[QUOTE=Cucumber;1892277]All of your assessments are correct, including concerning overpayment. The whole point of many in-hotel massages is to get the customer into a situation where they are relaxed and gradually aroused without any pressure and then tempted into wildly overpaying for women that are not that attractive and / or not that good in bed. The key moment in the massage is usually while you are lying on your stomach.
In Classic go to the second floor (counting with an un-numbered ground floor), don't let the mamasans push you around, take your time, select a girl you like, perhaps one who speaks some English (which is perhaps 10% of them), make sure she is ok going with you and will be warm (ask "good service? Pay the mamasan and go to the room. Don't go for a threesome at this stage, even if it is dirt cheap. In the room you both have a shower.[/QUOTE]Reading this was like having my thoughts being read back to me. Very good advise!