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[QUOTE=XXL;2170190]What is missing in the discussion is what that woman in real life looks like. What she will look like 10 years from now is easy to predict because very few women are still beddable 10 years on.
Speaking for myself I don't buy the illusion girls like to have sex with me. I buy bodily contact. I like it when the girl fakes in a grossly exagerated manner. I get a kick out of being confronted with female animal camouflage.
Relinquishing long-term relationships in favour of professional mongering is a necessity dictated not only by women's hypergamous instincts and the horrendous gender bias in family courts, but also by women's ridiculously short shelf-life after legal age..[/QUOTE]Mongering is mongering and companionship is companionship. Perhaps some people don't want companionship; that is a personal decision but it would be wise to make sure that one is honest with himself before making that decision. I don't discount that some people can forgoe companionship in favor of a life of satisfying sex with professional stunner women but those people are in an extreme minority. The rest of us are wired to seek companionship. So if you are in the minority of people who can truly and I mean truly commit to a promongering but companionless life then I salute your individual composition. For most people who deep down desire companionship, I think it would be a miserable and pathetic existence to only pay for sex week (end) in and week (end) out.
I may not be as sexually interested in the same woman 10 years from now but I do want children and for my children to have a mother.
All of this is pretty simple common knowledge right? For most of us, it would be a good idea to not tell ourselves lies about what we desire from women, life, and this hobby.
All of this being said, companionship can be bought and that person can develop real emotions over time. Women in my family have who married much older men for security did eventually develop a version of love for their geriatric provider.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2170196]Someone (The Cane I think) said how much to spend in the club is a very subjective and personal decision (I fully agree with him). Which club to go, which girls to choose, how much to spend, are all highly personal. So, I am amazed that some people think even more complex topics like "should you be married / have GFs / monger semi professionally / professionally" and so on can be generalized as if one formula fits all.
If you want to share "this is what I am doing and x and y worked for me but z did not", that is fine and encouraged -- but it is highly arrogant and presumptuous to think one's personal likes and experiences should be the guide posts for anyone else except self.[/QUOTE]If you are referring to my posts regarding pro and semi pro mongering in relation to companionship, I think I adequately conveyed that it is my thoughts for myself and in these posts I left the door open for people who truly do not want companionship. I did not mention anything about amount of money to spend so I will assume that your comment regarding this topic was not about my posts.
This topic is in response to one poster who made the comment "We all agreed that professional mongering is better for sex life and cheaper. " When in fact there is obviously no consensus here. My personal thoughts is that it is better to keep the hobby casual and maintain a real life outside. If mainting a real relationship with casual mongering can be achieved, you will have a good sex life and also emotional security in your old age. I am not confident that sustained pro mongering allows for you to attain that emotional security in your golden years.
For me, the worst possible outcome of becoming professional is the real possibility of finding myself over 50 years old without a companion or children and visiting the clubs every weekend.
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[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2170196]
Someone (The Cane I think) said how much to spend in the club is a very subjective and personal decision (I fully agree with him). Which club to go, which girls to choose, how much to spend, are all highly personal..[/QUOTE]Yes. I have friends that like American and Canadian strip clubs. Can you imagine that? Spending $200-400 USD and not even fucking the girl or getting your cock sucked? I have met an old monger that only does massage now (to orgasm). "Hmmm?" I thought? Pay that money and you don't even fuck them? But as I age I kind of understand it. Let her do all the work. I have tried this for my last orgasm of the day when I binge hobby at the FKK/Clinica and I have enjoyed it. Also, there is a considerable difference between Sharks and say the Living Room for example. I found that you just have to have the right mindset and you can enjoy both.
I do like to hear what other guys like because it gives me ideas to try new things. I like to hear about new things including new services, strategies, new girls, new clubs, and new geographies. After all, that is what ISG is all about.
[QUOTE=XXL;2170190]
Speaking for myself I don't buy the illusion girls like to have sex with me...I like it when she fakes in a grossly exagerated manner. I get a kick out of being confronted with female animal camouflage. I think the GF illusion is something some American mongers are after.[/QUOTE]I am exactly the opposite. Passionate DFK is critical. What makes a date GFE to me are DFK, BBBJ, and DATY. I have had dates were 1 of the 3 were missing and I have experimentally determined that the one thing I missed most was the DFK. I love GFE (maybe it is a North American thing but it sure isn't exclusively American. I have too many Canadian Anglo and Quebecois friends that would argue with you XXL). The only think I can say I hate is fake moaning and fake orgasms. You don't have to have one for my benefit mind you. I can tell when someone is crying out like a bad porno for my benefit and I hate it. This happens in China. I love the looks but the fake moaning they do kills me (that and the hairy bushes.).
[QUOTE=XXL;2170190]
A woman after legal age in the West lasts about as long as a new car. Imagine you car is old and you're not even allowed to get rid of it to buy a new one.[/QUOTE]XXL. This is a classic statement.
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Mr Ho,
I love your posts, your philosophical views and ideas. Enjoy your life and freedom! If I could, I would put you in charge of the entire FKK recruitment system LOL.
XXL,
Thanks for the new car analogy. I can only add that a GF illusion can fade even sooner than a 10 year period. She may become ugly in a single year if she gets fat, or worse, after having a kid. In other words: it can only get worse, and it will, guaranteed.
Wife:
And that is why I write this post. After 30+ years, sex with wife is deplorable. Separate finances is the only possibility for us to stay together. 100% separate bank accounts, credit cards, retirement funds, etc. I pay 90% of all the bills, including taxes, car insurance, health benefits, and utility. She only pays for food, home decor and clothes. She likes to manage her own investments, I manage my own. Perhaps the only stuff we buy together is lottery tickets LOL. If this changes, I soon move out and file for divorce. Another anchor could be your ageing parents and troublesome kids. All of which is bad.
Marriage:
The only marriage that gets my stamp of approval is when the man is 50 or older. If you want marriage at this age, then ok. But let me clarify. Girlfriends with kids, mortgages, car loans, and property ownership are technically marriage. So beware. And stay out of this shit as far as you can.
FKK women:
I do fall in "love" with certain girls and they become my so-called "regulars / favorites / spoiled / overpaid". However, it gets kinda boring after about 5-10 rooms. I catch myself fantasizing about taking sex to the next level. It may be a room with another man, or group fuck, or some extras she doesn't provide, anal, deepthroat, etc. Of course she will be shocked if you ask for a new thing! It has been too easy for her to use you as a cash cow LOL. Spiritual connection (measured in Euros) is fine, but sex does slide into uninspiring tediousness rather quickly. I need variety. It's inevitable, regardless how good the sex was at the beginning. The more time goes on, I need a girl to be cheaper, more trash, and be happy about it. The only solution seems fucking new girls and visiting different clubs. If I lived in Germany I would most likely have at least one favorite in each club and rotate them weekly.
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As Jnpr30 says, we all have different approaches. And even one person's approach can vary according to mood and circumstance. I love to feel at home with a girl, but other times will just want to enjoy her physical performance. It is different with every girl (apart from the mechanical girls who just go through the motions).
Takedown raised some interesting points. I am way past 50 and still enjoy visiting the clubs. I think it is just a question of keeping perspective and knowing what you get out of the hobby compared to other options: it is a hobby, and not the solution to any personal life issues (although sometimes it can be a positive or negative contributor). Take heart Takedown, you don't need to end it all when you are 50: it all depends on your circumstances.
RN. It is ok to buy an illusion, but only if we know it is an illusion and as you suggest don't believe in it: as you imply, it is hiding from reality to mistake a prostitute's affection for a stable reality (except in very rare cases). Like going to see a great play we can admire acting skills, even like the actor as a person, have our emotions stirred, but once we leave the show, we have to leave the illusion behind, hopefully having learnt something about ourselves and the world
As for marriage I never discuss whether it is better or worse than the hobby. I have the luck to be married to a wonderful woman and count it as my good fortune as Bfsie suggests. We all have different circumstances
Cheers.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2170326]Takedown raised some interesting points. I am way past 50 and still enjoy visiting the clubs. I think it is just a question of keeping perspective and knowing what you get out of the hobby compared to other options: it is a hobby, and not the solution to any personal life issues (although sometimes it can be a positive or negative contributor). Take heart Takedown, you don't need to end it all when you are 50: it all depends on your circumstances.[/QUOTE]I agree. Sorry to offend people in the older age brackets. I actually think the hobby can be healthy for regular visitors. I really meant it towards people who are consumed by it. For the German retirees who visit once a week, I think it is healthy. For the single, never married, 52 year old without loved ones, I think visiting the clubs 3-4 days per week is an unhealthy substitute for real affection and a real life. Like RN mentions, it may produce delusions in guys romancing women half their age. In this hobby, there is a fine line between enjoying healthy illusions and becoming delusional.
But yeah, I look forward to being able to be retired and enjoy 20 year old girls. I hope to have something similar to the Sunday Brunch Pensioner crew at Sharks when I am in my 60's and 70's. Those guys seem to enjoy the hobby and the camaraderie in a healthy manner.
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I was just reading my post earlier. Believe it or not, I am a native speaker of English. Darn it! Why can't we edit our posts through perpetuity like most other web sites? I am not a very good proof reader of my own writing until after a day or so passes. This is frustrating.
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[QUOTE=HungryStud101;2170332]I was just reading my post earlier. Believe it or not, I am a native speaker of English. Darn it! Why can't we edit our posts through perpetuity like most other web sites? I am not a very good proof reader of my own writing until after a day or so passes. This is frustrating.[/QUOTE]Editing policy depends on the site. I think ISG allowing upto one hour is actually good enough. WSJ allows 5 minutes.
One obvious issue: re-editing is unfair and unethical after other members have directly replied to the original comment, or even if it is referenced tangentially.
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2169974]No, I don't think we all do. It's a hobby and I prefer to leave it at that rather than committing my entire life to it. Some interactions this past trip led me to ponder some things and I will eventually write up my thoughts about how I came to the conclusion that being a Pro in this hobby is something I want to step back from as I found that the guys who are enjoying it the most are the semi-pro guys. ...[/QUOTE]Takedown, come join me in the dark side!
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[QUOTE=TheCane;2170172]A lot of younger guys think like this. It's understandable, especially given all of the societal "indoctrination" that begins the day you are born. Just remember this. "Companionship" and "marriage" are not one and the same thing. You can have companionship without marriage. Even more, you can have a marriage without true companionship! Do what works for you. But remember that. And be careful! Don't let any women score a "takedown" on you, all in the name of love. Protect yourself, including both your own heart as well as any assets you might acquire in life along the way.[/QUOTE]Indoctrination? It's biology and social evolution. Single people die earlier and acquire more disease. That's a statistical fact.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566023/[/URL]
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[QUOTE=SmokeLight;2170322]Mr Ho,
I love your posts, your philosophical views and ideas. Enjoy your life and freedom! If I could, I would put you in charge of the entire FKK recruitment system LOL.
Wife:
And that is why I write this post. After 30+ years, sex with wife is deplorable. Separate finances is the only possibility for us to stay together. 100% separate bank accounts, credit cards, retirement funds, etc. I pay 90% of all the bills, including taxes, car insurance, health benefits, and utility. She only pays for food, home decor and clothes. She likes to manage her own investments, I manage my own. Perhaps the only stuff we buy together is lottery tickets LOL. If this changes, I soon move out and file for divorce. Another anchor could be your ageing parents and troublesome kids. All of which is bad.
Marriage:
The only marriage that gets my stamp of approval is when the man is 50 or older. If you want marriage at this age, then ok. But let me clarify. Girlfriends with kids, mortgages, car loans, and property ownership are technically marriage. So beware. And stay out of this shit as far as you can.
FKK women:.[/QUOTE]Haha, if I have FKK, it will be named FKK No fuck given LOL Girls will be only 19 to 24 years old max, I would keep food simple, but good with things that are hard to go too wrong like past with different sauce, but done good, kebab stand and pizza and salad bar with soup per day with good left over ingredients but done good to keep cost low. Well next life LOL plus I very well know that owning club and visiting club is two different experience unfortunately, it is better to be client.
Yeah, I mean marriage or wife could work, but it is too complicated combined with risks, why so complicate life and rise risk if wife will depreciate in value of appearance after age 30. Like Mr Cane said, companionship do not necessarily need to be married couple, that is only for guys with limited social network who entirely controlled and depend on wife, that is sad but most men are like that, she controls the house hold and even income he makes LOL.
Yeah also me too, I do not fall in love, but some girls craves in and engraved in my book of memory of life, like during repeated session I realize to my self like wow I am living one of the special moment of my life that echoes in eternity for me. You know how I mean? But I keep it at that and not let my self go further even some girls gives me their e mail or fb connection etc. I often think about some girls that left the industry between session in my recovery time like wow she was here few years back walking in from that door into main bar kinda thing, it is nice melancholy moment in FKK for me. Then I am back to hunt more new girls to make new memories LOL.
It is good feeling!
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[QUOTE=MyTwoInches;2170181]If Mr. Ho types up the same thing a thousand times and Mr. Cane dutifully agrees with him, that does not make "we all agreed".
A few dozen posters even bother to write here regularly, and other than you two, only a couple even chimed on this topic occasionally. Most men tune out this tiresome repeated advice on what to do with their life from a couple of anonymous guys who visit German brotels a few times a year.
But it is good to see you propose the theory, claim everyone agrees with you, and conclude it with "it is true".[/QUOTE]Hmmm, no need to twist it like that man, giving life advice? No it is just lounge and chit chatting on topic that is hard to discuss in our private life, but being anonymous can let us discuss openly, which in part is purpose of this forum and internet. It gives us freedom to talk to broaden our horizon and exchange ideas and our thought and doubt.
I do not think it is repeated tiresome advice at all, it is the topic many men want to discuss openly but we cannot due to societal eyes and how we are raised, I mean I posted this topic yesterday and look how we are discussing in just 24 hours or so, it is interesting topic for those men who think for ourselves which is many pro mongers. This is true, I mean as an evidence look how the forum grew just in 24 hours, many men think about these things and being anonymous allow us to develop new part of our brain to next level of our understanding and perception on things.
Plus I am not going to put my real name and address on forum man LOL I mean whole point of this forum and in bigger picture internet is in part talking and discussing freely as we can being anonymous. You know what I mean? You perhaps not LOL.
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[QUOTE=Takedown;2170350]Indoctrination? It's biology and social evolution. Single people die earlier and acquire more disease. That's a statistical fact.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2566023/[/URL][/QUOTE]Yes, I appropriately use the word "indoctrination" because statistics don't change the reality that man's natural biology is to desire and to seek multiple sex partners. That's the way it is, and that's the way it's been since the dawn of mankind. That's a very, very, very long time, and that's natural biology, and settling for one woman is not. Social evolution and / or any negative consequences resulting from biology haven't changed man's basic natural behavior with respect to this. "Social indoctrination" (shaping the mind to do that which does not come natural to achieve happiness) has had the major impact in my view.
And yet, I agree that there are legitimate social concerns stemming from man's natural sexual behavior, such as having children all over the place whom he is either unwilling or unable to care for as an example. Although, I note this exact same consequence can occur with a married couple as the mere existence of a legal piece of paper between them does not automatically resolve anything in this regard. Anyway, because of the potential negative outcomes to society from man fucking everything that moves versus settling on one, and given man's strong natural biological inclination to do just that, we have to be indoctrinated from birth in the ways of love and marriage and sex with only one woman. For life!
I, for one, have chosen to follow another path that works for me. It's one that I personally consider to be responsible and fair to society, and allows me to live in my happiest state. That would be as single and free and fucking as many women as I want to. When I want to. And I can show you that many, many people have chosen to follow me in that the number of single households in the United States are the highest they have ever been. People are not getting married like they used to. And when they do marry, they don't stay married as half of all marriages end in divorce (seems like "grass is greener" syndrome to me). Further, this is not to suggest that all those single households are full of mongers! In fact, many of those people could be quite unhappy and wishing they were not single. But you know what? If some of them could only discover that there's freedom waiting for them in throwing off their lifelong indoctrination shackles, then some of those unhappy single people just might find joy in being single! Whether that be with mongering being a part of the mix or not. Whatever makes you happy.
Just the thought of being with one woman for life does not make me happy. So I don't do it, and to hell with "social evolution" and what society says! I'm going to keep this simple just by being me. Which doesn't mean patronizing tutes several days a week by the way. It means having a full life with many varied interests, of which fucking pretty girls from all around the world in their butt holes is just one.
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[QUOTE=Optimist;2170326]RN. It is ok to buy an illusion, but only if we know it is an illusion and as you suggest don't believe in it: as you imply, it is hiding from reality to mistake a prostitute's affection for a stable reality (except in very rare cases). Like going to see a great play we can admire acting skills, even like the actor as a person, have our emotions stirred, but once we leave the show, we have to leave the illusion behind, hopefully having learnt something about ourselves and the world[/QUOTE]I have seen younger and older guys getting completely swept away by the illusion as they couldn't distinguish between the circus inside the club and what is happening. They got ruined mentally and financially. That is the danger if you get sucked in and don't find your way out, unstable characters with no friends, family and little interest in the non-P6 world once they discovered the clubs and mistook great actors with high EQ for reality.
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For me personally, if I had a choice, marriage and kids is the way to go.
Regardless of how a wife can age quickly or not, for a true love marriage it wouldn't mean anything, as it is always known the eyes can be easily be blind if the hearts wants what it wants. Connecting to a person for the rest of your life is as rewarding as it gets, just with an eye contact a wife can understand all her mans needs and vice versa.
We live once, having kids is just beautiful. Seeing your own children growing, learning, living, is an experience no one can really get unless they have their own children, and ID presume it's the best thing that can happen to a man. Ffs seeing your daughter everyday can cure any sadness / depression / anxiety that a man can carry.
That's how I pictured my life, and till this day I think this is how most men should live.
But what I want or think of is something, and reality is something else.
I myself, I'm sure I can never commit to a single lady, I'll probably not even last a year before cheating on my significant other. Therefore at least ATM I don't think I will choose the marrige / GF path.
I share XXL view of sex in a brothel. Not intrested in a pseudo-love dream with a WG, I'm more intrested for the animalstic side, the dirty, the nasty.