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Any body living in Cali or visiting there recently? Any information on the quality and friendliness of the girls(both working and regular girls)would be appreciated.
Also appreciate any info regarding the city itself, especially with regards to safety.
Thanks. J.G.
To J.G.
If you are afraid about security, probably is better to go to another country, I mean, you will have more risks in Colombia than other countries. I think at present the security is similar in everywhere. You will find dangerus places, as well as safe places. In Cali, the north, where you find many discos and restaurants (Av. 6a.) must be safer than other places in the city. But you have to pay attention!!!
Regarding Girls, you will find very beautiful girls in discos looking for somebody. If you are looking something for money, you can talk to the street girls (there are around those places, too) or go to FLORES FRESCAS (tell to taxi driver for this or another place).
In case that you want to have your company in your room, you can ask to bell boy or buy the newspaper EL PAIS and see CLASIFICADOS (adds) in ESPECIALISTAS section.
Good Luck!!!
Try this HP: www.kaliente.com
Thanks a lot for your reply Marbo. J.G.
I went to cali about 6 months ago stayed at this aparthotel right next to the casino at the intercontinental nice place, i think its call rayda; stayed their two weeks spent $150; at the inter would have spent that in one day for a room. any way there was a bar not to far away, about two blocks away, i think it was called "escocia" not shore; went their a couple of times incredeable looking girls a little expensive for cali but, cheap for american standards, think i pay $35 for an hour not many rooms in the bar, but if you want to take then to your hotel room i think $20 exit fee and then you negociate with the girl. can anybody tell me if this place is still open is very convinient and in the safes part of cali with all the major hotels near; one night took me two girls two my room all night cost me $200 had a great time in cali, some of the most beautiful girls that i have seen in my life truly.
To Panamajack
Yes that Bar still there, but you should try "Flores frescas" (Every taxi driver knows) the girls there are wonderful too!!!
to marbo88
Actually had a chance to go to "FLORES FRESCAS" but the night i was suppose to go, i went to la sexta with some friends and we met some caleņas that where willing to give it up for free, so you now how that goes; i don't pass up free pussy not in cali anyway. hey i got a question for you; how are thing now in cali?, i wanted to go for july but i don't know, i usually go to panama for a couple of weeks, then from panama fly to cali for a week; the last time i went everybody was telling me how dangerous it was but i know cali somewhat, know what area not to even think about going into, i also have some good friends in cali so they pretty much show me the way around cali. one thing with cali that everybody should know is that, for a tourist it is one of the easiest places that i've been to for scoring free puss... with a gorgeaous ladies you may have to spend some $ on drinks but thats all; alot of times just go to the bars in the area of la sexta, it help to know how to dance salsa and just be nice to the ladies you just don't know how affective that is in a place like cali. well next time i'm going to have to check out "FLORES FRESCAS" how much is it to get in now, i think somebody told me 90.000 pesos.
To Panamajack
Yes, you are right about security of the city. The situation here are unknown, we hope the things will change with our new president, but at present I consider is risky to come here especially if you do not speak spanish or are caucasian looking.
I suppose that your friends are Colombian. If so, you can enjoy with your friend's advice. They will know well how are the safest places to enjoy free girls, shows, or some cute girls with different costs. Be careful with girls looking for free sex or cheap costs, some of that girls are drugaddicts. Do not forget: USE PROTECTION EVERYTIME!!!!!!
About cost of FLORES FRESCAS, is one of the high prices places in Cali. You can try to go to "Kaliente" too. I put HP adress in my first message. You can see some of the cute girls working there, unfortunately faces only can see when you met this girls.
If I find another info will ask you
Bye now
marbo88
Yes my friends are colombian and I'm panamanian so i speak fluent spanish, so i really blend in pretty good, they alway tell me that i look and talk like un "costeņo". anyway usually the girls that a have picked up in clubs are middle class, i went to meet a couple of this girls family, i guess they tought that i was looking for a wife but not right now i'm having to much fun. their is a lot of caleņas in panama too, thats the reason why i went to cali in the first place, to meet a caleņa that i met in panama. I fell in love with caleņas from the first day i set foot in cali, they treated me like a king, not only the girl that i went to meet but her 18 year old sister her beautiful cousins all of them treated me great. After that first time i was hook on caleņas. i've met alot ladies in chipi chape mall that place is like a meat market for the young and beautiful and they are approachable unlike the girls hear in the states, caleņas really know how to strut, i just seat back and watch,its an art form the way they walk just like runway model. I also had a chance to go to this area of cali called la zona rosa they have a bunch of bar with ok girls some stars but it was dirt cheat i pay 15 dollar for a nut, i don't know if this bars are still open. oye compay mandame ha decir cual es el mejor lugar en cali para recojer viejas y escribeme sobre juanchito si todavia tienen esa ley zanahoria y que tan peligroso esta, bueno hermano te veo.
Hey panama and other dudes,
I've done Amsterdam and Costa Rica twice. I met so many hottie Colombianas in CR that I thinking about actually going down there. My girlfriend in CR is from Medellin and in the old forum they said that the Medellin girls were the hottest. Basically I hear conflicting stories about Cali and Medellin as to who has the hottest girls. Have you been out to Medellin? I can't decide if I want to goto Cali or Medellin. I am Latino from the east coast of the US so i speak fluent spanish....but I don't know a single soul in Colombia. I don't want to travel in between cities because I here it's too dangerous. Also, how easy is it to pick-up viejas for free? Thanks for any input.
redbull,
Actually never been to medellin, but alot people called that city metrallin you know what I'm talkin about, traveling in betwen cities is crazy not even if i was colombian; I think cali is safer than medellin but not by much I've met girls from medellin in panama and cali, in my opinion the girls from medellin don't have "el calor y la alegria" that the caleņas have they seen more serious, in colombia they called the peolple from that region paisas, if you go be careful thats pablos town.
If you dance salsa you are in heaven in cali my friend, pussy will flow to you like water you just have to drink it .
Well about the hottest! its hard to say i think me myself like caleņas more they seen to have the smallest waist with some nice round asses not to big just perferct and to me their is more variety in cali I've seen blonde, morenas,trigueņa, mulatas, negras and all shades in betwen, blue eyes, green eyes, hazel eyes, you name it; above all, caleņas will bend over backwards to please you if your are a tourist i know mi hermano.
Panamajack, Marbo, and all the other experts on Cali
I speak Spanish fluently, but I am a gringo. What kind of possible danger are we talking about? Just getting robbed and losing some money? or are we talking about getting kidnapped, killed and stuff like that?
I am thinking about going down to Cali and getting me a nice young traditional "carinosa" girl for marriage.
Your input is much appreciated. J.G.
J.G.
Colombia at this moment its not a safe destination for gringos or any foreigner even if you speak spanish, I think that in about 6 month thing will be better. I to plan to find me my wife in cali but I'm to far from that right know, the country its at war with some terrorist so we know how that goes.
I'm curious to know if any of you guys have had experience with the numerous Colombian women marriage agencies....There are a lot of hotties on there but I wonder how many really interested in marriage or are they just submitting photos to earn a few bucks.
Also to Panama would you go through an agency or just try to meet them of the street while down there?
redbull,
I think the best way to meet girls in cali for marriage is througth an agency, just make sure their reputable. Usually you can tell what kind of girl she is when you meet her friends and family, if she doesn't want you to met her people asume the worst and move on. A lot people asume that this girls are just looking for a way out of cali, not thru; most are just looking for somebody to be with; in cali a hear that the ratio for male to female 10 to 1, for every male ages 16-28 their 10 females 16-28 so its pretty bad for the ladies and most of the colombian guys now this. If you take into account that the murder rate for a male betwen the ages of 16 to 28 is 9 for every 100 and for the females its 1 for every 100 you understand why their so many more females than males.
Thanks for the info Panamajack. Keep us updated please. J.G.
To Redbull
Regarding Medellin girls, it is matter of taste, both Cali and Medellin girls are GREAT!!!! I think, if you are looking for some elegant, and model class lookin girl, probably you can find it in Medellin. (After all, is the city of Colombian top models). If you are looking for funny, dancer looking girl, will probably need Cali's girls. Anyway, Colombian girls are kind, good dancers, and good lovers.
About marriaging agencies, I consider, what for? you can find and meet wonderful women everywhere. As Panamajack post before, you can go to Chipichape in Cali, you will find a lot of single girls looking for good man.
To J.G.
As I put in my advice for Panamajack, if you are caucasian with some foreigner accent in your spanish, it is too risky to come here.
At present many majors are threated by guerrillas, and people outside is reduced after 10 pm.
But ... you foreigner guys, have one point in handycap. Colombian girls are looking for foreigners to get marry, because they consider foreigners can appreciate girls as real person.
So, if you guys are looking for something serious, act as you are, and act with kind.
cheers.
Marbo88 and PanamaJack,
Thanks for all of your input......
I have also found that a good way to meet woman is to set-up and account with www.amigos.com This is a latin dating service...I've already been in contact with some chicas from Bogota.
Everyday I read the Reuters news hoping that the situation will begin to improve in Colombia. My girlfriend from Costa Rica isa Colombianita from Medellin and wants me to go visit her in like November. I can't marry her because she's a hooker and she doesn't want to come to the states because she makes too much money in Costa Rica. But I'm interested in Colombia girls for possible marriage because they are so hot and I've ready been married once to a fucking gringa which was a nightmare. Bottom line is I am in my early 30s and I wouldnt mind settle down,,,,,, the girls here suck....And I 've already been to Amsterdam and SJ twice....I think San Jose is the best place for fucking around......Marbo88 and Panama have you guys been to SJ and how does it compare to Colombia or Panama.
What I really need to is make friends with a Colombian dude around here....there everywhere.
redbull,
No dout it would be better to have some friends in colombia if you go. About panama there alot colombianas in panama pros and regular girl, the pussy business in panama its booming,the difference between panama and costa rica its that panama doen't rely on tourist as much, theres alot of commerce, alot of people that come to panama on business, so that pretty much driving the pussy boom in panama. About the girls, think of costa rica with alot more colombianas and thats what panama is; the last time i went to panama I met one of the most beautiful girls that seen in my life she was from barranquilla living in panama with her family so if you get a chance to go to panama you will enjoy its as much as costa rica and its safe not like colombia. Know colombia wait about six month it will get better, I love colombia for the simple fact that most females are so humble, a guess they've suffer so much that they just want to live in peace.
Cali is safe for Americans. I've been 3 times in the last year and I'm going again at the end of July. I have many US friends that go frequently. There's never even a hint of a problem. I can't believe how many people are afraid to go there. The only people that run into trouble are extremely high profile visitors and misguided visitors who venture into the countryside where there's no government control.
The marriage agencies in Cali are legit and helpful. The women you can meet through these agencies are amazing both inside and out. If you are looking for marriage, this is the place to meet your wife. I'd love nothing more than for all US heterosexual men to grab a Colombian wife so I can laugh at all the US women as they wonder what they did wrong.
kdog
I would love to visit Cali and meet a nice woman for marriage. However I have been scared off by the other reports posted here. Also I read the state department travel warning about Colombia, and it sure was scary as well.
But, you feel that all of this is exaggeration?
When you say that the marriage agencies are legit and helpful, which ones specifically are you referring to? Have you or your friends had any dealings with them?
Your response is appreciated. J.G.
J.G.
Yes, the travel advisory put out by the US government is a little silly. However, I understand why they did it. The Colombian criminals are unique in that they have no interest in harming anyone as long as they get money. The way they get money is by getting companies, family, and/or governments to pay ransom. Our government is basically saying "look, if you get kidnapped in Colombia, you're on your own". You can be 99.9999% sure you won't be kidnapped if you stay in the major cities and you are not a high profile individual or government official. In all honesty, the most frightening part of my trips to Cali were when I arrived back at the Miami airport and had to find my car in the parking lot. I'm convinced that you are at least 10 times more likely to meet a criminal in a city like Miami than one like Cali (with the exception of pick-pocketers which are common in most central and south american countries).
I can strongly recommend the latinbest agency in Cali. www.latinbest.com. But don't pay anything until you arrive in Cali. Once you are there, you can pay a small fee (I think $40) and get access to about 10 photo albums packed with beautiful and available Colombian women. They will make the phone call for you and the girls usually arrive in 15-30 minutes. Then you speak with them for usually about 30 minutes (it helps if you know some Spanish, then generally know very little English). If you hit it off, you can invite them for dinner. They will almost always say yes. In fact, I've never seen them turn down a date. Don't have plans for sex on the first date. These are not slutty women and are generally high-class by Colombian standards.
BYW, you can sleep at the latinbest agency. It's a little corny because it's basically a house and the showers/restrooms are shared by all. I do not recommend staying at the Inter-Continental hotel unless you are really afraid of local Colombian hotels or unless you have a lot of money to throw away. The I-C hotel will cost you about $100 per night while other decent Cali hotels cost about $40 per night.
kdog
thanks a lot for the info. J.G.
Kdog,
Tell my something, do you know cali pretty good? can you tell me if there is any other agencies that you tried like tlc. I absolutly love cali it is truly heaven when it comes to women.
Panama, kdog, your reports on Cali/Barranquilla make me strongly think about a side trip in Colombia during next trip in Brasil...could you inform me about the general cost of life there....kdog recommanded to avoid IC and stay in 40 $ hotels, but what is the average budget (restaurants, discos fees, drinks...) for a night out in Cali ?
Thanks in advance
Pro
Hey Panama and others,
If you guys are think of going the agency route you really need to purchase the "Two Gringos Guide to Meeting Colombian Women" The books is small but very informative. The best part about this is when you purchase it you are allow access to their discussion board which is very similar to this. The difference is that their discussion board focuses on meeting quality women for relationships. The board is loaded with info on every major city in Colombia, where to meeting girls, differences and quality of service that the legitimate agency offers, and the blow by blow action of the reports from guys that go to Colombia. I was shocked at the amount of North American men that head down to Colombia on a weekly basis.
The book is $25 bucks but totally worth it.......their website is www.gringos.com
Those of you who know me from previous posting on this section and the putas in Costa Rica know I'm not bullshiting.
Take care
Just finish talking to my girl in cali, things are not looking so good right know, she told me they found enough explosive in cali to blow up half of the city. Also there is a ton of military in the city, tourism is down big time most of the hotels are half empty. Look guys there is a good chance that if you do decide to go know nothing its going to happen to you, just be aware of the facts so you can take precautions good luck.
The army is always in Cali because the 3rd Brigade is based here and they patrol around the neighborhoods of the base a lot and they are quite visible. It has been several months since an arms cache has been discovered and, except for yesterday morning, very quiet recently. Yesterday morning a car bomb exploded near the mayor's office at 5:50 a.m., a time when you should not be out on the street in "el Centro" anyway. No one was hurt. Many people confuse the army with the national police because they all wear "army" uniforms. The police have olive green - the army camouflage - and they all carry M-16's or =.
Actually, now is a good time to come to Cali. The exchange rate is really good and you can get some good deals for your $. When you get here, check out El Pais' classified under Especialistas. As long as you don't carry large amounts of cash, try to stand out like a neon sign saying tourist, and use some common sense in staying out of bad areas, you can have a great time here in relative safety.
Marinero,
Men I would love to go to cali right know, the peso its at about 2.400 peso for the dollar shit you can't beat that; I know about that military base, its on the highway heading south right before you hit unicentro. If anybody is been to cali recently tell me if they have a city curfew thanks. Oh marinero can you recommend any specific ad in el pais they have alot of them listed.
Flores Frescas regularly runs an ad in the classifieds and they say it is one of the best clubs. Another place that has a good reputation is called, I think, Crystal Club. They are on Pasoancho in the south and it is a safe but not tourist area. There is a place on Carrera 50 around Calle 7. Kaliente, which advertises on the internet is a little pricey for what they offer, but the girls are good looking. There are a number of places in the same neighborhood as Flores Frescas. You will see an N in the address. Generally, the north part of Cali is the tourist area, or what remains of it. If you want to go from place to place, take cabs. It is probably best to call on the phone for cabs as they are generally safer. The cabbies know virtually all of the places to go but remember most get a commisison from the clubs they establish relations with so you wont always get a objective opinion. Many of the places do not stay in business too long so the ads are constantly changing and it is hard to say which new places are good. Also, it depends on the girls in each place. Each one is different and probably different with each guy.
There are some areas to stay out of or you will get hurt. Don't go the east side of Cali unless you are with someone with local knowledge. Also don't go in to the hill area south of San Antonio and west of Calle 1. Also, don't carry a lot of cash. There are plenty of ATM's every where and you can get what you need from them if you plan ahead. Don't wear a lot of flashy jewlery and sh*t like that either as it is an invitation to petty thieves. Stay out of el Centro, especially at night. There are a few places in that area but they are not safe and they serve the lowlifes of Cali.
Some of the ads are for "domocilio" only. I don't know too much about these except they can be hit and miss. My experience with hotels was that they didn't really care who you brought in so long as you paid the double rate. But if you bring someone to your room, it is one more reason to use the hotel safe for your valuables. If you have a problem with your hotel, which is very unlikely, you can always use a motel, which are rented out by the hour to locals and are very private.
The biggest problem you are going to find in Cali is that it is so full of good looking women that it is mindnumbing.
Thanks Marinero for the info. when I was in cali one of the things that I use to like to go do was hike up las tres cruses, took about an hour; good place to meet girls specially saturday morning, got alot of dates on that hill, got to the point where I would go just to see fine caleņas in there tight exercise outfits, young and beautiful and in great shape, good spot to see the hold city from the top.
Pro,
I just returned from another great week in Cali. God, the women are gorgeous and sweet. I would recommend visiting Cali on your next trip to Brazil, but be aware that it's a completely different experience. In Cali, the sex business is not as out in the open and the number of sex clubs is less. On the plus side, I feel the Cali women are even more beautiful (I love their black hair, dark eyes, combined with light skin and great bodies) and I feel the experience is more genuine. Don't get me wrong, I think Brazil is awesome, and depending upon what I'm in the mood for (non-stop sex, for example), I might prefer Brazil.
About the costs in Cali. Most things are dirt cheap, but you must stay away from the tourist traps (Inter-continental comes to mind). Great dinner for $4 (8 Mil), taxi almost anywhere for $2 (4 Mil), and hotel for $40 (80 Mil). Do not rent a car. The taxi's are safe and cheap with one exception, from the airport it's a bit expensive ($15 or 30 Mil).
Please be aware you MUST pay an airport exit tax of $25 or 65 Mil IN CASH. If you don't bring enough cash to the airport and your ATM card doesn't work at the airport, plan on staying in Cali another night.
Good luck
kdog,
My friend details, more details please I've been dying to go to Cali this summer you lucky bastar, how is the situation right know as we speak; is there many tourists in the city usually guys looking for caleņas. I envy you lucky dog, I'm going to travel for december hopefully for the hold month like I did my last trip to Cali.
kdog....lucky dog...we all envy you man...keep the posts coming. J.G.
PanamaJack,
I noticed fewer Americans on my trip last week, but I wasn't paying very close attention. There was definitely a stronger military presence at the airport. Guards were everywhere. They gave me two complete searches inside the airport and my taxi was searched just outside the airport. I didn't notice anything unusual in the city. It didn't "feel" dangerous to me, but my sences were blinded by the beautiful women. As always, be aware of pick-pocketers. I've never run into it, but they tell me it's common in some parts of Cali.
I don't know much about the marriage agencies in Cali other than latinbest, but I believe they are all legit. Whatever the agency, I suggest negotiating the price. Tell them another agency offered you a better price and request half. Spend the money you save on the beautiful Colombian women.
Those who plan on visiting one of the marriage agencies, please pay for the taxi when you invite a woman to the agency. It costs the girl approx $2 each way and that's a lot of money for them. The Colombian women are usually too proud to ask for the money, but they will greatly appreciate it when you offer it to them.
KDOG,
love your posts.
I hear that Cali actualy hasthe prettiest ladies in all colombia.
Did you visit Barq. as well?? medellin???
Is it true that in Bogota are more high profeesional women and less sweet girls??
Could you please tell us some prices of SW and their services???
Did you fly from Miami directly to Cali...or via Bogota??
Did you also had an "GFE" there...???
Been thinking to make the big step to Col. next year feb/march.(If things not get worse down there)
Maybe be settling down in SA permanently but NOT in Colombia;-)
Been thinking about Costa Rica or Venezuela.
Seems that there is a shortage on save& cheap hotels with incall SW's...;-)
I just might want to start such a service for decent gents from the US/Europe.
Only thing is I have to improve my spanish;-) and to make some "contacts"....;-)
Johan.
Johan,
I've never been to Barq or Medellin. I live in Miami and all the Colombians claim Medellin has beautiful and sweet women just like Cali. I've been to Bogota and it sucks! The weather is miserable (cloudy, cool, and rainy) and I've yet to meet a friendly person there. Everything is more expensive too.
I've never picked up a SW in Cali because I'm always in a taxi which makes it ackward. The women in Frescas are beautiful and will give you an excellent GFE for $70 US including the room. Most will also give out their phone number so you can meet again outside the club.
I always fly direct from Miami. I believe Aces and American are the only two non-stops from Miami. Aces has much better food, other than that, I didn't notice much difference.
For a safe, beautiful country with great women, Costa Rica is a good choice. However, I plan on living in Colombia one day. The houses are extremely cheap and I prefer the women, food, and culture in Cali. Brazil and Costa Rica are a close second for me.
Kdog
December is a great time to come to Cali because it is Feria time and everyone is in a partying mood. Lot'sa salsa, parties everywhere, and the women are looking their best. Only problem, everyone else is here too and demand goes up.
Between now and Feria is a good time to come if you like things a little quieter. Still plenty of action but the supply exceeds demand and so you can get a little more for your peso. SW's are on la Sexta even as late as 6:00am but it ain't too safe messing with them. You never know who they are or whether they are working rip offs with an associate. Be very careful in that regard. Personally, I don't think it is worth the risk when you can do so well with girls in the local casas or with servicio domicilio out of news paper ads.
Been to Margarita Is. in Venezuela. My take: It was overpriced and the women couldn't hold a candle to Colombianas both in looks and attitude.
Hey, when you're in S Am, you gotta expand your possibilities, specially if you want to get laid. Besides, dancing to Musica Tropical is sexier.:-)
To Monkey(aka Nibu Raphael)
What was your last post about? It is total non-sense. You are trying to mess up the Cali site as well? Why don't you confine your non sensical ramblings to the Peru site? Is there any place in this forum where we can get away from your bull shit?
yo Nibu, I don't like salsa either. But when it comes to nailing beautiful latin girls, i'll pretend i like that shit during my whole vacation if necessary!.. Lets stay on the sex track with your posts...More interesting!
oyyyy, you mean all those incredible women I see at Chango dancing to salsa, meringe, ... are gay????? Sure doen't seem like it to me. ;~) And anyhow, who cares if you can take one or two home with you.
NEED HELP! going to Col. for the 1st time,only Bogata, Iam looking for information on where to find the best working girls. Any info. on clubs,bars,hotels,restaurnts,parts of town,WEB SITES etc... would be of great help.I have had no luck finding web sites with pic. phone numbers,prices etc..of girls in Col. like I have for other latin countries.Is this not the way its done in Colombia?
Everybody its got there opinion about what type of chicas they like. Like the saying goes "in the eye of the beholder", in my personal opinion from my travels to Cali, Bogota, Cartagena and of course traveling to Panama quiet often, I absolutly love Cali for one reason the "caleÃąas" they might be beautiful chicas in medellin,and all over colombia but I've never seen so many with such increadeable bodies until I went to Cali my friend, I can sit here and write all kind of stuff, but you got to go and see it yourself. One thing a absolutly love on a women its a small waist, round ass and a pretty face; no other place in colombia has more culonas than Cali in my opinion, of all shades, Anybody gets a chance to go before december tell me if a bar full of putas called "escocia" near the hotel intercontinental its still open.
>Cali or medellin...
I think any Colombian will tell you that the most beautiful women in Colombia are from Cali.
Second is Medellin but the girls there are beautiful but a bit proud, like fashion models.
Cali is the capital of Rumba. In short, the girls like to party and hard. There is no moral holding back but unlike Brazil the girls also have some real substance to them, even the pros.
Colombia is tempting for a serious hobbyist but...
That said....if you don't know Spanish well, can't blend in with the locals, look America - these days you are at serious risk in Colombia except for Cartagena, which is still free of most of the violence.
In my opinion, Cali edges out Medellin overall for chicas. They both have an abundance of gorgeous women, however, their are many more options (P4P wise) in Cali.
I am going to Cali in the next few weeks any recommendations. This is my first time in Columbia and Cali. What to expect re Hotels prices brothels etc.
Hi guys
Previously we had discussed marriage/introduction agencies at this site(city of Cali). I just wanted to let you know that I have posted my experience with an introduction agency(please see the Guadalajara, Mexico section). I would appreciate it if those of you who have had dealings with introduction agencies in Cali could post your experience/recommendations. Thanks. J.G.
Guys,
How great is the change I meet a decent calena girl during my holiday in February next year who will travel with me (and my friend) to Cartagena???
I like long black hair,Bubble BUtt and some tits as well.
I prefer 23-28 year old...I am (nearly) 36.
Are the malls a good "hunting ground"?? I speak some spanish.
another question....what is better pick up SW on the street or in a brothel?
I'd rather like some non-pro action.
bye.
Johan.
Nibu,
like I said before Ido NOT go to Colombia.
Even yesterday some bombs went off in Santa Martha killing 2 and injuring another 10 people.
And this area in the North was supposed "Farc-free".....yeah right.
All in all I think Colombia is NOT safe right now.
Not in Cali.....not in medellin and certainly not in Bogota.
cheers.
Johan.
PS: I do intend to plan a real gangbang. (Bolivia???Brasil???)
Just got back from a trip to Barranquilla and Cali ... had no problems. Everyone said to stay safe ... keep in the cities and definitely stay away from the countryside. Had a great time in both cities.
Found a place in Barranquilla named JUERNES, girls hang out and chat and dance with you ... take out service is about $20 to $40 negotiable. It was fun.
In Cali did Flores Frescas, price about $40 in house and $120 all night take out. Concentrated more on non-pro girls in Cali ... was my first time to Cali but definitely not my last ... it is now my favorite city on earth ... beautiful, sexy, nice approachable women who love you if you're nice to them. I saw and met beautiful girls I wouldn't be able to even talk to in the states.
Never felt in danger ... stayed at hotel CASA DEL PORTAL near ave Sexta ... about $40 per night incl tax and breakfast ... very nice and chica friendly.
Ricker...good report
How long were you there for? On business or pleasure? Cali was completely safe? Where did you meet the non-pro girls?
Regards. J.G.
J.G. , it was my first time to Cali, had to visit after hearing so many great things about it. I was there for 4 days only on a visit after checking out Barranquilla and Bogota.
I've been going for years all over Central America and Venezuela for both work and pleasure and i absolutely loved the atmosphere in Cali ... friendly and fun but yet relaxed.
Don't know if i was just lucky but everyone i met was really cool, i speak OK spanish, especially for a gringo and everyone, from the chicas to taxistas were pleased that a gringo could talk to them ... it really pays dividends and you don't have to be perfect by any means.
I met the non-pro girls just by going to normal places ... hotels, mall, restaurants, the ave sexta bars and just smiling and going up and saying "hola". Something that never works in the U.S.
Just about every girl I approached, that didn't turn out to have a boyfriend or esposo was very friendly and happy to go out.
My favorite girls was a beauty i met in a hotel lobby just by accident. She was coming by to see her sister who worked there and i was staring at her cause she was HOT and she just smiled.
I figured, what the hell ... i said hi and asked her out and she said ok immediately and told me later ... not all the girls will admit it but 99 out of a hundred wish for a gringo boyfriend.
Anyway, she turned out to be only 19 and i'm close to 40 and she didn't care and i sure didn't care. Just be nice and if you like a girl, ask her out and she'll prob. say "Si".
by the way ... never felt any danger at all ... more dangerous in Miami if you take a wrong turn ... just don't leave the cities.
Ricker
Thanks for the reply.
Did you by any chance have any dealings with any marriage agencies? If so, can you tell us a little bit about it. J.G.
J.G.
While in Cali I saw an ad for an open house at a marriage agency so i went to check it out. Turns out it was a thing for ladies to sign up and not for guys but the owner took me to the office to show me photos of girls and discuss their service.
When I was looking at some photo albums and the owner left the room, a really cute girl came in to make a phone call and i said hi, talked for about 3 minutes and i asked her out ... so we snuck out and spent the day and night together. That was just luck ... but again it shows how open and willing the ladies are in Cali if you're just nice and smile and treat them with respect ... which i don't think they're used to. I'm just an average gringo and speak OK but far from perfect spanish.
As far as prices, the agency wanted $300 for 3 weeks of phone nmbrs and also included some sort of get together one night with guys and girls.
I personally believe, if you're just willing to go out and about and meet people girls and guys (they always have friends), you don't need the agency. If you're in a hurry and just want to meet the girls thru photos, an agency can work too ... just not for me.
I tried it once in Barranquilla, it was fun, but i liked meeting everyday people more.
I would check out the newspaper classifieds in EL PAIS, has a listing and ads for marriage agencies. You can visit some and negotiate prices if that's the route you want to take.
By the way, I found the name of a "reservado" (casa with chicas for hire) a taxista gave me and he said it was numero uno: EVENTOS LIZ , didn't get a chance to check it out thogh
Ricker, I am planning my first visit to Colombia in 2003. I am debating between Cartagena and Cali--haven't decided yet. I am a gringo with decent Spanish skills. My game plan is to try to meet non-pros. I will go after pros only if I strike out with the regular girls, or if I see something really special. You said you stayed at "Casa Del Portal." Would you stay there again? How can I contact this hotel to book a room? Do they have hot water, A/C, and safes in the rooms? (I guess I am a spoiled American, heh heh.) Have you been to Cartagena? I am leaning towards Cali, but some of my friends want to try Cartagena. Unfortunately I don't have time to do both cities. Is Cali better than Cartagena for meeting non-pros?
Thanks Ricker for your useful and excellent reports. J.G.
Just got back from another short trip to Cali, I LOVE that place ... everywhere you look ... beautiful calenas.
Anyway, I don't know Cartegena at all, I've read some good posts in the Cartegena section though. I can though highly recommend Cali ... if you like young, sexy women wearing hip huggers, you'll like Cali, especially Thursday thru Saturday. As a matter of fact, I was just there on a Tues / Wed and had a great time.
I was fortunate and met a couple guys on this trip that gave me some tips on Cali. One guy was doing a Marriage agency deal and took me by the place to check it out. I don't have the name of the place with me but tomorrow i'll make another post with the info.
I learned you can easily negotiate any type of deal with these agencies. Per day deals for like $20 a day to look at the photos and make selections, weekly rates, etc. You can also live at the agency which a lot of guys do and negotiate the price of the room with the agency fee ... one guy told me he paid $60 per night and it included unlimited dates with the agency girls.
Anyway, a lot of guys use the agencies on a per day basis and still go out and do their own hunting like at Chipi-Chape mall. Not a bad method if you're there for a limited time and want to get max exposure to lots of girls ... I think i might even give it a shot next time.
I'll put the name of this agency in my next post but all the gringos there ... seemed to be old pros at this told me they had used the other agencies in town and this was the best by far... and the owner who i met was really cool ... and his secretaries in the office were hot.
Another tip ... if you plan to use pros and bring them to your hotel, don't sleep at the agency hotel ... obviously not a good mix.
Just get your own hotel and do a daily / weekly rate for dates with the agency.
I went to Cali thinking i was going to call this girl i met last week but i went out first on my own exploring a bit and met this absolutely beautiful senorita. Ended up spending most of my time with this new girl but when she was working, i still hit the mall and met a few more girls. I'll tell you ... just be nice and make eye contact ... if a girl smiles at you ... talk to her.
Sorry so long just wanted to throw out some info. I'm going thru a slight depression now having just left Cali, but i'll be back in a couple weeks.
Hey Ricker...
Good reports! I'll be heading back to Cartagena and Cali Dec 14th - Jan 6th and your reports are getting me psyched up again!
Good work Ricker. Keep it up. J.G.
I'll second that. Ricker, I'm looking forward to the follow-up report that you promised us. Also, I have a few questions about Cali that are not really "on-topic" for this board. Would you mind answering these via e-mail? Please contact me at: username at hotmail. Thanks. It is hard to find travel information about Colombia. I noticed Lonely Planet hasn't updated their Colombia guidebook since 1995!
OK, the name of the hotel I use is Hotel Casa del Portal.
I've never made a reservation, I just show up but their mumber is 660-3393 or 660-3395. located at Ave 6A No. 28N-23, tell the taxista it's near Chippi-Chappe.
Cost per night is 90,000 / about $36 US incl the tax ... they asked at first for 110,000 but just negotiate for 15 seconds and they'll lower the rate.
Hotel room is nice - big bed, hot water, AC ... only a safe at the front desk though. I like the place ... close to everything I like and really nice people working there ... they are happy you're there.
As for the agency I was introduced to ... the name is: All Colombian Girls ... owner is Ricardo Pedroza ... his secretary Iveth speaks pretty good english.
located Ave 8 Norte, No. 24N-30 .... telephone 667-8514.
Also see www.allcolombiangirls.com
Buenas suerte ... i'll be there again soon ... I love Cali!
I'll be in Cali the last week of the December and was wondering if any other Mongers will be... My idea is to perhaps have a, er, um, little group action... It should be the "Feria" there then and there will be lots of calenas (local Cali chicks) around.
For the purpose of such an event my thought is to go to a few of the "clubs", make the selection,, etc. I've read over the series of threads in this group and I just see that the Crystal Club is the best. Which other clubs are there that my WSG brothers might recommend (if that is indeed what they recommend)?
-Looks like there is that "Flores Frescas" (what's that, though?) and then there is the website for the Kaliente Club www.kaliente.com (some guys say it was nice).
-There is also this other site/club http://www.amigascali.1hwy.com/photo.html. (funny thing is that Platnym Argentina has far better looking pics but I know that in Cali there are hot looking calenas - not all their pics get on these sites...)
-I read in one earlier email that in the "Escocia" club one can get a lady for $35/hr with an exit fee of $20 - but once out the door of course it is likely all negotiable (ie: for an overnighter...)
Anyone game who might be there then? Oh, I speak Spanish quite well, nearly fluently. I'm in good physical shape, look reasonably good, and with my appearance I can fit in the background and not seem like an overt American, so I'll also be there for finding regular ladies for LTR and/or STR purposes but I have no illusions of bringing them to any such group event....
I do not have time to get that "Two Gringos Guide to Meeting Colombian Women" but I do wonder what the highlights are, redbull2372? Looks like one ought to spend time just walking up and down in the ChippiChappe Mall which is purportedly a nice meet market, for our purposes... going to the bars in the area of La Sexta (Av 6a) appears to be another good thing and it is supposedly better to do that with a few savvy guys.
Note starting on the 20th there will be a beauty contest for "Miss Feria" (see article titled "Las comunas muestran su belleza"
http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/HOY/MTR/C212N2.html#)
Cali accommodation
Hotel usually charge extra when for visitors (the so-called "adicional"). I remember the Aristi hotel only did so for nightly visits, not for daytime visits. All the same, here's a tip regarding accommodation if you're looking for an alternative to hotels (although, I must say, it is two and a half years since I was in Cali).
If they are still operating, these two places are worth a try:
1) Apart Hotel Monte Carlo. This is situated in the Versailles district, a five minute's walk from the Avenida Sexta. Very close to the Amex office. It also has a middle-sized supermarket nearby. "Apart Hotel Monte Carlo in Versailles, cerca del almacén Olímpica" should get you there in a cab. (Olímpica is the supermarket's name). The area gets a little bit deserted after nightfall, which means walking is not safe, not even to the nearby Sexta. By the way, this place is very close to Flores Frescas (a ten minutes' walk, again if walking were an option). Prices, say like Aristi, but better value for money.
2) Edifício Los Cerros. This is situated on the other side of the Sexta, at the foot of the hill (="cerro") where you see the crosses on top ("las tres cruces"). Also a five minutes' walk to the Sexta, but don't try it after dark either.
I don't have any phone numbers.
Small tip about girls : the El Pais newspaper has a column with call-girl agencies (Classificados --> Otras Profesionales). I used their services dozens of time, and I was seldom disappointed. I remember getting good service from a pimp who went by the name of David in the ads.
Other tip about introduction agencies : I registered in one of them five years ago (Latin Best, I think, in the La Flora district). I paid 500 dollars up front for life membership. When I turned up one and a half year later though, I was told that "the rules have changed" and that I would have to contribute again if I wished to have meetings arranged. A scam. Paying on a short-term basis is certainly better, or maybe forgetting about introduction agencies altogether.
Thanks for those tips.
In the last week of December in Cali they will have an absolutely wild Feria - the salsa equivalent of Rio's carnaval, parades & parties till dawn. (check out www.caliescali.com and follow the link to the Feria) Cali is the salsa capital of the world and it will be one big party town! Would be fun to set up some kind of group thang w/WSG bros but I know it'll be fun in any case.
Rendorseg
Feria de Cali
I was there once during the Feria, then I decided it was best to avoid that time of the year.
The Feria de Cali is not a popular street festival like in Brazil. What happens is that salsa groups from all Latin America give concerts in soccer stadiums. Even salsa lovers are sometimes reluctant to go to those concerts because of the big crowds and possible rowdiness.
Many people come to Cali just for the Feria so the town tends to get very full and accommodation may get scarce. Even call-girls get more business (I remember calling an agency once during the Feria and being told they'd run out of chicas because they'd sent eight to the Intercontinental hotel). Another nuisance I remember is that it was difficult to get from one side of town to the other (from the Northern part to the Southern part) because some connecting roads were blocked on account of a parade.
Cokeheads should also beware because I was told the police keeps a more watchful eye on foreign visitors during the Feria than at other times.
Right after the Feria, around New Year, everything gets quiet, too quiet in fact. Many chicas go away to visit relatives and there isn't much action on the night life circuit.
Don't let this discourage you, however, it is mainly a matter of taste : I avoid the Feria in Cali as well as Carnival in Brazil but some people seek out such events on account of the special atmosphere.
Greetings to the Gentlemen of this forum and Happy Holidays!
I am making my first trip to Cali in January. Of course I am going there for the beautiful girls, but also want to learn Spanish.
I have doing research on the web but the only reputable thing I have found for a Intensive Spanish Course in Cali is Berlitz which is quite expensive ( US$31/hour for private lessons). Does anyone know of a really good Spanish language school in Cali besides Berlitz? Much obliged for any assistance.
Hi rcrusoe!
You'll find Colombian women with college degrees who will be delighted to give you private tuition for half (or a third of) that price!
You might advertise in EL PAIS.
E.g. : "Caballero norteamericano busca cursos privados de espaņol etc."
I think you can pay the ad on line, only I don't know whether they have a securitised server for credit card transactions.
Just got back from Cali again ... I'll tell you, it gets better everytime I go. I'm sure it's because I'm making new contacts each time and making friends.
For the PFP scene, a colombian guy showed me a good place for a daytime session. It's called "clinica ... " address is:
Ave 2 norte , #23N 37.
A lot of upper class type guys in there drinking and talking and from 15 to 25 girls that come out and introduce themselves.
The price incredibly is only 30,000 pesos for an hour, about $12.
Nice girls, clean rooms, not elegant but nice and appreciative.
I tipped 10,000 pesos and the girl was very very happy.
Spent most of my time meeting real girls. First night met 2 girls from Medellin in Cali for the fiesta, absolutely stunning. Me and a colombian friend went dancing with them till 5 AM. I can't really dance salsa but just kind of went with the flow. After a few beers noone cares. I will learn this salsa though because all the girls love it.
Then I met this Calena in a bar where you sit and listen to music and watch MTV on big screen TVs. This girl is the sweetest girl i've ever met and i spent the rest of my time with her. Went dancing, drinking and even christmas carolling with her.
Matter of fact I'm going back to Cali on the 30th to spend new years with her and her family.
I almost did the marriage agency thing, which I think can be good if you do the pay by week thing ... but i think if you can meet some of the locals, like guys that work in the clubs or hotels, they'll introduce you to friends and their friends and so forth ... takes some time and luck though.
Anyway, good luck, hapy holidays and enjoy Cali ... I love that place.
Hello Ricker
I am glad that you enjoyed your time in Locombia.
Question: From the sound of your post it seems that you felt safe during your stay. Would that be an accurate statement?
XXL,
Re: Tutelege and extracurriculars, and your writing...
"You'll find Colombian women with college degrees who will be delighted to give you private tuition for half (or a third of) that price!
You might advertise in EL PAIS.
E.g. : "Caballero norteamericano busca cursos privados de espaņol etc." "
I am curious if such an advertisement could attract the wrong type of attention and cause bad guys to string me up in the junngle for ransome. I'd love to learn Spanish with all the extracurricular that are possible too, but postings from summer would recommend low profiles. I have caught the grist of recent postings and the reasonable safety of Columbia as contrasted to mid-year, but if it is safe to advertise identity and contact info as N. American then call me Columbian!
Xthrax
OK, you might leave the "norteamericano" part out. You might go for "extranjero" (foreigner) instead.
A good idea would be to publish a cellular phone number in the ad and meet the girls first at some neutral location in town.
After all, if you register in an agency like so many Americans do in Cali, you will meet girls who will know who you are and even know your social status and address in Columbia and in the US. Some of these girls might have guerrilla ties too, if you think along these lines.
I don't see why an ad in the main city newspaper carries a greater risk than other pursuits mongers usually engage in while in Cali.
I went to that place named la Clinica this week (actually twice), and think that it is a great place. The address is calle 2 Norte #23N37. The place is clean, well maintained, and the women are numerous (up to about 20) and all decent person as far as I can tell. When one comes in, all women will be called out and will shake your hand telleing you her name. You then say which one you want to the doorman. You then pay $25 000 pesos (less than $10) and you then have an half hour with the lady that performs extremely well her duties. I tipped the girl $5 000 pesos and each were happy. I'd recomend that place to anyone to keep the prices low. When people pay high prices for sex, they end up destroying the entire industry with inflationary pressures. Enjoy!
Anybody else heading out to Cali during the last week of April?
Since I'm in Cali, I had the opportunity to visit only 'La Clinica' (which is a terrific place), because of a lack of specific addresses and comments related to other places. Contrarely to what is said on this forum, I had only bad experiences asking taxi drivers to take me to places (and I am fluent in Spanish).
Could people post names of places of businesses with addresses so I can ask my taxi driver to take me there with the address?
I pretty much like the formula of 'la clinica del amor' because there is a good selection of women, and they do not harrass customers. But, feel free to throw anything in there with the address or extremely specific directions.
Thank you all!
Antifreeze
rendorseg: I am in Cali, and now live here. Maybe we could meet during your stay.
Sorry Amigo - last minute emergency resulted in my not going now... may be out in a few months though... Have fun! Which hotel'ya at?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]rendorseg: I am in Cali, and now live here. Maybe we could meet during your stay. [/i][/QUOTE]
By the way, I had actually good experiences with the taxi drivers there.... seek and ye shall find. What'd be good would be to find a lovely 1 or 2 day gal, a semi pro... are you finding any leads on such hot babes there? Good luck and enjoy!!!!!!!
[QUOTE]Originally posted by rendorseg
[i]Sorry Amigo - last minute emergency resulted in my not going now... may be out in a few months though... Have fun! Which hotel'ya at? [/i][/QUOTE]
I live in Cali now. So, my hotel is home. Spending a full $200/month on my 1800 sq. foot appartment on the 9th floor with georgious view on the mountains (can't beat that).
I had a ride with a taxi driver that talked the other day. I asked for places similar to la Clinica, preferably to the north, and he came with that list.
1) At the corner of Avenida 4 and Calle 20 Norte, there is a place (don't know the name and haven't checked on it yet).
2) Then one can ask to go to la 'zona rosa en la carrera 15'. Every taxi driver knows where that is (downtown Cali - once again I have not been there and will post results when I will).
3) More south, there is a place called 'Cupido' that is supposed to be just great (I will post again the results when I will go there).
OK, I've been looking at some places that the taxi driver talked about, and I have some addresses to help you get there.
The first address is Carrera 66 #9-61. That's in the south. I don't know the name of the place. I went there around 2PM on a Saturday, so there was not a great selection of women (only 4 of them). I did not even taste any of them and went away (so I don't even know how much they charge - silly me).
A block away from there is 'Cupidos'. The address is Autopista Sur #65A-28B. Oncew again, it was pretty early on a Saturday afternoon, and there were only 3 women and didn't even care for any of them. I did ask how much was asked for an half hour, and it is at 30 000 pesos (a full $10US).
antifreez, I am interested in geting an apartment as well. I want to purchase one if I can Is your apartment an apartment hotel if so can you share the name of this apartment building. Thanks in advance
Cali is fun place to visit, I can only image how much fun it is to live there. Planning on visiting cali when I move to panama in may, only a 45 min. flight from cali. looking forward to visiting cali often once I move, life its to short enjoy.
MRC, renting an appartment is cheap but you have to bend over backwards for all the requirements related to paperwork. That is, most probably, the landlord will ask for someone to endorse that has what is called "propredad raise" (owns a house in Colombia) and has some revenue. So, assuming that you don't have any family down here, it basically kills the deal. The way around this, is to give a full 6 months of rent up front. But, beware, should you get burned, you do not have a great legal system behind you to help you get your money back. So, overall, renting is a risky business. Buying is also somewhere risky, although it is cheap. If you buy, make sure that you occupy the place. If the place was used by someone that you don't even know for 2 years, that person now owns the place. That is part of a special law targeting to help all the people displaced by war. So, one of 2 things. You live in there, or you pay (or charge rent) with a correct notarized contract to someone where it is clearly stipulated that you still own the place. Consult a lawyer. I may have said a lot of false things based on fragmented information.
Living in Colombia is just plain fun and excitement. When you wake up in the morning, you basicaly don't have a clue how your day is going to flow, and you are almost always hapilly surprised. Way different then the US where you wake up and get on the cruise control for a full day to complete and get to the next one (everything is way too predictable there - which affects your prospects of getting surprised).
Living in Colombia is like getting back to the 70's. People will stop and actually talk to you. You can't go and see someone for 2 minutes, you need to stop and accept their coffee and that is a good thing. Women are beautiful and georgious at the same time. They are not affraid to be feminine and will compete with other women to get to you (doesn't that feel great).
antifreeze has it right about the finca raíz. Unless you have a landlord who is used to working in a US/European manner you will have to own property, or have a cofiadoro (cosignator) who does.
I've never heard about putting down 6 months deposit. Maybe that would work, or maybe a secured bank account with the money in it to be paid out monthly?
Be careful.
I am just coming back from another session at la Clinica del amor (Av. 2Norte #23N23), but this time paid for one hour with a lady that I tried before and rocked my world (34000 pesos = $12USD). Once again, the selection of women was great. This place is really the best bet one could take if in town for a couple of days only.
I also found another place near there. The address is Av. 2Norte #24N105. Should you go there, you will see just a normal residence, like most of those places, they do not advertize much, you need to ring and they'll open. There were 4 decent girls but didn't care to taste any of them. The good thing about that area is that there are at least 4 places to go at walking distance. So, if one is bad, get to the next one.
Addresses close to each other in that area:
Av. 2Norte #23N37
Av. 2 Norte #23N23
Av. 2 Norte #24N105
I don't have the address of the 4th one, but it is a bit more east that la Clinica del amor.
Enjoy!
I've been to the place at Av. 2 Norte #24N105 and it ended up pretty good. For an half hour it is 27 000 pesos (a little less than $10USD). I chose a girl named Clara. She is 20 years old and has an ass that you could follow to hell. The room was great. They even put some energy into putting a pseudo-romantic mood in there (better than the other places where it is pretty raw). Clara was delicious although she did not perform anything fancy (not even oral sex). She works at that place for only 3 weeks, so I can understand the lack of diversity or else. Just one negative note, is that the host tried to charge me 30 000 pesos for the half hour. I felt that he was not genuine about the price, so I asked him if he is sure about the price because I heard different (as if I did, but in reality did not). At which point he lowered the price to 27 000 pesos.
A lot of places are closed during holly week. I found one that is opened: Avenida Roosvelt 37-11.
Enjoy!
Anybody know how the pay-for-sex scene in Cali is during Christmas week? Unfortunately that is the only week I'll be there this year. As Antifreeze pointed out, Easter week was pretty dead. I'm sure hoping Christmas week is better.
I was in Cali last year right before XMas. It was a blast, lots of fiestas on Avenida Sexta. I remember meeting a lot of chicas visiting from other cities in Colombia for the Cali Festival ... think it's spelled the 'ferria'.
Good time to be there. PFP scene was good too that week.
Easter week is different. It's the 'semana santa' which is more tranquilo.
Buenas Suerte.
one of the reason why 'la semana santa' sucks so much is because their religion prevent them from opening their legs during that week. it's a bit special, but i spoke about that to a couple of ladies and they do follow that rule. that is, during the entire week they do not have sex. so the availability of ladies goes down dramaticaly and the ones that are available is not really that much of an experience. i'd believe that xmas will be different since it is the time of the year where they get wild during la feria.
here's a quick note about ladies in colombia. it is so much of a change from the us that it is just plain incredible that it is on the same planet. the ladies that you will meet in closed houses are extremely decent persons that, most of them, ended there by a series of misfortune of life. i met one which lost her husband in a moto accident (motorcycle is extremely dangerous here) and is left alone to take care of her kid. so she does that because she has to. there are many like that. the bottom line is that for a cali woman to prostitute herself, she needs less of a rupture with herself than for anywhere else i know. that is, sex is good and fun for them, and they do not throw this in the back alley of their mind. so, when times are difficult, they fall back on that. i met a lot of them that are student and do this part time in order to continue studying. treat them with respect since they are respectful person that handle their responsibilities what ever the price. showing them respect will often result in getting some extra on the job.
as for the women that are not in closed houses, it is also impressive. they are almost full time in the business of attracting men. they spend a fortune on clothes. they'll go ahead and get a boob job or fix anything that will end up giving them an advantage to get a man. i know many of my wife's friends that got boob and or nose jobs and are just drop dead georgious. i often walk on the street and cross a georgious woman that will look at me directly in my eyes (in the us she would probably spit her gum under my shoes before looking away really fast). i am so unused to this that i am the one looking away when that happens. silly me! i guess i'll need some time to get used to that. bottom line is that you are not a threat to them here, you are a treat. they will not only give you the time of the day, but will also give you all her time from her day.
personally, i don't want a mistress. but i could easily get one. getting a mistress to me is the worst cheating one could do to her wife. getting a working woman doesn't involve feelings other that pure copulation. but a mistress is more of a complete relationship that i wouldn't allow. at one point, you begin to care more about one than the other, and then you're the only one to suffer. one thing that my wife can't offer me is diversity. she can't change ass or boob every week. with prositutes, i get that. with a mistress, i am left with the same void...
so. there is a bit of everything for everyone in here. living in cali is a blast. cost of living is low, infrastructure is great (high speed internet, reliable electricity and more), and life is just more complete than in the boring states of america.
EXCELLENT post, Antifreeze! I've been to Cali several times and dated a chica there for a time. I agree with everything you say. Calinas are quite special and I'd also have to mention that the chicas of Medellin are wonderful as well. The P4P scene is better in Cali, though IMHO....
Great post Antifreeze! I've gotten the opportunity to travel to Cali several times once for a period of 3 month last year, I had a girlfriend that I met in Panama, she was from Cali blew me away until I set foot in Cali and saw so many females that looked as good or even better than my girl and like my girl friendly and approchable. I enjoyed Cali so much, I didn't want to leave when it came time for me to go back to the states. Almost got married in Cali but I was fucking around so much behind my girlfriend back that at one point she found out that I had fucked her cousin, its increadible all of her female cousins are so fucking beautiful and all of them treated me like a GOD, I often wonder if I could live in Cali. When I was in Cali I rented a aparthotel in a great neighborhood, it was right across the street from the casino of the intercontinental hotel, the name of the place was Rayda nice apartments it cost me 275 a month great service anything I wanted they would get, female friendly, cleaned my room every day even did my laundry, matter of fact the owner offer to sell me an apartment, about two blocks from Escocia a bar full of pros. a great place to pick up females. I truly miss Cali, I'm in the planning stage of relocating to Panama. I might consider buying a apartment in Cali since I'm going to be so close, good luck Antifreeze.
We had a party on Saturday with my wife's extended family. First, let me know that Colombians know how to party (at least they know how to start it, but need to be reminded by foreigners like me how to end the thing at 4 AM).
There was some of her cousins in there. Got in their inner circle when they were talking among themselves. Georgious babes! One of them was talking about the fact that she consulted a psychic in order to get advice on how to get a man (not even an husband, just a man). And she looks fabulous. I know her and know that she is quality material. Another one, she's a bomb, looks terrific, has boobs that make you go at the plastic surgeon and ask to get a hand operation to get bigger hands to handle those boobs. She states that it's been almost one year without a boyfriend or nothing. She doesn't like to go out so doesn't meet many people. And, she's a doctor with a real job! What a frickin catch. My sister in law (twin sister of my wife) is saving money for a boob job. Once again, quite a catch. Problem with those type of people, which I believe are the real people one wants to meet in Cali, is that they rarely go outside of the family. It's pretty difficult for foreigners to get to know them since they'll never have any context where to meet them. There is one thing that they had in commun, they were all talking that they were going at an agency the following week. So, agencies I guess are a good magnet for nice candidates. Here's a note on that though. Should you meet someone special there, you'll be forced to rush yourself into marriage if you want something out of it. Knowing that you're a foreigner, you'll probably won't have sex before marriage (or really little of it), and for the purpose of paperwork, you'll need to provide your girl a status to bring her back to whereever.
Other than that, I still enjoy the scene down here. I had a terrific 20 years old this weekend. God she was good. And we just stayed in bed and chated for almost an hour. It's funny that even prostitutes seem never to have been fucked once in their lives. That is, I take my time, and I let them enjoy themselves as much as I do. But then, they look at you as if it was the first time that they were ever fucked well in their life. They don't want you to go and ask for more. That one I had this weekend after I got done once, asked me to stay, and jumped on me after another half hour. She then told me that it has been a long time for her... I don't know where Colombians guys are or what they are doing, but WOW, Cali is quite an experience. Today, I'll go and see a nude billiard. It's a billiard where women are all nude. May or may not be good (women could be horrible). I will try to post results. There is another place like that up north that is just a bar though. Female are all nude and you can sip a beer. Welcome to planet Cali...
Hey antifreeeze, I want to meet the Doctor (tell her I am a lawyer in California who LOVES big boobed Latinas!). Seriously, thinking of going to Cali in two weeks but do NOT want to join a marriage agency. I can email her my picture and a description if you'll be so kind as to email me her email address. My Spanish is pretty decent so language is no barrier.
Also, if you need anything brought down to you from the US let me know. Please email me at XTNSurfer@hotmail.com. Hope to hear from you. (Check Brasil & Indonesia folders for my prior reports on WSG if interested in verifying that I am a contributor, not a taker).
Gidday antifreeze,
Great post Freeze, I hope it is true.
I'm coming to South America the end of June and was just going to Rio, SP and BA in Arg but now after your post I'm coming to Cali.
In 1995 I met this girl in Hong Kong and we hit it of and she said she came from Cali and the most beautifull girls come from Cali in all South America, I beleived her then and after your post it just confirms it.
Alot of water has pasted under the bridge with me since 1995 with me mate.
I'm not into the all night, every night with a different girl thing, been there and done that, I just want to settle down and start a breeding program ( yes I'm a farmer !! )
Mate if you can help me, I'm looking for a girl;
18 to 25 years of age,
5'8'' and taller,
Very slim with very long hair,
Drop dead gorgeous who dresses to kill !!.
Education, Doctor, Nurse, Veterinaryian, Accountant ect.
Olive complection with lighter skin.
Some english but not important.
Freeze, what do you think mate ?. Am I asking for to much ?
Any help would be great if you can.
All the best, regards
Aussie Greg.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]We had a party on Saturday with my wife's extended family. First, let me know that Colombians know how to party (at least they know how to start it, but need to be reminded by foreigners like me how to end the thing at 4 AM).
There was some of her cousins in there. Got in their inner circle when they were talking among themselves. Georgious babes! One of them was talking about the fact that she consulted a psychic in order to get advice on how to get a man (not even an husband, just a man). And she looks fabulous. I know her and know that she is quality material. Another one, she's a bomb, looks terrific, has boobs that make you go at the plastic surgeon and ask to get a hand operation to get bigger hands to handle those boobs. She states that it's been almost one year without a boyfriend or nothing. She doesn't like to go out so doesn't meet many people. And, she's a doctor with a real job! What a frickin catch. My sister in law (twin sister of my wife) is saving money for a boob job. Once again, quite a catch. Problem with those type of people, which I believe are the real people one wants to meet in Cali, is that they rarely go outside of the family. It's pretty difficult for foreigners to get to know them since they'll never have any context where to meet them. There is one thing that they had in commun, they were all talking that they were going at an agency the following week. So, agencies I guess are a good magnet for nice candidates. Here's a note on that though. Should you meet someone special there, you'll be forced to rush yourself into marriage if you want something out of it. Knowing that you're a foreigner, you'll probably won't have sex before marriage (or really little of it), and for the purpose of paperwork, you'll need to provide your girl a status to bring her back to whereever.
Other than that, I still enjoy the scene down here. I had a terrific 20 years old this weekend. God she was good. And we just stayed in bed and chated for almost an hour. It's funny that even prostitutes seem never to have been fucked once in their lives. That is, I take my time, and I let them enjoy themselves as much as I do. But then, they look at you as if it was the first time that they were ever fucked well in their life. They don't want you to go and ask for more. That one I had this weekend after I got done once, asked me to stay, and jumped on me after another half hour. She then told me that it has been a long time for her... I don't know where Colombians guys are or what they are doing, but WOW, Cali is quite an experience. Today, I'll go and see a nude billiard. It's a billiard where women are all nude. May or may not be good (women could be horrible). I will try to post results. There is another place like that up north that is just a bar though. Female are all nude and you can sip a beer. Welcome to planet Cali... [/i][/QUOTE]
Gidday Aussie,
I hope that is all true: well it is... You are welcome to read everyone else's reports, Cali is a special place for inner and outher beauty.
Are you asking for too much with the de4scription that you posted: not at all! One of the things that surprised me the most out of Cali is that there is something for everyone. It is not like Brazil where it seems pretty difficult to get a serious wife down there (could be wrong, haven't been there myself but heard many reports from close friends).
In Cali, if you want a one night stand, you'll get it in a heartbeat. But really the Calena is looking for a serious guy to settle down. Even the prostitutes that I use from time to time they're all for settling down and I am of those who believe that they are not worst human beings because of their profession.
Shall you find a georgious woman in Cali, there is a good chance that you won't have to be affraid about her sleeping around all your life. I married one of those beauties too that one thinks is too good for yourself. She ended up an exceptional wife and even better mother. Sleeping around is something I do (with working women only - no girlfriends allowed) to keep my lower brain busy and is not in response to any void with my wife.
So go ahead and come down here. You should be hapilly surprised. There are some girls that you want to stay away from though. I think the following criterias are important:
1) The girsl that wants to get out of Colombia, whatever the price (and with whoever). She'll use you and throw you away when you'll have met your purpose. I've seen more relations fail with those kind of girls than any else.
2) Too much age difference and situation difference. Don't forget that if a girl is 30 down here, she probably still live with her mom and dad. They have a lot to learn when they hit the real life. Depending if you want to care for her or a team mate that actually supports you, you may want to look at that criteria.
3) English: all women will say that they speak English. But it's bullshit, they really don't. If you have the language barrier and the culture barrier, that accumulates. If you can at least drop the language barrier from there, then you're working towards a better chance of getting things right.
Bottom line, I think, is that if you find a girl that you feel good with and that cries because she doesn't want to leave Colombia and just does it because she likes you, then you hit the jack pot. Take a year to enjoy her and make sure there's no hidden defects and then start producing kids to do us all a favor.
Good morning Antifreeze,
Thanks for the quick reply.
I will digest what you write and get back to you in a few days but I think your right, take a year.
All the best, take it easy !!
Regards,
Aussie.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]Gidday Aussie,
I hope that is all true: well it is... You are welcome to read everyone else's reports, Cali is a special place for inner and outher beauty.
Are you asking for too much with the de4scription that you posted: not at all! One of the things that surprised me the most out of Cali is that there is something for everyone. It is not like Brazil where it seems pretty difficult to get a serious wife down there (could be wrong, haven't been there myself but heard many reports from close friends).
In Cali, if you want a one night stand, you'll get it in a heartbeat. But really the Calena is looking for a serious guy to settle down. Even the prostitutes that I use from time to time they're all for settling down and I am of those who believe that they are not worst human beings because of their profession.
Shall you find a georgious woman in Cali, there is a good chance that you won't have to be affraid about her sleeping around all your life. I married one of those beauties too that one thinks is too good for yourself. She ended up an exceptional wife and even better mother. Sleeping around is something I do (with working women only - no girlfriends allowed) to keep my lower brain busy and is not in response to any void with my wife.
So go ahead and come down here. You should be hapilly surprised. There are some girls that you want to stay away from though. I think the following criterias are important:
1) The girsl that wants to get out of Colombia, whatever the price (and with whoever). She'll use you and throw you away when you'll have met your purpose. I've seen more relations fail with those kind of girls than any else.
2) Too much age difference and situation difference. Don't forget that if a girl is 30 down here, she probably still live with her mom and dad. They have a lot to learn when they hit the real life. Depending if you want to care for her or a team mate that actually supports you, you may want to look at that criteria.
3) English: all women will say that they speak English. But it's bullshit, they really don't. If you have the language barrier and the culture barrier, that accumulates. If you can at least drop the language barrier from there, then you're working towards a better chance of getting things right.
Bottom line, I think, is that if you find a girl that you feel good with and that cries because she doesn't want to leave Colombia and just does it because she likes you, then you hit the jack pot. Take a year to enjoy her and make sure there's no hidden defects and then start producing kids to do us all a favor. [/i][/QUOTE]
Still discovering underground Cali. I tried to get away from closed houses and give a try to other more bars type places. The result is so-so.
First, I've been at a nudist billard (women are nude, you keep your clothes). Women are good looking and playing pool with a nude woman is a pretty special experience. There is a cover charge of 3000 pesos ($1USD). The address is Carrera 28 #6-37. It is pretty close Roosevelt blvd in the south of Cali. Bottom line is that it is a special experience, but your left to jerk off when you've accumulated enough sexual pressure. Since I personaly do not like to see a nude woman that I can't touch, I will stay away from there. I did ask if one could go to a room, but never got a straight answer. So, I just left, most probably forever.
Later in the week, I've been to a place called Cristal Club (Calle 13 #72-25). This place is full of georgious women. There are times in your life when you meet a woman that is just too good to be true. There was one of those there. She had an ass that one could follow to Hell and boobs that just were the incarnation of perfection. I had to get to a room with her, and we did. What a fuckin crappy attitude she had. First, no conversation what so ever. Then, once in the room, showers (that's actually OK) and then goes ahead and puts 2 condom on my dick (not even erected). Turnas around and starts doing it. At one point I asked her to turn around and she said no, she prefers it that way. I wanted the view if I didn't had the experience. She was the hell of a ***** like I have not seen many times in my life. I didn't do what I came there to do and just left her with her attitude. The south seems to have more beautiful women because of the presence of Universities. They are hard working women paying for their studies. Up north, the only things there are are closed houses, so it's pretty difficult to find new ones unless they advertise in the local newspaper (a lot of them are advertised - but many more are not).
Hey Antifreeze,
Can I ask you a question? What part of Cali do you stay in, How is the situation in the city as we speak. I'm definetly going to Cali this summer but I'm going to be on my own. I have some friends in Cali but I met them throught my exgirlfriend and I really don't even want her to know in going to be their. Also know some caleņas but I want something new, I might try a marriage agency. Any recommendations?
Also have you been to FLORESFRESCAS, is it still expensive? the last time I went there cover was 96.000 colombian pesos but if I'm not mistaken the most beatiful working girl in Cali. Hey also Juanchito have you gotten a chance to go? its a bit rundown but on weekend full of females pros. and semipros.
One thing that [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off about Cali is that there is alot of counterfit colombian pesos circulating, be careful don't exchange large bills with taxi driver they got me that way [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off. The colombians can tell right away if is counterfit but my stupid ass couln't tell the difference, oh well you win some you lose some just be careful. Cali to me is still that unforbitten fruit, deadly but oh so intoxicating, happy hunting guys..............
I am from the North. The North and the south are almost 2 different cities for those who do not know. North is relatively residential and has la Avenida Sexta that is the nightlife magnet of Cali. I don't know much the south. It is like an untouched jewel that I discover little by little.
Flores frescas is for turists. Do not waist too much of your money there. Cover charge is extremely high and women quality is not better than other places. That is my point of view of course and some disagree.
Stay away from Juanchito, that place is just full of bandits. As a matter of fact, the first week I came to Cali, we went there with my wife and sister in law. And some bandit stole our car... Needless to say that they won't see me again there.
I am sure that you know panamajack not to pay for an agency from outside Cali. Wait to come here and meet the owner and ask for a 1-2 week price instead of a lifetime membership that will cost you an arm and not have a duration from even a fly's lifetime...
Enjoy Cali!
Gidday Antifreeze,
I'll try to be in Cali around the 20th June.
I havn't booked any hotel yet and probley wont untill I arrive in the city, the Lonley Planet travel book that I'm reading recommends a few places.
I think what I'll do is just walk the streets at first, a bit of shopping, visit a few night spots ect
I think also I'll try a get a english speaking guide for a few days to show me around and introduce me to a few people.
What do you think antifreeze, do you think this is the way to go !!
Regards,
Aussie.
QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]I am from the North. The North and the south are almost 2 different cities for those who do not know. North is relatively residential and has la Avenida Sexta that is the nightlife magnet of Cali. I don't know much the south. It is like an untouched jewel that I discover little by little.
Flores frescas is for turists. Do not waist too much of your money there. Cover charge is extremely high and women quality is not better than other places. That is my point of view of course and some disagree.
Stay away from Juanchito, that place is just full of bandits. As a matter of fact, the first week I came to Cali, we went there with my wife and sister in law. And some bandit stole our car... Needless to say that they won't see me again there.
I am sure that you know panamajack not to pay for an agency from outside Cali. Wait to come here and meet the owner and ask for a 1-2 week price instead of a lifetime membership that will cost you an arm and not have a duration from even a fly's lifetime...
Enjoy Cali! [/i][/QUOTE]
Gidday Aussie,
I believe that you should at least book your first night at an hotel. Most flights arrive pretty late and you are just so tired when you come in that you don't feel to shop for an hotel. That is at least my personal preference.
A lot of Americans go at the intercontinental. I personaly do not like that hotel. It's a lot like the US abroad... I'd prefer hotel Dam... It is even more luxourious than the intercontinental, about the same price, but has many colombian touch added to it...
As for getting an english translator. Watch out, you may have some people praying on you... Let me see if I can find something secure...
Hola !, que tal !! Antifreeze,
Thanks very much for your info, am looking forward to having a beer with you and maybe a game of pool !! ( billards )
Yes if the flights come in late at night then thats the way to go, I'm going in to book my flight after I right this letter to you, so I'll no more in that regard.
I'll only be looking for a cheep place to stay untill I get my bearings.
It would be great if you could enquire about an english guide for me, muchas gracias mate.
Will right to let you no about my flights, hasta luego
Aussiegreg.
QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]Gidday Aussie,
I believe that you should at least book your first night at an hotel. Most flights arrive pretty late and you are just so tired when you come in that you don't feel to shop for an hotel. That is at least my personal preference.
A lot of Americans go at the intercontinental. I personaly do not like that hotel. It's a lot like the US abroad... I'd prefer hotel Dam... It is even more luxourious than the intercontinental, about the same price, but has many colombian touch added to it...
As for getting an english translator. Watch out, you may have some people praying on you... Let me see if I can find something secure... [/i][/QUOTE]
Hello aussie,
I totally agree with Antifreeze book a hotel before you set foot in cali at least for one night, believe me you don't want to be walking around Cali at night with your luggage, you become a target right away.
I've stayed at the intercontinental a few times nice hotel but over priced, if thats your cup of tea its a fine hotel. Also stayed at the Windsor plaza wonderful hotel very good service, a bit cheaper than the inter but a alot more intimate, only negative is that its in the north, not alot to do at night becomes desolate. Really it depends on what you want, how long are you going to be in Cali, how much do you want to spend.
About translator, most nice hotels provide translator at a substantially higher rate than a individual translator but at least you know your not going to be jerk around. I wish, I was in Cali for that time, a have a good friend thats a english professor real nice guy and at that time there on summer vacations so his got the time to earn a little money. Good luck Aussie and don't fall in love with the first beatiful girl that smiles at you, take your sweet time and enjoy.........oh also please take the time to go to Chipichape mall on the weekend you will never forget it, God I know I dind't.
Gidday Panamajack,
Thanks for the advice.
I think I'll be in Cali awhile by all the good reports that I read here.
I've got plenty of time, about 2 months this trip and also I can come back. I must return to Aussie for a couple of months to finish a few things and then I can go back to Cali if things turn out O.K.
I also would like to see Rio and S.P. in Brazil and B.A. in Argentina but only just a quick look.
I want to spend most of my time in Cali, improve my spanish, which is only a few words, enjoy there food but most of all find Miss Universe to care for my every need in life !!, just take it a day at a time. Maybe go to the coast.
Yes Panamar, I'm looking for a traslator and tour guide but I think Antifreeze maybe has someone for me, I'll check with him first.
Yes I will check out Chipichape Mall.
Accomidation, midrange to cheep hotel or find a Colomian family to live with. I think that would be the way to learn spanish, enjoy the food, culture ect. Any suggestions Panamar !
Muchas gracias Senor Panamajack. por favor if you have any other hints and time to write to me please do, I need all the advice I can get mate.
Regards,
aussie greg
[QUOTE]Originally posted by panamajack
[i]Hello aussie,
I totally agree with Antifreeze book a hotel before you set foot in cali at least for one night, believe me you don't want to be walking around Cali at night with your luggage, you become a target right away.
I've stayed at the intercontinental a few times nice hotel but over priced, if thats your cup of tea its a fine hotel. Also stayed at the Windsor plaza wonderful hotel very good service, a bit cheaper than the inter but a alot more intimate, only negative is that its in the north, not alot to do at night becomes desolate. Really it depends on what you want, how long are you going to be in Cali, how much do you want to spend.
About translator, most nice hotels provide translator at a substantially higher rate than a individual translator but at least you know your not going to be jerk around. I wish, I was in Cali for that time, a have a good friend thats a english professor real nice guy and at that time there on summer vacations so his got the time to earn a little money. Good luck Aussie and don't fall in love with the first beatiful girl that smiles at you, take your sweet time and enjoy.........oh also please take the time to go to Chipichape mall on the weekend you will never forget it, God I know I dind't. [/i][/QUOTE]
Hi Antifreeze
I am coming to visit Cali for about 4 days.
Would you recommend this place. It looks decent, homey, and inexpensive. How is the location?
http://www.partres.com/hostalclo/
Hello guys,
Guys a nice place to stay at, in Cali is this aparthotel called RAYDA, very nice place, I paid $150.00 usd. for two weeks, I've also stay there for 3 month straight. The great thing about this place is location, right across the street from the Intercontinental & the Dann. The very best and safest neighbourhood in Cali even at night. The rooms are all suites apartments, very nice rooms, they have housekeeping every day no problems whatsoever. I hope this helps a little, good luck.
here is a link to hotels/accomodations in cali and included you will find information on the RAYDA that panama jack mentions below
http://www.partres.com/hotel/cal.html
I've been to Cali so many times as a turist, and my best choice as for hotel stays Hotel Casa del Alférez (Avenida 9N 9-24 Juanambú, phone 661 8111).
They have a resonable price, have a Colombian touch to their room, and are even cheaper during the weekends. If you feel like something romantic, book one of their 3 suites (2 rooms with a Jacuzi). It will be lower than $100USD per night during the weekend.
Thanks Guys.
I appreciate the hotel tips.
Rayda sound good, but they do not seem to have a web site. I will call them and book a week. Is it $75 a week?
Hola Panamajack,
Yes I think Aparthotel Rayda is the way to go for me to Panama, do you have a address to contact them mate or a telephone number por favor.
Another question, do you think $25 US is a average price for a guide ? or am I paying to much.
Do you have the telephone number of your teacher friend in Cali !!
All the best, adios.
Aussie Greg.
QUOTE]Originally posted by panamajack
[i]Hello guys,
Guys a nice place to stay at, in Cali is this aparthotel called RAYDA, very nice place, I paid $150.00 usd. for two weeks, I've also stay there for 3 month straight. The great thing about this place is location, right across the street from the Intercontinental & the Dann. The very best and safest neighbourhood in Cali even at night. The rooms are all suites apartments, very nice rooms, they have housekeeping every day no problems whatsoever. I hope this helps a little, good luck. [/i][/QUOTE]
so what would you recommend I do in Cali besides the abvious?
I have 4 days.
What should I not do?
BUENAS Guys,
Alright this is the telephone number I got from a page online, APARTAHOTEL RAYDA tel. (572)892-4202 from the U.S. dial 011. also (572)892-4204.
Antifreeze I got a question for you, have you ever being to ESCOCIA bar? is near the DANN, I used to walk to that bar often late at night, once I brought 3 girls up to my apartahotel for a all nighter, great pussy some of the best I've ever had. If I recall the name of the 3 girls where yesenia maria, paola, and yolanda. I got the tel. number of yesenia maria but since I haven't been to Cali since about 1 year I don't know if she is still working.
Assuie about my friend I'm going to attempt to contact him before hand to see if he would be interested in translating for you. If so I'll email you his tel. number alright.
About the girls that I met in ESCOCIA, I used to see them saturday morning exercising at las tres cruces, I really coulnd't speak to them because I use to be with my girlfriend but it was fun seen this beauties in their tight exercise outfit walking up the hill made me sick, walking up that hill with a hard on, Only in Cali baby.......
Gracias Pamama in advance. ( in aussie, thanks mate !! )
Gidday guy's.
I carnt speak Spanish.
I carnt dance Salsa. (football injures)
I dont give a fuck about their government and country problems.
But I'm giong to Cali to find me Miss Universe, maybe a few of them!
I can't wait to the middle of June.
Aussie.
What is the weekly or daily rate at APARTAHOTEL RAYDA tel. I called them, and the guy told me it was $75 a day. Must be my bad Spanish. Anyone knows the weekly rate?
Hey PanamaJack, do you live in panama?
panamajack,
I've never been to ESCOCIA. It sure seems interesting and I'll make sure to pay them a visit.
Aussie Greg,
I was not able to find any trusworthy translator for you. Sorry, you'll have to look through other channels. I'd say that when you'll arrive in Cali, just come north. There are plenty of English teaching companies. Have them propose someone to you. I'd stay away from the newspaper for that since some distorted colombian may want to prey on you...
Hello guys,
My MAN I think that there trying to stick you with what I like to call gringo pricing. This is what you do in this cases tell them when you call, that you have a good friend that recommended this place and that your friend paid $300,000 colombian pesos for a two week stay. tell them to quote you in colombian peso. If I'm not mistaken $300,000 colombian pesos equals to about $145.00 U.S. Dollars. They are really trying to bull shit you, typical colombian business practice. Move on if they don't cut that price by half per day.
About if I live in panama? I'm in the process of moving to Panama this summer, I'm in the states know. I travel to Panama often, I just bought an apartment in Panama city, looking foward to living in the tropics once again, been about 45min by flight from cali. I'm as much a panamanian as an american.
Also Aussie, are you going to try the marriage agencies? do you have any info. on a good agency in Cali?. If I'm not mistaken TLC worldwide is having there tour june 26 at the intercontinental. Has anybody attended this tour? sounds pretty nice, they send me there promotional video shot mostly in cali wow.......
Just booked a last minute trip to Cali for this memorial day weekend. Have not yet picked a place to stay but I would appreciate any recommendations on hotels in the safest part of town. If anyone will be in town and would like to get together, let me know. While I have been to Buenos Aires 3 times this year I don't know much about Colombia other than the rampant tourist warnings, but I'm willing to see for myself. While I have gone back and read the previous posts, any additional tips would be welcome. Thanks
Hola Panamajack,
No I didn't know that TLC was having their tour in Cali, I arrive in Cali on the night of the 26th but I might bring it forward a few days or a week because I've finished all my imporntant work now on the farm, the sooner the better for me to start traveling.
I do have a guy in Cali to look after me now and he is lining every thing for me, he is organising me a room in a house with a group of University girls !!!! Ive talked to him on the phone a few times. I got his name and telephone number from another Americain guy that used his servise and raved about it so I'm giving him a go. I teach the girls english and they teach me spanish and supply me food and accomidation, and a few other things !!!, they look after me, they are all studying to be Dentists and one that I'm really interested in has done modeling, is tall, slim, long back hair, shit I better stop, Ive got another month to wait !!!!
Gracias Panamar, adios
Aussie.
QUOTE]Originally posted by panamajack
[i]Hello guys,
My MAN I think that there trying to stick you with what I like to call gringo pricing. This is what you do in this cases tell them when you call, that you have a good friend that recommended this place and that your friend paid $300,000 colombian pesos for a two week stay. tell them to quote you in colombian peso. If I'm not mistaken $300,000 colombian pesos equals to about $145.00 U.S. Dollars. They are really trying to bull shit you, typical colombian business practice. Move on if they don't cut that price by half per day.
About if I live in panama? I'm in the process of moving to Panama this summer, I'm in the states know. I travel to Panama often, I just bought an apartment in Panama city, looking foward to living in the tropics once again, been about 45min by flight from cali. I'm as much a panamanian as an american.
Also Aussie, are you going to try the marriage agencies? do you have any info. on a good agency in Cali?. If I'm not mistaken TLC worldwide is having there tour june 26 at the intercontinental. Has anybody attended this tour? sounds pretty nice, they send me there promotional video shot mostly in cali wow....... [/i][/QUOTE]
Hey PanamJack.
It would be intersting to hear your story.
I also moved from the US, and have been living in Panama City for the past 2 years.
I am slowly learning Spanish, and do understand the condept of Gringo prices. They do the same here in Panama.
Send me a note when you get in town, and perhaps we could get together.
Hi Antifreeze,
I have been quoted 70,000 per day to board at a Colombian family home in the east of Cali city, they feed me and generaly look after me. They also have a son and daugther who will show me around. I think it is the best way to learn spanish is just to be put in a situation where you must, they have many friends who know friends and they know I'm looking for a girlfriend with view to marriage if all goes well. I think I will go with this for a week or so and just takle it as it comes, I can change it if it doesnt work out.
What do you think Freeze, is this price to much or should I do it all my self !!, waiting for your advise and comments, regards
Aussie Greg.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]panamajack,
I've never been to ESCOCIA. It sure seems interesting and I'll make sure to pay them a visit.
Aussie Greg,
I was not able to find any trusworthy translator for you. Sorry, you'll have to look through other channels. I'd say that when you'll arrive in Cali, just come north. There are plenty of English teaching companies. Have them propose someone to you. I'd stay away from the newspaper for that since some distorted colombian may want to prey on you... [/i][/QUOTE]
Gidday Panamajack and Antifreeze,
Change of plans, I'm boarding with a Colombian family now. Still meeting the Dentist girls.
Yes, I've been lined up with a young "garota", 20 years old, 1.76 cm, yes tall for Colomabian girls so I have been told, learning to be a Dentist, ex model, from good family ect !!.
I've got a man in Cali called Ramon, met him by looking at CH board from a guy called Batman's post. Ramon is doing all the running around for me, he'll be at the airport to pick me up on the 13 June, yes the 13th, I've changed it from the 26th June. After what Ramon told me about the little sweetie that he has for me I went and changed my flight details.
Ramon seems not a bad guy on the phone and speaks very good english, I'm his first "aussie" that he looking after and all he wants from Australia is a Aussie football jumper !! plus cash for his servise of course !!!
O.K., thats all for now, if there are any changes I'll let you guy's know. This trip will be interesting !!
Regards, gracias, adios.
Aussie Greg.
HELLO GUYS,
MAN, a little about me; U.S. military dad, panamanian mom, I move to the U.S. when I was 14, finally return for a visit after I finish college, loved it, so many beautiful girls, different atitude than american girls. So I traveled to panama often, met some of the most beautiful girls that I've ever seen in my life most of them colombian pros. and non pros. Last year help my uncle when he retired move back to panama from the states, this man now is having the time off his life, He told once he fucks more beautiful girls in a month in panama than I do in a hole fucking year living in the states!! lucky fucking bastar.
So know after alot of hard work I'm able to make the move this summer, I would love to get in touch have some drinks, I speak spanish like native, know the culture and the custom I think I'm going to enjoy panama. Hopefully I can travel to cali and other places often from panama city.
Aussie, yes TLC is having a tour for that time in cali, I'm glad you found some help sounds great. What part of town is the house in? I think thats a great idea having somebody to take care of you that also knows the city, nice going Aussie. I hope you enjoy Cali as much as I did, Cali will always be in my agenda good luck guys....
Panamajack and Man. I have been going to Panama City once a month for awhile. It is my favorite place to monger. I like both the Colombian pros and the Panamanian semis. Every trip I come back barely able to walk. I will be in Panama City on June 4-7. Let's meet up spmewhere for some cervesas! My e-mail is DouglSchan@aol.com.
for Aussie Greg,
Sorry to butt into your conversation here but it seems to me you've got a good deal ... staying with a family in Cali. I did that when I first came to Colombia too.
I have visited Cali many more times since and now live about half the month in Medellin and half in Miami for work.
Being with a family and getting to know them and their friends is invaluable ... especially if you don't speak much spanish. You will meet and make a lot of friends, girls and guys a lot faster this way.
Colombians are very friendly people and generally love "gringos" especially if you're a friendly person too. Once word gets out that you are staying at this family's house, everyone will want to meet you. That was my experience.
I'm just a normal "gringo" and I had girls quarreling over me. Great experience.
My guess is that you will love your time in Cali and meeting all these Colombianas and a weeks time won't be enough. Make sure this family introduces you to Ave Sexta on the weekend and Chippichappe mall.
The only drawback staying with this family is if you want to bring a pro or other girl home for fun, could be tough ... but you can always visit one of the many "casas" for in-house service if needed.
Also, for future, Medellin is fantastic too. Check out my report on Medellin ... I personally like it better than Cali (to live in) ... but Cali is GREAT.
Have fun!! Start learning Spanish ... opens a lot of doors and it doesn't have to be perfect or even close to it.
For Aussie Greg again,
70,000 pesos is a lot of money for most Colombians per day ... you could definitely get a hotel room and go at it solo if you wanted but if i were you ... as i put in my last report, i'd do the family thing first. You will meet and make so many more friends faster .... you can stay at a hotel and go solo next time.
For about $25 dollars US a day, they will appreciate the money and you will have a great, inexpensive introduction service ... way better than the professional marriage agencies which are expensive and unnecessary if you do what you're doing.
I unconditionally agree with Ricker's last 2 posts regarding your potential stay in a family Aussie Greg. 70000 pesos per day is a lot of money, do not feel shy to negociate. On the other hand, it's the way to visit Cali. You'll have a good time. Even more on the weekends when one or many of those will pick a guitar and Aguardienten will start to flow. There's no price for those unprogramed events...
Enjoy, you seems to be in control in order to get a great trip.
Hi Guys,
Muchas gracias Anitfreeze and Richer,
I didnt know if I was doing the right thing with the family, since I have not been to Cali, Colombia or South America. I was only doing the best I could, I'm glad for both of your imput and are looking forward very much to meeting Colombian people !! ( the good ones !! ) and reporting back to WSG.
I have just e-mailed back to my agent and asked for a discount on the 70,000 pesos even before I read your responce Freeze this morning, I'll see what they say. I have been going on the prices on the board here on Hotels.
Richer, yes if I find need to find a hotel for a quicky then the short time places are the way to go.
O.K. guy's, thanks alot. Arrive in Cali the 13 June 2003, its a bloody long way from the West Coast of Australia, 3,5 hours to Sydney, 14 hours to L.A. then 4.5 hours to Miami then 4,5 hours to Cali with out all the waiting in between the flights. I'm not looking forward to the flight's only whats at the end of them !!!!
Regards Aussie Greg.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by antifreeze
[i]I unconditionally agree with Ricker's last 2 posts regarding your potential stay in a family Aussie Greg. 70000 pesos per day is a lot of money, do not feel shy to negociate. On the other hand, it's the way to visit Cali. You'll have a good time. Even more on the weekends when one or many of those will pick a guitar and Aguardienten will start to flow. There's no price for those unprogramed events...
Enjoy, you seems to be in control in order to get a great trip. [/i][/QUOTE]
Aussie Greg,
I know Ramon and I can tell you that he is an upstanding guy. Batman got his name from my initial Cali report which I filed a couple of years ago on TSM, WSA, and other websites.
Tell Ramon his amigo from Chicago says hi!
Gidday Zippy,
Thanks very much about the news on Ramon, when your traveling half way round the world to a hot spot and relying on people you have not met before its good to know other peoples view's, muchas gracias.
The next time on the telephone talking to him I will say your name, and you say hi to him.
Ramon already has the girls lined up for me.
Thanks again Zippy. regards
Aussie Greg.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Zippy
[i]Aussie Greg,
I know Ramon and I can tell you that he is an upstanding guy. Batman got his name from my initial Cali report which I filed a couple of years ago on TSM, WSA, and other websites.
Tell Ramon his amigo from Chicago says hi! [/i][/QUOTE]
Ok guys, I am just finishing my trip in Cali.
I have been here for 4 days, but I think I got the jist of it.
I have to say, I was disspointed. Being from Panama, I can tell you that Cali while a much bigger city did not impress me.
Although nothing happened to me, you get the obvious sense that everybody is on guard.
When it comes to the quality of the in house places, it was a frightening experience. Dirty and cheap sums it up real good.
After one bad experience, I lost all desire to go on. I took a look at other places, but they are all the same. If I wanted to have sex with the employda, than I may try it. Most girls that I saw were 5-6.
You should come to Panama City and visit Golden Time. Not only does the place offer gorgeous Colombian babes, but at least it is clean and dignified.
Calli is an interesting and one might say a beautiful city, but to say that Cali has the most beautiful girls around is simply not the case.
I think you see many more babes in the US, than you see in Cali. Most girls look alike, and the Latin look gets boring after awhile.
Anyhow, I feel I have learned my lesson. The next time I read reviews, I may want to ask who wrote them. I would much rather pay $100 and have great sex, than pay $20, and throw up later.
Sorry, but I had to vent.
HELLO MAN,
Hey where exactly did you go while in Cali? did you know anything about the city other than what you saw on this page. Cali is not a traditional vacation destination. Its been about a year since I've been to Cali but men as I remenber, Cali was the shit when it came to beautiful girls. I'm from panama and I know about all the colombian girls working in panama, panama its great no dout about it, but in my opinion colombia has much more girls than in panama. I guess maybe if you new someone in cali that could have shown you around it would have been much better. I think most girls in cali don't party like in panama, most get together with friends and have house party, they go to places you would never go. Thats what I notice while in cali with my girlfriend, her female cousins very rearly went out because there was no money or it was unsafe. Oh well sorry about your trip MAN
Oh MAN how much did you pay for your flight from panama to cali?
I think Man needs to get his eyes checked.
First of all, I know for a fact that most of the Colombianas who end up in the brothels of Panama and Costa Rica are the hard-core type who "graduate" to these countries usually after working for years in the brothels of Cali, Cartagena, Barranquilla, Medellin, etc. So to say that the Colombianas in Panama are better is crazy since you are dealing with the same chicas! That is, except for the fact that you're getting ripped off at US $100 a pop.
I think Man needs to find out where to go before making such gross generalizations about Cali. He basically explained that he gave up "after one bad experience." Jesus, dude, have you traveled much- obviously not! You've never had a bad experience in Panama???!! *****houses are like a box of chocolates...
And I think comments such as the following bring "Man's" credibility into SERIOUS question:
"Most girls look alike, and the Latin look gets boring after awhile."
Well, why the HELL are you visiting South America if you don't like the "Latin look"???? And what the heck are you doing in Panama??? Move to Europe or better yet, go for an overweight, pasty-white, American *****.
And his most hysterical quote of the day:
"I think you see many more babes in the US, than you see in Cali."
If you're talking in quantity, you are right since the US is obviously a much bigger country. But percentage-wise?? I'll take an "average" girl from Colombia (or almost anywhere else in the world for that matter) before I take an "average" American girl.
There are literally 1000's of casas in Cali and to make such generalizations about Cali after a 4 day trip is just absurd. Next time, go there with someone who knows the city instead of aimlessly running around and more or less, giving up after one bad experience.
Did you even try to go to a non-pro disco??
I too just returned yesterday from my 4 day jaunt down to Cali. I will post a detailed report in a little bit when I get some time. While I have been to Buenos Aires 3 times since September I really knew nothing about Colombia. While I still don't know a whole lot I can tell you this, the Colombian women were some of the most beautiful women I have ever laid my eyes upon. I'll give you a first timers take on Cali probably later tonight but I felt compelled at this time to respond.
Hey guys,
I totally agree with zippy and slick about comparing colombian chicas with american females, even here in the states colombian girls had a reputation for been beautiful, especially in houston men I've seen some girls that stop traffic and come to find out there colombian girls living in houston from cali.
I have nothing against american women some of them are beautiful it really has to do with attitude, most american women that I've encounter don't have a positive attitude toward men in general don't know why thats not the case for latinas. oh well thats my two cents.... I'm glad to here from guys that really enjoy cali, maybe if we can keep low key, it won't turn into rio, BA, costa rica, or panama I hope it never does.
This report is simply meant to be a first time Cali visitors impression. After only 4 days in the city and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor command of the spanish language, I believe I merely scratched the surface of what this town has to offer. Others on this board will have a lot more to offer in terms of advice, but here goes anyway...
Panama, I really don't think this post or anything we say can ever turn Cali into a hot tourist destination but maybe a little larger influx of capitol spending from some of the more adventurous mongers may help keep those beautiful Calenas at home rather than having to run off to Panama and the like. Actually from having met many of my Buenos Aires board bretheren I don't think you would be too offended by thier arrival. Avery classy group of professionals if I say so myself. I will keep my post as honest as possible.
It was with an overwhelming sense of excitement and fear that I boarded AA 920 out of Miami last Thursday afternoon. My imagination was working overtime conjuring up visions of the oft rumoured Calena vixen interspersed with myself being held captive in a rebel guerilla camp. With no time to plan and little knowledge of the city I didn't know whether I was heading for the candy store or the shooting gallery. The fact the plane was only about 1/3 full made me question again my Memorial Day Weekend choice of destinations. Oh yeah, the commercials for the new documentary about the capture of Pablo Escobar, which played numerous times on the airport TV, did little to ease my sense of apprehension. When these ads did play, I did sense some looks of disgust from the obvious Colombian passengers. Much akin to the look us Italians would give when endless stories of the mafia are aired. I guess its tough to shake the worlds misguided impressions when all they see and hear is of the worst a country has to offer. And with that I was off.
After reading several of the past posts on this board I had decided upon the Dann Carlton as my choice of lodgings. Through the Dann website I emailed my reservation request and heard back shortly thereafter from the corporate VP that an agent would be getting back to me shortly about my plans. Well at least thats what I thought it said but as I already mentioned, my espanol es muy malo. With no time left to wait for a response I headed off knowing my confirming reservation and airport pickup request was a mere formality and the email would be recieved in my absence.
The flight was great. One movie and an episode of Everyone loves Raymond and we were starting our descent. Much more pleasurable than the 8 1/2 hours from hell I was used to with my trips to Buenos Aires. And the stewardesses, who I percieved to be Colombianas, were very nice and cute to boot
Nice landing and short taxi to the terminal and were here. Hmmm, its was about 9pm, since we left late, and the airport here seems pretty much deserted. One other small jet on the tarmac and us. Very dark outside and the terminal itself, empty and not well lit. But then as I say my goodbyes and step out the door of the plane its my first Calena who looks me square in the eyes, smiles and says "buenas". I soon learned that this was the typical Colombian greeting, no matter whether it was dias or noche.
Off to immigration we march to where a single file line forms. It was here that I was glad the plane was 2/3 empty since the line moved very slowly and of course I was near the end. I reach the desk and when I tell him I'm American he takes my passport into the back but returned a few minutes later. What was that all about I wondered, but with the armed guards watching me closely I just continued on to the tax exempt desk(?) and down to baggage claim. In Baggage claim the National Police were out in force and I was told to go to numero cuatro for inspection. I was told to open my bag, but what the heck, so was everyone else. They did not ask me to open my camera bag and more importantly my accessories kit. For it was there amongst the copious volume of condoms that the true purpose of my visit existed. Zipper back up the bag and out the door.
Outside there were people waiting for arrivals but a short distance beyond, the darkness loomed. 2 more cute Calenas look me direct in the eye and smile. I could get used to this I thought to myself. Okay, so where is the driver from the hotel holding the sign with my name. Short walk back and forth to the edge of darkness confirmed in my mind that maybe I should have waited for my confirming email. Oh well, I can just stand here looking more and more like the lost tourist or I can hop in that cab, act like I know what I'm doing, and hope for the best. So I hopped and hoped.
We were off into the darkness. Windows open, no a/c, and dashboard lights that continually faded to darkness despite the drivers best efforts at keeping them illuminated. The road to Cali is a dark one my friends. With each car coming up behind us flashing his lights, I didn't know whether the signal was to move over because we were going too slow or the drivers friends had arrived and I was the next statistic. Driving along with no street lights there was not much to see, but there was a smell that lingered in the air. Can't quite put my finger on it but it seemed to be a cross between barbequeing meats and the sweet pungent aroma of rotting fruits and garbage. After about 15 minutes in the dark we clearly were approaching civilization and the edges of the city. Now I could see more, but this city is not all that well lit either. To give you an example, it seemed to me that the tallest building in Cali was a rather tall building with 3 crosses brightly lit on top. And as it turned out, right across from my hotel. Now you frequent visitors to Cali know that there is no tall building with 3 crosses on top, but a first timer like me had to wait for the sun to rise before I realized, after looking out my hotel window, that it was a mountain on which the crosses were perched, and not a building. For my friends from the Argentina board, I knew I wasn't in Recoleta anymore Toto.
There truly is no comparison between the cities of Cali and Buenos Aires with the exception that they both have a lot of taxis and beautiful women. To compare the two is to like compare the Salsa with the Tango. Steamy, hot, and sexy or do you like smooth, suave and sophisticated. I personally like both and appreciate the differences.
So I arrive at the Dann Carlton knowing in the back of my mind that since there was not a car waiting at the airport, there probably was not a room waiting at the front desk either. Nice hotel. Well, at least the lobby was nice, since as you may have already guessed I didn't get to see the rooms since there was no reservation and no rooms available. Between prayers that I wouldn't be sleeping in the park across the street on the banks of the river Cali, the front desk man graciously called the Intercontinental for me and got me a room. And the rate he got me was about 30 dollars cheaper than the best rate for the same room on the internet. So if you have a friend in Cali, have him call and make your reservation. The english speaking bellboy walked me across the street and with the money I was saving I got a suite at the Inter. for 90 dollars a night. Breakfast included. Nice hotel, nice pool, and a very nice suite. As an aside, breakfast was great. Between the 11 different fresh squeezed juices, buffet of eggs, melted queso, fruits,breads, carne, and ohh those continuous refills of fresh Colombian cafe con leche, this was my favorite meal of the day.
Continuing,went up and took a quick shower and headed back down for I didn't head this far to sleep alone. Asked the girl at the front desk where a good bar was and she went outside and found her taxi driver friend Carlos. Taxi drivers at the Inter. go thru an interview process to be allowed to pickup passengers at this hotel. Guarantees safety and a good car. Other taxis can drop you off there but only their approved drivers can gain access past security to wait for a fare. Carlos was great. Wish I spoke better spanish to converse with him. Always had a smile and since I am a big tipper he was always eager to help me with my next days travel plans. Since I was alone I always had him come in the chica bars and houses with me. Felt safer with a local and I didn't really have to twist his arm to hard. First night he knew right off what I wanted and he took me to Flores de Fresca. At least amongst the cab drivers, this was the best spot for girls in Cali. I don't know because my explorations were limited but I can say I was truly impressed by the quality of the girls. Damn were they sexy in their low slung hip hugger jeans and bare middriffs. I believe actually that this clothing ensemble is the official uniform in Cali for all girls 13 thru 30. Guys from the BA board, this scene is vastly different than the clubs surrounding Recoleta, but since its getting late I think I will sign off now and continue with my first Cali Chica adventure tommorow.
BUENAS everyone
I was in Cali last year for 5 weeks. The most active place at night is La Zona Rosa. In fact, I think every city in Colombia has a tourst section called La Zona Rosa. The bar owner or manager will flag down a girl if you ask him to. Although I was rolled twice, once at gunpoint, I did have a good time. Spanish is easy to learn and Colombian women are the most beautiful of all latin women; I believe even more so than in Brazil. But, not everything is as it appears. Colombia is the capital of the marriage agency. Since night time is so dangerous, the best way to meet someone is through an agency. The foreigner pays. She does not. The biggest one going is the meetings held at Hotel Incontinental. Its $1,000 plus for the dumbest of men but the veterans will sit in the lobbie. After 5 weeks, a Colombian city can get boring because you are so limited where you can travel because of the extreme danger there. I couldn't even get a cabbie to take me to the country in fear he would loose his cab to an attacker. The best looking women seemed to come from Medallin.
Gidday board,
Nice report so far SLICK1, looking forward to your further reports.
Aussie Greg.
slick1, can't wait for you to finish your report. Having visited Cali once before, in 1999, it will interesting to hear current impressions. Just for your information, 'buenas' or 'muy buenas' without any addition of dia, noche, etc, is quite common in lots of places in Latin America right now, just like 'porfa" instead of the complete 'por favor' is as well, as a slang term, not in formal conversation. Will be watching for the rest of your story...
Cali, part 2
Just got back from my local tapas bar. Had to get a small dose of Latina to get me thru the day. One cute Colombiana works there but alas I sense she has already become somewhat Americanized. Please excuse the rest of the report as it will probably be influenced to some degree by the pitcher of sangria I just finished.
Ok, so where did I leave off. Allright , Carlos and I just arrived at Flores de fresca. Not far from the Hotel Intercontinental but if you don't know the scene , you will never find it. Believe me, Cali is dark. Passed some streetwalkers on the way, along the river, but Carlos tells me these are transvestis. I'll take his word for it.
We pull into a dark gravely driveway and park the cab. Flores appears to be a 2 story house with no telltale signs from the outside that this is a club. There are several guys at the archway, which passes as the entrance, and they say it is 15000 pesos to get in. I guess that is @ 5-7 dollars depending on the exchange rate. The hotel was giving 2500 pesos to the dollar even though the official rate was probably more like 2900. I pay for the 2 of us to get in and we head thru the door. But first we are frisked. This was the first of about 20 times I was frisked on this trip, that is if you don't count the chicas ! Actually, my 2nd time at Flores the lights came up and 4 members of the Nacional Police came in and frisked everyone and searched behind and under all the seats for weapons. After seeing these hot chicas, I hoped what I was toting in my underwear would not be mistaken for a 357 magnum.
Well back to the trip. Up about a flight of stairs we come to a rooom with a stage in the middle and a good amount of Colombian guys seated around the perimeter of the room. This is not Madahos my fellow BA mongers but rather, not much more than the barebone minimum in decor. There is a low platform rectangular stage in the middle but not much else. Well except for the 30 or so beautiful chicas dancing in their low slung hip huggers and halter tops. Wow ! These girls are hot. And I thought the Brazileras had the market cornered on great asses. They can also gyrate those hips like I have never seen before. I think I am the only gringo in the joint, but who cares. Several of the more aggressive girls start to vie for my attention and I realized it would not be an easy choice. After a few songs of dancing with the hip huggers and halters, the jeans all come off. Several minutes later and the tops vanish as well. Hot, Hot, Hot!!!
And then, they are gone. Don't despair my friends for it is not the end but merely time for the lesbian show. Now I witnessed the lesbi show at Nuevo Estilo in BA. Amatuers pure amatuers, but aqui, strap on central here we cum. The way these girls pounded away made me somewhat envious of their skills. After its was over they will ask for a tip, but 1-2000 pesos should easily suffice. If you are not seated with a good vantage point initially, do not despair because these girls will move to all parts of the stage to insure all get a good look. I was told later on from my chica friend that all the girls are required to perform the lesbi show but there are only 2 a night. It is up to the management which 2 girls get picked to perform. Along with the lesbis, there are 1 or 2 other girls that do perform a striptease but it pales in comparison. By the way, this is the only place that I ever payed a cover charge in Cali, but I was told that this is the only place that puts on a show.
So, it was not long before Valentina started to put the moves on and park herself in the seat next to me. She was hot, but I felt like she was a little too agressive. Besides I was not yet ready to choose. I also don't really remember what the prices were that they were quoting, but this is the most expensive club in Cali as far as i am aware. I get the feeling they specialize in gringo pricing, but my chica says the Colombians pay the same price. They do have rooms on premises and I think the price for an hour with a girl is somewhere between 100,000-200,000 pesos. Don't hold me to this as I never did use the rooms there. One thing I liked over BA is that the scene starts much earlier here and the clubs close at 2 am. Many of the girls will tell you to wait until 2 and you will not have to pay the barfine which at Flores was 70,000 pesos the time I took my girl out.
After about 1 1/2 hours Carlos and I left. I think Carlos thought that I felt the prices were too steep, but rather I merely wanted to see a little more of the Cali scene. We went to a place fairly close to Flores but I don't know the name. Looked like a little house from the outside with I believe a sphinx painted on the wall over the entrance. Inside it was pretty grungy but they had about 30 girls. Once you sit down the word goes out and one by one the girls come up to you and either kiss your cheek or shake your hand and introduce themselves. Since I was tired I knew I should choose and when I saw a beautiful butt across the room in a little bikini, I selected. She was a 19 year old sweet little girl whose name I do not remember. 80,000 pesos for the whole night with 40,000 as the barfine. What was that, about 27 dollars for a night of sex with a cute 19 year old. She was very nice and sweet and we had a good time. She left early the next morning and I went down for breakfast. Hey the sex was good but you don't want to miss breakfast. Did I mention the Cafe con Leche.
You know, it is late and the Sangria really is clouding my senses. I will finish this report manana. Adios
Awesome reports Slick!! I'm sorry we didn't meet when I was in BA during April!! Now I'm itching to go to Cali!! Hey, did you get the impression that lighter skinned gringos (like me and Jackson) are more at risk in Cali? Maybe I can meet you down there one of these days!! All the best, HAPPY.
Happy
Except for a little bit of a tan, I myself am a light skin gringo. In no way do I believe the locals ever mistook me for one of thier own. Judging by the sizeable police and army presence in Cali, I have to believe they are there for a reason and that everyone is at risk. From what I hear it is the wealthier Colombians most at risk. I don't know if this is true but I was told that only one American was ever abducted and was set free the next day. The dangers are real, but likewise if you make the wrong turn in Miami or Newark the same dangers exist. I always took precautions, but I really never felt threatened. I really enjoyed the Colombian people and felt that although they may appear a little rougher with their darker features, they may have been even more hospitable and friendly than the portenos. Actually I just purchased the complete Pimsleur language set because I really felt like I was missing out by not being able to converse on a higher level with these people.
For safety purposes I believe it is probably always better to travel in numbers. I was alone but I made a quick friend in Carlos my driver and brought him in every club with me. If our schedules coincide, I would be glad to meet you down there. I was actually even considering returning around the July 4th weekend. That should give Carlos enough time to put together a whole bevy of beauties.
I'll continue my Cali report tonight.
Oh I forgot to mention that I checked my bank statement today online and confirmed that it is much more economical to just get your money out of the many ATMs in Cali. I did not see many cambios like in BA and did change my first 100 US at the hotel for 2500 pesos. This is about a 14 dollar penalty from the exchange rate thru the ATM use. Plenty of banks and ATMs in Cali including Citibank. Although there was a 200,000 limit at Citibank you simply had to just punch in your transaction several times in succession until you had what you needed. Plus its probably better to not carry a lot of cash and just get it when you need it. They say though to carry enough to satisfy any would be robber.
Hi SLICK1,
Aussie Greg here:
I'll be in Cali from the 13 June to 5 August or there abouts, might go to San Angres for a week or two with a beautifull calena but most of the time I'll be in Cali.
If you would like to meet up and go for a beer, thats no problem. I will not have a cellphone there but can give you my taxi drivers number, he will know where I'm at.
All the best,
Aussie Greg.
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[i]Oh I forgot to mention that I checked my bank statement today online and confirmed that it is much more economical to just get your money out of the many ATMs in Cali. I did not see many cambios like in BA and did change my first 100 US at the hotel for 2500 pesos. This is about a 14 dollar penalty from the exchange rate thru the ATM use. Plenty of banks and ATMs in Cali including Citibank. Although there was a 200,000 limit at Citibank you simply had to just punch in your transaction several times in succession until you had what you needed. Plus its probably better to not carry a lot of cash and just get it when you need it. They say though to carry enough to satisfy any would be robber. [/i][/QUOTE]
Cali part 3
As a point of clarification, when I refered in my last post to the darker feature of the Colombians making them appear rougher I was refering to the jet black hair and brows on the men. As well they also tend to look at you with a rather stern look as if you don't belong. I found however that a mere hello or Hola in most every case usually brought about a smile and a handshake. Simply taking the small step of breaking the ice truly revealed a very warm and hospitable people. By the way that same jet black hair and well trimmed brow on the ladies is truly what adds to the stunning beauty of many of these women. The ladies told me that they go to great lengths to always look good which includes trips to the beauty salon just about every other day for styling and manicures.Vanity is a virtue. They say there usually are just as many men getting worked on. You will notice an unusually large number of Estetica centers where everything from liposuction to teeth whitening occurs. If you have time for a little body work, Colombia might be the bargain you are looking for. It appears the women go to great lengths there to look good and it shows. While the jet black mane is incredible the women use these centers religiously to bleach that same hair on the rest of their bodies or laser it off completely. I guess you can tell I'm a bit smitten with these Calenas.
After my initial night with my 19 year old friend whose name I now remember as being Adrianna, I ate and headed out to the pool chaizes for some R&R. A few fresh squeezed Limonades and agua puras later and I was feeling much more hydrated and refreshed. Although I only laid in the sun , well actually the clouds, for several hours I did manage to get quite sunburned. Be wary of the sun here for it is strong. Of those 3 hours there really only was about 30 minutes of sun and I had a bit of a base tan to boot.
After my rest I went to the spa for a massage. 22,000 pesos for a great 1 hour massage that really hit the spot. Yes, it was a legitimate massage. Next time I think I'll hit the Esteticas for some rejuvenation work. After my massage I headed to Chippechappe. This is the mall that everyone goes to for some social interaction because it didn't seem like anyone was buying anything. Lots of outdoor stands to eat and drink and peoplewatch, for that is the true highlight of a trip to Chippechappe. Friday was not the best day but Saturday when the chicas are off work, there truly were some incredible sights to behold. Lots of staring opportunity here my friends. What really got me was the way many of the girls would stare even when they are on the arm of a man. These girls are not afraid to look you in the eye and give you the onceover. Since I was there with a girl on saturday I did not test the market but it doesn't look to difficult to meet some hot prospects.
Friday night my man Carlos showed up right on time and rang my room to let me know he was downstairs. Off to a very good steak dinner at Las dos Parillas which I believe was on Avenida Sexta. There is also a seafood restaurant attached which is also very good. Took my date there the following evening for langostinos. Both meals were excellant and I highly recommend both for food and service. Though I didn't have time to really compare many restaurants I would hazzard a guess that these were both two of the more expensive restaurants in town. The seafood was much more expensive than the Carne. My bife de chorizo was 25000 pesos or about 9 dollars for one great steak. Actually it was the bottle of champagne that doubled the bill. The seafood restaurant was about double the price of the carne side. Beautiful setting on both sides of the restaurant and if you want to take a girl to a very nice spot I don't think she'll be disappointed with either.
After the great meal it was back to Flores. Much the same ladies but probably less men on Fri. night. Had an absolute knockout sitting next to me at my table, 5'8", 19 or 20 years old,jet black hair, gorgeous face and body, and yet I couldn't take my eyes off the cute little blonde dancing on stage with the most beautiful smile I have ever seen. I found that when you have a girl with you at the table you still are fair game for all the other chicas until you actually head out the door with a girl. It seems to me that the girls actually turn up the powers of sexual persuasion a notch in an all out effort to lure you away from the girl at hand. And I must tell you it works. This little blonde vixen stole me right out of the arms of a perfect ten. Something about that smile I guess.
It was only about 11pm and I didn't want to wait till closing for my chica so I paid a 70,000 barfine and off we went. Great thing I saw with Cali as opposed to BA is that things get going much earlier here and the clubs close at 2:00 as opposed to 5:00 in BA. Many of the girls will tell you to wait until 2:00 and when the clubs close they will meet you and you won't have to pay the club. The other alternative is to use the rooms in the clubs, which I did not as I was quite content with the superior air conditioning in my suite. Thats another thing, dress light because AC is not that good or non existant. Cali has a fantastic climate however and I don't think it ever gets too bad.
Took my sweet little girl and off we went. I had a great time and the sex was great. I guess this is what you would refer to as the ultimate girlfriend experience but I don't think I ever had a girlfriend that was this good. I'm not one for really getting into the details of my sexual encounters but believe me from my first 2 girls in Colombia these girls know how to please a man. And it seems like they enjoy doing so. Since I had such a great time I told her to come by tommorrow and we would have lunch at around 1. She gave me her # and she took down the one at my hotel. She beat me to the call the following day and asked me if I planned to call. I truly did, but since I was not sure what time she got up I decided to wait. Anyway she came over and we had lunch at the pizzeria in the hotel. We had plans to hang by the pool but she forgot her bikini. Damn, and know what are we going to do. Oh well, we were forced to proceed to Plan B and make do by having sex all afternoon in my room. This included a great session in the jaccuzzi sized bathtub. Actually we alternated in and out of the tub a couple times until she left to go get ready for our night on the town.
After she left I got my daily evening call from my buddy Carlos to let me know he was here. I went down to talk and told him about my girl and that she was coming to meet me for dinner at 8 and that the 2 of us were going to go solo tonight. He seemed a bit disappointed but I said if he was around he could take us to the restaurant. 8:00 came and I went down to meet my girl. Saw her arrive in a cab looking absolutely doll like. I looked around for Carlos and did not see him so I just hopped into her cab. Gave her a kiss and I told her I was looking for Carlos. At that moment the driver turned around and lo and behold it was Carlos with a big smile on his face. He had actually gone to pick up my date and bring her to the hotel. We got to the Seafood restaurant, I think it was called something like Las girasoles, but I may be wrong. This time Carlos waited in the taxi and my date and I had a wonderful romantic dinner.
After dinner we got in the taxi and Carlos took off to destination unknown. We were about 15 or 20 minutes outside of the hotel zone in an area that made me really wonder if we were heading into rebel territory. All of a sudden we traverse a small bridge and we are in the land of the Salsa Clubs, Juanchito I believe it is called. Down the road another mile and it is Club Chango for us. This place was really happening. It is a large club with 2 big circular dance floors with tiered booth seating around the dance floors. Instead of individual drinks the thing in Cali is to buy the whole bottle and the waiter will set you up with the ice and mixes. Vodka y naranja for us. The girls here love to dance and I must say I really enjoyed watching them dance. I took a couple spins with my date but like my spanish language difficulties I am not all that proficient in salsa either. But that doesn't mean I can't truly appreciate those that are.My girl was hot, but so were most of the other female patrons. A veritable smorgasbord of sexy latinas. I don't know how a single male would do here because it did appear that most of the girls were on a date although there were a few tables of just girls. Maybe it depends on the day of the week. Naturally Salsa at the Club Chango had to be followed up with more Sexa at the Hotel Intercontinental.
I may have missed a day but I think you all get the flavor of my stay in Cali. Oh yeah one thing I forgot. On 1 free afternoon I did head over to one of those marriage agencias to see what the deal was. Since it was Sunday the regular help was not in but met a couple of nice guys who were using the service. I was pretty much curious to see if these truly were marriage agencies or another alternative to the casas or Flores for getting set up with chicas for fun. I still don't know the answer but I don't see why you would need them in Cali. To each his own but I would stick to the regular avenues.
My last evening was spent once again with my little lady. Carlos came by and we both went to pick her up. Went out for some fruitsalad con helado and then a drive to an area that looks out over the city at night. Bad thing with Cali is that the departing flights back to Miami are very early in the morning and they advise to get there a couple hours early, although I encountered no delays. But they do take their security seriously here so be prepared for long lines anyway.. Didn't even have time for one last breakfast buffet at the hotel and no mas Cafe con Leche. But there was Carlos, right on time whisking me back thru the darkness to Cali International. You know on the way back that darkness was not quite as daunting as it was on arrival. Cali was now much more to me than just the name of a cartel. I will return.
Buenas !
Slick,
That was a great report. Now you have me thinking of going.
Enjoy the life,
Moondog :)
Nice report, Slick. I think you really captured the flavor of this amazing city...
Buenas slick,
I'm too planning on been in cali at the beginning of july, looking forward to it, great report thats the cali that I remenber. I have a good friend that drives taxi in cali too, he knows cali inside out its a good way to really hit up the casas. I'm suprise that your taxi driver did not tell you about ESCOCIA its about two blocks from the Dann walking towards the river on the left hand side, a little touristy but men as many beauties as flores frescas remenber for next time. Another good spot for picking up caleņas is la avenida sexta, I pick up some beauties they also have some casas within the area good area for just haging out. Good report Slick maybe I'll cacth you on your next go around.
Aussie and Panama
If I do make it back to Cali next month I would enjoy hooking up for a beer or two. Actually there was a very good selection of regular girls at a place called La casa de Cerveza. I think they said it was fairly new and had a very big crowd inside and out. They take an approx. 6 inch wide and 3 1/2 foot long plastic tube with a spigot on it and fill it with beer and put it on your table. Whenever you are empty you can pour your own right there. There was one table of about 12 girls who were all about 18 - 20 years old and 5'9" - 6'0" tall. Dressed like and looking like supermodels. Everyone of them. Must have been another beauty contest going on. Hear they happen just about every week down there. The rest of the crowd also had many cute girls.
Panama, even though I forgot to mention it, my driver did take me to Escocia, actually I thought the name was Esconces but I was a little drunk. It was as you say only a couple blocks down from the hotels. Maybe it was just the night or time I went but the girls were well below the quality at Fresca. Many were packing quite a few extra pounds which I didn't see elsewhere. There was one very pretty girl who I made continual eye contact with but she was pretty much trapped in a booth with two guys and not likely to escape any time soon. I did really enjoy the music selection at this club and would return just to see that I just didn't hit it on the wrong day.
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Very interesting post slick1. You are a true adventurer.
I'm a Buenos Aires fanatic but I've mongered in Colombia in Cartagena, where the best chicas are from Cali. No question the calinas are really hot but the security concerns are such that overall I prefer Buenos Aires.
Anyway if you want to post further I would be interested in more comparisons of Buenos Aires to Cali.
Again thank you for sharing your experiences.
I've lived in Cali for the past 6 months. Security concerns are, I believe, way exagerated (other than the security of the status of your girlfriend that may be bumped to ex-girlfriend at any given day if you are on the weak side).
Life is great here. Every single aspect of life is just so more relax. I truly appreciated Slick's report and congratulate him for his accurate perception in such little time. Cali is a jewel, not much tourism down here, and foreigners are most often welcome as Calenos anywhere. You do not feel like a foreigner here by the way you are interacting with people.
I would highly recomend staying as far away of Flores Frescas as possible. There, you are a foreigner with those high prices. Girls are not cutter than any closed house I've been to. I've put addresses of many of them that are on 2 AV. Norte (and have more if you want). By paying high prices, you inflate the prices for all of us, which makes it thougher to get good service for a reasonable price. I rarely pay more than $30 000 pesos for complete service that is worth the girlfriend experience.
I plan to stay in Cali as long as I live. They are not bringing me back to North-America alive...
If you are affraid of Colombia, I am not angry at you. I actually thank you for being so irrational and feel that your attitude helps preserve those beautiful opportunities down here. Should there not be fear of Colombia, life would be way more expensive and streets would be filled with tourists. That is not what I want for my Cali.
Rastaman,
I sadly am in a poor position to correctly answer your question since I have not had the opportunity to travel to all those places.
It's not all about how they look though, it much more about their attitude toward sex. Cali women are opened and are looking for it, in Medellin, you'll find more Queens without Kingdoms than anywhere else. In Medellin, they are ladies... So, prostitution is not really well seen. In Cali, well, a girl has to do what she has to do to survive, and if she can't enjoy it at the same time as getting a good pay out of it, then jackpot.
I've heard that in Manizales, girls are so slutty that they can't wait to get in the sack to have sex (they'll get sex before even hitting the ground). This is only an inderect report from locals.
If I refer to prositution in this post, it's because I think that almost all women are pros as well as all men are Johns. Women are as superficial as men when they look for a wealthy man as we men are when we're looking for a cute little ass. How people perceive prostitution in an area tells a lot on how people perceive themselves (do you hide it, ignore it, enjoy it, display it or else). In Cali, it's everywhere, That is a sign of an acceptance of it that means that even nonpros are well aware of their instictive backdoors and are not denying themselves the true nature of their beings.
That is surely not the case for Medellin. I can be proven wrong (I have not been there yet), but I met so many girls from Medellin in the States to know that they are not coming from the same planet as the ones from Cali.
Manizales is a mystery to me. I've met the most stuck up girls from there. They do not even enjoy a little swearing when it's really necessary (without being vulgar, you sometimes can communicate vulgar thoughts) - in Cali, it always open a lighted discussion where you can talk about anything to anyone. With Manizales people, I've learned to restrain myself and talk about the weather since I do not believe to have the stuck up requirements to get even a conversation with them.
This is only through limited experience and high subjectivity, but the hell, you asked, I answer.
Question: how many beautiful women do you need in one day? In Cali, you'll find plenty, with the right attitude that corresponds with their body. So, who cares if there would be one or two more in another place. Sex is like money, one needs to control his appetite or he looses his grip over reality, and reality looses grip over him...
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and if she CAN'T enjoy it at the same time as getting a good pay out of it, then jackpot
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and if she CAN enjoy it at the same time as getting a good pay out of it, then jackpot
OBVIOUSLY...
Thanks for the nice detailed reports Slick1. I had some yearnings to visit Columbia last year but never went. Maybe in the future. Also, a big thanks to antifreeze who pretty much nailed it when he gave his accurate thoughts on girls.
I admire people that have the guts to just pack it all up and start a new life somewhere else. Who knows...I might do it some day. I'm sure I'll make it to Columbia on one of my adventures. All I know is it seems like it has the highest percentage of girls looking for a gringo husband. When I was on Amigos.com last year I had so many girls from Columbia emailing me. It was amazing how fast they were to give out their phone numbers, email photos and invite you over to visit the family. Of course I passed every time.
Thanks again fellas.
Saint
studplayer,
cali river varies from a fly's [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] to a raging torrent. it is not to perform aquatic sports. near cali, there is a significant lake called lago calima that can meet your purpose though. it is about 2 hours from cali, and i'm sure that you'd be able to get some chicas to go there with you and enjoy your hardware.
cali is most obviously not the right destination if you want to enjoy that on a daily basis, but lago calima. the hell, life is so cheap down here, grab a place in cali and lago calima as well.
come down and see us before you fill a container and move all your stuff. by the way, you may have some import troubles with your boat. as an example, a used car can't be imported in colombia. so, go figure if that non-sense also applies to a boat?
Just writing to say that yet another experienced World Traveler went to Cali and was smitten; it most certainly belongs at the very top of the pantheon of cities for the experienced monger with Spanish language skills. IMHO, the security concerns are WAY overblown and it struck me as much safer than MANY a city I have visited like Managua, Panama City, TJ, Lima, Rio, Sao Paulo etc
Thanks to antifreeze for his hospitality and friendship. Yo voy a volver pronto, porque Cali es Cali.
James Bond
I can't really compare BA and Cali. They are vastly different experiences. Outside of the chicas which are beautiful in both locations, when I returned home from BA the first time I was enchanted by the city. After returning from Cali the first time I think it is the people, their attitudes and culture which has me hooked. I recognize BA as a great city which has fallen on hard times and I have always sensed an undertone of sadness to their music, artwork and dance. I love their passion, from the streetside tango to the old man singing in the park. But I have always sensed some sadness amidst all the beauty. Cali to me does not have the architectural beauty of BA although there is a natural beauty to the Cuaca Valley. Its people probably have much less than the Argentinians yet I don't get that same undercurrent of sadness. I know I was infected with the BA bug after returning home and now I suffer the post Cali blues. Just today my girl in Cali left a message on my cell phone and even though I'm still not quite sure what she said, just the sound of her voice made me yearn for a return trip. I'm also infected with the Salsa bug. Downloaded a bunch off the internet. I listen over and over to The Latin Brothers singing " Las Calenas son como las flores". Download this song ! Although my Spanish is not good I'll bet this song really hits it on the head with the Cali girls. Just a feeling I get even though I'm not sure of the translation yet. Oh well, back to my Spanish lessons, next time I will be more prepared. First week in July is starting to look more and more like a reality and I would love to meet anyone else who will be there at the same time. Hopefully I can tap into Antifreezes wealth of knowledge this time around.
SLICK WILLY,
Men I know how you feel after I came back from cali I was sick, sick to my stomach not been around does beautiful caleņas. I would talk to my then girlfriend everyday but men that gets to expensive so I cut hear off, life in cali is throughtly especial, I've never in my life been treated they way this ladies in cali treated me.
I've never been to BA but I have dated girls from BA actually my cousin studied medicine in BA brought a girl back to panama got married, real beautiful girl with a nice disposition. Maybe someday after I settle in panama city, I will travel to BA but right know I'm hook on cali.
You know what hook me beside the small waist, nice asses, and beautiful faces, it was the way the girl bent over backwards to please me. Anything I wanted, I would be talking just a casual conversation about lets say fish, next day I would have a fish on my plate, anytime I wanted a beer my exgirlfriend 17 year sister would go running out the door to go buy it, they spoil me men wether it was a cousin of my ex her mother her friends men they treated me like a fucking king excuse my french.... And it wasn't just my ex and hear family. Well guys good luck and I do hope to see somebody in cali for early july chao..........
Slick, great report... I may have to visit Cali soon! Hey G, what do you think?
Buenos Guy's,
Just writing to say all is going well, leave to travel to Cali, Colombia on the 11 June ( one more week !! ) Not looking forward to the long flying time. Arrive there on the 13 June, yes two days travel from the west coast of Aussie.
Must spend a night and day in Miami, can any body give me a name of a strip club to go to to kill a bit of time. !!
Ramon my taxi driver, tour guide is waiting with the girls all lined up !!!!! for my selection !!!!.
Diana is busy in the kitchen cooking for me mmmm home cooked Colombian tucker !!!!! ( food in aussie !! ) I hope there beer is good or I'll haft to drink the hard stuff.
Will post every two to three days while I'm in Cali ( thats if the rebels let me out to a internet cafe !! )
All the best, Antifreeze remember that game of billards mate !!
Regards, gracias, adios
Aussie greg.
The trip is a definite. Will be at the Intercontinental from July 2nd thru the 6th. If anyone will be in town lets hook up for a few beers. I will be bringing a friend from Miami. My chica con la linda sonrisa has called me twice and is eagerly awaiting my return. A pool party at the hotel may be in order, cuba libres are on me!.
Leo, Antifreze,Panama Jack, and Slick.
Slick and Antifreeze , loved your reports, you know Col. very well. I spent 6 weeks in Col. last year mostly Bogota and you are correct that if you keep a low profile and keep to a few simple rules you will be safe and do just fine in Col. Iam looking to be in Cali for 1 month from the end of june till the end of july. I would love to hook up with any of you who will be done there that time of year for a few drinks and hit some night spots(first beers on me ) P.S. does anyone know if Rayda Aparthotel has a web site?
Having just returned from Medellin to work a couple weeks before going back to Colombia, I wanted to add my 2 cents in here.
First of all, SlLICK1, great report ... sounds like you're hooked on Cali too.
As for the report by MAN about Cali ... absolutely nuts. I've been to the GOLDEN TIME in Panama ... yes it has nice looking chicas, way overpriced and most "way hardened" in the business. You can have Panama ... give me Colombia anyday gracias.
I also admire and envy Antifreeze for now living in Cali ... must be nice never having to leave. I live part time now in Medellin but have to come back to the states to work every 10 days or so. I am however setting up shop in Colombia for my future early retirement ... a man can live like a king for a lot less down here. We all know that.
I also lived in Cali for a bit before meeting my "Paisa" (chica from Medellin) and subsequently moving to Medellin. I'll tell you what, they are both GREAT cities.
Cali has that great flavor about it with Ave Sexta and the way the Calenas love to be sexy.
I'll tell you though, Medellin too is a hidden treasure ... the girls are stunning. There is much more variety of looks in Medellin. You'll see beautiful light skin blondes or jet black hair all the way to Calena looking morenas to the beautiful black skin chicas. And they are very very very friendly here, especially to gringos. Gringos are a lot less common and the girls just stare at you, and with a smile and a little spanish ... you can find more girlfriends than you have time for.
As far as the pay for fun scene .... definitely not as prevalent as Cali ... BUT there are some really great places and more than i thought at first ... just not as easy as Cali. But it is GOOD too.
Please check my Medellin post for the phone nmbr of the hotel i talk about and ask for Robert or Anival, wealth of knowledge on pay for fun scene. Anival is a retired cop from Medellin.
Medellin is better for the street cafes they have, especially near the soccer stadium where you can sit and have a cerveza and smile at girls and make connections. Lots of beautiful ladies walk by about 4pm thru 7 or 8pm and til midnight on weekends. Also Medellin has a lot more malls to roam thru and search for your beautiful colombian.
Definitely the climate is way way nicer in Medellin ... an average of about 70 F to 75 F everyday ... nice and cool.
Sorry for the long report, just wanted to add my thoughts .... also to Aussie:
I also know Ramon, I'd even call him my friend. I just called him the other day from Medellin ... i meet some girls from Medellin that go to Cali for work and give them Ramon's nmbr to help set them up. Good guy ... just tell him exactly what you want ... he's got the full range from nice girls to pay for fun type.
Also, I'm going to hit Cali first on my way back down to Medellin in a couple weeks ... would love to hook up for a cerveza and share notes if you're around ... especially Anti freeze since you're a resident. Chaou
Ricker, your impressions of Medellin are very persuasive. After my return trip to Cali in July, that could be next.
It sounds like there may be a few of us in Cali during the first week of July. As the time approachs we should develop some plans for a night on the town or party by the pool.
To SLICK, RICKER, ANTIFREEZE.
Yes pool party would be great at the Inter Con between the 2nd and 6th July.
Ricker, It's good to know more about Ramon, just speaking to him on the telephone he seems a nice guy, every thing is no problem and has already 2 beauties waiting for me.
If you guys want my e-mail address it is
gr4327@yahoo.com.au
Adios amigo's
Aussie greg.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by slick1
[i]Ricker, your impressions of Medellin are very persuasive. After my return trip to Cali in July, that could be next.
It sounds like there may be a few of us in Cali during the first week of July. As the time approachs we should develop some plans for a night on the town or party by the pool. [/i][/QUOTE]
Great report Slick1! Glad to see you enjoyed your trip to Cali. I never had a chance to share with you some of my experiences from Cali when you were in BA. Heres some tips and things I noticed on my trips (4 in total) to Cali. I dont claim to be an expert on Colombian society, but offer up as my own observations and talking with other Colombian men. A lot of this stuff is geared towards chasing the amateur puss. Definitely send Ramon an email as he can hook you up with pro's and very hot normal chica's who want to meet Americans/Europeans.
For me, Cali is a little different than BA so I adapt my mongering approach. Its a little harder to find the stunners in the clubs. They are there, but not in abundance like BA. Keeping this in mind and the sheer number of hot girls milling around the streets of Cali, I spent most of my time trying to hook up with the amateur ass. If I struck out with a non-pro earlier in the night, then I would head to a strip club or pull one off the street to bang. This contradicts our thinking when in BA where we head straight for the strip clubs. As with most cities, Cali gets better the more often you go especially with the amateur scene. By my third trip, well over half the girls I banged were amateurs as opposed to 90% pros in BA and Lima.
The women of Cali are unlike any other in Colombia. Colombian dudes have told me, the Calenas tend to give it up quicker then their counterparts from other cities. Reasons being the hot weather, seductive salsa dancing, and competition from other girls. But keep this in mind Calenas are extremely jealous. I know you hear this a lot in other South American Countries/Cities. In Cali, the stakes are much higher as the girls are so beautiful and plentiful. The women are very insecure about their looks since society places such a huge emphasis on beauty. Another factor is due to the men being nearly incapable of having a monogamous relationship (can you blame them).
If possible, try to take some Salsa lessons before heading on your next trip to Cali. Foreplay is the key to success with the BA chicks, but a little Salsa/Merengue from a gringo will win the hearts of a Calena. As Im sure you found out, these girls can bang with the best of them, especially when they feel an attration to you.
On the club scene, most of the popular dance clubs in Cali play Salsa/Merengue music. These are not a good place to go looking to meet chicas as 95% come with men, their dance partner. However, take a hot girl on a date to one of the clubs you will be noticed by the other chicas and funny things can happen. I had one girl come up to me at the mall, ChipeChape, saying she saw me at the club. Next thing I know, Im taking her out to the club and breathing heavy with her later that night.
One thing I noticed about the girls, was how they carried themselves in public. Not only are they incredibly beautiful, but even how they walk and their facial expressions are seductive. If you get a chance to hang with Ramon, go to one of the local large supermarkets. Tons of single women working and shopping. One time, we cornered a hot chica shopping . We ended up getting her and her friends to party with us back at my hotel. Almost got laid, but ended up passing out since it was my last night. Another great place to go is to ChipeChape around 6:00 or 7:00pm. They have a couple of small coffee shops where many beautiful woman go to relax and chat. Again, strike up a conversation and get their numbers. These girls love to go out and party. When they start drinking, anything can happen.
I'm not sure when the TLC Worldwide party is being held (usually in either June or July), but this is a great opportunity to meet many hot hot Calena's. Like another dude posted, it's not smart to pay ($1,000US for 2 parties). Just hang out in the bar or lobby of the Inter-Continental to meet and greet. A couple of years ago, with the help of Ramon, I did just that as there were chicas everywhere. Before the end of my trip, I ended up banging 2 of the girls I'd met in the lobby who were at the party.
Lastly, I agree with you...the people in Colombia are amazing. They are very humble and always willing to help you if needed. I remember my first time in Cali. I met a kid on the plane who offered to give me a ride from the airport to save cab fare. His family treated me like a true friend and his uncle ended up showing me some of Cali's more popular attractions. Cali is one of the only cities where I dont mind meeting the dudes who live there. Its unbelievable how many women these guys know (they like pimps) and they will hook you up. I met the manager of a small club that Ramon frequents. He had a chica on both arms (his lay's for the night) and I was by myself. He and I really hit it off. By the end of the night, he offered his girls to me. Ramon and I took them back to my hotel (for a nominal fee) and banged both of them. Some of the best sex Ive ever had.
Good Luck!
Late,
Judd
Nice reports, guys! Ramon has really come along way since a met him a couple of years ago in Cali and put his contact info. in my report (assuming it is the same Ramon- middle-aged Colombian guy who used to live in New York). Can anybody verify whether this is the same Ramon?
Sounds like him...Grey haired Puerto Rican. By the way, he doesn't drink.
Hey Judd
Glad to hear from you. I wish I could have picked your brain about Cali while in Buenos Aires but at that time I never knew that is where I would end up over the Memorial day weekend. Wish I could have met Ramon the first trip but I only recieved the contact info on my last night there and plans were already made. I will shoot him off an email about my upcoming trip over the July 4th weekend. I have had quite a bit of telephone contact from the girl in Cali I spent a lot of time with the last time. She knows I am coming back and hopefully I can avoid that infamous Calena jealousy that you speak of. Don't want to hurt her either as she really is very sweet.
I also may take you up on your suggestion about the salsa lessons. Its obvious that the ability to mix it up on the dance floor goes along way with these girls.
Actually the TLC gathering ends on the day I arrive back in Cali. Maybe I'll give my taxi driver buddy a call to tell him to scope out some of the hottest ones and get their numbers. Since he is one of the approved drivers at the Intercontinental and spends much of his time waiting at the entrance, he should be able to take names.
Judd,
Yep, that's Ramon all right. He's a good guy although I haven't utilized him since my first trip. I'm pretty comfortable in Cali at this point but I might give him a call next time just to say hi.
Slick,
Concerning dance lessons- Unless you are naturally a good dancer and pick up steps quickly, I would suggest you take meringue lessons first since it is much easier to learn IMHO while for most gringos, salsa is more difficult. As long as you can do the basic steps of meringue, you're set. Just make sure you tell your chica you would like to go to a disco where they play at least some meringue as opposed to a salsa disco where they only play the latter.
Have fun! I'll be in Cartagena for a couple of weeks soon before I head over to Medellin for a week.
B.player, Ricker,
I'd be happy to hook up with you guys when you'll be in Cali. I am always interested to meet people from the North that escaped the gravity of the US (mostly people that come to Colombia are lone thinkers that do not much mind what other think, which I am one of those, and that is normally a magnificient match).
Tell me how to reach you (I don't like to put my e-mail address or else here) and we'll work something out.
Just a quick note related to visiting Cali. When you pick a date for your trip, stay away from any 3 day weekend in Cali. There are more of those in Colombia than anywhere I've been, so do your homeworks and make sure that weekends are 2 days. People in Colombia work normally 6 days a week, so having those 3 days weekends is a necessity to cool down the human machine. At first, I used to think that it was a sign of a lazy society, but I get it now that it is because of the nature of things down here. So, when one of those weekends come by, Cali is completely deserted and a sad place to be. It is a sad story when I hear about someone that only came in here for a 3 day weekend (when Colombians don't work on a Friday and Monday), and the city is plain dead! I'll try to get the dates of such weekends so that it shall help people planing to come here.
freeze
Guys, how do I contact this 'Ramon?' I will be visiting Cali for the first time this September and may want to use his services.
Headhunter2000,
I have Ramons telephone number but I must ask him if I can give it to you and or post it here on the board.
I am shore he would be looking for more gringo business. I'll call him this morning and see what he says.
Adios amigo's, see you guy's soon in Cali.
Aussie Greg.
Antifreeze, keep the beer cold mate !!!
HEY GUYS,
I remenber when I was in cali once my exgirlfriend cousin took me to this disco, they call it a "VIEJOTECA" its kind of like salsa disco but they play old classic salsa, I was amazed to see so many single non-pros sitting in large group just wanting to be ask to dance, I guess you really have to be a local to know were to hit this spots. if I'm not mistaken its in a area called la floresta vieja.
Also guys I went on a picnic trip with my then ex and her family to the outskirts of cali, if I'm not mistaken its called pance its nice but what really impress me was the amount of caleņas in g-string oh my it was unreal, one thing that you most know its that during the colombian summer they take alot of paseos, "field trips" to the rivers and so on, especially pance if you really want to go and pick up some non-pro caleņa thats a good possibility, my ex's dad pick up this hot caleņa took her up the river and fuck her, thats cali anytime anywhere. Well guys i'm moving to panama within the next two weeks if everything goes well I will see you in cali for the beginning of july.
RICKER, hi.
Have you got the two Americain guy's in Medellin e-mail address, the guy's with the Hotel, I have there telephone number, also there web page address with the girls (600)
Would like to check it out.
I'll give them a call when I'm in Cali, I'd like to go to Medellin to have a look around to, probley stay at there Hotel to.
Muchas gracias, amigo.
Aussie Greg.
HH,
Here is Ramon's contact info- ballesteros@usa.com, tele- 5133458.
Gidday guy's, yes I can confirm that this is Ramon's e-mail and his telephone number.
He is open for business.
Aussie Greg
QUOTE]Originally posted by Zippy
[i]HH,
Here is Ramon's contact info- ballesteros@usa.com, tele- 5133458. [/i][/QUOTE]
Hey guys;
A word of caution about picking up non-pros at night clubs . Let me start by saying that a good friend of mine is one of the most prominent plastic surgeons in Colombia , he works on all of the top models actresses and singers in Colombia and he informs me that large percentage of the pretty women in Col. have some type of cosmetic surgery done to them and that it is usually paid for by their boy friends which more often then not turns out to be a drug trafficker sine they are the only younger guys in Col. with any kind of money. I have met several of these guys threw my doctor friend and let me tell you this they are not to be messed with. In Col. The woman can be jealous , but the men are infamous for being jealous and crazy when it comes to their women. I have herd stories of men being shot in and outside of bars because they were to aggressive with some ones
girl. The first question I ask a chica when approaching her at a bar is if she has a boyfriend ? If her answer is yes I smile and walk away. Dont worry if you look hard enough their will always be a pretty chica that has no boyfriend and is dieing to meet a gringo. P.S. To : antifreeze , slick, and whoever else is going to be in Cali in July my E-mail is .. Gregoryanselmo@hotmail.com please contact me and let me know how to get a hold of you while your in Cali.
Peace and good fortune
Just a quick tip for planning a trip to Cali. Although I like to book online and usually get good deals by surfing the net, I beat the best internet prices by far after calling both the hotel (intercontinental) and airline (Avianca/aces) directly. Over the phone they both offered significant savings over the best internet super saver price. Avianca has many Miami offices and the Hotel in Cali did have english speaking reservationists. At the hotel I just told them what I payed the last time and they said that was fine, despite the fact the website listed the same suite for about 50 dollars more a night. Saved about 75 on the airfare. With the low volume in tourists I guess you don't get the high volume discounts we have come to expect on the web.
Slick,
How much did you pay for your plane ticket and your suit ? I live in Miami also and have not yet purchased my ticket, but I would like to know if I am getting a good deal or not.
Thanks and I am looking forward to meeting you in Cali.
Peace and good fortune
[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. [i]Thanks![/i][/size][/blue]
I am interested in traveling to Cali but I am not sure of the visa requirements to enter Columbia. Are you required to obtain a visa in advance or at the airport? Also, do the Columbian's charge for the visa and if so how much? Finally, is there an exit fee (like Thailand) to leave Columbia?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Toosh
[i]I am interested in traveling to Cali but I am not sure of the visa requirements to enter Columbia. Are you required to obtain a visa in advance or at the airport? Also, do the Columbian's charge for the visa and if so how much? Finally, is there an exit fee (like Thailand) to leave Columbia? [/i][/QUOTE]
There's a Yahoo group that's pretty good for all this stuff: ColombiaExperts. Best not to mention your hobby though unless you want to get shot down in flames by some members!
Toosh,
Assuming that you are American, you will get a 30 day visa at the airport for no fee. To exit Colombia, you will need to pay something like $15. As an outsider, this is half what Colombians pay. When you arrive in Colombia, you shyould get your exemption stamp. That is a stamp that states that you a re a foreigner and are not requested to pay the full amount as Colombians do. It's better to get this at the arrival instead of the departure since security is so tight in Colombians airport, you will want all your energy when you leave (those are tough flights)...
Hey Slick!
"At the hotel I just told them what I payed the last time and they said that was fine, despite the fact the website listed the same suite for about 50 dollars more a night. "
How much are you paying per night at the Intercontinental?
Maybe, I can make it down there over the 4th....
Happy
I'm paying $90 a night for the 2 room suite , breakfast included. If you don't want the suite the price they gave me on the reg. room the last time was $69 a night. When I called the other night it almost sounded like they would have come even lower if I was in the mood to haggle. I was satisfied with my 90 rate. The suites are nice. Hope you can make it down it sounds like there will be a few of us around. The Dann and Dann Carlton right across the street are also nice hotels.
Guys;
If I want to stay longer than 30 days, does any one know what the procedure is and what it will cost?
Guys,
Just booked my tickets to Col. will travel to Medellin on june 24 for 2 days then of to Cali on the 26th for one fantastic month in paridise. A friend from L.A. will be joiing me for part of the trip, looking forward to meeting up with any wsg members while down there
Peace and good fortune
Aussie Greg,
Is your e-mail address for Ramon still vaild? I have sent him two e-mails (ballesteros@usa.com) since your post with the contact info and have not received any response. There is a strong probability that I will be going down there in the near future and I would like to get in contact with him.
B.player
I paid $425 on Aces out of Miami. Look forward to meeting you too.
B.Player,
I used to pay for plane tickets for my mother in law to come and live with us 6 months at a time (don't worry, she's a cool dude and I love having her around), and prices sky-rocket if for more than 30 days. It used to be about $750 at the time... I don't know abput now, but who expects a break over time!!! So, sorry to be the one bringing the bad news...
You may want to consider two one-way tickets (or just use a single 30 day one which you won't use the return part and fly stand by to come back)...
All,
By the way, I keep on going to those houses, and God, they will never bring me back to the US again. Girls are just great and you can go into that boyfriend girlfriend experience pretty deep. They all have their personality and as you get closer, it's a pretty beautiful sight. As an example, I had one this week performing a pretty lengthy foot massage on me (that was after sex that included lengthy and delicious 69), and that foot massage was actually done with her thong! Man, I never thought that having my big toe sucked was that good. In the US, girls will get disgussed just thinking about a foot... Here, I got every single area on each foot massaged by a mouth for about 15 minutes... And loved every minute of it. By the way, I did not know the girl before. All that to say that the industrial age did not totally made it down here. You won't be fucked like the girl before, and she will truly show you here personality. Some are not that good (I had one that refused to throw her gum before sex and kept on eating it like a cow during sex - I don't read the newspaper as I screw you, so throw the chicklet - although she was great looking, she'll never see me again), but most of them are a delight... Bad experiences are the price to pay for the lack industralization of sex down here, I don't care because there's way more rewards...
I tell you guys, but this is our little secret, this place in here is paradise and they are not taking me out of here alive...
Antifreeze, Slick, Aussie Greg
I will be arriving in Cali on Thursday June 26 with a fellow hobbyist. We will be staying at the Hotel San Fernando, tel. # (572)556-4818, under the last name Chailaris. If any of you want to go out that night feel free to contact us there or you can e-mail me with your contact info. I left my e-mail address on a previous report. Slick I am not sure if you will be in town yet, but if you get a chance let me know how to get a hold of you at the Intercontantial hotel, a pool party sounds fun .
Does any one have info. On a good place to rent a cell phone for a month and what I should expect to pay?
I'm scheduled for my first Columbia trip, after 5 Brasil and Argentina trips in the last 12 months. Arriving 26th, 27th or 28th, and looking forward to good times and beautiful caleņas and meeting up with B.player, D, slick1, armani, and any other WSG'ers that will be in town these dates. Buenas!
B.player, leo
I won't be arriving until the evening of July 2nd with a buddy from Miami. Probably around 9:00 pm. I'll try to come up with some contact info in the mean time. I'll probably see about getting a cell phone when down there. I think they will pretty much lend you the phone and you just purchase the minutes. I think we should be able to come up with enough girls to have a pretty good pool party. I already contacted my cab driver friend to hit up a lot of the girls who will be at the hotel the week before for the TLC event. That event does seem to coincide with both of your schedules. See you in a couple weeks.
Hello guys. I'm relatively new to this part of the WSG but I'm a member of a few other sites.
I'm going to be making my first trip to Cali and am psyched! I'm reviving my Spanish in anticipation of my arrival Dec. 1.
I've appreciated the reports by slick1, antifreeze, et al.
Antifireeze, if you have a chance, I'd love to hook up when I'm in town.
I'm sure I'll have a lot of questions, but for right now am content to keep digging up information.
Take care! ĄNo puedo esperar para conseguir allí!!
Just got back from a quck trip to Cali and it was as good as ever.
I have a girlfriend in Medellin so I think of Cali as a playground.
Went to a new casa at Ave 2N Calle 25N #105.
Great place! The boss (la heffa) Adriana, was really cool, loved having a gringo there, the prices were unbelievable - $35,000 pesos for an hour - about $12 or 13 dollars, and a great selection of about 15 chicas.
After staying away for over a year, went to Flores frescas. Nice show, hot chicas but the prices ... mucha plata (expensive for service), especially for what's out there in the numerous casas around town.
Also went to Kaliente (from Kaliente.com).
Also some hot chicas but the less expensive casas are just as nice for about half the price.
Anyway, Cali is still heaven for chicas. Non-pros and pros alike are hot and most , really friendly.
Treat these girls nicely and tell them they're beautifull, and you'll be treated like el Rey (the King)
for B. Player,
You can buy a telephone for pre-paid service. Either Comcel or Bell South.
Both have stores in Chipi Chapi mall.
Usually there are specials they are running, compare both places.
I got a Bell South phone about a year ago on special. Cost about $50 or around there. Pre-paid calls cost about 1000 pesos a minute (33 cents/min), half this rate at night I believe too.
You can buy these pre-paid phone cards just about in any store and these phones work all thru Colombia in any city with no long distance charges thru-out Colombia.
Hope this helps out.
B.Player - If you're looking for longer stays, I'd recommend using frequent flyer miles to do so. No extra miles incurred, and you can change the return for $50 in most cases.
The only downside is the dates available. Sometimes you have to check around a bit, and custom tailor your trip.
I know that on Continental or NWA, it takes 35k miles for Central or South America.
The other option, if you don't have the miles yourself, is to find a travel agent consolidator that has longer length tickets cheap, or one way tickets cheap. I've used www.adventure-bound.com before for one way tickets to Costa Rica that were about 65-75% of a round trip (short time) ticket.
Hi guys,
Well, first the bad news. For those of you that are coming down next week (leo and B. Player), things are going to be pretty slow down here. Yes, it is a puente again (3 day weekend), and calenas love to get the hell out of the city when that happens. So, try to lower your expectations since Cali is a pretty boring place to be when it is a puente.
I'd love to meet you guys when you'll be down here. I am more of a weekday guy though (during nights and weekends, I take care of my wife and kid). But, during weekdays, this is the time that I run around and spead my genes.
I'll see if we can work out something for us to meet. I have a lot of work, but my deadline is for June 30th so that should leave us some time.
If you can change your dates to come a week later, that would be better for you since, like I said a puente weekend is just plain boring in Cali.
Hi Guys,
Been here a week and just starting to catch my breath !!!
Ramon is busy with all the Gringos, will tell him to check his e-mail, his home telehone number again is 57 2 5133458
Staying down south of Cali in good area with family but carnt bring the girls home !! so I just fuck on site !!
Looking for wife but Ramon deals with the wrong type !!!
Without any Spanish is a big drawback but I'm doing my best !!
My e-mail address is gr4327@yahoo.com.au if anybody wants to go for a beer.
Been to Fresh Flowers, what a rip off, there are some good places on the Rio Cali, dont know the names but good young girls and cheep.
Long weekend this weekend, Im of to see what I can find, all the best to you.
Aussie Greg.
P.S. Went to La casa de Cervesa when Cali played Boca the other night in soccer. The chicks there ( non pro ) were the best I have ever seen in one place at any one time, blew my mind.
Antifreeze...
Is there some sort of calendar I can check to make sure my dates do not fall on a puente?
Ricker, Jaimito Cartero, guys:
Thanks for all the info.
Slick: You still have to let myself or Leo know how to get ahold of you while your in Cali. E-mail me or leave a post.
Good luck and see you in Cali!
Poobah,
I was indeed looking for that but was not successful at spotting one. If anyone else has that information, please post those dates here because Cali is really borring during puentes.
well, not sure i want to push back the begining of my trip to cali to avoid the puente... but sure can extend the return home to get some more dates not on a puente!
Normally puentes are on a Monday, the bridge of the weekend, but they can fall on religious holidays and there are also local holidays.
Here are the puentes as far as I know them for then next three months:
June 30
July 20 (but this is a Sunday, and may or may not be moved to Monday)
August 7 (a Thursday and never moved but is the start of a long weekend)
August 18
Hi mongers,
has anyone
info of flights going to/from Ecuador (Quito) to CALI???
Because I recon there is the HOTTEST puzz from all Sud-Americana !!
Is it "save"....??(sofar you can use this word regarding Colombia)
I am thinking that every good monger ONCE in a lifetime should go to COlombia.
For me MAYBE this moment has come;-)
hasta la vista baby.
Johan.
Slick1-
I think the weekend of the puente is this coming weekend, with Jun/30 being the holiday day - so your arrival won't be impacted... it should be normal Cali life for those dates.
I'll be arriving Friday, meeting up / staying with with B.player. Post here or email me directly sobeleo/at/yahoo/dot/com if you like that better, and we'll leave a message at the desk for you to receive upon arrival so you may find us that evening, Jul/2.
Leo
Sounds good. I'll drop you an email next week. Enjoy Cali. Stop by the Intercontinental and I don't think the puente will ruin your time. If the TLC ads are true you should have access to about 800 girls in the hotel lobby or by the pool. Give us a quick report on that scene.
Studplayer
I'll be sure to let you all know,but I don't arrive until tommorow evening. There are a few guys there right now but they are probably finding that the internet accessibility is not as abundant as in places like Buenos Aires.
Studplayer
Sorry for the lack of reports out of Cali but I was having too good a time to sit down and type. Had a lot of fun hanging out with all the guys from the forum over the last 4 days. Armani, B player, and Leo were a great group of guys to test the non pro Chippechappe mall action with, and I also enjoyed downing some brews at the Casa de Cerveza with Aussie Greg and Antifreeze. I will come right out and confess that this was not really a mongering trip from my perspective as I did spend most of my time with my cute little Calena that I met on my last trip. All of the guys said they were going to rat me out as being a true romantic, rather than a monger, so I figure I better confess from the start. I only went to the clubs and houses on my first night there and it was almost closing time so I really can't even update my last perspectives on the pay for play scene. On that night I did pick up a young cutie outside El Faragon but when we got back to the Intercontinental I had a problem with security since she did not have ID. Since it was late and I was tired I just put her back in the cab with Carlos to take home. I had no problems a month ago but my new advice is to stay away from the Inter. if you want to bring all your girls back to the hotel. It is a nice hotel but you will get killed with extra charges for bringing in Chicas. I paid nothing for my regular girl but she did have to register. I think I only escaped the extra charges because I had a friend at the front desk.
To tell you the truth, I'm not so sure that on my next trip to Cali I will partake of the P4P scene. I don't think it is even necessary. From talking to the other guys I think the consensus was that hanging out at the local spots was more fun and equally rewarding. Chippechappe and Unicenter mall were full of hot Calenas. There are beer stands that attract a lot of local girls. This trip cemented the impression in my mind that these Calenas are some of the most sexy women on earth. Feminine to the max and curves galore.The guys who did partake of the P4P scene seemed a bit underwhelmed with the casa scene but everyone was raving about just hanging out at the beer stands in the mall. Other hot spots on this trip for me were the Peluqueria ( beauty salon) up the street from the hotel along with the spa across the street. At the salon I went for a haircut and the manicurist tried to set my buddy and I up with all the girls in the place. Some were very hot. Also had a great massage from a very cute girl at the spa and then a 2nd cutie turned me into a human fruit salad with a full body treatment of all kinds of tropical fruits, honey and oatmeal. This was a completely legit place but all the girls seemed very happy to meet some gringos and were smiling out the window as we pulled away. Definetly would have asked the tall one out if I didn't already have plans. This brings me to my new perspective on Cali and that is, If you are looking for the so called girlfriend experience, not only from a club girl, but an actual girlfriend, Cali is the place. The way girls make eye contact and are so receptive to being approached is incredible. Believe me, I have never experienced anything like the women in Cali. The other guys, or shall I say the non romantics, were writing down phone numbers as fast as they could. You may have to wine and dine the girls a bit but they are great fun to be with. Another word of advice however is to learn some Spanish. It will make things easier. I am getting better but still have a long way to go.
To sum it all up, I can't wait for my next trip back to Colombia. It may not be Cali again next time, but it will definetly be Colombia. Now I also don't want to give out the impression that Cali is not without its dangers but if you play it safe they can be avoided. I have not yet had a problem but you don't want to let your guard down. The soldiers and heavy police presence are there for a reason, but from my perspective, the vast majority of Colombians are some of the most affable and engaging people I have met. If the visual presence of police with machine guns or being frisked intimidates you, Cali might not be your cup of tea. But it is cheap and the food is good. As an example, after arriving my buddy and I just wanted to relax for a while with some beers and dinner. We had Carlos take us to one of the plentiful local spots and we invited him to join us. We downed about 16 bottles of beer, had three platters of steak and parrilada and I bought 3 of the local street kids a hamburger each and the bill came to 63,000 pesos. About 21-23 dollars. And the food was good. I gave the girl 80,000 pesos and she came running out after our taxi because she wasn't even expecting the rest to be a tip. All in all I enjoyed Cali even more this time.
Oh yeah Studplayer you asked about the climate. Great. It can get warm during the day but not too bad. The nights are beautiful, although if the winds kick up down from the mountains you may need a sweater. Take care all. Would like to see some reports from the other guys in town.
I don't know why I didn't even bring a paper back for myself. All the time I was down there my friend and I talked about a return trip and renting a place instead of dealing with a hotel. My driver told me for what I pay for one night at the hotel I could rent a nice place for a week. One of the guys down there had the use of a $100,000 4 story townhome on the mountainside that was spectacular. If the purchase price was that much I can only imagine that the rentals for some pretty nice places would be cheap. I am kicking myself now for not investigating the rental scene. I will probably call my driver and see if he can get me some info. which I will gladly pass along. Doubt if they have any english language papers down there but Antifreeze would know best. Thinking already about a labor day weekend return for some fun.
This link brings you to classifieds that are houses for sale, and followed with rentals. Most rentals are made for Colombians only (a lot of paperwork to push, trust me I've been there), but you may be able to find a jewel in there.
http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/paisonline/clasificados/index.php?seccion=1
Stay away from the center (Zona Centro).
Zona Norte is probably the most secure (La Flora in specific).
Zona Sur has a bit of everything.
I don't know much about Zona Oeste and Zona Oriente.
Is W. looking for trouble in Colombia now?
In today's newspaper in Cali, the American embassy had an annoucement requesting all Americans to register with the Embassy. That could be a preemptive step for W. to go and get trouble in other parts of the world (Colombia).
Does the US embassy often puts such ad? Or is this something that could be considered exceptional?
I went to register on the web site as stated in the ad (http://usembassy.state.gov/colombia) and their online registry mechanism does not work. Once the form is filled, you press send and it reports some unfixable error. Uncle Sam's money at work!!! First, pay for the ad. Second, have an unprofessional programer put a little something together during his luch break. Finaly, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] everyone off by doing this...
You could be right Antifreeze. I don't know if it was you that told me or someone in my office just yesterday, that the USA govt. contracted out to private companies the job of drug surveillance over Colombia, and that one or two got shot down this weekend with 8 americans missing. Keep the Calenas safe brother.
Buenos Amigos, (shit my Spanish is good now !!! )
Special hi to Antifreeze, I guess we won't be brother inlaws mate, but what a team!
Hi to Slick1 and Jamacian friend ( can't remember your name mate but hi) Good talking about the cricket!
O.K., news
If any you guys are looking for a friendly Colombiam family to live with eather short term or long term (a deal can be made for long term stay) during your visit to Cali, Ive got the place for you.
I've been here for the last month and they treat me as family.
They charge $40.00 per day which includes;
1. Bed and two meals a day, breakfast with eather lunch or dinner.
2. Pick up and return to the Airport by your very own personal body guard, also if you require your body guard service for shopping, ***** house tours ect, available 24 hours a day if required.
3. Personal recomendation by me and I think another well know person who writes on this web site who has been to parties at this house with his wife, mother inlaw during my stay here.
4. House is in the south but in a nice area.
5. Very close to some of the best ***** house out side of Centro Cali which dont see any Gringo,s, other than Antifreeze !!!!!!
6. If you only speak English like me then thats no problem with this family.
7. You only pay Colombian prices which the locals pay when you are with your body guard. Like 37 pesos for an hour with the most beautifull girl of your dreams! Very young to!
8. Very close to Cosmos Shopping Centre and also Uni Shopping Centre (Uni Shopping Centre has the best girls shopping, better than Chippychoppy)
9. You pay all costs other than the above ie, taxi, food cervesas (beers) ect.
Anyway thats the goss, will keep my storys to later on when have time.
If you require this service then e-mail me, I can put you in touch with the family.
gr4327@yahoo.com.au
All the best muchachos and adios.
Aussie Greg.
Slick and Antifreeze... you two are a wealth of information...
Slick I read your post in the Bs. As. section. Very interesting.
Would elaborate on when and where you are getting frisked and by whom in Cali.
Also, what are these other precautions are you taking?
I mean, how dangerous can it be there?
Guys,
I am going to Brazil, Arg and Peru, would like to hit Columbia, but no air pass includes this combo.
Would you try to hit Columbia too (paying for ticket in a S. Ameriecan currency) if you had time, or would you make a separate trip from the United States at a different time to see Columbia and Venezuela?
Gracias
Studplayer
The precautions I take are fairly simple and include such common sense things such as not wearing any type of flashy jewlery. I don't even bring my watch. And I think it is important to have a driver that you trust, especially if you are going to use him to take you to the bank to make ATM withdrawals. I have a driver down there that I take care of well and he is a good guy to hang with. If you know no one down there take your driver in for a beer, I feel there is more safety in numbers and its better than drinking alone. The last thing would be that if you are going to meet the chicas just try to make sure that she is not with a guy. In terms of travelling and sightseeing I have gotten a lot of conflicting info from the locals themselves, so I don't know what to believe. I did go up into the mountain next to Cali to the statue of Christorey where the view of Cali and the Andes was spectacular , but you certainly don't want to go at night. I certainly don't want to sound like an alarmist because I never felt threatened in Cali, but the statistics are somewhat staggering and I don't want to be the next one. It is great fun and I can't wait to return. My chica wants me to go with her to Periera so she can show me around her home. That is supposed to be a beautiful city in the mountains. Heard some very good things about Medellin as well. Some say it is safer than Cali, others no.
As far as being a wealth of info that is where you should pick Antifreezes' mind. He lives there and knows it all and is a good guy. Me, I have just started to scratch the surface of Colombia and can only provide the newbies impressions. Later.
xthrax
From what I heard travel from Colombia to other parts of SA can be very expensive. I believe Antifreeze told me that to get to Brazil from Col. it is cheaper to fly to Miami and then down to Brazil. From my view of the Cali airport I did not see any of the other SA carriers such as Varig, but Bogota may be different.
You are right Slick. It is not the law of physics that drive the prices for air fares (how close you are), but the laws of economics (offer and demand). For trips like Colombia-Brazil, not much offer and even less demand so prices are way up there even though it is a country adjacent to Colombia. It is about half the price to go through Miami.
This is an insult to intelligence, but there is not much we can do about it. Good luck XThrax. If you find that I am wrong on that subject, please post your information since I do want to travel to other South-America countries also and am restricted by prices.
Panama City is a major hub for TACA so you may want to check the airfares from there.
I did a quick search on travelocity and for around US$600, you can fly Lloyd Aero Boliviana from Panama City and connect through Santa Cruz, Bolivia on your way to Rio. From reading this board, Santa Cruz seems to be a town worth checking out.
leo and b.player are having much fun... expect a nice report with tons of detail upon my return next week, as i have no time for internet and reporting when there are so many beautiful caleņas that donīt have "no" in their vocabulary.
Leo
You're tearing me up inside. I can picture you and B. player prowling Chippechappe and unicenter every afternoon while the rest of us are stuck here getting ready for another ho hum friday afternoon happy hour. Enjoy the rest of your stay. While the puente may have gotten you off to a slow start it sound like you guys have kicked it into overdrive. Look forward to the reports.
antifreeze.
I think you can get a Cali-Caracas flight for about $300US.
Come and visit me :)
Antifreeze,
I know that since you are the sole gringo living in Cali, most of us feel comfortable asking you for some assistance. I gone back and read every post on this "Cali" thread because I don't want to ask something that has already been asked.
Anyway, I was in Bogota in April and I will be returning Aug 2nd for a week. The weather had been rainy and cooler, especially in the evening, and I expect the same for this trip.
After reading your posts and the others from all the other great posters on this thread, I WILL TAKE A WEEK OF VACATION AND COME TO "HEAVEN" FOR THE WEEK. My question, How is the weather there? Does it rain every day like Bogota? What types of clothes are acceptable there? In Bogota, normal "gringo wear," (jeans and tennis shoes) is out of the ordinary and draws attention. Dark "Dockers" and non-athletic shoes are more the style there. How about in Cali? Tropical wear is ok? Light colored Dockers and a golf shirt ok or is this out of the norm also?
I have lived in Mexico the last 3 1/2 years, and until April, (my first trip to Colombia), I loved it. I married a Mexican woman a couple of years ago, and if I had been to Colombia before my trip, I wouldn't have gotten married.
I feel the same as Antifreeze; my wife can give me everything I need except for variety. ONCE a monger, ALWAYS a monger. Old habits are very hard to break. Especially when you are around HOT Latinas!!!
For the week in Colombia, I never got so many looks from hot women. ALMOST NEVER IN THE US!
Anyway, If you or any of the other posters have a chance to advise me on the styles, I would be in grateful.
Thanks,
Dollar Bill$
Catire: Why would antifreeze spend 300 pesos, let alone $300 US Dollars, to go chase skirt in Caracas when he lives in paradise?
You have all this free time on your hands now so the question to be asked is "Why don't you go visit him in Cali?"
I did a two week trip to Cali in Jun/Jul.
Since the primary purpose of this site is to report on pay-4-play action around the world, I don't have a huge write-up to offer... pay-4-play is not so great (compared to Brasil and Argentina, maybe Thailand or Czech) IMHO.
On the otherhand, the non-pro action is OUT OF THIS WORLD, SPECTACULAR! So, who is Cali for? Most important, it's not for the hobbiest that no longer plays the amateur game, the hobbiest that is strictly a pay-4-pay player. It is for the dude that likes both amateur and pay-4-play, and is in it for more than sex, as described below.
Is Cali for You? - I offer the following:
(1)
You are let's say younger (say 20s-40s), not too ugly (although that may not matter), relatively in shape (ie. not obese)... and who knows, even if you're not these, maybe you'll still love Cali and meet many non-pros.
(2)
You hobby not only for the sex, but also for the GFE, or the companionship (not meaning GFE in the bedroom, but GFE as a destination); you like to make a date (as in the sense of time spent with a girl, courtship, etc.), or I mean outside activities (dinner, movie, country club, etc.) of your time with a girl instead of only sex; ... then Cali may be for you.
(3)
You have some skills. I mean, you don't _only_ hobby because you dislike, or you're not good at, meeting non-pros and scoring with non-pros. On your int'l travel you like (or would like) to blend pro and non-pro action. If you still play the game (non-pro) in the U.S., but don't get quite the results you want (who doesn't want more??), and wouldn't mind playing the chase game if it was so EASY, then Cali is for you!
Guys, I really don't mean to offend anyone that doesn't fit these descriptions! I'm trying to provide detail for those that are going or contemplating a trip to Cali.
To be honest, my friends and I saw many dudes that didn't fit these descriptions, and they still loved Cali for the non-pros. I mean, there were gringos that were in their 60s, or were young but not in great physical shape, or were complete dorks in the personality area, and they all were loving Cali (granted many had paid to have introductions made through numerous services).
In Cali, the game is reversed. If you fit the description above, you take on the role of the Swedish supermodel at a college frat party! Girls stare you down, even when they are sitting with a man. You can approach any (well, just about any) women/girl and get a "yes":
"Would you like to meet sometime?"
"YES"
"May I have your number?"
"YES"
...never fake digits, they don't know that one!
...ringgg... "Want to meet me tonight?"
"YES"
Why can't the rest of the world, or the U.S. be this way?
Some girls will give it up the first date, some won't. Some are loooking for material things or golddigging (or blue-digging, as in the passport color!), some are not. This can be used to your advantage, just like they would use their assets to their advantage (I'm not saying use or mistreat girls!).
OK, details to follow in separately written posts.
strip clubs / chica clubs (take out)
flores frescas:
i was so under-amazed at flores frescas. i mean, it was like i couldn't get laid!... like a was black-listed. man, do the girls have attitudes in there. here's my story:
one of our first nights of the trip, say around jun/28, and it's me, b.player, and his friend n... we also have a local caleņo cabbie who is fluent in both languages. we know that the going rate is (all prices pesos) 80k for locals, maybe 120 if you get stuck paying full gringo... usualy starting price is 150k, if not us$100 (idiot gringo price)... all these are for an hour.
we all get quoted peso 150k, per hour. we each ask for the 120k - no movement from the girls. we ask for multiple hours, girls stick to 150k per, all the way up to over 1,000k for tdn!!
we had picked out three of the hottest, and even went as far to keep up the conversation right to the cabs. i mean, we watched the three hotest girls get in a taxi to leave, vs. coming with any of us.... and none of us are over 40 years and none are what i'd consider not in atheletic condition. finally, i offered my favorite 150k pesos but for something more than 1 hr (i was that ambiguous about the time requirement) and she left.
i figure the girls had other men that they had planned to meet, but we spent much time with them and they didn't appear to have spoken with that many others.
later in the trip, another friend d, did manage to have nicole (shorter, super cute face, light brown hair, nice body) meet at the apartment - 150k and she bailed as soon as he blew (40-50 minutes).
ok, our favorite girls...
evy or eveylen - smoking hot shorter light haired brunette, about 21, incredible real tits that were large for her body size. claims one child, but i couldn't tell. our friend rigo called her 'the *****', and explained a story about his son's experience with her. b.player is still working to meet her, so maybe i'll be able to update later.
johanna - super cute tiny girl, 18 yr-old, claims one child but you can't tell. only problem with this little spinner is she won't shave her legs (i asked to shave her, and she claimed some alegery) - and sorry, her legs were hairier than mine, and i couldn't do that... i'm not talking common carioca tanned fuzz here, i'm talking forest.
"21" - can't remember this girl's name, but she seemed to always wear some jeans that had a "21" on one thigh.
"butterfly" - again, can't remember her name, but she has the butterfly tatoo right on the small of her back above her ass. i tried to take her home, and offered her the 150k for 1 hr. she said she'd be at my apartament, but she no-showed.
ok, i listed all these girls to let you know that they each failed to allow any of us to spend sex time with them. thus, when you visit, and try for one of them, be prepared with some form of strategy or plan, or at least know that she is the girl of my story.
we found other locations for pay-4-play girls, none with girls quite as hot as these 4-5 girls (although all the others were similar in quality to what we found), but again, cali is not a top flight pay-4-play destination (in s.a., compared to ba or brasil, imho).
faraon:
faraon and faraon del norte (located nextdoor to each other)
calle 2 #23-48
about 4 blocks past the torre de cali tower (tallest building in cali).
i don't believe these places are owned or run by the same people. each has it's own door staff, and entry fees: 15k pesos at faraon (on left) and 10k pesos (or was it 5k pesos?) at faraon del norte (door on right).
both had the same prices for girls:
20 minutes for 30k
30 minutes for 40k
60 minutes for 50k
on my only visit to either, saturday 12-jul, i found about twice as many girls (18 vs. 9 approximately) at the del norte building. girls were mostly prettier also.
b.player and i were turned down by the 3-4 girls we asked for bbbj - all said cbj only. so we decided to skip the bjs and just do the deed. my first choice denied photos, but luckily another girl appeared just in time so i traded to her.
girls seemed to imply that we could have gotten a large room and do say an hour and swapped girls for second rounds, brasil style, but we preferred a simple shot and make tracks to the clubs (love the non-pro action in cali!).
oh, 2 soda or limonade (mix, not fresh) are included with your door charge at faraon del norte.
casas/reservados
these are places where you can do incall real cheap. from the street they look like a residential house, nothing more. the large adress plate and/or security dude (in civilian dress) give them away too.
la clinica del doctor amor:
avenida 2n 23n37 (right along the river)
hours: monday through saturday 9:00am to 10:00pm; closed on sundays
prices: 30 minutes for 25k pesos
non-pros bars/discos
since cali is such a great non-pro city (and not the greatest pay-4-play city)... and since cali has to be one of the easiest cities in the world for picky up non-pros...
here's some info on the best bars and clubs to visit, current as of my jun/jul-03 visit. the bar life is divided into the early slot, which starts as early as about 8p, and everthing must close by 2p; and the late slot, which is discos located out of main-cali that are exempt from the 2p close rule. i suppose the salsa clubs of juancito, or whatever that area is called, fall into the late slot, but i didn't experience these.
la casa de las cervesas:
a great outdoor/indoor (balconies) location for both beers (2,000, giraffa not expensive, they have all columbian brands - club, costeņa, lgiths, poker) and drinks (call vodka and tequillas, whiskey likely too, cuervo margarita 8,000). this place is famous enough that all cabbies know it.
mysti-k:
pronounced (mistic-ka), this is the best disco type bar that is open in the early slot. it has a nice open air central area! no cover charge, drinks range from 10k for absolute/quattro, less than 5k for beers, 60k for small bottle of absolute (1/2 fifth?), 15k for red bull equivalent... although the music is loud in most the place, you can find nice spots where it's not (e.g. balcony, outdoor table, etc.). arrive after 10p, leave stay the night if you're not doing a 'disco', or leave about 1p to beat the crowds to the discos. many cabbies do not know this place, as famous as it is (and we couldn't believe they didn't know it!), so note it's 2 blks east of av. sexta on 25th.
forum:
this is a disco/club nextdoor to misti-k. didn't do it, but it's rocking on wednesday night which is ladies night -free drinks all night for ladies! damn, the talent going in there the one wed i was outside (going into mysti-k).
another great 'bar' option for non-pros are the kiosks in the two malls - unicentro and chipechape. the most famous of these (they have all of them in both of the two malls) is "reggae & pop". there is another one, next to a coffe kiosk more or less (in chipechape on the opposite side, next to the center area of the kiddie amusement rides area). they get busy on weekdays beginning at about 4p, and 5p-7p the really start to jam, and go into the evening, say 11p, especially on wed-sat nights. saturday days are good too, say after 2p. beers 2,400 i think, baileys 5k (girls seem to always order this), giraffa 2l 24,000, fresh limonade 1,500.
tienda vieja:
the best program for a sunday is to hit tienda vieja by 6p.
tienda vieja full of non-pro hotties, but you won't find any (well, many) gringos here. most any cabbie will know of it, but if not it's located at "autopista con 44". they play salsa and other local music, and the girls love to dance.
the place is more or less divided into two section as part of the place has a very much indoor feel (hotter, smokier, the albeit high ceiling seems low) and the other half of the place has a very much outdoor feel (high ceiling seems not there, lots of breeze, feels like an outdoor plaza). there are tables everywhere, with two dance floors (one in each area) - but the tables are all taken by 6p.
beers are cheap, an almost fifth of absolute (what's the 4/5s a 5th?) is 60k, i don't believe you can order a cocktail. food is lower quality (think bar food). the place is next door to a rather well known and very good restaraunt called ranchero de jonas.
closes after 11p, although it peaks before 10p. this is a sunday place, although maybe open saturday... not any other days/nights. cover is 3k.
ok, the discos
baioa (or something like that):
this place was packed the one night we went, but it was so loud and all tables so we had no change to even approach girls. thus, a total waste in my book... unless you are bringing a date to dance electronic music (grrrr).
mission:
in yumbo, north of cali, we hit this on consecutive saturday nights. one had a party of visiting djs, and damn, the hottest girls of my trip were there. i met the girl of my dreams that night (non-pro). of course, lots of drug dudes and the entourages of girls... so be careful who you approach. one the next saturday night, with no special event, the place was empty! so, ask around first... 15k cover charge for the night of the event, 10k for the 'normal' night. no cocktails sold, bottle service only (although not expensive). only electronic music.
oxs (or something like that):
nice spot up on the hill. more salsa than electronic music. not the greatest selection of girls the one saturday night we hit it, maybe on others... but great late spot if you have a girl (and she's not coming to your apartment...).
noise:
lots of the girls go to this place. music must vary by night or by time, salsa and/or electronic. we paid no cover on one saturday, but i seem to remember a cover charged on one thursday.
hotel
hostal san fernando:
calle 3, 27-87
phone: +57 (2) 556-4818
prices: from $22 us per night
http://www.calihotel.com/
calihotel@hotmail.com
not really a hostal, but not exactly a hotel.
location is excellent, in the very safe and mellow neighborhood of san fernando. nearby:
dry cleaners (3 or 4 within 0.5-2 blocks)
grocery store (2 blocks, including small pharmacy)
atms (2 are 2 blocks away, 2 others 3 blocks away, and the one at the grocery store is the only atm we found that would give 400k instead of a limit of 300k per transaction)
fruit juice / smoothie spot (3 blocks)
rigoberto (rigo) is the proprietor, and he is super nice, and fluent in english, too (lived in us many years). his internet is slow, so better to hit chipechape, or the great i-cafe in the lobby of the rayda apartments, across from the hotel intercontinental casino.
the staff (girls that do the rooms) are super nice! they will do your laundry for you, although their prices are as much, if not a little more, than the neighborhood cleaners. the phone charges are slightly more than a telecabine: 300/minute for local and 1,600 per minute for cells).
it's a little quirky that you have to have rigo or one of the girls unlock the gate for you with each arrival or departure, but then the place sure is secure.
the airconditioner units are strong! but the fuse blew many times, like almost once per day, during our visit. the typically will fix it immediately, but once rigo was away and it took many hours (tv was thus down also).
water pressure was super!
typical sampling of tv channel options.
you get free access to the club san fernando, a nice high end (for cali) country club with huge pool (fun 5m high dive), restaurant, message, tennis courts, bowling, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord116][CodeWord116][/url] hall, steam/sauna/hotub. this is a great option for day dates!
they require payment in cash! no credit cards. so use your atm to grab a lot of pesos, as their exchange rate sucked - only 2700 (vs. the interbank rate of around 2860). note, the cambia houses/desks and/or banks likely only gave 2700 or less, maybe only 2500... but that doesn't mean 2700 doesn't suck (sorry rigo).
random other stuff
phone/internt charges:
gsm just hit cali in jul-03. i don't know if you can buy a sim card, but you can buy an unlocked phone for about us$60, and i assume pull the card. no plan is required, and you can from there simply buy cards/codes for usage.
at telecabines the standard is 200 per minute for local calls, and range 500-800 per minute for cellular.
you may also find hawkers along av. sexta that carry cell phones, and allow you to call a cell phone on them for 500 per minute.
internet ranges at 2,000 - 4,000 per hour.
wines:
i'm a amateur collector of reds. i searched long and hard to find a quality wine store in cali. i was looking for top end reds of chile and argentina. don't try carrefour, you won't find them there.
your real only choice is la cava in normandia (a convenient location, not far from the hotel intercontinental), at avenida 4-oeste # 1-108, 892-1319. hours in july were 4p-1a.
we were able to purchase lagarde (they had cab '96, crianza '97, syrah ?, malbec ?) from argentina, and i remember montes and montes alpha of chile (with many others of chile).
the staff is helpful, but be sure to ask if they've personally tried the bottle your discussing, and the prices are great.
Surfer, antifreeze expressed an interest in visiting other cities in the south american region.
Hence my offer.
As to my going there, that would make it a tourist trip with tourist type costs involved, costs I am not willing to incur at the moment.
Thank you, Leo, for those two excellent posts. I will print them out and use them as a travel guide. You told us everything we need to know, without adding in any extra BS that we don't need to know. A 5-star post.
gracias... just the fact, sir.
Antifreeze -
Please see my post back a little ways on date 7/16. I am a regular member and Jackson just approved to post. It fell back to when I wrote it, not as the newest post to this section.
Thanks,
Dollar Bill$
Antifreeze
Still in Cali, my report will come later, no time to waste now with soo much action around.
Antifreeze, do you know an English speaking real estate agent and possibly a lawyer? I am thinking about renting an apartment for a year, soo any other information on how to make this process easy would be great.
Leo is right. I haven't heard the word "NO" in allmost 3 weeks. Life is great down here. I want to be just like you antifreeze, well at least a part time resident.
Leo, Your reporting is spot on! Was there in May, and going back in 2 weeks. The one requirement for doing well with nonpros that you omitted was language ability; VERY few speak even passable Engish (Cali is NOT Copacabana or Recoleta).
I, too, never made it to the salsatecas in Juanchito but hope to this trip. GREAT report.
I completely agree about the language requirement - so much so that I ommitted it because it's so obvious. You're not gonna have fun with amateurs in any country if you don't speak the language - in Brasil, B.A., or Columbia.
Dollar Bill:
I mongered in Cali a couple of years ago in the July/Aug months. It rained off an on reminding me of spring showers in the states. It is still warm and somewhat humid during the day and cools off in the evening. You will be fine with a light jacket.
Cali is the opposite of Bogota with regards to dresswear. In Bogota, Colombian dress is more conservative and professional, whereas Cali is laid back and casual. Gringo wear (jeans and sneakers) actually fits in quite well in Cali since you rarely see the colombian dudes wearing shorts. When hitting the clubs, anything is fair game so attention grabing attire is a good thing. A hipp Hugo Boss type shirt will garner looks from the chicas. The Hawaiin shirts were still popular If I remember correctly.
I also seem to remember this being a good time to pick up amateur puss as there wasn't any school during this time of the year. Like others have stated, ChipeChape is the mecca for picking up amateurs. If one know Spanish, one could easily get 2 to 3 numbers in an afternoon. There is also another mall on the other side of town that you might try. I believe it's called Centro.
I'm sure Slick or Antifreeze can elaborate more on these subjects since I was there a few years ago. Good Luck!
Late,
Judd
Cali is not goog for P4P!!! Did I read that well??? Well, what do you guys need??? Because a woman is intelligent enough not to perform BBBJ on you doesn't make the destination unattractive for P4P, as a matter of fact, it's the other way around.
Thank God they don't go that way, consequently increasing odds of spreading things around.
In Cali, you can get a georgious girl as a wife for an half hour that will cost you less than $10... As you go to those places, they do not send a cow sitting on your side to harrass you for money for an half hour. They all line up, and shake your hand while stating their names, and you call the one you want. Slip her a $10, and get to work. She'll open her legs - there's no such thing as a girl that is a prostitute and feel that your hands can't go down. The Hell slip your thung in there if you want. Then, there's no such thing as getting into a room and the girl asking for another $5 to take her bra off. God I don't miss the US!!!
Well, I must respectfully disagree. Cali is the best P4P city that I've seen. It is not Brazil, but it also doesn't have Brazil prices... And Colombian women are unbeatable. They can make excellent girlfriends as well as terrific wives (can't say that about most Brazilian women).
As for how to dress in Colombia, I agree that jeans are OK, but stay away from sneakers. Colombian woman look at a man from bottom to top with the shoes being their first stop. Sneakers is written GRINGO in flashing neon... And it is not appealing to them. You can go downtown and get a good pair of shoes for about $15, and they just like that.
In the US, to have a leasure appearance is appealing since it shows women that you can pay yourself some vacation once in a while. In Colombia, it's the work type appearance that works since it shows women that you can afford to work...
Thanks to both Judd and Antifreeze for getting my styling correctly! I really appreciate your advice!
[QUOTE]Well, I must respectfully disagree. Cali is the best P4P city that I've seen. It is not Brazil, but it also doesn't have Brazil prices... And Colombian women are unbeatable. They can make excellent girlfriends as well as terrific wives (can't say that about most Brazilian women).[/i][/QUOTE]I'm having conflict impression about amateur Calenas here after reading all these posts about them.
If a regular girl is so easy to pick up, and their attitude toward leisure sex is not restrained at all, how can they be a good wife, a good girl friend I won't argue, but a good faithful wife?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Antifreeze
[i]Cali is not goog for P4P!!! Did I read that well??? Well, what do you guys need??? Because a woman is intelligent enough not to perform BBBJ on you doesn't make the destination unattractive for P4P, as a matter of fact, it's the other way around.
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Well, I must respectfully disagree. Cali is the best P4P city that I've seen. It is not Brazil, but it also doesn't have Brazil prices... And Colombian women are unbeatable. They can make excellent girlfriends as well as terrific wives (can't say that about most Brazilian women).
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NO, YOU DID NOT READ THAT WELL!!
I said Cali as a pay-4-play destination is not that great. I didn't say it wasn't good, as you imply I wrote. Even you can be quoted saying "it's not Brasil". Well, no, it's not. Brasil is great, Cali isn't Brasil.
Also, I NEVER provided as a reason for my opinion (and it's an opinion, no need to be upset) that one casa's chicas lack of offering BBBJ had anything to do with my opinion. That note was only offered to help others. It's completely false to deduct that this note has any part of my arrival at my concluding opinion.
I would save the word great for a handful of destinations. IMO Cali is not in that handful. It's still good, of course... better than good. Even better, you must be able to note, that my primary reason for my opinion of Cali as a lesser (than the very top) pay-4-play location is that it's so good for non-pay play! If you can't see that I share the opinion that Caleņas may make excellent girlfriends and/or wifes, well, then you must have not understood my posts.
Antifreeze:
Goodpoint about the shoes and P4P. I remember my buddy, Ramon, emailing me before my trip to make sure my shoes to looked sharp. Chicks...its always about the shoes!!!!
I went to a strip club very near the Hotel InterC. I picked this girl who had a beautiful round big butt (her face was marginal). We screwed all night and into the next afternoon. I had a total of 5 rounds with her and it set me back $60,000. Back then the exchange rate was 3,000 to one. I got one of my most enjoyable bang sessions for about $20 bucks! The clubs are not as plentiful and sometimes harder to find then say a place like BA, but you can find some real gems in those clubs.
Do you know anything about the mall on the other side of town? Is it still a good place for amateur action?
Late,
Judd
Hey Judd, Hope all is well. The mall on the other side of town I believe is called Unicenter and it is worth the trip. Same Reggae and pop beer stands and many beautiful Calenas walking around just ready to stare you down. Only about 20 minutes from the area around the Intercontinental. I have been told that if you want to stay on that side of town that the Pacifico Royal Hotel may be cali's best. Have not verified this fact. But I can verify that a late afternoon and evening at the Reggae and Pop in Unicenter is just as good as Chippechappe.
Hawaiian shirts?
In a Latin country?
thatīs pretty funny. YOU wear one.
Brazil vs. Cali
I've been to Brazil several times and Cali many times. If I were going for straight non-pro sex, I would choose Brazil. If I was looking for a relationship or pro sex, I would choose Cali.
The regular women in Brazil (outside Rio and Sao Paulo) are unbelieveably easy. I'm just a regular American guy and about 50% of the times I've gone to a regular club I've taken a beautiful girl to one of those Brazilian rent-by-the-hour sex hotels (I foget what they're called) within a few hours without much romancing.
However, these are not women I would consider marrying, and in fact, they have no desire for marriage or even a relationship.
The regular women in Cali are not quite as easy, but are much more genuine and seem interested in developing a relationship. Also, they are much more interested in you, as opposed to the Brazilian women who actually make me feel like I'm being used for sex (but I love it!).
As Antifreeze pointed out, the pros in Brazil are much more expensive. The only advantages I can see to Brazil pros are they're easier to get to your hotel (although next to the IC hotel, there is that club called Escobar that has women more than willing to go to your hotel) and there is more variety (blacks, whites, blondes, etc.). Also, Brazil's scene is more organized. All this doesn't offset the high cost though.
I do have a plea for anyone going to Cali. Please please keep the prices low and treat the women well. These are kind, beautiful, and for the most part innocent women. If you want to treat the girl like a ****, go to Brazil, they seem to love it!
-Kdog
Brazil vs. Cali (= Brazil vs. Colombia)
I couldn't resist putting my grain of salt to this thread because I experienced both places and they are rather different in spite of geographic and cultural closeness.
In my view, Brazil no longer a developping country and it shows. X-rated entertainment is highly organized and highly professional. Girls are proud to be earning money on the game and they fancy themselves as "pros", i.e. women who can be financially self-supporting by selling sex for money and owe nothing to men or Society. In fact, it is not exaggerated to say that what you get in Sao Paulo now is what you got in Frankfurt (Germany) 15 years ago (same prices, same commercial sex on offer).
This doesn't mean sex in Brasil is bad, or worse than anywhere else, just that one shouldn't expect much in terms of a "special relationship" or GFE experience. Many mongers would disagree with this, but I think they don't realize how little Brazilian girls are interested in a long-term relationship because they (the mongers) don't speak the lingo. This may seem paradoxical, but the less proficient you are in a language, the more delusions you entertain.
Brazilian women don't need visas to enter the EU so this may be a further reason not to "need" a European boyfriend. Some older women (30-40) may be interested in marriage though, as they feel that time is running out. But if you're out finding a smashing 20-year-old to be your girl-friend, forget it!
Colombia is less advanced on the road to modernity (and feministic hegemony) than Brazil. Girls need a visa to go anywhere so they may "need" you. And girls will also be more desperate for contacts with foreigners, especially in some towns where tourists seldom turn up. Likewise more girls in Colombia will be desperate to get away from violent husbands and warfare than in relatively peaceful Brazil.
All the same, if you're looking for things like: barebacking, GFE, smashing 20-year-olds etc., I would rank Colombia above Brazil, but still far behind other countries in some parts of the world.
xxl
Leo,
I am sorry if I misinterpreted your post. Be assure that I do not want to offend anyone on this boeard regardless of their opinions.
Antifreeze
For someone who wears tennis shoes in work and play, what kinds of 'nice shoes' do you members buy?
no problem at all mr. freeze, just wanted to be sure my thoughts were understood. i plan to visit cali again (hopefully we meet sometime!), and i'm sure it will involve both pay and non-pay play.
Has anyone here flown from Cartagena to Cali before? Can I just walk into any Cartagena travel agency and buy a ticket? How much should I expect to pay for round-trip?
If you buy a ticket Cartagena-Cali round trip from the US, it will cost you about $325. If you buy the same ticket in Colombia, you will pay around $100. I've had only good experiences by getting ticket that departs even the same day as I bought it... That do not mean that you could take your time to buy it (buy it as soon as you know your deprature date), but it means that system in here is a bit more flexible, and will accomodate you if at all possible.
Enjoy Cali like I do...
freeze
Antifreeze
How about from Bogota to Cali and back, What's the cost if I buy it in Bogota or at the ticket counter at BOG airport. In August I need to fly into BOG rom Mexico City and then buy a seperate ticket to go to Cali.
In my previous post, I was asking that could a Calena be a good faithful wife if they are so easy about leisure sex, the impression I got from messages on this board. I got no response on this issue. I know Antifreeze you are the one who can give us more acurate answer since you live there.
Thank you.
I paid $170 RT on aerorepublica using antifreeze' travel agent.
One tip-TAKE THE NONSTOP FLIGHT (leaves Cali in morning and departs Cartagena at 2pm) as the connection time in Bogota often leads to unplanned stopovers (happened to me).
Antifreeze (et. all),
I will be in Colombia for 2 weeks August 2nd - August 17th. I have to travel to Bogota on business for one of those two weeks.
My question is this: August 7th (Thursday) is a National Holiday. (I heard this from a Colombiana that I am communicating with). Since this holiday falls on a Thursday, do you think that many of the Caleņas will treat this like a pueņte and leave the city for a long weekend?
I am going to make it to Cali. I am not sure if it will be the week of August 4th or the 11th. Do you have any recommendations as to which week might be the best? (or are both the same with no special events scheduled).
I really would like a chance to meet up with you and buy you a beer. (And any other mongers down there during that time also). Hopefully you might have time and we could meet in the Chippi-Chappe mall.
I wanted to get your opinion of which hotel you felt was best for the Monger on a hotel budget.
Hotel Rayda sounds good and close to the Casino and Avenida Sexta. I like to gamble my play money.
Hotel Casa del Portal is close to Chippi-Chappe.
Which do you think would be the best overall place to be? Are they both in the north and is the north the place to be during the day or the place to be at night? Is the south better? I heard the north is a little safer.
Is swimming in a hotel pool an option or is the water normally too cool?
Just trying to receive your thoughts and/or suggestions.
I have read this board entirely, and follow it religously. All the posters have made Cali sound like a great place to go.
Any help would be great.
Dollar Bill$
Hey Bill,
Antifreeze will not be in Cali during most the time you are in country. I will be passing through Bogota and we could perhaps hook up in Bogota. Email me @ XTNsurfer@hotmail.com to discuss.
If your budget is $40 or so I'd try Hotel Don Jaime on Avenida Sexta as it is RIGHT in the action. Staying near the mall makes less sense IMHO.
Dollar Bill,
I'll be in Medellin from August 1st to August 10th. I'd also like to meet you, but it will be possible only if you're in Cali after August 10th.
I also like to swim. I swim between 2 and 3 miles every day. There is a georgious pool in the south (olympic size and outdoor) that is called la pisina pan-americana. This is from far the best pool that I had the chance to swim in. Temperature is plain perfect, and taking a sun bath while taking your bath is just so great. Be sure to bring some sun-block if you want to try it. Sun block is pretty expensive down here.
Antifreeze
If you stay at the Hostal San Fernando, Rigo will offer you entrance to the Club San Fernando, a nice private club (like a country club in the U.S.) with a huge pool, perfect for swimming laps. The club is walking distance (7 blks?) from the hotel, a totally safe area/walk. You can walk the neighborhood of the hotel at night, it's safe.
It's five minute / us$1 taxi to the Rayda (Rayda are apartments, not hotel) and the Casino.
I like the North also, but since you mention you want a pool, this is a good option, and close to the North (ChipeChape is 15 minutes and I don't remember exactly, but 3,500-4,500 pesos (under us$2).
I recently returned from a 10 day trip to Cali. To give my opinions some perspective, I have also traveled and hobbied in Panama, Argentina, Costa Rica, Medellin and throughout Mexico. I must admit that I love Colombian women. There are many, many beautiful women in Cali but I prefer the women of Medellin. There's just something about a Paisa.
First let me say that Cali is not for everyone. I traveled with three friends and two of them returned to Panama City after 4 days. They just couldn't get into the scene in Cali. My other traveling companion and I loved it.
I stayed at the Hostal San Fernando, you can get the information regarding the Hostal at www.calihotel.com. In my opinion it is a great place to stay, especially if it is your first time to Cali. The host, Rigo, will go out of his way to make sure that you find what you are looking for and that you have a good time. Throughout my 10 day stay I doubt that he got more than 4 hours of sleep a night. He stays up until the last guest comes in at night. Rigo or one of his staff must let you in and out of the premises through a locked gate. Rigo is deeply concerned for the safety of his guests. It is easy to loose site of the fact that Cali is a dangerous city and if you forget that you can get into trouble. Rigo is constantly advising you of where is safe and where is not. I can truthfully say that my own family has never made me feel so welcome.
That having been said on to the important stuff:
Perhaps the best known place in town is Floras Fresca, Calle 20N, No. 4N-16. The girls there range from 3-8's. I have read some of the posts here regarding specific girls and there so-called bad attitudes and refusal to accept a smaller fee for their services. I personally went with two of the girls that were previously spoken about, Johanna and Evelyn. Both these girls where extremely sweet and gave me incredible service. In fact I spent three nights with Johanna and she was incredible the highest price I ever paid these girls was $150,000 pesos an hour, about $55.00. After that they would offer me lower prices. I was nice and respectful to the girls and they truly seemed to appreciate it. My friend went out with the girl referred to as having a butterfly tattoo on her ass--they are actually eyes-- her name is Brigith same prices and a very sweet and nice girl. One thing to look out for at Floras Fresca is being labeled as cheap. One of the guys that returned to Panama early refused to tip one of the girls from the lesbian show one night, claiming that he had already tipped the other girl. After that he couldn't even get a girl there to talk to him. One of the girls told me about another American that tipped a girl $1,000 pesos, about 40 cents, for a lap dance and asked for change. That guy was essentially black balled by the girls there. It is important to remember that these girls are working there to support themselves and quite often their families, but the majority of them have pride and would rather go home and spend time with their families than go out with you for a price that they feel is too low. To me, it doesnt make sense to spend the money on airfare and hotels and then go home dry over $5-10 dollars, just my opinion.
Other than Floras, I had my best luck at private houses. Early in my trip a cab driver told me that there is a house on practically every block in Cali, from my experience he seems to be right. The problem is that the majority of the cab drivers in Cali are absolutely clueless. We had the good luck to find a driver that brought us to at least fifteen houses in one day. The prices in these houses range from $40,000 ($15) to 100,000 (around $37) for an hour, most have lower rates available for ― hour but I didn't bother with that. There are between 4-30 girls available at the houses at any given time. I unfortunately lost a piece of paper on which I had listed the addresses of several of the houses below are the names and addresses that I still have:
For my taste the best by far was Kaliente, Calle 25 Norte No 2 Bis - 47 B. San Vicente, (2) 653-6832. Had around 15 girls available when I was there but claimed that around 20 were coming back the following week. These were, for my taste, the hottest chicks I saw at any club, ranged between 18-25 years old. What the owners do is recruit girls from other cities to work there. The girls live, sleep and eat at the house and must be there six days a week, Sunday is an optional work day. Price is $100,000 pesos for an hour on premises, all inclusive, in a clean air conditioned room or $180,000 pesos (approx. $65) for three hours to go. I spent time with several girls there and had a great time with each of them. Most claim that they have never done this type of work before, supposedly the owners send girls to the child welfare offices and approach struggling single mothers with promises of making huge amounts of cash working at the house, so it may be true.
Other houses without comment:
El Eden, Calle 5, No. 63A-19, 551-1775
Hero's Club, Cra. 30 A N0. 7-73, 557-4391
Club Social Dina's, Cra 50 No. 10-31, 553-5007
Venu's Club, Carrera 66 No.9-61, 330-1104
Suenos, Cra. 44, #5B-79, 551-7748
Clinica Del Dr. Amor & Another, Av. 2N No 23-37
Faragon Calle 2 # 23-48, There are at least 4 other houses within 5 blocks of Faragon, but I lost the names and numbers, sorry.
This list just begins to scratch the surface of what is available in Cali for P4P some of the most fun I had was exploring the City looking for new houses, the best time to explore is during the day because many of the houses are geared towards giving the working man a nooner.
A lot of guys are talking about the non-pro action in Cali. It is true that you can go to Chippe Chapi or Uni Centro, two malls in town, in the evenings or on the weekends and meet any number of young ladies. I am 38 years old and in the worst shape of my life but every girl I approached at either of these places was as happy as could be that I had done so and readily agreed to go out with me and immediately gave me their telephone numbers. That being said I did not call any of them. Getting the numbers was just a game and a way to pass a couple of evenings before we went out. I did talk to several guys that were trying to date these girls and they all kept complaining about what liars the girls were etc. In my opinion the girls are aptly named non-pros because you do not get what you pay for, and make no mistake you will pay. What these girls are professionals at is separating you from your money, you will be buying them clothes, shoes etc. In the states we would call these girls "golddiggers" and I choose not to waste my money or time with them.
If you are looking for a girlfriend or wife I don't think that the mall is the place. In my opinion one of the most appealing things about a latina girlfriend or wife is the traditions and values that have been instilled in them by their families. I don't believe that these girls hanging around the mall anxious to date any wallet that comes along have these values. I would recommend that anyone looking for a serious girlfriend or wife try a different route, like meeting someone in the town that can introduce your or present you to girls from good families. This is more time consuming but the end result will be far more satisfying. Always check the pedigree.
Regardless, Cali is a city with numerous P4P options. Be careful and have fun.
Antifreeze, Aussie Greg, Surfer, and all other mongers in Colombia!,
I have talked to Surfer, and it looks like he has convinced me to hit Bogotá, Cali, and Medellín.
I will arrive in Bogota on Aug 6th and try to hook up "mi amiga - Vicki" while there.
Aug 7th, fly to Medellín, and stay till Sunday. Surfer advised me to not try to buy a plane ticket until I get to Colombia. He says it will cost me 1/4 - 1/2 of the price doing this vs. using the internet to purchase a ticket. How much was your ticket from Cali to Medellín?
Aug 11th - Aug 15th - work in Bogotá during the day, while doing research for WSG at night.
Aug 16th - Aug 20th - take a early flight to Cali and spend 4 nights in paradise! I am still a little unsure about which hotel, but I think that I am leaning towards "Hotel Don Jaime on Avenida Sexta" since it is Surfer's recommendation. I want to be close to the action.
Aug 20th - back to Bogotá
Aug 21st - Back to México
Is getting Vitamin "V" difficult in Colombia? Does it require an medical exam or prescription? I tried it once (stole one from my Dad's stash while I was home visiting) and it work for like 14 hours. I do not remember any problems with headaches, just waking up with a stiffy and putting it to my then-girlfriend a few more times. I figure if there is going to be a "stud" convention in Medellín, then I better take some performance enhancing drug to get me in the competition. (ha)
I look forward to meeting Freeze, Aussie Greg, Surfer, and anyone else down there.
Dollar Bill$
Ola Amigo,s,
Just packing my bags after 2 months in paradise, 1 month in Cali and 1 month in Medellin.
Not looking forward to the long trip back to Aussie.
Didn't get to the coast but back in 10 mes and will do this with a pretty paisa chicky babe.
Cali, stayed with a colombian family in south Cali. Recieved top service and was one of the family, I can recomend this style of family accomidation with personal body guard, taxi service, home cooked meals ect.
Did all the monger things in Cali but was missing some thing I throught, headed of to Medellin.
Met Antifreeze and a nice guy he is but that changed when I seen him at all the places I was at! He's like me!
Trired to walk up the big hill in Cali with Antifreeze and my landlord but only made the second level! they thought that I was weak but I only wanted to talk to all the pretty girls coming down the hill!
Medellin, stayed at a Casa that Steve and Robert owned. Now Steve has brought out Robert so is only Steve now in charge. Steve has about 800 girls on his computor to look at and meet, I met about 20 and a few girls in the street and bars.
To me Medellin is better than Cali because the girls are I think more European looking and more beautifull and taller, it is spot the ugly girl in Medellin and there are not many. I will be returning to Medellin and Id like to die there!
That is all untill I get home, if anybody is interested in the family run house in Cali e-mail me gr4327@yahoo.com.au and I will pass on there details.
Adios amigo.
Aussie Greg.
Aussie Greg,
Since Medellin is a potential next stop on my Colombia crusades I would love to hear more details about your trip. Not just mongering but your complete impressions of the city. Have a great trip back mate.
In Cali right now. was in Bogota but Cali is like heaven compared to Bogota...
Have a very special friend that I will report on a little latter.
Just wanted to say I am here and if any other mongers are coming or are here, let me know.
I am staying at Hotel Don Jaime.
Surfer - hope to see you here tonight. (Saturday) Room 304.
Dollar Bill$
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Antifreeze,
Heading bshok to Cali tomorrow AM. Maybe on Monday AM, if you are up to "no good," maybe we could make the tour of your favorite spots. Saw and partied a little bit with Surfer last night. He told me that you had a beautiful friend working at Farrion. I would like to meet her friends. I know that your friend is taken already so I won't go down that road!
I will be staying at the Don Jaime again. I hope to be in room 304 as that is a room with ORGY written all over it!!!
We be in touch!
Dollar Bill$
Dollar Bill,
I am leaving for Pereira tonight. The city where all women have a hearing problem: "You tell them to sit down, and they actually lay down".
I will be doing the caballata there. For those who do not know, a caballata is a horse ride where you get yourself drunk on the horse back and then wonder that with all the advances in technology, a horse can bring you back home and a car still don't...
I may get back Saturday night since we have another party at some friends place, but maybe not. The plans are dangerously in the hands of my wife. Latinas normaly spend half their energy making plans and the other half enjoying not respecting them. So, if I'm in town on Sunday, let's go up las tres cruces together.
gidday slick, antifreeze ect !!
slick, sorry for not getting back to you sooner, had a lot on my plate on my return to aussie.
my impressions on medellin, well it is my prefered city in colombia so far. given that i have not been to the coast yet and only been to two city's, cali and medellin. i think now that i have a bit of piasa in me, or i've put a bit of aussie in a few piasa's. if you speak to antifreeze well he will tell you cali is his choice.
i like medellin because it is more like a european city, shopping malls, there are many more trees in the city, the air is cleaner, two golf cources, another girlfriend of mine, well her brother was a caddie, and the people are different to.
the woman are generally taller, whiter and i think it is right what they write about the picas's chicks is that they go for what they want and usally get it ( men ) and dont care if they are married or have a boy friend.
one time i went to a hospital to see a girlfriend who worked their, all her friends came out of their officers to meet me. i ended up rooting a firiend of hers the next night who wanted me, they know what they want and will do anything to get it, even root there girlfriends boyfriend!
as for the monger spots, i think you dont need them if your like us slick, all you do is go shopping, find someone you like and go for it. medellin does not have the gringo's that cali has. i used to hate shopping but now in medellin i just love it, they all know you are a gringo because of how we look, they just stare at you with their big eye's, i've never been raped !!! so many times by their eye's. i just love it.
anyway i hope there is something in this for you slick, how is your mate going, the boy from jamacia! regards to him.
aussie greg.
Aussie Greg,
Hello Mate!
Glad to see you made it back Ok.
I think you have persuaded me to try Medellin on my next foray into Colombia. Although my little Calena, who really is from Pereira, wants me to visit with her family in Pereira, you have convinced me that I need to check out the land of the Paisa. Taller, whiter, less Americans, thats enough for me. Glad to hear the Paisa can stare you down just like the Calena. I'll tell the Jamaican you say hello.
Gotta agree with Aussie Greg that Medellin is a nicer CITY (cooler, cleaner, nicer malls, more scenic etc.), but from a mongering perspective I must respectfully disagree (though he spent MUCH more time in Medellin than I did). Prices for everything (including pros) are DEFINITELY higher (and options MUCH more limited), and I did not find the Paisa as flirty, sexy or forward as the Calena. If blondes are your thing, then Medellin may be your preference as the gringa look is more common. For those that prefer the sultry morena, however, Cali remains the bomb IMHO.
The paisa do not dress NEARLY as sexy as Calenas (more "refined" & "classy" dressing, more European, but less sexy IMHO). Perhaps it was my timing being there during the "big" event of the year, the Flower Festival, when the town was PACKED and they were in family groups etc. I also met one Paisa who REALLY rocked my World so I spent most my time with her (in fact, when I took antifreeze to one of Medellin's top casas, Loutron, I abstanied as I was literally "drained" from my amiga!).
And regarding Medellin having less gringos, I can count the total I have seen during two trips to Cali on one hand (though I avoid the Hotel Inter and see no need for an "agency", so perhaps by avoiding their preferred hotel I have been insulated.
Argentina ....? Buenos Aires
I believe Medellin is the best town to meet a nice, beautiful, down to earth chica. If you speak spanish you can easily do it on your own .. if not, go thru a service like I posted about here before on the Medellin page (see: www.colombiansweethearts.com).
Also another service is opening soon in Medellin and the owner is a really cool guy. More about this soon once it's up and running.
Buenos Aires ... in my opinion ... nice looking ladies ... hot! ... but not nearly as approachable as the Colombianas.
Just my humble opinion once again.
Suerte!
Hi Guys,
have to agree with Ricker here...allthough I think also in Cartagena,Barranquilla and other larger cities one can find a "nice girl".
Indeed many argentinian women are VERY arogant and down right stock up. That is what at least 3 Americans have told me (which I know)that were allready there.
Hot...pretty...sure.....but a good life mate?? I doubt it.
IMHO Colombia and Brasil are the countries were the chicks are.
Argentina can be ok for mongering...but looking there for a wife??
Johan.
Maybe it is because there are so many blondes among the Paisa, so my looks are less unique, but I got LESS flirty looks in Medellin than any just about any other city in Colombia (save perhaps Cartagena).
IMHO, the "best" places are the mid-sized cities which are off the main path of visitors (BOG-CLO-MDE-CTG). I have a personal favorite, but I won't be posting it here (sorry).
Guys,
Is Cali or Columbia in general a good place for bareback full service? I'm in Asia, where this is redily available, and as much as I want to try Latinas, I don't want to spend a lot of money to fuck a rubber. I've heard Brazil and Argentina are not good for this, wonder if Columbia is any better?
Opebo,
Based on my experience, I would say its fairly easy to screw chicas bareback in Colombia. Obviously, theres many factors that play into this equation as every situation is different. For me, it was most easily available with the non and semi-pro girls. Of the ten calenas I had sex with, I went bareback with 5 of them. 2 of the girls were non-pros who had very few sexual partners prior to me (not that this matters). The other 3 chicas I would categorize as semi-pros. I met them thru a friend as the girls were just getting started in the pay 4 play game. The other 5 girls I was with, I didnt have a desire to go bareback even if it was offered. One of the girls was a SW, and others were seasoned pros who were a little on the trashy side.
I do remember one of the non pros asking me to put on a rubber. She was concerned about getting pregnant. I told her to trust me and also let her know I was too drunk for release. I think the rest allowed bareback because they were into the moment and wanted to feel the extra sensation that one gets when going sin condon.
As in the States, there are the inherent risks of going bareback which we are all aware of. For me, I treat every situation different and Im actually open to more bareback sex in Latin America then in the states. As I meet more non-pro girls from Latin America, I find they have less sexual partners (havent gone to Brazil) then their US counterparts. Most have only had 1 to 3 sexual partners and never engaged in one night stands. Of course, just because a girl has had few sexual partners doesnt totally diminish the risk of disease (especially since most of the dudes in Latin America cheat on their girlfriends.) Therein is the risk reward factor and one I'm willing to accept.
With that being said, there are situations where I will absolutely NOT go bareback. These include When a pro tells you bareback is okay if you pay extra. The chica in general has bad hygiene. The chica is a seasoned pro or a SW.
Be careful out there Opebo. Realize that its a numbers game and probably just a matter of time before yourself or I come down with something. Hopefully, carefully choosing your partner will lessen this risk.
Late,
Judd
I posted several photos yesterday in the 'photos section' of chicas i recently found in both Cali and Medellin.
Disfrute.
I know some of you veterans spend a lot of time or maybe even live in Cali, or other parts of Colombia.
I'm a 55 year-old American guy who spent a few weeks in Cali a few years ago and fell in love with Colombia, Cali, and most especially, las Calenas.
I'm retiring later this year, have a good nest egg and would like to live in Cali. However, I would like to have some kind of small, income-generating business there since my nest egg is not of sufficient size to carry me for what I hope is many more years on this beautiful planet.
So, my question to any of you who is in the know: Can a gringo legally own a business, and live legally in Colombia? Many thanks for any input.
LomeTogo,
I live and work in Cali. Getting a legal status that doesn't force you to get out of Colombia every couple of months is a pain in the butt. There are 2 ways around this: 1) get married, or 2) a bribe in the right hands. Getting married should take you 1-2 weeks. That is a walk in the park. Provided that you do not intend to live oversees, you get rid of the passport diggers. Now you are left to spot the golddiggers and move on.
As for having a business in Colombia, it's pretty much a pain in the butt. I personally chose not to do that because of the inherent complexity of the system. Quick example: your invoice numbers... When you right an invoice in Colombia, you can not pick just any number. You need to have a number range (about 1000 at a time) approved by the government (NIT). If you lose any of those invoices, you're in trouble. Your accounting needs to have them reproduced in there and so on. So, bottom line is that you'll need to get in line for a couple of hours every second month to go and beg for numbers; who wants that??? After that, there is the bank mess. In Colombia, you can't just put a check in an enveloppe and send it (they get stolen, photocopied), for every bill that you get (including your business), you need to go at a different bank (the bank of the issuer of the bill), and pay it in cash there. That's a whole lot of banks to visit for a business. For those fun trips, I have a guy with his moto that does it for me for about $3/hour. But still, it's quite a mess. I prefer opening my bank account in Panama also. They are in US dollars and totally confidential.
I"m headed to Cali next month and need some information. Does anybody know if the Hotel Valle Real is close to Flores Frescas?
ALDO7,
That hotel is not close enough to walk to Flores frescas, However it is a short taxi ride for about 2500 pesos each way. Flores frescas is over priced and in my opinion I think way over rated.You can often do better than that both in quality and price in the many houses in Cali or even off the street, but that is only one man's opinion.
AA has a special fare, a weekend web-only fare, $319, MIA to Cali or Medellin, depart only Oct/15-17, return only Oct/19-21 (or is that 20-22?).
Guys:
Studying Spanish abroad 6-10 months is my plan. Mexico was my choice at first. Ive been Mexico several times and have some friends there, but its little pricey. Colombia is much cheaper. Antifreeze,Ricker,Sufer, and other experts, what's my best bet. Cali or Medellin?
Money is a big issue in my case. After car and condo payments, I only have $700-1000month to spend. Does it enough cover rent, food, mongering, and cab? Yes, the safety issue. Studying in Colombia is little risk mission. I dont mind some adventures, but it sucks if youre kidnapped for ransom or robbed every other day. So, Medellin or Cali, which one is better for longer stay. Thanks, guys.
supertomcat001,
Medellin is not as secure as Cali. Medellin is surrounded by mountains that are host to paramilitaries and other self pronounced police.
I have lived in Cali for more than 6 months now. I go to work every day in bus ($0.25) and I and my familly (3 persons) live on $1200/month. So, $700/month is plenty of money here if you do not go in one of those special appartments for foregners that charge up to $40/day. I live in an 1800 sq. foot appartment that costs about $225/month (with security guards downstairs and indoor parking lot). I live the way colombians do, and that is the way to go in Cali.
I encourage you to come to Cali. You could even get private Spanish lessons from a cuttie in a bed...
Good luck!
Antifreeze,
I will be coming sown to stay for a couple months to and I am in a similiar situation to supertomcat001. If you could can you please give me any recomendations for an affordable place to stay? I would love to have a place like yours as the size and rent is great, however I was under the impression that it is hard to get a apartment for a short term like that because 1) Apartments like that typically require 6-12 month leases, and 2) most would be unfurnished so it would not be practical for someone staying a few months.
In your experience is it possible to find nice, furnished, apartments, houses for rent on a month to month basis, and if so where would be a good place to look?
Thanks in advance.
Yo Tomcat: I agree with Antifreeze and would probably choose Cali over Medellin, especially if cost is critical. Primary advantages of Medellin are a milder climate (Cali is tropical), better malls, and more golf courses. Not sure I agree with freeze that security is worse in Medellin, but he has spent more time in Cali than me (lucky bastard!). But then the city is not where you are likely to run into the FARC anyway, they hang in the countryside.
There are also more white skinned blondes if that is your thing (I prefer Morenas).
After visiting Colombia, "vacationing" in Mexico would be like voluntering to go to prison instead of paradise. Ask Dollar Bill, he lives in Mexico but NOW he knows Colombia!
Antifreeze,
Thanks for your information and always great posts. I have been in Cali about 8 times now and getting ready to take the plunge and move there. Can you tell me how you found your apartment and in what area do you live? I usually stay in an aparta hotel but it is not practical for long term. Per day it is very nice but about 32 dollars a day. I am looking to stay in the North area around Grenada or Santa Monica.These are more expensive areas but a bit quieter. I enjoy the nightlife in Cali but prefer the Blues Brothers Bar or the London Bar for music & drinking. These are easily the most popular bars for expats and visitors from the USA and Europe.As for the women, many Cali girls know the reputation of the cliental of these bars and go there with the express purpose of meeting a new friend.
Anyway, thank you again for your posts they are very honest and helpful.
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Antifreeze:
Thanks for those tips, $225/month apartment with security guards sounds a great deal, but on your old posts you said that foreigners couldnt rent without "propredad raise" or any income. Whats the deal?
Surfer:
I wouldnt worry about FARC. States department gives us bullshit all the time. What I consider is street crimes, such as robbery, scam, and pocketpicker, etc I don't want end in a ditch after getting in a cab. BTW, which one has more blondes. Meddllin or Cali?
Hi guys,
I am sorry about the time it took to answer. I was stuck in New-York and Canada for 2 weeks enjoying the lack of a sex life with the prelude of winter.
Yes, rent is cheap... But the type of paperwork that is involved is a pain in the butt. I was able to get around those requirements by paying 3 months in advance. You may be able to do the same with a reasonable landloard that would understand your situation. This is somewhat risky also though. Your landloard may as well kick you out the day after you've paid. So keep the right paperwork so you have something to hold to if worst comes to worst.
I am sorry not to be able to be more specific about where to find rent. I would suggest starting with El Pais (http://www.elpais-cali.com).
Good luck
Freeze
I realize many of the people on this board are in the know about Cali and do not need anyone to help them find their way when they visit.However, for the guys who are looking for a guide to the nightlife, someone who has full knowledge of the "Casas" , and more importantly how and where to meet ladies that party, then Andres Morales is your man. He is a fun resourceful young guy who is fully fluent in English after having lived in the states many years.His rates are very reasonable as well as negotiable. Andres can also arrange airport pick up and cheap hotels by request. In Cali, he is a very good friend to have.
His contact : calidude_co@yahoo.com
Regards,
Shaft57
If I needed a guide for Cali, which I don't, I would choose Andres too. He is young & hip, and is a really nice guy who would be a great partner for chasing nonpros in discos and the like.
Supertomcat: While I agree that the State Department cries wolf way too much, and I do NOT give much credence to its warnings, I wouldn't so cavalierly discount the risk of kidnapping by FARC if you venture into the countryside. Not saying it cannot be done, but to deny the VERY REAL risk is courting trouble IMHO. Colombia is a country where trouble can find you in a hurry, even if you are NOT seeking it out. And the CONSEQUENCES of being unlucky are drastic (word has it they relish in torturing/killing Americans whose families refuse to pay the ransom demands).
surfer is right. while chances are nothing will happen, dont ever kid yourself and think that it cant. it can be a very dangerous place to be and life means
i will tell you something that i worry more about then being kidnapped and that is being put in jail down there. i know a guy that went down there five months ago and had a local guy hook him up with a girl for some action. well come to find out the girl was ****, even though she said she was legal. the police had been watching this local guy as i guess someone had reprted him. well they threw him and the guy i know in jail and he is still in jail going on 5 months.
even if your not with **** girls, as a visitor your pretty much guilty until proven innocent there so keep your nose extra clean.
Slick, Antifreeze, Aussie and others, thanks for the good reports about this undervisited sex paradise ;
I am a regular of Brasil (Sampa and others inland cities) and all that have been said here in this Colombia thread gave me a strong desire to visit soon Cali and Medellin : many bars, discos, pick-up places have been reported, thanks for it, but the only things i couldn't find in the discussions are hotels ;
someone reported Inter as a pain in the arse for bringing girls, so what could be the others alternatives for some good AND guest friendly hotels (with in-room safe, and pool if possible) ;
Thanks in advance for any answer (any hotels infos about Mendellin and Baranquilla are welcome too) ;
Cheers
in barranquilla, hotel prado is the upscale option (more than us$50). if it is beyond your budget, still stay in el prado rather than centro. i stayed at this moorish themed place recommended by lonely planet (about $25) but i forgot the name. could find it if you want.
in cali, the budget minded monger's hotel of choice is hotel don jaime on avenida sexta right in the heart of the action. cost about $20. bellhop gustavo speaks great english and is a very connected kind of guy if you get my drift.
the story about the guy being set up by the police with the **** girl is frigtening. if you have any more info on the incident, i would be very interested as i have some friends living in cali and also know some of the sexta street girls. my email is xtnsurfer@hotmail.com. thanks.
Opps, forgot to give info on Medellin. In Medellin you MUST stay in the Poblado section. Hotel Plaza Rosa gets rave reviews for good value but was full when I was there during the Flower Festival in August. I stayed at Hotel Mercure near the Oveido shopping center which is HIGHLY recommended! InterC is old, isolated up on the hill, but is close to many good entertainment options.
I also do know a place with pool and inroom safe in Cali that is WAY more upscale than Don Jaime but prefer to share it by email.
Surfer, thanks for your answers, it's this kind of mongers fraternity which make WSG the best of all !...
About Cali, as (in my eyes) being in the heart of red light district (heart of action ?) should not be a good choice for the 'image' given to the non-pros (as staying in Copacabana in Rio target you immediatly as a sex tourist), i'm more interested with your upscale choice (if it's guest friendly :) !)
Prado in Barranquilla and Mercure in Mendellin seems to be very good choices ;
BTW, what are your options to take a girl a few days in a beach resort or any cool place ?
Cheers
Pro
If you really like a chica, San Andreas Island is a great place to take her. Make arrangements in a Colombian agencia de Viajes (travel agency) ... much cheaper.
Plenty of flights from all the major cities in Colombia ... included with your package from the travel agency.
Also Santa Marta is a cool place to take a chica ... northern Colombia.
By the way ... Ave Sexta is not a red light district in Cali ... chicas will not think your a sex fiend if you stay in a hotel there. You'll have a better time ... closer to discos / cafes if you're there too.
In Medellin ... Hotel Plaza Rosa if it's available is your best bet. Definitely not in a red light district.
Ricker thanks the infos ;
Av Sexta in Cali sounds good as to stay in a lively area with regulars bars and cafes is a real ++ for me ; Surfer reported the Don Jaime, any other alternative in a more upscale guestfriendly place ?
Thanks
Pro
Pro,
I liked Rigo's place, Hostal San Fernando, as a bargain yet quite sufficiently nice place (very clean!). www.hotelcali.com. Great neighborhood, safe, and short cab to everywhere.
There is no redlight district in Cali (or none as obvious). Yet, I discovered that Av. Sexta area was quite worthless for about anything (other than nasty - yet an occasional find - streetwalkers). The restaurants there are not good compared to other spots... the bars are not populated with hottie non-pros... and it's not necessarily the area of casas (pro action), although it's nearby.
I have more detail in my extensive trip report which was in Jul-03.
Hi guys:
I read reports on electronic translators on one of these posts. Unfortunately, I don't remember which one, and I didn't copy the brand names down! If anyone has suggestions, I'd appreciate a post at This1greatman@yahoo.com. This would be of benefit to all us mongers.
Leo, thanks for the advice about San Fernando Hotel and the atmosphere on Sexta avenue : when you say that the bars there are not populated with some hotties non-pros, where are they to be found :) ?
Thanks in advance
Cheers
Pro
I give a ton of detail on nonpro spots, in my trip report (july?) in this cali thread. Malls, bars, clubs, other places - times, concerns, plans, etc.
Post any specific questions so I can help further.
Leo, i've been throught the thread some weeks ago but for whatever reason missed your post !!
Now found and printed it ; Thanks
Cheers
Pro
Pro,
When you going? I'll (we'll) be very interested to see how your trip went... hear your stories!
Leo, i'll arrive in Sao Paulo on 26 December, for New year's Eve in one of the good clubs there, then a little side trip to Goiania, back to Sampa and leaving to Cali around 12 January (flight Varig SP/Bogota) : i can't wait to meet some Calenas !!
Cheers
Does anybody have any info on how cel phone works in Cali. I havea cingular GSM phone. Can I buy any sim card in Cali to work with my tri band celluar phone?
I'm a regular on the Cuban forum, but have decided to take the plunge and try out Cali. Based on the posts I've read here, it sounds perfect.
Shaft57 - You endorsed Andreas as a guide. What did you pay him per day? Did it include gas?
Some posters say I should bring US currency and exchange it at black marker rates. I saw the exchange rate in a currency converter as 2.9 CP to the US dollar. Can I expect that rate down there?
I'm looking for a place to stay. It sounds like the north end of Cali is the safest. I want some creature comforts and room, but don't want to pay the Intercontinental rates. An apart hotel or apartment would be great. I want to have access to a pool and either a balcony or courtyard so that I can hang out outside. Any advice would be appreciated.
I'm looking for a place where to spend new year's eve and talking with a girl from Cali she told me that every year there's a big convenction of salsa bands (feria) and the whole town is quite a nice place to be during that period. Anyone that has been there can confirm ? What would be instead a nice location to relax by the beach ? I like kind of untouched places and don't mind having to travel a little before getting to the city for action.
I was in Cali last XMAS season ... it was a blast! Lots of chicas from all over Colombia. Every night was like a Friday night.
If I remember correctly though ... the first week of the year (after New Years eve party) ... it is absolutely dead ... the casas with chicas ... the streets ... everything.
Right before XMAS and up to Dec 31 is really fun ... people are ready for a party!
El Colorado, see my post of Jun-2003 for some info.
It is nearly always best to use an ATM in foreign countries (economically speaking) vs. exchanging US/Euro currency, using a CC, or using travelers checks.
Regarding a black market rate of 2.9 (if I read you correctly) - the FX is currently 2,860 more or less - about the same as the 2.9 so why bother with any extra risk?
-Leo
Leo - Thanks for your response. I checked out your summer 2003 posts and picked up some good tips. A few questions if you don't mind.
Did you use a guide like Ramon, Carlos or Andreas? If so, what did you pay them per day? Can you make a recommendation?
Is the pool at Hostel San Fernando or at the club. How far is the club from the Hostel? Was the hostel chica friendly for girls other than agency girls? What were you charged per day for viewing and setting up dates from the hostel's listing of women?
Are there outdoor places to hang out during the day at the hostel?
Is the south end of Cali as safe as the north end?
Did you stay anywhere else in Cali?
Thanks in advance.
El Colorado
i'll answer the questions in a post, vs. private email, in case other wish to follow along... sorry if that's the wrong approach.
Did you use a guide like Ramon, Carlos or Andreas?
my friends had a guy named raul - but i'm more of an anti-guide type. i love having to speak spanish, and shy away from english speaking girls... true the guides can take you places you might not know about, but wsg has so much detail on 80-90% of all the places you'll need to hit (unless you're there for months).
If so, what did you pay them per day?
it was more of an hourly thing i believe... or arranged for a day... maybe one of them can follow up, i think they read here.
Can you make a recommendation?
sorry, i'm not the right guy to recommend in this area.
Is the pool at Hostel San Fernando or at the club. How far is the club from the Hostel?
the pool is at the club. it is 5-6 blks, so walking distance if you want a little walk, taxi (like us$1) if you just showered and it's sweltering out. there is a nice drug store, juice/smoothy place, supermarket, and 3-4 atms between the places, so i walked often.
Was the hostel chica friendly for girls other than agency girls? What were you charged per day for viewing and setting up dates from the hostel's listing of women?
it's more like an apartment in that regard, so you can do what you like - have 3 girls over at once i guess - they don't care (unless you create a disturbance). i don't know if they have any listing, or can help you by providing a meeting... i never asked for that (given it's so easy to meet girls in casas, malls, street, bars, discos).
Are there outdoor places to hang out during the day at the hostel?
not really... only a very small couryard suitable for a coffee/bfst... waiting for a taxi... just talking...
Is the south end of Cali as safe as the north end?
both have equally safe and dangerous areas - you really can't categorize it like that. the areas like santa monica, av sexta, chipechape are safe, in the south, and probably better than staying south. but hostal s.f. is not in the south - more of the central. unicentro mall is in the south, and it's a distance (maybe 6000 pesos taxi) away.
Did you stay anywhere else in Cali?
i didn't... i've only visited once. i have friends who have stayed at rayda apts, intercontinental, a friend has a place in santa monica (it's kind of remote though).
13 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
Colombia rocks!
Yesterday before leaving Medellin for Cali (due to the total lack of decent hotel rooms due to a horse show) again I met a couple of the sweetest young cuties in the food court at Oviedo.
I am in Cali now. Posts to follow.
Private message me if you are in town.
Someone mentioned a swing club a while back in Cali. Does anyone remember what its name is and where it is? I have searched and cannot find it. Is it Club Ecstacy?
14 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
Yesterday went to a casa on Avenida 9B. 4 women, none better than a 5 (scale of 10 not 100 you perverts), but all sympatica, so I passed. This place is not recommended.
Last night hit Avenida Sexta. Went for an early nut with a 19 year old streetwalker - and for a streetwalker, what a beauty. As soon as we hit the room, my hotel room, she was naked in bed masturbating herself until she came. What a horny little girl she was. Total price 40,000 pesos or about US$15. Now tell me, all you sorry fucks stuck in the Police States of America, would you have gone for it even if streetwalkers arenīt your thing? Duh.
The scene around Mysti-K and the Forum Club is hopping. They are both located near Avenida Sexta and Calle 25. I am not into dark nightclubs so the numerous outdoor cafes on Avenida Sexta were just perfect for me. Great scene if you like friendly pretty young non-professional women. If you donīt, then you should stay away. In fact, considering how effin dangerous it is here, it is probably better that you stay away even if you like friendly pretty young women.
Things you can do in Cali safely:
1) Bone as many beautiful young women as is manly possible.
2) Dine in as many gourmet restaurants as is manly possible.
3) Hail a taxi on the street.
4) Bone as many beautiful young women as is manly possible.
Things you can't do in Cali safely:
1) Get shit-faced drunk and fall asleep on the street.
Today's plan is Avenida 2N this morning and then a mall scene around 5 or 6 this evening. Reports tomorrow.
Hey Stud.
I know a good place to stay in Cali rund by a cool American if you need it. About $25.00 a day.
Man in Panama
For you Colombian vets out there: I have mongered in Costa Rica as it has a great variety of latin women (my favorite). I love Colombians and have always thought of hitting Colombia as a destination to monger.
I would love some information as where to stay in Cali and where to monger. I am young so I would be open to go after the non-pros and the locals. My spanish is improving so I know that is a plus.
My biggest detterent is the safety issue. I have heard both sides of the argument.
Is there a person who can give me good guidelines on how to monger in Cali. I will definitely be a newbie and would love instructions on where to stay, where to go and even whether I should just stick to Costa Rica as Colombians are available there (albeit for a much higher price) Also is there a guide or service that is in Cali who can guide me for a fee. I would love some price info as well as the cost of hotels, taxis, girls, clubs.- thank you in Advance.
Maverick207
StudPlayer - Where are you staying? Can you describe the accomodations and tell us what you are paying? What side of Cali had the explosions and gun battle? El Pais said nothing about it today.
Man - How do I get in contact with the American who has the place to stay? What is it like? Is it totally chica friendly?
Here is the link:
http://www.calihotel.com/
16 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
El Colorado, obviously you did not understand that the parts about bombings and a running gun battle were complete jokes. Believe what you want in the fear-mongering government-controlled international media but this place seems no more dangerous and no safer than any city anywhere in the world. At times, if you did not know better, you would think you were in Cannes or Beverly Hills. At other times, you could be in any inner-city burnt-out slum anywhere in the world. Just use some sense and you will be fine.
Avenida 2N Scene - good, definitely some talent available but you need to shop around. Not a bad neighborhood but on the fringe of the good neighborhood so be careful there. The Doctor of Love place is undergoing remodeling but there are other places in this neighborhood.
A comparison of Unicentro and Chipechapa - Chipe has tons of security guards while Uni considerably less. Chipe is close to the Hotel Intercontinental, Uni is far. Women are more abundant at Chipe. There is a casino at Uni. So you can see for me it is a tough choice! (El Colorado, this is another joke in case you miss it.)
This is one of those 3 day weekends so the town is a little empty of nenas (I hope this is the case) but it is still real easy to have fun.
Hey Studplayer. I have heard varying reports about the Casas. One guy said he'd been to 40 casas and could only find 2 women he found attractive. He said that he'd been to 29 countries and Cali was worst city he'd ever been in for P4P. That sounds rather unbelievable considering the reports to the contrary.
Anyways.... I have a personal interest in this as I'm going there in about 13 days!
Poobah, in my experience, the casas are hit and miss. I have been to casas where I politely excused myself as there were no attractive women there and other times I have been to casas (especially the Avenida 2N casas) where there are 2 or 3 attractive women working.
In truth however you need not even go to a casa. The Calenas are very happy to meet and speak with men and especially a gringo. Donīt expect instant service though from a non-pro like you might elsewhere.
My opinions of course are based on only a few days of experience. I am just starting to get the hang of this place. Give me more time here and perhaps I will modify my ideas on this. All in all though Cali seems to be a great town and like I said in another post, here it is safe to hail a cab on the street.
If any Cali locals are around and want to show me around a little, the drink tabs are on me. Just private message me here on this board.
Sunday night report
Went and got a fox of a street walker to gain entrance to the swing club which is Spartacus the rest of the time except Sunday nights. What a mistake that was. Entrance was 50,000 pesos, about US$19 and of course this fox of a streetwalker started talking about getting paid before the end of the night and just generally acted badly. After cautioning her I would pay her afterwards and if she kept it up we would leave, we left. I took her to my hotel for a perfectly satisfactory session including photos afterwards. Expect photos soon as I have yet to enter the digital camera age. I do not recommend going to this swing club. There were 7 other couples there, all middle aged and the facility was hot and humid inside without beds. At 10 oclock in the evening everyone was just sitting around with their spouse/date and not interacting with others.
The scene around Mysti-K is really young and there is another club around the corner called the Podium and that is the club that was hopping tonight. If you happen to be a middle aged guy like myself however, forget trying to connect with any of these younger non-pros, it just doesn't work.
Cali is generally a pretty laid back place. I went to Tienda Vieja earlier in the evening but was refused admission because I was wearing shorts. No big as discos are really not my thing. Afterwards, I took a long long walk around the neighborhood and it seemed perfectly safe to me.
As far as grabbing a cab is concerned, only use a radio taxi. You can identify them by the radio antenna on the trunk. There are 3 different companies with these phone numbers : 3333333 ; 4444444; and 5555555. Other taxis may or may not give you the run around as happened to me this evening - no big, I told the driver to stop, paid him the US$1 fare and got out and got in one of the radio taxis. A cheap bad experience easily solved.
There is a casino at Unicentro in which 21 is played with the dealer receiving 2 cards before the players act. I prefer this over blackjack here where the dealer receives his second card after all the players have acted. A blackjack is paid immediately even if the dealer also has a blackjack which is a real advantage. There are no 10's in the deck although there are face cards.
There is a beer here called Poker. Guess what brand I drink. Quite fitting I think.
Thatīs all for now. More tomorrow.
Prices here are absolutely dirt cheap. I just went shopping at a major grocery store here, called Ley (how appropriate) and this is what is was able to buy for US$11 : 2 cans of coke, 3 packs of marlboro, 75 meters of johnson and johnson dental floss, a large package of oreos, a meter tape (a professional measuring tape, remember I plan on buying a place and it is somewhat important to know how big a place is), a liter of premium orange juice and 2 cans of Heineken.
This is one of those famous 3 day weekends so while the town is quiet I still have been able to have fun.
I agree about casas - very hit and miss. In fact, much more miss... but certainly you can find gems. Cali is so great for the non-pros, that I was always ok with the casas only being so-so or hit/miss.
On the other hand, 20 minute casa program is like us$10 - so why not just negotiate a BBBJ/TC CIM with no FS for that us$10? I mean, if you look at it that way, the casas work for you much better... a nice start to an evening searching for non-pros at the clubs... or before hitting the malls at about 5p for non-pros there...
Hey all,
Just come back from Cali. Good place, no safety problem (even when i get back at midnight).
A good place where there are show with girls : la FRESCA ROSA (ask a taxi) it will open at 9 pm but the better time is 10h30 pm.
If you want to meet girls a good link: http://www.allcolombiangirls.com/gallery.php.
Else my friend who live there will open shortly a streap tease casa. I'll give you the adress after.
How can a man grow 20 years younger in one night?
Do what I did last night. There are some hot streetwalkers along Avenida Sexta starting around 9 in the evening. Got a sweet young thang early in the evening and just the memory of that sweet young ass getting in the elevator at the hotel is enough to get me hot again. Total cost about US$15, although you can do it for as little as US$11 but good service demands fair compensation. Later in the evening, returned to Avenida Sexta, another sweet young thang, nice long massage (negotiated before-hand) and another sweet (or is it sweat?) time. So there you have it, here is the formula for growing 20 years younger in one night.
Just got finished having a great sushi lunch with Antifreeze and his sweet wife at Chipechape. We are planning on hitting a couple of casas tomorrow afternoon - but not with his wife.
Report to follow.
Cali rocks!
21 November 2003 Cali, Colombia
Yesterday I did a little casa hopping. There are some hot hot hot casas in the south part of the city.
I ended up at the Doctor of Love with Wendy - I think that was her name. One hour, 34,000 pesos or US$13, more or less. Due the high quality of service, I left a generous 10,000 peso tip (about US$3.50) stating I intended to be generous due to the high quality of her service. From what I could gather, a 5000 peso tip is about normal.
While Wendyīs service was top notch, I realized I got "gringoed" on the room which was room number 5 (to be avoided). It was noisy, the Coke guy came and you could hear him throwing Coke bottles around, everyone talking out in the hall, etc. I donīt know about everyone else but I like peace and quiet, a rare commodity in this increasingly crowded world. To make a long story short, after the excellent session I asked for and spoke with the "jeffe" and told him, in Spanish, exactly what had happened, that I did not appreciate the noise and please not to "gringo" me again. I think he was surprised by my Castillian Spanish.
Hit the Unicentro casino in the evening, a beautiful young calena estudiante sat down next to me, and even though she was with an amigo, we just had the nicest time together. She is planning on meeting me there again tonight, sin amigo - that is, if I can make it. You get the picture - a beautiful young calena wants to meet me at the casino and I am not sure I can make it! Adios Estados Unidos!
(Yes Jackson, I know this is an English only board but a little Spanish here and there for emphasis is ok, isnīt it?)
This morning my laundry was delivered by a laundry service I had pick up my clothes yesterday. Pants pressed and on a nice plastic hanger, 3 shirts pressed and on nice plastic hangers, a weekīs worth of underwear and socks - total price 9000 pesos or about US$3, including pick-up and delivery service.
I know, itīs a tough life but somebody has to live it.
I have a couple of things that will probably not be well received, but here goes. First, Colombia IS a dangerous place. I know many Colombians in Miami who are afraid to visit right now. If you look gringo, your risks are much higher. A friend of mine recently got married in Cali and when he was at the Inter-Continental casino with his future wife, a group of men started harassing him and when he confronted them, one guy showed him a gun right in the casino. The casino security was no help at all. My friend had the impression that these were big narco trafficing guys that were close with the casino owners. My friend left soon after and he noticed one of the men following him out. He literally spent the next 2 weeks waiting for the wedding locked in his hotel room due to his fear. A bit of an over-reaction, but it shows you what can happen. The reason it's worse now than before is the US government is making life extremely difficult for the narco guys.
Second, I know everyone who gives a good tip means well and I'm glad to see people treating the women well, but keep in mind the other side of tipping well. When you give them a good tip, they feel they've been charging too little. So the prices come up. The tips keep coming, and the prices keep rising. After several iterations, we'll be approaching US prices in Colombia. This may seem silly, but it's true. If you talk to the old-timers, they'll tell you it's happened at great sex destinations all over the world.
The deals we make with these women are completely negotiable. To the girl, is sex worth $10, $100, or $200? The answer is it's worth whatever the previous guy was willing to pay.
There are others ways of tipping the girls. You can treat them with respect and kindness, pay attention to their sexual needs, or even take them out for a drink or dinner. None of these will raise the prices and the girls will probably appreciate these things more.
kdog,
Excellent post. I agree that you need to come to Colombia with your brain and your balls (not your brain in your balls). Sometimes you need one, sometimes you need the other. There are plenty of great things happening here, but also some pretty serious stuff. As an example, often during weekends (Friday and Saturday nights), drunks are driving while shooting in the air on my street (a little scary provided that I live on the 9th floor). This is the type of thing that one could imagine that police could fix, but police work is useless in here. Policemen are rich of a situation that provides them with the opportunity to bribe normal people for money, not much more.
El Colorado,
I am happy to meet with anyone that respects minimal decency standards (no hard drugs, not chasing 12 years old kids). If you fit those standards, send me your e-mail address, I'll get in touch with you. If not, do not botter getting in touch with me, we are not made to connect. My experience though is that a lot of people coming to Colombia do not meet those minimal standards and I do not have much respect for that (they just come to Colombia to do the shit they rightfully can't do in the US or else). Consequently, after many encounters with such people, I figured that the statistic was not good in regards to meeting gringos in Colombia. Chasing women is one thing that I can relate to, but they still need to be respected. Those women went through Hell most of the time, and truly could use a break. Colombian men do not treat them well, and they are truly jewels that call for respect. I've met many women that are marriage material even in casas. They just got there by a series of misfortune of life, and are decent people struggling for their lives and often even their family.
Good post Antifreeze.
I too have met some great guys on my trips and some real losers. Personally while I think many men do not fit the stereotypical 'sex tourist' some seem like the definition was written for them. I get a little cautious b/c some seem completely socially inept, have the chick's tits out in a nanosecond, asking in their horribly fractured Spanglish if they can bone her without a condom and then complaining they didn't get the GFE!!
The reason I go to foreign countries is to meet people (with an emphasis on women). I try to learn the language (at least enough to get by) b/c what is fun for me is the adventure, the chance to talk/laugh/joke with a cute chica and enjoy myself. While I've engaged in the 'point and click' shag, I usually find that less interesting. Esp. as I get older.
Anyways, I am going to be there in about 10 days. Can't wait. See you then.
The Poo
Sunday Nov 23, 2003 written in Medellin, Colombia
Gentlemen (and I use this term loosely),
There is so much to say about Cali I hope this post does not get too long.
While I had a GREAT time in Cali, I decided that it was not the place I wanted to live on a full time basis. The casas are great and there are many of them. The streetwalkers are great and there are many of them.
However, since Cali is a pueblo (read "small town" in English) I found it exceedingly difficult, impossible, to meet regular non-working women (for anything more than a casual chit-chat) as is so easy to do in other cities throughout the world. Perhaps I am socially inept or just getting older but I do not encounter this in Medellin or other cities. In fact, just this afternoon at the Cali airport I met 2 sweet young ladies from Bogota and we are planning on getting together in the coming weeks. One is even considering coming to Medellin to see me for a couple days. But this is just an example that I believe illustrates what I believe to be true: that women from the larger cities are more inclined to welcome meeting a foreigner.
The weather in Cali gets hot and humid in the afternoon but otherwise is quite pleasant.
Man, as far as apartments, yes I saw several but after deciding on not living in Cali, I did not pursue them further. Today, before leaving, I was shown (an English guy living there insisted on showing it to me) an apartment in Barrio El Penon and it was nice, newly renovated, about 40 square meters (a little small) for an asking price of about US$20,000 or less maybe; I really donīt remember exactly. I earlier saw a 250 square meter penthouse in a nice neighborhood for about US$90,000.
El Colorado, I stayed at Hotel El Penon in Barrio El Penon and I can and do recommend this hotel. Try to get room 1002 as it was really large and real nice. Slow dial-up internet access is available at the hotel but for twice what it will cost at a fast internet cafe and you donīt have the opportunity to meet Calenas while using the internet in the hotel. The hotel cost something like 83,000 pesos per night plus tax for a total or like US$36-40 depending on how you are getting your pesos. Personally, I travel with an ATM card with Cirrus access and get the international exchange rate at the time of the transaction. In my opinion, this is the only way to go.
If you like to play blackjack, I strongly suggest playing in the "21" game at the casino at Unicentro and not playing "blackjack". If you want details why, private message me.
By the way, I did not meet that Calena at the casino that night and it turns out I probably would have had more fun with her than I did otherwise.
In general, Cali is a great little town. I can see it as a great spot to settle down, get married and raise a family, if that is what you want to do.
There is one thing that needs to be said about Cali however and it concerns the myth that Cali has the most beautiful women in Colombia. For sure, there are a few fine looking ladies walking around; there are also lots of not-so-good looking ladies walking around. Give me Medellin or any number of other cities for the sheer number of good looking women out and about.
The people in Cali are universally friendly and the Calenas are extremely sweet girls but they want a traditional life with courtship, marriage, children and all that. That is great and if this is what you are looking for then definitely give Cali a "look-see."
As far as danger, I had not one problem in Cali and I went everywhere.
i am much relieved to hear that studplayer has chosen not to settle in cali. i would be even happier to hear that he had chosen to settle in another country and to never return to colombia because he is, in my opinion, the quintessential "ugly american". people like this make me ashamed to be a hobbyiest and an "american"as they give both a bad name. one expects to encounter this type in cambodia & thailand, but not in my beloved colombia! one of the things i love about colombia is the absence of deviants/predators like this, so it is most distressing to meet one in cali of all places.
i will not specifically state why i (and antifreeze) find his comments so repugnant, unless studplayer chooses to respond in which case i will post his exact comments so everybody here can make their own judgments. i try and be an ambassador of goodwill when i travel overseas to improve the often negative image people have of americans abroad, but one guy like that really undermines those efforts.
wendy at la clinica seemed like a very fresh, sweet, girl and i shudder at the horrors she must have endured with him in room #5.
and, finally, mr. "studplayer" the accent you have is about as far from "castillian spanish" that i have heard outside an intentional parody. but it is the content of that speech, both in comments made to me and in your interaction with the girls, that i find really revolting. and while antifreeze is too polite to post what he thinks of you, if he answers your call i have little doubt that he will not hesitate to tell you directly.
so mr. "stud" the ball is in your court. if you post further in this thread, i will quote you verbatim and let both jackson & the membership make their own judgments. please find another country, any other country, to defile with your presence. but leave colombia alone (it has enough problems with guerillas and criminals).
One reason Cali has the most beautiful girls in the world is because it also has so many plastic surgeons.
I actually dated and screwed a Doctor woman I met at an agency named Latin Connections, since out of business. She had big boobs and was looking for an american to marry her and take to the land of money, US. She was fairly good in bed, but a real pain to be around otherwise, expecting others to be her servant like in the operating room. Turned out her boobs were not real, also she had stab scars from having lipo on her thighs and waist. When they did her boob job they cut AROUND the aurelias and inserted their stuffing that way instead of under the boob. Her scars around the aurelias were quite large still and quite a poor job. I let the girl go and heard later she got another american to marry her. I wish them both well.
Alot better looking girls in Cali, but watch out for their strong temperment. I had one girl from Latin-Internet that I brought to the states 2 years back and she was angry alot, poked me in the eye once and I sent her back. She was also very controlling and critical of me, though she was very attractive.
The woman who ran Latin Connections, also had a boob job, braces on her teeth and was considering lipo. That was a few years, 4-5 years ago, but you can see the pressure the girls are under to look beautiful. One girl showed up at the Latin Connections house with a band aid over her nose, having recently had a nose job.
Hey AF I was in Cali for 2 weeks a while ago. The casas and chicas are incredible, but other than that and hanging at Chipichape and Ave. Sexta, I didn't find much to do. We were warned not to go outside the city to the countryside due to FARC. What the heck do you do when you aren't mongering? Am used to RIO and BA, with lots of coffee-houses, bookstores, movies, museums, etc. Also, altho statistically Cali is very dangerous, paradoxically I never really felt threatened or saw any violence when I was there. It seemed very quiet and peaceful. Have you seen any violence or problems? The Colombianas ARE incredibly nice, considering their hard lives (But 12 is too young except for Scotch whiskey). I think you would be better off marrying your average Colombian SW than marrying your average USA woman!
yeah dude, that's just wrong!
one of the reasons '****' and 'prostitution' get linked so much is because of shit like this.
there are plenty of mongers that like regular aged (albeit on the 18-24 side) women. it pisses me off that i get lumped with this stuff.
i'm probably skirting close to the forum guidelines here so i'll stop.
Antifreeze,
I just wanted to say ... I spend most of my time also in Colombia, though in Medellin.
You are 100 percent correct. The vast majority of 'working chicas' we meet are sweet, nice people. They are working due to hard luck circumstances they deal with everyday.
When you treat these girls with some kindness and respect you can feel how appreciative and sweet they are.
I don't care if a guy is visiting Cali, Medellin, Cartegena, etc ... have fun, meet lots of chicas ... but don't be an ass.
Las Colombianas son preciosas!
I had the opportunity to visit Cali the weekend just after Thanksgiving. It was a GREAT time to enjoy Kaliente. Thye sure had a variety of ladies, all sizes and shapes.
I chose a petite girl that was fantastic! She did everything I asked, and performed the actions just the way that we both can enjoy. She spent 3 hours with me and we had a great time.
I went the next night and chose another lady. She was recommended by another girl and the boss at Kaliente, but I was disappointed. She was a great kisser and that was about it.
I would highly recommend Kaliente.
I just got back from 16 days in Cali. It was great. I managed to rent an apartment in barrio Grenada, right across the street from Casa de Cervesa. I paid $500 for the whole month, but only used 16 days. It still worked out cheaper than a hotel and gave me much more room and comfort.
I tried out Nicole at Kaliente.com. She was great. $100,000 pesos ($37 US) for a non-stop hour. I followed up with several sessions with her over a weeks time. I also tried Dianah at La Masion for a four-hour take out session for $270,000 pesos (around $100 US). She was a pure 10 in looks, attitude and performance.
Using my guide, Andres Morales, I discovered the pleasures of the girls on Ave Sexta. Many seemed to be younger than in the casas and were drug users. They were generally $50,000 to $60,000 pesos for an hour and around $150,000 for all night.
I went to Chipe Chopi and Uni-Centro shopping centers several times for viewing, shopping and money exchange. I was turning my head so often that my neck hurt. Columbian girls are the most beautiful in the world. It was difficult to find an ugly woman.
I went to the most popular discos. While the girls were beautiful, there didnt seem to be any pros or semi-pros. My guide Andres had numbers for several semi-pros, two of which were part-time models. Their looks were great, but their service wasnt as good as the pros I had experienced. He brought over two Flores Fresca girls for an afternoon party, which got kind of wild. We ended up playing strip spin the bottle on the balcony after much Aquardiente.
I found ax ex-pat bar called Blues Brothers, which had some amateurs looking for gringos. The music there is great. I found a non-pro there and started dating her in the evening while hitting casas during the day. The non-pros take a long time to crack. After the second date, she wanted me to meet her family. I didn't do it yet; Ive probably got 5 years on her father.
Some days I went to a pool called Arroyo Honda on the far north outskirts of town. It was only $1,000 or $2,000 pesos to enter (less than a dollar). It had several pools, tennis courts, restaurants and a masseuse. Lots of good-looking girls on the weekends.
We took cabs everywhere. They were plentiful and cheap. The guide kept me out of barrios and streets which were dangerous.
The food was great and cheap. The beef is very good and there was a great selection of seafood. Two steak dinners and 4 drinks cost less than $12 (US) at one place.
The police and military were out in great numbers. It made me feel more secure. You will generally be frisked before entering any bar or disco.
All in all, I had a great time and am thinking of returning in January. The GFE is harder to accomplish here than my usual mongering destination (Cuba), but there are more beautiful women there in greater numbers than Cuba.
El Colorado,
Congratulations on busting your budget so much! You overpaid almost everything during your trip. Kaliente, Flores Frescas, street girls at $50 - 60 000, an appartment for $500/month; Wow! You had thrown those American dollars around during that trip.
You are your own man, but I tell you that you are making, and others that are not price cautious, our lives more difficult down here. Remember Mexico? It used to be good. Remember Thailand? Well, the day might come when we'll say: remember Cali?
People: stop throwing money around like this because you are actually most probably destroying your next trip for the following year. Adapt to where you go. Don't bring America with you. There are prices for the places you go that are a fraction of what you pay for it in America. Pay in local prices.
Flores frescas is an intelligence test for gringos. No locals go there for a reason. It's overpriced, and underpussied. There are so many other places of way better quality for the fraction of the price (many of which I've posted addresses on this forum).
I do not want to attack in any way your character El Colorado, the fact on the matter is that I do not know you at all and you may just be a great guy. I am also pleased that you had a good time in Cali, it is indeed a great place. On the other hand, I do not ever want to say "remember Cali". Having Americans come in here and throw dollars like this doesn't help keeping Cali a cheap and good destination over time. It's actually the worst thing that could happen.
Food for thoughts.
Antifreeze,
Thanks for your good posts re overpaying. It just spoils the market place. I travel quite often to Cali and would like to meet you and perhaps have a beer. How do I contact you in Cali. I am hoping to be there sometime in January for a week or so.
Mongers,
I wonder if any of you are knowledgeable about Columbian Tours. They have a pretty sexy site full of gorgeous Latinas and sounds like a good way to get a solid guided tour of Cali while "Tasting-the-Talent".
One of these women, however, looks like a chica I had while in Costa Rica -- she too was from Columbia. This makes me wonder if the girls are pros. That's fine with me but I would like to know before taking the plunge, any thoughts?
Would appreciate any and all input. The site is: http://www.la.colombiantours.com/cali/tours.htm
Ez
Frijole,
In Medellin go to Loutron on Traversal Inferior near Templo antonio. This is up on the hill not too far from Hotel InterC. Also, Mirador Disco up on Las Palmas RIGHT above Hotel InterC is happening at night (Loutron is a daytime place like 11 to 8 or so).
I've been in Cali for about 10 days now and have some general information to report. Unfortunately, the Christmas holidays kill the sex business in Cali. Most girls are not working and there are many more men looking.
About the casas, there's an incredible number of them. One taxi driver will show you 5 casas, and the next taxi driver will show you a completely different set of 5. I wasn't impressed with the quality of women in most of the casas, but the price is right during the day ($15). At night, the casas I visited had doubled the price ($30) and the quality and quantity of women had dropped. I don't know if this is true in general, but I went to a couple last night and the price had doubled.
Avenue Sexta has a few street walkers out. There were about 15 at 1:00am on Sat night. They were ok quality and seemed friendly. Some may have been on drugs, but not all of them. I was surprised they were asking for $30 and not negotiating. For Cali, that seems expensive. They generally don't have a place to go and are perfectly willing to go to your hotel.
Personally, I feel the best Cali has to offer is the non-pro women. They are more attractive than the pros and are easy to approach.
I'll be here for 3 months and I'll post new info along the way.
-Kdog
Rastaman,
Flora Frescas has the best women. Also, the atmosphere is very nice. The music isn't too loud, the air conditioning works good (a rare thing in Colombia) and the women aren't pushy. One strange thing is there's really only a couple hours per day it's worthwhile to be there. Basically, 10:00pm-midnight. They have a show at 11:00pm. It will cost you 15 mil ($5) to get in, unless you go early (say before 9:00 pm) and the drinks are a little expensive. They charge 90 mil to take a girl for a half hour. As I understand, this includes the room and woman.
Frescas is known as a place where gringo's go and overpay for sex, but I don't entirely agree with this. Sure, it's expensive by colombian standards, but you're paying for high quality women in the nice club.
I believe the location is at the intersection of 20N and 4N.
I got wsg guru Antifreeze to give Frescas a try last night and he was surprised at the quality and quantity of women.
I had to go and see Flores Frescas. After all, I now live in Cali, and it is a destination worthwhile. I was right when I said that it is over-priced, but must admit that I was wrong when I said that it was under-pussied. There are some pretty impressive piece of Colombian art in there. Their show is also pretty good. I've seen 2-3 10's in the line-up.
But, now living in Cali, I really can't afford to do much in there. I just got excited in there and then walked a couple of streets down and get it out in a cheaper setting.
Antifreeze,
I have been to Cali several times, usually for busines. On my last visit, I went to Flores Frescas and to Kaliente.
My time and dollars are for Kaliente. Yes. A little on the expensive side but found them to be really good looking and great service. Flores Frescas was just OK for me.
I would like to see other places and will see if we can get together during my next visit. I plan on being there in late February.
David
As I told Antifreeze, the SHOW at Flores Frescas is worth the 15K admission but better value for doing the deed is certainly available elsewhere.
The Sexta SWs DO have some nerve demanding 60K when one can get fs in a casa for less (generally, freelancers are CHEAPER!). SOME of the Sexta SWs are top quality and worth a few extra pesos IMHO. If you get introduced to them, they will want 100K (as they must pay a chulo fee of 40K) BUT one must use discretion in approaching them as they do not dress any sluttier than the "regular" girls. Also, unless they dislike you you can get longer substantially longer than an hour with them (whereas casas operate on time).
I have been asked to compare Cuba with Cali, Columbia. After having taken over 30 trips to Cuba, I recently visited Cali, Columbia. I noticed the following differences:
In Cuba, virtually every woman is for sale. However, many are
semi-pros or amateurs. A GFE therefore is very possible or even probable. The women want to stay all night. That is what is generally negotiated for. The hardest thing to do in Cuba is to get rid of a chica. They dont want to leave.
Professionals in Cali are very easy to find. The city is full of casas, and there are plenty of SWs along Ave Sexta in the evening. Semi-pros were there if you searched, but didnt seem as plentiful. In the casas and with many of the SWs, everything is by the hour. You have to talk them into staying the night. The rest of the women wanted relationships of some sort. Dates with non-pros were easy to get, but you werent going to get laid the first couple of dates.
Sex is expected from the start in Cuba. Ive actually seen women insulted if you didnt go to bed with them. Maybe its because Columbia is very Catholic and almost all of the hundreds of women Ive dated in Cuba had no religion.
If you go with a woman for an hour or less, Cali is now cheaper than Cuba. All night with a SW or semi-pro was somewhat cheaper in Cali also. All night with a Cali casa girl was double what they cost in Cuba.
The average Columbian woman is far more beautiful than the average Cuban girl. However, Cuban women will aggressively come after you. The Columbians are more reserved. The Cuban girls are wilder in bed IMHO, although Columbian girls seem to want to make out more. They like more foreplay.
Prices for drinks, food and lodging seem about equal. However Columbia has everything you would want to buy, while things are far more limited in Cuba.
Theres the political thing, too. In Cali, the police and military were there to help you, while the goal of Cuban police is to extort you and try to put your girl in prison without trial. I wouldnt want to be a policeman in Havana when Castro finally dies. Everyone hates them.
In Cali, youre free to roam wherever is safe; in Havana, your chica takes a big chance being seen with you in public. This was one of the major reasons for my Cali visit. Im tired of skulking around or staying in with a girl who doesnt want to go out.
Street crime seems more prevalent in Cali than Havana. Cuba has no guns. You can buy a handgun in Cali for about $40. (US). Cali streets that can be walked during the day must be traversed by cab at night. I have never had this problem in Cuba. Yet, with my guide, I always felt safe in Cali.
If youre looking for a lot of different (and beautiful) girls for short time and very inexpensive, Cali would be the choice. If you crave instant GFE with a semi-pro or amateur, Cuba would be better.
Im returning to Cali next week for another two weeks. This time one of my US friends is coming along also. I think I got the lay of the land well enough to have a very good time. I also cultivated a girlfriend if I care to go that route some of the time.
Having just read the last 24-25 pages of Cali information, I feel I have a good frame of reference for my first adventure to the inland. Thanks to all for the valuable Intel. I spent several weeks in CTG in 2002 and from the conversations with my fellow travelers and first hand experience of the smorgasbord of girls I had I became determined to travel to Cali. Hence, I am leaving Friday, Jan 9 for about ten days in punnany paradise. Although, I have traveled to many of the hotspots Rio, Bangkok, DR, Cuba, TJ I would love to grab some cervezas and get the lay of the land from the veterans, Im 35 years old from Los Angeles email is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue].
One question please; Im leaning towards the Hotel Don Jaime bases on its proximity to Avenida Sexta as I dont want to be concerned about walking in the evening back from the bars. Is approximately $20 still the going rate? Do they charge for guests? Any other recommendations for hotels within this area?
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Bite your tongue antifreeze. How can you call a city with little to do besides chasing chicas "paradise"? I mean I love the local chicas too, but let us not confuse a city with lots of chicas with a World Class city with MANY diversions (like Cartagena or Rio). And do not be introducing Colorado (or ANYbody) to my future connection to your wife's family!
Colorado: Sorry I will miss you visit as you will be gone before I return. Be careful if antifreeze takes you to a cheap lunch of ceviche near the Mercado or tries to get you to help defray the cost of transporting horses to a cabalgata! LOL! This REALLY is a bummer as I would enjoy discussing your most recent trips to Cuba., despite your opinion that the average Colombiana is better looking.
Surfer, my friend, Cali may not be a paradise to all, but it is surely a paradise to me.
Fact on the matter, I do not like to travel anymore. So, comparing to Sao-Paulo, Rio or else is irrelevant to me. With a kid and wife, traveling has nothing to do with relaxation anymore (Her relaxation is your stress). You end-up going in expensive hotels, spending half your awaken time chasing restaurants and getting rid of people that see you as a life support for a wallet. And they call this vacations... I can live without that.
I live in Cali. As a living environment, I think it is excellent. I have all the services that I would want. It's cheap, secure, full of surprises. Cali is my paradise (which may be someone else's Hell).
Traveling is my Hell.
See ya soon my friend!
Antifreeze, I'll have to agree with you sir.
Although I still enjoy traveling (alone), when I come back to Colombia ... I'm in my PARADISE too.
Medellin is my spot though.
Freeze: You know I love Cali too, but it is not for everyone.
Colorado: Sao Paolo is MUCH larger, more modern, more diversions, more traffic, WAY more high rises, more polluted, more rushed, colder, more expensive than Cali. Imagine Cali as San Diego (but without the beach) and SP as New York (except Paulistanos are MUCH friendlier than New Yorkers). The beach is closer to SP (and Buenaventura area aint in the same league as Guaruja, beachwise).
While I have never had a problem in either, knock on wood, in many ways I feel crime is a larger risk in SP than Cali. Once you leave the city, however, the converse is true (countryside of SP state is very safe, as opposed to rural areas of Valle which are often QUITE dangerous). A bit more English spoken in SP, but not much.
If you have the $$$, the average looks of the girls you can find in a top club like Bomboa is SEVERAL notches better than the top clubs in Cali (Flores Frescas, Kaliente-seen their website but only visited their Popayan branch) . Flores Frescas would be mid to lower end in SP. Colombianas are WAY more eager to emigrate than Brasileras. Colombianas are more nationalistic than Brasileras. In SP, like ALL of Brasil, the bunda (ass) is king whereas boobs are more sought after in Cali.
Hope this answers your questions.
While gringos can do better in SP than Rio (because there are WAY less of them), it will take more WAY more $$$ to impress a Paulista than a Calena.
I'll arrive in Cali about Jan 21 for a few days. I'd like to stay at a decent hotel. So I'm thinking about either the Pacifico Royal Hotel or the IC. I've stayed at IC's in many other countries and never been disappointed. Of course its also important that the hotel be chica friendly and relatively close to the center of nocturnal activities. Does anyone have a preference between these hotels or maybe another recommendation?
Also based on WSG posts I plan to visit Floras Fresca, and Kaliente Club. Would these be good starting points?
Finally, I have an unlocked GSM phone. Can I buy a SIM card in Cali or how would I go about getting cell phone service?
Any fellow mongers that wanna hook up for a beer, PM me.
Thanks again.
CM
CM,
I personally don't like staying at the IC. All the prices are greatly inflated. Even the street vendors outside are major rip-offs. However, if you don't mind paying double for things (food, room, etc), it's fine. The benefits include safe taxis (not that the others are dangerous, but you'll probably feel better with the ones outside IC) and the staff speaks English. Also, if you like gambling, they have a casino.
I recommend looking at Don Jaime on avenue Sexta. It's a lot cheaper, much closer to the action (street walkers are just outside and Frescas and some casas are within walking distance). Plus, there's many decent restaurants and discos around Don Jaime.
Kdog
I second the Don Jaime...
It is not a 5 star, but it is very clean, safe, chica-friendly, and affordable. The door men will also get you whatever you want.
Room 304 is a great room. It has a balcony (one of the 5 rooms that has one), nice bar set-up, 2 beds (1 for sex and 1 for sleeping), x-rated cable to get the girls in the mood, walk-in closet to keep you stuff out of site, dining/card table, bathroom with shower stall big enough for a few extra people, and plenty of hot water!
Room safe is not available but they have safety security box at the front desk for your valuables.
VERY CLOSE TO ACTION ALSO. GREAT LOCATION IMHO!
sorry - can't help you with the phone info, although next door to Don Jaime is a internet cafe with international phones available also.
$Bill
I have recently joined this board and the main reason for which I did is to say a couple of things to Americans who share the same mentality as antifreezer who complaints about girls charging 50.000 pesos which equals to 20 American dollars to get layed for an hour.
How much in the states do you have to pay for an hour? Minimum 150 dollars if I am not wrong. How cheaper do you want it. People need to live here too buddy. As a Colombian and behalf on my Colombian people I'll say to Americans like antifreezer that you are not welcome one bit in my country, it's a real shame that people like you are living here in our city, complainting about prices when Colombia is already cheap and you are trying to make it even cheaper for your own selfish interests, and encouraging others to get women for ten bucks and less, don't come for our women and leave nothing on the table my friend, pack your bags and go back to the states, see if you can get women for less than 20 bucks there for an hour.
Treat Colombians right, we are friendly and warm people but the minute we are mistreated in any way we'll turn into something that you'll be quite amazed man. this is a country in political, social and economical termoil, our economy went far down since 1993, and it's restablishing again. We don't need people contributing to make our economy bad specially not Americans. So if you came here to exploit us and be cheap and above all leave us absolutely nothing in return I hope I never run into you right here where I am writing from in Cali Colombia because I will tell you what I really think since I have to be careful what I write here so I can post this.
Cali Dress Code
I'll be in Cali next week. I've read differing ideas on acceptable attire. For the most part I like to dress casual when on vacation, jeans if its cold or shorts if not, Tommy Bahamas and Polo shirts, either tennis shoes or top-siders. General Caribbean casual is my style. On the other hand, I dont want to be out of place in Calis Casas, Bars and Restaurants. So will this be acceptable or do I need to step it up a bit?
CM
ChinaMonger,
The best way to 'blend in' is to wear long pants ie, jeans, slacks etc., a t-shirt or reg polo shirt, NO sunglasses, if you notice hardly anyone wears them, regular shoes or topsiders. That's the way most guys dress I have noticed. I think one would want to 'blend in' in Colombia IMHO.
Mojo Rasing,
First welcome to this board. By the way, I am not American. In order to fix prices in a location, one does not need to compare with prices in the US all the time. There is such a thing as a local price where ever you go. Respecting local prices is the best thing to do in order to preserve an economy without relying on 3-4 planes a day filled with Americans landing at your local airport. A wise woman should never prostitute herself all her life. Her situation shouldn't be so comfortable prostituting herself that she wouldn't go back to her dream of becoming a doctor or a lawyer or anything else. It should instead be a temporary situation that helps her get to her next level. Throwing too much money her way for such an activity isn't help, it's slavery.
You say that I am selfish, well guess what, I believe we could easily say the same thing about you. Here comes a guy that tells things like they are, and you get pissed because your little profit is in jeopardy.
I could present you to 20-30 women and you could ask them what they think about Antifreeze and they would only have good things to say about him. I take care of them. I treat them well and am an happy returning customer, and they love it. After all it's not my fault if you as a Colombian guy can't treat a woman well and they need to rely on foreigners for sex as well as mariage.
Good luck finding your way towards decency (if it is ever a desire of yours)!
Antifreeze.
Hey Mojo,
The only result that would come from paying Colombian women $150 per hour is your Colombian friends would no longer be able to afford Colombian women.
Fast Eddy and China Monger,
I can answer both your questions. It's really best that you dress like Colombians do since otherwise you will be a much more noticeable target for street crime. Other forms of crime that the US government warns against (kidnapping, terrorism, etc) are blown way out of proportion (if you stay in or near the city limits of Cali).
Some rules for dress in Colombia:
- Never leave the hotel wearing shorts, sneakers or t-shirts unless it's to do some sport (tennis, mountain climbing, etc)
- Nice shoes are especially important in this culture (I have no idea why) and a belt that matches the shoes is something the women all insist on.
- Jeans are fine
- Button-down shirts are best
- I know it sounds gay, but if you really want to blend in, a Colombian necklace would help. You can buy for $2-$3 when you're down here.
-Kdog
When did I say pay Colombian working girls 150, read the post well.
Antifreezer, it would be amazing if you didn't treat these girls well after paying them less than 10 bucks. I don't doubt your decency unlike mine but I certainly don't doubt your cheap ways. And yes I know the states well and I don't think you are in no position to tell me that I should be the one to pack my bags and go there when I was born in this land which I love deeply and that's way it wires me with indignation that people whose economy is three times or more better than ours complaint about paying a woman 20 bucks for an hour. you probably had problems with getting women in your country which it's cool, not everyone is successful with that and now that you might here you think everything is overpriced.
All in all you have to learn a lot about this country, before giving an opinion about it, before calling it a 19th hundred country take the time just between having dirt cheap sex and the next trashy 10 dollar woman to study a bit about Colombia and all South America as a matter of fact.
No matter what you wear, you will likely be marked as a foriegner and a tourist. Your conduct will have a lot more to do with whether you are a target for street crime than your wardrobe.
I have travelled to both Cali and Medellin and wore shorts, t-shirts and tennis shoes almost the entire time. I had no problem getting into any club, resturaunt or other establishment and had no problems meeting women, both pro and non-pro. The key is wear what makes you comfortable and treat people nicely and with respect. Remaining alert and not putting yourself into dangerous situations is how to avoid street crime.
As far as looking like a foriegner that is exactly what makes you attractive to the Colombian women as they are anxious to get out of Colombia as there is not much of a potential for progress for women in Colombia. They love Americans and wearing something with an American flag or a well known designer like Tommy Hilfinger certainly helps. IMHO
MOJO: I sympathize with your feelings, but I would also point out this: Almost all of the nice Colombian girls I have met who are in the "business" are single mommies who were forced to sell their bodies because a Colombian man got them pregnant and then abandoned them. Thus, it would appear that it is COLOMBIAN men, not American men, who show no respect for Colombian women.
Mojo: I know antifreeze quite well and he is NOT an ugly American (they mostly go to Cartagena). He LOVES your country more than any other, as do I. He also treats the chicas pretty well, despite not wanting to pay gringo price. And I do not think YOU really want all the casas upping their rates to 50,000, do you? I doubt you pay the ridiculous prices at Flores Frescas or Kaliente either, right? Most of the chicas in the casas love foreigners because they are more likely to give propinas than Colombianos, don't you agree?
I TOTALLY agree with you that Cali does NOT need the ugly Americans mistreating the chicas; if you look in this thread back in November, Antifreeze and I exposed an ugly American "Studplayer" who wanted to molest young girls and do other nasty things and we pretty much drove him out of Cali and off this board. We want to PROTECT Cali and its chicas. So while I SUPPORT you completely in trying to protect the chicas from BAD foreigners, your attacks on Antifreeze are misdirected as he is one of the good foreigners. Paz ******.
I TOTALLY agree with Chupolongas comment as well; many Colombianas have been mistreated by Colombianos (machistas) and they DO appreciate extranjero caballeros.
Regarding the dress issue, yes most gringos look like gringos regardless how they dress, and so wearing shorts probably will not make you much more of a target for crime. It WILL, however, result in nice chicas not giving you a second look and will cause other people to look down on you like a campesino. Beach areas are the ONLY PLACE in Colombia where wearing shorts is culturally acceptable, and the WISE traveler KNOWS that by conforming to local customs one is MUCH better received. Bars & stores will not refuse you admission but be sure they WILL look down on you as a low class visitor.
That said, while I NEVER wear shorts I do wear my flipflops as they are just TOO comfortable, and sometimes the sun is just TOO BRIGHT to go without shades. I TRY and hide my feet by standing behind something when meeting chicas, however. I also think these are MUCH less offensive than wearing shorts around town.
I am not here to moralize on wether a woman should become or not a prostitute or defend Colombian men for their bad behavior. You say you disagree with women becoming prostitutes mr antifreezer, yet you love to go to them and take advantage of their situation, how easy and comfortable is for you to say "they should not become prostitutes" like if you were all informed about their lives also. I don't think that even god would put himself in that same arrogant position. However like I said I do not care to moralize on that. Secondable, americans who come here for sex or for whatever, are going to compare prices inevitably and they are going to realize that it's cheap, way cheap, so why cry. Of course you are a selfish man, mr antifreezer, you have not grown out of the anal phase that we go through as children and that some like yourself stay in their whole life. If colombia is cheap and you whine about it then you are way above the scale of being cheap, we all should come up here with a new word to define you because I really don't think there's one in the dictionary that would suit you properly. This is my whole criticism to you and to the rest with such mentality and nothing more.
I completely agree with Surfer's assessment on the dress code. The first time I was in Colombia I walked around in shorts and t-shirt and the usually sweet Colombian women actually made comments to me that I dressed poorly. Trust me, Colombian women DO NOT like the way Americans dress. This has been pointed out to me many many times in the US by Colombians there.
More recently I've found that by dressing nice by American standards isn't even enough. These women want everything matching, not a single wrinkle in your clothes, and expect your shoes to be shined every few days (this is especially important). In fact, you'll be hounded by shoe shiners up and down Avenue Sexta because it's so common (it costs less than a $1 and they do a good job).
Mojo,
Here's a direct quote from you "How much in the states do you have to pay for an hour? Minimum 150 dollars if I am not wrong. How cheaper do you want it."
Your last sentence implies $150 is cheap and that it shouldn't be lower than that.
Now if you want to post more to Antifreeze or Kdog, post to private messaging so we can stop wasting everyone else's time.
Look surfer,
There are already fixed prices in these brothels and I am not trying to suggest that they rise up the prices, I know which houses you are talking about, but some girls who might be better looking have a higher cost, I am not even talking about fresh flowers or kaliente. But even there the girls are so much better looking and some people like quality and don't care to pay more for that, they are glad to pay that, you get what you pay for. what pisses me off is the idea of cheap Americans complainting about cheap prices. If you don't have enough money to spend don't come to Colombia in the first place or much less move here. I've seen Americans complainting and making a fuss out of 1 dollar tip for two, these are the people I am not very happy to see here. I even tip though I don't have to and I don't live in the states and make dollars or anything, so you can understand why this pisses me off. I have very good American friends who can't stand these sort of people either. If an American decides to pay more than ten dollars or pay more for a better accommodation why do you have to tell him that he shouldn't just because you would prefer to be economical if not cheap rather than take quality into consideration. Some people like good stuff and they don't refrain from paying its cost and I am not talking about the gringo price that they might pull on you. If you are a loser in America, at least don't act like that here, women spot that right away and you lose points, they certainly don't like cheap foreigners.
Kdog,
I meant cheaper than 50.000 pesos, cheaper than 20 bucks.
If it's such a time wasting for you why do you reply?
Interesting to read about the dress code.
I'll be in Cartagena for Easter. You mention pants. Are polo shirts regarded as acceptable attire to the women especially at the nightclubs or bars?.
Strange how you describe clothing. I had the same encounter while in Casablanca. The tourists in shorts were American or Canadian. I'm American and I did my homework. Read a guide book for preparation. Just ordered one for Colombia. I'm also starting spanish lessons in 3 weeks.
Have a good one. Have many.
I'm packing up for a trip to Cali in a couple days to see my girl friend, but caught up by the conversation going on here. I can understand Rojo's patriotism, and his sympathy for the working Calenas, but have to agree with Chuponalgas. My girl friend has a 3 year-old daughter from her ex-boyfriend, a Caleno who has no interest to see his own baby girl, not even talking about supporting her even he knows where he can find them. I know for a fact that most of the Americans who came to Cali do treat the women here better the the local guys. Many of the girls I know here simply refuse to have a Colombian boy friend because of their irresponsibility. All these times I came to Cali, I'm deeply involved emotionally with people I met here. All I can suggest is the Colombianos should love their women more, and less on soccer.
Return to the pricing issue for working girl, A few years back, when travelling to China on business, they had a two prices policy, which make the foreigners pay way more than the local people, and this really pissed me off. I believe when in another country, nobody likes to pay more for the same merchant just because of his foreign status. Antifreeze has provided very useful and updated info on this board, though never met, just like me, Colombia holds a very special place in out hearts. Rojo, you may not believe, but I very possibly love Colombia as much as you do.
Let's discuss this topic openly here in the forum instead of having the conversation privatly. It is very helpful to understand what an educated and very likely well off Colombiano think about the Americans who come to Colombia to appreciate the Colombianas.
Expat: Cartagena is the one place where you can get away with beachwear as it is BY FAR the most casual city. Polo shirts are fine.
For a guidebook, the Footprint guide is head and shoulders about the rest. Lonely Planet's Colombia edition (the NEW one) is SO truncated that it is a disgrace to a book series that is usually pretty good (except for the feminist slant that is SO anti-Sex). If you ordered LP send it back unopened and get the Footprint Guide.
Easter is HIGH season, and HOT season, in CTG. So try and stay cool and book EARLY.
kdog is absolutely right regarding clothing in Cali (and most of SOuth-America). The reason why clothing is so important down here is that most people don't have much, and they show the little they have through clothing. So, in their womens mind, if you can't afford a good pair of shoes, then you can't afford me. So she won't give you a second look. They like to show off through their clothing. On my side, when I used to live in the US, wearing a Polo shirt seemed overkill (I didn't like to show off there), but here in Colombia, wearing an expansive piece of clothing will really increase your odds when you'll break the ice with that Colombian. In the US, everyone wears shorts since it is more appealing for women to find a man that can afford a vacation once in a while. In Colombia, they are attracted to people that are well dressed since it is more appealing to be courted by a man that has a job. It's as easy as that (and latinas are extremely conformist - the majority pretty much react the same way to bad clothing by looking the other way).
One last thing, Cali is a great spot to go cloth shopping. If you don't have good shoes, there are plenty in here for sale for a fraction of the price of the Borring States of America. So, don't feel like you need to shop at home, but reserve your first day to do that in Cali.
All I can say from my experience is dress well, but more importantly dress to the environment you are in and DON'T dress old!
Marino: VERY well put.
Mojo: Tranquilo compadre (cannot use the H word as it gets deleted because of another website using that name).
I DO agree with you in most respects, but antifreeze is NOT the problem. Living in Cali, he thinks in pesos, not dollars. ANYTIME somebody quotes me $$$ in Colombia I say "Somos en Colombia, no Estados Unidos, y la plata aca es pesos". I also agree that the less Americanos feos who come to Cali, the better for those of us who recognize what a special place it is. I am hesitant to even say good things about Cali on public boards like this because I would rather they ALL go to Cartagena!
Poobah: a 40 YO trying to dress like a sardino would look a bit silly, no? While the chicas LOVE the white pants, BLACK is in for men, wouldn't you agree? Not Johhny Cash black, but Armani, De la Renta, D&G type stuff is what the chicas like on guys too.
I've had the chance to meet Marino and I can say that he is a fine Ambassador for the US. It's great to meet good people. Sadly, we did not have a lot of time to exchange because of active life's duties, but I'm sure we'll meet again. Marino, give me a ring when you want...
As for the thread with Mojo, it all stated with a simple statement on my side: "Wherever you go, adapt to your destination, don't bring America with you in your suitcase". That statement was made to El Colorado following his trip down here. I've had the chance to private message with El Colorado afterwards and would look forward to meet him. His reception to what I felt was constructive criticism was excellent, and he's welcome to do whatever he wants with it (including nothing if he chooses).
But then, Mojo misread that post by interpreting it like "Cali is too expensive". Which is not a problem by itslef (although a distortion of the reality). But the post that followed his misreading was way too agressive for me not to react as boldly (A mistake over a mistake on his part).
First, Cali is not too expensive. Things are fine down here. I just wish Americans would know more on how to travel and wouldn't make it so easy for other people in other countries to build up some aversion towards them. Without refering to anyone in specific (other than the caricature of the ugly American), being noisy, abnoctuous, not respecting the money that a lot of those people lack by throwing it left and right can only be a negative for the US and for all of us.
I've lived here for a year now, and I've seen so many ugly Americans that I am almost at the point where I'll refuse to meet any of them anymore. Thanks to kdog, Marino, Surfer and others for shifting that balance of trust a bit more on the positive side, because without them I'd be totally out of the loop.
Cali is a great place, don't spoil it. And, Surfer, you're right. Let's be quiet about Cali a bit. Cartagena is now within the comfort zone of turism, they'll be looking to push that comfort zone a bit more soon, and Cali may be on their hit list.
surfer, it all depends how you can carry it off. i think if you're still in shape by all means you can do the 'tight shirt at the club' look. i have a few friends that still pull it off successfully in the states. but at the same time you are not going to wear abercrombie and fitch or try to dress like a stud playa (is that what a 'sardino' is?). i do wear a lot of black (yep, even j.c. black) and like it as a color. i don't wear white pants and don't wear speedos.
i'm bringing the polo shirts and the dress slacks and also bringing a few pairs of jeans this time. i do agree that wearing shorts (other than on the cartagena beach area) will make you stick out like a sore thumb.
poobah: maybe i spelled it wrong, but colombian slang for teenagers is sardinos. maybe mojo can clarify. since you don't wear speedos, you must not be european (laughing hysterically emoticon).
speaking of which: jackson, could we import emoticons (rather than just smiley faces here?)
Rufus: Don Jaime is less than 100K per night. There is a dumpy place across the street and a few blocks down the Sexta but I have never been inside. I do not know anybody personally who tries to go cheaper than Don Jaime, and DO BEWARE the location of the real cheap pensiones.
Mr antifreeze,
Firstable I, for sure, did not misread a thing by interpreting that Cali is too expensive, what are you talking about? why are you always trying to reflect yourself on others, transfering your situation to others. Didn't you write on this board that 50.000 pesos is too expensive( the equivalent to 20 US dollars) to pay a woman for having sex for an hour? It is written on this very board and anyone can check that out anytime they want, to prove you and the rest of the members on the WSG that I did not misread anything regarding what you mentioned in your last post. I guess It's hard to accept the thruth when someone tells it the way I did to you that you have to look for some kind of angle to justify your attitud, to justify your cheapness, you want to redeem yourself by making me look like as if I had misunderstood your whole point. You were plain in saying that they overpaid the price when they gave the girls 20 bucks. If I had the power to do it I'd throw your butt out of our country tomorrow.
Yes, Surfer you are right about that word in Spanish: "Sardinos for boys and Sardinas for girls" meaning teenagers, and don't give this guy too much credit unless, of course, you are the same way as him, don't justify him either by saying that since he lives now in Colombia (unfourtunally) he has to think in Pesos, I think in Pesos too (and I am not in any way rich so you can discard that). Like I said, if you can't afford living here in a cheap country, don't. Not everyone, Mr antifreeze, wants to live your same cheap lifestyle.
Mr Mojo Rasing,
Greetings and your post has some excellent points. However I think you are misinterpretting Mr Antifrezze points. I think the issue is about relativity. Everything is relative. A good pair of pants in Cali is x number of pesoes and the same pants in the US is x dollars the same pants in Zimababwe is x Zim Dollars. So when in Rome be like the Romans pay in Roman dollars. I do not think its about being cheap its just about not spoiling the market for pants shoes etc because eventually we will have to pay more for these items and we are not earning US Dollars. As Rodney King would say can't we all get along. Peace.
HappyC
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Mojo,
You wouldn't be able to pull your own head out of your ass without the help of all 'jaws of life' available in America (even less in Colombia).
First, you say that we are expected to pay the Gringo price (because we're just cheap if we don't). That is, Americans are rich, they had it all easy so they should share their wealth with people that are not as fortunate like Colombians, or they are just cheap. Well, we've worked hard for our money and we have the right to spend it the way we want (that's the kind of liberty that comes with having your own money). If I don't want to pay 3 times as high for any girl, that's my choice. The only thing that I did here was to expose that choice.
While I have been busy exposing the facts on this board, you've been as busy exposing your own stupidity. Keep on feeling like a victim all your life because of your own incapacity to understand the world, but, do us all a favor, just go away... I am sure there are plenty of other boards that are looking to get your valuable information somewhere.
Hasta luego compadre!
Freeze
Senor Mojo ... you sir, need to relax on this price issue ...
I personally pay whatever the going rate is and tip the chica accordingly.
The same goes for taking a taxi or eating at a restaurant. We don't expect anyone ... chicas, taxis, etc to raise prices just because we're not Colombians ... and most don't raise prices.
What I've experienced in many, many cases in Colombia, Venezuela and many other countries, is that in the service oriented businesses, such as masajes (chicas), taxis, restaurants, etc, etc ... the locals know that the 'Gringo' will tip nicely if treated well and therefore, they make their extra money through good work.
By the way, I've tipped many a chica for nice service and often time it's the first tip they've ever received because as the chicas tell me "the locals generally don't tip".
I have many Colombian friends. Men and women. Very good and warm people in general. I have found most Colombianos to like Americans or other Westerners.
Yes, there are some bad apples out there for sure, but PLEASE, Senor Mojo, relax with all the nasty and negative talk.
Let's get on with the purpose of this forum ... I'm sure being a local, you could add some great insite.
If you have a difference of opinion with someone, simply explain your thoughts and try to give guidance rather than make accusations against people you really do not know ... just like real life.
Thank you.
This issue is getting too old and it's clear that some people here did not understand my point. If you decide to pay less or more for a girl, that's your problem Mr freeze, so don't tell anyone then that they are messing things up for you if they do decide to pay more just because you wouldn't. I don't know what kind of girls you get for less than 10 bucks anyway but that's your problem, like you say. Usually people would pay more if they think the girl is worth it. I never suggested a gringo price, go back and read well what I wrote.
I apologize with the other members of this board for sticking with this issue, but I felt the right to express my feelings on this subject, however let's move on to something else regarding information about Cali Colombia and others cities from this country if you will. Feel free to ask me anything, I'll be glad to provide you with information about anything you want.
Thank you.
I went to Frescas last night and want to correct some previous info I posted. The show times seem somewhat random (not necessarily at 11:00pm and 1:00am as posted previously). Last night the shows were at 9:30pm and midnight. Also, Monday night is great at Frescas. There were 17 women (most were beautiful) and only about 10 men. On Sat night I was disappointed to see 7 below average women when I arrived at 11:30pm (all the good ones must have been occupied). I assume the same might happen on Fri night. Get there early on those nights so you can get someone decent. Once the girl you want goes with some guy to the room, you likely will not them again that night.
Surfer, you truly make me laugh. First, I spend 9 months of the year in Miami and 3 months in Cali (where I am right now). I think I know a little more than you about both places. This quote from you is hillarious "And the ones that CAN get visas are RICH!". So you think there's a bunch of rich Colombians running around Miami, right? And you've been to Miami! OPEN YOUR EYES next time you're there. Also from you "I do not believe Colombians are even eligible for "the lottery". And you are the one that told me to learn what I'm talking about! Why do you feel it's necessary to pick a fight with me by hurling insults like "American hick". You are the one that started all this. I'm curious to see if you have the guts to call me that to my face.
Cali Trip:
I just returned from Cali yesterday. What a great time I had there. It was my first trip but I will return as soon as possible. First, I'd like to thank Antifreeze and Kdog for giving me some great suggestions and info prior to arrival. We met in Cali, and had lunch and then they showed me the world of "Casa's". We had a great time there too. Lots of beautiful chicas to choose from and all very friendly.
I'm just sorry we didn't have the opportunity to hang out more. As it worked out, I met a stunningly beautiful girl in Cali and fell in loveĄ. So we ended up getting side tracked and standing Antifreeze and Kdog up for dinner and drinks one night. For which by the way I canĄĶt apologize enough. But I'm sure we'll get together next time.
I had intended to hook up with Simple Man, Frijole, El Colorado and Surfer, but I was so busy this trip I just didn't have to time to get back with you guys, sorry. I hope next trip to have more time but I'm sure you all had a great time anyway.
So now a brief report, I arrived Wednesday night about 9:30p. The Hotel had a driver waiting for me as I exited the airport. As luck would have it, he turned out to be a great guy also and I hired him to drive me around for the week. I immediately check in to the Hotel and off to Flores Frescas.
I arrived by 11:00p just in time for the lezbo show. So I order a bottle of Ą§PremiumĄĻ rum poured myself and the driver a tall one and sit back to enjoy the show. What a treat. These two awesome chicas are on stage going at it for about 10 min or so until completion. Let me tell you, by the time the show was over I was sporting a dangerous weapon in my 501's. So of course I had to take a run at one of the chicas in the show. She was absolutely phenomenal looking IMHO. So I start talking to her and set up a Ą§dateĄĻ for about 30 min later so she could scrub up and such. I start thinking; she's so hot if I'm not careful this could end up a 2 or 3 stroker. I definitely wasnĄĶt going to let that happen. So while she's scrubbing up I hook up with another snappy dish just to "unload the chamber". After all, I wouldn't want my "Starlet" to think I wasn't a gentleman. So right on queue, with perfect timing I wrap it up with my "warm up catcher", step back into the club area and hook up with my new "Starlet". (Round 1)
We sat and had a drink or two until nature called. Then we were off to her Suite for our romantic liaison. Being a gentleman I wasn't about to dispense with the foreplay. So of course, we started with a CBJ. I'm real cautious about the bbbj, but that's just me. Anyway, I'll skip with all the details; I wouldn't want this to get too mushy. We'll leave it at she didn't say no to any request and we were in no hurry at all. All in all, two great encounters, so far. (Round 2)
By this time my driver/buddy is beginning to wonder if he'll ever see me again. But just then I'm back on the club floor pouring rum again. And wouldn't you know it, perfect timing once again; I'm just in time for the next lezbo show. Well, if it has to be, it has to be. Just in the knick of time I notice something is amiss, my bottle of rum is almost empty and that just won't do. This is a veritable emergency with the show about to start and me with no rum. Not to worry, the waiter recognizing the urgency of the situation rushed a fresh bottle of "Premium" rum to our table, cracked it open, turned it upside down and had my glass filled to the brim before the first nipple was licked. That was a close one. I'll have to be better prepared next time.
So on with the show, just when I thought it couldn't get any better, the second pair of lovebirds set a new standard of courtship. They obviously cared deeply for each other. You would have to be blind not to have seen they were indeed nature's perfect match. 10 min or so later both immensely satisfied, the loving couple departed the stage, for more intimate surroundings I would guess.
By this time however, having been the fortunate voyeur of yet another romantic interlude I was feeling a bit randy myself. The only problem was that the club was closing. But fate intervened once again on my behalf. Just when I thought all hope was lost what do I see, but an irresistibly beautiful young maiden in need of an exit strategy. Well I don't mind telling you the gallant side of me came to the surface and I immediately offered her the services of my chauffer and coach for a ride home. I know what you're thinking, what kind of a gentleman would I be if I sent this young jewel home hungry at 2:00a. Not to worry, of course I offered to share a meal together. We ended up a fine eatery specializing in fried chicken to be partaken on the side of the road just out of the path of the passing motor vehicles. Nothing quite so romantic as standing on the side of the road, dodging the drunk drivers which are inevitably on the road at 2:30a, inhaling the intoxicating bouquet of exhaust fumes with chicken grease dripping down you face, all the while making passionate suggestive conversation with the object of your desire. Well it must have worked; because we ended up back at my hotel for a night of sordid passion including acts that I understand are illegal in some states.
With the sunrise began another day with my young jewel still in my arms. As I'm sure many of you will attest, nothing starts the day like a fresh shower, a hot cup of coffee and a BJ. But as all good things must come to an end the time had come to bid farewell to my little jewel. We exchanged longing glances, wondering if it were meant to be and would we share another moment together some other time, some other place. (Rounds 3 and 4)
Well that just about wraps up my first 5 hours in Cali. I'm out of time for now. If I get a chance I'll post more about the rest of my week in Cali and maybe some of the details of the enchanting temptress that has captivated my heart.
CM
IMO, it's not about overpaying, underpaying, being cheap, or being a good tipper.
No one likes an "ugly American". (I'm using this as a term - not always a literal as in citizen of the USA.) An ugly American has no respect for local customs and traditions.
When one goes to another country, and doesn't follow their ways, you're being an ugly American. This includes paying your American prices, your American currency, and using your American attitudes.
Gentlemen, let's be good foreigners - follow local custom. Overpaying is as much a trait of the ugly American as are the other more common stereotypes.
Hellow all!
I am planning on a Trip to Cali and Cartagena. I have gotten good suggestions from JT for Cartagena. Can anyone point me on the right direction. I plan on been in Cali for about 6 days and am planning on meeting up with some non-pros Caleņas and am also planning on hooking up with the pros of course. Any advise where I might not feel uncomfortable bringing non-pros and where I can bring pros freely. Oh I forgot to mention affortable too. Perhaps an apt? This websites are a goldmine or someone looking to have fun.
Thanks guys,
MaximusOyer
Am in Cali right now. Visited Dr. Love casa a few days ago and Pharaon (Pharoh) club a few days before. Prices are quite cheap, but the quality is not the best at these two clubs, girls ranged from 4 to 7.
Paid 45,000 for an hour at Pharaon, about 17US. Not much of an experience, here, more like an assembly line. One problem with this experience is that the girls here have a certain routine at this club, they must put on the condom before any BJ, then they try to get you inside quite quickly and of course they are strictly business and their pussy is as dry as the Mojado desert. Hard to stick an unlubricated condom covered penis up a dry canal. Even with an hour session they have a pre-ordained routine like an assembly line. Unless you have viagra power it is tough to get excited making love to latex (which you can do at home just as well).
Dr. Love (a block away) had about 15 average looking girls on a Saturday afternoon. For a half an hour of nursing (joke) back to life I paid about 25,000 pesos which is $10 US. Girl was energetic and gave a good BBBJ.
Both of these casas/clubs are on the street by the Cali River, I think near the Aparta-hotel. Cab drivers know the location.
Prices are alot less than Flora frescas because the Colombian guys go to these 2 clubs. Mostly tourists at Flora frescas and alot of show but not much natural experience.
Has anyone been to Tanga Club near Unicentro lately? I asked the cab drivers but they had not heard of this club. Maybe it closed.
Am sidetracked by a cute young girl from a marriage agency. Took her our dancing at Brisas on Avenida Sexta last night and watched her drink me under the table. Most Colombian girls love to dance and drink. Time will tell if she is for me, but I am enjoying the relationship for now.
At 1 am there were alot of young girls on Avenida Sexta looking for a nighttime companion. Some of the bad girls were as young as 13 according to my novia and were working because they needed the money. The police were on this same street corner removing a drunk from this bar, but they did not seem to care about all the young girls seeking action.
Just got back from another trip to Colombia. I spent a total of twelve days 7 in Cali and 5 in Medellin (3 in Cali, 5 in Medellin, then the final 4 in Cali.) This was my second trip to Cali and my third to Medellin. I was traveling with Frijole and we expected to hook up with China Monger in Cali, but it just never happened.
I again stayed at the Hostal San Fernando (www.calihotel.com) and can't say enough about how far out of his way the owner Rigo will go to make sure that you have a good time and find what you are looking for.
Cali Report:
Kaliente Club: Calle 25 Norte No. 2 Bis - 47, B. San Vicente, 653-6832. Kaliente is probably my favorite place in Cali. Usually between 10 to 15 girls available. $80,000 pesos for an hour on site and $180,000 for three hours at your hotel. If you take the girl to go they will add travel time onto the three hours to make sure that you get the three hours with the girl. Make sure that you mention this to the manager with whom you make the deal. I was also taking dance classes in Cali so most days I would pull a girl out of Kaliente take my hour dance class and then spend two hours in the bedroom. All of the girls I pulled out of Kaliente were a lot of fun both in the dance class and in bed. The sala in Kaliente is substantially dirtier than the last time I was there. I did not do anything on site so I can't say whether the bedrooms were clean or not.
Jhon Davis: Av. 2 Bis Norte #28 47 661-6282. This place is around the corner and down the street from Kaliente. They hand out business cards that say that they are a butcher shop. I found the quality of chicas there to be substantially lower than Kaliente. But others might disagree. I did pull an 18 year old named Deisy out of there. She looked great until she came out of the bathroom naked, she must have been wearing a girdle or something. When the clothes came off everything spread and sagged. She denied it but I suspect that she has at least one kid. She was really sweet but the performance was terrible. She was very concerned that I finish so I in fact faked it, thanked her and sent her on her way. 1 hr to go $50,000. One hour on site $40,000.
Right next door to Jhon Davis is another house same price structure as Jhon Davis but the girls weren't to my taste.
Two blocks down from Jhon Davis is a house with a blue wall, I don't know the address or the name. The night I pulled Deisy Frijole got a girl from there $80,000 pesos for an hour to go. The girl had a cute face and an incredible body but her teeth were more crooked than a Colombian politician. She claimed that on some Friday and Saturday nights there are college girls that come to work there to pay there tuition, buy books etc. We did go there on a Saturday night but only saw the same old lineup. But it might be worth checking if you are there.
FLORAS FRESCA or LA MANSION ROSADA, as some cab drivers know it: Calle 20N No.4N-16, 660-1958. FF is worth visiting once just to see the lesbo show. There are also usually some pretty good looking ladies there. You have to buy drinks there beers I think are $5,000 pesos and a bottle of rum is $40,000 pesos with coke and ice included, if you don't finish the bottle you can take it with you or give it to the girls. The last time I was in Cali I did one on site session at FF. I did my session early and watched them put the sheets etc. on the bed as my girl and I waited. My girl then told me that there is only one set of fresh sheets per night and that they only make up the bed, but don't change the sheets after each couple finishes. That was my first and only on site experience there. The house fee seems to range between $50-70,000 pesos, I paid 50 and dealt with a waiter, Fabio, that I had tipped well on other occassions but Frijole paid 70 and dealt with the other waiter, Manolo, so beware. The girls will ask for between $100-200k per hour but the most I paid was $250k for 2 hours. The clock doesn't start running until you get to your hotel. Again I did not have any bad experiences with any of the girls that I pulled from FF. One tip is don't get the reputation of being a tight wad there or the girls will shun you. Take care of the waiters and they will always get you a table and will in fact go and take girls you want away from other customers. Another tip, we went there on a Saturday night around 11:30 and no one was there. Only about 5 girls hanging around and an equal number of customers. We only stayed a few minutes and then we took off. We found out later that all of the girls were down in the rooms sleeping because it was so dead. The lesson is that it pays to ask. Also almost any girl there will give you her number and meet you in her off hours. This is a good thing to do because FF is closed on Sunday and almost everything else is dead.
Another interesting place to check out is La Mansion. Some guy that used to be a customer at FF opened his own club. It is in a beautiful house and one girl said that on some nights there are 20-25 girls there, but the night that we went there was only about 6 an none of them appealed to me. It is across the street from the church in the Templete. I think that Frijole got a business card from the owner so check his report for the address and telephone number.
Other places I visited, but did not sample the wares: Calle 23 C. Norte No. 3AN-05 B. Versalles 661-7071 $35,000 one hour on site. Didn't see anything I liked. Pharaon and Dr. Love don't remember the addresses and didn't see anything I liked. There are any number of casas in Cali so have fun and be safe.
Medellin:
I missed out of a couple of days of hobbying in Medellin because una amiga took the bus in from Manizales to spend the weekend with me. So I am sure that Frijole's report on Medellin will be more informative than my own.
The places that I did visit:
Lutron: A large mansion in the hills in Poblado (check Frijole's report for the address and number, I think that he got a card.) $80,000 for an hour on site $160,000 for two hours in your hotel. You can also spend time in a private swimming pool with the girl of your choice of $70,000 an hour. Lutron is clean and very well run. Open from 11:00 a.m. to 9:30 p.m. Monday through Saturday. They have girls to meet any taste and every girl that I have ever been with there has been sweet, nice and attentive. The rooms are clean and each room has a different theme. They are thoroughly cleaned after every session. I highly recommend a visit and when your there ask for a tour of the premises, I am sure that you'll be impressed.
Casa Oriente: Again I don't have the address or phone number but Frijole may. Every cab driver we got knew were this place was. Only went there on night this trip there were between 45-50 girls there, something for everyone. To be truthful I don't know what the current rate is for on site, like FF one pair of clean sheets per night. The house fee to leave is $70,000 and the girl doesn't have to come back or $50,000 for a short time (2 hours) they won't tell you about the short time unless you ask. The going rate for the girls is $100k per hour. All of the girls there will give you there numbers for outside services and to avoid the house fee. This is a good idea again because most everything is closed on Sunday so pre-plan and get some numbers.
Energy: Cra 74 No. 49-101, Tel 436-1131: Nice house near downtown. Around 10 girls when I went there, one girl I found very attractive unfortunately there were three of us there and we couldn't find something for everyone so we moved on. $60,000 for an hour on site, $100,000 for two girls for an hour on site and $120,000 for two hours to go. They open at 9:00 a.m. but I don't know when they close.
Faces Dos: Again see Frijole's report for the address and telephone number. This is a warehouse that has been converted into a strip club. The night that I was there they had a nice selection of between 15-20 girls. $140,000 for a short time (30 mins.) in the cabanas next door. I asked the girl that I did for her number she said that she was going to get a pen and then give me her number I waited about ten minutes and she didn't come back so I took off.
We also searched for the Legendary CASA BLANCA. It is supposedly a large beautiful house in downtown Medellin. Despite our best efforts and those of several cab drivers we never found it. We did, however, get to see quite a bit of downtown Medellin at night. Unless you are looking to pick up a transvestite and/or become a stabbing victim stay away from downtown at night.
In my opinion the girls in Medellin, on a whole are more attractive. There's just something about a Paisa. But tastes very and any hobbyist could have a great time in either city. But always be aware of your environment and remain aware that Colombia is a dangerous place filled with desperate people.
hola putos,
cali report:
i was in cali for about two weeks. i tried using the wsg to plan my attack but, found it quite frustrating because of all the bs on this site. thus, i hope the following helps members plan their future trips.
1) flores frescas:
a. address: see simple mans report.
b. prices:
cover charge: $15,000.00 per person. beer costs $5,000 pesos. bottle of rum cost $40,000 with cokes, and ice included.
on site $ for an hour or until you blow, whichever comes first (this includes room and girl of your choice). offsite $50-70,000.00 pesos house fee to take girl out (i paid $70,000 and simple man only paid $50,000, i discussed the matter with simple man and it seems i was overcharged) and the girls charge between $100,000.00 to $200,000.00 per hour depending on your negotiation skills. i paid $100, 000.00 pesos per hour but, i did tell the girls, i wanted at least a 2hr session. im not sure if that helped me lower the price, and i always gave them a $20,000.00 peso tip. having been around, i know how important it is not to be labeled a cheapskate.
c. ladies: they have about 20 girls all shapes and sizes. most of the gals are between 19 years old and 25 years old (im guessing based on looks and personal experience). there were some that, i thought, were quite stunning and others that were quite ugly. overall the quality was to my satisfaction. most of the girls are 7 and 8s with a few 10s in the mix. most girls will give you their cell phone numbers for outside services, a good way to avoid paying the house fee.
d. premisses: the place is kinda dirty and dingy. the first night i went for the onsite 1hr package and i was disappointed when i saw the room. the room was dirty and smelled like cat [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url]. i would strongly recommend paying the club fine and taking the girl to your hotel. the club itself is located in a reasonably safe neighborhood and there is plenty of security at the club itself. flores frescas is a converted house. as you enter you are directed up several stair ways to the third floor where the dance floor is located. the rooms, for in-house services, are located on the second floor.
2) pharaon: near the cali river. walked and walked out. the gals were ugly and the place was not all that interesting. all i can say is, thank god there was no cover.
3) torre de cali: near the cali river. walked and walked out. the gals were ugly and the place was not all that interesting. all i can say is, thank god there was no cover.
4) la mansion:
address: located in the south side, by the iglesia del templete, in front of el templete park, cra. 36 no. 6-43, 6-49. tel. 514-1066
prices: there is a $15,000.00 peso cover charge. $10,000 of that is applied towards your bar tab. beer $5,000.
ladies: they had 5 girls and they were all fairly ugly. although, some of you pig fuckers might have been in heaven, i certainly was not. according to the owner they have a lesbian show there nightly but, only if they have a significant number of patrons. i was there with simple man and we were the only two customers they has thus, they told us there would be no lesby show. suffice it to say, i was glad considering how ugly the women were. i did not ask for any prices since, the women were not to my standards.
premises: this place is modeled after flores frescas. its a big house with many rooms and the dance floor/bar area is located in the third floor. the house is very nice and very clean. the only thing missing are the hot chicks.
5) kaliente:
address: calle 25 norte, no. 2 bis-47, b. san vicente (near chipichappe).
tel. (2) 653-6832.
prices: no cover charge. since i did not order anything to drink im not sure of the prices but, there is a list of prices on the left wall as you enter the location. they charge $60,000.00 for half an hour on-site with the lady of your choice, $80,000.00 for an hour, and $180,000.00 for 3 hours either in your hotel or on the premises.
ladies: they have about 12 to 15 girls daily. most of the gals there are very good looking and very nice. i strongly recommend this fine business establishment.
premises: the house is located in a relatively safe neighborhood. there are several other houses within a block or two. the establishment is open 24hours seven days a week. however, sunday the gals get the day off and working that day is voluntary. thus, sundays you may or may not find any girls working. the downstairs is devided into two separate areas where the customers are seated and the girls are brought out for show. the place was dirty and thus, i opted for the 3 hour services at my hotel.
6) other: if you are looking for a great place to stay that is affordable, i strongly recommend the hostal san fernando, calle 3 no. 27-87, zona sur, cali colombia, tel 556-4820. the rooms are clean and nice, the staff is great, and the prices are very reasonable. also, the owner rigoberto is a great source for information on the best clubs, house, and restaurants.
p.s. see my report on medellin if you are planning on hitting both cities.
Great reports Frijole, Simple Man and NPaul. I specially like the fact that you provide us with addresses and phone numbers when possible.
NPaul, I went many times to Tanga Tangas. I think that they have a great selection. They are opened only after 7PM every day (except Sunday). I sadly do not have the address. As far as I remember, it's a little bit south of 70th and Pasoancho (on pasoancho). If going south, it will be on your left side, just after a chicken restaurant. You'll see a guy sitting outside in front of a garage. Get inside (no cover), 3 floors up, and in there there are 10-20 college girls waiting for you. It's a bit more expensive than other places. A beer runs for $5000 pesos and the girl is about $40000 for the half hour.
Freeze
Hola Antifreeze,
I will be back in Cali in March (on my way to Sau Paulo). Do you have the address and phone number to Tanga Tanga. Unfortunately, several of the taxi cabs i was in did not have a clue where anything was located. Thus a physical address or a phone number would be greatly appreciated. Also, many places do not advertise in the Yellow Pages. Thanks!!!
Thanks in advance to any answer to the following question :
I want maybe go to Cali instead of my usual trip to Sao Paulo, being more for the moment in the 'GFE' mood than in the strictly mongering trip with daily visits to bomboa, Cafe Photo and Love Story ....
I could arrive on 8th April, but realise 8th and 9th April are holidays in Colombia, and also that school holidays begin on 8th till 18th : so my question is : Is Cali desert during this long week end (regular beerbars and discos closed ?) and during those two weeks could non pro hunting be low ?
Cheers
Pro
I believe that the April holyday that you refer to is 'semana santa'. Cali is a ghost town during that time. I am sorry to say that even I find it boring to stay in here. Non-pro chasing is a waste. The entire mistery resides in the fact that I do not have a clue where everyone goes!!! There must be a great party somewhere! But surely not in Cali.
Freeze
Antifreeze, thanks, great and useful advice !!
Maybe the week following Semana Santa could be better ...
Cheers
Before today I didn't really read too many reports. Maybe a few. I just read the entire Cali section. Interesting posts with many different opinions on the place. I just bought a ticket arriving in less than two weeks.
One thing that I think should be pointed out is that just because someone chooses to go to places like Fresca Flores doesn't ruin the market down there. Every city I've been to has their high end places that have always charged more and always will charge more. You can choose to stay and play or walk away. In all reality it's not going to change the market dynamics. In Buenos Aires it's Blacks, in Rio it's Barbarellas, in Lugano-Switzerland it's Cava. Sometimes it's a rip off and sometimes it's just more expensive. Like I said, it doesn't really change the market as a particular segment of the hobbying segment frequents such places anyway.
I agree with one poster when he said that sometimes girls will blackball you if they think you are super cheap. I couldn't believe someone offered 30 cents tip and asked for change. That is unreal to me. Whether we want to think of it or not, the girls that work in these clubs are offering a commodity. Prices are dictated by supply and demand. I always treat these girls like the princesses they are and have always been rewarded handsomely.
Anyway, it sounds like Leo was correct that it isn't the best place for P2P but the amatuer scene sounds fun. I've met up with him in Buenos Aires and Rio and we have similar tastes in girls. I'll check out the action and hope it's fun. I normally can have fun wherever I'm at though. I've hobbied now extensively in the USA, border towns of Mexico, interior of Mexico, Canada, Argentina, Brazil, Costa Rica, Cuba and several countries in Western Europe. Every trip has been an adventure.
This Hotel San Fernando... Can someone give me an accurate idea of how comfortable the rooms are. What about the Dann Hotel? Is there a website link for the Dann Hotel?
I noticed Slick1 posted he got a regular non-sexual massage. Are there many good massage places with professional masseuses? If so, what is the name and address? I don't see it listed in the reports. Nothing beats a daily massage to get the day started right.
Also, will my GSM phone work down there? Can you buy a SIM card for an unlocked GSM phone and if so how much and where do you buy it? Thanks in advance. I'll post a detailed post as usual upon return.
Saint
If you are looking to find a true amatuer (GF) in Cali you should be prepared to spend a lot of time in Cali and don't expect to get laid right off the bat. I spoke with a lot of guys down there who were under the impression that they were dating nice amatuer girls. These guys almost all had the same story, multiple shopping sprees, family dinners, being stood up for dates, waiting around for their novias to call and waiting for sex because she is such a nice girl. Then when you talk to the locales you find out that your friend's "novia" attaches hereself to every turista that comes along. Maybe I'm a little cynical, because I have actually been down that path, but I call these girls semi-pros. They usually cost you more than an actual pro and you don't get what you are paying for, sex. I don't think that you are going to meet a nice Colombian girl hanging out at the beer kiosk at the mall. You're going to meet a golddigging semi-pro, but as long as you know the score, and are playing her while she's playing you, have fun. That being said, Cali is a great P2P locale if you speak some spanish and have a sense of adventure you can find new casas every day of your trip with chicas to satisfy everyone's taste.
Hola Saint,
Well I respectfully disagree that Cali is not a great place for P2P. I've been to various country's in latin america (Panama, Costa Rica, Brazil, Mexico, ect.) In my humble opinion Cali is agreat place to go meet the working "ladies". There is a casa with hot young chicas on nearly every block. The most expensive places charge between 100-150 pesos an hour (35-45 US). Some casas have 18-20 year old gals with little experience in the business and some charge as little as $15 US per hr. for in-house services. Most of the Colombianas you meet in other countries first did the Colombian Circuit (Cali, Medellin, Cartagena, Bogota, ect.) prior to their travels. Thus, in my opinion the gals in Colombia seem less jaded than those you meet in say Panama. Plus, in places like Panama, the gals all seem to have the same routine which, to be quite honest gets old quick.
As for meeting nice gals I would agree with Simple Man. However, if you do meet a gal you want to spend time with take her to Zona Rosa or Avenida Sexta ( where you will find lots of great, but affordable, restaurants, discos, and bars). Good Luck!!!
Thanks for the advice. I doubt I'll have problems. I can play the "game" with the best of them. You will never find me waiting around on a girl to call. Ha, ha. That is hilarious. I was on Amigos.com a while back and had tons of Columbian girls emailing me but all were seriously looking for a gringo husband. I'm not looking for that. I plan on being honest and telling them I want to 'butterfly' around.
I'm sure it will be a good adventure. I'm going down for 5 nights so that should be enough time to get a feel for the place. Thanks.
Saint
Ok fellas,
I am in Panama City now and it looks like I am going to be taking a trip to Cali in mid to late march. In Panama City the chicas show me SOME love but it definitely isnt what I expected. Probably because of the strong US influence in Panama (dammit) and the fact that I look like I am from Panama. BUT anyhow, I will be there in mid to late March and would love to hook up with some of you guys out there so I don't waste my time "learning to ropes". I am aleady sent some of you PM's. Any random info would be appreciated. Oh, and if any of you are coming to Panama city let me know, I'll brief you on what I know about the happenings here.
Wish me luck
Ok, enclosed is a pro out here in Panama. I included this pic because im hoping the chics in Cali look much better then she does.
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Saint
I had a good non sexual massage arranged at the gym in the Intercontinental. I think I paid about 22k pesos for 45 min- 1 hour. It was very good. Also there is an Estetica up the hill from the Intercontinental. As you face the lobby, it's on the right side of the hotel. Had another good massage from a very cute girl. Also then went for the total body fruit salad treatment. This was pretty bizarre as 2 girls basically turned me into a human fruit salad. It did feel good though and I smelled great. Just don't forget to wash the oatmeal and honey out of your ears or you will be surprised when you go to brush your hair. This place was a bit pricier, but cheap by our standards. Cali has plenty of places to pamper yourself and it is a good way to kill a couple hours. Also the spas and hair salons are full of hot women that love it when a stranger pays a visit. I think its part of the reason the Colombianas look so good. they do take care of themselves. Had a great time getting a haircut at the salon on top of the hill as well. Enjoy the trip.
Free Sex,
Wow, tell me you're just being sarcastic because that Panamanian chica is a real cutie. Oh well, "different strokes..."!
Wish'n U Luck
Ez
Today is my last day here in Cali, It took me a while to get here, but the waiting was worth it, I have fallen in love with this city. It's really amazing how many beautiful women you see , I mean almost everywhere you look you see a beautiful woman.I want to thank the members of this board for sharing their valuable information. I visited many places and met so many lovely ladies. I will definitlely be back next month. With my guide Andres we even went to a couple of other cities near Cali, and met some girls who lived there that he knew and introduced me to.
I went to some casas but I prefered the semi-pros that my guide knew because you are not on the clock and you can spend some time with them without that kind of pressure, but that's something he sets up with the girl beforehand, however I took some girls out of those houses to bring them home the first days of my visit. I also went to some discos last friday and saturday outside the city, a place called Menga, that stays open after the bars and discos in the city close. We went with some of Andres' old collage friends among which there were four girls, two of which were absolutely stunning but he said that you'd have to put too much time into it before they put out but I made friends with them and got their emails, you never know what can happen in the future. I went to Fresh Fowers too and even though is a much more expensive than the other houses by the river that I visited, the women there were better looking. We were lucky and one of them gave us their number for us to call her the next day, which I did and had great sex for an hour. What a beautiful girl she was. If any of you go there, ask for Tania, she told me she was new there so that's even better I think.
Thanks for the new report World Traveler. Can you PM me Andres contact info. I normally don't believe in guides and probably won't use one for Cali but Columbia seems like the type of place where it might be better to hang out with a local at least 1-2 nights.
I've been emailing with Ramon that some of you recommended. He advised against the Intercontinental as he said that lately they are hassling with girls. I'll stay somewhere else. Probably Hostel San Fernando as the owner seems cool and it's highly recommended. Does anyone know a fair rate to pay someone to take you around? I don't really need the translating stuff but just mainly interested in the safety in numbers theory, although I've never been worried to go out alone even in places like Rio at 3 AM.
Fresca Flores sounds like my type of place. I don't mind paying a little extra if the quality is better. I plan on checking out the whole scene and will report once I'm there. I'll be on the ground there next week. Thanks again for all the good info.
Saint
Hey Saint,
I'm in Cali now and been using my paragliding instructor as a "Guide" at night. His base rate $35 for the evening with a bit of translating to break the ice with the chicas plus expenses (taxis etc...) and this guy knows the city and has great contacts with the chicas and and what ever else you may need. He's a local and a perro/dog.
He has been educated in the US and speaks English and Spanish fluently.
You can contact him yourself at [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue] or PM me if you want to know more or meet up for a cerveza or ron.
Cheers,
Rufus
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Sure Saint,
Andres' email address is [blue][Email address deleted by Admin][/blue]
Have a good time.
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Here's I girl I originally met in Cali about 7 years ago, wanted to marry her then but she got scared. Now she says she wants to marry me now. I'm scared. Hope to visit her next month.
I am planning to go to Colombia for one week, can anyone please recommend which of these two cities to choose, Medellin or Cali.
I am into disco scene at night and sightseeing, beaches during day time. Which city offer better prices in terms of chica and quality. What to do in these cities during day time. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I'm in Cali now. I've been here the past 2 days. I typed up a monster report and a daily diary but I can't get my USB stick to work with this crappy computer that is running Windows '95 so I'll have to post it later. I have lots of thoughts on Cali in my report but for now I can tell you that I do like this city.
Cali will never be a major hobby destination. The US Government instills too much fear into Americans. I can honestly tell you to ignore the warnings. Cali is a very safe city as long as you don't stray outside of the city. The people are some of the friendliest I've ever met anywhere. The city to be blunt is...well ugly but the people make up for it with their hospitality and genuine warmth. I went to Flores Frescas last night and pulled out a hottie. Don't worry..I got lots of pictures. That place has some good talent. The key is not to be cheap there or you will be labled a cheap ass and the girls will avoid you like the plague. That is what happened to some of you if you're wondering why you didn't pull out girls. If they ask for the 150,000 pesos just pay it. You're basically haggling over $10 that will cost you a hot session.
It's not cheap there at $150,000 per hour plus the exit fee of $70,000 but my girl Evyln stayed 2 hours and I think she would have stayed much longer. She said the club was closing so she didn't have to go back but I was super tired so after the deed I sent her away. We are supposed to go on a dinner date on Sunday. She made me promise to call her.
I just had a monster 3 hour very GFE session with Nicole from Kaliente. Very sweet girl. We were both digging eachother. I knew I could have left but I bought her a drink and I had a RedBull so we could chit chat. It was a good move because we were making out like crazy and getting to know one another. It's 180,000 pesos to pull them out for 3 hours. Oh yeah, I got pictures of her too. I'm tired. I'm debating showering and going back out but probably won't since I went two rounds with her.
The city starts and ends much earlier than BA or Rio. They have good restaurants and the taxi's are cheap. I've had a lot of non-pro girls try talking to me at the malls but I'm just not that motivated since I'm leaving in a few days.
I'll post my reports and my pictures when I get back on Tuesday.
Saint
Tica Man,
Neither, as far as beach scene is concerned. If that is what you want you should go to Cartagena (safest and more tourist -oriented) or Medellin
Tica Man,
Sorry, but he last sentence should read Cartagena ... or San Andres.
But to make a long story short, Cartagena if just your best bet.
Damn guys. I've been out all day since 9 AM. It's about 11:30 PM here and I am gonna shower then go out. The girls here are hotter than any other place I've been to including Brazil and Argentina. Walk around Chipe Chope mall on a Saturday night and you'll break your necks looking at all the hot girls.
The P2P scene is also great. Wait till you see some of these pictures. I'm having a problem because I have 3 dates tomorrow and not sure who to go out with. I also am thinking about extending my stay another week. I met a girl that I think could be the next Mrs. Saint. A normal girl that works as a receptionist at a salon. I made the bold move asking if she is married. She is by far one of the hottest girls I've ever seen. She said no. I asked if she had a boyfriend and she said yes. I asked if he was a good guy. She said no. I kind of just moved on as my driver was waiting. Guess what? She called my hotel when I was out and I called her and even though she is going to Bogota for 3 days she wants me to wait for her until Tuesday. I think I am going to. She is just sweet and gorgeous. I talked to her for about 30 minutes on the phone and I told her I can't stop thinking about her. The last thing she told me was not to forget about her. She is a 10!
I'm loving Cali. The people are so friendly and the chicas are HOT. Take it from me. I've traveled all around the world but the amateur scene as well as the P2P scene here is phenomenal. They key is to not come across as a cheap ass at a lot of places. I have lots of stories. More later.
It's almost 3:30 AM here. Another one of my Floras Frescas girls left. Her body was hot but I thought her face would have been better but it's so dark in the club. Still, she was awesome in the sack and had more energy then most of the girls I have been with. It's easy accumulating phone numbers and novias here.
One important thing. If you don't speak at least intermediate to conversational Spanish you can't crack the amateur scene. Hola, como estas and cuantos anos tienes will only go so far. LEARN some Spanish.
I'm dead tired. I'm not sleeping much. Rigo is a great guy but the bed isn't that comfortable. I really think I'll stay a whole another week if I can swing it with work. I think I've been gone more than I've been there so far this year.
I agree with many of the guys that said the amateur scene is great but I disagree when they said the P2P scene is not that great. It's awesome. I sessioned with hotties every day. I've also taken the time to see the city and do normal vacation stuff. I'll post it in my daily journal on my laptop. Take care, I have to try to get some sleep. I have a lot to do tomorrow including trying to change my ticket. I can't get this girl out of my head and that very seldom happens.
Saint,
I recognized you from the BA board.
I see you are in Colombia now. You are definitely the
Magellan of mongers!
I read your line about Cali having the hottest chicas, above
BR and BA! A hell you're saying!!!
Are you sure?? Could you give us a comparison of prices
with BA in lodging, food, services etc...
Also, don't forget to tell us about "the one"
I can see the headlines "after mongering around the globe,
Saint is finally capture by calena secretary"
Or "Saint's fall, Big hit for the US monger cartel"
Have fun amigo!
DWC
Saint
Glad to read you are having a great time. I look forward to your detailed reports. I think you will be leaving Colombia with many of the same impressions I had. Enjoy the rest of your stay and steer clear of the next Mrs. Saints boyfriend. Next time I will join you down there.
Slick
Dances with chicas,
Yeah. I've been doing quite a bit of traveling the past few months. Just in the last few months I've hit Switzerland, Italy, Cuba, Cancun, Costa Rica, Paris, Germany, London and now Cali. I'm still going to the French Riviera next month, Peru in April and Amsterdam/Paris/Prague in May. No trips planned after that. I need a rest I think. Ha, ha.
I have a very detailed report but it's on my laptop. I brought a USB keychain stick but many of these computers here are Windows 95 so it won't work even after downloading the drivers from the Kingston website.
I stand by my post that the Columbianas are the hottest girls on the planet. I mean there are plenty of hot Brasileras and Argentinas but percentage wise there are more hot girls here. Make no mistake, the city is kind of a dump. It's not beautiful. Sure there are nice neighborhood but almost every nice area is next to a crappy area. It's an anomoly. I hired a taxi the other day and paid $8 an hour for him to just drive me around the city for 4 hours. I went to nice areas, I went to poor areas. I went to the top of Cristo Rey. I'm sure must mongers coming here don't do that kind of thing but as I mentioned, I'm not just here to hobby. I've really enjoyed discovering new cultures and getting to know the people. You can't go to a country and just go to P2P places and get a handle on a city.
Frankly, Cali can't compare to BA or most other cities astetically. But the people here are so warm, genuine and it leaves you with a certain happy feeling. I'll post all of this in my report.
Starfe just changed my ticket for me with American. I'm staying another week. God, I can't stop thinking about this girl. There is this wholesome quality about her but on the other side she is just so sexy. Beauty pagent material. I was told during my massage she was 25. It was funny. I was getting my daily 1 hour full body massage and I asked the lady if my girl was married. She said no. I think here as long as you aren't married you are fair game. These girls might have boyfriends but these Calenos are such dogs. There are so many hot girls here they can't stay faithful so they cheat on them. They might get caught but all the other guys are doing it too so the girls just have to put up with it.
So, I'm getting my massage and I had Gloria call down and ask her what time she got off. The day before she was gone when I was done. She told the masseuse that she leaves for lunch at 1 PM. I wasn't done till like 1:45 PM. She asks why she wanted to know and the lady told her that I thought she was beautiful and wanted to talk to her. Then the hottie told her to tell me she comes back from lunch at 3 PM. Well, guess what? When I got done she was still there. I think she was waiting on me. She was quick to tell me that she didn't have a husband. Then I asked if she had a boyfriend and she reluctantly said yes. But when I asked her if he was a good guy she just stood there thinking and didn't say yes.
This is what I mean. You HAVE to be able to communicate with girls if you stand a shot at any sort of relationship. Girls get bored quick. I've found that part of my good luck in and out of the hobby is being able to keep them interested, laughing and of course the great sex doesn't hurt either... Ha, ha.
Anyway, I left but I went to a country club and was playing raquetball with Rigo and ther other guy we went out with the other night. Let's call him Jay. We went to the sauna and I just told those guys I couldn't get my mind off this girl. Rigo told me to just call her up and I told him he was reading my mind. I was going to tell her I knew she had a boyfriend and I can respect that but I just want to go have a coffee with her or lunch/dinner to talk and get to know one another.
I got sidetracked with Jay and we spent several hours at Kaliente with some hot girls. (I have the pictures to prove it). Somehow Jay and I ended up in the same room half naked with the girls naked! I'll elaborate in my report.
So, at this point it's about 10 PM and I haven't been home since 9 AM or so. I forgot all about my hottie. Then Rigo tells me that she called me! I'm not sure how she even found out where I was staying. I never gave her my #. She told Rigo that she just doesn't do this type of thing but she couldn't stop thinking about me. Ahhhh. I know. So I called her and voila. I told her I couldn't get her off of my mind (true) and that I wanted to get to know her. She basically told me her boyfriend is a piece of crap. I asked if her parents liked him and she quickly said, "NO!" She went to Bogota early this morning with her parents but she's coming back on Tuesday night and she made me promise to call her.
Slick1,
I reasoned she might have a drug dealer boyfriend but I eliminated that for the following reason. She has been working at this salon 2 years. If she had a rich dealer boyfriend she wouldn't be working in this type of job. I'm not scared. Cali is NOTHING to be scared about. I walk alone at night although I probably wouldn't recommend it.
Today is Sunday and I'm really tired only having slept 4 hours. I have 3 girls that want to do something today. Sh*t. I told 3 of them I'd call them so I have to decide who to see. Today I might take a tour in the mountains. I heard it might be a little dangerous but I hear it's beautiful. Rigo thinks I should ask Evelyn the first girl from Flores Frescas. I'm thinking maybe the girl from Kaliente. Decisions, decisions.
My final comment for this post. If you can speak some Spanish go up to a girl and talk to her. Tell her you think she is beautiful. Ask if she has a boyfriend. Whether you are in a restaurant, cafe, club, walking down the street. You really have nothing to lose and everything to gain. If you're in the late 20's to late 30's range you will have a good shot here. I'm not sure about guys older than that. Generally most of these girls are young. I haven't seen any hot girls walking around with anyone older than 30's. Even at Chipe Chope. Most of the girls are with younger guys. That doesn't mean it's not possible but these people really take care of themselves. I've seen very few slobs. Generally a girl takes great care of herself and she will demand that the guy she is with looks good too. You may think to yourself yeah but I have money. Well, let me tell you money isn't everything.
More later.
Saint
I took the trip up to Christo Rey as well. Kind of an eerie feeling up there with all the grave markers and no one else around. I found the view of the mist covered Andes off the backside much more interesting than the view of the city below. Like you it made me want to go exploring. It looks stunningly beautiful up there. I never did go beyond Christo Rey and heeded the warnings of many. While I agree wholeheartedly with your assessments of Cali I held my explorer instincts in check. I believe there are dangers in the mountains and that the statistics don't lie. There has to be a reason why there are so many militia walking around with machine guns. I may be wrong, but it was the word of many of the people of Cali that convinced me to stay on level ground. Perhaps some of the board members living down there may want to chime in on this subject. Saint I know I am not going to quell the explorer in you and I'll probably be reading a great post on your day in the Andes, but be careful my friend. Sounds like you have got everything you need waiting for you at the reception desk. Take that girl over to Club Chango in Juanchito and Salsa up a storm. Enjoy.
thanks for the warning slick1. i know the risks. im not sure i will go because the jay and rigo think it might not be a good idea to invite one of the working girls i met. might be too suspicious for jay who has been spending a lot of time with me. im at chipi choppe mall now and i can use my usb stick. here is my detailed diary for those interested.
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here is my report so far.
my reports read more like a diary or journal entry. there is probably more information on other things than just sex so if youre not interested feel free to stop reading now. thanks.
i had an uneventful journey although during the descent to cali it was very turbulent. i was flying upfront so i was the first to go through customs. it was very quick and easy with no lines. something interesting here is they dont stamp your passport with a traditional stamp. its fed through a computer and imprinted on your passport page. kind of like a deposit receipt at the bank.
after customs you go downstairs and get your bags if you checked luggage. if not, you simply go through the final security area and hand them your papers. i wasnt checking luggage so i was the first one out. there are lots of people waiting outside for their friends and family members arriving. it kind of reminded me of cuba.
my driver was waiting for me. i knew i could simply take a taxi from the airport but rigo from my hotel told me hed arrange it if i wanted. i asked the price and he said $19. im sure it was a little more than simply taking it but whats $2? it was actually nice to have someone there ready waiting for me and that took my bags. its comforting after a flight.
the ride to the hotel was quick and easy. ive said it before and ill say it again. take some time to learn some basic spanish. this is another country where the vast majority of the people speak no english. i could communicate well with my taxi driver and he was pointing out certain areas. upon arrival i meet rigoberto or rigo. hes a great guy as others have mentioned. his english is perfect as he formally lived in the us. he has a very genuine outgoing character and we got along well. id highly recommend the hostel san fernando.
i got a room with an american style mattress. its nothing to write home about but i was able to sleep a few hours last night so thats a relief. the pillows arent that great though so you may want to pack your own. the place is quaint and nothing fancy. its like the high end casa particulars (apartments) in cuba.
i took a shower and changed and rigo said he was going to flores frescas (ff) with this other dude and asked if i wanted to go. i was going to go there anyway so i went with them. i heard ff is the nicest place in town with the hottest girls. i didnt know what to expect but so far everyone was friendly that i met. its a multiple story building and the club is on the top floor (3rd). there is a big stage with chairs and couches around it. the room was very dark though. the entrance fee here is 15,000 pesos. beers were 5,000 pesos. i think redbulls might have been 10,000 or 15,000 pesos. i cant remember.
there are definitely some cute girls here. id say the majority were 7s and 8s with an occasional 9. to be honest, i expected better though. the club had a good upbeat feel to it. we got there before the nightly lesbian show. around 11 pm the girls all dance on the stage or around it so the guys can see their bodies and get a better look at them. there is also more light so this is your chance to take a good look at them. if you want them to do a little mini-lap dance you can call them over. give them like 2,000 pesos as a tip or 5,000 if you really like her. if you want to see her after their dancing just ask her. te gustaria beber algo conmigo despues bailando? (would you like to drink something with me after dancing). you might want to get some small bills before coming here. i didnt have many but luckily i always carry around a lot of $1 bills.
this is definitely not the place you want to be cheap in. its evident right away these girls will shut you down fast and hard if youre cheap. i saw some americans haggling with some girls and after that i saw that none of the girls would even look at the guys. if some of you had problems here before that might be the reason why. my philosophy is at the more upscale places you can expect to pay more. is haggling over $10 really worth it? i cant believe so many guys i meet will give up sessioning with a hottie for very little money. they always say sh*t like its the principle of the matter. that is utter bs to me. lets be honest. youre just being cheap and there is no shame in admitting it. just say you dont want to spend the money instead of making excuses. remember the memories are truly priceless.
so the girls come out first in their bikinis, then around song and their clothes come off. at one point they are completely naked and you can see everything. there is nothing to hide. many girls that looked good in their clothes all of a sudden didnt look so hot. honestly, i only saw maybe 2 girls i would session with. i like a thin girl with natural big breasts so that narrowed it down to one girl. rigo told me that she could be a little cold until after she felt comfortable with you. he also told me not to be cheap with her as she would shut me down immediately. i told him ive been around a little and know how it works and im not cheap anyway.
guys have to realize in some countries you do have to take control and cant get scammed but there is a difference of not being scammed and being cheap. there are some places you can be cheap in. places like this arent one of them.
after the girls paraded naked they put their clothes back on and the lesbian show started. the girls were not the hottest but it was an awesome show. the lesbo show made the show at places like nuevo estillo in buenos aires look like two girls trying to sell girlscout cookies. these girls were going down on each other until they came. they were rubbing their pussies together vigorously, making out and sucking all over one anothers bodies. you name it. then to taunt the visitors you see this strap on dildo sitting at the edge of the stage. of course, after the suck fest there was a f*ck fest. one of the girls stapped on the dildo and they put a condom on it. the other girl started sucking the dildo. then of course they start f*cking in multiple positions. it was a pretty good show.
in fact, most of the guys there were only coming for the show. i was amazed to see guys coming here with their girlfriends to watch the show. when i asked rigo about this he told me there is not much to do in cali so this is like an artistic event for them. can you imagine taking your girlfriend back home to one of these concerts?!!
im always curious when i travel so i was asking rigo a ton of questions. hes a good guy full of a lot of knowledge about the scene here in cali. id highly recommend you stay in his place. i knew i wasnt going to pay a guide to take me around. rigo is better than any guide anyway. he just came out and had a few drinks with me and another dude then left.
after the lesbo show the girls came around collecting money for tips. keep this in mind if you tip. i gave the girl $3 because i thought they would share it. then the other girl came around asking and i told her that i already gave the other girl $3. she said ok and walked away. then rigo told me that they dont share tips so i flagged down the girl and gave her a buck too. i really think you guys should at least give each girl like 2,000 pesos or a buck each. its up to you.
none of the american or columbian guys were making any moves for the girls. i flagged over the girl i really liked. she was thin with big natural breasts. yum. evilyn appeared shy at first. maybe she is a little. 19 year old girl with one child. it seems like many of these girls already have kids. i talked with her and after staring in her eyes i knew i wanted to leave with her. it was only around midnight. i asked how much and she told me 150,000 pesos for one hour. i didnt even counteroffer. rigo told me the going rate was 100,000 200,000 depending on how hot the girl was. she was clearly the hottest girl here. plus you have to pay the house an exit fee of 70,000 pesos. some guys were speculating earlier if its 50 or 70k. they told me 70k and i was with rigo so i doubt theyd try to con us.
you have to settle up your bar bill then they charge the exit fee. i only had 4 20,000 bills and asked for change but the manager just said to pay 60,000 pesos. they called a taxi and i also had to pay the girl there in the club. at first i was a little reluctant to pay first but i did. 150,000 pesos.
when we got back i could get a better look at her in the light of my room. she was really a pretty girl with beautiful eyes. very sweet. i had my ipod with tons of music and speakers so we had music. (special thanks to seaman who guided me through the whole ipod tips/tricks process). we both showered and something a little disappointing right off the bat is she didnt allow deep kissing. i could respect that though. i dont push it. my goal with these type of girls is to really get into their heads and want to give gfe. i snapped a few pics of her. at first she wouldnt allow any nude pics with her face but then when she saw them on my digital camera screen she really liked them.
here is where your spanish comes into play. you gotta chat her up. i always say things like que bonita! dios mio, tu eres mi modelo que cara mas bonita!. stuff like that. tell them how beautiful they are. how they could be a model. before you know it they are asking you to take more pictures.
anyway, we session and im loving her body. i go down on her and she is sooo loving it. she gave me a fair bbbj. i dont think she has too much experience. shes only been working 6 months or so. the session was great. afterwards we chatted and chatted. i could tell i was getting in her head a little. i was super tired though. she stayed closer to 2 hours and i think would have stayed longer. i told her she could leave and she looked stunned. she asked me if i wanted her to leave but i turned it around saying i knew she was probably tired. she countered that the club closes at 3 am and she didnt have to go back but i was tired.
she gave me her real name as well as her cell phone number. i told her i was going to the mall and she asked if i wanted to meet her. i told her that id rather do dinner with her and we planned a date for sunday. ill probably call her as she was really a sweet girl. she has lots of potential.
im laying in bed typing this. i usually cant sleep more than 5 hours or so when i travel. they are constructing some apartments at the hotel so there is a lot of noise right now anyway. i have my laptop here. i love my little dell x200 laptop. if you dont take the bottom dvd player its only 2.5 lbs. so i can just throw it in my backpack and im good to go. im going to get a massage today and then hit the malls and see the city.
its about 5:30 pm and i just got home. ive been out all day since this morning. surprisingly im not overly anxious to hobby. believe it or not i didnt come just to hobby. ive been enjoying traveling around the world lately and just taking in new cities and cultures. some of my friends tell me to slow down or that im over doing it. what they and others dont realize is that traveling makes me happy. in general i think traveling makes all americans happier. most just dont have it high on their list of priorities. its one of my top priorities now if you couldnt tell already. im starting to understand and appreciate different cultures.
cali isnt going to win any beauty contests. the city isnt beautiful at all. in fact, i can argue that it is one of the uglier cities ive been to around the world. something that is redeeming about it is its citizens. people are so friendly here. it seems like whether you are black, white, american, european, asian, etc. they accept and embrace you here as long as you respect them and arent an ugly tourist. everywhere i go people are so polite. when i ask for directions, when im ordering food, when im buying something, the people are very friendly. i almost always here, con mucho gusto (with much pleasure). the thing of it is they really mean it!
the us state department warnings can be ignored if youre only visiting the city. i wasnt nervous before coming but you hear so much you wonder what its really like. its no different than any other city ive been to. if you practice common sense and good judgment youll be fine.
these people take good care of themselves. the majority of the people are in great shape here. even the men seem to take pride in their appearance. as others have mentioned there are a lot of esteticas around the city where people get pretty.
this morning i went to the supermarket near my hotel. i tried getting cash with my atm card but it wouldnt work at these 2 atms near the supermarket. i had a few hundred $us that i went to the casa de cambio in the supermarket but they wouldnt exchange it without my actual passport. i offered a photocopy since i never walk around with my passport but they wouldnt accept it. the exchange rate was not that great at around 2550:$1. i think the official rate is around 2700:$1.
i bought some drinks and snacks as they accept credit cards there. when i came back it was still early so i had the maid make me some breakfast and then i planned to go get a normal massage. i ran into rigo and he offered to exchange money at the same rate as the supermarket. i got $300 from him and planned to use the bancafe at the mall. rigo said others have had problems but the bancafe atms will work.
i went to an estetica not too far away. most taxis are very cheap. its interesting how the taxis work here. all the taxis have meters but they dont run a tab. instead there is a number and it gets higher. that number corresponds to a price. the minimum cost is 2300 pesos. it can escalate up to 9,000 pesos on a very long journey to unicentro mall.
this place is a nice salon. its very big with a ton of staff sitting around waiting for customers. you can get haircuts, manicures, pedicures, massages, etc. here. i inquired about a massage and she said there was a 45 minute wait. i decided to get a manicure and pedicure while i waited. im sure you guys are snickering but it doesnt matter to me. occasionally ill get this done in south america. i like to take care of myself. surprisingly so do several men here as there were several guys in here getting it done too. it was very cheap. i had them doing a manicure and pedicure at the same time. the two girls were nice. you can ask for daisy. she did a good job. it was something like 15,000 pesos for the manicure and maybe 12,500 for the pedicure. i gave them 20,000 peso note to share as a tip and they seemed happy.
then i went upstairs and got naked and got a full body massage from gloria. she is the only masaje terapeutico there. she was really excellent. the cost was 25,000 pesos for 1 hour plus 5,000 for a hot rock treatment. she takes 2 extremely hot stones and rubs them on your body. i had the same thing done at another spa before except there it was something like $15 extra instead of 5,000 pesos. it was really relaxing. at first i felt kind of weird since there was no real draping. the washcloth sized towel fell off and my boys were just hanging out there. its ok. luckily im not shy.
i told her id come here every day im here for a massage. i gave her a 20,000 peso bill and told her that was her tip for today and tomorrow. i made a 1 hour appointment for tomorrow too. i know some guys have something against tipping people for good services. i dont and i could do without the smart ass comments. ive always been this way and probably always will be. its not automatic but if the service is good its kind of nice to brighten someones day by giving them a nice tip. ive always thought to myself how i would feel if i were them.
after that i took a taxi to chipe chopi mall. it was kind of a hike. i think the taxi fare was something like 9000 pesos. it is a maze of stores on one level. you walk in an open-air mall. i didnt find the clothes for men to be that great. it cant compare to clothes in brazil and stores like yachtsman in rio sul mall. however, there are many stores for girls. the jeans here for girls are amazing. most girls walking around are wearing jeans. no one is wearing shorts and i didnt even though its warm out. i dont like completely standing out.
its not too crowded on a friday afternoon. i heard the weekends are packed and ill come back tomorrow to do some shopping. i took a taxi to unicentro mall. this mall was even further away. traffic was very heavy since its the end of the month and a friday so everyone is getting paid today. the taxi driver was really friendly and we talked the whole way. what you realize when you start to travel a lot is you realize not everyone is envious of americans. sure we have it good in the states but many of these people are content with their lives. people here in cali seem very happy. they might not be wealthy but i guess money isnt everything.
i arrived at unicentro and its a little bigger than chipe chopi mall. i was able to get 300,000 pesos from my atm card and i figure i have plenty to get me by for tonight and tomorrow at least. i got something to eat and had a good bbq ribs meal for something like 20,000 pesos with drink. there were two cuties and they kept looking over at me. i went to get some more napkins and then i asked them if they wanted some ice cream. (yeah, i know kind of cheesy but it worked). one was hotter than the other. it looked like they got done working and they confirmed it later. they were wearing blue scrubs as they worked in the hospital.
its quite easy to meet non-pro girls here but i have to be honest. im only here a few days and i dont really want to invest the time to nurture this type of relationship. im not looking for a girlfriend. i have no problems meeting normal girls in the usa or when i travel. after it was clear i was only attracted to one of them the hot one gave me her phone number. ill probably never call her but you never know.
im going to rest a bit then shower and get ready to go out. later.
it was pretty early but i wanted to walk around cali and hit a few spots and clubs and see the town. i took a taxi to la casa de las cervesas and it was packed even at 9 pm. it was a friday night though. i stayed and had a drink then i walked around. if you walk down the hill youll take a curve and at the bottom of the hill youll take a right and youll come across this area with tons of younger kids. many are the hippie type but everyone was friendly. there was also a strong smell of pot in the air here. i guess the cops dont care? i walked around that area some. i never felt unsafe at all but then again im kind of the adventurous type.
i decided to take a taxi to chipe chope mall to see how it is at night. it was packed and there were tons of people of all ages. families, younger crowd and 30s crowd. i looped around and just watched people. i got a lot of smiles and looks here. if you want to make an effort you can meet girls here. go back and read leos post from a while back. i agree with his assessment of the scene here. except i will say the p2p scene is better than he described. for the amateur scene guys in their late 20s to early 40s will probably have an easier time as most of these girls are younger. i didnt see any older guys with young girls walking around. its not like cuba or costa rica where you see tons of this happening. most of the pretty girls walking around with guys are with younger guys their age or a little older.
one thing i found a little reassuring i guess is many of the place carry around machine guys. the police here are serious and dont look like they take sh*t from anyone. they all are in good shape. not like some of the american cops that let themselves go and are out of shape. these guys are everywhere but especially in the shopping malls. maybe because there are so many atms here?
i took a taxi to kaliente calle 25 norte, no. 2 bis-47, b. san vicente. telephone: 653-6832. open 24 hours a day (except sundays)
there is no cover charge here. its just a house and there is no sign that i saw. there are 3 guys standing outside that confirmed i was where i needed to be. there is a price list for drinks on the wall on the left as you enter. its a nice enough place with couches in the lobby. you sit down and girls come in one by one for selection. kind of like the line up at 1707 santa fe apartment in buenos aires.
i didnt know what to expect but i was quite pleased. they only had about 7 girls at about 10 pm but there was easily 3 i could have seen. i thought a girl named nicole had the best attitude and her tits hanging out in her outfit didnt hurt things too much. she is a pretty girl that has a lot of personality. i told the guy my selection and he went to get her. she was so giddy and she was so happy i picked her. if she was acting she deserves an oscar and an emmy award. we chatted and i had the option of leaving with her or having a drink. i knew i could have just left but i wanted to have a drink with her on her turf to just unwind and get to know one another. she as with every other girl spoke no english whatsoever. so if you cant speak spanish save the money and go back without drinking. a red bull and a beer i think was 25,000 pesos.
you have the choice to see the girl on-site for 60,000 pesos for ― hour; one hour for 80,000 pesos or taking her out for 3 hours for 180,000. of course i took the 3 hour option and brought her to my place. we made out in the taxi the entire way. i would joke around and tell the taxi driver that i found my love and stuff like that. we were all cracking up.
we get back and this girl is super gfe. a great deep french kisser. i took a lot of pictures and she isnt that photogenic because i saw the pictures and she looks prettier in person. she did know about the internet and told me that many americans go to kaliente from reading on the internet. she had no problems about me taking pictures and even mentioned internet? i just giggled.
i had an awesome session. bbbj, dfk, sex in multiple positions for a long time. we ended up going two rounds and at times got a little carried away. you gotta be careful with these girls. easy to think too easily with just your little head.
we talked about her work. surprisingly the families of these girls know what they do. its not like some countries like brazil or argentina where the girls tell their families they work in a restaurant or bingo. their families know and dont object. probably more for the reason that these girls are basically supporting their family. it is great spending time with these girls but i try to understand all aspects of things.
the majority of girls that do this can never get ahead. the smart ones save up and buy property or save their money. girls in columbia seem to be in a rut of supporting their families. kaliente might be nice and nicole didnt say anything negative about it but i think its kind of like a jail. the girls dont know what they are getting into. they live there and they have to work 6 days a week. the place is open 24 hours a day. they work till like 10 in the morning then sleep till like 5 pm so they really dont have time for a whole lot. most of the girls working at kaliente were from other smaller cities my girl told me.
after close to 3 hours i was drained. my girl and i were spooning and falling asleep. i told her i was gonna fall asleep and she probably would get in trouble if she did too. she told me they would call her and she wanted to wait the last possible moment. she left about 1 am. i had to call 22 on my room phone as always. you see, you cant exit without the owner or the staff opening the outside gate. some might find this annoying but i like the safety of it. you cant even call a taxi for a girl because they owner has to let them out anyway so they call a taxi for you. taxis here are fast. usually they are here within 5 minutes so dont call until you are ready. she also gave me all her contact information.
i was surprised that rigo was up and drinking outside on the patio with the other dude we went to flores frescas with the other night. my girl left and i sat out and we chatted about girls, life, cali and everything else. i really like rigo. hes an honest guy that will do you right. if you need anything he is the guy to talk to. he like many in cali seem to have a high quality of life. a quality of life that isnt measured by how much money you have but the lifestyle. i know a ton of guys that could never begin to spend all the money they have but they slave away at their jobs always under pressure.
im sure i could make more money working harder but at this stage in my life its more important for me to experience new places and cultures. to walk the earth. i got this book about traveling around europe by a guy named rick steves. he basically travels around on the cheap staying at hostels. im going to try some of his principles but i know i never could travel like he does.
anyway, its still early. i got an early start on the day yesterday and was out and about all day. its only 8 am and im going to go walking around. its saturday so the nightlife should be good. i might go to the cristo rey statue on top of this hill and have a look at the city.
dear diary,
today is sunday. i had a very full day yesterday. i went out at 9 am and didnt come back till 10 pm and then i went out again and didnt come back until 2:30 am from flores frescas. i hired a taxi driver to take me to cristo rey and drive me around the city. it was $8 an hour which seemed like a bargain to me.
i went up to cristo rey but it was cloudy so it obstructed the view of the city. i could still see the city but it didnt make for good photos. my driver al was a good guy. he was bilingual and used to work in the usa. he had an interesting background. i asked him why he left the states and apparently he got into some drug problems and fled rather than face the charges. that was over 10 years ago so id assume the statute of limitations would kick in. he was an intelligent guy that got over a wicked drug problem. he seemed too intelligent to be driving around a taxi but he almost accepted it as a penance for all the bad things he did in the past. he married has a kid and appears to be happy. he doesnt cheat on his wife which is probably difficult in a town with so many hot women.
we talked on top of the hill about cali, usa and life in general. i had a massage appointment later in the day but i had him drive me around cali so i could get a better picture of it. cali is reported by the locals to have around 3.5 million people. its not a small city. its also not a very walk able city. taxis are so cheap so its easy. the air isnt that clean in the city. there is a lot of traffic most days and the fumes from all the buses, taxis and motorcycles cause a hazy mess.
i toured a community called cristales. it had some nice houses and apartments. there were tons of them for sale. i guess several years ago many drug dealers bought houses there. they put in gold plated this and that. spent millions on them. some of them even have pools inside of them. but now those guys are either in jail or moved on so these houses are for sale for a fraction of what these guys spent on them. who here can afford these kind of houses? not many.
we drove around the city for hours. i was hungry so al took me to another mall. i forget the name of it but it was smaller. we got some pastels which were pretty good. there is this chain of rapidos called el locuro i think. there were several hot girls here too but chipe chope is the place to go to be seen.
al took me to my appointment and i saw my dream girl again. the receptionist from the other day. she is my ideal columbian woman. hell, she is my dream woman period. great body, model quality face, big natural breasts, great smile. just perfect! i wanted to talk to her the other day after my massage but she was gone already. i reasoned that she had to be married.
i went up for my massage and asked if this girl was married. gloria told me no. she could tell that i was interested in her. i told her that i couldnt stop thinking about her. i asked if she would mind calling down and finding out what time she worked until because last time she was gone. i guess she goes to lunch or break from 1 pm to 3:30 pm. the hottie asked why gloria wanted to know and gloria said that i wanted to know and that i wanted to talk to her. hottie tells her that she is leaving at 1 but shell be back at 3:30 if i wanted to talk to her.
i had another awesome massage and i was surprised when hottie is still there. i paid my bill and gave gloria another good tip. then i talked to this girl. i could see everyone was looking at me but i didnt care. i pulled her aside and asked her if she was married. she said no. i told her that i wanted to talk to her yesterday but she was gone already. she was kind of shy. then i asked if she had a boyfriend and she didnt seem to like this question. but i didnt want a cap in my ass from some jealous boyfriend so i asked. she tells me that she does have a boyfriend. i asked if she was in love with him. she didnt answer then shook her head no. i asked if he was a good guy. she didnt answer then kind of said no. then i asked if he is a good guy sometimes. she said, as veces. i knew she was interested but my driver was waiting and she had customers waiting in line to check out.
i figured id call her later. then i thought to myself there is no way she was hooked up with some drug dealer type. shes been working here for 2 years and making peanuts probably. she wouldnt be here if she had that kind of boyfriend.
i went to a country club that rigo was at. we played racquetball and i sweated my ass off. i really liked rigo. hes a smart guy that is what you see what you get. then the other guy that joined us at flores frescas (ff) joined us. lets call him jay. jay was a great racquetball player. he was also a really good guy. he was originally from cuba and he found my observations about cuba to be spot on.
we all went to the sauna and it was great. it had eucalyptus in the steam so it was really soothing. we all had a drink that was full of fruit. i forget the name but it translates into splash. i ate because im always hungry. i think both these guys were a little amazed by my journeys. i told them i couldnt get hottie off my mind. rigo suggested to call her and i thought the same thing. i was gonna do it later.
rigo had to go home but i wanted to hit a casa. i asked jay to go with me. he seemed up for it. this guy was funny. he is here with his house for vacation! he had to be really careful. we tried going to la mansion and there were only 3 girls there so we didnt even go in. always ask how many girls are before you pay a cover. dont confuse mansion with mansion rosa which is flores frescas.
then i wanted to go to kaliente as there were plenty of hot girls yesterday. we get there and its funny. half the girls were sleeping and they woke them up for the lineup. these girls sleep till like 5 pm and it was only like 4 pm i think. jay said he didnt see anything he likes. he prefers fuller women and many of the girls here are petite. i saw a girl that i wanted to pick the other day. she was hot. i picked my girl and he said hed wait. i told jay to at least see a girl for an hour. he told me he was just going to booze which was cool with me.
my girl came out then jay picked a girl to come out and talk to. we drank with our girls and joked around. mine was hilarious. 21 years old from the same city as the other girl. i think its pronounced armenia (?). hot girls from this city.
i decide to session for one hour. its 100,000 pesos. there are 4 bedrooms upstairs. i could take my pick and the rooms are very clean and big. i let her pick one. wrong move as it turns out. we start to session and there is no air conditioning in this room. we are going at it hard and heavy and im sweating my ass off. she is great but not gfe at first. tells me that she doesnt kiss clients. call me cynical but i kind of like when they do this. i kind of make it a mission to get gfe and watch them evolve into getting into the session and then getting all gfe. she was no different. we had a monster session but after 40 minutes i was done. i took a cold shower and kind of hurried as i thought jay was waiting for me downstairs.
imagine my surprise when jay hears us talking and knocks on the adjoining door. he is surprised we are leaving. i tell him that i thought he was waiting downstairs. he laughs. i guess he decided to session after all. he is in his underwear and his girl is in a towel naked. im clothed and so is my girl. jay suggests that we shed some clothes so they dont feel so out of place. this usually is not my cup of tea but i figured why not? anything to make the girls feel more comfortable right??
i suggest that we take some pictures. jays girl is totally against this. mine is indifferent since she already let me take pictures. then we gave them 40,000 pesos for some pictures. they didnt want to take any naked pics only wanting to be in their towels at first. but then i gave my classic lines of, que cuerpos mas bonitas! dios mio dos modelos! sh*t like that. they were loving the pictures and then we took more and more and more. i think they turned out great. jay thinks i should quit my job and travel the world photographing beautiful women. oops. arent i already doing that? i guess im not being paid though. oh well. i cant complain.
i liked jay. we had a lot in common as he also has a big heart. he also isnt cheap. he doesnt like to waste money either but he doesnt mind spending it. we all were having a lot of laughs and a good time. the phone rang and we went downstairs.
i thought we were going to leave but we end up ordering some drinks and hanging out with our girls downstairs for at least maybe 1.5 hours. we were having a great time. we were both playing kissy face with our girls. i invited mine to go in the mountains with me then out to dinner. i guess i forgot i already had 2 dates already with other girls. my girl made me promise to call her.
then we all talked about the business. all of you guys that think these girls are making a fortune can forget it. its quite sad. some of these girls dont work for 3 or 4 days in a row. this place is like a prison almost. dont get me wrong. the management treats them good they all said. but they cant leave. the only day they get off is sunday. most arent making that much. on the best of months they make $500. they can go up to 4 or 5 days with not one customer since there are so many girls. you should have seen jays girl. at one point she was almost in tears saying, thank you god. when i asked him later why she was like that. he told me she is going to a baby shower tomorrow and they didnt have enough to buy drinks and stuff. her mom was expecting in a month. jay gave her some money and before we left i slipped her 20,000 pesos and told her i hope it helps. i think these girls were amazed by their expressions.
i tipped my girl well and i think jay did too. we both were surprised that his girl didnt session in the past 3 days. you could tell she wasnt bsing either. cali just isnt a high volume place like other cities.
at this point its already like 8 pm. we kept saying we were going to leave and kept making out with our girls and hugging and talking. i suggested we go to chipe chope to grab a coffee and i needed to get some more money from an atm as i ran out already. we arrived there at 9 pm or so and there were tons of hot girls. oh my god! ive never seen so many hot girls in one place. this is the place to be seen. these girls walk around like they are on a runway. its amazing. they know they are hot and they like being watched. we had strong espressos that were great.
jay was a good guy. he was amazed that i had such a strong interest in the latin culture and commented my spanish was quite good. honestly, its not that good but conversational. i really believe you need to learn at least 15,000 20,000 words at a minimum to be conversational. im taking a spanish class at night but its worthless as its too slow and im way ahead of the class so i stopped going before the trip. plus, i was always out of the country so i was missing classes anyway. every week id make the excuse, sorry but i was in paris or germany or costa rica. one lady asked me if i work for the cia. ha,ha.
we people watched for a while. we decided to talk only in spanish so i could improve. we talked business and about life. we thought a lot alike. their was an age difference but most of the guys i meet are significantly older than i am. it doesnt matter to me. i dont have too much in common with most guys my age anyway.
i told him that his wife must be worried. at this point its 10:30 pm. we were going to eat there but we decided to go back and eat near our hotel. we get there and his wife is waiting at the gate. oops. i ate with him and his wife and we talked about cuba. i was drained of energy and didnt know if i would go out. ive only been sleeping 3 or 4 hours a night. plus, we played racquetball all day.
i went back and we sat out and talked with rigo. i decided to take a shower and see how i feel. of course i was horny so i decided to go to flores frescas. those guys couldnt go so i went alone. it didnt bother me though. i like being independent. i got there around 12:30 am. it closes at 3 am on the weekends. there were a bunch of dudes and about 12 girls. most werent my type but there were maybe 3 hotties. this girl latched on to me and although her body appeared to be good i couldnt really tell about her face since its so damn dark in there. i bought her and her friend a red bull which was 10,000 pesos each.
i was surprised that there was still a show at 1 am. the parade of girls and a lesbian show too. i noticed a lot of locals come here for the show. there was some younger columbianos there and i couldnt believe it during the lesbo show when i saw them jerking off with their jeans on. they kind of just reached below their jeans and were jerking off. i found this hilarious and was laughing. i motioned for my girl to look and she said those guys could barely afford the 15,000 pesos entrance fee so that was the closest theyd get. oh well. poor bastards.
at this point im dying. im super tired and the red bulls arent helping. i figured i could probably negotiate as it was 2 am but i just told her, vamos (lets go). she looked a little stunned. she said 150,000? i said sure. i paid the 70,000 exit fee and off we went. this girl didnt have the prettiest face but she had a great body and she was great in bed. she was so energetic. i have a lot of energy in bed and she kept up and wanted more and more and more. finally she left at 3:30 am. i feel bad every night having to wake rigo up but he insists on unlocking the front gate so i have to wake him up constantly. oh well. if it doesnt bother me its fine.
i emailed starfe last night asking if hed change my ticket for me. he called early this morning. im not even sure what time but i couldnt go back to sleep and here i am typing this latest update. he did manage to change it according to an email he sent me. im staying another week so i guess i have to deal with work later.
im not sure who im going to call today. i told 3 girls id do something with them. hmm. more later.
Saint
Great report so far. Brings back many familiar memories. Next time your in Flores, ask about christina for me. Small, cute girl with a great smile. Had a falling out but thats another story. I can picture you at Chippe now surrounded by the beautiful Calenas and the cerveza giraffe at the beer stand. Don't you love the way the Calenas have no inhibitions about staring you down. And those hiphuggung jeans, hmmm. I think I may have to convince Dashing Don that instead of chasing Colombianas in Curacao in a couple weeks, we ought to head right to the source. Thanks for rekindling the memories. Don't hold back on the estetica reports either, I think more guys should take advantage of those treatments. And as you already know, it is a great way to meet the locals. Especially the girls that really know how to take care of themselves. I look forward to reading more.
Slick
Starfe
Don't pull that trigger yet ! I'm in the 40- 45 age group and I can relate to all of Saints stories from having lived them myself. Actually I always felt the girls down there were more attracted to us more mature , sophisticated gentlemen.
Saint, nice reports.
I spend a lot of time in Colombia, mostly Medellin but lived in Cali for a year too. Also spend a lot of time in Venezuela.
Trust me, the chicas do not care about an age number. As a matter of fact, I'm 40 years old, my Paisa (Medellin chica) girlfriend is 23. She has girlfriends, hot chicas that ask me to please bring them 'gringos' and please no young kids ... over 40 is good.
I think as Saint as well as many have said here ... if you treat these chicas with warmth and respect you'll be paid paid back many times over.
Saint, if you like Cali, you'll love Medellin.
Suerte!
I think what he's really saying is you need to not look like you're old - what ever your age. You need to look good - whether that is mature or young. And furthermore, you need to have some rap (e.g. speak spanish) and you need to have some game/skills.
But hey, even if not, you can always enjoy the spectator side... and there's plenty of pay4play to keep you busy too.
Hopefully I didnt get the wrong point across. Guys older than 40 will do ok. Its just that that for the non-pro scene of the hottest girls I dont see any out in public with guys that appear to be too old. Keep in mind Im still a Cali rookie and just posting my honest observations as always.
I just got back from exploring the Andes Mountains. Definitely take a trip up there during the day. There are some really nice views up there. You can take a taxi up there. I heard some have to have a special permit to go up there but Im not entirely sure I believe it. Just hire a taxi by the hour instead of running the meter. It will be cheaper. Ask to go to Kilometer 18. Its about 35-45 minutes up the mountains from the city depending on traffic.
Its interesting as you first approach slums then it slowly turns into mansions and big estates of what must be drug dealers.
Some might try to tell you that its dangerous but I doubt there is any real danger during the day. There are two main restaurants up there. Bring a light jacket or sweater because there is a vast temperature difference up there. Also, its high so when the clouds roll in you are in the fog of the clouds. Its kind of cool.
I read the last kidnappings up here were about 3 years ago. The FARC just rounded up about 40 people (most were locals). They were all released after their families paid for their release. Dont let that scare you. I heard there is a new police chief in the area and security is much better.
As far as the taxis.. Leo, I never use that card you sent me. The taxis I find are honest. Even if they add a little extra that is probably like 25 cents and to me that is nothing to argue over.
Im so dead tired. Im going to rest then I have a date with the first girl I saw from Flores Frescas.
Life is good.
I just got back from an interesting evening. The girl I met for dinner brought her kid with her! Anyway, Im not exactly the father figure for kids that arent mine. I think Ill be an excellent dad someday but I wasnt expecting to have dinner with her 3 year old too. After dinner I made an excuse that I had to go meet Jay. I tried not to be obvious about it but she probably knew.
I honestly think some of these girls just want some relief from a difficult life. Sometimes I wish I won a mega lottery so I could help more people. Oh and travel more too. Hee, hee.
After I left Chipe Chopi mall I went to Kaliente because I thought the guy told me they are open on Sundays. The doorman knows me by now. I asked him how many girls were working. He told me only 2 and he said they were new. He said all the regular girls had the night off. I figured these were probably two bad girls that didnt even want to go out on their only night off. I told him he knows my taste in girls and would I like these two girls. He shook his head no and told me he didnt want to lie.
The funny thing is that my taxi driver was new and he couldnt find this place. He asked some guy that was several blocks away and the kid gets on his bicycle and takes us to Kaliente. It was funny driving slow behind a kid on a bike finding this place. I thought a brief moment for all I knew he could be taking me to some place to get robbed but my taxi driver said he could be trusted. Oh well. Call me stupid. I usually dont get nervous in foreign countries. I know Im long overdue to get mugged or something.
After talking to the doorman at Kaliente this kid was still waiting as well as my taxi. I ask the kid if he knows anywhere else close. He said there were lots of casas but usually Americans dont go to them. I could care less if Americans went or not. It was only a block over from Kaliente. I dont even know the name of the place or even know if there is a name. I thought it couldnt hurt to check it out.
I thought about hitting some normal clubs but Im not in the mood to start some other deal till after I meet my hottie girl that Ive been talking to. She comes back on Tuesday night.
I told the taxi driver to wait while I checked the line up. There were 8 girls. 7 of them were nasty and 1 was cute. I asked the cost of incall and outcall. Incall was 50,000 pesos an hour and outcall was 70,000 pesos an hour so needless to say cheap.
I went and paid the taxi driver and gave the kid on the bike 10,000 pesos. (5,000 pesos at Kaliente and 5,000 pesos at this other place). He was really happy. Anyway, I start sessioning with this girl and I noticed she had a tattoo which is a big turn off for me. She had a really pretty face though and was affectionate so that was cool. It was a good session. There was no hot water there just like none at Kaliente so I decided to take a shower when I came home. Its semi-early at 11:30 PM but its Sunday so I think Ill rest up. Im not sure what Ill do tomorrow. Ive had very little downtime since arriving.
There isnt too much to do in Cali during the day. Ive been taking the time to sightsee. I really enjoyed driving in the mountains today to Kilometer 18 area. Some of the views were really striking with the Andes Mountains and the mist of fog with all the houses and the city below. Ive been fortunate this year to see so many wonderful sights the past two years.
Sorry to all those emailing me in my inbox asking questions. I dont have time to answer them now but Ill try once I get next week. One dude asked me if Cali was worth hitting besides the girls. That is a difficult question to answer. It depends on what kind of person you are. Personally I hear that Medellin and Bogota and Cartegena are more beautiful cities but I doubt the people can be as friendly as these Calenos.
The city as I mentioned several times isnt beautiful. The people are the biggest asset here. I had a taxi driver from Bogota today. He told me that he adores Cali. He prefers it over Bogota because the people are very nice here. He said that in Bogota its such a bigger city so people are distrustful of one another. Here everyone pretty much gets along.
Im thinking about getting on a plane tomorrow and hitting Medellin but Im afraid Ill like it so much that I dont come back to Cali in time to hook up with my girl. A big part of the reason I extended was to spend some time with her. Well see what happens.
I will caution that you might not want to rush down here. Just because the majority of the girls are better looking than Argentina or Brazil doesn't mean you'll be sleeping with them. My comment about the good looking girls is true but there are good looking girls in other cities around the world to hobby with. The best thing about Cali is the people as I mentioned many times throughout my report. Also, the city isn't beautiful.
If you notice I've been doing more non-hobby stuff than hobby stuff. Even with all the hotties I'm only sessioning once maybe twice a day. I've been keeping busy just exploring the city and walking around the malls and stuff. I truly enjoy interacting with the locals. I wish I was fluent though. :(
Many are emailing me asking about hotels. I usually try to stay in very nice accomodations/hotels. I heard the Intercontinental is a good choice but I heard lately they were having some issues with bringing in girls. I don't think it's too expensive at around $75 a night. However, I heard and read so many great things about Rigo and I wanted a traditional experience in Cali that I booked a room at his hotel. I don't regret it. The only negative I have is the pillows are bad and I'm not sleeping well. The website address is [url] http://www.calihotel.com[/url]. His email address is calihotel@hotmail.com Tell him Saint sent you.
As mentioned by me and others. The non-pro scene isn't going to be for everyone. Again, I walked around the mall yesterday and last night. I still don't see any of the super hotties with older dudes. They might have them on the side but I sure don't see them around. Also, there aren't too many Americans here.
The heat hasn't been too bad. I imagine it can get very hot and humid though. I only wore shorts one day because NO locals wear shorts at all. Jay from Cuba has been wearing shorts everyday though. It was refreshing going into the cold mountain air yesterday.
Cali like many other cities in South and Central America has danger but it is nothing like the State Department portrays it. There are still lots of drug lords. The only difference is now they are quiet and not splashy. Before they liked attention. (kind of like John Gotti). Now they are quiet and just want to make their money undisturbed.
I woke up early today again. I'm going to go get a massage and maybe a steam then go to a casa or the mall. I'm tempted to go to Medellin. We'll see.
P.S. Starfe. You probably are the one guy that knows me better than anyone in the world now. I honestly like helping people. If they ever make a position of Ambassador of Love for the UN can I use you as a reference? Have fun in Asia amigo!
Saint--
Wonderful series of reports. The best on the entire site.
Enjoy the rest of the trip.
LA Larry
Thank you, Saint, for your generous reporting. I am glad that you enjoyed Colombia so much and that no really bad experiences happened to you.
Cheers,
Ferolga
Saint,
Great reports. I don't know if I missed it but when you have a chance can you post the name or the address where you get the manicures and massages.
Thanks
Ok. I've had a pretty busy day so far. I just stopped home to shower. I woke up then walked around Avenida Sexta where there are lots of restaurants, shops and cafes. It's not particularly a beautiful street like most of the city but it's interesting.
Then went to Chipi Chope to hit an internet cafe. I have internet access all the time. That's how I can post so frequently. I think Rigo was smart because he put a laptop in my room that is always on. It's dial up so not too fast but easy to log on and give updates.
Here are some hints before I forget. GSM service is new and just started last year. You can't buy a SIM card at the stores but it's probably possible from someone. I'm not here long enough to need to buy one. Rigo has old bigger style cellphones you can use for free. You just have to buy refillable credits (like Brazil) at the store. FYI. The company is BellSouth. My AT&T GSM phone does work here and I used it a few times to call my office. I'm not sure the rates but I bet expensive. You can buy relatively inexpensive calling cards at the store to use in the payphones or use an internet cafe cabina.
The internet cafe at Chipe Chopi is called Matrix. It is all the way in the back then go left. You can't miss it. Just ask if you can't find it.
The taxis are all friendly. Try to at least round up or tip them like a 1,000 peso note. I'm always generous and I think it bodes well for future Americans that visit. Don't be an ugly American and treat these girls as well as the people in general with respect and dignity. Not many Americans are here so if you're a loud, obnoxious, drunk ass then they will remember it and maybe not be so kind to the next American that visits. You want to leave them with the impression. "How thoughtful and polite American tourists are".
Food is cheap. I find the restaurants aren't as nice or plentiful as in places like Buenos Aires but the quality of food is quite good. You won't have a problem finding what you want.
After Chipe Chopi I had my daily massage appointment. First I decided to get a facial. It was nice. Not cheap for Cali standards at 60,000 pesos but in the USA it is quite pricey for a good one. There are tons of esteticas or salons so you won't have a problem finding one. I'm sure they are all pretty decent. Again, I spotted several guys getting manicures/pedicures. They also have several stylists to cut your hair if you need it. I'm sure you can get an old-fashioned style shave in most too.
It was nice that my masseuse told me that my hottie was talking about me. I hope extending will be worth it.
Also, remember not to slam taxi doors. Keep in mind them paying off their taxis is equivalent to us paying off our mortgages on our homes. The taxis aren't cheap here and most are paying them off on loan installments. The interest rates can be as high as 30% so remember to treat their cars with respect. You wouldn't want someone shitting on the side of your house would you?
I just showered and I'm going to hit a casa for some afternoon action. Later fellas.
Saint
Another good afternoon under my belt. In the name of research for you deviants I decided to check out some casas while Im here this week. First I went to Uni-centro Mall to possibly do some shopping. I just dont find the clothes to be that good here for men. Shoes appear to be a good buy though. I might buy some this week.
A dude from WSG gave me the name of his amiga that works at one of the stores. I went to go say hi to her. She is a totally cute and sweet girl. It was cute how she had this paper of English phrases. I guess she is studying English which I really admire. I was going to leave but she wanted to talk some more. I ordered a Lemonade then we talked for about an hour. I asked her if she had any pretty friends for me. She said yes but that they werent available now?? Oh well. She ended up giving me her phone number so Ill try to hook up with her friends. I asked her what her status is with this dude. Amigo, novio, etc. She told me to ask him.
I walked around some and I got 2 phone numbers of these cute girls. Its relatively easy to get phone numbers here if you can communicate with them. Usually I start out pretending like Im looking for a store or something. Then I ask them if they are a Calena. Then some other stuff. I tell them how beautiful they are (which they love hearing). Then just ask them for a phone number. So far, I havent been turned down yet.
Then I decided to hit some casas. First I went to Faraon but it was closed. The guy told me they dont open till 7 PM. A few casas down on the same block is Doctor of Love (Doctor de Amor). Some dude on WSG posted it was called La Clinica but he was wrong. The address is Calle 2 Norte #23 N37. It is right down from Faraon. You cant miss Faraon because there is a big sign. Also, my taxi driver that was young told me that Faraon had hot girls so Ill try to check it out for you horndogs this week.
Anyway, I get to Doctor de Amor. I have my backpack of course with my camera and stuff. The guy says I cant take it in. I had my Ipod and my camera and a bunch of other expensive stuff. I was nervous but I kept it with him. Then I get in this room. When you walk in there is a huge room with couches and chairs. There were tons of dudes sitting around. Of course I was the only tourist. No matter, as I mentioned people here dont treat tourists any differently. I was surprised how many dudes there were waiting. Maybe 12 of them. Anyway, they do the line up and the girls arent so good. The guy told me there was 25 girls but only about 10 came through the line up. All the other girls were busy in rooms.
Thats the reason why so many guys were waiting. I guess mostly locals come here and some guys have their favorite girls. So what do they do? They wait for them! 9 out of the 10 girls were horrible. If you like thickgirls then you might like this place. I did see one cute girl. I inquired about prices with the manager and he said its 25,000 pesos (that is less than $10) or one hour on-site for 34,000 pesos ($13) Yes, you read that right.
Its not private. Its kind of weird making your selection and talking with your girl in front of like 15 guys. Oh well. I wanted to see how the quality of session was so I picked this girl. However, I told the manager I would leave if I couldnt have my backpack with me. They immediately gave it back to me. I talked to her and she seemed sweet. She wasnt gorgeous but not ugly either. You go to a cashier at a window labeled Caja (cashier). You pay her then she gives you a towel.
To tell you how busy it was almost every room that she knocked on was already busy. There are 15 bedrooms in this place. She told me they are pretty big. There is also another house 2 doors down that they only utilize for the bedrooms. All of them were busy too! She gave me the option of waiting or sessioning in a small room equivalent to a Luomo cabina in Rio. I asked to see it and it was fine. There was a mirror on the wall which I like to view during session.
This girl was very sweet and funny. When she went for the BJ she was going to do it with a condom. Here is some advice for those of you that dont travel to Latin America that much. You can ask the girl, Mi amor, por favor... puede chupar sin condom?( Mi love, please.. can you suck without a condom. My average is like 90% for getting BBBJ when asking. This girl asked if I could give her a tip. I asked her how much and she just said whatever I could afford. Almost all the girls here would have given a CBJ but I asked nicely and almost all of them do it. Not a problem. Same thing in Rio and BA or wherever I go.
Ok, be careful here. You know how it all is. Its easy to get carried away. A few times here Ill be on top in the groove grinding on them without a condom. Sometimes it might slip in. You have to understand if they let you go bare back that means theyve let others so be careful. This girl and I were grinding and she asked if I wanted to use a condom. Of course I said yes. The sex was awesome. Again, she isnt my dream type girl. I like a girl with a model quality face but she was cute and her body was decent. She was getting so wet! She actually had to get a towel and wipe up. It didnt bother me.
We went hard and heavy for 40 minutes and I climaxed. We showered and get this. I swear to God she asked me if I wouldnt mind going another round. I said I was tired and she was disappointed. I started putting on my clothes and she asked again. Please. Sh*t. How could I say no? We went another round. Sweet girl from one of the smaller cities. We showered again in COLD water then I got dressed.
I asked her to call a taxi and I had to do the walk of shame in front of all those Latin dudes. I had to wait about 10 minutes for the taxi when I finally got tired of waiting and went outside. This isnt in the best area so use judgement walking around at night. I just got home and its dark out now as its almost 8 PM here. I asked one of the guys outside to go flag me down a taxi. He looked reluctant until I gave him a $1 US. He looked at it like it was a gold brick. I dont think these guys make jack. I also gave my girl a 20,000 peso tip and she was very appreciative. I doubt these locals tip much. My girl told me it was so crowded because it is payday for the majority here.
Im going to go eat at this neighborhood restaurant a few doors down. I went there the other night. A steak, salad, french fries was 11,000 pesos ($4). Im gonna shower again after that then probably head to Flores Fresca or another new spot in the name of research. Later.
P.S. I did get pictures of the girl from Doctor of Love. She covered her face but you can see her body. I'll post later. I have lots of pictures.
P.S.S. I posted the following post on another Discussion board but I'll copy and paste here for reference. Guys keep emailing me asking if it's safe.
Guys. Get the dangerous Columbia notion out of your head. I'm serious. I totally stick out like a sore thumb and you know what? I like it. The Columbianas give me extra attention. Almost all of them have told me that I'm so handsome. Do you think I'd get this kind of treatment if I was a Latino? Hell no.
I'm not saying Columbia isn't a dangerous place. I'm just saying that for the average tourist that is only down here for a week or so your risks are so minimal unless you're being stupid.
Cali isn't like Bogota from what the locals tell me. Bogota is so big that people are mistrustful. If you can't tell from my reports, I really make it an effort to get to know the locals. Their customs. I go into most of the various neighborhoods so I can get a sense of what life here is like.
I'm not saying it's guaranteed that nothing will happen to you here. There are no guarantees in life. I swear, some guys I meet have a sign on their forehead that say, "Rob me". I'm not one of those guys. I walk around with a confident look on my face and that is a lot in itself in Latin America. Thieves and other losers can smell fear and ignorance. Again, I'm not saying that I won't get mugged. All I'm doing is giving you a layman's observations of this city. I don't claim to be an expert on anything. I'm just a simple guy that likes to travel.
Get the drug lord notion out of your head. Repeat after me.... Cali is safe if you're not stupid and use common sense. I've been walking around at night alone. People have been nothing but friendly always offering help or directions. I've never met a group of friendlier people.
I refuse to use a paid guide. Hell, I still can't believe guys pay someone to hold their hand to take them around to the termas in Rio. Guys expect Rio to be some scene out of City of God. That just isn't the case. Sure there are dangerous areas but there are in my city back home too. However, if you speak little to no Spanish it would be a good investment to have a bilingual guide. Safety in numbers principle might be good here. I don't know. I've had no problems.
Call me the adventurous type but I'm just not scared if there is no reason to be.
I just spent the last few hours with the hottie from Flores Fresca. Ive never met a girl so sweet. She honestly is very sincere. I gave her more money then I paid last time and she left the money behind on the desk. I was going to post more pictures here of here but I would feel too guilty now after getting to know her. Maybe if I didnt get to know her so personally I wouldnt care but still. I have another date with her tomorrow at Chipi Chope.
She claims to have never DFK a client before. Something tells me thats true. Who knows if its the truth or not but I did talk to about 5 guys here that said that she never kissed them on the mouth and they called her frio. Quite the opposite with me. Anyway, she told me her friend is married to an American. Her friend is 24 and her American husband is 49 so I guess you can forget what I told you about getting a younger hottie.
I asked if the girl was really in love or just doing it for the green card. She has no reason to lie since her friend doesnt work in the clubs and I never met her before. Her friend met this dude on the internet so I guess there is hope for internet dating with these Latinas. She also told me about some American dude that is only 25 years old that travels down here for work. She said hes a good dude and has left with her twice and not even had sex but given her money. Dude if you are reading this know that she thinks youre such a nice guy and you sound like it to me too.
Ive been with enough of these girls to know the BSérs from the real sweethearts. She is definitely one of the good ones...
I went to Flores Fresca early at around 9:30 PM. It was dead with only around 12 girls and about 7 guys. Most of the guys were only there to look although there were about 2 other Americans. I sat next to an American guy that was with a guide named Ramone. I think I read about him before on WSG. Hes a totally cool guy that is fluent in English. Hes funny as shit too. There is this hottie girl there with an innocent face and he was heart broken that she was one of the ones in the lesbian show. Her face looked really innocent up until the moment she put the strap on dildo on and started banging the other girl on stage. Oh well. I kept joking his girl is cheating on him. He was cool to tell me the names of two other clubs in South Cali that he said are equally as good but cheaper. Ill check them out tomorrow after my date. One was called Tangas Club. The other is Dinas Club (?-cant read his writing). Address reads Calle 5 con 66 Amazonas. He said it's 20 minutes outside of the city. The other address is JD con Paso Ancho.
Anyway, my non-pro hottie gets back tomorrow from Bogota. I found out today what she is doing in Bogota. She is in the final stages of receiving her papers for a visa to visit USA! She mentioned it to me but I didnt know she was going to Bogota for that. I guess if it goes through I can fly her in. Well see how that goes.
Im going to go shower for the 4th time today then write some stuff in my personal journal that I hand write in. They have these cool waterproof journals that you can buy. I keep a journal in addition to these typed reports. Its kind of interesting to go back and read them sometimes. Goodnight fellas.
Senor Saint ... again nice reports.
I think because you've traveled quite a bit and you speak Spanish, your experience in Cali is 'easygoing'.
Imagine some of those gringos from the Costa Rica, 'Gringo Gulch' crowd hanging around Cali ... they wouldn't quite get the same reception as you're getting.
To you it's easy ... to others, trust me ... wouldn't quite be the same.
Yes, anyone can run to the casas and get laid, but, the extra experiences you're having is because of your experience and spanish skills.
Trust me ... I've seen guys miserable because they wanted more than just 'puta' pussy but couldn't communicate.
Suerte!
Ricker,
NO doubt you are 100% correct. I thought I emphasized it enough in my report that speaking conversational Spanish is very key here to enjoy the extra benefits. I CAN'T imagine the gringo gulch type here. I hated CR for the fact that many of the guys looked like degenerates. Many were loud, drunk and obnoxious. Many bragged to have been going down to CR for years yet couldn't even learn some basic Spanish. If you speak little to no Spanish you won't have a good time here. To get the full experience of any country you have to be able to communicate. It's especially true here as there are less people that speak English than any place in Latin America I've visited.
If some of the CR guys were here acting like they act in the Blue Marlin then they probably would get mugged, beaten or worse here. This is NOT the place to be loud and obnoxious. These people are pleasant but up to a point I think. I haven't even seen that many Americans. I did talk to a guy last night that was a cool dude. He was mild and reserved like me. There was another American in the club and he was the same way. Any dudes that come here after a while know how to behave. Hell, any dude should have the common sense to know not to act that way in a foreign country.
Another thing I noticed is even though there are foreign tourists here they aren't a novelty. People don't stare at you like other country. People here seem to treat everyone as equals unless they are given a reason not to.
Cali isn't going to be for everyone. For me it's been a dream vacation. I don't have enough hours in the day to get all I want done. My experience last night was unreal with that hottie. I'm meeting her today for dinner.
The thing that sucks with the pros is most of them have to work everyday except Sundays. On Sundays since they are gone all week they have to spend it with their families. Many of these girls have kids and it's the only day to spend with their families.
Ricker is 100% correct that your experiences probably won't mirror mine. I've been having just as much fun with the non-pro stuff then the pro stuff. Please have realistic expectations when arriving here.
On the downside, I ate something bad last night and I've had bad diarrea all night. At least I haven't been throwing up but still. I think I've lost every bit of liquid in my body. I gotta go shower and drink lots of Gatorade. I'm still not sleeping well but hasn't slowed me down yet.
If I haven't emphasized it enough...take care of yourself. I think no matter your age if you take care of yourself then that is what counts. Some girls like older guys and some don't. My hottie last night said lots of her friends like older guys because of their ability of stability. She again called the guys here Perros. Many girls like older guys because it represents safety and stability.
One thing I have never scrimped on is clothes and shoes. Remember you never get a 2nd chance to make a first impression in life. NO different with these girls. Dress nice. Also, take care of your face and body. I have been using lotion on my body since I was in high school. It makes a big difference. Yeah, it's kind of wussy huh? But the girls always comment on it.
Also, use high end products like Zirh. They have several face stuff. They have this stuff in a series called Correct, Protect, Restore, Clean. They are by far the best product on the market. I noticed a difference after the first few months using it. It will take years off your face. It can be found in any type of nicer store like Foley's, Macy's, etc. I probably spend about $120 a month on all their stuff and it works great.
Another funny story. In one of the taxis yesterday I was shooting the shit with my taxi driver. A young dude. I was telling him how hot all these girls are. He agreed. Then I told him that all the Calenas called them dogs (perros). He had this surprised look on his face and was like, "QUE!!"(WHAT??). I told him that if I lived here I would be labled a dog too. He was still pissed but then eventually laughing. He was saying how the guys wouldn't be dogs if all the hotties weren't offering it up to them. He said many hotties know that these guys are married or have girlfriends and they don't care. He called the girls dogs too. It was comical.
Saint - Nice reports as usual. I do think $120 a month is a bit much to spend on lotion though. Brings on Michael Jackson thoughts. Don't want to start calling you "rubba". ;)
I'm glad you went to some of the normal places. It seems you usually go only to high end places that for an extended period would be out of my price range.
I'm hoping to spend a week or two in Colombia later this year. It usually seems to be a comparison of Cali and Medellin. Like Nicaragua, I think that Colombia has many tourists frightened. I think if you are careful and not stupid you'll go far.
I'd be a bit nervous about carrying around so much high dollar equipment though. On my trip to Malaysia and Thailand last month, I only had my $900 Nikon with me, and it was a pain to carry my camera bag around. I much prefer a small digital camera that just slips in my pocket.
I'm looking forward to your photos - I'm not sure if you've posted them in the Photo section or not. I'll check them out.
Jaimito,
The $120 is not just on "lotion". Itīs on hair gel, shaving cream, shampoo, conditioner, cleaners, lotions, etc. There is a huge product line from Zirh. Yeah, itīs a lot but isnīt investing in yourself worth it? Ha, ha.
I usually do only hit higher end places but I have my reporter cap on. I want to get a sense of what is out there. Iīm hitting most parts of the city.
Iīm at ChipiChope now waiting for my Peptol Bismul to kick in. Iīve been pissing out of my ass for the past 6 hours or so. This is the first time Iīve been sick in all my travels. Iīm starting to hit the wall a little because of the lack of sleep.
As far as the expensive stuff. Itīs all in my backpack so no one knows what I have. Even my Ipod is in my backpack. The Swiss Army backpacks have a hole for earphone wires. Many of the younger crowd here have bags or backpacks so no one knows whatīs in mine. As I posted before. Iīm long overdue to get mugged so maybe this trip. Iīm here until Friday night unless I extend again.
I might rest up today. Iīm meeting one of my girls at 5:30 PM here at ChipiChope to have dinner before she goes to work. Then I have to try to hook up with my normal girl tonight but she doesnīt arrive back from Bogota until late at night so maybe Iīll try one of those other clubs in South Cali. Later.
Saint
First off, thanks Saint for the reports. Now, just so I can put it out there. I JUST got back Avianca and priced my ticket to Cali. I am leaving March 16 and will return March 21. The roundtrip ticket is going to run me $296. Considering I am buying in 2 weeks in advance, that isnt to bad. Another thing, I am currently in Panama City, Panama so obvioulsy the ticket is going to be a bit cheaper. Well fellas, if anyone is going to be Cali those days let me know. March 16-March 21. And thanks to all the good insight on this board I think I will be staying at the Cali hotel. Anyhow just updating you dudes.
PS-Saint I checked out your pics in the photo Gallery, I love the brown skin one that has her back to the camera.
I just met AntiFreeze from this board and his wife too. A really cool guy that is super funny. He and his wife seem very content with their life here. He moved here about 6 years ago. He read all my posts and he PMéd me. He was astonished that he agreed with just about everything I wrote about Cali. If you're reading this Antifreeze, I hope we have the chance to hook up again. If not, buenas suerte. I'm sure I'll be in Cali again so I'm sure we'll hook up again.
I read on the general discussion section on another board how guys are talking about the dangers. Maybe I mis-spoke when I said it's "perfectly safe". Columbia can't be categorized that way I guess, but I will say that in all my journeys I find Cali no more dangerous than Rio or a handful of other cities.
I'd actually like to hear from guys that have actually been to or lived in Cali or Columbia instead of all the guys that only read State Department warnings. I just talked to my girl. Going out tonight. I hope my stomache gets better soon.
" Hope stomache gets better soon. "
From an older guy to a younger guy, see a DR if you have cramps with those runs asap. Take Tums along with your medicine and for god's sake " get some rest ".
starfe
Saint,
Ive been using Zirh aftershave for 2 yrs. Fantastic since its non-alcoholic. I keep it refrigerated after saleswomans recommendation. Some extract ingredients are ginseng, echinacea, slippery bark, plantain, aloe vera, sea kelp plus chemical substances.
Guys, be careful what you eat f.ex. salads or lettuce washed in water. Take precautionary measures. Drink bottled water and brush your teeth with bottled water. DATY only when freshly cleansed, right? (S).
4― weeks until departure for CTG.
Ok. It was bound to happen. I officially hit the wall tonight. I feel terrible. I was on another date with the total hottie from FF. She is so sweet. We had some beers, walked around and I did the "shopping mall" test with girls I normally do. I see if they ask to buy them anything. Get this. I noticed her birthday was coming up in a few weeks on her ID so I told her I wanted to buy her a pair of jeans. We went into 3 stores and she told me to save my money. She didn't buy anything! We're talking about $70 jeans even in Cali in the high end stores. Oh well.
We went to eat at a Parillia but I was feeling so aweful. Not only did my stomache hurt but I started getting a migraine headache. Í mean I feel so sick that if she was naked and attacked me I'd have to turn her down. That's how bad I feel. I told her that I didn't sleep last night (which is true) and that I ate something bad. She asked if I wanted to buy her way out of the club (70,000 pesos) and she would stay with me. I am dead, sick and not to mention that I had to call my non-pro girl that got back tonight. At dinner she was showing me pictures of all her family (sisters, brother, son, mom,dad). I think they do this once you build a rapport and some trust with them.
Shit. So I drop her off at work and we make out a bit. She told me to call tomorrow. Meanwhile I'm dying on the way home in the taxi thinking I'm going to puke. I get to the gate and Rigo tells me that non-pro hottie called me and that I needed to get ready. I told him I was sick and dead. I did talk to her and we talked for 35 minutes. She wanted to do something tonight but I just can't move. We are meeting for lunch tomorrow and maybe tomorrow night. We'll see how lunch goes. But on the phone she already told me that she wants me to meet her parents! We'll see how it goes. She's a totally sweet and gorgeous girl.
Anyway, that means I can't meet your amiga FLHobbyer tomorrow as I was supposed to. Not enough hours in the day. I hope I don't feel like dogshit tomorrow because I want to make a good impression on my amor.
I'm dying. I'm going to try to get some rest. Tomorrow is either going to be the greatest of all days or it's going to be crap with me being sick. Pray for me gents.
SAINT,
Great reports it really does bring back some great memories of what cali was like when I was there about a 1 year ago. You know what they say in cali "las caleņas son como las flores", I've yet to meet girls that are as beautiful and nice as the caleņas. thanks for sharing your experience.
Saint,
Your doing a great job on your reports. I was on another board a couple of years ago but that turned into a Flame/B.S forum and I have not been into forums since. I should really thank everyone Antifreeze, Frijole, Simple Man + many others for some really great info.
I did wake up with a full recovery. I think I just needed to get a few good hours of sleep. I feel fresh and I'm meeting my sweetie pie at 3 PM when she has her break from work.
I can't emphasize enough how good of a guy Rigo is at the Hostel I'm staying. There are nicer accomodations in Cali. In fact, I usually try to stay at the nicest places in town when I travel since I have a difficult time sleeping. There are many untold benefits of using Rigo. First of all he goes the extra mile to help you and he asks for nothing in return. I was sending roses to my girl today and I wrote out a letter. My Spanish is decent but there were still mistakes. Rigo took the time to correct them and printed the letter out for me. He also arranged to have them delivered.
He is a genuinely friendly guy and he gets the Saint seal of approval. I'd highly recommend him if you're coming to Cali. [url]http://www.calihotel.com [/url] calihotel@hotmail.com
I was supposed to meet FLHobbyist's amiga at noon but I had to reschedule because I'm meeting my Flores Fresca girl. Funny she just called now and I'll meet her after 5 PM. So I'm meeting FF girl at noon, then going directly to meet non-pro hottie girl, then going to meet FLHobbyist's amiga. It will be a long day. Plus, I'll do something with one of the girl's tonight. Probably the non-pro girl. I'm sure the flowers will be a big hit.
I'm going to go to ChipiChope to walk around some and enjoy the day. Life is good.
Saint - Glad to hear you're doing better. Sometimes a good nights rest lets your body recover. What's the rate at Rigo's place? I always prefer to stay at a smaller place as long as the rooms are nice. Personal service is great.
Saint: Great report. I hope you find whatever you are looking for from the non-pro girl.
I (and many on this board) am waiting for the conclusion between you and the non-pro girl.
Damn. I just had the best date of my life. I met with my non-pro girl for our date. We spent two hours together laughing, talking, eating and getting to know one another. She is the type of girl that I could retire from hobbying from. Understand that Iīm the type of guy that really has a lot of confidence. There isnīt a girl in the USA that I donīt feel I couldnīt get if I wanted. Many guys tell me that if I keep this hobbying up I wonīt be able to be happy with an American girl. What they donīt realize is that I donīt want an American girl!
Iīm meeting her again tonight and going to her house to pick her up. Iīm meeting her parents. She is just a simple girl. She doesnīt like going to the clubs/bars, prefers to stay at home, has a big heart and is as beautiful as they come on the inside and outside. Iīve met a lot of beautiful girls in my life but she might be the most beautiful one. I do prefer them a little older (she is only 19) but looks like 23 or so.
I think I was totally wrong about the girls here dating older guys. They must date guys much older than me because everyone keeps telling me how young I am. The club girls must have older novios.
Everyday Iīm here I have a deeper respect for their way of life here. There is a simplistic way of life here that I really admire. They treat people like a member of their family. I canīt tell you how nice the people are are with the few tourists that are here. Every single taxi driver has been so nice to me. Most give me their phone numbers inviting me to use them again anytime I need to. I do tip them and they really seem to appreciate it as the locals probably canīt afford to tip them. Again, I think the nicer Americans are with them it bodes well for future American visitors. Treat these people right and they will treat you right.
Americans often travel around with the attitude that we are the best in the world. That isnīt right. Not everyone envies us. In fact, I envy the way of life here and the respect that these people seem to have for one another.
I feel great! Iīm here at ChipiChope waiting on the amiga of one of the dudes from WSG. We are meeting for a drink.
Life is great!
Saint
Damn. Today could very well have been the busiest day Ive ever had in my life. I had a lunch date then another lunch date with my non-pro girl then I just spent the past 3 hours with the amiga of this dude from WSG. One thing is becoming very evident to me. Dont come here for the pro girls or to hobby. Come here for the normal girls. This is THE place to come if you want to fall in love with a normal, beautiful girl. The hobby girls arent the ideal ones to fall in love with. Its too difficult dealing with their past.
Dude from WSG, your girl is amazing. I talked you up a lot! You cant meet that kind of girl in America. Hell, you cant meet that kind of girl anywhere in the world. She is so beautiful on the outside but more so in the inside. Im so proud of her for learning English. NO ONE here speaks English. There are not many tourists here so people in restaurants, taxi drivers, stores dont have a need to learn like the other countries Ive been to. The only one that speaks English that I came across is Rigo. I really think youre foolish if you dont try for something with this girl.
I can honestly tell you that I was in no way hitting on her. In fact, I constantly kept talking about you. I also told her that I met a girl that I really liked and was meeting her family tonight. Still, I gotta admit it was pretty damn romantic looking back. Again, please know I'm not the type of guy to hit on another guy's amiga/novia. I wasn't so know that.
I would have talked to her longer but I looked at the time and I noticed I have a date with my non-pro girl. I just got out of the shower and Im waiting on my taxi. Im meeting her family tonight. The amiga of the WSGér is learning English. It was so cute how we were doing English lessons. I was so impressed by her wanting to learn that I gave her my $100 English/Spanish electronic dictionary that conjugates words too. She loved it! She couldnt believe that I gave it to her as a gift. Then she asked me about music so I whipped out my Ipod and we listened to songs in English while I translated. We were sitting at Reggae Pop (a little bar stand that usually a younger hip crowd goes to). One earphone was in my ear and the other in hers and she wanted me to translate songs so I was translating Dido and Sade songs to her.
I really have no desire to hobby. The normal girl scene is whats great about Cali. I think I could fall in love every day here. The normal girls are so nice. Hell, I dont even have a desire to hang out with the hot Flores Fresca girl. Why hang out with a pro girl when you can hang out with a sweet flower. The girls here are amazing. I cant say enough great things about the people here.
Guys, if you can speak Spanish and you want to meet a nice, untarnished flower then I highly recommend you visit Cali. After experiencing it I just think there is no better place in the world to fall in love, meet beautiful and genuine girls. Now I know why Antifreeze moved here.
Anyway, I gotta run. The only dangerous thing about Cali is it WILL make you settle down. If it makes me have the desire never to hobby again. Imagine what it will do for you?????
Guys, and especially you Saint, there is an American Airlines office in the Hotel InterContinental building (around side towards the casino) if you need to extend your trips :)
Colombia has some great Bargains,
Today I was at ChipiChope near the Reggae Pop bar and this hot Calena comes up to me. She offers to sell me a English/Spanish electronic dictionary for $25.00, I offered her $15.00 and she took it! That must be over $100 in the States!
Just messing with you Saint. Keep up the reports, At least hit a casa for 30 mins :)
My oh my,
Yes I was there when the other forum member met this wonderful girl at the ice cream stand . Has he been back to see her in the past 9 months, I don't know. I hope so if she is as wonderful as Saint portrays.
The same holds true for the girl Saint met at the Estetica. Beautiful girl, meeting the family, gorgeous, intelligent, so what next ? Commitment, Retirement from the hobby, Denial, Rejection, who knows ? The board members I have personally met while all well heeled and professional, run the gamut from the true hunter to the hopeless romantic.
The aforementioned questions remain to be answered, for it is a fine line, or merely semantics, that separates us from the local men that have screwed these girls over in the past. As one who leans toward the romantic right wing, I can say it's not such a bad dilemma to be in, but I think I'll sit back and watch this one play itself out. It is a wonderful thing to recognize the innocence , charm and immense beauty in these Colombian women, but as Sean Connery said to Kevin Costner in The Untouchables, " What are you prepared to do about it ?". Only time will tell.
As for me, I'm checking airfares and schedules to Medellin for the upcoming weeks. My memories have been sufficiently rekindled.
Later,
Slick
Ok guys. I'm just home to grab more money then I'm out the door. I just went to dinner with my new novia and her family. I was a big hit at dinner. Damn it helps that I could talk to them. I was cracking jokes and I have another date tomorrow and I invited her younger brother to come with us with his girlfriend. Her family was so blown away by this gesture. Her brother loved me. She loved the flowers I sent her today. Her mom commented to me that she thought I was perfect for her daughter.
I'm going to try to hit some other clubs in the name of research. Damn I wish my girl was here with me now but I guess it was tough leaving with her since her family was there. I didn't dare ask her to come back with me. A meal with tip for me, her and 4 of her family members was 220,000 pesos with a generous tip. I had the restaurant call 2 taxis. One for me and one for her family. I paid the taxi driver 20,000 pesos and told him to take out a 3,000 tip and give the change to her family when they got to their destination. They were also blown away by this gesture.
Anyway, I'll try to hit Tangas and some other places. If they suck I'll go back to Flores Fresca.
Definitely practice your Spanish before coming here. If you can speak spanish and are respectful with these girls I can't imagine not getting a girlfriend. I've been getting phone numbers left and right from non-pros and I really stopped trying after I met my non-pro girl. I'm going out. Please don't get the wrong idea. I'm not saying it's automatic. You have to know the kind of guy I am. I think I'm charismatic and a dynamic person (at least that is what everyone tells me), I'm very outgoing and I'm not shy in the least. I communicate and read people pretty well so I can see what makes them tick. These have served me very well in business as well as life.
I've always had good luck with girls outside of the hobby and in the hobby. Still, I haven't felt like how Cali is making me feel before. More later.
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Sh*t! I guess there is a first time for everything. I just got done sessioning with a girl and I was closing my eyes thinking about my non-pro girl. Is that equivalent to going to a pro and thinking about your wife???
Oh well.. I went to try Tangas Club and it sucked!!! That Ramone guy told me that it was good. You can scratch it off your list. It's in South Cali about a 15 minute taxi ride. The area looks kind of rough so I wouldn't walk around at night in this area. I'm a pretty brave guy but didn't do any walking around in this area. Most of these types of clubs have 1-3 guys sitting downstairs shooting the shit. They will all frisk you to see if you have a gun (I guess in itself tells you something about Columbia??). I'm not sure. Also, I will mention one of my girls I met her boyfriend was murdered so that was a first for me too.
Anyway, Tangas has all fat girls. There is no cover fee and there shouldn't be. You walk up 2 flights of stairs and you see a bunch of locals. The girls are sitting around and the manager yelled for them to introduce themselves to me. I told him he didn't have to as all the girls were slobs anyway. I ordered a coke just to see how much it was. It was 2,000 pesos. I took one sip of it then left.
This is an area I didn't see a lot of taxis in. Always ask them to call you a taxi. I forgot upstairs but I paid the guys downstairs to flag me one down.
I was going to stay home. I can't really get my mind off my non-pro girl. Anyway, I went to Flores Fresca. There were a few cuties there. I ordered a Red Bull but was still thinking about my girl so I left. Then I was going to come back home when I asked myself, "what the hell are you doing??". I decided to go to Kaliente to see if that would change my mood.
I went to Kaliente and there must be a HUGE pool of girls because they had 12 girls working and every single one of them was different than all the girls I've seen the previous days. There was a cute girl in the line up. Not gorgeous but she had a cute face. I paid the 180,000 pesos to pull her out for 3 hours. After two hours I told her she could go because I was tired. She didn't appear to want to leave. You have to understand all they do at Kaliente is all share a room with other girls. It's not the best of circumstances.
Also, remember this ain't some places like Brazil and Argentina where these girls are making a fortune. Even the hottest Flores Fresca girl will max out at $1,000 US per month on her very best month working 6 days a week. Some of the girls in Buenos Aires or Rio can make that in a few nights. Cali isn't a high volume place and I doubt if it ever will be.
Anyway, as I mentioned the entire time sessioning I closed my eyes and was thinking about my girl. I didn't even kiss this girl. She tried a few times. What does that say about me?? Sh*t.
Oh well. I have another lunch date with my girl and then a dinner date with her. FLHobbyer's girl asked if I would stop by and say hi to her tomorrow. I'm not sure I'll be in that neck of the woods but I will if I'm there.
It's been an interesting few years and a multitude of countries for me. This is the first time I've felt quite like this. We will see what happens. I did find it interesting that these Columbians need a visa to visit practically everywhere. No countries trust them. They can't even go to Costa Rica without a visa!! One of the countries they can visit without a visa I heard tonight is Peru. But then again...who would want to live in Peru right??
Anyway, I asked my novia in front of her family if she wants to go to Peru with me next month to see Machu Picchu. She said, "Si!" I'm not sure how much a ticket costs from Cali to Lima but I figure it can't be that much. Her family laughed when I joked in Spanish if her parents didn't trust me I would get seperate rooms. Surprisingly her mom said that she trusts me a lot and that she thought I was perfect for her daughter.
I've dated a lot of girls in the hobby. Hell, I dated one last year for almost a year. I flew her in to my house several times...the whole nine yards. I had geniune feelings and all that stuff. The one thing though in the back of any guys mind is having to deal with their past. I guess we can't judge them too much because of the girls we see but honestly I think I may have seen more girls than some of these pros. Ooops!
Stay tuned...I'm seriously thinking of extending again but I think I wouldn't have a job so I won't push it. I'm already leaving for the French Riviera in two weeks for one week but I might fly from there to Cali. Am I nuts?
P.S.
What Slick just posted couldn't be more true. I think if you are coming down for the amateurs don't be afraid to be honest with them. If you aren't looking for anything serious just tell them you're having fun now but if you meet the right one you'd settle down. My girl asked me if I met other girls here. I said, Yes, in fact many of them. (of course I didn't tell her I phucked them).
You have to be careful with the non-pro girls too. With the roses I sent her I included a very sincere letter, part of which said that I will only ask you for one thing. Honesty. Not love or respect (because I will earn those things). That in ANY relationship you had to have honesty. I mean, sh*t. I have to admit the letter was damn good. I sure can write sometimes.
Sometimes you find love when you're not looking for it. I'm not saying I'm in love but I think this could blossom into something great if I wanted it to. I have to ask myself what I want. I knew there would be a day when I'd get tired of running around the world seeing pretty girls. Who knows if this trip is heading me go in that direction. I do know that I've never felt like this on one of these trips. Most of you that know me or have seen my pictures know my taste. I like pretty girls and have had more than a provider relationship with some of them. But they can't compare to how I feel now.
Time will tell. If you don't have Pimsleur Spanish get it. If you need help getting it cheap my buddy Juan has them. PM my message box here and I'll shoot you his email address and he can get it to you. I was an idiot and bought them for $1,000+ for the 3 series set then he told me he has them. Oh well.
Damn this is a wonderful Country. My goal is to see more of it like Medellin and Cartagena and maybe some other cities. Cali is a dump but the people are GREAT...
Leo, I did see that American Airlines office when I passed the IC Hotel. That IC looks damn nice for Cali. I might use it the next time. I think the next time I came here though it would only be to spend time with my chica. Not sure. Who knows. I'm a bit confused at myself now. I already changed my ticket once and might extend it again. The sad thing is that I have extended almost every single one of my vacations and it gets expensive after doing it 15-20 times a year. Ouch.
Stay tuned...
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Well after reading Saints and plenty other reports I am finally going to Cali. I will be there march 16th to march 21st if anyone wants to get together to hang out, send me a message. Anyhow great reports Saint, keep them coming. Oh and another thing, whatever job you have is MY dream job considering it allows you to travel so much! Just in case anyone wants to know. I am currently in Panama City. A roundtrip flight from here to Cali cost 290 flying with Avianca.
Happy Hunting.
Saint, did you experienced or did you heard about some of the regulars spots already mentionned on the thread (Mystic K, Academia de Cerveza, ect ...) : is the crowd there old enough for that a 30's gringo could feel confortable and not out of place (unlike Rio where some good spots in Barra or Leblon are packed only with teenagers), are there some unaccompagned groups of girlies partying in the discos and in the bars, what are the currents hippest spots to hang for happy hours, dining and partying for the wealthy 20/30's crowd (and the sexy 20/30 girlies !) , you already mentionned Reggae Pop but i think it's in the mall ? ...
Thanks for the reports, have a good time ...
PS : same kind of infos about Medellin should be welcome too, thaks in advance to any reply ;
Pro,
I went to very few clubs. I did try Casa de la cerveza but it's a restaurant not a club. There are "beautiful girls" there. Many are with other dudes. I haven't had a chance to hit the other clubs. I've been on dates almost every night. I much prefer to go to nice restaurants or a pub with my dates and talk. I don't really dance although I'd love to learn. I had a lesson the other day but I was on a date and I missed it.
As far as the best place. I'd say it's ChipiChope mall. Go there on a friday or saturday night. It's unbelievable how many gorgeous girls there are. Many are with their friends. Many are with their dates. It's amazing how the girls even with their boyfriends will stare at you almost to say, "if I wasn't with my boyfriend I'd give you my phone number".
It should be pointed out that scoring with the non-pros isn't automatic. Just like in any country these Calenas aren't going to cream in their jeans just because you have a US passport. You have to at least be presentable. I'm not saying you have to be young, Brad Pitt, etc. Do the best you can. Focus on other things. If you're not in the best of shape, go out and get some nice clothes, groom yourself the best you can. Practice up on your Spanish. That is the biggest skill I can tell you. Speaking Spanish is the biggest key here. It's impossible to score a non-pro hottie girlfriend here if you can't speak Spanish. I wouldn't even recommend coming here unless you speak at least a little Spanish.
I think part of the reason why the locals are so friendly with me is because I start off by telling each new person I meet how wonderful the people are here. I joke around with them. That right away puts people at ease. Imagine a guy from Haiti going to Chicago and not being able to speak English. Do you think the locals are going to treat this guy that nice. Imagine if he got in a taxi, went to the grocery store, went to the mall. What kind of reception will he get in OUR country?? Exactly. Learn some Spanish.
I'm amazed that Americans don't have the desire to learn foreign languages. I've met so many guys that go over and over to Brazil. I'm talking every other month yet they can't or don't want to learn basic Portuguese. The same thing goes for other countries. Speaking Spanish in Cali is vital to having a good and arguably a safe trip. Again, my Spanish isn't great. I mean I can understand maybe 80% of everything. I've never had a difficult time getting across what I want to say and I'm able to speak as fast as most locals. I just have to improve my vocabulary. I think I'm up to about 25,000 words or so.
As much as I love any one city I just feel it's important to see the world. I absolutely love Buenos Aires and I hit it over and over and over. Some of you know I even got an apartment there I liked it so much. I broke away and forced myself to visit other cities and countries and I'm glad I did. I feel like a better person for doing it. People need to visit cities for other reason besides girls.
For instance, visiting Germany really touched something inside of me. I had no real knowledge of what the Jewish people went through during the war until I visited Germany and read some articles. Now I'm really fascinated and I'm reading the Diary of Anne Franke now. When I hit Amsterdam in May I'm really interested in visiting the museum there.
Every city has good things and bad things. Cali truly isn't a city I could find myself living in. The people are great but I live a good life. I don't give up living in a great house or driving a luxury car to travel. I have those things. However, if I lived here I'd have to give up so much. As nice and friendly as the people are here there is very little to do during the day. The guy I met from WSG that has been living here for 6 years seems content but I can imagine a little under pressure to make money since he has a kid and another on the way.
Even Rigo here at the hotel seems happy but money seems like it is a problem. He mentioned since interest rates are so high here he is forced to take lower interest loans on his credit cards. Yikes!
I doubt Cali will ever be a high end destination. A few dudes emailed me telling me that I shouldn't post such good things for fear of it turning into a Costa Rica. I don't think that will ever happen. Americans are too scared and lazy. And as I said, most of the guys on these message boards are only looking for sex. If hobbying is all your after, there are lots of better cities around the world. As much as I make it sound like Cali is safe keep in mind I've only been here about 9 days so far. Columbia obviously has a history of violence. I just don't see it here in Cali.
I probably will come back in a few weeks but I won't give up my other trips around the world. I'll see how this relationship goes but i know that I may be incapable of a committed long term relationship. I have to accept certain truths about myself. I always think the grass is greener on the other side. I was married to about the perfect woman (gorgeous, smart, gorgeous, from a wealthy family, etc.) and I didn't want to be in it anymore and was cheating around. I had a lot of guilt from the actions that I did during the marriage and I'll be really careful about getting into something serious again.
Something I love now is being able to go wherever I want to go, sleep in on the weekends without being asked to go run an errand, eating out every night, eating on the couch or the bed in front of the TV. Being single is the ultimate freedom. Still, the institution of marriage is so great. The idea of marriage. About having someone there to take care of you and love you for the rest of your life. I have a soft spot in my heart that will never give up on the idea of getting remarried again.
Sometimes I think to myself do I really want to be hobbying and alone when I'm 35, 40, 45, 50? Guys are stupid sometimes. We think about today or tomorrow whereas girls think about next year and 5 years from now.
Sorry to get so philosophical on you guys. I just have been doing a lot of thinking while listening to my Ipod walking around various cities like Paris, London, Nuremberg, etc.
Anyway, I woke up really early. I didn't sleep much. My hottie girl called and wants to meet up before work for a drink then I'll go out with her on another date tonight to the movies at ChipiChope mall. FLHobbyer's girl called me too. She noticed I had no Salsa music on my Ipod so she said she wanted to give me a gift of a Salsa CD. I have a busy day planned but I thought that was a nice gesture and will stop by and pick it up later in the afternoon after I visit my girl.
Later.
Saint thanks for the reply ;
BTW i think the evening consacred to take your GF's family diner will stay long in their heart and in your memories ;
I personnaly like acting nice with regulars in undervisited Brasilian towns of Goias or Minas and always had a reward with dating some of them, sometime with a horizontal reward but sometimes also with just the high pleasure to have a geniune and big hearted girl as a companion for a perfect night's out .... some still e-mail or call me after years and years ...
Cheers anyway
Itīs funny but "Mojo Rasing" must have just been to this internet cafe here at ChipiChope mall recently because I logged in to WSG and his sign in was still on. I guess that will remind me to log out..ha, ha.
Anyway, Iīm here at Chipi Chope. I just finished having lunch with Antifreeze. Damn. This is probably one of the most intelligent, philosophical guys that Iīve ever met not only in the hobby but outside of the hobby as well. We think alike on almost all universal issues. I hope to keep in contact with him in the future and Iīm sure Iīll meet up with him on future trips. Itīs evident that this guy has his sh#t together and will go far in life.
Pro,
I agree with you about doing nice things. I never do nice things expecting something out of it. Iīm the type of guy that does nice things for the sake of doing it. It makes me feel good and I know the people appreciate it and that is good enough for me. For me, being nice pays so many dividends. I always come across guys that say not to tip X% but you canīt measure life in dollars and cents. Iīm a happy guy and I like the way I do things. I also think people can sense that about me and I think thatīs half the reason why Iīve been so lucky with girls. Girls like a guy that always has a smile on his face. What the hell do I have to complain about?
Anyway, Iīm going to meet my novia for a drink before her work then Iīll go say hi to that other girl and pick up the CD she wants to give me. Crap I donīt want to go home tomorrow. I still might extend but I doubt it. I have to make some money to pay for future trips.
Antifreeze, Saint,
I am planning on bouncing around S.A. for a few years and I am interested in keeping a longterm apartment in Cali. Do you know of a website with apartment photos and info. Also what part of town would you reccomend living for a gringo.
Thanks,
Eddie
Saint, God bless you ;
thanks pro!
this is probably my last update this trip. sadly, i'm leaving tomorrow morning. i had another good day. it's been interesting getting to know the people and the city of cali. the nicest group of people i have ever known.
i met my novia for some drinks before she went to work after i hooked up with antifreeze. i think i could sit for hours just staring into her eyes. physical attraction is important but the thing about these calenas is they are genuinely sweet. (ellas son muy carinosas y muy dulces!) i laughed a few times because when i was in cuba with my buddy seaman our theme chant everyday when we'd get together that we'd all say is, "una chica muy linda, con una cara muy bonita, un buen cuerpo, con un corazon grande y muy carinosa!" (a very pretty girl, with a very pretty face, a good body with a big heart that is very affectionate).
those guys razzed me because every time a girl asked me what kind of girl i liked i would dole out that answer. every single time so he and tad would chant that every day. pretty soon we'd be in our rental car and just chant out those words. it was pretty funny. seaman, if you are reading this you'll be happy to know that i'm finding all those qualities in these girls.
some generally interesting things i noticed is that places like mcdonald's, subway, etc. are here. and you know what? they are making a fortune. you have to understand that the price of an extra value meal here is not cheap. in fact, it's just a little less than one in the usa but these people don't make much. i've met lots of non-pro girls that work 6 days a week and only make 600,000 pesos a month (about $225) yet they are eating at mcdonalds. you know what? i think it's sort of a status symbol thing. they want to be able to say to their friends or other family members... "hey, i took my family to mcdonald's last night". it's really strange to see all the mcdonald's packed.
the other thing is do you think all these us businesses would be doing business here if it was as dangerous as people portray columbia to be? while i will admit that columbia statistically is a dangerous country and antifreeze threw out some statistics to me that weren't too good, i find it a little gem.
i can honestly say that most hobbyist probably shouldn't come if they are only looking to score with the pros. there are way better cities like buenos aires and rio. i seriously doubt cali will become a mainstream destination.
some guys might be worried about "getting ripped off" here. the thing they don't realize is there is no big tourism industry here so the locals probably wouldn't even know where to begin.
there are private casas in many many many sections of towns. just ask a taxi. the selection might not be that good but it doesn't hurt to go. there is no entrance fee and you don't have to do the "walk of shame"past the girls if you don't pick them since they do a line up one by one then leave the room.
i even have a few of the pros calling me daily. the hot ff girl called today but i couldn't pick up the phone because i was with my girl. if you rent a bell south cellphone you can buy rechargable cards all over the malls at the bell south stands or in most major supermarkets. they come in 10,000; 20,000 and 30,000 peso refills. they might have higher too but just get a little at a time. i find the cell phones to be expensive here. you dial *611 to add refill credits and to check your balance. it's all in spanish. just dial 1 to add credits and 2 to check your balance.
if you're calling a local non-cell phone from your cell phone you need to dial 032 before the local # or it won't work. if you speak spanish definitely rent a cellphone so you can talk with the chicas.
remember what i said about first impressions. these girls like guys that dress well. to them it's a signal that you have your sh*t together and can take care of yourself. they take good care of themselves and even in the malls like chipichope you'll see free big industrial scales that have a sign that say, "watch your weight". sh*t... the american girls could sure use those, huh?
anyway, i'm waiting on my girl. she is coming over to pick me up then we're going to the movies at chipichope. some of you pméd me asking where i went to dinner last night. it was a place in the south of cali called, rancho de jonas. her family picked it out. it was ok. outdoor patio type place with a mariachi band. food was pretty decent but not fabulous.
also, i wanted to point out that i type extremely fast. i type what i am thinking so my posts are genuine. i hope i don't come across as arrogant jerk because i'm really not that kind of guy. a few of you on the board truly know me and know what kind of person i am. one of my buddies told me that my posts come across as arrogant. i told him i'm not going to change the type of person i am. i've always tried to help people and i've never asked for anything in return. just my 2 cents.
if you come to cali, please respect their culture, respect their citizens and importantly respect these precious flowers that are the girls of cali. if you are a sicko that is into chasing **** girls or some other form of dengenerate i'd stay away from cali if i were you. antifreeze told me he has come across a few. i have a feeling if you are an ass here you could get yourself into a lot of sh*t quickly.
good luck all.
saint
I'm really glad you're leaving Saint. I don't think I could stand much more of your reporting. I'm going to BA in 4 weeks, and yet you're making me almost cry that I'm not going to Cali. Bad, bad, Saint!
I seriously doubt that the McDonalds and Subway are US owned. Even in the US, about 80% of all stores are just franchisees. They pay the 200k or 500k to get a location, and then pay a certain advertising cost, and percentage of sale. They usually have to buy certain supplies (napkins, bags, food containers) that are marked up also.
McDonalds makes big bucks off of them, and the locals get to get a Big Mac. In Bangkok and SJO recently I ate at Subways there and was amazed that people would pay so much money for a mediocre sandwich.
In Thailand a Subway 6" sub was $3.50 on Sukhumvit. In Kuala Lumpur I passed one and the same sub was only $2.00. It's weird. In Thailand the KFC's don't have corn on the cob, but they do in Malaysia.
Im sitting here at the Miami airport. Damn I hate connecting through Miami. Its always a zoo. I thought Id give details of departing Calis airport. Damn, its a zoo. My flight left at 8:15 AM so I was told to leave my hotel at 5 AM. I had to get up at 4 AM. I only slept two hours so Im dead. Everyone told me it could take a while to go through the airport so I took their advice and left by 5 AM. If you are flying First/Business or youre Platinum/EXP you dont have to leave so early since you avoid the long lines. The regular line was long but I zipped through the First Class line.
You should note that before you go through the ticketing agent you need to go upstairs to get a waiver form so you dont get socked with extra taxes. Your airline should have already taxed you the $25 however, if you dont go upstairs and get the waiver form and your passport stamped you must pay extra money. Go upstairs then go to your left and there is a small window with a guy working. He will ask for your passport and will stamp it and fill out a form then hand it back to you. Go back downstairs and get in line and youre set. The airport was the only place I went where a few people spoke English (only the American Airlines employees).
At the entrance of the door to say goodbye there were all these people crying. You have to understand that Columbians have it extremely tough. They need visas for just about every single country except Peru, Argentina, Brazil and maybe a handful of other countries. The ones that are lucky enough to go to the USA take it, sometimes even if it means leaving family members behind. Ive never seen so many people crying at an airport before and Ive been to quite a few airports. It broke my heart to see what these family members were going through. Imagine your mom leaving alone with your sister while youre standing there with your dad and your other sisters and brothers. Thats what I saw. The father looked at me and I just gave him a kind of Im sorry amigo look. I was also sad to leave my new novia behind but I cant even compare it to these people.
Seeing this scene made me realize just how damn lucky we are as Americans. It just doesnt seem fair to me that we have it easier just because we are born just a few thousand miles north of these people. Unfortunately the majority of these people will never have the opportunity to improve their life too much. No one wants to loan them money even if they have a good idea or they are intelligent or have a good business sense. Kind of like in the US where banks only want to lend you money if you already have money except much much worse.
I did meet a few people that were lucky to get visas but they stayed behind because of almost the exact situation as the family above. In one case the father and mother and 2 of their kids got visas but 2 didnt. Rather than split up the family members they all stayed behind. There is no rhyme or reason to the decision making process of giving out visas.
I also met others here that lived in the USA before and came back. They made it through the difficult process of getting a visa but they found life in the USA disenchanting. Everyone thinks the USA is this easy place where great jobs are falling likes leaves off a tree. Where money is easy to make. The reality is the USA is one of the easiest countries in the world to make a little bit of money and difficult to make a lot of money. These people were working 2 or 3 jobs just to pay for their rent, food, kids clothes, medical bills. They came to the USA to improve their lives but they were slaves working daily to break even.
Another person that I met that fell in that category was my taxi driver back to the airport. He was a cool guy. His name is Felix Franco. Younger at 40 years old and his English is perfect. He is easy going and I just really got a good feeling from him. If you speak little to no Spanish or even if you do he is a good guy to call to use as a driver or translator. Most of these guys in Cali charge about $10 - $15 an hour. I told him I know some guys that might come to Cali. I got the price down to $8 an hour for you and if you use him more than 6 hours a day hell drop it down to $6. Just tell him Santo sent you and hell take good care of you. His cell phone number is (315) 573-4849. His home number is 3250302 or 5140287.
Ive been fortunate to meet good people. Im a good judge of character and this guy will take good care of you. Its funny in the taxi we were talking about how hot the Caleņas are and he told me Id like the Paisas too. He married one. I asked him how in the hell he can be married here with so many hot girls. He told me honestly he wakes up and the first thing he does is pray to God that he can be strong and not give into temptation. Ha! Talk about a strong guy. He also told me that sometimes he feels lucky not to be wealthy here because there would be too many temptations with the opportunities it would bring.
The ironic thing is even if you had a ton of money you probably couldnt spend it. I mean, you dont want to stand out too much. You cant have too nice of a house; you cant buy a nice car, etc. I was surprised to see not even one convertible in a town with perfect weather for a convertible but its just too dangerous Im told. I only saw American and Asian cars. I only saw one BMW the entire 10 days I was there. Cars are expensive here.
I originally was only staying 5 days so I just had a back pack and a Travel Pro 22 suitcase. You can actually pack a lot in those Travel Pros. I went through customs which was easy. Here is where I made my mistake. I went into the Admirals Club which is immediately to the right after Passport Control. The airport is hot and humid with no air conditioning. The Admirals Club isnt that nice here but the air conditioning is extremely strong. There was no one at the front desk so I imagine anyone can use it since no one checked if I was a member. There is only coffee and orange juice. They didnt even have bottled water. They did have CNN though in English.
I was dead tired and fell asleep. I woke up and it was 7 AM. Perfect so I thought since my plane didnt leave till 8:15 and boarding started at 7:30 AM. I go out and I see this long ass line. I think to myself sh*t! To make matters worse there is only one x-ray machine, a drug sniffing dog and they were frisking everyone so the process is slow. If you come here skip the admirals club and just go to your gate. I waited there one hour. Yes, you heard that right. The only comforting thing was that many in line behind me were on my flight too so I knew the plane wasnt going anywhere.
So I finally get to the front of the line. The guy decides to open up my suitcase and take out EVERYTHING. It took me a while to pack since I bought some stuff and it was jam packed. They even checked the lining. They made me turn on my laptop. It took forever. If you use drugs I highly advise to leave them at home or dont do them this trip. This isnt the country you want to get locked up in. Also, in Miami the first thing you see is drug sniffing dogs. Ive never done any drugs in my life and glad after hearing some of the problems they caused some of these people.
Im on my plane now and missing Cali. There is a guy sitting next to me on the plane and I told him I went to Cali and he looked at me like I was out of my mind. He told me how dangerous it is. I asked if hed been there and he said no. I do realize that statistically Columbia is a dangerous country. I was only there 10 days. I can honestly say that I felt as safe in Columbia as I did in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. In fact, Id say I saw more shady characters in the Copacabana area than I saw in all of Cali.
I will definitely be back here. Maybe in as few as 3 weeks. Good or bad I started some sort of relationship with my girl here. Guys should realize with the sweet innocent girls youre not going to jump in bed right away with them. It may take a few dates. There is a reason they are slaving their asses off making nothing rather than sleeping with tons of guys making a lot more money. These girls are sweet and many are innocent. Im ok with the courtship phase. Its been a while since Ive gone through this with a non-pro girl. When Ive dated working girls Ive always justified its ok to sleep with other girls since she is working anyway. I guess I cant make that excuse anymore.
It was sweet at the movies my girl told me that she is breaking up with her boyfriend tomorrow. I was pretty honest with her. I told her that Ive really met a lot of girls all around the world and in my life. I also told her that I havent been able to forget her which is true. I asked her how much she makes working at the salon 6 days a week (sometimes 7) and I was floored when she told me only 350,000 pesos a month (less than $150). I couldnt believe it. I know her family struggles but they seem like they have a happy life.
They are so wonderful together and love each other so much. You should have seen them at dinner that one night. Ive never seen a stronger bond and a better relationship. I was actually envious and wished I had that kind of family growing up. I had the things that most would consider essential: living in a nice house in a nice neighborhood, went to the best private schools, didnt lack for food or clothing etc. but I cant remember a time when I experienced what I witnessed that night at dinner with her family.
Anyway, after the movie it was late but I asked her brother if I could walk around with her a bit alone and talk. I gave him some money to buy a drink but I didnt see anything open. Im not sure if this was a right move or not but I gave her some money and I told her that I wanted to help her. I told her not to work so hard and to take more English classes. She is only taking English classes 2 nights a week but has made very little progress since she cant study too much. She wouldnt take the money at first but I reasoned with her and by the end of the conversation she had tears in her eyes and was thanking me. She told me she couldnt believe she met me. I told her that Im not a wealthy guy but I will help whenever I can and Ill be there for her. We kissed and we just held one another for a while. Neither of us really had to say anything but we both had the same look in our eyes. It was a bittersweet moment.
Maybe some of you that live in Columbia can tell me if this was an OK move or not what I did. I didnt want to offend her and she certainly wasnt offended. She never asked for anything from me. Sometimes I just like helping out a little. Im not expecting anything in return for this. I did it in Buenos Aires too where I met a girl working in a restaurant slaving her ass off. I had no romantic interests in her even though she was cute and expressed interest in me. I gave her about $150 (500 pesos) a month for several months. I opened up a US bank account and added her name and added money in it. It helped her get a tourist visa and she now is living in Europe. We keep in touch from time to time and she always tells me that she will never forget what I did for her and will pay me back someday. Im not writing this to hear what a great guy I am. I dont think its anything special. I just think sometimes in life you have to do nice things for the sake of doing them. I feel so happy that my friend is happy now in Europe. She would have never gotten anywhere in Argentina. Some of you have met her. She handed out flyers at one of the restaurants on Junin street in Recoleta. I hope this in some way inspires other guys to help others in some small way.
Even if I dont stay with this girl Im thinking of telling her that Ill give her 600,000 pesos a month (almost double her monthly salary) if she agrees to take English classes full-time. It no doubt will help her have a happier future. Her best friend lives in the USA and she doesnt seem to have a big desire to live in Cali. She has no friends in Cali and is kind of a home body. She doesnt go out much. I asked her mom at dinner if she would miss her daughter if she moved to the USA and her mom had a tear in her eye and told me that her daughter is her life. She loves her more than she loves herself. She told me though that if knowing that her daughter was happy and had a legitimate chance of a good future she would be happy. It was a Hallmark moment. I know some of this sounds gushy. If so, stop reading. No one is forcing you to read this.
Many emotions and thoughts are going through my head right now but Im so happy that I went to Columbia. I didnt know what to expect but it was a very enriching experience if you couldnt tell from my diary. Sometimes you just have to do something impulsive. I just got a ticket on a whim with very little notice. Life is short and you have to take advantage of the time you have. I truly hope some of you were able to gain some valuable information from my diary. Whether it was hobby info or just normal everyday life stuff in Cali, I hope you could take something positive out of it.
Good luck. I hope people visit this city full of amazing and wonderful people.
Hey Saint,
I normally post in Las Vegas. Living here in Vegas can sure make a cynical bastard out of ya, with all the rip-offs and girls that take huge advantage. I mean it's probably the same throughout most of the USA, but I think it's worse here.
I'm sure a lot of the same 'cynical bastards' would tell you that you were being taken for a fool and there's a lot of other 'boyfriends' these girls talk to. I don't know, I can't know, but I DO know that I enjoyed your posts, and they seem real. It's nice to know there are some decent guys like you out there, even if it may make you more likely to be ripped off. Empathy is never a bad thing. Don't lose that and good luck with those girls. And if THIS sounds too gushy to anyone, tough shit.
Saint ... I have to say, I don't know you at all but I already like you. You seem to be a very genuine and good man.
I now live in Medellin half the month with the Paisa that I met about a year ago and our stories sound similar.
My Paisa still never asks for money and it's still tough to give it to her. I'm pretty sure your new Calena knows the money you gave her was from your heart ... you did a good thing.
I have to admit ... I still feel the call of the wild and I play the mongering game when I travel for my job, which is quite a bit, but it sure is nice when I come back to Medellin and mi Paisita esta esperando mi (my Paisa is waiting for me)
Cheers!
Saint and Company,
Thanks for all the good insight. I think I may use your Taxi guide when I get to Cali because l am not a huge fan of mongering, only at times. Anyhow if you decide to return to Cali let me know. For Saint or anyone else I will be there March 16. I am just getting in from a long dull night out here in Panama City, im sure Cali will be a needed break from the norm.
Happy Hunting.
Hi guys. Can any guys that fly in/out of Cali a lot tell me the cheapest priced airlines that fly from Cali to Medellin? I did see flights on Avianca round-trip for less than $100 so that is pretty darn cheap. Also, do you know which airlines fly from Cali to Lima, Peru?
P.S. Some people have emailed me asking what the downsides were to that Hotel I stayed in. There were several disadvantages but the owner, Rigo, was such a gregarious and friendly guy it overshadowed the bad things. Still, I'll point out what I thought could be improved.
My bed wasn't too comfortable. It was much much better than the so called mattresses they have in Cuba but not near as comfortable as most hotel beds. You have to keep in mind this is basically just a huge house and he rents out rooms. Another was the pillows. The pillows were quite bad. If I stayed there again, I'd bring my own pillows. The other thing was they are doing construction on the house right now and adding on more rooms so construction workers start semi-early in the morning around 8 or 9 AM. You can't sleep in with the noise. I had hot water and there were only maybe 2 times when the hot water ran out mid-way during shower and I did take one cold shower late one morning. Also, the rooms were very dim at night. Maybe you can ask for stronger lightbulb.
I'm not sure what you can expect for $45 a night though. He has rooms for $35 a night and bigger apartments for $45 a night. Something I didn't know was that he charges a $10/night guest fee if you have a guest more than 1 hour so the apartments I guess must go for $55 a night. That is a bit high for Cali standards. I think you can get a room at the Intercontinental for about $75 a night + tax. When I go back I'll probably try another hotel but I'd still be tempted to use him again just because he was such a nice guy. My trip wouldn't have been as good without staying there.
Another thing is that I got bit by several mosquitos in my room. However, I'm the type that mosquitos love. I can be in a room with 100 people and I'll be the only one that gets bitten. I'd recommend you bring a Citronella candle.
There is a company I use to buy a bunch of travel related stuff. I go to so many different countries sometimes it's nice to have some of this stuff. I've bought many many many products from them and can recommend them highly.
[url]http://www.walkabouttravelgear.com/index1.htm[/url]
Saint
Great reports from Cali. Thank you.
First , both Avianca and Aerorepublica fly from CLO-MDE. Both can be booked on-line at non-gringo prices. If you book more than two weeks before it is much less expensive.
www.summa.aero
www.aerorepublica.com.co
There may be other non-iata airlines that fly this route.
Second, there are no IATA airlines that fly direct from CLO-LIM. Aviance fly with a connection in Bogota. Current tariff is US$279 round trip.
Third, I understand your feelings and emotions about you new novia in Cali. To me you are someone that will manage this situation and I am sure that you, in the end of the day, you will analyse the situation and make the right choice. A word of warning: Colombian women can be difficult and any relationship is with the entire family.
Forth, I think you have played down somewhat the security situation in Cali. It is probably the most dangerous city in Colombia. I never feel comfortable there and I have friends that have lived there that have had to leave because they are fed up with being robbed and generally feeling insecure. I have other friends that have continually down-scaled their cars because anything considered "good" is robbed at traffic signal. They have lost two cars in the last year.
Fifth, for US$55 you can stay in the best hotel in Cali IMHO, the Casa Dann Carlton, and get change. They are not exactly chica-friendly but are chica tolerant.
Once again, thanks for your great prose and an excellant insight into what is a great but somewhat damgerous destination.
Take care
Thanks for the links. I had one of them but not the other.
I'm not sure how the novia situation will work out. I'm not expecting anything and just will see how things go. I tend to jump into things and just let them work themselves out. I agree with you about the family situation. After it was clear that we both had feelings she wanted me to meet her family.
It's not that I intentionally downplayed the security angle. I was only there 10 days. Guys need to be careful and use their best judgement when deciding on traveling anywhere the State Department has a warning. I think it's much different for the average tourist going a few days or a week than someone living there for years on end. I felt comfortable there but I think traveling in South America many times helped.
Lastly, can you please give me the contact information for the Casa Dann Carlton. I went to the website [url]http://www.hotelesdann.com/html/dann_carlton_cali.html[/url] but when I go to email them it gets bounced back. I'm not sure if that page is accurate. How do I get the $55 rate you talk about? Also, do you have an updated website link or a phone number so I can call. I'll most likely be back in 2 weeks or so and I'd like to try out a new place.
Also, what do you mean it's chica tolerant? Will I have to pay a fee to bring a girl back? Thanks in advance.
Saint
I have a similar question. I will be traveling to Cali with a buddy of mine on March 15th. At most we are looking to spend around $55 bucks a night combined, for our accomidations. Where can we get the most for our money? Is calihotel still our best bet?
Saint, myself and my buddy are thinking about getting an apartment at the Cali hotel together. How are the apartments?
Thanks in advance, happy hunting. Oh once again, if anyone is in Cali and wants to get together around March 15th, let me know. I will be there.
SAINT, I also have a favorite place I like to stay when visiting Cali.
It's called 'Hotel Casa del Portal' ... on Ave Sexta A ... maybe 3 blocks from Chippi Chappi ... easy walk ... and also very close to Kaliente, Flores Frescas, Ave Sexta, etc.
Cost is normal 100,000 pesos but you can talk yourself down to 80,000 per noche.
The guys that work there are fantastic, always helped me with the 'juggling' of the chicas. Became good friends with them.
Very comfortable, affordable, no construcion, good pillows (haha) and a free breakfast every morning if you can get out of bed by 11am ... I usually ordered breakfast in bed every morning with my chica ... as you know, they love that.
... Also, in Medellin, try Hotel Plaza Rosa ... less luxurious than Intercontinental, but way more affordable and people are muy chevere (very cool). www.hotelplazarosa.com
I'm off to to Venezuela for a few days ... life is bueno!
Suerte!
Ricker,
Thanks for the great advice on those places. This is what the board is all about. I might also try to get to Medellin this trip coming up. Not sure if I can do it but I'll sure try. I'll check out that hotel if I go.
That's one thing I forgot to put in my report. The girls use "chevere" a lot!! I heard it in other places I've been to like Cuba but not as much. In Cali the girls use it all the time. So do the locals. I swear, this one girl used that word maybe like 20 times one night in my room. I had my laptop, Ipod with speakers so we were listening to music, candles illuminating the room (definitely go out and buy a ton of candles - chicks love it!), and a bunch of other stuff and she kept saying, "chevere". It was cute.
Free Sex,
I didn't even look at the apartments since they were all booked. I talked to my amigo, Jay that was staying in one. He was in it with two other people so they must be bigger. They are $55 a night but I think one of you would get the bed and another a fold out sofa. I'm not sure how comfortable that would be.
If you've never been to Cali before it's probably a good idea because Rigo is such a good guy. The apartments also seemed to be on the side of the house. A few times I didn't want to bring a girl home during the day because there are also some families staying at the Hotel. This isn't just some monger hotel. It's mainly a family type place. I hope that helps.
Can anyone give me some ideas about what to do for Apr 3-6? I am going to be in Colombia then (specifically Cartagena) but I can go elsewhere, like Cali.
Things are going to be BOOKED. Min rate from the ever trustworthy Juan Ventura, is about 200k IF he can find anything.
SO I might have to strike out for other places like Cali. But it will probably be totally dead no? Also thinking about a 3 day trip to San Andres island during that period with my favorite.
Saint, "cheveré" is an expression you will hear an awful lot in Venezuela as well. Ven and Colombia are probably the closest culturally of most of South American countries, and it makes sense given the history/geography of the region. A lot of the slang expressions are similar too though there are differences and Colombians generally speak better and clearer Spanish.
"cheveré" is an expression of positive affirmation/agreement, of something being agreeable, good, cool, etc.
Que cheveré - how great!
cheveré! - cool!
it's also used very often to answer question like "how are you"
bien cheveré
how was the event, party, movie, gathering, etc etc?
bien, bien cheveré
I believe you get the drift.
I don't believe I have ever heard it in Cuba personally, but you could be right. Might have to check on that next time I get a chance to go the Isla.
The other countries that use the expression (though not as much) are countries in Central America (like Mexico)
Either way, it'll probably be understood almost anywhere in Latin America.
Also in Colombia, especially the younger crowd, use the word "Vacano (a)".
For example, "Esa chica es muy vacana!"
I've used the word in Venezuela but just to get a chuckle from the Venezolanas.
Thanks Catire. Yeah, it's pretty easy to figure out after you hear it the first dozen or so times. I thought it was cute. I agree with you. The Spanish in Colombia is crisper and clearer. The other thing I noticed is these Calenas really love chatting and talking. I'm not sure if the local guys don't give them attention or only trying to get in their pants but I found when I walked around in the malls or was at dinner. The girls would want to stay there for hours and hours just talking.
Most guys probably will stick to other places that are easier to navigate in. As mentioned, it's not the place to go if (a) you've never traveled in South America before; (b) you speak no Spanish; (c) you are only interested in the hobby scene.
Ricker correctly pointed out that the reason I had such success is because I could communicate and I've been to South America so many times. I think that was the reason it was such a successful trip.
Good luck.
I have to say also ... I spend a lot of time in both Venezuela and Colombia and without a doubt, it's much easier to understand the Colombians' spanish.
I am finally getting an ear for the Venezuelan "accent". I've been hanging out a lot in Maracaibo with a chica I met recently.
The nicest spanish I enjoy listening to is from the Paisas of Medellin though ... almost sounds as though they're singing as they talk. Plus my girlfriend there calls me "Papi" ... I absolutely love that.
I haven't been to Cali for months now ... it's hard to leave Medellin but I'm making a trip thru there toward's the end of this month ... gotta catch up with a chica I met and do some exploring.
Suerte.
Ricker, to talk about young girls in Venezuela
try "carajita".
The maracucho accent is slightly different than the caraqueno but close enough. They probably don't drop their s's or just aspirate them the way they do in Caracas (and Havana/Cuba where they drop it altogether)
Catire, thanks, you're right.
My friend, the Maracucha, when she speaks it sounds like this for example ... "cuando estas en Maracaibo, bucame" ... instead of "buscame" ... maybe she pronounces the 's' slightly ... anyway, it sounds kind of sexy to me.
Ricker and Catire, thanks for the good posts about language in Colombia : i currently have a (GF) who's from Santo Domingo and who speaks only spanish (i don't know only one word, but being French maybe help) : she perfectly understand the general meaning of my conversations when i speak portugese (i speak fluently from countless trips in Brasil), and i quite understand her when she speaks spanish: do you think it could be the same in Cali/Medellin ?
Thanks guys for the tips ;
Cheers
Pro ... I have lots of Brazillian friends in Miami and they understand me when I speak spanish to them ... the languages are similar.
It should be the same for a chica from Colombia as it is for your Dominican chica ... they'll get the general idea of what you're saying. I can't think of why it would be different for a Colombiana vs. a Dominicana.
If you speak fluent Portuguese, learning spanish should be a breeze ... I don't bother learning portuguese because I don't do Brazil enough and they pretty much understand spanish anyway ... I would rather just get better and better at spanish.
Suerte.
Ricker thanks, definitively Cali and Medellin are on my 'to do soon' list, thanks to all the posters of those Colombia threads.
Cheers
Spanish and Portuguese are very similar but Portuguese is a lot tougher. The pronunciation is more difficult. Still, most Brasilians can understand enough Spanish. My Portuguese sucks now that I haven't been to Brazil in months. I did the 90 Pimsleur Portuguese lessons and I took a weekend Portuguese class but Spanish is still a lot easier.
Ricker,
I want to hit Medellin. Everyone says the girls there are beautiful, the people are friendly and the city is beautiful. My non-pro novia emailed me today. She wants me to go to Cartegena with her and her mom next month for her vacation. I doubt I can make it though. I'll be in Peru.
Whats up fellas. Well the time is almost here. I will be in Cali Tuesday, March 16th at 5pm. Any last words of advice? I have read ALL thrity something pages of the Cali reports and taken notes on locations, prices, etc. So if anyone has any last minutes numbers, locations, connections or anything of the sort it will be well appreciated. And lastly if anyone wants to meet up while I am there send me a PM. Wish me luck, im off to practice some spanish!
... ahhhh yes, Medellin ... I absolutely love it there! It's a great place for all the things you mentioned, Saint. Luckily I guess, it's not really a haven for PFP (keeps out the rif-raf) ... Cali is much better as well as Cartagena.
Medellin is a city more geared for someone who has traveled, speaks better than just 100 words of spanish and enjoys people and music and culture. PFP is definitely available just not even close to the degree of Cali or Cartegena.
I have visited and practically lived in Colombia for the past, almost 3 years from Barranquilla, Cartegena to Bogota (not much time here) to Cali and finally Medellin ...
Like with your experiences in Cali ... people all over Colombia are very friendly ... especially if you can communicate with them in their language and sort of bond with them a bit.
Medellin is like the "south" in the USA ... sort of that "in the country" feel to it ... people are very friendly.
When people in the states think I'm nuts and ask me why I'm settling in Colombia, I try to explain to them the culture and yes, about the senoritas ... most people just don't get it, especially the gringas, they ever will. It has to be experienced.
When you make a friend in Colombia, he becomes your brother ... When you finally find a true novia / esposa Colombiana like my Paisa in Medellin, all I can say is ... you'll know what it feels like to be King and to be loved.
Sorry to ramble on here ... I just got on a roll. Lastly I want to say, I also travel quite a bit in Venezuela and I have to say that these Venezuelans too are very friendly and of course the women are beautiful and loving ... for some reason though, Colombia keeps me running back ... maybe it's my Paisa in Medellin calling me "papi lindo".
We'll see you soon ... Suerte!
Saint ... by the way ... I'm taking a few American buddies of mine to Cartagena next month ... they want to see why I always rave about "las Colombianas". I guess they'll find out.
Free Sex,
Have fun for me in Cali. The only advice I can give you is to take time and do other things. Don't just focus on the sex aspect of Colombia. The best part of Cali is the people. Even if you can't speak Spanish, hire that guide I listed in one of my last posts. (Felix: Celular (315) 573-4849 or home 325-0302). He speaks perfect English and seemed like a good guy. He also said he doesn't screw around on his wife which in Cali is saying A TON!!
Don't just stay in your hotel room. Go out and explore the city. I had very little down time which was the opposite of what a lot of guys that went to Cali told me. Go to Chipichape and Unicentro malls. Go up to Cristo Rey. Have Felix take you around the city a bit. Go and get a legit massage, manicure, pedicure, etc. at one of the dozens of Esteticas around town. Go eat at different restaurants around the city. Go to Avenidta Sexta and have a drink at night. Walk around if you feel comfortable. Go have a beer at Reggae Pop at night.
Most importantly, respect the locals and the way they do things. Also, respect yourself and don't do anything that would cause future Americans that visit Cali to be ashamed of you. I didn't post my diary/report to get a bunch of degenerate types in Cali but to share my experience of a wonderful city full of wonderful people. In fact, I think many of the degenerate type of gringos that hung out at the "Gringo Gulch" in CR wouldn't last a day here. I also don't think they would find it easy or fun.
In the end, I believe in the goodness of people. I think that if you follow that advice above you will have a good time.
Regarding the hobby. Go to a number of different places. Don't be afraid to ask the taxi or Felix which ones to go to. If you don't see any hot girls just leave. Don't feel locked into anything. Felix also told me he knows some private girls that don't work in clubs. That might be a good option for some of you. Regardless of what some people say about Flores Frescas it clearly has the hottest girls, IMHO. Check it out.
If you feel adventurous have Felix take you up to Kilometer Dieciocho (18). Better yet, if you meet a nice girl take her up there and eat up there. It's romantic and there are great views of the Andes Mountains.
Cali isn't a city you go to juts for sex. As I pointed out there are too many cities in the world that are easier and safer. Have fun and let us know how you are doing if you have time.
Best of luck.
Saint
P.S. Ricker, you're a lucky guy to live there. I hope to make some kind of move in the next few years. Right now though I have the best of both worlds. I want to see the world and I can't do that working outside of the USA. Thanks for all your information on South America.
FYI. Here is one of the sites that helped me decide to go to Cali:
http://www.caliescali.com/modelos_anteriores.php3
Also, does anyone know how to price out tickets on Avianca's website? I entered Cali to Lima and I found the flight options on the dates I want but it doesn't seem to give a price. Any advice is greatly appreciated.
I called Avianca's local number there in Cali. (011-572-6511-300) but no one answers. I keep holding for an operator and the phone just hangs up.
Also, does anyone have a good travel agent in Cali that won't gouge me on prices? Preferable that she/he speaks some English but probably not so no biggie. Please PM me if you know of someone. Thanks.
Saint
P.S. UPDATE. I managed to call Avianca's toll-free number in the USA. The lady answered was in Medellin but spoke perfect English. She said the rates are the same whether buying here or there. Not sure if that is true but we'll see. The phone number for those interested is 1-800-284-2622.
FYI. A round-trip ticket from Cali to Lima via Bogota is $399.34 with taxes included.
Saint and Company,
First off, thanks for the advice! I have gone with the guide Ramon to show me Cali for the first night. Lots of people talk about him so I firgure ill give him a shot for a night or so, he what he comes up with. As for seeing Cali and the people, that is main reason I am going. As all of you can tell by member name (free sex) I am not a huge hobby fan, I would rather meet a chic, take her out, get to know her (maybe), then do the do. I arrive in cali Tuesday at 5pm.
After I unpack, the first place I am going to go is the mall all of you are speaking of. Then from there I will go where the wind takes me. I will start the disco/hobby thing later that night. Hmm, now that I think about it. I may actually get a legit massage, THEN go to the mall (this is going to be fun). But anyhow, everyone look out for my reports. Oh Saint and company I have a question for you. As you know I am staying at the same hotel you stayed at. How do you think I should work the phone thing, does Rigo have a phone I can rent while I am there? If so how much is it? Should I just give chicas the hotel number? obviously I want to be accesible to everyone that I meet in Cali via phone(24 hours if possible), so what do you think the best/afforable way is to approach the phone situation?
Another question, does anyone know the best disco to hit Tuesday night for non or amateur pros? And lastly, I have an Avianca office down the street from me. In my travels tommorow I will get a price for you on Cali to Peru. I remember you saying you will be in Cali in about 2 weeks, so I will get prices from around that date. Alright, im off to study some spanish, again.
Saint,
How much are you paying for pussy in Cali? I will be going to Cartagena in May or April may do a side trip to Cali.
I have a buddy who just bought a condo for $30k in Cartagena, might be a great spot to sit awhile?
Free Sex,
Cool. I'll PM you about the dates. I appreciate you checking prices. Hopefully they charge the same as the office in Cali. Keep in mind I'm a Cali rookie. I'm only giving you my advice. I don't claim to know much about Cali so I can only give you my opinions.
One thing I will point out is these hotties aren't just going to spread their legs and have sex because you're an American. Most of the super hotties that I met seem to be kind of shy and innocent. We assume every hottie just has tons of sex but that didn't seem to be the case in Cali. Remember that most young girls live at home with their parents under their watchful eye.
It takes time to cultivate a relationship especially if you are looking for sex. I'm not sure how long you are there for but go in it with realistic expectations. I think you're better shot might be to hook up with a pro and hopefully click with her. I'm not sure. I spent a lot of time with one of the pros I met but stopped once I clicked with my non-pro girlfriend.
As far as the hotel I stayed at. Make sure you go back a few reports and read the downsides. I think it's important to know everything going into a trip. I listed the negatives but I'd still happily recommend it to someone going to Cali their first trip. Rigo is a great guy. Ask him to use a cell phone for free. You can buy credits at the supermarket near the hotel or at any of the Bellsouth stands in the malls. Just tell the supermarket, "necesito comprar créditos para mi celluar. - Bellsouth". Or "necesito recargar mis créditos para mi cellular". One of the guys that is fluent can maybe give you a better way to ask. It was fine for me.
They come in 20,000 and higher credits. I'd recommend starting off with 20,000 pesos. You can easily buy more. I gave instructions on how to refill it on one of the reports. It's easy.
You should also keep in mind that the odds of a chica calling your cellphone is slim. Better to ask for their number. It's quite expensive for them to call your cell phone. Many girls did call my cell phone but some of them would call and let it ring then hang up but the phones all have caller ID so you can see who called. It's best to store their number in memory so you can see the name when they call. That way if you're already with a chica you can save yourself an embarrasing situation when another is calling. I learned that lesson a while back in Buenos Aires when I'd have girls calling all the time. If the girl asks why you're not answering it just tell her it's your friend and you don't want to talk to him now.
I'm not sure your level of Spanish but it needs to be pretty decent to crack the non-pro scene. The hotties will get bored quickly if you can't make them laugh, communicate and generally just converse with them. I'm not saying it's impossible but more of possible just not probable.
The malls don't really get hopping until night. The weeknights aren't nearly as busy as Friday and Saturday nights. I did go some afternoons and I saw some girls going there after they got off work. If you see someone you want to talk to get creative and think of a way to talk to her. Many times asking directions is the best way. Right off the bat they will know you are a foreigner and I found they were quick to want to help.
Many girls are often with their friends or boyfriends that I noticed. I didn't hit the normal clubs too much as I was busy on dates and stuff. Bring lots of nice blue jeans as they are what most of the local youth wears. I found they dress more casual at night then most cities I've been to in South America. In Buenos Aires people tend to dress up. Not the case here.
I can't emphasize enough not to expect to just score with the hottie non-pros immediately. As mentioned, many seemed like "nice girls". Like I said...there is a reason they are slaving away working 6-7 days a week for the amount some of these girls in the clubs are making in a few nights.
Good luck and let us know how it goes.
Saint
P.S. I'm not saying Ramon isn't a nice guy because as I stated in my report I met him and he seemed friendly and nice. However, I will honestly say that one of the dudes that goes down there told me that Ramon tried to constantly mooch and try to get him to buy him things. Also, as I said...the info he gave me about the other clubs was TOTALLY false and untrue. I went to the other clubs he told me were "equally as good as Flores Frescas". That wasn't even close to the truth. The other clubs sucked so I'm not sure if he gets some commission to go there.
I don't like being around BS'ers. I'm not saying Ramon is a bad guy. I just think he exxagerates the truth a little. I found that other guy, Felix to be honest and ethical. They charge around the same price. Use your best judgement.
Saint, thanks for the link (caliescali): i wish i could pack my bags today (unfortunatly i can't ...) ; pics are awesome, even if (please see no offense) IMHO those kind of girls can't be find, unless a miracle, for a two or three weeks visitor ; anyway it's still the dreams that make the world goes round, no ? :)
Cheers
Pro,
You're definitely right. You CAN't expect all those model type girls to be walking around. It was merely to show you that those girls are all from Cali. Most of the model hot girls need lots of time to discover and cultivate relationships. Often times guys think just because a girl is poor or in a tough situation that changes things. In all reality it doesn't. Girls are girls. No matter their profession, education, background. Relationships take time to develop. Good luck and safe travels.
Hi Saint,
This is El Cubanito from the Cuba section of this board. I have been reading your post and after reading your post I might be interested in going to Cali before or after I leave Cuba if I can can hook up with you I am flexible with this. Let me know if this is ok with you. You can PM me. I am set to leave to Cuba on March 31 and stay until april 12. I would like to go to Cali for 5 days. I know this problably will not get me enough time to meet a nice girl, but it will give me time to meet somebody down in there. Let me know if anything can be done, if not I will go down by myself.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito,
You are fluent in Spanish so you have that extra advantage. I've read your reports and you sound like you have some "game" so I think you'd really like it. The girls are super sweet there. Yes, 5 days is very tough to crack non-pro scene but you can meet up with non-pros and then also visit the casas and nightlife to ease your stress.
I was going to go back to Cali after my French Riviera trip this week but I'm going to fly in my girl to Peru instead for my Machu Picchu trip next month. I guess I won't be hobbying in Peru. No biggie.
5 days is plenty of time to have fun in Cali. Have fun and let us know how it goes. You'll be perfectly fine going alone. The key is speaking Spanish which you already have mastered. Good luck.
Hey Fellas,
Saint, I have that information for you, Check your PMīs. You keep on saying that you cannot say it enough but its not that easy to score with the none pros. I COMPLETELY understand. The situation is somewhat similar here in Panama City. Just because you are from the states DOES NOT mean it will happen the first night. All you can do it try. About Ramon, lord knows by NO means am I locked into a contract with him, lol. I will give him a shot, see what he comes up, then I may call your guy. I really dont want or need a guide considering I have tons of information from this board. Well see what happens. Ok, so everyone get ready for him reports and pics, I will give my 2 cents about Cali starting the second I touch down. Oh, and once again, if anyone is reading this and is in cali now, or will be for the next week. Send me a PM, I will be there tommorow March 16. Alright fellas. Wish me luck, see you when I get there.
After reading on the Colombia boards, I am finally going to take the plunge! Want to know a few things, how easy is it getting to the city from the airport. Is it fairly safe to walk around? What hotels are girl friendly and have safes, etc. etc.
I am from Puerto Rico so Spanish is not a problem getting around but there only for this weekend so have to make the most of it!
Hysteromania,
Perhaps guys like Antifreeze can give you better information. I know that he was extremely busy these days working and traveling so he might not be reading but I'd say he is probably the best source for info. To answer your questions, it's very easy to get from the airport to the city. It's about a 25 minute taxi ride. I had it prearranged to have a driver. It might be $2 more or so but it was good peace of mind. There are TONS of taxi's though so no worries. I think I paid something like $18 to get from the airport to my hotel.
As far as the hotels that are girl friendly. I stayed in a hostel instead of a big hotel because I heard the hotels could be a hassle sometimes but I honestly don't think that's the case. A few guys that I was emailing told me that and I think they were just saying that so I'd stay in their casas. Since you are fluent and will have no problems getting around the city you might want to check out the Intercontinental at around $75 a night or the Dann Carlton next door to it. Both looked like nice hotels. Some other guys listed other alternatives so don't be lazy and go read back. Lots of good information out there. Guys take the time to post and help others out so the least people can do is take time to go back and read.
If you are from Puerto Rico you probably look Hispanic. You'll blend in well. I stuck out like a sore thumb and had NO problems the 10 nights that I was there. I walked around even at night and had no problems. Use your best judgement if you should or not. I tend to be the adventurous type.
For me, part of the fun of a new city is going out exploring, talking to the locals and seeing the entire city. I can't stay in my hotel room and only hit the clubs. Not my style. Good luck.
Hysteromania:
It is misleading that the Intercontinental does not allow ladies! I always stay there and have had NO problem whatsoever bringing in company. They may ask for and ID from the ladies, but that is only for your security.
Listen to what everybody writes here. Go to Chipichape. Go to Unicentro. Go to Avenida Sexta. Mix and mingle. You will definitely have fun.
David
Saint, the normal girl cellphone phenomenon you refer to is called "pinging".
It's not quite true the girl won't call your cellphone. She will if she genuinely likes you (or has something to gain from the relationship) but it's true that her financed will determine whether she will actually speak with you on the phone for a long time.
The reasons for this are straightforward. Cellular rates in South America are far more expensive than say if you called on a landline, and if you call a cellphone, that is much more expensive than calling a landline. Therefore, most people, especially those on a budget, tend to keep their cell phone talking to a minumum though of course some will yak and yak and just can't help themselves (then all of a suddent their prepaid tarjeta is out of credits)
Text messaging is very popular among cellphone users. And it's a lot cheaper than calling.
for economic and perhaps somewhat cultural/macho reasons, the girl will often "ping you", meaning call let it ring once or twice and then stop the call. On your cellphone you will see the number trying to call you or that tried to call you - and then you can call her back and talk. In any event, it's certainly a clear indication of interest and the fact she does indeed want to talk.
I am an avowed cell phone hater in general but they're a must in Latin America if you're staying there for any length of time.
Catire,
Yep. I totally got that in Cali. I didn't mean to imply a girl wouldn't call your cellphone. I only meant to be aware it's not cheap for them. I had several girls calling my cellphone. Most of the time I was already with someone though so I didn't answer anyway. I couldn't figure out my voicemail so I couldn't even retrieve them.
A few times I would call the chicas back and I ran out of credits and they were nice enough to call me back on their dime. Ha, ha. I didn't mind being "pinged" though. As you mention...I was happy they wanted to talk.
As mentioned, the only thing that sucks with the club girls and the girls from the casas like Kaliente is they have to work everyday except Sunday and on Sunday they spend most of it with their family. One Sunday when I did go out on a date with a FF girl she brought her kid with her!
I don't hate cell phones. In fact, I make it a point to try to rent a phone or preferably buy a SIM card. I like having the same number when I go to Rio. In Europe I just use my GSM phone from the USA. It's not that cheap but super convenient. You gotta be available to talk to these chicas and the cell phone is the easiest way.
P.S. For any of the Colombia pros like Antifreeze, Ricker, et. al..... Do you know if I'm being quoted the right taxes for leaving Colombia? I talked to a travel agent and she is telling me the prices below:
>-Impuesto visita PERU : U$ 13
>- Impuesto salida Colombia : U$ 47
>- Impuesto Salida Peru : U$ 23
The taxes for leaving Colombia seem awefully high. I think I only paid $25. Why would a Colombiano have to pay almost double? It's not going to be cheap but I'm flying my girl and her brother to Peru to go to Machu Picchu with me next month. Should be fun.
Hey guys can anybody tell me whats the rate at the DANN CARLTON hotel, usually when I travel to cali I stay at the inter or if I go for more than two weeks I stay at the aparthotel rayda but I think I want to upgrade. I really enjoy that area, in general its the safest area in town.
This is a report related to safety in Cali, Colombia.
Saint:
I do not mean to flame, but stating that:
"I can honestly tell you to ignore the warnings. Cali is a very safe city as long as you don't stray outside of the city."
Is not only erroneous - it is simply downright irresponsible.
The experience of a few days as a tourist is simply not illustrative of any city's level of relative safety.
I have been living in this city for five years now, and I can tell you, it is NOT a "very safe city" by ANY objective standard.
Right before I came down here, one of my cousins (Mr. Hugo Antonio Castaņo R.I.P) was found dead right outside of town. He had been kidnapped, tortured, and murdered. Since I have been down here, a friend of mine (Mr. John Fernando Palomino Montoya R.I.P) was shot in the head five times at point-blank range.
The national and local governments just had a special security council intended to address the incredibly high murder rate. This is a city of over two million, and there have been well over 400 murders so far this year.
This is not someone posting opinions on the Internet. It's all over the news!
Check this out:
http://www.citypopulation.de/Colombia.html#Stadt_gross (population figures for Cali as of the middle of last year)
http://elpais-cali.terra.com.co/paisonline/notas/Marzo092004/A409N4.html (an article from a local newspaper)
I just checked the links - they work. Yes, the article is in Spanish. It's an online article from our local newspaper dated March 9, 2004, which outlines the state of affairs in this city.
434 murders this year, as of the time when the article was published. Yeah.
NOT "a very safe city" at all.
Now, is this city the equivalent of Beirut in the 1980's? No.
Bosnia in the early 1990's? No.
But is it a safe city?
NO!
Am I saying stay away? No, HOWEVER, everyone needs to know and understand that the city of Cali, Republic of Colombia, is not - as is evidenced by the above cited info - repeat not, a "very safe city".
Come down at your own risk. Be careful. Use your head. But then again, using common sense and knowing a few things about this city is no guarantee at all that you will be safe, it won't even make a difference in many, many situations. This is what I have always said to people when asked about the level of relative safety in this town.
No amount of flaming or endless conjecture will negate the facts I have stated.
Be safe y'all.
Okay, got a reservation to arrive Saturday night and will probably play it safe at first and stay at Intercontinental. Then if I meet a nice chica I can invite her over on Sunday for a leisure day at the outdoor pool for lunch. :)
Saint, I researched some of the past pages but could not find much in relation to prices (only saw Flores Frescas for 3 hours) or how much the Hotel Cali is for example. How about apartment rentals? Would be nice to have a little party on my last night there. Also, I am fluent in Spanish because of my background but don't look hispanic, just a white boy from Miami.
Is there like a particular area where all the clubs are like in Manila or Buenos Aires or is it casas spread out around the city? What are video bars and are they only in Bogota? How does the mall scene work, is it cherry picking like Ayala Mall in Cebu where girls are looking for you while you are out looking for them.
Also, is it true the departure tax is that high, $47!!! Then again, I may fall in love and never want to leave, possibly......
Saint ... regarding the departure tax ...
You talked about before how you went to this office in the airport upstairs prior to getting your boarding pass ... in this office they gave you what is called an 'exemption' of tax because you are a tourist.
Your departure tax cost about $25-28 ... your novia and her brother will most likely have to pay full price ... unless maybe you can BS your way for an exemption for them too because they're with you ... probably not but you never know.
Suerte.
Hysteromania,
In regards to prices, I thought I listed all that stuff. Most of the girls at FF seemed to all throw out the same price. 150,000 pesos ($56) for 1-2 hours or so plus you have to pay an exit fee of 70,000 pesos ($26) to pull them out of there. You can opt to see them in the club but I usually never do this. I don't like the dirty rooms at places and I prefer the atmosphere of my room. I usually go out and buy a TON of candles. The first thing I do when they get in my room is light all the candles, turn on music and give them a brand new toothbrush and sometimes I bring extra first class amentity kits that I get on American Airlines.
Right away it sets the mood and makes things really smooth and comfortable. It seperates the GFE session from the mediocre or rushed session. You are also signaling to the girl that you are attracted to her and you're treating her special. If you don't fly First/Business you can go out and make your own kit. Just go out and get a small little zippered kit and fill it with sample sized items like toothpaste, lotion, mouthwash, etc. I'm telling you I do this often and it works like a charm. The girls can't believe it! Definitely have music that you can play. You can bring a portable CD player or Ipod and bring external speakers. You MUST have music.
You might spend $10 or so on these kits but it's a great investment. Plus, it's a genuinely nice thing to do for them. It will distinguish yourself as a gentleman. (Of course if everyone does this I guess I won't be so special anymore...ha, ha).
*** Keep in mind that your experiences with FF girls might not mirror mine. I have pretty good luck. My buddy T.B.D. that is one of my best friends and has traveled with me some and met some of the escorts I ended up dating in the USA told me to emphasize in my reports that I have extremely good luck. It might not be as easy for some of you. I hope so though... ***
All the FF girls I saw were in NO hurry to leave. In fact, I was the one that told them they could leave in every instance. You set the perfect environment and they won't want to leave. Same thing goes for my apartment in BA. If they have the choice to spend the night in a crappy apartment that they share or a nice pad with lots of amenities they almost always will choose the latter.
The normal clubs are spread out throughout the city. Go back and do some research. Leo did a good job listing some of them in his report from last year. Take the time to go back and read. I didn't do the normal clubs because I was too busy.
The mall scene isn't what you think. These are just normal girls full of normal girls shopping, hanging out with their friends, eating and drinking. The girls aren't there to pick up guys. Remember there are virtually no tourists there so there are not really guys to pick up. These are for the most part sweet girls. Nope...no "cherry picking" going on. I'll emphasize unless you have some 'game' it's not going to be that easy.
Since you speak Spanish that will give you a big headstart. Don't be cheesy either. These girls are intelligent and can probably detect someone genuine from someone looking for a quick score.
As mentioned in my report, I paid no additional departure taxes by going upstairs and getting my passport stamped. The airline I believe already charged me $25 on my ticket and I paid no additional taxes. Good luck.
Hey Ricker,
Hola amigo. Nope. I won't be able to avoid paying their taxes. I'm meeting them in Lima so no biggie. I'll just give her some money for the taxes. I hope you're doing well. Hopefully we can hook up soon. I plan to head down there a few times depending on how things go with my novia. I also plan on coming down this summer and traveling to a few cities in Colombia. Let me know if you'll be around and want a running partner to go to a few cities. I have Medellin, Cartegena and Bogota on my list. Also, do you know anything about Armenia? Is it a really small town? Some of the hotties I met were from there. Thanks.
Mo714,
I definitely think I misspoke when I typed that. I think guys need to evaluate the risks and FACTS before coming to Cali or any other city in South America and especially Colombia. Obviously it's not as safe as other destinations. My only point was that it was NOTHING like the US State Department portrays things to be. They would have you believe that you are going to get kidnapped upon entering the hotel. That just isn't the case and if you live there you know what I'm talking about.
Sure Cali has crime. Sure it's dangerous. But I think you'd have to agree for the average tourist going down for a few days or weeks the danger isn't the same as someone living there day to day. I would venture to guess that most of your statistics are about locals. Still, thanks for posting that information.
It's good to have all sides of every story and all the facts when going somewhere. The other thing guys need to remember is if you have ANY doubts at all you shouldn't come. Part of the fun of vacations is to relax and have fun and not have to worry about anything. You can't quite do that if you feel like you have to look over your shoulder all the time.
Remember that bad things happen. You could get mugged, beaten or even killed in Cali. But you could get mugged, beaten or killed in Rio, Sao Paulo or even back in the USA. You could have been in the World Trade Center on 9/11 or on that train going to work in Madrid. There are no guarantees in life. Live life to your fullest. I won't feel guilty if something bad happens to you because you went to Cali. Only you can make the decision to travel and see the world.
Also, I don't consider that a flame at all. In fact, I think it's important for people to state their opinions. My posts are NO more important than anyone else's. We can all agree to disagree. As I stated many, many, many times. I'm only a guy with a few pesos in my pocket, that loves to travel, and I can sure type really fast. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Best of luck to all.
Saint ... just let me know when you're doing the Colombia tour and we'll figure something out.
Great idea about the little toiletries for the chicas ... I always bring a bunch of little boxes of chocolates you can buy in Walmart for about 75 cents/each ... the chicas love you for it.
Have fun in Peru with your novia ... I'm heading to Guatemala tomorrow for a couple days then off for a while to Colombia.
take care
About two years ago I made my first trip to Buenos Aires, Argentina. I fell in love with the city and the people there. It broke my heart to see so many people less fortunate than us. There are many children that don't have adequate clothing or food. Shortly after my first trip I had a goal of starting a non-profit foundation or charity to help out these people. I was surprised when Jackson (owner of WSG) was at my apartment in BA and told me that he was in the final stages of starting the same type of charity. I was amazed and touched that we had the same idea. There really was no need to redouble my efforts.
The news media likes to talk about a side of the hobby that the majority of us aren't a part of yet they don't talk about the other aspects. I'm not quite sure how much WSG Charities has raised over the past year but I'm proud to say that many guys have contributed. Some have made very generous donations of $1,000 or more. I think that's wonderful! There are so many guys that receive benefit from WSG. Directly and indirectly. I posted the following below and I would ask you to read it and make a contribution.
Maybe Jackson will decide to branch out and help feed the poor of other cities. I think Cali or other cities in Colombia or Brazil would be great too. After meeting Antifreeze I think maybe he would want to be part of something like this to help direct funds to those that need it. There is nothing better than helping someone less fortunate than yourself. Please give generously.
I know some of you will have the response, "yeah, I already donate to charities in the USA" or make up some other excuse. Many of us donate to charities in the USA as well but I'd ask that you consider helping out this cause.
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"Hi amigos. Some of you may be aware that Jackson has taken the time to start a charity to help feed the poor of Buenos Aires and the surrounding communities. It's ironic because we both had the same thought about trying to do something to help the poor of Buenos Aires. He was much further along and took a lot of time and effort to put it together. Several of you have emailed me over the past several months asking if I still had plans to start something like this. There is really no need to double my efforts as we have the same goal.
I am asking all of you that have received benefit from my posts in the past and all of you that have received benefit from WSG to make a donation. This probably includes just about everyone reading this forum. Even if you have no plans to visit Buenos Aires you have probably received an indirect benefit of living vicariously through members from this forum. I'm not asking you to contribute a huge amount although if you could that would be great. With the sheer number of guys that read this board all it would take is a small donation of $10, $15, $20, $25, or $50 a year to make a big impact. If you can afford it then donate a few times a year.
I'm sure many of you could care less about the poor of Buenos Aires. If that is how you feel than so be it. I strongly feel that everyone can afford to contribute AT LEAST $10 or $15 to this cause. Several of us at the Thanksgiving Dinner last year contributed money to help with this cause. I hope that in the next few months I see more and more people with a designation under their handle that says they have donated. I didn't even know Jackson was doing that but it's probably a good idea. I would personally feel offended if I'm down there and out hobbying with some of you and you didn't contribute at least a little to this charity.
I feel like I've taken time to contribute through my posts and I've never asked any of you for anything. This is the first time and I hope you can find it in your heart to help out. You can make a donation with Paypal.com and that is probably the quick and easiest way. (To make it easy for him you might want to include your handle with your paypal.com donation). Please keep in mind that this is Jackson's project and he is the one that took the time to put it together. I know he probably didn't want to solicit donations and he never asked me to. I'm asking on my own behalf. Thanks in advance for your generosity!"
Saint
www.wsgcharities.com
Saint and/or Jackson,
Is there a way to donate money anonymously (w.r.t. our real names) yet to still attach our WSG handle to the donation? There may be many people who would donate if they were confident that it could not be used as a way to link up a WSG handle to a person's true name.
Thanks,
DfB
Dick for Brains,
Yes. You can send in cash to the address listed on that page or a Money Order. Send it to:
WSG Charities, Inc.
Post Office Box 899
Dover, Delaware 19901
Also, with paypal.com a little known fact is that you can actually change your personal account to a "Premium or Business account". You can change your personal account so that instead of your name. Anytime you send money it will say that the money was sent by "Dick for Brains" instead of your actual name.
Also, you can sign up for more than one Paypal.com account. As long as you have more than one bank account. I have 5 Paypal accounts. Yes, you heard that right. Another cool thing is you can get an ATM card for yourself and another 2nd ATM card. I have regularly done this for people that I have "sponsored". It's an easy way for you to send them money without paying huge Western Union fees. They only charge $1 for every withdrawal. I've been able to use Paypal ATM in every country I've visited except of course Cuba.
I've never given this 2nd ATM card to a pro-girl. Usually in my adventures I meet some nice girl that is studying or working a ton and can't get ahead. I have sort of a scholarship program where I either pay for her education or tell her I'll give her $X for X # of months. The cool thing is the card has her name on it. It's a Mastercard too so they can charge things. You can keep track of the expenses online. I make it clear they are to use it for the important things they need and not to go over their limit each month. You can control how much you put in anyway but I've never had a girl try to take out or spend more.
Just something to think about. I'm sure some of you have novias or amigas and this is a quick and easy way to send her money each month.
Good luck.
Saint, you gotta hook me with names of these girls from kaliente. PM me! I will check it out on my own too, but always good to know a name when you visit a new place. Good call on the toiletries and chocolate. I generally buy perfume as a gift for someone special and then get a cosmetic kit with little samples as free gift. Girls just eat this stuff up as they are generally big name stuff like Chanel, Gucci, etc and have enough samples to spread around.
Along with regalos, you can really score some points and the digital camera is imperative. She is impressed that the pic is viewed right there and then but even more so when you come back for round 2 and show her pictures of you and her together (clothed, mind you!). This blew some of my girls away and when I visited one casa in Manila, girl I picked already knew me because her best friend mailed her my picture. Was treated like a regular even though it was my first night at that casa. Needless to say, she wanted pictures of us together for her friend or to show off and make the other girls jealous, who knows.
Arriving late on Saturday night so may hit discos to try my luck and then hit a place like FF after I collect enough #s. Then Sunday begin calling and inviting to lunch or pool and see what happens. Thinking Sunday is best day for shopping for new shoes and maybe shirt or two and good excuse to strike up conversations with girls passing by or even store clerks.
I don't what it is about these women, which I assume are sweet and precious like many filipinas outside of Manila or AC, but sex is always better when there are intense feelings involved. Maybe I am romantic or sappy, who knows. I just know passion is intoxicating and invigorating, soothing and sensuous, yet mysterious and magical. After a session with a cute bunny, I feel a great charge like anything in the world is possible. That is how we get our head cluttered with thoughts like I could move here, teach English or work in a hotel, etc. But then reality kicks in and the relationship generally fades along with the suntan.
I wish I were rich, then I would be setting up a scholarship fund for those I thought genuinely deserved it!
Hey Hysteromania,
I'll email you those names. You're totally right in what you posted. You can always help in small ways. You don't have to be wealthy. I'm not a wealthy guy.
People will always find ways to make excuses or criticize others. Guys tell me I'm wasting my money, being a sap, whatever. There is a guy that works a normal job in the Midwest. He doesn't make a ton of money but every year before Christmas he goes to NYC and gives out money. Sometimes $20 bills...sometimes $50 and sometimes $100. He gives to those he thinks needs help.
Growing up my parents gave 10% of their GROSS income to the Catholic church. Personally I'd rather give that money to those that really need it instead of funding legal funds for some of those sicko priests. Help however you can. Even if it's just a little.
Good luck.
Saint,
"Growing up my parents gave 10% of their GROSS income to the Catholic church. Personally I'd rather give that money to those that really need it instead of funding legal funds for some of those sicko priests. Help however you can."
Remember, everything you give makes the recipient more dependent. Teach a person to fish and he will never be hungry.
I'd rather support poor working girls by helping them be productive. By training them to be good sex workers we are really helping the poor more than by gifts with nothing required. Moreover we are helping them learn to be a good fuck in the bedroom with their future husband.
Thanks npaul,
That has to rank as one of the most idiotic statements I have ever heard in my life. Unfortunately it's what I've come to expect from a significant percentage of [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] here and elsewhere. It's almost sure to be quoted in the next article about sexual tourism by the mainstream media which quotes things off this site all the time (I have recently seen two, a Canadian expose on Costa Rica and a write up on Nuevo Laredo's Boys Town.
Thanks for making everyone here akin to a clueless selfish loser.
If you're serious about helping and supporting a working girl, then support her efforts at education or getting herself a job in the normal workplace. Some girls have no interest in this, not when they're attractive and making big bucks compared to an office job and when they have multiple dufi sending her money from overseas. However, some girls do have an interest in this - and if you are truly interested in a girl for whatever reason, you should perhaps have her think about the future beyond her prime hoing years, when the overseas boyfriends will find new girls to send money to and certified sex trainers such as yourself will find new meat to fuck.
That's how you "help" if you're really interested in being helpful. She'll remember your heart a lot more fondly than your dick. Otherwise, just pay her the going rate, be generous in tipping if merited, but please just [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] .
It's beyond insulting.
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NPaul,
I TOTALLY agree with Catire. It's guys like you that make me sad to be part of WSG. Fortunately there are many good guys. As I mentioned, I never give working girls this money. I give it to normal girls I find working hard to learn English or in school to better their lives. I give it to them so they don't have to worry about dropping out of school because they are spending a large percentage of their income on school.
By learning English they will improve their lives. Anyway, I'm in Nice, France now and having the time of my life. Damn, these French know how to live it up.
Good luck all.
If Sunday is your first day there, and you're looking to collect numbers of non-pros for dates (and you have some game and can speak the language), then Tienda Vieja is a must (Sundays only)! Arrive by 6p to avoid a line (unless things have changed since last summer).
This sucks, have to work this week so had to cancel trip. Would've been nice. Now I know so much about the city and how to get around, where to go, etc., it will feel like I've been there before. Hope to post a report later this spring.
Thanks, Saint and Catire, I totally agree with you guys that it is better to help the poor SW than to give money to the catholic legal defense fund to help some sicko pervert pork some young boy anally in the name of Christianity. Alot of the young girls who become involved in the sex industry are just trying to make ends meet and you are doing their families a favor by helping them be productive in some small way for the night. Its better than supporting priest'o'porkings.
Does WSG have a zero tolerance policy against depraved and intellectually insulting statements that suggest that fucking a prostitute is making her socially "productive", training her to be a good sex worker and helping them to be a good fuck in the bedroom for her future husband ? (all direct quotes/statements)
And if not, why not?
If the sky is blue, it's blue. If someone is better off shutting the xxxx up, then he should be told to shut the xxxx up.
If I post here only to be associated with those who voice opinions such as the one posted above, which make me vomit and I vociferously disagree with, while my posts are censored/deleted while the original one stands.
Then, maybe it's best that I NOT be associated with all the [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue].
Npaul I hate organized religion as much if not more so than anyone else but I can rest assure you that "we" are not in agreement on anything!
Adios!
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Catire, Saint,
Sex work is just another job - these girls are neither better or worse than other women. Of course to me they're 100 times more interesting than the rest, but I make no value judgements.
Personally if I were a woman in South America or Southeast Asia I would much rather be a sex worker than work in some sweatshop or even an office. Its actually a great job.
You need to get over your old fashioned virgin/***** mentality. What good is a virgin? What's wrong with a *****? And what business is it of yours what they do?
There is nothing wrong with any voluntary exchange of money for services between two parties - capitalism is always mutually beneficial.
then, maybe it's best that I NOT be associated with all the "wonderful people here"
Catire: I couldn't agree more with your statement! Even if you don't sign off for good, I have a sneaking suspicion that your days as a member on WSG are numbered. What a shame that'll be! I guess it will mean you'll no longer be able to do what you do best: whine, threaten, swear, smear, and hate!
Adios!
Well, I have been back in Panama City for a full day now from Cali. I dont even want to SEE a chic for at least a week, thats how much fun I had. Anyhow, just letting everyone know the report is on the way!
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opebo.
I don't disagree with almost everything you say, though I'm not sure I'd say it's a "great job". It's surely better than most alternatives, I'd agree, but ultimately that's a decision left to the girl. I think she can decide what is best for her, rather than you, or npaul or anyone else. Don't you find it strange, given how much superior this job should be, that most poor girls in most countries don't choose to indulge in it?
I also have nothing against (the opposite of virgin) and what they do.
If I did, I wouldn't cavort with them on occasion as I do.
but I don't make assinine and condescending statements like - hey honey, I'm training you to be a good fuck for your future husband and training you to be economically productive within our society.
while patting myself on my back for being responsible for so much "good" being done
(sarcasm)
I either shut up or talk about other, hopefully more pleasant things.
But I don't belittle her.
as to Gpiper,
Whining is an adjective for which you are ideally suited for.
I don't think it's applicable to me, however.
Swearing? yes. Whining? I leave that to you.
And, I only belittle and dislike idiots.
you're not suggesting you're an idiot, are you?
Perhaps there is a zero tolerance policy for self incrimination as well. I'd recommend you take advantage of it.
Jackson,
Isn't there anything you can do to help out this thread?
Thanks.
DfB
Let's just all drop this nonsense. I guess it all got started by me asking you all to help out a good cause. Obviously that went wayyyy off track. Life is too short to fight with one another about trivial stuff. I just got back from the French Riviera and had a blast.
I think Jackson does a pretty good job of keeping these boards clean. It's amazing when I think about the fact that I think he does it all by himself. Think about it. There are NO moderators so he has the arduous task of monitoring EVERY single country.
People may complain about all the rules but it makes sense. This is a permanent archive and he doesn't want junk or non-sense to be a part of the posts.
It seems to me that people do a lot of complaining about WSG. They complain about the quality of posts, about being censored, yadda yadda yadda. Usually it's those people that have nothing to contribute and have the most to complain about.
If WSG doesn't make you happy, if you derive nothing out of it except for complaining, if it makes you upset. There is a really easy solution. Just STOP reading it. It's comical to me that the biggest critics of WSG seem to be the people that follow it the most.
Move on. Life is good.
Saint
Saint: I agree with you concerning Jackson. I think he does a great job and is quite fair. I do think may have at least 1 guy to help him out though: the honorable ******* on some of the DR boards. BTW, I'm a member of a few other forums and groups, but none can compare to WSG! It is the BEST!
I guess this board is for information, there is no need to spend too much time for all the non-sense stuffs, we are all adults here and we know what we should say and what not, however, sometime we say things we shouldn't. I am sure most of us going on this board is to share or look for info rather than giving people a lesson. This is one of the best boards around and it's free. Please lets keep this board clean and sharing great info once again as usual.
Let me starting by a review of my trip to Cartagena and Bogota couple years back. I know it's outdated but I just wanted to stress a point of how nice and friendly the people are in Colombia and how easy to make a date with the Colombianas.
English is not my first language so please pardon my writting skill. I was in Cartagena for about a week and my favourite spot was not any casa but eveywhere in town. I have visited casa Monuica, club international, cost was about $60,000 peso for the girl and $40000 for the house for 30 minutes. Each night there were about 15 girls around and 4-5 I would rate 7 and 1-2 I will give a 9. You can easily obtain phone # from these girls for the next day event or spending time at the beach, I did get some phone #s but never called beacuse I met girls from all over town.
Okay, you guys may ask where did I meet all these non-pros. I went to a casino at about 10:00pm one night and was talking to this woman on the table sitting next to me. She was 32 years old, I always like mature woman especially when she dressed so classy just like the office executive type, makes me honry. I communicated with her in her limited English and my limited Spanish. I spent about 20 minutes playing Poker and talking to her, I then asked her if she would be interested to go for a coffee and she immediately said yes. I was so excited and when we got on the Taxi, she invited me to her house and I said yes (it was a bit foolish of me, I might have been killed or something when I think about it now). I asked the taxi driver to stop at a gas station and got some refreshments and raincoats just in case she wants to get to know be better. When we arrived at her house, she woke her two daughters up and asked them to sleep in the next room, we had more talk and of cousre I had a wonderful GFE with her all night. She woke up the next morining at 6am to prepare breakfast for her two daughters and getting them ready for school, at about 7:30, she woke me up and to my surprise, she prepared me breakfast, I was shocked and appreciated very much. we spend few more hours at her house, looking at her albums and have more funs. We did exchange email address and she gave me her home phone # and a picture of her to keep. I realize she was hoping for a relationship with me but I didn't want to lead her on, so I only called her a couple of times afterward to say hi and let her know that I am not ready for a relationship with her. to be cont.......
part 2
I went to the beach bocagrande ( not sure spelling ) the next day to relax and get some sun, the beach was pretty quiet, often you will be bothered by the locals to ask you if you wanted to buy this or that, you can't really relax and enjoy a quiet moment. I did see some girls and they all looked tourists to me. I saw these two European girls passed by and one of them was really good looking, after about 30 minutes, one of the girls stopped by and asked me if I have a lighter, I said no and we chatted a bit and found out they are from Bogota and just down in cartagena for a week of vacation. I mentioned to her the other girl is very pretty and she asked if I'd like to meet her, it would be stupid to say no at that time. She wavied her over and introduced her to me, I spent some time with them on the beach and making out with the good looking one in the water. After an hour, I invited myself to her hostel, she did not object and we were in a taxi and her hotel room in less than 20 minutes. She was so honry and insisted me to go in without any protection. It was kind of tough but I managed to give her a DATY to satisfaction and received a BBBJ. Her friend came back to the hotel room after 2 hours with some fried chicken , we shared and no money mentioned at all.
The next day was my last day in Cartagena, it was a Saturday and I wanted to go to a local disco, I can't remember the name but I had a great time. I met this girl and her friends, we spent good time dancing, drinking and talking ( my limited Spanish ), to make the story short, at the end of the night, I didn't end up spending time with her but she promised me will meet me for breakfast the next morning before my flight to Bogota. She did show up at the mall I was advised to go and we had breakfast and some more talking with my limited Spanish. Too bad I had to leave after the breakfast for Bogota.
To be cont..........
Part 3
I finally arrived in Bogota for the last three days of my trip. It was a bit chilly in Bogota but the Colombianas still looking sexy. The first day I just hang around with the people staying at the hostel. They are good people but they were not looking for the thing I was looking for if you know what I mean. Most of them were with their girlfriend. So I was on my own the last two days.
The second day I was there I went to a mall in the zona rosa area, when I was outside the mall there was a girl approached me for direction. I answered with my limited Spanish and mentioned I do not live there and found out she was looking for a office building to drop off her resume. I told her I can keep her company and look for the place with her together, to make the story short again, we did spend some time at the mall shopping afteraward but both of us didn't buy anything. We then went to McDonald for some food and she had to go home on time otherwise her mom would kill her. She asked my hostel address and said she will look for me the next day. We kissed and said goodbye. I then went to a casino near by and play some roulette machine, I was talking to this girl works there as a coin change person, I can tell she likes me and I asked her for dinner after her shift. It was a nice time at the restaurant but I did not get to know her better, I didn't try as I thought she was a nice girl and didn't feel comfortable to move forward with her so soon. We kissed and said goodbye. I then went to another casino to play more roulette machince, you can tell I like this game a lot. I always look for opportunity or excuse to talk to local girls. I was in the casino for about 10 minutes and was already talking to this waitress passing by a few times for drinks, it just like in the States, as long as you gamble either at the table or at the machine, you will get a free drink. I invitied her for a drink after her shift at midnight. We went to zona rosa and spent about an hour before the bar closed at 1 am. Yes, all the bars closed early in Bogota. I didn't get to know her better as again I didn't ask because she was a good girl and once again i didn't feel corfortable to ask so soon.
I then took a taxi and went to one of the clubs but they were just about closing, a waiter working at the club still in his unitform told me that he knows a place still open near by, we walked for about 3 minutes and it was a house, you definitely need local people to show you places like this as we can't tell from outside of the house. We went in and I was lead to a room, there were about 15 girls came by one after one to introduce themselves, mostly 5-7, but one 8, of course I picked the 8. She sat down and I starting to negotiate with my limited Spanish skill, I was able to manage for a total cost of $10000 peso for her and exit fee for the night. We did have good time at my hostel and sent her home at 7 am.
I went back to sleep and I got a knock at the door at about noon, it was the guy working at the hostel told me that there is a girl looking for me. It was the girl asked me for direction outside the mall the day before. She asked me if I would like to go for lunch, I took a quick shower and off we went to a restaurant near by, the cost was $6 for both of us. We talked a bit and was holding hands the whole time but she has to go home at 2:30pm since her mom is very strict, she told her mom she needs to drop off a resume again that's how she can sneak out for a bit. I spent few more hours by myself before heading to the airport for my flight home.
These girls are very nice, please treat them with respect. I am sure if you speak fluent Spanish, it will go a long way. But you don't, just try ( need to know very basic words ) and you will still be able to meet girls and make a date without problem like me.
Tica Man
Tica Man
Thank you for the report. It seems like you had a fun time.
Ferolga
FYI. I can recommend the following florist for GREAT roses if you want to send that special girl roses in Colombia.
[url]http://latiendadelasrosas.com/Net/index.htm[/url]
I looked at a few places online but this seemed to be the best one with good prices. A dozen roses is $71,000 ($27 US) with delivery. That's a pretty good deal. When I was in Cali I used a local florist to send a nice floral bouquet and I think it was around $38. I usually have pretty good luck finding florists in various countries as I tend to send a lot of flowers to amigovias.
My girl got the roses today and was blown away. She said they were very beautiful and the packaging was very detailed with lots of ribbons. Good luck.
Saint
Guys, does anyone knows if the Intercontinental swimming pool is accessible with a fee to non-residents ?
Thanks in advance
Pro
Has anyone fallen in love with one of these girls. I made the mistake of doing this and one year after I am out a lot of money but its not so much the money its the fact I was so stupid to believe this woman loved me. I am 47 and shes 23 I should have seen the writting on the wall. Such is life I would be interested in finding out if others have been scammed.
HappyC
Happy C,
Do not sweat it, man. It happen all of the time. There are guys on this board who will tell you that they do not fall for any of these girls. But believe me if you meet the right one who tickles your fantasy it cna happen.
But now forget and go back down and lay everything that comes in sight.
Forget! Like Spock told Kirk in one of the Star Trek episodes.
El Cubanito
PS I have inserted a pic of something sweet that I have in Cuba. She is 33 years old, but she is GREAT in bed and she makes me forget.
El Cubanito,
Thanks for your support and kind words I am trying to get back to being myself but I am having a diffcult time. I need to get back to the three F's Find Fork and Forget
HappyC
Happy C,
Sorry to hear that.
Is probably very clear for you now.
Happy C:
Yep, its happened to me a couple of times youd think Id know better after a while. The first time I started sending money, but the second time, warning bells went off when she started asking me for money. Ive had several since then start asking me to send them money for phone bills, to pay for medical costs for their mothers, etc etc etc. Ive learned to firmly say no. Guess that means that Im getting smarter as I get older, right?
Only once have I gotten the money scam and I learned my lesson, but I have fallen for a couple of these Colombianas. Ive been traveling back and forth to Colombia for 10 years now, so of course its inevitable that would happen. I fell head over heels for a 24 year old last year, but she would accept no money from me at all. She had to be THE most beautiful Colombiana I had seen, so of course I went nuts over her. Unfortunately, she went back to Panama in January (she was back in Colombia for 5 months while her visa was being renewed) to work at Le Palace. We email back and forth and talk often on Instant Messenger. But she has 2 more years to go until she finishes business school in Panama, so its going to be a while until anything happens there. Meanwhile, I ran into an old friend last month when I was in Bogota, and we reignited some smoldering embers we had left a couple of years ago. Since the last time I had seen her about 3 years ago, she had gotten some enhancements done on her body, which looked great. So now we email and talk by phone, and Ill be seeing her again for some extracurricular fun in May.
The Colombianas are so beautiful and so sweet and so attentive that it seems impossible not to become enchanted with them. Ive worked all over Latin America and there is no place that even comes close to Colombia.
Cachaca Lover,
Its quite amazing I was given the same story that the grand mother was very ill and needed medical attention and the costs were very high that's why she was in the profession she was in. So like an idiot I suggested that I could take care of everything and she would have nothing to worry about for the rest of her life. I am fairly successful business person and this was the woman I was going to marry. I was going to invest a significant amount of money in a home, car etc boy was I an idiot or what. You right these woman are so sensual and attentive but I guess this is the culture and this is common in relationships. I am hoping to find a non-pro using Amigos.com. What are you thoughts on Colombian woman that are looking for partners through Amigos.com.
Happy C,
I've met hundreds of girls in the hobby. I've only fallen in love with one of them. I spent thousands of dollars flying her to visit me and the usual girlfriend type stuff. She never asked me for money and I've found the ones that are honest with their feelings won't ask you for money.
There are SO many normal girls that aren't in the hobby that are looking for a nice guy. These working girls are great in bed but few would probably be wife material. Be careful with feelings. Often times guys mistake a strong orgasm for being in love.
Love isn't impossible with these girls. It's just rare and remember that a normal relationship is tough enough these days let alone dealing with all the difficulties of a relationship with one of these girls we meet this way.
Not sure what your situation is but try signing up for www.cybercupidos.com I used to be on amigos.com and had great luck. I recently joined up to this site and in 2 days I have over 25 emails already. Most of the girls that have emailed me are HOT. It's funny that many send their phone number on the first email! Very interesting.....it's nice to practice my Spanish though. I've chatted with a few on the phone already and have invitations all over Colombia! Make sure you have a pretty decent grasp on Spanish though as 99% of these girls don't speak ANY English.
Also, another guy posted a brilliant post on another board I'm a member of. I thought it was great and probably soooo true. It was posted by a guy named SiempreHero. I hope he doesn't mind me quoting him but I think it will benefit lots of guys so I'm reporting here:
"Colombian girls are high maintance man. I am married to one, and she is not from Bogota's south side, but even a poor girl will have big demands when she comes here. Colombianas are GOAL ORIENTED. Let me tell you, these girls are wallet eaters, you not only have to be able to afford them, you have to LOVE affording them. Think of a man who puts all his money into an expensive car or yacht. You have to really love to spoil that girl. I mean: New Car, New Clothes every weekend, dinner out alot, travel to exotic destinations and a $$$ Allowance. I am not saying this is bad, it is the culture. I know some of the readers will write and say that not all the girls are likd this, but hey, i have known many many colombianas from all social classes and what i describe is a strong trend in any colombiana worth marriage. "
P.S. Happy C. Just take your time with these girls. Especially the ones from Amigos.com There are some sweet ones but there are also some girls just wanting a husband. I called one last night that was smoking hot. These girls have this sexy way of calling you "amor". She also asked me if I wanted to settle down and would I come see her in her town.
Also, for the Colombia pros. What's this expression I keep getting in my emails about media naranja? Is that some expression specific to Colombia? I've never heard it anywhere else. Just curious.
Happy C,
Ive looked thru amigos.com but just out of curiosity, not to hook up with someone. Im not really in the market for looking for a girlfriend. I do know some of the women who have signed up on amigos.com, and the ones I know are semi-pros or pros looking to meet a gringo and get out of Colombia. The ones Ive talked to about amigos.com wont even respond to an invitation from a Colombian, so draw your own conclusions on exactly what theyre looking for.
I talked with my current friend last night (the one I ran into after 3 years of not seeing her). Were planning to get together in May. She has an 11-year old daughter, and her cousin just married a gringo who she met on amigos.com. I knew her cousin in fact, I once had a threesome with her and her cousin a couple of years ago.
Saint seems to have had good fortune and also seems to have kept his head together despite the temptations of these incredible Colombianas. Maybe the webite he mentioned is worth a look. Let me know how you do.
When are you going to be in Colombia again?
Saint,
"Media naranja" as in "mi media naranja" means "my better half." It is standard Spanish.
Also, if you are looking for your "soulmate" you are looking for "mi alma gemela"
hope this helps,
Ferolga
Thanks ferolga777,
I figured it meant sweetie pie or something to that effect. Thanks for the direct translation. Funny but out of dozens of emails with girls in other countries I've never heard that expression. The girls in Colombia seem to use it quite a bit. Thanks again.
here is my two cents worth on marrying a colombiana or any latina for that matter and then bringing them to the states. don't even think about. all that sweetness, all the passion will fade very quickly.
they are only looking for a meal ticket guys! do not get fooled. especially if there is a 10 year plus age difference which usually is the case, she will learn very quickly that she can get anything she wants if she is hot. unless you are super rich she will usually end up with the highest bidder.
another point to consider is the fact that they are usually very hot only into their mid twenties (if they stick around) and shortly after that especially after kids and good old american diet and lack of basic activities such as walking (now they will drive everyplace), they are no longer hot or passionate . i have not met a hot latina over 30 especially after kids, for some reason the simply break down.
i am not trying to be negative but i could be awarded a ph.d. in the studies of foreign women and their metamorphisis once exposed to the american culture and peer pressures. i speak from experience!
my suggestion: enjoy the ladies, buy them gifts, even send them money from time to time if you really dig them because there are a lot of poor families(somebody from a rich family will not hook up with a gringo) and the older people do get sick and there is no decent health care for them. but do not spoil a good thing by taking them out of their environment .
on that note good luck fellows...i will be in cartagena visiting my novia starting april 16 for ten days. anybody who would like to hook up for a drink send me a message. ez
Hmmmm,
Well first of all everyone please forgive me. I have an EXTENSIVE Colombia report for when I was there a few weeks ago and have YET to post it. I am here in Panama City, and things have really picked up (chica wise), so most of my time is taken up by spending time with chica, working, etc. So now thats out the way.
OK, my feelings / experience with amigos.com. First off, as I am sure everyone knows everyone will have different luck with amigos so my experience dealing with it is just that, MY experience. Well prior to arriving in Cali I sent out about 100-200 notes to anything that was cute. I got about 25-35 responses in total. Once I arrived in Cali, I was honestly overwelled with chicas, the mall, the hobby, etc. So the amigos.com chics came last on my list, simply because I did not have much time for them. Well anyhow, towards the end of my stay I called the best looking 4. Ok, this is what happend with them:
1. Went over her place, we hung out, I went in for the kill, she claimed I was moving to fast, so after that night we obviously never spoke again. There are so many chicas in Cali, pros, non pros etc, so a chic saying you are moving to fast is someone who never gets a call back.
2. Met her for a night on the town, we went out, danced, came back to my place and fucked.
3. Repeat of number 2.
4. We met my last day in town, she showed around to some sites in the city. She didnt look that good in person, just not my type, and she did not seem serious about getting down to it, which was perfect. She was more of the good girl type. So we just went to the mall, and she took me around the city.
In closing amigos.com is a great resource for material (chicas), once you get some communication with them you can take it where you want. Obviously I had good luck with the chicas that I fucked from amigos, but once again I do not think it is hard to duplicate if you send to at least 100 plus notes to chicas (and thats a high number). Actually now that I think about it, if anyone is heading to cali soon and wants to get a jumpstart on amigos.com chics send me a PM. I will send you a list of the chicas I fucked and would have fucked if I had more time in Cali.
Cheers
Free Sex,
How does one use private mail to contact you?
Do you live in Cali?
I will be in Cali soon. I am looking at purchasing some real estate because I think prices are going up
Happy C
Glad you had fun Free Sex. I've met a few Amigos.com girls and even dated one of them. I really think if you hook up with these girls you have to be open and honest up front and tell them you aren't looking for anything serious. Many of them are. There are a few that are just looking for pen pals and will hook up when you're in town but many of them are looking for a serious relationship.
I think EasyDoesIt makes some good points. While I don't think it's impossible to work if there is not too great of an age difference, have some similar interests, etc., It's a totally different story once you get them here. Unless you have a girl totally in love with you for the right reasons the outcome could be disasterous.
I'm on amigos.com again after a 2 year hiatus and I've received so many emails from girls from Colombia, Venezuela and Cuba. The funny thing is I'm starting to get emails now from girls that are ALREADY here in the USA that got to the USA marrying some guy but are already divorced after only a short amount of time. Not all of them are gold diggers. I'm talking to one super sweet and from an affluent family but still. The odds are probably stacked against you. I'd be really curious to find out the % of gringo marriages that last more than 4 years.......
Saint
Hello,
I will be going to Cali soon and everyone here mentioned Hotel San Fernando is a place to stay. I was wondering if this place is a good location for action. If not, which area should I be staying, I heard Av Sexta, is this right,
By the way, hw far is Hotel San Fernando from the airport, and how much is the taxi ride.
Thanks in advance.
Tica Man
Ez Does it,
Great advice and perspective regarding marriage to any Latina.
Damn, thought I was the only person that knew about the accelerated aging of many, but certainly not all, Latinas. I have dated several over the years and have literally watched them 'deteriorate' right before my eyes. I might add that if one wants to bring a Columbian to the States, being over 30 years of age should be a prerequisite.
Ez
Tica Man,
You should not pay more than 30-35K (aprox $12-13 US @ 2500 pesos to the $) to your hotel Hotel San Fernando.
I generally pay 30K pesos to downtown Cali from the airport. You can take the bus I think for 2K pesos and then a taxi once you are downtown I would recommend this option if you speak spanish arrive during the day dont have much luggage and want a slight adventure. Depending on the time you arrive if you arrive at night take a cab.
HAPPY C
Thanks Happy for the info.
Do you know how far Hotel San Fernando from the action, is it a good location to stay?
Thanks again.
Tica Man,
San Fernando Hotel is in an area called San Fernando If I am not mistaken. It is on the way to the south of the city. It is a nice area. I like to stay in the west close to the Hotel Intercontential. Like the Dann Hotel or there are some nice hotels in the downtown area near Ave La sexta. Don Jamie is right on the strip. However too noisy for me. Distance is not an issue in Cali because taxis are so cheap. Downtown to you hotel should not cost you more than 5000 pesos $2 US at a bad rate of 2500 per Dollar. Taxis from point to point with the city is 2300 to 3000 pesos. All taxis have a meter and a bill card. Late at night they will propbably charge an extra 1000 pesos, I don't know why but this seem to be the norm. Use the ATM with a Visa card to get the best exchange rate usually 2650-2700 pesos the American dollar has taken a pounding since the war started. I remember last year I was getting close to 3000 pesos to a dollar.
When will you be in Cali I am trying to schedule a trip soon maybe we can meet for a beer.
Happy C
Tica Man,
I have been in the Hotel San Fernando, but even though it's not too far from the action( that is the north area) is a nice place. However if you want to be in the center of things there are other hotels you can stay at, or depending how long you will be staying you can get an apt for the money that you would be spending in hotels and wouldn't have to deal with the restrictions if you want to have a reunion or bring girls. I like hotels but I found it more amusing staying in an apt due to several advantages. I usually stay at a place called Terraces, I forgot how you say it in Spanish, my interpreter and guide translates even the names, but he could get you in touch with the one person who rents these apts. It's a very nice place if you want to check it out and it's just right there close to sixth avenue and the west side, in front there's a beer place where collage girls go hang out on the weekend, ( In Cali according to my guide-interpreter weekends start thursdays and Caleņos call Jueves(thursday in English) Juernes, as trying to make it sound as Viernes, which means Friday) If you are staying at least two weeks and your budget allows it you should consider this option, but I wouldn't know if they had any vacancies at the moment. I'll email you my guide's email address through private message, he might be able to help you if he is not busy with another client at the moment.
Good luck
Just want to add some comments regarding the women of COL.
I was in CTG for 5 days last week. I met a HOT 45 yr. old looking much younger. I'm mid-50's but look 40'ish. Yes, she is fantastic. Slim, 55 kg. She didn't ask for money after getting together 3 times.
She says she loves me. I'm afraid she will try to use it for her economic gains. Also wants me to get her US visitors visa. Any comments. I really like her.
Just to clear up some slightly misleading items of the last few weeks:
1. The name is Hostal San Fernando, not Hotel San Fernando. Still, it is a hotel (not a hostal) in the neighborhood of San Fernando. There is a Hotel San Fernando which I have never seen any reference to in WSG in the last 12-24 months, and taxi drivers have told me this place is a dump.
2. The add-on for a taxi at night, officially called 'recargo nocturno' is 500 pesos, not 1,000. Since you don't see the rate card, and since meters show rate-numbers and not fares in pesos, most taxis will overcharge you for both the normal fare and any add-on (e.g. night add on). Don't let them, unless you like to pay more than list price on things.
3. Using a visa card in an ATM is flat out stupid (unless it's an emergency). Use an ATM card. One with a VISA logo also implies it works on the plus network (vs. cirrus). Using a VISA card will cary a 2% or US$10 fee (which ever is higher) and you'll accrue interest immediately. Money is money, paying fees for obtaining money, when it's otherwise not required, is stupid.
Leo,
The charge levied on Visa depends on the issuer of the card. With my card you only pay 1% (with a maximum of Euro 1.36) if your account shows a positive balance.
Withdrawing money with my ATM card is much more expensive!
NYC EXPAT,
This is strictly for information purposes and not intended as a judgement of your situation. That being said there are plenty of Colombian or Latina looking 45 year olds right here in N.Y.C.
As far as the Visitors Visa or "Cita" as it is called in spanish.
There are two types "Tourist" and "Fiance".
Tourist- Will allow the women to come here on vacation.This visa can only be applied for at the U.S embassy in the womens home country. Besides the application it requires a face to face interview.
The cost is a $25 application fee that the women must pay at a bank before contacting the embassy for appointment. In addition there is a $100 non refundable processing fee that must be paid.
The $125.00 is probably what she was asking for. Which makes sense for 3 pops. As my Soprano friends like to say "You can pay me now or you can pay me later" sorry less I digress.
Once she pays the $25 to the bank and has a reciept she can call the U.S embassy for a appointment. At that time they will send her a application (which must be completed in English).
They will also give her a appointment for interview (about 5 min in duration and conducted in Spanish)
After the interview they will keep the $125.00, deny her application and send her on her way. We have to finance world domination some way!
There are however exceptions to every rule. It is possible to get a tourist if you can demonstrate the following.
1. You own a house.
2. You have a bank account with "Mucho Dinero"
3. You have a good job.
From my experience only the first two apply.
Which brings us to the Fiance Visa.
You can do this yourself or hire a agency (I have never done either but I am told the agency route is about $650.00)
This visa must be applied for by you.
Fiance Visa.
This allows your girlfriend to enter the country for 6 months.
If you marry her within six months she can stay in the country and apply for permanent status.
If you do not marry her she will:
A. Have to go home, never to be allowed entrance into our country again.
B. Simply dissapear to Corona N.Y. or where ever her husband, boyfriend or family lives. While you get to explain to the I.N.S.
There are many other conditions you must comply with:
A. Demonstrate you have a relationship with this women through letters,photos and travel documents.
B. Provide tax returns to prove you can support her.
C. Health certificates(no vd) and police reports for her.
If the idea of going thru this for a 45 y/o piece of ass is starting to bore you, imagine how I feel typing all this with one finger.
More info is available online at the U.S. State Dept. and probably has been written before by others on this site.
I hope this has been helpful.
Lima Busy
P.S. Recurdo mi Amigo! A chica is just as likely to say "te amo" to get a visa as you are to say it to get in her pants.
NYC Expat
It's nice to have a pretty woman tell you she that she loves you. Enjoy the affair. Love her.
However, I see no reason to bring her to the USA. Your concerns are valid. I have seen the problem of the woman that comes to the USA and gets what she wants and then dumps the guy so many times that it stopped being funny and now is just boring.
So, good luck. My best wishes.
Ferolga
Leo,
Thanks for your advise on the ATM card. I generally pay $1.50 transaction fee with Bank of America. Where can you get the best rate for American Dollars in Cali or other cities. I generally go to Caruaa in San Fernando ner the dog park there is a grocery store with a Bank.
Also thank you on the information on the taxi surcharge at night. How does one commuincate this in spanish to the taxi driver in spanish if hes trying to rip you.
HappyC
ferolga and Lima Busy
Thanks very much for your honest feedback. Especially Lima Busy with your informative post. Its highly appreciated. All points taken to consideration.
I would like to clarify a few points. After being with her (non-pro) and never asking for anything, I suggested she came to the US on a brief holiday so we could be together since I had extra time in S. Florida before returning to Europe. The time could be used so we could get to know each other better. Of course I didnt know the new requirements for visas.
I browsed the embassys website in Bogota regarding visas. I realize it isnt as easy as I thought. I wrote her yesterday explaining the visa situation. She seems ok with it. I suggested we go together to Bogota when I return to CTG in July. No problem. She hasnt asked for money. Sure, I will probably have to send $25 for the fee but I myself can pay the $100 embassy application expense personally when Im there. Transport of course is also my expense. She'll need a return ticket to enter the US and its only a holiday trip at this time. I can afford supporting her on holiday in Florida for a week. So far so good.
If she starts asking for money then I know her true intentions and I can stop it before it costs a fortune. Guys, you are probably right but it is also possible her intentions are really honorable. They all cant be gold diggers can they?. As for the age difference, I am not young in age, only in appearance and mind. I prefer a woman her age rather than a woman late 20s, early 30s for obvious reasons.
BTW, while in CTG, I met an American, 50, working in Bogota whom introduced me to his 26 yr. old GF. They have been together for 7 months and seem happy. He told she never asks for anything. He gives her taxi money for transport and an occasional gift. He said she is satisfied. I offered to give my new friend a gift. After some thought, she would like a pair of jeans. Cost about 120000 pesos, roughly $45. Reasonable I think.
Time will tell.
Lima Busy
That was a superb explanation. It should be on the FAQ.
ferolga
One correction to Lima's post: a fiancee visa (K-1) only gets you 90 days, NOT 6 months, within which to marry her or send her back else she becomes deportable and "excludable". You must submit an affidavit of support promising to repay the government for any welfare benefits or the like she might subsequently receive. She will have to pass a medical exam (at YOUR cost) that includes an HIV screening in addition to various other indignities. And the process is SLOW (though supposedly a bit quicker for East Coasters). All in all a HORRIBLE experience in bureacracy.
Anyone interested in a long term relationship or even a relationship period should spend adequate amounts of time with the girl. Getting a tourist visa for the girl is next to impossible. I've talked to several natives there that met all 3 criteria and still were shot down for a tourist visa. Sounds like the fiancee visa process isn't that difficult but it's a VERY serious situation and something that requires a lot of thought before doing.
My advice is to take some time off and either go to her city or travel around with her. I just spent a little over a week with a girl from Cali and discovered it wasn't for me.
We all are in different situations and I know it can work for some guys. I have really only talked to one guy that had the relationship/marriage work more than 4 years. I'm sure there are a lot more out there but most of the guys told me it didn't work out after a relatively short amount of time.
I've been going out to various places in Lima with pros and non-pros and it's fairly easy to meet the local girls. Almost all of them have told me they don't like the local guys. The highly educated girls like my two friends here said it's even more difficult to find a bright guy here that is worth keeping.
Good luck all.
El C:
Read my post more carefully please, I said to obtain cash from an ATM with a VISA is stupid. Using your VISA at point of sale (POS), given you have a 1% vs. 3% situation (e.g. all MBNA's are 1%) may be break even vs. the ATM given a $1.5 bank charge and maxing your withdrawl, depending on the FX your VISA and ATM bank use. I've found that my MBNA VISA rate is low enough vs. BofA's interbank rate that unless I can obtain a max withdrawl (in Colombia that would be 1,000,000 pesos if I remember right) I'm better off using the VISA. In summary, BofA's FX rate sucks I think.
Using a VISA to obtain cash (at an ATM or at a bank) will cost you a fee of $10 or 2% (I think), which ever is greatest, plus you'll begin accruing interest immediately.
Happy C:
I have BofA also. If remember right, there are like 5 ATM's within 2 blks of that grocery across from Karen's Pizza and a block from the park. One of the ATMs is across from the grocery in a bank/real estate office, and it only allows like 500,000 peso withdrawl, so I didn't use it. The green one in the little booth in the grocery parking allowed 1,000,000 if I remember right. The two on the main street, a block further from the park, were 600,000 max, I think.
I'm guessing they all have the same rate, which is determined by your US bank (BofA). The key is to minimize your fee.
Call BofA before you travel. Make sure they agree to waive all ATM charges they control (e.g. their charge per ATM - if the local bank also hits you with a charge there's nothing BofA can do). I was hit with the ATM charge (by the local bank) on every one of my withdrawls in Colombia.
OK, back to the girls (now that you have your money) ;)
Dear LEO and other cheapskates,
Stop taking up valuable board space with this crap about saving 1% or $1.50. My advise is travel, enjoy the ladies, and don't be an fn cheapskate about petty crap like this. After reading all these posts on Colombia, I'm willing to venture that You Leo are the cheap fuck who wanted change back from a $1000 peso bill (.30 cents US) at Flores Frescas.
This whole discussion seems stupid when you figure that on average you are only paying $30 US (or less) to get laid. This is further compounded when you figure that the average cab ride costs less than $1.00 US Dollar. If you all want to save $$ stay home and masterbate or start dating each other. You all can switch from pitcher to catcher (I imagine). Later!
Thanks Leo When next will you be in Cali maybe we can have a beer.
HappyC
Leo,
I would truly appreciate to know exactly where to find that ATM that allows up to 1000000 pesos. I live here, and going at the ATM to withdraw a max of 400000 kills me with the fees. Which Karens Pizza are you talking about? There are about 5 in Cali (or even more).
Thanks
Freeze
I think that is a mistake Leo. I used all those ATM's that you did and many many more and none of them would let me take out more than 400,000 pesos. Most of them only let me take out 300,000. That was something really annoying in Cali that they limited the amount you could take out. Luckily I have several ATM cards so I had no problems.
Antifreeze, if you don't have a paypal.com ATM card you may want to consider it. They are free and they only charge $1 to withdrawl money. I've never had a problem using it in any country I've been to except for of course Cuba. You can also have more than 1 if you have more than 1 paypal.com account. I have several paypal.com ATM debit cards linked to my accounts in USA so it's a good source of withdrawing funds.
Good luck and I hope you're doing well.
Saint
Chorizo, is there any reason to post such a response? If someone wants their change, then they have a right to it. For guys who hit an ATM every day, the money adds up. Chill out.
Chorizo, your "dear Leo and other Jews" that you just changed in "dear Leo and other cheapskates" is NOT acceptable : I hope the administrator will ban you as soon as possible for those insults to a respectable and good added-value poster.
You're obviously full of crap, your five posts on the Tijuana thread as well, and believe me nobody will miss you.
Hey Guys (and Pro),
Listen. There is no need to get all up in arms over my statements. It's simply one mans opinion and nothing more. I think you all focus too much on saving a few centavos here and there rather, than having fun while traveling. Your main concern should be to have fun and not whether you can save .5 or .10 cents.
As for the Jews comment hey, its just a joke and nothing more. Take a chill pill. I do apologize to anyone who got offended.
Currently I'm planning a trip to Colombia and searching for info on the Ladies has become a bit challenging because, of all the other crap you guys (and Pro) choose to discuss on this board. I hate having to comb through hundreds of posts just to get info on the ladies.
I also believe that life is too short to worry about a few cents here or there. However, this board and life in general is NO place for ANY kind of racial, ethnic or religious slurs. "Joking" about these things is very ugly and anyone that does is ugly as well. JMHO.
No one, not even me ever posted with regards to saving a few cents, let alone the "$.05 to .10" you posted.
The main information in my post was regarding the choice of using the ATM over the VISA card - the latter could cost you an $80 fee with over $100 in interest if you pay a large monthly statement even on the due date.
With regard to saving on ATM fees, for someone going to an ATM a few times a week... that could easily add to 25 times in month (almost once a day is easy espcially in Cali where they have low max amounts permisable per withdrawl)... well 25 times at $1.50 from BoA and $1.50 from the local bank adds up to $75.... not a nickel or a dime.
As an example, a retired gentleman on fixed income social security retirement from a life of civil service serving his community, or high school teacher (either is a very important and well regarded career in my opionion) enjoying a long summer vacation, who might enjoy Cali as one of the few places he can take a 4 week vacation given his $40k or $50k annual budget... well he might find saving $75 nice. Even a banker or a lawyer earning six figures might wish to keep his $75 versus paying it to his bank for the priveledge of an account... not all like to 'waste' money paying fees that otherwise aren't necessary.
On a different note, regarding the fact that you're having difficulties finding info on the girls, especially on this site, it must only mean you haven't done your duty of reading past posts in the section, especially if you're ragging on me. I challenge you to find 5 other posters (yes, there have been a few, thumbs ups guys!) who have provided posts of detals and specifics greater than my post of July. Please tell us in your opinion which posts have detailed greater amounts of specifics on girls or places, pro or nonpro... names, addresses, girls' name, costs, locations, times, prices, rules, tricks, scams, etc.
AND TO CONCLUDE, COMMENTS OF PREJUDICED OR STEREOTYPING NATURE HAVE NO PLACE - ON WSG OR IN ANY POSTS OR SIMPLY PUT IN LIFE... so go get one.
AF and Saint you are right, I never was able to withdrawl 1mil pesos on one transaction. Your posts prompted to me to pull my receipts, and I see I was able to get 500k per card (two cards, thus my remembering getting 1mil) in one stop to the ATM.
This was the only ATM that allowed 500k (that I found).
The receipt says SERVIBANCA. I can only guess but I nearly certain remember it was at the green kiosk in the parking lot (next to the little food stand) of the supermarket two blocks from Parque de Perros in San Fernando. There is a Karen's across the side street from the market. There is an ATM across Cra 27 - not that one. There are two ATMs on 5th - not those.
I also remember that the max amount varried - some days only 400k, others 500k - I have receipts showing both amounts, in pairs per each day used.
This ATM is the most convenient of any choices if you're in San Fernando, perhaps staying at Rigo's. Let's see a report with an update frin someone.
Chorizo wrote "take a chill pill".
Take your remarks to another board.
Leo,
I was just there in March and that ATM didn't even work when I went there. I also have a Bank of America ATM and a few Paypal ATM cards as well as another from another bank. I think the times I tried it was out of money. I did use the one across the street but it only had a 300,000 max. It's easy to blow money in Cali if you're hobbying alot.
You're totally right. Usually the ones that complain the most on WSG are the ones that haven't contributed anything or the ones that don't contribute anything of substance.
There are so many guys that post countless posts to help other guys. It's amazing how much people still complain. Thanks for your past posts. Have fun I'm off to Europe.
Saint
i have yet to find any atm in colombia allowing more than 400k per withdrawal. in cartagena, they are all 300k, and in some shopping malls in bogota none allow more than 200k. while the banks claim these low limits are "for your security", i believe it is all about maximizing their fees. servibanco is definitely 400k (that is the one i use most frequently).
atm fees add up to way more than "a few centavos". both your bank at home plus the bank owning the atm will charge you fees in excess of a dollar for each withdrawal. but these charges still pale compared to cash advances or changing banknotes at cambios.
imho, racial, ethnic or religious slurs should not be tolerated regardless of whether the supposed intent was "merely joking" or outright hate speech.
on another note, hotel don jaime hit me for a 26k guest fee ($10) for the first time (though i do not stay there often as i have another hotel i prefer). it was a male receptionist (as opposed to the lady i remember from reception from past trips). this adds almost a third to your cost (rate is 74k before guest fee).
NYC Expat,
There has been some incorrect information posted about Fiance Visas.
The fiance visa is only good for 90 days.
They imigration offercier at the US point of entry will ask her ( and you independently- if you accompany herwhen) the wedding is scheduled. They can and do deny entry to people if they feel it is n ot a legitimate visa.
Once you marry you file the forms with the local office and your new wife has temporary resident status for two years. After two years she can apply for permanent resident status.
You are on the hook for here for the two years that it takes for her to get a permanent green card. The documents that you file for her make you financially responsible for her. If you can not cover her under your insurance plan, you will be responsible for any medical bills she incurs.
Don
Servibanco (or the green ones) also let me take out 300K or 400k per transaction. However, there was an option for "multi-transactions" and when I used that option, I could do that 3 or 4 times and get out a few hundred dollars to last me a day or two. I think I remember it only charging me once for several withdraws when done this way.
Cali is a beautiful city, with beautiful women. Going with 4-5 women per day does add up. Even with the "very reasonable" prices, you might as well try to save a few dollars and get the extra girl instead of the bank getting the money.
Hey Surfer - that guy at HDJ is named Winston and I think he is the night manager. Usually, I would slip him a few dollars and he always looked the other way. I am glad that you are back from your last venture to the country south of the NORTH POLE. mumms the word! :-) (send photos to my e-mail PLEASE!)
Dude go to CitiBank! It will even give you the amount in dollars!
Vallenato aka El Negrito
Harold Rivera El Nuevo Rey Vallenato
I`m in Cali right now. Sorry guys not much news to post on mongering (being trailed all day by my chica`s brothers), but I just wanted to add that the Banco de Colombia ATM near Puente La Luna in La Luna says that it allows withdrawals of 1.2 million. So probably this goes for all Banco de Colombia ATMs. Haven`t tried to withdraw that much though, because imho it`s safer not to walk around with that much of money on you.
Please provide the location of the Citibank. What's the max withdrawl?
But then, what good are US$s in Colombia?
And for everyone tired of financial discussion (although it's certainly linked to scoring P4P now isn't it?)... I'll be visiting this month and be happy to provide a small report.
Dear Leo,
Please enlighten us, upon your return, with such great tips as, switching from two-ply to one-ply or how to recycle used condoms. Im sure that the $1.50 an average school teacher will save each month from doing so will greatly improve the quality of their lives.
What I have found to be an effective way of saving money in my travels is carrying my own paper towels. I usually take them from the airplane restroom on my flight in. That way when I go to the rip-off clubs and that annoying bathroom attendant tries to give me a paper towel I just rip out my own and laugh and keep that peso in my pocket. I just thought that I would share my own money saving plans with you guys. I know that after I have spent $5-700 on airfare and a few hundred on a hotel room I just cant seem to get it up unless I know Ive saved $1.50 somewhere. I would just like to thank you guys for taking up the last page plus arguing over the daily limits on the ATM machines and how much you can save per transaction. Those other jerks were tying up this space with information about girls and stuff.
[blue]Greetings,
I've received so many complaints about thie report that I'm just going to post my standard response here and spare myself all the time responding individually:
I reviewed the report and I agree that the author was somewhat abrasive in making his point. However, as a technical matter, I didn't actually read anything in the report that would constitute a violation of the Forum's No SPAM Policies. Specifically, I did not actually find any derogatory or racist words that by themselves would be violations of the Forum's Policies.
I appreciate that you personally may be somewhat offended by the author's perspective, but I'm sure that you can also appreciate that the very nature of the WSG Forum requires that the readers keep their "sensitivity radars" turned down.
I encourage you to continue monitoring this member's reports, and if he begins posting more offensive material, please let me know and I will take the appropriate action.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
I note you don't include yourself in the group that ties up the space with useful information. Why don't you take a crack at contributing any useful information sometime... maybe travel to Cali and post a report... maybe post a report on any destination (other than your TJ info, btw thanks).
If the community prefers, I'll not post a trip report and instead email it to the Cali section regulars and friends... let me know.
Troll, get fuck off this board.
Hi,
Chorizo's sarcastic statements are inducing Leo to not post his report. That is not a good thing.
I got no beef with anyone. But getting cranky at someone because they are posting information that is useful to some, though perhaps not to all, seems to me uncharitable and useless.
I look at these boards as places where I get ideas for when I travel. Not as a replacement for travel. So, if someone is not providing that vicarious thrill for you, my advice is to book that ticket and go live your life.
Leo, I'll accept that report if you won't post it on the board. Thank you.
Ferolga
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I truly appreciate the ATM talk and want to get to the bottom of this. Thanks to the infinite greed of my US banks, I pay up to $150 of fees every month for ATMs (that is half of my rent for my 2000 sq. foot appartment). Needless to say that it affects my lifestyle by taking that money away from me. Contrarely to some 'people''s input, this is not in the same categrory as saving on toilet paper.
WSG is filled with narrow minded, uneducated, selfish and rude people trying to find their way through unattainable happiness by traveling to Colombia and meeting with a lady that they wouldn't deserve in a thousand years. I personaly decided to stop posting on WSG since there are too many of these sub-humans that do not deserve any help whatsoever to travel.
On the other side though, I had the chance to meet a few of great quality both online and here in Cali. So, there are some chances that I can continue participating in some interesting talks. ATMs is at the top of my wish list for the Cali thread.
Don River and others.
Many thanks for your feedback and comments. It's highly appreciated.
The American Embassies in the respective countries has much information if anyone else has these thoughts.
On the topic of ATM
I don't have a Citybank account. But I noticed Citybank has branches in Cartagena, Bogota and Medellin. I guess there might be one in Cali. If so, would it be cheaper to make withdrawals if one had an account with Citibank?
Who has an account with Citybank and do they get charged when they withdraw money overseas?
Ferolga
I think that some people on this board really need to relax. If you want to discuss ATM fees, discuss away. I personally find this pretty boring, but, hey, to each their own.
Leo, if you want to post a report on your trip to Cali then post one, and I am sure we will all gratefully read it. Please, however, spare us the melodramatic "I'll take my ball home" attitude. If you don't like how someone responds to one of your posts ignore them or respond to them, whatever you want, but don't be a drama queen hoping that others will run to your defense to avoid losing your fount of wisdom. Posting a report is at your pleasure and discretion.
Antifreeze, I am sure that you are a nice guy but some may say that calling people narrow minded, uneducated and selfish is fairly rude in and of itself, particularly when you have never met them. I also doubt that you are really in a position to determine what others deserve. Again post and participate if you want, or don't, the board will be here either way.
Chorizo, you shouldn't use racial slurs and stereotypes and you should follow your own advice on the "chill pill."
If you want to know a bank's policy regarding ATM charges in foriegn countries you're probably better off contacting the bank, this will likely be more reliable than someone elses recollection of their experience.
Just my opinions.
On this topic, i should be interested to know what is the usual amount of cash ( or us$) that Change Houses can accept, what seems to be their maximum, and are the ones in the airports or in the malls usually the safest ?
Thanks
Anybody know a good cheap place I can get my shoes shined in Cali? I don't want to pay more than $2.
Funny thing happened on my way to the ATM...I got laid.
Hey Chuponalgas,
What I like to do is get a girl from Kaliente for 3 hours I make sure that we're through with the luvin in an hour and a half. That gives her and hour and a half to do my laundry, fold my clothes and shine my shoes. Just a little tip.
I would like to apologize for actually mentioning a gentleman's club in my last post I realize that this board has tried to stay away from such issues recently. I will try to avoid the mention of such places in the future. I really like the green ATM's with the little curtains.
Upon further review I realize that I also recently made a comment along the lines of "I got laid" and also mentioned a "girl." Again I apologize. The red ATM's with the like native guys face are cool too. And I really like the change houses. Thanks.
Change Houses? ATMs? Bank Fees? How about discussing something important like French Showers (they save money and water)? Oh. how about coupons? Does anyone know which Cali Newspaper has the best coupons? Also, I need a good butcher.
Well apparently that nut Chorizo was right. This forum is being filled with mindless dribble. Hey, how about discussing the ladies (places to visit, quantity, quality, and prices).
All other matters are probably best discussed via private message.
Frijole and Simple Man, i think you're quite fast for targeting as BS the things which set aside one meter from your own preocupations ("quality, quantity and prices").
No need to be ironic or condescending with Leo and Antifreeze : they are two of the people who have made this thread a valuable resource for people who actually are interested in Cali and they have always been in this thread the most informative posters on many subjects ;
Thanks to them and some others, ALL the information is there and in one place.
As for the personals preocupations on various subjects beside P4P, sure there is plenty of that : WSG is, happily, a community of sorts (see Buenos Aires or Sao Paulo threads) ;
Furthermore anyone who actually reads the thread from start to finish will likely be surprised at how much usefull information is there and how well folks have managed to stay on track.
PS : French (as I am) do take showers, this thread is IMO not full of mindness dribble (except for unusefull and offensives posts) and Chorizo is a troll full of crap, despite what you can say.
Well Pro,
Thanks for your reply. But I also have posted information on this board including addresses, telephone numbers, etc. And unlike some of the other posters, I have responded to PM's and provided additional information when I had such. I in fact responded to some of your questions in this forum. I have not had the same response from other posters that apparently consider themselves to be somehow elite. Also I have had the experience of going through page after page of reports to find valuable info and then find out that the poster left off address or telephone info, I try not to do that to people.
As for the whole ATM subject, a two minute search on the CitiBank webpage would have revealed that, if you have a CitiBank account, you can use over 800,000 ATM's worldwide, including two in Cali, WITHOUT PAYING FEES.
Antifreeze I am sorry that one of the subhuman, narrow minded, uneducated, selfish and rude people had to find this out for you. You could have been saving $150.00 a month. Aren't you a little embarrassed that a cretin discovered this for you?
Why not try to find out simple facts before you post a long string of BS on a collateral subject. Then maybe you could post the answer.
Regarding who to thank for all of the information being in one place I would suggest you give your gratitude to Jackson, whose efforts maintain the World Sex Guide, not the International ATM Discussion Group.
I think that Antifreeze's post actually speaks for a number of the posters, who apparently think that they are somehow better than everyone else. Well fellas, unfortunatley, none of us are that important. Whether or not any of us are here tomorrow everyone else will press on.
Also I do not think that I was being either ironic or condescending in my previous posts. I think that the actual word may be sarcastic. (Now that was condescending, isn't it ironic.)
Hello Gentlemen (and Pro)
Well here is my problem with the WSGs current trend on posting stuff that is not directly related to the Ladies. Ive been mongering for over 15 years. A friend of mine, Chuponalgas, is the one that introduced me to the WSG. As a new member, and a first timer heading to Brazil, I thought Id use the WSGs resources. Well much to my surprise the site was filled with worthless crap. Needless to say it made my search for info on P4P quite frustrating. It took me well over two hours before, finding one useful post. This unfortunately, has been my experience on various other sections (Argentina, Colombia, Ecuador, etc.). Thus, I do agree in part with Chorizo that all this other crap about ATMs is taking up valuable board space.
Frijole,
Keep in mind that "peripheral" discussions often can have a large impact on one's experience when mongering away from where one is familiar. Information on safety, for example, can prevent an outstanding vacation from turning into a horrible one. Similarly, it's nice to know if it's necessary to bribe some local official when confronted abroad.
Perhaps this ATM discussion has gotten out of hand, but discussions other than purely about chicas can have a big effect on one's chica experience.
Just my 2 pesos.
DfB
Simple Man,
A 'dog' needs to be named a 'dog'. We need to name things as they are in that complex and confusing world of ours. I am sorry to say that Chorizo is a complete idiot to think that he can say to someone 'Peter (or whatever) and other Jews' without having any other reaction than what happened on that thread afterwards. Even worst to think that it was a joke. The last thing it is is a Joke. First, it insults 'Peter' (do not remember who it was intended for). Then it insults the Jews. But overall, it gives us a clear picture of its caracter. This was so out of line, that there's really no recovery from it. He is welcome to register under another name and start from scratch, but in my book Chorizo is done with.
And yes, I feel totally superior to this person, and do not mind saying it loud and clear. If you look back to all the threads I've participated in, I called 2 persons idiots: Chorizo and Munjo Raising, and they deserved every bit of it.
Sex is one aspect of our lives, sex is not the complete foundation of our lives. Other than sex, we need many things in life that is worth talking about.
Thank you for your CitiBank tip, but I sadly do not have a CitiBank bank account. That leaves me back to square one. I will try to check the Banco Colombia near Punte de la Luna to see if it is indeed true that one can withdraw 1.2M there. I will post my findings afterwards.
All,
BTW, the Internet is built around the fact that one can get information on demand. WSG is about sex, I agree, but too many times one needs to pay for sex. So taking some time to talk about ATMs is not off the point. As long as we try to achieve a clear objective. This thread's objective is clear: lower the bank fees.
If you do not like it, look the other way... I personaly do like it and feel that we're close from achieving that objective.
Freeze
Frijole, well trip reports are nice, but there is often lots of "noise" that may be distracting. If there is a FAQ for a section, always read that first, as it will give you a good basis to start from.
For a site as you describe, you would have to have some heavy handed forum "minders", and it would quickly become a tedious place. I'm not familar with any of your reports, but would say that if you want to see good reports, you should write good reports and give everyone an example to emulate.
When you read a newspaper and want to read the comics, you may have to look through the whole paper to find it. I recommend starting to read a section you're interest in a least a month before you go. That way you have plenty of time to absorb the details, ask informed questions and so forth.
Although I've never been to Cali, it's on my list of places to go to, so I check out the posts so that I have a good idea of what to expect when I go.
For those of you who don't like a particular post or actually those who don't think a post pertains to them ... i.e. ... doesn't contain info that they think is usefull to them ... simply quickly scan the post and move on.
No need to 'dog' anyone. There are thousands of posts in this guide that I don't care about but no big deal ... I just scan till I find the info I want.
If you think about it ... there's more 'unnecessary' posts of guys 'dogging' other guys than anything else.
If you don't like the WSG ... adios to ya!
Chuponalgas said:
"Anybody know a good cheap place I can get my shoes shined in Cali?"
I don't know about Cali, but in Bogotá I haggled the bootblacks from a thousand pesos to 700 pesos.
The term in Spanish for a shoe shine is "embolada" or "lustrada."
Ferolga
Jaimito EL Cartero,
First and foremost, let me just say that I respect the opinions of others on this board. However, I do believe that we should always be considerate of new members looking for information. Not everyone has the time or the patience to comb through hundreds of posts just to find an address or other related information on a particular cat house. I recall my first experience on the WSG being quite terrible. I would like to ask you to see my report on Cali and Medellin (also see Simple Mans). I think both are great examples of the stuff we should all try to focus on. Other issues, such as ATMs, Change Houses, Shoe Shines, etc., should be kept to a minimum, in my humble opinion, and pm each other with that information. I usually try to respond to a particular query sent to me via pm within 24 hours.
Ricker,
Regarding your last statement, If you dont like the WSG ... adios to ya!
Well I respectfully disagree. I think that we can all make the WSG better. I welcome the criticism and ideas of others. I think Chorizo has a right to express his opinion, good or bad, as do I.
One thing that always upsets me is when Members do not share the addresses or telephone numbers of establishments they write about. Ive emailed several members regarding such issues and they have never responded to any of my pms. Thus, on my last trip to Cali and Medellin I made sure to give addresses and phone numbers.
Furthermore, I think that pointing out to other members that they are getting off the main subject (the Ladies) a bit too much is a valid complaint. I regularly visit sections a week or two prior to my visit. Im currently looking into returning to Cali later this month and I just wanted to see what new info, if any, was out there regarding some of my favorite places. However, all I saw were pages full of ATM info.
Chorizo,
Although, your opinion is valuable, you should choose your words carefully. Otherwise, no one will listen to what you have to say.
Just some places people could check out if they are going to Cali.
FLORAS FRESCA or LA MANSION ROSADA, as some cab drivers know it: Calle 20N No.4N-16, 660-1958
Kaliente Club: Calle 25 Norte No. 2 Bis - 47, B. San Vicente, 653-6832
Jhon Davis: Av. 2 Bis Norte #28 47 661-6282
El Eden, Calle 5, No. 63A-19, 551-1775
Hero's Club, Cra. 30 A N0. 7-73, 557-4391
Club Social Dina's, Cra 50 No. 10-31, 553-5007
Venu's Club, Carrera 66 No.9-61, 330-1104
Suenos, Cra. 44, #5B-79, 551-7748
Clinica Del Dr. Amor & Another, Av. 2N No 23-37
Pharaon Calle 2 # 23-48, There are at least 4 other houses within 5 blocks of Faragon, but I lost the names and numbers, sorry.
H-e-e-e-ey!
How about preparing a FAQ for Colombia? We have enough addresses now for that.
Ferolga
Frijole ... yes, I have to agree with you ... the WSG is a better forum when people express their feelings and opinions ... you are correct.
Just like in real life, however, one shouldn't attack others and use over-sarcastic remarks and racist tones.
People will value an opinion when it is given respectfully, otherwise it's just wasted space.
I stand corrected in one respect ... thank you, you make a good point.
However, for the nasty, arrogant type ... just like in real life ... they serve no purpose. Adios to them would be nice.
Enough said I guess ... let's get back to "chica talk"
I went to the BanColombia near el puente de la Luna, and the max is 400 000 pesos. So, it is not 1.2 M pesos as stated.
Will keep on searching for a solution.
Freeze.
Antifreeze,
As I said in my message I didn't withdraw the 1.2 million from the Banco de Colombia ATM on Calle 13 (because I have brought sufficient Euros with me on this trip), but after a withdrawal of 300.000 I definitely saw on the screen that withdrawals of 1.2 million per day were possible. It might be that you should make 3 withdrawals of 400.000 then.
However, on my previous trip (Jul/Aug 2003) I didn't bring so much cash and one of my novia's houses needed some repairs and I withdrew amounts of 1 million pesos and 2 million pesos from several banks on several occasions both in Bogota, Cali and Armenia (as you can seen from the Visa statement), making the withdrawals from the counter WITHIN THE BANKS. An added advantage is that this is safer and cheaper!
Chao
Dear Antifreeze:
Let me get this straight, you went to the BanColombia near el puente de la Luna, and the max is 400 000 pesos. So, it is not 1.2 M pesos as stated. WOW!
Thank God you will keep on searching for a solution. I can't wait!
Here's some info that a friend from Colombia e-mailed me, I am just cutting and pasting his list so I am sorry if anything is inaccurate.
An internet site for escorts in Cali.
Las Profesionales (www.lasprofesionales.com)
(315-574 85 43, 310-371 59 35)
Another agency:
Fantasias Internacional (www.fantasias-internacional.com)
Calle 13 #22a - 44 Barrio Junin (514 2159, 557 1833)
Cra. 23 #9e - 91 Barrio Bretaņa ( 557 4672)
$80.000/hour (out of house), $50.000/hour (room, jacuzzi, girl), $40.000/hour (room, girl)
And some casas:
Geishas Club
Avenida 2E Norte #24N-114 Barrio San Vicente (682 3164)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour
Albaricoque Club
Avenida 2E Norte #24N-76 Barrio San Vicente (681 3427)
$45.000/hour & $35.000 ― hour
Cristal Club (Open 24 hours/day)
Pasoancho & 72 near Davivienda (331 7963, 333 6827)
$72.000/hour & $42.000 ― hour (BBBJ depends on which girl you talk to)
Vannessas (Open to men and couples)
Cra. 32 #6-42 Barrio Los Cambulos (556 5321)
Cra. 40 #9-14 (551 1644)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour (BBBJ depends on which girl you talk to)
Eros
Cra. 30A #7-73 Barrio El Cedro (557 6918, 557 4283, 557 4391)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour
Amores
Avenida 3 Norte #47CN12 Barrio La Merced (683 0494)
$35.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour
Dinastia Club
Calle 48 #8a-08 (Near Air Base [438 7618])
$40.000/hour & 30.000 ― hour or $80.000/hour for 2 girls at once
Club Social Dinas
Cra. 50 #10-31 Barrio Villa Depal (553 5007)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour
Apolos
Calle 15 #21-78 Barrio Guayaquil (557 8572)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour
Chicas del Norte
Avenida 2Bis Norte #28N57 Barrio San Vicente (668 1191, 660 0134)
$60.000/hour (out of house), $45.000/hour & $35.000 ― hour (in-house)
Complete service includes nude massage, oral sex and vaginal sex
Florecitas Caché
Calle 36 #34-40 Barrio La Gran Colombia (335 94437)
$13.000/hour (nude massage) --- anything extra is negotiable w/individual girl
Sueņos
Cra. 44 #5B79 Barrio Tequendama (551 7748)
$40.000/hour & $30.000 ― hour
Cra. 24 #51-79 Barrio Nueva Floresta (444 3378)
Nude massage 1 girl/$12.000 or 2 girls/$15.000 w/handjob included
Any additional services can be negotiated individually w/the girls.
Cra. 39 Pasoancho #13-71 Barrio El Dorado (335 7948)
$32.000/hour or $21.000/ ― hour (room included)
Usually there are about 9 girls on duty.
Calle 9B #20-25 Barrio Bretaņa (557 5409)
$25.000/nude massage w/hand job or $50.000/complete 1 hour service
Calle 23 #18-81 Barrio Las Casas (683 5240)
$20.000/hour or $15.000/ ― hour for 1 girl
$30.000/hour for 2 girls at once!!! J
Calle 9B #19-48 Barrio Bretaņa (554 3214)
Nude massage w/handjob $12.000 for 1 girl or $15.000 for 2 girls
Any additional services can be negotiated individually w/the girls.
Smaller business w/only 5 girls, open 9am 8pm.
Calle 15 #21-78 Barrio Junin (557 8572)
$40.000/hour or $30.000/ ― hour on location, $60.000/hour if they come to you.
Chorizo
I didn't want to do this, but, I now see no choice.
I SHUN YOU!!
Ferolga
Antifreeze ... I've been reading your reports for some time now and I want to thank you for all the Cali info you've posted.
Chorizo ... let's just say ... you're one of those people that just don't get it. Chao!
Simple Man
Thank you for the information. It should come in handy. I like lists. It's just easier to print out and keep in you wallet.
Ferolga
Simple Man,
That list is Gold! Thank you. As soon as I'll be done with that colde of mine, I'll have to go and try the ones I did not know about in there.
Thank you again. The addresses are really great and makes it easy for us to check it out. I'll post reports on my experiences as I'll head there.
Freeze
Simple Man,
How about some heterosexual places?
antifreeze: hope you feel better soon my friend. i am sure you noticed that the list below includes the place that was recently raided for having **** providers.
all: several of these places are in dangerous areas far south of the river and far from the relative security of the zona norte (avenida sexta area). best to go in a group, do not wander about (just go straight from taxi to entrance where you will be frisked for weapons (most locals do carry a pistole)) and do not even consider it without good language ability. also, do not think you will get floresfrescas' or escort quality chicas for 30,ooo/hour at a southside casa. yes there is the odd gem to be found amongst the rhinestones but you will spend lots of time
and $ trying to find them.
chorizo: i hear there is an excellent brothel on the carretera sur about 20 minutes past jamundi but have never had the time to check it out personally. perhaps you could check it out and report back.
Travel Addict, What with your preoocupation with anal sex and snapping sex photos with your male buddies, its no surprise that you are confused regarding the meaning of heterosexual and homosexual. Let me help you out heterosexual is man-woman as opposed to homosexual man-man or woman-woman. I know that you might be a little upset and disappointed now that you realize that all of this homosexual marriage stuff in the news actually effects you. For that reason I suggest that you wait a few days before you break the news to you life partner (Let him enjoy the weekend at least.) Hey, by the way, nice tattoo.
hey surfer,
if you have specific information regarding some of the places on the list, why not give that information? as i said i just cut and pasted the list from an e-mail sent by a friend. if you have superior knowledge why not share it instead of speaking in generalities? as far as traveling around town looking into different casas i have done that several times myself, the only thing it has cost me is cab fare which is pretty cheap in cali. i have also found places that had hot 18-20 girls for $30,000cp, which information i have posted. if one of these places got busted for **** girls, then why not tell the rest of us so that we can avoid the place?
if the intent of your post was to share information then share it. if your intent was just to demonstrate your superior knowledge, then why bother?
as far as sending someone to a dangerous location, whatever the guy has written here doesn't justify that conduct.
Surfer,
This is the type of stuff that drives me nuts. How about some specifics? Which of those places on the list did you personally visit? How many women did they have? What was the price? Was there a cover? How much were the drinks? Did they allow the women to leave? Please give details.
Here are some freelance girls in Cali (all prices are in pesos):
Camila, Charges 70,000 per hour, cell phone 310-410 1332.
Angie, She is 20 years old and charges 80,000 per hr.. cell phone #315-568 2077
Daniela & Liliana , Charges 60,000 per hr. a threesome cell phone # 310-849 8430.
Jeimy, Charges 60,000 for each hr. of service.
Yessi, Charges 40,000/hour, cell Phone #310-418 8408.
Andy, 20 years old, charges 80,000 per hr. cell Phone # 315-555 9326.
Adriana, She charges 80,000 per hour for her services. Apparently she works out of an apartment near the Chipichape Mall.
Andrea, She charges 60K (However, she has a friend, Johana 18yrs old, who works with her and you can get a package deal both gals for 120,000.
Konny, She charges 80,000 pesos per hour. She also offers package deals: Her and one of her room mates for 130,000 or her and both of her roommates for 190,000. Allegedly they are all between the ages of 18-20yrs old.
Surfer
Would you like to visit Popayan with me? I hear that Kaliente has a sister Club there with 40+girls.
**This is a joke. Popayan is a very dangerous town. Chao.
Chorizo El Rey De Cali
Chorizo,
Nice report. I hope you can give us an extensive report on your next trip to Cali. I will definitely call some of these ladies in June, when I'm in Cali, and report back all details.
Surfer,
which of the places on Simple Mans list are unsafe? Why? Please let us know because, I was planning on printing the list and taking it with me on my next trip to Cali. Thanks.
Frijole,
"Cali" and "Safe" is a contradiction in terms. Especially after dark. Wherever you go after dark, take a taxi! I was in Cali for only 10 days and I saw 2 dead bodies: victims of gunshots!
There are SO MANY casas in Cali that it is difficult to recall the names of many that I have visited. While I recall a few of the names, many are a blur (there is almost never a sign with the name out front).
While the ones listed as an Avenida followed by Norte are North of the river and generally "safer" than the South side casas, even parts of the Zona Norte are iffy. For example, Calle 20 near Flores Frescas (the most upscale house in Cali) is WAY iffy unless you like thieves and travestis (which are both NUMEROUS in that area!). I would NEVER have exited the taxi in that area, and would CERTAINLY slouch down in the seat while passing to avoid attracting attention.
Except for RIGHT ON the Sexta (and then only busier sections), walking at night is STRONGLY DISCOURAGED by everybody. I do it between my hotel, antifreeze'office and the Sexta, but without carrying valuables and with GREAT caution. Local friends and taxistas discourage it though. The taxi drivers will generally know where to go and where not to go, but as a gringo you WILL stand out like a sore thumb ANYWHERE in Cali (except Hotel Inter where the marriage agencies are located).
Chorizo: Funny you mention Kaliente in Popayan because I HAVE been there and there was nowhere near 40 girls. HUGE facility (unlike Kaliente in Cali which is small), but ZERO customers and maybe 7 or 8 girls. I had other reasons to go. Traveling there by land is INSANE (one flight per day from Bogota on the airline run by the Colombian Airforce Satena). It is like a prison with all the security plus you cannot leave the city in ANY direction without crossing FARC roadblocks. Only for the VERY brave (or VERY stupid).
Sorry about the Jamundi comment. I really have no beef with you except that you sparred with my good friend Freeze who is one of the GOOD guys. In any event, I should NOT have suggested you take such a risk even in a joking fashion.
The point is that the risks in Cali are real, and you must ALWAYS know where you are and where you are going. Exploration, which I LOVE, is simply NOT a wise thing to do in Cali (or Medellin or Bogota or just about anywhere in Colombia save San Andres and Cartagena). While I generally view the State Department travel warnings as WAY overparanoid, on Colombia they got it preety close tro0 accurate (Cartagena and San Andres are the ONLY places reccomended for Americans to visit).
Thanks to all for the valuable information. The lists really come in handy for us who may be visiting Cali for the first time. Matter of fact, I copied and pasted a few of them already. From reading past reports, is it the consensus that Flores Frescas and Kaliente are the top two or are there others that are close in quality and quantity? Also, Simple Man mentionned a few escort agenices. Should consider these to be the best of Cali or are there others to consider. What about massage parlors or other options?
I have personally never been to Cali so I am pondering the possibility of going later this year. There is so much to consider. On one hand, I am hearing everyone in Cali carries a gun and that I would be roadkill if I walked around alone at night. On the other hand, I am truly fond of the Colombianas, and have already visited Panama City, Rio, and Buenos Aires. What will probably decide my fate is the daytime options. What do mongers do in Cali when they aren't mongering? Just chase non-pros or are there historical or cultural activities of interest? I am aware of Cali's reputation of being a salsa hotspot, but I don't know how to salsa.
Thanks again to all for the posts.
Termas Time
I will be in Cali from 28 May to 6 June. I will use the info that Simple Man and others have posted. Thanks for that guys. Is anyone in town around the same time and in the mood to go chica hunting? Send a pm.
I've been off to Europe and haven't visited this section in a while. I hope to visit Cali again soon but been so busy on other trips. Still, I have so many girls #'s from Cali now from Cybercupidos and Amigos.com that I need to get down there!
I read Antifreeze's post a few pages back. I agree with much of what he said. The internet is filled with a lot of wierdos and low lifes. WSG certainly isn't excluded from that fact. However, I really believe in the goodness of people. I have met some wierdos but luckily I've met more good guys that are just normal guys.
I met Antifreeze and he is a really good dude. I just hooked up with another guy in Prague that is a good guy. These boards are about sharing. At one time or another we were new and we came to this board and got some valuable information. If you have good information and you are willing to share it. Then by all means post it. Even if it's ATM information, restaurant info. Anything! That's my belief anyway.
If you don't like a post, just move on or ignore it. Stay safe all!
Hi Saint,
Long time no hear. last Time I heard you were going to somewhere in South America with a Girl from Colombia. You mention she might be Mrs. Saint. Did it happen and that is why we have not heard from you?
Welcome back buddy.
El Cubanito
El Cubanito,
Yes, I did spend 10 days in Peru with that girl. I was kind of kidding when I said she might be the next "Mrs. Saint" but I figured out that a model hot 20 year old that is uneducated and speaks no English gets kind of boring after a while. You can read about my adventures in the Lima/Cusco section of the Peru board.
I told her better to remain friends during the trip and that really pissed her off. She thought we were going to get married. Oh well. I haven't been in the USA much. You haven't heard from me on this board because I was too busy traveling in other parts of the world. Just got back from Amsterdam, Paris and Prague-Czech Republic where I also posted reports.
Good luck. I hope you're doing well.
Saint
ALL - FARC is out bombing the hell out of different areas of the country (Northwest Colombia (normally safer)). Many dead and many wounded.
This to celebrate the 40th anniversary of their start of the "war."
Please see the link below for the CNN story:
http://us.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/23/colombia.attack.ap/index.html
Good Luck and please be safe. Gringos are easy to spot and although that might help you with the ladies, it also makes you an easy target for the FARC.
$Bill
Here is some more info on the attacks:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/americas/05/24/colombia.40.years.ap/index.html
Please be safe!
$Bill
Dollar Bill you posted Farc attacks safety recommandations in ALL Colombian threads EXCEPT on Nibu's one : do you want him to be bombed :) ?
Cheers
Damn, you saw right through me. :-)
In reality - with over 50.000 WSG members + all the lurkers, the Nibu thread probably only gets read by 1 member (Nibu himself).
I read the CNN report. It did not detail the locations of the bombings. Did I miss something? Is there a monger in Colombia now that can eloborate? My friends in Medellin and Cali don't seemed to be too concerned with the bombings!
Correct me if I'm wrong but none of these bombings happened in mainstream cities that most of us going to Colombia would be in. Right? It's good to post information and newsreleases but it's also good to understand where those places are where violence is occurring.
Colombia is a wonderful country with the friendliest group of people you could ever know and arguably the most beautiful girls on the planet. It's worth the risk to me to visit and probably is worth it for most guys as long as they practice good common sense and stay out of "hot spots". Still, I don't want to downplay the violence there. I just think all of need to make a risk/reward decision.
Interesting! As I read this comfortably sitting at my computer in my office in more or less downtown Cali, a bomb went off... It seems to be downtown. I guess I'll need to listen to the news tonight.
Things are pretty rock'n'roll right now in Cali. Last week, 2 lawyers eating a pizza at Domino's pizza the next corner from my office were gunned down. There is a drug war, but also this government is serious about enforcing the law here. And, then there is that sad aniversary of 40 years of stupidity, selfishness and greed for the FARC. Last weekend in Jamundi, 6 persons were killed in gunfights. One of them being my brother in law's cousin (which was driving with another person that had questionable relations - making him pay the price of being at the wrong place at the wrong time).
Right now is a good time to really pay attention in Colombia. As the government gets tougher on crime (organized and not), these idiots are getting more desperate and some rocky times have to be survived while they go through their slow but secure death of their trade.
Peace. Freeze.
Saint -
Most of the Dickie Doo's DO go to Cartagena, which was mentioned in the reports. It is something that WSG members should know about before they read all the "Colombia is safe, it is worth the risk" comments from you and others. I posted this in almost all the Colombian boards on WSG to advise all interested in Colombia that there is stuff going on and to be safe.
While I have traveled to Colombia and felt relatively safe, I also knew the risks prior to going.
Last August, when I was last there, I saw a shoot out when some guy punched a lady and knocked her off her moto-scooter, and some "good citizen" chased him down Av. Sexta shooting at him. I watched this all from my balcony at the Hotel Don Jaime, but I or any other monger could have been on the street at the time and been in the action.
I love Colombia and "her" people. You are 100% right when you said that the majority of the people are the friendliest in the world. But they are that friendly to put a "good" face on Colombia. A small percentage of the Narco's & Farc assholes have hurt the reputation in the world's eyes of this beautiful country and most Colombian's are embarrassed by this.
I love reading your (Saint) reports and this is not a personal attack on you, but I want to make sure those other members that also love your reports, know that THERE IS A BIGGER RISK OF BEING IN THE WRONG PLACE AT THE WRONG TIME IN COLOMBIA than in the US. Shit does happen there that you probably won't see in Anytown, USA.
Freeze - sorry to read about the security issues so close to home. Stay safe!
$Bill
Bill & Freeze: Somebody visits for a week, survives without witnessing any incidents, then tell the World that Cali is as safe as Dallas. It is not (as YOU guys know). These same people get GFE from 10s whereever they go too and tons of freebies from models.
Maybe some are blessed by God, but the rest of us mere mortals DO need to be aware of the risks and take reasonable precautions to minimize them (or we need Mrs. Freeze to keep us out on violent incidents like a certain UGLY incident that Freeze will recall while we dined on the Sexta a few months back).
I once read a post about an Eastern European Airline that had a HORRIBLE safety record (they ALL do!). Some guy responded that he saw one of their planes land safely, so he concluded the airline (it was not aeroflot but Bulgarian or something) was just as safe as Lufthansa or British Airways. Because you survive a game of russian roulette do you conclude it is no more dangerous than a game of cards?
EVERYBODY must make his own determination of what level of risk of violence he is prepared to accept to chase skirt. Relying on someone else's opinion, especially someone with very limited knowledge, is dangerous indeed. Would you walk across traffic on a bust freeway because some guy just crossed and said "Go ahead, it is fine, I made it no problem"?
And if you DO rely on somebody's careless opinion that all is fine, and then you do get kidnapped by FARC or ELN or AUC, you think the guy who said "don't sweat it" is going to pay your ransom money out of his own pocket? And ransom payments for gringos are, from what I hear, generally six figures (in DOLLARS, not pesos).
I've been lucky too in my visits, Knock on wood!!!!!!!, but I CERTAINLY would not be so irresponsible as to tell everybody else not to worry about the risks in "The World's Kidnapping Capital". It got that name FOR A REASON!
Surfer's advice is exact. We should all read and note the situations in Colombia. The reality is all mongers are at risk no matter where we go. If you think you're safer in Tijuana, Panama City, or San Jose, think again.
I have traveled to Cali several times and Medellin once. I've never seen Farc or any other terror organization. The crimes I saw were not different from what I experienced growing up in SC- Los Angeles. However, Surfer is correct, these are just one person's experiences and yes, I've been "lucky".
However, I think the women of Colombia are worth the risk. What makes Cali and Medellin so great is there is no influx of "gringos". Encouraging an influx of "gringos" may damage an oasis. There will always be a high level of danager in Cali and this board only provides information, not common sense.
Hi All,
I am a new poster here but have been traveling to Cali for the last Four years so I know the city very well. Surfer and Antifreeze are 110% correct in what they are saying about the safety issues in Cali.
Like surfer says and no offense to Saint and others but you guys that go down to Cali for 10-14 days without seeing any violence and then come back and post on the board that Cali is as safe as any US city are really misleading the board. I thought the same thing you did until I was standing in line to get in a club and a guy walked up, pulled a gun out of his pants and blew the Colombian guy standing 2 feet next to me in line away.
Or the three seperate incedents on different trips where someone tried to mug me while returning to the Windsor Plaza hotel, or the time I was in Mission and someone threw grenades into Mission trying to assasinate the owner of the club.
These are the only things that have personaly happened to me, but I am sure people that have lived in Cali long enough have experienced other things themselves.
I love Cali, and I still go all the time, but all of you who think that Colombia is as safe as your average US city need to think again. Surfers post really says it all.
Actually this is more Medellin specific, but it relates to this subject.
I've been pretty much living in Colombia for about 2 years now ... about 1year in Cali, about 1 year and a half in Medellin now.
I still travel for my work though which takes me out of Colombia.
Bottom line ... Colombia is dangerous ... an inexperienced or unguarded or foolish or unlucky person could get get in lots of trouble.
In Medellin ... not too long ago ... going to my girlfriend's house ... I witnessed a band of boys (teens) assasinate another kid ... point blank.
I saw the kid laying in his blood, I saw the ambulance come pick him up, I saw the cops come and every witness said "I saw nothing" for fear of retribution.
My girlfriend said this happens a lot ... when the "boys" don't like someone ... they get rid of them. They bring the soldiers in when it gets too bad ... to patrol the streets.
My Colombian friends tell me Cali is worse than Medellin ...
I live very 'low key' in Colombia ... make a lot of friends ... zero enemies.
Colombian chicas are awesome but ... for those who aren't very experienced ... it may be best to stay in Cartagena ... San Jose, etc.
Yes, true ... chances are nothing will happen to you ... but just keep in mind ... no matter what anyone says on this board ... It DEFINITELY can be DANGEROUS ... FARC or no FARC ...
Always watch your back.
Suerte!
Jman: The incident you described would have scared the bejesus out of me and I don't know if I would return if that had happened 2 feet from where I was standing. And that incident had NOTHING to do with FARC, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that just about every guy in Colombia packs heat as there are no CCW laws that I know of.
Ricker: Some say Medellin is iffier (though if you stay JUST in Poblado it SEEMS safer than Cali IMHO), others say Cali. In Medellin I was warned PARTICULARLY about staying off the hillsides (except Las Palmas/HatoViejo/Transversal area ).
BOTH are markedly more dangerous than Cartagena to be sure.
Adultj: The FARC rarely conduct VISIBLE operations in cities (like gangs of guys in fatigues running around with guns like they do out in the campos). You will NEVER SEE IT! That does NOT mean they are not clandestinely planting bombs or kidnapping wealthy people.
adultj
I very much liked something you said:
"this board only provides information, not common sense."
A true disclaimer.
Ferolga
I'm NOT saying Colombia is as safe as the USA. (And I never did). Use your best judgement. I'll still go back. Until I hear the day that Surfer or other doom and gloom naysayers gets kidnapped and FARC is taking up a collection for him I'll continue to travel there.
Antifreeze, sorry to hear about your brother in law. I think you were honest to point out that he was with someone with questionable relations. I think much of the violence would fall in this category. Still, Colombia is not the same as going to some other places we go.
I think Ricker's post is realistic. Yes, chances are nothing will happen to you if you are smart and not making an ass out of yourself. Still, bad things can happen. Common sense always prevails. Be careful and have fun.
Saint
Been reading the Colombian postings for a while now and have paid attention to all the warnings.
Wonder if some of the regulars in this forum can tell me whether an asian will stand out in Colombia. Maybe even tell me which cities are most tourist-friendly (relative to the other cities in that country) and which are the least friendly.
Thanks in advance for all the great postings.
Yos
Surfer,
It did freak me out for several days and made me realize how fast someone can kill you. He was so close ( point blank range) I thought he had shot me for a second because it all happened so fast. When the police came they just threw his body into the back of a police truck. I thought they would ask me or somebody else for a description of the guy or what happened but they said nothing and didn't care to know either. I went back to the same club a few days later and found out it was over a girl. (of course!!)
If someones going to kill you its generally over one or more of three things. A woman, Drugs, or money. Sure, Colombians in general are some of the friendliest people you will meet, but its a paradox and It took a while for me to realize it but to many human life means very little here.
I remeber about a year ago I was having an ongoing problem with this other gringo down here, and I was explaining it to a Colombia friend to get advice about what to do about it and his first suggestion to me is" why dont you just have him killed?" I thought he was screwing around at first but he was serious and so I asked him about it and he said for many In Colombia this is the Colombian way.
Surfer, I am not a doom or gloom naysayer at all, I am living her off and on now so until I get killed or kidnapped I will keep coming back. I like you, used to think all of this stuff people used to say was BS, until I started to see it. I remeber on some of my first trips down here my Colombian friends were always warning me to not do this, or not do that, or dont go there its dangerous yada yada yada etc etc. I thought jeez, these Colombians are some of the most cowardy people on earth! Well once I started to witness some of the stuff they were talking about I understood what they were talking about and why they were concerned.
They live here 365 days a year and we dont. hey see all the crazy shoot puts and killings we dont see. Once I started to see it, I became a lot more aware of how very dangerous Colombia can be.
As far as which is more dangerous, Cali or Medellin, I am not really sure. I have visted Medellin several times and it is a nice city, but for the people alone for me Cali is a better choice.
Jman,
Thanks for your honesty. Despite loving the country and its women, I HATE the culture of violence, and how cheap life is down there. But it is what it is, and, like everywhere, has its pros & cons.
Next trip to Cali the drinks are on me (and keep your head down man!).
Anyone in New York looking for a travel partner, I plan to go for the first time.
Please pm me,
Thanks
The single most important rule in Colombia (living or visiting): DO NOT MAKE ANY ENEMIES.
It is as simple as that. If someone wants you out of the circuit of the living, it is cheaper to get that done than to get a new TV. And I am not kidding. It is literally cheaper...
Be safe.
Freeze
Freeze,
Last time I asked around it would run you about $100 to have someone knocked off, depending on the hit man and hit of course. Not that I would ever need one or think about anything like that, but it is good to know what your life is worth. For us Gringos they would probably do it for fifty bucks!
There was something on the news tonight in Cali about nine hundred and sixty some homicides in Cali to date this year. That breaks down to about 5-6 a day, so there are going to be a lot of dead folks at the end of the year.
Compare that homicide rate to a city of the same size 2.5-3 million people in the States, and you will see how Colombia is a much more violent country in General then the US.
Surfer that sounds great and thanks for the good advice!
Yossarian99,
There are quite a few Asians in Cali... I have seen several walking the streets of Cali, mostly around the Sexta, but I am sure there are more in other parts of the city. Most are either Chinese or Japanese, as there are several resteraunts of this type in Cali owned and operated by Asians.
As far as the safest city in Colombia, the safest ones that I know of would probably be Cartagena, Barenquilla, Santa Marta, or San Andres. These cities are on the coast and San Andres is an Island off the Coast of Nigaragua. These are more tourist friendly spots but there may be other citys that others could recommend.
My friends:
That is the key. Mind your own business, have fun, and enjoy life. Just do NOT get involved in any good samaritan. Walk away from any arguments, fights. If you like a lady, talk to her but do not be pushy.
The best thing you can do is WALK AWAY.
I know I am not a "Senior Member", but with all due respect, this is the World Sex Guide. Where are the sex details? We should not beat a dead horse. Unless there is a Calena who is a 10, but is performs a gfe.
I was in Colombia for 3 weeks and was rolled twice. That's 2 times more than I've ever been robbed. In Cali, a gang of teenagers tackeled me right on the main street at around 8p. In Bogota, gun to the temple. The women are even more beautiful than in Brazil. But, they are not always as they seem. The culture is that robbing another person, as long as its not family or recent friend, is actually a matter of pride, something to brag about. Be careful!
Hi my friends:
I will be in Cali from June 18 to 21 for a break, coming from Bogota.
If any Gringo is around at that time, we could experience both daylife and nighlife in Cali. Please let me know.
Best,
LDP
I am propbably going to be there during this period so if you want to meet for a beer private message me.
Happy C
Jman,
Thanks for the information.
I've been wanting to visit Columbia for some time now. I'm on the fence now, but will probably check it out in November, when the weather down there is nicer and the FARC violence subsides.
Thanks to all the posters, as well.
Yoss
adultj-
With all due respect to you, there is A LOT of sex information in the 45 pages of this thread. READ IT and most of the information is still accurate.
We need to include safety information for our Mongering Brothers, don't we? Or would you prefer someone getting hurt?
$Bill
HarryDho,
You are right about some of the women not always being as they seem. It took me about 3-4 months of living in Cali to figure it out, but Colombian women are some of the best con artists on earth!!! I love them, but I have met some that will lead you on like you wouldn't believe just to get a free frisky chicken dinner out of you.
That's one thing you have to respect about the girls back in the States, they either like you or they dont. They have their own money and aren't going to BS you and waste their time on you just so you will take them to Chipi-Chapi and buy them a pair of shoes. With many of the girls down here its the exact opposite.
I love to read the reports of the guys that come down and are spending all of this money left and right on all the girls, taking them dancing, drinking, shopping, out to Restaurants, etc etc. and then hear them gloat "I had so many 10's calling me and wanting to see me and have sex with me that I couldn't even see them all blah blah blah" REALLY? Geez I wonder why? Could it be that a lot of these girls dont have a nickel, and would go out with the Elephant man in order to have something to do?NGO!
The guys that take the *****s out for all of the above and think they are their girlfriends are even delusional.
I can understand this because the same thing happened to me when I came down. I was going out every night with a different girl, blowing all this coin on the girls, and had more girls calling my apartment then I know what to do with, and since I was used to dating back in the States I really thought all of these girls were in love with me!!! Girls in the States dont call you or want to see you or go out with you unless they really are interested. Here, its a whole different ball game, and after living a few months you start to understand it.
Well a least I'm glad that the subject of safety was brought up, I've always been aware of how truly dangerous colombia can be if your not aware of whats really happening. One thing that you have to be aware of is that there are FARC in every aspect of colombian life, in the country side, in the city, taxi driver, professor, banker, you name it. I'm not trying to scare anyboby just making people aware of your surrounding. I lived in cali for about 10 months and been visiting since 1998 till present. Enjoy when you go just be careful, talk to the locals they can be a great asset when it come to safety, somebody like antifreeze and other guys that have been in cali for a while.
I don't want to overblow the issue again about ATMs (I know some people think it's been overkilled) but things changed since then.
1) ServiBanca is now down again to 300 000 (useless).
2) The only one that provides more than that is Bancolombia (choose the other amounts when asked, and it allow 400 000 as a maximum).
Let's continue and leave banks rob our money and treat us as we're completely clueless. I truly hate banks. Howcome they allow us to do up to 3 withdrawls of 400 000, one after the other (and charge us $3 USD each time) and then tell us that lower limit is to help keep an inventory of their $$$ in the ATMs. BS! I need to find a way out of that scam. Working on it!
Freeze
Anitifreeze,
You leave me clueless. I'm really at a loss to understand your report.
In a previous report (with evidence attached) I already stated that withdrawals of up to COL$ 2000K were possible WITHIN the bank!
If you need more than that amount (unwise, unless you're you REALLY need the dough now and then, but then again no need to tell this to a Cali veteran) make your withdrawals AT THE COUNTER of different banks. Just DON'T USE the ATMs.
Antifreeze
Just so we all get this right, ServiBanca is now down again to 300 000. WOW
And. The only one that provides more than that is Bancolombia. Wow.
Keep us posted.
One shouldn't ruin this board by discussing useless topics like chicks and stuff!
Thanks
PanamaJack
Dear friend, I will get Colombia the next month.
I have a week only for having fun.
Can you tell me if it is easier to find a beatiful girl friend in Cali or Medellin (not prostitute for a week)?
What town do you like more?
Thanks
Chorizo: Since your apparent reason for reading the boartd is to be titliated, why not buy a Playboy or Penthouse forum or something?
El Culion: I agree you are "clueless", but I disagree that it is Antifreeze's fault. You seem to have GREAT difficulty grasping the concept freeze is trying to explain, namely, how to get cash in Colombia while minimizing bank fees. Your suggestion "just go in the lobby . . ." is indicative of your ignorance of the critical fact that such a transaction would result in getting the INDIVIDUAL foreign exchange rate, as opposed to the ATM exchange rate which is AT LEAST 5% higher. If you want to give your money to banks, PLEASE do (means you'll spend less days in Colombia!!!!), but don't flame freeze for trying to help those with more intelligence than money to waste. Also, I recall you startying this whole ATM topic by making FALSE statements about being able to make large withdrawals . . . .
To everybody ELSE: DO take EVERYTHING you read on this board with more than a grain of salt as there are MANY here who know little, yet purport to be experts. On EVERYTHING from El Culion's misinformation about ATM limits and bank fees, to Saint's "opinion" that Cali is no more dangerous than any other city, use your own COMMON SENSE before relying on ANYTHING written on this board.
Surfer,
I have plenty of stuff to read and laugh about (primarily your worthless posts). I especially like the Cartagena posts where someone called you a pompous ass (nothing could be more true). Speaking of know-it-all-pricks I guess you would be the authority on that particular issue. Case in point, EL CULION mentioned in his posts that it is better to do one in branch transaction rather than several ATM transactions. Well I dont know for sure but, every country Ive ever traveled to will give you the same exchange rate whether you use the ATM or their in branch services. Furthermore, it would seem to make more sense that it would be cheaper to take the hit on one in branch transaction rather than get nailed each time you use the ATM (Im no math wiz).
Im tired of reading about this ATM crap. Ultimately this only affects Antifreeze because, he lives there. As for the rest of us, well if the ATM charges are going to cause us to cut our trip short then perhaps, going on a trip was a mistake.
Chorizo "EL REY DE CALI"
foxeshunter,
I absolutely love cali for "las Caleņas", don't really know medellin that well, been across paisas her in panama, both of this places have beautiful girls you can't really go wrong. Anyway I'm really not a monger per say, but I think now that I'm getting a divorce from my caleņa, I'm going to have much more time on my hands to do whatever the hell I want without someboby breeding down my back. Oh I forgot to tell you, if you want non-pro learn some spanish it would help, good luck.
Surfer,
Firstly: it was never my intention to flame Antifreeze. I was just mentioning MY personal experience.
Secondly: the one who's offensive is YOU, using words and phrases like "difficulty grasping", "ignorance", "more intelligence than money to waste" etc. Makes you feel quite an erudite chap, doesn't it? Thinking that the only truth is your truth notwithstanding the experience of others.
Thirdly: I pay the SAME RATE and the SAME CHARGES for either ATM or over-the-counter withdrawals. I use a European Visa card and therefore can't account for this (American?) practice of different rates, assuming that it is TRUE(??) what you state. I've never been charged ANYTHING by Colombian banks for making withdrawals.
Fourthly: It was not ME who started this thread. My initial comment to this topic was a reaction to YOUR post of 05-05-04.
Fifthly: I've NEVER claimed to be an expert on ANYTHING. I've been travelling to Cali since 1992, my novia is Caleņa and I visit Colombia at least twice a year but have never claimed to be any expert.
Discussion closed!
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it easier to read a report if the paragraphs are separated by a single blank line.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key TWICE at the end of each paragraph, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
Chorizo,
<One shouldn't ruin this board by discussing useless topics like chicks and stuff!>
I am surprised that, with your social skills being so well developed, a girl would even spend any time talking with you. I hope, for your own good, that you do not speak Spanish if you come to Colombia. That way, maybe you'll have a day or two more of wetting your pants in front of a girl that will shortly figure out how stupid and empty you are. If you're lucky, maybe she'll be herself stupid enough to fall in love with your passport or money. You'll then have found your soul mate.
Chorizo: You are the lowest within the lowests. Keep on diggin...
Hey Antifreeze,
I can understand that the bank fees are a real issue to you as you live in Colombia and have stated that you spend around $150 a month in bank fees. But it seems to me that if you are spending that much it would be worth your while to either open a local account or take a trip and transfer your money into a bank that has their own ATM's there, like CitiBank for example. It would seem that either of these alternatives would solve your problem.
The banks are providing a service, allowing you to withdraw funds in a foriegn country and outside of their network. This means that you don't have to carry a wad of cash with you when you travel. They are obviously not going to provide this service for free. Further, considering the average income in Colombia the 200k and 400k amounts probably satisfy the majority of their customers.
SURFER you are a POMPOUS ASS. The sole purpose of all of your reports is to simply insult someone and point out how brilliant you think you are, you share no actual information with anyone. After I responded to one of your posts in another section, I was PM'ed by several members that told me your first trip to Colombia was March 2003 and that prior to that trip you asked for info from all of them and then came back and declared yourself a Colombia expert. It seems to me that the last paragraph of your last post may well be autobiographical.
Now I am not an expert in Colombian banking, but here in Mexico the exchange rate posted on the window in the bank is the rate you get at the teller or at the ATM. Further, if you withdraw money from the ATM in a foriegn country in addition to the ATM charge you will pay a foriegn currency conversion fee. So in all likelihood using the ATM will cost you more than the alleged 5% you are losing by going to the teller. Before you go around accusing others of being ignorant maybe you should waste some of your impressive intelligence and obtain some facts. Finally, if a $3.00 ATM fee is going to cause you to cut your trip short, then maybe you shouldn't have taken the trip.
Quoting SimpleMan from some weeks back: "I think that Antifreeze's post actually speaks for a number of the posters, who apparently think that they are somehow better than everyone else."
Freeze can speak for himself, but I would say not better than "everyone else", but CERTAINLY better than an ignorant simpleton like yourself and your jew-bashing [I am not Jewish but I AM Offended by such bigotry] partner in stupidity Chorizo (AKA "El Rey de Cali"; court jester is more like it).
Freeze has contributed more to this board than just about anybody, yet YOU and your ilk criticize him for trying help guys avoid wasting money on ATM fees. Frankly, why he continues to try and help people here is beyond me given the "appreciation" received from people like Simpleman & Chorizo.
El Culion: Perhaps bank fees in Europe are different, but Freeze has lived in Cali for several years and is a VERY intelligent guy. Therefore, I give more credence to his statements on the issue than to yours (or others who do NOT live there). If your comment to freeze "you leave me clueless" was not meant as a flame towards him, I apologize for my flame directed at you.
Surfer, Simple Man,
I do not have a problem on this board with anyone else than Chorizo and Mojo Raising (which blessed us with his absence). Simple Man, I feel, was not offline in his message and has the right not to understand an issue that is not his. He is cordial, and as far as I can tell, well-intentioned.
I withdraw between 3 and 4 million every month here in Cali. That makes me a bit special in the sense that I do not have only the typical tourist issues to deal with (it's rare that a tourist will need so much money). On the other end, my initial message posted a couple of days ago was fairly straight forward (here's the situation change - and I even apologized for the people that believe that it's not the right forum for such message). I kept it short and sweet not to offend anyone, but still to communicate the RELEVANT information. Hopefuly the people that are affected by that issue will appreciate the information when needed, for the others, just go on an continue talking about the women.
Peace, on earth, but let's start with this board and Colombia.
Freeze
Surfer,
My quote, used by you, was in response to Antifreeze's post which reads as follows:
"WSG is filled with narrow minded, uneducated, selfish and rude people trying to find their way through unattainable happiness by traveling to Colombia and meeting with a lady that they wouldn't deserve in a thousand years. I personaly decided to stop posting on WSG since there are too many of these sub-humans that do not deserve any help whatsoever to travel."
Antifreeze then responded on his own behalf. My latest post to Antifreeze stated that I understood his concern with the bank fees and was a suggestion of how he may solve his problem and did not bash him in any way. I further stated my opinion as to why the banks charge the fees.
Some reading and comprehension exercises may really pay off for you in the long run.
I did however bash your pompous self-glorifying ass. You contribute absolutely nothing to this board other than insulting comments and being hyper-critical of whatever anyone else posts. You claim to have knowledge but never share any of it. There is no actual information contained in any of your posts.
Further, I have never made a "jew-bashing" comment or any other racial slurr on this board. I understand that you are left with few alternatives on how to respond to my comments directed at you because the truth is very difficult to avoid.
Attempting to group me with anti-semetic comments which were made by others, however, is a pretty weak dodge, even for a self-absorbed ass like yourself. Simply because someone else is tired of your BS does not make them my partner.
I would suggest that, when confronting an ignorant simpleton like myself, you put a little more effort into your response. Otherwise you may come off as even more ignorant than the simpleton you are trying to attack.
Quoting from myself earlier in the day: "SURFER you are a POMPOUS ASS."
Oh by the way nice back track on the 'El Culion" insults. Amazing how the facts don't support your position yet again.
Just this simpleton's opinion.
SimpleMan,
OK, I am a pompous ass. Now can you quit cluttering the board with your longwinded (and repetitive) diatribes?
For the record, I am VERY helpful to those culturally sensitive travelers who I believe will not further erode the goodwill towards gringos like happened long ago in Mexico, Costa Rica etc. Unfortunately, I find that this group is in the minority on this public board (and many others as well). Freeze has met more WSGers than I, I do try and post about travel, safety and logistics issues (like which ATMs offer higher limits-sorry if you find that unimportant), but do not post lists of casas or phone numbers of good independents which I've found. The lists might encourage people to go to unduly dangerous areas, casas come and go as does the relative talent. Taxistas have MUCH more current info on the best casas than these types of regurgitated lists anyway.
simpleman: somebody just posted this in the bogota folder:
if you try exchanging cash you'll pretty quickly learn you're being raped by those guys - you can get much better rates from the atm, though you'll be limited to 400k per transaction.
maybe you should "correct" him too.
I do not recall who listed Las Professionales at http://ikari.vosn.net/~lasprofe//english_version.htm . This is an incredible site that has some of the most beautiful girls in Cali. I chose Margarita for 200,000 ($80) WOW!!! Smokin hot.
I travel all over S.America for over 30 years and have been mongering all that time. It is so good down here, that I am moving to Quito, if anyone has info on some contact numbers there please let me know.
WGM is a great site, wish I had found it sooner.
I would appreciate any info available on Istanbul, Turkey. I am going there on monday for 2 weeks. Would like to find the "Right place" to unwind & relax.
Anti freeze,
I found a place where chicks charge from 5 to 8 dollars an hour, it's located downt town where truck drivers go after being so long on the road, you can knock out the price to 3 dollars, they are very flexible on prices, the address is calle 8 # 13C-10
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FYI:
I have someone in Cali right now that came with travelers checks and US cash. We've been all afternoon yesterday running around to get that changed to Colombian pesos. I tell you, it's quite a mess. First the banks won't even change the US currency if you don't have an account with them. Western Union won't change the US currency if you don't have an account with them either. How odd is that? My wife ended up finding a place that can change both US currency and travelers checks, but you have to show up between 8:30 AM and 11:30 AM. I'll post the details when I'll have them.
All that to say that Cali is truly not a turist friendly city. Your best bet to have access to your money is still the ATM.
Freeze
Antifreeze,
Did you try the Casa de Cambio in the Colseguros Building in Plaza de Caicedo or the one in Edifício Carvajal on Cra 4 con 13?
Hey anybody know where I can find an ATM with cheap fees in Cali?
Hey, does anyone know a good butcher?
Chuponalgas -
Try Jeffrey Dahmer.
Aegis911
Hi,
Only mongered in Bogota, so am curious. is Cali a lot different. lookswise, price wise, time wise, attitude wise, etc..?
My best friend is actually marrying one from Bogota. That should be interesting! And I introduced them!
By the way, if any of you fellow mongerers want to get down there cheaply, I have tons of miles leftover from my business travels that I can unload for a price much cheaper than a ticket from Travelocity or from your travel agent. It works especially well for people coming from the northern states. It works best for those with flexible schedules. Sooo, if your costs to go to Cali or other cities in Colombia are $700 or more, I can save you a bundle. This way I can get rid of my accrued miles and you can quit getting hosed for a trip to Colombia, especially since Colombia seems to be one of the more expensive countries to go to down there.
Just private message me if interested.
Bill12
This board is exclusively for ATM talk. Take your chick talk elsewhere.
Now where were we? Oh, yeah I like the green ATM's they give great p4p.
I went back to la casa del doctor Amor today and the place is way better than a couple of months ago. There are about 20-30 girls in each house, and there are now 2 of them. So, the place is well staffed, each room has been renovated and has its own bathroom and shower, and the prices are still unbeatable (25.000 per half-hour).
I'm sorry that I don't have the address in memory, it's on this board somewhere. It by El Rio (Avenida 2 Norte) where all the casas are.
Also, I went to Flores Frescas a couple of times last month. There are so many beautiful girls in there, they don't know where to put them anymore. The show is just plain amazing. And then, when you go in a room with one of the girls, she really makes you feel special.
Living in Cali is just great! You should all be jealous...
Freeze
last time I was at the "Love Dr. " most of the girls were below average, chunky, tatooed. Because I was a gringo (I think) the mater de put me behind the door so I could see the girls before they presented to the Colombians. Most of them were rough in their talk and appearance, some just tired.
I was able to find a diamond in the rough and for the price, it is a great value casa. There were only fans in the rooms and we sweated like pigs.
Hey Freeze, Glad to hear La Clinica is regaining some talent as it was horrid last time we went. I am taking a break from Colombia until October or November and am soon going back to SE asia for first time in 2 years. Cuidate compadre.
Hey Antifreeze,
Thanks for rubbing it in, you lucky bastard.
Stay safe and have fun.
I brought my brother to Flores Frescas yesterday. After winning about the fact that 15.000 pesos was pretty steep for an entry price (he's pretty close his hard earned money), we went in.
He saw the girls and could not believe how many beautiful ones are in there. Then the show began (3 part show this time). He said that he never saw anything like this and truly enjoyed it. My brother traveled a lot and he is a quite a sex-traveler. He went to Tailand and tried the pump station there, he lived in China for 2 years and got some communist chicks a lot, he lived in Taiwan and Cambodia also. Although he did not use the services of any, it will be a night he'll remember.
I used the services of Melissa. What a little jewel she is. She doesn't have the best body around, but God do walls and ceiling move when we're at it!!! Prices are 100.000 pesos for an half-hour for the ones who do not know.
I preveiously tried Brigitte a week or so ago. She is just a 10. She's a black hair, beautiful smile, perfect body kind of girl that I like. She studies to be a paramedic. A lot of guys a just intimidated by so much beauty that they don't even approach her. I know the feeling, I've been there. But then I did approach her after a couple of glasses of rhum. The thing that is scary with so much beauty, is that us men are programed to chase it, not to have it. What do you do when you go and sleep with a 10, you turn around and die (Surfer, you know what I mean). What is left to chase, just reproducing the same experience since it truly can't get better than a 10 in your bed that actually performs well and enjoys it. And that's excactly what I got then.
Anyhow, just a quick message from the south. Take care.
Freeze
Hey Antifreeze- nice post.
I am little puzzled. These woman at Flores Frescas are apparently quite beautiful and have some brains. They aren't working for $25K-$40K pesos at La Clinica and other joints. Why is it they cannot find men in Colombia to be with and take care of them. I mean when you go to this club and elsewhere there sure is a lot of $$ flying around. There are many men in Colombia that have $$. I see it in the Casinos and clubs (dance and social) I am totally lost why these girls do not home in on a guy with $$ to take care of them. Any comments.
Happy C
Happy C,
This is the miracle or the tragedy related to Colombia (depending on your point of view). The typical Colombian man is an idiot that I get to understand more over the years living here. Why commit to one when you can have so many of them? I would do exactly what they are doing if I'd live all my life in Colombia. You do not have to show much commitment to a Colombian woman for her to open up to a relationship. Although a lot of them know how foreigners are (and are not as 'easy' with them - sometimes even stating that they won't have any relationship prior to marrying), the fact on the matter is that they are pretty fast to open up.
Provided that, they are little jewels that can and want to commit for the most part. But their environment do not allow for that. I think that Colombian men are perfect for american women, we should negociate a swap...
My choices would be easy if I'd abstract from kids. Altough the playing fields are a lot of fun in Colombia, explaining to my son in 10-15 years that he was prevented from his father because of a dick that can't control hisself wouldn't be an experience that I look forward to.
So, in response to that I zip it up and fight my male nature (while most Colombian men don't).
Freeze
Happy C,
Good question. Let my try and address it, and add to what Freeze said. First, Colombian men are not the most faithful people in the world. Neither would I be if I lived there! They are famous for just having girlfriends, or having a wife and then having girlfriends on the side. Secondly, some men have a lot of money, but very few in the whole scheme of things. And the middle class is small, yet growing. So in a land where there are so many great looking women, there really aren't enough "good" men to go around! Add to that that many many of the working girls have kids, and trust me, no Colombiano wants to marry a woman with kids.
I know you are shocked why they have to do such work. So was I. But when you consider the above factors AND the fact that finding a job in Colombia is hard, and even when they do it doesn't pay much, I guess that sums up why it is such a crazy situation down there.
Many times I have thought that I wanted to take one of them home, and I think most of them would jump at the chance, but I would have major qualms about bringing a 10 back to my city, if you know what I mean! But that's another topic! I have heard of several guys "keeping" a woman down there, but that too is another subject!
Ciao,
Bill
(By the way, if anyone is interested, I have a ton of frequent flyer miles leftover from my business flying. It takes 35,000 miles for a round trip flight to Colombia. I can offer them to you cheaper than you can get a regular ticket, PLUS they are good for a FULL year and any changes are FREE. If you have flexibility in booking, feel free to "private message" me for more info. They are especially valuable for those who live in the northern states, but also for anyone who want to be able to change their flying dates. I do this on a friend to friend basis only, and only for guys going to Colombia)
Antifresse you wrote:
The typical Colombian man is an idiot. I don't think so I think we are idots at least I am I have fallen for scams and have been played by Colombian women that I thought I was going to get married to. I think these men are pretty smart because they practice the three F's Find, Fork and Forget. They even forget their own children. How is this biologicaly possible to have a kid and have no contact with the child. These guys are cold. I wish I could be like that.
Bill,
Thanks for your comments.
I guess the men are decitful don't you think the woman are equally decitful. They would drop your ass for more $$ in a new york minute or maybe just add you to their list of suckers. I understand that a lot Colombian woman have several men taking care of them does anyone have any experience with this and when the guy finds out how do you deal with this. Chalk it up as experience. I am tried of having these experiences (Ha Ha)
Happy C
HappyC,
You have just hit upon the age old history of the species! That men want variety and will pay for it, and women want security and will charge for it! Men want hotter chicks and women want guys with more to offer. It is a wonder the institution of marriage even exists in this environment. Wait, it is almost defunct anyway!
Anyway, yes, you are right that there are some girls that are being "kept" by more than one American guy. But guys make their choice in this matter and volunteer to do it. I have friends who meet some lady but don't want her up here...either because he's married, or because of the visa hassles, or because he doesn't want to subject her to the wolves and feminists up here. So he "keeps" her down there. If she strays, it's his own fault. One way to limit this is to meet a "good" girl and not a pro.
By the way, it does happen with Colombian men who are involved with women a lot, because the Colombian men don't give her enough to live on, they only give her small amounts, so she needs to find other contacts.
So I guess you can either play this game...or just rent them and forget them! I must admit my upbringing makes this hard to do. I always think the best of people. I always think I can change them. And in Colombia, where most of them are just doing it out of desperation, it is such a different situation than here. I even have a friend who is marrying a "bad" girl from down there.
Happy C,
The Entire sentence that you refer to reads as the following: "The typical Colombian man is an idiot that I get to understand more over the years living here."
It should maybe have read more like: "The typical Colombian man is an idiot that I get to be more like over the years while living here."
The fact on the matter, is that although I can't forget about my son, if I could redo my life in the Colombian environment, I would not get married (or get married for the papers - pay a girl 100.000 pesos per month to get married to me and then leave me alone with my visa that allows me to stay in Colombia without restrictions).
I would then be able to play the game like they do.
Take care,
Freeze
Freeze,
You don't even have to get married down there, though it isn't a bad idea! Many people apply for a type of visa that allows you to live there. I think it is called a pensioners visa or something like that. With the right amount of income and/or assets, it's easy to get the visa.
Bill
Hey Bill,
Thanks for your report.
I find it interesting that they are many girls that are poor but they don't ho. I think the ones that do ho may be deperate but you are right, its diffcult to change a person with no self respect. I think once a ho always a ho, does not matter what country you're in. I have meet very deperate girls in Colombia that even speak English that have had no work for several years, and I allways wonder why they did not go into the profession. The other issue is deattachment from these woman. What a wonderful characteristic to have, I must say I suffer in this department I am sucker because I always believe in people, until I find out different. Its easy to spot golddiggers but there are a lot of very smart woman that use reverse physciology and these woman are much harder to read. I almost married a 'bad' girl and I feel for your friend. I hope he knows what he's doing. Have a great weekend and be happy I know I am going to Summer time here in the north.
Happy C
Freeze,
You can also set up a subsidary US company in Colombia and get a residency permit as the indivdual who is going to run the company in Colombia. If you don't have a company buy a shell or register a company in the Bahamas or some other tax free island like St Martin, Caymans etc. that wll also work. You need a Job letter in Spanish, Police record translated into Spanish and a filled in application form. Takes about 3-5 days to get this permit. I am sorry to others if this is off topic. ho's find them fork them and forget them "my new motto"
Happy C
Bill,
Thanks for the information. It may have been useful 1 life ago (before I got married). Although being pensioned at 35 wouldn't be bad, I still need to work a bit to live.
Take care,
Freeze
Yes, Happy, it is interesting, but you will notice that a lot of the poor girls live at home, and don't need to ho. But in instances where the girl has a kid, family outside of town, or where they are even supporting their family or aiding in their support, they resort out of desparation to ho-ing. I always wondered how those types could go home to mom every day!!
I think you are wrong a bit when you say they lose their self respect. If anything, they lose their respect for men.
My friend is totally happy with his ho! And she really likes him it seems. Let's face it, it's her way out of that line of work. And he has bucks, so she hit the jackpot! I really think it will work out. Believe me, he is jut as surprised as you!
Hi,
Can anyone out there help me with this question? How does Cali compare to Cuba (ie-Habana)? I have been to Bogota and Habana, and find that although Bogota is great to find maybe a girlfriend, it is not the best city for mongering. In Habana I would describe it like being treated as a rockstar. In Bogota you are just another gringo. What I am looking for is something in between Habana and Bogota.
Do the women in Cali approach you like they do in habana?do they all sleep with you on the first nite unlike Bogota? How much are the pros:$20 Habana vs $50 Bogota? Etc.
I am planning an extended mongering trip in Aug/Sept and would greatly appreciate any info / insight that anyone could provide. As a new member of the forum I hope to visit Cali or another destination and submit my first full report to the forum.
Thanks to all for any info/insight in my quest for the best mongering city!
KW Kid
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Just like to add that both Friday night and last night, both women I took home were either separated from their husband with a child or a child out of wedlock. 50 dollars taxfree is not bad when their salaries are low. They enjoy club drinking, dancing, flirting with the men until one bits. Then they get paid for the extra they themselves enjoy. They have to provide for the child as best they can.
Last night's date was 25 with a boy 7. Her mother took care of him. Draw your own conclusions. Many are descent women.
I'm from New York city looking for a travel partner.
Anyone that would like to plan a trip to Colombia please pm me.
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Hello KW Kids!
I've readed your article and I can to see, that you need to choose between Cali or La Habana.
I know those 2 cities and for me,the best option is La Habana if you want to find only women to have sex, but if you want to find a possible bride, then visit Cali.In this city there are some marriage agencies.The nightlife is concentrated in the Avenida Sexta (Av. 6Š). I was in this place but I was dissapointed.
La Habana has more nightlife!
But if you want that the women approach you, then you have to go to Dominican Republic (Sosua, Boca Chica, Santo Domingo). In this country really they sleep with you at the first night.
Greetings
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If you plan to come to Colombia for an extended stay, make sure that you ask at the border for your 3 month visa. My brother got caught with that. He's here in Colombia and wants to stay here, and the border agent only stamped a 1 month visa in his passport. By law, he had the right to 3 months, but did not ask for it. That resulted in him having to go at the DAS in order to ask for an extension (about 2 days and 100$ lost).
Hello HotTraveler,
Thanks for the suggestions. I was hoping that Cali might be somewhere in between Habana and Bogota. If only I could find a city with the aggresive girls and nightlife of Habana and the girlfriend-material girls of Bogota I would be in heaven.
I found Sosua somewhat dissapointing. There were hardly no good girls or semi-pros, all super-pros who were just there to make a few bucks. More mongerers than girls sometimes. I am thinking about trying Iquitos, Peru next for something totally diffrent. I have never had a jungle girl before. LOL.
KW Kids
[b]Comparing Havana with Cali[/b]
People are always emailing me asking me to compare various cities I've been to. Often times it's difficult to compare cities because it's like night and day in some areas.
I spent 15 nights in Cuba (most of them in Havana). I spent 10 nights in Cali. They are like night and day. Cuba is such a beautiful country. Havana has sort of a mystical feel to us. Like going back in a time machine. The people are very friendly there and it's completely safe for Americans. I don't find the everyday Cuban girl on the street attractive. Sure there are hot girls but I found it was few and far between. The opposite is true in Cali. Cali is full of gorgeous girls walking around at places like ChipiChope Mall. The city of Cali isn't a beautiful city though. In fact, I'd argue that it's an ugly city. The people of Cali are some of the friendliest in the world though.
IMHO, the hobbying is HORRIBLE in Cuba when comparing it to other destinations around the world. The glory days are long over there. I found the scene there really depressing. All this cat and mouse stuff worrying about the police and if the girls will get in trouble. It just was horrible. I will go back to Cuba again some day but I doubt I'll ever hobby there again. If you're solely into picking up street girls than you might like Havana. I just found most of the girls weren't attractive. Havana does have nightlife but honestly I think it's overrated when it comes to the hobby. Many of the A+ girls have already left the island.
My friends and I were with non-pro or semi-pro type girls too in Havana and they were scared of being seen with Americans. Police were constantly hassling tourists. I think the scene is getting progressively worse too.
In Cali, the hobby scene isn't the best there is but there IS some good action to be found there. Some girls are really hot too. Cali is better for non-pro action. It's easy to get girls phone numbers there. Girls are friendly and being American doesn't really seem to matter there. Everyone was friendly to me (including the police). Sure, Cali is more dangerous than Cuba but honestly I think if you're not being a dumb ass you'll be fine.
I'd actually be interested in hitting more cities in Colombia. I'm moving to Buenos Aires in 2 weeks so maybe I'll get a chance to travel more in South America. I'm going to take intensive Spanish classes for a few months and maybe I'll reward myself with a trip back to Colombia when I'm done. I'd love to hit some smaller towns.
Have fun!
Saint - I whole heartedly concur with your comparison of the two cities... the charm of Cali is the music which is everywhere in the air and in people's hearts and the ladies are heart stoppingly hot. Cuba, while frigging cheap, is depressingly sad...
Are you buying a place in BA...or?
Rendorseg
Hi Rendorseg,
I forgot to mention that the food is horrible in Cuba. There are a few exceptions but for the most part most of the restaurants had bad food. I didn't find Cuba "cheap" as you mentioned. Most items are priced in US$ and really I can't figure out how they can afford to live there. Sure you can get cheap food on the street but overall I found Havana expensive. The people of both countries are amazing and wonderful. Music permeates their lives especially in Cuba but also in Cali. I posted a pretty detailed report on both cities. I was in Cali in March 2004 and in Cuba December 2003/January 2004.
I've never felt guilty hobbying or seeing girls but I did in Cuba because of what MIGHT happen to a girl if she got caught. Bush spun Castro's comment of "we have the most educated hookers in the world" and tried to make it sound like Castro was advocating prostitution. That is the furthest thing from the truth there. They are locking up girls and giving them hard time if they get caught. To give you an idea, most girls I was taking home in my car or in a taxi were ducking down in the car so a police didn't see them. Some even asked to follow me in a seperate taxi! Even normal non-pro girls were worried!
I leased an apartment in Recoleta for a year but I'm planning on buying an apartment to lease out as a business. I'll list it through my old apartment site: [url]www.apartmentsba.com [/url] and also through my travel agency [url]www.argentinago.com[/url]
If you come to BA, email me and I'll show you around. Best of luck and safe travels.
Saint
Great report Saint! I've been to Cuba 3 times and I agree with your conclusions.
Good luck on your move. I hope to see you in Cali soon.
Take care.
Freeze
Saint - Can you give us the details of your intensive two week Spanish course.
Thanks,
El colorado
El Colorado,
I think you read it wrong what I posted. I enrolled in an intensive Spanish course in Buenos Aires. It didn't start yet. It starts on August 30th. I'm moving to Buenos Aires to live for the next few years and taking Spanish courses there. 4 hours a day/4 days per week. Hope it goes well. I hope to be fluent in one year.
Antifreeze,
Nice to see you're doing well. I also hope to hook up with you sometime in the near future. Take care.
Saint,
How long is the course and where can one register for this course?
Thanks in advance
Happy C
Happy C and others,
Please, let's take this to PM's or the Argentina section so we don't bother the Cali board.
There are a few good schools that I checked out. The University of Buenos Aires has a good program. I enrolled in another program that had a solid reputation. It's called Lenguas Vivas. Registration can be done personally at Carlos Pellegrini 1515 or by phone 54-11-4322-3992/3996/3998 extention 103/151. Their fax # is ext 119/113 or email is iesvivas@capital.cf.rffdc.edu.ar
They have regular courses which are two times a week/ two hours per day; 6 levels or you can take the intenstive course which is Monday - Thursday 2 PM to 6 PM. They also have six levels. Each level last 4 weeks except the last Post Advanced course is 2 months. The fee for the intensive classes is only 400 pesos a month. The regular courses are only 50 pesos a month.
You can go there and take a test to see which level you place into. The test is damn hard. I only took one month's worth of classes in the USA but I think I'm just going to start from the beginning to learn some things native to Argentina.
I'm getting a student visa but I'd advise against it unless you have a lot of time and patience. It's easy to stay in Argentina indefinitely by crossing into Uruguay every 90 days. The school doesn't care.
Sorry again Cali board. No more non Colombia talk.
Good luck.
Saint
Spanish classes in Cali:
Hola, amigos:
I would like to take some Spanish classes in Cali to professionalize my Spanish, while relaxing. Can you recommend a small (unassuming) place or someone which can indulge? Thank you.
Take it easy,
LDP
Hello KW Kids!
Sometimes finding the best city for your own pleasure can to be difficult,but if you donīt want to choose between Cali and La Habana,then you must to visit Rio de Janeiro. In my opinion,Rio is the best option, but I recommend to go between the month of November to April. (The best weather there in Brazil).
Greetings
Hola amigos!
I spent a couple of days in Cali in early August. Truth be told, I did not like it, at least as far as the hobby goes.
It is a small provincial town (1.5 M people). Its downtown is very noisy and dusty. What is called the new town (or North) is actually a 400-yard strip (Avenida Sexta). On the plus side, Cali is safe for gringos, unlike what is hyped by Western media, provided you keep a low profile, i.e., you respect people and don't show off.
The casas are very dodgy and amateurishly run. I was unimpressed by the look of the working girls. I would actually be ashamed of myself if I had tried any.
On the other hand, normal Caleņas are overall good-looking. The spectrum of ethnic background is broad (think of Brazil or Venezuela). A much better option is getting dates with those non-pros. Still, you will need Spanish skills and some patience, as you cannot expect to get laid at the first date.
Cartagena is a much better bet than Cali for the hobby and for relaxing. On the other hand, it may be more tourist-oriented, so less genuine; unless you have those language skills that will enable you to go off the beaten track.
Best,
LDP
Pereira info needed!
I am heading for Pereira next weekend for 2-3 days. I need to get there for the Cabalgatta and give my new horse a ride.
I would appreciate some pointers on 2 things there:
1) hotel; I need an affordable but still decent hotel that I could reserve before going there.
2) the scene; casas, girls to call, etc... Pereira is stated to be the city where women have a hearing problem, you tell them to sit down and they actually lie down... Well, my trip will coroborate that.
Thanks to all.
Freeze
Hey Antifreeze ... I visited Pereira not too long ago. I was visiting a chica i met on Amigos.com but she was driving me crazy so I went on the hunt.
I wish I remebered the name of the main street that had all the bars and clubs on it ... and the street chicas as well.
I remeber talking to several normal chicas just walking around and partying ... very friendly ... one married chica invited me over for some fun saying her hubby was out of town but ... didn't feel like getting killed if / when he came home early.
I found Pereira to be a cool town ... kind of a "mini-Medellin" ... people very friendly.
I think where I can help you is ... I met this cool taxista who showed me casas de chicas, etc.
I actually ended up with a 'friend' of his ... a beautiful 19 year old ... blonde hair ... flaca ... pro but nice.
This taxista was super 'chevere' ... cool. He guided me and showed me Pereira and never once tried to over-charge me.
If you want his contact info send me a message.
Personally ... I wouldn't go to Pereira just for the chicas ... I find Medellin much nicer and lots more choices ... but, if you're going to be there anyway ... fun can be had.
Hey Freeze, WISH I could join you (though I'd pass on the cabalgata part). The girl I took to CTG who studied in Pereira is likely salty at me as I did not respond to her emails after returning home. I DO recall the entertainment area is across a bridge from the main part of town in an area called Dos Quebradas or similar.
There is a Melia hotel but WAY pricey. I had planned to stay at Soratama Hotel on Plaza Bolivar (but ended up taking the Princess to San Andres instead).
Hope to see you before too long, but now I am getting back into Asia mode a bit. Kinda like bipolar disorder for MEN (can't decide between Latinas and Asians (: ).
Take Care my friend.
PS Your password should work again as the technical issues on the private board seem to have been resolved.
Pereira is a great city and when I was there I really liked it a lot. Like Ricker said it is sort of a "Mini Medellin" of around a million people and I find it to be a nice mix of both Cali and Medellin. Its a real pretty city and very clean, with nice mountains all around. As far as the girls go you get a nice mix of the Calena look with the morena's with black hair, and there is a fair amount of light skinned girls there as well like Medellin.
I really had a hard time finding a lot of hooker houses and believe me I looked all over for them, so if your going just for the pay for play option Cali is the best choice because it has way more houses then Pereira and Medellin combined.
As far as working normal girls I really dont agree with ricker in that its not a good destination. I found it to be an excellent option. I have always like the girls in Cali because in general they are super friendly, and the girls in Pereira are just as warm as the calanas. In general you will find that until they get to know you the girls in Medellin are a little more stand off-ish, and I find it more difficult to approach them as a complete stranger.
I appreciate your input JMan, as well as yours Ricker.
JMan, would you have some addresses for casas or hotels to provide me so I can have a smoother landing in Pereira? I am really almost empty-handed, and not to be prepared may mean having a lousy trip, which is not high on my wish-list.
Thanks in advance.
Freeze
FUCK FUCK. I wish if the pic was too big you didn't lose ALL your goddammed text when posting. SHIT!!
I am going to post this fucking pic first then my thoughts.
Ok here are my reprinted (sort of) thoughts.
I had the same experience as LDP. I had been to Cali once and hated it, went again, liked it better but still no match for Cartagena.
On the whole LDP said it all. The casas just aren't 'all that' and the talent pool is pretty shallow. I would've been ok with that if they had been cooler, but you really had to work harder to have a chick mellow out and drop the 'hard-core' 'tude than in Cartagena.
To be fair, I did meet the hottest chick of my entire trip in Cali (although the one I call 'the Goddess' comes close in Cart). I also had to pay her more than any other chica the entire trip (this time though, I really thought I got what I paid for). That's her pic below. Trust me, the front was even better than the back. I had rarely beheld such perfection in my life. She wanted something like 600k for the night. Totally out of what I was paying but I gotta say, I have some regrets I didn't do it.
I did meet Freeze and we chilled for awhile. I took a hike to 3 Crosses about an hour after this chica left my hotel and dehydrated got up at the ungodly vacation hour of 8 to start our hike at 9. There was some dude selling CARROT JUICE at the top of this mountain. I couldn't believe it. Some of the best carrot juice I ever had.
I also met the coolest Colombian hippy on the street. The guy was totally cool and sold me a few special cigarillos for a very cheap (2k a blunt) price. Damn special stuff, and I know my tobacco (*g*)
Also had a great hotel, and while I've heard some say they will hassle the chicks, I never had a prob. In fact, this one lil cutie (the best deal by FAR in Cali at 60k a pop) came by and door dude escorted her to my room (mm... maybe Cali wasn't so bad after all).
I think if I go back (and yeah, I probably will) I will hook up with a couple dudes that have some freelancer chica's digits. I will also avail myself a little more of the street scene. There are some diamonds in that rough.
But still, my first choice is going to be Cartagena , Cartagena, Cartagena. You get the pimping apartmento and you will get totally sucked into the vortex known as Laguito. You will ***** about it. You will be back. Trust me on this!
Since I have not been able to find transportation for my horse to go to Pereira, I had to cancel my trip. Thanks anyway to everyone provided the information but, sadly there won't be any report.
Freeze
Panicked Prostitutes Flee Colombian City
Interamericas Press, September 4, 2004
By Carlos Carajo, Staff Reporter
Cali, Colombia
Hundreds of prostitutes mobbed local bus stations in Cali, Colombia, early Friday, seeking to flee this picturesque Colombian city. Tickets to all destinations soon sold out, and some tickets were being resold for double and triple their face value by opportunistic scalpers.
The mass exodus of traumatized trollops began on Friday morning when the authorities announced the imminent arrival of the notorious bisexual Gringo couple, SIMPLE MAN and FRIJOLE.
By 3 P.M. Friday afternoon, photos of the fearsome duo had been distributed to the area brothels, and the exodus grew to a full-scale torrent of panicked putas. Amelia Gonzales, 19, who normally works at Flores Frescas, an upscale Cali brothel, waited in line for four hours to buy a one-way bus ticket to Bogota, where she plans to become a nun. "I have been ravished by hundreds of smelly sweaty drunk guys, and I have to perform in the Lesbian dildo show every night" she says, as she waits for the bus to leave, "but even I have to have some self-respect and draw the line somewhere!".
Adding to the fear were reports from working girls who actually survived previous encounters with the Gringo duo. Elisabeth Hernandez, 22, who had serviced FRIJOLE in 2003, recalls showering repeatedly for hours after the nightmarish encounter. "I felt dirty for months afterwards. I pray to the virgin every day to help me forget, but nothing could erase those horrible memories".
Carmen Varijas shudders as she recalls her 2003 encounter with SIMPLE MAN. I felt like I was having sex with El Diablo himself she sobs, the only thing that saved me was that his penis was very small, I had not seen one so small like that since third grade! Ms. Varijas still wakes up screaming at least once a week, but she manges to survive with the help of her faith. "I would kill myself but I would leave my beautiful little 2 year old daughter motherless. I live now only for her, to protect her from having a hellish experience like I had."
Nervous non-working women also packed local markets, stocking up on food and water so they would not have to emerge from their homes while the Gringos are in Cali. Rosa Valencia, 87, said she realized it was unlikely that the Gringos would ravish her, but decided she wasn't taking any chances. She bought enough food to stay indoors for at least two weeks.
City authorities declared martial law and posted armed guards in fornt of the city's elementary schools. Beginning Monday morning teams of volunteer psychologists will be visiting all local brothels and elementary schools to counsel women, and especially any young girls, who become suicidal after seeing the Americans naked. The Cali Fire Department was also put on alert, and its Hazardous Materials Squad is prepared to dispose of any used condoms discarded by the Americans.
Cali Secretary of Tourism Hector Ramirez bemoaned the damage that would befall Cali's reputation as a result of the Gringo visitors, saying "I don't know why those two homos don't just stay in Mexico and bugger each other. We even tried to get FARC to kidnap them, but they refused".
This is so funny! Thanks for the good laugh Chuponalgas.
Freeze
often times when one wrongfully attributes characteristics to others it is because they are trying to control their own unsavory urges. knowing chuponalgas i understand that his calling me a bi-sexual, homosexual and **** are his pathetic cry for help as he is loosing his battle against his own unnatural urges. accordingly instead of anger i feel pity towards the pathetic creature he has become.
ps chuponalgas, would you like to go skiing? i hear its great this time of year.
Hey Chuponalgas,
With your legal history you should probably be careful about jokes involving elementary schools. Doesn't that violate your probation or something?
Simple Man and Frijole,
I didn't mean to support Chuponalgas in uncalled hits on you guys. If his message was meant to insult both of you, than none of it is funny at all. I just thought the nature of the post was to relax a bit and get a laugh (although I wouldn't want that to happen at anyone's expense). I just thought it was a joke between buddies (do not know the history between your relationship, if any). I am sorry to be so much of an unpolitical idiot when it comes to these types of things. If there are 5 interpretations on something, and only one of them involves having a non-threatening and non-disruptive message, then that's the one I normally pick. That helps me keeping faith in humanity as a whole.
Freeze
Antifreeze, thank you for the apology but it was completely unnecessary. Frijole, Chuponalgas and I do all know each other and absent knowledge of personal history the story is pretty funny. But with personal knowledge some of the things put in his story have a meaning that is quite offensive to both Frijole and myself.
Apparently, like an immature child Chuponalgas is lashing out because he somehow feels that he was slighted by not being invited to travel with us to Colombia. This ignores the facts that he had previous travel plans to another location, that our trip was finalized at the last minute and that Chuponalgas does not like Colombia. Despite his numerous posts, he lasted a total of three days in Cali, barely leaving his hotel and on his lone trip to Medellin holed up in his room and ventured out only to eat.
Regardless, any issues between us are personal and should remain private unless Chuponalgas chooses otherwise.
Neener x3. Guess I have to put a big THIS IS A JOKE sign on my funnies for you serious types!! Hey do they have a Western Union office in Cali???? LOL xo CN
Dear Mongers,
Simple Man and Frijole are always standing up for each other, they are bi-sexual lovers. I have heard this from Chuponalgas.
Beware of Simple man and Frijole, they are very sneaky.
KOS
Caballeros: Let us cease this off topic discussion and return to ON topic material like: how dangerous Cali is for gringos, or how the chicas are so much less friendly than in Cartagena, how the only casa with lookers is Flores Frescas or, better yet, how Cali is really overrated.
Yeah, anyone know where I can save 10 cents on ATM fees, LOL?
Chupolongas: ATM fees are more onpoint than you carrying on your petty little love triangle with Simpleman & Frijole here on the board. Antifreeze is out of the country and will not be posting for some period, and even he subsequently realized his error by applauding your ridiculous post. I am NOT "taking sides" as I couldn't give a mierda why they did not invite you to join them on their trip (and I doubt anybody else cares either).
Chuponalgas,
Isn' t your time too precious to post something like your last post (Yeah, anyone know where I can save 10 cents on ATM fees, LOL?)??? I tought you were all too busy for things that you judged unimportant.
I am in the boring states of America (upstate Vermont) and I truly wonder how they reproduce up here. I miss my girls in Colombia. Seriously, I end up thinking a lot about Melissa from FF, Andrea and Paulina. I don't know if I can be saved and start thinking about my wife a bit more? On the other hand, I do have better ATM support up here (LOL Chuponalgas and other mongers that are way too busy to read posts that are judged irrelevant, but not anymore when the time comes to post insignificant ones).
While Chuponalgas laughs loudly at me with ATM issues, I live the dream down in Colombia by addressing issues such as this one. I've seen more people happy making 100$/month in Colombia that I've seen people happy making $100K/year in the States. Chuponalgas may be one of these persons that truly would want a life like the one I have in Colombia, but with not enough balls to go and get it. I don't know Chuponalgas, but it seems compatible with the character of these people that often trivialize accomplishment or chararcter of others to better endure their own lack of character. Living the expat life is not easy when it comes to using resources like wsg and having to deal with noise like this to get and often distribute information. But it has it's rewards. Anyway, I've taken enough of your time Chuponalgas, you're a busy man... Go back to your busy life.
Freeze
Senor Freeze ...
Very well put sir ... I'll tell you what, I spend about half the month in S. America ... Colombia (Medellin) and Venezuela and I can't wait to when I can do it full time.
What you said about people in Colombia that make very little $$ but are content and happy versus the dude making big $$ in the US but is miserable is right on ...
As for guys that don't appreciate your posts or any other informative post here ... who cares? I usually hastily scan their silly remarks and chalk it up to "just another moron" and I could care less ... they are very easy to ignore.
Take care.
Sheesh, again for my learning-impaired friends, THAT WAS A JOKE, YOU CAN LAUGH NOW!!!
Hey Freeze, I do know chupanalgas and I think your remarks were right on.
Not many here would call it a joke, I mean, it's just not funny.
Regarding ATMs, BofA has waived all ATM surcharges for each of my three trips to Colombia.
Just call them in advance of any trip, ask where their ATMs are in Colombia, and when they tell you they have none, request that they document the record or your account with notes of the discussion and that you will request all fees to be reversed as they have no support for you in Colombia. I am charged $2/withdrawl but when I call they credit my account in whole.
I don't have a lot to offer from my recent travel, as I had no opportunity to hobby. But I will offer some updates on various city info.
I still love the Plaza Las Americas. Corporate rate for double occupancy is 107.000, including room service fixed plan breakfast and no charge for local landline calls. Pool is due to open in January.
I visited a room at the CoraSuites, on Av 9N 17N-31, 667-6021 or 667-8414. I found it not nearly as nice as PLA, but the price is much lower at 80-something.000.
There is a dive shop named Aqua Buzos in Versailles neighborhood, Calle 24N 5BN-57, 667-1600. The proprietor is Diego Alfredo Hurtado O'Byrne, and he is very knowledgable on scuba in Colombia (Gorgonia, San Andrés, Providencia, Caribbean coast).
Leo,
re
"Not many here would call it a joke, I mean, it's just not funny.
Regarding ATMs, BofA has waived all ATM surcharges for each of my three trips to Colombia.
Just call them in advance of any trip, ask where their ATMs are in Colombia, and when they tell you they have none, request that they document the record or your account with notes of the discussion and that you will request all fees to be reversed as they have no support for you in Colombia. I am charged $2/withdrawl but when I call they credit my account in whole."
If you have a BofA Visa debit card, there are 140 Visa Plus network ATMs in Cali, Colombia. BofA does not charge for ATM withdrawals from those ATMs.
From a BofA FAQ:
What are the fees for using an ATM? Bank of America customers can withdraw cash with their Bank of America Check Card or ATM Card without a fee at nearly 13,000 Bank of America ATMs in the United States and at over 12,000 international ATMs operated by members of the Global ATM Alliance
(Global Alliance ATMs) for Cali
http://visaatm.infonow.net/bin/findNow?LIST_LIST_KEY=2-10953853020022296620&CLIENT_ID=VISA
Start page for Visa Plus network ATMs Locator
http://visaatm.infonow.net/bin/findNow?CLIENT_ID=VISA&LANGUAGE=ENGISH
LAGNAF
Dear Fellow Mongers,
I am coming to Colombia and I want to spend one month in Cali and One month in Medellin.
HERE is my dilema, it appears the only way to travel between Cali and Medellin is by plane (safetly) but I am encountering a round-trip price off the internet of about $250.
Please someone tell me where and how to make this journey more affordably, $250 is just crazy.
Please help me,
Master Monger
Master Monger,
Never buy a plane ticket for internal Colombia flight from the US. Go into any travel agency in Colombia, and you'll get the same plane ticket for about $60-$70. There's only a gringo to give you a gringo price, Colombians in general don't do that in Cali (with the exception of extremely isolated event).
Take care,
Freeze
Guys,
Whats up! I dont post here as I post in the New York section as it it there that I live. Nontheless I am posting here now because I will be traveling to Colombia for a vaction on Oct. 8-17 and was wondering how can a typical young Puerto Rican kid from NYC get to mongering in another city let alone another part of the WORLD! Is it the same? Is it cheaper because of the Currency rates? What clubs are hot and how is life over in cali?
I will be staying at a friends house and am getting a ride here and there but assume i will be on foot patrol for most of my trip.
Can i get any tips, and also will I be on a milkbox back home or is it pretty safe?
Guys your love is apprecitated in advanced!
Master Monger,
I congratulate you with your pick. The Calenas and the paisa girls are certainly Colombias finest AZZ you can have!!!!:-)
Just go to a local travel agency (I do hope you speak spanish...lol) and book an inland ticket with Avianca or Aerospeciale and you will do just fine.
There is NO need to pay 250 bucks......My guess would be arround 70 bucks (one trip) Cali-Medellin. If you are in low season you even can book monday morning and fly monday afternoon..! No problema. December-January, July-August and semana santa (Easter) are HIGH SEASON.......!
Also watch out for local banc holidays.....which are MANY in Colombia.
In Cali are many salsa schools...were you even can have a GFE.....or maybe better??
GO to these schools and you will get LAID for sure......!! That is if you are out for NON-PRO action;-)
Have fun and enjoy the women AND the food;-)
Johan
Just got back from Cali. For the most part it was all of the usual suspects in all the usual places. I did find one new place Bar Escoces Cra. 1a No. 1-47 Oeste 893-3456. Very nice set up, around 20 girls most in their mid 20's to early 30's. $40,000 house fee and whatever deal you make with the ladies.
Again I stayed at the Hostel San Fernando. www.calihotel.com. I can't say enough about the hospitality of the owner Rigo. He goes out of his way to make sure his guests have a good time and it feels more like you're staying with a friend than at a hotel. Especially if you don't know the city it is a great place to stay.
Hey Fellow Mongers,
Well I am in Cali, and so far I am a little sad because I went to Kaliente last night and I got a very hot girl (I have lots of pictures) I took her back to my room in San Fernando Hostal and she was horrible.
I asked her in spanish if kissing was ok, if slow and romantic was ok, if MAMAR SIN CONDON was ok and she said yes to everything before. When we got to my place it was a different story altogether. She was horrible and I had paid for three hours and after one time she said no more :-(. So I recorded her saying that with my Camera / Digital recorder and threatened to tell her boss.
That is when she got really nasty and got dressed and went to the front gate and rang the bell alot waking up poor Rigo. When Rigo came out I told him to first listen to my recording and what had happened. When he went to talk to the girl she LIED, LIED, LIED, and said some bullshit that I was rough and started to fake cry. Rigo changed his tune to her side because I think he was a little afraid and he told me I should just forget about it because, QUOTE "People get killed around here in a minute."
Guys I am a really nice, honest guy and I have had 2 girls come out of the Del Rey in Costa Rica with me for free, as well as they all know I am a sweet guy, in fact on two other occasions girls would not take my money when we were finished from the Del Rey. This girl was bullshit and I need some pep talks from you guys to make me feel better about Cali.
Also anyone who wants to hook up here in Cali please send me a PM.
Thanks Guys,
Travieso
P.S. Where is the GOOD cheap food? And anyone know of a Furnished Apartment for rent?
Fuck,
Thats the LAST thing I wanted to hear Master. As I can testify Master is a COOL guy, SO im just you just got "screwed" by the chica. Anyone, that has any experience with hobbying knows bullshit like that happens ALL to often. But in the end what can you do?? There are PLENTY chicas to go around in Cali. Anyhow, keep us updated. As I told you when you were in Panama I am real interested to see how you like Cali (once its over)
Master Monger, I wasn't there and don't know what happened. But I have known Rigo for a while now, and have seen him in various situations, and I have never seen him be scared.
I think that what Rigo was trying to tell you is that it wasn't worth the time, effort and risk to push the issue farther.
Ultimately what could you hope for, a complete or partial refund of your $180-200,000 pesos. How much trouble and effort would it take, and, if the bosses believe the girls story, then what? No matter how safe you might feel in a particular part of Cali, remember that ultimately life is cheap in Colombia and their version of law and order is not what you are used to.
Ultimately, shit happens move on and enjoy the rest of your trip. Don't let one bad girl or one bad experience form your opinion of an entire city. Let it go and experience and enjoy Cali.
Sorry to hear that Master Monger, but it's not worth the hassle. I was in Cali and had a similar exp, and you're NOT going to get a refund, I certainly didn't. I guess, that the risk we take when we pay upfront. On top of that, the chica STOLE my camera(i only found out AFTER she left my room). Anyway, just chalk it up to cost of learning the ropes. From now on I would be VERY cautious about paying up front no matter WHAT the girl or the manager/pimp said, especially when you take them off site.
Hey All
Just got back from Cali. I had a great time and a special thanks to the folks at Hostal San Fernando.
Here is a list of some places I went to (YMMV):
1. Cra. 23 #9e-91 Barrio Bretena, 80k per hour to take out, 50k if in-house. The gals at this place were all between 20-30 years old. Most were Fat and not very attractive. They had about 10 gals.
2. Dream Girls (that's the name on the card), Cra 44 #5B 79 Barrio Tequendama. They charge $40k per hour. I went there on a Monday and they only had one gal. According to the manager they usually have about 10 gals but, for some reason they only had 1 that night.
3. Cra.28 #6-37, They had about 15 gals all naked. They have two pool tables and a few chairs. they charge $25k per hour.
4. Cra. 30A #7-73 Barrio El Cedro, they had about 10-12 gals all over 25 yrs old. they charge 40k per hour or 30k per half, 20k for 15min., all prices are for on site services. I did not ask about take-out.
5. Cra 50 #10-31 Barrio Villa Depal, they have about 15+ gals all about mid to late 20's and a few early 30's, not my thing, but they charge 40k per hour and 30k per half.
6. Cra 40 #9-14, they had 12 gals all of various ages (8 ugly, 3 normal, and 1 hot). They charge 40k per hour for in-house services.
7. Crystal Club Calle 13 #72-25, they have about 30-35 gals most are in their late 20's early 30s. Sorry, I did not get prices.
8. Amores Club, 3a. Norte No. 47CN-12, open 7 days a week services range from 20k to 60k depending on services and time requested. The night i went there they only had about 8 gals all between 20-25 years old. Feel free to visit this fine establishment.
Ofcourse, I also went to some old favorites (Flores Frescas, Kaliente, ect). But I was shocked when old Evelyn and some other gal I had poked on a prior trip asked me and my pal for $200k per hour. The last time I was in Cali I paid only 100k for an hour (the hour starting upon entering my hotel room). Thus, it seems some recent tourist have been over paying. Thanks @#$%&*!!!!. Please use the board and try not to give these gals the impression that all gringos are idiots.
P.S.
MonsterMonger,
I've had good and not so good luck with Kaliente(Calle 25 #2 Bis-47, Barrio San Vicente) girls in the past. Some gals are just plain cunts. All you can do is move on. I had a gal from Kaliente on a prior trip do the same to me. When she said "no mas" I started to laugh and I thought...fn @#$%^&. What can you do. Unfortunately, Rigo is right about Cali. No amount is worth putting yourself at risk. Its been my xperience that most houses are controlled by local thugs thus, its best to either get the word out about the gal so others know not to use her services or to find a new location to spend your time and $$. Best of Luck and I hope your trip gets better.
***Look at some of my old posts on Cali for other locations.
"Thus, it seems some recent tourist have been over paying. Thanks @#$%&*!!!!. Please use the board and try not to give these gals the impression that all gringos are idiots. "
This is EXACTLY why I am averse to sharing specific casa locations in Cali here. I constantly strive to find the proper balance between sharing freely (which is my nature/preference) and not enabling more sex tourists to ruin the place by acting like ugly.rich Americans.
YMMV is ALWAYS the rule, of course, and I believe that the savvy, bilingual, hobbyiest can still experience Cali like it was. Going back in a few weeks and will get out and about at least a couple times (going primarily to see 2 nonpros and to hang with a longtime cyberfriend who was kind enough to gift me a mileage award as a way of saying thanks for assistance rendered over the years.)
Mastermonger: IMHO, you erred in several respects. First, you chose based on looks rather than attitude/chemistry which is ALWAYS risky; Second, you paid for 3 hours upfront apparently-a rookie mistake if ever there was one )agree to pay ST rates then negotiate for LT AFTER you are sure she will perform as she promised in the club; Third, and most important, NEVER initiate a confrontation in Colombia. Like Rigo and the others told you, is $70 worth ending up in a ditch? Get vtough with CDolombians and you will lose EVERY time-you lket your machismo get the better of your good judgment. Plus she gave you one shot so it wasn't like she was a total ROB.
I also think she took you for a clueless tourist when you agreed to pay 200K for 3 hours (I have never paid 200K in Colombia even for STELLAR overnighters). You may be a "master" monger, but you acted like a Colombia novice. Cali is even more YMMV than most places, and it is NOT all about the $$$. If you charm them, in Spanish, and lead them to think you'll give them BFE (Colombianas are more prone to giving GFE than most nationalities but ONLY if they like you!).
This is not meant as a flame of MM, but rather a SUGGESTION FOR ALL that no matter how much a guy has mongered elsewhere, if you stroll around Cali waving your cock around like the Big Man on Campus somebody will humble you.
Hey Sufer,
I will have to give MM a break on paying 150 for 3 hours at Kaliente. I have been there several times In the last year and a half, and I have never been able to get it any cheaper there either. If I remeber correctly its something like 100,000 an hour in house or for three hours out of the house its 150,000.
At first I thought it was just because I was a gringo, but I argued with the boss there for at least a good 45 minutes ( and my spanish is pretty good) but he kept saying the prices were fixed there. So then the next night a Colombian buddy of mine went in there by himself to see if he could get it cheaper but he was always quoted the same prices and said they wont negotiate.
Poobah,
What is the name of the girl you posted a photo of 8/26? If its who I think it is, I have her photos too.
Master Monger
The best advice has been given by the real "masters" Surfer and Rigo and Frijole.
Something I have learned that really works is to have chocolate and other candies at the apartment. And cold water in a bottle. The savvy girls are afraid of getting drugged.
At the point that she refused to do something you lost her, nothing to be done. If you go and complain to her pimp what do you expect will happen? I have to kiss tons of ass and negotiate many barriers before I get the girls to say, "You are not an asshole like so many are."
And sometimes I forget that I have to kiss her ass and be charming and I behave like an asshole with the girl. Invariably the girl walks away or gives me the shitiest sex possible.
It's amazing but women like to think that they are beautiful and worth loving. Who knew?
Ciao
Ferolga
Dear Fellow Mongers,
First,
Let me just say, I have more game than Parker Brothers, I call my kiss, ĻThe Moses KissĻ because when I give it to a girl her legs spread like the Red Sea.
In my defense, I talked with that girl the first night from Kaliente for 15 minutes in Spanish clarifying exactly what I wanted long before I left with her. I have never had a problem similar to this one because I talk alot. When I went to Kaliente I went with another guy from Hostal San Fernando when they quoted me 200,000 for three hours I told them they were crazy and I walked out because they wouldnīt come down on the price.
We then went to another place and I was quoted the same price. So I lied and said I could get it cheaper at Kaliente and they said then go to Kaliente, all of this in Spanish. So I went back to Kaliente and when I post the pictures of the girl you will know why. It was late at night, we had been to two places before Kaliente and the girl was hot, as well as me and my friend thought she really liked me. She was from the Kaliente in Pereira, Colombia and was only in Cali for a few days so I rushed it. Please donīt underestimate my skills, I have never met ANYONE who gets more free pussy than me.
Second,
Cali is AWESOME, so far on this trip I have been to Costa Rica (2 months), Nicaragu (10 Days), Panama (6 Days) and although Nicaragua is cheaper for everything including women, Cali is much more of a Mongering paradise for a Monger with game.
I have been in Cali four days now, the first day sucked because I got bad service, but now I know Cali is the best place I have been in Latin America. I have a kick ass apartment on the 8th floor of an incredible building including everthing, kinda like a hotel with maid and laundry for $600 a month with an awesome view, hot water, ac, and completely furnished with two full bathrooms and free phone calls.
I also am on my second free girlfriend in 4 days with the one I am with now being a very hot girl the Saint was with when he was in Cali. Here is his pic because I have to wait to get back to the States to download all of mine. Anyone who wants to go out sometime PM me. She is living with me and is free, free, free, she has never asked for gifts either, but she does like to have sex about 5 times a day.
Via La Cali,
Ciao,
Travieso
Yo Master, way to go with Nicole, she's such a hottie... smokes a little to much for my taste, but I love spinners and her body is rockstar, and she's fun to party with, and she's a sweetie when she wants to be.
I hear she's not Kaliente any longer, but is now working at a different house, care to share which one?
I love Cali too, I'll look you up next time I'm in town.
Master Monger
Great report. Looking forward to more reports on you.
Cheerio,
Ferolga777
Please donīt underestimate my skills, I have never met ANYONE who gets more free pussy than me.
Not even Saint? LOL
You make some good points, Nicole is cute, and you write well, but could you tone down the narcisissism just a little bit? Even saint, who I view as quite full of himself, never made any statement nearly as outlandish as yours which I copied above.
If you were such a stud muffin then they should be paying you, no? And why go to Cali; if you have such Game Miami has more lookers than Cali, Rio or ANYWHERE in the World (but the hotties are MUCH harder to tap, of course).
Surfer
I must confess that whenever I read Master Mongers posts, I read them outloud, in a booming voice, fists on my hip. (Oh, well.)
But, hopefully his posts will get better. With more useful information.
Ferolga
BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Good one Saint, I was thinking the same thing.
gentlemen,
ok, saint used to be, and i repeat, used to be my idol, but someone told me he drops about $300 a day on chicas and gives them champagne and chocolate and then tips them like half of what he paid in the first place. this is why he talks little about the prices he pays. if you need to shower them with money then well, you need to shower them with money. i personally donīt need too, i posted before that on four occassions i got girls for free out of the del rey which is full of sharks, but i have a silver tongue and eyes that put them in a spell (thank you, god).
speaking of florida, if you read my posts in the past you would know i have a house in chicago, wisconsin near minneapolis, and a house in florida near tampa, and when i am in florida i never pay for girls, in fact i told everyone about a foursome i had with three girls in florida, i have the video with me if we hook up. surfer i like your posts and i think you have the right idea about women, i just want to make sure you have the right idea about me. i would love to hook up sometime and prove it to you. i posted before what is most important to women, and of course if you really want to make them happy make them cum.
how to make a girl cum by travieso (master monger)
1.) watch them masterbate for a minute and then repeat the process, starting at the top of the vagina to increase bloodflow while massaging breast with other hand, then move slowly down to clitoris always in a circular motion, some girl like you to enter there vagina briefly every minute or so. most important, keep rythym (spelling??) at internet cafe, no spell check.
2.) get into missionary position but donīt enter without a condom. promise the girl you wonīt enter and to trust you because you want to rub on her vagina with your penis, rub your head up and down on the vagina with sometimes rubbing the bottom of you penis over her clitoris. within a few seconds she will start to respond and you will think she is faking it, shes not, keep this up getting feed back from her while doing a thrusting motion with your body and breathing sexy in her ear, and she will cum.
3.) lick the clitoris and use the fingers in a Ļcome hereĻmotion, with sometimes sucking the clitoris in your mouth and swishing it around. something i forgot before is a girl must get wet before she cums, very wet, so i know this is gross but constantly drewl (spelling) spit into her vagina. expose the clitoris with the other hand so you can get a better lick on it and try not to use the top (rough) side of your tongue too much, but more the side or bottom or even your the inside of your lip. donīt forget to stimulate the nipples every once and awhile.
4.) enter with your penis, every guy is different sized so i am only saying what works for me. make sure she is very wet before entering, enter starting slow and speed up a little to a nice constant rythym. now comes the magic, in missionary enter deep so your pelvis rubs against her clitoris and make your body convulse a little as it hits the clitoris, breath in her ear (make sure you have fresh breath) i go through a bottle of binaca every 3 days. if the vagina is too big (you can buy something called tight stuff ($10) it is a jelly that makes any vagina tighter in about 5 minutes) otherwise wrap your arm around her leg and push up on your penis under your ball sack and it will hit her g-spot more. also in this position you can stimulate a girls asshole or squeeze her asscheeks, it all depends on the girl what she likes or needs.
5.) anal is also another way, but the girl has to be used to it and very comfortable with lots of lube and you must squeeze their asses in a rythymic motion. i am not into it but some girls love it.
6.) if nothing else has worked, forget your ego and go out and buy a dildo. i have one that cost $65 and it is awesome, it is called like the pearl of the sea or something. anyway,it has a clitoris stimulator that vibrates, then the head does small circles, and the bottom of the shaft spins with these pearls, and it has a lame little ass stimulator. bottomline is you just insert in and within 5 minutes about 90% of all women cum. women often forget sex unless they came and they donīt remeber how they came.
i have other ways but they involve more in depth descriptions and diagrams.
nicoleīs real name is diana, she is sitting over my shoulder right now but doesnīt understand english. tonight we are going to have a threesome with her friend, for free.
ok,
please someone help me....
where can i exchange dollars? the international rate according to www.oanda.com is 2648 pesos to 1 dollar but every place is at like 2300...wtf i donīt understand, where can i get the international rate. or even frickin close.
where is a good restaurant in cali that isnīt crazy ass expensive?
please guys if you know the answer to these questions let me know.
thanks in advance,
p.s. nicole/diana was (no longer) working at lubricantes jc just down the street from farahon, 30,000 for half hour in house or 50,000 for an hour or 60,000 in you place for half hour or 100,000 for an hour, or 200,000 for 3 hours in your place. now she lives with me in grenada in my kickass apartment.
master monger (travieso)
That explains it. I've been using the rough side of my tongue all this time....
I prefer to call you Travieso (I find the handle "master monger" WAY pretentious):
I use most of your methods as well but am ALWAYS game for learning new techniques. Hopefully we can compare notes/tactics soon as I should be back in paradise in mid-October. DO send me an email to XTNSurfer@hotmail.com
Regarding the cash exchange thing, you are hosed. NOWHERE will give you anything close to the Oanda rate (predicated on trades of 1 million greenbacks which I DOUBT you will be exchanging into CP even if you had that many greenbacks with you). Some here find it "off topic", but as LOCAL RESIDENT antifreeze confirms, ATM withdrawls get best rate but shop around for ATMs with 400K limit (some are as low as 200K).
Regarding the restaurant, it is a no brainer: Cali Viejo (near the Parque Zoologico). While there are no prices on the menu (ALWAYS scary), cost is SURPRISINGLY reasonable for very good, tradional, food plus unequalled ambience (in an old hacienda with the staff dressed in antique costumes). Fashion photographers use at as a backdrop and many wedding receptions are held up there. Terrific place that, surprisingly, many locals have never even heard of.
MASTER MONGER
Reading your report I conclude that you are full of an insecurity that I find quite befuddling. You say:
<<<<<"I just want to make sure you have the right idea about me. I would love to hook up sometime and prove it to you.">>>>>
Don't be so anxious. Just develop value and the right people will see it.
Saint developed value not because of his claims of being a great lover, but because he writes information packed posts that are quite entertaining, even when they don't include "mongering bits." That's what makes Saint a valuable poster.
I am willing to endure your insecurities (Who amongst us doesn't have some?) but, buddy, write what you want but don't misunderstand the stituation. I will find you a valuable poster based on the information that you provide and not based on whether you prove to me that you are the "player of players."
I hope you bought Footprint's Colombia Handbook.
Ferolga
"but I have a silver tongue and eyes that put them in a spell (Thank You, GOD)."
Wow, the gift of gab and hypnotic eyes. No wonder I envision Master Monger as being a cross between Don King and The Amazing Kreskin.
I think I'll forego the sex lessons from a guy who consumes a bottle of mouthwash every 3 days and travels to Cali with pornos of himself. I will admit though that sex tip # 3 is a classic. You might want to take a poll to determine if women truly get off with a guy constantly drooling on their pussy. Just a suggestion, but if you try licking with your tongue rather than the inside of your lip, you just might get that drool under control.
"forget your ego and go out and buy a Dildo"
If you can put your ego aside to buy a dildo for sex you can also forego your ego while posting here, otherwise you just sound like a dildo.
A cross between Don King and The Amazing Kreskin indeed.
The local Ticos in San Jose are still waiting for his in depth report on their city because he said he "knows more than even the Ticos" and that anyone who disagreed with his hotel recommendation after going there was "just ignorant".
-San Jose, Costa Rica WSG forum, 9/21/04
Thanks for the update - be sure to tell us where Diana/Nicole is working when she returns to the trade, I know that a number of us are looking to repeat with her.
Dear fellow mongers,
I admit I am a little full of myself as of late, but I am on a good run of luck and my ego is a tad bit inflated. I try, in every post, to provide some sort of information for my fellow mongers but, unfortunately I have not been here long enough for any really good info so I posted some sex tips, if you donīt like them or donīt care about them, then donīt read them. Although I doubt it is just a coincidence that 60% of all women have never had an orgasm with a guy, so I am sure it will help someone.
Apartments in Cali:
Finding a nice apartment in Cali that is furnished has AC, hot water, and is possible to rent by the month is very difficult. I got lucky because my first girlfriends mother knew of this agency.
ADMINISTRACIONES C.M.A.
Yuly Cecilia Diaz M. (This is the women you want to talk to)
Cel. 310-822-5789
Avenida 6 Norte no. 17-92 Edificio Plaza Versalles
Tel: 667-6209 Fax: 667-0717
She showed me about 10 places, all very nice, ranging in price from about $400 - $600 a month, all with AC, hot water, fully furnished and very flexible on the term of stay. I am in my Apartment for 1 month and 26 days and I am only paying for 26 days. Mine is $600 but includes maid service three times a week with a Jacuzzi, Gym, Suana, and Steam Room. Its nice and I canīt imagine a girl not giving it up after seeing it going for the long term payout...
Just tell her Travieso sent you and she will take good care of you.
As far as San Jose, Costa Rica you can ask Dinoman or Free Sex I actually made a map of San Jose depicting all of the places for sex the prices and the quality, as well as restaurants and hotels and places to find free pussy. I made it the last month I was there and sold a little less than 100 of them at $12 a map to gringos. It is pretty awesome and I will post a pic of it soon.
I forgot to tell you guys me and my girlfriend saw too hot Streetwalkers on Ave 6 around 10pm on Sat. close to that little park with the naked kids sculpture. We asked them how much and they said 20,000 pesos for an hour or 50,000 for three hours. I think it would be very possible to negotiate more time for those prices or even less price, but I prefer to negotiate time rather than money, because they still feel like they are getting their asking price. They were hot at least 7īs but we were both tired and decided to take a rain check. We had been walking all day around CHippeChappe. Bad thing is they didnīt have any contact info but said they were always around that sculpture after 10pm.
Yesterday me a Diana went to the clinic for testing, it cost 50,000 each for the full battery of tests and after we get the results and everything is ok, no more condoms!!! Yeah!!! Side note: Kondomania on Ave. 6 has lots of different condoms, even Trojan, and it has a good assortment of toys, if you guys want to buy a Dildo here I would recommend the Jack Rabbit that they sell there, it is like 120,000 pesos but it is similar to the one I have.
Well, I hope this is more what you had in mind Ferolga777, and thank you for the info Surfer, Also another good restaurant is Crepes & Waffles one block off of Ave 6.
Happy Mongering,
Travieso
MASTER MONGER
Yes, I like to read information that I could use. Thank you.
An apartment in Colombia sounds like a good plan. I would have stayed at an apartahotel but your apartment sounds like a good choice.
Good luck!
Ferolga
Master Monger
This board works sometimes as follows:
You do something that annoys others you get tons of responses.
You post good reports, you get few responses. But, over time people start private messaging you to lay out for them, in detail, their future trips. That's how you know you are doing it right.
Buena suerte en Colombia
Ferolga
for cali, can anyone recommend a place to stay (hotel, apartment, aparthotel) that has high speed internet (ethernet cable connection, not dial up) in the room, not including the hotel ic?
i want to hook up a vonage connection while i'm there, and use it throughout the day from my residence, so a cybercafe is not an option.
thanks!
Ferolga: You are Jason Argos? Ahhhh, glad to know that.
Leo: I do know a hotel that I am fairly certain has what you seek, but prefer you PM me for the details.
Hola Ferrolga,
Compartimos una cena de chivo en Santo Domingo.
Surfer,
Hasta pronto en Cali.
Master Monger ... your reports crack me up ... please keep them coming ....
I'm not sure if you're being real or trying to be funny but I do love to read them ... I'm guessing you wear a really large wrist-watch too ... ha ha.
Suerte.
Hey Guys,
Ok, well Nicole/Diana and me are over, I actually got a little teary eyed when she left, she is back at Lubricantes JC for anyone who wants her. They are having a special for 20,000 for 20 minutes as well.
A new location CHEAP - Geisha - Ave 2EN no. 24-114
20k for 20min, 30k for 30min, or 40K for 1hr also available for takeout at 60k for 1hr or 140k for all night.
Streetwalkers:
Wednesday, Picked up a 6-7 (pictures tomorrow) with Diana off of ave. 6 around 11:30 for 30K for 2 hours, good GFE.
Thursday, The girls were wacked starting off at about 50K for a hour, but I did see two 9īs.
Tonight I am going to try some Discos for some free action, I will keep you all posted!
Suerte,
Master Monger, Travieso
Has anyone used the dating agency all Columbian Girls or Latin Encounters in Cali? Any info would be great.
Thank you
MM, what happened with Diana? She is sure one nice looking lady. I thought she preferred apartment living to working the clubs. I was thinking about marrying her just before you wrote that she was staying with you. Never met her or even been to colombia but she could just be the drawing card to get me there.
30K for two hours from a Sexta girl is an unbelievable price, but I think I'll wait until I see the pictures to pass judgment. The cute ones often want 50-60K.
Did ANY of you guys TRIED to pick up pussy in the various salsa schools in Cali??????????????????????
There are MANY salsa schools there...and a courtse is not expensive. In a week or so you have the change in meeting numerous pretty (horny!) Calenas!!!!!!!!!
For a dinner and a friendly conversation they are in for ACTION! If you want to find real GFE you need to pay more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. It's up to you.
I sure would not forget this as "fishing area"just along with the malls.......;-)
Check it out!
Johan.
Hi guys,
I was just recently updated to Regular Member status as I have been reading the posts on a regular basis for a couple of months now. So heres my request:
This will be my first visit to Venezuela, so can anyone provide me with information regarding the p4p and non-pro scenes in Puerto La Cruz and its surrounding areas/cities? I will be there this upcoming November for the good part of the month. Im going with a friend who is originally from there so perhaps this will give me a boost of some sort. Were planning on going to Caracas and Isla Margarita for a couple of days although I think Margarita would be closer to PLC.
Ill also be going to Cali, Colombia from there for a couple of days or longer depending how good the action is at either place. Im Colombian-American and I speak Spanish but I havent been to Cali in over 6 years and I dont really know anyone there. The posts offer excellent information regarding the action in Cali, which I plan to use as a guide. Ill post this portion in the Cali section as well.
So, any updated information would be greatly appreciated. Some good tips will definitely give me a head start and would help make my efforts be more on target (so to speak). I will also be reporting live from the scenes while Im there in the hopes of providing this virtual community with substantive information. If anyone will be there in November or would like to make plans to get there PM me. Thanks in advance!
For those of you interested,
I am in Cali, I have been here close to two months. I have never visited any other city in Colombia so all my pictures were taken here...on a side note it will probably be 20 years before I come back to Latin America, while most of you think I have had a great time here in the last four months, I would just like to say this:
LATIN AMERICA in my educated opinion is filled with 95% of the women having their heart replaced with a calculator so they can figure out how much money they can (Literally) SCREW you out of. They need this calculator because the intellectual level here dips far below even the stupidity of the United States, which is quite a feat in itself.
Latin America is only for when you are OLD, UGLY, and have a nice fat retirement fund to feed all the pirahnas (girls). I have been to Nicaragua, Costa Rica, Panama, and Lastly Colombia so I dont think I am under-educated, I also speak very good Spanish.
For those of you with a little game, and looks, if you dont check out CHINA or INDONESIA well then your just foolish. I also speak Chinese and Indonesian.
I am done with Latin America for a long while, and for those of you who are whining, BUT I DONT LIKE ORIENTAL WOMEN, I highly doubt you speak any Oriental Language or have given it more than a month.
IN FACT: I would like to Challenge anyone who has been to the Orient and speaks the language, and who has also been to Latin America and speaks the language, to honestly tell me they like Latin America better. This also has to be in the last 4 years otherwise it is way out of date.
I havent decided where my next trip will be either Thailand or the Philipines but for sure somewhere in the Orient.
Well thats just my rantings and if you are still hell bent on going to Cali here are some great restaurants:
Lenos & Carbon in every major Mall - GREAT MEAT for about $7 a person
Crepes & Waffles - Everywhere in Cali and good - about $6 or $7 a person
La Papa on Ave. 6 around 20 next to Karens Pizza - about $6-$7 a person
Noche Del Rio on Ave 4 Oeste #01-109 Barrio Granada about $8 a person
Cali Viejo - Any taxi driver knows - About $10 a person
Maki - I know this sounds crazy but, GREAT SUSHI and it is located two blocks east of the Parque Del Penon in the north, but it costs at least $15 a person.
Tezones - Ave 8 Norte #29 on the corner - Awesome but about $15 a person
Tutti Sappori - Two places down from Tezones - ITAILIAN - $15 a person
Last Tip: Take an ad out in the EL PAIS asking for just a little bit better than you actually want for $5 dollars and your phone will ring off the hook!!! I have a 40% rate for banging the girls from my ad...FOR $5!!!! I banged 10 girls!!
Good Luck,
Master Monger
Master Monger
Thank you. I was waiting for the comparison between China, Indonesia and Latin America.
So, you found it easier to meet regular girls in China. Good. I've been thinking about China.
What about costs?
Is China cheaper than Colombia. Is the lodging, food and transport cheaper.
I've already read your report on meeting regular girls.
Best wishes,
Ferolga
Master Monger ... nice reports and photos ... thanks.
I have to respectfully disagree, however, with your assesment of the latina.
To say that 95% of the latinas are calculating how to screw you out of your money and are intellectually stupid is just ridiculous.
Yes, if your pool of women is from working pros, marriage agency pros and chicas who answer newspaper ads, what do you expect?
I have lived and traveled all through Central America and all over Colombia and Venezuela.
The latinas I have met and dated through the years, for the most part, are sweet and from humble families that would give you their last peso and would never ever ask for a dime in return for their kindness.
I believe you got it backwards ... 95% of the "true" latin women are sweet, humble and loving ... looking for someone to love them back.
When I visit / date the "professional gringo hunters" , I expect them to be more calculating and cold.
Again, no disrespect intended, just had to defend the latinas ... I personally adore them.
Suerte ... good luck in your adventures.
I suspect your arrogance rubbed many Colombiana's the wrong way (the same way it irritated many here, myself included). IMHO, while the percentage of moneygrubbers is higher than Ricker's 5% estimate, it is closer to that that your ridiculous 95% estimate. Chinese are WAY more money oriented and mercenary than Latins. That is why they are rich and gewtting richer faster than any nation. Granted knowing Mandarin/Cantonese will give you an advantage that few kweilo have, but I think you are in for an eyeopening. I had a Chinese GF for about a year and we are still friends; she tells me LOTS about Chinese women.
Indonesia, on the other hand, is one of my two favorite countries for womanizing (Colombia being the other). Bahasa is simple to learn, and Bahasa speaking bule (foreigners) score BIGtime; easier than in Cali even. But, IMHO, Latinas (especially Colombianas and Brasileiras) are more truned in to their OWN sexual pleasure than Asians (this is a HUGE generalization, I know). There is a fiery pasion in the heart of a Latina that is mesmerizing.
I wish you good luck in Asia, but you might get better results even there if you tone down the narcissism a bit. Selamat Jalan.
My experience is that Asian girls are much more interested in only money than are the Latinas. Obviously, money makes the world go around, and "everybody" needs and wants money, especially girls who are engaged in "the business."
IMHO there is a higher percentage of Asian girls that are interested in "ONLY" the money. A higher percentage of Latinas seem to want to "share" the passion and the romance of the experience. The Latinas seem that, or at least act more like, they have a genuine desire to experience a BFE, and that they are also doing it for emotional reasons that go beyond just the money.
I can not say that same thing about Asian girls. Asian girls just seem to have a much more "clinical" approach to what they do. That doesn't mean I would kick the Asian girls out of bed, or that I would rate them poorly. I love Asian girls...
Much of this difference is probably rooted in cultural influences, and the inherent differences between a girl being raised in an Asian culture versus a girl being raised in a Latin culture. Not to mention the influence of me being raised in the USA, and the effect it has on my own perceptions and how I perceive the two cultures.
The way I see it, it's a bit like comparing a Rose to a Carnation. They are both lovely, but they are also slightly different.
But, IMHO, if you want a more genuine and romantically passionate GFE, then Latinas deliver the goods more consistently. Of course, there are acceptions to these broad generalizations. I know a girl in Thailand that can compete with the Latina girls I know...so, there you go.
Latin Women
Is it possible to get a long term girlfriend in Latin America if you can't afford to take her out....probably not unless they are poor trash.....although hard in the States it is possible, and I did it to over 300 girls in China and Indonesia, they thought I was a poor teacher.
One more gripe about latins is they typically don't respect anything but themselves...they don't respect time (Always late or sometimes don't show up at all)...they don't respect relationships (I find all too often they are motivated by the highest bidder and cheat on their boyfriends) Or if not they are ulgy, speaking of which I would like you guys to send pictures of these girls you say are nice because I have seen alot of REALLY NICE ugly girls, they don't have a choice.
So let me restate what I said before: 95% of all the very attractive girls in Latin America are really high maintainance and golddiggers.
On the other hand I was in China for 1 year and a half (Mainland - Middle - Northern China) Because all of southern China sucks ass!!
One more time I will not accept opinions of Chinese women from Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Shen Zhen, or even Beijing, because these girls are money oriented and UGLY. Well they are not ugly in Shanghai or Shen Zhen.
The best city is Xi'an, then Huibei, then ChongChing, then anywhere in nothern China.
Really I don't give a rats ass what gets me in their pants, as long as I do it, but here is a FACT: I can walk down any street in China or Indonesia and get lots of smiles from girls who are completely willing to fuck for free.
Latin girls don't give me the clear signals or just don't dig me as much either way I am going to the place where I am a Rock Star!!! I hear how handsome and intelligent I am on an hourly basis in China and Indonesia and that feels really great.
And China and Indonesia have an average monthly income of around $80 a month for the nation, where Colombia is close to $160, I can guarantee you that everything is Cheaper in China and Indonesia...read my posts for those two places.
I have pictures coming of about 15 more girls from Colombia!!
Good Luck Everyone,
Master Monger
Hi Master M.
You've posted some good points.
Have to agree with you regarding Colombianas conception of time. My chica stood me up at least 3 times in 3 weeks and came as much as 4 hrs. late other times. When I first met her, the first 3 dates she came 20 min. late using excuses regarding her children (possible). My tourist guide book mentions their inability to keep appointments. BTW, a P4P woman came only 20 minutes late to my hotel for a dinner date. Of course, she was "working".
I have visited several AMP here in my European city. My experiences are they are very money oriented (no pun int.). Getting every cent counts while the latinas in MP here are just nicer about it as the latinas in Cartagena. They trust me to pay afterwards while Asians expect payment upfront.
I have never been to China. It is on my list for spring 05. After reading countless posts from members in that area, my feelings are Asians have a tendency to cheat or require more payment for extras. Latinas seem to enjoy sex immensely willing to satisfy and be satisfied sexually while earning pocket money. Both their heart and body are into the experience. IMHO that's a true turnon.
I can second Bob's post.
Master Monger, you are a good salesman. I wish I had the time to visit China and Indonesia. I have heard some amazing things about those two places.
WARNING...Sorry this turned into such a long post, but I must be feeling literary today :-), if you can call this kind of crap literature HAHAHAHA!!!
I can't comment on the quality of girls in China or Indonesia becauase I haven't been to those two venues...yet. But, as for Thailand, I agree with you that the girls are much more reliable at showing up than Latinas. Although, I must say that, in Cartengena, I had a very reliable string of girlfriends, and having them showing up was never a problem at all.
In fact, in Cartegena, the girls were almost too reliable, and I was having to artfully juggle them all the time just so I wouldn't have three of four of them at the apartment at the same time trying to kill each other. I remember coming back to the apartment, and having them waiting for me on the streets outside of my apartment. They would be pacing back and forth and anticipating that they were going to "catch" me when I came home.
I remember dodging them, and having to hide from a couple of them in a few stores along the adjacent street. Don't misunderstand...These were really sweet girls, and they did not have aggressive personalities, but they were not like the Thai girls who did not seem interested in spending more than the prearranged LT or ST periods with me.
Of course, I found a couple of Thai girls that were the exception, and they reminded me of these Colombianas. They were interested in LLLT with me, but generally the Thai girls as a whole were more interested in fulfilling the prescribed LT or ST, and then moving on to the next cliente.
However, I stand by my assessment of Asian girls, but more accurately meaning the Thai girls, and their "clinical" approach. The Thai girls just seemed colder and less passionate to me. In addition, I found them to all have the same body style, and their personalities to be very similar to one another.
When I was in Thailand, I found myself eventually becoming kind of board with the cookie cutter body styles and the seemingly cloned facial features. Don't misunderstand, I still consider them to be very beautiful girls, and on the whole, there seems to be a higher percentage of beautiful Thai girls than there are Latinas.
But, I was in Thailand for nine days, and I remember thinking on one of my last days, that I wish I was in Monterrey where I could have a much more diverse selection than the selection that I was eventually growing bored with in Thailand.
I sense a greater diversity and much more of a range of selection in the Latin countries. However, in Cartegena, I found there was also a limited diversity of selection (ie: many africana/morena mixes), but I have heard that Cali is much better for ethnic diversity.
I have found that sometimes it is my own approach that makes all the difference when it comes to interactions with women. I'm careful not to form mongering predjudices that might result in my erecting barriers that, through my own behavior, causes me to enjoy a venue less than I might potentially have the capacity to enjoy it.
I have proven to myself over time, that sometimes just a slight adjustment of my own attitudes can significantly effect the way things are going when I am in a specific venue. When things don't seem to be going my way, I try to really make myself aware of what I might be doing or thinking to cause the whole experience to be less than satisfying. Once I accept the reality of my own behavior, and I become more sensative to my own attitudes and behaviors, sometimes I am astounded at how things turn around. So, when things are not to my liking I start to look inward to see if my own thought and attitudes might be my problem.
Please don't misunderstand, this has merely been a commentary about my own behavior, and I am just relating a method I use to sometimes get out of a "funk" that I might be in when I find myself in a venue where I am less than satisfied. This is not meant to be taken as a comentary on anyone elses behavior or attitude, and I don't want it to be construed as such.
If China and Indonesia offer a "better" GFE potential, then I am all ears and open to the opportunities. Unfortunately, it's probably unlikely that I will get an opportunity to visit China and/or Indonesia in the forseeable future due to professional and personal obligations, but when and if I do, based on your obviously convincing and confident assessments, I will definitely be looking you up for advice.
I am sorry your experience in Colombia has apparently been disappointing. Sometimes it's really difficult when you have been to a much better venue (ie: for you, China or Indonesia), and you realize what you may be missing. I know how you feel...Sometimes all you can think about is what you could be having if you were only back to where you wish you were. I have thought many times that sometime ignorance is bliss...that is, sometimes I wish I did not know of another venue to compare a less than desireable expereince to.
I had the same experience in Costa Rica. If I hadn't found a couple of good girlfriends when I was in San Jose, I would have regretted taking the time to go there. Even now, I sometimes think of returning to Costa Rica to see these girls I know, and then I start to think that it just isn't worth the most two important things I have, time and more time. The cost of getting is relatively reasonable, but the cost of girls is relatively high.
Anyway, let us know if you find some diamonds in the rough their in Colombia. Also, let us know if you have traveled outside of Cali to Medellin, Cartegena, Bogata, Barranquilla, etc...I would like to hear your assessments of the other cities in Colombia if you have ventured to any of the other cities.
Regarding China, I know Guilin and the rock star thing is there (like Indonesia). Cantonese areas ARE less friendly, I agree. MY ex-GF here is from Chengdu, Szechuan, which reputedly has the best lookers in PRC. Also had some Northern girls (Tianjin area) met in Singapore, but being in SIN changes them I'm sure. I like LBFMs, rather than the tall, white, girls more common in North of PRC.
Try CTG before you bail on Colombia; a lot of guys prefer it to Cali, but scene is quite different. Also, long hair is disfavored by most Colombianas so that may hurt your game a bit; the rock star look goes over well in Brasil, Argentina etc. but Colombia is really a more conservative country where cleancut is what chicas prefer (Carlos Vives blonde dreadlocks being an exception).
Good luck in Asia. If you can speak putongua (Mandarin), you are a smart guy indeed. Fing brutal, like Thai or Vietnamese. That is why I love Bahasa (and Tagalog to a lesser extent). SO simple & phoenetic.
Master Monger ... in your last post, you made the statement:
"Is it possible to get a long term girlfriend in Latin America if you can't afford to take her out....probably not unless they are poor trash.....although hard in the States it is possible"
Not sure what you mean when you say "poor trash". Are you referring to chicas from poor families ... and therefore, you refer to them as "poor trash".
If so, shame on you and I pity you sir.
I think maybe the reason for your "bad experience" in Colombia is maybe your choice of chicas and just maybe your attitude too if you speak like that.
I apologize If I'm being harsh but your statement really rubs me wrong.
I think if you opened your eyes and mind a bit and met some of these "poor trash" chicas, you might just find some of these beautifull, sweet latinas.
Yes, trust me, poor families also have beautifull chicas in them.
The problem with the chicas from the more affluent families is they are generally more spoiled than the gringas in the US ... I would date a chica from a humble family any day over the ones from better off families ... hands down.
In these families, the girls learn from a very young age, that when a good man is found, he should be treated right.
If a chica is late (without a just reason) for me or doesn't show up ... I will never call her again ... there are just too many good ones out there who wouldn't ever do that to you.
Anyway ... good luck in Asia .. maybe in retrospect I realize that maybe you just don't get it ... and just maybe you don't deserve these "poor trash" chicas.
I second Rickers comments. I have mostly met girls with hearts of gold, pro and non pro alike and very pretty at that.
But if Master Monger likes Asia then all the better for him. Personnaly I think we shoud all agree with him and convince people that Colombia is a nasty place full of gorditas and FARC. That way we can be selfesh and keep it all to ourselves. Lets not ruin the place for us.
Anyway I can't wait to return early next year and be with these bonitas and enjoy the hospatality of all Colombians.
Suerte,
Rufus
Laymens Terms
Poor - Lacking in monetary value of any kind, (Great for the hookers of the world but not someone of culture that you would actually consider being your wife.)
Trash - Ignorant, and basically useless to society as a whole. (I was speaking of girlfriend material, in which case "I" need someone of great intellectual capacity to stimulate me.
I am not prejudice, but I am also not desperate....
Sorry for dissing your girlfriend Ricker, after reading your posts I am SURE you make a very compatable couple.
Back in Chicago and ready to make some money....
Later,
Master Monger
If I lived in Chicago, perhaps the worst city in North America for women (Boston a close second IMHO), I'd be irritable too. Many folks have a different persona in person than on the net, and I hope that is the case for MM. But I will say to MM, again, that toning down the egoism is important in ANY country, be it in Asia or SA.
If you REALLY had as much game as you claim, you'd have Jlo & Paris Hilton and every hot babe in America wanting to do you (and would not travel). The best looking Latinas in the World are in Miami, and the best looking Asians are in SF & LA (EVERYBODY is ugly in Chicago so you are forgiven for writing off the idea of finding beauty in America). It is the attitudes that are so radically different overseas. But even the ones with shitty attitudes would put out for Brad Pitt. You aint Brad Pitt, DEAL WITH IT.
Also, I think you overstate your own intellect as your write like the uneducated "trash" which you belittle. You would NEVER pass a college course in English composition. I can point out the NUMEROUS errors of spelling, grammar and syntax if you like.
Rufus: Right on compadre, I like your way of thinking.
Ricker: The cheap shots MM took at you reflect on HIM, not you. Not sure why I keep trying to get him to see the light (my charchter defect to try and help, I guess).
Surfer ... thanks for the comments, I appreciate it ... but I really have no problem with MM ... we just have different ideas of what a "good woman" is ... and to be fair, I took a couple shots at him too ... the arrogance part of his personality here is actually humorous also.
MMonger ... actually, after thinking about it, I believe I understand where you're coming from. Concerning, the searching for a more intellectual type woman that is.
For years, in my previous life in the US, I sought out and dated the more "sophisticated" woman ... more on my perceived intellectual level ... which is probably not high on the scale anyway ... who knows.
Anyway ... I guess I've found that I'm definitely much happier with a girlfriend type that is more than anything ... sweet and loving ... and of course, hot looking always helps ... I am shallow in that respect, I admit it.
Of course being with a woman who is a complete moron is difficult and I'm sure I would tire of it ... however, I personally don't need or particularly care for a "rocket scientist" to stimulate me.
The bottom line is ... we all seek out women for varying reasons ... of course we seek the pros for easy sexual release ... and true girlfriends / wives ... to each his own.
I guess it just hit me wrong when MMonger used the "poor trash" statement because I know there are some "diamonds" out there living in this "poor trash" socio-economic scale ... and the vast majority of these poor people are among the warmest, caring and friendly I've met and they are so humble and would literally offer you their last plate of food.
I actually don't like to get involved in the "bashing" of others on this site and what do I do ... like a "bobo", I go and do it ... go figure.
MMonger ... good luck in Chicago earning the "plata" ... $$$ ... and good luck in your travels and search for your sophisticated woman ... I wish you well.
Surfer and the rest, hope to bump into you in Colombia or Venezuela and share stories over a cerveza or two.
I don't have a problem with MM post. He made a lot of valid points and I can see where he is coming from. In fact, I prefer someone to come right out and say what they think without sugar coating everything. I have been to Indonesia and I agree 100% percent with what MM & Zippy had to say about. I too prefer the country and women over Colombia, the problem with me is that its just so Damn far away!!! Althought I do try to go when I can.
If you are the type of person that gets offended at everything you dont agree with, then dont read the post. It's that simple.
If the girls in Cali came off as how he described them, then that's his opinion. If someone has some other opinion other then " OH, these Colombian women are the most beautiful, honest, sophisticated, and sexy women in the world" some guys feel the need to gang up on the guy and try to bust on him. MM posted some great information and great pics on Cali, and I for one appreciate it.
Thanks MM!!!
Surfer - you are not the WSG Police, and I am sure many people are not interested in your responsive and judgmental posts or your commentary at all, especially your unwarranted and ignorant widespread generalizations such as:
"The best looking Latinas in the World are in Miami, and the best looking Asians are in SF & LA (EVERYBODY is ugly in Chicago so you are forgiven for writing off the idea of finding beauty in America). "
Or your direct attacks on me when you make common spelling mistakes even in the post you criticize me for it!
"You AINT Brad Pitt" or "charchter"
Apologize you lowly little worm, because my posts always contain valuable information or pictures and yours DON'T!!
TIP: NEVER BRING CASH TO COLOMBIA, use you ATM card because the government charges 16% I.V.A. tax to exchange dollars for pesos where if you use your card you will only pay the ATM fee.
DIFFERENCE: CASH- $1 = 2150 Pesos or ATM- $1 = 2550 Pesos
Ricker - I don't mind just poor girls, in fact most of the girls in other countries are poor, I just don't like poor trashy girls.
[QUOTE=Surfer]If I lived in Chicago, perhaps the worst city in North America for women (Boston a close second IMHO), I'd be irritable too. Many folks have a different persona in person than on the net, and I hope that is the case for MM. But I will say to MM, again, that toning down the egoism is important in ANY country, be it in Asia or SA.
If you REALLY had as much game as you claim, you'd have Jlo & Paris Hilton and every hot babe in America wanting to do you (and would not travel). The best looking Latinas in the World are in Miami, and the best looking Asians are in SF & LA (EVERYBODY is ugly in Chicago so you are forgiven for writing off the idea of finding beauty in America). But even the ones with shitty attitudes would put out for Brad Pitt. You aint Brad Pitt, DEAL WITH IT.
Also, I think you overstate your own intellect as your write like the uneducated "trash" which you belittle. You would NEVER pass a college course in English composition. I can point out the NUMEROUS errors of spelling, grammar and syntax if you like.
Ricker: (my charchter) NICE SPELLING![/QUOTE]
I understand MMonger ... like I said, I was being "bobo" ...
And I have to say ... you post good pix ... gracias.
I haven't been doing much Colombia traveling lately ... I found some gems in Venezuela and I've been enjoying Caracas and the lesser traveled areas of Venezuela as well ... good times.
Suerte!
Ricker,
Master M. is the B. Bonds of mongering. He has a proven track record and he has scored more than 99% of all of us. I have a huge respect for him. I have learned more about Cali from his posts than weeks of research reading books and looking on the web. IMHO, he is Mister Cali so please stop attacking him as he is providing a valuable service which greatly benefits all of us.
Finally, if you bother to read what Master M. has said, then you would know he has provided a lot of information about restaurants, money exchange and many other subjects besides his spectacular mongering. I don't ask you to worship him, but please respect what he has to say...you may actually learn something.
MM,
While my post may have been overly caustic and insulting to Chicagoans , and while I will apologize to the board for that and getting off topic, I stand by everything I have written about you. Just keep on lending your unique variety of cultural sensitivity to the board.
Yes my post was a generalization (kind of like your "all latinas are moneygrubbers"); you ever been to South Beach in Miami? More Latin models per square foot than you can shake a schlong at.
Ricker: you were not "bobo" (assuming you meant to use the Tagalog word for stupid), he was "pangit".
Colombia is off my radar for several months anyway (though I do feel for the victims of the big earthquake yesterday-my novia was terrified and I also got emails about it from several other friends there). Guess I'll have to just deal with the withdrawal pains and miss mi querida Colombia. It will be somewhat easier given that I leave for 10 days in Thailand next week. (: Suerte a todos.
Very nice pics, you met some real nice gals.
A couple of questions if I may.
Where did you stay, also for how long and what $.
The Cali section has had little info on Avenida Sexta (6th ave) in past reports although we all know it is there.
Did you operate mainly from a taxi or walk around as well.
Many girls available? What hours?
Any particular areas better than others
Are there any other street pick up areas in Cali or only Sexta.
I will go to Cali in February and I have not been there for many years but it was good back then as well.
Thanks again for the delightful pics.
Weycokid
My fellow Mongers,
Yes, I guess I have been a little less forthwith with all my information on Cali, mostly because I have been defending myself to that poser Surfer.
Just remember Surfer, anything you can do....I've already done better. Surfer post some pictures and prices you little poser, oh wait, I know why you don't post pictures, you said it in your own words. You are too ignorant to figure out how to resize your photos...how pathetic. Really I am not mad at him I just think it is hillarious that he calls me unintelligent when I sport a 162 IQ.
Anyways INFO:
Finding a nice apartment in Cali that is furnished has AC, hot water, and is possible to rent by the month is very difficult. I got lucky because my first girlfriends mother knew of this agency.
ADMINISTRACIONES C.M.A.
Yuly Cecilia Diaz M. (This is the women you want to talk to)
Cel. 310-822-5789
Avenida 6 Norte no. 17-92 Edificio Plaza Versalles
Tel: 667-6209 Fax: 667-0717
She showed me about 10 places, all very nice, ranging in price from about $400 - $600 a month, all with AC, hot water, fully furnished and very flexible on the term of stay. I am in my Apartment for 1 month and 26 days and I am only paying for 26 days. Mine is $600 but includes maid service three times a week with a Jacuzzi, Gym, Suana, and Steam Room. Its nice and I canīt imagine a girl not giving it up after seeing it going for the long term payout...
Just tell her Travieso sent you and she will take good care of you. But I had some problems getting back my full deposit, so I would recommend you tell her you need the apartment for 6 days less than you actually need it. If you do that you can stay the six extra days and she can keep the deposit of 300,000. It gives you more leverage than I had because my plane was leaving and she ended up only having Pesos and it was also a pain because I got screwed on the exchange at the Airport.
Ave. 6 Norte
The girls are in between Olympica Grocery and the clubs that start off on the most North part of Ave. 6.
I walked it many times, even with my Jewelry because I am brave (Stupid) and I only lived one block off Ave. 6 in the north part. Ave. 8 Norte 10-98 which is Terrazzas De Granada apartments.
I also sometimes took a taxi, either way is possible, the best time for trolling is after 9pm up until 3am MAX. AT around 9-10pm there is about 15 girls total on the weekdays and about 40 on Friday and Saturday. The younger and hotter ones hang closer to the clubs on Ave 6, and the black ones hang out real close to Studio 54.
Any girls you see on other streets are umm...not girls!
GOOD CHEAP FOOD IN CALI
Lenos & Carbon in every major Mall - GREAT MEAT for about $7 a person
Crepes & Waffles - Everywhere in Cali and good - about $6 or $7 a person
La Papa on Ave. 6 around 20 next to Karens Pizza - about $6-$7 a person
Noche Del Rio on Ave 4 Oeste #01-109 Barrio Granada about $8 a person
Cali Viejo - Any taxi driver knows - About $10 a person
Maki - I know this sounds crazy but, GREAT SUSHI and it is located two blocks east of the Parque Del Penon in the north, but it costs at least $15 a person.
Tezones - Ave 8 Norte #29 on the corner - Awesome but about $15 a person
Tutti Sappori - Two places down from Tezones - ITAILIAN - $15 a person
Good Tip: Take an ad out in the EL PAIS asking for just a little bit better than you actually want, it will cost you $5 dollars to take out the ad, and your phone will ring off the hook!!! I have a 40% rate for banging the girls from my ad!!!! I banged 10 girls so that means I got introductions to easy girls for fifty cents each...and the price of dinner(sometimes)!!
My ad read as follows: (if you don't understand Spanish..learn it)
Americano 29, Guapo, buscando mujer 18-24 anos, delgada, bonita, no fumar, para amiga o mas. 667-5815.
Last Tip: DONT BRING CASH TO COLOMBIA, I wish the regular Colombia posters would have posted this more often. Use you ATM card because the government charges 16% I.V.A. tax to exchange dollars for pesos where if you use your card you will only pay the ATM fee.
DIFFERENCE: CASH- $1 = 2150 Pesos or ATM- $1 = 2550 Pesos
Happy Mongering,
Master Monger
Then again, you admit walking around Cali at night, alone, while wearing jewelry so perhaps . . . . .
Where you got the idea the reason I do not post my pictures here had anything to do with resizing is beyond me (must be my limited intellect). Please show me where I said so "in my own words" as you claim.
In fact, I've posted TONS of pictures, but on two private boards rather than on a public board like this one. Ditto for detailed reports. I give details to people who PM me PROVIDED they do not act like ugly Americans on the board, but rarely post them (ESPECIALLY about Cali).
Assuming you are as smart as you claim, then why act like such the quintessential ugly American? Since you claim an IQ of genius level, one would THINK that you should be smart enough to learn a little cultural sensitivity. Perhaps it never occurred to you, but you likely would find Colombianas who liked you for something besides your money if you treated them with a little respect and compassion instead of walking around like a conquering hero who deserved adulation. This is important in EVERY country IMHO. But delusions of grandeur die hard, I suppose.
For the sake of the membership, I will admit that you are God's gift to both women and mongers (refer to you as the "second coming" if you insist) if that means we can end this silly oneupsmanship? I leave for Thailand tomorrow, so you can carry on unilaterally I suppose.
John05 ...
I enjoyed reading your scolding of me in your most recent post here ...
Really ... you need to relax just a bit ... if you would read my posts on 11/13 and 11/15 to MMonger, I am all but apologizing for my original post concerning him and I thank him for his info and Photo postings ... come to think of it ... I even called MYSELF "bobo" ... which basically means "stupid".
I can respect and learn from anyone from their unique experiences traveling and exploring, meeting normal chicas, mongering, etc. ...
From what you write, I can see that you trully appreciate the posts from Master Monger, which is great ... I enjoy his posts too ... he has his unique personality and he's probably a pretty cool guy in real life ...
also, from the way he writes about the security guards, etc that he befriended in Cali, you can tell he's most likey a friendly person.
Anyway ... I just wanted to say also ... if you think MMonger is the B. Bonds of mongering because he has scored more than 99% of us ... I must be the Michael Jordan (Bulls of the past) of Mongering because I'm sure I've scored even more than him ... only because I'm about 10 years older than him and I was mongering when he was in high school ... maybe I should change my screen name to Doctor Monger ... not a bad idea really.
... please don't get upset ... I was just attempting a little humor ...
I do admit though ... the Master Monger definitely makes better posts, gives out good info and has posted way better photos than I have, especially recently and definitely in the Cali section ... for this, I apologize to you, John05.
Truth is ... I've been spending too much darn time in Venezuela lately ... but damn those chamas (Venezolanas) are awesome too ...
... and I'm thinking about making a huge Venezuela report from various cities I've been visiting in Venezuela, with lots of photos ... so just maybe you'll call me Mr. Venezuela ...
... sorry, just kidding again, about the "Mr Venezuela" part that is ... the report is coming soon ... It'll make even MMonger proud ...
Take care ...
Hey MM, did you visit any of the casas in Cali? And if so which ones and what were your opinions? It sounds like your primary avenues for sex were the Ave. 6 girls and the dates you arranged by placing your ad in the paper. Flores Frescas and Kaliente get mentionned here often so I was wondering if you ever visited those locations or others. Thanks.
Termas Time
Yo dudes, time ta check in!
This whole "latin vs. asian" thing has been done to death. Personally I don 't understand it. Why not just go to both? Personally I would spend more time in Thailand, but I would never consider stopping going to places like Colombia.
Overall a lot of it depends on what head-space you are in. We sit here and talk about the girls, but what we are really talking about is our perception of them. So I take a lot of this debate with a big grain of salt.
I don't know that Thai or Colombian women are more mercenary. Sh|t, with the 'hos I hang out with I am surprised I'm not broke by now. Hey, here's a little hint about working girls, MONEY NUMBER ONE. That's international BTW dudes...
Sex seems to get better in both places, probably as a result of language. I speak Thai and Spanish fairly well now. In both places language makes a huge difference. Shit, I like 'em both. I like my cute little Thai mercenary (pure distilled evil with a cupid face) who calls me in the US on her card and has phone sex with me because she's bored. I like my crazy Colombian chica who told me she had to have a talk with God because she got so insanely jealous seeing me with other women. I like Sin Bandera, Baicilos... I like the mournful 'Louk Tung' of Isaan . There is a different look, feel, fuck, taste, etc to these women. Fuck, I love it all. End result: Both places get my stamp of approval for different reasons. While it is a good reason to pull out the photos and have some fun, this debate has been done to death in many different forums.
For Example: Who in the following photos would you NOT want to fuck?
MM -- err ahem. Congrats on having the cojones to live the dream at your age. You also post some of the most detailed info and pics here. However, if I hear one more sub-30's dude marvel at the loads of overseas puss, like they've found the resting place of King Arthur, I'm gonna scream!!
Yeah dude, of COURSE you are getting laid (sometimes) for free!! Ring me when yer in yer 40's. THEN I'll know ya got game, LOL... No offense dude. Truthfully I can get laid for free now, but in the 'hoing circle I think that is more of an ego thing.
To me the beauty of 'hoing is NOT getting entangled in sum sh|t. Sort of like your el Pais ad. Sure you got chicas to your door, but you got a lot of bullshit you had to deal with just to save a few bucks. Some of those chicks looked hard, one was downright porky although a few were pretty cute.
I don't mean to come down on you or anything. Because you are living overseas now at an age I could only dream about. I knew pretty much all you were writing about now, but I sure didn't know all that stuff at 29! Your mindset is really good in that if you think about their orgasm first. You will have so much more fun with the chicas from any country with that attitude.
Just to butt in about FF. One of the hottest chicas I ever got in my life was from that place. It is also the most expensive. I don't care if you are a playa, you live there, you speak fluent Spanish, you will pay and pay a LOT. It is what they expect there. Guys have tried to do it on the cheap there with bad results.
BTW Surfer, Kaliente DOES charge up the azz. They are a victim of their own success. It is 180k take out for three hours. I lucked out with the one from there. We did it twice and she was reasonably affectionate. Sucked that her bod showed a few war scars (kids).
I've already opined about Cali. I think for whatever reason many of the working girls are harder than their Cartagena counterparts. Both of these women can be cold fish but I always felt I was working further behind the curve on the Cali chicks. Man, sometimes felt tougher than dating!! :)
mm, i found your posts interesting and informative and i look forward to more posts, but please, take a little care when your are mongering on sexta late at night...especially north of 17th (where the ice cream place is). i was in cali for 3 months earlier this year and thought it was safe checking out the ladies on sexta late at night until i had a couple close calls with some suspicious characters. in my 3 months, i don't recall seeing any police around that section of sexta late at night, so if you get in trouble, you are likely on your own.
going around sexta in a taxi is a safer option, but there are two things to be aware of, first, the taxi drivers expect to be well paid for this task. i'm not sure why, because normally the taxi's in cali are a great deal. they don't tell you up front either. upon leaving, they'll ask for about 20 mil (then again, maybe i was just unlucky with the drivers i selected). second, since there are many safer options in cali for these women to sell themselves, they are probably on the street for a reason. it might be to make a little extra cash than in the casas, but it could also mean they are ****d, failed the medical test given at the casa's, or they are not female. personally, i was very cautious about picking up on sexta. i had two very bad experiences and will probably never try again (fortunately, it was just bad service and i only lost about 40 mil each time).
also, i would think twice about posting an advertisement that mentions you are an american. i know the whole kidnapping thing is way overrated, but there is still a slight risk, and if the wrong person read the advertisement, it could invite trouble.
i would like to second a comment made by poobah. if you go to ff, you can get into trouble by acting cheap. the girls all seem to speak with each other and if they think you are tight with your money, you won't get much attention. that's my experience anyway.
if anyone's been to pereira, i would love to hear about it. i plan on going soon.
I actually got out of there with 300k for the chica for three hours. Very cool and I never haggled on price. I have heard more than one account where the experiences sucked. If you go to FF be prepared. My philosophy is why save 50-100k and have a shitty experience. The truth is if you have a crappy time you will get no sympathy from the management. Despite the feeling "we're the boss", in reality we're not. The only control we have is whether we want to break out the pocketbook. Once the money's out there good luck ever getting it back! :)
Take your time and make sure. I really liked taking this chick back to my hotel. We had one totally unrushed totally GFE bone, with a chick that was 100% my ideal type (a blend of Asian/Latin). There was more than one beauty at FF though. I really wish I'd taken her out all night but it was really high. Kinda regret it though b/c in the big picture it was chump change.
Here's a last anonymous pic of her. For those that ask I don't remember her name and you will find many like her. The place is shoddy by Bangkok A-gogo standards but there is some great looking chicks there.
I only saw one chica on the street I wanted and there were some weird vibes late at night. There were some obvious transexuals and I was pursued by one. I'd like to get one cool taxi driver, negotiate an hourly price (in Cartagena they will go rarely 10k, sometimes 12k, but mostly 15k at night) and check it out. The one I got was hot and cheap. I think she wanted 40k but ended up getting a small tip b/c she was soooooo good. I had her call the next day and the doorman delivered her to my room 2 hours before I had to get out of there by plane. Yum!
The upcoming trip Wednesday doesn't seem real. I am very underprepared for it.
Poo,
Some decent stuff there, man. I think I met you a few times at Noam's in Laguito.
K,
Plan to be in Pereira in Jan. for the first time. My Medellin novia and I will bus from MDE to Armenia, Pereira, and another city on the way to Cali.
amen kdog, and welcome back to the board as a writter (i'm sure you were quite a reader over the months that you were quiet).
a quick note related to ff. they won't see me anymore there. the price went up another 20k. an half hour for 120k, i think it's way too much provided the fact that you can get it pretty good in casas for about 40k for an hour.
i never picked anyone on la sexta either. i agree with your assessment that there is most probably something wrong (other than the fact that there are often minors offering their inexperienced services).
i haven't had the opportunity to go to pereira after all but sure would like the trip one day. i look forward to your report.
freeze
[quote=kdog]mm, i found your posts interesting and informative and i look forward to more posts, but please, take a little care when your are mongering on sexta late at night...especially north of 17th (where the ice cream place is). i was in cali for 3 months earlier this year and thought it was safe checking out the ladies on sexta late at night until i had a couple close calls with some suspicious characters. in my 3 months, i don't recall seeing any police around that section of sexta late at night, so if you get in trouble, you are likely on your own.
going around sexta in a taxi is a safer option, but there are two things to be aware of, first, the taxi drivers expect to be well paid for this task. i'm not sure why, because normally the taxi's in cali are a great deal. they don't tell you up front either. upon leaving, they'll ask for about 20 mil (then again, maybe i was just unlucky with the drivers i selected). second, since there are many safer options in cali for these women to sell themselves, they are probably on the street for a reason. it might be to make a little extra cash than in the casas, but it could also mean they are ****d, failed the medical test given at the casa's, or they are not female. personally, i was very cautious about picking up on sexta. i had two very bad experiences and will probably never try again (fortunately, it was just bad service and i only lost about 40 mil each time).
also, i would think twice about posting an advertisement that mentions you are an american. i know the whole kidnapping thing is way overrated, but there is still a slight risk, and if the wrong person read the advertisement, it could invite trouble.
i would like to second a comment made by poobah. if you go to ff, you can get into trouble by acting cheap. the girls all seem to speak with each other and if they think you are tight with your money, you won't get much attention. that's my experience anyway.
if anyone's been to pereira, i would love to hear about it. i plan on going soon.[/quote]
Freeze, the only reading I've done over the past fews month is the Bible. I've change my ways. I only like to point-out dangerous situations to discourage others from mongering (just kidding, of course!).
I agree FF is too expensive, I just wish more casas were open at night. FF is one of the few options available at night. I wish someone would open another FF type place in Cali with reasonable prices (tennis courts in Cali with female strippers chasing the balls is another dream I have).
Freeze, do you know what is happening with the Colombian peso? It's about 20% stronger vs the US dollar than a couple years ago. That, combined with the increased Frescas prices could make Colombia a somewhat expensive place for gringos.
Kdog
KDOG,
Its not the peso thats gaining value its the America Dollar that is weaking against the Euro,Candian Dollar,Yen etc. The US dollar is geting beat up because of the debt and war. It is teriible considering just a year ago the dollor was worth 1.6 Canadian, it is now 1.16. Its going to get worse so move your money to Euros if you can.
HAPPY C
At least the first time he was voted in, people could have hidden behind the fact that they didn't know the guy. But this time, the American people have confirmed to the world that they are not so bright by giving him 4 more wars (I mean 4 more years - it's the same thing anyway). When it's only a President, that's one thing, when it's an entire nation that is fighting against the gravity of a 2 digit IQ, that's a huge problem.
Consequently, how do you feel the Germans want to invest in the US? How about the Japanese? Do you want to invest in a country where the typical Joe is out of his mind? Surely not... The lack of minimal ethical value for people managing public money also hurt a lot the country. When you hear about things like the ones happening at Enron and WorldCom, that doesn't help. The world has basically figured out that the US is not a heaven for investing that is any different than any other corrupt country. The only difference between the US and Argentina as an example, is that the US doesn't have the US that bullies him around while Argentina does.
The value of the dollar is set by the trust of people around the world in one's economy by a simple offer and demand mechanism. People do not want US dollars anymore because they think that other people will not want it also (bringing its value down). It's true that the US dollar was way overvalued before the tech bubble burst, and now it's closer to something reasonable, but still my wallet hurts.
My fellow Americans: enjoy the tax-break you have right now, because a shit load of reality is coming your way. When most Americans will start strugling with 14 hour/day jobs to put some food on the table like the rest of the world does, I do not believe the rest of the world will put an aid package together.
The sad thing is that I love so many American people and wouldn't want them hurt in any way. But WHAT WERE YOU GUYS THINKING?
Good luck through your 4 more wars.
Freeze
Is this board now the place to voice political opinion?
You asked, so I'll answer. We were thinking "Hey, how about we send a message to the rest of the world that we don't give a flip what you think about our internal politics!" Where are you from? Would you like to share that so I can diss your elected leaders? Unless you are British or Australian, you have no room to talk. Everyone else needs to right their own ship before they start giving us advice. Condi Rice had it about right, "punish France, ignore Germany, and forgive Russia. The people spoke decisively on Nov. 2nd and now its time to accept the will of the people.
I come to this board to read about finding women in different countries not to listen to some idiot regurgitate what he read in the NY Times or watched on CNN. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing!
Well ... I have to say ... sometimes the truth hurts.
As an American myself, a veteran even ... I read what Antifreeze wrote about the US, and it's just the sad facts ... it's not just from CNN or the Times ... listen to Alan Greenspan talk ...
Trust me ... there are PLENTY of Americans (from the USA) that are worried about the future of the country.
... as a matter of fact, think about it ... if it were up to the Right Wing supremists from my country ... there would be NO mongering, NO WSG, etc, etc, etc ... Thank heavens ASHCROFT is gone !!!
Talk about trying to butt into other countrys' business ... I think we win that contest hands down.
Americans are for the most part ... GOOD people.
IMHO ... unfortunately most of them were duped in the last election ...
Like I said ... sometimes the truth hurts.
Chao
bj clinton:
well said: "everyone else needs to right their own ship before they start giving us advice.".
now that the bible belt has finished enclosing the entire united-states, and now that your moron in chief, with the support of his people, is on a crusade to democratize the world, you will have to live with the consequences of it (not a threat, just a fact). i can move. i speak 3 languages fluently and am professionaly mobile, i just need high-speed internet to do my work. most americans do not have this option and when shit hits the fan they have to stick around for the hard times as well.
i have personally escaped the u.s. 2 years ago when i saw that an integrist was in power (look at the pattern of wars and you'll always see an integrist in power), and truly appreciate my move.
here are some facts about cali. the violence is not as bad as what your cnn depicts during its 2 minute of fast-food view of the world. women are, i believe, the best of the world. they are not only sexy, but also feminine and have their priority straight. sex is cheap (the almighty hypothetical god made it free, so that's exactly how it should be) and good. economically, life is not as difficult as what is also left to believe. although i despite colombian men leaving their pregnant girlfriends for successive generations (and despite the women leaving the men getting away with such a crapy attitude), i believe that most people here are good.
i have the right to my opinions and you have the right to yours (political or not), this is one of the rare thing that you can't touch.
i was asked howcome the dollar is so weak and related that reality to the political reality of having an integrist in power. i know that i may shock about 53% of the population since about that many people voted for him. if so, let it be.
"the only thing that is needed for war to occur is for good people to say nothing".
I am an American living in Europe for almost 30 years. I left because of my European marriage.
I have seen the dollar fall during Reagan's and Bush's years, increase during the Clinton years because of economic advancement and ellimination of the national debt.
GW Bush and the previous treasury secretary, John Snow are TOTALLY RESPONSIBLE for the weak dollar. They believed American industry could through exports of US goods abroad improve the US economy out of a major unemployment problem by deliberately allowing the dollar to fall, thus industry would hire through improved sales.
Well, it has backfired. WHY? The dollar is now over 30% weaker since its high about 3-4 years ago. Yet, most US products still cost the same as it did earlier. The importers are maintaining the high prices without reducing them in injunction with the falling dollar. Someone is reaping windfall profits. I can name many US products still costing the same price. Europeans are not buying.
The dollar is weak and will weaken until Bush raises taxes or reduces the deficit substantially. The deficit will increase because of an uncontrolable war and not finding the terrorists. Congress and the President MUST RAISE TAXES in 2005 or the dollar is going lower. Only an incompetent leader gives tax cuts in times of war or military conflicts. If FDR did, we'd all be speaking Deutsch today.
It will take 6-8 years from now to rectify "GW's" (Wrong) disasterous domestic policies.
Even a slight increase in interest rates has shown to be a negative effect on the currency. The dollar should have increased.
Yes, a majority of Americans are worried both at home and abroad but what does it help when a small majority of the population chooses a man because he is likeable, family oriented and church going. The president has to show results of his policies both domestic and intern'l. There are no long term results.
Now lets get back to the theme of this board.
Freeze, I don't know if you are aware, but the nation was split 50-50 down the middle, with few people having lukewarm feelings about the prez. Many people were passionate in their dislike of this president and his policies, myself being one of them.
So when you refer to 'you Americans' and when you write it is YOUR president, I wonder who do you mean by 'you'?
Surely one would not expect global statements from such a discriminate thinker such as yourself?
It's a little irritating to have members from other countries 'tut-tutting' about the poor Americans. I think there were plenty of us that understood the issues pretty well, but thanks for the feedback! I will be lecturing here on French and German foreign policy next week.
I can't imagine how we re-elected this guy either. It's seductive to think of Bushies as unenlightened sheep but I think that's lazy thinking. These people who 'voted Red' are a huge swath of this country and not just fringe loonies. They had their reasons voting for this dude and not addressing it may bring us more of the same *shudder*.
I think that there's something worthwhile, because the left were more vocal (Moore, MoveOn.org, etc) in this election than in the past and the voting went worse for the Dems.
Personally I agree we are in financial trouble. With the huge cost of war, raiding of Social Security as well as privitization of the fund, the disasterous give-away to the pharmaceutical companies in the Medicare 'Reform' bill, etc etc. it is no wonder the dollar is slipping. It's the whole reason I voted Democrat this election.
Gotta hand it to Rove. That guy really is a master of the political game.
Not to turn this into a polical discussion, but since I was one of the people that voted in this freakin' election I figure I oughtta have a say.
all. my venture into the political arena on this forum is a lose-lose situation. nothing positive could have come from that. thanks for letting me vent a bit. i did not intend to harm anyone anywhere.
enough political talk. back to the ladies.
i moved my office recently in order to get a t1 line in cali. a buddy of mine from delaware has a porn shop here in cali (offering chat services from cali to people), and got a t1 line. he's a pretty nice guy. so i offered to fill the empty office in his building and use his high speed internet and he agreed. now, not only do i have a t1 line, but i also have a bunch of pretty looking women running around all day. all that for $120/month. ain't that a miserable life???
i'll take my afternoon wlak to go and see my med student now. i'm sorry that i don't have more specific to say on that board (addresses of new places for example), but i am staying into a fine-tunned routine that involves only few places and preferred service providers taht doesn't allow for much new over time. if you guys have any specific question, i'll be happy to even get out of my way to find an answer for you.
take care. peace and love.
freeze
No worries dude. I am heading out now for your neck of the woods. I'll be in Cartagena in 2 days.
Not sure if I'll make it to Cali. Getting a last minute ticket there is expensive even if you buy it over there.
Hey Antifreeze,
Go to Forum Logoff at the bottom of The Forum heading, you'll be taken to another screen and select Logout on the lower right of that message. When you bring up WGS again in the upper right of the screen where you log in again, uncheck remember me.
Cheers,
Rufus
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I went to see my med student in the afternoon. Good session of 1/2 hour. Then, back at work, a girl working in the building stopped by my office and asked howcome I didn't look at her more. After a 20 minute chat I told her that we'd be better to go and talk about that at the hotel. Another hour session there that was pretty good.
Back at home around 7PM, I did my 3 miles run with floor exercise, took a shower and started relaxing a bit. But then, my wife wanted some... Another 30 minute there.
I slept well yesterday. Viva Colombia. Do you now wonder why the name antifreeze? Who could freeze with a schedule like that?
Freeze
been to thailand 5 times, indonesia 5 times and the philippines almost 20 times but none have stolen my heart like colombia. for pure sexual debauchery, colombia is no match for los (land of smiles=thailand). pi is perhaps most similar in that there is more romancing and "love". thais are more detached yet the sex can be very hot (eyes rolled up in the back of the head etc). for watching sex, los is way ahead of the others (though only in pattaya and still nothing like 10 years ago when live sex shows were all over the place). thailand has a president who would be called a bible thumper if he was not buddhist. he really has been cracking down on sex, drugs and rock and roll. imagine an intelligent version of bush. kinda like uribe. yet many thais would ask me about bush with thinly disguised contempt. virtually the whole world dislikes him (and, by extension, us).
thailand is certainly much safer than colombia, but it is also overrun with sex tourists, backpackers and tourist couples (unlike colombia). if you like hanging out with drunken euros and americans, you'll love it. relatively speaking, even cartagena has very few foreigners.
i love colombia for the country, the people and the romanticism of the girls. i like thailand for the gogo bars, blowjob bars and easy availability of every type of sexual activity you could imagine. everybody who enjoys the hobby must try both (or they are a very incomplete hobbyiest).
peso under 2200, yen at 100, thai baht under 40, canadian dollar at 85 cents etc etc etc.. like aids, osama bin laden and every other evil, the right wingers will blame clinton but they cannot deny the chronological correlation between the decline of the dollar and the idiot moving in the white house (and the economic policies of the current us government.)
now as to "bj clinton"; i see you have a grand total of 5 posts, at least one of which is the typical verbal diarhea spilling forth from the mouths of the rightwingers. so why associate with us sinners here on wsg? go hang out with your own kind of people like jerry falwell, jimmy swaggert and the **** priests, ok?
plenty of americans (like 49.8%) agree with the rest of the world that dumbo is a disaster.
[quote=surfer]been to thailand 5 times, indonesia 5 times and the philippines almost 20 times but none have stolen my heart like colombia. for pure sexual debauchery, colombia is no match for los (land of smiles=thailand). pi is perhaps most similar in that there is more romancing and "love". thais are more detached yet the sex can be very hot (eyes rolled up in the back of the head etc). for watching sex, los is way ahead of the others (though only in pattaya and still nothing like 10 years ago when live sex shows were all over the place). thailand has a president who would be called a bible thumper if he was not buddhist. he really has been cracking down on sex, drugs and rock and roll. imagine an intelligent version of bush. kinda like uribe. yet many thais would ask me about bush with thinly disguised contempt. virtually the whole world dislikes him (and, by extension, us).
thailand is certainly much safer than colombia, but it is also overrun with sex tourists, backpackers and tourist couples (unlike colombia). if you like hanging out with drunken euros and americans, you'll love it. relatively speaking, even cartagena has very few foreigners.
i love colombia for the country, the people and the romanticism of the girls. i like thailand for the gogo bars, blowjob bars and easy availability of every type of sexual activity you could imagine. everybody who enjoys the hobby must try both (or they are a very incomplete hobbyiest).
peso under 2200, yen at 100, thai baht under 40, canadian dollar at 85 cents etc etc etc.. like aids, osama bin laden and every other evil, the right wingers will blame clinton but they cannot deny the chronological correlation between the decline of the dollar and the idiot moving in the white house (and the economic policies of the current us government.)
now as to "bj clinton"; i see you have a grand total of 5 posts, at least one of which is the typical verbal diarhea spilling forth from the mouths of the rightwingers. so why associate with us sinners here on wsg? go hang out with your own kind of people like jerry falwell, jimmy swaggert and the **** priests, ok?
plenty of americans (like 49.8%) agree with the rest of the world that dumbo is a disaster.[/quote]
so well said, surfer.
Aren't you the same petulent know-it-all that flamed Master Monger recently? Were you jealous of the way he clearly tore it up in Columbia or did his many awesome photos make you feel inadequate? What, you spotted your wife or sister in one of his photos? Why do you continually start fights?
Don't kid yourself, no one reads this thread to hear your political opinions and I for one am not impressed (or convinced) that the whole world hates Bush and by extension, US. So your guy lost---get over it. In fact, I got a feeling that losing is not all that unusual for you anyway.
You know, this constant Bush-bashing at every available opportunity, regardless of context is what got your side punked in the election in the first place.
But hey, what do I know? I've only got 5 posts!
Anyone have the address for JC Lubricantes?
Elver,
I live in Cartagena. It is more safe than many US cities the same size(about 1 million). I have been to Medellin. It is safe if you stay out of the poorer barrios and stay in the city. The trip from the airport is safe.
I have heard that Cali, Bogota, Barranquilla, and Bucaramanga are relatively safe. Travel between cities by air. I am sure that many smaller cities are safe. But, unless you know that for sure, stay away.
Next month I am taking a three-day bus trip from Medellin to Cali with overnights in two smaller cities. I am travelling with an older, educated chica who was born and raised in Medellin.
Also, land transport between Cartagena, Barranquilla, and Santa Marta is generally safe.
Well this is not the place to discuss this crap but I would just like to explain where I stand.
I like providing definitions because it is difficult to refute them.
re·pub·lic n.
A political order whose head of state is not a monarch and in modern times is usually a president.
A nation that has such a political order.
A political order in which the supreme power lies in a body of citizens who are entitled to vote for officers and representatives responsible to them.
A nation that has such a political order.
de·moc·ra·cy n. pl. de·moc·ra·cies
Government by the people, exercised either directly or through elected representatives.
A political or social unit that has such a government.
The common people, considered as the primary source of political power.
Majority rule.
The principles of social equality and respect for the individual within a community.
Ok, so, obviously Republicans are based off of a "Republic" standpoint and Democrats are based off of a "Democracy" standpoint.
Now before I say anything Else I would like to clarify that I really don't care who is President because I do not plan on living in the US for much longer. I am leaving for many reasons and some do include the political future of America which I feel may be a hopeless runaway train.
Back to the facts:
Republicans are usually, about 99%, very wealthy and powerful people in which about 50% have come from wealthy families. It is not a secret how Republicans feel about Rich and Powerful people and businesses. QUOTE: (George W. Bush at a fund raising dinner) "Quite an interesting group of people we have gathered here this evening, alot of have's and have mores, some people would call you my constituants, I like to call you my BASE. It is a FACT, Republicans focus on the views of the upper and the FOR THE TIME BEING upper middle class.
Democrats (the lesser of two evils IMHO) are also very wealthy people generally. One of the differences is they USUALLY made their money and are interested in politics for Fame, Power more money but sometimes maybe 20% of them actually want to help America as a whole with no reguard to furthering themselves in any way. Now democrats usaully look at society as a whole but because the Poor and Middle Class make up the majority of America it would seem that Democrats base off of them in there political views.
The problems and the conclusion:
Republicans want to enivitably control the people rather than the people control the government, because they are the rich and powerful and that has always been the way it is. Contrary to idiotic belief, Republicans, allow to be spent, and spend more money than Democrats, but shade it better especially with the words Defense, Infastructure, then as of recently Terrorism and Homeland security, and then to worsen the matter they cut taxes for the wealthy and BIG business. That is why we always have a deficit when a Republican is President...GO FIGURE.
Democrats on the other hand come up with programs that may, and I repeat "may" have been started to help the society as a whole but often have flaws that enable it to be taken advantage of, such as: Welfare. It is very easy, especially for narrow minded people, to jump on a band wagon of hate to hang the Liberal Democrats, when it is really the Republicans who spend the most money.
In political conclusion if you don't realize politicians are bad on a whole, then you come from the wrong position when addressing politics.
The best political setup for me is a house and senate slighty controlled by the Republicans with a Democrat President to veto all the bullshit spending and the tax cuts for the wealthy. My dream would be a organization that closely monitors government spending HONESTLY to seriously quell overspending and slush funds.
LEO ---- just go to Farahon on Ave 2 in the night, every taxi knows where it is, get out and stand in front and wait for the guys with the cards to come to you. They will give you all kinds of business cards for places in the area and the cards usually have special deals on them. Lubricantes JC is on Ave 2EN it is a little hard to find but there is a map on the back and it is right across from the train tracks. Good Luck!
Happy Mongering,
Master Monger
Great analysis master Monger.
Here's a quick question for you:
Where do you intend to live when you'll leave the US?
It's too bad the US is losing the best of its society, but it's great that the rest of the world will start enjoying the American crčme de la crčme.
Freeze
Can we can this political crap? I don't really care about the policitcal opinions of anyone on this board. If it doesn't relate to Colombia or Cali for this thread, keep it to yourself.
This is not the place for a political discussion and this has gone on too long. I have read the posts of Surfer, Antifreeze, and Master Monger with great interest. They clearly know what they are talking about when the subject is mongering in Columbia. I do not dispute this, in fact I read their posts to gleam information in preparation of my own trip to Columbia. I just object to the gratuitous Bush bashing on a forum devoted to finding and procuring women.
I would just like to point out that a clear majority heard all the arguments for removing Bush and decided to reelect him anyway. We are not all rich, bible thumping, right wing extremists. We do care what citizens in other countries think about us, we just put our own interests first. Yes the dollar is weak at this moment. It will not always be so, in fact Surfer began to discuss this fact well before Nov 2nd. And yes, anti-Bush sentiment is high in many parts of the world, just like it was with Reagan. But isn't all this due to our efforts in Iraq? I say screw 'em, they love us when we win. And we will win. If that sounds arrogant, so be it.
If you guys seriously feel that Bush's reelection will hurt your ability to find and hire young girls from other countries to pleasure you, then I feel sorry for you. Oh my, the christians are coming, I'm so afraid! Ho's will be ho's and Americans (and American dollars) will always be welcome around the world.
MM: Great post. You ARE obviously a very smart guy, so you don't need to extoll your own virtues on this board. And we TOTALLY agree on America's dark future and a desire to relocate. And we agree Indonesia is awesome. We merely disagree on the propriety of you posting about how great you think you are here. And this is NOTHING personal about you (have, and will, responded similarly to others who insist on telling everybody how "they are the greatest" (only Mohammed Ali could get away with that IMHO). Good luck to you whereever you settler.
Leo: I KNOW I have the card from Lubricantes, but cannot find it at the moment (though I DID find the cards for Fantasias, Av. 2d Norte 24N-113, 661-5928, which used to be better). Also Afrodita, Av. 2N 44-219 664-5523 and La Castellana, Autopista Sur 46-45 (553-6769).
I DO know how to get to Lubricantes, however. Exit La Clinica and go RIGHT then RIGHT again at first corner. Cross the street to the far side, and Lubricantes is about 1/2 way up the block. You enter through a seamstress shop, then turn left once inside and through the curtain. If I find the Lubricantes card I will post address.
Elverselee: 6 cities (plus San Andres which is NOT a city) . None of the cities is extraordinarily dangerous IMHO (others may disagree) but you need to use common sense and be cautious in ALL (tourist parts of CTG safest, BOG most sketchy). Traveling by land BETWEEN CITIES (except CTG-BAQ) is MUCH more dangerous IMHO.
BJClinton: Despite your attempt to suck up to him, it appears MM does not share your rightwing point of view. You now have 6 posts without EVER discussing mongering in Cali. Congratulations.
Hi All,
I was planning my first mongering trip outside the US and I was all set to go to Costa Rica but now that I have seen some of the girls from Columbia ... Holy Sh*t! I might have to change my mind. I will look through both the Cartagena and Cali forums but any suggestions on hotels, airfare and girls would be much appreciated.
Thanks
Semi
i have been to Bogota and Bucarmanga in Colombia. I have not had any problems.I have walked many places with my girlfriend and her family. I am planning on living in Bucarmanga when i get some things taken care of here. It is a beautifull city. The climate is much better that bogota.
Costa Rica might still be a good idea for your first trip outside of the US. You need to get your feet wet. Cartagena is a possibility, but I would not suggest Cali for a first-timer even if you are fluent in Spanish.
Hi,
I'm making my trip to South America in February and still deciding on where to go. I've been to Peru and have almost decided return there, but I'm also open to Columbia and Ecuador. I'm buying my ticket in the next week but I have one question that I can't seem to find the answer to (All I can find in this section seems to be US political crap).
Are there decent hotels in Cali that run around $30-$35 or less per night that are guest friendly? I'll be spending about 3 weeks wherever I go. I've found prices for everything to be in my range but the pricing I've seen for hotels seems to be much higher. I speak enough Spanish to get by and I'm a seasoned traveler so it doesn't have to a Hilton. I just want a comfortable place without bugs that is clean.
Thanks,
Michael
Right in the heart of Avenida Sexta, the area where you want to base yourself. This is the safest place in Cali as there is a permanent police checkpoint DIRECTLY in front. HDJ is no more than 100KCP (no more than $40). SEarch farther back in this folder for more info. If you can't find it PM me and I'll give you the contact info.
If you stay 3 weeks you'll definitely be able to negotiate a lower rate (80KCP at most).
I've been to Peru and had Peruana novias. Machu Pichu and the GREAT surf notwithstanding, it is a rhinestone next to la jolla Colombia (two "o"s, no "u").
Thanks alot,
I'll surf a little farther back. I knew there had to be some lower priced hotels. When I couldn't find any here quickly, I went and did an internet search and they were all over $100. I couldn't imagine that anyone would actually pay those rates.
Later,
Michael
Thanks TomTom for the info. I think I will go to Costa Rica first then maybe check out Colombia next.
The girls in Colombia look so hot, especially the ones that Mastermonger posted.
Semi
If you mention that you are friends of "Ramon" (the guide/"PIMP" to many-a-young hardbodies) then you might be able to get a 85,000 COP rate. I got that Aug 2003, and normally that is the weekend rate, but with the name dropping, I got that during the week also.
57 (2) 667-2838, FAX 668-7098 (no email or webpage to my knowledge). I would NOT mention Ramon (though it worked for me friend Bill) but would reserve the first night THEN negotiate a long term rate with the manager. There ARE lots of other options in the area, but I think HDJ will give you a good rate if you can negotiate in Spanish. Their rates vary based on MANY factors. VERY guest friendly (though ID required and street girls of questionable age are scared to go there) and I have never had an added charge (though they TALK about "guest charges" on occasion.
Memo, how the hell are you? Call me sometime.
Will any mongers here be in Cali at the end of Dec.?
Here is a link of some hotels for those asking. [url]http://www.gentecontalento.org/CALI/turismo/hoteles.htm[/url]
I appreciate the many post and if anyone has info to share for my 1st trip to Cali ,feel free to PM me.
Ill be posting pictures when I get back :)
Thanks for any assisstance
I may be in Cali during that time also, if I do I'll PM you. I've been to CALI before, but most of the info is in this forum anyway, just read through. Cali is really great for non-pro, your "exotic/foreigness" goes a long way, much more so than Bogota. If you spanish is half way decent, then you're in.
Tom Tom is right Costa Rica is definitely "easier" as in canned pro-action but Cali / Cartagena is much more fun and less "professional" than San Jose.
You'll never find me at the Blue Marlin again ... plus the prices in CR ... Ridiculous.
Suerte!
Hey Bro,
I've been to Cali 4 times. I really suggest as being your first trip to Cali hooking up w/ some1 there to give you the insight.. I know several people in Cali that can show you around. If your around Ave sextra , theres a beellboy name Gustav who works at Hotel Don Jamie you must talk too.. He speaks excellent english and can handle any need of yours. Really good guy to know in Cali....Have fun in Cali.
Here is a link of some hotels for those asking. [url]http://www.gentecontalento.org/CALI/turismo/hoteles.htm[/url]
I appreciate the many post and if anyone has info to share for my 1st trip to Cali ,feel free to PM me.
Ill be posting pictures when I get back :)
Thanks for any assisstance[/QUOTE]
Lost,
I really appreciate the tip you posted:) Did you have any favorite places to go? Things I must see? Chicas I must see?
Hows your spanish? My spanish is poor and I know that will hurt me.
Thanks again for your valuable input!
Tampafunn
Is there anyone in Cali at the moment?
Hey Tampa Fun,
There's a friend of mine in Cali who works as a guide and translator in Cali, he will help you in finding whatever you need and he's inexpensive. Call him at this number 310 395 27 03 when you are down there. His name is Andy.
Hey,
Contact this taxi driver, his name is Felix franco ph. # is 315 573 4849. is english is pefect.. have him take you to this 1 place..ull love this place.its along the Rio Cali.. hes knows which 1 it is.25 girls working there.If you like call me here in Largo fla..Ill fill you in all about Cali . i just came back from Cali 2 weeks ago. Ull love the Chicas of Cali. 727 586 1117 Gary
I really appreciate ou posted:) Did you have any favorite places to go? Things I must see? Chicas I must see?
Hows your spanish? My spanish is poor and I know that will hurt me.
Thanks again for your valuable input!
Tampafunn[/QUOTE]
Lost in Paradise: the bellboy is Gustavo (not Gustav); he is very helpful and speaks good English, but he does expect tips for help (which i give him).
Tampa: IMHO if your Spanish is poor, I would stick to Cartagena as you will have a VERY hard time in Cali. Guides can only help you so much (like if you are trying to bond with a non pro and canbnot speak any Spanish your odds are VERY limited IMHO).
Andreas (I THINK the guy Mojo refers to as Andy in post below) is a cool, young, guy (whereas Ramon is MUCH older and can not cruise the non pro discos like a buddy the way Andreas can).
My first trip to Cali, on two occasion i had young 19-20 yr chicas eyeballed me bigtime at this internet cafe. BUT my spanish(5 week of pimsleur) at that time was really bad, couldn't even say anthing beyond hola, without resorting to my phrase book. I wasn't quick enough, i had to let those opp't pass. I did score w/ a non pro but that we met on the internet and she spoke some english put was patience with me.
I notice my next trip to BOG, my spanish(5 mos of pimsleur) was much better and consequently was able to connect faster w/ non pros and pros! In cali chicas eyeball alot more than in BOG, so you if you can talk, you're in. Plus your "foreigner" exotic factor goes a lot longer ways than BOG.
I have used Andreas twice, and can vouch for him. His english is excellent and he is honest. He knows all of the hotspots, has a list of chica models and can negotiate anything from an apartment to a girl. PM me if you want his e-mail.
plus meals and drinks..Your right his name is Gustavo..Have him fix you up w/ Caroliana.. This girl is kinky and does house calls...70, 000 Pesos..If you meet her ask her to wear those sexy red thong underwear..She likes you wearing them while doing her anal.. Shes a srcreammmmer..oooooooh papppppi..
That sound's like a riot Lost In Paradise, I'll be defentally up for wearing her knickers for the corn-hole action, best tip I have got from this site. You are my new hero dude.
Thanks
You got Carolina for 70K through Gustavo? You are a better bargainer than I am then (though I kept her several hours). She is VERY openminded to all requests and is, as you indicate, quite vocal.
I never hire ANY guide; I met Andreas (he was guiding an Americvan guy) and liked him was all I meant. Not an endorsement of hiring him.
Caslug: Sssssshhhhhhh
Hello and seasons greetings to all. I will soon be submitting some pics of a chica from the casa right next to the casa 'Faraon' on La Avenida del Rio. I forgot the name of the casa and the chica. She's from medellin and quite a caracter as well. Though, IMHO, Fantasias Internacional [url]http://www.fantasias-internacional.com[/url] was a far better place. The casa on Calle 13 # 22a - 44 Barrio Junin, which seems to be the main one, is far better in terms of the rooms and the chicas than their second location.
A fellow monger has made a list available on most of the places to monger in Cali. The prices have gone up just a tad bit since then - very reasonable still. I stopped by a few of them but Fantasias took it away for me in terms of price, girls, room and availability. It was funny accidentally walking into the room where all the chicas sleep/live while they're there. It was also somewhat bizare seeing the owner of the place having drinks with some cops in uniform on one of my visits to the place. Nothing to worry about since it was business as usual. In fact, I felt safer knowing the cops were there.
Here are the pics of the chica from the casa that is right next to 'FARAON' on la Avenida del Rio.
As you all know, I was in Cali for about two months and my experience with eyeballing was quite a bit different than Caslug, I also had a couple of foriegner friends who I think shared the same luck as me.
I did notice though, girls would look when I was with a girl, and quite obviously. Maybe because I was usually with an ultra hot girl or maybe they just wanted to get me in trouble. Never the less, walk through Chippe Chappe one day without a girl and another day with a girl and do the comparison yourself.
Colombia has such a vast cultural look that I myself often had problems guessing if someone was a foriegner or not, because of this the "Rock Star Effect" of girls giving you definate signs of interest are way down in Latin America compared to Asia.
That and Latin America has had alot more interactions with Foriegners and the word has spread more about hunters like ourselves. I have been doing research for my next 2 trips, which will be starting late March or April, and I think Thailand may be similar because of this, so I may hop over to the Philippines for some GFE action.
I will also be going to Costa Rica to meet up with "FREE SEX" the guy who helped me in Panama, to repay the favor. Also, I have actually been dreaming about a return trip to Nicaragua and the city of Managua so we will be taking the $10 dollar bus from San Jose to get there.
Although Nicas don't really hold a candle to Colombianas as far as beauty, I can't help to forget the awesome service and the quarter mile with 100 girls on the street. ALL easily had for $30 for the Night!
I am also missing Colombia, I wish I would have figured out that Newspaper Ad thing sooner, and I am planning to try it in Costa Rica and Nicaragua in March. "FREE SEX" is trying it in the D.R. as we speak, so we will have to see his results." I think it might go over better in other countries than Colombia because using a cell phone is SO expensive in Colombia, compared to places like Nicaragua or the D.R..
America sucks right now, I am feeling the ugly pain of reality every time I look at my new American girlfriend... :-(
Oh well 5 more months and I am outta here :-)
Happy mongering you lucky bastards....
Travieso
I've had the same experiences as MM ... when you're with a hot chica it seems the other chicas just want you more ... more stares, smiles, etc ...
As you prob have experienced as well ... Cartagena is much different than say Cali or Medellin ... the chicas there, if they dig you at all, are very playful and aggressive ... you'll definitely get the smiles and stares and " hola Papi" ...
MM ... I also visit Managua frequently ... I love strolling the "stretch of chicas" along that main road ... I've found some nice chicas there too.
Suerte !!
Your right about other girls checking you out when you're with another girls. When i went to lunch at chipichape food court w/ my dates, We would get check out(curiousity) by lots other girls who were eating. As you mention, they don't EYEBALL you just walking down the street, both times that happend to me, i was in an internet cafe and speaking horrible spanish and asking if the cashier if they spoke any english. DEAD give away i was gringo. LOL.
That's when i got eyeball and smiles from cuties that were standing next to the counter. Same w/ the food court, when the table next to mine(with girls) would hear my by spanish and see me using my dictionary, they would check us(me&date) out.
Cyperdas, i know what you mean about seeing where the chicas sleep. I went into to a casa once at midnight and was led down the hall by the manager, and in the rooms there were 2-4 chicas sleeping or listening to the radio in the dark. I guess when they don't have clients they just pass the time like that.
First & foremost, the ABSENCE of large numbers of "predators" (to use MM's term). Girls will smile at you, but on balance they are not as cute as Colom,bianas IMHO.
Prices are cheaper than Colombia too, BUT I found Managua WAY more dangerous than most Colombian cities. More issues with thievery by the girls than in Colombia too.
Also, Carretera Massaya, the street with all the streetwalkers, had a large number of travestis (TVs) . The Playboy Club (now closed I think) was great, but LIPS, Red Palace etc seemed like overpriced clip joints. There was another area just East of the airport (on direct road to Granada) where SWs congregated.
Ricker's experience is surely more current than mine, however. Ricker, can ytou comment on how Nica scvene has changed over last several years? Thanks (I will look in Managua folder as I know this is Cali board).
Predetors like yourselves, picking up the the misery that you created around you. thanks to the misery created by the US around the world but specially latin america, you can come here and pay 15 bucks for a girl and less. And some even try to bargain, you can ask the guru of this board, mr Antifreeze. The paradox is that you create the misery within your own country. I came back from the states recently and it hurts everytime I see around me, I smell the decomposition of a country that's slowly dying but that's taking everyone else down with it.
Do you still have pent up animosity towards me Surfer?
We agree on everything...
Except, that me and the US State Department find Managua to be more safe than even a laid back city like Cali. Although, I would recommend staying away from ultra poor neighborhoods and the mercado oriental, Nicaragua is still safer than Colombia.
Recently in Colombia:
Criminals sometimes use the drug "scopolamine" to incapacitate tourists in order to rob them.
This happened to a friend of mine in Cali and as they threw him out of the car, after they had his money, his shoe got stuck and severly hurt his ankle.
He will walk with a limp for the rest of his life.
Although, I still feel Cali is safe enough for the smart traveler.
Happy Hunting,
Master Monger
I think we all can admit that Colombia ... Cali, Medellin, Cartagena etc ... has something special about it's atmosphere.
... listening to the Salsa music or the music which I love, de los Vallenatos ...
... relaxing and enjoying the hip-hugger cladded chicas strolling by ...
... the numerous PFP locations as well as the beautiful regular chicas
... and more
However, lets not kid ourselves ... it can be dangerous. If you're a seasoned explorer ... like Surfer or MM or like many others on this board ... you prob have developed a sixth sense about you that helps keep you away from this danger.
As far as street crime goes ... the difference between Cali or Managua is prob zero ... they both have mucho poverty and their share of "bad guys" willing to rob you of your "plata".
The bigger the city, like Bogota, Caracas, NYC ... more "bad guys".
As far as kidnapping, occassional bombing, etc ... we have to admit Colombia wins for danger ... I mean, would you rent a car and drive from Bogota to Cartagena? Definitely not.
When I lived in Guatemala, we drove all over C. America ... sure there was occassional problems but not life threatening.
I've had fun in Managua ... like MM said, that strip in Zona Rosa has some nice chicas and the price is cheap ... the (TVs) hang out on the far end of the road ... not along the main strip ... I was just there 2 weeks ago for a night.
However, the quality of chicas is not that of Colombia ... and the fun atmosphere ... IMHO ... is not even close to that of Colombia.
On that note ... I'm back to Venezuela tomorrow where the chicas are on even par with Colombianas and the fun meter is pegged.
Suerte amigos!
I just returned from Cali using Andres service.Pretty sneaky of Andy to find me apartnent showing me this nice 1 bedroom for 1 .7 mil pesos for 1 month. I latter found out he got his nice commision from the landlady.. He told me the lady was firm on 1 .7mil. and there was no commision in for him. yeah right . My deal w/ him was he can stayed there after my 2 week vacation is over. Does any1 know what Andres does besides FINDING APARTMENTS 4 TOURIST? He sends me this email nice 2 bedroom apartment 2. 7. mil per month.. I say to him offer her 2 mil see if she takes it. yepp but you better act quickly. righttttt Andy.
PERCEPTIONS often being more important than reality when it comes to "danger" I suppose, I can only state MY PERSONAL FEELING of insecurity while in Managua. The countryside CERTAINLY is safer than in Colombia, and perhaps I have a false sense of security in Cali because I am so familiar with it. Also, I rented a 4X4 in Managua (to access the surfing beaches near Rivas) while I take taxis in Cali (and the taxistas KNOW the areas to avoid).
But i certainly defer to Ricker's opinion of relative safety, and Nica was experiencing a large series of Earthquakes when I wass there that added to the climate of fear (as a Californian I wasn't nervous, but the people wewre literally sleeping outside when I arrived because they feared their houses would collpase (this was Summer of 2000). .
I also feared shakedowns by police in Managua MUCH more than in Colombia. I got hit up TWICE while driving in Managua, once with reason once without. One incident (where they had a reason) was a humorous anecdote which I shall tell here.
I am VEHEMENTLY opposed to driving while intoxicated and would NEVER do so at home. But in Managua I had the 4X4 so I chose to drive with a friend to Playboy Club (where you were required to buy a bottle). So we leave at 3am and I am quite buzzed, but there is ZERO traffic on the street and our hotel was closeby and there was no way I was leaving the rig there overnight.
As anyone who has driven in Managua can tell you, road markings are virtually nonexistent and one way streets can suddenly become one way IN THE OPPOSITE DIRECTION with no warning. So I cruise through just such an intersection and all of a sudden find myself heading straight into a police truck heading the opposite direction. I hit the brakes and 3 heavily armed cops jump out with guns drawn with tension written all over their faces (like they expected a gunbattle with traqueros). As soon as they realize we are two gringos coming home from a night out, the tension in their faces is replaced with shit eating grins. These guys are SO friendly now. So they begin discussing the code section for going the wrong way into a one way street and begin arguing amonst themselves ("es siete ******", "no, es quince claro, no sabves nada . . . ."). They have a card listed sections and fines but cannot agree on which section applies. I give them $20 or so worth of Cordobas and all is forgiven. In fact, they tell me I can continue going the wrong way up the one way street until reaching my hotel, and they then provide us an escort back to the hotel. NEVER once mentioned a breathalyzer despite the fact I am SURE I smelled of Bacardi.
MM: Nope, got no "animosity" towards you. I think your constant discussion of how cool you THINK you are (and how you view people from other countries as inferior) a bit excessive, but to each their own.
I DO, however, think you should NOT purport to speak for all of us when you refer to mongers as "predators"; I, for one, would NEVER refer to myself in that fashion but then I do not view pleasure assistants as "prey" to be brutalized. I LOVE foreign women and like to HELP THEM (the fact that I seek sexual pleasure in return does not, IMHO, make me a "predator"). Your posts with statements like that are fertile recruiting tools for femanazis and NGOs who want to portray we punters as "predators" and they DO read this board.
I sincerely wish you the best of luck, and am happy you have decided to focus on China instead of Colombia. This is the same way I felt when Saint decided to move to Argentina instead of Colombia (and I continue to wish for him to succeed with his business in BA). Cheers.
Surfer Read your post out loud before you post it.
So you can correct your obvious mistakes, and also so you can hear what your posts sound like. Just a tip...
I am sure though....everyone is much more afraid of Nicaragua now that you told them you got pulled over, FOUR YEARS AGO, going down the wrong way of a one way street. Not only that, but it only cost you $20 and they didn't bust you for being intoxicated. I understand why you were drunk though, I "know" they not only make you buy a bottle, but also force you to drink it all.
I actually experience pain in my head, sometimes, when I read your posts.
[QUOTE=Surfer]
MM: Nope, got no "animosity" towards you. I think your constant discussion of how cool you THINK you are (and how you view people from other countries as inferior) a bit excessive, but to each their own.[/QUOTE]
I am arrogant but I think I have some bragging rights, and so do a lot of other members on here. I don't view people from other countries as inferior, if anything I feel that way about a lot of Americans, which is why I am leaving the US and moving to the Orient.
[QUOTE=Surfer]
I DO, however, think you should NOT purport to speak for all of us when you refer to mongers as "predators"; I, for one, would NEVER refer to myself in that fashion but then I do not view pleasure assistants as "prey" to be brutalized. I LOVE foreign women and like to HELP THEM (the fact that I seek sexual pleasure in return does not, IMHO, make me a "predator"). Your posts with statements like that are fertile recruiting tools for femanazis and NGOs who want to portray we punters as "predators" and they DO read this board.[/QUOTE]
Well, I apologize for using the word Predator, I was using it as a synonym to hunters or mongers, mostly because a lot of people say Happy Hunting, but I have hence changed it to hunters. I am glad you are finding it so controversial to pounce on me with, but let's look at what you said.
I think I will even send an anonymous letter to the Colombian Newspapers and Government. It will go like this: This guy I know from California wants to help the girls of Colombia by trading them Sex for Money. I am sure they will be thrilled an use much less harsh words than Predator. In fact, I am sure you want to help those who don't have food first. Maybe you can negotiate a program similar to Iraq's "Oil For Food" but of course call it "Sex for Food"
[QUOTE=Surfer]
I sincerely wish you the best of luck, and am happy you have decided to focus on China instead of Colombia. This is the same way I felt when Saint decided to move to Argentina instead of Colombia (and I continue to wish for him to succeed with his business in BA). Cheers.[/QUOTE]
Your final paragraph put it all together for me, you are jealous and mad at me and Saint because we came to your favorite city, tore it up with awesome girls and prices and then we both spoke the truth and said there are a lot better places in the world. Well sorry...
Happy Hunting,
Master Monger
Hey LIP,
Finding someone you can trust is more valuable than getting the GFE from a chica. The second is assured with a little patience. The other is very hard.
Even the top people for apt in Cartagena have had their troubles. I have only one person I can trust, the rest of my experience has been consistently bad! Once they have the dough in their hands, forget it. Hiring someone to find you a 'good deal' will mean you get someone that will find you an apt for the price he thinks you can pay.
Best thing is to find a connect you can trust and ask him. If you want some apt in Cartagena, I can lead you to the right person. No commission for me (I don't need it quite frankly) and you can get a quality place for a good price. There are shit apt for less, but I don't recommend them. I pay around 40-60 bucks a night, but the 60 buck a night place is pimping sweet. I saw a few in the 50 range and there are a few tight one's there as well. I know some dude will jump in and rave about the 25$ place and they are usually shitholes as far as I'm concerned.
I'm getting a little burnt on the apts with their fucking security guards. I had an unusual problem this trip where I brought four friends with me over to the apt for a drink (not for a fuck, just for an hour until my friend showed up. These girls were well known as 'good', meaning no rip-off chicas). The guy stopped us and told us we couldn't go up. "One girl, one guy" was his rule. I tried explaining what was going on in Spanish but he was adamant. Total fucking bullshit when you see the Colombians rolling in with like 8 of their buddies, family members and who knows what in tow.
I had to get the lady who rented us the apt so we could go up. No one was acting rowdy, it was just this guy getting a bug up his ass. I can respect what they are doing if they are doing it consistently, or for a good reason (drunken asshole, etc). But I don't consider myself one of these and I expect to be treated with the same respect I give out. I am seriously thinking of looking at houses for rent for the future, and I will report what I find. You can get one with good security not too much more than apt. I have one in mind and will check it out next trip if things don't improve.
As far as touts, I try not to use them but probably would for Cali. I think the overall casa quality is so low I would rather get chicas to my door and just scope them.
I had a great two weeks in Cartagena recently. If you have any questions besides "Where can I meet that Medellin chica?" (answer: Medellin probably since I met her over six months ago at Playboy. She's no longer there dudes, sorry!!).
Most of the old farts from Cali and other towns are not as fast as you whne it comes to the girls, and I appreciated your details and reports.
Please don't take alot of their abuse because of your success. Sex is about ego! and scoring! and alot of the slower guys are jealous and wish they could get as many scores as you did. Don't listen to their crap, just keep up the good work and good reports.
I did not send this by PM because alot of other guys are silently reading your reports and envious.
Sorry NPaul, no jealousy whatsoever. Should there be more technological awareness and resources in the hands of women that are "preyed", there would be an equivalent to wsg for women. They would go on and brag about the fact that they got so many $$$ out of this guy, dated 4 guys at the time during that period, and make group trips to Tijuana just to prey on men together for some time so that they could learn some new techniques from each other.
The ones that are being "preyed" are not exclusively the women. Let's face it, sex is about a symbiosis. We use them as they use us. Inflating someone's ego is part of their technique and they're good at it. Women are far from stupid (and even more in Colombia where it's not a game, it's a survival necessity for a lot of them).
That being said, I also loved MM's reports. I take what I want to take from them. If MM wants to be full of himself, then let him be. We all have the right to our personality, even online (as long as people are not rude and irrespectful of others - everything goes).
Happy "hunting" and "hunted"
Freeze
NPaul,
Thanks for the encouragement, I get a lot of PM's praising my reports so I know I have a lot of fans. I only have a few haters and they are usually mad because I speak the truth about my experiences. People got mad when I gave my general synopsis of Latin Women, but I can tell you, more people PMed me in agreement than disagreement. I am a non-sugar coating, tell it like it is, honest to a fault, type of a guy. Sometimes peoples feelings get hurt in one way or another and they retaliate. I am not to worried about it, I usually can out debate most people. I wouldn't ever want to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off Freeze though, he is a level headed intelligent guy, who might be able to take me in a debate....maybe Ricker too. I feel sorry for Surfer, I embrace the ego of others and often search out those type of people to work for me.
Freeze,
The more I read your posts the more I like you, you are very open-minded and non-judgmental, which I find true signs of Intelligence. If you keep writing like this I may return to Cali just to hang out with you for awhile. As far as my ego being part of my technique...YOU NAILED IT...when my ego is inflated girls seem to flock to me like a moth to a flame and it also gives me the balls to get what I want. Now back in the US, having reality set in, has reduced my ego and I am able to walk through standard doorways...LOL. Anyway buddy, don't lose your subjectivity it is what separates people like us from the ignorant people of the world.
Freeze, can you imagine a "pleasure assistant" (as the Politically correct Surfer calls it) whipping out a digital camera to take a pic, so they can post it under the "Suckers" Photo Gallery, section....kinda scary actually :)
Hey guys,
All this talk about apartments, if you need an apartment in Cali, I recommended an awesome girl "Yuli" pronounced Julie for you guys to contact, earlier in my previous posts, she also has property in Bogota and other cities. Call her, Terrazzas De Granada is the best building she has in Cali and it was less than $20/night and you can see it in my Cali pictures..it was AWESOME I have high standards. RTFF
Also NEVER BRING CASH TO COLOMBIA...ONLY YOUR ATM CARD.
Stay True to Your Experiences, no matter good or bad, I would rather hear the truth even if it is your opinion.
Good Luck Getting Hunted,
Master Monger
[QUOTE=Lost In Paradise]I just returned from Cali using Andres service.Pretty sneaky of Andy to find me apartnent showing me this nice 1 bedroom for 1 .7 mil pesos for 1 month. I latter found out he got his nice commision from the landlady.. He told me the lady was firm on 1 .7mil. and there was no commision in for him. yeah right . My deal w/ him was he can stayed there after my 2 week vacation is over. Does any1 know what Andres does besides FINDING APARTMENTS 4 TOURIST? He sends me this email nice 2 bedroom apartment 2. 7. mil per month.. I say to him offer her 2 mil see if she takes it. yepp but you better act quickly. righttttt Andy.[/QUOTE]Andy you knew I was coming 2 monthes in advance to Cali.. Make some calls , looking in newspaper (use your head Andy ). get a listing of 20 rental available.. the best price, sorta like being rental broker. you got real good DEALS.. such as maybe 1 mil peasos for 2 weeks.. or 600.,000 1 week on rental apartments... Your the man Andy on showing rentals to fellow travelers. plus you get you commision ANDY.. ,Your busy all the time because you prices are better then hotels.plus your places are nicer then hotels...Any1 out there wanna invest in web site w/ me..showing hows it done.. no big investment just a couple brains..putting site together.. plus put on [piture the house keeper in thongs and heels. also need cook too..sexyyy maid outfit black hose..ill bet the rentals are busy.. just a dream of mine.. ill be in Colombian soon.. sure miss the casas there. Gary.
Hey guys no matter who you agree with the majority of chicas you will hook up with in Colombia are with you for the money or good time. Lets not kid ourselves here, I look at it this way. All women are *****s everywhere (except my mother and yours of course). They look at us as a goodtime too, a chance to eat at a place where no Colombian guy will take them and to be treated kindly but we are also the golden goose that going to flock off so why not get a little gold before the gringo goes away. I dont mind if they do from me as long as they do it with a little style and I get what I want. After all, isnt this why we go to places like Colombia for?
Rufus
MM wrote "there are a lot better places in the world". Thank God that Colombia and those who love her can now rest easy knowing that the self described "predator", who refers to Colombianas as "cheap trash", will now take his act elsewhere.
Ok, Ok ... I have to admit, I feel sort of honored by the semi-compliment (sp?) given to me by MMonger in his latest post.
MM ... Gracias, but no debates with me please, I've had one too many with the ex-esposa in my old life ... unless you're buying the cervezas that is ... ja ja (spanish for ha ha).
Npaul ... honestly, I didn't understand your post to MMonger.
Something about MM being faster than the old farts with the girls ... did you mean faster in bed or a faster, smoother talker or what?
As far as the comment about guys being jealous because MM got more scores than them ... I have to laugh.
If you know Colombia or latin America, you know that it doesn't take a lot of skill to "score" a lot ... anyone can score as much as they want to if they have the "plata".
Some guys are just looking for fun and want to "score" as much as they can, others are looking to find their "dream girl" . Some, like me, a little of each.
Bottom line is Npaul ... of course guys (myself incl) are envious when we see MM's posts and pictures ... we want to be there with those chicas too, don't you?
MMonger rubs some guys wrong with his admitted arrogance not his amount of "scores" as you put it ... I'm glad he's scoring, I just want to be there too .. and so does he again, I'm sure, now that he's back in the "Windy City".
I do have to say though ... MM does have a style about him that I like ... I took some things he said earlier the wrong way but I believe, especially as he gains even more wisdom through even more travels and experiences, he's a pretty sharp dude.
Believe it or not ... being an old fart, as you referred to in your post (which maybe I am at 40 yrs ... not sure when that term starts to apply) ... has it's advantages too ... experience goes a long way ... and thank heavens the latina digs the "older dude" (sorry, I mean, "old fart" ... ja ja) ... my new novia (girlfriend) in Venezuela is 18 and damn I love that she calls me "Papi".
... I'm sure Colombia hasn't seen the last of MMonger ...
Suerte amigos !!
Surfer,
If you were not so ignorant, I might think you are a politician, with your constant obsession with political correctness and your constant belief that if "you" LIE about what others say, it will make it true.
By me stating "there are a lot better places in the world" in no way implied I would never return, so...whatever.
Also in clarification I said "some of the Colombianas are cheap trash" but I also feel every ethnicity or country has cheap trash men and women. I can even refer you to some of them in America....just crack out your family album Surfer.
Ricker,
I am sorry Ricker for watering down the compliment, I am positive you are intelligent and level headed. Although, I do remember pushing a few of your buttons a while back and you flying off the handle a bit. This is very similar to myself so I said it would be a close debate between us. On the other hand, I don't think I have ever seen Freeze...lose his cool (no pun intended).
Therefore he has the advantage to remaining subjective so he can use non-biased info that will be accepted by all. Also I think old fart officially starts AFTER retirement age so we are safe for awhile yet. I am not too young, I am 30 ya know.
TIP of the DAY:
In Cali there are many massage places that advertise in the paper or in the phone book. The prices are anywhere from 20k($8) to 30k($12) for one hour of a real, good, professional massage. I visited about 6 different places and they ranged greatly in the look of professionalism.
Here is the awesome news....after a good massage with oil, they ALL included a happy ending JerkOff and only one girl out of six asked for a tip. Even when I thought it looked like the place was too professional to offer it. Also you can usually touch the girl while she is masterbating you. Some of the places were obvious when they handed you an extras menu offering nudity, BBBJ, or FS for extra.
BUT as a rule, in Cali, remember, happy ending jerkoffs are included in the first massage price. NO extra is needed, and touching the girl is usually allowed.
Happy Hunting,
Master Monger
Hey MM,
Good tip about the massage parlours, I'll file that away for next year. I also like the classified ad idea.
Rufus
MM ... sounds good to me ...
Now for a few fotos ... I took them in Venezuela, but one of the chicas was a Colombiana from Cali so what the heck ... I'll post them here.
Foto 1 ... la Calena
Venezolana 2 de Maracaibo ...
Venezolana 4 and 5 de Caracas ...
suerte !
Ricker ya 'ol dog, that is some sweet ass on foto1! Is she your new 18yr old novia. Dang you have a good life!
I'm not a predator.
I'm a pro-dater. ;>)
I'm a native Colombian whose lived his entire life in NYC. Ill be in Medellin (first time there) for a week from about Fri Jan 22, then onto Cali (only there twice, once with my ex, over a decade ago) where my folks live, for three weeks after that. Now I 'm ready to really explore what my native land has to offer! Other than my clothes, I do blend in well, but my main advantage is my American accent on otherwise flawless Spanish. I can pour it on as necessary ;) As I approach my twenty-year retirement I'm seriously considerning moving to Colombia or D.R. (early forties , look much younger , good shape) THis is the first of my exploratory trips. You guys, Ricker, Antifreeze, Aussie Greg ( too many to mention) have posted such excellent reports I'm practically salivating! To anyone whose got game, I wouldn't mind catching a beer or two (as well as a chica!) with some `gringo bait'. Pm me! We could be a deadly combination!
I know this is a random question but I am trying to locate 2 guys who were in Boca Chica when the kid shot himself in June. 2 really cool cats but I lost their info coming back into the states. Said they would be in Cali around DEC. One gave me a CD of Salsa fom Colombia. PM me if your here.
Colombia's country code is 57. CTG area code is 5. Can anyone tell me please Cali's area code for land ph. calling, not cell. Thanks very much.
Cali is 2.
[url]http://www.1areacodescountrycodes.com/international-country-codes-city-calling-code-colombia.htm[/url]
The code for Cali is 2. For international dialing do 011-57-2-XXX-XXXX.
Freeze
Hi Antifreeze,
Prompt reply. Muchas gracias.
Do anybody have an internet adress or know a real estate that rent furnished apartments in Cali for 2-3 weeks?
Hotels girl-friendly would be interesting too.
Volpone,
Email this person for what you are looking for: [email]caliguide@yahoo.com[/email] or call him at his cell phone: 310 3952703
There was a posting about a high-end place with heaps of hot chicas with big breast implants. Apparently I didn't save the posting in time because it's no longer coming up when I do a search on Colombia using the term "breast implant". It was one of only a few posts that came up on that search.
I love big tits and I want to know where this 'mansion' is that the guy was describing.
Does anyone know. I believe the girls went upstairs with you for about $100US-150. It supposedly had a big front gate so nobody can park inside. They sit you down on a couch, they serve you a drink, and hot chicks casually pass by to see if you're interested.
I arrived in Cali Jan 3rd on Avianca. Almost the identical flight from Miami to Cali as American Airlines, but often a less expensive flight. When passing through customs in Cali, a women handed out a slip of paper (in English and Spanish) giving some recommendations about taking taxis from the airport. Iīm wondering if something provoked this. Anyway, I made it to Cali fine and checked into Hotel Windsor which is near the discos on Sexta and close to Flora Frescas. It costs around 100 mil per night ($40). Be prepared when you check-in to some local Cali hotels, itīs often name-your-own-price. I started to high with 100 Mil based on the immediate OK I got from the receptionist.
I headed to Frescas soon after checking in. The quality of women was average for Frescas and the price had increased since I last visited. Itīs 15 Mil to enter, 60 Mil for a half bottle of Rum and Coke, 180 Mil for an hour with a girl, and 30 Mil for the room. I didnīt notice them charging separately for the girl and room before, maybe I got screwed. That adds up to over $100, which is very expensive for Cali. I took a very petite one named Jennifer down to a room and she was great.
The next morning I was off to the bus terminal in Cali where I bought a ticket on Palmira Express to Pereira. Only 15 Mil ($6). Itīs a 3 hour trip. This is a great way to visit other cities while you are in Colombia. In Pereira, I checked into Hotel Melia which is 200 Mil per night. Soon after, I decided to get my teeth whitened for only 250 Mil. The assistants at the dentist were hot. This is one trip to the dentist I enjoyed. Unfortunately, that was the hightlight of my trip to Pereira. I went to three clubs in the night, Flora Frescas (yes, in Pereira), Star Club, and La Barre Club. All had poor quality women and uninteresting/boring settings. I had heard women from Pereira were sexy and easy, but I did not experience this on my trip. I had planned to stay two nights, but cut the trip short to return to Cali for some fun.
Back to Cali for a few more nights visiting Frescas and trying the non-pros on Sexta. Nothing outstanding to report. It actually started to get a little boring. I think this visit was too long. Around 3 days per visit is enough for me in Cali.
Greetings,
I fly in to Bogota Febuary 12th, leave the 21st. anyone travelling to Cali? I'm planang a few days in Cali. and also Cart. Been two times to Cart and three to Bogota for me. want to check out cali quality. Others experts or newbies, please respond. Hablo espaņol.
Love the colombianas!
Elloco, Belmont, Mujeriego.
i'm planning to return to cali and actually doing the same route as you, bus to piera and teeth withening, probably not in perira. How was the downtown bus terminals in cali or periera is fairly safe? Is 250 mil for teeth whitening the average price? I heard great story about periera too. I was in Cali for 10 days and was bored during the day, at night was OK because that's when you usually meetup w/ the non-pros.
I'm heading to Lima next weekend and i hear the peruvian chicas are even MORE friendly than chica in COL. That would be something!
[QUOTE=Mojo Rasing]Volpone,
Email this person for what you are looking for: [email]caliguide@yahoo.com[/email] or call him at his cell phone: 310 3952703. Andres aint worth a shit w/ apartment.. Heres my experience w/ Andy. He email me This lady has apartment 2.7 mil. I say to him offer her 2 mil. pesos. 20 mins latter, she take 2mil, but you have to get it quick. Yeahhhh. Right, Andres.
Just pick up a news paper when you get there. Lots of apartments rentals, cheap.
kdog,
The fact that everything was dead is most probably related to the fact that last weekend (I assume that you were in during last weekend) was a puente (maning that Monday's off) for the day of the Kings.
As I stated many times, Cali (and most probably Pereira) are pretty boring places to be during puentes.
Thank the highly hypothetical God that the next puente is in March. We can now get back to work and fun.
Freeze
I took a day to go to Palmira last weekend. It's about 30 minutes from Cali, will cost you about 1200 pesos in bus (about 50 cents if the dollar doesn't drop another 20% this week), and you'll get a new playground to play in.
Once in Palmira, go to the 42nd. It's busy at night (don't go there during the day, nothing happens there). There is another Flores Frescas there. Although it is the same name, it's a different concept. Girls were extremely pretty, and there was a lot of them. But they were also cold and didn't make it easy for you to break the ice. There are 3 bars on the 42nd with girls (Flores Frescas, the next building on it's left - don't remeber the name, and Champagne).
Overall, a pretty good trip that I'd suggest to everyone. The only downside is that the last bus coming back from Palmira to Cali is around 9:30. Should you miss it, you're up to paying a 25,000 pesos taxi.
Anybody knows about a good hotel with a swimming pool and with true broadband internet in the room? I need fast internet in the room to work daily for about 4-5 hours.
I will be in Cali for the first time for 10 days or 2 weeks in the beginning of March.
Iīll be flying over from Lima, Peru, where I have spend months and months on numerous visits.
I noticed lately that Iīm a little bored with most of the girls here in Lima, so it's time to hit a new place.
Most important thing to me is the internet though.
Chicaīs can and will come after that.
Iīm 24, speak Spanish and look ok.
1. Hotel Don Jaime is now INSISTENT on charging 27,000 for overnight guests. I am a regular there and know the staff but despite my pleas and protests, they CLAIM new management insusts due to a directive from the Government of Valle. I am suspicious of this claim and will call me other main hotel in Cali to verify, but adding that 27K makes the price difference betwen HDJ and my other place small enough (they give me a tariffa cooperativa)that I would stay at the other which is solid 4 star +.
2. Met Wolfybaby who is a great guy. Hope to see you again before too long.
3. They now have an Xray machine at Cali airport. Some may recall a scandal last year when people were forced to pay big $$ to a hospital for stomachj Xrays then gave kickbacks to the cops. I am a White, clean cut affluent looking guy and both myself and another guy who also did not meet the profile got stomach Xrays, PERHAPS because we wwere last people to clear immigration. They asked me why I showed up 1 hour before the departure, rather than suggested 3 houirs, and I said because I was sleeping at 5.30 in the morning (didn't admit that I also wanted a final quickie with my accompante). So MAYBE it was that, but ALL passengers got frisked upon arrival in Medellin too (another first for me) and they had dogs running over the suitcases as they came on conveyor. Looks like increase in drug surveilance.
4. Antifreeze is getting so old his hair is begininng to fall out LOL
5. I still love Cali for its chicas but will say no more on this forum.
I am planning to be in Cali March 25 - April 3. I would love to hook up with some of you guys to monger together. I welcome both locals and visitors who will be there at that time.
I am open to any advice on where to stay and where to find the best chicas. Anyone wishing to get together to monger, please let me know!
DB
the 24th through 28th of March is VERY tough to find rooms, flights etc because all Colombians are visiting family etc. Plus most nightclubs are closed or have only skeleton staffs.
Surfer, thanks for the tip, but those are the days that my work is shut down. I do have the flights reserved, so that is not a problem. One to Cali, the other to Bogota, and I have about a week to decide which one I want to take.
Actually, these were the only two monger destinations in the WORLD that had flights available for my frequent flyer miles! So, ready or not, here I come.
There are no flights available to me later than the 25th, so if I have to be a regular tourist for four days, I will just have to monger harder after that.
I do not have a room yet, and sent off some feelers today. Also wrote a number of non-pro Columbianas, and have two nibbles already, so maybe I can use them to fill in the breach.
Still looking for helpful tips from you guys.
Thanks, DB
Hi guys. Here's a quick message to tell you why you should never move to Cali permanently.
I've lived here for 2 years now! I now have 2 horses, about 5 girlfriends, a wife and 2 kids. A couple of years ago, things were way simpler.
Bottom line is the following. There are way too many temptations down here! It's just unbelievable how life is different in a latin country than in a so-called western civilized country.
I am 36 years old, and it appears that I am going through my mid-life crisis. I've been married with a Calena for 8 years now. Although I strongly believe that she's awesome, with 2 kids, her body is not what it was and there are plenty of beautiful girls around me to remind me that. Also, since we've lived in the US for 3/4 of our relationship, she got some character defects that were accumulated there (thinking that she owes me, thinking that she can corner me into marriage because of fear of divorce). For some time, I've been releasing some pressure in casas, but lately got involved a bit deeper with some girls that I had to warn my wife about that. She know that I went in casas and got to accept that fact (although it was a difficult thing for her at first). But now, emotions are involved, that's once again a different thing. So, I told her a couple of weeks ago about it. Dear, I am meeting other people and am getting emotionaly attached to them. There was an obvious shock on her end and her answer was basically that I am with her or without her (divorce). But, after time passed by, and that she looked at her alternatives, she's putting some water in her wind glass. She's 30, not bad looking, but not a bomb shell either, has 2 kids, no jobs, a good life with about 4 million pesos monthly (minimal wage here is about 360,000 pesos), has a car, a house and a good little settled life. although I would never throw her into poverty, there would obviously be some effect to our divorce.
So, here is where we get to Colombia. The system is so screwed up here that she really doesn't have any protection whatsoever. She is then forced to be reasonable in everything that happens. In her case, that means considering losing all that just for the fact that she can't accept that a guy is actually a guy. Once she considered stuffed carefully, it all becomes clear in her mind. Conclusion: she communicated to me that I can do what I want during the day (meeting people, dancing, relationships, etc), as long as I come back to sleep at night with her she'll accept it - no questions asked. During which time, she'll try to reinsert some of that long gone magic in our couple so that I do not need any other outside relationship.
Once again a screwed up system helps people becoming better. How great is that for the system to actually encourage people to work together on issues instead of looking for quick fixes? In the US, I would have been long divorced. Now, instead of that, I have a wife that understands better what is it to be with a man, but really for better or for worst.
Last Friday I went out with Edith. She's a 25 year old accounting student with the best body and face I've seen in here. We went out for a drink and then concluded our night at the hotel. Wow! How lucky am I? Then, on Saturday, I met a girl at my office that is a bomb-shelve. She is plain hot. 2 kids, has an 8 day old divorce to digest. So I asked her out for Saturday night. We went out dancing (people who know me know that I need much to get on a dance floor). She moves so sensually, that I was melting in front of her. It was way too much! Started kissing on the dance floor during the Meringue, it was all out of this world. We then concluded our relationship at the same hotel.
Meeting people is so easy here that a wife doesn't have much chance. Women also do not respect much the fact that a guy is married. everything is up for grab here. As a matter of fact, even women do it. If they're married, they always look for an upgrade. So, everyone is always pretty much on the market here.
So, in conclusion, unless you're looking for a whole lot of adventure while exploring true human nature, and not the rule of law, do not come here! If you're married, have kids, and love them to death (as I do), do not move here. There are just too many temptations and a normally consituted being just can't handle so many temptations.
Hey Antifreeze,
Clever story. After reading it, I think I want to live there permanently.
Can you talk a little about safety? Would appreciate your current thoughts on this subject. Are you white? or latin? What kind of neighborhood do you live in? etc.
Thanks,
Yos
antifreeze,
Thanks for the story. It made for great reading.
Starfe
First Iīd like to say hi, its been so long Antifreeze, we got to get together mate.
Your C.Dīs are safe in the hands of Robertoīs family, but they moved to an outer suburb. Iīll have a trip to Cali coming up soon.
When I read your latest message, it brought a tear to my eyeīs !!!
I believe from an inside sourse that you have a very beautifull niece !!!
I missed out with your sister inlaw didnt I !!!
Hay, when you and the family come down to Medellin, you must stay at my new Aussie Gregīs Medellin Hotel y Backpackers.
All the best to you y family.
Aussie Greg.
Aussie,
Agreed. We'll need to get together one day. I understand that you're completely in love with half-Medellin (the women half). Congratulation partner. Enjoy life, as far as I know, we have only one!!!
Freeze
What do you think of this Antifreeze,
Casa de Australiano !!!!!,
Aussie Gregīs Medellin Hotel y Backpackers doesnt translate to well.
As far as woman goes, Im interesed in two at the moment, but as you know, Colombian woman and more so Piasa woman can be difficult.
Can we trade picīs with your relation !!, regards.
Greg
[QUOTE=Antifreeze]Aussie,
Agreed. We'll need to get together one day. I understand that you're completely in love with half-Medellin (the women half). Congratulation partner. Enjoy life, as far as I know, we have only one!!!
Freeze[/QUOTE]
that all of the girls you're meeting are are trying to become your wife or put themselves in a similar position.
it strikes me as a rather vicious and empty circle with no real answers in sight.
I'm not one to give advice to people on what to do in or with their lives, especially relationships/marriages, etc but if your wife is truly serious about not only giving you the freedom to simply find some strange but also on rekindling the magic that made you guys become a couple in the first place.
Then, personally, I feel you should try to meet her half way.
Though thankfully, I don't have an esposa ... I can definitely relate to your dilemna in Cali ... and I'm sure any guy who spends a lot of time in S. America does too.
The world is definitely a different place in Colombia, Venezuela, etc.
Women that wouldn't even look at you in the "west", not only look at you, but desire you in S.America.
Especially, like you say, when you develop feelings instead of just the physical attraction.
I have a hard enough time just staying put with a girlfriend ... to get married, MAYBE a long time from now. Actually I've been married and have 2 GREAT kids from when I was too young ... the Ex is cool, friends now, and the kids too.
Bottom line is ... like a lot of my Venezuelan amigos tell me ... it's great to be enamorado (like the initial love), but to have a deep relationship ... don't know if I'm capable with so many possibilities in S.America.
Suerte Senor Freeze with tu esposa ... hijos ... y las novias (girlfriends) !!
I put dibbs in on her before she was legal in ANY country so paws off mate. Besides, she is my media naranja and I her Principe Azul, not merely some Sheila good for a root like your looking for! Plus I've paid heaps of dues being nice to the relatives to get in their good graces. Plus she is pushing 20 so likely over in the hill in the Aussie preferred age range. Fair dinkum!
Hope to see you in Cali soon. First tinny on me (but ONLY the first because you'd bloody bankrupt me if I said ALL beer on my tab). .
Freeze: I feel your pain bro. Hope to see you soon for daytimes of freedom LOL
If you need any items from here let me know BEFORE my day of departure if possible.
Anybody knows about a hotel with true broadband internet in the room?
I need fast internet in the room to work daily for about 4 hours.
I will be in Cali around 5-7 to 15-17 of March.
I'm in Lima, Peru now.
Mate,
As Freeze will tell you, Im already part of the family !!! but if you have your heart set on her then you have my blessing, support. I only ask that Im appointed as your bachalors night, wedding entertament director !!!.
maybe I can get you in so much shit that the family calls off all the proceedings and shes back on the market !!! ( you can take down the kangaroo snares and dingo traps around her house !! )
My age range 16 to 80 !!! ( 16 the legal age in Aussie and here in Colombia it is 14 !!)
No first beers on me !!!, Medellin Bob sends his regards.
Aussie Greg
I put dibbs in on her before she was legal in ANY country so paws off mate. Besides, she is my media naranja and I her Principe Azul, not merely some Sheila good for a root like your looking for! Plus I've paid heaps of dues being nice to the relatives to get in their good graces. Plus she is pushing 20 so likely over in the hill in the Aussie preferred age range. Fair dinkum!
Hope to see you in Cali soon. First tinny on me (but ONLY the first because you'd bloody bankrupt me if I said ALL beer on my tab). .
Freeze: I feel your pain bro. Hope to see you soon for daytimes of freedom LOL
If you need any items from here let me know BEFORE my day of departure if possible.[/QUOTE]
As soon as I get over my funk of being back in the real world, I'll try to put together some sort of report, but what could I say that hasn't been already discussed in detail here? Anyone wishing info on hotels or casas merely has to devote a couple of hours to scrolling back a couple of dozen pages or so. Sure, Colombia lost more soldiers (47) to the guerilla in the month I was down there, than we lost in the same time period in Iraq. And not only have new offensives been announced against the cities, but the drug lords are starting to get annoyed again at the latest wave of captures and extraditions. Not to mention the ever growing crime rate. No reason not to come on down. What I do wish to express is my gratitude for having made new friends who are legitimately good people, whom I look foward to knowing better in the coming years. Thanks to AntiFreeze, Surfer, the wild man from down under, Aussie Greg, Salsero Loco, as well as MDE Bob , Richard and Tom, for making my last trip memorable.
Saludos to the Colombiana board. I am looking for your opinions about where to go for a trip - March 12-20. I am thinking of Panama, Guatemala or Cali. I have been to Cartegena in 2001 and found the women hot but I did not find a good bar scene or the gorgeous ones from Cali. (Maybe LDV is new?) I have met women from Cali all over L.A. and they seem to be the sexiest smartest women alive and would love to go.
But... I am pretty intimidated by the possiblity of kidnapping in Cali. I am pretty savvy about crime though. Can I get away with going to Panama City to meet Colombianas? Are there other alternatives that might be good like Guate or Managua? I have been to Caracas and San Jose and did NOT like the scene in either place. Havana was great but I was there 5 times and think the Calenas are more attractive.
Thanks, Lalo
Just arrived in Cali an hour ago.
I'm staying in the Dann Cali Hotel.
Fast internet for about $10 per 24hrs. Just what I needed.
If anyone wants to hook up, let me know.
Wolfy Baby:
Welcome Back!
I'm going back to MDE next week.
I believe you have my Miami numbers and e-mail.I have your Colombian cell number but not you US number. When you get a moment check out Queens/New York/United States on the site. I put my two-cents in from decades ago.Maybe you can update me on the Jackson Heights scene. My "monika" was changed on the site. I need to get a new one.
Again,Welcome Back!
BA BOOM
2nd time to colombia had a great time.
Hot chicks everywhere! I stayed near parque Caicedo downtown.
2 caveats:
1. I speak spanish fluently
2. I have family there (guide)
Colombia is a very dangerous country-if some white dude reading this thinks he's going to go down there and score not knowing anyone and not speaking spanish, he is a fool and may likely end up in serious trouble-you are definately NOT in Kansas anymore.
On the money front-flores frescas sucks why travel down there to pay anywhere near US prices?- we went to clean well run casas that trotted out 8-10 hot girls that charged 40000 pesos ($17) for a half hour 70000 ($32) for a full hour. also got a lesbo show dildo and all and screw both chicks for 100000 ($45). These places were mid range-upscale and considered expensive by locals, flores frescas is overated and WAAAAAAY overpriced.
To weigh in on which women are better looking Medellin or Cali- Cali had many more darker women and many more black women than Med. I myself prefer lighter skin women so I would have to vote for Med(although it has been a long time since I've been there).
PM if anyone wants digits for 1 of the Casas.
Up until March 15, if you book an international flight to Colombia on Avionca, you can also request FREE OF CHARGE, 2 national flights while you are in country.
Kind of nice. Am travelling to Cali and then going to Cartagena for 3 days in the middle of my trip. Total cost from Miami is in the low $400s for all.
Also, has anyone stayed at the Aparthotel near the river Cali? What is the address and phone number and cost per night? Are the rooms nice? cable TV? Please send an email if you know of a good reasonable hotel that is girl friendly.
Envelope,
I quite agree with you as far as the dangers and the over-priced Flores Frescas are concerned, but as far as the Cali girls are concerned I quite disagree. If youre into culo-plancha chicas you should definitely go to Medellin, where the majority of girls seem to have a flat bottom.
But for well-curved jefas, ******, theres no beating Cali!
Hiya Greg:
NOW I see what you (and Jackson and gang) like about Buenoa Aires.
That place is more beautiful than any city I've seen in Europe (though I have not been to Paris) and it is SO safe. You can walk around anywhere at any hour (they only go out after 11pm or so and stay opn until 4am +). Colombia is now until 2am (used to be 1 when La Ley Zanahoria was still being enforced), but you just can't relax like you can in BA because of the omnipresent threat of crime or violence. No city in Colombia even comes close. Poblado, Medellin's toniest area, is a dangerous dump compared to Recoleta. Ditto Cartagena's Laguito and Bogota's Zona Rosa.
I was also surprised that most everybody speaks English (UNLIKE Colombia). Prices for chicas are not that much different than Colombia with CURRENT exchange rates (3 Argentine Pesos for a dollar compared to 2300 Colombian Pesos). 100 Pesos is kind of the standard rate for an hour (I never ask about the 30 minute rate because I just ain't a 30 minute kind of guy, like Antifreeze Wink wink.) BBBJ is more easily available than Colombia (it is a less conservative country), though some girls will hit you up for $10 extra for this.
By paying a bit extra, I got more than half of them to allow tonsil shots. Try THAT in Colombia! Most LOVE DATY, and the pocket rocket was a smash hit ("regalado me" was a common phrase I heard).
One thing that I do NOT really like is that more than 50% are lightskinned blondes. VERY few have the dark, exotic, skin, hair and eyes so common in Cali and Cartagena. NO mulatta's at all. There were girls from Brazil and Paraguay working, bit no Colombianas at all (they cannot get visas). Many of the girls in BA have worked in Spain and Mexico as visas are easy for Argentines.
Jackson and his partner, Captain Dave (a great guy whom I met), have Sunday pool partries at The Mansion, a mansion where they rent out rooms to WSG members with lots of chicas in attendance. I met a pair of a HOT pair of identical twins who do threesomes but, alas, they were blonde. The house guests (2) had reserved them but they returned to the mansion late. They were about to lose their girls as one yanked me in the laundry room and started the BBBJ (we were drinking wine) before the houseguests arrived. Nice freebie. But I digress.
My point was to say that NOW I see why Jackson, Saint and Dave etc live down there .
[QUOTE=lalo59]Saludos to the Colombiana board. I am looking for your opinions about where to go for a trip - March 12-20. I am thinking of Panama, Guatemala or Cali. I have been to Cartegena in 2001 and found the women hot but I did not find a good bar scene or the gorgeous ones from Cali. (Maybe LDV is new?) I have met women from Cali all over L.A. and they seem to be the sexiest smartest women alive and would love to go.
But... I am pretty intimidated by the possiblity of kidnapping in Cali. I am pretty savvy about crime though. Can I get away with going to Panama City to meet Colombianas? Are there other alternatives that might be good like Guate or Managua? I have been to Caracas and San Jose and did NOT like the scene in either place. Havana was great but I was there 5 times and think the Calenas are more attractive.
Thanks, Lalo[/QUOTE]Lalo,
I am in the same dilemma. I'll be in Ecuador in June and would like to go to either Colombia (Medellin) or Argentina. Can't seem to make up my mind. From what I read in the Panama thread, the prices there a high (like San Jose, where I visited last June) although there are plenty of Colombians in Panama. Also see the post by Surfer below comparing Colombia and Buenos Aires. Just when I think I have made a decision - someone posts something that brings me right back to square one! From reading posts on Bs As, the prices seem to be going up for the FLs in clubs, but boliches still are cheaper. Of course, I could stay in Quito for the duration because the prices there are cheap compared to either Colombia or Argentina; but the choices are limited as is quality.
Can experienced mongers give some advice please?
It may be a dump, but it is not, by any stretch of the imagination, dangerous.
Gidday Surf,
Its great you liked B.A, yes its a beautifull city but I still like Colombia and more than ever MDE, also I like the girls en COL better to even though I had a wonderfull time en B.A with some top performers.
The guys at the Mansion are my family, Cpt Dave showed me the ropes and Jacko will fill you in on all details, he knows every thing there is to know en B.A, Capt Dave to.
Just had my Casa de Australiano deal fall through, probley good in a way, I can drink some real rum now.
Will get back to you in more detail soon, got to go out with another Piasa beauty !!!!!
Regards from me en MDE BOb
Aussie Greg.
[QUOTE=Surfer]Hiya Greg:
NOW I see what you (and Jackson and gang) like about Buenoa Aires.
That place is more beautiful than any city I've seen in Europe (though I have not been to Paris) and it is SO safe. You can walk around anywhere at any hour (they only go out after 11pm or so and stay opn until 4am +). Colombia is now until 2am (used to be 1 when La Ley Zanahoria was still being enforced), but you just can't relax like you can in BA because of the omnipresent threat of crime or violence. No city in Colombia even comes close. Poblado, Medellin's toniest area, is a dangerous dump compared to Recoleta. Ditto Cartagena's Laguito and Bogota's Zona Rosa.
I was also surprised that most everybody speaks English (UNLIKE Colombia). Prices for chicas are not that much different than Colombia with CURRENT exchange rates (3 Argentine Pesos for a dollar compared to 2300 Colombian Pesos). 100 Pesos is kind of the standard rate for an hour (I never ask about the 30 minute rate because I just ain't a 30 minute kind of guy, like Antifreeze Wink wink.) BBBJ is more easily available than Colombia (it is a less conservative country), though some girls will hit you up for $10 extra for this.
By paying a bit extra, I got more than half of them to allow tonsil shots. Try THAT in Colombia! Most LOVE DATY, and the pocket rocket was a smash hit ("regalado me" was a common phrase I heard).
One thing that I do NOT really like is that more than 50% are lightskinned blondes. VERY few have the dark, exotic, skin, hair and eyes so common in Cali and Cartagena. NO mulatta's at all. There were girls from Brazil and Paraguay working, bit no Colombianas at all (they cannot get visas). Many of the girls in BA have worked in Spain and Mexico as visas are easy for Argentines.
Jackson and his partner, Captain Dave (a great guy whom I met), have Sunday pool partries at The Mansion, a mansion where they rent out rooms to WSG members with lots of chicas in attendance. I met a pair of a HOT pair of identical twins who do threesomes but, alas, they were blonde. The house guests (2) had reserved them but they returned to the mansion late. They were about to lose their girls as one yanked me in the laundry room and started the BBBJ (we were drinking wine) before the houseguests arrived. Nice freebie. But I digress.
My point was to say that NOW I see why Jackson, Saint and Dave etc live down there .[/QUOTE]
I can only wonder why the word '******' in my original post was censored to ******
El Culión
Gidday !!!
Went out last night for a meal at the Dan Calton with MDE Bob, a mother and her 3 daughters, aged 15, 17, 19 years !!!!, beat that Surf !!!!!!! you can have your twins en B.A.
(I thought the twins were of to Spain to work for Private !! )
Did we get some looks !!!! such young beauties and the Mum wasnt bad either !!
Only en Colombia Surf !!!!
Regards
Aussie Greg
QUOTE=Aussie Greg]Gidday Surf,
Its great you liked B.A, yes its a beautifull city but I still like Colombia and more than ever MDE, also I like the girls en COL better to even though I had a wonderfull time en B.A with some top performers.
The guys at the Mansion are my family, Cpt Dave showed me the ropes and Jacko will fill you in on all details, he knows every thing there is to know en B.A, Capt Dave to.
Just had my Casa de Australiano deal fall through, probley good in a way, I can drink some real rum now.
Will get back to you in more detail soon, got to go out with another Piasa beauty !!!!!
Regards from me en MDE BOb
Aussie Greg.[/QUOTE]
Hay Surf,
Has Capt Dave fished that tird out of the pool yet at the Mansion !!!!
Aussie Greg.
Never heard THAT story. If chicas are the ONLY factor, then I agree that Colombianas are tops. And I still love Colombia more than any other country (Indonesia a close second), but I am a Machiavellian enigma.
Where BA rocks best is the time NOT spent between the sheets. In fact, for guys just looking to monger I would say BA might still be better. Where Colombia is head and shoulders above the rest is for the Spanish speaker who seeks a GF (or 2). BA has WAY more options than Medellin, but finding a nonpro GF is certainly much more difficult than in Colombia.
Give my regards to Bob. Sorry that Casa Austaliano fell through. Cheers.
Surf gla you made it down to BA. It is an incredible city and really blows away anything you will find in Colombia as far as a city goes. Anytime I read on PL or some other boards where someone says that Medellin is the nicest city in SA I know right away that they dont have a clue what they are talking about. Medellin might be the nicest city in Colombia, but compared to BA its like a Detroit crack house and thats no joke.
As far as the women go, BA can be a little more difficult to find a non-pro girlfriend like you mentioned, BUT the secret is to look outside of the city. BA is a fast paced big time city, but it you get out to some of the smaller costal cities an hour or two outside of BA you will find it just as easy to land a top notch girl. They are just as nice and open as any girl you will find in Colombia and a lot more approachable then the big city girls of BA.
Several friends mentioned that outside the Big Apple nonpros are MUCH easier to crack.
I still love Colombia more than ANY country, but those who try to compare Medellin to BA have obviously NEVER been to BA. Well Aussie Greg has but he, like me, is an enigma. (: A very Randy enigma I might add; god help the Paisa if he ever discovers Vitamin V LOL!
Jackson,
Please tell me, what is wrong with the word h_o_m_b_r_e ???? Why has it been censored twice?
[blue]Hi El Culion,
Please read the Forum FAQ.
Thanks,
Jackson[/blue]
I'm returning to Cali on the 19th.
Envelope you mentioned other casa that are more resonably priced that FF. Would you, or anyone else in the know, list the ones you found with quality girls for acceptable prices.
Gracias
Whitelight,
You might give these a try:
- Chicas del Norte, Avenida 2Bis-Norte #28N57
- Casa del Marquez, Av 2a Nte #23N23
- Dinastia, Calle 48 #8A-08
or these:
- Roosevelth #37-11
- Cra 34 #8- 32
- Cra. 18 #13B-12
- Calle 13A #17- 32
- Cra 50 #10-31
Thanks El Culion for the info.
I will post a report after sampling these places. Do you have a favorite of the ones you listed, for what reasons? Do you have any photos?
Gracias!
WhiteLight,
Its difficult for me to recommend any specific place for two reasons.
Firstly, I was taken to the places by local friends and I cant remember now which was which. Moreover, I didnt always sample the merchandise present. We often just went in, had a beer and left again because there are so many casas in Cali that you always expected to find something better at the next place. There was never any pressure from the owners to go with a girl.
Secondly, the number of girls present at a particular time varies a lot. All the girls Ive been with told me they only worked part-time to make an extra buck. They claimed to be students and needed the money to pay for their studies or housewives.
For instance, I had a memorable time with a very beautiful girl who only worked in the afternoon. She was a housewife and while her husband was at work and her kid at school she secretly went to the casa for a few hours to make some money. She told me that her husband had a mistress and didnt give her enough housekeeping money because he spent his salary on partying with his girlfriend. She said that she was fed up with the life he gave her and was saving the money she earned at the club to flee to Spain where her sister lives.
Regrettably I dont have the name/address of the best club I went to. I went there by taxi because my friends had to work. The only thing I remember is that it is very near the Olympic Stadium (Estadio Olimpico), where the taxi dropped me off. I then approached a sereno (you can recognize them easily by their machete) for enquiries and he told me there were two good ones in that barrio. As it was early in the evening the number of girls at the first one was limited so he guided me to the other one which was just round the corner. The places seem to be well-known so I suggest that you inquire at the receptionist of your hotel or a taxista.
I only went to casas during the first few days of my stay. Im a near-native speaker of Spanish and when my friends and I hit the viejotecas and Juanchito in the weekend it was easy to pick up more non-pro girls than we could handle. This is the best way to find chicas in Cali if you speak Spanish.
One more thing, if you go to a casa and find a girl that is to your likening take her phone number and let her come to your hotel. This is more favourable for you and the girl. Dont overpay! The most I paid at a casa was 60,000 pesos.
Be careful. In spite of what some mongers at this site claim, Cali is NOT a safe place.
I went to a sleazy place "La Vente" on Cra. 20.
The taxi should know where it is.
Most girls are fat and ugly, but I saw about 4 nice skinny ones.
Took two tiny girls to the room for a 30 min. BBBJ.
They ended up sucking for 50 min. Paid 50k all included (girls and room).
The guy working there wanted to charge me (or the girls) another 30 min. for the room.
I said itīs not my fault that the girls didnīt stop and he didnīt knock the door hard enough. They charge the girls 14k for 30 min. in the room.
I picked up the black SW on Av. 8, one block from Av. 6.
35k for an hour. Have photoīs and video. I came in her mouth.
Finally SOMEBODY willing to tell the truth about Cali!
PS That houysewive sounds great. Those are the type of gems one can find in casas, AT TIMES, but you must look at MANY rhinestones before finding the rare gem.
35K/hour is a very good price, though the streetwalkers tend to be iffy in Cali (a few decent ones used to hang on Sexta down by the burger/fountain place but once the PN set up the roadblock in front of DFon Jaime the numbers seemed to decrease substantially). The SWs by FloresFrescas are most TVs so BEWARE.
Surprising you'd find them on Av8 which has VERY little pedestrian traffic.
Just went to Dr. Amor on Avenida 2 and Calle 23 but someone already reserved the girl I wanted. This place is open at 9 am until 9 pm. There were 19 girls working around noon, but I had my eye on Diana who was a solid 9 and I could not have her, so I drank a soda and left looking for another casa nearby. Were a couple of 8s but I was not interested in them.
So I went to another casa off Avenida 2, the address was Calle 23 AN No. 2N-95. Guy on the corner told me about it. 668-4093 is the phone. Had a nice 19 year old slim girl for 25,000 pesos for 30 minutes. BBBJ, fuck with condom, finish with BBBJ but no CIM, only on tits. I asked for the business card as I left and it had this address on it but the business name was "Distribuidora Comerical". Sounds like a front name.
Dr. Amor and the above casa charge only 25,000 pesos for half an hour with any girl. This is only $10 US. Alot cheaper than in Thailand or PHillipines. Alot cheaper than street walkers who want about 40,000 pesos.
I will post some photos when I return to the land of the Great White Whales.
New member, first post!
Currently in Cali from 6-28 Mar. I work in Colombia and get to travel throughout. I've been to most of the major cities in Colombia and although Medellin is prettier and cleaner, I enjoy the action in Cali, both pro and non-pro. I speak fluent spanish and enjoy dancing Salsa/Merengue, so picking up non-pros has been no problem at all. Unfortunately since I'm working here, the house I stay in is owned by the company and no girls allowed. On my days off I usually stay at the San Fernando Real (Calle 5 B1 No. 36-40), they give me a 20-25% discount, or I'll get a motel in the Menga area. My first night here started off with a bang. I worked an all nighter in Bogota and then flew to Cali in the morning. After sleeping for a while, I called a girl that I met on the internet and we met at Chipichape. She was a little chunkier then I liked, but had a great attitude and big natural breasts. I wasn't expecting anything on our first date, but boy was I in for a surprise. We were in the food mart area eating a "Picada", when I don't know who brought it up, but we started talking about sex and favorite positions. I told her I enjoy oral, both giving and receiving and she said that she loves giving, not receiving. She had beautiful lips and I was just staring at them, when she asked me what was I looking at. I told her that I was picturing her lips wrapped around my penis. I guess that put her over the top because I then asked her if she wanted to go to a motel and she didn't even hesitate and suggested a few near by in Menga. Well obviously she had been there before because she knew in detail most of the motels in the area. Don't remember the name of the one we went to, but it was 32K for 12hrs and it included whatever was in the fridge, which was 1 beer, 1 soda and 1 water. The room was nice with your typical sex chair (which I've never used) and jacuzzi. The bed was nice and soft, not hard like the ones in B/quilla. We wasted no time getting naked and down to business. She immediately went to work with a BBBJ and then I tried to go down on her with no luck. She wasn't kidding when she said that she doesn't like receiving, only giving. So I just laid there and watched her go to work (no condom). After about 3mins, we finally broke out the condom and she rode me for a while. After trying a few positions, I finally exploded with me on top of her. Total cost for the day, Picada = 24K, Motel = 32K, orgasm = priceless. And I think we all know there's no such thing as free pussy, we pay for it one way or another.
***End of Day 1***
Ok, I know my last post was long, I'll try to keep them shorter. Last Saturday me and two buddies hit this one Casa de Cita called "Floristeria Cristal" Calle 13 No. 72-25. Initially nothing to rave about, and the selection was ok, but attitude sure goes a long way. There were about 15-20 girls with half above 5 and the other half below 5. My buddies and I ordered a bottle of rum, good size bottle and of course over priced at 80-85K, but the 3 of us were splitting the cost and the waiter said that if we ordered the bottle, it also came with a complimentary 20min strip show from any girl we chose. After a few drinks and checking out all the girls, they parade them by your table and they all introduce themselves, we all agreed on this one girl (curvy body with big tits). The 3 of us were escorted to one of the bedrooms, which weren't that bad at all, and the girl gave us a great show. We then went back to our table, by the way, our driver was with us, so he stayed at the table. We then drank some more, mingled with several girls until each of us found the right combo of looks and attitude to satisfy our taste buds. We were having a great time dancing and drinking with the girls until one by one, we decided to satisfy the rest of our taste buds. We didn't plan it this way, but we all went at different times and it worked out just fine. We ordered a smaller second bottle and that one also came with a free 20min strip show. My friends both had girls on their laps, so I ended up choosing this skinny girl that I was talking to and we went to the room for the show. Needless to say she got me hot and horny after the show and I decided to do a 30min session with her. Rates are: 20min = 32K, 30min = 42k and 1hr = 75k. These prices include the room! Over all we had a great time there and ended up staying till 1:30am. I think we got there around 10pm. I ended up getting the number of the girl that I was with and have seen her twice since. She told me she did anal, so we settled on 100K for everything, no time limit. We tried anal, but I'm thick and after 3 attempts, we gave up. She felt bad and promised me that the next time she wouldn't charge me for anal and that she wanted to finish what she started. I wanted her to come, so I asked her what's the best way for her to come. She said me sucking her tits while she played with herself. We did that for a little while and just when she was about to come, she told me to stick it in and we both ended up coming together. When I took my dick out, I noticed blood all over the condom and she said that she always bleeds after she comes. We washed up and then I received a call from a girl I know that works at Flores Frescas. She wanted to come over, but I told her I was too tired. What amazed me was that while I was on my cell talking to one girl, the girl I was with started sucking my dick without a condom, just to tease me. I hung up and asked her to finish what she started and she said next time because I had already asked her to leave. I called her a couple of days later during the day and she came over to finish what she started. We didn't do anal, se we agreed on 75K, and that's for as long as I wanted. She would have stayed with me all day for that price, but I had other things to do, so she stayed for about 2hrs. We did it in several positions and when we did doggie style, she wanted me to pull her hair. I almost came then, but I pulled out and she game me a BJ with CIM. Overall I had a good time and well worth the $ I paid. These girls only get about 50% of what they charge at the house, so they love it when you get them out of the house.
[blue]Hi,
This is just a suggestion, so please don't take it the wrong way.
I appreciate the details in your report, but I know from experience that a lot of people find it very difficult to read a report that is written as one long block of text. It's kind of like trying to eat an entire steak in one bite.
I know how this happens: You're banging away at the keyboard, putting your thoughts into the report as fast as you can write them. However, if you could hit the return key every few sentences while you're writing, and thus break your report into smaller paragraphs, your report would be much easier to read, which would certainly be appreciated by your fellow Forum Members.
Thanks,
[i]Jackson[/i][/blue]
Ok, now I really promise this one will be short. Last Sunday I went to this place that was just full of women, easily outnumbering the men at least 3-1. This gate guard told me about it and he said you have to get there before 6pm. He wasn't kidding because we got there shortly after 6pm and it was packed. It was just a steady flow of people coming in, many times groups of 3-6 women alone. It's called Tienda Vieja and it's right behind La Casa de Cerveza at Autopista Sur Oriental con 43. This place is only open till 10pm, that's why you have to get there early, but the scenery was great with silicone all over the place. Kukaramakara is good for non-pro too, but Tienda Vieja is much better. My advice is if your going to go to Tienda Vieja, don't stay out too late Sat night. Sat night is when I hit that one Casa de Cita and got to bed around 3:30am. I was too tired at Tienda Vieja, buy my friend did pick up this nice 19yro. He's been out with her twice since.
Good luck!
Great first posts, *******. And personally I like to read long posts.
I went to this casa at Av.2 #calle 23 2N-95 this afternoon.
About 15 girls around, a couple of nice faces. But both girls I did had stretch marks on their belly.
Note to myself: donīt pick girls that cover their belly anymore. 25k for 30 min.
Lightskinned 20yo blonde Dianna with big tits had a fucked up attitude. Her cheeks hurt from sucking my dick because it was too big. Every time again she started whining about her cheeks and she wanted to stop sucking and go for fucking, I told her no, just keep sucking. When we then proceeded to the sex, off course my dick was too big again. She was begging to stop the whole time. I told her: I told you it was better to just keep on sucking.
Big assed 26yo black Angela ass was better. Gave a great CBJ, sucked my balls and liked to sit on top. She would barely go balls deep on me either and I had to force my way in. All this forcing makes me go limp, so she jerked me off and sucked my balls untill I got hard again. Pretty dedicated girl. But the stretch marks ruin it for me.
Only CBJ and no anal. Off course thatīs why itīs so cheap.
I was sitting downstairs waiting for a tiny small skinny girl that was working, but I got fed up and left. I asked the guy working there if he knew an address nearby. He told the guy who cleans the rooms to take me there. We walked about 5-6 blocks to a casa at Av.6 #24, 24N78.
The place looked nicer and the girls were defnitely hotter. Almost all of them were skinny, showed their belly or walked in bikini. I took a 18yo girl called Fernanda for 30 min., 30k. Her body was great and she had perfectly shaped tits even though they were rather small. She rode my dick like a champ, fucking balls deep all the time, all positions, great CBJ. Dedicated girl. She gave me her cell number and real name.
I went to Pereira last weekend and was totally impressed with the city. Although I didn't do any monegering there, the city provoked some pretty good impressions on me. It's cleaner than Cali, the surroundings are just marvelous with all the mountains within the city itself. It's also cheaper than Cali. I stayed at the Dann at the Simon Bolivar park downtown for 110,000 pesos a night.
We also went to clubs in el Mirador. That is an area of Pereira that overlooks the city with breath-taking views.
I am considering moving to Pereira for professional reasons. So far so good.
Freeze
[QUOTE=Master Monger]"Lost In Paradise" look back through my posts for a woman named Julie who has alot of nice apartments for around $400-$600 a month including everything!
[QUOTE=Screwed Up]Yeah, I used her service. I`m paying $600/month. I feel like I'm spending too much though. Should have been $400-$500. Well, better next time.
Anyway there is a gym, jacuzzi, sauna on the first floor.
I'm on the 13th floor and have a great view from my balcony.
It's only one block from all the disco`s at Av. 6. Maid service every 3 days.[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
Yuli Cecilia Diaz M.
310-822 5789
667 0717
Av. 6N #17-92
Edificio Plaza Versalles
I figured there was something wrong when the cleaning lady stopped coming by and nobody would answer my phone calls.
I was walking in my neighbourhood and met a guy Yuli introduced me to while we were looking at appartments. He was a neighbour. He told me she got shot dead at a restaurant a couple of blocks of where I`m staying past Saturday. She was 43 years old. I`m not sure if I understood quite well but I think an innocent girl she was with and who was looking for appartments also got shot.
I asked at the reception of my appartment if they knew anything about her because she doesn`t respond to my calls. They say no. Then I say I heard she`s dead. Reply: Oh, yes, she got an accident. I'm like, well, why didn`t you say that when I asked you in the first place? No answer.
I stopped by her office today and there was nobody there. The security guard of the building told me she's dead.
that rents apartments out by the week or monthly rates ? My arrival in Cali is May 4th tru the 23rd of May. What can I expect to pay ?. thanks Gary
I figured there was something wrong when the cleaning lady stopped coming by and nobody would answer my phone calls.
I was walking in my neighbourhood and met a guy Yuli introduced me to while we were looking at appartments. He was a neighbour. He told me she got shot dead at a restaurant a couple of blocks of where I`m staying past Saturday. She was 43 years old. I`m not sure if I understood quite well but I think an innocent girl she was with and who was looking for appartments also got shot.
I asked at the reception of my appartment if they knew anything about her because she doesn`t respond to my calls. They say no. Then I say I heard she`s dead. Reply: Oh, yes, she got an accident. I'm like, well, why didn`t you say that when I asked you in the first place? No answer.
I stopped by her office today and there was nobody there. The security guard of the building told me she's dead.[/QUOTE]
Yully (Julie) is Dead....LOL,
I know I am sick sinister bastard but she was a cocky ***** who thought she was the Queen of Cali....guess not LOL.
Anyways if you want a cool ass apartment just go to "Terrazzas De Granada" it is right across the Street from "Casa Del La Cervesas" on Ave 8 and 10.
Security will buzz you in, tell the Security guys, "Travieso" sent you in search of a short term apartment and they will hook you up for about $400-$600 a month. Try to talk to "Javier", but I think they all can help you. They also can help you find fresh meat if they think you are cool and you tip them a little.
SIDENOTE: "Tienda Vieja", the club ******* mentioned, is cool but I must stress three things to you....
1 - It is NOT the safest place, so DONT go there alone.
2 - DONT even think about going there if your Spanish isn't good!
3 - It is a SALSA/Dance club so if you can't Dance....well, good luck!
Good Luck,
I am going to Thailand soon!!!
Master Monger
35 USD per night, or 450 a month, in Cali.
Thanks Master Monger.
3 weeks in this penthouse condo, the chicas are going to love this place.
Where is it?
What does it include?
Who can we contact to rent it once your done?
Thanks,
Have Fun You all,
I just bought a 7 Megapixel Canon Digital Camera so look for some incredible shots from Thailand in a month or so!
Master Monger
Ave 11 north 7n- 201. Apartment Elaleph. If Jackson allow heres photos of place click photosyahoo.com/pheiguren.. the owner name is Pete. 3 weeks in pussy heaven soon.
Gary
I went to Santa-Marta with my Calena for a 3 day week-end. What a trip that was! I post this in the Cali section since my discovery of that Calena was more of a revelation to me then all the beaches I went to.
I am also awakening to the fact that to give one self completely to someone is way better then to get just a little bit of plenty of them. Ask Surfer, he'll second. I've invested 3 months of my exclusive time in that girl I went there with, and she's opening up now to something that is pretty exciting. Sex games are fun, she's full of personality, she now trusts me like no-one else. It's not a girl-friend experience, it's a lifetime experience. During which time, Surfer that changes girl only as much as he changes shirt has to settle for a relatively distant GFE experience. Surfer, I truly love you! I wouldn't have been able to have as much of a good time without you in Santa-Marta. Thanks buddy, you're the best. As one of many things that happened between my girl and I last weekend, was a great lap-dance. My girl is latina all right. Her blood is boiling, and she danced like she studied the art for 30 years. Surfer was a witness to that also. After which time, I just picked her up and brought her in the bed for a little more dancing that was nothing less than out of this world.
Cali is great to go to different places during weekends. I am only now waking up to weekend trips into Colombia, and it changes a whole lot on my appreciation of that situation of mine.
Take care,
Freeze
Gee Freeze,
Im reading a different side of you, your so romantic !! Lets have a bet !!!
I bet you that my bi-sexual cousins-girlfriends ( 2 !!, paisas !! the best dancers at La Isla here en MDE ) can dance better than your chicker, of course there will haft to be inderpendent judges and that leaves Surf and MDE Bob out, I guess we can find a few guys on the boards to be judges !!!
So what do you think mate, lets have a dance of and the winner can have each others girl-girls for two hours !!!!! I mean where mates arnt we !!
Lets us know mate, regards.
Aussie Greg
[QUOTE=Antifreeze]I went to Santa-Marta with my Calena for a 3 day week-end. What a trip that was! I post this in the Cali section since my discovery of that Calena was more of a revelation to me then all the beaches I went to.
I am also awakening to the fact that to give one self completely to someone is way better then to get just a little bit of plenty of them. Ask Surfer, he'll second. I've invested 3 months of my exclusive time in that girl I went there with, and she's opening up now to something that is pretty exciting. Sex games are fun, she's full of personality, she now trusts me like no-one else. It's not a girl-friend experience, it's a lifetime experience. During which time, Surfer that changes girl only as much as he changes shirt has to settle for a relatively distant GFE experience. Surfer, I truly love you! I wouldn't have been able to have as much of a good time without you in Santa-Marta. Thanks buddy, you're the best. As one of many things that happened between my girl and I last weekend, was a great lap-dance. My girl is latina all right. Her blood is boiling, and she danced like she studied the art for 30 years. Surfer was a witness to that also. After which time, I just picked her up and brought her in the bed for a little more dancing that was nothing less than out of this world.
Cali is great to go to different places during weekends. I am only now waking up to weekend trips into Colombia, and it changes a whole lot on my appreciation of that situation of mine.
Take care,
Freeze[/QUOTE]
I have returned from 10 days in Cali and it is far better in my book than CTG or anywhere in Honduras I've been. The women are more sophisticated and sexy.
I also had the pleasure of meeting some of the guys posting here and they were all fun and helpful in their own ways. Thanks to you all for the company and shared info.
I can attest to Pete's apt. in Cali. I rented there and he is fantastic guy and the place charms everyone entering. It is large, with private rooms with baths and he serves a standard US breakfast. He's tolerant of me and my buddy dragging in our ladies of the street and casas.
The Flores Frescas casa is a trip at least for the show, it's worth two trips at least just for that. The women are pretty, but expensive by local standards. I went with one for an hour and had a great experience.
A better casa for more reasonable prices in lo Maximo. at Av. 5B No. 24N-78 tele. 661-4913. Prices are 30k for 1/2 hr. 50k 1 hr. and the girls are very pretty. It is open day and night like most casas. I hesitate to post this info. because I fell for one of the chicas there, stupid me. Anyway it's great.
I met an english speaking guy MIke on the street, who hooked us up with a couple of pros that were fun and we had them several times in the 10 days. Mary and Alejandra, both great bodies, silicone and all. Mike usually sells flowers going from bar to bar, tall and thin.
I return on the 13th for another week of pussy heaven. I will attempt to meet a feel regular girls this trip as well as more of the pros in and out of the casas. They are everywhere, enjoy.
Aussie Greg,
It's funny you mention that, my girl and I were already talking about you. In our search for new destnations, Medellin popped out. Hey, I know an Australian guy that only swears by Medellin, let's go and pay him a visit. We may well do that in a couple of weeks so that you could show us what there is so special in there (other then guerillas, paras, and one of the highest crime rate for South-America).
As far as a lap dance contest goes, you're on. But I won't risk the reward being linked to my girl being touched by your dirty hands. Let's bet a big bottle of Rum instead (yes, I'm a chicken, but it's also because I don't see much reward in touching your girl either - I am sticking on mine). Bring as many girls as you want to your place, and let's have them dance. One representative from Cali will be able to beat as many representatives from Medellin, and I will then dring that bottle of Rum in a quiet environment with my girl.
Freeze
Hi Freeze,
Great to hear from you mate.
Dont start licking your lips with my bottle of Rum yet mate, !! Iīm planning on quiet a few toasts to you with my 2 bi-sexual cousins !! y MDE Bob, we will drink to you and your future ex-wifeīs health y relationship.
Dont worry about the guerillaīs, paraīs and the crime rate, Iīve got contacts !!!
Please advise as early as possable when you may travel to MDE as we are always full, even if we are full I got contacts and also the renovations to the new La Casa de Australiano will be finished, Iīll get you in somewhere mate.
Freeze, I just had Traveler stay over for one night here en MDE, he stayed with you y Surf en S.M, I took him around a bit but he was bugged from the 19 year old from S.M, the night before, we also had a bit of a stuffup with the taxi en street girls that we picked up, 2 little gems but I think they and the taxi driver got together and you know when that happens !!! anyway we told them to ---- off !!! Traveler enjoyed his stop over and wants to return to MDE soon.
Anyway mate thats all for now, let us know soon, regards.
Greg
[QUOTE=Antifreeze]Aussie Greg,
It's funny you mention that, my girl and I were already talking about you. In our search for new destnations, Medellin popped out. Hey, I know an Australian guy that only swears by Medellin, let's go and pay him a visit. We may well do that in a couple of weeks so that you could show us what there is so special in there (other then guerillas, paras, and one of the highest crime rate for South-America).
As far as a lap dance contest goes, you're on. But I won't risk the reward being linked to my girl being touched by your dirty hands. Let's bet a big bottle of Rum instead (yes, I'm a chicken, but it's also because I don't see much reward in touching your girl either - I am sticking on mine). Bring as many girls as you want to your place, and let's have them dance. One representative from Cali will be able to beat as many representatives from Medellin, and I will then dring that bottle of Rum in a quiet environment with my girl.
Freeze[/QUOTE]
Much appreciated and I owe you a jar of Veggiemite next trip to MDE (you can buy it in California). I wish he had more time to explore Medellin also but he had to get back to work. He has not yet posted about his night out in MDE though he did post upon arrival at the Penthouse. INS in MIA gave him hell but he did make it back in one piece.
On another note, if wagers are being taken on the sexiest dancer contest I am offering 2 to 1 on Freeze's girl. I am quite the connoseur of these things and her dance that night for Freeze and I was the one of the VERY best I have EVER seen.
The chica I brought is no slouch herself (has an INCREDIBLE body, as Freeze will attest) but I had to force myself to look at her occassionally (as Freeze and I sat side by side) I was mesmerized by Freezeīs chica. I also have to say she has the best personality of ANY Colombiana that I have met, and that number is rather substantial if I do say so.
Hope to see you in MDE before too long but I am in Quito explorin g Ecuador. TONS of Colombianas working here, where their families will never be the wiser, and without the danger involved in visiting Cali (MDE is perfectly safe, of course LOL!).
Cheers.
Hey Greg ... and the boys
Just back from Medellin ... staying with Bob and Greg was AWESOME of course!
I've seen the Aussie Greg's 2 chicas in action ... they would be very difficult to beat! Unbelievable!
I brought a chica back one night while they were dancing and she sat and whatched them.
I was pretty jealous.
Greg, how's the new girlfriend ... the last one I saw you with ... the university chica?
My regards to Bob ... thanks for everything ... the stay was fantastic!
I'll be back in about 2 weeks or so ... I've been talking with my new chica ... have to get back to see her soon.
Surfer, that Vegie is on mate, nothing like a bit of Vegie and toast in the mornings to fix a MDE Rum hangover.
That 2 - 1 is on to mate $100.00 bucks !!!! so that means youll haft to organise $200.00 !!
Freeze didnt want the winner to take all, reckons that he didnt want my dirty hands all over his girl !!!! I think deep down he has conceeded already !!! Ricker hand a little preview of the girls one night here in the Apt, last Saturday MDE Bod and his girl, we all went up to where the girls work and what a performance, as good as anything that I have seen in the world and Im not bullshitting, Ive been around.
Picking Freeze up from the airport this Friday nochie, all the best Surf from me and MDE Bob
Ricker
Please forgive me but that chicker from University, even though its only been a few days since you left, I carnt remember her name or her, which night ect, sorry.
Its great you are in contact with your sweetie, she really is a sweetie !!
MDE Bob said to say that he is sorry for jumping into the pool naked !!! that night.
All is going well and should sign for the Medellin Masion later this week or early next week. Was going to be quiet this week but after a few phone calls we are fulling booked again for this coming week. O.K. mate, all the best, we got your room ready anytime Ricker.
Aussie Greg[QUOTE=Ricker]Hey Greg ... and the boys
Just back from Medellin ... staying with Bob and Greg was AWESOME of course!
I've seen the Aussie Greg's 2 chicas in action ... they would be very difficult to beat! Unbelievable!
I brought a chica back one night while they were dancing and she sat and whatched them.
I was pretty jealous.
Greg, how's the new girlfriend ... the last one I saw you with ... the university chica?
My regards to Bob ... thanks for everything ... the stay was fantastic!
I'll be back in about 2 weeks or so ... I've been talking with my new chica ... have to get back to see her soon.[/QUOTE]
I refused for the winner to take it all, not by fear, but by lack of motivation. What would I do with these poor two paisas crying over their humiliating defeat after their blow? I'll be too busy enjoying my bottle of Rum and my girl at that time. I have no interest whatsoever in any other girl at this time. I seriously think that I'm falling for my girl. So I better enjoy that unusual feeling while it lasts (and may it last long).
Freeze
Gidday Mate:
Did I miss something when I was there a few weeks ago. What Two Chica's is Ricker referring to? I hope to be back down around the 27th for a week or so, hopefully I'll be able to check them out.
Regards to all,
Miami Bob
A web site would be helpful.
Thanks
Aussie Greg bailed out! My dear friend Aussie Greg found a way to get dump 2 days before the contest by both girlfriends he had (that were to contest against my girl).
So, end result, no contest. I haven't charged him for my bottle of Rum for that technical breach on his side since he was the Hell of a host to me in Medellin that I ended-up enjoying more than my previous expectations.
Thanks Aussie Greg. If anyone on this board plans to go through Medellin, I strongly advise to get in touch with him and seriously consider using his accomodations.
Freeze
Freeze.
Iīm back in the good books with my bi-sexual sweetheart, Robert and I went up to La Isla the other night with a guest and repaired a few fences !!
I wasnt going by my self because I didnt know what to expect, like having my throat cut and chucked over the edge !!!
Daniella has split up with Wendy her Lesso lover ( and mine !! ) pitty, it was great sleeping with both of them.
Anyway its on again !!!!
Will get back to you tomorrow, regards.
Aussie
[QUOTE=Antifreeze]Aussie Greg bailed out! My dear friend Aussie Greg found a way to get dump 2 days before the contest by both girlfriends he had (that were to contest against my girl).
So, end result, no contest. I haven't charged him for my bottle of Rum for that technical breach on his side since he was the Hell of a host to me in Medellin that I ended-up enjoying more than my previous expectations.
Thanks Aussie Greg. If anyone on this board plans to go through Medellin, I strongly advise to get in touch with him and seriously consider using his accomodations.
Freeze[/QUOTE]
Hey gentlemen,
Long time lurker here, with lots of mongering experience in New York and the DR, I've posted some pictures, and I plan to start making some detailed reports of my exploits soon. I have some business travelling in South America (Colombia, Ecuador, Peru, Chile) in June and thee's one thing I would like to ask you. I enjoy filming my mongering exploits very much. I own a small discreet pocket size digital camcorder. My question is would I have trouble getting the chicas to allow me to film sessions with them in the brothels?
Much thanks for your help!
Rick Rock, get in touch with 'Screwed Up'. He is also a sick puppy that loves to film his 'exploits'.
As far as I can tell, he has no problem getting the girls to act with his dick in their mouths (he showed me is video within the first 5 minute of us meeting - which was a shock to me).
Freeze
Hahahaha, Antifreeze. Are you still shocked about my videoīs? ;-)
Ok, videoīs in Peru and Colombia.
In Peru proīs would give me a huge attitude when I would even suggest filming them and most night clubs will ask you to leave your camera at the front desk after they searched you.
Non-proīs in Peru were pretty cool about it. Even if they donīt like it a little smiling and saying something like that you want to remember them on your lonely hours back home will give you the ok.
In Colombia I never discussed filming up front with proīs. I just pulled out my camera and started making pictures and videoīs. If they stop, I just say "por favor, mi amor" and smile and even suggest that I will not capture their face. I do get their faces too though. Not a problem.
I didnīt really try filming non-proīs in Colombia.
Proīs are so cute and cheap in Colombia that I stopped dating non-proīs.
Basically I donīt like the non-pro scene that much anymore because these 18-24yo chicks donīt really have anything special to say.
This is not a troll here. I.ve read it on the other sex forum. The guy posted 2 guys have been aressted going to Colombia for the sex, taking pictures of naked women. The reports states men going to COLOMBIA FOR SEX will be arrested. Any truth to this? Somthing to do w/ U.N crackdown on sex tourism. I'll leave my camara behind then. I'm leaving in 2 weeks . Help me out guys on this.
How could they possible enforce that? Especially with a digital camera with all the pictures stored on a small card that could fit into your wallet?
Travel for the purpose of having sex with someone under 18, if you are a US citizen, is illegal. Nude photos of someone under 18 cannot be brought into the US. Very graphic hard-core photos may also present a problem. Tasteful nude photos are no problem.
My question is how would they ever find a small card in your wallet? In my years of travelling to many different countries, my wallet has never, not even once been looked in.
Also, is that the exact wording of the law 'for the purpose of sex with someone under 18' - if so, what if it's not the 'purpose', but happens anyway?? You know 'I swear judge the purpose was business, the girl was a bonus!'
And, this doesn't make alot of sense to me anyway, not saying that it's not true though because many US laws make little to no sense to me.
The age of consent in different states varies greatly, many if not most are actually under 18 (16 or 17). So what about that? Is the 'federal' law 18? If so what's the precident for that?
Doesn't matter a whole lot to me though, for one I stick to 18+, and my videos are tucked away neetly in my wallet.
That is the exact wording. As you correctly point out, some States have ages under 18. The Feds cannot make it illegal to have sex with someone under 18 when State law says different. They can and do, however, make it illegal to cross State or National borders "for the purpose of." Thus if you cross from one 16 State to another 16 State for the express purpose of having sex with a 17 YO, you have violated Federal law. If you cross said State line to buy a car and happen to have sex with the 17 YO office girl, you have violated no law as long as 17 is legal in the State where the event took place.
Essentially the Feds are targeting, among others, tour operators who would organise trips to have sex with under 18's.
Things are heating up as this is first time FARC has tied to acquire and HOLD territory (hit & run is their usual MO) since Uribe's election. Most the actrivity has been either in Northeast, near Cucuta and VZ border, or in South near Cali. Antoiquia (Medellin area) has been relatively calm and Cartagena is not affected.
See article below.
Tom: Under the Supremacy clause, Federal law takes precedence over inconsistent state laws. While they have not YET mandated a federal standard of 18 as age of consent, with Dubya (and his new AG Alberto Gonzales who called the Geneva Convention's prohibition of torture of prisoners "quanit" arguing it should not apply to detainees at Guantanamo), NOTHING is safe from Federal meddling. Look at Terri Schiavo's case or medical marijuana in civilized states like California. Many lawyers knowledgable about the Constitution, another document Bush and his allies view as quaint and outdated, are STILL stunned at the ends to which the regime will go in enacting poutrageous legislation like the Patriot Act and USA Protect Act (which makes it criminal for US citizens to have sex with 17 YOs even if legal in the country where the act occurred.)
Posted on Mon, Apr. 25, 2005
Children affected by fighting in Colombia
DAN MOLINSKI
Associated Press
TORIBIO, Colombia - Thousands of children in southwest Colombia began a third week without school Monday amid the most intense fighting between government forces and leftist insurgents in years, including an attack that killed one student.
With classes suspended, hundreds of fearful civilians have sought shelter in the Cecidic school in Toribio, the main school in this part of the Andes with about 7,000 students. With dormitories for teachers and students who live far away, it serves a rugged region inhabited mostly by Indians who want no part in the conflict.
The fighting erupted on April 14 when the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia, or FARC, bombarded Toribio, 250 miles southwest of Bogota, killing Yorfan Armando Trochez, a 9-year-old at Cecidic. His classmates say school won't be the same without him.
"I'll be sad because Yorfan sat right next to me in class," said second-grader Dania Vanessa Isaza, her large, brown eyes welling with tears. "He would always lend me a pencil or give me a piece of candy."
Reinaldo Opocue, the school's headmaster, tried to reopen classes a few days later. But the clashes persisted, often encroaching on the school. Government reinforcements arrived by helicopter as an armored column unsuccessfully tried to reach the town by punching through rebel lines.
"We were unable to teach math while gunshots whizzed by," Opocue said. "And it wasn't difficult just for the students. The teachers were terrified as well."
The fighting has now spread along at least a 14-mile front, and every day, gunfire and explosions echo throughout the jungle-covered mountains. Homes, vehicles and even horses have been outfitted with white flags in hopes the warring sides will not shoot at them.
On Sunday Colombia's top military leaders toured the region and reported progress in regaining control of the area. But FARC said it was holding its ground. It is the first time in years that the FARC has fought pitched battles against government forces instead of simply carrying out hit-and-run attacks.
Instead of math, the children are learning about warfare. While 12-year-old Dina Lizet was speaking to a reporter in Toribio, a large explosion was heard.
Asked whether it was a mortar round, Dina responded matter-of-factly: "No, that was a gas cylinder bomb. A mortar round does not have as loud of a thud sound."
The fighting on the western face of the Central Cordillera of the Andes Mountains represents the rebels' boldest challenge since President Alvaro Uribe was elected three years ago on pledges he would crush the 40-year-old insurgency.
The FARC has long had a presence in the region, where Nasa Indians made up 98 percent of the population.
Markos Yule, regional education director, said FARC rebels have tried to enroll their own children in local schools, but the tribe - not wanting to associate with a warring faction - has kept them out.
The Indians used to reject schools because students were forced to speak Spanish rather than the indigenous language. Children were whipped for uttering even a word of the Nasa language.
But then a push was made to integrate the indigenous language, said Yule, wearing a traditional brown and beige vest called a kapisayo. Attendance jumped from 900 students in 1990 to 6,900 today.
Half the Indian students are now studying the native language, but it is still slowly passing out of use, Yule said. The students, who wear T-shirts, shorts and tennis shoes, say they prefer to speak Spanish and only take the language classes because their parents told them to.
The rebels said their assault on Toribio was a message to the government that they will not accept the presence of police or military forces in town centers. Two years ago, a large police bunker was built near Toribio's main square.
Colombia's army chief, Gen. Reinaldo Castellanos, who toured the zone with Ospina on Sunday, vowed to restore state authority. "We are ready ... to flush them (the FARC) out of here," he said.
Since the start of the rebel offensive, the military has reported a total of five soldiers and three police officers killed. The rebels have denied any deaths in their ranks.
The FARC, created with the aim of overthrowing the government and bringing greater justice and opportunity to the poor, has instead been widely condemned because of its involvement in the drug trade and extortion rackets, and its reliance on frequent kidnappings.
More than 3,000 people are killed each year in the conflict.
Just before we went to Medellin last week, my girl was in a bad mood. She only explained to me later exactly why.
It ended-up that her sister, which is the only family member that still lives on their land near guerilla infested Popayan's coutryside since their father and brother were executed by the guerilla, was really close to mortar rounds hitting the ground. On the spot, my girl sent her money so she can get the Hell out of there. My girl only got a smile back when she was able to talk to her sister safe in Cali. Her sister is now back on the finca, and says that everything is back to normal (I don't know if that is actually good news or bad news that everything is back to normal).
Freeze
Hate to have her living in FARC country, and doubly so near Popayan. Call me in next two days (going to Mexico on Thursday).
I am not familiar with the USA Protect Act. But I don't believe that it is possible to enforce US law extraterritorially. What is the Public Law number of the USA Patriot Act? I would like to read it.
If enacted, a Federal standard would superceed a State standard. However, there could be a constitutional challenge based on States' rights. I'm not very good at predicting the future (Hell, I have enough trouble trying to figure out where to go to dinner), but I don't think that the Feds would ever be anxious to abrogate the right of Mississippi to determine when its daughters are old enough to consent to having sex.
Hi guys,
I am now in Cali. Just a nice city with lovely girls...
But to catch some nice birds you have to be very patient because here the people is always late...
photos will come soon....
MR
[quote=tom 33]i am not familiar with the usa protect act. but i don't believe that it is possible to enforce us law extraterritorially. what is the public law number of the usa patriot act? i would like to read it.
if enacted, a federal standard would superceed a state standard. however, there could be a constitutional challenge based on states' rights. i'm not very good at predicting the future (hell, i have enough trouble trying to figure out where to go to dinner), but i don't think that the feds would ever be anxious to abrogate the right of mississippi to determine when its daughters are old enough to consent to having sex.[/quote]tom,
this law has been on the books for exactly 2 years (apr. 30, 2003) its the usa protect act (not to be confused with the usa patriot act).
if you click (or copy/paste) the link below you'll get an idea of the types of cases they are prosecuting. mostly homosexual ****s, although they did get one guy in mexico for having sex with girls 10 - 14.
as far as i know, they aren't looking at guys have sex with 17 (or 16 or 15) year-old girls, even though they could under this act, and even though those ages are within local consent statutes.
[url]http://www.usembassy.ro/wf/300/04-11-24/eur315.htm[/url]
I looked at the link. It says in part, "to arrest and prosecute travelers who intend to go to another country to engage in sexual activity with children." This makes it illegal to go to another country for ther purpose of engaging in sex with a minor. Read this carefully, the sex act itself is not illegal. As I read the release, this law DOES NOT make it illegal to have sex with a minor. Nor is it possible, to the best of my knowledge, to enforce US laws extraterritorially.
[QUOTE=Tom 33]I looked at the link. It says in part, "to arrest and prosecute travelers who intend to go to another country to engage in sexual activity with children." This makes it illegal to go to another country for ther purpose of engaging in sex with a minor. Read this carefully, the sex act itself is not illegal. As I read the release, this law DOES NOT make it illegal to have sex with a minor. Nor is it possible, to the best of my knowledge, to enforce US laws extraterritorially.[/QUOTE]
Im no expert, but to me what ity comes down to is the governments definition of what a child is. Ive seen it stated as 17 years old, but havent read about anyone arrested for that.
Heres the 13 page law:
[url]www.state.gov/documents/organization/28225.pdf[/url]
Heres a recent indictment of the first Floridian to be charged under the law
[url]http://www.usdoj.gov/usao/fls/Frank.html[/url]
And the first guy convicted under this statute had his constitution-based appeal based denied. 97 months in prison :
Michael Lewis Clark, 70 / Cambodia: On Sept. 24, 2003, a federal grand jury in Seattle charged Michael Lewis Clark with child sex tourism violations of the Protect Act. This case represents the first child sex tourism case in the nation brought under the Protect Act. Clark was arrested in Cambodia by Cambodian authorities in June 2003 for engaging in illegal sexual activity with two boys aged 10 and 13. The subsequent investigation by ICE and Cambodian authorities determined Clark may have molested as many as 50 children in Cambodia in recent years. Cambodian authorities removed Clark and had him flown to the United States. On March 19, 2004, Clark pleaded guilty to engaging in and attempting to engage in illicit sexual conduct with minors in foreign places. The U.S. District Court, Western District of Washington, denied his attorneys constitutional appeal of the child sex tourism provisions of the Protect Act. On June 25, 2004, Clark was sentenced to 97 months in jail.
The actual law itself is what I was looking for. I'm going to take some time to read it now.
I don't initially see any constitutional problems with the law. If it can be proven that someone went to another country for the purpose of sex with persons under the age of 18, that someone is fucked. And they should be.
My concern is with the guy who goes to Lower Slobbovia for a vacation and maybe a little sex with over 18 girls. If the guy fucks up and does a girl aged 17 years and 364 days, can he be prosecuted under this law? I think that the answer is no.
But just because they have not targewted the guy who screws a 17YO overaseas YET does NOT mean they cannot choose to do so. Prosecutorial discretion is VERY broad, and under the Gonzales regime (AG) who knows what is possible.
Cuba VS. Columbia?
Who has been both places?
I live in Cartagena and spent two weeks in Cuba in Jan. of 2004. Cuba really sucks.
Hey,
I am trying to find a way to contact a girl who lives in Cali. I have her street address, but no email or telephone.
Is there a way to get a message to her from me? I purchased her address from an online agency that is not based in Cali.
I was wondering if there is a company, agency, or some kind of service that would deliver an email, perhaps with photos, in Cali to her address so she can make contact with me via email.
Any help appreciated.
Thanks
Mikster
I have received things in Cartagena mailed to me from the US via regular US mail. You could also use DHL or FedEx or other similar service.
They have offices all over Colombia, and I bet they even have an outlet in Miami if you want to send hardcopy. Depending on which part of Cali, Fedex or DHL might not go there (ie aguasblancas). Send me a PM and I'll see if I can help you.
Hi,
Had good/bad luck with USPS 6 weeks ago. That is to say I mailed a package to Cali ($12 and change) but it took 6 weeks for it to arrive at the chica's house.
From what I have read elsewhere, USPS delivers to a US gateway and they contract the last leg out plus local delivery. Have read some horror stories on another site regarding using USPS though.
That being said, FedEx/UPS are unbelievably expensive $55-60 for the same package.
I tried calling the Servitrenga office in Miami but no luck.
Hope things go well for you,
Hogpenny
I have been contacted by individuals wanting to know where to go in Cali with all the usual questions a guy has before he takes a trip, especially the first time.
I recommend that one research these pages for as far back as 6 months to get a feel of what others have done and posted. Ask specific questions on this page and many will help with specifics.
For me the Cali things has been quite nice. I am mixing business, medical treatment and women in every trip.
I have met a guy to rents rooms in his nice apt. for $35/night, it's a nice place with usually nice guys renting the other rooms.
I've never stayed in a hotel in Cali so I don't have any point of reference as to hotels/cost/chica friendly or not.
The night life is very good here both for hookers and generally having a good time. It's like a party atmosphere, especially on the weekends.
Girls are everywhere.
I have done the casa thing, and even been tempted to pick up some street girls, some are hot. I did that in Cartagena but haven't in Cali, maybe I should. I also, try to meet girls on the internet before I come here and then call them and check them out. I haven't scored big with that approch as yet. Also, everyone I meet here I ask if they have friends looking for a gringo and that has yet to pan out, but I'm giving that some time, too.
There is most any kind of intertainment here, from sport bars, girl bars, dance clubs with every kind of music from salsa to trance & techno, etc. very hip and modern scene.
The north side of town is where most of the clubs are located, many on Ave. Sesta.
Anyway that is all I can manage to write at this point.
good luck to all the guys sitting in their homes in the US planning theirs trip to
Cali. My only word of advice is Do It!
W
A quick Post script.
I am in Cali now until the 22nd if anyone wants to meet for a drink and compare notes.
I was getting drunk yesterday at Chipi Chape when a chick from amigos.com called me. I boned her last week on our first date. But apart from killer natural titties she isnīt that cute so I never went out with her again.
Anyway as Iīm drunk I say ok letīs go out. So we meet up and she wants to present me to her auntie. In fact I think she wanted to go there to pick something up or drop something off.
After that we walk 3 blocks to the main road to get a taxi. When weīre waiting for the taxi two guys walk by and turn back and get really close. Everything went so quick I only remember that one sec I had my camera the next moment I didnīt.
My girl told me that they came up and took my camera (Canon Powershot SD300 $400 with memory card) out of my [b]hand[/b] and started touching my pockets. Which tells me that I was pretty pissed drunk because I remember that my camera was in my [b]pocket[/b] and all of a sudden it was gone.
Good thing is for some odd reason I told my girl to carry my cell and 300k pesos on her. And as the guys didnīt even look at her, they didnīt steal that.
Everytime I feel like getting pissed drunk it ends up being expensive.
You already know that wandering around drunk in Cali (or anywhere in Colombia really) is not really wise, but neither is walking around in residential areas you don't know well (especially carrying a camera or other valuables). Taxis are CHEAP! Have the driver WAIT outside the house. You are lucky you only lost your camera. Be careful out there.
Your punishment for such folly is that you must now post a picture of the large, REAL, hooters (while obscurring the chicas face). Houston, we have a problem: you LOST THE MEMORY CARD! So you must let Freeze take a couple new pictures of her cleavage (with you so it looks kosher then edit you out!)