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I got the "Comprehensive" health check at the above listed hospital last week. It included almost every conceivable test a middle aged man would want to take, including a full battery of blood tests. Overall the service for about 13,000 BHT was well worth the price, time and effort, and is, according to previous reports on this board, a fraction of the price you would pay in an advanced country. I was very satisfied with the experience and would repeat it.
My only disappointment was with the attending physician who seemed non-caring and trying to withold information, while subtley steering me to specialists. I will be able to find out much information about my test results from the Internet than what he provided in the follow-up consultation. However, in medical care these days, the "gatekeeper" function this young, inexperienced doctor provided is often the norm.
[QUOTE=Poupard2000]Being in Bangkok for now more than two months, I would like to give a short overview of my experience of expat.
Two months and you call your self an expat? I know guys who have been here for forty years. Now they are expats!
[QUOTE=Poupard2000]
- BierGarden... soi 7 . it depends on the days... sometimes one or two very nice girls... but more frequently average girls... too many men... I was with Nii, a girl from Surin... 2000 bahts for LT... very good in the bed... barebacking
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Thanks for the contribution. I am not so sure barebacking a BierGarden girl is a good idea but hey whatever.
I had a guy attempt to suscribe my services to seek out his girl from Soi 33.
I was in Argentina at that moment so it was geographically impossible.
I thought he was in love.
Later I returned to Bangkok ask inquired if he still needed my help.
He PM'd me that he used an alternate means to contact her and that the reason for his action was that she gave him herpes.
All in all I am glad I didnt do that task and replied that he could of
simply posted his report and avoided the investigative proceedure.
Soi 33 is supposed to the upscale Soi i.e. 1500B bar fines.
But to me they same girls in a different costume.
A clue may be that Hi-so girls dont eat from bug carts.
[QUOTE=Globotto]Soi 33 is supposed to the upscale Soi i.e. 1500B bar fines.
But to me they same girls in a different costume.[/QUOTE]
100% agree on Soi 33.
Hey tonyUSA, you said a few weeks ago, and I quote:
"Will be posting a detailed report as soon as I get back to the USA"
I take it you are back.
You asked dozens and dozens of questions, 99% of which you could have got the answers to , if you had only RTFF, but you couldn't be bothered.
Your turn, let's see this fabulous FR.
Tony USA,
Yeah, let's have that FR!
Inspired by Evil Penivel's marvellous report about the grace Coffe Shop
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=373934#post373934[/url]
I searched more posts of his and came across a recommandation of the Town Lodge Hotel
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=401789#post401789[/url]
and a report about giving small teddies to girls
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=401789#post401789[/url]
Immeadiately my thoughts came across an old friend of mine. A Swiss guy whom I know from Hong Kong about 10 years ago, who lives in Bangkok now and manufactures teddies.
So far so good. On December 30 I wanted to book a hotel in Bangkok for new year's eve, and my regular hotel was fully booked, so I thought to give town lodge a try, and luckily they still had exactly one room left
Arriving on 31st at 9 pm I wanted to check in, and what a surprise, it was the teddy guy who owns a share in the hotel and runs the bar. He already knew that I was coming from my name on the reservation list.
Thanks Evil!
This place is really good value for money. 1200 for a nice room. Also the "Toxic Club" will be going to be something special. When I came in, the first eyes that smiled at me made me immediately believe that It would be a complete waste of time to search for something better. The barfine is 600 and the girls will ask 1500 st or 2500 lt, my friend told me. I found 2500 a bit steep, but didn't want to dicuss money with the girl upfront. I showed my interest in her slowly and built up some relation before paying the barfine. And she turned out to keep even more that she looked promising. Very beautiful, 20 years old, good english and genuine fun. Exactly how I like it.
Unluckily she needed to go to see her family the next day, but would be back in a few days. She asked me if I wanted to come with her, but I told her I don't consider this as avery good idea for her.
When I asked her in the morning how much she expects, she wouldn't answer. So I gave her 2000 and in good thai manners she put it away with a smile and thank you without counting it.
The bar was not busy, since they don't have many girls yet. (They are looking for classy and beautiful girls with good english skills, which is not so easy, especially in a time when all the sponsors are in town).
Another advantage of the Toxic bar is that they are open all night. But that has its price. Beer is 120, (2for1 from 4pm to 9pm) and 170 after 2 am.
I will be back there by the day she returnes. I Escaped the smog to Pattaya for the meantime.
Tiger
I'm currently having a great time in Koh Samuyi. I'm thinking of moving on to either Phi Phi or Krabi from here.
Any advice on the scene in those areas to help me decide which way to go.
Cheers and happy new year to ya all!!
Sonny101,
Better look under Other Areas, there is some older, but probably still valid, info there.
Buses to Krabi leave from the Talaat busterminal in Surat Thani and also from Surat Thani (Phumphin) railwaystation.
Talaat Khao busterminal in Krabi is way outside the city, leave Surat before noon to arrive in time to catch a bus to Krabi town.
I am going on a tour of SE Asia in about a month. I will spend 10 days in various spots in Thailand, the rest in SGP and Bali.
While the posts in ISG are very useful, I could use local tour guides who are familiar with the best places for girls, food, entertainment, sight seeing etc...
I prefer someone with culture rather than the low-brow tuktuk and taxi drivers.
Also, any comprehensive guide books for major SE Asia cities, including info for local sex scene, would be very useful.
Please post info or PM me. Thanks in advance.
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]I am going on a tour of SE Asia in about a month. I will spend 10 days in various spots in Thailand, the rest in SGP and Bali.
While the posts in ISG are very useful, I could use local tour guides who are familiar with the best places for girls, food, entertainment, sight seeing etc...
I prefer someone with culture rather than the low-brow tuktuk and taxi drivers.
Also, any comprehensive guide books for major SE Asia cities, including info for local sex scene, would be very useful.
Please post info or PM me. Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]
Lonely Planets and Moon Publications are two very comprehensive and heavy guidebooks for sight-seeing, restaurants, culture, etc. If you have specific question re non-monger activities, go to flyertalk.com and post your questions. Keep in mind this sight is for general audience and don't ask any monger questions here!
For the good stuff, RTFF each specific thread, for instance, the Indonesia>Bali forum has lots of good information. Also the Reports of Distinction. As you read through the forums, you'll get an idea who the 'specialists' are for that specific location and you can PM them directly.
For instance, JAD is an expert on Indonesia....never met him but read many of his posts. You might want to consult with him or even retain his services (he is available for a fee).
Last, a couple of days before you actually visit a location, put up a post to see if any fellow senior brothers around....if they're in town, I'm sure they'd be happy to join you for a drink, etc.
Guidebooks, my favorite subject!
Frommers books are for free:) on rapidshare and the like.
Remember: Google loves you!
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]
While the posts in ISG are very useful, I could use local tour guides who are familiar with the best places for girls, food, entertainment, sight seeing etc...
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It's a bit of a hit-and-miss, but in BKK, some of the P4P girls make excellent guides. In fact, I've found some that are better transalots/fixers than the assistants available through local temp service agencies or the business centers of the major hotels. Problem is finding the right girl. It can be an arduous job in itself, but the interview process is kind of fun. If you find the right girl as your guide, she'll take a lot of pride in the assignment and make impeccable arrangements for you. P4P girks are almost always aware of the best restaurants, know the more cultural sights thoroughly and tend to get you the best prices, at least better than you could get on your own without knowing Thai. And "variation" is no problem. You want six girls, all at once or on different nights, she can arrange it.
This suggestion won't work every time and YMMV, but it's definitely worthwhile to consider a TG as your guide outside and inside the pink zone in BKK.
Cheers,
EP
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]It's a bit of a hit-and-miss, but in BKK, some of the P4P girls make excellent guides.
EP[/QUOTE]
Indeed they do, and they do can get the best prices for your shopping.
ICT Ministry postpones mandatory SIM-card registration
BANGKOK: -- The ICT Ministry has decided to postpone the deadline for registration of pre-paid SIM cards until further notice. No new deadline is given either to network operators or users. Both call centres have no further information for the time being.
DTAC / DPrompt
Khun Yo, supervisor at DTAC Customer Service, says he believe that no registration is necessary at all. The only post-paid users that would need to register is when the number will be used in the three deep southern provinces. Khun Yo added that concerned DTAC customers could call him directly on *1800.
AIS / One-2-Call
The leading provider's Call Centre, AIS, refused to comment the postponed registration requirements.
--Thaivisa.com 2006-01-03
Contact numbers for more info:
AIS/One-2-Call Call Centre: 1175 or 0-2271-9000
DTAC/Happy DPrompt Call centre: *1800
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My comments: I thought this already happened...
juice
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]I thought this already happened...[/QUOTE]Nothing ever happens as planned here.
Just as well as I've been to lazy to register.
[QUOTE=PosterLion]Dear I Jag,
I did not bother to reply to your post because I couldn't figure out its relevency. Probably because it was such a general question. After thinking about this fact, I recall my feelings about going abroad for the first time and I was also full of timid general questions.
If this is your first time (as it appears) to travel outside your mother country then you'd be wise to warn your audience of this so that the jaded old-timers like myself have reason to take pity on you. Now that I am aware of your newbie status I can give you some advice.
WHERE TO STAY
1) Stay at the Majestic Hotel and Book through their website. After you have booked your ticket print the small map and instructions for the Taxi driver (written in Thai). [url]http://www.majesticsuites.com/location.html[/url] The other good reason to stay here is because you can't miss the action, even if you are deaf, blind, and dumb.
2) If you chose to stay elsewhere, I advise you to find similiar instructions that are also written in Thai
3) If you can't find instructions written in Thai then book at a ridiculously expensive hotel that every taxi driver is sure to know.
MONEY
1) Take some cash in case you lose your ATM cards and your credit cards
2) Take two ATM cards from different banks. Keep one in your wallet and the other in your toiletries. Transfer the ATM in your toiletries to the safe in your room upon arrival.
3) Take two credit cards and handle them just as your ATMS
RTFF
Read the forum and as many other sources of information as possible
QUESTIONS
1) Ask as many questions as you want on ISG, but I advise that you explain your newbie status and why you are asking the question as well.
ATTITUDE
Take Traveler's advice and stay calm. If you lose your cool in Thailand and speak to the Thai people in a hot headed manner (as you spoke to Duni), you will find that it may take days (or even weeks) before someone will help you. Instead, stay cool and smile a lot! Smile until it hurts my friend. Thai people like to help those that know how to smile.
Now go enjoy yourself and stop whining! Nobody likes a whiner.
poster[/QUOTE]
Poster:
Good advice and good mannerism! There are other mongerers who will tell him to read the F..forms not realizing the newbie is a newbie...could even be a virgin, never experienced the pleasures of LOS or the other Asian countries.
Another piece of advice is to use protection. Many people have told me aids is in the land of LOS but it is also everywhere else. A doctor told me a story of a young man who was taken by his friend to Asia for a week of fun..he returned as a carrrier of the Aids virus. Use protection!
[QUOTE=Horn Dog 2]Poster:
A doctor told me a story of a young man who was taken by his friend to Asia for a week of fun..he returned as a carrrier of the Aids virus. Use protection![/QUOTE]
This is true, many of my freinds have contracted AIDS after their first trip to Thailand and it has cost them dearly,
Asian Induced Divorce Syndrome (AIDS) :D
flew into bangkok at about 10 pm in november (try to go in the off-season- not as crowded, more hotel availability at cheaper rates). shared a cab from the departure level (avoided the baht 50 fee on the arrival level) with a kuwaiti guy i met on the immigration line. i checked in at the hotel manhattan. they didn’t ask where the other occupant of the room was (i had booked a double). gave me a junior suite, even though i had only booked a standard room. nice enough, though could use more light.
noise from the construction is definitely audible in the morning but not unbearably so. the pool is pretty small and you have to go down a set of stairs on the outside of the hotel to get to it. the breakfast is pretty good: fruit, made to order eggs, other breakfast stuff that i don’t ever eat but could be acceptable to others.
hotel is definitely girl friendly (when i came in with a girl later the old guy who checked me in gave me a thumbs up, apparently approving of the girl. there was no problem either when i brought in another girl to replace the first one).
after checking in at our hotels, i met up with the kuwaiti guy at rainbow 4 in nana plaza about 12:30 am. i didn’t find the girls very attractive. the kuwaiti guy tried to get two different girls to go with him but each wanted either 3000 or 4000 baht, so he passed. we then went outside to the nana hotel parking lot to wait for the parade of girls from the bars and clubs to start. we didn’t see anyone worthwhile come out, so the kuwaiti guy started talking to the touts that hang around the parking lot and was told about a club that was open after hours. the tout called it the mtk club (it’s actually called the stardust club, just off ratchdamri past petchaburi). i am always leery of these touts and tried to talk him out of it but he really wanted to go so we went.
there were about 20-30 girls sitting and standing at the end of the club, with tables and stools for the customers in front of them (sort of like a fishbowl without the glass partition). the papasan told my friend that the price was 2500 baht for all night. he talked him down to 2000 baht per girl for two girls. my friend picked two girls and left. i was torn between one girl with a nice face and another with great tits (i didn’t want a double because i didn’t want a possible hassle at the hotel and i was saving my energy for a session at the eden club the next day before i left for cambodia). chose the face and left with her after getting the papasan to agree to 2000 baht for all night.
had an ok session with the face. she then started to get dressed. i said what happened to the all night i paid for. she said that she had to get home because she had to go to school the next day. i took her back to the club and told the papasan what happened. he, the mamasan, and the girl began arguing while i stood there. the mamasan then took me into the club and said pay another 500 baht and get a new girl until late in the morning. said ok, gave her the 500 baht and a 100 baht tip to the mamasan (at her prompting), and took the great tits to the hotel. (one of the girls the kuwaiti guy had left with was there when i brought back my girl, so apparently this girl also had some problems with the all night concept.)
the great tits was kind of standoffish at first because she was insulted that she was my second choice. after i reassured her that it could have gone either way, we finally started a session. during the session i pulled out and found the condom covered with blood. she then said that her period must of have just started (yeah, sure). that ended the session but i was too tired to go back to the club and get another girl and she had such great tits that i was content to just get oral and have access to her tits until the morning.
after she left at about 11am, i checked out of the hotel and went to the eden club. i didn’t see anyone in the anal side that i wanted to do and i wasn’t too interested in the non-anal girls either so i passed and got an oil massage next door until it was time to go to the airport. be advised that it is impossible to get a cab to take you at the meter rate to the airport during rush hour- most will ask for 300 baht. got one for 260 baht.
i returned from cambodia (see separate post) 10 days later. took the bus from the airport to ekkamai and the pattaya bus. checked in at the sandy spring hotel (baht 1200 double with sea view, no breakfast) booked through scandibar.com. nice room (although limited sea view) and nice check-in staff. nice pool but never took advantage of it.
again found the pretty girls in pattaya to be few and far between. checked the beer bars, discos, soapies, soi 6, and soi post office. i found the best girls to be at the soapies, and even then there were only a few that looked good to me, and one gorgeous girl in a soi 6 bar. the soapies (sabai room, sabai dee, and sabai land) are all still 1600 baht for 1.5 hours.
the best looking girl was one from southern thailand at the sabai room. when i asked her why she didn’t work in bangkok and make more money since she was so beautiful, she said that she was too dark (she wasn’t that much darker, if any, than i am, and i am pretty fair) for thai men and would not do well there. their loss; that’s what they get for looking at skin color and not whether the face is beautiful.
amidst all the hags on soi 6 i saw a beautiful girl who appeared to be leaving her bar. i entered and one of the hags latched on to me. i told her i wanted the beautiful one and she got her before she left. i asked how much and was told 300 baht for the room and 600 baht for her for an hour. i told her that it used to be 600 baht total but she wouldn’t lower the price so i said ok (i wasn’t going to not bang her for 200-300 baht, considering how few pretty girls i was finding). she looked even better naked- great body. ok session, but the hour ended when i finished, not after an actual hour. didn’t find her again when i went back.
returned to bangkok and stayed the weekend at the hyatt (using free nights). checked out spasso (free admission for guests). one nice looking girl but she kept on brushing off men that tried to pick her up. thought that perhaps she wasn’t a pro but saw her leave with a black guy that i hadn’t seen her with before when the club closed so maybe she was.
went back to stardust club but couldn’t find anyone i wanted. papasan kept on pushing me to take a girl or get a drink. finally ordered a beer to shut him up. mistake: 200 baht for a small singha. left and taxi driver who took me there said he knew another club that was open, also 2000 baht all night.
at the club i saw one girl i liked and chose her. the papasan tried to raise the price to 2500 baht but i told him that i was told the price was baht 2000. he said okay and i left with the girl (probably overpaid but cheap enough). hotel security took her id, no hassles. had a session with her. then she starts to get dressed. i said where the hell are you going, i paid for all night. she said that it was only one shot. since i didn’t know where the club was or the name, i couldn’t take her back. i probably could have told security not to give her her id back to make her stay but she wasn’t that good the first time and any subsequent ones would have been even worse, so i chalked it up to experience (and tiredness and over-eagerness) and let her go. moral: confirm with the girl, not the papasan, how long she is going to stay.
moved to the woraburi hotel, down (way down, a 10-15 minute walk, although the hotel has a free shuttle from the hotel to nana plaza) on soi 4. adequate room and breakfast, ok pool, a little noisy at night because of street traffic. $30 double (high season rate, only hotel available).
made the round of the soapies- poseidon, mirage, emmanuelle, hi-lite, caesars, nataree, amsterdam (formerly champs elysees), cleopatra, cupidy, embassy, halem, angara, catherines, la defense, mona lisa, and victorias secret (?), about a mile from la defense (left at the 7-11 past la defense). i found the best looking girls to be not at the expensive soapies but the fishbowl girls at catherines and the sideline girls at nataree. there were some good-looking girls at cupidy but the idiot who talked to me said the price was 2700 baht for the fishbowl girls and 3200 baht for the sideline girls. i told him to go to hell and left. there was one sideline girl at angara that i did- 2000 baht for ok session.
i found the girls at most of the other soapies to be older and more hardened than at catherines and nataree. i was particularly unimpressed with the models at poseidon. not particularly attractive and not a smile from any of them as i looked them over. i guess they were waiting to be chosen by the high-rolling thais and asians instead of a farang. the were two girls at amsterdam that i would have done when i went there, even at 5000 baht each, had i not just finished at nataree and been spent.
the catherines girls do not speak any english at all and are not really used to farangs (i only saw one other farang the 4 times i went there) but they are young, with the four i had ranging from 19 to 23, and pretty (although those were the only girls i would have done there anyway). the price i was quoted at catherines was baht 2000 for two hours. fortunately, i had written down the prices of catherines and la defense from the bkk tonite or stickman website. i showed the prices to him and asked him when the prices had changed. he then said ok, 1500 baht.
one of the girls i had, #92, had the most beautiful pussy i’ve seen in a long time- perfect lips, bald, great taste. however, she was a bit of a dead fish. only one of the girls i had, the 19 year-old, did the bj, then bath, then sex routine. one girl looked as if she were half-white based on her features but she said that she was all thai. she gave the worst service and ended the session after the first round with almost an hour to go. she obviously got no tip. i didn’t make an issue of it because i was leaving that night to go home and i still had to go to nataree for a last session there.
the best soapie session i had was at la defense with #74 (i think). 1800 baht for two hours. bj, bath, sex, lots of passion (faked of course, but still nice). gave her 400 baht tip.
only had the time (and stamina) for four sideline girls at nataree, though there were at least 4 more that i would have liked to do. they run from 2000 baht to 3000 baht, though mostly about 2300 baht, and are young, cute, lots of fun and have bubbly personalities, although only adequate to good service. was able to joke with them a bit while i was deciding whom to choose.
the girls looked really cute in the soapie. however, i happened to see the first sideline girl i had there at a fruit stand near nataree on what was apparently her day off. at first i didn’t recognize her since she looked pretty plain and not anyone i would pay any attention to, let alone pay to have sex with. the make-up person at nataree does a hell of a job. probably true at the other places also.
my last session in bangkok was at nataree before i left for the airport. seated near the door (the 3000 baht ones sit near the door) was a beautiful girl i had not seen before. i asked her if she spoke english and she said yes. i said lets go, paid and went to the room. she was a student at a university studying computers. great body and face but no stamina, telling me i had broken her pussy because i took so long to come.
never found anyone worthwhile in the soi 7 beer garden or the nana plaza parking lot. went into a few bars in nana and soi cowboy but was not impressed enough with the talent to bother with negotiations, especially after afternoon sessions at catherines and evening sessions at nataree. relieved the late-night need with some sessions at [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s instead.
Jimmy Boy 99> Nice report, good to see someone who has done their homework and avoids the odd papasan rip off at the MP's, i'm a big favorite of Catherines, but as with anything, if you go there once a week for several months, the excitement fades and i was looking for somewhere else in the same area to try, after what you said about La Defense, it shall be my next visit.
Have any of you guys tried those pills supposed to dramatically increase the volume of your ejaculation.
If yes, do they really work and how long does it take before it works.
Anyone knows if and where they are available in Bangkok.
Thanks
I feel like I spent days in the airplane this time. Does it actually turn in to a longer flight the more you come? Plane touched down at 11:30 pm and then we took a tour of the tarmac for a half hour. Doesn't the air traffic controller know that the bars close at 1am? Oh, it's a conspiracy. By the time I got out of the airport it was 1am. Went to the taxi stand and got my cab, does anyone fall for the taxi hawkers inside, hope not. Went to the Majestic Grande, Majestic Suites couldn't take my last minute reservation but Anaan, the manager hooked me up with their other hotel the Grande for 2700 Baht, less than there quoted discout price. Not sure if they do this for everyone or due to my previous stays and making reservations for friends.
Majestic Grande is nice. Not the JW but a 4 star hotel. I've seen some complaints about the elevator and yes it's a little slow but chill, your in Bangkok. Pool is descent and the breakfast is good. There are a lot more families and couples than the Majestc Suites but that's too bad for them, Atleast someone is having fun there:).
Got out of the hotel at 1:30. Nana bars were shut down and in general the area seemed to be quieter than my previous trip this summer. Maybe the scene moved? Anyone else notice this? Went to Nana hotel and the disco was open until 3am. Some lookers there, a few, place was packed. Finally talked to a cute 20 year old right at 3am and the bar closed. She took me to Sin Bar around the corner but it was closed too, she seemed surprised. I tried to buy some beer, no one would sell. Someone told me it was a holiday, I don't know. The girl wanted to take me to another bar, or me take her I should say. I got the feeling I was gonna be dragged around and forced to spend money on her. I'm not cheap but I can have that in the states, it's called a girlfriend. I hadn't slept on the plane and didn't want to play games so I cut her loose and got some much needed rest. I feel bad for the girl I get tonight, gonna have to make up for lost time.
I have 1 more day here then off to Pattaya for a few. I'll stay in the area tonight but want to check out Patpong on my last few days. I stopped by last time for an hour or so and saw some good looking girls there but didn't really check it out, I keep hearing it's making a comeback.
Last note was this. I was just outside Nana disco (angels) and this guy, mid 30's early 40's talked with me. I'm here alone so I'm up for any conversation in english...usually. The guy started with the usual, where ya' from and so forth. When I asked how long he was here, I saw where it was going. He said he was trying to get out and that someone had pick-pocketed him and he had no money. He said he was looking for contributions for the airport tax to be able to go home. I've heard stories similair before and on an occasion I've given in. Maybe scammed but I think I'm a good judge of character and sh*t happens. This guy however, was practically waving red flags on his own. As soon as I heard his story, as he was hitting me up, I said sorry, I'm not down with that. He said, "what, not down with helping a fellow American who is in need?" I wanted to clock the guy! A true piece of Sh*t! The more I declined him, the more persistant with his story he got, slightly aggresive. He babbled away for a minute until the girl I met came along. She then said she saw the guy taking money or at least trying to take money from other people and creeped her and others out. When you see people with missing limbs politely begging for money and then this JackA** comes along with his guilt trip BS and lies...well hopefully karma will catch up to him. I have no doubt he was scamming. First of all, he was in the disco. Then, after I got rid of him, I bumped into him again in 7-11 where he was BUYING something, piece of crap. He was hitting someone up there too. Anyway he's a skinny, gangly looking guy with wavy hair and a pony tail. He's losing his hair in the front as well as losing whatever self respect and dignity he ever had. Be on the look out and tell him to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]-off. I wasn't blatant enough with my retort at the time. Next time I should bring some counterfiet money along for just such a scenario. Well that's all for now. Anyone want to grab a beer, PM me.
I've been of experimenting with internet connections the last couple of times I've come to the LOS with my laptop and have pretty much come to the conclusion that rather than relying on wi-fi connections in hotels or Starbucks I'm more comfortable using a gprs or EDGE card. A gprs card basically turns your laptop into a cellphone and you can get a connection anywhere.
I posted a little about this once before, but now I've got it more figured out and can report that it works great. I wouldn't recommend it for guys just staying a week or so, but if you're in BKK, Pattaya or wherever for a while or need to work odd hours and be mobile it beats the alternatives and is pretty cheap compared to having to use Starbuck's.
You need three things:
1.) An unlocked gprs or EDGE card. You can buy these at home for about $200.00 from a telecom, on eBay for a lot less, or Pantip for about 8,000 bht. I've used a Sierra Wireless 750 and a Sony Ericsson GC 83.
2.) An Thai internet connection like the 300 bht KSC prepaid ONECARD deal that you can get at 7/11.
3.) A pre or post paid cell phone account with a Thai telecom. I use DTAC and can top up with the cards at 7/11 or whatever.
Basically all you need to do is put the DTAC sim card into the gprs card, pop that into the slot in your laptop and wait few seconds for it to find a signal then log on to your isp account. In BKK and Pattaya the connection is almost as fast as as good wi-fi connection and in Chiang Rai I found it faster.
Its cool because it works everywhere your cell phone works and you don't need to be wired to anything. You wind up paying 1bht per minute for the DTAC connection and some miniscule amout per minute for the minutes on the prepaid internet account.
Like I said, its probably too much of a hassle if you're just staying short time, but its cool if need some mobility or are up north where anything but dial up is hard to find.
Cheers,
Sean
sean,
is the connection with the edge card fast speed and will this card work for a mac laptop?
thanks
juice
[QUOTE=Meaty]Jimmy Boy 99> Nice report, good to see someone who has done their homework and avoids the odd papasan rip off at the MP's, i'm a big favorite of Catherines, but as with anything, if you go there once a week for several months, the excitement fades and i was looking for somewhere else in the same area to try, after what you said about La Defense, it shall be my next visit.[/QUOTE]
Meaty - what's your take on Nataree? In the past, posts were pretty mixed but I've noticed recently some very positive FR. And they supposedly have 'university students' on part time basis? If you check it out, let us know or PM...might try next visit to LOS.
Boy99 - great FR and glad you stood your ground on prices. Catherine is 1500 for full two hours and 2 shots...pappasan just trying to screw you over.
[quote=juicespike]sean,
is the connection with the edge card fast speed and will this card work for a mac laptop?
thanks
juice[/quote]
juice,
thanks, yes edge is the fast speed. i've gotten the edge connection on dtac pretty much everywhere i've been except remote places in the north where i use the gprs connection. dtac said a couple of weeks ago that they'd have it everywhere in los by the end of the year, but who knows.
i use a pc, but i've read that they work just as well with a mac pc.
cheers,
sean
[quote=juicespike]sean,
is the connection with the edge card fast speed and will this card work for a mac laptop?
thanks
juice[/quote]
edge is considerable faster than gprs (the latter is like 14 kbps dial up modem, remember those days?). obviously wi-fi is much better but in a pinch, edge is good.
it will work on mac (luv it when i meet a fellow mac user), although i personally don't have experience - still use wi-fi as my mobile phone doesn't have either edge or bluetooth and my company pays for all internet when i travel. best bet is mobile phone that has both edge and bt (bluetooth) so no wires, etc.
a couple of sites that will give you more information and clearer instructions:
howardchui.com - sign up for forum, you'll see a bunch of forums that go into this.
apple.com > support > discussion - forums will also discuss this, do search for 'edge'
cnet.com - although that is usually more pc oriented.
traveler123..4,
Yeah, macs are special just like us... :D Thanks for the info, I will check it out.
Sean,
Thanks for the info.
juices
Appently there is a Thai National Holiday on Sunday, Feb. 12th.
Does any of the expats know, whether the bars, Nana, shops, weekend market, malls will be open?
juice,
all these cards and g3 phones are compatible with mac and pc. you might want to check out phones and cards that are compatible with gsm's system, which is different from edge - i use it and get speeds that are comparable to adsl.
the best card on the market at the mo is the merlin made by novatel but i am not sure that you would find it in los.
[url]http://www.novatelwireless.com/products/merlin/merlin-v620.html[/url]
you might also take a look at the nokia 6680, which uses a usb 2 data cable or the later model, 6682 which i have and also accepts phone calls while hooked up to the internet.this is a g3 phone which works on both fast hook ups. small concilation is that the data cable is included in the package.
if you would like even more sophisticated hook ups then you can pick up a bgan sat phone for the paltry sum of $650.- depending on where you buy it.
the phone is around $450.- in los but the card might be more.
cheers
... That what we are looking for on this site. Places, experiences, prices, comparison between girls, ... usefull information, not the common bullshit of many posts. A lesson for most of the members.
[QUOTE=Poupard2000]... That what we are looking for on this site. Places, experiences, prices, comparison between girls, ... usefull information, not the common bullshit of many posts. A lesson for most of the members.[/QUOTE]
A lesson for you to buddy boy.
Poupard,
Report something instead of bitching. This is the general section so anyone can post whatever: Edge cards, phone company, the airport, pills to increase jaculation, the demise of the white woman, the weather, the exchange rates, winglets, ac adaptors, atm spots, blow jobs hot spots, doctors, hospitals, dentists, shopping, BTS, bus fares, bars, gilrs, beers, gogos, pussy, thai culture, taxi fares, how to, how not to, sim cards, seven elevens, soi 11, soi 4, etc., and dumbasses like you...:D
Buzz,
Thanks for all the info.
juices
[QUOTE=Valevincent]Appently there is a Thai National Holiday on Sunday, Feb. 12th.
Does any of the expats know, whether the bars, Nana, shops, weekend market, malls will be open?[/QUOTE]Yeah, it is Mugha Bucha day, an important Buddhist holiday.
Shops and malls will be open as usual, but probably not the bars. Just plan ahead.
Think it falls on the 13th this year, as the 12th is a Sunday.
What about Chakri Day on April 6th? Is it business as usual. I’ve checked the forum around that time last year and there didn’t seem to be any interruption but since the topic of holidays was brought up, I thought I would ask.
Thanks,
Taz
Thai holidays posted by ***********!
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=420799#post420799[/url]
Ouch Freeler, I can’t believe you pulled the RTFF on me. I read that post before that’s how I already knew April 6th is Chakri day. Since it was asked about Mugha Bucha day I thought I would ask about Chakri day so I know what to expect when I’m there.
I stated that I read the forum last year around that time and didn’t see anything about bars being closed so I just wanted to double check.
[quote=buzz00]
all these cards and g3 phones are compatible with mac and pc. you might want to check out phones and cards that are compatible with gsm's system, which is different from edge - i use it and get speeds that are comparable to adsl.[quote]
yo buzz00,
i may be mistaken, but i think we are talking about the same thing.
edge is an acronym for "enhanced data rates for gsm evolution," the two edge cards that i have been using are complient with: gprs and edge, which is gsm.
i've found that the download speeds are comparable to the adsl speeds in the bkk internet shops, the upload speeds on the other hand vary and can be a bit slower.
there are newer, more tricked out cards that have just come out like the siera wireless 775 that is gprs, edge, hsdpa (read hutch in thailand), and doubles as a wi-fi card, but i've only seen a couple of these at pantip and were about 10,000 bht. the two that i field tested are cheaper, work well and can be picked up for about $50.00 on ebay. i'm interested in these cards because i sometimes work from thailand and need more mobility than a hotel or coffee shop wi-fi. i'm sure its not for everybody, but its nice to be able to take your laptop anywhere and after the outlay for the card its cheaper than about anything else.
cheers,
sean
Yo Taz,
Lemme put it this way: STOP worrying about these holidays.
I've seen bars closed during elections, royal birthdays, Buddha days and what not and it never stopped me from gettin' laid.
Thailand is Thailand and there will always be women!
Sean,
Edge where I use my machine is not compatible with my G3 phone...Orange uses a different set up but I can only assume that different countries and companies have different protocols.
And yes its great to have a card and get on-line from where ever. Whats good with the Nokia 6680 as I have said is that I can take a call while transmitting my material as sometimes need to co-ordinate with my connection in NYC during transmission.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=On The Go]I was asked by a co-worker who is traveling to Thailand and the Philippines with 5 friends next month a good question I do not have the answer for. One in the group has a bench warrant issued for him for a gross misdemeanor driving after cancellation here in the United States. His friends are not worried about him getting to Thailand, but when he clears US Customs on reentry into the United States, will he be arrested on this gross misdemeanor warrant?[/QUOTE]
Either way, tell him he'll be fine and with any luck he won't be.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Meaty - what's your take on Nataree? In the past, posts were pretty mixed but I've noticed recently some very positive FR. And they supposedly have 'university students' on part time basis? If you check it out, let us know or PM...might try next visit to LOS.[/QUOTE]
Never been ! It's one of the few, just never made it there, like you said, i've always read mixed reports, one guy loves it, another guy hates it, at the end of the day the outcome at an MP is going to be down to the girl chosen, a good gal yesterday, could be the worst girl today, i like to choose my MP by the place itself, clean, tidy, freindly, by the price, and by the quality of the room, the girl is the wildcard, you just never know.
When are you coming to town ?
[QUOTE=Goodfeller]. He said he was trying to get out and that someone had pick-pocketed him and he had no money. He said he was looking for contributions for the airport tax to be able to go home. [/QUOTE]
If there's one thing that totally riles me in Thailand it's these jerk offs, total scum, even if the story was true, i still disagree with this method, go to your embassy, call home and use Western Union, these tossers need to grow out of it, total losers. Second to this is the assholes that will approach you and ask for a ciggarette (blokes not girls) these guys are in bars/clubs/ restauraunts, drinking a beer, trying to pick up a BG and they don't have the few baht required for a fag ??? I always tell them to sod off, and because they are such losers, they always do. Last week was the first time in 6years that i was asked the 'cigarrette question' by a non Thai Asian, I think Singaporean, amazing, these people need to get a life.
[QUOTE=Meaty]Never been ! It's one of the few, just never made it there, like you said, i've always read mixed reports, one guy loves it, another guy hates it, at the end of the day the outcome at an MP is going to be down to the girl chosen, a good gal yesterday, could be the worst girl today, i like to choose my MP by the place itself, clean, tidy, freindly, by the price, and by the quality of the room, the girl is the wildcard, you just never know.
When are you coming to town ?[/QUOTE]
Not till after Lunar New year - will pm when I do.
Hey Guys,
Any recommendations for "upscale" clubs in BKK to pick up non-pros?
Like Brix in Singapore?
Thanks in advance
Great, now I'm getting PMs regarding who to vote for. What is this? The national election in Iraq?
Gentlemen, I have no interest in this stupid exercise. I think that the whole lot should go for starting this in the first place. Or they all can stay, if they can STFU.
I guess this must be a great thing for some people. Even Domino piped up coming out of his Van Winkle sleep.
Even though Havrum's tales of woes are laughable, I would prefer that over this flame war shit.
Let's start this New Year on a positive note. Bring on the FRs, the photos and the love sick tales.
All good fun on a quiet night.
Hi All,
Been to bangkok at the year end, well got to stay at a place called top inn
a decent place but a bit pricey about 1200 bht, went to the Y- not bar quite nearby and took a nice cutie for play. Was good in the sack.
Had a general check up at the Bumrungrad Hospital good service and reasonable
price, efficient staff too not to say cute ;-) recommendable
Have fun and be safe.
Cheers,
Boots
Hello,
I am heading to Bangkok in March, will be staying in Soi 22 for a week, then tour around Thailand.
Have any fellow members any good bars in Soi22?
Any advise would be helpful.
Try Queens Park Plaza across the street from the Queens Park Hotel. I don't know if you'll get a GFE or not as I've never taken a girl from there.
I do know a barfine will be involved which should cost the same as other BKK venues (Soi Cowboy or Nana). There are quite a few girls about so you should find something for takeout, plus there's plenty of oily MPs in the area.
Hotel 27 is across the street from the beer bars in a little soi and is a great place to take your selection. A room goes for 320 Baht for 24 hours and they have a/c, hot water, room service (very cheap prices), large beds, and towels and soap. I use this place many times when I take ladies that I have never taken before. It's a good idea not to take a girl to your apartment until you know her a little better. It's also a great place to use if you have a girl living with you, ecetera.
Here are a couple maps on the place.
poster
And, of course, once you hit Sukhumvit you're only a few minutes walk from the beer bars of Soi 23, the bars and agogos of Soi Cowboy which runs between Sois 21 and 23, and Soi 33's 'posh' bars (yikes! expensive). All are highlighted in green on Poster's attached map.
And you also have the bars in Washington Square, some skanky ones in these but who knows. There are entrances to the the square from Soi 22 and Sukhumvit by the Dubliner pub.
Also there is the pseudo trendy. Titanium on Soi 22. Some cute girls there in their Vietnamese style dresses, bra less, all girl band can be quite entertaining, at least they do not play Hotel California. Walk in freezer for vodka upstairs but relative to Cowboy and other bars on 22 expensive. A few expat wankers in there tho'.
Definitely can get GFE in Queens Plaza but finding a real cute one is not so easy. I like the bars at the back and the small ones on the right as you enter from 22.
Like someone else said all kinds of massage places too in close proximity...
The hotels are reasonably girl friendly although you should make sure that you book a double... the old Jade pavilion now Mercure gave me hassle a few times and the Regency can be difficult. Check the forum for more details.
Admiral Suites works well :-)
I stay on 22 all the time. Great spot for getting around and lots of options available.
Cheers
FK
I will be arriving at bkk Feb 12th at 00:05 AM. I will be flying down to Phuket around 11:00 AM that same day. I have heard the bars will be closed on the 12th and 13th due to the holiday.
Not the way I was expecting to start my holiday.
Can anyone confirm that the bars will be closed both days or just Monday the 13th?
Don't know where to post it but I think this General Thread might be appropriate.
[b]PM SHUTS DOWN MORE THAN 800,000 OBSCENE WEBSITES [/b]
Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has said that more than 800,000 websites deemed "inappropriate," will be shut down. He has warned website hosts not to allow any inappropriate messages or pictures to show on theirs websites.
The premier said that the bottom line is to eradicate obscene media which may mislead youths. He said that those who post inappropriate pictures or messages on the website will be seriosly punished.
He has assigned the Minister attached to the Prime Minister’s Office, Mr. NEWIN CHIDCHOB (เนวิน ชิดชอบ) and Metropolitan Police to strictly inspect websites.
Moreover, youth network can inform any details of inappropriate websites at thaicybercop.com or hotline No. 1111.
[i]Source: Thai National News Bureau Public Relations Department - 14 January 2006[/i]
Cheers
Tee Vee
DON MUANG
Air show rehearsal delays 40 flights
BOONSONG KOSITCHOTETHANA
About 40 international and domestic flights due for takeoff and landing at Bangkok International Airport were delayed by air force aircraft including F16 fighters rehearsing for an air show as part of Children's Day today. Commercial flights were delayed from 10am until late afternoon as the airspace and runways were partly closed for practice ahead of the air show, stranding hundreds of passengers at the airport, said aviation officials.
The rehearsal worsened the congestion at Don Muang which has already caused flights, especially at peak hours, to miss their schedules. The situation improved in the evening after the drill finished.
Yesterday's problems were so critical that the organising committee decided to cancel the air show today. However, the air force's aircraft will continue to be on show on the tarmac and other ground celebration activities remain unchanged.
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juice
So, how does one bypass such web-site blocking?
There must be some way round it. I don't look at porn much, but still want the option to. Plus, I kinda like ISG.
Perhaps us Thai residents will vanish soon.
I will always love and miss you all...
Check the new thread about proxy sites - there's a link on the main page.
Keef, you've nicely summed up this area.
I'm often on 22, but just like you say, the quality and quantity of girls is low.
Those dicks at Titanium [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off, would be loads better if it wasn't frequented by so many losers.
[quote=coma boy]so, how does one bypass such web-site blocking?
there must be some way round it. i don't look at porn much, but still want the option to. plus, i kinda like isg.
perhaps us thai residents will vanish soon.
i will always love and miss you all...[/quote]
coma,
don't worry, no need to leave us.
i usually use proxies, anomizers or the jap tool to surf anon. the latter might not be to your taste as it usually slows down speed dramatically and i know you are a heavy downloader. :)
big bro is always watching, no matter where you are and since the european parliament decided to track all your communication activities (phone, mail, internet ...) and store these infos for an extended period of time (the usa is doing it already for some time) it is even more important to do so.
they claim that they will need that info to find (potential) terrorists. what morons they are, not knowing what they talk about. seems they never heard of pgp or steganography. anybody who wants to hide something just needs to use these techniques or goes to the next internet cafe, as easy as that.
not enough that you got to strip (financially) when doing your tax clearance, now they can even create a profile of your movements in case you carry a cellphone with you. no need to call anybody, having it turned on is enough as it has to log into your provider's network. they also decided that your fingerprints will have to be stored on a rfid chip in your passport. easy to read out that info (e.g. standing in a few meters range from you at immigration) without you knowing. not much equipment needed for it and we will see how this info might be misused sooner or later.
the thai gov doesn't care about all that shit (so far) but wants to save your already rotten soul :d
so better take cover if you don't want them to have almost complete insight in your private life.
you can use so called "anomizer". here's a list of a few
the best anonymizers
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anonymization - free web anonymyzer. supports anonymous web surfing, anonymous web seek (meta search by many search engines) and ftp surf - surf anonymously in any ftp server. by using this web proxy you can surf anonymously more than 5.000.000.000 web pages.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.anonymization.net/[/url]
guardster - good anonymizer. controls cookies, scripts, ads, images and referrers.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.guardster.com/[/url]
proxyweb - good anonymizer, can delete java, javascript, cookies and activex. also this web proxy uses https (secure) connection - so nobody can detect what you download from internet.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.proxyweb.net/[/url]
webwarper - this is a popular free web anonymizer. this cgi proxy can pack web pages "on the fly".
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://webwarper.net/[/url]
megaproxy - free anonymizer can work with https sites.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.megaproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.amegaproxy.com/[/url]
w3privacy.com - free web based anonymizing proxy. instant access, no download, no registration, and no fee required.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.w3privacy.com/[/url]
anonymizer.ru - russian anonymizer: this russian cgi proxy has many additional options only after registration.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.anonymizer.ru/[/url]
the-cloak - this is a free cgi proxy. this anonymizer supports http, ftp and https sessions. can hide referrers. requires payment..
url (for chaining proxy):
[url]http://www.the-cloak.com/[/url]
pure privacy - cool anonymizer + remailer. you can use this anonymizer to send anonymous e-mails (by using this anonymizer with anonymous proxy)
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.pureprivacy.com/[/url]
proxify.com - good fast anonymizer that can remove cookies, ads, referrers and can use https connections.
url (for proxy chaining):
[url]http://proxify.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.urlencoded.com/[/url] - the better cgi proxy server. it has many different features, inclusive enabling / disabling cookies, all scripts, ad banners, referrer information, browser and os info and many more.
url (for cgi proxy chaining):
[url]http://www.urlencoded.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.snoopblocker.com/[/url] - good cgi proxy (anonymizer). it uses 128-bit ssl-encoding. can enable/lock java, javascript, cookies, activex.
url (for creating anonymizers chain):
[url]http://www.snoopblocker.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.strongproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.bigate.com/cgi-bin/bigate/b/k/k/[/url]
[url]http://www.userbeam.de/[/url]
[url]http://www.calcmaster.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.misterprivacy.com/begin_anonymous_surfing.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.myshield.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.idzap.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.safegatetech.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.breiter.ch/[/url]
[url]http://www.rrdb.org/rrdbproxy.php?l=en[/url]
[url]http://proxy.decodes.biz/[/url]
[url]http://proxy.mxds.ch/[/url]
[url]http://www.spondoo.com/[/url]
[url]http://search.sicomm.us/[/url]
[url]http://schnarre-monika.celebrityblog.net/cache.cgi[/url]
[url]http://filter2005.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.kproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.websitereactor.org/cgi-bin/001/nph-.pl[/url]
[url]http://www.goproxing.com/[/url]
[url]http://anonycat.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.spynot.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.merletn.org/anonymizer[/url]
[url]http://www.cgi-proxy.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxymouse.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.theunblocker.tk/[/url]
[url]http://www.betaproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.letsproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.freeproxysurf.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.mysticproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxywave.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.vtunnel.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.indianproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxysnail.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.freeproxy.ca/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxypi.com/[/url]
[url]http://basic.3proxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.tntproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.privatebrowsing.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.hackingtruths.org/proxy[/url]
[url]http://xanproxy.be/[/url]
[url]http://www.ipsecret.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxyanon.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.anonproxy.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxysafe.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxy-surf.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.boredatschool.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.ukproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.simpleproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.phproxy.org/[/url]
[url]http://surfonym.com/[/url]
[url]http://geoepker.hu/freeproxy/[/url]
[url]http://www.browseatwork.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.ipblocker.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.boredatwork.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.anonymousurfing.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.browsingwork.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.freeproxyserver.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.browseany.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.browsesecurely.com/[/url]
[url]http://ieproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.sneak3.po.gs/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxytastic.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.freewebproxy.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.thecgiproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.hide-me.be/[/url]
[url]http://www.anotherproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxy77.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.surf-anon.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.free-proxy.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.theproxysite.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxyify.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.concealme.com/[/url]
[url]http://browseschool.info/[/url]
[url]http://browsework.info/[/url]
[url]http://browsingschool.info/[/url]
[url]http://browsingwork.info/[/url]
[url]http://browsingschool.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxyindex.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxybrowsing.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.gobyproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxifyme.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxyghost.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.spysurfing.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.unblockthis.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxyserver7.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.daveproxy.co.uk/[/url]
[url]http://www.neoproxy.net/[/url]
[url]http://www.bypassbrowser.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.procksie.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.httproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.cgiproxy.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.silentsurf.com/cgi-bin/nph-index.cgi[/url]
[url]http://www.videoeditors.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxy-sock.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxygeek.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.datadefense.org/[/url]
[url]http://www.hideyour.info/[/url]
[url]http://www.proxycat.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.howto.pro/[/url]
[url]http://www.collegeproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.demonproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.satanproxy.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.hidingyou.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.intelliproxy.com/[/url]
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what the fuck is with this bullshit long report?
Red Cork,
the answer is in the post. Read a few lines or Coma's request for example.
And in case you have a prob with it, skip it. Hope you know how to scroll.
Coma, Poster and other Thai residents or anybody who wants/needs to hide his internet activities (e.g. at the office) might appreciate the given info.
Thanks dude, much appreciated.
Shinawatra can't stop me now!
Traveller - just a suggestion - why not post your comprehensive list on the new "proxy server" thread? Many members outside the Thai thread would find it useful.
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[url]http://www.brackenspub.com/beer.swf[/url]
Piper1,
thanks for the hint, I just did it.
Ralph Kramden,
that explains many of my observation and some posted pics :D
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Coma, Poster and other Thai residents or anybody who wants/needs to hide his internet activities (e.g. at the office) might appreciate the given info.[/QUOTE]
Traveler,
A question concerning my internet presence. I use a PCT phone for my net connection. A PCT is a hand phone that acts like a land line in that the phone number begins with 02. They're used in Bangkok only as far as I know.
Anyway.
My phone is unregistered and in fact there is no name at all attached to the account. I assume that means it's more or less impossible for any listerners to figure out who I actually am.
Is that a valid assumption?
poster
jury told how katherine was killed jan 14 2006
[url]http://icwales.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0200wales/tm_objectid=16584827&method=full&siteid=50082&headline=jury-told-how-katherine-was-killed--name_page.html#story_continue[/url]
the full, horrific story of how student katherine horton was raped and killed on a holiday paradise island emerged yesterday in a thai court.
just over a fortnight after her battered body was found off the coast of koh samui, two thai fishermen were led to jail - barefoot, manacled and handcuffed.
the pair walked smiling from court after the day-long hearing even though it now appears likely they will be executed for their heinous crimes when the court reconvenes on wednesday.
when asked why they raped and murdered 21-year-old katherine - who had flown to the island for two weeks of winter sun with her closest friend - wichai somkhaoyai and accomplice bualoi posit replied that they were drunk.
it was an account confirmed by the eight prosecution witnesses who were called to give evidence in this fast-tracked trial. one after another they spoke of how the two men, drunk and full of lust, had swum ashore at lamai beach with the sole purpose of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url].
the court heard how the pair had targeted katherine, a straight-a student who was preparing for her final months at reading university, as she spent the first day of 2006 surrounded by the palm trees and soft sand of koh samui.
the two men, wearing brown prison fatigues, said little in court yesterday, keeping their heads bowed as the prosecution witnesses testified against them.
their lawyer amarin nuimai - a court-appointed solicitor who has been paid the equivalent of less than £20 to defend the two - did not think it worth presenting them to testify on their own behalf and no defence witnesses were presented in court.
nor did either of the fishermen offer any apologies - for their behaviour, for their crimes or for katherine's grief-stricken family in cardiff.
the first witness, major general santan chaiyanont, deputy commissioner of the regional police covering southern thailand, described how katherine's body was found, with two large wounds to the front and back of her skull.
there were some 20 wounds found on her body in total.
he said katherine, a psychology student from thornhill, cardiff, was quickly identified with the help of her best friend and travelling companion, 21-year-old ruth adams.
the police were also able to quickly establish from an lg mobile phone, which had been handed in, that she had been on the phone to her mother at the time of the attack.
the major general said although a 'murder room' was set up on lamai beach, after katherine's body was found by a jet skier, a breakthrough in the case did not come until christopher and gill burrows, a couple from bedfordshire who found katherine's phone, flew back to koh samui to give evidence.
he said, 'they told us that they saw katherine talking on the phone that night and they also passed two thai men as they walked along the beach.
'on their way back at around 11pm they found the phone blinking by the water's edge.
'the couple heard what seemed like the sound of people having sex on the beach.
'mrs burrows said she heard what sounded like a woman shouting, 'i'm sinking. i'm sinking'.
'looking out to sea, they saw the boats of the fishing fleet moored there.'
police colonel preecha trimamontri, who ordered the fishing fleet to shore, said, 'two crew members, somporn sangtong and sama ae told police that bualoi and wichai had swam ashore on the night at about 9pm using plastic petrol cans for floats and they came back boasting about 40 minutes later.'
he said that when they arrested wichai and 23-year-old bualoi they took them to bangkok immediately and dna tested them. their dna matched sperm found in katherine's body.
police colonel preecha trimamontri described 24-year-old wichai as a man obsessed with sex and the size of his genitals and revealed that officers found pornographic dvds aboard his boat, which he and bualoi had watched before they attacked katherine on new year's day.
he said, 'they went ashore using the plastic petrol cans, when they got ashore a dog barked at them.
'they hid the cans and snapped an umbrella pole in half to hit the dog with. the dog had gone by then and when they saw katherine walking on the beach they decided to use them against her.
'bualoi grabbed her from behind and because she was big he fell down backwards with her on top of him.
'wichai then struck her on the head, but struck bualoi once during the attack. no blood was found on the beach.
'bualoi told us he felt sorry for the thai people and the family of katherine.'
fisherman sama ae told the court that he spoke to wichai when he returned to his boat at midnight.
he said, 'he told me he had killed a foreign girl. i said that's your business, i don't want trouble.'
but somporn sangtong, 51, another crew member, said, 'after we had sold our fish we anchored off lamai beach and relaxed. five of us were drinking whisky.
'around 7pm we finished our whisky and sat down to watch a porn movie. four of us watched it because don - a burmese guy - got too drunk and went to bed.'
he described how wichai and bualoi left after watching the film - he next saw them hanging their clothes up to dry.
he said, 'afterwards bualoi shouted, 'roi roi roi' [southern thai for 'aroi' meaning delicious]. i asked him where have you been?
'bualoi just said he'd had a delicious time. i told him he was drunk and should go to bed and he said mind your own business.
'i saw a bruise and swelling on his forehead and scratches on his shoulder.
'sama ae told me next morning that they'd raped and killed a foreign girl.'
samples were taken from katherine's body soon after it was found on january 2, and were immediately sent to bangkok where scientists were able to extract traces of dna.
they were later matched to samples taken from wichai and bualoi - there was only a six billion to one chance that the attackers were not wichai and bualoi, the court heard.
lt colonel watee asawutmagun, a thai police dna expert, said, 'the dna matches were seen at 16 different points on the charts. representatives from the british embassy were shown the matches.'
the trial was completed less than five days after wichai and bualoi were arrested for katherine's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and murder.
the case was expedited on the orders of thai prime minister thaksin shinawatra, who called for the 'hardest punishment' possible, saying the murder harmed thailand's image and could damage its tourism industry.
it emerged after yesterday's court hearing - mandatory in thailand for serious crimes even when defendants have pleaded guilty - that the investigation team had been given a £1,500 cash reward and had received congratulations from international police forces with a presence in the capital bangkok.
and the police are now probing a possible link between the two men and the unsolved [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of a british tourist on koh samui last october.
the startling speed at which katherine's murderers are brought to justice
december 27 - third-year university student katherine horton flies to thailand for a short backpacking holiday with friend ruth adams, to celebrate the new year, before she returns to the university of reading.
january 1 - katherine, 21, is last seen alive by her fried ruth, moments before speaking to her mother in wales on her mobile, while sitting on the beach near the new hut bungalow resort.
january 2 - a jet-skier finds katherine's body in the water off koh samui. local television shows her body, still wearing a dark green, single strapped dress with bruising visible on her left shoulder, on the beach. it is speculated that the psychology student was raped by her attacker before she was killed.
january 3 - a criminal investigation is officially launched in thailand as a post-mortem examination reveals that katherine was hit with a blunt object and dragged before drowning.
but thai police forensic scientist dr pattana kitkailart said it was not clear whether katherine had been raped.
katherine's father ian arranges to fly to thailand to witness the police investigation first hand. dyfed powys police, which is involved in the ongoing and initially bungled investigation into kirsty jones' murder in thailand confirms it is sharing its experiences of working with the thai authorities with south wales police.
january 4 - the police officer leading the investigation concedes that katherine probably was raped, amid concerns that the thai police are continuing to downplay the crime because of the possible loss of tourism.
a witness says four young thai men on motorcycles were seen near the scene around the time of katherine's death.
ruth adams, katherine's travelling companion, and her parents speak of their sense of loss.
village elders on koh samui are questioned by police about any suspicious behaviour among their young men.
january 5 - police officers arrest a man in connection with katherine's murder. officers from the royal thai police said more arrests would follow soon.
january 6 - police now believe katherine was raped by two thai men and dumped in the sea. despite reports that a thai national had been arrested police said this was not the case. forensic experts start examining the boat they suspect may have been used during the assault on katherine.
january 8 - police impound a fleet of seven boats that put out to sea the night katherine was killed.
january 9 - thai police charge a pair of local fishermen - wichai somkhaoyai, 24, and bualoi posit, 23 - after they confessed to killing katherine. their dna samples match those found on katherine's body.
january 10 - an angry mob attack wichai and bualoi and bring a planned reconstruction of the murder to a halt. hundreds of the resort's enraged residents break through security as police escorted the men back to the crime scene.
january 12 - an inquest is opened and adjourned into katherine's death, allowing her funeral to go ahead on tuesday.
in thailand wichai and bualoi admitted killing her in a late-night court hearing.
yesterday - a court hearing details exactly how katherine was killed. the judge adjourned the case and said he would deliver his decision on wednesday.
Poster,
that depends on how much effort any listeners will put into finding out.
First, it's easy to determine that you are a foreigner.
Second, it's obvious which nationality you have. You mentioned it and I guess most of your bank accounts are still in your homecountry. Don't forget, you access them via the internet.
Third, your email. You might have an anonymous mail account, but also one which you keep to stay in contact with family and friends. Personal details like names, phone numbers, addresses, birthdays and the like of you, your family members and friends might be available. Maybe your mail account is even registered on your name.
Fourth, you current position can be determined by an accuracy of 50 meters. So it's easy to create a profile of your movements.
Fifth, listening to your conversations by phone might provide some info when you will be at a certain place to meet friends and so on.
In short, the contents and destination of your (internet) communications are easy to log and provide sufficient info about you
All of that is enough to get you, but I doubt that anybody there takes all these efforts. Anyway, haven't seen any post of you that would justify any actions against you.
[b]may dent more than advertising spending[/b]
ad agencies, media companies and alcoholic beverage producers have cried foul over a new public health measure to ban the advertising of alcoholic beverages.
industry executives said the proposed law would have a sweeping impact on entertainment businesses and the economy well beyond the 2.6 billion baht spent each year on advertising alcohol.
public health minister phinij jarusombat on monday floated an idea to either curb tv slots for alcoholic beverage commercials to just three hours per day from seven now, or to prohibit advertising altogether.
commercials for beer, spirits and other drinks are permitted on tv only from 10 pm to 5 am. the new proposal would curb airtime to between 2 am and 5 am. a decision is expected within 45 days, with the general aim to curb **** drinking and drunk driving.
the debate over advertising alcohol comes amid a massive public campaign against plans by thai beverage, the largest producer of alcoholic beverages in the country, to list on the stock exchange of thailand.
securities regulators earlier this week said they would delay any review of thaibev's listing plan until a new law is passed to regulate the sales and marketing of alcoholic beverages. thaibev produces market leaders chang beer, mekhong rum and dozens of other spirits.
kasemsant veerakun, a spokesman for thai beverage, expressed concern about the impact of tighter ad controls.
"we accept that controls will happen, even though they will affect sales, so long as they are applied equally to all," he said. "but such controls will affect other industries, including entertainment and media companies."
mr kasemsant said there were a number of laws that already existed to control alcohol sales, but they were undermined by poor enforcement.
a blanket law would impede the introduction of new brands, he added, and suggested that authorities look to other countries over how they used public education campaigns to curb consumption.
chaipranin visudhipol, the president of the advertising association of thailand and chairman of the agency tbwa/thailand co, agreed that an ad ban would hurt the growth of the market.
both chang and singha beers, the two largest brands in the market, would face obstacles in expanding locally through new brands, which in turn could hurt efforts to grow overseas, he said.
the proposed restrictions also conflicted with the government's policy to encourage free trade.
"personally, i think the government has its reasons and will be methodical before making a decision. any move will have to consider both the social and economic impact," mr chaipranin said.
according to nielsen media research, alcoholic product ad spending totalled 2.6 billion baht in 2005, up from 2.2 billion the previous year. alcoholic beverage ads accounted for 2.9% of all media spending.
tv commercials accounted for 65% of total spending by alcoholic beverage producers at 1.7 billion baht last year, followed by 382 million spent on newspaper ads, 249 million on cinema ads and the rest on outdoor, radio and magazine ads.
niwattumrong boonsonpaisan, the executive chairman of the television station itv plc, said the channel would be only slightly affected by any curb on ads.
at major cineplex, the country's largest cinema chain, executive chairman vicha poolvaraluck shared similar sentiments.
"but of course, it's certainly better if the public health ministry decided to be kind enough to spare us," mr vicha added.
for major cineplex, ads accounted for just 8% of the company's total annual revenues of four billion baht per year.
sasikorn chansate, managing director of kantana group plc, a major tv producer, said advertising restrictions would affect some popular television shows that are currently sponsored by alcoholic beverage companies.
"i think the government is addressing the problem in the wrong way," ms sasikorn said.
"better enforcement of existing laws would be better, as well as more education campaigns among the public about the dangers of excessive drinking."
[i]source: bangkok post 18 january 2006[/i]
cheers
tee vee
[i]Victim sues three Thais after being lured and forced to work at Japanese brothel. A terminal-stage cancer patient yesterday filed a Bt4.68-million compensation lawsuit against three convicted human traffickers who lured her to a brothel in Japan where she was forced into prostitution. [/i]
Urairat Soimee, 38, said the forced sexual services also left her with ovarian cancer.
“I hope I still have enough time to complete this court battle,” Urairat said after she lodged the lawsuit with Lom Sak Provincial Court.
Reflecting her fear that she might not make it, Urairat has already appointed her adoptive mother to take charge if she passes away before the completion of her case.
Some doctors have said that Urairat only has a few months to live.
“I will fight until my last breath,” Urairat said.
To her, money is not the goal. She just hopes she can set a precedent that human traffickers must face not just criminal conviction, but also civil prosecution.
Urairat’s case is the country’s first civil lawsuit against human traffickers.
In her affidavit, Urairat named Sarit Kampa, his wife Kai Kampa and their grown-up daughter Pattama Kosaka as defendants.
The Criminal Court previously convicted Sarit, Kai and Pattama of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] after another Thai woman complained that they also lured her to Japan where she was forced to work as a prostitute. Urairat was listed as one of the plaintiffs in that case.
Sarit and Kai are appealing the guilty verdict. Pattama, who married a Japanese man, did not protest.
According to Urairat, the defendants offered to hire her as a waitress at a restaurant in Japan. However, she was sent to a brothel where she was told to provide sexual services and repay the brothel operator Bt1 million.
After working for a period of time, Urairat tried to escape. During the attempt, Urairat, with the help of a Thai man accidentally killed a “mama san”. She was arrested and a Japanese court sentenced her to seven years in prison.
After five years she was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, at which time she was released and allowed to return to Thailand. At that time, the Japanese authorities were informed of how Urairat was tricked into the flesh trade.
Lom Sak Provincial Court’s chief justice Pussanai Piphukkul said his court would expedite Urairat’s case, but the trial time would depend on when the Criminal Court could close its case.
“The Criminal Court’s verdict counts in civil cases,” Pussanai said.
Urairat’s lawyer Siriwan Wongkiatpaisan, who works for Fight Against Child Exploitation (FACE), said Urairat’s civil lawsuit would let other victims know that they were entitled to seek compensation.
Anyone wanting to offer assistance to Urairat can do so via FACE.
[i]Source: The Nation 18 January 2006[/i]
Cheers
Tee Vee
"Alcohol advertising to be banned
The public health ministry has rejected a recommendation to limit the hours for advertising alcohol on television, and will ban all advertising for alcoholic drinks, all the time, in all media. The laws are expected to be announced in March.
Public Health Minister Pinit Jarusombat said this morning that a meeting of the Alcoholic Consumption Control Board has deliberated the draft legislation controlling alcoholic beverages and a law banning advertising alcoholic beverages in all media. He said that the advertising time has been proposed to change from 10 p.m. to 5 a.m. to 2-to-5 a.m.
In the end, the minister told Radio Thailand, the committee decided to ban all advertisements of the products on television, on all radio stations and in all print media.
Mr. Pinit said that a sub-committee has been set up to draft the law, adding that it should not take longer than 30-45 days and can be announced without cabinet approval.
The draft legislation will also cover the distribution of alcoholic beverages, making the minimum age of alcoholic buyers from 18 to 21 years old.
In related news, protesters at the Securities and Exchange Commission have vowed to continue demonstrations against the approval of a Singapore stock market listing for bear and liquor giant Thai Beverage."
My Source: Another Thailand Forum, they quoted no Source.
cross-post (since BKK is mentioned) - part of a another, but relevant, discussion
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... Compulsive flamers/internet bullies are a funny breed. I've mentioned before, and most people would know from their own experience, that these guys tend to compensate for their physical, social or emotional inadequacies by internet bullying. I'd bet if you met someone like this they would be completely different in real life.
In Dubai, I think I've met six members over four years. All nice guys except five of them. ;) Ironically, in my first two hours in Bangkok, I met seven BKK members in two different bars. Including one who has been banned for over-the-top flaming, and two who post absolutely wild kick-ass "Don Juan-meets Anjelina Jolie on heat" adventures. You just wouldn't pick the guys. All normal looking and acting, and probably very different from the image we build up from their posts.
British defence attache in Thailand accused of going berserk
He is accused of going berserk during a flight, grabbing a mother and toddler, raging against passengers and cabin crew and spewing profanities.
Yet, Britain's defence attache in Thailand claims he has no recollection of the incident.
Colonel Peter Roberts, 51, told a London court yesterday that he was shocked by the allegations.
He is charged with being drunk and disorderly on a flight from Abu Dhabi to London on Feb 17 last year.
Prosecutors say that the colonel was finally overpowered by passengers and crew who bound his hands and feet with plastic ties until the flight landed and he was arrested.
TOLD TO MOVE
Flight attendant Roseanne Montero told the Isleworth Crown Court in west London that Roberts 'went mad' after she asked him to move from a seat reserved for cabin crew.
'I saw him trying to grab a woman with a small boy about 2 years old and the woman and the small boy looked terrified,' she testified.
When another crew member intervened, Roberts allegedly retorted: 'Do you know who I am? I'm the head of the British government in Thailand and you're treating me like this.'
Roberts then allegedly launched into a tirade against Thailand, its king and Buddha, and threatened to kill crew and passengers who finally restrained him.
'I can't offer any explanation for this at all, I'm absolutely shocked, I honestly don't remember any of that at all,' Roberts told the court yesterday.
'Thailand is my job. I think the king is fantastic. The religion... I just can't understand how I would say things like that.'
Roberts, who apologised profusely in court, said he took a dose of a prescribed anti-depressant, which is not supposed to be consumed with alcohol. He said he had been prescribed the drug, but his dose was doubled after the tsunami due to stress.
Prosecutors said Roberts had apparently drunk up to four whiskies, three airline-size bottles of wine and three glasses of port before the incident.
The Guardian newspaper reported that he had also been drinking wine on his connecting flight from Bangkok to Abu Dhabi and whisky at the airport during the stopover.
The paper also reported that Roberts had broken through three pairs of plastic handcuff straps in a blinding rage before cabin crew and passengers managed to bind his hands and feet with multiple straps.
'He made several threats to kill the people trying to restrain him. It took five people at one stage,' passenger Anil Mohun Kumar told the court.?- AP.
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juice
Juice,
hmm, sounds a bit like Domino :D
Juice,
I ALWAYS get drunk on long-haul flights. It's the key to a pleasant journey in such a confined space, for me.
What that prick Roberts fails to comprehend (along with so many others) is that when one gets drunk, one does not turn into Superman on steroids. Stay polite, Peter, stay polite.
A double scotch and an antihistamine and I sleep for 8 hours. Eat? Huh? Go-way. bai na krup
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Roberts then allegedly launched into a tirade against Thailand, its king and Buddha, and threatened to kill crew and passengers who finally restrained him.[/quote]
An interesting thought provoking report. It's brings to mind the many descriptions of Pattaya I've read on this board. Here's a couple of blasts from the past:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=352398&postcount=164[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=352271&postcount=159[/url]
It just goes to show you that you can take the hooligan out of Pattaya but you can't take the hooligan out of the man. :)
poster
P.S. This is an example of an informative post. For the most part Thailand is not a dangerous place, but it pays to know the relatively few dangers that do exist and that is the information to be gleaned from this post. ;)
I bet he gets a not guilty!
SINGAPORE (Reuters) - A Thai prostitute escaped caning for drug dealing in Singapore after a doctor established that the accused, who was identified in a passport as a man, had undergone a sex change, the Straits Times reported on Friday.
Singapore's drug laws, which include the death penalty for possession of certain amounts of drugs, provide for different punishments for males and females.
While male offenders can be punished with up to 15 strokes of the rattan cane for drug-related offences, female offenders are exempt from caning.
The Straits Times said Mongkon Pusuwan's fate had been uncertain for weeks while the court waited for a medical report, which ultimately confirmed that the 37-year-old was a woman following a sex change operation undergone 10 years ago.
The Thai national was arrested close to the city-state's upscale Orchard Road shopping district last December and charged with trafficking 1.52 grammes of cocaine and 2.5 grammes of ketamine
I was walking down Sukhumvit with my girl (picked up from a high end bar) and a farang guy tried to get a feel of her as he walked past. How trashy is that ?
Ever since I went to Thailand over 10 years ago, I have seen the BKK scene degenerate into a low class trash hangout. I am going to avoid Suk on my next trip and stay elsewhere.
Drinking alcohol on long flights is not a real good idea. Cabin humidity in a commercial aircraft runs at 2 - 3%. This alone can dehydrate you and alcohol also dehydrates your body. The best thing you can do to insure that you arrive feeling good is drink atleast 1 glass of water per hour on long flights. After water the next best thing is non-carbonated fruit juices. Avoid coffee & tea as well.
I received this information from a Delta Airlines captain. Many people think they have jet lag but are actually just dehydrated. I have tried this on a number of long flights and it makes a big difference in how I feel on arrival after 12 to 17 hours in the air on long non-stop flights.
[QUOTE=Capt JB]Drinking alcohol on long flights is not a real good idea. Cabin humidity in a commercial aircraft runs at 2 - 3%. This alone can dehydrate you and alcohol also dehydrates your body. The best thing you can do to insure that you arrive feeling good is drink atleast 1 glass of water per hour on long flights. After water the next best thing is non-carbonated fruit juices. Avoid coffee & tea as well.
I received this information from a Delta Airlines captain. Many people think they have jet lag but are actually just dehydrated. I have tried this on a number of long flights and it makes a big difference in how I feel on arrival after 12 to 17 hours in the air on long non-stop flights.[/QUOTE]
Yo Capitan JB,
You are right, its not good to drink on a long flight. Its also good to get up and walk around as much as you can.
That said, its also true that many people have a visceral fear of flying for a number of very good reasons, one of which is the vision of a suddenly unpressurized free fall death spiral. Being a little dehydrated is usually the least of the concerns of many fliers.
The deal with Peter Roberts probably had more to do with going home to his battle axe wife or leaving his nice life in LOS than just drinking too much or taking anti depressents. His tsunami-shock defense smacks a lot of a "twinkie" defense. Maybe everyone around Phuket who really went through the tsunami should get a pass to run amok as well.
From what I've heard about the Brit embassy in BKK I'm thinking that they should string him up or send him back to Thailand to answer for his remarks about Buddha and the king.
Back to the point (if there is one) I'm gonna keep drinking.
Cheers,
Sean
Drunken Swede went Berserk on Flight to Thailand
A 44 year-old Swedish man reeked havoc onboard a Thai Airways flight carrying over 400 passengers, forcing the plane to turn back to Stockholm.
By T. B.
Not long after take-off in Arlanda airport in Stockholm, a heavily intoxicated Swedish man created chaos in the air by hitting and kicking everyone around him. Eye-witnesses report that the half-naked but fully drunken Swede attempted to get into fights with anyone nearest to him, until the crew members and fellow passengers managed to hand-cuff him to a seat. The jumbo jet carried more than 400 passengers – many of them Norwegians on their way to spend some vacation time in Thailand. But the captain of the Thai Airways flight discerned that the drunken Swede – even after being hand-cuffed – was jeopardizing the safety of the passengers, and thus he decided to turn the plane around and fly back to Stockholm after one hour’s flight.
Heavy Hangovers
Today, the man wakes up heavily hung over – both physically and soon-to-be financially. According to the Swedish media, the 44 year-old man can expect a demand for compensation of more than one million Swedish Kroner, should the Thai authorities choose to file a civil lawsuit against him. In addition to this, he will know that he caused a minor environmental catastrophe, since the captain of the plane had to empty 60 ton of fuel in the ocean north of the island of Gotland in order to follow the safety regulations for landing in Arlanda airport. On top of this, the man managed to wreck the beginning of more than 400 people’s vacation, since the plane eventually got back on its wings with a total delay of over five hours.
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juices :D
[url]http://blog.outer-court.com/prejudice/[/url]
Will the bars & clubs be closed on Makha Bucha Day, Feb 12th.?
“Mai mai mai mai”. In Thai, intoned correctly, it means: ”new wood burns, doesn’t it?” Because of this phrase, I have long wondered how it could be possible to master Thai. More likely, it is Thai which has mastered me. On this trip, it had a new meaning, for all the girls would be called Mai.
Like many, I have visited this beautiful land for it’s food, it’s culture, it’s weather, it’s smiling people, but mainly for it’s beautiful, and available girls. Over the years, I have found loving girlfriends in university uniforms, bargirls who I fell for, and who feigned to fall for me, even the odd ladyboy, prettier than the prettiest girl. I have had 2 Thai girlfriends over the years, neither over 22, and I’m over 40. They doted on me as I salivated over them. I’ve had lascivious blowjobs in bars specifically designed for that purpose, taken red hot vixens and innocent lambs, both from gogo bars, spent 90 mins, many times, with 2 no-holds-barred, and no holes barred girls from Eden Club, picked up freelancers from Thermae, from the street, from bars. I’ve met girls, eating a meal after they finished work….just joined them for a snack and taken them home, so many times that I nearly began to believe that they were all there just for my plucking.
This trip started the same as ever. My flight arrived at 10.20pm. By 10.45 I was in a cab, having changed money. By 11.15, luggage arrived to my room. At 11.30 I was in a cab and by 11.43 I was in lovely Mai, filling her mouth at my favourite BJ bar. Cool…a new record, I thought. Less than an hour from arriving to coming! After a stroll along soi Cowboy, I settled into a bar quickly for a quick Krating Daeng and found my angel for the night. Her name was Mai, too. She stayed long time and I loved her that night.
In the morning, I was off to Chiang Mai to start a 4 day tour…lots of fun, and very interesting, but that’s another story. I spent the afternoon at Sayuri, a body massage place where my 3rd angel, another Mai, ministered to me. It was Chinese New Year and the locals and tourists alike enjoyed the festive atmosphere in the streets. After seeing the sights, I fell in love with a very young girl from a bar beer. She ground herself into me, making me hard, then teasing me and put my hand between her legs, but when I asked her to come with me, she refused, saying it was too early to leave work and that mamasan would be upset….hmmmm. I should have gone back. I wandered around for another 90 mins, stopping at each bar and gogo, but I only had eyes for my newest angel. She spurned me again as I made the next round past the bars and I ended up with a sexy siren from Star Six gogo…who promised me “suck and fuck” and delivered, too. That made it 4 in 24 hours. After all, I was going on a tour and would not likely get lucky for a few days. Not just 4 girls, but 4 girls named Mai…could this just be a coincidence?
After 2 nights in the jungle, our raft arrived to the Dusit Resort in Chiang Rai, a welcoming oasis. I finished some work and was taken for a foot massage. It was great, and she offered an oil massage afterwards, but I had my mind elsewhere. It had started raining and I had no map. It would be difficult to find the nightlife here, if there was any. Common sense always tells me to ignore the tuk-tuk drivers, but I had not found any nightlife and his offer of 700 ST sounded good. He took me through the dark backstreets. In a small, low ceilinged room, were 4 nasty looking men. I feared for my wallet, if not my safety. But they only wanted a customer. There were also a dozen lovely girls. I chose the loveliest, and her name was Mai. One of the men wanted 50bt for condoms, one wanted 700 for the girl, the tuktuk driver wanted 50bt for driving (I wonder what the real price would have been, had he not taken me there). He took us to a “bungalow”, a short time room with cold shower and fan, no air-con. That cost another 60bt for the hour. Mai did as little as she had to. When I asked if she smoked,. She looked at me, shocked, and answered, dead serious and with a little disgust, “This not Chiang Mai!” Afterwards, she and the driver took me back to the markets.
I kept walking in the drizzling rain, and happened across a few bars, then a lane with gogos. The first one, maybe Snake?, had a lovely welcome-girl, but she spoke no English, so I moved on. In the Lobo bar, mainly for Germans, I was told, I met, Mai no.6. She was again, the loveliest girl there, small, young, cute face, great smile, spoke English, too. I could hardly bear to watch the lone dancer. I bought Mai a Spy and let her tell me all about her life. She said she was 19, but she was not. She had a boyfriend, lived with him. She was studying in Chiang Rai and working nights to support them both. Her mother had thrown her out for having a boyfriend. I lamented to her that she had a boyfriend, surely she would not stay with a customer? She said “No”. I was sad. I was sad because I liked her, and sad because she was the best one I had met, and I wanted her. I told her how beautiful and sexy she looked, and then she said, “I go with you, but come back before 1.00am” I’m sure her boyfriend loved her, but that night, I loved her, too. We went to the same bungalow as I had with the ST girl. This time, I chose the hot water and air con for an extra 40bt. We had such fun that the manager had to ring us a few times before we would leave. It was raining so heavily that all the tuktuks had gone home for the night. We walked, hand in hand, in the rain, squeezed under a tiny umbrella. In the end, a kind restaurateur, took pity on us, and drove us home in his own car. He refused any payment. I love this country.
Next night was Bangkok again. I was on my way down to see my lovely girl from Rainbow 1 but was dragged into Obsession for the first time. With some exceptions, these were spectacular girls. Too bad they were not born that way. I’ll leave you to wonder what happened that night, because there were none named Mai.
On the 7th night, I had arranged to meet a chatroom buddy. She was 7 days short of her 19th birthday and I thought we would chat a few hours, have dinner, and after she went home, I would go on the prowl. Emma is a precocious little lady ( her family actually calls her Mai). I thought she was bored. In fact, she was getting pissed off that it took me so long to get her into bed. She left at 6am so her family wouldn’t be too upset when they woke.
Another day in BKK, I met another chat buddy (no Mai, this time) who was definitely just a friend. We went shopping, had lunch, looked around, and relaxed at my hotel for a while. When my friend John called to arrange dinner, she got upset. “Why are you upset?” “I want to spend the night with you.” “I didn’t think you wanted that.” “What made you think I didn’t want that? Didn’t I hint enough?” I guess I have much to learn from these young girls. I sent her home, as I did want to meet John, but invited her to Pattaya for a night. I asked her to return at 9.00am tomorrow.
Fun night out with the boys was followed by a stroll, alone, along Sukhumvit after closing time. I bumped into my favourite Rainbow girl, chatting to a cop on the street. I hung around but did not approach. She came to me. I hadn’t seen her for a year and a half, when she took me with a few of her colleagues, to an Isaan Morlam club. She was back at Rainbow. The cop was her ex BF(he butterfly), and the father of her 8 month old son. She seemed sad. I asked her out for a drink. She tried to arrange someone to look after her boy, but no one volunteered, so we agreed to meet next time. I already have received an email from her as I write this. I wonder when the first request for money will come. This night I was too lucky. I ended up with a freelancer, 21, standing on the street near Suk/soi Nana. She had those beautiful almond shaped eyes. She was stunning. She was from Buri Ram. I decided to go to Buri Ram on my next visit. All the Buri Ram girls I meet are beautiful.
My tilac showed up at 9.00am. We had breakfast and waited for the car to pick us up and take us to Pattaya. She had me twice before we left the room. In the evening, she wanted me to take her to a gogo, so we went to my favourite, Superbaby. The lesbo show girls teased her by putting their naked bums in her face. When we got home, she teased me. She had me 2 or 3 times more. I had to beg her to stop. I couldn’t go another time. She told me she liked it 10 times in a day. Hmmmm. Tomorrow I’ll have to buy a vitamin pill!
She woke me early. I wasn’t allowed breakfast until we had gone twice more…to make up for last night. As she had to go back to BKK this evening-she had already taken one day off work- she asked if we could stay in the room all day. What a machine! And, no, do not ask her name. I dropped her at the bus station . She cried. I hugged and kissed her. She got on the bus. She will miss me. I will miss her. I told the song-thaew driver to take me to Walking St. When I arrived back to the room with tonight’s angel, there were already 2 messages from my voracious girl…she called from the bus. Luckily, I sleep with the phone unplugged – my only excuse for not answering the phone. I really needed some sleep so I let tonight’s bar beer angel go early. She was pleased, and so was I.
My last night in Thailand. It has changed me too mut. I walked to many discos, bars, gogos, saw girls on the street, everywhere, but it was my last night. I wanted a special experience. I went into this bar, for the first time. Some lovely dancers, some lovely service girls. I bought a drink for the sexiest dancer. Tall, blonde, from Chiang Mai. I wanted her until we spoke, she was a showgirl -600bt barfine- but she looked spectacular. I was having reservations when a Japanese guy walked in, straight up to us…we were holding hands. He barfined her right out of my grasp. Mai pen rai.
The cutest girl left in the place was, of course, Mai. She was a service girl. She came to me, and smiled so sexily, tilting her head. I bought her a drink, then she butterflied her way around the bar. Every man wanted her. She had something, an aura of naughtiness. She was my special girl for my last night, or so I thought.
I went for a final walk around, having promised to return to the bar. When I came back, I was welcomed, and bought more drinks. Mai was with a customer, then another, then another. I got friendly with a couple of the girls to find out what was happening. She was the prettiest girl in the place and so many men were interested, but none had taken her yet.
Reception girl explained to me that Mai is a virgin and she wants to sell herself for 30000bt. I wanted her so badly, but I didn’t want a virgin, and I wouldn’t pay the fee. I wanted to hold her, not hurt her, and I didn’t want to be her first.
After a few minutes I saw her with an ugly old toad of a man. I am not one with a great imagination- he actually looked like a disgusting, and old, toad. He had paid the barfine and wanted his money’s worth. Every time he tried to kiss her, she seemed to be in pain. When he touched her breast through her shirt, she shrivelled away from him. Mai did not want to lose her virginity to this man. Many of the girls in the bar were discussing this event. I discussed it , too. We could not let this pig take her. The bar was closing but I would not leave until he left, without Mai. I wanted to tell him how revolted Mai was by him, how revolted I was by him. Over 30 minutes he tried to convince her, tears on her cheeks but she kept her resolve. I stood by, waiting. Finally, they came outside, she told him she was sick, and walked away. I was jubilant.
I walked with the reception girl, 2 service girls, and Mai, ending up in a bar where I bought them drinks. Mai was holding my hand, smiling at me. The others had told her of my gallantry, that I had been worried about her, not prepared to leave her in trouble. She seemed truly grateful, and held me tight, on the street and in the bar.
By 4.00am I was tired and said I would go. Mai seemed to want to go with me, so I asked. The reception girl seemed to get mad with her. I said I just wanted to be with her, not to take her virginity. She didn’t want to go. That’s why the girl was mad at her.
I had been in turmoil watching Mai seemingly scared to death of that disgusting toad. This was enough to nearly end my regular trips to Thailand. After much translation, it turned out that Mai would not come with me because she did want someone to take her virginity, not to protect her. She also wanted to get 30000bt for it. I have so much to learn.
I took their photo to remember them and I may visit them again, those girls who taught me that my reality was not the only one.
Mai mai mai mai – new wood burns, doesn’t it? Mai, Mai, Mai, Mai – 4 lovely Thai angels who let me love them and learn from them. My, my, my, my – I may never learn to speak Thai but I have learned many things from many Mais.
Capt JB,
Perhaps.
Perhaps from the night before 6 pm til feb 12, midnight.
Perhaps not.
Bar owners usually get official notice on the day of closing.
You won't know for sure until such a notice has been handed over.
That's the way it goes. Mai pen rai.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Drunken Swede went Berserk on Flight to Thailand
A 44 year-old Swedish man reeked havoc onboard a Thai Airways flight carrying over 400 passengers, forcing the plane to turn back to Stockholm.
[/QUOTE]
CrazySwede - that was a silly thing do do! When you get out of the cell and onto the next flight to BKK, wait until arrival to go crazy. ;)
[QUOTE=Capt JB]Will the bars & clubs be closed on Makha Bucha Day, Feb 12th.?[/QUOTE]I was there last year and all the bars and MP's are closed. It definitely was strange to see Nana with no lights and also nothing open along Ratchada area. I think some of the oil MP's might be open but I didn't check. However, I ended up picking up a freelancer at Siam Hotel. Also there still are a few girls on Sukumvit but not many.
BANGKOK, Jan. 25 (Xinhuanet) -- Thailand has been named as the World Best Tourist Country in the 2005 Grand Travel Award held in Norway early this month, the Thai News Agency said on Wednesday.
It is the third consecutive year Thailand won the award with Greece and Italy coming second and third.
Chitriya Pinthong, Thai Ambassador to Norway, and Nattheera Kachornserilikitkul, Director of the Tourism Authority of Thailand' s Stockholm Office in Sweden, represented Thailand at the annual award presentation ceremony.
The accolade was granted to Thailand under the deliberation and decision by the Travel Trade Jury and 300 tour companies in Norway.
It shows tourists remain impressed by the friendliness of Thai people, as well as natural beauties and charms of Thailand's tourist sites although the country experienced a great loss from the tsunami disaster in late December 2004, the official News Agency said. Enditem
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juices
Richard, you missed the fifth MAI.
New wood does NOT burn.
Oh, and Chinese New Year hasn't arrived yet, not sure what it was you witnessed.
[QUOTE=Horntoad]I was there last year and all the bars and MP's are closed. It definitely was strange to see Nana with no lights and also nothing open along Ratchada area. I think some of the oil MP's might be open but I didn't check. However, I ended up picking up a freelancer at Siam Hotel. Also there still are a few girls on Sukumvit but not many.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Horntoad & Freeler. I will make sure I have a long term lady in my employment to cover that period.
I will probably be in Pattaya by then but will make sure I have all I need in case everything shuts down.
Coma,
let's not forget SILK (pa mai).
Same story with Kao or Khao (rice, white, hill, to enter ...) and many other words.
Yeah, I mean the "mai mai mai mai mai" phrase has five "mais".
Richard missed one and I worried he was going to freeze in a forest trying to ignite new wood.
"The white journalist eats rice and enters the mountain".
Such a strange language, but I guess English is even harder.
Actually, I wrote this after an experience in Feb 03 but just recently decided to share it. I guess I expected a few comments but not a Thai lesson. Be nice to the new boy!
Regards,
Sorry man, bad news for you...
[url]http://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory?id=1543586[/url]
juices
It is worthwhile to check their teeth before asking for a blow job! Ouch
Shit!
That's the worst news ever...
Coma, :D
good sense of humor.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Coma, :D
good sense of humor.[/QUOTE]No, it really is bad news for me. Am impressed that Juice remembered. He's a clever clever guy.
I really like girls with braces, bruised knees, shaven pussies, sweat on upper-lip, and goose-bumps on upper-arm.
Strange but true.
Coma,
I thought is was an odd thing to ban a fad but they have their reasons. Then I remember your fixation with braces and thought that you might object to the ban...
What's with the bruised knees thing? Is that a fad in Thailand too or just motor bikes accidents dents... This one I don't get...:D
juices
The U.S. Embassy in Thailand on Thursday warned American citizens to stay away from an anti-government rally planned Saturday in Bangkok for fear of violence.
Public Announcement from U.S. Embassy Bangkok
Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2006 10:34:52 +0700[/b]
Attention American Citizens:
The Royal Thai Police (RTP) authorities have confirmed that a
large demonstration is expected to occur in the area of the King Rama 5
statue, Rajdamneon Avenue, near Sanam Luang and Government House in
Bangkok on Saturday, February 4. Police estimate up to 100,000 people
will gather in an anti-Thai Prime Minister Thaksin demonstration headed
by Sonthi Limthongkul, a prominent Thai government critic. The crowd
will include several diverse groups of demonstrators and is expected to
start assembling in the morning with no announced starting or ending
times. Organizers have not indicated a marching route, should they
leave the area.
Bangkok demonstrations are usually peaceful in nature, but all
demonstrations are unpredictable and conditions can change unexpectedly.
The RTP has indicated that 2,000 - 3,000 police officers will be on hand
to maintain public order. There are concerns that anti-Sonthi groups
may attempt to confront the demonstrators, which could lead to violence.
For this reason, please do not approach the demonstrators.
The Embassy encourages all Americans to avoid this area. Should you
find yourself in or near the demonstrators, move indoors for shelter
until the demonstration has passed, or ask for police assistance to
leave the area. While the demonstration is not expected to pass near
U.S. Embassy facilities, Embassy entrances and functions may be
restricted depending on circumstances.
For the latest security information, Americans living and traveling
abroad should regularly monitor the Department's Bureau of Consular
Affairs Internet web site at [url]http://travel.state.gov[/url], where the current
Worldwide Caution, Public Announcements, and Travel Warnings can be
found. Up-to-date information on security can also be obtained by
calling 1-888-407-4747 toll free in the U.S., or, for callers outside
the U.S. and Canada, a regular toll line at 1-317-472-2328. These
numbers are available from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m. Eastern Time, Monday
through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays).
--US Embassy, Bangkok, 2006-02-02
This is a standard warning issued by the U.S. State Department as a way to cover their ass. There is no specific threat against Americans or anyone else.
I have seen these warnings for a couple of farmers who hold up a sign in front of the Embassy on Wireless protesting rice subsidies. It's just a precaution, but good advice.
Unfortunately i don't mean the fun kind !!
The British Embassy have also piped up, but far more diverse, an ass covering if ever there was one
"A large political rally is scheduled for 4 February 2006 at King Rama V monument in the vicinity of the national zoo and Parliament buiding in Bangkok. This could cause congestion and disruption. You should avoid large crowds and demonstrations."
SOURCE: BRITISH EMBASSY IN THAILAND WEBSITE
Having said that, 100,000 people are expected, and with all the stuff about insider trading on Shin Corp, i think this guys days are up, and mess on the streets will follow. I certainly won't be going into town on Saturday, theres plenty of soapies on Rama IX anyway :D
I keep on reading that we should bing our own condoms because Thai condoms are small. I cannot find a condom at the size of "Durex excita" anywhere else than Thailand so far. It even fits me quite loosely, but I never lost or broke one so far. They come in a black, slightly bigger box at nearly 60 Baht a pack of 3.
Just buy Durex Comfort, they're the largest easily available condoms in LOS.
I buy like twenty packs at a time, never sure if I should be embarrassed or not.
Culture Minister Uraiwan Thienthong resigns
Culture Minister Uraiwan Thienthong announced her resignation today from the Cabinet of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra, amid growing anti-government sentiment and louder calls for the prime minister himself to step down.
"The current political situation is not conducive and I have to uphold the proper political ethics of good governance,'' she told a news conference.
Many were not surprised at Uraiwan's resignation as there were repeatedly rumours about her possible resignation when her husband, Sanoh, chief advisor of TRT has conflicts with Thaksin.
However her resignation is another blow to Thaksin ahead of a large anti-government rally planned for Saturday.
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Personally I don't dislike the PM but like any good politician he has double standards... I believe that his main motivation has been to get rich and help his friends do too. Nothing new or surprising...
juice
From the BKK Post;
"Huge police force to keep eye on rally
Some 3,000 city police will be deployed to keep law and order at an anti-government rally planned for tomorrow at the Royal Plaza by media firebrand Sondhi Limthongkul and his allies. Another 10,000 police will also be on stand-by during the demonstration."
Freeler says: I predict a riot!
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]
Personally I don't dislike the PM but like any good politician he has double standards... I believe that his main motivation has been to get rich and help his friends do too. Nothing new or surprising...
[/QUOTE]
Juice,
he was already very rich before he became a politician.
[QUOTE=Tiger 1]I keep on reading that we should bing our own condoms because Thai condoms are small. I cannot find a condom at the size of "Durex excita" anywhere else than Thailand so far. It even fits me quite loosely, but I never lost or broke one so far. They come in a black, slightly bigger box at nearly 60 Baht a pack of 3.[/QUOTE]
Tiger,
the Thai brands are indeed very small and not reliable.
Durex of course is of very good quality and is usually sold in three different sizes : 49, 52 and 54.
[QUOTE=Freeler]
Freeler says: I predict a riot![/QUOTE]Nice KC quote, wonder how many people got that?
Yeah, the PM was rich before but not very, very rich (by Thai standards) as he got while serving the king...
juices
Who is KC?
And will there be a lot of cute girls attending the riots? :D
juices
Those of you wishing to know more about our beloved leader would be wise to read "Thaksin, The Business of Politics in Thailand" (Chris Baker, Pasuk Phongpaichit).
JS: KC=Kasier Chiefs.
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Those of you wishing to know more about our beloved leader would be wise to read "Thaksin, The Business of Politics in Thailand" (Chris Baker, Pasuk Phongpaichit)[/QUOTE]
It's quite a read isn't it? :)
I read that sometime last year. It's a pretty valuable investment guide for any of you guys that have access to the SET. There is a complete breakdown of all the companies Thaksin controls. I wouldn't want to put any of my money in his competitor's companies. The book defty illustrates the stock price underperformance of his competition.
I just love the photo of him carrying the flag on that triumphant day he declared his victory on the war on drugs. I guess the married couple on Soi PhaiSingTo that sell yaba all day and night are safe because the picture of the policeman on their wall is a friend of Thaksin the all mighty. It's such a lovely world. :)
poster...
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Yeah, the PM was rich before but not very, very rich (by Thai standards) as he got while serving the king...
juices[/QUOTE]
Juice,
as far as I remember he was already the richest man of Thailand - so he was already rich by Thai standards - when he got elected.
Yeah, Mister T has been mega-rich for years.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike][b]
Who is KC?[/b]
juices[/QUOTE]
Um, the guy that fronts The Sunshine Band.....
[QUOTE=Ganoosh]Um, the guy that fronts The Sunshine Band.....[/QUOTE]Wasn't that a chick?
Oh, it was a guy, just looked at their website. They claim to be "as popular today as when they first danced onto the music scene thirty years ago".
Liars!
I always thought they were the band that sang "Walking on Sunshine", with the female singer. I guess I should be pleased that I don't know these things.
Coma,
How the fuck can you mix up KC and the Sunshine Band and Katrina and the Waves:(?
Am still a boy.
They were before my time.
Do you guys remember my little recount of the Imaginary Lumpini Park Massacre? You can review it here for a primer of what looks like is yet to come:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=414326&postcount=909[/url]
Anti Thaksin sentiment is starting to reaching critical mass. Check out what was on the front page of today's Bangkok Post:
THAKSIN BANS RALLIES AT ROYAL PLAZA
POST REPORTERS
Tuesday February 07, 2006
Chiang Mai _ Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra has banned the use of the Royal Plaza for the next anti-government rally planned by media firebrand Sondhi Limthongkul for this Saturday.
Critics slammed the move as undemocratic and warned of potential dire consequences.
Commenting for the first time since Saturday's massive rally, Mr Thaksin said he could no longer allow demonstrators to use the Royal Plaza. They could rally at other places as long as they stayed within the law and did not infringe on the rights of other people.
"That's enough at the Royal Plaza because it is the royal residential area," the prime minister said.
"The rally also obstructed traffic in the area. Democracy can be exercised but within certain boundaries. Everything has rules and we must respect that."
While dismissing the Saturday rally as having no political impact, he did say it went beyond the limit of democratic rights.
Senator Nirun Phitakwatchara urged Mr Thaksin to review his decision, warning that it would only create more tension. He said Mr Sondhi took his weekly talk show to various venues, including the Royal Plaza, because the government removed his programme from television Channel 9 in the first place.
Attempts to bar Mr Sondhi from organising a demonstration would only lead people to believe what he said, which would cause the government more trouble.
Senator Wallop Tangkhananurak said the ban contradicted Mr Thaksin's comments during his radio address on Saturday that the government allowed peaceful demonstrations within democratic rules. The ban would only encourage more people to join protests as television stations had failed to give full coverage of past demonstrations.
Prinya Thewanarumitkul, vice rector of Thammasat University, said the Royal Plaza had been used for political activities ever since the change of the country's form of administration on June 24, 1932. The Oct 14, 1973 uprising and May 1992 pro-democracy demonstration also followed a rally at the Royal Plaza.Opposition Leader Abhisit Vejjajiva said since the Feb 4 rally was peaceful there was no reason for a ban. The Royal Plaza should be the venue for the people to express their views.
"The prime minister may be afraid a larger number of people will turn out on Feb 11," he added.
Suriyasai Katasila, secretary-general of the Campaign for Popular Democracy, expressed surprise at the ban, saying the Feb 4 protest was peaceful. The demonstrators represented many groups with legitimate grievances and were law-abiding. He predicted this Saturday's rally would draw a larger crowd.
Tul Sirikulpattana, senior editor of the Manager daily, slammed the ban as dictatorial and illegitimate.
Somyong Kaewsuphan, an opponent of the transfer of schools to local administrations, said teachers would continue to join every rally organised by Mr Sondhi.
Pol Lt-Gen Wirot Chantharangsee, city police chief, said that although the Feb 4 rally was peaceful, police would enforce the ban. The rally could go ahead at Sanam Luang or Lumpini park.
Somchai Chitsa-ard, Dusit district director, said people wanting to use the Royal Plaza need permission direct from the Bureau of the Royal Household or through the district office, or face arrest.
The prime minister claimed that polls conducted by his Thai Rak Thai party showed the government still commanded the confidence of the public. This had been proven by the moral support shown by people in places he had visited over the past few days.
He was confident the 19 million people who voted for TRT still backed the party.
THAILAND: Just ignore stupid protesters, Thaksin tells his supporters.
50,000 protesters led by media mogul rally against prime minister.
South China Morning Post?Monday, February 6, 2006
Bangkok --- Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra urged his supporters to ignore "stupid" protesters yesterday, even as his rivals and the media declared the weekend's mass anti-government rally was a victory.
"These are just a few stupid people. Let's ignore them," Mr Thaksin said of the protesters as he visited his home town of San Kamphaeng in Chiang Mai province.
"I am not stupid. I will work to the best of my ability to make Thai people happy."
But Mr Thaksin's rivals declared their marathon 18-hour weekend rally a victory, having drawn 50,000 people at its night-time peak to demand the prime minister's resignation over alleged corruption.
"This is just the beginning," media mogul Sondhi Limthongkul, Mr Tledhaksin's leading critic, told thousands as the protest ended early yesterday.
"This is a victory because we managed to deliver our petition" to the king's official representative and to army commander General Sonthi Boonyaratglin, a hoarse and weary Mr Sondhi said.
The 58-year-old said he would organise another rally next Saturday "to close Thaksin's account". Protesters have accused Mr Thaksin, 56, of using his political power to boost his business dealings.
The chief complaint is the Thaksin family's sale of Shin Corp, the telecoms giant he founded, to Singapore's state-owned investment firm Temasek Holdings. The US$1.9 billion deal sparked public outrage because of its tax-free structure and it handed strategic national assets -- including satellites, phone companies and a television station -- to another country.
The anti-Thaksin camp was boosted by the resignation of technology minister Sora-at Klinpratum on Saturday. The surprise move came one day after the culture minister suddenly quit, saying she wanted to maintain "political ethics". Both belong to the same faction within Mr Thaksin's Thai Rak Thai (Thais Love Thais) party.
Government spokesman Surapong Suebwonglee insisted the resignations would not affect the administration. Labour Minister Somsak Thepsuthin, who heads a group that includes one-third of the party's lawmakers, insisted Mr Thaksin would find a political solution without calling an election.
Suchit Vongthet, a columnist in Matichon, a leading Thai newspaper, wrote: "His moral ignorance regarding the Shin Corp deal has built up public hatred of him, and that triggered the protest."
But political analyst Panitan Wattanayagorn said few believed Mr Sondhi had any meaningful political support of his own, and many point to his own shadowy dealings in questioning his motives for the rally. "People know not to trust him in anything. But despite Sondhi's background, it is obvious that his criticism of Thaksin is true," he said.
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juice
Thailand safari park a white elephant
08.02.06
CHIANG MAI - Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra opened Thailand's biggest safari park yesterday, even though the venture, dubbed a $41 million white elephant, remains short of safari animals.
"It will be like Disneyland, but more focused on nature," Thaksin said at a lavish opening ceremony, but refused to answer questions about a deal to ship game from Kenya to the night safari park.
Brochures for the 130ha site promise an "African savannah" with "harmless animals such as elephants, giraffe and zebras". The Kenyan Government has said it will not export endangered animals after an uproar by conservationists.
- REUTERS
Dear mongers,
since the last 2 years , i have missed the nude dancing that used to take place in NEP, i am a big fan of it otherwise, can anyone provide any info on the status of it, i am also planning to go phuket this time will i see it there?
boy
You can find topless girls standing on a bar next to a pole
at Soi Cowboy's Long Gun.
Lately conversations have been sufacing about Pattaya vs. Bangkok.
Here is the debate which i will not validate at this juncture:
"Pattaya girls are half the price of Bangkok girls"
Now Bangkokers like to say "Yeah but the quality is much better in Bangkok"
I have had one friend bragging about his 500thb short time girl in Pattaya
and then i saw her photo to which i was not impressed at all.
Sure it is true that alot of freelancers in Bangkok are trying to "up the ante"
to the tune of 1500THB or even 2000THB short time but there are gems
everywhere going for 1000THB not to mention that IMHO Bangkok is the better
place to date regular girls like students and office girls that actually say thanks
when you buy them dinner.
If somebody wants a tour or help in booking or whatever send me a PM
Over the last few weeks I've seen topless dancing at NEP's Hollywood, Playschool, and the bar to the left of Angelwitch.
But, like everywhere, it doesn't last long, and occassional false alarms lead to some very quick dressing.
[QUOTE=Boy Toy]Dear mongers,
since the last 2 years , i have missed the nude dancing that used to take place in NEP, i am a big fan of it otherwise, can anyone provide any info on the status of it, i am also planning to go phuket this time will i see it there?
boy[/QUOTE]
There used to be nude dancing or sex show 4 year ago in phuket , I think the thai government disallow this now , is not just for bangkok is for phuket and pattaya as well . but i heard soi cowboy do have nude dancing once of a while but i didn't see any the last time i was there .
fast eddie 48
[QUOTE=Fast Eddie 48]There used to be nude dancing or sex show 4 year ago in phuket , I think the thai government disallow this now , is not just for bangkok is for phuket and pattaya as well . but i heard soi cowboy do have nude dancing once of a while but i didn't see any the last time i was there .
fast eddie 48[/QUOTE]Lonegun in Cowboy have nude dancing, both with their shows and the go-go's, well at least when I was there in late November. The nude go-go's are after the show. A lot of the other places in cowboy have topless and no nickers but still with skirt on their go-go.
I saw this in this moring's the Nation. It'd be interesting to know if the victim knew the girl and there was some history or if he was randomly set up for the violent attack or robbery or whatever it was.
"American tourist stabbed and injured by bar girl, boyfriend
Chon Buri - A 44-year-old American tourist was assaulted and stabbed on Pattaya beach by a bar girl and who appeared to be her boyfriend early Saturday morning, police said.
Pol Maj Sirapop Sukkasi of Tambon Pattaya police station, said Tony Lindsey was severely injured during the attack at 2:30 am.
Lindsey suffered several knife wounds on his stomach, right side and right arm, Sirapop said. He was also hit at his face.
Sirapop quoted a witness as saying that he saw the American walking hand-in-hand from Soi 7 across the road to the beach.
While the two were sitting on the beach, a Thai man arrived at the scene on a motorcycle. The woman and man were then seen as assaulting the American with fists and knife before fleeing the scene on the motorcycle.
Sirapop said police had yet to interrogate Lindsey and police thought the woman might lure him to be robbed by her boyfriend at the beach."
Cheers,
Sean
Thought this info might be relevent to those visitors to LOS who has a Thai SIM Card. Also if you have frieneds in Thailand.
[B]All mobile users need to add an '8'[/B]
BANGKOK: -- Local telephone users will have one more digit to remember starting in June, according to the National Telecom***ications Commission (NTC). The switch to 10 digits from nine will increase the potential number of telephone numbers from 90 million to 300 million, sufficient for expected growth over the next 30 years.
Mobile-phone users will have to add an '8' in the middle of the existing two-digit prefix, followed by the existing seven-digit number, in order to make a mobile-to-mobile call. For example, numbers starting with 01 and 09 will become 081 and 089 respectively.
Gen Choochart Promprasit, the NTC chairman, said the NTC board would discuss the new 10-digit system this week, with the result to be proposed to the International Telecom***ications Union (ITU) for acknowledgement.
''We expect to start implementing the 10-digit system within three to four months, with the mobile phone system first'' he said.
TOT Plc has so far given out 87 million of the 90 million telephone numbers available nationally: 29 million to fixed-line operators, 22 million to Advanced Info Service, 12 million to DTAC, 6.5 million to True Move (formerly TA Orange) and one million to Thai Mobile.
Thai Mobile also has received 10 million numbers starting with 08 for future business. The company has been in existence for nearly four years but infighting between its two state shareholders, TOT and CAT Telecom, has stunted its development. It has only a few thousand paying customers.
The NTC recently allocated two million new numbers to DTAC and another one million to True Move.
Thailand currently has about 29 million mobile users, 96% of whom are customers of AIS, DTAC or True Move.
The decision to move to a 10-digit system is a response to complaints last year by operators that they were running short of numbers.
DTAC had claimed that of its 11.7 million numbers, more than 70% _ the minimum requirement for operators to request a new allocation _ had been allocated to its customer base of 8.7 million. True Move also claimed it was on the verge of running short.
The NTC responded by threatening to collect fees on unused numbers from operators in an attempt to prevent number hoarding.
Local cellular operators have hailed the new numbering plan, saying it was suited to a market where prepaid users account for more than 80% of all customers.
The problem companies face is that prepaid customers switch allegiance frequently, depending on which provider is offering the most attractive calling rates at a given time.
Operators typically reserve numbers that have gone unused for 60 or 90 days in case their defecting customers return.
Weerachai Patcharopartwong, assistant vice-president for business relations and development of AIS, said that changing to 10 digits would involve minimal cost for a software upgrade.
''There would have no effect on our operations since the new numbering system requires no change in customers' existing numbers,'' he said.
The company will allow customers to upgrade their SIM cards free of charge by inserting an '8' into all mobile numbers in the memory.
Thana Thienachariya, chief commercial officer of DTAC, also said his company would have no problem converting as long as the NTC gave it sufficient time to prepare.
[I]Bangkok Post 2006-02-14[/I]
Happy Valentine Day
Tee Vee :D
Hello,
I am a bit curious to have sex with a woman and another man, but how can I find a man?
Is the best thing to ask a girl if she knows a man, or let her pick him up in a bar or in the street?
Thanks,
Buttlover
Thai PM escapes business inquiry
Mr Thaksin has been dogged by protests over the share sale
A Thai court has refused to open an inquiry into claims Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra broke conflict of interest rules.
A group of 28 senators had alleged Mr Thaksin kept control of his family's telecoms giant, Shin Corp, after he sold his shares to his family in 2001.
The court ruled eight to six against an inquiry, citing inadequate evidence.
Mr Thaksin has faced calls to resign since his family sold its stake in the company last month.
The sale, which netted the family members and others $1.9bn, has angered many urban Thais, who complained the family avoided paying tax and passed control of an important national asset to Singaporean investors.
One of the judges, Jumpol na Songkhla, told Reuters news agency that the allegations - that Mr Thaksin influenced government policy to help the company he built - were not detailed enough.
He said the senators who made the complaint would have to make more specific allegations if they wanted the court to get involved.
Mr Thaksin's critics hoped the Constitutional Court's involvement would begin a process that could have eventually led to Mr Thaksin's being ousted from power.
Analysts said the court's decision should ease the pressure on Mr Thaksin, but was unlikely to end it.
His opponents have announced they will hold the latest in a string of demonstrations against him on 26 February.
Mr Thaksin, who was returned to office last year in a landslide, still has a large parliamentary majority, and his rural support base has shown no signs of wavering.
SOURCE: BBC NEWS
LINK: [url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/4718700.stm[/url]
Strange the Thai press haven't gotten around to updating their websites yet !!
[QUOTE=Buttlover]I am a bit curious to have sex with a woman and another man, but how can I find a man?
Is the best thing to ask a girl if she knows a man, or let her pick him up in a bar or in the street?[/QUOTE]You want sex with the dude, or you just wanna spit-roast a chick with another guy?
You should PM 1Ball, he likes a bit of cock.
In these situations the girls normally know what to do, ask any bar-girl, or mamma-san and they should be able to help you resolve the issue.
Or you could take a girl to the gay-bars in Silom and see what happens.
[QUOTE=Buttlover]I am a bit curious to have sex with a woman and another man, but how can I find a man?
[/QUOTE]
Buttlover,
I see five options/solutions for that problem :
1.) Come with a friend (hetero, bi or gay depending on your intentions)
2.) Pick a girl and ask her to pick a katoey
3.) Do as Coma said. Pick a guy from a gay bar (those guys aren't necessarily gay) at Silom/BKK or Soi Pattayaland/Pattaya.
4.) Ask Coma to have you participate at his monthly katoey orgy. But beware, lube is not allowed.
5.) Fuck a girl in front of a mirror
Buttlover, you could also find 2 girls, and bring a strap on.
Wow, so many things I want to add, but won't................
Does anyone ever visit this bar? What about the girls, it never seems to be mentioned that much, my friend told me he seen a girl from her whos name was vhan or something, any idea or pics of any of the girls?
Buttlover,
maybe you should first clarify what you expect of the guy in your "ménage à trois" ?
Do you only want to see the girl getting fucked by anothe guy ?
Do you want her to get fucked by both of you ?
Do you want to butt fuck him ?
Do you want him to butt fuck you ?
Or what else ?
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Buttlover,
Maybe you should first clarify what you expect of the guy in your "ménage à trois" ?
Do you only want to see the girl getting fucked by anothe guy?
Do you want her to get fucked by both of you?
Do you want to butt fuck him?
Do you want him to butt fuck you?
Or what else?[/QUOTE]I want the two first things, am I the only man who want this?
Buttlover
Hry Trav, you are right, it is confusing. Then throw in the handle, and it gets down right bizarre.
To each his own............
Hi, a friend of mine who is kind of overweight (5 feet 10 inches, 280 lbs) saw a program on Dr. 90210 where a U.S. doctor operates on a man who is also over weight for something called hidden penis or buried penis. The doctor stated that it is a very common problem with men who are over weight. What happens is that the penis is buried inside the rolls of fat therefore the penis seems smaller and is actually smaller since half to 1/3 of the penis is inside the man's body. The operation would involve in fixing the penis so it would not be able to hide inside the body.
Since it is a very scary operation, he would like to know if anyone in
Thailand can find a doctor that is experienced in penis surgery I would appreciate any information. We thought that a doctor that does sex change would probably be the person to talk to and do the operation. He is willing to go to Thailand since he believes that since they have done so many sex changes plus he does not want anyone in the U.S. to know that he is getting the operation. Therefore we would appreciate any help from the people that go or lives in Thailand. Thanks again
Csun,
Just curious but you are looking for a sex change or a "dig out" pennis operation?
Whatever it is, you may want to do some research on what exactly the procedure it is and if it is a sex change operation then Thailand is a good place to have it done. I don't know what hospital as I have never looked into it.
Good luck.
juices
Csun213
I suggested Bangmod Hospital before. It was deleted as I made the mistake of putting the web address (guess Jackson didn't like that). They are famous for plastic surgery. That's where most of the Katoeys go. But, I don't know if they could help your friend. He could write and enquire as they have an English-language service.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Csun213
I suggested Bangmod Hospital before. It was deleted as I made the mistake of putting the web address (guess Jackson didn't like that). They are famous for plastic surgery. That's where most of the Katoeys go. But, I don't know if they could help your friend. He could write and enquire as they have an English-language service.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. My friend look on the website and did not know whether they did sex operations. I will tell him that they do and he can go ahead and e-mail them. Do they have a phone number I can give him so he can call them and ask? Thanks again for your help.
[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks. My friend look on the website and did not know whether they did sex operations. I will tell him that they do and he can go ahead and e-mail them. Do they have a phone number I can give him so he can call them and ask? Thanks again for your help.[/QUOTE]
I presume the phone number is on the website. He could also try Bumrungrad Hospital. It is the best in Thailand and they have an extensive plastic surgery unit.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I presume the phone number is on the website. He could also try Bumrungrad Hospital. It is the best in Thailand and they have an extensive plastic surgery unit.[/QUOTE]
He has looked at Bumrungrad Hospital since he saw something about it on 60 minutes a while ago however he does not know if they do sex change. Someone told him that to operate in the penis area, it might be best to get a doctor who has done sex change since they would know everything in that area. Not sure if it is true of not. Heard that Thailand have very good doctors and since they have done a lot of sex change, my friend thought it might be the best place to have his hidden penis operation. Would like to hear back from other people on their opinion. Thanks
Greetings fellow mongerers-long time reader, first time poster. I'm heading to Bangkok in the first week of April. I've been a few times before but this is my first time flying solo. If anyone is in the same boat as me and wants to hook up for a few brews and mischief let me know. If you can't /don't want to keep it up and stay classy!
Csun if your friend is really that overrweight then why not lose the extra pounds instead of having a operation - it would cost a hellava lot less and would be ten fold more healthy for the dude in the long run. Having a sharp bod also attracts more chics.
He could also have an op that would shorten his intestine - very dangerous, but works to great effect.Being overweight to that degree, though is a threat to his health anyway.
In the case of the dude wanting to lose weight why not try the below sites: in fact anyone can benefit from these sites and they do have a lot of useful stuff.
There are mags as well, the US edition being better in my opinion.
[url]http://www.menshealth.com/cda/homepage.do[/url]
[url]http://www.menshealth.co.uk/[/url]
Instead of doing an op that he might not need I am sure its possible to resolve the situation by other, healthier means.
Hope this helps some.
Cheers.
Have your plump friend (or you, it's you isn't it) simply pull his hidden cock out into the world.
Tying a rope around his cock and jumping from a tree should do the trick. Surgery should only be a last resort.
While doing a bit of research, I came across an academic sexology site that reports on sexual behaviors in countries around the world. Many pages of interesting reading, but here's a couple of extracts from the Thailand report:
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Prostitution.
Thailand is well known throughout the world for its highly organized and diverse commercial sex businesses. Many tourists visit Thailand for this special interest, although many others are obviously drawn by the culture and nature of Thailand as well as the charming hospitality of Thai people. Tourism caters to men seeking sex in Thailand, and this aspect, which most Thais are not proud of, has been openly acknowledged and advertised...
____________________________
And for Coma and 1ball: (Now I know why they buy flowers and have haircuts so often ... ) ;)
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Gender Conflicted Persons.
... Although there are plenty of kathoey who hold other professions, stereotype predicates that many kathoey become street sex workers ... others become beauticians, fashion designers, hair-dressers, florists, artists, or entertainers (Allyn 1991).
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Have your plump friend (or you, it's you isn't it) simply pull his hidden cock out into the world.
Tying a rope around his cock and jumping from a tree should do the trick. Surgery should only be a last resort.[/QUOTE]
Coma, always good for a laugh in the AM. I was just taking a big swig of tea, as I read this, and spat it out all over the place.
FUNNY !
[QUOTE=Buzz00]Csun if your friend is really that overrweight then why not lose the extra pounds instead of having a operation - it would cost a hellava lot less and would be ten fold more healthy for the dude in the long run. Having a sharp bod also attracts more chics.
He could also have an op that would shorten his intestine - very dangerous, but works to great effect.Being overweight to that degree, though is a threat to his health anyway.
In the case of the dude wanting to lose weight why not try the below sites: in fact anyone can benefit from these sites and they do have a lot of useful stuff.
There are mags as well, the US edition being better in my opinion.
[url]http://www.menshealth.com/cda/homepage.do[/url]
[url]http://www.menshealth.co.uk/[/url]
Instead of doing an op that he might not need I am sure its possible to resolve the situation by other, healthier means.
Hope this helps some.
Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Everyone have told him to loose weight including his doctor. At 5ft 10in and 280lbs, it is really bad for his health however he can not seem to do it. I think in order for him to be normal size, he would have to loose at least 120lbs and I don't think that is really possible.
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Have your plump friend (or you, it's you isn't it) simply pull his hidden cock out into the world.
Tying a rope around his cock and jumping from a tree should do the trick. Surgery should only be a last resort.[/QUOTE]
Glad that you are having fun at someone else's pain. Glad that other members are trying to be helpful which is why this forum has so many members.
Coma,
"or you, it's you isn't it"
He's one of those folks who rent pornvids 'for a friend'...
[QUOTE=Csun213]Everyone have told him to loose weight including his doctor. At 5ft 10in and 280lbs, it is really bad for his health however he can not seem to do it. I think in order for him to be normal size, he would have to loose at least 120lbs and I don't think that is really possible.[/QUOTE]
5ft 10in and 280lbs is big, but certainly not an insurmountable amount of weight to lose. Not trying to be mean, but all he needs too lose is 80 lbs, and he'll be 200 at that height. He'll barely be a pom puey. (sp?)
There's something you are not telling us. I just don't see someone that size losing his dick in the rolls. Again, not trying to be mean, so don't blast me like you did Coma. What does he know, he's a brit anyway, and a big meany. (but FD told me he gives great BJs)
csun, if you want real information, you are not going to find it here, from a bunch of pervs, for God's sake. What are you thinking?
just get in touch with Bumrungrad, and ask them. They won't make fun. but i am 99% sure they will tell " your friend" to start jogging, instead of all this surgery stuff.
Got any pics of the "affected area" ? Piper wants to see them
[QUOTE=1Ball]. (but FD told me he gives great BJs)[/QUOTE]
Almost as good as yours 1ball.
Welcome back FD, old buddy.
can't make it to PI, as I told you before, but going to LOS in 2 weeks. Let's fly in together, I'll spot you some miles. Coma owes me dinner at the swankiest place in town, you can tag along.
[QUOTE=Csun213]Glad that you are having fun at someone else's pain.[/QUOTE]Yeah, am enjoying myself.
You should go on a strict diet and start regular exercise. Why didn't you deal with your weight problem years ago? If you hadn't let things get so bad then you wouldn't be in this situation.
I hope your penis grows back, but you're still gonna have to change your lifestyle. You can't just go back to stuffing your fat face with a million burgers again, and have surgery every six months.
Show a little self-restraint porky.
What about trying the Atkins diet? I know someone that did and lost over 80lbs in less than 6 months.
[QUOTE=Csun213]Thanks. My friend look on the website and did not know whether they did sex operations. I will tell him that they do and he can go ahead and e-mail them. Do they have a phone number I can give him so he can call them and ask? Thanks again for your help.[/QUOTE]
Csun,
Walk, eat patatoes and then walk some more. After a while Mr. Little surely pops out, ready to perform. And there is always vitamin V and offspring to lend a hand should he remain in hiding.
Why the fuck don't you seek professional help:(?
Jeez...
Thanks for the help. For all that cares, the person is not me. My friend asked me to find out for him since I do travel quite a bit all over the world while he has never owned a passport. I will pass the information on to him and let him decide what to do. I don't really know what his problem is since he does not really want to talk about it but I think it is the reason why he never wants to go with me and my other friends when we invit him to go to Asia for have fun. At least I do have two hospital information that I can pass on to him. I do appreciate the people that went through the trouble to get the information for me. Thanks again.
Aside from all the fun people are having with this, I guess it could be a serious emotional problem for some men.
This operation that you are talking about has nothing to do with 'sex surgery'. It is more akin to liposuction.
Your friends problem is that the fatty deposits in the area above the penis make it look like the penis is shorter than it actually is. The physical impediment caused by the extra fat is that the penis extends less far from the body. An operation would have nothing to do with the penis. It would remove the fatty tissue in the area bouded by the abdomen and the thighs - the pubic area.
Losing weight may help the problem but he would probably have to lose 30% of his body weight, which is unlikely.
Good luck.
Freeler,
I've only been flying Eva for about four years but have been treated well by both air crews and ground staff. They have class between coach/economy and business called "delux class". Good seats and legroom. On a 747 the seat spread is 2 aisle 4 aisle 2, as opposed to the usual 3,5,3. I'm a little over 6 feet and have at least eight inches from my knees to the seat in front of me. Now, I realise that room isn't everything, but service has been fine (although not up to Cathay, Singapore, JAL or even Thai standards) and no BS like 5 bucks for a beer. Drink service after the meals was generous and handy. I've also not had a longer layover in Taipei than 2 hrs going either to BKK or MNL. I'll stick with them until they [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off.
My fellow passengers have not been lowlifes.
My two cents.
FD
[QUOTE=Richard Kopf]Aside from all the fun people are having with this, I guess it could be a serious emotional problem for some men.
This operation that you are talking about has nothing to do with 'sex surgery'. It is more akin to liposuction.
Your friends problem is that the fatty deposits in the area above the penis make it look like the penis is shorter than it actually is. The physical impediment caused by the extra fat is that the penis extends less far from the body. An operation would have nothing to do with the penis. It would remove the fatty tissue in the area bouded by the abdomen and the thighs - the pubic area.
Losing weight may help the problem but he would probably have to lose 30% of his body weight, which is unlikely.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for your information. My friend, Earl, I guess it woulld be OK to use his first name since he does not post on this forum since he has never left U.S. does not really know what to do however he did find this artical by searching on the internet.
hidden penis is frequently referred to as a buried or concealed penis. There are multiple causes of buried penis including obesity, aging with an overlying fold of abdominal fat and skin, and a shortage of penile skin from chronic inflammation or an overly aggressive circumcision. (See category of Buried Penis under Penile and Scrotal Surgery)
Some men are born with a congenital fat pad that tends to make the penis inconspicuous. The skin of the lower abdomen and pubis descends or sags with age, causing the penis of some men to hide under the excess skin and fat. Obesity makes the concealment of the penis worse. Various procedures are available to make the penis more visible if the penile shaft is buried below the surface of the skin from obesity or aging, an overly aggressive circumcision, congenital fat deposits, or a small phallus,
If excess skin and fat are present on the lower abdomen and pubis, the skin and fat are excised, elevating the pubic region and giving a more youthful appearance to the penis and genitalia. If fat only is present, liposuction or open surgical removal of the fat is performed. The skin of the pubis is sutured down to the underlying abdominal tissue, which prevents the penis from hiding in the pubic area. The skin at the base of the penis and scrotum is sutured to the erectile bodies, preventing the penis from retracting into fat or into the scrotum.
He only ask me to check on the Thailand board (I am usually on the China board since I travel to China at least 2 times per year for fun) since he has heard that Thailand has excellent doctors.
I would appreciate any input on whether you would do the above either surgery or liposuction in Thailand? Sorry to keep at this however he is a childhood friend whom I have know for over 40 years and I would really like to give him all the information that I can find. I have been to Thailand a few times about 8 years ago but for fun only and never had been to a hostipal nor seen a doctor. Thanks in advance.
Tell Earl to contact Bumrungrad Hospital:
[url]www.bumrungrad.com/plasticsurgery/contact_query.asp[/url]
+66(0)2667-1243
Time to make that tiny penis big!
1ball,
Thanks for the offer. I'm just kinda of burned out on BKK right now. After spending a month there getting the teeth fixed and not even getting down to Pattaya, another BKK trip just doesn't appeal.
I will probably head for China's "Three Gorges" area before getting to LOS again. Although, I may fly to Shanghai from BKK, if it works out cheaper that way. This next trip is definately the RP. Sorry you can't make it.
FD
[QUOTE=Richard Kopf]Your friends problem is that the fatty deposits in the area above the penis make it look like the penis is shorter than it actually is. The physical impediment caused by the extra fat is that the penis extends less far from the body.
Losing weight may help the problem but he would probably have to lose 30% of his body weight, which is unlikely.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
I'm not convinced Csun is genuine - his persistence here seems strange. There are much better places to get real advice for his pal.
I'm currently about 4kg overweight (damn Heineken), but even when I was a very lean guy I had the little hump - must be genetic. But I use that little clit-grinder to my advantage. ;)
[QUOTE=Piper1]I'm not convinced Csun is genuine - his persistence here seems strange. There are much better places to get real advice for his pal.
I'm currently about 4kg overweight (damn Heineken), but even when I was a very lean guy I had the little hump - must be genetic. But I use that little clit-grinder to my advantage. ;)[/QUOTE]
I could not agree more Piper. He has been given websites, telephone numbers, information, and been made fun of. And yest, he persists, asking information from a bunch of derelicts.
4 Kg overweight ? You pig !! :D
Dear People, please drop this nonsense asap. Yesterday when I read this page, I thought I was on a different website. Stick to the main topic please.
Anyways, let me try to jumpstart this thread. I learned to ride the skytrain today. It was a no-brainer. Got off at Nana. At the back of my mind I thought I would be looking for a building call N.E.P., but such building was nowhere to be found. I did some scouting around and when I saw the Soi 7 sign, it dawned on me that I was walking on the infamous Sukhumvit. And then I found Beer Garden! Yeowsar! I didn't go in. Wanted to save it for tonight. But I noticed that the windows and doors were open. I hope it's air-conditioned b/c I can't stand this heat for long.
For tonight, I have to make a difficult decision: Beer Garden or Soi Cowboy. Right now I'm learning towards BG because I already found it. SC's location is well documented as well...
Any suggestions? I'm not looking for 18 yr old. More like 25-30 yr old.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]For tonight, I have to make a difficult decision: Beer Garden or Soi Cowboy. [/QUOTE]Try both. Only a few minutes apart by cab, and cabs are cheap.
[QUOTE=Piper1]I'm not convinced Csun is genuine - his persistence here seems strange. There are much better places to get real advice for his pal.
[/QUOTE]I take it back Csun - had a few minutes to spare so I had a look at some past posts, where you're asking for advice on many issues, ranging from mobile phones to the best bowling alleys to the best airline for your mom and pop (and so many viagra/levitra/cialis questions!). This board really is helpful in so many ways. So, follow Coma's good advice and enquire at Bum hospital.
Lost in space, the beer garden is NOT AC. (hence the name GARDEN).
they have fans which spew streams of mist at you if you sit in their path. it might seem you are being cooled by a lovely stream of cool water, but don't be fooled. You will get up from your stool soaking wet, and withing 1 minute, be even hotter than before.
Sit in the path of a non waterized fan, and you'll be fine. Or go to Gulliver's on soi 5, which is AC, if you are looking for FLs.
I hope this is back on track enough for ya.
[QUOTE=Piper1]I'm currently about 4kg overweight (damn Heineken), but even when I was a very lean guy I had the little hump - must be genetic. [/QUOTE]
Damn, my balls are 4k overweight. ;)
I went to the Beer Garden on Soi 7 Nana skytrain station. Selection was so-so and therefore I kept drinking. As expected the more I drink the better they look. And I had short listed, well, one lady. At closing time, she was nowhere to be found. Darn! I left the premise and a short distance away saw a cutie in a red top (it's a popular color). But she was going some where and disappeared into an alley. I hopelessly walked East to look for a taxi to go home. All of a sudden someone called me. I turned around and this stunning 24 yr old beauty wanted to talk to me. I took the bait and settled for LT.
It's never over until the fat lady sings. Especially in Bangkok.
LostinSpace, five hours since your last post, and in that time you caught the train, got merry in beergarden until closing time (they close that early?), then wandered the side alleys, found a girl and finished a LT engagement. Well done. How long is LT?
[QUOTE=Jaimito Cartero]Damn, my balls are 4k overweight. ;)[/QUOTE]Jaimito - you've come to the right thread with your medical problem. Walking must be difficult. ;)
Just like a BULL - ever see the rubber cajones they make to hang on trailer hitches (in the US)? but even those wouldn't be 4kg
fat lady sings? not too many pom puey "interesting"
The fine for remaining in Thailand past the expiry date of a permit to stay, currently 200 baht a day, will rise to 500 baht a day with effect from March 15.
However, the maximum fine payable will remain the same, at 20,000 baht, Pol Lt Gen Suwat Thamrongsrisakul, Commander of the Immigration Bureau, stated in a document posted in Thai on the Bureau's website. The document gave no reason for the increase.
[i]Phuket Gazette 2006-02-21[/i]
Cheers
Tee Vee
[QUOTE=Piper1]LostinSpace, five hours since your last post, and in that time you caught the train, got merry in beergarden until closing time (they close that early?), then wandered the side alleys, found a girl and finished a LT engagement. Well done. How long is LT?
;)[/QUOTE]
Piper1, Beer Garden closed early. It must have been about 1:30am. The place across the street was still opened, but I didn't go in. I submitted the post immediately after arriving to the hotel at about 2:30am. She said she had to leave at 6. Her 3 yr old son's first day of school. So LT was only 3 hours for 2,000 b.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Piper1, Beer Garden closed early. It must have been about 1:30am. ............. So LT was only 3 hours for 2,000 b.[/QUOTE]
I would not want want to see the dregs that are left at beer garden at 1.30 AM. SCARY.
That was not LT for 2K, that was ST for 2K. You got taken my friend.
[QUOTE=AlLostInSpace13]Piper1, Beer Garden closed early. It must have been about 1:30am. The place across the street was still opened, but I didn't go in. I submitted the post immediately after arriving to the hotel at about 2:30am. She said she had to leave at 6. Her 3 yr old son's first day of school. So LT was only 3 hours for 2,000 b.[/QUOTE]
Everyone pays what they want to pay, but at that time of night, coming across a 'lady' hanging around on that part of the sukhumvit, that calls out to you, should have cost a max of 1,000 Baht for 3 hrs, in addition 3 hrs is ST not LT, and i don't know any school in Thailand that started back today, the expat schools did reopen on monday though, but i doubt her loved one goes there.
Enjoy yourself tonight, but keep it real !
[QUOTE=***********]The fine for remaining in Thailand past the expiry date of a permit to stay, currently 200 baht a day, will rise to 500 baht a day with effect from March 15.[/QUOTE]That's good news. I hate those cunts who think it is okay to overstay.
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]That's good news. I hate those cunts who think it is okay to overstay.[/QUOTE]
I don't understand why its so simple to overstay, 500 Baht is nothing and certainly not a deterrent, if you stay longer than your visa allows, without a good reason (hospital, sickness) then the punishment should be far more severe. The Ranong 12 were harshly treated, but i personally thought it was sending out the right message, "Stop taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]" but now they've backed down which has sent out the opposite message.
I know people up country who have overstayed years not days, they are the oldtimers who arrived on a dream, spent their lot and are more Thai in there ways than Thai people. Sad way to go, an illegal overstayer in Asia without a pot to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in, in their 50's, 60's etc.
I often hear about things getting tougher for westerners in Thailand, laws becoming stricter etc. In my early days i felt that way, but if your truly committed then get legal, once your legal nothing gets tougher it gets much easier.
Bangkok - the land of sex opportunities. Was there over a weekend with the missus but that didn't stop the fun. Made it more interesting.
Got a outcall girl to come to our hotel room for a threesome. Nuk, about 24/25 years old arrived. Nice, slim, long hair. Reasonable size tits and shaved pussy.
Got her started massaging my wife while I sat back and watch. Slow sensual stroking massage then slowly started playing with my wife's tits. Sucking and licking her tits and fingering her at the same time. We have agreed to no licking of pussy(unfortunately) and no kissing (again unfortunately) for safe sex purpose. Would have loved to see that. What other ways to have safe sex between women?
After half an hour with my little bro still very much at attention, I joined in the fun. Nuk fondled my little bro and balls, then capped me and gave me a BJ right in front of my wife! After some minutes of vigourous sucking, turned her over and entered her doggie style while she kept playing with my better half. There I was, fucking another woman right in front of my wife and she was enjoying it!
After changing position a couple of times, shot my load and let the 2 women carried on where they left off. After a satisfying one and a half hour, Nuk left (after being paid of course) and my wife and I had our own session as she needed to feel something inside her.
This is the first time we have tried a threesome and man, was it worth it even though we paid B3,500 for it. Best of all, my wife enjoyed it and she said she has no problem with me having fun outside if she gets some 'other' action once a while.
Chili Padi
[QUOTE=1Ball]I would not want want to see the dregs that are left at beer garden at 1.30 AM. SCARY.
That was not LT for 2K, that was ST for 2K. You got taken my friend.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately I think you're right. I got taken again! She did ask for money up front. And I said no. Then we agreed on half the payment first.
The bottom line was that I didn't want to go back to the hotel alone that night and I was able to achieve that without losing an arm and a leg. It was my last night in BKK.
My frigging room was US$300/night (not that I'm made of money, but all the hotels were fully booked because of the film festival). Compare with that, 2,000b is peanuts and I really liked her, inspite of her being a smoker and has a 3 yr. old. She seemed genuine, or may be I was drunk. If 2,000b would help her out a bit, I don't mind paying.
I will be smarter next time. I don't want to drive up the prices.
You never know who you might be drinking a beer with :
Husband of Slain Socialite Faces Trial.
Nineteen years after socialite Lita Sullivan was shot to death on her doorstep by a man carrying a dozen long-stemmed pink roses, her husband went on trial Monday on charges he hired the hit man for $25,000.
James Sullivan, 64, a millionaire who prosecutors said feared losing money and property in the couple's divorce, was one of the FBI's most wanted fugitives until he was captured in Thailand in 2002.
He is accused of paying triggerman Phillip Harwood to kill his 35-year-old wife in 1987.
After Mrs. Sullivan was shot, her husband got a call from a man who said his troubles were over, prosecutor Sheila Ross told the jury.
"Merry Christmas," the prosecutor quoted the caller as saying. Ross said Harwood has admitted making the call.
Defense attorney Don Samuel said that his client had no reason to kill his wife. "There will not be a shred of physical evidence, not one shred of physical evidence that links Jim Sullivan to this crime," Samuel told the jury.
The prosecutor said that Mrs. Sullivan was shot the same day a hearing had been scheduled to discuss property distribution in the couple's divorce. Ross said Mrs. Sullivan was seeking about $1 million, including alimony, jewelry, a Mercedes and the Atlanta townhouse where she died.
"The evidence will show the defendant hired a hit man to make sure she didn't get that money," Ross said.
Sullivan was indicted in 1998 but fled the country, ending up in Thailand where he remarried and lived in a posh beachside neighborhood. He was extradited to the United States in 2004.
Harwood, who is expected to testify, pleaded guilty to killing Mrs. Sullivan and is serving a 20-year sentence for manslaughter, but in letters written to the court over the last two years he has denied being involved in the killing.
A second man who claims he also was asked to commit the murder is expected to testify. Earlier this month, Bill Hawley, a felon with a 79-page criminal record who is currently serving time for theft in Florida, came forward to claim that Sullivan had approached him to kill his wife. Hawley claimed he agreed to do it for $50,000.
The exact timing of the alleged conversation with Sullivan and further details about why Hawley didn't follow through have not been revealed.
The prosecutor said Sullivan didn't attend his wife's funeral and never called her parents with his condolences. She also said that Sullivan called his wife's neighbors looking for her three days before the shooting. The prosecutor said he did that because Harwood told him she wasn't home during his first attempt to kill her.
Lita Sullivan's mother, state Rep. Jo Ann McClinton, testified Monday that her daughter was afraid after someone knocked on her door late at night several days earlier. McClinton said she asked her daughter to come stay at her home for the night.
"We also discussed Jim's scorched earth policy," McClinton said, referring to alleged comments the defendant had made to others indicating he would make things difficult for his wife if she made the divorce difficult.
After so much fun... just used up the Torjan condoms that i brought from the U.S., the Thai condom that i can buy in here is too small/tight, even feel pain using it. Does anyone know where to buy reliable farang-sized condom?
A quick bit of info that might help newbies to BKK and particularly Patpong.
I haven’t come across touts as unrelenting as this lot in any country in any field of activity. I really underestimated how hard they try to ‘get’ you. Made the mistake of engaging one in conversation, it started with me saying ‘no thanks’, it went downhill from there. The guy was all over me like a cheap suit, I couldn’t shake him off no matter what I did or said.
Must have taken me about over 2 hours. In the end I gave the guy 100 baht and gave his friend a 100 baht as well (yeah he had multiplied), just so they would both fuck off and leave me.
When I have a burning between my legs, I like to go with my instincts and just go wherever I want or go with friends. I don’t want some scumbag taking me to his favourite commission joint and waiting outside 'till I’ve finished, so he can take me to his next commission joint. That sucks.
My advice is don’t saying anything to them, not even “no”, even if you think you are skilled at handling these kind of 'interactions' You’ve been warned.
Moving away from Patpong, if you see that guy who hangs around Nana Plaza whose sole aim in life is recommending the Starlight club or whatever it's called. Tell him I told him to fuck off as well. Thanks
Your frothing at the mouth is solid evidence of the truism of Retired Army's statement.
"Have an inferiority complex and a chip on their shoulder. They used to rule the world, but now..."
At least it is in your case. I wouldn't want to generalize towards all British like Retired Army did, who by the way, never identified himself as an American.
[QUOTE=Hommer]used up the Torjan condoms that i brought from the U.S. Does anyone know where to buy reliable farang-sized condom?[/QUOTE]Certainly noticed the difference with Thai condoms when ran out of Trojans - could be a good business opportunity supplying everyone, reckon you could make more money than you would teaching English anyway.
[QUOTE=Ralph Kramden]Your frothing at the mouth is solid evidence of the truism of Retired Army's statement.
"Have an inferiority complex and a chip on their shoulder. They used to rule the world, but now..."
At least it is in your case. I wouldn't want to generalize towards all British like Retired Army did, who by the way, never identified himself as an American.[/QUOTE]
Please see my reply to this in the Bangkok Reports thread.
[QUOTE=Frank Furious]A quick bit of info that might help newbies to BKK and particularly Patpong.
I haven’t come across touts as unrelenting as this lot in any country in any field of activity. I really underestimated how hard they try to ‘get’ you. Made the mistake of engaging one in conversation, it started with me saying ‘no thanks’, it went downhill from there. The guy was all over me like a cheap suit, I couldn’t shake him off no matter what I did or said.
Must have taken me about over 2 hours. In the end I gave the guy 100 baht and gave his friend a 100 baht as well (yeah he had multiplied), just so they would both fuck off and leave me.
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I had similar experience in BKK from touts even when I said no to them. But all I had to do was ignore them and walk away, yes they follow at first but after 50 meters they will stop and go back to their spot.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]touts follow at first but after 50 meters they will stop and go back to their spot.[/QUOTE]50 metres! You're definitely doing something wrong. I've never seen one that doesn't give up after about three metres.
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]50 metres! You're definitely doing something wrong. I've never seen one that doesn't give up after about three metres.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, maybe even more than 50m, have to admit the bastard was persistent as he was trying to make his sell all this way. But point is they do eventually give up (regardless of distance) if U ignore them.
PT
Help please. Guys Im rather inept when it comes to computers and usually when I visit the forum, I do it via google so as not to leave a trace in the space where you type the web address. Btut somehow or rather I clicked on enter when I shouldnt have and now the web site appears on my list of recently viewed sites. How the hell do I delete this from view? The program I use it Mozilla Firefox. Please help as I do not want my wife to find out what I've been up to. Also, if someone can tell me how to delete a search object from the google page, that would be great as well. Many many thanks.
Click Tools, then Options, then the Privacy tab, then clear both History and Saved Form Information.
That should do the trick.
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]Click Tools, then Options, then the Privacy tab, then clear both History and Saved Form Information.
That should do the trick.[/QUOTE]
And click clear cache to be safe. Best way is to clear the entire menu but if you have passwords stored, you'll lose them.
Also, remember if you use google and have it under a gmail account, make sure you clear your searches.....
in options, privacy go to saved form and unclick the "save info", same for "save history". I autodelete cookies when firefox closes (drop down menu - "until fire fox closes") BRUTE FORCE is to "cleared stored data when closng firefox" (check box) in "clear private data settings"
The is a program out there called "cleanup" (stevegould.org has it) Load and run - but it gets a bit tricky to tell it to keep what you don't want deleted - it goes after temp files, downloads, clears recycle bin - total wipeout - as in "overwrite wip clean".
[QUOTE=Plugger] How the hell do I delete this from view? The program I use it Mozilla Firefox. Please help as I do not want my wife to find out what I've been up to. Also, if someone can tell me how to delete a search object from the google page, that would be great as well. Many many thanks.[/QUOTE]
Do what I do, just buy a new computer.
[QUOTE=Plugger]Help please. Guys Im rather inept when it comes to computers...[/QUOTE]Well, atleast you're not using Internet Explorer to look at ISG, so you can't be that bad.
You may want to use a proper web based proxy in future to minimise or avoid browser cleanup. Jackson is encouraging people to check out this thread:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2188[/url]
How you approach browser cleanup, depends on your attitude to security, thoroughness and paranoia - apart from obvious things like your technical ability.
For the help. Whew. My ISG activity has been limited of late as my children are now of school going age and are probably more adept at using the computer than me. Wouldnt want them to stumble on what dad's been up to. Not to mention the incessant barking of my paranoid "better" half.
Once again, thanks.
To remove history or not even allow history to function.
Select Tools -> Options.
Click on Privacy tab and then click on Settings near bottom right corner.
You'll see several boxes with check mark.
Browsing History
Saved Form Informatin
Saved Passwords
Download History
Cookies
Cache
Authenticated Sessions
Under settings
Clear private data when closing Firefox
Ask me before clearing private data
Check all the data you want cleared like history, Cache but also check, "Clear private data when closing Firefox" so every time you close the browser it clears all the data. Now click the "Okay" button.
Has anyone heard from Ironworker lately?
Has anyone heard from Ironworker?
Hi Guys :
Can some body bring kamagra for me in USA. Off course I will pay for it.
I need about 4-5 packs. I just love this.
Thanks,
Player2
Hi Guys,
Will be visiting Bangkok shortly - my fourth visit - and was wondering what the team thinks about the preference of Viagra vs Cialis.
Almost more importantly, where can I buy some of the magic pills easily over the counter?
Thanks in advance.
I have similar problems as Plugger.
I cannot remove ISG www. address because it autocompletes regularly.
I am using explorer.
What can I do ?
Thanky for partnership.
FV.
[blue]Greetings everyone,
There is an entire section on "Logging In and Posting Problems" under the "Site Administration" forum.
http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=302
I might be a good idea to discuss this problem there where others who are interested in the same information can find it.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
[QUOTE=Thwaites]Hi Guys,
Will be visiting Bangkok shortly - my fourth visit - and was wondering what the team thinks about the preference of Viagra vs Cialis.
Almost more importantly, where can I buy some of the magic pills easily over the counter?
Thanks in advance.[/QUOTE]Go to Sukhumvit Rd./corner soi 4. You will detect a petrol station. Neighbour shop is a small money changer and right of that a small drugstore. Here you can get generic Viagra (name is Penegra; Indian product, it works well!) and also generic Cialis (name is Apcalis Plus 20).
Both are good products (also my experience) and cheaper that the American brands.
If you decide for V or C depends a little bit on you. I feel well with Cialis (half tablet for 36-48 hours). If you need a stimulation for a short period only V is O.K.
Good success
FV
A man described to be mentally-deranged hammered the most-revered Pra Prom or Brahmin creator god at the Hyatt Erawan Hotel and reduced it into pieces before he was lynched to death.
A garland vendor said she saw the man standing up on the base of the statue and hammered away the statue into pieces.
Only the part of lap and base of the statue were left intact. Its head was broken and fell off to the ground. Officials put up white cloth to hide the statue.
The man, who was later identified as Thanakorn Pakdeepol, 27, was assaulted by people near the scene and died about 50 metres away from the Pra Prom shrine.
The garland vendor, Wandee Wichai, 42, said she saw the man hammering the statue at 1 am and she shouted for help.
The man fled but was later caught up by some taxi drivers and people started to beat him up.
Pol Maj Gen Krissasda Phankhongchuen, deputy metropolitan police commissioner, said the man, who suffered severe injuries on his head, was barely alive when police arrived at the scene, which was on the opposite side of road from the Police Hospital.
He said police later arrested two garbage collectors and found an iron bar which one of them used to beat the man.
His father, Sayan Pakdeepol, told police at the Lumpini Police station, that his son, had been suffering from depression since he was conscripted into military service when he was 21 years old.
Sayan said he talked to his son at about 8 pm and he abruptly left home, which was in the same neighbourhood with the shrine. The father said he had not heard from his son after learning that he was killed.
SOURCE: Nation News, 21st March 2006: [url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/03/21/headlines/headlines_20003221.php[/url]
[QUOTE=Flyingvisitor]Go to Sukhumvit Rd./corner soi 4. You will detect a petrol station. Neighbour shop is a small money changer and right of that a small drugstore. Here you can get generic Viagra (name is Penegra; Indian product, it works well!) and also generic Cialis (name is Apcalis Plus 20).
Both are good products (also my experience) and cheaper that the American brands.
If you decide for V or C depends a little bit on you. I feel well with Cialis (half tablet for 36-48 hours). If you need a stimulation for a short period only V is O.K.
Good success
FV[/QUOTE]
FV, thanks for your information. How much do you pay for these generics? Depends a little bit on you? Can you clarify please? Is a matter of age? I am 55 y.o. I am also fit and healthy but need some “relax and time” after the first shot. Which one can you recommend me and why?
Sponsor 74, I am a doctor, and I am your age.. My experience was not too good with V: Although it did work, it was not consistent. Also. occasionnally, not all times, I had some unpleasant side effects such as headache, feeling drained etc.. Last, of course, effect only lasts 2-3 hours.
I had a much better expereince with C, no side effects, and efficacy sustained for 36 hours. But none of these drugs will really make you cum twice in 30 min.. It is mostly helping in maintaining proper erection, which is a different things then cumming.
If you have never used any of those drugs you should start with a lower dose such as 5 or 10mg C. If no effect, neither good or bad, than move up to C 20mg. And read the leaflet, there are sever side effects if you take it with other drugs, mnitrates for coronary heart diseases; Last it's contrindicated if you have had heart problems.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Dreams]Sponsor 74, I am a doctor, and I am your age.. My experience was not too good with V: Although it did work, it was not consistent. Also. occasionnally, not all times, I had some unpleasant side effects such as headache, feeling drained etc.. Last, of course, effect only lasts 2-3 hours.
I had a much better expereince with C, no side effects, and efficacy sustained for 36 hours. But none of these drugs will really make you cum twice in 30 min.. It is mostly helping in maintaining proper erection, which is a different things then cumming.
If you have never used any of those drugs you should start with a lower dose such as 5 or 10mg C. If no effect, neither good or bad, than move up to C 20mg. And read the leaflet, there are sever side effects if you take it with other drugs, mnitrates for coronary heart diseases; Last it's contrindicated if you have had heart problems.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Dreams, thanks a lot for your professional advice. I have never tried V or C but want to use it in my next trip to BKK. Last time I payed for Viagra THB 2000 and for Ciallis THB 2300 and wonder how much I have to pay for these generic if they are also good then I would try C and revert with my experience after my next trip.
My contribution to this issue is only a comment from a woman, she told me if I use V or C I have to forget to fuck her. I wonder why? Because a long time erection and fucking her longer than usual or could she realize in some other way that I use one of these pills?
Thanks again and if someone knows the prices of these generic please let me know and if I also get these pills in dose such as 5 or 10mg or do I have to take only the half?
[QUOTE=Sponsor74]Dreams, thanks a lot for your professional advice. I have never tried V or C but want to use it in my next trip to BKK. Last time I payed for Viagra THB 2000 and for Ciallis THB 2300 and wonder how much I have to pay for these generic if they are also good then I would try C and revert with my experience after my next trip.
My contribution to this issue is only a comment from a woman, she told me if I use V or C I have to forget to fuck her. I wonder why? Because a long time erection and fucking her longer than usual or could she realize in some other way that I use one of these pills?
Thanks again and if someone knows the prices of these generic please let me know and if I also get these pills in dose such as 5 or 10mg or do I have to take only the half?[/QUOTE]
If you google both, you'll find the mfger's website and can download the physician circular that has everything you need to know, including dosage, contra-indcations, side effects, etc. And same sites will usually also give you opportunity to 'sample' product - basically you fill out form and need to see your doc (or better yet, just visit your doc, he's got tons of samples, trust me).
A deeper RTFF and/or google search and you'll get plenty of opinions from guys who have used both. And also where to potentially pick the stuff up.
My personal opinion for this would be to get samples from your doc first and try them out. If you really get hooked on it, then look for cheaper way to get larger quantities.
PS - I've never personally tried them...the above opinion is based on marketing and selling Rx for 20 yrs.
V is available as KAMAGRA (or some other generic name) for about 400B for a pack of 4
C (as "apsalis" or similar) for about 1000B pack of 4
I bought in Pattaya on Soi Buakhaow about across the street from Sawatdee
Just ASK they all have it. The kai-yaa midway on Post-Office (13-2) in Pattaya will cut off a single V for 100B (or did in October anyway) Never asked about single C
IF you make it to Cambodia, THAT is where to buy the stuff - $5 pack for V and $15 pack for C less in "quantity" (5 or more was what they called quantity in Snooky)
DON'T BUY THE CHINESE STUFF - some is good, most is NOT (blue devils)
As to "functionality" (fucktionality, whatever) usually takes a bit of stimulation to get it started (at our age anyway)
Personally, I take 1/2 (10mg) of C and either 1/2 or a whole V (some lingering med problems and a good size body mass as well) Headache? no. Other effects? didn't notice. Can take more V the next day if required to maintain the effect
[QUOTE=Sponsor74]FV, thanks for your information. How much do you pay for these generics? Depends a little bit on you? Can you clarify please? Is a matter of age? I am 55 y.o. I am also fit and healthy but need some “relax and time” after the first shot. Which one can you recommend me and why?[/QUOTE]When in Thailand and with daily opportunity to have a girl I prefer C (generic).
When at home for rare occasional chance I think V is a good way.
Does this help?
Regards
FV
Anyone have any experience dealing with the salon girls that wrk the Suk parlors? I was flirting with one during my last trip visintg the salon several times and having a friendly lunch with her during her break but I could not hook up as I had other comitments/women to be with. She has e-mailed me wanting to hook up on my next visit in two weeks. She seems like a nice sweet girl and I do not want to cause any undue grief but she is attractive and seems like a worthwhile pursuit. Thoughts recommendations. Cheers.
PS. I am a fairy experienced hand having been in BKK about 14 times in the last 2 1/2 years but I value and respect the opinions of the branch at times.
[QUOTE=Siddv]Anyone have any experience dealing with the salon girls that wrk the Suk parlors? I was flirting with one during my last trip visintg the salon several times and having a friendly lunch with her during her break but I could not hook up as I had other comitments/women to be with. She has e-mailed me wanting to hook up on my next visit in two weeks. She seems like a nice sweet girl and I do not want to cause any undue grief but she is attractive and seems like a worthwhile pursuit. Thoughts recommendations. Cheers.
PS. I am a fairy experienced hand having been in BKK about 14 times in the last 2 1/2 years but I value and respect the opinions of the branch at times.[/QUOTE]
If you take her out, and fuck her with respect, all is well.
If you call her a filthy skank ****, and blow all over her face, she might not see you again, but then again, who knows? Might be just what she was looking for.
bottom line is, give it a try, proceed with caution, and you might end up with the nicest girl of your entire trip.......... or not.
[QUOTE=Siddv]Anyone have any experience dealing with the salon girls that wrk the Suk parlors? I was flirting with one during my last trip visintg the salon several times and having a friendly lunch with her during her break but I could not hook up as I had other comitments/women to be with. She has e-mailed me wanting to hook up on my next visit in two weeks. She seems like a nice sweet girl and I do not want to cause any undue grief but she is attractive and seems like a worthwhile pursuit. Thoughts recommendations. Cheers.
PS. I am a fairy experienced hand having been in BKK about 14 times in the last 2 1/2 years but I value and respect the opinions of the branch at times.[/QUOTE]What's a suk parlor?
Newbie,
Suk = Sukhumvit Road
Dudes,
I've been getting pms from all sorts of members, newbies and seniors alike, asking about cheaper places to stay.
I'd say, it's time for a lesson in Thai hotel pricing structures. I wish I could just post an excel-file, but I don't know how to post it.
Basic room= one bed, fan, thai toilet: B120-180
Bigger bed, add B30-B40
Western toilet, add B30-B40
Second bed, add B30-B40
Aircon, add B100 (including hot water)
TV, add B30-B40
A good view or balcony: No surcharge!
Some examples:
My rooms in Korat - Basic: B150 or B160
My room in Phuket Town - Basic, but in an expensive town: B180, western toilet B220, second bed B260 - real price B300, location justifies the slightly higher price.
My room in Pattaya - Basic, but in an expensive town: B180, aircon B280, western toilet B320, TV B360, really big bed B400 - real price B350. Their fanrooms + tv + bigbed + western toilet are B250. That's cheap! The very similar place nextdoor goes for B400 aircon.
My room in Nong Khai: Basic: B150.
Common bath and western toilets: B120 (that's minus B30)
Real price B120, their doubles are B150.
Don't pay for the lobby, the carpets in the hallways and all the other bullshit. You don't need it once you're in your room.
Freeler,
With all due respect to the info, can you name names of places please. Seems that you are reluctant to do this. I mean its not some once in a life time top class woman that we are talking about here.
Cheers,
Buzz
Buzz,
Yes I can, but it should be clear by now that I won't.
Reason one: It took me a long time to build up a portfolio of good places to stay. I will not ever dump it out on the street.
Reason two: If ever I fail to live up to reason one, I will find those places I mention full next time I show up and guess who has to find new new places...
That's not going to happen!
[QUOTE=Freeler]
Yes I can, but it should be clear by now that I won't.
Reason one: It took me a long time to build up a portfolio of good places to stay. I will not ever dump it out on the street.
Reason two: If ever I fail to live up to reason one, I will find those places I mention full next time I show up and guess who has to find new new places...
That's not going to happen![/QUOTE]
Well Freeler kind of defeats the purpose of this board no ? If we were all of that disposition there would not be an ISG, but what ever does it for you dude, what ever.
Freeler,
I second that.
Isn't it the purpose of the forum to share info and to help each other ?
Just saying "walk and look around" doesn't really fit into it.
Anyway, even though you aren't willing to help others to find those great and cheap hotels / rooms, would you please post a few pics so we can judge if the rooms would even come close to what we are looking for.
I once had a look at a couple of rooms at the already mentioned Soi 6. more out of curiosity than of really considering to stay there - except to maybe have a nicer ST room than those at the bars - but all rooms proved to be total crap, dirty and many were already occupied (bugs and roaches).
Without intending to flame you, but I have seen pics that you have mailed to a friend of mine some time ago and those showed rooms I wouldn't even drop my bag. So I doubt the rooms you talk about come any close to what most posters here are looking for.
Posting a few pics would help to determine if we are talking about the same thing.
Did I mention Soi 6 at all?
At least I'm telling people that there is more out there then B1,200 overpriced rooms. If they then are too fukken lazy to out and find them, what can I do?
Take them by their hand and lead them?
I'm not a fukken social worker and that's the end of that.
Freeler,
not you but another member mentioned Soi 6.
You don't need to be a social worker to post a location or address.
You would just follow the intention of that forum.
We all know that there is more out there than just the 1.200 Baht rooms. Question is, what you can buy for your bucks and if 350 Baht do really buy you what you are looking for. That might be the case for you, but people differ. So share a bit of your superior knowledge. Just saying that there is more but not helping any further is a waste of bandwith.
Anyway, I repeat, if you don't want to give out any info about the whereabout of these classy rooms, you could still post a couple of pics for us, so we get an idea what we are really talk about. Maybe we loose interest immediately if it doesn't fit in, since most of us are looking for a clean, secure, cheap and nice looking place.
Freeler,
Again this is has absoloutely nothing to do with being a social worker ( you thinking of changing your vocation ) but the free flow and exchange of information.
And as traveller points out the intention of the forum. But sir if you think that everyone here is fukken lazy,well then that just about says it all. Anyway you seem to have a bit of a chip on your shoulder.
If you can not post the names of these so called establishments then why bother posting any info at all, its all air. We are not that dumb that we don't know that there are less expensive rooms to be found, but we don't spend huge amounts of time in LOS like you do to beable to find them.
Buzz,
guess it's a question of attitude.
Some people believe to be better (and in this case smarter too) than others.
And instead of helping those "dumb asses" they keep their wisdom for themselves.
Traveler,
I think he is trying to show off that he has the info
but thinks he can play mind games with us, but yeah
its a matter of attitude.
cheers,
Buzz
Guys:
I don't usually post on this board, and restrict my comments to Davao, Philippines, where I live, or to Manila. But I'm here in Bangkok for three days after an absence of about 20 months, and I'm staying in a coop apartment in the Silom Road area, about a 10 minute walk from Patpong, and just off of Convent Road, on Soi Saladaeng. The place is really lovely, and rents for about $80 a night. It's called the Saladaeng Colonnade and it's got studios and one and two bedroom units by the night or the month.
I would recommend it to anyone who is tired of hotels, and wants some more space.
:D
GE
If someone is wanting to find a 300 baht a night hotel in Pattaya, I would suggest Mr Chan's. It has a/c, western toilet, cable t.v.. It is nothing great, but I stayed there for about a month last year and found it all right. It is between Pattaya and Jomtien, in the same set of buildings as Roof Garden.
I dont remember the exact price but it was about 300 baht a night. It is also an art gallery. The help there was very friendly.
PM me if you want any information. I have their business card with phone number and email address.
Regards Horatio
Good article on Thai popular music in yesterday's Observer newspaper:
[url]http://observer.guardian.co.uk/omm/story/0,,1729868,00.html[/url]
From a link I found on 2bangkok.com :
[url]http://www.fescanphoto.com/korat/bargirl/index.htm[/url]
Very interesting. Some of the girls back then didn't look 1/2 bad at all.
Hi all,
I have read a bit on the board about the cheap medical treatment available to farang's in BKK, but very little about dental treatment available.
Anyone know if any good quality, reasonably cheap dental treatment is available and where?
Thanks.
TKM
[QUOTE=The Kman]Hi all,
I have read a bit on the board about the cheap medical treatment available to farang's in BKK, but very little about dental treatment available.
Anyone know if any good quality, reasonably cheap dental treatment is available and where?
Thanks.
TKM[/QUOTE]
Good dental clinics are everywhere. Most dentists are trained in either the U.S. or Australia. Just ask for some recommendations when you arrive in BKK.Appointments are not hard to get.
The Dental Hospital, Sukhumvit soi 49, just past Villa Supermarket on the opposite side.
It's a little more expensive than dental clinics, but still cheaper than anything in the US and it puts a lot of dentists to shame in the US and Canada: Absolutely first class all the way. The King's dentist runs the place. So, you know it's going to be good.
Excellent service, very Farang-friendly.
[url]http://www.dentalhospitalbangkok.com/english/welcome.htm[/url]
OAH and Retired Army,
Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
TKM
[QUOTE=The Kman]OAH and Retired Army,
Thanks for your help. Much appreciated.
TKM[/QUOTE]
FYI...OAH is Old Asia Hand. He's on the China board. I'm OTH, Old Thai Hand.
I just got back from a month long journey to China, Thailand and Cambodia, for the first time in my home state (Minnesota) I was searched at customs. I have seen enough movies to know better then to smuggle anything (I would make a terrible smuggler) but that didn't stop the friendly folks from helping themselves to 28 new DVD's, one of the coppers said so long as I was not bringing in a bunch of one copy or had too many it was OK, saddly this one was not mine and I had to fork over the ill gotten movies. The real problem was there looking at my laptop, 90% of my photo's are G-rated stuff, the great wall, Angkor Watt etc, then there is the other 10%. Even then the problem was not photo's I had taken abroad, but video clips and stills I had, some time ago, downloaded. Even though there is nothing illegal on my laptop, the customs man expressed "concern" about the 1200 porn video clips he calims I had (this is a lie I have no where near that many!) also he tried to make it sound like I had illegal content, I had none and I knew it but it is best to not keep anything on a laptop that you don't want anyone else to see, just a thought. I have heard of mailing DVD's back but would that make things worse? Just a heads up
The Nations breaking news:
I will not accept post of premier in the next government : Thaksin
Caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra announced on Tuesday that he will not take the premiership in the next government.
He said his decision is aimed at restoring unity in the country and that the country is celebrating HM the King's 60th anniversary on the throne.
He apologised to the 16 million people who voted for him and his Thai Rak Thai Party in last Sunday's election.
"My main reason for not accepting the post of prime minister is because this year is an auspicious year for the king, whose 60th anniversary on the throne is just 60 days away," Thaksin said in a nationally televised press conference.
"I want all Thais to reunite," he said.
His announcement came after he was granted an audience with HM the King at Hua Hin palace in the afternoon. Earlier he repeatedly said that he will never step down.
However he said he would remain in the position of caretaker prime minister until Parliament selects the new prime minister.
The Nation
Giotto
I think this is Good News for Thais...
[QUOTE=Seydlitz]And there are those who still do not see what the King of Thailand is the overpowering figure of wisdom with so much political clout.
He is the world's longest serving monarch and has very rarely committed himself in the countless political crises that happened during his long reign. But each time he did, he got the crisis resolved with swift decisiveness.[/QUOTE]
And what happens when the current King is no longer with us and his son takes over?
So long Mr. PM...
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/world/asia/04cnd-thai.html?hp&ex=1144209600&en=3c49674e01c9a341&ei=5094&partner=homepage[/url]
Maybe the new PM will be a better thing for Thais and Thai businesses.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]So long Mr. PM...
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/04/world/asia/04cnd-thai.html?hp&ex=1144209600&en=3c49674e01c9a341&ei=5094&partner=homepage[/url]
Maybe the new PM will be a better thing for Thais and Thai businesses.[/QUOTE]
Hard to say as corruption is usually a major factor to the local govt and this spreads on upward to the national govt. Corruption is the main compliant among all business that try to survive. I can say the Thai govt overall is not too bad (compare to other 3rd world dirtbag countries), but it could use an upgrade.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]The son, unfortunately is not the father. Overall, I think it will be a sad day for Thailand when the current king dies and the son becomes king. [/QUOTE]
My fears exactly!
Giotto
yes. probably a wise thing to do, given who I work for. So, I deleted my comments.
[QUOTE=Giotto]...but all of you should think about deleting your posts asap. Giotto[/QUOTE]
Good point. Done.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4878362.stm[/url]
What will happen? Who knows...
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Giotto
yes. probably a wise thing to do, given who I work for. So, I deleted my comments.[/QUOTE]
I did too.
It says something about where we live that a few relatively innocuous comments by some could then lead us all to rethink the wisdom of it and subsequently delete the comments en masse.
It made me think of the obvious contrast with the tabloid press in England that tears into the Windsors on a fairly regular basis.
On a side note: you wouldn't actually go to prison for it. You would just be expelled and banned from LOS forever.
Honolulu "Spastic" Jimmy's photo of a bar-girl with bank notes on her pussy and breasts would also probably not go down too well with the authorities.
Expect he stole that photo also, but still, not a wise one to post. But, then again, he isn't a wise one.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike][url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/4878362.stm[/url]
What will happen? Who knows...[/QUOTE]
I guess, it depends on which part of Thailand.
But, overall, it'd be good for monger scene:
No more cleansing of bar scene or "entertainment districts."
No more running the government in a corporate style with efficiency. It's back to big bureaucratic government with administrative waste and corruption, so later open times and full-nudity in go-go's everywhere.
No more rural improvements, so more poor girls flocking to BKK, i.e. higher supply in bars and go-go's. And, subsequently, lower ST/LT rates...
I'd better start booking my next LOS vacation...
Seeko
[quote=old thai hand]it says something about where we live that a few relatively innocuous comments by some could then lead us all to rethink the wisdom of it and subsequently delete the comments en masse.
it made me think of the obvious contrast with the tabloid press in england that tears into the windsors on a fairly regular basis.
on a side note: you wouldn't actually go to prison for it. you would just be expelled and banned from los forever.[/quote]
i know what you mean. i had a heated discussion with a local thai businessman last time i was in bkk. about my own country's leaders.
he hated them. i told him that he could say it, and i wouldn't take offense or hit him. unlike some other nations with religious zealots. i also told him that both he and i could say bad things or call names about my country's leaders whether we were in my country, thailand, or anywhere else in the world. but, i stated that i could not do the same with regard to thailand.
i didn't think that he understood the whole concept of freedom of speech, press, or expression. or, tolerance for others' opinions and ideas.
well, luckily, i didn't let that affect my mongering experience...
seeko
[QUOTE=Lost Johnny]I just got back from a month long journey to China, Thailand and Cambodia, for the first time in my home state (Minnesota) I was searched at customs. I have seen enough movies to know better then to smuggle anything (I would make a terrible smuggler) but that didn't stop the friendly folks from helping themselves to 28 new DVD's, one of the coppers said so long as I was not bringing in a bunch of one copy or had too many it was OK, saddly this one was not mine and I had to fork over the ill gotten movies. The real problem was there looking at my laptop, 90% of my photo's are G-rated stuff, the great wall, Angkor Watt etc, then there is the other 10%. Even then the problem was not photo's I had taken abroad, but video clips and stills I had, some time ago, downloaded. Even though there is nothing illegal on my laptop, the customs man expressed "concern" about the 1200 porn video clips he calims I had (this is a lie I have no where near that many!) also he tried to make it sound like I had illegal content, I had none and I knew it but it is best to not keep anything on a laptop that you don't want anyone else to see, just a thought. I have heard of mailing DVD's back but would that make things worse? Just a heads up[/QUOTE]According to an article I read last week online in a professional photo journal, the Dept. of Homeland Security is planning to impliment a "policy change" (not propose a new law that would have to be debated in Congress) that would require that anyone entering the USA found in possetion of "pornographic" or "purient" images would have to have "proof" that the subject of the image is adult and gave consent.
In other words, if you have some digital photos in your camera or computer memory of a bare breasted maiden, you will have to produce some kind of acceptable documentation prooving it legal.
I can hear it now: "Uh-, honey; before you go would you mind signing your name here; and here: and on this one here: and if you could just put your fingerprint there-----. Oh, and by the way, do you happen to know a notary close by-------?"
The sooner the US gets that FUCKING IDIOT and his bible thumping "friends" out of power the better
Dinghy, to follow up on your previous post........
Fellas,
Just tell me if the Baht is going to go back up now that Thaksin is out of office?
Thanks,
LBM
[QUOTE=Mai Yao]According to an article I read last week online in a professional photo journal, the Dept. of Homeland Security is planning to impliment a "policy change" (not propose a new law that would have to be debated in Congress) that would require that anyone entering the USA found in possetion of "pornographic" or "purient" images would have to have "proof" that the subject of the image is adult and gave consent.
In other words, if you have some digital photos in your camera or computer memory of a bare breasted maiden, you will have to produce some kind of acceptable documentation prooving it legal.
I can hear it now: "Uh-, honey; before you go would you mind signing your name here; and here: and on this one here: and if you could just put your fingerprint there-----. Oh, and by the way, do you happen to know a notary close by-------?"[/QUOTE]
Mai Yao,
that sounds quite familiar. As you might know, a few members of this board had the very same demand.
But just as those guys, homeland security should first check their own behaviour.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/04/homeland.arrest/index.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Seeko]I guess, it depends on which part of Thailand.
But, overall, it'd be good for monger scene:
No more cleansing of bar scene or "entertainment districts."
No more running the government in a corporate style with efficiency. It's back to big bureaucratic government with administrative waste and corruption, so later open times and full-nudity in go-go's everywhere.
No more rural improvements, so more poor girls flocking to BKK, i.e. higher supply in bars and go-go's. And, subsequently, lower ST/LT rates...
I'd better start booking my next LOS vacation...
Seeko[/QUOTE]
Seeko,
I doubt that. Even though Thaksin isn't the prime minister anymore, he is still acting behind the scene. Don't forget, many of the guys in power are close friends and he lifted them into their positions. So the "Thaksin system" will still be in place for some time.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]
Just tell me if the Baht is going to go back up now that Thaksin is out of office?
[/QUOTE]
LBM,
the stock market went up but the cross rates are rather affected by other factors.
T.T.
Doing well in the market in U.S., but it seem everytime I'm ready to wire a large sum of money to Thailand the baht drops! I get the worse luck sometimes! But I can't really complaint since I'm halfway to my goal to retirement by the end of the year! Then starting next year that's when I will really be poor.
LBM
I'm no computer expert but maybe while in still Thailand, you can upload your pics on to a website and store them there until you get home then download them to your computer again. This way, you won't have any pictures with you when you pass through customs. I'm sure The Traveler knows if this can be done or not.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Mai Yao,
that sounds quite familiar. As you might know, a few members of this board had the very same demand.
But just as those guys, homeland security should first check their own behaviour.
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/04/homeland.arrest/index.html[/url][/QUOTE]
What about downloading them on a thumbdrive and putting them someplace not in plain sight?
[QUOTE=Retired Army]What about downloading them on a thumbdrive and putting them someplace not in plain sight?[/QUOTE]
An X-ray might reveal it.
There are other methods in order of difficulty:
(1) Hide the directory and select "do not show hidden files and folders" under Windows Explorer's Folder Options.
(1) Change the extensions to something else, so a simple global search wouldn't reveal them.
(2) Zip them with passwords. If you get questioned, tell the DHS agent that the zip files contains sensitive private information. And, you'd need court-orders, a signed non-disclosure affidavit, and privacy act briefing before you can reveal the contents.
(3) Convert them to ASCII text files. If the agent looks at them, they'll apprear to be just a bunch of garbage characters. Recombine them when you get home. Similar process to Usenet News postings.
Good luck,
Seeko
I don't think they can do anything to you if it is just regular sex pics with girls. I had a friend come back from Brazil with a bunch of nudes and they just looked at it and let him go.
I think the point is that unless you are a known pornography smuggler on the 10 Most Wanted List, don't attract attention. Just don't have things in plain sight.
Also, aren't there secure thumbdrives available? Seems like I have seen them advertised.
[QUOTE=NoCBJ4me]I'm no computer expert but maybe while in still Thailand, you can upload your pics on to a website and store them there until you get home then download them to your computer again. This way, you won't have any pictures with you when you pass through customs. I'm sure The Traveler knows if this can be done or not.[/QUOTE]
NoCBJ4me is right, you can create multiple Yahoo mail accounts (1 GB each), sent your pics to your own account (or to a non-existing one) and have them stored in your "sent mail" folder by doing so. Easy and for free, but a fast connection is needed if you really want to upload 1 GB and more.
[quote=seeko]an x-ray might reveal it.
there are other methods in order of difficulty:
(1) hide the directory and select "do not show hidden files and folders" under windows explorer's folder options.
(1) change the extensions to something else, so a simple global search wouldn't reveal them.
(2) zip them with passwords. if you get questioned, tell the dhs agent that the zip files contains sensitive private information. and, you'd need court-orders, a signed non-disclosure affidavit, and privacy act briefing before you can reveal the contents.
(3) convert them to ascii text files. if the agent looks at them, they'll apprear to be just a bunch of garbage characters. recombine them when you get home. similar process to usenet news postings.
good luck,
seeko[/quote]
seeko,
what ? do you really want to tell us that you can see files on an usb stick or mp3 player via x-ray ? no way man.
solution (1) doesn't work, since the pc that us custom will use to check your usb stick might have a different setting and everything would be visible.
second solution (1) won't work as well. they might just load it into a pic viewer or might use a little proggie that is checking the file structure rather than the extension.
i don't think that solution (2) will work either. at the end all info on your laptop is private info. they obviously don't need or already have all necessary permissions to have a look at it. so they might confirep001e your laptop if you don't let them have a look at that zip file.
finally solution (3) won't work too. converted into ascii would reveal the file structure, it is in no way different than looking at the files with a disk editor. those guys probably know their stuff.
best is still very strong encryption and make the container invisible. there are tools (like steganos security suite [url]http://www.steganos.com[/url]. ) that provide these functions. if they should really find the container, claim to not know about it, could be an old windows swap file (name it like "pagefile.sy~")
[quote=the traveler]seeko,
what ? do you really want to tell us that you can see files on an usb stick or mp3 player via x-ray ? no way man.[/quote]
i was referring to ra's comment about hiding the thumb drive. i meant that once they noticed the stick, they might question it, since it was not in the same location as the laptop.
[quote=the traveler]
solution (1) doesn't work, since the pc that us custom will use to check your usb stick might have a different setting and everything would be visible.
second solution (1) won't work as well. they might just load it into a pic viewer or might use a little proggie that is checking the file structure rather than the extension.
i don't think that solution (2) will work either. at the end all info on your laptop is private info. they obviously don't need or already have all necessary permissions to have a look at it. so they might confirep001e your laptop if you don't let them have a look at that zip file.
finally solution (3) won't work too. converted into ascii would reveal the file structure, it is in no way different than looking at the files with a disk editor. those guys probably know their stuff.
best is still very strong encryption and make the container invisible. there are tools (like steganos security suite [url]http://www.steganos.com[/url]. ) that provide these functions. if they should really find the container, claim to not know about it, could be an old windows swap file (name it like "pagefile.sy~")[/quote]
hmmm... first of all, sorry about mislabeling the steps.
anyway, my steps were all about the contents on the laptop. and, it is assumed that the customs agents are doing random or cursory checks for terrorist-related material, illegal software, and/or prohibitive items, i.e. child p0rn. if they are using their own programs to scan your hard drive or actually loading up garbage files to check for porn pixs, then, they obviously suspect you. and, you'd better stop them from checking any futher and call in your lawyer.
as for contents on a usb drive, i agree. it's obvious that one would encrypt it, since it's the only safeguard in case you lose it or got it stolen.
as for encrypted data files, yes, of course, there is always the chance of confirep001ion (either the laptop or the thumb drive). but, if you really have nothing to hide (i.e. no child p0rn), then, let them have a look. of course, you'd do well to ask for a supervisor and a private room. you have a better chance of convincing your case to a cooler head without the interference of the accusing agent and the stink eyes from other travelers.
as for ascii, i think, you missed my point. by converting into ascii (using uuencode), the data is a bunch of ascii characters, i.e. no file structure or marker for pix types. obviously, you'd rename them with a different extension. so, a picture viewer or file reader won't catch it. and, if they use a disk editing tool to read the raw data, they would just see a bunch of garbage alphanumeric characters. so, you aren't transporting pictures, movies, or software. you'd be safe, unless they know to restring them together and decode them back to binary files. and, even if on a very rare chance that they do, you can still defend yourself, since you are only bringing back a bunch of text files. what you do with that data (i.e. restoring back to picture format) once you are in country is not their jurisdiction.
btw, i would like to point out that my suggestions were to protect one's privacy and any legitimate sensitive data (i.e. confidential corporate or legal files) from casual viewing infront of other travelers and lowly-paid hourly grunts. i have no problem with full disclosure once i am satisfied that the supervisor has the proper clearance and understands to be discrete and prevent unnecessary disclosure. obviously, official business-related pixs and videos would easily pass (assuming you have the credential to prove that you indeed are in such media business [lucky ba$tard]), but for personal pixs, you'd just have to reason with him.
and, no, i don't make a practice of importing illegal material or contrabands.
i just happened to have friends in both liberal circle and security field.
seeko
[QUOTE=The Traveler]NoCBJ4me is right, you can create multiple Yahoo mail accounts (1 GB each), sent your pics to your own account (or to a non-existing one) and have them stored in your "sent mail" folder by doing so. Easy and for free, but a fast connection is needed if you really want to upload 1 GB and more.[/QUOTE]
Windose Live Mail Beta has 2 GB storage, and Gmail is up to 2.7 GB.
BTW, anyone know how fast is the fastest broadband service in Thailand?
Seeko
[quote=seeko]windose live mail beta has 2 gb storage, and gmail is up to 2.7 gb.
btw, anyone know how fast is the fastest broadband service in thailand?
seeko[/quote]
what i was told when i signed up for true a year ago is that it is fast within thailand, but once you try to access an outside site the speed drops quite a bit. i know this is highly technical, but i tried to simply it as much as i could.
Seeko,
converting into ASCII is like opening a file with an editor. Just try it and open a pic with the windows editor and you will see what I mean.
If it is a JPG taken with your cam - no matter how you renamed it's extension - you will usually see a string "EXIF" in the header of the file. Bingo, it's a pic ! Same works with other file types like movies, exe and so on. So it's easy to see the real nature of the file.
Of course, best is to not have any illegal material. I see no need to encrypt any of my pics, just carry them on my CF-cards and if customs would like to have a look, no prob. BTW, if in doubt take a pic of the girl's ID or driver license, even if it might be a faked one (you never know).
[QUOTE=The Traveler]converting into ASCII is like opening a file with an editor. Just try it and open a pic with the windows editor and you will see what I mean.[/QUOTE]
No, it isn't. There's a lot more to it. ASCII is only 7-bit (0-127 characters), while binary sets are 8-bit (0-255).
And, I did what you suggested. Windose's Notepad revealed the header information and a whole bunch of special characters, i.e. 8-bit. If it was a pure ASCII file, you'd only see mostly readable characters, i.e. 7-bit.
So, even if the encoder leaves the identifying marker in the beginning, the rest of the data is not in binary format, so the picture viewer wouldn't be able to process it.
I don't think I am explain this too well. Check out:
[url]http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/ASCII[/url]
[url]http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/Binary+and+text+files[/url]
[url]http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.com/ASCII+armor[/url]
[QUOTE=The Traveler]BTW, if in doubt take a pic of the girl's ID or driver license, even if it might be a faked one (you never know).[/QUOTE]
Good point. Oh, I've noticed that most of the TG's ID cards do not match their face, since the photos were taken back when they were 16. And, I also noticed that most BG's (under 20) would readily grab one of the older co-workers' ID Cards, so that they can get into discos and niteclubs. I guess, the ID cards are a formality. Since Thai's use nicknames and the pixs aren't that up-to-date, it's hard to match an ID card back to it's owner.
Note: turn off flash and use close-up/portrait mode.
Seeko
[quote=retired army]what i was told when i signed up for true a year ago is that it is fast within thailand, but once you try to access an outside site the speed drops quite a bit. i know this is highly technical, but i tried to simply it as much as i could.[/quote]
q: have you tested the connection speed? within thailand and overseas?
fyi, my vdsl is rated up to 14mbps. in korea, i get about 12mbps, and for overseas, it varies from 1-8 mbps, depending on number of ports opened.
how does that compare with true?
seeko
If you need to hide any material in your laptop that upon entry back to the US you might feel it could be a problem you can always use the services of sites where you upload your stuff and keep it there until you come back then download it back to your computer. (long sentence :D)
Here is one of many services available: [url]http://megaupload.com/[/url]
juices
[QUOTE=Seeko]No, it isn't. There's a lot more to it. ASCII is only 7-bit (0-127 characters), while binary sets are 8-bit (0-255).
And, I did what you suggested. Windose's Notepad revealed the header information and a whole bunch of special characters, i.e. 8-bit. If it was a pure ASCII file, you'd only see mostly readable characters, i.e. 7-bit.
So, even if the encoder leaves the identifying marker in the beginning, the rest of the data is not in binary format, so the picture viewer wouldn't be able to process it.
[/QUOTE]
Seeko,
I guess you misunderstood something.
The standard ASCII set is in fact 8-bit and has 256 characters (0-255) but you only need the lower 7-bit (0-127) subset to display normal (english) text. Anyway, I forgot that the Windows Notepad is using ANSI, not ASCII. Both character sets are almost identical, but differ in the upper (128-255) characters.
Nevertheless, now I understand what you originally intended to tell us. You wanted to have it converted into the lower ASCII (7-bit) subset. Sure, this is some sort of "encryption" but since the original file type is easy to spot, not really a good idea as you might be forced to "decrypt" it.
[QUOTE=Seeko]
Good point. Oh, I've noticed that most of the TG's ID cards do not match their face, since the photos were taken back when they were 16. And, I also noticed that most BG's (under 20) would readily grab one of the older co-workers' ID Cards, so that they can get into discos and niteclubs. I guess, the ID cards are a formality. Since Thai's use nicknames and the pixs aren't that up-to-date, it's hard to match an ID card back to it's owner.
[/QUOTE]
Thanks for confirming what I am saying for ages. Guys who solely believe in IDs are very vulnerable for "mistakes".
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]If you need to hide any material in your laptop that upon entry back to the US you might feel it could be a problem you can always use the services of sites where you upload your stuff and keep it there until you come back then download it back to your computer. (long sentence :D)
Here is one of many services available: [url]http://megaupload.com/[/url]
juices[/QUOTE]
Juice,
I already gave the same advice but also said that it isn't really practicable for huge amounts of data. We are talking about pics (4-5 megapixel in average), so have you ever tried to upload several hundred MB or even a few GB from an internet cafe or by using the hotel network. It would be a pain in the ass and would need far too much time.
I think the best and still most convienient idea would be to compress it (ACE is best for that), encrypt it and store it as a hidden file on your MP3 Player. Add a few MP3 files and listen to them when passing customs.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]The standard ASCII set is in fact 8-bit and has 256 characters (0-255) but you only need the lower 7-bit (0-127) subset to display normal (english) text. Anyway, I forgot that the Windows Notepad is using ANSI, not ASCII. Both character sets are almost identical, but differ in the upper (128-255) characters. [/QUOTE]
Unless I misread the encyclopedia, the standard or basic ASCII is only the lower 7-bit set. I think you are referring to the extended ASCII which uses 8-bit set. And, Windo$e's ANSI is another version of extended ASCII, which as you say is differ in upper set.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Nevertheless, now I understand what you originally intended to tell us. You wanted to have it converted into the lower ASCII (7-bit) subset. Sure, this is some sort of "encryption" but since the original file type is easy to spot, not really a good idea as you might be forced to "decrypt" it.[/QUOTE]
Not if you rename it during the encoding process and remove the first few characters, indicating file type. (Use a normal text editor to delete and add back the same characters before decoding.) And, if you compress or encrypt it further, then, it's harder to identify. Of course, you can keep pouring layer upon layer of security, if you have the time and patience.
Anyway, the point I was making was about using the "loophole" of transporting text files vice picture or video files, to get out of "trouble."
Seeko
[QUOTE=The Traveler]I think the best and still most convienient idea would be to compress it (ACE is best for that), encrypt it and store it as a hidden file on your MP3 Player. Add a few MP3 files and listen to them when passing customs.[/QUOTE]
Hey, thanks for the tip. Now, we know where to find the contraband files.
Just kidding... I'm not LE or DHS. ;-)
Seeko
I wonder how is going to be the rate of exchange of the Bath against the Euro and USA Dollar in this political situation? Is going to be cheaper or expensive?
And how is the current mark situation with the tourist and the working girls? Cheaper or more expensive? I will be there next month and my hotel was overbooked but the flight tickets were cheaper. I really don’t understand? Are we mongers going to take advantage of this situation or we probably have to pay more than in the past?
Sponsor,
the mongering scene won't be affected by it. Thaksin is still there in the background and the guys who are in power now were selected by him.
Flight tickets might have been cheaper due to low season and if you check other hotels you might find out that there is still plenty of room.
Exchange rates are rather affected by other facts but the stock market took a short hike because the uncertainty was gone. Nevertheless, the girls don't care about such things and will charge you as much as before.
So in short : no change at all.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Sponsor,
Exchange rates are rather affected by other facts but the stock market took a short hike because the uncertainty was gone. Nevertheless, the girls don't care about such things and will charge you as much as before.
So in short : no change at all.[/QUOTE]
Baht at 6 1/2 yr high accordingly to WSJ. Exports, eg shrimp, rice, commodities negatively impacted. Got as high as 37.85.
Not sure if it's Thaksin or not but Baht is stronger and it's not an anomaly (just yet).
Traveler1234,
yep, but that's just the overall economical situation and it won't change just because Thaksin isn't the prime minister anymore.
Anyway, not all commodities are negatively affected, sugar for example is on a hike. The rising oil price is the overall excuse for raising prices for almost everything.
Don't forget, Thaksin is still there, he will reign in the background. Too many people were promoted to their current positions by him, so he still got a lot of influence.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Traveler1234,
yep, but that's just the overall economical situation and it won't change just because Thaksin isn't the prime minister anymore.
Anyway, not all commodities are negatively affected, sugar for example is on a hike. The rising oil price is the overall excuse for raising prices for almost everything.
Don't forget, Thaksin is still there, he will reign in the background. Too many people were promoted to their current positions by him, so he still got a lot of influence.[/QUOTE]
Yep, I agree :-)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Baht at 6 1/2 yr high accordingly to WSJ. Exports, eg shrimp, rice, commodities negatively impacted. Got as high as 37.85.
Not sure if it's Thaksin or not but Baht is stronger and it's not an anomaly (just yet).[/QUOTE]
What is the Baht in relation to other currencies? Is the Baht stronger or the dollar weaker?
[QUOTE=Retired Army]What is the Baht in relation to other currencies? Is the Baht stronger or the dollar weaker?[/QUOTE]
Retired Army. Bookmark this page, it is the BKK Post. It is interesting to read, and you have the price of Gold posted each day, AND the exchange rate.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/[/url]
[QUOTE=Retired Army]What is the Baht in relation to other currencies? Is the Baht stronger or the dollar weaker?[/QUOTE]
Not considered key currency, eg US$, Euro, Yen.
Note many Asian currencies, eg RMB, HK$, Ringgit are either fixed or float in very tight band. Others, S$, Peso, Rupiah, Dongyuan all float visavis US$.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Retired Army. Bookmark this page, it is the BKK Post. It is interesting to read, and you have the price of Gold posted each day, AND the exchange rate.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/[/url][/QUOTE]
That is a good website. Beats the Herald Tribune. As I suspected, the dollar weakened against all currencies. Probably due to lack of faith in the new Fed Chairman.
From: [url]http://pattayacitynews.net[/url] today and yesterday
LATEST NEWS
Saturday 22nd April 2006
Important update on the recent murder of a New Zealand National in Pattaya.
An important update now on the story we covered earlier this week regarding the apparent murder of Mr. Stephen Jeffrey Miller aged 40 from New Zealand. He was shot dead as he was riding his motorbike along Soi Petragoon in North Pattaya. The Police investigation into this high profile murder is now being overseen by the regions top Police Officer, Police Lieutenant General Jongrak who is the Police Commander for Region 2. Inside Pattaya Police Station he chaired a meeting which was also attended by representatives from the New Zealand Embassy in Bangkok. In attendance were two of Mr. Miller’s wives, Khun Gintana and Khun Ann who are both assisting Police with their enquiries. It appears that Mr. Miller had four Thai wives. Three of the wives are now known to Police, Khun Gintana and Khun Ann who were at this meeting, Khun Mai, who did not attend and a fourth wife who has currently not been identified. Initial information suggested that Mr. Miller was involved in a court case regarding land and property ownership with Khun Ann. At the meeting she confirmed this to be untrue and Police now tell us that the case relates to a fourth wife who is now being located. The Embassy revealed that Mr. Miller had a previous conviction for illegally taking steroids into New Zealand, but this case had already been cleared. The Police General mentioned that some information cannot be released to the press at this time because it is an ongoing investigation, however they do know the shooter and his accomplice and an arrest is expected to take place shortly. Regarding possible motives for the shooting, Police have three theories which form the basis of their investigation.
1. The murder may be related to the steroid case in New Zealand.
2. It may be business related as Mr. Miller was active in the local property market.
3. It could relate to an ongoing court case with his 4th, as yet unidentified, wife
That’s all we have for now. We will bring any further updates to you when we receive them.
PS:
Original report and graphic photos at [url]http://pattayacitynews.net[/url]
I thought this was funny!
DICTIONARY FOR WOMEN'S PERSONAL ADS:
40-ish................................49
Adventurous.......................Slept with everyone
Athletic..............................No tits
Average looking...................Ugly
Beautiful............................Pathological liar
Contagious Smile.................Does a lot of pills
Emotionally Secure..............On medication
Feminist.............................Fat
Free spirit..........................Junkie
Friendship first....................Former B_itch
Fun...................................Annoying
New-Age...........................Body hair in the wrong places
Old-fashioned.....................No BJs
Open-minded......................Desperate
Outgoing...........................Loud and Embarrassing
Passionate........................Sloppy drunk
Professional.......................B_itch
Voluptuous........................Very Fat
Large frame.......................Hugely Fat
Wants Soul mate................Stalker
WOMEN'S ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
1. Yes = No
2. No = Yes
3. Maybe = No
4. We need = I want..
5. I am sorry = you'll be sorry
6. We need to talk = You're in trouble
7. Sure, go ahead = You better not
8. Do what you want = You will pay for this later
9. I am not upset = Of course I am upset, you moron!
10. You're certainly attentive tonight = Is sex all you ever think
about?
MEN'S ENGLISH TRANSLATION:
1. I am hungry = I am hungry
2. I am sleepy = I am sleepy
3. I am tired = I am tired
4. Nice dress = Nice cleavage!
5. I love you = Let's have sex now
6. I am bored = Do you want to have sex?
7. Would you like to dance? = I'd like to have sex with you
8. Can I call you sometime? = I'd like to have sex with you
9. Do you want to go to a movie? = I'd like to have sex with you
10. Can I take you out to dinner? = I'd like to have sex with you
11. I don't think those shoes go with that outfit = I'm gay
A strange thing happened while writing this post. After pasting this joke into the post, the word b_itch was displayed as ***** . I had to add a space in there to get it visible. I know I can type in the word "fuck" and it won't censor it. I guess that word is more offensive than fuck. Does anybody know what's up with this?
nocbj4me
NoCBJ4me,
there are certain banned words like b i t c h and w h o r e.
Read the Posting guidelines :
"Banned Words:
The words "*****", "*****" and "****" are not allowed because these words are commonly used to denigrate women, and that's not what this website is all about."
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1515[/url]
[QUOTE=The Traveler]there are certain banned words like b i t c h and w h o r e.[/QUOTE]But many of us use those as terms of endearment.
When I call a ***** a ***** it sure feels romantic.
[QUOTE=Coma Boy]But many of us use those as terms of endearment.
When I call a ***** a ***** it sure feels romantic.[/QUOTE]
I hear those are love-words in Texas.
"Dear *****,
I love you more then my pickup truck. That's how much I love you ***"
I will be arriving in Bangkok on the 12th of MAy. I have been informed that it is the Visakha Bucha Day, which is a national holiday. Does this mean that everything is closed (no alcohol serving, shops closed, no action)?
If anyone knows more please advise so I can reschedule my flights.
[QUOTE=DuffyDuck]I will be arriving in Bangkok on the 12th of MAy. I have been informed that it is the Visakha Bucha Day, which is a national holiday. Does this mean that everything is closed (no alcohol serving, shops closed, no action)?
If anyone knows more please advise so I can reschedule my flights.[/QUOTE]
DuffyDuck,
Most bars are closed. But we have a restaurant, so we are open. Our Sports Lounge Inhouse Restaurant :) too. We also serve chicken, dishes and those with two legs only.
Giotto
Thank you Giotto for the information and invitation. I will try to visit you once I arrive in Bangkok
I would like to receive a more general impression of how Bangkok looks on a national holiday. If things are pretty quiet on Visakha Bucha day, then I will arrange to arrive one day later.
I apreciate additional information on the action on this day (massage parlours, bars, clubs, shops etc). Please fellow members post some info so I can alter my flight schedule.
Giotto, Thank you for the information and the invitation. I will visit you once I am in Bangkok.
I would like to receive some further information on how Bangkok looks on national holidays. Is everything closed and open venues is only the exception? How is the action on the national holiday Visakha Bucha Day.
Can one find bars, MP shops open or everything is closed that day.
Any of you fellow members leaving in Thailand can share the kowledge so I can reschedule flights, while there is still time.
OK, I'm embarrassed to ask this question on this forum, but I am going to anyway.
I am very fussy when it comes to leather wallets and leather belts. I am in the market for both now.
Besides the thousands of street stalls selling leather wallets and belts, all of which I find of poor quality and design, but cheap, is there any store where good quality leather goods can be found in BKK? The stuff available in street stalls is crap.
Thanks.
TKM.
I am planning an extended stay in BKK the end of May from New York City, and have about 80lbs of clothing in 3 cartons I want to ship Surface Parcel Post which usually takes 4-6 weeks to arrive. Problem is I will be in Phuket and several of the other beach regions for the 1st 4 weeks, and have no long term address in Bangkok as of yet to label the cartons for shipping.
I know the GPO in BKK does hold letters and small parcels addressed to General Delivery 'Poste Restante' for up to 90 days, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they also hold cartons of that weight. Otherwise any other suggestions would be appreciated.
[QUOTE=Worldtravlr]I am planning an extended stay in BKK the end of May from New York City, and have about 80lbs of clothing in 3 cartons I want to ship Surface Parcel Post which usually takes 4-6 weeks to arrive. Problem is I will be in Phuket and several of the other beach regions for the 1st 4 weeks, and have no long term address in Bangkok as of yet to label the cartons for shipping.
I know the GPO in BKK does hold letters and small parcels addressed to General Delivery 'Poste Restante' for up to 90 days, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they also hold cartons of that weight. Otherwise any other suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
I know you are a newcomer, but this is a sex forum. Try the UPS/Fedex/DHL chat rooms.
[QUOTE=The Kman]OK, I'm embarrassed to ask this question on this forum, but I am going to anyway.TKM.[/QUOTE]
You should be shot for asking this in a sex forum. But then leather is an integral part of sex (Eden comes to mind). However, Thailand is not known for leather goods. Try Indonesia.
[QUOTE=Worldtravlr]I am planning an extended stay in BKK the end of May from New York City, and have about 80lbs of clothing in 3 cartons I want to ship Surface Parcel Post which usually takes 4-6 weeks to arrive. Problem is I will be in Phuket and several of the other beach regions for the 1st 4 weeks, and have no long term address in Bangkok as of yet to label the cartons for shipping.
I know the GPO in BKK does hold letters and small parcels addressed to General Delivery 'Poste Restante' for up to 90 days, but I was wondering if anyone knows if they also hold cartons of that weight. Otherwise any other suggestions would be appreciated.[/QUOTE]
To Worldtrav - suggest you post your query on flyertalk.com > forum > travel and dining thread - which is one of the best travel sites. You'll get a very quick answer from some of the resident experts there.
Duni - i can tell you're getting horny by your replies....time to visit LOS again! I'll be there end of this month and staying hopefully at Giotto's. LOL
Hi,
Friday 5th May is Buddha's Birthday & a national holiday in Hong Kong. I'm heading to Bangkok for a(nother) short break. Is it a holiday in LOS & will everywhere be closed ?
Kens.
Traveler1234
Yup, you are right. I will be there May 18-20 staying at Giotto's. Looks like he has a fun place and convinced me to try it. Beers on me and any other ISG members who can show up (18th & 19th only).
That goes for you too Poster wherever you are.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Traveler1234
Yup, you are right. I will be there May 18-20 staying at Giotto's. Looks like he has a fun place and convinced me to try it. Beers on me and any other ISG members who can show up (18th & 19th only).
That goes for you too Poster wherever you are.[/QUOTE]
We'll miss each other. But 1Ball and/or Piper1 might be around at giotto's
Can any of you fellow members really help me out. I will be passing transit from Bangkok and I have decided to stay for a couple of days. Unfortunatelly I am arriving on Visakha Bucha Day
I have posted the same quetion also yesterday, but I have been more confused.
Eventually, what is the case on Visakha Bucha Day. Will we get some action in Bangkok or do we have to postpone our arrival for a couple of days.
[QUOTE=DuffyDuck]Can any of you fellow members really help me out. I will be passing transit from Bangkok and I have decided to stay for a couple of days. Unfortunatelly I am arriving on Visakha Bucha Day
I have posted the same quetion also yesterday, but I have been more confused.
Eventually, what is the case on Visakha Bucha Day. Will we get some action in Bangkok or do we have to postpone our arrival for a couple of days.[/QUOTE]
DuffiDuck,
you can never be sure, but normally the gogo's are closed on Buddha days, most of the bars too (if they not sell food), English Pubs are open and selling alcohol (since years), 50 % of the massage places are closed, because the ladies show respect to Buddha.
This year it seams to be taken a bit easier than normal: we got the advice from our friends on brown not to show bottles on the tables (if you understand what I mean, otherwise PM me).
Giotto
[QUOTE=Kens14]Hi,
Friday 5th May is Buddha's Birthday & a national holiday in Hong Kong. I'm heading to Bangkok for a(nother) short break. Is it a holiday in LOS & will everywhere be closed ?
Kens.[/QUOTE]
We just checked it. It is a "small" holiday, banks etc. are closed, but bars are open and alcohol is sold. We did not get any information from the police up to now, and this normally happens, if we cannot sell alcohol.
Giotto
Thank you Giotto!
Hi,
I'm planning on bringing my laptop to Thailand with me. On it there are some videos, etc (nothing illegal in the UK, btw). However just want to double check I will should be OK entering Thailand with it. For example if they do decide to check the contents of my laptop, will there be trouble in store for me?
Thanks
I am a photgrapher and went through customs with a camera bag and laptop, no one asked to see my bags. In fact, he just wanted to see my passport and asked how long I was planning to stay. The whole process took less than 5 minutes.
[QUOTE=The World]Hi,
I'm planning on bringing my laptop to Thailand with me. On it there are some videos, etc (nothing illegal in the UK, btw). However just want to double check I will should be OK entering Thailand with it. For example if they do decide to check the contents of my laptop, will there be trouble in store for me?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Thanks to information gleaned on this forum, before leaving Oz I arranged for some dental treatment whilst I am in BKK.
Well today I trotted off to the Dental Hospital (run by the King's dentist apparently) at Soi 49 and was extremely pleasantly surprised.
[url]http://www.dentalhospitalbangkok.com[/url]
Without going into the gory details the treatment was better than anything else I have experienced in the world. That includes the US, UK, Australia, NZ, China and India.
Hygienic, efficient, thorough, timely, farang friendly, very bloody cheap, professional and fast are all words that more than adequately describe my experience. In short, what I had done cost a total of 3600 Baht. I got a quote for the same treatment in Australia before I left and was quoted A$1500. Get your currency converters out to work out the difference!
The staff there even dealt effectively with a very rude American (I assume expat) who demanded to be treated today even though she didn't make an appointment and there was no emergency. Her winning line was "Well what have you got on today that is more important than providing me with good service!". She was a real winner that one. Some people should have their passport revoked on the grounds that they are idiots, and they should NEVER be allowed out of their own country.
If I do have one beef, it is with the map they send you when you make a booking. It doesn't adequately represent where the dental hospital is located. My driver (a Thai local) couldn't even find it. In the end we were just lucky enough to stumble across it. I pointed that out at reception and they agreed, so I assume it will be changed.
All in all, thanks to board members who provided the initial advice. My mouth and bank balance are most appreciative.
TKM
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Traveler1234
Yup, you are right. I will be there May 18-20 staying at Giotto's. Looks like he has a fun place and convinced me to try it. Beers on me and any other ISG members who can show up (18th & 19th only).
That goes for you too Poster wherever you are.[/QUOTE]
Hey Duniawala,
I return May 16 (am in Bucharest of all places now), and actually plan to hang around for a while. Have been reading about Giotto's but haven't been down there yet. See you on the 18th/19th.
-Y
I've gotten great advice from the board, especially learning about Livingstone's Lodge. I'm planning my return trip for the first or second week next month. Any one else planning to be at Giotto's around the same time?
Pool Guy
[QUOTE=Pool Guy]I've gotten great advice from the board, especially learning about Livingstone's Lodge. I'm planning my return trip for the first or second week next month. Any one else planning to be at Giotto's around the same time?
Pool Guy[/QUOTE]
I am most likely in Livingstone's that time :) !
Giotto
I thought I would put my impressions on record of my fifth Bangkok visit. They may be useful to some, but useless to others. Get out it what you can.
A little about me so you can create your framework for the report. I am a 40 year old monger of independent means. I am not Bill Gates certainly, but I’m not on the bones of my arse either. I don’t like getting ripped off, but I am not going haggle with some poor Thai girl over 1000 Baht for anything. Christ they need it more than me. So if any response includes “You paid too much and are putting up the price for the rest of us”. My response will be “Stiff shit!”.
Flights – Fortunately I don’t have to pay for my airfares. However I still have to deal with getting from the airport to Suk by cab. My flight arrived at midnight on Monday. Regular readers of the forum will know that the best way to get a cab from the airport is to go upstairs to departures after getting your luggage instead of catching a cab from the booth at the front of arrivals. Just the time I need to get a cab quickly, the Tourist Police were at Departures preventing cabs from picking up passengers, forcing them to go downstairs again to the booth at arrivals. No big deal I thought, just a matter of going downstairs and picking one up I thought. Well fuck me! When I arrived downstairs the line extended about 150 meters from the booth with cabs turning up every 5 or 10 minutes or so. This turned out to be a looong wait.
Eventually (like 90 minutes) it was my turn for a cab. Pleasant clean cab, with a driver who knew no English, and knew even less about his way around BKK. Apparently this is not unusual lately as country farmers are coming to BKK to make some money as their crops are rooted this year. With years of enjoying a good joint, my memory has got a little frazzled, but I was still able to direct him via finger pointing gestures and giggles where we were to go.
There were many touts trying to get business by asking exorbitant sums of money to take passengers to wherever they had to go, but for some reason touts anywhere [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off so I decided to be stubborn and wait. And wait. And wait. I think you get my idea.
Accommodation – Unfortunately again I don’t pay for my hotels. I do have to book them though. Generally I find that going straight to the hotels web site will reveal a better deal than going through places like Travel-O-City, Wotif and Lastminute.com’s. If there is going to be a difference, it will be small and not worth the bandwidth chasing the deal. I did a little experiment when booking a hotel for this trip. I got a quote from each of the following sources for my stay from 26 April – 3 May 2006 (6 days); A travel agent, Wotif.com, priceline.com, Lastminute.com, the QANTAS web page and my hotel’s web page. After comparing apples with apples, the total cost difference between the highest price and lowest price was a measly 1500 Baht over the 6 days! Get your currency converters out, but just not worth the time and effort. IMHO just select a 3-4 star hotel and book it through their web site and move on.
As for what hotel you select, I am in no position to provide advice, as I have to use certain chains (President’s in BKK). Most mongers would be happy with 3 – 4 star quality, and when you think about it, you don’t spend much time in your hotel anyway.
The mongering scene - Hasn’t changed much over the years has it? Same old bullshit that gives most of us the shit’s after a few days. A massage parlour here, a freelancer overthere, a dildo up your ass at Eden. When it’s all said and done, it’s all been done before. Nothing is new. The best advice I can give is go to an establishment that your research indicated provides what you are looking for. Don’t listen to one off reports that says a place is shit, or one place is great. People write things to suit their own imaginations sometimes. Just use your judgement, do a very minimal amount of research, and take each experience as it comes. If you want someone lick out your ass, go to Eden or Akane. If you want a soapie (christ knows why!) go to Darling’s or Annie’s. You know what I mean. The specific advice people provide on this forum is great, but you need to remember that you may not be able to replicate that experience and it would be naive of you to expect to be able to do so.
Go Go’s – Generally they are not my cup of tea, however I was entertaining a client so had to partake. I reckon if I see one more foreign object protruding out of a females vagina one more time, I will pewk. Other than the novelty value, I just cannot see what people get out of it. It scares the hell out of me what the people who enjoy this stuff must be like in the privacy of their own homes. I personally find it repulsive and degrading to the women, but hey, each to their own. No one is holding a gun to the heads of the ladies making them do it.
The best shows I found were at Soi Cowboy at the Long Gun bar. There I was able to see a girl pull a 10 ft string of flowers from her twat, smoke a cigarette with her twat and a cigar with her ass, and of course blow out candles from a cake. Also on show was a woman shooting darts from a blow pipe at a stack of balloons and the now obligatory ping-pong ball trick. All old, now boring, and certainly not erotic.
I did go to the alternatives at Patpong and Nana, but in the cold light of day, all these places are interchangeable not really my cup of tea.
Bars – Personally I didn’t find the Biergarten on Soi 7 as bad as I had read on this forum. Yes it is full of hookers of various shapes and sizes, but I was expecting an ugly fest. To my surprise there were some gems and a few cuties when I got there at 3.00pm. The ugliest thing about the place is all the middle aged, fat, bald, loud, ill-mannered mongers that frequent it. The way that some of these men (and I use that word loosely) treat the women was disgusting. Yes they are hookers, yes they get paid to fuck, yes some of them aren’t the best looking, but they are still people and they deserve our respect. Most (sorry to generalise) of the mongers there think they are Brad Pitt or the like from their attitude, and treat the women like dirt. Please guys, if you don’t like the look of the girl who approaches you, just say you are not interested. There is no need to try and humiliate her in front of your/her friends and make yourself look like a hero a long way from home. It is this sort of conduct at that probably led you to BKK in the first place, knowing you can get away with it.
Soi 33 – Without going into too much detail, but this place is a gem. Bars that don’t often feature in these type of forums, but are well worth the trip. Variety is aplenty and the girls are much less pushy. Well worth a try.
As an aside, I learnt a lesson during a trip to Soi33. Pickup up a girl from Renior’s (if my memory serves me correct). Naa (I think) was her name. Had seen around her over a couple of days and this woman was simply stunning. One thing I couldn’t work out was that everytime I entered the bar I got the usual wai from the other girls, but this woman would give me the look of death whenever I walked in. I couldn’t work out why. She gave me the impression that she hated my guts. I am unable to put together the words to describe this ladies beauty. She was tall (about 5’11”), slim, perfect breasts, legs to die for and a face that is equal to anything I have seen anywhere. Her skin was perfect. This girl was quite simply stunning, and she hated my guts.
Well one night I got to chatting to this lady, who had almost no English and even one-on-one she gave me the impression she hated my guts. What better way to resolve this was to take her back to my room I thought. Thought about LT (4000B), but the little man in my head was ringing a bell, so ST (2000B) was the go. She went back inside got changed and came back AN HOUR LATER! Not a good start but I remained cool. This is Thailand after all.
Got back to the hotel and she headed straight to the bathroom and ran the bath, good start I thought. Then she got in and proceeded give herself a nice old treatment, locking the door behind her. Making herself pretty I assumed. Wrong! 30 minutes later she got out with a towel wrapped around her and went straight to the bar fridge. It really pissed her off that there was nothing left in it as I asked the hotel to stop stocking it for my stay. Then she nearly exploded when she couldn’t find the remote control for the TV. Experience tells you that you must hide the remote if you are taking a P4P girl to your room.
I tried to explain that we were here to fuck, and fucking we would do. So I had a shower and came back out. Whilst I was in the shower she had to resort to using the TV manually and boy was she pissed off. I came out of the shower in a towel and got on the bed expecting her to start the action. All she did was lay at arm’s distance, put her hand under my towel and tried to jack me off. All the time wearing her towel. Now it was me getting pissed off. I pushed her hand away and tried to ask her why she hated me so much.
It turned out, as best I could understand, that she hates all Western men and what they are doing in her country. She also thinks her beauty entitles her to a better lot in life and she is only doing this to get money together to make a better life for herself. Great but I tried to point out that if she was a little more charming and accommodating towards her potential customer base, she may well make a lot more money a lot faster and would be able to leave the industry sooner. That little pearl of common sense escaped her.
To cut a long story short I told her to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off, gave her the money and she left. Believe it or not, what pissed her off the most was that I wouldn’t tip her at the end. Fuck if she only knew that I was thinking about not paying her at all and taking her back to the bar to complain. Couldn’t be fucked and put it all down to an experience.
Another note to self – Don’t go with model quality hookers. Bad attitudes may lay under the surface.
There was other mongering experiences had during my stay but you have heard them all before. Nothing new from me I’m afraid.
In summary, BKK is great. Do some general research on the net but don’t take it literally. Read about the experiences others have had, but do not expect to replicate them exactly. Some people write bullshit to massage their own ego’s, some people exaggerate their own experiences for reasons known only to themselves, and some people with excellent experiences don’t bother writing anything at all.
Come to Bangkok, enjoy yourself, behave yourself, remember that it is you who is the outsider and respect the Thai culture.
Time to do some work.
TKM
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that somebody will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue][/size]
The Kman,
great report.
Conclusion: Never take a girl from the first line.
Giotto
Yep, I agree, great report. I am also stubborn in that way where I don't like getting taken advantage of by the airport taxi touts but I do give honest taxi drivers a bigger tip. Think I will give the Painter bars a try this next trip.
Kman,
Why you would go with a girl that obviously 'hates your guts' is beyond me. At least you don't complain too much about that stupidity.
"Another note to self – Don’t go with model quality hookers. Bad attitudes may lay under the surface." - A little RTFF would have warned you about that - "love is not only blind, but deaf..."
I haven't had the slightest problem with taxi drivers in BKK in the past two years after I started to use them again*. At the airport, just walk out to the main road and flag one down - be sure its red light is on!
[size=-2]*Had a few too many problems in the mid nineties...[/size]
Kman,
Interesting report and certainly foolish.
The reason why she acted the way she did the whole night was for you to get pissed off and throw her out... did you think about that? I mean, if you look at it from her perspective, the whole thing was perfect... she alledgedly stroked your dick and got paid 2000 bath for it.
Sorry, but you gave her yet another reason to continue behaving the way she did.
When this happends, you need to give her a choice :
1. we fuck and you get your 2000
2. we don't fuck and you get out now wit 0
This was a mutual business agreement, the terms were she Fucks you ST and you pay 2000.
I fail to understand why many Farangs (yes, there are many in the same situation) let their BG get away with that attitude... let alone promote it by paying... you wouldn't take that crap while in your home country so why do it in Thailand?
Good report by the way, I like your writing style ;)
first off, let me apologise as since im not posting a report. just getting ready for my bangkok trip, im going to be there for 3 nights in july. any tips/advise would helps (regarding mongering that is!!)
im also interested in getting some action with white women (russians.. whatever).
godspeed!
If you tell us which reports you have already read, we might be able to tell you what information more you need. can't be much!.
Kman,
that is a great report, you capture so well many of the negative experiences that so many of us have had in Thailand. I'm not going to flame you for the problems with the starlet, I've made the same mistake in my past, learned my lesson and will never do it again. I have two key thoughts on this - one is that pussy's generally all look the same when turned up side down and the girls on all fours - so try not to be too taken by the girls looks in the bar.Secondly, attitude is so much more important than looks. A good fuck comes from a girl with a good attitude, you will enjoy it more and it will be much more memorable. I look for attitude first and foremost always. As you said, we shouldn't dehumanise the girls, many of them want a good time as well and they try to pick guys they think that they'll click with just as much as we try to pick based on looks.
As such, I try to avoid the stunning model types - they get come ons all the time and if they're not giving me positive vibes then I know what the outcome will be (as you found out). In many ways I agree with your girl's comments re. our behaviour in her country. Further, it's the Thai guys acquiescence which surprises me. I often think that if hordes of Asians were come to a W.European or N.American country, with much much more money than the locals and have sex with our young and beautiful women how would we react ? I see how people react in Britain when migrants come, work hard, keep their heads down, keep themselves to themselves and act humbly. If they were to act as we act in LOS there'd be a very high level of violence on the streets.
An interesting aside, one of the girls in BKK told me last night that there are so many women out working at the moment as schools go back next week and they all have to pay the school fees for their kids !
Interesting,
[QUOTE=Snookynic] Sorry, but you gave her yet another reason to continue behaving the way she did.
When this happends, you need to give her a choice :
1. we fuck and you get your 2000
2. we don't fuck and you get out now wit 0
[/QUOTE]
That’s the way to go.
If you pay her after doing nothing you are encouraging her to continue with the same scam on and on.
Don’t pay her and she will learn the lesson, and after a few lessons she will either improve her attitude or go out of business.
[quote=wadzilla]first off, let me apologise as since im not posting a report. just getting ready for my bangkok trip, im going to be there for 3 nights in july. any tips/advise would helps (regarding mongering that is!!)
im also interested in getting some action with white women (russians.. whatever).
godspeed![/quote]
man, why eat a hotdog when you're in a french resaurant? myself, i would get all the lbfm's i could while in the land of.
[QUOTE=Catmonger]Man, why eat a hotdog when you're in a French resaurant? Myself, I would get all the LBFM's I could while in the land of.[/QUOTE]You might want to see this post for some insight:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=461437#post461437[/url]
I had a great time staying and learning of places through Livingstone's Lodge. You might want to read Giotto's lodge in Bangkok, or better yet stop by the sports bar and ask the Master Giotto himself.
Pool Guy
[QUOTE=Pool Guy]You might want to see this post for some insight:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=461437#post461437[/url]
I had a great time staying and learning of places through Livingstone's Lodge. You might want to read Giotto's lodge in Bangkok, or better yet stop by the sports bar and ask the Master Giotto himself.
Pool Guy[/QUOTE]
I've heard of 'Russian' imports but have had lots of western women already. I like the sweet little brown ones myself. To each his own, but I think they're the sweetest.
[QUOTE=Pool Guy]You might want to see this post for some insight:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=461437#post461437[/url]
I had a great time staying and learning of places through Livingstone's Lodge. You might want to read Giotto's lodge in Bangkok, or better yet stop by the sports bar and ask the Master Giotto himself.
Pool Guy[/QUOTE]
I do not really understand what all this has to do with Livingstone's Lodge, but let me clarify, that there are NO RUSSIANS working here, and there never will.
I personally don't understand why people are asking for Russian girls in Thailand - if you want Russions you should travel to Moscow.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]I personally don't understand why people are asking for Russian girls in Thailand - if you want Russions you should travel to Moscow.[/QUOTE]Point noted.
Not exactly asking for Russians. I was inquiring what the current scenario in Bangkok is. I have no issues with thai women and probably will spend sometime with them. Just checking my options ;)
@ tiger1 : I've been reading up a bit here and there and did some browsing in the picture gallery. No specific reports as such. But I will start taking notes of things and post back here :)
[QUOTE=Giotto]I do not really understand what all this has to do with Livingstone's Lodge, but let me clarify, that there are NO RUSSIANS working here, and there never will.
I personally don't understand why people are asking for Russian girls in Thailand - if you want Russions you should travel to Moscow.
Giotto[/QUOTE]Giotto,
I meant that you ONLY have SWEET TGs at Livingstones. Also, you have the expertise on how things are done, and why would you go to the Land of Smiles for Russians? Especially for the reasons posted in Evil's note.
Pool Guy
For those of you interested in chasing Uni girls... Read:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/05/12/headlines/headlines_30003878.php[/url]
:p
juices
Has anyone had experience with the "friendship networking" sites for meeting TGs?
I sent out about 40 emails two nights ago. Currently have 9 repsonses ranging from, "tell me more, maybe we can meet" to "yes please, let's meet".
A fellow ISG member cautioned me that some of the girls are hookers (yep, a few are obvious, and I didn't email them). Others seem genuine - nurses, uni students, social workers, teachers, secretaries, etc. I pitch for the older gals (25 to 33). The site I used isn't a paid site, and not really a dating site either - more of a "friendship network", but girls still like to meet guys (hopefully for more than a bit of friendship. ;)) I've been lucky with it in other countries. Anyone had "sexcess" with these sites in LOS?
[QUOTE=Piper1]Has anyone had experience with the "friendship networking" sites for meeting TGs?
I sent out about 40 emails two nights ago. Currently have 9 repsonses ranging from, "tell me more, maybe we can meet" to "yes please, let's meet".
A fellow ISG member cautioned me that some of the girls are hookers (yep, a few are obvious, and I didn't email them). Others seem genuine - nurses, uni students, social workers, teachers, secretaries, etc. I pitch for the older gals (25 to 33). The site I used isn't a paid site, and not really a dating site either - more of a "friendship network", but girls still like to meet guys (hopefully for more than a bit of friendship. ;)) I've been lucky with it in other countries. Anyone had "sexcess" with these sites in LOS?[/QUOTE]
I've had tons of success. As a matter of fact, I met a 21-year-old girl yesterday after a few chats online, and shagged her (or more's the point, she shagged me) five times today. She showed up at my room this morning at 10 am and left at 3. She's just a regular TG. I even went with her to put in her medical report at her new job today with UFM Fuji Superstore. Her brother is a cop, her uncle runs a travel agency beside Panthip Plaza. She seems to have money and wasn't looking for anything from me...wouldn't even take taxi fare. She gave a beggar 100 baht last night when we were out.
On Wednesday, I met another, a 26 years old from Ubon who I've chatted with for about a month and who was in town visiting a friend and wanted to meet. She stayed over at my place Wednesday night and I went back to her friend's place yesterday morning and I went to meet the 21-year-old in the afternoon.
Nowadays, I meet most of my women this way and have had lots of success.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]For those of you interested in chasing Uni girls... Read:
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/05/12/headlines/headlines_30003878.php[/url]
:p
juices[/QUOTE]
This story appears every year at this time. It's totally true. Uniforms are getting skimpier all the time. But, it doesn't translate into easily available shag material. In most cases, it's just appearance. Uni girls like to look sexy, act sexy and flirt. But, in most cases, that's as far as it goes.
Piper1
Pardon my ignorance but what's a "friendship networking" site. Can you post some sample names/links?
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Piper1
Pardon my ignorance but what's a "friendship networking" site. Can you post some sample names/links?[/QUOTE]
An example that I use from time to time is Bangkok Chat. There are lots of others.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]... I met a 21-year-old girl yesterday after a few chats online, and shagged her five times today. An example that I use from time to time is Bangkok Chat. There are lots of others.[/QUOTE]I've been lucky with friendster.com and hi5.com - obviously not as lucky as OTH - I usually only get four shags a day. ;)
These sites are not as full-on as sex or dating sites, but a lot of "respectable" girls will post profiles saying they want to "meet friends" - often a euphemism for "I wanna man now! (but talk to me nice first)"
Here is a website for finding girls on the net. You will have to spend some time searching and approaching the girls you want to meet. I have done it before with success but now I don't find it worth it any longer as it can take a lot of time which I don't have. :)
[url]http://www.thailandfriends.com/index.php[/url]
juices
Juice,
Thanks for the site - might check it out, but you're right. Very time consuming. Good if you live there. I have five definite "dates" so far (now I have to narrow it down) including a little cutie obviously desperate to come to Dubai. Why do they always have an ulterior motive? They should love me for who I am.
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/05/10/national/national_30003697.php[/url]
CHAT-ROOM TRAGEDY
Pakistani national held over brutal slaying of female teacher
handcuffed Pakistani national Mohammad Arif after being apprehended in a hotel room where blood-stained clothes were found.
A first encounter after chats on the Web leads to horrible murder; suspect said to have confessed during questioning
A tentative meeting with a new friend met through an Internet chat service, was apparently what led to English teacher Dissanee Thongnarkthae's murder.
Hua Mak Police on Monday night arrested a Pakistani man suspected of killing the Thai woman and dismembering her.
Maj-General Witthaya Kosiyasathit, chief of Metropolitan Police Division 4 who is supervising the case, quoted Mohammad Arif as saying he had killed the victim in a fit of rage after she was rude to him about using someone else's picture during the Internet chat, and lying about his nationality. According to Arif's confession, Dissanee had demanded that he pay for her air ticket home. "She turned angry when he refused to give her the money, an argument ensued, and the man killed her," said the officer quoting Arif's confession.
The officers said that Arif, now in police custody, initially protested his innocence, despite significant evidence found in his hotel room, including Dissanee's ID card and a large amount of blood.
Major Somphob Lekklang, an investigating officer from Hua Mak station, said Arif then gave conflicting information, by confessing to killing the victim, after joint questioning by Pakistani embassy staff and police investigators, then later retracting his account.
Forensic tests are underway to determine whether the blood found on the premises matches the deceased, whose head, arms and right leg were later found near a petrol station close to the Ratchadaphisek-Lat Phrao intersection. The victim's torso, cut into two halves, was found dumped off Soi Ramkhamhaeng 24 on Monday night.
Acting on a tip-off from a taxi driver, police obtained a search warrant and entered a room at Racha Palace Hotel on Soi Ratchadaphisek 14 where they found Arif, along with evidence including blood in the bathroom and on the carpet of the room, and women's shoes and clothing.
Other items found in the room included a butcher's knife and two chopping knives, a toy pistol and a travel bag with bar-coded tags attached that matched the barcodes on the two travel bags found containing the body parts.
Police said Arif had admitted that the items belonged to Dissanee, whom he claimed that he had sex with the night before, but that she had later disappeared. The police officer said that Arif said he had met Dissanee at an online chat site about a month ago, and that she had travelled to Bangkok on Sunday to meet him at a coffee shop. Police later escorted the suspect to his room at an apartment building in Soi Lat Phrao 23 where they found a pair of jeans soaked with blood.
The Criminal Court approved the arrest warrant and granted custodian authority to Hua Mak police after receiving the initial evidence report.
Witthaya said he believed the police had been lucky, because the unnamed taxi driver who had earlier collected Arif from the hotel, tuned into the Jor Sor 100 traffic radio shortly after the body parts were discovered.
[QUOTE=Chris Norton]Old Thai Hand,
You are a 50 year plus old man and can shag 5 times a day (in 5 hours too?), get outta here with that. Try to keep it real Pops, don't embellish![/QUOTE]
Who the hell are you?
I don't give a fuck if you believe me or not. I'm in good shape, I work out 5 times a week and can manage it, easily. If you need testimonials, I'll happily provide them from girls that know me. This is why I can get 21-year-old girls...because I have this capacity. Maybe you can't. That's your problem. I don't need to embellish because after all, nobody knows me. Who really cares? So, I have nothing to prove to anyone. And...on top of everything... you have a mere 2 posts....pretty cheeky from a newbie who doesn't know shit about Thailand or me, for that matter.
Piper
I just found your take on it
funny. So, I'll leave you alone on this one. LOL
Hey Chris Norton I am generally not into bragging but if opportunity arose I could also do 5 in a day. I recently did 3 in a few hours, and I am no spring chicken. I have no doubt that OTH is capable of these feats if he is in good shape. Perhaps you are a little jealous that you are not getting that kind of poontang, Huh Chris.
The thing of it Mr. Norton if you are not a Brad Pitt or a really good looking dude then being in shape is - working out at least 4 - 5 times a week. I work out 3-4 times a week, dropped 12 kilos in 18 months. Try it out. Its as good as Viagra or even better - I know that its makes a guy damn horny, all this exercise.
Girls don't only want money, if you look disgusting and smell as bad as you look your chances of scoring with younger, good looking women go to hell.
As for Piper he is a phenomenon in his own right.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand] Piper, I just found your take on it - funny. So, I'll leave you alone on this one. LOL[/QUOTE]It's an old joke - will tell the full version if we meet. I don't doubt that a guy can shag five times in five hours. But maybe not every day.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Chris Norton, I don't give a fuck if you believe me or not. If you need testimonials, I'll happily provide them [/QUOTE]No, please don't show us your testimonials. That's just a bit too intimate. ____________________________________
Buzz - Thanks, but I just post my tasteful pics and write about the fun side of a mongerer's life (without fail, something intereresting always happens when I hunt for or take a girl home - all good fun). Come to Dubai one day - you're not very far away.
Phenomenal is Wicked Roger in Abu Dhabi. I had drinks with him tonight, neither of us intending to pick up a gal due to our busy work schedules, but the horny bastard couldn't help himself. Don't know how he does it. Will post a report on the Abu Dhabi thread soon. By the way, he works out. Maybe I should get back into it.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]This story appears every year at this time. It's totally true. Uniforms are getting skimpier all the time. But, it doesn't translate into easily available shag material. In most cases, it's just appearance. Uni girls like to look sexy, act sexy and flirt. But, in most cases, that's as far as it goes.[/QUOTE]Uni girls and also office girls wear skimpy clothes where I come from, too bad for me most weigh 200+ lbs (90+Kgs)!
Withdrawing from the beautiful TGs,
Pool Guy
[QUOTE=Piper1]It's an old joke - will tell the full version if we meet. Just a bit of fun. I don't doubt that a guy can shag five times in five hours. But maybe not every day.
LOL. Ya. possibly not every day. Today I am hung over and she wants to come to my place at a 11 am to take "care" of me. I'm not sure I could manage that capacity again today. But, maybe. You should see this girl's body! I think Lazurus, himself would wake from the dead and manage 5 times. if he got a look at her...not to mention that she's one of the best shags I've had in years, which is saying something.
I think that a contributing factor to frequency for any guy would be how hot the girl is, how horny she is, how talented she is, and how enthusiastic she is.
My record, btw is 10 times in 12 hours. That was with one of my former students 3 years ago who was the #1 best shag I ever had in my life. The girl was absolutely wild and was quite adept at making me rise to the occasion over and over again.
I'll be arriving in Bangkok next week for my first visit, though I'm an experienced monger in other locations (mostly US, but also Amsterdam, Manila, Shanghai, and Mexican border towns).
I've read the forum (or much of it -- there's a lot of posts), but I'm just curious what advice you would give a first-timer in Bangkok such as myself. I'll have only two or three evenings and maybe Saturday afternoon (though I'll want to do some regular tourist stuff too).
I'll be staying at the Royal Orchid, which appears to be fairly close to the Sukhamvit (sp?) areas. Should I concentrate my limited time there?
Any help will be greatly appreciated, and I'll post my experiences for the benefit of other newcomers.
Thanks.
bro azil,
plenty to do in bkk and not much time to do it in, such is a life of a monger.
1) make sure your hotel is near the action (or at least near a subway station) as traffic in bkk is bad--depending on time of day, you could spend your entire vacation sitting in a taxi going from one end of city to the other.
2)if you like the bar scene, and hotel near sukimvit rd, then look no further than nana plaza, and even walking distance to soi cowboy (about 25min walk)-another mongers delight.
3)all out fantasy with 2 gals to do whatever your sick mind can think of: go to eden club, 5min walk from nana plaza
4)all the famous bkk massage parlors are rep001ter all over the city and best to read the forum as info on this is just too much to mention in one post.
5)sw are everywhere at nite along sukimvit rd and prices will vary by time and looks. but beware: alot of ladyboys also out at nite in these areas.
have fun bro
pt
Azil, the Royal orchid is a very nice hotel, and though it might look close to the action on a map, it is not. It is also not on the BTS (sky train) line, so getting around is not as convenient.
If your company is not paying for the hotel, and you have not pre paid, I would suggest switching to the JW Marriott. 2 minutes from the action, very GF, and about the same quality as the Orchid.
If you are still around saturday night, meet a bunch of ISG derelicts at Giotto's, (see Giotto's lodge in BKK thread), or PM me for more info on that.
PT:
Thank you. Based on what I've read here, it seems the Royal Orchid is a friendly place, so I'm guessing I can bring a streetwalker back there.
I'll probably try the Eden, I enjoy anal occasionally and it's so tough getting it most places. Is Eden in the ~2000 baht range that I see mentioned often here, or is it higher because of the special services?
1Ball:
Thanks. I have no choice about the Royal Orchid, unfortunately.
I'll check out Giotto's and get in touch when I know for sure what next Saturday will be like for me (it somewhat depends on the biz situation).
[QUOTE=Azil]
I'll probably try the Eden, I enjoy anal occasionally and it's so tough getting it most places. Is Eden in the ~2000 baht range that I see mentioned often here, or is it higher because of the special services?[/QUOTE]
It is 2,000 Baht, PER GIRL, once the dust has settled, depending on the time of day.
[QUOTE=1Ball]It is 2,000 Baht, PER GIRL, once the dust has settled, depending on the time of day.[/QUOTE]
3500 for the girls plus your drink and a tip if you feel like it.
So 4,000 Bht is the right amount.
If you going for the anal go early as the girls wont be as used.
Azil,
Eden Club policy is MUST book 2 gals at same time so thats why prices may seem like double. But worth the price as 90min with 2 gals to do whatever you want.
PT
Will be in Bangkok soon, and looking to have some suits made. Can any one give me a ballpark U.S. Dollar value on having one made? Or even recommend a tailor.
[QUOTE=rodmanj]Will be in Bangkok soon, and looking to have some suits made. Can any one give me a ballpark U.S. Dollar value on having one made? Or even recommend a tailor.[/QUOTE]
Umm... read the FAQ.
-Y
[QUOTE=rodmanj]Will be in Bangkok soon, and looking to have some suits made. Can any one give me a ballpark U.S. Dollar value on having one made? Or even recommend a tailor.[/QUOTE]
The best tailor is Raja's at the entrance to Nana Entertainment Plaza. A good quality suit will set you back $250.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]The best tailor is Raja's at the entrance to Nana Entertainment Plaza. A good quality suit will set you back $250.[/QUOTE]
Retired Army,
I disagree. Careful with this tailor.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Yi Ren]Umm... read the FAQ.
-Y[/QUOTE]
Thanks Yi Ren,
But the FAQ post is 4 years old. I think things have changed or maybe inflation has happened. Hence the post.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Retired Army,
I disagree. Careful with this tailor.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
What is the problem? I have had wonderful service from Raja's. Granted he is a little more expensive, but not much for what you get. All the BKK tailors use the same sweatshops to make their clothes. It's the quality of the fabric each shop has and the service that makes the difference. It's how they measure and provide service after the sale.
Just go to Raja's any afternoon about 5 p.m. and you will see that he is very popular.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]All the BKK tailors use the same sweatshops to make their clothes. It's the quality of the fabric each shop has and the service that makes the difference. It's how they measure and provide service after the sale.[/QUOTE]
The alternative is to go to a local Thai shop with its own in-house staff. Years ago my friend and I went to an Indian shop near our hotel on Sukhumvit Soi 13. Oh, yeah, the guy was friendly, helpful, and accommodating to our needs. Heck, he even got us into Ambassador Hotel at a substantial discount. When it's too good to be true... :(
Anyway, we later learned that the actual workers were Chinese and not on premise. Which explained the problems we encountered at both fittings (wrong placement of pockets, wrong pleats, wrong type of cuffs, too tight, etc...), resulting in wasted time and an extension to the agreed time. Apparently, there were miscommunications or "lost in translation."
Then, I was referred to Bithano (723 Sukhumvit, at Soi 39, opposite 26; 662-4788) by a fellow monger, and we have never used any other. The shop is run by two Thai brothers, staff by their family/friends, and the machines are right upstair, so any problems can be fixed right away, which we have not. There isn't any cutthroat pricings or deep discounts, but you get what you paid for. Quality material, workmanship, and service. You can ask them to do any special details--different sizes and shapes of collar, inside secret key/money pocket, suspender buttons, embroidered initials on cuffs, different location for labels, etc...
The other reason we liked it is that it is near Emporium, Lotus, and Angels. :D
Seeko
I will concede that your suggestion is probably the better way to go; however, probably not practical for the short time visitor.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Retired Army,
I disagree. Careful with this tailor. <Raja's>
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I completely agree with Giotto. Be very careful at this shop. I have had 10 pairs of pants and three suits made at this place in addition to about 10 shirts over the years. I used this place because it was rec. to me by US military personnel and didn't know another place to go. The material is as advertised and as picked. The quality of the actual manufacture depends on which sweatshop person works on your garment, so they are very, very inconsistant. Also, when the going gets tough (i.e. numerous fittings and the thing still fits like crap)...you will see a big attitude change from Raja. They never met any of my deadlines and there was always an attempted delivery to a hotel as I was leaving for the airport.....and of course the fit was horrible (and I'm not a difficult fit)....and had to be redone on a return visit. Try the shop with the sewing operation on site.....it has to be better than this....although a lot of Thai tailors are complete shit...so be careful....
[QUOTE=Retired Army]What is the problem? I have had wonderful service from Raja's. Granted he is a little more expensive, but not much for what you get. All the BKK tailors use the same sweatshops to make their clothes. It's the quality of the fabric each shop has and the service that makes the difference. It's how they measure and provide service after the sale.
Just go to Raja's any afternoon about 5 p.m. and you will see that he is very popular.[/QUOTE]
Sorry for my late reply. Just saw this post now.
We had 2 customers in Livingstone's which used that tailor - both had quality problems during the final delivery, but no time any more for changes. Furthermore that shop is too expensive, there are much cheaper ones in Bangkok.
Giotto
$250 is a lot to pay for sweatshop labor and spotty service.
I bought several suits from this apparantly different Raja's at 147 Sukhumvit Road, Soi 11, next to the Ambassador Hotel, for about $200 each as I recall. I got excellent service from Mr. Shiva and met the original Raja himself onetime, a real nice guy who started his business about 25 years ago. Their material and fit were not bad. So I would recommend this Raja's, as would several people I know, if you are intent on buying from a Bangkok tailor.
However, I have bought my last suit in BKK, and here is why. If you live in the US anywhere near a Burlington Coat Factory outlet store, that is the place to buy. I have bought several name brand suits on close out there, including one Brooks Brothers, never paying more than $150. BKK tailors can't compete with this quality and price.
My last visit in December I visited Raja's to see about some shirts, and he wanted $25+, which is just too much compared to what can be bought at discount stores in Southern California.
wow. SUITS. Who needs them?
I wear shorts and T shirts to work, and more often than not, work is 35 feet, and one floor down away from my bed.
sorry, a bit drunk, and about to settle in for a nice BBBJTCAS. (and swallow). :D
[QUOTE=1Ball]wow. SUITS. Who needs them?
I wear shorts and T shirts to work, and more often than not, work is 35 feet, and one floor down away from my bed.
sorry, a bit drunk, and about to settle in for a nice BBBJTCAS. (and swallow). :D[/QUOTE]1Ball, enough talk of your sex adventures. How rude.
Gentlemen, the purpose of this forum is to help men find tailors for suits. Let's get back to the topic. ;)
PS 1Ball - what's all this nonsense about settling in for BBBJTCAS and swallow. Sex is about give and take, you selfish man. Give the poor gal your usual romping and make her happy for 30 seconds. :D
Nothing wrong with wearing a nice suit. You would be suprised how it turns women on. Makes even a middle age balding man look sexy. Add a real Rolex watch and Italian shoes and the most beautiful woman would choose him everytime over a young stud with a full head of hair working at Burger King.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Nothing wrong with wearing a nice suit. You would be suprised how it turns women on. Makes even a middle age balding man look sexy. Add a real Rolex watch and Italian shoes and the most beautiful woman would choose him everytime over a young stud with a full head of hair working at Burger King.[/QUOTE]
You are correct, RA, provided it is worn out of choice, not necessity. I do own a very nice suit, and a Rolex, and a custom pair of shoes, so I guess, once every 15 years, when I feel the need to impress someone, that I am good to go ! ;)
Does anyone know the id/pass for bkkteen? This must be a new feature.
Thanks in advance
Does anyone know what is the Thai holiday on June 12 and 13?
Thanks
juices
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Does anyone know what is the Thai holiday on June 12 and 13?
Thanks
juices[/QUOTE]
JuiceSpike,
just had the police here - there is no non-alcohol holiday in June. It might have something to do with the kings 60th anniversary.
Giotto
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Does anyone know what is the Thai holiday on June 12 and 13?
Thanks
juices[/QUOTE]
Juice,
It sounds like something related to the King's celebration. This is the schedule for those days:
12 June 2006
A ceremony to pay tribute to His Majesty the King by foreign monarchs and their representatives
Ananta Samakhom Throne Hall, 16.00-17.00 hr
12 June 2006
His Majesty the King opens an exhibition on His Majesty’s activities and projects over the past 60 years of his reign
Royal Thai Navy Convention Hall, 18.30 hr.
12 June 2006
Their Majesties the King and Queen and foreign monarchs attend the Royal Barge Procession
Royal Navy Institute, 19.00 hr.
13 June 2006
His Majesty the King hosts a banquet for foreign monarchs
Chakri Maha Prasat Throne Hall, 19.30 hr.
These events don't sound like they sould be the basis of a holiday, but maybe so; it's Thailand after all.
Cheers,
Sean
As long as the girls are fucking on those days it works for me... :p
Thanks again pervs... :D
juices
Hi All,
Is there any flood threat in BKK? BBC says so many have died and have lost there houses / properties in Thailand.
I've scheduled my trip on early JUNE.
Thanks in advance
As I walked to Eden Club this afternoon I saw the most beautiful girl working in a salon on Sukumvit(sp.) We locked eyes and smiled.
On the way back to the hotel I thought I would ask her to dinner.
She said yes and I will meet her at 11:30pm tonight.
I will post later but my best guess is that we will spend some time together and hold hands; I will tell her godnite around 1 or 2am and then pick up some cutie from Nana Disco or Grace and knock boots for a few hours.
I would love to get with this salon girl but I know the chances are slim to none. If this were our 2nd or 3rd date I could see us spending the nite together.
Rebad,
Before you call her a regular girl find out more about who she is, etc. Just because she works in a Salon does not mean much until you get to know her better. Girls working on Suk have seen it and heard it all from the "working girls." Also, some of the Salon girls were former "working girls" or are looking into doing it or are taking a break from it. She may be more selective in looking for Mr. Right or just a someone to take care of her. I would not be surprise if she already has a farang bf and she is waiting for him to come back. I have met two the Salon girls and one was a wanna be player and the other one was on and off being a "working girl." Some Salon girls can be fun but beware of her intentions and yours as well.
Good luck.
juices
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Rebad,
Before you call her a regular girl find out more about who she is, etc. Just because she works in a Salon does not mean much until you get to know her better. Girls working on Suk have seen it and heard it all from the "working girls." Also, some of the Salon girls were former "working girls" or are looking into doing it or are taking a break from it. She may be more selective in looking for Mr. Right or just a someone to take care of her. I would not be surprise if she already has a farang bf and she is waiting for him to come back. I have met two the Salon girls and one was a wanna be player and the other one was on and off being a "working girl." Some Salon girls can be fun but beware of her intentions and yours as well.
Good luck.
juices[/QUOTE]
Sweet girl working at this salon for 2 years. works more than 60 hours a week.
Moved to BKK from north of Issan.
Had an american bf a while ago who saw her every few months.
She seems like a normal girl but I know before our "date" she gave some guy an oil massage upstairs. I did not ask if it was happy for him.
Anyway,
She took me to this Jazz Bar / Resturant nammed Saxaphone.
Great band named T-Bone playing kinda a fussion of Jazz, Reagge, and hip hop.
The food was awsome.
We talked, held hands, kissed a bit and took a cab back to downtown. I went home alone and rested a bit.
I then grabbed a shower and headed out to Nana Parking lot and found a cutie to spend the night.
I will see this salon girl on my next visit.
If I were ever to quit the game, she would be the kind of girl for me.
Not sure if this is the right place to post this...
I just watched a very good doco called "The Real Bangkok Hilton" about the Bangkwang jail in Bangkok.
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/this_world/3899549.stm[/url]
Great viewing and a must see for anyone considering even touching drugs in Thailand, or doing anything that could get you a spell in that prison.
It made me very glad that by this time I ever visited Thailand (in my 40's) I had long since lost any interest what so ever in drugs.
To change the subject. A few years ago I had an interesting experience and wondered if anyone else had experienced something similar. I was lying flat on my back and the girl sat backwards on my cock and sucked my toes while fucking me. It was a great experience.
a warning to all flying into the usa. even though this topic has been covered, and solutions have been discussed, i believe it bears repeating. i will be posting this in the thailand and indonesia forums, and if anybody feels like quoting it in another country they frequent, be my guest.
i landed at san francisco international at 7.00 pm on a flight from taipei. i had a lot of luggage, including some commercial samples, so i was expecting to go through secondary inspection. and sure enough i was. first question was where had i been. answer: thailand and indonesia. where in thailand? bangkok.
i am then asked to open my carry on luggage, and he pulls out my computer, my camera and a usb memory stick. he spent 20 minutes looking through my computer. i could tell he was looking at photographs, and then he looked through my camera and the usb stick. not once did he give me any indication of what he was looking for.
after 20 minutes he let me go. i asked him what he had been looking for, and he just blew me off.
i am not one to take many pictures, for obvious reasons, i cannot have them in my computer. if i do take some naughty pics, i post them on isg, and then delete them. i don’t know what the situation is if they the kind of pics we see every day on isg is, but i don’t want to find out.
i am 99% sure he was looking for **** photos. if that is all he was looking for, i am sure that most people are safe. however, i must say it was a very unpleasant experience.
the few times i have wanted to save photographs, and not want them seen on my computer, i have emailed them to a yahoo account nobody knows exists.
again, i know this has been discussed before, just thought i would pass on an experience which happened to me less than 24 hours ago.
1ball - I wonder what they would say if you had logged out of your computer? The computer boots up and prompts the user for a password...no access to ANY files. They ask you to boot them up because the battery is encased with lead and they cannot see into it, via xray, and verify it is in fact a battery.
Once it boots without a powercord inspection should be finished and they can't see any further.
What if you had folders that were password protected? Do you think they could demand that you give them access?
I realize it is better safe than sorry, I don't really take those kinds of photos, but nobody gets to poke around my hard drive period.
Am I 100% off base here? I always have to boot, and I always am logged out when I do boot, never had anyone suggest that I give up the password, and I always get searched pretty thouroughly.
Man, I am the only one who uses my computer, so I don't have any passwords.
This guy had an agenda, he wanted photos of me doing who knows what to a 12 year old. Not my thing, so not worried there, but I don't know what he would have said to the likes of some of Piper1's recent photos.
better safe than sorry.
But you do raise an interested point. What if my computer were password protected, and he asked me for the password so he could browse through it? Am I obligated to give him the password?
does anyone know the answer to this? I beleive the answer is yes!
[QUOTE=1Ball] but I don't know what he would have said to the likes of some of Piper1's recent photos.[/QUOTE]Not to be misinterpreted by lazy readers: My girls are always well over 18, and usually late 20s. Even tiny Jungle Girl is 28.
[quote=piper1]not to be misinterpreted by lazy readers: my girls are always well over 18, and usually late 20s. even tiny jungle girl is 28.[/quote]
not for 1 second did i want people to think i was inferring piper's pics are of **** girls, on the contrary. what i meant is they are some wild pics, and was wondering if anyone knew if those kind of pics are acceptable to homeland security.
sorry piper, if i gave the wrong impression.
[quote=1ball]not for 1 second did i want people to think i was inferring piper's pics are of **** girls, on the contrary. what i meant is they are some wild pics, and was wondering if anyone knew if those kind of pics are acceptable to homeland security.
sorry piper, if i gave the wrong impression.[/quote]no problems 1ball - i knew what you meant, but lazy readers might not. i know the history of this thread and i don't want to play that silly game with them.
by the way - i was bailed up at bkk airport on my way out and intrerrogated for an hour (irregular passport). luckily they didn't check my laptop. i made a few calls and they let me go two minutes before my plane took off. damn, i thought i'd have to go back to giotto's for another night. :)
[QUOTE=1Ball]
But you do raise an interested point. What if my computer were password protected, and he asked me for the password so he could browse through it? Am I obligated to give him the password?
does anyone know the answer to this? I beleive the answer is yes![/QUOTE]
The short answer is no. Under US law, it would be viewed as invasion of privacy. He's need the equivalent of a search warrant to access a secure computer. However, having said that, given the Nazi-like behavior of many US customs agents, it wouldn't surprise me if some wouldn't try to intimidate you into giving them the password. But, you are not obliged to do so. Therefore, I would suggest that securing your computer with passwords is good ploy to use if people are worried. These guys would not want to go through any possible legal challenge, as long as you stand your ground.
OTH, I guess what you mean is equivalent to someone searching your vehicle without probable cause?
OK, so now is there someone out there who can show us computer illeterates how to secure our computers?
I think that you have no rights when you are at the Airport , until you pass Customs and Immigration you are not officially in the USA ,
Plus I would not want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off , so they flag you every time you come thru,
BK
[quote=1ball]oth, i guess what you mean is equivalent to someone searching your vehicle without probable cause?
ok, so now is there someone out there who can show us computer illeterates how to secure our computers?[/quote]
no need to get paranoid. the reason imho they want to see the computer is 1) if you have anything which is detrimental to homeland security and 2) if you are carrying any **** materials etc. or commercial porno contents like dvds etc. it is a crime to import commercial materials. you should not have any probs regarding mature contents which are private. they are after criminals so you should be safe (right?).:)
although i have never been searched for computers, one thing i do is put the stuff on a flash usb drive and erase the folders. it is small, unobtrusive and you can throw it in your toiletries bag, if you want. or just keep it in your pocket. you can buy them at most places for $50 for a 1gb model. the outside front pocket of my carry on is where i keep loose change, keys, chewing gums, nicotine patches etc. etc. nobody has ever bothered to search that bag as yet.
last but not the least, is that if it is your day, there is nothing you can do about it no matter how secure your computer is.
as regards oth advice, forget it unless you want to spend many hours in detention waiting for your lawyer to show up. and these days, hs can put you in detention till they feel like it, just by saying one is a potential suspect. sorry, oth, this is not canada. the us has changed while you were out. they will take your computer and go thru it while you are cooling your ass.
Anyone interested in knowing how you can password protect your computer, hand out a password to show them something and still keep your secrets, without any evidence that there is hidden data. PM me, I am in Bangkok until saturday. (A short note to the cheap Charlies: The software is freeware and way better that the one you need to pay for. Can encrypt harddrives that look unformatted with no drive letter on Win XP). For a beer or 2 I can explain someone how it works and he then could pass it on. But I insist on someone not competely computer illiterate, please. Could meet at Giotto's for example. But I donot support the real illegals like paedo etc.!!!
You have to see deeper into the matter, since just encrypting a file or disk might not eb enough. Encrypted Data might show up unencrypted in your swap file or hibernation file for example. Even throwing away a USB stick doesn't help in this case.
And besides the legal issue, what would you do if someone finds your laptop that you lost. With simple tools all data is readable not matter how you password protect it, as long as it is unencrypted. You even might want to protect your business data.
Just log out....the only reason you have to boot up is to prove the electronic device is in fact a computer. If anyone were to ask you to log in just say 'no' if you were pressured you could say 'That would violate several non disclosure agreements as all of the information on my machine is sensitive and work related, I cannot comment any further.'
This will either get you through quickly or hold you up for days. I like the flash drive idea, the yahoo email idea, or if you had access to a web server just upload. Better safe than sorry.
Duni, if you look at my original post, the guy found my USB memory stick, and looked through that. It was loose in my carry on, and yes, he did look through my toiletries.
At first, I thought all he wanted was to make sure it was in fact a computer, but after booting up, that is when he started playing with it.
apparently, they are allowed to look at anything and everything one brings in. Saying what you say below, Man on the Street is all well and good, but does one need the aggravation? and yes, I could say that to them, and then sit in a holding cell until he crack the codes.
the US is fast becoming a Big Brother country, hence my decision to relocate ASAP. Going through immigration and customs is always an ordeal as it seems they live by the Napoleonic code.
[QUOTE=rodmanj]Will be in Bangkok soon, and looking to have some suits made. Can any one give me a ballpark U.S. Dollar value on having one made? Or even recommend a tailor.[/QUOTE]I recommend Rajawongse between the Landmark and the Subway sandwich shop on Sukhumvit. Great service and excellent suits.
Anyone who thinks they can get a better deal in the US has been drinking too many spiked Singhas. No matter what - it's a custom cashmere-wool suit.
I agree with RA same sweatshops (more or less) but its the "aftermarket" mods, fabrics and perks you get.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]
As regards OTH advice, forget it unless you want to spend many hours in detention waiting for your lawyer to show up. And these days, HS can put you in detention till they feel like it, just by saying one is a potential suspect. Sorry, OTH, this is not Canada. The US has changed while you were out. They will take your computer and go thru it while you are cooling your ass.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with you. I was merely answering the legal question. BTW, I have been through the US security cordon within the last year and I know what kinds of hassles there can be.
You're probably right, though, the reality would be something different all-together, if they wanted to flex their muscles. Long before homeland security, I experienced the excessive paranoia of the US customs service the day after the Oklahoma bombings. At that point, they didn't know who had done it and were looking at anyone. They detained me on my way to Chicago from Toronto for 1 1/2 hours because of a drug charge (I wasn't convicted) I had 25 year earlier, when I was 17. These guys have always been nuts and they've just gotten far worse in recent years.
I have never had my computer searched (yet) although once a prick had me open 2 suitcases and looked for whatever he was looking for but found nothing. In this case, it was in San Francisco and he made a mess of all the stuff I was bringing (some art) and I told him to help me put it back together becuase I could not close them. When I asked him what he was looking for he said heroin. I started laughing telling him that if I was bringing heroin it would not be in my suitcases. Some of these guys have an inferiority complex and have nothing better to do than play out their authority and waist people's time especially after a long ass flight...
Computers
If you own a Mac laptop chances are they wont even know how to navigate through the OS becuase they are not familiar with these computers.
If you have lots of pics and video and don't want to risk them found the best way to do it is to upload it to a storage website. Most decent hotels in Thailand have "fast" internet access and you can easily upload the stuff during the night when you are getting your beauty sleep.
Juices
You can google for "file transfer services" or "file hosting services" and get both free and paid sites. I recently used Yousendit and zUpload to transfer a huge powerpoint brief across the Pacific. Apparently, its size was too big for email servers. Sigh...
If the USB thumb drives are too obvious as a target, then, another method is to upload the files onto your MP3 player (assuming you have the kind that allows plug-n-play and shows up on WinExplorer with a drive letter).
Good luck,
Seeko
For those of you interested in uploading your files to a storage service I did a test with a video file of 70.9 MBs. I used fast cable internet.
Upload time: 16 minutes (351kb/sec)
download timeof the same file: 4.5 minutes (540kb/sec)
Not a lot of time considering that you can store the files safely away from you computer. I used ibackup.com which works with Mac and PC.
juices
Not to change the subject but,I would like to take a 3-5 day trip with the wife in September over here.Would like some info on the best place to stay with the little woman.Or if that's a mistake I could go alone before returning back home in October.
Play Safe,Stay Sharp.
B.B.
[quote=1ball]a warning to all flying into the usa. even though this topic has been covered, and solutions have been discussed, i believe it bears repeating. i will be posting this in the thailand and indonesia forums, and if anybody feels like quoting it in another country they frequent, be my guest.
i landed at san francisco international at 7.00 pm on a flight from taipei. i had a lot of luggage, including some commercial samples, so i was expecting to go through secondary inspection. and sure enough i was. first question was where had i been. answer: thailand and indonesia. where in thailand? bangkok.
i am then asked to open my carry on luggage, and he pulls out my computer, my camera and a usb memory stick. he spent 20 minutes looking through my computer. i could tell he was looking at photographs, and then he looked through my camera and the usb stick. not once did he give me any indication of what he was looking for.
after 20 minutes he let me go. i asked him what he had been looking for, and he just blew me off.
i am not one to take many pictures, for obvious reasons, i cannot have them in my computer. if i do take some naughty pics, i post them on isg, and then delete them. i don’t know what the situation is if they the kind of pics we see every day on isg is, but i don’t want to find out.
i am 99% sure he was looking for **** photos. if that is all he was looking for, i am sure that most people are safe. however, i must say it was a very unpleasant experience.
the few times i have wanted to save photographs, and not want them seen on my computer, i have emailed them to a yahoo account nobody knows exists.
again, i know this has been discussed before, just thought i would pass on an experience which happened to me less than 24 hours ago.[/quote]
ice has been real tough in sfo lately. this has been widely reported in other travel forums. regular business people have been targeted because they fit a profile namely single adult male 20 - 40 years old visiting se asia.
dont blame me i voted for the other guy.
i had my bags and laptop searched following my new years trip.
i also carry gov badges and my laptop is clearly gov property.
i just returned last month and was waived through without a secondary.
hopefully the seach over new years cleared me for future searches.
[quote=1ball]a warning to all flying into the usa. even though this topic has been covered, and solutions have been discussed, i believe it bears repeating. i will be posting this in the thailand and indonesia forums, and if anybody feels like quoting it in another country they frequent, be my guest.
i landed at san francisco international at 7.00 pm on a flight from taipei. i had a lot of luggage, including some commercial samples, so i was expecting to go through secondary inspection. and sure enough i was. first question was where had i been. answer: thailand and indonesia. where in thailand? bangkok.
i am then asked to open my carry on luggage, and he pulls out my computer, my camera and a usb memory stick. he spent 20 minutes looking through my computer. i could tell he was looking at photographs, and then he looked through my camera and the usb stick. not once did he give me any indication of what he was looking for.
after 20 minutes he let me go. i asked him what he had been looking for, and he just blew me off.
i am not one to take many pictures, for obvious reasons, i cannot have them in my computer. if i do take some naughty pics, i post them on isg, and then delete them. i don’t know what the situation is if they the kind of pics we see every day on isg is, but i don’t want to find out.
i am 99% sure he was looking for **** photos. if that is all he was looking for, i am sure that most people are safe. however, i must say it was a very unpleasant experience.
the few times i have wanted to save photographs, and not want them seen on my computer, i have emailed them to a yahoo account nobody knows exists.
again, i know this has been discussed before, just thought i would pass on an experience which happened to me less than 24 hours ago.[/quote]
there is at least an easy protection for the light check (of course it does not protect for an intensive harddrive analysis). why not simply camoflage the jpg sas excel, powerpoint, word files. hidden in a busines folder with real files and named with a business project should hold him up at least for a quick run through. if a group of jpgs are collected in a zip file and simply renamed as ppt could make the thing at least not so obvious and as well rather economical. of course there should be more powerpoint files then the one in the folder. and of corse there should be also real jpg pics, lets say from your cultural tours etc. in a pic folder.
of course the ananymus upload/ download thing is even better.
so does somebody know if he can ask us to enter the password? my work contract says it is strictly not permitted if this would be my business computer.
regards
brain666
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]For those of you interested in uploading your files to a storage service I did a test with a video file of 70.9 MBs. I used fast cable internet.
Upload time: 16 minutes (351kb/sec)
download timeof the same file: 4.5 minutes (540kb/sec)
Not a lot of time considering that you can store the files safely away from you computer. I used ibackup.com which works with Mac and PC.
juices[/QUOTE]
Juice,
how many hotels / internet cafes in LOS do provide a fast cable connection ?
Guess not that many, therefore it might work at home but in LOS connections are usually much slower. Furthermore 70 MB aren't much, just about 20 pics with a 5 MPix cam in full resolution.
I have an alternative solution for this, particularly when coming form places like LOS where internet connections are generally not that good.
I have a cheap watch that also contains a 512 mb memory card, got it as a free gift whilst in Taiwan, connects to the laptop via usb, download the pics to the watch, delete from laptop and good to go.
At least i know that if the laptop gets searched it is clean. BTW, for those of you just deleting files, they can be easily retrieved, you should shred them, ie delete permanently.
traveler,
where i stay in bkk they have cable access in the room. they have a decent it department and they set you up with ethernet connection. the speed is decent and definately much faster than a dial up but a bit slower than the us cable connection. so, it does work for me.
for mongering pictrues i never save them in raw sizes. for video i compress it with sorenson. a 5 minute sequence of digital video equals about 1.5 gigs but after compression (good quality) is about 49 mb.
juices
juice,
lucky you.
i rarely bring my laptop therefore i can't tell if the speed at the hotels might be better than at the internet cafes, but most internet cafes i have used so far only provide sufficient speed for normal web surfing. since upload is usually slower than download, uploading dozens or hundreds of pics in full resolution must be a pain in the ...
it doesn't make sense to me to buy a good high resolution digicam, but taking or storing the pics at only 2-3 mpix with high compression, which will reduce the overall quality of the pic. anyway, i was talking about normal jpegs in full resolution with low compression , a pic in raw format will be even bigger (5 mb+ in average).
video compression is another thing. the size of the video is reduced by storing only the parts that change between two following pics. after all, the quality is reduced as well, but since you usually don't want to make big printouts the decrease in quality can be tolerated.
anyway, with the upload speed mentioned, you will need 2h 15min to upload one hour of video. that's definitely not to my cup of tea especially when the connection isn't reliable and you have to start over (in case the web host doesn't support resume).
imho web storage only makes sense if you intend to store a few low res low quality pics or short trailers. it takes too much time to upload the real thing.
finally, private porn is not forbidden and nobody cares if the displayed persons are of legal age. therefore no big deal, wonder why so many do worry. shy ?
some of the internet shops have really dial up service even though their advertise "fast internet." in some of those places it's even impossible to check your email so forget surfing... also, some coffee shops like starbucks and others offer wifi access with good speed. the place i stay supports resume and connections are reliable. 2 hours of upload is not a big deal cause i can do it at night. good compression like sorenson does not dimished the viewing quality to the eye a great deal and unless your skanky video is not for theatrical release then you won't need to worry. compression does reduce the size of the original quicktime file though...
the downside of carrying a laptop is the extra weight but i used it for work too so i need to bring it along.
juices
I would like to buy a local sim card in BKK, is this possible and which one is best, or are they very much the same.
Do you need to registar the sim card and have to show proof like in Europe.
As an alternative, you can create a dummy login account, and log in to that one when asked. I doubt they would know the difference. Plus forensically speaking , having a customs wonk "browse" through peoples computers is only going to catch the stupid criminals.
[QUOTE=ManOnTheStreet]Just log out....the only reason you have to boot up is to prove the electronic device is in fact a computer. If anyone were to ask you to log in just say 'no' if you were pressured you could say 'That would violate several non disclosure agreements as all of the information on my machine is sensitive and work related, I cannot comment any further.'[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bold Focker]I would like to buy a local sim card in BKK, is this possible and which one is best, or are they very much the same.
Do you need to registar the sim card and have to show proof like in Europe.[/QUOTE]
Purchased one a month or so back. A lady friend said to buy 1-2Call (AIS) but that is because what she used no doubt. Got it from MBK. I didn't have to register, although reading some other Thai boards you are meant to. Cost was 300 baht which included 100 baht credit. It was possible to change the default language for the voice prompts to English and recharge at an 7-11.
About a week after I got the card it stopped working for 2 days, apparently all phones with my prefix stopped, not an uncommon thing. Also Thailands mobile phone network is in a bit of a mess at the moment with congestion between carriers, AIS in particular but that may well be because they are the largest.
Anyway head to MBK and have a look around.
[QUOTE=Bold Focker]I would like to buy a local sim card in BKK, is this possible and which one is best, or are they very much the same.
Do you need to registar the sim card and have to show proof like in Europe.[/QUOTE]Hi Bold Focker,
It's very easy to buy a prepaid SIM card in BKK, just go to MBK and you will have tens of vendors willing to sell you a SIM card. Because I travel all around the country when in Thailand, I like to go with DTAC as their coverage is better in the backcountry.
Cost was 200Baht for a SIM card (you can even choose the number from the list they display over the counter). You don't need to provide any ID and to refill you can buy refill card at any 7-eleven.
For me, this is a must to be able to have a number that I can provide to the ladies and throw away when leaving the country. Plus, I can call hotels/girls and restaurant whenever I want.
Don't forget to verify that your phone is not locked to a specific provider and that you can use the GSM 900 and 1800Mhz on your cell.
Gypsie King out.
STRETCHING YOUR BAHT
Some can blow it in a single night. Others can make it last for half a month. How long can you survive on 1,000 baht? Here are some first-hand accounts of thrift and indulgence.
Story by RANJANA WANGVIPULA 'Bangkok Post' rewriter
Some years ago, a 1,000 baht banknote would have lasted me a long time. During my early days at the Bangkok Post, I was on the city beat. With a rather small salary, I had to scrimp by every possible means. One of my proudest achievements was that 1,000 baht could cover my lunches for two whole months!
How? At a roadside shop near the City Hall building, a full dish cost only 15 baht. The quality was admittedly not that great; after all eating gourmet cuisine was not a priority back then.
But last Saturday, I had a taste of high-class living, or something almost like it. I went to a bar on Khao San Road, the mecca of backpackers. There, we ordered some liquor, two bottles of soda and cola. The highlight of the evening was a demonstration of the "reggaeton dance", a sort of sexy Latin-style swinging set to hip hop and reggae music.
Time flew, and finally, a waiter arrived at our table with the bill.
"It's 1,060 baht," he announced.
In five seconds, I literally saw money _ the same amount that would have been stretched over two months in my previous incarnation _ fly out of my wallet. You may think I'm crazy for blowing it all on a mere three-hour stint at a bar. But for me, every baht was considered excellently spent, for it had brought me las noites longas _ a Portuguese phrase meaning a long and pleasurable night.
Story by ARUSA PISUTHIPAN 'Outlook' reporter
There are campaigns for people to save money blaring everywhere. Don't splurge. Set aside at least one-quarter of your income. Jot down your expenses. But how realistic are these expectations?
On some days, I think the feat is not all that difficult. I just stay at home, eat cups of noodles, watch TV and sleep. The mystery is that certain bills _ for my mobile phone, monthly parking and so on _ still manage to slip into my mailbox.
So I tried the last bit of advice: Keeping track of my money. How long can I keep a thousand baht? (Or you could say: How long will it want to stay with me?) A brief report of a "typical" outing in Bangkok is quite revealing.
The other day, I had a date with a friend. We went to see the film everyone's being talking about _ The Da Vinci Code.
By late morning, I already said goodbye to the first 120 baht I spent on the ticket.
That was only the beginning. Having had our adrenaline pumped rooting for Tom Hanks and Audrey Tautou to solve the riddles in time, my friend and I needed to fill our stomachs. We decided on a Hot-Pot lunch that created another dent of 170 baht each in the wallet.
Then off to cruise around the shopping centre _ that lasted several hours. I successfully resisted many temptations, but was finally overtaken by a chic T-shirt (495 baht). We celebrated the discovery with a nice cup of coffee. There went another hundred baht.
My mother's impromptu call saved the day: She wanted to treat us to dinner at the very same shopping centre, but at a different restaurant. That was a bonus _ I saved on the petrol and dinner bill too!
At the car park, the moment of truth arrived though. The guard standing next to the exit gate handed me a bill: I had to pay him a total of 130 baht for the hours I had my car parked at the shopping complex. A short ride later, I had to pay another 40 baht for the tollway charge as I drove my friend home.
Such a pleasant day it was, until I looked at the calculator. The figure "1,055" stared back at me, so innocently. It was a bit over the limit of what was supposed to be my maximum daily spending. If only there was a nang klang plaeng (open-air cinema) offered to people free of charge as in the old days! Or a river with shoals of fish ready to be caught and served up on my plate. Or a tree where I could park my vehicle gratis. But we city people don't have such "luxuries". I strongly doubt if I will ever be able to save one-tenth, let alone one-quarter of my salary. Any ideas?
Story by SUTTHI JANLEE Cleaning lady and mother of two (as told to Vasana Chinvarakorn)
A thousand baht can last for two, even three weeks. It's a whole lot of money. It took us 10 years to clear our debt with the Tor Kor Sor (state-run Agricultural and Agricultural Cooperatives Bank). Ten years ago we went bankrupt growing cassava. The original amount we owed them was 20,000 baht. But my husband's negligence to pay the interest meant we had to pay a total of 50,000 baht in the end.
Last year my husband won the lottery so I took a day's leave and went back to the bank's branch in Kamphaeng Phet to clear up everything myself. It was a huge relief.
With inflation, the price of vegetables at Khlong Toey market is quite high. But somehow I've found the cheapest place to buy food for my family: The street vendors near our rented flat. I don't know how they can make any profit, but a small bag of curry cost 10 baht, 15 if I ask for a little more meat. For dinner I just buy two to three bags and some rice. My husband loves eating a lot of rice, but scrimps on the side dishes. And my two children, who work elsewhere, don't usually come home until very late at night.
My policy is very simple: Don't buy unnecessary things. I don't go to the cinema or any entertainment venue. I have a haircut once every two to three months. Each of us has our own mobile phone, but I usually buy a refill card worth 200 baht, which lasts me an entire month. Most of the phone calls I receive are from my supervisors who call with some special orders. I buy myself a new dress or a gift only when I earn bonuses. But those are few and far between. After all, I get paid on a daily basis. When I feel sick and have to stay home, my bosses will automatically cut my pay. Nor do they give me any extra for working every day without a break.
Every morning I reach the office by 6:30am and stay there for the next 12 hours, sweeping and waxing the floor, mopping and washing dishes. Sometimes we are so busy we can't stop for lunch. On other days, I can survive on a bottle of soya drink for the morning and then skip lunch.
My most expensive day? It happened last Monday, June 12. I paid 300 baht for a standing ticket to witness the royal barge procession. I finished the day's job by noon, asked my colleagues to cover for me in case some urgent task should arise, had a quick lunch and took a bus to the Tha Chang pier.
From 1:30 to 8pm, when I reached home, I didn't eat anything. Not even a single drop of water. The experience was well worth it. I don't think I would have another chance in this lifetime.
The front rows were reserved for those who paid 3,000, 2,000, 1,500, 1,000 and 800 baht, respectively. At least I think I had a better view than people who paid a hundred baht. I looked back and saw the sea of yellow shirts standing behind me.
I also had one yellow shirt for this special occasion. I couldn't afford the expensive versions. Some of them cost 550 baht! Instead, I bought a cheap yellow shirt _ it was a little over 100 baht _ and I ironed on a washable sticker with the royal insignia on top of it. They were on sale in the market, ranging in price from 50 to 80 baht.
This wristband with the "We Love the King" inscription? My husband bought one each for the two of us.
Story by KRITTIYA WONGTAVAVIMARN 'Outlook' reporter
What a big relief! After a whole month away from home, I managed to return to Bangkok safe and sound and with a 1,000 baht banknote safe and sound inside my wallet.
I recently attended an international workshop for Southeast Asian journalists in Chiang Mai. The beautiful capital of the North was a refreshing change from the hectic, hustle bustle of my everyday life down in Bangkok. But I found the change in atmosphere quite friendly _ both environmentally and financially. When left on my own, I dined at a university canteen or local food shops, and each meal cost about 25 baht. When I wanted to cross to the other side of the town, I just hopped on one of the red songthaews and the return trip back to the dorm only cost me about 15 baht. Last but not least, there was plenty of free "gym space" for jogging or riding a bicycle _ crucial for someone who can't miss a day of a fitness regimen like me. On some days, I spent only 50 baht and still had a full stomach!
Stepping on the tarmac of Don Muang Airport, I felt a rush of warmth and confidence. I was going to turn over a new leaf _ my success in Chiang Mai convinced me that I could become a thrifty, and rich journalist.
Alas! I was doomed from the beginning. By the time I reached home, my taxi's meter registered 300 baht _ and I also had to pay another 50 baht for the airport charge.
At least I consoled myself that I still had 650 baht left _ translatable into 26 meals, or fewer in case I wanted to treat someone to dinner. But then my phone rang. "Long time no see!" screamed my fitness buddy. "Come to the gym right now!"
Before I knew it, the gung-ho exercising streak got the better of me. I didn't even bother to unpack my suitcases. I grabbed my long-orphaned gym bag, ran to the nearest Skytrain station, and another 35 baht was quickly converted into a BTS card for the ride.
Phew! I arrived in time to meet my friend. But before a whole afternoon of marathon body-combat and cycling sessions (and more marathon body-combat and cycling), I needed an adrenaline boost. So we stopped for a cup of espresso frappuccino and it was, uh-oh, another 125 baht. Luckily, I needn't pay anything else at the gym having already footed the advance membership fee of 24,000 baht at the beginning of the year!
It was 8pm, and I was voracious, starved to death. We staggered inside a Japanese restaurant. There we took no time to decide on the best deal available: The all-you-can-eat buffet for 499 baht. "Well, I'll have to owe you nine baht, and you'll have to pay the tax too!" I told my friend. And he kindly gave me a free ride home on top of that.
Thus did a 1,000 baht banknote, unused for a whole month, vanish in one day. I think I definitely need another assignment in Chiang Mai!
[b]1. preconditions for visa applications[/b]
the short-term visa for up to 90 days is a so called „schengen visa“ and valid for:
austria, france, greece, luxembourg, portugal, finland, denmark, iceland, belgium, germany, italy, the netherlands, spain, sweden and norway
[u]what to submit[/u][list][*] passport or travel document with a validity of at least three month.
[*] 2 passport photos, 5 x 3 cm (2inch) , white background
[*] completely filled in application form with precise description of travel purpose
[*] proof of sufficient health insurance coverage (not health certificate). coverage required min. 30.000 euro or 1.500.000 baht (see attached pdf for accepted health insurance companies)
[*] formal obligation by inviting person, which can be obtained at the local aliens authority in your homecountry or at your embassy in bkk
or own funds, documents required: bank book, personal bank account summary or similar documents
[*] evidence that the applicant is a genuine visitor and will therefore return to thailand upon expiry of the visa. this evidence depends on each individual case and could be:
[list][*] - previous visas for schengen states, usa, switzerland, uk, canada or australia[*] - for self employed applicants: trade/business licence, tax documents i.e.[*] - for employees: work contract, letter of employment and permission of leave, social security card i.e.[*] - financially independent persons: proof of banking or real estate[/list][*] family ties: own marriage certificate or birth certificate of child/children
please note, that for adults, the relation to the parents, brothers and sisters unfortunately do not provide such an evidence
if an applicant intends to visit close family members (parents, brother or sister), it is helpful to proof the relationship through relevant birth certificates
[*] reservation of flight - [b]no ticket[/b] - in order to avoid unnecessary costs[/list]supply the originals and one copy of all documents mentioned above (passport: only first page)
in order to get a visa, it is necessary to proof that the applicant has a reason to return to . therefore all additional documents that give evidence shoulc be presented. the officer reserves the right to request further documents as necessary.
[b]2. procedural principles[/b][list][*] comprehensive application:[indent] access to the visa-office can only be granted upon presentation of a completely filled and signed application form plus corresponding documentation. incomplete applications will have to be turned down for processing. documents translated into the language of your travel destination will speed up procedures![/indent][*] personal interview:[indent] particularly first time applicants are required to have an interview at the visa-office, thus requiring the personal appearance of the applicant.[/indent][*] individual decision making:[indent] above enumeration of preconditions is exemplary and does not have a final character. each application will be dealt with individually and decisions will be based on the underlying legal provisions. the embassy reserves the right to require additional documents suitable to sustain the willingness of the applicant to return to his home country, or to suspend the requirement for extensive documentation.[/indent][*] duration of procedure: [indent]two or three working days.[/indent][/list]
[b]3. fees[/b]
the visa fee is the equivalent of 35,00 euro, approx. 1.800 - 1.900 baht, depending of the exchange rate. the fee is to be paid in cash upon acceptance of application. it is not refundable, even if the visa is rejected.
for procedural reasons, the embassy would appreciate payment of the exact amount upon acceptance of application.
children under 18 years old pay only half, husband/spouse of eu-citizens are exempted.
[b]4. problems and solutions[/b]
usually there is no problem to get the above mentioned documents but it's often hard to impossible to prove the will of the applicant to return upon expiry of the visa if none of the above mentioned conditions are met.
[list][*]solution 1[indent]try to find a company which is willing to issue a working contract, which dates back at least two years plus a letter of employment and permission of leave for your girlfriend in exchange for a minor donation. but beware, don't make her a ceo or anything else that doesn't fit into her education and skills.
be prepared, the embassy will definitely ask her about her work and might also want to see if there are deposits in her bank account on pay-days. claim that the salary is payed cash, which isn't uncommon in smaller thai companies.
you could also float a company for approx. 50.000 baht in fees and have your thai associate sign the working contract for your girlfriend. not necessarily a useless investment as you could later use this company to own a house or condo in your own name (if more than 49% of the condo are already owned by farang, transfer is also cheaper).
the embassy simply can't check all the working contracts, but they might call and ask about the duties of your girl, therefore the phone number should lead to someone who is informed about your agreement.
this solution will only work if your girl-friend has a decent education (at least a minimum of 12 years - "mo hok"), is smart and could be accepted as an office worker. the missing social security card might be a problem but smaller private companies often don't pay for social security even though they would have to.
note : this solution should only be your last resort if everything else fails. if the embassy comes to the conclusion that any of the provided papers were faked, you and/or the applicant might end on a black list.
[/indent][*]solution 2[indent]don't apply for a schengen tourist visa but for a national visa for the purpose of marriage.
yes marriage, but don't worry, you don't have to marry. :)
this visa also has the great advantage that it can be prolonged and therefore exceed the 3 months given by the schengen tourist visa.
all you have to do is to file for marriage at your local civil registry office. depending on your homecountry, you and your potential future wife need to provide several documents to have your proposal accepted by the office, for example
[u]documents you have to provide[/u]
[i] [/i]
[list][*]id card and/or passport[*]registration card (proof of where you actually live)[*]birth certificate and/or excerpt of family register[*]in case of former marriages : divorce decree or death certificate of former partner[/list]
[u]documents your thai partner has to provide[/u]
[i] [/i]
[list][*]id card and/or passport [*]birth certificate ("bai goed")[*]excerpt of family register ("tabien baan")[*]certificate of being unmarried issued by the local register (amphoe),not older than 6 months[*]certificate of being unmarried issued by the central register in bkk to prove that there was no marriage in a different region (changwat), again not older than 6 months[*]in case of former marriages : marriage certificate or excerpt from the marriage register, excerpt from the divorce register, divorce decree (only for divorces at a court), divorce protocol and approval of this divorce by the administration of justice of your homecountry (only for private divorces by thai law), death certificate of former partner (only in case of death of former partner)[/list]
also all the regulations defined in §1448 ff of the thai civil- and commercial code must be met as well, like
[i] [/i]
[list][*]your thai partner must be at least 20 years of age.[*]proof of being unrelated to each other.[*]proof of being unmarried or being legally divorced.[*]waiting period of 310 days after legal divorce (potential pregnancy)[/list]
you may then request a document which certifies that you intend to marry your thai girlfriend. this document must then be provided to the embassy in bkk, which will then forward it to the public authority responsible for aliens in your homecountry. the aliens department must approve your application and the embassy will follow their decision and finally issue the visa. this whole procedure usually needs about two months but you can speed it up a bit by seeking approval from your local aliens department before applying for a visa at the embassy.
this visa is prolonged if the civil registry office is requesting additional documents from your potential spouse - which is the norm and getting those documents often takes a lot of time as you have to get them from abroad, need to translate them by an accredited translator and must be legalized by your embassy in bkk.
when you finally reach the point of no return, you simply say no or just cancel the marriage. your girlfriend will then have to leave the country but by leaving upon expiry of the visa she has proven her will to return to thailand for any future visas.
note: this solution should be preferred. even though it needs a lot of efforts and much more time, it's more or less fool-proof and not illegal. no faked documents, no need to lie.
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[i] [/i]
Aloha,
Okay, this might sound pretty stupid or lame but I hope someone can assist me on this one. My friend received my package that I shipped and she informed me that she had to pay a fee for receiving mail? What is up with that?
I never knew that there was such a thing as fees for receiving your own mail in Thailand. I tried to search the web for any information but no luck. So, I hope one of you guys can msg me or reply back and let me know what's up with that.
Thanks.
[QUOTE=Kim Chee Kane]Aloha,
Okay, this might sound pretty stupid or lame but I hope someone can assist me on this one. My friend received my package that I shipped and she informed me that she had to pay a fee for receiving mail? What is up with that?
I never knew that there was such a thing as fees for receiving your own mail in Thailand. I tried to search the web for any information but no luck. So, I hope one of you guys can msg me or reply back and let me know what's up with that.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
I send mail to Thailand regularly and haven't heard of this one before. I think the most likely explanation is that you did not pay enough postage at your end and the costs of delivery have had to be paid by the recipient
[QUOTE=Kim Chee Kane]Aloha,
Okay, this might sound pretty stupid or lame but I hope someone can assist me on this one. My friend received my package that I shipped and she informed me that she had to pay a fee for receiving mail? What is up with that?
I never knew that there was such a thing as fees for receiving your own mail in Thailand. I tried to search the web for any information but no luck. So, I hope one of you guys can msg me or reply back and let me know what's up with that.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Kim Chee Kane,
there is no such thing like a fee for receiving mail !
I have sent and received several packages to Thailand and none of the recipients had to pay such a fee. Only thing I can think of, you haven't paid the full postage but that shouldn't have happened because your post office usually checks it.
[QUOTE=Kim Chee Kane]Aloha,
I never knew that there was such a thing as fees for receiving your own mail in Thailand. I tried to search the web for any information but no luck. So, I hope one of you guys can msg me or reply back and let me know what's up with that.
Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Maybe she has to pay for customs duties. What was in the package?
El Greco
Import duties certainly have to be paid on parcels into the UK. Looks like it's the same for Thailand. A possible (but not surefire) way around this is to give a nominal value to and suitably vague description of the parcelled goods on the stick-on description. Of course, if the goods disappear in transit you will get fuck-all from any relevant insurance policy.
[QUOTE=El Greco]Maybe she has to pay for customs duties. What was in the package?
El Greco[/QUOTE]I have had similar experiences in other countries. When you receive mail (packages) in Mexico and other countries you have to pay either: a) import duties or b) brokers fees or c) both. Anyway, you are screwed. This is not the same in countries such as the US where you can import small items, gifts, samples, etc. without paying anything.
Just my 2 cents.
Hey all.
Thanks for all the responses. I actually ordered via victoriassecret.com and had them ship it directly (express international). I was a bit surprised when she informed me about her paying 2000 bht? She had to pay for "vat". Not sure what that means though.
In any case. Thanks for the help.
Aloha
Anybody out there with an Apple laptop that knows it works where I can access WiFi in coffee shop in Bangkok? I have been told that Apple computers work on 64 bit instead of 128 bit or that the wireless protocol is different in Thailand for Macs... True?
I have some work to do and want to get out of the hotel room.
Thanks.
juices
Sorry I can not help with a specific place but I can tell you that Mac's will work on wireless in Thailand. Two years ago when I was there I often found myself a wireless connection. However they were usually not free...
Prehaps try the hotel lobby of a major holtel. They sometimes have an unprotected network available.
Angus,
I don't care if I have to pay for it. I usually go wireless in the US with no problem but here I tried the hotel coffee shop and at a restaurant across the street and both showed an error. The someone told about the 64 vs 128 bit thing so I will research it and maybe I need to download a driver or something...
juiced
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Anybody out there with an Apple laptop that knows it works where I can access WiFi in coffee shop in Bangkok? I have been told that Apple computers work on 64 bit instead of 128 bit or that the wireless protocol is different in Thailand for Macs... True?
I have some work to do and want to get out of the hotel room.
Thanks.
juices[/QUOTE]
What's with 64 vs 128 -- turn on your wifi and if you have an account, it'll work. If you don't, pay for it and it'll work fine. I've got a 3+ yr iBook and never had a problem in Asia with WiFi. In bkk, worked at soi 4 hotel, and few other places....giotto's lodge for one.
If you really are having problems, suggest you post query on apple.com > support > forum discussions > wifi. You'll get more compete responses.
Thanks...I have a power book and never gives me any problems with airport. But you know macs can be a little weird (like women) when you try to hook them up... :D
I will check out apple support site.
juices
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Thanks...I have a power book and never gives me any problems with airport. But you know macs can be a little weird (like women) when you try to hook them up... :D
I will check out apple support site.
juices[/QUOTE]
I agree that macs are like women, but my analogy is:
Macs are like TGF (thai women that is), easy and straightforward: just plug and play :)
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Anybody out there with an Apple laptop that knows it works where I can access WiFi in coffee shop in Bangkok? I have been told that Apple computers work on 64 bit instead of 128 bit or that the wireless protocol is different in Thailand for Macs... True?
I have some work to do and want to get out of the hotel room.
Thanks.
juices[/QUOTE]
I use a Mac laptop. Forget the BS about 64 bit/128 bit. Thats nothing to do with the WI-FI. In BKK, Starbucks on Sukhumvit is supposed to have it. Also in the Times Square (though I am not sure about it).
If all else fails, there is also Dr. Livingstone. However, I am not sure of the protocol about how to go about it. i.e. if he will entertain anyone sitting at the bar and use the wireless, or if it is just restricted to the hotel guests. Best if you ask him, though.
[QUOTE=Kim Chee Kane]Hey all.
Thanks for all the responses. I actually ordered via victoriassecret.com and had them ship it directly (express international). I was a bit surprised when she informed me about her paying 2000 bht? She had to pay for "vat". Not sure what that means though.
In any case. Thanks for the help.
Aloha[/QUOTE]
Kim Chee Kane,
ok, now it's clear. I thought you have sent her some private stuff and packed it by yourself.
VAT means Value Added Tax, so if any goods are imported VAT has to be paid., just like in any other country.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Kim Chee Kane,
ok, now it's clear. I thought you have sent her some private stuff and packed it by yourself.
VAT means Value Added Tax, so if any goods are imported VAT has to be paid., just like in any other country.[/QUOTE]Hm. Looks like I have to stay away from ordering products from a company. I guess I can purchase items on my own without having to pay the VAT fee? Would that be the best solution?
Be safe.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]I have some work to do and want to get out of the hotel room.
Thanks.juices[/QUOTE]
juices,
Check out stickmans site for a list of free wifi locations in bkk. Not sure if can post the web add' on the board so PM if u need it.
Sid
Duni,
Yes, the Suk Starbucks has wireless which is 150bt/hour which is not bad considering that the upstairs is quiet and usually empty. Dr. Livingston has already been gracious with an invitation.
Sid,
Yes, I have seen the Stick's list for wireless.
Trav 1234,
Yeah, plug and play. And, an easy to navigate operation system too... :)
Thanks for the help...
juices
When the rain comes everything cools down and no one has to go outside. That is most likely the reason Thais associate the rain with romance and all things romantic.
When the rain comes I open all the windows and the door to my balcony and say, "Darling, it's raining. Romantic Romantic!" One time we were having sex and I asked, "I wonder how many people are watching us from their windows."
She replied, "I don't care. This is a private room and I don't mind to give the show." :)
That is a primary reason why rainy season is an excellent time to visit Thailand, especially when you are armed with this inside information! You can thank me later. ;)
poster . . .
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Angus,
I don't care if I have to pay for it. I usually go wireless in the US with no problem but here I tried the hotel coffee shop and at a restaurant across the street and both showed an error. The someone told about the 64 vs 128 bit thing so I will research it and maybe I need to download a driver or something...
juiced[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by it "showed an error"? If you open your airport connection it should either lock on to any available signal or it will ask for a 'wep password' if it detects a password protected network. Perhaps you need to configure your airport settings in 'preferences'>'network'. This will be done automatically when you click on configure.
Here is an excellent forum for asking specific and detailed questions regarding all things 'mac'
[url]http://www.ehmac.ca/[/url]
When ever I have a problem I ask there and it is usually solved by the end of the day.
Kimm Chee - what he is trying to tell you is that IF it isn't a company shipment (personal) you can get away without putting the valuation declaration and paying the VAT. Companies put exactly what is in the shipment on the declaration (and the value).
[QUOTE=Dinghy]Kimm Chee - what he is trying to tell you is that IF it isn't a company shipment (personal) you can get away without putting the valuation declaration and paying the VAT. Companies put exactly what is in the shipment on the declaration (and the value).[/QUOTE]I see. Thanks for the clarification. Now I have a better understanding. I will try ship it on my own next time. The customs require some paperwork in detail...Do I need to work it a certain way?
Thanks for the help. Greatly appreciated.
Peace
Anyone wanna meet up for a few beers in bkk? hunt around a few joints for some ass, ill be there from the 29 june, staying the nana plaza area.would love to meet some experienced mongers to show me what i have missed since i was last there 10 years ago? around the 1st july ill be in pattaya.
[QUOTE=Kim Chee Kane]I see. Thanks for the clarification. Now I have a better understanding. I will try ship it on my own next time. The customs require some paperwork in detail...Do I need to work it a certain way?
Thanks for the help. Greatly appreciated.
Peace[/QUOTE]
Kim Chee Kane,
if you make a private shipping you also have to declare what you are shipping. Customs wants to know, but they don't assume that it is brand new and therefore VAT might not be charged.
I wonder why the need to declare the contents for customs depends HOW you send the goods. Where I live you may either send it as a "parcel" or as a "letter" with the exact same measures and weight allowances. Letter is absolute the wrong word for it, because it may be a box, but that's what they call it.
A parcel must declare the contents, a letter must not. Customs logic ! :)
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Kim Chee Kane,
if you make a private shipping you also have to declare what you are shipping. Customs wants to know, but they don't assume that it is brand new and therefore VAT might not be charged.
I wonder why the need to declare the contents for customs depends HOW you send the goods. Where I live you may either send it as a "parcel" or as a "letter" with the exact same measures and weight allowances. Letter is absolute the wrong word for it, because it may be a box, but that's what they call it.
A parcel must declare the contents, a letter must not. Customs logic ! :)[/QUOTE]
I do not know about other countries, but all items sent abroad from the US via Fedex or other couriers must have the contents declared, even though it may be just a letter. For parcels a commercial invoice is also needed, declaring contents and value.
You can go to Fedex website and look under international shipments and it will tell you about all the documentations needed.
Duni,
in Germany it's different, for parcels you need to declare contents and value, but not for letters. Even if those "letters" are boxes. Strange but true.
I had sent a parcel to my GF which got lost, probably because someone in LOS liked the declared contents. So I sent another parcel but this time as a letter (actually a box again) as certified mail. This time it reached it's destination.
Anyway, you made the constraint that all items send by couriers need to be declared. Is that also the case if you send it by the state postal service ?
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Duni,
Anyway, you made the constraint that all items send by couriers need to be declared. Is that also the case if you send it by the state postal service ?[/QUOTE]
Yes. However, their tracking system ends when they hand it over to the destination country's postal service so I don't use them if it is a valuable item, monetarily or otherwise.
Hey all,
Thanks for all the great help! Very useful.
Now I have been reading the Thai section for quite sometime and realized something. I need to visit Thailand. hehe. I wanna see how crazy the madness is. Of course, I also have to spend time with my friend over there. :P
Be safe.
It has been a long time coming but I finally made it to Bangkok to try the spice of the orient. My first experience was an interesting one, possibly not the fuck fest I had plan out to be due to the lack of time and opportunity. (was there for work).
Went to Poseidon - refer to post in Massage Guide and also party hard during the nights at Spasso at Grand Hyatt.
As the night progress, there were many girls there - to the point it is sometimes difficult to discern the pros and the non pros.
As my stay got longer, begin to tell the difference between the working and non working.
At the end of my 3 days sojourn, a pretty petite and model looking working pro decided that I am a good bet :) for the night after spurring many advances from the farangs there. (sorry no pic as she did not want her pic taken)
Summary:
She stayed the night till lunch the next day where she left with a tummy full of protein :)
Total damage of 4k baht and taxi money. She was very sweet and I will definitely look for her again in GH.
Sorry if the writing is bit boring. Still learning the ropes to convey a good experience in word!
Beemer
Can you bring sextoys with you into Thailand.
I understand it is illegal.
does anyone have information about this?
[QUOTE=Sfinx]Can you bring sextoys with you into Thailand.
I understand it is illegal.
[/QUOTE]
Sfinx,
I always do :)
As far as I know it's not allowed to sell them, but it's not illegal to own them.
Don't worry about Thai customs, I have never been searched and never heard that anyone else was searched for illegal items.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Sfinx,
I always do :)
As far as I know it's not allowed to sell them, but it's not illegal to own them.
Don't worry about Thai customs, I have never been searched and never heard that anyone else was searched for illegal items.[/QUOTE]
The ban on exportation of "Buddha images" still REALLY has me scratching my head.
At a shop round the corner from Nana Plaza a couple of weeks ago, I nearly bought a 20-baht-or-whatever postcard depicting a golden Buddha.
It did, actually, enter my head that buying the thing and taking it back home with me might technically be illegal.
OK, so it wouldn't, in all actuality, have been a problem.
And yet still, the letter of the law is troubling.
Meanwhile, let's say that I've got some Thai banknotes locked away in my desk drawer back here in South Korea.
Oh dear, oh no . . . That's an image of the king of Thailand which hasn't seen the light of day for weeks on end now!
What kind of bad magic could result?
Thailand really must grow up a bit, in this respect and in others. I won't even apologize for saying this. There ARE in fact worlds of sophistication beyond. Some of us are there already, some of us just striving to get there. Thailand needs to shed a bit of its self-complacency, recognize that it's got some learning to do, and adapt itself accordingly.
I love the "dharma raja" very much, even as a communist, but don't wish to be put in jail for proposing that republicanism might be a step forward.
And so forth . . .
Sukhumvit Sam
The purpose of the ban is to eliminate people from taking precious artifacts of buddism out of the country.
I don't think this is an unreasonable law. I'm not sure if they would get upset if they caught you with postcards. I don't think they would mind.
They just don't want any type of Buddha statue(s) being sent or taken out of the country. Images like post cards or pictures you take are ok. I learned this from my tailor while shipping stuff back to the US which I didn't want to drag around with me on the second part of my trip to Hong Kong and China.
[QUOTE=Sukhumvit Sam]The ban on exportation of "Buddha images" still REALLY has me scratching my head.Sukhumvit Sam[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sfinx]Can you bring sextoys with you into Thailand.
I understand it is illegal.
does anyone have information about this?[/QUOTE]I'll be in BKK for 1st time in August. I normally go to Costa Rica. I usually take my own toys and girls undies as gifts to the girls. My friend said I might get the undies cheaper there. Seems right. I also thought electronic vibes would be cheaper, since they are made in Asia. Also, there is mention of "toys" at the Eden Club.
Aren't there any sex shops for "toys, lotions, and garments" in BKK? If so, where? Thanks in advance for your help!
[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]The purpose of the ban is to eliminate people from taking precious artifacts of buddism out of the country.[/QUOTE]
And, even if the Thai immigration and airport security didn't catch you, there's a chance that the customs official at your final destination will, i.e. there're a bunch of countries whose products are not allowed into US due to sanctions. And, there is also a range of banned products from any nations. Some due to being pirated copies, some due to being made of animal on a endangered species list, some due to having a possibility of carrying plant diseases, and some due to being components of weap0ns of m@ss destruct1on.
So, just be careful of what you purchase overseas.
[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]
I don't think this is an unreasonable law. I'm not sure if they would get upset if they caught you with postcards. I don't think they would mind.[/QUOTE]
True. The same for paintings and photo books. How else would the words spread around of the great treasures to be seen in Thailand? And, I'm not talking about the ladies. ;)
As they say, picture is worth a thousand...
Seeko
[QUOTE=Sukhumvit Sam]I love the "dharma raja" very much...
Sukhumvit Sam[/QUOTE]
So, have you walked around this mural and deciphered the scenes?
(It's at Wat Prakaew next to the Grand Palace.)
Seeko
hi,
just wanted to browse some sites like darlina or free2peek and found out that they are censored by the thai police - well maybe isg soon too.
from thailand with their nice girls
[QUOTE=Sukhumvit Sam]The ban on exportation of "Buddha images" still REALLY has me scratching my head.
Sukhumvit Sam[/QUOTE]
Actually this so call ban is really on exotic- relic Buddha images. The ones that are sold all over the streets and some gift shops are ok as these are just "tourist gifts"-ex: the plastic ones. I walked into a shop once with all sorts of Buddha statues and the owner told me which ones I could take with me or shipped out to me and which can not. If in doubt, the shops will know so just ask.
My wife and I will visit Bangkok soon. Any leads on where to pick up candidates to join us? Women only and maybe there is a particular place outside (or well known inside) Na Na or Soi Cowboy?
[QUOTE=La Licker]My wife and I will visit Bangkok soon. Any leads on where to pick up candidates to join us? [/QUOTE]
The Eden Club on Soi 7/1 is a safe bet if you want to arrange it with a minimum of hassle and been certain of getting a high level of service. You can have a session with two ladies in-house or you can "take away" one or more ladies for a session in your hotel room. Just walk into Eden and explain to the management what you want.
Aside from Eden, you can find candidates at virtually every go go and beer bar in the city, plus a lot of places not primarily known for P4P. In a "straight" nightclub during my June trip, one of the serving staff offered to take care of both my TG and my myself. Same thing happened to my nephew and his wife in one of the Nana bars (he doesn't remember which one, but I believe it was Angel Witch). One of the girls came off the stage and asked, "you want me? I do both!" and pointed to him and his wife.
So candidtaes will abound just about everywhere you look, the only question will be how good a session you can expect from Flers or bar girls.
EP
[QUOTE=La Licker]My wife and I will visit Bangkok soon. Any leads on where to pick up candidates to join us? Women only and maybe there is a particular place outside (or well known inside) Na Na or Soi Cowboy?[/QUOTE]
What kind of quality are you looking for? There are some girls at the Huntsman Pub who specialize in couples. Better quality than what you will find in the bars. Angel Witch is also a good idea. Just take you wife with you and let your intentions be known up front and everthing will be cool.
This may be a generalization but Thai P4P girls love to play with white couples.
You will have no problem at Nana.
I would let your wife pick.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sfinx
Can you bring sextoys with you into Thailand.
I understand it is illegal.
does anyone have information about this?
_____________________________________________________________
I'll be in BKK for 1st time in August. I normally go to Costa Rica. I usually take my own toys and girls undies as gifts to the girls. My friend said I might get the undies cheaper there. Seems right. I also thought electronic vibes would be cheaper, since they are made in Asia. Also, there is mention of "toys" at the Eden Club.
Aren't there any sex shops for "toys, lotions, and garments" in BKK? If so, where? Thanks in advance for your help!
[QUOTE=Tropic Tourist]Quote:
Originally Posted by Sfinx
Can you bring sextoys with you into Thailand.
I understand it is illegal.
does anyone have information about this?
_____________________________________________________________
I'll be in BKK for 1st time in August. I normally go to Costa Rica. I usually take my own toys and girls undies as gifts to the girls. My friend said I might get the undies cheaper there. Seems right. I also thought electronic vibes would be cheaper, since they are made in Asia. Also, there is mention of "toys" at the Eden Club.
Aren't there any sex shops for "toys, lotions, and garments" in BKK? If so, where? Thanks in advance for your help![/QUOTE]
You can buy your standard "undies" very cheaply in BKK. If you want something "special" you should bring your own. Toys are extremely hard to acquire so if you want it, bring it. Eden has some toys, mostly for you. I don't remember seeing any for the girls, but I could be wrong because I wasn't looking.
[QUOTE=Rebad]This may be a generalization but Thai P4P girls love to play with white couples.
You will have no problem at Nana.
I would let your wife pick.[/QUOTE]
It is a generalization and not necessarly correct. Despite what you see around Patpong and Sukhumvit, homo and bisexuality is not accepted by regular Thais.
I just read a book about Thailand. Private Dancer is the name. It paints Thailand as a scary place.
[QUOTE=Boy Wonder]I just read a book about Thailand. Private Dancer is the name. It paints Thailand as a scary place.[/QUOTE]
It is, stay home!
[QUOTE=Retired Army]It is, stay home![/QUOTE]
Yep. Too many bestards.
BW - only if you let the little head do the thinking
<He's been and he's no dummy>
<batsman out>
[QUOTE=Boy Wonder]I just read a book about Thailand. Private Dancer is the name. It paints Thailand as a scary place.[/QUOTE]
Scary in what sense? If you are scared of getting more bonks in one week in Thailand than you will in your entire life at home and perhaps wearing out that heart and didi then you should indeed stay at home. Otherwise, forget what all those books and Christian advocates say and get over there and see for yourself. In case you havent noticed, we mongers on this forum are big supporters of LOS.
We are only scared of not having enough time to do it all while we are over there.
PT
[QUOTE=Boy Wonder]I just read a book about Thailand. Private Dancer is the name. It paints Thailand as a scary place.[/QUOTE]Private Dancer is nice to read, but it also give you the guidance what you must avoid: fall in love. Whatever bargirls tell you, never believe half a word of it! Keep it just as a business transaction or be lucky, search on chat rooms and find a decent university girl as I did and you don't have all that BG trouble.
I just received this from a good friend of mine who is in a position to know...
...Just spoke with a friend who is very well tuned into the governmental scene here in Thailand. His belief (and that of other prominent folks) is that the current govt. will try to do a takeover ..... probably soon, and most surely by the end of the year. The reason is that the current govt. has stolen so much that they HAVE to stay in power or suffer serious consequences. So they will effect a takeover.
According to the friend several political analysts have predicted a Khmer Rouge type govt. here by the end of the year. I asked what effect it would have on foreigners and he said it would not be a healthy environment to be living in. In addition he told me that an acquaintance in the police dept asked "which side he was on"? He responded "The kings"!
Now isn't that just great.
He said that one of the precursors to watch for is whether or not the planned election coming up in the near future actually takes place. He doesn't think it will. Or if it does it will likely be stolen.
p.s. The situation in the south is likely to "go south" soon as well. Many Thais trained in indonesia, will be arriving back in Thailand soon. If you have to ask what they've been trained in / for, delete the message and go to the disney channel. I hope my friend is wrong, but he seldom is.
... and further more.
Let me add: The thinking is that opposition candidates will be assassinated, which will start a back and forth tit for tat. This will end in a civil war. (God let him be wrong)
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I just received this from a good friend of mine who is in a position to know...
...Just spoke with a friend who is very well tuned into the governmental scene here in Thailand. His belief (and that of other prominent folks) is that the current govt. will try to do a takeover ..... probably soon, and most surely by the end of the year. The reason is that the current govt. has stolen so much that they HAVE to stay in power or suffer serious consequences. So they will effect a takeover.
According to the friend several political analysts have predicted a Khmer Rouge type govt. here by the end of the year. I asked what effect it would have on foreigners and he said it would not be a healthy environment to be living in. In addition he told me that an acquaintance in the police dept asked "which side he was on"? He responded "The kings"!
Now isn't that just great.
He said that one of the precursors to watch for is whether or not the planned election coming up in the near future actually takes place. He doesn't think it will. Or if it does it will likely be stolen.
p.s. The situation in the south is likely to "go south" soon as well. Many Thais trained in indonesia, will be arriving back in Thailand soon. If you have to ask what they've been trained in / for, delete the message and go to the disney channel. I hope my friend is wrong, but he seldom is.
... and further more.
Let me add: The thinking is that opposition candidates will be assassinated, which will start a back and forth tit for tat. This will end in a civil war. (God let him be wrong)[/QUOTE]
Hate to disagree, what you have to look at is the Kings health. If the king dies then there is a good chance a take over could happen. The King is all powerful in LOS and all will follow his orders.
Second the Thai People are way to smart, no way a Khmer Rouge type of government will ever take over.
Shamas O'D
R Army,
C'mon, your friend is presenting you with something that's not only too bleak but againts the best interest of those who want to stay in power. Of course the govt. is stealing money but to create a state that is too extreme would not work in Thailand for many reasons but mostly there would be too much economic and political pressure from the outside to not create a totalitarian state.
You need to know that Thailand is doing well now and it has a great economic future provided the govt. keeps an open mind to outside investment and being close to getting a trade deal with the US would benefit Thailand in a big way that going extreme would not be a smart move.
Also, as somone already said it in here, the King would not allow a government going to an extreme power. And don't forget Thai people, although they follow tradition, they are quiet progressive and savy politically and socially...
A more realistic picture would be that the PM would do what he can to stay in power to continue to make tons of $$ but keep the power in check as it would benefit him and his buddies a lot more than just taking complete control of everything. What he needs to learn to do is to be a little more subtle on how to steal money and benefit from his other businesses tied to his power reach...
juices
I am just passing this along for general discussion. I didn't say I agreed or disagreed. Anything is possible in the LOS. The one thing I will agree on is that the King is the "wild card."
I don't see the danger coming from the actual government. Th.s support in the upper Thai society is not strong any more, he pissed too many rich families off.
The real danger is upcoming when the actual k.i*n.g is not on the thrown any more. Unfortunately he had an accident a few days ago, and seriously suffers from a fracture of his pelvis right now. In case of negative developments - everybody knows that his sucessor on the thrown is well connected in the army, and has some different ideas about democracy than his father.
Then the hour of truth for the Thai democracy might come.
Giotto
I think both Giotto and Juice have good points here. The one thing to remember is that the son is not the father in any way shape of form. Giotto is right about his connections and his politics. He also doesn't like Farang at all. Many think he won't take over because he is not liked by the people. But, with the military and his mother behind him, not to mention the birth last year of his son and successor, there's no doubt that he will be the next man at the top.
As for Thaksin...Although he's more or less back in charge, he is on very shakey ground. He doesn't quite enjoy the support of the army that some think he does. There are some very influential commanders in the military who are against him. Giotto is also correct that the Thai establishment are against him and they have a lot of money and power to stand in his way.
A Khmer Rouge of any type is impossible here. Thailand isn't post-Vietnam War Cambodia, poor and devastated by Nixon's secret war. This is a prosperous and comparatively developed country that can ill-afford the absolutism and extremism of it's past.
But, remember we're all armchair analysts here and Farang at that. Nobody really knows what will happen, not even the Thais. This country is always full of surprises.
OTH,
You make a good point of two different generations of likes/dislikes and experiences. The son has been to some degree sheltered from the "real" world and his father has always been viewed as an adventurer and progressive that travelled the world and was very interested in the arts (musician, painter, photographer, etc) which expanded his world and life views and experiences. The son can be viewed as a spoiled brat with little real life experience.
However, Thailand being an important player in the Asia market cannot afford politically or economically an extreme government based on biases. The fact that the son does not like Farangs might have little consequence in how the country is run because in the end it's about survival and prosperity not about liking someone. The US does not like many countries (i.e. China) but it has to do business with to survive and prosper.
But, I could be 100% wrong. Thailand has matured over the past 10 years to become a regional player and they have too much to lose from going to an extreme...
juices
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]If one reads through history, Thailand is the only country never occupied during any major war. It is one of the few with bloodless coups, always with the 'sanction/approval' of the royal family.
Thai people have tremendous amount of tolerance, witness the current Thaksin regime. However certain things the people will never tolerate...that includes a 'regime'.
Anyone that thinks any type of Khmer Rouge regime will be established doesn't even qualify as an armchair analyst!
IMHO[/QUOTE]
Not exactly.
Between the 16th and 18th century, parts of Thailand were occupied a total of 19 times by the Burmese. Thailand avoided occupation in the 19th century because it ceded large chunks of territory to both the French and British who agreed to to leave the remainder as a buffer zone between French interests in Indo-China and British interests in Burma and Malaysia. During WW II, The Thais lost a short war with the Japanese culminating in a battle in Chumphon on Dec. 8, 1941. Thereafter, Prime Minister, Field-Marshal Phibun under pressure became an ally of the Japanese and even declared war on Britain and the US, although this wasn't taken seriously by either. Out of appreciation, the Japanese returned large parts of occupied territory in Burma and Malaysia that had once been Thailand's. There were over 150,000 Japanese troops stationed in Thailand, most of whom were involved in the construction of the Death Railway. So, Thailand was indeed occupied in war. It was only after the war started to turn against the Japanese, that Phibun was forced from power in 1944.
In the recent past, so-called bloodless coups have later resulted in numerous deaths during popular uprisings such as the one in 1972.
The Thais are VERY tolerant. But, at some point even they snap. When this happens, anything can happen and usually does. Violence is certainly a real possibility when Thais have had enough.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]Not exactly.
The Thais are VERY tolerant. But, at some point even they snap. When this happens, anything can happen and usually does. Violence is certainly a real possibility when Thais have had enough.[/QUOTE]
So much for my armchair analysis :)
[QUOTE=Retired Army]It is, stay home![/QUOTE]Nah I will probably buy a condo or a home in Pattya and put the property in my good friends name, not a bar girl she is a university grad who works at the airport. This book just points out some things that I noticed myself about Thailand and its natives. On that note Thailand is no scarier then I would say the Westside of Chicago the murder capital of the US and my childhood home. Take care R.A.
[QUOTE=Dinghy]BW - only if you let the little head do the thinking
<He's been and he's no dummy>
<batsman out>[/QUOTE]I just left had no problems at all besides Thai taxi driver/friend begging for money and poor performances of girls in bed. Take care
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Scary in what sense? If you are scared of getting more bonks in one week in Thailand than you will in your entire life at home and perhaps wearing out that heart and didi then you should indeed stay at home. Otherwise, forget what all those books and Christian advocates say and get over there and see for yourself. In case you havent noticed, we mongers on this forum are big supporters of LOS.
We are only scared of not having enough time to do it all while we are over there.
PT[/QUOTE]I did not find Bangkok too much to my liking. But one night in Pattaya was all it took and I am already looking for property to buy. As I stated earlier this book did make some good points and offered some good advice but it wont change my mind about the LOS. I will though handle the people a lot different because this book pointed out some of their behavior I couldn’t quite understand. Thanks take care.
[QUOTE=Eric Thai Addict]Private Dancer is nice to read, but it also give you the guidance what you must avoid: fall in love. Whatever bargirls tell you, never believe half a word of it! Keep it just as a business transaction or be lucky, search on chat rooms and find a decent university girl as I did and you don't have all that BG trouble.[/QUOTE]Guidance?
Its my new LOS Mongering bible. Thanks take care.
[QUOTE=Boy Wonder]Nah I will probably buy a condo or a home in Pattya and put the property in my good friends name, not a bar girl she is a university grad who works at the airport..[/QUOTE]
Boy Wonder,
why not buy that condo in your own name or a house on a company's name ?
Don't forget, people may change and even your "good friend" might turn into a not so good friend one day. Just be careful !
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]R Army,
C'mon, your friend is presenting you with something that's not only too bleak but againts the best interest of those who want to stay in power. Of course the govt. is stealing money but to create a state that is too extreme would not work in Thailand for many reasons but mostly there would be too much economic and political pressure from the outside to not create a totalitarian state.
You need to know that Thailand is doing well now and it has a great economic future provided the govt. keeps an open mind to outside investment and being close to getting a trade deal with the US would benefit Thailand in a big way that going extreme would not be a smart move.
Also, as somone already said it in here, the King would not allow a government going to an extreme power. And don't forget Thai people, although they follow tradition, they are quiet progressive and savy politically and socially...
A more realistic picture would be that the PM would do what he can to stay in power to continue to make tons of $$ but keep the power in check as it would benefit him and his buddies a lot more than just taking complete control of everything. What he needs to learn to do is to be a little more subtle on how to steal money and benefit from his other businesses tied to his power reach...
juices[/QUOTE]
The source of this information is actually the Thai Foreign Mininstry, by way of one of our Western embassies.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Boy Wonder,
why not buy that condo in your own name or a house on a company's name ?
Don't forget, people may change and even your "good friend" might turn into a not so good friend one day. Just be careful ![/QUOTE]
Will keep that in mine.
[QUOTE=Boy Wonder]I did not find Bangkok too much to my liking. But one night in Pattaya was all it took and I am already looking for property to buy. As I stated earlier this book did make some good points and offered some good advice but it wont change my mind about the LOS. I will though handle the people a lot different because this book pointed out some of their behavior I couldn’t quite understand. Thanks take care.[/QUOTE]
Now thats the spirit I wanted to hear from you.
Its just funny as I found the opposite to be true for alot of people out there. They tend to like BKK as it has alot more to offer (more big city feel) and like Patts less as its described as more "sleezy". I happen to like both for the differences, and they are both close enough (2 hrs by taxi/bus) that it dont really matter which is better.
BTW: not sure if actually buying a place in Patts is such a great idea as its cheap enough to just rent (long term) when you are there. Not sure of all the regulations of foreigners owning property in LOS.
PT
Retired Army,
Look at the article from the Nation below where the PM is trying to make a case for democracy in Thailand with foreigner governments despite the fact he is losing support and dspite the fact he is the one putting democracy at risk..
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/07/13/headlines/headlines_30008539.php[/url]
juices
I found some interesting material at this site. Has anyone had experience about meeting a "guide" on the friends list? Planning on making another visit soon, I hope!!! Some of the girls there are hot.
Thx Fred
SUKHUMVIT BARS DEMOLITION
Chuwit avoids conviction
Lawyer gets 8 months' jail but alleged leaders of controversial raid 'unsighted'
Former Chat Thai MP Chuwit Kamolvisit and associates were yesterday acquitted of charges relating to the demolition of Sukhumvit Square bars and shops in early 2003, following a lengthy trial at the Southern Bangkok Criminal Court.
However, a lawyer working for the company that carried out the demolition, Nickel Company, was sentenced to eight months in jail for his involvement in the demolition.
A lawsuit filed by 103 plaintiffs had demanded Bt103 million in compensation and maximum penalties for the accused.
At about 4am on January 26, 2003, Chuwit and his accomplices bulldozed 60 beer bars and shops on the 10-rai square and then cordoned off the area, barring business owners from returning to see what was left, the plaintiffs said.
The defendants faced charges of damaging property, intrusion and illegal detention.
The charges against Chuwit, Lt-Colonel Himalai Phewphan of the Supreme Command, Army Major Thanyathep Thamathorn and 126 others were dismissed on the grounds of insufficient evidence, the court said.
The area was demolished at night so it was impossible to identify who did it, the court said.
Chuwit was merely a property owner who had sublet his property to others, while there was no evidence against Himalai, Thanyathep and the security guards in charge of the area, the court said.
However, the court found enough evidence to convict lawyer Chanvej Malaibucha, who worked for the company that carried out the demolition. He was sentenced to one year in jail, but the sentence was reduced to eight months because he provided useful testimony.
After the ruling, Chuwit said he respected the court's decision and would not file more lawsuits against the police or anyone else because he wanted the case to end.
The ruling confirmed that he had nothing to do with the demolition, he said.
Police spent more than two months gathering evidence leading to the suspects' arrests. The lawsuit was filed on March 13, 2003. All suspects denied the charges and the court took more than three years to consider the case, which included the questioning of 300 witnesses from the plaintiffs' side and nearly 100 defence witnesses.
Only one journalist was allowed to attend yesterday's court session in which the verdict was read.
Source: [url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/07/14/national/national_30008667.php[/url]
[QUOTE=Boy Wonder]I did not find Bangkok too much to my liking. But one night in Pattaya was all it took and I am already looking for property to buy. .....[/QUOTE]Hey, just like with pussy: it's cheaper and safer to rent rather than buy.
Forget the ferang attitude about real estate. It does NOT appreciate in TH (actually often de-preciates) and is very hard to sell when you need to. My Thai ex has 5 properties in BKK and up-country she cannot get rid off since 1998 and actuallypays ppl to to live in as house sitters!
I'm staying in a serviced studio apartment in a nice quiet, little "mansion" on Phuket, with pool, DSL internet in room, A/C, kitchen ect for 10000 THB/mo (US$270) and my Thai friends tell me I pay too much.
PM me you're interested in info about mongering/wellness tours around Europe or Phuket or general consulting about TH.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]Retired Army,
Look at the article from the Nation below where the PM is trying to make a case for democracy in Thailand with foreigner governments despite the fact he is losing support and dspite the fact he is the one putting democracy at risk..
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/07/13/headlines/headlines_30008539.php[/url]
juices[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the article. Just like everything else in Thailand: what does it really mean?
R Army,
I cannot tell you what it means but it is what it is. It could be a smoke screen by the PM to do something else. Rember that deception is a tool to gain power in government (and business and relationships, etc). We have plenty of deception in the US. Nothing to do with conspiracies but what else can the embattled PM do? Anyway, I think the doomed scenerio will not happen but maybe a coup by the military could be in the horizon if they don't get their power struggle together. The military is probably waiting for the 2 parties to figure it out before they either consider it or take action. If it does happen I believe it would be temporary.
juices
[QUOTE=Retired Army]Thanks for the article. Just like everything else in Thailand: what does it really mean?[/QUOTE]
Some place in Texas a village is missing it's idiot. Last seen at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, Washington DC.
Shamas O'D
Here is a reason why Thailand should get their shit together with their politics before is too late...
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/07/17/bloomberg/sxbaht.php[/url]
And, here is another reason. Loosing investments opprotunities is a huge mistake for a developing country and if the PM does not give a shit about it then someone should...
[url]http://www.playfuls.com/news_03484_US_hard_disk_Giant_Chooses_Malaysia_Over_Thailand_.html[/url]
juices
can anyone tell me what this place is like... is it bargirl terratory like issaan or a better area??..
[QUOTE=Dutch Boy]can anyone tell me what this place is like... is it bargirl terratory like issaan or a better area??..[/QUOTE]
What do you mean by "is it bargirl terratory like issaan" ??
[QUOTE=Dutch Boy]can anyone tell me what this place is like... is it bargirl terratory like issaan or a better area??..[/QUOTE]
Why do you assume Issan is bargirl territory? Just because the majority of bar girls come from Issan doesn't make it a bad place. Undeveloped economically, but not a bad place.
[QUOTE=Dutch Boy]can anyone tell me what this place is like... is it bargirl terratory like issaan or a better area??..[/QUOTE]
Or are you trying to decide if your new tilac is a good girl because she comes from Surrathani and not Isaan ??
[QUOTE=Dutch Boy]can anyone tell me what this place is like... is it bargirl terratory like issaan or a better area??..[/QUOTE]
Dutch Boy,
Surathani is just another town in the South, neither better nor worse than any other town in LOS.
You can't judge anybody by his/her birthplace or where he/she used to live.
If you have any prejudices about bargirls or P4P in general you should rather ask yourself under which circumstances you have met the person in question and if she has a regular job, how she behaves and so on.
yeap... you guys are right, sorry for my ermm... somewhat misplaced post there!!.. :-))
Well, it has been several days since I have arrived in Bangkok and I suppose its time to start sharing some of my experiences in the hunt for inexpensive horizontal refreshment, if only to stop Giotto from nagging me about it. Since you guys have all been there and done that, I’ll just post things that are different, if only from a newcomer's point of view.
Day 1
Sorry, nothing really juicy here, but it was my first night in town and when you experience things like this by yourself, it tends to change you.
I had a delay in Tokyo and arrived in Bangkok around 3AM Tuesday morning. After checking in at Giotto’s, I took a quick shower and went for a walk. I like taking walks around new places I stay at to get a feel for the area and mark places of interest like Internet Cafes, Money exchanges etc. I eventually made my way to Soi Cowboy and found that it was pretty much closed for the evening. A cabbie saw me and waved. I went over and we chatted a bit. He asked me if I was looking for a girl, and if so he knew where to find one at this late hour. No charge to look and I was free to leave if I didn’t like any of the girls. Against my better judgment, I agreed and off we went. While in the cab, I chatted with him and he mentioned a few places he knew. Alarms really went off in my head when I heard the name “Cupidity”. I believe someone posted earlier this place gives kickbacks to the cabbies.
Anyway, we wound up at this place I think was called the “Stardust”. The cabbie said he wanted to check to see if any girls were still there, asked me to stay in the car and went inside. Yeah right, I thought. More likely he wanted to go inside to make sure he got his finder’s fee. The place was dark, rather shady looking and it was a bit intimidating when about 4-5 guys came out of the bar and approached the cab. I’ve been in fights in my younger years in the military and prepared myself to get rolled. I had no illusions of winning, but I was going to make damn sure someone was going to bleed before I went down. As it turned out, they checked me out, thought things were okay and brought out two girls. Neither girl was particularly attractive to me but I asked how much for the taller and skinnier of the two was. The guy in charge initially wanted 3000, I countered with 2000, and that got him down to 2700, which included barfine and the LT itself. Not much of a LT since it was already 4AM and told him so. We haggled some more, but I wasn’t really interested and more than a little on edge with 4 other guys standing around watching me. Eventually I just asked the cabbie to drive me back. As we left, one of the guys tried to get me to tip him for parking in the spot. I refused and asked him what he was talking about. I eyed the cabbie and the cabbie said something to this clown then waved him off. I asked the cabbie to drive me back to the hotel. At this point, I just wanted to get some rest and lay off hunting until I got some better advice from Giotto and other local fellow mongers.
More interesting encounters to follow…
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[QUOTE=Fox Two]....A cabbie saw me and waved. I went over and we chatted a bit. He asked me if I was looking for a girl, and if so he knew where to find one at this late hour. No charge to look and I was free to leave if I didn’t like any of the girls. Against my better judgment, I agreed and off we went.....[/QUOTE]
Whilst not advisable to take this kind of trip, its far from dangerous, and the worst case is paying well over the odds for some P4P, personally, i think the fact you've done it has wised you up even more, and i think you played all of the situations that followed perfectly.
Although at 4am, i would suggest walking the sukhumvit, on the odd numbered side, between soi 19 (Robinsons) and soi 3, be careful of katoey pickpockets between soi Asoke and Soi 19, under the BTS. Plenty of fun to be had with FL's and bBG's who have finished shift, also plenty of drink & food stalls, and even Subway sandwich on the corner of soi 7/1.
[QUOTE=Dutch Boy]can anyone tell me what this place is like... is it bargirl terratory like issaan or a better area??..[/QUOTE]Surathani is not a bad place at all. Good staging area on the Southern Railroad for trips to Ko Samui and Ko Phuket. Take the sleeper train from BKK at 17oo and you'll be in either destination by next day by noon, well rested and ready to kit the beaches. Much cheeper and more hassle free than flying and more comfortable than bussing in. (RR line runs all the way to Singapore).
Many flirting opportunities with 'good' girls on the train. I've even got shagged right in a sleeper berth.
Day 2
Woke up, showered again and went downstairs for breakfast. I met Giotto and his day staff. Everyone was friendly and we hit it off well. I spoke with Giotto for a bit and he was gracious enough to offer to show me around a few of the local bars on Soi 33 later in the evening. I spent the day walking around and making travel arrangements to Vietnam (the next leg of my vacation). Later I came back for some dinner and got ready for the evening.
The name of the first bar eludes me ("The Office" I think?), but it’s within walking distance accross from the hotel. Being new to Bangkok, Giotto was nice enough to give me a rundown of what to expect, how to flag down a girl (basically just make eye contact and wave), and described some of the local lore. None of the girls at the first bar really stood out and after a drink, we moved on.
The next club was Monet, which was pretty much around the corner and a few buildings down. It was a smaller place and the music was a little louder. Giotto spotted some acquaintances and made small talk with them while I chatted with a girl named “Mon”. Mon was a short, cute girl with a friendly and bubbly attitude. While not a knock out beauty, she did have a certain charm and reminded me of a past girlfriend. We joked around a bit, asked the usual questions. Where are you from? How long are you staying? Etc. She started giving me an impromptu shoulder massage and things started progressing quite nicely. Giotto finished up his conversation and caught my eye. He suggested we try another place or two since he thought that since Mon was not drop dead gorgeous, she would probably still be free if nothing better turned up later. So I made an excuse to Mon, conveniently blamed Giotto for dragging me off and away we went.
Club Renoir was our next stop and this place was a bit classier than the last two. The furnishings were higher quality and the girls were better dressed. Several were quite attractive. Giotto picked up conversation with someone he knew, while I chatted up a girl whose name sounded like, “San”. San was a dark exquisite beauty. She had smooth skin and a toned body with small but firm looking breasts. She was in her mid twenties and definitely not an amateur. I was hooked. Her English was quite good and we played the usual “get to know you” small talk game. San was more reserved and while she didn’t mind leaving the bar with me to hang out, she made it clear that she couldn’t do a ST/LT session. She made some excuse about recently recovering from some surgery. No, not a ladyboy operation. Giotto would agree we were talking to someone 100% female. Anyway, I made it equally clear that a happy ending was what I was looking for in the evening. Regrettably, after a bit more chatting, no accommodation could be found and we bid our farewells and moved on to Giotto’s place for a look around. In retrospect, perhaps San had been more interested in going with Giotto after learning who he was, but whatever her reasons, she certainly knew she was attractive and knew how to play her game.
His place was quiet that evening and while there were several girls about, none of them really sparked my interest. As a side note, I must comment that Giotto’s mamasan is quite an attractive lady, at least in my book. So after a drink, I bid Giotto a good evening and headed back to Monet to see if Mon was still around. She was and we picked up right where we left off. After some small talk, some mutual massage and kissing, we agreed on 2000 for a LT session plus a tip if things went well.
We got back to the hotel and showered up together making sure to pay extra attention to the more sensitive parts. There was lots of DFK and we moved on to the bed for the main event. Oral wasn’t all that great as she tended to use her hands too much to stroke. We did several positions and finished up in doggie. After cleaning up, we curled up together and slept til morning. I didn’t feel like a second round when we woke up, so we showered and I treated her to breakfast before seeing her off.
More to follow…
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I plan to come to Thailand & maybe Vietnam via Laos for 12-18 days in late Nov/early Dec & as a complete newbie to the post here in Thailand,i am a monger in Canada who travels to Cuba alot,there is tons on info i desperately need to know before i book my trip.
I will not bore you all with the 100s of guestions here,but it would be great if some of you reply to me in a PM some ideas i am going to know:for example,how much would i need which includes $1500 in airfare,very modest accomadations in bangkok,pattaya,phuket,laos & vietnam,food,some drinks & of course a woman or 2 per day.
Thank you in advance to all who PMs me.
For a solo newbie i love this site,but theres just way too much info for 1 man to read & get a unbiased opinion from member who have there preference towards certain bars & hotels,and have an endless supply of funds to play with.
[QUOTE=Member #3200]I plan to come to Thailand & maybe Vietnam via Laos for 12-18 days in late Nov/early Dec & as a complete newbie to the post here in Thailand,i am a monger in Canada who travels to Cuba alot,there is tons on info i desperately need to know before i book my trip.
I will not bore you all with the 100s of guestions here,but it would be great if some of you reply to me in a PM some ideas i am going to know:for example,how much would i need which includes $1500 in airfare,very modest accomadations in bangkok,pattaya,phuket,laos & vietnam,food,some drinks & of course a woman or 2 per day.
Thank you in advance to all who PMs me.
For a solo newbie i love this site,but theres just way too much info for 1 man to read & get a unbiased opinion from member who have there preference towards certain bars & hotels,and have an endless supply of funds to play with.[/QUOTE]
As a senior member, you should know to RTFF first, and then ask specific questions for which you did not get an answer. Hey if you want to be lazy, that's fine. But please do not think that we have the time to answer either, for newbie questions. Perhaps some newbie will help you out.
Duni,
with all due respect, but I wonder what that RTFF advice is good for.
Nobody forces you or anybody else to reply to him. He politely asked for some advice via PM and I can't see anything wrong with it.
Also keep in mind that infos do change over the time.
for someone from north america who might have 1 chance in his life 2 afford to experience a trip to the other side of the world,i miss 1 day online & i might miss 3 pages of info on bangkok,there's more 2 travelling for us here if going 2 thailand that it might be 2 the more experienced/wealthier & who live closer than some of us, it is not because i am lazy,there is just more involved when planning such a trip.
compared to doing homework on such places as cuba,dominican republic & or costa rica compared to thailand,thailand is a novel to read while those places are as simple as a poem 2 read.
if most of you this i should just RTFF then fine i will do so,i asked nicely & i see what the responses were & the kind of society we live in nowadays.
Member #3200,
Traveler1234 gave you some good advice via PM how to start from scratch.
If you have any [b]specific[/b] questions feel free to ask, you will get answers.
But don't expect us to write a complete "Thailand for Newbies" guide in response to a question like "what to do in LOS ?".
You must do your part of the trade.
I also kindly ask you to stick to Jackson's [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=156273&postcount=91]Posting Guidelines[/url], chat style is not allowed (reads quite ugly), being a senior you should know.
Thank you
[QUOTE=The Traveler]...with all due respect, but I wonder what that RTFF advice is good for....
[/QUOTE]
I totally agree, as you well know, RTFF these days means going through pages and pages of individual member flames/arguments/disagreements just to find a single post of actual info. Hardly time well spent.
Theres always reports of distinction & FAQ
[QUOTE=Meaty]I totally agree, as you well know, RTFF these days means going through pages and pages of individual member flames/arguments/disagreements just to find a single post of actual info. Hardly time well spent.[/QUOTE]
Flames? Arguments? Disagreements? Where? when? how? by whom?
:D
This is not directed per se to Member # 3200 but to any newbie or senior member. I pm rather than posted a reply, per his request. It is quoted below along with his reply:
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My PM
Re: Newbie
Originally Posted by Traveler1234
Welcome to LOS threads.
You may or may not get pm from others. From me, a polite RTFf. This site has probably the most information (except for possibly China but that's because China has more places).
Start with FAQ - it has all the essentials and is one of the few countries that has a good FAQ.
Then read a couple of the reports of distinction....by then you'll be an expert before even visiting.
Reason for this advice is because you don't tell us what you're into? There are MP, go go bars, FL, escort services, and literally tons of 'opportunities' for pussy. Probably the only place as concentrated in one area and easy in Asia is Indonesia, eg.
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His reply
i wanna do all,but there is more 2 planning a trip than pussy-how much cash 2 bring along/what travller's cheques/malaria shots?/travelling within certain countries/personal security & other issues including accomodations--its a wide arrange of questions i am asking & looking 4 help--thats why i am doing it now-3 months b4 i book
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I think the FAQ answers most of his questions. So I leave it to each individual to draw his own conclusion re how we should reply to similar future 'queries'?
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]This is not directed per se to Member # 3200 but to any newbie or senior member. I pm rather than posted a reply, per his request. It is quoted below along with his reply:
--Traveler's stuff deleted--
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His reply
i wanna do all,but there is more 2 planning a trip than pussy-how much cash 2 bring along/what travller's cheques/malaria shots?/travelling within certain countries/personal security & other issues including accomodations--its a wide arrange of questions i am asking & looking 4 help--thats why i am doing it now-3 months b4 i book
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I think the FAQ answers most of his questions. So I leave it to each individual to draw his own conclusion re how we should reply to similar future 'queries'?[/QUOTE]
Two ideas popped into my head when I read the query: 1) the use of chat room style typing and 2) the nature of the query. Let me discuss my 2nd thought first. Regarding travel to Thailand, there are numerous travel sites that offer comments/suggestions about health, personal security, transportation, money, traveller's checks, cash etc. These range from Fodor's to Lonely Planet to the infrequent comment in Stickman. Thus, I would suggest that the noob either read the web or go to a knowledgable travel agent in his (I assume that the noob is a he) neighborhood. That thought was reinforced by the chatroom style of typing; my impression--based on albeit very limited data--is that the noob is lazy and wants people to give him a bunch of advice that he just doesn't want to look up on his own; he has admitted having three months to search for information.
Well. I suppose that I could suggest that he take only cash, pay THB8,000 LT at Thermae or Grace, get a room from Giotto for THB4,000/night, and try some of that
keng rot action that the girls are up on.
BTW--I'll be arriving LOS Tuesday for a week, staying over on Suk Soi 20. If anyone is up for a beer, PM me. I'll also stop by Giotto's to check out the rooms!
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Duni,
with all due respect, but I wonder what that RTFF advice is good for.
Nobody forces you or anybody else to reply to him. He politely asked for some advice via PM and I can't see anything wrong with it.
Also keep in mind that infos do change over the time.[/QUOTE]
Traveler
He may have asked politely, but that is the minimum one should do, ask politely. However, if he had RTFFed he would have some idea of wht to do and where to stay, and what kind of budget he should make. Now, if he has more questions, he should post those specific ones and we all would be glad to help a fellow mongerer out.
I also come from North America and when I went on my first trip, I RTFFed the long way (did not know how to use the search function), by reading the reports, and then asked my questions. In the old days when this was paranoia.com one really had to do research.
So my conclusion as others have come to see it, he is one lazy b*****d, with an gimme, gimme attitude who does not deserve any help.
1Ball, The Traveler, Meaty, Duni and everyone else, including Member # 3200!
I'm as guilty as the next guy and sincerely apologize to all for wasting good bandwidth and space on this thread. It won't happen again here or elsewhere from me.
I noticed the level of flames/tension rising lately...maybe cuz it's summer months and most of us are stuck at home and not getting enough.
See what we ALL started...LOL.
So from now on when a silly and/or lazy query is posted:
1. if newbie, ignore it for others (i hope everyone else also just ignores it)
2. if from a senior member, put the lazy bxxxxx on my ignore list
Cheers
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]1Ball, The Traveler, Meaty, Duni and everyone else, including Member # 3200!
I'm as guilty as the next guy and sincerely apologize to all for wasting good bandwidth and space on this thread. It won't happen again here or elsewhere from me.
I noticed the level of flames/tension rising lately...maybe cuz it's summer months and most of us are stuck at home and not getting enough.
See what we ALL started...LOL.
So from now on when a silly and/or lazy query is posted:
1. if newbie, ignore it for others (i hope everyone else also just ignores it)
2. if from a senior member, put the lazy bxxxxx on my ignore list
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Well...for the benefit of the old(er) mongerers (e.g., Asian Gambler, Asian Rain, Old China Hand, Raz., etc.), I would most gladly offer suggestions (probably via PM) if the guy said:
1. Help! I've got a 24 hour layover in [pick a really good mongering city] and my plane
leaves in two hours.
2. What are the places to go to in that 24 hour period?
I thinkt that I would suggest a hotel and places to which the guy should go. These guys have been around, know the cost of different types of hotels and have an idea of how much they want to spend. They are asking simply to be pointed in the right direction.
I've done it myself, and have appreciated the feedback from fellow mongerers.
Then again, I've had to shave my tongue and use a bottle of Clear Eyes after such experiences!
Cheers,
BD
Don't answer. Disregard the post. I know sometimes you want to say rtff but today's newbie may be a valuable contributor down the road. Even if he asks a stupid question now. I don't mind reading hotel or massage questions that have been asked before. I appeciate getting updated info.
Let's not be too rough on new visitors. Just my .02.
An option to deal with newbie (or senior members) RTFF questions is to send them to a specific post that has the answers to most of the questions they might need. That is why I wrote the 5 nights itinerary ([url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364994&postcount=328[/url]). I strongly suggest that somebody work on a document that answers most of the RTFF questions even better than the itinerary, and when somebody finally asks what we feel is a silly question that has been asked over and over again, we can refer them to that post. Unfortunately, we are going to come across members who are lazy, who are not computer savvy (don't know how to search, or even PM), who don't care to read rules, or whatever. I feel that it is wrong to ignore them because then they will feel excluded and they won't know why. You never know, perhaps one of these members might become a very productive poster in our group. I know when I started here, I didn't know squat. The thing that helped me was that I was so psyched about my first trip that I kept reading report after report, and that kept me from posting a newbie RTFF post. I am sure it would only take a couple of hours to research the document I propose, and another 1/2 hour to type it up. If anybody is interested in working on this, PM me and we can write it up. The more veterans that pitch in on this, the better and faster the document will be written up. Then we can point the RTFF posters to the document. Let me know what you all think about my idea.
Phuquer
In theory, what you suggest is a great idea. If one tries to go through the multiple threads, it would take forever. And someone in the Shanghai thread (david zzzz) actually did that, but just for Shanghai (and they still get numerous lazy queries).
However, as I tried to politely point out to Member # 3200 in my pm (again not singling him out per se), a hour or two reading the above two threads would be helpful.
I actually quickly went through the FAQ and RoD recently. The FAQ is 'old' but still provides a real roadmap to a newbie or senior re almost everything you need to know in terms of security, money, hotels, transport, where to go, etc. etc. It is one of the most comprehensive ones done on ISG. Some enterprising monger could update it if they had a few hours to spare......
And the RoD now totals 4 pages - and many of them are clearly marked by topic. for instance, there is your infamous 5 nights, the first RoD on the site that is great reading. There are specific ones written about MP, different parts of Thailand, buying land, how not to get burned, etc. etc. The list goes on. Since there are so many 'options' in LOS, a newbie could choose whatever turns him on.
Maybe a more practical suggetion is that for those who wish to reply to a newbie post - provide them with direct link to FAQ and a couple of representative RoD to start them off.
IMHO
PS: As a start, here's a summary for newbies of all types to start with:
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Thailand FAQ: start here for basics
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement.php?f=253[/url]
Mike’s advice for Bkk newbie
[url]http://internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=421417&postcount=20[/url]
Tiger’s take on the infamous Biergarten (Beergarden) soi7:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=477397#post477397[/url]
The venerable Giotto’s Lodge, aka Livingstones:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=478768&postcount=1235[/url]
And last for those less fortunate, how to negotiate:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=481463&postcount=892[/url]
If you find this useful, the tag/link to this post is
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=489724&postcount=516[/url]
[/color]
Save it for future reference or just ignore my ramblings....
[QUOTE=Phuquer]An option to deal with newbie (or senior members) RTFF questions is to send them to a specific post that has the answers to most of the questions they might need. That is why I wrote the 5 nights itinerary ([url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=364994&postcount=328[/url]). I strongly suggest that somebody work on a document that answers most of the RTFF questions even better than the itinerary, and when somebody finally asks what we feel is a silly question that has been asked over and over again, we can refer them to that post. Unfortunately, we are going to come across members who are lazy, who are not computer savvy (don't know how to search, or even PM), who don't care to read rules, or whatever. I feel that it is wrong to ignore them because then they will feel excluded and they won't know why. You never know, perhaps one of these members might become a very productive poster in our group. I know when I started here, I didn't know squat. The thing that helped me was that I was so psyched about my first trip that I kept reading report after report, and that kept me from posting a newbie RTFF post. I am sure it would only take a couple of hours to research the document I propose, and another 1/2 hour to type it up. If anybody is interested in working on this, PM me and we can write it up. The more veterans that pitch in on this, the better and faster the document will be written up. Then we can point the RTFF posters to the document. Let me know what you all think about my idea.[/QUOTE]I think you have a good idea, I am aware of other forums where the put in sections so say Pattaya then subsections Girl Friendly Hotels, Restuarants etc and then people can add stuff from the year they visit. You don't want to read soemthing that could be 2 years out of date which is no use at all.
searches OK'd
By Declan McCullagh, CNET News.com
Published on ZDNet News: July 26, 2006, 5:06 PM PT
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"Police blotter" is a weekly CNET News.com report on the intersection of technology and the law.
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What: A business traveler protests the warrantless search and seizure of his laptop by Homeland Security at the U.S.-Canada border.
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When: 9th Circuit Court of Appeals rules on July 24.
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Outcome: Three-judge panel unanimously says that border police may conduct random searches of laptops without search warrants or probable cause. These searches can include seizing the laptop and subjecting it to extensive forensic analysis.
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What happened, according to court documents:
In January 2004, Stuart Romm traveled to Las Vegas to attend a training seminar for his new employer. Then, on Feb. 1, Romm continued the business trip by boarding a flight to Kelowna, British Columbia.
Romm was denied entry by the Canadian authorities because of his criminal history. When he returned to the Seattle-Tacoma airport, he was interviewed by two agents of Homeland Security's Immigration and Customs Enforcement division.
They asked to search his laptop, and Romm agreed. Agent Camille Sugrue would later testify that she used the "EnCase" software to do a forensic analysis of Romm's hard drive.
That analysis and a subsequent one found some 42 child pornography images, which had been present in the cache used by Romm's Web browser and then deleted. But because in most operating systems, only the directory entry is removed when a file is "deleted," the forensic analysis was able to recover the actual files.
During the trial, Romm's attorney asked that the evidence from the border search be suppressed. The trial judge disagreed. Romm was eventually sentenced to two concurrent terms of 10 and 15 years for knowingly receiving and knowingly possessing child pornography.
The 9th Circuit refused to overturn his conviction, ruling that American citizens effectively enjoy no right to privacy when stopped at the border.
"We hold first that the ICE's forensic analysis of Romm's laptop was permissible without probable cause or a warrant under the border search doctrine," wrote Judge Carlos Bea. Joining him in the decision were Judges David Thompson and Betty Fletcher.
Bea cited the 1985 case of U.S. v. Montoya de Hernandez, in which a woman arriving in Los Angeles from Columbia was detained. Police believed she had swallowed balloons filled with cocaine, even though the court said they had no "clear indication" of it and did not have probable cause to search her.
Nevertheless, the Supreme Court said police could rectally examine De Hernandez because it was a border crossing and, essentially, anything goes. (The rectal examination, by the way, did find 88 balloons filled with cocaine that had been smuggled in her alimentary canal.)
Justices William Brennan and Thurgood Marshall dissented. They said the situation De Hernandez experienced had "the hallmark of a police state."
"To be sure, the court today invokes precedent stating that neither probable cause nor a warrant ever have been required for border searches," Brennan wrote. "If this is the law as a general matter, I believe it is time that we re-examine its foundations."
But Brennan and Marshall were outvoted by their fellow justices, who ruled that the drug war trumped privacy, citing a "veritable national crisis in law enforcement caused by smuggling of illicit narcotics." Today their decision means that laptop-toting travelers should expect no privacy either.
As an aside, a report last year from a U.S.-based marijuana activist says U.S. border guards looked through her digital camera snapshots and likely browsed through her laptop's contents. A London-based correspondent for The Economist magazine once reported similar firsthand experiences, and a 1998 article in The New York Times described how British customs scan laptops for sexual material. Here are some tips on using encryption to protect your privacy.
Encryption Tips
[url]http://www.politechbot.com/2005/05/10/technical-privacy-tips/[/url]
Like most mongers, I live in fear of police, crackdowns, religious NGOs, and the Forces of Social Control generally, but this is what will kill Thailand as a mongering destination - lack of population growth:
Thai population grows by 300,000 a year, but fewer babies
BANGKOK, July 16 (TNA) - A leading social research centre said Thailand's population has grown by 300,000 people during the past year, reaching 62.5 million at present.
Associate Professor Pattama Wawattanawong of the Institute of Population and Social Research at Mahidol University, who presented her study on Thailand's future population at a recent seminar on the topic, said the Thai population would increase to 65 million in the next 15 years before it declines due to the country's smaller birth rate.
The study, which the academic had jointly conducted with Professor Pramote Prasartkul, looked into the country's population growth during the next 30 years.
It said with a present birth rate of 0.6 per cent, Thailand's population has grown by 300,000 persons a year. It has predicted that the birth rate would regularly decline every year and would get to the same level as the death rate 15 years from now which would cause no change to the size of the country's population.
The study said after the year 2022, the population will begin to fall, as there will be a larger proportion of aging citizens compared to the population of infants. By then, the birth rate would gradually fall below zero percent.
The researchers said Thailand is producing fewer babies year by year, which will adversely affect the country's social and population structure in the long run when there would be more aging persons than in the younger work force.
Old people constituted 10 per cent of the population last year, and the number will increase to 25 per cent in the next 30 years--or about 16 million people--higher than the projected number of infants.
The study warned that such a foreseeable change would have an impact on the country's economic structure as there would be more older people than babies to look after which would cause some changes in the country's policies in education and health care.
The researchers also predicted that Thailand would have to import foreign workers in the future, as it would face a shortage of younger able-bodied workers.
They said the government needed to begin now to think of creating a welfare system to care for the country's growing older population in the future. (TNA)-E110
[url]http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=23355[/url]
[QUOTE=Opebo]Like most mongers, I live in fear of police, crackdowns, religious NGOs, and the Forces of Social Control generally, but this is what will kill Thailand as a mongering destination - lack of population growth:
Thai population grows by 300,000 a year, but fewer babies
BANGKOK, July 16 (TNA) - A leading social research centre said Thailand's population has grown by 300,000 people during the past year, reaching 62.5 million at present.
Associate Professor Pattama Wawattanawong of the Institute of Population and Social Research at Mahidol University, who presented her study on Thailand's future population at a recent seminar on the topic, said the Thai population would increase to 65 million in the next 15 years before it declines due to the country's smaller birth rate.
The study, which the academic had jointly conducted with Professor Pramote Prasartkul, looked into the country's population growth during the next 30 years.
It said with a present birth rate of 0.6 per cent, Thailand's population has grown by 300,000 persons a year. It has predicted that the birth rate would regularly decline every year and would get to the same level as the death rate 15 years from now which would cause no change to the size of the country's population.
The study said after the year 2022, the population will begin to fall, as there will be a larger proportion of aging citizens compared to the population of infants. By then, the birth rate would gradually fall below zero percent.
The researchers said Thailand is producing fewer babies year by year, which will adversely affect the country's social and population structure in the long run when there would be more aging persons than in the younger work force.
Old people constituted 10 per cent of the population last year, and the number will increase to 25 per cent in the next 30 years--or about 16 million people--higher than the projected number of infants.
The study warned that such a foreseeable change would have an impact on the country's economic structure as there would be more older people than babies to look after which would cause some changes in the country's policies in education and health care.
The researchers also predicted that Thailand would have to import foreign workers in the future, as it would face a shortage of younger able-bodied workers.
They said the government needed to begin now to think of creating a welfare system to care for the country's growing older population in the future. (TNA)-E110
[url]http://etna.mcot.net/query.php?nid=23355[/url][/QUOTE]
This is nothing new. LOS predicts decline in 15 years for population growth. But 20+years ago, LOS had a massive surplus. Its always the trend in any society that becomes more westernize and modern. Singapore and Japan are 2 countries that are already in population decline. Their Govts are offering tremendous "subsidize" money as incentive to have more babies.
PT
[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]Don't answer. Disregard the post. I know sometimes you want to say rtff but today's newbie may be a valuable contributor down the road. Even if he asks a stupid question now. I don't mind reading hotel or massage questions that have been asked before. I appeciate getting updated info.
Let's not be too rough on new visitors. Just my .02.[/QUOTE]
Have to somewhat agree here as I am one that never refused any PMs/posts for info (whether from seniors or newbies). Its the cost of doing business for being a member of this forum. I sometimes think it will take me just as much time to type and flame someone than to answer. Not the reason why I dont flame as anyone here will tell you I'm not into flaming or putting anyone down. Not my style--I'll joke about someone but never flame. I get enough flaming on the job and at home so dont need to take it here.
Also agree with Phuquer and Jimbe that being a newbie is tough as not all are savy computer people.Also some other bro pointed out maybe 80% of threads dont contain real monger info. and not all have the time to read 1 year full of BS to find several post that they need.
Still, after a month or 2, newbies get use to forum and then not so bad but in the beginning--lets have a little patience and help out if we can. A small % of all newbies that survive to mongerhoodom here will be very active and fruitful members that may even remember you for your help and respond in kind with new and better knowledge and also offer for the rest of us members insight into details only they are able to perceive. Lets not forget that being a newbie here does not mean they are virgin mongers as I've found from newbies Ive help that some have monger elsewhere in the world for years and have offer help if I ever venture on their turf.
Sometimes its not all bad.--just my POV so peace to all.
PT
[QUOTE=jimbehr2000]... today's newbie may be a valuable contributor down the road... [/QUOTE]
jimbehr2000,
yep, exactly what I think.
We need some "fresh blood" in the forum. The majority of the posts originates from only a handful of senior members. Since those members aren't seeking for any info anymore they mainly post chit chat containing no info at all.
I also don't mind to see an already answered question being asked again. Info changes over the time, otherwise we could simply sample a huge FAQ and wouldn't need the forum at all. There are (almost) no stupid questions, only stupid answers.
[QUOTE=Phuquer]... who don't care to read rules...[/QUOTE]
Phuquer,
not necessarily don't care to read. Even senior members don't know/remember all the rules as T1234 just did. It's not allowed to post in blue, it's reserved for Jackson. And if you would ask me, I couldn't name all of the rules either.
They aren't that easy to find too, they can be found under "Proposed Site Improvements" even though one would expect to find them under "Comment On Site Rules".
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1515[/url]
[QUOTE=Opebo]Thai population grows by 300,000 a year, but fewer babies
BANGKOK, July 16 (TNA) - A leading social research centre said Thailand's population has grown by 300,000 people during the past year, reaching 62.5 million at present.
Associate Professor Pattama Wawattanawong of the Institute of Population and Social Research at Mahidol University, who presented her study on Thailand's future population at a recent seminar on the topic, said the Thai population would increase to 65 million in the next 15 years before it declines due to the country's smaller birth rate. [/QUOTE]
Personally, I do my part - I enjoy having uncovered sex with as many Thai ladies as I can find who are certainly in their prime childbearing years. I do this whenever I am there, and I most definitely enjoy coming inside them. It's surely not my fault that they are not having babies.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]Outcome: Three-judge panel unanimously says that border police may conduct random searches of laptops without search warrants or probable cause. These searches can include seizing the laptop and subjecting it to extensive forensic analysis...
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[/QUOTE]Thanks Dun. Just wanted to add my two baht...
I use Portable Firefox in an on-the-fly encrypted flash drive. Truecrypt mounts a virtual drive that contains the Portable browser and all personal files. Once I'm finished browsing, I dismount the virtual drive and everything is securely encrypted in an innocent looking file on the flashdrive. It is possible to use software to figure out whether Truecrypt and Portable Firefox was run or not, but won't yield any information beyond that.
Truecrypt has many nifty (devious and sneaky) options to protect your data and best of all it's open source freeware. No ad/spyware.
[url]http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/firefox_portable[/url]
[url]http://www.truecrypt.org/[/url]
Cheers!
Member #2041,
I hope you realize how stupid and dangerous your behaviour is. Have a look at the "Safe Sex" section if you don't know what I am talking about.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
I hope you realize how stupid and dangerous your behaviour is. Have a look at the "Safe Sex" section if you don't know what I am talking about.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, I guess humor laden with irony doesn't always communicate itself clearly in the written word - especially online.
As an aside though, I might observe that trying to lecture an anonymous someone whom you have certainly never met and have no idea where they are coming from (nor they you), on the way that they may or may not choose to carry out their lives, over an internet forum dedicated to all manner of conduct that nearly everyone ourside of this little community finds immoral and inappropriate, certainly doesn't strike me as all that intelligent nor a very productive use of one's time.
Member #2041,
I did not lecture you but hoped you realized that you would put yourself and others at danger by going bareback. So do you go bareback or not ?
If yes, I stick to what I have said.
If no, then there is nothing to talk about.
I agree that there is nothing to talk about, but that has nothing to do with what I or anyone else does in my private behavior.
Member #2041,
of course it's nobody else business what you do in your private life "AS LONG AS IT ONLY AFFECTS YOU !"
But in times of HIV - Syphilis, Hepatitis and other nasty deseases come to mind too - we must take responsibility for our actions and the effects it may have to others.
Sure, the girls have a choice, but they often don't know about the risks involved and even if, are often forced to comply with customers requests by their economical situation.
One of the following customers might be careful but have bad luck and condom breaks, bingo, next victim.
Going bareback will increase the overall risk for the rest of us.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
Going bareback will increase the overall risk for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly (of course, assuming you get checked and she gets checked...)
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
of course it's nobody else business what you do in your private life "AS LONG AS IT ONLY AFFECTS YOU !"
But in times of HIV - Syphilis, Hepatitis and other nasty deseases come to mind too - we must take responsibility for our actions and the effects it may have to others.
Sure, the girls have a choice, but they often don't know about the risks involved and even if, are often forced to comply with customers requests by their economical situation.
One of the following customers might be careful but have bad luck and condom breaks, bingo, next victim.
Going bareback will increase the overall risk for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]
Anyone who thinks one other person who publicly posts something on a public forum that they may or may not actually be doing actually affects their own risk probabilities, is, plain and simple, an imbecile.
You are in control of your own risks, and you need to act with the knowledge that it's a moot point what any one other hobbyist claims to be doing with pros. Whether or not I post what I am actually doing, or alternatively, that I might be consciously jerking around people who seem to think that my business is their business, you would have to be incredibly stupid to assume that a hundredfold of others are not still doing whatever they are doing, without posting it one way or the other with the same pros. If a pro allows me to go bareback, then it makes no difference whether or not I actually do, because surely, dozens of others will.
Anyone who participates in this hobby without the implicit knowledge that wherever possible, SOME hobbyists, and probably ALOT of hobbyists, are going unprotected, whenever the opportunity presents itself is in denial. And your own behaviour has to be determined based on that knowledge, or else you are sufferring from blatant stupidity. I don't know how to put this any more plainly. To believe that you might somehow diminish your own risk by lecturing an anonymous someone on a public forum whom you have no knowledge of what they are actually doing, might somehow improve your own risk factors (as opposed to how you conduct your own business impacting those risk factors) is nothing short of dillusional.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Anyone who thinks one other person who publicly posts something on a public forum that they may or may not actually be doing actually affects their own risk probabilities, is, plain and simple, an imbecile.
You are in control of your own risks, and you need to act with the knowledge that it's a moot point what any one other hobbyist claims to be doing with pros. Whether or not I post what I am actually doing, or alternatively, that I might be consciously jerking around people who seem to think that my business is their business, you would have to be incredibly stupid to assume that a hundredfold of others are not still doing whatever they are doing, without posting it one way or the other with the same pros. If a pro allows me to go bareback, then it makes no difference whether or not I actually do, because surely, dozens of others will.
Anyone who participates in this hobby without the implicit knowledge that wherever possible, SOME hobbyists, and probably ALOT of hobbyists, are going unprotected, whenever the opportunity presents itself is in denial. And your own behaviour has to be determined based on that knowledge, or else you are sufferring from blatant stupidity. I don't know how to put this any more plainly. To believe that you might somehow diminish your own risk by lecturing an anonymous someone on a public forum whom you have no knowledge of what they are actually doing, might somehow improve your own risk factors (as opposed to how you conduct your own business impacting those risk factors) is nothing short of dillusional.[/QUOTE]Member #2041,
On the spot. Good to read this issue to be thought to the very end.
Giotto
And of course, none of you actually know whether or not I am going bareback. The fact is, I am completely cognizant of the issues involved.
Anyone who actually believes that lecturing me about behavior that I might or might not actually be doing, but which I most assuredly already understand with respect to all of it's consequeces, somehow alters their own risks and in any way their own behavior and THOSE consequences is an idiot. I really have nothing more to add on this subject, as my prior post #532 really said it all. These discussions and the direction that they invariably take are utterly pointless, and THAT is my point.
2041, you are 100% correct, and it is a highly enjoyable read. Your cat and mouse game is amusing. You can be assured, however that there will be several more posts, claiming your foolhardiness for doing or not doing something which of course you know very well to be foolhardy
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
You are in control of your own risks, and you need to act with the knowledge that it's a moot point what any one other hobbyist claims to be doing with pros. Whether or not I post what I am actually doing, or alternatively, that I might be consciously jerking around people who seem to think that my business is their business, you would have to be incredibly stupid to assume that a hundredfold of others are not still doing whatever they are doing, without posting it one way or the other with the same pros.
Anyone who participates in this hobby without the implicit knowledge that wherever possible, SOME hobbyists, and probably ALOT of hobbyists, are going unprotected, whenever the opportunity presents itself is in denial. And your own behaviour has to be determined based on that knowledge, or else you are sufferring from blatant stupidity. I don't know how to put this any more plainly.
[/QUOTE]
Member #2041,
I totally agree with the above.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
If a pro allows me to go bareback, then it makes no difference whether or not I actually do, because surely, dozens of others will.
[/QUOTE]
You are completely wrong on that, you can make a difference !
Do you know the saying : "[i]Save one man's life and you safe the whole world[/i]" ?
If everybody would think like you, nothing would matter anymore. Who knows, maybe you are the first one who goes bareback with her. Remember, someone has to be the first. You also said that nobody should act depending on other people's behaviour but now you use their behaviour as an argument to justify going bareback. This is inconsistent.
This way of thinking is the root for most evil in the world.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
Anyone who thinks one other person who publicly posts something on a public forum that they may or may not actually be doing actually affects their own risk probabilities, is, plain and simple, an imbecile.
....
To believe that you might somehow diminish your own risk by lecturing an anonymous someone on a public forum whom you have no knowledge of what they are actually doing, might somehow improve your own risk factors (as opposed to how you conduct your own business impacting those risk factors) is nothing short of dillusional.
[/QUOTE]
We can only refer to what you have said about your sexual behaviour. This sort of behaviour bears the potential for spreading diseases and a higher throughout disease rate will improve the overall risk for everybody partaking in this hobby.
I agree that everybody is responsible for his own behaviour and has to take in count that others are going bareback - never denied that or said otherwise - but it doesn't change the fact that the more people are going bareback the higher is the risk of getting infected yourself even when being careful. Condoms can break just like planes can crash.
But if you only post to post something, don't do as you say and don't say as you do, not meaning what you are saying, any discussion is indeed use- and senseless. But then your below posts are also nothing but empty words.
[QUOTE=Giotto]Member #2041,
On the spot. Good to read this issue to be thought to the very end.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
Giotto,
even though I agree with most of what he has said, I dare to disagree, as he doesn't thinks it to the very end.
He completely denies the responsibility of those who actually are going bareback. Of course everybody is responsible for his own behaviour and has to take his own precautions regardless what he might think about other people's behaviour. But as already pointed out, those precautions can fail, condoms can break. Call it bad luck if you like. But if it happens your chances of catching HIV or any other disease will largely depend on the overall ratio of infected people. Having bad luck you will of course still be able to hit the jackpot.
He also denies the fact that many girls don't know about all risks involved and are often forced to comply with customers requests due to their economical situation. Many girls are still ill-informed about HIV and most have never heard of Syphilis, Hepatitis, Clamydia and other nasty stuff. Due to this the girls don't make their decision to agree on going bareback as the well informed and (hopefully) mature persons we are. This makes us mongers responsible for them and all who will follow in the chain.
And what about the partners of those who go bareback ? Read your own post regarding that issue [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456182&postcount=577[/url]
In short : We all should be careful regardless our expectations and assumptions regarding other people's behaviour and we should condemn going bareback.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Giotto,
even though I agree with most of what he has said, I dare to disagree, as he doesn't thinks it to the very end.
...
And what about the partners of those who go bareback ? Read your own post regarding that issue [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=456182&postcount=577[/url]
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[/QUOTE]Yes, The Traveler,
You are right, The Traveler, for sure and as always, and we all appreciate to be advised again.
For me and my personal understanding of the post of Member #2041 you are not even close to understand what he has written. But it is not up to me to explain that to you, may be Member #2041 will do.
If I read my own post which you thankworthy researched out of the stacks of old report I realize, that I also did not think that part of it to the end before - but yesterday, when reading the post from Member #2041 I learned something.
Today I would write that report slightly different.
Giotto
Giotto,
I got his point, but you don't get mine.
He says far more than just be as careful as you can because others aren't careful. We agree on that.
He also says that it makes no difference if he would go bareback or not, because others do anyway.
Didn't we just agree that we all have to make our own decisions without depending or relying on our expectations and assumptions of other people's behaviour ?
We don't know about other people's behaviour and therefore we (possibly) can make a difference.
You are also not in complete control of your own risks - ok you are, you can decide to not partake in this hobby, but if you decide otherwise - there is still a residual risk you can't control no matter how careful you are. Even though this residual risk can never be eliminated, it could be dramatically decreased if everybody would refrain from going bareback.
In this context it doesn't matter if he actually goes bareback or not as long as he justifies going bareback by saying that it makes no difference, others will do too.
If you still think that I did not get it I would be glad if you could explain me what I have missed.
[QUOTE=Giotto]
You are right, The Traveler, for sure and as always, and we all appreciate to be advised again.
[/QUOTE]
This remark clearly shows that you aren't able to keep it a factual discussion.
Why can't you refrain from any personal attacks ? Remember your own analysis and stick to your own advice.
You again show exactly the sort of behaviour you are criticizing others for.
[QUOTE=Giotto] I realize, that I also did not think that part of it to the end before - but yesterday, when reading the post from Member #2041 I learned something.
Today I would write that report slightly different.
[/QUOTE]
Member #2041 and I are only exchanging our points of view. They may differ, but I can't see anything wrong with it, that's the nature of discussions and why not agree to disagree. If you have a problem with discussions pers se you should ask Jackson to prohibit them in this forum. But I think you should rather be grateful, didn't you just admit that you have learned something as a result of this discussion ?
I also noticed that Member #2041 wording ("imbecile", "stupid", "blatant stupidity") indicates some sort of aggression, but ignored it. Wonder why someone who is able to express himself so eloquent needs to do that.
The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. It is a huge accomplishment for Thailand and the new airport is much needed...
From the Post:
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/30Jul2006_news01.php[/url]
juices
the traveler,
speech is silver, but silence is golden.
giotto
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
I also noticed that Member #2041 wording ("imbecile", "stupid", "blatant stupidity") indicates some sort of aggression, but ignored it. Wonder why someone who is able to express himself so eloquent needs to do that.[/QUOTE]
Maybe he doesn't like you.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
If everybody would think like you, nothing would matter anymore. Who knows, maybe you are the first one who goes bareback with her. [/QUOTE]
LOL! This is one of the funniest statements I have seen on this forum.
[QUOTE=The Traveler] You also said that nobody should act depending on other people's behaviour but now you use their behaviour as an argument to justify going bareback. This is inconsistent.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that any of what I am posting has the slightest bit to do with my behavior? I have already stated that it's my private business, and for all you know, I'm simply playing Pavlov to your pooch.
My point was very specific - that if ANYONE actually uses the posts of other anonymous sorts on an internet forum that purport to describe their own practice or lack thereof of safe sex to make decisions about how they conduct their own business is an imbecile.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
You are also not in complete control of your own risks - ok you are, you can decide to not partake in this hobby, but if you decide otherwise - there is still a residual risk you can't control no matter how careful you are. Even though this residual risk can never be eliminated, it could be dramatically decreased if everybody would refrain from going bareback.[/QUOTE]
The point, of course, is that by lecturing someone's anonymous handle on an internet forum, you make a contribution to this goal which most certainly asymptotically approaches zero, hence, said lecture is utterly pointless, and in fact, the actions of anyone who is the slightest bit thoughtful would recognize that fact. And if you genuinely believe that such a contribution in any meaningful way alters your own course of behavior, you are a fool.
BTW Traveler, do you spend the rest of your time lecturing Grand Prix racecar drivers that they are endangering themselves, as well as the general public that chooses to attend a race, because they drive so fast?
And of course, the reason I bring up the last point is that this entire discussion up to know has dealt with risk and how to mitigate it. But of course, there is also varying reward that goes along with varying degrees of risk. Just as the aforementioned Grand Prix driver has, by driving fast enough to win, knowingly incurred additional risk, AND added a de minimus incremental risk to the general public at large through their behavior, they most certainly have done it because they perceive a greater reward opportunity at the end. And your assumption that they act because they do not appreciate the risk is entirely invalid - they probably fully well understand the incremental risk, and have judged for themself that the incremental reward justifies the taking of that added risk.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. juices[/QUOTE]
Hopefully, the airport itself will remain firmly on the ground, and only the planes coming in and going out will fly.
[QUOTE=Horatio]Maybe he doesn't like you.[/QUOTE]
Horatio,
fat chance, that's an option I was already thinking about :D
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
My point was very specific - that if ANYONE actually uses the posts of other anonymous sorts on an internet forum that purport to describe their own practice or lack thereof of safe sex to make decisions about how they conduct their own business is an imbecile.[/QUOTE]
Member #2041,
as I already said, we agree on that.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
What makes you think that any of what I am posting has the slightest bit to do with my behavior? I have already stated that it's my private business, and for all you know, I'm simply playing Pavlov to your pooch.
[/QUOTE]
In your first post you said you do, but I am well aware of your "cat and mouse game" as 1ball called it.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
The point, of course, is that by lecturing someone's anonymous handle on an internet forum, you make a contribution to this goal which most certainly asymptotically approaches zero, hence, said lecture is utterly pointless, and in fact, the actions of anyone who is the slightest bit thoughtful would recognize that fact. And if you genuinely believe that such a contribution in any meaningful way alters your own course of behavior, you are a fool.
[/QUOTE]
I never said that it will have an impact on my own behaviour. what makes you think like that ?
I am well aware that a post directed at an anonymous handle on an internet forum most likely won't have any effect on his behaviour, but opposite to you, I haven't give up hope that he may at least think about what I say.
People, who have already resigned and given up hope will never change anything. Therefore I keep trying even though it might be in vain. It's like bargaining, if you don't try, you won't get a lower price and it doesn't cost you anything, you can only win.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
And of course, the reason I bring up the last point is that this entire discussion up to know has dealt with risk and how to mitigate it. But of course, there is also varying reward that goes along with varying degrees of risk. Just as the aforementioned Grand Prix driver has, by driving fast enough to win, knowingly incurred additional risk, AND added a de minimus incremental risk to the general public at large through their behavior, they most certainly have done it because they perceive a greater reward opportunity at the end. And your assumption that they act because they do not appreciate the risk is entirely invalid - they probably fully well understand the incremental risk, and have judged for themself that the incremental reward justifies the taking of that added risk.[/QUOTE]
I never made that assumption. I know very well that many people knowingly choose to take risks for their very own reasons. But isn't it selfish ?
Don't we have responsibilities ?
[QUOTE=The Traveler] But isn't it selfish ? Don't we have responsibilities ?[/QUOTE]
According to Adam Smith, self interest is what motivates the world.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]According to Adam Smith, self interest is what motivates the world.[/QUOTE]
True, but in nowadays world - at least in most parts of it - there are limits for that self interest for the good of all. Otherwise factories for example would pollute our environment even more, just to maximize their earnings.
Same applies here, knowingly spreading HIV e.g. is a crime and will be punished with imprisonment.
Do you remember the case of the one-legged German in LOS ? There also have been other cases throughout Europe and the USA.
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]The new airport is being tested and some speculate if it will work... It has to work and it will. It is a huge accomplishment for Thailand and the new airport is much needed...
From the Post:
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.net/News/30Jul2006_news01.php[/url]
juices[/QUOTE]Juice,
It seems that the URL no longer exists. So. for members info the new BKK airport (called Suvarnabhumi and pronounced Sawatapoon) will open on Sept. 29, 2006. Yes, I hope it is a great success and that its startup will be problem free.. especially since I will be flying into it from Koh Samui on it opening day
[QUOTE=The Traveler]True, but in nowadays world - at least in most parts of it - there are limits for that self interest for the good of all. [/QUOTE]
Just curious, who appointed you as the arbiter of those limits for all mongers? Certainly, there are other folks who would draw those boundaries at different points, such as engaging in any type of commercial sex whatsoever. And those folks might outnumber you. Certainly, I see no good reason that you should not acquiesce to their desire to control your behavior, any more than I ought acquiesce to your desire to control mine. That's why I take the position that it's not anyone else's position to try to impose their views on others. I do make sure that all of my activities are with fully consenting partners. And I don't bother to consult anyone else for their opinions about it.
I agree that knowingly spreading HIV is a form of assault and ought well be subject to criminal sanctions as such. But that's not what we are talking about, and it's an entirely irrelevant point.
Oldbuthappy,
You ae right the link to the post article does not work. I went to their site and the article was gone, could not find it. I was going to copy and paste but it was a long article and did not want to take too much space.
The article talked about how the progress is coming along but many doubted it would be ready and safe as an operational airport by Sept. The article was somewhat critical of the operation and maybe they had to take it off...
juices
[QUOTE=JuiceSpike]...The article was somewhat critical of the operation and maybe they had to take it off...[/QUOTE]
Surely not ? I thought Thailand was a democratic society enjoying freedom of the press :D
Day 9 or so
Things have been going well the past several days. I’ve settled into a routine of waking up around noon, going downstairs for breakfast (sometimes with, sometimes without companion) and then checking my email. After that, it’s a trip to one of the nearby massage parlors. I’ve been to Aviva on Soi 8, Thonglor II on Soi 24, and Love Teen Massage on Soi 33. After that it’s back to Giotto’s for an evening meal and a game or two of pool with a few of his charming girls. Then it’s time for trip to NEP, Soi Cowboy or just hang out at one of the painter’s pubs on Soi 33 to look for some horizontal refreshment. Of course, I’ve sprinkled in some sightseeing around the area to keep some respectability with colleagues and relatives back home who aren’t aware of this particular hobby of mine.
In this post, I just wanted to focus on oily massages I’ve had here so far.
Aviva is a small massage place that is on a side street to the right, as you walk on Soi 8, going away from Sukhumvit. The rooms are small and the beds are low to the ground. There aren’t too many girls there, less than a dozen. The girl I was recommended wasn’t there, so I picked Lisa from the picture album. She was shorter than I expected (4’ and change) and a little chubbier than when her glamour picture was taken. She didn’t speak much English so I used some imaginative hand gestures and that worked well enough. Rather than give a blow by blow exposition, I’ll just say the massage was good. I almost fell asleep at certain relaxing points. The sex, on the other hand, was just fair, as she tended to be more passive and needed prompting. Damage was 600 to the house and I gave 1500 for the special service.
Thonglor II is another Oily place on Soi 24. It’s right by the Emporium and easy to find. It’s a classier place with a Japanese motif and soft music piped in throughout the building. I was asked for my shoes and issued a pair of slippers when I entered. I was then offered a drink and given an album to make my selection. A girl came out with a choice of lotions to sample and smell too. I thought it was a nice touch. They have a large selection of girls, but only about half were working there at the time I visited (around 4pm weekday afternoon). I was going to ask for Pu based on past reviews, but she was busy. Didn’t really see anyone I was interested in but I finally went with Umi. She looked a lot older than her album picture suggested and I almost thought I was a victim of a bait and switch, but she did have a nice athletic figure with a full, enhanced chest. Thinking I might get better action since she wasn’t all that attractive facially, I went for the 2 hour aromatherapy session for 1500 (kinda pricey in my book). This was the wrong choice, but I’ll address that later. As it turned out, the massage wasn’t all that great and the sex was just a mechanical release of tension. I enjoyed my session with Lisa at Aviva much more. Umi just wasn’t very cheery to start with and we didn’t really have any chemistry going during our “get to know you” chat. Wound up giving her 1500 and made as quick an exit as politely possible. In retrospect, I should have gone for a 1.5 hour trial session and upgraded later if things had gone better. Well, live and learn. I won’t be seeing Umi again.
Love Teen on Soi 33 is just up the street from Livingstone’s, same side. Here I had my best session to date in BKK. It’s not as well furnished as Thonglor II but the rooms are larger than Aviva. Love Teen has a “balls massage” specialty where the girls spend some extra time massaging your “meat and two veggies”. I went around 4pm on a Wednesday and there were about 15-18 girls that came out for a line up. I didn't see any stunners and thought the girls were about average to just above average. Fees were 600 to the house for a 1.5 hour session and 1500 to the girl, which I thought it was reasonable. I chose a slender girl named “Pookie”. She has shoulder length brown hair, nice smooth skin with small perky breasts. Things started a little slow, but she gradually opened up as we chatted. Her English wasn’t great, but again, imaginative hand gestures work quite well. Her technique wasn’t too bad and it was a fair massage. The balls massage part felt quite good though and I’d definitely recommend trying it. She used a combination of oils, fingers, palms and her chest to create a really enjoyable sensation. As the massage progressed, I started giving her a massage as well and she really responded to it. We went back and forth for quite a while. Then we started some DFK, licking, and before long sex became a natural part of the massage. Neither of us was watching the clock, and here in this case, that wasn’t quite a good thing. We were just starting to get into the main event when we realized we only had about 15 minutes left. We rushed through several positions but in the end I couldn’t finish. The more pressed for time I feel, the longer it takes for me to come. Just the way I am I guess. I don’t blame Pookie for any wrongdoing. We just had great chemistry, enjoyed massaging each other a bit too much and forgot about the time. Although I didn't come, overall I thought it was a fantastic session and I definitely plan to go back for at least 2 hours to finish the job properly.
I’ve had a few talks with several of the punters I’ve met while staying here and the general consensus is that the goal should not be about finding the right massage place. The goal should be about finding the right girl, at whatever place she may happen to be working.
More to come…
[size=-2][b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread. Please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]Click Here[/url] for directions for posting a link to a specific report.[/blue][/size]
Bangkok airport might not open on schedule
Beth Jinks
2006-07-31
BANGKOK'S long-delayed new airport may not be ready for its September 29 scheduled opening, the International Air Transport Association said on Saturday.
Suvarnabhumi International Airport mustn't take over from the existing Don Muang airport until "robust and comprehensive testing" ensures all systems are working, the group, which represents 260 airlines with 94 percent of world air traffic, said over the weekend, according to Bloomberg News.
"What is important is to have Suvarnabhumi Airport begin commercial operations only when it is operationally ready," the transport group said. The airport must consult airlines to agree on a "go or no-go decision for the opening date of the airport."
The opening of the 155 billion baht (US$4.1 billion) airport has been delayed three times from its official September 29, 2005, launch amid construction delays, cost overruns and corruption scandals. Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra said the facility will take over all of the Thai capital's commercial air traffic in two months and replace the ageing Don Muang airfield, Asia's second-busiest airport.
On Saturday, Thaksin reiterated during his weekly national radio address that the airport will meet the opening deadline. He also boarded Thai Airways International Pcl's first test flight from Suvarnabhumi.
The state-controlled airline is the biggest of six Thai carriers enlisted to fly with passengers through the facility on Saturday to test the readiness of its runways and systems including baggage, passenger check-in, and security screening.
Trial flights undertaken on the weekend do "not test the airport's ability to handle heavy traffic," said Albert Tjoeng, IATA's Asia Pacific spokesman.
Thaksin has staked his reputation as a "chief executive" prime minister on progressing with projects including the Suvarnabhumi airport.
He faces an election in October in a country that has been without a functioning parliament since February, when he called a snap election after near-daily protests in Bangkok demanding his resignation. The April poll was widely boycotted and later annulled by a court, leading to a political stalemate.
Suvarnabhumi is already overdue. Don Muang was first used as an airfield in 1914 before being expanded into a commercial airport more than 60 years ago.
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juices
AIRPORT SCANDAL
Inquiry into TAGS books urged by top Democrat
Questions raised over political links of ground services firm's shareholders
Veteran Democrat politician Kobsak Sabhavasu yesterday demanded the auditor-general probe the accounts of Thai Airport Ground Services (TAGS).
Kobsak's demand follows allegations that TAGS' new shareholders are nominees of a politically linked Thai interest group.
As the first commercial flights to Suvarnabhumi Airport touched down on Saturday, Kobsak revived claims about TAGS' allegedly dubious shareholding.
In December last year TAGS won the Suvarnabhumi Airport ground-services contract offered by Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT). There was no tender.
Questions over mysterious TAGS shareholdings remained unanswered, Kobsak said.
AoT owns 28.5 per cent of TAGS' shares.
AoT awarded a controversial 10-year contract to an obscure Singapore-based company that, through TAGS, would manage the new airport's 40,000-square-metre free zone logistics centre (FLC).
Kobsak claimed Singapore's Frobisher Pte Co Ltd was suspected of being a nominee of a politically linked Thai interest group.
Frobisher owns 48 per cent of TAGS' stock. The company's track record remains a mystery.
He said Frobisher had a registered capital of Bt2.4 million. The company identified its shareholders as a Singaporean lawyer, Thai investor Rawadi Jantawit and a trust fund.
Frobisher's accounts going back three years showed income in the first year of just Bt120. It increased to Bt200 in the second year.
"But media reports had Frobisher snapping up shares of British Airways and Lufthansa worth more than Bt200 million," Kobsak said.
Kobsak suspected large amounts of money were being spirited out of the country through TAGS. Evidence showed that before TAGS shares were purchased, TAGS spent Bt400 million to hire a consulting company for five months.
Consultant Detek was registered in the British Virgin Islands but its Singapore address was the same as that for Frobisher.
"We suspect the money was siphoned out of TAGS, which is not an ordinary private company but a company in which Thai state enterprises hold shares. The money was used to buy shares from the former shareholders. When a ghost company took up a major stake, it won the contract from AoT without having to bid,'' Kobsak said.
Relevant officials could not be reached yesterday for comment on Kobsak's allegations.
But, in December last year, Transport Minister Pongsak Ruktapongpisal dismissed the concerns.
He claimed no knowledge of Frobisher's shareholdings. But, its ownership was irrelevant as long as the company could do the job it was contracted to do, he said.
At that time an AoT source defended the decision to award TAGS the ground-services contract without holding a tender. The work was outsourcing, so bids were not necessary, the source said.
Kobsak yesterday called on Pongsak to take responsibility for allowing a ghost company to operate a business with a state enterprise.
The TAGS contract required reconsideration by the Cabinet, he said.
Kobsak questioned whether AoT knew about the Bt400 million TAGS spent hiring consultant Detek.
"The company meeting minutes for December 11 last year were altered. There was no report of the Bt400 million expense. But later that expense was detected in the accounts,'' Kobsak said.
Kobsak said the auditor-general had the authority to check TAGS' accounts because it was partly owned by Thai state enterprises.
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[QUOTE=Member #2041]Just curious, who appointed you as the arbiter of those limits for all mongers? Certainly, there are other folks who would draw those boundaries at different points, such as engaging in any type of commercial sex whatsoever. And those folks might outnumber you. Certainly, I see no good reason that you should not acquiesce to their desire to control your behavior, any more than I ought acquiesce to your desire to control mine. That's why I take the position that it's not anyone else's position to try to impose their views on others. I do make sure that all of my activities are with fully consenting partners. And I don't bother to consult anyone else for their opinions about it.
I agree that knowingly spreading HIV is a form of assault and ought well be subject to criminal sanctions as such. But that's not what we are talking about, and it's an entirely irrelevant point.[/QUOTE]
Member #2041,
we weren't talking about self interest too, but you brought it forward to support your point of view and in my response I only pointed out that self-interest has it's limits set by the lawmakers. In other words, even the lawmakers say that we are responsible for our behaviour, which brings us back were we started off.
Our discussions started by you saying, that you enjoy going bareback. I responded, that we should refrain from doing so, as it will increase the overall risk for everybody partaking in this hobby and that we have to take responsibility for the possible consequences of our doing.
In this context it doesn't matter if you really do go bareback or not, it also doesn't matter if it's a personal matter or not and it also doesn't matter if anybody should make his decisions on his expectations and assumptions about other people's behaviour or not. So far all your objections and demurs were entirely irrelevant points as they were missing the spot, which is, that the overall risk will increase and that we have to take responsibility for our doing.
I also do not impose my views on others, as such would imply, that I have means to enforce them, which isn't the case. All I do is to point out to the consequences of such behaviour and hope that those who really engage in bareback sex might at least think about it and hopefully change their behaviour, even though it isn't very likely.
Furthermore I have no desire to control your behaviour, never said I have. I would like to see a change of it in case you really do go bareback, but I have no control about it. It seems that any criticism about anything that you consider as "private business" only causes your resistance instead of really thinking about that matter.
Due to this and the somehow emotional way you were responding to me, I assume that you indeed go bareback. In case this assumption is correct, I appeal to you to think about your behaviour, you may spread diseases and increase the overall infection ratio by it and many girls don't know about all the risks involved. Are you really ready to take responsibility for your doing ? Maybe one day you will find out that you have infected others with HIV and are therefore responsible for their suffering and death. All that just to maximize your fun.
My intention is not to insert myself into this discussion between the two contributors, but only to add that it is satisfying to read Traveler's contributions in here, because they seem always to be reasonable and well considered by him. I, too, am quite nervous and jerky about the thought of going bareback with strangers, and it should be for them, too. Yes, it feels much better, but consider the guilt and fear you must deal with for months, years to come should you inherit some disease. One of three things will occur. 1.) Future sex WILL/SHOULD be done with a condom if you are infected, so then you'll have to forgo the full pleasure anyway. 2.) You will knowingly infect others. 3.) You will be forced to abstain. Use a condom.
Actually Traveler, our discussions started with me making a sarcastic joke about liking to go bareback to help solve the baby shortage in Thailand, which you mistook for a factual statement about my behavior, and then also which you arrogantly took as an opportunity to preach to me about how I ought to conduct my own private business. At which point I decided that your opinions were more worth mocking than actually paying attention to.
Member #2041,
joke or not, as I pointed out several times, it doesn't matter if you go bareback or not as long as you defend it as being a "personal business"
You also still avoid to answer those below mentioned questions.
OK, so you have made your point and I have made mine.
Let's agree to disagree and try to relax.
We are just talking here, exchanging opinions and arguments, no need to get personal.
Seems that we have again reached a point where one of the participants runs out of arguments and turns to flames. Therefore I guess it's better to stop here as your aggressions seem to take over and who needs another stupid fight ?
Why not also move into the "Safe Sex" thread to lecture MarcoStraight and Rubber Nursey that they should mind their own business instead of criticizing Johnson994 ? There is absolutely no difference between them and me.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041, .... You also still avoid to answer those below mentioned questions. [/QUOTE]
As I said below, first of all, it's not any of your concern, and 2nd of all, I decided quite early in this discussion that your opinions and questions were much more worthy of mockery than a serious response. You've not given me any reason to alter that opinion.
[QUOTE=The Traveler] I guess it's better to stop here as your aggressions seem to take over and who needs another stupid fight ?[/QUOTE]
We can only hope. I would add that that I don't believe tugging on marionette strings is an act of aggression.
[b]The Traveller & Member #2401
DFTT [/b](Don't Fuck This Thread) [b]- Fight Club please children[/b]
Excellent report, full of info, nice one. Would be much better suited in the Massage Parlours thread though, wouldn't want the info to be missed.
The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has questioned the readiness of Suvarnabhumi airport for its official opening on Sept 28.
The ICAO report, based on its information collected and observations made between last month and early this month, identifies 29 high-risk areas - or about one-third of the 93 items on its checklist.
Forty-three are rated as medium-risk and the rest low-risk.
It defines a high-risk item as one which "will most probably not be possible to resolve" before the opening date and could delay the opening plan.
Its report, sent to Airports of Thailand Plc (AoT), a copy of which was obtained by the Bangkok Post, was leaked to the press yesterday ahead of key landing and operation tests for local flights set for tomorrow .
However, Suvarnabhumi airport general manager Somchai Sawasdeepon and caretaker Deputy Transport Minister Chainant Charoensiri yesterday confirmed the readiness of tomorrow's tests when Thai Airways International, Bangkok Airways, Thai AirAsia, One-Two-Go Airlines, Nok Air, and PB Air will service 20 local flights in and out of the new international airport in Samut Prakan's Bang Phli district.
"Everything is ready [for the test flights]," Mr Somchai said.
AoT president Chotisak Asapaviriya refused to comment on the ICAO report, saying he had not seen it yet. Some people were trying to derail attempts to open the 155-billion-baht airport for commercial flights in September, he said.
The group's tactics included releasing false or fabricated information to serve their purpose, said the chief of AoT, an agency under the Transport Ministry overseeing international airports, including Suvarnabhumi.
Mr Somchai and Aviation Department chief Chaisak Angkasuwan said the ICAO report was an internal document used by airport officials to check on the progress of the project.
Both were confident that all problems identified by the United Nations-affiliated agency responsible for airport safety and security would be fixed in time for the official opening.
The report was made by the ICAO for AoT to check-list problems that need to be corrected, Mr Somchai said.
"It's like a warning for us to know which areas need to be improved.
"None of the listed problems are new.
"The report comes out every month for us to evaluate progress, and alert us to emergency issues," he said.
The airport agency also hired an independent firm, FAEZA, to double-check the readiness of all systems, said the Suvarnabhumi airport chief.
Outgoing Senator Chirmsak Pinthong said he was worried about the risks mentioned in the ICAO report, especially with landings taking place at the 155-billion-baht airport tomorrow.
He saw tomorrow's tests as events designed to boost the image of caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.
He called on Mr Thaksin to take responsibility should any accident occur after all flight operations, both domestic and international, are moved from Don Muang to the new airport on Sept 28.
Among the high-risk items identified by the ICAO in its report are the "airfield visual aides" including taxiway, apron and airside road signs, lights and markings.
Failure to address them could lead to unsafe ground operations which "may contribute to an aircraft incident or accident", the report says.
Other identified risks outside the airport's terminal include a high antenna tower at the King Mongkut Institute of Technology's Lat Krabang campus which, the report says, could pose safety risks for planes approaching a runway, inadequate lighting for illuminating obstacles around the airport, insufficient safe areas at runway extremities, and the lack of an effective wildlife hazard control programme.
The institute's tower should be lowered and safe areas at runway ends expanded, according to the report.
Problems inside the building were identified as the baggage handling system and preparations for emergency situations, especially the fire alarm system.
Suvarnabhumi is being run under a temporary certificate issued by the Aviation Department.
It needs a permanent one approved by the ICAO for the Sept 28 opening.
[QUOTE=Meaty]The International Civil Aviation Organisation (ICAO) has questioned the readiness of Suvarnabhumi airport for its official opening on Sept 28.
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Suvarnabhumi is being run under a temporary certificate issued by the Aviation Department.
It needs a permanent one approved by the ICAO for the Sept 28 opening.[/QUOTE]So what else is new? TIT (This is Thailand)! Mai pen rai (no big deal, who cares?)!
The new airport will open sooner or later and this will be good news for Pattaya mongers, cutting off at least one hour from driving time. BTW: There are buses running BKK-Patty on the nearby Bangna-Trat expressway like every 15-30 minutes and cost about ~50 THB.
Good riddance, Don Muang airport!
I've had an interesting couple of experiences I'd like to share and get some feedback. Twice in the last 2 months or so, I've encountered a RED condom at 2 different establishments in Chiang Mai. My sexy provider supplied a strawberry condom that I thought was kind of cool. At first. We started the deed, then as I withdrew my dick to slap it around some on her pussy, I noticed my hand was stained a bit red. Yup, she was on her period! The first time, I thought this was a one-time "woops" by my provider. However, yesterday, it happened again. She happened to supply me with another RED condom. She sat on me for awhile, then as I rotated up on top of her, I pulled out for a sec. Then as I reinserted myself, I noticed some red on my hand. Once again, she was on her period. It kind of freaks me out to see the blood for obvious reasons. I immediately got up and washed up. The girl was very apologetic, but then the RED condom has my suspicions.
Here's my suspicion -- Either they know they are very close to having their period so they use a RED condom as a "just in case" -- or, they know full well they are on their period and try to get a quickie in hoping I don't notice. Either way, they purposely use a RED condom for deception.
Anyone else have a similar experience?
[QUOTE=FKKguide]BTW: There are a/c VIP buses running BKK-Patty on the nearby Bangna-Trat expressway like every 15-30 minutes and cost about 50 THB.[/QUOTE]
Find this hard to believe. Can you expand? The public bus is more than 100bht nowadays.
cheers
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Find this hard to believe. Can you expand? The public bus is more than 100bht nowadays.
Cheers[/QUOTE]This is not the ferang sucker penalty and prices vary, also can be negotiated. Bang Pli is >1/3 the way to Patty. You might get an even cheaper fare on the rattly old public "rot-maes" w/o a/c that go all the way BKK to Jomtien Bch with many stops. It can be fun to mingle with the locals (many working girls).
wednesday, august 2, 2006
english squire murdered, then burned
petchaburi (the nation): an english country squire was killed and his body burnt on a charcoal fire after he divorced his thai wife because of her gambling debts.
after being burned, the body of toby charnaud, 41, was then dismembered and parts rep001tered in kaeng krachan national park, a court in phetchaburi was told on monday.
charnaud had sold latimer farm near chippenham in wiltshire, after falling in love with a bargirl in bangkok. he went to live in hua hin, where he bought two bars to run with his new wife, pannada.
but after he took pannada home to visit his parents in britain, the marriage began to fall apart. charnaud eventually divorced pannada because of her gambling debts, giving her a 777,000-baht settlement. they shared custody of their five-year-old son.
in april last year pannada, 35, reported charnaud missing to police, but in court on monday she admitted she had lied; on march 27 last year she had in fact helped five relatives and friends from her home province of yasothon in the northeast to dispose of his body.
pannada denied premeditated murder and being an accomplice to murder but boontin puipong, sattri sripatum and nipit satabut admitted murder with provocation. they have said they were provoked because charnaud had interrupted them while they were drinking whisky.
pannada said, “i was at the market and returned home to find my ex-husband dead.”
all four were also charged with possessing a gun in a public place, deceiving police, and concealing the body.
two other defendants, somsak papai and wisan samaksri, denied all charges. their only involvement, they said, was that they moved charnaud’s car after the murder.
in britain, after charnaud was reported missing, his sister hannah allen and his parents, jeremy, 67, and sarah, 65, became suspicious. they hired a thailand-based scottish private detective, who checked mobile-phone records and discovered that toby had been at his ex-wife’s house on the day he supposedly disappeared.
when police raided the house, two of the defendants confessed and led police to where they had dumped the body parts.
toby charnaud had arrived to visit his five-year-old son daniel, phetchaburi provincial court was told. at first the relatives and friends of pannada tried to kill him with a long-barrelled hunting musket but it misfired. they then clubbed him to death with an iron bar and wooden staves.
they burned his body on a charcoal fire, using 20 kilograms of charcoal they had bought earlier in the day. they then cut up the charred body and distributing the parts around kaeng krachan national park on the thai-burma border.
the charnaud family’s lawyer, boonchu yensabai, who is jointly prosecuting the defendants said: “the only motive can be that pannada expected to inherit everything through their son. if she is acquitted of conspiracy to murder, we will appeal.”
in a letter to the court, mrs sarah charnaud said: “for me, his mother, one of the worst horrors of his death is the fact that the first attempt to kill him failed and he would have been aware of his murderers making their fatal attack. his fear and concern for his son would have been overwhelming.
“toby was a wonderful father to his son and it is so unfair that a small boy has been deprived of a great father and a father has been deprived of seeing his son grow up.
“ it is difficult to come to terms with the fact that this woman was behind the murder of the father of her child.
“i trust the court will judge fairly and also understand that i cannot be there to hear the defence downgrade the value of human life and to hear more details of my son’s horrific death.”
gentleman farmer toby charnaud predicted his own death in a short story competition organized by a magazine in bangkok, his sister hannah allen believes.
the story, entitled rainfall, is about a british man called guy who falls in love with a thai woman and whose life then falls apart.
she does not come home at nights. she builds up gambling debts. eventually he is murdered by his best thai friend, who – though guy does not know this – is one of his wife’s lovers.
the story won first prize.
said his mother, “the story is eerie. i am sure he had his suspicions.”
the case was adjourned until september 6.
[QUOTE=FKKguide]This is not the ferang sucker penalty.[/QUOTE]
Im still lost.
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Im still lost.[/QUOTE]
Sid, i think FKKguide is trying to advise you to take an extremely slow, un air conned bus that stops at every little bus stop on the way, and probably arrives 4 hours after it leaves Bangna (as you know mate, i know Bangna very well). The only benefit of doing this, over the government run, air con coaches that stop outside central Bangna and Lotus Bangna every 20 minutes and take just over an hour to arrive in Pattaya would be the saving of about 50 baht on the ticket price.
Fellow mongers, the choice (whilst blatantly obvious) is all yours !
Ive got it sussed meaty, no probs. FKK the sneaky devil has edited his post which clears everythingup. Go and check his original post and then check my post where I have quoted him.
FKK- Theres no problem, just i was a bit curious when you first posted "VIP a/c" busses every 15 mins for 50 bht. I know what you mean now tho. Still lost on "ferang sucker penalty", but never mind :D
Sid
Can some vetrans throw light on problems i might face in thailand due to ethinicity.
I am US citizen of indian descent professional and have visted thailand with family and stayed Upscale but never mongered.I am passing through BKK and may have 2 or 3 nights transit.I read that there are problems for indians in BKK.Of course being used to prague and sanjose i know how to treat girls but looking at me one would assume I am from india and rightly so ,What to do ?skip BKK and go to PNHor yangon,
Thanks,
jayagopal50
[QUOTE=FKKguide]This is not the ferang sucker penalty and prices vary, also can be negotiated.
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FKKguide,
what, prices for either bus - a/c VIP or non a/c "rot mae" - can be negotiated ?
Never heard of that. Prices are quoted and fixed to my knowledge, no way to negotiate.
The "sucker penalty" is probably what the farang pay over and above what Thai pay for "similar" service (like the extra 50B for "eh" (Thai quick for "AC") )
Nothing quite like the milk run - pass everything on the road but a potential passenger - BEEP BEEP!!
i hope nobody minds, but i came across this article on prospect magazine, dated may 2005 and found it an interesting read, i hope others do to..
(jackson, its a very long article, if its too long, let me know and i will delete and post a link instead)
[i][b]thailand generates fantasies, both for tourists in search of sex and for aid workers peddling lurid tales of trafficking. the tsunami created more false horror stories. what are the facts of the trade?
alex renton[/b]
january was ugly in our part of bangkok. we live near soi nana, off sukhumvit road, a famous tourist site catering for a specific sort of visitor: middle-aged western men. they come to nana for one reason—to have sex cheaply. november to january is high season in thailand for holidaymakers from northern nations, and the bars and pavements of nana are packed with hundreds of people buying and selling sex. january was busier than ever this year. it took a struggle every evening to get through the ranks of skinny thai women and the pale men in shorts picking them over.
it was the tsunami, of course. patong beach, one of the worst hit parts of phuket island, is among thailand's best known destinations for tourists seeking sex. so the men transferred their holidays to bangkok. happily for them, there was a drought in northeastern thailand at the end of 2004. the poor rice crop that resulted sent more young girls than usual down from their impoverished villages on the plains of isaan to harvest the tourists in the big city. this seasonal migration goes back, historians of the sex trade will tell you, to the vietnam war and the establishment of thailand as a brothel for american gis on leave. prostitution for foreign visitors developed into a major industry, although official thailand shrouds its economic and social significance in misinformation and a variety of interesting hypocrisies.
for a start, no one knows how many foreigners come to thailand every year to buy sex. many people have opinions on the matter—not least thailand's government, which understandably resists the label "brothel of the world." it has threatened to expel journalists who impugn the honour of thai womenfolk, and forced longman's dictionary to change its 1993 edition, the entry for bangkok which included the line "a place where there are a lot of prostitutes." thailand, in its turn, has been considerably abused by statisticians and ngos. claims that there are 2m or more prostitutes in the population of 64m, as was once stated in a time cover story, are absurd. this much-quoted figure was drawn from the statistics of the coalition against trafficking in women, an international ngo. if true, it would mean that one in four thai women between the ages of 15 and 29 in thailand was a prostitute. another anti-trafficking organisation, ecpat (end child prostitution, child pornography and trafficking of children for sexual purposes), claimed in the mid-1990s that there were up to 800,000 thai child prostitutes—a lunatic figure that still circulates in the us state department.
the trade in humans across the borders of southeast asia is a real and ugly story, but it continues to throw up incredible statistics—perhaps because it is an issue that generates large amounts of aid dollars. there are 21 un agencies and ngos based in bangkok which concern themselves with trafficking. the boxing day tsunami predictably generated a trafficking angle. within a few days, aid agencies led by unicef were issuing grim warnings of orphans being sold for adoption or the sex trade. the western media got particularly excited by the picture of an angelic nordic child, supposedly stolen from a thai hospital. this proved baseless, and there has yet to emerge a single credible example of a tsunami child, blond or brown, being sold. but the story has flourished in the global consciousness, leaving the few facts from which it seeded far behind.
the sex industry in thailand generates fantasies. there are the fantasies of pliant girls which draw the western sex tourists, and then there are the fantasies of lurid exploitation which draw the western moralisers and ngos. but what is the actual scale of prostitution in thailand? and how serious is the trafficking problem?
selling sex has been illegal in the kingdom since 1960, but longman's was right—there are a lot of prostitutes. ask most sensible analysts in thailand and you will be told that the number of women employed in prostitution, though a long way short of 2m, is between 150,000 and 220,000 (male prostitutes are a tiny fraction of that). you will also hear that western sex tourism is not economically significant, that most prostitution in thailand is for local men, and that most of the people who do come from abroad for sex are asian. there is some truth in this. sixty per cent of thailand's 10m visitors in 2003 were from elsewhere in east asia, and certainly the brothel-lined towns on thailand's malaysian border, and the entire streets in bangkok that are devoted to sex clubs for "japanese only," are evidence of the sex trade designed for the region.
but the proof is there—in pattaya, in phuket and on my own street in bangkok—that huge numbers of non-asian visitors buy sex in thailand. but how many? sex tourism is notoriously difficult to measure. how can you ask at immigration if tourists have arrived in thailand primarily for the prostitution? how do you know if a man on a business trip is likely to visit a sex venue with his thai colleagues? yet while the government, and the tourist and aviation industries, resist attempts to measure the significance of the sex trade, there is one way to gauge the extent of sex tourism, even if in fairly crude terms. a look at the thai immigration department's statistics, culled from the cards foreigners must fill in on entry, reveals an interesting discrepancy: 60 per cent of visitors are male and only 40 per cent female. the gap grows when you look at arrivals from the rich countries who come to thailand on holiday in large numbers—the us, japan, britain, france. for these places, nearly two males arrived for every female in 2003.
more british citizens visit thailand than those of any other non-asian country. in 2003 (the last year for which full figures are available) some 545,000 british residents arrived on visits. if you remove the children, and the british citizens visiting for business or reasons other than a holiday, you arrive at about 489,000—314,000 men and 175,000 women. that is 139,000 more british men than women coming to thailand for a holiday—a gap of 28 per cent. the french gender disparity—60,500 more men than women—is 32 per cent, about the same as that of visitors from the us. the japanese, at 35 per cent, is the highest—over 300,000 more men. if you take europe as a whole (though there are some countries, like finland and sweden, with virtually no disparity) the gap is 25 per cent—494,000 more men than women.
a look at the major rich-nation visitors—those from the us, australia, europe and japan—shows that 952,000 more men than women visited thailand on holiday in 2003, a disparity of 28 per cent. (the 2004 statistics, not yet complete, will show a slight narrowing of this gap, but a leap of overall numbers of around 20 per cent.) this pattern is unique among major tourist destinations. take, for example, the caribbean, another popular tropical destination for economy tourism. here, the disparity runs at 2 or 3 per cent—the only country with a significant gap in favour of men, nearly 11 per cent, is cuba, the caribbean country most notorious for sex tourism.
do nearly a million men from the rich world come to thailand to buy sex every year? the proposition deserves challenge. men are capable of holidaying for reasons other than fornication with strangers. there is golf, after all. i asked sasithara pichaichannarong, director general of the thai government's office of tourism development, how she accounted for the discrepancy. "businessmen!" she said promptly. "they're counted as tourists in the statistics." but i had factored them out—and in any case, only 31,000 britons stated business rather than holiday as the purpose of their visit in 2003, less than 6 per cent of the total. so did sex explain the extra 950,000 men that arrive from wealthy countries? "probably," she said. "but sex tourism exists everywhere, not just in thailand." not in such numbers, however. these extra men represent 10 per cent of all international arrivals in thailand.
so what are these men doing in thailand? i took the problem to john koldowski, managing director for strategic intelligence at the bangkok-based pacific asia travel association. he was understandably cagey: pata is funded by government, airlines and the hotel industry. but yes, he confirmed, the gender discrepancy is unusual for the global tourist destinations. so these extra men are coming here for sex? "it's that, or the golf," said koldowski.
and why so many brits? he thought that the backpacker tourists might account for the gap—young british males, following the traditional trail through southeast asia to see mates or relatives in australasia. but the average british arrival is aged 40, i pointed out. "backpacking is a state of mind, not an age thing," pronounced koldowski. that's an advertising slogan, not an explanation, i said.
he became tetchy. "look, if you are really researching the social factors of this, you should consider if men might come here because they're fed up with the ball-breaking females they have to deal with at home. maybe they want to meet the sort of gentle, beautiful, kind-hearted women they'll find here." this seemed to answer my question. the men are here for sex and, of course, golf. or both. female golf caddies who double as prostitutes are, anecdotally, one of the special features of the courses of thailand.
sex tourism is a significant part of thailand's economy. tourism overall has been the country's major foreign currency earner since 1982. in 2003, international tourism alone accounted for 309.26bn baht (£4.56bn) in receipts—about 6 per cent of gdp—ranking thailand 15th in the world. that year, the extra adult male holidaymakers from around the world probably generated almost £1bn—over 1 per cent of thailand's gdp.
but prostitution in thailand is much bigger than just the trade for tourists. there is no official measurement of the economics, but the clues are there. many thai men are habitual users of prostitutes, and the trade, while illegal, carries less stigma than in most countries and is acknowledged by the government as a source of revenue. in january, the thai excise department announced that it was going to seek a larger take in the so-called "sin tax" from massage parlours, a common brothel front. but thai tax collection is notoriously inefficient. a better indicator of the money around in the prostitution business came last year from chuwit kamolvisit, who was employing 2,000 prostitutes in six luxury massage parlours in bangkok (which he liked to refer to as "semen collection centres"). chuwit, the "tub tycoon," is an amusing rogue—"very un-thai," they say here—who in february 2005 became an opposition member of parliament with an anti-corruption agenda. during his campaign he opened his books to the press, revealing to a largely unsurprised nation that his monthly bill for bribes and payoffs to the bangkok authorities came to £160,000. separately, thailand's national economic and social advisory council (nesac) said that massage parlour owners pay £62m a year in police bribes. the income directly generated by prostitution was estimated at 100bn baht (£1.5bn) by the respected thai economist pasuk phongpaichit in a 1998 study. this is about a third of the value of the agriculture sector, which employs more people than any other in thailand.
westerners form an important—albeit not the major—part of this economic picture. a few have settled here because of it, calling themselves "sexpatriates." in towns like pattaya on the gulf of thailand, on phuket island and in the sex trade districts of bangkok, they run bars, hotels and brothels, mediating the transactions between male tourists and thai women. they are vocal on websites and in local publishing ventures, churning out guides for sex tourists. some of these men see themselves as exiles, refugees from the "feminazis" who are crushing the spirit of the western male. here, the old order of the sexes still reigns. women know their place, they wash your feet before they have sex with you, they say thank you and help you in the shower afterwards. and, of course, westerners' savings and pensions go a long way. beer is a dollar a bottle, and a woman for the night available for £10 or less. it's the "last place you can be a white man," says one bar-owning sexpat on his website.
their guidebooks picture a world of grasping, stupid peasant girls, known as "lbfms" (little brown fucking machines), out to entrap and rip off the honest, randy male visitor, who must treat them firmly and be sure to stamp out any nonsense for the sake of the next bloke who comes along. books like sex, lies & bar girls are available in mainstream shops, including at bangkok airport. they are full of robust advice on "scrogging" as many thai women in as short a time and for as little money as possible.
one of the self-justifications put forward by the sexpats is that the business makes everyone happy—the exploitation is two-way. it is not like normal prostitution, you hear. all the girls are smiling! ("all smile, all the time!" is an official tourism slogan). but you don't have to be a feminazi to see that the power relationship is grossly unbalanced. the real choices lie with the man with the wallet.
the famous thai smile hides a lot. the women of rural thailand who descend on the tourist areas are driven by poverty. around a third of the thai population lives on less than $2 a day; in the agricultural northeast, where farmers are beset by drought and collapsing prices (chiefly because of the dropping of trade barriers with china), one in six people lives on less than $1 a day. a high proportion of prostitutes—over 60 per cent, according to some surveys—have left children at home in the countryside. in traditional thai society, a girl's first duty is the support of her family. seventy-five per cent of prostitutes, according to one study, entered the trade after the failure of a relationship—"damaged goods" in a society that still puts a high premium on female virginity. another common reason given for entering prostitution is the pressure of family debts.
and the gains to be had are fabulous. the price of sex from a street prostitute in nana starts at perhaps 500 baht, a little over £7. that is a fortnight's living costs in the countryside, or half a week's salary for a thai police constable. there is little doubt that the sex trade is vital to the economy of the poor northeast, which is another of the well-rehearsed justifications of the sexpats. tales of bar girls who retire rich and happy to their home villages—some of them with a farang (foreign) husband—are many, and there is no social disgrace attached. "the land a girl child ploughs lies between her legs," goes a saying from rural thailand. but some women are broken in the process, and on my street, occasionally, you can see the damage that results.
still, there is a grain of truth in the sexpat argument. soi nana is not like the grim red light districts of london or new york, with their backdrop of organised crime, violence, and drug use. the only fight i have seen on nana was between drunken englishmen. amphetamines are widely used by the prostitutes, it is said, but not heroin. i have spotted one used syringe in the gutter in our four years here: there was worse to be seen nightly on the crack-infected street in west london where we used to live. most women soliciting rich-world foreigners are relatively free agents. their worst affliction appears to be the corrupt bangkok police. in thailand, the industry is not generally pimp-driven and, although technically illegal, its openness undoubtedly provides some protection for women. the sex tourist is more likely to visit a bar or a massage parlour than a traditional "closed" brothel (these appear to be more common for the domestic sex trade). ngos say that condom use is close to 100 per cent, and hiv infection has been in decline in thailand for a decade.
my family and i have become blasé about the street over the four years since we rented a house off nana. we used to stare, transfixed by the grotesque beauty and the beast scenes: slender girls being slobbered over by beery skinheads, the doddery grandfathers being escorted to hotels by tiny teenagers. but you come to realise these objections are chiefly aesthetic. the tourists, as opposed to the sexpats, are not so bad—often ignorant, yes, but lonely and innocent too. we have only once on our street seen a girl who was plainly ****. she was being bundled into a car by two western men—we tried to get the police to stop the vehicle but they were not interested. (of the 21 agencies and ngos working from bangkok on the trafficking problem, not one has managed to set up a 24-hour hotline where foreign visitors can report it actually happening.)
on my street you get snapshots of sadness—the look of a woman as she turns her face from her elderly male escort, her smile slipping to reveal what she is really thinking; the desperate patience of the older women, not pretty enough any longer to be attached to a bar, who must patiently wait in line under the glaring lights of the nana hotel sign. these can make you feel like crying for humanity, but, rationally, you must think, this is what globalised tourism and the laws of supply and demand will produce. what specifically should we object to? to stamp out the sex trade would cause enormous harm in a country that fails abjectly, despite its relative wealth, to provide for its poor. after four years, i find that the only aspect that can get me really heated about sex tourism in thailand is the hypocrisy, from both the trade's apologists and its enemies.
there is another sex-related industry in bangkok—run by those who survey and lobby, preach and analyse and argue endlessly with each other about how to stop or curb prostitution and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. there is a harvest here, too, for cultural anthropologists and social historians. the books on why people have sex in thailand line the bookshop shelves next to those on how to have sex in thailand. there are socioeconomists analysing the "incomplete dialectic between tourist and prostitute"; anthropologists on the foucaultian relationship between a thai prostitute and her body; social historians on the growth of the myth of the exotic orient, as promulgated by puccini, gauguin or the young british men who ran the trading posts of the east india company. there are, as pasuk phongpaichit points out, many people beyond the prostitutes themselves who make a living on the back of thailand's sex trade.
and there is one aspect about which everyone agrees something must be done: "trafficking," the sale of women and children into the sex trade. worrying about trafficking is another business, employing its own community of expats in bangkok, which is the southeast asian hub for many international ngos. thirteen un agencies and eight international ngos are involved in anti-trafficking work, so many that a further un body (uniap, the united nations inter-agency project on [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] in the greater mekong sub-region) was established in 2000, employing 18 people, to co-ordinate them and all the international ngos (save the children, oxfam and so on) which run programmes or policies on trafficking in the six countries through which the mekong river flows.
donors—particularly the us and british governments—throw millions of dollars at trafficking every year. spending on the issue has shot up during the bush administration—it was $50m in 2003—for which the trafficking of women and children for sex is an ideal target for foreign aid. "it fits the demands of an ideological morality that says that in essence all sex issues should be dealt with by abstinence. and it's about defenceless kids and teenagers," said one former unicef worker. another who was involved in the agency's anti-trafficking programmes in east asia told me that within unicef they are seen as "a great collecting bucket," a reliable method of raising funds that can then be spent on less donor-thrilling projects, like education or immunisation.
thus hardly a fortnight in bangkok goes by without another seminar, conference or children's forum, organised by uniap or others. in november, i dropped in on the "post-yokohama mid-term review of the east asia and pacific regional commitment and action plan against commercial sexual exploitation of children," held by unescap (un economic and social commission for asia and pacific), unicef and ecpat. this three-day meeting, attended by delegates from more than 20 countries, was to report on what had happened since the last such meeting three years earlier in yokohama. the only concrete development, it seemed, was the signing in burma a month earlier by ministers from cambodia, china, laos, thailand and vietnam of a "memorandum of understanding to co-ordinate action to prevent trafficking." this was being hailed as a big achievement. but it was also noted that "a lack of reliable data remains a major hindrance to the implementation of well-targeted and effective measures to stop the commercial sexual exploitation of children."
that is an understatement. everyone in the anti-trafficking industry is painfully aware that there is no real data at all. there are gruesome anecdotes and a few unimpressive figures for arrest and prosecution, but hard facts do not exist. you are told that each year many thai women are sold into the sex trade in japan, that they arrive thinking they are going to work as nannies or waitresses and find themselves saddled with "debts" of $25,000-45,000 and forced to work them off by yakuza gangsters in brothels known as "black jails." such was the report of human rights lobbyist kinsey dinan, published by the harvard asia centre in 2002. but that article, like so many others, made no attempt to attach numbers to the stories. dinan's "several-year long research project" with human rights watch merely says she "found that thousands of women from thailand were being trafficked into… japan each year." that is it. the truth is there are no useful statistics on this issue in japan, other than some on the female visa overstayers (10,000 from thailand in 2001). but the ngo lobbyists need better than that to tickle the donors. there are much more frightening ones around, and they are widely quoted: unicef's estimate, for example, that 1.2m children (meaning under-18 year olds) are trafficked every year, a third of them in asia.
at a recent anti-trafficking meeting of international ngos, i met a woman from oxfam india who told the meeting that in delhi alone [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord913][CodeWord913][/url] was a business worth $1m a day. no one raised an eyebrow. another agency claims the child sex trade has a $7bn annual turnover in asia (a figure the us state department gives as the global value of the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] trade). these numbers are endlessly parroted by lobbyists and journalists, and never, it seems, challenged. the trade in humans is an area where anyone seems pretty much able to say anything. david feingold, international co-ordinator on hiv and trafficking for unesco, analyses the statistics on these issues, but even he has not been able to get unicef to explain its figure of 1.2m children. "trafficking is a dangerous word," feingold says. "it stops the brain working."
if you ask the agencies how they get these figures, you get a weary response: "why are you journalists so obsessed with statistics?" at the post-yokohama mid-term review, i put the question to anupama rao singh, regional director of unicef for east asia. she replied that she understood the journalistic "compulsion" for figures, but added, "i must make one point: the trafficking of children for sexual exploitation is one of the worst and most abhorrent abuses, one that cannot be condoned, irrespective of the numbers!" for this, she earned a cheer from her colleagues. question the figures and you will be told you are helping the exploiters. a researcher i know who has worked in east europe and west africa on trafficking surveys for unicef and save the children says that the problem lies in the fact that the data everyone wants are near impossible to come by. "it's not like measuring hiv infections, or seeing if children have access to safe drinking water. how do you extrapolate from the anecdotes? how do you separate a woman whose uncle gave her a lift to the big city to help her find work from a woman whose uncle paid her mother money to be allowed to put her to work?" but the commissioners of reports demand hard statistics. "the pressure to fudge them is enormous."
feingold has a favourite example: the commonly used figure of 5-7,000 girls trafficked each year from nepal to india. "it dates from a 1986 ngos' seminar, when it was, i gather, a wild guess, and it was published in the times of india in 1989. it has been in use ever since." after we met, i searched for the terms "5,000-7,000 nepali girls" in google and got 110 results, most of them relevant and appearing in documents by eminent organisations, including the world bank and usaid. the most recent references to this 19-year-old "wild guess" were dated february 2005, and appeared in a unicef paper and on the website of the catholic aid agency aphd.
bad statistics have a habit of reproducing and mutating. "the us government," says feingold, "recently revised its figure of 700,000-2m people trafficked worldwide—a figure which no one could possibly know. on the state department website, this is now down to 600-800,000. then they say that 80 per cent of these are female and 50 per cent minors. how could anyone possibly know that? i've been given a private explanation of their methodology and it's ludicrous."
i asked anne horsley for statistics. she is project co-ordinator for the international organisation for migration, working on "long-term recovery and reintegration assistance to trafficked women and children." based in phnom penh, horsley seemed more hands-on than most trafficking lobbyists. cambodia to thailand is meant to be a big export route for women and children. there is migrant labour going, legally and illegally, across these borders in the hundreds of thousands. horsley, though, was also reluctant to be specific. her rehabilitation project dealt with "a few hundred" cambodian children each year, repatriated from thailand. some 25 per cent had had sexual experience, and two per cent said they had been involved in prostitution. if "a few hundred" were, say, 400, then 2 per cent would amount to eight under-18 year olds.
shortly after the tsunami, unicef started raising the spectre of orphans from the disaster being preyed upon and sold for sex, quoting "reports" of this having already happened. this was seized on by other agencies, and doubtless brought more money into appeal funds that were, as some organisations will admit, already subscribed beyond the organisations' ability to spend the cash. (privately, the agencies are staggered at the success of their appeals. one international ngo says it will take eight years to spend the money donated in the first month after the wave hit.) no one at unicef has come up with a credible example of a tsunami orphan being sold for sex—despite journalists' repeated requests. a british aid agency worker returning from the devastation in aceh said to me: "well, i heard that only one case of that actually having happened has been proved. but the good thing about that story is that it made the indonesians wake up to the fact that there could be a problem, and that their people needed training to look out for it."
the statistics are seductive: a powerful tool for raising money, but also, as in aceh, for embarrassing complacent governments whose women and children are demonstrably vulnerable. some shocking stats and opprobrium in the media have got the thai government to beef up its laws and policing, and in thailand, arrests on trafficking or child abuse charges have risen a little. in may 2004, thailand's autocratic prime minister thaksin shinawatra announced a "war on trafficking and prostitution," shortly after the international labour organisation (ilo) announced that 200-300,000 children were trafficked for sex into thailand annually (though it is hard to see how they would fit into an existing population of 200,000 prostitutes), and shortly before the us state department released a report putting thailand on its "watch list" of countries not working adequately to prevent [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. special police squads now exist to track the trafficking gangs, which are said to number about 30 in thailand, and to have links to 70 or 80 in other countries; and in april 2005 a deputy prime minister was put in charge of a new [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] control board. but arrests and prosecutions remain few. in december 2004, in a report on one of the special 36-man anti-trafficking squads now patrolling 1,165km of the northern thai-burmese border, it was revealed that not a single arrest had been made, nor any victim rescued. in fact, in the first year of operation, on the entire burmese border only four arrests had been made and four suspected trafficking victims freed. many things can be deduced from this—not least the inefficiency of the thai police. but a worrying question remains: how can you stop the trafficking of children for sex if you cannot find out where or how or in what numbers they are being trafficked?
some of the agencies are beginning to admit that bad numbers can undermine their credibility. ecpat, the child prostitution agency, does impressive work at the "demand side," including the training of hotel staff in thailand to report on customers who may be using **** prostitutes. formerly one of the worst offenders with exaggerated numbers, ecpat now bases its statistics on figures provided by national governmental bodies, which are likely to be underestimates. in 2003, the ilo started a $10m, five-year project to combat trafficking in thailand and four neighbouring countries, largely funded by britain's department for international development. allan dow, communications officer for the project, partially disowns that ilo figure of 200-300,000 children trafficked into the region. "we've stopped using numbers now. we know the problem is serious: there's no point coming up with unreliable statistics. not having numbers doesn't mean we don't know what we're doing… but we have to admit that the current methodology for getting statistics doesn't work."
trafficking is a real problem and, though there is little prospect of it being measured accurately, circumstances suggest that it will grow. tourism into southeast asia is forecast to increase by 14 per cent a year. even after the tsunami, 13m people are expected to visit thailand during 2005, and the kingdom plans to push that to 20m by 2008, which would make it the world's seventh most popular destination, just after britain. and sex is demonstrably one of thailand's major tourist attractions. what must concern those who, like me, take a liberal view of the sex trade is that **** prostitution is an inevitable part of it. teenagers, research shows, are brought into the trade not principally because of the dedicated paedophiles we read so much about, but because youth is a valuable commodity. men like to buy sex with young women: the young poor are the most easily obtained for them.
a few in the anti-trafficking community admit they have to reassess their approach. amid the self-congratulation of the post-yokohama meeting, there was one note of caution sounded. vitit muntarbhorn, a law professor and former special rapporteur for the un secretary general on child prostitution and trafficking, told the meeting: "we've focused a lot on supply issues. it's time we placed as much focus on demand." the professor is a thai, but his own country is set, if anything, to increase the demand for prostitutes. "the thai government is committed to quality tourism," said sasithara pichaichannarong of the office of tourism development, "and that includes being anti-sex tourism." she gave no details of exactly what the kingdom is doing to oppose sex tourism—though if you tried to set up a sex tourism business today you would probably be discouraged. it was not always thus. in the 1980s, overt sex tourism flourished with considerable government encouragement. doctors were even asked to play down the threat of aids in order not to put off tourists.
quietly, though, thailand appears to have accepted its role as provider of sexual services to the rest of the planet. all that can be realistically asked is that it sets about doing it as cleanly and kindly as possible: that means tackling poverty in the rural north and corruption in the police force, as well as properly addressing the problem of the trafficked and the ****. the country would be aided in the latter by more honesty from the ngos who have been given so many millions of aid dollars to tackle these problems.
travelling to thailand for sex will continue. the brand is established. the beautiful young woman wrapped in silk with her demure but inviting smile is a feature of thai travel posters across the world. the promise is of "happiness on earth"—the delights of paradise just a cheap flight away. most of the traditional tourist attractions are disappearing. the country's beaches are overexploited, its forests shrinking and the islands poisoned by tourists' waste. but thailand and its neighbours retain one renewable resource for the tourists that is not in danger of running out—the supply of poor, smiling women.[/i]
It was a very interesting read, Meaty. Can you provide a link, so I can send it to a few people I know. Thanks.
The link for the below report is [url]http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=6889[/url]
But i came across it by being in here [url]http://www.asianpicturesandvideos.com/[/url] which has other interesting links to reads.
Meaty,
Good article about the naughty industry... It might become their most lucrative market if investors continue to bail out of investing in Thailand. Just recently the PM was making an appeal to the Thai media to not portrait the country in a political chaos as it would hurt the country's image for investors. Meanwhile he is not doing anything meaningful to correct the political vacuum. Go figure...
juices
Don Muang Airport to become market--partly
BANGKOK: -- When flight operations cease at Don Muang Aiprort, Thailand's Ministry of Commerce plans to convert at least a portion of Don Muang International Airport's existing departure areas into a central market after the new Suvarnabhumi International Airport is opened for commercial use on September 28, Deputy Commerce Minister Preecha Laohapongchana said Saturday.
The Don Muang Airport has two international terminals and one domestic terminal.
Departure areas are on the upper levels of the three terminals.
Arrivals are on the ground floor of the three terminals, while parking facilities are available for prospective shoppers.
A feasibility study has been conducted and will be soon given to Commerce Minister Somkid Jatusripitak, also a deputy prime minister, for his consideration before being submitted to the cabinet for a final approval, Mr. Preecha said.
The ministry plans to use 5,000 to 10,000 square metres of the airport's departure section for use as central market which will enable people to buy goods at fair prices, Mr. Preecha said.
Manufacturers will be allowed to display and sell their merchandises at the area, but their rights will be revoked if their goods are found to be overpriced or the quality is poor, he added.
--TNA 2006-08-05
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BANGKOK (Reuters) - Thai cultural watchdogs have banned a line of condoms whose name translates as "Good Penetration," saying the suggestive label could draw youngsters into having sex earlier, newspapers reported Tuesday.
The condoms are actually named "Tom Dundee" after the stage name of a popular country singer, but Culture Ministry officials said this was inappropriate and offended good norms and culture, the Thai Rath tabloid said.
"Dundee" in Thai means "Good Penetration."
"Although the name is not vulgar or rude, it is ambiguous, boastful and provocative," said Ladda Tangsupachai of the Cultural Watch Center.
"It could entice excessive consumption and lure children and youths with little maturity to start having sexual activities before their appropriate age," she added.
Dundee, whose real name is Puntiva Poomiprates, defended lending his stage name to the condom brand.
He said he was merely following a government policy to promote safe sex in a country where over 500,000 people have HIV or AIDS, and indicators point to climbing infection rates among the young.
"You can't stop human desire, no matter how old they are, so it is better to protect them," Puntiva told Reuters, adding that he had been telling his audiences about the risks of AIDS and unwanted pregnancy for years.
In Thailand, condom producers have to seek approval from both the Health and Culture ministries.
hi,
this should make clear, once and for all, that tourists drive up prices, thanks:
>>>>>paradise lost
the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] of samui
locals pay the price for rapid development as they were unprepared for the changes
story by anjira assavanonda
younger generations of samui residents have lost the chance to live in a beautiful natural environment with serene surroundings like their forebears, as uncontrolled tourism development has rapidly destroyed the island. — pattanapong hinrunard
in emerging as one of the country's top tourism destinations, koh samui has paid a high price.
gone are its serenity and lush green surroundings, the credentials that made the island much sought-after by holiday makers, both local and foreign.
buildings like hotels, resorts and real estate projects, have been mushrooming too quickly over the last decade. the coconut trees that once lined the island beaches have all vanished.
now that the beach-front areas are fully occupied and land developers are eyeing mountain land, concern is growing over the environmental impact.
"samui never had a development plan. we never thought the growth would be so fast and extreme, and local people were never prepared for the changes when tourism was being promoted. they never learned to manage their own resources. in the end, the power of money won, and we've seen the islanders lose their land to foreigners," said dr suvit nanthapanich, a retired physician who is a native of samui.
the two fully-developed areas are chaweng and lamai beaches on the eastern coast, which are renowned for their beautiful white sand. much of the area is occupied by foreign developers and the islanders have unknowingly lost their rights to the natural resources.
"so many hotels and resorts have occupied the areas, blocking much of the way to the beaches, which are public property. at chaweng and lamai beaches, for example, we have only one small public path each to get to the seashore," said an islander who declined to be named. with tourism booming on samui, the island these days attracts more high-end visitors than foreign backpackers. room rates have risen sharply from 700-800 baht per night a decade ago to 2,000 to 20,000 baht today.
statistics of the samui tourism promotion association show that about one million tourists visited the island last year, a 20% increase from 2004. there are currently 20-30 domestic flights a day to the island, monopolised by bangkok airways, and over 30 ferry trips operated daily by two companies, seatran travel and racha ferry.
traffic on the island has become a serious problem as well. the island's 53km-long main road is crammed with all kinds of vehicles - passenger cars, motorcycles, pick-ups and trucks ferrying construction materials that run all day. the rate of road accidents is high, particularly motorcycle-related cases.
"in the past, the road was so empty i could close my eyes and drive without hitting anyone, but today it's so busy. driving around the island today can take almost an hour," said senee phuwasetthavorn, president of the samui tourism promotion association. she said materially, samui has everything a major city would want to have - tapwater has reached even the remotest areas - convenience stores as well as megastores.
however, the islanders are not enjoying the fruits of urban development. local people are struggling hard to survive due to high commodity prices. population growth has also affected the quality of well water, a major water resource for locals, and made them more dependent on bottled drinking water.
food is also sold to locals at the same prices being offered to tourists. "the price of pork has risen from 36 baht a kilo in the past to 80-100 baht, rice to 300 baht per container. before, we could buy a fish in pieces, but today vendors prefer to sell the fish as a whole because it is regularly ordered by resorts and bungalows," said suchart ruangnam, an islander.
charges for the public pick-up truck services to get around the island have doubled in the past decade. there are meter-taxis on the island - which start at 50 baht, but drivers simply refuse to use them. a taxi trip covering half the island can cost as much as 300 baht, an unaffordable sum for the islanders.
there are four private hospitals with modern equipment and facilities on the island, but most of their customers are foreigners. most locals have no choice but to turn to the koh samui hospital for medical treatment, the only public hospital on the island, and which has only 11 doctors and 166 beds to cater to the 40,000 locals and another 100,000 migrant workers, mostly from the northeast.
dr poonsawat somboonpanya, the hospital director, said many doctors and health workers had quit their jobs because they could not afford the high commodity prices as the salaries they were receiving from the government were very low.
a large number of native islanders have sold their land and relocated to other nearby provinces such as chumphon and ranong.
"the close-knit community has been torn apart. in the past, we used to know each other so well, but things have changed with the influx of isan people. now we don't know who is who on the island," said 77-year-old fangpol boonliang, an islander and father of popular folk singer su boonliang.
"criminal and drug activities are also on the rise because youngsters have grown up unsupervised as we don't know whose children they are, and don't dare to interfere when they do something wrong. if they were the children of islanders, we would not have hesitated to inform their parents or grandparents what their children were up to, and that would have made a lot of difference," he said.
for an islander like dr suvit, it is painful to see how samui has changed for the worse. "it's like seeing our daughter being raped," he said.<<<<<
Freeler, I went to Samui in 1982. It was paradise. I have not gone since, and will never go again.
Freeler,
true, tourism has a lot of negative sides and you can hear the very same argumentation at most tourist spots around the world but who sold the land to those hotel chains ? Many islanders made a fortune and got rich by selling their land at a price they would never got without tourism.
A very trusted friend of mine has proposed to me to open a bar in Pattaya, the money is not what you would call big money and he seems to have the “right” girls to place, my concern is: none of us will actually settle there (at least for the immediate future) and I wanted to know if anybody has tried this. Farang not there, the till is always open and we will have to assume that petty theft and rounding will be done on a daily basis. Nobody opens a bar with the purpose of getting rich, but still, waste money is not my aim either.
Does any of you run or know someone that runs a bar from their home country or would that be perceived to be a tad too naïve?
Now a rhetorical question: A comprehensive guide, website or other where I could get fully acquainted with all the laws, options, dos-and-donts of buying your own business in LOS?
Thanks
Alistair, Stickman has some thoughts on that. You might have to search his site, but I remember reading about it.
or you could just send me the money you were going to invest, coz you'll never see it again. Not trying to be negative, but you don't have a prayer. You will lose it all. Dozend of guys have done this, and still lost their shirt, even though they were on site. You being gone...............
Do yourself a favor, and get that idea right out of your head!
I know Stickman's website by heart, chapeau to him.
He does however say at some point that some make it happen, despite the odds.
Anyway, I am definitely aware of the riskiness of the situation and your advice was much appreciated, thanks.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Alistair, Stickman has some thoughts on that. You might have to search his site, but I remember reading about it.
or you could just send me the money you were going to invest, coz you'll never see it again. Not trying to be negative, but you don't have a prayer. You will lose it all. Dozend of guys have done this, and still lost their shirt, even though they were on site. You being gone...............
Do yourself a favor, and get that idea right out of your head![/QUOTE]
Agree here.
Bars are hit or miss (mostly miss). Better chance of losing money than making any. Most will barely break even---meaning you'll be working for free (nothing to show for it).
I've been to many beer bars (patts and CM) and come back year later some will have changed hands already.
PT
[QUOTE=Alistair]A very trusted friend of mine has proposed to me to open a bar in Pattaya,[/QUOTE]
Alistair,
seems he doesn't earn your trust. :(
Alistair - check out the publications section of Tilleke and Gibbons' web site. It has just about all the information you need on doing business in Thailand. [url]http://www.tillekeandgibbins.com[/url]. In particular, check out the one titled Lex Mundi - Guide to Doing Business in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Alistair]
Now a rhetorical question: A comprehensive guide, website or other where I could get fully acquainted with all the laws, options, dos-and-donts of buying your own business in LOS?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
POSTED ON PHILIPPINES, THAILAND, MALAYSIA, CAMBODIA, CHINA FORUMS
Guys
I want to buy a ring with one of the above precious stones (don't ask me why?).
In your travels can you advise which country / city in your experience offers best quality / prices?
TIA
Daring Mood
Easy... just go the the Erawan Shrine and stand on the street corner looking like a tourist. One of the helpful local citizens, probably a doctor, policeman, lawyer, etc., will be more than happy to recommend a shop owned by a relative or friend of theirs who just so happens to be having a special sale. They will even arrange transportation for you.
[QUOTE=Daring Mood]POSTED ON PHILIPPINES, THAILAND, MALAYSIA, CAMBODIA, CHINA FORUMS
Guys
I want to buy a ring with one of the above precious stones (don't ask me why?).
In your travels can you advise which country / city in your experience offers best quality / prices?
TIA
Daring Mood[/QUOTE]
What do you want cut rocks or finished product? There are gem markets for ruby over near the Mayanmar border (Konchanaburi). If you go to Chantaburi (between Rayong and Trat), there is a gem market FRI, SAT and SUN (just ask at the bus station - they can tell you where - BUT I WARN YOU - you had better have more than a passing knowledge of gems before you try to buy in talad ploi (gem market) - synthetics abound. One more thing - not much action in Chantaburi - they seem to close up the town about 10 or so. Not much in Cambo - they mine sapphires in Paillin area - not much cutting activity (almost all there is cut in Thailand). Don't waste your time trying to find diamonds (ploi pet) - the availiability is in INDIA. So... IF you want a ring, just go find a nice store and buy it. (That part is easier than finding a chang tong IF you want to be serious about gemstones, the equipment cost will be in the $1000 range (just to get started - and that's as a NOVICE)
Daring, Dinghy is correct. if you REALLY know what you are doing, and are qualified to examine the stones and know how to tell fakes or seriously flawed stones from good ones, the answer is Thailand. If, however, you do not have this expertise, I am willing to bet that you will get scammed. And Myanmar is even better still than any of the countries you listed. But again, it is purely a buyer-beware type of market, and buyers lacking in expertise in what they are buying will almost surely be conned.
BTW, the only stones that are best to purchase in Thailand and Myanmar are Rubies and Sapphires, as those stones mostly come from this region. Diamonds mostly come from Africa and India, and are traded in Belgium and Israel. Emeralds mostly come from Brazil and neighboring South American countries.
Of course, if you actually knew what you were doing to the degree necessary not to get ripped off, you would already know where these markets are, and not need to ask on an international hooker board.
Buying Gems in SEA are "buyers beware", bring along an expert or you WILL get cheated--either in price or in fake gems.
But, there is one large gem store in BKK thats run by the govt (the name escapes me but its near the Kings Palace-- and it garantees ALL gems to be real, but prices are not cheap(mainly because of the high govt taxes) except for one -two days a year that they offer all their gems tax free, then buying the gems are a bargain. The tax free days are usually in late Oct or early Nov.
PT
Thanks guys for all the extremely helpful comments and PMs, much appreciated
Member #2041 your point about this being an "international hooker board" is what?
Daring Mood
2041 / PT - even WITH the knowledge(and the equipment) it's possible to get scammed.
Gems are "tricky" ... like some women. Sellers even more so. For "quantity" go to the talad ploi (Chantaburi is about the best and find a good broker as a middleman - they will watch out for you - "Pax and Na" seems pretty good). For "singles" go to a "good" jewelry store (avoid the World Gems on North Pattaya road - the store (not same owner but similar name) at corner of Beach and south is OK if a bit hi priced. Best gems just off Beach on Soi 6 is OK.
Beach road is good for the major pursuit in the forum as well...find some diamonds in the rough there frequently...
[QUOTE=Daring Mood]Thanks guys for all the extremely helpful comments and PMs, much appreciated
Member #2041 your point about this being an "international hooker board" is what?
Daring Mood[/QUOTE]
The point was, if you want information about buying gemstones, this is not the place to find that expertise. This is the place to find expertise about scoring hookers in asia. I believe that in seeking advice on the purchase of gemstones in Asia on this forum, you are entering into a mission for which you are ill prepared, and ill-informed about how to become prepared. On the other hand, if you want advice on getting P4P companionship in various asian locales, then, you've come to the right place.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]The point was, if you want information about buying gemstones, this is not the place to find that expertise. This is the place to find expertise about scoring hookers in asia. I believe that in seeking advice on the purchase of gemstones in Asia on this forum, you are entering into a mission for which you are ill prepared, and ill-informed about how to become prepared. On the other hand, if you want advice on getting P4P companionship in various asian locales, then, you've come to the right place.[/QUOTE]
What a silly place to ask such an important question - if the author is qualified to distinguish real vs. fake/artificial gems, he would also know the answer to his own question and not ask on ISG (not to say we don't have our own set of gems on this board).
LOL
Thailand under a familiar glare - Sunday August 27, 2006
The arrest of John Karr has revived depictions of Bangkok in the international press as a place where even the most taboo of perversions is easily satisfied, but in fact a lot of progress has been made in shutting down the child sex market in Thailand, writes ERIKA FRY
The way "Purple" is going to spend his five-hour layover at Don Muang Airport was up for discussion at InternationalSexGuide.com earlier this week. By the end of an afternoon his ambitious plan to get to NEP (Nana Entertainment Plaza) and get a girl in five hours or less, has drawn a handful of comments and helpful hints, and been resoundingly rejected by the ISG online community.
He has underestimated the delays of Bangkok traffic and Thai immigration lines, chides one poster. He has not allotted time for currency exchange or the 15 minutes it takes the girl to get dressed, says another. One fellow suggests he save time and just arrange for a girl to be at the airport hotel.
But the matter isn't completely settled until Senior Member (32 previous posts) "Wolf"' breaks in with a post that says "Purple's" best bet is to skip NEP, skip the pre-arranged tryst at the airport hotel, and skip on up to an MP (massage parlour) on the second floor of Don Muang, where, with a wink and the shucking of his clothes, he can get a girl without even leaving the airport.
That these matters are known, that these matters are discussed, and that these matters command the energies and attention of at least five different individuals on a Tuesday afternoon says something about the nature of sex tourism and the sex tourist in Thailand.
The Thailand file folder on InternationalSexGuide.com is stuffed full with 40,000 such posts (twice that of the next most-commented-on sex destination, China, and 40x that of most other Asian countries).
Who has this kind of time?
Yet as sex websites go, this one is incredibly benign. There are no naked pictures, no comments trying to lure young children into sex. There are even rules, asking vaguely for "general politeness" and strictly for grammatical precision (standard capitalisation and full spelling of the word "you", a must). It is a comment board - a space for sex tourists to swap stories (some in tedious bar-by-bar detail) or simply share information on the best places to eat in Pattaya.
The monitor, a strict grammarian, but apparently not a strict linguist, calls the site somewhat redundantly, a "permanent archive of travel records."
That there is the kind of interest to maintain such an archive speaks to the more-notorious-than-ever zeal with which some regard Thailand as a destination (or as for "Purple", a destination between destinations) for sex.
Thailand has taken a lot of heat for this image in recent weeks. Ever since American JonBenet Ramsey murder suspect and paedophile, John Karr, was discovered to be living in Bangkok, foreign media has made much of why he had chosen to live in Bangkok.
In just several days, and in far more reports, Bangkok was branded a haven for sex tourists, and worse, a paradise for paedophiles.
2Bangkok.com, a locally run website, monitored the "bad news about Bangkok"and plucked and posted quotes from the worst of it. USA Today ran a story all about the "seamy side" of Thai tourism, Time held a quote from someone saying that "the way Wall Street is to finance - Bangkok is to paedophiles," and an Associated Press story, now inescapable on Google searches, is headlined with mention of "lax laws."
It did not help matters that Karr was a teacher here, nor that he had been previously hired by two elite Thai schools, nor that when he had been fired from one, it had been, for of all things, being too strict.
Little mercy was given for the fact that before Karr was arrested as a teacher and paedophile in Bangkok, he was a teacher and paedophile in America, Honduras, Korea and a handful of Western European countries.
That Karr was found here, in a city with a sex tourist reputation that often precedes itself, was enough to inspire reports that were unfair or uninformed in their dismissal of the past decade of progress the Thai government and a handful of NGOs have made in addressing the country's child sex tourism and prostitution problems.
These efforts have been aggressive and extensive, and while accurate statistics are impossible to gather, experts believe the number of children being sexually exploited and the number of sex tourists exploiting them has fallen.
INITIATIVES AND COMMITMENT
"There is a definite commitment," says Anthony Burnett, Information Officer with the Bangkok-based international NGO ECPAT (End Child Prostitution, Child Pornography and Trafficking of Children for Sexual Purposes).
"The situation has improved over the past 10 years because the government of Thailand initiated policies and legislation; introduced and made punishment for people who exploit children more severe, and strengthened protections for the rights of victims. At the same time...Thailand has moved the age for completion of secondary education to 15 years old, introduced education loans for students and vocational training for poor families, and is arresting and punishing tourists who offend."
He says the government is also working to set up a trafficking database and is engaged in an anti-trafficking programme with other countries in the Mekong Sub-region.
Among a long list of other initiatives are efforts to better train law enforcement personnel in handling child sex crimes, to improve information sharing with foreign law enforcement agencies, and to rebrand Thailand as an up-scale and family-friendly tourist destination.
The Ministry of Tourism is also working with ECPAT to develop an Anti-Trafficking Roadmap that will work to stop trafficking and prostitution as they relate to tourism.
Meanwhile, much of the world has woken up to the issue of child sex offences committed abroad, and in recent years a number of countries, including the US, Australia, Canada, and the UK, have developed laws to prosecute citizens that commit such crimes abroad.
To help implement and enforce these laws, foreign governments have begun placing agents overseas and in problem countries. Australia has around a dozen such agents placed in various locales in Thailand, the US has an active contingent working on Operation Predator within its Immigration and Customs Enforcement office, and a large number of other embassies have at least one officer assigned to child sex crime issues, says Luc Ferran, ECPAT's Programme Officer for Combatting Trafficking and Child Sex Tourism.
The US has convicted nearly 20 people (a handful for crimes in Thailand) under the 2003 PROTECT law, while Australia has prosecuted four under its version.
These laws have also become the basis of a deterrence campaign by NGOs like ECPAT and World Vision that have created in-flight advertisements and billboards declaring "Abuse a child in this country, go to jail in yours."
Even with all that has been done, Ferran says, "there is still a long way to go" to ending child sex tourism in Thailand.
And as evidenced by the spate of recent paedophile arrests, and in spite of in-flight advertisements, travel brochures, and cautionary posters hanging in hotels, foreign child sex offenders are still coming.
INFORMATION EXCHANGE NEEDED
It is relatively easy for paedophiles to travel to and through Asia undetected, living tourist visa to tourist visa and finding cheap sex to be had with children. It is also relatively easy, as further evidenced by the spate of recent arrests, for such offenders to come to Asia, find teaching jobs (with or without easily obtaining fake passports, teaching certificates and diplomas) and position themselves in a classroom with 50 children.
"There is a need for countries to exchange information regarding known child sex offenders," says Burnett. He mentions that currently no such information is available, making it impossible for authorities to know when an offender travels into their country. Few countries restrict the departure of offenders to another country, he adds.
This makes the region an attractive one to offenders, who in the West are publicly registered, closely tracked, and often ostracised.
While Southeast Asia promises relative anonymity for previous offenders, it also provides comradeship through the huge community of other sex tourists and sex offenders.
Plus, Thailand is warmer, cheaper and half a world away.
But the draws for Thai sex tourism are hardly new - the lid having been lifted off this Pandora's Box long ago, when the commercial sex trade was ushered in with American soldiers taking "R and R" in Pattaya.
It was not long after that Thailand's sex tourism turned into the big, sordid, and lucrative business that it is, involving knowingly and unknowingly - and in addition to brothels, bars, massage parlours and sex workers - hotels, restaurants, taxi services, and tourism companies.
It seems natural, particularly in a lesser-developed country like Thailand, that a commercial sex tourism industry would eventually beget a child sex tourism industry. Children or parents, seeing prostitution as a means of survival enlist themselves or their children.
Meanwhile, sex tourists making use of these trades are, in the nature of tourists, more likely to explore and less likely to discriminate in their sexual encounters. Burnett says child sex tourists are often not regular child sex offenders, but "situational abusers." In other words, these individuals are put in a place where they can, and so they will.
While Ferran says the correlation of the two vary country to country (Cambodia and Sri Lanka, he points out, have had strong child sex markets, while comparatively small adult ones), the existence of a commercial sex industry certainly has some implications on the existence of a child sex tourism industry.
Because of the aggressive efforts in the last decade to crack down on the problem, child sex tourism is not nearly the problem in Thailand that it once was. While it is still happens in places like Bangkok, Chiang Rai, the Patong district of Phuket, and most visibly in Pattaya, child sex tourists are more likely to go to Cambodia, Vietnam, the Philippines, or Indonesia, where law enforcement is less strong.
But while child sex tourists may be engaging in activity elsewhere, Ferran says they often use Bangkok as their hub. "There are always a lot of them arriving," he says. Thus, there is always a steady stream of child sex tourists coming, going, and circulating through the capital city.
FORCED UNDERGROUND
Children exploited in Thailand's commercial sex trade are often trafficking victims from Thailand's impoverished North (sold wittingly or unwittingly into prostitution) or from surrounding countries of Burma, Laos, Cambodia, and regions in China. Children in tribal and refugee communities are at special risk of becoming trafficking victims and child prostitutes because of their lack of citizenship rights, and the relative ease in which they can be exploited.
Other children, like those that Graham Tardif of the NGO, World Vision, works to rehabilitate, are street children that independently elect to work as prostitutes. These children will often mask their sex work by selling other items on the street, but will engage in activities when approached, he says.
Child sex tourists most often come from Western European countries and Australia, though there are an increasing number coming from Russia and East Asian countries, Burnett says.
Among the Asian tourists are "virgin seekers," or men, usually from China and Taiwan, that are less interested in having sex with children than they are in having unprotected sex with girls that they can be certain are STD-free. The practise is particularly common in Cambodia, though Ferran says it is also happening in Thailand's northern provinces and along the Cambodian border.
This experience almost invariably marks a girl's initiation into the sex trade, and while Ferran notes that the virgins are sometimes over 18, this is exceptional and in general the demand for virgins is leading to younger and younger prostitutes.
Even so, "In Thailand it is more difficult than before if you are looking for 12 or 13-year-olds," Ferran says. "Especially if you are coming in as a tourist without speaking the language, and not knowing the areas, it's not a given that you'll find places where a child is made available for sexual exploitation."
Tardif echoes this, saying that because of past years' brothel raids and the strengthening of Thai law enforcement, most of Thailand's child prostitution has been forced underground.
Instead, Ferran explains child sex crimes are more likely committed by resident foreign paedophiles, like Karr, that move here and are often employed in education or childcare.
More often than that, child sex crimes are committed by natural citizens. Burnett notes that it is a minority of the country's child sex crimes that are committed by foreigners.
Not that this, or the many measures Thailand has taken to rid itself of child sex tourists and child prostitution, is making its reputation as a child sex destination any easier to shake.
The coverage of the Karr case has left Thailand, however unfairly, in its aftermath, looking pretty ugly to much of the world.
What is doubly disappointing is this publicity (aside from that it was brought on by an American paedophile that Thailand never asked for) is that it perpetuates an image that Thailand has spent much of the last 10 years trying to undo.
While the government and NGOs will keep pressing on with those efforts, they will be getting help from the tourism industry as well. Encouraged by "The Code," an initiative developed by ECPAT and UNICEF to promote a socially responsible tourism industry, a number of hotels and tourism companies have begun to train employees and adopt policies to become child-safe organisations. Ferran says there have been 230 signatories of "The Code" thus far, and that he expects that such policy will become a standard incorporation into hotel ratings in a couple of years.
Ferran adds that he senses a shift in the way the tourism industry handles such issues, and its nature as a whole.
"The customer is not always right anymore," he says. "And that's a good thing."
This is the first part of a series on child sex crime and tourism.
[QUOTE=PosterLion]
This is the first part of a series on child sex crime and tourism.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately the author implies an association between this site and child sex crime. I wish she would have dug a little deeper and noticed we are completely against any type of exploitation of children. We are not benign regarding this issue. We are 100%, cut their balls off, against this type of behavior.
P.S.
Hope Purple had a pleasant layover in BKK.
[QUOTE=Fox Two].....As it turned out, they checked me out, thought things were okay and brought out two girls. Neither girl was particularly attractive to me but I asked how much for the taller and skinnier of the two was. The guy in charge initially wanted 3000, I countered with 2000, and that got him down to 2700, which included barfine and the LT itself. Not much of a LT since it was already 4AM and told him so. We haggled some more, but I wasn’t really interested and more than a little on edge with 4 other guys standing around watching me. Eventually I just asked the cabbie to drive me back. As we left, one of the guys tried to get me to tip him for parking in the spot. I refused and asked him what he was talking about. I eyed the cabbie and the cabbie said something to this clown then waved him off. I asked the cabbie to drive me back to the hotel. At this point, I just wanted to get some rest and lay off hunting until I got some better advice from Giotto and other local fellow mongers.
More interesting encounters to follow…
....
[/QUOTE]Just a tip for newcomers to Thailand and other asian countries. Its not considered polite by the to bargain a price for something unless you actually want to buy. The reason isn't totally clear to me. "Fox Two" was O.K. because they never got the price he wanted. Fair enough. But once they agree to your price you are sort of expected to buy. If I was Fox Two, I probably wouldn't have risked showing any interest in the girls at all, regardless of how low the price was going to go, unless I had made up my mind that I wanted to buy.
Westerners are used to being able to ask the price with absolutely no intention of buying whatsoever. But asking the price in Thailand effectively implies that you want to buy. Otherwise why would you want to know the price? Some Thais will be annoyed if you don't make a counter offer to their price and continue bargaining.
Ye guys/fellas/blokes are looking at the Karr story all wrong. If you break it down into its constituent parts, it is very lazy journalism.
Erika Fry needed an opener and something that showed she was on the ball. ISG was perfect for that and the fact that Purple's "odd" request got a few replies on a lazy afternoon was interesting. So far so good. The comment about admin being a strict grammarian was only a filler in the context of the story. It would have been much more useful, in the context of the story, to make a few local phone calls in Bangkok or to talk to people in the know. So, as regards ISG, all we have is a weak opening.
As regards Karr, well he was in the news, so no kudos there. But why not interview hoteliers, cops etc to get the lowdown? Why not phone up Nana, Grace and/or a cop [bold] contact [/bold] or even go to Blooms where he stayed and get the scoop? Jesus, I could have given her the scoop for 5,000 baht. So far so weak.
Then she contacts ECPAT who are all over the Net, and UNICEF who are all over the world and place. That is very lazy journalism. Then World Vision get a major plug. Now, in the realm of arseholes, World Vision are the world's leaders. They have been given a lot of money (tens of millions) by George Bush to fight Aids in Africa and other places. But what they do is use that money to adopt kids to their fundamentalist brand of Christianity. THey are major scam artists and are known as such. World Vision should not be in that article at all as they have nothing to do with the issue. They are Johnny come latelys to it. Visit their web site which is a hard sell site.
Erika Fry could have phoned up the Bangkok Hilton to get facts and figures of foreign sex crimnals in jail. She could have phoned the Thai police to get facts and figures to see how many were arrested and/or deported for sex crimes. She could have done lots of things. Instead she did a very very lazy article. For shame Erika.
The article was cached here [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=500020&postcount=601[/url] I am sure it will end up being cached in news sites as well.
The only difference it might make to this site is a few more hits. Also, Erika, by her own admission, confuses several things. She links this site in with other web sites and says this one is relatively benign. Then she should write an article about websites (but do some legwork). She then spouts on about sex tourism and Karr but does not develop her theme except to talk to wankers from NGOs with no credibility. Two or more issues confused into one weak article. For shame Erika.
It is like confusing Everton FC with the Queen's corgis. Both are important but have little to do with each other. For shame Erika.
(nice name by the way)
Martians,
I agree with you that the journalism may be lazy, but I think that behind it lurks a much bigger threat against this forum and our common hobby. The majority of "decent people" consider P4P as either a harmless vice, something regrettable-but-unavoidable or, at most, something that one should do something about one day - but not now. The feminists and abolitionists know this. So, to land deep blows on the hobby they link it with something much more sinister. The "prostitution equals slavery" position is an old friend. And now an even more insidious "sex tourism equals child abuse" postulate seems to be gaining momentum. Presumarly, by tarring the hobby with the same brush, they hope to get overseas solicitation prohibited too?
I strongly commend Jackson for having removed the controversial photos and made it clear that he will tolerate no ambiguity about this issue. Otherwise ISG and my fellow US-based hobbyists might soon find themselves in the midst of a nasty controversy.
Callers to mobile phones now should start dialling "08", followed by the existing eight-digit number, as the new national numbering plan takes effect today.
Fixed-line telephone numbers remain the same.
For example, mobile phone numbers that start with "01" should be switched to an "081" prefix. The number (01) 234 5678 becomes (081) 234 5678.
Callers from abroad will have to add "8" after Thailand's "66" country code. For example, +668-1234 5678 would replace +66-1234 5678.
However, callers have until November 30 to get used to the new cellular dialling scheme. From December 1, only the 10-digit mobile-phone numbers will be valid.
All mobile-phone operators are now offering a free service at shops nationwide to convert numbers stored in handsets to the 10-digit format, regardless of the customer's service operator.
They will also send teams to busy shopping areas, such at Victory Monument and Silom as well as the offices of their customers to offer the conversion service.
Users also have to reconfigure the code of the short message function in their devices, which they can do by themselves or at operators' shops, to enable them to send and receive short messages. But they have a grace period until March 30.
Sigve Brekke, CEO of Total Access Communication (DTAC), said he would join more than 300 of his employees in spending the day in the Silom, Sathorn and Victory Monument areas to help people update their numbers.
The numbering plan aims to increase the total of phone numbers to 300 million from the present 90 million, which is expected to be enough to serve surging demand for 30 years.
Cellular-service providers have spent a combined Bt400 million upgrading their systems to comply with the new numbering plan.
The National Telecommunications Commission spent Bt30 million to publicise its new policy.
Reported in The Nation
[QUOTE=Paulothai]Diyexplorer,
Thank you for this very important information.
I do not understand when you say "only 10-digit" as you give
an example "+668-1234 5678" with 11-digit ??[/QUOTE]
His example is a little confusing isn't it. Just to clarify in what is called national format mobile numbers are 10 digit, inlcuding the leading 0. In full international format with country code, sans leading 0 it is 11 digit, Eg:
National 081 234 5678
Full International 66 81 234 5678
Landlines still remian as 9 digit in national format and 10 in international format.
I know this is not a mongering question, however, it is a question for fellow mongerers who like to fish more than just thai pussy. Anyone fish at Bungsam Lan in BKK. You can PM me any info and not take up this valuable space. Many thanks.
Just thought I'd check, though I think there no working Viet girl in Thailand, but maybe someone come across.
[QUOTE=Praise The Loard]Just thought I'd check, though I think there no working Viet girl in Thailand, but maybe someone come across.[/QUOTE]
Thailand is a big country so dont know where in LOS you are referring to?
BKK do have some Viet gals as I've seen them(never many) in some of the MPs but not SW or FL.
Haven't come across any in Pattaya and CM--usually have Thai, Laos and cambo.
Better chance of finding Viets near the Cambodian border towns.
In general, if you are only looking for Viet gals, LOS is the wrong country for you.
PT
Gentlemen,
Lets go a little further with the clarification if I'm in the U.S. and I've been calling a mobile number for example. 011-66-9-123-4567 is the new format now to be 011-66-89-123-4567?
Thanks,LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentlemen,
Lets go a little further with the clarification if I'm in the U.S. and I've been calling a mobile number for example. 011-66-9-123-4567 is the new format now to be 011-66-89-123-4567?
Thanks,LBM[/QUOTE]
Yup, you got that right.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentlemen,
Lets go a little further with the clarification if I'm in the U.S. and I've been calling a mobile number for example. 011-66-9-123-4567 is the new format now to be 011-66-89-123-4567?
Thanks,LBM[/QUOTE]
LBM, you BESTARD, that is my Mia Noi's private number. How dare you?
[QUOTE=Praise The Loard]Just thought I'd check, though I think there no working Viet girl in Thailand, but maybe someone come across.[/QUOTE]
I've met some in Galighers on Suk Soi 5
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I've met some in Galighers on Suk Soi 5[/QUOTE]May I guess that you meant Gulliver's?
[QUOTE=Tiger 1]May I guess that you meant Gulliver's?[/QUOTE]
Yes, Gulliver's. Galigher's is another place, but no Viet girls there. Thank you.
Hello Priamus,
There are some very effective responses to the "prostitution is slavery" claim.
The first is a number of books released recently written by current or former prostitutes which show very clearly that they were not slaves, they made conscious decisions to get into the business, and they continued of their own free choice. Most became quite wealthy, if they did not get into the drugs system.
The second is that by definition, a slave is a person who has no choice, and receives no payment for their efforts. This is clearly not the reality.
However, when it comes to the slave trade industry, my response is "find them and hang them publicly". This has generally shut the protagonists up, because they are also against all forms of capital punishment.
Best wishes, keep at it,
Pirate Pete
Pete you ignore the 2 sides of the coin - there IS slavery in some locations but in an "open" location, it's not likely - where the ladies can go off and about, it's a matter of "choice"
[QUOTE=Piratepete]Hello Priamus,
The second is that by definition, a slave is a person who has no choice, and receives no payment for their efforts. This is clearly not the reality.
Pirate Pete[/QUOTE]
Yes, Slavery it does exist in LOS as I've seen it 1st hand. Was not looking for it so Not intentional as the tuk tuk took me to a small house just outside of BKK when I told him looking for *****houses . There were thuggy men at the door/gate with knives--thought I was going to be rob by them, but not the case. Walked me inside and there were no Fishbowl or lineup, walk me into each room (about 5-6 I think) and in each were young gals CHAINED to the bed--to prevent escape. It was depressing to see and really turned off by this so left (wasnt sure if they were still going to rob me on the way out as I didnt take a gal). I ask driver later if gals were allowed outside and he said some have not seen the outside for years!!!--yes , there is slavery in the modern world.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Yes, Slavery it does exist in LOS ... and in each were young gals CHAINED to the bed--to prevent escape.... some have not seen the outside for years!!!--yes , there is slavery in the modern world.
PT[/QUOTE]
Did you do anything about this? Report it to the police or someone. Wouldnt the Thai police put a stop to this? I dont know. It sounds terrible. I would have a hard time seeing something like this and not trying to affect an end to it.
Regards Horatio
[QUOTE=Horatio]Did you do anything about this? Report it to the police or someone. Wouldnt the Thai police put a stop to this? I dont know. It sounds terrible. I would have a hard time seeing something like this and not trying to affect an end to it.
Regards Horatio[/QUOTE]
Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.
Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.
Try to affect an end to it????----Like it or not, its part of the Thai society we will never see. I only accidentally saw one house but there are thousands of them all over Thailand as gals are often "sold" to sex slavers by their own family for money and drugs and many others are kidnapped, never to be seen again. We may find all this depressing but its all normal and accepted business for the local men as they use these houses all the time, They are the main and only customers.
It's the Dark Side of P4P.
Before you become a hero and "try to affect an end to this" in another country. Think about what you are asking as sex slavery exist in your own countries.--just pick up a newspaper and once in a while you'll read about so and so sex traffikers caught in so and so cities at home. We cant even clean up our own act, how can we possible clean up the rest of the world.
PT
1-BAll,
sorry was only trying to clarify an answer! didn't think anyone would notice!
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Gentlemen,
Lets go a little further with the clarification if I'm in the U.S. and I've been calling a mobile number for example. 011-66-9-123-4567 is the new format now to be 011-66-89-123-4567?
Thanks,LBM[/QUOTE]
LBM,
absolutely correct, but the new numbers aren't in effect by today.
I am calling LOS on a daily basis and neither DTAC nor 1-2-call have changed to the new system so far. I assume they will do so in Nov.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.
Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.
[/QUOTE]
Phantomtiger,
yes you can do anything about it. Please don't get me wrong, I don't blame you but you should have reported it to police, no matter what you think. It's correct that local police often collects bribes, but there are special units which try to crack down on it.
Maybe you should have tried to remember the name of the Soi, any street close by, a landmark or simply the licence plate of the tuk tuk that brought you there. If you don't dare to get involved, pass that info to me via PM. I have a couple of police friends, some are CID and they will do what is necessary to find the girls, free them and get those guys behind it.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Phantomtiger,
yes you can do anything about it. Please don't get me wrong, I don't blame you but you should have reported it to police, no matter what you think. It's correct that local police often collects bribes, but there are special units which try to crack down on it.
Maybe you should have tried to remember the name of the Soi, any street close by, a landmark or simply the licence plate of the tuk tuk that brought you there. If you don't dare to get involved, pass that info to me via PM. I have a couple of police friends, some are CID and they will do what is necessary to find the girls, free them and get those guys behind it.[/QUOTE]This whole thread is shocking. I think we on this forum consider ourselves as reasonable men who pay for consenting sex- or get it for free if you are that good. We should do anything and everything we can to stamp out sex slavery, ie we should report it. If there are no trusted sources, use this forum, as we have already seen, there are people here with contacts. Well done for highlighting it, and let's get these scum bags behind bars.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]LBM,
absolutely correct, but the new numbers aren't in effect by today.
I am calling LOS on a daily basis and neither DTAC nor 1-2-call have changed to the new system so far. I assume they will do so in Nov.[/QUOTE]TT,
Not correct, as of yesterday I couldn't my girlfriend any longer without adding the 8.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Can I do anything about this?---No, I couldnt even find the place if I tried.
Did this bother me to witness all this in person?--Yes, I'm not a heartless thug.
Will the police stop this?---No way, From what I had heard afterwards, the police is ALWAYS in on this. They all know about these places and are often paid "protection money=bribes" and use police resourses to track down and return girls that runs away.
Try to affect an end to it????----Like it or not, its part of the Thai society we will never see. I only accidentally saw one house but there are thousands of them all over Thailand as gals are often "sold" to sex slavers by their own family for money and drugs and many others are kidnapped, never to be seen again. We may find all this depressing but its all normal and accepted business for the local men as they use these houses all the time, They are the main and only customers.
It's the Dark Side of P4P.
Before you become a hero and "try to affect an end to this" in another country. Think about what you are asking as sex slavery exist in your own countries.--just pick up a newspaper and once in a while you'll read about so and so sex traffikers caught in so and so cities at home. We cant even clean up our own act, how can we possible clean up the rest of the world.
PT[/QUOTE]A search of the internet will show that sex slavery occurrs all over the world. e.g. UK, USA, Australia, Dubai, just to name a few.
The girls often can't escape because they are illegal immigrants.
But I'm referring to any held against there will who wish to get out.
I remeber a big raid on a pace in Ranong a while back.
Many young girls freed.
I hope the "thousands" of places is a massive exaggeration.
Naturally any known places in Thailand should be exposed to both police and media to ensure something is done. We can always find non-corrupt people somewhere. So information must be given to multiple recipients.
Its hard to imagine the locations staying secret for long with all the modern day GPS equipment available.
Cannot be justified by just saying that corruption exists.
Freedom is supposed to basic human right.
[url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php[/url]
Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"
[QUOTE=Dinghy][url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php[/url]
Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"[/QUOTE]
But is does not affect most of the frequent visitors coming to Thailand for mongering. It only affects the ones who more or less in fact are residents here and just don't go the officiell way. These also don't pay taxes on their hidden business etc.
So I can't see any bad thing in that. There are the same rules e.g. for Japan. There it is not allowed to stay in the country for more then 90 days in a year without beeing registered. And the 90 Days count as collective, however often you enter and go out.
So probably the new Thai rule with 3 entries needs some time limitation.
But the new rules only cause some inconvenience for the ones using this obvious leak of immigration regulations. Some simply need to register.
regards
Brain666
Check out the Thai dancers on [url]http://sexicuties.********.com[/url]
[QUOTE=Dinghy][url]http://www.bangkokpost.com/News/10Sep2006_news04.php[/url]
Thailand intends to stop the "permanent visa on arrival"[/QUOTE]
Personally, I think this is a good thing and too long in coming.
There are too many people doing this visa run thing and circumnavigating the law. Given the hoops those of us who are legit have to go through to get proper visas, work permits and pay taxes, these guys who are living here on the margins, essentially for free deserve to be sent packing, if they don't get a proper visa to stay here for whatever reason they are living here. I know of many Farang who are doing business in Pattaya or upcountry, teaching English illegally, running various online businesses, including doing online trading; all earning money while living in Thailand, but doing so on essentially a tourist visa and without paying taxes. The law is if you are a resident for more than 6 months, you are required to get a TIN tax number and pay taxes.
Given the huge amount of taxes I pay (at least compared to your average Thai), I want to see these guys either brought to account or thrown out of the country.
[QUOTE=1Ball]trav, I am sure Giotto, Piper, T1234, Vandalnn, Juice, Duni, OTH, Brain, Chalky, and a slew of others will join me in offering our most hearltfelt and humble apologies to you.
You are right, I am wrong, as are all the others, so let's just agree to disagree.
ROFLMAO.[/QUOTE]
1ball,
fine that you finally see the truth :)
But I wonder how you can speak for all the others you mentioned. You named at least two members I stay in contact with via PM who do not necessarily share your point of view. Better only speak for yourself and don't try to pretend to have their support. Or do you feel lost without it ?
They will speak for themselves if they want to.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
I hope the "thousands" of places is a massive exaggeration.
Its hard to imagine the locations staying secret for long with all the modern day GPS equipment available.
Cannot be justified by just saying that corruption exists.
Freedom is supposed to basic human right.[/QUOTE]
Thailand is a big place and as almost every town and city in LOS may have these places, who really knows but thousands may not be an exaggeration (but exact count will never be known). The tuk tuk originally took me to over 5 places but I was simple not let in as I was not a Local, only the last one let me in for a look. So that was already about 6 places in only 45 mins time with just ONE driver.
As I pointed out, the locations of these places are NOT secret. It is only a secret to us foreigners as we are not intended to use them so we are never told about them. Most local Thai men who also monger will know them. Its a matter of economics. Local Thais all over the country cant go mongering to places we do as its too expensive for them (700-1500b for a gal is not much for us but it could be a week salary for them) so they use their own local mongering places on the cheap and nothing cheaper than slave labor.
Corruption is just one of the problems why these places will never go away as they are "protected". Yes, I'm sure raids are done when reporters/NGO get word of locations, but as reported , local police already know of them and do nothing as its often extra income for them to remain silent. The other problems have to do with social acceptence of these places by all the locals so they wont reported it as its their only mongering holes they can afford.
Just try to remember Prostitution is actually illegal in LOS and none of us foreign mongers will insist to the govt and police to shut all the MPs, go-go, beer bars, SW etc. that we all love. So we have our own places and locals have theirs. We may not like it but sure its been going on long time, way before we started mongering.
Finally, basic human rights sounds great on paper but its still a dream worldwide. Many civilized countries and govts still detain and torture people for just speaking out or just being in the wrong places etc. So in many places, the lack of basic rights is accepted as normal. We can only look outward and realize no matter how badly we think of our own countries, it's not so bad afterall.---IMO
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Its a matter of economics. Local Thais all over the country cant go mongering to places we do as its too expensive for them
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This is not the reason. It's a matter of taste. Lots of Thai men have money and still wouldn't go to the places you guys monger at because they consider the women at places like Nana, Soi Cowboy and Pattaya, etc. to be butt-ugly.
There is a whole Thai go-go bar scene, for example that caters to them and it's almost the same cost, if not more expensive than it is at Nana. It's simply that the girls are white-skinned and beautiful, as opposed to what you find in the Farang-oriented P4P scene.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]. It's a matter of taste. Lots of Thai men have money and still wouldn't go to the places you guys monger at because they consider the women at places like Nana, Soi Cowboy and Pattaya, etc. to be butt-ugly.
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Yes, I do agree on this as I've met a few Thai men that were on levels with our Western standards of living. I met them mostly waiting at MPs and started chatting while we waited for the gals. They were paying the same 1800-2000b/session and wanted only fair skin gals to come out. But, most of these higher class Thais are only in the bigger cities (ex: BKK)
So just to clarify: The locals I was refering to on my post are the poorer, everyday workers all over the country (ex; construction workers, farmers, everyday laborers etc making perhaps 150-250b/day working 10 hrs/day.) They cant afford any of the venues we all visit, but can have the "slave brothel" as an option in their local towns/cities etc..
The one slave place I was let into only quoted me 100b for 1 hour.--I couldnt believe the price at first so I had repeated it and he said "chai=yes". And I assume this is already the mark up price for an outside foreigner so local men get even cheaper prices. Therefore, like I said, its something cheap enough for local Thai mongers to indulge. But even with the cheap price (less than $3) I was so totally turned off by what I saw that I didnt want any part of it.
BTW: I should have included a disclaimer as I'm NO expert in this matter( nor do I want to be) but just reporting what I've seen for myself and what others have told me when I inquired about this whole "underground trade" out of curiousity when all this happened to me.
Peace all
PT
I spoke to Coma Boy about 2 months ago. He told me he had grown tired of ISG, the bickering, and found the whole thing pointless.
He and I however will probably hook up for a drink in 3 weeks. I will tell him you all say hello.
(OMG, I hope this is considered to be real info. I would hate to be given 40 lashes for posting worthless banter).
Oh, who cares.............cucumbers, towel holders, Jacuzzis, dungeons, hahahahahaha (maniacal laugh).
Is it Ok to talk abt cucumbers in this thread? (Rhetorical question....)
Hey guys,
Those of you who have read my postings( probably in the China thread) will know that I am doing a degree in nursing here in OZ. One of my modules is something called health sociology- and it is pure shite, but I need help with an assigenment:
This stuff is all about how society influences people's actions etc, and I am interested in how governments promote health awareness, particularly sex health awareness. I am posting this on many sites, including here, where it is obvious that condom use should be as much a part of Thai life as prostitution is, given the government condones it. I have RTFF and know that western- style condoms are hard to get, impossible to get, and/or very expensive, but how much so? Not all Thai men can have small dicks, and the young guys especially must be very sexually active, given the gorgeous Thai girls I have seen, so does the government allow the sale of cheap, decent sized, themed ( liked ribbed, flavoured) condoms, etc, or not? Especially ex pats, how do yuo get your man-sized condoms?
Please guys, a price, if they are available would be good. I'll not quote you as references in the bibliography, but this would be a really good angle. Before 18 Oct please, as assignment is due in by 20 Oct.
Thanks guys
Pete
[QUOTE=Petemcc]
I have RTFF and know that western- style condoms are hard to get, impossible to get, and/or very expensive, but how much so?
[/QUOTE]
Pete,
if you have really RTFF you should know that western-style condoms (Durex) are easy to get at any 7/11 and other supermarkets like Tops etc. all over the country. A package contains 3 pieces and will cost between 35-50 baht. Several sizes are available 49, 52 and 54, flavoured (mostly strawberry) and others.
Several years ago (in the 1980's) condoms were heavily advertised by Senator Mechai Viravaidya, also called Mr. Condom, and given out for free.
[blue]Greetings Everyone,
As it has become increasingly obvious that a small number (one?) of Forum Members just can't observe the basic rules of civility that I have developed for everyone's benefit, I have decided to place the Thailand Forum under the "No Crosstalk" restrictions. Effective immediately, any report that directly addresses another Forum Member by name or reference will be deleted without comment.
If you feel that you need to exchange comments directly with another Forum Member, then do so in the designated Fight Club so that the rest of us can you and return to the purpose of this forum, which is:
"The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex."
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
I do not know whether anyone else had posted this in the forum, but I think this info is important and this is the only thread that I think is appropriate for such news.
PHUKET: -- The Royal Thai Consulate in neighboring Penang, Malaysia, has stopped issuing double-entry tourist visas for Thailand. The only tourist visa currently available there is a 60-day single-entry one.
An official at the consulate this afternoon told the Gazette that Consul Pramote Pramoonsab had issued an order to cease issuance of double-entry tourist visas.
Other visa categories are unaffected by the order, the official added.
The Royal Thai Consulate in Kota Bharu and the Royal Thai Embassy in Kuala Lumpur are, for the time being, still issuing double-entry tourist visas.
Fareeda Chewae of the Royal Thai Embassy in Kuala Lumpur warned that this may change in the near future, however.
The Gazette contacted the consulates following the news that from October 1 Thai Immigration will limit to three the number of visas on arrival it s officers will issue at Immigration checkpoints in Thailand.
To cope with the new policy, many long-stay “tourists” who currently do ‘visa runs’ every month are looking for alternative ways to spend more than three months with their families or friends in Thailand. As a possible short term solution to the problem, some foreigners had been contemplating short trips to Penang where they would obtain multiple-entry tourist visas that would not go against their limit of three visas “on arrival [in Thailand]”.
The chiefs of all Immigration offices will meet in Bangkok tomorrow to discuss the details of the new Immigration policy, after which they will make a much-awaited statement.
While intended as a crackdown measure on foreigners working illegally in the county, the policy has created widespread concern across broad segments of the foreign community in Phuket, particularly among the large numbers who do not work and have no interest in working.
Perceived correctly or incorrectly as a move to discourage foreigners from spending much time here, the new policy has alarmed local residents, both Thai and foreign, about the future of Thailand’s all-important tourism and property development industries.
--Phuket Gazette 2006-09-14
BANGKOK: -- Thai Airways International (THAI) is ready to begin commercial operations at Suvarnabhumi Airport on Friday.
“Everything is now ready to serve passengers,” said Mano Sapayanon, Director of THAI’s Ground Services Support Department.
The first commercial flight out of the new airport will be TG 8860, a Boeing 737-400, from Bangkok to Phitsanulok at 6.30 AM.
On Saturday, some of THAI’s flights between the capital and Chiangmai and Ubon Ratchathani will also begin operating at Suvarnabhumi. Passengers are advised to check their tickets in advance and plan accordingly.
An “NBK” code on a ticket means that the flight is at Suvarnabhumi Airport, while “BKK” is at Bangkok International Airport (Don Muang).
When arriving at the new airport, Mano said passengers should go to island number 2 at the west end of the departure hall where the airline’s domestic check-in counters are located. After receiving a boarding pass, passengers will proceed to either concourse A or B where the domestic departure gates are situated.
THAI will begin servicing six daily flights between Suvarnabhumi Airport and Phitsanulok, while low cost carrier Jetstar will operate six of their own flights between Bangkok and Singapore from the new airport.
To provide the best service to both domestic and international passengers, Airports of Thailand Plc. will assign staff to provide information at the terminal.
Inquiries can also be made at the airport’s Call Centre at (02) 132 – 1888, which will have 24-hour service starting Friday.
--TNA 2006-09-14
Guys,
I am looking to take a trip to thailand around March/April when I get back from Iraq. It may just be me or 1 or 2 other guys. What should we do to enjoy our time and the women? Whats the best area/hotel/clubs to go to? Does any one know about this place? [url]http://www.clubfantasyformen.com/en/executive.php[/url] ? Thanks for the help.
I hope its ok to answer this question, if not then I'm sure Jackson will delete it.
Bolongo,
You landed in the Thailand thread to ask about Brazil, try posting your question in the Brazil thread.
[QUOTE=Bolongo]Guys,
I am looking to take a trip to Brazil around March/April when I get back from Iraq. It may just be me or 1 or 2 other guys. What should we do to enjoy our time and the women? Whats the best area/hotel/clubs to go to? Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I edited it. Thanks for the catch.
My link to Coma Boy's excellent blog somehow ended up in the Fight Club thread after Jackson's recent cull. The blog is very on-topic and, I'm sure, of interest to many readers of the Thai section. So I'm re-posting the link:
[url]http://morallydiminished.********.com/[/url]
[size=-2]Coma, if you're reading this, when do I get my cheque?[/size]
My ex-wife (american) loved me licking and sucking on her toes.
I know Thai's consider the foot dirty.
Does this apply to the little piggies as well?
I'd hate to offend my future ex-wife.
Here we go! Thailand tightens visa regulation starting 01.10.2006!
[URL]http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/breakingnews.php?id=112925[/URL]
Giotto
[QUOTE=Rebad]My ex-wife (american) loved me licking and sucking on her toes.
I know Thai's consider the foot dirty.
Does this apply to the little piggies as well?
I'd hate to offend my future ex-wife.[/QUOTE]
Depends on the girl. A girl fresh from Issan might be offended; but ,my Thai G.F. loves it.
Yo bros,
Landed at the dreamland yesterday.
Bloody waited almost an hour at the immigrantion queue.
They had to take pics off everysingle one. Damn.
Anyway.
Headed off to Beirgarden Soi 7 for some action last nite.
80baht for a beer. Not bad.
And you can chat with any girls around you. For that price.
Can't complain.
Met some new frens "farangs" haha at the bar, and they showed me around. Ended up at a dance party. Don know the name. As I was so bloody drunk already. Couldn't careless.
Anyhow. Was dancing with some young 19 year old student. She still has a dental "braces" on her teeth. Thats how young she is. Was touching all ova her. I forgot what happened. I was so drunk. Forgot my intention was to get them LAID. Haha. This is my lesson. NEVER GET DRUNK.
I ended up on the street till 6. 30am in the morning.
A pretty chic woke me up. She is an ANGEL. I'll say she is around early 20s. So I offer to drop her home by taxi. And took her no. So I'm gonna date her out tonite! Haha Thai ppl are very friendly.
Not every chics are $$$ hungry. If they are having a good time with you, I don't think $$$ is the major concern.
Come on, couple of thousand baht, it doesn't hurt. Does it? Haha
[QUOTE=Bolongo]Guys,
I am looking to take a trip to thailand around March/April when I get back from Iraq. It may just be me or 1 or 2 other guys. What should we do to enjoy our time and the women? Whats the best area/hotel/clubs to go to? Does any one know about this place? [url]http://www.clubfantasyformen.com/en/executive.php[/url] ? Thanks for the help.[/QUOTE]Hi Guys,
Personaly I recommend you just forget this club they just ripp you off. ENJOY FREE STAY IN THAILAND AND MAY USE EDEN AND OTHER AND ALL THE FREELANCE in every corner.
recently, the planets aligned (pluto was even in line) and i found myself with some free time. i booked a ticket to bangkok and began reading this and other boards more thoroughly. on several occasions, i was tempted to post a question online, but seeing as how that’s rightly frowned upon, i instead kept digging further back in the forums for my answers. while some of the chitchat between the regulars proved tedious, i was able to find answers to most of my questions and by the time my plane touched down at bkk, i was ready.
the walk through immigration and customs was quick and uneventful. as promised, i found the taxi booth just outside the arrivals area. showed the attendant the address of the town lodge on sukhumvit soi 18 and got into an appointed cab. “meter please, toll way okay.” seconds later we were racing towards sukhumvit at 140kph – two tolls at 20 and 40 baht respectively. the plane landed about 11:15pm and i was in my hotel room by midnight.
i liked what i’d read about the town lodge both from reviews on this as well as on one other site. with high hopes for the jacuzzi suite, were i to come even remotely close to reliving some of [post=503329]evil’s exploits[/post], i would have considered the trip an ultimate success. unfortunately though, my stay here was probably the most disappointing part of the whole trip. the construction surrounding the hotel began at 6 am and didn’t end until well into early evening, making any attempts at sound sleep nearly impossible. the air conditioning unit in my room wasn’t working properly, the jacuzzi’s drain wouldn’t plug and the showerhead broke twice. maybe i had an atypically bad room or maybe pluto was falling out of line, protesting its demotion as a planet? i changed rooms on the second day and hotels on the third day.
back to the first night. i was pretty tired but very excited about my options. i considered stopping at either nana or cowboy, but instead headed over to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s. someone in an earlier post mentioned that these women know what they are doing and take pride in their jobs. i can definitely confirm that they know what they are doing. i have had my share of blowjobs but this was hands down the best blowjob i have had! halfway through, while the tip of my cock was massaging nam’s tonsils, i had my own serendipitous moment of confirmation, realizing as so many of you have, why we come here. by the time i was leaving, the girls were coming inside and closing shop. total damage including a drink and a modest tip, was about 750b. throughout the rest of my stay in thailand, i visited [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s again both in bangkok as well as in pattaya, i am sad to say that, while above average, none of the consequent visits rivaled nam’s first-night performance.
on the way back to the hotel, my body was demanding a massage. no shortage of massage parlors in this city. one hour traditional thai massage, half a block from the hotel was 200b. she offered to massage ‘everything’ for an additional 500b but i passed. stopped by the hotel bar for a beer, no one else there, so i headed to my room looking forward to a nice, long and rejuvenating night of sleep. the bulldozers started up at 6 am!
breakfast on day two was pretty standard, no buffet, but the girl at the front desk did scramble some eggs for me. later that morning, i went for a walk, down to nana across suk and back again to soi 31. i walked down 31 for about 15 minutes looking for any sign of livingstone’s. no giotto, no lodge and no dead artists. i was pretty tired, sweaty and hot. so i headed back to the hotel where after checking my notes i kicked myself. the lodge is on soi 33 and not 31. more on livingstone’s lodge later.
after a bit of rest, i decided to look up giotto’s thorough massage parlor report. i didn’t want to walk too far, so i headed over to the korean style sazanka massage off soi 22. his description of the joint is pretty dead on so i won’t go into too many details. i took the two hour complete package. while the whole salt slap and hot towel wrap experience was interesting, i don’t think i’ll repeat should opportunity presents itself. her name was nana and total damage for two hours of skin scrubbing, back walking, hard massage, happy ending, a drink and a tip was around 1500b. some lunch and back to the hotel for a battle of wills between me and the bulldozers.
patpong has certainly received mixed reviews. most recent articles i found on the place were negative and cautioned against the hawkers and the upstairs bars. but the place is legendary and i didn’t feel right ignoring it. on sukhumvit i flagged down a cab and asked for patpong, the driver chuckled and gave me an all knowing smile. about ten minutes later he dropped me off on suriwong road in front of patpong soi 1. the meter was just shy of 50 baht. as far as people watching goes, this place beats nana and cowboy hands down. i found the juxtaposition of dismayed middle aged men, with their families in tow, checking out the street market while at the same time being propositioned by the countless hawkers and girls, well… amusing.
walked around for a bit, took a drink at one of the bars, i think it was kings corner. a handful of lookers but the vibe was a little off. i headed for silom to look for a cab back. someone in a previous report had alluded to some organized groups controlling the cabs. i couldn’t find a ride back to sukhumvit for less than 100b, most offers were for about 200b and none of the fine taxi drivers were willing to use their meters. luckily, the bts station sala daeng was about a block down the road. congratulations to bangkok for such a comfortable, easy to navigate and efficient sky train system. 15 minutes, 25b and one transfer later, i was at asoke station.
took a walk through cowboy and after checking out a couple of the bars, i negotiated a night’s worth of activities with a decent looking spinner. on the way back to the hotel we were both hungry. town lodge doesn’t have room service or a restaurant nearby. halfway down soi 18 on the left side though, is the rembrandt hotel, a luxury 4 or 5-star type hotel. one of their restaurants was open so in we went. duniawala’s [post=498670]hotels' database[/post] has no notes about the girl friendliness of this hotel, but we walked past several uniformed hotel staff on our way to the upstairs restaurant with nary a stray look. (for the same database, i might recommend a star-rating of 3 for the town lodge.) we had a nice dinner with a couple of drinks for about 1500b. at a nearby table, some rather impatient south asian guests made asses of themselves by treating the poor wait staff like lower caste folk. back at the hotel, an average night of sex was had and a pleasant goodbye in the morning as well. total damage (bar fine included) was about 2500b.
day three. finding a ride to pattaya and trying out another one of giotto’s reviewed massage establishments. after another too-early breakfast, i caught up on some work and then headed out to orchards just off soi 31. i guess i was a bit early and they had just opened, since there was only one girl there and she didn’t look ready yet. the reviews suggested an actual 90 minutes massage and an optional 30 minute testicles massage.
the gal, whose name i can’t recall, began the massage but after about fifteen minutes had my shorts off and was straddling me ready for action. i had actually hoped for a decent massage but her enthusiasm woke me up and what followed can best be described as an hour of raw sex. she was uncharacteristically wild and aggressive. not what i had anticipated but thoroughly enjoyable. damage – 300b for the 15 minute massage and 1000b for her. on the way out i noticed that the regular lineup of girls had arrived.
with the massage and the second morning round out of the way, all i had on the old agenda was finding a ride to pattaya and arranging accommodations for my return to bangkok. with the soi 31/33 confusion behind me, i set out for livingstone’s lodge to make the final arrangements. my first impressions and gut feeling for a place have rarely let me down, and my first impression of this place was very positive. i was warmly greeted by an absolutely stunning lady at the entryway out by soi 33 and escorted to the reservations desk. friendly, smiling and relaxed, the manager stopped at the reception desk to introduce himself and welcome me. he couldn’t have made a better first impression. within minutes, the room was reserved, the car to pattaya was hired and i was pool-side enjoying a late lunch.
the ride to pattaya took a little over 3 hours. future travelers will be wise not to leave during the afternoon rush hour. in pattaya, i checked into the queen victoria inn and was quickly greeted by the proprietor, vic. my room was clean, quiet and comfortable, though a bit cozy. the bar downstairs served as the reception for the hotel, gathering place for some of the local ex-pat community and proved to also provide a nice variety of delicious food at reasonable rates. vic himself provided a basic intro to pattaya and the different neighborhoods. the standard room at 600b came with ac, satellite tv, fridge and water but no telephone. incidentally, i picked up a pre-paid thai sim card early on in the trip for about 500 baht, used it quite a bit for mostly local calls but also an occasional call to the states and i still have some time remaining on it.
what can i say about pattaya that hasn’t already been said? my first impression as the taxi turned on soi 6 to drop me off at the hotel was akin to my first visit to las vegas, or the first time i remember going to a theme park – like a kid in a candy shop. this street and many others nearby are packed with a number of short-time parlors with the ladies standing outside and enticing passersby to join them inside.
a note about soi 6 and some of the other sois close by, as martians has so eloquently alluded to in some of his previous posts, is the abundance of katoey bars. reading all the posts describing run-ins with the lady boys, i never felt i would mistake a guy for a girl, no matter how well costumed. that first night, as i was walking down soi 6 towards the beach i decided to stop at one of the beer bars to have a drink. they all looked so good, too good really. (s)he sat next to me as i ordered a drink. at the 2 minute mark i began having suspicions and at the 4 minute mark i was convinced. at the 5 minute mark i was out of there.
pattaya was wonderful. i spent the days relaxing on the beach, getting foot or traditional thai massages, napping and mourning steve irwin. at nights, i would find a woman and fuck her silly. i can’t understand the people who write and ask all these questions about where to say and what to do. in pattaya, especially, the agenda is pretty easy to follow. for those with more time on their hands the city offers a variety of other more traditional pastimes such as bungee jumping, parasailing, fishing, etc. not really why i was there.
from its body sliding soapies, walking street go-gos and the many many many many beer bars pattaya offers a little (a lot) for any taste. the only thing i will recommend against is the dream teen massage on soi 21 of soi bua khao. their website advertised a balls massage and seeing as how my last attempt did not actually produce an adequate massage, i decided to give the whole balls massage another go. in readings before my trip, i had come across the term balls massage or testicle massage but couldn’t find an adequate description. so any other newbies searching for ‘balls massages’, it’s nothing more than a glorified pre-hand job. the girl gives you a massage, oily or traditional or whatever you’ve asked for then starts tickling your balls and arousing you. with dick in hand she then asks if you want the special. at this joint, i was offered 500b for a hand job, 1000b for a blow and 2000b for ‘boom-boom’. i call it a pre-hand job since it stops if you refuse the extras. i bargained her down to 650 for a blow with a promise of another 100 if she was really good. she wasn’t. on the way out, i thought i heard her call me a charlie. i don’t think i was and frankly at that point couldn’t have cared less. i was just happy to be leaving. this place is also a little off the main circuit. it took me about 20 minutes to get there by foot.
as i sit here by the window of my room in the queen vic, typing this update, i count 42 women lining the street across from the hotel on soi 6, at their respective short-time bars. a couple of them see me in the window and yell out my room number. what a life they lead.
the ride back to bangkok was uneventful – 950b door-to-door, included tolls.
back at livingstone’s that evening, i checked into a nice room with a double jacuzzi. i called the front desk for a wake up call, which either never came or i slept right through. until this point, i had avoided nana but wanted to make up for lost time. i took the bts two stops to the nana station and stopped into several different bars finally settling on a nicely endowed northern beauty, mei from (i think it was) lollipop. back at the hotel, she rocked my world again and again. a jacuzzi was finally put to good use.
the next night, the lodge had a french maid’s theme party. it was suppose to start at 7 but at 7:30, aside from the maids there was no one else there. i decided to walk down a few blocks to akane’s fashion massage to see what all the fuss was about. i chose miki who proceeded to give me a very nice 30 minute foot massage, since the upstairs rooms were in use. later upstairs the routine was pretty much as has been described in this forum. i should say that while i didn’t see it, i certainly felt that she had a tongue cover of some sort. the experience all together was not as pleasurable as i had hoped, nevertheless, an average experience. the cost for an 80 minute fashion massage, which included some hardcore rimming, was about 1500b. miki earned her 200b tip.
by about 10, when i arrived back at the lodge, the party was in full swing – smart crowd, beautiful women and a good time. i need to find a job like yi ren, and base myself out of bangkok! that night and into the next afternoon, i was properly introduced to the world of threesomes. this was without doubt the highlight of the trip. round one from about midnight until 2, out to the street corner for the best tasting (and spiciest) thai food i’ve ever eaten, round two until about 3:30, after which we all passed out. those last 30-some hours, from the time of the party until my departure for the airport, i received better gfe-type attention from these two women than i’ve received from any other of my previous girlfriends. is this a sad statement on the state of my previous relationships or a compliment to the girls and their skills? i don’t want to think too much about the answer.
i had planned on spending my last day at the eden club, but seeing as how i had already found two hard-working and eager friends with near-perfect chemistry, i passed on the club. in all honesty, i am not sure if i had any energy left for the eden treatment anyway. next trip, it’s sure to be one of the first stops.
3 am –a warm good-bye and on to the airport for my very early flight back to reality.
a final note about livingstone’s lodge, although i had my hesitations about the place prior to arrival, i will stay no where else on my next trip to bangkok. outside of the maybe-missed wake up call that first night i could find no fault with my stay there. the staff was professional, relaxed and accommodating. the management was welcoming and friendly. the women, at least the two i got to know a little better, were fantastic!
[size=-2][b][u]editor's note[/u]:[/b] [blue]i certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the reports of distinction thread. please [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/announcement-reportsofdistinction.php?]click here[/url] for more information.[/blue][/size]
[quote=isg not msg]...[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]’s....total damage including a drink and a modest tip, was about 750b........a final note about livingstone’s lodge, although i had my hesitations about the place prior to arrival, i will stay no where else on my next trip to bangkok. outside of the maybe-missed wake up call that first night i could find no fault with my stay there. the staff was professional, relaxed and accommodating. the management was welcoming and friendly. the women, at least the two i got to know a little better, were fantastic!.....[/quote]
excellent fr, very informative with a mix of info, very enjoyable read. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s was cheap though, did you drink tap water and tip the girl 'a modest' 20 baht :d the bj is 700 baht already !
have yet to hear from a serious brother that they haven't enjoyed a stay at g's place - still haven't made the maids party, my outfit is usually in the wash.
like your nick, for a new member you seem to have done very well not only in reading the threads but understanding them too !
[quote=meaty]excellent fr, very informative with a mix of info, very enjoyable read. [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s was cheap though, did you drink tap water and tip the girl 'a modest' 20 baht :d the bj is 700 baht already!
have yet to hear from a serious brother that they haven't enjoyed a stay at g's place - still haven't made the maids party, my outfit is usually in the wash.
like your nick, for a new member you seem to have done very well not only in reading the threads but understanding them too ![/quote]thanks for the nice feedback. i am glad the read was enjoyable. the write and the related 'research' were also quite enjoyable.
as for [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url]'s, i did drink water, and i think i tipped her 100b. it was late at night. i had just received the blowjob of my life and may have forgotten the exact damage. it was close to 700b though.
[QUOTE=Isg Not Msg]
Walked around for a bit, took a drink at one of the bars, I think it was Kings Corner. A handful of lookers but the vibe was a little off. I headed for Silom to look for a cab back. Someone in a previous report had alluded to some organized groups controlling the cabs. I couldn’t find a ride back to Sukhumvit for less than 100B, most offers were for about 200B and none of the fine taxi drivers were willing to use their meters. Luckily, the BTS station Sala Daeng was about a block down the road. Congratulations to Bangkok for such a comfortable, easy to navigate and efficient sky train system. 15 minutes, 25B and one transfer later, I was at Asoke station.[/QUOTE]Good report that one. Just two bits of advice. First with the taxi's in Patpong the best way I've found is to cross Silom and hail one on the corner near Soi Convent. Never had one not use a meter. The ones who seem to loiter are the ones who cause a bit a trouble and want a fixed price, but for some reason the other side no problems.
Also if you are going from Silom to Cowboy, you can also use the underground train. The station (think its called Silom) is about 150m futher down Silom, but a little closer when you get to Cowboy. The station there is called Sukumviut. Price is usually just a little higher, but no need to change at Siam and usually not as crowed as the BTS.
[blue]Greetings Everyone,
I have created a new thread titled "Thailand Politics" for discussing said subject.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=2526[/url]
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
The United States government will begin issuing passports with RFID (radio-frequency identification). If you don't have a passport and you anticipate traveling internationally in the next 10 years, get one NOW. If you have a passport and you anticipate traveling internationally in the next 10 years, get yours renewed NOW (whether there is time left on it or not).
The RFID passport stores an electronic copy of the passport holder's information, and it may store fingerprints and digital visas in the future. By itself, this is no problem. However, according to Bruce Schneier security expert) in an article through the Washington Post Service, "the RFID chips don't have to be plugged in to a [reading device] to operate. Like chips used for automatic toll collection on roads, these chips operate via proximity."
"This means that an RFID passport could be read without your knowledge or consent by a government trying to track your movements or, worse, by a criminal trying to steal your identity." Some safety precautions are being adjusted by the U.S. government stemming from complaints by experts. Such adjustments include shielded covers and access-control and encryption mechanisms. (quoted and paraphrased from Schneier's Washington Post article of September 21, 2006)
But experts say these changes don't go far enough to secure a passport holder's privacy. The RFID is in its infancy, and radio frequency technology is sure to out-pace the now feeble chip which will be placed in America passports starting at the end of this year. (ibid)
Security risks have already been demonstrated. One researcher found he "could identify individual chips via unique characteristics of the radio transmissions. Another researcher successfully cloned a chip."
Dismissed by the U.S. government as a "meaningless stunt," pointing out the researchers couldn't read or change the data. These security breaches were demonstrated after only two weeks of trying. (ibid)
The greatest risk to you is this: the RFID chip must last the lifetime of the passport (or 10 years of validity which ever comes first).
"Improvements in antenna technology will certainly increase the distance at which they can be read and might even allow unauthorized readers to penetrate the shielding." (ibid)
If you already have the RFID style passport, you can disable it by "popping [it] into a microwave...." Schneier reported that "the United States has said that a nonworking chip will not invalidate a passport." (ibid)
"The Colorado passport office is already issuing RFID passports, and the State Department expects all U.S. passport offices to be doing so by the end of the year." If you get a new passport now (from another passport office other than the Colorado office), 10 years can lapse and the technology can mature to better understand security risks. "You don't want to be a guinea pig on this one." (ibid)
Please pass this on to others whom you believe can benefit from the information.
[QUOTE=Carrick]The United States government will begin issuing passports with RFID (radio-frequency identification). If you don't have a passport and you anticipate traveling internationally in the next 10 years, get one NOW. If you have a passport and you anticipate traveling internationally in the next 10 years, get yours renewed NOW (whether there is time left on it or not).
"You don't want to be a guinea pig on this one." (ibid)
[/QUOTE]
I am confused. First you exhort all, to get the new RFID passports and in the same breath you point out all the pitfalls of having it. Do we/should we get new passports? As for me, I will wait another 9 years when my passport expires.
[QUOTE=Duniawala]I am confused. First you exhort all, to get the new RFID passports and in the same breath you point out all the pitfalls of having it. Do we/should we get new passports? As for me, I will wait another 9 years when my passport expires.[/QUOTE]
Duni,
I think he was saying to get new passports NOW - before the new system is in place. As for me, I have a microwave, and know how to use it! :)
Cheers,
-Y
Very nice post. Keep up the good work and go back asap.
El Greco
[QUOTE=Yi Ren]Duni,
I think he was saying to get new passports NOW - before the new system is in place. As for me, I have a microwave, and know how to use it! :)
Cheers,
-Y[/QUOTE]
Well, Duh!
How many times are you allowed to entry into Thailand I entered three times this year is that the limit?
Thank you for your help.
[QUOTE=Bigguy4469]How many times are you allowed to entry into Thailand I entered three times this year is that the limit?
Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]Never noticed any limit nor ever been concerned that there would be a limit. I have entered well over 3 times in a year.
You are limited to not too long at a time, but can keep leaving and entering.
Of course I assume you are not involved in illegal activities that would bring Customs interest.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]Never noticed any limit nor ever been concerned that there would be a limit. I have entered well over 3 times in a year.
You are limited to not too long at a time, but can keep leaving and entering.
Of course I assume you are not involved in illegal activities that would bring Customs interest.[/QUOTE]Thank you for yor help no illegal stuff just went once in Feb and then here in Sept, went to China for 4 days got bored and returned to Bkk, meet a couple of girls off asian friend finder and would like to return to see them again before the end of the year.
Thanks for your help. I will look into some plane tickets and prices.
Thai monks soothe angry spirits at new airport
BANGKOK (AFP) - The control tower is built and the luggage carousels are operating but one thing officials at Bangkok's new airport had not expected was the late arrival of Poo Ming, the guardian spirit.
After a spate of ghostly sightings and unfortunate accidents, 90 monks massed inside the shining new complex Saturday to chant rites ensuring good luck ahead of Thursday's official opening.
During the religious proceedings, a shaking man appeared crying and speaking in a strange voice claiming to be Poo Ming (Grandfather Ming), the guardian spirit of the land on which the airport was built.
He demanded a spirit house to be built at the airport -- a fixture in many homes and work places in Buddhist Thailand -- before promptly fainting.
"Even if it's unbelieveable, we will not insult something we cannot prove," said senior airport official Surajit Surapolchai. He said the authorities planned to build a spirit house soon.
Supernatural events had long been talked about at the new Suvarnabhumi international airport built on land that once been home to a centuries-old temple and a cemetery.
Workers had spoken of seeing a woman in Thai-style costume at the construction site in the evenings and were unnerved after frequent car crashes on a road parallel to a runway, the Bangkok Post reported.
Airport general manager, Somchai Sawasdeepon, said the monks chanted rites at 10 places in the airport for Saturday's ceremony.
"The rite is to help promote and lift the people's spirits before the new airport opens since there were many bad things that happened during its construction," he said.
Last week the roof started leaking. Then Premier Thaksin Shinawatra, the man who had made the airport's construction a priority project, was unseated in a military coup nine days before the official opening.
Thailand's turbulent politics and repeated corruption scandals have delayed the airport's opening since it was first mooted four decades ago.
Thai officials hope the airport, capable of dealing with 45 million passengers a year, will become the new hub for regional air travel.
The Thai population is 95 percent Buddhist and a belief in ancient spirits remains strong, particularly in rural areas.
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Gourmet Catering & Septic Tank Cleaning
[QUOTE=Bigguy4469]How many times are you allowed to entry into Thailand I entered three times this year is that the limit?
Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]
No set limits for now if you are a tourist.
But starting next year, the govt have set strict limits on the number of visa runs allowed--this is meant to discourage ex-pats and others from overstaying. New limits will be 90 days allowed in LOS then you must leave the country for set amount of time before being allowed to enter again.
PT
I guess the summary would be: you can spend less than one-half of your time in Thailand using the visitor visa that you obtain on arrival.
--begin broadcast message from US Embassy
Subject: American Embassy Warden Message - Change in Thailand's Visa Policy
Attention American Citizens:
The Thai Immigration Bureau recently announced a change in Visa Regulations that is scheduled to go into effect on October 1, 2006. This change will affect citizens of 39 countries, including American citizens, who are exempt from obtaining a Thai visa prior to entering Thailand. Effective October 1, 2006, American citizens who enter Thailand without a visa will be allowed to stay in Thailand for 30 days per visit as before. However, the total duration of stay in Thailand for American citizens who enter Thailand without a visa cannot exceed 90 days in any six-month period, counting from the date of first entry.
American citizens who wish to remain in Thailand for longer than 90 days during any six-month period will be required to obtain a valid Thai visa from a Thai Embassy or Consulate that is authorized to issue visas. The U.S. Embassy advises all American citizens who wish to obtain a Thai visa to contact the Thai Immigration Bureau for exact visa requirements and regulations. Persons who do not comply with the new visa regulations risk being denied reentry to Thailand at the border.
The U.S. Embassy has been attempting to seek clarifications and additional information from the Thai Immigration Bureau regarding the change in visa regulations. To date the Embassy has been unable to determine whether American citizens who have been in Thailand for 90 days or longer without a visa before October 1, 2006 will be considered
to have reached their 90-day limit on October 1, 2006, or whether the 90 days will start from the first time the American citizen crosses the border into Thailand after the new regulation goes into effect. When/if the Embassy receives a definitive answer to this question we will post that information on the Embassy's web site at:
[url]http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/index.htm[/url].
I didn't know where to post this, and I'll probably get a right slagging off, but it's just a bit of humour.
I was out on my daily bike ride, and was listening to the song 'Angels' by that good old Manchester boy Robbie Williams. I hope he doesn't sue me for this, but I was thinking that when he originally wrote the song, he was in fact writing about Thai bar girls, but obviously he changed the lyrics when he realised he couldn'make 10 billion pounds from the original version.
Anyway, here's the chart-topping version and in brackets, along side it, is the version that he probably actually wrote.
The man is a genius!
I sit and wait (I sit and wait)
Does an angel contemplate my fate (Does a bar girl contemplate my fate)
And do they know (And do they know)
The places where we go (The places where we go)
When we´re grey and old (When we’re grey and old)
´Cos I´ve been told (Cos they have been told)
That salvation lets their wings unfold (That pattaya lets our wallets unfold)
So when I’m lying in my bed (So when I’m lying in my bed)
Thoughts running through my head (Thoughts running through my head)
And I feel that love is dead (And I feel that love is dead)
I’m loving angels instead (I’m loving Thai girls instead)
And through it all she offers me protection (And through it all, I do her with protection)
A lot of love and affection (A lot of love no infection)
Whether I'm right or wrong (Whether that's right or wrong)
and down the waterfall (And down the Walking Street)
wherever it may take me (Wherever it may take me)
I know that life wont break me (I know the fine won’t break me)
when I come to call ,she wont forsake me (When I go longtime, she won’t forsake me)
I’m loving angels instead (I’m loving Thai girls instead)
When I’m feeling weak (When I’m feeling weak)
And my pain walks down a one way street (And my pain walks down that Walking Street)
I look above (I look above)
And I know ill always be blessed with love (And I know I will always be blessed with love)
And as the feeling grows (And as my hard on grows)
She breathes flesh to my bones (She sucks me ‘till I blow)
And when love is dead (And when my manhood’s dead)
I’m loving angels instead (I’m loving bar girls instead)
And through it all she offers me protection (and through it all, I do her with protection)
A lot of love and affection (a lot of love no infection)
Whether I'm right or wrong (Whether that's right or wrong)
And down the waterfall (and down the Walking Street)
Wherever it may take me (wherever it may take me)
I know that life wont break me (I know the fine won’t break me)
When I come to call ,she wont forsake me (when I go longtime, she won’t forsake me)
I’m loving angels instead (I’m loving Thai girls instead)
©Petemcc 2006
Sorry I couldn't do it in colours or bold.
Pete
From what I've read the new visa rules were the first thing the military coup changed (other than taking over). The King didn't like the new rules, many rich and influential farangs didn't like them, many Thais would lose lots of money, All Samo Samo again.
Just my best rumor of the day
Shamas O'Dognasty
[QUOTE=Shamas]From what I've read the new visa rules were the first thing the military coup changed (other than taking over). The King didn't like the new rules, many rich and influential farangs didn't like them, many Thais would lose lots of money, All Samo Samo again.
Just my best rumor of the day
Shamas O'Dognasty[/QUOTE]
Yeah, the rumour mill has been spinning wildly lately (Shamas is correct in that the rumour mill in Thailand often knows what's going to happen before it happens, and I think that I heard that the head of Thai immigration under Thaksin got booted on Tuesday). On the other hand, I've been trying to get clarification ever since the visa changes were announced since the new rules, if enforced, would screw me up business-wise. As far as I know, the US embassy's broadcast message is the only quasi-official statement that I have been able to find. The embassy's statement was issued Monday, September 25 at 10:52 AM Bangkok time.
Thailand's Immigration Bureau has posted visa requirements that become effective October 1, 2006 at [url]http://www.immigration.go.th/nov2004/2notice/newpro.html[/url]. (I had checked the site previously on Monday, September 25 and this announcement had not been posted.) The web posting reflects the US embassy's announcement.
However, as these are uncertain times regarding entry into Thailand, and there is a difference between laws/regulations and enforcement of said laws/regulations, I would be interested in knowing if anyone else has found any other quasi-official statement or reasonable rumours (such as at [url]http://www.thaivisa.com[/url]), a non-mongering :-) farang forum that is pretty good regarding the feeling on the streets), as I just returned from BKK last week and need to go back in October. (PM me so that Jackson doesn't get bent out of shape about cross talk!)
YMMV
BD
[color=red][b]overstaying is dangerous[/b][/color]
i just found this. a warning to anyone not to overstay the visa.
it may not be done with just paying 500 per day.
story of a guy who ended up in a overcrowded 3rd world jail (thai in this case) for overstaying a single day with a ticket on hand to fly out the next day.
[quote=bangkok phil]
any guidebook that contains a visa information section will tell you that if you overstay a visa in thailand, you will be fined 100 or 200 baht for every day you have overstayed. you can pay this money to the immigration officer upon your departure at the airport.
[color=red]can you imagine a situation where a man overstays his thai visa by one day, is unlucky enough to be picked up by the immigration police doing a spot-check, and thrown into a thai jail without food and water for five days, in a cell containing 260 people with barely room to stand up. sounds ridiculous doesn’t it. let me tell you that it isn’t. because seven years ago, i was that man.[/color]
it was a saturday morning in october about 7.45 am. i had overslept due to a rather late night, and was awoken by a loud knock on the door. normally, i would have been up and dressed and on my work to my office at the silom rd gemstone company by 7.15, but it was sheer fate that on that particular morning, my routine went out the window. i opened the door somewhat groggily to be confronted by half a dozen young thai guys in plain casual clothes. my initial reaction was that they had got the wrong room. i was living at that time in a rather seedy apartment building in the soi sri bamphaen area of the city, and there were always groups of dodgy-looking thai lads wandering around. they muttered something in thai that i couldn't quite catch, and i politely told them that they had the wrong room. it was at that moment that one of them uttered the magic words "immigration, passport", and they came into my apartment.
i stood there somewhat bewildered as they proceeded to open drawers, check the clothes in my wardrobe, and flash a torch under the bed. i started to become somewhat angry when one of them grabbed my arms to check for needle-pricks. i rushed over to where i kept my passport and held it out for scrutiny. perhaps that might be the key to live me in peace.the guy who appeared to be the head man flicked through the passport until he arrived at the visa page, looked at it carefully, and exclaimed "overstay, you come immigration". i have to say that i wasn't the slightest bit worried at this point. i knew about the 100 baht a day overstay, and i also had a flight ticket to singapore for the following day. it had been my intention to pay 200 baht at the airport when i left the country. at least they knew it was my intention to leave.
i called my boss at work to say i would be late, and was escorted downstairs to the front of the apartment building. i was told to get in the back of a pick-up truck along with a young french guy and an israeli. they had been rounded up just 10 minutes earlier for not being in possession of a passport at all. we made nervous conversation as we rode through the streets to the police station on soi suan phlu next to the immigration office.
at the police station itself, i was made to fill in several forms, and generally sat around for what seemed like hours. the tension of the whole situation was heightened by a vicious argument going on between two policemen. it was something we didn't need. just adjacent to the room we were in was a large holding cell with iron bars. there were about 100 people in it just staring out into space . teenage motorcycle joy-riders, the odd prostitute and pimp, and a good handful of farangs rounded up for passport violation. i certainly didn't belong with them. i had just overstayed a visa by one day. i'll be on my way to work before too long how wrong you can be.
one of the immigration police produced a bunch of keys. you know the sort of keys that you see in robin hood films. he inserted the key in the iron door of the cell and gestured to the three of us to step inside. by now, i'm getting really worried. my thoughts were drifting toward my family back in england, and a more law-abiding family you could never meet. funny how all sorts of mental demons begin to play in your head at times like this. we were held in that cell for a further hour, just generally chatting and wondering what fate awaited us. there are several moments that i recall in this story when time stood still under the sheer weight of 'this abso-f*cking-lutely can't be happening to me' and the first of those moments came next. a copper emerges with a long chain of leg-irons, and he actually wanted the 8 farangs in that cell, including me, to put them on. after they were secured, we hobbled and shuffled the short distance from the immigration police station to the immigration detention center (idc), which is directly behind the immigration office. not in your wildest dreams could you ever imagine the degradation of having to do that in full view of the folks in soi suan phlu going about their daily lives, parents pointing us out to their kids. humiliation beyond belief.
the idc at that time had been featured in the international news. apparently, amnesty international had been campaigning to have the place closed down, and they still are to this day. i joined amnesty shortly after i was released from here. i've never really been a political person, but it fights causes that are worth fighting. but back to the story. the idc consists of an open courtyard with about 6 huge cells surrounding it. first of all you have to go through a processing system before you are incarcerated. we were divided up into three groups; farangs, guys from the sub-continent of india and pakistan, and burmese. that day the immigration had rounded up over 300 passport violators. we sat in that open courtyard for over an hour with the midday sun blazing down, while the thai police wandered around importantly, barking orders at anyone who so much as coughed. but they weren't really the ones to be feared. there were a couple of huge african guys who i later learned were in their for 10 years on drug charges and holding false passports. they had somehow been given the job of overseers by the thai police, who allowed these two schwarzenneger-like figures to carry batons and use them whenever they felt the need. watching these two guys strutting around with their psuedo-authority almost became the moment when i decided enough was enough. a little man inside me was screaming and imploring me to stand up and just say 'excuse me, but i'm british. i'm going to walk out of those gates now, and there ain't no motherf*cker gonna stand in my way'. but i sat down and remained silent.
an austrailian guy behind me could see i was starting to lose it and put a re-assuring hand on my shoulder. it's difficult in these kind of situations not to interpret that as a homosexual gesture, but i knew he meant well. eventually after being fingerprinted and weighed, we were taken to the cells. the 8 or so farangs were put in cell b, along with about 250 burmese and indians. a cell barely big enough for a 100. as it came to pass, all thoughts of sleep were out of the question. when 120 people sat down, 120 people had to stand up. that's how it continued for five days.
each prison cell was run by chinese mafia. they organized the cleaning, the distribution of food to the prisoners, and made any decisions such as when half of the cell's turn to sit down had arrived. i became quite friendly with the main-man, a chinese guy called kenny. he spoke excellent english and had lived in london for a number of years. it wasn't my place to ask him what he was there for, but i needed the guy on my side. the cell itself was third-world to the extreme. a small toilet block overflowing with [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] and excrement, and a totally window-less room with no indication of when night became day.
i learned valuable lessons in prison. lessons about how much every nationality can get along when their backs are truly against the wall. i talked politics with burmese, debated football games with germans, and laughed and joked with indians, arabs, and pakistanis. without their support i would never have got through it. i recall a thai guy approaching me, his hair shaved from having recently completed his monk hood. he basically wanted to bum a cigarette from me, but he reached out to me and grabbed my hand, and with an almost psychic sense told me that i would be leaving tomorrow. he was right, and the next day the british embassy had been informed by my boss, and they came to get me out. when the prison guard called out my name and freedom beckoned, all 260 people in that cell stood up and clapped ( a traditional prison gesture). it was an overwhelming moment that i will take to the grave. i was taken by police escort to don muang airport and put on a plane to singapore. i stank. i hadn't showered in 5 days, and the smell of prison hung all over me. i really don't know what the well-dressed woman in the next seat thought, but i was too busy tucking into the airline food.
later that evening, i was sitting in the merlion park in singapore. if you've been there, you'll know that at night the view is something else as thousands of tiny lights dance across the harbor waters. and i remember thinking about what freedom really means, and yes, i do remember tears streaming down my face. i don't suppose there is an objective to this story really. thailand lies about its visa overstay law. it says that you can pay a fixed amount for every day that you overstay, but what they don't tell you is that if the police catch you first, you're in deep shit. i've never forgiven thailand for what it did. the mental scars have never healed. 7 years later, i still get nervous when i have to go to the immigration office in suan phlu for even the most trivial reason.
on one of the last visits there, i chanced to see one of the black guys who had acted as overseer on the day i was imprisoned years ago. perhaps rather stupidly, i gave him a mouthful and then some. he stood there and took it. he just smiled, but perhaps i had exorcised one more demon. if you've read warren fellows book about his 12 years in a thai prison, he hits the nail on the head when he says that thai prisons are 'robbers of the soul'. they are not even worthy of being classed as 'third-world'. there are farangs rotting away in these places, and i'm not sure all of them deserve to be there.
[/quote]
Now lets be blunt - SOMETHING he did aroused the suspicion (IRE?) of the immigration police. For that 1 day, they must have a REASON to come down on the "Poor unsuspecting arsehole" the way they did - so anecdotal evidence aside, while it is a good idea not to overstay, this represents the "hidden agenda" portion of enforcement.
Whatever the case, Bangkok Phil certainly paints an almost surreal picture of what can happen if you do overstay. Let's face it, any rough looking lad in need of a few baht will do something to get it...
Unbelievable Story
LN..
[QUOTE=Lovesnihon]... any rough looking lad in need of a few baht will do something to get it...
Unbelievable Story
LN..[/QUOTE]Be it that or not, as he wrote he even had an office to work.
Anyway such stories are necessary to remind us that things don't always go the smooth way, be it such an extreme or not.
[QUOTE=Tiger 1][color=red][b]Overstaying is Dangerous[/b][/color]
day.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It was a Saturday morning in October about 7.45 am....I opened the door somewhat groggily to be confronted by half a dozen young Thai guys in plain casual clothes. ...."Immigration, passport", and they came into my apartment....I stood there somewhat bewildered as they proceeded to open drawers, check the clothes in my wardrobe, and flash a torch under the bed. I started to become somewhat angry when one of them grabbed my arms to check for needle-pricks. ... the head man flicked through the passport until he arrived at the visa page, looked at it carefully, and exclaimed "overstay, you come immigration".[/quote]
I didn't bother reading any further, it's quite clear that this guy pi**ed someone off and that someone had him 'visited'. They kept looking till they found something, IMHO he was lucky he had overstayed, if they hadn't found something who knows what they might have planted to achieve their goal. Again, IMHO this is not something your average monger, who plays by the rules is going to experience.
New Airport
I flew out on the first day it was open last week. My first impression: a big nice looking airport. A big accomplishment for Thailand and a much needed new facilities.
I arrived at the airport at around 4:00 AM and I found certain parts inside to be dark and with few or limited signs for directions. My airline had people holding signs for passengers with directions to the departure gate. In some places the atmospheric lighting works great but in others it looks like they forgot to put a light...
Looking at the detail construction of the airport it looks cheap and in a few parts not finished yet. It still looks great but you can tell that it was rushed or just not made with detail finish in mind. Also the structure material for the roof will in about 2 or 3 years look like shit and dirty. I think it will sag in some areas and will be really tough to clean up and maintain. Maybe not.
The taxi from Suk and soi 11 took 40 minutes to get there and the meter was around 250bt. I think the driver took the longer way but maybe not.
Juice,
"I think the driver took the longer way but maybe not."
Been had and afraid to admit it. Hehehe:)
Nice pics btw.
[color=green]on my outbound flight from los on last sunday, i came across this article in the nation. it has already been referenced by another mongering newsletter...[/color]
[url]http://www.nationmultimedia.com/2006/10/01/pda/national_30015084.html[/url]
published on october 1, 2006
as flight tg 401 touched down at the futuristic-looking suvarnabhumi airport on friday night, the inefficiency of this new bt150-billion facility took me and other passengers by surprise.
the impressive view from the outside, of architectural structures bathed in blue light, gave way to appalling design flaws and apparent mismanagement by officials.
"it's a new airport, so why did we have to board a bus [after deplaning]?" asked a fellow thai traveller from singapore.
less than two minutes later we were stuck in a bottleneck at the only escalator from the ground floor up to the first floor. we wondered why more planning wasn't put into such a crucial matter.
then after a considerable hike past a few duty-free shops, i arrived at the hi-tech immigration desk. it was speedy and convenient. but as i got through the counter and proceeded to find out where to reclaim my luggage, my eyes were dazzled by four flashing tv monitors with letters so tiny that anyone over 40 or with reading difficulties would have a hard time deciphering the messages.
after a few minutes of eye-straining search, i discovered that i had to go to carousel 18. but wait! when i got there, the overhead display said the luggage coming through belonged to flights from siem reap and seoul, not singapore!
there weren't enough luggage carts and it took me 10 minutes to get one.
so which computerised monitors should i trust?
i hung around with other passengers whom i recognised from our flight until one westerner finally got his luggage. "amazing," he said to me, as i asked if he was on that thai flight from singapore, to make sure that this was where my suitcase would emerge.
then there was a sign on a pillar next to the conveyor belt printed on a4 paper. "temporary toilet". the lack of enough toilets appeared to be haunting the new airport on day two.
but there was more travail to go through. the arrival lobby is too small.
people squeeze together forming a wall so you can't see if someone came to
pick you up.
then i couldn't figure out where to hail a metered taxi. there was no sign and i ended up having to ask for information at an aot counter. the woman there was pushing a pricey limousine service, but eventually caved in and told me to head one level down.
"but the queue down there is very long," she warned me. the taxi queue was actually twice, if not thrice, longer than those at don muang.
why? partly bad coordination and partly because this is a single-terminal airport. the taxi pick-up points must actually be fewer than at don muang, which has one domestic and two international terminals. and there was no proper sign telling you this is where you should wait!
while in line, two thai passengers complained to me. one, an elderly gentleman who flew in from brisbane, said he waited an hour and a half for his luggage to arrive. when he inquired about it with thai ground staff, they didn't have a clue as to how long he had to wait.
"it was a long walk," he said, referring to the mega-long terminal and hall.
another thai passenger said the exit gate at the arrival hall was simply "miniature", which didn't make any sense.
nobody seems to want to explain why this new gateway is not laid out better and more conveniently than the 92-year-old complex at don muang. i couldn't help wonder why aot has to force thousands of travellers to undergo such a trying experience.
in the first few days they may claim that many things are not functioning properly because it's still new. but the management's attitude was self-congratulatory even though they should be profusely apologetic and do their best to meet travellers' expectations.
i couldn't see or feel a sense of excellence and a service mindset from them.
suvarnabhumi may end up becoming just another expensive airport that's better to look at than to use.
perhaps a new management team that is more concerned and attentive to travellers' needs and satisfaction, comforts and convenience might improve things. a few executives deserve - not only to be shifted or reassigned - but fired.
pravit rojanaphruk
the nation
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here's my departure via suvarnabhumi last sunday (4th day after opening):
from sukhumvit soi 15, the taxi ride took 30 mins and 185 baht (+25 bt for tollway). it was around 10am on sunday, so not too much traffic. it took about 10 mins to get from soi 15 to the toll booths at motorway no 7 (the driver turned left onto soi 19, then, crossed over to soi 21/asoke, and right onto rama 9). my taxi averaged 140kph on the freeway, so it might take up to 45 mins at slower speed. :o
the departure area is easy to find, but there are no advance warning sign to indicate which entrance you should be dropped off. luckily, i was flying thai, so i knew in advanced that i'd be at #4. for other airlines, i've attached entrance sign photos.
check-in wasn't a problem, since there are plenty of counters. no issue with baggage weight (mine scaled 31kg). note: like other international airports, there is no baggage screening before the check-in counters (done internally somewhere else), so your tg can accompany you till you enter the entrance for immigration. ;)
for added security, you can wrapped your baggage in clear plastic sheets for 100bt each. this would prevent pilfering and bust-open luggage.
i did not see any electronic airport tariff dispensing machines. but, there was no line at the manned booth, so no issue here.
at immigration, there are more foreign passport lines than thai passport, but apparently, thai's can use any line, which causes delays for the foreigners. there were several groups of 10 each in front of me using the foreigners' lanes. and, they were all bunched up like lemmings, i.e. no waiting behind the red line--a security issue. i mentioned these facts to the supervisor and the stamping agent. (1) they stated that thai's can use any line. (2) they don't see it as a security issue to have someone look over another's shoulder. :(
oh, btw, i didn't see any of those cybercams, like at don muang. maybe they are hiddened, or haven't been installed, yet. more likely the latter case...
then, it's a long walk to your gate. if you only have 30 mins before departure, you'd better hussle. don't bother to shop/browse through the duty free stores.
the security screening is set up right before you go down to the 3rd level (for thai flights) or to other individual wings. here i faced the slowness of first-time traveling ladies who didn't want to take off their jackets and didn't remove all metal from their pockets, clothes, or bodies. simply stupid and not pay attention to the security attendants.
then, it's more long walk as you double-back to try to find the right stairway or escalator to get to your gate. :(
finally, you are faced with the stupidity in design of attempting to accomodate handicapped and wheeled baggage: 4 long ramps to get down to level 2. doesn't the designer(s) realize that by this point most travelers only have a carry-on/laptop, so no need for ramps. short staircase is better. and, the occasional handicapped/elderly persons can use the elevators. see photos...
summary: i'm not impressed at all with the new airport. yes, it's huge and modern. and, the growing pains (computer glitches, baggage system) are gone, but there are obvious design flaws to inconvient the travelers and reduce personnel flow. the thai's may feel proud of the overall design and construction, but they don't know anything about international air travel. sad...
seeko
The arrival area is funneled similar to Don Muang's. See photo.
There are long lines at the center/main public taxi pick-up area. However, when I was checking out the Airport Express Buses, I noticed a small scale taxi pick-up area. Not sure if it's for BKK or for other cities. I'll inquire next time...
[size=+1]The Airport Express Lines & Stops:[/size]
[size=+1]AE1:[/size] Petchaburi Soi 30/Pratunam, World Trade Center/Central World Plaza, Rachdamri BTS Station, Lumpini Park, Saladaeng/Rama 4/Robinson Silom, Montien Hotel/Patpong, Tawana Ramada Hotel, Plaza Hotel, Surawong Soi Kamjai/Manohra Hotel, Charoen Krung Soi 47/1 Silom Road, Lertsin Hospital, Central Silom/Holiday Inn, Silom Soi 26, Narai Hotel/Silom Soi 18, Sofitel Hotel/Soi 12, BKK Bank/Soi 6, Saladang BTS Station.
[size=+1]AE2:[/size] Petchaburi Soi 30/Pratunam, Platinum Fashion Mall/Amari Watergate/Pantip Plaza, Petchaburi Soi 20/First Hotel, Petchaburi Soi 10/Asia Hotel, Urupong, Sapan Kao, Thai Airways/Royal Princess Hotel, Wat Rachnatda, Democracy Monument, Royal/Ratanakosin Hotel, National Theatre, Pra A-Thit Road, Phra-sumen, Khaosan road.
[size=+1]AE3:[/size] Sukhumvit Soi 52-50/Onut BTS Station, Prakanong Market/Klongton, Eastern Bus Terminal/Ekamai/Soi 63, Thonglor BTS Station/Soi 38, Soi 34/Rex Hotel, Emporium/Prom-Phong BTS/Soi 24, Soi 20/Novotel Hotel, Soi 18/Westin Hotel/Robinson, Soi 10/BKK Bank/Ambassador Hotel, Soi 6/Amari Boulevard/Landmark, Soi 2/JW Marriot Hotel, Central Chidlom, World Trade Center/Isetan/Zen, Phetchaburi Soi 25/Pratunam Center, Phetchaburi Soi 35/BKK Palace Hotel, Soi Nana/Grace Hotel.
[size=+1]AE4:[/size] Victory Monument, Soi Rangnam, 99 Hotel, Phayathai BTS Station/Florida Hotel, Live Stock Department, Rachatewee BTS Station/Asia Hotel, Siam Discovery Center/Siam Center, Maboonkrong(MBK), Chulalongkorn University/Rama 4 Road, Mandarin Hotel, Bangkok Centre Hotel, Hua Lumpong Railway Station.
I haven't taken them, yet, but I'll soon. Standby...
Seeko
[QUOTE=Seeko]The arrival area is funneled similar to Don Muang's. See photo.
There are long lines at the center/main public taxi pick-up area. However, when I was checking out the Airport Express Buses, I noticed a small scale taxi pick-up area. Not sure if it's for BKK or for other cities. I'll inquire next time...
[size=+1]The Airport Express Lines & Stops:[/size]
[size=+1]AE1:[/size] Petchaburi Soi 30/Pratunam, World Trade Center/Central World Plaza, Rachdamri BTS Station, Lumpini Park, Saladaeng/Rama 4/Robinson Silom, Montien Hotel/Patpong, Tawana Ramada Hotel, Plaza Hotel, Surawong Soi Kamjai/Manohra Hotel, Charoen Krung Soi 47/1 Silom Road, Lertsin Hospital, Central Silom/Holiday Inn, Silom Soi 26, Narai Hotel/Silom Soi 18, Sofitel Hotel/Soi 12, BKK Bank/Soi 6, Saladang BTS Station.
[size=+1]AE2:[/size] Petchaburi Soi 30/Pratunam, Platinum Fashion Mall/Amari Watergate/Pantip Plaza, Petchaburi Soi 20/First Hotel, Petchaburi Soi 10/Asia Hotel, Urupong, Sapan Kao, Thai Airways/Royal Princess Hotel, Wat Rachnatda, Democracy Monument, Royal/Ratanakosin Hotel, National Theatre, Pra A-Thit Road, Phra-sumen, Khaosan road.
[size=+1]AE3:[/size] Sukhumvit Soi 52-50/Onut BTS Station, Prakanong Market/Klongton, Eastern Bus Terminal/Ekamai/Soi 63, Thonglor BTS Station/Soi 38, Soi 34/Rex Hotel, Emporium/Prom-Phong BTS/Soi 24, Soi 20/Novotel Hotel, Soi 18/Westin Hotel/Robinson, Soi 10/BKK Bank/Ambassador Hotel, Soi 6/Amari Boulevard/Landmark, Soi 2/JW Marriot Hotel, Central Chidlom, World Trade Center/Isetan/Zen, Phetchaburi Soi 25/Pratunam Center, Phetchaburi Soi 35/BKK Palace Hotel, Soi Nana/Grace Hotel.
[size=+1]AE4:[/size] Victory Monument, Soi Rangnam, 99 Hotel, Phayathai BTS Station/Florida Hotel, Live Stock Department, Rachatewee BTS Station/Asia Hotel, Siam Discovery Center/Siam Center, Maboonkrong(MBK), Chulalongkorn University/Rama 4 Road, Mandarin Hotel, Bangkok Centre Hotel, Hua Lumpong Railway Station.
I haven't taken them, yet, but I'll soon. Standby...
Seeko[/QUOTE]
Thanks Seeko for the info.
I havent looked at all the details yet on these new airport bus routes but at a glance it all seems same or similar to the old airport A-bus routes. Only thing is they up the price 50% as the old bus price was 100b and from the new airport its 150b. Just thats progress for you.
Only thing missing is the hours of operation for these buses (when does the last bus leave the airport) and how frequently they are running? So keep us informed Seeko or others who have taken these buses.
Cheers.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Thanks Seeko for the info.
I havent looked at all the details yet on these new airport bus routes but at a glance it all seems same or similar to the old airport A-bus routes. Only thing is they up the price 50% as the old bus price was 100b and from the new airport its 150b. Just thats progress for you.
Only thing missing is the hours of operation for these buses (when does the last bus leave the airport) and how frequently they are running? So keep us informed Seeko or others who have taken these buses.
Cheers.
PT[/QUOTE]
Well it is a significantly longer trip. I think 150 Baht is pretty reasonable, all considered, although I'd probably rather spend 350-400 on a taxi.
I am going to be in Ubon Ratchatani soon, for reasons unrelated to mongering--but I was wondering--has anyone been there since the coup? I have not been there before at all, and would appreciate some advice on how and where to find prime pussy there. Any bars, etc? In particular, is bareback sex available for farangs in Ubon? Thanks for your help!
[QUOTE=Japan]I am going to be in Ubon Ratchatani soon, for reasons unrelated to mongering--but I was wondering--has anyone been there since the coup? I have not been there before at all, and would appreciate some advice on how and where to find prime pussy there. Any bars, etc? In particular, is bareback sex available for farangs in Ubon? Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]
The coup took Ubon R by total surprise, there were lots of street fights and bloody confrontations that never made the press, unfortunately, now that the military have full control here (and are still on the streets, i can see them from my bedroom window) the girls are not allowed to offer bareback sex, but i understand that BBBJ is still okay but only with COT, no CIM is allowed. I would advise you to avoid the scene here, its totally changed since the coup.
Gentlemen
I know the immediate response may be RTFF, however as many of you realise, it is a huge database and it is not always easy to find answers.
By reading various threads, one gets a feeling for Thai culture and what is or is not allowed/tolerated, but what is the complete story?
I have gathered that loss of face, portraying the Buddha in a bad light, taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of the King, and many other things, are not the way to win friends and influence people in Thailand.
However, to most westerners, where basically anything goes- except open, safe, beautiful, fantastic prostitution- like in Thailand, there exists a problem.
Take for example tipping, and the funny way that you always get 40Bht somewhere in your change designed for a tip. I only understood this because I was with a BG and she told me that it was custom- and then the Korp kun ka/krap with the folded hands and bow came. In my first few encounters I kept the change because I didn't realise, because tipping is not common in the UK or Aus, and of course the Thais are too proud/nice/shy/relegious, whatever to make a fuss.
What's my point? Well, for countries such as Thailand- or indeed other countries, is it worth creating a thread about customs that is easily searchable? I am sure many people here can tell us about Thai culture, and let's face it, the story seems to be treat the girls well, and you get rewards. Knowing how not to upset them must be very important.
If there is a decent response, I will post this in suggestions to Jackson to see if it is worthy of a seperate thread not only here, but on other forums.
So what do you think?
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Gentlemen
tipping is not common in the UK or Aus,
So what do you think?[/QUOTE]
Anywhere in SEA tipping is not common among the locals. If you dont tip at home then chances are you will not need to tip here -tipping is just a nice gesture as small change left over means alot to them but almost amounts to nothing for us (I mean general services and not P4P). So make them happy if service was good by leaving something=small change. Its really up to you.
Note:I always tip in LOS because its a habit I've grown up with --so its automatic for me, as everyone and everywhere at home almost everybody gets a tip.
PT
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Gentlemen
I know the immediate response may be RTFF, however as many of you realise, it is a huge database and it is not always easy to find answers.
By reading various threads, one gets a feeling for Thai culture and what is or is not allowed/tolerated, but what is the complete story?
I have gathered that loss of face, portraying the Buddha in a bad light, taking the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] out of the King, and many other things, are not the way to win friends and influence people in Thailand.
However, to most westerners, where basically anything goes- except open, safe, beautiful, fantastic prostitution- like in Thailand, there exists a problem.
Take for example tipping, and the funny way that you always get 40Bht somewhere in your change designed for a tip. I only understood this because I was with a BG and she told me that it was custom- and then the Korp kun ka/krap with the folded hands and bow came. In my first few encounters I kept the change because I didn't realise, because tipping is not common in the UK or Aus, and of course the Thais are too proud/nice/shy/relegious, whatever to make a fuss.
What's my point? Well, for countries such as Thailand- or indeed other countries, is it worth creating a thread about customs that is easily searchable? I am sure many people here can tell us about Thai culture, and let's face it, the story seems to be treat the girls well, and you get rewards. Knowing how not to upset them must be very important.
If there is a decent response, I will post this in suggestions to Jackson to see if it is worthy of a seperate thread not only here, but on other forums.
So what do you think?[/QUOTE]
Pete, one can easily find this in Google. No need for a one-off topic here.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]GentlemenI am sure many people here can tell us about Thai culture, and let's face it, the story seems to be treat the girls well, and you get rewards. Knowing how not to upset them must be very important.[/QUOTE]
What part of Thai culture/customs are you actually interested in? Are you just concerned about not "upsetting" the girls...you mean hookers? They are not exactly representative of Thai culture. So, I don't get your interest in the topic. Could you explain what it is you are eactly after?
BTW, here's a general tip for all those guys who walk in the bars and "wai" the staff and the girls: stop doing it. It's really not appropriate and you look like jerks for doing it.
OTH,
Pete may have hit on something IMO.
You cannot drive us moronic sextourists away from the Kingdom singlehanded, but maybe you can at least provide a little education inside a dedicated thread for those of us who hang out in this virtual cafe.
Goot ideah, mai?
Hello: I got an offer to fly to the following destinations:
Bangkok
Singapore
Tokyo
Bombay
Johannesburg
Nairobi
Sao Paulo
Table end
I was wondering whether I could get an advice as to what destination to choose. My criteria are as follows: since I live on a fix income I am looking for a reasonably cheap place, since I am disabled I am looking for a place which might be friendly towards people with disabilities, for a place with relatively low crime and cheap accommodation. I am looking for a place with low std rate and cheap service providers, I am willing to branch to other cities or countries from the destinations mentioned above so I am looking for a place which can be interested in a traveler as well. Thank you very much for your help.
[QUOTE=Petemcc]Gentlemen
I know the immediate response may be RTFF, however as many of you realise, it is a huge database and it is not always easy to find answers.
...If there is a decent response, I will post this in suggestions to Jackson to see if it is worthy of a seperate thread not only here, but on other forums.
So what do you think?[/QUOTE]Petemcc,
Let's give it a try. I created a thread "Thai Culture and Customs". Feel free to start it up.
[URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?p=521224[/URL]
Giotto
[QUOTE=Terry Terrier]OTH,
Pete may have hit on something IMO.
You cannot drive us moronic sextourists away from the Kingdom singlehanded, but maybe you can at least provide a little education inside a dedicated thread for those of us who hang out in this virtual cafe.
Goot ideah, mai?[/QUOTE]
I think it's a good idea too. I just wanted some clarification of what his point was...i.e. ways of respecting Thai culture, or just ways of not pissing off the hookers.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]What part of Thai culture/customs are you actually interested in? Are you just concerned about not "upsetting" the girls...you mean hookers? They are not exactly representative of Thai culture. So, I don't get your interest in the topic. Could you explain what it is you are eactly after?
BTW, here's a general tip for all those guys who walk in the bars and "wai" the staff and the girls: stop doing it. It's really not appropriate and you look like jerks for doing it.[/QUOTE]My reasoning is as follows:
Girls, whether or not they are hookers are Thai, and apart from the obvious- ie fucking men for money, probably pretty much follow their culture. The girls I was with did the bowing thing, and the respect to Buddah, and the pity for afflicted people bit.
When I am with a Thai girl, I don't think of her as a prostitute. perhaps I am a moron, or kidding myself, but I treat her like a normal human being, albiet one who wouldn't normally give me the time of day if I wasn't paying her.
That means doing normal things with her, like having a meal, or breakfast, or a drink, or walking around the markets with her. I have no problem whatsoever keeping a girl happy in the bedroom, but it's the bits outside that I am concerned about. Everyone accepts that if a girl is treated well, she will treat you well. I would like to be able to interact with Thai girls, before and/or after I fuck them, without unintentionally upsetting them.
Up until yesterday I thought tipping was part of Thai culture, and now I am informed it isn't, but when I am with a bar girl, does the act of me leaving a tip for someone make me a better man in her eyes and therefore possibly deserving of extra special treatment? I just don't know. I wouldn't go out of my way to impress a girl, but I certainally wouldn't want to insult one, or make her lose face in public etc. If a BG is walking with me hand in hand down the street- and obviously not my GF, if I give her a peck on the will that insult her, or make her lose face?
There are so many questions that I don't know the answers to, and I would have liked those who understand Thai culture to give us the benefit of their wisdom. I know there is a thread on Thai women, and perhaps my reply isn't making it very clear, but this goes beyond just Thai women. It is more about Thai people and how not to upset them, and the BG in your company.
Then there is the MB taxi driver who I had the altercation with- remember? In my culture if a taxi driver doesn't fulfil his part of the contract- take you to your requested destination, he gets fuck all. Clearly, from my experience in Thailand, Thais expect something for just taking part!
You may ask how that is related to mongering, well all of us from other cultures who go to Thailand to enjoy the country and fuck the girls also have to do normal things like get taxis, buy food etc. I apreciate that doing a lot og 'Googling' may reveal teh answers to some of these questions, but first hand experience from the preverbial horse's mouth is what I prefer. OK?
Also, what the hell does 'wai' the staff and girls mean?
Pete
Pete
The fact that you've already been in Thailand and still don't know what a "wai" is, clearly shows you need help. BTW. It's that funny thing Thais do with their hands when they greet you.
It's good that you treat BGs as human beings. That's only to be expected. But, to think that they are the same as other Thai women is a huge mistake.
OK. Some incidentals...
Thais tip, just not a lot. Also, I never give a taxi driver anything if he doesn't get me where I'm going. And, I'll rip him a new one in Thai, just for causing me trouble. Thais have bad tempers. Don't let anyone tell you all about face saving and how you shouldn't argue with them or lose your temper. Thais can be as hot-tempered as Latins.
The fact that you are walking hand-in-hand with a hooker marks her and you anyway in the eyes of Thais. Unfortunately, BGs have a "look" that instantly identifies them and therefore, by connection identifies you as a monger.
But, anyway, kissing in public is generally frowned upon, although lots of younger Thais will do a little peck in combination with the "sniff" thing that TGs do. My GF kisses me and does the "sniff" thing sometimes in public. But, somehow it's different. She doesn't look like a BG, so it rarely turns heads when she does it. It's hard to explain the difference. It just is.
Check out Giotto's thread. He created a Thai Culture board that should start to answer your questions.
Hi!
Does it makes sense to buy a Digicam (Fuji Finepics/Panasonic FZ) in BKK? I know a electronic market in chinatown a few years ago with a lot of stuff and Pantip Plaza - but is it real cheaper? And what about guarantee things?
Thanks, SAB
[QUOTE=SweetAndBitter]Hi!
Does it makes sense to buy a Digicam (Fuji Finepics/Panasonic FZ) in BKK? I know a electronic market in chinatown a few years ago with a lot of stuff and Pantip Plaza - but is it real cheaper? And what about guarantee things?
Thanks, SAB[/QUOTE]
You can find 6 megapixels and plus, from 7.000 baht,all around Bangkok who cares about guarantees for that price ?
When it brokes (if it brokes), you buy another one .
Hi Guys :
While I am in BKK I also want to try other nationalaties like russians or Indians.
Where is the hang out place to find other than Thai's in BKK.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.
[QUOTE=Player2]Hi Guys :
While I am in BKK I also want to try other nationalaties like russians or Indians.
Where is the hang out place to find other than Thai's in BKK.
Your help will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]
CM2 at the Siam Novotel.
[QUOTE=Japan]I am going to be in Ubon Ratchatani soon, for reasons unrelated to mongering--but I was wondering--has anyone been there since the coup? I have not been there before at all, and would appreciate some advice on how and where to find prime pussy there. Any bars, etc? In particular, is bareback sex available for farangs in Ubon? Thanks for your help![/QUOTE]
Bareback sex is available everywhere in the LOS. Stupidity is available everywhere in the world. Use a condom dude and have fun.
N1
Can someone who understands currency conversions please shed some light on this for me?
I tried to exchange 2,500 AED (United Arab Emirates) into Thai Baht. I was offered 19,000 THB and some change. I thought that was much too low. i was expecting around 25,000 THB.
Here is my reasoning. I understand there is a difference in the buy and sell rate, but it shouldn’t be that huge.
1US$ = 3.6 AED
1US$ = 36 THB
( I am rounding off the numbers for ease of calculations.)
So, in essence, it is 10X exactly.
I took 2,500 AED, and came up with 694 US$
Then I took 694 US$, and converted it into THB, and came up with 25,000 THB.
Why would I be given only 19,000?
XE.com, by the way, shows that a direct conversion, not converting first into US$ should be 24,962 THB.
I went to 3 different money changers along Suk.
(I took my money back, and went to the Bank of Giotto).
Thanks G
[QUOTE=1Ball]Can someone who understands currency conversions please shed some light on this for me?
[/QUOTE]
I don't think anyone understand the process. All I know is it's a rip-off. That's why I recommend using an ATM to get THB. The rate is about the best you are going to get anywhere.
1Ball - exchange rates can vary due to supply and demand in a particular country. UAE Dirhams are not in demand in Thailand, so you get offered less for them. Better to exchange in Dubai, where both Dirhams and Baht are in demand (or hang on to them for next visit here). ;)
BTW - none of the exchanges at BKK airport had Dirhams, so I had to exchange my TB back in Dubai.
_____
PS - leave my personal banker out of this! (The only reason I haven't mentioned my "Giotto's Bank" story is out of concern that suddenly he'll find himself in the same sitiuation with 100 other guests!)
[QUOTE=1Ball]Can someone who understands currency conversions please shed some light on this for me?
I tried to exchange 2,500 AED (United Arab Emirates) into Thai Baht. I was offered 19,000 THB and some change. I thought that was much too low. i was expecting around 25,000 THB.
Here is my reasoning. I understand there is a difference in the buy and sell rate, but it shouldn’t be that huge.
1US$ = 3.6 AED
1US$ = 36 THB
( I am rounding off the numbers for ease of calculations.)
So, in essence, it is 10X exactly.
I took 2,500 AED, and came up with 694 US$
Then I took 694 US$, and converted it into THB, and came up with 25,000 THB.
Why would I be given only 19,000?
XE.com, by the way, shows that a direct conversion, not converting first into US$ should be 24,962 THB.
I went to 3 different money changers along Suk.
(I took my money back, and went to the Bank of Giotto).
Thanks G[/QUOTE]
1 Ball, according to your reports you come around in the world. However budget planning seems not to be your strengh. As Retired Army said, the direct cash exchange is a rippoff.
I thgought it is common praxis to pick the local currency from ATM's. If you have to much currency of a country you might not go back soon, then you should pay part of your hotel bill by such cash (and only keep what you need for Taxi etc.) before leaving the country. Never change back.
Thought this was common praxis.
regards
Brain666
who would never rechange his remaining baht as I will ome back for sure.
[QUOTE=Brain666]1 Ball, according to your reports you come around in the world. However budget planning seems not to be your strengh. As Retired Army said, the direct cash exchange is a rippoff.
I thgought it is common praxis to pick the local currency from ATM's. If you have to much currency of a country you might not go back soon, then you should pay part of your hotel bill by such cash (and only keep what you need for Taxi etc.) before leaving the country. Never change back.
Thought this was common praxis.
regards
Brain666
who would never rechange his remaining baht as I will ome back for sure.[/QUOTE]
What chance do I stand withmy local currency!!!!!
[QUOTE=1Ball]Can someone who understands currency conversions please shed some light on this for me?
I tried to exchange 2,500 AED (United Arab Emirates) into Thai Baht. I was offered 19,000 THB and some change. I thought that was much too low. i was expecting around 25,000 THB.
Here is my reasoning. I understand there is a difference in the buy and sell rate, but it shouldn’t be that huge.
1US$ = 3.6 AED
1US$ = 36 THB
( I am rounding off the numbers for ease of calculations.)
So, in essence, it is 10X exactly.
I took 2,500 AED, and came up with 694 US$
Then I took 694 US$, and converted it into THB, and came up with 25,000 THB.
Why would I be given only 19,000?
XE.com, by the way, shows that a direct conversion, not converting first into US$ should be 24,962 THB.
I went to 3 different money changers along Suk.
(I took my money back, and went to the Bank of Giotto).
Thanks G[/QUOTE]
1Ball, the best rate you can get at Superrich. that is where all the small money changers change themselves. For the US Dollar they normally have a spread of 10 to 15 Satang, means they buy USD at 37.10 they will sell at 37.20. Call them for information.
With an "exotic" currency the situation might be not as pleasant.
Another place is Vasu on the corner of Suk soi 7/1. But with larger sums I have heard of scams there. So be aware.
A very nice tool is
[url]http://www.oanda.com/convert/classic[/url]
there for today it says :
Thursday, November 2, 2006
1 Utd. Arab Emir. Dirham = 9.98844 Thai Baht
you can see the real rates between any currency pair at any given day in th past or today (even years back).
[QUOTE=1Ball]Can someone who understands currency conversions please shed some light on this for me?
I tried to exchange 2,500 AED (United Arab Emirates) into Thai Baht. I was offered 19,000 THB and some change. I thought that was much too low. i was expecting around 25,000 THB.
Here is my reasoning. I understand there is a difference in the buy and sell rate, but it shouldn’t be that huge.
1US$ = 3.6 AED
1US$ = 36 THB
( I am rounding off the numbers for ease of calculations.)
So, in essence, it is 10X exactly.
I took 2,500 AED, and came up with 694 US$
Then I took 694 US$, and converted it into THB, and came up with 25,000 THB.
Why would I be given only 19,000?
XE.com, by the way, shows that a direct conversion, not converting first into US$ should be 24,962 THB.
I went to 3 different money changers along Suk.
(I took my money back, and went to the Bank of Giotto).
Thanks G[/QUOTE]But thats the rate if your exchange Dollars to Baht not your currency it depends on how strong or week your currency is against the Baht.
eg £1= 69baht approx
where as a
$1=38 baht approx
And that's how it works.
[QUOTE=Brain666]1 Ball, according to your reports you come around in the world. However budget planning seems not to be your strengh. As Retired Army said, the direct cash exchange is a rippoff.
I thgought it is common praxis to pick the local currency from ATM's. If you have to much currency of a country you might not go back soon, then you should pay part of your hotel bill by such cash (and only keep what you need for Taxi etc.) before leaving the country. Never change back.
Thought this was common praxis.
regards
Brain666
who would never rechange his remaining baht as I will ome back for sure.[/QUOTE]I find direct cash exchange at a very good rate the best I have always found is at Bangkok airport it was better than my bank atm rate.
[QUOTE=Brain666]1 Ball, according to your reports you come around in the world. However budget planning seems not to be your strengh. [/QUOTE]
Brain, I am one of the lucky ones. I don't have a budget!.
So, I just stuck the money back into my pocket, and will use it next time in DXB, as I take out Wildcat for a romantic dinner, while Piper is in BKK, or Oz !
;)
But just to clarify, I had already paid for my hotel, when I was given the cash. So I really had no choice. I had actually asked for payment in US$, but the gentleman didn't have any. So I took the AED. Not a big deal really. Even though I don't have a budget, I am not 100% stupid!
Tiger, the rate you show is very similar to the one on XE.com. However, it just doesn't work out that way when you are in front of the exchange booth. They offered only about 7.85 or so.
[QUOTE=1Ball]Brain, I am one of the lucky ones. I don't have a budget!.
So, I just stuck the money back into my pocket, and will use it next time in DXB, as I take out Wildcat for a romantic dinner, while Piper is in BKK, or Oz !
;)
But just to clarify, I had already paid for my hotel, when I was given the cash. So I really had no choice. I had actually asked for payment in US$, but the gentleman didn't have any. So I took the AED. Not a big deal really. Even though I don't have a budget, I am not 100% stupid!
Tiger, the rate you show is very similar to the one on XE.com. However, it just doesn't work out that way when you are in front of the exchange booth. They offered only about 7.85 or so.[/QUOTE]
Since you don't seem to believe me, I just called Superrich for you and they give 9.8
They are located in the back alleys opposite of the World Trade Centre. For a small amount a bit too far, but in your case well worth it.
The Oanda page just shows how much the interbank real rate is, so that you can work out their markup.
Tiger
First report ever, will do my best:
-Oct 11-17 Pattaya. Jasmine Hotel on Soi BJ off of Walking St. Good place to stay. Thought I saw Lily Thai on motorbike. Mongering good: bar fines 200-500BHT, LT 1000-1500.
-Oct 18-25 Patong. As always, stay at C and N Hotel (Great location, $, staff, clean, girl friendly). Best special massage: Wanida MP near Starbucks. Best daytime bar: the Shipwreck on Soi Bangla. Best burger: Aussie Burger at the Aussie Bar. Mongering very good. Fines 200-500BHT, LT 1000-2000. Great selection of beautiful ladies.
-Oct 26-Nov 1 Koh Samui. Green Guest House good. Best Music: Coco Blues Sexiest Girl in Thailand: Blonde #21 at the go go bar just west of Moby Dick (she finshed me off in less than 15 minutes including 2 showers). Mongering poor, girls not hungry. Will stay away from Samui.
To put a close to my little problem, I did call Super Rich. They indeed gave me a rate of 9.8. The little alley they are in, is behind the Bangkok City Inn hotel.
I went in there, and they gave me a rate of 8.3 !!!
I told them I had called earlier, and had been given a rate of 9.8.
They then gave me a rate of 9.8.
Moral of the story, if you are not 100% sure of all the facts, you will get screwed.
Thanks Tiger, for the tip.
[QUOTE=1Ball]To put a close to my little problem, I did call Super Rich. They indeed gave me a rate of 9.8. The little alley they are in, is behind the Bangkok City Inn hotel.
I went in there, and they gave me a rate of 8.3 !!!
I told them I had called earlier, and had been given a rate of 9.8.
They then gave me a rate of 9.8.
Moral of the story, if you are not 100% sure of all the facts, you will get screwed.
Thanks Tiger, for the tip.[/QUOTE]That is where the importance of the spread comes in. I never ask only for one rate, always what is buying and selling. Then you can hardly get the wrong rate.
thanks tiger, I got an extra 4,500 BHT.
of course, as I said earlier, I had already decided to keep the money, and use it at a later date. I need the AED for my romantic date with Mrs Piper1 ;)
But, I changed the money, and plan on blowing it tonight!
[QUOTE=1Ball] I need the AED for my romantic date with Mrs Piper1 ;) [/QUOTE]In your dreams buddy! :D (although she did mention you last night. I'm starting to get worried!)
Last night out on the town, a work/mongering pal asked me the same question you asked me in Dubai: With such a honey of a wife, why would I ever want to go mongering? When you have caviar at home every day, sometimes you feel like going out for fish'n'chips. And whenever travelling, one should always try the local exotic cuisine. ;)
[QUOTE=Piper1]In your dreams buddy! :D (although she did mention you last night. I'm starting to get worried!)
[/QUOTE]
Piper, I am curious. What was the context of her mentionning me? Was it in the throes of passion, as she whispered....... " oh yes 1ball, you bad boy you"?
;)
[QUOTE=1Ball]Piper, I am curious. What was the context of her mentionning me? Was it in the throes of passion, as she whispered....... " oh yes 1ball, you bad boy you"?
;)[/QUOTE]Guys, please don't carry the Giotto's Lodge thread chit chat over here.
Tiger, all this happened in Dubai, not Livingstone's, so this is not Giotto chit chat ! this is Dubai chit chat, which is why it is in the Thailand thread ;)
Question for you cell phone people. I have an "orange" SIM card, and just realized it has an expiry date of november 17. I was going to top it up so it remain valid until my next trip, but forgot. When I return in January, after it has expired, can I top it up again, or will it be dead? Will I still have my address book intact, or will everything be gone? I am taking it out of the phone to install the SIM card I use in Indonesia.
thanks
[QUOTE=1Ball]
Question for you cell phone people. I have an "orange" SIM card, and just realized it has an expiry date of november 17. I was going to top it up so it remain valid until my next trip, but forgot. When I return in January, after it has expired, can I top it up again, or will it be dead? Will I still have my address book intact, or will everything be gone? I am taking it out of the phone to install the SIM card I use in Indonesia.
thanks[/QUOTE]
If you top off your Orange card, it should extend term; at least in most other countries that is how prepaids works.
Ask G or someone to buy top off card (rub off to get pin number), pm your number to him and he'll top off for you.
If you wait till Jan, again depends on carrier; in most cases, it's dead but address book should still be intact. I would back up sim card address to your phone just to make sure!
You should be able to do the same from overseas but I assume you don't have customer service contact, etc.
Tuned in just now for my weekly dose of Stick, and it appears the entire site has been taken off air - and evidently not for technical reasons.
1Ball,
Don't know if all the networks have the same policies in Thailand, but I've never had any probs with my Cheap Charlie DTAC sim card. On arrival, I just 'fill her up' and she's good to drive :).
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[QUOTE=Gaienmae]Tuned in just now for my weekly dose of Stick, and it appears the entire site has been taken off air - and evidently not for technical reasons.[/QUOTE]Interesting - Coma Boy's morallydiminished.********.com is also off-air as of today. Who's next?
I have always used 1 2 call sim cards that have eventually expired. All the info remains current on the sim as do SMS messages. Messages will be wiped out once you remove the card from the phone.
Pattaya beach road -
Interesting thing though is that the beach road scene seems to be back up - like they were just doing the extensive patrolling for some media even in pattaya. At least there were significant numbers out there after 10pm saying "Halllooo"
[QUOTE=Piper1]Interesting - Coma Boy's morallydiminished.********.com is also off-air as of today. Who's next?[/QUOTE]Piper1,
just checked it - it is up again.
Giotto
[QUOTE=Jatan]Stick has been getting his ass kicked lately by notstickmanbangkok.com. Quite fun to read really. Besides, old Stick can't write English to save his life. Just another loser falang in BKK.[/QUOTE]hohum, thought the old Stick was getting rather full of himself in recent months. I read it mainly for the reader's contributions (have to get my titillation somewhere). Though I must say it gave me my first theoretical introduction to Thailand's fun side which I am now finally able to try myself.
Hi,
I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in February/March and I'm curious what a good airfare would be. Right now I'm getting $900.00-$1000.00 fares from both Boston and New York. Is this a fair price or is this high? I'd like to think I could get a $600.00RT fare, but I may be dreaming too. Haha. You people see the rates all the time, what's the average fare and what's a good fare?
Thanks and I really enjoy reading all of your postings.
Have a great week!
Nhscotsman
[QUOTE=Nhscotsman]Hi,
I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in February/March and I'm curious what a good airfare would be. Right now I'm getting $900.00-$1000.00 fares from both Boston and New York.
Try this link I just got a quote of $600 for Feb 1 departure SFO to BKK on EVA Air $655 on China Airlines. Return date was May 15.
[url]http://www.asia.com[/url]
In February you should be able to get a round trip direct flight from JFK to BKK for around $1,000. This is a non-stop 17 hour flight on Thai Airways and beats the hell out of flying to the west coast first then to Japan or Korea, changing planes and then onto BKK. I had rather pay an extra $100 and shorten the flight by about 7 hours. The Thai Airways flight arrives in BKK around 5 PM while most of the others get thjere around 11 PM to midnight. I have booked this flight for Feb. 1st.
[QUOTE=Oyster Lover][QUOTE=Nhscotsman]Hi,
I'm planning a trip to Bangkok in February/March and I'm curious what a good airfare would be. Right now I'm getting $900.00-$1000.00 fares from both Boston and New York.
Try this link I just got a quote of $600 for Feb 1 departure SFO to BKK on EVA Air $655 on China Airlines. Return date was May 15.
[url]http://www.asia.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Oyster lover, the Thai air website shows the non stop to cost 1156US$.
As Capt JB says, the extra 100 or so will be well worth it. 1 flight instead of 3, it is a no brainer.
Cheaptickets, and Orbitz are 1165$.
Have fun.
Other than the 7 or 8 hour saving by flying non stop NewYork to Bangkok, what is Thai Airways like? Are they decent or are they just another slap you in the seat, give you some nuts and a can of Coke type of airline?
Nhscotsman
[QUOTE=Nhscotsman]Other than the 7 or 8 hour saving by flying non stop NewYork to Bangkok, what is Thai Airways like? Are they decent or are they just another slap you in the seat, give you some nuts and a can of Coke type of airline?
Nhscotsman[/QUOTE]Its a great airline. I flew on them from Japan to Bkk, Really great service. One thing I love about international airlines is the uniforms they wear. Im from the US and hate the complete asexual style uniforms they have on most major arilines. But the Thai air service is superb. Its all about your comfort.
I haven't been to Phuket or Samui for about 12 years, although I've been to LOS about 10 times in that period.
Which of the islands or beach destinations would you guys rate the highest for hobbyists other than Pattaya, which I don't really like so much anymore. I'd rather stay in BKK than go there, but I want to get to a beach and still be able to pull some beauties without too much hassle.
[QUOTE=Naughty]I haven't been to Phuket or Samui for about 12 years, although I've been to LOS about 10 times in that period.
Which of the islands or beach destinations would you guys rate the highest for hobbyists other than Pattaya, which I don't really like so much anymore. I'd rather stay in BKK than go there, but I want to get to a beach and still be able to pull some beauties without too much hassle.[/QUOTE]I was in Phuket in March and really liked it. The beaches are nice and the women were of good quality. Met several that were very nice. That would be my nod. Just make sure you stay near Patong Beach. Bangla Soi is where the action is. They have a Holiday Inn right by Bangla Soi.
[QUOTE=Nhscotsman]Other than the 7 or 8 hour saving by flying non stop NewYork to Bangkok, what is Thai Airways like? Are they decent or are they just another slap you in the seat, give you some nuts and a can of Coke type of airline?
Nhscotsman[/QUOTE]
Thai Airways is great. The seats seem to give you a little more room than those on Cathy Pacific and the service is 2nd. to none. Nice looking cabin crew. I flew JFK to BKK and back in February and have booked them again for my 2007 February trip. One plus is that the flight arrives in BKK around 5 pm and there was not that many at customes & imigration. The Cathy Pacific, Northwest, & one other airline all have jumbo jets arrive between 11 pm & midnight causing long lines at imigration. One other plus is on a direct flight there is a lot less chance of your bags getting lost.
The food on Thai Airways is good and you can always go to the galley for snacks ect. It will save you several hours of flight time and one change of planes as well.
I don't know if this is the right place but anyway.
[url]http://travel.news.yahoo.com/b/rolf_potts/rolf_potts10387[/url]
1. Americans: Ignorant. Loud. Oblivious to surroundings. Insincere.
2. French: Rude. Bigoted. A trifle out of touch with reality.
3. Germans: Humorless. Rule-obsessed. Unfriendly. Stubborn.
4. Israelis: Rude. Cheap. Arrogant. Cliquish.
5. Canadians: Exactly like Americans, but more soft-spoken, more polite, less ignorant, and twenty times more boring.
[QUOTE=Buzz00]I don't know if this is the right place but anyway. [/QUOTE]
That's just one guy's opinion, seems about 20 years out of date.
Evil
[QUOTE=Oyster Lover]
Try this link I just got a quote of $600 for Feb 1 departure SFO to BKK on EVA Air $655 on China Airlines. Return date was May 15.
[url]http://www.asia.com[/url][/QUOTE]
Problem with the prices on [url]www.asia.com[/url] is that they don't include taxes and fees, which amount to $242 for the EVA flight on the dates you specified. Total price for SF0-BKK-SFO would be $900. Also, until you actually try to buy the ticket, you don't know if that price holds. Asia.com often says in the final booking and payment step that no seats are available at that price and suggests a higher price.
If you can get ar/t from the East Coast for under $1,000, you are very lucky. Right now, best all-inclusive prices seem to be between $1,100 and $1,200, at least for reasonable travel dates.
Evil
Are those prices one way? round trip?
Well, I have had some interesting experiences to share regarding meeting and dealing with a thail gf.
I joined asiabynight.com and asiafriendfinder.com in hopes of 'meeting' a friend prior to leaving for the land of LOS. I found that I received MANY more rsponses from asiabynight BUT the girl i finally met up with was a friend of someone at asiafriendfinder.
I had high hopes for one from asia by night until I found out that she lived in her uncles house with her sister..... her uncle was away for a year or so, and she lived on a military base. For the sake of my physical wellbeing, I decided to NOT meet her and her sister, regardless of how much she wanted to meet me.
Another from asiafriendfinder responded back saying she was not available to meet me, but a friend would be available. We exchanged pictures and chatted via phone and email. We met at my hotel and from there we traveled together for a few days.
It took a little time, but I learned the importance of being patient and understanding when we had language problems.
One problem was I like a/c she didn't. I won that one.
She had two notebooks in whcih she had both thai and english expressions. she really wanted to impove her english. In her book I founbd some interesting expressions, 99% were typical touristy daily expressions that were good to know. Then there were others, such as "my vagina is sore, no more please" or "no condom, no sex" or "your penis is too big" and yes, she was VERY tight. I did suggest a few additions to her book.
I assume many Thai girls have books like this. I'd be interested in any feedback.
It was difficult to break some of her habits. When I wanted to go some places she INSISTED on going by bus, that taxi was too expensive and she refused to let me waste my money. I was shopping at a market and found a nice scarf for a friend back home, perfect colors, I let her do the negotiations (I always let her negotiate and am certain I saved some money). The price was 600 thb. I felt it was very reasonable considering the quality and colors of the scarf. I went to buy its, she pulled me away and yelled at the person telling me how the person was a thief and I should never buy anything from them. So much for a nice present.
When I tried buying her presents she refused. Said they were toooooo expensive!!! Can you imagine an American girl saying that?
Other experiences included after getting back to our room, I would take off my shoes. Within moments my shoes would be neatly placed in the closet. A few minutes later I'd take off my socks, and yes, you guessed it, my socks were neatly folded on top of my shoes. Can you imagine an American gf doing that LOLOL
While going out to dinner one night she ran into an old friend she had not seen in a few years. While the two were chatting I chatted with her friend's Aussie husband. I told him some of my experiences and he asked if she was my first thai gf. I told him yes and he assured me that they were all that good. He has been married a few years and she still does everything for him. Amazing!!!!
I guess i wasn't in Kansas anymore.
Not sure what to conclude, other than I had a great time. Only downside was being with only one girl... life could have been worse.
I tried to take a few ISG quality pixs, but she refused. Please don't ask for contact info, she asked me not to give out her mobile numbers. Amazing, they all seem to have 2 or 3 cell numbers.
If I sound a little rambling, sorry.
[QUOTE=Buzz00]I don't know if this is the right place but anyway.
[url]http://travel.news.yahoo.com/b/rolf_potts/rolf_potts10387[/url]
1. Americans: Ignorant. Loud. Oblivious to surroundings. Insincere.
2. French: Rude. Bigoted. A trifle out of touch with reality.
3. Germans: Humorless. Rule-obsessed. Unfriendly. Stubborn.
4. Israelis: Rude. Cheap. Arrogant. Cliquish.
5. Canadians: Exactly like Americans, but more soft-spoken, more polite, less ignorant, and twenty times more boring.[/QUOTE]
Are you a yob or a chav? :)
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]Are you a yob or a chav? :)[/QUOTE]
Can you recommend a nice GF hotel on or near Soi 33?
Interesting info.. I'm interested in the success with asiafriendfinder, though never tried asiabynight. I HAVE tried adultfriendfinder, which personally I find a complete waste of time.. I have had much higher % success with simple yahoo, or friendster type websites.
As for the military base thing.. this is not as scary as it sounds.. I had/have a thai gf whose sister works in a medical job in a military base in BKK, and they are pretty easy going.. anyone can go in/out by car, and it's not what you would think.. in any case if you were accompanied by her, there would be no prob., and if on your own, nobody really questions what a lone farang is doing walking around the permissable area of a complex.. but i guess it all comes down to following your gut.
[QUOTE=Fred Gold]I joined asiabynight.com and asiafriendfinder.com in hopes of 'meeting' a friend prior to leaving for the land of LOS. I found that I received MANY more rsponses from asiabynight BUT the girl i finally met up with was a friend of someone at asiafriendfinder.
I had high hopes for one from asia by night until I found out that she lived in her uncles house with her sister..... her uncle was away for a year or so, and she lived on a military base. For the sake of my physical wellbeing, I decided to NOT meet her and her sister, regardless of how much she wanted to meet me.
If I sound a little rambling, sorry.[/QUOTE]
EVA and China air both add the fees and taxes to the "advertised" price. They usually amount to $200 or so.
Depending on where you are, you can get better deals by going thru the various Asian travel agents in your area. If you can't find one, take a look at a Sunday paper from LA, NY, SEA or SFO (maybe even LAS - but the "local" Asian population is pretty limited compared to the others) travel section and there should be lots of ads there.
United has a sale, from east coast to Singapore (close to bkk) 796usd including all taxes and fees!!! Not bad dep dec 5 or 6 return dec 11 or 12.
I have trip EWR-BKK-EWR on EVA confirmed at $1,304 in Evergreen Deluxe, including all taxes, service charges, etc. Outbound second week January, returning two weeks later. Best I could do on any carrier in economy from NYC in that time frame was $1,050 and I'll gladly pay an extra $250 for the comfort of Evergreen Deluxe. Plus EVA has a great departure time from EWR - 11.15 p.m., which means I have a good chance of sleeping quite a bit of the flight (natural tiredness is the best sedative). arrival time in BKK is also good, around noon local time.
Evil
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]I have trip EWR-BKK-EWR on EVA confirmed at $1,304 in Evergreen Deluxe, including all taxes, service charges, etc. Outbound second week January, returning two weeks later. Best I could do on any carrier in economy from NYC in that time frame was $1,050 and I'll gladly pay an extra $250 for the comfort of Evergreen Deluxe. Plus EVA has a great departure time from EWR - 11.15 p.m., which means I have a good chance of sleeping quite a bit of the flight (natural tiredness is the best sedative). arrival time in BKK is also good, around noon local time.
Evil[/QUOTE]
If I remember correctly, this flight connects via Seattle then Taipei and historically leaves late. Not a problem outbound but returning home...?
Just an fyi
Got here yesterday, and the Thai Baht has been climbing like crazy against the dollar. Can't even get 36 Baht to the dollar anymore - this sucks! Last time I was here, I was getting 41. My $17 BJ is costing me 20 now!
Yeah I noticed the Baht going up.. surely it has to hurt their export market??! I noticed Vietnam just slashed the price of their Dong to make exports more competitive.. the Thai economy is going well, but if their exports become too expensive, they will loose out to China, VN, etc.
On the monger front, yeah those little increments make a difference!! lol..
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Got here yesterday, and the Thai Baht has been climbing like crazy against the dollar. Can't even get 36 Baht to the dollar anymore - this sucks! Last time I was here, I was getting 41. My $17 BJ is costing me 20 now![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Got here yesterday, and the Thai Baht has been climbing like crazy against the dollar. Can't even get 36 Baht to the dollar anymore. This sucks! Last time I was here, I was getting 41. My $17 BJ is costing me 20 now! [/QUOTE]Interesting question. May be some expert here can advise us. From my side I can ad that in 1996 the baht was 25 US then after the financial crasch in Thailand 50 US then back today 36. The new baby currency the euro started 36 today 47. 5. I am not a expert but looking some price in Thailand and living cost and considering the minium weidge of Baht 6000. The average salary of a good mid range job in Bangkok Baht 30. 000 TO 40. 000 for thais and considering that the half of the population 30 Millions thais leave on minimum 6000 per month this thai baht is to high and some insiders consider again a crash in the thai baht as 1996.
As I said I am not a expert but something is wrong with the Thai Baht. But what? Somebody know?
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Got here yesterday, and the Thai Baht has been climbing like crazy against the dollar. Can't even get 36 Baht to the dollar anymore - this sucks! Last time I was here, I was getting 41. My $17 BJ is costing me 20 now![/QUOTE]
It was 39bht in October when my American friend changed his $. I was getting around 69-70bht for £ and we still are.
If you don't go then it will give me more girls to have fun with.
In BKK town for a few days, and noticed the USD exchange rate is about 35.3-5 bahts. I was in BKK several months ago, and it was still 38. I calculate a typical Nana Plaza screw will cost a fortune now for you Americans.
2000 lady ST
600 pay bar
300 ST room
300 drinks
total 3200 or about 90 USD
or a typical sideline girl at Ratchada 2500-3500
which is 70-100 USD plus tip
With these prices now, BKK can be even more expensive in ladies than HK, Macau, or Singapore ect all these first world destinations, which really offer lots more variety and quality of ladies than Thailand as well as a more vibrant nightlife.
With the extreme high Thai bahts, for cheaper and quality hunting, it seems China has quickly become the leader of this industries in Asia. I made a few trips to Chengdu, Choqqin, Dalian, Chingdao, Zuhai ect in China this 2 years, I was also very impressed with the cost/quality performance in China. At the same times, Thailand is getting so bad in this cost/quality performance field. To me its becoming less and less attractive to come here for night fun.
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]In BKK town for a few days, and noticed the USD exchange rate is about 35.3-5 bahts. I was in BKK several months ago, and it was still 38. I calculate a typical Nana Plaza screw will cost a fortune now for you Americans. ...
[/QUOTE]RCA Knight,
Yes, a fortune! A pirates treasure!
The SGD moved (nearly) parallel to the THB. That makes the Singapore girls cheaper, or not?
In Hongkong you pay in Wanchai approx. 2,000 HKG, for LT. That is for sure much less than THB 2,000.
The THB just moved a maximum of 13 % against the US$ this year. 13 % of THB 2,000.00 - that is really a lot, from the mongering POV!
When I will stay in New York next time I will try to eat a pizza from that difference.
Giotto
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]In BKK town for a few days, and noticed the USD exchange rate is about 35.3-5 bahts. I was in BKK several months ago, and it was still 38. I calculate a typical Nana Plaza screw will cost a fortune now for you Americans.
2000 lady ST
600 pay bar
300 ST room
300 drinks
total 3200 or about 90 USD
or a typical sideline girl at Ratchada 2500-3500
which is 70-100 USD plus tip
With these prices now, BKK can be even more expensive in ladies than HK, Macau, or Singapore ect all these first world destinations, which really offer lots more variety and quality of ladies than Thailand as well as a more vibrant nightlife.
With the extreme high Thai bahts, for cheaper and quality hunting, it seems China has quickly become the leader of this industries in Asia. I made a few trips to Chengdu, Choqqin, Dalian, Chingdao, Zuhai ect in China this 2 years, I was also very impressed with the cost/quality performance in China. At the same times, Thailand is getting so bad in this cost/quality performance field. To me its becoming less and less attractive to come here for night fun.[/QUOTE]Well its not the THB that have gone up its USD that is down so wherever you go you aren’t getting the bang for the buck that you got 2-3 years ago.
But yes the chance to get a good performance in bed from a Chinese girl is % much better (IMOP) than from a TG, but the fun factor in China if you don’t speak Chinese….well hmm fun?
But if you know some place in China where you can sit and have a beer in the middle of the day surrounded by hot and willing girls or a place where you can choose your girl for the evening like in Nana Plaza please let me know.
And the prices aren’t that much better than in LOS.
In a Sauna/massage i pay around 3000 THB , the ones sent to the hotel room 2000 THB ST and around 1000 THB ST in some other places. (if I convert RMB to THB) and this was 1 moth ago.
But its possible that I overpay, I don’t know.
Yo bro,
I reckon its not so much on the price.
It more of a personal preference.
I find Thai girls are more passionate on what they do.
Specially when they call you "Honey", "Darlin'"...etc haha
Thai girls are fun to be with.
But you are right on the bar fine, I think they should get rid of the bar fine system.
However at the end of the day, someone got to make a living out of it. Haaa
frankly, some don't really care if it is 90$, 60$ or 125$.
it is all about having a good time.
One could go to Chinatown and have a ST in the afternoon for 9$, (yes, that's nine), so it averages out to only 50 or 60 per girl.
or one could stay home and jack off to WR's pics!
I have talked to many TGs who fly to SIN for 2 weeks, and get 4,000 Bt ST.
I think some brothels in Cambodia charge 3$ or 5$.
I'll stick to BKK, pay whatever the hell I feel like, and have a good time!
[QUOTE=Giotto]RCA Knight,
Yes, a fortune! A pirates treasure!
The SGD moved (nearly) parallel to the THB. That makes the Singapore girls cheaper, or not?
In Hongkong you pay in Wanchai approx. 2,000 HKG, for LT. That is for sure much less than THB 2,000.
The THB just moved a maximum of 13 % against the US$ this year. 13 % of THB 2,000.00 - that is really a lot, from the mongering POV!
When I will stay in New York next time I will try to eat a pizza from that difference.
Giotto[/QUOTE]
G, you mean ONE SLICE of pizza.
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]...2000 lady ST...[/QUOTE]
This scares me coming from you as previously your info has been good, but 2,000 ST for a lady is way off, even for Nana, and even for the Rainbow bars which are amongst the highest.
ST can be had in Nana, from good looking, sexy girls for 1,000 with a bit of negotiation, although hit and miss depending on bar, girl, time etc. But the max for ST without any negotiation, is 1,500 Baht. These are prices i get quoted and pay, i am middle aged and overweight, so it ain't no hansom man thing, If they say 2,000 to me, i simply smile, and explain its actually a 1,000, but you're cute, so i'll give you 500 hundred more. 100% hit rate, and this only applies to Rainbow bars where 2,000 has even been quoted. Even Angelwitch quote 1,500.
Having said that it's a difference of 10-20 USD, so as 1ball said, most people don't care.
I have been to Thailand 6 times in the past 2 years, I am no spring chicken, no great bodied lad but the most I have paid is about 1500baht long time, I would say on average 1000baht, I was last in Los in March this year and am two weeks away from returning so look forward to seeing whats happening. I rarely bar fine (unless I see a 10/10) but talk to the girl and arrange to meet afterwards, buyh a little food some drink and most are so happy in the morning with the 1000baht, pay some attention to these ladies and most will respond.
About the 2000 baht ST, I was talking about the quality ones in Nana like these in the Rainbows. Each store has about 4-5 of them, and they are very firm on the ST price of 2000. Others will go for 1500 no problem. But with the cost of the girl rising compared to 5 years ago(about 5 yaers ago almost all were willing to go at 1000 ST in Nana or Soi Cow and many nice massage sideliners were still around 2000 bahts everywhere), I find the recent cost rise in these recent years do not match up with the quality, on the contrary, I definitely feel the quality in Thailand is slipping every year but the cost of ladies are rising every year, much more than the inflation itself.
About China scenes. Many people think its hard to find action without speaking Chinese, but I think its not true. I speak about 30 word now, I learned after I discovered China 2 yaers ago. There are actions all over in every single town of the country. And there is one big big plus, there is a huge freebie scene in China. There are always many ordinary girls who like to become your friends becasue you are foriegners. So I find both pay senee and free scene both very exciting in China.
The reason I brough up China is that it is directly competing with Thailand in this fireld. The Asian mongers have known China for many yeras, now the western mongers also have invaded China in recent years. In all the popular towns there are tons of western hunters that are shifting their focus from other destinations like Thailand, Brazil, to China.
The China girls atitude vary from heaven to hell, so it's true every session is hit or miss. But the quality and availability is much greater than Thailand. There are even 24 hours saunas or karaokes or lady houses in most towns. Also the discos and pubs are full of pros, amatures, and freebies, I had quite a few freelance stunners that cost less than a ST screw in Nana Plaza, and I had some really heavenly beauty stay with me for a few days and simply asked me to take her for a short trip. Also Had many ordinary nice company girls that would stay with me simply she wants some foriegn friends, never ask me for a penny.
So just to say there must be a reason why so many guys are making their ways to China recent years, I discovered it myself 2 years ago. I avoid Shanghai, Shenzen, Guangzou, Beijing areas, I love these northeastern towns in China like Dalian, Qingdao, Shenyang, Harbin, absolute beauty for less than 50 USD a night and most of them have good atitude, and tons of freebie students all over to be had. I think if Thailand as a whole don't slash their price systems in this field, they are losing the competitive edges to other countries. Now I feel a typical semi-cutie sideliner in Rachada would cost you over 3000 bahts to 4500 bahts for a 90 min session or a Nana semi-cutie will cost over 1500 plus 600 pay bar for just an hour, is getting rediculous expensive for the quality on the offer in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]Got here yesterday, and the Thai Baht has been climbing like crazy against the dollar. Can't even get 36 Baht to the dollar anymore - this sucks! Last time I was here, I was getting 41. My $17 BJ is costing me 20 now![/QUOTE]
Its not the Thai baht but the US dollar that is dropping like a stone in water almost against all world's currencies.
News today on tourist travel to US will increase as oversea currency now makes the US a bargain destination for most.
Yes, like you, last year, I was getting over 41b to the US dollar.
PT
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]About the 2000 baht ST, I was talking about the quality ones in Nana like these in the Rainbows. Each store has about 4-5 of them, and they are very firm on the ST price of 2000. Others will go for 1500 no problem. But with the cost of the girl rising compared to 5 years ago(about 5 yaers ago almost all were willing to go at 1000 ST in Nana or Soi Cow and many nice massage sideliners were still around 2000 bahts everywhere), I find the recent cost rise in these recent years do not match up with the quality, on the contrary, I definitely feel the quality in Thailand is slipping every year but the cost of ladies are rising every year, much more than the inflation itself.
About China scenes. Many people think its hard to find action without speaking Chinese, but I think its not true. I speak about 30 word now, I learned after I discovered China 2 yaers ago. There are actions all over in every single town of the country. And there is one big big plus, there is a huge freebie scene in China. There are always many ordinary girls who like to become your friends becasue you are foriegners. So I find both pay senee and free scene both very exciting in China.
The reason I brough up China is that it is directly competing with Thailand in this fireld. The Asian mongers have known China for many yeras, now the western mongers also have invaded China in recent years. In all the popular towns there are tons of western hunters that are shifting their focus from other destinations like Thailand, Brazil, to China.
to RCA
I agree cost of monger is going up every year I think the cost is driving up by the japanese that go there and paid the high price , I am chinese from US with the dollar is getting weaker by the day thailand is not a bargin anymore.
I disagree on mongering is easy in china , I go to china 5 time a year for business and I go to bangkok every yr last 12 yr , bar and gogo is out in the open and is easy to find actions but in china if you are new in the area you need to do alot of searching .
I speak chinese the first time that I went to china even I have problem finding actions but for value and quality I think china is better if you know where to go .
fast eddie 48
Quote Fast Eddie<<I speak chinese the first time that I went to china even I have problem finding actions but for value and quality I think china is better if you know where to go.>>
Yes I agree China scene is not wide open right in front of your eyes like in Thailand. But a few monger over-run destinations like Shenzen, Zuhai, Dongguang, Shanghai ect are pretty close to it, even first timers can easily get lady anytimes. But the sex scene is still everywhere in every big and small town, it just takes some times to familarize. I learned my precious China lessons by paying some tuitions--overpaying and commissions ect from my earlier trips to northern China, but I am getting much smarter now. Yes, if you know the scenes and know what are the good cities to go and where to go, China now is a much much better deal than Thailand in cost, quality and variety, but may take a little more time to be a China-pro than to be a Thai-pro.
Can somebody help me? I did see something a month ago about new dialing (code) procedure from international to a thai mobile, something of an extra digit or something like that?
Btw, I have been dialing 011-661-xxxxxxx
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[QUOTE=RCA Knight]Quote Fast Eddie<<I speak chinese the first time that I went to china even I have problem finding actions but for value and quality I think china is better if you know where to go.>>
Yes I agree China scene is not wide open right in front of your eyes like in Thailand. But a few monger over-run destinations like Shenzen, Zuhai, Dongguang, Shanghai ect are pretty close to it, even first timers can easily get lady anytimes. But the sex scene is still everywhere in every big and small town, it just takes some times to familarize. I learned my precious China lessons by paying some tuitions--overpaying and commissions ect from my earlier trips to northern China, but I am getting much smarter now. Yes, if you know the scenes and know what are the good cities to go and where to go, China now is a much much better deal than Thailand in cost, quality and variety, but may take a little more time to be a China-pro than to be a Thai-pro.[/QUOTE]
to RCA
I was in china just last month there is a big crack down in shenzhen last week
as china enconomy is growing they have trying to clean up the sex industrial or try to keep at in control , but in thailand the goverment look the other way
but the cost of mongering is up 100% from 12 year ago .
I agree you really know where to go to get the best deal and I love chinese girl offer better girl friend experience but thai lady are better in bed.
fast eddie 48
Prior to landing for good in LOS, having family in Hong Kong I consistently visited Hong Kong year after year and the first time in Shenzen nearly 20 years ago it was like the wild wild west. Now it is a huge city looking to follow the steps of Singapore. The money ratio is 8-1 vs. 36 to 1 Baht. So the value still better in Thailand. As for P4P I still think of the times my cousins would take me to a small town just outside Shenzen, we would dine with the Governor, mayor and chief of police of the province eating dog, cat, snake and drinking snake blood lace with whiskey then head to my cousin secret condo and play strip poker and have an orgy with the girls. My cousin use to show porn video's to the girls to show them what was expected and we had the best time in China. I hope to make a visit next year to check things out again in Hong Kong and China before the O-games in 2008. I hate to see the prices after the games just like Korea. I will never be the same again after 2008.
LBM
Question LBM........do you feel that "eating dog, cat, snake" was a real good pre orgy meal? Do you feel this intensified the sexual experience for you? Did the dog meat want to make you howl at the moon after the BJ?...or did the cat make you want to meow after a good fuck? I'm just curious.
LB#2
To answer your questions it didn't do any of those things but when your are dining with the local officials you try to be polite and go with the flow of things. Regardless in the end they provided all the girls and fun times and great sex so disgesting and having to howl and meow a little I do it again and again!
LBM
[QUOTE=RCA Knight]..definitely feel the quality in Thailand is slipping every year but the cost of ladies are rising every year, much more than the inflation itself...[/QUOTE]
I agree, i think you'll agree it's not about whether a monger can afford it or not, or whether a monger scrimps and saves, or throws it around, a bag of chips is only worth a bag of chips.
[QUOTE=MilesToGo]Can somebody help me? I did see something a month ago about new dialing (code) procedure from international to a thai mobile, something of an extra digit or something like that?
Btw, I have been dialing 011-661-xxxxxxx[/QUOTE]
All mobile phone numbers have changed since the 1st of December, you need to add an 8 after the 0. So if the number was 06 123 4567 It is now 086 123 4567, to dial from abroad it would now be +6686 123 4567.
In your example you need to dial 011 6681 xxxxxxx
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]LB#2
To answer your questions it didn't do any of those things but when your are dining with the local officials you try to be polite and go with the flow of things. Regardless in the end they provided all the girls and fun times and great sex so disgesting and having to howl and meow a little I do it again and again!
LBM[/QUOTE]
I appreciate your honest answer, but I personally wouldn't eat man's best friend or the cousin of Garfield for the best pussy the world has to offer. You know, it is bad luck to eat a friend or to eat the pussy before you actually eat the pussy.
"Depending on the country, domestic animals, including dogs, may be protected under national, state, provincial, and local legislation. In some countries, no protective legislation exists. There are no internationally agreed upon humane standards, and existing legislation is often difficult to enforce. Fortunately, in most places around the world, however, dogs continue to enjoy an elevated place in society. Along with their loyalty and companionship, their contributions as service dogs, search and rescue, drug trafficking, and police dogs are well acknowledged. Their devotion and intelligence are highly recognized. Especially since dogs have been domesticated for thousands of years, it is our social and moral responsibility to provide them with care and protection.
Cruelty is another problem. In many countries, dogs are farmed for commercial enterprise and human consumption. According to the International Aid for Korean Animals/Korean Animal Protection Society, more than 2.6 million dogs and cats are killed in South Korea each year for human consumption. Many dogs suffer a slow, inhumane death, as it is believed by some that torture before death makes the meat tastier. Also, dogs suffer from stress and disease while being farmed and transported in cramped conditions.
Both dog and cat consumption and the puppy mill trade are driven by economic incentives which conflict with basic animal welfare considerations. Cats and dogs should not be treated as commodities to be massed produced for consumer markets".
The above is just offered as some thoughts to ponder....and so is the below.
[url]http://www.ifaw.org/ifaw/general/default.aspx?oid=198036[/url]
No comment is necessary. I am not trying to start a war.....but consumption of cats and dogs bothers me, as do issues of child prostitution, transmission of STD's and sick fucks eating turds. There are some very evil things in this world.
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]..but consumption of cats and dogs bothers me....[/QUOTE]
They are eaten in the northern regions of Thailand ! In many isaan villages there will be a pick up truck that drives around picking up dogs in exchange for plastic items such as a washing bowl. I asked why they don't just round up the strays and eat them, but apparently they don't taste as nice and there is some bad luck in it.
Also all of the reasons you give for not eating a dog surely apply to a chicken, a fish, a pig, a cow, a duck, a shrimp, a crab etc. Okay none of these serve as Police dogs, or search dogs, but they are none the less animals (or reptiles or whatever :D) sentenced to inhumane deaths, mass produced for consumption, and usually transported in cramped conditions. Don't get me wrong, i'm a dog lover, I would never (knowingly) eat dog, i hate cats, but wouldn't (knowingly) eat them either. I eat a lot of the other stuff, but fail to see why dogs should be offered special treatment over the others.
All the LOS vs China posts - imho, don't forget Jakarta. Still best bang for your buck.....
[QUOTE=Meaty]They are eaten in the northern regions of Thailand . Don't get me wrong, i'm a dog lover, I would never (knowingly) eat dog, i hate cats, but wouldn't (knowingly) eat them either. I eat a lot of the other stuff, but fail to see why dogs should be offered special treatment over the others.[/QUOTE]
Its all a matter of what the mind considers acceptable to eat and how adventurous you are.
I often try almost anything in different countries (only if i see it hygenic).
China: tried fried scorpion, and lizards and rats.
HK: had snake (cooked) but didnt try the cup of snake blood (as it was raw) and pigeon.
Auzzie: had kangaroo steak
Cambodia: many types of bugs and I think worms (not sure as it was all fried)
US: alligator meat, and bison (buffalo) steak in Wyoming (or was it Montana?)
and the list goes on (and of course in Thailand: pussy)
I dont mind trying dog meat if offered on the menu. They serve in in Chiang Mai and I'll give it a try on my next visit. Didnt know they serve cats though?
Note: I never owned a dog so it dont bother me, but can understand why some may be reluctant.
PT
[QUOTE=Meaty]
All mobile phone numbers have changed since the 1st of December, you need to add an 8 after the 0. So if the number was 06 123 4567 It is now 086 123 4567, to dial from abroad it would now be +6686 123 4567.
In your example you need to dial 011 6681 xxxxxxx[/QUOTE]
I use a prepay service from the US where I save phone numbers for a quick dial of sorts.
I have not modified any numbers to add the "8" and all my calls have gone through.
I have not modified the numbers cause its not broken and why fix it.
[QUOTE=Rebad]I use a prepay service from the US where I save phone numbers for a quick dial of sorts.
I have not modified any numbers to add the "8" and all my calls have gone through.
I have not modified the numbers cause its not broken and why fix it.[/QUOTE]
There was a transitional period from 1st September to 1st December where both systems were in place, since the 1st of December, i have had to use the 8 digit everytime, (I’m in Bangkok) otherwise i get a womans voice saying "please dial 08 in front of the phone number you are calling, please try again".
Maybe you made your calls before the 1st ?
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]All the LOS vs China posts - imho, don't forget Jakarta. Still best bang for your buck.....[/QUOTE]
I realize this may not be the appropriate place to follow up on this, but are there very inexpensive options in Jakarta? I often read the reports there and everything sounds so expensive - 300,000-1,000,000! Any cheap areas or streetwalkers? I don't like to pay more than $15 US, and $10 is better.
LB#2
When I made the comment of eating dog, cat, etc... it was not to say how proud I was to have done it! But was just in reference and comment on what we are all here to talk about P4P!
I appreciate your comments and opinions but I don't judge nor do I lecture anyone on this board but I think it is a little unfair to me and anyone reading this board that after you lecture your ask for " No comment is necessary "
everyone has their opinions and other would consider it a big difference when it comes to animals vs. child prositution etc...
If I offended anyone I am sincerely sorry! but I didn't expect an reaction from anyone especially from a site pertaining to sex! Which by the way is illegal here the last time I heard but not enforced!
I certainly made the remark, you responded and ask a question and I answer it! In the future if you don't like what you read just don't respond! and I certainly do not want to take this to the fight club nor do I want Jackson to start a new thread - Dog and Cat fight!
We all live in glass houses! so enjoy what we are all here to do!
LBM
[QUOTE=Opebo]I realize this may not be the appropriate place to follow up on this, but are there very inexpensive options in Jakarta? I often read the reports there and everything sounds so expensive - 300,000-1,000,000! Any cheap areas or streetwalkers? I don't like to pay more than $15 US, and $10 is better.[/QUOTE]
At that price point - Cambodia
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]At that price point - Cambodia[/QUOTE]
Yes, I'm aware of that, and have visited. But I was asking about that level on Indonesia. I can get short time for those prices in Thailand easily, and Indonesia is much poorer. I know that doesn't always follow, but it seems there should be cheap sex there.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes, I'm aware of that, and have visited. But I was asking about that level on Indonesia. I can get short time for those prices in Thailand easily, and Indonesia is much poorer. I know that doesn't always follow, but it seems there should be cheap sex there.[/QUOTE]
Sorry, can't help you with cheap pussy....not my thing.
[QUOTE=Opebo]Yes, I'm aware of that, and have visited. But I was asking about that level on Indonesia. [/QUOTE]It's a bit of an "off-the-wall" suggestion, but have you tried looking whether this excellent website has a section on Indonesia too?
[quote=opebo]i realize this may not be the appropriate place to follow up on this, but are there very inexpensive options in jakarta? i often read the reports there and everything sounds so expensive - 300,000-1,000,000! any cheap areas or streetwalkers? i don't like to pay more than $15 us, and $10 is better.[/quote]
i think you're right, this isn't the appropriate forum. at least crap isn't being dumped into a photo forum (always a pet peeve of mine). i'm thinking that when you factor in the current necessary costs of airfare and (to a lesser extent) hotels anywhere in asia, then you need obtain a hundred freebies before your average cost comes down to the $15 us range. hope this helps, and good luck in your endevors. please write us a report if you have any success :)
[QUOTE=Rebad]I use a prepay service from the US where I save phone numbers for a quick dial of sorts.
I have not modified any numbers to add the "8" and all my calls have gone through.
I have not modified the numbers cause its not broken and why fix it.[/QUOTE]I beleive you just add the 8 if calling mobile numbers in Thailand. From outide Thailand you still just dial 0066
Incorrect! The extra 8 is still required for calls from outside Thailand.
My recent experiences concerning phones in and out of Thailand.
When calling within Thailand. If you were calling this cell phone number in the past (09-123-4567) it is now 089-123-4567.
If you are calling from outside Thailand, for example for U.S., and previously you were dialing ( 011-66-9-123-4567 ) it is now ( 011-66-89-123-4567 )
Now if you are calling a location with a land line you do not need to add the (8), that was my experience in Thailand when I call an office that had a land line.
LBM
Hey fellow mongers. Was just curious. How far is Nana Plaza from Livingstone's Lodge. Is it within walking distance? If not what is the best way to get there? Thanks!
Livingstone is on Soi 33, try **************.com and get look at the map! Nana is on Soi 4, it seem a long ways but it is not depending on each individual. I have walked it many times but that's me. Otherwise the train stop is close to Soi 33, you can use that and get off at Nana which is 2 stops!
LBM
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]Livingstone is on Soi 33, try **************.com and get look at the map! Nana is on Soi 4, it seem a long ways but it is not depending on each individual. I have walked it many times but that's me. Otherwise the train stop is close to Soi 33, you can use that and get off at Nana which is 2 stops!
LBM[/QUOTE]Yeah, it's a short walk between the two. I took a tuk-tuk from Nana to Livingstone's because I did not know where it was. But on the return trip I walked. I think it was only 15 minutes or so. No more than 20 minutes, depending on if you keep stopping talking to chicks at the bars on the way.
[QUOTE=LittleBigMan]My recent experiences concerning phones in and out of Thailand.
When calling within Thailand. If you were calling this cell phone number in the past (09-123-4567) it is now 089-123-4567.
If you are calling from outside Thailand, for example for U.S., and previously you were dialing ( 011-66-9-123-4567 ) it is now ( 011-66-89-123-4567 )
Now if you are calling a location with a land line you do not need to add the (8), that was my experience in Thailand when I call an office that had a land line.
LBM[/QUOTE]
Fellas,
What I heard on my last visit(last month) all numbers, at least cell numbers, will start using the "08" after January 1, 2007. I think now it depends on how new the number is on the particular cell. The new numbers (in the past 1-2 months) have already began to require using "08" then the number.
Can anyone else clarify this? Thanks.
Not sure whats wrong with the level of belief or understanding in here at the mo, but i have already reported the EXACT current status of the 08 situation.
ALL mobile numbers whether dialled from outside of Thailand or from within Thailand require an 8 after the zero.
So 06 123 4567 now dials as 086 123 4567 if you are calling from inside thailand.
If you are calling from outside thailand dial +668 6123 4567
Its in place now, it is not from january, it does not depend on the age of your phone number.
[QUOTE=Red Alert]Fellas,
What I heard on my last visit(last month) all numbers, at least cell numbers, will start using the "08" after January 1, 2007. I think now it depends on how new the number is on the particular cell. The new numbers (in the past 1-2 months) have already began to require using "08" then the number.
Can anyone else clarify this? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Who cares? Just put the 8 in as Meaty explains, and be done with it. It will work for you to.
Unfortunately I seem to be getting umpteen wrong number calls lately.
I wonder if this can be blamed on the Thais not being capable of adjusting the number correcly when adding the 8 (I guess not). I used to blame the high frequency of wrong number calls on the fact that Thai mobile numbers used to have less digits than in my home country and therefore were far more likely to hit a valid number when wrong. But now I see that logic was foolish. It must be that Thais are too hopeless to either know their own number, give it correctly, write down or type correctly, or just didn't check it. After I tell them the number is wrong, they usually like to ask me whose number it is (what for?) and then try it at least 3 more times.
Can anyone shed light on why I get very few wrong number calls at home but heaps here Thailand (on several different numbers I have used).
[QUOTE=Lover Boy #2]I appreciate your honest answer, but I personally wouldn't eat man's best friend or the cousin of Garfield for the best pussy the world has to offer. You know, it is bad luck to eat a friend or to eat the pussy before you actually eat the pussy.
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No comment is necessary. I am not trying to start a war.....but consumption of cats and dogs bothers me, as do issues of child prostitution, transmission of STD's and sick fucks eating turds. There are some very evil things in this world.[/QUOTE]
A few problems 'Lover Boy'.
Its hypocritical to put your personal emotive views but ask others not to comment.
People either eat animals or they don't. Why single out dogs and cats?
If others eat cats and dogs, its not your problem, so don't bother. Different cultures do different things. If it is not illegal in some countries, then it is obviously not universally condemned.
Its your right to not eat cats and dogs, when you know what you are eating.
Generally we don't know if the meat was prepared as 'humanly' (whatever that is?) as possible or not.
Many dogs are going to be killed anyway or may be even bred for eating.
What is 'evil' depends on culture and religion, predudices and brainwashing, but this is a forum for 'evil' sex mongers.
Now while I personally don't eat eat cat and dog, my reasons my be different to yours and I wouldn't criticise those who did.
When you are starving you might suddenly consider eating a dog with no problems.
Humans are known for eating any type (and I mean ANY type) of meat when hungry enough, including horse for example.
What is the definition of 'Child Prostiution'?
Isn't forced prositution obnoxious, whether children or not?
If a 17 year old girl decides she wants to work as a prostitute, is she a child? How does that differ from an 18 year old or 21 year old? Where does evil come in here?
Obviously I won't go with with a 17 year old, even if she wants it badly, because its illegal. I find it hard to find any line where at some age it magically switches from being evil to not evil. It is well known that girls under the age of 18 are having lots of sex. They may reach sexual maturity quite young. It isn't evil. Its a natural drive.
Its not legal for me to get involved in that stuff and fortunately I'm attracted to older girls anyway.
BTW, If a guy were attracted to younger girls, at what point is he labelled a paedophile? Or is it more to do with forcing sex on minors or on those too young to understand what is going on?
Lastly, do you love dogs or are they 'sick fucks'? They certainly are dumb enough to eat turds. Perhaps some would say: "Don't eat dog because dogs eat shit".
Overall I think I'm trying to convey that this forum is not suited to emotive views and maybe even predudices about other cultures and what they eat. Thais eat pork as much as possible even though the muslims despise it. Others won't eat Beef because the cow is a 'high' animal. It irritates me a little that my hotel restaurant has no beef, but its their right. I can eat somewhere else. Now we have to bring in dogs and cats to the debate. Its not really worthwhile in a sex mongers forum.
As many of you regulars, I’ve been using the same SIMcard for a couple of years now, I go to LOS twice a year (and recharge it while I’m there of course) and I lend it to friends when it’s their turn to go (the lucky sods…).
Now I’ve seen that One2call has made roaming agreements in most countries, including mine, so that it can get a signal abroad. Mine now says valid until 24/02/2007; in your opinion, will there be a way now to keep the SIM alive from home without recharging it? (I know there are websites that sell One2call recharges to farangs abroad but they rip you off big time)
I understand it’s deadly cheap to buy a new one, it’s just to avoid the hassle to have to change your number...
From what I understand as long as you have bht on them they will operate for one year with no action on the number. If your using it once or twice a year and keep it charge with bht you should be good to go, I THINK?
I have had to change my number once in the last 5yrs, and that was my fault I left with no bht on the card and didn't come back for 8 months.
Hope this helps
In November I purchased a new Sim card for my phone! I also purchased at that time a 1-2 card of 500 minutes and once I did I got a response back that I now had so many minutes and that it will expired on February 7, 2007. So based on my experience and F&C answer there is a shorter time frame from my recent experience. Now it might be possible even if your minutes have expired your sim card number is still good for a period of time?
LBM
The minutes that are on the card are different then the card. It may be true that the minutes Exp may be much quicker now, but as long as the card has active minutes and is refreshed and used every once in a while the "card" shouldn't Exp. Refering back to the posted question, he did say he lets his friends use the card when he is out of country. If your using it at least 3 to four times a year (lets say once every 6 months) you should be ok.
Dude when you get in to BKK stop at the little blue booth after customs before you go out the door to catch your cab. Thats where i got my info, that is, my memory is fading a little but i'm sure i'm 89% right. LOL
I could be wrong, can some one on ground there pipe in.
Ya got me thinking i may have to get a new card when I go back?
So reading the last few posts, ooks like I am in the right section!
I am heading back on the 26th!
I am going to samui, phangan, then phuket, then BKK.
Anyways.
I am going to bring my unlocked phone and wondering how I go about getting a sim?
Also if I get a sim will I be able to buy minutes and be able to use it in each part of LOS or will I have to buy diffrent SIM'S forr each province I go to?
Hopefully I will only have to buy 1 SIM card for everywhere I travel in LOS
There are lots of different packages from 1-2-call and they all work slightly differently in terms of the expriy of the 'number/card'. Personally if it were me, and i was so desperateto keep my old phone numbers for my yearly holiday so i could call up previous hookers i'd had in the strange belief that they would be the same shag after another year in the business, I'd buy a stack of top up cards and load them all up, thus extending my card/numbers' validity period, keep doing that until you hit the date you're looking for.
Meaty,
Now that's the best damn answer I have heard yet on the sim card!
LBM
Billy - easy to find SIM cards - just go to any place where they are selling "used" phones and there will almost always be someone there selling cards (yes, it's that simple) 200B or so for the "1-2-talk" cards with 50B credit
[QUOTE=Meaty]There are lots of different packages from 1-2-call and they all work slightly differently in terms of the expriy of the 'number/card'. Personally if it were me, and i was so desperateto keep my old phone numbers for my yearly holiday so i could call up previous hookers i'd had in the strange belief that they would be the same shag after another year in the business, I'd buy a stack of top up cards and load them all up, thus extending my card/numbers' validity period, keep doing that until you hit the date you're looking for.[/QUOTE]
Exactly what I did.
Its not that much you have to top up to extend validity out a few months.
I kept one SIM card for mongering and another for above board liasons.
My experience.
Girls that were once fabulous in bed, change very little.
Its wise to keep a stock of several fantastic reliable girls numbers.
Then if some go missing, there are still others, even on Buddhist holidays when everything is closed. New girls are always a gamble.
However I have recently decided to throw out my mongering SIM card.
In order to keep my girlfriend mongering is about to drop off to nearly non-existent. I cannot afford to be seen with some girl hanging on my arm anywhere. Girlfriend has too mnay friends around everywhere.
Hi Mick Licker!
Do not throw it away! Give it to me, plase LOL.
Merry Christmas to all of you,and a Happy New Year!
From an earlier post:
"Lastly, do you love dogs or are they 'sick fucks'? They certainly are dumb enough to eat turds. Perhaps some would say: 'Don't eat dog because dogs eat shit.'"
So do pigs...
[QUOTE=Globoid]Hi Mick Licker!
Do not throw it away! Give it to me, plase LOL.
Merry Christmas to all of you,and a Happy New Year![/QUOTE]My fab girl might be your stuck-up girl, or you might think them falt chested or large pussy, or doesn't do much blow-jobs or whatever. They may not like you either.
Tastes vary so everyone should find their own favourites.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
Its not that much you have to top up to extend validity out a few months.[/QUOTE]
Just my last question on the silly simcards: has anyone tried to top up your sim from abroad? Because now if you dial from your own country *121# it will actually tell you the credit left and validity.
[QUOTE=Mick Licker]
However I have recently decided to throw out my mongering SIM card.[/QUOTE]
Now, that's a sad sad thing to say on this forum... isn't it? Please Mick Licker, have a re-think...
[QUOTE=Alistair]Just my last question on the silly simcards: has anyone tried to top up your sim from abroad? Because now if you dial from your own country *121# it will actually tell you the credit left and validity.
Now, that's a sad sad thing to say on this forum... isn't it? Please Mick Licker, have a re-think...[/QUOTE]
If you have a topup card, it can be done from abroad for One-2-Call. I have done it.
Get a friend to buy the topup card in Bangkok and SMS the pin code to you.
*120*secretcode# (I think 120 is top up code but check topup card)
There are probably other approaches using credit card. Check on the AIS One-2-Call web site.
Its sad yes, but I given up most mongering as of Xmas this year after a last fling. I am very attached to my girlfriend (from Ubon) and intend to keep her for ever or at least many years. So I cannot afford to get caught with bar girls by someone who knows her. It would spoil the relationship even if she didn't leave me. I can't even go to Nana Plaza ever again as she knows a ladyboy who might be there often for all I know.
However very infrequent mongering may be possible when I believe there is no chance of being caught. Might have to be Overseas or remote MPs.
I hope she will give me sex on a nearly everyday basis to keep my mind off other girls somewhat. Just need to train her to cater for needs fully during her monthly period, even if she is not wanting sex herself.
Maybe I just won't be able to give up. However I did successfully go through 3 months recently with no sex at all (however outside Thailand) other than self abuse. So perhaps my sex addiction is coming under some level of control.
I don't even see anything wrong with the odd casual fuck on the side, but girlfriends don't seem to think this way.
[QUOTE=Meaty]There are lots of different packages from 1-2-call and they all work slightly differently in terms of the expriy of the 'number/card'. Personally if it were me, and i was so desperateto keep my old phone numbers for my yearly holiday so i could call up previous hookers i'd had in the strange belief that they would be the same shag after another year in the business, I'd buy a stack of top up cards and load them all up, thus extending my card/numbers' validity period, keep doing that until you hit the date you're looking for.[/QUOTE]
I just bought a 1-2-Call card at a 7-11 yesterday and the expiration date was December 2009. Why don't you just call the 1-2-Call customer service rep (excellent English by the way) and ask them how you can keep your number in use while you are out of the country. I doubt you can call the *120* recharge number from another country.
I suspect that even if your minutes expire you can still buy a new card in a year and the number will still work.
The card I got expired in three months (more than enough for an 8 day visit) and was quite cheap (400-450 Baht I think with 50 Baht in call credit.)
I ended up leaving it with a friend to use (for what, I have no idea) as it still had 200 Baht of credit after my 300 Baht top up card was used.
For the short time visitor who needs to keep in touch with contacts, I suggest there are lots of options available. Mine may not have been the cheapest, but I am hard pressed to imagine an easier option. 700 baht total, and I could reach and be reached by my friends and contacts alike. YMMV.
[QUOTE=Sporadic]The card I got expired in three months (more than enough for an 8 day visit) and was quite cheap (400-450 Baht I think with 50 Baht in call credit.)
I ended up leaving it with a friend to use (for what, I have no idea) as it still had 200 Baht of credit after my 300 Baht top up card was used.
For the short time visitor who needs to keep in touch with contacts, I suggest there are lots of options available. Mine may not have been the cheapest, but I am hard pressed to imagine an easier option. 700 baht total, and I could reach and be reached by my friends and contacts alike. YMMV.[/QUOTE]
Having a stock of proven performers phone numbers can ensure fantastic sex nearly every time. You still have the option of trying a new girl if she is really impressive in some way.
Be careful when entering the US of A with your laptop
[url]http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/10/24/business/laptop.php[/url]
Hi Guys :
I have bought Kamagra from around Suk. pharmacies and they worked fine without any side effects to me.
But when I have ordered it through Xlpharmacy it is giving me the worst headache of my life.
Any body else have this problem? Both are Indian made.
Your help will be appreciated guys.
Player2
Having just spent a few days in Koh Chang, I can definatley say I will not be going back. Totally unimpressed not just by the lack of mongering opportunities (which was not the main reason of visiting anyway,) but especially at how dissapointing the holiday experience was. The place is well overpriced, the beaches are nothing special at all and I found the people in general to have a totally different attitude; lacking the typical thai friendliness we all love.
I just want to post this to warn any mongers who are thinking about taking a few days out of Patts or Bkk to think twice about Thailands second biggest island.
Very, very dissapointed!
sid
[QUOTE=SidTheSexist]Having just spent a few days in Koh Chang, I can definatley say I will not be going back. Totally unimpressed not just by the lack of mongering opportunities (which was not the main reason of visiting anyway,) but especially at how dissapointing the holiday experience was. The place is well overpriced, the beaches are nothing special at all and I found the people in general to have a totally different attitude; lacking the typical thai friendliness we all love.
I just want to post this to warn any mongers who are thinking about taking a few days out of Patts or Bkk to think twice about Thailands second biggest island.
Very, very dissapointed!
sid[/QUOTE]
That's because Taksin turned it into a HiSo resort island and made all the locals greedy.
It used to be a true get-away place...a proverbial desert island, just for lazing around with friendly locals.
But, like other places, Samui, Phuket, Phi Phi, Thai greed took over and ruined paradise.
There are few places left to go in this country that aren't spoiled.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]That's because Taksin turned it into a HiSo resort island and made all the locals greedy.
It used to be a true get-away place...a proverbial desert island, just for lazing
But, like other places, Samui, Phuket, Phi Phi, Thai greed took over and ruined paradise.
[/QUOTE]
What is happening with property developments in Thailand - specifically in regards to laws specifying majority ownership of developments by Thai nationals. As far as I know, in the past, these laws were only techinally abided to - by the use of reduced voting rights by the Thai national shareholders, by signing blank transfer forms or subjugating shareholding etc. Now I hear that the Thai Government is cracking down and examining the actual wherewithal of these Thai National Nominees, cracking down on reduced voting rights etc - to the point that it is impossible for a Foreign national to have SECURE title to any properties bought in Thainland. WHAT IS THE REAL LOW DOWN ON ALL THIS?? Am asking this here as I know that in the past, this forum and its notable participants, had offered unique insight views and even breaking news. Thanks guys - am plenty worried as I own property there (or thibnk I do!!) - and I would think that many others here also.
SE Asia Joe
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]- am plenty worried as I own property there (or think I do!!) - and I would think that many others here also.
SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]
This is the reason that I decided it's better to just rent.
Here is a pretty good article summarizing the current state of the changes. But basically it is too early to tell. I personally think they will back away from any changes that would unravel the current property ownership structure and will stay focused on limiting foreign ownership of services that are considered more critical to the Thai infrastructure. The problem is that as a member of the WTO, they are limited as to how discriminatory they can be on foreign-ownership rights.
[url]http://www.boston.com/news/world/asia/articles/2007/01/09/thai_govt_approves_foreign_business_law_change/[/url]
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]What is happening with property developments in Thailand - specifically in regards to laws specifying majority ownership of developments by Thai nationals. As far as I know, in the past, these laws were only techinally abided to - by the use of reduced voting rights by the Thai national shareholders, by signing blank transfer forms or subjugating shareholding etc. Now I hear that the Thai Government is cracking down and examining the actual wherewithal of these Thai National Nominees, cracking down on reduced voting rights etc - to the point that it is impossible for a Foreign national to have SECURE title to any properties bought in Thainland. WHAT IS THE REAL LOW DOWN ON ALL THIS?? Am asking this here as I know that in the past, this forum and its notable participants, had offered unique insight views and even breaking news. Thanks guys - am plenty worried as I own property there (or thibnk I do!!) - and I would think that many others here also.
SE Asia Joe[/QUOTE]
aviation officials reluctant to renew certificate due to multiple concerns. this friday was supposed to be the day suvarnabhumi airport would have received a permanent aerodrome certificate for meeting safety requirements of the international civil aviation organisation (icao) - but that is not going to happen.
the interim certificate issued six months ago by the department of civilian aviation (dca) in response to the former government's rush to open the airport for domestic flights on july 29, will expire tomorrow and officials feel uneasy about extending it.
dca director-general chaisak angsuwan said the lack of certification was likely to affect international confidence in thailand's brand new airport, but it was impossible for his agency to issue a permanent certificate amid looming problems such as major cracks on the runway, taxiway and tarmac.
"the best we could do is issue another six-month interim certificate to suvarnabhumi, but i'm not certain if we can do it by this friday because there are a long list of questions for which we are still awaiting answers from the airports of thailand," he said.
chaisak said his agency needed to see a comprehensive plan of how the cracks - reportedly rep001tered around some 100,000 square metres of the airport - would be addressed, as well as other unresolved safety issues such as inadequate lighting and airfield signs.
the thaksin shinawatra government rushed to officially open suvarnabhumi in late september amid criticism from both local and international aviation industry that the airport was not ready. the council for national security, which ousted thaksin 10 days before the opening, said it was too late to change the schedule.
these developments potentially set the stage for the airport to be left in a certification "no-man's land" as thai credibility in regard to ensuring airport safety up to icao standards has suffered a major blow.
"the icao will soon release a list of uncertified airports in the world and it remains to be seen if suvarnabhumi will be on the list," a dca safety official, who asked not to be named, said.
runway and tarmac cracks, which began appearing at the time of the official opening, seemed to be getting worse, said the safety official, and that made it impossible to certify that suvarnabhumi met icao standards.
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I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?
[QUOTE=MilesToGo]I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?[/QUOTE]
You can buy SIM cards and recharge vouchers in any 7/11.
[QUOTE=MilesToGo]I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?[/QUOTE]
It depends on what bands are on your phone... I believe AIS's 1-2-call prepaid is on 900Mhz. It might be rolling out 1800 as well but will probably only be around Bangkok right now. If you have a US-centric phone, your triband phone might be 1800/1900/850. Rest of World tribands are 1800/1900/900.
The other carriers DTAC "Happy" and True Move "Just Talk" prepaids are on 1800mhz.
AIS has the widest coverage of Thailand at 900Mhz. But the other guys will work definitely in BKK and probably Pattaya.
Any 7-11 has recharge
Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesToGo
I have access to both dual and tri band phones. I will ultimatly buy a quad if need be. I will be in either BKK, Ptya maybe CM. Will there be any signifigant reception difference - and if so - ie: should a tri band phone be using 1-2-3 service or such combination?
I also heard there is somewhere in the new airport to pick up Sim Card (hopefully in the arrivals side) could someone give me some pointers?
You can buy SIM cards and recharge vouchers in any 7/11.
Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc... The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that ?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Erik]Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc... The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Any real estate deal with any Thai, Pinoy or people from other p4p destinations may as well be swampland in Fla.
I remember a shaved headed Belgian looking down at me like he was lord of the manor walking with his 30+ so called ex bargirl coming out of "their" condo when I was staying with some ho in Lengnarm near Pattaya. She tried to keep me there to keep me away from the more newbile talent closer to the water. This "Dr. Evil looking jack-the-lad" wasn't looking too happy a week later when his trollup was demanding more. Fortunately for me, my only invesment was a bar fine, some groceries and a pair of shoes. When the Spanish had Tupac and demanded a room full of gold, after that they demanded another and another then they killed Tupac even after the deal had been fulfilled thrice. This is how they look at us. Sad but true.
Just remember that the the more you are committed the harder it is to walk and that they will always demand more.
Don't believe the stories about the beergarten being filled with losers. At least don't believe they are ALL losers.
Stopped in for a beer yesterday afternoon and got into a conversations with a guy who is developing a data processing operation here. He had just come from Sri Lanka where they hav a small operation and was looking for a bit of company.
As we talked I looked around the bar and saw only the usual 3 to 6 crowd and some of them would have a hard time getting a 3 until after a good many beers. All of a sudden I realized that sitting directly across the bar from me was a stunner. I like little slender things and this was not only a spinner but she was beautiful.
She was sitting with an oriental guy who looked Chinese. he was drinking a beer and she was drinking a coke. I asked the guy I was talking with if he had noticed her earlier and was she hooked up with this guy. He had no idea and only said she was available. Hell, I knew that but was she TAKEN. I was in lust.
I was trying to figure out how to get her loose from this guy without starting a fight when she got up and went over to talk to a bunch of the girls at the little bar by the door. Told the guy I was talking to I had to run and I got over before she could disappear. The closer I got the better she looked. Asked her to sit down and I ordered a beer. She said she didn't drink beer and didn't want another coke.
She said she had been in bangkok for 4 months and lived with her mother. Her English was understandable but I realized it was pretty limited. Then when I asked why she came to bk she said she had a baby and prorceeded to pull out a bunch of pictures of her 1 1/2 year old son. Father was back in Issan and didn't provide any support. She said she didn't like the other guy at the bar who wanted one hour and 2 shots for 1000 baht. Said she liked happy people and boy I was happy.
Back to the Nana where I started taking some pictures. She was fascinated to see herself. Started with clothes on and gradually got down to the Nitty Gritty. Later took some shots of her face sitting in the sun streaming in the window. She really liked those and said she didn't like the gyno shots. Thought her pussy was ugly. I didn't agree but realized I had to get closeups to see anything it was so small. Looked at the size and wondered where I was going to put the Ancienet tool. Not to worry, it fit just fine. Also wondered where the stretch marks were as their was no sign on her flat little belly. What a cute little ass to balance it out.
I explained that the little blue pills I ate back at the bar when I realized in was in for an unplanned session would need an hour or so to work their magic. The ancient tool does need it's help. She said if we had to wait that she was hungry. Got room service up in a shot with whatever it was that she wanted and room service recognized. My Thai is terrible and it was not something I recognized. We sat there naked with her feediing me every other bite. A nice massage took up the rest of the hour and the blueys did just fine.
As we were showering afterward I measured her height at just below my tits and I am a bit short of 6 feet. Maybe she weighs 80 pounds soaking wet which she was a lot as she loved the hot water shower. Only had cold water at home. Took some more pictures and she got dressed. We talked about getting together again and she said she doesn't have a phone. She wants another go today but she might have to wait till tomorrow.
I gave her 1000 !100 and she was very happy. Showed me that she was down to 70 baht in her purse.
Well, I guess it is back to the Beergarten
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[QUOTE=Erik]Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. [/QUOTE]Erik,
I do not think yo are a fool at all. I think it is very nice of you to help a lady settle down, move on with her life and feel loved and secured.
I am assuming however that you live in Thailand? that you can see her on a daily basis? that you could eventualy check on the work Progress of the house? Also, that you can have someone (other than the lady) help you translate the Ownership papers of the house?
If you answered "Yes" to all the above questions, then I think that this is not a bad idea.
However, if you live overseas, I would strongly suggest you review your situation with her entirely... Sponsorship is a great alternative if you live in Thailand, but not if you are abroad.
I have been with so many girls that told me about their Swiss, German, Brittish, American sponsors (The French apparently are too "cheap" to sponsor LOL) and yet they were still working the night bar scene.
This is a very difficult situation but I am sure there are cases where it worked well.
If you really think about sending money, wait a little, let the idea simmer in your brain for a few weeks. Don't forget Love is the only feeling that overwhelms logic and Reason.
If you still really want to help her after that, then go for it!! it is always better to have guilt on something we have done rather than on something we did not do.
Good luck ;)
Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. It sounds like there are some new things from India and China but are they any good.
Where and how much along Suk somewhere would be appreciated as well. If anybody has info on what is available in Phnom Phen I will be heading over there in a couple of weeks. Recently there was a comment that anything in Cambodia was crap and undependable. Any other opinions?
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Well, I guess it is back to the Beergarten[/QUOTE]Excellent report, Thanks
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. [/QUOTE]There's a whole Thread on Viagra:
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?t=1088[/url]
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. It sounds like there are some new things from India and China but are they any good.
...
[/QUOTE]AncientFornicatr,
Penagra, 4 x 100 mg, THB 400 - THB 500.
Available at the pharmacies on Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and J.W.Marriotts.
The other option is to have a friend from India who organizes direct imports. Then it is cheaper :) !
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]AncientFornicatr,
Penagra, 4 x 100 mg, THB 400 - THB 500.
Available at the pharmacies on Sukhumvit between Soi 4 and J.W.Marriotts.
The other option is to have a friend from India who organizes direct imports. Then it is cheaper :) !
Giotto[/QUOTE]
I think they should be put along with the shampoo, soap and other condiments at the famous Lodge :) One FOC per night for your paying guests.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]I think they should be put along with the shampoo, soap and other condiments at the famous Lodge :) One FOC per night for your paying guests.[/QUOTE]Traveler1234,
There is a certain demand for vitamins at the Lodge. From time to time customers get the "Bangkok Burned Out Syndrom", and then they need a vitamin therapy.
It's available at the Lodge - just contact the management.
Giotto
The good thing with the mongers life is that you can experience both extremes of encounters in a single weekend:
- At the perverse side, my weekly threesome at Tulip (see reports on Massage thread): 69 playing with a vibrator, first in the pussy of the girl, then lifting it to the sodom entrance – while her girl-friend is bowl-massaging me with her tong. These girls are not very attractive, but hey: what beats the view of an bottom-hole gulping in and out a vibrator?
- At the romantic side: a very debutant girl found at the “Office” bar (Soi 33, right in front of Livingstones); obviously I don’t take the words “I was married but never go with customers, just here to talk” at face value in such den of depravity – but strangely enough, everything from her behaviour and pussy size convinced me that she was not lying. So you do it smoothly and respectively, and can really feel the pulsion indicating that this experience remains somewhat special for her (or is my long mongering experience still subject to illusions?).
We can find pleasure in fish and chips, and foie gras.
PS: That “Office” Bar increased their bar fine, now THB 1200, no discount for late hour; a WAY TOO EXPENSIVE in my opinion.
[QUOTE=Erik]Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc. The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Eric, no comment but Real Estate/FAQ
[url]http://www.lamaiwanta.com/[/url]
Sevastopl1
SexWithSmile,
No problem, give them you mobile number and ask them to call if they are alone when the bar closes ;) then there is no Barfine to pay ;)
[QUOTE=Erik]Most of you might think I am a fool, but I would really like to help a cuty to buy a house, for her security and peace of mind in her life. Maybe we could own 50/50, or just a house of her own. I could help by paying a share of her mortgage, etc... The thing is I know absolutly nothing about poperty business in Thailand. Anyone would know where to find a website of forum giving some knowledge of that ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Erik,
this topic has been heavily discussed in this forum and myself posted a lot about it in this section and the "Living in Thailand" section.
A short summary :
You can NOT own land in your own name, but you can own a house on the land.
You CAN own a condo IF less than 50% are owned by foreigners. Check it in case you buy from a Thai. Some exceptions exists, e.g. in BKK where more than 50% of a condo can be owned by foreigners. When buying from another foreigner the percentage won't change, therefore no prob.
The common way for foreigners to own - or better to have control over - a plot of land/house is setting up a company (Ltd.) and buying the land in the name of the company. You will have the minority in shares (not exceeding 39% is best), but can have the majority in votes. You need a total of 7 persons and the Thais must have at least 51% of the shares. Nevertheless, you can be the general manager and the only person who is legally allowed to sign any documents. Additionally all other shareholders will have to sign blank selling contracts in advance so you can get rid of them in case of trouble.
Advantage : You can easily sell your land/house by sinply selling your shares, almost no taxes.
Disadvantage : You have to make a tax clearance every year.
Other ways are lease contracts. The Thai law allows a max. period of 30 yrs for lease contracts plus one prolongation of another 30yrs. Those contracts have to be registered at the land office.
There are many more ways like usufruct and the like but they are less common.
If you really want to buy some property for this girl, then do it and forget about the money. Any other solution would mean that you don't only do it for her, but that you want your share too. Nothing wrong with it, but this is a totally different intention (investment, personal use) than the one you posted.
Thanks for the answers.
First of all, you might also think I am a naive, but the girl I am about to help does NOT come from the sex industry. She lives in a middle size province head city of Thailand and has a very "normal" office job. Second, NicFrenchy, I have to answer "no" to all of your questions. Third, the link about Koh Samui does not really help, as I am not looking for a holliday propoerty by the beach for me, but a house for her to live in her little city.
Do we agree that as soon as you engage in a somehow serious relationship with a Thai girl, the question of "taking care" i.e. financial support comes up. Being a farang, this process shoks me and I don't feel sending her an amount of money on a monthly basis to help her living a better life and supporting her poor family. I am not a Social security office. Still, if I chose to be involved in an affair in a coutry like Thailand, I cannot avoid complying with Thai culture and I cannot avoid to "support" her in some way. Otherwise, she would feel abused and looked down by her Thai friends as a stupid girl who sleeps with a farang without receiving any concrete proof of his feeling for her nor any compation for her familly. She would lose face because of this and our relation could never be a happy one. Do we agree ? (Once again, she does not get paid for sleeping as she is not a prostitute. OK, we are all mongers here and I know most of you are already laughing at me).
So my plan is : Offering to share her repayment mortgage and part of her minimum deposit for the purchase of the house would show my financial support, while helping her concretly to build some kind of insurance for her future. That would also force her to get involved with her own money in this project, as I would pay only a percentage (even if a higher percentage than her). Buying by co-ownership with her could also be an option for me.
What I am after is any info in English about rules of property buying for Thai and farang. I wonder if there is any website for that.
Erik,
first of all, you don't have to justify anything. Do as you like, it's completely unimportant what anybody in here may think about your idea.
To be honest, I wouldn't take a mortgage or signing a financing contract if I would be your GF. Your idea bares too many risks for her. What if you decide to stop paying your share ? She won't be able to pay the monthly rate and may loose it all.
I also doubt that she will get a mortgage (at least with an acceptable interest rate) if she doesn't have any property or a well paid secure job. The banks are quite careful since the Asian crisis when they got shitloads full of (almost) worthless property. Thai banks don't give a mortgage to foreigners but some Hongkong and Singapur based banks do.
There are countless real estate sites that do more or less correctly explain the different kinds of ownerships. Try Google.
[QUOTE=Erik]
. I am not a Social security office. .[/QUOTE]
I think Traveler outlined the most important and basic rules you needed to know about land/ house ownership. Now that the visa runs are over, its also much harder to stay longer in LOS. I admit not knowing your complete situation as they all vary but a common error made by most is that if you do not intend to be there and live with her all the time then money could be wasted on your part as "support money" dont really mean a good relationship will last.
I think the statement you made (above) is the most logical in your post.
PT
[QUOTE=AncientFornicatr]Maybe Old Thai Hand or somebody can put together a cohesive bit about what is the latest and greatest of the blue pill variety. It sounds like there are some new things from India and China but are they any good.
Where and how much along Suk somewhere would be appreciated as well. If anybody has info on what is available in Phnom Phen I will be heading over there in a couple of weeks. Recently there was a comment that anything in Cambodia was crap and undependable. Any other opinions?[/QUOTE]
Called Caver-something. Red ones. A Thai Pharmacist Lady friend didn't even bother selling real Viagras for a few years because V's are were the #1 counterfitted med. They actually make a "caverject" that pornstars inject into the base of their johnson before a major pipe laying production. It gets rock hard for 2 hours without stimulation of any kind (depot). Look at the PDRs in the pharmacies. Every pharmacy on Suk has them (red pills) near Nana. I think the counterfiet Viagra thing has been counteracted somehow. Still, counterfeit pills would use boric acid as an ingredient to taste bitter like most meds. Boric acid can cause kidney failure. Buy them in BKK and nobody would bother countefeiting the red ones and they are cheaper.
Erick,
This is my 2 cents from my own personal situation. Based on your comments I would assume that you are pretty much like the rest of us except The Traveler, he is loaded and lives in the hills of Pattaya, heh heh!
You mentioned that you would help her get a loan therefore you don't have the means to buy the land and house outright in cash. So if you really want to help her you must first decide what you expect in the future of this relationship?
If it goes bad are you going to hold the house and money over her head as leverage basically saying I'm the boss and I will do as I please? I know farangs that did exactly what you are thinking and when they become tired of the relationship they start to bring other women home drinking and beating the other women.
Second, what is her current income and can she sustain the expenses associate with owning a house. Since you plan to live in it I assume you are going to put in A/C in some of the rooms or can you leave 100% as a Thai with fans. General cost to her for owning a small house, 350baht a month for Cable T.V., 350baht for water, 40baht for garbage, and 1,000-1,500 for electricity.
Third, the bank will look if she currently have a savings account and does she makes deposit on a regular basis before they would given consider her.
Last, whether you plan to marry her or not, helping someone make a major purchase is a major commitment in so many ways. Based on your comments limit your purchase! meaning don't buy a 3,4,5,6,7, million baht home instead you can buy 1 or 1.5 million baht house and if things don't work out, do you really want to continue to live in the house? and do you really want to take it all away and bring her back to nothing? IMHO, if you decide on this course buy it all in cash and walk away if things don't work out, Consider it as a small investment that didn't work out! Once you start, you will never be able to stop!
Good luck, EriK
LBM
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[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]Called Caver-something. Red ones.[/QUOTE]Is this the stuff?
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Eric,
in case you want to keep it small, why not buy a small condo for her ?
There are a few new developments on the market that start around 350.000 baht for a 32sqm room. They offer down payment of just 6.000 baht per month.
If you like it bigger, buy two or more adjoining condos.
But be aware, you get what you pay for, walls may be thin and so on.
Thanks all for your contribution.
My idea really is that the house would be intirely under her name, all I would do is helping her to repay the mortgage, for an amount equal to what a Thai girlfriend expects as a monthly support. So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house out, and whatever she gets from it would belong to her to refund the mortage and keep the extra if any. I don't live in Thailand and don't intend to live in this house on a long term. I will just had supported her for the time of our relationship, and will not ask anything back.
We target a small house of about 800 000 B, which is the market price in the outskirt of the middle size city where she lives.
After reading your comments, now my main concerns are :
- She has a stable work of clerk, but a small salary (7 000 B). Will a bank ever lend her money ? I will pay maybe most of the money, but no garanty on the paper for the bank, as we are not married.
- If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit.
[QUOTE=Erik]- ...If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit...[/QUOTE]Thats why I don't consider this a very smart idea.
Erik,
In my opinion you must have reasons for helping her reasons I will not address because I don't want to get too personal. But the amount you stated is a reasonable amount to spend and as far as my opinion is concern I think as for a Thai, it not whether the house appreciate in your situation for her but that she has something to her name and maybe to past on to her siblings. Having and owning a home and having a roof over their heads is more important that making a profit to sell later. I don't believe this is part of the equation of owning a home for her!
Helping her finance or pay for this house is a major step for you but if you decide to help my opinion is to pay for it in cash and be done with it and put it under her name. Make sure she opens a saving account and out of the 7,000 baht she makes each month she has to put at less 2,000 bahts in the bank each month. As time goes by she now is a property owner with a savings for a Thai, for the future she will have little problems with banks. For myself if I was in your shoes breaking up and having her sell the property is not a option! Once you start you can't stop and have her go back to the past because you breakup, I personally do not think that is the right thing to do! Your objective I think is to help her now and for her future to have a better life not to send her back to where she use to live. Your thoughts about helping her part way might be because of funds or that you have second thoughts ( which is natural ) about your relationship. Now all is off the board if you find her cheating on you even if she is a non-pro! it happens! Then you wil have to ask another question on the board what to do in that situation. It's a gamble son that's life?
[QUOTE=Erik]Thanks all for your contribution.
My idea really is that the house would be intirely under her name, all I would do is helping her to repay the mortgage, for an amount equal to what a Thai girlfriend expects as a monthly support. So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house out, and whatever she gets from it would belong to her to refund the mortage and keep the extra if any. I don't live in Thailand and don't intend to live in this house on a long term. I will just had supported her for the time of our relationship, and will not ask anything back.
We target a small house of about 800 000 B, which is the market price in the outskirt of the middle size city where she lives.
After reading your comments, now my main concerns are :
- She has a stable work of clerk, but a small salary (7 000 B). Will a bank ever lend her money ? I will pay maybe most of the money, but no garanty on the paper for the bank, as we are not married.
- If we break up and the value of the house at the time her resale has decreased, she is in deep shit.[/QUOTE]
If the dollar were suddenly worthless and you were broke, she'd send you walking. I've watched too many psuedo savvy people blow everything over there and end up working as security guards back home. The pinoys have a different MO. When the generous boyfriend would save up and return their pooying would shun the new backpacker guy becuse he was no longer the high-roller that could come up with the constant cash.
They will always figure out a way to dig deeper into your pockets. All you'll hear is "you plomiss" when they want cash (allegedly) to put a new roof on a relative's house or send a nephew to the seminary. In WWII the Thais sided with the Japanese but their man in Washington carried the unopened declaration of war in his pocket and when the US dropped the A-Bombs they declared war on Japan and seized all their assets. The call us Farhang (short for Frenchman) and are still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia, then the Vichy French steamed a rag tag convoy out of Saigon and sank their entire Navy near Kho Chang during WWII. Probably why you will never see a Frenchman buying a house for a Thai lady.
[QUOTE=Erik]So, in case the relationship breaks, I would leave her with the house and would stop paying my share of the mortage. Naturally she would be unable to bear herself the cost of the full mortgage and would have to sale the house [/QUOTE]I see you underestimate our little Thai ladies LOL BIG Mistake.
She will NEVER allow the relationship to Break as long as there are financial ties.
The day she will Allow the relationship to break is the day she would be sure she has an alternative for Mortgage payment (New Sponsor).
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]The call us Farhang (short for Frenchman) and are still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia.[/QUOTE]
Well, first of all the Thai didn't like the French because the French tried to invade Thailand at one point, although that the feeling doesn't still persist.
There is no difinitive proof that Farang (not Farhang) comes from Farangset meaning French. It is most likely connected to the Arabic word 'Afrandj' meaning foreigner which found it's way into Pali and San skrit, which form the root of much of the Thai language. Variations are found in Sri Lanka (Parangiar) and Cambodia (Barang) for example.
NicFrenchy, BuleDaddy,
we don't know much about this girl, so your comments are nothing but prejudices.
Have you ever had a regular or do you only do P4Ps ?
Don't forget, it's part of the job of P4Ps to reach into your pocket.
Most regulars I had weren't interested in money at all. My last regular GF for example even declined some gold I wanted to buy for her. She simply said that she doesn't like it and preferred a simple "fancy" plastic watch for less than 200 baht.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]. still pissed off at the French for taking Laos, and Cambodia,.[/QUOTE]
I've known a few Thai's that dont really care much for the Khmers (not sure about Laos), they think of them on a lower scale. Besides, Thais and Cambos have been warring thru out their history. If I'm not mistaken, it was the Thais invasion that led to the downfall of Angkor Wat.
PT
Very interesting points of view. Thanks again. Obviously the last person to have spoken here gives me more hope...
Like someone said, the reasons why I don't want to offer her a house all paid and ready to move in, are because, first I don't have the cash for this, and second I don't want to igve a blank cheque. She could very well kick me off when moved in and the door locked behind her. The mortgage plan was a kind of long term approach, to see how our relation is developping, with a kinder, maybe more romantic meaning, as far as her wellfare is concerned, that just setting up a direct credit onto her account every month. Being a Westerner, I hate talking money with my girlfriend. I know this is Thailand, and although she is not a prostitute, I have already noticed that she does not have the same taboo as me about money.
Does any of you have ever gone through an alternative kind of support ? Or is it always the same tactic : direct credit. In my opinion that really makes the transaction look like prostitution, and when it is not the case, it does not look nice.
[QUOTE=Erik]. I know this is Thailand, and although she is not a prostitute, I have already noticed that she does not have the same taboo as me about money.
.[/QUOTE]
Unless the gal is from a well off family and dont need to think of her future, the average regular working gal will always have some money thoughts in the back of her mind.
I'm not an expert on "normal/ non-P4P" gals in LOS as due to my limited vacation time I need a quick and "sure thing"--so its usually the paying type for me.
Now having said that, I do come across regular gals on my travels in LOS and some have been more than reasonable but a few will eventually bring up the "support" issue. It almost never starts with herself but often starts with how she works very hard to support the rest of her family (mom, pop, brother, sister, uncle, uncle's cow, etc)--hint hint.
Lucky for me, by that time its the end of my vacation and time to leave so dont need to think any further. I can understand how some can be easily "influenced" if a longer time exist with the gal. So to each his own, but always watch out for what you wish for as the end of the rainbow is not always paved with gold.------IMO
PT
[quote=phantomtiger2]if i'm not mistaken, it was the thais invasion that led to the downfall of angkor wat.pt[/quote]
that's a nice way to put it. many thais still think of the khmer (not to mention the burmese) as their enemies. they look down on the burmese, khmer and lao as being culturally inferior. this kind of thing is perpetuated in thai movies that always portray the lao (or their isaan cousins), for instance as low-class and simple-minded, and the burmese as the historic barbarians [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] and pillaging thailand (the burmese invaded 19 times).
ironically, as you mention, but to put it more succinctly, the thais invaded the khmer empire, sacked anghor wat, raped and pillaged their way across cambodia until they had destroyed the khmer empire and then took into slavery, most of the young women, all the khmer artisans and the royal court dancers. most thai arts and thai dance come from the khmer. but, don't ever tell a thai that. they'll get angry and call you a liar.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]NicFrenchy, BuleDaddy,
we don't know much about this girl, so your comments are nothing but prejudices.
Have you ever had a regular or do you only do P4Ps ?
Don't forget, it's part of the job of P4Ps to reach into your pocket.
Most regulars I had weren't interested in money at all. My last regular GF for example even declined some gold I wanted to buy for her. She simply said that she doesn't like it and preferred a simple "fancy" plastic watch for less than 200 baht.[/QUOTE]
I agree with Traveler on this one. I think the problem is that most guys on here have a warped sense of Thai women and money because they only deal with P4P.
Since I am only involved with regular Thai women, I can speak with considerable experience. While, it is true that Thai women expect some support from you, if you are involved with them, because it's a big part of the culture, the higher up on the social ladder, the less likely she'll want much from you at all.
I give my GF, who is a working middle-class Thai girl from a good family, an allowance of 5000 baht/month and she earns another 7000 in her job. It's true that I occasionally buy her things; a pair of shoes (199 baht) and bit of costume jewellery etc. - all very inexpensive. I bought her 1 baht of gold (nothing too showy) for New Years, as is tradition among many Thais, especially Thai-Chinese. Now, some on here have said outright that because I give my GF money of any kind, and buy her things, that I'm paying for sex and she's no different than a prostitute. I find this an odd way of thinking. Prostitution and the money exchanged is a clear business transaction for a particular and momentary service rendered. Giving money to a girl with whom you are involved on a daily basis, long-term is called 'love' or at the very least, 'caring' for someone. It's a relationship. It's not business.
So, Erik: Being concerned that some sort of direct payment constitutes prostitution is a very "Western" way of thinking and has nothing to do with the reality of what it truly represents, particularly in a Thai cultural context.
And, BTW...I was married in Canada for 10 years, during which time I bought my Canadian wife 2 houses. It's just the kind of thing you do when you're involved with someone, anywhere in the world.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]I agree with Traveler on this one. I think the problem is that most guys on here have a warped sense of Thai women and money because they only deal with P4P.
I give my GF, who is a working middle-class Thai girl from a good family, an allowance of 5000 baht/month and she earns another 7000 in her job.[/QUOTE]
I totally agree with your first premise. BUT, what is your definition of the '5K allowance' you give each month to your GF?
I'm Asian, have lived in several countries in Asia for many years and know the score. P4P is exactly what you say it is. Giving an allowance to any woman, either ST or LT is really a gray area, IMHO.
The Traveller & OTH,
of course all we write are nothing but prejudices, I wouldn't presume on knowing how All women in Thailand think... especially the ones I have never met ;)
Yes, I indulge for the most part in P4P, I am trying my best to steer clear of a relationship with a Thai girl (non P4P). I like my freedom too much to be tied up with a "Girlfriend". This is my personal choice. I am 30 and maybe am not looking for the same thing as other members here.
Having said that, I work here, and have contact with Many "regular" Thai ladies, I eat 2 meals with them daily and noticed one thing: most of them are gold diggers, out of 8 ladies, 4 have Farang Boyfriends (older) but they still have their Thai Gik boyfriends on the side... they are not the least affraid to openly say that they are with their Farang boyfriend for the money.
Does this mean all Thai ladies are like that? no, but I can only speak from what I know.
on the other topic, I agree with OTH. I fail to see how offering gifts to your girlfriend makes her a prostitute. If it was true, then 99% of the women on this planet would be prostitutes.
When you have a relationship with someone, you are happy to see the other person happy, makes you feel good, and gifts are a nice way to show the other person you care about them.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]I see you underestimate our little Thai ladies LOL BIG Mistake.
She will NEVER allow the relationship to Break as long as there are financial ties.
Reminds me of a fellow I met a copule of years ago. Someone asked me to look up this psychiatrist friend of theirs when I got to Bangkok. Met him in the lobby of Nana where he was intensley involved in a conversation with a moderately nice looking Thai girl about 25.
She was explaining to him why she could only see him for the next three days and then was "busy" for two weeks. She had to go to the airport to pickup this guy from Houston who was arriving for a couple of weeks and had been paying her 3M Bht a month for some time. Originally she had told him whe was going to Issan to visit her parents but when he wanted to go along she broke down and told him about the Texan
My friend the shrink was almost crying and kept telling her he loved her and reminding her that he had been sending 2M bht a month for a year. She said repeatedly that she loved him too but did have to spend time with the Texan but only for two weeks. The last I spoke with him he was going to Pattaya for two weeks to drown his sorrow in pussy I guess.
Makes you wonder how many of these nutty farangs are shrinks.
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I don't know where you guys find these "worthy" girls. Chances are they are acting all sweet, but after you make commitment #1 it is all over.
Actually I met one, a sister of a maid at the Sunshine that really cared about this guy from Seattle that was drinking himself to death. We intervened, as he gave her his credit cards to go shopping and she was crying on Soi 8, saying he was like Nick Cage in Lvg Las Vegas. She actually cared about this guy and asked for my help rather than go sopping at the Big C or Lotus.
The trouble is when they tell the family and the Thai guy in the woodwork they are with a gringo they get pressed to "get paid". They watch US TV where everybody is in big houses and driving big cars with no visible means of support. Going to bars and restaurants where money doesn't change hands. I have seen an occasional Briton and many Germans and Swedes fare better, but even USAF guys that married Thai women in Khorat during the Viet thing could tell horror stories about black market stuff from the px and guys losing stripes. Even the Pinoy women are better but still trouble. My uncle was in Khorat and he has married 3 pinoy women but he said he Thai ones are cursed when I asked why no pooyings. If you bring a woman back to the US you have to sign affadavits of support. They usually dump their east coast gringo after a nice settlement and head to California (the 70thsomething province) to be with their Thai lover. In NYC if a waitress at a Thai restaurant dates a farhang she is shunned by all her friends, unless it is a get rich quick scheme. Emotionally they are the most immature women I ever met. Always tossing ultimatums. I left one crying on the highway in pouring down rain that gave me a stupid ultimatum. Dumb ***** could have gotten airfare home and a gold chain the next day in Chinatown but started up on me and I paid the cabbie to take me back to Nana where I gave him her bags and money to take the wench out of the rain to the bus station. I would much rather boink pooyings in the beginning and hang with an Israeli, or European Backpacker woman toward the end of my trip. After only a few days in Thailand (I love BKK) I am ready to go to other elsewhere where the people are much more polite, the women prettier, and the culture is far more western. No place on earth does the sayings "familiarity breed contempt" or "kindness is taken as a weakness" fare than in the LOS. What kind of conversation can you have with a Thai women? There is no world outside of theirs. The resident Indians, Nepalese, and Chinese all fare much better in business There because of the "Thai law of diminishing service". I'd hook a Nana driver up with a nice all day job and he'd bad mouth me and my family, then insult the bargirls with my friends.
None of my friends listened to me and all got dogged. Two are about to get dogged having bought houses and just opened the floodgates for more dinero. All these other "investments and bus. investments"for relatives on the horizon. I can't believe the changes that came over their pooyings. Instead of being happy and appreciative they act pissy and just go for more. These girls are nothing to look at and they run us and their expat friends off so these guys are drinking themselves to death out of boredom. I got chumped by bargirls, seamstresses, bank tellers, hotel staff, waitresses, and straight massage girls. Their dipsh*^ friends intimidate them into taking back their books and cd's on learning english for money. The Germans I met in Naklua have their women under much better control and ignore them when they get all pissy and despondent in an effort to get more jack. The gringos always do the "what's the matter honey?". I see Englishment get bossed around by roly poly old dragons as well.
Erik,
just read this, funny story. Well, unless you're the guy.
[url]http://www.mangosauce.com/farang_life/duped_farang_goes_postal.php[/url]
What kind of Thai women are these you hang out with?
I live in HK and have about 5 farang friends of mine married to Thai ladies for many years.
These guys, lets just say, would be in the top 1% of US net worth if they lived back in the States. None of them are even remotely on the brink of divorce. In fact, its the women that often having to turn on blind eye on their husbands meanderings. They could all easily file for divorce and lead a comfortable life but they truly stick to their men.
[QUOTE=NicFrenchy]<cut>
on the other topic, I agree with OTH. I fail to see how offering gifts to your girlfriend makes her a prostitute. If it was true, then 99% of the women on this planet would be prostitutes.
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Girls who want to fuck a lot of guys for free are often called "sluts",
girls who do same but want something in return are labelled "prostitutes",
girls who don't really want to fuck at all are "frigid or lesbians",
girls who do only one guy for money or other gain are "normal girls",
girls who only want to fuck one guy for free are "badly in love",
girls who who fuck one guy for free and another for money are either "pimped or sneaky"
The distinction between normal girls and prostitutes is mainly how many guys they fuck.
Aren't all these labels totally stupid?
Why isn't being a prostitute a perfectly respectable profession since it pays O.K.?
Why do guys worry so much about the motives of a girl who wants to fuck? Is it for love, lust, money, or a combination of these?
Isn't the the quality, quantity and reliability of the sex more important than the motive?
When choosing a girlfriend, her character is important as is her sexual performance.
Whether she has ever accepted money, presents, or other benefits in return for sex is not really relevant.
We all fuck around and I'm sure many of us would happily accept monetry benefits for fucking girls if the supply and demand situation was reversed.
I would even fuck an ugly girl if she paid me enough and I could get it up despite the lack of sexiness.
I'm not a hypocrite so I don't look on Thai P4P girls with contempt, in general. Of course there are P4P girls which I have contempt for but that is based on their individual behaviour.
Others are very nice girls that cannot find any alternative way to get enough money to support themselves and family, given a very mediocre education, or are simply out of work for a period. Some are even Uni girls whose parents cannot afford the girl's education costs.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]I don't know where you guys find these "worthy" girls. Chances are they are acting all sweet, but after you make commitment #1 it is all over.[/QUOTE]Sorry. But, I think you have a fucked up attitude, probably from lack of anything but P4P experience. Certainly what you say applies to P4P girls and even some girls in a low-income bracket who, out of necessity are looking to augment their income in some way. But, it's been my experience that the right girls don't change attitude the minute they have you. I would hazzard a guess that I've probably had more experience than just about anyone on here when it comes to regular, non-P4P girls. So, I am well aware of the warning signs and what to avoid with the relatively small number who are after something.
There are loads of Thai girls who are honest, not after money, and who just want a relationship. But, within Thai culture, it is simply expected that a man will contribute something to the girl and/or her family. It's not gold-digging. It's just the way it is because it's a different culture. If one marries a TG, a dowry is expected, whether you're Thai or Farang. This is also part of the culture. I've had HiSo GFs who's family were loaded, but who still wanted me to take care of them in some way. It's a patriarchal society in which the man is seen as the provider. It's just that simple and not that different from Western culture 50 years ago.
Where it gets out of hand is usually with the poor, hapless Farang who falls for a scheming BG and literally buys her and her family the farm.
But, to tar all Thai women with the same brush because of this type of woman shows a complete lack of experience and understanding of Thai women and Thai culture.
It's been said time and again on here that there is a distinct difference between P4P and non-P4P and that difference needs to be understood. Above all, judging Thai women according to Western sensibilities is simply a faulty way of thinking.
Left Livingstone's this afternoon, to catch a 6.00 pm flight out. As I got into the taxi, I noticed his fuel gauge was as low as it could get. Using a combination of grunts and sign language, he indicates to me all was fine, and off Fangio went, tearing through the small sois of Bangkok at a mild 100 km / hour, or so it felt.
Getting close to the airport, this time, at 140, we go into the sweeping left turn, before the long straight away, which leads to the terminal. I can see the tower in the distance. (Did you know it is the tallest tower in the world? The resat of the airport is falling apart, but hey, there is a nice tower. YAWN)
And then, yes, horror of all horrors, the engine dies, he coasts to the side of the road, laughs stupidly, and sheepishly, says....." gas finish".
I can swear and curse pretty well in 3 different languages, unfortunately, Thai is not one of them. I get out, and just my luck, within a minute, another cab, his red light on, pulls up. I grab my bags, give the stranded driver 100 bt, (the meter was at 140), and hop into the new cab.
The remainder of the trip was uneventful.
Fun!
I was unaware of new visa restrictions put in place on 1 October 2006. The following is from asiatrav**tips.com. This may be old news for some, but I hope it helps others like me that were unaware of the new rules.
nocbj4me
Thailand Revises Visa Restrictions
In an attempt to gain greater knowledge of who is visiting Thailand and curb the amount of people working or living in the country without the correct visa or necessary permits, the Thai government has decided to enforce stricter new immigration policies beginning 1 October 2006.
Currently it is possible for nationals from 42 countries to enter Thailand without a visa for a 15 or 30 day period. These 'Permission to Enter (Visa Exemption)' stamps or 'Visa on Arrival', as they are also often known, are free of charge and can very simply be renewed by doing what is known as a visa run, or a border hop. This entails simply leaving the country, in some cases for as little as a few minutes, and then returning to get a new stamp.
The changes that will come into effect 1 October 2006, will allow nationals from 39 countries to remain in Thailand for no more than 90 days in a six month period. This means that someone who enters Thailand without a tourist visa provided by a consulate or embassy outside of Thailand, will be able to travel to Thailand as frequently as needed, as long as the amount of time spent in the country does not exceed 90 days from the date of the first arrival stamp. The arrival stamps remain, as now, at 15 or 30 days depending on nationality. Therefore, if a traveller were to try to spend more than 90 days in Thailand within a six month period, with for example, 3 back to back 30 days visa exemption stamps, then it is believed they would be refused entry and would have to remain outside the country for 90 days before being permitted to re-enter.
The changes have caused much confusion, and concern among frequent travellers to Thailand and those that are currently using the loophole to stay in Thailand indefinitely.
At press time, there had been no official statement as to how these revisions would be enforced, whether they are retroactive (although it is believed not), and how the Thai government will enlist the help of airlines bringing travellers to Thailand who have already spent more than 90 days in the country within the allotted time.
NoCBJ4me,
blue is reserved for Jackson !
It is really easy to encourage somebody to buy a pooying a house because it is not the money of all those that encourage the transaction. When it doen't work out and Erik is out of the cost of the house plus all the other additional stuff for the family , it makes for great conversation while out on a hash run, but when the lad is out the money and WORSE the pain of getting dogged and heart broken at the same time all those that sat back or encouraged it have lost nothing but have gained a story to tell over brunch at the Dusit. If you read between the lines you will note that the house is not bought yet but it looks like SOMEBODY, is already looking for an additional financial commitment. The big "WHAT IF" the house value goes down.
It might work if both were the same age and both are educated. But even then one must remember that while they have this down to a fine science we are just "babes in the woods". I know a woman that lived there for 5 years w/the IMF and nobody except contractors would end up bringing one back home as they were not well informed. She was the one that told me that they are like the Amish, only always looking for investors..I don't think there could be a better comparison. It is really easy to encourage somebody to go support somebody, buy a house or whatever because it isn't your money. This Erik seems like a decent lad to even consider it. I say pay for her college or something. You don't know how many time I have heard that same old noise about buying the pooying a house for a "save face for family" situation. Don't you get it? Then the pooying has a hold of some of your short hairs, just enough to discourage you from walking when things don't go right. She has a captive audience of a future investor. I don't have a f'd up attitude. I'm 63 and have been around long enough to see some dudes get hozed really bad. I have witnessed a nearly 100% failure rate with others. I'd keep a dumb country girl around if it was raining or really hot outside just to see what kind of nonsence she had going. Once a very pretty SOI 8 girl that seemed too classy to work there came home w/me. She was not dressed like a bargirl. She'd repeatedly climb on me and drill me unbagged. Would not sah-moke pole but was so pretty and had such a nice body I must have hit it 5 times. The next moring over brunch she's trying to get me to buy her kids school uniforms. Also she didn't eat and seemed methed out. I'd say "UNIFORMS? We just met and I paid you your money" ,"But we mek lub no kundum, she said" I'd say "OK, I buy uniforms if we go test you for HIV and you clean. Suddenly she is looking down at the ground in shame and getting up and scurrying away. CLOSE CALL? I was sweating bullets the next 3 months. More fun than watching TV, but that was not fun. One good friend just got dogged real bad by an ex that never worked the bars. He is not out financially as he sold the house right when she was hooking up with this high-roller, but she demands 1/2 the money for the house sale. He could tell by the way she behaved that something was not right. This guy paid for the college education for his ex's siblings and build the parents a house. 10's of thousands in hand outs. But the worst part is the emotional damage it did to him. Right now I am watching two guys naively caving in to the same old stuff. The mood swings didn't start until after the house was bought. Sure the girl at 7-11 will grab me and hand me the 1,000 bht note I just dropped on the floor, but they also ain't working the farhangs. There are some very honest ones. When that love bug bites and dudes get all warm and fuzzy from the soft little voice and being wai'd at all the time they don't think clearly. I am using strong lingo because I want to discourage people from getting chumped. I't really easy to write a one liner with the name of a lawyer that handles these transactions. I hear expats telling horror stories about other people with big smiles on their faces while they are getting gassed on their hash runs or whatever. Like they find it amusing that some guy just blew a ton of money. I only get 2 weeks twice a year and don't have time to play games. I would have left this alone and dropped out of this particular thread, until I saw Erik talk about the "what if" the house goes down in value? It reminded me of the time I bought this water heater at the Big C and 2 days later this bar girl is showing me a reciept for the top of the line one that she had exchanged the one I bought for her. She was asking me for the extra cost of the better one. I told he if she let me boom-boom her dtood. It was at this point I found out that some Thai girls like doing the butt thaing. That girl was diabolical, but that was chump change.
BuleDaddy,
you miss a very important point : Erik's initial approach was to HELP his GF, at least he said so.
Helping somebody means to gain no personal advantage !
But during the below discussion he admitted, that he doesn't simply want to help her as stated in his initial post, but rather intends to make her reliant on him so that she will stay with him. In case of a failure of the relationship he doesn't give shit about the problems he may have caused for her by "helping her" and simply walk away.
This is of course a completely different approach on the issue.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]
...She'd repeatedly climb on me and drill me unbagged.
..."But we mek lub no kundum, she said"
[/QUOTE]
P.S. You demand that people should care much more and consider the risks involved, "but mek lub no kundum" ?
[QUOTE=The Traveler]BuleDaddy,
you miss a very important point : Erik's initial approach was to HELP his GF, at least he said so.
Helping somebody means to gain no personal advantage !
But during the below discussion he admitted, that he doesn't simply want to help her as stated in his initial post, but rather intends to make her reliant on him so that she will stay with him. In case of a failure of the relationship he doesn't give shit about the problems he may have caused for her by "helping her" and simply walk away.
This is of course a completely different approach on the issue.
P.S. You demand that people should care much more and consider the risks involved, "but mek lub no kundum" ?[/QUOTE]I sound militant in my approach but I'm watching two very straight up friends lay down and get railroaded. If I can prevent it happening to another person even if he is a stanger, I have done my good deed for the day. The no condom thing is just another pooying scam. Like I owed these women (who probably were both infected) something extra for jumping on my johnson while it is unbagged. That was several year was back when I had melanoma, drank more and thought I was going to die anyway. They probably wanted to add more members to their club. Don't get me wrong, I love SE Asia and always have a blast, but I'm often stepping in trying to prevent people from getting scammed, like 5 drunk marines getting a $400 bar bill on Soi 8 across from that ATM machine. When I started breaking it down and did the math the bar halved the bill. Somebody is going to kill me some day for stuff like that.
Thanks ain to everyone for your opinions. I cannot sum up the different options exposed here, there are too many, but I do take on board some of them. As for the two or three last posts, can I state :
- If the girl cheats on me or something and we break in a bad dispute, no I won't give a shit of what will hapen to her, her house can be repossessed it won't be my problem.
- If we just separate because time passing it appears that we are too different or mutual feeling have gone by, yes I would care about her fate. In that case, I did mention that she could resale the house to pay back the mortgage, but also, if the value of the propoerty has gone down, she could consider renting it so the rent covers the mortgage, couldn't she ?
I might desapoint some of you, but after reading all the posts and seriously weighing them, at this stage of my reflexion, I still plan to go ahead with this idea of helping her to purchase her own house, under her name. ( Blue Daddy, I have also been paying for her English courses and I encourage her to read books so she gets more general knowledge. Then, I ask her questions about the content of the book, to make it a subject of discussion and an opprtunity for sharing ideas.)
I am now clear about the fact that with her small salary and my doubtful payments, she would have difficulty to find a bank for the mortgage. So phase B of the plan is now to put together, she and me, some money every month onto her saving account, to build up an amount and show the bank her seriousness. That is also an excuse for me to slow down the process of purchase. I antipate that in ten months time, "we" will have reached maybe a third of the amount required for the minimum deposit (is it usually 20 per % ?) and if I decide to go ahead with her, I will put the other two third. Then she buys the house and we will go on the same way with the monthly repayments. I insist that she has to put her share of her own money in the house, becuse that makes her house a more personnal effort, commiitment, not just a gift from a farang. I believe that concretly paves the way for her to eventually reach what she calls "a good life", her favorite expression. How about that ?
Gentlemen, there is no need to counsel Erik on this topic he has clearly been Whooped! The LOS (or the WWF for you red necks) has laid the smack down.
He is now in the process of pulling the wool over his own eyes, and there is absolutely nothing any one can say or do to clear his vision. Unfortunately we all have seen at least one personal acquaintance go down like this, LACK OF HEAD SPACE & TIMING! Some of us have even been through this very thing?
We are going to pull for you! Because we all still have a little kid inside of us wishing upon a star. LOL
Really, I hope it works out because i hate sad stories.
Thank you for having shared your decision with us.
I admire your motivation and wish you (Both) Happiness.
Keep us informed when the house is finished! I take it we are all invited for a drink there? LOL
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]LACK OF HEAD SPACE & TIMING![/QUOTE]I wonder if you really know what this means? I doubt that there is another member on this board who does.
[QUOTE=Erik]Thanks ain to everyone for your opinions. I cannot sum up the different options exposed here, there are too many, but I do take on board some of them. As for the two or three last posts, can I state :
- If the girl cheats on me or something and we break in a bad dispute, no I won't give a shit of what will hapen to her, her house can be repossessed it won't be my problem.
- If we just separate because time passing it appears that we are too different or mutual feeling have gone by, yes I would care about her fate. In that case, I did mention that she could resale the house to pay back the mortgage, but also, if the value of the propoerty has gone down, she could consider renting it so the rent covers the mortgage, couldn't she ?
I might desapoint some of you, but after reading all the posts and seriously weighing them, at this stage of my reflexion, I still plan to go ahead with this idea of helping her to purchase her own house, under her name. ( Blue Daddy, I have also been paying for her English courses and I encourage her to read books so she gets more general knowledge. Then, I ask her questions about the content of the book, to make it a subject of discussion and an opprtunity for sharing ideas.)
I am now clear about the fact that with her small salary and my doubtful payments, she would have difficulty to find a bank for the mortgage. So phase B of the plan is now to put together, she and me, some money every month onto her saving account, to build up an amount and show the bank her seriousness. That is also an excuse for me to slow down the process of purchase. I antipate that in ten months time, "we" will have reached maybe a third of the amount required for the minimum deposit (is it usually 20 per % ?) and if I decide to go ahead with her, I will put the other two third. Then she buys the house and we will go on the same way with the monthly repayments. I insist that she has to put her share of her own money in the house, becuse that makes her house a more personnal effort, commiitment, not just a gift from a farang. I believe that concretly paves the way for her to eventually reach what she calls "a good life", her favorite expression. How about that ?[/QUOTE]Erik,
Seems perfectly reasonable and the most important part of it that you're happy with it. You had to make a leap of faith at some point and you've done it.
Good luck!
Fish and Chips - You have no idea about anything. Your opinions about Thai women have been formed by your experiences in Go Go bars if you've even visited Thailand. Erik asked a question, lots of people offered their own opinions but ultimately it is his decision to make.
Buying a house or condo in Thailand isn't even near the same financial commitment as buying one in the west. If she runs off with a few thousand dollars/pounds/euro's so what?
At least Erik has thought through the issues and made a decision about how to support someone he cares for. Is there anything wrong with that? Certainly not.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I wonder if you really know what this means? I doubt that there is another member on this board who does.[/QUOTE]I would imagine there are more than a few of us who spent a little time in the big green machine and learned a thing or two about the importance of getting the head space and timing correct. Ah, the good ole days and the fun of an M2 with butterfly triggers.
BuleDaddy,
You are entitled to your opinion like everybody else.
But how do you know that Erik's GF isn't a decent person?
We don't know nothing about her and your point of view rather sounds like a collection of prejudices and not a judgement made on a person by person basis.
Erik sounds like a decent guy who uses his brain before making a final decision.
Additionally he doesn't intend to spend his last money on her so he won't be broken if things turn out the wrong way.
Hi Guys,
Does anyone know a good place in Bangkok (near Sukhumvit area) for learning Thai. What is the normal duration and cost for learning basic and advance Thai.
Thanks,
Kool Dude
[QUOTE=The Traveler]NoCBJ4me,
blue is reserved for Jackson ![/QUOTE][blue] TT - what are you talking about?[/blue]
[QUOTE=Piper1][blue] TT - what are you talking about?[/blue][/QUOTE]He is refering to the fact that Jackson has asked us not to write in blue, which he reserves for his own comments. See the Rules page.
[QUOTE=Piper1][blue] TT - what are you talking about?[/blue][/QUOTE]Dam! He's right! Blue is reservered! Arrrrgh!
Erik,
Good luck with the girl. Please keep us all posted and let us know how it goes. If it goes supernova on you, don't worry. You'll always be welcome here.
[QUOTE=Kool Dude]Hi Guys,
Does anyone know a good place in Bangkok (near Sukhumvit area) for learning Thai. What is the normal duration and cost for learning basic and advance Thai.
[/QUOTE]Kool Dude,
There is a place right behind the Villa Market (soi 33/1) that teaches Thai to us foreigners ;)
All levels, from Beginner to advanced and you have the option to be in classes with other people or have private lessons.
Of course price varies but it's not that expensive if I recall correctly.
[QUOTE=Fish N Chips]Geee Retired Army,
I guess your the only one who has been in the military.[/QUOTE]
Not just the military, but the infantry where I was intimately familiar with the Ma Duce. I doubt that the Air Force, Navy or Coast Guard knows much about "Head Space and Timing."
While a soldier, I wasn't in "da Mercan" army. But, I still knows it when I sees it.
:)
Oh, the headspace in a 20mm cannon is important as well. There's a little go/nogo gage for it. (pop worked on those and I still have the (50 year old) gage - myself I just never got into anything quite that big - unless you want to count the 105mm M-60 main gun/90mm M-48 main gun - otherwise .45 and smaller - except for the bloop gun)
Lets redefine head space and timing for what really counts now in our old age as seen from the perspective of our favorite plaything.
Head Space = will that big ugly dick fit into my tight little pussy?
Timing = is he going to cum too quick and not give me any satisfaction?
[QUOTE=Piper1][blue] TT - what are you talking about?[/blue][/QUOTE]
Piper1,
typing in blue is considered as spam.
Just click on "RULES" on top of the screen, scroll down a bit and you will see that blue is in fact reserved for Jackson.
It ever was, a senior like you should know.
[quote=fish n chips]again, i need your attention on this topic![/quote]
if such places still exist in thailand, i should think it would be on the andaman sea side of things around the similans. there are of course the 800+ islands in mergui archepelago off the coast of burma. few if any are inhabited, if you wanted to have a true robinson crusoe experience with a girl 'friday'. you can get boats out of mergui. having been there, i can attest to the fact that it really is isolated and some of the islands feel like the tv show "lost". but, i wouldn't recommend anyone do anything in burma for poiltical reasons.
there is also the option of the 100s of islands off langkawi in malaysia (closer to satun thailand, actually). they arrange boats to take you to the out islands and drop you off for a day or overnight. langkawi is quite beautiful. yet nobody ever seems to go there. you can fly into the main island on airasia or take the speed boat either from penang or satun.
[QUOTE=Piper1][blue] TT - what are you talking about?[/blue][/QUOTE]
Piper- [blue]hell with these guys, you[/blue] [red]can type in [/red] [blue]any color you like[/blue] :D
Landed late last night, didn't get into G's till close to midnight and he was already in bed. Family in town so he had to behave....LOL.
Sports Bar was very quiet but found a newbie, just divorced last month and on the job for 4 wks. Had to take one for the gang and was extremely patient all night.
T1234,
you guys may think of being funny when typing in blue, even though you know it's against the rules.
Does that mean that you believe those rules do not apply for you ?
IMHO, it's not just respectless towards Jackson who demanded it for a very good reason, but it may also be a first step in ignoring rules which everybody of us has to respect in here.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Piper1,
typing in blue is considered as spam.
Just click on "RULES" on top of the screen, scroll down a bit and you will see that blue is in fact reserved for Jackson.
It ever was, a senior like you should know.[/QUOTE]Trav - Relax man, I was just pulling your strings. Hey, I was waiting for you to kick my butt after my "blah blah" post in the photo chit-chat thread. I'm disappointed! ;)
piper,
actually i don't read much of the forum these days, especially not in the pic section. i only click on the pics to see if any member had the same chicks i had and that's it.
why should i read that constant bickering about posted pics and care that others may feel the need to throw their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113][CodeWord113][/url] at each other. that's really not worth my time.
anyway, you weren't pulling my strings, blue isn't reserved for me and i couldn't care less, it's jackson's rule, not mine. but it's quite respectless towards him because you deliberately posted in blue only to provoke. don't you have better things to do ? btw, same applies for t1234.
[quote=the traveler]piper,
actually i don't read much of the forum these days, especially not in the pic section. i only click on the pics to see if any member had the same chicks i had and that's it.
why should i read that constant bickering about posted pics and care that others may feel the need to throw their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord113][CodeWord113][/url] at each other. that's really not worth my time.
anyway, you weren't pulling my strings, blue isn't reserved for me and i couldn't care less, it's jackson's rule, not mine. but it's quite respectless towards him because you deliberately posted in blue only to provoke. don't you have better things to do ? btw; same applies for t1234.[/quote]trav - there's a difference between disrespect and a bit of fun. most people can tell the difference.
besides - it was your strings i pulled, and you danced. :d
no i have nothing better to do. :(
;)
[QUOTE=The Traveler]T1234,
you guys may think of being funny when typing in blue, even though you know it's against the rules.
Does that mean that you believe those rules do not apply for you ?
IMHO, it's not just respectless towards Jackson who demanded it for a very good reason, but it may also be a first step in ignoring rules which everybody of us has to respect in here.[/QUOTE]
Piper said it best, just a joke. I'm sure jackson knows we show no disrespect toward him or the board. This board is meant to be fun - don't be so darn serious :)
Piper, T1234,
different people have different kinds of humour.
Some find it funny to joke about cucumbers and jacuzzis, others don't.
It's not that I don't know when people are trying to make fun, but don't expect me to laugh about every nonsense.
I also know when people try to be provocative, Piper already admitted that "he tried to pull strings".
Do I have to say more ?
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Piper, T1234,
different people have different kinds of humour.
Some find it funny to joke about cucumbers and jacuzzis, others don't.
It's not that I don't know when people are trying to make fun, but don't expect me to laugh about every nonsense.
I also know when people try to be provocative, Piper already admitted that "he tried to pull strings".
Do I have to say more ?[/QUOTE]
The fight club thread has been empty for months - let's move over there :D
Have a great weekend, wherever you are my friend.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Piper, T1234,
different people have different kinds of humour.
Some find it funny to joke about cucumbers and jacuzzis, others don't.
[/QUOTE]
I love jokes about cucumbers and jacuzzis. :D
[QUOTE=The Traveler]
Do I have to say more ?[/QUOTE]
No, but you will.
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]The fight club thread has been empty for months - let's move over there :D
Have a great weekend, wherever you are my friend.[/QUOTE]
T1234,
no need to.
I have no beef with you or Piper, just expressed my opinion as you did yours.
We seem to differ, but that's no reason for a fight, isn't it ?
Have a nice weekend as well.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]T1234,
no need to.
I have no beef with you or Piper, just expressed my opinion as you did yours.
We seem to differ, but that's no reason for a fight, isn't it ?
Have a nice weekend as well.[/QUOTE]
Traveler, here's a hint: When you are pointedly challenged as to your ability to hold your tongue and say NOTHING, you might try ACTUALLY saying nothing, instead of making yet another post on the subject while CLAIMING that you will not say any more about it.
sorry for the off topic question here lads.
We all know just about any medication you might need are available at the corner pharmacy in BKK, but do any of you have any experience about where to find [b]pet meds?[/b] One of my dogs needs a daily pill, which is no problem, but the vets here, in order to squeeze a bit more out of me, want a blood test every six months. I don't have a problem with once a year, but at 200$ a pop, it gets pricey.
Is it possible to buy pet meds in LOS with no prescription, and if so, can anyone tell me where?
[QUOTE=1Ball], but at 200$ a pop, it gets pricey.
Is it possible to buy pet meds in LOS with no prescription, and if so, can anyone tell me where?[/QUOTE]
1 Ball,
Many pet meds are also the same meds used by people but labelled under a different brand name and often charged more. Just find out the generic name or chemical name of the drug used and easy to check on-line for equivalent and then buy it anywhere in LOS --usually no RX needed but not sure about really strong narcotics?, but assume your pet is not a junkie.
Hope this helps
PT
[QUOTE=1Ball]
Is it possible to buy pet meds in LOS with no prescription, and if so, can anyone tell me where?[/QUOTE]
Hey 1 Ball,
just PM you with some info, hope this will get you the stuff you need.
Let me know if you need some more info. and I could do a further search when I get a chance.
Also before I forget,
not all drugs are available in every country, so may or may not be possible to find in LOS.
Cheers
PT
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
here's a hint too.
When you aren't part of a conversation and don't want to prolong it, hold your tongue and say NOTHING instead of making a post on the subject lecturing others that they shouldn't say anything anymore.[/QUOTE]
What makes you think that I didn't want to prolong it? Do you honestly believe that I didn't anticipate your responding in a defensive manner? Hardly. I was looking for exactly the type of entertainment you delivered - a marionette show, as it were, with me pulling your strings, and you responding exactly as I manipulated you to do. Piper is not the only one who is pulling your strings. Although, with several of us pulling on them at once, it does appear that your responses sometimes seem to get tangled up in knots.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]What makes you think that I didn't want to prolong it? Do you honestly believe that I didn't anticipate your responding in a defensive manner? Hardly. I was looking for exactly the type of entertainment you delivered - a marionette show, as it were, with me pulling your strings, and you responding exactly as I manipulated you to do. Piper is not the only one who is pulling your strings.[/QUOTE]
Member #2041,
LOL, you are giving yourself a pat on the back but don't see that your strings are pulled as well.
I also find it quite interesting that someone like you - who goes bareback and rejects any criticism and well meant advice with "It's my fucking business, not yours" - does criticize and try to lecture others. Very interesting indeed.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
LOL, you are giving yourself a pat on the back but don't see that your strings are pulled as well.
I also find it quite interesting that someone like you - who goes bareback and rejects any criticism and well meant advice with "It's my fucking business, not yours" - does criticize and try to lecture others. Very interesting indeed.[/QUOTE]
Ironically, it was never established in the earlier discussions to which you allude that I in fact go bareback with pros - or rather, could I have merely been yanking your chain for entertaining effect (as I am here). What we DID, however establish in that earlier dialogue, was that you had proven to be completely ineffective in your self-appointed role of the sole arbiter of behaviors which might productively be discussed on an international monger board.
[quote=member #2041]ironically, it was never established in the earlier discussions to which you allude that i in fact go bareback with pros. what we did, however establish in that earlier dialogue, was that you had proven to be completely ineffective in your self-appointed role of the sole arbiter of behaviors which might acceptably discussed on an international monger board.[/quote]
member #2041,
how can you discuss any matter with someone who rejects all well meant advice and claims that his (mis)behaviour - even if it may do damage to other peoples life - is solely his own business and can not be a subject of criticism or advice ?
if i really should have failed in that earlier discussion, then you do also fail right now as my response to t1234 is simply "not your fucking business".
please note, that my answer to t1234 does not bear the potential of harming or killing another person opposite to your barebacking.
just to set things straight : you first admitted to go bareback in a post and when being criticized by others you tried to change the whole thing. i got involved much later, so it's very clear that you haven't been yanking my chain for entertaining effect. your reaction was very similar to o****'s one, but he had the balls to stand for it while you showed the white feather.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
how can you discuss any matter with someone who rejects all well meant advice and claims that his (mis)behaviour - even if it may do damage to other peoples life - is solely his own business and can not be a subject of criticism or advice ?
If I really should have failed in that earlier discussion, then you do also fail right now as my response to T1234 is simply "not your fucking business".
Please note, that my answer to T1234 does not bear the potential of harming or killing another person opposite to your barebacking.[/QUOTE]
For starters, you don't know that I've rejected any advice, as I don't believe that you were in the room during any of my adventures with Thai ladies, and hence, you haven't a clue as to what I was or wasn't doing. Not to mention the fact that there are thousands of such interactions which occur for every one that actually (or fictitiously, for that matter) gets reported on forums such as these - which is why your interjection of "well meaning advice" is both laughable and entirely overstated in it's value in your own mind.
And second, since we have established that all you ACTUALLY know that I have done is to make you appear silly and overly impressed by your own self-importance on this forum, I fail to see how anything that I have done here on an online forum has the potential of harming or killing another person - unless that were to be the consequence of your brain's reaction to your being soundly trounced in an argument with someone else's online personna which you have no way whatsoever of knowing to be representative of actual behavior in the slightest.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]For starters, you don't know that I've rejected any advice, as I don't believe that you were in the room during any of my adventures with Thai ladies, and hence, you haven't a clue as to what I was or wasn't doing. Not to mention the fact that there are thousands of such interactions which occur for every one that actually (or fictitiously, for that matter) gets reported on forums such as these - which is why your interjection of "well meaning advice" is both laughable and entirely overstated in it's value in your own mind.
And second, since we have established that all you ACTUALLY know that I have done is to make you appear silly and overly impressed by your own self-importance on this forum, I fail to see how anything that I have done here on an online forum has the potential of harming or killing another person - unless that were to be the consequence of your brain's reaction to your being soundly trounced in an argument with someone else's online personna which you have no way whatsoever of knowing to be representative of actual behavior in the slightest.[/QUOTE]
Member #2041,
I don't ACTUALLY know anything about what you may or may not have done. I never said I do.
All I can do and all I did is to respond to what you have said about yourself.
This leads us to the conclusion that you either did what you have posted in here - which would make all I have said a valid statement - or that you did lie.
So please enlighten us or do you want to beat about the bush endlessly like Opebo ?
Your below remark that you "[i]fail to see how anything that you have done here on an online forum has the potential of harming or killing another person[/i]" shows very clearly that you haven't understood a single word. That's sad because I expected you to be smarter.
Nevertheless I explain it to you :
Nobody cares what you do or don't do in this or another forum as everything you can do here is only bits and bytes. But since we don't expect you to be a liar we expect that your posts reflect your ACTUAL behaviour in the real world. And this behaviour in the real world is the subject of criticism.
But if you have been lying, well, than any criticism was in fact in vain.
[quote=the traveler]member #2041,
i don't actually know anything about what you may or may not have done. i never said i do.
all i can do and all i did is to respond to what you have said about yourself.
this leads us to the conclusion that you either did what you have posted in here - which would make all i have said a valid statement - or that you did lie.
so please enlighten us or do you want to beat about the bush endlessly like opebo ?[/quote]
what i did was to intentionally use obvious hyperbole and obfurep001e the actual details, so that you personally did not actually know what i did or did not actually do in my interactions with thai ladies. because, as i was quite clear to point out repeatedly at that time, it was a) not any of your damn business, and b) utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence the safety of your own behavior or that of others, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum. the purpose for my intentional obfurep001ion was to make it clear that the only actual control you, or anyone else, for that matter could possibly hope to have in affecting the safety of your own interactions, would be how you personally conducted yourself within those interactions. but, it's quite clear that you missed this point 6 months ago when we hashed it out, and you continue to do so to this very day.
[quote=member #2041]what i did was to intentionally obfurep001e the actual details, so that you personally did not actually know what i did or did not actually do in my interactions with thai ladies. because, as i was quite clear to point out repeatedly at that time, it was a) not any of your damn business, and b) utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence the safety of your own behavior or that of others, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum. the purpose for my intentional obfurep001ion was to make it clear that the only actual control you, or anyone else, for that matter could possibly hope to have in affecting the safety of your own interactions, would be how you personally conducted yourself within those interactions. but, it's quite clear that you missed this point 6 months ago when we hashed it out, and you continue to do so to this very day.[/quote]
funny though,
now we are were we started.
do you see the parallels ?
a) it's not any of your damn business (read my below post)
b) it's utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence my behavior or that of others on if and how to respond to posts, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum.
btw, not i have missed the point but you did.
your behaviour does in fact influence my own safety in case of a breaking condom - as nobody can't eliminate all risks and this is something that isn't totally under my control - because a bigger number of infected people will increase my risk in running into a hiv carrier. that's no rocket science and even you should understand it.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Funny though,
now we are were we started.
Do you see the parallels ?
A) It's not any of your damn business (read below)
B) It's utterly laughable for you to believe that your reply might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence my behavior or that of others on if and how to respond to posts, by the action of your lecturing others on an anonymous forum.
BTW, not I have missed the point but you did.
Your behaviour does in fact influence my own safety in case of a breaking condom - as this is something that isn't totally under my control - because a bigger number of infected people will increase my risk in running into a HIV carrier. That's no rocket science and even you should understand it.[/QUOTE]
In fact, you are wrong. What I do or don't do with MY Thai lady has asymptotically zero impact on the likelihood of you encountering incremental risk when YOU interact with some other random Thai lady and your condom breaks. It's not rocket science, it's statistics - and I DO understand it, even though YOU clearly do not. A single data point/observation has asymptotically zero impact on a probability distribution drawn from a large population. You are trying to meaningfully impact the weight of a massive haystack by attempting to isolate a single straw from it. Your time is much better spent researching which condoms and which methodologies for using them will minimize breakage - and applying this lesson yourself - either that, or stay celibate - now THAT will make a difference in your incremental risk incurred.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]In fact, you are wrong. What I do or don't do with MY Thai lady has asymptotically zero impact on the likelihood of you encountering incremental risk when YOU interact with some other random Thai lady and your condom breaks. It's not rocket science, it's statistics - and I DO understand it, even though YOU clearly do not. A single data point/observation has asymptotically zero impact on a probability distribution drawn from a large population. You are trying to meaningfully impact the weight of a massive haystack by attempting to isolate a single straw from it. Your time is much better spent researching which condoms and which methodologies for using them will minimize breakage - and applying this lesson yourself - either that, or stay celibate - now THAT will make a difference in your incremental risk incurred.[/QUOTE]
LOL, did you skip math ?
Have you ever heard of ascending powers ?
YOU will infect YOUR Thai lady, who will infect others, who will again infect others and so on. That's how an epedemic spreads and viruses reproduce. Put a single bacteria on a culture medium and watch how it divides endlessly. It's simply a question of the reproduction rate and time and one infected person may finally result in millions of infected people.
Or how do you think infections spread ? Put one person with Ebola in a big city like New York and see what will happen. Or do you remember SARS ?
So it's not just a static single data point but a dynamic one that reproduces by ascending powers !
YOU only have to infect 2 people in total, YOUR 2 Thai ladies only have to infect 2 people each, all those on the next level only have to infect again 2 people each and after repeating it 33 times the whole human mankind will be infected because 2³³ = 8.589.934.592. This is far more than the current world population which is estimated at 6.6 billion at Mai 2007.
If we would all be promiscuous and nobody would use comdoms we would be distinct in a few decades. Simply the fact that many people are monogamic or do use condoms saves us from distinction. Your survival depends on our sexual behaviour. You are like someone who is crossing a highway and hopes that people will break. If they do you claim that your behaviour was safe.
You are simply denying your responsibility and downplaying what impact your actions may have. In short : you are ignorant like most barebacking freaks.
Take a look at [url]http://www.worldmapper.org/[/url] they have quite interesting maps. They don't show maps in the conventional way but modify them as the eye is more able to catch different numbers by size rather than colour.
This is a map of the total population
[url]http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=2[/url]
This is a map of condom use by men
[url]http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=226[/url]
This is a map of condom use by women
[url]http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=225[/url]
And finally a map of HIV prevalence
[url]http://www.worldmapper.org/display.php?selected=227[/url]
[QUOTE=The Traveler]LOL, did you skip math ?
Have you ever heard of ascending powers ?
YOU will infect YOUR Thai lady, who will infect others, who will again infect others and so on. That's how an epedemic spreads and viruses reproduce. Put a single bacteria on a culture medium and watch how it divides endlessly. It's simply a question of the reproduction rate and time and one infected person may finally result in millions of infected people.
Or how do you think infections spread ? Put one person with Ebola in a big city like New York and see what will happen.
So it's not just a static single data point but a dynamic one that reproduces by ascending powers !
You are simply denying your responsibility and downplaying what impact your actions may have. In short : you are ignorant like most barebacking freaks.
[/QUOTE]
No, I am NOT downplaying my own impact, nor am I the slightest bit ignorant. YOU, however are completely ignorant of what I am doing, and that will NEVER change. What I am downplaying is simply the validity of your attempts to devine what my impact in fact is upon you - because you can never hope to do so. Even were I to completely agree with you on this forum, you could not possibly hope to know what I was actually doing, and any belief that you had made your own actions less risky by suggesting to me a course of action would be completely incorrect - because there would be NOTHING upon which you could actually know that I followed the course of action you proscribed for me, even were I to acknowledge that I should and state unequivocally that I would follow said course.
Sorry Traveler, but your logic is fundamentally flawed - first of all, your assumption that I am infected in the first place is erroneous. As for ascending powers - once you multiply the total by zero, (which my actually being uninfected essentially does) it doesn't matter how high all the other powers are - the incremental impact on you is in fact zero. And 2nd, you don't even know if I am barebacking and you can NEVER know it, unless you were in the room with me at the time. The fact is, YOU are the ONLY one who can reduce your own risk, acting individually. You do it by regulating your own behavior. While you are attempting to impact MY behavior, you are in fact completely neglecting the behavior of the infinite number of individuals who are NOT me, some percentage of whom ARE carrying out risky behavior, without ever reading your own bloviations on this forum.
The fact is, you can only hope to impact your own risk factors by addressing the items under your control. And what an uninfected person does is irrelevant, and what an infected person whom you are failing to address does is going to be the one that infects you. You are engaged in a falacy.
If YOU become celibate, you can completely eliminate your own risk. I suggest that you would be much better off doing so, than yammering on and on to someone who's own behavior is both completely unknown to you, and completely irrelevant to your risk factors. Failing that, you should make your own risk/reward assessments in your own activities, just as I do, fully aware of the fact that OTHER folks who don't know you from Adam don't and won't give a damn about you, and you are the only one who bears that particular responsibility.
Member #2041,
your argumentation is icompletely missing the point.
It doesn't matter if I know what you or others are doing or not doing. I never said that I do know or will modify my behaviour depending on yours. If you go bareback - and that was your initial stement a few months ago - then you do have an impact on my risk, no matter what.
BTW, all others who wear condoms do also have an impact on my risk, but they do not increase it.
It also doesn't matter if I am willing or not to take a certain risk, you still have an impact on that risk no matter how small or big that risk may be.
And even if you aren't infected now (should we trust you this time ?), you don't have to be the original source of the epedemic, you can be placed at any stage of the described system, but nonetheless you will be a part of it and spreading it sooner or later.
So how can you deny that a bigger number of infected people will have an impact on the residual risk we all face ?
Or do you deny the fact that a bigger number of infected people will increase the likelyhood of running into one of them ?
Traveler and Member
While not meaning to get in the middle of your little tiff, this all seems kind of funny given that it grew out of a couple of other guys who wrote something in blue, which yanked Trav's chain.
Sorry. But, it's gotten kind of silly. Maybe we should go back to talking about 1Ball's pet meds or Retired Army's Head Space and Timing.
Anything, but this. Just my 2 baht's worth....
...I think I'll head over to the photo gallery to see what latest travesty of Thai pulcritude has been posted for our viewing displeasure.
OTH;
yes it's silly in some way but it's also an interesting topic.
Member #2041 argumentation reminds me of Opebo, who was also denying his responsibility for his actions.
He doesn't want to see that he is part of a huge complex system in which all parts interact in one way or the other.
I agree with him - and ever did - that everybody has to make his own decisions and shouldn't modify his own behaviour depending on his beliefs or knowledge about the behaviour of others.
BTW, he doesn't understand that we agree in this point, as his repetitive argumentation and turning in circles proves.
But I disagree that he hasn't any impact on the residual risk. This risk exist independent from my beliefs or knowledge. And even if I try to minimize it by my own behaviour, it will still be there and it's the sum of everybody's behaviour. Therefore everybody has an impact on that risk, he may increase or decrease it, but he has an impact.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
your argumentation is icompletely missing the point.
It doesn't matter if I know what you or others are doing or not doing. I never said that I do know or will modify my behaviour depending on yours. If you go bareback - and that was your initial stement a few months ago - then you do have an impact on my risk, no matter what.
BTW, all others who wear condoms do also have an impact on my risk, but they do not increase it.
It also doesn't matter if I am willing or not to take a certain risk, you still have an impact on that risk no matter how small or big that risk may be.
And even if you aren't infected now (should we trust you this time ?), you don't have to be the original source of the epedemic, you can be placed at any stage of the described system, but nonetheless you will be a part of it and spreading it sooner or later.
So how can you deny that a bigger number of infected people will have an impact on the residual risk we all face ?
Or do you deny the fact that a bigger number of infected people will increase the likelyhood of running into one of them ?[/QUOTE]
Traveler, What I am absolutely denying is that your lecturing people on this anonymous forum has ANY impact whatsoever on your risk factors. Whether I agree with you, or disagree with you, or choose to state I agree with you while actually disagreeing with you, or actually agree with you while choosing to yank your chain, YOU cannot draw any meaningful conclusion at all, other than that you must control your OWN behaviour as your own risk/reward assesment guides you to. I can assure you, if you are entirely celibate, than what I do, and whether I end up infected or remain uninfected will continue to be completely irrelevant for you.
And no, I am not like Opebo. I do not in any way deny responsibility for my actions. I deny that YOU have anything whatsoever to do with my actions, nor do you even have the remotest of clues as to what they are. And conversely, because of this, me and my actions ought damn well not have any influence on yours. Unless, of course, you are a complete fool.
Member #2041,
you again completely miss the point.
I never said or did believe that anything I say in here may reduce or may have any other impact at all on the risks I face.
What I said was, that YOUR behaviour does in fact influence MY risk as everybody else's risk as shown below. You aren't alone in the world and if you, Opebo or others spread diseases then it will have an effect for all others as a bigger number of infected people increases the likelihood of running into one of them.
Maybe you haven't realized that life is too complex to control every tiny part of it, condoms may break or you simply may have bad luck. It's also absolutely unimportant what kind of risk I am willing to take, since you are a part of the same world you do have an impact on that risk too.
All your talking about lecturing and the like is nothing but an attempt to distract from that fact.
It's not about what I think or do, it's only about people who go bareback and if such behaviour has an influence on the residual risk of all others.
[QUOTE=The Traveler]Member #2041,
you again completely miss the point.
I never said or did believe that anything I say in here may reduce or have any other impact at all on the risks I face.[/QUOTE]
OK, then given that I have already established that I couldn't care less about your opinion and I entirely disregard it, why do you continue to try to "educate me" in this matter? You continue to cling to the statement that I am altering YOUR risks, and you continue to argue that I ought to alter my behavior. Given that I have already made it quite clear that I give your views no credence whatsoever, wouldn't it be more efficient for you not to waste your time attempting to preach to me, and to others who have made it equally clear that we do not agree with you.
So what exactly IS your point? Since we already know that you cannot have any hope of altering my behavior, or my own opinion of you - I am curious what YOU hope to accomplish. As for me, what I am accomplishing is demonstrating how obtuse you are, and each of your continued responses in this thread contributes in that effort.
BTW, unlike yourself - I'm going to have to declare victory here, and make it clear that I won't bother reading nor replying to any further posts of yours from this point forward. Fortunately, I see that we have a control panel option to ignore that makes it possible for me to not bother seeing your posts any more. You're now on mine.
Member #2041,
that's your mistake from the beginning.
You take for granted that I try to alter your behaviour, but I don't.
I simply discuss the question if people who go bareback do have an influence on the residual risk of others.
The fact that you haven't understood it, clearly shows that you aren't as smart as you pretend. You lack the ability of listening to your opponent or to understand what has been said. Maybe you are too egocentric and self-absobed to listen to others and think it's always all about you. But you only stand as a placeholder for all others who go bareback. That's why your argumentation is always missing the point.
I am well aware that someone with your ego and attitude will never ever alter his behaviour or admit a mistake. Don't take yourself too important.
You don't like to be criticized or lectured, but just tried to do that to me. You failed miserably with this attempt and now the lecturer (you) got lectured that it isn't wise to do such thing with the wrong person. Funny, isn't it ? :)
P.S. You constantly modify your posts afterwards, nevertheless adding a declared victory doesn't mean to have actually won, seems you rather ran out of arguments and don't have answers to the raised questions.
And why so emotional, but I am happy to be on your ignore list as it will save me your endless beating about the bush.
Finally, do you remember where we started ?
So who is pulling who's strings and who should admit being a defeated marionette instead of claiming victory :D
Yawn.
Is it [blue]over[/blue] now :( ?
Giotto
[QUOTE=Giotto]Yawn.
Is it [blue]over[/blue] now :( ?
Giotto[/QUOTE]
2 Yawns :)
I've got a Motorola V551 and my current carrier is Cingular. I'd like to be able to use this phone while I'm in Bangkok. From what I've read, the easist thing to do is to buy a temporary SIM card for the phone.
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out. First off is my phone locked? Will it work outside of the US? Is there any way to check it or tell besides buying a card and trying?
Does anyone have any recommendations on which card to get? I assume there are various network providers in Bangkok. Is one better or worse than the others? Where is the best place to get a card the airport, 7/11 or is it better to go someplace else? And about how much will just the SIM card cost? I know I have to buy minutes for the SIM card once the card is installed.
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?
[QUOTE=Giotto]Yawn. Is it [blue]over[/blue] now :( ?Giotto[/QUOTE]Not yet. ;)[QUOTE=Member #2041] ... it's statistics - and I DO understand it, even though YOU clearly do not. A single data point/observation has asymptotically zero impact on a probability distribution drawn from a large population. [/QUOTE]Ah, but 2041, have you taken account the biased sample, partly due to self-selection of the subjects, which could result in homoscedascity of the data? Not to mention possible heterogeneity. I suggest you do a box-test followed by a log-linear transformation of the data before assuming that the results of the MANOVA F-test are valid.
PS, TT - sorry about the color joke that started all this. I'm actually color-blind. :D
[QUOTE=Piper1]
PS, TT - sorry about the color joke that started all this. I'm actually color-blind. :D[/QUOTE]
Piper,
your color 'joke' has nothing to do with it.
Member #2041 just used it as a smoke screen to criticize and lecture others.
Strange enough he doesn't like to be criticized and lectured himself.
Additionally it's simply "[i]not his damn business[/i]" if and how people respond to posts and "[i]it's utterly laughable for him to believe that his lecturing might in any way, shape or form, actually serve to influence my behavior or that of others on if and how to respond to posts, by the action of his lecturing others on an anonymous forum.[/i]".
That's why he failed so miserably in his attempt.
There is a huge difference between having an opinion and posting it or trying to tell other people what they have to do.
I tried to explain the statistical principles to rubbery little Bengali Girl while we were in the Jacuzzi - it's my form of foreplay. She found it very stimulating. In fact, I couldn't control her.
Piper,
she looks indeed very interested and ethusiastic :D
[QUOTE=Piper1]I tried to explain the statistical principles to rubbery little Bengali Girl while we were in the Jacuzzi - it's my form of foreplay. She found it very stimulating. In fact, I couldn't control her.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure that in fact she was exausted after her mind blowing sessions with yourself. You're being far too modest Mr Piper :)
Yeah, back to reality and Piper's photo this is something that constantly amazes me about Thai's - at drop of a hat they can be fast asleep. Turn around to get some ice for the drinks and... WTF!!!
[QUOTE=Piper1]I tried to explain the statistical principles to rubbery little Bengali Girl while we were in the Jacuzzi - it's my form of foreplay. She found it very stimulating. In fact, I couldn't control her.[/QUOTE]
Since she's sleeping in water, and she probably tasted like fish, I would conclude that she is an example of the Poisson distribution.
2041 - I love it when you talk French. ;)
Okay - enough fun. Time we got back to serious business, gents. No?
PS - FunTimes - Bengali Girl fell asleep *before* the action with Jungle Girl (but she woke up later for lots of fun).
[QUOTE=Member #3060]I've got a Motorola V551 and my current carrier is Cingular. I'd like to be able to use this phone while I'm in Bangkok. From what I've read, the easist thing to do is to buy a temporary SIM card for the phone.
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out. First off is my phone locked? Will it work outside of the US? Is there any way to check it or tell besides buying a card and trying?
Does anyone have any recommendations on which card to get? I assume there are various network providers in Bangkok. Is one better or worse than the others? Where is the best place to get a card the airport, 7/11 or is it better to go someplace else? And about how much will just the SIM card cost? I know I have to buy minutes for the SIM card once the card is installed.
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?[/QUOTE]
Your phone might be locked. The easest way to tell is to go to the forth (I think, or fifth) floor of MBK Shopping Mall. MBK is the last stop (National Stadium) of the Sky Train. Buy a cheap sim card (1 2 call is probably the best because you can get recharges at any 7-11 convience store), put it in your phone and see it it works. If it doesn't, take it to one of the phone repair places in MBK and ask to have it unlocked. It should cost about 500THB. I think the cheapest card is 150 THB which includes about 50 THB of air time.
[QUOTE=Member #3060]I've got a Motorola V551 and my current carrier is Cingular. I
There are a few things I'm trying to figure out. First off is my phone locked? Will it work outside of the US? Is there any way to check it or tell besides buying a card and trying?
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?[/QUOTE]
Cingular branded phones are always lock - if you're customer of sufficient length, they'll unlock; call CMS.
If it is tri-band or quad band, it will work in Asia; I don't know the V551 but just check your manual. As far as charging, not an issue. Only think you would need is adaptor - US plugs don't always work in Bkk. A good one to buy is what is sold in duty free magazine/in-flight or airport, swiss made, fat round, dark brown color.
Prepaid sim 1-2 brand is B$99 and then you need to purchase minutes, buy B$300 and get 330 minutes, then ask them to access international roaming (just in case you want to use it outside of bkk).
If it is tri-band or quad band, it will work in Asia; I don't know the V551 but just check your manual.
The v551 is a Quad band phone.
[QUOTE=Member #3060]
Last problem is what do I do about charging the phone? The battery won't last a full week without charging. Will I need to get a converter before charging my phone so I don't fry it?[/QUOTE]
99.9% of cellular phones will automatically convert between 110-220 volts. Actually, they will take 12v from your car's electrical system and still charge the battery.
Depends on the hotel you are staying. If it's a fairly decent hotel and they have a shaver socket in the bathroom you can use that to charge your phone. It will accept either the standard U.S. flat plugs or the round European types. No need to purchase an adapter.
T123 is correct that it has to be either a tri- or quad-band phone which most U.S. phones are not. So I would check your owner's manual or service provided to determine if your phone will work in Thailand. If it doesn't, you can pick up a cheap phone in MBK, use it for a week, and then give it to some poor, deserving soul who can use it when you leave.
I like the older Nokia phones, still available in Thailand. they don't have the screen which can show pictures, so it is a sort of light green screen, with black writing.
The advantage is you can see what is on the screen even in bright sunlight. I cannot seem to find phones like this in the USA anymore.
Does someone know what kind of phone I can buy in LOS, with a similar screen, which will also work in the USA? I have heard something about 2 band, 4 band, or similar, and have no idea what they are talking about, except to say my current phone I use in Asia doesn't work in the USA. I have T-Mobile, so I would love to get an "old fashioned" phone in LOS, and just put in my T-Mobile SIM card in the USA. If i can find such an animal, i will probably buy 2 or 3 for future use.
Any ideas?
Thanks
[QUOTE=1Ball]I like the older Nokia phones, still available in Thailand. they don't have the screen which can show pictures, so it is a sort of light green screen, with black writing.
The advantage is you can see what is on the screen even in bright sunlight. I cannot seem to find phones like this in the USA anymore.
Does someone know what kind of phone I can buy in LOS, with a similar screen, which will also work in the USA? I have heard something about 2 band, 4 band, or similar, and have no idea what they are talking about, except to say my current phone I use in Asia doesn't work in the USA. I have T-Mobile, so I would love to get an "old fashioned" phone in LOS, and just put in my T-Mobile SIM card in the USA. If i can find such an animal, i will probably buy 2 or 3 for future use.
Any ideas?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
That current phone you use in Asia only is a dual-band GSM, runs only on 900, 1800 which are not in the US. For what it's worth, that phone will work in Europe if you ever go there. If you find tri-band in Asia, chances are the 3rd frequency is 1900 which is the most common GSM frequency in the US. If you want to be sure to go anywhere and not worry about GSM reception, get a quad-band: it will have all the frequencies you need to get around the world.
I'm not sure you will find old-fashioned phones that are also quad-band, but I seem to recall there were models that could have been tri-band. These old-fashioned phones are still available in LOS and PI because they're very cheap. But because they're cheap, they may not be available with the extra frequencies. Guess you will just have to hunt.
Holy downward spiral Batman,
With all the recent turmoil in LOS and talks of economic downturn, the only thing thats in a downward spiral is the dollar.
I was in LOS in Nov and got 37b to the dollar.
Now, its barely 33b!! (even after the bombings and coup, it was still over 36)
Just to keep you guys informed so adjust your beer consumptions and shagging accordingly.
PT
The phone you want is a Nokia 1100A (the 900/1800) or the 1110 (I think) the 1110 comes in a "non-US GSM version". Any "non-colour" Nokia phone will do it pretty much (green with black letters). IF you have an American 1100B << note that B - it's the 850/1900 frequency version), you can change out the motherboard for maybe 400B or so. (unlock the US M/B in the phone before swapping it out and reinstall in the US for service (but not with the Thai SIM - it only works on the Thai net.)
Chargers - LOOK AT THE LETTERING ON THE CHARGER - the voltage is specified there. SOME (NOT ALL) are "don't cares" - going from 100v to 240v. IF it ISN'T you will be outputting DOUBLE voltage with a charger (transformer/rectifier) for 110V. UNLESS the phone has a zener voltage lock in the circuit, you will overcharge and blow the battery (and that blowjob is NOT something you want.) TWO choices - 1) use a converter - easy enough and relatively cheap - but I don't really know the prices - buy (probably) in the US - last one I got was at a flea market for $5 - or - 2) buy the charger in muangThai (at a market where they sell "used phones" they usually have "used chargers" for 100 to 200B or so and keep it for travel) The PLUG in may places in muangThai is a "dual Euro-North American" TWO prong (3 is relatively rare - not unknown, just rare) so what _I_ do is to take a US common 2 lug spade terminal extension cord and plug in the charger into it.
I also pack a "cheater" 3 to 2 prong adapter plug to run the computer. In case anyone is wondering - the charger is usually a bit heavy for those outlets and tends to fall out. The extension cord relieves the tension on the plug - it stays in and the charger can sit on the table/floor/where ever. PARTCULARLY if yu use the shaver plug in a hotel, it's usually up "high" and the risk of damage to the charger if it falls out and hits the tile floor is "significant". besides, the lower level plugs are easier to use (except of course, that Thai seem to feel that ONE plug per room is OK (yeah, right)
Now not to rain on 1ball's parade - but - a US phone unless TRI or QUAD band WILL NOT WORK IN THE US (period) - the frequencies are not the same. And that's the name of that tune. NO WAY NO HOW SAN LOI GI. (oops, I mean "KHOR TOTE")
all this, of course, has nothing directly to do with with FFF poo-ying, but what the heck...
1Ball, I also have T-Mobile, last year I switched from a monthly to a pay as you go plan. Personal I use the phone for basic conversation so I wanted a basic set-up so I could use the phone in Thailand and the U.S. by simpily switching sim cards. I have 2 tri-band phones Samsung 219 purchased at Targets for 79.00 and a Samsung 319 purchased at Wal-mart 99.00, difference is that the 319 takes photos otherwise they are the same. Oh the 219 comes in red and the 319 is black.
You can get the phones unlocked at a independent phone outlet usually at the mall for 20.00. Now that I have been using these phone in the U.S. and Thailand I have learn that although they are tri-band phones they are relatively cheap and that the batteries aren't very strong. In the U.S. I have to charge the phone every 3 days even though I shut it off at night and in Thailand for whatever reason I have to charge it nearly daily!
Right now I'm thinking of trying to purchase a inexpensive phone like the Nokia in Thailand just to see if it's more practical.
[QUOTE=1Ball]I like the older Nokia phones, still available in Thailand. they don't have the screen which can show pictures, so it is a sort of light green screen, with black writing.
The advantage is you can see what is on the screen even in bright sunlight. I cannot seem to find phones like this in the USA anymore.
Does someone know what kind of phone I can buy in LOS, with a similar screen, which will also work in the USA? I have heard something about 2 band, 4 band, or similar, and have no idea what they are talking about, except to say my current phone I use in Asia doesn't work in the USA. I have T-Mobile, so I would love to get an "old fashioned" phone in LOS, and just put in my T-Mobile SIM card in the USA. If i can find such an animal, i will probably buy 2 or 3 for future use.
Any ideas?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
I have several Sony-Erricson cellular phones that I use all over the world. I like them because they are rugged and work when others won't, even in remote locations. Down side is that batteries are hard to get for the older models. Not so with Nokia.
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Holy downward spiral Batman,
With all the recent turmoil in LOS and talks of economic downturn, the only thing thats in a downward spiral is the dollar.
I was in LOS in Nov and got 37b to the dollar.
Now, its barely 33b!! (even after the bombings and coup, it was still over 36)
Just to keep you guys informed so adjust your beer consumptions and shagging accordingly.
PT[/QUOTE]
And I wonder why I think Cambodia is a better overall "value" - just that I can't get my "primary" trip purpose accomplished in Cambodia as easily or safely
I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...
Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...
My research is just getting started!
[QUOTE=Monger 3]I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...
Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...
My research is just getting started![/QUOTE]
For starters, I would skip Phuket, and replace it with Koh Samui - IMHO, it's got better beaches, and better mongering (I would recommend staying on Lamai). But 7 days is quite alot for one beach destination. And while not off the beaten path, I really like Chiang Mai - the ladies are beautiful, and it's really the cultural center of Thailand.
But really, there is mongering to be found anywhere you want in Thailand - you need to tell us what ELSE you want to do in order to get useful advice. Is it more important to be able to find mongering for 500 Baht, or to have some other interesting daytime persuasions to keep you busy?
[QUOTE=Member #2041]For starters, I would skip Phuket, and replace it with Koh Samui - IMHO, it's got better beaches, and better mongering (I would recommend staying on Lamai). But 7 days is quite alot for one beach destination. And while not off the beaten path, I really like Chiang Mai - the ladies are beautiful, and it's really the cultural center of Thailand.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with that. I prefer Samui over Phuket myself.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]For starters, I would skip Phuket, and replace it with Koh Samui - IMHO, it's got better beaches, and better mongering (I would recommend staying on Lamai). But 7 days is quite alot for one beach destination. And while not off the beaten path, I really like Chiang Mai - the ladies are beautiful, and it's really the cultural center of Thailand.
But really, there is mongering to be found anywhere you want in Thailand - you need to tell us what ELSE you want to do in order to get useful advice. Is it more important to be able to find mongering for 500 Baht, or to have some other interesting daytime persuasions to keep you busy?[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the insight. Ideally, I would love to see a good amount of BKK, a beach/island area, and a cultural/off-beaten track area. Wherever I am, however, I would like to have a reasonably high expectation of finding Da Nani without really any hangups. Typical day envisioned: wake up and eat, see a temple/beach/bazaar/museaum, have lunch, get massage and/or laid, get dinner, get drunk and laid...repeat over and over...go home. I dont need nice clubs and bars in any location...and dont need expensive super models either.
I would like to 'average' 1000BT for ST and no more than 1500-2000BT for LT, but for off the beaten path, I want to find deals...I personally prefer lower prices for 6s and 7s than top dollar for 9s and 10s when travelling for long durations.
[QUOTE=Monger 3]Thanks for the insight. Ideally, I would love to see a good amount of BKK, a beach/island area, and a cultural/off-beaten track area. Wherever I am, however, I would like to have a reasonably high expectation of finding Da Nani without really any hangups. Typical day envisioned: wake up and eat, see a temple/beach/bazaar/museaum, have lunch, get massage and/or laid, get dinner, get drunk and laid...repeat over and over...go home. I dont need nice clubs and bars in any location...and dont need expensive super models either.
I would like to 'average' 1000BT for ST and no more than 1500-2000BT for LT, but for off the beaten path, I want to find deals...I personally prefer lower prices for 6s and 7s than top dollar for 9s and 10s when travelling for long durations.[/QUOTE]
OK, in that case:
Cambodia: 2-3 days in Siem Reap is definite. Angkor Temples are not to be missed, and there is certainly mongering to be had, at slightly lower prices than Thailand. IMHO, The rest of Cambodia is really a function of how much roughing it in search of bargains you are up for - Travel within the country is rustic at best, but outside of Siem Reap, $10 ST, $20 LT is the MOST you should expect to pay.
Chiang Mai is not a real bargain mongering destination, but should be viewed as a very nice place to visit for culture/temples/Thai countryside, where mongering is certainly available for similar prices as Bangkok, but not in nearly so much variety.
Pattaya is cheaper, sleazier, and mongering is ubiquitous
Samui is a great Island/beach/diving destination with lots of bar scene in either Chaweng or Lamai, and almost none anywhere else. Phuket is similar, but IMHO, more expensive and less interesting, with the hobbying concentrated around Patong Beach.
Other than these two islands, the main beach island destinations are much more remote, and mongering is limited unless you bring a companion with you. Mainland beach venues are Pattaya and Hua Hin (much more upscale, much less mongering than Pattaya, and caters more to Thais).
Bangkok is a huge, polluted, congested city, with lots of museums, temples, culture, fancy shopping, and plenty of mongering of all variety both day and night.
Other than Bangkok and Pattaya, mongering is mostly a nighttime only activity, unless you make daytime arrangements with someone you have already met.
As far as the more remote destinations, others, as well as these forums, would be your guide.
[QUOTE=Monger 3]I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
[/QUOTE]
I think you are going to be tired of the place after 24 days, especially if it's your first visit. You are probably going to make all the "newbie" mistakes and get a dose of reality. It takes a special kind of mentality to stay for a long time in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Retired Army]I think you are going to be tired of the place after 24 days, especially if it's your first visit. You are probably going to make all the "newbie" mistakes and get a dose of reality. It takes a special kind of mentality to stay for a long time in Thailand.[/QUOTE]
I disagree - so long as he doesn't spend more than 4-5 days in any one place, and he mixes it up between beach and other outdoor activities, culture such as temples and museums, and mongering, I don't think he'll get tired of it at all. Each of my trips has been in the 20-24 day range, and the only thing I find getting old is the long flights across the Pacific. It's not like he's planning on spending 3 weeks straight in Bangkok and Pattaya - I agree that would get pretty stale. I would also point out that he's a New Yorker (which is where I'm from as well) and being a New Yorker, he's much less likely to be intimidated by the scale and population density of Bangkok, nor taken in by the low level taxi and street scams that many folks fall prey to their first time out.
Monger 3, I think it is highly unlikely that you will be 'tired of' Thailand or Southeast Asia generally after just 24 days. In fact I consider that the minimum length stay to be worth the uncomfortable flight.
Pattaya is far and away superior to every other part of Southeast Asia for mongering, and also one of the more pleasant places to stay. There you can have the greatest variety of girls, cheap rooms, and good Thai food. Hint - eat only where the Thais eat. Never eat in a place where you see other farangs - it will be relatively bad and a danger to your gastrointestinal health. Pattaya is a pale shadow of its former self due to the destruction of the Beach Road scene, but it is still better than the rest of the world together.
Other than Pattaya, I would suggest that you spend time in Cambodia, but avoid Siem Reip: an awful tourist trap and the ruins are, like all ruins, tiresome. Phnom Penh and Sihanoukville are better, though Phnom Penh is also a pale shadow of its former self since K11 has been destroyed. Keep in mind in many of these countries you are chasing a ghost.
I also recommend Isaan and South Thailand - but by South Thailand I mean the cities and towns not frequented by farangs, such as Surat Thani and Nakhon Si Thammarat. In Isaan you can count on getting girls from 300-500 baht, and in the South 300-1000. Check out my reports in the 'Other Areas' section. Isaan towns that are particularly good are Udon Thani, Nong Khai, and to a lesser extent SiSaket, Surin, and Buriram. Udon is again one of those places that is a pale shadow of its former glory, but still worth visiting.
I have not yet been to Northern towns of this size and type, but freeler reports very positively about Pitsanulouk. Avoid Chiang Mai for mongering, though you may have better luck in less touristed Northern towns. By the way, the best food in Thailand is Southern and Northern food, compared to Central and Issan, but all are delicious.
I would add that Opebo's recommendations are probably valid if all you really are focused on doing is mongering, and you could care less about the cultural aspects of the countries you are visiting. Siem Reap and Chiang Mai are on my recommended agenda because they are the places to expose you to the cultural and spiritual centers of the Asian way of life (and BTW, good mongering is quite available while you're there). They are probably the worst "mongering" spots in their respective countries, but they are still pretty darn good in that regard when compared to anywhere in the world OTHER than the rest of Thailand and Cambodia. But to my mind, anyone who goes to Cambodia and skips Angkor has not really learned ANYTHING about Cambodia, and similarly Thailand with respect to Chiang Mai.
If you are planning on spending 24 days in Thailand and Cambodia, you would be silly NOT to go to Siem Reap and Chiang Mai for a few days each. Of course, if the ONLY head you wish to expose to the lifestyle and culture of these nations is the small one, then you could safely skip those two destinations.
Thx for the insights. Even though I am not new to hunting p*ssy internationally or invading AMPs along the East Coast, real Asia definitely warrants as much guidance as possible for someone like me. After being raised in NYC during the Dinkins administration, and living in places like Rio and Santo Domingo, I think I have the big city thing down, and many thanks for the insight on the non-BKK alternatives I should check out.
Do people train or bus it to Cambodia (Siem Riep) or fly in from Thailand into there or Phenom Phen? Or within Thailand for that matter?
This site should have a search function BTW. With all our mongering histories, its getting hard to find info as this site grows.
[QUOTE=Monger 3]Do people train or bus it to Cambodia (Siem Riep) or fly in from Thailand into there or Phenom Phen? Or within Thailand for that matter?[/QUOTE]Cheap Charlies take the land route. Personally, I flew directly into Siem Reap. BTW, if you plan on going to both Siem Reap and Samui, by far the best way to do it is to buy a 4 trip Discovery Airpass on Bangkok Airways from the U.S. before you go. Bangkok Airways has monopolies on the BKK to Siem Reap and BKK to Samui routes, and they charge much more if you buy the flights individually from Bangkok.
[url]http://www.bangkokair.com/discoveryairpass/[/url]
[QUOTE=Monger 3]Thx for the insights. Even though I am not new to hunting p*ssy internationally or invading AMPs along the East Coast, real Asia definitely warrants as much guidance as possible for someone like me. ...[/QUOTE]Well, after years in Thailand my recommendations are as follows:
Stay in nice up market hotels. You get top hotels (5 star) in Thailand at incredible low rates (from USD 70 and up). No hassle and a great retreat after stress and heat on streets.
Do avoid Pattaya. It's a dump. It's in no way related to Thailand, other that attracting low end *****s and loads of illegal businesses. It's so illegal that even BKK police would not venture there.
Do avoid Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (in Bangkok). Well, unless you like stretch marks, sad stories and dark skin.
Do go to recommended massage parlous (loads are recommended in this forum). Escort services deliver better quality. So if you want to experience true professionalism, definitely the better choice.
Avoid Phuket. Beach pockets are still ok, except Patong. Coming second to Pattaya in terms of slum.
Try to pack in Chiang Mai. Women are beautiful, white skinned and very polite. People will not hassle you. Restaurants next to the river are great places to hang out with great food.
Avoid street food! Top restaurants are very affordable in Bangkok (Thailand overall). Without alcohol you will never spend more then USD 50 for 2.
Make it easy for yourself. No need to rough it.
[QUOTE=Monger 3]I am planning on spending 24 nights in Thailand and Cambodia this upcoming June. I am no mongering novice (10 trips to DR, Brasil, and Costa Rica), but this is my first venture to the far east (what I get for being from NYC).
Anyhow, my primary interest is in mogering like mad, but with 24 nights, I dont want to be in the most touristy, flashy, and arrogant places for too long. I plan on hitting Phuket and Pattaya, but what other places are good sights + good sources for p*ssy. I dont need to be around 100s of girls at night...I rather like places where there are fewer bars and girls...but also fewer tourists...what is considered off the beaten path for Thailand...
Current intinerary looks like: BKK for 7 nights, Pattaya for 3-5 nights, Phuket and south for 7 nights, and Cambodia for 4 nights...where else would be worth seeing, with also p*ssy availability...
My research is just getting started![/QUOTE]
24 days/nites is quite a long time just for mongering so as some others have said, try to bring in some social and custom places to divide your attentions and then you won't feel as bored or one track minded.
I agree with others that CM and Siem Reap are worth the time even as its not a major monger destination-its still available if you look hard enough or simple ask your hired drivers.
Take the overnite train with bed from Bkk to CM is best as this saves you a night of hotel and arrive near center of city in the morning so no time wasted.
Fly into SR is best as overland road in Cambo truly sucks.
7 nights in BKK is a bit too much and should be broken up to perhaps 3 in Bkk and rest in Pattaya or leave these days free to extend your visit in Cambodia (SR and PP).
7 days in Phuket?--also way too long. If going south for mongering, suggest you also try HatYai in the south along with Koh Samui. These are major monger destination among the Malayasians.
Have a good time dude.
BTW: I also went thru the Dinkins good time era before Guillani decided to destroy the nightlife for mongers.
PT
[QUOTE=Jungle Bluebird]Well, after years in Thailand my recommendations are as follows:
Stay in nice up market hotels. You get top hotels (5 star) in Thailand at incredible low rates (from USD 70 and up). No hassle and a great retreat after stress and heat on streets.
Do avoid Pattaya. It's a dump. It's in no way related to Thailand, other that attracting low end *****s and loads of illegal businesses. It's so illegal that even BKK police would not venture there.
Do avoid Soi Cowboy and Nana Entertainment Plaza (in Bangkok). Well, unless you like stretch marks, sad stories and dark skin.
Do go to recommended massage parlous (loads are recommended in this forum). Escort services deliver better quality. So if you want to experience true professionalism, definitely the better choice.
Avoid Phuket. Beach pockets are still ok, except Patong. Coming second to Pattaya in terms of slum.
Try to pack in Chiang Mai. Women are beautiful, white skinned and very polite. People will not hassle you. Restaurants next to the river are great places to hang out with great food.
Avoid street food! Top restaurants are very affordable in Bangkok (Thailand overall). Without alcohol you will never spend more then USD 50 for 2.
Make it easy for yourself. No need to rough it.[/QUOTE]
Wow!
Two completely different experiences... well, if we all liked the same things the world would be a sad and very boring place
Your time in BKK - consider staying at Livingstone's because of the fellow mongers you'll be able to swap stories with and without any drop in quality.
Just quickly checked out Pattaya for the first time when I was in Thailand late last year and was pleasantly surprised.
Soi Cowboy, saw some very decent chicks there although I do accept that many will be 'country girls' but thats what some people are looking for. For me, the best time to talent spot was earlier in the evening (8pm) although I've seen reports from other mongers that say different.
Massage Parlors - agree 100%... some cracking places.
The best Thai food I ate was in the smaller cafes normally packed with Thai's... go there with a Thai and be prepared to be amazed.
Have a session at Eden... you won't regret it!
Check out the Reports of Distinction find out what suits your taste... and remain flexible... when you're bored of BKK head elsewhere.
You've got so much time mate, there's no need to have a rigid schedule. Kick back, enjoy your holiday, and shag everything in sight. :D
Jungle Bluebird has described an itinerary in the $200/day range, which offers little in terms of experience of Southeast Asia, and given the focus on high end non-local food, probably a nasty bout of illness.
Monger 3, remember that a real traveler will enjoy getting to know the common people, not just the sycophants at the five star hotel. Some of my best nights in Thailand have been spent around an open fire outside an Issan brothel, eating grilled intestines and waiting for my girl to finish with her Thai workman customer.
Please remember also that, while skin colour doesn't matter at all to an enlightened man, because of the racist Thai social heirarchy the whiter girls will be more 'in demand'; thus your best service will usually be from darker girls. But try everyone, or whoever strikes your fancy.
There is no need to pay more than 800 baht for a hotel in Bangkok, 400-500 in Pattaya, and in untouristed cities in Isaan and the South expect hotels for 120-160 fan, or 200-300 aircon. I typically budget 1,000-1,200 baht per day for Isaan travels, including girl.
Lastly, avoid Bangkok - it is a very unpleasant, hot, expensive place.
Monger 3, there is a middle ground between the pampered experience that Jungle Bluebird is endorsing, and the ultimate Cheap Charlie adventure that Opebo has recommended, and after several 3+ week trips to Thailand, it's the one that I have come around to:
I USUALLY am pretty value-oriented in terms of hotels, and I have found that it costs around 1/2 as much generally in Thailand to get the level of hospitality that they are accustomed to paying in the U.S - although the rapidly declining dollar vs. the baht may be changing this. There are certainly perfectly decent hotels that can be had anywhere in Thailand for under $40 a night, and in Cambodia for under $25 a night, and adequate but spartan rooms for even less, sometimes much less. But I recommend spending the last 2-3 days of your trip in a really nice 5-star or at least 4 star hotel in Bangkok to decompress and insulate yourself from the big city hassles that are otherwise omnipresent. My recommendations for this are the Plaza Athenee, Sheraton Grande, or JW Marriott. If those are outside your budget, consider the Dynasty Grande or the Majestic Grande.
As for the types of lodging Opebo is recommending, one really needs to be on the ground in Thailand, knowing exactly where to look, and booking it on the spot, with cash in hand, to get the decent REALLY inexpensive places. My experience is, until you really know the lay of the land in the land of the lay, you are better off setting your standards and budget higher, to the type of places that can be booked online in advance from the U.S.
I would really emphasize that while Opebo's type of trip is certainly doable for a dedicated monger who has substantial experience on the ground in Thailand and Cambodia - as he clearly does, it's NOT the type of experience I would endorse for a newbie to the area.
[QUOTE=Member #2041]
As for the types of lodging Opebo is recommending, one really needs to be on the ground in Thailand, knowing exactly where to look, and booking it on the spot, with cash in hand, to get the decent REALLY inexpensive places.
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Absolutely agree.
Most often you will need to know exact location of these places or know where and how to tell driver to located them. Don't forget that most if not all these cheaper places can't be booked or even found on-line for any confirmation bookings.
I also read alot of reports of certain locations before my actual travel there but most often the exact locations of cheaper, nicer places are left out by many because of one main reason: they don't like to let out a secret as a fear that when its time for them to visit, it will be full.
PT
[QUOTE=Fun Times69].. Have a session at Eden... you won't regret it!...[/QUOTE]Ok, must agree with that one. You may find stretchmarks and dark skin (without the sad stories though), but still it's definetely an experience :-)
Actually it is not at all difficult to find a cheap hotel in any town. Just remember the words 'rung-ram', which I think means hotel, and tell it to the taxi driver. You can also say 'mai-pang' which means cheap.
Alternatively, simply walk around the area near the train station. There should be several old cheap hotels. In towns without a train service it is a little more difficult, but near the bus station can work. Always try to stay smack in the middle of town. A side benefit of the cheapest hotels is they are often home to the streetwalkers and other low-end sex workers.
I have never found a hotel to be full outside the tourist areas of Thailand, except in Udon Thani (though I suppose technically that is now a tourist area).
[QUOTE=Opebo]Actually it is not at all difficult to find a cheap hotel in any town. Just remember the words 'rung-ram', which I think means hotel, and tell it to the taxi driver. You can also say 'mai-pang' which means cheap.
Alternatively, simply walk around the area near the train station. There should be several old cheap hotels. In towns without a train service it is a little more difficult, but near the bus station can work. Always try to stay smack in the middle of town. A side benefit of the cheapest hotels is they are often home to the streetwalkers and other low-end sex workers.
I have never found a hotel to be full outside the tourist areas of Thailand, except in Udon Thani (though I suppose technically that is now a tourist area).[/QUOTE]
I never said it was difficult to find cheap hotels without knowing one's way around the places one was looking and actually being there. I said it was difficult to find GOOD cheap hotels. I don't generally think that the fact that streetwalkers frequent a hotel makes it good, even if we are looking for streetwalkers. In general, I prefer to spend time with them a bit removed from their own element.
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[quote=sroyal]hi,
did someone have[b] am ready done[/b] rep001 or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on girl in thailand?[/quote]do you mean "already done"?
i'm sure you can have that done, but not my thing at all.
[quote=sroyal]hi,
did someone have am ready done rep001 or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on girl in thailand?
what is the price and does she accept this kind of services?[/quote]
what kind of a sick person are you?
You can go to the EDEN club and get this if you wish. I do think this is gross has hell though.
[quote=sroyal]hi,
did someone have am ready done rep001 or [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on girl in thailand?
what is the price and does she accept this kind of services?[/quote]
although i'm not really sure if they offer that type of service but eden club in bkk may be your best option.
pt
I'm not sure where to post this question, so I will post it here and also on the Thai and Phils threads as well so I can get the maximum answers/viewpoints. I hope the moderator will allow this.
My scenario and question is this. .
I have not been to either Indonesia or Thailand (only to the Phils), but have read many threads on this and other message boards. From what I have read, Thailand seems the best all around place. The Thai women seem more fit (generally) and it appears they are more willing to do threesomes and other such episodes then their Filipina counterparts. The Filipinas seem to be generally less fit with small bellies and do not seem eager to engage in threesomes or any other out of the ordinary episode if you know what I mean. The Indonesian women's looks are not the most appealing to me and it appears mongering there might be a little more challenging then either the Phils or Thailand, but I have noticed in the trip reports and pictures that the the Indonesian women seem a lot wilder. I have seen more toys and threesomes in the Indonesia photo galleries then in any of the others. More anal and other such episodes in the Indonesia area.
The looks of the women is important to me, however, the willingness and general sexual energy of the women is most important.
So my question is, which destination offers the wildest and most sexually willing women?
I also have one more question on Indonesia. The pictures of the Jakarta women show unshaved women where as the Batam women seem shaved. What are the general differences in the women from Batam and Jakarta? What can I expect if I go to either location?
The main reason why I pose this question is I do not get to go on these trips often. When I do go, I spend valuable vacation time and more then a few grand of my cash. I don't want to waste any time and want to maximize my experience. Hopefully, I will receive some insightful information so I can make my decision.
AR - now I see why you've been so quiet here recently - you've started your own site. I came across it (oops, sorry) by accident last night. Looks good.
[QUOTE=Piper1]AR - now I see why you've been so quiet here recently - you've started your own site. I came across it (oops, sorry) by accident last night. Looks good.[/QUOTE]Had a bunch of PMs asking about AR+'s site. My proxy server is to slow to answer them all. As his "sexpat" site has commercial links, best not to give the site address on open forum. I like his cynical and witty comments about the corporate world, linked to wicked sex thoughts. I can relate. He's the triple-x version of Dilbert. ;)
neither the eden club in bangkok nor the hell club in pattaya offer "rep001" play.
cerberus (owner of the hell club)
[quote=streetlooker]you can go to the eden club and get this if you wish. i do think this is gross has hell though.[/quote]there is no rep001 play at either eden or the hell club.
cerberus
I think the real answer to your question is Brazil. But of the three places you mention, Thailand is No. 1. The number of available women is beyond belief, even more than The Phillipines. Indonesia is very good but you have to work a little harder to find the girls. I've had great times in Jakarta and Batam but they don't compare to BKK or Pattaya.
Having a wild uninhibited sexual experience is possible in all three. Knowing which girl to pick is the key no matter what country you visit. Even an experienced monger occasionally chooses the wrong girl.
Gents;
Please read the following for a definition of heaven:
(Translated from the Thai Rath Newspaper, 4 March)
After Mr Wichai (Tao), aged 24, from Samut Songkram province, who earns his living by dealing in old goods, got married to gorgeous
twins Ms Sirintara and Ms Thipawan 22, he vouched his sincerest 'equal love' for both of them!
Mr Wichai, just yesterday, 23 March, got married in a pompous ceremony to both twins simultaneously.
On being interviewed by the Thai Rath reporters, Mr Wichai declared wholeheartedly, that he didn't see much problem in having to perform tiresome marital duties with two wives.
In the engagement ceremony before the wedding, Mr Wichai successfully offered a dowry of eight baht of gold and 80,000 baht EACH for his lovely darlings.
Both families celebrated the marriage with joy and were said to be delighted for the threesome.
Mr Wichai told the press that he had been best of friends with his neighbouring twins since they were children.
"When I grew older, I would walk past their house each morning and try to decide for myself which one I fancied more, but it
was darned impossible - I adored BOTH of them - I just couldn't decide, which one of them to chat up....!"
He went on to say, 'For three continuous years all three of us would go on dates together, until there was one day when I couldn't stand the frustration any longer and told them, "I love you and want to marry you BOTH"'
The fortunate Mr Wichai, instead of getting a slap in the face, was overjoyed when both girls admitted to having sworn all along,
that they wished to marry the same man!
"It wasn't easy at first, what with the neighbours gossiping, but our family sympathized, understood, and fully supported
our mutual love for the one man" the twins said.
Mr Wichai arranged for his brides to live with him, in his family house after the wedding, and his mother has already proudly prepared TWO rooms for the newly-weds.
Our reporters were just gagging to hear the response to this mouth-watering question:-
"And.... what are the sleeping arrangements Mr Wichai"? to which he replied modestly with a beaming smile
"Absolutely no problems! For the first three nights of the week, I will sleep with Ms Thipawan and the next three will be spent with Ms Sirintara. As for every Saturday, the three of us will sleep together"
Ms Sirintara finally told the press,
"When my twin and I worked as assistant nurses, we promised each other that we would never leave each other's side, and that our future husband would have to either take us both, or leave us.
Anyway, Mr Wichai is the perfect man - he neither smokes nor drinks!"
SE Asia Joe,
Yep. That's it.
Giotto
[QUOTE=SE Asia Joe]Gents;
Please read the following for a definition of heaven:
(Translated from the Thai Rath Newspaper, 4 March)
Mr Wichai arranged for his brides to live with him, in his family house after the wedding, and his mother has already proudly prepared TWO rooms for the newly-weds.
Our reporters were just gagging to hear the response to this mouth-watering question:
"And.... what are the sleeping arrangements Mr Wichai"? to which he replied modestly with a beaming smile
"Absolutely no problems! For the first three nights of the week, I will sleep with Ms Thipawan and the next three will be spent with Ms Sirintara. As for every Saturday, the three of us will sleep together"[/QUOTE]
This strikes me as a waste. I would surely get rid of the second bedroom, perhaps turn it into a home office - especially as he might wake up too tired to deal with the commute in Bangkok.
A Swiss dude that spray-painted over several portraits of the revered king plead guilty Monday and faces a max 75yr prison sentence.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was caught by surveillance cameras on Dec. 5 spray-painting black paint over his Majesty on his 79th birthday that also commemorates that he is the longest lived monarch.
This knucklehead made no comment when he entered the courthouse with his legs chained, dressed in an orange prison uniform. I'd be requesting my own execution.
BTW, that is the worst offense you can be jailed for in Thailand. Even the prisoners worship the the Royal family, and they will make this Swiss guys life a living hell.
I saw a silly fool drawing beards and mustaches on the face on a Baht note once at a bar in Pattaya and when he held it up to show us we all ran out of the place. I think they'd arrest you just for looking at it. I heard that even setting a glass on top of the face on the Baht note at a bar could get you a good Thai-style ass kicking.
Those cameras are all over the UK, and Thailand too. He should have been spay painting them instead.
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]A Swiss dude that spray-painted over several portraits of the revered king plead guilty Monday and faces a max 75yr prison sentence.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was caught by surveillance cameras on Dec. 5 spray-painting black paint over his Majesty on his 79th birthday that also commemorates that he is the longest lived monarch.
This knucklehead made no comment when he entered the courthouse with his legs chained, dressed in an orange prison uniform. I'd be requesting my own execution.
BTW, that is the worst offense you can be jailed for in Thailand. Even the prisoners worship the the Royal family, and they will make this Swiss guys life a living hell.
I saw a silly fool drawing beards and mustaches on the face on a Baht note once at a bar in Pattaya and when he held it up to show us we all ran out of the place. I think they'd arrest you just for looking at it. I heard that even setting a glass on top of the face on the Baht note at a bar could get you a good Thai-style ass kicking.
Those cameras are all over the UK, and Thailand too. He should have been spay painting them instead.[/QUOTE]
Yup, Not knowing the culture of a foreign country or ignoring the harsh reality will always get you in deep shit. Just because they think doing the same thing at home will get a laugh or get noticed, but in LOS they put you in a stink hole for a very long time.
Also, don't even think of hiding thai bahts in your shoes. The Thais consider the feet one of the dirtiest parts of the body and having that same dirty/smelly feet over the proud King's face--well, you get the picture.
PT
[QUOTE=BuleDaddy]A Swiss dude that spray-painted over several portraits of the revered king plead guilty Monday and faces a max 75yr prison sentence.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, 57, was caught by surveillance cameras on Dec. 5 spray-painting black paint over his Majesty on his 79th birthday that also commemorates that he is the longest lived monarch......[/QUOTE]
I believe that his nickname in Prison will be Swiss Cheese, because all of his fellow inmates will be looking to enjoy his holes.
Fellas,
I just read about the Swiss guy who was caught spray painting his Majesty. Very bad. On my last trip to the LOS I read a book called "Damage Done" by Warren Fellows. He is from Australia. He was caught with so many kilos of cocaine trying to transport it from BKK to Australia. In the book he describes being in prison in Thailand and all the torture he had to endure for like 11 years. Its a great read. I read it cover to cover on my plane flight back to the US. I recommend it.
The rest of this guy's life is going to be really bad.
That Swiss guy is lucky to be alive. If he'd have been caught by Thais on the street, it's unlikely he'd still be around to face trial. In terms of the big picture, the King now has the opportunity to show both his wisdom and mercy by pardoning the idiot. I can't imagine the Swiss guy would be too popular among the general population in a Thai prison.
Insult the Buddha or the King in front of a group of Thais and they'll stomp you to death. The police will say you died of a heart attack or drug overdose or committed suicide. Your body will be cremated immediately and your embassy will get the urn delivered the next morning. Case closed.
It isn't a joke. Whatever else you do or don't do, never, ever do anything considered even remotely disrepectful of the Buddha or King. It's literally a matter of life and death. If you can't accept that and abide by it drunk or sober, don't visit LOS.
Evil
[QUOTE=Evil Penivel]That Swiss guy is lucky to be alive. If he'd have been caught by Thais on the street, it's unlikely he'd still be around to face trial. In terms of the big picture, the King now has the opportunity to show both his wisdom and mercy by pardoning the idiot. Evil[/QUOTE]
A complete pardon is unlikely, but a reduced sentence is possible and that's only after they make the Swiss gov't exaust all diplomatic means and sweat it out , then beg his highness for being lenient on one of their poor citizens. Or the Swiss govt could simply say he was nuts and he forgot to take his medications--sorry, had to say this as its a popular court defense these days.
But, They will make sure he will do at least some qualilty time in their rat holes to serve as a reminder to foreigners as what not to do while in LOS.
PT
I will be spending a few weeks in Taiwan on a trip, and since I've never been to Thailand I was hoping to travel there for a bit, but probably could only spend 5-7 days at most.
I am interested in sex, and also experiencing some of the culture, food, and environment of Thailand. Would it be appropriate to spend the whole trip in Bangkok, or would it be better for me to hit another city?
For hotels, are there places relatively "close to the action" but reasonable, and with internet?
Does anyone know the best way to get a cheap flight from Taiwan to Thailand?
I look forward to sharing my experiences with the group, and appreciate your advice!
[quote=se asia joe]gents;
please read the following for a definition of heaven:
(translated from the thai rath newspaper, 4 march)
after mr wichai (tao), aged 24, from samut songkram province, who earns his living by dealing in old goods, got married to gorgeous
twins ms sirintara and ms thipawan 22, he vouched his sincerest 'equal love' for both of them!
mr wichai, just yesterday, 23 march, got married in a pompous ceremony to both twins simultaneously.
on being interviewed by the thai rath reporters, mr wichai declared wholeheartedly, that he didn't see much problem in having to perform tiresome marital duties with two wives.
in the engagement ceremony before the wedding, mr wichai successfully offered a dowry of eight baht of gold and 80,000 baht each for his lovely darlings.
both families celebrated the marriage with joy and were said to be delighted for the threesome.
mr wichai told the press that he had been best of friends with his neighbouring twins since they were children.
"when i grew older, i would walk past their house each morning and try to decide for myself which one i fancied more, but it
was darned impossible - i adored both of them - i just couldn't decide, which one of them to chat up....!"
he went on to say, 'for three continuous years all three of us would go on dates together, until there was one day when i couldn't stand the frustration any longer and told them, "i love you and want to marry you both"'
the fortunate mr wichai, instead of getting a slap in the face, was overjoyed when both girls admitted to having sworn all along,
that they wished to marry the same man!
"it wasn't easy at first, what with the neighbours gossiping, but our family sympathized, understood, and fully supported
our mutual love for the one man" the twins said.
mr wichai arranged for his brides to live with him, in his family house after the wedding, and his mother has already proudly prepared two rooms for the newly-weds.
our reporters were just gagging to hear the response to this mouth-watering question:-
"and.... what are the sleeping arrangements mr wichai"? to which he replied modestly with a beaming smile
"absolutely no problems! for the first three nights of the week, i will sleep with ms thipawan and the next three will be spent with ms sirintara. as for every saturday, the three of us will sleep together"
ms sirintara finally told the press,
"when my twin and i worked as assistant nurses, we promised each other that we would never leave each other's side, and that our future husband would have to either take us both, or leave us.
anyway, mr wichai is the perfect man - he neither smokes nor drinks!"[/quote]
seems to work out perfectly if mr wichai is approximately twice as horny as the girls. i hope the twins were not identical, as that would improve the variety. i always have problems with being more horny than my girlfriends and wanting sex about twice as often as they do.
one of my girlfriends was an identical twin but unfortunately she wasn't very horny at all.
now in a proper threesome the 2 girls should really get it on together and provide a lesbian show for mr wichai, but that seems a little unlikely in this case since it would be seen as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord128][CodeWord128][/url] (not that i have anything against siblings getting it on sexually if they want).
if, by chance, the girls are more horny than mr wichai, i see some problems.
Hatachi,
Try Eva Air they seems to have lots of flight daily.
China airlines, Eva and of course TG all fly.
Best bet, eztravel.com.tw - not sure if website has english but their office Min Sheng E Rd, about 3 blocks west of Citibank and CX airlines, pm for more details.
Gentlemen, here is the result of a stupid idea
Swiss Oliver Rudolf Jufer leaves the court for prison in Chiang Mai Province, 700 km (310 miles) north of Bangkok, March 29, 2007.
A Thai court sentenced Jufer, 57, to 10 years in jail on Thursday for defacing images of Thai royalty, a rare prison term for a foreigner convicted under the country's tough lese-majeste laws.
REUTERS/Chaiwat Subprasom (THAILAND)
Yours
Lemon Tree
[QUOTE=Lemon Tree]Gentlemen, here is the result of a stupid idea
Swiss Oliver Rudolf Jufer leaves the court for prison in Chiang Mai Province, 700 km (310 miles) north of Bangkok, March 29, 2007.
A Thai court sentenced Jufer, 57, to 10 years in jail on Thursday for defacing images of Thai royalty, a rare prison term for a foreigner convicted under the country's tough lese-majeste laws.
REUTERS/Chaiwat Subprasom (THAILAND)
Yours
Lemon Tree[/QUOTE]
What made this whole affair worse is that this idiot was not a newbie in LOS. I could understand someone making this mistake as a drunken newbie and not aware of the strict culture surrounding the King, but this idiot have actually been living in LOS for over 10 years!!!!
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]What made this whole affair worse is that this idiot was not a newbie in LOS. I could understand someone making this mistake as a drunken newbie and not aware of the strict culture surrounding the King, but this idiot have actually been living in LOS for over 10 years!!!!
PT[/QUOTE]
He won't actually do much of that time, but will quietly be released after a few months. They have to make a big show, and set an example, particularly at this time with everything in such turmoil and the power elite under threat.
It's a stupid law, even opposed by the king, put in place by one Thailand's dictators in the 60s as a way to shore up the ruling military class. Much of the pomp and circumstance one sees associated with the royal family is the invention of the military in the 60s. For example, before that Thais didn't have to prostrate themselves before the king because the practice was abolished by King Rama V around 1900. But, it was reinstated to reinforce the hierarchy in Thai society and maintain the power in the ruling classes.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]He won't actually do much of that time, but will quietly be released after a few months.[/QUOTE]He will do enough time. So that he won't be the same man again when he gets out. Well, at least his asshole won't be the same diameter.
Serves him right, he should have known better.
[QUOTE=Old Thai Hand]He won't actually do much of that time...[/QUOTE]
He may only do a few months, but it ain't going to be fun time. And then he will be permanently banned from Thailand, like he would want to come back.
Secrets of Thai bar girl pay revealed
How much do Thai bar girls get paid? Here are their terms and conditions - plus those of brothel workers and massage girls too. The benefits package isn't very tempting but, on the plus side, they get to meet lots of interesting new people.
Bar girls
Bar girls' salaries range from 2,000 to 6,000 baht per month. Here are some of their work rules.
• Only two days off permitted a month, or they must pay 300 baht a day for extra leave days.
• No leave permitted on Fridays, Saturdays and national holidays. Otherwise, fines range from 500 to 1,000 baht a day.
• Must go out with the clients four to 10 times a month or pay fine of 500 baht for each missed quota.
• Must sell 80-100 drinks to clients or pay 30 baht a drink for the missed quota.
• Must have health check-up every three months. If the blood test is positive for sexually transmitted diseases, they will not get the salary for that month.
• Must wear the outfits arranged by the bars or pay the fine of 100 to 200 baht.
• Must not use the clients' restrooms.
• Must not eat during work hours.
• Must buy own drinking water.
Scooby1, good info (especially about the amount of bar fines needed to compensate for taking the lady out for a vacation day), but I've seen enough bar girls eating on the premises that I suspect that the rule about not eating during work hours must vary across different establishments.
Hi guys,
Just a quick question for the married guys visiting LOS. Is it better to remove your wedding band when seeking company?
Will be visiting BKK for couple of days business, hoping to slot in a bit of fun. However, I was just wondering what the attitude of the girls toward guys with wedding bands? Possibly a stupid question but interested to know your views.
Cheers,
Eagle
[QUOTE=Eagle_I]Hi guys,
Just a quick question for the married guys visiting LOS. Is it better to remove your wedding band when seeking company?
Will be visiting BKK for couple of days business, hoping to slot in a bit of fun. However, I was just wondering what the attitude of the girls toward guys with wedding bands? Possibly a stupid question but interested to know your views.
Cheers,
Eagle[/QUOTE]
Ha Ha Ha. Are you serious? Eagle, they just want our money! They don't care if you are married or not! Unless you are going for non pros then that might be a different story. Hope you have lots of fun.
[QUOTE=Horntoad]Ha Ha Ha. Are you serious? Eagle, they just want our money! They don't care if you are married or not! [/quote]
Not so fast.
Yes that is 99% true, but they will all ask you if your wife is Thai.
If your wife is a Farang, they will laugh and proceed to make you feel good ;)
If you say your wife is Thai, they will be very cautious, Thai girls can be crazy when it comes to love, and P4P girls fear that. My colleague is Married to a Thai and everytime he goes to a bar, he removes his ring, he told me some girls refused to go with him because he was married to a Thai.
Thanks Nic, appreciate the reply.
HT, I am hurt. Here I was thinking that the p4p girls will just want to go with me for my good looks and my fit bod. Now you are saying that it is my fat wallet they are after? Man that sucks. Well hopefully she will too!
[QUOTE=Eagle_I]Hi guys,
Just a quick question for the married guys visiting LOS. Is it better to remove your wedding band when seeking company?
Will be visiting BKK for couple of days business, hoping to slot in a bit of fun. However, I was just wondering what the attitude of the girls toward guys with wedding bands? Possibly a stupid question but interested to know your views.
Cheers,
Eagle[/QUOTE]
Does not matter if you remove the ring as long as you do not remove your wallet
Just thought I would make some personal observations about Suvarnabhumi.
I used the airport several times during my recent visit to LOS. I used Air Asia to fly backwards and forwards to Chiang Rai but couldn't believe the marathon trek it takes to get from the main hall to the departure gate. This must be the longest walk I have ever had in any of the numerous international airports I have visited over the years.
Taxi touts seem to be an even bigger problem here than they used to be at the old airport, I must have got propositioned at least a dozen times. I am sure other mongers have mentioned this before me, but head down to the ground floor for the licensed meter taxis. This by the way is officially called the "1st floor"
There is an excellent and cheap restaraunt on this floor by exit 8 about half the price of the rest of the other places at the airport. If you walk outside and turn left, immediatley on the left is an airport shop for the Thai airport workers. Everything there is priced at levels you would expect to pay in a regional 7/11 store and beats paying the excessive prices charged elsewhere.
I was surprised to find that the rules have now changed about flying out from Thailand and that you no longer have to pay the departure tax (was it 500 baht or 700?) The cost is now incorporated into the airline ticket which makes a lot more sense to me.
Good bus service into BKK but yes prices have gone up from the old airport. I caught my bus from the first floor (150 baht) straight into Sukhumvit Road) where I was staying.
If you want to use a taxi to get around (better than a bus) do what I do, especially if you do not want to spend lots of cash and are travelling to Pattaya for example. Sooner or later there will be people turning up going to the same destination and you just ask them would they like to share the cost with you. With two or three people this can save you a lot of money which you can then spend on something far more worthwhile when you get to Pattaya!
April 12, 2007
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- The Thai king has pardoned a Swiss man who was given a 10-year sentence for spray-painting over images of the revered monarch, but the longtime Thailand resident has been ordered to leave the country, police said Thursday.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer, who last month became the first foreigner convicted in at least a decade under strict Thai laws protecting the monarchy, was expected to be deported back to Switzerland later in the day, said police Col. Sangob Sanudon, the chief of Chiang Mai's immigration office.
Police and prison officials in the northern city of Chiang Mai confirmed Jufer had been transferred Wednesday to a police station in Chiang Mai ahead of his deportation. They said he was expected to fly to Bangkok and then onto Switzerland. "The king in his kindness has granted him a pardon and he has been transferred from prison and is in the process of being deported from the country," Chiang Mai police Col. Prachuab Wongsuk told The Associated Press.
A spokesman for the Swiss Embassy could not be immediately reached for comment. Jufer was caught by surveillance cameras on December 5 spray-painting black paint over five outdoor posters of King Bhumibol Adulyadej in Chiang Mai, where he lived.
Bhumibol, who is greatly loved by Thais and regarded by some as semi-divine, is protected from reproach by strict laws that forbid any criticism of the monarchy. Jufer, who lived in Thailand for 10 years, pleaded guilty in March to five counts of lese majeste, or insulting the monarchy. He had faced a maximum of 75 years in prison.
According to court testimony, Jufer had been out drinking with a friend and drove his motorcycle home to pick up a can of spray-paint, which he had bought to paint his dog house. He drove up to a municipal office where a large poster of the king was hung outside, and climbed a ladder to spray paint over the image. He then defaced four other posters near his home, according to the testimony.
The vandalism coincided with Bhumibol's 79th birthday, which was celebrated across Thailand with fireworks and prayers. Millions of portraits of the king, who is the world's longest serving monarch, were hung late last year around the country to honor his birthday. Many Thais wear bright yellow shirts every Monday, the color that in Buddhist tradition represents the day of the week on which Bhumibol was born.
His case cast a rare spotlight on Thailand's strict lese majeste laws, which have remained virtually unchanged since the creation of the country's first criminal code in 1908, despite the overthrow of an absolute monarchy in 1932.
[QUOTE=Run Mann]April 12, 2007
BANGKOK, Thailand (AP) -- The Thai king has pardoned a Swiss man who was given a 10-year sentence for spray-painting over images of the revered monarch, but the longtime Thailand resident has been ordered to leave the country, police said Thursday.
Oliver Rudolf Jufer.
According to court testimony, Jufer had been out drinking with a friend and drove his motorcycle home to pick up a can of spray-paint, which he had bought to paint his dog house..[/QUOTE]This idiot got off easy. Even his so call defense is BS.
He was suppose to be drunk and can't tell the difference between the King's face and a dog house? Yet he was sober enough to drive a motocycle all over the place? Well, like I said, his testimony is all BS.----IMO
PT
Hello Gents,
I just discovered this forum by accident, you know how it goes, click on this, click on that, and voila!
Anyway, I am a frequent visitor to BKK, and KL, and plan on doing a lot of reading in the next few weeks. I have my favorite haunts, and am interested to see if many are mentionned in these threads. I have perused several of the threads, and am a bit confused about this "fight club". What is the deal there.
Anyway, I look forward to writting a few FR as well.
[QUOTE=Luvtorim]Hello Gents,
. I have perused several of the threads, and am a bit confused about this "fight club". What is the deal there.
Anyway, I look forward to writting a few FR as well.[/QUOTE]
Nice to have you aboard pal.
The "fight club" is not like in the movie of the same name, rather it's just a place to argue over BS among current members. It's not the place to post vital information but a place to express your thoughts only.
PT