First Monterrey Experience
First time poster, long time lurker.
I am an occasional business visitor to Monterrey but since I am usually tied up with senior company executives or don't stay in town overnight, I have not had the opportunity to partake of the many options this city has to offer. This week the cat is away and the mouse is ready to play.
Since I don't speak Spanish and have only rarely ventured from the hotel I was very uncertain how to get started. This forum provided enough details to get me through. Thank you to all the forum members, both the regulars who provide the useful information and the other newbies who ask the many questions that need to be asked.
First commendation goes to USB. You posted a few weeks back that a newbie like me who does not speak Spanish would be best served by visiting a mid-level club such as Casino, Pasarales or Harem. Throwing a dart at the wall had me heading to Pasareles.
Second commendation goes to Carlos. The map you have created is invaluable in helping to understand the area and identify ground zero of the sex scene in Monterrey. My company usually stays at the Presidente Intercontinental which is located too far to walk to the clubs. In order to avoid the inevitable cab driver re-direct, I hailed a cab and asked to be taken to a hotel near Pasarelas. The hotel was a very short walk from the intended target and I did not get any BS from the cabbie. Fare to the Hotel = $35 pesos plus $10 peso tip.
While USB's intent was good, I was not thrilled with Pasarales. I got there around 10: 30 on a Wednesday night. There were about 20 girls there with 3-4 that caught my eye but I was totally unsuccessful in finding an English speaking girl or bartender to explain the options available to me. Unfortunately the girls spent most of their time talking to each other or watching the soccer. After about 15 minutes of boredom with no dancers on stage I was thinking about giving it up. The girls I was interested in lacked the enthusiasm to work through the language barrier and soon wandered off. Eventually I as able to find a girl who was willing to work through the language and get us both were we wanted to go. She wasn't my first choice but she was persistant and enthusiastic. With a lot of sign language and groping she was able to get across two options:
15 minutes = 550 pesos
30 minutes = 1000 pesos
Since I wasn't entirely sure what to expect I went for the 15 minutes. A man came over and I gave him $600 pesos and gave the waiter $50 for my one beer and was led upstairs. The upstairs has two different areas. They have about 30 open "closets" with a place to sit. I also saw 3 "rooms" with curtains. We went into one of the rooms and when the first guy brought my change and the cover he shut the curtain and she got to work. I got a full 15 minutes of CBJ and FS which was all I needed.
When we got dressed I went back downstairs and took off. A $50 peso cab ride back to the hotel wrapped up my trip. I never got anything back from my beer but didn't expect anything. Total damage at the club was $600. I think I'll do a different club tomorrow or hold out for my choice rather than settling but for my first trip I was more than satisfied. I'd like to try Infinito based on everything I hear on this site and may head there. Either that or Casino and hope for better communications next time.
Thanks to all and happy mongering.
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Any information on La Vinador
Since I've finally posted my first report, why bother waiting for a second. There is a club near the Presidente called El Vinador. I've always wondered if the girls there were available for anything more than show. I've never seen anything going on except talking and nobody ever disappeared into a back room. After talking to the manager I get them impression they are just there for scenery. Any differing opinions? The girls are very good looking. Definately a notch up from Pasarales.
Understand the distinction...
Bars like Pasarelas, Casino, Harem, and Bahamas are sometimes inconsistent with respect to quality of selection. A lot of it depends sometimes on the night of the week. As you get closer to the weekend, Wednesday through Saturday, you'll see a marked difference in the quality of selection available over the weekend as compared with the first part of the week.
In addition, as the rent becomes due toward the end of the month, you'll also notice a better selection being available in the clubs. Some of these girls just come out of the woodwork to supplement their incomes, and you will NOT find them at other times of the month, totally losing track of them until their need arises again.
For the new, or infrequent visitor, I believe that the lower end bars such as El Infinito, Matehuela, El Cielo, Givenchi, etc...are more difficult to navigate and understand, especially for the Gringo, than the medium level bars. Finding girls in the lower end bars that speak English is even more of an oddity than in the medium and upper level bars, and the comfort level in the lower end bars leaves a lot to be desired.
Plus the girls in the lower end bars are into turnover, spending less time and effort on communication, and more time and effort on rotation. So, for the non-Spanish speaking visitor, the lower end bars may be a little less satisfying than the medium level bars. In the medium level bars, communication is the way the girls earn their living.
The girls we run into within the SC bar scene are from a strata within the social structure in Mexico where they offer themselves for sale in the bar at the expense of being thought of by the majority of Mexican society as the lowest of the low.
Most of them are somewhat delusional in that they truly justify it a number of ways. Many of them rationalize their behavior by thinking of themselves as "entertainers." With many of the girls, their legitimate friends, neighbors, and and extended family members have no idea what they actually do for a living. And, if their loved ones and friends do suspect what they do for a living, they maintain a level of denial about their suspicions out of an economic justification of necessity. It's a "don't ask, don't tell" kind of environment.
Most of the girls find the work boring and objectionable to their own female sensibilities. But, compared to the difficulty of work that's routinely performed by other "good girls" in Mexican society, the work pays significantly better comparatively. Once they get a taste of the money, they simply can not go back to having regular, hard working, jobs. And, many of the girls figure that if God has blessed them physically, they are going to use what many of them perceive as their only advantage in life.
Their jobs in the bar are NOT easy, staying up late every night, blasting music, all the drunks, dealing with the realities of their behavior upon their own egos, etc...but, they conclude that working like a dog at any other of the legit jobs available to girls in their class, and at wages that are probably 10 times less, is NOT tolerable for them. So, the girls do it because they've concluded that it's the smart thing to do, and their window of opportunity is age related, realizing their future destiny is otherwise relatively bleak. And they do it all knowing they will be reviled by Mexican society.
One thing to understand about Mexican society is that once you are a member of the upper crust, that position within the Mexican class structure is highly valued, perhaps more than money itself. In the US the class distinctions are more blurred. In Mexican society, everything is predicated on class position. So, if you're from a family that has social position, you simply do not throw that distinction away by conducting yourself poorly.
The girls you are running into in the upscale legitimate bar are simply the highest of the high. They would never consider doing what the girls in the SCs do, not without some kind of scenario where their conduct is predicated on their having a legitimate relationship.
What Amigomio is trying to say is that they will consort with the Highest of the High in their society because their affiliations with the highest of the high translate into elevated position for them as well. But, they are going to accept the attentions from the Highest of the High in a different way than what is routinely found in the SC environment.
The girls in the legit upscale bars are likely from well to do families, educated, and from the higher strata of Mexican society. With that distinction prevailing in their minds, they are better than the SC level girls, and would never demean themselves only for money. They are probably just as HOT in legitimate relationships, but they would NEVER consider giving up their status in the higher social strata by demeaning themselves the way our SC girls demean themselves. The "Good" girls in the upscale bars will "play," but only to the extent that they do so according to the rules of upper class Mexican society, rules that our SC girls do not play by.
The SC girls figure they are already the lowest of the low, with almost NO chance of being included in the upper strata. So, most of them have given over their virtue, along with any hopes for class position, in favor of the next best thing, money. To them, money is the "equalizer," the sweet revenge upon a society that labels them inferior through no fault of their own.
Many of the "good" girls, even the highest of the high, dress provocatively, act erotically, according to our own Gringo sociology, and sometimes they appear to us to be "available" for our kind of mongering fun, when in reality, they are totally and completely unavailable for our kind of fun.
We sense their provocativeness according to our own social standards in the USA, and we misinterpret their erotic demeanors according to standards that originate in our own Gringo culture, thereby mistakenly believing they are "available" for our kind of fun, when nothing could be further from their minds.
They may believe that by associating legitimately with a Gringo they can achieve even a higher social status than they currently occupy in Mexican society, but they would not consider going about it the way a lower end bar girl might go about it with us.
Both good girls and/or bad girls would probably do just about anything to achieve higher social status, but their methodology in achieving it would be totally different, the good girl achieving it through legitimate romance, and the bad girl achieving it by acting like a depraved nymphomaniac, and for relatively little money, thank God!!
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[QUOTE=Asian Fixation]First time poster, long time lurker.
I am an occasional business visitor to Monterrey but since I am usually tied up with senior company executives or don't stay in town overnight, I have not had the opportunity to partake of the many options this city has to offer. This week the cat is away and the mouse is ready to play.
Since I don't speak Spanish and have only rarely ventured from the hotel I was very uncertain how to get started. This forum provided enough details to get me through. Thank you to all the forum members, both the regulars who provide the useful information and the other newbies who ask the many questions that need to be asked.
First commendation goes to USB. You posted a few weeks back that a newbie like me who does not speak Spanish would be best served by visiting a mid-level club such as Casino, Pasarales or Harem. Throwing a dart at the wall had me heading to Pasareles.
Second commendation goes to Carlos. The map you have created is invaluable in helping to understand the area and identify ground zero of the sex scene in Monterrey. My company usually stays at the Presidente Intercontinental which is located too far to walk to the clubs. In order to avoid the inevitable cab driver re-direct, I hailed a cab and asked to be taken to a hotel near Pasarelas. The hotel was a very short walk from the intended target and I did not get any BS from the cabbie. Fare to the Hotel = $35 pesos plus $10 peso tip.
While USB's intent was good, I was not thrilled with Pasarales. I got there around 10: 30 on a Wednesday night. There were about 20 girls there with 3-4 that caught my eye but I was totally unsuccessful in finding an English speaking girl or bartender to explain the options available to me. Unfortunately the girls spent most of their time talking to each other or watching the soccer. After about 15 minutes of boredom with no dancers on stage I was thinking about giving it up. The girls I was interested in lacked the enthusiasm to work through the language barrier and soon wandered off. Eventually I as able to find a girl who was willing to work through the language and get us both were we wanted to go. She wasn't my first choice but she was persistant and enthusiastic. With a lot of sign language and groping she was able to get across two options:
15 minutes = 550 pesos
30 minutes = 1000 pesos
Since I wasn't entirely sure what to expect I went for the 15 minutes. A man came over and I gave him $600 pesos and gave the waiter $50 for my one beer and was led upstairs. The upstairs has two different areas. They have about 30 open "closets" with a place to sit. I also saw 3 "rooms" with curtains. We went into one of the rooms and when the first guy brought my change and the cover he shut the curtain and she got to work. I got a full 15 minutes of CBJ and FS which was all I needed.
When we got dressed I went back downstairs and took off. A $50 peso cab ride back to the hotel wrapped up my trip. I never got anything back from my beer but didn't expect anything. Total damage at the club was $600. I think I'll do a different club tomorrow or hold out for my choice rather than settling but for my first trip I was more than satisfied. I'd like to try Infinito based on everything I hear on this site and may head there. Either that or Casino and hope for better communications next time.
Thanks to all and happy mongering.
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I would suggest that the author or another Forum Member consider posting a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]