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[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Ice Raj
Of course many Thais don't like Farang - no surprise there. But, to say that Indians are loved in the south means nothing because Southern Thailand isn't even really Thai. If it was, they wouldn't be blowing up Thais and trying to separate from the rest of the country.
Just because Indians are accepted in places like Pattaya doesn't alter the facts, simply because they are accepted by girls who will do whatever to make money; even shag an Indian.
As I said before, I have taught plenty of Indian students who are 2nd 3rd or even 4th generation Thai born - as Thai as any other Thai, Thai-Chinese or whatever. Yet, they don't integrate into the society, are not accepted and pretty much stick to their own. If even Thai-born Indians are subject to racism, how do you think the main Thai population feels about Indians who come here on holiday or even work here?
Have your fun, if you can. But, don't labour under any illusions about your acceptance simply because you dress well, smell good or whatever. You are Indian, have dark skin and that's all it takes for Thais not to like you. Conversely, if Thais like Farang at all it's generally because we're white and perceived to all be rich - a pretty common belief and not new information at all.
The whole "Indian" topic has been talked to death on here many. many times - now quite boring, really. As there seems to be more and more Indians coming here now, perhaps you'll all be able to reverse centuries of an anti-Indian mindset with your 'Bollywood' charm and good looks.:D[/QUOTE]
Hey! I was just YouTubing and found some stuff by OTH's fave trad folk band:D :
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uSGtRoEQYA[/url]
It's hard to think of a good reason why any tourists should give a monkey's about racism in Thailand. The locals smile a lot, but don't actually seem to like each other most of the time, let alone outsiders.
can someone spell the word correctly, in the heading please?
[QUOTE=1Ball]can someone spell the word correctly, in the heading please?[/QUOTE]
Nope. It's completely perfect if our galactic-class dyslexic prof takes his rightful place in the thread.
[QUOTE=1Ball]can someone spell the word correctly, in the heading please?[/QUOTE]
I just assumed that was just the Americans making up a new spelling for a word that was spelt fine already? :)
i have yet to rtff in full please excuse me. however i need to get a feeling for a few things before i dig.
ive read that some girls will not service specific people and that there are clubs for specific races. i fall somewhere in between.
im turkish greek russian from new york city. i can look arab spanish or italian. it depends on who is looking at me. i also deal with a little speech impediment that doesnt always go over well with asian people. ive gotten into nasty arguments here in nyc. usually everbody ends up "losing face".
ive heard thailand is different than other asian countries (more friendly) is this true?
does anyone think i wouldnt get serviced to *my expectations(bbbj,daty) due to any of these issues ?
If you have the baht, they have the time and the orifice.
It's all about BAHT - pay for service.
no money, not much chance of honey.
Same as at home, actually.
[quote=artisttyp] im turkish greek russian from new york city.
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does anyone think i wouldnt get serviced to *my expectations(bbbj,daty) due to any of these issues ?[/quote]
turkey, greece, and russia all have some very good looking dudes, even to thais. so your origins aren't necessarily a problem.
the main issue is to be very well washed and groomed in general so that you don't look low class and don't smell bad. i.e. greasy hair doesn't look good. stinky under arms is a turn off to thais.
its hard to comment on how people react to a speech impediment, as i don't have one and therefore lack the experience and i am not thai.
when guys find some girl who doesn't speak english, then they won't be able to have a conversation anyway.
if in a blow job bar, not much conversation is necessary and the girl has her mouth full anyway.
daty depends on whether the particular girl likes it or not.
Well I'm a black american and have NEVER had a problem being serviced in Thailand or any other Asian country I've ever been. I find it curious that these girls all supposedly prefer white guys SO much over any other yet whenever I go to Japan (ESPECIALLY JAPAN), P. I. , Hong Kong, and Thailand, they all seem to go out of their way to get my attention. You'll see a lot said on sites like these about how Thais, or practically any girls-particularly non white- who make a living selling their a$$et$ supposedly prefer white farangs over all others but when it comes down to it, I'll still end up with one or two of the little brown honeys sharing my bed at the end of the night and so will you if you're cool about it.
I really think it's-to paraphrase another post from this thread-all about the money, end of story. Granted, a little' common sense, a good attitude and basic hygiene go a long way with these ladies but when you go there and see these old men in their shorts, socks and sandals ensemble, and I'm talking Wilfred Brimley/Parkinson old, walking around like lovesick teenagers with these beautiful girls young enough to be their grand-daughters on their arm, then I don't really think the girls are too picky about the men they choose or those who choose them let alone about what race he is. IMO, a lot of these guys here really don't like the idea of non white farang playing in what had been their own little sandbox for so long that they'll try and say anything to prevent brown and black people from coming to also enjoy the LOS. Despite the fact that a lot of each have been. *ahem*. "cumming" there since the Vietnam conflict.
I'm sure you'll find some racist thais but you'll find that anywhere you go from anyone, not just Thais, but for every one racist thai, white, black, yellow or brown racist idiot out there, there are hundreds that aren't so ignore the throwback racist idiots and go for the many open minded folks that have evolved into true twentieth first century human beings.
And anyway, if you do encounter any racism from any of the ladies just forget her, get another, and revel in the fact that at least you don't have to suck old ass balls for a living.
[QUOTE=SirHumpsaLott]Well I'm a black american and have NEVER had a problem being serviced in Thailand or any other Asian country I've ever been. I find it curious that these girls all supposedly prefer white guys SO much over any other yet whenever I go to Japan (ESPECIALLY JAPAN), P. I. , Hong Kong, and Thailand, they all seem to go out of their way to get my attention. You'll see a lot said on sites like these about how Thais, or practically any girls-particularly non white- who make a living selling their a$$et$ supposedly prefer white farangs over all others but when it comes down to it, I'll still end up with one or two of the little brown honeys sharing my bed at the end of the night and so will you if you're cool about it.
I really think it's-to paraphrase another post from this thread-all about the money, end of story. Granted, a little' common sense, a good attitude and basic hygiene go a long way with these ladies but when you go there and see these old men in their shorts, socks and sandals ensemble, and I'm talking Wilfred Brimley/Parkinson old, walking around like lovesick teenagers with these beautiful girls young enough to be their grand-daughters on their arm, then I don't really think the girls are too picky about the men they choose or those who choose them let alone about what race he is. IMO, a lot of these guys here really don't like the idea of non white farang playing in what had been their own little sandbox for so long that they'll try and say anything to prevent brown and black people from coming to also enjoy the LOS. Despite the fact that a lot of each have been. *ahem*. "cumming" there since the Vietnam conflict.
I'm sure you'll find some racist thais but you'll find that anywhere you go from anyone, not just Thais, but for every one racist thai, white, black, yellow or brown racist idiot out there, there are hundreds that aren't so ignore the throwback racist idiots and go for the many open minded folks that have evolved into true twentieth first century human beings.
And anyway, if you do encounter any racism from any of the ladies just forget her, get another, and revel in the fact that at least you don't have to suck old ass balls for a living.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't so lucky but, it wasn't THAT bad though. I will FOREVER love Thailand.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=669722#post669722[/url]
Racism is huge in Thailand and Thai girls do prefer johns with lighter skin. Been here long time and can say that this is fact. They also prefer guys that are handsome and rich. Do they always get this combo? Of course not. Will they go with a guy that is dark? Yes, but if it's a choice between a colored man and a white skinned man of equal looks and status, they will choose the white skinned guy 9 times out of ten. This is fact. Is it racism? Who cares. I see plenty of dark skinned guys getting tail especially in pattaya where the girls fuck anything that walks. A previous poster mentioned that hygenie and dress are important and this is certainly true. However, in a land that is obsessed with whitening their skin and idolizing white skin people from thai pop culture, it would be foolish to say that they are not concerned about skin color. Seen black guys clean house in Japan, but never in Thailand. That doesn't mean you cant' get action here. If you got a pulse you can get laid in thailand. You may not have the whole market open to you, but you'll still have plenty to chose from. Play hard and bang hard.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]Racism is huge in Thailand and Thai girls do prefer johns with lighter skin. Been here long time and can say that this is fact. They also prefer guys that are handsome and rich. Do they always get this combo? Of course not. Will they go with a guy that is dark? Yes, but if it's a choice between a colored man and a white skinned man of equal looks and status, they will choose the white skinned guy 9 times out of ten. This is fact. Is it racism? Who cares. I see plenty of dark skinned guys getting tail especially in pattaya where the girls fuck anything that walks. A previous poster mentioned that hygenie and dress are important and this is certainly true. However, in a land that is obsessed with whitening their skin and idolizing white skin people from thai pop culture, it would be foolish to say that they are not concerned about skin color. Seen black guys clean house in Japan, but never in Thailand. That doesn't mean you cant' get action here. If you got a pulse you can get laid in thailand. You may not have the whole market open to you, but you'll still have plenty to chose from. Play hard and bang hard.[/QUOTE]And yet for everyone of you guys on sites like this that claim this supposed fact of Thai life, it’s never been proven true from any of my first hand personal experiences in Thailand or anywhere else although granted there may be some sort of bias amongst thai community regarding darker/lighter skin thais. Personally, I think a lot of you guys are just projecting your personal racial bias(and wishful thinking).
I’m not talking as just a sex tourist about bar girls, I own a company and I just moved my manufacturing operations from China to Thailand and actually do business with regular Thais on an almost daily basis as well as now have to make frequent trips to Bangkok and other areas in Thailand several times a year. I first met my business contact there about 15 years ago while I was a U.S. Marine and he a member of the Royal Thai Marines and we have had long discussions about this very topic. Anyway, I’ve had more than enough time to mingle with the regular average thai man and woman in Thailand and when the topic of race inevitably comes up, the impression I always leave with is that it’s a bias amongst thais against other thais moreso than any issue they may have with other dark skinned ethnicities.
What you’re not understanding is that Thais, like anyone else, cannot be generalized as all thinking the same and each capable of making their own minds up about what they like based on their own individual experiences. Though you may have met some, and I'm sure there are, with negative feelings toward dark skin, I’ve actually met many Thai, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc as well as some white women that PREFER and also actively seek out dark skinned Farang. I’ve noticed this also amongst women in the U.S., parts of Europe and Australia in particular.
Anyway, back to the Thai girls,
What you are also not taking into consideration is the “type” and background of the average black man that would even be over there in the first place that the thais would have a chance to encounter. I mean, other than African college students and military service members, any other type is bound to be either American or British civilians on vacation/holiday and judging by some of the other black members of this site, of above average income level. There is no “bad” history between thais and blacks that would cause there to be bad juju between either for there to be a basis for racist feelings. What about the average black guy does an average Thai have to complain about in the first place?
Incidentally, I am often in bars and clubs in Thailand, Japan, etc, and have been in the situation you mentioned above in which I had to vie for the attention of a thai woman I wanted in a bar (regular club, not a go-go) full of white guys who were mostly all younger than me and I'm guessing at least as good looking and by your rationale, I should have went home empty handed but she chose me over them, granted the guys didn’t really try that hard and there were many other girls for them to choose from but by your rationale, they shouldn’t have had to at all; my girl should have just went with them over me based solely on their “whiteness” and my lack thereof.
Another story; While out for drinks in Bankok one night, one of the factory office managers got a little tipsy and told me in no uncertain terms, despite her tenuous grasp of english, that should I ever decide to live in Thailand that I could make extra money as a gigolo since according to her, African men and Black men from both England and America are fetching top bhat from wealthy Thai women but hey, don’t believe me, amazingly enough there was a research done a few years ago on this very topic:
[url]http://www.msuspokesman.com/media/paper270/news/2002/11/08/WorldNews/Thai-Female.Elite.Demand.Black.Gigolos-318113.shtml[/url]
Amazing huh?
Soooo… if wealthy Thai women are apparently willing to pay for sex with black men, (especially when I wouldn’t think they would have to) what then does that say about your theory regarding what they “prefer”?
I’m not saying Thais are perfect when it comes to racial tolerance, (I've seen how they divide themselves by class and territory amongst the workers in the factory) only that they aren’t anymore racist than anyone else and I have yet to encounter the same amount and veracity of racism in Thailand than I have here in the U.S. or anywhere else.
Then again, I can only speak for me, not the thread starter who is apparently East Indian, although, I have seen those dudes with Thai women as well.
[QUOTE=Amjeck]They also prefer guys that are handsome and rich. [/QUOTE]Please leave me out of this LOL.
On a more serious note, I am young, not so ugly and I have a job that pays me quite well. Yes, I have a lot of opportunities, everywhere I go to get dates with Thai women (I actually took the chance a few times, which I will write reports on some) but it is my experience (however very short: 3 years) that Thai women tend to prefer Younger Thai men.
Yes, a lot of girls go with us foreigners (sometimes just to "try") and a lot of them actually likes Foreigners because we treat them with respect (in most cases) BUT, I can speak for a few girls in my office, who are married to Older Farangs and tell whoever wants to hear about their 3 or 4 younger Thai Boyfriends on the side. The Farang Husband is their Bank. One girls actually admitted she was waiting for her Husband to pass away so she could inherit.
Thailand is complicated and it will take me another 10 years to even begin to understand Thais, if ever.
Always nice to get some different points of view.
I'm white, so, I suppose it is inevitable that my opinions are going to be tainted by that - not necessarily from any pre-conceptions of my own (although that's possible as well), but, because I am shown what people expect me to want to see. The implication in your message is that (being white) I might be predisposed to the idea of Thai's being more attracted to whites than blacks (actually, a more accurate statement might be less repulsed by whites than blacks, but I'll get there shortly).
Now, as I mentioned, the Thais that I meet may want me to think they like me (and my 'kind') more than blacks, so, they present that point of view to me, and, I come away thinking that that is their point of view. I say it is possible, but I don't think it is likely, and here is why:
1) I've formed a few deep and abiding friendships with some Thai's over the years. They've been to visit me in various parts of the world etc etc. Almost to the last man, they've viewed blacks as inferior. This attitude is diluted heavily with education - it also seems to fade away for expat Thais. My point here is, amongst my Thai friends, it is pretty much taken as a given that the Thai's are an incredibly racist bunch (and this may or may not be a bad thing - whether it is or not is a subject of great debate), and, that Thai's generally don't like blacks. They don't like whites much either, but blacks are definitely a couple of rungs down the ladder.
2) Anthropologically it makes sense that they'd put whitey a cut above. The people from the poorest part of Thailand (Isaan) are also the darkest. Dark skin is associated with working in the fields (and therefore poverty). For these reasons dark skin is considered undesirable and millions upon millions are spent on skin whitening products. It is the same deal as here in the west, if you have money, you have time to lie around in the sun, so a tan is desirable - we spend millions on tanning products.
Now, all that being said, there's always a segment of the population that varies from the most commonly held view. You've mentioned them in your post - I've certainly heard of middle aged Japanese women hiring big studly black men (although I've never seen it). I think the higher standards of education in Japan and Korea probably have a lot to do with that, not to mention black heroes in action movies and the like that are seen everywhere. While I happily acknowledge that cross section of the Thai population exists that would prefer blacks to whites, I would maintain (pretty strongly in fact) that that segment isn't a huge one.
As a final point, it is worth noting that the Thais consider the Indian's to be the absolute bottom of the barrel. My guess is it is because they've seen plenty of poor Indians around the place (there's a heap in Phuket trying to flog stuff in the markets). Rarely have they seen any poor blacks (the only blacks I've ever seen in Thailand have been wealthy enough to go there on holiday), so, they're considered in a kinder light than the Indians.
I spent many years there also.
Thai women are all about money.
If you give good wallet, they like you.
Its not the color of your skin, its the color of your money.
You would have to pay me to go back to Thailand and deal with Thai women. They kind of disgust me now with their aggresive money obsession.