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David, I like and respect you. I think you know that. While I know that you really feel the need to disparage TR, I would submit that those with good negotiating skills and the ablity to spot the sharks (yes, about half or more of the girls there), one can do very well there. I have been with about 10 girls form TR, and most have been great..YMMV, and it does depend on your skills at choising...I don't only rely on TR, as you know, I find women in many ways...Some of us, however, like the fantasty of a pick up bar, and the dancefloor..half the fun..
Respectfully...
Psychman
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Yeah, Dave's not a fan of TR, to say the least. LOL!!!!
Doesn't change my opinion of him. He's been a very upfront guy, at least on the board, and his posts were one of the main reasons that I decided to check out the monger scene in Lima over 3-4 yrs ago. And even back then, he didn't recommend TR. He's been consistent. LOL!!!
Anyway, I enjoy hanging in the shark tank (TR), primarily because it's all an illusion, and I don't fool myself when I walk down those stairs. I like the nightclub scene. I like being able to dance when I want, and to pull up to the bar, when I want. And I like calling girls over to shoot the shit. And I hate paying salidas to a bar.
I don't mind the sharks. I know how to say NO. In fact, I've been cool with several of them over the years. I know what my price point is, and I let them know my level of interest. I just let them know that early, and if they are still around when I'm ready to leave, we come to an understanding on price for TLN. If not, I'm okay with going home alone, even though that rarely happens. Some of the sharks will sometimes even come back to the hotel for free. It happens, depends on the nights and how you've treated them.
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The last time I was there, a girl wanted to charge me for drinking an orange juice I bought her and sitting with me for 10 minutes.
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[QUOTE=David_33]The last time I was there, a girl wanted to charge me for drinking an orange juice I bought her and sitting with me for 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]
I had the same thing happen to me many times. I suggested they wasted my time by inviting themselves over without my consent.
The girls at TR have a DR/Colombian mentality...total hustlers.
Every now and then a newbie loner type creeps in but you never know when that will happen. I've spent many nights there searching only to find the same old crew there night after night.
Also TR is someplace you can easily blow $50 and not take anything home.
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[QUOTE=David_33]The last time I was there, a girl wanted to charge me for drinking an orange juice I bought her and sitting with me for 10 minutes.[/QUOTE]
Exactly the type of girl to NOT go with. If a girl asks for a drink too quickly, next. If I offer a girl a beer and she asks for a baileys, next. Pressure to leave too quickly, next..I have no problem telling the sharks I am not interested in spending time with them. I say it with respect, kindly, but firmly..Basically, I agree David, that places like TR will lead to bad sessions half the time if you are a newbie, and 20 percent of the time if you have your mongering chops..I have a sort of fantasy senario I play out to the girls, not a script if you will, but I find out how they would treat a boyfriend who they may never see again, someone that they are in love with...I ask them to describe it, not in terms of sexual detials, but their emotional content of their interactions..If they cannot go there, then next...If they are able to continue, then I tell that that that is what I want from them that night, I want them to pretend, or at least act as if, they are madly in love with me..if they find this odd, do not understand, or balk, then next... I would say that for every ten that I interview, I will only leave with 25%- so that means I have to work it a bit more to get what I want. I do find, however, that this statagy helps me weed out the but on a condom and lets get to it girls...The trip before last, I did have to kick one girl out of my room, as it was clear she was not with the program- I gave her 20 bucks to send her on her way quietly; well worth it.
Of course, this appoach is not for everyone; you have to speak the language well and be willing to walk....
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Newbie or oldbie, a man gotta be a man, no matter where you are, or the language spoken. YOU call the shots. If you act like a doormat, you will be treated like one. Most of these chicks are just testing you to see how far they can go.
How hard is it to say NO nicely, then rudely? No = No (in English or Spanish)
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[QUOTE=Hoof Hunter]Newbie or oldbie, a man gotta be a man, no matter where you are, or the language spoken. YOU call the shots. If you act like a doormat, you will be treated like one. Most of these chicks are just testing you to see how far they can go.
How hard is it to say NO nicely, then rudely? No = No (in English or Spanish)[/QUOTE]
In business anywhere in the world it is known as ¨Qualifying the Client¨. And while being Qualified, you are supposed to be " Inspecting the Merchandise¨. Buying her a drink lets her know you are not a ¨Tire Kicker¨like most guys, but does not entitle you to anything but a closer look,a dance and some conversation.
Most regular guys are pre-qualified and the girls know what you will pay. If you are upfront with them about not looking for anything and they stay and drink/dance/talk anyway, you are on your way to a good night!
I was there with a few ISG members the other night and had an attractive well dressed Non-pro sit next to me (We were in a reserved section but I waved off the bartender). Most guys know that like Screwedup, I am more interested in getting to yes than actually closing the deal. TR works well for me because a non-pro is intimidated by the display of flesh.
Turns out she is married to an American diplomat (out of town) that she had heard frequents TR and decided to check it out. Two good whiskeys later she had my cock out of my pants telling me how much she wanted it. I told her I was married and did not normally do this which got her hotter still.
It was at this moment that I pulled switch. I told her that I had to leave, but she was welcome to stay in the Penthouse and I would come by the next morning and satisfy her. If she did not mind a good friend of mine was staying there tonight and would look after her.
Roll forward to the next morning and my 57 y/o buddy shagged her 4 times that night (a new record).
TR/LDV/Help type disco´s are certainly not for everyone but I can tell you it works for alot of guy´s who live here or travel regularly.
LB
PS: WestFLa, I ran into your GF and she sends her love (I am just a little embarrassed to pass it on in person. Ja Ja).
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Next!
I like your style Psychman! Exactly how I handle the more agressive Colombians in San Jose at the BM or KL. I take my time and talk to a lot of girls before picking out the night's entertainment. At the BM I always walk a prospect over to a table in a quieter area and talk for a while to size her up. More than once I have simply had to tell a sweet young thing that "Lo siento, pero entre nosotros, no hay una cierta química" (no chemistry between us). I tell her she is beautiful and sexy but just not my type and have never had one get angry about it. It is the hunt, not the kill, that makes mongering fun to me.
[QUOTE=Psychman]Exactly the type of girl to NOT go with. If a girl asks for a drink too quickly, next. If I offer a girl a beer and she asks for a baileys, next. Pressure to leave too quickly, next. I have no problem telling the sharks I am not interested in spending time with them. I say it with respect, kindly, but firmly. Basically, I agree David, that places like TR will lead to bad sessions half the time if you are a newbie, and 20 percent of the time if you have your mongering chops. I have a sort of fantasy senario I play out to the girls, not a script if you will, but I find out how they would treat a boyfriend who they may never see again, someone that they are in love with. I ask them to describe it, not in terms of sexual detials, but their emotional content of their interactions. If they cannot go there, then next. If they are able to continue, then I tell that that that is what I want from them that night, I want them to pretend, or at least act as if, they are madly in love with me. If they find this odd, do not understand, or balk, then next. I would say that for every ten that I interview, I will only leave with 25%- so that means I have to work it a bit more to get what I want. I do find, however, that this statagy helps me weed out the but on a condom and lets get to it girls. The trip before last, I did have to kick one girl out of my room, as it was clear she was not with the program- I gave her 20 bucks to send her on her way quietly; well worth it.
Of course, this appoach is not for everyone; you have to speak the language well and be willing to walk. [/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Hoof Hunter]How hard is it to say NO...[/QUOTE]
It was easy to say, but hard for her to accept. I was at a TR-like establishment in Panama City (Habanos) the other day. Not sure if this is a tactic to be used intentionally at TR or if it would even work if I tried it intentionally, but you never know. As I rarely get the time or opportunity to ravage the flesh of another these days, my game isn’t up to par and I knew the seasoned pro Colombians in Habanos would chew me up and spit me out with little effort; therefore, I merely stopped in to chat with a couple of visiting gringo buddies, sip a beer, and puff on a cohiba. My apparently obvious disinterest and lack of drool attracted the hottest girl there. She had one of those protruding asses that you could set a beer on without spilling a drop. Anyway, she came on strong and proposed $200, I graciously rejected, she proposed to include anal, I graciously rejected, she commented as to her disbelief that I would reject anal with her! and she upped the ante to BBBJ, I graciously rejected. I honestly had no intention of taking a girl, I swear. But I digress, she was pissed that I kept refusing and that I wasn’t drooling all over her giant fake tits. I let her rant and brag about how most guys would give their left nut for anal sex with her and when I tried to leave alone, she grabbed my hand and wouldn’t let me. To make a long story not so long, she continued to act all indignant and insisted I give her $200 for BBBJ, anal and anything else I wanted. To shut her up, I insisted on straight, completed covered, missionary sex only and that I’d only give her $100. It must have caught her off guard, because she readily accepted, probably because she was more pissed than anything, and I ended up cornholing her anyway. Goddamn it was funny.
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It works. Rule number 1 always be prepared to walk away. One of things that has helped me in TR is because of my demeanor, while not intentional, is that I come across as the least interested guy in the place. Pros or not, they are still women and their egos sometimes get the best of them.
I understand why some guys don't care much for TR. If your goal is go in and negiotate a session and leave it can be a crapshoot. A lesson I learnt on my first trip to Lima. Had I done TR when I was new to game I would have hated it. I started out in Rio back in the days where a lot the girls aimed for repeat business and with that aim in mind they provided good service in hopes of you coming back. GFE and TLN wasn't something you negotiated they were a given. I took those same expectations to Colombia and was in for a rude awakening when the girls didn't automatically pretend you were the best they ever had and fell in love with you, for a price. My running line in Rio was "I love you, how much? "
In TR, it is buyer beware, and proper vetting is required. If a monger isn't inclined to play the game or doesn't speak decent Spanish then it can be just annoying. While I enjoy the place and am glad it is back in business I think it is important to let those less inclined that they may be happier elsewhere. It isn't a matter of being a newbie or a skilled monger rather a matter of preference when it comes to the monger experience. My first TR experience was spectacular, my second not so much. I have made the place work for me but as in many places that attract hustlers, with help of this board, I have learnt to play game.
[QUOTE=Maltrufio]Not sure if this is a tactic to be used intentionally at TR or if it would even work if I tried it intentionally, but you never know.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Shyguy]I like your style Psychman! Exactly how I handle the more agressive Colombians in San Jose at the BM or KL. I take my time and talk to a lot of girls before picking out the night's entertainment. At the BM I always walk a prospect over to a table in a quieter area and talk for a while to size her up. More than once I have simply had to tell a sweet young thing that "Lo siento, pero entre nosotros, no hay una cierta química" (no chemistry between us). I tell her she is beautiful and sexy but just not my type and have never had one get angry about it. It is the hunt, not the kill, that makes mongering fun to me.[/QUOTE]Good to see you here Shyguy...I remmember that great walking tour we did together a few years back in CR- we must have hit a dozen MPs that day. Good times.
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Dildo Films Blog
Anyone know who operates this blog/site? This fucker is using my photos as the header on his site. I'm flattered, but at the same time I'm a little pissed he did not get my consent.
Late,
Judd
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Spa
Anyone have any knowledge on a Spa in Lima by the name of Sivilom, or similiar name?
Any contact info, address, phone, wed address, etc would be appreciated.
Thanks
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Lima again
Hola,
I am new to posting on ISG, but feel it is time to do my share. I am 61 years old. Just got back from Lima.
I have been to Lima 6 times in the last 14 months. I also have been to Costa Rica and Cali.
I always travel with a wing man and on this trip I also met Jockey who took me to meet David 33. We had a great lunch at Tanta in MF.
I always stay at the ML in Lima and they have upped the rates 10 Soles. David hooked me up with a really sweet girl. She was 21 and as we had trouble getting into the ML since she did not have her ID I took her to the Atlantic City Casino for Ice cream till a different person was at the desk who I knew would look the other way. She stayed about 3 hours and for 200 soles I was well pleased. David made me laugh when I told him I wanted BBBJ and He said but of course.
Made my Mandatory trips to El Trocadoro and Las Cucardas. Some of the regulars that I really liked.Monica was not working any more.
I have to laugh at all the warnings to stay away from these two joints. I have never had a problem there and I suspect some guys are trying to keep other mongers away. Not to fear, these places have mostly locals anyway.
Pizza Ally is a joke. Real beasts hang out there.
As I was there TR just reopened and they also raized there prices to 30 Soles for Chicas. The same old crowd there and I can't do anything there since My hooker Girlfriend who I met there finds out within Minutes When I get there. The network these girls have is unreal! The more I go to Lima the more I like to get a girl and give her around 200 Soles and take to eat and dancing then back to the room for a few hours. I try to be a real gentleman with them and it works well for me. I work out and try to dress good and that helps also.
Going to CTG on Mayo 14th. A report will follow.
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You didn´t look like 61, must be all that mongering keeping you young.