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It took me some time to realise that the BKK thread is new. Some more adventures. Soi Cowboy is an interesting place. My first stop was Long gun. There was a show going on with girls shooting dildos out of their pussies. Then balloons were placed and the girls burst them using darts. I didn't realise at once how it was done and kept looking around and asking myself, "Who is this git who's bursting these balloons? ' Then I realised. Marvellous what a pussy can do these days.
My second port of call was Living Dolls. And wowo aren't they just. I settled down for a drink, smiled at this lovely Isaan girl. In no time she sat next to me and we were chatting. Lovely character, lovely smile, a wee chubby but a solid looking body, built to last. In no time I dar fined her (600B) andf took her long time (2000B). Money definitely spent well. She was awesome and we had a rocking good time. In the morning I bought her breakfast, chatted some more and parted.
Killing Time: That same day I decided to change city. I wanted to try some place new. I booked a ticket to Chiang Mai by train. I heeded my agent's advice and set off early, BKK being new to me. BTS and metro took me to the train station in no time at all. I was early and so had a stroll. By chance I hit upon Cleopatra. I entered, looked at my watch to see whewther I had time. Just about. I choose my girl (there are three levels-1000B, 1200B, 1500B) and proceeded to go to the room. The room was clean and ok by me. Problem was that she couldn't speak English. We had great sex even though the conversation was lost in translation.
CONS: this was a real quickie. In normal circumstances I wouls taken a longer time.
PROS: I felt clean, comfortable and suitably drained before a 14hr train journey.
Cheers and take care
Taka
Next stop. ChiangMai
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I'm visiting BKK in a few weeks and looking for places that compare to Cafe Foto in Sao Paulo or Blacks in Buenos Aires. Does anyone have pointers? How about other outlets for model quality ladies?
Thanks.
I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=FlyJets]I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Just spent a night in Hua Hin and there are several bars with plenty of girls in the Th Punsuk area. Not as Pattaya and BKK, much smaller. Just walk around in the evening, impossible to miss. The quality though is not always too good (like in Pattaya and BKK). But you can find some good ones, and it is buyers market. Just sat down in one of the smaller ones and a took a nice one who offerd LT for 1500B+300 BF. You may get it for 1000 if you bargin. But was well worth it.
Will post more about it when I get time.
With all the recent talk about Eden. I decided I would post my recent visit last Saturday.
I arrived at Eden about 2:30PM, even before entering the club I noticed women outside that were much more the 5 - 6 sixes in my book. So I went in quite happy about the selection already. The Mamasan asked if I had been here but before I replied no, but have been there once before. She gave me the menu and explained everything. A line up was called, but I did not see some of the women I saw out side, maybe it was because I did not wait long enough or just chose to quickly. I chose Ying and she chose Bips or something like that. They led me to some of the newer/remodel rooms which were quite a change from my last visit. I won’t bore anyone with details, but the girls will make sure YOU are completely satisfied! Even after my session, I saw different women come and go that I would not have a problem being seen in any type of environment.
Make no mistake about Eden. You will get and attractive woman that will satisfy you completely! Eden is not a hit or miss. You want it? Most likely you will get it there. Unlike the girl I took out from Rainbow 4, that just wanted to lay there. Next time I may have to try the take out service.
[QUOTE=FlyJets]I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Hua Hin Sucks, Big Time
[QUOTE=Rodmanj]With all the recent talk about Eden. I decided I would post my recent visit last Saturday.
I arrived at Eden about 2:30PM, even before entering the club I noticed women outside that were much more the 5 - 6 sixes in my book. So I went in quite happy about the selection already. The Mamasan asked if I had been here but before I replied no, but have been there once before. She gave me the menu and explained everything. A line up was called, but I did not see some of the women I saw out side, maybe it was because I did not wait long enough or just chose to quickly. I chose Ying and she chose Bips or something like that. They led me to some of the newer/remodel rooms which were quite a change from my last visit. I won’t bore anyone with details, but the girls will make sure YOU are completely satisfied! Even after my session, I saw different women come and go that I would not have a problem being seen in any type of environment.
Make no mistake about Eden. You will get and attractive woman that will satisfy you completely! Eden is not a hit or miss. You want it? Most likely you will get it there. Unlike the girl I took out from Rainbow 4, that just wanted to lay there. Next time I may have to try the take out service.[/QUOTE]
What time does Edens open
Looks like all the 2007 posts before 9-1-07 are now in the 2006 Bangkok reports. FYI
[QUOTE=FlyJets]I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
FlyJets,
Use the search function and select display as reports. The correct spelling is Hua Hin and you will find some reports. Not a lot, but there are some.
AT2
[quote=thailearner]what time does edens open[/quote]
it officially opens at 1.00 p.m., but the girls start arriving at about 12.30 p.m. and there are usually a few punters in place by 12.45 p.m., ready to select their ladies. for the largest possible choice, get there at 12.45 p.m. but even that is no guarantee you'll get to see every lady. the regular cutomers will often come in at 12.30 p.m. and say, "i'll take bo and peep as soon as they arrive." they know which ladies they want in advance and don't care about seeing a line up. so you may not get the chance to see bo and peep because they are already busy. like any establishment, the girls deemed most attractive are the first to go.
that i believe is one of the sources of the conflicting reports and opinions about the appearance of the eden ladies. some visitors to eden, because of timing and bad luck, never got the opportunity to see the eden "a" team.
[quote=rodmanj]with all the recent talk about eden. i decided i would post my recent visit last saturday.
a line up was called, but i did not see some of the women i saw out side, maybe it was because i did not wait long enough or just chose to quickly. .[/quote]
the most likely explanation is that they had been booked in advance and were awaiting the arrival of a customer. another possibility is that were eden girls on their days off who'd dropped by for a few minutes to chat with friends. or maybe they didn't work at eden, but were friends or relatives of girls who do.
good report and i'm glad you enjoyed your eden session.
evil
[QUOTE=FlyJets]I have tried many places to find an answer on the issue. just a simple finger point will surfice. Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Well you didn't try very hard then.
Below is what took me 2 minutes to find with the Search option:
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[quote=evil penivel]it officially opens at 1.00 p.m., but the girls start arriving at about 12.30 p.m. and there are usually a few punters in place by 12.45 p.m., ready to select their ladies. for the largest possible choice, get there at 12.45 p.m. but even that is no guarantee you'll get to see every lady. the regular cutomers will often come in at 12.30 p.m. and say, "i'll take bo and peep as soon as they arrive." they know which ladies they want in advance and don't care about seeing a line up. so you may not get the chance to see bo and peep because they are already busy. like any establishment, the girls deemed most attractive are the first to go.
that i believe is one of the sources of the conflicting reports and opinions about the appearance of the eden ladies. some visitors to eden, because of timing and bad luck, never got the opportunity to see the eden "a" team.
the most likely explanation is that they had been booked in advance and were awaiting the arrival of a customer. another possibility is that were eden girls on their days off who'd dropped by for a few minutes to chat with friends. or maybe they didn't work at eden, but were friends or relatives of girls who do.
good report and i'm glad you enjoyed your eden session.
evil[/quote]
thanks for that, i have been before and like quite a few of the girls in the line up. will be back on my next visit.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel] Some visitors to Eden, because of timing and bad luck, never got the opportunity to see the Eden "A" team.
Evil[/QUOTE]
Can someone pls provide us with any photo, JUST ONE, of this elusive 'A' team that I am so missing out on.
I thought we all agreed on the Fight Thread that the girls at Eden would not be considered 'stunners'. Noone is doubting their service.
Why do we still have to hear of this fantasy 'A' team that would stop all the mongerers in the past from leaving the place in the past?
There is no 'A' team so stop this bullshit. It is only 'A' in the sense it is one step above JUNK!! (those in financial mkts would understand the joke)
*And pls don't correct me by saying its 2 steps above junk. I know that, but the joke works better as 1 step.
Hit Soi Cowboy last Wednesday and it's still rocking. Not much new, although Apache's new layout means less chance of a grope and more ladies drinks. Rawhide and Long Gun are still good although the crowds make it bit hard to get a seat and some attention.
The biggies Shark, Baccarra and so on have good selection semi nudity and a wholesome Macdonald's version of what I really like. Suzie Wongs have this ridiculous stick on pasty thinkg for the girls. They are cute alright and welcoming and the sitkcy thingks just annoy me. SpiceGirls looked worth a visit and I'll be back, have to love the almost school uniforms they sort of wear.
What I like is on-site grope both ways and a bit of contact fun. It is available at Toy, Cactus and of course Afterskool. Moonshine was the lucky winner on the night. One really lost looking off-the-bus Issan really caught my eye. Shy, not much English and a smile which lit the room, no wonder they call it the Land of Smiles. Well we start some sort of communication and up comes Miss Experience, she's cute and pretty so let's go the double. It's all touching and feeling. The shy one kisses like GFE in make-up sex and the pretty one is so wet she's almost dripping onto the floor. Tequila shots from four tits, now that's what I call fun. My dick is getting as much attention as their tits, mouths, pussies and arse. I am in heaven.
Anyone have any ideas for this anywhere else in Bangkok?
They have their own room upstairs 700B with bar fine. Shy girl wants 1000B, Pretty won't budge on 1500B. Stupid me gets all high and might and settles for Shy Girl only, after all she is the better kisser. The rest is pretty standard and a lot of fun.
Keep Rootin 'n' Reportin
LTB
Hello! what happened to the rest of the posts in bangkok thread? There are not many posts for 2007 as there where for '06 and '05.
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I am sitting here down the street from the Nana and its 4am, so here are my last of my ramblings regarding my first trip to Thailand
Did the rounds when I returned from Pattaya this morning, beer bars, go-go's, etc. Because I am on overload with the music/noise, wound up at the Golden Bar just outside the Nana Hotel. Picked a cutie out of the parking lot at about 1am and had a great 1 hour session. I am back on the street. Just can't sleep knowing I will be flying out in a few hours.
Stopped and checked out the Club Eden. It was not anything special with respect to the available line-up. What may have had something to do with my deciding to pass was the earlier post about "warts."
Do all Thai girls pick their noses in public? Just an odd observation. I saw so many of them picking their noses in public. They would then, in full view of everyone else, dispose of the contents in the most ingenious ways (I told you this would be my last ramblings).
Thank you Jackson!
Billpsu, Nosepicking is the national past time. Look around and you'll see some men that have normal fingernails, except for one extremely long pinky nail. They use them for nose picking and ear cleaning.
Does Bangkok have any place like girls in an aquarium which we can choose the girls for LT? I am not referring to MPs but something similar to the ones in Hatyai where we can go in and scan and book the girls for LT instead of picking them up at bars. Hate those girl drinks and bar fines.
[QUOTE=Notidik]Does Bangkok have any place like girls in an aquarium which we can choose the girls for LT? I am not referring to MPs but something similar to the ones in Hatyai where we can go in and scan and book the girls for LT instead of picking them up at bars. Hate those girl drinks and bar fines.[/QUOTE]Good question. I have never heard of this type of setting Before.
You can always go to a MP (soapy with Fishbowl) and buy the girl out for the night, I am sure they will accept (prepare for a hefty fee then).
I would still suggest to have a drink with the girl at your table once she joins you from the Fishbowl, just to see if you 2 get along fine, that way you minimize the risk of a starfish.
You might want to try also the Very upsace gentlemen's club like Champagne.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Can someone pls provide us with any photo, JUST ONE, of this elusive 'A' team that I am so missing out on.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. [URl=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182]Pla and Wa of Eden Club[/URL]
You can find more at
[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023]Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports[/URl]
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. [URl=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182]Pla and Wa of Eden Club[/URL]
You can find more at
[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023]Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports[/URl]
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil[/QUOTE]
Both are very nice in my book do you have pictures of any others?
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. [URl=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182]Pla and Wa of Eden Club[/URL]
You can find more at
[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023]Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports[/URl]
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil[/QUOTE]
I would take Wa and Pla any day over the hundreds of others whose pictures are posted here. They ARE good lookin'.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. [URl=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182]Pla and Wa of Eden Club[/URL]
You can find more at
[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023]Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports[/URl]
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil[/QUOTE]Evil,
Great, these would definitely make my team. A, B who cares, these look very nice and obviously have attitude to go with it.
Guys, it's OK not to like Eden. Keeps the crowds down. To each his own -- remember "own" can be plural too!
Slim
I've just had a look at the ladies available through escort agencies in Bangkok. Such as 'BKK141' and 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort'. And I was a little stunned by how attractive some of these ladies are.
Nicha at BKK141 is a real beauty and apparently she does anal too. Which is a real surprise considering the fact that most women less attractive than she is don't spread their asses for the guys.
Jane at BKK141 is another beauty I'd probably fall in love with as soon as she walks in through the door. And apparently she is pretty good in bed too according to the ratings she received from her customers.
Aum at 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort' is another beauty I'd love to be with.
These ladies certainly cost a lot more than the regular massage ladies. But just for the one time experience with a real beauty who is good in bed, I certainly would be willing to shell out some money.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]I'm talking about Eden's A team, i.e., the five or six best looking ladies at Eden. I have posted pictures of two of them in the Fight Thread. I never claimed they are stunners in everyone's book, but they are certainly attractive. [URl=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=639468&postcount=182]Pla and Wa of Eden Club[/URL]
You can find more at
[URL=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=628732&postcount=4023]Post #4023, Bangkok 2006 Reports[/URl]
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil[/QUOTE]
I think Wa and Pla will be very much in demand...
When I visited last year, I got one girl whose name was something like "bee". Do you know her.? She was a wonderful smiling little doll, with nice narural mid size breasts anda very soft clkear skin, and a smile to make a monk jerk.
I woild have LT her if I had time..
Just curious to know if she is still there, in anticipatuion of my next visit.
And, BTW, just ignore all those grumpy jealous guys who always criticize and never contrbbute...
If you live in Thailand you can't help but to pick your nose! Outside of the cities those little flies that come all over you that go into your nose, ear, mouth, eye, etc.. they drive you crazy! Some joke and call them ding dong flies.
I myself have become a good nose picker, when they go in you got to deal with it right there and then no manner who see it.
LBM
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
Now, HK Dog, back at you. How about you post a photo of one of your stunners? Let;s see JUST ONE photo of a lady on your A team.
Evil[/QUOTE]
Why, so you can whack off to it? I know the quality I am fucking and if you don't believe that there are some of us who can do so so much better than those 2 girls (who are a 5 and 6.5 in my book being generous) then you are a sad man.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Why, so you can whack off to it? I know the quality I am fucking and if you don't believe that there are some of us who can do so so much better than those 2 girls (who are a 5 and 6.5 in my book being generous) then you are a sad man.[/QUOTE]HK Dog, So what the fuck are you doing in this forum if you do not want to share.
And as for your life being my fantasy, I dont think so. Every post you write, makes it all the more clear that you are the real sad one!!
Fuck Off!!!
Sid
I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.
Can you find any false statements I made that need corrected? If not, take your foul mouth off this thread.
You need to read the Bkk Escorts thread where escorts have been discussed in detail. Don't be surprised if the girls on those sites don't even work there and if they do, they not provide the services being advertised like anal. The bait and switch technique is a popular one with escort services. As many others have said before, if there is ever a place where a regular Joe/Bloke don't need escorts services it is in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Dan7373]I've just had a look at the ladies available through escort agencies in Bangkok. Such as 'BKK141' and 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort'. And I was a little stunned by how attractive some of these ladies are.
Nicha at BKK141 is a real beauty and apparently she does anal too. Which is a real surprise considering the fact that most women less attractive than she is don't spread their asses for the guys.
Jane at BKK141 is another beauty I'd probably fall in love with as soon as she walks in through the door. And apparently she is pretty good in bed too according to the ratings she received from her customers.
Aum at 'Oh Yes Massage & Escort' is another beauty I'd love to be with.
These ladies certainly cost a lot more than the regular massage ladies. But just for the one time experience with a real beauty who is good in bed, I certainly would be willing to shell out some money.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.[/QUOTE]In all the time I have been reading this forum, I cannot honestly say I have came across a single post by a reader who has gone to Eden club expecting to find stunning 3 holer lesbians yet left disspointed. There are just as many honest opinons from readers who think Eden girls are ugly, as there are from those who go for the service they offer.
If you want to save the world, go and plant a tree or something.
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]In all the time I have been reading this forum, I cannot honestly say I have came across a single post by a reader who has gone to Eden club expecting to find stunning 3 holer lesbians yet left disspointed. There are just as many honest opinons from readers who think Eden girls are ugly, as there are from those who go for the service they offer.
If you want to save the world, go and plant a tree or something.[/QUOTE]
Look if I come on this site and tell people Rainbow 1 has an 'A' team that most punters won't see due to bad timing or luck, would you be happy with that?
That is fine about the readers going to Eden and enjoying themselves at Eden, but they always pounce on someone saying anything negative even if its a true statement.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]Why, so you can whack off to it? [/QUOTE]
No, so we can all see what they look like. But I understand it would be difficult for you to take photos of imaginary sex partners, just like you can't name the imaginary places you find them.
But I do indeed believe your life is a dream. I just hope you wake up from it one day.
Evil
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.
Can you find any false statements I made that need corrected? If not, take your foul mouth off this thread.[/QUOTE]
HK Dog,
Sorry, but if you really want to provide a service to the readers, then this should be the recommendation. It's generally agreed that Eden provides good service. It is not a drinking bar and you will be asked to make a decision once the lineup appears. It is for those who enjoy the two girl experience. It is generally recommended that you pick a girl and let her choose the 2nd girl. You do not need to follow this suggestion. You can pick both girls if you want. It is clear that the greatest debate is in the looks department. Stick your head in the door, see the lineup, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! Everyone has different tastes. You can walk out if you don't find anything you like. Not a problem. The place is right off Sukhumvit. You are not losing much by taking a look.
If you were saying that a place had stunners, but they are a ripoff joint, then I can understand a warning. The "problem" is hidden and you are then doing the reader a favor. This is clearly not the case here. The "issue" is clearly visible here and therefore is not a problem.
Please .. let's move on. I'm sorry, but if your goal is to discourage people from going, you are doing the complete opposite. You have done the equivalent of saturating the airwaves with one commercial after another for the place. I'm not big on the place, but I saw for my own eyes and sampled the goods. I left satisfied, but rarely make it a place to go. Not my thing.
AT2
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]I am providing a service to those readers who are misled by false statements by certain individuals such as a mysterious 'A' team that most people will not have access to.
Can you find any false statements I made that need corrected? If not, take your foul mouth off this thread.[/QUOTE]HK Dog,
Unless you can recommend YOUR fav places where class A stunners are easily available and who are willing to provide similar services (names of places, names of girls and whatnots in Bangkok), then I think it's best that you just quietly fade, fade fade away and leave this forum. I don't see why you persist. If you have not realise it by now, perhaps I can drop a very gentle hint to you that you are pushing the agenda higher and higher with every post.
Jeremy
I made a commnet about Club Eden a few posts back, at that time it was 4am and my head was spinning.
Here is a dispassionate appraisal of what I found:
First, why are the girls always eating? I went there at around 3pm and there were approximately 5 or 6 gals outside eating. Went inside and all the girls were sitting in various spots eating. I felt I was intruding so I apologized and said I would come back later.
Returned about 2 hours later and - guess what - it was a replay of the 1st visit, i.e., everyone was eating. This time I walked around to get a good look at the girls. I don't see anything special about their line-up. You could go around the corner to Nana Entertainment Center and see better looking women, who are also open to negotiation with respect to your wants.
I then Left, I was hungry from watching all the girls eat.
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]HK Dog,
Sorry, but if you really want to provide a service to the readers, then this should be the recommendation. It's generally agreed that Eden provides good service. It is not a drinking bar and you will be asked to make a decision once the lineup appears. It is for those who enjoy the two girl experience. It is generally recommended that you pick a girl and let her choose the 2nd girl. You do not need to follow this suggestion. You can pick both girls if you want. It is clear that the greatest debate is in the looks department. Stick your head in the door, see the lineup, and JUDGE FOR YOURSELF! Everyone has different tastes. You can walk out if you don't find anything you like. Not a problem. The place is right off Sukhumvit. You are not losing much by taking a look.
If you were saying that a place had stunners, but they are a ripoff joint, then I can understand a warning. The "problem" is hidden and you are then doing the reader a favor. This is clearly not the case here. The "issue" is clearly visible here and therefore is not a problem.
Please .. let's move on. I'm sorry, but if your goal is to discourage people from going, you are doing the complete opposite. You have done the equivalent of saturating the airwaves with one commercial after another for the place. I'm not big on the place, but I saw for my own eyes and sampled the goods. I left satisfied, but rarely make it a place to go. Not my thing.
AT2[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Billpsu]
First, why are the girls always eating? [/QUOTE]
I would guess it is because they are hungry. They burn a lot of calories in the sessions with customers!
Evil
Read through several threads and could still use some advice.
I'll be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks.
I'm kind of a low key and don't like the raunchier places, although have had pleasurable times at one FKK in Germany.
Staying at Peninsula and would enjoy some elegant company overlooking the river. It seems that the escort services are a crap shoot as far as bait and switch? Any advice on this front is much appreciated. I'll only be in town for 30 hours.
I don't mind the $$ for the looks department and it seems that Poseidon and Caesar's, Utopia have the model types, but I am wondering if there are any other upscale, reliable places wise ones would recommend. Although I arrive on a Saturday AM, I might not be able to get out and explore till later in the evening, although call-in could be possible during the day.
I like the sound of Sazanka's re it's warm professionalism, although could do without the walk on the back. Any other very nice massage places one can be pampered in a genteel atmosphere?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Jeremy]HK Dog,
Unless you can recommend YOUR fav places where class A stunners are easily available and who are willing to provide similar services (names of places, names of girls and whatnots in Bangkok), then I think it's best that you just quietly fade, fade fade away and leave this forum. I don't see why you persist. If you have not realise it by now, perhaps I can drop a very gentle hint to you that you are pushing the agenda higher and higher with every post.
Jeremy[/QUOTE]
I was almost going to post the photos yest but stopped myself. These girls are now married or are running sucessful business' in their home country. No need to potentially ruin their lives to prove a point.
The bottom line is this. If you believe the photos that Evil posted are the best one can do in getting girls to give you an 'Eden experience' from Thailand, then all I can say is boy you haven't experienced LOS.
The stunners (over 8 in my book) usually start out in the general working girl population but not for very long. They figure it out in under 2 months they are worth alot more and usually some moron 'takes' them off the market quickly. Then they realize they can do better than that moron and really move into high gear. You will never ever find these girls working in a place like Eden. If they did then they have the IQ of a overipe mango.
My best double was a few years back from a bisexual girl I know who brought her friend over.She often brought back hotties for me to tag team. Both girls were getting paid 3-5K HKD from punters in HK on individual basis where the average girl gets 1K, but I got a very special rate since we knew each other for a while. That night was truly a Playboy/Penthouse dream come true.
[QUOTE=Billpsu] why are the girls always eating? [/QUOTE]
Yo Billpsu,
Evil probably has it right about needing the after session snack.
You've probably noticed as well that Thais in general eat all the time. Left to their own devices, with time and the money they'd probably have a meal every hour. The Eden girls have the time and money.
Cheers,
Sean
PS, Glad to see that you've had a good trip.
My experience is that Thailands best working girls (8.5+) never work in Thailand. They are practicing their art offshore and when back in LOS they can be seen out with their friends partying but never working. They can be spotted all around town in the 'proper' disco's such a Q Bar, Bed and the late night rave clubs such as Tunnel.
You will also see them in Phuket but again they are usually on 'vacation' and will only hookup with their old customers from offshore that they meet up with at offshore prices if man is desperate enough.
You may say a pussy is a pussy and not worth the extra charge. I wholeheartedly disagree with that.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]My experience is that Thailands best working girls (8.5+) never work in Thailand. They are practicing their art offshore and when back in LOS they can be seen out with their friends partying but never working. They can be spotted all around town in the 'proper' disco's such a Q Bar, Bed and the late night rave clubs such as Tunnel.
You will also see them in Phuket but again they are usually on 'vacation' and will only hookup with their old customers from offshore that they meet up with at offshore prices if man is desperate enough.
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[/QUOTE]Hk Dog,
I had the same impression when I came to Asia 10 years ago. There is this group of internationally working professionals. You find them in Orchard Towers in Singapore, Wanchai bars in Hongkong, Banana/Tiger in Phuket and Spasso / CM2 etc. in Bangkok. Some stunners amongst them, good English, and some of them really understand the business and deliver good service to attract customers to return. Some. Very few.
To expect from them services which can be compared to the service level Eden provides - hmm. May be 1 out of 100 . Moneywise - they are expensive! Usually you cannot find those stunners in massage places, and you cannot expect services you can receive in massage places from those stunners. Of course there are some exceptions.
Today I know that you can find the stunners her in Bangkok, in various places, most likely NOT in massage parlours. Some of the work in Japanese Karaokes, because the Japanese customers pay well. Then the high-end mens clubs (Pegasus etc.). Some freelance in the mentioned high-end discos. And you find some stunners in the hostess bars of Soi 33.
You can find them everywhere, and there are much more of them here in Bangkok than those few professionals which are travelling all over Asia.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]
To expect from them services which can be compared to the service level Eden provides - hmm. May be 1 out of 100 .
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I'll give you this one in that they never offered to shove a dildo up my ass but that is one I can pass on. The high end girls give mediocre to good service the first time around. They are like fine wine though. The more they age with you (# of times) the more they really open up. I have been offered anal by quite a few who claim it would be there first time and they 'want to try', after I know them quite a bit.
Of course, stunners are not the only girls I've been with. I can only estimate how many girls I've been with in Asia. Its a number greater than 1,000 and about par with my buddies.
If I am in the mood for just pure service, I don't mind getting a 6 or 7 from a girl like Darlings etc. However if I am hunting, my natural instinct is to go for the best pickings. If you are going to pay for it why not go for the best?
[QUOTE=Billpsu]I made a commnet about Club Eden a few posts back, at that time it was 4am and my head was spinning.
Here is a dispassionate appraisal of what I found:
First, why are the girls always eating? I went there at around 3pm and there were approximately 5 or 6 gals outside eating. Went inside and all the girls were sitting in various spots eating. I felt I was intruding so I apologized and said I would come back later.
Returned about 2 hours later and - guess what - it was a replay of the 1st visit, i.e., everyone was eating. This time I walked around to get a good look at the girls. I don't see anything special about their line-up. You could go around the corner to Nana Entertainment Center and see better looking women, who are also open to negotiation with respect to your wants.
I then Left, I was hungry from watching all the girls eat.[/QUOTE]
Billpsu,
I would be the first to agree. The lineup is not anything special. They are known for their service. That's why I suggest that if you have any questions, just look. If you feel they meet your tastes, great. If not, just walk away.
AT2
[QUOTE=Ubique]Read through several threads and could still use some advice.
I'll be in BKK for the first time in a few weeks.
I'm kind of a low key and don't like the raunchier places, although have had pleasurable times at one FKK in Germany.
Staying at Peninsula and would enjoy some elegant company overlooking the river. It seems that the escort services are a crap shoot as far as bait and switch? Any advice on this front is much appreciated. I'll only be in town for 30 hours.
I don't mind the $$ for the looks department and it seems that Poseidon and Caesar's, Utopia have the model types, but I am wondering if there are any other upscale, reliable places wise ones would recommend. Although I arrive on a Saturday AM, I might not be able to get out and explore till later in the evening, although call-in could be possible during the day.
I like the sound of Sazanka's re it's warm professionalism, although could do without the walk on the back. Any other very nice massage places one can be pampered in a genteel atmosphere?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Try the Soi 33 bars or Pegasus. You may find something that meets your needs there, in terms of company. You can also find many freelancers in all of the nightclubs at all of the high end hotels (Hyatt, Conrad, etc.) or bars like Bed Supper Club. Go to places where guys with money hangout and the girls will be there.
The one drawback to Sazanka, is that the place is a bit of a dive.
AT2
[QUOTE=Ubique]Staying at Peninsula and would enjoy some elegant company overlooking the river. It seems that the escort services are a crap shoot as far as bait and switch? Any advice on this front is much appreciated. I'll only be in town for 30 hours.
[/QUOTE]
If $$'s aren't an issue and you don't want raunchy, then you should find more than what you are looking for at CM2 Disco (under Novotel in Siam Square). It gets going after 11:30 pm though until 2am. Spazzo's is another place (Grand Hyatt hotel) as is the Disco in the Conrad.
You may also find some top talent at Q Bar (Sukemvit Soi 11) but you may find the superhot girls there may not be working that night and just hanging out with their sugardaddy money. You will find something nice but you might have to work with it for a while.
Pegasus (and other similiar clubs) offer more 'refined' women than the go go's or massage but I find them a bit chunkier than for my taste. They appeal to the Japanese/Taiwanese spenders so you will also find ligher skinned Thai's there.
You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]<cut>
You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.[/QUOTE]
Agree that Nana has some cuties, but they will be dressed in Jeans or worse when they leave with you. If his intent is a nice dinner at a high end restaurant, then it may not quite work. If he intends to eat at the Nana Coffee shop, then by all means hit NEP.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Agree that Nana has some cuties, but they will be dressed in Jeans or worse when they leave with you. If his intent is a nice dinner at a high end restaurant, then it may not quite work. If he intends to eat at the Nana Coffee shop, then by all means hit NEP.
AT2[/QUOTE]
Nana Disco gets going after 11pm so I don't think a candlelight dinner is on the cards.
I always wondered who in their right mind who ever ever go with the girls who hang out in the bar just outside the Disco entrance. But there is a market for everything I suppose.
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Many thanks Hk Dog & AsiaTraveler2. Appreciate your assistance. I'm partial to the trim, healthy looking, darker skinned type myself, but a genuine laugh, joi'de vivre, and the ability to interact override my preference types. Of course it's all about the chemistry, as it takes two to tango. Unless you are Steve Martin or Martin Short.
Thanks again.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]If $$'s aren't an issue and you don't want raunchy, then you should find more than what you are looking for at CM2 Disco (under Novotel in Siam Square). It gets going after 11:30 pm though until 2am. Spazzo's is another place (Grand Hyatt hotel) as is the Disco in the Conrad.
You may also find some top talent at Q Bar (Sukemvit Soi 11) but you may find the superhot girls there may not be working that night and just hanging out with their sugardaddy money. You will find something nice but you might have to work with it for a while.
Pegasus (and other similiar clubs) offer more 'refined' women than the go go's or massage but I find them a bit chunkier than for my taste. They appeal to the Japanese/Taiwanese spenders so you will also find ligher skinned Thai's there.
You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.[/QUOTE]Hk Dog,
Yes, if $$'s aren't an issue - you MUST visit ... Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd ... haeehhhh, what BULLSHIT do I write here? Me stupid farang, sorry, mai pen rai :) !!!
Pegasus Club is in a way somehow similar sometimes as everybody knows for sure like - Nana Disco. What I want to say is: It does not matter whether you go to Nana Disco or Pegasus. Same same [but different][[but don't tell anybody!!!]].
Such a nonsense.
Giotto
Had a short stop over in Bangkok on my way to the Persian Gulf. First night took some Soi Cowboy talent. One 19 the other 25. Both spoke no English whatsoever. We did the whole shower thing then got down to business.
There was no porno type lesbian action but they both were great. They just shied away while I pounded the other. The 19 year old needs a few more months on the job as her pussy was vice grip tight. The other with the great lips her pussy was fantastic. She made me stroke her deeper every time she gasped for air. I went back to the bar to find her the next night but to no avail.."She holiday" as they put it.
So I had to settle for something else a 25 year old known as Dar with incredible thighs. I am a sucker for a lady with big thighs. She was far from beautiful but those legs I never wanted to come from between them. After about 4 sessions with Dar she left the next morning promising me she would be back in the afternoon.
Around 3pm she showed up and we went straight at it again. No more money was paid to the sweet thing. She did receive a wet pussy and a dip in my Jacuzzi. I promised her I would come get her after she left but Nana plaza called out to me.
Next night found a college girl who hooked on the side. Her English was flawless. She was a little devil in bed and out of it. She talked a little too much and was insanely jealous. I then fucked her friend after she offered. A nice 3 days...
Take it sleazy
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[QUOTE=Giotto]Hk Dog,
Pegasus Club is in a way somehow similar sometimes as everybody knows for sure like - Nana Disco. What I want to say is: It does not matter whether you go to Nana Disco or Pegasus. Same same [but different][[but don't tell anybody!!!]].
Such a nonsense.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
What are you talking about? Pegagus is nothing like Angel's (Nana Disco). Yes you can get laid in both places, but that's where the compairson ends.
RA
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Giotto,
What are you talking about? Pegagus is nothing like Angel's (Nana Disco). Yes you can get laid in both places, but that's where the compairson ends.
RA[/QUOTE]RA,
LOL, thanks, that was btw. exactly what i wanted to say.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]If $$'s aren't an issue and you don't want raunchy, then you should find more than what you are looking for at CM2 Disco (under Novotel in Siam Square). It gets going after 11:30 pm though until 2am. Spazzo's is another place (Grand Hyatt hotel) as is the Disco in the Conrad.
[/QUOTE]
Spazzo's is a great place if you don't mind spending the money. If I remember correctly, beers are about 300 THB ++ and mixed drinks about twice that. Girls are going to ask 4,000 min., but you might get by for 3K. I like Sunday night when the band isn't playing, it isn't so crowded, and you can actually talk to the girl without yelling. I have met some nice, refined ladies in Sapzzo's on Sunday who are normal housewives trying to pick up a few extra bucks.
RA
[QUOTE=Billpsu]Do all Thai girls pick their noses in public? Just an odd observation. I saw so many of them picking their noses in public. They would then, in full view of everyone else, dispose of the contents in the most ingenious ways (I told you this would be my last ramblings).[/QUOTE]Only in BKK. This is why i always do an oral inspection first. If it is not up to snuff, then cums the class in hygene, e.g. floss. My fee for this course is 50% of the costs, unless the laydee exhibits exceptional horizontal talent.
[QUOTE=Billpsu]Originally Posted by Billpsu
Do all Thai girls pick their noses in public? Just an odd observation. I saw so many of them picking their noses in public. They would then, in full view of everyone else, dispose of the contents in the most ingenious ways (I told you this would be my last ramblings).
[/QUOTE]
Bill,
Thai customs are different to western countries. Picking the nose is not considered quite as badly in Thailand. However blowing the nose in public is considered much worse if it makes a disgusting noise.
You are conditioning to find nose picking bad, but not everyone is.
I am more turned off more by finger up the bum then by finger up the nose.
:-)
The Thais (and myself) find the stench of bad body odour very hard to deal with.
What I am saying really is that different people and different cultures are irritated by different things.
I never seen so many Arabs around Bangkok before. Have any of you hounds got lucky with any Arab bunnies in Bangkok?
[QUOTE=Giotto]Hk Dog,
Yes, if $$'s aren't an issue - you MUST visit ... Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd ... haeehhhh, what BULLSHIT do I write here? Me stupid farang, sorry, mai pen rai :) !!!
Pegasus Club is in a way somehow similar sometimes as everybody knows for sure like - Nana Disco. What I want to say is: It does not matter whether you go to Nana Disco or Pegasus. Same same [but different][[but don't tell anybody!!!]].
Such a nonsense.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I will assume you were having a bad day. When did I say 'MUST'? The guy wanted a non raunchy BKK experience and everything I gave him fit that criteria.
What exactly is your issue with my comments?
[QUOTE=Harold444]Normal houswives don't go to Spazzos to turn tricks.[/QUOTE]
I met an absolute stunner there about 7 yrs ago who was in the process of separating from her Thai husband. She worked in insurance sales during the day.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]I met an absolute stunner there about 7 yrs ago who was in the process of separating from her Thai husband. She worked in insurance sales during the day.[/QUOTE]I just wonder if she uses the same line with different potential customers every night. Maybe I'll go check out Spazzo then, it's been a while since I was there.
Last time I was there, I had a few girls dancing with me, bought them drinks and they all had very interesting stories. Ended up with one of them for the night and she only charged me 2000 (but I must have spent about 5 to 6k in drinks for the 4 of us)
The lady was good but Far from the best I've had.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]I met an absolute stunner there about 7 yrs ago who was in the process of separating from her Thai husband. She worked in insurance sales during the day.[/QUOTE]Excellent. I met a nice,very attractive lady working at Robinson Dept.store on Sukhumvit. She was going through divorce with her husband too.I just happened to be there buying a phone.
You never know what will be if you smile alot.
[QUOTE=Rider7]Excellent. I met a nice,very attractive lady working at Robinson Dept.store on Sukhumvit. She was going through divorce with her husband too.I just happened to be there buying a phone.
You never know what will be if you smile alot.[/QUOTE]
I got to know her quite well, she even visited me in HK twice. Its a bit of a funny story. She seperated from her husband since he was cheating on her in a non subtle way. She was a bit chubby she told me during this period. She then moved out and went to the gym religiously for 6 mths and got a tit job. The next time her husband saw her was at the divorce court hearing. He was stunned and asked not to have the divorce and she laughed and told him Sign it!
The last few times I've stepped into Spasso's it hasn't been up to par from years back. In fact some of the ladys are probably cemented on their bar stools for 5 yrs!
[QUOTE=Giotto]Hk Dog,
I had the same impression when I came to Asia 10 years ago. There is this group of internationally working professionals. You find them in Orchard Towers in Singapore, Wanchai bars in Hongkong, Banana/Tiger in Phuket and Spasso / CM2 etc. in Bangkok. Some stunners amongst them, good English, and some of them really understand the business and deliver good service to attract customers to return. Some. Very few.
To expect from them services which can be compared to the service level Eden provides - hmm. May be 1 out of 100 . Moneywise - they are expensive! Usually you cannot find those stunners in massage places, and you cannot expect services you can receive in massage places from those stunners. Of course there are some exceptions.
Today I know that you can find the stunners her in Bangkok, in various places, most likely NOT in massage parlours. Some of the work in Japanese Karaokes, because the Japanese customers pay well. Then the high-end mens clubs (Pegasus etc.). Some freelance in the mentioned high-end discos. And you find some stunners in the hostess bars of Soi 33.
You can find them everywhere, and there are much more of them here in Bangkok than those few professionals which are travelling all over Asia.
Giotto[/QUOTE]I am suprised that no one mentioned about the Siam Coffee Shop, at Siam hotel. This is thai place and my exp. , over years the girls beat the NEP, SCB or PP hand down. This is typical thai pick place. I came to know only after a few yrs visitng BKK thru BKK contacts wrking in the company. Specially the last week of month you come across all type of working women. You need to know a thai as 99. 9% canot utter a word of english.
I picked up women who come on cars. To work on last week of month just to cover there expenses or pay of the car lease. You need to exp, thai pick up place they stand no where to foreign visting joints.
Cheers
I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated
[QUOTE=Longhorn2000] Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? [/QUOTE]
It is a bad time to visit LOS. It's the peak of the high season, with many hotels full of European families on holiday. Even the straight-up monger hotels are at capacity thanks to the long vacation breaks possible for many Europeans by stringing together public holidays and whatever vacation days they have left over for the year. A lot of these guys are young, in LOS for the first time, drink too much and can easily cause trouble.
So expect to pay the highest prices of the year for hotels. The girls will also be charging peak prices because of high demand for their services. No problem in finding girls, you just have to pay more because there's more competition for the cuties.
I understand you not wanting to spend the Christmas season alone, but just about any holiday destination in Asia will be as bad around Christmas/NY. It's not that you'll have a bad time, but you have to pay more for a good time, no matter where. Religion doesn't have too much to do with it - it's simply the economics of high season and peak demand.
Actually, PI after Christmas can be a good time because all the girls are broke. But indeed, most will go home to their villages for the holidays, so the trick is to catch them on their return.
Evil
What Evil outlines is true. This is a busy period, no doubt about that.
But I think that in your situation, the trip would be welcome. Prices are not that high if you read the forum properly and know where to go, if you boof your hotel room in advance the price will be cheap.
There will be plenty of ladies for you to choose from. Just book your tickets and enjoy! It will surely beat the USA.
Thanks to everyone for all the info I could find here about hotels & girls. It's a true gold mine. Pity it's so time consuming to read 500 pages +
I have gone to NEP to Soi Cowboy, to Eden, to Poseidon and to Darling MP.
NEP is overcrowded and there are many lady boys beware newbies
Eden I would agree with previous post, good service for sure but second rate line up in terms of looks.
Poseidon building is so impressive, I think I was very unlucky because the girl sucked big time. I left after the massage as it was such a big flop. I read there are VIPs floor at Poseidon how to go there? I went there are like 5PM, I climbed the stairs, and was simply asked to pick from the fishbowl. The girl the old fatty papasan recommanded SUCKED I'm still fubar that I gave him a 500 baths tip for this crappy recommandation.
Darling has good girls, so it was a pleasant soapy time. Btw is it possible to break those girls routine and bring them home?
However I would like to say that I'm missing European style escorts. I mean its not fair to compare a 1500 baths girl with a 1500 euro girl for the overnight. But in europe you can find raffined escorts, girls who are delivering something sensual, girls who are pleasant to invite to dinner because they've been around, they are educated. I mean the average russian escort in London at 200£ per hour can speak about many many topics. And in Europe you can find girls who are gratuated who are part time escorting to add some revenue for the Prada bills!
In Thailand I felt that most girls don't speak good english, can't hold a good conversation. OK they provide sex, but let's see, in a long overnight I can have 2 hours of sex, then what to do during the remaing time?
I tried to ask some of those girls very specific questions about thai culture, thai history from middle age to modern days. How did Siam became Thailand etc. None of the girls could answer: (
In europe you have a wider range of prostitution between a street walker at 50E, a low level EE escort at 200 EUROS, mid range escorts at 3-400 euros, and elite escorts from most vip agencies like Venus Escorts or similiar at 2500 euro overnight.
In Thailand what else can you get except 1000 bath ST or 1500-2000 baths LT. I have not identified the place in BKK where I can find girls corresponding to this niche I'm looking for.
Oh well I'm still here for another two weeks, hopefully I'll find a place with providers fitting the description mentionned above.
[QUOTE=Longhorn2000]I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated[/QUOTE]
You could go to Costa Rica, Columbia, or Brazil.
[QUOTE=Longhorn2000]I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated[/QUOTE]I have spent probably 7 Xmas/NewYears in Thailand and it is a blast. I usually spend it in Phuket (was there during Tsunami at Xmas 2004!) but Pattaya is just as good. Bangkok will probably be ok also.
well, lbm finally arrived back home the other day. arrived at 11:05am in the gate and since i was near the front i was able to get out quick. did my quick walk to immigration and had my bags and was in taxi by 11:30am to hotel nana which i arrived a little after noon. (damage 350 baht with toll and tip)
checked into hotel, quick shower and was out the door to do some business across town by 12:45. the location i was seeking took me much longer than i anticipated and ended up walking in the hot sun for a few miles. that really kick my ass!
after the business, took a motorbike taxi back to the nana area, got my usual haircut on sukhumvit near soi 7, call august salon and i have to say this time there were lots of great looking girls inside! being a leg man i couldn't keep my eyes off the girls walking back and forth. thereafter went to sanzuka to relax. selected tomo which i had nearly a year ago, she did a great job of washing and cleaning me up from my long trip. i have to say she gives a great shampoo to the head. better than paying for it at august salon. back upstair she gave me a great hot towel treatment and a light oil massage. when it was time for the happy ending this time i wanted to know if the place does offer fs, and althought i didn't partake, certainly if the price is right she would have given it up! several times she quoted me " big money " as i finger her and removed her bra! in the end i got a bjcim.
now spent, i left for my 1 hour foot massage (soi 4) as i noted the walking kick my ass and i slept through most of it but got a good shoulder and neck massage with my foot massage. now i was going back to soi 8, corner to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] to get my 2 hour thai massage, i was so tired slept through most of that but woke up in time for a great back massage, very strong which is the way i like it.
by this time it was slightly pass 11pm and decided to head back to get a bite to eat at the bus stop. after eating my final destination was going to be the nana disco. the guy at the door saw my room key in hand and said i could go in without paying the door fee (400baht) which was new to me! the disco wasn't very crowded but as it got near 12:30 more and more it started to fill up and being somewhat picky i stood near the door and started my hunt. i decided to break the choices to 3 catagories. now remember every man trash is another man treasures but i don't think my standards are too far off from others! 1. stunners (9-10) 2. above average (7-8) 3. average (5-6) now this particular visit i can't remember seeing so many stunners. in my eyes i counted at less 20 that fell into this catagory. as it got closer to 01:30 i noticed the changes in many stunners that didn't seem to dance much or smile during the evening was now dancing more and smiling more. even a average guy like myself just standing near the door for nearly 2 hours many smiled at me when they went out to the bathroom, i sense i could just about have anyone i wanted. my decision was do i want a stunner that might end up being a starfish, above average that might surpise me with good looks and great sex, or the basic average that i know from my experience is going to fuck my brains off and top it off with a great massage. in the end i saw one that was in her late 20's great body with a fantastic face ( very natural ) with a nice rack. brought her and her friend a drink and decided that one was enough and took her to the room. spent 4 hours with her and had the time of my life for just a few hours. great few hours in bangkok before heading home to pattaya!
lbm
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]It is a bad time to visit LOS. It's the peak of the high season, with many hotels full of European families on holiday. <cut>
I understand you not wanting to spend the Christmas season alone, but just about any holiday destination in Asia will be as bad around Christmas/NY. It's not that you'll have a bad time, but you have to pay more for a good time, no matter where. Religion doesn't have too much to do with it - it's simply the economics of high season and peak demand.
Evil[/QUOTE]
While I agree with some of what you said, given his feelings, I think he will have a good time. You can have a good time that time of year, a bit more expensive for Thailand, but alot less expensive than back home.
I say get on that plane and shag your blues away my friend!
AT2
[QUOTE=Leo2000]I am suprised that no one mentioned about the Siam Coffee Shop, at Siam hotel. This is thai place and my exp. , over years the girls beat the NEP, SCB or PP hand down. This is typical thai pick place. I came to know only after a few yrs visitng BKK thru BKK contacts wrking in the company. Specially the last week of month you come across all type of working women. You need to know a thai as 99. 9% canot utter a word of english.
I picked up women who come on cars. To work on last week of month just to cover there expenses or pay of the car lease. You need to exp, thai pick up place they stand no where to foreign visting joints.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Leo2000,
The Siam Coffee shop was discussed in length a few weeks ago. Yes, good place for a pickup, but don't expect much conversation if you don't speak Thai. I don't think the girls are much better than Nana, and the action starts late. Usually after midnight.
AT2
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]<cut>In Thailand I felt that most girls don't speak good english, can't hold a good conversation. OK they provide sex, but let's see, in a long overnight I can have 2 hours of sex, then what to do during the remaing time? <cut>
In Thailand what else can you get except 1000 bath ST or 1500-2000 baths LT. I have not identified the place in BKK where I can find girls corresponding to this niche I'm looking for.[/QUOTE]Yes, you are a newbie, and a very good one at that!
There is a whole thread dedicated to escorts where I am sure you will be able to find what you are looking for.
Bangkok has very expensive escorts available, just go to any concierge of 5 star hotels and they will find exactly what you are looking for.
What do you expect? you will obviously not find the girl you are talking about in the streets or in regular middle range bars (although some girls have a good level of English).
If you are also ok with Foreign Escorts, there are Russian girls available in Bkk, and some really good looking ones! read the Forum, search for Russians and you'll find exactly what you seek.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]In Thailand I felt that most girls don't speak good english, can't hold a good conversation. OK they provide sex, but let's see, in a long overnight I can have 2 hours of sex, then what to do during the remaing time?
.[/QUOTE]
If you want girls that could speak English pretty well then head over to CM2 Disco or Spasso's. Alot have been overseas so have a decent command of the English language.
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]
However I would like to say that I'm missing European style escorts. I mean its not fair to compare a 1500 baths girl with a 1500 euro girl for the overnight. [/QUOTE]
I understand completely, but how many of us can afford 1500 euros, that is why we travel half way round the world.
You should be able to find affordable girls in CM2, Russian and Thai.
[QUOTE=Longhorn2000]........and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday.
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated[/QUOTE]If you are not really particular about hotels, Xmas and NY would be a great period to visit, but be there 1/2 days earlier.I say this because on Xmas eve, there's always a great street party-like atmosphere along the whole of Soi Cowboy. Ther are FREE buffets and BBQs placed outside of many bars where anyone can partake in. Every joint is lit up with coloured lights and decorated with hundreds of balloons giving the place a great festive spirit. Most of the ladies working in the row are dressed either in red or white or both, many with party hats.
There's even a S C, a farang whom I understand is a resident of BKK, who appears every XMAS eve without fail, passing out chocolates to everyone that's around every hour on the dot from 8 pm.
And when the clock strikes 12, ........., I guess you know the drill.
" Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? [/QUOTE]I don't see this at all, and I've been a visitor for the past 5 xmas seasons, at least.
Just come for the exp., you'll not regret it, esp if you are lonely.
Jeremy
[QUOTE=Escort Fan]
However I would like to say that I'm missing European style escorts. I mean its not fair to compare a 1500 baths girl with a 1500 euro girl for the overnight. But in europe you can find raffined escorts, girls who are delivering something sensual, girls who are pleasant to invite to dinner because they've been around, they are educated. I mean the average russian escort in London at 200£ per hour can speak about many many topics. And in Europe you can find girls who are gratuated who are part time escorting to add some revenue for the Prada bills!
In Thailand what else can you get except 1000 bath ST or 1500-2000 baths LT. I have not identified the place in BKK where I can find girls corresponding to this niche I'm looking for.
Oh well I'm still here for another two weeks, hopefully I'll find a place with providers fitting the description mentionned above.[/QUOTE]
Try some of the escort services and also the sideliners at some of the MP. For instance, at Long Beach MP (next to Ramada on Rama IX), I met a couple of hot looking sideliners (part time models) who spoke decent English, very well dressed and more than happy to take your euro's :)
A couple of them often go with client to Bali and other asian destinations. Talk with the pappasan since money is not an issue for you.
I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.
[QUOTE=Dallim93]I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.[/QUOTE]
I can tell its your first trip to Thailand. Prostitutes in Asia are NOT what you imaging them to be in the West which is crack heads hanging out in dark alleys off the sides of roads getting into cars.
The beauty of Thailand is that you can find a stunner in almost any category of prostitution if you spend enough time there.
If English speaking is a high priority and cost isn't an issue then read the last few pages which disclose many places.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Yes, you are a newbie, and a very good one at that!
There is a whole thread dedicated to escorts where I am sure you will be able to find what you are looking for.
Bangkok has very expensive escorts available, just go to any concierge of 5 star hotels and they will find exactly what you are looking for.
What do you expect? you will obviously not find the girl you are talking about in the streets or in regular middle range bars (although some girls have a good level of English).
If you are also ok with Foreign Escorts, there are Russian girls available in Bkk, and some really good looking ones! read the Forum, search for Russians and you'll find exactly what you seek.
Cheers[/QUOTE]I like to always go for local girls! So i won't search for Russians in BKK, besides I like asian girls i'm met excellent asian ladies in europe & Japan.
I have indeed noticed there is an escort section but most of those agency seems very amateur (at least their web is) and it seems to be street girls at 1500 baths rebaged with a 4 or 5000 price tag by BKK 141 or other agencies rather than Playboy thailand or Cosopolitan girls looking for extra income :)
[QUOTE=Dallim93]I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.[/QUOTE]
Dallim93,
LOL! Bangkok is nothing like the road kill road hookers you find in the states or other westernized countries. You can travel up and down Sukhumvit, Ratchadapisek, etc. and find lot's of 7's and 8's. I'm a strict grader, and don't give out 9's and 10's generally, and the road kill road hookers would grade between 1 and 3.
Go to the Super Soapies, Go-Go Bars, Coyote Clubs, Gentlemens Clubs, Night Clubs and you will find what you are looking for. Of course, that's provided you like Asian woman.
AT2
[QUOTE=Dallim93]I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. [/QUOTE]
I have been to Bangkok 14 times and never seen a "10" in the P4P industry, maybe I have been going to the wrong places ----I am not a lover of soapies by the way.
[QUOTE=Jeremy]If you are not really particular about hotels, Xmas and NY would be a great period to visit, but be there 1/2 days earlier.I say this because on Xmas eve, there's always a great street party-like atmosphere along the whole of Soi Cowboy. Ther are FREE buffets and BBQs placed outside of many bars where anyone can partake in. Every joint is lit up with coloured lights and decorated with hundreds of balloons giving the place a great festive spirit. Most of the ladies working in the row are dressed either in red or white or both, many with party hats.
There's even a S C, a farang whom I understand is a resident of BKK, who appears every XMAS eve without fail, passing out chocolates to everyone that's around every hour on the dot from 8 pm.
And when the clock strikes 12, ........., I guess you know the drill.
" Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? "I don't see this at all, and I've been a visitor for the past 5 xmas seasons, at least.
Just come for the exp., you'll not regret it, esp if you are lonely.
Jeremy[/QUOTE]
The streets of Bangkok do get a little quie around New Year but it won't stop me. I'll be arriving on Dec 26 and staying first 2 weeks of Jan.
Not all P4P girls go up country at New Year so all will be well.
Find a hot one for a multi-day booking can be a nice option too but
I have my Thai GF to keep me in check.
Hi guys,
First time poster here. I am heading to Bangkok for a short stay. Staying at the Davis Hotel (88 Sukhumvit 24). Since I am not familiar with Bangkok's geography, transportation, etc. I was hoping someone could recommend some nice massage parlours near the hotel, or if not, ways of getting to nice massage parlours.
Requirements:
- I would like to try a soapy massage
- Preferably somewhere that offers nice GFE and 2 shots
- Not absolutely necessary, but any place that offers BBBJ and CIM would be nice.
- not too expensive
Thanks in advance.
Japentii
[QUOTE=Dallim93]I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.[/QUOTE]
I'll probably get a little disagreement (maybe some flames) on this, but things are getting a little quiet anyway. So, if $$s are not an issue:
Try Patpong. I know, I know, it is totally cliched and full of tourists, but also, in a way it is the major leagues. I say this because I had not been there for some time and decided to check out some old haunts.
Some of the smaller places, like for example the Safari, are still by passed by the tourists and I found a real nice selection. I guess with the high bar fines and higher prices, it still attracts some of the best.
I took one home and was not disappointed.
Now you can all start to flame me, but I would say if you have not been for a while go back and check it out. I had a very nice experience. More on this later when I have some time.
[QUOTE=Dallim93]I am taking my first trip to Bangkok. can anyone share with me where is the best place to go to pick-up 10s and 9s. I just can't get it up for the road hookers. Where do the more model like classy chicks hang out? l dont mind spending a little more to get what I need.
I really appreciate anyone's help.[/QUOTE]
The closest you are going to get in the P4P arena is the Pegagus.
Q Bar and Narcissus have their share, but unless you are young, look like Tom Cruise, have plenty of $$$ and like to play head games you aren't going to get very far.
[QUOTE=Longhorn2000]I know this will probably draw a barrage of RTFF responses, but here goes. Recently divorced, and also dumped at the same time by married Filipina mistress who caused the divorce in the first place, and can't stand the thought of spending the Christmas/New Years holidays here in the USA Alone. Thinking of flying out on Christmas Day to either BKK or MNL for a 3 week holiday. Never been to LOS during the Christmas holidays (last visits were 03-04 and 01-05). Is this a bad time to visit BKK and/otr Pattaya? Is the selction of ladies much less than usual? Given that LOS is not a Christian nation, per se, I would hope that it wouldn't make as much difference as in the Phils. Anyone been to BKK or Pattaya during this time period? What was your experience like? Harder than usual to find good talent?
Another idea might be Muslim Indonesia.
Comments appreciated[/QUOTE]
When is it not a good to visit Thailand?
[quote=japentii]hi guys,
first time poster here. i am heading to bangkok for a short stay. staying at the davis hotel (88 sukhumvit 24). since i am not familiar with bangkok's geography, transportation, etc. i was hoping someone could recommend some nice massage parlours near the hotel, or if not, ways of getting to nice massage parlours.
requirements:
- i would like to try a soapy massage
- preferably somewhere that offers nice gfe and 2 shots
- not absolutely necessary, but any place that offers bbbj and cim would be nice.
- not too expensive
thanks in advance.
japentii[/quote]
you should try edens on soi 7 and also [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]
Went to Bangkok recently and tried some new things. I have stayed with one lady lately and this was our third trip together, I have not paid her since the first night together, but of course I pay indirectly and it is more expensive then just paying a BF and such, but she’s a good kid and is my tour guide, maid, cook, just everything. So this trip I had to go down to Chonburi and visit a place called ES-TA-TE. It is a tent camp inside khaokeaw zoo. A quick ride down there from BKK but you are out of the city which I enjoy. The tents have air conditioning and a refrigerator so it isn’t like it’s roughing it. The bathrooms are clean and nice. For staying there the food is large and delicious and you get your meals and such, as well as a day safari and a night safari. The next day you can do whate6ver you want, walk around or rent bikes or ATV or whatever. We woke up the one morning with deer and monkey’s right outside our place. Very nice. But more importantly, I had to go and I decided to take this lady along and it turns out that she really had a blast, she said it was one of her most favorite things she’s done. And making her happy, she went out of her way to make me happy.
[url]http://www.estateresort.com/?lang=en[/url]
Another thing we did was on advice of a poster here, we went to Siam Niramit. I enjoyed the show very much and would recommend it to anyone, if you are with a girl or a wife or whatever, it was nice. I liked the little village you can walk around in before the show and would recommend going early. The lady and I had a great evening together and of course she’s never even heard of it, it’s only a year and a half old. But she really enjoyed it, and as such, I got good enjoyment from it afterwards.
[url]www.siamniramit.com[/url]
Another item we ended up doing was going on Loy Nava dinner cruise. This was nice, they picked us up at the hotel and we board a small rice barge, only about 12 tables, very intimate and private, not like a large disco / dance type barge that are on the river. This evening dinner was very intimate. The meal was very good but it was more of something that the girl would not have done normally.
[url]http://www.loynava.com/[/url]
Obviously I would not make reservations and take any old BG with me, but if you find one you like and enjoy time with, I’d recommend either of the three above for a change of pace.
Japentii,
See my comments in BKK MP thread.
I don't want to cross-post.
Archie
[QUOTE=Retired Army]The closest you are going to get in the P4P arena is the Pegagus.
[/QUOTE]
Here's the Web site of [URL=http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html] Pegasus [/URL].
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
I went there as a guest of Asian business associates. The experience was again proof that there's no universal concept of beauty and standards vary considerably from culture to culture, not to mention among individuals. I could see very little difference between the PR girls, sideliners and models, but to my hosts (from Taiwan) it was crystal clear. One of them summed it up this way: "Of course the models are prettier, they cost more."
Evil
Well stated EP. I couldn't agree more with your outstanding commentary and myself would much rather hook up with a cute busty country looking girl for half or one third the price than a so-called sophisticated model.
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Here's the Web site of [URL=http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html] Pegasus [/URL].
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
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Evil[/QUOTE]
I see your point Evil,
Viewing the web site I don't see any girls as pretty as my favourite girls at "Long Gun"
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Here's the Web site of [URL=http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html] Pegasus [/URL].
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
I went there as a guest of Asian business associates. The experience was again proof that there's no universal concept of beauty and standards vary considerably from culture to culture, not to mention among individuals. I could see very little difference between the PR girls, sideliners and models, but to my hosts (from Taiwan) it was crystal clear. One of them summed it up this way: "Of course the models are prettier, they cost more."
Evil[/QUOTE]
The inside is gaudy and overdone. It's a cathouse! But it's the total experience that counts.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]When is it not a good to visit Thailand?[/QUOTE]
When you are broke. !!!
OK, seriously, any time is good but I personally would avoid Christmas and New Years Eve.
Also bear in mind that September/October are the wettest months.
I almost forgot, avoid Songkran unless you like water thrown over you day after day.
Songkran is supposed to be 13th to 15th April but in Pattaya it continues until 19th.
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]Here's the Web site of [URL=http://www.pegasus-grand-sukhumvit23.com/home.html] Pegasus [/URL].
In my book, the interior decoration was more stunning than the women. The girls were indeed very attractively dressed and turned out, but I didn't get a WOW! feeling at first glance.
I went there as a guest of Asian business associates. The experience was again proof that there's no universal concept of beauty and standards vary considerably from culture to culture, not to mention among individuals. I could see very little difference between the PR girls, sideliners and models, but to my hosts (from Taiwan) it was crystal clear. One of them summed it up this way: "Of course the models are prettier, they cost more."
Evil[/QUOTE]
Evil,
I do agree that there is no universally accepted view of beauty. Prices in general, though, do reflect demand and therefore are an indicator of some combination of skills, looks and service. Ambience and exclusivity also has value to some. Yes, some places are marketed better, but without any real value, those places soon disappear. Pegasus has been around for a while.
The girls in Pegasus may not meet your view of beauty, but someone is paying those prices for those girls and must be getting some value for it. In my opinion, you can find girls who look as good or better outside the Eden Club for less baht. What is implied in Eden's pricing and the reason they can charge more is reputation based off prior service levels. You might say "of course the service is better, it costs more".
Your quote you posted of the Taiwan host makes him look like an idiot, and I suspect his view/opinion may not have come across as intended. He may have simply meant that historically, the girls in the higher priced category are better looking or provide better service. Just a guess. As my handle indicates, I also spend a lot of time in Asia and also live in the only State in the US where 50% of the population is Asian (US born and Asia born). I don't know any Asians, friends or business associates, who would be sold on someone's looks just because they are priced higher. They are not idiots and they are not sheep.
Even in the Soapies, the "models" are not always better looking than the other fishbowl girls. Taken as a group, they generally are. I do suspect that they do have a following based on the complete package (skills, looks and consistently good service).
I found that Pegasus was much like Soi 33. Mostly more packaging than substance, but I did have a very good time with one of the girls there a few years back. There are also some stunning woman there from time to time, just like Soi 33. Just don't expect it everytime. They will show you the membership set up, but you do not need to be a member.
I would say it's worth a look, but don't go there if the Soi 33 prices bother you, since it's actually a bit more expensive than they are.
AT2
Haven't been to this pick-up joint for half year or so, thus gladly joined when a friend of mine came from abroad for the weekend.
Arriving at the scene just after midnight on Saturday, crowded as usual with chicks and to-be clients.
The seating seemed to be divided into zones with Japanese clients to the right and those farang clients at central bars.
Type of girls here also being divided accordingly to suit different taste of choice. Those darker skin Isan girls favoured by farang at the middle part and those slimmer body fair skin cutir type hang around the right side of the bar.
Doing some market survey walking around, I spoke to several girls and enquired price for ST. Girls are quite confined to their client group and most of the time would not quote if you do not fall into her type of customer. She might smile and walk away or give some excuse to leave.
From the responses I got, it could be summarized as this; the Isan type girls or those with higher mileage would quote you 1,000 - 1,200 Baht and can be bargained down. Especially after bar closing there would be more flexibility in price.
Those catering to Asian clients mostly quoted 1,500 Baht ST or even higher and not budged lower than 1.5k as far as I have tried. It gave me impression that those Japanese guys have spoiled the market, I just hope that this will not spillover to the other group of girls.
Took one of the good looking one out, and she took me upstairs hotel in the same building (Manhattan?) which cost 500 B but there was no available room (Wow!) So, went out to flag down a cab to the side lane from Soi 3 (Nana Nuea) to a hotel call Penthouse. Adequate room but not particularly nice, just OK, ST room rate is 310 B.
The girl I took requested for advance payment right after shower which I refused with smile, telling her not to worry I will pay her as agreed and she gave in.
Had a so so CBJ and alright sex but the girl seemed to have low mileage as I felt that she's not so oftenly utilized. She told me later that she just do this over weekend or when money is tight.
One thing I like about Thermae is the diversity of girls there; though many are long time professionals but also many are freelancers looking for extra income from all walk of life. Just sititng there sipping cold beer and you can observe how differently men approach women for those from opposite side of our hemisphere!
Saint Jack,
It's been a long time since I used BG7 or Thermae, but I used to tell this to the girls:
"1,000ST, if you are really good, you get 1,000Tip, if not, you get nothing" that way, I could always tell they are eager to go the extra mile. Some of them were really aggressive in bed (probably motivated by the extra money).
Also, If the girl did go the extra mile, I always honored my side of the Bargain and tipped her the agreed amount, you have to be fair.
NicFrenchy
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Saint Jack,
It's been a long time since I used BG7 or Thermae, but I used to tell this to the girls:
"1,000ST, if you are really good, you get 1,000Tip, if not, you get nothing" that way, I could always tell they are eager to go the extra mile. Some of them were really aggressive in bed (probably motivated by the extra money).
Also, If the girl did go the extra mile, I always honored my side of the Bargain and tipped her the agreed amount, you have to be fair.[/QUOTE]
I may do it differently though higher chance of not getting satisfactory service;
I never mention tipping amount and will see to the service quality of the girl to decide how much I would pay.
I try to look for the right chemistry between the two by be nice to them rather than motivating girls to provide service with extra pay; and I hate those girls who try to hint that others are tipping so much so much.
I agree that your way of dealing will probably yield more satisfied service but I just have different philosophy on how to do it.
SJ
Its now 1 year since the military junta took power.
What do you think has changed for mongers, throughout this year ?
By reports, prices seem the same, there were some bombings in new year, but safety seems good, is everything the same as ever in your opinion ?
Thanks
Monte Cristo
[QUOTE=Saint Jack]
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Those catering to Asian clients mostly quoted 1,500 Baht ST or even higher and not budged lower than 1.5k as far as I have tried. It gave me impression that those Japanese guys have spoiled the market, I just hope that this will not spillover to the other group of girls.
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[/QUOTE]
I don't go to Thermae these days as recent visits found not many girls that I liked.
However previously I have found some really hot girls there (years ago).
Some girls will not go with every guy. It sometimes depends on if they really like the guy. Many of these girls are not full time P4P but are strapped for cash from time to time, although they still have standards and self respect. Of course offering huge amounts of money can always be persuasive. I mean I would fuck just about anything for 1 million dollars.
There are girls who are not desperate and will not fuck for less than 1500 Baht. Thats fine. It just supply and demand. The best girls can price themselves higher because they get more customers anyway. Why should they fuck for less than 50 bucks when they don't need to. If they really wanted the guy badly they could go for free.
There will always be guys willing to pay $50 or more for sex with a superior girl. Now there are 'dogs' available for fucking at very low prices but why would I when my GF is georgous (IMO). So a girl needs to be have something special to be worth spending my valuable time on.
[quote=montecristo]its now 1 year since the military junta took power.
what do you think has changed for mongers, throughout this year ?
by reports, prices seem the same, there were some bombings in new year, but safety seems good, is everything the same as ever in your opinion ?
thanks
monte cristo[/quote]
the thaksin era caused soapies and bars to be drained of **** girls and illegal immigrants (like burmese or thai ya girls).
the bars started closing earlier.
full nudity on the gogo floor wasn't allowed.
but policing these restrictionss is dropping away gradually.
some bars have full nudity, close later than closing time, etc.
have the illegal girls come back? not too my knowledge but they may have.
bombs,tsunamis, coups, etc. have short term effects on tourists but there is no sound basis for that, so before long they are back.
hopefully the forum members know that thailand is still a much safer place to be than many other countries, assuming that you respect local customs and don't go looking for trouble.
back again after a week and boy do i need a massage and so it search time.
have not had much success with the soapies in the past, but they are popular so i must have had bad luck. easiest way to get to the main bunch on rachadapisek is to catch the underground mrt to huay kwang. take the emerald hotel exit (#3) and there you are, los: land of soapies (and quite a few good chinese restaurants). the choice is truely bewildering.
going south toward the swissotel (which is on your left on the other side of the road) there is an easy stroll to
caludia. ok but not really memorable.
hi-class. relatively smaller place that was quiet as hell last night. room for 40-50 women in the fsh bowl and sideliners behind you and in another room. not tongight for ltb. last year when i was there they had a sideliner that i still dream about, gorgeous and aobut 4000b. it was during the day and they offered a discount, seemed suspicious to me so passed.
emanuelle. the grand daddy of them all. somewhat like a vegas casino (dirtier and seedier just as i like it) from the outside and a bit run down on the inside. good selection on the night. fishbowl is 2200 t0 2600 and the models in the other room run to 5000. no one really caught my fancy although one of the models, well you know what it's like, that little tingle saying 'hello what's this, time to stand to attention'. possibly the first mistake of the night, i decided to check out the other options and passed.
nataree. there appear to be two. the first (the one on your right if you are looking at them from the street or the strip parking in front) was the pick of the night for me. less structured. a million girls in the bowl, seemingly hundreds rep001tered all around you as you look at the aquarium. truly a boy in a lolly shop experience, so intense i couldn't make my mind up and moved on. prices seemed a bit cheaper than emanuelle, in the same league none the less. they did however have a couple of average looking women for 6000 and 8000b. wtf? papasan says they're virgins. don't really believe it, but you should know what he says. anyone any ideas, stories on this?
the other nataree was a dump. rude papasan, few girls and tacky surrounds.
subway. tried hard but somehow doesn't really stack up with the others. on the night the girls were few and below par and the service ambiance only so so. they did serve food though.
decided to walk north to check out poseidon and whatever else i could find on the way. quick tip, probably not a good idea to walk unless you want to arrive looking like you've stepped out of a shower you had with your cloths still on. anyway the two highlights are
poseidon. a real monster of a place. nightclub, fishbowl, lounge with models, bar and all. fishbowl girls were only ok and the action in the models lounge looked limited. lot's of guys drinking and only a few girls. decided to move on. prices much the same as emanuelle, by the way poseidon is right next to the surisan mrt stop.
party spa is just south of poseidon. this is small place with only about 10 or so girsl on display. no fishbowl just women sitting on an l-shaped couch under spot lights. very fetching. in fact definately the best looking of the girls all night as a group. papasan very friendly and helpful. sadly he told me prices are that were inline with the others only they applied to one pop only. mistake number two and ltb leaves on the basis of poor value. next time.
back to nataree, the good one. fewer women now, it's about 9:30 or so. busy says papasan, good sign says me (to myself). still so many left it's hard to decide. about to pick a winsome honey from the fishbowl when some majic spirit tempts me to turn around and there she is, miss drop dead gorgeous. a smile that says you are the most wonderful man in the world. well how could i resist such an accurate smile lol. her name is noi. just the sort of body i love, small breast, great arse beautiful hair, great make up (subtle) the whole package. you know what it's like with thai women, can't tell if they are 16 or 26, can act 16 or 26 and always attentive.
sad to report that in room performance was in line with my previous experiences in soapy land. no dfk, no bbbj, no daty only marginal performance on the bj and fs side, still all i had to do was open my eyes and look at either her absolutely sweet, neat and wet pussy or at her quite good acting and it was all worth it. the upside was the that massage part was truly surprisingly good.
next time i hope to score her looks and innocence with some high octane performance.
keep rootin 'n' reportin
ltb
[quote=long time boy]<cut>emanuelle. the grand daddy of them all. somewhat like a vegas casino (dirtier and seedier just as i like it) from the outside and a bit run down on the inside. <cut>
nataree. there appear to be two. the first (the one on your right if you are looking at them from the street or the strip parking in front) was the pick of the night for me. less structured. a million girls in the bowl, seemingly hundreds rep001tered all around you as you look at the aquarium. truly a boy in a lolly shop experience, so intense i couldn't make my mind up and moved on. prices seemed a bit cheaper than emanuelle, in the same league none the less. they did however have a couple of average looking women for 6000 and 8000b. wtf? papasan says they're virgins. don't really believe it, but you should know what he says. anyone any ideas, stories on this?
the other nataree was a dump. rude papasan, few girls and tacky surrounds.
subway. tried hard but somehow doesn't really stack up with the others. on the night the girls were few and below par and the service ambiance only so so. they did serve food though.
decided to walk north to check out poseidon and whatever else i could find on the way.
<cut>sad to report that in room performance was in line with my previous experiences in soapy land. no dfk, no bbbj, no daty only marginal performance on the bj and fs side, <cut>
ltb[/quote]
ltb,
the other side of nataree (the dump, as you described it), is the oil massage section i believe. very few girls there. i would recommend nataree as very good value. large 50+ girl selection and price range of 2,000 to 3,000 baht. i think there were a handful of girls priced higher, but more than enough selection and variety.
subway is also in the oil massage category and not a soapy. yes, they have a very small selection. they did have a very hot starfish, when i was there a few weeks ago.
i agree with you on two of your other comments. emmanuelle does remind me a lot of the slightly cheesy vegas strip clubs on the outside and yes, do not walk to poseidon and the other soapy's from huai kwang. the next stop on the mrt will take you right to the heart of the action in that cluster.
be sure to take a cab from huai kwang to utopia the next time. nice selection there too. i'm a bit surprised by your "no daty" experience. i have not had that issue at the soapy's.
last comment .. i think this belongs in the massage thread. although technically, you rarely get a real massage at a soapy.
at2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Although technically, you rarely get a real massage at a Soapy.
AT2[/QUOTE]Now THAT is So true!! hahaha
I can hardly remember ever having received a massage at a soapy (except the Cupidy Inflatable Mattress)
I have an odd question.
I'm going to grow my [b]beard[/b] out. I'm usually clean-shaven, but I've decided to let it grow for my trip. I obviously plan to keep it well-trimmed.
I know that on the whole, the girls will usually prefer a man who's clean-shaven, but my question is "will it be a [b]major[/b] issue"? I can't imagine that it would, but you never know. Is it a big issue to Thai Girls? Or are they totally used to facial hair with all the scruffiness nowadays, and the trend toward not shaving religiously?
Your experiences?
Archie,
In my experience, Thai women do not like Facial hair. I never get any grief from P4P girls (they like you the way you are, since you are paying), but I can tell you the reaction from my female staff: The few times I came to the office unshaven they made it a point to tell me that letting your facial hair grow is dirty.
I am 99.9% of the time clean shaven and the girls love to caress my face (or mabe it's because I have the face of a baby LOL)
[QUOTE=ArchieLeach]I have an odd question.
I'm going to grow my [b]beard[/b] out. I'm usually clean-shaven, but I've decided to let it grow for my trip. I obviously plan to keep it well-trimmed.
I know that on the whole, the girls will usually prefer a man who's clean-shaven, but my question is "will it be a [b]major[/b] issue"? I can't imagine that it would, but you never know. Is it a big issue to Thai Girls? Or are they totally used to facial hair with all the scruffiness nowadays, and the trend toward not shaving religiously?
Your experiences?[/QUOTE]
I have had either full beard or just a "goatee" and never has been a problem - actually some like it.
If you got the "cash" they may take you even if you are "wolfman"
enjoy
I've had a beard my entire adult life, but I keep it and my hair neatly trimmed and my beard has never been a problem for Thai girls. It's more the total impression you make.
Evil
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Now THAT is So true!! hahaha
I can hardly remember ever having received a massage at a soapy (except the Cupidy Inflatable Mattress)[/QUOTE]
Many years ago, a good massage could be had at a soapie, assumming that you had plenty of time.
The Thermae was my favourite Soapie for a while (Long gone now).
CPII had good massage plus sex available in the Boraan section and still does.
Not that many pretty girls in this section of course.
I don't want the massage to be too good. I'm scared it will be more torture than bliss.
I really prefer to be giving them an erotic massage instead
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]<cut>
They did have a very hot starfish, when I was there a few weeks ago.
<cut>AT2[/QUOTE]
Please explain what this means to an ignorant not up with the jargon.
"hot starfish"???
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Please explain what this means to an ignorant not up with the jargon.
"hot starfish"???[/QUOTE]
Its a girl whos very hot atractive sexy fit what ever you want to call it who is shit in bed basically just lays there.
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]Its a girl whos very hot atractive sexy fit what ever you want to call it who is shit in bed basically just lays there.[/QUOTE]
Yeh O.K. I thought 'hot' and 'starfish' seemed self contradictory, but now I get it.
[QUOTE=Montecristo]Its now 1 year since the military junta took power.
What do you think has changed for mongers, throughout this year ?
By reports, prices seem the same, there were some bombings in new year, but safety seems good, is everything the same as ever in your opinion ?
Thanks
Monte Cristo[/QUOTE]Living in Bkk for almost 5 years I have noticed a number of changes during the last year. The most important probably more relaxed opening hours. Before closing was strictly 1pm most places and 2pm at nightclubs at major hotels. Today there are numerous discos and clubs open until early morning. Places like Spicy, Boss, Lucky, etc are packed every week end night. And one more change; less tourists so more girls per guy. Amazing Thailand!
china town has less girls, and higher percentage are dogs. grace hotel area has more and older fat dogs. prices are about the same. hardly any newbie girls any more. prince hotel girl scene is gone.( making a 5 star hotel.).
Biggest change I have seen lately is that the girls on the street, at the Biergarten Soi 7 and Nana Parking lot are more often asking what I am going to pay them. Some of these girls are wanting more than before - it seems that they are getting into a crunch with higher inflation here and a money squeeze. They worry a lot more about money than they did a year ago (the consumer confidence numbers here are at a 5 year low, and that may explain some of it).
Back in Dec 06 I couldn't play much (Not on my own every night), Tried a couple of strees ladies, one was a classy uni student I met on SuK Soi 15 - 17 about 3am. We went to PB and enjoyed an very enjoyable night (LT) followed by breakfast at a nearby resteraunt the following morning.
I used to do this daily 20 years ago, but now I am a 50 yo I did find it a bit strange walking down the street 9 am with a 21 yo beautiful Thai lady.
Dec 07 I will be back and alone this time, looking to make up for lost time. Possibly staying at Nana or Swiss on Soi 11, unless omeone recommends a better guest friendly place.
Also I have read reports about Annies in the Nana area of Sukhumvit. where and how good is it ?
Thanks in advance to the members
Hello,
Is Popper legal in BKK or not?
[QUOTE=Tg Fan]Back in Dec 06 I couldn't play much (Not on my own every night), Tried a couple of strees ladies, one was a classy uni student I met on SuK Soi 15 - 17 about 3am. We went to PB and enjoyed an very enjoyable night (LT) followed by breakfast at a nearby resteraunt the following morning.
I used to do this daily 20 years ago, but now I am a 50 yo I did find it a bit strange walking down the street 9 am with a 21 yo beautiful Thai lady.
Dec 07 I will be back and alone this time, looking to make up for lost time. Possibly staying at Nana or Swiss on Soi 11, unless omeone recommends a better guest friendly place.
Also I have read reports about Annies in the Nana area of Sukhumvit. where and how good is it ?
Thanks in advance to the members[/QUOTE]
One place I would suggest is Livingsone's in Soi33. You wouldn't have to be walking the street there as you can take the ladies straight up to your room. Check out Giotto's Forum under ASIA thread.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]One place I would suggest is Livingsone's in Soi33. You wouldn't have to be walking the street there as you can take the ladies straight up to your room. Check out Giotto's Forum under ASIA thread.[/QUOTE]
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Followed the crowd to Soi Eden (Sukhumvit Soi 7 (or is it 9) the one with Club Eden in it). Was not in the mood for a full on experience so passed on Eden.
Two new clubs (or at least to me). One called Magic Tables has girls in modified school uniforms dancing on top of mirrored and lighted tables and guess what, they have no nikkers on! Surprise.
Very pleasant way to spend some time and drink some beer. No one hassles and you have to ask for companionship and I guess everyone is on the menu. I was more interested in a rub down so went next door (on the rignt as you look from the street) to The Ring Fashion Massage.
Nice bar, reasonable girls. Aom appealed and up we went. Small clean room, shower attached and good air con. Usual type service good shower with plenty of attention, very oily massage body slides (not really long enough for me), toungue bath (again not long enough) and BBBJ and HJ.
AOM was nice. Slim figure, very small breasts cute and you wouldn't know she ahs a 6 year old kid. SErvice was pleasant. Massage too light from my taste although many perfer this. BBBJ was too soft for me, but the HJs (one to start and one to finish) were really good. Strong vigorous and so much oil that I nearly floated off the table!
All in all not too bad.
Keep rootin' 'n reportin'
LTB
Thanks for your report, LTB! Good info, and I'll check out those Soi 7/1 places today or tomorrow.
I went to Akane Fashion Massage yesterday. Great service (but no FS). There are two Akane places, one at Soi 33 and one right by the Chit Lom BTS station. The one near Chit Lom is on a short street (left hand side of that short street) on the side of Th. Ploenchit (extension of Sukhumvit) which is opposite the side that Nana Entertainment Plaza is on (although NEP is a few blocks away).
The service consists of shower (bath) on a table, oil massage and what they call "lip service" (which is some kissing/licking in various places, ending in HJ/BJ). I was enjoying it so much that I didn't notice whether or not the BJ was BBBJ. I've heard that 69 is possible during BJ, but my girl wouldn't go for it. She said she was "having accident" by which she meant having her period. I told her I'd come back in a few days, so we'll see if her "accident" is over.
I'm off to check out some other places, today. So I'll try to report again.
Take care, all
Great Guy
After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Dirty Benny]After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]The same stands good in thai aslo. I am a frequent business traveller and I have sometimes seen the customs guys going thru you laptops & your DC. It does not matter, if your are just trourist taken pics., of your fun but they would view it as pronography.
In today tech world, If I have to do this, I would just up load these pics into my servers / emails these and would not like to have them in pocession.
I know of US immig / customs going thru you laptops if you come from SE Asia or a frequent vistor to these countires. I know a friend of fine who went thru hell once in JFK airport as he goes on a holiday 3 or 4 times to SE Asia.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Dirty Benny]After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]The same stands good in thai aslo. I am a frequent business traveller and I have sometimes seen the customs guys going thru you laptops & your DC. It does not matter, if your are just trourist taken pics., of your fun but they would view it as pronography.
In today tech world, If I have to do this, I would just up load these pics into my servers / emails these and would not like to have them in pocession.
I know of US immig / customs going thru you laptops if you come from SE Asia or a frequent vistor to these countires. I know a friend of fine who went thru hell once in JFK airport as he goes on a holiday 3 or 4 times to SE Asia.
Cheers
Recently joined ISG.
Living in the States for a long time. Thinking about travelling to Thailand in November for some fun which is long overdue (if I say so myself).
I am originally from South East Asia. Not attached. Looking for some GF experience.
Would appreciate if fellow members give me some pointers to this junior member.
[QUOTE=Dirty Benny]After having had a horrifying experience in Cambodia last year in which i was imprisoned and extorted for having nude vids and pics of consenting adult girls, I am unsure of what the risks are in Thailand or China. Any advice or experience is appreciated. I am interested in BKK and Pattaya.[/QUOTE]DBE, could you please give a few more details, so I could assess my own risk. How did they find your photos in Cambodia? Were they in the camera? Were you going through customs?
I sometimes take naughty photos and videos of consenting adult girls in Thailand, but I make sure to follow these precautions:
* Ask the girl if it's OK to take photos once we're in the room, and respect her wishes. I usually ask girls to turn off mobiles before we start, so this reduces the chance of a set-up.
* Within an hour, transfer images to my laptop, and save them on an encrypted partition (Google for TrueCrypt). This still leaves traces, but we're into advanced computer forensics here, can't stumble on it by accident.
* Never post pictures on the net, or otherwise share them. I may send a non-nude photo to a good friend, but that's all.
Sorry if this is not the best forum to discuss the issue, but I'm replying to a submission on this thread.
Last Friday I had had my last night in Thailand, and I had to find some good long time. Stayed at Unico Leela Hotel, Nana was fully booked. It’s a bit far back in Soi 3 but still able to walk to Soi 7 in 10 minutes. I booked a so called superior room on Internet, paid 36 USD including buffet breakfast. It had a bath tub from which I benefited greatly later. But it seems to an industrial building which has been converted into a hotel by putting up inside walls, so you have rooms without windows. Service was good. The bell boy confirmed that it was no problem to bring girls back, and I saw a girl who picked up her ID when I checked in and condoms were available in the room as well.
On my previous trip to BKK I BF a girl at NEP, but it wasn’t a good experience, so checked out Beer Garden in Soi 7 this time. Actually thought it was an ordinary beer bar, but it’s a place for freelancers. And at least on Fridays it’s packed. A lot of girls, mostly average, but a few good looking ones as well. But I found it to early to take a LT back to the hotel. Just walked around in the Sois and along Sukhumvit Road were some really good lookers were passing by. Then I spotted a cutie sitting outside Starbucks, but she looked to young. On my way back she was still there, so I smiled and said hello. She asked if she could come with me and we went for a beer. She also asked if her friend could join us. They were actually 23 and 21 years old. But I think their petite size tricked me a bit. The 23 year old I first picked up was around 150 cm and thin. Her friend was hardly more than 140 cm. Needless to say; I ended up taking both for LT.
We walked back to the hotel were they left their ID in the reception. No problems to bring two girls to the room. So we had a lot of fun in the bath tub, all 3 of us before going to bed. They insisted on CBJ. Couldn’t understand why really, since I had no problem swapping pussies without changing condom. So didn’t do much BJ, just banged them. Came twice before going to sleep. The youngest one wanted to go home then, which was ok with me. I still had one for the morning fuck. Would probably sleep better with one girl in the bed as well. I should maybe have kept the youngest since she had the best body, and sent the oldest home. Had a good night sleep and a good shagging in the morning, and just manage to catch some breakfast before they closed at 10.
This was the first time I had two girls weighing less than me together. I’m 80 kg. Didn’t try out Eden in the afternoon the final day which was my back-up. Next time maybe.
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[quote=ny desiman]recently joined isg.
living in the states for a long time. thinking about travelling to thailand in november for some fun which is long overdue (if i say so myself).
i am originally from south east asia. not attached. looking for some gf experience.
would appreciate if fellow members give me some pointers to this junior member.[/quote]
ny,
when is your trip? if it's several months away, then the best advice i can give you, is to take a peek at the website a couple of times a week. in 2-3 months, you will have a very good idea what to do and where to go. the basics are the go-go bars, soapy massage, oil massage, coyote clubs, night clubs, gentlemens clubs and foot massage establishments. your question is rather broad, so it is difficult to tell what you know and where you want this to go. posts like your often get flamed, sorry to say.
follow the bangkok reports thread and the massage thread, and you will get most of the answers you seek. see the reports of distinction thread too. i myself, wish we had a "just the facts" thread, since the reports of distinction thread has many "story" type posts. they are interesting reads, but there are many who just want to get to the bottom line .. where to go and what to do.
i'm also going off the assumption that you did not partake in the p4p scene while you were in south east asia (possibly too young at the time or married). the good news, is it's almost impossible not to get a gfe during your stay in thailand. just be cool and be nice. the girls will be giving away their phone numbers and e-mail addresses.
good luck!
at2
Thank you very much AsiaTraveler2. Much obliged.
My trips are 1 to 2 months way at most.
Yes, I have been reading the posts but it's easy to get lost.
You are right, I was too young before I came to the States.
I am looking for something upscale, and may be only one GF for the whole trip.
Thank you again for responding to my inquiry.
My latest exploits for fellow members:
Started the day at Akane (ChitLom) for a 2 hour special (THB2880) where 2 ladies will scrub and wash you in a plastic covered massage bed (comfortable) for a good 30 mins. They paid special attention to your john thomas and anal area. I closed my eyes to enjoy the session and both the girls continued to wash and tease and at one stage started to slowly finger my anus.(tried it for one minute and really knew it is not my thing).
We then proceeded to the massage room where both will strip down naked and start to rub you with lots of seaweed lotion (making one feel really mosturised) and whilst being massaged, both of them will tease with kisses and tit rubs. The action eventually went further as they started to proactively move my hand to rub their pussies and breasts. Whilst one would FK and allow you DATY, the other will use her breast to rub your john thomas doggy style (ie from the back pulling your john thomas from below). We then moved to allow me full fledged DATY whilst the other capped me and BJCIM with the cap on. Finished the deed and went to Chatuchak to meet up with some friends whom was looking around for a known tatoo artist.
Continued as a team (joined by my friends), we went to the Huay Kwang(MTR Station) area which has around 10 massage places and settled for Nataree. Previewed the selection both from the fishbowl and the younger ones sitting around the sofa and bar stools. There are around 30-40 girls to choose from and prices ranges from (THB2000-THB3200) depending on the ages and popularity.
Being a fan of large tits, I took one number A9 (Kat)(THB2000) as she is a natural with no silicones(as advertised heavily by the captain) and my friend took 46(THB2000) as his preference is always face first and then features second. Not to say my choice was a dog.
Went into the room and she started the bath running and we both started to drink Asahi beer whilst waiting for the water and we chatted with the usual customary talk of where I am from and how long am I staying in BKK. Service was SOP and nothing to shout about.
Continued with dinner at SomBoom Seafood Restaurant (which is a few doors away from Nataree) and we ordered chili prawns, bbq fish, noodles, oysters with eggs, spring rolls and beer with total damage of THB1200 for 3.
The night being young at 9pm, we went over to Claudia nightclub (next to SomBoom). The drinks package is THB10k for 7 bottles of Johnie Black. The selection of girls to drink and dance with you is about 25 girls and quite a number are SYTs. The rate is THB200 per hour for the girl to sit with you. We took 4 girls and drank Johnie bought during our previous trip. The bill still came up to THB9k and I realised its because one of my friends barfined his companion and costs THB3k. Claudia nightclub has 2 live bands singing alternatively with some good selection of songs and atmosphere is more bar like than go go bar feel. Crowd are mostly Singaporeans and Malaysians one would feel quite cosy.
We proceeded to NEP and went straight to Rainbow 4 as IMHO, they have the best looking girls. We barfined one girl and took a cab to Soi Cowboy area and went straight to LongGun Bar. Their dancers are very good and professional and with some having very strong gymnastic skills around the dancing pole.
Had a good night and will report my next FR soon.
FD
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Would like to recommend a new "find"........ well, new for me anyway ! Tilac a Go Go in Soi Cowboy.
Was entertaining a not so frequent visitor to LOS and my usual MO is to take people to tried and tested haunts of ill repute. I always like to ensure said guests are well taken care of so I like to stick with those places I know will give good service, play good music and wont rip u off.
However, on this occassion, whilst traversing the aformentioned haunts, my visitor made eye contact with a rather fine specimen sitting outside Tilac so we decided to chance it and ventured inside. I can only say, it was well worth the experience ! Quality of girls was very acceptable, lots of choice and music was ok. Sat down, got the drinks in and scoped the scenery for anything that looked worth buying a drink for. Very quickly, I made my choice, got the eye contact going with a few exchanged smiles and over she came when she got off the pole. After some small talk, she was worth spending a bit more time with, so bought her a drink. By this time, my buddy had his sitting next to him with a drink and one of her mates so he was well settled in.
As the evening progressed, things were starting to look good for a bar fine for my choice and buddy was well into his pair too. By this time, we had already ensured Mamasan had been bought a few drinks too (thats to ensure the good service) so decided to get down to the negotiations. Bar fine was 500 and mine was asking for 1500 all nite. Buddy was up for it too so I told him pick one of his. To cut a long story short, he couldnt make up his mind, so took them both. I was going to take mine to PB Hotel which is cheap and clean (and has mirrors on the ceiling :D ) but buddy suggested we all party on back in his room cuz he had a suite......... why not I thought !
We all hopped in a taxi and soon got up to buddys room after a quick chat and 200 baht for Mr Security. The hotel is one I use regularly for guests so I like to keep them sweet too.
There were a couple of nice big beds in the room so buddy got down on one with his two and I had soon got mine disrobed on the other. Lots of kissing then down for a bit of DATY which I always enjoy, then suddenly felt a tongue lapping at my balls ! Buddy was already bouncing the springs with one of his and the other one was feeling neglected, so came over to join in with us........ and I wasnt gonna stop her ! She quickly moved on to a fantastic BBBJ at which point I thought I was gonna shoot my load. My one was getting nicely juiced up by now so thought it was about time for her to get serviced. While I'm lying down slipping the wellie on she's squatting over me ready for some cowgirl so in it slips. Neglected one obviously doesnt want to get left out this time, so she straddles my face for some oral entertainment of her own. Whilst mine is bouncing up and down on me for all her life, I catch a reflection in the mirror of her and neglected (although she isnt by this time :D ) swallowing each others tongues like they havent eaten for a week ! It was all too much for me so I emptied a good load in mine. I thought we were all done, but whilst my two left me to recover, they carried on with some double DATY until they both apparently came. By this time, buddy had sorted his one out and they were showering together. When they finished, me, my one and neglected all popped in the bathroom for a thorough joint soaping. Finished that then back into the room for a few more drinks and chat. I had a quick word with buddy that no one had done neglected yet, so he should try his best to get it up and get his money's worth. I suggested mine and neglected get some action going for him (he'd missed it as he was obviously too busy with his) which they kindly obliged for a while and he was soon pumping away at neglected for all he was worth whilst mine is rimming him. I'd been quite enjoying the lesbo action too, so by now little Maars was standing at attention which caught the eye of buddy's first choice. Not to be left out, she goes down for a BJ but I'm already up for some pussy so quickly turn her round and do her doggie on the floor while she is up against the bed. I'm engrossed in my action, but made a quick check on buddy to make sure he was still ok........ needn't have bothered as he was......... neglected was positioned doggie style against the bed, with mine (not exactly the correct desription by this time, but u know who I mean) standing over her, both of them with their pussy's available in the direction of buddy, who's obliging both of them with a few thrusts each ! Shit, all too much for me, so promptly shot my load. By this time, we are all totally fucked so everyone falls asleep in whatever bed they have just finished on. When I woke up a few hours later, mine was in bed with me and buddy is there with his and neglected, so they must have sorted themselves out in the middle of the night. Buddy needed to check out, so after a quickie with mine (I'm not sure if he did his or neglected), baht was exchanged and we were both left with fantastic memories of One Night in Bangkok and another house of ill repute to add to the visitors list !
Tried out The Magic Table, located next to Bangkok's famous fuck shop Eden Club on Sukhimvit Soi 7/1. Small bar with three piers of tables fitted with mirrors and upward-pointing lights. Girls wearing shortened schoolgirl uniforms dance on the tables. None of the girls are wearing panties. All of the girls had cleanly shaved pussies. The girls rotate dance sets and perform a basic routine. Some dancers were more enthusiastic, squatting nicely for superb views of their bare beavers.
Atmosphere was casual. Drinks were cheap. No pressure to tip the dancers or other bullshit. It felt like an intimate version of Soi Cowboy's Baccara go go bar. There were a couple of cuties and one was definitely fuckable. Usual barfine system applies if you want to take out, which I personally didn't as I had something else on (my regular 2-hour bargain 400 bhat straight up foot+head/shoulder massage at Tarntip Massage on the other side of Eden).
To illustrate The Magic Table experience, I took a couple pics with my phone camera pointing down onto the mirror. You'll get the point. Enjoy BKK, AsianRain+
You can check my posts in the Cambodian board for details....i was not setup by the girl as she was imprisoned as well. I showed them to no one. They were never posted or shared. I had minidv tapes that the Cambodian police went through after what I figure was a tipoff by the hotel or my taxidriver. Not exactly sure but a life-altering experience. Sounds like i should leave the camera home in Thailand. Still paranoid to beat the band.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp]DBE, could you please give a few more details, so I could assess my own risk. How did they find your photos in Cambodia? Were they in the camera? Were you going through customs?
I sometimes take naughty photos and videos of consenting adult girls in Thailand, but I make sure to follow these precautions:
* Ask the girl if it's OK to take photos once we're in the room, and respect her wishes. I usually ask girls to turn off mobiles before we start, so this reduces the chance of a set-up.
* Within an hour, transfer images to my laptop, and save them on an encrypted partition (Google for TrueCrypt). This still leaves traces, but we're into advanced computer forensics here, can't stumble on it by accident.
* Never post pictures on the net, or otherwise share them. I may send a non-nude photo to a good friend, but that's all.
Sorry if this is not the best forum to discuss the issue, but I'm replying to a submission on this thread.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Asian Rain]Tried out The Magic Table, located next to Bangkok's famous fuck shop Eden Club on Sukhimvit Soi 7. Small bar with three piers of tables fitted with mirrors and upward-pointing lights. Girls wearing shortened schoolgirl uniforms dance on the tables. None of the girls are wearing panties. All of the girls had cleanly shaved pussies. The girls rotate dance sets and perform a basic routine. Some dancers were more enthusiastic, squatting nicely for superb views of their bare beavers.
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If it is next to Eden then it will be in Soi 7/1. Soi 7 is not the same place.
[QUOTE=Maaars]Would like to recommend a new "find"........ well, new for me anyway ! Tilac a Go Go in Soi Cowboy.
Was entertaining a not so frequent visitor to LOS and my usual MO is to take people to tried and tested haunts of ill repute. I always like to ensure said guests are well taken care of so I like to stick with those places I know will give good service, play good music and wont rip u off. . . .[/QUOTE]I guess being a good host has it's rewards! I would definitely check this place out when I get to BKK during the Dec holidays (Dec 19 - 25). If you are there (maybe you live or work in BKK) please PM me your info as I could use your expertise. BTW, which hotel did you & your buddy use?
9-30-07 11:41:20
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) - A bomb exploded outside army headquarters in the Thai capital on Sunday night, injuring two police officers, authorities said.
The officers had been alerted that someone planted a suspicious package in a phone booth near the army compound, Police Col. Saranyu Prathumraj said. As the officers were attempting to diffuse the device, it went off and injured them, Saranyu said.
No one claimed responsibility for the bomb which exploded a day before Gen. Anupong Paochinda was set to replace outgoing army chief and coup leader Gen. Sonthi Boonyaratglin.
While the motive remained unclear, Thailand has been rocked by both political instability following a military coup in September 2006 which ousted Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, and a bloody Muslim insurgency in its southernmost provinces.
Nine bombs exploded in the Thai capital on New Year's Eve, killing three people and wounding more than 40. Authorities have yet to unravel the motives behind the attacks or arrest the perpetrators but it is generally believed that politics rather than the insurgency were responsible for the bombings.
The military-installed government also has said that followers of the exiled ex-prime minister are trying to create an atmosphere of instability in the country which could facilitate his return to power.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press.
[i]Please note- this report will make a lot more sense if you have first read [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500292&postcount=1198] Part 1[/url], [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=501708&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post501708] Part 2 [/url] and [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=625922&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post625922]Part 3 [/url].
Evil (and thanks for your patience if you make it through this one!) [/i]
As we made ready to leave the fold-up eatery, a guy I'd been talking with earlier gave me the thumbs up and smiled knowingly. He was part of a group of five that hailed from the coal fields of West Virginia. I could tell they had worked damn tough jobs - I noticed an assortment of visible scars on their faces and forearms, several had missing finger tips, and the oldest wheezed with what was probably black lung. They'd been saving a long time for their vacation in pussy paradise and the women had astounded them beyond their wildest expectations. But they were very disappointed with another aspect of the Bangkok scene. Under the new and stricter rules for bars in Thailand, they couldn't be served alcohol because they were miners.
Da and I stepped to the curb and quickly caught a cab that took us to the U-turn at Soi 20 and then back tracked to Soi 18. She was a little apprehensive as I kept motioning the driver "forward, forward!" to the end of the soi, but was reassured by the appearance of the lobby of the Town Lodge. She was enthralled by the jacuzzi suite and literally clapped her hands at the size of the tub.
The disadvantage of a big jacuzzi is the time it takes to fill it, so as the water ran, Da and I returned to the room's sitting area for a chat. She asked if she could have something to drink from the mini-bar and I told her to take her pick. She grabbed a Heineken, but I figured I'd had enough beer and chose a Diet Coke. We sat on the sofa and sipped our drinks as the water ran full-blast into the jacuzzi.
In response to my questions, Da said she'd been doing "many things" since our first brief and non-sexual encounter. She mainly supported herself through buying and then re-selling various sorts of merchandise, usually in cooperation with her brother. Sometimes she helped out in various small shops owned by family members or friends. It was only when she - or more accurately stated, her family - needed extra money that she resorted to the Sukhumvit stroll. She didn't express it in exactly those words, but that's the broad outline I drew from her answers.
Her English was better than many TGs and that was, as I suspected, attributable to a long-term live-in relationship with a native English speaker. She'd been very happy during the year she'd spent with him. They'd had a nice apartment, he'd paid a generous amount of support to her family each month and had generally taken good care of her. Life had been sweet. But when he met a lady he liked better, he'd kicked her out almost overnight. That had dealt a serious blow to her personal finances, as she'd been passing on virtually all the sponsorship money to her family and had saved nothing for herself. If she were to continue sending money back home every month, she'd have to start selling pussy again as well as flogging clothes and kitchen gadgets. It was at that point in time and space that I'd met up with her again.
The jacuzzi had filled nicely and the water was at a good temperature, so we showered quickly and hopped into the tub to relax. The jacuzzi jets shot out water at fairly high pressure, so the massage effect was noticeable. She'd finished her first beer before we got into the tub, but took a second Heineken to drink while we soaked. Maybe she really liked beer, but I suspected to may have had more to do with needing at least a mild alcohol buzz before having sex with a farang who was more than twice her age. I exited the jacuzzi first, sponged off in the shower, then flopped down on the bed. I reached for a bottle of after shave lotion on the headboard and splashed some on because TGs are always sensitive to smell.
Da joined me a few minutes later after what I assumed was the customary feminine wash up. The sex was certainly good, but nothing special - an adequate, if uninspired, version of the free-lancer canon. We finished; she, then I, showered again and returned to bed.
"You want more? " Da asked in a rather drowsy voice.
"No thank you, sweetheart," I told her."You go to sleep." As Sir Lancelot might have said, once a night is enough.
She kissed me and rolled over, still holding my hand. I waited a few minutes for her to settle down, then disentangled myself and moved to the desk on which I had set up my laptop. After my long evening nap, I wasn't really tired, at least not enough to sleep again. It was then about 4.00 a.m. and I checked and answered email and surfed the Web until about 6.00 a.m, when Da awoke and stumbled sleepily into the toilet.
When she came out, she complained her stomach hurt - bad. From what I could gather, it was some form of acid indigestion. I gave her the only remedy I had at hand - old-fashioned Alka-Seltzer, the effervescent tablets you drop in half a glass of water. She didn't much like the taste - "Too salty!" - or the sensation in her mouth, but drank it down. In a few minutes, she announced "Your medicine good," and was ready to go back to bed. I was feeling tired myself at that point lf and crawled into bed as well.
As I waited to fall asleep, I felt hollow inside. Empty. Drained, but not in a good way. I couldn't really put my finger on what was wrong, but I figured I wouldn't be seeing Da again. Nothing had gone amiss, - it just seemed meaningless.Perhaps I'd become jaded after too many years of mongering. Maybe it was only that I "think too mut"but it was with those gloomy ideas that I drifted into sleep.
The next few hours would prove me wrong I would see Da for several more days and it would be one of the more interesting and enlightening experiences I've had in Thailand.
[center][b]Life and Death at Bumrungrad[/b][/center]
I awoke a few hours later to Da poking me in the ribs and crying in pain. Her stomach hurt very badly, she said. She took my hand and placed it just under her breast bone, where the esophagus connects with the mouth of the stomach. I don't know if it was the stomach or the esophagus, but something inside her was spasming and I could feel it clearly. It scared the hell out of me. I didn't know whether the spasms were serious or not, but they definitely weren't right.
Of course I was worried about her but also about myself. If worst came to worst, I didn't at all fancy explaining to the BiB why there was a dead TG in my hotel room. In just a few minutes the stomach condition - whatever it was - had gotten worse for her and she was now howling in pain. I pulled on some clothes, stepped out in the hall and asked one of the maids I saw to stay with Da while I went down to the reception. I asked the desk clerk if she could summon a doctor because my girlfriend (what else was I going to call her?) was very sick. That wasn't possible, the clerk said.
"What we do instead?" I asked.
"Go hospital."
"OK. You call ambulance."
"No have."
"Whaaaaat?"
"No have ambulance."
I didn't know if she meant there really wasn't a public ambulance service in BKK or simply that she didn't know the number to call. But this was Thailand, no point in freaking out over an unexpected reply.
"What we do instead?'' I asked once again, as calmly as I could. "She bad sick."
"Taxi," was the answer.
So the hotel tuk-tuk driver was sent in pursuit of a cab and I went back up to the room to see what was happening with Da. She was screaming and her back was arched - I was afraid she was going into convulsions. The maids - several more had tuned up - were doing there best to comfort her.
Da was in no shape to walk down a flight of stairs, even a short one. I sent one of maids to wait for the return of tuk-tuk driver. He'd have to help me carry her to the taxi. I grabbed my passport, money, credit cards and my U.S. insurance card from the inroom safe. Da was crying from the pain and she was dressed only in a bathrobe. I intended to put her clothes in bag and take them with us to the hospital, but at that point, the tuk-tuk driver stepped into the room. He picked her up by himself and carried her to the cab. Not wanting to lose any time, I didn't bothe r about her clothes. She'd be making the trip to - and hopefully back from - the hospital clad only in a bathrobe.
I expected the cab driver to put up a fuss about transporting an obviously sick girl or at least demand extra pay for it. But he didn't say anything at all, just tried to drive to as fast as he could to Bumrumgrad on Soi 3. I'd have thought there would have been a closer hospital to Soi 18 but for whatever reason, the staff at the hotel and Da had decided Bumrungrad was best. It took the driver about 15 minutes to traverse the distance, part of the ride going down in best Hollywood style. He had one hand on the horn and his foot pressing hard on the gas pedal most of the time, even driving against the traff ic on a one-way soi for half a block to get a less crowded street.
As soon as we pulled into the emergency area of Bumrungrad, two male nurses lifted Da over to a transport cart and had rushed her inside before I had even gotten out of the cab. I paid the driver 100 baht, he thanked me and I think he wished me luck in Thai. Inside the emergency room, Da was already being examined in a curtained off cubicle. A nurse asked me a few questions and I told her I would assume financial responsibility for the treatment. She seemed satisfied and there were no more formalities for the moment. It sure as hell wouldn't have gone that fast at any hospital in the U.S.
The nurse directed me to a waiting area just off the emergency room. The odd thing was that I could see everything that was happening in the emergency room. Not, of course, in the curtained examination bays, but I had a clear view of the patients as they came in and it was sometimes very grim. A few minutes after I sat down, a young Asian man and woman were brought in, horribly mangled in what must have been a motorcycle accident. The man was quickly examined in cubicle and stripped of his clothes, then rushed out of the emergency room, presumably to surgery. The young woman left about 30 minutes later, covered by a white sheet. An elderly, lifeless-looking Middle Eastern man in a wheelchair was brought by four family members. He also left the examination bay under a white sheet, probably dead on arrival. His family began wailing their grief, but the Thai staff wouldn't allow them to accompany the body to the hospital's morgue. They were led, still wailing, to somewhere else.
This was too much real life for me and a sure-fire way to shatter any semblance of vacation spirit I still retained. I asked a nurse if there was somewhere else I could sit. She directed me to the cashier's area. I guess she didn't want me to get too far away before I'd paid. I also asked her if she knew what was wrong with Da.
"Indigestion," she answered.
"Is it bad?"
"No."
"Will she need to stay in the hospital?"
"No."
"How much longer long will it take?"
"Not long," she said with a shrug of her shoulders.
I sat for the next hour facing the two rather severe young men behind the cashier's counter. They didn't appear interested in chit-chat. I did have a conversation with another farang who was settling his bill for treatment of a sprained ankle. He was a professor of Judaic studies from a U.S. university who'd been doing a long-term research project in China. Apparently there had been several very active Jewish communities in China during the Middle Ages, especially in the city of Kaifeng. They proved very adaptable, especially regarding kosher dietary restrictions. While they continued to regard pork as forbidden, they accepted dog meat - a staple in that part of China. Over the centuries they assimilated into the local population and lost all knowledge of the Jewish religion, but still retained some customs and preferences from the old days, the professor said. Among the present-day offspring of the Jews of Kaifeng, a favorite breakfast dish is cream cheese on beagles.
Suddenly Da emerged into the cashier's area, seated in a wheel chair pushed by a nurse's assistant. She was smiling, happy to be out of pain. I was happy too that whatever it had been was apparently over. I gave her a kiss on the check and stepped up to the cashier's counter. One of the clerks handed me the bill: 2,700 baht, including the medicine she needed. I had been expecting 10,000 and had mentally prepared myself for more, so I figured I'd gotten off cheap. Her name didn't appear anywhere on the bill, and I'd be able to claim it all back on my insurance.
With Da still clad only in the hotel's bathrobe, the nurse's assistant pushed her to the hospital's entrance and we caught a taxi back to the Town Lodge. Inside the cab, she immediately hugged me tighter than I've ever been hugged before.
"Thank you, thank you," she whispered. "Without you, I think I dead now."
She cried softly all the way back - tears of joy she was still alive. Somewhat overdone, I thought. Acid reflux is a damn painful condition, but I don't believe it is life-threatening. There was no way I could convince her of that and she clung to me like a drowning sailor to a buoy. When we arrived at the Town Lodge, she had to make her way through the lobby and up the stairs. The hotel staff were relieved and all smiles that she was back OK, but a couple of punters were clearly amazed. The guests at the TL are 95% hardcore mongers, but it's not every day you see a girl arriving at midday dressed only in bathrobe, even in Bangkok. One guy's jaw dropped almost to his chest and another shook his head in astonishment.
Back in the room, Da immediately dashed into the shower. She emerged a few minutes later, a towel wrapped around her. She hugged me once more and began crying again, thanking me profusely for helping her. She promised she'd pay me back the money I'd spent on the hospital. She also said she'd "do anything" for me the rest of the time I was in Bangkok.
I told that she didn't need to pay me and whether she wanted to stay with me or go was entirely up to her. I explained that almost a year ago to the day, a Thai girl
- Gina of Eden Club fame - had stayed by my side when I was seriously ill (also with a stomach ailment) and saw to it I got the help I needed. It was karma that I should help her and rather than owing me anything, she had enabled me to repay a karmic debt.. She seemed to understand and we just sat embracing for a long time, each of us pondering the odd but appropriate way life sometimes works.
[center][b]Satori in Bangkok[/b][/center]
It took Da about 24 hours to regain her strength and she did indeed stay with me the remaining four days I was in Bangkok. The hollow feeling evaporated and it turned into a total girl-friend experience, with Da catering to my every need, sexual and otherwise. I guess there's nothing like the perception of a near-death experience to create intimacy. She told me again and again, "you want me do something, you ask me, OK?" I'm sure she would have done just about anything, but it somehow just didn't seem right to try any kinky experiments. The sex was very affectionate and fulfilling, but nothing like the nerve-tingling sessions I'd become accustomed to with the ladies of Eden.
It took Da about 24 hours to regain her strength and she did indeed stay with me the remaining four days I was in Bangkok. It turned into the total girl-friend experience, with Da catering to my every need, sexual and otherwise. I guess there’s nothing like the perception of a near-death experience to create intimacy. She told me again and again, “you want me do something, you ask me, OK?” I’m sure she would have done just about anything, but it somehow just didn’t seem right to try any kinky experiments. The sex was very affectionate and fulfilling, but nothing like the nerve-tingling sessions I’d become accustomed to with the ladies of Eden.
But the conversations we had I count among my absolute best mongering memories. Somehow, the trip to the hospital had created a bond between us.For those few days, it did seem like we had surmounted a lot of the barriers that separate older mongers from Thai girls - age, culture and language among the foremost.
She gave me a lot of insight into the world of free lancers. She'd tried to "work bar" several times, but hated it because of the inevitable fights with other girls and the never-ending stream of unpleasant customers. She didn't mind cheap Charlies so much - that was an occupational hazard. It was the crazy Charlies she feared - the ones who'd suddenly get violent without apparent cause. Next worst were the guys who tried to cheat her out of at least part of her hard-earned fee. She almost never went with a customer who wanted to use a short-time hotel because they were the ones who were most likely to argue about compensation or pull an out-and-out runner. Then came the "stinky men," the ones with poor hygiene. She said some guys stunk even after they'd taken showers. I don't want to ignite a lot of flaming, so suffice it to say that in Da's mind, body odor and ethnicity went hand-in-hand.
She said Japanese and English-speaking farangs were her favorite customers. Japanese men always paid well, smelled good and never tried to gip the girls. They seldom wanted the girl to stay long time, which she also considered an advantage. I asked her about the "2-3-4" rule: two inches; three minutes; 4,000 baht. She said she'd never heard that, but laughed and acknowledged it was "something true."
However, her explanation of high fees from Japanese is different than the usual one of them being lame-dupe overpayers. According to Da, Japanese men "fuck quickly but come many times." The higher relative fee covers three or four pops in an hour or so. This meshes well with the Asian concept of virility, which is at odds with the Western pattern of one poke with many, many strokes. A virile Japanese man comes fast, but also gets it up quickly again and rolls her over, lays her down and does it again. She agreed completely about the size of the sons of the Rising Sun, though.
"Very cute," she said, holiding her thumb and forefinger about one-and-a half inches apart. "Like baby."
She also told me some cheap Charlie horror stories, another reason why girls nowadays are hesitant about long time. One guy who took her traveling for a few days urged her to steal food from the breakfast buffet, or at least eat a lot, because they weren't going to have lunch. In the evening, he gave her 20 baht with which to buy something to eat while he went to a restaurant alone. She said she had one sure test to reveal which guys were cheap at heart. As soon as they got back to his room, she asked for a Coke from the mini-bar. If he gave her one, she knew he wasn't tight wad. But the guys who refused - whether it was because they hadn't had the foresight to stock up at 7-11 or because they were really concerned about an extra few baht - usually turned out to be bad customers, she said.
It was a fascinating glimpse into a side of mongering about which I hadn't thought too much. She lived a precarious existence and more than once she'd feared that the last sight she'd see would be the madness in an over-excited customer's eyes. Da wasn't asking for much from life - a decent income so she could support herself and help take care of her family. It seemed unfair that those modest goals were so difficult for her to achieve.
The day I departed LOS, I had a late-night flight to catch. Da cried the entire cab trip to the airport. She’d adamantly refused to take any more money from me, but I insisted once we were inside the terminal.
“For your family,” I reminded her and she thanked me with more tears and hugs. After I checked in and paid the departure fee, we said our final good-byes. She made me promise I'd call her next time I was in Bangkok. She hugged me one last time and I walked through the entrance to the Immigration Control.
I never saw her again.
[center][b]Epilogue[/b][/center]
Da had given me her cell phone number and her email address and we stayed in regular contact for a few months. She thanked me over and over again, always telling me how much she missed me and asking when I’d be back in Bangkok. She claimed not to be free-lancing any more, but was only taking whatever legit work she could find. Her stomach problems hadn’t returned. She never asked me for any money.
Then the emails from her stopped and mine went unanswered. I tried calling her, but I only got a message that the number wasn’t in service.Perhaps she'd found a husband or at least had gotten her life ordered to the degree she didn't need to keep in contact with farang mongers. But who knows - maybe a motorbike accident or something even worse had claimed her.
I wonder each time when I'm back in Bangkok if I'll run into her again. It hasn't happened yet and probably never will. Whether she's in this world or the next, I hope she's found that which she was seeking.
[center][b]-End-[/b][/center]
Another excellent and amusing story, Evil, and you left me wondering if you ever told those miners who could not buy alcohol that, in Thailand, they could always enjoy some cream cheese on Beagles instead. :)
Regards,
Daddy
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]...
As we made ready to leave the fold-up eatery...
[/QUOTE]Evil Penivel,
Great report(s), a really good read. Thanks for all the effort to write it.
Giotto
Evil, another fine stroke of the Evil Pen.
My hat off to you, sir.
Hi all,
I heard from a friend that there a couple of places in BKK (perhaps the Hyatt hotel, but not sure) where a number of "already-set" ladies (ie have the money, the car and so on) hang out to meet nice guys to bang. Basically it seems that these non working girls are horny and are not looking for $$ just for a nice guy to screw. Any pointers as to the places where to meet such women in BKK ?
Cheers,
Great story Evil. I had been waiting for it and it was well worth the wait.
Archie
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]
She almost never went with a customer who wanted to use a short-time hotel because they were the ones who were most likely to argue about compensation or pull an out-and-out runner. Then came the "stinky men," the ones with poor hygiene. She said some guys stunk even after they'd taken showers. I don't want to ignite a lot of flaming, so suffice it to say that in Da's mind, body odor and ethnicity went hand-in-hand.
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I have never had much difficulty taking a free-lancer, bar girl or whatever to a short time Hotel. They understand there are reasons to be embarassed about using my normal Hotel, whatever the reason might be.
I think if you are clean and speak nicely they are willing to go to any place that they feel safe. In some cases we never even discussed the price.
Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. I find picking up free-lancers very easy because of the extremely poor quality of most of the guys that I am competing against.
Free Lancers don't have to go with guys that smell and they may well refuse guys with bad attitude.
In my early days I was stupid. Met 2 girls in the Thermae. Both very pretty so deciding which one was tough. In the end chose the non-smoker 'lek'. We then had to hang around in the Thermae bar for ages while the other girl 'nit' gave many arrogant guys the big brush off. It was very difficult for her to find a guy good enough with a good attitude.
2nd night at the Thermae, same thing. I went with same girl lek but had to wait for ages for her friend to find a guy acceptable, and I can't remember if she actually got hooked up or not.
My experienced mate explained to me later, I probably should have taken both girls, and I would have got a more sex and still plenty of sleep instead of hanging around the smoky Thermae.
After the 2 girls got enough money together (day time clothing sales didn't pay well) they dissappeared home to Phitsanulok, and I was upset to lose them. Lek was voracious in bed and had very wide beautiful volcanoes on her chest, although she was a showoff.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. I find picking up free-lancers very easy because of the extremely poor quality of most of the guys that I am competing against.
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I am making this post with a penitent heart. Yes . . . I now know the fullness of my sins against this Holy Board. I have been writing sappy desperate sounding stories about little dogs and kings when I should have been writing about the Holiest of Wholes, where to find them, and how to make them become more than a mere apparition.
Therefore, I'd just like to say that ML is 100% correct. It's easy! Just take a shower, keep your nails well clipped, and go buy yourself a couple of button down shirts at Big C for 200 Baht each.
After that it's just a matter of smiling beautifully and speaking well. I've never had a problem taking a girl to the location of my choice. Yes Sir! Mick's right!
Also, I'm sure there's at least one other NON-FROG posting here. ;)
poster . . .
P.S. Hey G-Mann, i sent a reply to you concerning my next act of penance.
[QUOTE=PosterLion]...
Also, I'm sure there's at least one other NON-FROG posting here. ;)
poster . . .
P.S. Hey G-Mann, i sent a reply to you concerning my next act of penance.[/QUOTE]PosterLion,
Welcome back. LOL.
You are a prince, and I am sure about that. I am amongst the frogs ... :).
See you soon.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]...
Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. I find picking up free-lancers very easy because of the extremely poor quality of most of the guys that I am competing against.
...
[/QUOTE]Mick Licker,
I needed some time to recover from the ROFLMAO attack when I read that. "...because of the extremely poor quality...".
Yep, nothing to add.
The [forum] sharks will now tear you apart. Oh, sorry, I mean the frogs... You then come to the Swimming Pool Party to Livingstone's, my Prince. Let's have some fun :) .
Giotto
Evil, kudos on your magnificent reports, they're a pleasure to read. I love the clever turns of phrase ("a flourish of strumpets" is my fave) and the evocative writing. Well done, keep on writing!
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel][i]Please note- this report will make a lot more sense if you have first read [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500292&postcount=1198] Part 1[/url], [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=501708&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post501708] Part 2 [/url] and [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=625922&highlight=Nana+Car+Park#post625922]Part 3 [/url].
Evil (and thanks for your patience if you make it through this one!) [/i][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Guys, its easy to be a "prince" among "frogs" even without being incredibly good looking. [/QUOTE][Sobbing] well, I have to admit, I AM a Frog. It's pretty obvious, one just needs a quick glance at my name LOL [end of Sobbing]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][Sobbing] well, I have to admit, I AM a Frog. It's pretty obvious, one just needs a quick glance at my name LOL [end of Sobbing]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?[/QUOTE]
Now now... je ne suis pas un grenouille mais je les aime!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?[/QUOTE]
The girl was probably scared to stay in Thermae by herself.
I think I would've taken both rather than wait.
I know that Vietnam or Cambodia is the place to find them, but I am going to be in BKK. I am just wondering if there are any places that might have Viet girls?
Thanks in advance
It had been many a year since the Shooter visited Bangkok. After a particularly doleful period in various unpleasant places, he decided that it would be a rejuvenating, energising, and above all, testicle-emptying experience.
Reading an article on China, he noted that expats now refer to Beijing as “The Jing”. So surely it is highly appropriate to call BKK “The Kok”.
The Shooter had only a few days to spare, and fearing to mingle with the tattoo-and-chips holiday brigade, he opted to treat himself to a business class bum-lodging on Emirates, and 5-start billeting at the JW Marriott. The Shooter can confirm previous reports that this is an excellent hotel, and totally guest friendly. However, if what you are seeking is purely a commodious sleep-and–shagging station, at THB6800 there are surely more cost-effective alternatives.
The trip from airport to hotel was simplicity itself. Downstairs to the taxi rank. The cute young attendant asked what hotel, she wrote it on a slip of paper and handed it over with a prolonged unsmiling gaze. In the UK, it would be interpreted as a “death stare”, but that doesn’t exist in Asian culture. What could it mean? The Shooter shrugged it off, and 15 mins and THB400 later, he was at the hotel.
By 2pm the Shooter was ready to prowl. But what would be the perfect initialisation routine? The Shooter had performed a massive amount of research, but had committed the cardinal error of failing to design an itinerary. So where to go first? Analysis Paralysis. Fortunately, the Shooter’s long-time wingman, the Accountant had arrived the day before. An intensely logical fellow, he would be sure to find the optimum solution.
The afternoon timing suggested a massage joint. Soapy or oily? If oily, what point along the ‘sexiness’ scale should one go? Having just disembarked from a long journey, a legit massage was logical, but one with a guaranteed happy ending. Hence Sazanka was selected. In retrospect, the Eden Club would have been a better choice. Get the ‘Big One’ out of the way first, when the fuel tank is full; otherwise you never feel quite up to it.
Sazanka was easy to find in Washington Square. But at 4pm there were few choices, only about 5 ladies. Each had a rating. The Shooter selected the top-ranked one, but that was the somewhat unimpressive score of 28%. She was cute until she smiled. Nature had not nurtured her knashers. A case of unorthodox orthodontics. The desirability of a BJ receded in the Shooter’s mind.
Note that this joint has a 2-location massage. First upstairs to disrobe. Then downstairs to the wet room. This is where you are washed, scrubbed and salted. Then back upstairs for the massage, which is mostly under hot towels. This is how the Koreans like it, apparently. The Shooter was unimpressed. The guy down the hall was having fun however: gales of laughter. Probably he got Miss 72%.
Well, Sazanka has received some serious praise on this forum, but the Shooter’s experience was average. This is not a place to include in a 4-day itinerary. YMMV. Massage is intended to be invigorating & cleansing, which it is, but it is definitely not sensual. The HJ was skilful but impersonal. She sat at the end of the massage table so that the ‘feel-up’ facility was unavailable.
Above all, do not visit a HJ parlour with several days’ sperm inventory – you just cannot hold it for long and you miss out on the delicious build-up techniques so glowingly described by previous posters.
Cost was THB1380 for the ‘full monty’ 2 hour massage. Tipped 500.
How had the Accountant fared? As a massage aficionado, surely his experience was superior. Imagine the Shooter’s amazement when he meekly confessed that despite strenuous and skilful ministrations, his member had not coughed. This was not due to shagged-out syndrome. The Accountant applies the same rigid control to his jism as his finances. There can be no outgoings unless he is in control. Which means he has never come from a HJ or BJ, unless self-administered. But he really enjoyed it anyway, and he tipped 300, as calculated by his computer model. Truly a rare individual.
The strenuous massage and the sudden loss of semen had left the Shooter in dire need of sustenance. So on the way back to the hotel the intrepid duo stopped off at Nana Entertainment Plaza. The beer bars were full, so hopped over the road to Annie’s Bar. Spotted the legendary Annie’s Massage close by; made a note. Annie’s Bar was very quiet, but the Accountant was soon enraptured by a slim 19-year-old with a different ‘look’. He soon set about enticing her back to his lair; not too difficult a task, surmised the Shooter.
The Shooter was lumbered with her 24-year-old mate, whose scintillating conversation included nary a word of English. Nevertheless, there was a connection, she possessed a certain je ne said quoi, and the Shooter readily agreed to the Accountant’s proposition of a short time at the hotel. He applied the Black-Scholes formula to derive the ST price of 1500.
Back to Marriott to test out the bedsprings for the first time. What an excellent experience. Grappling like teenagers on the bed, followed by a fumbling disrobing, and the delightful discovery of a very wet pussy. Welcome to Thailand. No time for a shower, straight into sucky fucky in many and varied positions, eventually completing in highly satisfactory fashion. Tremendous stuff and real GFE.
At last the Shooter realised why people like to come to Thailand. Why the fuck did he arrange only a 4 day sojourn?
The Accountant’s experience was similar. He took her number and estimated at 87.4% chance of hooking up with her again.
There was still time to catch a few beers in NEP. Hit several bars. Some sucked and some didn’t. Angelwitch was the best of those visited. The Shooter was pleased to note that his ladyboy radar was fully operational, even after many years’ absence. In this respect he was able to rescue the hapless Accountant from several unwise hook-ups.
It was fun to stand in the street and watch the zoo at closing time. Men, women katoeys and elephants. Buzzed by sex & alcohol, the Shooter was in benign spirits. Bless ‘em all, the long and the tall and the short. Surprisingly, the last chance saloon of Nana car park contained several stunners. Nonetheless, the Accountant counselled conservation of remaining body fluids until the morrow, so he and the Shooter trudged back to the hotel alone and happy.
Thus endeth the Shooter’s missive of his first day in the ‘Kok. More to follow.
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I've been a long time visitor to Bangkok however I have noticed an alarming trend in the attitude ti bar fines in both the Nana and Soi Cowboy bars.
Ofter my flight arrives late at night and I like to catch a drink at one of the bars before closing time. Naturally if a tasty morsel caught my eye there would be a pleasant end to the evening.
In days gone by, the closer it got to closing time, the cheaper the bar fine but I've noticed over the past year that even up to 1.30 am, some bars are charging the full fine. Recently Rainbow 1 asked me for 600 Baht at 1.45am!
Has anyone else come across this startling development?
reading the forums from afar, the shooter has always been fascinated by the famed institution that is unique to bangkok – the bj bar. surely this is a subject that a zealous national geographic journalist should thoroughly analyse. how does it feel to drink a beer while being blown? is it fan-bloody-tastic or just plain sleazy? what kind of girl works there? does she thpeak with a lithp? what about the bj technique: is it out of this world? does the golf ball really fit through the hosepipe?
above all, is it something you really want to do? after all, you can pick up a girl from anywhere, take her back to your room and prod her chin with your dickhead. why go to a special bar just to do that?
discussing options with the accountant, he computed only an 8.2% chance that he would enjoy it. he likes bj’s but never to completion. and he prefers sexual congress to occur in his lair/room and definitely not in some dingy bar. nevertheless, the shooter concluded that it is an essential component of any man’s experiential portfolio.
so off they trudged to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] off soi 8. good thing about staying on sukhumvit is that you can easily explore on foot and find all these places that are tucked into various nooks and crannies. and while you’re looking for one place, you find all sorts of others. sort of like the internet. click on one thing and you find another. until you've totally fucking forgotten what it was you were looking for. passed by a barber’s shop with several cuties in mini-skirts. resolved to visit that one later.
anyways, the shooter has an unerring sense of direction as far as booze and sex are concerned, so he and the accountant were marching into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] within 2 shakes of a lamb's tail. a gaggle of giggling girls were sitting outside in schoolgirl uniform. not realising that one can pick one’s cutie from the assembled throng, the duo ventured into the bar and ordered their beers. two girls came in to sell their services.
the shooter’s girl was short and chubby. one would never barfine her in a million years, but in this kind of joint, the top two feet is all that counts, and that contained a nice face and large mammaries. her cheerful demeanour and youthful appearance belied a massive seven years experience in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. only one girl had been there longer.
so upstairs it was, unlock the door and into the curtained cubicle. en route the shooter espied several pairs of feet sticking out from under the curtains; two small soles together and two larger feet further apart. rhythmic motion in the curtains. no noise: pure concentration one supposes. surreal. the shooter recalled his many years at work as a dilbert-style cubicle warrior. the pathetic jealousies and petty turf wars. could this be the same planet?
the cubicle contained a sofa and a floor pad for the girl to rest her knees. the shooter disrobed fully, sat on a towel on the sofa and sipped his beer. the girl went to work. not much ball-work, very phallo-centric. up and down, simulating sex in a vagina. no special techniques, just prolonged, effortless and relentless rhythm. plenty of handwork in conjunction.
the shooter sipped his beer and enjoyed the moment. after 2000 moments (the accountant timed it) little shooter coughed his guts. she took it all, then spat it discreetly into a tissue. she looked up and smiled sweetly. the smile reminded the shooter of one supercilious secretary who was proud of her dictation technique. change the spelling to dick-tation and you have a sort of equivalency.
the shooter staggered back down the stairs on spongy knees. the accountant was still in the bar. he liked his girl but would not countenance an on-site experience. the bar fine was outside his price-performance ratio, so he did not indulge. this is a guy whose annual remuneration exceeds the gdp of many countries.
anyways, the accountant reckons that a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] after sex reduces the chance of std by 38%. so off to the bathroom to execute a no.1 and a dickwash. then it’s 700 baht to the management, 300 for the girl, and a further pittance for the beers. the accountant explained why the owner of the means of production garners the lion's share, while the worker gets shafted. but the shooter's smaller brain failed to comprehend: if the worker is a gobbler, and the master of the gobblers (master-gobbler) is a capitalist, isn't it all gobblers?
anyways, onwards & upwards. back onto the street, ignored the siren calls from the various massage joints on soi 8. into the barber shop on sukumvit. very tasty attendants, including the manageress, who also runs a pub called top ten.
as is his custom, the shooter took the full monty option: haircut, manicure, pedicure, ear cleaning and facial. great to have 3 cuties pandering to one’s every need, like a medieval nabob. the facial was a mistake however: with your eyes closed you miss out on the flirting opportunities. no extras on offer, just a pleasant experience.
the accountant went upstairs for a ttm. no extras, but good service and as usual he secured her number for a possible future interview.
back to the hotel for ‘cocktail hour’ in the executive lounge. a few chardonnays and quick kip. next stop soi cowboy. unfortunately got there a bit late so no time to bar hop extensively.
first stop was baccara. the shooter wisely took position right at the stage, for the optimal viewing angle through the glass ceiling. the accountant noted the interesting statistic that although the girls were sans panties, you can see their pussies only 14% of the time. there was a tremendous dancer on stage, terrific figure, but the boat race had a bit of mileage. the accountant figured a 99.8% probability she is not a virgin.
back onto the soi. unfortunately the accountant’s computer model did not contain the possibility of a bloody great elephant on the street, and sure enough he staggered right into it, ricocheting off its arse. hilarious.
next stop long gun. some seriously attractive girls in here, including several with a very substantial titty endowment. however the shooter failed to catch their attention. playing hard to get? still, a lot more fun that the shooter is used to. cold beers, good company and an endless pussy parade. there comes a point in such an evening when worries, antagonisms and problems disappear and the universe suddenly makes sense. tony blair always tells the truth, gordon brown never stole from your wallet, and george bush is a fucking genius.
enjoying the ambience, the shooter was uncharacteristically slow in acquiring female company. however, by closing time he and the accountant have been pulled. agree to meet them in the after hours bar at penny black.
at the penny black, got in the lift with a pocket venus with a sweet smile. delightful titty-jiggle when she walked. the two girls from long gun didn’t show. the shooter tried his luck with titty-jiggle, who was drinking and playing pool with some thai guys. she was very receptive, but didn’t want to leave, preferring to play pool. the shooter was confused by the mixed signals, and was amazed to see her the next night dancing in shark. great figure, much more sexy in a dress than almost naked. the accountant speculated a 65% probability she had already st’d a punter and didn’t need the business. if the shooter had persevered and stayed to play pool, she would have deigned to sleep with him. for a consideration of 2k baht or so.
the shooter and the accountant decided to walk back to nana to shop at the car park. however, on leaving soi cowboy they were immediately assailed at an unofficial bar right on the corner of sukhumvit. it appears that a large chunk of sukhumvit is an open air after-hours bar. only in thailand.
the girls here were really bubbly and one had a fantastic rack, so there was no choice but to stop for an interview. everyone gets on like a house on fire and a hotel assignation is soon arranged. the accountant computes the correct price for pseudo-lt (lt from 4am) is 1500, to which the girls agree. unbelievably, there is a bar fine to pay. but the mamasan has a straight face and its only 500, so wtf.
the shooter’s girl had a great personality and a wonderful body. great tits. but her sack performance sucked. and she didn’t: a no-fellatio-zone. isn’t that against the thai trades description act? which pissed the shooter off and he couldn’t come. so off with condom, on with the body lotion and the titty fucking. that didn’t work, cos she couldn’t hold her tits properly. so tried some thigh-fucking. nice smooth and soft skin, but just couldn’t bust the nut. so fucked her armpit. kneeling behind her, pulled the dick a little sideways so the head was no longer in her armpit but coming out at her upper arm, pointing at her face. then fired the cannon. all over the face and hair. har har, payback time. she was not amused, but the shooter was.
the accountant’s experience with his girl was much more positive. “intense and comprehensive” was his pithy description.
another day over. two more to go. will report later.
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I know that Vietnam or Cambodia is the place to find them, but I am going to be in BKK. I am just wondering if there are any places that might have Viet girls?
Sam,
I did meet some girl(s) from Laos at Gulliver's Sukhumvit Soi 5. She's a freelancer. Can't remember her name. There may be others but can't be positive about it. Sorry
take care and have fun.
Taka
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]She seemed to understand and we just sat embracing for a long time, each of us pondering the odd but appropriate way life sometimes works...
...But the conversations we had I count among my absolute best mongering memories. Somehow, the trip to the hospital had created a bond between us.For those few days, it did seem like we had surmounted a lot of the barriers that separate older mongers from Thai girls - age, culture and language among the foremost.
[center][b]-End-[/b][/center][/QUOTE]That was a facinating story Evil. Thank you for sharing. Your writing and story telling skill is something to be admired. I agree with you in that some of my best mongering memories is not of the sex but just of the time shared between two people. Don't get me wrong, the sex is awesome and is the biggest reason why I come BKK, but in my short mongering career, I've met and befriended some of the sweetest gals in Thailand. Yes, they're engaged in the world's oldest profession but that doesn't make them any less of a person. Like you said, life works in odd ways and that's what make life beautiful.
[QUOTE=PosterLion]
Therefore, I'd just like to say that ML is 100% correct. It's easy! Just take a shower, keep your nails well clipped, and go buy yourself a couple of button down shirts at Big C for 200 Baht each.
After that it's just a matter of smiling beautifully and speaking well. I've never had a problem taking a girl to the location of my choice. Yes Sir! Mick's right!
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Indeed, that advice would do well for any guy with any girl, pro or otherwise. A little hygiene and a little charm go a darn long way... The chicks, Thai or otherwise, are still people. Just like if you stink and have a bad attitude, the cashier at the Safeway won't be friendly, expect a provider in a much more intimate service industry like our preferred entertainment (heh) to also prefer that the customer isn't repulsive. hah.
The Rainbow group will charge a full barfine even one minute before closing. I experienced the same problem at the Rainbow 4? (the one on the second floor).
Misty's A Go Go in Pattaya is the same way. Some Pattaya bars reduce the barfine as the evening goes on.
[QUOTE=Sad Sam]I know that Vietnam or Cambodia is the place to find them, but I am going to be in BKK. I am just wondering if there are any places that might have Viet girls?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]
Try Gulliver's on Sukhumvit Soi 5. I have seen several Viet free lancers in the afternoon.
Having an even better time in BKK this time around. The other day had a lady long time 24 hours. Maybe a six overall on a scale of one to ten, ten being the best looking. Typicly these types perform better than the hotties in my experience. She was like so many other Thai women that are in over abundnce here, slim, long straight black hair, thick lips, which I love for blowjobs etc. We spent around five hours kissing and screwing in various positions, which she seemed right into. Never asked me to hurry up and cum. When I didn't blast off, as I prefer, she was happy to massage my little toy for another hour. Total damage 4500 Baht. Was this too much?
Very much enjoyed your report and writing style. Looking forward to the next one. Keep up the good work!
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy][Sobbing] well, I have to admit, I AM a Frog. It's pretty obvious, one just needs a quick glance at my name LOL [end of Sobbing]
I am not very much in the Freelancer market, but why would you have to wait until the other girl got a client?[/QUOTE]
Apologies to any who thought Frogs had anything to do with French although I am reminded that French and Thai people see no reason not to eat Frogs.
I have had Frog for dinner too.
Anyway Giotto assures me that Nic Frenchy is indeed a Prince. Perhaps we will meet soon. Unfortunately its still 4 weeks till I'm back in Thailand.
"Prince among frogs", was just an old old saying that means its easy to look good in a crowd of arseholes that I have witnessed in the Nana car park, even for an old block like me.
Sorry to generalise too, its just that some of the guys there speak to girls in extremely ugly manner.
P.S. I rarely go for freelancers these days. However if I'm really horny and its really late and everything is closed, I have been known to pick up from anywhere I can find someone that appeals, but I'm still choosy.
Please keep them coming and all the best to the Accountant when you see him next
Biz
[QUOTE=PinkPearl] Total damage 4500 Baht. Was this too much?[/QUOTE]
Only by about 3,000 THB
Greetings all,
Haven't been in BKK for 2 years now and it drives me crazy. Out of desparation I picked up a fantasitic set of detective novels by John Burdett called Bangkok 8, Bangkok Tattoo, and Bangkok Haunts. If you like that type of reading do them in that order. All about us farang and how strange we appear to the locals.
Do you ever wonder about what goes on inside the head of that sweet little lady you are banging with all of your might? These books spell it out with amazing insight. Here is his website with some previous articles. Guess you could say I'm a new fan.
After all, nobody can screw all the time.
[url]http://www.john-burdett.com/category/articles/[/url]
Since most relate mostly negative experiences about their hotel stays, I'll go against the flow and tell of a very good one that happened to me in Bangkok last year. I had made a 2 days stopover in BKK before going to Cambodia and stayed at the holiday inn in silom. I usually keep my stuff in the safe or in the hotel safe and some spare cash hidden away in the room in various locations, in this case it may have been in an envelope stuck to the bottom of a drawer or stashed in the bkk yellow pages.
Anyway the stay was short and hassle free -except there's a joiner's fee after 10 pm, which can be circumvented when the girl you take looks ok enough to pass for your legit wife, like the secretary I'd pulled that night from the beergarten.
So a couple days later I land in PP, check my mail and there was a message from the hotel assistant manager asking if I hadn't forgotten anything in the room as they had found, read this, cash money. I replied that indeed, I had forgotten to retrieve my stash (I hadn't even noticed it yet), but I'd totally forgotten about it, the remaining change from 500 euros playmoney, thus somewhere between 15 and 20k bath... he quoted me something like 17 or 18k and change, found by a cleaning lady and duly reported upon. As I'd booked online they had my email and contacted me asap. I didn't stay there again (ungrateful SOB that I am) but picked it up a few weeks later on my way out of asia. ID thoroughly checked, a receipt signed for and a 500 bath tip to the cleaning lady, the least I could do.
Sorry for the newbie question. This forum is 500+ pages and I read the last 10 or so pages.
Are you allowed to take pictures inside or outside the the bars in the red light districts in Bangkok? Will they try to break your camera if you try?
[QUOTE=LuvDaPuss]Greetings all -
Do you ever wonder about what goes on inside the head of that sweet little lady you are banging with all of your might?[/QUOTE]Nothing. These girls are as dumb as posts. The deepest thought that might be going through her head is, "I'm hungry. Maybe, I'll get some som tam, khao nieo, gai yang after I finish."
Guys,
I am sure this is no secret to most of you big time Thai mongerers, but the aforementioned book is simply fantastic, a great eye opener and gives great insight into the circumstances and mindset of go-go bar girls and us farangs. As it says on the book's jacket (a bit cheesy on the jacket but having read it it is true): this reading should be made compulsory to every westerner setting foot in thailand. A classic.
Can't remember the name of the author (Stephen something).
Cheers
Will be making first trip to BKK in a few days. Will be there for only two nights, one day. Would appreciate any guidance. I am an older monger who is not looking for bargains. Looking for quality and like to avoid excess noise, hassle and annoyance. Would like to check out some nude dancing and an MP or possibly take out for the main event. Staying at the JW Marriott. I know I will be told by some that there is plenty of information on the board and that I should do my research. Have been doing it, but there is an overhelming amount of information on BKK, and I thought someone might be kind enough to distill it for me a little.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Nothing. These girls are as dumb as posts. The deepest thought that might be going through her head is, "I'm hungry. Maybe, I'll get some som tam, khao nieo, gai yang after I finish."[/QUOTE]
I must say that this attitude puts us all in a bad light. I was very pleasantly surprised to get into some much deeper conversations with one of the ladies with whom I spent my time during my past couple of trips to LOS. Turns out that she travels extensively, and had just returned from a trip to Cambodia, and had just cancelled a trip to Myanmar, and was very eager to discuss with me the dichotomy of the grandeur of Angkor Wat, and the absolute poverty of the Cambodian people, and the repression and revolt in Myanmar. Her English, entirely self-taught, is nearly completely fluent. We also had many a conversation about the fact that Thai men do no like smart, independent women, but many Farangs do. She was, all in all, a very thoughtful lady, whom I happily spend time with doing other things besides shagging her. Open your mind a bit, you might be pleasantly surprised and learn a little something.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]I must say that this attitude puts us all in a bad light. I was very pleasantly surprised to get into some much deeper conversations with one of the ladies with whom I spent my time during my past couple of trips to LOS. Turns out that she travels extensively, and had just returned from a trip to Cambodia, and had just cancelled a trip to Myanmar, and was very eager to discuss with me the dichotomy of the grandeur of Angkor Wat, and the absolute poverty of the Cambodian people, and the repression and revolt in Myanmar. Her English, entirely self-taught, is nearly completely fluent. We also had many a conversation about the fact that Thai men do no like smart, independent women, but many Farangs do. She was, all in all, a very thoughtful lady, whom I happily spend time with doing other things besides shagging her. Open your mind a bit, you might be pleasantly surprised and learn a little something.[/QUOTE]
Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.
I live here and am with Thai women every day, most of whom have PhDs and even they aren't all that bright. My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron. As a professor, I deal with Thai university students all the time and therefore can speak with great authority about the lack of intelligence of Thais. If the best and brightest aren't all that intelligent, what do you think the chances are that some uneducated bargirl has any brains at all? After 11 years of teaching, my general opinion of Thais is that they aren't very smart. In recent studies, they've found that the average 15 y.o. Thai ranks between 17 and 20 percentiles below a comparable teenager in the West in intelligence tests.
While there are always exceptions, most Farang working here, especially teachers have a rather pessimistic outlook for the future of the country based on experiences with Thai students and working with Thais.
Your couple of visits and your very atypical experience doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on my opinion which is based on in depth and daily experience. I suggest that if you spent any length of time talking with a wide variety of even just Thai girls in P4P, you'd find that they are mind-numbingly boring beyond belief. I'm not saying that Thai girls from any walk of life aren't pleaseant to be around. They are great to be with and certainly far more pleasant that most Western women. But, the notion of actually carrying on anything remotely approaching an intelligent conversation with the vast majority of Thai women is just laughable. I find that a lot of Farang who live here, especially those unfortunates who have hooked up with a former BG delude themselves into thinking that their mates are "salts of the earth" and have "street smarts" which they equate with intelligence. What it is in reality is a huge compromise as well as a dumbing-down of the Farangs themselves, especially those that have exiled themselves to some bum-fuck village upcountry.
While I have intelligent students in every class who are equal to anything one would encounter in the West, they tend to have been educated in International schools and therefore are outside the norm.
Products of any level of the Thai education system, including bargirls aren't capable of or interested in much in-depth thought. I stand by my opinion. Enjoy their company. But, don't go looking to discuss anything worthwhile with them.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.
I live here and am with Thai women every day, most of whom have PhDs and even they aren't all that bright. My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron. As a professor, I deal with Thai university students all the time and therefore can speak with great authority about the lack of intelligence of Thais. If the best and brightest aren't all that intelligent, what do you think the chances are that some uneducated bargirl has any brains at all? After 11 years of teaching, my general opinion of Thais is that they aren't very smart. In recent studies, they've found that the average 15 y.o. Thai ranks between 17 and 20 percentiles below a comparable teenager in the West in intelligence tests.
While there are always exceptions, most Farang working here, especially teachers have a rather pessimistic outlook for the future of the country based on experiences with Thai students and working with Thais.
Your couple of visits and your very atypical experience doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on my opinion which is based on in depth and daily experience. I suggest that if you spent any length of time talking with a wide variety of even just Thai girls in P4P, you'd find that they are mind-numbingly boring beyond belief. I'm not saying that Thai girls from any walk of life aren't pleaseant to be around. They are great to be with and certainly far more pleasant that most Western women. But, the notion of actually carrying on anything remotely approaching an intelligent conversation with the vast majority of Thai women is just laughable. I find that a lot of Farang who live here, especially those unfortunates who have hooked up with a former BG delude themselves into thinking that their mates are "salts of the earth" and have "street smarts" which they equate with intelligence. What it is in reality is a huge compromise as well as a dumbing-down of the Farangs themselves, especially those that have exiled themselves to some bum-fuck village upcountry.
While I have intelligent students in every class who are equal to anything one would encounter in the West, they tend to have been educated in International schools and therefore are outside the norm.
Products of any level of the Thai education system, including bargirls aren't capable of or interested in much in-depth thought. I stand by my opinion. Enjoy their company. But, don't go looking to discuss anything worthwhile with them.[/QUOTE]
I am also in the Thai university system in an extremely highly rated program and agree with the conclusions expressed by OTH. The IQ testing at age 15 places the average Thai at 89-92 points, where the range in the western countries is 100-110.
Combine this with a lack of real world experience from other cultures and the severe burden Thai society places on people at all points in the social hierarchy, and it is hard to find many people with balanced views of the outside world. Even those from International schools and high school educations from abroad are hard-pressed to push through problem solving. The absence of creative thought is a whole other thing.
Don't get me wrong, there are some really smart kids in my classes and they have all had to do well on international standardized tests for admission. There are some great young minds in staring back at me in each of my classes, but there is something missing from the makeup. Intellectual curiosity is pretty well absent, as is analytical rigour.
Cleverness is not an admired quality in this society and reading is not practiced (the Bangkok newspaper last year reported that the average Thai reads 4 lines of text per day). Reading is not part of the culture, but Thais watch more hours of television each week than any other people in the world. The Philippines is number two, and in both countries the shows are goofy game shows, melodramas (mostly about infidelity and female rivaly) and dumbed-down movies like ghost stories and gore.
There is no place like this place, any place. And the girls in the P4P world are those with the worst educations and the least opportunity. You were lucky to find an intelligent conversation in the English language - you would have trouble repeating that some days in the faculty lounge at my high ranking university.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.
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While there are always exceptions, most Farang working here, especially teachers have a rather pessimistic outlook for the future of the country based on experiences with Thai students and working with Thais.
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I stand by my opinion. Enjoy their company. But, don't go looking to discuss anything worthwhile with them.[/QUOTE]
Look I met a Thai girl, probably the same one, who was widely travelled could speak German and English fluently and looked quite good, but she couldn't hold on to a steady boyfriend becaise she a loose cavenous pussy.
Sex was poor.
My GF is not super smart. Smartness wasn't a big selection criterion. Being easy to get on with seems more important.
Thai girls don't need supreme intellegence to separate out the better guys from the complete dickheads/arseholes.
[QUOTE=Logos]Since most relate mostly negative experiences about their hotel stays, I'll go against the flow and tell of a very good one that happened to me in Bangkok last year. I had made a 2 days stopover in BKK before going to Cambodia and stayed at the holiday inn in silom. I usually keep my stuff in the safe or in the hotel safe and some spare cash hidden away in the room in various locations, in this case it may have been in an envelope stuck to the bottom of a drawer or stashed in the bkk yellow pages.
Anyway the stay was short and hassle free -except there's a joiner's fee after 10 pm, which can be circumvented when the girl you take looks ok enough to pass for your legit wife, like the secretary I'd pulled that night from the beergarten.
So a couple days later I land in PP, check my mail and there was a message from the hotel assistant manager asking if I hadn't forgotten anything in the room as they had found, read this, cash money. I replied that indeed, I had forgotten to retrieve my stash (I hadn't even noticed it yet), but I'd totally forgotten about it, the remaining change from 500 euros playmoney, thus somewhere between 15 and 20k bath... he quoted me something like 17 or 18k and change, found by a cleaning lady and duly reported upon. As I'd booked online they had my email and contacted me asap. I didn't stay there again (ungrateful SOB that I am) but picked it up a few weeks later on my way out of asia. ID thoroughly checked, a receipt signed for and a 500 bath tip to the cleaning lady, the least I could do.[/QUOTE]
My ex GF (long ago) lost her wallet in the bus containing a very large amount of cash (against my advice). The Thai bus cleaner handed it in without even looking how much was in there I guess, so she unexpectedly got it back 2 hours later. There are absolutely honest Thai people (but not all) as in any other Country
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Sorry. But, you're a visitor and just happened to luck out and find a very rare commodity.....
Your couple of visits and your very atypical experience doesn't qualify you to pass judgement on my opinion which is based on in depth and daily experience. [/QUOTE]
OTH, I was taking issue with your broad brush generalization where you stated that "nothing" was going through her head, as "these girls are as dumb as posts". Even if that is PREDOMINANTLY accurate, it is surely not ALWAYS accurate. And I reitterate, that if you had an open mind about it, you would find exceptions to this generalizations.
I have been to LOS about 8 times, and have spent around 6 months in the country over the past few years. In that time, I have surely shagged well over a hundred women. And in that time, I have met 3 of them who had enough going on upstairs that I would have or in fact did consider a more substantial relationship than to just bang and pay. My point is simply that there are always exceptions to the type of sweeping generalization that you made, and we are all better off to keep that in mind.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]Guys,
I am sure this is no secret to most of you big time Thai mongerers, but the aforementioned book is simply fantastic, a great eye opener and gives great insight into the circumstances and mindset of go-go bar girls and us farangs. As it says on the book's jacket (a bit cheesy on the jacket but having read it it is true): this reading should be made compulsory to every westerner setting foot in thailand. A classic.
Can't remember the name of the author (Stephen something).
Cheers[/QUOTE]Mandiri,
Yep.
The only problem with this book is - it is 698 years old. Somebody knows Klaus? That is an interesting story, isn't it?
Giotto
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...
I live here and am with Thai women every day, most of whom have PhDs and even they aren't all that bright. My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron.
...[/QUOTE]Old Thai Hand,
I don't have PhD. And I am not a Moron. And not Thai.
Do you want to marry me?
Giotto
[QUOTE=Member #2041]OTH, I was taking issue with your broad brush generalization where you stated that "nothing" was going through her head, as "these girls are as dumb as posts". Even if that is PREDOMINANTLY accurate, it is surely not ALWAYS accurate. And I reitterate, that if you had an open mind about it, you would find exceptions to this generalizations.
I have been to LOS about 8 times, and have spent around 6 months in the country over the past few years. In that time, I have surely shagged well over a hundred women. And in that time, I have met 3 of them who had enough going on upstairs that I would have or in fact did consider a more substantial relationship than to just bang and pay. My point is simply that there are always exceptions to the type of sweeping generalization that you made, and we are all better off to keep that in mind.[/QUOTE]
Member,
OTH is not the only poster who makes sweeping generalizations about Thai woman, men and other Asians. This thread is predominantly the domain of those from the US, Australia, Europe and Canada. They are frequent visitors and english language skilled countries. I think most of them are standup guys, but the "I'm superior crowd", put's a bad face on those from those countries. I see it week after week, that some derogatory remark is made about Asians, and none made about Caucasians.
I may start posting a comparable comment regarding Caucasians, for every deragatory comment regarding Asians, if that is what it will take to highlight this problem. See Evil's recent posts as an example. I generally like his story telling posts, and believe for the most part that he is a gentleman, but I draw the line at his sweeping generalizations of Asians. He has a blind spot in this regard. It's ironic that he understands there is no universal agreement in terms of beauty, but seems to have universal views regarding Asians.
Asians have their own websites in their native languages and are for the most part, not here to defend themselves. I find some of the pompous comments by these racist types, a sign of pure ignorance. After years of this, I am quite frankly, getting tired of it. I do believe some of their comments are made simply to get a rise out of people, to add some excitement to their otherwise boring lives. Who knows.
Unfortunately, these type of people just don't care who they offend, and I doubt it will stop. Maybe reporting them to Jackson is the only answer or maybe restricting their dumb ass race related views to the Fight Club thread.
AT2
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Nothing. These girls are as dumb as posts. The deepest thought that might be going through her head is, "I'm hungry. Maybe, I'll get some som tam, khao nieo, gai yang after I finish."[/QUOTE]
Or maybe they're often thinking something along the lines of: "If I act as dumb as a post, I can keep this nosy, arrogant old farang out of my head. And hopefully he'll get bored quickly, fuck off and leave me be." :D
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Or maybe they're often thinking something along the lines of: "If I act as dumb as a post, I can keep this nosy, arrogant old farang out of my head. And hopefully he'll get bored quickly, fuck off and leave me be." :D[/QUOTE]
Funny. :)
AsiaTraveler
You clearly didn't read my post closely enough and obviously didn't understand what I was specifically talking about.
I wasn't criticizing Asian intelligence, but Thai intelligence. It has nothing to do with racism at all. It is an attitude developed from teaching thousands of Thai students and working with hundreds of Thais over almost a dozen years.
In contrast, I think the the Chinese, for example are among the most intelligent people in the world and probably will take over eventually. The best students in Thai schools are almost always the Thai-Chinese. The Thai-Thai students lag far behind and are uninterested in learning and generally are completely incapable of critical thought. I also admire the Vietnamese for their tenacity and drive to succeed and can say that some of my best students in the past were Vietnamese. I currently have some Taiwanese international students and they are kicking the shit out of the Thai students, not merely in intelligence, but skill, committment and maturity. Hand-in-hand with the Thais lack of intelligence is their incredible immaturity. That's a topic for another post. I could give thousands of examples.
I also agree that one could criticize large segments of the Caucasian population throughout the world and it seems that the biggest morons and knuckle-draggers from that group somehow find there way here on their yearly holidays.
Member 2041
They aren't sweeping generalizations when one has extremely extensive experience with the population and thus can draw a well-informed conclusion. Your experience in a mere 8 visits and the shagging of well over a 100 hookers (a very narrow segment of society) doesn't qualify you, in my book to make an assessment of the intelligence of Thai people. You have even stated in your post that in the well over 100 that you have met 3 that were intelligent. That's statistically a pretty insignifcant number. Sure, there are exceptions and I acknowledged that. But, unfortunately they are few and far between.
Overall, there is nothing arrogant or condescending about my comments. It's simply the truth based on years of continued experience. I didn't arrive here thinking I was superior and that Thais were stupid. But, if you work with them and certainly if you teach them (I should say 'TRY' to teach them) for any length of time, this is unfortunately the opinion you arrive at.
Anyway, I'm glad I could stir things up again. This board has been incredibly boring for a long time. If the Traveler is out there, maybe he could weigh in on this. I'm sure he'd side with the Thais, since he admires them so much. ;)
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
Member 2041
They aren't sweeping generalizations when one has extremely extensive experience with the population and thus can draw a well-informed conclusion. Your experience in a mere 8 visits and the shagging of well over a 100 hookers (a very narrow segment of society) doesn't qualify you, in my book to make an assessment of the intelligence of Thai people. You have even stated in your post that in the well over 100 that you have met 3 that were intelligent. That's statistically a pretty insignifcant number.[/QUOTE]
It's a more than sufficient number to prove that your sweeping generalization is not ALWAYS true, and is thus an example of prejudice on your part. Of course, the fact that you are obviously a bigot is clear to most folks other than yourself, but that is to be expected. The worst bigots are always the last to know how obnoxious their viewpoints are.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]It's a more than sufficient number to prove that your sweeping generalization is not ALWAYS true, and is thus an example of prejudice on your part. Of course, the fact that you are obviously a bigot is clear to most folks other than yourself, but that is to be expected. The worst bigots are always the last to know how obnoxious their viewpoints are.[/QUOTE]
You just don't seem to get it.
I'm an academic and therefore, I deal with the weight of overwhelming proof on any issue. 3 out of over 100 would hardly count in most studies. I would say that in fact, you're the one making sweeping generalizations based on your very limited experience. I never said that there weren't exceptions. Of course there are always exceptions. Of course there are intelligent Thais. But, if I examine your proof and round it down, for the sake of argument, you're saying that 3% are intelligent. That's not very convincing evidence to counter my opinion.
For all the horrified, self-righteous "PC" outsiders who seem to take exception to my view here, I'd like to put you in a Thai classroom for just a day, and see how your opinions hold up under the overbearing indifference and frustratingly uninterested students that one has to deal with. I'd like to see how your Pollyanna mindset would survive working with Thais day in, day out.
The only guy who seems to get it is Biz99 because he's in a similar situation as I, and can speak from the same INFORMED point-of-view.
A holiday somewhere, no matter how many times you visit is not the same as living there. You never really get an understanding of the culture or the people. I always find it amusing that you holiday makers can pass judgement, when you know nothing about the issue at hand. Hanging out, only with girls in P4P gives you almost zero insight into the country, the culture and its people. Even the retirees living down in Pattaya know shit about Thailand because they live in a bubble. And, I've already stated that most Farang guys stupid enough to move upcountry and live in their reformed, rent-a-ho GF's village have almost invariably gone through some dumbing -down process and have become as stupid as the natives.
There always seems to to be an unfounded-reverence for Thais, especially girls in P4P on this board. The threads are filled with whimpers of longing for a return to LOS. There is salivating over the imminent prospect of retiring to some hastily-erected shack in Pattaya so that one can spend one's twilight years toddling down to the bars to get a daily fix of the good life. All of it is a view of Thailand through rose-cloured glasses filtered, as they are with visions of cheap pussy. That's all well and good. But, most of you need a reality check. No place is in fact as good as it seems on holiday. Nor, are the people quite as wonderful as they may seem on what is in the end, a very cursory examination.
I do wonder why everyone is getting their knickers in a knot about this, though. You guys just come here to fuck hookers. Why do you care if they are intelligent and even think, or not, as long as they provide the service that you (over)pay for?
Gentlemen...if we're going to continue, should we move this over to the fight club?
[quote=old thai hand]you just don't seem to get it.
i'm an academic and therefore, i deal with the weight of overwhelming proof on any issue. 3 out of over 100 would hardly count in most studies. i would say that in fact, you're the one making sweeping generalizations based on your very limited experience. i never said that there weren't exceptions. of course there are always exceptions. of course there are intelligent thais. but, if i examine your proof and round it down, for the sake of argument, you're saying that 3% are intelligent. that's not very convincing evidence to counter my opinion.
for all the horrified, self-righteous "pc" outsiders who seem to take exception to my view here, i'd like to put you in a thai classroom for just a day, and see how your opinions hold up under the overbearing indifference and frustratingly uninterested students that one has to deal with. i'd like to see how your pollyanna mindset would survive working with thais day in, day out.
a holiday somewhere, no matter how many time you visit is not the same as living there. you never really get an understanding of the culture or the people. i always find it amusing that you holiday makers can pass judgement, when you know nothing about the issue at hand. hanging out, only with girls in p4p gives you almost zero insight into the country, the culture and its people. even the retirees living down in pattaya know shit about thailand because they live in a bubble. and, i've already stated that most farang guys stupid enough to move upcountry and live in their reformed, rent-a-ho gf's village have almost invariably gone through some dumbing -down process and have become as stupid as the natives.
the only guy who seems to get it is biz99 because he's in a similar situation as i, and can speak from the same informed point-of-view.
i do wonder why everyone is getting their knickers in a knot about this, though. you guys just come here to fuck hookers. why do you care if they are intelligent and even think, or not, as long as they provide the service that you (over)pay for?
gentlemen...if we're going to continue, should we move this over to the fight club?[/quote]
i get it fine. btw, since you apparently seem to think i'll be cowed by your supposed credentials, i'm a professional mathematical economist with advanced degrees in applied math, computer science and econometrics from a couple of the most distinguished universities on the planet. (hint, one's in the ivy league, the other is known as the place that gave us milton friedman, george stigler, gary becker, merton miller, etc, etc). oh, and 25 years in the field actually using those skills at senior levels in the private sector, prior to retiring in my late 40s to enjoy the assets i've accrued.
it happens to be a high-school level technical mistake to conclude from statistical preponderance of evidence about a general population that the specific trait applies to all members of that population - which is exactly what you did in this specific case. were you to make the same generalization you did here in a professional context before your peers (if there are any), you would be laughed out of the joint. what you actually did was demonstrate in the generalization you made that you are, in fact, a bigot.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Old Thai Hand,
I don't have PhD. And I am not a Moron. And not Thai.
Do you want to marry me?
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Having lived/worked in Thailand for a few years, it is apparent to me that OTH has some very valid and well constructed points. As I think about some of the characters I have had to deal with on my job in order to keep an army of misfits producing.....your offer of marriage looks better every day....possibly OTH should take you up on this.
Let's all just get along....move this over to the fight club......and continue on our quest (in this thread) for cheap, dumb pussy.
So, now that it's all said and done, who's got the bigger dick?
[quote=member #2041]
it happens to be a high-school level technical mistake to conclude from statistical preponderance of evidence about a general population that the specific trait applies to all members of that population - which is exactly what you did in this specific case.[/quote]
anal-retentive and somewhat obtuse aren't we? however, i'm not a statistician. so, you're probably correct.
i wasn't trying to hold my credentials over your head. that's not really key to the point, anyway. my having lived here for 11 years versus your eight visits and 100+ shags of a narrow sector of the populace, not to mention that i've never lived in some farang enclave, but have always been in the midst of thais and have daily experience with these people in a very intense way qualifies me to make educated, broad-based assumptions. your opinions based on your extremely limited experience as a visitor and absolutely no day-to-day living experience over any appreciable amount of time makes youre views irrelevant.
going back to my original comment (i.e. the girl is probably thinking of nothing more than eating) isn't actually that far from the likely scenario. when i first arrived here, i worked at the nation and the joke around the office was that when they weren't eating, the thais were usually talking about what they had just eaten and what they were going to eat next. having spent my first year in thailand in this work environment with everyone from lowly secretaries to celebrated journalists, i was amazed at the time at how shallow they all seemed given their apparent education and supposed intellect. and, while i'm really not trying for one upmanship on your bragging rights (shagging rights???), i've probably shagged well over 500 tgs and i don't think in all of those, i found too many who were worth talking to for more than a limited amount of time.
i still maintain that it is exceptional to find a thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with. as i have said, repeatedly, i agree with you that there are exceptions. but, they are rare. i know a 24 y.o. thai woman who was reading "the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of nanking" in english, no less. this is about an 800 page book. so, i was quite impressed with this and it has stayed with me for some time. the point of this is that it is so atypical that i will never forget it. if one encountered a 24 y.o. university-educated american woman reading such a book, it wouldn't be that surprising. here, however it's downright unique.
i don't really understand your steadfast belief that my opinion is bigotry. it's nothing of the sort. it's simply a conclusion based on a hell of a lot of experience.
Guys
I have been following this for a while and all I can say is, lay off OTH.
You have to know that this is one guy who has left his motherland in order to make (sorry, teach) the less intellectuals (some poster said the Thais score less on IQ ratings than Westerners) to come up to par. So he has embarked upon his missions, to f**k the less intelligent, Hi-So society students (but not his students but others in his college) so that hopefully they will become as smart as he is.
He never dates the darker girls (darker they are, the less intellectual they are, aren't they), has connections all the way up to the top, and in his few years in Thailand knows more about their culture than the natives. Yes sir, he is indeed an intellectual. (Though he couldn't compete with it in his homeland).
So, the rest of the visitors cannot even begin to be in his esteemed league. No sir, we visitors have even less IQ. So if we respect the Thais it always seems to to be an unfounded-reverence for Thais, P4P or otherwise. ( I never thought that respect equalled unfounded-reverance, but then what do I know, as a visitor).
So Member 2041, take it easy, will ya.
And Dr.G, of course OTH will marry you. You are a hansum' man.
Mr. Duni
While I know you have the utmost contempt for me and always have had, I continue to think you are a very humourous man. BTW, I left Canada because I hate snow, not because I couldn't make it at home. I did go back to the west in 2004-05 to see if I would like living and teaching there again and I found that I didn't. So, I came back to the tropics to educate the "unwashed" (LOL). To get my yearly "fix" of Western culture, I take a group of Thai university students to Europe on a study-abroad program. They don't measure up to comparable European students. But, it's a good experience for them, anyway.
My connections only go up to NEAR the top, and haven't afforded me any protection, just access to better-looking girls. My security, however may increase as I'm about to become a civil-servant and as everyone knows, civil-servants never get fired, but merely moved to inactive posts. I do know more than most Thais about their own culture, because as often happens in many places Thais rarely bother to learn more than the superficial trappings of their own culture, while someone like me has spent a great deal of time researching the back story of the culture.
and oh, Mr. G isn't THAT handsome. :)
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Having lived/worked in Thailand for a few years, it is apparent to me that OTH has some very valid and well constructed points. As I think about some of the characters I have had to deal with on my job in order to keep an army of misfits producing.....your offer of marriage looks better every day....possibly OTH should take you up on this.
Let's all just get along....move this over to the fight club......and continue on our quest (in this thread) for cheap, dumb pussy.[/QUOTE]
Lover Boy,
I do agree that any topic that mentions race, should automatically be posted in the fight club. This is not a "PC" issue. It goes much deeper than that. To presume OTH has a point, is only to agree that you wish Thai's to fall in line with Western thinking, because you are judging them by Western ideals.
That, in and of itself, is rather arrogant in my opinion.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]To presume OTH has a point, is only to agree that you wish Thai's to fall in line with Western thinking, because you are judging them by Western ideals. That, in and of itself, is rather arrogant in my opinion.AT2[/QUOTE]
...not Western thinking or ideals, but international educational standards which are well below par here, because it is not in the interests of the powers-that-be to have an educated, intelligent populace.
Actually, I don't think we should bother to move this to fight club, as there's nothing more to say. We have two opposing POVs that will never concede. Once again, I've pissed off the usual suspects, plus a few new ones, which is a good thing. But, what's the point of continuing bashing away at each other? Maybe you should all go back to debating the merits of Eden Club. I think that's more in line with the mandate of this board.
I'm new to this discussion and have no wish to provoke any diatribes, but as a sociologist, and one who has visited Thailand many times, I wonder if this whole argument isn't really ultimately about cultural values rather than statistics. Our (Western) concept of what constitutes an "intellectual" is so deeply rooted in Western culture, that it may be entirely inappropriate to compare even well-educated Thais to this particularistic standard.Perhaps Thai standards are different. I don't know enough about the culture to know. At any rate, judging intellectual capacity based on the number and type of reading materials seems fairly narrow and ethnocentric.
Just my two cents, but I could not resist commenting since I don't think that statistics, whether wrongly or correctly applied, illuminate this discussion at all.
GE
IMHO, this is an economic issue. If you go outside the richer areas of the country, look at the schools. Despite the robust economy in some areas, a majority of this country is still developing. The well to do in every country put their children either in private schools and get them in the best colleges and/or universities. I live in Hawaii, it is done here to da max because most public schools don't measure up to for example to an Orange County California School District but maybe better than a Mississippi school district (examples only). This horse is beaten to death already today. Time for the next subject :):)
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Only by about 3,000 THB[/QUOTE]I thought 1500 would be good for 5 hours of oil massage. Not 6 hours of just about anything goes, unless you're referring to Africa, Cambodia or Chinatown. But I am a relative newbie to BKK, having only 3 months under my belt.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
I still maintain that it is exceptional to find a Thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with.
QUOTE]
yeah, but if you can find such a woman you should snag them. Nothing better than a pretty, smart Thai woman to hang out with. Knowledgable about Western ways, but still Thai enough to take care of her man in the way he likes.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] My boss has a PhD from UC Berkeley and is a moron.
[/QUOTE]
Aren't all bosses morons? Seems like the only ones who get promoted, especially in my line of work, are the ones who have been deprived of oxygen for long periods of time.
[QUOTE=Mastertraveler]Will be making first trip to BKK in a few days. Will be there for only two nights, one day. Would appreciate any guidance. I am an older monger who is not looking for bargains. Looking for quality and like to avoid excess noise, hassle and annoyance. Would like to check out some nude dancing and an MP or possibly take out for the main event. Staying at the JW Marriott. I know I will be told by some that there is plenty of information on the board and that I should do my research. Have been doing it, but there is an overhelming amount of information on BKK, and I thought someone might be kind enough to distill it for me a little.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Nude dancing yes. Nana Plaza, or Soi Cowboy...
MP yes. I recommend the Posiden...
Quality. Hard to find unless you want to go the the Pegagus (or some other) Member Club$$$...
If you want to avoid excessive noise and hassles then BKK isn't the place to go.
[QUOTE=Timewaster]Sorry for the newbie question. This forum is 500+ pages and I read the last 10 or so pages.
Are you allowed to take pictures inside or outside the the bars in the red light districts in Bangkok? Will they try to break your camera if you try?[/QUOTE]
Inside absolutely NOT! However, there may be exceptions. Ask first before hauling out you Koday and going crazy.
Outside usually no problem. It's a public street. If they don't want you taking pictures they will let you know. Act like a tourist and be respectful and you should not have any problems.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Mr. Duni
...
and oh, Mr. G isn't THAT handsome. :)[/QUOTE]Old Thai Hand,
What? --- BESTARD.
Sir,
as the TQM manager you are responsible for the quality of our customers. Can we let OHT in in the future?
BTW: OTH, there is still this bottle of cheap red wine standing here, which we wanted to kill together.
All this serious discussion reminds me of that piece of writing in the Bangkok Post, front page, 2-3 years ago, about the average IQ in Thailand... :).
Can we get a report about Eden Club or Biergarten - I forgot already how it is there...
Giotto
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]. Our (Western) concept of what constitutes an "intellectual" is so deeply rooted in Western culture, that it may be entirely inappropriate to compare even well-educated Thais to this particularistic standard.Perhaps Thai standards are different.
GE[/QUOTE]I wonder if Thai standards for stupidity would be different from the West! Just kidding!
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]I wonder if this whole argument isn't really ultimately about cultural values rather than statistics.
GE[/QUOTE]What about the roles of Thai Buddhism religion?
[QUOTE=Giotto]Old Thai Hand,
What? --- BESTARD.
Sir,
.....................as the TQM manager you are responsible for the quality of our customers. Can we let OHT in in the future?.................
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Sorry Dr.G, as TQM Manager I am responsible for the in house staff and amenities. You need to get a hold of the Marketing Director for the quality of the customer, and the Vice President about who can come in or not. :)
......and the Head BESTARD to serve the customer or not. :D
And OTH, I absolutely do not have any contempt of you. How could you ever think that. I just think that you are a very interesting person who has interesting viewpoints.
[QUOTE=Retired Army][QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
I still maintain that it is exceptional to find a Thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with.
QUOTE]
yeah, but if you can find such a woman you should snag them. Nothing better than a pretty, smart Thai woman to hang out with. Knowledgable about Western ways, but still Thai enough to take care of her man in the way he likes.[/QUOTE]
Be careful of what you ask for. My TGF is able to talk about a multitude of subjects. Her english is quite good. She is currently in her 3rd year at university but I can see the brainwashing there taking place. Unfortunately politically she and I are at opposite ends of the spectrum. I am always getting lectures on how bad George Bush is. At least she acknowledges how messed up certain things in Thailand are, although she is unabashedly pro-Thai in the final analysis. She will say how stupid something in Thailand is, but always follow it up by saying it is still not as stupid as how the rest of the world is.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]........................
and oh, Mr. G isn't THAT handsome. :)[/QUOTE]
FINALLY, something truthful in all these different posts.......
;)
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] Going back to my original comment (i.e. the girl is probably thinking of nothing more than eating) isn't actually that far from the likely scenario. [/QUOTE]
The problem, OTH, is that you did not use the word "probably" the first time you made this point. You said that the girls (not most of the girls, or many of these girls) ARE as dumb as posts, as though it were an absolute given that this girl was incapable of thinking about anything other than that she might be hungry.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] I still maintain that it is exceptional to find a Thai who is intelligent and worth enough to discuss serious issues with. As I have said, repeatedly, I agree with you that there are exceptions.
I don't really understand your steadfast belief that my opinion is bigotry. [/QUOTE]
Had you actually qualified your statement the first time, we would not have had any disagreement. It was your cavalier spreading of the broad brush generalization over the entire Thai working girl population - i.e your absolute assertion that the girl in question would not be thinking of anything because these girls are as dumb as posts, and the most she might be thinking is that she were hungry, I'll get some food when I'm done here, that led me to call you a bigot, because that is what bigots do.
well, whatever....
It's no secret that I don't have much use for bargirls and the like. So, my general disdain for their lack of anything interesting to say certainly might be viewed as a broad condemnation. Once again I've attacked the sacred cow of the girls of P4P.
But, in actual fact, my remarks moved more towards the population at large. That was mostly what I was talking about and I doubt you have much experience of your average Thai at all and therefore can hardly comment on whether they're intelligent or not.
Again, I repeat, whether you are willing to accept it or not, that it is not bigotry, just experience talking.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Sorry Dr.G, as TQM Manager I am responsible for the in house staff and amenities. You need to get a hold of the Marketing Director for the quality of the customer, and the Vice President about who can come in or not. :)
......and the Head BESTARD to serve the customer or not. :D
And OTH, I absolutely do not have any contempt of you. How could you ever think that. I just think that you are a very interesting person who has interesting viewpoints.[/QUOTE]
Never met OTH....but we have had our share of differences of opinion on a variety of topics ;). My sense is he's like many who fell in luv with Asia and decided that being a big fish in a small pond was the way to go. No flame intended, merely POV.
As for the rest of the goings in the recent posts, boring.
Yes, your average Thai, from just about any sector, is not overly interested in discussing Aristotelian rhetoric nor analyzing the world from a western "logic" point of view. Then again, my farang girlfriends have never ever been able to do for me what my Thai girlfriend can do with her body and her smile....give it a rest fellows, and let's here some reports about some FUN things that people did last night!
i arrived in bkk yesterday for only one night.
after a gentle session at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] at 9 pm to clean the pipes i went out for a leisurely meal then headed back to sukhumvit to check out the action in the area as i hadn't been there in about one year. i was in no special rush to take another girl but was ready to see what fate would bring me.
after a change of clothes at the omni towers (great place btw, located on suk 4, huge appartments for the price of a hotel room, mine even had 2 baths, 2 tv and a large living room area) i walked towards the beergarden on soi 7 where i used to be lucky from time to time.
i was surprised by the large amount of sw on sukhumvit but didn't really focus on them. at the beergarden i had a drink, there were hardly 10-15 guys there and a similar amount of girls who looked totally worn out, so i left after 15'. arrived at thermae at around 1:30, entered at the back through the hotel lobby, sat down at a table in the middle and ordered a drink.
i looked around and felt something looked strangely out of place, but coulnd't put my finger on it. what was it ? the girls looked passable to ok but all the ok girls were seated with guys already. the place was quite full, the music was good, yet something was bothering me. then it dawned on me : i was the only farang, white male, sitting in that area. all the other guys, no exceptions, were asians. some of them sitting by themselves in groups of 3-4, some of them sitting with girls in unequal numbers, like 2 guys/5 girls. and most of them were young, 20's and early 30's being the majority.
i got up and walked around, there were a few westerners hanging about at the main entrance side and i took a stool in that area. a couple of girls came and chatted me up, i asked them if there were usually as many asian men around. they said yes, mostly jap, koreans, chinese, in that order. at 2 the music stopped playing and everybody started to drift out. the best looking girls were inevitably paired with asian guys.
i went out, heard japanese and some korean around me. walked back towards the hotel. lots of katoeys around on the way back, lots of glances from girls who hadn't made it that night yet -and for good reasons too, most were either too old, too fat, too trashy, or a combination thereof.
i stopped on a side soi to buy some ice cream and then i saw a very attractive girl discussing with 2 others. i waited a minute or so, then walked up to her and asked if she was selling something (she was dressed normally and could have been one of those street vendors packing up for the night), she said no, just talking to her friends. she accepted a bite from the ice cream then we sat down. i asked her if she'd come with me. maybe, how much you give me ? i don't know, how much you ask ? st or lt ? st .. ok, 1500 bath. i said, too bad, i only give 1000. she then showed she was fairly new at the game and counter offered with only 1200, to which i agreed. she was a definite 9, 19 yo, and as it turns out, just out from her shift at carrousel, a gogo on np.
we had a very satisfying slow session back in the appartment. i never tell the girls i'll be leaving town soon, but come up with some bullshit that i start a new job there and am looking for a place. they'll treat you nicer if they think there's a chance of landing a lt boyfriend, at least that's what i assume. hell, this one would have deserved it for sure, a total gfe experience condensed in 2-3 hours. she saw me yawning and asked whether she should leave. she gave me her number at the gogo and asked whether i'd come see her dance tomorrow, i said i'd try.
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Never met OTH....but we have had our share of differences of opinion on a variety of topics ;). My sense is he's like many who fell in luv with Asia and decided that being a big fish in a small pond was the way to go. No flame intended, merely POV.
As for the rest of the goings in the recent posts, boring.[/QUOTE]
Boring?...absolutely!!!
I started it all because I had time on my hands this weekend, for a change and, prompted by Freeler a few weeks ago to start a controversy, purposely made a provocative statement that was guaranteed to start a fight. Well anyway, I had fun.
as for big fish in a little pond....I wish! No such thing could ever happen in a place like Thailand, where those in charge combine incredible arrogance with mind-numbing stupidity and above all hate Farang. I am in such an abusive situation at the moment, that I am seriously thinking of leaving the Land of Sneers. While I may have at one time loved Asia, I'm not especially fond of it now. I miss Canada and may finally go back.
But, I still like the women.
Although not the Photo Section, I'll post a couple of pics to atone for the sin of boring everyone with a meaningless fight.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Boring?...absolutely!!!
I started it all because I had time on my hands this weekend, for a change and, prompted by Freeler a few weeks ago to start a controversy, purposely made a provocative statement that was guaranteed to start a fight. Well anyway, I had fun.
as for big fish in a little pond....I wish!
But, I still like the women.
[/QUOTE]
I only posted because Duni asked for comments from the G's gallery...
"Big fish in small pond" means many things - I think you understand clearly my point.
And I'm glad we do agree on one thing - lovely pictures. Btw, looks like she's in a university unform...I thought you don't shit where you eat, or is it don't eat where you shit :D
Private Dancer is available for free download from Stephen Leather's site: [url]http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html[/url] - well worth a read!
The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]Guys,
I am sure this is no secret to most of you big time Thai mongerers, but the aforementioned book is simply fantastic, a great eye opener and gives great insight into the circumstances and mindset of go-go bar girls and us farangs. As it says on the book's jacket (a bit cheesy on the jacket but having read it it is true): this reading should be made compulsory to every westerner setting foot in thailand. A classic.
Can't remember the name of the author (Stephen something).
Cheers[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]And I'm glad we do agree on one thing - lovely pictures. Btw, looks like she's in a university unform...I thought you don't shit where you eat, or is it don't eat where you shit :D[/QUOTE]
Not a current student of mine. She's graduated already and was a student of mine in her first year, a few years ago. These were taken later after she was not in my class anymore. But, I've never posted them before.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]...
The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.[/QUOTE]Blunderer,
Yep. Klaus!
Giotto
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Private Dancer is available for free download from Stephen Leather's site: [url]http://www.stephenleather.com/unpub.html[/url] - well worth a read!
The other thing he did that I enjoyed was 'Confessions of a Thai Private Eye' which is an apparently non-fiction work, based on a set of interviews with some farang private detective in BKK.[/QUOTE]
All,
These are two outstanding, fascinating books. They are a must read for anyone mongering in Thailand. I learned so much from these books it was incredible.
Another great read, although a historical fictions book is the Bangkok 8 series by John Burdett. There are three books so far in the series; Bangkok 8, Bangkok Tattoo, and Bangkok Haunts.
[QUOTE=Logos]I arrived in BKK yesterday for only one night.
Arrived at thermae at around 1:30, entered at the back through the hotel lobby, sat down at a table in the middle and ordered a drink.
Logos,
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.
a few weeks back i found myself in the sala deang area and had about 30min to spare so i did what any self respecting isg'er would do and headed towards to patpong 2 for some oral relief. i walked past that sisters place and got the whole hello hansum man routine but there was no time to investigate that option today. i wasnt quite in the mood for sol that day, instead i figured i would have a change of scenery and go to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] instead. i was in there once before, but only sat inside and had a drink with one of the girls before deciding to head off to sol instead. however, today there were no uniform clad hello, girls sat on the corner as usual, and a glance backwards up the passageway revealed no open doors or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] signage of any kind. hmm, so there is no more [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] branch in patpong then? maybe old news to some, but i guess i didn't get that particular memo. (? )
so, star of light it was. gotta love those troopers at that venue. admittedly it can be a bit daunting to a newbie, but i was one of those once but now the goings on in there don't phase me one iota. twice bitten, only once shy my favourite girls there are lin and nom, and most times i have gone there i have had one of them, or sometimes both: d. today i was hoping to see lin but she was "out" (hmmm) so nom gladly stepped up to the plate.
nom is really really cute in an impish naughty girl kinda way, and imho looks younger than her 26 years. as soon as she saw me she gave me the universal hand/mouth gesture for daty which she particularly likes receiving from me so it was into the "restroom" we went. she sat down on the padded bench thing and offered herself to me to have a little nibble, which i duly did. but not for too long as i was aware of the time ticking by, so soon we switched positions and she got on her knees in front of me and got to work. i will spare the gory details of the next 10 minutes, suffice to say that it was without a doubt the best bbbjcim i have ever had, and trust me guys that is saying something. i have had her a few times before, but i guess she must have gotten better at it through experience or something.
shortly after we finished, i heard another girl entering (after nom gave her the go ahead as we were done) and i was still in the process of getting my trousers up, and would you believe it it was lin who had just returned from "wherever" she was, (which was obviously somewhere offsite servicing some lucky b'stard), and when she saw me, literally catching me with my pants down, much laughing and mutual feigned disappointment took place between us. god i love that girl. i have had some truly awesome fs sessions with her and she is such an angel. nom is also great fun but i have yet to try a fs with her. there is always next time. (and the time after, and the time after that.)
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.[/QUOTE] I haven't been there for a while, but if I recall it is on Sukhumvit between soi 15-19. I had no luck there my last trip, but this time found one of my best ladies there. As described in a recent review, we spent about 24 hours together.
Hi LA,
not much discussion here about that special place.
I read about it in the net about 2 years ago.
Decided to try, went by at least 5 times almost shitting my pants from being scared what will it be liek to be blown in front of others.
At one day, got in and will never regret. Got serviced by a nice small dark
girl with a great blowjob on the sofa. The skills are simply amazing there.
The funny thing is that they somehow make it seem normal to be blown in front of all the other girls and customers, having a pretty strict education I almost could not believe that, but now I love it.
Went again and again. Tried many girls single double and triple (Lin one of the betetr ones, but did not see her for a while now) Lek, Lek, Tuk, Uan, Nok, Nom, Rabbit, Moon, .... and will continue.
Did anybody try ST there with one or two girls? They blow you until you cannot get it up anymore and then one more time ...... amazing experience, but not for every day!!
HAve fun and maybe we hear more,
Mike
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]
Logos,
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.[/QUOTE]
Thermae is below the Ruamchit Hotel on Sukhumvit.
Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]
Where exactly is Thermae? I have heard a lot about it but my taxi drivers never know what I am talking about. Please let us know.[/QUOTE]
It's easy to miss. Here are some photos.
Evil
[QUOTE=Winelover]Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance[/QUOTE]Dude,
Use the seach function and do some research. The Thailand forum is by far the most comprehensive. There is a wealth of information in here. Everything you need to know and then some.
[QUOTE=Winelover]Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance[/QUOTE]
Phuquar's FR from 2005 in the Reports of distinction is still accurate, even though a couple of years old. I suggest you start from there (I think it's the first or second report in that thread), and then come back with a more specific question.
Going to Bangkok next week. Can anybody recommend the fishbowl with the best looking girls?
[QUOTE=Acaryu]Going to Bangkok next week. Can anybody recommend the fishbowl with the best looking girls?[/QUOTE]
Check out the massage parlor thread.
In my opinion Posidon is the best.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Check out the massage parlor thread.
In my opinion Posidon is the best.[/QUOTE]
....but that 500b extra for FARANG is very annoying and racist. I think Nataree and Colonze don't rip off foreigners for the sake of eye slant and/or skin color.
[QUOTE=Winelover]Hi
Can anyone telle me what the average prices are for BF in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana)? And what are the average prices for LT (freelance vs gogo) in Bangkok (Cowboy, Nana, Beer Garden, .)?
Thx in advance[/QUOTE]
Many girls are trying to push up to 1500 or even 2000 for ST, but I would say 80 per cent accept 1000 eventually. And we should all stick to that level !!! Don't forget they get another 100 or 200 on the bar fine too, which has gone up to 600. Plus on their drinks.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]....but that 500b extra for FARANG is very annoying and racist. I think Nataree and Colonze don't rip off foreigners for the sake of eye slant and/or skin color.[/QUOTE]
I consider the 500 THB to be fair compensation for the wear and tear and depreciation and disposition of the asset when I am through with it.
It's like a rental car, I am going to drive the hell out of it and turn it in dirty. I pay extra for the company to maintain it, clean it and utlimately dispose of it.
[QUOTE=Erik]Many girls are trying to push up to 1500 or even 2000 for ST, but I would say 80 per cent accept 1000 eventually. And we should all stick to that level !!! Don't forget they get another 100 or 200 on the bar fine too, which has gone up to 600. Plus on their drinks.[/QUOTE]I heartily agree sir! I appreciate that to some folks money is no object, and we all have paid over the odds for a stunner. But by agreeing to pay more without even a good moan over it is driving the prices up for a lot of us!!! And if you are mongering at a ferocious level, it gets pricey!! I hope this argument starts a ferocious argument!
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I consider the 500 THB to be fair compensation for the wear and tear and depreciation and disposition of the asset when I am through with it.
It's like a rental car, I am going to drive the hell out of it and turn it in dirty. I pay extra for the company to maintain it, clean it and utlimately dispose of it.[/QUOTE]
Maybe, but why should you pay more for the same car than I do? (Or vice-versa).
I found that every go go girl asked for B1500 or B2000 on my last trip.
I've been [b]asked[/b] for all that and more for years... in fact, I remember paying 3k plus barfine for ST from Patpong about 10 years ago. I only paid this because my education was sadly lacking and I genuinely believed she wouldn't take any less. I look back now and shake my head with amazement at the younger me.
I apologize to every single person here for paying that much and contributing to unnecessary inflation.
What is asked for is completely utterly irrelevant, as relevant as the salt content of medium grade, high gloss patent leather, maybe even a little less so, because at least the latter probably matters to some chemist somewhere. The only relevant number is what they can get. The number they can get is set by you and I my friends. If the prices creep up we have but ourselves and our brethren to blame and noone else.
To come back to current prices, for LT you should be able to get 1500 + BF. I've [i][b]never[/b][/i] had anyone say no to 2000, but, since the 3k event mentioned above, I've never actually paid more than 1500 LT in BKK (the reason I mention 2k is that sometimes that is a number that always comes up while we are bringing the price down during negotiations).
I've had a grand total of one girl reject the 1500 number - in Nana Plaza. Noone from Soi Cowboy has ever said no to it (and somewhere between 50-100 at Nana have said yes).
My standard price for street walkers is 1000 LT, and I very rarely get complaints for that - usually I avoid all discussion about price with street walkers and just give them the 1000 in the morning/afternoon. There is sometimes a token attempt to negotiate more after the fact, but it is never very serious and we both know it.
Ocassionally street walkers are gogo dancers who have failed to find a customer that night, and try and negotiate a bit more than 1000. If I am in the mood, I will let them push me to 1500, but not one baht more. With that pricing structure, I have never had a no on the street.
To summarize - I've only ever had one girl reject 1500 LT in a gogo bar (and she said she would take 2k)
If there is no discussion, 1k LT is good for a street pickup.. only offer 1.5k LT under extreme duress and if you are really really keen.
Here's a handy little rhyme to help you remember:
[i]When in Bangkok having your fun,
Heed what follows to avoid getting stung.
If she dances, take no chances
For one point five kay, she'll go your way
If she's a walker, don't be a talker
One thou in the morn'll buy more than porn
[/i]
^^ No, honestly, that didn't come from a book or anything, I wrote it myself.
Even after saying all this, the funny thing is, if I was to see someone overpaying and I went up to everyone else in the bar, pulled out their wallets, took a few thousand baht from each one, then, threw the money in a pile on the floor and set fire to it, then, handed each person their wallet back and spat in their faces as I did so, I'd be the one who'd get the shit kicked out of him, yet, my crime would only have a one off effect on each person, whereas Mr Overpayment is costing everyone over and over and over again into the future. Is it I, who openly steals from you and spits in your face, or Mr Overpayment who costs you money and doesn't even have the decency to look you in the eye while he metaphorically spits in your face, that is your greatest enemy?
After all is said and done, I'd pay you back the money I stole, and apologize for spitting in your face and explain it was vitally necessary to make a point, then, if you were really upset, I'd rent someone to lick it clean.
[QUOTE=Allover]I found that every go go girl asked for B1500 or B2000 on my last trip.[/QUOTE]
Because I like to ride the clutch?
Sorry, I had to bring this one back, there seems to be a problem with the exhaust?
In all seriousness, there is no reason you should pay more, they only charge it because they can - dog, has balls, will lick.
This stuff drives me fucking crazy - mainly because the solution is so blindingly fucking obvious, yet, short of buying a placard and spending my days out the front of the place, I am utterly unable to implement said solution.
[b]Do not patronize places that have stupid foreigner fees/unreasonable overcharges etc etc[/b], then the establishments are left with 2 choices: become non-farang places (fine), or, lower prices/abolish fees until customers come back.
It is my teary eyed dream that once Jackson gets the wiki up and running (which will be supercool!) that we can maintain a boycott list in the hopes that members of this board will adhere to it and some real changes can be effected. We'll be like our own little mini UN with trade sanctions and embargoes - the only difference will be that we'll the US will be a genuine part of our new mongers UN rather than operating independently ;)
[QUOTE=1Ball]Maybe, but why should you pay more for the same car than I do? (Or vice-versa).[/QUOTE]
[i]Wow, that was post 100 :)[/i]
[QUOTE=1Ball]Maybe, but why should you pay more for the same car than I do? (Or vice-versa).[/QUOTE]
Because I ain't the sharpest crayon in the box. And what the hell it's only 500 THB. Compared to what I have spent on women it's a spit in the ocean.
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]...
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.[/QUOTE]Retired Army,
LOL. May be the massage parlours should think about an age surcharge...:)
Giotto
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Because I ain't the sharpest crayon in the box. And what the hell it's only 500 THB. Compared to what I have spent on women it's a spit in the ocean.[/QUOTE]
I don't see how that is even vaguely relevant....?
[QUOTE=Retired Army]
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.[/QUOTE]
And, that my friend, I quite agree with, however, you are putting the cart before the horse.
It is one thing to make it clear that you will pay a little extra and to do so following a high standard of customer care. It is quite another to pay a surcharge for a high standard of customer care in the hopes that the act of paying the surcharge will ensure it happens.
The former makes good sense, the latter make no sense whatsoever! Do you get in a taxi, say, I am late for a flight, and here is a tip just in case you get me there on time, but keep it even if you don't, in fact keep it even if you don't try?
Now that the tipping issue is out of the way... this 500 baht isn't even a bloody tip, it is an institutionally mandated fee based around the colour of your knob! Once more, by all means tip the girl. If you think she might find you a bit more disgusting because you are a farang, or a redhead or whatever, tip her, but, don't fall into the trap of thinking that this fee is by any means a fucking tip, it just isn't, it is a tax. For a tip, at least you can hope for some sort of return. Actually scratch that, it is worse than a tax as well, in theory at least, tax dollars are spent on something to you (or the electorate of which you are a member) want, for this 500 baht you get absolutely fucking nothing except a metaphorical sore arse.
When I talk to people like you, I am not angry exactly, and don't feel bad towards them personally about it - it is more like watching someone who is really environmentally unfriendly - chucks polystyrene containers out the window of the car all the time etc... I just feel like, come on, the advantage and convenience to you is so trivial when weighed up against the damage that you and a thousand like you do to the environment at large. Small changes in the behavior of folks like you can lead to some very real and recognizable benefits for everyone (including you!).
To put it another way, if everyone thought the same way you do, then everywhere would charge an extra 500 fee... then, 1000, 2000.... before you know it, our brothers can only afford 1 week instead of 2, then a weekend, then not at all.
This has nothing to do with it. The charge is made by the house....the girl probably only gets a small piece of it. If the girl was saying "you farang....you have huge peanut...tear my pussy apart........you so huge....you fu ck longtime and have such big size...you so strong have big muscle...thrust so hard I think your dick come out my ear...... have to charge extra because of wear and tear on my small Asian pussy....Asian man have small peanut...and come fast....so you pay 500b extra".......then I could buy into the theory of the vehicle rental, etc........but under the circumstance of the house charging just because they can...and most farang knuckle under....then I cannot buy into your theory. So solly!
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Because I ain't the sharpest crayon in the box. And what the hell it's only 500 THB. Compared to what I have spent on women it's a spit in the ocean.
I also have this belief that if I am a little more generous than the average monger I will get better service. When you get to be my age it's hard work for the woman to get me off. When I was 20 it only took two minutes, at 30 it was 30 minutes, and now in my 50's it takes forever. Therefore, I feel that a little extra is justified to compensate the poor girl for the extra work.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Giotto]Retired Army,
LOL. May be the massage parlours should think about an age surcharge...:)
Giotto[/QUOTE]Fantastic Idea! that means I'd get a discount right?
Looks like we posted simultaneously Blunderer.....so......what he said too!! (your explanation is better than mine....but basically the same point...maybe the guy will see your wisdom!)
[QUOTE=Blunderer]I don't see how that is even vaguely relevant....?
And, that my friend, I quite agree with, however, you are putting the horse before the cart.
It is one thing to make it clear that you will pay a little extra and to do so following a high standard of customer care. It is quite another to pay a surcharge for a high standard of customer care in the hopes that the act of paying the surcharge will ensure it happens.
The former makes good sense, the latter make no sense whatsoever! Do you get in a taxi, say, I am late for a flight, and here is a tip just in case you get me there on time, but keep it even if you don't, in fact keep it even if you don't try?
Now that the tipping issue is out of the way... this 500 baht isn't even a bloody tip, it is an institutionally mandated fee based around the colour of your knob! Once more, by all means tip the girl. If you think she might find you a bit more disgusting because you are a farang, or a redhead or whatever, tip her, but, don't fall into the trap of thinking that this fee is by any means a fucking tip, it just isn't, it is a tax. For a tip, at least you can hope for some sort of return. Actually scratch that, it is worse than a tax as well, in theory at least, tax dollars are spent on something to you (or the electorate of which you are a member) want, for this 500 baht you get absolutely fucking nothing except a metaphorical sore arse.
When I talk to people like you, I am not angry exactly, and don't feel bad towards them personally about it - it is more like watching someone who is really environmentally unfriendly - chucks polystyrene containers out the window of the car all the time etc... I just feel like, come on, the advantage and convenience to you is so trivial when weighed up against the damage that you and a thousand like you do to the environment at large. Small changes in the behavior of folks like you can lead to some very real and recognizable benefits for everyone (including you!).
To put it another way, if everyone thought the same way you do, then everywhere would charge an extra 500 fee... then, 1000, 2000.... before you know it, our brothers can only afford 1 week instead of 2, then a weekend, then not at all.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blunderer]My standard price for street walkers is 1000 LT, and I very rarely get complaints for that - usually I avoid all discussion about price with street walkers and just give them the 1000 in the morning/afternoon. There is sometimes a token attempt to negotiate more after the fact, but it is never very serious and we both know it.
Ocassionally street walkers are gogo dancers who have failed to find a customer that night, and try and negotiate a bit more than 1000. If I am in the mood, I will let them push me to 1500, but not one baht more. With that pricing structure, I have never had a no on the street.
If there is no discussion, 1k LT is good for a street pickup.. only offer 1.5k LT under extreme duress and if you are really really keen.[/QUOTE]Re street walkers SWs in BKK around NEP and along Sukhumvit.
Generally a long time LT does not interest me since I like to sleep alone, and would happily pay 1000 if I had to to get rid of a girl. If she had no where to sleep then I might be a nice guy and let her stay the night, if I get to fondle her whenever I feel like it. LOL.
My standard payout for a SW short time ST is 1000 per hour, but I am always happy to hear them volunteer an offer of the same for two hours. I make it clear that this will involve a full two hours of whatever we agreed to, whether kissing for that entire time, pumping, BLS, or whatever I fancy that day. If I give them two hours or more I expect a discounted rate for the extra time, like 2000 for three hours of boom boom.
On the sidewalk outside the Nana parking lot recently an above average looking young lady asked me for 1500 for an hour. I laughed and said 1000, one hour, no shower. Kissing only. She said 1200. But she needed the help of her friend, who recommended her to me as good, to understand what service I was asking for. She then said no to my request and offered everythig, fuck, suck, kiss. I reiterated my request and when she declined I said maybe another time. One thousand is the typical price in that spot, but P4P TGs asking fifteen hundred is not uncommon.
I would never try taking a TG without negotiating a definite price for specific services beforehand, since even in this they often try to weasle out of due time and or push hard for more pay. I have to think that a non negotiated encounter could end very badly and sadly. I like to separate with both parties satisfied and content. When this is not the case I tend not to want to repeat, and regulars is what I am interested in, not bedding every thing that moves and looks hot. Though I am the forgiving type, there is too much tail in BKK to give a second chance to any girls who provide poor service or attitude.
Finally, boys, always sleep with your hands above the covers, this way you won't be tempted to touch your weiner.
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You sick, sick, sick man.
Hillarious, especially the accountant.
[QUOTE=Double Shooter]
That didn’t work, cos she couldn’t hold her tits properly. So tried some thigh-fucking. Nice smooth and soft skin, but just couldn’t bust the nut. So fucked her armpit. Kneeling behind her, pulled the dick a little sideways so the head was no longer in her armpit but coming out at her upper arm, pointing at her face. Then fired the cannon. All over the face and hair. Har har, payback time. She was not amused, but the Shooter was.
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Retired Army
I hear you brother. At 55 I am in fantastic physical condition and can pop my load in a few minutes if I want. But the problem is I am only good for one round, so I like to get my jollies by working that pussy real good a long time in 7 or 8 positions. Then I finally hit my home run with some extra long vigorous thrusting in mish. Believe me, those poor little gals deserve an extra 500 after that workout, and I am not even winded. I sure wish I could go another 1 or 2 times, but my juice tank is empty after one.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]Looks like we posted simultaneously Blunderer.....so......what he said too!! (your explanation is better than mine....but basically the same point...maybe the guy will see your wisdom!)[/QUOTE]
I hear what you guys are saying and nothing pisses me off more about Thailand than the farang surcharge. Living in Thailand as long as I have I have learned to either avoid those places that charge extra for farangs or, if I really need to or want to, suck it up and pay. What I usually do is just send the Thai wife to buy the tickets (or whatever) and have her give them to me. Sometimes I am stopped and questioned, but I just show my residency card and drivers license and it's end of story. However, I am not going to send my wife to Posidon to pay for a soapie for me to save 500THB. I just consider it a cost of doing business.
My point is that it's 500THB, and if I really to go to Posidon, 500THB extra isn't going to deter me. I don't mind dropping a couple of hundred dollars at Pegusus or Sposo's because I don't do it that often and I want to enjoy myself when I do.
What I don't understand is guys that pay a $1,000 to fly to Thailand and then nickle-and-dime the locals. How many posts have there been about guys short-changing the girl they spent the night with?
P.S, I also hate the newbies that come, over pay and drive the price up for those who live here. But, we are talking two separate issues. I guess it all depends what you are looking for: the cheapest screw in town or a good experience. For that I am willing to pay extra.
[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Retired Army
I hear you brother. At 55 I am in fantastic physical condition and can pop my load in a few minutes if I want. But the problem is I am only good for one round, so I like to get my jollies by working that pussy real good a long time in 7 or 8 positions. Then I finally hit my home run with some extra long vigorous thrusting in mish. Believe me, those poor little gals deserve an extra 500 after that workout, and I am not even winded. I sure wish I could go another 1 or 2 times, but my juice tank is empty after one.[/QUOTE]
You have my admiration. Like you I am 55, but unless I have the wife dress up like a Catholic school girl (just kidding) and do things that are illegal in most Southern U. S. bible-belt states I just can't get off. It's very frustrating. And about once every three days to recharge the juice sack.
Once I picked up this girl at Spaso's, took her back to my condo and after an hour of extremely hard work managed to cum. Only problem was blood in the ejaculate. Went to Bumrungrad and doctor told me I tried so hard that I burst a blood vessel in my crank.
That's why I don't mind paying extra for any girl that can get me off. And there have been some at Pegagus that have done the job quite nicely.
Jackson:
Retired Army, Ralph Kramden and a few other of us would like to have a 55 and over thread to discuss ED and other personal health problems associated with getting laid. Can you accomodate?
ROFLMAO :D
PS - we will leave religion out of future posts
[QUOTE=Retired Army]What I don't understand is guys that pay a $1,000 to fly to Thailand and then nickle-and-dime the locals. How many posts have there been about guys short-changing the girl they spent the night with?[/QUOTE]
For plenty of longer stay tourists - the kind that stay half the year - and for those of us who live in Thailand, that $1,000 (or really more like $1,300 round trip) plane ticket is spread over a LOT of fucks. I haven't bought such a ticket in years, and doubt I ever will - at my salary it is unlikely I'll ever be able to save the money.
So in practice there are lots and lots of guys for whom another 500 baht is a very big deal, if they're taking ladies frequently. If they only go once a month, that's another story. Heck my Thai colleagues only make 15-25K and they go to the Ratchadapisek kind of high end places and blow 1,500-2,000 baht, but they're only going once every couple months.
Located in the basement of Grand Hyat Erwen. High end diso. I never found the cover price mentioned in the earlier reports. So here it is:
750 Baht to enter. It includes two drinks. By 11:30 PM it is rocking. But ends sharply by 2:00 AM. Patrons clear out by 2:30 AM. Quite a small disco in size. But music is good and quality of girls were also decent. The cover does not bother me. With barfine of 600 B in many go -gos and lady drinks, you easily reach that amount. However, takeout here is expensive. Girls start at 5000 B. I enjoyed overall experience in the disco. Mostly for a change from the usual bar scenes. Got to talk to some nicely dressed educated girls. With my luck all of them spent times in USA (very bad omen). I did not like any of them. Just to avoid going home alone, I ended up paying 3000 B long time to one of them. Before she was out by noon time, I already forgot everything about her. Terrible experience.
Bandy
PS: To go Hyat, take BTS train to Chitlom station. Walk one block after crossing the Macdonalds towards the Erwen temple and make a left around it. Hyat is right there.
Some things I will never understand:
LT: Why would anyone want a P4P girl to stay overnight? Sorry am I the only one here who just wants to get his rocks off. I do not look for love, sorry. 2 hours are more then ample. Happy to see them go after that. ALWAYS.
Kissing a P4P pro (tongues): Why would need anyone need to kiss the girl. After all, god knows where her mouth has been. Ok, maybe when the action gets hot... :-)
DATY: Now this is a tough one for me to grasp. Let's say 2 dicks a day, that is 720 dicks a year. Why would anyone want to put his tongue in there???
Tip: THB 500, 1000 etc.. for gods sake we are talking about USD 15/30. So we can abuse these girls, even dare to pride ourselves on making them cum, yet we are not willing to cough up lousy extra USD 30. I found as a repeat client of massage joints tipping ample has served me just fine.
Photo section, dark skinned skinny girls with stretch marks: Most of the girls displayed I would not touch with a pole. Even the most inexperienced Thailand visitor should be able to differentiate ghetto girl versus girl who takes care of herself.
Yes, each his own, just wondering...
JB
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
LT: Why would anyone want a P4P girl to stay overnight? Sorry am I the only one here who just wants to get his rocks off. I do not look for love, sorry. 2 hours are more then ample. Happy to see them go after that. ALWAYS.
Kissing a P4P pro (tongues): Why would need anyone need to kiss the girl. After all, god knows where her mouth has been. Ok, maybe when the action gets hot... :-)
DATY: Now this is a tough one for me to grasp. Let's say 2 dicks a day, that is 720 dicks a year. Why would anyone want to put his tongue in there???
Tip: THB 500, 1000 etc.. for gods sake we are talking about USD 15/30. So we can abuse these girls, even dare to pride ourselves on making them cum, yet we are not willing to cough up lousy extra USD 30. I found as a repeat client of massage joints tipping ample has served me just fine.
Photo section, dark skinned skinny girls with stretch marks: Most of the girls displayed I would not touch with a pole. Even the most inexperienced Thailand visitor should be able to differentiate ghetto girl versus girl who takes care of herself.
Yes, each his own, just wondering...
JB[/QUOTE]
You are spot on every point as far as I am concerned...except one.....Quote "Tip: THB 500, 1000 etc.. for gods sake we are talking about USD 15/30. So we can abuse these girls, even dare to pride ourselves on making them cum, yet we are not willing to cough up lousy extra USD 30. I found as a repeat client of massage joints tipping ample has served me just fine"......for the last time....we are not talking about a "tip"......we are talking about a farang surcharge levied by many massage parlors. This is a deal where the price is 2,000 b....but becaue you are a farang you get charged 2,500 automatically. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT...NOT A "TIP".
[quote]You should also stick your head into Nana Disco (in Nana Hotel) if you want to volume end of the freelance crowd but sometimes a super cutie can be found there.[/QUOTE]Awhile ago - I believe - someone remarked that it should be possible to get free entrance to Angels/Nana disco with your Nana room key. Well, I can confirm that that is completely correct, I did it last week - no entrance fee of B400 required for Nana hotel guests. Drinks in the disco start at B160 for a beer.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
Photo section, dark skinned skinny girls with stretch marks: Most of the girls displayed I would not touch with a pole. Even the most inexperienced Thailand visitor should be able to differentiate ghetto girl versus girl who takes care of herself.
Yes, each his own, just wondering...
JB[/QUOTE]
I've made similar observations in the past which have always launched a full-scale attack/debate.
The photo section is full of the most wretched-looking bottom-feeders who are all so far from the norm of what constitutes a beautiful Thai girl, that I wonder if these guys waffling on about their "cute little spinners" and subjecting us to the horror of photographic proof of their incredibly bad taste have actually looked around beyond the skanks on offer in the P4P venues.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
LT: Why would anyone want a P4P girl to stay overnight? Sorry am I the only one here who just wants to get his rocks off. I do not look for love, sorry. 2 hours are more then ample. Happy to see them go after that. ALWAYS.
Yes, each his own, just wondering.[/QUOTE]Overnight LT might be desirable if you like to wake up to an early coffee and blow job with dessert. Especially so if you like a soft warm sexy body to lay with at night and when you rise. Even more so when you can get 50 per cent off on the second cuming, or all that cuddling thrown in for free. Not being a morning person and grumpy at that time of the day, I prefer an English newspaper and or Thai music with my caffeine. I also like to get a sound quiet sleep, without listening to any snoring except my own, or being bumped into and awoken, or being robbed mugged and killed, except by a gang of TGs who I pay for it, so prefer to snooze alone. When I am in the mood for spending an hour or so holding, massaging, fondling & caressing a ladies ass, hair, breasts and legs, I can do this on a short time ST basis. Maybe as a break between sweaty sexercise sessions, like halftime in the NFL. But this should not be considered love, although I have to admit I am not sure what that four letter word means. Something like fuck, I guess.
...and who among us, in their opinions, are also bottom-feeders?
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
.....Photo section, dark skinned skinny girls with stretch marks: Most of the girls displayed I would not touch with a pole. Even the most inexperienced Thailand visitor should be able to differentiate ghetto girl versus girl who takes care of herself.
Yes, each his own, just wondering...
JB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I've made similar observations in the past which have always launched a full-scale attack/debate.
The photo section is full of the most wretched-looking bottom-feeders who are all so far from the norm of what constitutes a beautiful Thai girl, that I wonder if these guys waffling on about their "cute little spinners" and subjecting us to the horror of photographic proof of their incredibly bad taste have actually looked around beyond the skanks on offer in the P4P venues.[/QUOTE]
Well....those gawky-faced, pale-skinned students and suited workers I see on the Skytrain and in the shopping malls do nothing for me. Maybe you two should post some pictures, including faces (no excuses as to why you can't - either put up or shut up) of girls the rest of us can reasonably expect to fuck in Thailand. Then your opinions can be fairly judged.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
The photo section is full of the most wretched-looking bottom-feeders who are all so far from the norm of what constitutes a beautiful Thai girl, that I wonder if these guys waffling on about their "cute little spinners" and subjecting us to the horror of photographic proof of their incredibly bad taste have actually looked around beyond the skanks on offer in the P4P venues.[/QUOTE]
The girls are cute when you compare what they can get back in the "real world."
I have yet to see any girls from Pattaya in the photo thread that I would be remotely interested in, as most look like down and out street shanks. And I am not about to venture down there to find out if I can find any better. On this point I am in complete agreement with OTH.
Terry Terry Terry...
I just knew you'd come out of the wood-work on this one. Now, I'm just waiting for Duniawalla and, dare I hope The Traveler to rounds things out. ;)
BTW, I don't remember you ever posting pics. So, who are you to talk?
Bangkok first impressions.
I recently arrived in Bangkok and want to give my reports. Most of it will have to wait until I'm back home because I don't have much free time while traveling, but I can give a little feedback now.
I'm currently saying at Livingstone's Lodge in Soi 33 so I'll start with that.
I arrived in Bangkok and cleared Customs and Immigration with little of note. I then went toward the exit and was accosted by the usual throngs of taxi touts, each of whom assured me that 700B was the best deal I could possibly hope to get, after starting with an opening position that 1500B wasn't an obscene price for a BMW sedan. It may or may not be worth it, but I was definitely in the mood to see what the metered taxi would run. I was expecting about 3-400B to Suk Soi33. I went outside, like the members have instructed, and found the public taxi stand and waited in line. By this point I had probably been approached by 10 touts.
My turn came and I got into the cab and made sure he used the meter. The journey was uneventful (which is good) and to my surprise the total bill was 240B. Not bad at all.
The lesson: the touts are definitely full of shit. Plan on 3-400B and it may be less. Even when I told the touts they were full of it and that the cab ride wouldn't be more than 400B, they assured me that I was wrong and that it couldn't be done for less than 700, and that the metered taxis didn't include the tollway fare. Again, by using the public stand, my total bill to Soi 33 was 240Baht.
When I arrived at Livingstone's I was met outside by Guido, whom many people have mentioned before. He helped me with my bags and even chipped in with the taxi because I didn't have small enough change to cover it all without having to break a bigger bill and cabbies don't generally have that much change. I paid him back later (he had forgotten about it completely). I will just say here, as many have before, that Guido is an excellent host. He has been gracious, helpful, and appears genuinely concerned that you have everything you need. I have never met a more attentive hotel manager (and he does so without being obtrusive). I don't know if Giotto found him or trained him, but he's done well to have him either way. It's become clear that Giotto has put together an amazing staff in general. The wait-staff at the restaurant have been unbelievably helpful and attentive.
I had a chance to sit with Giotto in the sports bar on my first day and really enjoyed the conversation. We talked about many things but for the purposes of this report I'll just say that he knows what he's doing with this hotel, and he does it quite well. And we're the beneficiaries. You can't ask for much more than what he provides. The hotel is not a 5 star facility. It's odd and quirky, in that home-made boutique hotel sort of way, and it's definitely set in Bangkok with all the madness that that entails. But in all the things that really matter, it delivers a superior product. I can be quite picky in that spoiled American sort of way. But I have not once found myself unhappy with something. The food in particular is worth mentioning. Its absolutely first rate. It's become obvious from staying here that the place is not intended to appeal to cheap charlies. It's not cheap. The sports bar isn't cheap and the hotel and food aren't cheap. But having said that, I'm actually still convinved that it represents a good value. The hotel isn't shiney new granite and glass, but the things that matter are delivered quite well. The sports bar isn't cheap but the company is definitely worth the investment in my opinion. I'm far more comfortable here than the whole Nana scene. I guess that's the difference. If you're a backpacker looking for cheap digs and cheap women, don't bother. You won't like the prices. But if you're looking for something nicer than that, while still not being the sterile environment of chain hotels, then this is the place for you.
I got quite sick right before arriving so my energy was almost non existent, but I was able to venture out and do things. But it was also quite nice to know that everything I needed was within 50 steps of my hotel room door if I wanted as well.
And the two reasons I originally chose for staying here have paid off. I chose to stay here because I expected to have a hotelier who would be personable and help out with advice when I needed it, and a sports bar on site with top notch talent. Both have exceeded expectations. More on the latter in my next reports.
Thanks Giotto, I wish I would have had more time to talk with you, but my circumstances didn't work out that way. But I will be back, and I appreciate your help. I have already started recommending the place to friends.
I first explored Thailand in the mid-80's, with my then wife.
25 years later, I am returning. I am mysitified. Where am I staying? Where do I go? What do I want to do? . Meet beautiful cichas. See some muy thai. Eat the food. Mostly, find some sweet, beautiful thing that wants to be my gal for awhile.
Where am I going to find her?
Nick
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Jackson:
The generic blue pill is a fraction of what you'd pay stateside.
Take one. 100 mg. Dont' be a pussy. Make it RAGEl
(we save a ton here on generic viagra. works good!).
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Greetings,
It appears that you inadvertently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.
The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". Please note the "/" forward slash in the last tag. It's that simple.
In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.
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[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]BTW, I don't remember you ever posting pics. So, who are you to talk?[/QUOTE]
Well, you just didn't look hard enough, did you?
But the photos I've posted are of no relevance to your *****ing: I've never claimed to have superior tastes to the rest of the Thailand membership. Unlike you.
Like I said, show us some examples of what's available. Then we can compare.
All we need now are the usual sycophants piping up about how beautiful the 'headless corpses' (:D) in your photos are.
Let's talk about mongering, not arguing. Let's move on so we can get to the good stuff. Meant with all due respect to all parties involved.
I will be in BKK on business December 8-12. Anyone want to get together and have a good time? Let me know.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]All we need now are the usual sycophants piping up [/QUOTE]Hey leave me out of this. :D
Just imagine - these three girls were each winners of the Miss Thailand Beauty Queen pageant in the past few years.
I just did a search to see if they really were beauty queens, and they aren't. He's just cut the face off a real beauty queen in photoshop and pasted it onto one of his girls. See attached for proof.
[QUOTE=Piper1]
Just imagine - these three girls were each winners of the Miss Thailand Beauty Queen pageant in the past few years.[/QUOTE]
Damn, caught out again. :(
Question. I will be staying at a high end hotel and arriving late in the evening. I asked the concierge if they could arrange an in-room massage (their spa will be closed), by a woman, who is friendly. The concierge said no problem, cost 1600 baht.
From your experience, what are the chances of extras?
I am also considering Pegasus, but it may be too late. How late can one go to Pegasus & still have a good selection?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Hey leave me out of this. :D
Just imagine - these three girls were each winners of the Miss Thailand Beauty Queen pageant in the past few years.[/QUOTE]
But why is the one in the middle making a lame attempt to cover her right tit? And, even odder, why does the one with the body-art oil her armpits?
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Kissing a P4P pro (tongues): Why would need anyone need to kiss the girl. After all, god knows where her mouth has been. Ok, maybe when the action gets hot... :-)[/quote]
Some people like kissing, JB. To each his own. I don't initiate it myself, but if the girl does I usually enjoy it.
[quote]DATY: Now this is a tough one for me to grasp. Let's say 2 dicks a day, that is 720 dicks a year. Why would anyone want to put his tongue in there???[/quote]
Again, some enjoy it, to each his own, etc., but I might also point out you are exposing your prudery. There is no reason to believe that a busy vagina is a less 'clean' vagina, assuming prophylactics, soap and water, etc. I'll wager just about any Isaan working girl vagina smells better than even the average amatuer Western Vagina. That said I don't go down - too lazy.
[quote]Tip: THB 500, 1000 etc.. for gods sake we are talking about USD 15/30. So we can abuse these girls, even dare to pride ourselves on making them cum, yet we are not willing to cough up lousy extra USD 30.[/quote]
Brother, 500 is usually my total budget for an encounter, and maybe up to 1,000 on very rare occasions. I hardly ever tip, unless it is clear to both myself and the girl that the experience was really incredibly good. In those cases I part with 100 baht more.
Lastly regarding dark and light, I just don't care one way or the other about skin tone. I do love however, that one can be with a tall, slim, dark-skinned girl who would be considered model material in the US, and she has been told all her life she's 'ugly'. Conversely some short, pudgy, doughy, white blob with a pan-face is chased by all the middle class Thai guys. What a strange and silly country!
to all of bangkok's expat community. please keep you eyes peeled and help thai law enforcement in capturing pederast christopher paul neil. he's the most wanted man in asia right now. this animal needs to be put away immediately and be subjected to the harshest medieval torture before facing being executed. he's picture and crime is on the attached cnn story.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2007/world/asiapcf/10/17/childsex.suspect.ap/index.html#cnnstctext[/url]
[QUOTE=ArchieLeach]Bangkok first impressions...[/QUOTE]Nice report Archie. I agree that the Lodge exceeds expectations. I disagree that the Lodge 'is not cheap'. By Thai standards, it's mid-range, but it's certainly not expensive; by western standards, it's extremely inexpensive.
You're correct - the food and ambience are great, and Guido and Giotto are the perfect hosts - both are colorful characters in their own smooth quiet way.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Nice report Archie. I agree that the Lodge exceeds expectations. I disagree that the Lodge 'is not cheap'. By Thai standards, it's mid-range, but it's certainly not expensive; by western standards, it's extremely inexpensive.
You're correct - the food and ambience are great, and Guido and Giotto are the perfect hosts - both are colorful characters in their own smooth quiet way.[/QUOTE]
Piper1, I think ArchieLeach hit it right. For some folks on this site they want to pay 1000 baht or 500 baht for a lady, they'll find Livingstones expensive. Some folks are into the cheapest available (if that is due to their income or whatever it doesn't matter) as that is what they can affoard or are willing to pay. Livingstones is not a short time hotel or a flea bag hotel. You get what you pay for and I personally enjoy livingstones. But some folks want to pay the 30 USD a night for a room. And that is not the Livingstones type of client. My dinner bills are higher then that at Livingstones.
The lodge is anything but sterile and everything ArchieLeach says I think hits it just right. Giotto and Guido are friendly and outgoing and are always there for a drink or to chat to help. I enjoy spending time there and while I personally find the prices more then acceptable, very reasonable, and such, some folks who monger would not.
I've obviously stayed at the Lodge and everytime I am in BKK even if I am not staying there I eat there without a doubt. I enjoy the place, the company and the food and I guarantee you I will be there many times Nov 9th thru the 20th.
[QUOTE=ArchieLeach]It's become obvious from staying here that the place is not intended to appeal to cheap charlies. It's not cheap. The sports bar isn't cheap and the hotel and food aren't cheap. But having said that, I'm actually still convinved that it represents a good value. The hotel isn't shiney new granite and glass, but the things that matter are delivered quite well. The sports bar isn't cheap but the company is definitely worth the investment in my opinion. I'm far more comfortable here than the whole Nana scene. I guess that's the difference. If you're a backpacker looking for cheap digs and cheap women, don't bother. You won't like the prices. But if you're looking for something nicer than that, while still not being the sterile environment of chain hotels, then this is the place for you.[/QUOTE]
Great Report... should have posted a copy in Giotto's thread as well!!
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV] Piper1, I think ArchieLeach hit it right. For some folks on this site they want to pay 1000 baht or 500 baht for a lady, they'll find Livingstones expensive. Some folks are into the cheapest available
[/QUOTE] Tansak - I don't think we disagree. Some guys want a 500 Baht girl and a 3 Dollar room (right, Pea Beau? ;)). When I was a young backpacker I only stayed at 5-10 dollar rooms around the world, and had fun with free backpacker girls (those frustrated wild Swedish girls away from home were my favorite). But times change. As a middle aged guy with a busy profession and a family (like most guys on this site), I prefer to spend a little more cash for a taste of the good life. :)
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV] I've obviously stayed at the Lodge ... I guarantee you I will be there many times Nov 9th thru the 20th. [/QUOTE] I'll be there around Nov 17 for a week - let's make trouble for Giotto. He seems to like trouble-makers. :D
Piper, Tansak, I will be there until Nov 18. See you there. Piper, see you before that in the Land of sand.
Once Giotto reads this, he might book himself a trip to the Motherland during that time. ;)
[QUOTE=Piper1]Tansak - I don't think we disagree. Sure, some guys want a 500 Baht girl and a 3 Dollar room (right, Pea Beau? ;)). When I was a young backpacker I only stayed at 5-10 dollar rooms around the world, and had fun with free backpacker girls (those frustrated wild Swedish girls away from home were my favorite). But times change. As a middle aged guy with a busy profession and a family (like most guys on this site), I prefer to spend a little more cash for a taste of the good life. :)[/QUOTE]
That we agree on fully. I remember many benches I slept on and in airports to save some cash. And yes, now in life I pay for comfort and higher things in life. Just that I think there are many readers who are cheap charlies or can't affoard such things yet.... It's not a place they would enjoy and I don't think the Lodge markets to that end either. You will pay more at JW or others, and all boutique hotels are much more enjoyable for ME then the hotel chains. Like a home away from home.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Piper, Tansak, I will be there until Nov 18. See you there. Piper, see you before that in the Land of sand.
Once Giotto reads this, he might book himself a trip to the Motherland during that time. ;)[/QUOTE]
Now this sounds like a great plan.
Oh yes, that's another thing I don't quite get. Trophy photo taking. And with regard to those gawky-faced, pale-skinned students...
I was actually not referring to 'good girls'. These are out of reach for most tourists anyway. What I don't get is that Thailand visitors don’t take advantage of the ample supply of good looking P4P pros. In my favorite massage joints I do see and take advantage off cute little spinners, and by tipping them well, I get rewarded with great ass and sex.
Most pics I see on the photo thread represent truly the low scope of what Thailand has to offer. I think that a lot of tourists - naturally – practicing what works for them best at home, aiming for the low end serves as a tested means to avoid rejection.
It's like the little fat things in a-go-gos, dancing in the back where the lights don't shine. Fact is they get taken out the most. Why? Most tourists simply feel insecure by the intimidating demeanor of the stunners. Go to any embassy and you will see the most horrible looking country girls (short, big feet, sun burned faces and worst of all, without any language skills) getting married/exported to perfectly normal looking westerners.
JB
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Well....those gawky-faced, pale-skinned students and suited workers I see on the Skytrain and in the shopping malls do nothing for me. Maybe you two should post some pictures, including faces (no excuses as to why you can't - either put up or shut up) of girls the rest of us can reasonably expect to fuck in Thailand. Then your opinions can be fairly judged.[/QUOTE]
It's so funny, but to each his own I say! some have complaint that they wouldn't kiss, eat their pussy, or get a BJ without a condom or LT, because of the multi clients that she might have had. But it's no problem sticking it into the main hole that also has been visited many times also!
I like the idea of a thread for the older guys, maybe set it at 50 since it's the retirement guildline in Thailand. How able calling the thread... Faded Glory (50)!
I too being at that age 55, and I still consider myself in great health but when I monger, particularly when I'm in BKK, I try to make sure I get alot of kissing and rolling in the hay before the big shot. I too enjoy sleeping alone but do enjoy a good women that likes to cuddle naked give a man a good massage and like to bath together. When I get one and good provider I have no problem asking her to stay! Everyone has their standards for a GFE!
Enjoy Fellas,
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]I too being at that age 55, and I still consider myself in great health but when I monger, particularly when I'm in BKK, I try to make sure I get alot of kissing and rolling in the hay before the big shot. I too enjoy sleeping alone but do enjoy a good women that likes to cuddle naked give a man a good massage and like to bath together. When I get one and good provider I have no problem asking her to stay! Everyone has their standards for a GFE!
Enjoy Fellas,[/QUOTE]Absolutely!
Cut the crap guys, there isn't a standard GFE experience, we all have our likes and dislikes. I also think that Age should not matter, I'm 30 and when I hear about a guy who is 75 and still fucks girls I see him as my hero!
I would love to, at 75, still be fucking 18 y old girls. Of course I am not under the illusion that once you reach an advanced age, you might have to pay for it, but so what?
The most important thing is not to get approval from the people here about how nice your girl is or if you paid the normal rate or if you went to the right place. The most important thing is that YOU are HAPPY with the service you got. The price is up to you, if you agreed in the first place is because you can afford it.
If you leave the girl with a BIG smile on your face, to me, that's what's important! it's all about the FUN.
[QUOTE=Piper1] I'll be there around Nov 17 for a week - let's make trouble for Giotto. He seems to like trouble-makers. :D[/QUOTE]..... or two? Im planning a week in November to catch up with Meaty. Can we crash the party?:D
Sid
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]..... or two? Im planning a week in November to catch up with Meaty. Can we crash the party?:D
Sid[/QUOTE]
I think Giotto needs to set up a special event...
Guys,
just let me know WHO plans to come during that time - that I can arrange some protection from our friends from the armed forces - a tank, or something like that.
Thank you.
Giotto
Piper and Tansak,
I agree. When I say it's not cheap I by no means think it's expensive. What I mean is that it's not low end, it's not bargain basement, it's not Khao San Road. And I pray that Giotto keeps it that way.
It represents great value. I just came from a 5 star hotel in Tokyo, and I'm about the check out and go to Singapore to stay at Shangri La. I'm also staying at Wynn in Macau and Langham Place and possibly the Pen in HK all on this one trip. And I will feel ripped off at every one of them after staying at Giottos.
There's nothing wrong with them really. I will continue to stay in 5 star hotels. I just wish there were more places like Giotto's in the world. And that's saying something, because I'm a typical whiny spoiled American tourist type.
And feel free to make his life hell while you're here. From what I've seen his life is too perfect and could use some chaos. After seeing his place, and meeting his wife, I have no sympathy for the man. Also Guido told me it's new hotel policy that anytime any guest needs anything late at night, we're to go knock on Giotto's door and wake him up. Whether it's a bottle of water or anything, no matter how trivial. It's part of the new hospitality scheme. So make use of it.
Archie
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
Kissing a P4P pro (tongues): Why would need anyone need to kiss the girl. After all, god knows where her mouth has been. Ok, maybe when the action gets hot... :-)
Yes, each his own, just wondering...
JB[/QUOTE]There is no need to kiss, or fuck either, but I like it. Both are a risk, as is playing russian roulette, but life is full of gambles we all take. In the end, sooner or later, we all die, as we are condemned to such. And then?
Kissing with tongues does not usually appeal to me. I like her tongue lapping up my balls for an hour or three while I work the stick shift. By then I am ready and eager for some serious pounding.
For mouth to mouth resusscitation I use Listerine LT and often, plus a medicated lip balm.
Having kissed many drug addicted STD diseased SWs in Vancouver for years, I have never contracted any STD, though avoid those with obvious sores on their face or those who are widely rumored to have HIV.
The SW ladies in LOS look cleaner by comparison, although the oral sensations are often unappealing after they've eaten due to the Thai diet. Hot spicy papaya, bones of chicken feet, white ants. Gum & listerine helps.
With a good kisser I can enjoy keeping it up for an hour or two at a time without fucking her, and if she is the right size I enjoy both simultaneously.
Because of their big fat lips I find that I want to kiss TGs more than others, even the average lookers.
Now it is time to go finger myself up the bum.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
Tip: THB 500, 1000 etc.. for gods sake we are talking about USD 15/30. So we can abuse these girls,
JB[/QUOTE]By the tone of how many of these TGs talk to themselves and or me in my presence, I am positive they are verbally abusing me. LOL. Even drug addicted Canadian SWs do not wear their heart on their sleeve.
I like to think that I am supporting the ladies family, her mama, brother, and babies, rather than being abusive. Since I do not have HIV and am kind, by putting myself in the market I am potentially saving her from someone who is dangerous to her physical and mental health. In that sense I am actually acting like her doctor and psychiatrist. Cum to think of it, damn, these girls should be paying me!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
I too enjoy sleeping alone but do enjoy a good women that likes to cuddle naked give a man a good massage and like to bath together. When I get one and good provider I have no problem asking her to stay! Everyone has their standards for a GFE!
[/QUOTE]
As I tell them: I love you darling, just don't be here in the morning when I wake up.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Go to any embassy and you will see the most horrible looking country girls (short, big feet, sun burned faces and worst of all, without any language skills) getting married/exported to perfectly normal looking westerners.JB[/QUOTE]
GAWD!!! This so true!!!...add - without any social graces, or just basic understanding of where the hell they're going on that visa.
When I was arranging the visas to Europe for my students this past summer, my naiive little darlings were just stunned beyond belief at the country "girls" (some quite long in the tooth, actually) in their tawdry street clothes and stilletto heals lining up with they're new hubbies to get the visa for his home country. They simply couldn't understand why any Farang would end up with such a girl. I have to say, I was hard-pressed to explain it to them.
BTW, the return rate of these girls is incredibly high. Like fish out of water, they simply can't survive for long outside their own milieu. Without a ready supply of somtam and sticky rice they wither and die on the vine.
[QUOTE=ArchieLeach]...
And feel free to make his life hell while you're here. From what I've seen his life is too perfect and could use some chaos. After seeing his place, and meeting his wife, I have no sympathy for the man. Also Guido told me it's new hotel policy that anytime any guest needs anything late at night, we're to go knock on Giotto's door and wake him up. Whether it's a bottle of water or anything, no matter how trivial. It's part of the new hospitality scheme. So make use of it.
...[/QUOTE]ArchieLeach,
You BESTARD :):):)!!!
But - let's move it to the "Giotto's Lodge" thread, I will kick your arse there!
Giotto
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I think Giotto needs to set up a special event...[/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,
OK, no problem, will be done. You guys agree on a date, we will arrange the party!
Giotto
[PS: We should move this discussion to the "Giotto's Lodge" thread, too.]
So guys,
What would you say is a fair rate a beautiful SW
1200 baht for ST
? For LT
Please advise
I will be staying in Livingstone's. This is my first visit to thailand and I am quite excited. I will be there for a total of 8 days. But in between my stay in BKK I would like to go elsewhere. If my first visit to thailand is just mongering I would feel a bit empty. I need to see the sights to feel completely satisfied and more appreciative of the country.
So other than the sights of BKK I plan to spend 4 days in either Koh Samui or Pattaya. Which do forummers recommend? Is mongering in Pattaya too good to miss? Are the beaches and scenery at Koh Samui a must for a first time tourist to Thailand and the mongering nothing to sniff at? It is unlikely I will be back soon and this could be my first and last trip.
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
I will be staying in Livingstone's. This is my first visit to thailand and I am quite excited. I will be there for a total of 8 days. But in between my stay in BKK I would like to go elsewhere. If my first visit to thailand is just mongering I would feel a bit empty. I need to see the sights to feel completely satisfied and more appreciative of the country.
So other than the sights of BKK I plan to spend 4 days in either Koh Samui or Pattaya. Which do forummers recommend? Is mongering in Pattaya too good to miss? Are the beaches and scenery at Koh Samui a must for a first time tourist to Thailand and the mongering nothing to sniff at? It is unlikely I will be back soon and this could be my first and last trip.
Any recommendations would be appreciated.
I would say 1000+ tip. So sure 1200 is average. It seems here to go less than 1000 is sort of demeaning and cheap but if its a girl your friends with anything can be negoitiated.
Rather than focus on rate i would like to bring the question of good service up. First what defines bad sex:
Bad Sex can be defined as:
1. Kisses with neither little or no lip movement nor any tongue.
2. Gives a hand job in a beating manner without concern for giving a good sensation.
3. Gives oral sex with little or no saliva resulting in no sensation.
4. Contorts body in ways not conducive to functional intercourse.
5. Stares off in the distance, daydreams basically the mind is thinking about something else.
6. Makes like a possum and plays dead.
I would like to add one more but its is not service related:
7. A Body that looks like a diesaster that is grotesque disfigurements.
I wonder if it may be a good idea to start a "Bad Sex" thread. Maybe even a " "Most Unwanted List" mugshots required. Weeding out the Bad Apples will leave only a Sea of Ripe Tomatoes.
Well the trick is get in, and squeeze a puppy a.s.a.p. on husbands home turf. That may bring visiting rights. I have seen girls standing at the visa application counter coming straight from night shift. Running makeup, hair un-done, apparently hung over. Hilarious really. Also interesting is how they are treated by the embassy staff. Rough, to say the lest.
I feel actually sorry for the 'normal' girls/women applying for visas. Fascinating too how the tarts hubby is completely indifferent to his wife's looks and state.
Love must make some people blind indeed.
JB
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]GAWD!!! This so true!!!...add - without any social graces, or just basic understanding of where the hell they're going on that visa.
When I was arranging the visas to Europe for my students this past summer, my naiive little darlings were just stunned beyond belief at the country "girls" (some quite long in the tooth, actually) in their tawdry street clothes and stilletto heals lining up with they're new hubbies to get the visa for his home country. They simply couldn't understand why any Farang would end up with such a girl. I have to say, I was hard-pressed to explain it to them.
BTW, the return rate of these girls is incredibly high. Like fish out of water, they simply can't survive for long outside their own milieu. Without a ready supply of somtam and sticky rice they wither and die on the vine.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Armj7]I will be staying in Livingstone's. This is my first visit to thailand and I am quite excited. I will be there for a total of 8 days. But in between my stay in BKK I would like to go elsewhere. If my first visit to thailand is just mongering I would feel a bit empty. I need to see the sights to feel completely satisfied and more appreciative of the country.
So other than the sights of BKK I plan to spend 4 days in either Koh Samui or Pattaya. Which do forummers recommend? Is mongering in Pattaya too good to miss? Are the beaches and scenery at Koh Samui a must for a first time tourist to Thailand and the mongering nothing to sniff at? It is unlikely I will be back soon and this could be my first and last trip.
Any recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]As someone who has been to and through Thailand for a long time, I would strongly recommend not trying to do too much in an 8 day holiday. You don’t mention your country of origin, but jet-lag from Europe or North America can be ferocious. I have a feeling you’ve not experienced it and it can be soul-crushing. Do you really want to spend two or three half-days traveling? Change hotels 3 or 4 times? You could also fly to Chiang Mai or Chiang Rai or even Phuket for a few days. You will see a different aspect of the LOS in those locations, but I’m not sure you want the hassle of two flights and associate airport madness. Pattaya vs. BKK’s NEP and Patong? I could probably start a war of words that would fill these pages for days by offering an opinion.
You can find plenty of sights to see in and near Bangkok.- uh, during the daylight hours.- that will make you somewhat appreciative of the country. Spend a few hours at the Grand Palace, go to what Arun and the temples, visit the royal barges, take a day trip to Ayutthaya, etc. , and you will have some idea about Thailand's culture and history. IMHO the BTS (sky train) in Bangkok is also one of Thailand’s "wonders". It works well, and actually helps moving around the city. Sigh! I am more jaded than the what Pra Keo.
One thing I can tell you, with great certainty. When you return home, you will not describe your first visit to Thailand as "just" mongering. You will feel empty, dude. Drained dry.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Well the trick is get in, and squeeze a puppy a.s.a.p. on husbands home turf. That may bring visiting rights. I have seen girls standing at the visa application counter coming straight from night shift. Running makeup, hair un-done, apparently hung over. Hilarious really. Also interesting is how they are treated by the embassy staff. Rough, to say the lest.
I feel actually sorry for the 'normal' girls/women applying for visas. Fascinating too how the tarts hubby is completely indifferent to his wife's looks and state.
JB[/QUOTE]
Normal Thai girls are treated like shit at the visa sections of the US, German and Australian Embassies. The Visa interviewers think they are all prostitutes and give them a hard time when applying for a visa.
I always offer 1000 for LT (or give it the next morning if pricing isn't discussed).
Usually there's no complaints - an extra 2 or 3 hundred if service is good.
I don't normally do ST, but I sure wouldn't be paying 1000 for it if I did...
[QUOTE=Margaya]So guys,
What would you say is a fair rate a beautiful SW
1200 baht for ST
? For LT
Please advise[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Some things I will never understand:
LT: Why would anyone want a P4P girl to stay overnight? Sorry am I the only one here who just wants to get his rocks off. I do not look for love, sorry. 2 hours are more then ample. Happy to see them go after that. ALWAYS.
Kissing a P4P pro (tongues): Why would need anyone need to kiss the girl. After all, god knows where her mouth has been. Ok, maybe when the action gets hot... :-)
DATY: Now this is a tough one for me to grasp. Let's say 2 dicks a day, that is 720 dicks a year. Why would anyone want to put his tongue in there???
Tip: THB 500, 1000 etc.. for gods sake we are talking about USD 15/30. So we can abuse these girls, even dare to pride ourselves on making them cum, yet we are not willing to cough up lousy extra USD 30. I found as a repeat client of massage joints tipping ample has served me just fine.
Photo section, dark skinned skinny girls with stretch marks: Most of the girls displayed I would not touch with a pole. Even the most inexperienced Thailand visitor should be able to differentiate ghetto girl versus girl who takes care of herself.
Yes, each his own, just wondering...
JB[/QUOTE]
Yes it is each to there own, very much so.
Although the mouth is the most germy part of the body, nothing gets me rock hard so quick as beautiful french kissing.
My tongue is one of my primary sex organs.
Fortunately Thai girls are amongst the cleanest in the world.
I would rather kiss or go down a classy Thai P4P than any regular smelly girl in my home country. My ex-wife was a prime example of someone you could not go down on.
I rely on Thai girls to clean themselves thoroughly.
And most of them do. Having a very keen sense of smell I can detect those who don't generally, but risks are always there. Have caught a bad does of the flu several times from Thai girls.
I have limits. I don't feel attracted to kiss the girls at the Star of Light for example. They need to be classy first.
I feel sorry for P4P girls and the disgusting things they have might be expected to kiss or suck.
If a girl, is mediocre then why have her stay? On the other hand if she is absolutely fabulous (a princess to me), and occasionally they are, then I sometimes have them stay for the night so that I can have more fun in the morning when I am ALWAYS horny.
When a girl is really great, I can wish to see her multiple days.
Now commenting on someone else's topic.
The price of girls varies tremendously. Apparently some guys can get a girl for whole night for 1000 Baht. Other girls will not even do short time for that amount.
I could not respect a girl who will go for the whole night for 1000 Baht, unless the night is starting as late as 2AM.
Some bar girls get 1K tips just for dancing sexy. They don't need guys offering 1K for the night. On the other hand desperate girls will take 1K.
I never go with girls of a low standard to be that desperate in Bangkok.
Other places, the price is lower because the cost of living is also lower.
It amazes me that some guys can have a large food and drink bill but will still want a girl for the night for 1K.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]They simply couldn't understand why any Farang would end up with such a girl. I have to say, I was hard-pressed to explain it to them.[/QUOTE]
Simple! You should have said: "Admire the craft and ingenuity of your impoverished countrywomen. Unlike you, they weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths. Admire how they have avoided working for your fathers and uncles for a pittance in their shithole factories, offices and shops."
But I expect you told them something far more pleasing to their fragrant nouveau-riche ears ;).
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Oh yes, that's another thing I don't quite get. Trophy photo taking.[/QUOTE]
Like I said: No excuses, no prevarication; lets' see your stunners, then we can decide whether or not your sneering is justified.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Simple! You should have said: "Admire the craft and ingenuity of your impoverished countrywomen. Unlike you, they weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths. Admire how they have avoided working for your fathers and uncles for a pittance in their shithole factories, offices and shops."
But I expect you told them something far more pleasing to their fragrant nouveau-riche ears ;).
[/QUOTE]
OTH,
Like me, you're a guy who's spent many long days picking fruit under the hot sun (just like a rice-farmer's daughter) and working other crappy jobs to make a living. I'm sure you must still have a bit of empathy for those living in poverty. How soon we forget.
The desperate girls at immigration are just looking for better opportunites in life, nervously and excitedly in anticipation of a better life elsewhere, just like you were when you turned up at Thailand immigration so many years ago.
Don't sneer at the less fortunate - condescension is simply a way of making oneself feel superior than those you think are below you.
And don't take this as a flame. Like you, I had a reasonably good life in my home country, and ventured elsewhere for probably the same reasons you did.
Hi Tim,
Thanks for your advice/opinion. I am coming from Europe as that is where I currently live but I am originally from South East Asia and the jet lag for me is manageable. I plan to stay in BKK for 5 days and wanted to take 3 nights at Koh Samui. I don't plan to travel more than that. I am sure there is a lot to do and see in BKK, but staying in the same place for 5 days is enough for me, I tend to want to move on. I thought of taking a flight to Koh samui in between my stay in BKK and come back, that's it.
[QUOTE=Piper1]
The desperate girls at immigration are just looking for better opportunites in life, nervously and excitedly in anticipation of a better life elsewhere. just like you did when you turned up at Thailand immigration so many years ago.[/QUOTE]
If I may add to that, the system that has evolved which distributes of wealth based on which side of a line on a map someone is far more arbitrary than just about anything that has been deliberately constructed by man.
Similarly economic structures which penalize some and reward others based on trivial genetic differences that have nothing to do with merit are similarly absurd.
Now, I am white, male, university educated, from 1st world, English speaking country. In terms of the opportunities that gives me in the world, its a fucking winning lottery ticket in the Mega-super-double-draw with both of the energizer bunny's bonus balls and with no other winners on jackpot night.
Do I think it is right? Of course not. Should my chances of (just for example) getting a high paying job be increased over say someone of similar merit who happens to be black? Of course not. Female? Of course not. That doesn't change the fact that statistically that's what happens.
Now, I acknowledge my good luck, and, even feel (uselessly) guilty about it sometimes - certainly whatever I am feeling about it it is never far from my mind that I did nothing to deserve a lot of the opportunities I have.
The idea of denigrating or demeaning someone simply because their numbers failed to come up in the big lottery is, to my mind, so out of touch with reality it ceases to even be offensive, and when I've seen people behaving in that manner, my thoughts wander more to the mystified 'how did they come to the conclusion they are better' rather than the aggressive 'that cock-knocker needs a kicking'.
If anything, our winning lottery tickets ethically obligate us, to at least partly, ensure that those who have less opportunity than us are treated with more dignity rather than less. (How I reconcile this with sticking my fetid knob in them, I am not sure - apart from to say there's a little devil and a little saint in all of us... and, redistribution of wealth???).
Now Jungle Bluebird isn't really clear on what his reaction to the staff's treatment of the girls at the embassies is, but I have seen it myself a few times and I have been fucking appalled.
I understand that these people have been given a job to do, and I don't want to debate the merits of immigration policy. What I object to is the mother loving fucking relish these embassy staff seem to take in making the process as difficult as possible - no I've never taken anyone through it myself, but I have had Thai friends, both male and female who have been through it. The questions asked are oftentimes degrading - the answers to these questions are, from what I can see wholly ignored and documentary evidence is the only thing that carries any weight anyway, so why demean people by asking them?
Jumped up little fuckstarts. Seriously having even a 2 minute conversation with the little bastards (and I say this with the knowledge of the US, Oz and UK embassies) is like drinking a cup of someone else's cold vomit - and that is if they have gone out of their way to be nice.
The idea of being offended or somehow looking down on the girls we see in the embassies, I say once more is utterly incomprehensible to anyone who gives it even the slightest modicum of thought. We be should overcome with respect for these girls who willingly swim through the river of diarrhea that we've constructed in order to make a better life for themselves.
I've never been asked to demean myself simply to be assured of food on the table every night, healthcare and education for myself and my loved ones. I hope I never am asked, but one thing is certain, if someday I am less fortunate and, I deem that demeaning myself to provide for myself or my loved ones is necessary, I will certainly feel no shame for doing so and will look back of my actions with the pride of one who was willing to do what was necessary for the right reasons. I would hope that others would see the honour in my actions also.
So, if anyone was curious, those are my thoughts on the matter :)
[QUOTE=Blunderer]So, if anyone was curious, those are my thoughts on the matter :)[/QUOTE]Some very good points indeed! Thanks!
[QUOTE=Globotto]I would say 1000+ tip. So sure 1200 is average. It seems here to go less than 1000 is sort of demeaning and cheap but if its a girl your friends with anything can be negoitiated.
Rather than focus on rate i would like to bring the question of good service up. First what defines bad sex:
Bad Sex can be defined as:
1. Kisses with neither little or no lip movement nor any tongue.
2. Gives a hand job in a beating manner without concern for giving a good sensation.
3. Gives oral sex with little or no saliva resulting in no sensation.
4. Contorts body in ways not conducive to functional intercourse.
5. Stares off in the distance, daydreams basically the mind is thinking about something else.
6. Makes like a possum and plays dead.
I would like to add one more but its is not service related:
7. A Body that looks like a diesaster that is grotesque disfigurements.
I wonder if it may be a good idea to start a "Bad Sex" thread. Maybe even a " "Most Unwanted List" mugshots required. Weeding out the Bad Apples will leave only a Sea of Ripe Tomatoes.[/QUOTE]Globotto and Blunderer,
Thanks a lot for your meaningful replies. Much appreciated.
Blunderer.
Hear hear.
Well put.
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Simple! You should have said: "Admire the craft and ingenuity of your impoverished countrywomen. Unlike you, they weren't born with silver spoons in their mouths. Admire how they have avoided working for your fathers and uncles for a pittance in their shithole factories, offices and shops." But I expect you told them something far more pleasing to their fragrant nouveau-riche ears ;).[QUOTE]
First of all, this started off as JB's comment on the low-quality appearance of these women, not on their social status. You can and do have quite ugly rich women in Thailand, as well. The curiosity of my students extended no further than why, in a country of such beautiful women Farangs seem to often end up with such ugly (and old!!!!) 'slappers'. It had nothing to do with the social status of these women, just appearance.
But, in fact, as a result of the "impoverished countrywomen" like this, who aren't quite the wide-eyed innocents that Piper portrays in his post, eagerly awaiting, as it were their new life, (albeit, read opportunistic hookers), all Thai women get tarred with the same brush.
TT, the "silver spoons in their mouths" didn't help. My students, who are Thai females and yes, extremely rich (old money, not 'nouveau', btw) were treated in the same appalling manner as the ugly country bumpkins.
I have been through this, as well with a girlfriend, who was equally abused by the Canadian Embassy. Just before my GF went in for her interview, some low-life, upcountry English teacher with his rent-a-slag-turned-wife, all tarted up in Nana street clothes and too much make-up had their go with the interviewer (who was Thai, BTW). After the third degree, his new wife managed to get the visa, largely because she owned a shitty piece of rock-strewn land in Roi-et and therefore was deemed likely to return to Thailand because she was a "land-owner" (what a fucking joke!). When it came to my GF's turn, despite having a good job working at the university where I was teaching at the time, she was given an incredibly hard time simply because she didn't own anything in Thailand and was therefore deemed a high risk of becoming an illegal immigrant. She had a letter of support from the president of the university, letters of support from my family and a financial guarantee from me. She did get the visa, but only after be treated like a common prostitute. In contrast, the aforementioned slag was likely to dump her new hubby, once in Canada, not return to Thailand and turn pro, as has happened often when so-called "reformed hookers" have been taken there. There are Thai hookers working in massage parlors etc. in Toronto and Vancouver who probably got there this way.
Anyway, as always happens here, this debate has moved from JB's curiosity at the obvious bad taste of Farang seeking a "better life" for their ugly skanks to a social issue of the poor vs. the rich.
It's true that one rarely sees a beautiful P4P girl (and even I agree that there are many) on the arm of her new hubby heading to his country for a new life. Those types never want to leave. It's always the old, ugly and desperate who latch onto some hapless Farang like a barnacle on a waterlogged boat, that one so often sees lined up at the embassies. It's this type that gives a bad name to all Thai women worldwide.
But, also in fairness, it's the fault of the morons at the various embassies who can't seem to differentiate and thus treat all Thai women wanting to travel outside the country like shit.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
I understand that these people have been given a job to do, and I don't want to debate the merits of immigration policy. What I object to is the mother loving fucking relish these embassy staff seem to take in making the process as difficult as possible - no I've never taken anyone through it myself, but I have had Thai friends, both male and female who have been through it. The questions asked are oftentimes degrading - the answers to these questions are, from what I can see wholly ignored and documentary evidence is the only thing that carries any weight anyway, so why demean people by asking them?
Jumped up little fuckstarts. Seriously having even a 2 minute conversation with the little bastards (and I say this with the knowledge of the US, Oz and UK embassies) is like drinking a cup of someone else's cold vomit - and that is if they have gone out of their way to be nice.
The idea of being offended or somehow looking down on the girls we see in the embassies, I say once more is utterly incomprehensible to anyone who gives it even the slightest modicum of thought. We be should overcome with respect for these girls who willingly swim through the river of diarrhea that we've constructed in order to make a better life for themselves.
I've never been asked to demean myself simply to be assured of food on the table every night, healthcare and education for myself and my loved ones. I hope I never am asked, but one thing is certain, if someday I am less fortunate and, I deem that demeaning myself to provide for myself or my loved ones is necessary, I will certainly feel no shame for doing so and will look back of my actions with the pride of one who was willing to do what was necessary for the right reasons. I would hope that others would see the honour in my actions also.
So, if anyone was curious, those are my thoughts on the matter :)[/QUOTE]
Blunderer,I do not know which nationality you are and therefore how you go thru the Immigration at any airport of the country unde topic, but the behaviour of the officers is disgusting enough that no wonder some weak mind might have bad thoughts.
The latest common practice at the borders is to threaten the visitor with silly questions, trying to prove you and see how you react adn end up with the significant statement, (from the officer!) " you make me waste x minutes of my precious time"
No wonder then when in the confort of offices with nothing else to do than trying to reject visa application they have the behviour you point out.
Enough said from my side, let's not bother much the folks here since this is still a P4P forum and not a social one...
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Blunderer,I do not know which nationality you are and therefore how you go thru the Immigration at any airport of the country[/QUOTE]
For the sake of anonymity, let's just say I've got one of the 'good' ones that gives pretty much unrestricted travel all over the world (so it is something like a US, UK, Oz, NZ, Canadian style one).
Forgive me now, because I genuinely didn't understand the rest of your post.
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unde topic, but the behaviour of the officers is disgusting enough that no wonder some weak mind might have bad thoughts.
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I think you are trying to say that the officers deliberately behave badly in an attempt to upset the weaker minded applicants and catch them in a lie or something else that makes them look bad?
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The latest common practice at the borders is to threaten the visitor with silly questions, trying to prove you and see how you react adn end up with the significant statement, (from the officer!) " you make me waste x minutes of my precious time"
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I think you are getting at the same point again, after they go through the process of trying to unsettle people, they then add insult to, well, insult by saying 'You've wasted my time by not letting me catch you in a lie'.
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No wonder then when in the confort of offices with nothing else to do than trying to reject visa application they have the behviour you point out.
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OK, now I understood you, but I disagree. Yes they are in their protected little worlds and probably don't even think of themselves as the same species as applicants, but, my understanding of what their jobs are is to apply the immigration law of their host nation fairly and appropriately.
In reality, it seems that every attempt is made to interpret the law in a way that disfavours the applicant, and, sick pleasure is taken in finding new ways to disallow visas.
Also, I think Old Thai Hand mentioned below, that it is now locally hired staff that do much of the early work on these visa applications - certainly the friends of mine I referred to earlier were all interviewed by Thais initially (I can't remember if they were interviewed by someone else later). The ones who went to the American embassy were interviewed by real live Americans, I don't know if they have got local staff in there now as well, but if they do, they were the last to do so out of the embassies I've heard about - so you can forget about the Americans for the rest of this bit of my rant, it doesn't apply to them (by good luck I am sure rather than any sensitivity, we are all as bad as each other ;)) Now I realize the locally hired staff thing was a big cost cutting exercise, but, did anybody stop to thing of extra dimension of demoralization these Thai staff cause - bear with me here.
Right, using the Australians as an example. In the old days, Thai girl wanders into the embassy and is asked various insulting questions by an Australian, 'Are you pregnant?', 'Are you not pregnant because you are a man?', 'How many STDs have you had?', 'How many STDs do you have right now?' (these are all geniune questions by the way, although they weren't all asked to the same person, and not all at the same embassy). The point here is these questions are being asked by an Australian, so, she can walk out of the interview and try and brush off a bit of the more insulting stuff by thinking, he's an areshole farang, or, he just doesn't understand my culture or something of that nature.
When the interviewer becomes Thai, I think these questions suddenly become a lot more insulting. You are the same nationality as me, we share the same cultural history and cultural norms, yet, you are looking at me and judging me to be capable of getting myself pregnant to ensnare a man, or, to have such a cavalier attitude to my sexual health as to allow myself to become rife with disease. You have been around people of this culture for you entire life and you judge that I could be someone that irresponsible/immoral/any other im, ir, un or anti you care to mention.
To put my point in a clearer light, British bloke (Jim) walks into a bar, sees his friend and shouts from the door 'Nigel you big tosser'.
The Thai guy in the corner is silently thinking 'How rude, shouting something offensive across the bar to some guy'.
Now, for the sake of argument (and this would never happen without a lot of alcohol involved), Thai guy tells Jim that he thinks he has behaved badly. Jim doesn't think anything of it because, the Thai guy doesn't understand that culturally the English can address each other in an offensive manner as an expression of affection.
On the other hand, if Jason (another English guy sitting in the same bar) says something to Jim about his behavior being inappropriate, he's likely to sit back at have a bit of a better look at his actions and worry if maybe he was a bit too loud or effusive.
Ok, shitty example, but I trust I've made my point.
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Enough said from my side, let's not bother much the folks here since this is still a P4P forum and not a social one...[/QUOTE]
Somewhere in the FAQ or something it mentions that this is a travel & P4P forum.... all of this stuff has a bearing on both, and you never know when some of this will have an impact on your travel or your mongering, so I think it is OK to keep chatting about it. If it is annoying someone, please post and I'll move it somewhere else.
[QUOTE=Globotto]I would say 1000+ tip. So sure 1200 is average. It seems here to go less than 1000 is sort of demeaning and cheap but if its a girl your friends with anything can be negoitiated.
Rather than focus on rate i would like to bring the question of good service up. First what defines bad sex:
Bad Sex can be defined as:
1. Kisses with neither little or no lip movement nor any tongue.
2. Gives a hand job in a beating manner without concern for giving a good sensation.
3. Gives oral sex with little or no saliva resulting in no sensation.
4. Contorts body in ways not conducive to functional intercourse.
5. Stares off in the distance, daydreams basically the mind is thinking about something else.
6. Makes like a possum and plays dead.
I would like to add one more but its is not service related:
7. A Body that looks like a diesaster that is grotesque disfigurements.
I wonder if it may be a good idea to start a "Bad Sex" thread. Maybe even a " "Most Unwanted List" mugshots required. Weeding out the Bad Apples will leave only a Sea of Ripe Tomatoes.[/QUOTE]
Lets not have a Bad sex thread.
We already have "Places to be avoided".
Each person has their own likes and dislikes.
We don't need the negativity and boredom of finely analysing exactly why we dislike some girl or her performance. Its either a GFE experience, or its half hearted, or its business like.
She is either a pornstar, highly skilled, ordinary, or pathetic. I would rather hear about the fabulous experiences in greater detail.
[QUOTE=Margaya]So guys,
What would you say is a fair rate a beautiful SW
1200 baht for ST
? For LT
Please advise[/QUOTE]
At a web site on Bangkok Bargirls, the average ST price paid for girls from Soi Cowboy or Nana Plaza bars was 13xx Baht (close to 1400).
"Star of Light" charges 700 Baht for extended Head Job and 1000 Baht for full sex (per girl).
Not all of these girls would be "beautiful", but bar girls tend to be on the expensive side.
Now you can get cheaper girls elsewhere, like beer gardens, street walkers, etc.
The price of a girl varies tremendously and is way cheaper in Pattaya for example. You will never know how much a girl is really happy with. Newbies should discuss the price first to avoid misunderstandings.
If she gives better service than you expected, you can always tip extra.
I tend to tip extra for exceptionally long sex sessions or if she gave exceptional service in order to be fair and in order not to be labelled "cheap charlie".
It probably means I might want to collect her number for a future repeat.
I prefer to take a gamble with a new girl less often since my mongering opportunities are limited.
If I was fabulous looking, perhaps I wouldn't need to tip well, but alas am just average.
Now you actually asked about LT and there the prices varies even more since depends on whether the girl has something better to do with her time and whether she is happy with you. She might even stay the whole night for no extra charge in rare cases.
For me I assume double the ST price as a starting point, sice I will want to have sex with her again in the morning.
If the night starts very late, less than double the short time price might well be accepted. On the other hand some girls might want more than double the price for a looong night.
I prefer to take girls for a short time first to see how good is the chemistry.
Only if we get on exceptionally well, am I likely to ask her to re-think for an all nighter.
For those that can't stand to wake up alone, you may need an all-nighter regardless.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
Forgive me now, because I genuinely didn't understand the rest of your post.......
Somewhere in the FAQ or something it mentions that this is a travel & P4P forum.... all of this stuff has a bearing on both, and you never know when some of this will have an impact on your travel or your mongering, so I think it is OK to keep chatting about it. If it is annoying someone, please post and I'll move it somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Blunderer,
I think we are more or less on the same path.
Some of my twisted statements have also to do with english not being my mother language.
Hence also my last sentence on "enough said" (from me!).
I appreciate that anyones contribution helps the debate, the understanding and adds also more to anyone personal knowledge of what is going in this world, also when i tis not only referred to pure P4P.
But it is a fact that in the past years a huge raise of suspicious is surrounding everybody's acts (when just a bit outside the common definition of morally normal, be it sex, politics, etc).
This is then expressed by attitudes.
The examples you pointed out are perfect and I do agree certain officers behaeviours are even worst when happening on same nationality basis.
Naerly all world laws are based on "I am innocent till you prove I am guilty".
In reality, what is often happening, is that "you are guilty - and I do not know exaatly on what - by default and you have to prove me you are innocent".
To enforce that, the silly questions at the borders, at embassies and in general confrontations wiht "the powers".
In my country a say (allegedely sticked to "old chinese say") states: "beat your wife, you do not know why, but she knows".
Of coruse there is always little bit of exaggeration in my or out statements just to help on highlighting some points.
Anyhow..happy mongering to all for the weekend!
[QUOTE=Bionicman]Blunderer,
I think we are more or less on the same path.
Some of my twisted statements have also to do with english not being my mother language.[/QUOTE]
Yep - worked that out, I think I could take a pretty good guess at what your first language is - your english is pretty good though.
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But it is a fact that in the past years a huge raise of suspicious is surrounding everybody's acts (when just a bit outside the common definition of morally normal, be it sex, politics, etc).
This is then expressed by attitudes.
The examples you pointed out are perfect and I do agree certain officers behaeviours are even worst when happening on same nationality basis.
Naerly all world laws are based on "I am innocent till you prove I am guilty".
In reality, what is often happening, is that "you are guilty - and I do not know exaatly on what - by default and you have to prove me you are innocent".
To enforce that, the silly questions at the borders, at embassies and in general confrontations wiht "the powers".
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Actually I don't think the current situation is a result of the 11/9 or any of that stuff... the stuff I was talking about that I know of personally was before then.
The big difference between law and the visa thing what happens with doubt and suspicion.
In legal arenas, one must be proved guilty beyond all reasonable doubt.
In visa arenas one must be proved guilty beyond all reasonable suspicion.
[QUOTE]
In my country a say (allegedely sticked to "old chinese say") states: "beat your wife, you do not know why, but she knows".
Of coruse there is always little bit of exaggeration in my or out statements just to help on highlighting some points.
Anyhow..happy mongering to all for the weekend![/QUOTE]
Haha, I know that saying and do find it entertaining. I've always known it to be attributed to the Greeks, but I have also heard the same thing from the Turks and the Azerbaijanis. If I may be sol bold as to restate it so our brethren may enjoy it fully:
You should beat your woman at least once a day.
If you don't know why; she does!
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
For me I assume double the ST price as a starting point, sice I will want to have sex with her again in the morning.
If the night starts very late, less than double the short time price might well be accepted. On the other hand some girls might want more than double the price for a looong night.[/QUOTE]
When you don't think of things in terms of ST, then double ST becomes a bit meaningless, but, I will say, I haven't seen anyone else who is into ST talk about doubling that number for LT.
Without ever writing it down or hearing anyone say it, I've always been under the very strong impression (such a strong impression, I've never really even thought about it) that the LT fee 'should' be approx 150% of the ST fee (who the hell knows what should means in this context, I may well have just discovered a new definition for the word).
The woman does not need to work as hard for 1 LT as 2 STs (no more wandering the streets that night). The risk to her is lowered, she gets a nice place to sleep, and, she is guaranteed more money than one ST fee. If she blows you off in the hopes of 2 STs she may get none, and if she forces you into ST, she may get nothing after you, so similarly ends up with a financial loss. Every woman has her own risk:gain ratio I guess.
I really would encourage you to start thinking of LT fee = 1.5 x ST fee
Cheers,
Blunderer
Last one I took out from a bar, dollhouse-cowboy earlier this year, asked me to get her out of there for just "a little bit". So I did, 600 bf and gave her 500 st. She was the dancer right when you walk in beautiful little girl with a nice clean shaven pussy, great performer. She was happy enough and asked for no taxi money afterwards.
This my second time to Thailand and first time staying at Livingstone’s Lodge. I stayed here for a week and then went to Dubai and came back for one weekend. I highly recommend this hotel. Great atmosphere, and service. I did not spend much time in the lounge but there are many pretty ladies there who are good company. My friend took one the first night and stayed with her all week. Very nice beautiful lady. I like Soi 33 it has a cool feel to it with all of the hostesses sitting out front of the bars. A lot of my trip was spent in other areas but I always liked coming back to 33 after a night out. Here is a summary of my trip my apologies if it is a little long:
Before Bangkok my friend and I went to Pattaya. I have been there once before and for some reason I just can’t get into the place. There are some nice bargirls but so many of them go so hard for the drink hustle that its kind of a drag. The go-gos were pretty good but the girls don’t seem as friendly as in Bangkok, less eye contact and flirting from the stage. I also found the hotness level a little lower overall in Pattaya. I visited Dream Teen massage even though I have heard mixed reports about the place. A couple of real hotties work there and I found the service to be good albeit mechanical. On the last night we hit Marine Disco and that place was pretty fun. I wanted to go back to one of the Sabai’s but didn’t make it. But after my trip to BKK I don’t know if I will ever bother going back to Pattaya.
In Bangkok after checking in I headed straight for Sanzanka for the full treatment. I knew where to go because of Giotto’s great massage review post, located in reports of distinction I think. I found the scrub and massage to be excellent but the HJ didn’t blow my mind like it does for some others, and the girl wasn’t that hot (but I was expecting this). I returned to Sanzanka one more time and it was good but not mind blowing.
I went to Akane twice both times with Manami (SP? ). The first time was amazing, Manami was a blast and very good at her job. She was singing in Thai to me the whole time and her whole vibe was refreshing and great. The second time wasn’t quite as good as the first but excellent nonetheless. For this place I would suggest getting there early because I have a feeling the ladies get snatched up quick.
I visited Angel Massage once and went with Cherry. OK session, but mechanical. Very pretty lady and friendly but just going through the motions. I don’t expect anything more from these girls, they have a very demanding job. But some are very skilled at making it seem not very mechanical like Manami from Akane she is a true talent!
I wanted to get a lot soapies during this trip but I only ended up getting one. I went to Nataree, because I heard they are one of the few using the mattress and because of their close proximity to the MRT station. There are two doors at Nataree and I first walked into the far one and saw a disappointing fishbowl, and the papasan said only oil massage no soapy! I told him I was surprised and he didn’t tell me about the other entrance. I left and saw the other entrance and went in. It was like a café with booths and a fairly well-stocked fishbowl. There seemed to be quite a few sideliners sitting around all being very friendly. The papasan explained that the sideliners don’t do soapy ‘only sex’. I picked a stunner from the fishbowl who seemed real friendly. She was gorgeous and good at the soapy part. The sex was good but mechanical, but damn she was hot! I have always found soapy sex to be mechanical. I just don’t think there is enough rapport built up in a fishbowl situation. At least at go-gos you can look and flirt and determine if the girl actually has a tiny bit of interest apart from money. Overall I would recommend Nataree because it is well stocked with stunners and you can take the train and don’t have to worry about dealing with taxi surcharge BS.
I spent a few nights the Rainbows (1 &4) in Nana. I found a lot of the ladies very friendly even though I have heard of their preference for Japanese customers. A lot of smiles from the stage. I took one from R4 named Tiki (Sp? ) up to one of the short time rooms in Nana (which weren’t as bad as I thought they would be). I paid 2000B because I didn’t bargain, I know, I know, I’m a push over but I have problems bargaining with beautiful ladies. She offered LT which I kind of regret not taking, because it would have been nice to have her in my hotel for the night. She was great, you can tell a lot of these girls are watching Jap porn because of the way they sqeal etc.
On another night in R1 had many incredible beauties smiling and making eye contact but I didn’t have enough power to go for it due to visits to Sanzanka and Nataree earlier. At that point I made a mental note to not waste power during the day on not-so-hot situations (ie Sanzanka) because there are so many stunners available in this town at night. If I was living here or on a longer trip then I wouldn’t feel the need to maximize my time like this.
On my final visit to R1 I pulled a not so hot dancer for a short time. She started to stroking me under the table and I kind of lost my head. Nice body but with so many ladies available in that place I wouldn’t have chosen her if she hadn’t been so good at the hard sell. I am learning that these go-gos require discipline! Whenever I make mistakes like that I just want to get it over with so I went very short time with her upstairs and got out of Nana, I guess I’m still a newbie.
I went out clubbing with a friend of mine who has lived here for many years. He was surprised I knew more about Bangkok ‘entertainment’ than him (Thanks ISG). After going to Bed Supperclub etc. And some other boring places we hit some sleazy after hours starting with Tunnel. I have heard great things about this place but the night we went it was a bit of a sausage party. I had one young hottie grinding against me on the dance floor but she was too hopped up on Yaba and I thought she was going to chew her bottom lip off so I avoided. I have heard Tunnel is good on weekdays and starts going around 1am, not many cabbies know it though. It’s a fairly nice club with good music and a good dance floor.
After Tunnel we hit Spicy at about 4am. Spicy wasn’t so good that night but I went few nights later and there were lot of hot FL’s (or that’s what they appeared to be). Spicy s a bit of a S***hole with linoleum floors and crappy black lights, the music is hip hop which I don’t love but it is pretty much impossible not to get laid in this place and it goes until 6am. We had problems finding cabbies who know this place too, also note that this is NOT Spice Club on Suk Soi 11.
Only went to Soi Cowboy a couple of times. Baccara seems really good, lots of stunners. I pulled very hot lady from Living Dolls LT for a couple of nights, very good time finally some non-mechanical sex! I am actually 75% sure she had real orgasms! ;.)
It was a great trip overall. I spent some time learning Thai before the trip which helped immensely, the ladies respond well if you can say a few word. I used ‘paak wan’ a lot, which means ‘sweet mouth’ or you are bullshitting me right now with all of your compliments. Daddy’s Thai phrases sheet posted under reports of distinction is a great resources as is the Pimsleur Thai audio course. Thanks to all who have shared their experience on this board it has helped me a lot.
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[QUOTE=Blunderer]When you don't think of things in terms of ST, then double ST becomes a bit meaningless, but, I will say, I haven't seen anyone else who is into ST talk about doubling that number for LT.
Without ever writing it down or hearing anyone say it, I've always been under the very strong impression (such a strong impression, I've never really even thought about it) that the LT fee 'should' be approx 150% of the ST fee (who the hell knows what should means in this context, I may well have just discovered a new definition for the word).
The woman does not need to work as hard for 1 LT as 2 STs (no more wandering the streets that night). The risk to her is lowered, she gets a nice place to sleep, and, she is guaranteed more money than one ST fee. If she blows you off in the hopes of 2 STs she may get none, and if she forces you into ST, she may get nothing after you, so similarly ends up with a financial loss. Every woman has her own risk:gain ratio I guess.
I really would encourage you to start thinking of LT fee = 1.5 x ST fee
Cheers,
Blunderer[/QUOTE]
I may well think differently to other guys.
I take a long time to come, so its hard work for the girl.
I probably take even longer the second time, although if in the morning I may be a little quicker due to a good sleep.
So the second round deserves the same consideration as the first round. Then there is all those extra hours we got the girl for.I find that girls can be a bit more economical when booked for several days.
Don't assume that the girl always wants to waste upteen extra hours with a customer that maybe she doesn't go for in a big way.
I know that some girls are happy with 1.5 times the short time fee for an easy customer.
I know others who don't like to do long time hardly at all. Its probably because they think that 1.5 times is shit money really. They would rather get another ST booking same night or just go home.
Some girls do more than 2 STs in the same night. Why go LT unless the money is good or its real late already.
I am into long time if the girl is really wonderful.
In this event, I am not likely to be in a stingy mood, and instead generous.
Otherwise (if not that great) there is no point in LT.
Just fuck her and hope she goes home.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]My students, who are Thai females and yes, extremely rich (old money, not 'nouveau', btw)[/QUOTE]
Ah, I understand. Their [I]grandparents[/I] property-developed their paddy fields.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand].....were treated in the same appalling manner as the ugly country bumpkins.[/QUOTE]
And quite rightly so. Your hiso lovelies often go completely off the rails once they are on the other side of the world from their families, clubbing and drug-taking way beyond the financial allowances provided by said families. Drug dealing and prostitution are not uncommon among these girls in order to maintain their lifestyles. I should know: I've shagged (and paid) a few of them in London on my business trips.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Without ever writing it down or hearing anyone say it, I've always been under the very strong impression (such a strong impression, I've never really even thought about it) that the LT fee 'should' be approx 150% of the ST fee
[/QUOTE]Blunderer, I agree with you that LT should be 150% of ST fee, how it looks from the girl's perspective is a difficult matter.
[QUOTE]The woman does not need to work as hard for 1 LT as 2 STs [/QUOTE]
Maybe, but depends on the customer. I usually make sure I have 3 goes for an LT. Some girls cannot sleep too well during an LT.
[QUOTE]The risk to her is lowered, she gets a nice place to sleep, and, she is guaranteed more money than one ST fee. [/QUOTE]Don't buy the "nice place to sleep" argument. Even I'd rather sleep in my own bed than in a 5* hotel with a stranger I don't know and might not like. The only lower risk is if the LT customer is pleasant, they don't have to meet another uncertain one.
As for the guaranteed more money -- it depends. If a girl can expect an over 50% probability of another ST -- it's better to take the chance. Moreover, she might even get a late-night LT after your ST.
I can see why a girl would ask 200% of the ST fee for an LT.
Well, I know I will get heat for this one LOL.
From my end I do understand the embassy staff. Being daily exposed to the riff raff of Thai society must be utterly depressing. Traveling to the 'western world' without or limited education, is gutsy to the say the least. Or, just outright stupid.
Funny thing though is that most of them, regardless how old or ugly do find a guy to pick'em up, feed and trust them. And without a doubt, beaten by life and having the scars to show for it, these hags may serve their masters for many years to come. Or, just take their sweet hearts money and run :-)
JB
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
Now Jungle Bluebird isn't really clear on what his reaction to the staff's treatment of the girls at the embassies is, but I have seen it myself a few times and I have been fucking appalled.[/QUOTE]
Spend a lot of time at the embassies, do you, JB?
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Traveling to the 'western world' without or limited education.....[/QUOTE]
Making a statement like that in such pisspoor English is kind of like shooting yourself in the foot :D.
btw, Where are those stunners?
I have on a few occasions visited the Embassy and viewed the unfortunates within, and while I admit I considered the matrimonial incongruity my emotional response was one of sympathy for oppressed persons having to deal with oppressors.
If any persons at the Embassy are to be reproached for their behaviour or character, it should be the empowered ones behind the bullet-proof glass, not the victims. Kicking a girl when she's down is a lot more reprehensible than talking loudly or picking your nose.
[QUOTE=Opebo] Kicking a girl when she's down is a lot more reprehensible than talking loudly or picking your nose.[/QUOTE]
What, they are actually knocking visa applicants over and kicking them now? I guess it was the logical next step...
Thanks PlatformMonger, I will be visiting BKK for the first time and reports like yours are very useful.
Thanks for sharing your experience
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]
Well Terrier, fact is, it's your money what gets you laid. And you only get by cheap as this country successfully maintains a system of social injustice. Every time you pay a P4P girl for services you only foster the very engine that drives the girls into prostitution.
Yes, I am no different. I exploit and take ample advantage what Thai society serves me. But heck, I make no attempt to cover my tracks with the usual social bla bla posted.
JB[/QUOTE]
Now, this is a *very* good point and one well worth of discussion, but maybe in another section. That being said, I am too bone idle to move it myself, so if someone does, please post here so I can follow it.
Now, this my friends I find to be a fairly grey area - how does one reconcile having respect for all (or most) fellow human beings and thinking of them as equal, whilst exploiting the status quo in order to liberate our pools of caffeine infested semen from our nicotine stained knobs in the most pleasant possible way.
There are a few short answers to my mind.
The first is an absolute cop out, but does have the virtue of being true. Even if I (and by I I mean the the third person I) stopped doing it, the industry would continue unimpeded.
The second is that without this industry, Thai tourism (by way of example) would be seriously knocked about, and a lot more Thais would be going hungry.
Third (and this is a good one I think).. why does it have to be demeaning to them to pay these women to be surrogate girlfriends or wives? Now, I am sure there are quite a few guys who actively enjoy demeaning women, but, they are the minority (or so one would judge from the content of this board). Why is it OK to pay someone to talk, but not OK to pay them to pork? Is a massage demeaning to the masseuse? Is sticking fingers up your arse demeaning to the proctologist? I'm not going on the attack, but, it is possible that your assumption that you are taking advantage of these women is demeaning in itself, or delusional, or both. We judge things by our own morality, but why do we treat sex as sacred? (A few hundred years of right-wing Christianity will do it - well what I think of as the right-wing equivalent preindustrially anyway). What's so fucking sacred about sex - seriously. Take the religious element away, and how is it so different to a massage, or, taking raw meat and cooking it for someone else? You can claim risk of disease, but then you'd have to say you are demeaning taxi drivers by using them because they are risking being robbed and killed in their line of work.
I have really warmed to argument 3 - in fact so much so, that it has completely taken the wind out of my sails for argument 4.
Assuming that paying these girls for sex is 'taking advantage of them' (and I maintain that it is a real stretch that that is true, even if someone is getting taken advantage of, I am not entirely sure it is the girl). So, even if it is taking advantage of them, why do we have to reconcile that with our respect for other human beings. Why can we not feel one way and act another? I do stupid fucked up self-destructive things all the time. Smoking is a pretty obvious example. I know it is bad for me, yet I still do it. I believe smoking is a terrible idea. I would encourage anyone to quit, and do all I can within reason to stop people starting. The human brain is a hell of a lot more complicated than simply - that's not what I like to see, so therefore I won't do it - we're a dizzying whirlpool of mashed up rainbows made from random parts of the psyche, every single one of us. Trying to reconcile our own behavior is an impossible task, trying to reconcile anyone else's is at least 2 and a half times as impossible by my calculations.
[QUOTE=PlatformMonger]This my second time to Thailand and first time staying at Livingstone’s Lodge. I stayed here for a week and then went to Dubai and came back for one weekend. I highly recommend this hotel. Great atmosphere, and service. I did not spend much time in the lounge but there are many pretty ladies there who are good company. My friend took one the first night and stayed with her all week. Very nice beautiful lady. I like Soi 33 it has a cool feel to it with all of the hostesses sitting out front of the bars. A lot of my trip was spent in other areas but I always liked coming back to 33 after a night out. Here is a summary of my trip my apologies if it is a little long:
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[/QUOTE]PlatformMonger,
Welcome to the forum, and many thanks for your long report.
It reminded me what this forum is all about, and though many of the places you visited here in Bangkok are mentioned already in other reports it provides your personal impression of the scene. I would like to read more reports like this, instead of the endless discussions about barfines, ST/LT rates and the differences between bar girls and regular Thai women (in the special environment of an embassy).
You mentioned some late night spots - we did not read much about those places here up to now (The Tunnel, Spicy etc.). I think I have to go out for a late night tour sooner in near future to provide some more information about those places.
Giotto
Could someone comment please on some daytime BJ bars in Bangkok?
I typically stay in the Amari BLV area when I go to Thailand. My thing is Massage places and daytime fun. I can't say I'm a fan of the $$ fishbowl scene, but other more hidden massage places is what I like to find.
I'm looking for great Massage places (minus the fishbowl choice "Cupids type places") for action and good massage.
Plus, what I really want to know is where there are BJ bars? I have been to one in the past, several steets away from Nana. I just walked in, picked a girl, and went upstairs to a curtain booth where had a seat and had some fun. Pretty fast easy fun, I must add, no hassle. Are these places common, if so where?
R
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
The second is that without this industry, Thai tourism (by way of example) would be seriously knocked about, and a lot more Thais would be going hungry.[/QUOTE]
This is an illusion.
In fact, sex tourism is a very minor part of overall tourism here. If the foreign sex industry stopped tomorrow, it wouldn't have nearly as much impact as you think. The very public foreign sex industry is a very tiny portion of the overall sex industry in this country. The Thai-oriented industry is huge, and mostly hidden. Most people working at Nana or wherever would simply find there way into the Thai sex industry. When the government talks about getting rid of prostitution, cleaning up Pattaya or whatever, they're just talking about the foreign prostitution industry because its visibility is an embarassment to the country. The Thai industry, largely because it's owned by the power elite will never disappear. But, it doesn't need to because it is very Thai: hidden and discreet...not blaring, glaring, loud and crude like the foreign industry.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]This is an illusion.
In fact, sex tourism is a very minor part of overall tourism here. If the foreign sex industry stopped tomorrow, it wouldn't have nearly as much impact as you think. The very public foreign sex industry is a very tiny portion of the overall sex industry in this country. The Thai-oriented industry is huge, and mostly hidden. Most people working at Nana or wherever would simply find there way into the Thai sex industry. When the government talks about getting rid of prostitution, cleaning up Pattaya or whatever, they're just talking about the foreign prostitution industry because its visibility is an embarassment to the country. The Thai industry, largely because it's owned by the power elite will never disappear. But, it doesn't need to because it is very Thai: hidden and discreet...not blaring, glaring, loud and crude like the foreign industry.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Thailand does not need the sex tourist anymore than China, Japan, Korea, etc., with more than enough culture, shopping and sites to support normal tourist activity. They also have thriving sex outlets that are just fine without outsiders, and more than enough support from locals. I would not say they are discreet, but they are definitely not in your face like Nana, Patpong, Soi Cowboy or Pattaya.
There will be some who would lose more than others, if the sex tourist would ever become extinct, but I think the general population would not weep if that happened.
AT2
[QUOTE=PlatformMonger]This my second time to Thailand and first time staying at Livingstone’s Lodge. I stayed here for a week and then went to Dubai and came back for one weekend. I highly recommend this hotel. Great atmosphere, and service. I did not spend much time in the lounge but there are many pretty ladies there who are good company. <cut>
Before Bangkok my friend and I went to Pattaya. I have been there once before and for some reason I just can’t get into the place. There are some nice bargirls but so many of them go so hard for the drink hustle that its kind of a drag. The go-gos were pretty good but the girls don’t seem as friendly as in Bangkok, less eye contact and flirting from the stage. I also found the hotness level a little lower overall in Pattaya. <cut>
I visited Dream Teen massage even though I have heard mixed reports about the place. A couple of real hotties work there and I found the service to be good albeit mechanical. <cut>
In Bangkok after checking in I headed straight for Sanzanka for the full treatment. I knew where to go because of Giotto’s great massage review post, located in reports of distinction I think. I found the scrub and massage to be excellent but the HJ didn’t blow my mind like it does for some others, and the girl wasn’t that hot (but I was expecting this). I returned to Sanzanka one more time and it was good but not mind blowing.
I went to Akane twice both times with Manami (SP? ). The first time was amazing, Manami was a blast and very good at her job. She was singing in Thai to me the whole time and her whole vibe was refreshing and great. The second time wasn’t quite as good as the first but excellent nonetheless. For this place I would suggest getting there early because I have a feeling the ladies get snatched up quick.<cut>
I wanted to get a lot soapies during this trip but I only ended up getting one. I went to Nataree, because I heard they are one of the few using the mattress and because of their close proximity to the MRT station. There are two doors at Nataree and I first walked into the far one and saw a disappointing fishbowl, and the papasan said only oil massage no soapy! I told him I was surprised and he didn’t tell me about the other entrance. I left and saw the other entrance and went in. It was like a café with booths and a fairly well-stocked fishbowl.
There seemed to be quite a few sideliners sitting around all being very friendly. The papasan explained that the sideliners don’t do soapy ‘only sex’. I picked a stunner from the fishbowl who seemed real friendly. She was gorgeous and good at the soapy part. The sex was good but mechanical, but damn she was hot! I have always found soapy sex to be mechanical. I just don’t think there is enough rapport built up in a fishbowl situation. At least at go-gos you can look and flirt and determine if the girl actually has a tiny bit of interest apart from money. Overall I would recommend Nataree because it is well stocked with stunners and you can take the train and don’t have to worry about dealing with taxi surcharge BS.
I spent a few nights the Rainbows (1 &4) in Nana. I found a lot of the ladies very friendly even though I have heard of their preference for Japanese customers. A lot of smiles from the stage. I took one from R4 named Tiki (Sp? ) up to one of the short time rooms in Nana (which weren’t as bad as I thought they would be). I paid 2000B because I didn’t bargain, I know, I know, I’m a push over but I have problems bargaining with beautiful ladies. She offered LT which I kind of regret not taking, because it would have been nice to have her in my hotel for the night. She was great, you can tell a lot of these girls are watching Jap porn because of the way they sqeal etc.
After Tunnel we hit Spicy at about 4am. Spicy wasn’t so good that night but I went few nights later and there were lot of hot FL’s (or that’s what they appeared to be). Spicy s a bit of a S***hole with linoleum floors and crappy black lights, the music is hip hop which I don’t love but it is pretty much impossible not to get laid in this place and it goes until 6am. We had problems finding cabbies who know this place too, also note that this is NOT Spice Club on Suk Soi 11.
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Platform Monger,
Great post. Nice to see someone's experiences posted. A couple of comments regarding your experiences. I agree 100% with your feeling for Pattaya. I too have never enjoyed the place and only go back once every few years. I promptly leave after a day or two, after finding that nothing has really changed. Just don't like the vibe, just like you mentioned.
I like one of the Teen massage places on Soi 33, but can't recall which one. I know it's on the right hand side of Soi 33, entering from Sukhumvit. Cute girls, shit hole rooms (big drawback), but overall I have had fun there.
I'm glad you found Nataree. It's one of my favorites. The girls in the fishbowl are the older woman. They say 30+. I really don't care, since I like real woman! It's a great change from the 20 year olds. Some of them actually can carry a decent conversation and bring some skills with them in bed. I spent a few days with one on her "holiday". Took her to a nice dinner and had a great GFE for two nights.
We must have the same tastes, since I still enjoy going to the Rainbow bars too. Yes, they are probably overpriced, but I have had many memorable nights with the girls there. Yeah, there are mercenaries, but most times you can pick them out real quick and get to the good ones.
I'm glad to hear Spicy is not the Spice Club. The Spice Club sucks in my opinion. Is Spicy the sister club to Boss? It sounds familiar and may have been there. I know I went to a club that stayed open till the early morning hours. Keep the posts coming.
AT2
I was walking on Sukhumvit near Emporium around Soi 33 when my eye caught a cutie shopping at a street vendor. I gawked as we passed and proceeded to ramble on about her good looks when my buddy said “ come on we turn back” and like a good friend he breaks conversation with her and her friend leaving me the timid one blushing in the background as he immediately breaks the news that I am interested in her. We pass phone numbers and I discover she works at one those Soi33 bars with 1200thb bar fine. Later she called me and I explain that I don’t hang out in Beer Bars but I was interested in a good girl like her and could see her when she is off.
Later she visited me and like friends we talked and watched a movie also like friends I told her about my life and she told me about hers. She said guys pay around 3000thb for short time around there but I she does not get a customer that often. She has to show up for work every day with only 2 days off a month. I explained again I wanted to be friends and later she fell asleep on my bed. There was a bit of curious morning fondling and that was it. The next few days Sms’s were passed aback and forth until finally we found time to meet again late at night. This time we got down to the big nasty. Her Bj was below average due to tooth contact. Sex was just average as well due to curvature of her back similar to the hump of turtle which is not attractive. I kept trying to get her to bend her ass upwards.
Also I must admit now that I know her a bit I am a bit tired of her words, she tries to intimidate me by calling me a butterfly or a liar, and then she thinks it cute to make jokes that are not funny but are lies. I just try to ignore that and smile. Other times she is just plain sweet. The next morning as she left she would not take any money other than 100thb for taxi. She said we are friends. This makes me feel uncomfortable in way like I have an open tab with an overpaid bar girl that needs performance improvement.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]This is an illusion.
In fact, sex tourism is a very minor part of overall tourism here. If the foreign sex industry stopped tomorrow, it wouldn't have nearly as much impact as you think. The very public foreign sex industry is a very tiny portion of the overall sex industry in this country. The Thai-oriented industry is huge, and mostly hidden. Most people working at Nana or wherever would simply find there way into the Thai sex industry. When the government talks about getting rid of prostitution, cleaning up Pattaya or whatever, they're just talking about the foreign prostitution industry because its visibility is an embarassment to the country. The Thai industry, largely because it's owned by the power elite will never disappear. But, it doesn't need to because it is very Thai: hidden and discreet...not blaring, glaring, loud and crude like the foreign industry.[/QUOTE]To Old Thai Hand,
I agree that foreign sex tourisum is a small part of thai industry maybe expect for the Japanese they are the biggest horn dog in the world, many private club are cater for the thai elite and the Japanese most foriegn will never know about this place is all over Bangkok and most of their customer is government and police officer on the take.
I don't the thai goverment will ever get rid of this industry if enconomy go bad in this country they will welcome our money with open arm.
[QUOTE=Randy O]Could someone comment please on some daytime BJ bars in Bangkok?
I typically stay in the Amari BLV area when I go to Thailand. My thing is Massage places and daytime fun. I can't say I'm a fan of the $$ fishbowl scene, but other more hidden massage places is what I like to find.
I'm looking for great Massage places (minus the fishbowl choice "Cupids type places") for action and good massage.
Plus, what I really want to know is where there are BJ bars? I have been to one in the past, several steets away from Nana. I just walked in, picked a girl, and went upstairs to a curtain booth where had a seat and had some fun. Pretty fast easy fun, I must add, no hassle. Are these places common, if so where?
R[/QUOTE]
Have you looked in the Massage Parlors thread? Post your question there if you don't find the answers.
[QUOTE=PlatformMonger]
Before Bangkok my friend and I went to Pattaya. I have been there once before and for some reason I just can’t get into the place. There are some nice bargirls but so many of them go so hard for the drink hustle that its kind of a drag. The go-gos were pretty good but the girls don’t seem as friendly as in Bangkok, less eye contact and flirting from the stage. I also found the hotness level a little lower overall in Pattaya. I visited Dream Teen massage even though I have heard mixed reports about the place. A couple of real hotties work there and I found the service to be good albeit mechanical. On the last night we hit Marine Disco and that place was pretty fun. I wanted to go back to one of the Sabai’s but didn’t make it. But after my trip to BKK I don’t know if I will ever bother going back to Pattaya.
In Bangkok after checking in I headed straight for Sanzanka for the full treatment. I knew where to go because of Giotto’s great massage review post, located in reports of distinction I think. I found the scrub and massage to be excellent but the HJ didn’t blow my mind like it does for some others, and the girl wasn’t that hot (but I was expecting this). I returned to Sanzanka one more time and it was good but not mind blowing.
I went to Akane twice both times with Manami (SP? ). The first time was amazing, Manami was a blast and very good at her job. She was singing in Thai to me the whole time and her whole vibe was refreshing and great. The second time wasn’t quite as good as the first but excellent nonetheless. For this place I would suggest getting there early because I have a feeling the ladies get snatched up quick.
I visited Angel Massage once and went with Cherry. OK session, but mechanical. Very pretty lady and friendly but just going through the motions. I don’t expect anything more from these girls, they have a very demanding job. But some are very skilled at making it seem not very mechanical like Manami from Akane she is a true talent!
I wanted to get a lot soapies during this trip but I only ended up getting one. I went to Nataree, because I heard they are one of the few using the mattress and because of their close proximity to the MRT station. There are two doors at Nataree and I first walked into the far one and saw a disappointing fishbowl, and the papasan said only oil massage no soapy! I told him I was surprised and he didn’t tell me about the other entrance. I left and saw the other entrance and went in. It was like a café with booths and a fairly well-stocked fishbowl. There seemed to be quite a few sideliners sitting around all being very friendly. The papasan explained that the sideliners don’t do soapy ‘only sex’. I picked a stunner from the fishbowl who seemed real friendly. She was gorgeous and good at the soapy part. The sex was good but mechanical, but damn she was hot! I have always found soapy sex to be mechanical. I just don’t think there is enough rapport built up in a fishbowl situation. At least at go-gos you can look and flirt and determine if the girl actually has a tiny bit of interest apart from money. Overall I would recommend Nataree because it is well stocked with stunners and you can take the train and don’t have to worry about dealing with taxi surcharge BS.
I spent a few nights the Rainbows (1 &4) in Nana. I found a lot of the ladies very friendly even though I have heard of their preference for Japanese customers. A lot of smiles from the stage. I took one from R4 named Tiki (Sp? ) up to one of the short time rooms in Nana (which weren’t as bad as I thought they would be). I paid 2000B because I didn’t bargain, I know, I know, I’m a push over but I have problems bargaining with beautiful ladies. She offered LT which I kind of regret not taking, because it would have been nice to have her in my hotel for the night. She was great, you can tell a lot of these girls are watching Jap porn because of the way they sqeal etc.
On another night in R1 had many incredible beauties smiling and making eye contact but I didn’t have enough power to go for it due to visits to Sanzanka and Nataree earlier. At that point I made a mental note to not waste power during the day on not-so-hot situations (ie Sanzanka) because there are so many stunners available in this town at night. If I was living here or on a longer trip then I wouldn’t feel the need to maximize my time like this.
On my final visit to R1 I pulled a not so hot dancer for a short time. She started to stroking me under the table and I kind of lost my head. Nice body but with so many ladies available in that place I wouldn’t have chosen her if she hadn’t been so good at the hard sell. I am learning that these go-gos require discipline! Whenever I make mistakes like that I just want to get it over with so I went very short time with her upstairs and got out of Nana, I guess I’m still a newbie.
I went out clubbing with a friend of mine who has lived here for many years. He was surprised I knew more about Bangkok ‘entertainment’ than him (Thanks ISG). After going to Bed Supperclub etc. And some other boring places we hit some sleazy after hours starting with Tunnel. I have heard great things about this place but the night we went it was a bit of a sausage party. I had one young hottie grinding against me on the dance floor but she was too hopped up on Yaba and I thought she was going to chew her bottom lip off so I avoided. I have heard Tunnel is good on weekdays and starts going around 1am, not many cabbies know it though. It’s a fairly nice club with good music and a good dance floor.
After Tunnel we hit Spicy at about 4am. Spicy wasn’t so good that night but I went few nights later and there were lot of hot FL’s (or that’s what they appeared to be). Spicy s a bit of a S***hole with linoleum floors and crappy black lights, the music is hip hop which I don’t love but it is pretty much impossible not to get laid in this place and it goes until 6am. We had problems finding cabbies who know this place too, also note that this is NOT Spice Club on Suk Soi 11.
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I agree with you regarding Pattaya. I can't get into it either. The scene seems a little too hard core for me. I went there about 18 months ago for a weekend and wound up leaving early and going back to Bangkok.
First I could not find a bar that I enjoyed and felt comfortable in, although I do like the Muai Tai Boxing going on outside of the some of the bars.
I found what I thought was a cutie at one bar. We walked back to my hotel and she was stumbling a little bit. I figured she just had a little too much to drink, no big deal. When we got back to the hotel, and better light, I realized that she was not nearly as pretty as I originally thought. We started playing around, she would not give a BJ at all! I turned over and figured I would nail it later. She fell alseep, woke up about an hour later and PUKED all over the bed! That sucked. I cleaned everything up, as she passed out again, but there was now way to get the smell out of the room.
The next morning she apologized, took a shower, and brushed her teeth. I jumped in the shower with her. Guess what, she did not have a condom! Wrote it all off to a very bad night, checked out of the hotel and went back to Bangkok. I tell people that Bangkok is like New York on crack and that Pattaya is like Bangkok on crack.
Does anyone know if any of the private clubs like Pegasus or Soprano House are worth it? A friend of mine is a member of the Soprano House and it is definitely a cool place to hang out. The girls are the hottest. However, I do not know if they are "available". Does anyone have any experience? Is it worth the 30,000 baht annual fee?
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]
The next morning she apologized, took a shower, and brushed her teeth. I jumped in the shower with her. Guess what, she did not have a condom![/QUOTE]
Maybe i am misunderstanding your post...
You dont have any condoms? Thats kinda funny. Most of the local condoms are bad quality and often too small.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]This is an illusion.
In fact, sex tourism is a very minor part of overall tourism here. If the foreign sex industry stopped tomorrow, it wouldn't have nearly as much impact as you think. The very public foreign sex industry is a very tiny portion of the overall sex industry in this country. The Thai-oriented industry is huge, and mostly hidden. Most people working at Nana or wherever would simply find there way into the Thai sex industry. When the government talks about getting rid of prostitution, cleaning up Pattaya or whatever, they're just talking about the foreign prostitution industry because its visibility is an embarassment to the country. The Thai industry, largely because it's owned by the power elite will never disappear. But, it doesn't need to because it is very Thai: hidden and discreet...not blaring, glaring, loud and crude like the foreign industry.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I was aware of all that, with the exception of the stuff about not having much of an impact/this is an illusion - can you cite sources?
The bulk of the prostitution has little or no effect on the macroeconomics of Thailand as you say, simply because it is Thai - Thai based and money is simply circulating around within the economy, no more is being put in and none is being taken out... so, for the purposes of Thai economics, we can ignore local prostitution (apart from some internal wealth redistribution).
Foreign prostitution was what I was talking about as it directly injects money into the Thai economy.
OK, onto the numbers, and before we start, let me warn you that numbers marked with a * are simply my wild speculation, the rest, I dug around for, then took an informal average - 65% of foreign visitors to Thailand are men, so 15% of visitors men are there sans partner.
Let's be generous and say only half of these are mongers - 7.5%*. Now, around 6% of the Thai economy is tourism. So, 7.5% of 6% is around half a percent.... but you are forgetting (I knew you'd forget!) that single men have a per capita spending capacity that is a lot higher than the average family traveling tourist - let's say double* which I think is conservative.
So, just from my deliberately conservative numbers, we've got almost 1% of the Thai GDP contributed by sex tourism (which is a fucking big number*).
But it doesn't stop there. What is impossible to calculate is:
How many regular couples come to Thailand for the sex industry (either to participate directly, or for that holiday sense of the risque by seeing a show), and how many of them would go somewhere else if the sex industry weren't there.
How much business is conducted in Thailand rather then elsewhere because men who can afford prostitutes, on the whole the only demographic with the financial authority to determine where what happens, because they have been here because of the naughty nightlife.
Last point... this 1% actually employs a much larger percentage of the population that other 1%s do (bear with me). Just about every other industry has a higher financial barrier to entry, so, people with money will 'create' the opportunities and syphon off money for themselves. Prostitution has no such barriers, so, every baht paid is directly to the employee with no middleman. More money paid directly to employees = more employees for lower cost.
So, all this 'significant/insignificant' part of the economy stuff comes down to your definition of significant. I'd consider a 1% increase in unemployment to be pretty massively significant. Given that my numbers are conservative and I could be waaaaay out, it might even be as much as 3% which is a HUGE number. Remember, none of this includes 'knock on' money for the advertising/exposure/whatever you call it that Thailand gets from the sex industry.
My figures do not include business travellers who play whilst away from home, nor expats - both of which are groups which would inflate the argument I am making even further.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]...
So, just from my deliberately conservative numbers, we've got almost 1% of the Thai GDP contributed by sex tourism (which is a fucking big number*).
...
[/QUOTE]Blunderer,
OTH is completely wrong reg. this issue.
Even Mr. Thaksin calculated the contribution of the Sex Tourism at around 2.3 % of Thailands GDP - and he downplayed it for political reasons. Some Hongkong newspapers came to much higher results.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Blunderer,
OTH is completely wrong reg. this issue.
Even Mr. Thaksin calculated the contribution of the Sex Tourism at around 2.3 % of Thailands GDP - and he downplayed it for political reasons. Some Hongkong newspapers came to much higher results.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Gawd! G
I was trying to convince all the knuckle-draggers that they were insignificant so they'd stay home.
With this, you're encouraging even more to come. ;)
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]Does anyone know if any of the private clubs like Pegasus or Soprano House are worth it? A friend of mine is a member of the Soprano House and it is definitely a cool place to hang out. The girls are the hottest. However, I do not know if they are "available". Does anyone have any experience? Is it worth the 30,000 baht annual fee?[/QUOTE]
I was a member for years and considered it the best money I spent in Thailand. Since I don't hang out in the tourist areas, I needed some place to go and relax and "monger" without attracting any attention and the little lady not finding out about my activities.
Plan dropping at least a hundred bucks per visit.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...
I was trying to convince all the knuckle-draggers that they were insignificant so they'd stay home.
With this, you're encouraging even more to come. ;)[/QUOTE]Old Thai Hand,
LOL. Let me first figure out how we can keep the part of the GDP coming to Livingstone's - then we can proceed with your strategy!
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Old Thai Hand,
LOL. Let me first figure out how we can keep the part of the GDP coming to Livingstone's - then we can proceed with your strategy!
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
Since you don't have any knuckle-draggers visiting Livingstone's, you don't need to worry!
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Giotto,
Since you don't have any knuckle-draggers visiting Livingstone's, you don't need to worry!
AT2[/QUOTE]
True. I think most of his clientele walk upright. At least, that's what I've heard.
The focus of the reports from there seems to be on the time they spend horizontal.... :)
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]True. I think most of his clientele walk upright. At least, that's what I've heard.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Giotto]
Even Mr. Thaksin calculated the contribution of the Sex Tourism at around 2.3 % of Thailands GDP.
[/QUOTE]
Ah, thanks. I maintain that this particular 2.3% of the GDP would represent a far greater gain to the working class that a lot of the rest of it due to the v low economic and educational barriers to entering the industry.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]The focus of the reports from there seems to be on the time they spend horizontal.... :)[/QUOTE]
True. Even monkeys mate.
Terrier, your response to my post is just plainly stupid. Of course my English is not prefect, as I am not a native English speaker. You may want to re-read your mail, as it’s not so hot either. I also did a quick check when did you last post to the Photo Gallery. Sorry, correct me here, I could not find any recent entries.
Now back to the embassy situation. Yes, of course many Thai P4P pros seek the social protection of western societies, as Thailand provides none. In that sense they are simply economic nomads. No different from thousands of Mexicans crossing the border to the US daily or Africans getting washed up on the shores of Malta. I.e. money for nothing...
I cannot see any reason why any government should let these people in. Truth is Thai sex pro's end up doing overseas exactly what they doing here, screwing for money.
However the presence of these girls at the embassies is disturbing, to an extend that a number of Thai's think twice of applying for visas. Recently I spend quiet some time at one particular embassy, hence my observation. I then talked to Thai friends and yes, they do confirm this.
JB
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]Spend a lot of time at the embassies, do you, JB?
Making a statement like that in such pisspoor English is kind of like shooting yourself in the foot :D.
btw, Where are those stunners?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Terrier, your response to my post is just plainly stupid. Of course my English is not prefect, as I am not a native English speaker. You may want to re-read your mail, as it’s not so hot either. I also did a quick check when did you last post to the Photo Gallery. Sorry, correct me here, I could not find any recent entries.
Now back to the embassy situation. Yes, of course many Thai P4P pros seek the social protection of western societies, as Thailand provides none. In that sense they are simply economic nomads. No different from thousands of Mexicans crossing the border to the US daily or Africans getting washed up on the shores of Malta. I.e. money for nothing...
I cannot see any reason why any government should let these people in. Truth is Thai sex pro's end up doing overseas exactly what they doing here, screwing for money.
However the presence of these girls at the embassies is disturbing, to an extend that a number of Thai's think twice of applying for visas. Recently I spend quiet some time at one particular embassy, hence my observation. I then talked to Thai friends and yes, they do confirm this.
JB[/QUOTE]
This may come as a shock, but some guys take Thai P4P girls back to their home country to ply their trade and support them,
Yes, Retired Army. This is a different story altogether. I must say that I only can shake my head to see a farang importing his little Thai sweetheart (i.e. ex bar worker) to his home country.
I my previous post I was referring to those girls who claim to visit B/F's etc...
But then again, where is the difference. Even the most dense farang will after some time dispose of his sweetheart once the complete incompatability in IQ and all learned social/cultural issues has surfaced. At that point girls are on their own.
Though the conduct of the embassy staff seems harsh and annoying, I do think that such practices are fully justified.
JB
[QUOTE=Retired Army]This may come as a shock, but some guys take Thai P4P girls back to their home country to ply their trade and support them,[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Yes, Retired Army. This is a different story altogether. I must say that I only can shake my head to see a farang importing his little Thai sweetheart (i.e. ex bar worker) to his home country.
[/QUOTE]
I admit I do the same.
[QUOTE]
But then again, where is the difference. Even the most dense farang will after some time dispose of his sweetheart once the complete incompatability in IQ and all learned social/cultural issues has surfaced. At that point girls are on their own.
[/QUOTE]
I've seen a few of these work out reasonably (ie, > 5 years and still going), and it hasn't taken a genius to work out where the girls came from before they got over this way (Europe_.... and, as it happens I have a theory about this for you guys to dissect and shoot down at will.
The girl must have not been in the 'business' for long (and as a result has poor language skills).
The guy must be a bit long in the tooth and wondering if he'll ever get the family thing sorted out.
The guy must be somewhere between lower middle and slightly upper middle class.
The girl must be the quiet type.
Kids are needed quickly.
Oooh... very important, the guy mustn't be a hard core mongerer - ie, the girl he's with has to be pretty much the first one he saw off the plane.
The relationship must not take place in Thailand.
Now, my sample space for these observations is pretty damned small - 2 successful couples, but they both share all of the above traits.
I've seen a boatload of them fail 'in country' (although every now and again you hear of someone who's been going a v long time). I've also seen, umm, a few failed ones where the girl left the country - once more my sample space is pretty small; maybe 3 or 4.
When I stop think about it, I have seen more non bargirl relationships come to Europe and fail than bargirl ones. I am sure that is just a weird statistical anomoly..?
[QUOTE]
Though the conduct of the embassy staff seems harsh and annoying, I do think that such practices are fully justified.
[/QUOTE]
We'll agree to strongly disagree on this one :)
Hi! I m a new guy here, wish to get some info on where to get the girl for LT, and how much it will cost me? Sorry for my poor english. By the way I will be in Bangkok by end of November, anyone willing to guide me around or come out to share some experinces?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Anyway, as always happens here, this debate has moved.....to a social issue of the poor vs. the rich.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]I cannot see any reason why any government should let these people in. Truth is Thai sex pro's end up doing overseas exactly what they doing here, screwing for money.[/QUOTE]
Replies moved to Thai Women Opinions & Advice thread.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Terrier, your response to my post is just plainly stupid. Of course my English is not prefect, as I am not a native English speaker. You may want to re-read your mail, as it’s not so hot either. I also did a quick check when did you last post to the Photo Gallery. Sorry, correct me here, I could not find any recent entries[/QUOTE]
Reply posted in The Fight Club.
biergarten, nana, and soi cowboy
just a mini-report on a short trip to bangkok. this was my second trip to bangkok so i knew what to expect and where i wanted to spend my time.
i booked a room at the majestic suites hotel which is on sukhumvit road near soi 4. the location is great. you can walk from the hotel to nana in less than a minute. or you can ride the skytrain to soi cowboy in less than 15 minutes. i walked back from soi cowboy one night at 3am and i saw a mind boggling array of freelance girls, vendors, impromptu bars and restaurants set up on the sidewalks. definitely a sight to see!
the hotel itself has nice clean rooms, i booked a double to get a little more space and it was just fine. the coffee shop on the ground floor was excellent, breakfast (included with the room rate) was first rate. i had dinner there one night and it was also top notch. i can highly recommend the place. the only drawback was that my room was in the back on the 4th floor, which put me about 50 meters from nana, so from 7pm till about 2am each night i could hear the gogo music thumping faintly through the windows. didn’t bother me too much but light sleepers would want to ask for a room away from the noise.
i arrived from pattaya around 2 pm and after check-in i headed straight over to the biergarten on soi 7. i love this place. i’m just an ugly, middle-aged guy with no charisma but when i step in the biergarten there are 100 hot girls who all want to sit with me, talk with me, drink with me, and bang me. i sat for a couple of hours each afternoon just chatting up the girls waiting for the gogos in nana and soi cowboy to open. i even saw several of the girls that i had last june (my first visit to bangkok). they were all happy to see me and they all looked better than ever. the place was quite full when i arrived and people kept coming in, it was very busy when i left each day around 5:30 pm.
everyone likes to give their two cents worth on the attractiveness of the girls in the biergarten, so here’s mine. when the place was full there were around 100 girls in the place. there were about a half dozen girls who were so hot (9s and 10s) that they could easily be gogo dancers. these girls tend to be selective and some will only sit with the younger, good looking guys, or they will sit with an older guy but not be available for barfines. many in this category won’t even make eye contact with an old troll like me. then there were another couple of dozen girls (7s and 8s), really good lookers in my opinion, rep001tered around the room, quite friendly and eager to sit with anybody. then of course the majority of the girls, maybe 50 or so when the place is really full, who are reasonable attractive, maybe a little older or heavier (5s or 6s) than we would want them, but still girl friend material. then there are another 25 girls or so that are just not very attractive at all (4s and below) who survive by tagging along with their good looking friends, or by giving free back massages. in summary, nowhere near the quality level of a nana or soi cowboy gogo bar, but plenty of quality if you’ve got the patience and know-how to get the attention of one of the top 25 percentile.
i spent one evening in nana entertainment plaza, right around the corner from the hotel on soi 4. i must have been in a cranky mood or maybe i was especially ugly that night but i was just not clicking with any of the girls. i went in all my favorite spots, the silver dragon, spanky’s, lollipop. i even tried sweet talking a so-so looking waitress in the big mango and she practically ignored me. finally i headed out and in my desperation i pulled some beefy freelancer named mam from the nana car park. sheesh! i could barely finish, she was just not hot.
i spent another evening in soi cowboy. this was my last night in bangkok, in fact my last night in thailand, so i decided to maximize my fun, i got there when the bars opened (7:30 pm) and didn’t leave until they closed the last bar (2:30 am). i had the greatest time! all night long i had hot, sexy girls climbing all over me, grabbing me, kissing me, begging me to barfine them. in most of the gogos i had two girls taking care of me, one one each side. i can’t explain why this experience was so good compared to my nana experience. i spent time in baccara, shark, midnite, dollhouse, black & white, tilac, long gun, and cowboy 2. they were all great!
especially memorable were shark, where i had two 20-year-old stunners competing for my attention and crawling all over me; long gun, which was absolutely deserted when i went in, and so all the dancers paid me a visit as they finished their turn on stage; tilac, which ran out of gogo girls around midnight and so the very hot service girls stopped serving drinks, took a turn dancing topless on stage, and practically raped me when their dance was over; and black&white, where i had a procession of superhot gogo girls on my left side while a chubby-but-cute service girl tried to "get my attention" on my right side. unfortunately by closing time i was too wasted to barfine anybody so i just headed back to the hotel and went to sleep.
so there you have it, i enjoyed all three of these venues (biergarten, nana, soi cowboy), but the winner by far this time around was soi cowboy. i had an awesome time, spent 7 hours hopping amongst 8 gogos, spent about 3000 baht (100 bucks) on my drinks and ladydrinks. wish i had had one more night in town, definitely would have gone back and barfined one of those shark girls.
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
Write up in the NY Times about an English author of Mystery novels based on Bangkok's red light districts.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/books/25burd.html?[/url]
[quote=blunderer]
i've seen a few of these work out reasonably (ie, > 5 years and still going), and it hasn't taken a genius to work out where the girls came from before they got over this way (europe_.... and, as it happens i have a theory about this for you guys to dissect and shoot down at will.[/quote]
yes, but no. i see a lot of girls from thailand in europe. a lot of them are ex-bar girls, but some of them are not. the ones i know are mostly not bar girls, but that's because of the men they are married to are of a more "professional class." by that i mean, at minimum, a college degree and security clearance.
[quote=blunderer]the girl must have not been in the 'business' for long (and as a result has poor language skills)..[/quote] my wife has excellent english skills and was never a bar girl. she has a master's degree in english and taught at a university in bkk.
[quote=blunderer]the guy must be a bit long in the tooth and wondering if he'll ever get the family thing sorted out..[/quote]
yes. i am long in the tooth and don't give a damn about the family thing. who want's to change [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord131][CodeWord131][/url] (nappy's) at 55?
[quote=blunderer]the guy must be somewhere between lower middle and slightly upper middle class..[/quote]
not sure what this means. is it a matter of wealth or class?
[quote=blunderer]the girl must be the quiet type..[/quote]
absolutely correct! if you want a yappy type either get a poodle or marry a western witch. speak when spoken to is my mantra. i also tell my wife that if i want her opinion i will give it to her. (this ensures no sex for a few days).
[quote=blunderer]children are needed quickly..[/quote]
neither my wife nor i want kids. ruins her figure and who needs rug rats when you are "long in the tooth."
[quote=blunderer]oooh... very important, the guy mustn't be a hard core mongerer - ie, the girl he's with has to be pretty much the first one he saw off the plane..[/quote]
i don't know about this, but it has some validity because i have seen both sides. guys who fall in love with the first girl they meet (that's more a statement about the guy than the girl). and others, like me and my co-workers, whom have lived in thailand for a long time before meeting a suitable girl.
[quote=blunderer]the relationship must not take place in thailand.[/quote]
if you can't get them out of the country, how can the relationship not take place in thailand? if a guy meets a girl on a two week trip, them applies for a k-1 (sweetheart) visa and only has 90 days to marry her, then of course, there is going to be a high degree of failure. i lived with my wife for four years, both in thailand and in europe, before marrying her.
[quote=blunderer]now, my sample space for these observations is pretty damned small - 2 successful couples, but they both share all of the above traits.
i've seen a boatload of them fail 'in country' (although every now and again you hear of someone who's been going a v long time). i've also seen, umm, a few failed ones where the girl left the country - once more my sample space is pretty small; maybe 3 or 4.[/quote]
it comes down to this: you can take the girl out of the bar, but you can't take the bar out of the girl. if you take an ex-bar girl back to "civilized society" you can see where there might be problems. imaging christmas dinner with mom, pop, grandparents and the rest of the family as your "wife" drains the liquor cabinet, proceeds cuss like a sailor on shore leave, take off her clothes, look for a pole to dance with and starts to tell pop and grandpop that they are hansome men and she "loves them too much."
[quote=blunderer]
when i stop think about it, i have seen more non bargirl relationships come to europe and fail than bargirl ones. i am sure that is just a weird statistical anomoly..?
[/quote]
this is probably true because a bar girl has more life experience and can adapt easier to tough situations. plus, they can always earn a living by taking off their clothes, dancing with a pole and telling men they are hansome and she loves them too much.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Yes, but no. I see a lot of girls from Thailand in Europe. A lot of them are ex-bar girls, but some of them are not.
<and a whole lot more>
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My reply is in the Thai Women Opinions & Advice thread.
Although I have heard a lot of stories about finding a Thai wife and bringing her home, I have not heard too many happy endings, no pun intended. To most of these girls, maybe 80%, this is a BUSINESS with a capital B and they are good at their job. That's not to say that you won't find one of the 20% that really do want to find a farang husband and have a better life. However, the odds are against us.
I had a Thai gf in BKK for about a year. I met her in a bar. I was completely sure she was "different". She was great to hang out with. great in bed, and took complete care of me while I was in BKK. She never asked me for money but I also gave her a bunch when I left and bought here whatever she wanted or needed when I was in BKK. She never asked for very much or anything very expensive.
She was too good to be true. I even hired a Thai Private Eye to check her out and she checked out. She was out of town a her family's home when she told me she was. She did not have another boyfriend. Must importantly, she was never a guy! She never had children and was never married. Everything checked out.
Just as things were going so well and I started to think maybe this is the one, I got a text message asking me for 50,000 baht. I knew the game and told her I didn't have it. She then asked my for 25,000 baht instead. That was the last time I spoke with her and have never seen her again.
However, and the point of my story is that their job is to make money from their lifestyle. Our desire or job is to get laid. We pay them to be so nice to us.
I don't want to be a pessimist and I know there are good girls too, but be prepared. Also, read a great book called Confessions of a Thai Private Eye. The stories are mind boggling and a great prep course for anyone that thinks they have found one of the good ones. Again, yes there are good ones, but be careful and be prepared. Read the book it shows you how a lot of the scams are pulled off and how the "bad" ones suck you in, no pun intended again.
I want to reiterate, before getting flamed, that yes there are a certain percentage of good girls, and the girls you meet out of the mongering seen are just like girls you can meet anywhere else. But remember, there is a reason why we pay most of them for sex and they accept payment to treat us so well. This is a business and with any business both sides must educated in how the business runs.
Don't mean to be too negative or offend anyone.
With Respect,
Juiceguy
[QUOTE=Bonhead]Write up in the NY Times about an English author of Mystery novels based on Bangkok's red light districts.
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/25/books/25burd.html?[/url][/QUOTE]
I have read all of his books and they are a lot of fun to read. He has great insight to the bar scene and the darker side of Thai society. Great read.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I was a member for years and considered it the best money I spent in Thailand. Since I don't hang out in the tourist areas, I needed some place to go and relax and "monger" without attracting any attention and the little lady not finding out about my activities.
Plan dropping at least a hundred bucks per visit.[/QUOTE]
Retired Army,
Can you recommend one club over the other? I have only been to Soprano House and although it is a great time hanging out, I could not figure out if the girls were p4p or not. Please let me know your thoughts and which clubs you recommend.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]Although I have heard a lot of stories about finding a Thai wife and bringing her home, I have not heard too many happy endings, no pun intended. To most of these girls, maybe 80%, this is a BUSINESS with a capital B and they are good at their job. That's not to say that you won't find one of the 20% that really do want to find a farang husband and have a better life. However, the odds are against us.
I had a Thai gf in BKK for about a year. I met her in a bar. I was completely sure she was "different". She was great to hang out with. great in bed, and took complete care of me while I was in BKK. She never asked me for money but I also gave her a bunch when I left and bought here whatever she wanted or needed when I was in BKK. She never asked for very much or anything very expensive.
She was too good to be true. I even hired a Thai Private Eye to check her out and she checked out. She was out of town a her family's home when she told me she was. She did not have another boyfriend. Must importantly, she was never a guy! She never had children and was never married. Everything checked out.
Just as things were going so well and I started to think maybe this is the one, I got a text message asking me for 50,000 baht. I knew the game and told her I didn't have it. She then asked my for 25,000 baht instead. That was the last time I spoke with her and have never seen her again.
However, and the point of my story is that their job is to make money from their lifestyle. Our desire or job is to get laid. We pay them to be so nice to us.
Juiceguy[/QUOTE]
Haha, I'd read all the stories, I'd seen guys do the same and, in my case her stories never checked out properly, couldn't go to her apartment (which rang some serious bells years later when I read Stephen Leather's Private Dancer - available as a free ebook, PM me if you need the link) etc etc.
I knew it was wrong and wanted it to continue anyway.
I gave her, I dunno, 30,000 over the 3 weeks we spent together when we met - despite the fact that she was 'sore' quite a lot of the time and I didn't get much sex at all! (and that I haven't even confessed to my best friends!!) The tears at the airport melted my heart. I sent her another 60-80k shortly after I got home. I didn't have a bunch of guys sitting around telling me I was an idiot, just a hidden talent for denial and a not so hidden one for masochism.
Oh, did I mention she wasn't a prostitute, she just worked in some Japanese club and held men's hands, and sometimes they gave her gifts of cars or several hundred thousand kbaht. Several of these gifts were always coming but just out of reach when I met her, so she really loved me because she could easily get the money elsewhere.
The thing is, all the emotion on my side was real, and that was the aspect I was completely unprepared for... this ability to self-delude. I was ready to give up my job/life and take my meagre savings (which would've been something like 400,000 baht at that stage) and move to Thailand with no job etc etc.
After sending the last chunk of money (not my last chunk, just the last chunk I sent to her), I suddenly felt liberated. It was like a switch was flicked and suddenly I knew what it was like to be the puppet farang. There was no anger or hurt or anything else on my part except a touch of joy... lesson over, only about 100k baht spent. It was almost like I was deliberately being one of 'those guys' just so I could know what it felt like, then move on.
If you are worried that you are susceptible to this sort of thing (and not many men would want to admit they are, even to themselves), then, maybe, if you can delude yourself, my 'method' is one you can mould to fit yourself and use to learn the lessons you need to learn without becoming bitter. Wait until a time in your life when you either have, or can get your hands on, fuck all money before you try though. I think that I knew I needed to learn these lessons (being mak mak jai dee), so, on some level, I just let it continue even though I knew it was wrong.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]
I knew it was wrong and wanted it to continue anyway.
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Comment at the Thai women opinions and advice thread!
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]Retired Army,
Can you recommend one club over the other? I have only been to Soprano House and although it is a great time hanging out, I could not figure out if the girls were p4p or not. Please let me know your thoughts and which clubs you recommend.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
I've only been to the pegagus, so that is the only club I can comment on.
Believe me, the girls at both places are P4P
[QUOTE=Blunderer]Yep, I was aware of all that, with the exception of the stuff about not having much of an impact/this is an illusion - can you cite sources?
OK, onto the numbers, and before we start, let me warn you that numbers marked with a * are simply my wild speculation, the rest, I dug around for, then took an informal average - 65% of foreign visitors to Thailand are men, so 15% of visitors men are there sans partner.
Let's be generous and say only half of these are mongers - 7.5%*. Now, around 6% of the Thai economy is tourism. So, 7.5% of 6% is around half a percent.... but you are forgetting (I knew you'd forget!) that single men have a per capita spending capacity that is a lot higher than the average family traveling tourist - let's say double* which I think is conservative.
So, just from my deliberately conservative numbers, we've got almost 1% of the Thai GDP contributed by sex tourism (which is a fucking big number*).
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Blunderer,
I feel your assumptions are reasonable. But may be the calculations can be modified like this:
Total male visitors = 65%
total female vistors = 35 %
So single male visitors = 65-35 = 30%
Keeping all other assumptions same, the impact on the GDP is 2% (MUCH larger than what we thought)
Magic M
[QUOTE=Magic Moments]Blunderer,
I feel your assumptions are reasonable. But may be the calculations can be modified like this:
Total male visitors = 65%
total female vistors = 35 %
So single male visitors = 65-35 = 30%
Keeping all other assumptions same, the impact on the GDP is 2% (MUCH larger than what we thought)
Magic M[/QUOTE]
All reasonable assumptions, except one small oversight: both Magic and Blunderer's theories are also based on the assumption that there are no single female visitors to the Kingdom. I suppose the actual number of single female visitors are relatively small for the theory to hold water.
Awesome estimates, nevertheless!
Thailand's GDP (PPP, The World Factbook - CIA) = $596.5 Billion (2006 est.)
So, 2% is about $12 Billion, or $1 Billion / month.
[QUOTE=Raverboy]All reasonable assumptions, except one small oversight: both Magic and Blunderer's theories are also based on the assumption that there are no single female visitors to the Kingdom. I suppose the actual number of single female visitors are relatively small for the theory to hold water.
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Aha, I did consider that as it happens, but I was trying to make the most conservative estimate I could. For each single female traveller there'll be a counterpart extra male one which just goes to inflate the numbers mentioned even further.
I mean come on, I think I read that something like one in 3 visitors to the kingdom go to Pattaya. What the fuck all else is there to do in Pattaya?!?!
If anybody tries to argue with the sentiment behind that last question I'll be shocked that there really is always one that'll argue with anything.
[QUOTE=Magic Moments]Blunderer,
I feel your assumptions are reasonable. But may be the calculations can be modified like this:
Total male visitors = 65%
total female vistors = 35 %
So single male visitors = 65-35 = 30%
Keeping all other assumptions same, the impact on the GDP is 2% (MUCH larger than what we thought)
Magic M[/QUOTE]
Oh, spot on. I am not sure how I cocked that up quite so badly.
Like they say at Eden, double everything then.
Incidentally, forgetting about business meetings that happen in BKK instead of elsewhere, think of the vast number of foreign consultants that come in to provide support for the business which solely cater to that segment of the tourists which come in for sex.
Further, all the guys who go and buy into a hotel, or a bar or a boat hire business or whatever are spending *way* over the per capita average.
The more you think about it, the bigger and bigger the numbers get.
Giving up on conservatism - with all the knock on effects (and there is a lot of them) I wouldn't be surprised if the true number was somewhere between 5 and 10.
I wonder what the numbers are for the Philippines..?
Not much info on this hotel on ISG. It looks to be a high end boutique hotel with it's sister property in New York City.
I am booked for 5 nights next month. I arrive late at night (should be at the hotel by 1:00 AM). I'm familiar with NANA parking lot for late nighters. I have also heard that Soi Cowboy "sometimes" stays open until 2:00 AM.
The hotel is on Soi 15 and I would rather avoid NANA. Has anyone had recent experiences or a recommendation they could make? I prefer to stay close to the hotel and would entertain a massage place with a happy finish if there is one in close proximity. Soi Cowboy would be great as well if it is open late still.
Many thanks.
earlier this week i decided to take a stroll downtown sukhumvit road and took a taxi to soi 8. i remembered a mention about pimporn massage and the possibility of "play" after a nice professional massage.
the taxi driver was a pain in the ass, the moment i mentioned soi 8, he started showing me a brochure of cupidy, pushing to take me to a soapy massage. i looked at the flyer and, of course, none of the girls were actually girls i have previously seen at cupidy.
i laughed and told him i live in bkk and know cupidy already, but did not want to go. he insisted i have a look because there were "many beautiful ladies". i told him that i would never go to cupidy by taxi because they pay the taxi drivers a commission of thb 500. he looked at me for a second and started his sales speech "yes, 500thb for taxi but i can negotiate for you special price! lady 5000thb but i negotiate you 3000 only, ok? " i laughed harder and told him that i usually pay 1, 800 at cupidy but he did not (or chose not to) believe me.
after a few minutes of silence he comes back with another sales line: "i know special place, but only thai people, cheap cheap, 2, 000thb special for you, same price thai people"
i smiled and refused. he started talking about other options but i pretended i was not listening and ignoring him, which worked because he ended up tired of talking to himself and kept quiet until we reached soi 8.
once inside soi 8, i need just a quick glance at pimporn to see that this is not really the kind of place i have imagined. small place and by the look of it there is no guarantee of extras. outside pimporn are your usual run of the mil, 40ish plump massage girls trying to reel in the passing farangs using the usual "hello sir, welcome, massage".
with pimporn out of the way, there are not many options here for guaranteed extras: aviva massage [url]www.avivabkk.com[/url] or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] [url]http://www.lolitasbangkok.com[/url]
i promised myself that i would never return to aviva, had too many bad experiences there which clearly shows that the management doesn't care about service levels. fortunately we are in bangkok and there is no shortage of opportunities to get laid.
so i guess it's off to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]!
as i walk in the subsoi leading to the entrance, the girls already giggle, sensing the arrival of a new piece of meat to suck on. as i reach the bunch of them, i see a 60 y-old farang with a thick beard, sweaty, shorts, sandals, dirty t-shirt leaving [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], quickly followed by a tg with a disgusted look on her face. she says something in thai (pointing in the direction of the farang) and all the girls laugh, i am not sure what was being said but it would not surprise me that she was clearly making fun of him, in a bad way. i guess these girls need to keep making each other laugh in order to retain a little sanity because, after all, it's far from a dream job they're doing eh?
the lady that just finished starts to get all close with me and asks me if i want to go upstairs with her, i look at her and cannot stop from laughing a little. here is a girl who probably still has another man's semen residue in her mouth, asking me to take out my dick so she can rub it over that "deposit" the other guy just left in her mouth. thanks, but no thanks.
it is already risky enough to frequent a bj bar as it is.
i take my time and look at the brochette of ladies available. 5 ladies are seated on the stools, 3 chatting and smoking (cigarettes) and 3 eating. i have bad memories from the last time i took a lady who had just eaten (burned my cock because she ate so spicy) and i am not fond of ladies who smoke (now that's a pun).
i notice a young petite girl that seems to have a nice perky pair of breasts, i smile at her, she smiles back and, right this instant, both of us know she's going to be polishing my member in a couple minutes.
i give her a little wink and she gets up her stool, grabs my arm and escorts me inside. i order a beer and asks her if she wants a drink, she looks at me as if she did not hear properly so i ask her again if she would care for a beverage and she kindly refuses. i know this place is not a place where you can chill out with a beer with your girl and have a meaningful conversation (actually it's more like "blow & go", "in & out") but i can't order a drink without offering one to the lady standing next to me.
we walk up the stairs and i can't help but notice the perfectly shaped little ass on her, i have to fight hard not to just extend my arm and squeeze it.
upon arriving in the room i notice all cubicles are empty, i pick the one in the far corner, take my pants off completely and sit down on the sofa, ready for a trip in nirvana.
she takes one of their wet towels and wipes my dick clean, no, not to get too sidetracked here, i don't see the purpose of cleaning your dick with these special wipes other than for smell. i am certain these wipes have no antibacterial agents or alcohol on them to be able to "clean" anything, it's just a scented wet piece of paper isn't it?
there she is looking me right in the eyes and stroking me slowly, probably waiting for my cock to grow a little bigger before she bites on it. she hasn't done anything specific to me yet and i already like her, somehow, i know i made the right choice. she is still looking me right in the eyes and, in a very provocative way, sticks her tongue out and licks her lips. needless to say that at that point i am standing fully erect waiting for her to wrap her lips over and around my little (or not so little anymore) fellow, she smiles at me and slowly starts to lower her head, the warm feeling of her mouth is fantastic and i can't help but let go of a little grunt of pleasure. she must sense i like my blowjobs slow because she shows no signs of wanting me to finish quickly, she very slowly services me in an up and down motion, full of tongue play.
i reach over her shirt and start to unbutton it, revealing a very nice bra. she takes it off and proudly massages her own breasts (which look gorgeous on her, although not natural).
i ask her to join me on the sofa so that i can have easy access to her tits and also grab her sweet little bosom.
after a good 10 minutes of fondling and sucking, i can't hold it any longer and release a long and powerful orgasm inside her mouth. despite me finishing already, she does not seem to be distracted and continues to suck for what seemed like 5 minutes (was probably more like 30 seconds) and the feeling was, soothing.
she asked me if i wanted a second blow job (a first for me at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], usually that happens more at sol) but i kindly refused. i asked her if she had a friend that she would like to have a threesome with and she, without even a second to think, nodded positively.
i promised her i would be back, tipped her and left with a big smile on my face!
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[QUOTE=Juiceguy]
Just as things were going so well and I started to think maybe this is the one, I got a text message asking me for 50,000 baht. I knew the game and told her I didn't have it. She then asked my for 25,000 baht instead. That was the last time I spoke with her and have never seen her again.
However, and the point of my story is that their job is to make money from their lifestyle. Our desire or job is to get laid. We pay them to be so nice to us.
Juiceguy[/QUOTE]
Thai girls probably imagine that Western guys have plenty of money.
She probably decided that you were a stingy bastard who could not even spare 25K Baht and that you probably just wanted to screw her.
I may be way off based on not understanding what your "bunch" of money meant. I don't see the evidence in your story that she was a "bad" girl or a scam artist. however perhaps the some of the story was omitted.
Most Thai girls, not in well paid jobs, have lives dominated by financial pressures. They have families to support. Poor girls who never need some financial help will be rare.
I feel this problem will always arise for couples of non-equal financial standing.
So look for a rich girl who is just intested in serving your needs.
On a tangent:
I know of one Thai girl who waits on her Thai boyfriend hand and foot, takes all his orders, and pays for him all the time even though she has insufficient money. He works but presumably keeps his money for something else. Is she "truelly" in love? or just stupid?
Mongering should be about variety within the parameters of each persons own likes.
I just arrived in Thailand and my girlfriend is stuck in Ubon arranging house renovations. So I can play up today.
A hot bargirl is having her period, and another ex-massage girl is having family problems.
Anyhow is only lunch time and I simply have get into some depravity.
Its only a quick walk from Livingstone's Lodge to Phrom Phong BTS (sky train) station (no more than 300 meteres).
I get a magnetic card for the train with 200 Baht on it so I use for multiple trips without hunting for change all the time.
I travel a few stations on the Morchit line to Siam and there get off, and go down escalator to catch a sky-train going on the Saparn (bridge) Thaksin line, and get off at Sala Daeng (red pavilion). From there its a short walk to Phat Pong district.
Its almost desrted with most bars closed (seems strange for a place so hectic at night).
But SOL (Star of Light) opens at 9.00 AM and girls progressively arrive after that.
To find SOL, go west from Sala Daeng BTS station on the North side of Silom Road. pass Soi Thaniya, pass a really small Soi Silom 4, and turn right into Soi Phat Phong 2 (Patpong 2) with the big bag shop on the corner and "electric blue" sign overhead.
Enter Soi Pat Pong 2, go past the carpark and supermarket, pass the first little alley the second alley (I think) has a "star of light" sign above. Turn right and wander into the dark area. The Star of Light usually has girls in uniform top outside, a different colour each day. Today was red day.
Why am I here? Well Nic Frenchy ISG Forum report introduced me to this "den of iniquiity" as one of the superior blow-job bars.
But its way more than that. Its a very viable alternative to "Eden" and in fact, personally, I much prefer it.
In general I don't go to blow job bars because I want a lot more than just a skilled blow-job by an ordinary looking girl.
I sometimes want to get into the fantasy stuff. At SOL almost anything goes, if you are "nice" about it.
Eden has a few problems for me.
Not many of the girls look good to me (generally too big and not tht pretty). Its not a place where you can chat to the girls for a while before deciding who you want, and the upstairs stuff is played somewhat by a formula with a feeling of not quite spontenaity at times. The girls may appear to be going through the motions at times when they do something that they are expected to do but are not really into it.
At SOL, I can overcome these problems by taking multiple girls, and suggesting certain things nicely and then see which ones are into it. So we had some relaxing drinks first while I selected some girls, sometimes consulting the girls already chosen as to did they like this one or that one better. I chose variety. From dark to light skinned, from soft flesh to well-toned muscles, but none too skinny, none to fat, none too old, etc.
My first session commenced with Lek (toned), Ay (or Eh/Aey) (pretty girl with light skin and long nipples), and Nong (soft flesh and ample tits). Lek was suggesting we rush to the back room before the other Asian guy got it, but he was there first, and what the hell. I can manage in the bar.
I started to play with the girls gently teasing there clothes off and they were gently teasing my gear off too.
We were in the bar, but I didn't care who would come in and what they think of our groping and cavorting. The disadvantage of the bar area is that there is no bed for sex, only couches. I haven't got to check out the back room yet since urgent sex has been a higher priority than waiting for the back room to be available. I would recommend visiting SOL at relatively quiet times if you need your privacy in the back room. The easy alternative is "take out" to a nearby shorttime "hotel" (or should I call it "fuck rooms") (one is barely 50 metres away opens early evening). Otherwise Soi Patpong 1 has '3 M' rooms not far from Silom Road.
The girls soon understood that I like to use my mouth and tongue and didn't want to start the BJ immediately.
So I could be licking one girls clit while finger exploring the depths of a couple of other pussies concurrenly.
These girls were clean and tasted great by pussy or by mouth.
I could have two girls tongues.deep in my mouth tussling with my tongue at the same time.
Two girls spread-eagled themselves and put on masturbation shows (not exactly super expert but O.K.)
I had BBBJ from all girls and FS with both Nong and Ay. I was enjoying Ay so much that I accidently shot my load after not much more than 40 mins of cavorting. After all had not had a fuck for some time..
I supplied my own condoms (good fit) and lube, which was handy as they only had oil which is not great with condoms.
Nong's arsehole was available but I don't usually go for trying to ram it into a really tight hole so I passed on that one this time (maybe I'll try it some day).
I like the sofness of pussy and I like to get BBBJ soft and slow too.
The girls got their money: 700 Baht for BBBJ girls and 1000 for those doing FS (BBBJ included) plus a little extra tip each.
The girls indicated that I was the first customer for most of them today (it wasn't busy).
Unfortunately no photos are allowed, but I may be able to get dirty photos if I take several girls to a Hotel room some day.
They are into private parties too.
The girls stayed with me cuddling up and having a drink while we waited for the guy in the back room to be done, so I could go and wash up. In the meantime wrapped the "old fellow" in tissues.
Later on I was explaining that I really need to rest for a while before a second round, but they didn't believe me, having seen that deep french kissing gets me hard quite easily. I limited the alcohol consumption to keep the anaesthetising effects under control, since I would need to be at my best
Nong had had to go shopping so Wan was her willing replacement. Smaller tits to the others but with a certain wickness about her.
Wan was quite keen to put on a lesbian show, licking out the other girls, and I was devouring Wan's mound also.
Wan provided actually the best BBBJ for my preference, while Ay would suit those looking for a faster more intense BBBJ.
This time I was slow to shoot my bolt, but in the end Wan's skilled sucking combined with Lek licking the balls, Ay's delicious tongue dancing with my own tongue and both hands occupied with pussy was just too much to deny. Pure heaven.
Paid the girls again. No FS this time so cheaper.
O.K. So the bigger the party, the more it costs, but still didn't break the bank.
The hygene fanatics will probably freak out with all the risky things I have done here, but I had pre-dosed with Zithro as a precaution for wayward mongering. I wash my hands thoroughly afterwards and gargled on some mouth wash and condoms were used for the full sex.
If I catch a cold virus (the most frequent hazard), well its just bad luck, or good luck if I don't
These girls seemed very clean (free from odour) but one can never tell how dilligent is the cleaning routine of a girl, no matter what class of girl you are dealling with.
The variety of SOL makes it much more than a blow job bar and has a more relaxed atmosphere than Eden and looks of the girls higher than Eden on average, with some reasonably good lookers available. Privacy in back room is available or can you put on a sex show in the bar.
It takes most guys a while to work up to the point that they don't care who is watching.
Old experiences in the Kangaroo bar and Toy bar probably got me used to it plus FKK clubs in Germany.
Some guys may be into watching others get a BJ or have sex.
I'm more into the doing as I prefer to watch girls more so than boys.
Perhaps the 'no photos' policy disqualifies this from being a "Porn Party".
I should add that I like girls who act naturally (so not really like pornstars). For me enthusiasm counts for more than ultimate technique. I never ask the girls to do anything that they really don't want to do. Its best if we all have a good time.
[QUOTE=Surferr3]
The hotel is on Soi 15 and I would rather avoid NANA. Has anyone had recent experiences or a recommendation they could make? I prefer to stay close to the hotel and would entertain a massage place with a happy finish if there is one in close proximity. Soi Cowboy would be great as well if it is open late still.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure what sort of distance you're thinking of when you say you prefer to stay close to the hotel. The Dream is close to the whole late-night Sukhumvit circus. If you are looking specifically for an MP within a few blocks of Soi 15 that will be open very late, others may be able to help you - MPs aren't my scene. But if you're looking for a FLer or BG, there are many places up and down the Suk where you can met one from Soi 11 to Soi Cowboy. And you are only a 35-baht cab ride away from anywhere on the lower Suk.
Evil
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I give her a little wink and she gets up her stool, grabs my arm and escorts me inside. I order a beer and asks her if she wants a drink, she looks at me as if she did not hear properly so I ask her again if she would care for a beverage and she kindly refuses. I know this place is not a place where you can chill out with a beer with your girl and have a meaningful conversation (actually it's more like "Blow & Go", "In & Out") but I can't order a drink without offering one to the lady standing next to me.
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I reach over her shirt and start to unbutton it, revealing a very nice bra. She takes it off and proudly massages her own breasts (which look gorgeous on her, although not natural).
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I had a relaxed outtake of SOL girls Ae & Nong with plenty of time for BBBJ, FS and everything. Decided a bed was in order today for a more comfortable extended sex session. These two girls live together, eat together, fuck together so not all shy in each others company.
All real tits too.
I normally go for skinny girls, but sometimes just a little extra padding feels fantastic.
Sorry Pic not top quality only had the cellphone with me.
Got their phone numbers so I can ring on the mongerphone and tell them to come straight to my Hotel anytime. Don't even have to venture out to Patpong.
I must go now, as they are on the way here.
i finally decided to investigate the famous beergarden on soi 7. although on several occasions i had peeked in while walking by, and taken a couple walkthroughs via the scenic route to the back [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] room, this time i planted myself and lapped up some pea soup {80 baht} and rice {10 baht}. note for tg readers, this is not to be confused with e. indian [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] soup.
not surprisingly at this joint you will find the good, the bad and the ugly in the looks department, much like the nana car park, although the latter gets a higher grade & thermae perhaps even more so.
a young lady picked me up and we went back to the hotel. what your name, she asks. butterfly. me butterfly bigger than you. not same. no, not same. i butterfly since i like variety and have not found the perfect woman. but she sleeps around because farang will not keep her as his one woman and take care of her, so she has to see other men to support the family.
often we mongers are looking for a very experienced girl who will send us to heaven, but its all about variety of experience for me.
here is a fantasy about teaching new things to a girl who has very little experience (but the story is 100% true as far as how i experienced it).
one night the girl i was to meet didn't show as she had got blind drunk with her friend and was being violently sick.
so i wandered into a bar in soi cowboy for a drink. it was late (12:30 am) and not many girls were left. most had gone with customers. however one girl working in reception/service uniform (like a very sexy school girl outfit) was very cute in the way that farangs like. a bit dark skinned and a gypsy like look that could have been half thai and half spanish, or something like that, but in truth full thai. she looked so young she could have been just 18.
the service girls were being required to take some turns to dance on the podium as well since not enough go-go girls left over.
occasionally a customer would try to molest my girl (the one i was eyeing) a little or to try to get her to remove some clothes, but she would escape skillfully.
a customer challenged the service staff to compete against each other for a prize. the 4 girls had to down a tequilla and then a full bottle of beer each. the one who finished first would be the winner.
my girl drank her beer steadily and consistently. had to stop a couple of times near the end for a brief breath, and eventually finished just first with only a few slurps spilled on her outfit but not noticeable. i was just leaving but stopped to ask her how much she had won. the prize was a 300 baht tip.
miss "f" explained that she was very proud to win as normally she did not drink beer at all and it tasted so bitter.
i said that i thought the customer was a little tight to only give 300 baht, but i would double it if she came to sit with me a little.
got her another tequilla. she had to keep dashing off to service customers wanting a drink or to dance a little on stage. she claimed she couldn't dance, but i thought she was real sexy and was starting to show off a little, with the alcohol having its affect.
in between these things she would get a tequilla from me.
i soon asked if she would go with me tonight.
"what for?" she asked. "eat or dance, maybe, but definitely no boom-boom".
i indicated i wanted her company for the night for a nice cuddle.
"just hug only?" she asked teasingly.
i dropped the subject for a while. as she got drunk, and not so steady on the feet, she had no problem cuddling up to me. eventually she allowed a quick sneek peck on those beautiful big lips.
with the slowly slowly approach, eventually she was getting more daring and allowed slightly longer kisses (but no tongue).
miss f was 24 apparently but looked way less. her self esteem was down as her ex-boyfriend had apparently dumped her for a prettier girl (in his view), but perhaps more so because she had come to work at a bad establishment.
i was doing well by indicating how incredibly cute she was, and how i had been looking at just her since i entered the place.
it was getting close to closing time and the mamasan asked if i wanted to bar fine miss f. miss f was protesting, but mamasan was trying to dominate and was explaining to her that, as she was drunk, she could just go and sleep with and not do anything until morning. i agreed and said that i wouldn't force her to anything that she couldn't agree to.
miss f had been working just one month at the bar (before that a fitness centre selling stuff). miss f had gone with customers before, for eating, drinking or dancing but never for sleeping.
eventually with the assistance of the alcohol, miss f agreed to go with me, but was was clearly suffering misgivings. i paid the drink bill and bar fine. there was no discussion of other money at all.
arriving at my hotel in the taxi, disaster nearly struck. miss f said that she probably did not have her identity card with her, as she never needed it, but of course i knew the night man in the hotel lobby would want to keep it for security reasons. fortunately she found it in the handbag, so it wasn't to be totally bad luck tonight for me.
getting to the room, i grabbed her and we sprawled on the bed. after some cuddles i started to kiss her gently. the kisses gradually progressed till her mouth became more open. i started playing with her small tits and eventually struggled to get her t-shirt and bra off.
when i started on her jeans, she asked what i was doing. she explained that she had virtually no experience with sex and so wouldn't be any good so didn't want it. i got the jeans off and she had to go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url]-[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url].
when she returned and flopped on the bed, i started gently kissing her nipples and soon moved to her mound, still panty clad. again she protested "what are you doing? i haven't washed". her fight was getting weaker thanks to the alcohol.
i didn't want to wait till morning to fuck her as i was scared that the alcolhol assist would be gone and she might have a hang-over.
pulled her panties off and started gently kissing her mound again.
more weak protests but no fight in her at all.
mostly "what am i doing?" like she had never been thoroughly licked before and that she wasn't washed up. no matter she tasted quite o.k.
her legs started off as quite rigid and closed but soon she started to squirm in some enjoyment and the legs gradually started to open wider.
i slipped in a finger to gently massage her g-spot and this was clearly enjoyed.
at one point, later on, she seemed to complain and touched my finger-tip as though it had scratched her. i indicated i was inserting just knuckle and only a little at this time. she was forced to admit "no, no, put the finger back in" as she liked it.
her squirming and bucking got stronger and stronger which made it more difficult to stay on her clit. she didn't seem to be reaching orgasm although was super wet. was it the alcohol anaesthetising or was it that she was to shy to give precise instructions as to whether she wanted it stronger or softer? probably a bit of both. so the "measure of last resort" comes to the rescue.
out comes my spare vibrator with the high revs kept for special girls.
she protests "what is that?" "where did i get it?", "why?" etc.
but she isn't trying to stop me gently massaging her clit with it.
eventually i get her hold it so she can use it 'just how she likes it' while i still have a finger working on the g-spot. after she gets used to it and properly relaxed she eventually lets go, with a great orgasm.
i am now getting the condom on. there is no blow job and no hand job from her. i'll probably have to teach these things to her next time. she again protests that she thought there would no sex. she is scared it will hurt a lot. i promise to be very slow and soft (i'm no sadist) and will stop if it hurts.
she says its a long time since she has had sex, but what she means by "long time" i don't know. my long time is 3 days but i guess hers is at least months.
with plenty of gel lube, i get into insert just a little, and move just slowly till she gets used it. she is starting to move o.k. too. gradually put in more and more and she is starting to pull her legs up for good entry and her very long pussy hair feels great as it brushes my balls. i never thought to enjoy a big bush like this. her pussy is tight and feels good.
we have long slow sex, with more vibe use concurrently, to get her to orgasm again. eventually i turn her on the side for a bit and on the back for different feelings and finally blow my load contentedly. i had to sneek off to clean up and she had to go [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] again. we collapse on the bed and cuddle up till we fall asleep. still in same snuggled position in the morning.
i am awake so go brush my teeth and sneak back. i start molesting her while she sleeps and begin kissing her pussy under the covers. she starts to awaken finding herself being molested again.
there are few protests this time and she reaches orgasm more easily this morning. seems she has no hang-over.
her telephone rings just as i am getting close to orgasm but thankfully she doesn't answer it. after we finish, the phone rings again, but this time she picks it up and goes to the toilet to talk.
when she comes back she says "oh no, i forgot".
my god, what important thing has she forgotten?
where is she supposed to be? who is looking for her?
it turns out she has merely forgotten which coloured toothbrush i had assigned her the previous night.
gave her a generous tip. "all this for me?" she asked, suprised. so i could have given very little but wanted to fair. she normally only sees this much when getting her monthly salary which is quite low. she must rely on drink commisions and tips to survive.
took her to breakfast and sent her off in the taxi.
wasn't sure if i should include a pic.
i had 2nd thoughts and deleted it.
Evil P...... Thanks for your response amigo.
I actually arrive at 11:45 PM on UAL. I have since found that Soi Cowboy is still open until 2:00 (or so)......
I figure after clearing customs and dropping the luggage at the Dream Hotel I can still find a girl in Soi Cowboy (Baccarat:))) to meet my needs. Again, thanks for your assistance!
[QUOTE=Surferr3]Evil P...... Thanks for your response amigo.
I actually arrive at 11:45 PM on UAL. I have since found that Soi Cowboy is still open until 2:00 (or so)......
I figure after clearing customs and dropping the luggage at the Dream Hotel I can still find a girl in Soi Cowboy (Baccarat:))) to meet my needs. Again, thanks for your assistance![/QUOTE]
It will probably be after 1am by the time you reach Soi Cowboy ---- I expect the best girls will have already been taken.
but I was pretty much planning on writing the arrival night off.
I figure if I can pull someone out of the bar before 2:00 (assuming I have arrived on schedule) I'd gladly settle for a simple massage to take the travel edge off.
I hope to find the best girls the following night:;
Hi,
I went to the above bar/club last night -first time ever. Great live band and loads of chicks on the look-out, many of whom with fake boobs. I chatted with one of them, danced a bit and took her to my hotel. Prior to picking her up, she made it clear she wanted some $$ to spend the night with me, I said sure no problem.
Had two shots, she spent the night over, good service and, as I am not a regular in BKK, I paid her 1,500 B. She obviously was not happy at all, she asked 3000B, I added 500B to the 1500B and gave her 2000B in total -- but she was still apparently unhappy. I would not pay more so she finally took off but she was obviously not happy.
What is the right price in this kind of place ? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say ?
Thanks
Oh, it seems to be all over the board. I won't pay over 2k for a LT. But, that's just me. Some guys won't pay over 1, 500 for a LT.
My experience over the last two years has been 2k for LT and 1500 for ST is average.
Again, that's my experience. I'm not a bad looking guy. The women seem to like me. So I can usually find a cute one for those prices. Probably less if I wanted to work harder at getting the price down.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]Hi,
I went to the above bar/club last night -first time ever. Great live band and loads of chicks on the look-out, many of whom with fake boobs. I chatted with one of them, danced a bit and took her to my hotel. Prior to picking her up, she made it clear she wanted some $$ to spend the night with me, I said sure no problem.
Had two shots, she spent the night over, good service and, as I am not a regular in BKK, I paid her 1,500 B. She obviously was not happy at all, she asked 3000B, I added 500B to the 1500B and gave her 2000B in total -- but she was still apparently unhappy. I would not pay more so she finally took off but she was obviously not happy.
What is the right price in this kind of place ? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mandiri]Had two shots, she spent the night over, good service and, as I am not a regular in BKK, I paid her 1,500 B. She obviously was not happy at all, she asked 3000B, I added 500B to the 1500B and gave her 2000B in total -- but she was still apparently unhappy. I would not pay more so she finally took off but she was obviously not happy.
What is the right price in this kind of place ? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Mandiri,
2000 LT is already on the low end for a Cowboy or Nana girl (of course you can get some for even cheaper, but keep in mind you get what you pay for). Spasso or any bar on soi 33 for example will charge you 2000 for ST, LT will be minimum 3000. These are the prices I pay (I almost never do ST as I don't really like it).
I think 3k is reasonable for LT with a girl From Spasso.
Yes, some will tell you they are the same girls when naked, but they definitely have a much better appearance and speak better English.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]...
What is the right price in this kind of place ? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say ?
...
[/QUOTE]Mandiri,
The prices in Spasso are definitely higher. Even THB 3,000 (what she asked for) seams on the low side to me.
Go to Nana or Cowboy if you want to find the girls for ST/LT 1,500 / 2,000 .
Giotto
[QUOTE=Mandiri]
Had two shots, she spent the night over, good service and, as I am not a regular in BKK, I paid her 1,500 B. She obviously was not happy at all, she asked 3000B, I added 500B to the 1500B and gave her 2000B in total -- but she was still apparently unhappy. I would not pay more so she finally took off but she was obviously not happy.
What is the right price in this kind of place ? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Guys vary tremendously on what they think a night of sex is worth.
Also girls vary a lot on how much they expect. Some girls value themselves higher and won't even do short time for 1500 Baht.
Some bar girls in Long Gun get 1000 Baht tips just for dancing sexy. So there is no way that they are going to go for the night cheaply.
The top dancer in Long Gun only goes with customers occasionally when she knows them well and really likes them and trusts that they are not stingy.
She doesn't go with younger guys normally as finds them too arrogant and aggressive.
Other girls out on street will do long time for 1.5K if they like the guy. If they don't like him the price might go higher. She will be thinking how much is the ordeal going to be worth.
Its simple really.
Each guy must decide how much is his limit for the particular girl and then negotiate with her to see if agreement can be reached. If not, then find another girl with a better deal. Some girls are not worth their asking price. Others are worth more than their asking price in my opinion. Its about value for money rather than a set price.
The problems arise with girls that are too shy to negotiate.
They may well be very pleased with what the guy decides is fair, or they may be very upset.
Your girl came from a place where a higher fee is expected as a matter of course. As you are a low figure payer for Bangkok LT, you really should discuss the price first.
Very few girls negotiate with me. I guess they seem to feel that I am not stingy and should know a fair price.
Experience allows girls to develop a sense of which guys should be negotiated with to get a good price, and with which guys it is better to take the gamble of not asking for X Baht, on the basis that he might give more than X Baht. Of course knowing which guys will be generous is a tricky thing for girls. But I assume that many are weighing up this gamble in their minds: "will I ask for X Baht, or will I just let hime decide"?
[QUOTE=Mandiri]What is the right price in this kind of place? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say? [/QUOTE]That would depend on a number of things, such as how good looking she is, her attitude, and service. I would probably pay a girl who fucks me for four hours a lot more than one who fucks me for four minutes, whether I cum or not, even if both of them are my long time LT guests. The latter might get four thousand, the former two, if she is lucky.
What is good looking? I usually look at about 7 categories and give up to one point for each. These include, from the bottom up, legs, bum, tits, lips, face, hair, & the rest. The rest includes her arms, skin, etc. For example one of my regulars gets graded, respectively, with 0. 8, 0. 8, 0. 8, 0. 9, 0. 5, 0. 9, 0. 5 for a total of 5. 2 out of a possible 7. 0. She gets 1000 Baht for 1. 5 hours of actual service, plus tips at my discretion. Attitude & service around 8 out of 10, though varies from day to day and second to second.
What is good service? To me this means she does her job well, whatever it may be. For some ladies it may only be one thing I want her for, such as BLS, since she sucks at everything else. So if I am in the mood for her specialty I ring her up. No two ladies suck balls the same way, and even if she does it very well her way, it may not be the way I like it the best if at all.
If you are a virgin at recieving BLS, or have not recieved it from many women, they you may get lousy service and think it is great. Or get good service with their styles, but have not experienced a style that would take you past the first to the seventh heaven.
No lady I've ever met does everything well, let alone with a perfect attitude and looks. I consider myself lucky whenever I find one that can do one thing well, whether that is, swimming, smoking, anal BLS massages, DK, or simply cuddling. Believe it or not, many cannot even do the latter without screwing it up.
Most females are mental Disneylands, Thai or not, so-called good girl or bad, drug alcohol abuser or straight. But I will remain buy sexual because the big difference between sex for money and sex for free is that sex for money costs less.
In Bangkok you can find TGs of about any body type you want, boys, and in abundance, even now during the slow season. You want big tits and asses? No problem. No need to go to South America.
Your resident **** bag, Rear Entry Bias, live in Bang Kok
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Guys vary tremendously on what they think a night of sex is worth.
Also girls vary a lot on how much they expect. Some girls value themselves higher and won't even do short time for 1500 Baht.
Some bar girls in Long Gun get 1000 Baht tips just for dancing sexy. So there is no way that they are going to go for the night cheaply.
The top dancer in Long Gun only goes with customers occasionally when she knows them well and really likes them and trusts that they are not stingy.
She doesn't go with younger guys normally as finds them too arrogant and aggressive.
Other girls out on street will do long time for 1.5K if they like the guy. If they don't like him the price might go higher. She will be thinking how much is the ordeal going to be worth.
Its simple really.
Each guy must decide how much is his limit for the particular girl and then negotiate with her to see if agreement can be reached. If not, then find another girl with a better deal. Some girls are not worth their asking price. Others are worth more than their asking price in my opinion. Its about value for money rather than a set price.
The problems arise with girls that are too shy to negotiate.
They may well be very pleased with what the guy decides is fare, or they may be very upset.
Your girl came from a place where a higher fee is expected as a matter of course. As you are a low figure payer for Bangkok LT, you really should discuss the price first.
Very few girls negotiate with me. I guess they seem to feel that I am not stingy and should know a fair price.
Experience allows girls to develop a sense of which guys should be negotiated with to get a good price, and with which guys it is better to take the gamble of not asking for X Baht, on the basis that he might give more than X Baht. Of course knowing which guys will be generous is a tricky thing for girls. But I assume that many are weighing up this gamble in their minds: "will I ask for X Baht, or will I just let hime decide"?[/QUOTE]
very fair comments I have to say. Thanks for the input.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]very fair comments I have to say. Thanks for the input.[/QUOTE]
On Soi 33, the 'upscale' area, BF is 1500, ST 2000, LT as much as 3000, all negotiable but total outlay is at least 3500. Spasso is considered 'upscale' which is why your date wasn't happy....
As others have already posted, prices elsewhere are considerably lower.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Mandiri,
The prices in Spasso are definitely higher. Even THB 3,000 (what she asked for) seams on the low side to me.
Go to Nana or Cowboy if you want to find the girls for ST/LT 1,500 / 2,000 .
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I have not been to Spasso but 3000 baht does not sound excessive to me, most girls in CM2 open the bidding at 4000 baht LT.
If you want cheap prices stick to the freelancers on Sukhumvit and avoid upmarket nightclubs.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Mandiri,
2000 LT is already on the low end for a Cowboy or Nana girl (of course you can get some for even cheaper, but keep in mind you get what you pay for). Spasso or any bar on soi 33 for example will charge you 2000 for ST, LT will be minimum 3000. These are the prices I pay (I almost never do ST as I don't really like it).
I think 3k is reasonable for LT with a girl From Spasso.
Yes, some will tell you they are the same girls when naked, but they definitely have a much better appearance and speak better English.[/QUOTE]
Rainbow 4 girls seem to quote 4000 baht LT, of course it depends on how popular the girl is and what time of the night it is ----the later it is the bigger chance of negotiating a lower price.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]Hi,
I went to the above bar/club last night -first time ever. Great live band and loads of chicks on the look-out, many of whom with fake boobs. I chatted with one of them, danced a bit and took her to my hotel. Prior to picking her up, she made it clear she wanted some $$ to spend the night with me, I said sure no problem.
Had two shots, she spent the night over, good service and, as I am not a regular in BKK, I paid her 1,500 B. She obviously was not happy at all, she asked 3000B, I added 500B to the 1500B and gave her 2000B in total -- but she was still apparently unhappy. I would not pay more so she finally took off but she was obviously not happy.
What is the right price in this kind of place ? To me, paying 3k B for a night of sex in BKK is just too much. What do you guys say ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
3K is on the low end for Sposso's. They usually start at 4 and go up from there. But, as we all know, everything is negoitable in BKK. Must have been one on the lower end girls.
[QUOTE=Redfield10]My experience over the last two years has been 2k for LT and 1500 for ST is average.
Again, that's my experience. I'm not a bad looking guy. The women seem to like me. So I can usually find a cute one for those prices. Probably less if I wanted to work harder at getting the price down.[/QUOTE]
I'm a big, old ugly bald guy and I can get the same price as you. Women seem to like me also, especially when they see the size of my wallet.
During my recent visit, I picked up Alee from near Nana. Good looking girl. Good companion. Very co-operative. I called her the second day and had a very nice time with her. For both the days I paid THB1,000 for short time, 2 shots.
Details:
Name: Alee
Age: around 24
Boobs: 33B?
BBJ/FJ:Yes
GFE:Yes
RTF:Yes
Any one wanting her can call her on 084-6601839. Btw, she is available only after 9pm as apparently she is working somewhere.
Please don't forget to post your reports.
Rates are definitely on the up. When converted to USD it’s not cheap anymore (looking at the THB onshore rate).
Seems that going to Japanese/Spas places is becoming a valid alternative price wise. Good lookers, quality performance plus a regular massage, all for THB 2,500.
JB
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]Rainbow 4 girls seem to quote 4000 baht LT, of course it depends on how popular the girl is and what time of the night it is ----the later it is the bigger chance of negotiating a lower price.[/QUOTE]I once (a couple of months back) was lucky enough to get a Rainbow stunner for 2000 LT at closing time. But I had bought her a few drinks before and we got along quite well, so she obliged. And she was really good. I was surprised.
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Rates are definitely on the up. When converted to USD it’s not cheap anymore (looking at the THB onshore rate).
JB[/QUOTE]
Fortunately some of us don't have to convert to USD.
The Australian dollar is so strong now it will soon be equal to a USD.
So prices seem improved from 6 months ago.
The following will be my experiences, thoughts and impressions of Thailand and some good hints for newbie’s like me with stuff that is not included in most of the reports. I hope you enjoy them.
Well this is my first trip to the LOS and I am lucky enough to be able to come for 1 month.
1st part of my trip 4 days in Bangkok.
I stayed at the majestic suites on Sukumvit between Soi 4 and Soi 6. Great location and great service, 5 min walk to Nana Plaza and with no "guest fees" on top of that. The room I got was clean but small, but for 1242b per night with a free breakfast I was not complaining. I would stay there again no problem but just make sure your room faces the street because the other side is "Nana Plaza" so you get all the boum-boum of the music bouncing off you windows and walls. I was on the street side.
As a newbie I did all the tourist things: Jade Buddha, standing Buddha, leaning Buddha, lucky Buddha, river boat ride, the golden mountain, the grand palace and more stuff that I can remember and all good places to visit at least 1 time. I do not regret going to all those places but 1 time is enough. If you have never seen these places than it’s worth it, all except for the floating market. You can avoid that one I thought it was boring as hell.
Some tips for you newbies:
1-In that area (Nana Plaza) the best place to exchange you money is at the UOB place on Soi 3, 50 feet from Sukumvit.
2-They give better rates if you have traveler’s checks so if you are like me and you financial institution at home gives you free travellers checks then take them.
Now some say the difference is not worth the effort but if you look at it this way. I got 250b more on a 500$ exchange that is all my cell phone usage needs in Thailand. Just because I walked 50 extra feet. Think about it.
Nana Plaza:
Man what a place. Anything you want you can get there. Stunners, Ladyboys, freelancers, anal, GS, duos and more. I was there every night I was in Bangkok (will do Soi cowboy on my 2nd stay). The place to go right now is "Rainbow 4". Man this place rocks. 200 girls from 6s to 10s, just pick and choose the one you like and if after 1 drink you hit it off than off you go. 5 min walk and that’s it.
I do not know if my type is appealing to these girls (it’s not for North American girls) but I was quoted 1000 ST and 2000 LT by absolute stunners and all that at 10 pm not at closing time. They all talked about my thick eyebrows and how they know that someone like me would have to be a butterfly I was so good looking (yeah right). But guys right beside me that I thought looked good and in good shape and all (not like me) where being quoted 1500 ST and 3000 LT by the same girls so hey I love this place. .
Be careful of the Ladyboys. Man I walk in one of the LB go-go place by error (I’m a newbie I don’t know these places so I just walked in).
OK rating time by me:
1st floor:
Voodoo: good place but girls are so-so.
Playskool: I like the outfits but bar is smaller than I thought and girls ok.
Rainbow 1 and 2: Pass
Hollywood: Very small and girl not to my liking
2nd floor:
Angle-witch: great place, great shows. Could of stayed there a while. Ladies are very nice there.
Rainbow 4: The best. Just overwhelming as you come in. Stunners everywhere Big Mango: small beer bar but the hamburgers are great there. If you are hungry don’t eat those fried bugs get a hamburger from big Mango.
Never got to the 3rd floor sorry.
Made a trip to Soi 7/1 and got to try out Eden. This place has been reviewed over and over again but I can confirm the service if 2nd to no one. I spent a great 90 min there and the girls I chose were at least 7s so not to bad. If you have never been there you got to try it.
4 days have gone past very fast. Did the tourist thing, the mongering thing and 7 different encounters later I am off to Phuket for some Scuba diving. See part 2 in that section. Hope you enjoyed the reading and it was not to long.
Have a good one you guys.
Champs1000
Champs1000,
You must be very "hansum" man, the price normally quoted in Rainbow 4 is 2000 ST, 4000 LT.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I once (a couple of months back) was lucky enough to get a Rainbow stunner for 2000 LT at closing time. But I had bought her a few drinks before and we got along quite well, so she obliged. And she was really good. I was surprised.[/QUOTE]
Yes of course it is possible, especially at closing time, but in my experience there are very few "stunners" still around near to closing time.
Guys, if you want to see Nude dancing, “Long Gun” is good and probably still the best overall bar in Soi Cowboy with great girls and shows. For really young girls, others may prefer Shark, but its boring.
Now if you want more extreme eroticism, Suzi Wong is the go-go. Here some of the girls not only dance nude but plenty of shaved pussy. The Lesbian and Oil shows are hot and not to be missed.
There is full on girl licking pussy action going on here. Seeing this up close gets me hard real quick. Not every girl in the lesbian show is a real lesbian/bi-sexual but some of them are true bi-sexuals and are really into it.
Miss “Nok” (name changed) is a real bi-sexual but doesn’t do the show as she says that she would lose control of the show too quickly and probably orgasm on stage. Miss “Prae” is another bi-sexual who does do the show. Nok and Prae have never been together, and both have independently hinted that they would be excited to have a “gik” (gig) with the other.
Tonight is Halloween so many of the girls are specially made up to look gruesome. The sign outside saying 50 ugly girls and 2 gorgeous ones, may well be true today. LOL.
The mamasan/show-manager ( a lady-boy) is an exceptionally gruesome witch tonight, with very skilled makeup. She moves as if to kiss me (just teasing) but you should have seen the look of sheer terror on my face.
I supplied Nok and Prae with a couple of tequilas each to get them in the mood, as if they weren’t horny for each other already, but I didn’t want them at all shy. The bar-fines had been jacked up bit for Halloween which seemed wrong to me. However tomorrow would not be an option.
There is no way I was taking these girls to my regular hotel.
The first short-time Hotel at the end of the street was fully booked with screw-ers, so I had to go to the one just around the corner. The 3 of us walked down the Soi arm in arm, but all three had on big dark sunglasses (as if to be semi-incognito). Nok had her own and I supplied 2 pairs from my small carry bag. One girl said I looked like Brad Pitt in those sunnies, which was bullshit, but at least I know I am better looking when you can’t see my eyes. My special nick-name is “Mee Panda” (Panda Bear) due to my perpetual dark rings under the eyes.
ST time Hotel charged 450 Baht. I think its only 300 Baht with one girl. They supply condoms but I had my own plus lube gel, toothbrush and toothpaste, and some other “special” things.
First up we each showered. Prae had a smooth pussy (just shaved today), but Nok’s was a few day growth, so she got out the blade to get a nice smooth job so the lickers could enjoy it more. So I had a shaving show before the private lesbian sex show.
The sex session was extended with lots of photos being taken as well. I supplied a special mask (not quite a Halloween one) so that the girls face might not be recognizable. The super vibrator came out as well. Neither girl had ever used one so a new experience for them.
With 2 girls, lots of different combos are possible and were tried, e.g. Prae licks Nok’s pussy will I french kiss Nok and play with her tits, while Nok is stroking my cock and Prae, my balls. I lick Prae’s pussy while she does Nok. I screw Nok from behind doggy-style while she licks out Prae.
Nok gives me BBBJ while Prae licks my balls. This is one of the best parts, I must say.
Too many other variations to list them all. The girls learn how to use a vibrator as well and are quite impressed. Nok asks me to buy one for her for time when she is alone and Prae seemed most surprised that the vibe could make her come.
In total Prae had 3 orgasms, Nok had 2, and I had only one while fucking Nok but was concurrent with Nok’s orgasm. Normally I don’t the ability to come at the same time as a girl. I wasn’t at peak strength having been to an MP not long before, so one orgasm was enough.
Lots of pics were taken. Here are a few for starters.
The key to a fun threesome (or foursome) is getting girls that are either very comfortable and uninhibited in each others presence, or are really "into" each other in a big way. Shy girls are no use for this type of experience.
Any thoughts on where the absolute hottest girls are available regardless of price? I've been strictly a gogo kind of guy but some of the reports are making me think of Spasso and CM2 as possible alternatives. Never been to either although been to BKK a dozen times.
[QUOTE=MrMorton]Any thoughts on where the absolute hottest girls are available regardless of price? I've been strictly a gogo kind of guy but some of the reports are making me think of Spasso and CM2 as possible alternatives. Never been to either although been to BKK a dozen times.[/QUOTE]
I don't think the girls at Spasso's are that much better looking, just classier and more expensive.
CM2 was never my kind of place, Good if you like Russians, but why go to Moscow to screw a Thai?
[QUOTE=MrMorton]Any thoughts on where the absolute hottest girls are available regardless of price? I've been strictly a gogo kind of guy but some of the reports are making me think of Spasso and CM2 as possible alternatives. Never been to either although been to BKK a dozen times.[/QUOTE]
I have not been to Spasso but I have been to CM2 numerous times. I really like it because it is big with lots of room to walk about.
Not sure whether you will find the hottest girls in Bangkok but there are certainly many to choose from ---- I would guess that at least 95% of the girls in there are hookers.
You will also find a selection of "Russians" to the left of the club ---as you are facing the stage.
Regarding prices, Thai girls tend to ask for 4000 baht LT, Russians may open the bidding at 6000 baht ------ but a lot depends on the time of night, near to closing time (2-30am) you may see prices drop.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]
CM2 was never my kind of place, Good if you like Russians, but why go to Moscow to screw a Thai?[/QUOTE]
I doubt whether many guys actually travel to Thailand to screw a Russian but there is no harm in trying one while they are there.
You will not get a Russian in Moscow for a pittance, they have wised up and know what they are worth.
Ran a little experiment.
Posted a plain Photo in the Gallery and some far sexier ones in Bangkok and Bangkok Massage threads. The plain one in the Gallery gets far more views.
Even a "nothing much" photo can get a lot of views.
This means there are many Gallery forum viewers who don't read other threads much or maybe stick to Patthaya thread, who knows?
So if they don't look in other threads they may miss out. Their bad luck I guess. But I am suspecting that a high proportion of the forum are just Gallery dwellers, many of whom probably don't post pics also.
In September I wanted to go back to one of the places where I used to spend some good times with my GF. It's a large beer/show place called Coliseum on Sukhumvit, close to soi 57 (Ekamai). To my surprise it was closed.
A few days later we went to Pattaya and we wanted to go to Hollywood Disco (in Pattaya) another place we enjoyed in the past. Once again we discovered with surprise that it was closed.
Does anyone know what happened here, in both cases ?
My GF told me something (with her limited English) in the sense that things in Thailand are not as good as they used to be ... ! Does anybody have any comments here ?
[QUOTE=MrMorton]Any thoughts on where the absolute hottest girls are available regardless of price? I've been strictly a gogo kind of guy but some of the reports are making me think of Spasso and CM2 as possible alternatives. Never been to either although been to BKK a dozen times.[/QUOTE]To MRMorton,
I think the hottest stunner model type are find at highend japanese private night club , this club is not open to the public only to member only cater to the rich and the elite many of this girl is educated speak japanese and english and been to model school .
I think the girl that work the highend bar like spasso is overage high mileage thai but speak good english bangkok have different need for everyone it depend what you are looking for and spasso girl is not my cup of tea .
Fast eddie 48
Champ1000 was advising in his latest report, to change money in Soi 3, I don’t know about what kind of rate or currency he was talking but when I change cash Euro’s in BK, I always check on Sukhumvit most little change agents on a daily base, they can vary on the same day till 5 Bth / €. But the best since a long time and above all other street shops is the one in the BTS station in front of Emporium this next to where you buy the train ticket, for example on Sunday the street shop rate was around 48. 56 Thb/€ and they had a rate from 48. 78 Thb/€ that’s 20Thb/€ more! , now if you see shat you pay only 15thb for a BTS from Asoke to Phrom Phong its worth to go there but all guys on this form are shopping for P4P fun in that area anyway.
John Euro
What sort of mongering can you do in a 20 min break from the GF when picking up the washing and mending?
Thought I would take a peak at Magic Tables in Sukumvit Soi 7/1 (with subway on the corner) and its almost right next to Eden. I think 'Ring Fasion Massage' was in between.
Opens at 17:00 and closes at 2:00.
About 6 Girls in school uniform but very short skirts dancing on the table tops.
Its early but a few customers seated down low at the tables. .
I sit down and start staining the neck. I can see her ample bottom well, but am only getting a flash of pussy now and then. Looks like all the girls are shaved. Finally I realise that the table is a mirror and its easier to look down. Lights in the floor shine up the skirt provided the girl is not standing directly on the light.
Gave a couple of tips and bought a couple of lady drinks. One of the girls stooped down while dancing and spread exposing the pink bits.
My dick did start to stir. even the bare bottoms got me going a little.
All in all I wonder about this concept as it will attract customers for a few minutes. Once they get bored with the bare pussy, they will probably go, after a relatively short time.
[quote=mrmorton]any thoughts on where the absolute hottest girls are available regardless of price? i've been strictly a gogo kind of guy but some of the reports are making me think of spasso and cm2 as possible alternatives. never been to either although been to bkk a dozen times.[/quote]these places do not have high end hookers, i am not bale to recollect the the disc in grand erwan, majority of themhave high miles on them and no longer working in thai & jap places.
if you really want stunners go to high end bars, thia & japs places, where entry for new peeople is diffcult until your regular and have gone before with local people.
Does anyone know what the setup is at the Grace. I walked through there the other day. There are plenty of girls sitting in the coffee shop, in pairs or on their own, looking out at the foyer.
It looks like a pick up place, but i wasn't sure how to proceed. Anyone tried their luck there recently?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Long Time Boy]Followed the crowd to Soi Eden (Sukhumvit Soi 7 (or is it 9) the one with Club Eden in it). Was not in the mood for a full on experience so passed on Eden.
Two new clubs (or at least to me). One called Magic Tables has girls in modified school uniforms dancing on top of mirrored and lighted tables and guess what, they have no nikkers on! Surprise.
Very pleasant way to spend some time and drink some beer. No one hassles and you have to ask for companionship and I guess everyone is on the menu. [/QUOTE]
Stopped in Magic Tables. Pretty nice setup, pretty low-key. Girls dancing were enthusiastic but not really my type. Low-pressure as you say, for comparison less pressure than your average USA strip club where the dancers sell you lap-dances. Good place to chill. 95bht for a Singha.
About 7-9 girls dancing when I was there. More were there earlier when I walked by early (around 8 or 9pm).
Some of the cuter girls seemed unavailable, those in Nurses outfits sitting outside I never saw inside dancing. Similarly, the really cute waitresses (plaid skirts rather than solid) seemed friendly but largely unavailable. I chatted them up anyway, and had the interesting experience of having dinner, after the bar closed, with the owner, the bartender, and one waitress. I was interested in the waitress, but she said she couldn't come back to my hotel, wasn't clear on exactly why but she had just started (that day?) and might have been nervous. She wasn't precisely my taste so I didn't press the issue.
I had my eye actually both waitresses but an old Englishman was keeping the other one occupied by tipping her -- she didn't leave w/him though but he was tipping enough that she hung out. Some guys don't get the hint I guess.
-rump
[QUOTE=Skeeter]Does anyone know what the setup is at the Grace. I walked through there the other day. There are plenty of girls sitting in the coffee shop, in pairs or on their own, looking out at the foyer.
It looks like a pick up place, but i wasn't sure how to proceed. Anyone tried their luck there recently?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Yes it is.
No I haven't
[quote=leo2000]these places do not have high end hookers, i am not bale to recollect the the disc in grand erwan, majority of themhave high miles on them and no longer working in thai & jap places.
if you really want stunners go to high end bars, thia & japs places, where entry for new peeople is diffcult until your regular and have gone before with local people.[/quote]hi leo2000, could you recommend any of the high end thai places you mentioned? money is not the issue if quality is provided :-)
thanks so much.
wolfe
Pink Pearl reports "swimming, smoking, anal BLS massages" - could somebody be kind enough to translate these. Swimming ? ? ?
Agree with specialists. The Eden girls are good though, no shame in anything. Being sucked by one girl while another licks your butthole and balls is something everyone should do before they die.
Sunday night after close at the Nana car park was a bit disappointing; maybe all the cuties were gone by 3am? Anyway, walked by, hung out a little, walked away and back again.
By then, mostly uglies, drunken mongers trying to pick fights with each other, and a handful of ladyboys. One pretty girl was standing off the side as if trying to decide if it was worth waiting or if she should go. I was about to approach her but a group of 3 mongers wandered over, so I decided to not wait to see how that turned out. Oh, and can't forget all the taxi drivers who are convinced that I must want to go to whatever late night spot offers them a commission.
On a busier night, the Nana coffee shop seems like a good hangout spot.
Two or three cuties on the street or at nearby convenience marts, but otherwise pretty dead.
I realize it's hit-or-miss by the nature of unstructured and after-hours, but tonight didn't seem to make it worth repeating.
[quote=pahllus maximus]pink pearl reports "swimming, smoking, anal bls massages" - could somebody be kind enough to translate these. swimming ? ? ?
agree with specialists. the eden girls are good though, no shame in anything. being sucked by one girl while another licks your butthole and balls is something everyone should do before they die.[/quote]
sa-moke is a bj (thai says it that way - "sa-moke" - 2 sylables)
swimming? beats me - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url], maybe???
bls - hmmm ... ball licking service?? prostrate massage??
I'm not sure if its been listed before but upstairs on the left habd side when you enter Pat Pong Soi 2 from Suriwong Rd is a Blow Job Bar called Kob. Its generally not very busy and the service is reasonable. Cost I think is 750 Baht. They also have a small room for some privacy. Girls are average.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]I have not been to Spasso but I have been to CM2 numerous times. I really like it because it is big with lots of room to walk about.
Not sure whether you will find the hottest girls in Bangkok but there are certainly many to choose from ---- I would guess that at least 95% of the girls in there are hookers.
You will also find a selection of "Russians" to the left of the club ---as you are facing the stage.
Regarding prices, Thai girls tend to ask for 4000 baht LT, Russians may open the bidding at 6000 baht ------ but a lot depends on the time of night, near to closing time (2-30am) you may see prices drop.[/QUOTE]I got a chuckle when I read where are the absolutest hottest ladies in Bangkok. Its all relative and depending on what you are looking for. On my Birthday last year took 5 girls out to dinner (they were all friends), to a thai place paid for diiner drinks dancing for most of the night, then went back to my hotel and got my brains fucked out. A birthday that I will never forget. But my point being is I like beer bar girls. For the most part they are above average in looks, and once you get them undressed, the nice small tits, nice shaved pussies and asses that wouldn't quit. Why would you want to spend anywhere between 4-8000 baht. Don't make sense.
[QUOTE=Dittman]Why would you want to spend anywhere between 4-8000 baht. Don't make sense.[/QUOTE]
It makes sense if money really isn't an issue. I find it a much better experience to have a girl you can talk with in between sessions. Most long timers in Asia would agree, that the bar girl pigeon English conversations become tiresome relatively quickly.
So, if you aren't concerned with money, why not have a girl with a tight body and decent command of English?
[QUOTE=Dittman]... Its all relative and depending on what you are looking for.... Why would you want to spend anywhere between 4-8000 baht. Don't make sense.[/QUOTE]
Those lines kinda contradict themselves!!! Your first line is spot on though it really all depends upon what you are looking for. Be it a 500 baht short time session or an expensive one. As the girls often say, it is up to you.
[quote=dinghy]sa-moke is a bj (thai says it that way - "sa-moke" - 2 sylables)
swimming? beats me - [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord117][CodeWord117][/url], maybe?
bls - hmmm ... ball licking service?? prostrate massage??[/quote]swimming is banging fresh shrimp meat on a waterbed. actually the water is not required, and the shrimp can be left in the sun for 4 days, no more. neither is the bed an absolute requirement though standard procedure. for example, an air matress will suffice in areas that are not cat infested.
bls, according to abbreviations at the top of this page, is ball licking and sucking. brls would be the same thing for hungry infants.
[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]Pink Pearl reports "swimming, smoking, anal BLS massages" - could somebody be kind enough to translate these. Swimming ? ? ?
Agree with specialists. The Eden girls are good though, no shame in anything. Being sucked by one girl while another licks your butthole and balls is something everyone should do before they die.[/QUOTE]How about 3 or 4 girls simultaneously working on each organ? The fourth could be kissing your mouth.
Dare to dreams, boys. Dare to dream.
Swimming = Fucking
Smoking = Blow Job
BLS = Ball Licking Sucking
[QUOTE=Skeeter]Does anyone know what the setup is at the Grace. I walked through there the other day. There are plenty of girls sitting in the coffee shop, in pairs or on their own, looking out at the foyer.
It looks like a pick up place, but i wasn't sure how to proceed. Anyone tried their luck there recently?
Thanks[/QUOTE]This is a pick up place.
It is highly not recommended, unless you like to live dangerously or have a death wish.
[QUOTE=Hk Dog]It makes sense if money really isn't an issue. I find it a much better experience to have a girl you can talk with in between sessions. Most long timers in Asia would agree, that the bar girl pigeon English conversations become tiresome relatively quickly.
So, if you aren't concerned with money, why not have a girl with a tight body and decent command of English?[/QUOTE]
I agree. It is as much the time and total experience as the quality of face, tits ass etc. I said "as much". I think it is a matter of luck and your personal taste in BKK. One of the best I ever ran into was from Patpong (Safari Bar). Absolute stunner, studying for a college degree, good English. This is the kind of girl you give extra money just because.
Personally, I don't usually try to negotiate them down to the last 500 if I like her. Worth it to me in the end if you know what I mean.
But you can definitely improve your luck by going to a place like Giotto's and the environs. Cost is more but deinitely a cut above, on average.
A good friend will arrive in Bangkok at 7 am in the morning and he will have to go back to the airport in the afternoon.
Do you have an idea of a good place to find a girl at this strange time ?
For me the "meat market" opens after the lunch.
I've been to Nana a number of times. There are lots of katoeys there (especially in the back), and of course all around the area. Many of them make it obvious - like saying hello in a male voice. I can often tell the others. To the best of my knowledge, I have never taken a katoey (ladyboy).
I tried out a place in Nana I have always walked by - Lollipops. Ground floor, first place on the left. They are the ones that have a bunch of people lined up to get you to come in, including a girl and a dwarf at various times. I didn't even notice that they were part of that bar when I went in - I have walked by them so many times and gone somewhere else.
While having my usual drink there, I was quickly surrounded by two nice young girls who obviously like to work together. And of course I was watching the stage while talking to them.
There was one heartbreakingly beautiful lady on the corner of the stage, nearest the door. Pretty face, lightened reddish hair. I think she is #5 (I could have the number wrong!). But I never go for the best-looking lady in any place - because I usually get the worst service from the best-looking. Anyway, she was dancing about as sexy as you could want, showing tits, even a full crotch view.
I took one of the two I was sitting with back to my hotel. Later, having some food, she was talking about the honey - referred to this person as "him". What? I said. She said, oops, supposed to be secret. Him take 4 farangs in one evening all the time. Obviously a post-op, as I'm sure I saw no equipment in the crotch view.
On another night, #47 came to sit with me. Not a stunner, but I could have sworn that this was a woman. But in putting my arm around her, resting on upper legs and backside, I noticed that she was unusually firm there. Muscular. Now I've never dated a track star, but this one really had me wondering. I can't say I found out for sure.
If anyone's around BKK cares to check these out and comment on what they see, I'd like to hear from you.
BTW there's a separate thread discussing how to tell a woman from a Katoey. I plan to cross-post there.
[QUOTE=Poupard2000]A good friend will arrive in Bangkok at 7 am in the morning and he will have to go back to the airport in the afternoon. Do you have an idea of a good place to find a girl at this strange time ?.[/QUOTE] I walked down Soi Nana (a.k.a. Sukumvit Soi 4) one morning before 9AM, a couple of years ago. Passing by the Charming Bar (a ground-floor bar on the left, well past the Nana Entertainment mall), there were some girls in there. I still had to pay the same barfine, but she came back to my hotel for some morning sunshine.
I suspect that if you walk around the area, looking for girls in bars, coffeeshops, on the street, etc, sunshine can be found. Perhaps there are some massage places open in the morning, too.
[QUOTE=Steve Naive]
I took one of the two I was sitting with back to my hotel. Later, having some food, she was talking about the honey - referred to this person as "him". What? I said. She said, oops, supposed to be secret. Him take 4 farangs in one evening all the time. Obviously a post-op, as I'm sure I saw no equipment in the crotch view.
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Thai language has word "khao" meaning he/she/her/him. Its not gender specific.
Therefore some Thais when speaking English can use he or she interchangably regardless of the gender, even ones who normally speak English very well. So sometimes a Thai using the word "him" means nothing (although in this case apparently it did mean a gatoey).
Now its correct protocol to call a gatoey she/her.
Its impolite for us to use he/him, even if we have decided its really a him.
But of the forum we can call them anything we like.
Its safer at Soi Cowboy with very few gatoeys.
After reading the many write-ups about this BJ bar I decided to give it a try yesterday. In general I am wary of these type places. I generally do not like "quick in/out" services.
For those who do not know the location it is on Patpong II
along Silom Road (Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT). It is the smaller and quieter of the 2 Patpong sois with Patpong I being the famous night market soi with the numerous Go-Gos. As you enter the soi from Silom road you will walk past the grocery shop on the right and then you will see beer bars along both sides. Look for the sign of the bar on the right side.
The bar is not street front, it is just off the street along a parallel alley of sorts. There are many bars "nestled" here.
As I arrived there 10-12 ladies out front. Some watching and some eating. Of course when I walked up I got their attention fast! I glanced at the ladies and saw what appeard to be several cuties but decided to see what was inside. As I went inside a cute but slightly chubby girl named Pai follwed me in.
She was very playful and extremely affectionate! Soon she was all over me and giving my unit some attention!. At this point I wasnt sure if I wanted her or not. I like chubby at times but when in LOS I feel "obligated" to go for spinners. Anyways she was very jai dee and I could tell she would be extremely good. I ordered a beer and we chatted. Soon she offers to go to the bathroom for "sucking". I delcined with a plea of "jai yen yen". I told you before I like things to play out a while.
We begin to chat about the bar since it was my first time and have a few giggles. She is 30 and from Khon Kaen. She tells me that I am lovely and she wants to "suck you here" - pointing to her throat, as in deep throat. At this point I truly believe she will!
At this time of day the bar is being readied for the evning crowd. The ladies are cleaning everything and even the bar is being cleaned so I volunteer to move to one of the low sitting couches so that the girls can clean the bar area. So Pai and I go have a seat. Soon another girl walks by that catches my eye. Her name is Lek. Lek is more of the thin spinner type. Right away I want her. She has a twinkle in her eyes and a tightly filled out blouse and small tight bottom! So I invite her join Pai and I.
Pai tells her that I am "jai yen yen" at the moment..so basically I sit and have 2 beers with these girls and of course hands are everywhere....its quite fun and the build up of giggling and flirting with these two as well as having them massage my unit is what I like...ample flirting and foreplay!
After an hour I finally agree to go with both to the bathroom for what I already know will be very good. For those who do not know the set up, the bathroom is quite small. A sink, a small urinal and little else. But it does have a small padded stool that is used for comfort. You sit there and the girls get on the floor to service you. So we all get completely naked (a surprise to me) and our clothes are placed on a hook on the wall. This is quite comfortable!
Well these two go to work, sucking, ball licking, anal stimulation. While one sucks the other stands over me to allow some DATY. Then they switch etc. Both are talented and happy to be doing their job! This goes on for about twenty minutes and finally I let Lek have my load as she deep throats me while Pai is licking my scrotum....Pure Joy!
They both seemed so happy to please! Gosh LOS is wonderful! We all get dressed and go sit on the couch for another 40 minutes or so. It is a slow time and both really seemed to enjoy my company so we sit and fondle some more, giggle some more and in general just have a great time for all!
Before you know it I am at full attention again but a dinner commitment is pending and it it is nearly 7pm (2 hours!).
So I have to "check bin" and leave. But what a reat afternoon! Here was the damage:
BJ = 2 X 700 = 1400
3 beers 3 X 85 = 255
2 lady drinks 2 X 100 = 200
ttl = 1855 bath
tip = 2 X 200 = 400 which neither asked for nor expected
Grand total = 2255 or 70 USD - 2 hours of fun!
Bottom Line: This place was a total joy. It exceeded my expectations. All the girls seemed really sweet and warm. No one rushed me and overall for this type of bar I thought the selection was very good. Out of the 12-15 girls I'd say 10 were doable. My other comparison for BJ bars is AfterSkool and Toy bar on Soi Cowboy. These girls were better and the atmosphere was more calm and less pressure. There was no "mobbing" and multiple request to buy drinks for the entire staff. Not sure how it is at night, but for an afternoon of frolicking it was great!
Again, these are not Thai Super models or 18 yo Uni students but considering the venue and price I find it highly recommendable and worth a try.
Star Of Light
Patpong II
Hours Daily 9am - 1am
i and others have made general reference in the past to online dating sites as an alternative to the regular scene. when i was single (without a gf) i managed to rack up a slew of girls over the course of a couple of years. of the 60-70 i actually have had the time to meet, i'd say i've shagged about 50 or more and only because most of those remaining were either ugly, old or just too whacko.
while it is true that the majority of the girls on these sites are not p4p in the strictest sense, a fair number are looking for a sponsor or some form of support. their profiles often read something like, "i don't care about looks or how old you are, i just want someone with a good heart, to love me only and take care of me forever" - translation: "i want a farang sugar daddy who i will take care of (cook, clean, wash clothes and fuck to his heart's content) in exchange for money, gifts and a better life" - a fair trade, i suppose. in their minds, they are just following thai tradition where the man takes care of the woman and because most thai men are basically useless, irresponsible womanizers with no money, these girls think that farang are a better bet. they would all be shocked if someone ever lickened them to prostitutes. but, i would say from experience that the line between this and strict monetary exchange for services can sometimes be quite thin.
while i've generally hung up my online dating mantle, i still on rare occasion meet up with someone, if i think she's a "sure thing" and not going to take too much of my time (or hopefully cause me any trouble).
trouble is often what you get, though.
one recent one, who just by coincidence turned out to be an ex-student of mine from a few years ago, began as one of the most incredible fucks i've ever had and ended by being an absolute nut-job. she never wanted anything from me. although that could have changed, if i had seen her enough times. but, she quickly became obsessed with me, which she claimed actually began when she was my student in 2003. however, experience with these online girls will tell you that they all "fall in love" almost from the first time they meet you and many are just incredibly screwed up. she is the only tg who has ever un-nerved me. one night she went off the deep end because it seems i didn't quite share her obsession and didn't love her in the manner she wished (i had only met her twice, at this point). she threatened to come to my place with her brother, who she claimed was a cop and accuse me of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] her. her line went something like "i'm thai people. who are you? you are nothing. who will the police believe?" this understandably freaked me out. as i was heading out so as to avoid what i believed to be a real threat and impending confrontation with her brother, she phoned me laughing saying she was just "kidding"----hahaha. really funny. i stupidly saw her one more time (she is an amazing fuck, and quite cute, so i wasn't thinking intelligently) and she turned really nuts after that, accusing me of lying to her and various other irrational accusations and threatened to go to my gf and tell her everything. for the record, i told her from the beginning that i had a gf and was only looking for a gig, which she seemed to accept, at least initially. she has fortunately backed off and i have for once wisely resisted temptation to meet her again. i haven't seen her for about 6 weeks. she did chat with me for the first time a couple of days ago and was quite friendly (weird!!!) and ended the brief chat with what i thought was a funny statement, "hope you're ok and thanks for all the sex". freak!
i have another, who i meet on semi-regular basis who is very close to that thin line. while i don't always give her some money, i occasionally do because she says she's broke or what have you. there is no pretense here on my part. it is what it is - cash for services. we meet at a short-time hotel, she is totally aware that she is strictly a fuck-friend and she seems content with that. however, she too would be horrified if i ever thought of her as a hooker. she sees herself as my mia noi or gig. i suppose she's a cut above p4p, if for no other reason than she will fuck as many times as i want and will pretty much do anything i ask.
lastly, i recently met an or nurse from a hospital in bangna on one of these sites. i was almost rude to her because i didn't feel like chatting, making useless small talk or pretending to be a nice guy in order to shag her. so, i told her flat out that i was just looking for a quick fuck and that was all. i've never done that before because most of these girls complain that a lot of farang guys on these sites are rude and just ask them for sex right away. i always play it very conservatively which most of the time pays off, anyway. but, i just felt like going straight for the jugular and to my surprise, she agreed. this of course made me suspicious right away. but, i was intrigued. so, i told her to meet me at nana (might as well really go for the whole short-time hotel, sleazy, direct approach!). i arrived at nana and immediately got a call saying she couldn't come - not really a surprise as i thought it was a little too good to be true. these girls will often play stupid games like this with you - flirting and lots of sexual innuendo. so, i left figuring it had all been a poor attempt at a joke on her part. 30 minutes later she called, had changed her mind and was on her way. oh, gawd! another freak! - but hey, it was a "freebie", right? i took her to the hotel on soi 7, used by eden, where she proceeded to feign shock: "i thought you were going to take me to your condo." i had always told her we would go to a hotel. she played shy and coy with me which seemed absurd given where we were with all those cheesy mirrors and etched naked girls. i was in a hurry, so i just moved in and of course her rediculous pretense of innocence melted away. there was something suspiciously "bar-girl" about her demeanor, although she spoke no english at all. but, i saw her nurse id, not to mention she had her uniform with her. so, that part was at least legit. she was a crap fuck, though and not all that pleasant a person nor my type at all, either - came from buriram, my least favorite province (yecchhh!!). but, that's the chance you take. the kicker of course was as we were walking back to the bts (she was actually on her way to work when she met me) she said, "mai mee tang" (don't have money). "ah, the shoe has finally dropped", i thought. i ignored her pretending not to hear. but, she repeated it a couple of times (really annoying) until i finally asked, how much? "up to you". the only english she ever spoke to me (funny). so, i gave her 500 baht and she seemed quite pleased, so not a hardened pro, anyway. i found her really annoying and somewhat unpleasant, though and have decided not to repeat although she has called and tried to chat online a couple of times.
i might get some heat for this. but, i'm going to post a rather demure pic of her (eyes blurred, though). she sent this to me and the interesting thing about it is that she doesn't look nearly as good as she does in this pic, with her apparent smooth, tanned skin. although even in the pic, i thought she was rather ordinary, but still worth a shot. she was rather older looking despite being only 25 and had blotchy, quite dark skin - not my taste at all - although she had a nice body.
perhaps, later i'll write about some of my earlier success stories with online dating. i've had mainly good experiences with only a relatively few, but quite memorable horror shows. these were just a few to start with. btw, as i was typing this, i had a girl from phitsanolok, who i have never chatted with before start chatting with me. she will be passing through bkk tonight on her way to phuket to a new job and wanted to stay at my place until her morning flight - a definite one off. unfortunately the gf is here or i might have risked it. i'm sure it would have been another can of worms. but, i'm always intrigued and tempted by these types of "falling into your lap" situations. :d
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]But, I saw her nurse ID, not to mention she had her uniform with her. So, that part was at least legit. She was a crap fuck, though and not all that pleasant a person nor my type at all, either - came from Buriram, my least favorite province (yecchhh!!). But, that's the chance you take. The kicker of course was as we were walking back to the BTS (she was actually on her way to work when she met me) she said, "Mai mee tang" (don't have money). "Ah, the shoe has finally dropped", I thought. I ignored her pretending not to hear. But, she repeated it a couple of times (really annoying) until I finally asked, how much? "Up to you". The only English she ever spoke to me (funny). So, I gave her 500 baht and she seemed quite pleased, so not a hardened pro, anyway. I found her really annoying and somewhat unpleasant, though and have decided not to repeat although she has called and tried to chat online a couple of times.
I might get some heat for this. But, I'm going to post a rather demure pic of her (eyes blurred, though). She sent this to me and the interesting thing about it is that she doesn't look nearly as good as she does in this pic, with her apparent smooth, tanned skin. Although even in the pic, I thought she was rather ordinary, but still worth a shot. She was rather older looking despite being only 25 and had blotchy, quite dark skin - not my taste at all - although she had a nice body.
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So white girls from Buriram sounds a little difficult.
I know one medium skinned girl from Buriram who works in an Isaan kitchen who is a super fuck but only moderately nice looking unless well made up.
I always gave her some money because she is always struggling to support her mum's medical problems. She has a part time Thai sugar-daddy but doesn't like his attitude that he thinks he owns her, so she always prefers to meet me.
Another Buriram girl works at Giotto's Sports bar and is very easy to like with an incredibly honest personality. She even gave me a free night with BF only once (but after I had taken her 2-3 days already).
So most of my Buriram experiences have been good.
Had some real bad experiences with Korat girls on the other hand.
Probably just bad luck but that my least favourite area.
Interesting report, and sounds like fun. Having two girls to entertain you seems an excellent idea. However the thought of crouching on a stool next to a urinal does not excite me. Is it possible to take the girls out, back to your hotel for a couple of hours?
[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]After reading the many write-ups about this BJ bar I decided to give it a try yesterday. In general I am wary of these type places. I generally do not like "quick in/out" services.
For those who do not know the location it is on Patpong II
along Silom Road (Sala Daeng BTS or Silom MRT). It is the smaller and quieter of the 2 Patpong sois with Patpong I being the famous night market soi with the numerous Go-Gos. As you enter the soi from Silom road you will walk past the grocery shop on the right and then you will see beer bars along both sides. Look for the sign of the bar on the right side.
The bar is not street front, it is just off the street along a parallel alley of sorts. There are many bars "nestled" here.
As I arrived there 10-12 ladies out front. Some watching and some eating. Of course when I walked up I got their attention fast! I glanced at the ladies and saw what appeard to be several cuties but decided to see what was inside. As I went inside a cute but slightly chubby girl named Pai follwed me in.
She was very playful and extremely affectionate! Soon she was all over me and giving my unit some attention!. At this point I wasnt sure if I wanted her or not. I like chubby at times but when in LOS I feel "obligated" to go for spinners. Anyways she was very jai dee and I could tell she would be extremely good. I ordered a beer and we chatted. Soon she offers to go to the bathroom for "sucking". I delcined with a plea of "jai yen yen". I told you before I like things to play out a while.
We begin to chat about the bar since it was my first time and have a few giggles. She is 30 and from Khon Kaen. She tells me that I am lovely and she wants to "suck you here" - pointing to her throat, as in deep throat. At this point I truly believe she will!
At this time of day the bar is being readied for the evning crowd. The ladies are cleaning everything and even the bar is being cleaned so I volunteer to move to one of the low sitting couches so that the girls can clean the bar area. So Pai and I go have a seat. Soon another girl walks by that catches my eye. Her name is Lek. Lek is more of the thin spinner type. Right away I want her. She has a twinkle in her eyes and a tightly filled out blouse and small tight bottom! So I invite her join Pai and I.
Pai tells her that I am "jai yen yen" at the moment..so basically I sit and have 2 beers with these girls and of course hands are everywhere....its quite fun and the build up of giggling and flirting with these two as well as having them massage my unit is what I like...ample flirting and foreplay!
After an hour I finally agree to go with both to the bathroom for what I already know will be very good. For those who do not know the set up, the bathroom is quite small. A sink, a small urinal and little else. But it does have a small padded stool that is used for comfort. You sit there and the girls get on the floor to service you. So we all get completely naked (a surprise to me) and our clothes are placed on a hook on the wall. This is quite comfortable!
Well these two go to work, sucking, ball licking, anal stimulation. While one sucks the other stands over me to allow some DATY. Then they switch etc. Both are talented and happy to be doing their job! This goes on for about twenty minutes and finally I let Lek have my load as she deep throats me while Pai is licking my scrotum....Pure Joy!
They both seemed so happy to please! Gosh LOS is wonderful! We all get dressed and go sit on the couch for another 40 minutes or so. It is a slow time and both really seemed to enjoy my company so we sit and fondle some more, giggle some more and in general just have a great time for all!
Before you know it I am at full attention again but a dinner commitment is pending and it it is nearly 7pm (2 hours!).
So I have to "check bin" and leave. But what a reat afternoon! Here was the damage:
BJ = 2 X 700 = 1400
3 beers 3 X 85 = 255
2 lady drinks 2 X 100 = 200
ttl = 1855 bath
tip = 2 X 200 = 400 which neither asked for nor expected
Grand total = 2255 or 70 USD - 2 hours of fun!
Bottom Line: This place was a total joy. It exceeded my expectations. All the girls seemed really sweet and warm. No one rushed me and overall for this type of bar I thought the selection was very good. Out of the 12-15 girls I'd say 10 were doable. My other comparison for BJ bars is AfterSkool and Toy bar on Soi Cowboy. These girls were better and the atmosphere was more calm and less pressure. There was no "mobbing" and multiple request to buy drinks for the entire staff. Not sure how it is at night, but for an afternoon of frolicking it was great!
Again, these are not Thai Super models or 18 yo Uni students but considering the venue and price I find it highly recommendable and worth a try.
Star Of Light
Patpong II
Hours Daily 9am - 1am[/QUOTE]
OTH
Dated a girl on & off for about 5 years. Saw her maybe 2x a month. Yes great sex. I think reason I liked her was the fact she she got incredible wet. Truly incredible... it ran down her legs. After sex I could see clearly a wet patch through her jeans.
One day I told her that's it, its over. Wow, about 20-50 miss calls a night for about 6 months. Started terrorizing my office. Asked the police to talk to her. Made her even more angry. At times that one had me worried. Then from one day to the next it all stopped.
JB
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I and others have made general reference in the past to online dating sites as an alternative to the regular scene. When I was single (without a GF) I managed to rack up a slew of girls over the course of a couple of years. Of the 60-70 I actually have had the time to meet, I'd say I've shagged about 50 or more and only because most of those remaining were either ugly, old or just too whacko[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]She was very playful and extremely affectionate! Soon she was all over me and giving my unit some attention!. At this point I wasnt sure if I wanted her or not. I like chubby at times but when in LOS I feel "obligated" to go for spinners. Anyways she was very [b]jai dee[/b] and I could tell she would be extremely good.[/QUOTE]You say [b]SHE[/b] was very jai dee?
I thought "[i]jai dee[/i]" was pasa Thai for "fat wallet" - like when the lady says "I think you very jai dee" shortly before payment time.
Did I misunderstand? ;-)
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]One day I told her that's it, its over. Wow, about 20-50 miss calls a night for about 6 months. Started terrorizing my office. Asked the police to talk to her. Made her even more angry. At times that one had me worried. Then from one day to the next it all stopped.JB[/QUOTE]
This is fairly common. I've been stalked, I don't know how many times. Incessant phone-calls are a common tactic. If you actually answer, there's usually dead air and then a click. I've had them show up drunk, or emotionally out of control at my door, while another girlfriend was in residence. It makes for a nice "scene". I've never suffered physical violence, but one of my close friends was stabbed twice by an enraged ex. Thai girls can go completely nuts when they are rejected.
One of the more extreme situations happened to another friend, when his recently dumped ex showed up at the uni at which we were working and stood in the middle of the courtyard screaming his name, over and over again and sobbing like a wounded buffalo. It was so loud it drew hordes of students and teachers out of the classrooms.
It definitely is the down-side of relationships with Thai women, if you want to extricate yourself.
Looks like I made some typing errors, have just seen it, however, It was " money information " and the difference between 48. 58Thb/€ and 48. 78Thb/€ is of course 20Thb cents/€, only important that you get the message.
J. E.
Old Thai Hand, thank you for your edifying tale - it reminds us how wonderful are prostitutes. Men, the rules with women are 1) never let her know your real name, 2) never let her know where you live, and 3) never let her know anything about you. It is ok to exchange phone numbers but many cautious chaps keep two phones.
Also, keep in mind a few facts about women engaging in histrionics. These are always fake gentlemen. They are a strategy to control you, and not in fact the result of 'emotion'. Lastly, if you encounter a Thai woman attempting these tricks, leave - run. Never confront, and never interact, just leave if at all practical.
CM2 Update
A week ago I visited CM2. This time I made a point of visiting some high end places. This is a high end Disco. It is located in the basement of Novotel Hotel at Siam Square. Entrance 650 Baht. You get two drinks free.
I liked this one much better than Spasso. Mostly, because it is much more spacious. You can move around freely. Music is much better at Spasso, though.
Yes, there were quite a few Russians. I only liked one of them, who kind of staying close with her friends. I had no interest in taking out Russians in LOS. I have done that many times in other countries.
Finally, a beautiful Thai girl approached me. Closed the deal fast. This was my last night in LOS. I was in no mood for hard bargaining. 4000 Baht for long time. It was a shocker when she pulled me downstairs to the parking garage. The girl has her own car (a fairly new Toyota acquired during divorce settlement from a Japanese husband). Saved about 100 Baht.
It was one of the best GFE sessions I ever had in LOS. She delivered first rate. BBBJ was outstanding. She smelled and tasted great. Various positions were offered; I ended up coming in her mouth, face. A big chunk also ended up in her hair. Surprisingly, she took it like a trooper. We spent the rest of the night cuddling.
A great way to say goodbye to LOS.
Bandy
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Another Buriram girl works at Giotto's Sports bar[/QUOTE]
Shurely you mean... Livingstones Sports Bar?
(I hate to imagine how many newbies will pick up on this and start asking where this Giotto place is ;)
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Interesting report, and sounds like fun. Having two girls to entertain you seems an excellent idea. However the thought of crouching on a stool next to a urinal does not excite me. Is it possible to take the girls out, back to your hotel for a couple of hours?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely.....They both mentioned that. Not sure of the bar fine however. Probably easy to make dates either before or after work as well. Some go in at 9am and leave early etc.
[QUOTE=Steve Naive]You say [b]SHE[/b] was very jai dee?
I thought "[i]jai dee[/i]" was pasa Thai for "fat wallet" - like when the lady says "I think you very jai dee" shortly before payment time.
Did I misunderstand? ;-)[/QUOTE]
same same ;)
Thanks for the SOL report Mick, I am also quite a big fan of the place. I dont get to go that often though, but I have a couple of I guess you could call "regulars" that I tend to choose every time I do go. I normally go into the cubicle and lock the door when that option is available, although going at it out in the open would perhaps not faze me as much as it would have done in the past.
(Speaking of which, I have had a couple of Naughty Boy Corner experiences recently which I will post about soon) :)
I have had takeout from SOL a couple of times, just the one girl, and we have gone to a nearby ST place on PP1. I have a bit of a rapport with that particular girl so we both enjoy our sessions immensely. Your report has put me in the mood to give her a call now.
Finally, are you a recent convert to SOL girls Mick? The only reason I ask is due to something you posted quite recently. In your latest report you mentioned;
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]The girls soon understood that I like to use my mouth and tongue and didn't want to start the BJ immediately.
So I could be licking one girls clit while finger exploring the depths of a couple of other pussies concurrenly.
These girls were clean and tasted great by pussy or by mouth.
I could have two girls tongues.deep in my mouth tussling with my tongue at the same time. [/QUOTE]But quite recently you said this;
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Yes it is each to there own, very much so.
Although the mouth is the most germy part of the body, nothing gets me rock hard so quick as beautiful french kissing.
My tongue is one of my primary sex organs.
I have limits. I don't feel attracted to kiss the girls at the Star of Light for example. They need to be classy first.[/QUOTE]Hence I figured you werent a fan of the place before and have now seen the light (excuse the pun!), or perhaps your experiences before included a different lineup of women etc.
As for your comment before about freaking out the hygene brigade, I know a lot of people on here wouldnt dream of kissing or going down etc on women on the P4P scene, (to go back to a previous thread). But I think you will know when something is not right down there, either the taste or smell and you will act (or react) accordingly. I have a hard time getting into any session unless there is DFK or DATY, and my love for that particular act has evolved into a love for AR now as well. I just cannot imagine sex without those things.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]So I wandered into a bar in Soi Cowboy for a drink. It was late (12:30 AM) and not many girls were left.
The service girls were being required to take some turns to dance on the podium as well since not enough go-go girls left over.
A customer challenged the service staff to compete against each other for a prize. The 4 girls had to down a tequilla and then a full bottle of beer each. The one who finished first would be the winner. [/QUOTE]This could of course be a complete co-incidence Mick, but I was in Dollhouse last week sometime (I honestly cannot remember the night, but it was about that time and it was a few days before Halloween). There were a bunch of service girls dancing because there were very few dancers left, and a guy sitting by the side of the stage had a whole group of them around him and had bought them all drinks and they were playing some kind of game which involved the girls downing full bottles of beer. I only paid them brief attention, because I was distracted by someone on the stage, but I was wondering if it was possible that we were in fact in the same place at the same time. That would have been quite a coincidence I think?
Anyways, a great tale! These are the kinds of stories I always enjoy reading. I am going to report soon on a similar expereince I had at Heavens Above in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Some bar girls in Long Gun get 1000 Baht tips just for dancing sexy. So there is no way that they are going to go for the night cheaply.
The top dancer in Long Gun only goes with customers occasionally when she knows them well and really likes them and trusts that they are not stingy.
She doesn't go with younger guys normally as finds them too arrogant and aggressive.[/QUOTE]Yeah I have seen some jokers who jam 1000THB notes into girl's stockings and stuff. Those types of people are responsible for driving up the price and availability of the girls a lot more than the occasional guy who pays too much for ST for example. I guess they think they are still in Las Vegas or something.
Mick, with regards to "the top dancer" in Long Gun, who are you referring to specifically here, or is that just your opinion of who the top dancer is. I know there are 3 or 4 who I would consider the top group. But they tend to change from time to time. I went there recently and I didnt recognise half of them from the last time I went a few months before. There was one girl named Z-- who used to dance there for a long time but I havent seen her for a while. I always thought she was the best one, she had an amazing body which she ruined recently by having a tit-job. There is another girl there who is so beautiful she has no business working in a go-go bar. And do you know what the story is with that girl with the white hair? She seems very up with herself, at least thats the impression I get. I have never spoken to her but she looks like she could be a lot of fun if she dropped the attitude.
I would be curious to hear other people's opinions of the girls in Long Gun. I like to go in there, although I am not a regular I go in there often enough. I like to go in there to relax and enjoy the shows etc, but have never barfined from there, preferring not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in my own back yard to coin a phrase. There is very little pressure in that place, one of the reasons I keep going back.
[QUOTE=Steve Naive]I tried out a place in Nana I have always walked by - Lollipops. Ground floor, first place on the left.
There was one heartbreakingly beautiful lady on the corner of the stage, nearest the door. Pretty face, lightened reddish hair. I think she is #5 (I could have the number wrong!).[/QUOTE]Firstly Steve Naive, let me just tell you that Lollipop is full of Katoeys. When I say Katoeys, I mean post-ops. Only the Katoey bars will have pre-ops (ie chicks with dicks) but there a lot of Nana bars now that employ post op katoeys now (a very worrying trend), and Lollipop is the biggest offender of this. If you think there is any chance that a she used to be a he in Lollipop, then you are probably right...
As for the #5 you mentioned, I cant speak for her specifically, but I know there is a VERY popular post op katoey that works (or used to work) in Lollipop who according to myth/legend gets barfined 3-4 times per night. She drives to work every day in her own car which she parks near the Raja I believe, and apparently has had her "pussy" re-made 3 times already with the money she has made. She is a very rich young er... person.
[QUOTE=Rumpus]Some of the cuter girls seemed unavailable, those in Nurses outfits sitting outside I never saw inside dancing. Similarly, the really cute waitresses (plaid skirts rather than solid) seemed friendly but largely unavailable. [/QUOTE](I lost my original response to this, so apologies it appears twice)
I like Magic Tables, but others have also said before, it is not really a place where you can spend a lot of time. It is a good place to start out the evening for example. Because it is a small place with not a lot of girls, sometimes if you go there quite late you will be lucky to find only one or two girls dancing.
Rumpus, you will probably find that once you are more of a regular there (ie, after 2 or 3 visits), the previously unavailable waitresses and such will become more available. Now that you have had dinner with the owner as well (I heard he was also the owner of Eden?), I am sure this will add to the enthusiasm of your welcome. I assume that you have since returned and can confirm/deny this? Regarding the Nurse outfits, those girls work next door at The Ring Bar, not Magic Tables. Havent been there yet, so cant comment on their availability or not, but I would guess they are available :)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Now its correct protocol to call a gatoey she/her.
Its impolite for us to use he/him, even if we have decided its really a him.
But of the forum we can call them anything we like.
Its safer at Soi Cowboy with very few gatoeys.[/QUOTE]
A girl today gave me the decent advice (didn't verify if actually true) that if you're unsure, check their ID card it apparently lists gender. Though for post-op gatoeys, can they get a new ID card with the changed gender?
[QUOTE=Rumpus]A girl today gave me the decent advice (didn't verify if actually true) that if you're unsure, check their ID card it apparently lists gender. Though for post-op gatoeys, can they get a new ID card with the changed gender?[/QUOTE]
Well if I was unsure, I wouldn't be going with them anyway.
So I think its unlikely I will need to check an Id.
I suppose a guy could think it was a real pretty girl at first and then have doubts later. But if in doubt, cancel is best.
I was refering to talking about a gatoey as a third person, where they should be refered to as "she" (even though they ain't really).
Hi All,
I am 35 Yrs Asian male, coming to Bangkok on 25th Nov. for a week.
I have a reservation in Mandarin Oriental Hotel.
I would like to know is it a GF hotel?
i am interested in 2 girls of rating 8/10, budget no problem.
Anyone can suggest me or guide me?
KAM
[QUOTE=Mick Licker].
I was refering to talking about a gatoey as a third person, where they should be refered to as "she" (even though they ain't really).[/QUOTE]
Which is correct; he, she or it?
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Which is correct; he, she or it?[/QUOTE]
Well, if I accidentally ended up with one, I would say "Shit" (a cross between she and it).
A friend who has lived in Thailand a long time told me another way to tell if she is an it or he. Ask if she would like to go back to the room and play dummy. Dummy is a card game all the girls love. Guys never play it. If she doesn't know what you are talking about, check for balls!
We were in the club at the top of NEP that has the glass floor, so you can see the girls above who wear no undies. A good looking girl was sitting with him and to prove the point, he asked her about going back to play dummy. She did not know what it was, so he went for her crotch. She said, oh that was removed! It may sound crazy, but it works.
will be heading to los for a visit sometime in december. it's been about 3 yrs since i was there last. i have a few questions just to get myself updated on "things" in los.
1. last time i was there, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8 was 600 baht a 'blow'. what is the current price now?
as well, what is the price per 'blow' at star of light? (recent post stated 700 baht...please confirm)?
2. where along/around the nana and soi cowboy stretch of sukhumvit can one get "real generic" viagara and cialis?
i have yet to purchase any while in thailand in the past, so my worry/question is has anyone had a bad experience where he bought some "bad" pills? any pharmacy to stay away from?
3. what is the current going prices of the freelancers working along sukhumvit late in the evening, both st and lt? i don't want to be rip off or inflating the market price.
thanks in advance guys.
tonedog
[QUOTE=Gaolei]A friend who has lived in Thailand a long time told me another way to tell if she is an it or he. Ask if she would like to go back to the room and play dummy. Dummy is a card game all the girls love. Guys never play it. If she doesn't know what you are talking about, check for balls!
We were in the club at the top of NEP that has the glass floor, so you can see the girls above who wear no undies. A good looking girl was sitting with him and to prove the point, he asked her about going back to play dummy. She did not know what it was, so he went for her crotch. She said, oh that was removed! It may sound crazy, but it works.[/QUOTE]
Well there is a "recognising tranvestite thread" since this topic seems to have morphed.
BTW, I used to play "dummy" with Thai girls and was aware of Thai men who also played. As its a game of skill, the skilled players win and the bad ones lose all the time. So generally Thais who play badly prefer other ways of gambling where "luck" dominates.
My GF's brother is a Gatoey and plays dummy too.
[QUOTE=L A Guy]Mick, with regards to "the top dancer" in Long Gun, who are you referring to specifically here, or is that just your opinion of who the top dancer is. I know there are 3 or 4 who I would consider the top group. But they tend to change from time to time. I went there recently and I didnt recognise half of them from the last time I went a few months before. There was one girl named Z-- who used to dance there for a long time but I havent seen her for a while. I always thought she was the best one, she had an amazing body which she ruined recently by having a tit-job. There is another girl there who is so beautiful she has no business working in a go-go bar. And do you know what the story is with that girl with the white hair? She seems very up with herself, at least thats the impression I get. I have never spoken to her but she looks like she could be a lot of fun if she dropped the attitude.
I would be curious to hear other people's opinions of the girls in Long Gun. I like to go in there, although I am not a regular I go in there often enough. I like to go in there to relax and enjoy the shows etc, but have never barfined from there, preferring not to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in my own back yard to coin a phrase. There is very little pressure in that place, one of the reasons I keep going back.[/QUOTE]Yes i am also cusious what other people think of the dancers at LG. In my opinion, they have some of the hottest girls on the soi.
My vote for the "top dancer" at this time would certainly be Nan, the very white skinned Japanese-looking one who had curly hair before, but recently made it straight and it looks much better now. She is hot as hell, in my opinion, and an excellent performer as well. Unfortunetly (but expectedly) she seems to be alittle cold with customers she doesn't know. In addition, i hear that her rate is THB 3k ST, 5k LT.
I have taken a few girls from LG over time and almost all have been terrible in bed, even if they are lovely in the bar.
Still, i keep coming back to LG because of the fun atmosphere, good shows and nice girls. Great place to hang out and relax. I have had more overall fun in that place than any other go-go in Thailand.
after 2 weeks of mongering i have got a few things out of my system, and feel like i can hardly be bothered with much further mongering.
look forward to nice session with the gf later today.
yesterday i checked out beer garten on soi 7 briefly. one girl with huge tits interested me a little but too overweight. two others looked good but left promptly as though they had given up or perhaps were just hungry for food.
after that went to rama 9 mps. that will be subject of another report in the bk massge thread.
right now gf is at english class. so should i miss this opportunity for mongering? can't be bothered to go to star of light at patpong, so figure i might just have a look at "morning night" bar. its 10:00 am and morning night has no girls in sight (its supposed to be a morning bar too).
check out beer garten (soi 7). its open, i think, but no girls yet.
sabai sabai is nearby, but i don't want a massage.
now i am thinking a simple bj might suffice. my gf is good in bed and multi-orgasmic, but she doesn't have the stamina to do extended bjs. so why not outsource to a professional. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (soi 8) is just opening.
i have never been here before so won't be surprised if no-one is to my liking.
turns out that "dear" is the only one good looking enough. a friend calls out to her impolitely "ee haeng" (haeng normally means dry but in this case refers to being skinny). most of the other girls are fat.
dear didn't get any of her gear off. the bbbj was a little too quick and firm for me but after a little coaching she changed to my style and got her too tickle the balls as well.
she had very good stamina and showed no signs of weakness at all.
finally i got there so she it was certainly a professional job.
just 700 baht for bbbj here. its a lot better than having a wank.
in all my mongering for last 2 weeks, i have not yet encountered any girl who wanted to put a condom on before giving a bj. maybe its because i wash thoroughly and ensure that i smell nice.
i won't count the very inexperienced waitress who didn't give me any sort of blow-job or hand job but stayed the night with quite good sex.
the 2nd time i went to see her, she would only go for a meal. i wanted to take her to a short time hotel, but she refused that as it would seem like she was a p4p girl, even though i know she was short of money. she wanted me to be absolutely clear that she doesn't go with guys for money, but went with me once only because she liked me. that time, she was in the mood after plenty of tequilas, and perhaps something to do with being dumped by her boyfriend not long ago. she was getting a good self-esteem boost out of me.
i find it difficult to draw a line that separates p4p girls and normal girls in thailand unless the girl is rich and needs no money at all or unless she is just looking for a one off encounter. most lower class thai girls need money.
if you're not going until december, why not buy it from the internet before you go? i used to get mine regularly from one internet supplier, then received a batch that didn't work. no adverse effects, just no (minimal) effects. i know it is somewhat subjective, but the side effects (red face!) is very definite for me. remember once the gf thought i had a fever and should abstain. lol! switched to a different supplier, and first batch has been fine.
worthwhile checking a tablet in advance before you need it for real, to avoid embarassing failures!
[quote=tonedog]will be heading to los for a visit sometime in december. it's been about 3 yrs since i was there last. i have a few questions just to get myself updated on "things" in los.
1. last time i was there, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8 was 600 baht a 'blow'. what is the current price now?
as well, what is the price per 'blow' at star of light? (recent post stated 700 baht...please confirm)?
2. where along/around the nana and soi cowboy stretch of sukhumvit can one get "real generic" viagara and cialis?
i have yet to purchase any while in thailand in the past, so my worry/question is has anyone had a bad experience where he bought some "bad" pills? any pharmacy to stay away from?
3. what is the current going prices of the freelancers working along sukhumvit late in the evening, both st and lt? i don't want to be rip off or inflating the market price.
thanks in advance guys.
tonedog[/quote]
[QUOTE=Gaienmae]Shurely you mean... Livingstones Sports Bar?
(I hate to imagine how many newbies will pick up on this and start asking where this Giotto place is ;)[/QUOTE]Gaienmae,
LOL. Livingstone's Buriram girl(s) can be found at Livingstone's Lodge, Department "Sports Lounge", 7 Sukhumvit Soi 33, Wattana, Bangkok 10110.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]
[quote=tonedog]will be heading to los for a visit sometime in december. it's been about 3 yrs since i was there last. i have a few questions just to get myself updated on "things" in los.
1. last time i was there, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8 was 600 baht a 'blow'. what is the current price now?
[/quote]
700bht now, same price mick licker mentioned in a recent post. i didn't try to negotiate. girls are ok looking, but largely (for me) not fantasy material on two opportunities that i checked the place. but if you just need to take the edge off, it's a quick and reasonable way to go (no trying to go back to your hotel, showering, etc, etc).
[QUOTE=Tonedog]<cut>
2. Where along/around the Nana and Soi Cowboy stretch of Sukhumvit can one get "real generic" Viagara and Cialis?
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There is a Plaza of Korean Restaurants East of Sukhumwit Soi 10 but before Times Square building (at Asoke BTS station). Just east of that and west of Times Square there is an open square. A shop on the left sells generic Viagra and generic Cialis and even the original genuine article is available (but more expensive).
Why take Viagra, when Cialis lasts over 24 hours and is therefore good for several assignations? Why buy this stuff at home or over the internet when can get it easily here? There may be other places to get generics at at even better price but I am only aware the one mentioned in this area.
Others may be more expert on this topic. Not every pharmacy sells Viagra/Cialis and some do but try to rip off the customer.
The other questions were already answered by various posts if you do a search.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]There is a Plaza of Korean Restaurants East of Sukhumwit Soi 10 but before Times Square building (at Asoke BTS station). Just east of that and west of Times Square there is an open square. A shop on the left sells generic Viagra and generic Cialis and even the original genuine article is available (but more expensive).
...[/QUOTE]Generic Viagra: Penagra / Kamagra
Generic Cialis: Apcalis
The pharmacies to the left of Soi Nana have it. You walk down Soi 4 towards Sukhumvit. On the left hand side is a fuel station. Turn left, pass the fuel station and after 20 m you will find 2 pharmacies. They are selling the generic Viagra / Cialis.
Prices dropped dramatically in the last year. Penagra / Kamagra is THB 300 - 400 now (4 * 100 mg), Apcalis is THB 500 - 600 (4 * 20 mg).
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]<cut>
You walk down Soi 4 towards Sukhumvit...
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Starting from where? Directions a little confusing.
Why not start from Sukhumvit road at the Soi 4 corner?
Do you mean the Pharmacies are actually in Sukhumwit Road just west of Soi 4?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Starting from where? Directions a little confusing.
Why not start from Sukhumvit road at the Soi 4 corner?
Do you mean the Pharmacies are actually in Sukhumwit Road just west of Soi 4?[/QUOTE]Mick,
Confusing?
You walk down Soi 4 towards Sukhumvit Road and turn left at the corner. West? East? I have no idea.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Mick,
Confusing?
You walk down Soi 4 towards Sukhumvit Road and turn left at the corner. West? East? I have no idea.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I see you use English a little differently to me.
We would say "turn left INTO (or AT) SUKHUMVIT ROAD" in order to be clear.
This is the normal English pattern.
"towards Sukhumvit" is simply a statement of direction. You be be anywhere on Soi 4. "the corner" could be any corner with a petrol station.
Sorry to be so pendantic, but some dumbies, like me, can be totally befuddled real easily unless there is total precision.
I thought only ladies didn't know which way was East or West :-)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]...
Sorry to be so pendantic, but some dumbies, like me, can be totally befuddled real easily unless there is total precision.
...
[/QUOTE]Mick Licker,
As a "dumbie" - how do you even find Soi 4 ? Or a massage parlour in Rachtchadapisek Road? That surprises me :) ...
OK, you tell a texi driver to go to Soi Nana. Then you try to find the places where the girls are - but not those at the road (simple beer bars) - those socalled 'GoGo Bars'. You will find those bars in a backyard called "Nana Entertainment Plaza". The best thing for you is to ask the taxi driver to help you finding it.
Assumed that you find it you locate yourself directly below that sign "Nana Entertainment Plaza". That is btw. the entrance to NEP. Now you look towards the bar area. Then you turn around 180 degrees and you look at the Nana Parking Lot area. Open your eyes, and you might discover the Nana Hotel - THEN YOU ARE CLOSE TO YOUR TARGET ALREADY. Now turn 90 degress to the right - and you will see the bridge of the skytrain approx. 60 m away from you. Below that is a big street - let us call it "Sukhumvit'.
Now start using your legs, moving your body step by step towards that big 'Sukhmumvit' street. Before you step on that road and get killed by the traffic - stop! At this moment to stand at - what we call - the corner of Sukhumvit and Soi 4.
Turn left there, 90 degrees, cross the road (that is Soi 4), and you will discover a fuel station to your left. Walk along our 'Sukhumvit Road', but be careful, there is a lot of traffic.
After you passed the fuel station there are shophouses coming along the street. After 20 m there are two pharmacies.
Oh damned...
I forgot to tell you that you have to take your wallet if you want to buy something, now you have to go home, pick up your wallet and start from the beginning.
May be it is easier that I go there and buy some pills for you, and you come here to Livingstone's to pick them up :) !
Giotto
When Mick Licker takes a girl to the bed, I wonder, does she have to direct him to her tits, and pussy! Otherwise he might end up playing with her feet!
Giotto's directions were perfectly clear. Now if it were a Thai giving directions... that would be a different matter altogether!
[QUOTE=Bumholes1]When Mick Licker takes a girl to the bed, I wonder, does she have to direct him to her tits, and pussy! Otherwise he might end up playing with her feet!
Giotto's directions were perfectly clear. Now if it were a Thai giving directions... that would be a different matter altogether![/QUOTE]
All ridicule accepted. I wondered when a map of where the clit is was going to arrive, but I assure you most girls are happy I can it even for those girls that are miniscule in that area.
I have Irish ancestry (obvious with a name like Mick). Have you heard the old Irish joke:
Mick asks Paddy: "How do you get O' Reilly's Pub?"
Paddy replies: "Well you go down that road, turn (hesitation), um you turn (hesitation). Um, well I wouldn't be starting from here, if I were you, to be sure, to be sure."
map of clit?
what's a clit?
OK, no dumb ass comments from the peanut gallery.
ROFLMAO
[QUOTE=1Ball]map of clit?
what's a clit?
...[/QUOTE]Mr. VP,
The clit is close to the G-Spot. I can draw you a 'map' :) ...
Giotto
Being recently forced to visit Bangkok, I was pleasantly surprised - it was not swelteringly hot! Upcountry is now quite chilly, so the Capital is tolerable for the moment. I stayed over in Chinatown, but visited the touristic areas for old time's sake.
I visited Nana's parking lot around two AM, and was saddened to see only a very small number of girls, most of whom were not attractive. Cops were there to interfere with the action - perhaps that's why it was so limited.
I wandered across Sukhumvit and found a line of freelancers there, including one very cute one who said she was 19 but looked younger. 1,000 for short time was her price, so we went to the short time hotel. The majordomo tried to sell me a condom when I paid for the room (the little lady was in the shower), but I claimed 'mee' or have. Of course I didn't! I was surprised that she didn't complain much, just asked me to pull out. Alas, she was a starfish, but a very cute young one with an unburst seedpod (no kid). I managed to blow my load inside her.
Next day on my way out of town I stopped in at Star of Light. I had not been there for years, but used to be a regular, and recent mentions on this forum inspired me to go have a look. I had a nice BJ on the couch for 700(!), but took her into the toilet for bareback full service with creampie (1,000!!). Gentlemen let me tell you I do miss the little short time room they used to have back there, of which I have so many happy memories. The filthy cops made them remove it, and the result is I have been feeling a pulled muscle here and there the rest of the day. It is just damned difficult to pound away while on what amounts to a vinyl Ottoman.
So, I managed to escape Bangkok having only wasted the equivalent of $60 in our wastepaper currency, and without perspiring much at all. Nowadays, that's an acheivement. Resolution - next time visit Sanam Luang.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
including one very cute one who said she was 19 but looked younger. 1,000 for short time was her price, so we went to the short time hotel. The majordomo tried to sell me a condom when I paid for the room (the little lady was in the shower), but I claimed 'mee' or have. Of course I didn't! I was surprised that she didn't complain much, just asked me to pull out. Alas, she was a starfish, but a very cute young one with an unburst seedpod (no kid). I managed to blow my load inside her.
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Nice guy! Possibly infecting or impregnating a naive girl who is just trying to earn a few baht.
[QUOTE=1Ball]map of clit?
what's a clit?
ROFLMAO[/QUOTE]Australian version of the joke:
Q: How do I make sure I find the girl's clit?
A: Who cares?
:D
Hey guys.
Thanks for all the feedback on the BJ Bars and where to get the "enhancement pills".
I agree with Mick. I'm not gonna bother getting the "pills" online or here in Canada, as the costs are still higher over here. Plus, it's kinda inconvenient for me to receive any shipping here at home (if you know what I mean). It's just so much easier and cheaper just to walk down somewhere along Suk and buy some generic stuff at a fraction of the price. No fuss, no muss.
Also. I would prefer the Cialis stuff as it does give you "longer staying power", some 24 to 36 hrs, as told by the medical experts.
What I didn't expect was getting a good laugh at the various postings on giving direction to a friggin' pharmacy. I'm still laughing as I write this. Well done guys.
Someone just reported picking up a freelancer on Suk for ST at 1000 Baht. Though it's not considered over-priced, but when I was in BKK about 3 yrs ago, I was able to get a few ST's for around 600 to 800 Baht, and a couple of LT for 1000. I actually got 2 friends who were both working on Suk together to go with me for 1000 total.
I started out only intended to go for a 1-on-1, but you know how the Thai girls are when they are working alongside each other, they kept pushing me to take them both, and of course I kept saying I only wanted one. So they finally said "we give good price, you take 2", then I knew I had bargaining leverage.
Anyways, has anyone recently got ST with a Suk freelancer for less than 1000 baht? And has anyone had one for 1000 baht LT?
Just want to get an idea to what may be the norm for Suk freelancers these days.
Thanks.
Tonedog
[QUOTE=Mouse1]If you're not going until December, why not buy it from the internet before you go? I used to get mine regularly from one internet supplier, then received a batch that didn't work. No adverse effects, just no (minimal) effects. I know it is somewhat subjective, but the side effects (red face!) is very definite for me. Remember once the GF thought I had a fever and should abstain. Lol! Switched to a different supplier, and first batch has been fine.
Worthwhile checking a tablet in advance before you need it for real, to avoid embarassing failures![/QUOTE]This is my 1st post! I spent 5months in thailand straddling the last xmas period and definitley went on one hell of a learning journey with fair few of these creatures and their minds and started off feeling sorry for em, then hating em,then loving em again, but my opinion is now that you've just got to except 'em and never trust em fully. My favourite place is Bangkok and The Beergarden and Thermae even though the japs have moved in but hey those 'superstars' that love the japs are horrible people any way.Favourite go go is in nana down stairs r/h side,there's a no.2 upstairs above can't remember the name, the girls don't smile much and and they look expensive. Anyway back to my point ,wots all this talk of viagra doesn't every one use that 'KAMAGRA' gel its perfect take half at midday and half before you get down at night ,it stay in your body all the way till the morning so your permenantly ready and it just makes me feel horny its not just a mechanical thing. Any way that viagras too fierce and it feels like you've got your head in a vise, before you've got to the vice. A gel sachet is 100bt from most pharmacies and come in different flavours, for those who don't know.
Opebo
I don't know if it's merely your writing style, or the apparent (or perhaps real) disdain with which you treat the girls, but your report below hits an all-time low.
The pulled muscle counldn't happen to a nicer guy.
OTH
Opebo is simply out for recognition. However, if it is true that he puts his dick bareback into anything which moves, then we all should think twice about posting names of girls and MP's in this forum.
JB
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Opebo
I don't know if it's merely your writing style, or the apparent (or perhaps real) disdain with which you treat the girls, but your report below hits an all-time low.
The pulled muscle counldn't happen to a nicer guy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]OTH
Opebo is simply out for recognition. However, if it is true that he puts his dick bareback into anything which moves, then we all should think twice about posting names of girls and MP's in this forum.
JB[/QUOTE]
Blue Junglebird, you're living in dreamworld if you think I'm the only barebacker out there. I forgot to mention that the night I explored Nana-Sukhumvit for streetwalkers I overheard one old duffer asking a streetwalker if 'no condom ok?'. One hears that constantly around the kingdom. Many's the time I've heard the condom/no condom argument through the walls of PS Guesthouse.
Barebacking is one of the biggest reasons guys come to Southeast Asia - after all, how many would fly thousands of miles at great expense and inconvenience to blow their load in a plastic bag? They could've done that at home. No, they come here to inseminate real live girls, at semi-affordable prices.
And OTH - I don't disdain these girls any more or less than I disdain anyone else.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
Barebacking is one of the biggest reasons guys come to Southeast Asia - after all, how many would fly thousands of miles at great expense and inconvenience to blow their load in a plastic bag? They could've done that at home. No, they come here to inseminate real live girls, at semi-affordable prices.
And OTH - I don't disdain these girls any more or less than I disdain anyone else.[/QUOTE]I disagree I have gone no condom on about 3% of girls but I was pretty drunk and it was in my more naive days and the 3% never mentioned condoms. I soon bucked my ideas when I found out someone I knows wife who was playin away had HIV. Never again, well maybe. I take girls in Thailand because whether there truthful or not they are as feminine as they come and a joy to be around, not comparable to girls of the west. I doubt many people come solely to bully poor girls into unsafe sex, I'd be happy to get a BBBJ, and anyway I haven't had much no condom sex so don't last long without one. What summed it up for me and woke me up was when I saw a scrawl on one of the toilet cubicle doors in the beergarten, it read' any girl in here who does't make you use a condom is trying to kill you '
[QUOTE=Opebo]Blue Junglebird, you're living in dreamworld if you think I'm the only barebacker out there. I forgot to mention that the night I explored Nana-Sukhumvit for streetwalkers I overheard one old duffer asking a streetwalker if 'no condom ok?'. One hears that constantly around the kingdom. Many's the time I've heard the condom/no condom argument through the walls of PS Guesthouse.
Barebacking is one of the biggest reasons guys come to Southeast Asia - after all, how many would fly thousands of miles at great expense and inconvenience to blow their load in a plastic bag? They could've done that at home. No, they come here to inseminate real live girls, at semi-affordable prices.
And OTH - I don't disdain these girls any more or less than I disdain anyone else.[/QUOTE]
The crux of your argument would seem to be 'other people do it, so it must be OK'.
My mother (and everyone else's as far as I know) had a saying about friends and bridges which covered the idea.
Look, if you want to go wildly sticking your unsheathed knob in random women around the world, there is fuck all I, or anyone else can do to stop you. It is, when all is said and done, something you and the girl in question to negotiate - price and special conditions will be at the back of this document marked as schedule A. I'd happily rant and rail against it, but, others can do that at least as capably as I, so I'll leave them to it.
I would however draw your attention to my first point as seriously as I can (I said something like this in the PP-Cambo thread a week or to ago - I can't remember how eloquently I expressed it there, so, if you see it and that rambling is more coherant than this, please forget this one and remember that). Anyway, basing your morality around the behavior you observe in others is, I accept, to some extent inevitable. To use the actions of others to justify your behavior, and to emulate others without thought is, frankly ridiculous, and certainly beneath anyone I have ever met.
If you wanna say, to hell with it, I like bareback - I know there are moral issues with it, but I get so much pleasure from it, then do so. Life is about balance & choices - we all do immoral things to various degrees daily, and we all draw the line in different places. If you feel that way, then fine - take a stand, but don't try the it is OK because other people do it.
Conversely, if you don't find anything morally challenging in the whole 'extort economically disadvantaged girl into accepting your potentially diseased knob into her gestation gateway' (and that's my point of view - I don't expect it to be yours), then say so... once more, don't stand by and point to others saying - well he does it.
Rampant speculation for the next paragraph:
My impression is that as you said you don't have disdain for these girls. My feeling is that this is true because to do so would be to raise them to a level of respect beyond what you would be willing to grant them. Saying it out loud might make you feel like a bit of a ****, but, if your earlier logic of 'he does it so I can' really does somehow hold water with you, then, not to worry, there are plenty of guys out there who share that attitude.
At any rate, none of this is meant to antagonize, nor is it really meant to be directed quite so personally.... it just horrifies me when someone uses the behavior of others to justify their own actions. When you stop to think that the lowest common behavioral denominator will generally rule the day, you quickly realize that this mode of thinking leads pretty quickly to no standards of behavior whatsoever (which is almost certainly only as cool as it sounds in theory ;))
[QUOTE=Opebo]And OTH - I don't disdain these girls any more or less than I disdain anyone else.[/QUOTE]
It's good to know we're all in the same boat, then.
God gave the animals instincts and sex to reproduce. Bareback is natural and without it we wouldn't be here.
But he gave humans a brain to use it to be responsible. And those who don't use it take the risk not to get one in their next life.
Ok, just got to BKK yesterday and thought I don't generally have trouble "getting it up". I'd still like to try some viagra or cialis (if indeed it's fairly risk-free). I'm stayng near the Nana Complex and I understand where I can buy it.
However.
1. If I start with say 1/4 a pill. How long does it take to have effect?
2. What happens after it takes effect?
I guess I'm wondering the strategy. I mean, does one have a girl ready and then take it at say half hour ahead of time and then one jsut stays horny for hours. And the erection continues for hours?
What if you take it and then you have sex and then want to go out?
Does it stay hard for too long, etc?
Since I've not used it, I just am unaware of the general way it takes effect, etc.
Thanks, and sorry I sounds so ignorant about it, but I am. So just wondering if it just makes ya hornier and that's the deal or what?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Opebo
I don't know if it's merely your writing style, or the apparent (or perhaps real) disdain with which you treat the girls, but your report below hits an all-time low.
The pulled muscle counldn't happen to a nicer guy.[/QUOTE]
OTH, well said.
My reaction was that it only takes so many people pissing in the pool before nobody wants to get in it anymore... Enough said.
[QUOTE=Redfield10]
Thanks, and sorry I sounds so ignorant about it, but I am. So just wondering if it just makes ya hornier and that's the deal or what?[/QUOTE]
It increases potential blood-flow in a way to make it easier for your body to do your horny mind's desire, but isn't going to create desire, just enable it. Might make it easier to get it up for the girl who you don't actually find that attractive, or to get right into the action when you're tired, not turned-on, etc.
For details on how it works, etc, try googling for viagra or cialis and reading the manufacturer and/or public-health-site FAQs on the topic.
[QUOTE=Redfield10]Ok, just got to BKK yesterday and thought I don't generally have trouble "getting it up". I'd still like to try some viagra or cialis (if indeed it's fairly risk-free). I'm stayng near the Nana Complex and I understand where I can buy it.
However.
1. If I start with say 1/4 a pill. How long does it take to have effect?
2. What happens after it takes effect?
I guess I'm wondering the strategy. I mean, does one have a girl ready and then take it at say half hour ahead of time and then one jsut stays horny for hours. And the erection continues for hours?
What if you take it and then you have sex and then want to go out?
Does it stay hard for too long, etc?
Since I've not used it, I just am unaware of the general way it takes effect, etc.
Thanks, and sorry I sounds so ignorant about it, but I am. So just wondering if it just makes ya hornier and that's the deal or what?[/QUOTE]
If you walk to Sukhumvit from Soi 4, turn left, there is a large pharmacy just past BULLY'S PUB that sells both genuine and generic Viagra; the generic will be either Kamagra or Panagra. They have both pills and gel packs. They also have genuine and generic Ciallis. Their prices aren't the lowest in town but not too far off.
A quarter of a pill probably won't do much. A half a pill taken about 30 to 45 minutes before any "action" will usually enhance and prolong your erection, it will not make you more horny except that you will find yourself responding more physically to stimulation, such as when a girl gropes you in a bar. Heavy alcohol consumption or a large meal can diminish the effectiveness. The effect of half a pill will usually last somewhere around 6 to 8 hours, a full tablet about 12 to 14 depending on your body size and physical condition. Most users of Chialis report about a 30% to 50% longer effective period.
If you take a full tablet, sometimes an erection will continue even after you come but will eventually calm down. If you fail to score after taking it, you'll find yourself getting more spontanious woodies while you try to sleep.
It would probably be best for you to start with a half a pill.
Some people report severe headaches, flushing, inability to cum and other side effects. I personally have never experienced any.
A packet of 4 generic Viagra will be around B400.
[QUOTE=Opebo]The majordomo tried to sell me a condom when I paid for the room (the little lady was in the shower), but I claimed 'mee' or have. Of course I didn't! I was surprised that she didn't complain much, just asked me to pull out. Alas, she was a starfish, but a very cute young one with an unburst seedpod (no kid). I managed to blow my load inside her.
[/QUOTE]
n. A person with an ant****ial personality disorder, manifested in aggressive, perverted, criminal, or amoral behavior without empathy or remorse.
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Hey guys.
Thanks for all the feedback on the BJ Bars and where to get the "enhancement pills".
I agree with Mick. I'm not gonna bother getting the "pills" online or here in Canada, as the costs are still higher over here. Plus, it's kinda inconvenient for me to receive any shipping here at home (if you know what I mean). It's just so much easier and cheaper just to walk down somewhere along Suk and buy some generic stuff at a fraction of the price. No fuss, no muss.
Also. I would prefer the Cialis stuff as it does give you "longer staying power", some 24 to 36 hrs, as told by the medical experts.
What I didn't expect was getting a good laugh at the various postings on giving direction to a friggin' pharmacy. I'm still laughing as I write this. Well done guys.
Someone just reported picking up a freelancer on Suk for ST at 1000 Baht. Though it's not considered over-priced, but when I was in BKK about 3 yrs ago, I was able to get a few ST's for around 600 to 800 Baht, and a couple of LT for 1000. I actually got 2 friends who were both working on Suk together to go with me for 1000 total.
I started out only intended to go for a 1-on-1, but you know how the Thai girls are when they are working alongside each other, they kept pushing me to take them both, and of course I kept saying I only wanted one. So they finally said "we give good price, you take 2", then I knew I had bargaining leverage.
Anyways, has anyone recently got ST with a Suk freelancer for less than 1000 baht? And has anyone had one for 1000 baht LT?
Just want to get an idea to what may be the norm for Suk freelancers these days.
Thanks.
Tonedog[/QUOTE]Certainly, You can find plenty of FL for around 500 BHT ST If you are lucky, you might even get a good massage to go with it. I did have such an experience. It was during the daytime though.(the massage) As for the quality, you can get decent looking ones for that price. Especialy around Nana. I'm not sure about the 1000 for LT though.
I remember quite some time ago mention of a Soi Cowboy bar that had a decent rock band playing 70s 80s rock, and was mentioned to be one of Giotto's favourites, but no mention of the name of the bar. Have done a search of this website, but no luck.
Anyone have a recent update, and the name of the place (if the band is still there)?
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]I remember quite some time ago mention of a Soi Cowboy bar that had a decent rock band playing 70s 80s rock, and was mentioned to be one of Giotto's favourites, but no mention of the name of the bar. Have done a search of this website, but no luck.
Anyone have a recent update, and the name of the place (if the band is still there)?[/QUOTE]I'd be hard pressed to say one could call the bands decent in SC as one tends to go to that road to oggle the T&A more than listen to the music. I do recall enjoying good times at places like Country Road and 5 Star bars which had live rock bands and probably still do. They never seem to get out of the time warp they are stuck in these two bars.
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]What summed it up for me and woke me up was when I saw a scrawl on one of the toilet cubicle doors in the beergarten, it read' any girl in here who does't make you use a condom is trying to kill you '[/QUOTE]How about this.
"Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the mortality rate is one hundred percent. ". R. D. Laing
But, seriously, I have gone BB with my wife, but only during her period when she could not be impregnated. Even then I pulled out before cumming and she finished me off with a two hander. BTW, only with her and doing that have I ever screamed out loud when blasting off. Some thing to do with the prostrate and it being massaged, I think, whether with a butt plug inside or hand outside.
The only other time I purposely went BB was with a crack hooker in Vancouver because, at the time, I thought condoms spoiled the feeling. I scolded myself for being an idiot and was anxious thereafter for six months till STD tests came back negative. Though less so after I read that the chances of contracting HIV were less than getting run over crossing the street. Although the latter can be much more hazardous in LOS, with motorbikes running down the sidewalk and on the wrong side of the road beside cars where pedestrians often walk. Eyes in the back of the head would help.
Since that BB experience I have learned that using a condom can bring as much or more pleasure than without it. For example, by getting a warm up HJ, either TG or self induced. It may also help to put a drop or a few of lube at the head tip inside the cover, and to use certain types such as the ribbed, thin, or japanese kind that feels like it isn't there. Is that why they only last 2 minutes? LOL. The sensation would last longer if they didn't cum so fast, so that may be a knock against BB shrimp tapping. I know medical gloves for balls and bum massages feel just as good, with lube, as the bare hands, and are safer.
A number of times I've gone BB unintentionally, usually when the hat cums off and I am not aware of it. Now I check it more often during intercourse. And due to the risk it may be off when I cum, and the ensuing possibility of impregnation, I make it a point not to cum inside any woman, although accidents happen & I do not always live up to this rule. One time, recently, to my surprise, I even forgot to put the condom on before inserting the joy toy. Evidently mad cow has set in. Have to stop eating those Big Macs.
I don't know how often Opebo gets tested, or if he has ever been infected, but due to my lifestyle of active regular pooning I go to the clinic twice a year and have always kept a clean slate.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]I remember quite some time ago mention of a Soi Cowboy bar that had a decent rock band playing 70s 80s rock, and was mentioned to be one of Giotto's favourites, but no mention of the name of the bar. Have done a search of this website, but no luck.
Anyone have a recent update, and the name of the place (if the band is still there)?[/QUOTE]Pak Mike,
Its 'Five Star'. Still the same band playing there.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Tonedog]Anyways, has anyone recently got ST with a Suk freelancer for less than 1000 baht? And has anyone had one for 1000 baht LT?[/QUOTE]I got an offer of 2 hours for 1000, which to me is the same as an hourly rate of 500. Since I regularly give 1000 for one hour of service, it was a good deal.
Pak Mike, as you walk into cowboy from Soi 23, it is on the right side, nearly all the way to Asoke. Was there last week, and those guys rock.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Being recently forced to visit Bangkok, I was pleasantly surprised - it was not swelteringly hot! Upcountry is now quite chilly, so the Capital is tolerable for the moment. I stayed over in Chinatown, but visited the touristic areas for old time's sake.
I visited Nana's parking lot around two AM, and was saddened to see only a very small number of girls, most of whom were not attractive. Cops were there to interfere with the action - perhaps that's why it was so limited.[/QUOTE]It has been pleasantly cooler in BKK for a week or two now, and no rain to speak of during the same time.
Your car park experience was unusual since that is usually the most busy and busty time of the day, with NEP closing and many TGs flooding over to the hotel across the street.
I have been told the heat usually cum between 8 and 11 in the evenings. And my experience bears that out, with the tail at those hours being slim to none.
I wonder if ladies typicly asking for 1000 Baht has any connection to the 1000 Baht fine the police require, so that the TG does not have to go to the police station and or jail.
[QUOTE=Redfield10]Ok, just got to BKK yesterday and thought I don't generally have trouble "getting it up". I'd still like to try some viagra or cialis (if indeed it's fairly risk-free). I'm stayng near the Nana Complex and I understand where I can buy it.
However.
1. If I start with say 1/4 a pill. How long does it take to have effect?
2. What happens after it takes effect?
I guess I'm wondering the strategy. I mean, does one have a girl ready and then take it at say half hour ahead of time and then one jsut stays horny for hours. And the erection continues for hours?
What if you take it and then you have sex and then want to go out?
Does it stay hard for too long, etc?
Since I've not used it, I just am unaware of the general way it takes effect, etc.
Thanks, and sorry I sounds so ignorant about it, but I am. So just wondering if it just makes ya hornier and that's the deal or what?[/QUOTE]
There is a natural body hormone that allows you to get an erection. There is some other chemical that counteracts the first one to allow the erection to go down. I beieve that Viagra actually suspresses or delays the second chemical that would have been allowing the erection to subside, so that it stays up for longer than normal and perhaps stays harder than normal.
For guys that have erections O.K. already, they still get benefits from having more erection stamina. For guys whose erections always do your bidding, you don't need Viagra.
For those who would like to be able to fuck lots of partners, or lots of times, or for very long periods, then something taken may well assist.
Cialis effects last for well over 24 hours so has advantages over Viagra.
However I am led to believe that Viagra takes effect a little quicker, e.g. 30 mins or less, where Cialis may take as much as an hour to have full effect.
There are web sites with full details.
Countrary to what someone else wrote. you may find that 1/4 tablet has enough effect for you. Try it and see if you are totally happy with the result.
If not take a little bit more.
Different guys obviously need different amounts.
Taking the stuff has no effect unless you start thinking about something sexy. Then the effect may be astonishingly quick.
These pills are not guaranteed to counter-act the wilting effects of alcohol but may work for some.
Hi,
Does anyone had ever been at Pegasus Club or Pent or other and can give me more details about his experience?
Thank you very much,
Cocod
A (long) wile ago since I have been in Soi Coboy and would explore it a gain last week, up there Friday at 20. 30. My first shock was to see again a boy with a Elephant in the street, I have so seen many in BK before even in Soi 33 but I thought this was forbidden since a few years, really a shame to me.
After having a bit of walking paid a visit to Suzy Wong, yes maybe to early and no much guest inside, they all watching a important UK soccer game on TV’s at outside bars, I am having a beer and watching the scene what supposed to be the dancing? A certain moment two semi nude girls are having a discussion on the stage, pointing there fingers at each others face and chest, till one gave a knock on the other girls face and I thought this is gone be serious business, and yes, Girl Nr1 grab’s nr 2 full by the hair, nr 2 repeats with the same and they really pulling hard include beating and kicking on each other, a certain moment they let loose and nr 1 grabs the two chrome pillars L & R beside here, jumps up and punches here two high heels in the chest from nr 2, they keep on going that way and now you could see how Thai people care about each other, all other girls keep on moving on the music and smiling about what happen even nobody from the staff came between these two fighters, only a older mamasan was yelling to them (think to stop or to move on, not sure LOL) but that did not help, security guy’s or bartenders did not move at all till nr 2 rolled off the stage on the floor, now one bar guy came to help here up and when she was standing up from the ground in front of the stage, nr 1 placed again here two heels in here chest. It did not stop for another 20 minutes, I was not attracted by the dancers and did not see any real attractive girls except fighter nr 1 but I would not take the risk asking here to sit beside me as I would not be in the line of fire and I just left, advantage was, I had seen at least a "for free Las Vegas catch fight " and no fake this time.
I had another beer on the street and went to and Spice girls, very modern place, the best deal is going upstairs, a few stunner dancing on the left side on the glass floor fully naked, shaved pussy and guest could watch them from below trough the glass, I have seen there little skinny girls that look like 12.14 years old, not my cup of tee, I left again and back to Suzy W. For the 22. 15 lesbian show, it started only at 23. 00 after a few more Singha, They had some dancing girls with nice sexy costumes in the fluo light before the actual show started, the lesbian show was a lot of mechanical pussy licking in different positions and that was it, I have seen better shows than this in Pattaya years ago but it’s OK, wondered if they have " more action " shows late night.
On the street and ready for another drink when I noticed a place with some great old rock and oldie life music, I moved inside (not easy) and a bunch of guest in Halloween costumes and fake coloured hair are dancing with the girls on the stage, really something I like and deceded to stay, it was at " Five Star " in front of rawhide, these guy’s (+ girl) are making really great music, a certain moment I went upstairs to the toilet on second floor, a bit dark there, it’s a wide open area with on the right side some kind of big room, I walked inside there and guess what happen, it was changing room for the girls, some 10 young kids bud naked, WOW, I gave them a big Hello, and provided some a helping hand to fix the there bra and we had big fun together till they have to go back to the show, (forgot almost my toilet visit). I have been, hanging there a few hours till I had enough Singa’s and went back to my room alone, To much Singa at my age as a negative effect on my junior his performance, so sleep was needed.
John Euro
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I have been going to strip clubs all my life in every continents imaginable. I went to Bangkok nana plaza last week. I went through all the clubs. Some clubs are definitely TS and some clubs have girls that are very ordinary. There is one club there called Obsession and they have the best looking girls in the whole place. The manager is definitely TS. Therefore I carefully check all the girls' adam apples, their g strings and their voice. They all look genuinely femaly to me. The girls are 6-10's, mostly 9's. I have never been to a club like this with such high quality. They must have 60 girls going around. I spent 3 days there drinking. I thought heaven cannot be better than this. Unfortunately in the third day, my favorite girl cream made a mistake. Her voice sounded like a man when she talked to another girl. I then discovered the whole club is full of TS's. For 40 yrs of clubbing, they have fooled me big time. That girl/man Cream is a solid 10 in my eyes. This is too bad. If she is a girl, I would never leave that country. She is beyond gorgeous.
My advice to the fellow mongers, if the girls in the club are too gorgeous in Bangkok, they are all TS's. If you find girls in the clubs 5-8's, they are probably real girls. Anything better are TS's. I learned the hard way.
I had also went to Macau, Hong Kong, Cebu and Vancouver. I will post my reports there in the appropriate sections.
My ranking between US, Thailand, Macau, HK, Philippines, Canada will
be
1. Macau
2. Hong Kong
3. Thailand
4. Philippine
5. Canada
6. US
This may explain why the US$ is falling. No wonder people are rushing to get RMB.
[QUOTE=Acaryu]I have been going to strip clubs all my life in every continents imaginable. I went to Bangkok nana plaza last week. I went through all the clubs.[/quote]I know (correction, I thought I know) the Nana and other TS scenes in Asia quit well and know how to judge the real girls from the fake but now and then a mistake still happen like 2 weeks ago, I think it was also at Obsession, a real stunner 10/10 looking kid came off the stage after I paid here attention, really a girl to fell in love with and it was only when she was sitting beside me least 10 minutes and a bit of talking that I became suspicious, and yes I was wrong, bad luck, not just the body, even here voice was perfect, must admit, we never become faultless in this.
John Euro
Hi All,
I hope the youtube links donot violate the forum's policy. I am posting these in the interest of fellow hobbyists.
Been to LOS a number of times, done the soapies and the massage parlours, but this seems too much fun to have been missed out on
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQUErisbVSQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5o_TF9Uaf8[/url]
Which club is this? Please let me know.
[QUOTE=Khushi39]
Which club is this? Please let me know.[/QUOTE]This is Hollywood on Ratchada.
Hey Mick Licker, where do you get your Zithromax?
Want to get some before my maiden visit to LOS. I looked on the net and the generic Zithromax providers require prescription.
[QUOTE=John Euro]I know (correction, I thought I know) the Nana and other TS scenes in Asia quit well and know how to judge the real girls from the fake but now and then a mistake still happen like 2 weeks ago, I think it was also at Obsession, a real stunner 10/10 looking kid came off the stage after I paid here attention, really a girl to fell in love with and it was only when she was sitting beside me least 10 minutes and a bit of talking that I became suspicious, and yes I was wrong, bad luck, not just the body, even here voice was perfect, must admit, we never become faultless in this.
John Euro[/QUOTE]
But John, what is so unusual about a Katoey working in Obsession ---as far as I know it is a 100% Katoey bar. ?????????
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]But John, what is so unusual about a Katoey working in Obsession [/QUOTE]What I was trying to say is that , even when you know what’s going on at Nana plaza , knowing how to spot the difference between real one and a LB , knowing for yourself that in all these bars you move around between girls and katoeys , you sometimes get mislead by your hormones .This maybe because after a few drinks they all start looking good LOL.
J.E.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]But John, what is so unusual about a Katoey working in Obsession ---as far as I know it is a 100% Katoey bar. ?????????[/QUOTE]
And has been one for many, many years now!!!! It is hard not to pick up on this outside before you would go into the place. To each there own, but there are few more bars in Nana that are 100% katoey and this is one of them.
We each have a story about katoey, but I was in bar a year in Soi Cowboy and the guys sitting next to me, kept telling me how beautiful this new girl friend of 10 minutes was. I look at the girl, I look at him and told him that she was not a she and he said no way and barfine him. Couple of days later I saw him and he stated that I was correct and he was scared to death that night and could not get him out of the room. He found out while in bed and was reaching to find something wet and found something hard!!! I am sure more then one person has fell into this trap.
[QUOTE=JimHart69]And has been one for many, many years now!!!! It is hard not to pick up on this outside before you would go into the place. To each there own, but there are few more bars in Nana that are 100% katoey and this is one of them.
[/QUOTE]
Yes, the other bars to avoid (unless it is your thing) are -------
Casanova
Cascade
And the bar next to Rainbow 4, I believe it is called Temptations. ???
[QUOTE=Armj7]Hey Mick Licker, where do you get your Zithromax?
Want to get some before my maiden visit to LOS. I looked on the net and the generic Zithromax providers require prescription.[/QUOTE]
just buy it an any damn drugstore in Thailand. Hell, you can get Cipro without a prescription, but I don't recommend using the stuff without consulting a doctor.
[QUOTE=Cocod73]Hi,
Does anyone had ever been at Pegasus Club or Pent or other and can give me more details about his experience?
Thank you very much,
Cocod[/QUOTE]
Search the forum for Pegagus as there has been a lot written about it in the past. If you have any questions PM me.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Search the forum for Pegagus as there has been a lot written about it in the past. If you have any questions PM me.[/QUOTE]Dear Retired Army,
Unfortunaly I have non subscription yet and I can't private messaging you.
Can you please link me the post of Pegasus? I can't find it.
Thnks,
Cocod
[quote=jimmy red cab]but john, what is so unusual about a katoey working in obsession ---as far as i know it is a 100% katoey bar. ?????????[/quote]
absolutely 100%. there are so many giveaways. too much makeup, very few "girls" and very few guys. if you don't see many customers, your radar better go up right away. then look for all of the other signs. it should not take more than a peek in the bar and 5 seconds for the rest to register in your brain, for you to figure it out.
at2
[QUOTE=Cocod73]Hi,
Does anyone had ever been at Pegasus Club or Pent or other and can give me more details about his experience?
Thank you very much,
Cocod[/QUOTE]
Cocod,
Of the two, go to Pegasus if you want the sure thing and the Pent if you want the hottest girl. Both are pricey. Expect to pay at least 3,000 baht, for a short night, including drinks and company. At either club, you do not need to be a member. At Pegasus there is a bar fine. At the Pent, you need to get the girls number for a rendevous after the club closes. Expect to pay at least 3,000 baht for the girl. Some will ask for 5,000 baht.
Some of the girls are really hot at the Pent. Worth the visit. Pegasus is hit and miss like Soi 33.
AT2
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]OTH
Opebo is simply out for recognition. However, if it is true that he puts his dick bareback into anything which moves, then we all should think twice about posting names of girls and MP's in this forum.
JB[/QUOTE]
JB,
I agree. My guess is that he uses a condom all the time, and simply says he goes bareback, just to get a rise out of everyone. Really, if you enjoy bareback, there would be no real need to constantly announce it. It's an "I need attention" ploy, that kids use.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]...Really, if you enjoy bareback, there would be no real need to constantly announce it.[/QUOTE]
My only comment on this exchange is that there is a very good reason to specify bareback in reports - the simple reason that for mongers who seek bareback, the information is useful. I have many times chosen venues because of reports specifiying bareback within, and avoided venues where condomsex or even CBJs are reported to be the norm. Gentleman, I cannot control the reaction of prudes, but I can try to give useful information to my brother mongers.
I have gotten a "Z" Pack without prescription many times in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]What is that drug for? To stop HIV or something?[/QUOTE]
Stop HIV????? Gawd! there are some ignorant people on this board these days.
Ciprobay or Ciprofloxacin etc. and Zithromax are a high-potency anti-biotics.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Stop HIV????? Gawd! there are some ignorant people on this board these days.
Ciprobay or Ciprofloxacin etc. and Zithromax are a high-potency anti-biotics.[/QUOTE]I can't stop laughing. This kid is not ignorant OTH. He is 14 years old. 14 year olds makes such lame statements. See his comment on the photo thread. He thinks AIDS caused a small ass pimple. I bet he also thinks babies come from storks, and he's been a good boy this year so Santa is going to stuff his stocking with a real girl so he can stop jacking off to porn on the internet. LMAO!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Stop HIV????? Gawd! there are some ignorant people on this board these days.
Ciprobay or Ciprofloxacin etc. and Zithromax are a high-potency anti-biotics.[/QUOTE]
OTH,
Now if you can develop a drug serves as an anti-idiotic, you will have done mankind a great service.
AT2
[QUOTE=Pwap007]I can't stop laughing. This kid is not ignorant OTH. He is 14 years old. 14 year olds makes such lame statements. See his comment on the photo thread. He thinks AIDS caused a small ass pimple. I bet he also thinks babies come from storks, and he's been a good boy this year so Santa is going to stuff his stocking with a real girl so he can stop jacking off to porn on the internet. LMAO![/QUOTE]
Give the poor kid a break, he's from Canada...
Last week after having a few beers I was walking towards soi cowboy and passed by a couple of Thai chicks. One of them came forward and grabbed my crotch. I wasn't too alarmed and found her other hand in my back pocket. I just pushed her away and kept walking - she wasn't my type. A few seconds later I realized that she was trying to pick my pocket. I turned back and gave her a stare and kept moving on. Fortunately my wallet was in the front pocket.
On my way back I saw the same 2 girls hudled in a dark corning gigling and counting what appeared to be money. Looked like some poor sap fell for the trick.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Last week after having a few beers I was walking towards soi cowboy and passed by a couple of Thai chicks. One of them came forward and grabbed my crotch. I wasn't too alarmed and found her other hand in my back pocket. I just pushed her away and kept walking - she wasn't my type. A few seconds later I realized that she was trying to pick my pocket. I turned back and gave her a stare and kept moving on. Fortunately my wallet was in the front pocket.
On my way back I saw the same 2 girls hudled in a dark corning gigling and counting what appeared to be money. Looked like some poor sap fell for the trick.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure they were girls? This is a common ploy of Katoeys.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Last week after having a few beers I was walking towards soi cowboy and passed by a couple of Thai chicks. One of them came forward and grabbed my crotch. I wasn't too alarmed and found her other hand in my back pocket. I just pushed her away and kept walking - she wasn't my type. A few seconds later I realized that she was trying to pick my pocket. I turned back and gave her a stare and kept moving on. Fortunately my wallet was in the front pocket.
On my way back I saw the same 2 girls hudled in a dark corning gigling and counting what appeared to be money. Looked like some poor sap fell for the trick.[/QUOTE]
One lesson you have learnt is that never put your wallett in your back pocket.
Thanks for informing me. I have no idea what I can get in a thai drugstore. Now I do.
a quick rundown of venues tried out last week:
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (alley off soi 8): bj bar. girls sit outside in their schoolgirlish uniforms. bar inside lower level, action is done upstairs in curtained-off alcoves. a little mechanical and too quick for my taste, but good to get your rocks off quickly. i spun by 3 times to see who was outside, very little fantasy material but plenty of 5-6s. 700bht for bbbj, the one provider i tried here asked for a tip after an energetic but average performance. the girls seem to self-select which one will approach a new customer.
aviva's massage (alley off soi 8): massage parlor, up-to-full-service available from all providers. this got some bad reviews here but giotto wrote it up recently as much improved, so thought i'd try it. stopped by 3 times, you can pick from the girls in a small room (if you're western-tall you can peek in) or from a book of photos. the photos in the book include those on the website. several cute girls were repeatedly unavailable (busy, on holiday, not there yet, etc) but two girls i tried on different occasions were eager to please, gave a decent massage, and didn't seem to be watching the clock. fs is 1500bht. cheapest massage is 300bht for thai-style 1-hour. decent place to stop in off-hours or if you don't want to deal with getting somebody back to your hotel.
beirgarden (soi 7): i checked this out 3-5 times briefly at different times between 2 and 7pm. it was usually busy-to-full, lots of 4-5s. a few lookers, but not many. prices nice and cheap, took a girl for st for 1000bht. she was pleasant and cheerful (though once naked, her crude c-section scar didn't do much for me! but she was enthusiastic). good for off-hours or if you're staying nearby, but quality isn't what i look for.
food court near beirgarden (soi 7): despite a note i read that this might be a decent freelancer spot, nobody notable on several walkbys.
sposso's nightclub (hyatt erawan): thought i'd check out this upscale location that has gotten some discussion here as hit-or-miss for freelancers. great live cover band (club tunes but performed live, very impressive). swank looking place, mediocre service, expensive drinks (~300bht for a singha). a weeknight was packed with well-dressed cuties, some definitely looking to be picked up, or willing to be. chicks no more attractive (or less so) than other places, but dressed well and done up well. probably not the place for guys who have trouble approaching chicks back home, who don't like nightclubs, or are on a tight mongering-budget. i checked it out again on a weekend night and a very different crowd with fewer girls and less energy.
nana hotel carpark after hours (soi 4): as i mentioned in a previous post, i was unimpressed with the selection here, but the coffee shop seemed like a good place to hang out and watch the mongering action. a very small number of cuties after hours, but mostly slim pickings. i didn't check prices.
nana entertainment plaza (soi 4): i like the proximity of the go-gos here, but don't like that you can't tell what each one is like inside without actually going in. i tried rainbow on the advice of a recent post here and was pleased at the quality. a number of cuties on a weeknight. took a little hot number from isan, 600bht barfine.
landmark hotel lobby bar (near soi4 on sukhumvit): in my search for freelancers, i popped into this lounge around midnight on a friday night. it was empty except for couples. if anybody has had any luck around the landmark, let me know.
street scene (soi 5 - soi 11): the nightly market here is busy until at least 4am. i noticed below-average looking girls and katoeys available at many different times, but several times noticed cute girls (6-8s) standing around who looked available for p4p at odd times like 7pm on a saturday. i was occupied those times so didn't ask for pricing. worth keeping your eyes open on the way to/from the hotel, dinner, etc!
[quote=asiatraveler2]absolutely 100%. there are so many giveaways. too much makeup, very few "girls" and very few guys. if you don't see many customers, your radar better go up right away. then look for all of the other signs. it should not take more than a peek in the bar and 5 seconds for the rest to register in your brain, for you to figure it out.
at2[/quote]good tips. from my experience also look out for:
- tall girls (for thai standards)
- boots (hiding the big feet)
- scarf or other "clothing" around the neck (for obvious reasons)
- voice (also for thai/asian standards)
but all this may not help in all cases. sometimes they are really good actors and have undergone very good plastical surgery. so just be aware of the possibility and don´t feel too fooles if it takes a little longer to recognise - as long as you don´t have choosen "him" already.
typically the katoyes are also more aggressive or "seriously" enthusiastic in approaching farangs. sure also the real girls approach you...but i think it´s more than just my personal experience that girls seldom hang on you when you do not keep communicating with them while katoyes tend to get in direct contact.
but for a newby to los the difference can be real hard to judge.
Mate,
I think the below link should be HOLLYWOOD disco.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Khushi39]Hi All,
I hope the youtube links donot violate the forum's policy. I am posting these in the interest of fellow hobbyists.
Been to LOS a number of times, done the soapies and the massage parlours, but this seems too much fun to have been missed out on
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQUErisbVSQ[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5o_TF9Uaf8[/url]
Which club is this? Please let me know.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]I am not an idiot. I am not doing this for a hobby, but am in a serious search for a wife who is kind enough to let me do raw FS, release my load inside her, and let me impregnate her. I could then marry her, and bring her and my new child back to Canada. I just do not have the luxury of finding a real nice lady back home, so I have no choice but to go where I could find a wife.
To do this, it is a bit risky, and I need to be careful. I have tried 11 years trying to find a girl back in Canada with no luck, so I have chosen to take my last resort route. Does anyone know where I can get lucky?[/QUOTE]Penom Penh might be a good place to start.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]In Thailand, how much status would I get with women being a Farang?[/QUOTE]None. Try Cambodia.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]You know, if they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off, just take a 20 baht note, and stomp on the king's face in front of them. Tell them to stop idol worshipping their fucking emperor and to make a republic. Now that will wake them up for sure.[/QUOTE]
Yeah. Right.
"I woke them up", he thought from his hospital bed. Then, as he continued to awaken, he noticed that his wrist was handcuffed to the bed frame.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]You know, if they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off, just take a 20 baht note, and stomp on the king's face in front of them. Tell them to stop idol worshipping their fucking emperor and to make a republic. Now that will wake them up for sure.[/QUOTE]
Another developmentally-handicapped moron rears his ugly head on ISG.
Reading your posts, it's no wonder you haven't found a girl in 11 years of trying in Canada.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Another developmentally-handicapped moron rears his ugly head on ISG.
Reading your posts, it's no wonder you haven't found a girl in 11 years of trying in Canada.[/QUOTE]
See you during visiting hours at the BKK Hilton
Enjoy.........
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]You know, if they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off, just take a 20 baht note, and stomp on the king's face in front of them. Tell them to stop idol worshipping their fucking emperor and to make a republic. Now that will wake them up for sure.[/QUOTE]I would strongly suggest that you [b][u]NOT[/u][/b] do this.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Give the poor kid a break, he's from Canada...[/QUOTE]Fuck this kid. There is no excuse for disrespect even if you're Canadian. He's been pissing off senior members here with his stupid immature comments. No harm, no foul. But, he crossed the line with his last comment about desecrating the King. Jackson, banned this fool from the forum. He has contributed only stupidity. I thought he was 14 but 11 seems more like it.
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]You know, if they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off, just take a 20 baht note, and stomp on the king's face in front of them. Tell them to stop idol worshipping their fucking emperor and to make a republic. Now that will wake them up for sure.[/QUOTE]
Let me know when and where someone does this, especially a farang, I'd enjoy the show that would follow...
[QUOTE=Stephen Olson]You know, if they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] you off, just take a 20 baht note, and stomp on the king's face in front of them. Tell them to stop idol worshipping their fucking emperor and to make a republic. Now that will wake them up for sure.[/QUOTE]
My God, you are a freaking idiot.
Check out this guys posts in the China Forum. He is obviously not right!
Maybe it's just somebody (mmmmm, I wonder who. Dom.....? naah! couldn't be...) taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].
Otherwise, he really is quite frightening.
Just checked the China thread... from Stephen Olson in response to NIcFrenchy..
'You do realize, you can get AIDS doing this. I want to blow my load inside someone, but how safe is it, and how can I have them come to my youth hostel?'
eh???? some days I just love this forum.. so funny.
see [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2318[/url]
JB
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Maybe it's just somebody (mmmmm, I wonder who. Dom.....? naah! couldn't be...) taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].
Otherwise, he really is quite frightening.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Pwap007]Fuck this kid. There is no excuse for disrespect even if you're Canadian. He's been pissing off senior members here with his stupid immature comments. No harm, no foul. But, he crossed the line with his last comment about desecrating the King. Jackson, banned this fool from the forum. He has contributed only stupidity. I thought he was 14 but 11 seems more like it.[/QUOTE]I agree for more than 100% with this point of view.
Wrong guy , wrong attitude and definitely on the wrong forum.
J.E.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Maybe it's just somebody (mmmmm, I wonder who. Dom.....? naah! couldn't be...) taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url].
Otherwise, he really is quite frightening.[/QUOTE]
I went and read all of this guys posts. He is seriously demented. The King comment should really be deleted from the forum. This guy obviously has absolutely no knowledge of Thailand or he would never have put that into writing. The very existence of that comment being here puts this forum at risk with Thailand. You never know who in the government might read it and what their reaction to it might be.
Jackson, you really should delete that posting and all the quotes of it from the forum. It really has no place here and is not relevant to the purpose of this forum.
I removed my earlier posting with the quote from Stephen. This guy is an idiot!!! His last comment on the king was totally uncalled for!
If you did this in the street in Thailand and started to say negative things about the king, you would not be walking away. Because a crowd would kick the S%@t out of you. I would suggest you did not do this in Thailand, less you had a death wish! But maybe he has a death.
I would guess he has not spent any amount of time in Thailand, because he does not understand the Thai People respect for the King.
To each your own, but I would believe Stephen is a person that likes to hear his voice. It easy for a person to talk smart on the board, but is he the same in real life??? Posting like this is just a waste of space, have no value for anyone and should be removed.
This pinhead is obviously a wind up. That is why we have the ignore function.
Disrespecting the King of Thailand would be like spitting on an image of the Pope in front of Catholics in their church, only worse. Expect a reaction like you'ld get from badmouthing someone's mama.
I visited Thailand recently and checked out some places in Bangkok while I was there. A few surprising things I was not aware of before visiting.
- Many of the bars in Bangkok close down at 2 AM, some of the "entertainment clubs" like on Ratchadapisek Rd at 1 AM.
- The prices: Hotels in Bangkok are about the same as many cities I've been to in South America. However the service at high end hotels is amazing and the taxis are unbelievably inexpensive (less than 2 dolllars to get anywhere in the city). Girls ranged in price but you could have a girl all night for 2000 Baht if you bother to negotiate.
- The pollution is horrible, one of the worst I've ever experienced.
I found the street scene around Sukhumvit a rather sad spectacle that was not particularly enticing. The chaos of the streets with grasshoppers being cooked alongside other food, fake watches, DVDs and girls literally grabbing you as you walked by. The lady boys are also a disturbing site. The mongers around there are a rather strange lot as well. Mongers from literally everywhere, Africa, China, Middle east, and many Europeans. Very few Americans really. On the way to Ratchadapisek road, a Taxi took me to a club called Embassy without me asking and in there I saw a group of about 10 muslim men bidding and shouting on the women in a spectacle that was worth seeing even if the girls in there were pretty run down and the place was a dive.
I pulled a few girls from clubs in Nana plaza area like Rainbow. Bar fine was 600 Baht (about 20 USD) and for total night I gave her 3000 Baht (95 USD).
I dropped into several clubs on Ratchadapisek, I found a stunner from Chiang Mai who spoke no English at Amsterdam (formely known as Champs Elysee). She was 4,100 Baht and get this, they take credit cards! I charged it on my American Express (don't leave home without it). This was a really nice experience that lasted about 90 minutes. Next trip I hope to visit Chiang Mai and maybe Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Lennox]I visited Thailand recently and checked out some places in Bangkok while I was there. A few surprising things I was not aware of before visiting.
- Many of the bars in Bangkok close down at 2 AM, some of the "entertainment clubs" like on Ratchadapisek Rd at 1 AM.
- The prices: Hotels in Bangkok are about the same as many cities I've been to in South America. However the service at high end hotels is amazing and the taxis are unbelievably inexpensive (less than 2 dolllars to get anywhere in the city). Girls ranged in price but you could have a girl all night for 2000 Baht if you bother to negotiate.
- The pollution is horrible, one of the worst I've ever experienced.
I found the street scene around Sukhumvit a rather sad spectacle that was not particularly enticing. The chaos of the streets with grasshoppers being cooked alongside other food, fake watches, DVDs and girls literally grabbing you as you walked by. The lady boys are also a disturbing site. The mongers around there are a rather strange lot as well. Mongers from literally everywhere, Africa, China, Middle east, and many Europeans. Very few Americans really. On the way to Ratchadapisek road, a Taxi took me to a club called Embassy without me asking and in there I saw a group of about 10 muslim men bidding and shouting on the women in a spectacle that was worth seeing even if the girls in there were pretty run down and the place was a dive.
I pulled a few girls from clubs in Nana plaza area like Rainbow. Bar fine was 600 Baht (about 20 USD) and for total night I gave her 3000 Baht (95 USD).
I dropped into several clubs on Ratchadapisek, I found a stunner from Chiang Mai who spoke no English at Amsterdam (formely known as Champs Elysee). She was 4,100 Baht and get this, they take credit cards! I charged it on my American Express (don't leave home without it). This was a really nice experience that lasted about 90 minutes. Next trip I hope to visit Chiang Mai and maybe Pattaya.[/QUOTE]
Nice report. You have wetted my appetite for a bit more.
I wondered if you could be a bit more expansive about Embassy Club, since I have no idea what was going on there.
Also I would love to hear more about your Amsterdam experience. I was tempted by a reall looker model who was quoted at 5100 Baht, but I didn't stay and went to another club. Later I regretted not staying.
[QUOTE=Kiasi]Mate,
I think the below link should be HOLLYWOOD disco.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Any more info on this place?
The girls (hopefully they are girls) looks super hot.
Are they availible or only there for dancing?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Maybe it's just somebody (mmmmm, I wonder who. Dom.....? naah! couldn't be...) [/QUOTE]Nah, really couldn't be. Love him or hate him, Domino added grunt to this forum. He gave me a bit of crap while we were sparring, but I knew he had a salivating grin on his face while he was typing away in his pension room in Japan. He had an acid sense of humor, but his imitators are like Domino on valium.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Nah, really couldn't be. Love him or hate him, Domino added grunt to this forum. He gave me a bit of crap while we were sparring, but I knew he had a salivating grin on his face while he was typing away in his pension room in Japan. He had an acid sense of humor, but his imitators are like Domino on valium.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't actually serious. It's just good to raise the ghost of Domino, every so often to remind of us of the good old days when this board had some kick. Now it seems to be full of weenies who are so unsure of themselves that they need a whole thread just to figure out how to spot a katoey...pathetic.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I wasn't actually serious. It's just good to raise the ghost of Domino, every so often to remind of us of the good old days when this board had some kick. Now it seems to be full of weenies who are so unsure of themselves that they need a whole thread just to figure out how to spot a katoey...pathetic.[/QUOTE]
Having a thread "How to spot a katoey" is a very sensible idea indeed, Mr. Grumpy.
#1 For threads that don't interest you, you don't have to open them at all. Thats a plus until someone posts in the wrong thread.
#2 It is well known the newbies to Thailand do not know how beautiful Katoeys can be , end up being psychologically very disturbed when they find their partner has a dick after already indulging in other things.
#3 Some forum members are absolutely paranoid about katoeys to the extent that one member reported being disgusted by Soi Cowboy being full of katoeys when the truth is that there are very few katoeys in Soi Cowboy (compared to Nana Patong beach, etc.)
#4 Some forum members suggest ridiculous, IMHO, ways of recognising katoeys such as whether they know a certain card game, or how they smell.
So someone is needed to point out sensible katoey traits to watch for.
#5 Most of us can admit to incidents where we were quite slow to come up with the theory that we were probably looking at a katoey on the other side of the room, but still perhaps being unsure.
Is your day spoiled if you don't find something to look down on?
O.K. There will always be a mix forum members, and clearly many will not have anything to offer you, but thats life and can you expect more from a bunch of mongers?
Now your report on TLL was great, so keep up the informative stuff that newbies can learn from.
P.S.Sorry about my bad spelling. I always type too quickly.
[QUOTE=L A Guy]<cut>Hence I figured you werent a fan of the place before and have now seen the light (excuse the pun!), or perhaps your experiences before included a different lineup of women etc.
As for your comment before about freaking out the hygene brigade, I know a lot of people on here wouldnt dream of kissing or going down etc on women on the P4P scene, (to go back to a previous thread). But I think you will know when something is not right down there, either the taste or smell and you will act (or react) accordingly. I have a hard time getting into any session unless there is DFK or DATY, and my love for that particular act has evolved into a love for AR now as well. I just cannot imagine sex without those things.[/QUOTE]
L A Guy,
Sorry I somehow missed your posts at first. Not sure what went wrong.
Nic Frenchy's posts convinced me that certain fantasies could easily be experienced at SOL, and its handy it opened so early.
I thought I would prefer it to Eden as could spend time to suss out if I liked any girls first.
Mick
[QUOTE=L A Guy]This could of course be a complete co-incidence Mick, but I was in Dollhouse last week sometime (I honestly cannot remember the night, but it was about that time and it was a few days before Halloween). There were a bunch of service girls dancing because there were very few dancers left, and a guy sitting by the side of the stage had a whole group of them around him and had bought them all drinks and they were playing some kind of game which involved the girls downing full bottles of beer. I only paid them brief attention, because I was distracted by someone on the stage, but I was wondering if it was possible that we were in fact in the same place at the same time. That would have been quite a coincidence I think?
Anyways, a great tale! These are the kinds of stories I always enjoy reading. I am going to report soon on a similar expereince I had at Heavens Above in Pattaya.[/QUOTE]
Well yes its entirely possible we were both there at the same time, although that guy may well have that drinking competition every night.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Nice report. You have wetted my appetite for a bit more.
I wondered if you could be a bit more expansive about Embassy Club, since I have no idea what was going on there.
Also I would love to hear more about your Amsterdam experience. I was tempted by a reall looker model who was quoted at 5100 Baht, but I didn't stay and went to another club. Later I regretted not staying.[/QUOTE]
Embassy was someplace I would avoid, the mamasan quoted me 3000 baht and then as I walked out dropped the price to 1500. So if you do actually find a nice girl there you could probably get a great deal if you are willing to walk out. Only reason I mentioned it here was I was brought there involuntarily by a taxi trying to get his cut. Inside there was a crazy scene with all those guys shouting, pointing and bargaining with the mamasans like it was some kind of middle eastern bazaar.
Amsterdam was nice, it was kind of low key, the girls are there behind a spotlight right near where you sit at a table. Mostly Asian clientèle. You have a drink and decide while an English speaking mamasan will answer questions about the girls and explain the prices. The room itself was nice, with a big jacuzzi and lots of space. The price was a bit steep but I enjoyed the experience.
[QUOTE=L A Guy]<cut>
Mick, with regards to "the top dancer" in Long Gun, who are you referring to specifically here, or is that just your opinion of who the top dancer is. I know there are 3 or 4 who I would consider the top group. But they tend to change from time to time. I went there recently and I didnt recognise half of them from the last time I went a few months before. There was one girl named Z-- who used to dance there for a long time but I havent seen her for a while. I always thought she was the best one, she had an amazing body which she ruined recently by having a tit-job. There is another girl there who is so beautiful she has no business working in a go-go bar. And do you know what the story is with that girl with the white hair? She seems very up with herself, at least thats the impression I get. I have never spoken to her but she looks like she could be a lot of fun if she dropped the attitude.
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Well, L A Guy, having been to Long Gun quite a few times over the last year, it was clear to me that the complexly choreographed dance routines were confined to a particular dance pair, with one girl being slightly more skilled than the other. When one of these girls left Long Gun, the complex dance routines have disappeared, as only one girl left, named N..., has the required skill and dance experience for it. Her current dance partner isn't quite up to the same standard. So its not so obvious who is "best" right now.
Could have been Z... who left this pair, I don't know. The one who left was reasonably tall and had a good body and I can't recall anything about the fake tits. Do you remember their trench-coat, and bowler hat routine?
The "best" dancer is a skinny but sexy girl who rarely goes with customers.
She does drink a lot of tequillas though and these days is not so shy about nudity as she used to be, especially when slightly drunk.
The "white haired" girl does seem to be "up herself" somewhat.
Its not unusual to find bar-girls who have become quite "up themselves".
Not sure if they were always like that or if the bar has changed them.
I was challenged to a dart (magetic tip replaces point) throwing competition with her (the white haired one). The board target zones would Read "remove your top","remove your pants","remove your underpants", etc.
She hit the "remove pants" quickly, so I was down to my jocks. I missed the target completely a couple of times but enventually I hit "remove underpants" first. So thankfully for the bar, she had to get the knickers off.
She was quite pissed off about this despite normally getting her knickers off quite regularly on the stage. The top dancer, N..., would be too shy to play this game and risk having to get her knickers off. If I had to get my jocks off, no big problem, I would have flaunted it. Fortunately I have recently lost 7 kg, so my figure is not as bad as used to be. My GF doesn't even call me "Muu Uan" (fat piggy) any more.
I was more concerned about my wallet in my removed pants pocket with a lot of cash in it.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Having a thread "How to spot a katoey" is a very sensible idea indeed, Mr. Grumpy.
#1 For threads that don't interest you, you don't have to open them at all. Thats a plus until someone posts in the wrong thread.
#2 It is well known the newbies to Thailand do not know how beautiful Katoeys can be , end up being psychologically very disturbed when they find their partner has a dick after already indulging in other things.
#3 Some forum members are absolutely paranoid about katoeys to the extent that one member reported being disgusted by Soi Cowboy being full of katoeys when the truth is that there are very few katoeys in Soi Cowboy (compared to Nana Patong beach, etc.)
#4 Some forum members suggest ridiculous, IMHO, ways of recognising katoeys such as whether they know a certain card game, or how they smell.
So someone is needed to point out sensible katoey traits to watch for.
#5 Most of us can admit to incidents where we were quite slow to come up with the theory that we were probably looking at a katoey on the other side of the room, but still perhaps being unsure.
Is your day spoiled if you don't find something to look down on?
O.K. There will always be a mix forum members, and clearly many will not have anything to offer you, but thats life and can you expect more from a bunch of mongers?
Now your report on TLL was great, so keep up the informative stuff that newbies can learn from.
P.S.Sorry about my bad spelling. I always type too quickly.[/QUOTE]
Well, not really grumpy...I just find it a somewhat funny thread to have. Sometime ago I wrote what I (and quite a few others) thought was a fairly comprehensive way to spot katoeys - it's in the RODs...
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=432826&postcount=181[/url]
One very minor edit, I'd like to make to this post is that not all universities allow katoey to wear female uniforms. Seeing one in a male uniform is about as good identifier as any-LOL. At the uni where I teach part-time, katoey are allowed to wear female uniforms. But, it still doesn't hide the obvious. At the uni where I work full-time, they must register as male students and wear male uniforms. Over the years, I've had many katoeys in my classes. An odd thing is that I currently have a female student who is going through some gender-reassignment - quite unusual anywhere, even here.
Anyway, from the moment I stepped off the plane in January 1997 until now, I've never ever been fooled by katoeys. If you understand even the slightest bit about physiology, especially how the pelvis makes men and women walk differently (something that can't be altered with surgery or hormones), you don't need to look at their hands and feet, judge their height or look for an Adam's apple. Another dead give away is the sound of their voices (like they swallowed a kazoo) and how they speak Thai, which has a really faked feminity about it, is often exaggerated beyond belief and has nothing at all to do with how Thai women really speak. Lastly, their mannerisms are way off. Thai women are usually quite subtle and subdued in their behaviour. Katoeys are always loud and brash. It's quite simple, really.
Oh, Bangkok! After a lapse of one year I was in BKK last week. Things certainly has changed for the worse towards mongers point of view. First , the almighty dollar took a nosedive, then the girls are definitely changed from sweet little fucking things to business savvy executives.
The go go bar prices gave me a sticker shock. 600 B barfine is same. LT is now 3000 B. WOW! No more sweet talk over a lady drink. Girls immediately want to know whether you are going to barfine or are they wasting their time. One girl even rejected a lady drink I offered once she found out I am not her meal ticket for the night. Would have made her accountant very happy.
Some massage girls are complaining that the number of single visitors are less these days. I guess they all are in Cambodia!
Went to the famous beer garden. Guess what? Lt is same 3000 B. A year ago it was 1500 or less.
When did prices hike up to this stage almost comparable to New York?
I have decided. Next time I go to BKK I am definitely doing what the tourists do. Visit temples and PRAY!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Well, not really grumpy...I just find it a somewhat funny thread to have. Sometime ago I wrote what I (and quite a few others) thought was a fairly comprehensive way to spot katoeys - it's in the RODs...
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=432826&postcount=181[/url]
One very minor edit, I'd like to make to this post is that not all universities allow katoey to wear female uniforms. Seeing one in a male uniform is about as good identifier as any-LOL. At the uni where I teach part-time, katoey are allowed to wear female uniforms. But, it still doesn't hide the obvious. At the uni where I work full-time, they must register as male students and wear male uniforms. Over the years, I've had many katoeys in my classes. An odd thing is that I currently have a female student who is going through some gender-reassignment - quite unusual anywhere, even here.
Anyway, from the moment I stepped off the plane in January 1997 until now, I've never ever been fooled by katoeys. If you understand even the slightest bit about physiology, especially how the pelvis makes men and women walk differently (something that can't be altered with surgery or hormones), you don't need to look at their hands and feet, judge their height or look for an Adam's apple. Another dead give away is the sound of their voices (like they swallowed a kazoo) and how they speak Thai, which has a really faked feminity about it, is often exaggerated beyond belief and has nothing at all to do with how Thai women really speak. Lastly, their mannerisms are way off. Thai women are usually quite subtle and subdued in their behaviour. Katoeys are always loud and brash. It's quite simple, really.[/QUOTE]
Yes you have some useful points although of the several classifications of pelvis type, A, B, C etc. I seem to recall that there is one type that is found in both men and women.
I do agree that most Katoeys when trying to walk like a women, over exaggerate it so that it looks silly really. And most of their supposedly feminine traits are usually over-exaggerated. Not all guys are highly observant of these things.
But perhaps we should be in another thread ....
[QUOTE=Sammon]Oh, Bangkok! After a lapse of one year I was in BKK last week. Things certainly has changed for the worse towards mongers point of view. <cut>
WOW! No more sweet talk over a lady drink. Girls immediately want to know whether you are going to barfine or are they wasting their time. One girl even rejected a lady drink I offered once she found out I am not her meal ticket for the night. Would have made her accountant very happy.
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Fortunately, you are exaggerating some of these claims, or else I chose better bars and better girls to sit with than you.
I had more problems with girls requiring a lot of persuasion to go with me before the price was even discussed.
One girl doesn't go with customers for boom-boom, another had her young sister staying with her, another had her period, etc.
I don't recall if even one bar-girl recently asked me how much I would pay, before she went with me.
So look, bar girls vary tremendously.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
I don't recall if even one bar-girl recently asked me how much I would pay, before she went with me.
So look, bar girls vary tremendously.[/QUOTE]
I take it you do not frequent the popular Go-Go bars such as Rainbow 4, I think those girls will want to discuss finances before they leave the bar with you.
The days of girls in Bangkok saying "up to you" are confined to the history books.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]I take it you do not frequent the popular Go-Go bars such as Rainbow 4, I think those girls will want to discuss finances before they leave the bar with you.
The days of girls in Bangkok saying "up to you" are confined to the history books.[/QUOTE]
No I don't go to Nana Plaza any more.
But in Soi Cowboy it is by no means confined to the History books, even if it is not normal,
especially if girls know you to some extent, but even for first time girls in some cases. Perhaps I give a good impression when I am not stingy with buying a few lady drinks.
When I organised a 3 some with 2 bi-sexuals, both had been with me before, one many months ago. But price wasn't discussed this time (it may have been discussed the first time - I can't remember). They both were eager to try each other for the first time.
A girl from Long Gun went with me without discussing the price, but I had agreed to pay her bar fine from previous night as well as she had not turned up to work the previous night and would have been fined for that. Was her first night with me but had met me previously.
The girl who had never been with a customer before, certainly did not want to discuss money. She did not want to appear "buyable". It wasn't certain that I would get any sex, but I did.
When I did a take out of SOL girls price wasn't discussed but they obviously assumed I would pay at least the set price.
I have even been with girls from Nana car-park who were too shy to ask the price.
I am referring to Go Go bars. But anyway I always discuss the financial arrangement before I decide to take the girl unless I have been with her before. This is manly to avoid pouty face and unpleasant arguments the morning after. I am sure this has happened to many mongers. After a long night of drinking and sex the last thing you need is unpleasant exchanges in the morning which will spoil the whole day. But believe me I always pay little more than the agreed price depending on the performance ofcourse.
Well, the girl there should be ladies assume. Besides, you can ask the dancer to come to your table to drink with you by buying them ladies drink. But i don't think it's worthy as they will hop from table to table and the ladies drink isn't cheap.
For LT wise, I think maybe you can discuss with the ladies but i think the price will not be cheap.
Cheers..
[QUOTE=Timewaster]Any more info on this place?
The girls (hopefully they are girls) looks super hot.
Are they availible or only there for dancing?[/QUOTE]
Came across some photo's BKK girls a couple of years old.
[QUOTE=Sammon]Oh, Bangkok! After a lapse of one year I was in BKK last week. Things certainly has changed for the worse towards mongers point of view. First , the almighty dollar took a nosedive, then the girls are definitely changed from sweet little fucking things to business savvy executives.
The go go bar prices gave me a sticker shock. 600 B barfine is same. LT is now 3000 B. WOW! No more sweet talk over a lady drink. Girls immediately want to know whether you are going to barfine or are they wasting their time. One girl even rejected a lady drink I offered once she found out I am not her meal ticket for the night. Would have made her accountant very happy.
Some massage girls are complaining that the number of single visitors are less these days. I guess they all are in Cambodia!
Went to the famous beer garden. Guess what? Lt is same 3000 B. A year ago it was 1500 or less.
When did prices hike up to this stage almost comparable to New York?
I have decided. Next time I go to BKK I am definitely doing what the tourists do. Visit temples and PRAY![/QUOTE]Thats strange, because I was BKK a 3 weeks ago and get a few girls from beer garden for 1500LT, also few girls from Soi Cowboy 1800-2000LT + 600 barfine
[QUOTE=Noman2]Thats strange, because I was BKK a 3 weeks ago and get a few girls from beer garden for 1500LT, also few girls from Soi Cowboy 1800-2000LT + 600 barfine[/QUOTE]
1500 LT seems more realistic for a Beergarden girl, 3000 is totally over the top, you could get a Nana Plaza Go-Go girl for 3000 LT.
In the last 12 month, but especially in the last 6 months the requested costs of the girls have been going up fast! What is the real current or requested rates? Bar fines in the last 3 years have almost double and now the girls are doing the same with there rates.
A few years ago, I would Bar Fine a girl and more then half of them would answer the following question, "How much do you want for LT or ST?" with "It is up to you".
Today, you go in the Bar and there is less and less chit-chat talk with the girl over a drink or 2. Some of girls will sits down and don't even ask for a drink, they sit down and ask what your name, will you BF me within a few minute? Plus, quote a price right away!
In Bars like the Rainbows in Nana, you sit down order a drink, once you have a drink, one of Mamasans will come by and ask you which girl you want, instead of the girl coming over the sit down and talk, the Mamasan is asking you for the BF, before the girl sits down with you.
I think the real cause of the cost increases are coming from the Asian tourist coming to the western areas of Bangkok. 3 to 4 years ago, Asian tourist would be in different areas of town and you saw very few of them at Nana and Soi Cowboy. Today, more then of half of the people in these areas are Asian Tourist. The Asian Monger prefers finding a girl in these types of places, pay the money and get back to the hotel.
They also more free with the money and do not question the amounts being charge, becuase they think it is so cheap. They are always paying $1000 or $2000 a night at KTV in there home country. It does not take the girls long to figure this out, that the Asian have more money, they hand it over easier and it is easy work for them. The Asian guy will get his nut off and then go to sleep, plus the size difference.
The bars keep rising there BF, because they are selling less Girl Drinks too, with less and less girls wanting to sit in the bars drinking and more of them wanting to get BF and collect the ST fees from the guys and then returning to the bar.
I have been to some of the Korean Bars in Bangkok with Korean friends and they pay BF of 1500 Baht, the girls were getting 3000 to 4000 baht for ST and getting 5000 to 7000 baht for a LT and this was a few years ago. So the Asian guys do not even question on pay the higher BF and 3000 baht for a ST.
I think this is the cost difference with BF and the girl charges.
The other thing you didn’t see a few years ago, the girl that returns to the bar after a ST will get back into there dancing clothes and start dancing again to be BF again and do the cycle again.
In past, they would come back to the bar in Street Clothes and hang out to proudly show that she was BF to her Friends and talk the night away and not work. This way the girls that were not fined had a better chase of being BF that night. Today, they are back and ready to be BF multiple times a night to get the BF count up for the month and also to get another ST or LT fee that night again.
It is starting to change in Thailand, and the change is starting too come to fast! I hope it starts slowing down!
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]1500 LT seems more realistic for a Beergarden girl, 3000 is totally over the top, you could get a Nana Plaza Go-Go girl for 3000 LT.[/QUOTE]I got back from BKK on November 12 and I confirm the above mentioned prices.
Of course we are talking for girls in the scale of 8/10 and more.
I have the opportunity to make a stop in Bangkok.
When I try to find budget hotels in BK I never find less than 700 B.
In Pathaya I find hotels to 400 B easy.
I dont use the hotel much and I dont like to spend more than nesseserry.
But the place have to be ok!
Someone like me around and with some information where to go?
[QUOTE=JimHart69]In the last 12 month, but especially in the last 6 months the requested costs of the girls have been going up fast! What is the real current or requested rates? Bar fines in the last 3 years have almost double and now the girls are doing the same with there rates.
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[/QUOTE]JimHart69,
I cannot confirm that. The bar fines are at THB 600 in Soi Nana and Soi Cowboy, since approx. 3 years. Some bars try THB 700 at the moment - but that is a new development, I just heard about it last week.
The girls still go ST for THB 1,500 and LT for THB 2,000. Of course the girls prices are slightly higher in the high season, based on the higher demand, same as all the years before.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Dick1]I have the opportunity to make a stop in Bangkok.
When I try to find budget hotels in BK I never find less than 700 B.
In Pathaya I find hotels to 400 B easy.
...[/QUOTE]Dick1,
Try the Khaosan Road area. You find some reasonably priced guesthouses there.
Giotto
Hey to all!
I just recently visited Bangkok, albeit with my missus, but nevertheless was a fun trip.
Couple of things though. The thai's seem intent on milking the tourists for as much as they can whenever they can? I don't mean this in an offensive manner but I spent the most on my first day with my daily spendings going lower and lower progressively everyday as we started to learn more about the city.
We firstly got knocked off by a tuk tuk driver who charged us 100 baht and took us to an alley somewhere near the Patpong market. We asked to be taken initially from State Tower (Sirocco) to Patpong night market but he detoured there as my wife was quite intent on checking out a "ping pong show".
Took us down a dark alley and into a small shady looking place. A gangster-ish looking guy demanded 700baht per person as admission fee. We thought that must've been a knock-off so we walked away. In the end we decided to pay 500baht per person which I later found out was still a knock off. Was a seedy little bar and they gave you 2 little pathetic glasses of beer. Or rather majority water and some beer.
After 15 minutes of watching a not so attractive lady going at it with a ping pong ball, we got tired of it and decided now to finally head to the Patpong night market. When we got there, lo and behold. 100 baht for a beer to watch these damn shows, no cover charge. We paid 5 times as much but nevermind. Holiday spirit.
Anyhow, I've heard (and read) that Bangkok can be a man heaven and caters to the different needs and requirements of different people so I was thinking of making another trip back, sans the wife of course, somewhere in the near future and probably cram in some work as well while I'm there so I was just looking to ask for some general advice. I hope that any readers will forgive me if I ask something already covered here as I tried the search function but I didn't really find what I wanted with the threads being so deep in.
I've heard of places like Soi Cowboy which I passed by on the way to my hotel on Wireless Road and I saw some go-go bars at the Patpong night market.
What is at Soi Cowboy? From what I came to understand, there are bars with alot of girls inside. Sex with these girls isn't a guarantee but rather you negotiate and the girls there are not that attractive?
What is Bar Fine?
Would the places here on Soi Cowboy be similar to the places at Patpong?
I also managed to check out the RCA at Ratchada. Much younger crowd with nice plush clubs like Route66 and Slim/Flix. Firstly, sorry that I forgot to mention, but I'm a 26yr old Malaysian Chinese male, average looking.
With places like these, where the crowd are mostly young party goers, what are the chances of scoring there? And would it be for monetary purposes as well or the girls are looking for a one night stand with the tourist?
As I can usually only get away for 2 nights or so AT MOST, I want to make sure that I know where I'm going and its guaranteed there instead of trying out dead-ends as I don't ahve much time.
I would be more interested in a looker somewhere along 8 or 9/10. Where can I find girls of this quality for a long term overnighter back at the hotel? What does it cost and is sex guaranteed or do you also go there try your luck? Is there any set rules or places to go to to know these things like an online guide? Preferably girls around the younger 20's as thats where I am as well.
Although this isn't related to mongering as this place didn't offer me extra services, but while my wife was shopping at Siam Paragon, I headed down to Soi 6 and I found "Chang's massage parlour and reflexology".
As I had visited what pra khaeow and what arun and a myriad of other temples that day, my feet and body were aching so I opted for a thai oil massage. Alot of flexing and turning during the 2 hrs with the built in shower in the enclosed rooms upstairs. I suppose there would be hanky-panky should you ask for it or initiate but the lady didn't initiate and I wouldn't be interested either due to the fatigue.
All in all the massage was very good and I definitely would look to get a massage there again if I was ever in Bangkok again.
Cost me 500baht which I have come to learn might be quite steep but heck, was a steep learning curve for me the first day in Thailand.
Anyhow, thanks to everyone in advance who will take the time to answer my questions and I look forward to my next trip there and hopefully I can come back home with some material to share as well!
Thanks once again
Regards,
Kenneth
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[QUOTE=Kenster]
The thai's seem intent on milking the tourists for as much as they can whenever they can? [/QUOTE]
Welcome to Thailand or anywhere else tourists flock.
[QUOTE=Kenster]I would be more interested in a looker somewhere along 8 or 9/10. Where can I find girls of this quality for a long term overnighter back at the hotel? What does it cost and is sex guaranteed or do you also go there try your luck? Is there any set rules or places to go to to know these things like an online guide? Preferably girls around the younger 20's as thats where I am as well.
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I say you have to go to one of the member clubs such as Pegagus and ask for one of the models. Figure about 4-5K THB. She may be closer to 30 than 20 in age, but she will look closer to 20 than 30. Good for you so that when you drop your pants she will know what to do.
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And exactly why is this worthy of a report of distinction; just because he is new to the forum with no postings?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Well, not really grumpy...I just find it a somewhat funny thread to have. Sometime ago I wrote what I (and quite a few others) thought was a fairly comprehensive way to spot katoeys - it's in the RODs.
It's quite simple, really.[/QUOTE]To OTH and in addition to Mick L. his quoted port
I agree with that point of view but I will post this week another true experience on spotting LT or LB in the relevant section “ Identifying Transv. “
John Euro
[QUOTE=Retired Army]And exactly why is this worthy of a report of distinction; just because he is new to the forum with no postings?[/QUOTE]With all due respect, and realizing I am a newbie, it would seem that RODs are based on the moderator's opinion. One of my very first posts received an ROD suggestion, and I gladly posted in the ROD thread. The ROD instruction page states repeatedly that this is truly subjective and not a reward to the author.
While I agree that several reports that receive an ROD suggestion are not necessarily the most helpful or even best written, I personally try to follow ROD rule number 7.
7. If you don't like a report that has an ROD Link, just let it go.
However, in the words of the great Penn Jillette, I could be wrong.
From the late 90's until 2003, in most of the Bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy the BF where 400 THB during the off season (500 THB at the bigger bars during High Season) and the girls were 1000THB for ST and 1500THB for LT. Once some of the bars get 700THB for BF, they all will be on band wagon by the end of this High Season and it will not go down. The same thing is happen with girls on their prices.
The bottom line is that the prices are going up faster today then they have in the past. I put some of the relationship on the higher numbers Asian Tourist in the venues like Nana and Soi Cowboy. But there are other things too.
I am starting to see some of the girls do not want to be BF, because they are making more money in the bar dancing from tips then they can make ST or LT with a guy. I have seen a lot of guys tipping the girls 500 and 1000 THB for a good dance in the bar. I have heard of some of the girls making 5000 to 10000 THB at night just staying in the bar from tips. Why get BF if you can make more in the bar?
I lived in Korea from 83 to 92 and went thru the same thing in Korea. Back then Korea was a lot like Thailand is today. If you go to Korea today, this scene is almost complete gone and is mostly underground with VERY HIGH costs involved with it. I am afraid that the same thing is starting to happen in Thailand today.
There are pressures from the Thai Government, outside Countries and groups to clean up sex trade in Thailand. The landlords are starting to charge too much money for the Properties, causing the bars to raise their prices. With some of the bars in Nana selling for 1 to 2 million U.S. today, how do you get the money out of your investment at the current pricing? You can't! They have to rise there pricing. 10 years ago the same bars where selling for 25% of that.
Economies situations with wants and needs are pushing the prices up on drinks to services. The people in the business at the low levels, which are the girls, are learning you can make allot of money. In the past, you never heard of girls in this profession having a lot of money in Thailand, today there are girls in Nana working driving there car to work everyday and living in expense apartments in Bangkok. It is greed and we all want to do better in life, which is great, but it all cost something.
As with any type of business in the world, everything can get modernized and improve for people in the business. But with everything here is a cost, and the cost with this is the end user which is us and sooner or later the cost becomes to high and the business slow down because of the costs. Then add the pressure from the outside to end this trade in Thailand, it will all go away in time. I am afraid this is the path this is headed in Thailand and it is happen faster then we all think. It happen in Korea, it will happen in Thailand also.
We all have to enjoy it while it is still here. But with the pricing starting to increase at a accelerate rate, pressures from the outside of industrial and the mortal standard rising, along with media pushing on the subjects around the world, it will go away sooner or later.
The pressure started in 1988 in Korea and it took 10 year for it to go underground in Korea. I believe it is started in Thailand now and I sure hope it does not end within 10 years, but it is on the path.
I hope I am wrong! But it is starting to look like a parrellal to Korea back then!
[QUOTE=Giotto]JimHart69,
I cannot confirm that. The bar fines are at THB 600 in Soi Nana and Soi Cowboy, since approx. 3 years. Some bars try THB 700 at the moment - but that is a new development, I just heard about it last week.
The girls still go ST for THB 1,500 and LT for THB 2,000. Of course the girls prices are slightly higher in the high season, based on the higher demand, same as all the years before.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Hi there,
I'm planning a trip to BKK for a week.Looking to have a lot of fun out there,and keen on real lookers .Would appreciate guidance as to where to look for the 8+ girls and also additional info. if any.Definitely not looking to throw money but willing to pay for quality. : ) Thanks in advance
KK
[QUOTE=JimHart69]From the late 90's until 2004, in most of the Bars in Nana and Soi Cowboy the BF where 400 THB and the girls were 1000THB for ST and 1500THB for LT. [/QUOTE]
Jim,
My first trip to Bkk was in 2000 and the barfines at Nana were 500-600 baht.
JimHart, you are exactly correct - South Korea is a good predictor. I agree we have about ten years left, and I would even say that those 10 years will not be much fun. Already every year I have been in Thailand has been shadowed by a sense of impending doom. That said it is better than being back in the Prison, but having come from there, I know exactly where the world is going.
On the bright side.. well actually there is no bright side.
Need help....Going to Bangkok next month..I usually go to Pattaya, so
I don't know Bangkok well. Where are the massage parlors where the girls
are naked already? I only really know Cupidy, but the pakage is wrapped
and I can't see what I'm getting. I hate how Asian women wear padded bras.
I saw a pic here that showed the fishbowl with the naked girls, but I can't
find it in this website horrible picture find area.
Jackson please do something to make it ez to go to a pic! Just spent 3 hours trying to find that pic.
It takes that much time just to get from Z to T section scrolling thru all those pages. You must be a sadist..
PM is encouraged..thanks...the Gunz
[QUOTE=Koolkevin]Hi there,
I'm planning a trip to BKK for a week.Looking to have a lot of fun out there,and keen on real lookers .Would appreciate guidance as to where to look for the 8+ girls and also additional info. if any.Definitely not looking to throw money but willing to pay for quality. : ) Thanks in advance
KK[/QUOTE]My first thought was to just walk down the street, day or night, and there are many around.
If you think the photo section here is representative of TGs, you will be stunned when you get here.
See the usual haunts, NEP & Cowboy. Check out any bars in the P4P areas.
Pick up a copy of the magazine After Dark. Issue number four has almost nude pics of some stunners in BKK and Pattaya. And where to find them.
I've read the mentioning of a high and low season. I'm assuming this coincides with the weather patterns and we are now into a low season. Is this correct? When does the high season start and end? I'm assuming there may be some benefit in visiting during the low season. Availability and prices.
[QUOTE=Opebo]JimHart, you are exactly correct - South Korea is a good predictor. I agree we have about ten years left, and I would even say that those 10 years will not be much fun. Already every year I have been in Thailand has been shadowed by a sense of impending doom. That said it is better than being back in the Prison, but having come from there, I know exactly where the world is going.
On the bright side.. well actually there is no bright side.[/QUOTE]
As the pseudo-socialist you are, I should think you'd be happy that the "little guy" (or in this case, "the little girl") is doing better, economically. What's wrong with Thailand developing? You, yourself always go on about BKK not being Thailand. So, what if P4P in BKK prices itself out of existence? There's still all those cheap upcountry skanks, you're so fond of, right?
While it's been predicted for years, both Nana and Cowboy are going to be gone relatively soon. In 10 years, they will be but a memory. With the huge development rising fast at the corner of Asoke, the very upmarket nature of the area, now and the associated rise in the value of land, having a little ramshackle street of 4 storey shop-houses involved in a nefarious trade such as Cowboy is not consistent with the whole environment of the area. At the moment, it's a hold-out. But, it will not last much longer. I'll mourn it a little as I always liked Cowboy as being a somewhat friendly place to go. Although the last time I was there (about a month ago), the girls were a bit more pushy, there were more Japanese (wankers that they are), the girls were quite unattractive and the atmosphere overall was less friendly.
Expect Nana to follow in short order after the King dies. I expect a good deal of the Nana area to be developed, as well in the near future. It's crown land. The Royal Household Bureau is already doing this in other parts of the city: tossing out long-standing leaseholders, taking over the land and developing it. Believe it or not, Nana was once a "Royal" area with palaces and palatial mansions. What it has become in the last 40 years is quite sad, really. But, as Bangkok develops into a regional hub, which has been the plan for sometime, an area like Nana just doesn't fit into the plans. Personally, I won't be sad to see Nana go. I never liked the place and now the atmosphere is oppressive, if not downright hostile. I find the girls to be mediocre, at best and very high on themselves, for no good reason. They're still just ignorant farm-girls with no education, who if it wasn't for this place would be working 12 hour shifts in some factory in Samut Prakan for 3,000/month. Nana is over-run with socially-inept Japanese and Koreans and even Chinese all gawking like 14-y.o. boys with stupid grins and throwing money around like there's no tomorrow. I was there last Saturday for the first time in months. What a fucking shit-hole it is. Why anyone would enjoy going there is beyond me.
Anyway, don't worry, Mr. O., you never go there and the Chinese brothels in Yaowarat and the Indian ones in Phaharat will still be operating well into the future. I assume that Patpong, as shitty as it is will keep running for awhile, as well. And, while out of your price range, the Thai Massage places will never disappear. The same goes for the Thai gogos in Suthisan, at least for now.
[QUOTE=Giotto]JimHart69,
I cannot confirm that. The bar fines are at THB 600 in Soi Nana and Soi Cowboy, since approx. 3 years. Some bars try THB 700 at the moment - but that is a new development, I just heard about it last week.
The girls still go ST for THB 1,500 and LT for THB 2,000. Of course the girls prices are slightly higher in the high season, based on the higher demand, same as all the years before.
Giotto[/QUOTE]When I was in Morning and Night bar Soi Nana two months ago, the girl I was sitting with was asking 2000 THB ST and 3000 THB LT. She also said some girls in the bar were asking and getting 4500 THB LT. I know girls in Hillary Bar are asking the same ( 3000 THB LT), maybe because they have the same bar owner.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...the Chinese brothels in Yaowarat and the Indian ones in Phaharat will still be operating well into the future.[/QUOTE]
Ok, I've picked up the street girls in Chinatown, but I've never seen anything that looked like an actual brothel. And there are Indian brothels? Please, tell me more! Are they cheap? Would they admit a white? I wonder if Indian men hold the line on sai-toongs?
From listening to all this stuff about BKK getting too pricey, I need to get there fast. But the question does pop up, where is the next BKK? Is there a place that reminds you old timers (I mean, men of wisdom) of the way BKK used to be?
[QUOTE=Appcid]I've read the mentioning of a high and low season. I'm assuming this coincides with the weather patterns and we are now into a low season. Is this correct? When does the high season start and end? I'm assuming there may be some benefit in visiting during the low season. Availability and prices. [/QUOTE]Others can answer this better, but as I understand it in BKK we are now approaching the high season when tourism will be up and the weather the most cool and best of the year. I assume it is called high season because the numbers of farangs, that is, foreigners, is on the rise. I read somewhere of the high season in Pattaya being from November to March, and I think BKK must be quite similar. With a number of hotels and ladies this will mean charging more and less availability. But also more meat in town for rent.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]
While it's been predicted for years, both Nana and Cowboy are going to be gone relatively soon. In 10 years, they will be but a memory. With the huge development rising fast at the corner of Asoke, the very upmarket nature of the area, now and the associated rise in the value of land, having a little ramshackle street of 4 storey shop-houses involved in a nefarious trade such as Cowboy is not consistent with the whole environment of the area.[/QUOTE]As far as building appearances go that may be so, but what is consistent with the environment of the area is that it is just one big brothel. So even if the old structures where NEP and Cowboy are were demolished, this would probably result in them being rebuilt with bigger and better accomodations of the same name and for the same purpose.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Ok, I've picked up the street girls in Chinatown, but I've never seen anything that looked like an actual brothel. And there are Indian brothels? Please, tell me more! Are they cheap? Would they admit a white? I wonder if Indian men hold the line on sai-toongs?[/QUOTE]
Just ask around and you'll find them. I haven't been to them in years - too depressing. Although, I know aquaintenances who like to live dangerously, and still go to these places. I warn you though that the girls are quite unpleasant and not exactly stunning. There are similar places in Chiang Mai, as well, if you like places that have girls who are indentured sex-slaves - might be right up your alley.
[QUOTE=Juan Depussy]With all due respect, and realizing I am a newbie, it would seem that RODs are based on the moderator's opinion. One of my very first posts received an ROD suggestion, and I gladly posted in the ROD thread. The ROD instruction page states repeatedly that this is truly subjective and not a reward to the author.
While I agree that several reports that receive an ROD suggestion are not necessarily the most helpful or even best written, I personally try to follow ROD rule number 7.
7. If you don't like a report that has an ROD Link, just let it go.
However, in the words of the great Penn Jillette, I could be wrong.[/QUOTE]
From what I have seen a newbie could write a thousand words of complete nonsense that is totall unrelated to anything in reality and it gets recommended for a report of distinction. As to the report you refer it did nothing but ask newbie questions that have been addressed hundreds of times before and all the author had to do was search the forum for the answers. At least no one was rude enough to suggest that he RTFF.
[QUOTE=Gwailo]Jim,
My first trip to Bkk was in 2000 and the barfines at Nana were 500-600 baht.[/QUOTE]
I was first in Thailand in 1972 and then a LT was 100 baht at an exchange rate of 25 to $1 US.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I was first in Thailand in 1972 and then a LT was 100 baht at an exchange rate of 25 to $1 US.[/QUOTE]
RA
Are you, like me tired of all the whining and wimpering about the rise in prices? What do people expect? - that Thailand stay in some time warp? Costs are up for everything here and this even, G_d forbid trickles down to P4P. A good indicator of the reality, for example is something as basic as gasoline which was 9B/litre in 1997 and now is 30+. Ya, I remember when barfines were 300 and BGs, even from Nana would go LT for 1000. But, inflation and market forces hit everthing.
Deal with it, guys or go somewhere else!
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]RA
Are you, like me tired of all the whining and wimpering about the rise in prices? [/QUOTE]
Cost of living goes up, that's Life. However, I agree that newbies, Japanese and Chinese have artifically inflated some of the prices in BKK.
The reports of distinction recommendations appear to be automatically generated for new posters. (Maybe a marketing ploy by Jackson to get them to buy a membership). I´ll ask him next week.
Cambodia's still cheap, and I hear that Bangladesh and Somalia are even cheaper. Of course, infrastructure's not that great, and you might have to deal with the occassional Cholera epidemic.
Just a thought on the reported cost of girls in Bangkok. I am not sure of the motivation but I am not sure why guys post on here that they can get girls from the go go bars for 1, 000THB short time. This may be possible with the ugly less popular girls but I can guarentee you will not get a hottie out of a bar for less than 1, 500THB (unless they have known you for a long time and you are short on cash and they expect it to be made up next time round etc etc). Newbies, do not believe it when you read reports of go go bar girls going for 1, 000THB. For a hottie you need to be thinking 2, 000THB (although if you buy the mamasan a few drinks she may get it down to 1, 500THB but the drinks would cost you the 500THB difference anyway).
Most people I know who have been here for a while prefer the freelancer scene which is almost always 1, 500THB for a short time or 1, 000THB if they are keen to make some money.
Even more ridiculous is the stories you read where guys say they were so good in bed that the girl refused payment. This is absolute nonsense.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]RA
Are you, like me tired of all the whining and wimpering about the rise in prices? What do people expect? - that Thailand stay in some time warp? Costs are up for everything here and this even, G_d forbid trickles down to P4P. A good indicator of the reality, for example is something as basic as gasoline which was 9B/litre in 1997 and now is 30+. Ya, I remember when barfines were 300 and BGs, even from Nana would go LT for 1000. But, inflation and market forces hit everthing.
Deal with it, guys or go somewhere else![/QUOTE]
OK, so take a place like Pattaya, which I know you hate and think is scumsville, what do you think is a fair price for women and beer?
[QUOTE=Retired Army] As to the report you refer it did nothing but ask newbie questions that have been addressed hundreds of times before and all the author had to do was search the forum for the answers. At least no one was rude enough to suggest that he RTFF.[/QUOTE]Hmmm, no, I think I'm going to have say you are wrong about that. Many of my posts have been quite worthy of shouts of "RTFF!!" and I have been rather surprised that I have not been snarled at in such a manner. My own report that received a ROD suggestion was actually my first REAL report, and detailed a quite disappointing experience. I assumed that perhaps the reason my report received such a suggestion was because I gave actual details and because my writing seems to have some grasp of English grammar and spelling.
But of course, since you have contributed more reports than I, I will defer to your opinion. As I said, I could be wrong.
[QUOTE=David_33]The reports of distinction recommendations appear to be automatically generated for new posters. (Maybe a marketing ploy by Jackson to get them to buy a membership). I´ll ask him next week.[/QUOTE]That concept makes sense, but the name-dropping robs it of all credibility.
See, personally, I seek these forums to learn more about the hobby from respected and seasoned pros like you two. The curmudgeonly griping, though, gives the impression that the real problem is jealousy that a private club has been infiltrated by undeserving upstarts.
Again, with my pitiful double-digit posting, I am certain I have no reason to voice an opinion. Plus, since my posts (and those complaining about ROD suggestions) have less to do with Bangkok reports and more to do with site administration, I'll let that rest here.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]OK, so take a place like Pattaya, which I know you hate and think is scumsville, what do you think is a fair price for women and beer?[/QUOTE]
Beer is super cheap in Pattaya, You can drink hinekin for 35 - 40 baht a bottle on Soi 7 all day / night
For the girl ST 500 - 1000 LT 1000 - 1500 is typical. Price will vary depending on your skills and her skills. Girls in a GOGO will ask double that but pussy is same same or worse
[QUOTE=Appcid]I've read the mentioning of a high and low season. I'm assuming this coincides with the weather patterns and we are now into a low season. Is this correct? When does the high season start and end? I'm assuming there may be some benefit in visiting during the low season. Availability and prices.[/QUOTE]
High season starts about now, Thanksgiving time. Low season starts mid - late March.
SECOND REQUEST..
Names of a few fishbowls in BKK where the ladies are already nude...Am I asking for too much? I've consistantly given back to this forum..Why r u letting me down..how bout a lil help.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]For a hottie you need to be thinking 2, 000THB (although if you buy the mamasan a few drinks she may get it down to 1, 500THB but the drinks would cost you the 500THB difference anyway).[/QUOTE]I am not sure I understand your point here, the price a girl quotes to go with you has nothing to do with the mamasan so I fail to understand how buying the mamasan drinks will result in the girl dropping her price. <??>
I think a lot of different people's experience with pricing has something to do with market forces, but also has a lot to do with the particular person in question. If the girl likes you for whatever reason (ie, handsome man, jai dee, well dressed, good hygiene, whatever), then generally speaking you will get her to go for a cheaper price than someone else might get her for. It is a definite case of YMMV.
[QUOTE]Most people I know who have been here for a while prefer the freelancer scene which is almost always 1, 500THB for a short time or 1, 000THB if they are keen to make some money.[/QUOTE]In my experience, freelancers will generally go for THB1000 for ST, or even less occasionally. A couple of weeks ago I found a Rainbow 2 girl in Nana parking lot who agreed to THB1000 for 2 pops for example, but agreed to THB700 for one.
[QUOTE]Even more ridiculous is the stories you read where guys say they were so good in bed that the girl refused payment. This is absolute nonsense.[/QUOTE]Yes there are some ridiculous tales out there for sure, however I am sure virtually everyone on this board has had a freebie or two over the years. If you are young especially and the girl takes a shine to you then this does happen. Nowadays when I sense a freebie, I still give her something anyway because it is the right thing to do and prevents complications later, although when I was younger and didnt know better I had some great freebies :)
[quote=naked gunz]second request..
names of a few fishbowls in bkk where the ladies are already nude...am i asking for too much? i've consistantly given back to this forum..why r u letting me down..how bout a lil help.[/quote]
sorry buddy, there are no fishbowls with nude ladies. maybe in a few raunchier ones, you might want to ask the mamasan to bring you a girl and maybe she can give you a peek but that's about it. good luck.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]As far as building appearances go that may be so, but what is consistent with the environment of the area is that it is just one big brothel. So even if the old structures where NEP and Cowboy are were demolished, this would probably result in them being rebuilt with bigger and better accomodations of the same name and for the same purpose.[/QUOTE]In Amsterdam they are going through this - areas of Red Light being forced sales so that the area can be made better for housing development - but all that will happen is that it will move to another area.
Wasnt Patpong the top area years ago - now it is Nana/Cowboy - things change and evolve but it isnt called "the oldest profession" for nothing and will survive
Any one know what is closed and what is open in Bangkok on Wednesday, December 5, the King's Birthday?
Thanks for the assistance.
there used to be some thai style places at suthisan on way to old airport. then you can see on stage at soi cowboy some times.
[quote=bowerboy]just a thought on the reported cost of girls in bangkok. i am not sure of the motivation but i am not sure why guys post on here that they can get girls from the go go bars for 1, 000thb short time. this may be possible with the ugly less popular girls but i can guarentee you will not get a hottie out of a bar for less than 1, 500thb (unless they have known you for a long time and you are short on cash and they expect it to be made up next time round etc etc). newbies, do not believe it when you read reports of go go bar girls going for 1, 000thb. for a hottie you need to be thinking 2, 000thb (although if you buy the mamasan a few drinks she may get it down to 1, 500thb but the drinks would cost you the 500thb difference anyway).
most people i know who have been here for a while prefer the freelancer scene which is almost always 1, 500thb for a short time or 1, 000thb if they are keen to make some money.
even more ridiculous is the stories you read where guys say they were so good in bed that the girl refused payment. this is absolute nonsense.[/quote]
bowerboy, sorry bro, i understand your posting your findings, but i can tell you these are not typical findings. beergarden soi 7 is a 1,000 baht st max, it can be less. if you go very late you may just get lt for that price. i've had nana car park experiences (it hurts to admit it however), and i've never been asked for more than a 1,000 for 2pops, one girl included anal for an extra 500, yippee ! i am not young, i am not slim, i smoke, i dress smart causal, no flip flops, well groomed. go back 10 yrs and i received the 'handsum man, where you go?" call every where i went, i can't say i've heard that called out to me for several years now. maybe i'm no longer handsum !?
in my mind, mp's excluded (because the price is fixed), i have to agree with l a guy on this, there are so many factors that come into the price decision process, by her and you that the only thing you can ever count on is that ym will v.
the best thing you can do is suggest in a nice smiley way that you 'know' the normal price to be xyz, if she accepts great, if she doesn't you make the call. i would suggest not giving up the first time though, keep smiling, maybe offer a drink. there are without doubt girls in nana who are asking (and getting) 3-4,000 a st, but does that mean they all are.......no, the same as someone saying they had a 1,000 baht st from rainbow 4 last night, it doesn't mean everyone is getting it for that.
for a lot of the girls, first impressions are starting to count a little more than they used to, nothing to do with looks, simply to do with your appearance in terms of cleanliness, freindliness and your overall behaviour.
on another note, whats the big fascination of having to get cheap pussy, or the lowest available price ? if your at the stage where you've decided you want that person, then price should not be the factor, within a sensible limit of course, but thats up to your financial situation and knowledge of the scene, if you can't afford to play, then stay at home.
[QUOTE=Meaty]Bowerboy, sorry bro, i understand your posting YOUR findings, but i can tell you these are not typical findings. Beergarden Soi 7 is a 1,000 baht ST MAX, it can be less. <cut>etc..[/QUOTE]
Meaty,
He mentions "hotties" in bars (e.g. Nana Plaza Soi Cowboy I presume) and you switch to Beer Garten and "On the street".
Its just not the same thing.
O.K. Girls in SOL will fuck for 1K but this is an abnormal bar.
I agree with him, that mostly we won't do real well by offering 1K to the real popular girls in the bars in Bangkok unless perhaps their intention is to only spend 30 mins with you. Now some guys are happy with any ole girl but some of us are real fussy and want a "looker".
Not sure I agree that the mamasan will help him bargain the price down though.
My last trip to BKK (October 2007) was an amazing experience, and a lot of it wouldn't have happened without information learned from this and other boards. In the spirit of giving something back, here's some info about my last trip, from a grateful newbie.
First outing: Akane Chitlom. I'm a complete newb walking in, with a married man's concerns about diseases and god knows what else. I'll be lucky to get off at all, I think. Well, no problem. I buy the "hand service" package since I'm scared of lip service at this point (disease), and choose Shizuka from a line up of 3 (I went right at 12 noon). Up we go, and within the first 15 minutes she has me clean as a whistle, and hard as a rock. It turns out I like the prostate massage (who knew), so round one happens on the shower table. Nice massage followed by round 2, and she is receptive to my concerns and also to what's working for me and what's not. FOr most of you, this is boring, but for me it was my first step over to the dark side. She tells me she's 26. 1100 baht, I tipped 500.
Second outing: Annie's. Knowing nothing, I went at 11AM. Yes, there are 1/2 dozen women there, but I can't call any of them "girls". The youngest and prettiest of them looks like she's about my age (44). I am up for new experiences today, so choose her (her name's Olive). She is very slender, and has a nice body, but let's face it, 40 is not 20 (she tells me she's 43). Still, she manages to give me a good hand job, but then massages me for the rest of the time. I was not assertive enough to tell her what I wanted. Still a bit timid after coming over to the dark side, I guess. I wouldn't call it a bad experience, but let's put it this way: I've not returned. 1500 baht, I tipped 300 (didn't have the heart to tip nothing, but should have).
Third outing: Back to Akane chitlom. Right after Annie's, I'm feeling a bit let down, and decide to take a chance. I have also decided to try the lip service (covered), having learned a bit more about disease last night on the web. From the lineup, I choose Rikka (or is it Rika). I know now she works from Akane 33, but for some reason she was at Chitlom that day. Well, this was a real treat. Firstly, she has a bit more meat on her than some (but not fat), and I like that in a girl.- gives her a fuller chest and a more grabbable butt. Secondly, I chose her based on her engaging me with her eyes and smile, and was rewarded with someone willing to put herself into it a lot more than Olive. As with Shizuka, service was professional and effective. Only one shot this time, but this was my "fault". I actually felt completely satisfied after 1, so just hugged and talked with her for a while. Very GFE. I think she's 24. About 1500 baht, I tipped 500.
Fourth outing: Akane Chitlom again, but this time for the "half and half" (2nd girl joins after 1/2 time). Chose Miyuki, but not much selection. She was the best looker available, but this turns out to have been a mistake, since she's not making eye contact. Very uninspired performance, all massage and virtually no play, saved only by Ai coming in at half time and getting the job done. Perhaps on a different day or with a different customer Miyuki would be better, but I won't be taking that chance. Too bad really, because Miyuki has a body type I find attractive. 1780 baht, I think, and I tipped 500 each. I clearly shouldn't have tipped Miyuki, but once again, I have chosen to solve this issue by simply not repeating my choice.
Fifth outing: Poseidon, in search of body slide. "No body slide here for 4 years", papasan tells me. Oh well. Still up for new experiences. Chose a nice looking 24 year old whose name I can't remember, but performance was uninspired, so no big deal about the name. Number was 211. Papasan tells me "great body, not good service", but I have not yet learned that Papa sometimes knows best. Still, all is not bad. In addition to a great body, this one has an education, or so she tells me. Bachelors degree in economics, and soon to start an MBA. True? Who knows. Still, her English was very good. Good enough that we spoke about a lot of subjects. She tells me she has 3. 4 customers per day, 6 days/wk. I figure out if she makes a total of 500 baht from each one (tip plus anything the house pays her? ), she's pulling in about 10, 000 baht per week, or about 40k/month (about $1200 US). I'm sure some earn much more, and I'm sure some earn much less. But if she is average, this is indeed a very good living for Bangkok. Over double what I've been told the average "middle" salary is for ordinary working people. I'm pleased to hear this, because I don't like the idea of plundering Bangkok's treasures unless they're doing well out of it too. A combination of CBJ and sex follows a great bath and an OK hand job, but the reality is that this girl really shouldn't be here because her mind's not in it (she's there to pay for school), and it comes through. The talk and snuggle was the best part. Funniest moment came when she commented on how tall I was, but thank goodness my penis wasn't too big. She meant it in a nice way, I know, but it was hilarious. Junior has never been so insulted 2500 baht, I tipped 500.
As an aside, I've discovered that I don't need the full 2 hours, or even 1. 5 hours (unless there's a lot of massage). For me, strange as it may sound, one shot plus a lot of cuddling and talking and laughing is enough. You may feel completely different, I suppose, but I've come to the conclusion that this is just fine. I felt a little self conscious coming back to the fish bowl room after only an hour. Do they think I can't perform? Are they wondering if I had a good time? Well, I did have a good time, and since I got what I wanted, I'm a happy customer. Still, I wonder what they really think.
Sixth outing: Akane Chitlom again, but this time with an appointment for Rikka (made at 2 hours notice, and she had to get there from 33 or wherever else she was). The GFE was so nice from Rikka that I wanted more. Chose the 1/2 and half option again, and it was up to the shower room. However, no pretense of massage this time! Having been chosen a 2nd time, she seems to understand that I want a bit more personal attention, and I get it. Back from the shower, we're both naked, and she's up on top of me in a flash, with only a bit of lotion between us. We have "outercourse", in which she basically uses her undercarriage and hands to get me off (with condom, at my request). My impression is that intercourse would have been possible, but I didn't ask. Ai came in at 3/4 time, but I was past the point of caring. Already in heaven. Had to ask both of them to quiet down and just lay down with me for a snuggle. They were all too happy to do it, with the usual "you happy I happy". 1780 baht, I tipped 500 to Ai, 1000 to Rikka (sorry guys, but to me, tipping is just a feel good thing, and I felt pretty good). I also tipped Mamasan 300 baht for the appointment at short notice, and I bought a big box of chocolates for all the girls to share (will they eat them or will they worry about getting fat. Not sure). I bought a small box for Rikka too. They all seemed genuinely touched by this small kindness.
Seventh outing: Nattaree. Aha. Finally a body-slide place. Actually, there seem to be two entrances to this place. The one on the left and the one on the right. The one on the left doesn't do body slide, but the one on the right does. I chose from the fish bowl with my eyes again, without consulting my brain. Mistake. Nutt was a stunner, but (it turns out) only doing it to support her child (husband died, I was told). Oh well. Into the bath, and OOOOH. Bloody freezing. It turns out the hot water heater wasn't working. Oh well, we do the best we can, but it was not fun having body slide while freezing cold from the bath! Uninspired hand, blow, and sex. 2000 Baht, tipped 500.
Eighth outing: Nattaree. Drawn back by the thought of a part timer. They're a lot younger than the fish bowl girls. I'd say 19. 22 rather than 24. 30+. Will this mean they have great bodies and lots of energy but no knowledge of what to do with a man's body? Only one way to find out, and how bad could it be, right? I turn up shortly after 1pm. Only 1 girl in the bowl (a fattie), and only one part timer. Clearly I've made a timing mistake. I decide to punt up to Poseidon and take a look at their 3rd floor. Phew, it's hot out. I'm sweating by the time I get there at 1:30PM. Still, the situation is as bad here. 2 in the bowl, and none (! ) in the 3rd floor. I sit for about 15 minutes drinking my drink, waiting for someone to arrive, but they don't. After a short trip to the men's room (there 's no ladies room), I decide to punt back down to Nattaree. I arrive there hot and sweaty, but it's now 2pm. Same girl still in the bowl, still all alone. But. Yahoo! There are now a couple dozen part timers. These young girls all look pretty, but I'm a little smarter than I used to be. I take a bit of time, and choose based on a combination of looks, smile, eye contact, and general "I'm interested in you" coming from the girl. Of the 25+ girls there, only about 5 meet the criteria. Papa comes to the rescue to help me choose. I say "how about that one", and he gives me his judgment. Finally, I choose a girl called "Wen", who seems genuinely pleased. I tip Papa 300 baht, which hopefully he'll remember next time. Into the room, and this girl is the first one I've had who just dives right in with the kissing and fondling. Even before the drink lady has been in. Enerjetic. Yes, I would say so. I'm smiling all over and standing at attention in moments. "You have chosen wisely my son", I think to myself.
Into the bath, and WTF. It's freezing cold again! Yes, I remember from last time, but I thought it was just that one room, or if not, then certainly just that one day. Well, apparently not. Still, being who I am, I have a giggle about it, and make some remark that it's a good thing the girl is so hot since the bath is cold. To be honest, she's a lot more freezing than me. No fat at that age! After getting clean (and cold), I decide to run this session rather than letting her run it as I have more or less done previously. Onto the bed.come and lay down with me and let's get warm, I ask. Why? I genuinely enjoy the snuggling as I've said previously, and I know I'm not going to be using all my time anyway (based on prior experience). She seems to love it, and I do to. Virtually no English in this girl, so I can have a nice conversation with myself, making all sorts of jokes about the situation, and she just smiles. For you, this might be a complete waste of time, but I loved it, and I'm a customer too. In fact, I think I'd love a LT experience sometime, but not on this trip, since I'm with my wife and daughter, and there's only so much lattitude I can expect from my wife! After a while of this, she expertly (at least by my standards) gives me what I would call a semi-CBJ.- bareback except for the tip, and condom going on at the last minute. Very nice, with lots of balls and ass play too. Did I mention this girl has a very nice, tight body with a great ass, which I play with a lot (not inside). She's concerned that my boobs are bigger than hers, but I tell her not to worry about that. I'm certainly not bothered about it. I preferred hers over mine. She would happily have put herself into it for the whole time, but once again, a good man knows what he wants, and I had had enough after about 75 minutes. She looked concerned, but I reassured her that all was well, and that we should just cuddle for a while. Cost 2600 baht. I tipped 1000.
My indoctrination into the dark side is far from complete, but what a fantastic time I had. I hope whoever is reading this can put some of this information to use, and have a great time in BKK. TO end off, I'll add this:
There's sex, and then there's having a good time. From the very start, I knew I wanted to have a good time, and try some sex too. I got that, by and large. But if I had been focused on just how good the sex was, only half of my outings would count as good ones.
These girls are human beings. If you can make one laugh or feel good. Please do. I did, and it brought me a lot of pleasure to do so. A little kindness goes a long way. Almost right from the beginning, I decided to do a bit of good for each girl, even if it was just making them laugh. There's great therapy in that.
As a customer, I bore ultimate responsibility for getting what I wanted. In those cases where I didn't, I was still able to have a good time, but I voted with my feet (ie: didn't come back to same girl or place).
I also had my limits as to what I wanted to do or what I wanted the girl to do. In my case, this was really a health issue. If there were no STD's, I'd be in there like a shot with DATY, bum licking, and bareback everything. But for me, that's not a reality. My limits evolved during the trip as I became more knowledgable. I decided I would not allow the girl's juices (of any kind) inside my body. That meant no DATY, covered sex/BJ, and so on. All the girls were fine with my limits. Some would clearly have gone outside those limits if I wanted them to. But my health is up to me, and I hope I've chosen wisely.
In the West, we think of hookers as being part of a "meat market", and that's true. However, these girls all had good self esteem, all seemed well in control of every situation (well, except for making the water hot at Nattaree), and I never felt I was putting them in a dishonorable or repulsive situation. I've never tried a hooker in the West. Perhaps it is the same. But here, these are real people doing a job, some better than others, some liking it more than others. But it's job for them, and they are professionals. We are (or at least I am) the amateur, the one out on a limb.
I just gotta endorse he "cuddle factor". Having a young, beautiful, willing girl (or two) cuddled up before or after sex, it has to be one of the best feelings in the world. Hopefully people won't get too caught up in just coming to orgasm. At least for me, there's a lot more to it than that. Even scampering around at Akane from the slightly grotty rooms to the slightly grotty shower can be fun. If accompanied by the right girl (s).
Impressions: I enjoyed Akane, particularly Rikka, Ai, and Shizuka. I didn't like Annie's. I really liked the part timer (Wen) at Nattaree. Poseidon had the best rooms. Annie's had the worst rooms. Akane's were "ok", but the girls made up for it. Eye contact, expressed interest, and smile, are much more important than how the girl looks, but if careful about timing and choosing, you can have both!
I will do my best to answer questions, if anyone has any.
Gherkin
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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Meaty,
He mentions "hotties" in bars (e.g. Nana Plaza Soi Cowboy I presume) and you switch to Beer Garten and "On the street".
Its just not the same thing.[/QUOTE]
No offence Mick, but he [i]did[/i] mention the Beer Garten and 'On the street' scene by referring to FL's...
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]...the freelancer scene which is almost always 1, 500THB for a short time or 1, 000THB if they are keen to make some money..[/QUOTE]
I totally agree that a looker is different to a non-looker, not sure i'd agree that all lookers are only available through a bar at the higher prices mentioned though. It's all personal persepctive really, eye of the beerholder and all that. As i said before anythings possible and there is a huge amount of YMMV.
Peace
Meaty and L A Guy
I would disagree completely, the clean looking, smell nice thing is a myth, it is about the money and do not fool yourself otherwise. I am 37 years old, run 8kms everyday at Lumpini and whilst not hansum I am ok looking and normally always go to the bars well dressed. I do absolutely agree though that it is an issue of timing, if you are in the right place at the right time (for whatever unexplained reason) you can get it cheaper than normal. Guarenteed it has nothing to do with your look (although of course they will give you that impression, they are consumate professionals! ). Of course if you know the girls very well and are a regular then things can be different, but again will depend on timing and circumstances.
L A Guy, you are exactly validating my point. No good looking Rainbow girls go to the Nana Car Park, only the uglier older and more desperate ones. I will agree though that it is very possible to get short time for 1, 000THB at some places but you run the chance of poor performance if you haggle too low.
Getting girls through the mamasan is most often the best way, they will almost always negotiate a discount with the girls and will get whatever girl you want as long as you treat the mamasan well. It takes some investment of money but if you are serious about mongering in go go bars then you MUST befriend the mamasan's, you will save yourself a lot of hassle and disapointment.
[QUOTE=Bowerboy]
Even more ridiculous is the stories you read where guys say they were so good in bed that the girl refused payment. This is absolute nonsense.[/QUOTE]
There are a lot of dreamers on internet forums, I suppose they are harmless though.
Juan Depussy,
Not name dropping. I will be in Buenos Aires next week and I will probably have dinner with Jackson as I usually do. Every time an average or sub-average post is recommended for distinctive status, someone makes the same comment. It will be interesting to know if what I surmise is correct or not.
Arrived in Bangkok today. After an early evening session I went for a beer first at Soi Cowboy, then at Patpong. Being exhausted from my flight and the session, I did not take anyone from either place. However, from just watching I found the quality much, much higher at Patpong than at Cowboy. Now I noticed that everyone in this forum is always writing about Nana or Soi Cowboy, no one ever talks about Patpong. Is there a reason for this? Something wrong with Patpong?
[QUOTE=David_33]Juan Depussy,
Not name dropping. I will be in Buenos Aires next week and I will probably have dinner with Jackson as I usually do. Every time an average or sub-average post is recommended for distinctive status, someone makes the same comment. It will be interesting to know if what I surmise is correct or not.[/QUOTE]OK, I see. Let us know if it is correct, because the theory does make sense.
Sorry about the name-dropping comment - I had no doubt you are friends with Jackson, but I suppose because of the mood I was in at the time I felt it was an unnecessary addition to the comment.
Again, thanks for the clarification.
[QUOTE=Gherkin]My last trip to BKK (October 2007) was an amazing experience, and a lot of it wouldn't have happened without information learned from this and other boards. In the spirit of giving something back, here's some info about my last trip, from a grateful newbie.
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[/QUOTE]Gherkin,
Welcome to the forum, and thank you for your comprehensive first report about your trip to BKK. Excellent!
I really hope to read more from you in the future.
BTW: Did you never try Akane Soi 33?
Giotto
Gherkin
Great report, and interesting to follow your learning curve! I guess we have all been through the same thing.
I fully agree with your comments about the importance of having fun with the girls, and not just going through the mechanical bit. It's what makes BKK girls special. A lot of potentially bad experiences can be improved with a smile and a good attitude. I sometimes take a little gift as well - like you say, it is nice to be nice.
I am more relaxed about possible STDs than you, but I guess it might be different if my wife was waiting for me back at the hotel (how did you manage that?). Also I am quite happy to walk away if no-one takes my fancy. As a result I have had a few great experiences at Annie's, and walked away quite a few times. Not sure I would want time with a 43-year old lady, although I accept they are often more talented than younger girls.
[QUOTE=Gherkin]My last trip to BKK (October 2007) was an amazing experience, and a lot of it wouldn't have happened without information learned from this and other boards. In the spirit of giving something back,
My indoctrination into the dark side is far from complete, but what a fantastic time I had. I hope whoever is reading this can put some of this information to use, and have a great time in BKK. TO end off, I'll add this:
There's sex, and then there's having a good time. From the very start, I knew I wanted to have a good time, and try some sex too. I got that, by and large. But if I had been focused on just how good the sex was, only half of my outings would count as good ones.
These girls are human beings. If you can make one laugh or feel good. Please do. I did, and it brought me a lot of pleasure to do so. A little kindness goes a long way. Almost right from the beginning, I decided to do a bit of good for each girl, even if it was just making them laugh. There's great therapy in that.
As a customer, I bore ultimate responsibility for getting what I wanted. In those cases where I didn't, I was still able to have a good time, but I voted with my feet (ie: didn't come back to same girl or place).
I also had my limits as to what I wanted to do or what I wanted the girl to do. In my case, this was really a health issue. If there were no STD's, I'd be in there like a shot with DATY, bum licking, and bareback everything. But for me, that's not a reality. My limits evolved during the trip as I became more knowledgable. I decided I would not allow the girl's juices (of any kind) inside my body. That meant no DATY, covered sex/BJ, and so on. All the girls were fine with my limits. Some would clearly have gone outside those limits if I wanted them to. But my health is up to me, and I hope I've chosen wisely.
In the West, we think of hookers as being part of a "meat market", and that's true. However, these girls all had good self esteem, all seemed well in control of every situation (well, except for making the water hot at Nattaree), and I never felt I was putting them in a dishonorable or repulsive situation. I've never tried a hooker in the West. Perhaps it is the same. But here, these are real people doing a job, some better than others, some liking it more than others. But it's job for them, and they are professionals. We are (or at least I am) the amateur, the one out on a limb.
I just gotta endorse he "cuddle factor". Having a young, beautiful, willing girl (or two) cuddled up before or after sex, it has to be one of the best feelings in the world. Hopefully people won't get too caught up in just coming to orgasm. At least for me, there's a lot more to it than that. Even scampering around at Akane from the slightly grotty rooms to the slightly grotty shower can be fun. If accompanied by the right girl (s).
Impressions: I enjoyed Akane, particularly Rikka, Ai, and Shizuka. I didn't like Annie's. I really liked the part timer (Wen) at Nattaree. Poseidon had the best rooms. Annie's had the worst rooms. Akane's were "ok", but the girls made up for it. Eye contact, expressed interest, and smile, are much more important than how the girl looks, but if careful about timing and choosing, you can have both!
I will do my best to answer questions, if anyone has any.
Gherkin
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[QUOTE=Giotto]Gherkin,
BTW: Did you never try Akane Soi 33?
Giotto[/QUOTE]Not yet. Chitlom kept me happy this time around. However, on the next trip I would perhaps venture out there.
Now I just have to figure out whether anything similar can be found in N. America (never mind the price difference). From reading the forums, my gut feel is that while services are available, they will not compare well against my BKK experiences. I'd love to learn I'm wrong.
Gherkin
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Gherkin
I am more relaxed about possible STDs than you, but I guess it might be different if my wife was waiting for me back at the hotel (how did you manage that?). Also I am quite happy to walk away if no-one takes my fancy. As a result I have had a few great experiences at Annie's, and walked away quite a few times. Not sure I would want time with a 43-year old lady, although I accept they are often more talented than younger girls.[/QUOTE]Fortunately, Bangkok is a great shopping city, and my wife and I both hate it when we shop together (married guys - you all know what I mean, right?). This provides the perfect way for me to get away for a "traditional Thai massage", or so she thinks.
I was initially worried about coming back smelling all clean and bubble bathy. However, I've found that while I do smell a bit like that after a session, a quick walk through Bangkok's heat and pollution gets me nice and sweaty and grimy again, which provides a good cover.
However, there is something surreal about going off and bonking a couple of early-20-something girls, then coming home to the family. I certainly feel like I'm getting away with something. It all seems harmless enough to me, but I know my wife would disagree strongly if she knew, and would likely go for the scissors ;) But although I love my wife very much, and cannot imagine having another woman in my life emotionally, this romping through the massage parlors has been a personal adventure, and one I've enjoyed a lot. I don't feel guilty, so currently there's gain for me and the MPs and girls, and I don't seem to be creating any pain for anyone.
BTW: sometimes I take the kids and it's my wife's turn to go off for the day. Perhaps she gets herself into all sorts of trouble, but its not the same for women so I doubt it. Not sure I'd really mind all that much if she did, so long as she didn't bring it home.
I'm rambling on now, so perhaps its time to stop typing.
Gherkin
[quote=Gherkin]...These girls are human beings. If you can make one laugh or feel good. Please do. I did, and it brought me a lot of pleasure to do so. A little kindness goes a long way. Almost right from the beginning, I decided to do a bit of good for each girl, even if it was just making them laugh. There's great therapy in that...[/quote]It is even some therapy to me to read such a great report with so many "That Asshole"s "Opebo"s and "Cheap Meat"s around.
Retired Army pointed out: "I was first in Thailand in 1972 and then a LT was 100 baht at an exchange rate of 25 to $1 US".
Well, at today's prices it's about 2000, so twenty fold increase over 25 years, or roughly 13% increase per annum compounded, not unlike housing costs ! The proper test is the ratio between the gross adult male wage and a LT - I was not born in 1972 so I don't know what the wages were.
In November 2007 the exchange rate is 31 baht to 1 USD. So assuming wages of $US1k per week, at today's rate, that equates to $US 64.50 or 6% of a weeks wages. Has this gone up or down ?
It's complicated because Bush has destroyed the US currency (and a lot of other things) that has lost a quarter of its value in the last three years. Bush has increased the cost of Bush ! Many girls are making seriously good money by Thai standards, more than doctors and professionals. The uglier ones less so.
The only suggestion is have a longer term g/f (for a few days) to lower the cost per blow job/screw - if they know you it can be cheaper. The girls I know are happy i want to be sucked and am done in 30 minutes = 400B, not chat, leave the bar, zip and suck. I have an arrangement that I get picked up a limo entering and leaving LOS, and also have a stash of chardonnay or campari and ice waiting, and girl known for her oral skills. It's a lovely and relaxing routine, and they are very happy for 1K allowing for waiting around time and transit one way without me.
What is needed is Nana Airlines, where the fun starts when the plane leaves the USA. The flight attendants would be very available and it would have short time cabins. Nice Thai food, a nice party and ban all fat white american cow-sow women from the plane.
Ideas ?
Just another compliment on Gherkin's great report. I am truly inspired to do some massage action on my next trip. I've always been more of a "take-out" rather than "eat-in" guy (don't have to worry about a wife back at the hotel), but you've surely whetted my appetite.
I would also like to second Vino71's request for more info/reports on Patpong. It's been a couple of years since my last trip to LOS but I'll be back in April. I've been reading on this board and others about the sad state of NEP. I always liked the place, right down to the sticky beer and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] soaked floors, but it sounds like it's becoming less and less of a happy hunting ground. But it sounds like maybe it's time to hop the BTS down to Silom.
[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]...I was not born in 1972 so I don't know what the wages were.[/QUOTE]
Higher in real terms - standard of living - than in 2007, I can assure you, PM. The entire period since '72 has been a monumental disaster for American workers.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]It is even some therapy to me to read such a great report with so many "That Asshole"s "Opebo"s and "Cheap Meat"s around.[/QUOTE]
Dear Tiger, I think that we cheap charlies get an unfair rap about 'mistreating' the girls. Nothing about driving a hard bargain or maintaining a respectful distance suggests a miserable time for the girls. Personally I believe there are many girls who prefer our businesslike approach.
In fact, the chap who spends his 30-60 minutes vigorously prodding the girl for 500 baht and then mercifully leaves is the ideal customer: he does not impose himself on her like some kind of preposterous fake boyfriend for 16 or so hours, replete with creepy cuddling, awful conversation, drunkenness etc., and he leaves her time for two or three more short-times, so her net earnings for the day are higher without all the awful acting long-time requires.
[QUOTE=Vino71]Arrived in Bangkok today. After an early evening session I went for a beer first at Soi Cowboy, then at Patpong. Being exhausted from my flight and the session, I did not take anyone from either place. However, from just watching I found the quality much, much higher at Patpong than at Cowboy. Now I noticed that everyone in this forum is always writing about Nana or Soi Cowboy, no one ever talks about Patpong. Is there a reason for this? Something wrong with Patpong?[/QUOTE]
The reason we don't discuss Patpong is because it's for tourists who don't know any better than to go there on their first night in BKK. Full of rip-off joints, touts, and everything is over-priced. A mear shadow of its self of its heyday during the Vietnam way and now mostly a night market for knock off goods.
Radio City Music Hall is the one exception, but it's for the Elvis and Tom Jones impersonators not to pick up girls. Although it can be done. Star of Light is ok if you like the BJ bars (which I don't). Other than these places I don't know of any other reason to go to Patpong.
I will be going to Bangkok for the first time in early January. I have heard much about clubs, where girls perform various interesting shows, such as shoting ping-pong balls out of their vaginas. Also interested in BDSM/female bondage live shows. Any recommendations would be appreciated.
Arrived yesterday night from US . Journey was little long and hectic. Arrived in Bkk , exchanged money at the airport.Taxi touts were quoting 700 Bht . remembered Duni's great post <link></link>
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While negotiating taxi inside the airport an old guy came acting to find me a cab. Pulled out a paper asked my name, hotel, wrote down without saying anything. I tought for taxi purpose but turned out another scammer tourist guide trying catch me. He going to call my hotel.
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When outside avoiding the touts who were asking for 700 bht. Stood in the metered taxi line. Ride was nice only the cab driver got confused about the direction, when in sio 5 and gave a tour of soi 5, 7, 3 etc. Finally on my talk he came back to sukhumvit and I showed him the hotel. May be it was international on his part trying to take me for a sucker ride.
Anyway to total expense. 235 (meter)+50 (service charge) +65 (toll)= 350. Could be easily done for less than 300 without the direction loss.
Went for walk found some, Alex club not many looker at 4:00 am. Asked Coke. Asked the price, she pointed 1 finger. I tough WTF it can't be 1 bht, must be 10 bht. I puled out 20 bht bill and handed her and she looked at me well dressed gentleman and cracked up. Said. 100 bht. So I paid. My funny game is already working; ) NOT MANY looker. Most of <5.
Walked outside lots of ladies asking "ready? ", I know what they meant; ) Since tired, body aching and last but not the lease little johnny sleeping. Don't want to bring strange little beauties at home and scare him and mess his sleep. He get little cranky when he is sleep deprived.
Anyway going to sleep now.
Tommorows plan is some good thai massage to ease of the lower back pain, and then will start looking around.
Any senior/s wanted to show me around the spot for some friendly advise and beer (which is on me).
BTW walking in Navy blue blazer, printed T-shirt, designer jeans, cowboy boots ain't working. I got the vide that its too much dresses on the street not many approached. Came of the blazer then lots of EC and approach.
Once again thanks for the awesome board with great infos.
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[QUOTE=Triplehans]I will be going to Bangkok for the first time in early January. I have heard much about clubs, where girls perform various interesting shows, such as shoting ping-pong balls out of their vaginas. Also interested in BDSM/female bondage live shows. Any recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
For "ugly" shows like smoking pussy, pussy firing darts to pop balloons, shooting banana etc. go to "Long Gun" in "Soi Cowboy" near Sukhumwit road (all Taxis will know where it is) with added bonus of full nude dancing, and some choreographed dance shows.
For really hot erotic shows try "Suzie Wong" just a few doors down., e.g. lesbian show, oil show etc. body painting and some cherogrphed shows.
Get there early to get a seat right at the dance table, e.g. 9.30 for shows that will start probably at 10PM.
Some people like to look up girls skirt with no knickers at Baccarat (spelling?)
and some hot girls at "Doll's House" and "Shark".
I don't know where to go for ping pong shooting but sounds real boring to me.
Probably Pat Pong area. But maybe these can be interesting the 1st time.
[QUOTE=Vino71]Arrived in Bangkok today. After an early evening session I went for a beer first at Soi Cowboy, then at Patpong. Being exhausted from my flight and the session, I did not take anyone from either place. However, from just watching I found the quality much, much higher at Patpong than at Cowboy. Now I noticed that everyone in this forum is always writing about Nana or Soi Cowboy, no one ever talks about Patpong. Is there a reason for this? Something wrong with Patpong?[/QUOTE]
Were you more drunk at Pat Pong? Were you looking at the lady boys?
Just kidding!
Can you be more specific about which bars you visited and in what way Pat Pong had better quality?
It is known that some downstairs gogo bars in Pat pong have some very pretty girls but they are usually very costly and do not provide very good service in my expereince (from a long time back).
I went to Queens Castle III (upstairs) with some girls fully nude a few months back and found only one girl with a good enough figure to interest me. But the best bars in Soi Cowboy have several really good looking girls.
Us old timers assume that Pat Pong is way past its prime.
But we could be wrong. So please tell us where to find the pretty girls.
Its a shame you didn't actually try one as proof of the pudding is in the eating.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
In fact, the chap who spends his 30-60 minutes vigorously prodding the girl for 500 baht and then mercifully leaves is the ideal customer
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Mercifully leaves is right. This describes a really irritating customer.
Was he so dumb he couldn't understand when the girl said "go wank yourself".
Girls that are good enough to get several short times per night do not need to accept 500 Baht (only the desperate ugly ones do). I have seem bar girls getting 1K tips from customers just for a nice dance performance, so don't bother to show up to Long Gun.
Even SOL girls won't fuck for 500 Baht (< than US$20), so why did you go there?
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]There are a lot of dreamers on internet forums, I suppose they are harmless though.[/QUOTE]
Occassionally guys do get a freebie, but it seems delusional to suppose that "being good in bed" was the reason.
Could be the girl is trying to hook a boyfriend. Many girls are truelly looking for a "knight in shining armour" to take them away from it all.
Giottos lodge has high pretty girl turn-over because many have found a boyfriend at the Lodge an then left their employment at the Sports Bar.
[QUOTE=Mouse1]Not sure I would want time with a 43-year old lady, although I accept they are often more talented than younger girls.[/QUOTE]
The 43 yr old Olive is actually pretty famous at Annie's and on this board. There are several of us here that have given her very good reviews. I don't normally go for 40 yr olds but she is special.
Great report, Gherkin. Thanks for posting.
[QUOTE=Meaty]No offence Mick, but he [i]did[/i] mention the Beer Garten and 'On the street' scene by referring to FL's...
Peace[/QUOTE]
O.K. I see he did mention FL's as an aside. You confused me by quoting the gogo bar part of his message first up, which made me think you were replying to that.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Even SOL girls won't fuck for 500 baht (< than US$20), so why did you go there?[/QUOTE]
I went there to get a BJ, for I think 700 baht, whatever is the price now - I forget. To also have intercourse was only an additional 300 baht. Not cheap but a bargain by Bangkok standards. The 500 baht I mentioned in my post referred to Pattaya prices - sorry for the confusion.
While 1,000 should be the line to hold for frugal mongers in the tourist traps of Bangkok, 500 is possible even there particularly in off-hours, and of course in Chinatown and other places 300 is possible. On Sukhumvit I pretty much accept that I won't be able to get under 1,000 unless it is nine AM or some such horrible time, so I strive to bargain for bareback and anal within that price.
You mentioned a simpleton tipping 1,000 baht for a good lap-dance - I once saw that happen in a go-go in Pattaya; I felt physically ill when I saw it and depressed the rest of the night.
[QUOTE=Triplehans]I will be going to Bangkok for the first time in early January. I have heard much about clubs, where girls perform various interesting shows, such as shoting ping-pong balls out of their vaginas. Also interested in BDSM/female bondage live shows. Any recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
There is a place in Patpong that offers what you seek. I forget the name but perhaps one of the other members of the forum can supply the name of the venue. I went once and that was one time too many. Sure they had the old hammer that no one wants to shag anymore who has denigrated to live performances on stage in Patpong. She will throw ping-pong balls from her snatch using her hips, not shoot as you imagine. She will also smoke a cigarette, throw darts and the obligatory banana show, which some drunk (usually from Australia or the UK) will feel obliged to eat. If this sounds like what you are looking for then by all means go. But beware; this place is a known rip-off joint. They charge a ridiculous cover charge, outrageous drink prices and will pad your bill like crazy. Enjoy…
As for the BDSM/bongage show some other member is going to have to supply that information.
[QUOTE=Wolvie75]
When outside avoiding the touts who were asking for 700 bht. Stood in the metered taxi line. Ride was nice only the cab driver got confused about the direction, when in sio 5 and gave a tour of soi 5, 7, 3 etc. Finally on my talk he came back to sukhumvit and I showed him the hotel. May be it was international on his part trying to take me for a sucker ride.
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Perhaps not. Rice picking season is over. He was probably a rice farmer from Korat trying to earn a few baht until planting time.
[QUOTE=Gherkin]Fortunately, Bangkok is a great shopping city, and my wife and I both hate it when we shop together (married guys. You all know what I mean, right? ). This provides the perfect way for me to get away for a "traditional Thai massage", or so she thinks. Gherkin[/QUOTE]You did the shopping trick the right way, the way I like to, it all depends on how your wife can handle your credit card. I have had the luck to travel always alone for business in Asia in the past but since a few years I do longer projects here and my wife likes to join me most of the time to LOS (can’t blame here, she now loves LOS and that’s my fold) so I needed some new tricks in my book to continue mongering when she travels with me.
-When you travel with your wife the first rule is, don’t stay away late night on your own, they all associate night life with sex and girls or having a affair, even more that you think, monger only in day time, and a by yourself organised (fake) business dinner is very helpful sometimes but not to often, just see that you get a alcohol smell when joining here at your room that evening.
-Whenever I have a meeting outside BK I leave early morning and try to be back in BK in the afternoon and I will have plenty of spare time to visit the mass. Parlours in a relax way and just like as you say, I walk the last mile to the hotel to get the Bangkok smell on my body and don’t look to fresh.
- Create a kind of habit like this: wherever we are around the world I go often (daily) for a massage and not only when in LOS or China, preferable on the street and not the hotel, so it’s not strange if I go out for a mass. Here on a moment when she wants to stay at the pool, I am telling here that I want to explore a new day Spa for us (giving maybe a few names), that’s fine for here, I actually go then to my favourite places like Aviva or at Soi 22 or 33. The day after I go then to the day Spa that I told here I have had explored the day before but which I actually did not visit at all.
- Stay in a hotel on Sukumvit close to your mongering area or the BTS to shorten your walking time, if you are away for 2 hours, to here it looks always like it’s half a day.
- She sometimes like to go on here own to here favourite day Spa around the corner and I go then later that day but off course not to the same one but I repeat the previous exploring trick.
- When having a day off, I go in the morning together with here (like it should be) to our regular Spa and she loves it, this make me a nice guy (think so) and it gives me the possibility to go back in the afternoon to a Korean or Japanese men only spa and that’s no problem for here, She knows that kind of Spa’s where I like to hang out, all, so called, equipped with hot and cold tub where all men walking around naked, getting a back scrub and massage by very old women or old men as she knows from staying in some other Asian hotels before, this gives me a few hours to go to Sazanka or Akane or soapy etc. It all depends on how you sell it and how she buy’s it (ok till now).
- I take here out some evenings to Soi Coboy or Nana so that she also knows (all)about BK night life and what is going on in the (one and only) bad part from BK and she knows I am never there at night, she is a pretty good looking lady and the negative part here is that she is always attracted by the nice girls and sometimes LB’s for a chat (good cover for me)
I have just been staying in BK for several weeks (like a fish in clear water without sharks LOL), I will be back in January I am sure that she will join me for a additional holiday and believe I will need desperately my " magic trick book " again,
Hope this as been helpful.
John Euro
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[QUOTE=Retired Army]As for the BDSM/bongage show some other member is going to have to supply that information.[/QUOTE]
There is a club on Patpong II called Barbar. They are that type of club for fetishes etc. Never been inside, but have heard of it.
Here is a link:
[url]http://www.barbar-bangkok.com/[/url]
I plan to leave San Francisco for BKK on Jan 11. Even armed with close readings of many posts and re-examination of my past trips to BKK over the last few years, I still cannot answer the question: Is it advantage to go alone or pairing up with some other monger?
We all can see the pros and cons of the situation. I also can see that it strongly depends on the pair that is joining up. My past experience has been mainly alone and I have had "time of my life." I am very flexible and have tried out things and I have enjoyed almost all of those undertakings. I have posted these adventures in WSG. Still, I think there is a lot to learn from each other and joining up can go a long way in smoothing out the anxiety associated with "cast and wait; negotiations etc. etc."
Well, I plan to stay at the Majestic Suites during my entire visit (Jan. 11 - 19)and I will look for any joiners in front of the hotel lobby at noon on the following days: Jan. 12, 14, and 16. Any of those interested, please show up. You cannot miss me. I am originally from India and look Indian.
Cheers,
Sidney
[QUOTE=John Euro]You did the shopping trick the right way, the way I like to, it all depends on how your wife can handle your credit card. [/QUOTE]Hmm. Factoring in the additional cost of wife's shopping sessions makes BKK the most expensive places for P4P in the world (at least for me) ;) Still, going with family beats not going at all.
Gherkin
Hey guys! I'm heading accross to Bangkok for a few days tommorrow.. What's the latest on "showing". Are the girls dancing in the nude in Bangkok these days? And where is it happening most? Cowboy? Nana? Patpong?
Would love to get the experts' knowledge.... Thanks
[QUOTE=Mangga]Hey guys! I'm heading accross to Bangkok for a few days tommorrow.. What's the latest on "showing". Are the girls dancing in the nude in Bangkok these days? And where is it happening most? Cowboy? Nana? Patpong?
Would love to get the experts' knowledge.... Thanks[/QUOTE]
Yes Nude in "Long Gun" at Soi Cowboy, and even plenty of shaved pussy at "Suzie Wong" nearby. Some other bars also.
[QUOTE=Mangga]Hey guys! I'm heading accross to Bangkok for a few days tommorrow.. What's the latest on "showing". Are the girls dancing in the nude in Bangkok these days? And where is it happening most? Cowboy? Nana? Patpong?
Would love to get the experts' knowledge.... Thanks[/QUOTE]
Mostly Cowboy... depends on the cops that day/night.
Nana does not have nude, unless I am missing something. Same for Patpong.
[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]Mostly Cowboy... depends on the cops that day/night.
Nana does not have nude, unless I am missing something. Same for Patpong.[/QUOTE]
Some Pat Pong bars have. I think Queens Castle 2 and QC3 (ex Pussy Galore) upstairs. But Soi Cowboy is a better place to go! Haven't noticed too much police stoppage.
[QUOTE=Wolvie75]Anyway to total expense. 235 (meter)+50 (service charge) +65 (toll)= 350. Could be easily done for less than 300 without the direction loss.[/QUOTE]Sorry 300 baht is a good price to travel from airport to Sukhumvit, my best is 191 baht fare plus airport charge and toll way. One taxi go me to Soi 4 for 197 baht that included 3 baht on the meter while waiting for him to put gas in the car, and he managed to get to soi 4 without going through the toll ways. So I saved 65 baht on the toll way.
[QUOTE=Gherkin]Hmm. Factoring in the additional cost of wife's shopping sessions makes BKK the most expensive place, Still, going with family beats not going at all.
Gherkin[/QUOTE]That’S why I was saying, " it all depends on how she handles your credit card " mine is pretty ok with that, she knows the fashion business and the pricing tag very well, Fashion stuff is mostly more expensive in BK than in European city’s, the advantage for my credit card is that my wife as a nice size breast and most of the stuff there don’t fit here even when it’s a European brand, but even without buying at all they all love to look around, touching all the cloths and stuff and how longer she spends here time there in Paragon or Emporium how more I love it just to get my own hands free for half a day.
A good round of massage in BK and banging a great looking girl can cost you all in 2000 till 2500 Thb, that’s only 50 Euro for a top quality treatment, at most parlours in Europe you pay minimum the double or triple for the most lousy 45 min. So called massage, with only a worthless quick jerk off, for FS they ask another 60€ till 100€ more (no way), must be the same or even more in the US, so let here spend a bit money, after all we still better off in BK
John Euro
Is Spice Disco under the Ambassador Hotel still running? It brings me good memories, and next January I'm back off to BKK again.
Any report would be appreciated, especially for after 2 A. M. venues.
Thanks
Only til @6. Makes taking the skytrain home possible.
[QUOTE=Easy Yo]Is Spice Disco under the Ambassador Hotel still running? It brings me good memories, and next January I'm back off to BKK again.
Any report would be appreciated, especially for after 2 A. M. venues.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Triplehans]...Also interested in BDSM/female bondage live shows. Any recommendations would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
One Tree Hill mentioned Bar Bar, and his is right. This place is a full on S&M bar, with many 'themed' private rooms upstairs. It's 900 Baht entry which gets you one drink, drink prices are much higher than other bars, but i forget exactly how much.
On entering, you will be shown to a couch, the bar is very dark and kitted out with cages and crosses and what not. When i went there 9 girls came over and split into groups of 3, there was spanking going on with a paddle, there was hot wax being dripped onto genitals, there was whipping, crawling, all of what you'd expect from S&M i'd guess. After around 10 minutes of watching the girls start trying to get you involved. i have only ever seen one other customer in this bar, its not a bar full of punters. I had a nice 'first' experience in the bar, been meaning to go back for a long time, but just haven't made it yet, like Retired Army says, theres not much to go to PAtpong for, and going all the way just for BarBar hasn't appealed so far.
There is also a similar set up i believe on soi 33, perhaps Big G (Giotto) can lend a post on that one. I have also heard there is an S&M Oil Massage venue in soi 24, but don't recall the name.
My prior "8 outing" report was of my first experience mongering of any kind, and very enjoyable. Problem is, from what I've read, starting out in Bangkok has likely ruined the rest of the world for me :) I can get to Japan, HK, and China more often than BKK, but will I have as much fun? I've truly enjoyed the massage girls in BKK (even where there was no massage involved, like Poseidon and Nataree), but can I find it elsewhere, never mind the price?
Gherkin
[QUOTE=John Euro]A good round of massage in BK and banging a great looking girl can cost you all in 2000 till 2500 Thb, that’s only 50 Euro for a top quality treatment, at most parlours in Europe you pay minimum the double or triple for the most lousy 45 min. So called massage, with only a worthless quick jerk off, for FS they ask another 60€ till 100€ more (no way), must be the same or even more in the US, so let here spend a bit money, after all we still better off in BK
John Euro[/QUOTE]
Hi,
I understand the artists bar on soi 33 have some very nice girls there available to be picked up. From what time does the action start ? Ie if I show up in the afternoon, is there talent available already ? Also, what kind of rates are those freelancers expecting ?
Thanks in advance,
Greetings,
Does anyone know whether the BJ bars require the use of condoms for oral? Also, can anyone recommend a good BJ bar and massage place? I'll be staying near Sukhumvit & Soi 2.
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Mandiri]...
I understand the artists bar on soi 33 have some very nice girls there available to be picked up. From what time does the action start ? Ie if I show up in the afternoon, is there talent available already ? Also, what kind of rates are those freelancers expecting ?
...
[/QUOTE]Mandiri,
Business starts here at 7 pm, some bars are ready for customers at 6 pm.
The bars to go are still unchanged (my POV), Monet, The Office, Renoir and Livingstone's. Watch your bills carefully in Napoleon, Christies and Dali.
Bar fines are expensive in the road - everybody should be aware that this is not a cheap area like Nana or Cowboy. Early barfines are around THB 1,500.00, sometimes higher.
The girls will ask for ST/LT 3,000 / 5,000 . They will go before 11 pm for 2,000 / 4,000 . Late night the prices drop to 1,500 / 2,500 . But some girls will not go for that either. Others might even go for a lower rate, if they desparately need money.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Meaty]...
There is also a similar set up i believe on soi 33, perhaps Big G (Giotto) can lend a post on that one. I have also heard there is an S&M Oil Massage venue in soi 24, but don't recall the name.[/QUOTE]Meaty,
BESTARD! The name of the bar is Desmonia, before it was The Cave. It's in Soi 33, a bit further down the road.
I have never been in there, but I know that you need to wear black clothes to get in. Show, BJ in the bar, I heard about all that, but I never went there up to now, and I never will.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Meaty,
BESTARD! The name of the bar is Desmonia, before it was The Cave. It's in Soi 33, a bit further down the road.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
You mean Demonia not Desmonia right???
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]You mean Demonia not Desmonia right???[/QUOTE]Tansak KTV,
LOL. You obviously know the place? Come on, come across with some more infos :):):) !
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Tansak KTV,
LOL. You obviously know the place? Come on, come across with some more infos :):):) !
Giotto[/QUOTE]
When would I have time to go there? Every night after work I was at the sports bar.
I understand BarBar is supposed to be better then Demonia.
[QUOTE=Gren62]Does anyone know whether the BJ bars require the use of condoms for oral?
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Condoms should most certainly NOT be required for oral sex in blow job bars, Gren, and if any girl tries to impose one you should walk. Can you imagine, a blow job with a condom on? What would be the point of purchasing something like that?
[QUOTE=Gherkin] Problem is, from what I've read, starting out in Bangkok has likely ruined the rest of the world for me :) but can I find it elsewhere, never mind the price?
Gherkin[/QUOTE]Good to share some idea’s on this but if BK was your first mongering trip you probably right, but I would not say it as ruined the rest completely, Thailand is the best so far when it comes to girls, looks, attitude, quantity and quality of service at least according to my years of experience in Asian country’s but in China you can find also a great service and many special treatments and not just a Bang Bang or massage parlour but pricing is higher these day’s, they all getting a bit spoiled due to the booming economy and rip-off is almost par now in some big city’s, have a look at the China forums for the typical Chinese spa’s and small places. HKG is since a long time a pure rip-off and dangerous mongering these day’s, I have been there recently and did not monger at all, many guy’s taking girls up to there room and get drugged and robbed, some get killed this on daily base. Japan is still ok but to many places in Tokyo are now run by black guys and all this as lost his Japanese charm from before, to many Eastern block girls instead op nice Japanese chicks but if you know your way around a bit or have a local friend you will still find nice places with local girls, however the price tag is the highest in the would beside Las Vegas maybe. Jakarta is still a bit like BK but not as good.
John Euro
[QUOTE=Giotto]Mandiri,
Business starts here at 7 pm, some bars are ready for customers at 6 pm.
The bars to go are still unchanged (my POV), Monet, The Office, Renoir and Livingstone's. Watch your bills carefully in Napoleon, Christies and Dali.
Bar fines are expensive in the road - everybody should be aware that this is not a cheap area like Nana or Cowboy. Early barfines are around THB 1,500.00, sometimes higher.
The girls will ask for ST/LT 3,000 / 5,000 . They will go before 11 pm for 2,000 / 4,000 . Late night the prices drop to 1,500 / 2,500 . But some girls will not go for that either. Others might even go for a lower rate, if they desparately need money.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Thanks Giotto for the pointers. Indeed, sounds expensive.
John Euro,
Haven't been to HK, nor China for a number of years but I still remember the good times. In the early 80's it was Korea and I made my last visit in 86 prior to the O-games knowing full well it wouldn't be the same after the games and that prove true. Now it's China turn with it's grownig economy and the O-games this summer one has to wonder if the prices will ever come down again?
[QUOTE=Allover]The 43 yr old Olive is actually pretty famous at Annie's and on this board. There are several of us here that have given her very good reviews. I don't normally go for 40 yr olds but she is special.
Great report, Gherkin. Thanks for posting.[/QUOTE]I agree with you. I was with here a few years ago and she was the best. Had some e-mails but all of a sudden, she needed 100,000 Bt to save the farm. Told her " sorry". Sweet lady however.
[QUOTE=Mandiri]Thanks Giotto for the pointers. Indeed, sounds expensive.[/QUOTE]
Check it out, it can be a nice change of pace. Not as loud, smokey, and crowded as Cowboy or such. A nice place to have a drink with some nice ladies. You're not gonna see someone with a Singha Tank Top and Sandals on 33.
With the way prices have been going, 33 can be about the same as Cowboy for drinks, and you get real drinks not some waterdown tiny [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ant drinks like at cowboy and other places. Generally you not need to buy lady drinks on 33 all the time as you will have company without it and if you do buy lady drink then she's with you for the stay for the most part and not running away to stage or others or whatever. Plus if you are with people you can actually have a conversation there if you want and the food at some places rates from decent to very good. Some of the bars have the local menus and will run out and get you food from the restaurants and such and you can eat there if you like.
More expensive, yes, worth it, up to you, but it is a nice change of pace atleast for me.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Meaty,
BESTARD! The name of the bar is Desmonia, before it was The Cave. It's in Soi 33, a bit further down the road.
I have never been in there, but I know that you need to wear black clothes to get in. Show, BJ in the bar, I heard about all that, but I never went there up to now, and I never will.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
You don't need the black clothes anymore. It is definitely an "interesting place". I had been having a pretty cool relationship with a girl that worked there named Linda (Palinda). She is a great GFE and will do just about anything you want. We used to spend weeks together and it was great. Then of course, instead of me leaving her money when I left, she started messaging me asking for 50,000 Baht. Can you believe she thought i would fall for that one? Then she asked for 25,000 baht because she stopped working at Demonia and needed money. I wanted to tell her that I had a bridge to sell, but it would be too hard to explain and would have lost all of its gusto in the translation.
She still sends me text messages asking for help, but i am not going to fall for it. I want lust not love! Anyway, if you throw the other BS out that I explained earlier, she is very pleasing and accomodating, as well as hot! I give her some credit, she waited until after about 2 years to hit me up for the monthly dough.
As for the bar, it is an S & M place. Interesting to check out once. You can often get HJ or BBBJ, sometimes from several of the girls at the same time, on the couches. For some reason they don't seem to negotiate the price until you are done, but my friend has thrown them a few baht after and they were happy.
I will be in BKK this coming Friday-Tuesday December 7-11 so let me know if anyone wants to get together.
[QUOTE=One Tree Hill]Mostly Cowboy... depends on the cops that day/night.
Nana does not have nude, unless I am missing something. Same for Patpong.[/QUOTE]
I was in Nana a few months ago and the girls were topless. Nothing great or erotic, but I was surprised. I had seen them dance nude in Pattaya, but not in BKK. I can't remember the name of the bar in Nana, but pass the elephant in the entry ally (I kid you not), take the escalator to the 2nd floor and it was either the first or second bar on the right. Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Can anyone tell me about the action at Soprano House, Pegasus, or the private clubs? I have been to Soprano House a few times and the girls are smoking! Almost model material in my book, but too short. I have never actually hit on any of them. Believe it or not we just went for the music and show which was absolutely great. Are the dancers in play? How much do they charge? Is it worth it?
Any thoughts or experiences would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=HappyDaze]Any one know what is closed and what is open in Bangkok on Wednesday, December 5, the King's Birthday?
Thanks for the assistance.[/QUOTE]
ALMOST NOTHING! I have been there twice on the King's birthday, both times by mistake. One time we asked the taxi driver where to go and he took us to this "bar" WAY off the beaten path whose windows were shaded to the outside. He rang a bell (probably collected his commission) and brought us in. My wingman and i took forever to find 2 decent looking girls. the whole scene was grimy. I felt like someone news reporter was going to pop out at any moment and say something like "did you know these girls were sold by their parents in the north in exchange for an ox?" It was really grimy. Not to say I didn't pick a girl for LT, but she wasn't very good and did not seem very happy about doing her job.
I would use the King's Birthday as a total downtime, off day.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Ok, I've picked up the street girls in Chinatown, but I've never seen anything that looked like an actual brothel. And there are Indian brothels? Please, tell me more! Are they cheap? Would they admit a white? I wonder if Indian men hold the line on sai-toongs?[/QUOTE]
Where are the indian brothels? I would like to check that out!
[QUOTE=Taloha]I have gotten a "Z" Pack without prescription many times in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
Can you get Cipro from a pharmacy in BKK or do you need a doctor's script?
[QUOTE=Juiceguy]Can you get Cipro from a pharmacy in BKK or do you need a doctor's script?[/QUOTE]
No need script, many pharmacies have it, if you are in doubt I know they have it at a pharmacy by Nana. Between King Tailor's and Bully's are two pharmacies that carry just about everything under the sun. Starting at the gas station walk toward marriott, you'll pass King's Tailor and if you hit Bully's Restaraunt you've gone too far.
I will be in BK for 18 hours tomorow from 22.00 till 16.00 the other day ..
what do you guys recomend I do ? in such short time?
thanks
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Check it out, it can be a nice change of pace. Not as loud, smokey, and crowded as Cowboy or such. A nice place to have a drink with some nice ladies. You're not gonna see someone with a Singha Tank Top and Sandals on 33.
With the way prices have been going, 33 can be about the same as Cowboy for drinks, and you get real drinks not some waterdown tiny [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] ant drinks like at cowboy and other places. Generally you not need to buy lady drinks on 33 all the time as you will have company without it and if you do buy lady drink then she's with you for the stay for the most part and not running away to stage or others or whatever. Plus if you are with people you can actually have a conversation there if you want and the food at some places rates from decent to very good. Some of the bars have the local menus and will run out and get you food from the restaurants and such and you can eat there if you like.
More expensive, yes, worth it, up to you, but it is a nice change of pace atleast for me.[/QUOTE]
Fair enough, Sir. Sounds interesting, I appreciate your views. Will go there sometime and report back. Thank you.
[QUOTE=Percent99]I will be in BK for 18 hours tomorow from 22.00 till 16.00 the other day ..
what do you guys recomend I do ? in such short time?
thanks[/QUOTE]
Plenty of time. If I were you. Airport -> Hotel on Suk (checked in by 23:30) -> Cowboy (by midnight). Find girl before closing -> Hotel for LT, out of bed and off to airport about 13:00.
Stayed at Dynasty Grande on Soi 6. This place is totally girl-friendly, as long as you only bring home 1 girl at a time. The girl has to register at the frontdesk and leave her id, which equates to more protection to us mongers.
I also spent a few days in Cambodia, which I think has a long way to go in the areas of transportation, food and hotel. Cambodian girls are similar to Thai girls, perhaps a bit darker. Anyways back to the main topic.
I spent every evening at the Beer Garden on Soi 7, not because I lived on Soi 6, but I really liked how the scene is operated there. Although I did venture over to Soi Cowboy one night, but didn't stay long. At the BG you'll find non-pros. I make that statement because after doing business with me, I don't see them for at least a few days - meaning that they only come to the BG when money is needed to support the family. Of course, not true in every case, but I can always spot a non-pro.
I also visited the Nana entertainment plaza one day, but left shortly. It's a different version of Soi Cowboy.
Being a middle-aged man, I tend to go for the more mature ladies. For this trip, the ladies' ages ranged from 25 to 40 - I would take a younger lady near closing time. Fortunately during this trip, I managed to bring a girl back to hotel every night. It's not that hard, actually, at the BG there are typically 2-3 girls for every guy. Of course, some are really dogs, but nicer looking ones are not hard to come by - for my taste anyways. And true to the forum, I never paid more than 1,500baht for LT and sometimes they only ask for 1,000, which I gladly obliged.
So picked up girl at BG, then walked back to the hotel via Soi 4 and picked up some fruits or have a nice plate of spicy pad-thai (40baht) at the food stalls along the way. Then the usual activities and sleep and then shag some more in the moring. Repeat that for 8 days and I thought I was in heaven.
The 1st night was the 40 year old lady. Short and slightly chubby, but kind and full of class. 2nd night was the 25 year old Chinese-Thai mix. 3rd night I ended up at the Nana parking lot and picked up a 35 year old lady. Tall and not so pretty (she was pretty from far and it was way past 2am so I went for it anyways) and a smoker. One night was interesting. I met this pair at BG: Nam and Anne. They were both very talkative and I paid for drinks. Anyways, Nam was showing me the ropes. Apparently if you see someone you like, making eye contact is not enough, you should ask the bartender to send her a drink. This way, there is no misunderstanding. I followed her advice and was able to connect with someone I liked. Anne left with another gentleman, so I took my girl and Nam to the hardrock cafe for some live music. When I left for the hotel with my girl, Nam was asking for money!!! WTF! I was half drunk and wanted to thank her for giving me that tip, but I didn't have 500baht, so I gave her 1,000 - which I knew was too much. Anyways, back at the hotel my girl was asking for 3,000baht because she said I gave nam 1,000 for doing nothing, so she wanted more. Fcuk! Not exactly the right time to have a price disagreement. But I stuck to my guns and stood firm on 1,500 and she eventually gave in. She was a good laid - she even talked dirty to me ;-). Armed with the new knowledge, my next night was another total score. (Btw Nam was nowhere to be found!) Picked up another lady who was only 26, recently seperated from her boyfriend (which I take with a grain of salt), but she has no stretch mark, so could be true in this case. This one was totally GFE. Didn't ask for money, but I gave her the usual amount. Another night I picked up this 27 year old. Unfortunately I got paged and had to spent a few hours to attend to some business, but she waited quietly in bed. There was another tidbit with this girl. I met a friend at BG who was interested in her at first, but he had to leave early. She needed the money, so I took her back to my hotel for straight company. I didn't want to bang her because that would be disrespectful to my friend. Thank God I spent a few hours working that night, otherwise it would have more painful. In the end, I fingered her and she was bucking like a crazy horse... Sorry Hans.
I have to say that the GFE ones are most dangerous. They are absolutely addictive! I even thought about making one my mistress! But most of the girls have regular jobs and were married and have children which was why they needed to supplement their regular income.
Amazingly my performance was getting better day-by-day, I guess practice makes perfect. At the end of my trip, I was banging the girl for at least 30 minutes straight until both of us were drenched in sweet sweat. I still remember she screamed "oye oye oye..." with the beat. I think I'll come back again.
Good story, but: 1000Bht for some (apologies: fairly obvious) advice!
On my first trip, on a very hot day, I got lost a few hundred yards from my hotel, so asked a taxi driver to give me a lift back. He over-quoted 100Bht, and I was so pleased to be rescued I gave him 500Bht (still nothing like London prices). I still feel a complete mug to this day.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Stayed at Dynasty Grande on Soi 6. This place is totally girl-friendly, as long as you only bring home 1 girl at a time. The girl has to register at the frontdesk and leave her id, which equates to more protection to us mongers.
I also spent a few days in Cambodia, which I think has a long way to go in the areas of transportation, food and hotel. Cambodian girls are similar to Thai girls, perhaps a bit darker. Anyways back to the main topic.
I spent every evening at the Beer Garden on Soi 7, not because I lived on Soi 6, but I really liked how the scene is operated there. Although I did venture over to Soi Cowboy one night, but didn't stay long. At the BG you'll find non-pros. I make that statement because after doing business with me, I don't see them for at least a few days. Meaning that they only come to the BG when money is needed to support the family. Of course, not true in every case, but I can always spot a non-pro. I also visited the Nana entertainment plaza one day, but left shortly. It's a different version of Soi Cowboy.
Being a middle-aged man, I tend to go for the more mature ladies. For this trip, the ladies' ages ranged from 25 to 40. I would take a younger lady near closing time. Fortunately during this trip, I managed to bring a girl back to hotel every night. It's not that hard, actually, at the BG there are typically 2-3 girls for every guy. Of course, some are really dogs, but nicer looking ones are not hard to come by. For my taste anyways. And true to the forum, I never paid more than 1, 500baht for LT and sometimes they only ask for 1, 000, which I gladly obliged.
So picked up girl at BG, then walked back to the hotel via Soi 4 and picked up some fruits or have a nice plate of spicy pad-thai (40baht) at the food stalls along the way. Then the usual activities and sleep and then shag some more in the moring. Repeat that for 8 days and I thought I was in heaven.
The 1st night was the 40 year old lady. Short and slightly chubby, but kind and full of class. 2nd night was the 25 year old Chinese-Thai mix. 3rd night I ended up at the Nana parking lot and picked up a 35 year old lady. Tall and not so pretty (she was pretty from far and it was way past 2am so I went for it anyways) and a smoker. One night was interesting. I met this pair at BG: Nam and Anne. They were both very talkative and I paid for drinks. Anyways, Nam was showing me the ropes. Apparently if you see someone you like, making eye contact is not enough, you should ask the bartender to send her a drink. This way, there is no misunderstanding. I followed her advice and was able to connect with someone I liked. Anne left with another gentleman, so I took my girl and Nam to the hardrock cafe for some live music. When I left for the hotel with my girl, Nam was asking for money! WTF! I was half drunk and wanted to thank her for giving me that tip, but I didn't have 500baht, so I gave her 1, 000. Which I knew was too much. Anyways, back at the hotel my girl was asking for 3, 000baht because she said I gave nam 1, 000 for doing nothing, so she wanted more. Fcuk! Not exactly the right time to have a price disagreement. But I stuck to my guns and stood firm on 1, 500 and she eventually gave in. She was a good laid. She even talked dirty to me;.). Armed with the new knowledge, my next night was another total score. (Btw Nam was nowhere to be found! ) Picked up another lady who was only 26, recently seperated from her boyfriend (which I take with a grain of salt), but she has no stretch mark, so could be true in this case. This one was totally GFE. Didn't ask for money, but I gave her the usual amount. Another night I picked up this 27 year old. Unfortunately I got paged and had to spent a few hours to attend to some business, but she waited quietly in bed. There was another tidbit with this girl. I met a friend at BG who was interested in her at first, but he had to leave early. She needed the money, so I took her back to my hotel for straight company. I didn't want to bang her because that would be disrespectful to my friend. Thank God I spent a few hours working that night, otherwise it would have more painful. In the end, I fingered her and she was bucking like a crazy horse. Sorry Hans.
I have to say that the GFE ones are most dangerous. They are absolutely addictive! I even thought about making one my mistress! But most of the girls have regular jobs and were married and have children which was why they needed to supplement their regular income.
Amazingly my performance was getting better day-by-day, I guess practice makes perfect. At the end of my trip, I was banging the girl for at least 30 minutes straight until both of us were drenched in sweet sweat. I still remember she screamed "oye oye oye. " with the beat. I think I'll come back again. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]John Euro,
In the early 80's it was Korea and I made my last visit in 86 prior to the O-games knowing full well it wouldn't be the same after the games and that prove true. Now it's China turn with it's grownig economy and the O-games this summer one has to wonder if the prices will ever come down again?[/QUOTE]I had similar experiences in Korea , I have been there maybe 10 times in the golden years before the Olympics with excellent P4P experiences and was there only one time after the games , the whole bar and nightlife and pricing was completely changed and the attitude from the girls was up in the wrong direction , game over and out . I have been two month ago 3 times in Shanghai and Beijing , big change against my previous visit few years before and I am a bit afraid it will go the same way as Korea after the Olympics , it started already that way in Beijing . Let’s hope for us that Thailand will never organise the games.
John Euro
Background: Middle-aged, in relationship at home, some prior experience in Germany and the UK.
Arrived in Bangkok and after some wandering in a daze decided to try a straight Thai massage recommended in Lonely Planet – after declining the profferred extras, I found the service rather perfunctory but still good value. Had not been able to get a room at Livingstone’s Lodge so went to soi 33 just to visit the bar but found it closed for a private party so visited Sazanka MP for the full monty, and was happy with the service. Next day I had to fly to another country on business, returned to BKK a week later, was met at the airport by very respectable Thai friends who I knew would insist in their polite way on seeing me safely checked-in, so to spare blushes I had booked at the Davis, to transfer to Livingstone’s next night (every time afterwards that they came to collect me, I waited for them at the Novotel Lotus next door). Finally got to go to LL Sports Bar and had a great time surrounded by four girls, buying them all drinks, at closing time I had a tortuous decision to make as I decided to limit to two! Decided on one who had faithfully been caressing me all evening on my right (who spoke some English) and another (more lively one) who I had done some great dancing with (but who spoke no English). Mamasan came over to tell me the price for LT, decided not to haggle and even paid over the odds due to lack of local currency.
Got to the room and once in bed safely sandwiched, looking forward to my two-girl all night fantasy. Initially I preferred the quieter one but before very long she was sound asleep and the lively one who had at first seemed a bit too much came into her own; we both took a lot of pleasure. Woke up with a phone going off at 6 am, the quiet one got up and left telling me the other would take care of me. Slept on till 9am when the other one got up, offered me more fun (I declined) and left with a mutually affectionate hug. Having indulged the two-girl fantasy, I don’t think I would do it again, or not LT as sleep not too easy; probably the best thing about it is it improves the odds of finding a nice compatibility.
I went off to Krabi peninsular for some beach experience at Ao Nang and Railee, the latter described as the most beautiful beach in Thailand by Lonely Planet - well I found tourist Thailand something of a washed-out experience after BKK (I mean this in general terms and I don’t mean the lack of available girls). Changed my flight to come back early so I could take a look at Pattaya, didn’t think it would be my cup of tea but had to see it as I was not expecting ever to return to Thailand. So I visited Angel Witch, threw some ping-pong balls and saw some lovely girls putting on a great show and exchanged some smiles but I found it all a bit too in your face, my smile was a bit rictus, so looked in at Tahitian Queen (even more in your face and girls more bored), then to soi 6 to Full Moon bar – very quiet. A girl came up to me on the sofa, not the most attractive girl I have ever met by some distance but very slim and petite (opposite to my normal diet at home) and affectionate, did not expect to go with her but found my body had other ideas. So we agreed a very reasonable LT rate and bar fine and we jumped on the backs of a couple of motorbikes to the Sabai Resort (good hotel btw). She left her ID at the desk and so to the room - where my body continued to take over, she was so affectionate all night, in the morning she asked me if she would see me again, I told her maybe, she knew it meant no, I felt a bit of a heel but pleased I had been straight with her.
To BKK for the last night of my trip, very happy to return to Livingstone’s (such a great hotel in its own right and all the staff just great). On impulse went for a massage at a place I was passing on soi 33/1, not intending to have any extras - the girl was amazing, so bubbly and happy and she begged me to have a doubled up oily session with another girl, which happened to be another fantasy so I agreed - they did a great service and of course my no-extras notion was short-lived. Decided to drop in at Livingstone’s sports bar before I put to bed for an early night, could not see any familiar faces from last time so decided to have one drink then leave. Then it all started to go out of control - suddenly both girls from last week materialised magically in front of me - huge hug with the lively one, she massaging my back and shoulders for a long time, then the dancing started again, wound up with the sports TV being turned off and two of us dancing on the high podium and all the girls cheering us on and giving us small bills to encourage us - what a night. We played some foursome pool with another couple and then I started to feel I was becoming part of a couple and acquiring a girlfriend, I didn’t want a girlfriend, in any case I was leaving tomorrow, and she spoke no English. So for better of worse, I told her I had to sleep, was very tired, and I wanted to leave, her friend tried to dissuade me, mamasan ditto, but those reports of tearful goodbyes at the airport came back to me and I couldn’t bear the idea of all that, so I left, she was so sweet to me as I left, no anger at all (breaks my heart to think of it now).
Anyhow, I slept soundly, went to the airport, checked in, walking to passport control, thinking how good it will be to get home when suddenly and completely out of the blue I got hit by an emotional tsunami that left me without thoughts but the certain knowledge that more had happened to me in Thailand than I realised at that moment and that I would be coming back.
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[QUOTE=Mick Licker]the complexly choreographed dance routines were confined to a particular dance pair, with one girl being slightly more skilled than the other [/QUOTE]I think I know who you are talking about. I used to go in there fairly regularly but then stopped for quite a few months which is probably when most of the dancers changed. There was that show with the 2 girls who used to wear the white outfits with the fairy/angel wings which I specifically remember being particularly good in the dancing and looks dept.
[QUOTE]Could have been Z... who left this pair, I don't know. The one who left was reasonably tall and had a good body and I can't recall anything about the fake tits. Do you remember their trench-coat, and bowler hat routine? [/QUOTE]Yes, my favourite show used to be the rock show with ACDC playing. Z-- had an amazing toned body (later ruined for me by the fake tits), but not such a good face, pretty enough but really bad skin. Her friend who usually danced the same shows as her was particularly attractive and had immaculate hair, make up etc, but they are both gone as of last time I was there. I am sure they will be back at some point.
[QUOTE]The "white haired" girl does seem to be "up herself" somewhat.
Its not unusual to find bar-girls who have become quite "up themselves".
Not sure if they were always like that or if the bar has changed them.[/QUOTE]It's funny because I always wonder about similar things. I havent spoken to white haired girl yet, but she does look like she has been around the block a couple of times, she must have worked elsewhere on the scene before coming to Long Gun. I dont think she has been there more than about 6 months.
[QUOTE] So thankfully for the bar, she had to get the knickers off. She was quite pissed off about this despite normally getting her knickers off quite regularly on the stage[/QUOTE]I would have loved to have seen that! She does seem a little less reserved about prancing around nude than some of the other show dancers, I wonder what she would be like back in the room... I am interested in finding out, but her attitude may be the killer for me. Next time I am in there I will go down the lady-drink route and see what that yields. BTW, funnily enough when I was in Pattaya a couple of weeks ago I actually saw her on Walking Street hanging on to some dude, both a little worse for wear. I guess he barfined her for the weekend or something.
[QUOTE=Azur1639]My vote for the "top dancer" at this time would certainly be Nan, the very white skinned Japanese-looking one who had curly hair before, but recently made it straight and it looks much better now. She is hot as hell, in my opinion, and an excellent performer as well. Unfortunetly (but expectedly) she seems to be alittle cold with customers she doesn't know. In addition, i hear that her rate is THB 3k ST, 5k LT.[/QUOTE]Interesting about her rates, I didnt know that. I used to talk to her at one stage but she can be hard work so I dont bother so much now. She has a stunning body (by my tastes), but I notice she has put on a few extra kilos recently. I wonder if she is pregnant, or just eating to much.
[QUOTE]Still, i keep coming back to LG because of the fun atmosphere, good shows and nice girls. Great place to hang out and relax. I have had more overall fun in that place than any other go-go in Thailand.[/QUOTE]I agree, Long Gun is nice to hang out in because there is virtually no pressure and no irratating waitresses and past their shelf life dancers annoying you for buy-me-drink and all that nonsense.
[QUOTE=L A Guy]Interesting about her rates, I didnt know that. I used to talk to her at one stage but she can be hard work so I dont bother so much now. She has a stunning body (by my tastes), but I notice she has put on a few extra kilos recently. I wonder if she is pregnant, or just eating to much.
I agree, Long Gun is nice to hang out in because there is virtually no pressure and no irratating waitresses and past their shelf life dancers annoying you for buy-me-drink and all that nonsense.[/QUOTE]
She is probably putting on weight from drinking too many tequilas (gets drunk often), if I have got the right girl who looks half Japanese and has certainly put on weight (was doing the fairy show recently too) although her skinny dance partner N*** downs a lot of tequilas too without any apparent effect.
I like getting the boss at Long Gun drunk too, so that everyone can relax and have a good time.
Dolls House also seems to be a fun bar!
Checking out the Grace Hotel on Soi 3 in the last 2 weeks on my walks in the afternoon and evenings, I was surprised to see many P4P ladies outside on the sidewalk similar to the Nana Hotel. This was around 11 p. M. There were no Russians there and nothing to write home about, although indoors my T3 scanner spotted a few 200 pound East European ladies. The best the hotel had to offer was the ping pong and pool tables next to a bowling alley. It also may be a feel safe place for those who are paranoid about year end bombings.
[QUOTE=L A Guy]Interesting about her rates, I didnt know that. I used to talk to her at one stage but she can be hard work so I dont bother so much now. She has a stunning body (by my tastes), but I notice she has put on a few extra kilos recently. I wonder if she is pregnant, or just eating to much.[/QUOTE]Honestly, the extra weight makes her just right, in my opinion. Her current dance partner is very nice also, but alittle too slim for my taste. The information on her rates came from another girl and i have yet to confirm it with her, but it would not surprise me at all. She is indeed hard work and seems generally uninterested in going with customers.
[QUOTE=Azur1639]Honestly, the extra weight makes her just right, in my opinion. Her current dance partner is very nice also, but alittle too slim for my taste. The information on her rates came from another girl and i have yet to confirm it with her, but it would not surprise me at all. She is indeed hard work and seems generally uninterested in going with customers.[/QUOTE]I admit I am partial to a little extra padding :) I cant picture her dance partner off the top of my head right now. Not sure if the uninterested part is down to her specifically not wanting to, or because she has a complex of sorts. The few times I spoke to her she seemed quite shy and gave me the whole "farangs dont like me and never want to talk to me" routine. As a result her english is not really good and her attitude comes across as really stand-offish, although she seems to warm up over time. Too much hard work for me though, it is like you have to start again from scratch every time you go in there. Interestingly, according to her she used to be the cashier there for about 3 years before she started dancing.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]She is probably putting on weight from drinking too many tequilas (gets drunk often), if I have got the right girl who looks half Japanese and has certainly put on weight [/QUOTE]
Yeah she used to have frizzy curlyish hair but recently it has been straightned. She has really white skin for a Thai girl also. Unusual features, I get the Japanese comparison, she almost looks like a anime character :)
[QUOTE]I like getting the boss at Long Gun drunk too, so that everyone can relax and have a good time.[/QUOTE]The best time I ever had in there was when one of the mamasans (at least I think it was a mamasan, a really chubby woman) got on the stage and started doing all the dance routines. She was fully clothed but it was really funny and all the girls were getting into it and cheering, throwing money at her etc. The bar stayed open really late that night for some reason and everyone was partying. Maybe she choreographs the shows or something because she knew and peformed the whole ACDC routine despite her bulk! I have seen her in Rawhide more often than in LG.
I just recently spent 9days in Bangkok for a second time this year.
I stayed at Majestic suites at both times and growing like the place for its great location and friendly staff.
[QUOTE=L A Guy]Yeah she used to have frizzy curlyish hair but recently it has been straightned. She has really white skin for a Thai girl also. Unusual features, I get the Japanese comparison, she almost looks like a anime character :)[/QUOTE]ol, she really does look like an anime girl doesn't she.
Sooner or later I am just going to try and take her because she is just too hot to be ignored. I agree with you completely about the stand-offish (but not too stuck up) attitude. If anyone has tried taking her out before please share your experience, I'm very curious about how she is in the bedroom.
i have been a monger in sea for about 15 years. before, i was always focused on fs, getting girls from soi cowboy and nep, but since i get the hints from this forum, i have more options.
arrived dec. 1st, after relaxing an hour at the pool, took a short walk to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. chose ‘ma’, cute face, but a little bit chubby (who cares for bj). behind the curtain, i had a good session. bbbj from a girl with tongue piercing gives a special feeling. bj was great, ball sucking, ass touching and she let me play with her titts and pussy. very good session, except the last 10 seconds, as she didn’t do cim. which made an excellent bbbj worse. damage: 700bj+100tip+2drinks, arround 1000b. went to soi cowboy at arround 9pm. after some warm up at cheevas and baccara, went to afterschool. i knew they try to pull drinks, and i played the game, but just with one girl (da). was fun and she knew how to make me horny. went to naughty boys corner, start little bj, finished with hj, nice technique. damage: 660 for drinks (incl. 6! ladies drinks), 400 hj and 100 tip = 1160b.
second day, went to patpong, s. o. l at 04:30pm. i was there last year and was sucked in the bar, but this year i had a problem to get hard. 5-6 other guys were busy in the bar which made me probably a bit shy. i took a deep sip of my beer. getting better. asked another girl to join. much better. they are really experts, got me to the top within some minutes. (i think the names were nang and uan). damage: 2 x 700, 2 x 100 tip, 2 ld, 2 beers: arrond 2000b. i’ll go again, but i will try to choose another time, when it’s not that busy.
after dinner, went to magic tables and to the ‘sister’ bar next door (ring bar). the two bars share the short time rooms upstairs. funny, they have different policies. in magic tables, they do it the ordinary way, 400b for the room, and negotiate the price with girls. in ring bar they have a little ‘menu’, starting with 800b for a quicky, until 2500b with 2 girls full service. didn’t try the room, but payed bar fine for a girl in magic tables. suai, much dfk and good bbbj, gfe in bed. what a contrast to the hard core session in sol. but that’s what i like – the whole spectrum.
next stop – angel or rainbow
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OK folks, want some input and what to do in the middle of the night in BKK.
I hear some markets are open late but which ones, what are the good places to eat in the middle of the night (not need to be restaurants even street places are perfect), I know there are some all night massage places and such but not really looking at trying to pick up a lady at those hours.
But seriously, I need some advice on what to do in the middle of the night and I'm not talking about where to find a girl, I'm talking about what to do besides / after shagging.
I see lists of everything on this site except what to do after hours.
Tansak, assuming that you don't have a long-time friend with you from 2 am to 8 am, you might try sleeping. Most of the rest of the world uses this time for this purpose.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Tansak, assuming that you don't have a long-time friend with you from 2 am to 8 am, you might try sleeping. Most of the rest of the world uses this time for this purpose.[/QUOTE]
Sleep?? Nah... that's what work is for during the day. The only part I'm awake for during the day is lunch time. And I usually do have a long time friend next to me.
Tansak,
You mention markets and massage etc, but if you want to carry the party on until the wee hours, you could try some of the 'after hour' bars. You usually see the touts outside of Nana trying to take you in their taxis. I was at first sceptical however, being in a group of 4 guys, we decided to give it a whirl. They only charged about 50bht for the taxi (which would only cost base rate 35 really) and we encountered none of the expected problems with following touts. We were taken to a couple of smallish bar/clubs with quite loud music but plenty of freelancers as well as freebies. They advertised as being open until 6am from what I remember but this was earlier this year. expect an entrance fee which includes 1-2 free drinks and drinks after that at approx 130-150bht.
Sid
I used to sit on Sukhumvit at one of those tables on the pavement where they serve beer and food. Thousands of girls who have finished work and are out for a girl, so you don't have to worry about going home alone. It is just a fantastic place to sit and watch the world go by, or have a few drinks with friends and strangers alike.
Is it just me or did that last sentence sound like a line from a theme song from some crappy sitcom?
For part 1, please read chiangmai thread
Part 2 (i) – Bangkok
Sazanka Korean Massage
After finishing my meeting, I asked to be drop at BTS station so that I can roam about myself. Recalled Giotto famous report on the various massage scene and went to search for the famous Sazanka. Followed the directions and found it easily(thanks Giotto)
Went in took a seat and looked at the 6 available gals. Took a fancy to one of them with pretty large boobs with rating as 16%. As I was about to point, I notice another with a rating of 33%!! My goddess! I ask papasan and he highly recommends her. Since its my 1st time, decided to try a tested and proven girl. Standing at about 150 and weighing only mid 40s kg, Mee is not a looker but makes up in the attitude department.
As I put my valuables into the locker, Mee was already waiting for me at the stairs. She greeted me with a warm smile and took my hands as we go upstairs. Had a small talk with her and off we went to the wet room downstairs.
The bath or scrub was great. She scrub me from toe to head and from head to toe and was very playful during the scrub. She would intentionally pour water over Junior and start to giggle, asking “why sleeping?” Anyway for the scrub, It started off using gloves to get rid of the dead skin and eventually piled salt over the body. (wondered why salt?) anyway washed off the salt and wash my hair. It was one of the most thorough wash in my entire life. Felt like having a set of new skin after that. This scrub and wash lasted for a good 45 mins.
After she helped me dry myself, we went up again and I lay down on the bed while she went to get the tools. She came in with a big pail and a basket. While lying face down, she piled the hot towels over my back and start the massage. To prevent the heat from escaping too fast, she even put a plastic over the towel. It was refreshing, but lasted about 5-10 mins. She removed the towels and start with her massage.
The bed somehow creaked loudly when she press me down, her fren next door was teasing her about it(my guess). think she was abit embarrassed about it and did not give a hard massage. Anyway, it was good enough. When the back is done, she ask me to turn over and I realised the room was almost pitched dark. She went on for a little longer before touching me softly, caressing my body.
I need no invitation and start roaming. Mee has small boobs and very flat tummy. She climb onto my body and started simulating cowgirl style, rocking and moaning abit, gripping junior with her hand, arching backwards while still facing me. I grabbed her boobs and tried to go inside, met with some resistance. Maybe they are not allowed or something. Anyway, just fondle them with clothes on while she work on junior. she came down and started jerking junior. we exchanged some light kisses and bites. after a while Junior went into ecstasy and unloaded. She went to clean up and brought me a cup of hot tea while I rest on the bed. Mee came in and helped me change and we chatted again.
She looked at me with her very innocent eyes and asked when I am coming back. Almost like a gf waiting for her guy to come back for dinner kind. I told her “soon” and she smiled, reminding me that she is off the next day. She walked me down and we parted.
Paid 1380 baht at the counter. Was wondering why it is called Sazanka Korean Massage, is it because it’s the name of the shop or the shop is named after this kind of massage. Tried asking the counter girl but she apparently did not know how to answer me too. Any one can enlighten?
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Part 2 (ii)
Maleen Massage (sukhumvit 23)
Had a meeting in the afternoon, so decided to try my luck in the morning. Rem the last time I had a good massage Maleen with a happy ending. Went there again to try. This place is located towards the end of soi 23 away from soi cowboy. On sukhumvit soi 23 shell station, keep walking for about 5-7 mins, past Tai Pan hotel. Keep walking and look on your right. It’s a small shop just before the junction.
Reach there at about 11 am. The girl I had the last time coming at 1 pm. There was only another girl and a male masseur. I told the boss I want girl massage, in case he assign me to the male, had a unpleasant time with a male masseur the day before, felt funny being touch by guys… not my preference for sure.
Anyway, Jen walked me up to the massage area above and ask me to change to the the thai massage outfit. I went to my old trick again and she stumbled upon junior staring at her, with the pants in my hands. As usual I was trying to figure out how to wear that oversize pants and she came over to help me. I pretend to wobble abit and had to hold her shoulders for support while she tries to get my legs into the pants. Junior was only about 10 cm away from her face. Thinking back, I sure did regret not planting junior onto her face then. Cheap trill? Ya, but I like.
She start her massage which is very strong and good! Its probable the best massage for the past few days. She was abit too talkative and asked me many things. She is about 29 and not married, have a boyfren and hates marriage commitment, think farangs’ dick are too big and painful, prefer asian one blah blah…
I reciprocate a little and we talk some dirty stuff and got me excited. During the massage, she would just (openly) grab and caress junior. I just lay back and enjoy the attention. On and off, I would also caress her boobs, medium size, prob cup B and very soft. She would also take my hand and offer me to squeeze her tits. Did I refuse? Hell NO!
At the end of a very good massage, she says, ‘ok, finished’ so I smiled and pulled her tits towards my face, burying them into her soft assets, asking her “anything else?” she reached down and started touching junior again while I continue with her tits.
While stroking, she ask how much I want to pay her. I told her market rate then. She told me its her 1st time providing special(Yah right…!!) and doesn’t know the rate. Then I asked her how much she want, in the end she reply 400bht. Looks like she really doesn’t know. Haha. I think I was too excited till forgot to negotiate. Anyway I agreed and she agreed to do a good job.
She starts working and I likewise. Lifted up her tshirt and grab her soft tits. Due to the earlier build up, ended within 5 mins. Damn… have not even remove her bra…
Change, paid her 400 and went downstairs to pay boss 300 baht for 90 mins of good thai massage. Anyway, this shop has good pricing policy. Its 60 mins for 250 baht and 120 min for 350baht. Would recommend if anyone wants a good massage plus specials. Left satisfied. Coming back for the previous girl who has much better boobs. Forgot her name though. Still enough time for a quick lunch before meeting start.
For part 3, please refer to Hatyai thread
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I am in Bangkok for 4 nights.
I would like to visit
1. Go-Go bars with full nudity and
2. Massage parlours
I will spend a lot if I can enjoy Bangkok
Where do I go for beautiful and good looking girls, exceptionally good sex/massage and safe and clean place
Please reccomend the BEST places irrespective of cost
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]But seriously, I need some advice on what to do in the middle of the night and I'm not talking about where to find a girl, I'm talking about what to do besides / after shagging.
I see lists of everything on this site except what to do after hours. [/QUOTE]Depends on what you like. With your initials I'd suggest what I do. Watch TV. That should kill off a few Aeons.
I also like to eat, shower, read, enjoy Thai music. Some exercise after sexercise can also be healthy. Anyone for disco?
It seems that you already know about the internet. That should drain many more ages.
In place of bird watching those hours offer plenty of katooey meat. Maybe we could play a game called, spot the cross dresser?
In Nov. I crashed early one night and woke up at 5:30 AM. It was still dark so I went out to the Nana Plaza to see what was gong on. There were girls still working the parking lot! In front of Nana, a 50ish Mamasan asked me if I was interested in her 26 year old? and very drunk girl. I was not so I told her I only had 500 bht just to see her reaction and she looked very concerned and said “that’s not enough” so I moved on. I crossed SUK where there were still more than a dozen girls working. A young girl grabbed my arm and I told her I only had 500 and she said “let’s go.” That’s what goes on at 5:30 AM. As the sun comes up, the girls fade away.
In Nov. I crashed early one night and woke up at 5:30 AM. It was still dark so I went out to the Nana Plaza to see what was going on. There were girls still working the parking lot! In front of Nana, a 50ish Mamasan asked me if I was interested in her 26 year old? and very drunk girl. I was not so I told her I only had 500 bht just to see her reaction and she looked very concerned and said “that’ not enough” so I moved on. I crossed SUK where there were still more than a dozen girls working. A young girl grabbed my arm and I told her I only had 500 and she said “let’s go.” That’s what goes on at 5:30 AM. As the sun comes up, the girls fade away.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Depends on what you like. With your initials I'd suggest what I do. Watch TV. That should kill off a few Aeons.
I also like to eat, shower, read, enjoy Thai music. Some exercise after sexercise can also be healthy. Anyone for disco?
It seems that you already know about the internet. That should drain many more ages.
In place of bird watching those hours offer plenty of katooey meat. Maybe we could play a game called, spot the cross dresser?[/QUOTE]
Nah... rarely watch TV. No music, overdose on music due to other work I have, and Internet I'm on all the time.
Seriously, disco or all night clubs or such. Used to have a GF until last trip then we stopped that, have a girl who wants to be GF but I honestly don't sleep much so after shagging and such it's hard to find things to do and work is a complete bore that I can do that in my sleep, it's all politics and I just need to shop up and be on call a lot.
Agree with exercise but generally the room is shut down at those hours even asking them to open up is a hassle most the time and the pools are OK for a little swim but that gets old after a while. I enjoy BKK obviously just wondering if there is something out there for the late late nights or early early mornings that I haven't figured out yet. Looks like there isn't so far.
So thanks for the replies so far.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]OK folks, want some input and what to do in the middle of the night in BKK.
I hear some markets are open late but which ones, what are the good places to eat in the middle of the night (not need to be restaurants even street places are perfect)[/QUOTE]I think you can find street food 24/7, but would not recommend it for
health reasons. Foodland on soi 5 is open all day and night, as is the Villa Market at soi 11. Possibly the Golden Arches soi 19 and Mr. Sub near NEP intersection as well.
[quote=bamboo pete]i have been a monger in sea for about 15 years. before, i was always focused on fs, getting girls from soi cowboy and nep, but since i get the hints from this forum, i have more options.
arrived dec. 1st, after relaxing an hour at the pool, took a short walk to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url]. chose ‘ma’, cute face, but a little bit chubby (who cares for bj). behind the curtain, i had a good session. bbbj from a girl with tongue piercing gives a special feeling. bj was great, ball sucking, ass touching and she let me play with her titts and pussy. very good session, except the last 10 seconds, as she didn’t do cim. which made an excellent bbbj worse. damage: 700bj+100tip+2drinks, arround 1000b. went to soi cowboy at arround 9pm. after some warm up at cheevas and baccara, went to afterschool. i knew they try to pull drinks, and i played the game, but just with one girl (da). was fun and she knew how to make me horny. went to naughty boys corner, start little bj, finished with hj, nice technique. damage: 660 for drinks (incl. 6! ladies drinks), 400 hj and 100 tip = 1160b.
second day, went to patpong, s. o. l at 04:30pm. i was there last year and was sucked in the bar, but this year i had a problem to get hard. 5-6 other guys were busy in the bar which made me probably a bit shy. i took a deep sip of my beer. getting better. asked another girl to join. much better. they are really experts, got me to the top within some minutes. (i think the names were nang and uan). damage: 2 x 700, 2 x 100 tip, 2 ld, 2 beers: arrond 2000b. i’ll go again, but i will try to choose another time, when it’s not that busy.
after dinner, went to magic tables and to the ‘sister’ bar next door (ring bar). the two bars share the short time rooms upstairs. funny, they have different policies. in magic tables, they do it the ordinary way, 400b for the room, and negotiate the price with girls. in ring bar they have a little ‘menu’, starting with 800b for a quicky, until 2500b with 2 girls full service. didn’t try the room, but payed bar fine for a girl in magic tables. suai, much dfk and good bbbj, gfe in bed. what a contrast to the hard core session in sol. but that’s what i like – the whole spectrum.
next stop – angel or rainbow
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i'm pretty sure i paid 600b, just over 2 months ago. is it 700b now, or am i wrong? seems like they keep on raising prices.
Spice Club below Ambassador Hotel. All night disco, 300b inc a drink. Skytrain home @ sunrise.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Tansak, assuming that you don't have a long-time friend with you from 2 am to 8 am, you might try sleeping. Most of the rest of the world uses this time for this purpose.[/QUOTE]
What a waste to sleep away the pleasantly cool late-night hours, 2041. I much prefer to sleep during the day in the tropics when it is not only hot but filled with the workaday drones clogging up streets and transport.
I recently breezed into Bangkok in my usual fashion - around four in the morning. The hotel in the Nana area at which I enquired stated that if I waited till 6:00 AM I could get the hotel for the next day, saving one day's rent. So I went browsing in the famous parking lot and along Sukhumvit. Quite a few cute girls out but none who looked like they'd do precisely as I wanted. I even asked a few if their asses were open for business and was declined.
Finally I picked up a slim petite girl who was alas pushing 30. She stated her anus was available, and I said, 1,000 would be fine if no condom. Off we went to the very pricey short time room (310 baht!) where she turned out to be great fun in bed. After a great bbbj and extremely vigorous bbfs, I moved on to bba. She could handle it, and roughly. Finally a profoundly satisfying anal cream pie was attained.
I felt well pleased - Bangkok, as much as I dislike it, still provided what I was looking for. Of course at a high price and with a second-rate girl, but still I was satisfied.
I must say, however, that the ridiculous closing times and overall moralistic crusade in Thailand since around 2001 have left us nightowls with far less options. Everyone is faced with the perverse situation of having to rush to get their girl or customer before two AM. This warps both the market and one's evening.
I continued my wanderings in the Capital with a stop in poor old Patpong. Still limping along but looking endangered after all these years. I visited Kangaroo but alas, there was no girl there sufficiently good looking to do, and they quoted 800 baht!
At SOL I had the usual exciting treatment of bbbj out on the couches, followed by bbfs in the john. This was with a new girl. Great service, and I noticed they'd nearly all started using baby oil as part of their rendition. Still 700 baht.
The fun part was that after I stepped out, sated, several other guys were being blown as well. It was interesting to watch the girl's contortions, sexy to see their asses jutt out as they sucked, and lastly informative for future choice to see their techniques. One girl turned right around and put a very small member inside her vagina-hole without the interference of condom, much to the joy of the monger in question. This was impressive as it occurred outside the bathroom, so thus against the rules I suppose.
From thence I visited Pahurat, where I found delicious Indian food but none of the rumoured brothels. Then to Chinatown where many girl were out, and some appealing, but of course I was quoted 500 by the attractive ones. Seems like prices increase there at night. Of course I was too played out and stuffed with 'ahan kaek' to partake.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Condoms should most certainly NOT be required for oral sex in blow job bars, Gren, and if any girl tries to impose one you should walk. Can you imagine, a blow job with a condom on? What would be the point of purchasing something like that?[/QUOTE]
Condoms should be on there way out, as un got caught deliberatly exagerating aids statistics. I'm in cambodia now and its hard to get girl in brothel where it is still $5. to go with out it. some will but for extra tip. hopefully this news will get around and customers should walk out if girls need condom.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Nah... rarely watch TV. No music, overdose on music due to other work I have, and Internet I'm on all the time.
Seriously, disco or all night clubs or such. Used to have a GF until last trip then we stopped that, have a girl who wants to be GF but I honestly don't sleep much so after shagging and such it's hard to find things to do and work is a complete bore that I can do that in my sleep, it's all politics and I just need to shop up and be on call a lot.
Agree with exercise but generally the room is shut down at those hours even asking them to open up is a hassle most the time and the pools are OK for a little swim but that gets old after a while. I enjoy BKK obviously just wondering if there is something out there for the late late nights or early early mornings that I haven't figured out yet. Looks like there isn't so far.
So thanks for the replies so far.[/QUOTE]Many options all night. Just stroll up or down Sukhumvit and sit down on one of many "family restaurants". You won't sit there long before someone will join you. If you prefer more options, taxi drivers will know where to bring you. You may try Spice Club with entrance from Parking level 1 under Ambassador between soi 11 and 13. Open from 11pm, free entrance until 1am. After that 300 bt including 2 drinks. Live band until 2am, thereafter DJ up to 6 in the morning. Lots of freelancers available, many hunting for a farlang "boyfriend". Late night/early morning after some drinks most are ready for some fun.
Other discos are available like Tunnel (Langsuan) Spicy (why all these spices? ), Boss, Lucky. Also some places in Patpong. And what about Arab Club at Grace hotel;. A very different experience.
Keep hunting!
Lee66, I fear that the condom-mania will continue whether thirty millions are hosting the HI virus or forty millions.
Regarding some other figures of more immediate import - the drinks prices in Bangkok shocked me! In most places it was 100 baht for a beer, and in some it was 120. This was enough to make me gag on the stuff (I dislike it anyway). Cokes were nearly as much in most places, though in some they remained 65 baht.
This provides another motivation to avoid bars - it is a huge ripoff to even sit in one. I did take a girl from a gogo in Soi Cowboy just for experiment's sake - alas I cannot remember the name of the gogo. What a waste - 500 baht bar fine plus 500 baht to get her out of my room after she failed to perform. The little thief refused blow job. Don't take girls from gogos in Soi Cowboy brother mongers. The kicker with those gogos is also worth noting - 90% of the girls aren't really any better looking than freelancers once you get them up close.
[QUOTE=Tit Luvr2]I am in Bangkok for 4 nights.
I would like to visit
1. Go-Go bars with full nudity and
2. Massage parlours
I will spend a lot if I can enjoy Bangkok
Where do I go for beautiful and good looking girls, exceptionally good sex/massage and safe and clean place
Please reccomend the BEST places irrespective of cost[/QUOTE]I do not wish to pay more than normal but I would like to visit the best places (irrespective of cost)
Mick, OTH, Giotto please advise.
Thanks
I need help from Senior Mongerers.
I am scheduled to be in Bangkok, later this month, with bag and baggage (With wife and kids) and am booked at Hotel Ambassador.
I am given to understand that at the Massage Parlour of the hotel, if one takes a normal massage, the girls do offer extras, is it true, has anyone any experience?
This will be the only solace for me, I look forward to be enlightened, thanks.
I arrived in Bangkok last night. I have read a lot of complaints about flights from the US all getting into Bangkok around 11 PM and that is not enough time to go out mongering (although it never stopped me). My Cathay Pacific flight from NY via Hong Kong arrived at 6:00 PM.
I sat in traffic, went to the hotel, and took a quick nap. I set the alarm for 90 minutes but must have hit the snooze bar. I jumped out of bed around 10:00 PM (It took me 10 minutes to figure out the time! This military time kills me. I know all i have to do is subtract 12 hours, but I still get messed up. I hope I am a better mongerer than mathematician).
I jumped into the shower and got to NP by 10:30, it's only 2 blocks from my hotel. I went to the 2nd floor and started sticking my head into the bars checking to see which ones had either a lot of girls or a lot of hot girls. I stopped at Rainbow 4, which seemed to be the biggest and had the best looking girls, IMHO. At least last night.
I had two beers and a real skinny girl caught my eye. But, I decided to part with tradition and try to find a pretty girl with a little more meat on her. Many of the girls were very attractive.
But, I still wanted to check NP out and see what else was going on. I hit most of the bars, bought a few beers here and there, and went back to Rainbow 4 to find my skinny girl. For me, it seems always to be true that the first one I like winds up being the one I wind up going back to.
However, she was not there. A German man sitting next to me had a funny remark. He said, "don't worry she will be back in 20 minutes" in a very Arnold Schwartzeneggeresque voice. He was right, she was back, but it was because they dance 5 songs at a time and she was off the stage for 5 songs. However, in the meantime, I gave the mamasan a few bucks and asked her to find me a "new" girl. Maybe I should have defined "new". The first girl she brought over had been there a year! I guess "new" is a relative term.
She was pretty, but her personality wasn't right for me. The same with the second girl. I told the mamasan not to worry about it and that I would find one on my own. She brought another little cutie over and this one was a good fit, no pun intended.
I asked her how much for LT. She said 4000 Baht. I said, "never mind" and started to look away. I then told her the most I would pay was 3000 baht and that she better make this a good night. She agreed, on one condition, that we go meet one of her friends for a drink because it was her birthday.
I figured, ok, I have read all the books on Thailand and knew they would expect me to pay for everything, but I figured, it was an experience and let's see what happened.
We hopped in a taxi and went to the disco at the Ambassador Hotel. I have never been there before. I could not believe the sign I read when I went in saying that it was open until 6 AM. I thought every closed at 2 AM. Learn something new every day.
We met her friend, who had a Thai guy friend and a farang guy with her. She was very nice and both guys were very nice. Turns out this girl has a hookup at the club and we barely pay for anything. 2 more of her friends show up at around 2:30 AM. How dumb am I? I look around and realize that this is just another meat market, but instead of dancing in bikinis and with a pole, they are dancing in their every day clothes on the dance floor. I figure I have to remember this place for late nights. There were a lot of independents as well as NP and Soi Cowboy girls there.
Of course one of her friends is hotter than she is. OK, 2 of her friends but who is counting. But this one girl looks like an American Indian. Beautiful.
But I digress...
So after we decide to take off, which happens to be after I lost my cell phone and didn't find it, she and one of her friends come back to my hotel for some food. I tried everything but I can't get her friend to stay. She has a boyfriend and he works in my hotel!
So my girl comes into bed and she has got a great, tight, little body with great nips. She is into the BJ but I talk her into it for a little bit. Definitely points against her. We shagged. We fell asleep. We shagged again an hour later. She is still in the bed. I am only 40, but I am here for 4 more nights. I hope she doesn't want to shag again! After all, I have to go out again tonight.
My plan for the evening is to either:
1) Check out Soi Cowboy (haven't been there in a while and things were a little tame at NP last night).
2) Go to Soprano House and figure out how much money I can waste on one of those model types. Please don't flame me. I already know this is a bad idea.
3) Go back to Rainbow 4, sneak in, pick up her American Indian looking friend, and run like hell before this little girl figures out that I bar fined one of her best friends!
Hopefully it will be an eventful evening and some fun will be had by all.
[QUOTE=Tit Luvr2]I do not wish to pay more than normal but I would like to visit the best places (irrespective of cost)
Mick, OTH, Giotto please advise.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Long gun,in Soi Cowboy has full nudity,and good rock music.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Lee66, I fear that the condom-mania will continue whether thirty millions are hosting the HI virus or forty millions.
Regarding some other figures of more immediate import - the drinks prices in Bangkok shocked me! In most places it was 100 baht for a beer, and in some it was 120. This was enough to make me gag on the stuff (I dislike it anyway). Cokes were nearly as much in most places, though in some they remained 65 baht.
This provides another motivation to avoid bars - it is a huge ripoff to even sit in one. I did take a girl from a gogo in Soi Cowboy just for experiment's sake - alas I cannot remember the name of the gogo. What a waste - 500 baht bar fine plus 500 baht to get her out of my room after she failed to perform. The little thief refused blow job. Don't take girls from gogos in Soi Cowboy brother mongers. The kicker with those gogos is also worth noting - 90% of the girls aren't really any better looking than freelancers once you get them up close.[/QUOTE]
Sounds familiar. The thing to do is always to spell out the details before you barfine. BBBJ and things like that. If she refuses to honor her end of the bargain you pay her nothing and tell her you want to get your barfine back from the place. Most of the time they'll change their tune. When they think you are weak they'll pull that shit over and over. No go home early, no school tomorrow, no need to go see baby crap. And no 1000B tips even if she does well, because it sets up a bad trip for the next monger.
Anybody who's frequently getting full service without protection in Bangkok should read this.
[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/StickMarkII/BangkokPartyingWithoutAPartyHat.htm[/url]
3) Go back to Rainbow 4, sneak in, pick up her American Indian looking friend, and run like hell before this little girl figures out that I bar fined one of her best friends!
Juice guy. Your comment above is hilarious. They could care less (in fact they welcome it) if you barfined their friend.
These are P4P women, hello! They would gladly both do you at the same time. Separately or over and over again.
It isn't "you" they like. It's your "money."
Thanks for crushing my ego as it was just growing so quickly in Bangkok. I know, you are totally right.
Are you sure it's the money they want? I thought I could he my girl whisper I "love you" under hear breath. Actually, what she really said was "move your hand you're pulling my hair"! LOL
I get bored during the day in BKK, mostly because I am just lazy. So yesterday around 4 PM I decided to have a look around. What I really wanted was a great, non sexual, oil massage to make my body feel better.
I walked the area around my hotel and stumbled onto Annie's. I have been there before so I checked it out. I walked up the stairs and told any that I need a good western Swedish massage (none of that Thai massage with a stick!). She heloed me pick the girl, # 16, who was very good at massage.
You know the scene, first we take bath and she cleans me at every angle and every inch. Then she pulls you up so she can get to your member. Right there in the bath she gives me a BBBJ. And she is really good! I tell her she better stop or I going to come right now and won't have anything available for sex. She say "you cum twice". I said, "OK".
From there we go onto the bed. Good massage although she may have been one of those old former Soviet Union Olympics Female Wrestlers in a previous life. She was trying to stretch my bodies it hadn't been stretched in in years. But it was a great massage.
She starts back with the BBBJ and after about 10 minutes moves on top of me. We switch at some point and I take her from the back. She finishes me off again with the now all too familiar BBBJ. She achieves her missions. I achieve my mission.
I go back to the hotel, shower, take a nap (all that getting massaged stuff must've been harder work than I expected).
I went to NP to find my American Indian (see yesterday's post). First set of girls dances, no American Indian (her friend was not there either!). 2nd set of girls dance, no American Indian. I am already on my second beer. 3rd set she starts dancing and my bar stool is right above her. I smiled at her knowing that she would remember me from the disco the night before. She smiles back and clearly does not have the least memory of me from the night before. As psycholoigcal defense I start looking for every flaw in her body. Her skin is a little too dark. Her boobs are a little to small. Whatever I can think of. She was no longer perfect in my book!
I found the mamasan and asked her if 61 was availbale for LT. She brought her over. This girl was smoking hot with a tight body. We negotiated the deal, brought her back to the hotel, did the deed (for which she should be give some sort of gymnastic prize). She was really cool to hang out with. If she wasnt that hot I would nout be able to cum again, what would be my 5th time in the 24 hours since I arrived in Bangkok.
Her name is Gik and she was really worth it. I paid her 3000 Baht.
Cool chick.
Well that's my story and I'm sticking to it. Not sure what I am doing tonight, but if any fell monger brothers are here in BKK tonight and want to grab a beer, PM me and let me know how to contact you or what time to meet and where. I will buy the first round.
I spent the first 4 nights in Pattaya and had one girl per day - nothing compared to many of you. Then 6 nights in Bangkok with my buddy.
We stayed at Livingstone's Lodge and started at the three massage parlors on Sukhumvit Soi 33. Teen is in the name of two of them. We checked all 3. In the last, with a lineup of 10 girls, we both found nice lookers. B2500 total for an hour, full sex, with oil massage, including ball massage. My experience was good, but she spoke no English. Kind of makes it hard to enjoy the whole experience. Meanwhile, I heard my buddy and his girl laughing and joking in the next room. Her English was good, but he said the sex wasn't. I guess that's the problem with the fishbowl or lineup, as opposed to chatting and having a drink with them first. Can't really get a good read on them.
Next day we tried Annie's at 1 pm, but the line up was grim. Seven girls (women) most a little older. We both though that one of girls was do-able. Just then, the Westerner sitting at the bar selected her. We decided to pass. I've since heard that Annie's tends to have older (but more experienced women) and that 1pm is not a great time.
So we checked a couple of the open air bars on Soi 4. We both were very attracted to Moi, virtually at the same time. We tend to like the same girls, spinners and young. Moi looked both (although she turned out to be 34), good English, and very upbeat. Unfortunately, none of the girls in that bar were of the same caliber. We said we'd come back. We checked the other two bars nearby. As my buddy put it, we were both looking for a decent girl for the other guy.
At some point, I decided to let him have Moi, and I chose another girl. I was looking for short time and he was looking for long time, so I gave him Moi, the headliner. Guess I'm a pretty good wingman.
Mine was ok, but Moi turned out to be great. He spent the next 4 days with her. In retrospect, I think the next time I will probably skip the massage parlors, and try finding the long term gfe. I don't really like Long Time, but if it's over multiple days and there is some chemistry, it might be great. He found the chemistry, partly because she was just so easy to get along with and she liked serving him.
Moi is educated, speaks pretty good English, and worked in Burma in a forest conservation program. Somehow she crossed the wrong land owner or developer, which landed her in jail, or as she says, "The monkey house". I never could get that whole story quite straight.
Interesting side note: Moi owns her own home. She told me it cost B900,000 ($27,000). She put down B200,000 that she had saved from the job in Burma. The rest is financed over 30 years with a loan that is government subsidized or rate controlled ?? She pays B5000 per month. I didn't do the math, but it sounds typical of a home loan in the States.
Anyway, I'll try Soi Cowboy on my last night, with my buddy and Moi. He ends up the winner on this trip, as he found a great long term GFE. That will be my goal next time.
No cell phone for Moi, otherwise I would try to contact her on my next trip.
[QUOTE=Dboy]
Mine was ok, but Moi turned out to be great. He spent the next 4 days with her. In retrospect, I think the next time I will probably skip the massage parlors, and try finding the long term gfe. I don't really like Long Time, but if it's over multiple days and there is some chemistry, it might be great. He found the chemistry, partly because she was just so easy to get along with and she liked serving him.
....
Anyway, I'll try Soi Cowboy on my last night, with my buddy and Moi. He ends up the winner on this trip, as he found a great long term GFE. That will be my goal next time.
No cell phone for Moi, otherwise I would try to contact her on my next trip.[/QUOTE]
Unlikely name "Moi" means pubic hair.
Does anybody know what time the shows starts? How much time is between each show?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Unlikely name "Moi" means pubic hair.[/QUOTE]
Actually, Mick, Moi is a Thai nickname, but is pronounced differently than the word for pubic hair. Another common nickname is Jim or Jumjim. Jim pronounced in a certain way means pussy. Still another is Jue. Jue when pronounced like "Jew" means a baby boy's cock. There are lots of nicknames that are a minefield for the uninitiated.
Senior Mongerers,
I need some help,I will be at Bangkok at The Ambassador Hotel,later this month,but with Family.I hear at the Health Club,if one asks for a massage,one can get"extras" too,is it true?
For that is going to be my only chance to have fun,I look forward to hear from Senior Mongerers.
Bye
Can anyone confirm for me whether you can book a single lady session at either the Eden Club in Bangkok or at the sister establishment, Hell Club in Pattaya? I thought I read it here months ago that it is available at the Hell Club when they first opened. I am interested because I have been told that the ladies are expert providers but I don't need the distraction of the two-girl extravaganza! As I recall, it was 1800 baht for the single girl and 3600 for the full two-girl deal.
[QUOTE=Almotu]Can anyone confirm for me whether you can book a single lady session at either the Eden Club in Bangkok or at the sister establishment, Hell Club in Pattaya? [/QUOTE]
I don't frequent Eden often, but the only time I had a single girl was when i booked one for for me and the girl i was seeing at the time as a special request. They let one girl go to join us to teach / show / play with the girl I was seeing. But that's all I know of. At Eden, no idea about Hell Club.
Evil is the Eden expert hopefully he'll chime in or PM him. You can also email Marc direclty and ask.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Actually, Mick, Moi is a Thai nickname, but is pronounced differently than the word for pubic hair. Another common nickname is Jim or Jumjim. Jim pronounced in a certain way means pussy. Still another is Jue. Jue when pronounced like "Jew" means a baby boy's cock. There are lots of nicknames that are a minefield for the uninitiated.[/QUOTE]
OTH,
I haven't met anyone called Moi, so perhaps you could explain the likely tone for me, to save me embarressment of pronouncing the wrong way when I do meet someone with this name.
I presume its not rising tone as for "pussy fluff".
You may as well give me the pronunciation for names:
Jim and Juu as well since I commonly hear then with rising tones (I think) .
I am also aware of Jim falling tone meaning to dip-in or poke-in.
The girls used to crack-up when I used to say "gawn (low) nuat (falling)" (before the massage) when I mean't to say "gorn (falling) nuat (low)" (have a shave). I'm very careful with that one but still hit mines regularly.
Mick
[QUOTE=Wandere]Senior Mongerers,
I need some help,I will be at Bangkok at The Ambassador Hotel,later this month,but with Family.I hear at the Health Club,if one asks for a massage,one can get"extras" too,is it true?
For that is going to be my only chance to have fun,I look forward to hear from Senior Mongerers.
I stayed there a few years back and took a massuse gal each day. She was great and each day offered me more and more. Im sure on the first day we could have done fs too. Frankly, it had been more than 25 years since I went to that hotel for a massage and nothing changed. The same rooms, same ceilig, and same lack of a functioning shower. So I doubt anything has changed in a few years. The girls were generally average. Some did anal I was told. Send your family out on a tour or shopping and try it. There are better massage places just out the front door. Get the gal to your room if you can.
v
[QUOTE=Almotu]Can anyone confirm for me whether you can book a single lady session at either the Eden Club in Bangkok or at the sister establishment, Hell Club in Pattaya? I thought I read it here months ago that it is available at the Hell Club when they first opened. I am interested because I have been told that the ladies are expert providers but I don't need the distraction of the two-girl extravaganza! As I recall, it was 1800 baht for the single girl and 3600 for the full two-girl deal.[/QUOTE]
As far as I am aware in you use there place then you should take two girls but you can take just the one back to your hotel.
newby review day 1 bkk actually writing this on the morning of the 3rd day. i am going to write as i rememeber things, so the structure might be haphazard. will try to be as detailed as possible ( so people have a better idea of the cost involved and to help mongers on a budget like me) and will be doing things from my perspective. read the forum to book a place to stay (choose livingstone which seemed suited for a newbie) and for more info on the scene in bkk. once i booked my ticket i took another 2 days to figure what exactly i would be doing. the plan in the end was to stay 3 days in bangkok, 4 days in either koh samui or pattaya (depending on how bangkok went) and then back to bkk for another 3 days. i am not a serious mongerer and this was a holiday too.
flew from london on eva, direct flight cost 450gbp. 2 weeks later i checked the prices for the same ticket and it was 650gbp (writing this from livingstone and can’t find a pound sign). landed at the new airport, followed the suggestion from the forum and took a metered taxi. at whichever entrance you exit the departure hall, the metered taxi’s are outside (on the concourse itself) on the left. you should see a queue of place. took me a while to figure this out. queued up and it did not take long to get a taxi. there is a guy with a small table and you tell him you’re destination (in this case it was soi 33 along sukhimvit or in thai “soi sam sip sam” sukhumvit)(thanks guido! i got this off him by e-mail before flying down). got in the taxi and the taxi driver said 400 baht. i said are you not using the meter? and he said no problem so we did (you pay all the toll). i have changed some money in the uk before coming and the smallest denomination i had was 1000baht. the first toll the driver asked me to pay and i took out 1000baht and he said it was too big. i asked whether they would change it at the toll? and he said never mind he would pay this (not sure if it actually was 100baht). the second toll cost 85 baht and the meter to livingstone’s was about 210baht. so all in all the metered cab cost 500baht. passed long beach on the way to the airport, it’s been mentioned in some reports. (writing this i realise i should review at the end of the eay when the way i feel was clearer).
for the first timer to te airport the thing that hits you is the sheer sprawl of the place. after the initial “please use the meter” i decided to break the ice and start chatting with the taxid drivers, i tend to avoid taxi’s whenever i can because the times when there is no choice but to take them they to tend to gouge you (and this is universal all over the world except for metered cabs) so have a few unhappy experiences under my belt but i klike to talk to them and find them interesting. tried to explain i was vegetarian and how do you say it in thai. he didn’t understand. asked about his family etc. apparently he works 24 hours and sleeps and stays in his car. his wife and kids are 250km away and he sees then once a month. they are farmers as he was until he became a taxi driver 14 years ago. one day he does 4 trips from the airport. doesn’t take passengers back. turned into soi 33 and just missed lingstone’s and doubled back to it. when to the reception, which is inside, right,pass the buffet counter and to the right. checked in and it hit me. fuck i actually needed to have done more research!
how i choose thailand was i was looking for a cheap mongering holiday for the uk and looking at this forum, the ee countries seem to be done over (accoding to posters there) and while i always wanted to go to russia, the prices there seem high and the xenophobia worrisome (always wanted to visit russia as a tourist in the 90’s when i think the climate was friendlier but just reading the news that comes out now, things seem to have changed). some of the ee countries as well seemed to be not too friendly and too much work (learning the lingo etc). it was also a place whre there was more bang for my buck. there are thai girls in the uk whose services are very, very good amd i think if you have money anywhere in the world you can get what you want, without having to travel but middling wage earners like me, need to take 12 hour flights and save up. so here i am in thailand where it is still cheap and i can afford a decent hotel. also according to the forum the scene in thailand is changing and thought it was time to visit before it turns into something else (cambaodia, loas and vietnam also seem to be hard work more suited to dedicated mongers rather than part timer and one-offers like me. i had booked miki at kane online (just checked my e-mail acccount today (3 days later) and they had actually replied with a confirm ad voucher for 5% off for any other girl). got the directions from searching the forum. i had booked at 7pm. my plane landed at 4pm and i knew the palce was near livingstone’s akane is a massage and bj joint, it was only after reading the forum that i realised how all the massage places are so focused on japanese clientele with websites in japanes and the girls/ladies all having japanese names. for the first days review i am not going to name names since the ladies had 100% good personality. i have realised from punting/mongering and reading reviews of girls that others and i have had, that they react to you and your personality so if you undemanding like me then don’t expect them to act like pornstars.
akane from sukhumvit is down soi 33, pass livingstone’s, on the left.. look for the peep inn hotel sign and it is in the car park on the left. you should be able to see a sign saying akane from the road. (will continue this later, the review is taking too long and i still have 7 days of los to enjoy, it 10am now and i and off to see the grand palace and adjoining temples)
this is a draft that i wrote on my 3rd day in los. the initial plan was to write a report everyday but did not have the time. lots of things happened tha i would like to share., so i will be writing my 11 day report in los probably a day at a time. the initial idea was to do a "stream of conciousness" type of report but there was too much information to absord and spew out and did not have time to do it. so back home and a week later i am writing this report. a lot of things i thought at the beginning were overturned by the end but i will try to be as true as possible as to how i felt each day.
please be patience as i gather my thoughts and try to separate how each day went.
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]As far as I am aware in you use there place then you should take two girls but you can take just the one back to your hotel.[/QUOTE]
A dissenting opinion here. I went there a very long time ago and one girl was certainly an option. I'd be v surprised if this policy had changed because, one of the reasons the place has been such a success is that Marc has long had the attitude that 'what the customer wants the customer gets' - why would he ruin a winning formula by mandating 2 girls?
[quote=wandere]for that is going to be my only chance to have fun,i look forward to hear from senior mongerers.[/quote]not really sure any senior bkk mongerer would even venture in this place.
i think your best bet is to go shop @ pantip plaza or someplace where family won't follow. book the ambassador spa for your family and go out to a knowned massage joint where you are sure to have a good time.
not far from soi 11 (almost across on sukhumvit), soi 8, are:
- [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] (blowjob bar) --> prepare 1,000thb
- aviva massage [url]www.avivabkk.com[/url] --> prepare 2,000thb
Great report. I know it's a lot of work to prepare a report. Just wanted to let you know I'm eager to read more from you.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]OTH,
I haven't met anyone called Moi, so perhaps you could explain the likely tone for me, to save me embarressment of pronouncing the wrong way when I do meet someone with this name.[/QUOTE]I met a lady who spelled her name Moi and pronounced it Moy as in toy.
Good report. I suspect you may have been ripped off on the tolls. From memory combined they were less than 100 baht.
[QUOTE=Almotu]Can anyone confirm for me whether you can book a single lady session at either the Eden Club in Bangkok or at the sister establishment, Hell Club in Pattaya? I thought I read it here months ago that it is available at the Hell Club when they first opened. I am interested because I have been told that the ladies are expert providers but I don't need the distraction of the two-girl extravaganza! As I recall, it was 1800 baht for the single girl and 3600 for the full two-girl deal.[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, you CANNOT book a single-lady inhouse session at either the Hell Club or Eden for less than the two-lady price. Many years ago, when Eden first opened, it was possible to do single-lady inhouse sessions, but not any more It has always been possible to do single-lady overnight takeaway sessions (10 p.m. to at least 6.00 a.m.) for 3,000 baht at both establishments.
At the Hell Club, the management took the single-lady inhouse option off the menu after just a few weeks of operation. However, it never hurts to ask. The owner of the Hell Club uses the name Cerberus on many boards. Bruce (who's very obliging and customer-service oriented) is the manager of the Eden Club since Marc retired for health reasons. Again, you could ask about a single-lady inhouse session, but I doubt Eden would be likely to make exceptions to its current policy.
Evil
The toll is 40 Baht and 25 Baht for a total of 65 Baht from the Airport to Sukumvit area. The airport charge is 50 baht.
If you give agree for 300 Baht taxi fare it is right. Any other amount you are scammed.
Most of the taxi drivers do not activate the meter. I always tell them to put the meter on and the they say you pay 300 Baht.
If you do not challenge the driver you are going to get into problems at the destination point.
Does anyone know about a girl called Zoe ( I think this is how you spell it ) works out of Golden Bar at Nana Hotel. Any info would help.
Richard Rams,
Is this the bar right outside the disco? If so, I have never seen any good looking girls in that bar except maybe those just having a drink with farangs. My usual stay at Nana Hotel when I walk by I usually see the regular old and I mean old ladies sitting near the elevator. Would one of them be Zoe? No matter how often I stay at Nana I always get a good laugh when I walk by and see these old ladies. Can't help to think who the hell would pick them that they are always sitting there night after night. Maybe they do get pick my the near dead drunks going back to their rooms via elevator maybe that's why from time to time I hear screaming in the early mornings!
LBM
Does anyone know the "real" prices?
I was quoted..4600 S 5600 SL and 6600 (SM) bhat and I thought I was being quoted Farang prices so I walked out...the girls, however, were gorgeous...
Also I was taken to cupidy massage by one of the tuk buggies...the manager thought I was easy prey..quoted me 4000 baht--ordered water chatted with a fellow monger who told me the actual price...ended up walking out of there to the dismay of the mgr...
Spent most of my time in Pattaya where I payed 700 ST and 1K LT for stunners...I will fire up a report soon
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Richard Rams,
Is this the bar right outside the disco? If so, I have never seen any good looking girls in that bar except maybe those just having a drink with farangs. My usual stay at Nana Hotel when I walk by I usually see the regular old and I mean old ladies sitting near the elevator. Would one of them be Zoe? No matter how often I stay at Nana I always get a good laugh when I walk by and see these old ladies. Can't help to think who the hell would pick them that they are always sitting there night after night. Maybe they do get pick my the near dead drunks going back to their rooms via elevator maybe that's why from time to time I hear screaming in the early mornings!
LBM[/QUOTE]Golden Bar is in front of Nana Hotel overlooking entrance to NEP. All the BarGirls wear the same colour tops, different colour for different day e.g Monday Yellow, Tuesday Pink etc. Girls not in your face, if you like one buy a drink if not don't and look around. When I was there last week the majority were 20-25 year old. a few were 30+ but none old hags. I don't drink so I don't have BeerGoggle Vision. Zoe was small stunning and a veritable gymnast in the sack and very streetwise. Barfine in Golden was 350baht and ST prices for them was 1500-2000 baht. Tryed more than one. Younger Girls less experienced.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]I met a lady who spelled her name Moi and pronounced it Moy as in toy.[/QUOTE]
Pink Pearl,
I already knew that.
As OTH and I speak Thai and you don't, I think you missed the subtleties of my question re the pronunciation.
There are 5 tones in Thai which affect the pitch of a syllable.
With the wrong pitch, the word comes out quite wrong and Thai people may misunderstand.
That is what I was asking OTH about as I am unfamiliar with this Thai name but OTH isn't.
Some bad news for all alcohol lovers amongst us:
Bars in Bangkok (Thailand) are not allowed to sell alcohol
[b]from Friday, 14.12.2007, 6 pm to Sunday 16.12.2007, 6 pm[/b]
and
[b]from Saturday, 22.12.2007, 6 pm to Sunday 23.12.2007, Midnight[/b].
As we heard most of the bars in Soi Nana, Soi Cowboy and Soi 33 will be closed on those days.
Background is the upcoming general elections in Thailand. I am not sure about why we have to stop selling alcohol the next weekend already (14. - 16.12.2007), they talk about something like pre-elections, obviously the people can already vote at special locations next weekend.
Livingstone's will be open, but we will NOT sell any alcohol.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]
Even though I won't be there during that period, G, I have a question. Can guests buy alcohol at the market the day before and consume it on premises, for example, sit at the pool with a bottle, or not? Can they bring it into the lounge?
Also will the mini bar be filled on an as needed basis?
Just curious.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Even though I won't be there during that period, G, I have a question. Can guests buy alcohol at the market the day before and consume it on premises, for example, sit at the pool with a bottle, or not? Can they bring it into the lounge?
Also will the mini bar be filled on an as needed basis?
Just curious.[/QUOTE]Mr. Vice President,
Mini bar and comsumption in the room - no problem. Buying alcohol the day before and consumption in the room - no problem.
Drinking alcohol around the swimming pool will most likely bring the owner / manager of Livingstone's directly into jail. Even if you bought it privately the day before - nobody will believe that.
We called our friends in brown today, to discuss the problem of selling alcohol to our hotel guests. They told us: If we do --> Giotto --> Jail. It is serious this time, and they will check the bars.
Good luck to all of you. Bangkok Hilton is no fun at all, as I heard :) ...
Giotto
[QUOTE=Wandere]Senior Mongerers,
I need some help,I will be at Bangkok at The Ambassador Hotel,later this month,but with Family.I hear at the Health Club,if one asks for a massage,one can get"extras" too,is it true?
For that is going to be my only chance to have fun,I look forward to hear from Senior Mongerers.
Bye[/QUOTE]I was in your situation a couple of weeks ago, my wife and I stayed not far from your hotel at Swiss Park and if you are out only for a massage with happy ending I would recommend Sabai Sabai. You will find it in the lane behind 7/11 in Soi 11 (right side if you are heading towards Sukumvit). They provide fairly good massage and the girls offer hand job at least. OR you can do like I did. I went looking for mc-parts in a shop far away... and be away for at least 2 hours. I knew my wife would not be interested in following... you can read my report here:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=679514&postcount=3063[/url]
[QUOTE=Giotto]Some bad news for all alcohol lovers amongst us:
Bars in Bangkok (Thailand) are not allowed to sell alcohol
[b]from Friday, 14.12.2007, 6 pm to Sunday 16.12.2007, 6 pm[/b]
and
[b]from Saturday, 22.12.2007, 6 pm to Sunday 23.12.2007, Midnight[/b].
As we heard most of the bars in Soi Nana, Soi Cowboy and Soi 33 will be closed on those days.
Background are the upcoming general elections in Thailand. I am not sure about why we have to close the next weekend already (14. - 16.12.2007), they talk about something like pre-elections, obviously you the people can vote at special locations already next weekend.
Livingstone's will be open, but we will NOT sell any alcohol.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL][/QUOTE]Giotto,
It this for Bangkok only if that is the case I should just go to Pattaya for a few day instead.
Fast eddie 48
Giotto,
Will the girls still be working or will Saturday after 6pm be a dead night in BKK?
I was at Hollywood pub around 11.00pm. The place was very big and crowded. They even have security checking at entrance similar to those at the hotel or airport. There are mostly Thais there but some other nations as well.
There were some singers singing and some dancers doing performance. I was told the good show only start after 12.00 midnight.
Most of the people there were drinking Johnny Walker but I found out later it was not. The bottle is very similar. The singer would take a sip or two of the drinks and were rewarded with tips.
At about 12.00 midnight the music got hotter and some 20 young girls dancing with their sexy dresses.
I left before 12.30 am and realised later that I have missed the real fun at Hollywood, the topless dancers!!
Btw, confirmed the previous reports on video were taken from Hollywood:
1. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=668102&postcount=504[/url]
2. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=669411&postcount=533[/url]
The oscar status are the trade marks.
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Giotto,
It this for Bangkok only if that is the case I should just go to Pattaya for a few day instead.
Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Fast Eddie 48,
It should be for all Thailand - but it is basically up to the local police what regulation they impose in a specific area.
I don't know for sure the regulations for Pattaya, but I expect that it will be the same as in Bangkok.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Mr. Vice President,
Mini bar and comsumption in the room - no problem. Buying alcohol the day before and consumption in the room - no problem.
Drinking alcohol around the swimming pool will most likely bring the owner / manager of Livingstone's directly into jail. Even if you bought it privately the day before - nobody will believe that.
We called our friends in brown today, to discuss the problem of selling alcohol to our hotel guests. They told us: If we do --> Giotto --> Jail. It is serious this time, and they will check the bars.
Good luck to all of you. Bangkok Hilton is no fun at all, as I heard :) ...
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Do you even have to empty the minibars?
Thailand is getting more and more insane. Thank god I don't have to live there. Maybe the Gouvernment doesn't allow alcohol so that the Thais don't get drunk before voting and forget which which vote they have been paid for.
In Hong Kong when a restaurant has the alcohol license pending they would allow customers dining in to bring their own. Would that be an idea? Of course every one has to stock up early.
[QUOTE=Strike1]Giotto,
Will the girls still be working or will Saturday after 6pm be a dead night in BKK?[/QUOTE]Strike1,
We are open, the girls are working. Our place is usually packed on those days, because not many bars will open in Soi 33.
Giotto
Glad I'm in Pattaya these next few days.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Pink Pearl,
I already knew that.
As OTH and I speak Thai and you don't, I think you missed the subtleties of my question re the pronunciation.
There are 5 tones in Thai which affect the pitch of a syllable.
With the wrong pitch, the word comes out quite wrong and Thai people may misunderstand.
That is what I was asking OTH about as I am unfamiliar with this Thai name but OTH isn't.[/QUOTE]I am reminded of a lady who said a word that I repeated about 10 times just like she was saying it and kept trying to correct me, getting more and more frustrated. Maybe I sounded to her like Steve Martin in the Pink Panther trying to say hamburger. The word may have been "cow", meaning white in Thai, but I doubt it. BTW I do speak the language. I have a working vocabulary of 10-20 words. Although on days when I can't remember my bank card PIN number the range drops to between 2 and 4.
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]I was wondering from bar to bar Wednesday night and was having a hard time finding what I wanted. I went to Fenwicks, then Neptunes, Highway, Fire House, and Joe Bananas. I must have hit Fenwicks, Neptunes and Joey B's at least 5 or 6 times. I even hit New Makati once (It was totally dead). Damn was I being picky.
Here is my rundown. New Makati, Fire House, and Highway were totally dead. Firehouse (unfortunately the shower was not working) had a few nice lookers, but you could tell they were hardened as hell. Definitely no GFE experience. At one point, I was the only guy in there.
I was the only person in Highway. They had 3 girls total. Slim pickings.
I was very surprised that Joe Bananas had almost no working girls. There were a few, but not like the last time I was there.
Fenwicks and Neptunes were happening, but, overall, the girls were not amazing. Interestingly there were only 3-4 Colombian girls working at Fenwicks. Someone told me the Police want to shut Fenwicks down because the Colombian girls keep selling cocaine out of there. There have been several police raids in the past few weeks, according to my friend, and many of the Colombian girls were arrested.
Anyway, I kept going from bar to bar, with a couple stops at Ebenezers for some energy, for several hours. About 2:00 AM this pretty filipino girl with braces (she is 27) approached me. She was REALLY cute. She wanted 2000 HK for LT.
We went back to my hotel and she absolutely provided the best GFE experience. Massage, back scratch, BBBJ, DATY (which she totally loved and was very forceful about it pushing my head deeper and deeper), FS in multiple positions. The only thing she would not do was A, but that was fine.
Once we finished she turned into the GFE, massaging and scratching my body until I fell asleep. I took her number I told her that I would call her on Thursday. She didn't believe me. I called around 4:30 on Thursday and arranged to meet at my hotel at 7:00. She was actually early! That has never happened to me. In fact, I am still waiting for the girl I called Tuesday night in Bangkok to show up. Obviously she was too drunk to find the hotel.
Anyway, Sandra and I had a blast Thursday night again. Had dinner together, watched some TV (her English was PERFECT). Repeated everything from the night before. Great, great BBBJ. She even gave me the scoop on how many guys the better looking girls have sex with each night. She said it is usually about 3 ST per night. When everyone was in to watch the Rugby championships a few months ago, her friend was doing 7 ST a night. She said she hurt like hell in the morning. I wonder why. LOL
Anyway, I would recommend Sandra from the Philippines to anyone in HK. Lots of fun a great in the sack.[/QUOTE]
SORRY MEANT TO POST THIS IN HONG KONG.
It's Friday, the first non-alcoholic day. At 6:05 pm the first customers came in and asked for a beer - and if we cannot make an exception. Sorry, this time we cannot...
The road (Soi 33) is dead. All bars except Livingstone's, The Office Bar and Santana Club are closed.
The police came in at 6:15 pm. The first visit.
The police came in at 8:55 pm. The second visit.
They will come again.
What a boring night.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]
PS: The police just visited The Office Bar. We saw all girls coming out, and the bar is closed now.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Strike1,
We are open, the girls are working. Our place is usually packed on those days, because not many bars will open in Soi 33.
Giotto[/QUOTE]Thanks Giotto,
I am staying at the Sheraton Grand because I have some meetings but plan on frequenting your sports bar as a thank you for all of your great info. Do you guys have a nice selection of single malt scotch?
What's so bad about this "No Alcohol" for 3 days?
Come on guys, surely you can go 3 days without alcohol (I understand that for some this will be a totally new Diet, but few of us can have fun without Alcohol).
And from a Bar owner's Point of View, (Giotto please correct me if I am wrong) isn't tht profit Margin Higher on Sodas and Water than on Beers? Problem for some Bars is that the Customers won't be able to get "fucked up" (read: drunk) and therefore won't find most ladies attractive enough for a Barfine LOL.
Sorry for the Ramblings
[QUOTE=JuiceGuy]SORRY MEANT TO POST THIS IN HONG KONG.[/QUOTE]Edit Post> Delete Post! Simple!
:D
[QUOTE=Strike1]...
I am staying at the Sheraton Grand because I have some meetings but plan on frequenting your sports bar as a thank you for all of your great info. Do you guys have a nice selection of single malt scotch?[/QUOTE]Strike1,
Just get over here - but [b]no alcohol[/b] until tomorrow, Sunday, 16.12.2007, Midnight!
Btw: [b]We are allowed to sell alcohol next week![/b] That is THE good news of the day. Monday to Saturday (6 pm), we really can sell :) !
Giotto
I recently returned from my first Bangkok trip and frequented Rainbow and other go-go bars. My question is, are all the girls working at the bars right outside the go-go clubs also available? If so, what's the difference in service, price, etc? Nightly, I chatted with a very cute bartender working at one of the bars in the middle of the plaza, but didn't dare proposition her since I wasn't clear on what was accepted.
Thanks
Tansak, ThaiLearner and of course, Evil
Thanks for responding. I will ask @ Hell when I get there. Probably will just stick my head in at the more well established Eden though.
The BKK honeymoon continues, 5. 5 months and counting. I see no end in sight, with November surprising me as to the quality of SW P4P ladies eager to go with me for a mere 1000 Baht short time ST. I refer to looks, but also a dramatic increase in the percentage of possible keepers as far as service goes. Maybe I've just been lucky, but I thought these women might be harder to cum by with the drier, cooler, high season. But it has been the opposite.
I was in Angels Disco on Nov. 26th and again on Dec. 10th, both times around 12:30-1am and the place was dead. Maybe 20 people each time. I've heard about the Plaza landlords raising rents to astronomical rates, therefore driving The Big Mango out and probably many more bars in the near future. Is this trickling over to all P4P areas of Suk Soi 4? I've gone to Angels Disco on occasion for many years and have never seen it like this. Are they trying to make Soi 4 the next Siam Paragon? Just wondering WTF.
[QUOTE=Gren62]I recently returned from my first Bangkok trip and frequented Rainbow and other go-go bars. My question is, are all the girls working at the bars right outside the go-go clubs also available? If so, what's the difference in service, price, etc? Nightly, I chatted with a very cute bartender working at one of the bars in the middle of the plaza, but didn't dare proposition her since I wasn't clear on what was accepted.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
They are certainly used to propositions.
They may not all be willing to go. Someone has to be the bartender.
But some will, especially at the end of the shift.
Some are not P4P. May have a husband, boyfriend etc,
Some that are normally not willing may be persuadable, although possibly not by offering money. Offering money for sex may back-fire if she is not P4P.
Buy her a few drinks to get her loose.
[QUOTE=IrishLager]I was in Angels Disco on Nov. 26th and again on Dec. 10th, both times around 12:30-1am and the place was dead. Maybe 20 people each time. I've heard about the Plaza landlords raising rents to astronomical rates, therefore driving The Big Mango out and probably many more bars in the near future. Is this trickling over to all P4P areas of Suk Soi 4? I've gone to Angels Disco on occasion for many years and have never seen it like this. Are they trying to make Soi 4 the next Siam Paragon? Just wondering WTF.[/QUOTE]IrishLager,
Nana Plaza will be there at least for the next 3 years. The lease agreements with the bars were just prolonged accordingly in October 2007. The owners of the Big Mango did not sign the contract because the requested lease was too high. So - if somebody wants to run a bar there he can take over The Big Mango for at least 3 years :) .
Giotto
Just talked to our friends on brown: We can start again selling alcohol at 8 or 9 pm. Business should return to normal in the bars tonight.
The Management
Livingstones Lodge Co., Ltd.
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]
Summary after 16 days in Thailand – 9 days Bangkok (1 week Krabi – see other section). Maybe a good guide for newbies.
- 1 BF in Soi 7/1 (Magic Tables): good experience. I usually have a higher quote in this, but had 3 days when bars were closed (Dec 05/14/15)
- 1 FL for beergarden Soi 7 – good experience
- 2 BJ sessions in Loloitas – were ok, but not fantastic
- 2 BJ sessions in SOL. They are experts. .
- 2 fashion massage (Akane), one great, one average
- 1 treatment in Sazanka – not my preference
- 2 times Angel 26 – best sessions this year
- 3 Quality Oilies (focused on massage – at first look without sex) – SabaiSabai – disapaointing – no stunners, average massage, unexiting HJ; Fresh, Soi 8, nice session, fantastic massage, nice HJ (BJ possible); Pim Porn Massage Soi 8, good massage, good HJ.
- 1 HJ. Soi Cowboy, Afterschool, naughty boy’s corner – unique. Always great
- 1 Soapy – Darling, Soi 12, great session
I had Tulip on my list, but couldn’t manage. Will try next time.
Conclusion: next visit will go again for BJ bars and maybe include Kangaroo (as I had good experiences in the past). Mixture of BFs and FLs will continue. Will focus next time on Oilies and consider Thonglor and Rainbow (in addition to Angel).
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This is the title of a programme on in the UK on Wednesday 19 December 10pm Ch4. And it will feature "the lives of girls who work the sex industry bars of Bangkok"
Now the problem. How can I watch as proper research for my trip in March without it arousing comment "I thought you were going there for shopping and to see the sights". Going to be difficult. Wish I had Sky+ so I could record without it being seen!
Although the prog will probably be the usual attack on all mongers with shots of fat middle aged men taking home slim attractive young girls (which will hopefully be me in March). Doubt it will add to the pool of knowledge.
Bamboo Pete,
Great (however short) report.
I am impressed, you were able to squeeze quite a lot in 9 days!
On a recent visit to the sweltering Capital (yes it is oppressively hot again after the all too brief respite last month), I and a friend explored the freelancers around Sukhumvit and Nana parking lot. Lots of very cute and/or sexy freelancers around at 10-11 PM, and nearly all quoted 1,000 baht short time. We were definitely tempted.
We also entered one of the gogos in the Nana - I can't remember the name, but it is to the left of G-Spot, if you're facing out from that establishment. There we were quoted 2,000 baht short time by the attractive girls, and 1,500 baht short time by the considerably less attractive ones, plus 600 baht bar fine, and 300 baht for the room upstairs. Needless to say we did not offer ourselves up for these fleecings.
Later that night I was fortunate enough to find three reasonably cute girls of around twenty years age in Chinatown. I took the best one for 500, and she asked for 200 more for bareback, which I bargained to 100. The short time room was a very fair 60 baht, but alas, no towels, just a peice of curtain to dry oneself upon. The service, though blow-jobless, was great. She was very interactive, and the pie was creamed within 20 minutes! Sometimes even the most jaded and weak-membered of us can forgo the blow job with an exciting young provider. Keep in mind that it is a rarity to find such girls in Chinatown - normally that venue contains only older and rougher looking fare.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Bamboo Pete,
Great (however short) report.
I am impressed, you were able to squeeze quite a lot in 9 days![/QUOTE]Not so much squeezed in but impressive is the amount that must have been squeezed out! he must have been like a wet lettuce (as my mother used to say) by the end of it all.
[QUOTE=Opebo] I took the best one for 500, and she asked for 200 more for bareback, which I bargained to 100. The short time room was a very fair 60 baht, but alas, no towels, just a peice of curtain to dry oneself upon. The service, though blow-jobless, was great. She was very interactive, and the pie was creamed within 20 minutes! Sometimes even the most jaded and weak-membered of us can forgo the blow job with an exciting young provider. Keep in mind that it is a rarity to find such girls in Chinatown - normally that venue contains only older and rougher looking fare.[/QUOTE]I don't want to be negative, but Opebos' reports are always a shock for me.
[QUOTE=Opebo]
Later that night I was fortunate enough to find three reasonably cute girls of around twenty years age in Chinatown. I took the best one for 500, and she asked for 200 more for bareback, which I bargained to 100. The short time room was a very fair 60 baht, but alas, no towels, just a peice of curtain to dry oneself upon. [/QUOTE]
You must be the original "Cheap Charlie" that I read so much about, let's hope you don't get to regret that 100 baht extra for bareback.
I wonder if the next customer got a clean piece of curtain or whether he had to use the same one.
[QUOTE=Jimmy Red Cab]
I wonder if the next customer got a clean piece of curtain or whether he had to use the same one.[/QUOTE]
A great comment. Best laugh for a long time - especially at 5am!
I usually post on the European thread as that is where I live and work.
I have become good friends with a colleague who has lived in Thailand (on and off) for many years, has a permanent residence there, and speaks fluent Thai.
He is of the "mongering persuasion" so we get along well and we will be going there in some months as now I am blessed with an "inside guy" to show me the ropes. I probably would never have gone unless it was for him and, depending on the results of my extended vacation (his is visiting home), as I am eying this as a ex-pat permanent (retirement) location for me to monger "happily ever after".
My biggest problems with Bangkok (and southern Thailand, in general), are twofold. First, the heat and humidity (especially because I am older and overweight) and, secondly, the "Asian look"(I am a big fan of the "Caucasian look" but you sometimes have to "take what you can get" in life)!
If anyone has read my posts (which I know are few), they will know I am of very limited means and ALWAYS in search of "bargain basement" mongering opportunities.
Your posts are articulate and well-written and I enjoy them as we view mongering (with one MAJOR exception), "success in life", and wealth (or the lack of same) in the same manner. OTH would probably lable me as he does you as a "loser" and an "underachiever" but I will leave my thoughts on him aside (which are quite strong) for this my first (Thailand/Bangkok) post in this thread.
I have one question and then a comment:
Question. I know you have probably bridged this subject before but why do you spend the funds to go to Bangkok to monger? My colleague tells me opportunities are everywhere in Thailand so I can only assume for the reason (s) of 1) pure numbers/selection, 2) do not "___t where you eat"(for emplyment reasons) and/or you 3) have a local GF.
Comment. No one likes bare-back more than moi but, after reading Tiny 12's December 8, 2007 post how could you still? Have you not read the link, and/or possibly have a "death wish" and don't care, and/or are so self-choice addicted to bare-back sex you are literally "out of control"? Your rather open ISG postings about your casual attitute towards an extemely dangerous act that is purely the result of choice and totally lacking in self-control does not add to your credibility.
The link/article was a unwelcome "wake up" call for me like none other and broke my heart since my current options for bare-back sex are slim to none and I was SO looking forward to visiting and/or living permanently in Thailand for that reason (among others, of course! ). I enjoy bare-back EVER SO MUCH but will not take the chance with a BG or a freelancer. A condom will do fine, thank you very much!
The article has also made me re-think my options and I have decided on a condom-only policy if I am just visiting (ST/LT) and upon permanent residency to INSIST on HIV(with results) testing with my for-certain bare-back sex partners (assume they will be GF(s) beyond LT-like dating with beach/dancing/films/tv stuff of a normal life). I only pray HIV testing in Thailand is affordable (for me) but, if it is not, I will exercise "mind over matter" and travel down "Condom Road".
Opebo, I do not mean to be insulting (you get enough of that, unfairly, from OTH) and you seem the type of person who would be a good friend of mine and I do not understand what I perceive as a major character flaw.
Opebo,
Your understated, dry, witty and humorous comments are very entertaining. Kind of like a salacious Bob Newhart. I will enjoy them until the train wreck of reality catches up to you.
Hi all,
I will be in Bangkok over New Year, staying at Livingstone's Lodge. I was wondering if New Year's Eve and New Year is like any other day in Bangkok? Is it a bigger party than usual or just like every day? Is New Year a holiday? Anyway maybe I will see some of you guys there.
Cheers
Not wishing to start a war and seeing similar things going on in different threads, (UAE, for example), it is worth making a few points, and I am glad I am not the first.
Firstly there is a string of behaviour that could see someone picking up an infection in one place ("I know that girl" is a common excuse) bringing to a third place and passing it on to their ISG colleague via a lady discussed in these pages. This place poses a risk in that women are actively discussed, numbers swapped, and in close contact.
Amongst other things, I work in STI prevention. Most STIs are free of immediate symptoms. Virtually all of them increase the chance of catching HIV or Syphilis, which is still a killer if it gets to tertiary stage.
Few facts. Sorry if anyone is already clear on this.
Herpes increases chances because it breaks the skin. It can be transmitted mouth to genitals, and genitals to genitals but only when active. Symptoms are often undistinguishable to the untrained eye from a "spot", although initial attacks are more severe.
Warts (HPV) increase chances of cervical and other cancers in women. We want - for the most part - these women in tip top condition don't we? Also increases chance of other infections. General poor effect on general health.
Gonhorrea - often cause of stinkbox - increases chance of HIV infection and other STIs. Often symptomless in men and sometimes women. Gonhorrea is observed closely by health professionals as it is considered a precursor to HIV infection. I.e. an increase in incidence of Gonhorrea will be followed by a increase in HIV infection in 5-9 years time.
Chlamidya - Often free of symptoms in men and in women. Accurate tests only came in use in the UK as late as 2001 (previous one was 60% accurate). Increases chance of other infections. Reduces chances of healthy pregnancy in women, or indeed of pregnancy at all.
Even candida (thrush) increases chances of other infections although it is a yeast infection which will normally pass without major treatment.
HIV is a case apart as its mortality rate - if untreated - is 100%. Interestingly while you can catch many of the other infections from oral sex, the consensus on HIV is you can not.
Many of these diseases have no symptoms in men, or after a period of time the symtoms pass. The man does not go for a test but remains infectious and at increased risk.
Barebacking BBFS is the primary route (guess 95%+?) all these infections pass around. All these infections are unpleasant to deal with. All of them make working girls less healthy and will take them off the game. All of them can be passed from one MAN on this forum to another via the medium of the women. Some of them will kill you. Even though HIV prevalence in Thailand etc is lower than in Africa, it is still a chance and will follow, especially given how widely people travel, and reported cases of Gonhorrea.
I would finally like to note that behaviour where someone insists on not using condoms and has as much unprotected sex as possible has been observed amongst those who are newly diagnosed with HIV infection and thus seek revenge or simply see no reason for further avoidance.
(It is possible to become super-infected with HIV - i.e. different strains at the the same time. This conconction can be quite lethal and is suspected to be behind some very rapid onset HIV to AIDS cases, that kill in a few months. Fortunately these cases are rather rare.)
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Last year my Aussie pal and I were hanging out in Bangkok.We were with a couple of nice ladies at Gullivers in the afternoon,and after a few drinks went back to our Hotel's for a rest.
When we left the Hotel the desk told us to be careful tonight as there had been 7 terrorist bombings already happen in the city.Now,as we found out later ,these were small local wanna be terrorists who were setting these things off.A few folks were really killed and many were injured.Mostly what these creeps managed to do was screw up all the New Years celebrations which were planned around the city.Siam Centre,etc.All events were cancelled.
Under the circumstances,we decided to frequent the smaller places on New Years Eve,as opposed to the huge hangouts.Found a great little Aussie bar with great beer and nice ladies too!
I like to hang out at that street side bar at soi 5 Sukhumvit in the early evening! Great people watching spot.You can't miss me!I don't have a hair on my head and smile constantly.See you there for a beer.
Mark
[QUOTE=Opebo]And she asked for 200 more for bareback, which I bargained to 100. [/QUOTE]With all due respect, how could you fuck bareback a 3 world hooker? For myself how nice she would be even a porn star look alike I would not even be able to get it hard just thinking that I have to bareback her!
[QUOTE=Skamiaman]Hi all,
I will be in Bangkok over New Year, staying at Livingstone's Lodge. I was wondering if New Year's Eve and New Year is like any other day in Bangkok? Is it a bigger party than usual or just like every day? Is New Year a holiday? Anyway maybe I will see some of you guys there.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Skamiaman,
There are some huge outdoor parties in Bangkok, everywhere parties in the bars (including Livingstone's New Year Party). New Year is of course a holiday.
And yes, some members stay at the Lodge that time.
The Management
Livingstone's Lodge Co., Ltd.
[URL]http://www.livingstones.co.th[/URL]
no point in discussing this, as people will continue to go bareback, drink alcohol and then drive a motor vehicle, etc. what is needed is to allow topical microbicides to be sold, then people have a choice to protect themselves.(especialy women). Yes they are spending millions on development, but this seems to be just politics, as the authorities would prefer condoms, as this keeps the p4p population down, due to fear of aids and unability to use condoms. you older guys remember the pre aids days? 50 baht boom boom in country side , with hundred+ girls. grace hotel had easy 60 girls standing around the lobby mostly cute and instantly available every night.
Bamboo Pete,
Looks like you had a good time.
My advice. Next time start at the bottom of your list.
Tulip first. Bet you will go back several times.
You get everything you want, no haggle reasonable price, and if you find a real gem (in your eyes. I have one), just order her up to come to your hotel.
Sorry guys for being a bit off topic but I need to unlock a SAMSUNG phone. I am in Bangkok presently and was quoted 700 baht at a stall in The Tunnel next to the Bier Garden. I want to know if this is a reasonable price and also what price can I successfully bargain down to, 500 baht maybe?
or maybe I can get a better deal in Pattaya, where I will be after Christmas?
Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=Almotu]Sorry guys for being a bit off topic but I need to unlock a SAMSUNG phone. I am in Bangkok presently and was quoted 700 baht at a stall in The Tunnel next to the Bier Garden. I want to know if this is a reasonable price and also what price can I successfully bargain down to, 500 baht maybe?
or maybe I can get a better deal in Pattaya, where I will be after Christmas?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Way too much, I think 4th floor MBK is the cell phone area that I went to. Hundreds of stalls that will all unlock phones. I did not do samsung but other brands so that might affect price but I was way way under that price. I'd hop the BTS before you pay that.
The same cell phone shop in the tunnel next to the Biergarten on Soi 7 unlocked a buddy of mine's Nokia phone for 500 around 3 weeks ago. I told him that I was sure he could get it done for 350 or so if he shopped around - such as at MBK. But realistically, 150 baht is $4.50 and he decided that it wasn't worth his time and effort to save under $5. But even at a local, conveniently located place, you shouldn't pay more than 500 baht.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]The same cell phone shop in the tunnel next to the Biergarten on Soi 7 unlocked a buddy of mine's Nokia phone for 500 around 3 weeks ago. I told him that I was sure he could get it done for 350 or so if he shopped around - such as at MBK. But realistically, 150 baht is $4.50 and he decided that it wasn't worth his time and effort to save under $5. But even at a local, conveniently located place, you shouldn't pay more than 500 baht.[/QUOTE]The less popular phone, the more expensive. Samsung is much more expensive than nokia, however trying to save 200THB sound a bit desperate for a one-time-investment as this.
Channel four the sex tourist features bangkok tonight 19th December
Heads up for those that dont already know !
Heading to thailand on the 23rd. Didn't even know about the election/alcohol ban until after I decided to go, bought tickets and perused this site. Good to know.
My question is regarding the cell phones. I have an LG Chocolate. If I bring my phone with me can it be unlocked, used in Thailand and then brought back to the U.S. and used again without further modifications or would it need to be worked on again when I come back? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Goodfeller]Heading to thailand on the 23rd. Didn't even know about the election/alcohol ban until after I decided to go, bought tickets and perused this site. Good to know.
My question is regarding the cell phones. I have an LG Chocolate. If I bring my phone with me can it be unlocked, used in Thailand and then brought back to the U.S. and used again without further modifications or would it need to be worked on again when I come back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Goodfeller,
If you happen to use T-Mobile in the U. S. And have had a plan with them for at least 60 days, they will unlock the phone for you free of charge. T-Mobile told me that I can now install prepaid SIM cards overseas (no problem) and just put my T-Mobile one back in if/as needed (for example, to use the WiFi service I have. With free international calls! ). I haven't tried it yet, but will when I arrive in Bangkok next week.
If you use Verizon, I don't believe they will unlock their phones. You would have to find someone else who knows how to do it. Not sure about other carriers. Hopefully, others on the board have additional insight.
GolfNutt
[QUOTE=IrishLager]I was in Angels Disco on Nov. 26th and again on Dec. 10th, both times around 12:30-1am and the place was dead. Maybe 20 people each time. I've gone to Angels Disco on occasion for many years and have never seen it like this. Are they trying to make Soi 4 the next Siam Paragon? Just wondering WTF.[/QUOTE]
Angels Disco has been dying a slow death for a few years now. The place used to be Freelancer Heaven a few years back but the managers have done their best to kill it off with astonishingly stupid pricing as they tested the elasticity of demand and snapped it. They kept moving up the entry fee until they hit 400 baht and basically a large pct. of guys just stopped going. That's almost the price of a bar fine. Drinks aren't cheap either - 200 baht for a beer. So why not just go to a go go bar instead and pull out a girl. But with the guys not going - and it again amazes me that the manager is so shortsighted that he doesn't see loads of guys walk up every night - see the price to get in and walk away - the girls stopped coming and that made even fewer guys come and so on - till now most nights are pretty dead - though Friday night still is pretty good.
Many of the girls I know from a few years ago now work at the CM2 Disco or at Conrad's Disco - or they wait till the late night discos get going. They also tend to get paid much more at these places they tell me - often 3000 baht for ST. So for the most part the few girls who still go to Nana aren't the best looking (though they do get some cuties from time to time) or they can't afford the entry fee that they get charged at the other 2 discos. Recently the managers have slowly started trying to rev it up again by allowing hotel guests to get in free - which is when I started going back again - but this hasn't helped much yet. What they have to do is lower the entry fee to free - they would get so much more money through people buying drinks then they do now from entry fees. And training the staff to be somewhat polite would not be a bad thing either - rudest damn girls of any place I go.
But this also brings up an issue that I discuss with friends but no one really has an answer - where have all the good looking freelancers gone? A few years ago the Nana Disco was packed, the Nana parking lot was packed, Thermae was packed, the Beer Garden was packed, Sukhumvit was packed, the Grace was packed. None of these places are that great any more - so where did they go? Nobody seems to know - are there just a lot fewer girls in the biz than there was five years ago? Or are they so spread out now?
[QUOTE=DRRonin] But this also brings up an issue that I discuss with friends but no one really has an answer - where have all the good looking freelancers gone? A few years ago the Nana Disco was packed, the Nana parking lot was packed, Thermae was packed, the Beer Garden was packed, Sukhumvit was packed, the Grace was packed. None of these places are that great any more - so where did they go? Nobody seems to know - are there just a lot fewer girls in the biz than there was five years ago? Or are they so spread out now?[/QUOTE]
IMHO, the quality at the Biergarten during the 1st half of December was noticeably better than I can remember it being during the past few years. Admittedly, the caliber of freelancers on Sukhumvit and the Nana Car Park has declined noticeably during this same time.
I would also observe that I felt that the ratio of providers to customers was higher in Pattaya this past week than I can ever remember it being in what is supposedly peak season. I had heard the talk about the beach road being cleared out of freelancers, but I did not experience this, and found two absolutely delightful, adorable FLs on Beach road, each of whom I repeated with multiple times, and paid 500-600 baht for each ST encounter there.
[QUOTE=Goodfeller]Heading to thailand on the 23rd. Didn't even know about the election/alcohol ban until after I decided to go, bought tickets and perused this site. Good to know.
My question is regarding the cell phones. I have an LG Chocolate. If I bring my phone with me can it be unlocked, used in Thailand and then brought back to the U.S. and used again without further modifications or would it need to be worked on again when I come back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
It depends. Is it a GSM or CDMA phone? - LG makes different versions for different carriers - for example, if yours is a Verizon phone, it's CDMA, and you can't use it in Thailand, period. If it's a GSM phone, what are the frequency bands that it supports, as not all bands can be used in both the U.S. and Thailand. We really can't deduce anything unless we know what carrier service you use in the U.S., as that is what dictatates the characteristics of a phone bought in the U.S.
As a general rule, phones that are sold through U.S. carriers are NOT compatible with many of the international GSM frequencies. But some are - they are called Quad Band GSM world phones - but unless you specifically sought out such a thing when you acquired your U.S. cell phone, it is highly unlikely that you would have one of these.
[QUOTE=Goodfeller]Heading to thailand on the 23rd. Didn't even know about the election/alcohol ban until after I decided to go, bought tickets and perused this site. Good to know.
My question is regarding the cell phones. I have an LG Chocolate. If I bring my phone with me can it be unlocked, used in Thailand and then brought back to the U.S. and used again without further modifications or would it need to be worked on again when I come back? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
If your US phone can't just accept a Thai SIM card, then just buy a real cheap Nokia that does, 2nd hand in MBK centre or similar and by a top up SIM card from DTAC or 12Call. Saves a lot of stuffing around.
I have 3 phones. The Australian one that still works in Thailand, my Thai phone for GF and official business in Thailand, and finally my Monger phone that is switched off when GF around, but used for mongering activities only.
The monger-phone is a really cheap one.
FWIW, I bought a brand new Nokia from the Nokia store at Big C Pattaya a few months ago. I paid B1300. While shopping, I noticed some used phones being sold as new so be careful. The Nokia has no bells and whistles but it works fine. I also used it in Singapore with a Singapore Sim card as well.
[QUOTE=Hornyscot]Channel four the sex tourist features bangkok tonight 19th December.
Heads up for those that dont already know ![/QUOTE]It showed two girls trying to get Farang husbands in a Bar in Nana, only problem was the bar wasn't anywhere near Nana. It was a pool bar that faced onto a main road.
Rednose
I want to recommend a legitimate massage place for those of you who are running low on gas and staying near Soi 33 (read Livingstones). Cefle is an upscale, legit, professional place offering a variety of masssage therapys. I chose the 90 minute oil massage for 600 bhat or about $20 us. Absolutely outstanding service. This place is opposite the "Office Bar and Grill" in an alley just offof Soi 33/2. Tiled floors and walls. First level devoted to foot massage. Second level traditional Thai massage in one open space with clothes on. Fourth level nice individual rooms with their own shower for pre and post massage. This is the kind of place you can hit in your "down" time. I could see doing this each day staying at Livingstones.
[QUOTE=Xdentx]I want to recommend a legitimate massage place .....[/QUOTE]What exactly do you mean by 'legitimate massage place'?
Is it an euphimism for a place where they won't let you f**k?
(This is supposed to be a serious question)
[QUOTE=Xdentx]I want to recommend a legitimate massage place for those of you who are running low on gas and staying near Soi 33 (read Livingstones). [/QUOTE]
I totally agree, this is like going to heaven without getting laid :)
Seriously speaking, I did a 120 minute session while my buddy was doing Miki at Akane up the soi and excellent service, all legit. Highly recommended.
This is my first trip to Thailand. A short jaunt from my current base in another asian country. My luck could be better. I've tried 2 gogo girls (one from patpong--a "mistake" I know) and the other from Nana, and neither had the first idea about their jobs. Total dead fish. I've run across this type before, but at least they tried. These girls were awful.
I then tried Annie's fishbowl near Nana based on some touting on the Internet. Again, just awful. I finally picked a girl out of guilt, and thinking I should have one shot at the soapy experience, but after she got close I just left and wrote off the 1500B plus mamasan tip.
Okay, that said, I know that this is monger heaven--my god, there are hookers hanging out in front of McDonalds! But still, I've not quite hit the jackpot. I know, RTTF.
In the news you can use category, the Infinity JC place just off of Patpong is completely renovated (based on the old reviews I read, which were blase). It looks quite upscale and elegant. The girls there were very tasty looking, including about 4 bona fide stunners (at least at 6pm on Thursday). Unfortunately, I hit that joint first, and they were quoting 4k-5k, which was double what I had read on the net, so I thought it was a ripoff. They came down to 3k, but that was still higher than the old report. My sense, however, is that they have improved the quality about 2 or 3 notches. The other clients there appeared to be japanese. Another soapy nearby, Versailles, was closed for renovations.
I've got one more night. Any sure bets?
BR
[QUOTE=Member #2041]It depends. Is it a GSM or CDMA phone? - LG makes different versions for different carriers - for example, if yours is a Verizon phone, it's CDMA, and you can't use it in Thailand, period. If it's a GSM phone, what are the frequency bands that it supports, as not all bands can be used in both the U.S. and Thailand. We really can't deduce anything unless we know what carrier service you use in the U.S., as that is what dictatates the characteristics of a phone bought in the U.S.
As a general rule, phones that are sold through U.S. carriers are NOT compatible with many of the international GSM frequencies. But some are - they are called Quad Band GSM world phones - but unless you specifically sought out such a thing when you acquired your U.S. cell phone, it is highly unlikely that you would have one of these.[/QUOTE]
There are 4 GSM frequencies in use throughout the world. Also called bands. 850 and 1900 mhz are the ones used in the Americas while 900 and 1800 mhz are the ones used in Europe and most of Asia. That includes LOS, HK and the Phils, to name 3 favorite monger destinations. There are very few countries outside the US that use CDMA; I think South Korea may be the only one in Asia?
A standard dual band phone bought in the US will not work overseas; by the same token, a dual band phone bought overseas will not work in the US. Tri band phones will overcome some of that, but your best bet for full coverage anywhere that has GSM is to buy a quad band phone, that way all four bands are covered. You can pick one up on Ebay for relatively cheap. So that cheapie phone you buy at the mobile phone stand in BKK is likely a dual band phone that will not work in the US, but that's OK if you don't intend to use it at home.
[QUOTE=DRRonin]But this also brings up an issue that I discuss with friends but no one really has an answer - where have all the good looking freelancers gone? A few years ago the Nana Disco was packed, the Nana parking lot was packed, Thermae was packed, the Beer Garden was packed, Sukhumvit was packed, the Grace was packed. None of these places are that great any more - so where did they go? Nobody seems to know - are there just a lot fewer girls in the biz than there was five years ago? Or are they so spread out now?[/QUOTE]
Dear DR, it is obvious to anyone who is following the decline of Thailand as a destination for our hobby that the numbers and even moreso the quality of both freelancers and girls who are pimped by bars has fallen precipitously. That, coupled with continued growth in the numbers of desperate first world men visiting means that prices are shooting up, service is becoming rapidly worse, and scams are being attempted more often.
Thailand is just a few years away from becoming a South Korea.
[QUOTE=DRRonin]But this also brings up an issue that I discuss with friends but no one really has an answer - where have all the good looking freelancers gone? A few years ago the Nana Disco was packed, the Nana parking lot was packed, Thermae was packed, the Beer Garden was packed, Sukhumvit was packed, the Grace was packed. None of these places are that great any more - so where did they go? Nobody seems to know - are there just a lot fewer girls in the biz than there was five years ago? Or are they so spread out now?[/QUOTE]I can't speak about past years, but quite a few SW ladies I meet speak of getting hassled by the police who fine them 1000 Baht. I understand that a law regarding such a fine has been in place since well before 2007, but as to how it has been enforced in these areas at various times is another matter. No doubt this situation has driven many P4P TGs off the streets. That being said, however, IMO there still seems to be an abundance of fine shrimp available to tap. In the past, perhaps, there was an over abundance, which would also explain the drop in numbers. Another factor involved could be the drop in tourism, hence less customers. The recent hot BKK weather does not help, and a little bird told me her friends in Phuket say there are many farang.
[QUOTE=Finrod]There are 4 GSM frequencies in use throughout the world. There are very few countries outside the US that use CDMA. A standard dual band phone bought in the US will not work overseas; by the same token, a dual band phone bought overseas will not work in the US. [/QUOTE]Most USA providers have "international roaming" but it does cost. It works for me as I can receive and send calls without anyone knowing where I am (when I'm suppose to be in NYC and am instead in BKK). NOTE: The giveaway is the ringing tone to an alert caller. The subject of SIM-card/frequency capable phones have already been beat to death so I won't discuss it further.
[QUOTE=RedNose]It showed two girls trying to get Farang husbands in a Bar in Nana, only problem was the bar wasn't anywhere near Nana. It was a pool bar that faced onto a main road.
Rednose[/QUOTE]Very disappointing - couldnt work out where the sort of arcade was where the girls bar was - no full shots of Nana or anywhere really.
Some funny descriptions of terms like "barfines" and "ladydrinks" .
Managed to see most of it when wife was upstairs so avoided awkward questions about my forthcoming trip
[QUOTE=Xdentx]I want to recommend a legitimate massage place for those of you who are running low on gas and staying near Soi 33 (read Livingstones). Cefle is an upscale, legit, professional place offering a variety of masssage therapys. I chose the 90 minute oil massage for 600 bhat or about $20 us. Absolutely outstanding service. This place is opposite the "Office Bar and Grill" in an alley just offof Soi 33/2. Tiled floors and walls. First level devoted to foot massage. Second level traditional Thai massage in one open space with clothes on. Fourth level nice individual rooms with their own shower for pre and post massage. This is the kind of place you can hit in your "down" time. I could see doing this each day staying at Livingstones.[/QUOTE]
Your a sick sick puppy, going for a torture session with no fun. Just kidding :D
The girl must have been stupendously gorgeous to be worth it.
But I thought the 'General Reports' thread was for non-mongering stuff.
Thank you ALL for chiming in on my question. I successfully unlocked my SAMSUNG T629 phone, got a new SIM card (and phone number) and 100 baht extra credits at MBK for the grand total of 700 baht. So I did save about $7.
[QUOTE=Berty Russ]
I've got one more night. Any sure bets?
BR[/QUOTE]There are no such things as sure bets, because so many variables. But PM me for a couple of suggestions.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Dear DR, it is obvious to anyone who is following the decline of Thailand as a destination for our hobby that the numbers and even moreso the quality of both freelancers and girls who are pimped by bars has fallen precipitously. That, coupled with continued growth in the numbers of desperate first world men visiting means that prices are shooting up, service is becoming rapidly worse, and scams are being attempted more often.
Thailand is just a few years away from becoming a South Korea.[/QUOTE]
If all of this is true it's truly problematic. Do other experienced mongers agree with this view of monger scene degradation in Thailad ?
I was there almost two years ago and it seemed there was enough numbers and quality, was the 19th of September the turnaround of all of this ?
[QUOTE=Montecristo]If all of this is true it's truly problematic. Do other experienced mongers agree with this view of monger scene degradation in Thailad ?
I was there almost two years ago and it seemed there was enough numbers and quality, was the 19th of September the turnaround of all of this ?[/QUOTE]
I actually don't agree with this. While my Thailand experience only goes back 3 years, I have NOT seen a noticeable degradation over those 3 years. What I have seen is that some venues have declined (NEP and Nana Car Park), while others (Biergarten) have improved. In terms of the particular caliber of ladies that I ended up going with, the most recent trip that I just returned from - it seemed to me that I was finding better ladies on average than the past couple of trips at the same prices. This was observed in both Bangkok and Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Finrod] There are very few countries outside the US that use CDMA; I think South Korea may be the only one in Asia?[/QUOTE]CDMA is the basis for what we call 3G in the UK. Most 3G phones are GSM and CDMA, due to the lack of coverage. But I you have a standard SIM and buy a CDMA handset, you will probably only be able to use the GSM functionality.
Rednose
[QUOTE=Montecristo]If all of this is true it's truly problematic. Do other experienced mongers agree with this view of monger scene degradation in Thailad ?
I was there almost two years ago and it seemed there was enough numbers and quality, was the 19th of September the turnaround of all of this ?[/QUOTE]
Define degradation?
If you mean looks, one could argue whether more or less stunners available. As I get older, less (relative to service) demanding when it comes to looks ;)
If you mean 'service', I would agree that over the past 25-30 years, level of service at MP and freelancers have gone down...I think primarily due to more mongers and less educated/demanding clientele.
POV, other's might not agree.
thanks to everyone for their great reports. i must say i had what i think is some good luck with nana car park, here are a couple of fl that i picked up
also i got a great bbbj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], annie's had the oldest ugliest women wtf
thermae was packed with japanese men and some cute girls and some foul ones as well, but not my scene
all in all a great time never spent more than 1500baht lt i didn't like nana plaza at all more fun at soi cowboy.
I'm about to travel to Thailand for the first time, on business unfortunately, but wanted to at least get in one visit to the famed Eden Club. I've seen lots of what seems to be good advice on when to arrive for a 90 minute session to get a better selection, but not much on the selection available for LT. Any advice from Evil or anyone else that knows the Club? If girls can be reserved earlier by non-members willing to pay more, let me know. Money isn't really an issue, but quality of service is. Any advice, any suggestions of alternatives, etc. , all appreciated, but I will only be out of meetings for one day and one night, and flying out late morning the day after that.
Thanks all.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Define degradation?
If you mean looks, one could argue whether more or less stunners available. As I get older, less (relative to service) demanding when it comes to looks ;)
If you mean 'service', I would agree that over the past 25-30 years, level of service at MP and freelancers have gone down...I think primarily due to more mongers and less educated/demanding clientele.
POV, other's might not agree.[/QUOTE]
To Traveler, by degradation, i mean the whole experience, it will be a mix of everything, , if nowadays we are having more second thoughts about choosing Thailand as monger destination
I was searching some of my old posts and wanted to chime in on a recent stay at the Dream. I had requested info on the hotel and received a few private messages.
Dream was a great hotel. The rooms were nice, it was totally guest friendly, and I would repeat.
If anyone has any questions, please message me.
Thanks Skeeter.
180 (the pair, actually the one on the right) was exquisite. Were they recruited at Nana or Cowboy ?
[QUOTE=Skeeter Pratt]
All in all a great time never spent more than 1500baht LT I didn't like Nana Plaza at all more fun at Soi Cowboy.[/QUOTE]
Skeeeter's photo 180 is the best looking babe I have seen on this board in a long time. Excellent tits. I would like to run into her next week if Skeeter would tell us where.
An interesting story to tell, proving that sometimes things do just work out…
It was my last night in BKK, and after one or two OK experiences I thought I would find myself something special: two girls overnight. Didn’t really know how easy/hard it would be. Thought about going along to Eden’s for the 2 girl experience, but really wanted much more of an o/n GFE.
Anyway, I wandered into the Biergarden at about 2pm for a beer and to check out the scene, perhaps pick up a few phone numbers for reserve. In fact there was only one girl I fancied, lovely brown hair with a few silver strands, and a slightly larger frame than many Thai girls, but very shapely. Got chatting, though she wasn’t over-friendly and made it clear that she would only go ST, and she was only 21 which is a bit young for my tastes. Anyway, said good-bye and wandered off to do a bit of shopping. Came back to the Biergarden at about 5pm, and noticed she was still there, so sat down a few spaces away and briefly commiserated with her on the lack of customers. Anyway, a very petite young lady then returned to her seat between us, and immediately started chatting in a very friendly way. She was 28, slightly less attractive but not bad looking by any means. Don’t know how it arose, but she started saying that sometimes she thinks she is a bit crazy and should go and see a ‘head doctor’. ‘Oh, why’s that?’ I asked. ‘Because I like ladies too!’ came the reply, which started me thinking… ‘Do you have any friends?’ I asked. ‘This lady here,’ she said, indicating the cutie next to her.
I explained that I was looking for a special night and would like to take two ladies back to my hotel overnight, and would they both agree to that? Agreed a price, and I said I would meet them in the bar outside my hotel at 6.30pm. I got down there for 6.30pm, and immediately received a text saying they had gone for some food and would be along in 10 minutes. I started to have a bad feeling about this, but true to their word they turned up about 15 minutes later. Had a couple of cocktails to get us all in the mood and wandered upstairs. To cut a long story short, we had a great evening. The girls just wanted to stay in, watch a bit of TV, and have a very pleasant time together. There was no rush to leave in the morning, although I packed them off at about 10am so I could do some last minute shopping before departure.
I know from past experience that a 2-girl event can be used as an excuse to do half the work for double the money, but there is something very special about it when the girls are compatible. OK, it wasn’t a full-on lesbian experience, but still a happy memory. I agreed 2500Bht each, and before you flame me for over-paying I should say that the petite lady wanted 3000Bht for LT, and the opportunity just seemed too good to miss. It gave me a pleasant o/n (16 hours) GFE for about 1000Bht more than Eden’s (for 90minutes), and basically gave me what I was looking for: a very relaxed and laid back time with a couple of attentive girls. At least I was able to get on my flight with a big grin on my face.
Hello guys,
What are from your experiences, on a girl quality pointof view, the best gogos in BKK and Pattaya from 1 to 10?
What is the best place? I think Soy Cowboy in nice and fun
Hey guys,
I picked up 180 in Nana car park at 2 AM.
Amazingly there still seems to be a lot of people who are not aware that under no circumstance should you allow your bill to be converted into your home currency when you pay for it (Point Of Sale. POS).
You should be aware that Thailand has "onshore" and "offshore" exchange rates, the onshore rate is much higher than the offshore rate. For example the "onshore" rate in Thailand is around 68 Baht for pounds sterling. The "offshore" rate is around 63 Baht.
If you pay for goods or services on a credit card, and are charged in local currency (eg Baht). You will get billed by your credit card issuer using the "onshore" rate, which is higher which saves you money, its the same rate you are changing your cash for.
If you let them charge you in your home currency, the machine will convert the Baht at the "offshore" rate (the rate of conversion you'll find in small print on the receipt, and you'll see its very low).
This is a con. And its a nice little earner for the banks whose machines are utilised to "Convert to home currency".
If you are asked if you want to pay in your home currency, say "NO".
If you are not asked, then check your receipt and see if the machine has automatically charged you in local currency. Eg you have Baht and then it shows a charge in your home currency. If this is the case please tell the service person to cancel the charge, and charge again in local currency only.
I have known this for some time, but some people still are unaware of this issue in Thailand.
Please be aware!
[QUOTE=Prophead]I'm about to travel to Thailand for the first time, on business unfortunately, but wanted to at least get in one visit to the famed Eden Club. I've seen lots of what seems to be good advice on when to arrive for a 90 minute session to get a better selection, but not much on the selection available for LT. Any advice from Evil or anyone else that knows the Club? If girls can be reserved earlier by non-members willing to pay more, let me know. Money isn't really an issue, but quality of service is. Any advice, any suggestions of alternatives, etc. , all appreciated, but I will only be out of meetings for one day and one night, and flying out late morning the day after that.
Thanks all.[/QUOTE]
You need to get there as early as possible to get the best selection I think it opens around noon, having said that when I was in BKK in March I went there one night around 8ish and my two grils were great I think one of them was called gun (soory not very good at remembering name)s.
[QUOTE=Almotu]Thank you ALL for chiming in on my question. I successfully unlocked my SAMSUNG T629 phone, got a new SIM card (and phone number) and 100 baht extra credits at MBK for the grand total of 700 baht. So I did save about $7.[/QUOTE]A little late to chime in, but why not just buy a cool quad band phone in Thailand? You can then swap sim cards for whatever country you are in with no problem. That's what I do and it works just fine here in the USA with T-Mobile (no unlocking required).
OK, so the phone costs more in Thailand than in USA, but you can use it ANYWHERE!!! Just buy the phone sim card for the country you are in (which also gives you a local, in-country phone number, making it cheaper to call the local ladies with) and save it for future trips. I find SD card storage boxes are useful to keep track of my phone sim cards.
MadVic
[quote=skeeter pratt]thanks to everyone for their great reports. i must say i had what i think is some good luck with nana car park, here are a couple of fl that i picked up
also i got a great bbbj at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url], annie's had the oldest ugliest women wtf
thermae was packed with japanese men and some cute girls and some foul ones as well, but not my scene
all in all a great time never spent more than 1500baht lt i didn't like nana plaza at all more fun at soi cowboy.[/quote]i have to say as well, the girl in 180 is fine! skeeter you have to tell us more details of your adventure. you sound like you had a good time.
thanks for the info,
tom
[QUOTE=ThaiLearner]You need to get there as early as possible to get the best selection I think it opens around noon, having said that when I was in BKK in March I went there one night around 8ish and my two grils were great I think one of them was called gun (soory not very good at remembering name)s.[/QUOTE]
Eden does not open till at least 13:00 but a real Eden expert can give the correct time.
[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Skeeeter's photo 180 is the best looking babe I have seen on this board in a long time. Excellent tits. I would like to run into her next week if Skeeter would tell us where.[/QUOTE]
Strange looking tits to me. Shape is a bit odd, but not excessively so.
But makes me think of either very good silicone job or saline, or perhaps reverse lipo suction, i.e. suck the fat out of the belly and bottom and pump into the tits. I once met a girl at Cleopatra MP who had had such a tit job and they very high but slightly strange to the touch.
Perhaps skeeter can indicate he has done the full exploratory examination and put paid to my silly theories.
But its amazing how a pair of tits can make guys swoon.
Some more pics of this girl please!
Was she really that pretty?
Certainly she was well photographed!
Agree with the ML's previous oddly-shaped-tits comment upon further examination. But the nipples seem to be normal size which suggests no silicone, so maybe your theory about saline additions or reverse lipo-suction are plausible. I am no great fan of fake tits and tend to avoid them, but don't mind so much if they are soft. Further comments by Skeeter would be both helpful and welcome. However, before rendering final judgment I would prefer to taste the evidence in question.
The wench on the left is certainly casting an approving eyeful, so they can't be all that bad.
Her tits are quite real. I used to work in a strip club I have seen more than enough fake tits to know the difference and she had just turned 18 so I doubt they are fake.
[QUOTE=Skeeter Pratt]Her tits are quite real. [/QUOTE]I did not know that there was such a thing as "Quite real", either they are real or they are not, there can't be any grey area when it comes to titties LOL
[QUOTE=Skeeter Pratt]Her tits are quite real. I used to work in a strip club I have seen more than enough fake tits to know the difference and she had just turned 18 so I doubt they are fake.[/QUOTE]
I can't believe that I leave Thailand and the Nana Parking lot and that shows up - bad timing! Hope she is still around by the time I get back - its pretty rare coming across something like that in the parking lot. If you have any other picts of her - esp. her face so that I can recognize her - it would be greatly appreciated. I think I know the other girl but its hard to say for sure from that angle - she used to work at the Mandarin when I went with her some four months ago - turned out to be a bit of a nut job but a fun one - but wasn't really into giving oral until after I finished - and showered and came out and then she started giving me great head - but I was like "errr that would have been great 20 minutes ago"! But then the next time I saw her and didn't take her she turned into the artic before global warming and wouldn't even talk to me again.
NicFrenchy,
You are right the are just real.
[QUOTE=Skeeter Pratt]Her tits are quite real. I used to work in a strip club I have seen more than enough fake tits to know the difference and she had just turned 18 so I doubt they are fake.[/QUOTE]
O.K. Apologies for being a doubter. Very interesting looking tits for sure.
Now we all want to feel them in detail. :p
[QUOTE=Prophead] I've seen lots of what seems to be good advice on when to arrive for a 90 minute session to get a better selection, but not much on the selection available for LT. Any advice from Evil or anyone else that knows the Club? If girls can be reserved earlier by non-members willing to pay more, let me know.[/QUOTE]
Prophead -
I'll try to explain, although it is a bit complicated. The Eden Club officially opens at 1.00 p.m. That's the time by which all the ladies who are working on a given day are supposed to be in place. Theoretically at least, you have the biggest chance of seeing the longest line-up, i.e. most women, if you are in the bar at 1.00 p.m. In reality, it's not that simple.
The doors to the Eden Club open before 1.00 p.m. on most days and there are often punters who immediately choose to have a session without waiting for the full line-up. I've been there at 12.30 p.m. and already guys were selecting girls. I've also seen 14 ladies disappear from the line-up within two minutes around 1.00 p.m. because there was a rush of early customers. Two thirds of the available ladies were occupied by 1.15 p.m. that day.
On the other hand, I've been there at 1.00 p.m. and seen line-ups of 30 ladies or more. It varies from day to day and luck has lot to do with it.
It's the same ladies who do the 90-minute inhouse sessions as well as the L/T takeaway. The best advice is still to be at Eden beween 12.45 and 1.00 p.m., look at the line-up and book a lady for the evening. Overnight takeaway is between 10.00 p.m. and at least 6.00 a.m. the next morning, although the ladies often stay longer. Just make sure the manager understands what you're after.
If it isn't possible for you to be at Eden at 1.00 p.m. because you're busy elsewhere, then drop in when you can and explain the situation to the manager. Bruce is very obliging and service-oriented. He goes out of this way to make sure customers are happy. He'll help you choose the right lady, even if she isn't available right at that moment. Remember that the service is uniformly excellent from every Eden lady. The looks may vary, but the service never does.
Hope this helps.
Evil
Sorry Skeeter, but there's no way in god's green earth that 180's tits are real. They may be a really good job, capable of fooling you, but the shape of those tits, has never occurred in nature, not least of all in an Asian lady - the unnatural angular shape (as opposed to round) of the curve on the bottom is from an implant. Not to say that she is not quite attractive in any case, but a surgeon definitely gets a share of the credit.
[QUOTE=DRRonin]I can't believe that I leave Thailand and the Nana Parking lot and that shows up - bad timing! Hope she is still around by the time I get back - its pretty rare coming across something like that in the parking lot. [/QUOTE]
I was in BKK back in August, and there were girls in the Nana car park like 180 almost every night. They start showing up at 1:30 to 2:00am like clock work. You need to act fast. I see too many guys looking around for something better, and then end up with nothing, as other guys move in while they are deciding.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I was in BKK back in August, and there were girls in the Nana car park like 180 almost every night. They start showing up at 1:30 to 2:00am like clock work. You need to act fast. I see too many guys looking around for something better, and then end up with nothing, as other guys move in while they are deciding.
AT2[/QUOTE]
How long does it take you to size up a girl and check the chemistry? Do you need to chat first?
I am a little slow which is why Eden is out for me, as the girls their don't want to waste time chatting even for a couple of minutes.
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I was in BKK back in August, and there were girls in the Nana car park like 180 almost every night. They start showing up at 1:30 to 2:00am like clock work. You need to act fast. I see too many guys looking around for something better, and then end up with nothing, as other guys move in while they are deciding.
AT2[/QUOTE]
I have always been a big fan of Nana Car Park ----but you are spot on about acting fast, a cutie will be snapped up in minutes, sometimes it is worth going slightly over your budget to get the girl of your choice, quality always comes at a price.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]How long does it take you to size up a girl and check the chemistry? Do you need to chat first?
I am a little slow which is why Eden is out for me, as the girls their don't want to waste time chatting even for a couple of minutes.[/QUOTE]
Mick,
You only have a few minutes. If you are chatting with one of the girls, the other guys will not cut in. The moment you leave her, to talk to someone else, you will probably not get a 2nd chance to go back.
I usually stay at the Dynasty Inn Grande, when I'm in mongering mode, so I often pass the car park around that time.
AT2
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Mick,
You only have a few minutes. If you are chatting with one of the girls, the other guys will not cut in. The moment you leave her, to talk to someone else, you will probably not get a 2nd chance to go back.
I usually stay at the Dynasty Inn Grande, when I'm in mongering mode, so I often pass the car park around that time.
AT2[/QUOTE]
Well I just arrived at Dynasty Inn Grande. Using the cafe wifi till my room is ready. Just one hour to wait is not bad at 7 AM. I just missed the traffic rush hours by arriving early at the airport.
I will have to try to pass the car park at the right time of night, as I haven't seen any real lookers there for a while. That means exiting the Soi Cowboy bars before late unofficial closing time I guess.
Anyway its going to be busy today. How many mongering gigs can I fit in?
Arriving sex-starved is a good thing. Means stamina will be at maximum.
Was slightly worried in the plane waking with a rock hard-on that wouldn't go down for a long time. Had to put a blanket over me in case the indian girl in the next seat to me got a shock.
But I need a shower badly before the mongering can start.
GF hasn't returned from Ubon yet so a free pass today.
Howdy:
I have a trip planned for February 4th. 13th to BKK. Could someone please guide me to the best parts of our forums where I could glean info such as current rates, expected bar fines, and such? There's a lot of great info here at ISG, but I am having difficulty finding specific information.
Sorry if this is posted in the wrong spot. I can re-post as necessary, I just want some guidance.
by accident, found this awesome little spinner near nana. about 5 feet, cute as a button, literally a little doll with a dainty small mouth, looked about 16, though i checked, she was in fact 19 (adjusted in thai years). 1500 thb for long time. turns out she is studying english (had her papers to prove it).
back to my room, she strips off. my god ! tiny little thing, fully shaven and smooth, and a tiny little, snug pink pussy. not that thai look, but pink, tiny and irrisistable, and a gorgeous smile (and laugh) at me as my eyes bugged out. baby smooth skin, and just this tiny doll like creature.
this bode well. she started kissing my nipples whilst her dainty and tiny little hand started ever so slightly scraping my balls with a playful squeeze now and then. needless to say, i was rock hard and incredibly turned on. her hand kept brushing my cock, and then she turned around, put her muff in my face. my cock was suddenly in this amazingly wet and hot mouth while she started to massage my balls and every now and then a finger massaged itself ever so softly over my butt. this girl knew her stuff and what drives men completely mad.
so here i am, going nuts from this hot little mouth giving a hot, soft, slow bj with plenty of tongue and action and lips clamping on and off like a porn star. this girl looked so hot, innocent and cherubic.
her pussy was sweet and very soon wet, no objections as i played with her pussy and ass, just little muffled groans and giggles. i knew this girl would be tight. i was getting very close, so i pulled out, covered up, parted her legs (and that gorgeous pink pussy). it was so small and pink i thought "will it fit" ?
but it did, in mish, straight in one slide (this girl was wet), and my god, she was soooo tight. she started kissing me as i thrusted like crazy, then looked at me sweetly and her hand somehow came up underneath her, squeezed my balls, and i came with one of the most intense orgasms in my life, my eyes watered, heart pounding and this exhiliarting feeling.
two days later i still have her. blow jobs on demand, toys, thigh high leggings and wild sex. not even looking at other chicks, and she knows it. yep, led by the groin, but sex five times a day without tiring and sharing a drink with her (she even like red wine - and can pick the different types) makes this one a keeper. she knows how to keep her man ! i give her a few thousand baht every day and she is really happy, even buys me meals.
photos to follow - best pussy i have seen - pink ! tiny ! sweet ! tight ! shaven ! seeing that in the mirror all stretched out and extended around my cock, like her delicate little small mouth and cherub face is totally destroying my mind.
wonderful time to be alive. how can thailand have such pretty and sexy women who are so feminine and offer mind blowing sex ?
PM,
The girl you picked up near Nana sound so much like the girl I saw in November outside the Nana parking lot next to the Phamacy. Around 18:00 when I left the hotel with by buddy to head over to Tulip we saw 2 girls both were cute and stunning. Of all my years mongering in and out of Nana Hotel never saw 2 girls in that class. My eyes pop out and my buddies dick was pushing through the zipper. We both wanted to take them but we also wanted to get a oil massage at Tulip which is a sure thing when it comes to service. So we smiled and said we would be back! but when we walk away we knew no way they were going to be around but it didn't stop us from hoping. Hours later when we came back from Tulip exhausted they were gone never saw them again that evening.
You just never know when you're not looking what turns up!
LBM
[QUOTE=Juan Depussy]Howdy:
I have a trip planned for February 4th. 13th to BKK. Could someone please guide me to the best parts of our forums where I could glean info such as current rates, expected bar fines, and such? There's a lot of great info here at ISG, but I am having difficulty finding specific information.
Sorry if this is posted in the wrong spot. I can re-post as necessary, I just want some guidance.[/QUOTE]
Under the heading "Threads in Forum: Thailand" you will find "Announcement: Thailand FAQ". Try this first. It will also give some hints on searching.
Sometimes there is no obvious word/words for a search, so when all else fails ask your very specific questions. But lets hope you have done a bit of searching and general browsing first. But sure its not always easy to find something specific.
Be sure to tell us what you want to do rather than ask us what you should do, because everyone is different!
1. Cock-grabbing in MBK: I was walking at the sixth floor in MBK (many little shops selling shirts and things like that) when a lady came to me and said something like "have a look in my shop, nobody is inside". I went in, had a look at the souvenirs and then she started to massage and play with my cock through my pants. However, I looked at her and I got suspicious: in "her" face there was something of a ladyboy. Needless to say I got out of there as fast as possible.
2. Stardust: One night at about 2AM a taxi-driver at Petchburi asked me to go to a "club" nearby. Normally I would refuse but that night I got curious and went with him to club Stardust near Ratchadamri. It's not a very attractive club, to say the least. Inside some 50 men (mainly Europeans) were drinking at chatting. There was also some kind of tribune were some 20/30 were sitting, waiting to get invited by the guests. The place seems runned by maffia-like dudes. When I entered one of these dudes came to me and took me to a sofa in the back of the bar. He asked me what I wanted for a drink. I took one coke and then he responded by saying in a harsh way "200 BAHT, YOU PAY NOW, YOU PAY NOW! " Meanwhile almost all the girls were looking and smiling at me. Normally that would be very flattering and good but somehow this "club" was not for me, too hostile. I paid the bill, and got the hell out of there.
Cannot really recommend this Stardust. (BTW: The girls are average-looking and you pay the bar 2000Bht. ! )
3. Attacked by dogs: Chavalla II in Sukh. Soi 34 is one my favourite MP's. Normally there is no FS offered but I know some very sexy chicks in there. Last time I went there, the dogs that roam near the petrol station became agressive when they saw me. I don't know what happened to them that night, normally they are quiet; maybe couldn't bear strangers. I didn't want to take the risk of getting infected by tetanus so I turned around and had a session at Tulip Massage that was not bad at all.
4. The (Coyote) dances at Sopranos and The Resort are still my favourite. What is shown here is real sexy dancing and it excites me much more than dances at bars in SoiCowboy.
5. Anyone ever had massage at "Homm Aroma Therapy" at Sukh. Soi 26?
as i had to fly out of suvarn airport in bkk, i wanted to stay in bangkok for a couple of days to see what things are like nowadays in los. last time i visited thailand was some 3-4 yrs ago, so suffice to say, a few things have changed in bkk, especially around the lower suk area where i always stay. my trip this time had me spending most of my time (2 weeks) in pattaya, as i had some major dental work done at a very new and high quality clinic in pattaya. i also posted a few reports in the pattaya section.
transportation:
in the past, i would catch the airport express bus on suk and head straight to don muang airport. on this trip, with the new airport and a late afternoon departure, i thought i would take my time and save a few baht (not that a few bahts matter much to me, but i want to experience an alternate route to see for myself and to report it to other punters).
i got on the skytrain at asoke station (soi 19 & suk), got off at last stop on nut (25 baht). then went down to street level and waited for the #552 orange-colored bus that goes to the suvarn airport bus terminal. 15 mins later, a #552 shows up, boarded, paid less than 20 baht. journey time: skytrain ride (10mins), wait time for #552 (15 mins), bus ride (45 mins), airport free shuttle from bus terminal to dep level (10 mins), all in...1hr and 20 mins, at a total cost of about 40 bahts. cheap and relatively quick and hassle free. the #552 was only 1/3 full and is fully a/c. i found this option is better than waiting for the airport express ae3 bus because sometimes one could wait up to an hour (happened to me in the past) for one of these airport express buses to show up. whereas the #552 runs on regular frequency of about every 15 mins.
suk fl's:
when i was in pattaya prior to coming up to bkk, i had all my honeys from the promenade walkway on beach road. st 500 baht, lt 1000 baht. last time i was in bkk (3-4 yrs ago), i remember i could get fl along suk in the evening for 500-700st and 1000-1200lt on a consistent basis. but this time in bkk, i was quoted at least 1000st, and quite often 1500 or 2000 st. man that's expensive. for lt, i was getting quotes nothing less than 2000. with this kind of pricing, i decided that i would get some st fun, and if the girl proves to be great, then i could negotiate with her for lt once she is my room, between my sheets (he he). i was able to get a young cutie to go for 800 baht for 2 hrs. she was pretty good, but very much a professional. unlike the fl in pattaya, the ones found on beach road are less city-weary and provide more of a gfe, or at least a more friendly and natural temperment.
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i have always had a postive experience at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] on soi 8 in bkk. and this time around, i had similar positive experiences (2 different ladies on 2 separate days) at 700 baht a pop...or a blow. however, my [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] experience in pattaya was far from satisfactory (read my postings in pattaya section).
annies:
went to check it out thinking i would part-take in the action the next day, but i ended up going to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord900][CodeWord900][/url] instead (i just love sitting back and having a bj expert sucking me long and hard, with nary a word or complaint.) annies is still 1500 baht, and when i went, all the ladies were older, like over 30. but i know going there, i'm not after a model, rather, a very good gf-like experience with someone who is very experienced.
that's it for my 3 days in bkk. wanted to say thanks to all those who have provided valuable info for me and many others. i hope my small contribution may assist others to enjoy los a little better.
tonedog
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Wops! forgot to include the bus schedule for Pattaya AC bus departing from Suvarn Airport Bus Terminal.
I was able to get the nice lady behind the window to write down for me all the buses departing from the Airport Bus Terminal going to Pattaya. The times include both bus co's that operate in the Bus Terminal, and the cost is about 110 baht each, give or take 10 bahts.
Departure time from Suvarn Airport Bus Terminal:
6:40 am
8:00
9:00
11:00
13:00
15:00
17:00
19:00 pm
Now, from my own experience, I would say give yourself at least one hour from the time your plane touch down at the airport till you arrive at the bus terminal. It might even be longer if you're waiting for baggage to arrive. So give yourself plenty of time.
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]I was in BKK back in August, and there were girls in the Nana car park like 180 almost every night. They start showing up at 1:30 to 2:00am like clock work. You need to act fast. I see too many guys looking around for something better, and then end up with nothing, as other guys move in while they are deciding.
AT2[/QUOTE]
You must have been there on a few great nights - I stayed at the Nana from August to December and rarely saw a night that had more than 40-50 girls (ladyboys not included!) -and many far fewer than that. The depletion of the NPL girls due to the constant police harrasment is one of the major complaints I heard from everyone. But there are definitely some cuties to be had if you act fast and sometimes not so fast - a few of the regulars like Nan, Aa, Joy and Porn are among my favorites and are almost always around. Near the end a few new very cute ones showed up - but their potentially too youthful age and their ladyboy mamasan kept me and many others away. Towards the end of my stay I mysteriously developed a desire to have a few girls with large breasts (I almost always prefer smallish ones) without much luck and so would have loved hooking up with #180.
[QUOTE=Pahllus Maximus]. . .My cock was suddenly in this amazingly wet and hot mouth while she started to massage my balls and every now and then a finger massaged itself ever so softly over my butt. This girl knew her stuff and what drives men completely mad.
So here I am, going nuts from this hot little mouth giving a hot, soft, slow BJ with plenty of tongue and action and lips clamping on and off like a porn star. This girl looked so hot, innocent and cherubic.
. . .Photos to follow - best pussy I have seen - pink ! tiny ! sweet ! tight ! shaven ! Seeing that in the mirror all stretched out and extended around my cock, like her delicate little small mouth and cherub face is totally destroying my mind. [/QUOTE]Bravo! It's MIND BLOWING posts like this that keeps me coming back - hoping to experience the same! I popped a boner just reading it.
I was mongering in BKK for the first time for three days last week and I did some stupid things which I hope by sharing them here others would not do the same.
Day 1
I arrived in BKK airport at around 11pm and took the taxi to President Park Hotel at Sukhumvit Sol 24. The driver wanted BHT450 and I thought it was reasonable and so agreed. However, I did not realise the toll charge was not included and therefore ended up paying BHT 450 + BHT 75 (toll charge) + BHT 50 (tip for the driver which I did not want to pay but there was no change) = BHT 575.
Things not to do 1 – always use the meter. On the way back to the airport I paid BHT 220 + BHT 50 (toll charge) + BHT 80 (again this is because there was no change) = BHT 350.
Things not to do 2 – the President Park hotel was at the bottom of Sol 24 which is about BHT 50 taxi ride from Sol Cowboy. The hotel itself was pretty good and cheap but the place is just too inconvenient.
I went to Midnite at Sol Cowboy on my first night, had some beer for BHT 70 each and watched some dancing. The place was a lot more quite than I expected. I picked a girl called Joy for LT for BHT 3000 plus BHT 700 bar fine. Joy had a petite and almost perfect body (only if her boobs were a bit bigger). We went back to the hotel, Joy would not shower with me together and, on the bed, I could only managed a few minutes before unloading my first shot. I wanted another round after some sleep but not until the next morning before I managed to wake her up for round two. After that, I paid her the money and kicked her out of the room as soon as I could (this is because she looked really rough and ugly and I could not face looking at her again).
All in all, Joy had one of the best petite bodies I have ever seen but her service was crap and she looked rough in the morning. I picked her from the bar purely for the experience. There were many girls along Sukhumvit which were just as good looking as bar girls which would cost less.
Day 2
I went to do some sightseeing during day time and got a tuk tuk to China Town. I was told by the driver that it would cost me cheaper if he stopped at a shop as he would receive commission by bringing people there. Since I was in no rush I agreed to that. I was eventually brought to a jewellery shop which was not too bad but the traffic on the way there and back was horrendous.
Things not to do 3 – always stick to metered taxis. You know you will not be ripped off with the price and if you are stuck in a traffic jam, there is the comfort of air conditioning rather than surrounded by car fumes in 30 degree heat.
In the evening I was persuaded by a man on the street to check out a massage parlour on Sukhumvit Sol 1. I was curious and went along. The price was either BHT 1000 or BHT 1200. There were around a dozen girls there to choose from but none of the girls were very appealing. I ordered a beer for BHT 100 and picked girl for BHT 1200 for one hour at the end. The room was upstairs of the building and it was dark, not particularly new and the shower was poor. There was no BBBJ, the massage was crap but the service was good and I was a satisfied customer at the end.
After watching the football and a quick nap in the hotel I went to Nana Plaza and Sol Cowboy at around 11pm. However because of the election, there was an alcohol ban. Both places were very empty and a lot of the girls were standing in the streets and a lot of them were very doable. (I saw about 20 of them standing outside one shopping plaza on Saturday but when I returned the next day there were only a few left.)
Day 3
I had an one hour proper Thai massage at lunch time for BHT 250 and after some food I went to Poseidon for a soapy. It was around 3. 30pm and on the second floor, there were around 20 girls in a fish tank to choose from. They ranged from BHT2000 to BHT2500 for 2 hours. It was far too early as most girls have not yet started work. There was nothing doable so I went upstairs to look at the sideliners and "models". The picking was thin as there were only 6 girls there and an equal number of men. The girls that were available to me at that time cost between BHT 2900 to BHT 4400. (The girls sitting on the right seem to be always the most expensive.)
The "model" quality girls were nothing special and when I looked at the photo album, of 10 "models" there I think I would only choose maybe 2 or 3 of them. At the end, I picked a BHT 2900 girl who had a sweet face and an average body. We went upstairs to the room and she bathed me really well but there was no BJ in the water nor any BBBJ nor any body massage. Sex, however, was very good and Thai women seemed to be able to fake orgasm really well.
When I was on my way out, the place seems to be a lot busier with twice the number of girls. However, I think I must return next time when the place is at its busiest.
Thing not to do 4 – go to a soapy or massage parlour in the afternoon. Many girls simply do not start until 5 or 6 pm.
On the way back from Poseidon to the MTR, there was a bbq buffet and cost only BHT 129. It was excellent value for money and a must try if you were in the area.
At night I went to Patpong to watch football in a pub. After that I was walking around wanted to watch a show. I went led by a man to a place upstairs on the main street. The place had three customers and around 10 not very attractive girls on stage "dancing" (actually it was more like zombies moving). The man who led me here asked if I wanted a beer and I asked how much. He said BHT 100 and he asked if I mind buying him a coke also. I said no but he grabbed a can and ran out of the door. After two minutes, some even uglier looking girls came and ask for money for the show. I was feeling annoyed and said no. It took the girls about 5 minutes to get the message. A few minutes later I was told to pay BHT 1000 for the two drinks. I argued I was told BHT 100 but I knew it would be no use and I have walked straight into a tourist trap. I paid the money and left. However, on the way out I was able to warn another customer who was about to walking to place.
Things not to do 5 – forget Patpong as a mongering place. NP, Sol Cowboy and Sukhumvit area are cheaper, better and much less of a tourist trap.
I wish I had more time in BKK as I wished I had time to visit the soapy again, sample the BJ bars in NP and took a few SW back to the hotel. At the end, my body just could not manage all the things that are on offer in this wonderful city.
Amt299
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I'm a newbie to this forum (but not to Bangkok).
My [i]future[/i] report should read:
"Spent six nights in late January at Livingstone's Lodge. Relaxed (due to jet lag) the first couple of days with massages nearby on either Soi33 or lower Suk at **fill-in shops and names of massage ladies here**.
Met several nice hostesses with good personalities **fill-in names here** at Livingstone's for easy-going LT GFE the remaining nights. As I'm a broken down old cowboy I wasn't looking for a pro rodeo experience, just a nice relaxing ride with a spirited young filly or two. It was memorable..."
Any recommendations on the specifics (hint: **fill-ins**) that will help make this story come true would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks, fon tok
last night was at utopia after 11pm but no girls left over. so went to my usual long gun at soi cowboy.
my two favourite girls were busy with customers already. so just had a few drinks to get drunk. lacking the required attention from the 2 girls i like, i left getting close to 1am. decided just to have a peek in deja vu.
well a set of very ordinary girls were dancing and no bare breasts too. perhaps due to a shortage of girls, the serving staff had to have a turn at gogo dancing. i was still drinking but so bored i started to fall asleep.
i suddenly opened my eyes with the thought to go home when i saw that had some nude dancers now. one tallish fair skinned girl with small breasts was dancing very provocatively showing of a nice shaved pussy wickedly. she was definitely exuding the come and fuck me look. i was now oggling unashamedly. i motioned her to come to me but she indicated she had to dance. then she made the sign of right hand forfinger going in and out of a circle made with 2 fingers of left hand, the "fucking" sign. i nodded agreement immediately. i was probably too drunk to perform, but the inebbriated brain wanted her badly so i was not in a mindset to argue with 2000 baht for her.
turned out they have rooms upstairs so we made a beeline for a room which cost me 300 baht i think.
this girl named may (170cm) clearly loved sex. seems she is not that popular with farangs due to being tall and whitish skinned.
she was wild and wanton and loved showing off her pussy to the max. normally with so much alcohol, i have trouble maintaining a good hard on for a long time. but not with this girl. she was so hot she had me rock hard throughout.
i can't remember everything now but we must have had very nice daty and bbbj. may was quite orgasmic as well.
sex lasted real long as my dick was semi-anaesthetised from the alcohol.
eventually blew my load and was barely able to walk. was nearly a pse (pornstar experience), but didn't ask for her arse.
now here is a great backup. any evening when its late and i have missed out for some reason, a very late wild screw with may can get me relaxed and ready for bed. might even try to take may home some night.
she didn't allow any pics this time.
Hi,
Does anybody know if/where/how I find nice, affordable, shaved, young (20-25) girls in Bangkok when I stay only 2 nights?
Where does it happen? In my hotel room (unobtrusive) or in a club or so?
Where is the best place to go? How much do I have to spend?
Thanks for your help,
D.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Seems she is not that popular with Farangs due to being tall and whitish skinned.
[/QUOTE]But he will surely have an answer.
Mick,
Bloody hell, where do you find the Stamina to visit all them places in so little time? and even manage to write about them? LOL
Keep it up, I'm loving your reports ;)
[QUOTE=Downundaman]Hi,
A) Does anybody know if/where/how I find nice, affordable, shaved, young (20-25) girls in Bangkok when I stay only 2 nights?
B). Where does it happen? In my hotel room (unobtrusive) or in a club or so?
C). Where is the best place to go? D) How much do I have to spend?
Thanks for your help,
D.[/QUOTE]
A). Any of the bar area's in BKK have plenty of girls who would fit that bill. Just ask the mammasan what you want.
B). Up to you, depends upon what you want.
C). No one will give you a straight answer because there is not one.
D). Depends, can be from 500 to 5000. The average seems to be about 2000-3000 for all night in your hotel.
Best bet is to read this board and you will get millions of ideas and a better idea of price etc.
With such fantastic reports on LOS and Bangkok, in particular, I am decided, and feel obliged, to start 2008 by flying there next 8 january,and I think it will be my most wise decision of the year.
Any mongers around for a beer or a nice pussy hunt, please PM.
Cheers and all the best for 2008!
Barek
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Mick,
Bloody hell, where do you find the Stamina to visit all them places in so little time? and even manage to write about them? LOL
[/QUOTE]
Fortunately, I don't have to do any work right now. Also I am lacking in sleep. The Thai bargirls call me "Mee Panda" (Panda Bear) due to dark smudges under the eyes.
Hello,
I'd like to know if someone knows something about a waitress workin in Nana Hotel, her name is Jarasti Y. (i saw the name on her tag)... is she maybe "available"?^^
Thanks a lot
[QUOTE=Francesco24]Hello,
I'd like to know if someone knows something about a waitress workin in Nana Hotel, her name is Jarasti Y. (i saw the name on her tag)... is she maybe "available"?^^
Thanks a lot[/QUOTE]
Yes! PM me for details.
Hi,
Is there a good place where I can find good looking girls providing the famous oil massage, one where they rub their tits and pussy all over you and then fuck you.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Downundaman]Hi,
Does anybody know if/where/how I find nice, affordable, shaved, young (20-25) girls in Bangkok when I stay only 2 nights?
Where does it happen? In my hotel room (unobtrusive) or in a club or so?
Where is the best place to go? How much do I have to spend?
Thanks for your help,
D.[/QUOTE]
Downundaman,
I think you will really find it helpful to browse through the pages in this thread. There's a lot of information. There are way too many options. There are Go-Go's where you can select one of the dancers, or bars where you select a hostess, freelancers all up and down several miles of road called Sukhumvit, Oil Massage Parlors, Escorts, Soapy Massage Parlors with a Fish Bowl with 30 to 75 girls for browsing and selection, Night Clubs, on and on.
Figure around 10,000 girls and counting, within Bangkok. The price range is between US$30 to US$150 (1,000 to 5,000 baht), with US$150 being the highend girls. On average, expect about US$80 after you add in drinks and a barfine for Go-Go's and about US$90 in the Soapy Massages. You can easily get laid for US$30, but you of course, some girls will not settle for that amount. The fun is in the hunt and you can do a lot of hunting in two nights.
Read the reports of distinction thread for some good tips and stories too. Some of it will depend on what hotel you are staying at and how much actual mongering time you will have in the two days/nights. Will you also be working? If you are, then stick with the simple to find venues. If you have all your time free, then hit one of the Soapy's on Ratchadpisek for one of those only Bangkok experiences. Go there early (between 4:00pm and 6:00pm) for best selection. You will get 60 to 90 minutes of fun.
This will leave you the rest of the night to recharge and find someone at the Go-Go's, Bars, Night Clubs, etc. to find an all nighter. Nana and Soi Cowboy are two famous Go-Go scenes. You will pay what is called a "barfine", which is the price you pay for the bar to let the girl go with you. Varies, but expect to pay around 600 baht. There's a more expensive scene on Soi 33, which will cost you 1,500 baht for the barfine and some 3,000 baht or more for the girl.
You can stay with your girl, or send her off the next morning (they may also need to leave), and you can hit a oily massage place in the morning for a cheap 400 to 600 baht massage and could end up with a hj to finish. Take out and you may end up with fs to finish.
There are too many places to mention, so to have the best fun, read and find something that sounds like it is to your liking.
Good luck!
AT2
[QUOTE=Francesco24]Hello,
I'd like to know if someone knows something about a waitress workin in Nana Hotel, her name is Jarasti Y. (i saw the name on her tag)... is she maybe "available"?^^
Thanks a lot[/QUOTE]
Any woman is available, it's all a matter of how much you are willing to pay.
[QUOTE=Downundaman]Hi,
Does anybody know if/where/how I find nice, affordable, shaved, young (20-25) girls in Bangkok when I stay only 2 nights?
D.[/QUOTE]
Soi Cowboy has plenty of bars. One bar with several shaved girls is Suzie Wong. There is an amazing lesbian shaved pussy licking show around 10PM I think but get there earlier for a seat right at the dance floor.
Use this to check if you like any of the girls. Not all of them are real Lesbians. In one of my previous posts I took 2 bi-sexual shaved girls to a short time Hotel at the end of the street.
They were keen to do me and each other.
I posted photos too. I am a bit lazy to do the search for you.
There are are plenty of other options. I have given just one approach I have used.
[QUOTE=Barek]With such fantastic reports on LOS and Bangkok, in particular, I am decided, and feel obliged, to start 2008 by flying there next 8 january,and I think it will be my most wise decision of the year.
Any mongers around for a beer or a nice pussy hunt, please PM.
Cheers and all the best for 2008!
Barek[/QUOTE]Berek,
I am up for the hunt. I fly into BKK on Jan 12 and will be there for a few days before heading up to Chiang Mai. I can't pm but my email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue].
Tom
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Any lovers of thermae here, never see it mentioned much I love the guys in the blue shirts, there's a father and son team, I remember one night I was one of the last dregs to leave as I was chatting up a couple of the japs cast offs who wouldn't make I contact all night but as the japs had fled now I was suddenly visible, then all of a sudden theres a argument on the empty bar floor between the old man dad and and old drunk FL and when she attempted to hit him that when the old man turned into bruce lee first a flying kick then a series of kicks and punches until she was out the door and up the stairs, I couldn't get my hat on. Fantastic place. I met an austrian guy there once, bit on the big side told me he was half owner does that sound true?
Has anybody heard of Arasia Luecha Park? It's going for cheaps, like less than USD50 per night for my travel period. Apparently it's listed as a 5 star serviced apartment / hotel kinda place, area listed under Pratunam/Siam but I was told it's actually barely near those 2 areas. I think it's a new building, less than a year old. Anybody got experience?
When I was in BKK last time (2005), I hit a few spots around the Sukhumvit area, both in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. The one bar that stood out in my memory was Rainbow 2 on the ground floor, which had two separate stages with about 20 each up there, and the overall quality on display seemed a good cut above other bars in the Plaza (the specific quality on display was too ;-) ).
I've heard about Soi Cowboy overtaking NP recently, so people here say. But it makes me wonder: does SC have any really big places like that, with just lots of girls? Which bars there have the most girls? And how many onstage at once?
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
I posted photos too. I am a bit lazy to do the search for you.
[/QUOTE]
Jesus Mick you have soooooooo many posts. At least give us some time frame to look at.
Thanks
El Greco
[QUOTE=Wendella]When I was in BKK last time (2005), I hit a few spots around the Sukhumvit area, both in Soi Cowboy and Nana Plaza. The one bar that stood out in my memory was Rainbow 2 on the ground floor, which had two separate stages with about 20 each up there, and the overall quality on display seemed a good cut above other bars in the Plaza (the specific quality on display was too ;-) ).
I've heard about Soi Cowboy overtaking NP recently, so people here say. But it makes me wonder: does SC have any really big places like that, with just lots of girls? Which bars there have the most girls? And how many onstage at once?[/QUOTE]
Wendella,
Soi Cowboy offers better value, not bigger bars. I think in that regard, it has been ahead of NEP for quite a while.
AT2
[QUOTE=El Greco]Jesus Mick you have soooooooo many posts. At least give us some time frame to look at.
Thanks
El Greco[/QUOTE]
Jesus some people really need spoon feeding.
You hit "Search this Thread", type in the word Suzi and this immediately jumps out at you:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=663897&highlight=Suzi#post663897[/url]
Same search on the Photo Gallery Threasd returned this one:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=679127&highlight=Suzi#post679127[/url]
Now try sesarching for Lesbian on the Photo thread or shaved and see if anything useful comes up.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Any woman is available, it's all a matter of how much you are willing to pay.[/QUOTE]Can you hook me on with Angelina Jolie?
Speaking of Soi Cowboy, it's well within walking distance of Soi 33 and Livingstones. I personally liked Baccara bar best, where I bar fined a "hostess". Believe the bar fine was 600 and LT was 4000. Amazingly enough, on my first visit there, I totally missed looking up at the glass ceiling with the girls dancing upstairs. It was only on my second visit that I discovered there was an upper level where the girls dance on a glass floor without panties and topless. The girls on the main level stage wear a small wrap around their waist, but are also without panties. My vision isn't as good as it once was, so I focused on the girls on mainstage trying to determine if I was really seeing snach. There are a lot of girls in this bar. My hostess date told me that about 80 girls work there and I believe it. Seemed to have more than Rainbow 4 at Nana Plaza.
I've checked this place out twice and think it's worth a look for most mongers. Beer is only 70 bhat and there are no bar fines. You can wander around and check out the talent. I took two girls from this venue on separate occasions. The first one had a most unique come on for me: I was sitting at the bar looking for new talent to walk through the door and this WL walks up to me carrying a newly opened Heiniken. Tells me someone bought it for her, but she doesn't drink and offers it to me. Well one thing leads to another and I ended up taking her ST. She asked 2000 which I agreed to. Wasn't that great an experience.
Second time I start chatting with a gal who looks to be way to young for me. Turns out she's 33...shows me her ID. Offered her 1000 and she provided the best service/attitude of my Bangkok experience. So, it's often hit or miss. But it's nice to know you can strike gold occasionally with a 1000 bhat offer.
BTW: Nana is the stop. If you take the proper exit from the skytrain, you practically come out at the entrance to this soi. Sorry, didn't note the exit number. However, the Nana stop seems to span Soi 7 to 11, depending on your exit.
[QUOTE=Xdentx] this WL walks up to me carrying a newly opened Heiniken. Tells me someone bought it for her, but she doesn't drink and offers it to me. Well one thing leads to another and I ended up taking her ST. She asked 2000 which I agreed to. Wasn't that great an experience.[/QUOTE]Potential red light there! Be careful if you dont see the top come off the bottle in front of you.
Sid
[QUOTE=AsiaTraveler2]Wendella,
Soi Cowboy offers better value, not bigger bars. I think in that regard, it has been ahead of NEP for quite a while.
AT2[/QUOTE]
Soi Cowboy is more wayward than NEP. Thats why I like it. Full nudity available in some bars.
For wild bars I lke Suzi Wong and Deja Vu.
For hot girls I like Doll's House and Long Gun.
Long Gun and Suzi Wong have good shows but different in style.
Unfortunately in Long Gun the girl with the best body has been a friend for a while, so she won't sleep with me. Frustrating!
hello everyone,
I was at Nana on Dec 26th, traffic was really bad in teh evening so decided to stick to NEP (I was staying nearby on Soi 4 itself). Couple of the bars wouldnt let me in (I am dark skinned- Indian), went to a couple of other bars, then finally to Cascade.
First thing I noticed was that there were a number of fake tits around (i hate fake ones), finally decided on a really pretty slim one for 2500 Lt and 600 barfine. It was only later, waiting with a hard-on between the sheets that i discovered it was a lady -boy! I wasnt as pissed as I thought i woudl be (the beers might have caused that), anyway told her (him) it wouldnt work, still ended up paying 1500.
Went back to fantasia, picked up a sweet little thing, made sure it wasnt a lady boy, again 2500 + 600 barfine for LT. but she didnt turn out any good either- just lay there saying she was tired, didnt even take teh shower. one shot and let here go.
Really bad experience this time. Previous times, in NEP, beergarden and Soi cowboy have been better. Also, ladt boys are really good looking so make sure do you research here (I should have), before you show up at NEP.
One question for you guys, I will be landing at BKK on 7th night at 2 AM, by the time, i am at the hotel its going to be 4 in the morning. Any ideas where I can pick someone up at the time ? either massage/ST or Lt will do.
Thanks in advance.
Daio
Better value and more wayward -- got it. It's cheaper and wilder. ;-)
OK so it sounds like there aren't giant bars like Rainbow over at SC, but it makes up for it in other ways.
Cowboy Brew, I posted a Q to you over in Phnom Penh but guess you're not looking there lately.
A common mistake of many people into Baccara is to exclusively try to look upstairs through the glass floor.
However, if you are paying attention, and sit at the bar downstairs, you'll notice the bar counter is a mirror, and by looking down, you get the most delightlful "up wrap" view of all the pantieless girls downstairs. Saves getting neck ache looking up all the time
Enjoy
[QUOTE=Xdentx]Speaking of Soi Cowboy, it's well within walking distance of Soi 33 and Livingstones. I personally liked Baccara bar best, where I bar fined a "hostess". Believe the bar fine was 600 and LT was 4000. Amazingly enough, on my first visit there, I totally missed looking up at the glass ceiling with the girls dancing upstairs. It was only on my second visit that I discovered there was an upper level where the girls dance on a glass floor without panties and topless. The girls on the main level stage wear a small wrap around their waist, but are also without panties. My vision isn't as good as it once was, so I focused on the girls on mainstage trying to determine if I was really seeing snach. There are a lot of girls in this bar. My hostess date told me that about 80 girls work there and I believe it. Seemed to have more than Rainbow 4 at Nana Plaza.[/QUOTE]
Bangkok january 1st 2008.
I woke up this morning with a gigantic hangover. Went to bed again and got up again at about 3 pm. So most of the day had already gone. Had to get some massage this first day of the year, and I remembered reading this post:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=659352&postcount=2864[/url]
So living at a small boutique hotel in Soi33, I decided to follow the positive recommendations and went on foot to Rainbow Fashion Massage at soi 39.
[url]http://www.rainbowbkk.com[/url]
The directions in the post are precise and in fact it is only a 5 min "lazy" walk from livingstones.
The place seems clean and nice. But it is a little problem that nobody speaks just a little bit english.... I don´t at all speak thai! :-) , but how difficult can it be? Chose a girl from the book..."May/Mew" (the book said Mew,and she wrote May on a businesscard) Very cute little thing...I think it is nr 3 from the left top row...
[url]http://www.rainbowbkk.com/lady.aspx[/url]
[url]http://www.rainbowbkk.com/temp/big_18120710575495312.jpg[/url]
...but again I don´t talk/read/write Thai.....
Anyway the mamasan/receptionist could only say "I don´t speak english..." so there was not wasted so much time in conversation... :-) I ordered a 2 hour oil massage (800 baht) and a coke (50 Baht) and was led up to the room by the mamasan. I got one of the rooms that share the aircon..but nobody else seemed to be on that floor anyway.
In came May. Pictures of here in the book are authentic. She was definitely an 8 maybe an 8 1/2 (1 to 10)
"I don't speak english". Well. O. K. No need to to make a conversation here either. Took a shower and I was "directed" to the bed.
I don't know about the quality of the massage. Was rather distracted by her sexy little body. But in fact the massage was pretty boring (read: BAD). After around 45 mins she must have stopped and then came 10 mins where she tried to explain me what extra services she offered. I had read that FS was 1500 baht and she said 2000 baht. In fact I think it was easiest for her to say "2" instead of "1. 5", I know I would have difficulty in telling her it should be 1500 baht. So I did'nt. And anyway. The massage was so bad. So she must be good at the "extra service"? ! Sure! Ha. Ha. Nothing special but ok, managed to get rid of the worst hangover. After 1 1/2 hours we were just sitting and looking at each other with nothing to say that the other could understand (remember that I bought 2 hours massage), so I said I wanted to go. Now. That she understood!
I payed at the reception and was offered via their lottery a 30 procent off next time I visit.
Will I be going back? Hmm. No. I don't think so (so if anybody wants a 30% off voucher, pm me.).
In all fairness, I must say that I was probably just unlucky to get a girl who did not speak (or did not want to speak? ) english. And I was unlucky that the mamasan didn't get me one who could speak a little english. And lastly I know I should have insisted on 120 mins + the 1500 baht FS. But frankly. It was the day after. So. And where I come from the price would be 18000 baht for 1 1/2 hour. So I didn't really care.
The place really seems cool enough, but not so "a-total-tourist-in-Thailand-for-the-first-time" friendly. Or maybe it was just because it was January 1st?
Happy New Year!
[QUOTE=Cal Travel]hello everyone,
It was only later, waiting with a hard-on between the sheets that i discovered it was a lady -boy! I wasnt as pissed as I thought i woudl be (the beers might have caused that), anyway told her (him) it wouldnt work, still ended up paying 1500.
Daio[/QUOTE]
Why??.......according to your story.....you were just waiting. If no discussion had taken place that the she was a he.......a swift kick out the door should have been good enough (and the return of the bar fine!!).
OK, time for a report, and a happy new year to everybody. I am staying at Livingstones for the first time and I can only say the best about it. It is a little different from most places, not the typical Thai hotel. It is clean and nice. Rather individual looking place for Thai standards. Not a luxury hotel, but it is all quite relaxed and in a way that is much better. Some details I like: They have an in-room safe which is big and can be used with a password, one understands how it works within 20 seconds, I feel much better with my valuables in there. The girls in the lounge are extraordinarily easy going, not aggressive, not pushy, just easy going and friendly. Or was it because of the new year party, probably not. Pool is nice too.
After a long flight I was actually pretty tired on my first day and went for a stroll. I ended up in soi 7 for no particular reason and had a look into various places, also had a beer in the biergarten. I most definitely did not look for a girl in there for an obvious reason, just a beer. Nevertheless I talked to a lady which to my surprise spoke very good english and we had a nice chat. Went to a few other places and it was quite entertaining. Nevertheless she was not made for sex. Later on I went back to Livingstones for the party and it was really nice. Not that many people as I expected, but everybody had a good time. At five o'clock after two nights without proper sleep I went to bed.
the flight with LTU was the first time that I got a direct flight. 11h can become very long - but in the whole ok.
the hotel "worabury! in suk soi4 is nice. Pool on the top is top, rooms are up to my expectations, the bed/mattress is really good.
Big disadvantage - they charge a joiner fee 300 THB each lady. The room rate I got via internet - one week before arrival 1000 THB was increasing to 1600 the first day.
The breakfast buffet is a big +
very widespread choice, even for the Thaiguest rice and some spice things. For the farangs toast, eggs, scrumbled-egg-rolls very tasty.
In the early afternoon I made my first stroll along the sukhumvit. Most things haven´t change since my last visit here. The beergarden in soi8 no longer exist, the building that is on that place has not been finished recently, so it will not be a news.
later that afternoon I met Tiam on the soi4 near to the soi which connects the soi4 with the soi6. She mentions, that she is working in a bar - so we go there and play some pool. She is very good in that, speaks a decent english, so I barfined her for ST. Barfine is 500THB. Price for ST is 1000THB (normally she gets more) either she was kidding me, or the prices took a dramatic increase in the last years. I wash away these thoughts and decided it is time for my first shot.
Showering separately. She clothes the curtains. Talking a lot, stroking a lot, French kissing is not her favorite. BBBj quite ok 6/10. Fucking 7/10.
Session last appr. 2 h. was ok, but I haven´t finished. She is more the type of GF. We spoke about here friend - also a German. He sends her money, but he also agree, that she continous with working, cause the money he send is not enough for her and her daughter. No lie in this case.
2-30 AM. I took a nap, woke up a bit late. But not too late. Going down to the suk. On Soi4, before reaching the Nana I met a nice lady. On the first view I was more interested in the lady that was sitting on the sidewalk. A cutie - but no English. So I spoke with here friend, she was nice, very talkative. She mentioned, that both will come with me. So I had a more detailed view to the cutie. I became suspicious of her age. So I ask for the ID. The older showed me her (27) and asured me that the younger is in legal age but lost the ID. So we went to the hotel. At the reception I told the clerk to control the age of the younger one. And instantly, the older one took her ID and disappears. Young ladies are good, but they have to be in legal age.
So I had to go back to the suk and choose again.
Ohm - OOhhm , my pronunciation is not to her convenience. Thai sounds very different. I have to become more used to the sound of the Thais. Because I have difficulties to understand the ladies, even at the reception - especially when they ask for the joiner fee.
Back to Ohm. Nice lady, 26, wears a nice smile. French Kissing 3/10, Body 8-9/10.
It took a while before she becomes wet enough. BBBj 5/10.
Fucking long and persistend 8/10.
In the night two sessions, in the morning one till I finally finish.
1000 THB + Tip.
That is the way I like it.
Massage, Sukhumvit Corner soi8
I was here before.
Oi, strong thumb, did a good job
1h Thaimassage, 1h Oilmassage
I forgot how much pain the Thai massage includes. I forgot or Oi was a master of pain. It is impressive, how a small person like Oi can bend and bow such a big body like mine. Anyway, I was happy, when she starts with the Oilmassage. 2h relaxing - for 600THB + Tip.
In the night I got the info that there is no beer available. I got the info having a beer. I was a bit suspicious, cause the waiter serve it in a plasticcup, and was placing the bottle on the floor. Some farangs were really upset. The government ruled, that there is no alk for 3 days. Some say it has to do with the upcoming election other say its because of her majesties birthday. The birthday was one week before and the election is in one week ???
Nok,22 Years, met on the soi4 near Nana.
A bit pumpoi. Mostly these are the horniest - but not Nok. She agreed for 1000THB LT. She was not interested in showering together. BBBJ 5/10. Fucking - she was less active. After app. 30-40 min she quits, mourning it would hurt. And she want to end the LT. I tell here that a LT last till morning and she only get 600 for ST. She protest a bit but finally leave.
Bangkok 29-31/12
??, mid 20, Sukhumvit 2-30 AM, body in a very good shape, nice little titts, showering together. She is a bit too “takati”, so no much stroking is allowed. BBBJ 7/10, Fucking 6/10.She is too dry so the condom (LONDON) was teared up. She is very fixed on my finishing, a bit too much in my eyes. I tell her that we have time. After a while intercourse again using KY. This time she became more wet. Didn´t finish. But she finished with a persistent BBBJ with CIM.
1000 THB
In the afternoon I had a look in the Beergarden Soi7. I spoke with one lady. asking for ST she said ok. What to pay? up to you. I said in former times I used to pay 500 THB for ST. She lol and disappears. The other ladies were not exactly what I was looking for.
I also had a look to Annies massage Soi2. Price is 1500 THB, but the ladies were not to my taste. And I do not like that I cannot speak with the ladies, u can only see them.
O, 24, sukhumvit 2 AM. She agreed for 2 h ST, 800 THB. If she serve me well 1000 THB.
Nice body, showering together, BBBJ 6/10, Fucking ok. After 20-30 min she repeatedly ask if I finish. I stop this with kissing. after a while she starts again, so I quit and kick her out. I have only 1000 THB but ask for the change. And she gives the 200 back. I guide her to the suk to choose again.
Gai, 33, sukhumvit 3 AM. Having a drink together. Her English is very limited, but much better then my Thai. Small lady, showering together. She has problems to reach my sholders. Body in a pretty good shape. One baby. Stroking each other, kissing, BBBJ 8/10 - I feel very good. Sex at least 30 min before she start to blame my big cock. I am exhausted anyway, so we sleep. In the morning I have to insist for the morning sex. But then ok. No finishing, so it was not really good, but I enjoy her pussy very much.
1000 THB + Tip.
??, 24, Sukhumvit 2 AM. She agree for ST at least 1 hour in my room, kissing, BBBJ.
In the hotel she disapears in the bathroom and lock the door!!. When she opens again I told her the right words. BBBJ only after I remind her to her promises. Fucking nice but she quit after 15 min. I tell her that I am angry, and she had to leave.
500 THB
I guide her to the suk and choose Käck, she is 22 and really beautiful. No talking possible because she cannot hear, nor speak. A bit to shy, but really beautiful body. Fucking long enough and I came in her pussy. Nice last shot in Bangkok.
1000 THB.
In BKK sukhumvit Soi4 towards Soi2, there are two Pharmacies side by side. In the second one I paid 300THB for 4 Camagra 100
and 500 THB for 4 (one box) Apcalis (Tadalafil 20 mg)
In Pattaya Nakluaroad, the first Pharmacie on the right side (coming from the turnaround) I paid 400 THB for Apcalis. Prices vary a lot. Some Pharmacy ask for 1000 THB one for 1500 THB!!!!.
Hello everyone, I guess my question got buried in my earlier post.
I am reaching BKK at 2 in the morning on the 7th, by the time I reach the hotel its going to be 4 in the morning. Since i dont have much time in BKK, is it possible to get any decent massage/ST or LT ? [I am leaving on 8th late at night]. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Daio
[QUOTE=Cal Travel]Hello everyone, I guess my question got buried in my earlier post.
I am reaching BKK at 2 in the morning on the 7th, by the time I reach the hotel its going to be 4 in the morning. Since i dont have much time in BKK, is it possible to get any decent massage/ST or LT ? [I am leaving on 8th late at night]. Any suggestion would be appreciated.
Thanks in advance.
Daio[/QUOTE]
try Sabai Sabai sukhumvit soi 11 left side
[QUOTE=Member #3892]In BKK sukhumvit Soi4 towards Soi2, there are two Pharmacies side by side. In the second one I paid 300THB for 4 Camagra 100
and 500 THB for 4 (one box) Apcalis (Tadalafil 20 mg)
In Pattaya Nakluaroad, the first Pharmacie on the right side (coming from the turnaround) I paid 400 THB for Apcalis. Prices vary a lot. Some Pharmacy ask for 1000 THB one for 1500 THB!!!!.[/QUOTE]There is a pharmacy outside the Ambassador Hotel Shopping centre along Sukhumvit Soi 11. You can get 4 Kamagra for 100 THB.
[QUOTE=Rikusa]try Sabai Sabai sukhumvit soi 11 left side[/QUOTE]You will find Sabai Sabai in the lane near 109 and 51 in the attached map.
[QUOTE=Aries3288]There is a pharmacy outside the Ambassador Hotel Shopping centre along Sukhumvit Soi 11. You can get 4 Kamagra for 100 THB.[/QUOTE]I just realised that this information provided by a friend might be wrong. Will check and confirm when I am in Bangkok on 8 Jan.
I guess the last part has gone amiss for some reason. Here it is again.
I went to Nataree at 9pm. Been there before so I knew it is a good massage place and there are a lot of good reports here as well. Only a few ladies in the fish bowl, but many more sideliners which are more expensive. Normal girls are 2000B, sideliners 2300 and 2600. Some really good looking girls there. I find it usually quite difficult to make up my mind with so many ladies around, in particular since you don't exactly know what you get. Chose a good looking and sweet girl from behind the window. Sort of average experience, I had much better girls from there.
Tonight was playing pool with a female friend. Wasn't going to be a bed partner, so was intending to sign off with her about 8.30PM.
She was a little drunk and so requested me to take her to see a lesbian show. This was a girl who some time ago was extremely shy and would not go to Soi Cowboy in any circumstance.
I explained that the show would be explicit and we would sit right at the front and that there would be lots of open shaved pussy. She still wanted to go. In the end I gave in and we went to Suzi Wong. First time in 3 months.
We had a bit of an argument about sitting in the very front at the gogo podium but in the end I insisted it was necessary for a superior view.
We chucked the ping pong balls around a few times to watch naked girls scrambling to get a ball or a few for commission.
Anyway one of the nude dancers was particularly sensual, had a pretty face and hot body apart from small but pert breasts. I gave her a 200 Baht tip while my friend was at the toilet. After the explicit lesbian show was done (one couple and one threesome of girls), my friend thought she had seen enough and we paid the bill. I sent her off in the taxi.
Straight back into Suzi Wong. The staff were asking where my girl was. So I explained that she had been ditched and I got high fives all round.
What a great idea. I gave my dancer favourite girl a wink and a nod and a come-on look so was clear I was keen and got a wide grin out of her.
When she was dancing sexy she looked a little older. But big smiles made her look very young.
She came over and I got straight to it: "Can you go with me tonight"? She nodded in agreement. So I needed to get a drink first. The detail could be discussed later. Once we had settled, I asked ST or LT? and she said she only does ST, due to studies. No problem. I said I'll give her 2000 for a longish short time.
I couldn't believe how pretty she looked with a big smile, even though her nose was very slightly too wide. She was only 20 years old but a great kisser.
We showered together and lathered each other up which was fun.
Anyway a very nice sex session enhanced greatly by her looks and feel.
I said I would have to repeat soon and she seemed happy about that.
Next time I'll try for a very very long ST, e.g. 7PM till 2AM
So I was glad I got talked into using my evening to take a friend to see the Suzi Wong show.
Later found her watch left behind. So would have to meet her the next night again. What rotten luck ;)
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Yes! PM me for details.[/QUOTE]Thanks a lot! You have a PM.
[QUOTE=Aries3288]There is a pharmacy outside the Ambassador Hotel Shopping centre along Sukhumvit Soi 11. You can get 4 Kamagra for 100 THB.[/QUOTE]Inside the Ambassador Plaza there is a pharmacy where they sell all kinds of stuff, also Apcalis.
The guy behind the desk asks 900Bht for a box of 4 tablets; but you can negotiate to lower the price to at least 500Bht.
Hello to everyone,
Since I am planning my first trip to Bangkok in February, I have read all the reports to have an idea and an itinerary. As far as i got from frequent travellers reports, best thing to do is soapy massages in the afternoon, and hit the bars at nights for 2 ST or 1 LT. I have also noted the recommended bars.
But there are some things I couldn't find in reports and I hope you could help...
1- Since it will be my first Mongering trip, I'm used to hit the clubs and discos to find girls. Is single men are allowed to enter clubs and discos in Bangkok? If yes what ere my chances to fins a girl there?
2- Is it allowed to sit with the girl and a little fondling at Go-Go Bars (Not more than you would normally do at a club in home town)
3- What is the difference between a Go-Go Bar and a Beer Bar?
4- What would you recommend me to do to find a girl with whom I can also spend the day with (i.e. sightseeing, shopping) without to much barfine?
5- I could only find Oily Massage Parlors. Can you recommend me some places for Soapy Massage?
6- Since I don't even know how to say hello in Thai, which areas I should stick to in order to avoid getting lost or robbed?
7- And last, I know it is not relevant with the subject of the forum but where can I find a trustworhty shop to buy a Sony Notebook or is there any Sony Stores in Bangkok which sells to Tourists. Cause with all the taxes in mu country it costs more than 3000€.
Thanks and I would appreciate any help I could get.
[QUOTE=Darth Luca]
2- Is it allowed to sit with the girl and a little fondling at Go-Go Bars (Not more than you would normally do at a club in home town)[/quote]
This depends a lot on the bar and the girl.
Suzie Wong (Soi Cowboy) for example is a wayward bar so serious fondling allowed with wayward girls. Star of Light and Toy Bar are blow job bars so extreme groping goes on there.
[quote]3- What is the difference between a Go-Go Bar and a Beer Bar?[/quote]
Thats easy. A go-go bar has go-go dancers. All bars sell beer.
[quote]
5- I could only find Oily Massage Parlors. Can you recommend me some places for Soapy Massage?
[/quote]
O.K. See the Bangkok Massage thread. Right now Nataree is very popular but girls aren't English experts. For best English speaking soapy I meed someone's help.
[quote]
6- Since I don't even know how to say hello in Thai, which areas I should stick to in order to avoid getting lost or robbed?
[/QUOTE]
Bangkok is not that dangerous in my opinion. I have never been robbed.
[QUOTE=Cal Travel]hello everyone,
I was at Nana on Dec 26th, traffic was really bad in teh evening so decided to stick to NEP (I was staying nearby on Soi 4 itself). Couple of the bars wouldnt let me in (I am dark skinned- Indian), went to a couple of other bars, then finally to Cascade.
First thing I noticed was that there were a number of fake tits around (i hate fake ones), finally decided on a really pretty slim one for 2500 Lt and 600 barfine. It was only later, waiting with a hard-on between the sheets that i discovered it was a lady -boy! I wasnt as pissed as I thought i woudl be (the beers might have caused that), anyway told her (him) it wouldnt work, still ended up paying 1500.
Went back to fantasia, picked up a sweet little thing, made sure it wasnt a lady boy, again 2500 + 600 barfine for LT. but she didnt turn out any good either- just lay there saying she was tired, didnt even take teh shower. one shot and let here go.
Really bad experience this time. Previous times, in NEP, beergarden and Soi cowboy have been better. Also, ladt boys are really good looking so make sure do you research here (I should have), before you show up at NEP.
One question for you guys, I will be landing at BKK on 7th night at 2 AM, by the time, i am at the hotel its going to be 4 in the morning. Any ideas where I can pick someone up at the time ? either massage/ST or Lt will do.
Thanks in advance.
Why you pay?
Just bit a hell out of it
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Greetings Romankh,
It appears that you inadvertently forgot to correctly place the quote tags in this report. Usually I can fix this sort of thing before it's displayed, but I don't have a clue as to how you intended this report to appear.
The quote tags are simple to use, all you have to do is look for them in the text. Anything that you want to appear in quotes must start with "[quote]" and end with "[/quote ]". Please note the "/" forward slash in the last tag. It's that simple.
In addition, you can preview your report before it's posted, so it's easy to check if you got it right before it's displayed in The Forum.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Romankh][QUOTE=Cal Travel]hello everyone,
I was at Nana on Dec 26th, traffic was really bad in teh evening so decided to stick to NEP (I was staying nearby on Soi 4 itself). Couple of the bars wouldnt let me in (I am dark skinned- Indian), went to a couple of other bars, then finally to Cascade.
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Should have researched the Forum to find out about good bars and those to be avoided. I have previously reported that Cascade is a ladyboys only bar.
I don't think there are any real girls there at all, last time I was around NEP.
Example link:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=668303&highlight=avoid#post668303[/url]
An even better report in Bangkok - Places to avoid:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=571516&highlight=Cascade#post571516[/url]
Soi Cowboy is much safer with very few ladyboys. Watch out in Deja Vu as they used to have perhaps 3 ladyboys. Best avoided for those who can't spot them.
Soi Nana 4 is just completely awash in ladyboys.
Darth,
My comments below:
[QUOTE=Darth Luca]
1- Since it will be my first Mongering trip, I'm used to hit the clubs and discos to find girls. Is single men are allowed to enter clubs and discos in Bangkok? If yes what ere my chances to fins a girl there?[/QUOTE]
Bangkok caters to single men. I can't think of any place in BKK that would not allow a single man in. Yes, you can find girls there. Since this is your first trip, I understand the questions. What you will find, is there are thousands upon thousands of woman in BKK. P4P and non-P4P, that are available and willing to go out with foreign men. Money is all it takes in most cases, and with some non-P4P, it will depend on if you have the skills. The problem will not be finding woman, but having too many to choose from.
[QUOTE]
4- What would you recommend me to do to find a girl with whom I can also spend the day with (i.e. sightseeing, shopping) without to much barfine?[/QUOTE]
Depends. What are you expecting out of this? Do you just want a pretty face, someone who can actually hold a decent conversation in english, or someone who can actually be a real guide? The barfine is a fixed price, generally around 600 baht. The price for the girl is what varies. You can find all nighters, but they range from 500 baht to 5,000 baht, depending on their looks and demand. Most likely, you can get a guide/date within that price range.
If you want a real guide, someone who can provide some insight, try googling bangkok guide. If you just want company, just be sure that the girl you take out that night (bar, go-go, freelancer, etc.) is willing to spend the day with you. Some will not. Most bar girls know very little about the City, so you will need to be the real guide. There are other options that often drop in your lap. A waitress you meet, someone you meet in a shopping center (Robinsons for example). A Soapy or Massage Parlor girl may have the next day off (holiday), and I have had them ask me if I want to spend the day with them.
You will find, if the girl likes you, she will spend the day with you and the only money you will spend is on the meals and anything you give her will be based on your discretion.
[QUOTE]
5- I could only find Oily Massage Parlors. Can you recommend me some places for Soapy Massage?[/QUOTE]
The best Soapy Massage Parlors and easiest to find are in the Ratchadapisek area. Utopia, Nataree, Poseidon are all good options. Use the MRT to get to any of these. Some may require a short 5 to 10 minute ride from the MRT station. The MRT will save you a lot of time and aggravation, since the traffic can be very bad at times. In many cases, the Taxi drivers will not even take you to Ratchadapisek from Sukhumvit. Many of them look like hotels from the outside and have food and other entertainment on the premises. The best time for largest selection is early. Between 4:00pm and 6:00pm. Some stars, however are pre-booked, or arrive after 6:00pm.
Here's a short Soapy List:
MRT Huai Kwang Station: Utopia, Nataree, Caesars, Emmanuelle, Mirage, Hi-Class, Colonze 2
MRT Suthisan Station: Poseidon, Copa Cabana / Barbara, Venus
MRT Praram 9: Amsterdam, La Defense, New Cleopatra, Catherine, Long Beach, Victoria's Secret, Colonze 1
MRT Pethaburi: Mona Lisa, New York, Christina, Saiphon, Pornpetch, Petch Siam, Bangkok Cozy, Riviera, Hawaii, Angelina, Meree, Evita, Nancy, Tarawadee, Biwa
There are some in the Sukhumvit area, such as Annies and Darling. I'm not a real fan of either of them.
[QUOTE]
6- Since I don't even know how to say hello in Thai, which areas I should stick to in order to avoid getting lost or robbed?[/QUOTE]
Use good judgement. Bangkok is relatively safe, but it's still a 3rd World Country and money is at a premium. There's a lot of foot traffic in BKK, so if you see an area with very little people walking around, chances are it's not a good place to be.
Have fun,
AT2
[QUOTE=Darth Luca]Hello to everyone,
But there are some things I couldn't find in reports and I hope you could help...
[/QUOTE]
You obviously didn't read the two best starter reference threads:
1. FAQ - in case you can't 'find it' : [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement.php?f=253[/url]
2. Report of Distinction - phuquar's 5 day journey [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=393008&postcount=2[/url]
When you're done with the above, come back with more questions ;)
Anybody have ever met at Beer Garden, in Sukhumvit Soi 7 or maybe around there, a young girl, 25-26 years old, with a little "swastika" tattoo on her left arm? She is quite pretty and really funny, and I had a good time with her.
Wow, an excerpt from the FAQ that Traveler1234 posted a link to:
7. How much should I pay? How much is up to you and your bargaining skills, ask other hobbyists and check above and this entire board to get ballpark figures No bar fine for freelancers, around 1000 + bt long time, 500 + short time. Bargain and ask fellow hobbyists on the spot.
;-)
The date of the post is 2002. That can't be right. 1000 baht LT in 2002?
[QUOTE=Wendella]Wow, an excerpt from the FAQ that Traveler1234 posted a link to:
7. How much should I pay? How much is up to you and your bargaining skills, ask other hobbyists and check above and this entire board to get ballpark figures No bar fine for freelancers, around 1000 + bt long time, 500 + short time. Bargain and ask fellow hobbyists on the spot.
;-)
The date of the post is 2002. That can't be right. 1000 baht LT in 2002?[/QUOTE]
Good catch....tells me you're up to date ;)
I thought to myself - for lazy newbie, why not suggest he start from the 'beginning', right? Happy new year.
[QUOTE=Francesco24]Hello,
I'd like to know if someone knows something about a waitress workin in Nana Hotel, her name is Jarasti Y. (i saw the name on her tag)... is she maybe "available"?^^
Thanks a lot[/QUOTE]Sorry for bringing my post up... but i'm leaving for Bkk next week and i'd really like some infos (if any are available of course)
Thanks again!
P.S. Run Mann you have a PM
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Good catch....tells me you're up to date ;)
I thought to myself - for lazy newbie, why not suggest he start from the 'beginning', right? Happy new year.[/QUOTE]
Well, up to date as of 2002 at least. Just wondering what kinda women were going for those prices back in 2002, and in Bangkok no less. ;-)
The links in that FAQ are mostly out of date -- half of them take you to Pattaya Pages dot com, which is, well, a less than excellent site. Some others are simply dead links.
It makes me wonder what a good set of links would be these days. Are we allowed to link to other good sites to check out here, or is that against 2008 forum rules?
[quote=wendella]well, up to date as of 2002 at least. just wondering what kinda women were going for those prices back in 2002, and in bangkok no less. ;-)
the links in that faq are mostly out of date -- half of them take you to pattaya pages dot com, which is, well, a less than excellent site. some others are simply dead links.
it makes me wonder what a good set of links would be these days. are we allowed to link to other good sites to check out here, or is that against 2008 forum rules?[/quote]
well the rules state that we are not allowed to link to competing forums and some of these type of links will be editted out autometically. also links to commercial porn sites and ****file sites are obviously not permitted. however if we simply want to give info, not for commercial gain, and not promoting the competing forums or anything highly illegal, then seems to be o.k.
i referred a board member to some pattaya forums website to get look for detailed information on a topic. did i break a rule by putting up those website addresses for him to go to? i read the general rules section (as listed below) and i didn't see any reference that we should not list another forum(s) for further information. i have no personnel dealing with those website, so i don't think i fell under the heading of "self-promotion". if i have missed something else, could you please point it out to me so i don't make the same mistake twice?
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[quote=mick licker]well the rules state that we are not allowed to link to competing forums and some of these type of links will be editted out autometically. also links to commercial porn sites and ****file sites are obviously not permitted. however if we simply want to give info, not for commercial gain, and not promoting the competing forums or anything highly illegal, then seems to be o.k.[/quote]
Has anyone found some P4P ladies to be showing signs of possible drug use? For example, eyes often pop up towards the top of the head, so that only the white of the eye is seen. Or eating lots of sugary junk food like heroin addicts do? Or tweaking?
[QUOTE=Chacha]Guys
Going to be going to BKK with a client...he's interested in experimenting with Real Shemales...now i've seen the ladyboy places on my visits but never a shemale place...any tips?[/QUOTE]
This is taken from the site's rules page.
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[QUOTE=Romankh][QUOTE=Cal Travel]hello everyone,
I was at Nana on Dec 26th, traffic was really bad in teh evening so decided to stick to NEP (I was staying nearby on Soi 4 itself). Couple of the bars wouldnt let me in (I am dark skinned- Indian), went to a couple of other bars, then finally to Cascade.
First thing I noticed was that there were a number of fake tits around (i hate fake ones), finally decided on a really pretty slim one for 2500 Lt and 600 barfine. It was only later, waiting with a hard-on between the sheets that i discovered it was a lady -boy! I wasnt as pissed as I thought i woudl be (the beers might have caused that), anyway told her (him) it wouldnt work, still ended up paying 1500.
[/blue][/QUOTE]How could anyone who is allowed to travel from one country to another and get themselves to NEP mistake cascade for anything other than a ladyboy bar it's pure animal instinct with that many cocks in one room his mind must of being screaming ' cocks at 12 o'clock dive dive, truth is the ladyboy left when they both came to the realization that her/his cock was not working or missing there was no point carrying on with the exercise. Just a hunch.
[QUOTE=Zandar]Anybody have ever met at Beer Garden, in Sukhumvit Soi 7 or maybe around there, a young girl, 25-26 years old, with a little "swastika" tattoo on her left arm? She is quite pretty and really funny, and I had a good time with her.[/QUOTE]That swastika tattoo is a religious symbol to do with buddism I once pulled a thai women up once and informed her discreetly of the mistake her friend was making by wearing a swastika emblazoned t-shirt while sitting next to a german couple in a restaurant, I felt a right twat when I eventually realized the thai meaning, I wonder if many thai's know there was a ww2? Even though there is the river kwai bridge. Maybe one for OTH, how aware are the thai's of world history?
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]That swastika tattoo is a religious symbol to do with buddism I once pulled a thai women up once and informed her discreetly of the mistake her friend was making by wearing a swastika emblazoned t-shirt while sitting next to a german couple in a restaurant, I felt a right twat when I eventually realized the thai meaning, I wonder if many thai's know there was a ww2? Even though there is the river kwai bridge. Maybe one for OTH, how aware are the thai's of world history?[/QUOTE]
The swastika is a religious Hindu symbol. Hitler used it for his Nazi Party as he could not come up with a better logo (Does that say something about his perceived superiority?)
As with any other nation, the older people know about WW2. However, the younger generations would be only aware as an historical event. But what puzzles me is that you were unaware of the origin of the symbol.
[QUOTE=PinkPearl]Has anyone found some P4P ladies to be showing signs of possible drug use? For example, eyes often pop up towards the top of the head, so that only the white of the eye is seen. Or eating lots of sugary junk food like heroin addicts do? Or tweaking?[/QUOTE]Yes, there is an increase in drug use from yesteryears. More particularly Yaba Ice. Increased use of ice is not confined to Thailand and the Asian nations but also in North America. This stuff is super addictive and dangerous. I've friends who were well established, respected, and recognized in our community who fell victim to ice and lost everything. Spend a couple of hours and attend a formal presentation on this drug, it will be well worth the time.
You are both right...
[quote=Wikipedia]
It has long been widely used in major world religions such as Hinduism, Buddhism, and Jainism.
[/quote]
... and don't go thinking I am clever, I had to look it up.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika[/url]
[QUOTE=Duniawala]The swastika is a religious Hindu symbol. Hitler used it for his Nazi Party as he could not come up with a better logo (Does that say something about his perceived superiority?)[/QUOTE]
Not totally correct. Yes, it is true that the swastika (perpendicular and usually opposite to how it was used by the Nazis) is an ancient Hindu sylmbol. But, it is also a symbol in ancient Norse runes, and Germanic mythology. There is more than likely a common origin, given the strong connection between Indo-aryan races and Europe.
The Finns used the swastika in WW1 as a military symbol, as did several German paramilitary units during the German Civil War (1919-23). Since the Nazi Party was formed in 1919 (Hitler was member #7) during this time, it's more than likely they adopted it from what was current fashion. BTW, Hitler was originally sent by the German army to spy on the German Worker's Party (not yet the Nazis) before he decided to join, revamp it and make something of it.
There is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that Hitler may have been influenced by the fact that there was a swastika over the gate of his parish priest's house in Linz, Austria.
The fact is, that it is a very ancient symbol probably going back to pre-history, which is mainly why it appealed to the Nazis with their passion for the occult and trying to find a link to the dawn of time.
Re: Thai's knowledge of WW2
It's been my experience that Thais are fairly ignorant about world history (their own history included) and certainly know little of WW2. My GF happens to know who Hitler was, which astounds me. But, she watches the History Channel all the time. Thais have virtually no knowledge of the Holocaust, which is why when a photo of Hitler was featured in an advertisement on the back of several tu-tuks, a few years ago, the Thais were quite puzzled when there were loud protests from the Israeli ambassador and the Jewish World Congress.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...
The Finns used the swastika in WW1 as a military symbol, as did several German paramilitary units during the German Civil War (1919-23).
...
[/QUOTE]German Civil War (1919 - 23) ? What is that? Shouldn't I know about that?
I realize that the history lessons in Germany's schools are obviously lousy :) .
Giotto
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]the Nazis with their passion for the occult and trying to find a link to the dawn of time[/QUOTE]
The Nazis were trying to connect themselves to the proto-Indo-European "pure race" Aryans- the "noble" (as in Buddhist "noble truths" aryasatyani) Indo-Iranians that conquered most of the known world under the Persian emperors Cyrus and Darius, and referred to their own language as "Aryan." The "noble" castes in Hinduism are arya. The swastika is considered the oldest The Nazis always, I think, used the left-facing swastika, while the original "Aryan" one generally faced right. It is difficult for me, at least, to figure which elements of Thai "Buddhist" architecture and symbolism are actually Buddhist and which were co-opted from Brahmanism; in the case of the swastika it probably doesn't matter.
The Thais', by which I mean "educated" (please forgive my overuse of quotation marks in this post- one might think I lived on Soi Disant) Thais, lack of knowledge of their own country's role in WWII is rather tragic, I think; they might well be proud of the way their country so adroitly played both sides. They resisted the Japanese at first- but got some nice territories in every neighboring country from the Japanese in return for coming onboard. All the while they had managed to establish a government in exile by forming Seri Thai at the Thai embassy in DC, just in case. . . If for nothing else we can always give the Thais credit for knowing which way the wind blows. Their fascist leaders during the war, who dearly loved the Japanese, even managed to get themselves re-instated well after the war, with the help of the Americans, of course; just like the Class A Japanese war criminals who continued running Japan after the war, Phibun & Co. were staunch anti-communist.
By the way, the lyrics to the Thai National Anthem were commissioned by the same staunchly anti-royalist fascists in 1939. I guess the lese-majeste fetishists didn't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Hollywood Club - Ratchada?
Does anyone know this place? just came across this Youtube video, which makes me very curious indeed:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_FMlUxZTQ[/url]
My lord.
Are these girls available? If so, around what are prices? (hoping for the best, expecting the worst) Are there other clubs like this one?
Thx
[QUOTE=Giotto]German Civil War (1919 - 23) ? What is that? Shouldn't I know about that?
I realize that the history lessons in Germany's schools are obviously lousy :) .
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Among other things...
The Naval revolt in Wilhelmshaven in December 1918. Rosa Luxemburg's Spartacist uprising in Berlin in 1919. The Communist takeover of Bavaria which was smashed by Freikorp Ritter von Epp and other freikorp units. The Baltic War in Latvia. The First and Second Silesian Uprising. The unsuccessful Erhardt/Ludendorff Putsch of 1920. The unsuccesful Nazi Putsch of 1923.
You mean they didn't teach you this stuff in school in Germany?
Sorry, to clutter up this thread in an effort to give Giotto a history lesson about his own country. But, one can forgive him, as he's really just a plaster painter from Florence who long ago eschewed his German-ness.
To make this relevant to the Thai thread, here's a pic of one of the wierd aspects of Thai culture - a High School Spirit Day with a Nazi theme. Strange but true. It's like a scene from the movie, "The Producers". 'Springtime for Hitler', anyone?
[QUOTE=Wendella]Hollywood Club - Ratchada?
Does anyone know this place? just came across this Youtube video, which makes me very curious indeed:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_FMlUxZTQ[/url]
My lord.
Are these girls available? If so, around what are prices? (hoping for the best, expecting the worst) Are there other clubs like this one?
Thx[/QUOTE]These are known as the coyote dancers and they are not really part of the P2P scene. People pay a lot for drinking with them or going out with them HOPING to get laid. Your chances improved significantly if you have things the girls are attracted to eg looks, sense of humour, lots of money etc. and it will more like a boyfriend-girlfriend arrangement.
But, you can certainly get girls of similar quality in the model section of massage parlours in Bangkok. Some of these girls are sideliners and work part-time at the massage parlours and could be models, students or even coyote dancers, depending on your luck and the season. Prices starting from 3500 baht for 45-min session to 5500 baht for the kind of stunner that appear initially in that Youtube video.
In fact, if I am not mistaken she is a rather popular model and featured on the Asian4u site called Irene Fah (not her real name obviously). She was also a model of Thai Penthouse at one time, which is virtually a catalogue of soon-to-be working girls.
[url]http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=irene+fah&btnG=Google+Search[/url]
I heard from certain quarters that she is indeed available at the right price but only through special arrangement. You can ask the mamasan at the model lounge of Poseidon but she will probably bring out her catalogue of equally hot models instead.
OTH,
Your list of events is certainly correct, what is irritating is the fact that you call it the "German Civil War", a term which is not used in german history. There was a lot of turmoil in the years you refer to but in no way did it resemble anything like a civil war.
So maybe Giotto's history lessons were not that bad after all.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The Naval revolt in Wilhelmshaven in December 1918. Rosa Luxemburg's Spartacist uprising in Berlin in 1919. The Communist takeover of Bavaria which was smashed by Freikorp Ritter von Epp and other freikorp units. The Baltic War in Latvia. The First and Second Silesian Uprising. The unsuccessful Erhardt/Ludendorff Putsch of 1920. The unsuccesful Nazi Putsch of 1923.[/QUOTE]
I learned about some of these in a class on Germany from WWI to about 1930 -- focused more on culture but also with a political history component-- but I've never heard it referred to as "Civil War" with a capital C and W. I'm still not convinced this is something there would be a concensus on among historians, that there is such a thing as The German Civil War, 1919-1923. Upheaval, uncertainly, chaos, isolated pusch's, yes -- Civil War, never heard that. And since this is the Nightlife thread, I guess I should mention that nightlife in Berlin in the 20s was supposedly the cat's meow.
[QUOTE=Wendella]Hollywood Club - Ratchada?
Thx[/QUOTE]
Wonder if it makes sense for jackson to start a 'clubbing' thread...what do you think?
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Among other things...
The Naval revolt in Wilhelmshaven in December 1918. Rosa Luxemburg's Spartacist uprising in Berlin in 1919. The Communist takeover of Bavaria which was smashed by Freikorp Ritter von Epp and other freikorp units. The Baltic War in Latvia. The First and Second Silesian Uprising. The unsuccessful Erhardt/Ludendorff Putsch of 1920. The unsuccesful Nazi Putsch of 1923.
You mean they didn't teach you this stuff in school in Germany?
Sorry, to clutter up this thread in an effort to give Giotto a history lesson about his own country.
...
[/QUOTE]Old Thai Hand,
Yes, we know all this events. But I don't know anything about that this is called the "German Civil War".
Thank you for giving me a history lesson about the history of my own country. This is what I call "arrogance".
Giotto
That's my spare bedroom...
[QUOTE=Wendella]Hollywood Club - Ratchada?
Does anyone know this place? just came across this Youtube video, which makes me very curious indeed:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fX_FMlUxZTQ[/url]
My lord.
Are these girls available? If so, around what are prices? (hoping for the best, expecting the worst) Are there other clubs like this one?
Thx[/QUOTE]
Man it sucks to be back in the states. Oh well. While in Bangkok I visited Eden once. Although it is expensive I have vowed to go once each time I visit Thailand. Went about 1pm and when I was ready several mediocre girls lined up. Suprisingly though the cutest one was on the left side of the line. Naturally I picked her and then just let her pick anyone else she wanted as I didn't see anyone else I was interested in. She picked someone from the right side of the line with not a great face but a good body. Then just as we were heading up, I saw another girl with a smoking body that wasn't in the line up. I didn't try to make any switches though. The girl that I liked from the left side of the line was named Annie. She was cute and had a really nice firm body, long straight silky hair, and a nice ass which I plugged up for the first go around. The second go around was a BBBJ to completion in Annie's mouth. Man I felt so good after that session. I felt 10 times better and more relaxed than the crappy oil massage I got at Nataree. Man I cannot wait to go back to Thailand, I just hope I don't wait so long to go next time.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Old Thai Hand,
Yes, we know all this events. But I don't know anything about that this is called the "German Civil War".
Thank you for giving me a history lesson about the history of my own country. This is what I call "arrogance".
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I wasn't being arrogant. I honestly thought you didn't know because you said so, and because I have been told by German friends in the past, that history in German schools was very selectively taught for many years. Therefore, I thought perhaps this period was down-played or omitted along with a lot of Nazi history.
Anyway, I think both you and Wendella are correct. It seems to be called the German Civil War in some English language history books, only which is where I learned about it and therefore I used that term. I suppose it was referred to that way because technically it was two opposing sides fighting in the same country, much as there was also a Russian Civil War, roughly at the same time with similar opponents.
Sorry, if you're annoyed.
Maybe we should get back to discussing Thailand.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]...
Sorry, if you're annoyed.
Maybe we should get back to discussing Thailand.[/QUOTE]Old Thai Hand,
No problem, sorry for the "arrogance".
Returning to the Thailand discussion - good idea. I am leaving Thailand for Germany today :( ... may be you should meet up with Piper here at Livingstone's to exchange the latest Bangkok news :) .
Giotto
I was in Bangkok Dec 21-23(the bars closed on Saturday night for the election) and decided to visit the infamous Thermae below the Rumchitt Plaza Hotel. I had gone there in 2001 following Stickmans guide to nightlife in Bangkok and it was quite entertaining. To my surprise the place is still kicking(at least the Friday I was there) with quite a few lookers(go after 11pm). So if your in the area and are out trolling on the weekend night, give it a try. Oh by the way, the Marble House on the third floor of the same building offers great REGULAR massages. It still listed in the most recent Lonely Planet Guide. Finally, went to the Aviva Message off Soi 8 and got a good oil massage and FS for 1900bt from a real stunner named Nok.
[QUOTE=Member #3892]In BKK sukhumvit Soi4 towards Soi2, there are two Pharmacies side by side. In the second one I paid 300THB for 4 Camagra 100
and 500 THB for 4 (one box) Apcalis (Tadalafil 20 mg)
In Pattaya Nakluaroad, the first Pharmacie on the right side (coming from the turnaround) I paid 400 THB for Apcalis. Prices vary a lot. Some Pharmacy ask for 1000 THB one for 1500 THB!!!!.[/QUOTE]
Hi. I've never heard much of Camagra or Apcalis (must be different versions of Viagra and Cialis). I pay 1800B for 4 Viagra pills on Suk Soi 15 (Southeast Pharmacy). If Camagra or Apcalis work the same I'd rather get those since they appear to be less expensive, according to your post. How do they work?
[QUOTE=Blunderer]That's my spare bedroom...[/QUOTE]
Well I admire your taste in pajamas.
[QUOTE=Tulip777]Hi. I've never heard much of Camagra or Apcalis (must be different versions of Viagra and Cialis). I pay 1800B for 4 Viagra pills on Suk Soi 15 (Southeast Pharmacy). If Camagra or Apcalis work the same I'd rather get those since they appear to be less expensive, according to your post. How do they work?[/QUOTE]
Well if they have exactly the same working ingredient as the originals then they can be expected to perform the same as the originals but just cheaper. However we do NOT know how good are the manufacturing quality controls.
I have tried the Apcalis and had no problem. So no evdience of it not working.
I have also tried a more expensive fake Cialis in the past. The quality control seemed lax as sometimes had little taste as normal and sometimes was quite bitter. Turned out the bitter pills were super powered and the slighest nibble off the pill would get results.
[QUOTE=Kaukaukane]Yes, there is an increase in drug use from yesteryears. More particularly Yaba Ice. Increased use of ice is not confined to Thailand and the Asian nations but also in North America. This stuff is super addictive and dangerous. I've friends who were well established, respected, and recognized in our community who fell victim to ice and lost everything. Spend a couple of hours and attend a formal presentation on this drug, it will be well worth the time.[/QUOTE]The lady who exhibited some of the signs I mentioned seemed to be normal in her behaviour and provided excellent service, besides being quite hot and only asking 1100 ST. Looks, attitude and service on a scale of zero to ten, 10 being the best score, I'd give her at least 8 in everything. Although she is 30 I think she looks closer to 20.
Aside from her, the only Street Walkers I've encountered who seemed to be under the influence of drugs had alcohol on their breath.
Apcalis is the generic for Cialis (Tadalifil) I buy it regularly and I have had no problems. Costs a fraction of teh price of Cialis.
Similarly, Kamagra is the generic version of Viagra (sildenafil citrate). I have not tried this one.
Cialis is known as the 2 day viagra, because its effects last for about 2 days.
Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Tulip777]Hi. I've never heard much of Camagra or Apcalis (must be different versions of Viagra and Cialis). I pay 1800B for 4 Viagra pills on Suk Soi 15 (Southeast Pharmacy). If Camagra or Apcalis work the same I'd rather get those since they appear to be less expensive, according to your post. How do they work?[/QUOTE]
Hi Tulip
I had Viagra and use now Camagra. I can´t find any difference - except the price.
Apcalis work fine with me. I took one pill a day. I cannot compare it to original Cialis.
[QUOTE=Member #3892]Hi Tulip,
...Apcalis work fine with me. I took one pill a day. I cannot compare it to original Cialis.[/QUOTE]Apcalis/Cialis is a so-called weekend-drug: it stays in your system for about two days, sometimes even longer. To avoid side-effects I think it is better to skip at least one day before taking another pill.
That's the point - depending on whether or not you got the "real" stuff, there is NO difference between the Indian version and the hi-priced stuff. Chemically they are identical and so are the effects. Buy whatever works and costs less.
I used "real" in the sense that there are some Chinese copies that don't have the active ingredient. They are "fakes" not "copies"
K and A work as well as V and C (for about 1/5 the price)
I live in Pattaya and when I walked into a Pharmacy I always ask for “Indian Viagra” and the pharmacist all know what I am talking about. The cost for the past few years was 400 Baht for four pills. But it has recently dropped to 300 Baht. This is very important, ask for “GREEN” the color was blue until about a year ago. I think they changed to green because there was so much counterfeit stuff around. The blue gives me a head ache and makes me feel like crap in the morning. If they don’t have “GREEN” just go to the pharmacy down the street and they will.
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]I live in Pattaya and when I walked into a Pharmacy I always ask for “Indian Viagra” and the pharmacist all know what I am talking about. The cost for the past few years was 400 Baht for four pills. But it has recently dropped to 300 Baht. This is very important, ask for “GREEN” the color was blue until about a year ago. I think they changed to green because there was so much counterfeit stuff around. The blue gives me a head ache and makes me feel like crap in the morning. If they don’t have “GREEN” just go to the pharmacy down the street and they will.[/QUOTE]
FYI, I've bought Indian-made generic Levitra via mail order for a cost of around $3 per 20 mg pill. The legal U.S. branded stuff sells for $15-20 per 20 mg pill, or $12-15 for a 10 mg pill. The Indian stuff is identical from a chemical and functional standpoint. I use Levitra (or the Indian copy) rather than Viagra because it has no side effects for me, and is less likely to cause complications for Diabetics, of which I'm one.
Does anyone know of an allnight pharmacy in Sukhumvit (or elsewhere) that sells Viagra
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Wonder if it makes sense for jackson to start a 'clubbing' thread...what do you think?[/QUOTE]
Maybe, though I think the need for an Erectile Dysfunction Medications thread seems more pressing. ;-)
[QUOTE=Wendella]Maybe, though I think the need for an Erectile Dysfunction Medications thread seems more pressing. ;-)[/QUOTE]
LOL, I think the correct Thread name should be "We all want to be superman and have marathon sex" (just to look at it in a more positive light) ;)
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]LOL, I think the correct Thread name should be "We all want to be superman and have marathon sex" (just to look at it in a more positive light) ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh no, no slight intended -- I'm taking notes! ;-)
Hello to everyone!
First of all let me thank you for the information you provide on this forum.
I will in Bangkok untill 14th of January.
Would like to hookup for a beer with anyone that is interested, I am in Bangkok for the first time.
My Name is Marc, 39 y.o. German, my english is quite good so far.
Regards,
Marc
[QUOTE=Bill Miami]300 for “GREEN” the color was blue until about a year ago. [/QUOTE]Is the green pill safe for lasting action?
[QUOTE=Duesentrieb]Hello to everyone!
First of all let me thank you for the information you provide on this forum.
I will in Bangkok untill 14th of January.
Would like to hookup for a beer with anyone that is interested, I am in Bangkok for the first time.
My Name is Marc, 39 y.o. German, my english is quite good so far.
Regards,
Marc[/QUOTE]Hi Marc,
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Gruss, paris
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Hi marc,
I am in bkk right now and ready for a beer together. If you like give me a call on my local mobile:
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Gruss,
Paris
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[QUOTE=Member #3892]Hi Tulip
I had Viagra and use now Camagra. I can´t find any difference - except the price.
Apcalis work fine with me. I took one pill a day. I cannot compare it to original Cialis.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, I'll check it out.
No girl pics - just a few touristy scenes, including Biergarten Soi 7, and Soi 3 (where I go when I'm homesick. ;)) Soi 3 is a "Middle East" part of BKK. There was a major FBI-supervised drug-bust in Soi 3 about two weeks ago, to break up an African drug ring. It used to be a busy soi, but it's pretty quiet now.
Some of the local business owners complained - not about the fairly open drug deals, but about the fact that business has gone downhill since the bust.
[QUOTE=Piper1]No girl pics - just a few touristy scenes, [/QUOTE]
WTF - trying to change your image from a sexual pervert to a normal tourist :D
We miss the action shots...upload them asap for us to share
ROFLMAO
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]WTF - trying to change your image from a sexual pervert to a normal tourist :D
We miss the action shots...upload them asap for us to share
ROFLMAO[/QUOTE]Yep, I've thrown in the towel. ;) No pics this trip - I was under close supervision. Maybe some more Dubai pics coming up soon.
[QUOTE=Piper1]Yep, I've thrown in the towel. ;) [/QUOTE]
Excuse me?
You 'threw in the towel' or the 'towel rack was thrown away'....LOL
..seems to be difficult to stay in contact..not allowed to write in german here, not allowed to write telephone numbers...and:
"Paris 2006 has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him.."
Censorship?
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Greetings Duesentrieb,
Censorship is an act by a government to suppress it's citizen's right to speak out and criticize their government. However, this website is a private enterprise, and as such I am not compelled to print whatever you choose to post any more than the New York Times can be compelled to print your letter to their editor.
The restriction on posting email address in the Forum to to protect the integrity of the Forum's Subscription Membership option. I added a note in your post I edited advising you to use the Forum's Private Messaging to communicate with other Forum Members.
The restriction on posting telephone numbers is clearly stated in the Forum FAQ, and the reason is to prevent abuse.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
No problem. This is for sure a great place to exchange information on is. So I did recommend this forum very often to international friends. For other languages there are other places like freiermagazin.de in german.
[QUOTE=Duesentrieb]..seems to be difficult to stay in contact..not allowed to write in german here, not allowed to write telephone numbers...and:
"Paris 2006 has chosen not to receive private messages or may not be allowed to receive private messages. Therefore you may not send your message to him.."
Censorship?
[blue]================================================
Greetings Duesentrieb,
Censorship is an act by a government to suppress it's citizen's right to speak out and criticize their government. However, this website is a private enterprise, and as such I am not compelled to print whatever you choose to post any more than the New York Times can be compelled to print your letter to their editor.
The restriction on posting email address in the Forum to to protect the integrity of the Forum's Subscription Membership option. I added a note in your post I edited advising you to use the Forum's Private Messaging to communicate with other Forum Members.
The restriction on posting telephone numbers is clearly stated in the Forum FAQ, and the reason is to prevent abuse.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue][/QUOTE]
I have been around in Bangkok several times, Nana is where I have found the hottest girls(the car park and the street alongside Nana Plaza).
I'm in Bangkok now, leaving 20 January. Many girls over the hill in Beer Garden.Soi 3 is totally dead after drug bust by the police.
I will be coming to Bangkok on January 18th for a weekend of fun and want to thank everyone on here for the wealth of knowledge I have picked up. It will definitely make my time a happy one.
Just a quick question for you guys. How much do you tip?
I have lived for too long in a land that has no tipping at all. I need to know everything. Girls from the Gogos and MPs and even the taxis.
I know someone will eventually say that the information is already here but I have read for 4 days now and have not been able to find solid info. I don't want to be a cheap charlie but I definitely don't want to screw up the good thing you got there by paying too much either.
I heard the Siam Cafe on Petchaburi Road was demolished some time in the last few months. Did the scene that was there just vanish, or did it move elsewhere? Actually there were 2 scenes, one inside the coffee shop off the lobby of the hotel, and another in the parking lot outside.
[QUOTE=William Hauger]I have been around in Bangkok several times, Nana is where I have found the hottest girls(the car park and the street alongside Nana Plaza).
I'm in Bangkok now, leaving 20 January. Many girls over the hill in Beer Garden.Soi 3 is totally dead after drug bust by the police.[/QUOTE]''Well apparently soi 3 is dead '' Can some one enlighten me on whatever used to happened in soi 3 that is not happening anymore. If I'm not mistaken this is the soi I refer to as 'ali alley' and not to be racist, but was frequented by a right bunch of definite 'double check them' at customs types, have they sorted the massive water leak that runs into the main sukhumvit rd, wot a shit hole, cheaper laundry though on a plus point.
Noble gents,
Has anyone of you tried this style of anti-stress massage in Bangkok? Just watching that short video clip I am convinced it is of great benefit and it will make me forget quickly the frenzy of western life.
[url]http://youporn.com/watch/122177[/url]
[QUOTE=Meepmeep99]''Well apparently soi 3 is dead '' Can some one enlighten me on whatever used to happened in soi 3 that is not happening anymore. If I'm not mistaken this is the soi I refer to as 'ali alley' and not to be racist, but was frequented by a right bunch of definite 'double check them' at customs types, have they sorted the massive water leak that runs into the main sukhumvit rd, wot a shit hole, cheaper laundry though on a plus point.[/QUOTE]
There used to be a place similar to beer garden, but forget it, soi 3 is history.
Nana is the place to be.
William
[QUOTE=Lone Punter]Noble gents,
Just watching that short video clip I am convinced it is of great benefit and it will make me forget quickly the frenzy of western life.
[url]http://youporn.com/watch/122177[/url][/QUOTE]
tried to link but to no avail
have also tried the basic weblink but no success: does anyone know the technicality problem (no firewall or censored access where I am staying now, so nothing to do with proxy)
[QUOTE=William Hauger]There used to be a place similar to beer garden, but forget it, soi 3 is history.
Nana is the place to be.
William[/QUOTE]
Well Nana was maybe the place to be 10-15 years ago, but now its a bit boring for me and many other long term Bangkok mongers.
I will say that the Angel Witch shows were quite good last time I checked but other bars a bit dreary and too much pressure like being asked which girl I would bar fine all the time. But then it all depends on whether you find stunning girls or not. I prefer where the girls get it all off and where don't have to cope with all the ladyboys.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Well Nana was maybe the place to be 10-15 years ago, but now its a bit boring for me and many other long term Bangkok mongers.
I will say that the Angel Witch shows were quite good last time I checked but other bars a bit dreary and too much pressure like being asked which girl I would bar fine all the time. But then it all depends on whether you find stunning girls or not. I prefer where the girls get it all off and where don't have to cope with all the ladyboys.[/QUOTE]
I have to agree, NEP is pretty bad lately, pushy and tons of ladyboys. In one night had three attempts by folks to lift my wallet as well. Only went one night this time so far.
Also on a side note... taxi's out side cowboy on Asoke side are becoming a little bit of a hassel and confrontational this trip. Mamasan's in two places in Cowboy were a pit more pushy and forward then normal. Not sure if it is a sign of things to come or what.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]Also on a side note... taxi's out side cowboy on Asoke side are becoming a little bit of a hassel and confrontational this trip. Mamasan's in two places in Cowboy were a pit more pushy and forward then normal. Not sure if it is a sign of things to come or what.[/QUOTE]Nah, it's just High Tourist Season (read: high short-con potential). It will slow down in February, once the heat gets unbearable.
[QUOTE=Bionicman]tried to link but to no avail
have also tried the basic weblink but no success: does anyone know the technicality problem (no firewall or censored access where I am staying now, so nothing to do with proxy)[/QUOTE]
Link works fine.
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]In one night had three attempts by folks to lift my wallet as well.[/QUOTE]
It certainly seems like it has gone downhill since I was last there - apart from a bit of mild bill padding, I've never had such problems.
One thing that did leap out as exceptional about your report to me was the fact that you carry a wallet. I don't carry one is SE Asia at all unless it is cold enough to wear a jacket, then I carry it on the inside pocket.
I find that neatly folded 1000's in my left front trousers pocket and all other denominations in my right front pocket does the trick nicely. If I reach into my left pocket, I am just pulling out a single note, and if I pull out everything on the right, then people see I have < 1000 on me anyway.
Phone goes in with the 1000s so it doesn't get scratched by coins.
As a side issue, this helped me with a bribe once too. My (farang) GF at the time dropped some litter and the police saw her and wanted to fine us a couple of thousand baht. I said I don't have enough and they got a bit snarly, so I pulled out *all* the money from my right front pocket and put it on the little table they were sitting at and started counting all the little coins loudly and slowly. It was in a very public area (a Skytrain station) and the expression on both guy's faces went from one of aggression to one of blind panic within about half a second.... they pushed my money back at me and told me to go away :)
I spanked her for the littering, which I thought was a far more fitting punishment.
[QUOTE=William Hauger]There used to be a place similar to beer garden, but forget it, soi 3 is history.
Nana is the place to be.
William[/QUOTE]Wasn't that known as 'the grace' ?
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]I have to agree, NEP is pretty bad lately, pushy and tons of ladyboys. In one night had three attempts by folks to lift my wallet as well. Only went one night this time so far.
Also on a side note... taxi's out side cowboy on Asoke side are becoming a little bit of a hassel and confrontational this trip. Mamasan's in two places in Cowboy were a pit more pushy and forward then normal. Not sure if it is a sign of things to come or what.[/QUOTE]
I have never had an attempt to lift my wallet in all my years of goingg to thailand. I keep it in left front pocket which is normally tight enough that I have problems getting it out myself.
I haven't really noticed the Soi Cowboy Taxis too much compared to any other place in Bangkok. The airport is just as bad. Perhaps I just do a good job of putting on a totally disinterested look and I am not polite enough to even register that taxi drivers are talking to me.
[QUOTE=Stoops]I will be coming to Bangkok on January 18th for a weekend of fun and want to thank everyone on here for the wealth of knowledge I have picked up. It will definitely make my time a happy one.
Just a quick question for you guys. How much do you tip?
I have lived for too long in a land that has no tipping at all. I need to know everything. Girls from the Gogos and MPs and even the taxis.
I know someone will eventually say that the information is already here but I have read for 4 days now and have not been able to find solid info. I don't want to be a cheap charlie but I definitely don't want to screw up the good thing you got there by paying too much either.[/QUOTE]I do not tip girls anything, I simply agree on the price beforehand. In Bangkok I generally pay 1000 ST and 1500 LT. In Pattaya 500 and 1000. For Massage I am no expert but I usually just look at the prices indicated on Massage thread. For instance on my last trip I went to Nataree, I brought 800 for the 2hr oil massage and 1500 for the girl. I paid everything at the end though. I am not sure if you pay some up places up front. Anyways my experience at Nataree sucked but I am sure if I had picked a different girl it could have been better. I was not that thrilled with the choices though or the facilities. I liked Barrons when it was open, it was much better.
As far as tips in general are concerned, when taking taxis I usually insist on them using the meter and then just round up to the tenth place. As I understand it this is fairly customary. If someone helps me get a girl I want in a gogo I will tip them 20 baht. When I am finished drinking the overpriced drinks at a bar or gogo I tip 20 baht. When I pay bill for food, check because many times they will have a service charge, I just leave the few baht change I got coming back to me. I understand that this is fairly typical also. This from talking to other farangs and bar girls. Bellhops I tip 20 baht.
[QUOTE=Blunderer]One thing that did leap out as exceptional about your report to me was the fact that you carry a wallet. I don't carry one is SE Asia at all unless it is cold enough to wear a jacket, then I carry it on the inside pocket.[/QUOTE]
;);) I'm not that much of a virgin. My card case is in my back pocket.
As I work in SE Asia I have suits with security pockets all over the place and the back pocket is zippered and buttoned and I still only put my card case in the back pocket. :):)
[QUOTE=Tansak KTV]As I work in SE Asia I have suits with security pockets all over the place and the back pocket is zippered and buttoned and I still only put my card case in the back pocket.[/QUOTE]Wow, you must be paranoid LOL
I also work in SE Asia and carry a wallet in my back pocket, never had a problem.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]Wow, you must be paranoid LOL
I also work in SE Asia and carry a wallet in my back pocket, never had a problem.[/QUOTE]
Had it stolen long time ago in manila, since then I am prepared. :) Or paranoid call it what you like, but I never carry anything that can't be replaced with a one minute phone call anymore.
China town is generally the only place in BKK I ever had any type of issue before in the market places with the tight spaces and pushing and shoving everywhere. I was not pleased to have it happen at NEP.
Went over to Soi Cowboy last night with 2 friends. Some really hot girls in Suzy Wong's, but the prices are outrageous. I asked this cutie with braces what the going rate was. 600 barfine, 3,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. Ridiculous. I could bang 2 showgirls from Walking Street in Pattaya for that.
Anyway, as we were walking in the girls outside had signs that clearly said "75 baht draft beer." So we ordered 2 rounds. When the bill came it was 840 baht! Asked the waitress, and then I asked to speak to the mamasan. After much argument, we wound up paying, but not after telling her that she shouldn't have signs outside advertising prices for beer that doesn't exist. I told her "If you make us pay 840 baht for these, we will never come here again and tomorrow I will write about this on the internet". She didn't seem to care.
[QUOTE=Durianfan]
Anyway, as we were walking in the girls outside had signs that clearly said "75 baht draft beer." So we ordered 2 rounds. When the bill came it was 840 baht! Asked the waitress, and then I asked to speak to the mamasan. After much argument, we wound up paying, but not after telling her that she shouldn't have signs outside advertising prices for beer that doesn't exist. I told her "If you make us pay 840 baht for these, we will never come here again and tomorrow I will write about this on the internet". She didn't seem to care.[/QUOTE]
I am a little bit confused, why did you not check the price of the drinks when the first round was brought over to you, all the bars I have ever been to give you a slip of paper every time you order a drink.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]I have never had an attempt to lift my wallet in all my years of going to thailand. I keep it in left front pocket which is normally tight enough that I have problems getting it out myself.
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I was once the victim of pickpockets on Sukhumvit Road, two ladyboys bumped into me as they walked past and one managed to pull a 1000 baht note from my front pocket ----they are very skilled, I did not know until 15 minutes later.
[QUOTE=Durianfan]Went over to Soi Cowboy last night with 2 friends. Some really hot girls in Suzy Wong's, but the prices are outrageous. I asked this cutie with braces what the going rate was. 600 barfine, 3,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. Ridiculous. I could bang 2 showgirls from Walking Street in Pattaya for that.
Anyway, as we were walking in the girls outside had signs that clearly said "75 baht draft beer." So we ordered 2 rounds. When the bill came it was 840 baht! Asked the waitress, and then I asked to speak to the mamasan. After much argument, we wound up paying, but not after telling her that she shouldn't have signs outside advertising prices for beer that doesn't exist. I told her "If you make us pay 840 baht for these, we will never come here again and tomorrow I will write about this on the internet". She didn't seem to care.[/QUOTE]Beer at Suzy Wong in Soi Cowboy should be about 130 baht therefore 2 rounds will cost you about 520 baht. Did you buy any lady drinks?
Suzy Wong has gone downhill recently. My favorite bar along Soi Cowboy is now Shark and Rawhide. My personal opinion is that the shows at Rawhide is now better then Long Gun not to mention more comfortable seats.
[QUOTE=Durianfan]Went over to Soi Cowboy last night with 2 friends. Some really hot girls in Suzy Wong's, but the prices are outrageous. I asked this cutie with braces what the going rate was. 600 barfine, 3,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. [/QUOTE]Not sure why they quoted you that much. I paid 600 Barfine and 1000 ST last week (the girl's initial offer, but I gave her a healthy tip for the great service).
I’ve visited some MPs in Bangkok in the last years – some very good, some ok experiences (very good was allways Mona Lisa which is closed right now, Poseidon was also good).
Since I never had to work in bangkok, I was there on holiday, I allways went in the afternoon to the MPs, girls were fresher and everybody was in a relaxed mood.
And I remember on excellent freebie about 8 years ago. I was traveling with backpack in that time, staying in khao san road and met a nice thaigirl (she was selling clothes in the street and was having dinner at the same soup kitchen as me).
We started talking, joking… and suddenly she said: “I don’t want to go home tonight” Guess what ? We went to a hotelroom, got undressed and went right to the shower and then to bed. Kissing, she was so very wild, I didn’t expect this: so wet and riding on me that my penis was still hurting two days afterwards… ;-) She really enjoyed it and so did I except that I was afraid, my Penis would brake off! Next morning, we had breakfast at a Soupstall and the she kissed me goobye. Never asked for money. Nice memory.
I’ll be in bangkok next week, for 1 Day and, besides visiting an MP I want to have a girl, who will masturbate in front of me (maybe sex afterwards, maybe not, I’ll see)
QUESTION:
Do you know a place where chances are high, where I can find such a masturbating girl ? Tulips maybe, I’ve thought of Star of Light in Patpong – blow job bar girl would probably do this in the backroom too ?
I am actually to shy asking the mamsan in an MP … so maybe anyone of you knows a place?
[QUOTE=Durianfan]Went over to Soi Cowboy last night with 2 friends. Some really hot girls in Suzy Wong's, but the prices are outrageous. I asked this cutie with braces what the going rate was. 600 barfine, 3,000 for ST and 4,000 for LT. Ridiculous. I could bang 2 showgirls from Walking Street in Pattaya for that.
Anyway, as we were walking in the girls outside had signs that clearly said "75 baht draft beer." So we ordered 2 rounds. When the bill came it was 840 baht! Asked the waitress, and then I asked to speak to the mamasan. After much argument, we wound up paying, but not after telling her that she shouldn't have signs outside advertising prices for beer that doesn't exist. I told her "If you make us pay 840 baht for these, we will never come here again and tomorrow I will write about this on the internet". She didn't seem to care.[/QUOTE]
Should have able to negotiate < 3000 short time. My last girl from Suzi Wong didn't even discuss the price as she could see I wasn't stingy.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Should have able to negotiate < 3000 short time. My last girl from Suzi Wong didn't even discuss the price as she could see I wasn't stingy.[/QUOTE]I don't understand what prices you guys pay. I got a beauty from Rainbow last night for 2000 LT plus Barfine and she quoted that price after she wanted to go with me and I said I was not sure if I could afford her.
How is the nightlife in BKK on Sundays and Mondays (looking for info on reguar dance clubs and bars, not gogo's)? Thanks
[QUOTE=Sean EZ]How is the nightlife in BKK on Sundays and Mondays (looking for info on reguar dance clubs and bars, not gogo's)? Thanks[/QUOTE]
CM2 was pretty dead last Sunday. But it was also pretty close to the passing of the king's sister, don't know if that kept the crowd down or not.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I don't understand what prices you guys pay. I got a beauty from Rainbow last night for 2000 LT plus Barfine [/QUOTE]
A buddy claims he gave a lovely Rainbow girl 1000 for an overnight recently, and I have no reason to think he would lie about it. I think they hadn't discussed prices before departing. In such cases I usually suspect the girl is in it for the long con. Anyway, it is probably easier to get a lower price if you wait until the wee-ish hours, because the more rational girls will likely realize they won't have much chance at coming back for another customer that night. Then again, I can't pretend to know how the minds of these girls work- every time I've tried to get inside the head of one I've found there isn't room for two.
[QUOTE=Sanook D]A buddy claims he gave a lovely Rainbow girl 1000 for an overnight recently, and I have no reason to think he would lie about it. I think they hadn't discussed prices before departing. In such cases I usually suspect the girl is in it for the long con. Anyway, it is probably easier to get a lower price if you wait until the wee-ish hours, because the more rational girls will likely realize they won't have much chance at coming back for another customer that night. Then again, I can't pretend to know how the minds of these girls work- every time I've tried to get inside the head of one I've found there isn't room for two.[/QUOTE]Well, 1000 is the other extreme. I wouldn't want to go that far, They also need to live.
In my case it was 10:30 and I was really surprised.
Yes, I know there's a Cialis thread, but. Not that many responders so.
I just wanted to know if one needs to completely abstain from alcohol while on Cialis or is it that big of a deal (no pun intended)?
I'm thinking about taking it while in BKK (first time taking Cialis) and want to be safe.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]I wouldn't want to go that far, They also need to live. [/QUOTE]
My buddy is kind of poor, so it may have been an understanding girl. Still, have you any idea what Thais, let alone young Thai women, make in this city for doing regular jobs? Security guards in my building make around 7K a month. Thai attorneys make starting salaries of 20~25K. Don't feel bad about giving a girl 1000 baht for a bonk. If you do feel bad about that, you might also start doubling the meter for your taxi driver- they work a lot harder than a Rainbow tart, I expect.
[QUOTE=Sanook D]My buddy is kind of poor, so it may have been an understanding girl. Still, have you any idea what Thais, let alone young Thai women, make in this city for doing regular jobs? Security guards in my building make around 7K a month. Thai attorneys make starting salaries of 20~25K. Don't feel bad about giving a girl 1000 baht for a bonk. If you do feel bad about that, you might also start doubling the meter for your taxi driver- they work a lot harder than a Rainbow tart, I expect.[/QUOTE]
You are right, taxi meters haven't been increased for at least 12 years, maybe much longer. They were the same when petrol was 10 Baht a liter, then at rates of 60 Baht to the dollar petrol was around 20 baht a liter. Now it is 30 Baht.
I remember that the Thai postage rates were doubled overnight many years ago because they had forgotten to incerease the price for maybe a decade. I wonder when that is going to happen again.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]You are right, taxi meters haven't been increased for at least 12 years, maybe much longer. They were the same when petrol was 10 Baht a liter, then at rates of 60 Baht to the dollar petrol was around 20 baht a liter. Now it is 30 Baht. [/QUOTE]
If the baht weren't so absurdly high petrol would be even more dear! Of course, almost all of the taxis are burning gas now, which is both because Thailand has good supplies of natural gas, and also because it burns a lot cleaner (when are they going to get new buses? I saw one the other day, but so far only one). I believe there is a rate hike scheduled, and even so taxis will probably remain a bargain. I always tip unless the driver turns out to be a real wanker, which is unusual if not unheard of- but I don't double the meter!
I'm glad you didn't take offense at my reply. I was kind of hoping to hear what others on the board think of the current pricing- not only in regard what the market will bear here, but particularly in terms of what, say, a 3000 baht LT fee in Bangkok equals in terms of spending power in Europe or the States. If I compare, for example, what a security guard makes here with what good Nana or Cowboy earner is making, I wonder if it wouldn't compare with what the average escort makes in comparison with a security guard in Miami or London. If a Sukhumvit go-go tart clears 6000 baht for two nights work she has pretty much made her rent + utilities if she lives in Ratchada or On Nut- and double her rent if she is living with a roommate, which most do. Let's say a Florida call girl clears US$1000 for two nights (or days) work- she probably hasn't made rent for month yet, unless she has a roommate.
Just throwing this out there for discussion. While I don't think 3000 for LT is reasonable for a Nana tart, especially on top of drinks and bar fine, I'm not a tourist on holiday- and to quote the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse, a fair price is 'Not what you say, but what the market will bear.' Problem is, judging by the number of girls still waiting (presumably) for an overnight john at closing time, the market isn't exactly bearing it most nights. Of course, it may be that they would prefer to try to work half as much for the same money. . .but I wonder if that is working out for them. At any rate, a bar girl pulling down, say, 20K a month is already making roughly twice what a secretary would and the same as a starting attorney in Bangkok (at a Thai firm); although it must be said, her career is liable to be far shorter, and only the lucky few are able to pull the long con and snag a farang or Japanese sugar daddy.
As I said, curious to read the opinions of others about this, and I also think it might be edifying for the tourists (and I have nothing against them- kind of wish I still were one) to know what 3K (or 1 or 2K) means in terms of spending power in this town.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]You are right, taxi meters haven't been increased for at least 12 years, maybe much longer. They were the same when petrol was 10 Baht a liter, then at rates of 60 Baht to the dollar petrol was around 20 baht a liter. Now it is 30 Baht.
I remember that the Thai postage rates were doubled overnight many years ago because they had forgotten to incerease the price for maybe a decade. I wonder when that is going to happen again.[/QUOTE]Its actualy 34 baht -:)
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]You are right, taxi meters haven't been increased for at least 12 years, maybe much longer. They were the same when petrol was 10 Baht a liter, then at rates of 60 Baht to the dollar petrol was around 20 baht a liter. Now it is 30 Baht.
I remember that the Thai postage rates were doubled overnight many years ago because they had forgotten to incerease the price for maybe a decade. I wonder when that is going to happen again.[/QUOTE]
The base rate will stay at 35. But, the meters are now being reconfigured and the rate/distance is being shortened so that the meter will turn over more frequently.
Are all working and free-lancers in Bangkok are Thai girls?
We are contemplating a two-day side trip to the Philippines during this trip. I was in Thailand 10 years ago and remember it being mostly Thais. Not much variety. Has that changed over the years?
[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Are all working and free-lancers in Bangkok are Thai girls?
We are contemplating a two-day side trip to the Philippines during this trip. I was in Thailand 10 years ago and remember it being mostly Thais. Not much variety. Has that changed over the years?[/QUOTE]Sean ez,
It is still the same as 10 yr ago mostly Thai girl you will see some russian and indian but most girl cannot complete with the local for cost and look , if you want one stop shopping go to Hong kong ,singapore and Macau very good top quality actions but expensive.
Fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Sean EZ]Are all working and free-lancers in Bangkok are Thai girls?
We are contemplating a two-day side trip to the Philippines during this trip. I was in Thailand 10 years ago and remember it being mostly Thais. Not much variety. Has that changed over the years?[/QUOTE]You need to be a little more specific as to What are you looking for exactly. There are other Nationalities available: Uzbeks, Russians, Lao, Burmese.
[QUOTE=Higgins T]I’ve visited some MPs in Bangkok in the last years – some very good, some ok experiences (very good was allways Mona Lisa which is closed right now, Poseidon was also good).
Since I never had to work in bangkok, I was there on holiday, I allways went in the afternoon to the MPs, girls were fresher and everybody was in a relaxed mood.
And I remember on excellent freebie about 8 years ago. I was traveling with backpack in that time, staying in khao san road and met a nice thaigirl (she was selling clothes in the street and was having dinner at the same soup kitchen as me).
We started talking, joking… and suddenly she said: “I don’t want to go home tonight” Guess what ? We went to a hotelroom, got undressed and went right to the shower and then to bed. Kissing, she was so very wild, I didn’t expect this: so wet and riding on me that my penis was still hurting two days afterwards… ;-) She really enjoyed it and so did I except that I was afraid, my Penis would brake off! Next morning, we had breakfast at a Soupstall and the she kissed me goobye. Never asked for money. Nice memory.
I’ll be in bangkok next week, for 1 Day and, besides visiting an MP I want to have a girl, who will masturbate in front of me (maybe sex afterwards, maybe not, I’ll see)
QUESTION:
Do you know a place where chances are high, where I can find such a masturbating girl ? Tulips maybe, I’ve thought of Star of Light in Patpong – blow job bar girl would probably do this in the backroom too ?
I am actually to shy asking the mamsan in an MP … so maybe anyone of you knows a place?[/QUOTE]Go to Tulip's ask for Nong and you'll get your wish fulfilled and much more.
[QUOTE=Sanook D]A buddy claims he gave a lovely Rainbow girl 1000 for an overnight recently, and I have no reason to think he would lie about it. I think they hadn't discussed prices before departing. [/QUOTE]
That is certainly not the norm, your "buddy" may well be telling the truth but if other mongers on here think they can negotiate Rainbow girls down to 1000 baht LT they will probably come severely unstuck.
The Rainbow bars are always busy especially at this time of the year, most girls will quote 4000 baht LT which you may be able to get down to 2500 but the really pretty ones will hold out for 4000.
[QUOTE=Vishnu]Go to Tulip's ask for Nong and you'll get your wish fulfilled and much more.[/QUOTE]@ vishnu: thanks a lot !
This is just an amazing forum! A man can take a brake from daily business and follow his phantasies and get good advice for the next trip to bangkok.
Amy sugestions for finding a girl who will maturbate in the patpong area, esp. star of light?
[QUOTE=Higgins T]@ vishnu: thanks a lot !
This is just an amazing forum! A man can take a brake from daily business and follow his phantasies and get good advice for the next trip to bangkok.
Amy sugestions for finding a girl who will maturbate in the patpong area, esp. star of light?[/QUOTE]Where is Tulip's?
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]Sean ez,It is still the same as 10 yr ago mostly Thai girl you will see some russian and indian but most girl cannot complete with the local for cost and look , if you want one stop shopping go to Hong kong ,singapore and Macau very good top quality actions but expensive.Fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]
I am not a fan of the typical Thai girl look. I mean I saw hot ones in the fishbowl behind the glass wall and in gogo bars after some searching but that limits your choices to P4P. Typical girl you will see in a mall in Bangkok does not hold candle to the kind of girls you typically see every day in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, or anywhere in EE. That's also my preference, forgive me if I offended anyone; I understand personal tastes are different. Speaking of which. Can anyone recommend Philippines for chasing regular girls and P4P as well. I dated Filipinas when I used to live in California, and some of them were very cute.
[QUOTE=Sanook D]If the baht weren't so absurdly high petrol would be even more dear! Of course, almost all of the taxis are burning gas now, which is both because Thailand has good supplies of natural gas, and also because it burns a lot cleaner (when are they going to get new buses? I saw one the other day, but so far only one). I believe there is a rate hike scheduled, and even so taxis will probably remain a bargain. I always tip unless the driver turns out to be a real wanker, which is unusual if not unheard of- but I don't double the meter!
I'm glad you didn't take offense at my reply. I was kind of hoping to hear what others on the board think of the current pricing- not only in regard what the market will bear here, but particularly in terms of what, say, a 3000 baht LT fee in Bangkok equals in terms of spending power in Europe or the States. If I compare, for example, what a security guard makes here with what good Nana or Cowboy earner is making, I wonder if it wouldn't compare with what the average escort makes in comparison with a security guard in Miami or London. If a Sukhumvit go-go tart clears 6000 baht for two nights work she has pretty much made her rent + utilities if she lives in Ratchada or On Nut- and double her rent if she is living with a roommate, which most do. Let's say a Florida call girl clears US$1000 for two nights (or days) work- she probably hasn't made rent for month yet, unless she has a roommate.
Just throwing this out there for discussion. While I don't think 3000 for LT is reasonable for a Nana tart, especially on top of drinks and bar fine, I'm not a tourist on holiday- and to quote the Lone Biker of the Apocalypse, a fair price is 'Not what you say, but what the market will bear.' Problem is, judging by the number of girls still waiting (presumably) for an overnight john at closing time, the market isn't exactly bearing it most nights. Of course, it may be that they would prefer to try to work half as much for the same money. . .but I wonder if that is working out for them. At any rate, a bar girl pulling down, say, 20K a month is already making roughly twice what a secretary would and the same as a starting attorney in Bangkok (at a Thai firm); although it must be said, her career is liable to be far shorter, and only the lucky few are able to pull the long con and snag a farang or Japanese sugar daddy.
As I said, curious to read the opinions of others about this, and I also think it might be edifying for the tourists (and I have nothing against them- kind of wish I still were one) to know what 3K (or 1 or 2K) means in terms of spending power in this town.[/QUOTE]
I've never paid more than 1000 baht ever for a gal in all my years in Thailand, but this is getting harder and harder to do, and the attitudes are becoming quite disgusting if you ask me. I live here, I know how much 1000 baht is worth, how much middle class workers earn, and i have seen the changes in the last few years. I was recently in Pattaya, hooking up with a beer bar gal whom I'd met 3 months ago...she really is a stunner, 3 months ago had only been in the biz about a month..she spent one great evening with me, gave her the Pattaya norm of 1000 baht, she was thrilled. This time round, she decided to go to Walking Street with friends after our nookie session, it was pretty obvious she wanted to pull another guy, so I obliged, gave her 500 baht for ST, and she threw an absolute fit, crying hysterically for 30 minutes, claiming nobody had ever given her 500 baht, and then of course telling me that long time was now 2000 baht...yeah, whatever the market will bear, and a lot of guys are very happy to pay it..look what has happened to the Thermae...about 85% of the gals now going with only Japanese because of the larger payout...
[QUOTE=Sean EZ]I am not a fan of the typical Thai girl look. I mean I saw hot ones in the fishbowl behind the glass wall and in gogo bars after some searching but that limits your choices to P4P. Typical girl you will see in a mall in Bangkok does not hold candle to the kind of girls you typically see every day in Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, or anywhere in EE. That's also my preference, forgive me if I offended anyone; I understand personal tastes are different. Speaking of which. Can anyone recommend Philippines for chasing regular girls and P4P as well. I dated Filipinas when I used to live in California, and some of them were very cute.[/QUOTE]
Sean,
So much of it is taste and preferences. I know South America has it's fans, but I personally don't get it. Maybe living in Hawaii and seeing girls of mixed races everyday, makes South America just more of the same. Nice, but been there, done that, not going back. Asia is where my heart lies, and Thailand, Japan and Korea are where it's at for me.
The Phillipines are just fine. Very similar to Thailand, so I'm not sure if it's going to do it for you. Personally, I find the Thai girls hotter than the girls in the PI. But, I think you can find hot girls anywhere, and all of the other things (accomodations, food, down time fun, etc.) also plays into lot's of guys preferences.
AT2
AT2,
This time we are going to see the islands, do activities, and travel around the country, maybe (and hopefully) my impressions will be different. I hear the nightlife in Bkk has changed quite a bit from what it used to be 8-9 years ago. Thanks.