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HI all..
wow great place to chill and share stories..
well I have been in seoul for 2 years, and have had a few experiences...
don't have much to say now, but hi and look forward to sharing my stories with you all later..
peace..
Seoul Nights
Here is the follow up to my other post (in the archive now) I am working on a chart and review of all the Red light establishments in Itaewon, Songtan, and the surrounding areas which I will post when completed. Any comments are appreciated although I will not put specific names of girls in the chart just an overview of services offered prices and I don't need vivid descriptions just the basic facts, cost, service, rip offs, ect........hopefully this will help everyone around.
I have been to Miari and Yongsan Station several times and have had various experiences in each one. One thing is pretty much the same in all the establishments the very hot women do not like foreigners, they cater to the Korean males only. And while this is a setback it is by no means an end to the fun. I prefer a girl who is a little on the chunky side (for a Korean) they seem to give much better service and are a lot more fun in my experiences. The best luck is right in the back alley, and if you go in the afternoon there is a few English speaking girls that will take care of you in the B alley way.
Log Cabin Club: Well they have a few old women there that will do what ever it takes it get your business. Not my style and this is second hand knowledge so take it for what it is worth. The word is that the cost is around 100,000 won and they do it right in the club. It¡¯s open early so I guess they get a lot of the early birds.
Itaewon Barber shop across from McDonalds: This barber shop is set up for Quick hand jobs the girls that I had were all pretty and young and provided a terrible massage but a first rate HJ. Cost was about 80,000 won, a little high but tolerable for the service.
Yongsan station Barbershop: At the corner of the Red-light area next to a movie theater, the girl that I had was real fat but what a massage and a BBJ, there was a lot of customers and a lot of girls, but that day and I had little choice. It was only 50,000 won and it was worth it.
Itaewon Gulliver/007 Club: This club is located just past the gas station in Itaewon it has mainly Russian Dancers although last year there were some Korean girls there (possibly Russian Korean). There is a 10,000 cover charge to get in and the girls are pretty snobby to non-Asians (I think that the place is set up to service Japanese or Korean businessmen). It was expensive but the women are very hot, I have never had much luck in here although it looks possible, but it would take a group to work the deal, not a place for a loner.
More to follow¡¦¡¦
Hmmmm.......here is my contact info
itaewon_cavalier@yahoo.com
"Remember; no matter where you go, there you are." Buckaroo Banzai
I have not seen many reviews or even mention
of the Yonsan Red LIght district on this forum. I found myself
at the Yongsan subway station by mistake the other night.(got of at the wrong stop) and decided to look for it. Certainly nit as big
as Miari or 588 but a good number of shops with some hot women. I had no luck with the hottest ones at 588it was the same here. Ther diference is that at 588 only a few very ugly
ones called out to me there. In Yongsan there were several hot
babes who were happy to have me. They were not the 9/10 girls on the A row but some were definately 8's. The one I chose was very friendly and very hot and could have been an A row in my book. She was alot of fun and chargd me 70,000W. There were many others most were charging 70-80,000W . Definately a worth while stop and more hotties willing to do a foreigner than
at 588. The girl I had was a little more than you pay at Miari (usually 60,000W but she was hotter than most too.
Anyone else with experiences in this district?
hi guys..
emmm Yongsan yes have been there, I went with a korean friend of my so I thought the odds would be in my favor to get laid..
denied!..funny thing was, that kept calling my friend but told him only you not your friend, my korean friend said forget it...
the hot hot girls with the fake tits towards the end of the street, ahahhaa this retarded guy was walking down they were calling him in OPPA OPPA!! but me 27 years old good shape and good looking..NAAAA!!! no foreigner ahahha wow never been to a country with picky *****s....ohhh well...
588 yes been up there twice, first time no luck, well considering the fact I will only do a pretty hot girl..so we left and went to Miari no problem there that time.second time was no because there was 6 of us and we were drunk.ahaahaha
second time to 588 most of the main street girls didnt give me any sign, but this one girl off the main street and she was fucking HOT!! said come in I will take care of you!...
also went to Songnam, a bit bigger than yongsan more theme there though, and no luck either that time..BUT keeping mind I was never looking for sex no times I went..except the time I went to 588, then miari, basically I get laid in Itaewon alot so don't venture out to hookers much, Would love to though, but don't really have the funds to blow, I have been doing research though for two years, just go there look around check it out, cruise off, ¤Ñbeen to many other places also, had a few BBBJ, HJ, diddling the HIll alot, central seoul, my korean friends take me out alot..
miari, 588, not really offen, after getting rejected, it's like fuck that
rather save up for Thailand where the worlds my oyster..
Go catch a tiger and fuck!
still love korea sex scene especially discovering it..
I will share other stories and encounters with Hookers in hotels later...
On Barber Shops:
I wouldn't waste your time with these. I've lived in Seoul awhile and they are really hit and miss.
I have been to quite a few and never had full sex and never even gotten a bj. I'm good looking clean-cut guy too, so I'm not some dirty slob.
The woman are almost always old, I have NEVER seen a girl under 30 working at these places and the appearance varies.. these places are always quite dimly lit so its hard to tell. They range between a 2 and a 7. The average being a 4-5, with tons of makeup. Alot of them are really slim though and have really soft, supple skin, so in the dark... but anyway.
Price is always 60-80. The service you get depends entirely on the girl. Even if you ask for "full service?" from the old lady at the front desk.. she will always say "yes" whether she understand what you mean or not.
Most times when I have been offered (by the girl) full sex or a bj, its always been the fake kind.. the secret hand-job. I can tell the difference (though they are really skillful). They will straddle you and lean forward, with one hand back, with tons of lotion. Bob up and down and make fake sounds. Its kinda insulting really.
The massages are USUALLY pretty decent.. so if you need to change the oil and relax for an hour, I would suggest them. If you just need to get your dick wet, then you're better off spending your 60-80 thousand on a ***** in the RLD's. Where you can get a half-decent looking chick and there is no question of full sex.
Cheers.
Re 588, are you sure all the chicks there are legit and not transvestites? The first place told me to wait in a room, then brought someone who looked 60 years old. I ran out. In the back alleys, I saw many who were really hot. But they seemed really tall for Koreans, and kinda masculine. I'm wondering if they are all real.
HI,
Just a short info for those who will spend some time on Itaewon...avoid to go to Ginger's bar because you can be stolen by one of the girl (be careful of the owner especially).
Be careful in Itaewon bars as there are quite a few tranvestites and gays working in bars! Itaewon is magnet for Korean, Japanese and other foreign gays to hang out. Many asian gays know they are flirting with another gay "girl" and it's acceptable way of going to "legit" bars to be with the "girls".
You say you can tell fags set to look like hot cuties? Well, guess again as buddy of mine thought he was getting lucky with a tall cuti in the bar. So he kept on going back and she would go down on him in the booth. He brought "her" to hotel and security at Hyatt stopped them as they entered and argument broke out between "her" and security. She grabbed my friend's arm and tried to walk away and one of gurard yelled "she is a man, not woman!". The the "*****" ran away. I guess this happened one other time with a foreign guest at the hotel.
So be careful!
Be careful everywhere. I was at 588 last night, and I'm pretty sure some of them chicks were men. They looked a little different. I've been living in San Franciso for the past 20 years, and it's still hard to tell. With all that makeup, they'll fool you until it's too late. I was with a buddy who had a man in TJ, and didn't find out until after.
Information request -
Likely going to have a limited stopover in Seoul en route to Bangkok this fall. The stopover duration, well desired as I hate long flights, is flexible. Are there any good places at or near the Airport where one can get some good service?
Any information is appreciated.
Thanks
Clix
Explored Songnam's red light district area early last nite. Like what I heard before, the girls are dressed in cheerleading uniforms and sailormoon type costumes. Quality of girls varies. There are some really fat ones and some pretty ones. Also, there are no ajumas that grab you like Mia-lee so you can look at the girls through the window hassle free. If you are a foreigner, I suggest you explore this area with a Korean buddy as there are some Korean gangstas roaming around. I actually saw one holding a gun but it appeared to be a pellet gun in my opinion.
Anyways, girls are asking about 50,000-60,000 Won for short session (30mins?). You can get here by subway. Take the number 8 line to Shin Heong station and then take exit 13 or 14 and once you exit the station, you go straight behind the buildings where there a narrow alley ways with pink fluorescent lights. Happy hunting!!!
Some helpful words.............
Sexy sec-shi
Good jo-a-yo
Yes ye/ne
It is very delicious aju mas-shisoyo
I like you nanun dangshin-uliyo a hamnida
How much is this igo olmayo
How much olmayo
I love you saranghe
You are beautiful tangshin-un arumdapgunyo
Girl friend yoga chingu
Boyfriend namja chingu
Lets go kapshida / kaja
I understand ar-a-so
I don¡¯t understand mulayo
You are pretty cham yeh-poyo
Come here Eereeo-ship-shi-yo
Angel chun-sa
Not yet ajik amnida
Come see me nollo oshipshio
She is pretty ku yoganun yeppumnida
Because I have no money toni opsosoyo
In Korea you will find a veritable smorgasbord of nubile and willing women who are interested offering themselves to you. I will try and break the sections down that I am aware of and provide insight, advice and recommendations.
Iteawon basic rules- this is the realm of the us soldier, as you walk up the so called hooker hill you will see numerous women who will call and become you to enter their establishments. These places are usually small and cramped with little room. The drinks are about 3$ but the catch is you have to by a woman a drink for about 10$. After you have purchased a drink for the woman she will start to fondle you getting you more and more aroused, she will then ask you to buy her another drink. This will continue until you run out of money of you decide to move the negotiations further along. NOTE: If you want sex, ask up front. It will save you money in the long run. For straight sex it runs about 80 to 300 dollars depending on the girl and the day. You get better rates during the weekdays when the military personnel are busy. Most of the time the sex is straight missionary, but sometime you can find a woman who gets into her work. Most of the time the girl will take you to a room or have you meet her at her apartment that is located close by. The routine is usually a short condomless blowjob and then a condom missionary fuck. If you go to long you will hear the words ¡°palli, palli¡± or hurry up. All in all it is fun for the experience but there are better places to go for ass than the hill.
Club review
Polly's Kettle/Polly's Kettle 2: a regular bar you can just sit in. No overt prostitution yet, it has just been remodeled and may change around a bit.
The Stable (Fish Alley): look for Julie, she is beautiful and very popular. She is also quite expensive
Indian Joes: this is a sex club pure and simple. There is a bedroom in the club and it is available for use. The women are older but they are more into the sex.
First Class(Fish Alley) club: it is a downstairs club that offers a nice atmosphere and ok women, not much of a selection
Townhouse: Various girls all can be had for a price. It is small and cramped but the girls are usually friendly
The Royal Club/Resturant: This club is ok, but the girls are real pro¡¯s they will fuck in the club at the table if it is slow. Be warned they drink like fish and it can be very expensive in here.
Dragon Club: A rip off, never had anything but the runaround here. Although the girls are hot. I belive that they do not offer sex here, unless you are willing to fork over alot of money.
Cheers: Boring....... but it has cute girls
Tiger Tavern: this Club has some hot ladies but they are very good at getting your money they follow standard itaewon procedure.
Texas Club: Watch out for these grils they will drain the money from you and promise the world.....don't fall for it.
Capital club: Very boring.......ugly girls
Rocky Top Club: The girls are average looking and but he upstairs is nice. Same rules on money appy, the girls will get it from you if they can, bu are not that pushy
Bridge Club: A couple good prospects in here, they will go the extra mile, just be up front with them and make sure that you are specific.....remember if it seems to good to be true.....it is.
Boston Club: they have access to a room close and discreet, they girls are not bad and will also go the extra mile.
Best Club: Not bad overall, depends on the night. Nothing to special about this one.
The Russian Rio: located next to the 711 at the bottom of the hill. Although this club is not a hooker bar with over prostitution, in fact it is more like an American bar in the states. I have included it in the list since it has a hidden treasure. The Russian *****s that work in Korea tend to hang out in this club on Friday and Saturday night. They are usually not working and tend to be expensive if they are (they cater to rich Koreans and Japanese) but they will go home with you for free at times. The best time for action is late Saturday night/Sunday morning.
Which clubs/bars in Itaewon have the transvestites?
There is a club on the right side of the hill if you are walking up.
It is less than half way and I believe it is called Venus. I believe
the "girls" here are transsexuals. Anyone corrrect me if I'm
wrong or name any others you know of.
Hi guys~
I'm glad to be back to new WSG Forum....
I will give you some tips about Seoul night life.
Firstly there aren't any transexual in red light district as far as
I concern. Some of them may do plastic surgery but don't change
their sex.
But you may find some of them at Itaewon bars~
Most of red light district have most beautiful ones unfortunetly you
have to be with Korean friend to make more chances to picked by
girl. Last time I took 7 American guys to one of place and hardly negotiate with owner and girls. All of us were happy~~
Most of them will hesitate to except western guy. Because of
language as well as no exprience.
There are so many different type of establishment in Seoul.
1. Red light district - there are 5-6 famous places in Seoul or nearby. I recomend go there with Korean friend and make them to
remember your face for next time. Then you can go alone.
Price 60,000 won = around U$ 50
2. Turky bath - Also dozens of places spread out in Seoul. Girl will wash you naked , massage , tongue bath (toe to head) , and after that settle for sex.
Price 150,000 won = around U$ 125
3. Massage parlor - Also countless places in Seoul. blind person gives you normal massage for 30-40 min and then girl will came to your room if you don't like style ask them to send other girl.
Price 80,000 won = around U$65~70
4. barber shop - Thousands of places in Seoul but only few places
offer bath + tongue bath + sex. Pretty similar as Turkish bath but cheaper.
Price 80,000 won = around U$65~70
5. Karaoke - plenty of places. Have to speak Koean otherwise no fun. Unless some special place where you pay for drink + sex deal place or drink + all people naked and play place. only few in seoul.
Start from 100,000 to 300,000 sex + dozen of beer + fruit + songs + all girls will naked as they come in (introduction we call)
6. Room salon - similar as Karaoke. Same as karaoke. Most expensive but girls are smart ( plenty of uni students)
7. Some motel girl - few places in Seoul (like western brothel style) Go in then you are lead to room. Madam or shop owner will
ask you what type of girl you after. you take a shower and wait few minutes girl will come to room. Start with tongue bath and heaps of oral follow by sex. Very nice room and girls. Also have porno channel.
Price 60,000 won = U$50
In Pusan there are exactly same options as Seoul.
Wherever you go I strongly suggest go with some Korean who has negotiate skills~~
If any one have any questions send me a mail to
[email]deok0402@hotmail.com[/email]
I will be either Pusan or Seoul area.
I will connect you Korean guide for little cost if you need.
Love the color on the sex scene in Korea. I'm going to be in Korea next week to see a couple World Cup games. Good to see the prices haven't changed since last year. I was afraid that some places would raise the prices because of the World Cup. That still is not the case right? Is Chong Yang Yi (588) still the place to be or are there new hot spots in Seoul? Are you guys seeing a lot of foreigners flooding these places due to the games? Post back up here or you can always email me at ampm1200@hotmail.com I am a frequent poster on the Los Angeles forum.
Rdk ? Are you around?
Please tried to e-mail you, if you didn't get it please contact me at liondale@operamail.com
I am going to Seoul late next week. I am Korean but have never lived in Korea so I don't speak Korean. Does anyone have any tips for me or anyone who would care to join/guide me in exploring the "night-life" one evening? Please e-mail me...
- L -
Guys,
If you want to get only the service and not the massage at Capital Hotel Sport Massage, just say it to the Mama San or to the girl. Tell clearly : I want a gooood massage! Please make me feel good.
You will see the difference. First they won't bother with the regular massage. Second, the whole time will be spent only on your pleasure (about 45 mn). And if you don't like the girl, say it. Either ask the mama san for her best looking girl or send back the one you don't like.
At least it worked with me the 3 last time I went there (within the last 4 weeks).
Don't forget to offer a tip (and to give it afterwards). You'll see that the girl becomes much more enthousiastic. OK tip is 30,000 Won. Don't give more.
Best time to be there according to me = between 23h00 and 1h00.
If anybody knows other places of the same kind not too far from Itaewon, please let me know. And let's go together
If anybody in search of sharing a room salon (a good one), let me know as well.
Hey Wolf!
I could be interesting in sharing a room salon. Could you mail me please: liondale@operamail.com
Do you know what prices to expect? How it works etc...?
Anyone else interested may also mail.
BTW; If you happen to have or know where to get tickets for any of the world cup games you are more than welcome to contact me too :)
For the World Cup ticket, if you want to see the game France-Danemark in Incheon, go to the Novotel Hotel in Kangnam and ask for the officials from FFF. They sell the remaining tickets at discount prices (about 20% off face price).
As for the room salon, I have several ideas that I shall share with you soon.
In the meantime, if you know any place worth to try, let me know.
Hey Wolf and thanks for the tips of World Cup tickets. Unfortunately I won't be in Korea before Wednesday, but I assume they may still use Novotel as a base...
Here are some room salons another user tipped me about:
New York, New York...
it is in the Kangnam area...ask one of the locals where Chili's
Restaurant
is..there is only one in Kangnam...New York New York is lcoated
across the
street from Chili's Restaurant. Prices are rather steep I think, if two guys go together I was told to expect 400 - 450$ per person (guess this is USD). I was also told that at least one should be native korean - are you? I am korean but don't speak korean :)
Ok, that is what I know, please e-mail me so we can discuss closer.
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Hey Seoulmate,
I e-mailed you at your specail hotmail account for getting together and checking out the scene in Seoul, but never got a reply from you.
For you guys that have been here since summer of 2000 till now: What in the hell has happened to the scence in Itaewon. That place used to be packed with local Korean girls looking to go home with Americans. My favorite spot was King Club. I go there now and its a barely half full on a weekend. Polly's Kettle House One and Two are remodeled and dead too. Has 9/11 and the curfew there drove away the girls? Is there any way around the curfew?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by KoreaKlint
[i]Hey Seoulmate,
I e-mailed you at your specail hotmail account for getting together and checking out the scene in Seoul, but never got a reply from you.
[/i][/QUOTE]
Please send it again as I have replied to every email
I have received!
to koreaclint;
Yeah I noticed that too. It not like the good old MASH days anymore in Korea. I guess it's because they are an industrialized nation now. I heard that the GDP per capita is now pretty much at par with that of Western Europe. It was really easy to pick up women back in the good old days when Korea was actually poor. There are still women who are attracted to white guys hanging at the bars, but only for sexual reasons. Korean girls going after Americans for money days are now over.
Fucked 2 korean gals in 2 diff locations in my recent trip to Seoul
First, directions:
1. Miari:
Stn No. 417, Gireum (on the Line 4:Light Blue)
Exit No. 10, entrance partly covered on your right
2. Yongjookul:
Stn Bulgwang (Stn 322 on line 3:orange or Stn 612 on line 6:brown -- it's an interchange)
Exit No. 5, walk about 10mins to the Shibu Bus Station, take bus #30 (1900won, 1 hour) tell driver to drop u at Yongjookul which is a market,
Then find the bridge that would take u across to 'Adult-Disneyland'
Secondly the differences:
1. Miari
It's the 'mummy' (old ladies) that would literally try to pull your arms off in order to get you inside to select their gals.
Once inside u choose yr gal as they each try in their own way to catch yr attention.
Open basically frm 8pm to 7am.
2. Yongjookul
The gals themselves do the hard work of running after u!!! They would literally storm out of their glass fronted rooms, if they catch u, they don't easily let go.
I just say, "ihe mote" -don't understand, or say that in English!
Open: 24hours I think, with outlets taking turn in their opening times!
The chosen gal:
1.Miari(70,000won, 30mins)
22yr old, A-jin (looks: 9/10)(h/p:011-750-9663)
Dress in a 2-piece attire, navel-bearing like those for belly dancers. Doesn't speak a word of English. Luckily I brought my "Making out in Korean by Peter Constantine" book. I couldn't understand her when she something with 'condom'was mentioned. Guess she must be asking whether I wanna do with condom or not. I think I said 'yes' so she went to get a condom from outside, and also some wet-tissues. Guess most customer do without condoms there.No showering, just a wipe here and there! At the same time, with the book I was able to compliment her on her looks, & that broke the ice. BJ w/o condom but still no frenching. So with book again, I asked, 'May I kiss you, u have such beautiful lips!' in Korean. Guess what, it worked!!! He He He!After that nothing was business-like anymore but she was intridgued by the book I had, as she took it from me several times, with such innocence it was really endearing!!! As I was leaving, told her, "I would never forget you"- I really meant it!
2.Yongjookul(60,000Won, 45mins)
18yr old, Kim Min Ji (looks 8/10)(H/p: 017-801-4602)
Chose her cos while other gals try too hard to pull you in, she just used her big, expressive eyes to 'pull' me in! I was hooked as she led me into her room by the arms!
Showered together, and then on the bed, after a trance-inducing BBBJ, she put me inside her, BARE!!! I was too weak to resist!!! In the trance-like sex,while frenching her deeply, I finally cum inside her.
"Would u marry me? I asked her with the help of the book again. That cracked her up! He He He!
Thanks, goes to the book again! I do sound like the book's promoter huh?
All in all, I would visit these 2 gals again if I had the chance. So hopefully with these info, you guys would find your own adventure in Korea.
I found Miari Texas by info in this thread, but wish to add. Returning from Asia on KAL, I have a 10 hr layover. I took a bus from Incheon to Gimpo airport, about 45-60 min ride. About 4,000 won. At gimpo, took the subway to Gireum station after transferring once. You go to the cashier window, tell them your stop (Gireum), they will tell you how much and give you the ticket to stick in the machine. It spits it back out at you to take. The subway is very cheap, clean, safe, took about 1 hr 30 min.? 700won? Head directly north to the exit straight ahead at the end, do not take the left, as you will be across the street. A pocket compass always helps. Take the stairs to street level, there will be a green vinyl type curtain cover on your right about 30 feet ahead. It hangs down about to your chest. You made it. If you pass this entrance, there are about 2 or 3 more straight ahead on the same sidewalk. I strolled in about 1230 pm and it was deserted except people hosing the street down and then I was approached by a couple of aggressive mamasans. One dug her nails in my forearm and so I grabbed her the same way. She yelped, and then understood my non verbal message. I kept walking and only saw about 10 girls, chatting and eating. 2 were 9's the rest 5-8. So there is definitely afternoon pussy to be had, in the few open doored shops. The sign on many glass windows has 70,000 and 80,000 on them. I assumed this to be the price in won. Too jet lagged to get laid, and coming from asia with its cheap girls, and turned off by the aggressive mama's, I enjoy lunch at the Hyundai dept store food court. about 4 blocks up the same sidewalk, but across the street. Cheap and hearty and good. KAL sucks, they allowed some asshole to break into my luggage and steal camera and cash. Please learn from my mistake. Lesson: do not fly korean, do not keep valuables in your baggage. Pleasant travels... Bil
I will stay at Seoul from 24th to 27th June. I am looking for high quality girls. Can anyone help? Any information like escort service/call girls/room salon/hotel turkish bath? Please post your reply here or e-mail to me at hk169@hotmail.com. Thanks.
Dear friends
I'm new i will be in seoul for 2 or 3 days in the start of july.
I would have some suggestion for a quick service (hand or blow) after sauna or massage.
I will stay at the sheraton is there any sauna god near there?
the hotel massage have this option?
Thank you in advance.
Bil,
Good directions......keep us informed of your progress and such. I agree about KAL.....even if I got a free ticket I wouldn't take the chance on them.....hmmmmm or would I? haha. Happy trails!
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That's right Yongjookul is one of good places to visit in Seoul area.
Compare to 588 Yongjookul girls are similar but places much neat
and clean. Also you can take a shower before and after action.
There are other red-light district around Sung-nam area near the
subway station. Also shinkildong area as well.
Good hunting~~!
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The best Karaoke bars in Seoul area is near Namdae moon.
There are number of bars around that area.
Tell you how these places works~~
Firstly you go in and oder beer or whisky, then madam will
come in with number of girls. You decide which one to be
your partner and let her know.
From then you will have crazy party in private room.
All people have to be naked in that room. girls and guys~~~
lots of touching.... playing each other..... drink..... sing a song...
etc. no sex (but if you want sex you have to take the girl out...)
Most of them are 8-10 good looking girl.
For me that was rare & exciting exprience.... all my friends and partners naked and play together.... haha~~
I will put some more review stories pretty soon until then bye guys~~
analkiss, as I live in Seoul I would be curious to know if by "karaoke bars" you are referring to the room salons in Bukchang-dong. I have found those to be great fun but VERY expensive (W400,000 or so for a blowjob). You described the karaoke bars as W100,000 to W300,000 including sex.
Point the way!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by analkiss
[i]<Review 2>
The best Karaoke bars in Seoul area is near Namdae moon.
There are number of bars around that area.
[/i][/QUOTE]
hey guys..
you guys who went to yongjookul, are you guys Korean American, or Asian decent??
Because never had heard of hookers calling foreigners into there shops, usually they just ignore you!..
and call OPPA OPPA!!!!
please let me know about this guys..
and also foreigner guys have you guys been rejected before?
NO FOREIGNERS!!!..I have been to most sex districts, and they are not friendly towards us...and many of my friends have been rejected too...we are young and goodlooking, they just don't like foreigners I guess...
Hi,
I went to check out Yougjookul the other night.
I' m caucasion, older, heavy but polite and well dressed.
There were lots of attractive girls around and the area was not busy. However I was refused or ignored at every room even tho' I was fairly persistant.
I'm not sure if this was related to my age, weight or race. Anyway, make what you will of this post. It may save you a trip to an area that except for the red light district has little of interest to offer.
On the other hand the girls were very attractive so you might want to take a chance. Just make sure you have time to get the last bus back to Seoul or you'll spend a boring night in this scruffy
little town
man that sucks
About the red-light districts and foreigners.
Many koreans, hookers included, are under the impression that foreigners are full of diseases. There is common propanganda that all foreigners carry some type of STD.
This is why many of them refuse or ignore you.
The only way around it is a) learn a few phrases in Korean to be able to say "I am clean, don't have STD and will use a condom" or b) go with a Korean.
The alternatives are a) the "call girl cards" or b) Itaewon.
Your options for the call girl cards are this, Seoul and most korean cities have many places called "Love Hotels" these are cheap hotels basically used for sex. If you give a card to the concierge he will call for you... problem is you will pay more.. The Room + Girl + whatever the concierge takes off the top. Best way is to ask him "Ol Mah Yo?" and get him to write down the answer. It will be the price in won.
For Itaewon, as you know there are tons of juicy girls. One club has some girls that are 8-10's. Its called Paradise its at the very top of the hill then round the corner. Walk up the hill, there is a regular bar called "Stompers" on the left.. go a little past it then turn right. Paradise is there. Its small, but, the girls are real girls, most are hot and you can negotiate them down. And its all about the sex in there. They speak enough english too. Just tell them what you want and they won't fuck around with the buying drink shit. Some might refuse full sex, but you can get a bareback bj for 50,000 and she'll let you cum in her mouth. Just remember to negotiate they will ALWAYS try to high ball you. If they ask for a drink they'll start at 20.. say no and they'll offer 10. They'll start at like 80,000 for a bj and you can get them down to 50,000. Just remember for them, some money is better than NO money. Full sex will run you about 100-120. But these girls are mostly hot.
And for a C) Yongsan girls will fuck most foreigners. The A row chicks won't.. but the B row will and there are some 8-9's there. Just don't bareback them because they fuck mostly GI's. And its only 60-70 thousand.
Oh as a final aside.. if you are half-way good-looking, you can pick up regular girls at regular bars in Itaewon. Many speak english and are looking for foreign boyfriends and/or sex. Just don't be shy, march up to them and start talking. You'll be amazed at how easy it is. Its more work, as in, you may have to go 2-3 dates before you get any.. but its free (technically).
And by half-way decent looking, I mean just that.. many Korean girls are attracted only to status and/or anything that isn't a Korean man. Having fair hair and blue eyes helps. I can't count how many times I've been asked in a dark bar "You have blue eyes right?" Koreans are obsessed with western eyes.. they hate their eyes. If you don't believe me, walk around Seoul and look around, you'll see innumerable HOT korean girls with the dopiest looking white guys... white guys who would NEVER get a chick that hot where they are from.
Happy hunting. Any questions and I'll post a response.
Ok guys, here some Seoul/Korea info for those of you with higher standards.
[url]www.geocities.com/songtan_son/seoul[/url]
Any additional info/suggestions welcome.
Sorry about the many typos but this was just a lunchtime-and-I-was-bored thing.
PS. HUI & Crew - if you read this, this one's for you! See you in HK soon.
Your friend,
M. (YM)
Helper
if you wanna be a PIMP then put some REAL pictures of Korean *****s on your web pages. If you gonna do it then DO IT RIGHT DUDE, not a half ass shit!
I heard from my friend there are some place near Kang Nam
Karaoke bars offering strip-show, drink, finally sex less than 150000 won. Hot news....
I may find out from my friend and try there myself first....
Also Bukchang-dong defends on your discount skill and if you
are regular it will be much cheaper.
In Pusan there are few dozens of Karaoke bars do all for
only 110000 won.
[¤¸QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulSurvivor
[i]analkiss, as I live in Seoul I would be curious to know if by "karaoke bars" you are referring to the room salons in Bukchang-dong. I have found those to be great fun but VERY expensive (W400,000 or so for a blowjob). You described the karaoke bars as W100,000 to W300,000 including sex.
Point the way!
[/i][/QUOTE]
Review3
Last night I went out to check the quality of girls at brothel around Seoul Yongsan station, cheongranglee 588, Yongjookul,
and nearby Yongjookul(4-5 kms away from Yongjookul).
I found Cheongranglee 588 has most beautiful girls.....
I was bit disappointed by Yongjookul 2AM. Place was so busy .
I beautiful ones aleady taken I guess. Few 6-7s around they
were so depressed didn't strongly call us in behave themselves toward.....
Normally they were so aggressive to spoil us to come in.
Also Bubwonlee 22 were pretty similar as Yongjookul.
If you guys go there I advise to go earlier. Otherwise you will
end up with some girl doesn't have attitude and not that beautiful.
Yong san was OK some good ones at main road.
I had good looking absolutely 9-10s ones at Cheongranglee 588.
Goog hunting~~~
Some more tips about Love hotel where provide girl.
There are few nearby Nam dae moon market.
One sex with great sucking only cost 55,000 won if you go
bit late around 2-3 AM there are special price 90,000 won for
two sex(different girl) and sleep until next day. What are great
price. Some girls really good but mostly 6-8s....
They have good sucking skills toe to head specially they put tounge in your ass ~~~ haha~~
I have to say good bye to everyone... I off to Sydney on tuesday~~~
Enjoy while you guys stay in Korea....
I hope my post may help you guys~~
I also have great info about Pusan area..... Because I born &
grow up this city..... I should say I'm master that city as well....
analkiss,
If you find the 150,000 won places in Kangnam, please advise. I like the strip-show and the drink, but also like the idea of fucking the girls in the room. That would be a great find.
Also, if you can point out some good places in Pusan, sometimes I do get down there too.
Although I speak Korean pretty well, there is nothing like a native to steer the way.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by analkiss
[i]I heard from my friend there are some place near Kang Nam
Karaoke bars offering strip-show, drink, finally sex less than 150000 won. Hot news....
I may find out from my friend and try there myself first....
Also Bukchang-dong defends on your discount skill and if you
are regular it will be much cheaper.
In Pusan there are few dozens of Karaoke bars do all for
only 110000 won.
[/i][/QUOTE]
To lighter9000:
I agree with you on the most part, but I have to admit that you have to be pretty good-looking to get Korean chicks the way you have mentioned. Walking around Seoul, I have seen some really good-looking white guys with some really ugly-ass korean girls. It seems that the hotter Korean girls are more repelled by the foreigners. I have to however, point out some cultural differences. From my experiences living in Korea for over 10 years, I have pretty much learned that Korean girls prefer clean, shaven, skinny guys that are somewhat femine for western standards. If you look like Brad Pitt or Mel Gibson, you are out of luck, but if you look like leonardo Dicaprio, or members of some boy band, you could be very successful with the Korean ladies. In other words, it not too great to be macho in Korea. Some of the successful Korean guys that are favorable to the Koreans are indeed feminea and even pretty and these are the faggots that hogg all the Korean beauties. We might not think that these guys are attractive based on our cultural background that idealizes the attractiveness of guys on machoness, but it sure is different here, so might have this on the back of you head before any attempts at reeling in a Korean babe.
A wise word for everybody, I always got refused for sex when I told them I was an American, but after I told them I was from holland, I had never been refused. They really love the dutch after thier soccer coach Hiddink.
Hey Fellas,
I was in Itaewon friday night so here is my report.
I just went to one of the regular bars I mentioned in my previous post with some friends. Unfortunately, things weren't working out, as there weren't enough girls around and/or approachable girls (you know what I mean, a girl sitting with 4 friends is alot harder to pull than a girl standing alone). Anyone, only one of us picked up (whereas last week all of us picked up, just number exchange though, a few kisses, no sex).
You may or may not know that most nightclubs/bars stay open real late, like till 6-7am. Anyhow, we left around 4am and went our seperate ways. As I was rather pissed off at not getting any decent opportunities to pick-up I headed around the corner to hooker-hill.
Now the interesting part, I've been up and down "The Hill" at numerous times of day and night and usually the selection is pretty crap (see my previous post). From around 10pm-2am you see the standard ghouls trying to beckon you into their little juice bars.. these are the ghouls in the mini-skirts and tube tops with the fat guts and caked on makeup... at 4am none of these creatures were to be seen. Many of juice bars were closed, the street (second half of the hill) was empty of, except for a few passerby's but most of the doorways were filled with girls.. 3-4 per door of the places that were open. Now, for some reason most of these girls were REALLY REALLY hot.. I'm talking 8-10's here. So I walked up the hill, I was planning on going to Paradise and when I rounded the corner all was dark.. the three-four juice bars there were closed so I turned around and started the slow stroll back. Several girls were giving me the eye but didn't say anything.. then I walk by "The Rose" and this very petite extremely cute girl asks me to come talk (as usual). So I walk over and she brings me inside.. and immediately is extremely affectionate and warm.. asks for a 20k drink which I refuse... I decided to get right to the point and asked "what will you do for me?" and then she asked If I wanted to go to her place. I asked her "how much?" and she said 120. Anyway, I got her down to 100,000 but she said I needed to buy a drink or the mamasan would get pissed, so really 110,000. So I pay and she tells me to wait around the corner.. so I do.. she appears and takes me to her place which is no more than 2 minutes away. Oh I forgot to mention she said the 100,000 was for 40 minutes or we could go the rest of the night for 300... I took the first option.
Anyhow, the 110,000 was extremely well spent because she was extremely affectionate and relaxed, not rushed. She iniated kissing with me which was a major bonus. This girl was about a 8-9 btw... gorgeous face with a slender but not bony frame. She did everything... even let me eat her out for about 15 minutes.. which is something I really dig. She was mostly shaven too. Condom was mandatory however. (again, I think this stems from the "foreigners have aids" thing.) When finished she got a towel and cleaned me off, helped me get dressed then gave me a kiss goodnight. Definately thinking of making a repeat trip.
So, for whatever reason, late late night in Itaewon seems to bring out some of the hotter chicks.. it may be because they don't want to fuck GI's, since the GI's have a 1am curfew or some other reason. It may have just been an anomaly... but I'll try it again next friday or the one after and see what the story is.
Cheers.
lighter9000
good field report! thanks for taking the effort to share with the board. happy hoing and take care!
AMPGuest
well I see now why Analkiss gets laid so much!!
he is korean!!!!!
you see it's much easier for koreans to laid here..acually the korean *****s will shagg a retarded korean grandfather..over us!
Analkiss, in the future could you please post places that accept foreigners!!!
thank you!!!
seoulman,
They would rather shag a retarded Korean grandfather than you... not me. I don't have much trouble getting accepted wherever it is -- from Chongyang-ni 588 to the best room salons. It's a very rare thing to be refused.
I think there's something else going on. I'm young(ish), neatly groomed and dressed, and I speak Korean with a smile. Do you speak Korean? That would help a bunch.
It's not fair to say that Korean *****s are anti-foreigner. They are just not as willing to throw a foreigner a break. There's a difference.
Seoulman.....
I've born here but spent most of my time out-side....
But I can speak perfect Korean.....
As I said there are plenty of places to explore in Korea....
After World cup match lots of places open to foreigners, but
most of them still afraid of taking foreigners.
I recomend you should go with Korean friend to sort that trouble
out for you. Last time I took 6 Americans to one of brothel,
we had no serious problems that time except one girl refuse to
take his partner after saw his cock~~ haha~~
I'm not so sure about the places where accept foreigners.
Sorry for not much help for you guys~~
If I take foreigners as my friend to any places it will be out of
worries.... So firstly make Korean male friend, most of them
likes that kind of play as far as I concern....
hey seoulsurvivor!how are you?
do you even get laid with the glamour beauties at 588, and shinyoungsan??
I mean the A row girls!!?
I am young goodlooking, speak alittle korean!! but the girls I usually want don't look at me... some times they say come in!! well I have only been to these places once or twice..I usually get laid everyweekend in Itaewon or Hongdae!
I don't have problem getting girls..
but I like to shagged hookers...
something about paying for it, and they will do what I say!...
sometimes me and my friend will cruise down for eye shopping, and the girls don''t say shit to us!!,,the ugly ones say hey hey come here,,NO THANKS!!!!
maybe I am not be aggressive!!
what do you do?..do you just walk up to the girl you like and say hi???
whats your aproach?..have you been refused before???
would liek hear about your experiences
cheers mate...
At 588 yes -- have rarely had a problem getting the ones I want, but maybe I like the ones that aren't "glamour beauties." Certainly haven't been disappointed. I especially go for the tanning-booth beauties who've baked themselves all dark and crispy. That almost-black skin accented by neon-colored skintight pants and a thong panty... mm mm good.
At Shinyongsan, sometimes the "A row girls" are snooty. But that I attribute to the increased frequency of soldiers whose behaviour might not be so good. Anyway, if refused by a prostitute... so what? It's not like there aren't 1000 other girls right there.
I would like to know what is the best place to have a massage in a parlour room. I do not need to have a massage with a blind women, I just direct want to have a great agassi.What is the rate and how long it last.
I heard from the Capitol hotel but i do not think this is an attractive place. I do not want to be disappointed.
Please give me your advice and detail.
Hi guys
I'll be arriving in Seoul this Sunday and was wondering whether you guys could provide some details on where should I go for a relaxing massage and followed by some action. I'll be staying in the Renaissance hotel (don't have the street address with me, within the Kangnam-gu area, I think), is there any karaoke/room places where we meet girls, have some drinks and get stripped and then decide whether to bring them back (I think you know what I mean?)
As I'll be going to Itaewon to buy some gifts (to bring back home), do you have any recommendaitons for the afternoon or this place rocks only during the night?
Any comments is appreciated.
Drop me a line at songtan_son@yahoo.com and I'll try to help ya out.
Play3er,
I got your yahoo mail and I sent you a reply but I can't get into yahoo for some reason today. I'll be headed to Kangnam and maybe even Itaewon tonight, so give me a call.
Helper
www.geocities.com/songtan_son/seoul
Helper - Thanks for your mail. I am also having difficulties accessing my yahoo account. I'm afraid I can't call you as I didn't jot down your number (left it in the Inbox).
Anyway, I managed to get the free shuttle service to Itaewon and did some shopping/look see but not much activity as this is early evening we are talking about. Had a quick dinner at the Burger King (fancied some fast food) and then decided to follow my plan of visiting the sites mentioned in this board such as NamDaeMun market, Yongsan station area, MiaLee (Gireum station) and Songnam red light (near Sin Yeong station).
So, for my first day (on the advise of analkiss), took a sub to HoehYeon station (#425, line 4) and got off and exited to the NamDaeMun market. Quite a lot of stalls selling fake goods, clothing, food and seaweed :) Noticed that only locals around. Went searching for the 'love hotels' and found some in a stretch opposite Gate 5 of the market. Went to Hotels like Rex, Palace, New Korea, Evergreen and asked for service (in English) and got blank looks. After a hard time, gave up (guess you have to speak the language as analkiss does). Proceeded back to Itaewon and since it is dark now, able to look at more of the pubs and finally decided to have a drink at the UN club. Not much to look, probably still early and jet lag starting to kick in, decided to leave Itaewon and head back to hotel in Gangnam.
Will try to go to Yongsan tomorrow night to continue with my trail! Now going to go out for supper and check out the Gangnam area!
SeoulSurvivor - How can one get to 588? Is it possible by sub? Also, Sinyongsan, do you mean the Songnam (SinYeong station) area or is it some place new as I would also like to check out these places? Appreciate your reply.
588 is as simple as hopping a cab and saying Five Eight Eight -- or rather, in Korean: "Oh-Pall-Pall" (as if pall rhymed with "ball"). From your hotel the cab ride should be an extortionate W12,000-15,000 (about $12). Or you can take the subway or national rail to the Cheongnyangni station (Line 1 of the Seoul Subway). When you find the Lotte Department Store, you're golden.
Some of the 588 girls will cheekily ask for W100,000 -- US$80 -- but most of them will go for W70,000. I think even that price is a premium, as I expect drooling grandfathers may pay W60,000. C'est la vie.
Shinyongsan is just on the other side of the US Army post from Itaewon. You were _so_ close. It's on Line 4 (the Blue line), then head for Exit #2 if I recall correctly.
I myself would be interested in room salon drunken grab-ass, if you have time. That's about W300,000 - W500,000 per person, full-course.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by play3er
[i]SeoulSurvivor - How can one get to 588? Is it possible by sub? Also, Sinyongsan, do you mean the Songnam (SinYeong station) area or is it some place new as I would also like to check out these places? Appreciate your reply. [/i][/QUOTE]
Player:
Stop tips for Itaewon.
Don't go to the UN club, its a hole. If you want regular bars in Itaewon, I really only recommend two. Before Midnight, go to either Gecko's or Hollywood Grill.
Gecko's is right across the street from the Burger King, Hollywood is on the KFC side of street and a little to the east.
AFTER, midnight, if you want a regular bar go to the Hollywood Basement (Basement of the Hollywood Grill). The place is packed between about 12:30-5am, its all foreigners and korean girls. Generally, korean men are refused entry, so its just the foreigners and the korean girls.. oh, and a handful of seriously ugly white foreign chicks. These are regular girls though, but like I said, most of the ones that go there speak some english and are there to meet foreign men, plain and simple. As a side note, korean girls are generally attracted to money and success. So, if you tell them you're rich and have a successful career you will be all the more attractive to them.
Secondly, if you're looking the pay type action in Itaewon, you have to walk the hill. Hooker Hill. If you want to start at the very bottom, go to the Burger King, look across the street at Gecko's then head south. (In that direction there is an SK Telecom shop on the corner). Walk down the road and make your first left. That is the bottom of hooker hill. What you'll see first is alot of food stalls selling all variety of street-meat. Just keep walking straight.. you're in the midst of things now and will start seeing scantily clad girls and will hear the beckoning. Just avoid the ghouls and look for the hot ones. They do exist, trust me. See my other posts about dealing with the juice girls. In my experience, paying between 100-120 for them was much more worth the money than paying 60-70 for one of the street-side girls in Yongsan or Miari. Also, the Itaewon full-service girls (not all do full service, gotta ask, be upfront they don't care) are much less trafficked than the red-light girls. Itaewon girls do MAYBE 1 guy per night (full service) and they only work maybe 3 nights a week.. the red-light girls are heavily trafficked.
Cheers.
Could someone tell me the best place for a foreigner to go to get a massage from a "blind" person, followed by sugar from the honey? also, as i infrequently visit seoul, directions to aforesaid establishment will be appreciated. Assume that I will be starting from Itaewon subway.
Furthermore, directions from Itaewon to the Dynasty Hotel would also be helpful. :)
lighter9000 - Thanks for the tip. As I'll be planning a trip to either Yongsan/Songnam tonight to check it out, will let you know what I think of it.
Checked out the Gangnam area last night and mostly beer hofs (can't remember which one I went but certainly had a beer too many!) and some night clubs, 'clean' karaokes. Unable to speak the language certainly has limitations as I'm pretty sure they have the room salons there but just didn't know which establishment! Was approached by a pimp on the road and quoted prices like 150-200K for drinks and the girl to follow back to hotel.
Asked to see the girls and he said to follow him. So, followed him until reach an underground entrance and he ushered me into a room and then mamasan came in and started talking in Korean and some broken English! Asked to see the girls and she brought in 3 girls (6's), asked anymore and she said most girls with customers. Didn't quite believe that she had many more, so politely declined and quickly left the place. It was an experience as the entrance/exit was a big iron door! Imagined the door being locked and you can't get out! After that, whenever, approached by pimps, politely declined as (even though have the curiousity to check it out) thought of being locked up in a similar place was too frightening!
Also, saw many calling cards slipped by the parked cars along the alleys and collected some and made some calls from the hotel. Generally they charge 150K for 1 hour (according to the 'receptionist', the girls are aged 21 to 23 with big boobs). Was comtemplating but then I thought, why spend it on an hour if one can get it for 2 girls + whole night in Bangkok (my economic sense was prevailing).
However, that may change when I check out Songnam/Yongsan tonight but from lighter9000's advise, I may have better luck in Itaewon (which I intend to go tomorrow night again!).
Hi all-- Well, I just arrived in Seoul this evening, but did not have time to do any planning. I was just looking over the recent posts and hope to get out tomorrow night and check things out. I really need to pick up a map to sort out these directions though. If I knew where I was going, I would head out yet tonight.
I am staying near the city center (Westin Hotel) and if there is any further advise for someone staying in this area, please pass along.
Thanks in advance!!
Looking for suggestions for hotels in the mid price range in central Seoul. I have checked the WSG inputs but accommodations have not been addressed. Any help is appreciated for my mid-Sept 3 day visit.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ho man
[i]Could someone tell me the best place for a foreigner to go to get a massage from a "blind" person, followed by sugar from the honey? also, as i infrequently visit seoul, directions to aforesaid establishment will be appreciated. Assume that I will be starting from Itaewon subway.
Furthermore, directions from Itaewon to the Dynasty Hotel would also be helpful. :) [/i][/QUOTE]
I got massages in the room by blind lady several times at the Marriott Hotel.
2 sessions (about 90 minutes) cost you 75K with no extra $$$ for the final firework.
teazian
thanks for the info. is the marriott far from itaewon? also, when you say "in the room", does that mean you were staying at the marriott, or do you mean a "massage room"?
sorry for my seeming ignorance - but thanks in advance for your help.
Went to Yongsan/SinYongSan area last night and walked through the various 'mini rooms' of the girls with all the girls calling out to you. Price range from 40,000 to 60,000 (is this the normal price range?) Saw a couple of 8's but mostly 6s. After surveying the area, negotiated with one of the 8s (55,000) and escorted to a room behind. Came to a small room and immediately felt uncomfortable as there were a couple of guys squatting down near the rooms and they were speaking quite loudly to the girl, asking her questions (I presume).
Whatever appetite I had was gone when the girl started pointing at me while speaking to them. So, to avoid any untoward incident (on me, it could be me getting paranoid) I decided to make an excuse saying that I needed to buy cigarettes and quickly headed out of the door and got out of the area while sidestepping the various 'mamas' on the street trying to grab hold of you. One even followed me until I got on the taxi! It was certainly an experience!
Went back to Gangnam area to have a couple of beers and to relax myself. Managed to check out the music rooms and usually it is about 30 to 40K per hour (with a lady accompanying you in the room). While walking back to my hotel saw a few lookers coming out of this place called Iris and they sure looked like 10s to me and they dressed rather like executives! These are the chicks that I'm talking about! Went in there and the y were closing. Rats! Will try to check it out tonight!
ho man - Marriott is in downtown Seoul. You can either take a cab or subway. As for directions from Itaewon to Dynasty Hotel, here goes, Presuming there is no other Dynasty Hotel but the one opposite of Ritz-Carlton in Gangnam, then you would need to take a subway from Itaewon station (heading to Bonghwasan end) and change at Yaksu station to Line 3 (Orange) and go to Seoul National University of Edu. station (Suseo end). Change to Line 2 (Green) and the next stop is Gangnam station (#222). Once you reach the station, check out the map where Ritz Carlton is (Apologize as don't know the street name), and Dynasty is located opposite of it.
Forgive how uninformed I am coming here, but I have no local friends to guide me. Looks like I'm going to have a tough time... In looking at the posts here, it seems that if you are a foriegner and don't speak Korean (that's me), you are pretty limited on your options.
Tell me if I have things right here. In this situation, you basically can:
a) hit Iteawon and walk "the hill"
b) hit Iteawon and try Paradise
c) hit Chonyangni 588
d) hit Yongsan ("B row" of course)
Am I missing something?
Also, I'm interested in hitting a Turkish (Turkey) Bath, but saw no references here and didn't really know how to recognize one (yes, this is my first trip to Seoul).
Are there other option for foriengers who don't speak Korean?
Bugs:
a) and b) are the same. "Walking" the hill simply means walking up the hill and deciding which juice bar to go into. The girls usually stand in the doorway so you can get a look at them. They will either beckon you or smile etc. Paradise just happens to be one of the number of juice bars.
By juice bar, I mean this, you go in and the girl sits next to you. In all cases she will get real cosy with you, snuggle up, fondle you etc. You order a drink (regular price) and then she'll ask for one. She'll start at 20,000, just say no, the lowest they'll go generally is 10,000. Depending on the girl, some drink hard liquor neat, others different stuff, but always 10k. Never beer. Hard Liquor in a regular joint is usually 6000 anyhow. Now, you can either sit and drink and talk with this lady.. and she can suck more cash from you or you can move negotiations on further. In some cases I've never even bought a drink.. just sat down, negotiated and left. Not all the girls do full service. Ifs thats what you want, ask. Otherwise most will definately do HJ or BBBJ. Keep in mind the BBBJ is usually IN the bar (the seating is partitioned with high walls in all these places, most are small and cramped).
If you're after more than just company, make sure you ask before you buy her too many drinks. Some chicks are more than happy to just suck 10k girly drinks from you and do nothing. Others will offer to hand, suck, screw you. Depends on the lady. If you get full service, she'll take you to a place nearby, less than 5 min walk. I'm not positive, but there MIGHT be a barfine involved. Last time I got FS on HH I negotiated her down to 100k, but she said the mamasan needed a 20k "tax". BTW, these places also take credit-cards... a couple of time's I used mine because I was drunk after the regular bars and horny as hell and low on cash. Never had a problem with it.
As for redlight districts... you have many choices.. you have 588, Yongsan, Miari, Seongnam.
Turkey Bath is in the basement of the Dynasty Hotel I think.. never been.
Anyhow, you can find directions and reports to all the RLD's in Seoul on this board. Make sure you check the archives -- 2001-2002. Its all in there. You can get girls as a foreigner in any of the RLD's... just not the 10's. My honest opinion is to avoid them, yes they are the cheapest for sex (50-60-70) but these girls are heavily trafficked by mostly koreans and usually go bareback.
Player:
What "calling card" did you call where you were able to speak with an english "receptionist", I've never found one that spoke any amount of english.
Also, 40,000 is pretty low for Yongsan, are you especially handsome/young? Or were the girls offering 40 of lower quality? What day/time was it and was the area busy? I suppose it all comes down to supply and demand... slow nite = 40k better than nothing.
General Tip:
Any area around Itaewon Monday-Friday (this includes Yongsan) is better after 1am. Reason being is that the GI's have a 1am curfew, the MP's sweep the area looking for anyone breaking the curfew and snap them up. Generally most GI's obey the curfew, so after 1am you have the pick of the litter and the girls are generally more receptive to you. Because a) its slower and b) they know you're not a GI.
GI's have a fairly bad reputation in Korea for a variety of reasons. Most koreans hold a good deal of resentment. Most recently two korean schoolgirls were crushed to death by a US APC. So many girls ask where you are from... to get better service I'd suggest not saying you're American. English, Canadian, Dutch, Australian... they like.
So if the girl says: "MEE GOOK?"
Say: "AH NEE YO, KANADA SAH RAM"
It seems to help. They nearly always ask.
Hi guys
I'm out of the country. Now in Singapore. Thanks for the tips and sure had a good 'learning' experience. May be back in August and hope to have more time too!
Didn't do too much on last night as worked until quite late around 10PM (cos had to make sure everything was done, this was a business trip anyway :) !). Colleagues took me for dinner and then took me to buy some local Korean goods for souveniours. Amazing that the shopping mall opened 24 hours! By the time arrived back in hotel was about 1AM and by the time I packed all my stuff it was around 2:30AM. Didn't feel like going out again and since Iris was closed (also, just took my bath :) ) and I have to be up by 6AM to catch the airport limo bus, so reserve some cash for my Thailand trip! Till next time guys!
Lighter9000 - Your tips have been a great help! Much appreciated! The number is 019 837 5924. Questions that I asked were, how much for massage? How long? What does it include (Reply was Massage, BJ and FS)? Girl, how old? Want big breast and pretty, not pretty send back, ok? How long to come hotel? These questions pretty much get what I'm looking for. Of course there are other numbers if you want cos I collected some of these cards and thought of showing it to my buddies.
Adding a note to Lighter's comments, I walked the Hill once and wound up in a juice bar with all deaf girls. Very eager though.
Negotiated to bring one back to my hotel for the night after two beers (for myself). Paid for the two beers and the bar fine with credit card. Bill should have been $50. When the statement came, the charge recorded was $600.
Luckily, had the receipt as I was expensing it as dinner!
Careful where you use your credit cards.
lighter9000:
You are right on the mark when you talked about faking your nationality. We Americans have bad reputation here thanks to the retarded GIs. I hope that Koreans realize that we are not all like the GIs as most of us are refined and well-behaved. They should realized by now that these GIs are [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue] that no one, not even an average American would deal with. [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue] They claim they are here to protect the Koreans from the North based on some irrational ideology and they think they are heroes or patriots, well guess what, the real American patriots are out in Afghanistan and Koreans can defend themselves against an enemy that's 20 times poorer than them. Most of these GIs are unbelievably cocky even though they are [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue]. And as most of you know it is the [blue][Racial Expletive Deleted by Admin][/blue] people of society that makes a nation look bad as they send condescending attitudes toward people of other nationality. I see it as a pathetic defensive mechanism based on their own inferiority that they garnered when they were in the states. They need to be condescending to others just as others (most other Americans) had been condescending to them.
As a intelligent American that have been working in Korea for two years as a constrution engineer, I'm deeply ashamed for the American GI's behavior. When I was young, I had deep reveration for GIs, but it was different back then, we had normal, hard-working Americans volunteering to become GIs like Ted Williams, but now we have drug-addicts and high-schools drop outs. It seems that my Korean friends both males and females all have little or no respect for the GIs. They always talk about their rude behaviors and lack of intelligence. I heard that most of them can't even solve simple algebraic equations, and to them calculus is Einstein's theory of relativity. When a Korean girl asks me where I'm from I always tell them I'm Canadian or Dutch-their favorite.
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MAC
Do you have any pictures of places and girls you are talking about? Do you have a web page? TIA
lighter
Thanks for the many helpful hints. I ventured out on Wednesday night and have not had time until now to post about it. I went to Iteawon and walked the hill, quickly figuring out that there is only juicy bars there. I had though there might also be girls avaialble like in the RLD in Amsterdam.
So I got there about 1:15am and saw someone who was obviously a GI out after cerfew leaving the scene quickly. Pretty funny. I walked up the hill and took a look. Things were relativly quite and somewhat subdued. There was a group of US MPs near the top of the hill. On the way back down I stopped in to a girl I saw on the way up and found attractive. I'd say 7-8, but I like the slim ones, so higher in my book.
Went in and she immediately closed the door behind us. There was only two tables in the place, no partitions. Venus is the name I think. Mindy was the girl's name. Anyhow, bought a beer and went ahead and bought a drink for her. I sort of like letting them come to me a bit, even if I do drop 10k won.
Anyhow, she was nice a cuddly and asked about me. This is where things were a bit strange. Not keeping my head on (so to speak) I told her I was from the US and she had no problem with it. Probably since I was still dressed for work activities and am pretty clean cut. She obviously saw me as a rich sack to raid. When she discovered I work for a big US company and I was staying at the Westin Chosun while here, she started getting petty hungry.
So she was stroking me and then starts giving me a BBBJ. Not a bad start, I'm thinking.
So she asks if I want to make love to her. I was loking for exactly that and said yes. We started negotiating price and here is where the info about me came back to bite me. She asked 300k won. I wasn't going for that and started pulling it down. She was pretty insistent and wouldn't go below 200k, including a drink for her.
Counting the money I had with me, I found I only had 150k. I didn't bring any creadit cards with me (good thing). Anyhow, she says OK and we undress (the rest of the way since we were both about naked at this point anyhow). We are in the juice bar, but alone, so space is not a problem. Being 6"5", cramped spaces don't go well with me. So first thing she does is bend over for me to come in from behind. This surprised a bit based on other posts, but I certianly was not going to complain.
Anyhow, had a good run, but didn't last as long as I would have liked -- its been a while. She was enthusiastic, which works for me. In the end, she was definitely wanting me to visit again and offered to go on a date, presumably to spend the night with me at the hotel she is so impressed with. She gave me her number and repeated a number of time that I can't forget her and that I need to call her to have some fun. I just might stilll...
In the end, I blew 175k won (I think I missed another drink I bought her in along the way). Perhpas a bit expensive, but a good experiance for me.
This was definitely different than Amsterdam where is is much more impersonal and standard process -- suck a bit (with condom) then missionary fuck in most cases.
I'm tempted by the cheaper prices, but liked the juice bar style. Are the juice bars other than in Itaewon?
So that's the story. Can anyone tell me what I shoud expect if I call her and try to negotiate a night together? How much should I expct to pay, and how much is more than usual?
Thanks for all the great posts in this area!!!
Bugs:
Glad you find your way around alright and managed to have a good time. 175k isn't so bad. Its within the normal range of what the girls ask in Itaewon. (Anywhere between 100-300) and because you smelled of money she probably high-balled you. Anyway, I've never taken an Itaewon girls Long Term, so can't help you there. I'd imagine she'd want between 300-500 for all night or so. But did you like her enough to put up with her all night for a "date"? Personally I'd shop around.
As far as I know there are no other juice bars in the same vein as Itaewon in Seoul.
There are many Room Salons/Business Rooms that are similar but these are more expensive. Most Room Salons charge 500k-1mill and that doesn't necessarily include sex. Some Business Rooms only charge 40,000 for a girl to come and drink with you, but again, not sure on the procedure there for moving negotiations onward.
If you're willing to shop around, you can definately get 8's and 9's in Itaewon from between 120-150k, thats including drinks and barfines.
And like you said, its much different from Amsterdam, I've screwed the RLD Amsterdam chicks too and found it far too mechanical and assembly-line like. The Korean chicks tend to get into more and do their best to make you feel comfortable.
And too anyone else.. it all depends what you want.. if you just want your rocks off quickly, any Yongsan 7 will give you your 20 minutes for 50-60k.
Cheers.
clinteast,
People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. The errors and malapropisms abound -- and you say the GI's are stupid?
The appropriate article for "intelligent American" is [i]"an"[/i] rather than "a". One may not properly say you are "a asshole", it's "you're [i]an[/i] asshole". And with your attitude, I'd guess that you are.
Grammatically speaking, we may say that a singular engineer (intelligent American or not) "[i]has[/i] been working", not "have been working" as you use below.
Are you a "constrution" engineer or are you in [i]construction[/i]?
"Reveration" isn't a word. I think you might mean "reverence."
Your misuse of the language, coupled with your ignorant superiority trip, makes me think you are in fact a Korean yourself.
The first giveaway is you say you have friends both Korean females [i]and Korean males[/i]. Aha! Everybody knows that it's all-but-impossible for foreign males to make friends with Korean males, because Korean males are 98% objectionable assholes.
You further betray your secret identity as a Korean dude when you use the word "behaviors". Koreans very rarely grok the idea of the English language's collective singular -- multiple staff are always described as "staffs".
Own up to it, fella. Mistaken use of articles, wrong singular-plural verb tense, misspelling and just plain [i]wrong diction[/i] with made-up words, combined with contempt for American military staffs (sic) and homoerotic feelings for Korean men: [b]YOU'RE BUSTED![/b]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by clinteast
[i]lighter9000:
As a intelligent American that have been working in Korea for two years as a constrution engineer, I'm deeply ashamed for the American GI's behavior. When I was young, I had deep reveration for GIs, but it was different back then, we had normal, hard-working Americans volunteering to become GIs like Ted Williams, but now we have drug-addicts and high-schools drop outs. It seems that my Korean friends both males and females all have little or no respect for the GIs. They always talk about their rude behaviors and lack of intelligence. I heard that most of them can't even solve simple algebraic equations, and to them calculus is Einstein's theory of relativity. When a Korean girl asks me where I'm from I always tell them I'm Canadian or Dutch-their favorite. [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BugsBunny
[i]lighter
Thanks for the many helpful hints. I ventured out on Wednesday night and have not had time until now to post about it. I went to Iteawon and walked the hill, quickly figuring out that there is only juicy bars there. I had though there might also be girls avaialble like in the RLD in Amsterdam.
So I got there about 1:15am and saw someone who was obviously a GI out after cerfew leaving the scene quickly. Pretty funny. I walked up the hill and took a look. Things were relativly quite and somewhat subdued. There was a group of US MPs near the top of the hill. On the way back down I stopped in to a girl I saw on the way up and found attractive. I'd say 7-8, but I like the slim ones, so higher in my book.
Went in and she immediately closed the door behind us. There was only two tables in the place, no partitions. Venus is the name I think. Mindy was the girl's name. Anyhow, bought a beer and went ahead and bought a drink for her. I sort of like letting them come to me a bit, even if I do drop 10k won.
Anyhow, she was nice a cuddly and asked about me. This is where things were a bit strange. Not keeping my head on (so to speak) I told her I was from the US and she had no problem with it. Probably since I was still dressed for work activities and am pretty clean cut. She obviously saw me as a rich sack to raid. When she discovered I work for a big US company and I was staying at the Westin Chosun while here, she started getting petty hungry.
So she was stroking me and then starts giving me a BBBJ. Not a bad start, I'm thinking.
So she asks if I want to make love to her. I was loking for exactly that and said yes. We started negotiating price and here is where the info about me came back to bite me. She asked 300k won. I wasn't going for that and started pulling it down. She was pretty insistent and wouldn't go below 200k, including a drink for her.
Counting the money I had with me, I found I only had 150k. I didn't bring any creadit cards with me (good thing). Anyhow, she says OK and we undress (the rest of the way since we were both about naked at this point anyhow). We are in the juice bar, but alone, so space is not a problem. Being 6"5", cramped spaces don't go well with me. So first thing she does is bend over for me to come in from behind. This surprised a bit based on other posts, but I certianly was not going to complain.
Anyhow, had a good run, but didn't last as long as I would have liked -- its been a while. She was enthusiastic, which works for me. In the end, she was definitely wanting me to visit again and offered to go on a date, presumably to spend the night with me at the hotel she is so impressed with. She gave me her number and repeated a number of time that I can't forget her and that I need to call her to have some fun. I just might stilll...
In the end, I blew 175k won (I think I missed another drink I bought her in along the way). Perhpas a bit expensive, but a good experiance for me.
This was definitely different than Amsterdam where is is much more impersonal and standard process -- suck a bit (with condom) then missionary fuck in most cases.
I'm tempted by the cheaper prices, but liked the juice bar style. Are the juice bars other than in Itaewon?
So that's the story. Can anyone tell me what I shoud expect if I call her and try to negotiate a night together? How much should I expct to pay, and how much is more than usual?
Thanks for all the great posts in this area!!! [/i][/QUOTE]
Okay....seen the post by ole Bugsbunny.
Gotta answer that one.......
VENUS is a great little hole. Seems that everyone she sees gets a pretty good taste of her skills. She is one of the better BJ providers in that area........ well, whattaya expect for a guy? Guys know what guys like, right? Someone should have warned you that she used to be a he. Dude, I hate to be the one that breaks the news to ya. You gotta talk to the locals/expats that live in Seoul. By the way, the hands and adam's apple shoulda been your clue. Hey, cut the tree and split the stump and it's hard to tell.
Just so you don't feel bad......been there, done that too. Can't let a fellow shopper feel alone.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BIG_DAWG
[i]Okay....seen the post by ole Bugsbunny.
Gotta answer that one.......
VENUS is a great little hole. Seems that everyone she sees gets a pretty good taste of her skills. She is one of the better BJ providers in that area........ well, whattaya expect for a guy? Guys know what guys like, right? Someone should have warned you that she used to be a he. Dude, I hate to be the one that breaks the news to ya. You gotta talk to the locals/expats that live in Seoul. By the way, the hands and adam's apple shoulda been your clue. Hey, cut the tree and split the stump and it's hard to tell. [/i][/QUOTE]
I'm writing for the first time. I've lived in Korea for almost 8 years and have seen it all. The posts here are pretty accurate. For those of you coming to the Land Of The Morning Calm there is a bounty of Korean delights to be had. I'll tell all about them only if you promise not to give out secrets and tell a bunch of yahoo wannabes back in the USA (or where ever you're from). Keep it under wraps. We got enough foreigners here already. Just keep the posts coming and I'll check in every now and again to help when I can. Of the 45 million Koreans about 15 million are HOT women! Good luck and good hunting!
BIG_DAWG--
Must have been another girl (former guy). No large hands, no adams apple sticking out, no scars in the nether lands, no fake/enhanced breasts. Extremely light frame, and all-too feminine body features. I'll tell you what. If in fact this was a former guy, I really don't care since the service was good.
I really have to doubt that the woman I saw was a former guy. You will have seen my follow-up post before this...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BIG_DAWG
[i]Just so you don't feel bad......been there, done that too. Can't let a fellow shopper feel alone.
[/i][/QUOTE]
So I had the opportunity to get out for a bit Saturday night before having to fly back to the US on Sunday...
I just had to go to Yongsan to see the 10s in the RLD there. I was amazed ay how different this was from Amsterdam. The 10s were definitely that, but, as expected, they weren't even giving me a bit of eye contact, much less expressing interest. The B row was not worth the visit in my opinion. A number of mamasans tried to get me to go with their girls, but they did not look interested... so I wasn't very interested.
Headed to Iteawon. I figured I could either try a different girl, or see what loyalty to repeat customers brought. Walking up the hill, there was little of interest in sight. I cam to Venus and saw Mindy and went in.
Turn out the post that mentioned loyalty has its rewards are true. I was quite surprised. She was happy I was back and after buying her a first drink (10k+5k for a beer for me) she had my pants down and giving me a BBBJ. Not wanting to pay for lots of drinks, I quickly moved to negotiations and rapidly settled on 150k.
She hopped on my cock and rode pretty good for a while. If this chick was a man (see post form B_D below), she had some pretty amazing surgery, and I have seen some pretty good plastic surgery (don't ask).
Anyhow, she wanted me to come from behind and did that for awhile and then had her on top again for finish. She made a good show of enjoying it making it better for me.
Afterward, she asked when I would be back to Seoul. I told her February (true). She asked me to keep in touch with her and that she would send me pictures. I liked that idea. and then she decided to model some of her erotic clothing for me and pose. All I can say here is what I said in my last post, if this is a former man, then fine with me! While posing in rather interesting erotic positions for me, I could find not hint.. and trust me, I got a VERY close look.
Anyhow, while the price was a bit high (165k), I think the special experience was worth it.
BIG_DAWG: I'm not sure we are talking about the same individual.
lighter9000: Thanks for you posts and supportive words. You are one of those folks that help make this hobby possible!
Until I return in February/March, I hope you all have a good time.
BugsBunny
ok it's been said, well we all know
that alot of girls working the scene otside of Itaewon wont touch us with 10 foot barge polls...
I am asking a simple question..
WHY!???
why wont these hookers fuck us!!
why wont the A row girl girls in 588 and youngsan do us!!??
what is wrong with us????
are they just no attacted to non asian looks..well if thats true, then they are fucked in the head..
I have been down there, and I am handsome, young , I was dressed well and the a row girls didn't say shit to me
I hung around I saw them , the A row girls calling old grandfathers, retards, and stupid looking drunk korean Adusis...
now!! ok I understand don't like Foreigner looks, but get some taste of your own kind then!!!...
guys..why is this????
whats wrong with us????
seoulman,
I have a 75% success rate just walking up to the "A" row girls and saying "Foreigners need lovin' too" while I barge in. Once inside and behind the curtain (i.e., no Korean dudes looking at them taking us), my money's just as green as the next guy's.
Learn Korean -- it helps.
cool
I speak Korean!!
I am not as bold as you..haaah
walking straight past them and behind the curtain!!!
haaahah...
so what you are saying is..
is they don't want us because, korean men will see!!! so korean men don't like US!!!??
so what!!..maybe I am naive here!!
so what if we fuck the girls too!!
what do they care..it's not their sister!!!
they are hookers!!!!
so the girls think if they are seen taking a foreign into the store, that korean guy wont go to that store again!!!!
fuck i..we wear condoms!! koreans don't!
they are soiling the girls!!!!
many of my friends korean..have cought some nasty shit at miari, and 588
I said why don't you wear a condom
they say WHY!! this is korea!!!
and I don't like!!!
hahaahahaha...
still don't understand it..
even japan is same..
NO FOREIGNERS in general!!!
but of course there are places just like here..but acually it's no Foreigners!!!
what kind of BS is that!!!
funny because the Korean men
and japanese men want to cpome to our country and do our WHITE girls and experience the white girl..
but if we want to try their woman..
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dirty foreigner!!!
doesn't seem fair!!!!
we are all red blooded!!!!!
we are all humans!!
we are all made the same!!!
not like I have three dicks or something!
I HATE RACIST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK...I went to check for myself. My mistake on Mindy. The other one was Hee Ju. That's who I was talking about. And I think the name of the place was different too. Guess that's why he/she don't work there any more.
Tried the goods.....if that was a guy before WHO FRIGGIN CARES!!! Wow!
Been all over Korea and got the Tee shirts...that was some show and performance.
See ya when you get back to the ROK.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by BugsBunny
[i]So I had the opportunity to get out for a bit Saturday night before having to fly back to the US on Sunday...
I just had to go to Yongsan to see the 10s in the RLD there. I was amazed ay how different this was from Amsterdam. The 10s were definitely that, but, as expected, they weren't even giving me a bit of eye contact, much less expressing interest. The B row was not worth the visit in my opinion. A number of mamasans tried to get me to go with their girls, but they did not look interested... so I wasn't very interested.
Headed to Iteawon. I figured I could either try a different girl, or see what loyalty to repeat customers brought. Walking up the hill, there was little of interest in sight. I cam to Venus and saw Mindy and went in.
Turn out the post that mentioned loyalty has its rewards are true. I was quite surprised. She was happy I was back and after buying her a first drink (10k+5k for a beer for me) she had my pants down and giving me a BBBJ. Not wanting to pay for lots of drinks, I quickly moved to negotiations and rapidly settled on 150k.
She hopped on my cock and rode pretty good for a while. If this chick was a man (see post form B_D below), she had some pretty amazing surgery, and I have seen some pretty good plastic surgery (don't ask).
Anyhow, she wanted me to come from behind and did that for awhile and then had her on top again for finish. She made a good show of enjoying it making it better for me.
Afterward, she asked when I would be back to Seoul. I told her February (true). She asked me to keep in touch with her and that she would send me pictures. I liked that idea. and then she decided to model some of her erotic clothing for me and pose. All I can say here is what I said in my last post, if this is a former man, then fine with me! While posing in rather interesting erotic positions for me, I could find not hint.. and trust me, I got a VERY close look.
Anyhow, while the price was a bit high (165k), I think the special experience was worth it.
BIG_DAWG: I'm not sure we are talking about the same individual.
lighter9000: Thanks for you posts and supportive words. You are one of those folks that help make this hobby possible!
Until I return in February/March, I hope you all have a good time.
BugsBunny [/i][/QUOTE]
Seoulman:
Korean men are racist. Plain fact. Even moreso when it comes to their women. They absolutely go apeshit when a foreigner has anything to do with a korean girls.
White guys who show public affection to korean girls (girlfriend/boyfriend) will get glares at the least, harsh words and sometimes occasionally physical violence if the ajoshi in question is drunk enough. Seen it happen enough times. *****s are no different.
Korean men (and I'm generalizing here) are really big on racial purity, homogenity etc etc. You may also not be aware that there is a 60/40 Male/Female disparity in Korea. So there aren't enough chicks to go around for the men. They are aware of this fact. And its their own fault because korean women regular abort female fetuses because boys are preferred. So everytime they see a foreigner with a korean girl, ***** or not, they are reminded of "one more whitey stealing our women". The problem is so bad that the Korean-Men are the #1 customer of Phillipino mail-order brides. Why? Because for a Korean man to be over 30 and unmarried is seen as shameful, strange, unusual. There is massive pressure for both men and women to be married by the time they are 30. This is changing with time.. but the old order is still really strong in Korea.
Anyway, there is your reasoning.
Bugs:
Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?
Cheers.
seoulman/lighter9000,
just to further this discussion a bit. a friend of mine taught english in korea and everything the both of you two said are 100% true. in his case, he was with a korean lady (student) and wanted to take a taxi cab back to his place. what did the taxi gook do? he drove them out to a field in the middle of no-where and told them to walk! my friend said he was so pissed! and nothing the korean student said would change the taxi drivers mind (except he said, "leave him here, and i'll take you home") - yeah right...my friend thought he was going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her. other times, he would be walking down the street in ulsan(sp.?) and people from the balcony's above him would pour "coke" down on him - trying to hit him...if they missed, they'd simply chuck the cans at him! in short, he still has a k-girl friend (long dist. relationship) but they're always fighting.....korean girls have major attitude problems (princess disease)....i wouldn't even try to p/u a regular one...anyways, just my two cents...
ps. is it just me or does it seem that seoulman! is! going! or! has! gone! crazy! - poor bastard....time to come home buddy!
Quite ironic since here in LA Koreans often go down to TJ to bone mexican chicks. Latino men do not mind at all.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lighter9000
[i]Seoulman:
Korean men are racist. Plain fact. Even moreso when it comes to their women. They absolutely go apeshit when a foreigner has anything to do with a korean girls.
White guys who show public affection to korean girls (girlfriend/boyfriend) will get glares at the least, harsh words and sometimes occasionally physical violence if the ajoshi in question is drunk enough. Seen it happen enough times. *****s are no different.
Korean men (and I'm generalizing here) are really big on racial purity, homogenity etc etc. You may also not be aware that there is a 60/40 Male/Female disparity in Korea. So there aren't enough chicks to go around for the men. They are aware of this fact. And its their own fault because korean women regular abort female fetuses because boys are preferred. So everytime they see a foreigner with a korean girl, ***** or not, they are reminded of "one more whitey stealing our women". The problem is so bad that the Korean-Men are the #1 customer of Phillipino mail-order brides. Why? Because for a Korean man to be over 30 and unmarried is seen as shameful, strange, unusual. There is massive pressure for both men and women to be married by the time they are 30. This is changing with time.. but the old order is still really strong in Korea.
Anyway, there is your reasoning.
Bugs:
Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?
Cheers. [/i][/QUOTE]
lighter9000:
Both times in the bar. Since we were alone there, it was fine with me. Both times it was BBBJ, but I always fuck with a condom. I have no desire to catch anything.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lighter9000
[i]
Bugs:
Thanks for your reports, glad you were able to enjoy yourself. Just a quick question, you said on your first visit to Mindy she did you in the bar, what about the second time? Also, did you go bareback or use a condom both times?
Cheers. [/i][/QUOTE]
With the latest incident of GI running over two school girls with their APC will only increase the Korean resolve to get rid of GI and US military bases all together.
MAC,
Let this website clean...do not bother us...if you know nice korean girls to fuck, fuck them alone and do not bother us. We do not need your fucking advise. Go to hell.
I say MAC is welcome to try to hustle his sex-tour-guide services. It seems he is just a guy who wants to hang around a little bit with visiting foreigners and maybe cadge a free beer (or some pussy if he's lucky) out of it. Leave the guy alone.
Hell, it's pretty exceptional that we've got a Korean guy who not only doesn't seem to object to foreigners enjoying what he can get, but in fact is proud to share. That's a real pal, if you ask me. What other countries have such a Welcome Wagon?
Of course, MAC, you realize that many of the foreign guys are worried that you might take them out of the way and beat their asses.
MAC,
When you say "naked woman drinking bars" what do you mean? Where are these? And how much is the general fare?
MAC
Please check your e-mail!!!!
Keep up the good work.
alex20, you probably meant to direct your comments to clinteast. He's the abusive poster!
The show at the VENUS is awesome. Go up the hill in Itaewon (Seoul) and it's the 3rd bar on the right. It's a one woman show....and it's worth the stop over. I gaurantee it will get your engine running. If you're up to it she'll cool you off too. Show costs about 50000 won each for up to 3 guys and 20000 for each for more guys. Also found a barbershop by KINKO's in Kangnam that is truely FULL service. I went in at 11:00 pm and didn't leave until 2:00 am. Go up the street that is next to KINKO's to the red light and it's the 2 pole barbershop on the the left corner. Go downstairs and get ready! The lady's name is Ms. Kim (02-552-3398). You can call ahead to set up a rendevous. BBBJ, tongue wash, big tits, and full service fucking.
Several of my buddies are looking to start rating barber poles....it seems there is a move afoot to improve SERVICE! We'll see.
Good huntin'!
Hey, everyone. I’m new to this forum. I’ll be heading over to Korea in August for about three weeks to attend a friend’s wedding in Daejeon. However, I will be spending most of my time in the Seoul suburb of Son Won and will probably venture into Seoul every now and then. I’m really stoked about this trip as it is my first time visiting Korea. I’m also trying to see if I can get a visa to visit the North. I figure since I’m in the area, I might as well take advantage of this opportunity. Any suggestions?
Anyways, in preparation for my trip, I’ve been reading this particular section for a while now. I asked a couple of Korean friends about Itaewon and Oh-Pal-Pal (588), which have both been mentioned quite frequently here, and they say to avoid both areas at all costs. Why would they say that? The friend I’ll be staying with has promised to be my guide and take me to a few areas where I may get “lucky”. He’s Korean and knows the city quite well, so we’ll see if he’s right!
I’d also like to comment on some of the things about Korean men and women. The guy’s who’s wedding I’ll be attending and the guy I’m staying with were both born and raised in Korea. I’m Caucasian and I consider these two guys to be my “hyungs” or older brothers. However, I have noticed that many Korean men are VERY ethnocentric -- even many of those born and raised in North America. My two friends would be the first to admit that as well. So, while it’s rare to meet a “decent Korean guy”, once you do, they’re your family and will ALWAYS be there for you. As for that comment about Korean women having a “princess syndrome”, I would have to disagree with that. My experience with Korean women (not just the Americanized ones, but recent immigrants as well) in North America has been “hit or miss” – they’re either really good, or really bad, but never in between. Two of my friends have recently married Korean girls and they couldn’t be happier with their choices. Maybe Korean girls have a temper and are possessive, but that doesn’t bother me too much.
Well, I hope to possibly post a trip report!
Cheers.
hi all! after reading about the barber shop in kangnam i had to ask this question which may be asked before.
Is there any way to distinguish between barber shops??
I've been to one where after the massage I was led to a shower room where full service was available after. Price 60000 won.
Most others u get mebbe a shave followed by a long massage ending with a HJ.
Now are they differentiated by the fact that some have 2 poles, 3 poles etc outside the barber shop?
Or some u have to walk down yet some u walk up?
Or perhaps diff. shops just have their own polices n practices?
Appreciate any contributions or efforts to find out.
Seoulsurvivor:
Just because I made some grammer mistakes in a forum doesn't mean that I'm a Korean. I mean I have Korean friends because I came from a neighborhood where there were a lot of Koreans. I said most GI's were like that, not all of them. I don't understand what the hostility is about man. I'm in my 20s and if you ever noticed most people age don't reall give a shit about grammer. I suspect that you are from a generation where grammer was strictly enforced. Chill out man.
So, you're an [b][i]American[/i][/b] who uses English as if it were his second language? My apologies, both for the misapprehension on my part, and for the school system which let you graduate in this state of blissful ignorance. You and your hyungs just carry on then.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by clinteast
[i]Seoulsurvivor:
Just because I made some grammer mistakes in a forum doesn't mean that I'm a Korean. I mean I have Korean friends because I came from a neighborhood where there were a lot of Koreans. I said most GI's were like that, not all of them. I don't understand what the hostility is about man. I'm in my 20s and if you ever noticed most people age don't reall give a shit about grammer. I suspect that you are from a generation where grammer was strictly enforced. Chill out man. [/i][/QUOTE]
Jazzfish:
The Barber shops are hit and miss. The number of polls doesn't really have any significance. Single, double, triple.. whatever, the script is usually the same. Roughly 60,000 for a massage then a release.
Each Barber shop is different and the service varies by shop and by the woman who serves you. I've been to alot in the past, but I wouldn't bother with them anymore, the service is too variated and the women not attractive enough. Where with 60,000 you can get sex and pick a girl that is attractive to you somewhere else.
I have *never* received *true* full service at a barber shop. I have been offered it numerous times, accepted, only to be very dissapointed and insulted. Basically, they offer it and hop on top of you and lean forward. They then pretend to "insert" you, but really its their hand and an *almost* convincing technique. But most of us hobbiests have screwed enough vagina to know the difference. Its fairly obvious to me.. and the most insulting thing is how most of the women moan and groan like they are getting pleasure from it. I mean, faking during actual sex is one thing.. but faking moaning when you're faking sex? Heh.. insult to injury. Anyway, there have been reports here from guys who have received true full service from a barber shop, but its really hit and miss, its never a gaurentee. Even if you ask for "full service" and they say yes, (which has happened to me) you run the risk of getting the "hand-job vagina" treatment.
I would honestly rather masturbate then go back to a barber shop these days. Its a waste of 60k.
Cheers.
588!!!
for non asian men only please!!!
how many of you guys have been to 588 and have been refused?
how many have been acepted?
I am talking about the main road girls, a row, the hot ones..
main road girls on both sides with koreans walking, and cars driving etc...
what were you quoted on price??
cheers..
In Kangnam at least, if the price quoted is W80,000 instead of W60,000, the "haircut" is going to be excellent. If they quote W60,000 then turn around and walk out.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lighter9000
[i]I have *never* received *true* full service at a barber shop. I have been offered it numerous times, accepted, only to be very dissapointed and insulted. Basically, they offer it and hop on top of you and lean forward. They then pretend to "insert" you, but really its their hand and an *almost* convincing technique. But most of us hobbiests have screwed enough vagina to know the difference. Its fairly obvious to me.. and the most insulting thing is how most of the women moan and groan like they are getting pleasure from it. I mean, faking during actual sex is one thing.. but faking moaning when you're faking sex? Heh.. insult to injury. Anyway, there have been reports here from guys who have received true full service from a barber shop, but its really hit and miss, its never a gaurentee. Even if you ask for "full service" and they say yes, (which has happened to me) you run the risk of getting the "hand-job vagina" treatment.
I would honestly rather masturbate then go back to a barber shop these days. Its a waste of 60k.[/i][/QUOTE]
man I don't know what you guys have for asian girls, but in my book, they are one fugly bitches. Can't you guys get white girls, why settle for orientals when you can get some real tits and ass with white girls. I'm totally turned off by their lack of curves. It seems that they are flat all the way around. And their face, it's flat as a pancake and round as a silverware. And how could you stare at those slanty eyes that you can probably blindfold with a dental floss. You guys need to get checked up in the head.
shit, if I were to screw a asian *****, I would ask her for money.
USAforever:
I've seen what "typical", white, American girls looks like - everytime I turn on the television and see "The Jerry Springer Show".
I've also seen US military chicks and "teachers".
Mate, you are welcome to the lot of them - and their skanky attitudes. I don't think that any person of taste would crawl over a Korean girl to do it with an American.
Hi guys, I am a regular contributor to the Tokyo discussion, but I enjoy reading the Korea discussion very much.
To USAforever ... you wouldn't happen to be a redneck from Texarkana now wud'cha? If you don't like asian women, I don't give a f#ck, it just leaves more for me and guys like me. I just have to ask you though ... have you ever tried dating, bonking one? I think asian women are an acquired taste. I personally was not ever attracted to an asian while living in the States, and only after moving to Japan did I see the light. It took me maybe 3 or 4 months to go from uninterested to nuts about Japanese women. I, like you, at first thought they all had no body (well, the body of an 11 year old boy). But, I came to realize it's all about proportions. Asian women are smaller framed, and very slim waisted, therefore even breasts that aren't too big by western standards are more than ample on a small frame. Also, to the untrained eye, asian women fully clothed will perhaps appear to have no curves, but what you (redneck dipshit) don't know is that under the clothes is an amazingly sexy body of unimaginable delights. You may also not be aware that asian women (at least Japanese women) have essentially no tuna smell in the nether regions. I hated going down in the States, and now I love it! I'm not saying that asian women are for everyone .... maybe some guys do prefer big, white, flabby, Iowa cornfed, 185 pound gals with smelly pussies. Hey if that's your cup of tea ... they are all yours. USAforever is the kind of racist idiot who gives Americans a bad name.
Just to add:
Korean girls tend to have zero odour as well. Its fantastic. Back in Canada, I would say the majority of caucasian girls had SOME sort of odour.. it varied in strength. But korean girls have none whatsoever.
Fishmonger and lighter9000, maybe it's not a good idea to sing the praise of Asian women. If USA ever comes around, it would suck. As fishmonger said, more to go around without people like USA. However, if he does, i hope his first experience will be with a transexual in Pat Pong district of BKK.
I don't know about you guys, but could it be that USAforever may be a Korean guy posting as an American? The bad grammar pretty much gives it away.
cykot
really?
in my experiences - and those of the majority of my peers - most americans in korea suffer poor grammar and linguistic skills.
it is unlikely that he is even in korea - unless he has no choice in the matter.
NOWAY this is happening!!!
you people are NOT arguing about someones grammar and spelling are you?
please don't start fights and putting people down because of their grammar skills....
THIS IS SITE TO DISCUSS SEX!!!!
if you want to bash people try a korean forum or something, pleanty of grammar police , who get their kicks out of telling people to use sytax, commars, etc....
I am a native speaker, born and raised in western educated the lot, my grammar and spelling SUCKS!!!! I got a c for English moved up from a D...
like the other guy said, people these days don't really give a shit about grammar, I don't want to be a writer,or an editor so why should I care..
MOST important why do you care about someone elses grammar on a board liek this!!!!
lets not turn this board into a place to fight and belittle people..
LET's TALK ABOUT SEX BABY!!!!!!!!!
Konglish, bad English, terrible spelling whatever, any educated person can figure out what your saying..
lets just hear the stories..
ON K SEX!!!!!!!!
588 RLD
Quick answers in case you don’t want to read the whole post.
WARNING- Watch out for the crazy Korean guy (metal rimmed glasses about 5 and 1/2 ft tall) that claims he was a doctor and has a large scar on his right bicep- he is friendly at first and then will follow you around if you talk to him and create more problems than it is worth being there….if you meet this guy do not get into any conversation with him politely deny and move on quickly.
I have been refused more times than I have been accepted. However if you find one girl that lets you in treat her nice she may hook you up with some of her hot friends, that maybe doubtful of foreigners, in the future.
The prices that have being quoted usually start at 180,000 won for foreigners. Many times though you can get them to lower the price during slow times, but forget it if it is busy they will turn tricks with Korean guys first. Unless you have a regular that will allow you in during a peak time it may be a lonely night if you are only set on the “A†row and there high prices. I will not pay 180,000 won for 15 minutes of sex…so I negotiate to a reasonable price that I am willing to pay (40,000 -120,000 won). For 588 “A†row girls I think the cheapest I have paid was 70,000 won.
When I went there it was late afternoon/early evening...many of the shops were just opening up. Like other reports have stated...there is a high rejection rate on the "A" row girls. However there was a strategy that has been suggested that could increase your odds of getting in but not for a cheaper price. If you walk into the “A†row shops and head just behind the curtain or door you have increased your odds of getting in…however the drawback to this approach is…they will usually quote you a price that is most likely going to be 3 to 5 times higher than that of a Korean National or if you would have just asked the price. Yes, sometimes you may run into some resistance from the ladies or the men (some are owners others are just muscle for protection of assets-not limited in slapping around the ladies if needed) that are working. I have been lucky enough to get several “A†row girls without the assistance of a Korean translator. Most of the “A†row girls prefer not to be with a foreigner for a several reasons…
1) the infamous language barrier
2) the general attitude that they perceive about foreigners (the myths/truths, military, etc… BS)
3) anything that may be longer, harder, faster, and even better usually hurts them if they are not accustomed to the size in general.
4) many tend to be loyal to the Krn. Nat. because in general Korean men are in many cases are their escape from being a prostitute if they can get hooked up with a good or rich guy.
5) they just don’t like foreigners for personal reasons, attitude, or actions in public
6) some are newer to the lifestyle and may be afraid to be adventurous
7) the last reason that was told to me by an “A†row lady was that some get threatened by the owners/muscle if they waiver from the Korean men for business reasons. Many of the regulars have been going to the same places for a long time and have spent huge amounts of money to have pristine young ladies give them a ball drainer time when they come. Where a foreigner is considered a non-regular unless convinced otherwise.
The prices that I have been quoted recently from “A†row ladies have being minimum of 70,000 won…..the maximum was 180,000 won. However in general many of these women will go from 180,000 to 310,000 won. Usually for 2 reason they will quote you a high price…1) thinking and hoping that you are willing to pay that much or 2) knowing that the chances you paying a high price will be slim and that you will go away but if you pay the high price they make out enduring 15 minutes of a foreigner.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]588!!!
for non asian men only please!!!
how many of you guys have been to 588 and have been refused?
how many have been acepted?
I am talking about the main road girls, a row, the hot ones..
main road girls on both sides with koreans walking, and cars driving etc...
what were you quoted on price??
cheers.. [/i][/QUOTE]
Itaewon
I do not mean to insult anyone’s negotiating abilities so I will share what has worked on hooker hill for me (the average guy).
From the post’s that I have read here most everyone is paying entirely too much for what you are getting or not getting.
Remember they know a sucker coming....don't be a sucker....don't get caught up in their BS...once they lure you in and sit down it makes it harder...... but not impossible.... to do these steps.....read carefully.... the following.
Remember most of these girls range from 4’s to 8’s on average dependent upon your own personal opinion and taste. I have seen what I consider 10’s usually walking through here but once in a while you seem to strike gold.
Everyone that has visited the “hill†a few times know that these women try to lure you in with some promise of having a good time if you buy them drinks and spend lots of money in the place…. And that they will go to your place (hotel or their room for 250,000 won in addition to drinks you buy inside) Well if that is your thing and you don’t mind spending that type of money or time…… go for it. For me, all that buying a drink BS is exactly that… BS. If I want to drink I can go to the store right on the corner buy 3 or 4 large beers for the price of one that some of these places charge. I definitely will not spend 10,000 won for one of their drinks.
Here is what has worked for me…if everyone begins to do the same thing then hopefully everyone will get laid for a more reasonable price more often.
Here is what I do (you can start usually after 4:00 pm to the whenever hours in the a.m. it does not really matter much what day it is but remember…. YMMV..)
Hint: Look for places that have 2 or fewer girls in the place and no customers. Also do not take all of your buddies go by yourself or if you have a great need to bring someone then limit it to one other. (I have always gone by myself since it has yielded the best results. However you may get a deal or a show for the 2 of you…. try it and post the results)
1) I walk the hill to see who is working and the selections that are available. (all of it, even on the gay side, because some of the women live right up that same street. You might catch them before they get to the bar). Don’t forget about the places up the hill on the north /south road on both sides and the lower main half of the hill and any other places that the ladies sit in the door…some place are located somewhat off the main portion or the entrance is located further back in a building, just check around for all the places first.
2) If you do not like what you see then go drink for awhile someplace other than there and come back and repeat 1) if you find a girl that you might enjoy to have sex with the proceed to 3)
3) The woman initiates contact anyways, so go talk to her but do not go into the bar…stand right outside the door. (they always have to tell you something and it always will only take 1 minute of your time….He He He a lot of BS)
4) Cut out all the “buy me a drink†BS and tell them that all you want is sex and that is it. It is not necessary to buy them drinks in order for you to get laid. Remind them that you are not there to buy any drinks, you are only there for sex. You can play the “hard to get†role or “I am not sure if you’re honest with me †role by starting to walk away or backing away if they insist that you have to buy a drink. Do not buy drinks for none of them unless you really have a strong desire to waste your money for nothing.
5) If they agree on having sex usually the women is alone, one or two coworkers, or have a mamasan in there. However that may not always be the case, trial and error, so don’t worry too much about other women watching or knowing. It tends to be better if there are fewer people in the place because they will usually shut the door and lock it for privacy and comfort.
6) Price Ask them how much? ….it will most likely be around 100,000 won or some other ridiculous price.
WARNINNG ----THAT IS TOO MUCH….ALERT---THAT IS TOO MUCH….. get my point.
Tell them that it is too much do not be afraid to negotiate at this point because they have already agreed on having sex…
They will probably ask you how much you are willing to spend (remember it is always better for the other person to give you the prices) so if you get stuck here always “low ball†the price or just tell them to go lower…but if you have to quote a price say 25,000 - 40,000 won they may look at you funny or laugh saying that is too cheap ---that is when you say “well tell me a fair price…â€.
Hint: ( here is one thing you never know….and that is if they are willing to accept a lower price…..you don’t know unless you offer….you can get surprised on how low they are willing to accept…try it… don’t get disappointed if you don’t get the exact price each time)
At this point you force her into quoting you a price of course she still may quote a higher price but it will be closer too 50,000 - 80,000 won
Hint: If you frequent the “hill†often and have sampled some of the ladies you can try to convince them that they gave you a better price previously….insist on it….remember you are more likely to remember them than they are to remember you and the price they gave you…generally speaking…however if you did something stupid or caused a big commotion at one time or another they will probably remember you…more easily but you can always deny everything….
(you can get most all of these girls for around 50,000 won…give or take depending on you and her…the best I have done on the “hill†was 25,000 won for a quickie from a 30-35 year old, petite, nice c cups, not ugly at all—attractive woman not a 9 or 10….maybe closer to a 6 or 7…it may have been a slow night or whatever…but who cares for that price…. I was fortunate enough to win a low price that was the only reason….. it could have happened to anyone else in the same circumstance).
If you know how much you are willing to spend stick with that price (try to be within the lower portion of the market price…somewhere around 35,000-50,000 won)…because the woman will stick to her lowest price…you can either take it or leave it, but if it is still a little high leave it…come back 1/2 or 1 hour later and try again if you feel she will go down in price. But if she sticks to her price at that point it is up to you if you want to pay it.
Hint: Do not haggle too much for the price. They will give you an initial price…you counter with either a comment like “ I know I can get it cheaper than that around here…†she will either reply with a price or ask you a price….just tell her to give you a fair price…it will probably be around 60-80,000 won. If the price is getting good try to go 10,000 won less than you are willing to spend and see if she will bite…all in all it will be about 3 offers from each person on price …. at that point she will have probably have stated her lowest price for that day.
7) If you think you can get a better deal or a better woman for the same deal then walk away and shop around…. but so you don’t screw your deal up with her… tell her that you would like to look around first before you make a decision….it is okay to be somewhat honest to these ladies….especially if you already negotiated a fair price…she is not going anywhere that quick but she could get busy so use your better judgment…
8) The price you get today you may or may not get another day. Always, Always negotiate for the lowest price each and every time. Remember once they give a lower price and you begin seeing the same ladies frequently they really cannot raise the price on you if they desire to keep your business. If you get a great deal one day go back the next day and get the same deal…ask her what her work days are and tell her to remember you…and if you tell her that you will see her in a particular time frame then show up so you can keep getting the same deal…and she will start to recognize and remember you. If you find a lady that gives you good service do not give her tips…..never, never, never…..she only cares as far as your wallet extends….generally speaking… so to avoid screwing everyone else’s deal don’t spoil these prostitutes…. none of us are here to marry them….we all know that they are human and have feelings, yada, yada, yada, …..however they are in the business of pleasing men (many, many, many, men) so they have chosen to earn their money in this fashion.
Hint: if they like you they won’t ask you for extra but they might give you extra…
9) Getting laid…most places will try to get your money in advance however try to get it where it is in left in plain site on the table…show them that you have the amount agreed upon and that you will leave it here (arms reach away) on a table or back rest whatever is close until after service is provided…..that way if there is any BS…during the getting laid process….like a lubed hand job, the chick has a dick, or any other unfortunate mishap other than getting laid you can cancel all deals….once you give them your money it will be hard to get it back….if you are not getting the service you expected.
…for the most part I have not had a problem with leaving my money within arms reach away….you can tell them why you want it like that….it is strictly business….but make sure that you don’t cheat them from the money you agreed on if they have given you service regardless how good or bad it was….once your dick is in and you have busted a nut that is pretty much the deal sealer unless they don’t complete it….because it will screw everyone else’s deal.
This last weekend I was able to negotiate a price of 50,000 won…for a 7…it was she and mamasan in the place….she locked the door….guided me back to a booth…gave me a BBBJ for about 5 or 10 minutes….then she mounted me until completion …it was all good and the money was within reach incase of any mishap, service was provided, and I left the 50,000 won on the table. She cleaned me up then herself and took the money afterwards.. about 1/2 hr total sex time. It was on the upper half of the hill…on the right hand side towards the top…don’t recall a name of the place but if someone is in dire need to know leave your email and I will try to contact you with the name…however like I said it should not really matter since this list applies to 97% of the places there.
And for the one’s that just can’t get it down and need some help negotiating leave your email address and we can try to arrange something during a weekend if I am available.
Hint: I like to drink beer and getting laid.
Slow N Easy:
Thanks for your reports. Just a few comments. Some girls will simply refuse to go below a certain amount. Even if you threaten to walk. This is especially the case with the places that have a mamasan behind the bar. The girls simply can't go below a certain price.
I'm young (25) and fairly attractive and I've had HH girls refuse to go lower than 70,000 on a BBBJ... I just laugh and walk.. but they won't go lower.
I appreciate your point of view on not paying for too much, but you sound like a bit of a cheap-charlie and with sex, like anything else, you get what you pay for and I personally feel that when you low-ball a girl she isn't going to do her best for you. Now, granted, I'm sure some of us have paid too much and got crap service too, but I think the middle ground is best. My experience from the Hill is that paying around 100,000 yields the best service and the most eager girls. I actually prefer the hill because they are a) foreigner friendly and b) much less trafficked than the RLD girls.
But I agree, on slow nights if you go to a bar with no mamasan and no other clients then you're likely able to get a good price. But then you'll probably also have to screw in the bar and I won't do that. I'll only go to their apartment, personal preference really, its also been my experience that they seem much more comfortable and relaxed out of the bar.
Cheers.
Lighter9000
I appreciate your honesty however I have to disagree with you in some aspects of your response.
You can call me cheap or whatever, personally I could careless what you want to call me…however my point is not to demonstrate my wiliness or lack there of to part from my hard earned money. The point is why should anyone have to pay American type prices too women that are willing to take less money for sex in a non-1st world country that is still developing. It’s the people that want to act like the big spender or is willing to accept the first price out of their mouth because that have trouble getting laid, have no clue, or they just are not negotiating as well as they could that inflate the women’s greediness to a level that it is currently.
Listen to what is going on in this forum…. you have many foreigners that can’t get laid in a red light district for under 180,000 and that is for a short time for a pristine looking lady…we are talking about 9’s and 10’s take are usually screwing Korean guys. On the other hand you have the “Hill†where the average lady is around a 5-7 that not only want to drain your wallet dry but they want to make feel like you should go to the ATM and spend more just to get laid. That can add up to over 250,000 just for the lady in addition to the bill in the bar. But it all boils down to about the same amount of time spent on sex. It doesn’t take a whole lot of math to figure it out. These women in these bars are not worth paying American escort prices for. Do the math to figure out what they will make in an hour. And if I just do the math for me paying 50,000 won for 1/2 hr I am still paying to much cause you and I can still get laid in the USA for less than $80.00 for an hour. So am I still a “cheap Charlie� I think not!
I came to this country 10 years ago and was able to have 4 ladies at the same time for a cheaper price than the market value is currently. Granted there is inflation big deal but there does not have to be over inflation.
There is not one single lady up on that hill that is worth over 80,000 won (roughly the over rated market value). Granted there are some that will not drop below a certain price…but if anyone is willing to pay 300,000 won for anything on the “hill†let me know. I know there is better tang then that on the hill any many other spots for a whole lot less and equal or better service.
If you think you are getting better service by paying extra you should really think again she is not interested in giving better service she doesn’t care even if you are dropping money to her, her only interest is getting as much money from your wallet to her wallet.
Do you think that any of these girls are eager to please you or me? Not even close. It is only about money. When they see any guy walking down the street they could care less how that person wants to feel, all they see is an opportunity to drain a guys wallet, it is part of their job description. The worse part of that is after they drain a guy’s wallet and they only get a small percentage of it. So of course they are willing to go someplace for a shag because it is another way for them to make some extra cash and continue to drain your wallet at every opportunity. Like previous posts have stated many of they women are in debt somehow and at times get more into debt if they are not working hard enough, however there are more women that are relatively independent and have a choice to stay or go. Even if they hate the job the money is still better than a regular job.
Yes you might feel a bit more comfortable but that is it. It really does not matter if you screw on a table, sofa, bar stool, floor, bar, crowded room, or a bed your getting the same exact amount of time for sex. It is up to the individual on how much he is willing to spend foolishly or wisely. Time is money the more time they spend with you or me the less money they make if we are not dropping wads of cash.
So the best you are getting is a room (many hotels and motels cost less) for about 50,000 won extra that you are going to spend 20 to 30 minutes in that may allow somewhat more comfort than a locked bar door with a happier girl (because she drained extra money from your wallet) and that is the only reason she seems eager to please is she wants to hurry up make her money so she can go and make more off the next sucker.
Yes here on the board you hear some neat stories of ones adventures on the hill or elsewhere. But it all comes down to the price and quality of tang. The best bang for the buck. So that was my contribution to the fellows that don’t want to spend their money foolishly like many on this board have done in the past up on the “hillâ€. If you are willing to pay extra, go for it tiger knock yourself out, you are only hurting the industry by allowing them to raise the prices to an unnecessary level. But why would anyone want to pay anymore than they have too for anything? What is the point?
SlowNEasy:
I understand your perspective and I wasn't trying to be insulting at all. Cheap-charlie was more descriptive than anything else.
I agree with you that nobody should pay 300,000 for a girl on the hill. Hell, nobody should pay that for a woman ANYWHERE. I'm just suggesting that driving the prices as low as possible isn't necessarily the best way to go about things. And I think that 100,000 is reasonable for SOME of the girls on HH. The fact is that MOST of the girls on HH are disgusting and I wouldn't even pay 60,000 to go with them. The thing is, in my opinion, the few gems on the hill are worth going for. I won't get into a philosophical debate here, but its obvious you take a far more cynical view to prostitution than I do. But to each his own, its not important.
Also, when was the last time you were at 588? I have been three times and never ever been quoted over 90,000. And never over 80,000 in Miari/Yongsan/Seongnam.. been twice, twice and three times respectively... and usually /try/ to shop before I buy.. but was manhandled twice in Seongnam.
Cheers.
lighter9000
you have been to seognam, youngsan, and 588..
have you been laid???
well I don't know you, but I could guess the A row girls are not even looking at you!..
and 588, the only girls that will shagg for korean prices, are the Ajumas, at the end of the street, you been shagging them>>>??
the other girls at 588, charge 120.000 for 15 minutes..or around that..some girls there yes will shagg you for 70.000 the korean price, a diamond in the rough...
youngsan, depends I guess, but the A row girls, noway!!
seougnam, be care there are many gangstars patroling around there, and they don't like foriegners, so I guess you didn't get laid either...
ITAEWON..think about..if a hooker on the hill can get 20.000won for a lady drink, where she might just talk to you, or play with your cock, then you buy another drink she will wank it, and let you fool around on her tites, then another drink, now we got 60.000 she might give you some finger action...
so the average consumer, first, novice hooker hill walker, I.E average JOE, the normal customer, the girls are making this, so why should they fuck you for 50-80,000 seems not worth it for them..If I was a hooker I wouldnt do it, I would be looking for the next fat businessman to buy a lady drink that lasts 3 minutes!!!
of course you get lucky, she will BBBJ for 40.000 finish you off etc...
ok the quote of 150- 300 IS A FUCKING JOKE!!
the reason why they do it, is because they have learned of expense accounts, rich businessman who make 20G'S a month.they don't care about 200bucks for a shagg for a korean girl while on business its a novelty for them, or 300.000 won expense account, fuck blow it all...
these people are making it harder on us, the poeple that live here.
sure we don't want to pay 300 for a shagg, not even 100
we want to pay 70.000 like the koreans who are fucking the A row big bust, tall slender arrogant looking korean girls...
we want what they've got!!!!.
the hill is a rip off, they see us as hard up foreigners, with money
they are rude, and if you say no, they just walk back inside...
I mean why is it that all redlight districts in seoul for koreans have prices on the door, 70 cash, 80 card, or 60 70 what ever
but hooker hill does not have prices, if they did they would get action...set prices for BBBJ..set prices for sex..I mean they love the 20.000 for a drink price!!! what a fucking rip off that is...
in KOREA!! man....
still roomsalons are over priced too...
there is sex to be had on the hill, depends on the day, the girl, the time,,,the mood, I have been quoted all kinds of shit, they just make it up once they see you..just like korean retailers!!!
HJ=40.000 BBBJ=80.000 SEX =150.000
fuck that!!! for 150.000 I want her all night!!!!!
not 20 minutes!!!!
I have been to seognam, no luck there, I was not to agressive, I wait for them to call me.,they no call I just walk, been there twice, no action...
youngsan, been there twice, again no action, I was only interested in the A row girls, they were not having any part of me, they even told my korean friend to tell me no foreigners!!!
the back row girls, were calling, ,but no thanks...
588 been there a few times, sometimes had luck, a row girls on the side roads, very attractive, tall slender, big tits etc..
she said I come in...I was shocked!!!!
more offers came from non main drag girls..I mean main drag is the entrance, where they have booths on each side, heaps of action, many people, cars, etc...
I doubt any foreigner will get laid there!!
had a few offers in 588 the same price..70.000 others quoted me 120.000, and some said when asked about forigners, they told us to go to the Ajumasm they do foreigners...
I just laugh at her, and said " no! you fuck Adusi I no fuck Ajuma!..
walked past the Ajumas on the way out,,JESUS HELP US!!!!
other times have been refused by the ones we want!!!
miari, well it deoends there too, some times they are kind, other times they don't even look at you..depends on the mammasans I guess, but the ones we are offered, are pretty fucking bad!!!
well bad whats bad, two tits a hole and heart beat!
what else you want!!,,naaa the girls are alright there I guess..
different kind of breed though compared to their sisters at 588, maybe the clothes, maybe the style, just they seem more depressed there! sitting on the floor waiting...where 588 its action they are hanging out the doors, grabbing people, calling out to OPPA!!
man this is getting as long as slowN easy messages..
better end it now on a positive note!!
thank god for THAILAND!!!
I've been a lurker for awhile and now my first post. Send you welcomes to me at your leisure.
I've been a participant in the Seoul game for about 6 years, with quite a bit of experience under my belt. I have gone through my psychological ups and downs with my attitude toward the scene and my own participation in it. I've come to the conclusion that there is nothing wrong with it, legally or ethically, and have decided to come out and participate to share and leard with other fellow hounds.
To get started, my comments on the recent messages:
588:
Someone questioned a foreigner getting into the A rows (I believe there are two of these) I've been many times, never more than 70,000. Quoted 200 once, I turned and walked, she called back at 70. Skip the ajumas but there are gems to be found in the side streets.
Yongsan:
Agree that most A rows won't go, or are really expensive. Did get lucky one morning aroun 8AM for 50 on the A row, and she was a 12!!! Only once. Yongsan is usually not worth the time.
Miari:
Never a problem but I don't like the place.
Itaewon HH:
This place really depends on your mood. If you are looking for just sex, go ahead and negotiate down as low as possible, skip the drinks and whatever. Go straight for it.
I personally find it quite enjoyable to sit in the bar, play around a little (or alot), buy a couple drinks (her and me, sometimes others), and prowl the neighborhood. Money is not an issue with me. If I'm going to HH, I plan on spending a bit. Luckily, very rarely has this been exploited by any of the girls.
Sex in the bar/booths is fun, unless the girl keeps looking around. I make a point of getting the girl naked as soon as possible to discourage gettting up for more drinks or talking with mamasan. Once they are in the buff for awhile, they seem to relax a little. If not, move on.
I've had my favorites over the years and some of them have come in surprising places. Check around and you might be surprised. Some of my favorites were good for sex, some for other pleasures, some wouldn't do much, and one actually wouldn't do hardly anything. Depends on the mood. I knew one chick who was actually a owner/manager of a place that would hang out, have a few drinks and gropes, then kick me out the door to get laid someone else. Pretty hot, too.
My advice, spend some time, stroll around, have a few drinks if need be in various places.
If all fails, get to everyone's old standby, the Tiger Tavern. Blowjobs guaranteed, without asking and no extra charge other than drinks. If you want more, don't believe what they say, it IS available in the bar.
I'm curious as to everyone's favorites. Can this list be started?
I know this si the Seoul forum, but I'm new to this site and asked at the other places formum about Kunsan. If anyone could give me some info I would appreciate it. I will be there in March and heard that many places there are off limits to military. How are the prices, where are theplaces and what are the races of the girls. I'm looking for filipinas. Thanks.
aight, nothing personal against the people on this forum, I didn't mean to stir up some controversy. I guess you are right, people have differernt tastes. Robert Deniro only goes after black girls and all you guys are into chinky *****s. I aint got no problem with that. It's all cool. But man, If I were a chinkity gooky nigga as someone suggested, I'd probably be scared to look in the mirror.
Game over..
A few questions if you don't mind..
miari, why don't you like it???
588 , ok you have been offered sex there, was it the A row entrance to the redlight. cars, girls, people!!! or was it in the side streets , how many times have you been refused?... how offen do you go? do you always get laid when you go?
have you been refused? what times do you go??
main road I find impossible..especially near the front entrance, too many eyes, and the girls couldn't lower themselves in front of the sisters by taking us... and too many koreans walking...so tell me your secret..cheers
lighter9000
I was not insulted at all, constructive criticism, debate, and learning new ways is what this board is all about. I try not to be too cynical about this hobby and like to keep an open mind. My way may work or it may not for others…let me know if it is not so I can go tweak and make it better or patch the loopholes- It is geared for the person that wants to get the best bang for his buck…that can be objective or subjective. I merely think of sex in terms…free or not free (how much… the closer to free the happier), …the good, bad, and the ugly, and how much of it I can get.
I tend to have a high sex drive…I have a wife, girlfriend(s), and still like to play with new or a variety of women. I really don’t need to go to RLD, HH, or MP. But the adventurous guy that I am, I just like to do it. Having obligations (home or corp.) like many others here you have to keep the expenses as low and discrete as possible to avoid questions and for the single guys to try and save money. And for the guys that seem to have bottomless bank accounts how about sharing the wealth…give us a high paying job or buy us all some tang don’t spoil the hookers.
Lighter9000, I agree with you, for gems there are exceptions to the rule(s) especially when you break them…he, he, he. It still is an investment of some sort and as you are willing to pay extra for added comfort or security myself will analyze the comfort level… if it doesn’t feel right I walk. I take in consideration of my sexual needs as it arises. If my desires are getting met to my satisfaction then the less I spend now and use later. I love quality but I also need quantity (I try and maintain as close to high standards as possible, like the sign says “ no dogs allowed “ unless they have an awesome body then I can buy a bag to cover her head).
Many areas all around Korea quote or charge different prices according to the situation. We can understand that…that is why I try to negotiate the lowest prices. I am getting more gems at a lower price that is all. The other point that I consider is the time value factor. Many of the women will limit your time or get in a rush (typical business sense) to make more from the next guy that walks in. For that reason I tend not to really part from my money so easy. It would be different if the women gave the same time and service for everyone however every man has their own time span and money controls the woman’s emotional greed so personal service doesn’t play a big part as the time does in the equation generally.
Lastly, I do the math. At the prices we pay, these women/clubs are making a killing off our simple but great desires. Even at the lower rates that I have been paying lately. I am not sure what percentage the women get, but my guess is that if they just work there, they might only make maybe 30% (just a guess) of what they bring in off of drinks. Anything behind the curtain or in a booth, well probably only a portion of that is getting disclosed, the other tucked, and she gets the kickback of the regular percentage amount of the disclosed portion. If she takes you to her place she may get all…but I am unsure with the break down for these women. It would be interesting to know.
Like my example, even for the average 15 minute fling in the booth at the discounted price of 50,000 won is still 200,000 won (approx. $160 USD) per hour. Double it if your paying 100,000 = 400,000 won (approx. $320 USD) per hour. Even if you average it through the busy and slow times, the suckers and the discount shoppers, and the club percentage and the private entertainment at her home/hotel/other, it is still likely to be close to 200,000 – 260,000 per hour on average when they are working. So they are still making money. I am basing these figures solely upon what I think they are charging the average guy I have no data to back it up other than my personal experience and what has been stated on forum boards.
Seoulman
I understand what you are saying about the “Hill” but look if they set the prices there then they have to change the whole area.
They would have to bring “A” row women in along with the pimps/muscle, change the look of the hill, put more restrictions on the people allowed in like the RLD, and most of the “A” row type girls would still have attitudes.
The other bad deal would be that the negotiating would be limited for different services. See a lot of these places are giving almost free HJ’s and BJ’s (buy the drinks) deal. Like lighter9000 and I we negotiate are sex prices within our comfort level, where as if there are set prices we would be limited in negotiations. In the RLD’s even I can’t get much lower than the posted price where on the “Hill” there is better opportunities to get a freebie or a really discounted price. I don’t think that happens much in the RLD’s if at all unless your dropping some major $$$ consistently but even then it really is not a freebie because you have to continue to go back an spend a lot where as on the “Hill” you could probably swing into a deal with limited trips and softer on the wallet.
The last point should also be recognized, if you set prices on all of this then you screw the end consumer “us”…it is exactly like the regulation and deregulation of certain goods and services except in this case there will not be price caps there will be price floors (minimums) on everything. So everyplace you go you will pay a higher expense, probably poorer quality, and poorer service because the drive for competition is hindered due to the lack of making extra money. That is also one reason RLD’s “A” row girls have crappy attitudes everything offered you can get for the same price 1 step away. You don’t see them rejoicing to any great level even when the Koreans come through. To them its just another 70,000 won with the same lousy percentage.
Where on the “Hill” everything can be negotiated down. It is up to you and your negotiating ability to get what you want for the best price.
I would like to address your “why hook theory”.
1) Just because you may drop 10,000 – 20,000 won per drink doesn’t mean the woman receives a large percentage of that. Maybe 30% (just a guess) the rest goes to the house. Just for an example she will get 3,000 won ($2.50 USD) per each 10,000 ($8.30 USD) drink. She would have to sell 40 drinks at 10,000 won each just to earn $100.00 USD. Each girl would have to sell 40 drinks each just to earn that…. I don’t even see that much “people traffic” up there for them to sell that much each. Even on a payday weekend for the military or regular workers they don’t look that busy. I still see many of the women sitting in the doorways on the busiest weekends. That is why they hook… they are not making money if they don’t give up the kitty…that is what brings the customers back to the bar…mamasan has known this for hundreds of years and is probably being generous by even giving 30%.
When is the last time you went to a place filled with women and came home that night saying “Wow!!! That was a great place to have a lot of fun blowing my money on women that I don’t know on overpriced drinks. What a bunch of swell ladies maybe I will go there every night and empty my wallet on them…it is better than getting laid”. Hopefully never, pussy hungry guys like us would never except that BS. We tend to go to places where the odds are in our favor on getting laid. Mamasan could careless what the girls are doing or what gets sold as long as she seems to get a cut of the money. On the other hand, the girls know that they not going to get squat unless they give up the kitty and stash some cash. It is no different than being a waitress in the states the principles are the same but the service is different. They get minimum wage per se for doing what they are doing all tips are extra.
That is why they give up the kitty for us.
Seoul Man,
Things I don't like about Miari
Dark, covered alleyways,
Fishbowl point of purchase standard (as opposed to the individual windows 1,2,3 girls in each) makes meel feel uncomfortable, don't know why
Standard of girl is lower, in my experience.
Sex on a mat in a closet (Miari) vs. being in the girls bedroom (588). Lots of little personal effects, toys, pictures, etc make the experience nicer.
While having food is good, seems a little inappropriate to me to suck down noodles late at night in a ***** corridor
Having said that, I have had good experiences but it is low in my priority list.
588
I'll qualify by saying that it has been awhile (1 year?) since I've been out there so things may have changed.
I would consider 588 to have 2 main rows. One is wide and one is narrow. I say they are both Main because the quality is the same. I have been accepted numerous times in both, by the hottest ladies you will see. Of course, I've been rejected too but accepted more often than not.
I've gone at all hours, can't really say when I've had the best experiences.
Keys to success? First, I speak Korean. Second, I am young and attractive (don't mean movie star but well dressed, well groomed, fit, etc)
Biggest key: DON'T shop too much. Many people will say "take your time, look around and choose the best." This works in Itaewon, where they are targeting foreigners, but not 588.
I used to go and stroll up and down the rows, looking for the hottest chick. I figured, as long as I'm paying, I'm going all out. It is a luxury to be taken advantage of.
Whoring in Korea is not a luxury and nobody looks at it this way. The girls will not respond well to you if they see you ogling past them more than once or twice. Look once and make a choice. Good memory is key, even if you've been drinking.
This was told to me by one of the girls, she said "Nobody here wants to take you because they think you are too picky and a little creepy, perverted." Only because I walked through a couple times. Oh, these girls all know each other and the talk, from one house to the next. They will often switch houses as well so your favorite might be across the street.
Of course, best way is to find a favorite and go back. I know we all like variety but I knew one that would throw freebies in, go two shots, bring a friend, etc just because she knew me.
Korea girls often have either a curiosity or a distaste for foreign men. The also like simple "funniness." If you can capitalize on the curiosity and show some fun and humor in your approach,
you'll probably have some good success.
Pretty general stuff but hope this helps.
game over
I went to Itaewon tonight to visit the Venus club on the hill. Specifically, to check out whether Mindy really is "the best yet." She has a good sense of humor, a gamer's attitude, and really sucks the cock quite well. Wants too much money initially but the blowjob I received was definitely worth W100,000. I'll be back.
She reads this board too.
how can you say 100.000 is worth it??
NOWAY!!
tiger tavern doesn't even charge that much, and they suck the best cock in itaewon, technique is down pat!..
100.000 should have included sex...
sorry Seoul, you get ripped!! she played you!
the average price for BBBJ on the HIll is 40-60 and the girls know it!!!!
never pay anymore it just adds to inflation!!!
I have been to Dinasty hotel last night, quite disappointed by the service...180000won for 40 minutes short massage, BJ and sex. The girl was not very smily and seemed not to be in a good mood.
Do you know where is the best place to get a high level service ?
[b] [color=Red] [size=5] You can get pussy for 50,000 ~70,000 won don’t over pay!!!!! On the “Hill” [/size][/color][/b]
It is amazing!!! Paying 100,000 won for a BJ…you got to be kidding. You think that is a deal…it probably is a handshake BJ. You know where they jerk you off for 90% of the BJ then blow your wad into toilet paper while jerking you off to finish it. Even if was a great BJ you still overpaid…to “Mindy” at the Venus club curse you for overcharging …but since you hooked someone into paying too much well guess you just got lucky… I hope no one else pays that much.
Some of the posters here are making me cry…why, why, why, why, is everyone so insistent on paying to much for these services…?????
I have read posts not only from this board but others also. I am amazed at what I read about that so-called “great deal” or “I didn’t mind leaving a huge tip because she “tickled me fancy” but the service was expensive and I am broke ”. What ever your excuse is for overpaying is a joke and it is just an excuse. “She did extra”, “it was worth every penny”, or “it was a once in a lifetime” these are bullshit excuse’s for the reality of getting suckered into overpaying. These excuse only become non-excuses when you did not over pay when she did extra then it was worth every penny and it then became a once in a lifetime experience. What is going through your minds when you pay about $80.00 USD for a BJ. You can still get a great real BJ for $20 USD in the US and free here with a purchase package (by a drink deal).
What is even sadder is that people still insist on paying above USA prices for pussy in a 3rd or 2nd world country. Come on you guys…. what are you doing???? What are you thinking???
Look everyone wants a deal on great pussy with all the bells and whistles type service…who doesn’t? But wouldn’t it be a better deal if you could get more of the same deal? People in general are greedy in some way. Many men crave the wonderful sex, variety, and other pursuits of happiness. But I also know that people like it when great things are inexpensive. Since most of the posters here frequent pro’s or of the like, wouldn’t it be great if you could get more for less?
I tend to use simple math to support my point. If one is able to get the service that he wanted for half or less of what he was expected to pay one would say that he got a deal. Since we can say we got pussy for this or that price, many of us may include that we got a deal. But you only get a good deal when you know you are paying less than the going rate or that you paid the same price as the next guy so you didn’t get ripped off.
So here is the math if one pays 50,000 won for great sex (what ever your expectation for great sex/service/etc is) but he thought that he would have to pay more so he had 150,000 won to spend. Wouldn’t it be a better experience if you could enjoy a similar experience 2 more times?
I just don’t understand why some of the posters here think that they had a great deal when they are over-paying. Granted there are the “once in a life time experiences” but why over pay for it???
I know that some think that I may be a “Cheap Charlie”….he, he, he..from the (lighter )side (lol). But my intentions are not to insult anyone’s intelligence; it is only to raise awareness that great pussy here can be purchased at a much lower cost then what some are paying.
Just to inform the people that may question the prices mentioned…read a previous post by me with how I do it...then go and try it…results will vary no doubt but stick with your game plan and don’t get suckered. I think that many of you guys are getting out negotiated by some of these girls. Accepting the first few price out of there mouths or believing that is the lowest they can go because what?? They said so…that is BS. Look these ladies need to make money and that is fine however don’t let them out negotiate you. Even if you are a poor negotiator you can accomplish this…just stick to your negotiating price limits.
My final thought is if everyone started offering way lower prices and walking away from some of the pussy (not easy), you can get it for a lower price. I am not saying that we have to boycott or go with out pussy but informing the pro’s that we are not paying the high prices. They will earn their money from the other suckers out there so don’t be a sucker. But if you find a sucker let him know to stick to the lower prices next time. Lastly if the Korean nationals are getting “A” row quality pussy for 70,000 won then we should be able to get the same deal or cheaper for non- “A”- row quality. Even for an overnighter you should not have to pay more than 160,000 ~ 200,000 won. The cheapest overnighter I had been 125,000 won. She was not a dog, not fat, or old.
Went to the Hill, Paradise club,(top of hill) Girl wanted $230 for sex. Paid 40,000 for two drinks for her and my two beers and left. Did fool around with her a bit. The girl had a good attitude but seriously thought she was entitled to the $230.
Next went to Log Cabin, Yu Mi although young looked sort of old. Good tight Bod, paid 100,000 for sex in the booth. She was enthusaistic and did a great job. A little disconcerting as the other girls walk buy the booth to go to the bathroom. Hard to concentrate. Next time, discovered we could have gone to her room for the same price.
Next night inadvertently walked into a free lancer on the sidewalk near Cheers out on the main drag. Julie, was young, sort of studious looking and really likes sex. Went to a cheap Korean hotel and for 50,000 won fucked her brains out. She tried without a condom and I would not let her.Seemed a little disraught about something and wanted to come with me. (don't think that Mama would understand.
Tried an experiement. Went out to Yongsan early in the morning (6AM) when there would be no other customers and no other revenue stream for the girls. I'm thinking that maybe the A row would be willing since they would have no other opportunity.
It has happened in the past but not this time. Got the usual walk away from the window, waving off of hands, "no", whatever.
Oh, well, have to use the other alternatives.
To the fellow with the bad Dynasty experience, I'm sorry. That is usually one of my favorites and I'm sad to hear that maybe the service is going down.
Note of advice: I had a girl with a bad attitude at the Dynasty once. Asked to change the girl. She tried to argue her staying, tried to improve her attitude but I wouldn't have it. She got pissed and left.
Next one in was GREAT!! Hot, young tail. Fun attitude, extra long time. She was planning on going to SF to work in the AMPs over there. Everyone in SF should be so lucky.
game over
One of the best things about a free-market economy is it allows for the exchange of goods and/or services between a willing seller and a *willing buyer*. In other words, if the price seems fair to me then it is, in fact, fair. I agree that W100,000 is perhaps on the high side for a blow job, but in all honesty I have paid W400,000 for a far worse blow job at a room salon and still had a good time.
Tiger Tavern is good too. The same W100,000 (or W130,000 if I'm feeling spendy) often buys a fuck there.
Gameover, what was the name of your massage girl at the Dynasty?
man this country is crazy!!!
180.000 at the dy~Nasty!!
dayam! and he only got 40minutes
come on, this is a joke..
100.000 for BBBJ, 20,000 for lady drinks, rejection by *****s at youngsan, bet they weren't rejecting back in the 50"S.
or even pre 88 games!!
now look at them...
sex on the hill they want 200BUCKS!
300 bucks..500 bucks..
spend 1 million won in roomsalon for some converstaion whiskey drinks..
MAN!!
now here we go...
what the hell has gotten into these girls minds..they ain't models working out of VEGAS!
for 200bucks US..I can get a glamous model in VEGAS..ASIAN, european, AMerican don't matter..that kind of money no woriries...
these girls, as much as I love asian girls, korean girls..they should not be demanding, they should feel insulted to even ask for 200-300 dollars, of coursr the less attractive ones, who are 30"s settle for 100.000, is still bullshit!
why do we have to pay any different than korean men pay, and they get to fuck the young 21 year old tall hot chicks we get left over HH sluts. for 200 bucks a nut!!
no way, and they rush you!!
bulloCKS!!!
people that pay 300.000 won for sex should be shot!!!
thats almost a plane ticket to thailand off peak season, lash out another 300.000 you be shagging girls for a week all night, with out the bullshit attuide, where they think they are doing us a favor!!!!
Thai girls feel apreseative when you give them money, Korean girls are pissed its not more!!!
still no point bitching this aint thailand, its not PI..but still, it aint VEGAS either, so why are HH sluts acting like they are pornstars!!! just greedy bitches, who think they have power...
man picky hookers!! thats one for the memoir huh...
even on 9/11 when the hill was dead for like a month, the girls didn't drop the prices they raised them, of course no one went! how retarded is that..
problem is there are too many rich businessman with FAT expense accounts who don't really give a shit about paying 20.000 for a lady drink in a more upscale juicy bar for conversation, SUCKERS!!
then the hill they charge the same but put out a bit for it,
never pay with credit cards, becuause they add way more drinks than you acually had, and when you dispute it, they say no no you drank you not know..BULLSHIT I DONT KNOW!!! just shows they have no respect for them selves or you!!!
personally I hate most korean hookers!
and the hill is for special nights when I am showing friends in from out of town, I have had enough of them, lying, cheating, dishonest, rude, and think they are gods gift...
but I agree with slow n easy..
dont OVER PAY!...
Have to chime in here...
Guys come on.. regardless of what you told yourself afterward, 180 at the Dynasty and 100k for a BBBJ on Hooker Hill is a serious rip-off.
I know when you're horny you just wanna get some but you really got think stuff through. I know its hard, I've been on the hill numerous times, when this pretty young thing is chatting me up and has me almost thinking that "yeah, 200k for you is a good deal.
Best thing to do is get your head on straight before you go trolling for poon. Decide what you're going to spend and stick with it. For me, on the hill, its a maximum of 100k for FS... I don't buy BJ's... but if I did I wouldn't go for more than 40k in Itaewon, if for the only reason that a short cab-ride away I can get FS for 50k-60k in Yongsan.
Hate to sound preachy... but really, when you're paying WAY TOO much, you're doing yourself a disfavor and it has nothing to do with market forces.
Cheers.
I'm not sure how it is in Korea, but every where else in the world I've been I know one thing, these girls will charge you based on your appearance as well. These are the type of variables that can make a difference between one guy paying $40 for a BJ and the next paying double that. If you go in there all skanky looking or you do not practice good hygiene, expect to pay higher prices than a guy who goes in clean cut and well groomed. Think about it for a moment. If you were a prostitute, would you charge differently for a Jennifer Lopez (we can only dream) than you would for a Rosanne Barr? I know Rosanne would have to pay me some serious coin before I stuff my face between her thighs! So the next time you hear of big discrepencies in pricing consider the source and think what you would have charged.
About the Dynasty:
I rarely get the names. Don't know why but maybe because I like the variety of someone new each time. I do remember one, though.
One time, I had a girl named Na Young. This was my first time. I went in on a Saturday afternoon. Led to the room, pay the cash (160 then, prices have gone up) take off my shoes and socks, light up a smoke and wait on the couch.
About 15 minutes go by before Na Young comes in. She's dressed like a nice Apkujong girl, pretty sundress, sunglasses pulling her hair back, high heels, etc. Beautiful face, looks good so far.
She says hello, asks me to undress, gets a toothbrush ready, and starts up a hot bath. When I sit down in the bath, she leaves the room for about 5 minutes. Comes back, gives me a cigarette while I soak and she goes back out to the main room.
I love watching the girls undress while I'm in the tub so I turn to check her out. She pulls off her dress, nothing at all underneath. FINE body!!! Pulls her hair on top of her head and comes in to talk to me in the tub.
Get out and get the scrub down all over. Dry off and lay on the bed for massage.
Na Young climbs on top, naked, with no towel between us and gives a great massage for about 30 minutes. When she's done with the massage, out comes the lotion for the body scrubdown. Always wonderful. Cleans off the lotion and gives me the kiss and lick all over, including the lovely and very thorough rimjob.
Moves over to the BBBJ for a few minutes, then climbs on top. Rides for awhile then rolls over and I get on top. We went at it for about 20 minutes, no complaints, no "hurry", she's either loving it or doing a great acting job.
When we're done, we lie down, smoke a few cigs, she plays with my bone and body and talk. Another shower and I'm on my way.
I'm somewhat of a regular and the desk girls knows me (I want to nail her skinny butt). Always brings me a different girl. Rarely dissapointed.
I've only had one that was not attractive, and one with a bad attitude.
200 on the hill is too much I agree. Yes, you can get cheaper at a RLD. But, from my experience, the Dynasty is well worth the 180. You say you can get that in the states. So what!! The girls I've been with at Dynasty are model/actress/Playboy fine. On par or better than the A rows at Yongsan/588. The quality of the girls and quality of service make it well worth it. I wouldn't pay that in Itaewon ( I have but we all make mistakes.)
If you're looking for quick, cheap fucking, go as cheap as you can go. Dynasty for me is a relaxing sexual experience, not just fucking. I'll spend the 180. If you all follow the advice to not pay that much, then I'll pick up the spoils.
By the way, this is what the Korean guys pay.
GAmEOVER!!
nice story dude...
so then you pay for a 30minute massage
then as long as you can go for???
is it possible to nut off twice?
do you pay for time or just score?
because I like to come twice, once with a bbbj all over her, and then I need about 10 minutes or so to get up again, eat pussy will help that, then I want to finish from behind hammering her...
will that be ok dude??
can you tell us abit about how it works in there...
thank dude...
[b][size=4][color=red]i still cannot believe what i am reading about the "hill". [/b][/size][/color]
granted a free market offers some great things¡¦allows for the exchange of goods and/or services between a willing seller and a *willing buyer*¡¦
i am a willing buyer from a willing seller for a fair price¡¦ also knowing that the market price should be around that fair price not per se always what i consider a fair price.
the point is not about whether or whether not you feel ¡°spendy¡± what kind of bs is that. if you are going to feel ¡°spendy¡±, spend it on a bj, getting laid, or an all nighter a second time around or another night. what are you thinking??????
these women will tell you whatever you want to hear to make you think that they cannot go lower¡¦it is all bs they are just trying to get the most money they can from the consumer. and even if you felt she deserves extra based on good service/attitude it doesn¡¯t mean give her extra¡¦that is bs also¡¦here in korea the tip is already included in the service. so that means what ever she agreed on is what you give her and no extra, even if she made you feel like a king or calls you a ¡°cheap charlie¡±.
i have gone back to the same girls on the hill and have always negotiated the price that has been consistent between all of them and have never given them a tip¡¦although once in a while one may try but i will not hear any of that noise. when i return to the same girl that tried to get a tip¡¦i still negotiate the same price and still never give her a tip. in fact i don¡¯t even buy them drinks because that is also bs.
honestly guys¡¦who cares if she drop dead gorgeous or butt ass ugly¡¦there is no reason to pay any extra for her if you don¡¯t have to. some of you guys make me laugh so hard¡¦there are some of you that will overspend on tang almost all the time but for other product/services at the market you will haggle over a dollar or two just to say you got a bargain. whatever you bought at the market will most likely last longer than the time you spent with the girl and it probably costs a whole lot less. pussy is the same thing it is a service sold at a market it can be negotiated just the same.
with pussy though it really plays with your emotions. why? because you want to get laid¡¦it is also when you let your little head to all the thinking rather your big head. yes she could be the greatest thing since sliced bread, she sounds sweeter than the most pleasant melody you ever heard (tells you whatever you want to hear), she rubs you in all the right places, oh she looks so tasty that you would drink her own [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] from her sweaty old shoe if she asked you too because she was so irresistible, and you would still overpay her because she says she can¡¯t go any lower because of ever excuse in the world. worst of all she knows this.
wake up and smell the coffee¡¦you¡¯re not marrying the ***** (i know she is a person and has feelings¡¦yada, yada, yada¡¦and she needs to make a living and all that other sensitive bs you want to reply with¡¦she has a choice to do or not to do this type of work) ¡¦bottom line is that you are just having sex with her. it does not matter how you boil the water it always boils at the same temp.
SLOW N EASY!!
I am sure many girls tell you to fuck off on the HILL though..
alot of girls wont even have sex, they only want drinks, others wont go under 100.000 they will just say no and walk back inside RIGHT???
the girls you are doing are the ugly ones, not so hot ones I BET!
I have been on the hill for three years am now 27, and good looking and in good shape, alot the girls tell me 150, 200 what ever stupid price, I say no no 80, or 100 they say NO and walk away, or I approach them and say how much , she say 20.000 you buy me drink, I say, NO NO I know care about drink, how much SEX, I am no sex...and then again walks inside...
or have been inside, bought a drink then asked for sex, they say no I don't do sex. or ok 300.000 sex , I say what! come on get real, they say you know want then leave!!
as much as you want to come on this board and tell us how fucked we are whatever, fact is these girls are not all for sale, and some of them are tough salesmen,
I want you to be honest know, and tell us all the times you got rejected, told to hit the street, get lost etc...
because I know it's happened to you..
tell us dude...
P.S I am not making a personaly attack toward you, just want to hear your stories regarding the negative..
thanks dude..
Whoah, Seoulman, slow down!!
Dynasty, and other hotel Turkey/Steam Bath, Sports Massage places are fairly straight forward. You are paying for the whole package and I have never tried to break it down into its parts. You pay, girl comes in, you get a bath, massage, oil massage/body scrub, blowjob, sex, another shower, and gone. (order and completeness of the package varies. Some don't do the bath, only the scrub down. Others will skip the real massage and go straight the oil. Don't be demanding, just go with the program.)
If you double-nut, you'll pay extra, probably double. Only once has a girl offered to go again for no charge. Actually, I think she felt sorry for me because I blew about 1 minute into the BJ (whoops!! it happens, though)
All covered, except sometimes the BJ. I've heard that many Korea guys get more bareback but intercourse is always covered, no matter the nationality, so I've heard. I highly doubt that you would be able to blow on her tits. They try to hold a classy image and that just doesn't cut it.
If you don't like the girl, you can ask to change. Unfortunately, you cannot "pick" the girl but this adds a little fun to the game. I haven't had too much bad luck so don't worry about it too much. Also, don't send them back too often. One time, 1st girl was bad, sent her back. 2nd was worse, tried to send her back and she said I could only do that once. I argued and only when I demanded my money back did they switch girls again.
This is based on the Dynasty. There are others and I'm sure they all have their little differences. For example, I went to the Green Grass Hotel near Seollung station the other day. After all the massages and rub downs, the girl insists they only do handjobs on foreigners. I argued this based on the fact that I had fucked many times at the same place. She called the manager and got the OK because they recognized me. When I left, the manager told me that when I come in, I should make sure to make clear I want sex (I would think this was assumed)
There are now many barber shops that have showers and massages behind secret doors. This is an upgrade from the other stories and worries about sex at the barber shops. You'll get a brief massage in the chair, then they will take you to back room with massage table and shower head. I've found these places to be a little more liberal with the nastiness so you might want to try them if you want to blow your load all over the place.
Before the Lions Sauna closed up, I used to go over there for a double- (some days triple!) nut special all the time. But I was a regular and had a special girl. She was anal-friendly, which is rare in Korea. The basic price was W140,000 and I would regularly tip another W30,000. It was all bareback and full-course: BBBJ, 69, pussy fuck, mutual rim-jobs, and balls-deep nice-n-slow buttfuck. She had a clean, tight ass (must've used an enema when she was out of the room or something) and would suck my cock straight out of her ass. I would usually spend about 90 minutes with her and we would go [b]straight[/b] for the fucking. I think she must have been as in to me as I was in to her.
A few times we had a two-girl engagement and it was just as hot, although she wouldn't let me fuck her ass when the other girl was in the room.
I would usually go once a week. God, I miss the Lions Sauna.
Slow n Easy, who are the girls on the Hill who will let you fuck their ass, and how much should we pay for that?
[b][size=4]The "Hill" [/size] [/b]
Seoulman-It is undisputable that I do get rejection. Everyone does. However one thing that many should realize about how helpful the rejection can be at certain times. If a girl tells you she does not have sex, fine “see ya, have a nice day". However be polite with her because it may only be a matter of repetition before she says yes. Mere politeness can go along way. Even if they tell me to get the heck out, lost, or go some place else, always thank them for their time and tell them to have a nice day.
I do not shag the ugly ones…just for perspective- I take in account their approximate age and base their looks accordingly. 18~40- If they look good for their age then there is always a potential chance that I may try to negotiate something. However it is also good to know what the maximum age you willing to deal with, for me approximately 40 yrs old base on looks always. I also believe that the average age falls between 25-35 with the more on the high end than on the low end. (Just a note- personal preference is different for everyone so, Seoulman what you consider hot, one may consider just average or vice verse.)
Seoulman-just from reading your post in response to mine, you may have already lost on your negotiation. The first thing that I think is in error is when you say no,no 80,000 or 100,000…right there you have just set your minimum…and she is winning on the negotiation at that price because it is still higher than the RLD “A" row girl. The second mistake that is made is that you went inside and bought drinks and tried to negotiate…you lose again because those drinks add to you final price if you actually negotiate sex…and if you cannot negotiate sex they still win because they got you to buy some drinks and they did not have to provide sex. Your presentation may need some fine tuning also. try to be polite, don’t get pushy or desperate, be confident about your statements on price in other areas, remind them that RLD girls are of better quality/attitude/willingness, and don’t be afraid to walk away from a deal or get rejected. Lastly, not everything is based on looks, although it helps to be clean cut, have good hygiene, and have a decent appearance. The right attitude in addition to good negotiating skills is key.
Just a note-don’t over dress for the “hill" the richer you look the higher the prices seem to be…go casual…shorts or jeans…but don’t go looking like a slob.
As you may already know that sad but true fact some of those women think that they are gold plated, god gifts to mankind, and think that what they say is the rule. But what they don’t realize is that there is just as good piece of ass right down the street. They can talk all they want to one another about what they will charge, how they will lure a sucker in, and the services that they will or will not provide but it always comes down to the mighty green. Bottom line is that if they get rejected enough from men they will change their attitude. The reason why is that they will starve on the percentages that they receive from the bar owner. See they maybe able to sucker the guys that will go there several times and never return, so be it. However it is the return customer that will fill their bank account.
Since it seems that many of the posters that engage in topics such as ours seem to be staying for a while. It is also this information that the business travelers will also look at. Since corporations may have to really look at those accounting practices, I don’t think buying pussy ($300.00 potential customer entertainment cost) is on the expenditure lists that will be reimbursed.
Here is a current story…I have not have been here as long as some, however I know how to play the game especially with these women. I went on the “hill" one day not long ago (about a month ago), when only some places were open, with the advantage of the places opening a little early you can get some sunlight on your subjects. As you know they beckon everyone, pass up any ugly ones, just be nice as you do it as they may introduce you to a cutie. As I was walking past some of the ugly ladies a door swings open and there was about two or three cuties. Since they had nice tight bodies and it seemed that there was potential of having sex, I stopped just out side of the door. The girl that initiated the conversation was pleasant in talk and looks. Of course the offer of “come in and drink" BS was the first thing from her mouth. I politely told her that I am not interested in drinking or buying drinks for her…I told her straight, “All I want is sex and I am not going to pay a lot for it, and I don’t buy any of the ladies drinks so please do not ask". She was polite and said she does not have sex. “Okay thank you for your time, have a nice day hope to see you again, bye" And I walked, as much as I wanted to negotiate and try to haggle some deal for she was hot, I kept on walking. I just had to leave. I went to some other places to try my luck. A day or so later close to the same time I saw the same girl, she actually remembered me but still asked for me to come drink. I gave her a smile and said, “you know what I am looking for, and buying drinks for beautiful ladies is not it" She replies with “yes I know you are only looking for sex" I kept walking on to try my luck elsewhere. Another day or two goes by and I was walking the “hill" again maybe around the same time or little later. Again she pops out of the door and ask the same thing again and I gave her the exact same response and kept walking. However this time she calls me back and asks me some general questions, the why don’t you come in and have one drink type questions you know the ones that only take a minute. I held my ground and told her the exact same thing. Thinking, that she was just trying extra hard to get a drink out of me. So I started to back away and she said, “okay how much"? just to be clear I ask her how much for what"? She replied, “Sex”…now we are talking. I asked her what she was charging; of course it was a large number 200,000 won. I quickly replied to her “you must go a lot lower because I know what I can get sex for around here and at the RLD and it is for a whole lot less" At this point she may have realized she does not have much of an advantage to get my money unless she drops down the price and still has sex with me. She offers 80,000 won which at this point many of you would have took with out blinking. I said “no way that is still too high they don’t even charge foreigners that much in the RLD" I countered with 40,000 won she says 60,000 and I replied with 50,000 won. “Okay" she says, rather eagerly I must add. So that is why patience is a virtue. Of course, YMMV depending on other factors. However I have been consistent with my negotiations and have been able to get the same price give or take 10,000 won at many places on the “hill".
The key strategies that I use are:[list][*]Play by your negotiating rules not theirs. (Stick with it; you may get some rejection from time to time that is normal)[*]Just state your expectations (All I want is sex, no buying drinks, etc)[*]Try not to state an amount until she is close to your price, and then always lowball your price, let her state the amounts. Example of a recent negotiation with an 8~9 girl dependent upon ones taste- (results can vary from person to person)[/list][list=1][color=blue][*]She- 200,000[/color]
[color=green][*]You-you have to go a lot lower than that, [/color]
[color=blue][*]She- 130,000, [/color]
[color=green][*]You-come on now I know I can get sex around here for a lot cheaper (or you can say “for a quarter of the price" stated if you some quick division and the answer puts it into the 40,000 won range) from an equally attractive woman, [/color]
[color=blue][*]She-then how much, [/color]
[color=green][*]You-listen, I can get it still cheaper around here and in the RLD where the quality/wiliness/attitude of women are a lot higher. [/color]
[color=blue][*]She-how much have you paid? [/color]
[color=green][*]You- well I have had paid as low as 40,000 with attractive women on many occasions. [/color]
[color=blue][*]She- 70,000[/color]
[color=green][*]You- 45,000[/color]
[color=blue][*]She ?60,000[/color]
[color=green][*]You- 50,000[/color]
[color=blue][*]She –“Okay" or she will stick with 60,000 at this point you can decide if you want to hold out for 50,000 telling her that 50,000 is what you pay everywhere else, offer 55,000, or agree to her 60,000. [/color][/list=1][list][*]Don’t go in the bar until you have done all of your negotiating and you know what you are getting and what you agreed on. (Keep your end of the bargain)[*]Don’t buy any drinks for them or yourself through the whole deal. (They will try but always remind them that you don’t buy drinks)[*]If you are going to have sex with her than attempt to keep the money in hands reach until after you have sex. This will have to be negotiated every time give them the reason why. The reason is to make sure they uphold their end of the deal. (That way if it turns out to be something other than sex you can at least bail and cut your loses to a minimum and you won’t have to bluff them with bodily harm or cops, hold them to their end of the deal. Just for the record I have not had any problems with them after negotiations or before/after sex) [*]If they say they “don’t have sex" then thank them and move on don’t waste your time until they have a change of heart (as the night goes by you may get lucky on one of the passes or in a few days).[*]Don’t act desperate even if you are. (They will sense that and will not budge on price)[*]Don’t haggle over a 10,000 won or less difference from the average market amount of about 50,000 won unless she is not as attractive as you would like then YMMV and you could lose the deal. On the bright side is if she was not as attractive then you at least saved your money any you won’t regret not banging an ugly.[*]If she has an ugly face but a “hell of a body" let her BBBJ and do her from behind. (he, he)[/list]
Just because they say no a few times does not mean that they will never have sex with a guy for money. Look at what I did, although I was in need of sex and if I did not keep my head on straight I would have overpaid like many others have. See what many don’t realize and even if you do, is that there is plenty of places that will give you sex for 50,000 won give or take. So if you are trying to score a hot chick on the hill you have to remind them of the reality of things, like the prices that are being charged elsewhere, and the quality. Even if they say go elsewhere or this place is different, they cannot hold out that way for very long. Because the number one reason is that 95% of the girls on the “hill" are not “A" row quality girls so one should never pay more than one would pay in the “B" or “C" row of a RLD (30,000~50,000 won) so they will starve. Two is that 95% of the guys that visit the hill want sex so they have to provide sex at most of these places otherwise there is the potential to lose too much business granted we can always go elsewhere it maybe inconvenient for some but if it gets the point across, so be it.
Hi every one,
I visit Seoul regularly (about every 10 days or every week sometimes) coming from Japan.
I have had several experiences, most of all I must say rather disappointed and expensive. Some, hopefully very satisfying. Either with free lancer pick up at night club, or with youngsters (between 18 and 23) picked up also at night club (mainly at the Hyatt JJ) and believe me free (no charge) and ready for any experiment. Some as low as 80,000 (yes, at the Hyatt. you are right Slow n Easy when you say we must negociate ! It works). Some rather expensive to my taste but including some very nice back action (had to strongly request anyway). I also have tried Dinasty and always have had good experience so far. I also went to Capital Hotel Sport Massage place and have had good, bad and worse (but mainly good).
Tonight I decided to try a telephone number given by a friend of mine who promised me I was going to get a wonderful lady who does body massage in my hotel room. I can tell you friends that I did not really believed him but decided to give a try since I was alone, tired, and horny !
Believe me : I hardly have had before such a good massage.
The girl came to my room, was very friendly, rather cute. She is a tall girl with large breast and smily face, very nice hands and very nice feet. Very well dressed as well but nothing too fancy. I offer her a drink. She took water only. And she asked me to undress while she was preparing the bed for the massage.
Massage was absolutely fantastic. It was swedish with oil. Real technique. The girl is a real massager and really excels in doing this.
It lasted for 1 full hour. She used oil, rubbed my back, my legs, my breast, Cleaned me completely with warm towels, etc. At the end she asked me if I wanted to sleep or to get some extra. I told her that I wanted extra and she started to very gently caress my penis. She used oil and rimmed my lower parts and massaged very slowly my balls. She did it very nicely and warmly for about 15mn, getting me in a state to leave a Chimp ashamed of himself. Then she started to masturbate me very gently, very softly and then more quickly but still very softly till she made me exploding in the air. Man, that was good. And I told her. She was very pleased I liked her technique and I told her that I would like some more. She asked whether I was asking for full service and I said why not. She then asked if I had a condom and said that it would be a bit more expensive but would worth it she promised. Unfortunately I had no condom !. So she politely declined but proposed very kindly (and did it) to caress me once more. She made me came a second time. Incredible attitude. So GFE. So nice and soft. She speaks a perfect English and explained my that she is professional massager but gets extra money this way and enjoys it. But she told me that she does not perform sexual massage to persons that she does not feel confident with. So she asked not to recommand her to people I would not be sure of.
All in all, massage + massage again + talk, she spent about 2 hours in my room. And she kissed me good bye !
Guys, it costed me 90,000 Won for a real extraordinary real massage (not a stupid touch touch) [this is the same as any Hotel Regular Massage service cost] + 20,000 Won for the extra. Yes you read it well. 20,000 Won. Incredible. And she said that full service would be 200,000 Won. That is including 90,000 of a real professional massage ! So only 110,000 Won more that just the massage. Unbelievable I know !
I asked her to come and visit me tomorrow and she said she will.
She works from 10h00 a.m. to 1h00 in the morning.
For those who are interested and would like a try, you can contact me here and leave your request with your e-mail address or phone number. I shall come back to you with her phone number. If anthing valuable in return either in Seoul or Tokyo, I shall appreciate. Not a condition though.
Wolf.
To Wolf,
Would appreciate your contact, please send me an e-mail:
agoodfellahk@yahoo.com
and ill be willing to see what i can offer in info.
regards
Wolf
Please also provide me with the info. My email is
charlie007_svn@yahoo.com
thanks.
Hope this massage girl is as good as you say. Guess I'd like to find out ... email [email]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email] please.
Wolf:
Please email me with the info, as I will be visiting for the first time in about a month. My email is tm007_20057@yahoo.com
To Wolf and everybody else:
I just read through most of the posts on this board, and they are very informative. Often times boards can off on tangents that have nothing to do with sex! Thanks for all the valuable information here and for keeping it real. I hope to be able to add to the knowledge found here.
Cingleman
SeoulSurvior
I would guess that for many of these women that anal is uncharted waters. Many of them may not even allow you to try it if they really do not know you well enough. I had one lady let me do anal on her because she was on the rag, however let me tell why she let me do it.
I was cruising the "Hill" and stop to negotiate some poon. Was able to get her down to 40,000...thinking that I got the better end of the bargain. She locks up the place and we head to the booth...I quickly noticed that she was wearing panties...which is okay...however in my touchy feely time I notice a bulge so I had to make sure what I was dealing with. I turned her around and told her to take of her panties. She was reluctant at first however I made it very clear to her if she was not a woman that it would not be a very pleasant experience swallowing her teeth. She dropped them down and there was a big rag pad. After that I asked her what the heck this is...You brought me in here to have sex while your on the rag...hell no..I am taking my money and leaving. She pleaded some and even got to the point of begging. I told her that I did not like a bloody mess and if she wanted to do it so bad that she would have let me do her in the ass. I really am not much of a ass player however I was upset at the fact she was not telling me the whole deal...I was very clear to her about how she made a bad deal. So she agreed, I told her that I would be gentle with her. Which I was. I think that because she screwed the deal was the only reason that I got that for that price. After I was done and cleaned up. I had to ask her if she likes to have sex that way...she said she has only done it a couple of times and really does not offer it as a opition. She said that some girls will do it but it is extra in price...she said around 20,000~50,000 depending upon the person and other factors.
My guess is that you would have to ask some of the ladies first and see what your response is. If that is not successful then take a small tube of ky with you and when your fucking, lube up you finger and give it a nice slow slide in. If she allows that one finger in then gently move it around so she gets use to something being in there. If she is responsive to that then go for two fingers to allow her ass to stretch. If she still is responsive to that then probe a third. If she allows the third finger in most likely she will let you do her in the ass. You can attempt to ask her after the second finger however she may be reluctant. The if she says yes take it slow because you still have to get the head in which is usually the make it or break it point. They can still back out if you push too hard let her go back on her own with you guiding her. Once in just let her do the work until she gets used to it.
Go back to the same girl for second and third swing so she becomes comfortable with it.
That is my input for the anal seekers. Happy hunting..
Slow n Easy... which club was the W40,000 girl? You can e-mail me directly.
New to the scene and want to thank everyone who has posted their stories here for the valuable information. I visit Seoul regularly and as novice as I am, I like to have more detail information on the following places, please:
1. Barber Shops: Where in Gangnam area (please be specific) can I get a good FS at a reasonable price?
2. Strip and Karaoke Places: Where in Gangnam area can I get a girl in the room, drink, sing and get her naked, etc. for some good time at a reasonable price?
3. Call Girls or Massage at Hotel Room: Can anyone suggest some contact info for me to call next time I visit Seoul? How much do they charge?
4. Night Clubs: Where can I pick up some nice chicks and bring them back to the hotel room for some fun action at a reasonable price?
5: Massage Parlors: Where are they and how much do they charge for how long?
6. Hang Out Buddy: I am looking for a hangout American buddy who can join me for some fun and expert advice during my next Seoul visit. Drinks on me for your help. If you prefer to tell me in priviate, let me have your email address so that I can write to you. Thank you in advance for the information.
Anal on the Hill:
First Class Club: In the history of the place, there were probably only 2 attractive girls that ever worked there. One was a real little cutie, about 20, lots of fun. After a few beers, we went to "the apartment." Mutual oral, mutual rimming, covered intercourse, covered anal (didn't need to ask, just went with the flow) and blew my load all over her face. All total about 2 hours for 100,000 (plus 30 minutes and 30,000 in the bar) Probably my best experience in Itaewon.
Starbutts?: The owner used to work across the street in one of the smaller places just past King Club. Never participated myself but have good reports that she is up for anything. A little older (35+) but actually looks pretty good. When she was at the other place, she went straight to the BBBJ as soon as you sat down with a drink.
Royal Club?: First place on the right on the upper hill. I think they changed their name recently, even added "restaurant." Really good looking girl (I've seen her in the daytime, too) offered anal on her menu for US$300. I talked her down to 100,000 and we went at it. I love sex in the booths but it wasn't too comfortable for anal.
FS Barber shop in Gangnam? Hit and Miss, even if fullservice is definitly available, you never know what type of girl will be available. I'll describe two that have been relatively consistent (but with an occasional dog)
1. °¨ÀÚ if you can read Korean: Heading east on Teheranno (away from Kangnam St towards Samsung St), turn left just past the Renassance Hotel and walk about 1 block. Across the street, you will see the spinning pole and an orange sign with °¨ÀÚ written on it. Go downstairs. 80,000~100,000. Doubles offered for 200,000, could probably go lower (I didn't take it) They will ask you to pay in advance.
2. No name: Come out exit 4 at Samsung St and turn left at the Textile Center. Walk up the street and you'll come to a large outdoor parking lot on your right. Turn right and walk to the end of the block. The first floor of the building was a restarant that has been gutted but there is still a well-marked staircase down. 100,000 and they will ask you to pay in advance.
Both of these places are a short massage in the chair, then led to a secret room for shower, scrub down, and FS.
Hey slow n easy:
I understand your problem man. Korea is getting ridiculously expensive. shit! 100 dollars for a BJ, what is this world coming to. Some of these prices are inflated of course. Based on a free economy system, the equilibrium price for sex should be around 60 or 70 dollars like Amsterdam. Granted Korea does not have legalized prostitution, and the price should be higher, but from what I know about Korea, it's practically legal based on the government's tendency to look the other way. I don't think the price should be around 20 dollars though, I think you are mistaking Korea for some third world country like thailand or phillipines. And Korea is no third world country! It used to be like that just 20 years ago, but comparing Korea to a third world country now is like comparing apples to oranges. I see a lot of people my father's age having that kind of perception of Korea. It makes sense because Korea used to be poor as some African nations, but now it's at par at least economically with some of the western european countries. They have a far way to go before catching up to American standards, but they are already within the level of the Europeans, financially at least. I usually visit Korea for their exceptional massage parlors, which is arguably the best in the world. I have also tried Japan's, but they aren't as good. In terms of enjoying some 3rd world pussy, where my Euro goes a long way, I usually head to thailand or phillipines. Last time I was there, I had a nice thai pussy for only 70 Euro, which is around 65 dollars for the whole night! Sex always feels better when it's easy on the wallet. I sugget you take a trip over to thailand. You'll never regret it.
To gameover, thanks for the information and the tip. I appreciate your input. I am still waiting for more from others. Thanks in advance.
Does anyone know any good place like barber shop, turkish bath, call girl (freelancer) to hotel room or massager near the new hotel call, Hotel Pop Green? It is located in Akujung-dong, across from Hyundai Department. Any referral would be appreciated. Phone number or location would do. Thanks.
IN SEOUL: I will be arriving in Seoul on 8-15 for few weeks. Is anyone interested in hooking up for some joint ventures in those fun places together? Let me know.
I am goinng to travel to Seoul on 10 Aug for business.pleasure. I am asking if anyone knows any hot petite chicks (locations of hangouts) that like to ride big cocks. I am tired of the weird looks and hand jobs when I pull the destroyer out of my pants.
hahaah Johnny H...
SO YOU GOT 13" HUH, well good luck finding any girl to take it..
better try the fat , white, black girls hanging out in Itaewon looking for that brother love...
you wont find a korean girl who will take it..
unless you are maybe 8-9" then ok..but towering over 10" forget it stick with the handjobs killer~
maybe try that guy mac that advertises on here, maybe he knows someone for you..
dayam man, J Holmes same..hahahahaha
Okay, I am living now in Seoul for the past 2 months and frustrated with my "girlfriend" and looking for options. Anybody who wants to get together for drinks or possibly go to the salons or showrooms, please email me. seoulmac@yahoo.com
Also, no relation to that mac guy in the previous post. I am straight as an arrow and like my women tight.
have been in korea 3 months now and have watched this board with great interest..do feel that the barber shops are the most underated services. O
n Saturday morning I went to one locally..around 6am...paid 50000, and led to the chair by a very sexy 23 year old.Got given massage and superb handjob with anal play.Then we talked for about 15 minutes while she brought me smokes and drinks. She told me top sleep and she came back aboutn 30 mins later where she proceeded to straddle me while giving me another exsquisite hj..before i came she turned around, sliding her pussy over my face and took me in her mouth 69 stylee...after she french kissed me and rubbed me down with warm towels.the whole expereience lasted about 3 hours which for 2 gos and 50000 was very good...i have found a few quuality places just by going into every place yil i saw a young girl(rare i kmow)..another place provided sex for 40000...albeit with an older girl..their hj/bj technique is always fantastic and at a fraction of the price of the assorted clubs/salons/bars etc.....f
Paddy23, where is the place at? I will be in Seoul on 8-15 and want to go to the barber shop that you just enjoyed. Please let me know. Scott_y00@yahoo.com. Thanks.
Paddy:
So where was this place and what day?
Reason I ask is because I think you're full of crap. Your "Adventure" reads like a Penthouse Forum article. I mean, seriously, you expect us to believe that a young girl was working at a barber shop and she double nutted you for 50,000? AND spent 3 hours with you? Yeah, sorry, doesn't happen. Unless you're amazingly handsome and she just couldn't control herself. You sould like that dreamer who posted on here awhile back about getting tag-teamed by two "sexy babes" in a Barber shop for free.
Not to mention that the majority of barber shops are not open 24/7 and not at 6am. But then, with "luck" like yours maybe you should be playing the slots at the Walker Hill Casino.
To everyone else: The only gaurentee at a barber shop is that you'll get a fairly sub-standard massage, a hand-job and it will be from some old lady trying to dress sexy with caked-on makeup.
If you want a nice massage + service then you need to go to Dynasty which has been mentioned below.
PADDY..
sorry buddy!
but you're full of shit..
because the barbarshops are owned by a aduji, you think he is going to let you spend over 2 hours with his worker for only 50.000 YOU'RE DREAMING!
get your facts straight before you try to brag on this board..
the average cost for babarshop is 80.000 - 100.000 and does not gurantee sex!,,the right connection the right place, will sex you like there is no tomorrow depending on the papasan...
40.000 wont even buy you a beer and a cigerette inside the room, 40.000 wont get you shit in korea,,maybe a handjob on the hill, or blow if your LUCKY!
LIGHTER9000:
you too are wrong, some girls are attractive, and will sex you..
depends on the papasan though...
he is the boss, he tells the girls what to do, if he is looking for return business then he will make sure you return...
I have been several times to babarshops with my friends also,
always get laid, because we ask before hand whats the service.
and the girls are usually 25-30 years old, western age!
nice bodies..I mean who is going to sex some fat ugly broad for 100.000 won ..EVEN ADUSI doesn't want it,,if he did he would be home with his wife..
depends on the place...some have skanks, some have pretty girls, nice bodies etc...
I have been to some shit ass places with bad service,,,
then again I have been to some places where it was just like a turkey bath, except the baths, great service, BBBJ,massage, sex no rush, and thats where I usually go, its a competitive business you havce seen how many poles there are, return business is what they are looking for...its not 588, its miari, they have rents to pay, workers to pay, they need your business,
I have read stories here about guys getting dipped, how was that possible..???
everyone knows babarshop is massage, shave, bj, sex,
no sex you guys really got shafted..and should have told papasan,again the bad place,,and that shit about fat ajumas etc..
you don't have to pay if you don't like the girls, always, always ask to see the girls!!
remember folk..588 , youngsan is off limits to foreigners..might find two or three there that will take you, but of course it aint the one you want, ain't that model looking 20 year, straight out of the magazine, its an alright girl with a nice body...
so if you want better service, then try turkeybath, or a good babarshop, I guess you need someone to show you around the places, once you know them, then you head out there by yourself
BUT,,I will end with this..
you people are wrong about babarshops...
I think you have just hit the wrong ones...
damn those 588 girls are hot, too bad we cant sample them..
wonder if they will do handjobs, or blow jobs then, NO SEX???
what you think??
fuck I will pay for a handjob, those girls are fucking hot!!!
as long as she is naked, and I can diddle her, she handjobs me, fuck yeah I will do it,,,
what ytou say people??
To SeoulSurvivor: I believe it was Sunny S...or the next to it 1 or two doors.
To amateur: Leave your email address so I can get in touch with you...
To gameover: Good review about the "Hill" can you give me better directions to the barbershops that you have mentioned... seems like there is a few in the area... want to get the right ones...thanks
To jbyar: This is still not a 1st world country...they do have limited modern technolgy that at times are better than the states (only because Japan shares it with them first) however they still have floods in places that are higher above some lower places that never get flooded...go figure...can't figure out a drainage system yet... and they live here...they still can not figure out when to turn their police lights on or off, they don't have many street names on many streets, I still can not find my address on mapquest, still can not find a map that is actually like a thomas bros.I will even take just a map that has all the street names, they have so much fake brand names for sale I could open my own dept. store...so please what world country is this...charging prices higher than america for pussy...give me a break.
To paddy23: give me detailed directions and location to the place you went to. If I get half of the service you did with a 20~30yr old I will personally back up your story.
To lighter9000: I have been to alot of places that are open 24 hours a day, however they do close the shop down on different days...many of the places that I have been to will let you sleep for sometime... the longest I have slept at one was 6 hours 2 am to 8 pm. I walked in shortly after 12:30...the girl only spent about 50 min.~1:15 min. I check the girls out first...if I can not then I will try again another day...so they see me again...then they may be more willing to see the girls...but if you go too late at night when some of the girls are sleeping then they will not wake them up for you...your out of luck as far as looking...but alot of places that are nicer looking when you go in seem to have the better looking girls. They places that are just so so can be a hit and miss. I have always asked at the door if sex is offered...and to see the girl(s)...if they are fugly (fat and ugly) I turn them away and ask for a younger lady with a smaller body...if they can not provide than I am out...I also have had the price ranges with all services offered from 60,000 to 100,000...average being about 80,000. The only place that I have seen "A" row quality girls were asking 200,000~250,000 for an hour...forget that noise...I am not hearing that BS.
To Seoulman: I agree with most of your post with exception of them kicking you out to quick...however it could be changing because one place did rush me out the door in under 2 hours. Was in did my thing...got my service and was out rather quick...however it was only the one place.
slow and easy..
send me an email please..
got to talk to you abit...
cheers...
seoulman101@yahoo.com
slow n easy: you are absolutely right in that regard. They do have some technology that's better than the rest of the world, but when you look at thing that are really fundamental to good living like flood control, clean air etc, they still need some work to do. Economist call Korea a NIC (Newly Industralized Country) like Singapore, but it seems that Korea is not really up to the level with singapore yet. Korea reminds me a lot of spain. They are considered a developed country like spain, but like spain, they don't compare to the US. Then again you can't really compare a country like US to Korea or Spain. So in retrospect, Korea is developed in a sense that it is comparable to Europe. And you know there is a whole lot of difference between europe and the US. Like Europe the set price for ***** should be around 60-70 dollars, no one should expect to pay more or less than that.
To jbyar: If you insist on paying at least that or more you are more than welcome to. Pussy just seems so much more enjoyable if it is free or relatively cheap...I personally don't think that I should have to pay more than I have too...ever...If I can get it for lower than what everyone pays than I am happier. The closer to free...of course the better. I do not believe in this BS about if the rest of the world is paying 60 or 70 dollars for tang then we should also...first of all this is not the rest of the world...further more why does anyone have to pay more for what...what is your point? Are you trying to set the world market price for pussy...BS...don't tell anyone that this is a reasonable price here...don't even tell me because I know you are overpaying like some of the other posters also. You may pay that price for a barbershop that spend time rubbing you this and that way, suck your dick for awhile, then sex you up. But you are paying the time. If barbershops get stupid also I will bust on them like I am busting on many posters for paying to much. So my point here is stop paying to much...got it.
If all the pussy in the world was free no one would complain. As soon as it started charging 1 dollar everyone would complain. Therefore I struggle for the people that get suckered into paying too much for pussy...I let people know that they are paying to much...granted not everyone can get the same prices for whatever reasons. Of course there are factors...hygeine being the main one...looks could be on the list but I don't think it is very high on the list from what I have seen. Failure to negotiate hard enough is also a fault.
well..i am a bit surprised at the lack of belief in myexperience (altho given the amout of bullshit on this board i probably shouldnt be)
Directions:
Take the blue line to sosa station(aout 35 mins from seoul station)..make sure its the incheon train, not the suwon train. Go down the stairs and turn left on the main road that travels under the station. go straight, u will cross a small road and the barber pole will be i front of u(one big pole on the path).Its on the second floor just before the pc room. Jun hee is the girls name.
I believe the reason I got such a good service was firstly the time (it was early) and also because she could speak very good english so we could build up some sort of rapport.
And may barber shops open extremely early out in the sticks..on any taxi jourey back from seoul i see at least 30 open between 4.30 and 8am.
I left only when the only other customer came in and she said "Ive got to work". i am uder no illusions that should i go at a peak time the same experience would b repeated..
I agree that most barber shops u will find ageing women where the towel over the face is a godsend (cant see the bag who is servicing u)
80000 may b the going rate in seoul but in pucheon i have never paid more the 60000..40-50000 being the average. Just like most services the barber shops are cheaper in a area where the residets have considerably less money. I also dont see the benefit in bullshitting..my belief is that this board should b used to share legitimate information so the hunt for relief can b made all that more easier....
Damn paddy, you have put your pride before the great experience you had. If it was so good and you prefer to have it for yourself, why post the place and name? Hell, I find a girl like that I am going back for seconds. Who cares if others call you a liar, it is like winning at the casino- you got lucky and keep it as that.
However, now you have raised my curiosity and who knows, maybe one of us will visit the place one day.....unless of course you are getting that treatment for giving the place a plug here for free!
The advent of Korea's advanced IT sector is based on their aggressive strategic effort of investing in research and commecializing of university patented products. Crediting their success to Japan sharing its knowledge with Korea first is just ludicrous. Anyways, lets stay off from all these socio-political-economic topics and talk more about SEX!!! After all this is a forum about sex right? I'm a nABC (American born Chinese)- hobbist. I want to get some advice from some of the people in this forum about sex in Korea. Up to now I was some what dissuaded from the women of my own race. I have found caucasian women much more attractive. Maybe I was brainwashed from all the media, but I couldn't stand the lack of ass/tits/ round flat faces and noses, and their relatively unproportional body figures in asian women. I have been to Amsterdam where my focus was on white women, but I have been hearing some good things about the red light district in korea a from several korean friends. Is it that great? From what I have heard, the service is unparrallel, a step above amsterdam. Did anybody have experiences with bbbj bar? I was told that thailand has better deals, but I'm not really attracted anybody with a skin tone that is darker than mine. And I'm not really into their SE asian facial features of flat faces and flaring nostrils. I know that Korean ladies are the closest thing to a white women in asia, so I'm keeping my hopes up. I also found some taste differences amongst asians and caucasians in respect to women. All my caucasian friends seem to like the traditional oriental features that are frowned upon in contemporary asian society. It seems that they don't mind their flat noses and their slanted eyes. Some people might call me a race-traitor or whatever, but I like asian girls with caucasian features, which white people are not really into. So did anybody with similar taste with mine have any luck in red light districts in korea. I guess, I want to hear from an asian guy's perspective. It seems that I have very similar taste with Korean guys, so if there is anybody on this forum who is korean, can you tell me about your experiences. I see a lot of good posts here, but it seems that most people posting are white, and I don't how my taste compare to their's. I heard that girls in 588 yongjukol and miari are really fine, anybody who can verify that? I plan to goto Korea with couple of friends of mine soon. Any advice or comments will be appreciated.
Just checked out paddy23's barber shop. While the experience was great, and I recommend it, there are some elements to his story that seem to be pure bullshit. Let's give paddy23 the benefit of the doubt and say he exaggerated things just a bit.
First of all, the price was W60,000 and there was no sex, just a first-rate very greasy handjob and three fingers jammed up my ass by a girl who manhandled me with a wicked smile. If you're going in for an excellent handjob, this one would have to rank in the all-time top three.
Secondly, Joo Hee does not really speak very good English. If we would have had to converse in English we would have exhausted possibilities in about 10 minutes.
She's also not really young, being 29 (sez her) instead of the 23 reported by paddy23 and a little bit flabby in that 30-ish way, including the pooch that possibly comes with squeezing out a baby. (But her ass is really meaty and strong, the way I like 'em.)
Finally, Joo Hee was furious at the description of services by paddy23: no oral at all, just hand-play she says, and no eating at the Y. Certainly not for W40,000, not now, not ever.
I did get the panties off and played with her muscular ass, though. But I'm a sweet talker and my Korean is pretty good.
Her tease capacity is outstanding, with light touch all over the body. And basically Joo Hee is a very pretty girl who used to have a great body.
She would also blindfold you and tie you up if you wanted (not really my bag). All in all, recommended, but not earthshakingly good value. W60,000 plus a little cab fare and I could just as well have been fucking a hottie in Kangnam (W80,000).
Exit 2 on the Sosa station, otherwise paddy23's directions were pretty good. Joo Hee says another foreigner had been in there yesterday, and another before me today, so apparently the word is out. Tell her you saw her name on the Internet and that Jack sent you. She is getting married to a German pretty soon (21 year old kid -- he's in for a wild fucking), probably leaving the country within two weeks, so hurry up about it.
But she was so mad about us talking about her on the Internet that she said I was the last foreigner she would take. So your trip might be wasted.
So it seems paddy23 your experience may have been fogged with illusion a bit. Maybe at 6 o¡¯clock in the morning you either were still sleepy or drunk to really know what really happened. Well that is okay at least there was a lot of truth to your adventure with exceptions of the misted details.
Seoul Survivor thanks for sharing that with the team. I was going go there myself to check it out and if I would have had half of the experience that paddy23 had I would have backed up his story.
Since there maybe a game to all of this we should try to strategize our efforts. Since we know there is hit and miss at some places we should try to find the places that are consistent with service especially with foreigners. Let¡¯s start talking to the girls to see if they don¡¯t mind us sending some other friends to visit them. That way they are not getting surprised with people saying I found you on the net BS. That is a sure way for them to not except us quickly. Since our goal is all the same¡¦to get laid¡¦then lets go about the right way. Let¡¯s ask nicely¡¦
Everyone have a great weekend¡¦
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yaoming
[i]...but I like asian girls with caucasian features, which white people are not really into. So did anybody with similar taste with mine have any luck in red light districts in korea. I guess, I want to hear from an asian guy's perspective. It seems that I have very similar taste with Korean guys, so if there is anybody on this forum who is korean, can you tell me about your experiences. I see a lot of good posts here, but it seems that most people posting are white, and I don't how my taste compare to their's. I heard that girls in 588 yongjukol and miari are really fine, anybody who can verify that? I plan to goto Korea with couple of friends of mine soon. Any advice or comments will be appreciated. [/i][/QUOTE]
I'm Korean and I've been to both 588 and Miari. I guess you would call me an ABK. My taste in Asian women runs along the lines of most Asian men. I prefer girls with light skin, large round eyes, about 5'6", etc., etc. Anyway, concerning girls at 588, on the surface, they look really hot. A lot of it though, has to do with the way they dress and cosmetics. They dress really slutty and they cake the foundation on. When you see them naked and close up, you will realize that they're not at pretty as you originally thought they were. Occasionally, you will find really pretty girls in Miari. I think perhaps these are girls who are forced to work there. Again though, on the surface, all the girls look really pretty in their crazy outfits, but again, a lot of it is misleading. Once you get them naked and see them close up, they're not what you thought they were.
If you want really hot girls, you have to go to room salon. Think about it, if you're a really attractive Korean girl, why would you work at 588 where you have to screw almost 10 guys to make the kind of money you would at a room salon screwing one. The last time I was at one was almost 4 years ago. The girl I had was the best piece of arse I had in my life. What made it even better was that my host paid for her.
Moody
what was the price for the room salon girl?? thanks for sharing yoru previous comment postings.
Moody:
thanx a bunch for your insight, it's great to see another asian on this board. growing up in california, allowed me to be real close with the koreans. i took good notice of some of the real hot korean babes and the not so good looking. i always had a preconcieved notion of hooker in korea as being really foul and ugly based on the argument you have just made. if they are so hot, why the fuck would they work at a *****house? however, i've been talking to korean yuhaksengs who described their experiences at *****houses in korea as being terrific. they said some of the girls actually looked better than some actresses, so it is natural that I started having some doubts over my prejudices. most of the korean sluts in l.a. seemed to have that stereotypical korea facial feature of slanty-eyes and square-like faces. according to white definition, that would be considered exotic and sexy, but I'm not really a fan of that traditional asian look. I talked to a korean friend about this and he said he shared the same taste. however, he told me that he had been surveying the rld in korea since he was in middle school, and he told me that i will be pleasantly surprised. I know the girls at room salons are hot as shit based on what i heard from a chaebol friend who had shit loads of money to spare, but i don't think i can't affort that kind of budget of $500-600. that could wait until I'm a little older and richer. you seem to know a lot about sex in Korea, how is yongjugol, I heard that place is pretty good too. some people on this forum also talk about bbbj bar. i don't know if such things exists in korea. i heard of such places in thailand, but Korea? Well thanks a lot for the info. Lets keep in touch.
Moody:
I cannot overlook the comment that you made about your host paying for the service at the room salon. Do you work in Korea right now? I heard about this korean boy who graduated from princeton that got hired to work in Korea. his boss actually paid for the girls and the drinks everytime they went out. he actually emailed his friend in america about the whole ordeal and got into shit-load of trouble for it. that faggot needs to learn how to keep his mouth shut. man, that must have been some experience though. screwing all the hot girls in korea paid for by your boss, who's an expert at room-saloning. I guess they really appreciated his princeton education.
[url]http://198.64.129.160/sex/tattled/chung.htm[/url]
Hey everyone,
I've been browsing the boards for the last couple days and it's been really interesting. I just had a quick question, is it a common practice for a hooker to give you her # and invite you out for dinner and drinks some time?
No it is not common to give out number and meet up later, unless of course she is really into you! I myself had a GFE (great fucking experience) last night in Miari with a young 23 year old who didn't speak jack in English. We broke the ice well anyways laughing and giggling when I tried to put on her dress and it was just so nice to be with an "inexperienced" girl and not have sex be mechanical and rushed. Wanted to give her my number but was not sure how to go about doing it as she was waiting for me downstairs where the mamasan and the other girls were. All in all, such a GFE, I tipped her and also mamasan too as I plan to go back and those tips go along way in service the next time. Hopefully I will get either her email or number to meet up again somewhere more convenient. ;o)
SeoulSurvivor/yaoming
regarding http://198.64.129.160/sex/tattled/chung.htm, loose lips still sink ships. I have no doubt since he been fired that he had enrolled in local college on the course of "discretionary" tactics about "braggadocio"...those people who fired him can be so dual faces about his manly quests.
The boss was probably buying it with company funds then he was expensing to the company. Then in order to save his ass he got the rookie fired.
To ortega: She may be just working on the side to avoid any extra cut to mamasan. Be careful with the dinner and drinks so she doesn't take you for a ride that leaves you broke and not laid. If it is just a run of the mill resturant then it probably is legit.
Good luck on your adventure...let us know.
went to a empty barber shop an hour outside of seoul early this week and paid 50000 for full mass, with hj. however the hag who was servicing me took off her panties, gave bj(?)
and got on top (facing away) and proceeded to fuck me
... or did she?
didnt wear a condom and came out feeling foolish.
have since
heard this is a common Korean trick... that i just got a glorified
hj not FS... is this urban legend or is it true?
should i be worried?
unsure.
well it seems some of you have misinterpreted my post..first of all i never claimed that what i experienced was "normal" or would be repeated every time I left. I beliieve the reason I got a good service was the early hour. also i never said i paid 40000, i paid 50000..probably again because i said i only had 50000 and the place was empty.
I also never claimed there would be sex..i didnt have sex with her. Also i never claimed that every tom dick and harry would get 2 timed complete with facesitting etc...Like i said i believe it was simply a question of right time right place....
As for her age..i admit i got it wrong..i am seriously bad at telling korean girls ages as they all seem a lot younger then they actually are(to me at least)
Unfortunately the girl in question is now seriously pissed off about my message here and aint goin to take no more foreigners..dont know if she will even be working there after this week..just so no one wastes a journey..
I agree with slow n easy..should share information regarding bs shops that will take foreigners and dont mind word of mouth business..unfortunatly i misinterpreted the reaction of that particular shop..and the girl herself..was not impressed with having her name/location on the web...but u live and learn
simpler and easier to go to hollywoods and pick up a girl that way!
Does anyone who live in Seoul or it surrounding know how much does a month rental of an upscale one to two bedroom apartment cost? thanks.
Paddy23:Since you came clean with what really happened I will try my best to support you. Since we both agree on the BD issue to avoid further incedents I think that all of the posters should post their BS experiences so we do not confuse this again.
Ampguest: Leave me your email address...
I want to thank those on the board for the info. I'm heading to Seoul soon for the first time in about 15 years. Sounds like things have changed a bit.
I also be visiting on a regular basis now, and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a good Turkey Bath besides the one at the Dynasty?
Hey, been awhile since I came on here. Just got back from the States (dry) and am looking to get back into the scene in Korea.
I've posted some information about barber shops in the Kangnam area and now I'm wondering if anyone can share there experiences with alternate locations.
Basically, I'm a little bored with my spots. I actually enjoy the anticipation of whether or not sex will be offered. I do have a fairly keen sense of what to look for, though, as I don't want to go in blind. But a bit of apprehension is kind of fun.
After reading through some recent posts, I am very interested in seeing some younger girls. I understand that this is rare in barber shops but I you have any experiences, please share with the crowd.
One more thing, let's start getting some more Turkey Bath info out here. I see the Dynasty mentioned a little too often and I don't want to spoil a good thing. Let me put out some other names and see if anyone has had any experiences there recently.
YoungDong Hotel:
near Shinsa station.
SamHwa (I think):
Next to Hannam Bridge, on the Kangnam side
Hotel Tiffany: Chongdam-dong
Hotel Elle Lui:
Chongdam-dong, Apkujung
Sunshine Hotel:
Apku
New Hilltop:
Shinsa-dong
Grand Intercontinental:
heard rumors, can they possibly be true?
Hamilton:
Good or skanky Itaewon girls. I really want to know.
Holiday Itaewon:
used to be great. looks like its closed. i've heard otherwise.
Capital:
was my first, many many years ago (I'll never forget that night, and not because of the Capital. A true "early in your Korea life, drunken and debaucherous (is that a word?) experience.")
Others????
Gameover
Slow n Easy
Sorry about the delay, having problem accessing WSG forum in the states yesterday..all day my email is
charlie007_svn@yahoo.com
Thanks in Advance!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AMPGuest
[i]Moody
what was the price for the room salon girl?? thanks for sharing yoru previous comment postings. [/i][/QUOTE]
At the good places in Seoul, you can expect to pay around 500,000W, that's just for the girl. The RS also costs quite a bit. My host and I went through 3 bottles of JW Blue (those tiny things) and the tab came out to over 1,000,000W. He's a regular there too, so it's not like they rip him off. At the super high end places where the ultra rich and the politicians hang out, the girls typically get 1,000,000W. I've never been to one of those though.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yaoming
[i]Moody:
thanx a bunch for your insight, it's great to see another asian on this board. growing up in california, allowed me to be real close with the koreans. i took good notice of some of the real hot korean babes and the not so good looking. i always had a preconcieved notion of hooker in korea as being really foul and ugly based on the argument you have just made. if they are so hot, why the fuck would they work at a *****house? however, i've been talking to korean yuhaksengs who described their experiences at *****houses in korea as being terrific. they said some of the girls actually looked better than some actresses, so it is natural that I started having some doubts over my prejudices. most of the korean sluts in l.a. seemed to have that stereotypical korea facial feature of slanty-eyes and square-like faces. according to white definition, that would be considered exotic and sexy, but I'm not really a fan of that traditional asian look. I talked to a korean friend about this and he said he shared the same taste. however, he told me that he had been surveying the rld in korea since he was in middle school, and he told me that i will be pleasantly surprised. I know the girls at room salons are hot as shit based on what i heard from a chaebol friend who had shit loads of money to spare, but i don't think i can't affort that kind of budget of $500-600. that could wait until I'm a little older and richer. you seem to know a lot about sex in Korea, how is yongjugol, I heard that place is pretty good too. some people on this forum also talk about bbbj bar. i don't know if such things exists in korea. i heard of such places in thailand, but Korea? Well thanks a lot for the info. Lets keep in touch. [/i][/QUOTE]
If you've had a few drinks, the girls at 588 will look totally hot. It's when you're sober you notice things like the spare tire and the acne scars. RS is expensive. Just like it's expensive where I am now, NYC. There are low end RS too, usually called Min Club or Danlanjujeom. These places basically cater to middle class businessmen, but their prices are not so out of the world. Obviously the quality of the girls also suffers. When I was at a Min Club in March, Damn! I can't remember how much the tab was. I think it was around $500 for 4 bottles of Imperial. At those places, when you first sit down with the madam, you have to let her know if you want to take the girl back to your hotel. They have different groups of girls on call, and they'll call according to your needs. If you don't like who they bring you, you can send them back as many times as you want. The problem with that though is that it takes time. As for Yongjukol, it's like 588. I haven't been there in over 7 years so I don't know what they charge anymore. At 588 4 years ago they were charging 60,000W. I'm sure it hasn't gone up. As for BBBJ bars, those are basically relegated to Itaewon, at least that's what I hear. I've never been to one so I can't be 100% sure. You have to understand, Koreans aren't into oral as much as Americans.
Hmm, I tried calling, but no answer, so I left a message. After thinking about it, calling in the evening was prolly not the best time.
In the meanwhile, does anybody know of any good overnight options? Besides say room salons or getting lucky at a bar? Thanks.
ok guys , heres an experience for you.
I have a car right, and many kyopo friends, I am mid 20's good looking and my kyopo friends are pretty handsome guys also..
they were horny last weekend, friday night we go to youngsan, I am driving, the girls see me, they are already waving NO NO! I stop the car, say! " what are you blind!!! I have three koreans in my car!! LOOK!!!!! ..ohhhh ok you NO! but korean OPPA ok, come in!! my friends don't understand, because one just got here from my country back home, he was furious, told the ***** go fuck yourself ****, you wont fuck my friend I wont give you money dirty *****, all in korean!
she said" if he want fuck! he must fuck AJUMA!!
my friend say AJUMA!!! hahahaha
fuck off, lets go!!
keep driving I tell my friend this is korea bro, don't worry about it, drive further down same shit, they see me, its nO NO before the car as even stopped! again I tell them I DONT WANT SEX WITH DIRTY HOOKER! in korean! hahaha.feel abit better now.
my friend goes in, does his business with one chick we found on our 5th drive down, 10 minutes, for 60.000
BS MAN!!
saturday go to 588, again same shit, this times it's 7am, drive through, the girls see me, ITS NO NO, foriegner NO!
you know it in korean language right guys!! again I say I DONT WANT SEX WITH HOOKER, SO DONT WORRY OK!!
I DONT LIKE ****!! hahaha I am getting good at fighting back now,
again I SAY LOOK *****! I HAVE 3 KOREAN OPPAS in THE CAR!!!
ohhhh come in come in OPPA OPPA!
KOREAN OPPA!!!
keep driving finially we see a goddess!
OH MY GOD, I WISH I WAS ASIAN! this chick was breath taking, I FORCED my friend to fuck her, he was alittle afraid I think, taxi came behind me beeping the horn, had to go forward, told the girl wait be right back, went around the block she was gone, this chick is probably doing about 15 + guys a night, she would be the hottest girl in the 588 and I am sure all the girls no about her!! DAYAM!!!!fine..
so we had to settle for these two other ckicks, my friends jumpped out went in 10-15 minutes 60.000, again mE NO!
when me friend came out the guy who just got to korea, he walks up to a hooker and says what the fucking story why don't you girls do foreigners..
1: cock size, (STUPID-we are not dirk diggler)
2: we all have aids, sexual infections)
3: the hookers reputation will be tarnished if seen taking a foreigner
4: we all stink we don't shower!
then she looks at me and says, ok!
my friend says she will do you, BUT i don't want to do her, BUT!!!
180.000 for 10 minutes!
hahaahaahaha I SAID! in korean
CRAZY!!!
you should pay me to fuck you!
she said foreigner fuck AJUMA!
hahah come on what foreigner is going to fuck an ajuma down there they are scary!
so walked back to my car, and I teased a few girls about there appearance, about having fake tits, and eye operations to look western, but you wont do western guys, FUNNY HUH!
my friends are laughing their heads off, the girls weren't so amussed..
my koreans friends are funny, they would be in the car, choosing a girl they say no to me drive on, the girls will say OPPA WHY!!
my friends just coldly say..because your UGLY!!!
your FAT!!
hahaah make them crazy, they would be cursing the car driving off, the second round they would again curse the car,hahaahaha..funny shit...
ohhhh iI have been to 588 many times with my friends right, korean guys, maybe lets say 10 times, and I have only been offered by an 8 looking girl once for local rates, and that time I was with my foreign friend.she came out we were walking down one of the side streets see came out saying I will do one of you!! I said how much she said 60.
we walked around thought about it went back she was gone..
other times there is always one girl I think she remembers me, she always just points to me, and says HEY come in, hey foreigner oppa, but she just isn't enough for my liking, I dont like the cute kind, I like the sexy, sluty image girls with attitude, and another time, girls have offered me in for triple rates....
BS MAN!!!!!
but my friends say it ain;t that good anyway, 1 minute blow job no condom, then ride on top 1 minute, I'M TIRED!!
then she lay down star fish, wait for you to finish!! all the time they said, and they go offen...
when In youngsan I had my friend ask , OK NO SEX...I don't want fuck, I want only BJ, she say no, WHY? too much work!
hahahaha crazy bitches...
don't understand, they say there image can be tarnished, we have aids, but pay triple, for a couple of girls that will do you, the hot ones wont, because they don't need to, they will still go through all that shit, lose face, risk aids blar blar, for 180.000
doesn't make sense does it...
thought you said the look of a foriegner leaving your store will ruin you! yeah right, our cocks are too big painful, bs, you girls have had 200+ cocks in you the last 6 months, your pussy are loose very loose, my friends said, its too loose on most girls...
anyway we all know about youngsan, 588, jonyukgol, NO FOREIGNERS!!
but always a possiblity, on the right day at the right time, BUT I WILL NEVER PAY MORE THAN LOCAL PRICE FOR SEX!! why shoud I!!!
I am the erotic , exotic, theme for them, not everyday you get to sleep with a dark handsome Italian man...
miari, sure no problem they just keep walking until mamasan stops you, but I don't like those girls,...
barbar shops I think all take foreigners!
i have never heard a no form the papasan!! I bring friends there all the time they always get accepted, competition I guess and more descret! higher rents etc....
and always sex no fake shit, take charge man, do them!
I know so many places where babershops that will do foreigners!
what else...emmmmmmmm
ohhh talking about BBBJ bars...
man ITAEWON, TIGER TAVERN!!
they are famous, notorious, they have attitude, so don't fuck with them, they will just kick you out, these girls have had more cocks than you have had hot dinners!!!
these two girls have been there for 4 years , hot girls though, those legs man..and most bars on the hill will suck cock price is 40-+ up to you really, there is no set price..but BBBJ are available!.
588 normal looking girls not the 10 of the redlight, maybe a 6-7 for 180.000
compared to dynasty hotel 180.000
1 and half hours of pleasure, I know where I am going!!!!
180 redlight hooker 10 minutes !! hahah compared to barbershop 1 hour again of pleasure for 80-100.000 full service!! I know where I am going!!!
now I just go to redlight for eye shopping with my korean friends when they get horny. I have a girl friend, and a few casual on the sides, fuck those bitches, still haven't been to dynasty yet though, should go huh?..anyone kow how the girls are???
ohh one guy said is thailand like KOREA! MATE you are trying to compare apples and oranges!!
nothing beats thailand,,NOTHING!!!
thank god for thailand!!!
Just for all of you that have left their e-mail address for me I have sent a reply to everyone that had requested a response.
Just requesting some info¡¦I heard that there are places somewhere I don¡¯t know where¡¦but there are strip club type places¡¦has anyone seen or know of any in Seoul? I was also looking for places that have Filipinos for some visiting friends does anyone have any info on places that have them¡¦for our type of entertainment. If they do exist how much and what type of service can we expect?
Happy Hunting
Hi guys,
Everybody is talking about Dynasty Hotel, have been there, nothing special, I think too much busy, service is not anymore good...to avoid. But where are the other top massage parlours ? Does anyone want to share good experience ?
About Barber shops, tried 2 times in Hannam dong, but always old woman and only HBJ. Does anyone know if the 4 poles offer better service. I was told that you can have FS overthere.
Otherwise, does anybody try the love hotel in Kyesan city (near discount store Walmart) ? It seems to be a "sex-factory" ? Is it possible to find a ***** there or do u have to be already with one ?
Last question: where is it possible to have sex with Thai, fillipino or japanese girls in Seoul ? Is there any place for that ?
Thanks for your advise.
seoulsurvivor:
that's some story you got there. it's pretty fucked up that they don't serve foreigner or non-asians. I'm an asian and I was never refused in amsterdam. the hookers have some distorted image of white people. hookers get AIDS from korean ajushi's (middle aged buisnessman) who went on a sexcapade in thailand, not from white people. maybe it's a little different for soldier,who have high prevalence for stds, but not white tourists. They are probably the most clean because of the fact that they wrap it all the time. I'm going to korea in a few months with both my korean and white friends. It will be a pity if my white friends will not be able to enjoy themselves with us. It takes the whole fun out of the camraderie.
Yaoming,
It's not my story. Go back and check the poster's name again: seoulman. I've not had the bitter experiences he has had. But I have heard that Italians have bigger penises than the English and I can say they definitely smell worse, so perhaps the reason for rejection is his Italiano heritage.
Where do you get your information that soldiers have a high prevalence of STD's? Or is it just your assumption, based on their stupid appearance?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yaoming
[i]seoulsurvivor:
that's some story you got there. it's pretty fucked up that they don't serve foreigner or non-asians. I'm an asian and I was never refused in amsterdam. the hookers have some distorted image of white people. hookers get AIDS from korean ajushi's (middle aged buisnessman) who went on a sexcapade in thailand, not from white people. maybe it's a little different for soldier,who have high prevalence for stds, but not white tourists. They are probably the most clean because of the fact that they wrap it all the time. I'm going to korea in a few months with both my korean and white friends. It will be a pity if my white friends will not be able to enjoy themselves with us. It takes the whole fun out of the camraderie. [/i][/QUOTE]
seoulsurvivor!!
i think you had better read the message again!!!
and I am sure you get rejected all the time in 588 and youngsan from the A class girls..UNLESS you are ASIAN!!
I am willing to bet money on this,,I will pick you up drive you there even and walk around with you and see how much attention you get, and if you get laid from a A class girl..if so I will pay the 60 for you and then take you back to ITAEWON!
ok...
NOW regarding my heratage!!!
well if fact Italians are very clean in fact history shows we bathe!
we have bedaes in every house etc.. what makes you think Italians stink..we pretty run the fashion and cosmetics industry, we are the highest country visited by foreigners every year, for our beautiful country. and fashion, our people are always best groomed, compared to the English
which don't care about grooming!
sorry not being racist, but there is no way you can say ITALians stink more than others...
we take pride in our clothes, our appearance, what you heard that expression GREASY WOP have you!,,well thats because in the south of italy they wear to much GEL...
mate I will tell you, I have never met you, don't know you, I am not being concieted either, but It has nothing to do with my appearance, I am very goodlooking, dress very expensive clothes, have a car, speak Korean!
am 27 and work out everyday!
and used to be a model,so I am saying if I get rejected by the hottest girls in 588 you are too, hey..I am not saying you don't get laid in 588, I am sure you do, but you aint shagging the MAIN street girls at 10pm NOWAY!!
unless you are asian!!
are you???
if not tell me what you are??
and tell me your stories??
would really love to hear it...
ohh and yes GI'S would have sex infections more than others because, they travel to PI, thai, and go to other port cities, fuck without condoms with hookers, and come from low class life styles in the states...
aids has no race, aids has no color either does sex infections,.. but lifestyle can make aids, and sex infections happen, a GI is only here or there for party!
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The thing with places like 588 is that you kind of get a tired of the 15 minute wham thank you ma'am thing. That and I don't like the cramped little rooms. I'd much rather take the girl back to my hotel where there's at least some space and I know the sheets are clean. That and the girls at 588 are just a too hard core. I guess that's to be expected since they're screwing a dozen guys a day. I'm not saying I'm looking for the GFE thing, because I'm not, it's just that I'm not completely into the phuck 'em forget 'em thing either. Regardless, it is an experience and some of the girls, when you're drunk, do look HOT.
seoulman,
Forgive the rudeness. I was drunk when I wrote that. We like to say that Italians stink because (well, so many of your countrymen truly are less enthusiastic than you about the bathing) the ones that don't stink are such incredible competition. Especially the Italians who work out and spend all their money on expensive clothing.
I notice you do not dispute the bigger penis, just the malodor. So you'll take your national steretypes a la carte, I see...
Welcome back everyone...I see that it took longer than expected.
Well just to update everyone with the "Hill"...negotiations are
still going good...I have been able to get girls between 40,000
and 50,000 won on a busy night. I just hold tough with the
price...but some places the girls just laugh or get mad not that
I care because they will see me more often...I will always make
the offer but they don't have to accept it but repetition will
hopefully prevail. It will be hit and miss but you can always
walk around and find some more tang elsewhere...
Have to go now so welcome back...and happy hunting.
SWINGING: What is the swing scene like? I mean, if I get a Korean girl, will she be opened minded to swing? I am going there to study in awhile, so I want to line my ducks up. I love to swing and would love to find a lovely Korean girl that would like to as well. Anyone have any answers? Thanks.
I just got to Seoul. I am a gyoppo and was wondering what the scene is like for someone who's Korean is elementary. What is the scene like around Hongik University? I have scene a couple barbershop poles even right next to the basketball courts at Hongik University. Is this place just like all the other barbershop places described in this forum?
Thanks!
jiggaman
I am disturbed by a trend I am seeing on this and other boards
I subscribe to. Guys are reading about specific girls on the internet and then going in and saying " Hey, I read about you on the internet". Then the girl gets upset and possibly decides to not do foreigners. I have seen this several times now and it keeps me from sharing specific details about girls that I find. If I find a great girl who gives great service why would I share the details on a board like this so someone can go in there and screw it up for me. This should not have to be the case. This sharing of information should be helpful to everyone and help us all find better sex at the best prices but it's not going to happen if we screw it up by telling the girl her name is all over the internet.
Let's use our heads!
I think Slow n' Easy has the right idea about Itaewon. There is no reason to pay the rediculously high prices they ask for. Most will ask for 80,000 or more just for a blow job and up to 250,000 for FS. How can they ask these prices? Because some guys will pay them. I refuse to pay more for sex in Itaewon than I would in an RLD and I tell the girl that. I say " Why would I pay you 200,000 for sex when I can take a 5 dollar cab ride to Yongsan and pay 60,000W?" If we stop paying these prices they have to charge less. Negotiate! Don't worry if you get turned down. There are plenty more girls to choose from that will accept your terms.
Also. don't pay 20,000 W for drinks. If you are planning on having sex don't buy any just start negotiating for the sex. If you're just looking for a bit of fun buying drinks almost all will take 10,000 for a drink. If the girl tells me that I get a better time for twenty I tell her that if I don't have a great time for Ten it will be the last drink I buy her. I don't say it in a mean way I simply tell her that if I have a good time for 10,000 I'll buy more drinks. Locals don't pay these crazy prices so why should we foreigners let ourselves get "juiced" buy mediocre looking girls in Itaewon. Personally I prefer Miari where I can always get 45 minutes with a cute girl for 50-60,000W
just wondering if anyone knows wherther there are any dominatrixes working in seoul or if any of the rld's cater for this??Is there a fetish scene at all over here??
thanks
Does anyone have detailed information about the following types of places I see commonly around Seoul.
1. Karaoke bars with hostesses (imay be called "dallanjujeom"?
2.Coffee Shops (tearooms) called "Tabang"?
What is the routine when you enter these places, how are the girls and prices for sex? Karaoke places usually have a price of 20-30,000 W on the sign out front. Tabangs usually say coffee shop in english and have a phone number on the sign and are almost always downstairs.
I rarely see mention of these on any discussion boards but I'd like to try everythng while I'm here.
Hi All!!
Need help. Does anyone know where I can go for good services near Ritz? Also, anyone know a number for good in-house service and overnighters? (must be reasonable rates W100-300 <-- Is that possible?)
Thanks!!
Seoulmate:
I think the 20000-30000 won in front of karaoke bar refers to the price for an hourly rate of karaoke.
hey everyone¡¦
was on the hill the other day to walk around and see what i could get. i went into a place that i went less than a week earlier. same girl was working alone like previous¡¦so i went in, she locked the door, and she gave me a hug, the usual buy me drink bit was offered. since i was not going to buy her a drink i figured that i would ask her for sex¡¦ i was only in there a few days earlier and only paid 40,000 won i figured she would have remembered me and what deal she offered me. so when i heard 200,000 won i had to remind her that i was only in here a few days ago and you only charged me 40,000 won. i guess she had a brain lapse¡¦because she would not bargain down to the price she gave me before. but here was the difference the first time that she accepted my offer was right after 3 guys came out of her club. maybe she had just made some money on that deal¡¦i don¡¯t know.
here is another experience i had after the brain lapse lady¡¦i walk down to the lower half of the hill across the street portion where there are a few clubs. on one side there are two places almost right next to one another. the one place is older looking place inside that is narrow and the other place actually looks respectable with a nice interior. across the way there are two more places right next to one another.
i have been invited into one but have always declined and went into the other for the first time ever that day. the girl in there at the time was younger, cute with a nice body, and speaks english well. so i go in and she takes me back behind the partitions, sits me down, goes and locks the door, comes back to sit down, and immediately after she sits she starts rubbing on my cock. well in my book that is good time to start negotiations on sex and by pass the entire buy a drink bs. so before i could get a word out she starts telling me a story about her life yada yada yada¡¦after about 10 mins. of that noise she throws in a why don¡¯t you buy one drink for 20,000 won¡¦while the whole time she was rubbing my cock. i never planned on staying in there that long if i had not negotiated anything by that time. so i declined on the drink and she started whining about this and that¡¦so to defuse the situation i just told her that i had an appointment and i thought i had enough time to hang out but it was my mistake¡¦she was still set on trying to convince me that i had enough time for ¡°just one drink¡±¡¦yeah right¡¦so i asked what do i get if i buy you a drink¡¦her reply was ¡°a happy time¡±. so i asked her to tell me what a ¡°happy time?¡± is¡¦some bs came out but then she said if you buy me 5 drinks you get a real happy time¡¦so i countered with ¡°at 10,000 won each drink¡± she said yes and you can have anything you want¡¦i said ¡°sex¡± and she said yes. ok i tell you what since i don¡¯t have time today to play lets meet tomorrow at 4:30 pm. she agreed to meet.
the next day comes and i am ready to go. i get there and wait about 5 minutes before she shows up. i go into the back behind the partition and she locks the door while she changes into her clothes then she comes straight over¡¦immediately rubbing my cock again¡¦so she said ok buy me one drink¡¦before i say yes i renegotiate the deal so there is now misunderstanding of the terms¡¦so i tell her ok remember what you told me yesterday¡¦she said yes¡¦so i said when you said i can have anything i want, i want to be clear before we proceed with anything¡¦she said don¡¯t worry i will take care of you¡¦i replied so then it is clear that we are talking about having sex, right? she acted surprise and said i am not one of those *****s¡¦yeah right¡¦right then i knew it was time for me to leave because if i am not getting laid then no need to stay. so she starts whining again about that i misunderstood her, that i promised her to buy her drinks, i owed her just for coming early, that she never implied sex, and she is not one of those *****s. i told her straight¡¦ look if you never implied sex then why did you say that i could have anything that i wanted and i added including sex and you said yes. so there is only one way you will get any of my money and that is by giving me sex¡¦what other reason would i have even showed up?¡¦ to drink over priced beer and to buy you an overpriced grapefruit juice?¡¦ your out of your head¡¦i can buy you a grapefruit juice down the street for 800 won and a beer for 1200 won why would i even consider to spend 20,000 or even 10,000 won for that when i can get it for 2000 won¡¦basic economics can tell you that¡¦not that she understood the economics of it.
she got all pissy about the whole thing so i just told her if you are not going to give sex than maybe you should consider another line of work because you just can¡¯t just rub on a guys cock and expect them to crumble in your hands and pay these stupid prices without implying sex¡¦if they do fine¡¦ but when some guy comes in and you imply sex and don¡¯t give it to him then that is a good way to lose business or get hurt¡¦you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off the wrong guy who knows what will happen.
so here is the lesson- what ever deal you get now you may not get later, if you negotiate on the hill then negotiate for right now¡¦not later because they will forget you the second you leave, make sure that sex and the blow job is included, and lastly don¡¯t pay over 50,000 won for sex ¡¦ negotiate, negotiate, negotiate.
Slow n Easy
I think the second girl, the one who rub your cock, is just practicing and refining her scam lines of being a real "*****" on you about all those posibilities that she will do with you until the moment of truth. I would have done the same thing by walking out instead of wasting my mental faculty on a ***** like that to explain to her what is proper and not proper in the art of expectation from a *****. The funny thing though, there are some stupid dickhead out there that would actually fall for such scam and ruined it for the next guy. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on the subject of dealing with *****s.
Slow n Easy
I had two very similar experiences in the past couple weeks.
One was definately with the same girl. The first was a girl in Dallas
who the first time I met her was on the street where she approached tme and asked if I wanted to go to her club. I said sure and followed her up the hill. We did not have sex but I did get 40 minutes of first a striptease and then and alot of forplay
and alot of time spent between my legs. It was quite an enjoyable time and she finished me off by making me cum on her tits and thighs. I paid her 40,000 Won which for 40 minutes of non stop sucking stroking and rubbing was well worth it. The next time I saw her it was at a slow time but during the evening.
She did ofer me a blowjob for 40 but it was not going to be that long and no clothers were coming off and she wouldn't budge so I said some other time and left. I think with these girls there situation changes from day to day so you can only negotiate for that day and not expect the same the next time.
The second was definately the ame girl you talked to. The bar was the first of two side by side clubs on the left as you head down the hill on the lower block. The Kiss in the Dark bar.
She is a cute young girl with a great body and often wears these tiny jean shorts that look great on her. I went into the back with her and she took me to a booth blocked of by a partition and started stroking my cock. She wanted 20,000 for a drink which I quickly declined. I told her I was looking for sex that night and wasn't interested in buying her drinks. She became very ofended and said "i'm not a *****!". (she rubs mens cocks for money but she's not a *****! - sure.) Anyway she ofered me a hand job and said she'd make me come for just one 20,000 W drink. Not a bad deal fom cutie like that but I was looking for more. I said I'd come in another time for the 20,000W hand job. THere are times I go drinking on the hill and wouldn't mind a cheap HJ before heading home . So a week later I did drop in and she refused to admit she ever offered that and again I walked out. Again she insisted she was not a *****. So I guess I agree , take the deal when it is offered or be prepared to start over the next time.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seoulmate
[i]Does anyone have detailed information about the following types of places I see commonly around Seoul.
1. Karaoke bars with hostesses (imay be called "dallanjujeom"?
2.Coffee Shops (tearooms) called "Tabang"?
What is the routine when you enter these places, how are the girls and prices for sex? Karaoke places usually have a price of 20-30,000 W on the sign out front. Tabangs usually say coffee shop in english and have a phone number on the sign and are almost always downstairs.
I rarely see mention of these on any discussion boards but I'd like to try everythng while I'm here. [/i][/QUOTE]
Danlanjujeom is basically low end room salon. More or less the same quality as Min Club. Your mileage will vary at any of these places. It's best to go to these types of places with a native to remove the risk that you will get ripped off.
Dabang is basically take out service. You order coffee. The girl who delivers your coffee can be negotiated with. I know about Dabang, but I've never done it so I have no idea how much it would run. I would think it's pretty cheap though since it's considered low class.
Dalan-jeu-jeom is mostly a rip-off no matter who you go with. I tried this once with some Korean friends and wound up paying like 360.000W for the usual whiskey-fruit plate-dried squid deal. They did provide two girls, kind of young for my tastes; they sang songs, poured our drinks, and served us appetizers while I sat and brooded over how much money I was spending. I went home wondering how much a "real" Room Salon would have cost me...
Tabangs - its hit or miss with these places, and you definitely need a rudimentary knowledge of Korean to get anywhere. Ask them if they provide "ticket-bee" service. That's basically the fare you pay for an hour of company, usually about 20.000W. Does not include sex, you'd have to negotiate that on the side, and in my experience it takes more than one visit to the tabang to establish your credibility. I scored in this scene once with a waitress who turned out to be a divorcee. It was great dating her and great sex while it lasted (about 4 months); then one day she just disappeared. If you can speak some Korean, you may get lucky, otherwise you'll just be buying a lot of coffee. Like most things in Korea, Tabangs were great years ago, loaded with cute young Korean aga-sshi. In recent years I find them populated mostly by older ajummas, some ethnic Chinese-Korean girls, and male motor-bike drivers (they deliver the coffee-girls).
I lived in Korea from 84 through 93. In the last year, I have been to Korea 2 times for the first time since I left in 93. Things have change a lot since 93. I knew all places to go and have fun. Now it is like being lost. Where to go, prices etc. What places outside of Itaewon are the place for westerns to have fun. Like Barber Shops, Turkish Baths, Short Time houses, etc. Also what are the going prices. I am returning to Korea in a month and would like to know where to go! I will be staying at the Renaissance Hotel. Any thing in that area? Any help would be great!
I recently came back from a three week sojourn from Korea. I had a great time for the most part. Prior to my trip, I checked out this and other boards for some suggestions on where I might find some action.
People seem to have got Itaewon spot on. Hooker Hill is a major rip off, especially if you not staying in Seoul and you can't keep going back and forth to set up something. I couldn't really get anyone to budge from a 100,000W ($82) BJ. I am sorry, but I'm not willing to pay that much, especially when I can get a blow job for $5 in the Bronx. I really don't know what else I can say about the Hill. I am sure that if I spent more time there and had more time to do some negotiating that I could have struck some sort of deal, but I had some time constraints, especially since the subway stops running so early. That really sucks! They should really do something about that.
I thought some of the bars at Itaewon were pretty cool. One I liked was Seoul Pub, which is by the Itaewon subway stop. The music there sucks, but some of the girls who hang out there are amazing. I don't know if they're pros or not. I had some luck with a waitress there who gave me her number afterwards. She was a sweet little thing who spoke pretty good English.
If you're a foreigner and you want to fuck around with some Korean girls, Itaewon is the place to be. It absolutely blows in the daytime when the only people who approach you are young school girls who just want to practice the English phrases they learn in grade school. It's much better at night. People complain that they can't score in Korea, but I think it has more to do with themselves than anything else. A lot of the foreigners who hang out at the bars in Itaewon are fat, ugly and old. No girl is going to want to go home with you. If you're a decent-looking guy in pretty good shape, I don't think you'll run into too many problems. It seems to me that a lot of the girls over there are desperate to go out with a foreign guy...unless you're what I described above. My observations.
I heard about Miari, but didn't get a chance to go. A friend told me that they don't accept foreigners. I didn't really get the chance in the end because my schedule was pretty tight.
Also, there are a lot of Japanese tourists in Korea who come to take advantage of the dirt cheap prices (at least compared to Japan). Japanese girls absolutely love foreign guys! You can usually tell them apart because they smoke in public (Korean girls never, ever smoke in public), they are usually smaller (i.e. shorter, more petite), they have a lighter tone of skin, have larger and rounder eyes, they'll glare at you as if they want you to ram them, and they dress like skanks. My friend and I approached two of them on the subway and went out with them afterwards. Japanese girls are fun and kinky and a lot easier to pick up than Koreans. A lot of them hang out close to the city hall (where that giant screen is where people watched the World Cup) by the department store in the area...I forget its name. If you look presentable and approach them in a polite fashion, I doubt they'd say "no".
I liked Korea in general. I agree with the guy who said it is not a first world country. They really are technologically advanced -- in some cases way more so than us here in the States -- but they are backwards in other things. I also find it difficult to sleep on the floor! Also, it seems like Koreans don't like foreigners too much. I was sort of prepared for this, but I didn't expect to see downright hostility from some. I tried passing as a Greek, a Canadian and an American and it didn't really make much difference. Korean girls love Aussie guys though. It definitely took some getting used to. I think as a group, Koreans are pricks, but as individuals, they're awesome and extremely hospitable.
And are any of you guys surprised at how tall some of the people are there?
Overall, Korea is a great country with a nice mix of technology, culture, history, beautiful women (I think Korean girls are the best looking of all Asian girls), great food and shopping. I wish the sex scene was not as much of a rip off. I'm looking to return within the year...maybe even get a job there for a few years.
Great to see this board back. Lots of catching up to do.
great insight stud_lee!
does anyone have any info regarding the Casablanca bar in itaewon? Its beside the Hamilton hotel...what are the girls like and how does it work? Is sex guaranteed or are the girls not working in the strictest sense?
Also any hotties i shoul look out for??
Stud_lee makes some good points about Itaewon.
I think the best thing about Itaewon is the party atmosphere which overflows out of the bars and into the street and goes on most of the night. I have had some great nights there. I usually time it to arrive around 10pm and party till the subway starts running again at 5:40am. It is certainly the best place to score with non pro Korean girls. I managed to pick up a georgrous one last weekend. Turns out she works at a Room Salon but likes the looks of foreign guys over Korean and comes to Itaewon to meet them. In my first couple months here I spent some money in the "Juicy bars" but quickly realized that you can spend a fortune on drinks very quickly without getting much. The girls all charge a fortune for sex. Most quote 80,000 for a HJ , 120,000 for a BJ and up tp 300,000 or more for sex. Yes, you can negotiate for sex and get it cheaper if you try but their heart is not in it when they are doing it cheaper and it is usually rushed. My recommendation is to go to Itaewon to party and possibly pick up girls in some of the great bars like Seoul Pub etc.
For sex I recomend Miari. Stud_lee says he heard they do not accept foreigners. This is not correct. It is the one RLD that for the most part DOES accept foreigners, Not all but most do. The regular quoted price is 60,000 Won. A price you would have to work hard to get in Itaewon and then likely get a rushed 15 minutes. In Miari, 60 is the going price so you're not rushed by a girl who feels she's giving it away cheap. There are many gorgeous girls for the asking at Miari. I think for the money Miari is the best place in Seoul for sex. If you have triple the price for a Turkey Bath go for it as it is bettrer but for 60,000W you can't beat Miari!
Where is Miari? I would like to visit where on my next trip to Seoul. Also, is there any good foreign friendly barber shop in Seoul, with good service with good looking girls. Please e-mail me at jimhart69@hotmial.com.
To get to Miari:
Take Subway Line 4 (light blue line) to Gireum Station.
Use exit 10
You will be at one of several entances to Miari.
Go through the green curtains covering the entrance.
There is a maze of several little alleys with hundreds of girls.
Don't worry if the ones closest to the entrance ignore you.
Just keep going and you will find many that will take a foreigner.
Usually when the Mamasan sees you coming you'll see her knock on the glass to warn the girls you are coming. They will be waving and calling you as you walk by.
Have fun!
Does anyone in Seoul no where I can buy "foriegner sized"
condoms here.
Last time in Miari (about 3 weeks ago) I picked out a gorgeous tiny girl who after giving me a BBBJ was about to climb on top of me bareback. She seemed quite surprised when I insisted on wearing a condom. She opened one and had trouble getting the small condom on me. We had a great 45 minute session changing positions 3 or 4 times. When finished I pulled out to find the condom had broke sometime in our last ten minutes.
Anyone knows where I can find large condoms?
Seoulmate says: <i>Last time in Miari (about 3 weeks ago) I picked out a gorgeous tiny girl who after giving me a BBBJ was about to climb on top of me bareback. She seemed quite surprised when I insisted on wearing a condom. </i>
Are you fucking kidding me? Is this true? That's pretty frightening if it is. If so, then I'm sure the AIDS rate in Korea is probably a lot higher than people there are willing to admit. Just look what's going on in China.
As for my comments on Miari, a few friends told me about it. Mind you, they were Korean, so it could be that they had alterior motives. One of them said flat out that they don't accept foreigners. Maybe he just doesn't know or it could be that he doesn't want me to bone Korean chicks. The other guy -- he does not live in Korea anymore -- said that Miari was cleaned up the last five years and that there wasn't much action anymore. Based on Seoulmate's reports, Miari seems to be alive and well. I will most definitely check it out the next time I am over there. I completely regret not checking it out myself.
Barber Shop: Guarantee FS for KW 90,000. There is a hotel named Hotel Pop Green in Apkujung. It is located diagonially from Hyundai Department store in Apkujung. As you face the front entrance of the hotel, on the right side of the block, there is a Daewoo auto dealership. On that side of the street, if you look further down on the street, there is only one barber pole. You are guaranteed full service after a little massage behind a closed automatic door that thay have installed in the back, to hide the illegality of the service, obviously. Ask for Miss Hyun. She is bit old, I think in her late 30's but damn good sucker and rider. Enjoy guys.
Actually, amateur, you bring up a good point. Apkujong is a great place to spot young hotties. I went over there a few times for dinner and drinks and every chick I saw there was gorgeous. Just curious, is it easy to pick up a girl over there? What about if you're a foreigner? It would be awesome if that was the case because it's an absolute goldmine!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stud_lee
[i]Seoulmate says: <i>Last time in Miari (about 3 weeks ago) I picked out a gorgeous tiny girl who after giving me a BBBJ was about to climb on top of me bareback. She seemed quite surprised when I insisted on wearing a condom. </i>
Are you fucking kidding me? Is this true? That's pretty frightening if it is. If so, then I'm sure the AIDS rate in Korea is probably a lot higher than people there are willing to admit. Just look what's going on in China.[/i][/QUOTE]
Just to clarify this:
Of the half dozen times I have been to Miari this was the first time a girl wanted to do it bareback.
[QUOTE]As for my comments on Miari, a few friends told me about it. Mind you, they were Korean, so it could be that they had alterior motives. One of them said flat out that they don't accept foreigners. Maybe he just doesn't know or it could be that he doesn't want me to bone Korean chicks. [/i][/QUOTE]
I have several Koreans whom I think of as pretty good
friends - a couple very good friends. However none of them
have ever seemed the least bit interested in setting me up with
a Korean girl - pro or not. I would disregard any info you receive
from a Korean man and check it out for yourself of find another person who might have the information. I have heard too many times from people on this and other boards who hear from Koreans that Miari is either closing or they don't take foreigners.
Miari is definately alive and well and the "best BANG for your buck" in Seoul". Korean men , in general, are not interested in helping foreigners have sex with Korean women. Of course, there are exceptions but I would double check any info you receive.
amateur, yes been by that barbershop and does not look so bad. ;) Would still like to meet the girl again from the noraebang karaoke bar around the corner and get her number! Please tell me you got a name!!
I would echo comments about Miari but I would recommend find a place you like and keep it your secret. All of the store fronts have numbers and the last thing we need is a bunch of us foreigners around to give the place a bad reputation. Not that I care what the Korean men think, just don't scare the girls away.
Was there this past weekend and it was 80% foreigners walking around and by 11pm, most girls had either gone home or shut down. Windows were closed everywhere and you could even see the Koreans leave after 1 walk through after seeing so many Indian, Thai and American men walking around.
seoulmate:
I feel your pain man. I have bunch of Koren friends, but none of them wants to hook me up with Korean girls. I'm chinese. But then again, what kind of guy with the right mind would be so unselfish to introduce a hottie to a friend when he himself can attempt to hook up with her. Unless of course that person already has a girlfriend. I recommend befriending korean girls for only friendship. Maybe they can introduce you to her friends who you migth be more inclined romantically.
stud_lee:
shit! I'm scared shitless to hear your story. I'm pretty sure the prevalence rate for AIDS and other venereal diseases are low compared to the western nations in the past, but I'm not so sure to bet my life on it. I'm petrified over asian people's lackadaisal approach in keeping the rubber on. I wish people wear condom more frequently. 10 second of pleasure is not worth the lifetime of misery.
Guys, it sounds like Korea sucks compared to Japan. One male Japanese friend of mine and his girlfriend seemed to enjoy thinking about which one of her friends they were going to set me up with next. They would ask me things like "do you like small or large breasts?", "do you like sexy girls or cute girls", etc ... One guy I work with was even going to set me up with his sister, but nothing ever came of it. Japanese girls are very interested in foreign guys, maybe because Japanese guys tend to not treat them so nicely (to put it mildly). One other thing, black guys here seem to have it especially good. An ex-girlfriend of mine told me that one of her friends dated only black guys ... she said she loved the contrast of dark skin next to her white skin. I suggest you guys try picking up Japanese girls on vacation in Seoul, I bet you will have some nice results. One final note, lots of J. girls are happy to do it bareback, and have you come on their tits or wherever. It's both a blessing and a curse if you know what I mean (it is so hard to say "actually, I better use a condom" when you're with a sexy, 23 y/o Japanese ordinary (i.e. non-pro) girl).
None of you guys answered my question about Apkujong! Anyone???
Fishmonger: Yeah, Korea sucks compared to Japan for sex. However, I wouldn’t say that Korean girls aren’t interested in foreign guys. I think a lot of them are, but they’re just scared shitless of what the guys might think, say or do. It’s a far more rigid and conservative society than Japan, if that’s even possible. But even so, you have Itaewon and there are plenty of girls over there for the sole purpose of meeting foreign guys. One word of caution to black guys: do not under any circumstance say that you’re from Nigeria! They have an absolutely horrible reputation there.
Actually, I have two Korean guy friends who have tried introducing me to Korean women. One is a bit of a looser with women and he only likes white girls, but he’s tried at least! The other introduced me to this one chick who was pretty nasty, but had the most cheerful and delightful personality. I would ask her to marry me if there was an easy way of getting her Stateside. So there are a few - very few - exceptions to the rule.
The rest, however, make every excuse in the book when it comes to introducing you to a Korean girl. Even if they say that they will help, they don’t. If you’re in Korea and dying to hook up with a Korean chick, try and befriend a foreigner who’s dating one already. I’m sure they’ll be more than glad to help you out.
Yaoming: It seems that Koreans don’t like using condoms and Korean girls, even pros, are completely at ease with this. What few realize is that a lot of these guys go over to China, Indonesia, Thailand or the Philippines for some fun - sans condom, of course - and come back over to Korea bringing the desieses they pick up over there with them. And it spreads. I think AIDS and any other venereal disease is much higher in Korea that most people would think. The government and the people, of course, will deny such problems even exist. “Korea is the perfect society. There is no crime, no homosexuality, no drugs, no AIDS. All foreigners are dirty, stupid and have AIDS.” Etc. But of course, we know better. You just have to be careful just like you would in any other place - Korea is no different.
Is this true that Japanese girls are more interested in dating foreigners?
Does anyone know where Japaneses girls living in Seoul hang out?
I don't know anything about Apkujung but there are beautifull girls all over Seoul and I would guess you could luck out and find someone anywhere. But why not go where your odds are the best. The Korean girls in Itaewon are there because of foreign guys!
I met a beautiful Korean girl last Friday in Itaewon. Went out with
her on Saturday and am seeing her tomorrow night. I'm having lunch tomorow with a second one that I met recently on a bus.
When it rains...
I heard pros in Japan are less likely to take foreigners than Korean pros. True?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulmac
[i]I would echo comments about Miari but I would recommend find a place you like and keep it your secret. All of the store fronts have numbers and the last thing we need is a bunch of us foreigners around to give the place a bad reputation. Not that I care what the Korean men think, just don't scare the girls away.
Was there this past weekend and it was 80% foreigners walking around and by 11pm, most girls had either gone home or shut down. Windows were closed everywhere and you could even see the Koreans leave after 1 walk through after seeing so many Indian, Thai and American men walking around. [/i][/QUOTE]
If this is true that Miari was 80% foreigners maybe they will
realize where the money can be made.The main reason that foreigners are turned away is because of Korean men. If Korean men are only 20% then maybe the y will have less influence and the girls will less likely care what they think.
Just a thought!
Who's been to (or heard of) Incheon "Yellow house" and has anyone been there....maybe its been closed since the new airport was built, as I don't hear much about it anymore.
Hi there
on october 22nd i will visit seoul for 4 days.
pls give me advice for what kind of action i can get . brothels etc....
prices....cutoms...
thanks guys
Diego, Hong Kong
seoulmate:
Korean brothels are never going to reach 80% foreigner mark. the little permission of foreigners in their brothels now is probably something that will go away in several years. 80% foreigner and 20% native is thailand's rate. Korea will never be that accomodating or poor to let foreigner infiltrate their RLD like that. A foreigner had no problem going to a RLDin japan in the 50s and 60s as government allowed foreign capita to flow into their economy, but as soon as they had surplus of foreign capita, they pretty much barred foreigners from using their RLD. Same logic going for Korea right now. This is the story I heard from a friend of mine. In the 70s, the Korean gov't actually promoted foriegners(mainly japs) to use their RLD to stimulate influx of foreign capita, but now with foreign reserve of more than 100 billion dollars, they're simply not going to use that kind of means to attract foreign capita. The same story can be said about Taiwan (my native country). 80% foreigner and 20% Koreans in places like Miari is just not a feasible possibility. I understand your wish though, I also have that kind of wishful thinking. Foreigners allowed to roam around in Korean *****house would be awesome, but Korea is simply too rich to allow such things to happen. Maybe Thailand, but not Korea. I have a firm belief that thing are going to get much worse in the future. Whatever sex you get in korea right now, don't take it for granted, it will be gone in a heart beat. The gov't is already making proposal to revamp their red light districts. They believe that such places taints their country's image to foreigners. They are going to do everything in their hands to hide RLD from foreigners. I guess it bears bad image for their country in their opinion. I too wish that Korean RLD are more liberalized like amsterdam, but I believe there is no chance of that. I think someone mentioned that the foreign men are: thai, indians and americans. The perception of foreigners in Korea is not good from my understanding especially, South east asians and indians. Being dark skinned in Korea is a curse, there is no chance that anybody dark will be liked in korea. And there aren't enough white people in korea, catering to them would be disastrous as it will dispell korean men. They have the wrong perception that white people are disease-ridden. It seems that the only foreigners that RLD cater to are other East Asians who are morphologically undistinguishable from Koreans like Japanese and Chinese. I for one don't like this sort of discrimination, but it's all part of the buisness I guess. Korean mobs control most of RLD and I guess they are faithful to such thinking because using a non-discriminatory tactic would eventually hurt their buisness as most of their clients-the natives are dispelled becaused of the presence of foreigners.
totally agree with yaoming's comments:
i have been traveling on business to seoul over the past 8 years (and all around Asia - IMHO you really can't beat BKK for overall quality, service and value for money)
korea is now an OECD country and fully on its way to being recognized as an "fully industrialized" country / economy - japan is a good model to look towards for precedent and future trends - most of the red light establishments are strictly for locals and true "insiders" - ie. speak the language, built up trust with an establishment...
miari and most barber places will continue to service foreigners but for how long? i guess all good things must come to an end... but thank your stars for Thailand =)
Seoul: I have to admit that this is one city I was not on my own. I was taken for an evening of entertainment. ahem! ahem!.
These folks can drink ! So, the place I went to, I was the only outsider - My hosts in Seoul has alerted the mamasan - We ate, we drank, and I sampled a tender sweetie.The quality was far superior to what one could find in say the AMPs of NYC or LON. Forget the language skills. I was offered someone and I'm sure she was instructed to take real good care of me :)
Yaoming: Spot on! That's an excellent analysis of the situation in Korea -- I full-heartedly agree with most of your points. I disagree with your assertion about Koreans being more discriminatory towards people with darker complexions. I find that Koreans are outright hostile to any foreigner regardless of your skin tone. If you are white, black, Chinese, Japanese, Indian or even a Korean from a foreign country, you will be given a hard time. I have some Korean-Canadian friends who go over there and really struggle to fit in. One of them lived in Seoul for 18 years before moving to Vancouver and speaks perfect Korean! He goes back periodically and is treated differently than the natives. Also, you said you’re from Taiwan. What is the situation like there? I don’t find the Taipei board as informative or “mature” as this one, so I don’t really trust what’s said there. As I understand, the Taiwanese are much friendlier towards foreigners than the Koreans and even the Japanese. Maybe it translates the same way in the brothels too? Most Chinese here in the NYC area are of Taiwanese decent and I find them to be very friendly people. I’m assuming it translates over there as well.
Seoulmate: There are not many Japanese living in Seoul. There are many Japanese tourists though who go to take advantage of the cheap shopping – Korea is an absolute bargain compared to Japan. You can find them around many tourist sites or shopping areas. I found quite a few at the Gyeoungbokgung palace and the Gyeounghuigung palace. They’re also at any of the major shopping districts like Dongdaemun or Youngsan. Japanese seem to like department stores too, but I cannot tell you the name of any in particular. Or you might just luck out like I did and meet some on the subway. They’re pretty easy to tell apart. Oh yeah, I saw quite a few get off at Chungmoro subway station. I have no fucking clue what’s over there though. Maybe they were transferring?
I also heard about Japanese pros being less likely to accept a foreign guy than Koreans, which says a lot! On the flipside, it’s so easy to pick up a girl over there that you’d be crazy to pay for sex!
A lot has been said about the negative aspect of the Koreans and their culture. Some of those observations are accurate. However, I just returned from my trip to Seoul and it was quite a memorable trip and experience for me.
The trip was a short one, two nights/three days. The president of my partner company picked me up for dinner and the night of fun. This is quite remarkable considering that he's almost 20 years my senior. In a conservative Korean society, it's certainly very unusual for a person of that rank/age to afford someone my age such respect.
The entertainment involves going to a fairly upper class room salon. I was given the first choice of girl to sit with and the one I chose is very cute even by Korean standard. She speaks very little English so my partner had to help with the transalation work alot of time.
All the girls and the mamasan seem to like me quite well as they consider my look to be attractive. I was very surprised to find out that toward the end of the night, the girl I'm sitting with will be going back to my hotel with me courtesy of my Korean partners.
The other three also took their respective girls back with them but for a short time...with the usual custom of the president being the old man having to "go home" first. As for me, they got my girl to stay with me until the morning.
Again, they went out of their way to ensure that I got the best treatment. Never once did I feel out of place for being a foreigner. If anything, it's almost as if my foreigness makes it even better...as ironic as it may sound in Korea.
The experience I had with my girl was very GFE. Next afternoon, the mamasan of the establishment called to find out if I was satisfied. She said that my girl wants to see me again that evening.
The mamasan wants to know what time I have available so she can have her girl leave work to see me. All this without paying. Wow. However, I did find out from my girl that the bill the night before, just for my split were around $800 USD.
The girl came to meet me at the restaurant at Hyatt. She took me to discotechque and shopping at Namdemoon market. In case you're wondering, she pays for her own drinks, our food, and cab fee. The only thing I paid for that night was the souveniers I bought.
She accompanied me back to my hotel where I had several great GFE sessions with her. She stayed with me until I checked out for the airport. If she's to be believed, she'll be coming to visit me in BKK. Based on my exprience, there's no reason not to because working girls in Korea are less predatorial than their counterpart in BKK.
Sure I missed going to 855 but it looks like quality wins out over quantity on this trip.
Thaidude: You are lucky to have the Korean guys treat you to a room salon. I also have Korean business friends take me to room salons. They would do it weekly if I let them. But I don't want to take advantage of the hospitality as there is no free lunch and the price they pay is always over a thousand dollars even without paying for the girls. Most of the girls in Karaoke and Room salons are nice. Some could even become your girlfriend. I have been in Korea a few years and it is easy to pick up girls but harder to take them to bed as easy as years ago. If I have a girlfriend it doesn't last too long as they either push to get married or I get tired.
I have to take exception to a statement made du Stud_lee
in his last post.
Stud_lee wrote:
"I find that Koreans are outright hostile to any foreigner
regardless of your skin tone"
I'm not sure what country you were in but it certainly
isn't the place I've spent the last 5 months. Of course,
there is always some people in any country who will take advantage of foreigners or give them a hard time. I know about foreigner pricing in some shops and markets. Is this any different from anywhere else. I spent years managing electronics stores back home and know of several occasions where I heard of someone selling a video camera or VCR to tourists from Europe knowing the eqiupment would not work when they returned home. There are very few foreigners in Korea relative
to other counties and you will get stared at. It's probably more surprise or curiosity than hostility. I have found the Korean people caring and always willing to help me if I ask or often even when I don't. I have made a few very good Korean friends here. One is the owner of a bar who I met the first week I was here. Last month he closed the bar for four days when I had a break from work and the two of us drove through the East Mountains and went camping and fishing together. Another friend
showed up at my apartment one morning with the cable guys and hooked up my TV and paid in advance for the rest of my stay in Korea. I had decided not to bother with TV here but he said I must be lonley after work in the evenings. These are people I have met that didn't have to do these things. I am regularly asked in the street and in the subway by English speaking Koreans if I need help or directions.When I visited one of the Palaces here the tour was in Korean. A Korean man there with his family took it upon himself to translate most of it for me. korea is a different country and the people are different and you will be treated differently than you will be at home. If you want to be treated like home I suggest you don't leave home.
Sorry Stud, but I couldn't let that one pass.
Back to the sex!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by thaidude
[i]A lot has been said about the negative aspect of the Koreans and their culture. Some of those observations are accurate. However, I just returned from my trip to Seoul and it was quite a memorable trip and experience for me.
The trip was a short one, two nights/three days. The president of my partner company picked me up for dinner and the night of fun. This is quite remarkable considering that he's almost 20 years my senior. In a conservative Korean society, it's certainly very unusual for a person of that rank/age to afford someone my age such respect.
The entertainment involves going to a fairly upper class room salon. I was given the first choice of girl to sit with and the one I chose is very cute even by Korean standard. She speaks very little English so my partner had to help with the transalation work alot of time.
All the girls and the mamasan seem to like me quite well as they consider my look to be attractive. I was very surprised to find out that toward the end of the night, the girl I'm sitting with will be going back to my hotel with me courtesy of my Korean partners.
The other three also took their respective girls back with them but for a short time...with the usual custom of the president being the old man having to "go home" first. As for me, they got my girl to stay with me until the morning.
Again, they went out of their way to ensure that I got the best treatment. Never once did I feel out of place for being a foreigner. If anything, it's almost as if my foreigness makes it even better...as ironic as it may sound in Korea.
The experience I had with my girl was very GFE. Next afternoon, the mamasan of the establishment called to find out if I was satisfied. She said that my girl wants to see me again that evening.
The mamasan wants to know what time I have available so she can have her girl leave work to see me. All this without paying. Wow. However, I did find out from my girl that the bill the night before, just for my split were around $800 USD.
The girl came to meet me at the restaurant at Hyatt. She took me to discotechque and shopping at Namdemoon market. In case you're wondering, she pays for her own drinks, our food, and cab fee. The only thing I paid for that night was the souveniers I bought.
She accompanied me back to my hotel where I had several great GFE sessions with her. She stayed with me until I checked out for the airport. If she's to be believed, she'll be coming to visit me in BKK. Based on my exprience, there's no reason not to because working girls in Korea are less predatorial than their counterpart in BKK.
Sure I missed going to 855 but it looks like quality wins out over quantity on this trip. [/i][/QUOTE]
Thaidude, after living and working in Korea for ten years, and doing business in Korea for 20 years. I can tell you one thing about your trip to Korea. The girl from the saloon room was on the pay roll the whole time you were with her. Your business friend in Korea, told the mamasan to insure the girl takes care of you, during your visit. To also insure that you do not pay for anything. I have been doing business in Korea for to long time, that is common in Korea. For coming BKK, thats is probaby true, because one of the growing countries for Korean to go on vacation to is Thailand. She is looking to have some fun, and probaby enjoy the time with you. Enjoy it, but remember somebody is paying for it.
thaidude, count your blessings as you did what others can only dream of, screwing on someone else's dime! :) Consider yourself lucky as Korea is the only country I have come across where the prostitutes are selective and picky and where money is not always king, unless it is endorsed by a local or you are willing to pay more than the US! (at least that is my benchmark and if I am not willing to pay $300 in US why would I pay it elsewhere?!?).
I am jealous of your experience but glad you had a good time. Could only wish I could have "fallen in a love for a day" as well but think I will have to go to another Asian country to do so. Being 30, decent looking and in shape and still not getting any action is taking a toll on me personally here. Think it is time to visit Thailand or Phillipines for the first time. Will I be extremely overwhelmed by all of the emotional stimuli after departing from such a cold, impersonal country?!?! Who knows. Will find out in November though.
I agree totally with seoulmac, enjoy what you had. I lived in Seoul from 83 thru 93 and had alot of fun in Korea, back then. I had a great network of friends both Korean and Foreigners, the fun was to be had everywhere. The locals would love to be with us from the west. I could go most any where and could speak Korean. Now in my upper thirties, still able to speak Korean, it is total different.
Korea is a total different place now. Outside the tourist areas, girls are in a whole new game. The males in Korea are making it harder and harder for the girls to be seen with foreigners. They tell the girls that it is disgrace to be with men from other countries.
The main reason for this is male to female are not equal in Korea. Right now there is about 2 males for every female in the 18 to 35 year old area. This happen un-natural during the 70's thru early 90's, couples would test at the earliest possible date, if the un-born baby was male or female. If they were female, they were abort the baby to have a male child. Which can not be done any more. Because of this for many years, now there is to many males in Korea, causing the males to go to the Philippines, China, and Southeast Asia for wifes. There is also many families, buying there sons wifes from these countries also. I know one family that bought their son a wife from main China for $2000.00, site un-since. They could not even talk to each other for months. What kind of marriage will this be. Because of this males really dislike there girls to be hanging out with westerns.
I have been married to my Korean wife for 11 years now. She was a walkway and magzine model in Korea for clothes, when we got married and still has the look of a model. Everytime we go back to Korea together, you should hear what the Korean Males say to my wife pasting in the streets when we are together, not knowing I know Korean.
The playing fields in Korea has change alot. It is more like Japan now! The Korean womem still like western, because how we treat our women. But pressures from friends and family can change their minds.
So enjoy the fun when you can in Korea, especially when your host is paying.
Seoulmac, if you have never been to Thailand. You need to make a trip there. It is really the Adult Disneyland of Asia. You will not believe it. The Philippines is fun, but personnal security is a concern. Thailand is the ticket for fun!
Hey, Seoulmate. Perhaps I was a bit harsh with that statement. I will not deny that I was treated well by many people in Korea. I will go as far to say that I probably was treated better there than anywhere else in the world I have been to. Koreans, especially those you know well, will treat their guests like royalty. Sometimes it went too far that it was embarrassing. I met a lot of cool people there, including a very nice woman at the observation deck on 63 who introduced me to her whole family. Yes, there are some great people there and I would never deny it. It's these people that made me really sad to leave and make me want to go back.
On the flip side, there are plenty of assholes as well, particularly some of the men. I met an old college female classmate of mine who lives in Seoul now. This girl is not my girlfriend and I made it pretty apparent that she wasn't. You wouldn't believe the stares and jeers we both received walking down any old street. One guy threatened to kill me (she translated it). I don't know what kind of treatment you would call that, but it seems a bit harsh to me! Even walking down the street by myself generated stares...or I should say glares. And not the friendly type. Most people were pretty chill, but there were enough of the bad apples to make me notice. I didn’t even get this in China, which is supposedly “openly racist”. A few foreign friends of mine who live in Korea say they receive the same type of treatment. They speak Korean and hear some Koreans talk shit about them behind their back, thinking that they "don't understand." They say it happens all the time. Also, the fact that most Korean men (and many here have complained about it on this site) won’t offer to introduce their friends to Korean women pretty much sums up the whole attitude.
So, you’re right that it ain’t Kansas, but it doesn’t need to be the South Bronx.
I think Jimhart’s explanation of everything gives me a better understanding of the situation and how things work. Good job!
So, yes, back to sex…Jim, you seem to know Korea inside and out. Apkujeong seems to be an absolute haven for young and beautiful women. Do you know anything about the scene over there? Is it easy to pick up girls? Also, do any of you know anything about Taiwan?
Hey, what's wrong with the South Bronx? Just kidding. Reading your report makes me glad I'm in Japan and not Korea. I can count on one hand the number of times Japanese guys have even looked at me (glared would be too strong a word), and they always look away the instant I start looking back at them. On the other hand, I've had a hard time getting to be friends with Japanese guys. They're so non-expressive, and always say "maybe" or "anything is OK", it's hard to tell if they like you or hate you. I have had good success with the ladies though.
One last thing, not related to sex but, is BoA actually popular in Korea or is that just an in Japan thing? Anyway, she's a hottie!
Nothing's wrong with the South Bronx! LOL. I've never had any problems there, but maybe I've been lucky. It isn't the safest area in the world, but some neighborhoods have become a prime location for prostitution. :D Hunts Point comes to mind; that place is great...so long as you watch out for yourself.
BOA is fucking hot! I also love the girls from SES and Jewelry. Occasionally, some of these girls get into sex scandals -- they get boned by their former managers and it's all caught on video tape and someone releases it on the Internet. Two that immediately come to mind are Baek Ji-young and Jin Joo Hee. Baek Ji Young was the Britney Spears of Korea. Then this tape of her fucking her ex-manager surfaces and it ruins her career. Her ex-manager placed a hidden camera in the room they did. From what I hear, she’s trying to stay strong and re-launch her career. You go girl! Jin Joo Hee was a gorgeous young actress who apparently was drugged and ended up doing some porn flick with this Japanese guy. She’s pretty spaced out throughout the whole shoot, but that tattoo on her pretty ass and he way she sucks on that man’s dick shows that she’s no newbie squib! Both videos are available on Kazaa. I would recommend both, but especially the Jin Joo Hee film (and the longer version of that), it’s a long-ass download, but the picture quality is unreal, as is the action and camera work – perhaps the best porn video I have ever seen. Certainly worth the long download.
Seoulmac. Will probably sound biased coming from me but I would choose Thailand over Philippines anyday. My Korean and other hobbyist friends have nothing but praise for Thailand after their visits. If you need any tip, visit Thailand forum and ask me.
Stud_lee. My friend got me videos of both Baek Ji Young and Jin Joo Hee and I totally agree that they're hot. While I don't necessary agree with the way it's done, especially in Baek Ji Young's situation, I can't help but enjoy it anyway.
Jimhart69. I've been doing this for awhile so the thought did come to mind she was still on payroll. The person assigned to take care of me on a daily basis was the manager at my partner's company. I have a good friendship with him so we are pretty open about things.
He was very frank about this situation because I made sure to ask. If the same answer were to come from the president himself, I would have very strong doubt that it's free because it would be within his personal character and business etiquette to not reveal this fact to me.
Their company is not a big chaebol with unlimited entertainment fee. Heck, when we first met, the President didn't even want to entertain me in Korea.
You can call me naive but in this case, ignorance is bliss :)
Seoulmac,
Thailand is the real place for good adult fun in Asia. Go to stickmanbangkok.com, He has some real good information for a person that has not been to Thailand before. If you need more infor, just e-mail me jimhart69@hotmail.com. I am going on another Asia Business trip, the 29th of November thru 20th December. Starting in Seoul ending in Thailand. Trust me, Thailand is where the fun is!
Stud-lee,
Apkujeong, I have been there a few times, with friend, more for the partying, than the girls. So I can not give you to much information. Most of the time on my more recent trips to Korea, for adult fun, I go out with supplier to Salon Rooms. The business thing. All my old haunts are not operating any more. So I do not have much infor for you in Seoul. I am always looking for information. When I live there, I had alot of information. I love playing in Korea, but you need to be a little of a insider to have fun in Korea.
just got the mentioned movies from Kazaa. Damn good!
If you know of more please let me know.
What are the movies store under, on Kazaa? Thanks!
Search for Baek Ji Young and Jin Joo Hee...and ENJOY!!! ;)
There are two versions of the Jin Joo Hee video available on Kazaa. One is 26 minutes long and the otherl asts over 40 minutes. Get the 40 minute version! I cannot stress that enough. The picture quality is much, much better and there are no cuts. It's a much bigger file, but believe me, it's well worth the extra HD space!
what's up Stud_lee
you made a pretty accurate assessment based on the years that you have stayed in the orient. Like you I have met assholes of korean background as well as assholes of other identities. However, I believe that Korean guys based on my long friendships with them allow me to think a little differently. Sure they give you the stares, and the occasional namecalling, but relatively speaking with men of other races, I believe that they can actually qualify as pacifists. The worst they can do to you is call you a yankee, and your physical safety is never in jeopardy. When I was going to a boarding high school in Pennsylvania, I had a tough time dealing with some of the white guys in my school. As the only asian in the class, I was constantly jumped and beat up, one of them actually stabbed me with a broken glass while I was constantly being bombarded with ethnic slurs such as chinks and gooks. When I transferred to a private school in maine, the table was reversed as I found myself within a gang of asian bullies, pretty much bunch of thugs from japan, taiwan and korea, who pretty much bullied white kids that were actually a minority at that particular school (these kids were assholes as well as they came from wealthy family as some how maintained diplomatic immunity even though they were physically abusing white guys, couple of them had fathers that were involved with korean mafia and japanese yakuzas). The point of the story is that you will see assholes across every cultures and these assholes are always going to prey on the weak or the side that is outnumbered. Somebody asked me about Taiwan. Yeah Taipei has some RLDs but they are not as prominent as other countries. The girls I believe are not as attractive. I'm not a native taiwanese, I'm a ethnic northern chinese stock, morphologically more similar to koreans than the ethnic taiwanese, so I don't find these girls very attractive. China on the other hand has some of the most beautiful girls in the world, espesically in the areas of manchuria. However, I would not risk my life for it as chinese gov't is very strict when they feel like enforcing restrictions. - peace
I will be in Seoul from 11/11-19. Would like a buddy to go venture with.
I am Asian living in Canada.
tondeuse@yahoo.com
Haven't been here in awhile since the boards were down for so long.. but I see a whole bunch of new discussions.. let me chime in on a couple things here...
First Korean girls and Foreigners... If you are in a big city like Seoul, you are not going to get harassed if you are seen with one. It /does/ happen, but its the exception, not the rule. You will get stared out.. but Foreigners get stared at anyway. The occasional problem with arise, but in my 6 months with my Korean girlfriend its happened a total of once.. and it was some drunk old ajoshi asking stupid questions.
As for Condoms, usually only the girls that offer full service on Hooker Hill ask that you use a condom. Otherwise, it doesn't matter. The sad fact of the matter is that a) most koreans don't believe they can get aids and b) korean women use abortion as contraception.
Lastly, girls being open to dating foreigners etc. In Seoul, there are /alot/ of girls that go out on Friday and Saturday nites looking just to score some white man meat. The biggest meat market for this sort of thing is the Hollywood Basement in Itaewon. It gets going around midnight and doesn't close till like 7am. If you go there you'll get the idea.. its all foreign guys and korean girls.. most korean men are barred entry. Its just a regular nightclub but, like I said, its a meat market. Don't worry about the language barrier, most of these girls speak enough english to get by, if they don't, they'll say so. They also use it as an excuse to tell you politely they aren't interested. The easiest girls to pick up in this joint are the older ones, early thirties. They're still quite attractive and have really nice bodies for the most part. The problem is you have to be patient with most Korean women, they play the game where they don't want to come off as *****s. So you have to work slowly. The fact is, they do want to have sex, but you really have to work up to it.
For instance, last week I picked up a girl there, when I got back to her place it was "you can sleep in my bed, but 'just sleep' ok?" So I'm like fine, we climb into bed and she starts to cuddle. Then its kissing.. then I move for the breasts and get the hand.. no problem.. I stick with the kissing for a bit.. then back to the breasts.. no hand this time.. then go for bare breasts.. get the hand... etc etc it plays out this way until she's naked, I go down on her with no resistance then she takes off my clothes. Anyway, the worst part is I didn't get to enjoy her much, because it took so long to get to paydirt I was so worked up and she was so amazingly tight I'm ashamed to say I didn't last very long. But I've played out this same script so many other times you should really expect it and don't be put off.
As for Condoms, usually only the girls that offer full service on Hooker Hill ask that you use a condom. Otherwise, it doesn't matter. The sad fact of the matter is that a) most koreans don't believe they can get aids and b) korean women use abortion as contraception.
You should see how these Korean girls at USA's AMP react to doing the deed w/o condom..they act like it is a religious thing to be covered!
Any suggestions for a barbershop or BBJ bar near the Hilton in Itiawan?
Where is the best pick up bar in Itiwan and what are the fees?
HI guys..
anyone got any Info on a bar called THe dragon..
it s the first one up the hill on the left hand side..?
anyone been serviced in their?
hahahaa..It still amazes me that ATTITUDE that some of these girls have on the hill or in Itaewon for that fact..
what a bunch of bitches..
now I know this site is for sex and good thoughts etc..
but I gotta be honest here..THESE Itaewon hookers, juicy girls are just plain NASTY, rude.. of course you get the nice ones in the litter, but generally, forget it! and its only one thing they want, MONEY! and once you have run out, get the F#$%K out...
so guys, be careful with Itaewon, they don't really know about customer service..
Of course there are some bars where you get that 20bucks blowjob or one lady drink finger fuck and suck..
but for the first time traveler, be CAREFUL!
they will rob you!!
NE BODY IN THE U.S ARMY STATIONED IN SEOUL, KOREA. CAN U GIVE ME MORE INFO AND IS IT WORTH IT. wHAT DO U DO THERE AND HOW IS THE ATMOSPHERE THERE. i MIGHT JOIN THE ARMY SO I CAN GET STATIONED NEAR ITAEWON. PLEASE GIVE ME INFO, THIS IS AN IMPORTANT DECISION,
Hi Guys,
I am new to the board and a new arrival to Seoul.
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with Russian girls? I've noticed some really young hot ones around, especially in Itaewan.
Speaking of Itaewan, could someone please post the directions to a bar call "The Hollywood Basement". I have yet to find it.
-Regards
Good night on the Hill recently, thought I would share. I know that many people would advise against this place but you have to admit that it is consistent!
Old club, new name. Can't remember exactly but it starts with an "A", a couple of doors up from the Royal Club on the right side of the street. Only one girl working type place, no booths, just couches. Door locked and curtain pulled down.
Hottie (at least in the dark), very *****ry (but still sexy, not the fat tramps style), not for those that like the little cuties (not many of those working anyway) Slinky skirt and shirt unbuttoned (actually don't think it had buttons.) Easily accessible. Girl used to work at the Royal awhile back but said she has been at the new place for about a year. "Better situation" says she, and I agree.
Went in, bought a drink for each of us (I know). Chatting and fondling for while, shirt came open and some booby-sucking comes along. She undoes my pants and starts BBBJ. Asks for another drink.
Comes back with drink, clothes off (hers) BBBJ continues. Go down on her, she's got three fingers in her pussy, talking and moaning all the way. Start playing with her ass and she says "my ass is only for cock." WOW!!
Says she wants to fuck. I say go. She says we need a condom. I ask how much the condom costs. She says 200, I laugh. She says, ok, 100, I say 50. She says ok.
Do her doggy for awhile, then she straddles me. Rides for about 10 minutes, pulls me out and sticks it in her ass. Rides anal for 10 more minutes.
Says she wants to suck my cock and have me come in her mouth. I say, "You're gonna swallow, right?" She says, "Of course! I love come."
Drops down to the floor, BBBJ for 5 minutes, come in her mouth and she swallows every drop. Next time I'm going to go for the facial, see what she says.
Total time investment about 1 hour
Total financial investment
1 beer (me) 4,000
2 drinks (her) 40,000
"Condom fee" 50,000
Return on investment
Mutual oral sex, multiple times
I get to watch her finger fuck herself (I LOVE that!!)
I get to finger (actually one, two, three, four finger)
Multiple sex positions (vaginal)
Anal sex
More BBBJ to completion, and she swallows
Like I said, good night.
Hollywood Basement is the Basement portion of the Hollywood Bar and Grill in Itaewon.
Anyway. If you get off at Itaewon Station you have the Hamilton Hotel on one side of the street and the Burger King on the other.
Go to the Hotel side of the street, facing the Hotel, turn Right. Walk straight for about 3-5 minutes, Hollywood is on the Left.
Go on a Friday or Saturday night and not before Midnight.
Its best to go with a friend, because most Korean girls go there in pairs and the younger ones will NOT leave their friends to talk with you, dance etc. Nevermind go somewhere to fuck you. But if you have two guys and start chatting-up a pair of girls its good news.
The otherside, is if you go for the older girls, late twenties, early thirties, they are pretty much up for anything. So you can go alone, they have no problem leaving their friends to fuck you or whatever. If you make progress with a girl, don't try to get any action in the Bar (kissing etc) most girls don't like this and don't want to show that sort of thing in public, but once you get them alone they want it all. They'll hold hands and shit, but not much more.
Unless you are a) really ugly or b) really old or c) old looking you can pick up here. Wait till near closing (6-7am) there is always a handful of girls left over just dying to score some meat. I'm young, but only average looking and have never failed to get some action here. Not always sex, but at the very least something/the prospect for something in the future.
hey gameover...thanks for the great story...do you remember at what time of the day you went and the name of the girl? Thanks for the opinion...sick of bad attitude girls at Itaewon...
Thanks to all the posters but have yet to find the free vesion of the Jin Joo Hee movie Ha Ha.
Will go to Seoul for 3 weeks in November 02 for work. Have worked in Asia for 12 yrs so know - i think - the score. Any one interested to meet up please email me.
I don't know the girls name, don't think I ever asked. Usually don't.
Time was probably around 1AM. Nice that soldiers have to been in now by 12, makes things a bit more friendly now.
Unfortunately, I think Itaewon has now lost a little bit of its edgy feeling. I remember going up there when the streets were packed till 5AM, always something going on. One time, after a night of drinking in HongDae (years ago), I was taking a cab home around 4. Shared the ride with a young Korean couple that I didn't know. We ended up going to Itaewon for drinks and dancing at Polly's, which was still booming. Guy ended up going to the bathroom, with a stop at a juicy bar across the street on his way back. His girl ended up at my house that night.
Hey all,
Have spent the last hour reading the last 10 pages, mostly great posts from Slow, Paddy, lighter, game etc. Thanks.
Having come from the HK, Thai, China scene things seem different over in Korea, certainly more expensive and sex for 10-30mins....no good for my $100..prefer a w**k.
Anyway interested to read about the pickup joint in Holywood basement. Any other places besides.
In the PRC most guys can pick up a reasonably babe in a Hotel disco, club, even MacDonalds (twice for me) and maybe (if she asks) give her something in the morning. But also lots of guys go over the top when negiotiating, 200-300 US is crazy money. Take care of you Hotel if after 2300, best to go back to her place OR register her if she is willing. Many a guest has been busted by the PRC cops.
Cheers
I will be in Seoul in the near future. I have noticed that many hotels list massage services. Do they all offer `special services` or is it only certain hotels?
Some math for PAID sex in Itaewon:
Bus to Itaewon: 1300
2 Girly Drinks: 20000
2 Reg Drinks : 8000
Sex w/ Condom: 60000
Taxi Home (for me): 20000
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Total: 109300
Your mileage may vary, if I wait till 5:30 am I can get the bus home for 1300 as opposed to 20k by taxi, since I live outside the city centre.
Now, last night I went to Hollywood Basement again, in previous posts I said don't go there till after Midnight. Well, let me say don't go there till after 1am. It doesn't open till 12:30 and doesn't fill till about 1:30. As usual, the place was packed with a nice array of talent and I was juggling two girls at once at one point. However, one girl was one I had picked up there before and she seemed keen for a sequel. The other was one who seemed really keen and I would have preferred to take her home, but I opted for the sure thing with the girl I had screwed before. Namely because the new girl wanted to leave with me, but we didn't get into details of where to go etc, she was visiting Seoul so didn't have her own place and my place is too far and its a pit so I don't like bringing girls there. Anyway...
The math for "FREE" sex in Itaewon:
Bus to Itaewon: 1300
Club Cover Charge: 10000
5 domestic beers: 25000
2 cocktails for chick: 14000
Food after the bar: 12000
Taxi to Her House: 10000
Sex w/o Condom: FREE! (woo!)
Bus Home: 1300
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Total: 87600
Not too big of a difference in Price. The big difference however, is that I got to fuck this chick three times in one night (all morning really, after a nap) wasn't rushed, etc. Again your mileage may vary.
Is Hollywood busy during the week or only on weekends? Is there such thing as Thursday Happy Hour in Itaewon bars?
Hi Lighter.
Yes i see about the maths and it is the same thoughout the chick hunting world. 50quid does not go far in Nightclub land but does in ***** land.
But i prefer the hunt better than the lay but unfortunately one could spend alot and get nothing in Clubland.
I may be going to Korea soon so perhaps we can meet up.
Numbers84 at Hotmail
Wolf,
Interested in the Massage...could you email me the info ama88@yahoo.com
Thanks,
For Guarantee FS at Barber Shop: I have been at this place few times. It is near Apgujung, across diagonally from Hyundai Department. The same block where Hotel Pop Green is located; as you exit from the hotel, on the left side of this block, there is a Daewoo auto dealership. If you look on this street further out, you will see one barber pole; it is the only barber shop on this street. At the barber shop building complex, there is a restaurant and you would head down the stairs about half flight of stairs and in the hall way, there is a small barber pole spinning. When you go, ask for Ms. Yim (or Ms. Myung) I forgot. She gives a GFE experience, including a nice foreplay as she would let you roam her body, I mean anywhere. She is a damn good rider as she loves to ride. She moans good, too. The price tag? KW 90,000 for one hour of bad massage (about 15 minutes) but nice shower with her and full service with some tip. If you are repeat customer, she would cut the chase on the massage and escort you straight to the back side of the hidden room with automatic door for the good time. Enjoy the ride guys.
Other Barber Shops: I have also been at others across from Coex and POSCO building area, where there are about dozen or so barber shop. One place next to a 24-hour grocery store, dont know the name, there is a barber shop one floor down of the same building as the grocery store. I paid KW 60,000 for handjob. The first time, I was there, I was lucky to get a girl who was in mid-30s, no full service as I was new to the scene and didnt know what to expect, except having a good time. She asked me if I wanted to cum with her hand job or in her mouth. As novice as I was, I told her, it was up to her and she gave me BBBJ and allowed me to cum in her mouth. I was very glad I had her to the oral on me as it was just awesome. I went back again few weeks later but she was with other customer and did not want to take chance with anyone so I left.
Miari: Only one experience while I was really drunk and could not get mine up for happy banging but do have a bad memory. As we passed many windows, I recall mama sans were pulling from everywhere. The next morning, I had bruises on my arms. Never went back.
588: Only one experience here but I went during a week day around 7:30 p.m. Found a cutie, age probably around 22/23, petite but nice plump tits (c cup). She asked for KW60,000. Once let into her cubicle, got undressed, she had a hot towel to wipe my dick clean; put on a condom and started her oral duty for about five minutes and got on top of me. After a while, I went into a missionary position and then finished off with a doggie. She was good as she was very tight.
Room Salons: I had too many compared to other experience and as a result, paid too much. Each time, I paid KW 300,000 for hour to 90 minutes. I had one particular girl who slept with me until she went to work as nurse. She came back next time to my hotel and spent the entire weekend. The best sex of my life was with this girl over one weekend. Almost fell in love with this one.
Went to Itaewon last night and walked the Hill for the first time to see what was up. I took the steep stairs next to Gulliver disco and entered that the top. A scantily clad semi-hottie popped out of a place on the right and scurried down the hill. As I followed a troll came out of a place on the left and tried to hook my arm. I gave her the slip and continued on. Halfway down the street I saw that the looker had gone into Tiger Tavern. Another girl came out and tried to get me to come inside. I asked her how much. She said it was cold and why don't I come inside. I made it clear I wasn't setting foot inside until we discussed price. She continued to try to get me to come in so I moved on. Next place to catch my eye was called Ambrosia. As I passed a leggy Korean, maybe early to mid 30s, with a visibly open blouse called out in fluent English. She said if I came in I only had to buy one drink for 4000 and nothing for her. I said OK. We went in, she locked the door and brought me my overpriced beer. Told me her name was Mindy, blah blah, and grabbed my crotch as we chatted. She asked if she could take a look so I said OK. She asked me if she could go down and I said no, let's talk price. She told me she has 9 levels of service from HJ to BJ to FS. I asked for option 4, which included FS. She quoted a price of 200,000. I laughed and told her this isn't the US. She dropped to 180 and I said get real. Then she said she'd give me a special price of 100 but I said no and countered with 50. She balked so I zipped up and kept drinking my beer. Since it was after midnight I figured the advantage was on my side. She said she'd give a HJ for 50 but I didn't go for it. I figured if I waited she would come down further, but really didn't care if I got laid or not. We chatted a while longer. She told me she had been hurt by men in the past and wanted to pay them back by loving and leaving them in return. On hearing that I decided she was a head case. I politely finished my beer and walked out. She recommended I try JJ Mahoney's and I think I will. My conclusion is that the Hill is full of over priced, bad attitude skanks.
Any action near Bupyeong station (Incheon)
I am staying there two more nights...pls tell me if i can get a cheap fu** there. I am lonely at nights and I dun wanna go to Seoul since it is too far.
thanks for your advice
D. W
tjoe-
Thanks for refreshing my memory!! If you read further down the board, I've a detailed account of a recent night at Ambrosia with Mindy, I believe. The description of her is spot on.
To summarize: 50,000 for mutual oral, finger fucking (she was doing herself, I did her too), multiple position vaginal and anal, bbbj to completion and she swallowed. I did buy her a couple drinks but it was worth it.
Tiger Tavern is always a sure thing but cost will vary. BBBJ always and usually before the drink price starts adding up. Sometimes free with more drinks. Sometimes they say, pay 60,000 (and buy no more drinks) and you can come in their mouths.
I personally love the Tiger and there are 2 girls there that I always can have a good time with. One night, I had them lock the door, got my 2 favorites in a booth, had them both strip butt naked and alternate BBBJs on me. I was fucking one naked girls mouth while eating out the others pussy. Wonderful night!!
just wondering if there are any places that cater to fetishes/domination etc...have not heard about any in seoul but surely in a city of this size there must be some people into it??
also wondering about the coffee shops..there is one around the corner from me and i have seen sluttish looking girls coming and going on scooters..is this what i think it is..a call out service..what are the going rates and has anyone had any good/bad experiences??
As for hollywoods, i agree its relatively easy to pick up women there...most of the girls i have met there do play all coy and hard to get, but its all just a pretences, 99% of teh women would not be there if they weren't looking for the same thing we are looking for..however the standard is not great, at least compared to other areas in seoul such as apkujong and kangnam..the women there arent as easy as in itaewon but are in the main gourgeous...
went to the dynasty hotel a few weeks back..was exactly as described in previous posts, really sexy girl, usual bath, rubdown, body massage etc...beautiful body, but all in all found the service impersonal and sterile..she didnt seem too interested and her "moaning" almost reduced me to laughter at one point it was so contrived...wondering about the barber shop around the corner that apparently provides a full body massage and soaping for a fraction of the price..anyone been there recently..what is the standard of girls like
cheers
Hotel Dynasty: I have been there few times and they had a change of ownership not too long ago and as a result, have raised their price. If paying cash, it is KW 180,000; credit card, KW 200,000 even though this practice is illegal in Korea. Girls working at this type of establishment tend to be in early to mid-20s, no older. It is their job so you would rarely get GFE experience.
Barber Shops: Girls working here tend to be in 30s, not younger. At least, I have never encountered anyone younger than mid-30 in my observation. These girls are over the hill types from room salons, etc.
Room Salons: Girls are usually in early to late 20's, and they look good. However, even here, too, hinging upon the class of the establishment, meaning the prices, you would encounter ugly ones at cheap room salons, typically, at 'dahl-lan-ju-jeum." If they are older, they are relegated to Barber shops.
Of course, fresh meat costs more as all of you know. Room salons that I have been to many times as a regular would run over KW 1,200,000 with three guys. On top of it, you want your girl to sleep with you, that is additinal KW 300,000.
I hope this helps.
Hi guys
this is my last night tonight. pls help me. I am staying in Bupyong (Incheon) . i saw some girls sitting behind glass here, but they didnt look too pretty. How much they charge ? Do they cater foreigners ? Also there are sometimes staircases going down to basement and the red light. what is that there ? pls help !
cheers
D. W
Too bad to hear about Hotel Dynasty. I've been there many times in the past and always had a good time. Yes, service may be a bit impersonal but it has always been the best impersonal I've ever experienced. I have been there since that rate increase (up to 180,000) and still had fun. Actually, I was thinking of heading over there today.
On the Steam Bath/Turkey Bath front, stay away from Green Grass Hotel near the Seollung Station. Last few times I had a difficult time getting FS. Didn't used to be that way. One girl told me that only Korean's get FS. I had her call the front desk and they said I was OK, regular customer (not really, actually. Not at GG) That one was good (actually, girl was really hot!). Last time there, couldn't get her to go for anything at all. I'm not going back.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]also wondering about the coffee shops..there is one around the corner from me and i have seen sluttish looking girls coming and going on scooters..is this what i think it is..a call out service..what are the going rates and has anyone had any good/bad experiences?? cheers [/i][/QUOTE]
Paddy - where is the coffee shop you're referring to? I may be heading to Seoul in November and might want to check out the delivery service :) Thanks.
Shiofuki
gameover,
yeah, on second reading I think we both met the same person. perhaps she was having an off night. when I met her she seemed to have a lot of anger towards men and it really turned me off. it sounds like her fee is 100,000 and she won't go below that. what are the costs like at tiger tavern? I might have gone in there if the girl at the door was more up front about the cost.
joe
About Mindy, I never said the girl wasn't nuts, just that I had a different experience (haha). Seriously, she doesn't really strike me as having her heard on completely straight. Maybe you want to try again, she'll forget about your first visit and you can start new.
Tiger prices? They seem to vary. I mentioned some down below. One problem with Tiger is that really have to be able to hang out awhile, buy some drinks, build up a "relationship." Then the good stuff happens.
Regular prices: about 120,000 sex, 60,000 blowjob (yep, might be high, please see my summary below)
Drinks: 3,000 (mine) 20,000 (hers)
Often, if you are buying drinks, the BJ just happens, no extra charge (that was my experience first time and that is why I continue to go back)
My two-girl deal (see other post) was 2 drinks (40,000) and 100,000 total for the fun.
When I first started going there, sex was never offered. Against policy. Maybe policy has changed, maybe they just know me better now.
Tiger isn't the cheapest Itaewon spot but I personally think it is the most fun. If I wanted cheap and quick sex, I'd go to 588. I go to Itaewon if I feel like hanging out and having a little fun (not just sex) I think the girls at Tiger are fun, have relatively healthy attitudes about what they do, don't pull this "I'm not a hooker, only handjobs" nonsense. They are there to get some drink money, suck your dick, and move on plain and simple. I've always had a good time there and I'm willing to pay it.
I am REALLY interested in hooking up with a Russian girl - any suggestions? Any clubs, areas, or outcall services that have the "Zdenka" GFE I'm seeking? Prefer something in the Itaewon area.
Thanks for your assistance.
RAYMAN....jin joo hee Video easy too find...
I have the log rare version too bad quality tapes though, you know back in thoese days the videos were not good,
I have alot pf Korean Amature shit..ask anyone of your adusi friends they have it..trust me!...lol
ok really, try kazaa...you will find it there for sure and many others
Folks, I read these posts with astonishment. I was in Korea 1978-79. When I read these posts it sounds like a totally different country. If my memory serves me right, back then it was 500 won to the dollar. An all nighter would cost about $20.00. I was stationed at Kunsan and lived (yobo) in A-town. Yoboed for about $100 a month. A trip to Osan every once in a while was nice. You could go to the bars and at closing time, just choose the girl you wanted to go home with. Like I said, an all nighter was around $20.00. I would like to hear from someone familiar with A-town which is between Kunsan AB and Kunsan City. My email is traveler_va@hotmail.com. I have been thinking about making a trip to Korea but not sure now. Traveler.
Traveler,
A-Town is still in operation down in Kunsan. I was station there, from 83-87, before I got out of the Air Force, than the prices were still $12-$20 a night, for LT. Also back than, brothel type house were $6-$12. The Exchange rate than was 950 to $1. You could party all night with $30. Things have change alot. The changes started happen about the time of the 88 games in Seoul. They real start to change fast in the mid-90s.
If you have not been there since the late 70's, it is not the country you remember at all. I was in the military in Korea from 83-87, and than worked in a business in Seoul from 87-94. I get to Korea, 4 times a year with business still and you can see the changes with every visit. When I look back to 83, when I got to Korea to today, the country has change 100 fold.
It is great to see some of the change, but not the other changes. The night life, in Korea is many times more expenese now. When I left in 94, girl drinks were 4000, now they are 20000, a beer was 2000, now they are 5000. In 83 the girl drinks were 1200, and a beer was 600. Than, you could drive from one end of Seoul to the other in about hour, now that same distance will take you 3 to 4 hour during the day because of traffic. Air is very, very bad in Seoul everyday, probaby worst than L.A. in the middle of Summer.
The changes are great in some ways and bad in others. If you are going to Korea for the Adult fun from old, it is still there in different way, but it is a new type of game today. For Adult fun, like the Korea of the late 70's and 80's, go to Thailand. It is still the way that Korea was in the old days. For seeing Korea, it easier to tour Korea now!
I was in Itaewon early Saturday evening for some business stuff and had some time to kill before meeting up with some friends later so I decided to stroll the Hill. It was about 8-8:30pm so things we still pretty quiet, not many people around at all actually. And because its so cold now, most places have their doors closed to so you can't see what the talent is like inside without opening the door. Some swung the door open as I walked by, but these were mostly ghouls...
Anyhow, I went to one place next to Polly's Kettle, or pretty close anyway (Polly's Kettle is a regular bar very popular with GI's for those that don't know) I didn't really want to go in, the girl was pretty but didn't strike my interest but she basically latched onto me and hauled me off the street. I was in a good mood (at the time) so I said what the hell, I'll have a drink. I get a cheap beer and she asks for a lady drink. She's already got her hands on my crotch at this point. I ask how much.. she says 20 and I just laugh and say 'No way' and she's like, "Ok, I can give discount but is for smaller lady drink" and I was just like "whatever, i'll pay 10 thats it" so I give her 20,000 for my beer and her lady drink.. she "forgets" to bring me the change, old trick, too bad I didn't realize it till after i left. bah. Anyhow, so she was really aggressive, asking me what I wanted, kept saying strange things like "I make you feel good, give you heartattack" so I said how much? She starts at 200... I say no-way she then comes down to 100.. I said I'd give her 60. She says OK. Then I ask her what that gets me? And she says, you know it don't matter, you pay then we make each other feel good. Blah blah. She kept on insisting for my cash and repeatedly refused to tell me exactly what i was buying. I certainly wasn't paying 60k for a fucking handjob. So she kept asking for the money and I asked her whats the rush.. she's like "no rush" then continued to ask for the money.. so i was like fuck it, I'm leaving. I also think this girl was either Thai or Phillipino because when koreans speak broken english they have a very distinctive accent, so do thais and phillipinos and this chick reminded more of a thai beer-bar girl than a korean girl... and i like to screw korean girls... i screwed enough thai bar girls in phuket when I was there in august..
Next bar, a few bars down, this cute girl in the door calls me over, she was nothing special to look at, but young, cute and had a cute voice, her english pretty good. So we go inside, same deal with the drinks, she asks for a 20k drink too and I say no-way. I told her I was a computer programmer and not some GI fresh off the damn plane. But she's like "No no.. drinks are 20k in Itaewon now.. blah blah.. she said she was 22, and probably was but she said she knew that prices went up or something".. anyway.. she started off really friendly and such and agreed on a 10k lady drink.. this time i made sure I got my change.. then we start negotiations.. I said I wanted Sex, I think she said something retarded like 300k for sex and I just laughed at her.. she acted like I was out of my mind for wanting it for less. So I told her I'd give her 80,000 for sex and she refused.. acted all insulted and such, saying that I was mean etc. Oh and that sex in Itaewon was expensive, that i went to Miari too much for that price. Well, I was like "what the fuck? Yongsan is a 1200 won cab ride away, maybe I'll go there and you get 0 cash" didn't say it but it was what i was thinking. I was getting pretty fed up at this point, then she offers me a blow-up and that I can cum in her mouth.. anyway, I forget the order of things, but basically she told me she'd suck my dick for 10 mins for 80,000 and if I didn't cum in that time too bad. She said "time was very important".. even though i Was the only guy in the bar.. (it was a fairly big place too for Hill style bars with the closed privated booths) so I was like screw that. I'm not paying that much cash when i might not even get to unload. So I was like fuck it, you want to be so greedy, now you get ZERO from me. She was so whiny and pushy about the money.. "I give you discount on drink and u want all for cheap" well sorry honey, I'm going to get gouged by you. So I walk out pissed, she's swearing in korean, I say something really nasty to her in korean that gets the papa-san in the joint yelling at me.. next..
So I'm pissed off, want to get off and just been milked by two joints for about 40k that could have otherwise been better spent... nothing looks too apetizing so I round the corner and go up the other street where there are a few more bars. This chick from Moulin Rouge invites me in.. so i say what the fuck.. this place looks like more of a regular bar with only one secluded area.. its got a pool table and everything.. anyway, the place is empty except for the two ladies working and one is an older but incredibly attractive women, early thirties, incredibly slender with nice soft skin. Anyway, I didn't have enough cash left on me to buy lady drinks, so i bought a beer and got right down to negotiations, so I settled for an overpriced 80k blowjob. I knew I could have got it cheaper if I paid for ladydrinks.. but i didn't buy any ladydrinks so it all adds up to the same. Anyhow, this lady was really patient, slow, tender and completely unrushed. She gave a very professional bbbj with a little foreplay.. light kissing, a little oil etc. She let me finger her as well. Afterwards, the other woman in the bar was all over me, hugging me and stroking me.. saying if i wanted any more tonight to come back and they would take care of me.. I was pretty sure I could tag team them for about 150k plus a couple drinks to get them up for it. But like i said, I was broke at this point. I asked the one lady the price for sex and she said 200k but I knew i could get her down but didn't bother cuz I didn't have enough anyhow.
So I basically got nicely ripped off and got copped an attitude in 2 out of 3 places.. i was not impressed at all. I had mostly good experiences on Hooker Hill till that night, girls never tried to gouge me like those ones did, so i guess it really is hit and miss. I knew one really good bar called "Rose" on the hill, but like so many it appears to have changed its name and now i can't remember which one it is because they all look alike. It was on the right hand side as you walk up, near the top. if anyone knows what its called now lemme know. There was one really hot chick working in there who gave great full service for cheap.
I think next time I /will/ go to Yongsan and spend 50k instead of dealing with the BS in Itaewon...
Wanted to check out an old haunt recently so went to the Turkey Bath at the New Hilltop Hotel. Had good successes in the past there and with the reported change in ownership at Dynasty and poor service at Green Grass, needed to check out some alternatives.
Overall, good experience. Standard Turkey Bath services, not much changes. She did use an ice cube on my ass and while giving me a blow job. That was a nice addition.
Complaints? Not open to receiving any services from me, other than the standard poke. Didn't like my licking her tits, but did allow me to finger her pussy while fucking.
170,000 won, decent looking, young girl with great body. Overall, recommended but if you can find something better, take it.
Thanks for the info on the 'Hollywood Basement'.
I was wondering if anyone knew about decent sex shops in Seoul. In particular I am looking to purchase some Porn Vids from North America. So far I can only find softcore Korean stuff.
thanks again
traveler:
Your experience seems fascinating. You're lucky enough to experience Korea before Korea made the rapid economic expansion. You're right, Korea has changed quite a lot since the 70s. S. Korea was actually poorer than North Korea back then for god's sake. Now it rivals some western european economies. I know that their GDP per capita has surpassed that of Spain and Ireland. My native country-Taiwan was like Korea too. I guess I should be proud of the economic progress, but I'm a little saddened by the fact that sex is so much more expensive now. That's why now I'm more set on going to amsterdam now. Amsterdam is actually now cheaper compared to Korea. By the way, what is yoboing?
Hey What is this...an economic forum.
As for those not in the know (like i was) The videos can be downloaded (for free) from Kazaa.com but first d/l their multimedia sharing tool, after that seach accordingly. The JinJoo Hee is great (and in my opinion knew the score from the start) the Miss Young not so good as she is on one side of the bed and the camera on the other but cute ass.
Download times are very long (12hr plus) so a permanent cable modem is a must.
RW_75:
I've tried to find some hardcore videos, but It was almost impossible because of the fact hardcore pornography is illegal. There are some illegal ones, but their qualities suffer quite a lot. Most of them doesn't even show the face. I don't think there are any legit sex shops in Korea. In fact, I don't think you will find any legit sex shops that carry hardcore porn in norht east asian countries like Taiwan, Japan, China, and Korea.
gameover:
I noticed that you weren't satisfied with the services in turkey bath. Did you goto the ones that were mainly catered toward foreigners? From what I have heard from my Korean friends, the ones that mainly serve Koreans are much better. You should definitely check out the ones that the natives go to. The ones that work in these hotels are just plain nasty. Not only are they ugly, they also have bad attitudes because they know that foreigner are not going to complaint.
Turkey Baths:
As far as I know, most of the places I've been primarily serve Koreans, with a few foreigners thrown in. For the record, I've been relatively satisfied with the spots I've been to, with a few exceptions. I'd be very interested, however, to know of some more places. Yaoming, perhaps you could let me know of some places your Korean friends frequent? Hotel Tiffany and Hotel Sunshine both wouldn't take me without a Korean (or quoted outrageous prices!) Maybe these places are a good bet?
Sex shops:
Don't know of any but there are places in Chongyecheon (near Tongdaemun Market) that sell/rent hardcore porn. I can't really give you anymore information but I went with a friend (Korean mafia type guy) up a back staircase and met with a guy with a black suitcase full of the stuff. The place was near the used video sellers under the freeway along Chongyecheon. Go up there and do a little investigating.
Hello!
I will be making my first trip over to Korea soon. I am staying in the area of Camp Casey (Army Base), any suggestions and/or guidance to a newbie from the U.S. would be great.
THANKS!!!!!!!!!!!
I will be in Seoul from 7th November, staying at the Hyatt. Can anyone tell me how I can get a girl to my room? Also what will the charges be?
Yaoming, "Yoboing", taken from the korean word "YOBO" meaning "sweetheart" etc.. GIs would shackup with a bar girl and pay expenses. usually hooch (apartment) money plus food, etc. Back then it was around $100 a month minimum. Of course, the more you could afford, the better your standard of living. A lot of guys end up marrying their Yobo. Others just leave when their tour of duty is up. Traveler.
Been reading this stuff for awhile, haven't seen any info along the lines of what I did last trip. Warning that it did not yield success for me last trip but seemed to offer enough potential that I'll try it again next trip, others might want to give this a try.
(But before I launch into the story, can anyone tell me - any freelancers work out of the Hard Rock, like they seem to do in most south east asian spots?)
Went out one night with a co-worker. We went alongside the Samjung Hotel to a nightclub, no English name. As you're looking at the hotel from the main road, the entrance is along the left-hand side towards the back. My friend said this was a club for people "over 30" (I'm closing in on 50 more rapidly than I'd like). I was also told that this place used to be extremely popular but that now most of the crowd had moved down the block to a similar place called Don't Tell Mamma.
Went downstairs and saw a huge room with rows of sofas and tables, an open area for dancing up front, two stages with live bands (so bands could switch with no break needed for set-up), ringed by private rooms with fogged glass doors.
We got a private room and ordered some drinks. The mamasan came in and asked what we wanted. Somehow my friend managed to convince her that I didn't know what I wanted and that she should let me feel her and judge. So she unzipped her blouse, loosened her bra, grabbed my hand and placed it on her breast. I felt for a while, asked to feel the other one, then she took my hand out. I said I still wasn't sure, needed to check further. So she put my hand back in, I looked at my friend, said "something like her would be fine".
We wait a few minutes and in comes a girl who's butt ugly. We send her away. Wait a little while more and in comes a second girl, worse than the first. My friend yells at the mamasan that he's going to lose face with his foreign friend (me) if she keeps sending in such ugly women. She says it's hard to find one that speaks a little English and is willing to sit with a foreigner. He yells some more, and after awhile in comes #3, and this time she's young and really cute. But my friend says we should reject her as well!
So we send her off, the mama-san comes barging in, yelling at my friend that she let the foreigner feel her breast and she sent in the best girl and we still rejected her. More back and forth, then the mama-san leaves.
My friend tells me that the booking fee just to have the girl sit with us is 90k, no action included. He says that lots of "regular" women come there looking to get picked up and we should just wait and see.
So we wait awhile and in comes woman #1. Not bad, not great. Doesn't speak much english but understands it if spoken slowly (this was to be the theme for the night). After a while she leaves, #2 comes in, better looking. Tells us she has a friend who works as an English translator, she's going to leave and come back with the friend. #3 comes in, cute but decides she doesn't like us. #2 comes back with her friend, fatter and uglier than any of the pros we saw earlier.
Finally #4 comes in. Perhaps a bit old for most of the people here, I'd say she was late 30s, early 40s. In terrific shape, very stylishly dressed (like most Korean women). But she's mostly talking with my friend even though she's also looking over at me a lot.
Here's where I blew it: I decide she's interested in my friend, I decide to give him some room to operate, and tell him I'm heading back to my hotel. The next day he tells me, five minutes after I left, the woman asked him "when is the foreigner coming back?" He tells her I've gone to my hotel and won't be back, and she immediately excused herself and left. Apparently she was interested in me, not him!
I was fascinated that we could be sitting in this place, in a private room, and that single, non-pro women would be interested enough to knock on the door, come in and have a drink and chat with us. And that some of them were drawn in by the fact that I'm a white guy and they wanted to check me out. I'll try this place again next trip.
On my ride out to the airport the next day, I had a driver who spoke great English. We got to talking about my adventures in Seoul and he told me he thought Samjung was the best place. He said he'd had other foreign guests who he would drive to Itaewon or JJ's and that those who followed his suggestion to try the Samjung were always very happy afterwards (and had spent far less money).
Mac, I sent you an E Mail from ag0956 account. Please respond - I will be in Seoul from 7th to 9th November.
thundergod, TDC rocks! (Note: there was a recent article in the Asian edition of Time about TDC, and it caused a bit of a stir in korea, but my last trip to TDC a few days ago proved that the clubs are still open--guess since local girls weren't involved the koreans really don't care much.) There are two main strips; outside CP Casey's main gate there over 50 clubs, and about a five minute walk from CP Hovey's gate there are about 15 clubs. I prefer CP Hovey as the area, known to the Americans as Tokori, and to the koreans as Gwang-ahm-dong, is a bit more laid back than CP Casey's front gate. Almost all the girls are Filipinas and Russians--sadly there rarely any koreans around. Some clubs specialize in one or the other, but some clubs offer both. Most mamasans (aka ah-ju-ma) have a firm control of the place, and if you're not buying lady drinks at $10 (all clubs price in dollars, and you get no foreign exchange advantage by using korean won) the girls may move on if there are other customers. Many clubs have sex shows on Fri and Sat nights. On-premise short times of 30 minutes for $60 are on offer at several. You may be able to bargain, but you have to haggle with the mamasan, not the girl. Really anything goes with the Filipinas. I don't fancy Russians so I can't give an account of their performance. All nights are available for a $$$ price. However, it's unlikely you can bring a girl back to your on-post housing. US Military curfew is at midnight Mon. - Thur. and 1AM on Fri. and Sat. Clubs usually close shortly after curfew starts. There a few inns nearby, and a room is typically 25,000 won--about $20 at today's exchange rate. They're clean and comfortable. So are the girls. If you're into it you can try to get the girl to give you a bbbj in one of the booths after you buy her a few drinks. Your girl won't be asking for more, but you can guarantee mamasan will send another girl over to ask if you'd like to buy another drink. Best on your budget is to cut to the chase and try to get her upstairs for a sort time a quickly as possible. I haven't the experience where buying a drink or two counts toward the $60 short time, so there really is no advantage to buying more than a drink if you're happy with who's beside you. I'm not going to recommend any particular place as the girls change, and getting a lay of the land is some of the fun. After a few months you'll want to check out other bases, and I recommend Song-tan, near Osan AB. Have a safe and enjoyable tour. As they in korea, oh-so-ship-shi-yo. Welcome.
Samjung Hotel, where is it locate? What area of town? What are the cost the private rooms? Drink? Is it a in-service type club or a take-out service club? Cost?
I have been in the Hard Rock many times on my visits to Seoul, I would say there is no freelancer working at the Hard Rock. You can get lucky with the girls hangout there, for a freebie for the night. But for working girls I do not think there are any. But it is a great place to hangout and have some fun!
hutsori:
yeah i read that article too. here's the link,
http://www.time.com/time/asia/magazine/article/0,13673,501020812-333899,00.html
yeah these girls are exclusively filipina and russian. not too enthusiastic about southeast asian girls, but I heard there is quite a fabulous selection of russian girls in Korea.
To jimhart69 ....
The Samjung Hotel is south of the Han river, along the same street as the Ritz Carlton, I think that's called tehranno or something along those lines.
It is not a nightclub in the Hong Kong or Japan sense of the word, it's a meeting place rather than a brothel. There are women working there, but no hanky panky within the walls of the club (at least not that I'm aware of).
In terms of cost, my associate paid the bill and we didn't avail ourselves of any professional services. But I think one can figure that if they are charging 90,000 won just for the girl to sit with you and keep you company, taking her out is gonna end up costing money.
Thanks for the info on the HRC.
Does anybody know of any thing happen around the Renaissance Hotel. Barber Shops, clubs, house, etc. for some fun?
I will be going to Seoul in about 2 weeks. Will be staying around Sung Buk-Gu area. Are there any good Turkey Bath/Salons with extras around there. This is my first time visiting Korea, any help you can provide will be appreciated. Also do those establishment only take Korean Won? What about U.S. currency? Thanks!
Hello everyone, this board has went dead in the last week or so. I am still looking for information on if there is any action around the Renaissance Hotel, Barber Shops, TurkeyBaths, club, and house. Any info would be great!
Hello everyone it has been awhile since I last posted anything. But for those that maybe wondering what I have been doing, let me tell you. I have been honing my negotiating skills up on the ¡°Hill¡±.
zhuhai_guy¡¦ use won you will not spend as much. Going rate for BB Shops are between 60,000 ~ 100,000 with 80,000 being the average. For 80,000 you should be able to get FS but ask before you enter all the way in.
jimhart69¡¦most any of the double BB shop poles you should have success for 80,000 won.
Once again I must emphasis that no one should pay more than 30,000~60,000 won for tang up there. I have been able to consistently get laid up on the hill for 50,000 won and under. In addition to that I do not buy drinks for them or myself there. Many of these girls want to get you in the bar before negotiating anything but once you are in there is less room for you to negotiate anything. I am sure that many of you have heard them say that they only want to talk to you for a minute inside the club. Try to avoid that situation if possible¡¦sometimes it is ok but I would rather not waste my time because once you are in they try to get you to buy drinks before they will talk to you about sex¡¦in addition they can get you bound up in buy a drink or two in addition to paying for sex. They will try to work the extra drinks into the deal. Granted you can say no to the drinks deal but then they might to try to downplay their services to HJ or BJ. They may say that they are not allowed to do it for whatever reason¡¦it is all BS¡¦they can do it in most places that have a concealed corner for play or if there is only one person in the club they can simply lock the door for a short while.
I am still in search of these Turkish bath joints that everyone is talking about. I would like to do a comparison with a TB and the double barber pole places. I have never been to the Dynasty because I have no idea where it is at¡¦if someone would like to share the location with me that would be great. I am also wondering about if anyone has any experiences at Capital, Hamilton, Crown hotels, and any other hotels in Gangnam, Namdaemung, and Sinchon areas. (Please include any other good places if not listed)
So long for now everyone going to the ¡°Hill¡± to get some more practice with negotiating. He He He¡¦
Turkish Bath Locations: Some Kangnam samples
Often called Turkish Bath, Turkey, Bath, Family Bath (can you believe this one?) or Steam Bath. Typically, written in Hangul so the above won't help you. Phonetically, Tuhkee Tang, Kajok Tang or Cheungki Tang will usually help.
Dynasty Hotel: Across the street from Ritz Carlton
Green Grass Hotel: Seollung Station, Ex. 1, towards the Seollung Tombs.
New Hilltop Hotel: Outside Hakdong Station (line 7) and up the hill.
Hotel Sunshine: (no subway near) Out Hakdong Station and walk towards Apkujong/Shinsa dong.
Young Dong Hotel: Shinsa Station, walking towards Apkujong
Hotel Tiffany: outside Chungdam Station (line 7)
A non-hotel turkey bath but exactly the same: No name, outside Hakdong station, on the main road before you turn up to the Amiga Hotel. It is a "sports-massage" or "anma" place. On the first floor is a nice-looking Japanese restaurant, in the basement is the good stuff.
Anyone got any locations outside Kangnam, please post.
I have been in Korea for six months and have only recently
heard of Tongduchon outside of Camp Casey. It sounds like it has different type of clubs than are available in Seoul - Lapdancers, strippers etc. . Anyone with more details about it?
Is it worth the trip? What is the best way to get there? Prices?
I am a foreigner but not with the US Military.
Since there is not much going on on this board this week
and I haven't posted much lately I thought I'd fill you in on my latest exploits.
Firstly, I have grown tired of the whole "Juicy Girl" scene. I just find them very annoying. The typical scenerio is: you sit down, they ask you to buy yourself a drink and a lady's drink. Then she sits down grabs your dick for maybe a minute, tosses back the drink and says " one more drink?". Repeat!
Yes, you can negotiate for a reasonable price for sex (most will initially ask for 2-300,000W) right away and not buy juicy drinks
but if you are going to do that why not hop a cab or subway to Yongsan or Miari and save yourself the hassle. Many of the juicy girls will go much cheaper than their starting price but they are not going to be happy giving it away cheap and the sex will likely be rushed. A price you will have to work for in Itaewon is the regular price in the RLD's so the girl won't feel she is going too cheap and you will get better service with better attitude.
Yes, I still go to Itaewon! Why? Korean girls (non pros) only go to Itaewon to meet foreign men. I have found meeting girls in Itaewon is like shooting fish in a barrell. I wish I'd realized this a lot earlier. I will relate the last four trips I made to Itaewon:
1. I walked into a little bar and sat at the bar and ordered a beer. The only other people in the bar were an American GI and his Korean girlfriend. The girl soon asked me to join them. Turns out the guy was going home for good the next day. As he got drunk the girls hand slipped onto my knee and stayed there till they left but not before she slipped me her phone number!
2. I got off the subway at around 11pm and walked past Burger
King and was immediately stopped by two girls standing in front of the little convenience store. I first assumed they were working girls as I am often stopped by hookers near that corner. They asked me to go to Gecko's for a drink and I accepted. I was still expecting to be hit on for money or at least expensive drinks. To my surprise they both ordered a lemonade which they nursed for about an hour. One of the girls was paying a little more attention to me than the other and after we left the bar and had walked a minute or so I noticed the one girl had discreetly disappeared.
I spent the night with the other and got her phone number with a promise for more!
3. Got to Itaewon again close to midnight. Spent a few hours in and out of several bars and had quite a few drinks. Near closing time in the Seoul Pub I thought I was going to strike out. Then a beautifull girl walks ( or I should say staggers) into the bar and sits down a few chairs from me at the bar. Turns out she is half Korean and half Japanese. She motioned for me to join her and
we talk for a while (she was pretty loaded) and her hand was on my knee most of the time. Then she leaned towards me and kissed me. Then she spent the next ten minutes or so sucking my tongue so hard it ached for a couple days after. (no joke). Then the bar closed and we headed for the street. Half way down the stairs we started making out and she put her hand in my jeans and jerked me and kissed me while the bar emptied out behind us. When we hit the strreet she said she wanted to go to the Hamilton Hotel with me. Well, I didn't want to pay $120 for a hotel especially when she could easliy pass out any moment so I told her I would take her to a Motel. She insisted on the Hamilton so I said "See ya later" and left her on the sidewalk and headed into another bar that was still open. You might be thinking I'm crazy but I could get a lot of sex for that kind of money so I wasn't really losing anything. It was about 3:30am now and I went into a small pub where I was on friendly terms with the owner and I always have a few drinks there. A friend of hers was
at the bar who I had met on another occasion. The bar owner told me she was upset about something and hinted that I better not make a move on her. Well, every time the owner turned around the girls hand went into my lap or her tonge darted into my mouth. It became a little game between us to see how much we could do when the owner wasn't looking. At closing time, 5:00am, she made it clear to me that she wanted to take me home and I immediately got the evil eye from the owner so i made
my apologies and slipped away. Wow, two offers of sex in 2 hours and I was still alone. Well, 30 seconds out of the bar a "juicy girl" I'd bought one drink for but ended up having a long, fun converaation with the previous month was in the window of another bar in her street clothes and waved me in. We had a couple beers together and then she asked me if she could come to my apartment and spend the day with me! OK!
Three offers of sex in under three hours!
4. Again went to my friends bar around midnight and stayed and drank and chatted with her for a couple hours. Around 2am I went for a walk. I passed a juicy girl I hadn't seen for a while who was also one of the few who didn't rip me off. ( i only ever bought her 1 drink on 2 occasions) and who I had
enjoyed talking to. I consented to one drink which lasted about
an hour before we locked up, went to a Karaoke Room for a while and then back to her place.
The moral of the story?
There are lots of girls looking to meet foreigners in Itaewon.
Don't get "juiced" by the Juicy Girls.
Slow and Easy -- You asked for some feedback on the turkish baths -- Well I have been to the "sports massage" on the basement floor of the Hamilton hotel in Itawon several times.
The cost is 200,000 W (approximately, I can't remember exactly) and for that you get an hour in a private room with a fairly hot/young girl (7 to 8 ). She gives you a bath and massage and she is naked.
The first time I went she got on top of me (69 position) and was giving me a hand job with the oil. After a while I took control, grabbed a condom and did her. She seemed a bit suprised but I was very happy with the service and the whole experience.
The next 2 times I went the girls refused to have sex and said only HJ. (200,000W is a lot to pay for a hJ. For me, I arrived on the red-eye and was headed for a day full of meetings before a flight out. Korea does not have "day rooms" where you pay half price for your hotel room. So I used this as my "day room" and showered, changed into a suit and charged it all to the company.)
Then I went a few weeks ago and this time, to my suprise, I get sex again.
I don't speak Korean and the people there don't speak English. So I don't know how to make the experience more consistently what I want.
Good luck
Sweden: Lotte Hotel in Gangnam is just across from the famous shopping district called "Myong-dong" where young girls and college students hangout. Around the same area, you will see places that have room salons, etc. In fact, if you are exiting from The Westin Chosun Hotel's main entrance, which is located behind Lotte Hotel, and face left, you would see night lights in the alleys. When you walk into these alleys, you will be approached by guys who hustle to bring clients to room salon establishments. There are massage parlors, room salons, etc. Or, after the Lotte Department closes at 7:30 p.m., hang around that area between the store and hotel, and pimps or girls would approach you for some action. Good luck.
Went to the Brown Hotel last night for the famous Turkish bath. It is actually called steam bath there. Here is my experience. Brown Hotel is located east of Sung Buk Gu. Not many taxi driver knows the place. When I arrived my hotel, I went to the front desk to ask for the city map. You can also find the address in the hotel yellow pages. Here's my story.................
I took the taxi last night to the Brown Hotel, it took us about 5 minutes to find the hotel (Even with the map). When I arrived there, the hotel had very dark tinted galss door outside. It looked like a 3 star hotel. I went inside, and there's no one at the front desk, (it was about 1:30 AM) So I walked right past the front desk and immediately saw the sign "steam bath" pointing downstairs. You take the stairs down (1 floor) and turn left immediately. The second I entered the establishement I was greeted by mamasan. She was speaking to me in Korean and I had no idea what she's talking about (I'm American Chinese) She walked me the the elevator and was going to take me to the supposely deluxe room. Then she realized that I'm not Korean and asked me to step out of the elevator. I told her I'm Chinese not Korean, she paused for few second and said okay, no problem. She than took me to a room on the same level, it was almost similiar to the Asian Massage Parlor you see in U.S. except there's a tub/shower in the room. The mamasan was in her late 40's and speaks good English. She told him the charge will be $160,000 won (about $125 USD) I told her my friends told me it was only $130,000. then she said.... okay, I give you that price next time! I agreed. I layed on the bed for about 2 minutes then a stunning 9+ Korean beauty walked in. She didn't have any smile on her face and was dressed in wallstreet business like suit. I said hi and asked to see if she can speak English, she said "of course!" Boy, this girls got some attitude, but it's a cute one. I like girls that play hard to get!
She told me to get undressed and step inside the tub. She then got undressed in front of me....my heart started pounding....she was HOT!!! Maybe a 10+ now! She got inside the little tub with me and gave me a good wash. Afterwards I layed on the bed and she started giving me a really good message, she was standing on top of me and I could hear every crack in my spine. It was a nice experience. Later she poured bunch of oil on my back and started messaging me with her breast. She licked my body everywhere, even down to my toe. She then turned me over and kept rubbing my body with her tits till I got hard. She then gave me the best BBBJ I've ever had for about 5 minutes. (I know it's stupid to not have any protection, but you know....it is easier said then done! When you're in the zone, you just couldn't resist) Slowly, she put the rubber on me and pushed my dick into her tight pussy. It was sooo tight and slick I almost went out of control. I told her to slow down and she calmed me down by giving me a slow kiss.
WOW, I was ready to marry her that second. Later, I finished with the doggie style. She cleaned me up with a tower and gave me another quick bath, and started the lotion treatment all over my body. When my time was up. (1 hr) She gave me a big hug and a kiss. I gave her a $10,000 won tips.
Listen guys, you can not compare gold with silver. This is the best $125 I've even spent. It's about 3 times more than what I ususally spend in China, but the experience was unbelievable. I've been with over 20 girls in the past 3 months. This is the one I'm going to remember for a long time. I'm going Itawon tomorrow night, I will post my report when I get back. Any suggestions there would be appreciated. By the way, it is freezing cold here right now, about 35F!
Later gang!
Zhuhai_guy
[QUOTE]Originally posted by zhuhai_guy
[i]Went to the Brown Hotel last night for the famous Turkish bath... [/i][/QUOTE]
Nice post.
BC
Seoulmate--I posted a lot about about TDC on 31 Oct. To get there w/o a car you can take an inter-city bus or train. The Seoul subway goes as far north as Uijongbu, which is about 20 km south of TDC. You should be able to find a bus going to TDC from Uijongbu station. I can't provide specifics as I drive, but I used to rely on public transport throughout korea so I'm pretty confident. If you can read hangul you should have no problem. If you can't read hangul you can learn it in a few hours--it isn't Chinese. Once you're at TDC you can hail a cab and ask for CP Casey in English. There are 2 bar areas, separated by a long, can't-walk-it distance. Read my post and decide which is best for you. Have fun. BTW, if you go to Gwang-ahm-dong (a.k.a. Toko ri) beware of the cabbies that don't want to use the meter.
Hi Gang! Went to Itawaon last night after 10PM, the place is pretty dead. I don't know if it's the weather or not, I don't see a lot of people walking around. There are bunch of Korean pimps standing by the alley, none of them approached me. I guess they thought I was Korean. I felt like I was gonna get robbed if I followed them, so I decided to go back to my hotel and get an in-room massage. The price was 400,000 won for 45 minutes. I assumed there might be some bonus with this price, but guess what? A guy showed up at my door! SHIT! I'm not gonna have some guy rub me down for $400,000! I opened the door then told the guy my stomach was not feeling well. Maybe tomorrow!! Sorry!! I gave him a 1000 won tip. Come on guys, help me out here. Tonight is my last night in Seoul. I would like to have a girl come over to my hotel this evening, instead of hanging around outside paying overpriced drinks! What should I do or where should I go. Since I'm Asian, I can blend into a Korean crowd, but I can't speak any Korea. I have about 200,000 won to blow tonight then I'm heading to ShenZhen tomorrow afternoon. Thanks!
Zhuhai_Guy
Zhuhai guy ... wow great post about the steam bath, you gave me a chubby! Sounds like dream service from a 10+ Korean babe. And all for only $125! Wow, in Japan that kind of service with a 10+ Japanese babe at a soapland would run you close to $1,000. Did you get her phone number or ask her for a date? How old was she?
I fell in love with a girl at a steam bath once. She was tiny, cute with the softest baby skin and 19 years old. The only 10 with a perfect sweet body. She was so busy guys lined up for her but she dated me for a few weeks and stayed all night with me. She was so tight and she had the tightest grip that would make me feel fantastic. But she disappeared from the scene and I can't find anyone to match her. I have tried about 30 different turkish baths and massage parlors and she was the best.
I am a Korean, and currently living in Seoul. I have played(?) around long enough in Korea for almost 15 years. For that matter, I have been to Japan, Phil, Thai, US, Amsterdam and some other 20 countries on business/pleaure for many times. I guess you can say I can compare.
For the entertainment we seek, I don't think Korea is such a good place next to Japan. It is costly for the services compared to what we can get in other countries, and in many cases it is much more expensive than U.S.
I can't comment on Itaewon, cause I simply do not go there. Many Koreans think Itaewon Hills is for old worn out hookers and bunch of drunken GIs. No offense to GIs. With the same impression, I don't go to Dongduchon either.
What kind of entertainments are available in Korea? There are so many. Miari, 588, Yongsan, Barbor shops, Room Salons, Dalran junum, Steam bath, Yongjoo-Gol, Yellow House in Incheon(Airport), JJ Mahony at Hayatt, Sinchon for college girls, popura march in Pusan, and some places in Daejon. And each types of entertainment has sub categories by price, service and locations. For example, most of Dalran Jujums are KTVs while some are KTVs with crazy shows that you will never see in Thailand or any other countries.
Some do accept foreigners, and others do not. I sometimes take my foreign friends to some of those places, and get kicked out cause they do not accept foreigners. If you are an Asian (Japan and China, Taiwan, HongKong), you have much higher chance. However, if you are white, black, south east Asian, and Arab, chances get much slimer. I recommend to stick with those places that accept foreigners such as Steam bath. Otherwise, try them with Korean friends besides you.
If you have any questions, I will try to give you some advice. Well, I myself are leaving for Angeles in Philippines next week, that I will post answers when I come back.
emote: is 588 pretty much the korean version of Amsterdam? I've been to Amsterdam, and I have often heard that 588 is pretty much the same shit. just the standard for about the same price as amsterdam. how does 588 compare to amsterdam besides the obvious such as 588 not being very foreigner friendly. I have korean verbal capability of a kyopo who was raised in the states. Do you think that will be sufficient enough to pass as a korean. I look quite Korean.
OSAN AFB..
Coming to the area in December for a few days - does anyone know if there are any live shows nearby?
emote
What is "popura march in Pusan"? Where is it? Is it foreigner friendly? How is the standard, there? I must confess, I have never heard of it.
fishmonger:
She told me she was 22 and has been working there for about a 16 month. I didn't get her phone number since I was leaving Seoul in 2 days. But, I think the main reason is because I didn't want to fall in love........I can still remember her humming a slow Korean song next to my ear with her sweet voice while giving me a back massage with her ........
tonyacs:
Can you recommend other steam baths that you've visted? I'm going back to Seoul in about 3-4 months.
Thanks!
zhuhai guy
How would I get to the Brown Hotel, starting out from Itaewon (Burger King)?
ho man,
Take subway #6 (orange) from Itawon and head north. Get out on #638. Go south for about 3-4 blocks. I don't have the exact address, but if you're in Seoul, you can pick up a map from any hotel.
Good luck!
Ho Man, Soulman, Fishmonger and all the others.
It seems we all travel Asia all yeaar long : Korea, Japan, Singapore, China, Hong Kong. I can read your posts everywhere.
We probably travel in the same planes too and go to the sames hotels at the same time.
If any of you want to meet and organize a get together one of these days, I am on.
Seoul every 10 days or so, Japan very regularly, Shanghai twive a month, HK once a month, Taipei every 5 weeks, Singaporre every quarter.
Talk to you soon.
Does anyone have any info regarding dominatrixes in Seoul..surely there must be someone that caters for this? Is there a fetish scene at all?
Also does anyone know of any very busty escorts?Or barber shops where the women are stacked?
Any help appreciated......
I've been a lurker here for a few months now, and thought I'd pass on my limited experience in Seoul so far.
I lived in Korea in the late 80's, and just started to return this past fall. Things have changed considerably!
When I lived here before, I would hang out in the non-juicy bars in Itaewon. Sportsman's club rings a bell. Anyway- most of the time I'd meet semi-pro's there. But, I usually had to work at it to meet non-pro's. It my last three trips now (as seoulmate as mentioned), I've meet regular Korean women. This was a nice surprise to say the least.
In fact, I've been approached every time by several women. I speak survival Korean meaning that I can roam about and hold intro conversations, but I can't hold a lengthy one. So, the girl will start out in English and I let it flow. It's fun to hear her talking to her friends about me. :-) Anyway, I've hit the normal bars in Itaewon about five times now (weekday and weekends). I've taken a girl back to the hotel four of the times for the entire night. Only one of them played shy at the hotel. The others knew what they wanted, and we had fun the entire night.
Now I admit that these girls don't look like A row girls. They're average to above average usually, and they're usually in their late 20's to mid 30's. This is fine with me since I'm in my mid 30's.
This approach is probably not economical in terms of time, and even sometimes money. You buy them a few normally priced drinks, and sometimes go out for food. But, I just look at it like a date.
Anyway this has just been my experience so far. I haven't checked out the turkish baths or any of the pay for play fun yet since I much prefer the long time, and if I'm going to pay I want an A row quality girl.
I should also add that the cute ones usually travel in packs, and it is best to have a friend with you when you go after them.
Seoulmate- drop me a line at saik_eul@yahoo.com if you want to try and work together some time. :-)
Wolf
I'm taking some time-out in Australia right now, while I try and line up a new job in Korea - if not Korea, then one of our other "lurking" paradises. Do you have an e-mail address?
Wolf, what's up? I'm not as jet-set as you are, unfortunately. I'm permanently based in Japan (not in the military sense) and I have actually never been anywhere else in Asia. I just like to read the other boards, and occaisonally comment if the desire arises. I would like to make a trip to Seoul sometime, it seems remarkably cheap compared to Japan. I have got to try one of these steam baths! Also, I love Bee Bin Ba and Kim Chee! (sorry for any mispellings).
Ho Man, Fishmonger and the others,
my e-mail address is christobald59@hotmail.com
Welcome to exchange.
Fishmonger, I am also based in Tokyo. And am no jet-set as you think. Let's meet and enjoy a nice party.
Does anybody know the Pint in Shinjuku ? It is basically an hostess club with only Russians and Brazilian. Really hot girls. Some of them are ready for after hours actions. And all in all, the club is not too expensive. Around 10 to max 20,000 Yen per person. Further action can even come free of charge if the girl is in the good mood.
For those who want some more fun, Paichu in Gotanda (www.paichu.com) is offering a discount of 6 or 7,000 Yen on any deal between 12h00 and 17h00 up to end of November. This means 40% off.
Trust me, some of these girls really worth it. Go and enjoy.
For those walking the streets of Kobe, I can confirm the soap land area 9..somethingware) is absolutely not gaijins friendly but that within the same streets you have 2 or 3 places that provide BBJ like the one in Tokyo (Seiki 21 and Hinomaru). Not a bad experience at all since, to the contrary of their Tokyo fellows, they provide a close room (actually more a kind of box) where you and the girl can go all bare. Action highly depends on the girl, but the one I had was dammend skill, believe me, with both lips, tongue, hands and tits, and her deeds did not focus only on Mr Hard.
Wolf
Wolf and everybody else,
I know it is not one of the Country you get too, but a group of us that are on the forum all the time are having a little get together in Bangkok on December 13th. Below is the posting from the Thailand section on the get together. If you have ever been to Thailand, here is a good site to look at to get a good idea on the scene in Thailand; stickmanbangkok.com There is many other sites too, but this is a good starting point. Thailand is one of the greatest place for good adult fun!
From Thailand Section; "Just if you have not seen the posting before, a group of us that are on the forum all the time are having a get together at the Living Room in Bangkok on December 13, at 7 p.m. Please free to join us.
Here is the plan; we all meet at the Living Room for beers and Bullshit at 7 unaccompanied. It is way too early to have a girl hanging on your arms for the night, plus it is hard to talk about pussy, with the pussy sitting right there.
After some beer and bullshit at the Living Room, head down to NEP, and start club hopping, drink some drinks, more bullshit, and find some pussy. Just have a good time and party in one of our favorite Cities. The clubs close at 2.am, which gives alot of time to find the TG for the night!
The Living Room is located right on Sukhumvit Road real close to Clinton Plaza. Kind of, right in front of Clinton Plaza. The web site for the Living Room is www.thelivingroombangkok.com. If you go into their site, go to contact us, in this section there is map. It is about 8 minute walk from Nana. It is great bar to meet people and talk. It is a bigger place, so it should be a great place to meet.
See you there!"
fishmonger:
You might want to try visiting Korea. I believe that you will have a wonderful time there. Besides it's only a ferry ride away. Korea is definitely cheap compared to Japan, but don't let that fool you though. Japan has the highest consumer prices in the world and anything that you buy in Japan is inflated in it's price compared to any other country in the world. I believe that prices in Korea are very akin to Taiwan and I also found prices in countries like netherlands and spain very similar as well. A service that costs 400 to 500 dollars in Japan would probably cost about 250 to 300 dollars in Korea (Steam Bath)
where can i get some pussy in the Shinchon/Hongae Area?
Not to pick on Yaoming, but the service that cost 250 to 300 U.S. dollars in Korea, will cost 20 to 40 U.S. dollars in Thailand. I love Korea, it is a great place, that is why I had lived in Korea for 10 years, but the cost of adult enterment is getting higher and higher, outside of the ST areas, which are getting higher and higher for foreigner especially. But with airline tickets getting cheaper and cheaper as of late. You can fly round trip under $400 from most Asia countries to Bangkok. A weekend fanasty trip to Thailand will cost under $1000.00 for Tickets, Hotel, food, drinks, and multiple girls a day, everything for $1000 or less. A LT with a girl, up to 24 hours will cost $50 or less, LT with two girls for less $100.
this is a great posting from the thailand section for anybody on planning to thailand. gentlemen, back, by popular demand, skinless's faq, unedited, and whole. please note that this is a direct quote of his writing, and that i take no credit for it, or any info in it, nor do i necessarily endorse it or agree with any part of it. i post it as a service to all who have asked for it, and to skinless, who has been unfairly treated by ufos, who seem to have erased all his posts.
skinless's thailand faq:
thailand f.a.q. s
1. where can i get information on the thai sex scene? in the archives or on this
board, by using the forum search function. check out the urls we cite. be aware
that urls change. however, with the basic information given here, with a good
search engine and with some good questions to the board, you will have more than
enough information to get you started in los (land of smiles). the main bkk
scene we talk about here is soi sukumvit where almost all hotels are girl
friendly. places like pattaya are more obvious in what they offer.
2. forum search function? use this function (to the left of where you are
reading) for specific queries.
3. urls on thai sex scene? try these:
http://**************.com
www.stickmanbangkok.com
www.freelancerbar.com
http://www.one-night-in-bangkok.com/
http://hometown.aol.com/khonbaba/index.html
http://www.trv.net/trv98/nightlife/nightlife.htm (for phuket)
http://www.pattayalovers.com/
http://voidxxxx.tripod.com/massage/thaimassage.html
www.nanpong.com
www.hot-tour.com for photos, maps and lots of good information about the bangkok
scene.
www.pattayaplaza.com for photos
4. thai hotels? for websites listings of girl-friendly hotels and
girl-unfriendly hotels, go here:
http://www.nanapong.com/guestunffl.shtml
http://www.**************.com/hotels/girl_friendly.shtml
check posts in hotel section, the archive sections and also the url links to
hotels etc given and choose a specific hotel or make queries in the hotel
section. nana hotel might be a good one to start with as it is in the center of
the action. there have been countless comments/tips on it and other hotels over
the years; tastes, needs and opinions, needless to say, differ. for more hotel
choices and information, check
http://www.bangkokhoteltravel.com/
http://www.travelideas.net/thailand...s/bangkok.html/
http://www.planetholiday.com/hotels/ http://thaihotel.com/
http://www.asiacyberholidays.com/
http://www.asiatravel.com/
http://thailand-travel.org/hotels/thailand/bangkok/
http://www.thai-traditional-massage.org/link05.htm
http://www.travelforum.org/thailand/hotels.html
hotels(mainly upmarket): http://interhotel.com/thailand/en/
for budget accommodation (no mention of girl friendly policy), go here:
http://www.bangkoktown.com/accom/accommodation.html
http://www.nectec.or.th/pub/info/soc.culture.thai-faq/sctinfo/hotels/bangkok-01.
txt
5. useful maps? check http://www.bangkok-maps.com maps of bangkok nightlife
zones, patpong, sukhumvit rd., soi cowboy, rachadaphisek and new petchburi rd.,
washington sq., nana n.e.p and soi 4, silom &; suriwongse , including
girl-friendly hotels.
http://uk2.multimap.com/map/home.cg...ublic&advanced=
chiang mai http://www.xtremetravel.net/members/shasta/cm/cm_map.html
pattaya - http://www.pattayacity.com/pattaya/pmap.html
for khorat, go here: http://www.travelerroad.com/thaimap/khorat1.htm or here
http://www.travelerroad.com/thaimap/khoratmap.htm
http://*************************sanukmaps/ : this is a very useful set of maps as
it concentrates on the adult side of things. you must join the yahoo groups. go
to www. yahoogroups.com to do this. you have to become a yahoo member. then join
this group. the enlarged maps are in files, which is on the left hand side of
the screen. print and enlarge if you wish.
6. where are the bkk babes? freelance in bkk: beergarden soi 7, thermae, street
at nite, nana disco, lobby etc at nite. the patpong area tends to be more
expensive and, a few blow job bars apart, there are few patpong postings here.
check boards and other sites as cited here for more details not only for bkk but
for all of los.
7. how much should i pay? how much is up to you and your bargaining skills, ask
other hobbyists and check above and this entire board to get ballpark figures no
bar fine for freelancers, around 1000 + bt long time, 500 + short time are the
norm, though some do get it cheaper. bargain and ask fellow hobbyists on the
spot. peak seasons apart, there is usually a surplus of women in bangkok and
pattaya. the board’s various threads, the archives maps and links above will
give you all the leads you want to massage parlors, soapies and the rest.
http://www.bangkokbargirls.info/st/index.htm (besides its pricing information,
this site has a lot of other things to recommend it, including bar reviews and
ratings for nana and soi cowboy, as well as maps of those two areas.)
http://xetg.com/girlspriceline/ (this includes other areas, including freelancer
areas, and might have a better overall price baseline due to its popularity).
8. what does long time/short time mean? short time is usually one pop and long
time is usually all nite with a minimum of 2 pops. more pops is up to you and
your new found friend. some ladies will accept a long term price but will later
try to get out of staying long time. same bar fine for short or long time. be
specific in what her contractual obligations are to avoid problems. be firm if
you think she is not fulfilling her side of the contract.
9. what is the protocol? no real protocol as they know what you want: chat and
pop the question as soon as you like. they have done this many times before so
don’t be shy about asking. also, check the archives here:
http://www.*************.org/wsgmainpage.html: this has frames so you will have
to navigate a bit but the entire thailand section is worth reading closely (as
are many others). it goes into the whole subject in great detail.
10. should i tip or pay cab fare? cab fare is a scam to get you to give them
some more money. usually, they are not going home, certainly not by taxi. it can
be wise to pay a tip to get rid of them, so paying a "cab fare" can make sense.
tip only in moderation: if you get rid of a tg (thai girl), you don't want her
coming back on to you for more tips.
11. what is a cheap charlie? thai girls might call you a cheap charlie if you do
not pay them enough. don’t be a cheap charlie over a handful of baht but don’t
be a chump either. they obviously want you to pay more and if calling you a
cheap charlie will get you pay more, then they will call you a cheap charlie.
12. what is a barfine? you must pay the bar for income lost from taking out or
barfining one of their employees. go go bars and most bkk bars are now asking
500 bt + for this. in pattaya, a bar fine can be as low as 150 bt. the bars tend
to be inflexible on this, even if it is a slow night or near closing time. the
mamasans, who run the joints, also tend to be on the lookout for girls making
private deals with the customers.
13. how about transport? there are metered taxis from bkk airport, good bus,
rail and air services too. general transport links at
http://geocities.com/tclinfor/engtimebus.html
pattaya, isaan and north: http://www.nca.co.th/web/thai/index.htm (there is an
english button)
trains: http://travel-online.to/srt/
maps, use common sense to navigate:
http://uk2.multimap.com/map/home.cg...ublic&advanced=
bkk mass transport: http://www.bmta.motc.go.th/mainframe-services-e.html
you can get to patpong and most places by cab, sometimes much easier by skytrain
subway, details of which are available here:
http://www.thaifocus.com/bangkok/skytrainmap.htm
http://bangkok.sawadee.com/skytrain.htm
14. taxis and buses to bkk from the airport? take aircon bus #29, a blue bus,
with the door somewhere in the middle, to sukumvit. go to morchit skytrain
station and take the skytrain from there.
http://www.thaifocus.com/bangkok/skytrainmap.htm
to take a taxi: get your ticket at the taxi booth outside the terminal
(following the direction signs inside) to the left as you emerge and down toward
the end of the terminal. insist he turns the meter on; it should cost 300-400
bt, depending on traffic. traveling from the airport, you can pay 2 road tolls
that speed up the journey considerably. some guys prefer to go to the departures
floor, which is one floor up from the arrivals floor. up to you.
15. is thailand (land of smiles - los) safe? very, but still use caution. the
tourist police can be a great help for minor matters. but if you fall for a gem
scam, you are probably on your own. if you break their customs and taboos, as
explained later, it can be very unsafe. but in that case, you have brought it on
yourself.
16. scams? watch out for scams. one of the most infamous ones is the gem scam
whereby a thai stranger approaches you and brings you to a gem shop where you
buy overpriced gems. there are many instances of people losing over $10,000 us a
shot at that one. don’t be a mug. also, do not go to massage parlors with tuk
tuk drivers or anyone approaching you on the street. the ladies in the photo
will not be available and the person who brought you will get a very hefty
commission. also, if you are foolish enough to enter the drug trade, be aware
that your supplier might set you up with the cops. the penalty for trafficking
heroin is death.
17. i am black, will i have a problem? no. as most customers are europeans or
aussies, african americans are a relative rarity. their pussies are well used so
size, like color, is not a problem. also, no matter what they tell you, if they
can string some english together, they have been bonking farangs for a long
time.
18. do they sell viagra in los? yes in just about every drugstore at world
market rates in 50 gm and 100 gm doses without prescription. there are some fake
ones about apparently.
19. do the girls speak english? yes, most of the ones you will be befriending
do. no matter what they may tell you, they learn it on their backs. their
fluency is a good indication of how long they have been in the game.
20. are there a lot of places to eat? yes, many and some are really worth repeat
visits. don’t go too much down market as you might get food poisoning
21. how do i get around? plenty of buses and taxis. in bkk, the skytrain is good
(see links above for transport and maps). if you stay on sukumvit, you can walk
to most massage parlors, bars etc. motorbike taxis are good albeit dangerous for
short trips, expensive for long ones. tuk tuks are ok but you must always
bargain to get a reasonably fair price.
22. what does butterflying mean? the women take a dim view on butterflying –
flitting from woman to woman. their rationale is finders, keepers. if they snare
you as a meal ticket and if you stay with them for a few days, then they believe
you are theirs. the fact that they screw all and sundry is irrelevant. be
somewhat circumspect as both face and money are at stake to them if you are a
butterfly. you do not want an angry thai girl (tg) on your hands.
23. what about travelers checks (tcs) and credit cards? tcs cost b14+7 to change
to baht per check. exchange rates are 'good', much better than changing cash.
tourist areas have plenty of atms
info on us credit-cards: http://www.iht.com/articles/64314.html
info on uk credit-cards:
http://www.consumer-shopping-guide.com/uk_credit_cards.htm
check past posts in the general info section for more details on this.
24.what is the legal age? 18 years old for prostitution. the age of consent in
thailand is 15, but you can be prosecuted for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] if it's defined as an act
involving prostitution and she's under 18. if you are caught fucking ****
boys or girls, you are in big trouble. you might end up in jail and get your
face splattered all over the thai and international papers. buyer beware. check
id cards but realize that many of them carry fake id cards and you could be up
for a scam. this can be a very dangerous area, so play it safe. thai jails are
among the worst in the world. for more information, do a forum search on the
various thai threads. also go here: www.ageofconsent.com
25. how do we calculate thai ages? the official thai calendar is calculated from
the beginning of the buddhist era in 543 bc. the year 2002 ad is therefore 2545
be, 2003 is 2546be and so on. so, to determine the danger zone, subtract 18 from
the buddhist year. be aware, however, that there is a large market in fake ids.
be also aware that people might try to set you up for a sting with an ****d
girl.
26. does every hotel allow guests? no, check first. most of the ones in the sex
tourist area do at no extra charge. many hotels ask the tg to hand in her id
card at reception. this is good security for you if anything goes wrong or goes
missing. check the maps and archives for more details.
27. do all hotels have safes? no, check first. there have been some rumors about
hotel staff in the shadier hotels getting into your safe and using your credit
cards. credit card scamming is big in south east asia, so take precautions.
28. do they all have aircon, hot and cold water etc? unless you are using
backpacker places or bottom end rural places, as some of us do, there is always
hot water, aircon etc. rooms with fan will be considerably cheaper than aircon
rooms. up to you. backpacker places, incidentally, usually refuse entry to tgs
so act accordingly.
29. are many tgs dark skinned? yes, many of them come from isaan and speak lao.
many thais despise them, which is ok if you are not thai. however, you get many
different shapes and sizes. there is bound to be one to please you. needless to
say, particularly beautiful tgs often carry a price premium.
30. are there a lot of bi girls there? what about threesomes? yes and yes, but
many are shy at first. seems much easier to get them now. there is no guarantee
of a great bi performance by the ladies; they do it for the money.
31. are they into anal? yes, but not too many. places like the eden club (check
either the archives or their http://www.edenclub-bkk.com/home.html site) supply
such services as well as threesomes, dildoes etc. the pattaya section has
reports of similar places there.
32. do they go bareback? some do, but you have to be careful in these safe sex
days. barebacking can also be used as a means of maintaining customer loyalty.
check out the hiv figures here:
http://www.who.int/emc-hiv/fact_sheets/pdfs/thailand_en.pdf
33. do the girls swallow? some do, but some don't.
34. can i meet up with other wsg members? some guys do meet up. ask on the board
and see.
35. is thailand big? yes, starting in bkk, you might have to do overnight
journeys to chiang mai etc. check posts for favorite ways to do this, suggested
stopovers and things to watch out for.
36. are there many airports in los? several and if money is not a problem,
planes might be best for the longer journeys.
see http://www.asiatravel.com/flight for domestic timetables.
37. are there many domestic flights? yes, thai and several others do internal
flights. check with an agent but not one in your hotel as they tend to be a bit
more expensive. see http://www.asiatravel.com/flight for domestic timetables.
38. i am young and good looking so do i need to pay? usually yes. if you do not
pay one way, you pay another. this is an industry, not a charity.
39. are there any good doctors there? yes, in the tourist areas, ask your hotel
manager for the nearest location. bumrungrad hospital, the big hospital near
nana in bkk, is the best in all south east asia. it is world class.
40. are there many she males/ ladyboys there? several, yes and they have a bad
reputation. spotting ladyboys is not a problem if you are sober and alert. they
tend to be bigger, have bigger limbs (!), wear lots of make up, scarves around
their necks to hide their adam's apple, and are notoriously light fingered.
consensus here is that they are best avoided. they often prowl late at night
when customers have too many drinks on them. although ladyboys (or katooeys, as
they're called) are big business in thailand and are readily available, because
this is a board for men looking for women, not transsexuals, and as the vast
majority of the references to katooeys here are about how to detect and avoid
them, you should consult elsewhere if such are your tastes.
41. is it cool to ask a lady if she is a ladyboy? tact, needless to say, is
important when asking such questions.
42. is there any major shopping? shoppers’ paradise. good knock off gear and
good stuff in the malls and stalls. many people, jackson the moderator being
one, get suits made up in bkk. like everything else, you must know what you are
doing. shop around and bargain in the stalls and markets so you do not pay the
top tourist price.
43. is it easy to get from city to city? yes by bus or train in some cases.
44. do many chicks have phones? yes the ones with foreign boyfriends have
mobiles. like email, it is now an important business tool to them.
45. what about emails? most now have email addresses as well.
46. do mobile phones and email give rise to any security concerns? yes they do.
be very careful giving out any real information to them. this is particularly so
with email addresses and telephone numbers. these ladies will generally call you
in the middle of the nigh. because your email will not be very secure, you
should not give out your business email/phone no or an email address/phone no
your family and friends might have access to.
47. do i need a passport? yes and you have to monitor the visa situation if you
intend to stay long term.
48. do they accept us dollars? yes but there are bureaus to change your money in
all tourist areas. the rate is good. for most recent rates, see
http://www.bangkokbank.com/bangkok+bank/personal+banking/foreign+exchange/fx+rat
es/default.htm
49. should i bring anything, such as gifts? yes, lipsticks, nail polish, etc,
etc,
50. do the chicks like dildoes? yes they do indeed. but ask first.
51. can i buy them there? not in the major malls, no.
52 are there a lot of russian/white hookers there? they come and go. when in
thailand, maybe concentrate on thai food.
53. pattaya. heaven or hell? as one in three of all tourists going to los visit
pattaya, it must have something going for it. pattaya has a full on in your face
sex scene where the quality of lady varies from the fantastic down to the
mundane. pattaya beach is not recommended for swimming. however, most guys seem
to like the pattaya night life as well as the day time diving. the pattaya beach
road is a major area for street walkers, both female and male, as well as lady
boys. the links given at the beginning include very many pattaya focused ones.
for general pattaya information, check here:
http://www.pattayamail.com/
54. are there any drugstores? yes plenty.
55. are there regular hotels? yes but most people will know why you are there.
some, such as nana, get most of their trade from guys into the sex scene.
56. what should i bring? besides condoms (if you are on the large side), travel
light and pack what is appropriate for your needs: backpack if you intend to
tour, suitcase if your stay will be more business/formal. most major condom
brands are available at drug stores and 7-11s. thai condom size is 49mm. there
are 52mm too, named n11 and 54mm, named body guard, to be found in
pattaya/patong as well as all good outlets.
57. i met this nice isaan girl. should i send her money so she can leave the
game? definitely not. she will tell you she has left it but in 99.9% of the
cases, she will still be turning heaps of tricks and getting money from you and
other suckers as well. she will also spin yarns about her family needing money.
she will probably still be servicing her thai boyfriend as well. don’t send
money; if you do, you will be regarded as a sucker.
58. do they tell lies? lies are central to their job description, so, yes, they
are compulsive liars who use the truth to sweeten their lies. many guys regard
tgs as the world’s best actresses.
59. given that they are mercenaries and liars, can i have a good time with them?
yes, but only if you keep your wits about you. their families come first. you
are a meal ticket. if you will not fall in love with a prostitute in your own
country, think twice before falling in love with one in thailand.
60. stis? chlamydia and gonorrhea are widespread in south east asia, thailand
included. something like 90% of all new cases of syphilis cases occur in asia.
aids and hiv are also rife. so beware of the health risks and act appropriately.
check who and cdc sites for figures.
61. currency converters? http://oanda.com/convert/cheatsheet
http://www.xe.com/ucc/
http://www.bangkokbank.com/bangkok+bank/personal+banking/foreign+exchange/fx+rat
es/default.htm
62. competitors' sites? http://65.57.226.227/index-oldforum.html
63. how does thailand compare to similar destinations? although all people will
have their preferences, the thai sex market is very big and very mature and, if
you use common sense, very safe. therefore, to do a comparison, check with other
areas in the appropriate forums.
64. what about the weather? for current weather conditions, check
http://weather.yahoo.com/regional/thxx.html
http://www.asia-hotels.com/weather/thailand.asp please further note that
thailand has monsoon seasons and that this affects high and low tourist seasons.
65. what about recreational drugs, the cops and related issues? if you commit a
minor misdemeanor such as not wearing a helmet on your rented motor bike or if
you are caught with a small amount of hash or whatever, you may get out of it by
bribing the officer. be aware, though, that if you commit a major crime or one
that is considered major, the authorities may very well make an example of you
and all your money most likely will not help. you do not want to end up in a
thai prison as they are notoriously tough. major crimes include trafficking
heroin, which carries the death penalty and hiring child prostitutes. be also
aware that foreigners caught using designer drugs such as ecstasy might also
expect a hefty sentence; this is to deter the growing use of such drugs by
thailand’s middle classes.
66. taboos? do not criticize the thai king, the buddhist religion or anything
else the locals might get sensitive about. although the thais appear very
tolerant, it is their country and when foreigners have disparaged things they
cherish deeply, they have been known to get very nasty. nor, when they decide to
fight, do they fight by any rules you may be aware of: if, for example, you
insult the king, you might be beaten to death by everybody who can get at you
and no one will have any sympathy for you. that includes the police, the
judiciary and the undertaker, who will certify that you died by misadventure. do
not cause such trouble. we are all there on vacation. if you want to cause
trouble, go somewhere else or stay at home.
67. how can i help my fellow hobbyists? simple. post your experiences and views
in the most relevant place. reports from the field giving current market
conditions are particularly needed, detailing specific contact information on
the ladies. also, reports on areas not fully or thoroughly explored are
particularly welcome.
68. which reports are the most important? those about areas that we don't have
any information about so far. reports about establishments not yet covered.
reports about establishments which we cover already are less important, unless
you have a correction to make. reports about single girls are not so important
since they outdate fast and are often unreliable.
69. if i contribute, should i give full contact information for the
establishment? yes, if the establishment is operating legally. if it's not, it's
best to give indirect information that makes it possible to locate the place.
the above does of course not apply to ripoffs which should always be fully
exposed, complete with name, address, phone number etc.
70. what else should be included in a report? we prefer complete price
information, including tips. don't give us the "reasonably priced" crap. think
about the needs of travelers: precise directions, opening hours etc. the more
information the better.
71. any general links on thailand? use your favorite search engine. here’s one
to get you started. http://bangkok.sawadee.com/index.html
72. tg specific reading? read private dancer, available for free here:
http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html
73. is that it? this faq will be updated from time to time as los changes and as
more reports come in.
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wildman
Hongae? Not Hongdae?
Forget about it in those regions unless you have Korean-speaking friend. But you could still hunt a girl, I guess.
Cheers
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jiggaman
[i]where can i get some pussy in the Shinchon/Hongae Area? [/i][/QUOTE]
Pussy in Shinchon/Hongdae?
If you mean the kind you can purchase, then there are barber shops and room salons in that area, no different than the ones anywhere else.
But the clubs in Hongdae, you can pick-up just like any other "bar". The difference is that the crowd is fairly young (university) with some older girls mixed in. The clubs that are most "pick up" style are:
Stompers, MI, Joker's Red, Matmata and Myungolwon.
But not so much the last two, since those are techno clubs and alot of girls just go to dance etc and aren't looking for men. Secondly, the girls in Hongdae might not be as interested in foreign men as the girls that visit Itaewon. Girls go to Itaewon because they know thats where the foreign men are. Girls go to Hongdae for the reasons western women go to clubs.. which isn't always hunting for dick. But I've never had any problems chatting up girls in Hongdae, but I've had way more luck in Itaewon.
But anyway, Stompers, MI and Joker's Red are your best bet if you want to troll for pussy in Hongdae. And recently Stompers has become really popular and hardly any korean men go there, just korean girls.. last time I was there (last week) I saw guys picking up left and right... as well as a disgusting fat white chick making out with a severely hammered hot korean girl. So it was a nice free show.
Yao Ming - nice job last night in the NBA, 30 pts and 16 rebounds against the Mavericks, not too shabby.
thanx fishmonger
Quick Report:
After reading other people's stories here, I finally decided to take Mindy for a test drive. For those that don't know, she's a girl who owns her own bar on Hooker Hill and a number of WSGF posters have sampled her talents.
So anyway, she's definately a pro, knows exactly what she's doing and she's really good at it. She's not the best looking but she makes up for it.
She appears to use the same script, because it went down the same way another poster here described. Basically, go in, sit down, buy her a drink (20k) and she gives you a BBBJ. She's also not shy about showing herself off. She'll then pump you for more, suggest sex etc. She's not too pushy and doesn't get all pissy when you start to haggle the price down. Anyway, I couldn't get her to agree for 50k for sex like someone here said they did, paid 80k and it was worth it. Did a couple of positions, sadly, she's got really good control of her pussy muscles and clamped down on me several times.. fells really good but doesn't do much for stamina.
One thing though, I'm still not convinced she didn't use to be a man at some point, despite all her parts working right. Having spent some time in Thailand she looks, acts and talks like a katooey (lady boy). Now, I never fucked a post-op Katooey so I don't know. She appeared to be very wet, but she also went to the washroom right before we fucked so I dunno she dumped a bunch of lube in there or what. I didn't go down on her so I didn't get a good look either...
Anyway, it was a good experience, I'll prolly go back at some point.
Been reading this website intently for a short time now, checking out the opinions on Hooker hill and seeing what's worth/not worth doing.
Last night I decided to take a wander up the hill and experience it for myself. Tried a few places but I was quoted crazy money, and no-one would negotiate below 100,000 which I wasn't going to pay as I figured I'd be able to get lower if I tried out a few places.
I went to Ambrosia which is where I think "Mindy" works? I didn't ask the girl's name, but by reading the descriptions on here I think she was the same girl. Tall, cute, long hair and a white dress slashed down to her belly button exposing a pretty good pair of breasts. I asked her what she did, and she offered a private stripshow for 20,000, regardless of if I bought any drinks.
I was well up for that, so went in, she locked the door and proceeded to give the hottest dance I've ever seen. She has a tight body, perfect breasts, long silky legs... if she used to be a man, then she's had an excellent job done on her because she is absolutely perfect.
She finished the dance and sat down completely naked beside me, unbuttoned me and gave a handjob for a fair while. At this point I think she guessed I was close to coming, because she stopped and quoted her prices. I guess she held the advantage because of my.. how shall we say 'advanced state' because she refused to offer below 150,000 so I had to use every ounce of willpower to resist, buttoned up and moved on.
I went round the corner, stopped in at a place on the end, past Moulin Rouge (it's blue and white outside), went in there and a relatively cute & curvy woman, early 30's I think, offered sex for 80,000. I countered 40,000 but she settled for 60,000.
Shortest sex I've ever had, and suffice to say I was thinking of the other girl.
Definitely going back to Ambrosia to check out the girl again, but I'll need to negotiate a price before entering... that's the lesson people need to heed, I guess.
I tried Tiger Bar later in the night, but the girl inside the door was almost asleep and despite protesting she was perfectly awake and willing, I didn't fancy it. Might go back if it's as good as people say.
New guy here. Been to korea several times and myself and my friends (who are non korean) got laid several times at nightclubs and at miari.
I am going again next month and wondering if there are any decent cheap action to be made in korea? Free or paid. Going to a nightclub in korea and getting some free pussy is good except that most chicks you pick up at clubs are 4-6/10 and you end up paying a hundred US or so in the club anyway.
Any advice for getting some cheap quality action in korea would be much appreciated.
Yaoming
I just got back from PI and sorry for late answers.
Yes, 588 is very similar to Amsterdam in a sense that you do
what you need to do and get out in 30 - 40 min. If you can
communicate in Korean like kyopo, and look Korean, I doubt you will have any trouble. Just remember that the place is full of mafia type guys who suppose to protect girls, do not get into any argument with girls.
ho man
Popura march in pusan is somewhat unique place cause of their service. You usually go there in a group of 2 - 5,6 guys. Once you walk into the place, an old woman/man will lead you to a room where you need to sit on the floor. There will be a big table in the middle. The drinks(liquer) and side dishs will come in, and later girls will come in for line up. Everybody can choose a girl, and if you can't find one you like, you can ask for more line up, but there will be limited number of girls. Once you make your selection, girls will go on to introduce themselves. This is unique. Once they introduce their names, they will play a song from karaoke machine or tape recoder for strip dance. When they get naked completely, they will sit besides you. You can chat, touch, sing a song from karaoke machines. Girls will ask you to play some games (this game makes you laugh). If you loose the game, the panalty is to take a cloth off. They will try to make you get naked. However no real sex is allowed. It will last for 2 - 3 hours, and the bill will come around $500 to $800 for 2 people depending on what you drink. Now you can decide if you want to take her out to your hotel or near short time places. It will cost around $200. I am not sure if they accept foreigners, but sure you can get into the place with Korean friend. Ask any taxi driver, and they will know. I hope this helps.
Wolf, can you send me the contact for the massage. I am a business man here in Seoul and would like the convenience of this service versus chasing around to all these different places in the Forum.
lobby7531@yahoo.com
emote
do i just say "popura march" and get taken (with a friend) to A specific place called "popura march" - or is it a description, such as "danlang jujum"?
anyone have some numbers on those calling cards can email them to me? Those that provide outcall services.
I have been walking around Seoul but have not been able to find any!!!
Tks a zillion !!! seoulnow@yahoo.com
Ho man,
So called 'Popura March' is from Japanese word 'Poplar Machi'. 'Poplar' is, as you know, a kind of plant, while 'machi' is Japanese word 'street'. In Japanese colonial era, before 1945, there are lots of ***** houses in those streets (poplar street) and even now, Koreans, especially in Pusan, call that kind 'Poplar machi'. It's a kind of brothel.
'Danlan Jujom' is, in Korean legal terms, 2nd-class service facility that could sell the liquors, but not with sit-beside service by other sexualities. But, as you know, almost 99% of 'Danlan Jujom' offers 'sit-beside' service, mainly by girls.
Hope this would help.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by ho man
[i]emote
do i just say "popura march" and get taken (with a friend) to A specific place called "popura march" - or is it a description, such as "danlang jujum"? [/i][/QUOTE]
Cherang,
You could find that kind of card anywhere in Seoul, once you look at the front window of parked car. I wonder whether you could be serviced fairly, while you could not speak Korea, though.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cherang
[i]anyone have some numbers on those calling cards can email them to me? Those that provide outcall services.
I have been walking around Seoul but have not been able to find any!!!
Tks a zillion !!! seoulnow@yahoo.com [/i][/QUOTE]
lobby7531,
Please indicate your budget limit. I can pass you a contact in accordance with your budget. You could reach me by posting here or sending an email to daniel_you@yahoo.com
Of course, I am not related to these kinds of business.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lobby7531
[i]Wolf, can you send me the contact for the massage. I am a business man here in Seoul and would like the convenience of this service versus chasing around to all these different places in the Forum.
lobby7531@yahoo.com [/i][/QUOTE]
The archives give some info on the Dunhill Club located in the bottom of the Hill Top hotel. The poster called it an "adult disco" where there were about 200 girls to select from during the evening.
Does anyone know if this place still exist?
Bikerider,
Still it's there, but the name is now 'CIMA'. Over than 200, nearly 300 girls are to select. It costs around KRW 400,000 for liquor and sidedish and KRW 100,000 for girl's sit-beside service. 'After' is around KRW 250,000, including hotel accommodation in Hilltop Hotel. This price (for girl) is only for Koreans, and I don't know of foreigner's price.
If you're interested in Room Salons in Kangnam area, I will then inform you of any details with my expertise (yum).
Daniel
daniel_you@yahoo.com
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bikerider
[i]The archives give some info on the Dunhill Club located in the bottom of the Hill Top hotel. The poster called it an "adult disco" where there were about 200 girls to select from during the evening.
Does anyone know if this place still exist? [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by bikerider
[i]The archives give some info on the Dunhill Club located in the bottom of the Hill Top hotel. The poster called it an "adult disco" where there were about 200 girls to select from during the evening.
Does anyone know if this place still exist? [/i][/QUOTE]
You should check the Yellow Page. "If it isn't in there, maybe it doesn't exist."
For months, I have been reading about the very bad service and all the rip offs on the hill. It has been many years since I have played on the hill, so on my current trip, I decided to play a little on the hill.
One thing I can tell you it help to speak Korean, I can speak some Korean, but understand a lot more. So it was fun going into the clubs, and listen to the girl talk for a few minutes, before you let them in that you can speak Korean. There is many, many girls play the drinky, drinky game. They do talk about playing games. But if you hit them, with the subject directly, you will have alot less problem. Talking at the door works, but I like going into the clubs and having a drink and some fun with the girls.
The best way I have found that works, before you buy them a drink, say I need to know them a little before I will buy them a drink. If they stay, talk for about 5 minutes or so without the drink, than if you like them but them a drink. Than get to the subject. You can get them down in price, but again do not play to much on the price subject, because all you are going to get is bad service. Depending on the girls age and looks, the ST rates run between 60,000 to 100,000 for good service. If you push that, you will paid thru the service. The girls that are not pulling you into the club, for the most are the girls that will treat you better. But at the end of the day, there is still fun on the hill, if you do not have stucker on your forehead. If you are trying to get $40 to $50 pussy, then go to Thailand, you will not get that here without bad service.
A girl that I have scene two times on this trip, and has gave me great service is Jina at the Rous Club at the top of the hill. Short time at her house, just a very short walk from the club is 80,000, plus one drink. Two pops for about 1 1/2 hours both times. She is open to all nighters, for a little more. She is a great one! She is really into her job and treats you great! She is a true GFE! Treat her good! She is one that should not change her service for us that like seeing her.
Dynasty Hotel:
I've posted messages about this place in the past and have numerous experiences here, running from less than average to top of the line. I had the opportunity to go back recently to check it out and wanted to drop in my 2 cents.
There was some talk about a change of management and this may be the case. The price is KW180,000 and you get about an hour, give or take, for the price. I've never been rushed but it hasn't always been leisurely.
The girl at the front desk (who is rather hot, by the way) was not there and I saw a couple middle-aged men running the show, which seems to be a change.
I'm happy to report that I saw the most beautiful working girl I've ever experienced in my life the first time I ever went as well as this last trip. Read back through my old messages for a report on my experience with her awhile back.
This time was 10 times better. About 1 1/2 hours, super hot girl, very friendly in personality (I speak Korean so that helps) and very friendly in service.
Hey, folks. It's been a while since I've posted here. I'm thinking of making another sojourn to Korea. I'm hearing a lot of shit about anti-American sentiment there. My question is, how bad is it? Is the media blowing it out of proportion? How have you Americans (and Westerners, in general) been treated since this latest outburst?
Thanks a lot
Went to Gangnam last night on the reccomendation of a archive post regarding a barber shop near the ritz carlton. Turn left at the entrance to the hotel and go down the hill to the main road. turn left again and u will see a four pole barber shop about 100 metres away.
the going price is 120,000w..got him down to 100,000. a girl in her nid thirties came in, attractive, busty (fake) with a nice ass. Usual massage bs for 20 mins and then she brings me to a shower room..washs me, lays me on table, soaps us up, body rub etc..uses tongue all over...then squats on top of me after putting condom on with mouth..change positions about 4 times and soon realise i aint coming..get her to take off condom and give me hj..ask can i eat pussy and she sits on my face..slowly gyrating while she sucks me off..eventually come..very pleasant experience and last s about 1 hour 15 mins altogether.Have been to dynasty and preferred this service, cheaper, and the girls, altho not as attractive as the dynasty bird was far more up for it, far less clinical. for a leiseirly hour or so of pleasure, have not beaten it so far..there seems to be 3 girls on ..other 2 were busier..will be back to check out other girls..btw she asked me for tip..gave here 20000...wud not normally do but i will be back there so want to be welcomed back
has anyone been to the new york sports massage directly opposite mcdonalds i itaewon..has 2 barber style poles beside the sign..prices, girls, full service??any info appreciated
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stud_lee
[i]Hey, folks. It's been a while since I've posted here. I'm thinking of making another sojourn to Korea. I'm hearing a lot of shit about anti-American sentiment there. My question is, how bad is it? Is the media blowing it out of proportion? How have you Americans (and Westerners, in general) been treated since this latest outburst?
Thanks a lot [/i][/QUOTE]
There is no need to worry about Anti-American sentiment if you act as normal and kind gentleman, This Anti-American sentiment
target is not you. Don't worry and happy hunting!!
Paul
Paddy
I guess we'll have to disagree on this but I'd be very happy if no one goes off and corrupts my little pleasure at the Dynasty.
Another barber shop in the area. Walk down towards the main Kangnam road from Dynasty, turn right on the street just before the main road (you'll be back on the Young Dong Shijang street, before all the meat places.) Walk about 2 blocks and you'll see a double pole just past a large pojang macha (soju tent, but permanent) on the corner. I've been down there 2 times, once with a real hottie, the other with a skank. 80,000
I've been to the place in Itaewon you mentioned. Standard massage, back to the shower room, full service. Not the best I've been around. 100,000
There surely is an ati-American sentiment now in Korea... But it's against American government, policy and military troops. As an individual, you are safe. No problem.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stud_lee
[i]Hey, folks. It's been a while since I've posted here. I'm thinking of making another sojourn to Korea. I'm hearing a lot of shit about anti-American sentiment there. My question is, how bad is it? Is the media blowing it out of proportion? How have you Americans (and Westerners, in general) been treated since this latest outburst?
Thanks a lot [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimhart69
[i]
A girl that I have scene two times on this trip, and has gave me great service is Jina at the Rous Club at the top of the hill. Short time at her house, just a very short walk from the club is 80,000, plus one drink. Two pops for about 1 1/2 hours both times. She is open to all nighters, for a little more. She is a great one! She is really into her job and treats you great! She is a true GFE! Treat her good! She is one that should not change her service for us that like seeing her. [/i][/QUOTE]
I have to second this, I have been with Jina a few times as well and she's well worth it. She doesn't try to rip you off or plug you for drinks. In fact, one time I didn't even buy her a drink. I bought a cheap beer for myself then went to her apartment for the sex. And yeah, she'll go long-time for a little extra as well, never took her up on it though. And she's always out late late.. both times I visited her were like 5am or 4:30am.
She is really cute too, and gorgeous eyes.
Her bar, its really tiny, is at the top of the Hill on the right.. I think its the last one before the right hand turn.. it used to be called "Rose" and now its "Rous"..
I have a 6 hour lay-over in Seoul in a few days. Unfortunately I arrive at 6am and fly out at noon.... any tips on where to have some "fun" during that time? Any and all information is helpful. Thanks!
jkttroll,
Arriving at 6 am? It takes at least 1 hr from Incheon airport to Seoul (even on that early morning) then you arrive on 7:30 am, including immigration procedure. Assuming you spend 30 minutes on finding a PLACE, you could be there on 8:00 am. Then you have maximum of 1 and a half hour to enjoy, cause you will have to rush to airport again to catch the noon flight.
By taxi, to and from airport and Seoul metropolitan area would be at least KRW 100,000, to spend just 1 and a half hour costs around KRW 180,000 - 200,000, while you have to pay the visa fee if you're an American or Japanese in advance.
So...
This time, please take some rest in airport. In airport there is a massage facility (no sexual service, though) and sauna place.
Hope this could be of help to you.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jkttroll
[i]I have a 6 hour lay-over in Seoul in a few days. Unfortunately I arrive at 6am and fly out at noon.... any tips on where to have some "fun" during that time? Any and all information is helpful. Thanks! [/i][/QUOTE]
stud_lee,
Re: A korea sojourn.
Things are more tense than usual. But why korea? Even in the best of times it's a rip off, and many previous posts have reported that foreigners are unwelcome. If you're an ethnic korean it's a different story (not the rip off part, though), but if you're not you ought to spend your money and time in more deserving countries such as the Philippines and Thailand. Many of the punters here jump a SE Asia-bound flight whenever there's a 3- or 4-day weekend. korea, at any time, is a good place to skip if you have a choice. Pretty cold here now, too.
I've read through most of the postings on this board and find them to be very informative. I'll be in Seoul at the end of the month and would like to know if anyone can recommend a place to stay in or around the Itaewon area. I'd like a place in the three star variety, like I guess around forty or fifty U.S. a night. I don't want to stay in a Yogwan really but if anyone can recommend one that stands out above the rest than that is fine too. I'd prefer a hotel however and haven't seen much on the internet as far as hotels in that price range go. I've only seen ads for the Hamilton and Itaewon Hotel of course. I'd rather not pay a hundred bucks for a room when that money can be better put towards other pleasures. Thanks in advance for any advice.
Photos of girls
Hey, guys! Have any of you tried to take a picture of the girls
you've been serviced by? In this day and age of digital photography,
why not share the wealth? I'm very interested in what that Jina likes.
When I was in Korea last time, I went to Miari. As I was "shopping"
around the shops, I had brought my camera with me. The mama-sans
were offering to take pictures for me in session! I declined, though.
(DOH!) How about it guys? Upload your photos to this board or
e-mail them to me at studb@netian.com
Happy Hunting!
hutsori,
I agree with you... although I live here in Seoul.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hutsori
[i]stud_lee,
Re: A korea sojourn.
Things are more tense than usual. But why korea? Even in the best of times it's a rip off, and many previous posts have reported that foreigners are unwelcome. If you're an ethnic korean it's a different story (not the rip off part, though), but if you're not you ought to spend your money and time in more deserving countries such as the Philippines and Thailand. Many of the punters here jump a SE Asia-bound flight whenever there's a 3- or 4-day weekend. korea, at any time, is a good place to skip if you have a choice. Pretty cold here now, too. [/i][/QUOTE]
Hey, guys. Thanks for the responses. I was in Seoul for a month this past summer and I know that Korea is no heaven for sex-related activity. I'd be going to visit some friends as it would be a lot cheaper for me to go there than somewhere else considering I'd have a free place to stay.
Still, I did feel that a lot of tension during my stay there, though thankfully I didn't go through any serious incidents. But I get the feeling that things are a lot worse now than they were in August and it seems that they're about to get worse than better. I'm sure this sentiment this affects the sex-trade in Seoul too, though there's never any public outcry in Korea when something bad happens to a female sex worker.
But you guys are making me thing twice. Maybe it's better to go to China, Taiwan or Japan instead. I'd go Thailand, but I hear it's not too safe of a place these days because of heightened terrorist activity...hopefully I'm wrong.
hutsori and stud lee
i regularly surf this area,since almost a third of my customers in my travel business back home in cebu are korean.thousands of koreans live here in cebu,with many of them of them students studying english.some are tourists out for a fling,when in manila,i stay near a korean area .IMHO koreans are cheaper outside korea,especially those short of funds,have tried about 6 koreans here for about 60-80$ for all night,3000 pesos -4000 pesos.If the scene in Korea is too expensive but you like koreans who are some of the most beautiful women try koreans outside korea
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cebu local
[i]hutsori and stud lee
If the scene in Korea is too expensive but you like koreans who are some of the most beautiful women try koreans outside korea [/i][/QUOTE]
LOL. I've been trying to do that stateside for years! You guys have any suggestions?
This is my first post to this message board. I have been reading up on the info and look forward to posting when i get back. I will be in seoul on dec 17-25 and looking to have fun. Anyone who will be there and want to help can email me at samter67@msn.com. I can't speak korean except for phrases so where would be the best places to check out. Thanks for the help.
samter
stud lee
well maybe it is a matter of living standards,80$ here will buy groceries for 2-3 weeks for 1 person or buy you 160 beers in a bar.so the students here find 80$ a lot of money compared to the states or korea regards
Cebu local...
So are you saying that if I go to Cebu, I can enjoy the company of Korean women who are living in Cebu? That sounds very interesting. How is the selection?
Has anyone been to Yong Ju Gol recently? Thinking of going there this weekeend.Thats the closest place for me to go and have some fun. I have already expereinced TDC and Tokori. Tokori is by far a better place in my opinion than TDC. The prices were decent to me and the girls were amazing.I have been there twice and scored both times with russian girls in Foxwoods. It's a very nice club and once payment has been made you are escorted upstairs where business is conducted. It's a little easier if you go early that way theres not so many of those damn MP courtesy patrols poping in. I was wondering though what do you non GI's show the MP's when they stop you? I saw one american younger looking guy get stopped in TDC and he flashed something and was on his way. Thanks
daniel_you,
I live in Seoul, also. Have lived in Manila, Hong Kong, and Taipei previously. When there's a 3-day holiday I'm on a out-bound flight. I do partake of the local attractions, but it's a very different, and much better, vibe in SE Asia.
cebu local,
Thanks for the update. I've hooked up with a few koreans and Japanese girls on holiday or studying in the PI. Did some diving and visited Cebu's bikini bars a few years ago; will have to make a return. Where are the korean girls? Do they want to do the korean thing, i.e. talk about her future, practice her English, and then sing a few hundred songs, or are they on the prowl for a non-korean go-chu (hot pepper)?
stud_lee,
Certainly having free lodging in Seoul makes it more affordable, but I'd be willing to bet you the cost of an Angeles bar fine that you'll get far more bangs for your buck in Angeles than in Seoul. You can stay in decent places--with a pool!--in Angeles for less than $20 a night. Food is very cheap, beer at $1 -$2 bottle, no pushy & pouty you-buy-me-20,000-won-drink juicy girls, and the bar fine is 1000 pesos--less than $20. The girls are succulent.(Check out the Angeles thread.) At no time have I ever been hassled. The koreans are into the face thing, and this adds up to a lot of $$$, a lot of time, and not much return. Quote: Never a public outcry when something bad happens to a female sex worker. True, unless a foreign male is involved.
Having been in Asia for more than a decade I feel safer here than anywhere else--even with recent events I don't hesitate to visit any place in SE Asia. If you're thinking about Taiwan you better come to Seoul instead. Taiwan's safe, but no vibrant scene, and as pricey as Seoul. Japan? Japan?! Take a look at the Japan thread and then you'll reconsider. China however can be good fun.
beast,
With a name like that you want a 3-star hotel? The Hamilton and the Itaewon hotels are 3-star, and they're $100. Stay in the yogwan right atop hooker hill. You can prowl, hook up, send her on her way, and prowl again.
samter,
Read the previous posts. It's all there.
nico,
what is TDC and tokori? never heard of them...
thanks
Things are going to change in Seoul. Read the newspaper article below.
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Seoul to redevelop 3 red-light districts
Seoul City plans to begin redevelopment work on the three major red-light districts in the nation's capital in 2004 as part of its new urban development project, officials said yesterday.
"The city government will draw up redevelopment plans for the districts by the end of 2003," a city official said. "Work on redevelopment projects will begin in 2004."
The three red-light districts - Miari Texas, Cheongnyangni 588 and Yongsan Station Texas - are all located north of the Han River that flows through the capital from east to west.
Mayor Lee Myung-bak, who was sworn in as Seoul's top administrator in July, has been pushing for the urban development plan, which is aimed at giving a makeover to Seoul's northern areas.
The businessman-turned-mayor put forward the blueprint, under which three "new towns" will be built in the northern half so as to achieve balanced development in the capital.
"The city administration will lead the redevelopment projects because various interests, including those of brothel owners, are at stake," the official said.
The sprawling Cheongnyangni 588, which is not far from downtown Seoul, will be replaced with a civilian-invested railroad station, the construction permit for which is likely to be issued within the month, the official said. "A budget of 120 million won has been earmarked for fleshing out the district's redevelopment plan."
The Office of Dongdaemun (East Gate) Ward, where the red-light district stands, drew up its redevelopment plan, but it has made little progress since then.
Another civilian-invested railroad station will be put up in place of the current Yongsan Station Texas area.
Miari Texas will be redeveloped as part of a plan to build a new town in its vicinity.
The official said the city government will work with women's organizations to help prostitutes working in the red-light districts find other jobs.
"Education about re-employment is important because prostitutes may work underground in residential or suburban areas unless they land new jobs," he said.
Prostitution is illegal in Korea, but red-light districts thrive in large cities because law enforcement in the area is almost nonexistent.
Miari Texas is host to about 250 brothels where some 1,000 prostitutes work, the largest in the capital. Around 400 women work at 147 brothels in Cheongnyangni 588, and the 65 brothels of Yongsan Station Texas, employ 109 prostitutes.
hutsori
koreans are everywhere in cebu,malls,markets beaches etc.the key is to get the local resident koreans earning philippine incomes,higher then filipinos,but lower then normal koreans,for example a korean interpreter at hotel earns about 18 thousand pesos or about 350$ a month,but she gets an apartment like an airconditioned furnished studio for tourist about 70$ a month,a maid at 40$ a month,a meal at a foodcourt for 1$,fine dining at 5-6$,five star hotel,so she has a lower income,but a higher standard of living.then do korean things KTV,talk about herself etc,tourist guides and students are also good groups of koreans to work on,anyway this is not the proper area so post me on the cebu board happy hunting
Sorry to see that even Seoul is feeling the morality crackdown. Some of my fondest memories of trips to the Orient are of evenings on Hooker Hill. (The best of which involved two sisters one winter night when it was colder than a witch's tit outside, and wonderfully warm in a traditional Korean bed, particularly with two willing participants.) Wish I were there in Itawon right now! Randy
TDC is short for tongduchon the area right outside of Camp Casey and Tokori is what american GI's call the area outside of Camp Hovey. It's a 5 dollar taxi ride between both places. If I get a Chance tonight I will post a list of the clubs in both areas.
From the Korean Herald newspaper, Dec 9, 2002:
SEOUL TO REDEVELOP 3 RED-LIGHT DISTRICTS
Seoul City plans to begin redevelopment work on the three major red-light districts in the nation’s capital in 2004 as part of its new urban development project, officials said yesterday.
“The city government will draw up redevelopment plans for the districts by the end of 2003,” a city official said. “Work on redevelopment projects will begin in 2004.”
The three red-light districts—Miari Texas, Cheongnyangni 588 and Yongsan Station Texas—are all located north of the Han River that flows through the capital from east to west.
Mayor Lee Myung-bak, who was sworn in as Seoul’s top administrator in July, has been pushing for the urban development plan, which is aimed at giving a makeover to Seoul’s northern areas.
The businessman-turned-mayor put forward the blueprint under which three “new towns” will be built in the northern half so as to achieve balanced development in the capital.
“The city administration will lead the redevelopment projects because various interests, including those of brothel owners, are at stake,” the official said.
The sprawling Cheongnyangni 588, which is not far from downtown Seoul, will be replaced with a civilian-invested railroad station, with its construction permit likely to be issued within the month, the official said, “A budget of 120 million won has been earmarked for fleshing out the district’s redevelopment plan.”
The Office of Dongdaemun (East Gate) Ward, where the red-light district stands, drew up its redevelopment plan, but it has made little progress since then.
Another civilian-invested railroad station will be put up in place of the current Yongsan Station Texas area.
Miari Texas will be redeveloped as part of a plan to build a new town in its vicinity.
The official said the city government will work with women’s organizations to help prostitutes working in the red-light districts find other jobs.
“Education about re-employment is important because prostitutes may work underground in residential or suburban areas unless they land new jobs.” he said.
Prostitution is illegal in Korea, but red-light districts thrive in large cities because law enforcement in the areas is almost nonexistent.
Miari Texas is host to about 250 brothels, where some 1,000 prostitutes work. The largest in the capital. Around 400 women work at 147 brothels in Cheongnyangni 588, and the 65 brothels of Yongsan Station Texas employ 109 prostitutes.
Okay here is a list of some of the better clubs in tokori which is right outside of the US Military base called Camp Hovey:
M Asian girls
"X" Zone Russian
Ace
B&B
BlackJack
DMZ
Foxwoods Russian
Grand Illusion
NBA
Olympus
Smakers
Sunshine
Currently GI's have to be back on a military post by 600 so that should help you nonmilitary guys out. The exception is yongsan where the GI's down there basically do whatever they want with not much curfew enforcement.
As for TDC which is outside of Camp Casey there are over 40 bars to choose from but I like these three best:
BMW
Moscow
Seoul
all of these have nice russian women working in them, especially 1 in BMW and 2 in Seoul. I was in BMW one night with a friend and almost died from laughter when one GI passed his credit card to the owner. He took the best girl in the club with him and she was $200. I was playing cards with a chubby but cute girl and asked her how much. She said I didnt have enough, which was funny because she was rather plump. I will be going to Yong Ju Gol on friday night and will post a report on the conditions there.
Happy Hunting
oldleaf and photoman,
Seen these type of stories for years. 120 million won? That will buy you a 12-pyong one-room apartment. Wonder what kind of "fleshing out" will be done. Plans like these are usually announced, IMHO, to gain greater pay offs for those calling the shots or in response to some embassador's 57-year-old wife who's gotten her panties in a knot after learning about these areas. Why, if prostitution is illegal, do these places still exist? Econ 101, baby! Quote: Law enforcement in these areas is virtually non-existant. (?!) Heck, there's a police station next door to the entire brothel strip near Yongsan station. And if you live in Seoul you know that the police force (aka police farce) here is ubiquitous. Neither the Korea Herald nor the Korea Times are credible. Crack downs on just about everything are frequently announced, but it's typically far more form than substance. Your grandsons will be visiting these places a few decades from now.
Now, enough about fiction, who's been there recently? Recent cold spell may decrease the number of korean customers and give some of us long noses a chance. BTW, I've noticed that some of the places near Yongsan station are open mid-morning, approx. 10 AM. Since there are few, if any, customers at that time what's going on?
I've noticed that Yongsan seems to keep better hours than Miari or 588.
Was at Miari recently on a Saturday afternoon recently, and didn't see any of the houses open. Finally found one place, but this was after one of the ajuma offered me a fat girl. I politely declined.
Has been a few years since I was in 588, but noticed the same. Not much shopping around lunch time.
However, I've seen pretty good action at Yongsan as early as 9. Not every place was open, but there was enough variety to make it work the trip.
I don't speak Korean, but rarely have a problem with the "no foreigners" attitude. Of course, I don't walk the main road. There's enough to chose from on the side alleys.
Was turned down in Suwon recently because the girl complained about the size of the pepper. Made ajuma angry when I said no problem.
Went to Yong Joo Gol and it was everything and more. There were some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen on display there. And I have experienced other areas around the world so these women were comparable to the others. The three guys I took were young and never seen anything like this before. We arrived around 7:15 and we just walked around taking it all in. Most of the girls were still applying makeup and a good majority of the shops were not open yet. We didnt get many friendly looks but I think it might have to do with one of my companions. He's fat, bald and wore dirty jeans and a stupid lettermans wrestling jacket. Walked around for about an hour with no signs of any action for us at all. So we decided to get a beer and then head back out. We then split into two's to see if we had any better luck. After about 30 mins and almost being chased for taking pictures. I know stupid on my part. I said lets go home, we started to leave when I saw a girl alone. I went up to her window and in broken Korean asked her if I could come in. She motioned that I was too big down there. I found this very amusing since I am really rather average at best. So I told my friend to pull his out and show her. He motioned to her for a handjob and she told him the same thing too big. So he pulled it out, she saw it and said come on in. He said she wanted 70,000 for FS but he said 50,000 she talked to ajuma then did him for 50,000. He took a shower which is the norm then she proceeded to give him a massage nude, a bbbj multiple postions, daty and he finished by cumming on her tits. All of this took about 35 mins and he was very satisfied whith the service. She even gave me a smoke while we were waiting for our other friend who was with another girl in the booth across from hers. All in all they were happy with the evening. Sorry for the length of this post.
Nico,
Are you korean? I went there fri. nite and found it to be quite a 'cold' place, both figuratively and literally. Walked around for quite some time and got nothing buy cold shoulders and closed doors. I'm tall and white, but was with a korean friend. He asked some mafioso type if there's any place that'll take foreigners and he said no. Our taxi driver said he's seen lots of foreigners there. I think it's part of the anti-americanism sweeping the place, esp. northern seoul.
The women do seem quite hot, many with no panties under their supertight pants. Some are even in school-girl type uniforms, about as close to catering to fetishes as i've seen here. Would love to go back when things 'warm' up, but all in all it was a waste of w90,000 and 2+ hours for the taxi (black).
Ironically, this happened on friday the 13th. Should've known better...........
Harpo
Went back to Ambrosia to see Mindy - as someone else on the board said, "loyalty pays".
She remembered me when I came in, remembered my name and where I was from, so we sat and chatted for a while. Then she asked me 'what do you want?' - I always start with a stripshow which she is extremely good at, and is only 30,000 with full touching, kissing, fingering..
By that point it would be almost rude not to have sex with her, and I negotiated 90,000 which I was happy to pay (hell, she's stunning)
Ambrosia is a small place and she's the only girl who works in there, so basically she pulls down the blinds and all the fun happens in the bar. There's a sofa so she lay down on that and we had sex in various positions, including doggy where I got a fine view of her ass. I was close to blowing when she asked did I want to come on her tits, so she removed the condom, took me in her mouth, and I pulled out and came on her.
Afterwards she sat and talked whilst cleaning and playing around with me for a while.
I can't recommend her enough - if you're on the hill, go and see her, you'll not be disappointed!
harpo,
no i'm not korean i'm mexican but some most mistake me for african american. i took another mexican guy and two white guys with me.we were there friday night also but we left rather early since we dont have the luxury of staying out that late. were probably going back this saturday night. sorry to hear that it cost you so much money to get there and back. perhaps you might try taking the train next time. it's much cheaper.if you take the train to munsan a taxi ride there is only 10,000 or you could get off in paju which is even closer, and grab a taxi there. don't let that one experience hold you back. next time just try and find a girl all by herself and talk to her. we were thinking perhaps peer pressure from the other girls might have something to do with some girls not taking us. just a theory though. if you need travel tips or anything drop me an email.
ciao
Going to Tokyo for a week from dec 28th...just wondering if there are any good bars /clubs where it is relatively easy to pick up japanese girls...are there any clubs that japanese girls with the specific purpose of meeting western guys? (ala hollywoods in itaewon)...dont fancy paying for it given tokyos high prices...how do japanese girls in general compare to korean girls..are they forward or do the guys have to do all the work?
any info, clubs, experiences etc..would be much appreciated
cheers
Due to the recent stabbing of a US Army Colonel in Yongsan all military soldiers in Korea have a 9:00 pm curfew. So everyone out there please be carefull because if this happened to him it could easily happen to one of us.
Nico;
Regarding Yong Joo Gol ...
"Went to Yong Joo Gol and it was everything and more. There were some of the most beautiful women I have ever seen on display there."
Where exactly is this? I've been to Itaewon, and in that general area of Seoul. Is this on the outskirts? How far and how much by Taxi if it is? Sounds like a cool place. I'll wait for a response.
Thanks!
Well if you are coming from Seoul the best and cheapest way would be subway,train then taxi in that particular order. You would get on the subway and navigate to the green line which is line 2. Take that line and get off at the Ehwa Womens University stop. Stop #241. Then come above ground and look for signs that will lead you to the train station. Or politely ask someone. It's called Sinchon Station. Take the train north until you get to the town of paju. It's the stop after Wollong. If you miss the stop you can still get off at the next stop which is Munsan. I know for a fact that it's only 10,000 won for a taxi to Yong Joo Gol from there. But Paju is closer if your coming from seoul. Then just find a taxi and tell the driver Yong Joo Gol.
Train costs 1200 won
Subway costs 600 won
Taxi cost is negotiable
Once there you will see the windows where the women sit and wait for customers. Have fun, enjoy yourself and be careful out there. I was going this weekend but due to the recent events in Yongsan I have to stay home.
stabbing??!!?? woah... i like to get laid just like the next red-blooded male, but it's definitely not worth getting a knife in my back...
i've been following stories about the rising anti-american sentiment in Korea in the press, particularly disturbing are the "No Americans Welcome" signs in some of the stores / restaurants near the military bases...
is anyone actually in seoul now? what is the mood like? i guess its better to lay low for awhile?
[quote]originally posted by agoodfella
[i]stabbing??!!?? woah... i like to get laid just like the next red-blooded male, but it's definitely not worth getting a knife in my back...
i've been following stories about the rising anti-american sentiment in korea in the press, particularly disturbing are the "no americans welcome" signs in some of the stores / restaurants near the military bases...
is anyone actually in seoul now? what is the mood like? i guess its better to lay low for awhile? [/i][/quote]
its not as bad as the media makes it out to be. i'm here and haven't noticed any hostility. i haven't seen any of those signs either. i was shopping in dongdaemun on the weekend and the koreans were their usual selves. i only got asked once, in a friendly fashion, by a shopkeeper "american?" to which i replied "no." (i'm not).
you have to understand koreans are famous for this kind of sensationalism (remember anton ono and speedskating?). they even have a word for it.. which translates roughly to "a tin pot boiling rapidly and just as rapidly cooling off". fact is, these girls died several months ago and there were no 100,000 person plus vigils in the city.. only now that the racist ilbo's have jumped on he story after the aquittals and turned sofa reform into a presidential candidate platform issue. give it a month and they'll have found something else to be pissed about.
i would avoid going to places where large numbers of drunk korean men are about (shinchon, gangnam) to drink. in itaewon on the weekends at night you see more foreigners walking about than koreans anyway.
don't sweat the details.
Threre definitely is an increase is some crime against Americans, or at least GIs. If you are young, have short hair, and dressed like the typical GI, I would be cautious. I travel the subway to work everyday, and no one ever says boo to me. However, I'm not young, and I'm not a GI. I look more European than American.
There was a beating in Tongduchon this past few days, and one GI was shot with a pellet gun in the chest. If you have good manners, and are polite, don't worry. Koreans are just looking for an excuse to turn on you.
GI Curfew Hits Itaewon Nightspots
Continuing anti-American protests and the curfew on US military personnel has resulted in a severe blow to the profit margin of most Itaewon night spots.
The night club district off Itaewon was quiet last night, as were areas around other bases nationwide. The 9 a.m. to 5 p.m. curfew bans 37,500 soldiers from leaving their bases, following a knife attack on an American officer by three unidentified Korean men in an underpass outside Yongsan base Monday.
``The curfew is disastrous for my business,’’ said Hong Yoon-jin, owner of Club Dolce Vita. ``We are barely making 20 percent of what we usually took in before the anti-American protests began. Revenue will drop further as the curfew continues.’’
The protests and the curfew are having a very bad economic impact in Itaewon… ``You can say there is almost no business not affected by this situation,” said Chung In-cheol, owner of Seoul Pub.
``I will call it a night and go home early,’’ said Park Sung-bok, 48, a manager of club Indian Joes. ``Before the protests, about 12 soldiers visited my club each night, and Gis are usually big spenders. Now there are only two or three customers. I’m thinking of changing to another business.’’
American military police officers were on patrol in Itaewon last night, looking for curfew violaters.
In one bar, a sharp-eyed waitress was sitting in front of a closed-circuit TV monitor looking out for the MPs. She said the monitor was “installed to alert American soldiers who would then hide in the bathroom or elsewhere.”
jj@koreatimes.co.kr
12-18-2002 17:29
lighter9000: I think you are mistaken on your conception of this whole issue. There has always been anti-americanism in Korea for quite some time now. It has been known that there were at least 100,000 North Korean spies working in South Korea spreading anti-american rhetorics since the 70s. You can take note of this in the form of student protests during that time. During those days it was only the extreme leftest liberals that acted on these rhetorics. I believe that such elements still exists today, but the thing that worries me is that now, people who have stood on middle grounds are increasingly becoming more anti-america. This is the impression that I have gotten from my Korean friends. It is trully sad. But I have to stress that such sentiments are not of fickle in nature and took years to develop into full blossom. I just hope that it gets better soon. When it is all said and done, Korea has something to gain from America and America has something to gain from Korea. I hope this point can enlighten some people. Oh yeah, the stabbing incident is some bullshit. Don't worry about that. It's bunch of high school punks trying to think they are some mobs. I assure everybody that you have better change of getting stabbed in NYC than in Seoul even with this crisis going on.
Few Questions,
How do Room Salons and Business Rooms work?
Is it real expensive? Are these places you go by yourself?
SHould i go with a Korean?
Also, when you go to the Red Light areas, the girls there obviously expect a fuck. What if I just want a blow job or something.
ANyone know the going rate for that stuff? And how do you ask for a blow job in Korean? (i can read korean if you can type)
Jiggaman
can someone explain what Room Salons and Business Rooms are like? should you go with other ppl? do you basically shell out a lot of dough?
when you go to Red Light areas, do girls expect sex only? Can you ask for BJs only? If so, how much do those run? Or normally when you ask for price they give you price for sex?
How do you say BJ in Korean?
jiggaman,
'Room Salons' and 'Business Rooms' have in legal sense, no differences. They are classified as '1st kind entertainment facilities' in Korean law.
But in practice, they have some differences. Although all the 'business rooms' insist on their being and having no differences from room salons, we could hardly find genuine 'Room Salon' outside of Kangnam area in Seoul.
Among room salons in Kangnam area in Seoul, we categirize them into 5. They are '10%' '15%' '20%' 'Club' and 'Club with time limit'. The meaning of this classification is so complicated and hard to explain before you actually experience them.
Anyway, 'Room Salons' are more expensive than 'Business Clubs'.
For instance,
Room Salons Business Rooms
Premium Whisky KRW 250,000 KRW 150,000
Basic Sidedish KRW 150,000 KRW 100,000
Room Fee KRW 50,000 KRW 30,000 or under
Girl (1) KRW 100,000 KRW 80,000
Karaoke(man) KRW 100,000 KRW 80,000
After KRW 300,000 KRW 200,000
But in usual, in Room Salons girl will not stay beside of you all the time being, while in business rooms they will serve only you while you were there. Furthermore, 'After' price KRW 300,000 in Room Salons are minimum prices.
Why, then, usual men go to Room Salons instead of Business Rooms? Well, before your actual experince to Room Salons (esp. for 10% ones) you could not understand. For me, it's worth while.
It is real expensive? Yes, it's crazy expensive.
Go with a Korean or not? I strongly recommend you to go with Korean, and he must know and get accoustomed to the culture, behavior and everything in Room Salons. Otherwise, you would spend your money for nothing.
You could send me an email to :
daniel_you@yahoo.com
Thanks
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jiggaman
[i]Few Questions,
How do Room Salons and Business Rooms work?
Is it real expensive? Are these places you go by yourself?
SHould i go with a Korean?
Also, when you go to the Red Light areas, the girls there obviously expect a fuck. What if I just want a blow job or something.
ANyone know the going rate for that stuff? And how do you ask for a blow job in Korean? (i can read korean if you can type)
Jiggaman [/i][/QUOTE]
jiggaman: The first time I went to room salon with bunch of Korean friends, it cost me 700 dollars. Yeah they are expensive but worth the price. girls are better looking and they seem more accomodating.
yaoming,
$700?! worth the price?! $700?! that's 35 bar fines in angeles. that's 70 trips to blow row. and you don't have to hang with korean guys while they act like teenagers. was is really worth it?
all,
with the military curfew in force now you should be able to negotiate some good service rates on the hill. after sept 11, the last force-protection lock down, the prices on the hill were 30,000 for bbbj & happy ending in the mouth. but that was a long lock down. this lock down ends soon, though. happy hunting this weekend.
mindy was a guy. if a post-op is your thing, enjoy. if it isn't, she should be paying you.
has anyone been to the clubs on the lane that is perpendicular to the hill? walk up to the yogwan, turn right, and there are 5-6 places. reports?
nice that indian joes got a mention in the paper. she's been sucking dick there for decades. same white head band too. i try to stop by every 3 months or so as every once in a while she has a new girl working. there have been a few special ones. there's a special room hidden behind the curtain at the entrance. the place is always worth a look, and she's quite friendly. wonder what she plans to do as an alternative? perhaps suck the skins off grapes for the bong bong grape drink.
don't worry about the stabbing? when should we start to worry? after a few are killed? the tank crushing the two girls was a tragic accident. key word: accident. the korean behavior is all deliberate. that's why there's a boycott korean goods movement that's started on the bases. families back in the states are participating too. if you're tired of these goose-stepping over achievers you can help out by looking at the made in label before buying.
enough of the rep001ter shot.
happy christmas to all. i'll prowl the hill this weekend and i'm off to the philippines for a few weeks.
hutsori (and to the wsg community),
***warning long post***
re: the tank accident and anti-american sentiment in korea
let me begin by saying that my comments are meant neither to antagonize nor be unneccessarily argumentative, i just want to share some of the insight that i have accumulated over numerous conversations over many years from a very broad spectrum of people (from korean citizens ranging from students and taxi drivers to executives and professors and also from academia outside korea and also an ambassador in seoul who will remain anonymous but represents a "western" country...)
so if you don't want to get a bit of insight on this situation other than "there go those crazy koreans again" please feel free to stop reading...(and please bear in mind that i am an american and my sole purpose is to try and bring some perspective which may in some way help bridge the misunderstanding and miscommunication between two traditionally strong allies)
the tragic accident (and i fully agree that the fact that this was an accident is an important fact to bear in mind) is not the major issue from a "hard-core" korean's perspective. what is? there are several issues at different level, but in sum:
1) changes to the sofa agreement
2) a perception of american "hypocrisy" in its foreign policy
3) a general wish for more parity in the bi-lateral us-korea partnership
first off, the so-called "rising" anti-american sentiment is not all that a recent of a phenomenon. just because cnn is starting to report this issue now does not make it "news". for those who have been living or have been frequent travelers to korea (as i have) over the years and who have had a chance to speak with nationals, will realize that anti-american sentiment has been building for many years, this accident (and the subsequent acquittal of those two servicemen sparked the flashpoint which brought these underlying sentiments to a head - a crude analogy would be the rodney king riots which brought the racial tensions and the many years of police exploitation of blacks in south central l.a. to a boil)
1) the sofa (status of forces agreeement) has been a point of contention for many years (and not just in korea - those who have followed the numerous [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] cases by us servicemen based in okinawa, japan know that the japanese have pushed for similar changes to their sofa). yes, at the end of the day us force are there for korean security - of course i bring this issue up all the time when discussing this with nationals, but they are quick to bring up the fact that just because one wears a us military uniform does not automatically absolve one of criminal activity - they don't have some kind of diplomatic immunity just b/c they serve in the military. if they commit a crime, they should be judged by that jurisdiction which the crime is committed. that actually makes a lot of sense to me. the overwhelming majority of us servicemen are stand-up guys making unknown sacrifices to serve the us and korean interests -- its the very few bad apples that give them a bad name. why have them create this kind of negative feeling within the community that they serve? of course there will be a few "bad" guys in any community -- but why protect them? and to what extent does that "protection" begin to become detrimental to the rest of the larger team -- when does this "special treatment" begin to undermine the original mandate of the us military presence? well, its happening - president-elect roh made a huge campaign platform out of this very issue and his victory underscores these very questions. imho, people who commit crimes anywhere should be accountable for those actions. (again this doesn't mean that those two servicemen should have been sent to prison, it is the principle that they were judged by a us military court that is at issue here).
before i go on to points 2 and 3, i want to make sure that i'm not taking up too much space here and perhaps get some feedback as well...
here is hoping to some constructive dialogue instead of hurling insults at one another - we are all adults here right?
agoodfella-I've never understood why we still have armed forces in both S Korea, and more signifigantly in Japan some 50+ years after WW II, and almost 50 years since the end of the Korean conflict. There is no doubt that both countries can afford to defend themselves at this point. In essence, the US is substantilly subsidizing both countries economies, by providing this defense, for little current benefit. Lord knows, the US economy could use the stimulis that returning these billions of $ to the US would provide every year. Perhaps they would be more comfortable getting a "better" deal from the Chinese. I think not.
What is the racial situation there in Korea? I was stationed there in 1972 to 1973. During that period of time, the racial problems were intense. What does a short time cost in American dollars?
thor,
your question is a good one and although i don't have all of the answers, there are a few reasons why a US military presence in North Asia is still considered paramount to US security interests. To sum:
1) peace on the Korean peninsula (and peace in North Asia) has been kept in very large part due to the very visible US military presence both in Japan and Korea...
2) why is that peace important to US interests? well, if the North had ever attacked the South or Japan, the US would be there (that was one of the compromises that Japan made for not creating another military post-WWII and is also the reason that Japan and South Korea are NOT nuclear powers - it was a quid pro quo - the US would provide security and Japan and Korea wouldn't seek to become nuclear powers (of course it is not as simple as just that but this post is getting long already) - in sum, if war broke out US boys would be in there and many many lives would be lost - having troops in Japan and Korea has averted and continues to deter war - that kind of strategic deterrence has paid huge dividends
3) the US has a significant geo-political, strategic, and economic interests in maintaining a presence in North Asia - particularly with the rising might of China. the downing of the US spy plane earlier this year is an ominous prelude to China's future intentions. make no mistake - China does not perceive the US as a "friend" they are making clear benchmarks to the US military and want to be able to match our forces (including the Naval 7th fleet) over the coming years, and they are already bulking up their fighter forces, destroyers, subs and heavy artillery... my guess is that once they complete this build out, they are going to head south and "settle" the renegade Taiwain province issue once and for all
You are right in that Japan and Korea have the finances to defend themselves (in fact, the cost of military occupation in both Japan and Korea is actually in large part subsidized by Korea and Japan at this point) of course the personal sacrifices that US soldiers make notwithstanding, the actual "cost" of keeping forces there are largely borne by the host countries now. The money again is not the issue. The US military presence has provided stability for the region which is a long-term "insurance" policy which benefits all parties in the long run, and as Asia takes a larger table in the world economy, it is in America's best interests to have a say in helping to shape and influence policy (from foreign relations to economic issues) - in other words, packing up and leaving the US is always an option - but now more than ever, the it serves the US to be out in front and soldifying partnerships that have been forged over the decades - why leave now when for the first time the US can start to leverage and "cash in" some of the goodwill that has developed over the years?
agoodfella:
you seem to be very knowledgeable about the whole situation. I agree 100 percent to every statement that you have made. I couldn't find a more accurate representation of this crisis than you statement in this forum. You are definitely right. There is a big misconception about the presence of US servicemen in both korea and japan from the general american public. I sure that the korean or the japanese can surely defend themselves, but the presence of US troops gives them ADDED security-much like an airbag to a seatbelt-ultimately helping the region stabilize. However, I also understand why america does not want to pull it's troops out. By pulling out from the area, america would relinquish all it's geo-political influence in the region. And you are definitely right about China. A bigger threat than N. Korea is China. China definitely does not see US as a friend. It has always and always will seek an opportunity to bring down America.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by thor
[i]agoodfella-I've never understood why we still have armed forces in both S Korea, and more signifigantly in Japan some 50+ years after WW II, and almost 50 years since the end of the Korean conflict. There is no doubt that both countries can afford to defend themselves at this point. In essence, the US is substantilly subsidizing both countries economies, by providing this defense, for little current benefit. Lord knows, the US economy could use the stimulis that returning these billions of $ to the US would provide every year. Perhaps they would be more comfortable getting a "better" deal from the Chinese. I think not. [/i][/QUOTE]
What a load of bollocks!
Perhaps you really are "agoodfella" - but perhaps you are too young to even remember as far back as the end of the Soviet involvement in Afghanistan and the almost simultaneous removal of Soviet troops from East Germany and the Baltic States.
The sudden influx of troops into Russia, Ukraine and Belarus led to huge rises in unemployment. With nothing better to do, the Russian Mafia grew rapidly and fiercely. Soldiers of war became soldiers of crime. These people knew two things very well: (1) How to use weapons to scare the shit out of people; and (2) How to follow a chain of command.
The American economy is slowing down - no, NOT because of 9/11 (though, this will be blamed for EVERYTHING for ever more) - but because of the natural economic cycle aided and abetted by some rather strange domestic policies pursued by GWB. It is little wonder that he is seeking war with Iraq (second largest known oil reserves in the World) - wars always kickstart stagnant economies AND "Dubya" needs to maintain ludicrously cheap oil and gas prices at home, or risk losing the next election, in 2004.
Frankly, it helps, not hinders, the US economy, to have host countries picking up most of the tab for regional defence, whilst keeping all those men and women off the unemployment lines back home.
Now, can we get back to talking about the ridiculous cost of sexual favours in Korea?
ho man, i think you were addressing Thor not me?
yoaming, glad to see i've got some agreement on this site!
The clubs on the hill to the right are Fantasy club, Sun club, Paradise club, Sweetheart club and Club isisgebil and Club flower. Uni is at club flower she is 27 and works the bar she said she has another girl that works there but she's going to have to fire her because she's not really into her job. The club is really nice but rather small but it does have 5 private booths with high walls. My buddy went in today and had sex for 40,000 she tried to get 80,000 but he talked her down. Fantasy club is a nice club that I frequent, it has a nice small bar and a seperate bedroom in the back. There is only one girl that works there and I don't recall her name. First time I went there I paid 80,000 and she told me when I came back that it would be 60,000 next time. So the next time I went she saw me and my buddy together, then she only saw me. She asked where he went and I told her he went with the short lil ajuma that patrols the hill. Big mistake she said. Word to the wise never go with her. She says she has young girls for only 50,000 these girls are ugly and like 45 yrs old. Anyway she said that she would have done my buddy for 50,000 so I quickly put my money on the table and took her up on the offer. She said since it was holidays if I came back before christmas she would give me a discount, I stupidly went to dallas instead and my buddy ended up fucking her for 40,000. We have yet to try the other clubs but I assure you we will.
Back to a sex question .. I noticed some outrageous price quotes for action in Seoul. I did go to Seoul twice, and had alot of fun in the massage places in the basement levels at 2 different hotels in the Itaewon area. About $100 US for an hour, if I recall correctly. It's been a year, so it may have been a bit higher, but not much. Are those places still going? If so, why would anyone pay $500-$700. Is it that much better? Can't imagine it. Looking for expert opinions! Thanks!
Asiatraveler2...
US$100 is a little lower for that kind of place, but still you could expect a good service at around US$150.
US$700... It's the price I and another guy quoted for room salons, not for plain sex service or massage service. It's a completely different one, thus it still is worth going, I guess.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Asiatraveler2
[i]Back to a sex question .. I noticed some outrageous price quotes for action in Seoul. I did go to Seoul twice, and had alot of fun in the massage places in the basement levels at 2 different hotels in the Itaewon area. About $100 US for an hour, if I recall correctly. It's been a year, so it may have been a bit higher, but not much. Are those places still going? If so, why would anyone pay $500-$700. Is it that much better? Can't imagine it. Looking for expert opinions! Thanks! [/i][/QUOTE]
Speaking of the Dallas club, anybody else have such luck with that place? The girl their isn't a fatty but is just big-boned (I swear!! It's not beer-goggles talking. Been there 10+ times). Nice big tits, loves to fuck, usually doesn't wear panties. Forget her name, never fucks w/a condom. Have to ask for it and she thinks it's like asking for a razor in a hemopheliac factory. I've bare-boned her a few times, and she's been there for at least a year and a half, if not more. Thats' a good sign right? No Aids?
Can anybody else comment on her?
Gracias,
Harpo
Anyone who pays $700US for massage is out of their mind. There are far too many places in Seoul where you can get anything and everything your little head desires for far, far less.
Just to get an important point across, the United States maintains a forward deployed military presence in Asia because there are many in high places that remember that in the last 60 years we have fought one Worl War and two regionam wars in Asia, and that it is entirely possible that we will have to do so again in the forseeable future.
Having a significant militry presence in Asia serves exactly the same purpose as putting out a booby trap -- or a Claymore. When the trip wire is hit, it sets off the action. Having military forces in theatre is a clear sign of our national commitment to respond to military actions that we see as counter to our national interests.
It also serves two other purposes as well. First off, it is a significant inducement to host countries to purchase American made defense equipment -- not an insignificant political help in finding support for the DoD budget in Washington, and a real help in providing defense jobs at American factories.
Also, in a side effect seldom considered in the Halls of Congress or in the Pentagon, it provides the opportunity for new generations of American servicemen to discover the joys of LBFMs (Little Brown F***ing Machines) and the wonderful world of sex beyond the world of Mary Jean Rottencrotch.
Having a rich uncle, who sent me "for duties beyond the seas" was one of the high points of my life.
Randy
aagoodfella
My apologies! That's what comes from not sleeping for two days!
Happy Christmas to all!
Good Barber Shops in Seoul? Any solid information on barber shops near COEX area that offer FS at a reasonable price by young women, and not by 30 somethings? All my experience has been with women over 30 and average to ugly ratings on looks, even though the body was fine. thanks.
good barbershops near COEX?
OK, bear with me on directions, it's a little tough to pin down.
The place is called Pinkle (like the singing group, one can only dream...) but is written only in Korean. However, the sign is all pink so that is an indication.
Stand in front of the door at the Starbucks in the Rodamco Tower (nr. Yeoksam St.) You'll be on a side street, not on Taehaeran-no. If you look straight ahead, you see another small street. Walk that direction. I believe it is only about 1 small block and the place is on your left. This is really back in the mazes of Seoul streets but worth your time.
I went and the girl was tall, thin, young and hot. Gave me a pretty good 30 minute massage in the barber chair and then indicated for me to follow her.
We went up a staircase to a bedroom with a yo on the ground. Stripped down naked for some good fondles and BJ, then full service. No shower but a good lay all around.
randy farang:
$700 was for room salon. room salons are quite expensive, but the quality is unparallel. might have trouble going in if not korean though. I was only let in because of my korean friends, and also because I am good at pretending as a second generation korean-american. my good friend who happend to be white was not let in. I don't know if it had to do with anti-american sentiments, but for whatever reason, they were discriminating. Massage places like tuhki tang are cheaper probably around 170 dollars, but the quality suffers. and you can definitely get something even cheaper at barber shops or the rld, but the girls there are nasty and fugly bitches.
Gameover, thanks for the lead. With regard to room salons, $700 is typical for three guys in a room with three girls, but no more than that. I was hosted many times in Seoul by a client-friend and consequently, I never paid anything for visits but the price mentioned is typical. After drinking and singing, if you want to take your girl to your room, it is additional $250. It is pricey but the quality of girls are very good, I would say in looks at least 8 or better and they are very tight in the southern area, which I love the most.
Since I was lucky to be accompanied by my client-friend who frequented this particular place behind the Star Tower, I was treated well. For instance, I tell the madam that I would not take anyone with me unless they stay for three hours or more or sleep in until the morning and always, I got what I asked for. Girls age range from 21 to 29; anyone over 30 is considered washed up and they probably end up in barber shops as they are deemed old. It is a cruel industry, I guess.
I have also been to less expensive room salons and would never venture to these places again as the quality of girls suffer drastically. It is not worth your money. Further, if you don't have someone who knows the establishment, especially as a foreigner, you will bet ripped off. Even if you are with a Korean friend and have never been to the room salon you are visiting, just pretend that you have been there before.
Is there any Strip Club in Seoul?
frankdoubt,
Strip Clubs are strictly illegal in Korea by law, but you could sometimes enjoy the semi-strip scene in clubs mostly beloved by the U.S. military people.
Pure Korean strip shows (completely nude) are available in the area of Pukchang Dong, Seoul. There are lots of clubs you could enjoy that.
Prices are a little high, but it's worth it.
Daniel
daniel_you@yahoo.com
[QUOTE]Originally posted by frankdoubt
[i]Is there any Strip Club in Seoul? [/i][/QUOTE]
Speaking of the Dallas Club, now the aformentioned girl wants W300,000 for FS!!! This is a substantial increase from the <W50,000 she used to take. She was saying something about how now things are different, but I got her to agree to a BJ for W40,000, though I didn't take her up on it. I was wondering if customers are coming to their senses and getting better at bargaining or what. Seemingly irrational price change came out of no where!!
Anybody else noticed girls with irrational prices lately?
Harpo
RE: strip clubs
There used to be a DAV club in Itaewon that had strip shows. There have been a few clubs here and there around the military base in Yongsan, but don't know if they still exist. The DAV was on the main road in Itaewon.
Years ago, the DAV was over in Hannam Dong. Was a great place -- beer was only a $1. Was not unusual to go in, and find a girl sitting buck naked across from you once your eyes became used to the darkness. Too bad it closed. Used to get a hard one every time I would hear Velcro.
All of WSG Forum Friends,
Whether you are a reader or a writer in this forum,
I wish you a Happy New Year of 2003!
Daniel
Thanks Daniel - and the same to you!
photoman, pardon my ignorance - what is a DAV club?
Dear Ho Man,
Strange as it may be, DAV stands for Disabled American Veterans.
photoman
Thanks for clearing that up! In a thousand years, I would not have been able to guess! Is anyone else allowed into these clubs?
Dear Ho Man,
I don't have any information on access to these clubs. I believe they were foreigners only. I've never been to the one in Itaewon, and don't even know if it exists yet.
Does anyone have the coffee shop scheme figured out? I know they are involved in the “ticket” racket, especially outside of Seoul. I’ve seen lots of taebang agassis being delivered on the back of scooters. In Seoul you see the coffee shop girls running around with their hot water and instant coffee. Is that all they deliver?
Years ago when I was working in downtown Seoul there was a second floor coffee shop that had three women: owner (mid 30s), 30ish waitress and a 20-something knockout. I could go up there and buy the gals a coffee, and get a hand job as well. Cheapest hand job I’ve had in Korea – less than $3. Don’t know if it was because I was a foreigner and didn’t speak Korean, or because it just was fun. Once I even took the owner to a hotel for a freebie. The good looking one even would let me play with her tits while whacking me off. Unfortunately, the owner sold the coffee shop and I never was able to make the connection with the new crew.
What is the secret to the coffee shops? Does it have to do with floor location? I know that a basement barber shop is the on-the-mark signal for extra action, but how about coffee shops? I’ve tried them in the basement, first floor and second floor without success for years now. This has been in all parts of Seoul. Bad news is that the traditional coffee shop is dying to make way for Starbucks and others.
I don’t speak much Korean, so do I need to let the green do the talking? If I put 30,000 won down on the table before ordering, would the waitress get the clue? Any advice would be appreciated.
Can anyone repost the locations and directions to the RLDs in Seoul? I know there on this board, but i am having difficulty finding it again.
Also, what is the going rate these days?
FS?
BJ only?
-jigga
The only RLD I Know is at Yongsan.
Exit the Station by the 'Main Station Square' signs. THat'll take you down a ramp. Cross the road and continue forward, crossing another road bia the Zebra crossing. You are now there, i.e. you should see the street that has the windows etc.
Apparently this street wont accept foreigners, keep going a block then go down one of the side alleyways. The girls here are more friendly. I had a great go off of a Girl named So Young. Said she was 22, I'd give her a few more than that.
Paid 60,000 for the privelage of the best blowjob I have ever had. Followed by sex in a few positions. LAnguage is a problem there, and even a basic understanding of the language will really help.
Good luck,
J
Looks like the anti-American sentiment topic is prevailing on these forums. I just want to add a few things. When I was in Korea this past summer, I tried passing as an American, a Canadian and a European and got the EXACT same reaction. These “anti-American” protests are just an excuse for Koreans to vent out their racist tendencies. And most foreigners who have been to Korea for an extended period of time know how “welcoming” the locals are to us. Most of my Korean friends, who thankfully are level-headed, even say that Koreans are racist.
On another note, I find it quite ironic and subsequently disturbing that the ordinary citizens of China and the Middle-East, regions that are considered “enemies” of the West, can differentiate between a nation’s government and its citizens; yet the people of South Korea, which is supposedly a modern and “forward-looking” nation cannot discern the two. I was treated better in both those “hostile” regions than I was “friendly” South Korea.
Don’t get me wrong, I love Korea, the culture, the food, some of the people and (since I frequent this site) the women, but this attitude is disturbing. And if it continues to swell, then the future of a Korea section for this website looks to be pretty dim…
Hi all,
I have been trying to call some outcall services here in Seoul, but apprently all hang up the phone when i started speaking in English.
Anyone can point me to one thats foreigner friendly? Either houes call massage servicesor tabangs.
Tks a zillion !!!
Cheers
To any of you out there with the tiniest touch of class:
Went to Itaewon my first time last night and checked out the "Hill" as well as some regular bar called The Loft. All I can say is AVOID this area as it seems the expat clientele is predominantly from the lower echelons of society.
Korea is probably the best example of the old adage "You get what you pay for." 2-3 million won for a night of drinking at a room salon and a bed companion that looks like a supermodel sure beats the Itaewon grandmas the GI drones/ESL teachers are "scoring." It must truly suck ass to be here without a trusty little expense account (thank you God, thank you....).
cherang,
It's so natural for them not to understand English. I don't think you could ever find a good out-call service in English.
My suggestion is:
1. To find a Korean friend who would help you to find a good out-call service for you.
or
2. To go to a place where English could be understood or needless to be understood.
Option 1 will be easier, but you could still find your luck with option 2, and I strongly encourage you to go to a 'Turkish bath' in Seoul.
Hope this information was of help.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by cherang
[i]Hi all,
I have been trying to call some outcall services here in Seoul, but apprently all hang up the phone when i started speaking in English.
Anyone can point me to one thats foreigner friendly? Either houes call massage servicesor tabangs.
Tks a zillion !!!
Cheers [/i][/QUOTE]
photoman...
Slightly belated response, but I felt some explanations are needed.
Those kind of coffee shops are seldom found in Seoul area these days, but still you could be there in a remote town, especially in a small port town.
There, in coffee shop with that kind of service, girls are emplyed by the hours, and when you wish to enjoy with them, you should 'buy' girl's time. They call it 'to buy ticket(s)' and additionally you have to pay for the service the girls offers.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by photoman
[i]Does anyone have the coffee shop scheme figured out? I know they are involved in the “ticket?racket, especially outside of Seoul. I’ve seen lots of taebang agassis being delivered on the back of scooters. In Seoul you see the coffee shop girls running around with their hot water and instant coffee. Is that all they deliver?
Years ago when I was working in downtown Seoul there was a second floor coffee shop that had three women: owner (mid 30s), 30ish waitress and a 20-something knockout. I could go up there and buy the gals a coffee, and get a hand job as well. Cheapest hand job I’ve had in Korea ?less than $3. Don’t know if it was because I was a foreigner and didn’t speak Korean, or because it just was fun. Once I even took the owner to a hotel for a freebie. The good looking one even would let me play with her tits while whacking me off. Unfortunately, the owner sold the coffee shop and I never was able to make the connection with the new crew.
What is the secret to the coffee shops? Does it have to do with floor location? I know that a basement barber shop is the on-the-mark signal for extra action, but how about coffee shops? I’ve tried them in the basement, first floor and second floor without success for years now. This has been in all parts of Seoul. Bad news is that the traditional coffee shop is dying to make way for Starbucks and others.
I don’t speak much Korean, so do I need to let the green do the talking? If I put 30,000 won down on the table before ordering, would the waitress get the clue? Any advice would be appreciated. [/i][/QUOTE]
can someone explain what a turkish bath is?
what is the difference b/w turkish bath and those "saunas"
i have never seen a sign for a turkish bath...its seems they are located mainly in itaewon by the posts....
also, in terms of these bbbj, are the risks that high for me if I get a bbbj? how unsafe is it? i can't imagine it feeling that nice with a condom...anyone really not reccommed getting bbbj in korea?
i have actually not made it out exploring in Korea or anywhere else for that matter, and i am a bit curious...
any interest out there for someone to be sort of a guide?
-jigga
[QUOTE]Originally posted by assetman
[a bed companion that looks like a supermodel]
Where/how'd you hook up with her?
Went to the Rous and saw Gina last night. It was my first time with her and all I can say is shes incredible and truly a doll. i read all the great reviews here about her so that's why I had to give her a try. As was posted earlier down the board please treat her kindly shes terrific. Had a rather wierd encounter also later that night with two very old women down towards the Mcdonalds. They offered themselves both for $40 US. I can only guess that they offered this fantastic price because they were old and ugly as shit. Anyways I took them up on it and they took me too a small place right off the main street and one blew me while the other licked and sucked my balls and ass. While this was a great value if given the chance again I while pass. Also ABC news's Primetime television show was in the area and filming on the Hill. Since they had been filming at my post for two days.I took the liberty to inform them of a few interesting items that they were most happy to hear. They said the show might air around the 30th of Jan take a look you just might see yourself on the hill.
Hello Jiggaman:
Turkish bath is where the girl first showers you then puts you on what is similar to an operating room table and lathers you up with her body which is interesting if she has decent sized breasts. The final act is that she will put a condom on you and ride you on top then you rinse/shower off get dressed and leave.
The Sauna's are with and without sex. The ones that have girls are called "Ahn-Ma" which means massage. It is a two character word. First character is a circle with a vertical line to the right with a horizontal strut sticking out to the right with underneath it what look like the left and bottom side of a square. The second character is a square with the same vertical right strut and nothing underneath. If you go to Ahn-Ma, say you want full service. You will start by being shown to a room where you change into a robe and then go downstairs to the "sauna" where you shower, have a jacuzzi bath, etc. During this, there are no girls, just you and the other male customers. When your done, you go back to the room where you changed and lay on a mat. The massage (usually robe on but nothing else) is usually done by a blind woman in her 30's to 40's and is quite good 30-40 mins. After this, a young girl will come in, strip down in fornt of you then get you hard manually and put a condom on. Then she will usually suck for a bit with condom until you are totally hard. She will usually ride on top until you cum. Then you either shower again or dress and go. You can alter position if you want. The sex itself is rather clinical but a nice finish to what is a good massage.
I would recommend the Ahn Ma over turkey bath as they are around equal price (170,000 Won, $150 US), the sex is the same but you are dry instead of wet and the massage is better than the lather up of the turkey.
Note, in both these places, it is not likely you will get a BBBJ as these girls do 20 guys a night and I am not sure you would want to.
My advice is to stay out of Itaewon, it is the only place in Korea you will get STD or worse. You get what you pay for, Kangnam (Roon Salon) (South Seoul, Kangnam means south of the river in reverse) is the place, very expensive $1,500 for two guys with girls but you will get a BBBJ with no risk and if you want a BB ride. Because of the expense, these girls are only having sex 2-5 nights a month as most Korean customers leave after the drinking and singing.
If you want to shave some expense off but still be able to do BB, go to NE Seoul, north of YongDong bridge. these girls get it more often but from repeat customers it is kind of closed circle.
Note some of the Turkey bath girls may try to only give you a HJ but insist on IC. And some of TB or Sauna may not take foreigners.
Your best bet is to go with a Korean guy and pay for him (if he does not host you). He will buy you credibility with the girls that you are not a serial killer. Remember, Xenophobia is alive and well in Korea. Most Korean girls think western guys are too big for them so have the Korean guy describe you size to the girl. they are OK with 6-7" but are worried if you are too big.
Remember, most girls do not speak english. Some are not worried about the BB IC itslef, they are worried about getting pregnant (BC is non-existent in Korea). If they want you to use a condom, try telling them you cum outside of them. Say "mool" (water) and "yuggi" (here), put your hand on their belly to let them know you will cum outside them. This will work 90+%.
Don't break your promise, they will go nuts.
Hope this helps.
Jigga
I will be in Seoul 30th/31st if you need help (guide)
theprince,
The 'supermodel' experience was in a room salon called Leaders Club in Yoido, but they will only accept foreigners through a trusted reference (I don't blame them considering the kind of expat riff raff Korea seems to attract).
I've been going to this one for the past year now (total about 7 times) and the quality of the girls is IMHO 7-9 on average with the occasional real stunner.
Email me at lonestarkorea@hotmail.com for more info.
Love Taipei - those Ahn Ma places sound great. In Japan the massage joints are almost all strictly hand-job or at the most covered BJ. Some places will do FS but at those places the massage is generally just the girl lightly touching your back for about 2 minutes before asking you to turn over and bang away. sometimes go to a blind male masseuse place first for a great massage and then to a pink salon for a BBBJ. It would be great to get it all in one place.
Do you really do BBFS with Korean working girls? That's too much for me, if you're not worried about AIDS how about herpes? I do do it BB with my Japanese GF and sex friends though ;-).
love taipei,
i really have to disagree on the recommendation of ahn ma over turkey bath. i've found the girls at ahn ma to be low quality, the sex extremely methodical and i have a bit of an ethical problem with the blind, sometimes disabled massage girl. the one benefit of ahn ma is the sauna facilities which allow you to relax at your own speed.
my favorite turkey bath is still the dynasty hotel, i have one girl there in particular that is absolutely fantastic in all ways. very relaxed, great massage, excellent body scrub-down, and some of the best lovin i've ever experienced. i've also had great experiences with other girls there and in other places. get a recommendation as the service varies quite a bit from place to place.
i'd love to hear others recommendations of turkey baths, steam baths, kajok tang, etc.
Gameover:
Preference is what makes the world go around, right? The blind ones are not engaged in sex, they have sightful girls who do that. I did mention the Ahn Ma is clinical in nature
I do know Dynasty (used to live behind Ritz Carlton) but never tried their Turkey.
I do agree with you that it depends on who you get. As the only foreigner, I used to get to choose at Ahn-Ma which is not usual.
Happy New Year (Lunar) 2/1/03
Hello everybody,
I have been reading the posts and taking notes, a couple of questions, where can you go near Itaewon to meet normal korean girls? I was in korea in 1994, in a city called Taegu and i got plenty of normal girl action, the girls would even pay for food and hotel ;-) , i know it is hard to believe, i used to go to a club called MVP almost everyday so i knew the regular girls and I was able to spot the fresh meat, Now i am in seoul and am looking for the same type of girls, normal girls u can take to the movies and the F**, also can someone tell me how the yongsan sation compares to the other red light districts, where is this 588? is it the blue line 588?
thanks
anyone who will be here this weekend let me kow.......
mik_outkast@yahoo.com
Do most of the massage/HJ places still exist in the basements of the hotels in Itaewon? I visited a couple, one that just came up in the basement of the Hamilton and another in a hotel I forgot the name of. Relatively close to the Hamilton .. maybe a 5 minute taxi ride. Those were pretty good, and reasonable at $150 US total with tip. Don't really want to venture out too far, since language seems to be a problem.
I've got a general question on the Hill...I've been there a couple of times. Once in particular, the girl told me that she will not perform any sexual services...How common is this? Are there places on the Hill where the girl will just sit their with you to talk while you buy her drinks? The one that I went to was on the left (I forget the name) about 4 to 5 stores up. I went during the day when this girl was the only one there (her name was Jung Hae, I believe)....anyways, i would truly appreciate an answer.....
Asia Traveler 2
Regarding the Barber Shops, 1 spinning red, white and blue barber poles is a regular barber place, 2 spinning poles is what you are after. They are all over Seoul and Korea for that matter, not only Itaewon.
Also, remember that most places now advertising "sports massage" are a euphimism for "turkey bath", you might also see the terms "steam bath", refer to earlier postings. You will know as soon as you walk in. If the glass is smoked and it is quiet, you are in the right place, if there are lot of people and guys with their sons, you've stumbled upon the public bath.
mik outcast
If you want to find "normal" Korean girls, get out of Itaewon, as I said before, it is the only place you will catch STW in Korea.
One of the best places to find girls looking to score is a club call BOSS 677 in Kangnam (just east of Yeoksam Road). It is attached to Hotel I cannot remember name.
For Koreans, they only let in people under 30, foreigners are cut more slack, dress well and you will have better chance in, even try to grease the doormen 10,000 Won a piece. They have both private rooms and open table. It is expensive but the girls there are customers, not workers.
The game is you tip the male waiter to bring a girl to your table or room for a drink. The rest depends on you. Only 20% of the babes will speak English. If you are older, it may be difficult.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Love Taipei
[i]AsiaTraveler2
Also, remember that most places now advertising "sports massage" are a euphimism for "turkey bath", you might also see the terms "steam bath", refer to earlier postings. You will know as soon as you walk in. If the glass is smoked and it is quiet, you are in the right place, if there are lot of people and guys with their sons, you've stumbled upon the public bath. [/i][/QUOTE]
Taipei;
Thanks for the info. It's the "turkey baths" that I'm looking for. FS seems hard\expensive to find. If I can get a nice massage and a HJ, that should work fine. The last place I went to .. she gave me a full body to body oil massage, a neat trick where she clamped me between her legs and with the oil .. wow! All for $150 .. not cheap, but not outrageous either. Last time I was there about a year ago .. seemed like most of the larger hotels had one in the basement level. Thanks!
mik_outcast,
If you do visit some clubs in Itaewon look for the korean girls with anju (snacks) on their table. Those that have it are newbies, which the waitress will have figured out very quickly, and they'll be obliged the shell out quite a few won for some dried squid and a few peanuts. The regular korean girls know that the anju is optional in a round-eye place and don't buy it.
The pick up scene is quite different in korean-oriented places, where waiters play the role of "booking"-- hooking up girls and guys. The international 5-star hotels have bars with an active pick-up scene--there's always quite a few working girls, also--w/o the booking action. (Note: the girls that sit at the bar are most often working the place. They don't want to shell out the won for a table and the obligatory super-high-priced anju. They'll be happy to chat, dance and feign interest in you, and then they'll ask for $500+ to go back to your place.)
Those that you see at the tables are worth your effort, and most of the korean guys are also working them. These guys have forked out a lot of won for the table, anju and bottle of scotch, and to many girls this adds up to an attractive package. It's a very competive scene; the quality of the girls dictates so. And korean guys can be pretty "pursuasive" with all the pulling and tugging they'll do to get the girls to join them. Figure a few of the girls leave with dislocated shoulders.
Fortunately for round eyes there are a few girls looking to hook up with us. Also good are the hotel-located parties such as Oktoberfest. At 2002's Hilton Oktoberfest there were quite a few girls on the prowl.
If the locale is known to koreans as a place where round eyes frequent, but don't dominate, my general rules are:
1) look for girls sitting in 2s or 3s. Typically they came together to look for round eyes. They tend to be more open to conversation.
2) if she's sitting by herself she's either mad or a working girl. Give no true personal details. If she's working it's up to you. If she's mad take her to a yogwan.
3) large groups can be more difficult to work since it's unlikely they came together with the desire to find round eyes. Do what you can get the girl to move away from the group, and if she doesn't want to, then move on.
Nico,
Helping out Prime Time Live? Great! Let's see...an American network on the Hill filming...ah...an informative news story about the happiness of foreigners eating kimchi and listening to pansori in the four seasons of korea. Unlikely. Given that Time magazine ran the-Americans-are-exploiting-the-poor-Russian-and-Filipina-waifs story are few months ago, it seems that a sensationalistic follow up is in line. Wonderful. Can't wait for it to air, then the koreans go ape shit about misbehaving Americans, and then...why are the bars closed? Ever hear this maxim: Don't shit on your door step. I have friends here who are journalists w/ the major international press who wouldn't even think about passing info on to outsiders. Given the ever decreasing number of places for girls, beer and action, I don't think your "helpfulness" was too wise--I'm putting this far too kindly. ABC is here for a few days, and then back to the land of the enormous assed women. And you? Hope you enjoy the repercussions of your folly. Have fun with your XBox. My only hope is that ABC filmed you walking out of a forbidden establishment, and someone on your post passes the info on to CID and/or your CO. And please, let's not see the likes of you in the Philippines and Thailand.
hutsori, I think you might have misunderstood or perhaps I didn't explain myself clearly enough. I was telling them about the training that they observed, while at my base. They were doing a story on a day in the life of a soldier. I just gave them some information that I felt they needed to know. I have sense enough to realize that being filmed in that area isn't a good idea. Not because Im scared of CID but I have other concerns.
Also all we talked about was military related. About Iraq, N. Korea just general topics.
Hutsori,
thanks for the tips, i had forgotten about the snacks on the tables, good intel, I was down in Itaewon last night with a couple of friends we were at King club and Pollys kettle, there were some girls there, i talked to 2 girls who were chinese tourists, we sat down and had some drinks, but they left about midnight so the rest of the night I was trying to hook up, we went to the hollywood bar and grill but they dont let military people in and one of the guys we were with clearly looked like Military, so we ended up back at the king until 130 am it got pretty dead so we went to Yongsan station to the red-light district, we got one girl that opened the door (side street) she was about 25-30 (about a 7 on a 10 scale) and she wanted both of us at the same time so we paid her 60000 won each and she sucked us and fucked us for about 30 minutes, she kept going until we both came, she would suck and get fucked doggy at the same time, after we finished she had a little refrigerator and she gave us a drink, that was funny, total for the night for suck and fuck, $50-- my friend looked american i am spanish but could pass for half korean-----a lot of girls were calling us over.
I'm gonna try and hunt for some more girls later on
BYe all
Mik
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hutsori
[i]mik_outcast,
If you do visit some clubs in Itaewon look for the korean girls with anju (snacks) on their table. Those that have it are newbies, which the waitress will have figured out very quickly, and they'll be obliged the shell out quite a few won for some dried squid and a few peanuts. The regular korean girls know that the anju is optional in a round-eye place and don't buy it.
The pick up scene is quite different in korean-oriented places, where waiters play the role of "booking"-- hooking up girls and guys. The international 5-star hotels have bars with an active pick-up scene--there's always quite a few working girls, also--w/o the booking action. (Note: the girls that sit at the bar are most often working the place. They don't want to shell out the won for a table and the obligatory super-high-priced anju. They'll be happy to chat, dance and feign interest in you, and then they'll ask for $500+ to go back to your place.)
Those that you see at the tables are worth your effort, and most of the korean guys are also working them. These guys have forked out a lot of won for the table, anju and bottle of scotch, and to many girls this adds up to an attractive package. It's a very competive scene; the quality of the girls dictates so. And korean guys can be pretty "pursuasive" with all the pulling and tugging they'll do to get the girls to join them. Figure a few of the girls leave with dislocated shoulders.
Fortunately for round eyes there are a few girls looking to hook up with us. Also good are the hotel-located parties such as Oktoberfest. At 2002's Hilton Oktoberfest there were quite a few girls on the prowl.
If the locale is known to koreans as a place where round eyes frequent, but don't dominate, my general rules are:
1) look for girls sitting in 2s or 3s. Typically they came together to look for round eyes. They tend to be more open to conversation.
2) if she's sitting by herself she's either mad or a working girl. Give no true personal details. If she's working it's up to you. If she's mad take her to a yogwan.
3) large groups can be more difficult to work since it's unlikely they came together with the desire to find round eyes. Do what you can get the girl to move away from the group, and if she doesn't want to, then move on. [/i][/QUOTE]
Nightclub BOSS is at the basement of 'Sunshine Hotel'.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Love Taipei
[i]mik outcast
If you want to find "normal" Korean girls, get out of Itaewon, as I said before, it is the only place you will catch STW in Korea.
One of the best places to find girls looking to score is a club call BOSS 677 in Kangnam (just east of Yeoksam Road). It is attached to Hotel I cannot remember name.
For Koreans, they only let in people under 30, foreigners are cut more slack, dress well and you will have better chance in, even try to grease the doormen 10,000 Won a piece. They have both private rooms and open table. It is expensive but the girls there are customers, not workers.
The game is you tip the male waiter to bring a girl to your table or room for a drink. The rest depends on you. Only 20% of the babes will speak English. If you are older, it may be difficult. [/i][/QUOTE]
Love Taipei,
If you have never tried the Dynasty, you MUST get yourself over there, if only to compare your experience to mine.
On Ahn Mas, I understand that the blind girl is not your service girl. However, it simply makes me a bit queasy to have her around and definitely doesn't get me fired up for what comes next.
Having said that, my experience with Ahn Ma is limited and I had a question for you. Do all Ahn Ma's that you go to give FS? I've been to some that didn't offer it at all, and actually didn't do anything other than the blind girl massage. I have walked out thinking "what a complete waste of time". What are the signs for a good Ahn Ma?
And again, go to the Dynasty, you won't be disappointed (or at least I hope not and I have never been)
Hi forum, Australian Guy, visiting Seoul Korea for a few nights 8-9 Feb... not into paying huge $, any tips on where i find cute local girls (day and night)... thanks very much... rabbit906@hotmail.com
rabbit906
your best bet is the rld if you are not really into paying a huge load of dollars. your second choice should be baber shops. I don't think you will find any cute girls in Korea if you are not really into spending shit load of money. I say the price in Korea should be very similar to prices in Australia if you are lookin into sex. I sort of know a little bit about whoring in Australia too and I say it's actually little better there than Korea, but do try out the rlds mate.
thanks for info, i'll check out barber shops as you suggest (which is the best in your view), also what is rld?
i'll post a report of my exploits when i get back. But u are probably correct, S Korea sounds about the same $ as Australia, not that that is a problem,
thanks a lot.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rabbit906
[i]thanks for info, i'll check out barber shops as you suggest<snip>. [/i][/QUOTE]
Ahh, the Korean barbershops. What a great invention. I've only been there a few times, but I wish we could import something like that to the US.
Cold towel wipe on your face and feet when it's hot out, warm towel when it's cold. Massage and shave in the barber chair, HJ & cleanup and then a 30 minute nap. What a great way to spend your lunch hour.
(sighing in memory)
dieter
OK, I'm going to be in Seoul from 9th to 21 Feb and I've got some questions that have probably been asked a thousand times already but here we go again!
The Hill - where precisely is this and do I want to go there?
Barbershops, massage parlours or Karaoke bars?
Chances of getting a girl to my hotel via the concierge? I'm staying at the Mayfield out near Gimpo Airport?
Chances of getting one of the waitresses at the hotel (OK this one is just wishful thinking!)
I've experienced the scene in Taipei, Orchard Towers etc in Singapore, the sweet girls in Macau and all the wonderful bars etc in Manila but this is my first extended trip to Seoul.
Thanks for your help guys.
rabbit906:
what up man. RLD is an abbreviation for red light districts. The most notorious one is Seoul is a district called 588. In Korean it is pronounced oh pal pal (numberical phonation for 5-8-8) The name is derived from the bus that runs along chungryangri in Seoul. Korea has a numerical division of buses based on its routes. You can say oh pal pal to any cab driver and he'll understand you. I don't know how white people are treated these days with all the vent up anti-american sentiments, but from what I understand, this should not be a problem. A even more white-friendly (I'm assuming you are white) place is a RLD called texas miari. Barber shops are a littel cheap with nastier women, but if you are pressed for time and money, I guess is worth a try. But be careful though, I heard of a Korean friend who visited a barber shop and was forced to wear a blind-fold. While he was getting a hj, he peaked to see who is performing. He was shocked to find the barber reading a newspaper with one hand while the other one was busily jacking his tool. Oh yeah. the price in RLD is very similar to Amsterdam, the style the facility is all the same.
dieter,
You could be at the place nearly the same one at LA.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dieter
[i]Ahh, the Korean barbershops. What a great invention. I've only been there a few times, but I wish we could import something like that to the US.
Cold towel wipe on your face and feet when it's hot out, warm towel when it's cold. Massage and shave in the barber chair, HJ & cleanup and then a 30 minute nap. What a great way to spend your lunch hour.
(sighing in memory)
dieter [/i][/QUOTE]
yaoming,
hahaha... the story you've heard about the barbershop is just a 'story'. Not a real one. So don't worry about it.
And it's not important though...
The number 588 is not from bus routing, but from the address. We surely have the bus numbered 588 but it goes another places.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yaoming
[i]rabbit906:
what up man. RLD is an abbreviation for red light districts. The most notorious one is Seoul is a district called 588. In Korean it is pronounced oh pal pal (numberical phonation for 5-8-8) The name is derived from the bus that runs along chungryangri in Seoul. Korea has a numerical division of buses based on its routes. You can say oh pal pal to any cab driver and he'll understand you. I don't know how white people are treated these days with all the vent up anti-american sentiments, but from what I understand, this should not be a problem. A even more white-friendly (I'm assuming you are white) place is a RLD called texas miari. Barber shops are a littel cheap with nastier women, but if you are pressed for time and money, I guess is worth a try. But be careful though, I heard of a Korean friend who visited a barber shop and was forced to wear a blind-fold. While he was getting a hj, he peaked to see who is performing. He was shocked to find the barber reading a newspaper with one hand while the other one was busily jacking his tool. Oh yeah. the price in RLD is very similar to Amsterdam, the style the facility is all the same. [/i][/QUOTE]
reminds me of the time i was at the barbershop and peeked from under the towel to watch the women giving me a hj, or so i thought. turned out to be the barber stroking away. he said, “sorry, all the women are busy.”
the thread about cuming in korean women’s mouths is interesting. i think it is just a matter of taste, but i think korean women like giving bjs. there once was a chinese-korean at yongsan who could suck chrome off a bumper, and loved to swallow every drop. sure miss her. had a korean girlfriend who thought that by swallowing you could learn to speak english better. had a few women take it in the mouth, but spit it out. all in all, i’ve only been told by one woman she wouldn’t do a bj. my present girlfriend will only suck when she is not in the mood for sex, but only for a few minutes. she detests the smell of semen. that’s better than the korean woman i met in hawaii. after a few dates, she asked if i wanted a bj, but spit the semen in my mouth after i came in hers.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by daniel_you
[i]dieter,
You could be at the place nearly the same one at LA.
Daniel [/i][/QUOTE]
Daniel,
Where is there one in LA? Not an AMP, but a real Korean barbershop? Please, please, please!!
dieter
I will be traveling to Seoul sometime in March. I am wondering if any of you can suggest or even recommend some good barbershops for fs with a young woman, preferably under 30 or younger the better. Any other leads, outside of the barbershop, would be appreciated, too. Thanks in advance.
Have a couple of questions about the business practices in South Korea. I have heard that it is not uncommon that business partners are invited along to men's clubs and treated the service available.
1. If you are offered this and accept it, will it then be considered that you owe the host anything?
2. If you politely say no thanks, will that be regarded as unpolite or worse?
I am going to Korea in a week to negotiate some contracts for the first time and just thought I'd be prepared for "anything"...
photoman
Laugh-out-loud (LOL) report! I really enjoyed your one-liners !
However, assuming your Hawaii girl friend was real... 1st you cum in her mouth, and 2nd she spits it back into your mouth is called "snow-balling" here in the USA... and Hawaii is our 50th state. Welcome to the USA... and, hopefully it wasn't as salty as most GFE's report.
Keep your power dry.
one final question, hotels in Seoul (should i stay in Itaewon?, or out of town)... where best to stay to ensure close to action? say hotels in the +US$100 a night plus range (not backpacking)... thanks guys.
I have become very partial to Bukchang-dong as a fun destination for a little bit (okay, a lot) more than Itaewon. Obviously, since I don't have W3,000,000 to throw around every night like our friend "assetman" from Lone Star, yes, I'm a worthless piece of shit -- but I can say that Bukchang-dong can be a very enjoyable night out.
My last excursion was with a single running-mate, another Korean-speaking white guy. We hit my favorite place in Bukchang-dong around 11:00 p.m. with bellies full of kalbi and beer, smiles on our faces and stiff pricks at attention. Partly this was due to having downed a Vitamin V with dinner, but partly due to anticipation of a great time.
Bukchang-dong is the wildest "KTV" karaoke-style district in Korea that I've found yet. If there is another drinking-and-stripping-and-blowjob-or-fuck-in-the-room-with-your-friends area, let me know. I really like it.
This last time, my female partner sat on my face during the "introduction", grinding her pussy into my tongue, and it just got wilder from there. Standing blowjob while singing, fuck on the table, spreading ass cheeks for a gyno show, 69, round-robin partner swap, etc. We retired to a hotel for a four-way fuckfest.
Anybody else for this send e-mail to [email]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email]. Helps if you're youngish, good looking, speak Korean, and are willing to spend W500-600,000.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Liondale
[i]Have a couple of questions about the business practices in South Korea. I have heard that it is not uncommon that business partners are invited along to men's clubs and treated the service available.
1. If you are offered this and accept it, will it then be considered that you owe the host anything?
2. If you politely say no thanks, will that be regarded as unpolite or worse?
I am going to Korea in a week to negotiate some contracts for the first time and just thought I'd be prepared for "anything"... [/i][/QUOTE]
Hi Liondale,
Go to Seoul and enjoy dinner and drink. Prepare to taste the famous Soju. It can kill you at the end.
If this is the first time in Seoul and your partners know it, you will be treated like a King. But don't take any offer regarding girl or sex. You will own them something and they know that you like it. It's not a kind of black mail but ...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by teazian
[i]Hi Liondale,
Go to Seoul and enjoy dinner and drink. Prepare to taste the famous Soju. It can kill you at the end.
If this is the first time in Seoul and your partners know it, you will be treated like a King. But don't take any offer regarding girl or sex. You will own them something and they know that you like it. It's not a kind of black mail but ... [/i][/QUOTE]
Thanks for the advice!
I'll keep it in mind. Guess I'll have to find a night on my own to venture out then :)
Great tips on this board to follow! Thanks all that provide the information.
Liondale:
I would like to offer an alternative view on your business partners offer for a night out. My recommendation would be to go to the buisness club and enjoy the night there and pass on taking the girl back to your hotel. This way, you can enjoy the time with your business partners and at the same time show "self control" (important in Korean culture) by not taking the girl out. You can simply say that you are "tired" at the conclusion of the evening. Most times, your host may not even offer the girl to go back with you during the first visit to the club because they too know that some westerners may take offense to being offered a "hooker".
Go with the flow without seeming anxious or overly horny. When going to nice place, don't pay too much attention to the girl, this again will show your hosts you have not forgotten them. Try to strike a balance between host and girl.
I have been in your position countless times for last 10 years. If you are offered, take it (at least in the club). This is relationship building.
Hi Love Taipei,
What you say makes sense. I think it will be my plan to follow should I end in such a situation. Thanks for sharing.
Makes me even more certain that I need a night "off" on my own to pursue some girls. Do you have any immediate places to recommend to a guy who has an expense account with reasonable limits?
I am Korean but have grown up in Europe so I don't speak a word Korean...
Just saying this as I may not get access to "whity" places - happened to me in Beijing :) Can you believe the irony - me going back to Asia and experiencing racism for the first time in my life :) Hah!!!
dieter,
Not that many as Seoul, but in Korea Town, eps on Wilshire, Olympic Blvd, you could find some.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by dieter
[i]Daniel,
Where is there one in LA? Not an AMP, but a real Korean barbershop? Please, please, please!!
dieter [/i][/QUOTE]
chaps
I must have come to seoul at the wrong time! what with the new year and the weather... ain't no one around!
officially here to see the folks... so, staying out all night or bringing a girl back here are definite no-no's... any suggestions for more clandestine action?? some of the saunas or massages sounds interesting.
reading the prices that have been quoted in this forum...phew... certainly a shock to the system coming over from beijing! 200-300US is definitely the top end there...but it seems it's just the starting prices here!
any info. would be much appreciated. don't speak any korean either...
cheers!
SeoulSurvivor,
Lol, just for the record - I'm not with the Lone Star Fund. Just having a little fun at the expense of a pal of mine.
Also, since you seem to be the best source for info on unconventional / lowscale women & establishments (no offense, lol) - any good info on Filipina takeout (all nighter) in the Seoul area? Above mentioned buddy prefers LBFM love and is gagging for a Flip. Willing to pay top dollar if quality is right. I personally don't understand his preference for Orangutans (which I think Flips generally resemble) but to each his own...
Any info much appreciated and will be rewarded with (insert preferred reward).
assetman
Seoul survivor
great post on "Fuck Fest in Bukchang-dong".
Am in Seoul rignt now. Might be a very short notice but would be ready for an outing there tonight if you are available.
If not no problem. Could you just explain how to get there ? Would they accept foreigners if not with korean friends ?
How much should we expect to pay all in all ?
Thanks for your infos.
Wolf
Love Taipei,
I guess you're an expert!
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Love Taipei
[i]Liondale:
I would like to offer an alternative view on your business partners offer for a night out. My recommendation would be to go to the buisness club and enjoy the night there and pass on taking the girl back to your hotel. This way, you can enjoy the time with your business partners and at the same time show "self control" (important in Korean culture) by not taking the girl out. You can simply say that you are "tired" at the conclusion of the evening. Most times, your host may not even offer the girl to go back with you during the first visit to the club because they too know that some westerners may take offense to being offered a "hooker".
Go with the flow without seeming anxious or overly horny. When going to nice place, don't pay too much attention to the girl, this again will show your hosts you have not forgotten them. Try to strike a balance between host and girl.
I have been in your position countless times for last 10 years. If you are offered, take it (at least in the club). This is relationship building. [/i][/QUOTE]
Wolf,
Send me an email with your contact number in Seoul to :
daniel_you@yahoo.com
I will help you.
Anyway, I am not commercialized for this matter.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wolf
[i]Seoul survivor
great post on "Fuck Fest in Bukchang-dong".
Am in Seoul rignt now. Might be a very short notice but would be ready for an outing there tonight if you are available.
If not no problem. Could you just explain how to get there ? Would they accept foreigners if not with korean friends ?
How much should we expect to pay all in all ?
Thanks for your infos.
Wolf [/i][/QUOTE]
Have [b]NO[/b] idea on Filipinas, except that certain clubs in Itaewon (you know, [i]where the low-grade foreigners hang around[/i]) seem to stock more than a handful. I think the King Club, Rio Club, and some other thing that supposedly looks like a vulva are your best bets. They're not my cup of tea either.
Uijongbu, Tongduchon, and Songtan seem to be the places where the most Filipinas are found working in bars. But essentially, why not fly down to the P.I.?
If he wants to mack on some factory workers, who are often quite cute, go to Daehang-no on Sundays. That's Filipino Central.
I know what my problem is (no time) but what the hell is wrong with your friend?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by assetman
[i]...any good info on Filipina takeout (all nighter) in the Seoul area? Above mentioned buddy prefers LBFM love and is gagging for a Flip. Willing to pay top dollar if quality is right. I personally don't understand his preference for Orangutans (which I think Flips generally resemble) but to each his own...
assetman[/i][/QUOTE]
Wolf,
Bukchang-dong is behind the Seoul Plaza Hotel near City Hall. As a rule, yes, they all accept foreigners unaccompanied by Korean friends. But language is often a problem. The club is fine with you, but the interaction (and also, the action) between you and your partner is restricted if you don't speak Korean. You can ask if they have English speakers. Sometimes there are some really well-educated girls working in that neighborhood.
Go to the club called "Shalotte" (it's on the south side of the main strip, heading toward Namdaemun, and on the left hand side) and ask for Mr. Lee Min. He's a Korean-German and speaks English very well. He'll also find exactly the right girl for whatever it is you need. I don't know if that club has English-speaking girls or not.
I think I'm on the loose Friday night if anybody wants to put together a run.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Wolf
[i]great post on "Fuck Fest in Bukchang-dong"
Could you just explain how to get there ? Would they accept foreigners if not with korean friends ?
How much should we expect to pay all in all ?
Thanks for your infos.
Wolf [/i][/QUOTE]
Best Bet for Filipina is to find one who sings at one of the hotels or clubs, break them away from group and try and establish a repor. They are sluts rather than *****s so you may be better or protection wise. You have to invest some time though and eventually money. It depends what you are after.
SeoulSurvivor,
Thanks a lot for the info.
Unfortunately, my business is keeping me away from the fun (I am still at the office and it is 22h00...) and I shall be away by Friday.
Anyway, thanks. Maybe next time we could hit the streets together. I am back by last week of Feb.
Wolf
Hey guys,
I've been reading a lot of interesting things in this forum and had one particular question about which i was hoping to find some answers.
I was wondering how much was the most amount of money you had to pay in an RLD? i was expecting that RLDs would be cheap, but one girl who was about a "B" asked for 180,000 won for 1 hour and 120,000 for 30 minutes. Was this a rip-off? I mean, have you been asked to shell out this much in RLDs like Yongsan or 588? Also, do the quality of the girls affect the price you have to pay or does it vary from individual girl to girl? Do certain areas charge more, like, for example, the main street girls in 588 or the A row girls in Yongsan charge more than the other area girls?
I would just like to know if 180,000 won was a ripoff or not. Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulBlade
[i]Hey guys,
I've been reading a lot of interesting things in this forum and had one particular question about which i was hoping to find some answers.
I was wondering how much was the most amount of money you had to pay in an RLD? i was expecting that RLDs would be cheap, but one girl who was about a "B" asked for 180,000 won for 1 hour and 120,000 for 30 minutes. Was this a rip-off? I mean, have you been asked to shell out this much in RLDs like Yongsan or 588? Also, do the quality of the girls affect the price you have to pay or does it vary from individual girl to girl? Do certain areas charge more, like, for example, the main street girls in 588 or the A row girls in Yongsan charge more than the other area girls?
I would just like to know if 180,000 won was a ripoff or not. Thanks in advance. [/i][/QUOTE]
Damn straignt! You're were shafted dude! Unless prices have gone up since the summer, but I doubt it. I heard the anti-American thing was affecting prices a bit, but supposedly things have calmed down since the New Years...
seoulblade:
Well based on the time limit of 1 hour, I would say that it is a fair price. That is of course, if you are using that full 1 hour span. RLD like 588 generally cost like 60000 for 15 min.
just wondering what the story is with the coffee shops.Theres one near me that is located on a corner down in the basement. Went in their this evening..2 sluttish looking girls in their mid twenties aswell as a few middle aged men drinking coffe and smoking...
the girls were pretty hot although it was obvious nothing could happen in the place itself..openplan with no isolated booths or anything..however i am almost certain these girls provided more than coffee...can u only get the extras on a call out basis?and if so..how does it work?prices/ettiquette etc..?
any advice/experiences..most appreciated...
also just wondering what the regualars here would reccomend for 200,000..if u had 200,000 won right now, where would u go to spend it??
cheers
paddy
SeoulSurvivor: About Bukchan-dong, if I go there alone, how much do I have to fork out to have fun with a girl in the room, like singing, groping, etc., and how much more if I want to take her back to my hotel? I just don't want to be ripped off, which has happend more than I like. When I in Seoul next month, I would give Shalotte a try. Any instructions? Thanks for your help in advance.
Paddy23: Where is that coffeeshop at? That sounds fun to pick up some chicks for the night at a coffeeshop.
I would be visiting Seoul in March. Thanks.
Chaps,
Been here for a week and ... amazing women! but damn! is it expensive! luckily, i have had local koreans to show me around and being the perfect hosts... have paid for everything... i don't know whether this helps....
Just came back from a "women" salon where the women were top notch and had a great time there... it's called iris in yeoksam-dong... south of the river...and a little past agpujeoung...
Unfortunately, will be leaving on sunday... can't wait to get back!
Paddy23:
E-mail me at ssurv@hotmail.com with the name and location of your coffee shop. I'll go on a reconnoiter, fuck the girls if possible, and come back with a nice report.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]just wondering what the story is with the coffee shops.Theres one near me that is located on a corner down in the basement. Went in their this evening..2 sluttish looking girls in their mid twenties aswell as a few middle aged men drinking coffe and smoking...[/i][/QUOTE]
Hi all,
This may be a somewhat strange post, but I would love to get some suggestions from you all.
I'm a North American female in Seoul. My partner is a Korean male. He has been wonderful enough to arrange to fulfill my fantasy of being with two men. Now I want to return the favour and give him the experience of being with me and another woman. I'm being a little selfish here, as I'm also bi-curious.
However, I would feel more comfortable if our threesome partner were a pro - something about it being business for her rather than forming any kind of emotional attachment to either one of us.
Any ideas where we could arrange this kind of thing? It doesn't really matter to me if she were Korean, Russian ........
We've thought about going to a yogwan and ordering coffee from one of those coffee delivery girls.....what are the chances of the girl freaking out to find a foreign woman in the room?
Any other ideas?
Thanks so much,
sweetrumrunner
Sweetrunrunner,
To find a girl who eagerly do threesome would take time, although we sometimes meet a girl who wants her sexual fantasy through threesome.
Coffee delivery girls are not much likely to attend threesome party unless she's been compensated LOTS of money.
How about finding Russian? They would usually want double the prices, but avaiable, I guess.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sweetrumrunner
[i]Hi all,
This may be a somewhat strange post, but I would love to get some suggestions from you all.
I'm a North American female in Seoul. My partner is a Korean male. He has been wonderful enough to arrange to fulfill my fantasy of being with two men. Now I want to return the favour and give him the experience of being with me and another woman. I'm being a little selfish here, as I'm also bi-curious.
However, I would feel more comfortable if our threesome partner were a pro - something about it being business for her rather than forming any kind of emotional attachment to either one of us.
Any ideas where we could arrange this kind of thing? It doesn't really matter to me if she were Korean, Russian ........
We've thought about going to a yogwan and ordering coffee from one of those coffee delivery girls.....what are the chances of the girl freaking out to find a foreign woman in the room?
Any other ideas?
Thanks so much,
sweetrumrunner [/i][/QUOTE]
joeyt,
Iris is a room salon in Kangnam, Seoul and very expensive one.
Hope you have enjoyed it!
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by joeyt
[i]Chaps,
Been here for a week and ... amazing women! but damn! is it expensive! luckily, i have had local koreans to show me around and being the perfect hosts... have paid for everything... i don't know whether this helps....
Just came back from a "women" salon where the women were top notch and had a great time there... it's called iris in yeoksam-dong... south of the river...and a little past agpujeoung...
Unfortunately, will be leaving on sunday... can't wait to get back! [/i][/QUOTE]
Amateur,
Expect to spend at least KRW 400k when you go there alone. When two go, the price will go up to 600k for two, thus per person you would spend 300k.
Bring her to your hotel. Well, girls don't want to do that in general, but when you bet much money or when the girl likes you, then it's possible.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amateur
[i]SeoulSurvivor: About Bukchan-dong, if I go there alone, how much do I have to fork out to have fun with a girl in the room, like singing, groping, etc., and how much more if I want to take her back to my hotel? I just don't want to be ripped off, which has happend more than I like. When I in Seoul next month, I would give Shalotte a try. Any instructions? Thanks for your help in advance.
Paddy23: Where is that coffeeshop at? That sounds fun to pick up some chicks for the night at a coffeeshop.
I would be visiting Seoul in March. Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
paddy23,
In Seoul metropolitan area, you can hardly find a coffeeshop that would sell the sex-service. Sex-service in or from coffeeshop is only possible in a remote town or in a small port-town where the economy is not capable of feeding big RLD streets or systemized prostitution.
With KRW200,000, well, it depends, but I would go to a Turkish bath.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]just wondering what the story is with the coffee shops.Theres one near me that is located on a corner down in the basement. Went in their this evening..2 sluttish looking girls in their mid twenties aswell as a few middle aged men drinking coffe and smoking...
the girls were pretty hot although it was obvious nothing could happen in the place itself..openplan with no isolated booths or anything..however i am almost certain these girls provided more than coffee...can u only get the extras on a call out basis?and if so..how does it work?prices/ettiquette etc..?
any advice/experiences..most appreciated...
also just wondering what the regualars here would reccomend for 200,000..if u had 200,000 won right now, where would u go to spend it??
cheers
paddy [/i][/QUOTE]
Sweetrumrunner:
Keep in mind that Koreans are generally homophobic, it is a stretch for most Korean (even pros) girls to help you satisfy your bi-curious idea although there would be enough of them who would not mind you watching your boyfriend enjoy her.
I would suggest that your boyfriend visit a few room salons or other places where Korean professional girls work and broach the subject with them. In general, many Korean girls are curious about sex witn foreign men (I have been a beneficiary) but it will be an extra step to engage sexually with you, especially with a Korean male watching. It will help if your boyfriend is not too much older than the girl. This will help her keep our face.
Not to be judgemental but if your Korean boyfriend openly allows to engage in sex with another man in his plain view, I question his intentions toward you. I only make this comment based upon your desire not to have him form an emotional attachment with the girl.
Having lived in Korea for some years, Korean men do not take to their women being had by another man.
I can check with some of the girls I know to see if they may be interested. Did you have any particualr bueget in mind for their activity?
Best Regards
Love Taipei
Thanks for your reply. I've lived in Korea for 7 years, so I'm well aware of the degree of homophobia here. Ironically, when I've gone to the gay hill in Itaewon, most women will also stay away as they are looking for partners, not just to be some bi-curious woman's experiment. :-)
My relationship with my partner is an extremely loving, secure one. He is not typically Korean - In fact he's 7 years younger than I, a jazz musician, extremely well-travelled and has been living with me in plain view of his family - who are incredibly accepting.
The threesome was a one-time fulfillment of a fantasy I had.(3 years ago)
Now, I would like to do the same for him. My wanting a pro has more to do with my own "female" jealousy than with the state of the relationship. In fact, if I didn't feel secure, I don't think I could even contemplate doing this. I appreciate your concern though. :-)
In terms of budget, as this would be a one-off experience and not a regular hobby, I would be willing to shell out more than might be "usual". I totally understand how reluctant Korean girls would be though. I've thought Russian but have no idea about how to even go about meeting, let alone propostioning one. I was at the King's club with friends on Saturday night, and considered approaching one of the dancing girls they have there, but was afraid of mistaking them for something they're not.
Any thoughts?
Thanks again for your kind reply.
Take care
New to Seoul and have spent the majority of my time in Itaewon. The girls are 'the hill' are pretty good. Some are real skanks. Especially at the very bottom. However, there are many cute ones. Kind of pricey but I like the area. I've heard that due to the recent rise in anti-American sentiment it is difficult for white guys to get accepted in other areas like Gireum or even Yongsan.
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with Russian girls in Itaewan? Do you know which bar the working girls go to? I've heard varying stories. One girl on the hill told me that Russian girls are very cheap, but I've also heard that they are only interested in Korean and Japanese business men because they have more $$$$$.
If you could give me any info on location and $$$ it would be appreciated.
I have a girlfriend who would absolutely be up for this, if you're attractive to her. But what's in in for me? Sending her off for a threesome is no fun. A foursome, on the other hand...
[url="mailto:ssurv@hotmail.com"]ssurv@hotmail.com[/url]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by sweetrumrunner
[i]Now I want to return the favour and give him the experience of being with me and another woman. I'm being a little selfish here, as I'm also bi-curious.
However, I would feel more comfortable if our threesome partner were a pro - something about it being business for her rather than forming any kind of emotional attachment to either one of us.[/i][/QUOTE]
hey daniel_you
you certainly know your stuff! i didn't pay so i don't how expensive it was... but it was certainly a worthwhile experience!
itching to go back soon! picked up 14-15 phone numbers of chicks along my travels during the past few days... can't wait to put that to good use.
Ok Guys
I have 3 weeks in Seoul! What suggestions?
I'm in the Mayfield out by Gimpo airport. Any local haunts I can hit or do I need to go downtown?
Do I have any chance of getting a girl via the concierge, as in other parts of SE Asia?
Anyone in country who might want to go on an expedition?
Cheers
Hey, some pretty interesting posts since I last came on here. Nice to see some sexual diversity being discussed.
I've been a vocal supporter of the Steam/Turkey/etc Baths in the past and wonder if anyone has any experience at the Hamilton Hotel. I had a nice encounter there but I am well aware that these places can be a bit inconsistent. Anyone else have a nice experience at the Hamilton in terms of quality of girl (physical), attitude of girl and overall service quality?
Is it safe for an american to fly into seoul now? Seoul is near the boarder, and I heard the nuke talk up north is getting tense. I was planning a trip during late march/early april. Would anyone recommend going now?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by monkeyboi
[i]Is it safe for an american to fly into seoul now? Seoul is near the boarder, and I heard the nuke talk up north is getting tense. I was planning a trip during late march/early april. Would anyone recommend going now? [/i][/QUOTE]
Seoul is near the border, but there's no chance of a war anytime soon. I don't even think that there will be a war.
As far as it being safe for an American or any Caucasian, I don't see any problems. Anti-American (I'd really sum it up as anti-foreigner) sentiment is quite high, as it’s always been, but it has become more visible in light of the recent acquittals of the two USFK soldiers. There have been a few incidents and lots and lots of protests. But then there have been a lot of pro-US protests recently too (to my surprise as these groups aren’t so vocal).
Basically, it comes in peaks and valleys. It peaked in late December, but now seems to be ebbing a bit (after foreign businesses threatened to withdraw their investments from South Korea) and things are quieter, though there’s still tension.
Another thing: Moodys just downgraded their rating on South Korea. I don’t think that’s going to go too well over there.
So, are you going to go to Korea for sex? My advice: [b]DON’T[/b]. Thailand and the Philippines are much cheaper and better. Even Mainland China is pretty good. Korea might be the worst place in Asia for sex.
monkeyboi:
I wouldn't worry too much about safety for Americans in Korea right now. Yeah, there are protests in Korea, but where in the world right now can you not find anti-american protests. I guess they have a valid reason for protest since their lives and their children's lives depend on it. We talk about not caving into N. Korea's brinkmanship and we see this as a logical proposal, but would anyone bet their lives or their children's lives on it. If your children are hostage to some kidnapper, you would probably be tempted to pay off the kidnappers even though you might be advised not to by the police. I see Korean's reaction to America's hardline policy as something natural and reasonable. I believe any country under that kind of scenerio would be forced to react the way they do against a despotic neighbor. I don't think the protest are genuinely anti-american, they are simply a demonstration that trys to safeguard their livelihood. It's not something that is directly targeted for Americans, so don't worry too much about it man.
the protests on the streets about the two middle school girls who were killed by the humvee or whatever it was aren't vicious. they are quite peaceful in fact. i saw how 60 minutes did a part of their programe on the demonstrations, because of the headlines generated around the world. it seems like there was bigger and better coverage of the whole thing by the rest of the world's newspapers than there was by any korean newspaper. a lot of the protestors were young school children the same age as the two girls who were killed. now that age group doesn't normaly get involved in demonstrations, so i'm assuming they were put up to it by either their parents or their school teachers.
a lot of the older demonstraters though are disenfranchised koreans. there are a lot of unemployed college graduates these days, and it has been reported that they have been using the demonstrations to vent their frustrations at not being able to find work. there are a lot of minor small jobs available, but the prevailing mindset is to not work at all if you can't find the right job. this frustrates people more, because i'm sure many would do the minor jobs, but just can't find the strength to go against what their peers consider the best option.
the accident was also sensationalized, because somebody got a photograph of the girls lying dissembowled on the road, before they were covered, and these photographs were shown all over korea. the photographs actually showed the intestines of one girl spread on the road beside her.
The following is not intended as a diary, but rather a description of events that perhaps some of our Senior Members can comment-on to help future travelers “communicate” with their Korean hosts, and failing-that, provide instructions on how to set-out on your own.
I just returned from my first business trip to Korea. My plan was to visit “Green Street” in Pusan (SargeRock post), and “Club Shalotte” in Seoul (SeoulSurvivor Post). Unfortunately, I did not make the travel arrangements and we wound-up staying in Gyeongju rather than Pusan, and in New Seoul rather than Old Seoul… and for newcomers, Seoul traffic is worse than Manhattan so a taxis from New Seoul to Old Seoul could take 20-40 minutes, depending upon the time of day.
In Gyeongju, we were with our Korean hosts most of the time and did not have an opportunity to find any “action” on our own. We hinted to our host that we would welcome some “Korean entertainment”… so they took us to traditional tourists sites (Beaknyulsa Temple and Tomuti Park, etc… no pussy). There was a karaoke club in the hotel, but the Korean doorman advised that it was “very expensive”. I believe he was telling us that the girls did not speak English… so if we did not speak Korean, forget it… we did.
In Seoul we again questioned our Korean hosts regarding “Korean Barber Shops”, for example why do some barbershops have 2-barber poles vs. 1-barber pole (as explained on a recent post). They said it was just additional advertising and had no special meaning. They acknowledged that some barbershops have “entertainment”, but they did not know which ones. They also acknowledged that some Karaoke clubs had “entertainment”, where you could pay a girl to “sit-with-you”… but, I didn’t want a girl to sit-with-me; I wanted a girl to “sit-on-my-face” (still a communication problem). We again hinted that we would welcome some traditional Korean entertainment with women… so they took us to the Sheraton Hotel, which has a Las Vegas type show with bare-breasted women. Great show… but again, no pussy. Accordingly, we (two Americans) setout on our own… without a Korean host and without any knowledge of the Korean language.
We asked the hotel doorman where we could find some “entertainment”, and he sent us to the Hard Rock Café (I assumed that the Seoul Hard Rock would be similar to the Shanghai Hard Rock). However, if there was “action” at the Korean Hard Rock, we didn’t see it… but as we were leaving, we noticed a 2-pole barbershop across the street that was still open at mid-night. Our instincts told us that this was our best shot.
Upon entering the establishment, we instantly realized that this was “da-place”. No English on their-side and no Korean on our-side, but we managed to strike a deal… we weren’t quite sure what we purchased, but assumed the price (90,000 won) included pussy. Previous posts stated that 60,000 won was the going-rate, but since this was our last night and Korea and it was late, we accepted the price. There were two girls, a “9” and a “7”… unfortunately, it was my turn to play “wing-man” so I wound-up with the “7”, but as I learned later, she made-up for it in other ways. We had no idea what the barbershop routine was, so I’ll include the following for the benefit for future travelers.
First I was taken to a room with only pull-curtains where I placed my clothes in a locked locker and put on a pair of terry cloth shorts. Then, I was placed in a barber chair where the masseuse washed my feet and massaged my arms… still not sure if I’m going to get any pussy. Next she took me to another room where the masseuse and I both dis-robed… things are looking-up, but still not sure if I’m getting a HJ, BJ or what. The “or what” turned our to be a Thai body-slide followed by a CBJ and FS with multiple positions… cowgirl, missionary, and doggie. All-in-all a very, very pleasant experience… the best Valentine’s Day present I have ever purchased for myself.
On the way back to our hotel, we noticed that there were several (multiple) 2-pole barbershops near our hotel… still open at 2 AM. Perhaps some of our Senior Members can add to this report and fully explain the barbershop routine for the benefit of future travelers seeking to enjoy Korea to its fullest.
Excellent report, BenDover! First off, Manhattan traffic is not that bad! I can name at least five US cities with much worse traffic (LA, Atlanta, Seattle, Houston, Miami, Phoenix…to name a few). You are right that Seoul traffic is absolutely atrocious.
I never tried barber shops when I was in Korea, so I can’t comment on them, but I can comment on your Korean hosts’ “feigned amnesia” when it comes to paid sex locales. Every Korean guy I know is intimately familiar with the sex trade; they brag about it. BUT a lot of Korean guys don’t like sharing their “goods” with Westerners. I’d assume it’s a lot worse now with increased anti-American sentiment. I experienced the “run-around” when I was there too, and this was from supposed “friends”.
However, when you do have an honest Korean host, the world, as they say, “is your oyster”. Some will go out of their way to make sure you *ahem* enjoy yourself. But sadly, these guys number in few.
You’re still lucky to have gotten some action where you did and I don’t think 90,000won is as bad these days as people make it out to be, though it’s always good to haggle for less.
bendover57:
you might have been mislead by some stories where the host of the Korean company serviced their buisness guest with extravagant room salon and other entertainment luxuries. Remember that it took some time before they bonded and freely talked about some of these sexual taboos with their clients. I can't imagine mentioning these places to your buisness guestsy. They probably thought it would be rude to mention these places to you guys. I disagree with stud_lee in that your Korean hosts purposely kept these things away from you because you are a foreigner. They probably were to embarrassed to talk about these things to strangers.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by yaoming
[i]bendover57:
you might have been mislead by some stories where the host of the Korean company serviced their buisness guest with extravagant room salon and other entertainment luxuries. Remember that it took some time before they bonded and freely talked about some of these sexual taboos with their clients. I can't imagine mentioning these places to your buisness guestsy. They probably thought it would be rude to mention these places to you guys. I disagree with stud_lee in that your Korean hosts purposely kept these things away from you because you are a foreigner. They probably were to embarrassed to talk about these things to strangers. [/i][/QUOTE]
While it may be true that this guy's hosts were a bit embarrassed about these topics around the likes of “strangers”, a lot of Korean men I consider “friends” go out of their way to dissuade me from going after Korean women. I know I’m not the only “foreigner” with this experience.
Furthermore, a lot of Koreans I talk to boast about how they like to treat their business guests to “pleasure” and a “good time”. It’s a big thing and part of Korean business culture; why would so many of these places be charging the prices they do if this was not the case? A good friend of mine (a genuinely nice Korean guy) tells me “treating” your business colleagues is nothing out of the ordinary...even if they’re “strangers”. Sadly, I was never on the receiving end of such hospitality, at least on my business ventures, but I wouldn’t doubt that it exists. Maybe it depends on who you are?
Bendover,
Excellent report!
As a native Korean, I feel I have to comment something on your report, though.
You might have some 'communication problem' with your clients. The word 'entertainment' means, to usual Koreans, just 'entertainment thru music, dance, etc'.
We have learnt, for all of our school days, that WESTERNERS DON'T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS ON THE BASIS OF MONEY. Now, I know it's not true, but still many Koreans believe so.
Furthermore, and frankly, room salon will cost lots and lots of money, so you need to make them (your Korean counterparts) convinced in their getting the benefits when they spend lots of money for you.
Anyway, your venture to a barborshop was a great one, I have to say.
Daniel
Bendover, what you have experienced is pretty typical experience at barbershops from my own experience and what I have heard here. My first ever experience at one barbershop for KW60,000 was just handjob but she asked me if I wanted oral. As novice and little nervous as I was, I left the decision up to her and she did oral on me and let me cum in her mouth, which was very satisfying. Few other times, I also paid the same price at different place than the first for handjob only. Third place I ever visited said KW 90,000 for fs so I took it. Your routine was same as mine, led to a little cubicle with pull-curtain and undress, lock your belongings and changed into a pajama like pants and wait; a woman comes to you but with dim lights and without my glasses, I can't tell her looks immediately until my eyes adjust and she come close enough. She first washes your feet; ask you to lie on your stomach as she massages for 5-10 minutes. Then, she asks you to follow her to a very dark corner and she uses remote button to open a door leading to an alley and she closes the door behind as after we entered. At the end of the alley, there are small cubicles with massage table with water faucet. She asks you to get naked as she gets naked. Once inside, she locks the door and she washes you down. When you lie down, she performs cbj and rides you like there is no tomorrow and then any position of your choice to finish off.
My only complain is I wish I can find barbershops where there are younger women, instead of 30 somethings.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by daniel_you
[i]We have learnt, for all of our school days, that WESTERNERS DON'T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS ON THE BASIS OF MONEY. Now, I know it's not true, but still many Koreans believe so.
[/i][/QUOTE]
Is that true??? Wow! I didn't know that!
Daniel,
You wrote: we learnt, for all of our school days, that WESTERNERS DON'T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS ON THE BASIS OF MONEY. (Shout it out, brother!)
This is was actually a part of the curriculum?! Or was it a response to an inquisitive kid asking "what's with all these women standing behind windows?" and "why do some barber shops have two poles and others only have one?"?
As korea invented international sex tourism (Japanese men) and also international baby selling (western couples), making money on both the "deposit" and "withdrawal", I guess the business model of the sex trade is/was important to study.
I've had the gut busting pleasure of reading some of the bizarro-world "facts" published in some of the text books, but haven't run across the sexual behavior of westerners, yet. Intel of the title would be appreciated.
All,
Camp Towns: Not appropriate to the seoul section, but there have been previous posts about them here. Was speaking to a club owner beside CP Howze (highway 1, just south of bongilchun, about a dozen clubs) who reported that bringing Russians and Filipinas into korea is now more difficult, and moving them along the CP Casey/CP Hovey, CP Red Cloud, CP Howze, Songtan (Osan AB), CP Humphreys circuit is almost impossible. Clubs depend on this circuit to keep rotating "new" girls in and keep customer interest, but now the clubs can no longer do so. A girl staying at a club for a long while develops a relationship with a soldier, he provides financial support, she doesn't go with any more customers, and the business dies. Enjoy seeing the advantage to the girl rather than the old hag behind the bar, but I am a customer with slimmer pickings now :-( And yes, I am a hypocrite ;-)
Not in official national curriculum, of course, but this is exactly I was taught from my childhood.
My teachers told me that 'There's no 'under-the-table-money' in western, advanced countries'. I don't know how we find the English word 'under-the-table-money', though.
When I got a job, my seniors told me 'By offering sexual service, westerners could change the deal terms not in a single dollar'.
Anyway, this is what exactly I was told and taught.
And hutsori, do you really think Koreans INVENTED sex tourism for Japanese? IMHO, it was invented by Japanese themselves. What do you think?
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by hutsori
[i]Daniel,
You wrote: we learnt, for all of our school days, that WESTERNERS DON'T LIKE TO HAVE SEXUAL RELATIONSHIPS ON THE BASIS OF MONEY. (Shout it out, brother!)
This is was actually a part of the curriculum?! Or was it a response to an inquisitive kid asking "what's with all these women standing behind windows?" and "why do some barber shops have two poles and others only have one?"?
As korea invented international sex tourism (Japanese men) and also international baby selling (western couples), making money on both the "deposit" and "withdrawal", I guess the business model of the sex trade is/was important to study.
I've had the gut busting pleasure of reading some of the bizarro-world "facts" published in some of the text books, but haven't run across the sexual behavior of westerners, yet. Intel of the title would be appreciated.
All,
Camp Towns: Not appropriate to the seoul section, but there have been previous posts about them here. Was speaking to a club owner beside CP Howze (highway 1, just south of bongilchun, about a dozen clubs) who reported that bringing Russians and Filipinas into korea is now more difficult, and moving them along the CP Casey/CP Hovey, CP Red Cloud, CP Howze, Songtan (Osan AB), CP Humphreys circuit is almost impossible. Clubs depend on this circuit to keep rotating "new" girls in and keep customer interest, but now the clubs can no longer do so. A girl staying at a club for a long while develops a relationship with a soldier, he provides financial support, she doesn't go with any more customers, and the business dies. Enjoy seeing the advantage to the girl rather than the old hag behind the bar, but I am a customer with slimmer pickings now :-( And yes, I am a hypocrite ;-) [/i][/QUOTE]
Daniel,
Sounds like your teachers weren't too knowledgeable; naive at best. Strange that they garner so much respect. Your business mentors got it spot on.
Words to describe under-the-table money: bribe, kickback, influence peddling. The word rebate is incorrectly used by koreans to describe a kickback. These are what put korea's past presidents, their family members, and business leaders in the clink.
Well documented that previous korean governments (park & chun) supported the sex tourism business aimed at bringing in the Japanese. Needed that hard currency, you know. Probably didn't have a hard time pitching it to Japanese tour operators. But korean invented, owned and managed it was...and is. (BTW, ever wonder if park, when he was a Japanese military officer, visited any of the "comfort wormen"?)
Hey SeoulSurvivor
I just moved to Seoul from NYC.
I went to a KTV place in town with some Korean friends but the girls were not nearly as "friendly" as in your story.
What do you have to say / pay early on to let them know you want to party? Will all girls party in the room instead of going to a motel?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulSurvivor
[i]I have become very partial to Bukchang-dong as a fun destination for a little bit (okay, a lot) more than Itaewon. Obviously, since I don't have W3,000,000 to throw around every night like our friend "assetman" from Lone Star, yes, I'm a worthless piece of shit -- but I can say that Bukchang-dong can be a very enjoyable night out.
My last excursion was with a single running-mate, another Korean-speaking white guy. We hit my favorite place in Bukchang-dong around 11:00 p.m. with bellies full of kalbi and beer, smiles on our faces and stiff pricks at attention. Partly this was due to having downed a Vitamin V with dinner, but partly due to anticipation of a great time.
Bukchang-dong is the wildest "KTV" karaoke-style district in Korea that I've found yet. If there is another drinking-and-stripping-and-blowjob-or-fuck-in-the-room-with-your-friends area, let me know. I really like it.
This last time, my female partner sat on my face during the "introduction", grinding her pussy into my tongue, and it just got wilder from there. Standing blowjob while singing, fuck on the table, spreading ass cheeks for a gyno show, 69, round-robin partner swap, etc. We retired to a hotel for a four-way fuckfest.
Anybody else for this send e-mail to [email]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email]. Helps if you're youngish, good looking, speak Korean, and are willing to spend W500-600,000. [/i][/QUOTE]
hutsori: you seem to boast that you know a lot about the asian culture from your purported understanding of its history. I was wondering if you are white or oriental. As I was purusing through the comments you made to Daniel_You, I had hard time understanding your point. I think Daniel_You was merely suggested his reasoning for why some of the Korean businessmen acted the way they did. What are you arguing for?
stud_lee, yaoming, daniel_you, amateur, and hutsori
Thank you very, very much for your response(s) to my post... I really appreciate your input, it is very helpful. However, I need to clarify some of my remarks (I'm still not communicating clearly... I apologize for that). First, I did not expect (or want) my Korean hosts to provide expensive sexual "entainment"... I just wanted them to discretely point-me in the right direction so I could obtain my own "entainment" in private (we Westerners are also too embarrased to ask for this information directly from a business associate).
I was hoping my hosts would take my hint and respond with... "If you want a hair cut, don't go to the barber shop across the street from your hotel, because it is a AMP that specializes in SEX"... or if you want a hair cut... "Make sure you go to a barber shop with only one (1) pole, because the barber shops with two (2) poles are AMP's that specialize in SEX". Actually, I still don't understand if the number of barber poles indicates SEX or hair-cut. Is there a difference... did I "luck-out" on my first experiece?
Another example, in Thailand, I've had a host say..." I know that you gentlemen (he used the term loosely) would not partake, but for educational purposes, if you choose to observe the Thailand SEX scene, here are some locations close to your hotel... and, oh by-the-way, if you get drunk and loose control, take these "no-sweat-pills"... which I provide to all visitors" even though I know they will not be used!!! He knew we were "gentlemen"... but he was also astute enough to know we wanted some tight Asian pussy !!!
yoaming,
Only white or asian? Something seems amiss. Not on your radar? Me? Two of them. But what's the relevance?
Asian culture? Strange. My comments were specific to korea. Nothing mentioned about Bhutan, Sri Lanka, Mongolia, etc. They are asian cultures, aren't they? I haven't boasted about purported understanding of asian cultures. The reason for your extrapolation? Your reading comprehension?
Daniel_You's post of WESTERNERS DON'T LIKE... really wasn't very informative. Bizarre, yes. Hence the follow up posts from both stud_lee and me. Daniel_You's reply was much more illuminating, ie spot on, in that korean businessmen realize there is no additional money to be made by spending several million won entertaining westerners. Good business sense; nothing to quibble about here. And, if you think about it, having absolutely nothing to do with under-the-table money, which was evidently a topic of such great interest to korea's teachers during Daniel_You's school days that it left its mark.
Had Daniel_You's first post stated "You gotta pay to play" or "Don't be a sponge" it would have better provided his reasoning for why some of the korean businessmen acted the way they did. The in-my-school-days line was a load of tripe.
Perhaps a suggestion to western businessmen to use their spending account $$$ and take their korean counterparts out will open the doors. "I've got the dough, but I don't know where to go." I know it works and you'll be tongue deep in women.
No argument was made. What was requested, albeit very indirectly, was for clarity. And that, my friend, is always the point.
bendover57,
"I just need a haircut. Do I go to the barber shop w/ one pole or two?"
"I need a massage, but I don't like blind people. Where should I go?"
If you aren't keen to party with your counterparts, and you don't speak korean, you've severely limited your options. Doing things on your own is more a western behavior than korean. Anything involving alcohol such as hostess club, a noraebang or even 588 tends to be a group activity. Even going to a massage palour/bathhouse/turkey tang/sports massage can be a group activity. Then you'll have a male gochu chingu (penis friend), which sounds really gay, but isn't.
There are low-end bars where a lone korean male may go to drink with an older, 30+, woman. Look for small bars w/ no windows, typically on side streets, and that have signs on which is written yangju (whiskey) and maekju (beer)--both in hangul. The establishment, the women, and the customers tend to be a bit rough. Again, not knowing korean may make for an awkward time.
If you're not an adventuresome, type A personality then offer to treat your counterparts. They'll know where to go.
Hi I'm new to these pages, had some fun reading through them before deciding to post. Would appriciate some help getting around, especially the barber shops (seems to be a hot topic), what can I expect to pay? been on the hill a few times, where is Rous? top or bottom? look forward to hearing from everyone and maybe a night out in the near future (I'm a Brit living here).
Cheers
I do not profess to be an expert about Korean barbershops, but I sure would like to learn more about the pleasures of them. Things have changed a lot the 14 years I’ve been in Seoul.
The sure giveaway for a barbershop with extra services was one that was in the basement. Didn’t need two poles or other fancy advertising. I have never been disappointed with a basement barbershop – except one when I went in really for a haircut. A young but plump girl assisted the barber. After he was finished, I was sure she would work me over, so to speak. Never happened. Everyone wants to get a young girl. This is all relative to one’s age. I’m 51, so young to me is anything 35 and below. The average age of barbershop women went up right after the 1997 economy crash. There were many reports of housewives going to work in barbershops. The places were being busted because they had “too many” condoms.
Did have a nice young one before 1997 when the exchange rate of 800 won to the dollar. Stopped in a basement shop by Pagoda Park in Chongno. Was strange because it was the first time – and only time -- the barber quoted the price up front: 80,000 won. He left and a thin young thing proceeded to work me over in the chair. This lasted about 10 minutes when she motioned for me to follow. Note: I can speak very little Korean, and it has not been a great hindrance. There was a mat on the floor where she quickly stripped, and I did the same. She slipped the condom on during a BJ, and then climbed right on top. Was worth the $100.
I’ve seen many barbershops where there is not a barber around. And, many of the barbershops have taken the chairs out and just put in mattresses. There is a place like this next to the Yongsan post office. First time I went, the older woman just did a massage, and wanted 30,000 won. Went back again after a few months, and there were two new women. I had a good massage, adequate HJ, and then the second woman came and climbed on while the first one played with my nipples. Been back many times, but these women are gone.
Barbershop women like to stick their fingers in your ass. They also like to have their pussies eaten. I know, not the safest practice, but it just is so delicious. My current barbershop friend just about drops her panties every time I walk in the door. While I am laying in the chair, she puts one leg up on the stool so I can nibble away. Again, she is one of the married women who joined the trade.
I know the women are a lot younger in Kangnam, but the price also is a lot higher. To me, there is nothing wrong with strong hands and tight lips at a reasonable price.
hutsori:
Man you need to chill a bit there bro. I was merely suggesting that you had an antogonistic tone when you were posting and I was just quetioning it. No need to criticize my reading comprehension man. I might have been skimming the passages a little too much and failed to comprehend the reasoning behind your posts, but there's no need to put me on the same page as Bush. Just out of curiosity, what is the ethnicity of your asian half?
I would be coming to Seoul next month and was suggested to stay at New World Hotel. Is this a good hotel? Can anyone tell me about the class of hotel this is? And, any good actions nearby, i.e., barbershops, coffeeshops, or noraebangs where I can have some chicks? Thanks
Dear Casper,
Prices for a "haircut" have remained steady the past few years. To me, the average price seems to be around 60,000 won, depending of the grade of service. Once I asked the price, and was told 50,000 for HJ. I usually give 70,000 if a BJ is included. The most I have been quoted is 100,000, and that was full service, but have had FS for less.
However, for 60,000 won you can get FS at one of the RLD districts. Depends on what you are willing to spend and your disposable cash. I've heard that barbershops are more expensive in the Kangnam (south of the Han River) area. Prices also vary outside of Seoul.
My experience is that Pusan is more expensive as far as barbershops go. Remember: supply and demand. There are barbershops offering extra services all over Seoul.
photoman
Casper as you walk up the hill the Rous is on the right near the top. Enjoy yourself Gina is simply one of the best.
Photoman where exactly is the Yonsan post office? And where is 588? I was just at the Electronics market the other day and I thought I might have been close to 588 but was to embarrased to ask for directions. I know there is alot of construction going on in that area. Thanks
Ciao
Nico/Photoman,
Thanks for the info, appreciated, after reading all the good things about Gina (Rous) I really have to get myself there. Reading the Pusan pages (Medic & Analkiss) they mentioned Tabang (coffee shops) being a good source of entertainment, are there any of these shops in Seoul? This weekend I'm tied up, but next weekend I intend to have a blast, starting Friday night and if I can keep it up, finish Sunday morning, going to try a bit of everything. Will report back later in week.
Cheers
Amateur:
New World hotel is a mid class business hotel although I have never stayed there. It is about the same as Samjung Hotel one mile to the west. New World is in the middle of the Kangnam action. Out the front door, turn right and walk down the hill and there is good drinking place near the sports club but expensive. Turn left out of New World and for the next mile, endless drinking places. Helps to have Korean guide.
Amateur,
Also, you can find a very famous room-salon (named 'Gallery') on the 2nd and 3rd fl. of that hotel, while on the basement level, there also is a room-salon (named 'mania').
But still those two are very expensive.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Love Taipei
[i]Amateur:
New World hotel is a mid class business hotel although I have never stayed there. It is about the same as Samjung Hotel one mile to the west. New World is in the middle of the Kangnam action. Out the front door, turn right and walk down the hill and there is good drinking place near the sports club but expensive. Turn left out of New World and for the next mile, endless drinking places. Helps to have Korean guide. [/i][/QUOTE]
casper,
Those kind of coffee shops are seldom found in Seoul area these days, but still you could be there in a remote town, especially in a small port town.
There, in coffee shop with that kind of service, girls are emplyed by the hours, and when you wish to enjoy with them, you should 'buy' girl's time. They call it 'to buy ticket(s)' and additionally you have to pay for the service the girls offers.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by casper
[i]Nico/Photoman,
Thanks for the info, appreciated, after reading all the good things about Gina (Rous) I really have to get myself there. Reading the Pusan pages (Medic & Analkiss) they mentioned Tabang (coffee shops) being a good source of entertainment, are there any of these shops in Seoul? This weekend I'm tied up, but next weekend I intend to have a blast, starting Friday night and if I can keep it up, finish Sunday morning, going to try a bit of everything. Will report back later in week.
Cheers [/i][/QUOTE]
Hi.
I was wondering where are great spots to find some Russian women working at in Seoul? Whether they are strip places or FS/massage/bath places. If anyone has any good info on places with the hottest Russian women, I'd really appreciate it.
Can anyone assist me with the selection among the following hotels for me to stay next time I am in Seoul, considering their price for a night and good actions nearby? Hotel Popgreen (in apgujungdong); New World Hotel; Elle Lui Hotel; Riviera. Thanks.
Hey Guys
Amyone fancy a trawl around the fun-spots this weekend? I've had to wait this long to get rid of my colleague who doesn't approve of such activities!
I'm a stranger to town so I'm not going to be able to guide anyone, but I'm happy to buy the drinks.
Cheers
PS Is there anyway of getting an incall to my hotel out by Gimpo?
Dear Nico,
If you were at the electronics market, you were not far from the Yongsan RLD. (Surprised you couldn’t smell it.) The Yongsan post office is just across the street from Yongsan’s glass houses.
Best direction to Yongsan’s glass houses is to take subway line 4 to Shinyongsan station. It is one the west side of the main road, across from the Hanil Building (the big silver building) The north exits from the subway take you to the electronics market. Go to the south portals and walk south to the intersection. Turn right, go about 50 meters, and you see the road that drives by all the glass houses and A girls. On both sides of the drivethru and the main street are about 100 places.
588, or Chongyonggi, is at the east end of the subway line 1 in Tongdaemun area. Take one of the south exits from the subway and go about 200 meters southwest. You will see the glass houses.
Miari is on the number 4 line at Girum station in north Seoul. Take exit number 10 from the station, and just venture into the little side alleys.
Good hunting.
Thanks Photoman I will be back down this weekend to do a walk through.
And are russians offered there? I am looking for a russian since I havent had one in some time.
ciao
Greeetings from Boston USA!
I have to say that Korean women are some of the loveliest women on the planet(I've had 4 in my lifetime,each one better than the other or was I in a zone?)
What's with the story I hear?,some guy threw a milk carton on a train and killed quite a bit of people? sad to hear.
Meatman...this is what happened......
An arsonist set a carriage of the train on fire, which spread quickly to the entire train and onto a second subway train that was arriving from the opposite direction. The subway fire in Daegu that left at least 125 people dead. The arson used a container filled with flammable liquid and threw it into the subway car.
Experts also noted that the interiors of the subway cars did not have fire-resistant materials, which caused many to die from the inhalation of toxic gases and smoke.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MEATMAN
[i]Greeetings from Boston USA!
I have to say that Korean women are some of the loveliest women on the planet(I've had 4 in my lifetime,each one better than the other or was I in a zone?)
What's with the story I hear?,some guy threw a milk carton on a train and killed quite a bit of people? sad to hear. [/i][/QUOTE]
greetings to all.
it's great to be back in my native country after 18 yrs. although i did visit seoul maybe 3 times during that span but then i was too young to know anything. i'm in my mid twenties and having heard so much about the rlds in seoul from my korean friends i was in many ways eager to get back. i've just arrived today for some social business and will be around for a few months. my korean is conversational and thus i figure i shouldn't have a hard time making small talk with the ladies.
problem is, apart from this site i have been unable to find any other sites regarding the rlds in seoul. i do vaguely know the roads but even so i'm still confused to which place would be the best for me to visit.
yongsan? 588? miari? yongjugol? any other places?
i hardly have any friends in seoul and the few that i have are not the type i find comfortable discussing about this topic.
daniel_you,
your posts have been very informative and that too goes for every other members on this forum. however, i've come to the conclusion that you are the only native korean on this forum and (do correct me if i'm wrong people) was wondering if you could help out a fresh fish. do send me an email at [email]jhooh@hotmail.com[/email].
thanks in advance.
let's see, i currently reside in the states(nyc) but i'm returning from a long holiday in kuala lumpur malaysia. had a wild time there and the services are cheap compared to nyc or seoul but many girls were down right skanky(they look hot but they really have no etiquette. some will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] and spit infront of you like it's normal. strong cigarette smell all over them and like wise). granted, i'm strongly generalising but i never had that problem anywhere else. language too was a problem although most of them will speak better english than most girls here... malaysia is currently overrun by prc (people's republic of china) stocks and giving serious competition to the locals. these girls hardly speak any english, you'll be lucky if you find one that knows "thank you and hello". standard price in kl will be eqivalent to 60,000 for a 45min session. most of my frs can be seen in the malaysia kl section.
please fellow hobbyist, do help me out here. thank you.
nico,
Was at Yongsan a few days ago and didn't see any Russians, but I don't look for Russians either ;-) If I had, I know it would have certainly caught my attention. Reckon that the Russians are seen as too valuable to be working in a "down-market" place.
About six months ago I saw Russian girls in Seoul at an expensive room salon that caters to koreans. Previous posts have thoroughly explained room salons, costs, willingness to accept lone non-korean customers, etc. Have seen a few Russians at foreigner-oriented dance clubs in itaewon such as Grand Ole Opry--about 2/3rds of the way up the hill--and Stompers. (Stompers itaewon is now closed as Mr. Lee has devoted his efforts to his hong dae location.) I have not been to the King Club in years, but it may be worth a look if you're in the neighborhood. There is also a club behind the itaewon fire station and next to Club Flexx. I'm not positive of the name (Moscow Nights, perhaps?), but the neon sign is Cyrillic. A lot of Russian girls going in and out of the place, and the clientele is typically korean. Though Club Flexx caters to the Africans, I have seen Russians there. I have not found any Russians at the hostess bars on the hill or at the more upscale hostess clubs on the main itaewon strip.
If you're looking for the GFE there are a lot of Russian students in living in shinchon. Prowling area will be the bars in hong dae. More than likely to run into Canadian English teachers.
Outside seoul, TDC and songtan seem to be the best bet for Russians. Both are about 90 minutes from Seoul if traffic is moving. I recall you're familiar with the attractions at TDC and tokori. There are also Russians at CP Howze, but the bars are not as short-time friendly as TDC and tokori. Side note: Was in Taegu and found a Spanish girl working at Mama Lee's. Certainly doesn't have the looks to warrant a special trip, but certainly an oddity, especially since she was about 20-years younger than the old dragons there. The foreigner-oriented club scene in Taegu is dead.
Hutsori
Thanks for the info I have been to tokori before and had a excellent time there at Foxwoods, where they were all russian. I just can't stand the ride from where I'm at to get there. I tried the haircut place that photoman suggested by the Yonsan post office yesterday. The woman washed my feet and trimmed my toenails, then gave me a very good shave including my ears. She then gave me aslo a very good massage all of that was 65,000. Then she asked if i wanted sex I gave her a $20 then she proceeed to mount me but she faked it by using her hand it was all rather comical.
Then I went across the street and found 588. In my opinion Miari is way better than 588. To me 588 didnt have the amount of women that miari does. I walked through with my pal and no one even acknowledged us. So I deceded to hit up Miari on my own. Went there about 6 not to many places open but the ones that were were offering service. I picked out a lovely lady and spent 70,000. She started out licking my chest nipples and arms and gave me a bbbj for about 2 mins. She asked if I wanted a condom and I said hell yes. Had a really great time with her and she even kissed me on the mouth during sex.
Had to go back to itaewon to meet my friends at Gecko's, got there and drank a lil to much and decided to go see gina. I ended up dropping 120,000 on gina. Of course Gina gave incredible service as always. But after spending that kinda money in one night I may stay home next weekend. I was too tired to go to Stompers where I normally go.
Good luck to all and be safe out there.
Ciao
I am going to have business trip to Seoul and will stay in Intercontinetal Hotel. Any action new the hotel? I am brand
new to this place. Any information will be appreciated.
wilson19730329@yahoo.com
Nico;
How and where do I find Miari?
And same question about Gina, do you have any more info on her (looks, age, address etc).
And I'll be in Seoul next week. Wed - Fri. Are there anyone experienced in the room-salon scene that could give me some good tips?
Anyone interested in going to one together? Each of use covering our share of course.
liondale@operamail.com
Liondale
Miari is located off of line number 4. The stop is Gireum number 417. Once your off the subway navigate to the subway entrance number 5 or 10. I not exactly sure which one. But then all you would do from there is cross the street and its going to be on your right side. You will see the booths and everything else there. Good Luck and have a good time.
IMO Gina appears to be 24 or 25 she has a perfect little tight body, nice perky breasts and a very sweet pussy. Velvety skin and the softest lips. She takes a shower after each customer so you won't find a cleaner girl than her on the hill.
Ciao
Gina is in her early 40's. Her body is still excellent but not as sweet as a few years ago. Not having had children helps her keep that youthful appearance.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nico
[i]IMO Gina appears to be 24 or 25 she has a perfect little tight body, nice perky breasts and a very sweet pussy. Velvety skin and the softest lips. She takes a shower after each customer so you won't find a cleaner girl than her on the hill.
Ciao [/i][/QUOTE]
NY Yankee,
Yes, I think I am the only local in this forum. You could tell this by my English. Anyway please send me an email to :
daniel_you@yahoo.com
thanks.
DY
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]
DANIEL_YOU,
Your posts have been very informative and that too goes for every other members on this forum. However, I've come to the conclusion that you are the only native korean on this forum and (do correct me if I'm wrong people) was wondering if you could help out a fresh fish. Do send me an email at [email]jhooh@hotmail.com[/email].
Thanks in advance.
[/i]
[/QUOTE]
Any suggestions for Top 10 Itewon clubs? (or Top 5)? Clubs/girls that can be suggested for those first-timers, short-time tourists/business travelers, or even for us long-timers wanting to spread our wings? Could be a great tool for building up a local reference sheet.
Mine (not necessarily in any order) for guaranteed satisfaction.
Tiger Tavern: Mimi and Pumpkin. Notorious BJ shack, never fails and FS now available.
Ambrosia: Mindy. May have been a man in an earlier life (see earlier posts) Had good sessions but a bit worried now.
Kiss In the Dark (or the one right next to it, can't remember) Sweet girl, never got a name, great service in the back corner.
Starbutts: Owner (late 30s but still fine) gives some of the best head I've ever experienced.
OK, only my top 4 but I don't get out much any more. Your contributions?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gameover
[i]Tiger Tavern: Mimi and Pumpkin. Notorious BJ shack, never fails and FS now available.
Kiss In the Dark (or the one right next to it, can't remember) Sweet girl, never got a name, great service in the back corner.
Starbutts: Owner (late 30s but still fine) gives some of the best head I've ever experienced.[/i][/QUOTE]
I would be curious to hear how much I've overpaid for the best head at Starbutts, and to fuck Mimi at Tiger Tavern.
Great head at Starbutts: 60,000~80,000
Fucking Mimi at Tiger: 100,000~120,000
Did a double nude BJ with Mimi and Pumpkin for 120,000 (pretty wild, actually. Not simply two nude girls on the floor but lots of rotation and changing position. No FS included on this one but one of the better experiences I've had in the place.)
Of course, add a couple of drinks (at least one) to this price for a total but I don't include drinks in my costs.
Yes, I'd be curious to know how much you (over)paid as well.
Just wondering where kinkos in kangnam is ? Read a previous report about a MS kim who operates in a bs shop near kinkos there..has anyone been there or have any reports..basically looking for a above the ordinary bs experience in or around gangnam..any info appreciated..
also there are a lote of love motels near my new place by seoul natioal university station..are these just for couples or do any of them have girls ??Is there any way of telling the diference?
cheers
paddy
Hi guys,
just wondering what the scene is like in kangnam. Any action around kangnam subway station? Room salons, karaoke, clubs, barbershops, turkish bath, sports massage, anything?
As mentioned before, I'm of korean origin and do speak decent korean but I haven't been in seoul for more than 15 yrs and needs some help.
Currently I do live around kangnam but I'm completely lost about where to go. Any help and feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
So far I've checked out the three infamous RLDs(miari, 588 and yongsan). Miari wasn't to my taste, 588 had some great looking ladies on the main road, many were crazily vocal in getting my attention. The fact that I was walking and it was raining made my trip that much more hazardous. The girls pulled on my umbrella forcing me to their sides trying desperately hard to make me spend my money. But I still think too many if not all are to business minded. 60,000 won for what is eventually less than 15mins is a bit too much. Furthermore, you can't eat them nor do they give you anything else apart from a very SOP service. Another thing, they tend to rush you so that they will be able to pull their next customer.
Yongsan too had many great looking girls. There was this one girl who was by far the best looking amongst the lot. But she really had a attitude and wanted 300,000 for an hour session so I walked out. According to her, her 300,000won is better than the other 180,000 services. I've heard better lies. Had two quickies with two other decent girls for 60,000 each. They were very friendly and gave great SOP service. One even gave me her phone#.
According to some of the girls at the three RLDs, most shops don't cater to foreigners nowadays. I don't understand the whole concept but it supposedly ruins the reputation of the shops. Furthermore they cited, STD and personal preferences. Strange really, never seen this sort of "reverse racism"(not really a correct term but it's the only thing I could really think of). Yeah talk about prostitutes who decline money by mass... In my short experience so far, the price for sex in korea is far inflated and they don't even give that great of a service. For 60,000 in malaysia I could get a good bath, bbbj, AR, pussy eating, vaginal and anal sex for a 45 mins sessions. Granted, the Korean girls are much much much hotter in general. Hope to have some better luck soon. So help me out guys if you can. Thanks again.
NY Yankees,
I have been to NYC and Orlando for a week. It snowed heavily so I had to wait in JFK for more than 8 hours! Terrible...
Around Kangnam subway station, there certainly are more than 200 room salons and karaokes, 300 clubs, 100 barborshops, 1 turkish bath, 50 sports massages...
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]Hi guys,
just wondering what the scene is like in kangnam. Any action around kangnam subway station? Room salons, karaoke, clubs, barbershops, turkish bath, sports massage, anything?
As mentioned before, I'm of korean origin and do speak decent korean but I haven't been in seoul for more than 15 yrs and needs some help.
Currently I do live around kangnam but I'm completely lost about where to go. Any help and feedback will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.
[/i][/QUOTE]
I know three Kinko's in Kangnam area. The one is across the road from Intercontinental, the second in Woosung Apt Joint, and the third some 100meters east of Yeoksan station.
Who posted the previous report and when? Please tell me or dump the posting. The I guess I could show you the way.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]Just wondering where kinkos in kangnam is ? Read a previous report about a MS kim who operates in a bs shop near kinkos there..has anyone been there or have any reports..basically looking for a above the ordinary bs experience in or around gangnam..any info appreciated..
also there are a lote of love motels near my new place by seoul natioal university station..are these just for couples or do any of them have girls ??Is there any way of telling the diference?
cheers
paddy [/i][/QUOTE]
Hello all,
Long time poster,first time visitor to the Korean board.My Question is where is the best place to meet women in Seoul? I have a friend who is leaving the states to teach English and he tells me that its pretty realxed with foreign guys.
Will someone elaborate on tourists coming there? and is Korea expensive? thanx!
OH forgot.....The Bubble Sisters.. there 15 minutes are up.. no talent little cunts!! the fuck is the deal with these bitches??
Daniel, I am in Kangnam right now, until Friday. Please give me your best tips for the area. If there are as many places to go to as you say, then there are too many for me to choose. Please pin point some. Does sportsmassage include any sex service?
Staying at Coatel...
If you (or anyone else) are in the area and free Thursday night - today - and going out, please consider showing me around :) (Begging ;))
You can mail me at liondale@operamail.com
(I will work until 2100)
daniel
here is the posting..it was posted in july of 2002...
"The show at the VENUS is awesome. Go up the hill in Itaewon (Seoul) and it's the 3rd bar on the right. It's a one woman show....and it's worth the stop over. I gaurantee it will get your engine running. If you're up to it she'll cool you off too. Show costs about 50000 won each for up to 3 guys and 20000 for each for more guys. Also found a barbershop by KINKO's in Kangnam that is truely FULL service. I went in at 11:00 pm and didn't leave until 2:00 am. Go up the street that is next to KINKO's to the red light and it's the 2 pole barbershop on the the left corner. Go downstairs and get ready! The lady's name is Ms. Kim (02-552-3398). You can call ahead to set up a rendevous. BBBJ, tongue wash, big tits, and full service fucking.
Several of my buddies are looking to start rating barber poles....it seems there is a move afoot to improve SERVICE! We'll see.
Good huntin'!"
AS i cannot speak korean my phone call to the above number was fruitless..maybe you could call and find out if the Ms Kim still works there and the location...
also maybe u could tell me the location of any of the sports massages u mention in the area..
saharzie@yahoo.com
any info appreciated
cheers
conor
Paddy,
What is the price at the barbershop in Kangnam for FS?
If you don't speak korean, and you go into the barbershop, is it obvious that you will get full service, or are there other things one needs to know?
just me
Meatman: where you from? Korea is not expensive compared to the US. I found a lot of things to be quite cheap, actually. Some things might be more expensive (in terms of sex, a lot more!), but I was pleasantly surprised!
Also, what kind of women do you want to meet? Pros or normal? If you’re a foreigner, the best place is Itaewon. Local girls go there just to hook up with foreign guys. Just go to any of the bars. For pros, there’s plenty of information here about where to go. But in general, Korea is not a good place for sex compared to other places in Asia. Much more expensive than, say, Thailand or China.
Seeing a few posts about barbershops in Kangnam. First off, Kangnam is a huge geographical area so more specifics would be necessary (landmarks, subway lines, etc). Second, and more importantly, there are so many good shops around for what you're looking for.
My recommendation for FS barbershop (posted before but here it is again)
Go to Yeoksam St. and exit towards the Rodamco Tower. There is a Starbucks on the first floor. If you're standing in front of the entrance to Starbucks, look across the street and you'll see a small alley running directly away from Starbucks. Walk down this street until the first cross street (again, a small alley-like road) and turn left. You'll see a couple double-poles with a pink sign called "Pinkl Hyugyetel" (written in Korean but you really can't miss it.)
100,000 younger than usual (for barbershop) girls, pretty cute (but not Turkey Bath quality). You'll get a brief massage in the chair and then you'll move to a room. This is not the shower-table room that other places have but a small room with a mat on the floor and mirrors on the wall. You can take a shower if you'd like. You'll strip, the girl will strip, and then you'll go at it. BBBJ, you can return the favor if you like, 69, whatever (no anal so far) Girls seem to like watching the action in the mirror. Always had a great time.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stud_lee
[i]Meatman: where you from? Korea is not expensive compared to the US. I found a lot of things to be quite cheap, actually. Some things might be more expensive (in terms of sex, a lot more!), but I was pleasantly surprised!
Also, what kind of women do you want to meet? Pros or normal? If you’re a foreigner, the best place is Itaewon. Local girls go there just to hook up with foreign guys. Just go to any of the bars. For pros, there’s plenty of information here about where to go. But in general, Korea is not a good place for sex compared to other places in Asia. Much more expensive than, say, Thailand or China. [/i][/QUOTE]
stud_lee
I'm from the evil empire(U.S.A) and I need to get out of here pussy is too goddamn expensive here!!I never paid more than $50 bucks for a girl and I dont plan on spending more than what I bargained for.Oh,I'm looking for pros,not the hardened ones.
are SWS illegal in South Korea? Im learning as I progress and is it safe with all the anti-american views and crap.Learning as I progress thanx!
Paddy23,
The place is very near from Full Gospel Church in Kangnam but since there are too many 'Ms. Kim' in Korea, I don't know whether 'Ms. Kim you are looking for' is still working there. But most probably, she moght have left...
Send me an email of your contact number and I will call you.
daniel_you@yahoo.com
DY
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]daniel
here is the posting..it was posted in july of 2002...
"The show at the VENUS is awesome. Go up the hill in Itaewon (Seoul) and it's the 3rd bar on the right. It's a one woman show....and it's worth the stop over. I gaurantee it will get your engine running. If you're up to it she'll cool you off too. Show costs about 50000 won each for up to 3 guys and 20000 for each for more guys. Also found a barbershop by KINKO's in Kangnam that is truely FULL service. I went in at 11:00 pm and didn't leave until 2:00 am. Go up the street that is next to KINKO's to the red light and it's the 2 pole barbershop on the the left corner. Go downstairs and get ready! The lady's name is Ms. Kim (02-552-3398). You can call ahead to set up a rendevous. BBBJ, tongue wash, big tits, and full service fucking.
Several of my buddies are looking to start rating barber poles....it seems there is a move afoot to improve SERVICE! We'll see.
Good huntin'!"
AS i cannot speak korean my phone call to the above number was fruitless..maybe you could call and find out if the Ms Kim still works there and the location...
also maybe u could tell me the location of any of the sports massages u mention in the area..
saharzie@yahoo.com
any info appreciated
cheers
conor [/i][/QUOTE]
FS Barber shop in Kangnam near Apkujung, Hyundai Dept store: I have been to this place three times and guaranteed full service for 90,000. Across from the Hyundai Dept store on the left side, there is a hotel called Hotel PopGreen. On this block, facing the entrance to the hotel, there is a car dealership (Daewoo I think) on the same block to the right. Running parallel to this dealership, if you look straight down the street, there is only one barber pole on the left side. I would say it is about 150 yards from the corner where the dealership is situated. If I recall the lady's name correctly, ask for Ms. Yim, if she is there. She is in mid-30's, no one younger unfortunately at the place. She is very good and loves to ride hard and for long time. Check it out.
SeoulSurvivor said
Gina is in her early 40's. Her body is still excellent but not as sweet as a few years ago. Not having had children helps her keep that youthful appearance.
Which club dos Gina work in?
gameover great reccomendation for a fs barber shop.
went to the one by the starbucks in yeoksam last night, thatnks to ure directions.
100,000..lasted about 50 mins altogether. girl was about 30, big tits, big lips and great body. usual massage and she licked my nipples while slipping her hand downstairs..then led to a small room, take shower ..bbj, 69, fs in a few positions and a bj/hj to finsh as i came all over her tits..she then licked the cum off..!
class experience...cheers gameover!
there must be loads of places like this in this area of seoul...if everybody posted their own personal fave bs shops then at least we would know what we are getting as at the moment the bs experience can be decidedly hit and miss. and if u are rating a bs..please give detailed directions..cheers..
paddy
Meatman..
as far as meeting regualr women here, it's pretty easy..
for a sure thing go to itaewon, hollywood basemnt club is probably the main pick up joint. The standards are mixed..there are quite a few hotties, but it takies more effort to score..then there are the girls in their early thirties who are in 2's and 3's..these are a sinch...90% of the time it will result in sex..they are not as attractive as the former category, but..who cares.
There is a better standard away from itaewon , but the chances of scoring are slimmer. julianas niteclub (now known as nyla) in apkuejong is where i saw the highest calibre of women, 80% were stunning..but it is expensive and the booking system is bullshit..money wins out over looks in that place..
elsewhere hongdae, Sinchon are ok..its better to find soemeone who speaks korean to go out with as u will find better places..
the two groups of korean women i have met seem to have fallen into the two extremes:
1) the attractive *****- just wants sex and drinks, not interested in a relationship, has a few different guys on the go. will openly sleaze with other men in fromt of u..good craic tho.
2)The clingy type: Wants a boyfriend. Wil say she loves u after a few meetings.. can get boring.
hate to generalise but thats just my experience.
Just curious does any one know of any place that provides greek? Or had any experiences on the hill where greek was spoken? I havent spoke greek in a while and I am missing it. Cost isn't any concern of mine. Thanks
Ciao
nico,
Try the two roughest places on the hill, Cabin and Indian Joes. Both are on the same street as the King Club and across the road from Starbutts. Indian Joes is roomier and has privacy. Ask to use the bedroom hidden behind the curtain at the entrance. The cubicles just have vinyl-upholstered couches that aren't too comfortable. If you don't care for privacy or partial public is a fetish then Cabin. The girls are 2-4--don't turn on the light or light a cigarette as the score lowers. I don't know if Indian Joes has gotten any new girls in while, but the owner, 40+, 5-6, and 20-year-old Pat Benatar headband is game. She's pleasant enough, but she always working for the money. She does a convincing fake BBJ, so make sure the back of her head doesn't completely obstruct your view. Lowest price for bbj and happy ending in mouth is 30k at Cabin and 50k at Indian Joes. Lowest price FS 40k at Cabin and 60k at Indian Joes. These are weekday prices and the 10k for FS added after prolonged BBJ and jaw cramp. Your mileage may vary. So what do you think the greek premium will be? Maybe another 30-50k? The (in)famous Mindy used to be a guy, so greek shouldn't be much of a stretch. From the other posts I consider her prices steep, but she is the only post-op on the hill so exclusivity has its price. A colleague found greek elsewhere on the hill for 200k. They are working, and all have their price.
Thanks Hutsori I have heard the storys about mindy and just stopped in to hear her voice. Made a little small talk with her,she indeed is pretty but I am unsure if I would ever go back there. I am planning on checking out the clubs around Camp Howze as were mentioned earlier. I was there last wednsday and saw a pretty russian outside of one. I had neither the time nor place to stop and chat with her. This weds I will be prepared.
Ciao
How do you know for sure that Mindy used to be a guy? This sounds like one of the rumours started up by the other girls on the hill. Wouldn't surprise me.
Paddy: Glad you enjoyed my favorite barbershop. I've been there a total of 4 times, with a different girl each time, and high quality every visit. Each girl has a bit of variation in her routine but overall I have been happy always.
I'll continue my posts on barbershops as new experiences come about.
About Mindy: Does anyone have any definitive proof? She's been around for awhile (at least 4 years in a couple different spots) and has always been "female" during that time. Seems to have gotten sluttier over time. Are we judging by her somewhat funky voice? or are there other indicators?
Other Itaewon clubs? Any comments for quality/guaranteed good times?
Finally: I'm a Turkey/Steam Bath/"Sports Massage" junkie and always on the lookout for new spots. Anyone with recommendations? Current favorites include Dynasty (no secret there) and Hamilton. Anyone got another?
Ok boys, howbout posting some phone numbers of gals of various establishments (room salons, barber shops, whatever) that you've had a good experience with and that may potentially be into freelancing away from their place of business.
I speak Korean, so language is no problem.
Greek
Mindy, indeed, does speak Greek.
So does the owner of Starbutts (a bit older but still pretty sexy and gives a mean BBBJ)
Of the places on the top of the hill (can't remember exactly but I think it was the first place on the right, after you turn right past Stompers)
Used to be a girl at First Class Club called Kim Mi Su but I think she's gone (too bad)
Wouldn't be surprised if Tiger Tavern was an option
Agree with an earlier poster, they're all working and they probably all have their price. You'd most likely have a better chance with one of the older ones, though.
Hi guys, I'm new to this forum, but not new to Korea. Anyway, I've got quite an extensive photo collection of the "Hill" girls and I'm always on the lookout for new models. Anyone know a Chinese chick named Dan-hee? Really hot, but a little pricier than most of HG's (Hill girls) Used to work at the Royal, but then moved to the ABC club. Says she doesn't speak Greek, but does just about everything else . I have phone numbers for many of these chicks as well, so if anyone wants to know about the whereabouts of a certain one, let me know. (Lord knows that it wouldn't be gentelmanly to post the phone numbers here,,,,heh heh) BTW, If you can't tell that Mindy is a TS, all you have to do is ask her. It's no big secret. Says that she's had the operation, though. I'm pretty sure that there's another one working at Coyote Ugly next to the Soju Kettle as well. More later
News -- not that it affects many:
The following Hotel and Clubs in Itaewon, "Hooker Hill" are off-limits due to evidence of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] Activities / Prostitution
The Tae Pyung Hotel, 1st Class Club, Angel Club, Best Club, Bridge Club, Club Capital, Cocktail Club, Coyote Club, Dallas Club, Dawn's, Dragon Club, Dreams, Forever Together, Isabella's, Indian Club, Kiss in the Dark, Moulin Rouge, Nymph, Red Fox Club, Royal, Spanky's, Starburst, Sunny's Club, Texas Club, Tiger Tavern and Yes Club
Great info photoman, where did you get it if you don't mind me asking? You can email me if you like mrbarkerman@hotmail.com
Ciao
Photoman;
Off limits to whom? USFK (military) personnel? If so, then why are you posting that here, because their commanders inform them of all that. Or am I missing something? Anyway, I would advise all to stay out of the Capital club. The owner is about 50ish and the two chicks are about 30ish. Both look good, have been there for a few years, but won't give you anything but a hard time. If anyone can say otherwise, please let me know. If any of you have ever strolled the Hill during the off (or sometimes on) hours you may have been approached by a short, plump, wig wearing adjuma asking you; "hey, young lady?" Has anyone ever gone with her to check out this young lady that she does the legwork for? One of these times I probably will just out of curiousity.
Arsenic
I know the lady your talking about she always wears a red jacket. My friend went with her once, luckily I was able to get him out of there. She took him to a small apartment on top of the hill and the women she had were not young, or pretty. I was told before by a lady on the hill never go with her.
Dear Arsenic,
Just posted the information because it is a change in conditions in Itaewon. You know the saying … supply and demand. Also, everything the military does seems to have ripple effects on the Itaewon area, and in some cases, the country as a whole. This nuclear issue is chasing away a lot of tourists.
Everyone is saying that the economy is worse than in 1997 and 1998. This could have some effect on the SWT. Also, rumors are that people from the states are looking into Korea’s trafficking tacits.
photoman
photoman,
Mixed blessings with the club restrictions for UFSK. With the supply of military customers cut the demand for cash from unaffected customers will lesson. More bang for the buck. Yet, many of the girls may jump to other unrestricted bars or move elsewhere. Anyone know how much freedom of movement the korean girls have? Their work conditions seem unlike the indentured Filipinas and Russians. The ploy of renaming restricted clubs will no longer work as pictures of these clubs have been distributed and soldiers told that the location itself is off limits. Will see how things play out tonight.
gameover,
Proof about Mindy should be easy enough to get. Pay her, scrutinize the surgeon's quality of work, and you'll see that it just doesn't look right. Though creating a labia majora isn't a great feat, the labia minora and clitoris are impossible to duplicate. Plenty of web sites with shemale pics available for you to familiarize yourself to the look. And if you've spent the money, and conclude that she is post-op, will you finish the deed or walk out?
Anyone know where to get some backdoor action (with a female) in korea? Where girls actually take it up the booty? From experiences korean girls in korea rarely if ever take it up the ass. Can anyone recommend places where girls do?
Also on the topic of hard to get action in korea, anyone know where you can get a 3some with bisexual korean girls? Ive had a 3some in korea previously , but it was very stilted and the girls didn't touch each other at all, basically anywhere where you can vew korea lesbian action?
Thanks in advance.
Hutsori may be right. Friend told me that the Grand Ole Oprey had about 20 Korean women in it Friday night. Normally, she said there are only two or three Korean women regulars there.
Dan-hee (the Chinese chick) is still at the ABC club. Saw her the other night and she mentioned to me that she heard there are photos of her somewhere on the net. If that's true, anybody know the site??
There's a new short-haired "full-bodied" girl at the Royal that seems very anxious to make friends. Anyone have any feedback on her?
Also, Mindy is not the only TS on the hill. The one that works at Coyote Ugly that I mentioned in an earlier post definitely is, also. I was walking past her club, she approached, I simply asked, and she said (in a low-pitched tone) yes. I didn't see the surgeon's handiwork, but there is NO question about this one, so be forewarned.
Arsenic,
Hey man I would love to see a few of the pics that you have. email them to me at deh9018@hotmail.com. I will be going to korea in a few months. I have been there before but it was a while ago(1996) and I know that alot has changed since then. I do not post here but I read alot of the post. If you are wondering about me I post mostly to San Antonio post.
Arsenic:
I'd love to get your photos too: liondale@operamail.com
If GI's are no longer allowed on the hill it certainly didn't show last Saturday night. There were plenty of GI's there checking out the merchandise.
By the way, does anyone have any info about the "Sports Massage" Parlor at the Hamilton Hotel. Much appreciated.
zx5391@yahoo.com
Back after a few days and noticed a few posts about Mindy. I will put my faith in all of you and NOT go check it out for myself (again. whoops! I guess that is why she, indeed, does speak greek)
The Hamilton Sports Massage is pretty good, just like other sports massage/turkey/steam bath places. Girls are decent quality but a bit expensive (200,000)
Found another FS barbershop that is recommendable: In Shinsa-dong, near the Tony Roma's, there is a double spinning pole that says "hyugyetel" or "sports massage", (can't exactly remember. I can remember that there aren't any stripes, however) It has two names, either Sassy or Shocking, both written in Korean. A bit pricy, 120,000 plus tip (I offered 20,000 but the girl simply took 10,000 out of my hand and gave me 10,000 back). Nice oil and face massage in room, then off to the hidden showers. Good shower and body scrub, dried off, on to a full bed, bbbj and doggystyle followed.
Girl late 20s/early 30s. Pretty attractive. Saw another girl (naked in the shower rooms) and she looked good as well. Be careful because the shower stalls are separated by half walls. Naked chick standing on your back is very likely to be having a conversation with another naked chick standing on someone elses back and looking over the partitions.
New curfew in effect for GI's 19:30-0500 starting tomorrow. To those of you this doesn't effect have fun. I know I will regardless.
Ciao
With the new curfew in effect, it should be a buyer's market. Especially down in Songtan, "A Town" or any of the other nightclub areas outside the military bases. If any of you like Russian or Filipino chicks, I recommend checking out places like these.
A quick trip report:
Went with a local to Club Mania. seems to be like a KTV type place but those roomswere full. We went to the third floor where they put us into a Japanese style dining area. low table, feet dangling below the floor, etc . Girls come in. No english spoken.
Total bill was about 1,000 usd for the night. Three bottles of booze, about 10 beers, some fruit, and four girls hanging with us.
At the end of the night, the guy paying the tab asked if I wanted to take my girl with me that he had already paid for it. I declined (coulnd't have that hanging over my head and used against me in negotiations). Asked him how much. The girls were 300,000 kw to take home. one pop. The girls were beautiful, but that's alot of dough.
Was staying at Ritz Carlton in Kangnam. After this, went down the hill towards the Bar street. Turned left into a little alley and went to the first double spinning barber pole. Went downstaris (was told that if it's downstairs, then it's a sure thing that sex will be involved). This was about 2:30 A.M.
Was taken to a small massage table, that only had a curtain covering the front of it.
A good looking, yet a little older-maybe 32 or so) girls comes in and starts massaging my shoulders. It takes her exactly 22 seconds (yup, I was counting) until she grabbed my johnson.
The booth next to me, there was a guy sleeping and snoring like crazy, so that kind of killed the mood. There was activity around the hallways, in which I could see thru the curtain, although they couldnt see in coz it was dark in my cubicle.
The gal pulls my clothes off. gives me a good CBJ. jumps on and starts riding. we do a few positions.
The strange part of this is that there is way too much commotion going on and it's like I'm doing her while others are right next to me. But, it was kind of different.
Price: 80,000 won, all inclusive.
Market survey, I called the number previously posted: (look back a few pages. 555-xxxx. The price for that service is now 200,000 all inclusive. no negotiating.
just me
Just Me,
Excellent report!
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by just me
[i]A quick trip report:
Went with a local to Club Mania. seems to be like a KTV type place but those roomswere full. We went to the third floor where they put us into a Japanese style dining area. low table, feet dangling below the floor, etc . Girls come in. No english spoken.
Total bill was about 1,000 usd for the night. Three bottles of booze, about 10 beers, some fruit, and four girls hanging with us.
At the end of the night, the guy paying the tab asked if I wanted to take my girl with me that he had already paid for it. I declined (coulnd't have that hanging over my head and used against me in negotiations). Asked him how much. The girls were 300,000 kw to take home. one pop. The girls were beautiful, but that's alot of dough.
Was staying at Ritz Carlton in Kangnam. After this, went down the hill towards the Bar street. Turned left into a little alley and went to the first double spinning barber pole. Went downstaris (was told that if it's downstairs, then it's a sure thing that sex will be involved). This was about 2:30 A.M.
Was taken to a small massage table, that only had a curtain covering the front of it.
A good looking, yet a little older-maybe 32 or so) girls comes in and starts massaging my shoulders. It takes her exactly 22 seconds (yup, I was counting) until she grabbed my johnson.
The booth next to me, there was a guy sleeping and snoring like crazy, so that kind of killed the mood. There was activity around the hallways, in which I could see thru the curtain, although they couldnt see in coz it was dark in my cubicle.
The gal pulls my clothes off. gives me a good CBJ. jumps on and starts riding. we do a few positions.
The strange part of this is that there is way too much commotion going on and it's like I'm doing her while others are right next to me. But, it was kind of different.
Price: 80,000 won, all inclusive.
Market survey, I called the number previously posted: (look back a few pages. 555-xxxx. The price for that service is now 200,000 all inclusive. no negotiating.
just me [/i][/QUOTE]
I will be in Seoul the week of April 7th. I am looking for bars or clubs to hook up with non pro girls.
I know that the bottom line costs at the end are the same, even if you don't pay for sex, but still I like the hunting better.
I read a few posts ago about the Hollywood Basement. Where is in Itaewon is this located? Also any other suggestions for similar bars?
Thanks
Anyone going to be in Seoul on tuesday night? I'll be there checking out the action, just wondering if anyone else would be.
Ciao
Anyone know where I can obtain some Viagra in Seoul? And will they sell without a prescription? Thanks
Hi Guys
Been a while since I've posted. Just a couple quick
questions for now.
Can someone post good (cheapest) directions to
Tongduchon?
Hss anyone tried New York Massage in Itaewon
next to Pizza Hut? Prices? Service? etc?
Don't know about Tonduchon but I have tried the New York Massage in Itaewon 2 times. Both times service was KW100,000 for a massage in the barberchair, followed by the shower/body scrub down and FS. One girl was pretty cute, the other not so. She did, however, have HUGE bqqbs and let me shoot all over them.
Went to Dynasty again recently. Remodeled the place, looks pretty nice, and seem to have turned over some of the girls (the reception lady seemed shocked when I asked for my ATF). Oh well, quality does not seem to have gone down one bit, beautiful, young, tall, well dressed and service was actually better than previous experiences (this can always be subject to the girl you're with.) I hate those barbershop uniforms and/or the slutty little outfits some places have for the girls. Dynasty girls always come in dressed like their going to the office. YUM!
Went up on the hill in Itaewon, visited a place called Fantasy. You go up Hooker Hill turn right at the Dae Pyoung Hotel and Fantasy is up the alley on the left. One girl goes by Mi Ya. Has a back room with bed. She is about a 7, very pleasant willing to please. FS BBBJ, BB,sex if you dare, GFE type experience price seems to vary. I stayed about an hour and paid 160,000 won. Two pops no hurry, sure I could have stayed another hour, but had places to go. Went back a week later same experience but this time a little more intense, she likes her work. If you are really serious, I can e-mail you her phone number. Best lay, in 30 years in Korea. I would guess she is mid thirties.
NICO most drug stores will give it to you with out presciption
if they dont just go to another one, finallly someone will..
thats what I do, but now I know a place so I have no worries.
and no I wont tell you where my connection is.. sorry :)
but trust me just go from shop to shop someone will give it to you. speak no korean, act alittle stupid what ever..no worries.
ok next, hollywood basement, ok, you cant miss it, on the main road across from the police station, find burger king you'll find the cop shop, then across the road...
other places worth checking, GEckos, UN bar.. loft on thursdays LADIES NIGHT!! girls drink free, many girls out, TOO many guys out, still you gotta have game ! best man wins!!
Seoulman --> Thank you for the information. I will probably see these places on Wednesday (unfortunately I will leave on Thursday). You think they are still going to be busy?
Dinasty---> is this the Dinasty hotel in Gangnam?
Now a stupid question...where is hooker hill (is it in Itaewon)? This is going to be my 2nd time in Korea and therefore I am not very familiar yet with the city.
Thanks
yes, the is the Dynasty Hotel in Kangnam, across from the Ritz Carlton. Massage on the second floor. Price 190,000 cash/200,000 credit card
wsgtourist
It's been a while since I've been to Iteawon, but as I recall "hooker hill" is accross from the Hamilton Hotel. Sorry I can't recommend some local "cuties". Good hunting, and keep your powder dry.
KPUSSY-
If you don't mind, please forward the phone number of the Fantasy gal to:
lonestarkorea@hotmail.com (be glad to share some mutual info on this matter as well)
I'd be interested to see if she does call-in (I speak Korean so explaining it is no prob).
Thnx.
AM
PS. A round of beers on me if we ever run into each other.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by kpussy
[i]Went up on the hill in Itaewon, visited a place called Fantasy. You go up Hooker Hill turn right at the Dae Pyoung Hotel and Fantasy is up the alley on the left. One girl goes by Mi Ya. Has a back room with bed. She is about a 7, very pleasant willing to please. FS BBBJ, BB,sex if you dare, GFE type experience price seems to vary. I stayed about an hour and paid 160,000 won. Two pops no hurry, sure I could have stayed another hour, but had places to go. Went back a week later same experience but this time a little more intense, she likes her work. If you are really serious, I can e-mail you her phone number. Best lay, in 30 years in Korea. I would guess she is mid thirties. [/i][/QUOTE]
Stopped by Fantasy early Sat eve based on the info below and met Mi Ya. She is probably late 30s (she has a few crows feet around the eyes) and has a nice figure. Very sweet and fun.
The activities were just as described and bb sex could be had. She asked, I said no, she said Ok, then I said I was kidding and to wrap it. WHEW!
I saw her for a short time price of 80,000W which to me was worth it after paying 50,000W at Shin-Yongsan RDL for a not so pretty yobo.
Which brings up a question about Shin-Yongsan. Are foreigners not welcome?? As I walked down the main drag I saw some real lookers (8 to 9.5s) that I would have died to spend time with. But when I waved they looked past me and ignored me. What gives??
I was in Seoul for the first time last week, and a Korean friend drove me to two places:
Yongsan: I was amazed at how pretty and cute these working girls were. They stand in their open glass booths and you drive by and take a look. My friend asked if I (a white guy) would be okay, but the girls said no. Their attitudes ranged from friendly ("me ahn hey yo") to indifferent.
Chunyanee: Even more girls, and this time some would accept non-Koreans. These girls have to be seen to be believed. We don't have this in America!
Anyway, I ended up having great sex with a girl named Yuna for a half-hour, it was W120,000, she was cute and friendly.
Did I overpay? I wanted to bargain, but my friend urged me not to. Was that his inexperience, or is he correct in indicating that negotiating is, as a rule, not acceptable?
It's somewhere in the north of the city. There are two small streets running parallel to each other. Maybe 100 girls. On the side street, near the 7-11, were some girls working in the dark. I walked up to them to get a good look and a price, and they were good-looking and charged $100.
This is a non sex related question.
Where in seoul can I get clove cigarettes. Any info will be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
first wsgtourist!
email me tonight if you get this message..
i will meet you tomorrow night and tell you more..
seoulman101@yahoo.com
ok douglas,.
120.000 is not bad, because usually the koreans have to pay 60.000 for 15 minutes or less, so you got more time because korean hookers think we last longer and have different sex style thats just one of the reason why the hookers wont go with us,,
cock size, sex style, and if korean men see these girls doing foreigners they will call them sluts, hahahah and they will not go to their store again.. that comes down to korean men phobia for western men etc....
ohh also we all have aids!! :)
sinyoungsan they wont take foreigners!!! even though some might wont too, of the other girls see a girl take a foreigner they will reject her in drinks and social scene after work as she will be regarded as dirty..hahahah again hello!!!
miari is the sure bet, 588 choengyangri somtimes you can get laid,but again not much luck in peek time with many koreans walking around... they are the problem!!! korean men are racist and jealous!!
thats why they are banned from hollywood basement!!
because they get all jealous and start to cock block so they got banned about 5 years ago,,good!!!
they will block you even if they dont even know the girl..just approach her and tell her not to date him and pull that oppa big korean brother card.. most regulars to korea and residents know what i am talking about!
so miari for paid sex!!
and there you pay the local rates.. 60-70.000 a nut!!
I am going to seoul for one week, the 12th through the 20th. I found most of the posts here very interesting and very informative. However, I wonder where to go in seoul to find women who just want to have sex with an american (probably not many these days). I don't speak the language. so i don't want to get caught up with the pros. although I may check out the glass houses just to see the girls. But what nightclubs and on what nights are best to find the average korean woman who is just seeking some fun. I don't want to find out I just ran up a horrendous bar tab. any help would be greatly appreciated. Also I read alot about the use of condoms. is disease theat prevalent? what about your average girl?
Thanks.
Great posts, great directions. I am new to Korea, and I am more informed than the guys with whom I am hanging, and some of these have been in Korea of years. I must say, though, that I am ignorant about a lot of the various places and place names. My questions stems from this ignorance: Where is Kangnam? Is this an area or a subway station or both? I am interested in checking out the TB at the Dynasty.
Nico, I would like the make the trip to Yong Joo Gol with you if you go again (and if you want a fellow scoper as company).
Wolf, can I get the number of your masseuse?
amolatinitas@yahoo.com
Carrick,
Kangnam is an area south of the Han River and a subway station also. My advice either take a cab and tell the driver Dynasty Hotel in Kang Nam or take the subway get off at Kangnam and then take a Taxi.
As far as regular girls, they hang out here the same place regular girls in the US do. Go to the Hollywood Club downstairs in Itaewon on a Friday or Saturday night. Mixed crowd, curious, expats, soldiers, some pros filter in after their work closes.
Also the bars at some of the major hotels sometimes produce finds, but like the West require effort, time. monye. Chance of scoring on the first try are not good.
As far as disease, if you don't know where the pussy has been, you have to assume that you need a condom. The K-girls are in general chaste and don't sleep around, but times are changing. Folks talk about BB here, and except for maybe a BBBJ, keep BB for your private stock pussy.
I would be visiting Seoul soon. Does anyone here know Noraebang places in Kangnam where they furnish girls? Specific information is much appreciated in advance.
kpussy
Search the boards, if you had read my post from a few months ago it could have saved you some money. But anyway I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nico
[i] Fantasy club is a nice club that I frequent, it has a nice small bar and a seperate bedroom in the back. There is only one girl that works there and I don't recall her name. First time I went there I paid 80,000 and she told me when I came back that it would be 60,000 next time. [/i][/QUOTE]
Carrick I am currently on holiday but will return in a few weeks.
Ciao
Carrick:
Gangnam literally means "south of the river" and is generally used to refer to a fairly large district. There is also a Gangnam Station on the green/#2 line that lets you off into an business/entertainment district that caters to a fairly young crowd.
To get to the Dynasty by subway, you'll want to exit either at Gangnam Station (green/#2 line) or Nonhyun Station (dark green/#7 line). Coming out of Gangnam Station, walk north until to reach a major intersection with the new Kyobo building on your left. Turn right and walk up a small hill (you are still on a major street). On the right side of this street is the Ritz Carlton and the Novotel hotels. On the left is the Dynasty. TB is on the 2nd fl.
Coming out of Nonhyun, walk south until you get to that Kyobo building, turn left and walk up the hill.
Easiest way is to take a taxi to the Ritz Carlton and just walk across the street.
Have fun! Again prices as I recall are 190,000 cash and 200,000 credit
Re: Seoul Hilton 395, 5-ga, Namdaemun-ro, Chung-gu,
I will be in and out of Seoul very briefly, for just one night, and I will have no time to “hunt”.
Can anyone tell me if there is any FS right in the Seoul Hilton (i.e., Barber Shop with mattress on the floor, or Turkey Massage, or Sports Massage?)
Is there anything real hot and immediately adjacent to the Seoul Hilton?
Giving back, if any of you want a nice lead for some very high end, very exclusive Penthouse model quality escorts in Seoul, write to me discretely off of the board at - -
[email]just_a_nice_old_guy@yahoo.com[/email]
(the mama san wants discretion, and no Internet exposure)
Byeon Kwang Sae
Isn't "Jackson" a genius. I post a question, and two kindly gentlemen respond with pin-point directions. Thank you, boys.
You will probably respond with..."Yo bee atch, you ain't my mother," but kpussy brings to light a very important point: "Cover your stump before you hump."
One last point, I went to Miari last week and had no problems with getting service there. I will say, however, that the gal I chose looked really pretty and really slim--until I get her out of that Abdul-the-tent-maker dress she was wearing. Choose carefully.
If there are any posters out there who frequent upscale establishments, specifically room salons with English-speaking gals that will 2-cha (come to the hotel afterward), please make yourself known (or just leave some info here).
There's one room salon I posted about a while back (Leaders Club in Yoido) that has now moved operations to Yongdeungpo. Good quality, nice stable of talent, some English speakers, and relatively inexpensive for an upscale RS (expect 1.6 - 1.7 mil. for 2 guys inclusive of room charges, booze, food, hoting charges, and 'desert')
If anyone needs more info on this, email me at lonestarkorea@hotmail.com
Cheers.
Greetings fellas. Here's some info on upscale activities. It's a site I made when I was bored stiff at the office one day and haven't checked in months, but it apparently got a good amount of hits so here it is again.
[url]http://www.geocities.com/songtan_son/seoul[/url]
AssetMan-mach lieber mal deinen scheiss computer mal aus wenn du das buero verlaesst weil sonst neugierige leute wie ich den quatsch lesen koennen :-)
Went on the hill in Itaewon after a company dinner to show a new guy the lay of the land. Very quiet It was early about 7:30 but still it was Friday night. We went to Lady Luck which is an expatriate place on the corner of the hill, where if you turn left you head to the mosque. Indian Joes is right below it.
I have been a patron of Lady Luck for almost 24 years and was just going to see how the new owner was doing. It has not traditionally been a pick-up bar. Usually office girls free lancing strictly to hustle drinks. Big tall full figured girl in the place. Not fat but not you typical no meat on the bones bar girl. Bought a few drinks, gave her a good massage, she put my hands on her bare back and eventually buttocks. Kept massaging. She gave me one also, but she has had a lot less practice than me. Danced ,he bit my ear and mentioned that I was making her horny. Never had a Lady Luck girl do this.
My friend was with me and he was stuck with Mama-san who is a little older and not as good looking as my friend. So we called it a night but I made an appointment to go back on the 16th and see what I can scare up. Drinks are cheap here, if you are a first time comer the first Insam Ju (Ginseng Wine) is on the house.
All the usually gals were hanging in the doorways as we went down the hill.
About the Hilton …
Just down the hill from the Hilton toward Seoul Station was traditionally an area for young girls. I trolled through there many times searching, and I saw the old women out there, so I knew there was something to the place. However, they were extremely foreigner-unfriendly.
One time I finally connected with the ajumas to be hooked up with an early-30s woman. Performance was adequate, but the woman definitely was not a pro. I think she was just looking for a quick 50,000 won. I have not been back in about four years, so I don’t know what the area is like.
Supply and demand
News reports are predicting the Korean economy is taking a dive. Will this increase the supply of talent, and decrease the demand from local customers? If so, this should lower prices, but I don’t think there ever will be a discount on SW services.
Stopped at a barbershop couple weeks ago, and was surprised to be told up front the cost was 60,000 won. Maybe she was afraid I wouldn’t pay afterwards. Woman was a little heavy, but FS again was adequate.
Sundays?
There was the comment about Miari being more foreigner friendly. I was up there a few weeks ago about 5:30 on a Sunday afternoon. It took me about 30 minutes of walking the alleys to get a bite. Even the old women sitting outside would not ask me for “young girl.” Finally came upon one of the “stores” that was open, and was invited in.
I asked for short, skinny girl, but that’s not what I got. She looked OK, but when I tried to negotiate a double round, she wanted twice as much –140,000 won. There was no discount.
Sundays are not the best for hunting. It looks like a lot of the girls are on holiday, and most of the barbershops are closed. Mondays seem to be OK because there are few Korean men out hunting.
kpussy-
Would love to have a beer with you sometime as I'm almost positive that we at least recognize each other considering our combined years in country (ever notice a punk kid in the ole Sportsmans Club with his dad? that would be moi^^) I used to sit on Uncle Tom's lap as a kid.
AM
Hello everyone,
I'm staying in one of the hotels above the COEX mall and was wondering if there are any upscale turkish baths or barber shops. I'm not interested in having sex but just want to try out a decent turkish bath and/or massage at the barber shop.
I know there is a galleria barber shop and sports massage. Was wondering if anyone of you regulars have been there or any other places around COEX.
Thanks in advance!
Dudes, love reading these posts. It seems a lot of you stay at some classy places when you are in Seoul, and have the cash to pay the ladies. If at all possible, would anyone be interested in fessing up as to what they do for a living? I am interested in getting back to Seoul by the end of the year--but living a better standard of living than I have previously. I have the education to do it, but apparently not the resources or connections.
Hey Paddy23
Went to that barbershop in Yoeksom Station the other day and was pleased with the looks of the girl but the service left something to be desired. Do you have to ask for 69 action, etc. or did I just have the wrong girl. I don't really know how to explain to the girl what I want due to the language barrier though I suppose I could use body language. Anyway any pointers would help.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]Dudes, love reading these posts. It seems a lot of you stay at some classy places when you are in Seoul, and have the cash to pay the ladies. If at all possible, would anyone be interested in fessing up as to what they do for a living? I am interested in getting back to Seoul by the end of the year--but living a better standard of living than I have previously. I have the education to do it, but apparently not the resources or connections. [/i][/QUOTE]
The Survivor is in pharmaceuticals.
Originally posted by TheContinental
Dudes, love reading these posts. It seems a lot of you stay at some classy places when you are in Seoul, and have the cash to pay the ladies. If at all possible, would anyone be interested in fessing up as to what they do for a living? I am interested in getting back to Seoul by the end of the year--but living a better standard of living than I have previously. I have the education to do it, but apparently not the resources or connections.
Assetman is is in asset management
[i]If at all possible, would anyone be interested in fessing up as to what they do for a living?[/i]
I’m a freelance economics consultant, but things are really, really slow now and not about to pick up anytime soon, so I’m looking for something else.
Seoulvisitor: I’m unaware of anything around COEX. That’s mostly a teen hangout, if I remember correctly. Nice place to look at young girls though. Also check out the aquarium – admission is cheap and it’s impressive.
Things seem to be going pretty tough in Korea right now, from what I hear. I’m not a fan of this new President at all. At least the anti-foreigner sentiment is going down…or at least not as visible as before.
Just curious, have there been any SARS cases in South Korea? I haven’t heard of any. HK and Southern China are just wrecked because of it. Looks like it has spread to Beijing now.
I finally made it over to Chang An Dong. Famous for having
many barber shops along one strip. The place I went to was
called (if I remember correctly and my reading of the Korean was OK) was Ka Gee No. Was a very busy place with many small
rooms (maybe 20) on either side of the hallway. Mostly cute
relatively young girls. My girl was very petite and sexy an probably mid twenties. Was taken into a small room with barber
chair. Took off my clothes and put on a large pair of boxer shorts
given me. Lay down on the reclined chair and got a good shave and hot towel on the face etc. The she washed my feet in a sink at the base of the chair and massaged my feet with fingers and her nails. I was also given a short masage. Then I was led into
another room with a shower and a bed. I lay on the bed while she washed me back and front. Then she put a large hot towel
over my back as I laid face down. She then walked on ,my back for
about 5 minutes. Felt great! Next she covered herself in soap
and gave me the body to body rub down front and back. Then she rinsed me off again and started to kiss and lick me all over.
Then she reached for a condom and climed on top. This was
a bit of a let down as she kept complaining I was "large size"
She quickly got off me saying she hurt and suggested I go on top.
She complaind about pain the whole time and I tried to ignore her. I finished off doggy style. Overall was a good time but a bit of a turn off at the end with her whining. Sorry I can't tell you the
price as it was paid by a Korean friend . She did ask me for a tip
and I gave 20,000 not really knowing what is customary. We took a cab from Cheongriangri to get there - about 4500W. I saw the
subway station afterwards. It was Janghanpyeong Station on
line 5. It is obvious where to go from there as the station is at one end of the strip. Just head toward the lights. I believe the place I was in would be 2nd on the right walking from the subway.But there are many places in the next 4-5 blocks. I'm guessing the cost was around 100,000W. Maybe some one could post if they know.
Re posts about RLD's : I have noticed that many more girls at 588
and Sinyonsan are waving to me as I walk past . Not the A girls
but a few A - and B's . You can find a few cuties in Sinyonsan in
the back alleys. I still recomend Miari though as you get much more time for less money. I can often bargain for 50,000 for an hour. In the others you'll get around 20 minutes for 70,000. Can bargain to 60 or 50,000 W with B girls in Yongsan. Someone posted that they had trouble getting accepted in Miari. I have never had a probalem and find that nearly half of the places will call to you once you get into the inner areas. The ones closest to the street will ignore you.
Re Itaewon: Drink and party , and pick up non pros in the
bars but for sex I recomend Miari. The Juicy girls on the hill
will lie and say anything to squeeze you dry . They are good at it.
Beware. They wouldn't care if it was the money for your mothers operation. There are a few places though if you insist:
Dallas - good blow job bar - 10,000 W drinks.
Row club - Gina is very sweet and although she quotes 120,000 for sex at her apartment she will go for 80,000W for 40 ninutes.
Fantasy: recomended by many here - havn't been in since it re opened.
Nymph: older girl with glasses ( and newly bought implants) that used to be at the Cabin will always give a blowjob/hand job
for 20,000 W . Buy one drink. Insist on 10,000W. (She'll always ask for 20,000) She will suck you for a while before asking for anoter drink. Then ask her to finish you off for a 2nd 10,0000W. If you pay the 20,000 upfront you will only get the handjob. She complains but will always go for it. If you have struck out and are heading home she is a cheap way to finsh the night off.
Avoid : One More Try - have been 3 times with different girls
all were a rip off
I highly recommend Itaewon as the place to meet Korean girls .
Hollywood Basement and Seoul Pub have been good to me! No trouble getting laid in Itaewon.
SoLong69,
If you're referring to the Yeoksam barbershop down the alley from the Starbucks, I'm surprised you weren't able to get what you want. I would forget about subtle body language; if you want 69, reach down, grab her legs, and swing her around until she is sitting on your face. Always worked for me, never had a complaint.
I posted before about Dynasty Hotel maybe having a switch in management/girls. EXTREMELY HAPPY to say that I was wrong and was able to see my ATF there recently. Better and better each time. Much better experience there if 1) you're a regular and 2) you speak Korean.
stud_lee, and others, if interested, please write to me - - I occasionally have opportunities for freelance consultants in (1.)Engineering; (2.)Finance; (3.)Construction. My focus is all of Asia, and also the Middle East.
Byeon Kwang Sae
[email]just_a_nice_old_guy@yahoo.com[/email]
Okay, as a first time writer, I've read almost all the recent posts and had no idea about the quality of barber shops around Seoul. I did go to one a long time ago, but from the sounds of things I got shafted (no pun intended). It was fun but nowhere near the experience like I've read about!
As far as the posts for Hooker Hill, I agree with most of them, It's a hit or miss on some nights if you don't have a regular girl. I stopped doing the ladies drink thing a few months after I got here and as soon as I realized that 100,000 Won will get you laid if you know what you're doing! I usually go to the place right at the top of the Hill across from Polly Kettle's.
Last time I went to the Hill (Feb. 2003) I got a wild semi-Ajumma but of course I didn't see how old she was until it was too late, She was pretty sexy for her age though.
Anyway, she spoke just a little English, and she was trying to rush me throuh it when I protested, and she got all excited and called in her friend from next door. We soon got that settled. Then she took me on a wild ride! She let me lick her pussy for at least 10 minutes, then we screwed for at least an hour. For an older woman, she was very tight and it ended up being one of the best nights I've ever had up there!
So anyway, I just got back from the Phillipines where fery few of the women are older than 24, and some are only 18.
Does anyone have any idea where I can find young Filipino or Korean working girls?
Sports Massage Report
Kangnam Station
I called every girl in my cell but none were available. Had dinner in Kangnam and decided to look for a Sports Massage place. I went into the first place I saw and got a warm welcome from two women (no Korean guys - amazing).
I do speak Korean well so I asked about the service. It is great to hear the girls describe the process (this is my favorite part). "Shower, hottub, face massage, body massage, oils massage with tits and lips, ass lick, blow, and sex." The counter girl was pretty cute and innocent looking and I almost asked if she was available.
OK. Here is my visa. As usual you couldn't see the girls first (only in Korea). The counter girl did promise to send my a really pretty one. Cept for her saggy ass, this girl was fine - and I have had some fine 700,000 won RS *****s to compare to. Pretty face, super firm & sweet b cups, skin of a 10 year old, etc. But she had a little loose chink in her ass. Her name was "Meng Doo" - or "Cherry"
Anyway, she started off a little shy and didn't smile but about half way she started to get into it. And once I blew she was like a girlfriend. She did the condom in the mouth blow thing. They use decent condoms - it makes a BIG difference. She said they were from the US. I didn't look closely but I think they were polyurethane. Oil masssage and fuck was decent.
I talked with the management. They welcome "western" foreigners.
hstotal@mac.com
Seoulmate excellent post--always good to hear of new places I haven't been in Seoul, even if it is about prostitutes.
Thanks all for queing me in as to your respective industries. Just curious. Hopefully I will be able to get back and hit the ground running as far as employment etc.
Although I am not exactly an expert on the Hill, my very occasional forays there have been expensive. This board has been an eye-opener as to just how much I was being taken for! I know one night I layed down at least W400,000 at that place on the corner at the bottom of Hooker Hill. The lady came home with me, but complained when I wouldn't let her sleep! I am sure, in retrospect, she was drinking water, not soju, and I paid 75,000 for it.
PattayaDan,
Your post obviously begs the questions: Where and How Much?
I try to keep myself abreast of the local steam bath/sports massage places and have a few of my favorites (check my other posts). Would love to add another to my rounds.
Was this a hotel establishment, an independent (there are a few around) or a glorified barbershop (some are OK, but most are simply glorified barbershops)?
I'll add another to my previous posts in trade for your new info. There is a place just outside Hakdong Station (No7/dark green line). Just next to a Japanese restaurant. Quality of girls (in my few trips over the years) varies but my most recent was pretty nice, and the service was wonderful. It's on the south side of the major street that runs along. If you can read Korean, its obviously a massage place that is not a barbershop. I think it says Sports Massage, and there is Japanese Katakana in addition to the Korean script.
Are there any stripclubs in Seoul? Or is it basically just sex joints? Also does anyone know any informaiton about the Ahyeon area...I noticed by the subway station there seems to be girls at like this little small bars with red lights coming out of the door.
As for these Barbershop pole places...do you have to ask for sex? I went to one...just paid 60,000...and got a massage and handjob..if i want more do i have to ask for it first?
and you know all those motels with barbershop poles? why kind of service can you get there? do you sleep there and girls come into your room or something?
and one last thing i was in the yeondongpo area....and an ajjuma on the street came up to me and asked if i wanted a girl...i was a bit suprised..it was a bit random...anyways...i declined...has anyone tried this? are the girls usual busted? what can i expect?
thanks!
As for those old ajummas on the street in Yongdungpo, I made the mistake of following one of them back down the little alleys once. Man that is one seedy area! She said something in Korean about a pretty lady, and who walks in but an overweight guy in a pink tutu!!!!!! I'd given her W30,000 already, so I asked for someone else. Then a 40 something ajumma came in and tried to give me a HJ, but I was so traumatized that my john thomas wasn't up to it.
I have seen a couple of hottish looking 30-somethings, basically the barbershop-level ladies, standing nearer to the subway st. and trying to pull in younger guys. I was tempted but didn't persue. Also, across the street, sort of behind the red-light strip, which seems very foreigner-unfriendly, there were also a couple of barbershop types who seemed friendly, but I didn't persue.
Is Ahyeon near Ewha univ.? They are probably old style "Cha-jips" or tea rooms. The bars on the Hill are modeled after this style apparently. They're 100% Korean as far as I know, but if your fluent you probably would do well there, and it's probably cheaper than the Hill as well. I know of another street of such bars on the main street between S(h)indang station on the green line and Cheonggu st. on the purple & #6 lines. Only after 7 or 8 pm though.
Happy Hunting.
Gameover
OK, let's see. If you are walking from Kangnam station going north (on the east side of Kangnamdaero) you will pass McDonald's. Keep going another block or so and turn at the convenience store Ministop). Up the rode about 25 meters> City Sport Massage. I think the sign is only in Korean but you can't miss it as it is obvious. Looks like a small motel. Just smile and tell them Kenny sent you.
Ask to see the girls. Of course they will say no - but they will be concerned and make sure you get a finer one.
Ask for "Seng Doo" or Cherry in English if you want to be safe. She is pretty good for what one normally gets in a massage place.
email if you have further questions or want to trade some more.
Strip clubs are illegal in Korea. There are a few but they usually suck. But you can certainly hire one to give you a personal strip show. Pick up any of the "business cards" that are placed on cars and call them. They will send a girl to your house or room. Tell her you want her to strip.
Hi Guys
Does South Korean has any web site that has photo of working girls to choose from? TIA
Someone mentioned Ewha University. That used to be a fairly good place to meet non-pro Korean ladies. I wonder what it's like today. Anyone have any insight into that?
That's a story long time ago, I guess. How about night clubs in Kangnam and Itaewon, not for foreigners but for Koreans?
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stud_lee
[i]Someone mentioned Ewha University. That used to be a fairly good place to meet non-pro Korean ladies. I wonder what it's like today. Anyone have any insight into that? [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AMPGuest
[i]Hi Guys
Does South Korean has any web site that has photo of working girls to choose from? TIA [/i][/QUOTE]
AMPGuest,
It's completely illegal. And if there is one, it could be a fake by 99 percently.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by daniel_you
[i]That's a story long time ago, I guess. How about night clubs in Kangnam and Itaewon, not for foreigners but for Koreans?
Daniel [/i][/QUOTE]
Hi, Daniel. Thanks for the reply.
I always thought that Kangnam was foreigner unfriendly. Maybe it's better for the locals.
As for Itaewon, I don't remember seeing many -- if any -- local male clientele at any of the places I went to. I was always under the impression that girls at Itaewon go mostly to meet foreign guys. Not to say that locals don't go and they don't hook up in Itaewon, it could well be the case, but I never saw any in my jaunts there. Perhaps you could go with a foreign friend?
Sorry...I stand corrected. I did indeed go with a Korean (albeit he's from Canada) friend to Itaewon. We didn't hook up that time, as it was during the day, but we certainly met a few girls and we probably could have done something if we pursued the matter further. I think you'll do fine...
One more thing. Isn't pornography illegal in the ROK? I always thought it was. But you always see sights like sexhary.com or kgirls.org. How do they manage to get through?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by stud_lee
[i]One more thing. Isn't pornography illegal in the ROK? I always thought it was. But you always see sights like sexhary.com or kgirls.org. How do they manage to get through? [/i][/QUOTE]
Stud_lee,
Corrent. Pornography is completely illegal in Korea. But the sites you have mentioned and of similar kinds are based in the U.S. and only the service language is Korean.
Daniel
Followup on my post from the Taegu. I went back to the Lucky Club which is up the street on the right from the V across from CP Henry. If you go straight it goes to CP George, and the Crown club. If you take the other road of the V the Paradise Club(now reopened is on the left, and the Lucky Lounge is on the left about a block and a half. It is downstairs.
Don't waste you money on the cute young girl behind the bar. She is !. air head 2. dickhead, 3. has a GI boyfriend.(she does have cute looking tits)
There is Chu Hee who used to be at Josephines, big butt and tits seems pretty friendly and then a shorter little bit older gal (35?) that used to work at MaMa Lees. She has a nice body, will go out for the whole night (270,000W) and will screw your brains out. Took her to a hotel. Total GFE (I had bought some drinks a month ago so not the first contact) Woke up in the moring and Mr. Happy was up again, and one more time total GFE. She did not complain but did note that I got my monies worth. Afteward she took an hour long shower/preening. Did not want to leave her in the hotel room, so it almost made me late to a meeting.
I did not ask for anal, but she did anything else I asked.
They damn sure know how to do it in Honk Kong, they have just as many varieties of prostitution as in Korea, PLUS they have all of the western-style “callgirl” and escort services, that advertise in magazines, and in the yellow pages, and of course on the Internet.
Check this out, I think it is pretty cool - -
[url]http://******.com/php/memberDetail.php?id=583[/url]
Ain’t she a beauty? ?
Notice that the bottom three photos on her web page show her apartment building, and even show her front door, so that even a totally clueless blue-eyed white-devil barbarian that speaks no Mandarin (or Cantonese) can find her incall location. Very foreigner-friendly, da? In fact, I would bet that I could give a print-out of her web page to most any hotel doorman, and he would call and make an appointment, and I bet that if I handed a print-out of her web-page to most any HK taxi driver, that I would get dropped off at the right apartment building. It doesn’t get more foreigner-friendly than that . . .
Would it be illegal for a Korean girl, if she were so inclined, to imitate the same Hong Kong advertising scheme, like in the above linked webpage?
Just wondering.
Over and out,
Byeon Kwang Sae
I'd fuck her!!
she has some nice tits!!!
regarding the korean porn sits and korean Videos..
sites like live69.com and live10.com and momotv etc..
all these hardcore video sites are koreans living abroad, some of course are here and they are doing it illegally, BUT!
the sites all have outside servers!! thats the only one they can stay alive!!!
Bad news first:
Had a Dutch pal muscle me into going to Itaewon (*sigh*) last night.
Went to this bar called Helios. I was actually moderately suprised at the tasteful interior & good service. Which is pretty much where it ended. The clientele, although at first seemingly a nice mix of Korean and Western late 20s/30s/40s, turns out to be the usual Itaewon cocktail of lower-strata folks one tends to run into there.
ESL 'teachers" (most of whom I wouldn't trust teaching my dog), a few GIs, the odd businessman who is probably staying at the Hyatt and was told that Itaewon is THE place to go for foreigners, 'language-exchange' girlies, off-duty bargirls. 'Nuff said.
Avoid, avoid, avoid.
Good news:
After threatening my pal that I'd dump a pound of sugar into the tank of his brand new Lexus if he forced me to continue drinking in "the ville" we found a nice little ttal-lan-ju-jom in the street leading down past the Cheil Communications building to Hannam dong. About halfway down right across from the Soonchonyang Hospital. Establishment's name is Turbo if I recall correctly. Got 2 cuties aged 20, 2 bottles of Chivas, and the usual platters of food.
Costs including take-out: KRW 1.5 mil. Got 2 rooms at the Hamilton (decent room rate at 100K inclusive VAT ). Not a bad gig for a total of less than 1 mil. each for the whole night. Mine stayed till breakfast, multiple sessions and I actually think she was into it....:-)
All in all the best ttal-lan-ju-jom I've been to in a while but still nowhere close to room salon quality. They were definitely cute but not hi-clock.
assetman,
I'd be interested in hearing more about your latest adventure. Are you fluent in Hangul? Would someone with moderate to beginner Hangul get by at this place?
I'm about to make my quarterly trip, and I'd be interested in possibly visiting this place. Can you contact me at saik_eul@yahoo.com for some more questions?
thanks
A friend at my work casually mentioned about a RLD near Bucheon Station. I didn't want to inquired further because I don't want to blow my cover! We hobbiests have to be cautious about such things. Anyway, does anyone have directions to the reported RLD near Bucheon Station?
Carrick,
Just get the train to bucheon station, when you go up the stairs and exit the turnstiles, turn right and go down the steps. Turn ledt and you will see 10-15 doorways with girls sitting at the entrances....some of them are fairly hot, problem is they do not accept foreigners..or at least not in my experience.
On another note, the area surrounding Sillim station is full of sports massage places, I counted at least 7 in one particular area, as well as the usual barber shops, room salons etc...
will make a trip to one soon and report back.
Also saw a 'gentlemen massage club' sign over a doorway beside
Soonsgsil University stop (line 7)..exit 2, walk straight, its on your left after about 1/2 mins. Has anybody tried it? the english writing would indicate its foreigner friendly (i presume anyway)
Assetman, I am regularly brought to the verge of tears by your poignant posts, God help you for having to fraternise with the great unwashed. You are obviously a man of great means (your friend has a brand new lexus after all) surely you deserve better?
Paddy23,
Thanks for the tips on Bucheon, et. al. When you are ready to hit Sillim, give a shout if you want company.
amolatinitas@yahoo.com
Paddy23,
I usually don't reply to troll posts, but it's a holiday^^.
So why all the hate, pal? I simply post here to share my experiences with other, similarly-minded and -situated folks on this board. If you for some reason do not fall into this category (financial status, jaded-foreigner syndrome, etc), why not just skip over my posts? I'd hate to be the source of tears.
Seriously, I'm not the elitist type. However, most of the non-professional expats (ESL teachers, GIs, etc. - the ones you appropriately refer to as "the great unwashed") I see around are GENERALLY not exactly the kind I'd want marrying my sis.
As to your "You are obviously a man of great means (your friend has a brand new lexus after all) surely you deserve better?"-quip:
Wealth is really relative, isn't it? To you, a night in a room salon may represent a month's wage. To me, it may represent a couple of days' income. A certain CEO I know has no qualms about spending 10 million won on a supermodel for a night - regularly. All of us are out of SOMEBODY's league, aren't we?
In the end, all poon is effectively similar, but sometimes it's the way of getting it that provides the variety.
Lighten up.
Went to the barbershop near Starbucks by Yeoksam st. tonight..again a great service. Strawberry was the girls name, 25, petite build, great ass..
usual scenario, bbbj, fs in a number of positions and even kissing..she was a true gfe, and had a great fun attitude.spoke no english but definitely reccomended.
Earlier I had rang one of those number on the cards you see littered on the streets..I cannot speak korean that well, but managed to work out that they do accept foreigners and would have cost me 150,000 won for 50 mins..that was short time according to the guy on the phone, didn't ask about long time.
Decided to pass and went to the above bs instead.
Assetman, my post was meant more tongue in cheek than anything else, I just felt you seem to refer a lot to the 'quality'of the clientele you observe around the place..I take your point about not wanting most of them marrying your sister, but how many people on this board would you want marrying her either?
But in my experiences in Itaewon it has been the 'professionals' who have been acting obnoxious...money has nothing to do with the quality of a person..anyway, your posts are always informative and I enjoy reading them...:)
Paddy,
GFE at a BS? Excellent. Those are pretty much a dying breed. I might have to muscle you into taking me along one day.
PS. Points well taken. (and no, I definitely would not want my dear innocent sis to fall for any of the mongers on this board, hehe) Beers on me if we ever run into each other.
BS near Starbucks:
You know, I think I was the first to put the place on this board but my experiences there have actually gotten worse. Haven't seen the hot ones of the past, now I'm getting older and definitely more skanky.
Don't get me wrong, the service is always excellent but I just don't get the same kick out of older women dressed like little sluts.
Now, the younger ones in the past and the 25 year old petite Strawberry are a completely different story......
Looking for BDSM in Seoul.
Anyone has an idea where one could find some BDSM clubs and maybe girls that are submissive and into bondage and spanking?
Slayer
Dudes, this board has gotten quiet lately.
Anyway, I was just wondering if anyone might give me the low-down on the situation between foreign men and Korean women nowadays. I am not talking about freelancers, SWs, or BGs. I amtalkng about young ladies on the town. Still possible to meet and have a Korean GF, or just a one nighter after a long night at teh club or the Hyatt? More difficult or about the same?
slayerone:
if you want BDSM, go somewhere else. Korea's way too conservative.
[b]barbershop report[/b]
i hit the "finkl" barbershop near yeoksam station today and had a very good time. there are two ladies there who are first rate fellatrices. the barbershop wants w100,000 (w110,000 for credit) and the ladies usually try to wangle a tip. when the service is like this, i'll tip. it's not the w40,000 bareback butt fuck that some itaewon penny-saver rangers boast of, but all in all, i like it.
one of them, going by the name "star" (byeol), is a fantastic deep-throater...down to the short-n-curlies. star showed me her skills by first sucking my fingers all the way down her throat. in fact, in our second go-round of the afternoon i facefucked her quite enthusiastically in the 69 position, eventually filling her mouth up with spunk. star is a little bit chubby but sexy in a trashy permed-hair sort of way. we fucked in a very wide variety of positions and she sucked and tongued my freshly scrubbed asshole without me having to ask.
the other girl is the "strawberry" (ddal-gi) who's been reviewed here before. she is a thin girl with a long, thin face. strawberry is also an *excellent* cocksucker and a bit of a drooljobber actually. with her hand stroking my slimy cock i was in hobbyist heaven. no ass-rim, no facefuck, but her tight young body and long legs were what the doctor ordered.
both girls were quite vocal, and so were the rest of the staff. this basement barbershop was awash in the slurping and yelping sounds of couples fucking away.
my old favorite barbershop was also in the yeoksam station area, but it closed up about a year ago. that one had a young madam in charge, and she used to suck me off if i had to wait for one of her young & fine charges to finish up with another guest. this madam used to take it in the pooper with a smile, which i thoroughly enjoyed. she seemed to be a completely filthy nymphomaniac herself, and called me whenever she got a new hottie in the shop. it's a tragedy that she quit the business.
strawberry and star both have proposed doing it as a threesome. maybe next time. having popped three nuts in the 90 minutes i was down there today, i didn't think anybody should have to work so hard for the fourth one. especially not me.
why are these girls so good at what they do? i can't be sure, but the back-room presence of the video cassette player full of anabolic buttfuck videos could explain some of it.
Nice report seoul survivor, any other barber shops you reccomend?
Went to a love motel the other night, just out of curiosity as iI wanted to call one of the girls on the cards that litter the streets.
The guy at the motel was pretty friendly and could speak some english. Said that all the cards were from the same business with the same girls.
He rang one of the cards and a girl turned up, not to my taste so sent here away..the cost was 150,000 for 50 mins plus the 25,000 room rate.
When I came downstairs the guy was very apologetic, he seemed pissed that a older, not so pretty girl had showed up. He then showed me some under the counter porn, some bad quality asian hardcore and an american anal video. I explained I wanted a younger busty girl so he said he could ring a different number, for 100,000.
The girl that showed up was not a disappointment. Small, busty with a wicked smile, she could speak english and looked and acted like a Thai bar girl.
WE showered, then massage, bbbj, rimming, fucking in a variety of positions..she was very vocal and loved to talk dirty. In the end she gave me an great hj, and kept saying "me hungry, me wanna taste you". When I did come, she gobbled it up..
Afterwards she gave her cellphone number to me and said she doesnt like korean men..Have since seen her for food and fucking at my place..no charge, bar the dinner.I got lucky but who knows how many of these girls want a western 'boyfriend'
On another note, was in Itaewon last night in Limelight club. That place seems to have overtaken Hollywoods as the main pick up joint in the area. Also has girls available as I saw a few Russinas coming out of private back rooms. Some extrememly sexy russian dancers too. As always in Itaewon, not too difficult to pick up a girl, got phone number..meeting her tonite at her place..keep my fingers crossed!
Seoul Survivor,
Great report from the FinKL BS. I think I've seen Star before: shorter, a bit chubby, older, long ringlet-like hair. Definitely a pornqueen, have to agree, but not really my style.
There is one girl there with a buddhist symbol (backward swastika-looking thing) on her tits. Anyone know this one's name? By far the best looking of the crowd and I'd love to find out if she can get as nasty as the others.
And for those still with questions after the Survivor's report: This place can get NASTY!!
Seoul Survivor,
Could you post the directions to the interesting FinKL BS ?
Do any of these girls speak some English ? What would be a better time during the day to show up and make sure to have one of them working ?
Thank you for your kind help
Wolf
Greetings to everyone!!!
I am new here. My friend introduced this place to me.
I have also been to Pinkl.
I have met one girl there but I do not remember her name (Sorry)
She is about 5'7 and around 135 lbs with short hair (it does not pas her neck). Her face is about a 7 out of 10 (just my 2 cents.) But her service is about a 9 out of 10. She does french kiss and you can do oral to every part of her body. But you have to wear a condom while having intercourse.
In order to get there, you will see a Starbucks at Yoeksam station. If you stand in front of the main entrance, you will see a small alley. Go there. You will then see another small alley on your left. Go there. Then you will see a barbar pole and the word "Pinkle" will be written in Korean. It is written in white with a pink background. It is a glass door. If you open the door, you will see a red-colored stairway that will lead you downstairs.
The mamasan charged me W90,000. I am Korean-American. I do not know how much they charge foreigners.
What I like about this place is that they wash your feet and give you a full body massage. Once you get there, you will take your clothes off and wear shorts. Afterwards, you can take a quick shower. After that, IT'S SHOWTIME.
Happy Hunting everyone.
Sincerely,
New World Order
[b]Directions to Barber Shops[/b]
Wolf,
There are directions to this barbershop already up in this forum -- you should read back over old posts. Part of the adventure is setting out to find the places referenced, using your own wits.
Plus I don't want you ruining the face-fucking for me.
Of course, in recognition of your distinguished reporting on Japan, I would be willing to disclose if you e-mailed me privately on [email]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email]. Perhaps we can get stinking drunk and then toddle over there.
2 new things I saw in Itaewon while I was there a few weeks ago.
More girls offering bareback.
More ladyboys.
What's going on??
Based on my experience with the sex industry in Korea, I strongly recommend "Pinkl" which is located at Yeoksam station.
It is 90,000 won for Koreans and 100,000 for foreigners. They are foreign friendly which is a plus.
First, you take off your clothes and put on shorts.
Second, the girl washes your feet with soap and warm water, and a full-body message. But the massage is not that good.
Third, she takes you to the shower and you wash yourself. She does not join you. :(
Fourth, you are led to a room and it's showtime~~~hehe *^^*
A very pleasant experience.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Anyone know if Star from the FinKL BS is shaved or not? I am tired of the amazon rain forest that alot of the ladies here and throughout Korea have. Just looking for something more trimmed up in case DATY is offered.
[QUOTE]More girls offering bareback.[/QUOTE]
Gameover perhaps you might tell us where these places were so that we might be informed and steer clear of them. Thanks
Ciao
Absolutely. I don't think those girls offering BB is a plus. It's a minus. Korean ladies are relatively clean, and let's keep it that way. Of course, it might just be to people out of the backrooms faster...
I thought this quote was a bit illogical:
>>>>The mamasan charged me W90,000. I am Korean-American. I do not know how much they charge foreigners. >>>>
So, what it boils down to is that you are a Korean with an American passport?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]I thought this quote was a bit illogical:
The mamasan charged me W90,000. I am Korean-American. I do not know how much they charge foreigners.
So, what it boils down to is that you are a Korean with an American passport? [/i][/QUOTE]Nice to meet you TheContinental :)
I apologize for any misunderstanding.
I speak Korean fluently, so the mamasan considers me as a Korean and not a Korean-American. To make a long story short, I am a Korean with a Korean passport but I have lived in the States for around 8 years. Enough of that, let's talk about sex! :)
Gentlemen who are not Korean will have to pay more. I do not know how much more one needs to pay. But they will accept everyone regardless of one's nationality.
Also for those of you who cannot read Korean, "finkle" is written like this --> ÇÎŬ. It is written in white with a pink background. You cannot miss it! :)
In terms of looks, they are about a 6 or 7 out of 10 (just my 2 cents). I have had two girls and one was 26 years old and the other was 23.
I hope you all find this helpful.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Red Light Districts in Korea
588 (Chung-Reang Ree): The women there are both young and fine. The cost is 60,000 for a Korean. I have met many women and they told me that they will accept Japanese and Chinese customers for the same price. For other nationalities, its a hit/miss. But if you go with a Korean friend, you may be lucky. :)
I took my American friend there and they charged him the same price (W60,000). Why? Well, I lied to the girl that my friend is Dutch. :)
(The former World Cup Soccer coach Mr. Hiddink is Dutch. :) )
The girl called my friend a hero. WTF?
But the service is not that good. I have been there a total of around 30 times and the odds of me getting a french kiss and for me to do oral on her is a 1 out of 3 chance. :(
588 is open from almost 24/7. But the best times to go is at around 8-10pm. More women are out there and you can look around to find the very best! :) If you go after 10pm, you will find a lot of drunkin men over-crowding the place.
Miari: This place is foreign-friendly. They will accept foreigners. But the looks are not as good as that of 588. But the service rocks! :)
But one thing REALLY bothers me about this place. The girls do not want to wear a condom. One time,....
The girl: "Do you wanna go on top or do you want me to go on top?"
Me: "Where's the condom?"
The girl: "You do not have to wear one because we get tested once a week."
Me: "WHAT?! You gotta be kidding?!" "Bring a damn condom NOW!"
All the women were like this which bothers me. These girls need to be educated about the risks out there!
This place is open from 8pm until 6am. The best time to go is from 8pm until 10pm.
Happy Hunting~~~ :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
Gameover where did you see the "ladyboys" ?
Thanks to the comrade who posted the details on Finkle. Sounds like I will have to drop by and drop.
I had an unexpected threesome at yongsan along the b row. My regular honey talked me into takeing on her friend who was leaving. Well the other girl got curious about all the noise. Turns out my regular is a Switch hitter and loved munching on the clit while I was pounding. No back door play (by me) but they all took turns doing darn near everything else. It was a sweet extra that does not happen to me often.
I will be in Seoul during the first week of June. Having spent a lot of time in Japan I have learned to appreciate Asian girls... :) I have previously been usucessful in finding GFE in Seoul. Could anyone guide me where to find that? Some directions and pricing (even though the best is always free...!)? I am staying close to City Hall.
Looking forward hearing from someone experienced in Seoul and its offers......
Regards
My problem with ladyboys and bareback up on the hill is that by the time I actually make it to the hill, I've had enough to drink that my ability to make sound judgements has already been compromised. Fortunately, haven't made any mistakes before it's too late yet.
I've seen ladyboys in a few places recently and unfortunately cannot remember the details/name of the place. The place was on the left side of the street, a few doors past the Tiger Tavern. Once inside, there is a staircase going upstairs on your immediate left.
I walked in because the girl on the street was quite tall (one of my things and Korean girls are getting taller these days so no worries yet.) Girl gets my drink, sits down, unzips my pants and immediately starts sucking me off. Then she leans back and pulls out her absolutely amazing (however fake) breasts. Now I start to wonder....
She gets up and goes back to the bar. Another tall one comes in, sits down next to me, and starts rubbin. I'm thinking this one looks a bit masculine and ask if she is "she or he." She says, in a somewhat husky voice, "I am woman!" I say, "Show me." She pulls her pants down a bit, not enough, very clearly hiding something back there. I get up to leave, say sorry not interested. No complaining seems to confirm my suspicions.
The bareback is many places but one sticks out. At the top of the hill, turn right, first bar on your right. Really cute girls each time I've been there, you negotiate price, and they go right at it. No questions, no "you want condom?" Tried to slip it past me, had to stop. She said they didn't have any condom's in the place.
Greetings~~~ :)
I have also heard about "ladyboys" at Itaewon.
Now that really scares the sh*t out of me!!!
I have been to Hooker Hill once but I will never go there again. The places are soooooooo dirty and the girls pressure you to buy overpriced drinks.
If I am in Itaewon and I want to get some booty, I would rather just go to any of the clubs and try my luck there. A lot of Korean girls are there to meet foreign men. If you do not get laid that night, at least keep the girl's number and call her up another day.
It works like a charm. :)
That's about it about Itaewon. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
A Red Light District at Ui-Jung_Bu
Trust me guys, this is also a damn good place in Korea!!! :) :) :)
BUT it is located around 35km north of Seoul. :(
Someone posted directions on how to get there about a month or two ago.
The cost is 75,000 won. The girl will first shower you. You can play with her while you two take a shower together~~Then she dries you up and starts to cut your toe nails <--I have no idea why...haha :)
Then she licks your a**hole, toes, basically all parts of the body followed by a bareback blow j*b. She puts the condom on with her mouth and it's all good from there~~~ :)
The overall quality of the girls are around a 8 out of 10. Slightly lower than that of 588 but much better than that of Miari.
The service is much better than both Miari and 588. But the distance is a factor.
Happy Hunting!!!
Sincerely,
New World Order
guys i need some urgent help ill be in incheon intl airport for like 12 hours is there any place in the airport worth while? THANKS!
[b]Back to FinKL Barbershop[/b]
Gentlemen, I went back to FinKL yesterday and fucked the remaining two girls there to whom I hadn't yet been introduced. To my understanding, there are five women at this barbershop and I have now fucked all five.
Both are cute and worth the trip. But of the two yesterday, one was a real find -- her name is So-Yeon. This is the girl with the small Buddhist reverse-swastika on her chest. She is so fine that you feel good about yourself for having gotten on her, and her work skills are excellent as well. She just about sucked the turds out of my bunghole, and really used her hands to get in there deep. Thank goodness I had swabbed my ass with Listerine beforehand.
I would rank So-Yeon tops at FinKL for looks, with Star tops for service. But it's a toss-up.
Where exactly in Ui-Jung_Bu? That place is huge. I was just there yesterday, but you really didn't give any directions.
5 girls at FinKL? I've seen 6. Maybe more? Let me check those that I've seen ( no names (I never asked), only descriptions) and we can compare notes.
Swastika: Fine, sexy body. Used to work at a place called Kamja just down the road and was my favorite there. Saw her by chance at FinKL and was the reason I kept going back. Very aware of her service from the Kamja days but only had one quickie at FinKL (completely my fault, not hers) Will ask by name next time I go (Thanks, SeoulSurvivor)
Short, ringletty hair, a bit older: Extremely slutty, excellent service but I felt a bit dirty afterwords.
Tall and voluptous: Seems pretty young, got a bit of babyface/babyfat. Good service on her part but when it came to doing her, she was kind of boring. Sexy, though, and I'd go again.
Tall and slutty: This one just takes the cake. She'll come in and do the massage for a bit, then whip off your pants and suck you right in the chair. Climbed up on top and straddle my face. Go to the room next and she's sucking before I can even take off my clothes. Such a wonderful rim/blow/69 that I finished on her chest. She was upset that she didn't get hers so popped in a porn video and went back to sucking. When hard again, got into doggy style for a second round.
Petite: Saw her about 2 weeks ago, very sexy body, very small boobs, not too impressed though.
Small, cute, (not the skinny petite, though): She was fun. Good massage then to the room. Asked before she did anything (answer was of course: yes). Liked watching the action in the mirror on the side of the wall. Very energetic. Good times had by all.
Sorry for what may be poor descriptions, I hope you could recognize who I'm talking about. Would love to know if there were others, I think there are (or maybe some of these ones left.)
SS, you said you went the other day and fucked the last remaining 2. How did you do this? Was it 2 at a time? one after the other? Costs for this little party?
This is a first time post from a long time resident of Seoul.
Most of the time I check out the hotties on Hooker Hill, and it's all right if you know where to go. But the other day I went to the RLD at Mia (which is actually closer to Girum Station) and I was somewhat disappointed. Let me tell you about it.
First of all, the easiest way to get to this place is go to Gireum Station on line number 4, then take exit number 10 and you are there! As soon as you come up the subway stairs, walk about five meters toward the right hand alley. You can't miss it.
There is a complex web of alleys with a room salon every five steps, side by side. Actually, good old fashioned brothel is what I would call it. All the girls are sitting there watching TV or just looking pretty. They don't really look at you but they are trained not to do that. So don't get discouraged.
Here's where I was disappointed. All the girls are in the same outfits: these big flowing white wedding gowns, and you can't really get a good look at their bodies.
There was four of us wandering around so we just finally picked a place at random. There's so many places! So we all go in and were directed upstairs. We couldn't choose our own girl, the mama-san just sent four girls upstairs.
Before that we handed over 70,000 won each. That covers two beers each and the girls. So the girls file in and they picked us, not th other way around. I was lucky and ended up with a hottie, maybe about 23 or so. The other girls looked about the same age. All were about 6 or 7 out of 10.
Then this one gets up and suddenly stips naked and starts shoving little vegatables inside herself. Really a turn-off. She looked like an animal while she was doing it. Then she somehow opened a beer with her pussy and sprayed the beer into a cup.
This didn't do much to wet my appetite. But whatever!
Soon, after a quick beer that was kinda warm, we were each rushed into these tiny rooms, just big enough for a single mattress on the floor. My girl motions for me to take my clothes off (we were alone), and so I start taking off my clothes and she steps out, then she comes back in a moment later completely nude. No build up towards sex at all. Again, a real turn off because I then knew she was going to rush me through it.
Sure enough, she starts coaxing me into a hard on and it was all very awkward. I finally took control and slowed things down a little, but she was still rushing me. She then gave me a BBBJ, but she started climbing on top of me and I wanted it the other way around...me on top. So again I took control and she let me lick her pussy so I could get hard.
But the whole time she's blabbing away. There was really no intimacy or even an attempt to seduce me. I know it's all fake anyway, and it's there job but this was ridiculous. I felt like I was on a conveyer belt.
So I took my time with sex, and she was complaining that I was too big and we were taking too long, etc. She was pretty tight and she would have been a damn good screw if not for the rushing around. All the guys with me experienced the same thing. The whole thing lasted about 20 minutes, and I extended things!
It's not as if there were alot of customers around either.
I've been all over Asia, and of course the Phillipines is the best. But in Seoul, for my money, Hooker Hill in Itaewon is the best. If you know what you are doing, you can get one of the girls at the top fo the Hill (your choice!) for 100,000 won and have her in a nice big private room for at least an hour, maybe more if she likes you. She'll also shower with you afterward.
Whatever you do on Hooker Hill, don't go into the expensive Hostess Bars near the middle of the Hill. Most of those girls will charge 70,000 won just for a quick BJ or HJ, and that's after you spend 60,000 on useless little drinks for her.
And if you want to go out to Mia, be prepared for short time. If I go back there, it will be only me or maybe a buddy and I'll demand my choice and set a time BEFORE I pay any cash. If they say no to my terms, then I'm gone. That's actually how I got more for my money on the Hill.
Always set your own terms or turn around and leave. They'll change their mind real quick.
Oh, and I've GOT to know:
If you had a threesome at FinKL, will the girls do each other????
I am doing my best to share information. Based on these descriptions I present the following [b]Monger's Guide to FinKL[/b]:
[i]"Swastika"[/i]: [b]So-Yeon[/b] (appearance 9, service 9)
[i]"Short, ringletty hair"[/i]: [b]Byeol-i[/b] ("Star") (appearance 6.5, service 11)
[i]"Tall and voluptuous"[/i]: Can't remember her name, wouldn't choose her again anyway (appearance 6.5, service 4)
[i]"Tall and slutty"[/i]: [b]Ddal-gi[/b] ("Strawberry") (appearance 5 face/7 body, service 10)
[i]"Petite"[/i]: I think this is the girl I've missed so far.
[i]"Small, cute"[/i]: [b]Yeon-Ah[/b] (appearance 7, service 7)
And no, as yet I have not arranged the FinKL threesome. For me it's been strictly serial as in after I am finished, it's back to the chair for another go-round. "Send your friend." Three of these girls (So-Yeon, Star, and Strawberry) are of such high service levels I am sure it would be fun. Based on their nasty factor, if there is any chance for carpet-munching it would be Star and Strawberry.
I am of a mind to try to lure the three FinKL all-stars out to a hotel for a fuck-fest on an off-day or off-hour, whence they can keep all the money for themselves. Anybody game?
Price has been a consistent W100,000 each, W110,000 for credit. They take the money afterward, and I've always been so pleased that there's no resistance to paying the slight (W10,000) premium at FinKL. In fact, I usually slip 'em a tip of W20,000 (which they discreetly tuck into their scanty clothes) whilst getting dressed.
So-Yeon did say that lately "a LOT" of foreigners have been coming around their barbershop. You hosers better steer clear -- I don't want to think about you lot having fucked the future Mrs. SeoulSurvivor.
Tips and thanks go to [email=ssurv@hotmail.com]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gameover
[i]5 girls at FinKL? I've seen 6. Maybe more? Let me check those that I've seen ( no names (I never asked), only descriptions) and we can compare notes.
Swastika: Fine, sexy body. Used to work at a place called Kamja just down the road and was my favorite there. Saw her by chance at FinKL and was the reason I kept going back. Very aware of her service from the Kamja days but only had one quickie at FinKL (completely my fault, not hers) Will ask by name next time I go (Thanks, SeoulSurvivor)
Short, ringletty hair, a bit older: Extremely slutty, excellent service but I felt a bit dirty afterwords.
Tall and voluptous: Seems pretty young, got a bit of babyface/babyfat. Good service on her part but when it came to doing her, she was kind of boring. Sexy, though, and I'd go again.
Tall and slutty: This one just takes the cake. She'll come in and do the massage for a bit, then whip off your pants and suck you right in the chair. Climbed up on top and straddle my face. Go to the room next and she's sucking before I can even take off my clothes. Such a wonderful rim/blow/69 that I finished on her chest. She was upset that she didn't get hers so popped in a porn video and went back to sucking. When hard again, got into doggy style for a second round.
Petite: Saw her about 2 weeks ago, very sexy body, very small boobs, not too impressed though.
Small, cute, (not the skinny petite, though): She was fun. Good massage then to the room. Asked before she did anything (answer was of course: yes). Liked watching the action in the mirror on the side of the wall. Very energetic. Good times had by all.
Sorry for what may be poor descriptions, I hope you could recognize who I'm talking about. Would love to know if there were others, I think there are (or maybe some of these ones left.)
SS, you said you went the other day and fucked the last remaining 2. How did you do this? Was it 2 at a time? one after the other? Costs for this little party? [/i][/QUOTE]
SeoulSurvivor, I am one of the foreigners going there, I took a buddy who just arrived. He has been making me take him once a week. He can't find it on his own. I had the pleasure of being with Star and she did allow DATY but she said absolutly not to me fingering her bum. I was wondering though about the toothbrushes in the shower. Are they for your teeth or scrubbing your bottom? Sounds like So-Yeon is into ass play that may be something I need to try with her.
Ciao
I think So-Yeon [b]is[/b] into ass play. Her butthole was quite pliable and oh-so-tasty when I returned the ass-rim favor for her. And she pushed back onto my tongue, always a good sign! One of my plans is to try to break her backdoor in.
The problem will be when one of us breaks her taboo and reports it here -- suddenly 1000 foreigners will be showing up at FinKL all demanding to bonk her in the bum.
nico, I hope you're not brushing your teeth with those toothbrushes, because I use 'em on my ass! ;^) Seriously though, they want you to brush your teeth for the kissing. Because I am polite, I always scrub out my ass with the soap and then rub away the soap flavor with a handful or two of the Listerine. It gets a laugh and then a hearty rimjob.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nico
[i]SeoulSurvivor, I am one of the foreigners going there, I took a buddy who just arrived. He has been making me take him once a week. He can't find it on his own. I had the pleasure of being with Star and she did allow DATY but she said absolutly not to me fingering her bum. I was wondering though about the toothbrushes in the shower. Are they for your teeth or scrubbing your bottom? Sounds like So-Yeon is into ass play that may be something I need to try with her.[/i][/QUOTE]
SeoulSurvivor,
God! Your reports are excellent!
Been in Seoul for 3 weeks (for another 3 months to 3 years), had no time for fun yet but will certainly check the places you patronize. And will report to you.
Meanwhile, a soft issue : the family man I am reserves "making love" (=penetration) to his wife, but enjoys HJ and covered BJ from extra partners ... Do you think the girls of finKL will be offended if I refuse the full act and get happy only with BJ ?
I'm asking 'cause, while most of the time they're ok in other countries with that, I am new to Korea and don t want to hurt any feelings.
Thks for your wisdom and beers on me if we meet someday.
felix
Hello my fellow friends,
First of all, Nico, I am sorry but I do not know the direction to Ui-Jung-Bu. But there are several posts in the past (about a month or two ago) that gives you specific directions.
Now I remember, it was So Hyun (the sexy girl at Pinkl)
Sorry guys, my wife is calling me. I'll post again later. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hello again folks,
Sorry for cutting my previous post short.
Anyway, So Hyun is the girl at Pinkl. In terms of looks, she is the one. Her service is not excellent but above average. If you wanna do a pretty girl, then I strongly recommend So Hyun.
If you want service, there is one girl there who has long black hair. Her looks are just so-so. But once you have your c*ck in her mouth, she won't let you go. haha :) She's tall and slim. She told me that she is 26 years old. If you want service, then I strongly recommend her. She was willing to let me cum twice but I was unable to. :( Where's my f*ckin manhood?! haha
Anyway, I saw a few other girls but I have not tried them yet.
I saw a chubby one.
You guys mind if I shift the subject to Miari for a sec? :)
I personally do not want to go there again. Why? Well, the girls will let you do it without a condom. What the f*ck?!?! I told the girls why. And the girls said, "Oh, it's okay, this is Korea. Korea is a clean country and we get tested once a week." I told her, "I don't care if you get tested everyday, cause what if some mo-fo with some STD, herpes, or AIDS spread it to you? She said its worth the risk. After that, I would "ONLY" go to 588, Ui Jung Bu, and Pinkl. :) Because these places require you to wear a condom.
Also the ah-ju-mas (mamasans) will grab you and not let you go.
One of my nice POLO shirts got ripped!!! :(
Have any of you been to Ui Jung Bu? Now that place is paradise.
I saw a post of how to get there. I will try to find it and copy-paste it.
Don't you love this website? :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
More FinKL updates:
There are at least 7 there, unless someone has left. Met another one, I'd say around early 30s, looks like she was really cute in an earlier day but not so great now. Good boobs, little roll around the belly. VERY boring, I spent the whole time watching the porn to take my mind off her.
Asked about 2 girls and they said "Double-sex, like in the movies? OK!" BUT, you only get one pop and the girls don't do each other.
Went for the one-after-the-other method, wished I hadn't actually.
I was big on this place for awhile but going downhill now.
Where can you find Taiwanese working girls in Seoul? Because I've had one while I was in Tokyo
She was superb,spoke good English. Price was a bit high,But no regrets,She was with a group of other working taiwanese girls and students And was told that they go to Seoul as well One thing about Korean women is the language barrier,but if you mmet touring part timers,great fun, I mean it.
I'll be in S'Korea on 18th
I will be traveling to Seoul next week and just want an update on the best places in Itaewon to go. Is Hollywood still the best non-pro place to pick up women (say 25 to 35)? Is 10 pm too early to get there on a Thursday night? How about hooker hill, any recommendations there? Thanks for any info, I'll give a report after my visit.
Anyone been to heard of Incheon "Yellow House"? How do u get there?
This country's gone so down-hill since the old days. I tried a favorite barber-shop--that I hadn't been to since 97-98--and the ajumma was at least in her fifties!!!!
Needless to say I turned around and walked out.
Me and my friends used to hit the casino at Walker-Hill and try to win a few bucks for a run to Miari--well, even if we lost, we hit Miari anyway--great price, good service...
Five years ago every barber-shop I knew had at least two-three girls in their late 20s-early 30s with long hair, tight firm asses--great suck-jobs. Where did they all go to....sad, sad state of affairs.
Meguro Joe,
Hollywood basement is virtually empty at the weekends now, a better bet is limelight attached to the hamilton hotel, most of the old hollywood crowd goes there now...thursday night is ladies night, when they have male strippers..this place is pretty easy to get laid..I have been there four times in the last 2 weeks, got laid three times and on the other occasion got a number...really its very easy..
helios bar is not too bad on thursdays either..an base.
Has anyone ever been to the honybee club in itaewon, its around the corner from mcdonalds near the arch facing the yongsan base..always see it on the way into itaewon in the taxi..anyone got any info
Finaly, after all the business meetings, I got a chance to wonder around, I did not have to go too far, I met a supereb chinese part timer at the JW Marriot. Her name was lily,She 's come from Australai and was very much conversent in English.Since my slef, I'm a caucaisan and English speaking, I was amazed. Her rates were very expensive, but she offred french as well as anal. Had a great time with her. Wow, She was freaking hot. She stands 5 fr 5 and looks like a Japanese doll with colored hair. 8/10. But I'm still to find some good Korean escort. As I'll be here for another 5 more days, I'll kep you fellows informed.
Yangban:
To get to Yellow House, take Seoul Incheon highway to the last exit, make right and quick left. Small % will take foreigners, not recommended. these girls are sex slaves basically.
Duran,
Can you forward me the contact info on Lily? I'd appreciate it.
lonestarkorea@hotmail.com
Suwon looks promising--new train station, go out the main exit and down the stairs. Walk to the left about 50-100 meters, you'll see some stairs that goes down to a small shopping arcade. Go down and under the street and come up on the other side; its a type of traffic circle right there. If you take a left up one any one of those streets, its not hard to find; keep walking towards the old bus terminal. Lots of mirrored storefronts and girls--they range in typical age and variety, but average person should find something he likes....
Pyongtaek Station--this place has lots of cute young Korean girls, a Filipina here and there--but sucks because they will not even look at foreigners: "You leave. You go away".
Yongsan Station--this place has been there decades. If you walk towards it, you'll get accosted by old ajummas asking "Lady?" The girls in these back rooms are either runaways or kidnapped, you won't like their looks, so forget it. If you go further down, to the main strip, here's where the best looking girls are, but again, foreigners are discouraged. I had one nice looker take me on at what was probably double fare--200,000W, so if you want to spend that much, you can get a nice Korean babe and she gave good service, but that was a lot to pay for ST. The older ones charge much less, u can bargain--anyway that's not my scene, I like em' in their 20s or 30s.
Songtan/Osan AB--total rip-off designed to separate you from your cash as quickly as possible. Very few Korean girls working here anymore--maybe 5-6 dancers total. Filipinas and Russians. Buy ladies drink at 10,000W each, negotiate at the bar. If she sees a regular customer coming in to see her, she'll leave you flat no matter how much you've spent. Good just for drinking a few suds and watching the dancers. "Bar-fines" illegal for US GI types since last Fall; maybe you can get lucky here, but my opinion is its not worth it.
Itaewon--somebody asked about the so-called "Honeybee" Club. This is the first place you run into at the entrance to Itaewon. You may have noticed there's not many guys going into it. Simple reason: its rumored to be a gay bar. Buyer beware.
Coffee Shops--used to offer sex along with coffee delivery service. Cops have cracked down on it. I haven't fucked a tabang girl since around 1997 or so. The business has gone downhill since Korea joined the world economy. But tabangs used to be heaven back in the 80s....
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Duran
[i]I met a supereb chinese part timer at the JW Marriot. Her name was lily,She 's come from Australai and was very much conversent in English. Her rates were very expensive, but she offred french as well as anal. Had a great time with her. Wow, She was freaking hot. [/i][/QUOTE]
Duran,
If you got contact info on Lily (even where at the JW Marriott you ran into her), please do be so kind -- [email=ssurv@hotmail.com]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email].
Duran,
Just a curiosity. How much did cost you Lily the Australian Chinese ? Any details on her offer ?
Thanks for posting
Wolf
Hello,
How are you? I will be going to Korea pretty soon and I'm very curious about the scene there. Can anyone talk about the best areas or places to go to for great korean (or foreign) ladies for a first-timer like me to korea? Also, is there a tip involved? how much tip is customary?
I would like some breakdown of some of the neighborhoods there too. If you can give your comments here, I wold really appreciate it!
This is to all those curious people who asked me about Lilian. I'd busted around $400.She is staying currently at Capital Hotel. That's what she told me. I was amazed her corporation towards foreigners.
Maybe some bad news about the Dynasty. Went by the other day and the turkey bath was closed. No stair entrance, no elevator access. Normally I wouldn't be worried because these places go through frequent remodels or down periods to clean out the pipes but this time I noticed that it looks like the sign out front is also coming down. Anyone have anything else to report as time goes by (particularly if I'm wrong and the place opens again!), please post. I've been absolutely spoiled by this place and would hate to see it (and my absolute global ATF) disappear.
Also, dropped by the New York Massage place in Itaewon and would heavily discourage anyone from ever going. Used to be a simple barbershop with decent ladies and full-service. Now they've tried to upgrade to Sport Massage status with full body scrubs, sex, younger girls, etc. Service is exactly the same, attitudes seem worse, girls younger, yes but quality lacks. Quoted my 170,000 at the door. I laughed, offered 130,000 and she agreed. Regret it now. You'll be better served elsewhere.
Yangban,
""Bar-fines" illegal for US GI types since last Fall" - interesting. Does PMO enforce this in any way to the point where they scare the numbnut GIs enough not to do it, or is it just cosmetic PR?
Also, how has this affected regular expat customers? Are barfine rates still in the $200 range? Are the girls keen on getting barfined by us or happy enough with their juicey take?
I was there about 5 times in Mar. Apr. 2002 and was fairly satisfied by the Flip service/quality. A friend who was there recently told me that out of 5 barfines, he had 2 "runners" (barfine was paid but girls didn't put out). Is this just bad luck or has it come to the point where, like in Manila, you have to pretty much go through a verbal rundown of what is expected in the presence of both girl and manager?
Sorry for the multiple questions but I have a thing for Flips and Songtan seems to be the closest place to Seoul I can find them.
Paddy23
Even though thursday night is ladies night at limelight is it easy to get laid that night? I am going down to yongsan thursday to drop someone off and I might have the night available. I can put up with the male strippers if I can get laid. Helios is a very nice looking place, very elegant but it seems they spent more money on the decor than on the menu.
ciao
GOOD BYE!!!!
I have just been informed that I will be leaving Korea soon. Because of an upcoming move back to the US (where things are more expensive) I will be curtailing my activities here in an attempt to sack away enough cash to carry me through my move.
Thanks to all for the valuable contributions to the hobby- Korea style and I hope that my additions have helped some of you enjoy your stay as well.
had a strange experience in a place I mentioned on this board before..'Mens massage club', got to soongsil Univ. station. Head out exit 2 and walk straight for about 3 mins. You will see the place on the left right before a fish restaurant.
Go in and there is some young guy at the counter, the place itself looks quite nice, minimal design, looks more like a gay hairdressers..
anyway get led to a cubicle, containing a massage table and not much else. A 24-26 yr old soon arrives, cute but she is wearing 'normal' clothes, a denim skirt and a black sweater. I had stripped down to the shorts and she turns me onto my back and gives me an excellent massage using creams and oils for 30 minutes...very relaxing and she actually knows what she is doing. Then she turns me over and asks "masturbation?" I say yes and she looks a bit disappointed. She kneels between my legs and proceeds to give me an exquisite handjob..however she has her head bowed and her eyes closed and comes across as if thsi is the most disgusting thing she has ever done. Coupled with her 'normal clothes' and the whole thing seems a bit surreal. The hj is excellent tho so I soon stop caring. All in all the whole thing lasts about 50 mins.
The actual service was excellent it was just the girl I got didn't seem to want to be there at all, nor tried to pretend.The price was excellent too, only 60,000 for 'full service' which seems to be a hand job. If it is simply a handjob parlour, then it is fine for what it is, will choose another girl next time.
Doubt you can get anything else but maybe if you are Korean or a regular customer...
Nico,
thursday nights there has usually a favourable men-women ratio. A lot of off duty hostess girls go out after closing time as well as 'normal' girls. I have never had any problems there, just wait for a while before moving in on anyone as the later it gets the easier it is....enjoy
Gameover, good luck thanks for your reccomendations some of them have been invaluable;)
I may be the bearer of bad news.
Decided to go to "finkle"/"pinkle" what ever the correct name of the place is and it was.
CLOSED!
Not sure if I went at a bad time or what, got that at 6:15pm and no joy. Floated around the area until 8:35pm and still no joy.
Do they only keep bankers hours?
Also, I wanted to make sure I went to the right place. Directions have been mediocre at best - as far as I could tell.
I found Starbucks and the "finkle" alley is on the right side of Starbucks. You go down about 1 flight of stairs (the bottom) and there is an opening to the left and then an opening to the right (for food shops).
The one on the left had a barberpole by a closed steel drop door - and it was closed. The barbershop pole was spinning (there is a barbershop in the food court to the right) but no joy found on the one on the left - was I in the right spot???
Thanks,
WickedWillie
Followup to my miss-adventure at Finkle.
While trying to pass the time, and see if the place opened, I found a sports massage place under Kinko's up the street. Since I had not researched it - I decided to give it a shot and see what happened.
Hmmmm, double pole - good indication.. Hmmm, downstairs - second good indication.
Then, sigh, the usual massage, flip, squeeze, stroke and see ya.
Nothing else on the menu. The young lady was quite good looking with a large rack - haha - probably an 8 to 9 score... But when asked for the real deal - was told "No - only massagie"
OFW. No Finkle - out W60,000 for a flip and no dip.
Long boring evening in Seoul.
WickedWillie
greetings~~~~ :)
long time no see.
i have read all of your posts with great interest. :)
for those of you who live/work in the kangnam area, i strongly recommend pinkle. i know we discussed this 1,000,000,000 times but it is a very nice place.
you can find many posts about this place in the latter pages.
as for itaewon, i would stay away from hooker hill and the other massage parlors, and sex-related places.
just go to the clubs for a freebie. :) many korean girls are there to meet foreign men. just buy them a few drinks, tell them that you are a financial advisor or marketing director for a multi-national and fortune 500 company in nyc or tokyo and sooner or later, booyah!!! lol :)
does anyone know about the red light district in chon ho dong? i have been there 5 years ago but i do not see it anymore. is it now gone? that place had some major issues such as ****d working girls, pimps hitting on the working girls, etc...
good night.
sincerely,
new world order
[quote]originally posted by new world order
[i]greetings~~~~ :)
long time no see.
i have read all of your posts with great interest. :)
for those of you who live/work in the kangnam area, i strongly recommend pinkle. i know we discussed this 1,000,000,000 times but it is a very nice place.
you can find many posts about this place in the latter pages.
as for itaewon, i would stay away from hooker hill and the other massage parlors, and sex-related places.
just go to the clubs for a freebie. :) many korean girls are there to meet foreign men. just buy them a few drinks, tell them that you are a financial advisor or marketing director for a multi-national and fortune 500 company in nyc or tokyo and sooner or later, booyah!!! lol :)
does anyone know about the red light district in chon ho dong? i have been there 5 years ago but i do not see it anymore. is it now gone? that place had some major issues such as ****d working girls, pimps hitting on the working girls, etc...
good night.
sincerely,
new world order [/i][/quote]you're right: everyone knows about that scene, including lots of korean college guys, who protest the us military by day, and then take advantage of its existence by night in the bars of itaewan.
as far as chon-ho is concerned, well it is basically closed up, although the shacks still existed when i was last there two years ago. there is now a big department store there in front of it, but the cavernous streets of sliding glass doors still exist--just unlit and unihabited.
in its hayday chon-ho was rollicking! walking through the streets was like walking through a funhouse of tickling arms and hands.
they are doing their best to close down the red-lights in seoul. they are building a convention center (or is it the world's tallest building?) next to the subway station in yongsan (red line), which is right next to a red light district.
The Chon Ho RLD
The Chon Ho RLD
I visited the Chon Ho RLD last sunday, just before it got dark. After wandering around (this was my second attempt at finding the place) I noticed one narrow covered alley that was very dark. Strolled in and there it was. Only about 10 % open for business, younger, shorter but nice looking girls in the places I saw. Talked with some guys outside a place at the far end and they said that there were about 50 "houses" there, and that it was all illegal but not to worry. Here go in with this sumo wrestler looking chick and watch some videos! I declined but it looked interesting enough to go back to and check out at some more prime / active day / hour. An older guy that reminded me of the old guy in catch-22 out in front of one of the places near the center asked me (in english) if I knew how much it cost to "play", he then told me 200,000 W. Which is the going price (if you can play for that long, I uesually can't!)
I arrived on the subway from the western line. Go across the big street and head back behind a big building. Look for a discount store maby 7 stories tall. The alley was behind the discount store.
Ok, been lurking for a while now but finally decided to add my .02. My first report will be on the New York massage parlor in Itaewon. Someone posted a while back that they had a bad experience with NY massage parlor but I had the opposite.
Stopped in there approx 2 in the morning and negotiated with the lady for 140,000 for FS. She took me into the typical shower/bed room and brought in a girl that really didn't get my interest. I undressed and she started to shower me down. I didn't really feel she was worthy (lol) so I told her I wanted another girl. Another girl walked in and she also was not worthy. Well, hoping third time would be the proverbial charm, a nice looking petite (7-8) walked in and I knew she would do. Did the typical massage thang but what was more shocking was that she really digged licking the "hole". I swear she must of stayed around that area for 10-15 minutes! I loved it! Anyway, overall experience was great. A true GFE. I would highly recommend this place to anyone. btw, anyone know of a place where you can get some greek action??
[QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i]Meguro Joe,
Hollywood basement is virtually empty at the weekends now, a better bet is limelight attached to the hamilton hotel, most of the old hollywood crowd goes there now...thursday night is ladies night, when they have male strippers..this place is pretty easy to get laid..I have been there four times in the last 2 weeks, got laid three times and on the other occasion got a number...really its very easy..[QUOTE]Paddy, I have heard a lot about the Limelight on this board, although have never been there when I was in Korea (last time of residence was 10/01).
Anyway, you've got my attention. Could someone in say, their early 30s, with Korean language ability, be succesful in a place like that?
Hopefully back in Seoul early next year.
[b]Bad Experience at FinKL Barbershop[/b]
Knew it had to be too good to be true... Yesterday I hit the famous barbershop and called for our friend Star. Unlike the "This one goes to 11" experience of my first time, yesterday was craptacular. Mechanical, rushed service -- she cut short the blowjob after a minute or two to hurry into the sex, but then immediately complained that the sex hurt and would I hurry up and finish by handjob.
Star smelled like a bottle of whiskey yesterday. And that was probably to blame for the horrible service. But now that leaves a question: was the incredible experience of the first visit representative of the usual standard, or was yesterday? I probably won't try to find out. This provider is now one to avoid. I'm not so sure whether I shouldn't write off FinKL altogether.
She told me that she knew about this board (some wanker told her about the reviews on the Internet, specifically the nice things said about Star, Strawberry, and So-Yeon) and that a "lot more" foreigners had been visiting lately as a result. Star said she was glad to get more business. But thanks to all that additional fucking, she says her pussy hurts and that's why she gave me such bad service. I would suggest we all give Star's pussy some time to rest up.
What type of hours (days) do these types of establishments keep?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulSurvivor
[i][b]Bad Experience at FinKL Barbershop[/b]
Knew it had to be too good to be true... Yesterday I hit the famous barbershop and called for our friend Star. Unlike the "This one goes to 11" experience of my first time, yesterday was craptacular. Mechanical, rushed service -- she cut short the blowjob after a minute or two to hurry into the sex, but then immediately complained that the sex hurt and would I hurry up and finish by handjob.
Star smelled like a bottle of whiskey yesterday. And that was probably to blame for the horrible service. But now that leaves a question: was the incredible experience of the first visit representative of the usual standard, or was yesterday? I probably won't try to find out. This provider is now one to avoid. I'm not so sure whether I shouldn't write off FinKL altogether.
She told me that she knew about this board (some wanker told her about the reviews on the Internet, specifically the nice things said about Star, Strawberry, and So-Yeon) and that a "lot more" foreigners had been visiting lately as a result. Star said she was glad to get more business. But thanks to all that additional fucking, she says her pussy hurts and that's why she gave me such bad service. I would suggest we all give Star's pussy some time to rest up. [/i][/QUOTE]
Seoul Survivor,
I am so sorry to hear about your bad experience at Finkle.
Star was probably a little drunk that day. But her saying that her p*ssy hurts is a bunch of bullsh*t!!! She was just in a bad mood and a little drunk that day.
Most of the girls work at such places because they have debt to pay off (credit card debt, rent, family debt, etc.) so they will have a drink or two,.....or three,...four,....or too many.
Buddy, if I were you, I'd try it again. Try going there during the day, nights are usually busy. I usually went there during my lunch break and it was not that busy. :) I have met So Yeon before and she was great! Why not give her a shot? :)
How much did you pay? I usually pay 90,000 (cash). If she charges more, just tell her, "My Chin Gu (Chin Gu means friend) paid only GOO MAN Won (GOO MAN means 90,000)"
11pm until 4am is the worst time to go there!!!
Good luck!!! :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i][QUOTE]Originally posted by paddy23
[i][QUOTE]Paddy, I have heard a lot about the Limelight on this board, although have never been there when I was in Korea (last time of residence was 10/01).
Anyway, you've got my attention. Could someone in say, their early 30s, with Korean language ability, be succesful in a place like that?
Hopefully back in Seoul early next year. [/i][/QUOTE]
Of course buddy!!!! :)
The odds of me scoring on that day is 1 out of 3.
But I would always get a phone number from the girls and call them the next day and we would meet and after a few dates, we would do it!!! :)
Good luck!
Sincerely,
New World Order
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Gentau
[i]The Chon Ho RLD
I arrived on the subway from the western line. Go across the big street and head back behind a big building. Look for a discount store maby 7 stories tall. The alley was behind the discount store. [/i][/QUOTE]Hi there Gentau :)
What do you mean by "western line"?
I once met a girl (from a club) in front of one of the subway exit (the one that is next to Outback (restaurant). Across the street from Outback is a department store. So is the RLD behind that department store? :)
Thank you.
Sincerely,
New World Order
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]You're right: Everyone knows about that scene, including lots of Korean college guys, who protest the US military by day, and then take advantage of its existence by night in the bars of Itaewan.
As far as Chon-ho is concerned, well it is basically closed up, although the shacks still existed when I was last there two years ago. There is now a big department store there in front of it, but the cavernous streets of sliding glass doors still exist--just unlit and unihabited.
In its hayday Chon-ho was rollicking! Walking through the streets was like walking through a funhouse of tickling arms and hands.
They are doing their best to close down the red-lights in Seoul. They are building a convention center (or is it the World's tallest building?) next to the subway station in Yongsan (red line), which is right next to a red light district. [/i][/QUOTE]Hi there TheContinental :)
I'm Korean. And I want to apologize for the recent actions by the Korean college students. But please understand that these idiots do not represent all of the Koreans' feelings. Some of us Koreans respect the Americans and appreciate their presense here. :)
Okay, let's now focus on sex~~~haha :)
So are you saying that the RLD is behind the department store?
I went there 5 years ago. Most of the girls there looked very young. I remember one working girl grabbing me and begging me to help her get out of there. I gave her W30,000 and told her that I wish I could but I couldn't. The place was just a mess.
I remember another time when cops were trying to break up a fight between working girls from two different shops. It was just a huge mess.
It was not as well-organized as 588 or Ui Jung Bu (Paju).
The Seoul mayor should realize that once one red light district closes (for example, Chon Ho Dong), those girls will be moved to other RLDs in Seoul like Miari, Yongsan or other sex-related places.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Do any of you teach English or another foreign language at institutes in Korea?
I used to teach English for an institute in the Kangnam area.
It is easy to score with the students (over the age of 20 of course. :) )
Maybe I should go back into teaching.....:)
Sincerely,
New World Order
[QUOTE]Originally posted by wickedwillie
[i]I may be the bearer of bad news.
Decided to go to "finkle"/"pinkle" what ever the correct name of the place is and it was.
CLOSED!
Not sure if I went at a bad time or what, got that at 6:15pm and no joy. Floated around the area until 8:35pm and still no joy.
Do they only keep bankers hours?
Also, I wanted to make sure I went to the right place. Directions have been mediocre at best - as far as I could tell.
I found Starbucks and the "finkle" alley is on the right side of Starbucks. You go down about 1 flight of stairs (the bottom) and there is an opening to the left and then an opening to the right (for food shops).
The one on the left had a barberpole by a closed steel drop door - and it was closed. The barbershop pole was spinning (there is a barbershop in the food court to the right) but no joy found on the one on the left - was I in the right spot???
Thanks,
WickedWillie [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings WickedWillie :)
I'm afraid you went the wrong way.
There is a Starbucks at Yeoksam station. The entrance of this Starbucks does NOT face the main road. The entrance of this Starbucks faces a small road.
Stand in front of the entrance. You will see two small alleys in front of you. Go to the alley on the right. Walk about 30M (I'm not sure how long it is in feet) and turn right. Then on your left, you will see two barbershop poles (one on each side) There will be a glass door. There is a board on top of the door and it reads like this --> ÇÎŬ. It is written in white on a pink background.
Open it, you will see a stairway which is in a red carpet. Go down and you will come to Finkle~~~ :)
Good luck. If you still have trouble finding the place, let me know!
Sincerely,
New World Order
Greetings gentlemen :)
Does anyone know another place like Finkle in the Kangnam area? :)
I've been to other massage parlors which are located in behind and next to the Renaissance hotel. But they charge twice as much as Finkle. :(
Thanks!
Sincerely,
New World Order
First time writing here,
I just don't understand the big deal out of Pinkle. The place is a dump and the service is not as good as others.
If I were you (non-Korean), I would just vist any MP and ask for a girl. Usually, they will keep sending you girls until you are satisfied.
The going price for FS is 170,000~200,000 won and you could get extra if you behave good.
I just think that it is a shame all you talk about is a dump like Pinkle. Go to Gang Nam area and look for "An-Ma" places, you won't regret it.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by assetman
[i]Yangban,
""Bar-fines" illegal for US GI types since last Fall" - interesting. Does PMO enforce this in any way to the point where they scare the numbnut GIs enough not to do it, or is it just cosmetic PR?
Also, how has this affected regular expat customers? Are barfine rates still in the $200 range? Are the girls keen on getting barfined by us or happy enough with their juicey take?
I was there about 5 times in Mar. Apr. 2002 and was fairly satisfied by the Flip service/quality. A friend who was there recently told me that out of 5 barfines, he had 2 "runners" (barfine was paid but girls didn't put out). Is this just bad luck or has it come to the point where, like in Manila, you have to pretty much go through a verbal rundown of what is expected in the presence of both girl and manager?
Sorry for the multiple questions but I have a thing for Flips and Songtan seems to be the closest place to Seoul I can find them. [/i][/QUOTE]
1. Well, this is my take on how USFK "enforces" the "no-barfine" policy: they send undercover cops into the clubs to negotiate with the owners and/or girls. In the US this would be entrapment, but here, it flies. When/if the cop gets an offer from a girl, they immediately report it and the base puts the club off-limits. This happened with the three biggest clubs in Songtan; the Young-chon, Zone, and Golden Gate were all off-limits for about three-four weeks. Recently they were all back in business...
perhaps ex-pats will fare better--as you dont have to abide by the curfew nor fall under "SOFA" status.....
2. "Runners". This practice was actually started by the Koreans in Songtan about 4-5 years ago. In Korea itself, the practice is known as "ticket-bee" or "shigan-bee"; "bee" means fare or fee, "shigan" means time. Mostly practiced by the old coffee-shops or "tabangs", basically you are paying the girl's salary for an hour, or whatever amount of time you agreed on. It does not imply sex. So this practice spread to the clubs; eventually charging customers 140,000-180,000 won to take one of the girls out for an hour (probably more now). Then the girls usually made you take em' to a restaurant or another club, go dancing, whatever. When you ducked into the men's room, that's usually when they' d split the scene on you....
So, yeah, if you're gonna try this, negotiate with the girl while you're buying her drinks, make sure she knows what u want and agrees to it all, especially the price. I don't know about $200 anymore. Some of the girls have broached the subject with me first; they'd start at about $250, come down to $200, getting cheaper, etc, as the evening grew later, so I guess its still possible. Try it on a slow weeknight in between paydays (1st and 15th) when business is slower. There's many more Russians in Songtan now than Filipinas--I'd say close to 2:1 ratio, and Korean girls are virtually impossible to find anymore--there's but a handful of em left around. The Stereo Club still has many Filipinas, also the Phoenix (its a real dump, though) and the Playboy Club has some nice ones too. Good luck.
gameover,
Keep a best memory from Korea!
Bye!
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by gameover
[i]GOOD BYE!!!!
I have just been informed that I will be leaving Korea soon. Because of an upcoming move back to the US (where things are more expensive) I will be curtailing my activities here in an attempt to sack away enough cash to carry me through my move.
Thanks to all for the valuable contributions to the hobby- Korea style and I hope that my additions have helped some of you enjoy your stay as well. [/i][/QUOTE]
Need some help guys. I am traveling to Seoul next week and need some info on the best place to find some women, that are reasonable and are decent. What is a reasonable price to pay in Seoul for full service? I am staying new Itaewon Station.
Thanks for the help
As a newbie here, let me describe my experiences in Korea.
I'm a young guy way below 30 so I prefer woman that are in the age range of 18-25. So in Korea, I don't go to barber shops or bath-houses because most likely they are older.
Since I'm new, my background is I'm Korean-American and can speak enough Korean to get by but my accent is barely acceptable, most people can tell after talking to me for a couple of minutes in Korean that I'm not a native speaker.
The first thing if anybody has any comments is condom use in Korea. Shit..... I've been enjoying our little hobby for awhile and I hate the fact that in Korea, the girls don't want you to use a condom. Always freaks me out because they just want to bareback it. And once in awhile they just try to slip me in without asking if I want a rubber. So becareful guys, I'm willing to bet the AIDS and STD rate is even higher than Philippines or Thailand because every time I go there most girls want to use rubbers. Of course there's that little "circle of friends" theory where people say they usually get repeat customers so everyone in the circle is good.
Anyway back to some reports. I have been to a room salon but my experience is limited because I can't justify spending that kind of money.
No offense to all the Non-Koreans(NK) out there but I prefer places that usually don't accept NK's just because logically there is a slight albeit less than 1% that there might be less chance of an STD. I know this is being ethnocentric but I sure you guys understand the reasoning.
Also, my ratings of the girls is of course my personal tastes like everyone else but I have a hard time trusting non-Asians for rating Asian women because of course their standard of beauty is different since you didn't grow up looking at Asian woman.
Miari - I started to travel to Korea only 4 years ago for work and this was the first time I went to a RLD. (tear) All the things I've been missing living in the good'ol USA. The quality of girls are wide ranging from above average to butt ugly. I had some mamasan pick me up after I got out of the cab and she took me to a back room not on the main alleys and the girls look frigin ugly and fat. No wonder they need someone to go get them guys, for the most part walk the alleys don't go with mamasan. The standard procedure in Miari seems to be you go in, can't really pick the girl in the beginning, you go into a small room with beer, anju, and a karaoke. The girl comes in, I assume you can ask for another if you don't like what you see. Anyway, she sits next to you, you can shoot the shit if you want with her, I don't think this time goes into your "fun" time. I came alone the times I came here so maybe if you go with a bunch of friends you sit there sorta room salon style and sing a couple of songs before.
When it's time for the fun, you just go into a small room the size of a full size bed at most, that fits a twin size mat. She leaves to wash up, you undress waiting. She brings in a wet towel with a bucket of water to wash you off. (On a side note, I'm kinda weary of this because you can catch an STD from moist towels, especially if they are reusing them for a couple of guys. You think they have a laudry service at that place. :) ) Miari service is pretty weak overall, very Non-GFE, it's just an assembly line, you do your deed, you get cleaned up again with wet towel, see ya later. This place is mamasan run, so the mamasan comes after you not the girls.
For the non-koreans, I've seen a couple of non-koreans there, mostly what looked like Indian, so reading from previous posts and personal experience, some places do take foreigners.
588 - tried 588 after a drunken night. Found a cute beauty there but was stupid as shit. I decided that night that I didn't want to get FS, just a blow with condom. Reason being, like I stated before I prefer to go to places that usually serve only Koreans. Anyway, friggin dumb girl about 20 years old told me that she was afraid of getting an STD from the rubber. From the friggin rubber, she said something like Korean condoms are different from US condoms and their quality is not good and how her friend got an STD from giving head with a rubber, I just told her flat out that she was dumb and her friend got the STD from not using a rubber, friggin whole time complained that she had to blow me with a rubber on. She spent about 10 minutes afterwards brushing her teeth afterwards. I didn't even cum in her mouth.
Anyway, same a Miari, assembly line but the girls are independent, didn't meet a mamasan.
For non-koreans, I have no personal experience with foreigners, didn't see any when I went but from past reports, they may accept.
The next section is my FAVORITE place so far, the famous young joo gol(YJG). Went there 3 times so far and each time a friggin awesome experience. At first I would take the subway and then taxi there which is expensive but now I can drive there blind folded. Korea is a hard place to drive in and I don't know korea well enough to drive anywhere except young joo gol. Some how I have this radar in my brain where I can't find the COEX or even Itaewon if my life depended on it but I can figure out how to get to YJG from anywhere is Seoul. My friends and I spent 4 hours almost going all the way to North Korea trying to figure out how to find this place.
If someone familar with the area knows: What is the other RLD called that is next to YJG. YJG is the one by where the water runs through it with a small overpass bridge. What is the other place called that is about 10 minutes away. Entering the town from the South you can take a right to go to YJG but if you go another way there is another RLD. At first I thought this was YJG but speaking with some of the girls working there, it was not. This place YJG#2 had girls that were just a good looking but they also had schoolgirl fetish house. 2 places had girls that were dressed in the typical slutty schoolgirl outfits. The ones I saw were average at best but maybe the got some hotties, if that is your thing.
Back to YJG, this place has got to be the best in terms of quality of girls, maybe the good looking ones come here because they can still make the money but less chance of family finding out since this place is so far from Seoul. Seriously, you're going through the countryside to find this place. Almost all were pretty decent, no fat ugly girls here. A lot of overnight customers, the parking lot in the back was full of cars and not much foot traffic. Maybe the guys from Seoul drive up and spend the night since it is far.
Besides the quality of girls, what sets YJG apart from the rest is the service you recieve. This place is GFE heaven. I prefer not to kiss, just my thing, like the gay pretty woman movie thing but I there to fuck not make out. These girls give you the whole GFE experience. They undress you, take you to the shower, shower you, scrub your whole body down while you are standing. You brush your teeth with a new sealed toothbrush :) (read the toothbrush ass cleaning comment from before) The girls takes her time, licks you all over, flips you on you stomach and gives you a rim job, BBBJ for awhile and then as many positions as you wish until you cumm, of course there is a time limit of 30-60 minutes but they didn't seem pushy or hurried to me. AND once again the friggin, NO CONDOM, is needed policy, shit I hate that and make me friggin worry. Every girl there just wanted to do it BB without a rubber, had to insist each time on one.
So beware guys, you know how in Miari and 588 the girls claim to get tested once a week. I asked a girl there and she said she never gets tested there since they are so far away from Seoul, there's less supervision there, no foreigners, etc. Friggin BS, this is the one bad mark about this place compared to the others.
For the Non-Koreans, my experince there is that I went with a Chinese guy and a White guy. They would not take my White friend, we offered 300,000 won but no go, even 100,000 won just for a BJ with condom, WTF, pissed us all off. I read that "nico" from before said he's Mexican and got service at YJG and read someone else was also refused so YMMV. Good luck. Now my Chinese friend, he doesn't look Korean, not even Chinese more like a Filipino, kinda dark but I told this one girl, who my friend said looks like a Korean Jennifer Andiston, that he was a Korean-American like myself and he couldn't speak a word of Korean because he grew up in the US. After I said some stupid story about us visiting our family in Korea for the first time and some other BS, she was willing to give my friend the FS. Don't be too sad for my white friend, I made it up to him by getting him a incall at a love motel when we got back to Seoul. The girl at first didn't like the fact he was white but after some convincing and a little extra money she was down. She was in her late 20's BTW, average, not ugly but not a stunner.
Hope this long post explains enough of the scene to my fellow punters. Good luck. I'll be around here for a bit so I'll answer some questions, if needed. Also if there are any fellow punters who want to take the trek to YJG one time together, drop me a line at gold123@email.com , I'm in Korea once in awhile. I probably would only feel comfortable going with some guys close to my age in the 20's though and if you're not Korean, I'll try my best to hook it up but no guarentees since I couldn't get it done last time with my friend.
Happy Punting!
Mool
The place near Yon Ju Gol is called Bop Won Ri it's smaller than Yon Ju Gol but just as nice. I went there by taxi from Munsan and I didn't get to chose or anything, the taxi driver just took me got out arranged it with some girl and then waited for me. Next time I would like to walk around and enjoy the sights.
Ciao
Moolman
how much was the damage (money wise) at Young Joo Gol (YJG) for pussies treatment? TIA
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Greetings WickedWillie :)
I'm afraid you went the wrong way.
There is a Starbucks at Yeoksam station. The entrance of this Starbucks does NOT face the main road. The entrance of this Starbucks faces a small road.
Stand in front of the entrance. You will see two small alleys in front of you. Go to the alley on the right. Walk about 30M (I'm not sure how long it is in feet) and turn right. Then on your left, you will see two barbershop poles (one on each side) There will be a glass door. There is a board on top of the door and it reads like this --> ÇÎŬ. It is written in white on a pink background.
Open it, you will see a stairway which is in a red carpet. Go down and you will come to Finkle~~~ :)
Good luck. If you still have trouble finding the place, let me know!
Sincerely,
New World Order [/i][/QUOTE]Well, I guess I did not follow the directions. I took the subway to the Yeoksam Exit and went up the stairs that said Yeoksam Station and kept walking straight after I got on the main street. The starbucks I found was about a 5 to 10 minute walk... What are the correct walking directions coming up from the subway???
Sorry, I forgot the prices...
60K-70K for 30 min... I get confused if this was somewhere else or not but one of them is right, the standard rate it seem is this.
120K for 1 hour
350K for all night but the girl will not stay with you until later she will be out front working for more customers and comeback.
500k+ all night
I don't know if the all night prices are good prices because I really didn't negoiate them, I just asked because I was curious and this is what I was told. But when I asked why it was so high the girl replied that she had a lot of customers in a night and she had to make the same amount if I wanted her to stay with her. So you figure, she gets like 7-10 customers a night for this booney town. Seems realistic since I did see a parking lot full of cars.
Mool
Althogh being a regular visitor, this is my first post. Let me share my experience that I had during my stay in Seoul. From what I gathered by going through this forum, I thought asian women were hostile to foreigners. But changed my views after I got laid at a night club. I’m an american businessmen who was in Seoul for a week and was staying at the Hilton. Although I had visited a barber shop on the previous night,I didn’t enjoy it. The women just rushed, So to sing away the blues I walked in to “Pharaoh’s at Hilton. I was on my own. after a few drinks and dancing about less than an hour I got hooked with a taiwanese chick who went by the name Grace. And she was just what I was craving for. She looked a high class escort and more or less looked like a Japanese with read hair. I’d taken her to my room, she agreed to spend the night with me till whee hours. A mutual shower,69 with CBJ,anal , we did it all. Grace was very corporative and very clean. Indeed a GFE. It was well worth for 350K .Back home you would newer get such quality asians. Well guys, If you want some quality hit the exclusive night clubs. That’s my advice for all you punters.
I don't think there are that many shops in Yong Joo Gol that accept foreigners, just like 588. The ones who do accept foreigners are usually quite mediocre / nasty. Even for non-Korean Asians, it's sometimes very hard -- the girls are still quite scared of SARs and will reject you flat if you're Chinese. They do accept Japanese guys though.
I'm half-Chinese/White and have had a really tough time as I look a bit more white than Chinese, even though I can speak Korean somewhat okay, when they look at my ID and see that I have a Chinese name (my father is Chinese) some have rejected me flat out.
I will agree with what was written here and say that Itaewon or Miari is your best bet if you're a foreigner. Don't waste your time on those other places because you'll most likely have to come all the way to some far-out place just to settle for some nasty chick.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Hi there Gentau :)
What do you mean by "western line"?
I once met a girl (from a club) in front of one of the subway exit (the one that is next to Outback (restaurant). Across the street from Outback is a department store. So is the RLD behind that department store? :)
Thank you.
Sincerely,
New World Order [/i][/QUOTE]Gentau here:
I should have said that I came in on the subway from the west. Yes the RLD is behind (about 80 yards) the department store along the main drag (across from the Outback). I might have time to wander back that way this week.
Hi Guys-
Am about to visit seoul very soon! Please can you recommend any good 'sports massage', 'turkish massage', full action with young korean beauties? I promise to report back after coming back home.
I will stay at Ritz Carlton, do they provide any massage or incall service? Also, do they provide FS or just hj at turkish bath/massage?
Thanks,
HkMan
To Moolman!
Great post! One of the best I have seen.
I will definetely try to hook up with you sometime in Korea as it seems you don't mind. I've been there a couple of times with very varied experiences.
(Had an allnighter who would only fuck once - what a waste of money...She was good the one time though...
Also went to Hotel Dynasty which was pretty good...)
BTW I am also Korean - or European-Korean if there is such a term - in your age group so I feel we share the same views on this.
Don't speak a word Korean though...
I also go there on business now and then so I will mail you in advance before the next trip.
Never even heard of Yon Ju Gol before...How far from Seoul would you estimate it to be? How long time with a car or train/taxi?
To Liondale:
I don't live in Korea but I'm there once a month for a couple days depending on the work schedule.
To answer more questions: YJG is far from Seoul, even from the closest subway station from YJG is still maybe 1-1.5 hours from there, depending how fast the driver is. It's very booney to get there. You past through a lot of countrysides and you go over mountains. If it's your first time trying to find it, it won't be easy or you will pay big bucks to the taxi driver because most won't want to go there because they have to drive back. Usually, they will ask for an extra 10K to take you there because it leaves Seoul by a good distance. For a foreigner to take that journey, it takes balls, kinda scary even for myself cause you go through so much empty land far from familiar Seoul.
You could get killed and they'll never find you there...haha...But on a serious note, one reason why albiet small chance on why it might be dangerous for foreigners to go there might be because there is a korean army base near there, obviously because it's up north, close to NK. They do get rowdy and I did see some uniformed guys walking around YJG, they might not like a foreigner "doing" the korean girls. Like people mentioned before, some Koreans will give nasty looks or say something when they see inter-racial couples, now that's in Seoul, imagine 20 year old Army drunk guys in the middle of nowhere Korea and you got nobody to help you. You walk down the alley of YJG and run into them by yourself, may not be the happy time you were after. Just a YMMV so you know what goes on.
I know how to drive there now like I said, so I feel more comfortable. Next time I go, I'll follow along on a map and try to map that place out. Last time I was trying to map it out but you know how the maps in Korea just plain suck, so I couldn't figure it out. I'll try buying a better map somewhere. I know how to get there by the land marks mostly and turns. There's no signs that say "Adult Disneyland" :) next 20 km.
Good luck
On a side note: We should all get together and take a tour together of YJG, I got 2 emails from non-native Koreans in their 20's. We can have a mini-WSG forum get together there... :)
Moolman,
Bravo! Great post.
Blackcat,
Any contact info on grace?
Email to lonestarkorea@hotmail would be very much appreciated.
Moolman: Very interesting: I would like to go up to that area during the day. Close to NK I mean so as to explore the geography.
About your post: First of all, there is a reason many Korean women don't like to put on condoms--it implies they are a *****/prostitute/chong-nyo. We are not that far removed from a society that experienced sex only on the first day of marriage, and sex was for having children, not pleasure.
I would hope that Korean prostitutes don't think that Korean males don't have diseases, since more than half of Korean men visit *****s while drunk, and don't use a condom, a dangerous combination (this was in the Korea Herald, so take that for what it's worth).
Second of all, communicable disease are rampant in Korea. I have heard estimates of up to 25% of people have Hepatitis (due to food sharing). I have also heard that many women have "minor" STDs like chlmydia and gonnorea (sp?) (%20-30%). But, they don't know it because women do not have symptoms (only men do).
Also, the Korean hospitals in some cases are still way behind as far as treating these diseases because the doctors also have this idea that Korean women could NEVER have STDs, so, after a women is treated, she thinks she is cured,w hen in fact she is not.
As far as white guys being served, well that has been the norm for a while, but I have never really had that problem (too much).
I would like to comment on some other aspects of your post, but seriously doubt "Jackson" would post it, as he has on occasion refused to post my messages regarding the hypocrisy and politics of sex in Korea.
So, I will leave it at that.
After discussing with trusted Korean friends more and more and asking the girls firsthand (plus having my Korean friends ask on my behalf about this) at Yong Joo Gol, I have came to the conclusion that Yong Joo Gol is the most "anti-foreigner" of all the RLDs. If there are, for example, about 100 shops in YJG, I speculate that only less than 3 or 4 will serve foreigners (other than Japanese), and even at that, only the fat/ugly ones will come to you. (needless to say, the ones who may accept you are on the isolated alleyways)
If you were lucky enough to get a 'hit' at a place as anti-foreigner as 588 or Yongsan, good luck trying to find any lovin in YJG, because they are even more "anti-foreigner"..it came to the point where the YJG girls pretty much find it "taboo" to be with a foreigner and they are also worried about what the other girls / customers / pimps / managers might say if they took one in. It's as if all the girls consider it "low class" to be with a foreigner. It doesn't matter how good you look, they will reject you.
For one thing, the shops are all out in the open, with a lot of girls and their managers / pimps watching you all the time. The girls are all in groups of their shops and as you walk by and they will shout and scream for you if you're Korean / look Korean, but if you look even remotely foreigner, they will all stare and keep quiet, ignore you, etc. and then, the pimps stare at you, as they all hang out in front of their parked cars watching to make sure things are ok.
Like what Moolman said, there are indeed Korean soldiers wandering around the streets, as well as certain groups of rowdy drunk Korean men, especially during the late evenings. YJG is not exactly a friendly atmosphere if you're a foreigner wanting to find some excitement in this vast quiet outskirts of land. If you're Korean though, this place is heaven. Not worth the trip out to YJG for foreigners in my opinion.
BlackCat:
Holy Cow 350,000? I was trying t figure that out with regrads to, say, Thailand.
In Bkk, the top-flight girls at Spazo and Rivas and Cm2, some at the Hard Rock, look for about B4000-5000/night. Considering Thailand has a per Capita GNP about five times less than Korea, that would be B20,000-25,000 in Korea? Or about $500-600.
So, although that W350,000 seems like a lot, in comparison I guess you made out OK.
But, I suppose you then would have to adjust it for average expat income. Teachers in Bkk get (guessing) between $750-1000/month on average. In Korea it's about $2000/month on average. So, with regards to that, it seems maybe you over paid a bit.
But, what about non-ESL expat professionals? I would dare say those in Bkk get more in Seoul than in Bkk, so maybe you got a bargain.
I personally would not have bothered. Although, I find it interesting that so many girls are available outside the RLDs nowadays (CRQ, on-line in general, discos). Considering the rapidly increasing materialism in Korea, I wonder if that scene could one day soon be more prolific than RLDs.
Has anyone tried this site for meeting girls? You have to sign up, but then you get to send emails and so on. Some good looking girls posting their pics:
http://koreanfriendfinder.com/cgi-bin/public/memsearch.cgi
Finally found Finkle BS today.
Boy, was I ever so glad I was persistant.
Mamasan could not under stand my poor and limited Hangul, and I could not understand crap she was saying,but after paying first (?) 110,000 everything else was great. I was concerned at first since no other poster had mentioned paying first, but then I figured with the influx of new business, they may have had a rip off artist or 2 float in. Who knows, on to business.
Got lucky and got So-Yeon - OMG - first ever GFE in a BS. If she was faking - she should win an Oscar.
So now I have a problem: W70,000 for Shin-Yongsan RDL which is close to me, or a 30 min subway ride to Finkle for W110,00 and GFE.
Guess I need to buy one of those frequent use subway cards - ha!
WickedWillie
Does anyone know about those small cards that litter the ground near red-light districts? You know the ones I'm talking about, they feature a beautiful woman with a phone number. Is it phone sex? home service? If so, what are some average prices and how does one go about negotiating? I'm guessing there is no English speaker on the other end of the line. Finally, what about the quality of the girls?
SeoulBlade,
I agree with you but I also disagree on some points. To most, it might sound like you're trying to discourage foreign guys from YJG so you can keep it non-Korean free. Because in a sense you don't want to ruin it with a lot of foreigners trying to go there. I would encourage foreign guys to at least try to get service at YJG. Apparently, they do because "nico" says he got service there. Of course he said he got the taxi driver to help him, so he didn't get to pick. Hey, if anybody who barely knows the language has the balls to travel far and wide for pussy, I have to give him credit and will help him. Man, if you can find the place ok and don't end up in North Korea, you deserve to get served at YJG.. haha.. anyway, just be aware that you might not get service so don't get pissed if you go all the way there and spend the 50K for a taxi round trip and come back empty. Also, the warnings about going there and the semi-dangers for foreigners are real and any punter here should know, it's not BS. Be safe fellow punters. This hobby of ours is for pleasure but not worth bodily harm...right. Good luck to all, if any non-Koreans get service at YJG, please post how you did it so that my white friend I mentioned in my post could do the same.
Mool
Brown Bunny,
Those cards are all around Korea not just around RLD. :) They leave that stuff on cars, all around bars, etc. Most likely, it is for outcall service to you hotel room. The price last time I checked was 70K, could of gone up since that was maybe a year ago. The girls of course do not even look close to what's pictured. It's a toss up on what you will get since you don't get to choose, the girl just comes to your room. Also, on previous posts, non-Korean speakers have said that they would just hang up if you speak to them in English. So Korean might be necessary since it's doubtful they speak English.
Good luck
Mool
Hey everyone,
Thanks for info from previous posts. Like every other red blooded man in this forum I also visited FINKL and got great service from the girl with the big boobs, a wonderful BBBJ to say the least but I won't go into detail because it's already been covered in previous posts by others.
Just an observation: Please DO NOT tell pro's and babershops about this site. It ruins it for those who innitially posted and were nice enough to share the information with all of us. It also sounds really sketchy to a girl that guys are writing about their experiences. So please excercise some discretion.
Just a quick note on Omokgyo: I've never seen any posts here about my hometown and I will start telling you guys a little more about the Barber Shops here which from my first impressions are amazing and cheaper than Gangnam.
I had a hunny the other night just a 2 min walk from Omokgyo station at a 4 pole for only 80,000 for full service. She was hot and young so don't always believe that all the girls at the Barber Shops are old ajumas.
Look forward to hearing any of your experiences from Mokdong or Omokgyo.
All the best!
R
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Seoul Brother
[i]Just an observation: Please DO NOT tell pro's and babershops about this site. It ruins it for those who innitially posted and were nice enough to share the information with all of us. It also sounds really sketchy to a girl that guys are writing about their experiences. So please excercise some discretion.[/i][/QUOTE]
Amen to that, Seoul Brother. Time and again, we have discovered that the ladies dislike the WSG reports. Yet time and again, some fool will go ahead and blab all about it, thus ruining the experience for us pioneers.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]BlackCat:
I don't deny what you said.But when your compnay pais for these trips, how can one go to Bangkok. It's not in the teritory I deal.But i will visit there soon.[/i][/QUOTE]Holy Cow 350,000? I was trying t figure that out with regrads to, say, Thailand.
In Bkk, the top-flight girls at Spazo and Rivas and Cm2, some at the Hard Rock, look for about B4000-5000/night. Considering Thailand has a per Capita GNP about five times less than Korea, that would be B20,000-25,000 in Korea? Or about $500-600.
So, although that W350,000 seems like a lot, in comparison I guess you made out OK.
But, I suppose you then would have to adjust it for average expat income. Teachers in Bkk get (guessing) between $750-1000/month on average. In Korea it's about $2000/month on average. So, with regards to that, it seems maybe you over paid a bit.
But, what about non-ESL expat professionals? I would dare say those in Bkk get more in Seoul than in Bkk, so maybe you got a bargain.
I personally would not have bothered. Although, I find it interesting that so many girls are available outside the RLDs nowadays (CRQ, on-line in general, discos). Considering the rapidly increasing materialism in Korea, I wonder if that scene could one day soon be more prolific than RLDs.
seems to me that korean/americans should not worry about anything!!!
even if they cant speak korean they will get any girl they want!
I have seen hot *****s pick retarded koreans and I mean retarded also old people like 60's 70's and wont even look at a foreigner 22 years old and handsome..
I think korean/americans should not even post on this board and tell us how great their experience was at YJG or Miari or where ever else they DONT TAKE FOREIGNERS!!
I think koreans or korean/americans need to post positive post and information on places they will take us..
I mean korean/americans just come to korea! you can get laid anywhere!!!
its us non asian or non korean foreigners that need the info !
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]I think Korean Americans should not even post on this board and tell us how great their experience was at YJG or Miari or where ever else they DONT TAKE FOREIGNERS!!
I think Koreans or Korean Americans need to post positive post and information on places they will take us.
[/i][/QUOTE]Seoulman, you seem very fustrated, you need to relax and get laid now. Have you stopped mongering, if you have you need to start and relax. I post in this board to help everyone out, man talk about self-centered. ;) you think only non-Asians and non-Koreans that read this board. Everyone needs the info here or they wouldn't be coming here. Posting about places that don't take foreigners might be fustrating but at least you know about the place and can take a crack at it. Even places like YJG and 588 that aren't foreigner friendly do take foreigners sometimes according to posts here, so wouldn't you rather know about them. I would think ALL info is good info.
Maybe you should ask some of you're English speaking Korean friends to help you out. Even the people here, like myself.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]I think Koreans or Korean Americans need to post positive post and information on places they will take us..
[/i][/QUOTE]I would but kinda hard since I won't know if they take non-Koreans or not when I go there. Plus even if I ask I'm sure most places would deny it to me but still take foreigners, so you don't want misinformation.
Good luck man, and to everyone else.
Mool
Biz card size with girl's pic: They are every where in Seoul on cars windows. You call and they send you a girl but not the girl on the card. They look about average but no stunners. The going price is about 100,000 to 130,000. They would show up in an hour after you called. The service is not gfe so don't expect too much.
Room Salon Girls: I had the pleasure of seeing about half dozen room salon girls after drinking at their establishment with clients in Seoul. I paid 300,000 each time for a girl but before I take them out, I make sure that the girl stays no less than 3 hours or sleep in until the morning. So far, I have not been ripped off perhaps only because the host (my client) has taken me to his regular room salon places and mamasan or owner knows him well so they are perhaps told to treat me as vip.
FInkle: On my next visit to Seoul, I hope to frequent Finkle near the Starbucks after reading about the hobbiests' reviews here. I have visited other barber shops with varying experiences from handjob to blow job (she spitted out) to full service. Hinging on the service you get, the prices were 60,000 to 90,000 with 20,000 tip.
Turkish bath: I have only gone to one place in a hotel (I think the name is Green Grass?) and someone here had said this place has closed down. What a pity!
Coffeeshops: Where in Seoul can I get some coffee deliver to my hotel and get service by a young girl? Does anyone know?
Moolman:
Dude, I really don't get what you're saying. I would actually be GLAD if YJG was more foreigner-friendly but it's not. I'm not a Korean so why the heck would I try to keep the place 'non-Korean-free' like you say? I'm just quite pissed by my past experiences in the place and am trying to warn other people who might plan to take the trip there. And my opinion is that it ain't worth it.
As for nico, I'm interested in hearing what kind of girl he ended up with while there. Maybe his luck had to do with his looks as he's probably closer to 'Korean looking' than I. LOL.
Seoulman:
You should lighten up. I am not Korean or Korean American but don't blame them for reporting reality.
The fact of the matter is that the best places in Korea are the places where foreigners don't go. It is the place guys like us go with a Korean and then after demonstrating oursleves can go on our own.
Foreigners have turned Itaewon into a cest pool, the worst place in Korea with every slime bag in country hanging there.
I suggest that you spend a bit more per visit to improve the quality over quantity.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Love Taipei
[i]Seoulman:
You should lighten up. I am not Korean or Korean American but don't blame them for reporting reality.
The fact of the matter is that the best places in Korea are the places where foreigners don't go. It is the place guys like us go with a Korean and then after demonstrating oursleves can go on our own.
Foreigners have turned Itaewon into a cest pool, the worst place in Korea with every slime bag in country hanging there.
I suggest that you spend a bit more per visit to improve the quality over quantity. [/i][/QUOTE]Actually, Itaewan is much worse now than it ever used to be. Remember, those girliebars, especially those on the bottom end of hooker hill NEVER used to be there. They are recent additions, as are the girlie bars on the street at the top of HH that connects it to Fags's Way (which parallels HH).
Also, there used to be a lot more discos open, and prior to the 1990s Korean college students thought Itaewan was a good place to go.
Further, the number of non-white foreigners (3d workers) has increased a whole lot only in the last few years as rents in other parts of Seoul (needlessly) rose dramatically. Strangely, the crime rate has also increased in that period in Itaewan.
The decay of Itaewan is a result of: The rise of other night areas; the loss of a Korean crowd; the increase in 3-d workers and crime; the lack of investment by local businesses;the inability for those businesses to compete with other markets; a drop in the foreign population in Itaewan; the anti-foreign mentality that has grown among Koreans as a result of both perceived insults by foreigners, increased prestige abroad and thus an increase in the idea that Koreans are "superior" to foreigners.
Seoulman:
Don't worry so much about that bro. The Koreans shouldn't have problems anyway since this is their original homeland. So you gotta expect them to be able to have their way with their own women :) Frankly, i kinda enjoy their posts.
D
But anyway, it's like going to a place like Paris or Amsterdam, I'm sure the Korean guys would feel the same way you're feeling if they go to Europe and try to bang a hot chick there (although I gotta admit that the girls in Europe don't really discriminate as much as the girls in Korea do)
Just enjoy yourself and take whatever comes along.
*sigh* I sure miss Amsterdam. The girls there never gave me any problems :)
TheContinental,
To reply to your post, I have tried adultfriendfinder.com and had some good luck there with Korean gals, but I haven't tried koreafriendfinder.com. I suspect this sight is more for locating the consummate GFE. Another sight that is good if you are looking to hook up for the real thing is match.com (they have an international arena too). All these mentioned are pay sites. Good luck.
C.
I have to admit I was briefly sketched by the Korean only dialogue, but I think Love Taipei may be right (especially about Itaewon: what a shithole). We "long noses" represent--especially in these last 50+ years--a type of infiltration threat to a non-pluralist society. This culture is 5,000 years old; with this much history, we can expect some ethnocentricity on the part of Koreans. No matter how long a white person stays in Korea, this person will never be a Korean. I, for one, can live with that. On the topic of enthnocentricity meets pussy, I have been happy with the hobbying that I have found in the Seoul Metro area. I wouldn't think to go to the outskirts for the upskirts.
Seoul Brother, I am eager to know more about your experiences near Omokgyo. Please give directions if you are willing to share.
Can anyone suggest the best hang outs in Hong dae for meeting gals?
No dude.. that facts are.. even if you go with a korean you will be turned away! doesnt matter if you offer to pay triple!
rdlight districts anyway of course miari you can get laid and the other places are possible are right times with right girls but usually NO!!
fact is we are looked down on! man a choosy *****!
I cant believe it what is this world coming to!
they dont want to be degraded by doing a foreigner!!
HELLO they are hookers!!
roomsalons and other establishments if you are with a korean who is a regular then you should be treated ok..
their are places where we do get treated fairly..
I am saying why bother reporting a place where you know they will not take foreigners!!?
Itaewon? hahhhaa yes it is a cest pool..
just when I hear comments from korean americans saying ohh man I had no problems when I went to 588 or YJG.OF course you didnt you are KOREAN! thats what I mean.. I want to hear positive post about places where foreigners have been and been laid or pick up places from freelancers!!!
still 350.000 for short time??? OUCH!!
like the ritz carlton hang out there near the 7-11 or just walk around at night you will be approached by pimps! thats always good remember to BARTER people!!
I guess my previous post to seoulman was censored or something because it's not showing up.
[blue]It wasn't censored, you just didn't give me time to review it.
Jackson[/blue]
Anyway, my main point is that this forum is for everybody, not just non-Koreans. So posting about places that don't take non-Koreans should be encouraged because there's plenty of Korean-Americans, Korean-?, or Asians looking for action. They should be directed to the best places. Let's not be selfish here, just ignore the posts that don't pretain to you and move on. The extra info about all the places help.
Mool
Just because someone is a hooker, doesn't mean they can't choose who to sleep with. Being a hooker doesn't mean you have to do whoevers got cash. I know some may go to brothels where the girls are forced there and must sleep with every guy that comes in the door. But let's not support those places.
At least give hookers some respect, maybe not much since they sell their bodies but they are people. Hell, we suck more for buying. :)
Mool
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]
just when I hear comments from korean americans saying ohh man I had no problems when I went to 588 or YJG.OF course you didnt you are KOREAN! thats what I mean.. I want to hear positive post about places where foreigners have been and been laid or pick up places from freelancers!!!
[/i][/QUOTE]Well, I posted some comments about the reason Itaewan has become a "cesspool."
So, you want places where you can pick up ladies. A sure thing for ANYBODY is a old time dance hall (suddenly I forget what they are called.) This is where many divorcess dance the night away to the waltz and other slow dance tunes. beware: they are very good dancers! One at every subway stop, practically, even in Chongrangri.
Other places you r SURE to get a prostitute: In between Chongrangri and Chegi-dong subway stops is a RLD full of old 'hos. Direction: Get off at Chegi-dong Subway, start walking toward Chongrangri on the main street, turn right at the first main road, walk 7-8 minutes to the first 4-way. The mamasans will find you.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
...I am saying why bother reporting a place where you know they will not take foreigners!!?
[/i][/QUOTE]Seoulman - I think Jackson intended this forum intended for ANYONE who seeks information on our little hobby, regardelss of whether that person is an expat, Korean-American, or a "regular" Korean who speaks our language and wants to expand his reaches or contribute to ours.
[blue]You are correct, this is an equal opportunity website.
Jackson[/blue]
Just a quick question: which clinic or hospital in Seoul do you guys usually go for a regular checkup? I'm sorry if it may seem a bit strange to be posting this on this thread, but I was just curious and wanted to know of a place a foreigner could go to just in case anything might happen.
The last time I had a blood test was when I was in the States last year and my results were totally clean, and from the time I was here I have always practiced safe sex, but I would just like to know of a place I can check my blood on a regular basis...is there any place a foreigner could go? If so, where, and how much? Can you test anonymously or must you disclose your personal info to them?
Thanks in advance (Jackson, please post this).
Sorry Jackson, I thought something was wrong since you usually only take a day before posting.
Anyway, I got a field report from a friend on Bop Won Ri, the RLD next to YJG. They still have the schoolgirl fetish house, it's on the main road there. BWR is the easiest to find since you can see it on the main road. As your going to find YJG, you'll most likely find BWR because YJG is kinda hidden from the road and the YJG is kinda on a side road. BWR is on the main road to North Korea. When you come to a T in the road, where you make a 90 degree left or right, you went to far.
I don't know if this is typical BWR service, BWR is a little smaller than YJG. Lately, I'm told the girls don't hassle you as much and grab you. I hated that because your clothes get messed up. I ruined a nice polo shirt that way. I think the cops are clamping down on that kind of behavior. The only good part about it was getting a good FEEL for each girl before you choose. I don't really care for it, cause I have a specific look in a girl I look for. BWR has the typical big neon signs everywhere about half of the houses were closed. But that's with YJG too. In BWR there seems to be more single girls, like 1 or 2 girls per house instead of like a whole gang of them in each one together. Maybe better since it's more personal. In BWR the service was average, maybe it was just the girl but it was just straight sex, with not much massaging, licking, and no rim job. I'm guessing it was the girl though. The quality in terms of looks is very good overall. Not many fat girls, most were in the 7-10 range. Just an ok experience. Of course the same no condom policy.
All these places take Credit Card of course, I wonder how they stop people from denying the charges afterwards, like saying that the card was stolen. I'm guessing if you do it, there might be a mafia guy after you or something.
I think the best approach when haggling with the girls is to just straight out ask them, if they will give you good service. If you make them promise to give you good service, they seem to do a better job to keep that promise. I know this sounds retarded but maybe something about promises. Just don't pick a girl and go for it.
I'm working on the driving directions to YJG, kinda hard because of the crappy map system in Korea, not a detailed as the Thomas Guide and hard to use because of the messed up address system.
Mool
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Moolman
[i]Just because someone is a hooker, doesn't mean they can't choose who to sleep with. Being a hooker doesn't mean you have to do whoevers got cash. I know some may go to brothels where the girls are forced there and must sleep with every guy that comes in the door. But let's not support those places.
At least give hookers some respect, maybe not much since they sell their bodies but they are people. Hell, we suck more for buying. :)
Mool [/i][/QUOTE]
Couldn't agree more. Let's not discriminate people based on job status or gender. I've heard many stories and seen stuff in these RLDs where the girls are treated like shit. It really gets me angry to see how disrespectful some guys are towards these women.
Secondly, I'm a korean who didn't know jack about the sex industry in korea till I've read the WSG(lived almost all my life away from korea). This should be a forum for all, not just for non-koreans. If you happen to visit the Malaysian section, almost all members are locals who at times(but seldom) post in their native language. Do I have the right to tell them not to do that? Anyway, I've been to KL and some of the girls, knowing that I'm a foreigner have tried to rip money off by being way way unreasonable. Point is, if you are a foreigner you'll never have it easy as the locals wherever you are.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]fact is we are looked down on! man a choosy *****!
I cant believe it what is this world coming to!
[/i][/QUOTE]
Welcome to the real world!!!!So what if you have been looked down. I've encountered racism all my life. I'm not a racist but honestly, Caucasians have it easier than us asian or blacks or hispanics. Please don't tell me you guys have it hard... Do you know what it feels like being an asian living in Schenectady? Or be referred to as "chino" by unruly teenage punks on the streets.? Man I can tell you stories after stories....
As chris rock once said "If you are white, the sky is the limit, if you are black, they limit the sky!!!"
The world ain't coming into anything. Don't expect everything to be given to you on a silver plate.
Greetings gentlemen :)
Sorry for my late reply.
Since it is hard for non-Koreans to get service from working girls, I will try my best and provide as much info as possible.
1. If you are teaching English, hit on a student. I used to work at a Language Institute and I have seen my non-Korean co-workers get laid with their students. Some students are very open-minded and are willing to explore.
2. Itaewon: Don't go to the massage parlors or the RLD. They not only rip you off, but also have bad quality service! Visit the clubs there. The Korean girls that go to the clubs are easy and sl*tty. So it should be an easy task.
3. If you are white, just tell the girls that you are Dutch!
Hiddink (the former Korean Soccer Coach) is a legend and god in this country. So if you say that you are Dutch, it is worth a shot. Just mumble anything and they will believe that you are speaking in Dutch. Just add a little British accent into it. :)
4. The odds will increase at a RLD if you bring a Korean friend with you. I took a Canadian friend of mine to 588 and it was successful. But he had to pay 90,000 won. I told her that he was Dutch.
5. Next to the Renaissance Hotel (in southern Seoul) are a lot of massage parlors. My non-Korean friends have told me that they have been successful with ease.
6. If you are a non-Korean and you plan on going to YJG "without" a Korean friend, then DON'T! There are many Korean troops there and they will give you this dirty look and call you names, I had to break up an argument between American and Korean troops and it was not a pretty sight.
Afterwards, I tried to get the American troop into one of the wh*re houses but they said no.
I told her, "My god, this dude is helping keep peace in Korea, he's away from his family and friends and you still won't do him?" "Cut us some slack, he is willing to pay you 100,000." The girl still said no.
I'm sorry but this is all the info that I can provide. If I know any more, I will post the.
Hey Mool, I like your idea of a trip to YJG. :)
I'm in the States on business. I shall return to Korea within two weeks.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Lord - decided to go to Shinyoungsan RDL Sunday AM at around 5:30am to see what nice girls might be left out after Saturday night. Never seen so many OLD ajama's in my life. After about 3 times around the B & C rows (A row offlimits to non-koreans) found a nice b+ for W60,000. Not to bad, BBBJ and a nice lap ride till done.
But nothing campared to Finkle - guess that will be my home away from home now.
WW
SeoulBlade:
Sorry man, I thought you were Korean trying to discourage guys from going there. I'm going to try to get my white friend some service at YJG, that's my goal this year..haha.. and I'll report back if it works. Maybe I'll try to say he's Dutch like others suggested and make him speak in an accent. :)
Anyway, I'm off on a surprise business trip and I will be in Seoul and Manila from 7/15/03 and 7/18/03. I may try some mongering depending on the schedule. Korea for sure but lately I've been having second thoughts about Manila because of some things that happened last time.
Drop me a line if anybody is in Seoul or Manila during that time.
gold123@email.com
I'll post my adventures in Seoul if I have any.
Good luck all.
Mool
Seoul Blade,
Do NOT have an HIV test done here, because if (God forbid) you are a foreigner and test +, the clinic is by law required to report it IMMEDIATELY. You will then be picked up by NIS for retesting, followed by a period of investigation into your sexual life in order to establish a list of other individuals you exposed. During this time you will be detained /"quarantined."
At the end of the process you will be deported.
The above info is from a MD friend of mine who runs the ICU at a major Seoul hospital.
Obviously the govt does not publicize this approach as it would defeat the purpose of their immediate containment doctrine.
As draconian as this approach is, it appears to work (at least to a certain degree). Taking Korea's official HIV stats, and even multiplying them by 5 in order to negate the govt. bullshit factor and error margins, Korea's incidence rate is liliputian.
(Isn't our beloved moderator in medicine? J, if ya read this feel free to add any thoughts)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulSurvivor
[i]I am doing my best to share information. Based on these descriptions I present the following [b]Monger's Guide to FinKL[/b]:
[i]"Swastika"[/i]: [b]So-Yeon[/b] (appearance 9, service 9)
[i]"Short, ringletty hair"[/i]: [b]Byeol-i[/b] ("Star") (appearance 6.5, service 11)
[[/i][/QUOTE]Went to Finkel this morning (Monday) at 2am - figured it would quiet and easy - got Byeol-i - not as good a service as So-Yeon. Where So-Yeon is a GFE, Byeol-i was more mechanical. Great BBBJ and kept at it, but was strictly wanting me to "get to it" when the main event started.
I would rate looks at a 6 and service around a 7, But So-Yeon, looks 9 service 11.
WW
This is a short report!
Went to Seoul and stayed in Ritz Carlton. Called for massage service in my room and the receptionist asked if i wanted a guy or a girl (WTF??) Ofcourse I wanted a girl!
Then, she said it costs 33000 for 30 mins and I thought it meant a korean beauty will turn up but an old 60 or 60+ turned up. I didnt want to open the door after having checked her thru the door. Anyway, let her in and her massage was as bad as her age and looks. She was saying something like 'young girl' 'young girl' and pointed her finger to her phone and I let her talk to someone and she said something like 'a young girl's going to turn up' and after 10 mins a slightly younger woman turned up. Although, she looked good but I wasn't purely looking for a massage.
I let the old lady go and as soon as we shut the door, the girl asked me to take off my kimono and I lay there naked on the bed she covered just my ass with a cloth and started giving me a good massage. I was hoping to ask her for action but she told me that she was 35 (with her fingers) and asked me 'you american' ?? with a great smile!! LoL
Of course, I'm not American!
Anyway, she continued the massage but I was in no mood to ask if she did anything more and just let her go.
Btw, they provide a laptop with internet in each hotel room and the first thing that the laptop will show up on the screen is links to korean porno Pay sites.
Checked one such site but it was crap! just like a XXX movie and not really hardcore!
Will post more details later!
Happy hunting :)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]This should be a forum for all, not just for non-koreans. If you happen to visit the Malaysian section, almost all members are locals who at times(but seldom) post in their native language. Do I have the right to tell them not to do that? . [/i][/QUOTE]Reminds me of when I first arrived in Korea, and everybody told me that Korean women were all virgins until married (I beleived them for a while).
As far as language is concerned, my vote would be: English should be the language of choice. If you want to post in Malaysian, wouldn't a Malaysian site be better? What is the point?
NY YANKEES: Let's get off the victimization trip. Everybody knows that Asians in the US have twice the number of college grads per capita; have a higher family income than all other ethnicities per capita; have higher % of managers and professiuonals per capita; have higher % of high school grads per capita. My sources? New York Times, 10/14/02, Journal of Statistics, Summer 2002. By the way, life is not supposed to be easy.
Assetman: Why is that procedure concerning tracking down AIDS positive partners so bad? We are not talking about the common cold, but a world-wide epidemic. Also, considering that WHO has siad China is about to ahve an AIDS disaster of huge proportions I think only re-enforces Korea's policy (per your last post).
Last I will post about any of the above.
New World Order,
MP around the Renaissance Hotel, are you talking Barber Shops or Turkish Bath? I stay at the Renaissance Hotel on my trip to Seoul, I have not seen to much action around Renaissance.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimhart69
[i]New World Order,
MP around the Renaissance Hotel, are you talking Barber Shops or Turkish Bath? I stay at the Renaissance Hotel on my trip to Seoul, I have not seen to much action around Renaissance. [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings jimhart69 :)
I was referring to turkish baths.
There are several places.
Direction to the places.
1. Stand in front of the main entrance (that faces the main road; Taehang-Ro). If you look to your right, you will see a small alley,....go there. Then. take a right and walk up that alley for about 40 meters (I'm not sure how much it is in feet.)
2. While walking up the hill, look to your left and you will see another small alley,.....go there. On both sides of the alley, are many motels (which are around 5--10 stories high). These motels will have signs reading "¾È¸¶" which means massage.
I will ask my name to tell me the name of the place where he goes to.
It is at the very end (and the right side) of the alley. Go in and you will see a shoe shine guy (he shines your shoes for free) and you will see two mamasans. One has long and curly hair. She is tall and thin. Just tell her that your Korean friend introduced you to her. Tell her that two of your co-workers who are Japanese and Italian also recommended the place.
The cost is 180,000 won (cash) and 190,000 won (credit card) for both Koreans and non-Koreans.
You will be escorted to a room by one of the mamasans while she grabs your hand (I have no f*ckin idea why they would grab our hands LOL ). You take your clothes off and put on a gown (I do not know what they call it in English). A blind lady walks in and gives you a massage for about 20 minutes.
Then you will be escorted to the shower room and the mamasan grabs your hand again. She should be grabbing something else. LOL :)
Your date walks in and gives you a shower, and then f*cks your brains out.
Personally, I think it is not worth 180,000 won. I would rather go to Pinkle and spend half the amount.
As for you non-Koreans, there are many open-minded Korean girls who would love to date non-Koreans!!! Go to places like HongDae and Itaewon. All the sl*tty girls go to Itaewon. If you are looking for a girlfriend, go to Hongdae. If you want a sex partner, then go to Itaewon.
I hope this info helps you all.
Sincerely,
New World Order
P.S. Somebody posted a report about Seo Yeon from Pinkle. That girl does scream and yell~~~ :)
Sorry for the late post but I have been busy. I went to the Finkle 11 Jul on my way back from Asan Medical Center since it was on the way. Now I had been there a week before and asked for So-Hyun but she was gone. I was kinda hoping she would be gone again so I could spend my money elsewhere, but to my suprise she was there and available. Now I must say IMHO So-Hyun has the best body and is the best looking one there. I made some small talk with her and then asked to see the tatoo to make sure it was her. She then gave me a decent massage and then led me to the upstairs shower and small room. All I can say is that she has to be the best one there at what she does. If you have never experienced her you are truly missing out. When I go there from now on if she's not there I will leave. She does things that are amazing. Though I did find it odd the ajuma asked for more money than the $100.00 US I gave her. I don't know if it's because they have more customers or what. Has this happened to anyone else?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]
As far as language is concerned, my vote would be: English should be the language of choice. If you want to post in Malaysian, wouldn't a Malaysian site be better? What is the point?
NY YANKEES: Let's get off the victimization trip. Everybody knows that Asians in the US have twice the number of college grads per capita; have a higher family income than all other ethnicities per capita; have higher % of managers and professiuonals per capita; have higher % of high school grads per capita. My sources? New York Times, 10/14/02, Journal of Statistics, Summer 2002. By the way, life is not supposed to be easy.
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I see your point in all and I'm not disputing any of it. Infact, I do agree with almost everything that you have mentioned. However, my point is, if I told them to translate what they meant in english, they will kindly do so, but if I told them straight out not to post in their native language, they'll tell me to go **** myself... Point is, if you are nice and polite and not demanding like it is expected, everything will be pretty much vice versa.
I know we asians are the "token overachievers" but sometimes having status and money isn't everything. I never did say life was easy anyway. Like what Mastercard says "There are things money can't buy" One main reason asian families have all these higher capitas? 'Cause they are sick of being victimised and want to climb up the ladder. But do all these necessarily bring you equality? I hope it does and do wish that it will be so, but we all live in the real world...
As there is a saying some people will see a glass of water and see that it is half empty and others half full, so let's put all our differences aside and get back to what is important. Chicks...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by nico
[i]
Now I had been there a week before and asked for So-Hyun but she was gone.
Though I did find it odd the ajuma asked for more money than the $100.00 US I gave her. I don't know if it's because they have more customers or what. Has this happened to anyone else? [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings nico :)
So Hyun was gone that day because the working girls get a day off (only once a month!!!) Besides, she is probably on her period. LOL :)
That stupid mamasan is trying to rip us guys again. Tell her that $1 = 1150 won. Therefore, you are giving her 115000 won instead of 90,000 won.
Next time, just give her 80 dollars.
Or go to any Korean bank and exchange your dollars into Korean won. All you need is an ID and there is no fee.
I am currently on a business trip to Minneapolis. I went to Mall of America. I heard that this is the 2nd largest mall in the world!!!
New World Order,
Where is Finkle?
What is the best way to get there?
In Itaewon, what is the best place to hang out for some fun?
I lived in Seoul from 84 thru 93, knew the place to have fun, but now I get to Seoul twice a year, and I am lost. The scene has change so much. I am looking to have some fun on my fall trip, and I am wondering where to go for some fun? Any ideas?
hello s. korean board.
first and foremost, i wanted to thank a good number of you guys for providing such insightful information for fellow johns looking to hobby in s. korea. i have gained invaluable information, and actually reached out to a number of you via backchannel emails (mine is mpleasuresn@hotmail.com).
i will be in korea towards the end of july on business, and i wanted to do all my homework before i touch down in my motherland. i have been in the hobby a number of years, and although i do not post as frequently anymore, i have legitimate posts in the nyc - manhattan board a number of months back.
i would love to hear what some of you can recommend. i would like to sample a wide variety of women, but mainly would be interested in upscale providers or nice bath houses. at this point, i will be traveling alone, and would probably rule out meeting non-pros at the clubs (although this would prob be most enjoyable). so, if anyone can provide me with help, it would be appreciated. you can hit me on this board or at my email address listed above.
thanks for making this forum such a wealth of info.
let the peoples feast!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimhart69
[i]New World Order,
Where is Finkle?
What is the best way to get there?
In Itaewon, what is the best place to hang out for some fun?
I lived in Seoul from 84 thru 93, knew the place to have fun, but now I get to Seoul twice a year, and I am lost. The scene has change so much. I am looking to have some fun on my fall trip, and I am wondering where to go for some fun? Any ideas? [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings jimhard69 :)
To get to Finkle:
There is a Starbucks at the Yeoksam station area and it faces the main road (Tae-hang-ro). The main entrance of Starbucks is facing towards a small alley (and not the main road).
Stand in front of the main entrance. You will see two small alleys. Go to the alley that is on the left. Enter the alley and walk (for about 20 meters) until you see another alley on your left.
Walk and on your right, you will see a glass door and a barbor pole of each side. The sign will read "ÇÎŬ" in white letters on a pink background. If you open the glass door, you will see a red-colored stairway down. Go downstairs and you will see the mamasan eating a f*ckin banana and one of the working girls sucking on an ice cream. LOL :)
Tell them that a Korean-American from Chicago introduced you to that place. :)
Itaewon, one club I went to was Hollywood. A lot of sl*tty Korean girls go there to meet foreign men. I lie to the girls that I am half Japanese. LOL :)
Good luck~~~
Sincerely,
New World Order
The Continental -
I think you misunderstood my position. Actually, I fully support it. It's draconian, but it works.
Rgds,
AM.
Dont get me wrong.. I NEVER said korean/americans or asians should not post on this board..
What I am saying is..
if you are korean/american or korean or whatever.. then please say so in your post...
you last night I went to 588 had this model she was a 9 etc..
the GFE the whole nine yards..
because newbies will get the wrong ideA~
they will go to 588 and get spit on and thing to themselves WTF!!
that other guy on WSg was either full of shit or he must of looked like brad pitt!!
at the end of each post just say BTW I am korean...
I know as do a lot of others that Korea is racist and xenophobic.
woman have the right to choose? well if you ask me most of the hookers would take us but its because the KOREAN MEN dont like it.. thats the only reason.. if a girl is seen serving a foreigner she is looked down on and will lose business and be called a dirty *****! hahahah i'm serious..
its not because she doesnt want to.. I ThINK SHE WOULD PREFER TO SLEEP WITH US over a 65 year old fat smelly ADUSI!
but she will choose him over us..
I am happy to read posts from everyone koreans or not..
but I want to know if you are korean or not that why I can save myself a trip!
thats all..
and too that guy who was bragging about asians being the best!
SETTLE DOWN SPORT!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]
I know as do a lot of others that Korea is racist and xenophobic.
woman have the right to choose? well if you ask me most of the hookers would take us but its because the KOREAN MEN dont like it.. thats the only reason.. if a girl is seen serving a foreigner she is looked down on and will lose business and be called a dirty *****! hahahah i'm serious..
its not because she doesnt want to.. I ThINK SHE WOULD PREFER TO SLEEP WITH US over a 65 year old fat smelly ADUSI!
but she will choose him over us..
[/i][/QUOTE]
I'll have to agree with whatever you have said but I don't really think that that is the only reason. But that's probably the main reason like it or not. Anyway I think it is safe to say that all the korean men in WSG(be it korean american or whatever else) are not racist and what not. Otherwise, we wouldn't be posting stuff on this website for the benefit of non-koreans. Let's all live happily and act like grown ups because honestly, this talk of racism and cultural relativism is seriously getting tired and repetitous. So no more laments about asshole korean men and then some. Enough of the stereotyping and complains. Let's get back to the goodies...
From talking to the girls I've met, the main reason they've told me that they won't serve non-Koreans is because of a fear of STDs, even with condom use. I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit. Some of these girls are dumb as nuts. Like I said in my previous post, one girl thought she would get an STD because I wanted to use a rubber. Since they prefer or don't require a rubber, maybe they think they will get a STD from going BB and on top of that some think you can get an STD from the condom. Seriously, there's a reason why some girls work in this profession.
Mool
OK, here's what I think. BTW I am a guy from SE Asian nation living in Korea for two years.
Korean working girls don't want to do it with foreigners because they don't want to be labeled as a 'non-Korean server' by their co-workers or the people around them.
Serving foreigners means she is either too ugly or too old to have enough Korean customers. What they fear the most is being gossipped by the women around them actually.
When I had Korean girlfriend, what bothered me the most were her friends who constantly asked her to break up with me. And also the ajummas were the ones who gave us dirty looks.
In my opion, as long as the girl is NOT cute, Korean men don't give a shit whether she does it with a pig.
Why do you guys think you have never seen a really cute Korean girl hanging out with a foreigner?
Greetings~~~ :)
Most of the working girls are working because they need to pay off debt such as credit card debt, housing, family debt, etc.
Also, most of them have no special skills which are required in today's world--computer skills, English, etc.
I'm stuck and bored in Minnesota so I called up an escort to my hotel. She arrvies an hour later and wanted $300 for everything!!! I told her to leave. She then told me that there is a $40 fee for her coming all the way here. So I gave her the $40.
I miss Korea..... :(
Ottoman,
You are some what correct on the working girls in Korea. But I can tell you, after living in Korea for ten year and now traveling to Korea multiple times a year for another 10 years on business, that is not completely true.
What will help you with all the girls in Korea, is learn Korean and also the culture. If you know the laugage and the culture, you accept by the girls. And you will find girls wanting to talk to you. I have been in many Korean only clubs and bars and had great luck with the girl, both pro and non-pro. I am a average looking white American, not thing special. If you just have fun with girls, and the they enjoy talking with you, you will find the girls line up.
Korea is great! Today, the girls are allot more open with the foreigner than 20 years ago. 20 years ago, if a girl was seen in public with a foreigner, this made her a pro in the eyes of the Korean people. Not today!
To start you down this road and learn what the girls like. Hang out at place that foreigner are accepted and talk to the girls; like the Hard Rock, TGI Fridays, Inter-Continental Hotel Club, etc. Start talking to the non-pro girls and it will help you with the pro's and the non-pros. Good luck!
jimhart69
Thanks for the advice. it's always nice to hear an opinion from an expert.
JimHart: Good post. I don't disagree with anything you said. I have lived in Korea for the past 5 years. But I also lived here before the 88 Olympics and I was extremely spoiled by those days when it was too easy to meet girls. But I guess I am older now and only ajummas chase me. But it sures beats the U.S. where there isn't the same quality of massage places and all...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimhart69
[i]Ottoman,
What will help you with all the girls in Korea, is learn Korean and also the culture. If you know the laugage and the culture, you accept by the girls. And you will find girls wanting to talk to you. I have been in many Korean only clubs and bars and had great luck with the girl, both pro and non-pro. I am a average looking white American, not thing special. If you just have fun with girls, and the they enjoy talking with you, you will find the girls line up.
Korea is great! Today, the girls are allot more open with the foreigner than 20 years ago. 20 years ago, if a girl was seen in public with a foreigner, this made her a pro in the eyes of the Korean people. Not today!
To start you down this road and learn what the girls like. Hang out at place that foreigner are accepted and talk to the girls; like the Hard Rock, TGI Fridays, Inter-Continental Hotel Club, etc. Start talking to the non-pro girls and it will help you with the pro's and the non-pros. Good luck! [/i][/QUOTE]Excellent advice, I never thought about heading to the HR at all. I guess it is in Apguchong?
I will also agree that learning the langauge and appreciating the culture is the KEY that opens the door to meeting girls.
With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.
Also, anyone on here who thinks they are posting for the "benefit" of non-Koreans is sadly mistaken. This board is not a pre-req for finding pros in Seoul. It is an information exchange.
Speaking of which, I have heard much talk about picking up girls in Hongdae. Any stories about that?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Greetings~~~ :)
I'm stuck and bored in Minnesota so I called up an escort to my hotel. She arrvies an hour later and wanted $300 for everything!!! I told her to leave. She then told me that there is a $40 fee for her coming all the way here. So I gave her the $40.
I miss Korea..... :( [/i][/QUOTE]$300? I would say that is the going rate. Some escorts in the US will say $180-200 "full-service." But, "for everything" you have to start upping the anti by $25 increments.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]
With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.
Also, anyone on here who thinks they are posting for the "benefit" of non-Koreans is sadly mistaken. This board is not a pre-req for finding pros in Seoul. It is an information exchange.
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Maybe I'm taking this the wrong way and do pinpoint it if I'm wrong(we always have to assume the writer's tone in written forms) but I feel like you are singling me out with unfair criticism.
I sure am not posting my FRs and infos for the benefits of non-koreans and I'm pretty sure nobody actually post infos with such intentions be it koreans or non. Like you said, this forum is nothing more than an information exchange center. Maybe you didn't like the term "benefit" but that is exactly what this is all about. If the informations weren't beneficial, no one would come around to WSG. I know I have benefitted greatly from other people's information and I don't think there's anything wrong with that(just as long as I give back to the community).
Seriously, this forum has become a political forum of late and I really don't know why you have to bring about your criticism of korean society at every chance that you get. I think it is hypocritical of you to bash korean society at every corner and then wanting to sleep with korean women. Make up your mind bro!! Frankly I do hope you'll chose the later and don't worry too much about the former. I hope you are not offended in anyway, I was trying to be positive.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Greetings jimhard69 :)
To get to Finkle:
There is a Starbucks at the Yeoksam station area and it faces the main road (Tae-hang-ro). The main entrance of Starbucks is facing towards a small alley (and not the main road).
Stand in front of the main entrance. You will see two small alleys. Go to the alley that is on the left. Enter the alley and walk (for about 20 meters) until you see another alley on your left.
Walk and on your right, you will see a glass door and a barbor pole of each side. The sign will read "ÇÎŬ" in white letters on a pink background. If you open the glass door, you will see a red-colored stairway down. Go downstairs and you will see the mamasan eating a f*ckin banana and one of the working girls sucking on an ice cream. LOL :)
Tell them that a Korean-American from Chicago introduced you to that place. :)
Itaewon, one club I went to was Hollywood. A lot of sl*tty Korean girls go there to meet foreign men. I lie to the girls that I am half Japanese. LOL :)
Good luck~~~
Sincerely,
New World Order [/i][/QUOTE]Well, after more positive than negative about Finkle or Pinkle or whatever, decided to try it out. Directions weren't too bad but here is a few corrections or differences I found. Take the alley from Starbucks as described (left alley), then take the first alley to the right. Finkle is on the left. I walked around several streets and alley's to make sure I had the right place (only one with a pink sign with white letters, red carpet at the enterance).
I specifically asked for Star. Not a lot of English being thrown around but she met the descriptions previously posted here so I think it was her.
Everything also as described up until you get to the "action" after the shower. All she could do was whine how big I was and she couldn't take me. Hey, I'm just a regular guy and all I really wanted was a bj, but even that wasn't going to happen.
I should have adiosed right then and asked for some of my $100 back, but then I got stupid and figured there wasn't going to be any shooting for a while because she'd totally ruined the event with all the things she "couldn't do", so I decided to make her stroke long and hard for her money.
Any, if she's hit and miss, depending on the mood, I would recommend you go somewhere else (like Amsterdam - what a great time I had there a couple of days ago)!
Cheers!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]With regards to the Se Asian, well most Koreans realize that it is somewhat hypocritical of them to chastize foreigners with Korean girls, considering the influence of foreign countries in building Korea's economy.[/i][/QUOTE]Frankly, I think the statement that you made above is quite delusional; I don't know of any Korean who knows of such 'hypocrisy' you're talking about. Let me see, so in your mind you believe that if a country A helps another country B, B must accept that A has an automatic right to be with B's women? It doesn't exactly work that way, friend. Think about it: If your own motherland country got help from another country, would you readily accept that this country has an automatic right to be with your country's women? This is common sense, man. Geez, put yourself in the Koreans' shoes for once. Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.
And I do agree with what NY Yankees said, you do seem to tend to bash Korean men every chance you get in your posts. Any personal feelings you have against the Korean guys?
Seoulblade,
Yeah I was also going to stress exactly what you wrote but thought my message was getting long and winded. Let me just add, no country helps another country merely out of sympathy and pity. Everything is business, the foreign countries sure didn't help korea just out of good will. I'm sure those foreign countries benefitted very well finacially too, due to korea's boom. Continental's remark sure sounds like as if the koreans must bow down and hand them the town keys. Like I said before, let's just put our differences aside and enjoy life while it's there.
Screw all this political, social, etc. BS happening here, lets get back to the subject at hand, I just got back from the philippines and I will post my FR there but for here I just got back from Young Joo Gol.
As I'm writing this, it's 3am on 7/23, just got back from there and I drove myself, so I will try to give directions, the best I can.
The first thing you are looking for is Camp Stanton, the US Army base, if you figure out where that is, you just found YJG.
Starting from Seoul Station, you know there's like 6 streets that intersect there, you take the most left one, when facing the streets from Seoul Station. Anyway, you are looking for Station 320 Kubabal, from there the road splits, one that keeps going where the subway goes and one that goes toward Paju. When going on the road that the subway runs along, basically, just keep going straight while at Kubabal, the subway will fork to the right road. You stay on this road forever, when you think you went to far, keep going, it's like 30km on this road I think. You pass small bridges, you will come upon a fork in the road kinda, let me explains, first off there is some small stone monument with the Lions Club symbol underneath, hopefully, you guys know what the Lions Club is, it's a L with some fancy design around it, the signs around it will say Paju City Hall, you don't go that way, you can go straight to Paju City Hall but the road on the right lane curves, not a 90 degree turn but a slow right bend. Remember to look for the stone monument with Korean on it, with the Lions Club symbol on the bottom. Ok, now you are on the correct road, from here there are a couple of ways to go but the easiest is, you come upon a bridge, there's an overpass, the first big overpass, like when you are on a freeway and there's a big overpass/road above you. Go underneath the overpass and then make the first possible right turn, you come to a small road, some construction going on, it's a booney road, just keep going until you get to a T in the road, you must go left or right, on the right you will see the Family Mart, you know you are at the right place, next make a Left, you will pass Camp Stanton, salute the the men that protect your freedom, now keep going, you pass a big mountain, keep going over the mountain, when you get to the next big town, keep looking on the left side, you can't miss the lights, if you see another Family Mart, you just passed it, turn around 20 yards and unless you are seriously blind, you won't miss it. It's right before the small bridge.
It was pretty dangerous for me to go there tonight because of the weather, it's pouring like crazy in Seoul right now but this is the only night I'm here so I had to stop by since it's been awhile and I did promise you all directions to the place.
Obviously, the best thing to do, if my directions are sucky is to figure out where Camp Stanton is, from there one road goes toward YJG and the other toward the Family Mart at the T of the road. You're basically between 2 Family Marts at the two towns.
And being that Camp Stanton is like 10 minutes from there and I never seen one American GI, I guess it's known that they don't take foreigners there but when I was there at the back alleys, I said I was looking for my white friend so that this girl would let go of my shirt and I was telling her that he got refused service and I didn't want him to be sad, she told me to bring him after I was done with her, so I don't know if she just said that to make me a customer at the moment but she did offer, the one I did finally get service from said she never takes foreigners and that they don't do that there.
I'm very tired and I will post my experience there in a couple of days of what happened, as well as my philippines expericence so check there too.
Mool
[quote]originally posted by moolman
[i]from talking to the girls i've met, the main reason they've told me that they won't serve non-koreans is because of a fear of stds, even with condom use. i think that's kinda understandalbe since if i had to take my chances, i that's what i would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit. some of these girls are dumb as nuts. like i said in my previous post, one girl thought she would get an std because i wanted to use a rubber. since they prefer or don't require a rubber, maybe they think they will get a std from going bb and on top of that some think you can get an std from the condom. seriously, there's a reason why some girls work in this profession.
mool [/i][/quote]
jesus dude!!
and you believe this????
since when is koreas health care system better than that of the west?
all korean men well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers!!!
these same men who go to thailand, philipines, south east asia and have sex without condoms!!
and they think we have stds? hahaahahahhahaha
do these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us??
jesus chirst!!
i dont want to bash koreans or korea... but i have lived here for 7 years now.. i know a little about korean men and woman!
koreans are hyprocrites!! and embezzling, cheating , takers!!
they hate it when foreigners beat them in anything, they hate it when foreigners sleep with korean girls!!
just look at the stupid events like the winter olympics with the ice speed skating appolo ono.. how childish they acted!!
look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
but 30 children are killed daily on the roads here!!
banning foreigners from restaurants, bars etc...
it goes on and on! and yes i know this is not the place to talk about it!! so i will stop!!
one last thing in the united states of america!!
and other civalized countries!!!
its illegal to discriminate!!!
illegal!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled decent humans!!!
dont get me wrong!! i am generalizing.. i love this country and its people!! but these are facts too!!!
p.s this is my last post about koreans in general!
from now on its sex sex sex only!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]JESUS DUDE!!
and you believe this????
since when is Koreas health care system better than that of the west?
ALL KOREAN MEN well 90% dont wear condoms when they sleep with hookers! These same men who go to THAILAND, PHILIPINES, South East Asia and have sex without condoms and they think we have STDS? hahaahahahhahaha
DO these *****s really think their men are cleaner than us?[/i][/QUOTE]Look seoulman,
I never said that non-Koreans have STD's and Koreans don't. I never implied discrimination, I never implied that Koreans were good, Koreans were bad, whatever, can you please, please stop the social commentaries.
All I said was that when I asked a hooker the reasoning behind why she didn't accept foreigners, that's the answer I recieved, I'm just conveying what I heard, not giving a commentary, or my own opinion on things. Like my posts said, the "girls are dumb as nuts". What she told me makes no logical or practical sense to any person but that's what was presented to me and that's what I am reporting because it pertains to the subject of prostitution in South Korea, which is what this forums main topic is.
I never said I agreed with the statements and I make it clear that what I was told sounds stupid. No social commentary intended in any statement.
Yes, I agree with you, let's stick with SEX SEX SEX.
Mool
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]
one last thing IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!!
and other civalized countries!!!
ITS ILLEGAL TO DISCRIMINATE!!!
ILLEGAL!! you can be arrested or your business closed down!!
Korea has a long way to go before they can be labelled Decent humans!!! [/i][/QUOTE]
By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i](1)I really don't know why you have to bring about your criticism of Korean society at every chance that you get.
(2)Otherwise, we wouldn't be posting stuff on this website for the benefit of non-koreans.
SEOULBLADE: Economy and the social world are two different things. I may be a foreigner but I know the difference between privilege and preference / choice. Yes, the Koreans may have gotten help from outside countries, but let's be real, please--we don't get automatic privilege in that way.[/i][/QUOTE](1)First of all, look at any one of my posts and you will see I have not brought up criticism of Korean society; Rather, I have simply responded to posts I feel may be bias toward one side of an argument. For example, when someone posed the idea that BGs were afraid of foreigners due to STDs, I simply brought up the point that STDs are very common in Korean society as well, including young women/non-pros (although maybe not AIDs or Herpes, but many of the usual minor STDs).
(2)Look what you wrote above. C'mon, you must admit you sound like you're doing certain people here a big favor. But, it is your choice to post here. No one is forcing you.
SEOULBLADE: My point was that you cannot invite people to your country to help reconstruct it, and not expect them to be at least mildly interested in participating in other aspects of it; You cannot embrace globalization and expect people to be uninterested in the foreign "merchandise" (so to speak).
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In any case, it is Summer time here in the US, and the Korean ladies are looking very nice.
Still no posts about the Hongdae scene?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]By your phrase, you are saying there are no discrimination in other countries... Just because it's illegal doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Korea has it's downsides and I do prefer the States thousand times more but I've seen worse things in NYC than in seoul. Every country has its pros and cons.
Reading all your messages, you seem to take great pleasure in bashing koreans and its culture. I'm fine with positive criticism but your post does nothing but fuel unnecessary controversies. Again, I'm not saying what you wrote doesn't exist but how you said it that's remarkable crude and childish.
Further, your reply to moolman doesn't make any sense. You are missing the point. He is criticizing the foolishness of the women and not being gullible. [/i][/QUOTE]
I suggest you read both messages again!
he said
" I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do"
so yeah and no never in any of my messages do I distriminate koreans or bash the koreans!!
I make generalizations and facts which are real!!
yes of course racism and distrimination is prevalent in the US and other 1st countries!!
BUT!! even though it goes on Those countries dont have signs up on their front doors! NO FOREIGNERS!!
NO BLACKS!
Foreigners must pay double!
Asian only club!!
NON ASIANS ALLOWED!
sorry we only serve whites!
NO KOREANS!!
get my drift!!!
you tell me where in NYC did you see a club or a brothal say that!?
I dont want to start an Argument or get this board totally off topic which we should be talking about sex!!
I was childish to post that first post I admit but its true never the less!
if you wish to debate me further on , that korea is nothing like I say then we can do it in Email!!
thanks
P.S.
went to the SUWON redlight district near SUWON station
MAN their is some TALENT!!
the place is over crowded at least 7-8 girls in one booth!
and young I'd say university girls paying their way through college or bad depts etc.. anyway all dressed in sexy clothes..
they dont take foreigners! but I saw indians and some foreigners walking around! I went there a few times during worldcup..
they didnt even look my way...
they will take a physically challenged korean man, or old man in his 60's before they take a brad pitt looking 28 years old foreigner
emmmmmmmm
I don't know what the big deal is if Korean don't service non-koreans. It's their rights to refuse just like McDonald has the right to refuse service to customer w/o shirt or shoe. It's there country and they operate however they want, if you don't like it then just move to another asian country if you still hung on asian pussies. Why wget work up over it if their men like to do it w/o country? whoring is a risky business from the get go why fool yourself thinking otherwise. South Korean exist to ensure it own alpha male ego just as the USA exist to fosture it own alpha male ego.
Seoulman,
I'm responding to your posts as soon as I see them but I am still a regular member so there is a couple of days delay.
Since you are specifically, quoting my post, I'll will answer any critizisms and questions.
Now you must take my statements in context of my whole message. It's like cults leaders who take one passage from the bible and think they are Jesus or Muslims who take one passage from the koran and become terrorists.
My whole sentence was:
"I think that's kinda understandalbe since if I had to take my chances, I that's what I would do, even though that that doesn't guarentee shit."
See that last part about not guarenteeing anything about not having STDs. I never said they should discriminate against non-Koreans. I never said that it was right to only serve koreans at brothels.
The whole context of my post was that these girls are not very intelligent and they have no concept of STD prevention and condom use.
When I said I think that it's understandable they don't take foreigners, I was empathizing with them, as in, if I was in their shoes and I was a hooker regardless of a korean hooker or some other country AND I wanted to play my chances with someone having an STD or not, I would say that the local people have a less chance of STD because they don't travel around as much to countries which have a higher rate of AIDS. Now like I said, it "doesn't guarentee shit" but I am saying that I understand their position on the subject.
Of course Koreans guys travel around Asia, going to thailand, philippines etc catching an STD but what I'm saying is I understand their position of taking their chances with a local since obviously they might not travel as much as a foreigner in the county, who is obviously traveling around using brothels.
Anyway, I hope all this makes sense and let's please get back onto the subject at hand. I do have some field reports to post, like I said in my previous posts.
Mool
[QUOTE]Originally posted by seoulman
[i]so yeah and no never in any of my messages do I distriminate koreans or bash the koreans!!
I make generalizations and facts which are real!![/i][/QUOTE]
Let others be the judge of that. All your posts contain humor that borders on mockery and sarcasm regarding the behaviors of koreans. Again, I never disputed your facts. Although generalization is nothing but an euphemism for stereotyping, they do at times point to the truth. I don't recall saying what you said were false and untrue. So don't get worked up on that.
[QUOTE][i]yes of course racism and distrimination is prevalent in the US and other 1st countries!!
BUT!! even though it goes on Those countries dont have signs up on their front doors! NO FOREIGNERS!!
NO BLACKS!
Foreigners must pay double!
Asian only club!!
NON ASIANS ALLOWED!
sorry we only serve whites!
NO KOREANS!!
get my drift!!!
you tell me where in NYC did you see a club or a brothal say that!?
I dont want to start an Argument or get this board totally off topic which we should be talking about sex!!
I was childish to post that first post I admit but its true never the less!
if you wish to debate me further on , that korea is nothing like I say then we can do it in Email!!
thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
Signs or no signs that's not really the point is it? So in your terms, having no signs but if racism or discrimination did exist, that is tolerable? Come to think of it, isn't that actually worse? That's pretty much like a wolf in sheep's clothing. And I actually haven't seen any of the signs that you've mentioned in any RLDs, bath houses or barbershops. Well did see a "no korean" sign at some club in Itaewon.
Of course some clubs and brothels welcome you with open arms back in NYC but I've walked into a few where I've gotten that look that tells me I'm not too welcomed. Furthermore I've been denied service a few times(mostly via the phone or through email) due to my race but I always try to give the girls the benefit of the doubt that to them race is merely a preference and not an issue. Again, read my posts, I never said korea is nothing like what you said. I was merely pointing out that they could be done with out the wicked humor and sarcasm. Play a fair game, don't hit below the belt. On a brighter note, maybe all of us are just frustrated with our work and desperately need to get laid. Lack of sex is driving our minds to wander into other frivolous nonsense. So let's get on with it...
Greetings,
To all the non-Koreans, I am sorry if the working girls do not accept you.
But what can we do?
Trust me, there are a lot of Korean (non-pros) girls who are openminded and would love to meet a foreigner.
English Institutes, Itaewon, HongDae, etc. They are all over the place.
I am stuck here in the Twin Cities (Minnesota) on business. :(
This has got to be the most boring state in America!
I went to a Kansas City Royals-Minnesota Twins game. While walking to the ballpark, I saw two girls smile at me. But when I looked back at them, they were also smiling at other guys. Were they working girls? If so, I am going back. LOL :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
[look how they acted when the military allegedly killed those two girls!
[/i][/QUOTE]
...allegedly?????
It is sad that this Seoul page has degraded to attacks and counterattacks on/from Koreans & Han Mi's.
Stick to the fact
Hi everyone,
This is the 2nd time I'm writing this report because there was some kind of glitch last time.
Well, I had a layover in Korea so I decided to take a little trip to YJG, in my previous post, I already posted the directions, just remember to look for Camp Stanton and you found it.
So I head out from my hotel at around 9:30pm, I rented a car since the taxi fare would be more expensive. YJG is about 40km or more outside Seoul. The rain was coming down really hard, so I got lost numerous times so it took me until about midnight to find it. Risky life and limb I had to search for some action and also so I could post a good report here. I was pretty bored that night so I thought it would be a better experience than watch TV in my hotel room. Also, when I rate the girls here, I believe my ratings system is very good since I do know what a good looking Korean girl is. Just as a side note, someone who's judgement I trust reported to me about going to Finkle barbershop and finding that the girls that were rated here as a 9 were more like a 5 or average in their opinion. So for reference sake, I would say that a 10 from me is like a 20 on the other scale. Anyway, back to my ramblings.
Coming in to town where YJG is located, you can see the bright lights that stick out, like looking for the Emerald City. The town is a very plain town, a couple of stores and resturants. You'll see some guys coming out of the alley ways so you know you found the place. YJG is located between the police station and the river. It's about 100 yards of the street and runs maybe 200-300 yards deep, anyway, it's really deep with so many different alley ways that if you split up with a friend you'll never find each other for an hour, especially with all the girls grabbing you, but that's another story for later. Don't worry about the cops, they are there to protect you from the girls. The cops are cracking down on the girls grabbing guys and messing up their clothes. Do not wear any clothes that are either nice or expensive, they will get ruined once the grabbing begins. There are I think 4 entrances to YJG, one is a big drive way along the river that leads to the parking lot in the back and the other 3 are alley way entrances. The drive way has tents setup so the rain is kept out, kinda convenient since it is rainy season. Do not park in the parking lot in the back, it'll waste too much time going down the road because every girl will step in front of your car trying to get you to take them and come back to your house with them. You don't want to get stopped in a car since you don't get to touch. Also, you want to see the selection, you can't go with the first thing you see.
Anyway, park in any empty spot on the street, most of the stores are closed already so you can park anywhere as long as you don't block the driveway to the police station, which is what I almost did. Enter through one of the small entrances. This time around I was determined to walk the whole place looking for my "10". So I can testify that this place is just huge, maybe bigger than I described plus all the alley ways look the same.
I parked my car and chose the first small entrance I saw, the first house I see there's a girl there, about a 7, instantly grabs my collar and will not let go. She had the grip of death on me. The bad of being grabbed is that you want to be on your way so you can find the girl you want, also your clothes are getting messed up. The good is you get to touch the merchandise before buying. So since this girl was grabbing me, I decided to grab her, I felt her breast which were nice, overall good body, I had to pinch her nipples so that she would let go of me. The only fault I see on her is that her face had some blemishes that she was hiding with make up. I'm on my search for my 10, so I can't settle now, also I wanted to check out the whole place so I could report back. So I give her a BS story about looking for my friends and pinched her nipples until she let go. Then I quickly walked off, not a bad waste of 10 minutes grabbing some ass and tits, better than any strip club I've been to in the states. So, I take walk down the next alley way and see the rows of girls, many very cute, the next girl that grabs me is an absolute knockout, perfect 10, she had a small firm body, nice breast which I had to feel since she was grabbing me and an adorable face about 5'3". The girls here seem to wear different out fits from absoulute trashy to the going clubbing look. I would of stayed with this 10 but I had to search out all of YJG, don't even want to settle on the first 10 I see. So for 5 minutes I just touched her all over but she wouldn't let go with her death grip, so I did what any respectable guy should do. I reached down into her pants and pull on her pubic hair. This was my last resort because my shirt was seriously stretched out. She did start kissing my neck and I almost went in with her but I was still determined to see all of YJG.
I pretty much went down almost every alley way but I couldn't tell because it was so big, I would say there were about 150 girls that I saw, most were in the 7-8 range and out of the 150 about 20-30 were 10's. Absolutely, beautiful and adorable. These 10's could be definite models, as good looking as any korean actress that you see on TV. The main driveway seemed to have the best looking girls compared to the small alley ways. I had a few more instances of being grabbed but I pleaded my case of finding my friends, got some good feels and I was on the search for my 10.
I go down this one alley and a girl dressed very plainly who's not that bad about a 6 grabs me and says, it's not about how the girl looks but the service that you will remember. So I'm thinking, you must have ugly girls at your house. She promises me the best experience of my life and that if I give her a chance I'll be coming back for more everytime. I was about to ditch her when in her house I see the perfect 10 that I came searching for. She was wearing a tennis outfit, skirt and shirt, trimmed in yellow. Highlighted hair, 5'4", decent size breasts, good body but her face was amazing, no blemishes and the perfect smile that calls you over. So I have been walking around for awhile so I decide to give in. Also, they did promise me good service so why not, let's see what she has in store. I get led up stairs to her room. In YJG, the girls live in the rooms, it is their personal bed that you are on. The rooms are a lot bigger than the closet you get at Miari. There was a queen size bed, TV, dolls, all the personal effects that a girl would have. So payment always comes first, the prices I was quoted are the following:
70K for short time ~20 min
150K for longer time ~45 min
1000K for all night, yup that's right almost $800 US dollars for all nighter, wow, I guess some people can afford that one.
Not that my girl wasn't worth that much, she looks like a model and is totally adorable. She was 21 years old and said she worked there right under a year. I'm told to undress and take a shower in the bathroom. She goes down to get change for me, I only had $100 bill on me. I kind rinse off the body and 3 minutes later she walks in nude and starts to soap me up. I'm standing and she's got a loof in her hand soaping my body from head to toe, paying special attention to my little buddy. Also she cleans between my ass like 5 times, so we all know what that means. She did have me brush my teeth for kissing but I don't like kissing but those who want the total GFE experience will truly enjoy. She hands me a towel and I dry off and tells me to lie face down on the bed. She's also washing up, so I'm check her out, she's got firm breast, decently big for a korean, I would estimate a C cup, good perky nipples that stick out and a full set of pubic hair, which I prefer over shaved. So, I'm on my stomach she gets on top of me and starts the usual licking, starts from my neck and goes down to behind my knee, I'm all shaking because it's so ticklelish, it's driving me nuts. She starts up back from my knees, opens my butt cheeks and gives me a slow, long rim job for a good minute. This girl has got skills with her tongue. Now she tells me to turn over and again the licking from neck to toe, then I didn't realize this but she had some ice and hot tea for the fire/ice blow job. I didn't even expect or ask for this, I'm a newbie at this so this was my first experience with this one. So she crunches down on some ice and starts on the BBBJ, not to fast and not too slow, this girl was pretty amazing. Then she takes a gulp of the hot tea and starts up again for awhile. I was being a lazy bastard and didn't really want to start banging away since her BBBJ was so good that I motioned that I wanted to finish off with the BJ. So she's switching back and forth between the ice and tea and finally I'm ready to blow, so I asked if I could cumm in her mouth which she motioned to me that it was ok, I also asked if she swallowed but she motioned once again that she spit. I finally blow my load and she keeps going at it. You know after you cumm you're so sensitive and she kept going at it, it felt so good but also like torture so after a minute I had to stop her because I thought my body was going into shock. This whole time, of course I'm touching her whole body as best I can. She then goes to the bathroom to spit out and brush her teeth. I also cleaned up, gave some chit chat and I was on my way. On my way out,
I was once again grabbed and did more touching but after awhile I got tired of it and just didn't look the girl's way. They started to make fun of me, saying don't worry we won't bother you, don't look scared.. haha... yeah, I was determined to get out of their finally because the rain was getting bad. I found my car and I was on the way back to Seoul, which was a lot faster since I didn't get lost.
I had a good time with a perfect 10, got some good service that will make me comeback for more. Hope you all enjoyed my report. I'm probably going to cool down for a bit. I've been on this STD scare, just getting bad feelings.
Good luck to you all.
Hi there Moolman~~~ :)
Damn, that was an awesome post my friend!!! :)
So the girl was asking for a million won for the whole night?
One working girl at YJG told me that if I come at around 5am, I can have the girl until around 11am for around 300,000. So a week later, I had a girl for 6 hours for 300,000. She was a goddess!!! DAAAAAMN haha LOL :)
Anyway, I will be back in Korea in a week or two.
I would like to go to YJG with you. :)
If you are willing to drive, I will treat you to dinner and a drink!!! :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
Holy Cow Seoulman that was quite a post. With regards to what girls accept, well I think a little money will do all the talking. Plenty of posts on this board about parlors that gladly service international visitors.
But this idea of nationalism within the prostitution industry is an interesting one. I wonder, does this nationalism spring from the Park era? If I can remember, some of these girls were actually convinced by the Park admin that servicing foreigners was patriotic, since it would keep them away from the rest of society.
Nationalism is definitely ensconced within the business sector: Early on building the economy was first and foremost about solidifying national sovereignty and stabilizing the regime. But this is a new type of nationalism. I think it stems from the fact that, although these girls may be frowned upon, the fact is that in such a materialistic society, these girls are doing much better (financially) than many people their age. So, given this new equality, they too can participate in the same kind of nationalism everybody else does. In effect, they have some kind of status to protect, just like everyone else.
Moolman,
Whoa, a very excellent report. Once I got grabbed by this girl at 588 and it was right after the rain had stopped. She pulled on my umbrella and the damn thing broke. As much as I love going window shopping, the grabbing part is the one part that does get a little too annoying. If you're not good at bargaining your way out or telling bullshit stories, these girls will eat you until you succumb to their offers. They are like police interrogators, they can smell and detect fear just like that.
I once took a friend who was totally innocent and new to this, he was stiff and nervous throughout the whole walk and when a girl grabbed him, I felt so sorry for him, he not knowing what to do. By the end, he was so shy that I had to go and approach the girl that he wanted to sleep with.
Although I've been grabbed countlessly, I've never had the guts like you to grab their goodies right there and then. I'm not that brave... yet. It did cross my mind many times but I just couldn't do it out in the open. Well the fact that I've never been to YJG and I don't know how different the atmosphere is from 588 and I don't think I've seen anyone grab the girls' goodies at 588. Still your story makes sense, check out the goods before you buy them.
I like chicks with at least a B cup and most korean chicks are on the A side or flat. I've been deceived numerous times. Most times you can detect whose got big knockers and whose are merely paddings. But a few times, my eyes have deceived me and the final product doesn't turn out as good as I thought. Ever since my many failures, I've made it my mission to ask them flat out what their boob sizes are. To know that I might be able to grab and check them out is just too tempting.
Now I'm REALLY desperate to check out YJG. But as I'm away from seoul at the moment, all I can do is dream...
Oh btw, at 588 and yongsan, they charge 1200k for overnight(12 hrs)and not 1000k as I've mentioned before. Of course this was the quoted price for locals but I'm pretty sure non-koreans can get the same deal from those areas that accept non-koreans. They told me the above was the flat price but bargaining could be a slight possibility. I once took out an overnight with a dream babe at 588. But instead of 12hrs she stayed for 24hrs. Ofcourse this can only be done if you take her out of her shop and to your dungeon. During the 12hrs you can take her out and do whatever the hell you want. But this probably won't work in YJG since there are no places to go. Anyway 1200k or 1000k they are both crazy money.
Been away from Seoul for just under a year but now am back. Took the last hour or so to read a lot of the posts dating back to April. There is one thing I noticed. Hardly any mention of Hooker Hill in Itaewan. Except for the occassional "avoid it". Has it really gone down hill or is it just better places have been found?
Anyone seen Gina lately? I forget the name of her bar but I believe that it was the second one on the right hand side going up the hill.
I'm an English teacher in Seoul.
Here's some advice I have for the Korean men:
You need to focus on your own strengths, rather than worrying about what others think about.
It's called having a "positive attitude."
They say: "It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it that counts."
Learn from this Korean men, and turn your "weakness" in to a "strength."
Learn to maneouver your equipment with the skill of the Korean soccer team and you might actually be able to steal back some of your chicks from us foreigners.
Now I'm not trying to sound patronizing here, I'm just trying to give you guys some good advice.
Maybe spend less time playing Starcraft and drinking Soju and spend more time learning how to please your women and you may actually have a chance against us waygooks.
The K-Girls love us because we are attentive to their needs; being particularily "large" viz-a-viz Korean men is just incidental to the attraction.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]Look what you wrote above. C'mon, you must admit you sound like you're doing certain people here a big favor. But, it is your choice to post here. No one is forcing you. [/i][/QUOTE]
Well, I'm sorry if it came out that way, if it sounded like Koreans are doing foreigners a favor. That wasn't what I had in mind when I wrote that sentence. But that really wasn't the point of the whole passage, I was just merely pointing out that bias, hypocritical racist, selfish womanizers will not post in any forum to begin with. They will only retrieve infos and never give feedbacks for others. I'm just amazed at the number of people who wants to be spoon fed without doing a single research. Again, I'm sorry if my post came across to you in that way but I never thought of it with such intentions.
RW_75,
I can confirm that Gina was still up and running (and as lovely as ever) in March when I was last on the hill. I can't remember the name of her bar either, but it's very near the top, on the right as you go up if we are talking the same Gina!
Dear NY Yankees: Wow, you spent 24 hours with a hot babe from 588? Lucky you!!! :)
I have talked with a lot of the girls at Miari, YJG, and 588. They all told me that it is cheaper to have them from 5am-7am until around 11am. Because they usually end work at around 5-7am and they can sleep at around noon and still be able to get ready for work which is around 7-8pm.
I once met a girl from Miari from 5am until 11am for 250,000.
She is a cute and young girl. I took her our for breakfast at 5am and then checked into a yo-gwan.
Dear RW_75: I would avoid Hooker Hill. I could have sworn I saw a transsexual. Her voice sounded like a man and her face was just wierd. She (or he? lol) didn't have a penis but I just had this strange feeling. I told her to undress to double check and then I just bought him (or her) a drink and left.
Just go to the clubs in the Itaewon area and hit on the Korean girls there. Most of them are openminded and are looking for a foreigner to have fun with.
If you do not score that day, at least you can call them up and date and see where it goes from there. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
Dear guys:
Let's put all this tension behind us now.
This was all a misunderstanding. So let's just forget about it and move on. After all, we are all grown men aren't we? :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
P.S. Hey Moolman, I like your idea of pinching the girls if they grab you. :) I was grabbed by this cute girl and I just french kissed her. haha Her hands got into my shirt and I just fell for her trap. I discontinued looking around and went with her, she also did the hot water/ice cubes blowjob. I am not a big fan of it.
Afterwards, she gave me a bag of candy. In return, I gave her Starburst. I told her that it was a chewy candy. She laughed.
Having just answered a question - I have got one too! Last time I was in Seoul I went to the Dynasty and it seemed awfully and permanently shut! I have not seen any further comments since Gameover's post in June. Any further news? Where is "Next Best"?
I have heard they have a similar set up in the Hamilton in Itaewon but that I think that would be aimed at foreigners, the Dynasty was the real thing!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by RW_75
[i] There is one thing I noticed. Hardly any mention of Hooker Hill in Itaewan. Except for the occassional "avoid it". Has it really gone down hill or is it just better places have been found?[/i][/QUOTE]Well, perhaps that is becasue it is the easiest place to find--everyone knows where it is.
Also, those girls will rip you off as soon as you walk in the door.
Also, are you really going to go into one of those places with so many people walking around?
If you must, stick to the back alley connecting HH with Fag's Way.
Read Meat, can you please shut the trap, your comments have nothing to do with the topic of this forum. It serves no useful information, all it does is just start another flame war. We already settle that it was a misunderstanding and it is over. All you are doing is leaching, you post no useful information about punting. Give nothing back here and the first thing you post is something that is stereotypical and just plain dumb. Instead of posting useless things, please post about the topic at hand, like I have done.
So yes, we will take your advice because you are so intelligent and have so much insight into the Korean man.
Thanks for the post, my life is now changed, I will play soccer and have a "positive attitude", you changed my life... tear...
Mookman formally known as moolman
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Real Meat
[i]I'm an English teacher in Seoul.
Here's some advice I have for the Korean men:
You need to focus on your own strengths, rather than worrying about what others think about.
It's called having a "positive attitude."
They say: "It's not the size that matters, it's what you do with it that counts."
Learn from this Korean men, and turn your "weakness" in to a "strength."
Learn to maneouver your equipment with the skill of the Korean soccer team and you might actually be able to steal back some of your chicks from us foreigners.
Now I'm not trying to sound patronizing here, I'm just trying to give you guys some good advice.
Maybe spend less time playing Starcraft and drinking Soju and spend more time learning how to please your women and you may actually have a chance against us waygooks.
The K-Girls love us because we are attentive to their needs; being particularily "large" viz-a-viz Korean men is just incidental to the attraction. [/i][/QUOTE]
Gina is still there providing world class service as always. Her place is called the Rous and is right across from Polly's Kettle. Treat her right if you go there. She's a doll.
OK, the departure has been delayed, I'm still around (lurking) but haven't played the game in awhile. Still saving for an expensive relocation but to be honest, another reason for current frugality is that I'm planning a bang-up binge just before I go.
That binge was originally planned to happen with multiple shots, multiple partners at the Dynasty but it appears that the closure is still a factor so I may need to source another location.
As a service to those looking at steam bath options, there are still a few:
Hilltop Hotel:
Usually good quality. Have seen a few dogs over the years but just send em back. The next entry should be fine. Location: up the street from Hakdong Station (line 7)
A nice sportsmassage place:
Don't be fooled that it is a barbershop. The service is exactly the same as Steam/Turkey Bath. Girls usually good quality but service is a bit more rushed. Had 2 exceptions here that I would count as among the best in Korea.
Location: Just outside Hakdong Station (line 7) on the south side of the main street. There is a Japanese restaurant in the same building.
Hamilton:
Don't worry, its not a foreigner focused place, the service is good and I never had an ugly chick trying to push English on me. Price is a bit higher (200,000). Quality isn't as high as others but if you can't find anything else, this will suffice.
Others (with little to report)
Green Glass Hotel (Seollung Station) may be closed
Youngdong Hotel (Shinsa Station) haven't been there in years but it is still there and had some good times there.
Sunshine Hotel (in Apkujong): Was quoted a higher price because I was a foreigner. Didn't partake but saw some of the girls walking around and they looked VERY nice
Tiffany Hotel (Cheongdam Station): Was denied access. Told to come back with a Korean. I have a feeling girls are top quality.
Mirabeau Hotel (near Ewha): Long time ago but excellent experience
I found all of these place just by checking them out. Cruise the neighborhoods and find your favorite. Stumbling across Dynasty by chance proved to a be a wonderful source of excellent meat for many years. Good luck and enjoy.
A note on the current state of the board:
I may continue to look but won't be posting much. Been tempted, however, due to the arguments happening of late. My two bits, for what there worth. This board is an information exchange for all those who want to use it. If your American, Korean, French, Dutch, Thai, it doesn't really matter. Let's get over this Korean vs. Foreigner nonsense as it serves no valuable purpose other than to rile up negative feelings and pressures.
There is value in noting is a place is Korean-only or foreigner-focused. This is objective information that can serve to prepare one for what they should expect. I have a friend (Korean) who heard some people talking about Itaewon. He decided that he wanted to check it out with some other friends (Korean, and not us that he heard about it from.) His experience was terrible, he was not served, he was hassled by others on the streets (not just soldiers) and walked away with a negative impression. He came back and told me about it. I said "you should have asked me." He said "you should have told me."
Lets get more objective and less emotional. We're all here for the same purpose and if you have a different agenda, this might not be the place for you to be.
In the hamilton hotel, where is the turkish bath located at that everyone is talking about?
lets not compare apples and oranges ok!
we are not talking about koreans and foreigners are equal the tide moves both ways blar blar blar BECAUSE it doesn't!
foreigners cant do anything that the korean/americans on this board are talking about!
foreigners cant even walk around YJG or 588 and have positive looks and remarks from girls!!!
foreigners always have to enter places with a slight doubt in their mind that will I get served? will I?
we cant enjoy the perks of walking around 588 miari and being grabbed and asked to come in forcefully.. we dont have options of refusing and looking for the one you want!!
foreigners have to be subjected to be told to sleep with AJUMAS in the back alleys, refused all together or told ridiculous prices like 350.000 won for 20minutes!!!!
we have ITAEWON where the girls charge 100-300 dollars for one sex because they know our chances of finding a girl in 588 are slim!
so to all the kyopos on this board who are saying to me or other white folk hey look for the positive, or if you dont like it leave!
or hey some koreans had a bad time in itaewon.. SAVE IT!!
this board is for information to infor travellers who are coming to korea to be informed on what things they can expect!
and I am saying what they can expect!
they can expect, everything I just said!!
so when people post about walking around YJG or 588 and having girls dripping off your body like a rockstar and you feeling them up like hugh hefner, you should state in your posts that you are korean!!! because first time readers will get the wrong idea! that wouldnt be fair to mislead them!!
because the facts are!!!
foreigners have it tough here regarding getting sex!!
funny how thailand will take all types!!!
just as korea did 20 years ago..
you think thailand will stop taking foreigners in 20 years?
I dont think so!!!
koreans are racist are xenophobic.. thats the reason the korean whoring scene is what it is towards foreigners!
dont get me wrong guys I dont dislike koreans and I am not trying to start an arguement dont get me wrong ok!!
I am just giving my opinion on why I think koreans are not so welcoming towards foreigners!
people in the world today need to start to change!!
too much hate in the world!!!
we are all one blood!!!!
lets start acting like it!!
anyway this is korea from a foreigners perspective!
so newbies there you go..
Dear Seoulman:
I understand that you are upset.
I do not know about the other Koreans in this board (and Korean-Americans), but both Moolman and myself are Korean-Americans.
We have stated that we are Korean-Americans in our posts.
I agree with you that it is rediculous for the Korean working girls, not to accept foreigners. But the mamasans are telling the girls not to accept foreigners.
I have posted places and methods of getting Korean p*ssy.
I plan to visit Korea for business next week.
I will do my very best and persuade the girls to accept foriengers.
I was able to take a Japanese, Mexican, Canadian, and an American to 588, Miari, and Suwon.
Hopefully I will be able to again.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hello from Boston Mass,USA From a long time poster
How would they treat African-Americans(I'm African-American) If I were to come to Seoul,South Korea? I'm just speaking from the hip guys your honest opions will help greatly.
Seoulman--You said it best, too much hate in the world...:(
Seoulman,
We don't deny what your saying but I think the point is that all people are ethnocentric or racist, everywhere in the world, it my be openly or subtle, so what's the big deal, move on.
Meatman,
African-Americans will find it hard to get service from pros because African-Americans are looked down upon, but that's not news to you. But because of the whole hip-hop thing and how black is cool, you might find a pro or regular girl. But in my travels, I find that Japanese girls are really into black guys than Koreans girls. As in everything YMMV, so who knows.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MeatMan
[i]Hello from Boston Mass,USA From a long time poster
How would they treat African-Americans (I'm African-American) If I were to come to Seoul, South Korea? I'm just speaking from the hip guys your honest opions will help greatly.
Seoulman--You said it best, too much hate in the world...:( [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings Meatman :)
Will this be your first time to Korea?
Anyway, please to not be offended by my remarks. After all, I want to be straight forward with all of you.
It is difficult for non-Koreans to be accepted to RLDs and other places such as barbershops and turkey bath houses.
An outcall girl (escort) or a girl from the barbershops would be your best bet.
Have you heard about Pinkle? It is a barbershop located in Yeoksam station (south of Seoul and near the Renaissance hotel). There are many posts related to Pinkle during the past month. I'm pretty sure they will accept you.
Another problem is that these working girls tell me that the non-Koreans have such huge p*nises. lol
Have you been to Itaewon? Check the bars and clubs out. DO NOT GO TO Hooker Hill. That place is f*cked-up. AVOID IT.
Just check the bars and clubs and talk to the girls. :)
Good luck.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Dear Meat Man:
You would be better off in Japan than Korea.
Best Regards,
Meatman,
There seem to be two types of Korean girls..
The ones who only or mostly go for black guys. These can be found in Itaewon and Hongdae, try clubs like King Club or Flexx in Itaewon or Stompers or any of the hip hop clubs in Hongdae.
There are also the girls who will never date a black guy. I have had girls telling me they are scared of black people.
Unfortunately in Korea the latter are far more numerous.
In terms of the general populace, well Koreans are racist at the best of times. I knew a black guy who lived in Kwangju. HE used to walk through a market every day to work and without fail one of the market sellers used to laugh and make monkey noises. the problem was he couldn't understand why my friend didnt think this was hilarious..
[QUOTE]Originally posted by MeatMan
[i]Hello from Boston Mass,USA From a long time poster
How would they treat African-Americans(I'm African-American) If I were to come to Seoul,South Korea? I'm just speaking from the hip guys your honest opions will help greatly.
Seoulman--You said it best, too much hate in the world...:( [/i][/QUOTE]
if you wish to pay for it?
I suggest your only hope is MIARI texas... walk around alone dress nice like you're a businessman not a GI! and maybe someone will take you..
other wise ITAEWON not a problem my friend.. they will serve any foreigners there. all they care about is the green!
ohhh also if you are down in Pyongtek ulsan way by the military base you can be served there too. dont pay more than 150.000 won ok either in itaewon or pyungtek MIrari it will be same price.
70.000 or 80.000 and you only have like 20 minutes..
if you want to pick up up girls without paying...
UN CLUB, LIME LITE, KINGS CLUB, HYATT HOTEL( ALSO ESCORTS WORKING ALL THE TIME) 300.000 rfor all night.. can barter down if its like 10 minutes to closing..
hope this helps man..
just ask if you need more info..
laters
I went to Finkle yesterday and asked for So-Hyun and was told something to the effect that she wasn't there. I even drew the buddist symbol to make sure there was no question as to who I was asking about. Hopefully it was just her day off. So I headed back to Itaewon and went up the hill to Fantasy Club. It was around 4pm and I was her first of the evening. She gave me a cold coke because I was drenched in sweat from walking all over. I gave her $60 and we got down to business. Really good bbj then a few different positions before I finished up doggystyle. Afterwards she cleaned me up then gave me a big bottle of water for the long trip home. I was wondering though has anyone seen Mindy from Ambrosia? I havent seen her in awhile but then again I am out of that area by 5pm whenever I go to Seoul.
Hi guys,
It will be my first trip to Seoul and I have no clue about the 'market' there and do not want to be ripped off.
I'd like to get a nice koean girls, GFE experience if possible, for a couple of hours. I may stay in a good hotel downtown.
From what I have understood from this board it is difficult for a caucasian like me to enter barbershops and turkey bath houses. So what would you recommend ?
Thanks a lot
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rene02
[i]Hi guys,
It will be my first trip to Seoul and I have no clue about the 'market' there and do not want to be ripped off.
I'd like to get a nice koean girls, GFE experience if possible, for a couple of hours. I may stay in a good hotel downtown.
From what I have understood from this board it is difficult for a caucasian like me to enter barbershops and turkey bath houses. So what would you recommend ?
Thanks a lot [/i][/QUOTE]
No, Barbershops and turkish baths would be a better bet if you are not asian. RLDs are real hit or miss but as mentioned by other contributors, Miari would be your best bet. I'll say forget 588... it might just be a waste of time. If you are staying in an hotel, try for an outcall service, there are pamplets littered all over the streets, but since I've never experienced outcall service in seoul, I can't tell you about what to expect and all. Maybe other contributors will be able to help.
My advice, take some time and read all the messages starting from beginning of this year. There are plenty of infos about where to meet pros and nonpros for non koreans. This way, you really can't go wrong. Happy Hunting.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rene02
[i]Hi guys,
It will be my first trip to Seoul and I have no clue about the 'market' there and do not want to be ripped off.
I'd like to get a nice koean girls, GFE experience if possible, for a couple of hours. I may stay in a good hotel downtown.
From what I have understood from this board it is difficult for a caucasian like me to enter barbershops and turkey bath houses. So what would you recommend ?
Thanks a lot [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings Rene02,
Where in Seoul will you be staying?
You made a post under "other areas" and you said that you will be in Seoul for two days.
Well, in that case, I'd say try Pinkle. There are probably 50 posts related to this place. I recommend So Hyun. If she says no to you, tell her that you are a friend of a Korean. Tell her that your Korean friend (me) wears Bulgari cologne. She'll say yes, it's a long story but she will say yes. :)
Or like what NY Yankees has said, the outcall girls. But I have never tried them before.
Good luck.
I'm finally heading to Seoul next Wednesday.
Minneapolis has nothing at all!!! :(
Sincerely,
New World Order
Someone reminded me of a good point: There are more than just Korean girls in Korea. There are also a lot of Japanese girls around, especially in the Spring and Summer time. I know that they tend to hang out in the clothing markets at night (Dongdaemun, not Namdaemun), and go carousing with one another in Kangnam. Also, there are many Japanese language teachers in Seoul from Japan.
But, my experience, and from what I have heard, is they are very difficult to catch in Korea. Not sure why, maybe because they are employees, and not young college girls (late 20s vs. early 20s). However, persistence can pay off.
Also, anyone have any housewife stories they w ould like to share? Advice on such? C'mon, don't hold back.
Went to YJK, thought was worth the distance. It takes me 2 hrs. to get there from seoul. Take orange line to bulwang. Walk towards Shibu bus station. Get on bus 30 say to atashi YJK Bus fee is 2100w. Got black balled by some of the ladies for being foreigner. I am Chinese American. One of the girls said that they only take Koreans. And some said they would take Japanese. One tried to charge me a foreigner fee fo 90W. I just took off. I noticed they are pretty rigid on the price of 70W YJK for 1/2 hour service. I've been there about 5 times. And could haggle for 60W for half hour. I guess the time of day and the girl are factors too. But for the service, cleanliness, looks of the girls. YJK blows Miari, Chang yang ri, Yongsan.
Miari- girls are usually short and the rooms are closets. The girls sitting there with the wedding dresses seems depressing. While the mamasans try to drag you in there. Will take foreigner as long as your well groomed. Generally will give you more service than Chang yang ri. And probaly the biggest rld in Seoul(Gireum station off exit 10)
Chang yang ri- Supposivily one or the best rld's in Asia. I think service varies too much from girl to girl. Basically hit or miss? They will not take foreigners, unless Korean, Japanese or Chinese. They have foreign section like Yongsan full of used up ajumas. 60W for 10-15 min and the younger and prettier they are the service genarally dips off. My advice is to look for the that comes for you. Because the young and pretty ones probaly get the most won are less in desire to do anything but make won. (Chang yang ri exit. Left facing the Lotte dept. store entrance) Can't miss it.
I also went to Finkle in Kangnam. I know this place will take foreigners but a bit pricey for 120W including tip. Service is good. Forgot the girls name. There are other posts with the directions to Finkle. Hope this helps out..
Hi Everyone,
Totally neophyte to this board, hence this is my virgin post.
Please forgive my inappropriatness.
In any event, I am traveling all around Asia for business and this time I am going to Seoul for a few days.
I will be staying at Hotel Seokyo (near the old Intl. airport Kimpo)
Does anyone know any good spots in or near this area.
In any event I will check out the scene for the rest of us.
If I don't get your comments in time.
Happy Hunting!
Equasian
Hi New World Order,
Since you seem to know your way around Seoul, do you know any good area near the Kimpo aiport or by the Hotel Seokyo where I will be staying for a few days.
Thanks
Equasian[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Greetings Rene02,
Where in Seoul will you be staying?
You made a post under "other areas" and you said that you will be in Seoul for two days.
Well, in that case, I'd say try Pinkle. There are probably 50 posts related to this place. I recommend So Hyun. If she says no to you, tell her that you are a friend of a Korean. Tell her that your Korean friend (me) wears Bulgari cologne. She'll say yes, it's a long story but she will say yes. :)
Or like what NY Yankees has said, the outcall girls. But I have never tried them before.
Good luck.
I'm finally heading to Seoul next Wednesday.
Minneapolis has nothing at all!!! :(
Sincerely,
New World Order [/i][/QUOTE]
Thanks NWO for your help.
I will stay 3 nights in Seoul (Oct 5th - 8th), then will take the tour to visit the MT Diamond in the North and do some hiking.
Then I will take a hotel downtown. I just need to find a good one, and to check if they allow me to take a woman to my room.
I would like to get a nice girl for the night, I guess my budget for that is around 500 USD (don't really know in Won.)
I will browse the forum and try to find something good.
If any of you have a recommendation for an hotel (around 70 - 90 USD per night) safe and where I can bring the girl, I would greatly appreciate.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rene02
[i]Thanks NWO for your help.
I will stay 3 nights in Seoul (Oct 5th - 8th), then will take the tour to visit the MT Diamond in the North and do some hiking.
Then I will take a hotel downtown. I just need to find a good one, and to check if they allow me to take a woman to my room.
I would like to get a nice girl for the night, I guess my budget for that is around 500 USD (don't really know in Won.)
I will browse the forum and try to find something good.
If any of you have a recommendation for an hotel (around 70 - 90 USD per night) safe and where I can bring the girl, I would greatly appreciate. [/i][/QUOTE]Hi there Rene02
You are allowed to take a girl to a hotel. If they ask (which they do not, but if they do), just tell them that she is your girlfriend. :)
So you are staying at downtown Seoul? As for RLD. Miari would be your best bet. IT shall be around a 15 minutes taxi ride from downtown.
Or you may call an escort. But they are hit/miss. At the RLD (Miari), you can have the girl for the whle night for around 500 US dollars. But you have to take to all the way to your place and then take her back to Miari. It sounds like a hassle to me so I would stick with an escort.
I am sorry but I do not know any hotels in the Seoul area for 70-90 dollars. You may want to contact a tourism center in Seoul and ask. There is a tourism center in Itaewon.
I'm sorry I am no help to you. :(
Since you will be stayin in Seoul for only 3days, I recommend Itaewon. There is a place called Hooker Hill but they pressure you to buy drinks. But theyare foreign-friendly.
Or you can hit the bars or clubs in Itaewon. The Koreans girls are there to meet foreign guys.
Itawon is about a 10-15 ride from downtown.
Good luck:)
Sincerely,
New World Order
[QUOTE]Originally posted by China Boi
[i]Went to YJK, thought was worth the distance. It takes me 2 hrs. to get there from seoul. Take orange line to bulwang. Walk towards Shibu bus station. Get on bus 30 say to atashi YJK Bus fee is 2100w. Got black balled by some of the ladies for being foreigner. I am Chinese American. One of the girls said that they only take Koreans. And some said they would take Japanese. One tried to charge me a foreigner fee fo 90W. I just took off. I noticed they are pretty rigid on the price of 70W YJK for 1/2 hour service. I've been there about 5 times. And could haggle for 60W for half hour. I guess the time of day and the girl are factors too. But for the service, cleanliness, looks of the girls. YJK blows Miari, Chang yang ri, Yongsan.
Miari- girls are usually short and the rooms are closets. The girls sitting there with the wedding dresses seems depressing. While the mamasans try to drag you in there. Will take foreigner as long as your well groomed. Generally will give you more service than Chang yang ri. And probaly the biggest rld in Seoul(Gireum station off exit 10)
Chang yang ri- Supposivily one or the best rld's in Asia. I think service varies too much from girl to girl. Basically hit or miss? They will not take foreigners, unless Korean, Japanese or Chinese. They have foreign section like Yongsan full of used up ajumas. 60W for 10-15 min and the younger and prettier they are the service genarally dips off. My advice is to look for the that comes for you. Because the young and pretty ones probaly get the most won are less in desire to do anything but make won. (Chang yang ri exit. Left facing the Lotte dept. store entrance) Can't miss it.
I also went to Finkle in Kangnam. I know this place will take foreigners but a bit pricey for 120W including tip. Service is good. Forgot the girls name. There are other posts with the directions to Finkle. Hope this helps out.. [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings China Boi
Next time when you go to Pinkle, just pay100,000 won.
That mamasan is chargingyou 20,000 won more.
I went there yesterday. So Heon is gone until late August. Usually when a working girl is out for that lon, it is not a god sign (e.g. family member is sick, physical problem, etc.) I just hopeshe feels better.
Anyway, nxt time, just pay 100,000 won. And save the 20,000 or a nice dinner at the COEX area. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Equasian
[i]Hi New World Order,
Since you seem to know your way around Seoul, do you know any good area near the Kimpo aiport or by the Hotel Seokyo where I will be staying for a few days.
Thanks
Equasian [/i][/QUOTE]Greetings Equasian,
I am sorry but I am not familiar with the Kimpo airport area.
How long will you be in Seoul?
I guess your best bet will beeither Itaewon or a nearby barbershop or message parlor.
Look for a place that has a sign --> ¾È¸¶, ¸¶»çÁö.
Good luck.
Sincerely,
New World Order
As well, if anyone had a good experience with outcall service, let me know.
I am trying to get a girl to my hotel, which I suppose will be in Itaewon or Kangnam (what is the best ?).
I forgot to mention that I do not speak any work of Korean, and I am Caucasian.
Gentlemen, Gentlemen, Gentlemen:
Gosh it takes a long time to get approved to post! Oh well, it's probably a good idea, though my perspective on some issues on this board has been burning me, trying to leap onto the computer screen.
Okay, I've been following this whole Yonjugol train, and I've got some insight I'd like to share as to why they don't like anyone not Korean.
First off, one poster mentioned something very true, that no one has commented on, YJG is literally a stone's throw from Camp Stanton, a US military post. No one, in their right mind, would EVER come to the YJG area except for two reasons: one, the reason that brings us to this board, and two, the reason I'm here in Korea, I'm a US service member. YJG is off-limits for US soldiers, but the proximity of Camp Stanton to YJG probably makes many of the Korean working ladies think that their non-Korean visitors may be US Army, who is not welcome there. We never have been, since YJG was originally established as a play-area for the many ROK Army camps in the local area, and as they make $15 a month, can't compete with even a lowly private in the US Army making $1000. Now, the reason is more antipathy towards US soldiers and the US in general rather than money. And even if you don't have a crewcut and so forth, you still could be associated with Stanton, it's an aviation post, and has civilian contractors who work there who don't have to conform to Army regs on hair and weight and so forth.
Secondly, let's talk about Itaewon: Why has it gone downhill? 4 years ago, last time I was in Korea, it was a blast, we went there all the time. Now, why bother? When you've got MP's walking around with clubs, checking out the places to make sure no fun is happening, why WOULD anyone want to hang out there? Additionally, and this is a recent occurrence (last 7 months or so) a HUGE number of clubs in Itaewon were put off limits to GI's. Mostly for selling sex, but in some cases for other activities (violence, etc.) I can list them if anybody is interested, but the number exceeds 25. We're even made to carry a card that lists the clubs that are illegal, and it's no laughing matter if you get caught. How, those of you not in the military may ask, is it a BAD thing to get rid of all the obnoxious GI's? Wouldn't that make Itaewon a better place? Well, yes, part of the reason I don't go there (or Tongducheon, or Uijeongbu) is that I don't like to hang around GI's, and I am one. But think about this, all of a sudden the entire garrison at Yongsan, all of 2nd Infantry Division up north, all of Camp Humphries, all of those soldiers all of a sudden get a list of 25 clubs that are off limits, and they could go to jail if they go in them. Hmm, are YOU going to even bother with Itaewon? NO! You're going to spend your money elsewhere. And though some (nay, MOST) would be happier with GI's going elsewhere, when Itaewon loses that money, it hurts everyone who goes there. Hell, even Hollywood (which 4 years ago was a haunt of mine) doesn't even allow GI's in anymore.
Anyways, just wanted to add some insight into those two things, several posts I've seen have been wondering, and I hope it helps. I now have other places I hang out in Seoul, and I haven't been doing too much shopping, but I'm not adverse to pay for play. If anyone knows anything about places you can get multiple partners, be it in Itaewon, Kangnam, Miari, wherever, I'd be very interested. Korean girls, by themselves, aren't that hard to hook up with, the multiple thing wouldn't happen without professionals, though.
I do appreciate hearing about places like 588 and Miari and YJG, even though YJG is WAY out of bounds for me, and 588 it sounds like has changed a lot (I enjoyed some times there 4 years ago, but it sounds like with the political climate, it has changed quite a bit. The most beautiful women I've ever seen in Korea, though, wow). Please keep up the reports, and hopefully I'll be able to send a good one of my own here soon.
Thanks,
Saber
Will be visiting Seoul next Mon and will be there for 4 days. Was wondering whether there are any good places to pick up girls? I will be staying at the Westin Chosun. Any help given will be very much appreciated.
Thanks
Aikon
Nwo, paid 100,000 w at Ffinkle. The girl requested a 20,000 tip. I think places at Kangnam are expensive. That's why I like YJK Yonjugul. The girls will do more for your money! ass rim, gfe, they give you more time,showers, tongue massage and a real bedroom; Not a flea infested closet. Rlds in Seoul are too into the SOP. I get rejected at YJK 3/4 of the time. But so what. That's life! Some girls at YJK will do you if you are Asian descent. E.g. Kyobo, Asian America, of Korean, Chinese and Japanese. I know the steroetypes. And I don't want to start a new thread on race issues in South Korea. I am guest here. And I play by their rules.
Cabarets! That is what I was thinking of a while back, but could not think of the word. They are everywhere in Seoul.
In any case, if anyone here knows how to ballroom dance, then Cabarets are the place to go if you want to get laid. Granted, the women are not the greatest of lookers, but I wonder how many models are on this board?
I know that Salsa dancing (beside oil, Mexico's only useful export) is popular in Seoul, but cabarets are much more decadent, sleazy and interesting than Salsa venues.
"A cabaret at every subway stop, a nice housewife waiting whenever you want." That's what I always say.
Saber47,
Yes, and so what has happened now that half of Itaewan is off-limits? A lot of these GIs (assinine most) have hit other areas, like Hongdae. They have made those places a mess, as well. They have acted in such a way that many places in Hongdae have barred GIs from entering.
My perspective is this (based on observation, not opinon): While most soldiers cause problems, I have noticed that Black and ethnic soldiers cause most observed problems. Not individually, but when they are in groups. I have seen black military gangs fighting one and another in the streets of Itaewan, Latinos harassing anyone they can (when in groups). I have seen lone ESL teachers get mobbed by these gangs. It's ridiculous.
In any case, the last time I was in Itaewan, the clubs were still packed Fri and Sat nights.
While I support the US military, they need to be placed away from population centers, or least mandated to participate in cultural education programs.
I know I will get insulted for this post, but so be it.
someone mentioned cabarets. local koreans go to nightclubs (some in kangnam gu) were the waiters will take female customers to your table to matchmake. last time i was there with my korean friends, we left the club with three ladies but i was also hit on by a group of young women who were dancing. but you need to go to the club with koreans. on rlds, i don't really look korean but am asian american so not all rlds will serve me. i speak korean and the rld ladies have told me the hassle of peer pressure and local guys prohibit some from seeing foreigners; not that the pretty ones need the business anyways.
on massage places or sports massages, they will take foreigners and i've been to about 15 of them (sort of pricey)and dated some of the cute ones there.
itaewon has steadily gone downhill especially after the olympics. today's stars & stripes newspaper lists all the clubs that are off-limits to military. but all that means is you won't be bumping into many military dudes in these clubs. some club owners said they don't cater to military anyways and prefer the buisinessmen.
someone asked about outcalls, i used the outcalls (massage will travel) listed in the local korean (english version) newspaper and had gotten good luck a couple years ago, they'll go to the hotel.
[QUOTE] No one, in their right mind, would EVER come to the YJG area except for two reasons: one, the reason that brings us to this board, and two, the reason I'm here in Korea, I'm a US service member. YJG is off-limits for US soldiers. [/QUOTE] Let me guess you live your life by the bullshit rules they came up with in the Warrior Standard Handbook? I feel sorry for all the rest of my fellow soldiers that are missing out on the fun times here in Korea. I have been to YGJ,Miari and588 before and recommend them to my friends. There fun places to go to. I took someone to Bopwon-Ri on weds and he had a good time also. I live my life by my rules not anyone elses. Nothing is off limits to me. Perhaps if you changed your appearance you might have more fun? I grow my hair extremely long and would never be caught dead with a ridiculous looking G.I haircut. I never get turned away from anyplace where G.I's are not allowed.[QUOTE] Well, yes, part of the reason I don't go there (or Tongducheon, or Uijeongbu) is that I don't like to hang around GI's, and I am one. [/QUOTE]I agree those places are disgusting. If you go everywhere by yourself like I do you wouldn't have to worry about it.
To all,
Here is the low down of my past few days in Seoul:
As my earlier post, I was on business at the Hotel Seokyo that just happens to be in the center of town next to Honggik University.
I was accompanied by a local person so I have no idea of the rates at the following places:
Hotel Seo Seokyo: basement massage parlor.
Looks pretty much standard sauna. After a quick shower , I went into a curtained off area, where a nice looking girl (7/10) a little heavy. went on to give a good massage for 40 min. and the casually hand signal for the finale. (HJ) .
This next place is much nicer:
In Youeidong area next to Hotel Entima basement (again)
You find a receptoin and you go straight to a somewhat beautifully decorated room with a tub and a massage bed.
The girls (very nice 8/10) undresses you and take you to the tub where she washes your whole body. After that she does hers. Then you lay flat on the massage bed where she rubs some some soaps with her breasts and then she does Fire and Ice on your whole body. She delicately put the rubber and proceeds to get you aroused. Afterwards she straddles you until the end. You can change position. Aftewars that you go back to the shower and then she finishes the hour with a massage.
Overall these two experiences were not so bad except that both girls could not speak a word of English.
Hope this helps. this being my first post, feel free to ask questions or provide your two cents.
Happy H.
Equasian
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Hey Hey
wussup everyone.
I am really not down with the RLDs. The girls there seem to be too clinical. When it comes to sex I like everyone to have a good time. The fakeness of it all leaves me going home a bit unsatisfied....
However I am down with a clinical session of HJ and BJ.
I like the concept of the barbershop poles. Nice massage and then a nice happy ending with HJ and BJ at the end.
I have been to a couple. The women there were ok...Around 6 I guess. I was a bit drunk both times I went so I tolerated it.
Anyways...Does anyone have any advice on some good Barbershop pole places?
I have seen quite a few around Shinchon area. How about those? I know they are pretty much hit or mis...anyone hit a good one?
I keep reading about finkle, and see that the price there is about KRW 100,000. What if you don't want the sex? How much is it then??
Alright thanks
-Jigga
[QUOTE]Originally posted by jiggaman
[i]
I keep reading about finkle, and see that the price there is about KRW 100,000. What if you don't want the sex? How much is it then??[/i][/QUOTE]
I suspect, even if you wanted a HJ or a BJ it will be the same price. They charge you by the time, not by what you do.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]I suspect, even if you wanted a HJ or a BJ it will be the same price. They charge you by the time, not by what you do. [/i][/QUOTE]
Yeah I understand that....But usually the going rate is 60,000.
60,000 is the going rate for the RLD and the Barbershop places...
I know the MASSAGE Places are around 150,000 but they do a lot more and you can spend like all night there.
In terms of Finkle, do they give you a massage and then "pleasure"...or do people just go straight to business?
Usually those Barbershop places don't offer more than a HJ/BJ...so I was assuming b/c many of you got more you had to pay more for it...
Jiggaman,
I'm not sure what the exact rate is for a barbershop but think it's 80,000-100,000(depending on the location). I know for sure they are slightly more expensive than RLDs.
At pinkle they start off with a massage(if you can call it that)at a barber chair and you'll be proceeded to shower and a small room where you get the extra. But I've only been there once and so others might be able to enlighten you more.
Most barbershops that I know offer more than HJ/BJ, so's the word on the streets amongst Koreans. But I guess there are a few that only engage in HJ/BJ, but I somehow doubt that.
Massage place that charges 150,000? Where the hell is that? And you can pretty much spend the whole night there? That doesn't sound right... If you stay longer you have to pay more; that's the rule in turkishbath/massage parlor and pretty much everywhere you pay for service.
I know for a fact that most turkish bath/massage places in Kangnam cost nothing less than 180,000.
Ok guys,
I have spent hours reading most of the post of this forum, which gives me already a correct picture of the city. To summarize, I guess it is right to say that there are:
- barbershops, rather cheap, but older and lower quality girls, no FS, some are foreigner-friendly
- meeting/business rooms with upscale gilrs, foreigner- UNfriendly, very expensive
- bath, like the famous Finkler, which are in basement of hotels or not, foreigner-freindly, correct service for a regular price
- the RLD such as YGJ,Miari and588, the later one beeing foreigner-UNfriendly. service depends on the place... but rather quick and no GFE.
So what I still miss to get a full vision of the place before I go there, is how to organize myself. I would need more advice on outcall service to hotel, as apparently it looks that the service is for Koreans only! If not, I would be pleased to the a good website or phone number to book a girl. Then I don't know which hotel to take....
Talking about hotels, is it worth considering hotels like the Dynasty, the New World, ... service downstair, but do I get the woman in my room for the night ? If I book a good hotel, like the Hyatt, Renaissance, etc.. can I ring the bell to get a girl ? They all have clubs, do they have girls who would go to my room, like they do for example in the Hyatt club in Dubai ?
So I'm kinda lost so far...
I'll stay from Oct 14th - 16th and 18th-20th....
So any good advice for me, white male English speaker would be great. I am considering up to 200k won for a nice service, and more for the night with multiple fuck and GFE.
thanks guys. Maybe we could even meet there if we have same interest, and around same age... I am 30.
cheers
I had one outcall experience when I called for a friend, the girl was average but service was normal. The problem with outcall is that the person on the phone will not speak English, so unless someone can call for you, they will just hang up. Unless someone knows of an English speaking one, you might be out of luck.
I haven't seen a hotel in Korea, that offers girls to your room yet, maybe others can enlighten us on the subject.
I have an outcall experience in Busan. I checked into a motel(yeo-kwan) to stay overnight, I believe the rate was 40,000 won per night. Anyways, the business cards(those ones found all over the streets with sexy gilrs and a cell phone number on it) were placed at the motel entrance so I picked one and present it to the motel manager ajussi when I checked in. It didn't take too long to make him understand that I wanted him to call them and ask for a girl to be sent over. By pointing at my wallet constantly when he was on the line, I managed to find out the asking rate was 50,000 won for whatever they offered. It sounded a little too good to be true but I just thought the ajussi got a local rate.
In about half an hour, a girl showed up at my door and the girl was as big as a baby elephant. I politely blocked her at the door and gave her 5000 won for obvious reasons. She seemed to be pissed off and gave me that peace sign asking me 20,000. For what???? I was about to be pissed off myself but I smiled again and gave her 10,000 and gently closed the door on her.
I guess outcalls are hit or miss.
ok... so I will forget about outcall service.
I will try Finkle.
I think I could find a good hotel, the Hotel Riviera, 5 stard, for about 150 USD the night. Located next to the Korea World Trade Center (?), I guess the place is correct. I have seen on their website they have massage rooms and baths, so I expect some action. If not, I will go to Dynasty hotel.
cheers
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rene02
[i]I have seen on their website they have massage rooms and baths, so I expect some action. If not, I will go to Dynasty hotel.
cheers [/i][/QUOTE]
I think Dynasty hotel bathhouse is closed for good(or for a long time). I don't know about now but they haven't been operating since April. Latest update on this forum indicates that they are still closed, but don't take my word.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rene02
[i]ok... so I will forget about outcall service.
I will try Finkle.
...
cheers [/i][/QUOTE]I was in Kangnam area the other night and I thought I'd give Finkle a try after all the raves on the site.
I guess I got there during there "dead time" -- around 9 pm. In any case, most of the girls were sleeping and I got a chunky gal to give me the brief massage. The whole time I was hoping she was just the massage girl. But no :( To her credit, she gave a mean BJ.
If you're used to relaxed GFE incall experience in the States you will be disappointed. YMMV.
I guess you've read all the reports but for a "foreign" guy I would have thought that you would consider a hotel bar for a true pro or even finding a Korean speaking buddy to go to a BukChangDong (area near City Hall across from Samsung's HQ) business club based on some steamy reviews earlier by a "foreign" guy I think. At least it will be a relatively unique experience and much more memorable than a massage parlor.
Just my $0.02
To follow up with what Kern2 asked, are there any good bars or dance clubs you guys know (that's NOT in Shitaewon--please pardon my french ^ ^) where a guy can chill, talk with, or pick up non-pro girls? Specific club names (and directions) would definitely be appreciated. (I know people just point to an area but don't list specific clubs names or directions there)
For example, what specific places exactly in HongDae could one go (and the directions to get there). Any good techno/trance clubs? hip hop or anything else is okay too...just any place that's not in Itaewon is fine by me.
One more thing is that I am the type of person who prefers to go to bars or clubs either with just one other person or even alone, so if you know of any places a lone guy could go for fun (hopefully if the price cover is reasonable too) I'd really appreciate it.
Also, out of request from my Korean gyopo friend who just came to Seoul last week, this question goes out to the Korean posters in this forum: what good Korean dance clubs do you guys go to to pick up girls (again directions please) what i mean by this is that he wants to know of some strictly Korean (or mostly Korean) clubs. That nut =) For my sake though, please let me know if they are even remotely foreigner friendly, thanks. Ideally I'd wanna go with him but if they don't accept foreigners it's cool. I'm a mixed asian, if that means anything. in any case, please let me know so I can tell him those places.
Thanks!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rene02
[i]thanks seoulman... so which other place you would highly recommend ?
As the Dynasty hotel bath seems to be closed, which would be the best for a foreigner ? I have heard about the Central and the Crown.. ?
thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
well most barbershops around the ritz carlton will take foriegners
acually most barbershops take foreigners..
but.. it is hit or miss with the girls.. they dont allow you to view the girls first.. but I guess if she is brut ugly which she wouldnt be you could complain to the manager..
as for full on massage parlours..
well.. dynasty was the best place for foreigners..
200.000 was hard to beat.. check the archives you will find some places,, I havent been for a while so I am not the best one to give advice..
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulBlade
[i]To follow up with what Kern2 asked, are there any good bars or dance clubs you guys know where a guy can chill, talk with, or pick up non-pro girls? [/i][/QUOTE]Short answer: I think this depends on what kind of person you are. I mean, being foreign means being outgoing, and that is what Koreans expect from Americans. Korean ladies do not date non-Koreans who act like Koreans--they do so because they want something different.
You can chill anywhere, and talk to people anytime, assuming you know Korean. If you don't know Korean, there is no point going out to a Korean bar; Stick with Shinchon, Hongdae or Itaewan.
[quote][i]For example, what specific places exactly in HongDae could one go. Any good techno/trance clubs? hip hop or anything else is okay too...just any place that's not in Itaewon is fine by me. [/i][/QUOTE]The alleyway of clubs nearest to the #7 line subway has now been designated a tourist area by the Seoul Metro gov. It is right by the Family Mart. It's no secret. They occasionally have group rates when one ticket will get you into a bunch of clubs.
[quote][i]This question goes out to the Korean posters in this forum: what good Korean dance clubs do you guys go to to pick up girls. what I mean by this is that he wants to know of some strictly Korean (or mostly Korean) clubs. For my sake though, please let me know if they are even remotely foreigner friendly.
Thanks! [/i][/QUOTE]Hongdae has no discriminatory clubs. So, I guess you're out of luck. Chong-no 3-ga and 2-ga have Korean clubs, and they probably have some real A #1 stunnas. We're talking big money though. Also try the Apkujong subway, going out the southernmost exit (Hyundae Dept store is the wrong way).
Itaewan has a FEW Korean clubs, and I say they are Korean in that no sane foreigner would pay the money they ask for the "anju."
Basically, there are clubs all over. One I have always been curious about, but never visited, was one south of Chonggak station near the former Kolon sports store. Entrance is above ground, but club is below ground.
Most hotels now offer pricey (50,000 entrance) trance nights at least once a month, as Koreans have been really into this scene the last few years.
The fourth friday of every month is club night in Hongdae where 10,000 won will give you admittance to 10 different clubs. The music varies from club to club but there is something there for everyone.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]
Hongdae has no discriminatory clubs. So, I guess you're out of luck. . [/i][/QUOTE]Think again!!
Koreans are racist and rude and their government officials fall into that catagory. Also, there are no laws to prevent racial discrimantion or discrimination.
There are many bars which dont allow foreigners, and mamny bars which make us pay double.
Koreans have a long way to go, the sad thing is, they are educating the young ones to be racist!
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yeh, it seems strange that no on here has started a website with pics (at least not in english) maybe there are some in Korean??
www.worknplay.co.kr is a site that has pics and small reviews of bars and clubs in Korea. It will be expanding with video footage of the places and soundfiles of the resident dj's sets..if anyone has any regular bars or clubs that you want to see profiled, contact
barsclubs@worknplay.co.kr
it would be interesting to do the same with the best bars/massage/barber shop places here..all we need is a digital camera and some webspace...would be happy to help if a few people are interested...
there is a guy in england who started doing reviews of massage parlours around the country..expanded and now he gets the goods for free in return for reviewing them in the magazine....
If we got a Korean member to help us out maybe we could do the same thing!! - obviously this is massive wishful thinking on my part..but hey, I can dream..:)
BukChangDong Report
Went to a "Business Club" in BukChangDong.
Getting there:
BCD is a strip of these clubs across from Samsung's main building near City Hall.
The Dealio
Basically the deal is you pay about $400+ (you must negotiate with the man-in-charge!) for a party of 2 -- You get 2 bottles of scotch, free beer and mixers and snacks plus of course two ladies of your choosing. I have not been to Gangnam clubs, but I'm told that the ladies in BCD are not as attractive. However, what you lose in quality you get in "activity" (again from what I'm told relatively).
The guy will bring girls by and you can give em a thumbs-up or down. If none suits your taste, you can just leave -- Usually no hard feelings (ha ha pun not intended).
The girls will pretty much strip naked and dance with you sing songs and give you a lapdance etc for an hour and a half or so then the end the session with a BJ/HJ.
The experience
The girls' routine is very choreographed and I felt it lacked any real erotic / exotic elements. You feel like you're with a fem-bot albeit neked.
I'm still looking for a real "pro" GFE-type experience in Seoul (and I can't make it out to YJG)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by AMPM
[i]I'm planning an all Asia trip and going to hit up Bankok, China, Taipei, HK and Singapore. Any ideas as to what a Korean guy would like at these places? Already checked the individual cities on this forum and seems like most of the places are catered to white people. Are there any places in those selected cities where an Asian man can slip through? [/i][/QUOTE]If you are asian, I think it will honestly be easier for you.
I have some infos about Bangkok(although I've never been there)but according to many of my friends who's been there it's really a can't miss place no matter what race you are.
Singapore, I'll have to say is alittle pricey and not as fun as others. Most people in singapore go over to either Indonesia or Malaysia for some fun.
How about Malaysia? I'm currently in KL and this in one place I can give hell lot of information about. Of course not as great as Thailand but it isn't too bad either. And it cheaper than seoul.
BTW, are you Korean?
I just read a report by you guys saying that the dynasty had closed. I was planning to go there last night and instead got taken out to a place just round the corner from the Renaissance Hotel - brilliant - much better than Dynasty ever was.
180K won - same price for cash or credit card - no discrimination to westerners. The girls are much younger - the girl I had was 23 and an absolute stunner - tall, short hair, great body, and although it was my first time there I was told by the locals that nearly all the girls are the same quality at this place. The place does not look that old, the rooms are nicely furnished and it does not have that 70's look of the Dynasty - if you care about such stuff.
Starts off with a 1 hour massage by a blind woman - if you've never had one - very relaxing. Then you get taken to another room where the action starts. (this may have been reversed I think I picked up that due to the time of night, the girls were busy and I had to have the massage first - so don't be disconcerted) Similar to Dynasty in terms of the showering etc etc. At the end the girls expects to give you another massage - much more gentle than the blind woman who screwed up a disc in my back. (still hurts)
Finally when you are leaving you get a card with a stamp on it. After ten visits you are able to claim a freebie - I will definately be going back. As my girlfriend here cannot read Korean I advised her when she found card in my wallet the following day that this was a new coffee shop card.
I'm really sorry about this, but because the night was very late (and I had had a skinful of alcohol) I cannot remember the name of the place or enough description to tell you how to get there. I'll try to post again in the next couple of days. However I knew enough to walk nearly 1/2 hour home, so should be able to find it again without too much trouble.
General comment on barbershops - I usually avoid them. The girls are older and the service varies on the price and location. My local friends inform me that barbershops are trying to re-invent themselves at present, where fs was out of the question before, it happens more frequently now. Best bet is to go with a local who has been to a particular place before and therefore knows exactly what is going to happen. Being specific and detailed avoids lingering disappointment.
Never go to a RLD between the hours of 12am-3am (especially during Fridays and Saturdays).
Too many drunkin men, and there are very few girls to choose from.
Besides, the girls tend to rush you during these hours.
So the best times to go are Sunday through Thursday 7pm until 10pm. :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
I was driving in Kangnam today on my way to Coex...
And I noticed there was an establishment...It said:
"American Style Gentleman's Club and Caberet"
Has anyone been there? Or heard of the place? I am all down with a good ol strip club. I like a good tease....
Let me know if anyone knows about the place or any other strip clubs...
[QUOTE]Originally posted by New World Order
[i]Never go to a RLD between the hours of 12am-3am (especially during Fridays and Saturdays).
So the best times to go are Sunday through Thursday 7pm until 10pm. :)[/i][/QUOTE]
I would say the best time to go would be between 8pm -11pm on fridays and saturdays. Virtually every house on the streets are open on that day and not to mention most number of girls.
But as you've mentioned, I preferred to go on the weekdays.
Oh, sunday is not really a good day cause most houses are closed(well atleast in 588) and there aren't too many ladies. And I do think it's the least busiest day. It's pretty much empty till 10pm.
It might be different at YJG but I wouldn't know.
Hi, I am going to be in Seoul for the first time from 9/26/03 to 10/06/03, will be going with a korean speaking friend. What kind of plan you suggest? I will be staying in hotel, budget is $100, any hotel recommendation? I found a site www.korearooms.com, you think I could get a better rate booking on the internet or should I book when I get to Seoul.
Any help will be greatly appreciated.
Anyone know of any good Russian shops/parlors in the Seoul/local area?
I'm trying to avoid the random Russian girls in the bars (the ones I saw so far were quite nasty) and would like to find an actual establishment (MP, barber, etc.) that has some fine Russian girls..
Or are those places with Russian girls strictly catered to Korean businessmen only?
TheContinental? Mookman? NYY? Anyone have any info? Any info on Russian lovelies would be greatly appreciated. :)
I'm leaving the show for now since I will be going to the states for some vacation time.
I think it basically boils down to this, as mentioned before. Even prostitutes can choose who they have sex with, just like any person can choose. Whatever it might be, discrimination, bias, ignorance, either way, just because they are a prostitutes doesn't negate that they can choose their sex partners.
Once we accept this, there's nothing else to discuss.
I just think most people are reading too much about mongering instead of going out and doing it. That's the problem with all this tension.
Anyway, good luck to all. I'll post in the near future with any more adventures in Korea but I may be headed around other parts of Asia more often now.
As Dynasty seems to be closed, which bath would you recommend, for foreigner ?
Has anyone tried the health club in the Sofitel AMbassador ?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulBlade
[i]Anyone know of any good Russian shops/parlors in the Seoul/local area?
Or are those places with Russian girls strictly catered to Korean businessmen only? [/i][/QUOTE]
Sorry, would love to help but I too have only heard about Russian girls in the places you have mentioned.
I didn't even know there were such establishments that only catered to korean businessmen. Where is this place? Maybe I can find out something.
Yeah, the Hyatt would be a good place to go if you are just in town for afew days, or the Hilton. But don't go there with a budget! Many times you must be both goodlooking and a big spender to get girls to go with you. I have seen a lot of hakwan teachers in their jeans and sweaters trying out the Hyatt, and a budget doesn't cut it.
A lot of business people hang at the Hyatt, and those working long-term in Seoul freqeunt the place knowing they will be able to find girls as they are businessmen and professionals with skills.
Russian Strip joints: Yes, there are strip joints in Itaewan, you just have to look for them. There are/were two that I know of: one was all-Russian, and totally empty/devoid of punters all the time up past the old fire station on the steep set of steps ; the second was a mix of nationalities, but only heard about it. The guy who told me about it said all the girsl were like "Give me your number I will call you" after the show.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by NY Yankees
[i]Sorry, would love to help but I too have only heard about Russian girls in the places you have mentioned.
I didn't even know there were such establishments that only catered to korean businessmen. Where is this place? Maybe I can find out something. [/i][/QUOTE]So far from what I have seen, the Russian girls favor the Korean businessmen..of course they go for foreigners too but I tend to see more of Russian girls often having a purely Korean clientele--maybe the idea that those businessmen got more money, can't blame them I guess.
But anyway, I see Russian girls at random bars and clubs..I haven't been to Club International in Itaewon but from what I hear that place is full of Russian girls hooking up with Korean businessmen only(?). Maybe since you're Korean, you can check that place out for me? :)
All I want is to find a nice actual establishment to choose Russians in Seoul and not try to solicit these "semi-streetwalker" type Russian girls in sleeze bars. Anybody got any info? Much is appreciated.
Hi everyone,
After a long time in Ulsan I had a stopover in Seoul. Ulsan is a boring city from the sex point of view. No action ! And believe me, I walked upp and down all kind of roads. No SW, nothing ! Not even the night bars have any action.
Seoul is better. Close to the Renessaince Hotel, on the back side where the restaurants are, you find a lot of guys offering girls to you. I bargained down from 200$ to 110$/2 hours for nice and young Korean girls and took them to the hotel. They were all experts on BBBJ and the other things I can tell you.
Also, they offered Russians girls for about 150$. But I had some before in Europe. Mostly, they are not only bad looking but also poor performers. And being in Asia you take a Korean, what I believe are the most beautiful women in Asia (together with Vietnamese).
//Bide59
[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeoulBlade
[i]But anyway, I see Russian girls at random bars and clubs..I haven't been to Club International in Itaewon but from what I hear that place is full of Russian girls hooking up with Korean businessmen only(?). Maybe since you're Korean, you can check that place out for me? :)[/i][/QUOTE]
I would love to help you out but too bad I'm not in korea at the moment! :(
Will probably be back in seoul by end of this year.
I did ask some of my friends back in seoul about Russian girls but they told me the same thing as you did. Mostly around Itaewon and that's all they knew about.
These Russian girls, what do they speak? English? Korean?
And how much do most charge anyway?
Good luck in your further search!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by TheContinental
[i]the second was a mix of nationalities, but only heard about it. The guy who told me about it said all the girsl were like "Give me your number I will call you" after the show. [/i][/QUOTE]
Any chance you might be able to find out the location of this place? Sounds interesting! Thanks.
Hello all I am going to Korea in October and was wondering how the weather is and also where I can get me some porn dvd's
Thanks
Walking around the Westin Chosun tonight, I crossed the street bordering the hotel (to your left when leaving the hotel) and immediately came across one area, and one street in particular whose name I could not find, filled with "business clubs". Pretty girls were visible at the entrance of most of them.
There must 30 to 50 clubs at least, pretty much side by side. The street was filled with business people coming in and out. Since I was wearing jeans and a T-shirt, the guys standing outside did not ask me to go in, of course. It looked more like the suit required type of places.
Does anyone have experience with this kind of place. I imagine they are expensive, although I do not know what expensive is in Seoul, and I am wondering if you take the girls out from these places? Are they KTV types?
Maybe someone else staying at the Westin wondered the same thing. I saw some posts in which questions were asked about action in the area.
Thanks for sharing your experiences.
Nico gave the directions to Yong Joo Gol (attached below) some time ago. Can anyone add to them? It would be nice to have specifics. I don't have a car.
Also, does anyone know the temperature at Yongsan RLD? I walked through there the other day (finally found the place), and the ladies either gave me their blank Korean stare or looked the other way. No, I am not quasimoto. Has anyone been served lately?
Citing the directions for 588, there are two Cheongnyangni on my subway map. Which one is the correct one (I know it's the Seoul subway line, but which one is that)? Also, does anyone know the exact exit once there?
Nico's Directions to Yong Joo Gol: "Well if you are coming from Seoul the best and cheapest way would be subway,train then taxi in that particular order. You would get on the subway and navigate to the green line which is line 2. Take that line and get off at the Ehwa Womens University stop. Stop #241. Then come above ground and look for signs that will lead you to the train station. Or politely ask someone. It's called Sinchon Station. Take the train north until you get to the town of paju. It's the stop after Wollong. If you miss the stop you can still get off at the next stop which is Munsan. I know for a fact that it's only 10,000 won for a taxi to Yong Joo Gol from there. But Paju is closer if your coming from seoul. Then just find a taxi and tell the driver Yong Joo Gol.
Train costs 1200 won
Subway costs 600 won
Taxi cost is negotiable
Once there you will see the windows where the women sit and wait for customers. Have fun, enjoy yourself and be careful out there...."
As a sidebar, I have been reading and posting here for about a year. In that time, I have never seen such hostility like I have seen lately. This is sex guide site, not the Jerry Springer show. Get over your damn selves.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Carrick
[i]Also, does anyone know the temperature at Yongsan RLD? I walked through there the other day (finally found the place), and the ladies either gave me their blank Korean stare or looked the other way. No, I am not quasimoto. Has anyone been served lately?[/i][/QUOTE]You sound as if you're surprised by this. Don't feel bad bro, that's how it is over here. One thing you're forgetting is that it's pretty hard if you're a foreigner. Basically, if you are not Korean (and especially if you're not Asian), chances are that you won't be served by any of the hot ones in 588, Yongsan, or Yong Joo Gol. That means the main streets of any of the RLDs (except Miari). It doesn't matter how you look, getting served by the hot ones is very rare.
Did you check the sidestreets and alleys? You can usually get service from the girls there, but you know how those girls are, right?--they are mostly old, fat, worn out, and not very visually appealing, to say the least.
From my experience, the overall chances with the girls in the RLDs were (in order of 'most foreigner friendly to least foreigner friendly'):
Miari -- Yongsan/588 -- YJG
Don't be fooled by this asessment though, because there is a HUGE gap between Miari and Yongsan/588. Miari welcomes just about anyone, while the others do not.
Basically, getting service isn't THAT hard...but getting service from the girls that YOU want--> now THAT is HARD/IMPOSSIBLE.
Take a Korean friend with you next time. The chances may be better, but not by much.
Will be going to Seoul next week. Have already been to 588, Itaewon and Miari. Will try to find Yongsan and Finkle. I plan to stay at a hotel in Kang Nam.
Didn't really like Miari because of the wedding dresses that they wear. Found on girl with a nice face but when we got to the room she was kind of too big for my taste. Tried to change girls but she was persistant that I stay with her and I reluctantly agreed. She was mechanical and kept saying pali pali, 20 min later she stopped and wanted another 70,000won. Wanting to complete the deed I agreed, later she wanted allnight for 600,000 won. I wasn't going to pay that so I offered 300,000, don't know why I even offred, but she said 500,000 so I just left. I would say the girl was 6/10 but her face was 8, be careful and check her out thouroughly before going up.
The next night went to 588. Got dropped of at the side alley by 7-11 by the taxi driver, must be bacause I was Japanese american not korean. There I found a girl who was wearing a tight red dress. She said her name was soo jin and spoke broken english. There I took out my translator and said how much. She laughed and showed 7 fingers, I assumed that was 70,000 so I said okay. Must have been horney cause I never even looked around. Upstairs she had a translator and chated for 30min. She then initiated a covered BJ and FS, she wasn't bad but kept talking about how she needed money to get out of the business after and wanted to spent the night at my hotel. I offered 300,000 and settled on 400,000 for the night.
If anyone will be there sept 4-6 and can show me other spots email me at seoulsearcher69@yahoo.com
Yongsan seems to be one of the more friendlier places, but it remains to see how long it lasts. A new train station is going up, and this may put one more pleasure alley out of business.
Trolling around the side streets of Yongsan always has been fruitful. Only once did I get a taker on the main drag. She spoke perfect English, and admitted that just a couple more “appointments” and she could get the work.
I’ve had my share of good and just so-so experiences there, but never went away disappointed. Some have been downright enjoyable – especially when compared to Miari. Met a young thing there a few Sundays ago, and she just was delicious. Didn’t speak a lot of English, but enough for small talk. Little on the wilder side because she had a belly button stud and tattoo.
Definitely is a lot better than Taegu. Had to go down there recently, and just about wore myself out looking for a barbershop. I don’t read much Korean, so maybe I was missing something.
Was not hard to find the coffee shops. Just look for all the mopeds parked at the door. Stopped at a couple, but no luck. At one place was holding hands with the agassi trying to get her to reach inside my pants. Did everything except flop it out on the table, but she wouldn’t go for it, or didn’t get the hint. Sure wish I could break the code for tabang agassis. Any way to stop a sure bet?
[b]Bukchang-dong Run[/b]
Looking for one running-mate for the Bukchang-dong RS experience this week. Early evening (7:30 p.m. - 10:00 p.m.) is better. Bring W250-400,000 depending on whether you expect to get fucked or just sucked. E-mail [email=ssurv@hotmail.com]ssurv@hotmail.com[/email]
[QUOTE]Originally posted by samter
[i]Wanting to complete the deed I agreed, later she wanted allnight for 600,000 won. I wasn't going to pay that so I offered 300,000, don't know why I even offred, but she said 500,000 so I just left.
I offered 300,000 and settled on 400,000 for the night.[/i][/QUOTE]
You paid her 400,000 won, from what time to what time did she stay with you?
And at Miari, the girl wanted 500,000 starting from what time?
Does anyone have any experiences they would like to share in the Ilsan area?
I'm new here and don't feel like going into Seoul.
Been busy lately so havent been posting as much, have alot of stuff still to do here with very limited amount of time left.
Saturday night
I was waiting around to talk to Gina and decided to stop in at Fantasy Club. Went in talked with her for a bit and she gave me a good offer. I believe it's good because I have the money to spend. She asked why I always went with Gina, and I told her of the price and the outstanding service. I mentioned that I would be spending Sunday night there with Gina. Naturally she asked how much for the night, being smart I said $200.00. She said I could stay with her for the same amount, which was good because I was paying more to stay with Gina. I then asked her if she would give me service as good as Gina and she said sure she would. So I said lemme see what you offer. Now I have been there many times before so that's the main reason she gave me this price. I only paid 50,000 won. Yes thats not a typo 50,000 won. If you read back through the post you will see that I have been a repeat customer and even brought some of my friends there.
Sunday night
I had told Gina I would be coming by to spend the night with her at around 10:30 Sunday night. I got there a bit later and some moron was in there asking really stupid questions so had to sit there and wait for his stupid ass. I drank a beer and watched a fight across the way at Pollys which I captured with my camcorder. I paid the mamasan $300.00 for the night with Gina which to me is not much. I then went up to her apartment where she was waiting on me and I was in heaven. We spent the next two hours enjoying each others company. She is such a little sparkplug. She then showered and went down to try and work 1 more hour before she closed which was fine with me because I needed a break. She returned at 3am showered and slid into bed next to me. For the next 9 hours we slept, had sex, kissed, held and talked. She is really and sweet person. We had a really good talk about life and each other. I believe what she told me to be the truth. I am not some dumb, young G.I. who is in love either. I will be gone soon but to anyone who goes there treat her nicely and she will respond with the same. She is the nicest, kindest and most giving provider on the hill. And also one of the prettiest. Enjoy her while you can if your stay here isn't a long one.
To all you guy's who work here I envy you. This is a wonderful country enjoy the rich history. And if your hiring I will be a free man in 40 or so days. I'm 30, physically fit, in shape, handsome and a minority. LOL what more could you ask for.
Member #1127,
You have come across a famous town 'Puk-Chang-Dong'.
I don't think you're not allowed by the dress-code but maybe they don't like foreigner to get in.
There, you could drink some whisky and side dishes and experience the 'show'.
Daniel
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Member #1127
[i]Walking around the Westin Chosun tonight, I crossed the street bordering the hotel (to your left when leaving the hotel) and immediately came across one area, and one street in particular whose name I could not find, filled with "business clubs". Pretty girls were visible at the entrance of most of them.
There must 30 to 50 clubs at least, pretty much side by side. The street was filled with business people coming in and out. Since I was wearing jeans and a T-shirt, the guys standing outside did not ask me to go in, of course. It looked more like the suit required type of places.
Does anyone have experience with this kind of place. I imagine they are expensive, although I do not know what expensive is in Seoul, and I am wondering if you take the girls out from these places? Are they KTV types?
Maybe someone else staying at the Westin wondered the same thing. I saw some posts in which questions were asked about action in the area.
Thanks for sharing your experiences. [/i][/QUOTE]
Hi All...
This is a report for Russian action in Seoul and other parts of Korea.
As you all know, Korea is rather a small country and has been isolated for a long long time from the outer world. Before 1976, the official diplomatic relationships were only made with China and Japan. Korea has its history of around 2,000 years, although its myth told us that it's around 4,400 years.
There surely was some commercial trade between Koreans in nothern parts (now the territory of North Korea) and merchants in Vladivostok, but official relationship between Korea and Russia was first introduced by Mr. Weber, a diplomatic minister from Russia in late 1880's.
Since then some Russian girls were introduced to Seoul, but mainly to serve the western people here in Seoul. For ordinary Koreans, Russian girls then were only for their curiosity and rumors. Majority of them came from Russia, White Russia (Belalush) and Ukhraina...
But after the Russo-Japanese wars in 1904, Japan has made Korea as its colony and all the Russian girls were expelled and no Russian girls were found in Seoul.
And after 1945, Korea was divided into two and Russians were not able to be in South Korea.
1988 was the important epoch in Russo-Korean relationships. Olympics were held in Seoul and many Russian atheletes and correspondents first visited South Korea. But it was USSR, not Russia.
In 1989, official diplomatic relationships were made between USSR and South Korea, and since then Russian girls came to Korea to make money. The difference between the early relationships is that the majority of Russian girls are from Havarobsk and some Siberian cities, not from Europe Russia.
The usual visa status for Russian girls (in sex industry) is for 'dancers'. In fact, some Seoul night clubs have their Russian dancers, but not in the center of the city.
But for the money, they got a 'sidejob', and rapidly 'sidejob' has become their 'main job'.
The way we could contact Russian is to call their agency. Although there has been some problems with Russian girls, usually Koreans pay KRW 150,000 (plus hotel) to the agency and I've heard that Russian girls are paid KRW 80,000 per action.
We could get the number of Russian girl agencies very discretely, but not so difficult.
Korean males are curious about Russians and from time to time we could find some 'Russo-girl-philia'.
Some Russian girls are working in Room Salons but not very usually.
Okay, this is a brief report for Russian action in Seoul.
Hope this would help.
Daniel
Member #1164,
In October the whether is BEST in Korea. You could imagine an autumn of New England...
Porn DVD? It's completely illegal in Korea.
Dan
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Member #1164
[i]Hello all I am going to Korea in October and was wondering how the weather is and also where I can get me some porn dvd's
Thanks [/i][/QUOTE]
Hey guys can you help me out. I know Seoul quite well and I know the KTV's and bars and also the pick up joints for freebees.
However in the past I have had a regular girlfriend in Seoul so didnot need to look for working girls. What I want to know is are there any bars that the working girls frequent and where I can get an all nighter back to my hotel?
What I dont want is street girls, call ins, short time girls or the phone calls for out calls (I dont speak enough Korean to use a phone).
Idealy what I want to do is hit a few regular bars, the drinks bars on Itaewon maybe but then go somewere where I can get a working girl at the end of the night.
Thanks for any suggestions.
Hey NY Yankee,
The place was across 7-11. I usually go after I send time with family, so probably around 11pm. She said she was going to leave at 8am after she woke up, but ended up sleeping to 2pm. Had to rush her out after 3pm cause my inlaws were downstairs waiting to go out. I don't know if she was going to stay later if she woke up at 8, but got alot of time out of her.
Happy Hunting!
Hi, I'm new to this board, but will be visiting Seoul several times over the next month.
Does anyone know if there is any call in service to the Westin Chosun? Are there any problems having girls come to your hotel? And what price should be considered fair?
Thanks for the info.
Has any of you ever tried to meet girls using services like adultfriendfinder.com ?
I have just enrolled and it looks like there is a dozen of girls in Seoul, and anywhere else actually, who are looking for sex partners. Some of them wrote that they would like to get some money for it, some did not... I am sending some emails but am wondering whether there is a chance or not...
Rene02,
I have met a lot girls over the internet thru adultfriendfinder.com. But I was looking to meet some girls from Korea and all I am getting is girls from South American, Russia, Philppines, and a few from Thailand. I have hook up with one of the girls in Thailand, and we have a great time everytime when I go to Thailand. She is from a upper class family and just wants to have some fun, with a American and her family is died set against it. So we e-mail each other and see each other, when I am in Thailand, it is great!
Random in Tokyo -
Email me at lonestarkorea@hotmail.com
FYI for all - the main entrances to Miari now have huge banners reading "Foreigner off-limits"
Not a big loss to me as I think those areas are rather 'icky' but it's worrisome nevertheless since they are posted in a PUBLIC area.
Will post pic soon.
Does anyone know this girl?
Asset man,
Why do you ask ? Where did you get this photo ?
Did you take it yourself or get it from someone else ?
Just want to confirm what "assetman" said. I went to Miari over the holiday weekend and, unfortunately, it was closed to foreigners. (I'm American.) As you leave exit 10, there are five or six alleyways leading off to your right. Well, all but the last one had banners overhead saying that foreigners were not allowed. The ajumas at those alley entrances would not look at or speak to me. When I got to the last entrance, there was no banner, but the ajuma put her hands on my stomache and pushed me back -- not in a threatening way, just her way of saying that I couldn't come in there.
Anyone know what is up with this, and how long it will be before we can get back in there?
It was a disappointing thing to see.
Which is the best bath those days ? In Hotels ?
I've posted a pic of the Miari "Foreigners Off-limits" banner in thge photo section.
Hey I think I know that girl she goes to Pasadena City College here in California!
From Korea Herald, Sept. 17, 2003
Foreigners not welcome: brothels
The red light distric in Miari, northern Seoul, hoists a banner rejecting foreigners.
A leading red light district in Seoul seems to have found a new scapegoat for its financial woes: not the economic downturn or a police crackdown, but migrant workers from less developed countries.
Proprietors of brothels in Hawolgok-dong, northern Seoul, commonly known by its nickname of an obscure origin "Miari Texas Village," have come to a new business policy of denying service to migrant workers who they look at as potential transmitters of SARS or other critical viruses.
As a public display of their resolve to "purify their working environment," the owners' association have proudly erected nine large banners reading "Foreigner off-limits place" at major entrances to the area, setting a precedent by formalizing an announcement that borders on racism.
"The main culprits behind the ever-dwindling number of local patrons are foreign laborers," said Jeon Kyung-bong who leads a self-disciplinary committee of the owners. "Koreans are staying away from here for fear of the possibility of contracting SARS and AIDS."
According to the owners, their sales have dropped more than 50 percent with most of the mid-sized shops registering slim takings at 200,000-300,000 won per night. Plus, the once prosperous red light district is rapidly losing much of its luster with the number of shops dropping to 200 from some 300 a year ago.
The lack of demand has seen a market downturn to the extent that prices have dropped enough to attract a slew of migrant workers in recent months.
However, most of the foreigners who are denied access are from Southeast Asia, China and Africa, giving rise to claims that the brothel owners are practicing racial discrimination.
"To make the groundless judgment that foreign workers are practitioners of promiscuous sex and deny them access to certain areas, even if that area is a red light district, is nothing more than racial discrimination," Choi Hyun-mo, director of the Human Rights Protection Center for Migrant Workers in Korea, said.
(khjack@heraldm.com) By Choe Yong-shik
From Korea Times, Sept. 17, 2003
SARS Forces Brothels to Shun Foreigners
By Soh Ji-young
Staff Reporter
"Miari Texas", a red-light district in Seoul, is causing a stir for its new policy of refusing foreign customers.
From this month, banners reading "foreigner off-limits" have been put up in front of entrances to the brothel district situated in Songbuk-dong, for the first time since it began business 45 years ago.
Brothel owners are saying the measure was unavoidable as the recent increase of foreign customers, mostly from Southeast Asian countries and China, are seriously affecting their business.
"As there is widespread belief that foreign workers spread AIDS and severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), Korean customers are being driven away" said Chon Kyong-bong, a brothel owner who conducted business in Miari for more than two years. He is serving as the head of the owners’ committee that adopted the resolution of not accepting foreigners.
Female employees themselves also show reluctance to provide services to them in fear they will contract diseases, he said.
"Although we feel bad for the migrant workers who are here in a foreign land, we have to think of the health of our employees, who have weak immune systems since they drink a lot of alcohol while working" Chon told The Korea Times.
Previously known as the leading red-light district in Seoul, Miari Texas had once boasted more than 300 establishments but strict police crackdowns and loss in customers had driven more than 100 to close.
Although tourists from Japan and other countries have occasionally visited the district in the past, it was pretty much unknown to foreigners until the last two to three years, when migrant workers began flocking to the district, the owner said.
Since then, Miari Texas is being called a second Itaewon, due to the large number of foreign workers who come from nearby cities and hang around the area until morning while waiting for buses and subways to resume, Choi said.
Justification of the reasons surrounding the measure aside, the newly-enforced entrance ban against foreigners is expected to cause controversy as it is perceived to be based on racial prejudice.
"Assuming foreign workers easily spread AIDS and SARS and expressing that view publicly is a typical form of racial discrimination" said Choi Hyun-mo, director of the Korea Migrant Workers’ Human Rights Center.
Meanwhile, Miari brothel owners have also resolved to clean up their act to improve their tarnished image and attract more customers, through regular cleaning up of the district and hosting bazaars for the needy.
Wolf - it's actually the avatar of a poster on a board I frequent and she looked really familiar. However, I couln't place her (I thought I might've stumbled on one of the Hill's hooks that I played with long ago), so I posted it here to see if indeed anyone else recognized her.
The story hit the wires and is all over local news outlets. Won't be long b4 CNN/BBC/Reuters/AP picks it up. Good times.
Chick I nailed on Hooker Hill in Iteawon for $100 on a night when I was bored. She would not let me take a pic of her face (she was OK looking) and the bod was ok - but could she milk me with that thing of hers. Look at that cream.
Assetman,
She also looks familiar to me. But I can't either say where I met her. Might be at the JJ at the Hyatt. On which board did you get her ? Did she answer you ?
Cheers
Question for everyone, which Hotel is better for a short stay; wanting to find action easily? Hyatt or Renessaince Hotel. I will be in town fro a very short time and these 2 hotels are the best for location because of my business in Korea. Either are my choose, but work comes first on this trip. I will not have much time for fun, but will be looking! Which is the best for fun?
To seoulman,
OH PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I thought we were over this long long time ago. Please stop your whining and "I'm always right attitude."
I think everyone heard you the first time, why keep bringing it up every 10 seconds?
You must really really have nothing to do, always coming here and bitching...
maybe you should start picketing around miari, 588 etc and even infront of city hall so these korean racist can get your drift...
I mean seriously, what do you get out this. Self satisfaction? Self gratification?
For God's sake, if you don't like in seoul, change your nick and go some place else! Simple!
Hello All,
Does anyone know what the establishments that say, "Mee-In-Club", (¹ÌÀÎÅ©·´) do? They usually also say, "Tip-W30,000". Are they strip joints or some type of bar?
Anyone have any experience there? If, so, how were the girls there?
In Disguise
I don't think the reason for Miari losing $ is that foreign laborers are going to the brothels; Rather, I think it is just that Korean women are so easy that everyone is getting laid these days.
The photos that people have been posting are of really UGLY girls. You guys need to up your standards a bit.
JimHArt: The Hyatt, as the Disco is right down stairs.
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To In Disguise,
Mee-In in korean means "beauty," so it translates into "beauty club"
I've never been into one but if I'm not mistaken, it's probably a karaoke bar with a girl next to you. You order some drinks, they come with tidbits and a selection of girls. I have no idea if these girls will strip bare naked and give you HJ/BJ like the ones in bok-changdong. But I think these girls will go out for "extras"
Again, I'm not a specialist in this area. But it is probably a lower grade of "danlan-jum-mun" which itself is a lower grade of Room salons.
As for the "Tip 30,000?" I bet there is a catch to it.
I think Daniel You would be able to clarify everything for us.
Daniel, if you are still active in the forum, care to enlighten us both? Need your help here.... :)
To TheContinental,
I do agree with you regarding the girls appearances...
Hey check out the Thailand photo gallery, IMHO, I have no idea how they can say those girls look hot....
After all the reports, I had to try the infamous Finkle. Wandered around for 25 minutes trying to find Starbucks (with 8 exits out of Yeoksam station it’s easy to go the wrong way). Found it, went downstairs and the madam asked me for 110,000. I tried to bargain for 100,000 but no luck. Finkle is a funny place, with massages, HJ, FS, and haircuts all going on under the same roof.
Was led to a back room with a barbers chair covered in towels. Told to change into shorts and all my clothes where locked up. About 15 minutes later a 30+ woman comes in-not so pretty, perhaps a 5-6/10. She washed my feet and started massaging my legs, twice touching my dick and making a vesuvious motion, indicating a super HJ would result. She also motioned that FS wouldn't be happening. I then said So-Yeon or something to that effect, and the woman went away. 15 minutes later a pretty, tall woman of maybe 28 took me by the hand and led me upstairs to a small room with adjoining shower. She told me to shower, and went away. Can back 5 minutes later and pointed to the bed. She stripped down and the rest was history. She is pretty 8/10 perhaps, tallish at 168cm, and fairly flat chested. Very good with the mouth and moaned like a pro. Finished up with a 5 minute massage (which I wish lasted longer). So-Yeon smiled a lot and was “nicer” than a lot of pros I meet, so perhaps GFE is accurate to a point. Worth the money in my opinion.
Better directions to Finkle:
Walk out of exit 8 (this is important in order to find Starbucks) and go straight 30m. Turn left on the first corner where the Starbucks is. Turn right at the 2nd narrow alley. Walk 50m, going past Hotel M on the left. Turn at the first right-there is a small restaurant on the corner. Finkle is to the right of the restaurant, downstairs.
Decided to roll the dice at 2am and tried an escort card number I’d picked up during the day. The first had no answer, but the second was successful, with the guy speaking English. We confirmed the currency-200,000won for 1 hour, and I insisted the girl be very pretty-not old or fat, which he agreed to. I also said if I could go 2-3 times in the hour and he said OK. He promised she’d arrive in 20 minutes.
Thirty-five minutes later a nicely dressed, attractive (7/10) girl of 24 showed up. Got the money out of the way, agreed on the time (she said 50 minutes rather than 60) got a cleaning of the privates from her, and then preceeded to a CBJ followed by FS. I let loose after about 15 minutes, and then shortly after discovered she was planning to leave then. I said her boss promised a full hour of fun, but a call to him did not confirm this.
Ended up with a bit of a weak massage, and let her go at the 35minute mark. All in all a bit expensive for such a short stay, but I guess that’s the way the business is more often than not. Shows I’m a novice I guess.
Went out late in search of a cutie on Saturday night. The Hilton was busy, but 90% Koreans with their dates dancing to the DJ. By 1am it was dead, so headed to JJ Mahoney’s in the Grand Hyatt. Climbing the hill from the subway a bunch of older women whispered something which I took to mean “girl”, but was hoping for some quality to take back to the hotel, so I declined.
Once in the hotel, on the way down to the club, a woman of 35+ smiled in that “I’m free now” way, but I thought I’d find better and let her go. The place was packed, and the Oz band pretty good, but it was a bit hard to figure out who was a working girl and who was just out for the night as there were so many women there with their girlfriends. Anyway, no one interesting made any direct approaches, and I called it quits at 2:15am.
Last stop was Itaewon. Went up hooker hill at 3am, and after a quick eyeballing of the talent allowed myself to be dragged upstairs by a tall thin woman in her late 20’s. She had a nice face, and good rack (silicon)-maybe a 7/10. I got the discount rate of 100,000 rather than 200,000 “because I am handsome” LOL. Anyway, the room upstairs had 4 small couches and we got to business right away. Decent CBJ, then FS with her riding, then from behind. I admit you won’t find a classy woman on the hill, but if you just need to get laid, then it is a pretty efficient way, and the talent wasn’t bad considering the price.
Dear All,
It's my first report & wish I can contribute after benefitting much from this GREATEST FORUM of Mankind.
Guys- lets's talk about sex
Viewing all the recent posts, (esp about Mirai banning foriegners) Let's put the arguments aside & try to look at it from a different perspective.
I try to put down in numbers of chance for travellers to get laid in Seoul, these numbers are gross but I think it's useful to travellers thinking visit here. (travellers have limited time & or budget, they are the ones really need this forum)
RLD- 588/Miari/Yongsan
Girls 5-9
$ :W60,000-180,000
Chance of acceptance 0-20% ( try Yonsan B row/ don't go Miari)
Barbar Shops - pls check previous reports
Girls 4-6
$ :W50,000- 120,000
Chance of acceptance 70- 90% ( don't go peak times full of koreans customers)
MPs - those attached to hotels
Girls 4-7
$ :W150,000-190,000
Chance of acceptance 70-90%
Rooms Salons
Girls 6-10
$ : W 400,000-1,500,000 ( it's expensive as u have to spend alot on wines..etc)
Chance of acceptance 50-90% ( go with Koreans)
Definition: Foreigners - All except japanese, kyobo & Asians whom will have no major problems.
Hey, of course you can add/ amend /challenge these #s but pls also be productive.
MingMan
Mingman, where are your stats to back up your post? Have you calculated this in some scientific manner, or are you just guessing?
NY Yankee,
Yes still I am very active and I have been active from 1987!
You are absolutely right for 'Mee-In-Chon'. That's why I did not need to give any addtional information about it.
Talk to you later...
Daniel
daniel_you@yahoo.com
PS. I have left the former company and now I am working for another one. Call me or send me an email.
To Asian Travels,
Hey great infos. However, the girl that you described as So-yeun doesn't seem to match the real So-yeun.
So-yeun doesn't have a flat chest and she definitely isn't 168cm. If the girl you had didn't have a small buddist tattoo on her left breast, it probably was somebody else.
I admit I couldn't quite catch her name, but I am sure it was So-....(something). It could have been So-hwan or anything like that. Perhaps So-yeun is known for FS, so asking for her made it clear what I wanted.
Anyway, this one was a real moaner, great with the mouth, and gave a decent massage to boot. She also smiled a fair bit and held my hand, so all in all a short GFE experience.
A word of warning:
Be careful if you are trying to use Hangul characters from this website-it won't work unless you have set your computer to handle it. Someone posted something in Hangul, but on my computer it showed up in Chinese characters, so I was looking for the totally wrong sign for ages.
Asian Travels,
Sounds like you were busy. I've usually found JJ's to be difficult to make contact unless you're with a group of friends. K-girls seem to run in packs (even the pro's seem to work in pairs) and it is difficult to pull one out by yourself, and Saturday is usually the most difficult time as JJ's is super crowded.
If you want to meet a pro, late on the week nights seems to be when they are easy to identify. They're usually sitting at the bar and not dancing, and a bit older than the rest of the girls there. If it is late, they'll let you know right away once you start talking with them why they are there.
BR
Hi fellas,
I am going on a business trip to Seoul in mid October and I am curious about where I should stay to be close to action (I work in Financial Services so I will most likely be somewhere close to the financial district) and how much I should expect to pay. I have spent a fair amount on Thailand over the last three years but I am a complete newbie to the Korea scene and really have no clue how it works there. I will be in town for a week. Should I stay over the weekend or head over to Bangkok. Any info would be greatly appreaciated.
LarryOne
Hi Guys,
Almost same request as LarryOne. I tried to figure out yesterday where to find girls in Seoul and got confused.
- I understand that the many many barber shops (with that rotating sign) are not for sex or how does it work?
- Where is "hooker hill" in Itaewon?
- Is there a simple address where I could go for a full package instead of browsing around wihtout too much (understatement) of a success
Tks
Hey Dummy,
Welcome to the forum. If you want to hit hooker hill in Iteawon it is really easy. Look for the UN club on the main drag in Iteawon. If walking, you know you are going in the right direction if you pass (in this order) McDonalds, Subway, Burger King & just before the next intersection on the R is UN. Keep going past UN and turn Right and take the very next left and UP UP UP the hill you go.... If the girls are trying to pull you in a club - it is HOOKER heaven, if not, then it is probably (notice proabably) a regular bar - but you can still usually get some there.... These are all WORKING girls - so, unless you get REALLY luck - you will pay for the tail in these places.
Now for the free tail - hit the clubs after 1pm when the GIs are back on post for their curfew. The "girlfriends" who stay out after their boyfriends leave - are always looking for boyfriends with more $$$ to move upward and onward too. Hit the bigger clubs to find the "free" tail (you gotta buy drinks and spend time with them so it is not exactly free) but you can get some nice young looking ones this way. King club, Queen club, MTV, Seoul Pub and Limelight are some of the better places to find these chicks.
At around 4am is the best fishing time. The honeys that are hot and bothered, that have not found a man - are usually roasty toasty on booze by this time and you can swoop in and get some really free tail for just dancing and being nice. I have done this on more than one occasion. Just hit the club a few hours before closing, find the girls in singles or pairs that look down and dejected (no man to take them home) and swoop in like a hawk and viola! Poonanny for the picking.
And, to me, the best place to find girls - MSN Korea personals. I have a flock of 6 chicks (nice girls - not the club girls) that I picked up online that all "love" me. All are "tutors" and work Monday to Friday and live with their parents - none are virgins - but none are club girls either - these girls ALL put out on the first or second date, and then keep coming back for more looking for a husband. Tell them you are looking for your "soulmate" and they are hooked on you.
Enjoy!
WickedWillie
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Went bar hopping tonight (bored) and just decided to get a quickie on the Hill with the chick at Fantasy.
60,000W for about 1hr of fun. She is a little older, but the BBBJ is great and she is willing to try anything.
Also ran into a girl I had not seen in a while, Mah Ja at Flower club. Was asking $300US for a all nighter - I laughed at her - she came down to $200 - I still laughed at her, when I passed her later that night it was down to $120 - but I had already seen the chick at Fantasy so I passed.
Check her out - she looks in her early 30s, A cup, very petite and is a tigress in the sack.
Best o luck!
Mingman (or amyone)
Where are some MP's in town where there is a good chance to "get lucky", i.e., HJ, BJ, or FS? I'm here for a month off and on and would like to try a few! Thanks!
I lived in Korea for close to nine years. I mostly frequented Pyongtaek and Songtan. I did this mainly because I always though Seoul sucked. Itaewon was the bottom of the barrel. I did have the occasion of getting into a gentlemen's club out near Yuido with a Korean male friend of mine (I am African-American, but speak read and write Korean) and the girls were just awesome. It was quite expensive though. The cover charge was 300,000 won before you even talked to a girl. Other than that one time, I always had bad luck in Seoul. However, I just happened to be up in Seoul during 9/11 and went over to Apkujong with a gorgeous female grad student that I met over in Shinchon (more on that in another post). This place if your readers don't know is like Rodeo drive of Korea. Lot's of flash and lot's of cash. This is where the BMW/Rolex/private jet crowd hangs out.
Anyway, we went to the Hard Rock on a Friday night and the women were just amazing! Forget about Miari or Hooker Hill. This is the place! Imagine being in an American bar filled wit the most beautiful and wealthy Korean women in the world. Most if not all the women here speak English (highly educated) and are world travelers so they don't mind looking for some strange. First night, I met a medical equipment wholesaler who had come there after a business meeting that rocked my world! She paid for everything...food, drinks, and the room. She even paid for the taxi to get me back to where I was staying! I was only there for a month, but I had similar experiences every weekend in that part of town. I asked the manager (I was hanging with him after my second weekedn) why the women were so nice to me and he said it was mostly curiosity. He said that some thought I was brave to come to that part of town at night alone, ! or the fact that I could speak Korean and others thought I was Nigerian mafia or something.
One thing...don't go there dressed like a GI. This place has $20.00 nachoes and a bottle of Johnny Walker blue label goes for $500. You will be spotted as a loser and none will talk to you if you look poor. Most GI' s can't afford this place and it is too far to get back to Yongsan on foot after you run out of money after a night of drinking. Wear a nice business suit or anything that looks like it was made by Armani and you will be in like Flint. If you are short of cash, sit at the bar, you might get picked up. Drinks are about what you pay anywhere else in Seoul.
Oh, by the way, some pretty high priced business women tend to hang out in here to so be careful of that, however, they tend to stay away from the foreigner's (bad for regular business). If you want to use your American pick up skills on an educated Asian women (there were a few Hong Kong Chinese and Malaysian women), they will work here!
Decided to hit Yongsan RDL today before work (smile) and met a nice girl (Jung hee?).
She was on a B Alley (forget the A girls) on the opposite side from the police station - 4th cubby hole in on the left from the motorcycle dealership (if you have been there, then you know the alley).
She was about 5ft (she had 6 inch shoes - figures) and a nice little tight body. Darker skinned for a Korean, but when she did the reverse cowboy - OMG - I was in heaven.
Price of 60,000 for a quick 25 minutes of pleasure. Got her business card and she quoted me 225,000W for an all nighter. A little on the steep side, but I might take her up on it as she was BBBJ, DATY and DFK during the session.
Ah, love Korea.
WW
So, I've been combing through some past posts concerning Yongsan RLD and I'd just like to clarify.
The glass houses will probably not accept foreigners or, does it depend on the mamasan or the girl?
But, many side alleys have girls working who will be willing to negotiate. A figure that recently came up was 60,000 for 25 minutes. That's not too bad (compared to Japan).
Moreover, what are the quality of the alley workers? I suppose it just depends on chance...one day, maybe a 10, the next, maybe a 4?
What are good times to go? I work afternoons to evening Monday through Friday. My mornings are open to make a journey. What about Saturday afternoons or Sunday afternoons?
Thanks for your help
bb
Went to the Hill last night (bored again) and picked up a little cutie at the Bridge club (older lady but nice and tight) with a name of Young Su? for 60,000W.
Session was OK, but I should have went back to Yongsan RDL and seen if that last little hottie I hit was working or not.
Oh, Well.
WW
To Wickedwillie,
Personally I don't think the B row chicks look that great and I've never really surveyed the B rows in yongsan. But however, I figure not all are that ugly. I'm sure some does look decent.
Having said that, 225,000won for an allnighter in seoul is an excellent price. I dunno, maybe the B row girls aren't getting much customers or something and I remember some other forum member once mentioning an allnighter for a decent price.
In 588, a 12 hour session cost around 1,200,000won and I think around 1,000,000 at YJG.
I don't know 225,000won will get you how many hours since I don't know what time your where there but to me, even if it's 4 or 5 hours, that's a pretty darn good price.
Trust me, that's not steep. It's a bargain.... :)
NY Yankees,
You are probably correct, on the RDL side - 225W is not bad - but you can find cheaper up on the hill for a true all nighter. I have found some really nice looking ones there for 180,000W from around 3am to noon.
WW
Stayed at the Grand Hyatt last week and didn't have a chnace to really go anywhere due to business. last night (saturday) before my flight to Singapore went down to the bar in the basement (forgot the name)at 1am based on some reports from a year ago to see if there weas osme action. Noticed a Korean Lady in her 30's (?) standing by herself sipping a drink. Kind of striking looking since she didn't look old, but had a streak colored into both sides of here hair that was either light blond, gray or some other light color. She started the conversation, got around to " I'll make you real happy" and we agreed on $150US.
Went up to my room (seperately since she was real paranoid), where the trouble started. She wanted more money, proceeded to tell me other giys were happily paying here 300 or 400. She alsow anted the money up front, which, (against better judgement) actually gave her and things got a little better. Covered BBBJ was o.k. and the one thing that made it not a total loss was her body. She must be working out hours a day since she didn't ahve an ounce of fat. Make a long story short, proceded through missionary, doggie style to her puling the cover offf and finishing me with her hand. Quick shower and she left.
All in all, not an experinece I'd like to repeat....
Heres a few experiences from a while ago, before I went to Philippines which was mind blowing:)
Went to that New York massage parlour at the start of Itaewon beside Pizza Hut. My advice is to avoid. She tried to get me to pay 170,000. Told her I had only 110,000 so she accepted as it was late. Asked for, and got, a girl with big tits. Shower first, and then she spent about 25 minutes cutting my nails!!I complained and pointed at the clock, but she waved me away...should have complained harder I suppose but was worried about what sort of service I would get. She then gave me a lame, rushed massage with her hands and tits. Then I went inside her and started really banging the shit out of her in retlaiation for her timewasting. She had bruises all over her waist and stomach adn looked pretty sickly..got a bit paranoid and pulled out and she finished with a handjob. She then asked for a tip! I laughed and walked out..take my advice..avoid, aprticularly if you got to pay 170,000
Also went to the In and Out massage club in Itaewon. It's on the hill past homo hill. walk up towards the mosque and it's on the right opposite 7-11. 50,000 for very good massage nas top class hj..bj available as well I think. Been there twice, both times young girls, can speak english and good service. It's my perfect Sunday afternoon hangover cure:)
Just curious how often you guys score with non pro's and where you find the best action is? My most successful haunts have been
Limelight/Helios/King club and Space bar...
Any other places I should know about? Whatabout hotel discos?
I also did quite well on ublove.com...meet once or twice, but make it obvious you are not after a friend, get suggestive on messenger and see how they respond. Also got 2 girls in one weekend that I met on yahoo chat. Never happened again though:(
I have tried something different with my trips to Seoul. Usually (in other cities) I would check out the non-pro action first, if I strike out I would then find a pro. Regardless, just have a one night stand and kick em out in the morning. Life is less complicated that way.
This time I picked up a girl (I was entering Gecko's, she was leaving) and kept up communication through e-mail after. I told her I have a live in girl friend and I can't make any promises and she seems to accept that (or doesn't mind helping a guy cheat on a Japanese girl!) In any case she stays with me everytime I go to Seoul and I'm getting some of the best sex of my life (she is good looking and awesome in bed).
Has anyone tried this semi-girl friend approach? I'm thinking of giving this a try in other cities.
MJ
Hi All,
Need some help!!. I will be layover at Seoul airport for 10 hours. I saw they have massage at the airport, can someone tell me if they provide FS or just massage. Is there a short time hotel that you can take shower and a little nap before the flight.
Thanks for the info,
San Dog
I visited Seoul for the first time in three years, last week. I stayed in Itaewon at the Hamilton. Note the sports massage in the hotel is not full service.
I walked up the hill, and noticed that nothing has changed there. I visited Kim from the Boston Club and she is still the same. I first dated her when she worked in the club across the street six years ago.
Phred
Sandog,
The massage at the airport is not a private massage where you get naked in a room, I believe you sit on a massage chair. It's an international airport, there is no way in hell they would allow full service there anyway. There is a transit hotel there you can sleep and take a shower in, they have hourly/quarter day and half day rates. But if you are in a frequent flyer and have lounge access, the lounges have sleeping rooms and showers. I always use them and take a quick nap there.
The action is available in the Sauna's in Inchon, there's a bunch of them that started up there. Unfortunately, you will have to be Korean to go there because of the language barrier to find the place. Also, I as mentioned before they won't usually take non-koreans if you go alone.
Been a long time for me to post here, was planning on leaving earlier but the departure was delayed. Not much mongering going on in my life but still check the board a few times.
Saw Phred's post that the sports massage at the Hamilton is not FS and needed to jump in. I've been there maybe 5 times and everytime is was FS. Never needed to push or suggest, happened just like every other sports massage/steam bath/turkey bath.
Now, the barbershop does not offer anything other than massage. Went there once by mistake, paid my 60,000 and got a pretty nice massage (standard spinning pole style). When she was done I asked if she was really done. She said yes. I said, you don't do anything else? She laughed and said not here.
Back to the sports massage, anyone got an update on the Dynasty? It was closed for awhile, I haven't been by. But I'd love to get one more (or more) trips in before I go
NY,
You really should check out the Yongsan RDL sometime for the B girls. If you look - and you must look - there are a few B+ & A- girls on those rows. If you go into the B row beside the Hyundai dealership and turn left - go to the next cross intersection and turn right - it takes you to A row, but this cross section has the B+ & A- girls. They are cute - if you catch them at the right time. Go there after 8pm and you will get turned down - they are waiting on the Korean guys.
But, if you get there between 4pm and 7pm you can usually get them to take you without a problem.
Now, I have been there when their Pimps are walking around and the girls I have seen before would not even wave - but those are the exceptions, more than the rules.
WW
Wow guys,
I am going to Seoul on a business trip in a week or so and will be staying there for about a week. I had posted for some info of where to find some female company. Thanks to those of you that responded it certainly is appreaciated. As I mentioned this is my first trip to Korea and I think I will will be staying at the Hyatt as someone suggested. However, I am not a cheap charlie BUT did I get your price quotes right??? Many of you are mentioning numbers in the range of 180,000 to 250,000 wans or $150 (USD) is this really right? Seems pretty high? Am I just not reading your posts right or?? Please enlighten me! If this really are the going rates perhaps I am better off heading to Manila or Bangkok for the weekend. Over to you boys.
LarryOne
LarryOne,
A short time, which would be about 20 minutes will be 70,000 Won, if you go to a RLD that takes foreigners, try 588, I think there was previous posts about Miari not taking foreigners anymore. A massage place might cost about 100,000 Won give or take.
Your best bet is going to Manila or Bangkok, besides being cheaper, the girls have a better attitude, espcially Manila since they speak English.
To wickedwillie,
Thanks for your info. Too bad I'm not in the country at this moment and will only be back in january.
I'm sure your notes will no doubt be very well used by other forum members. As for me, I am a kyopo and have never had problems before.
Even in 588 some of the B rows girls are not too bad looking but the ones I seen in yongsan weren't to my taste. But I am sure there are gems to be found everywhere and since it's been ages ago since I've been in yongsan, you might be right.
But for me personally, I think the 588 girls are prettier....
To Mookman,
glad to see you're back in the forum. Are you in seoul now?
NY,
Since I have never been out to 588, when you are back in town, drop a line and we can meet up and go over that way. Then you can show the Gringo (me) someplace different - haha!
WW
NY,
Here is a photo of one of the B+ row girls I got at Yongsan. She did not mind me getting a few pics, so long as her face did not show. She said her "brother" might see them on the internet by accident - made me chuckle - as if she knew they would get posted up.
She was a short time for 70,000W and I had her for about 30 minutes. DFK, DATY, BBBJ, CG, RCG, Mish and a Buk finish on the chin.....
Gotta love Korea.
WW
Regarding Yongsan RLD, can somebody distinguish what is A row girls and B row girls? There are two main roads filled with glass houses seperated by a crossstreet? are they both A row? and the b row girls are they in the side alleys? Can somebody clarify?
Kimchi Man,
The main street is about 20 feet wide and goes entirely through the RDL. It is the ONLY street with through traffic - the other side streets and alleys are where the B girls are located. The main street has a cross street (very large gap) about 60% of the way through it. One one side is 1 small side alley parallel to the main street, on the other side of that large gap are 2 smaller alleys that run parallel.
Your best bet to see the area is to go down in the morning time of any day (9 to 10am) since there is not much foot traffic. Just walk through all the alleys to get a layout of the place. If you are oriental - you have a shot at the girls on the main street (A+++ young and HOTTTTT) if not (like me) then you need to window shop the side streets looking for a great B+ or A- girl to spend time with.
These girls are hit or miss. Some really cute ones will DFK, BBBJ, DATY and drive you crazy - then some of the B, B- girls will just lay like a dead fish. When you find your favoriate (I have 3) those will be the girls you see on a regular basis with the occasional night of mongering to find some new fish.
WW
To kimchi man,
Whatever you explained is pretty much correct. The large long strip of road you've mentioned is considered A row. Whatever's at the back of it is considered B row.
To Wickedwillie,
nice photo btw, but her areola looks a little strange....
January is still far away, I'm sure you would have visited 588 by yourself by then :P
But honestly I think 588 is much more foreigner unfriendly than yongsan so even if I was to be with you, I don't know if I can be of much help. But doesn't hurt to try right? :)
Few months back in 588, I saw two american guys trying their luck in 588, this one A row girl along with her mamasan was negotiating prices with them. As the buyer didn't speak any korean and the seller didn't speak english, I intervened hoping I could help out in some way. As usual the girl wanted an outrageous sum of money and I told the guys I don't think any sex in 588 is worth that much...
Gave them advice to try their luck around the B rows, they thanked me but gave me a very suspicious look(maybe they thought I was some con/pimp....who could blame them? I too wouldn't trust any strange guy in a RLD who is overtly friendly and helpful....)
Saw them a while later, but I don't think they had any luck. These guys looked young(probably some rookie GIs...) and didn't seem to know what they were doing.... It was pretty obvious that they were new to these sort of things. They seemed pretty naive. If I can smell and sense their naivity, I'm sure these WLs have no trouble detecting their innocence from miles and miles... :)
Again, it might be worse now since the new "no foreigner" attitudes around RLDs. But it sure doesn't hurt to window shop and who knows... never say never....
NY,
So you like the photos but question the tatas? You should have seen those nips stand up when nibbled on - ah, a sight to see.
I have been in country a while now and the most venturing I have done is Yongsan RDL, the Hill and Finkle B.S. I do well in getting the chicks around Iteawon and picking them up off the net - but when bored - I like to try something new.
When I was here in the early 90's I use to hit the RDL outside Osan AFB. They actually had a few Fillipino ladies there back then - it was nice. Went there a month ago and could not find the place - is it still there - does anyone know?
WW
Went to Yongsan the other evening to look for the five-footer that WickedWillie had talked about, but was not able to see her. There really are not that many younger, short women to choose from. Where do all the 4.5 to 5 footers hang out?
Did notice that the girls were much more foreigner friendly. Maybe it was because it was right after work and I still had a suit on. It was very tempting because I had more choices than ever before. Almost took up with a girl with massive melons, but settled on a thin lady with nice face. I made sure that I could DATY first before paying.
I think Korean women love DATY. This is not the first time I’ve had a girl play dead bug – just lay on her back and throw her legs on the air waiting for me to dive in. I had asked for 30 minutes for 70,000 won, but was told 20 minutes. However, she enjoyed the licking so much it went 30 minutes.
All in all, a satisfying experience.
Hi Freeway :)
Thanks for posting the wonderful pictures.
A picture is always worth a thousand words. LOL :)
Damn they have such huge breasts!!!
I wonder why they call it "588". Is it the number of houses?
Or the area code? LOL HAHA
Freeway, are you Korean? Because in terms of service, both YJG and Miari ROCK!!! But YJG is too far away from Seoul. So I prefer Miari. You can walk around the district of Miari and find yourself a fine girl. The service at 588 suck.
For the foreigners who cannot get access to red light districts, trust me, you guys can score easily at Itaewon. Or if you are teaching English, hit on a few university students. :)
I will try and find more places that accept foreigners.
Take care.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hey Photoman,
Good for you for taking the plunge over there. If you did not get a chance to notice ALOT of the girls wear platform shoes anywhere from 6 to 12 inches tall with either pants or skirts to cover up their shoes. When I am looking for a really "short" girl, I always try to ask them to pull up their pants/skirt bottom so I can see how tall their shoes are.
Now, the best place I have found for the B+/A- girls there.
Go to the Hundayi dealership on the main street (there is only one) and when facing it from the main street you will see a small alley to the left of it. Go in here and turn left. You will pass a few cubicals of girls (mostly low B or high C) but at the next intersection, turn right. The next 3 or 4 cubicals on each side typically have the B+ / A- girls in them. Next time I visit my one cutie - I will get a copy of her business card (she refuses photos) and I will scan it and post it - that way our Korean speakers can call her and make an appointment - lol.
If there are no girls there, turn around and continue on down that same street you started on - about 4 or 5 cubicals down on the right is one that is hit or miss with accepting foreigners. Usually 4 or 5 cuties in the window, but depending on how slow they are and if their Pimp is around- depends on if they will tak you or not.
The other B rows have some OK C girls in them and for 60,000W I have had some of them take me for an hour or 2 pops, my choice, but I have only done that once or twice when I came across a chick that may not have had the best looking face, but had some nice tata's or something else that caught my eye.
WW
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This chick I picked up at the Limelight. Got her a little toasty, was thinking of taking her home when she looked me in the eye and asked me to %^&* her brains out.
Needless to say I did!
WW
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This chick I picked up on the hill for 120,000W from 7am to noon. Not bad for 5 hours.
WW
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This is another chick I picked up at Limelight on Ladies night. She was toasty with her friends and freaking out when the male dancers came out.
I got her on the dance floor, did a little dirty dancing, she kept rubbing her butt all over my crotch - took her to my place and oh, boy...
This one I kept her phone number.
WW
Here are a few photos of my mongering over the past couple of weekends.
This is another chick I picked up at Limelight on Ladies night. She was toasty with her friends and freaking out when the male dancers came out.
Another photo of this young lady.
WW
I have been here for well over a year now and have yet to see or hear about any dominant women. Surely there must be someone out there that provides the service. Do any of the Korean speakers on the board know? New World Order/Assetman?
Money not a problem, but despite the all round sexiness of Korean women I do miss a session with a dominant women.
Any info very very very appreciated....
Regarding 588, how do you know where and what is designated A row and B row? There is a narrow and wide entrance to the place, are they both A row? The quality seems the same. Are the best looking ones located near the entrances? I feel that as you look deeper, there are better looking ones. To me, every girl in 588 is an A quality. Has anybody been offered no time limit/ you can take as long as you want by these girls? Or is the time issue enforced heavily there? Is it up to the mamasan to decide or the girl?
There were a few instances where my willie wouldn't function, do you guys get your money back or is it part of the game as longas the 15 minutes are up?
To wicked wille,
You sure you got DFK, DATY, with these girls. Korean girls are very conservative being raised in a rigid conservative society like Korea. They feel kissing should be done with bf/gf or special moment and daty that is very rare. I encountered a girl whether I could daty and she considered it "dirty". A totally different ballgame folks. BD/SM is nonexistant in Korea.
To NWO
Do you say the service at 588 sucks? Not if you find the right girl, and I was wondering do you guys get DFK at yongsan/588, or do they heavily shunn it?
And for Miari, that when did that place come up with the no foreigners policy? Last time I checked it out which was this summer, foreignrs were being grabbed/pulled to get into their shops. without them, how are they going to make any profit there are hardly any Korean customers. i thought Miari was the most foreigner friendly out of all the rlds. Not to mention that place is so depressing, it like walking through an underground sewer / ghostown. I wonder why there are hardly any customers.
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Where is the 588?
I am staying at the Hyatt near Itiawan, is 588 a close cab drive away?
Any massage places near the Hyatt or the Hilton?
588 is about 25-30 minutes away from the Hyatt Hotel by cab. I regularly go to Seoul and from time to time, I go to 588 on a safari. I usually pay no more than 60,000 for 30 minutes. I prefer 588 over the Miari because the girls at the 588 is much prettier and there is no mamasan giving you bruises on your arms as they try to pull you in at Miari. Happy hunting!
Hi Paddy23 :)
I'm sorry but I do not know a dominant woman in Korea. :(
My guess would be Itaewon. Ask them that you will tip them more if they become a dominant woman for you. :)
Sorry I cannot help you.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hi Freeway :)
Nice picture taken! DAMN~~~ :)
Moonman posted "very specific" directions to Yong Ju Gol. Go to "Forum Search" and type in "YJG AND Directions".
YJG also has young and sexy girl who will f*ck your brains out. But it is located 40km northeast of Seoul. :(
It is a huge village. Around 150 houses. The best times to go are from 6pm until 10pm. Sunday through Thursday.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hi wickedwille :)
Nice pictures~~~ :)
Dude, you paid ONLY W120,000 (around $100) for five hours! That is cheaper than India!
I saw the picture of that girl. She has a great body. That is a bargain.
Sincerely,
New World Order
Hi kimchi man :)
I will lay out the difference between Miari and 588.
Miari: It became an off-limit area to foreigners about a month ago. The pimps wanted to have a better image for the Korean customers (which I think is a load of sh*t).
I have talked with the Korean girls and they told me that the Korean men are more impolite, smell like rotton god-knows, and some of them even sh*t, fart, or throw up while doing it.
For the "A" row girls, the odds of meeting a tall, hot, and sexy babe is 20%. Choose her. You will be guaranteed to do french kissing, DATY, etc.
But if you go to 588, there is no gaurantee that you may do DATY or french kissing with the girl. It's a 50/50 chance.
So that is why I prefer Miari.
Without a doubt, overall 588 has prettier girls. But overall, the service is not as good as Miari.
Sincerely,
New World Order
I'll be in Seoul for a long weekend and staying at the Ritz Carlton Kangnamgu.
It's my first time in Korea. Any suggestions for naughty nightlife in that area?
Thanks in advance.
In 588, the A rows are the all the mainstreets where the cars frequently go in and out.
You could say that the road where the cars drive in the opposite direction from Lotte Department (where the tunnel underpass is to the left) is the middle road and is the A+ row, and the street next to it, where the cars drive toward Lotte Dept. (the street is a lil more spacious) is like A- row.
Any shops where the grandma sits outside to grab you, or any alleyways far off in a corner where not many people walk back and forth, are considered B, or more commonly known as "semi-foreigner friendly" shops (I say semi because you can still be rejected from those). Also, if you're still not sure and want to figure out the difference between A and B? Simple. Just look at the lights in the rooms..the brighter and livelier the shop looks, the more likely it's A.
Rule of thumb for any new adventuring punters in 588 who aren't Korean like me: Expect to be rejected. I mean like ALOT. So don't be surprised or take it the wrong way. Maybe in B row, you'll have better chances but don't count on ANY A row girls, the mainstreet girls, to take you in. Unless you're Chinese or Japanese or look Korean, it's just not likely, especially with all the traffic and cars and other people in the streets around. The girls just won't look at you, and if you try to just force your way into the shop, the girl freaks out and the pimps come quickly around the corner. I've seen it happen a few times, and it looked pretty pitiful. Just try out whatever shops serve you, but don't be surprised by the amount of inhospitality.
Good Luck.
Kimichi,
Some girls will DFK - but you must catch them right. I have many so no to the DATY, but I have found the ones that will let you DATY usually will kiss too. I get around that by making sure that they "enjoy" themselves before I quit DATY, that usually makes them a little more aggressive and open. Not always, but greater than 50% chance of it.
Now the girls I have picked up in Iteawon. They are always GFE. Usually with a little prompting I get the DATY (some are shy) but one I get there - they love it.
WW
Oh, here is the photo that for what ever reason, did not load from the chick at the limelight.
WW
Freeway,
588 is a cool place ONLY if you're Korean or Japanese (and maybe Chinese).
So as YJG...YJG sometimes even restricts Chinese.
I haven't been to Miari in a while because I also agree that the place is a dump, so as Itaewon.
Hey guys,
Check out the "Indonesia" section.
Click on the "photo gallery".
Look up the pictures posted by Mr. John Aldrich. Mr. Aldrich is making me jealous! lol :)
Sincerely,
New World Order
Paddy,
I went out room saloning last night and asked my usual "madam," who has worked in every conceivable aspect of the business over the past 2 decades, if she's ever heard of any dominance providers.
Sorry to tell you that you're in all likelihood shit outta luck. Perhaps a few of the gals catering to our Japanese brothers have it their repertoire, but even then I'd venture to say that it's a remote chance.
AM
Hey guys, been a long time since I posted here but I'm back in Korea again for another year or so.
Anyway, I love hitting Itaewon looking for free trim and then usually hit the hill if I strike out.
Thing is, I hate trolling the nightclubs alone, so if any of you lads are interested in hitting the clubs with me or the Hill or Yongsan, drop me a line at: s_phrost@yahoo.com
I'm a mid twenties Canadian guy.
I went to a barber pole place, there were two ladies, offered massage price 60,,000 Won. It was a poor experience. The place is in the Namdaemum market area. I have tried the barber shop places in the past and was never satisfied, I will avoid in the future.
Later that day, Sunday evening I went to Itaewon, and walked up the hill, I was literally pulled in to several bars. They were offering hj for 50,000, bj for 100,000 and fs for 150,000. I returned later that evening, found a very attractive lady who was not as pushy as the others, final negotiated prices were hj 40,000
bj 70,000 and fs 100,000 won.
Johntodd,
If you wanted a good bang for the buck - you should have hit Fantasy. You can get FS for 60-70,000W. It is non rushed and the lady (while a little older) is still very nice looking and knows what she is doing.
WW
This is a pic of one of my A row girls that works at Yongsan RDL. She works on an alley between A row and B row.
Looks like an A to me and she treats me well for 80,000W.
She was not GFE my first few visits, but after the 4th visit, she was DATY, DFK, BBBJTC and all the mustard.
WW
Went to YJG with my GyoPo buddy the other day. I may have said this before, but I just want to repeat -- I really don't like going to YJG because there aren't that many shops that will accept foreigners, and the ones that do aren't to my taste (all pretty much overweight and nasty), plus it is so far away that it just seems like a pure waste of time going there and just coming back empty, yet I was bored enough to go with my friend.
When I went, I found out that there are some new rules and regulations that are going on in that place, mainly concerning foreigners..Now I'm not sure if YJG is catching the same trend that Miari did, but there seems to be this new rule that it is now ILLEGAL for girls to accept foreigners other than Japanese or Chinese men..well, this is pretty funny, considering the fact that YJG girls never accepted Non-East Asian customers in the first place.. I guess they just HAD to make it an 'official' rule now.
Anyway, I'm not sure if it's an actual rule or if it is some kind of 'underground law' that the pimps/mamasans/local gangs are now enforcing over there, but one of the girls basically told my friend that if any girl gets caught letting a Non-Asian foreigner inside, the girl will get in some serious trouble..I'm not sure hopw valid this is, but one thing I did notice was that there are now quite a number of groups of Korean men huddling and hanging out around certain corners of the place. Are they enforcers or gangs or pimps?
One funny thing I also heard about YJG: For the people who've been there, ever notice the strange incense smell that seems to be all over the place? I found out that that incense fragrance is used to ward off the ghosts and evil spirits in that area. I was told that there were a lot of people who died in that entire area, and they burn the incense to calm or soothe the ghosts. Seems they are pretty superstitious about that stuff.. nevertheless, it's still some pretty freaky stuff to think about.
Probably going to get a brief stop in Seoul soon. Is there anything a few notches above (prettier girls) or even equal to a SF AMP which is reliable and easily found? I won't have a lot of time to learn the city or to troll around. How about just a western style strip club with stunning women; that'd be fine too. Not looking for bargains, just to play while I am off the grid.
I liked that one picture of the Limelite girl, WickeWillie. My intuition says she was actually a non-pro, unlike the 'hos Freeway was posting. She was decent looking, as well.
I haven't posted here in a while, but glad to see certain posters are gone. I would like to ahve more a conversation about non-pros. So let's all start posting info / suggestions / strategies about meeting non-pros in Seoul. Especially be intersted in hearing of palces outside of Itaewan, Hyatt, Hilton etc.
Currently in Seoul and staying at the Grand Hyatt as other posters suggested. There are some very nice looking ladies that hang out around the hotel bar. However, they don't seem to do any advances so it is a little bit hard to differentiate of who is on the clock or not. Advise?
Last night I went down up Hooker Hill. It was early in the evening and hence not so many ladies haggling me. I found one georgeous girl that I fucked upstairs on the bar premises (I was the only customer at this time). Her performance was very good with a nice tight lubed up pussy. I made the mistake of telling her that it was my first time in Korea and asked how much services were going to cost me (I wanted to know what situation that I was going to be in). Of course she asked me if I know how things worked on HH and I said vaugely that I kind of knew (mistake?). Anyway, she started at 200,000 won to which I laughed but as she already had my cock in her hand (and it was getting hard) it was not the best situation to negotiate. We settled on 100,000 for fuck and bj. I thought it was a little bit high. Oh by the way I also bought her three drinks. I think I most definitely over paid quite a bit. Suggestions?
Are there any fishbowl style MPs in this town???? Need some directions here. How do I get to 588?
LarryOne
Yeah, the drinks are the real scam on the hill. I take it you paid the discount price of 20,000 each? So in actuality your fuck cost you 160,000 because those girls usually just drink a shot glass of water. Very rarely in my experience is it ever the "korean wine" they claim it is.
Getting a little tired of the hill actually, because last time I was there it was 4:30am and was still getting high-balled. Girl wanted 100,000 for a BBBJ + drinks and just kept whining and complaining when I said I wouldn't pay more than 60k, which is still too much. Finally she agreed to give me a "special discount" then asked me how long I would take. Which pissed me off even more, because its not like she had a line of customers waiting, there wasn't anyone else around, all the girls on the strip were begging for customers, she's lucky I chose her. Anyway, after 10 minutes she's like, "You take too long.. you want me to keep going?" And I'm like, "Hell yeah, till I'm done." So she did. Anyway, the only bright side is that BBBJ was excellent and the girl was pretty hot, compared to the rest of the gargoyles that usually patrol the hill.
I actually saw an extremely hot girl working at... crap.. its the first bar on the right going up the hill, right before Ambrosia. Name escapes me at the moment. Anyway, she had a really tight body, nice tits and a those tortoise shell glasses. Would have picked her but spotted her as I was finished with the other girl.
To LarryOne: No fishbowls MP's that I know of and unless you're asian you shouldn't bother with 588. Go to Yongsan. Directions are easier too. Just get off at Yongsan station or Sinyongsan station and walk around, you can't miss the glass houses.
To: Seoulblade,
Sorry you are not accepted in YJG, but for other travellers, this is the best place. FS, about 150,000W from most prettest young girls in Korea, over 300 girls to choose from. It's a heaven compare with places like Hooker Hill where you meet trans-genders or women over 40 age.
About the incense smell, warding off gosts / evil spirits:
If you ever know the whole YJG is just next to a small lake & smell probably comes form there.
And if you ever go to clubs in Asia (China, HK, Thai, Philipin, Sing, Malaysia, Indonesia), actually in all places (nite club, sauna, karaok..etc) you can find tiny area specially made to worship some ancient gods/ masters/whatever you call. They are doing this to pray for good business. Just like people in Asia goes to temples to pray for their good luck. It's nothing special/ scarely. you can ask your friends.
Don't bad-mouthing a place unnecessarily.
Mingman
Assetman
thanks for the help..seems as if I will have to go to Japan to get my deviant kicks:(
Just seems strange that in a country this size with a sex industry this size, there are no domination specialists...
Also was walking through hannam dong and the "Asian" side of Itaewon this evening and saw a lot of japanese/chinese clubs..
Anyone have any info on these? one club was called silk right near the pedestrian bridge at the edge of Hannam dong by the motorway towards Kangnam....
any info appreciated:)
Hey Freeway,
Those pictures you took were great, got anymore?
PM me if you do.
Thanks
Freeway:
those are some nice pictures you got there, I assume you got them off some websites, can you tell us the websites or how you got them. I fou have any more can you post them.
Mingman,
I'm sorry but you're quite mistaken. I never badmouthed YJG. That place has some great looking girls, but those pretty girls will only go for Korean men, not for the foreign traveler. If you're a foreigner but are not Asian (Chinese or Japanese), you'll only get girls in the dead alleys who are overweight and nasty. And now that this new restriction policy against non-asians is going on over there, it's even worse. Let's be real here. You can spew all you want about how good that place is and how the service is and how the girls are pretty, but let's face it: YJG is for Koreans and is a heaven for Koreans only.
The gripe that I have is: I usually have no problem catching girls regularly in clubs and I am always told that I am very good looking, but when I have to follow my Korean friends to places like these, I get the short end of the stick, so to speak. That's why I don't like to go there anymore.
This isn't about racism, this isn't about complaining. I'm not trying to sound like another complainer in this forum, but the truth is the truth, and I'm just telling it like it is. Don't waste your time going there if you're not Asian.
It's been awhile since I've posted. The Hill in Itaewon has become a real freak show with all the trannies on it, and I don't mean the kind of tranny in your car, either. I mean the kind that you will find at "Madrid", "Trans Rose", and "Ambrosia". (although Mindy at Ambrosia is cool) I hope that you're all aware of this. I also got some photos to post that will knock your socks off. Later