2003 Moscow Reports

Thread Starter.

Will be going to Moscow in late January. I was wondering if the Rossiya and Belgrad hotels still had in-house girls that called and came up to the rooms? What are the prices like now? Are there any decent ones? Do the bars in the hotels still have working women in them?
I tried calling up a couple of the brothels, Katenka and Nightcat, but the women answering spoke russian only. Will this be hard to get in? How does a person make the call to get in?

About communicating with salons in Moscow and elsewhere in Russia: please read the earlier messages, virtually no one in those places reads English.

About racism in Moscow: please read the earlier messages, we get this thread going about every 6 months. Sometimes it deteriorates into general whining about racism in general. Unless you have specific issues or are planning to go to Moscow in the near term, this thread needs to go elsewhere.

To Anyone who can help:

Will be visiting Moscow and St. Pete in early April. Is there such a thing as a red light district in either city? If so, what are the locations?

If not, are there less expensive places than what is being discussed on this board? Somewhere in the neighborhood of $50 to $60 for a good solid hour or two.

Thanks in advance

Lurking60

street girl prices??

Street Girl Prices? I dunno, are they?

Just looking for a little info on the area. It will be my first time Russia. I Have been frequenting Amsterdam and Thailand, so I am used the prices there. But, there has to be something worth while in that price neighborhood. A little gem tucked away somewhere that everyone has been to but forgets to mention. You know the type of place. Give it up gents.

Can anybody tell what areas are close to some action? Is it concentrated or is it all spread out? Any info would be appreciated.

Also, any web sites with info on this sort of thing (in English) would be appreciated as well.

Thanks in advance.

Street Girls in Moscow??? Forget it. There are some, only available if you have a car and a place to take them.

There are so many other venues for girls that the streets just aren't really used for that purpose, only in rare cases.

lurking60:
based on my experience and reading the site here, it is getting harder and harder to find anything decent for 50 bucks. if you aren't into trying for freebies, which are possible with some effort and luck, you maybe could try the internet sites like <[url]http://love.mail.ru/category/1500.html[/url]> or the higher scale [url]www.dosug.nu[/url]
this might be the best bet for cheaper action, there you can at least get the mobile numbers of some working girls there, but will need some place to take them.

if you'd rather go to a bar to check out the selection, which is more fun for me anyway, the pick up bars in st.pete are marstalls and tribunal. in moscow there are several, check out the [url]www.exile.ru[/url] site. they have a bar and club guide with very useful info, including some price indications...reading between the lines. you might be able to get a girl for $50 in low-season in st.pete at one of the pick up bars there, in moscow it will be much tougher. seems to me that prices are about $80 and up in moscow for this kind of bar girl...quality ranging from very average to very good. really hot babes will want at least $100 and probably considerably more, especially if there are a lot of other johns mongering. but still, it is all possible on a budget with patience, luck and some bargaining skill. i usually pay from $70-100, but have paid as much as $150 in moscow. you can obviously pay a lot more too, of course. i've never paid less than $50 in either city...and didn't feel like trying either.

you should read through old posts too, most of the info is still pretty current and it'll give you a better idea of where to go. seems to me that in moscow there is no central place really, as the scene is rep001tered at various clubs, bars and discos and the increasingly popular sauna clubs and the like...besides the above-mentioned outcall services.

in st.pete i'd just try marstalls or tribunal for starters. it is really easy access and unintimidating for the first time russia visitor with little or no russian language skills. in moscow doug and marty's boar house serves the same purpose. maybe won't be as cheap as other options, but shouldn't cost more than $100 either. some girls to look at, some like minded expats will be there too. after an initial round of fun here, you could try something more adventurous like outcall or a sauna/massage place which could be cheaper too.

First... for those of you looking for SW action Moscow has been down to 22 below zero and even if you can find one it is almost 100% sure she will not speak any language besides russian.

Second... In the Rossiya hotel there are actually 4 separate hotels in the same building. At 10pm I asked in the billiard room about a "massage" in the hotel health club and had a girl come and knock on my hotel room door, 20 minutes later. For $100 for 2 hours with a (7 out of 10) 35y/o Ukranian woman gave me a good massage and FS. She was really surprised when I wanted to DATY and came woman juice all over my face like a waterfall.
The best place to find one of the Rossiya hotel girls is to go to the hooker bar on the second floor of the side of the hotel closest to the Kremlin (by the giant video camera). You can drink with and talk to the girls and most spoke some english. Just don't let them go crazy with their drinks ( one girl ordered $30 worth of Bailey's!)
For those of you into a show and a taste before you buy the act I HIGHLY recommend going to Safari bar/ strip club where you can get a full song lap dance for 100rb ($3!). I almost got a private 1 hour lesbian show with me VERY close to the action for $100.

Thirdly... I am a 32 y/o 250lb 5'10" hispanic guy and was picked up 3 times by women in two weeks. It seems Russian women are interested in foreign men. The only problem I had was when 2 policemen searched my pockets and stole $300 from me. (Be careful in SPG with the bridges trapping you from 1-6 am!)

Finally... If you pick up a non hotel based pro and had a good time with her you can usually get her for the whole night on another occasion for a lot less. (For example, $100 for the whole night on Monday and $50 for a the whole night on wednesday)

Does anybody know any of any brothels, girls with apartments, or action etc... near the Kazanasky railway station. Will have a few hours to kill after I get my ticket and was wanting to pass it away with a smile on my face rather than a frown!

Across69 - Doc_Skank

Thanks for the info gentleman. I appreciate it and will make good use of it. If I discover a new "angle" (so to speak) on the current Moscow and St. Pete situation I will certainly share.

I did have another question. I read somewhere that the cities in the Golden Ring are great places to get very inexpensive quality woman. Does anyone have any info on that aspect? Where to go (in detail), how to handle the situation? Any english involved? etc. etc.

Thanks in advance fellas................

lurking60:

Just another note, as also related by across69, the police (militia) in Moscow and St.Pete have increasingly been stopping tourists and businessmen and asking to see their passport and registration. This is especially common on Nevsky Prospekt in St.Pete, the main thoroughfare, and around the Kremlin and Red Square in Moscow. So wherever you are staying, make sure they register your visa. They usually do this automatically when you arrive, but make sure they do it. And carry it with your passport.

If you don't and get stopped, the police will give you a hassle about the registration in an effort to receive a bribe from you. I once got stopped at 3 am on a street by a cop and had to give him 300 rubles (I didn't give him my wallet) to have him let me go. The "real" fine is supposedly only 50 rubles, but I paid 300 just to avoid trouble at the station. I was wasted and had to get some sleep since I had to work the next day, so his threat of "taking me to the station and waiting until morning to call the embassy", whether real or not, was not worth my trouble and I gave him the $10. Others have had it worse...knew one guy who forked over $100 and have heard of several cases where the cops "inspected" the wallet and lightened it up a bit, as in across69's case. In a famous case, 3 Swedish diplomats in St.Pete got outright robbed by 3 cops and lost $6000.

Also not a good idea to walk long distances at 3am half-drunk, as I learned. :) Take a taxi, they don't cost much.

Shouldn't make you paranoid, as nothing really bad ever happened to me (knock on wood), but keep it in mind. The cops aren't always there to "protect and serve".

I have acouple of question for the mongers here.

1) I was in Russia about 8 months ago and the girl that came from the agency was a real sweet heart but all night she asked about going to america. Was she for real or was it a joke?

2)How difficult is it for a american to open a bussiness in Russia?

Swissman,

Actually, these topics are all covered here already, but I don't mind writing them again.

1) Stayed at Marriott Tverskaya and took a girl back no problem about 3 years ago. She had to register at the desk. Didn't have to bribe anyone. Didn't cost extra. Don't know current policy, but it seems to me reading through the posts that this is OK, especially if she looks presentable, which a Night Flight girl will. That was my experience anyway.

2) Night Flight isn't suit and tie really... although there are a lot of people dressed in "full battle gear" there. I've worn cordouroy jeans and a loose shirt there and didn't have a problem. Really don't know on the jeans aspect...but can't really imagine them turning down a paying customer...but do go somewhat nicely dressed at least... this is true for everywhere in Moscow. They are really fashion/status conscious, especially in clubs and restaurants.

3)...and in Night Flight you will pay. Entrance expensive ( like $20), drinks expensive (like $5 for beer) and girls expensive (supposed absolute minimum of $200 but realistic $250-300) I was in there only once just to see what everbody was talking about...was interesting. Lots of babes, but somewhat crowded. Asking price was $300... way more than I'll ever pay... and as soon as the girls figured this out they dropped me like a hot potato. The girls are on a mission! Seems to me there are a lot better deals to be had, but if money is no problem, then you will get quality, at least superficially, there.

In any case, I suggest reading through the last few weeks of posts, lots of good info on other options. Definitely hit a strip club too... the sheer quality of women will blow your mind.

Hi all, it's me again,

I forgat to aks sometings...

How i can pay in the Night Flight (Entrance, drinks) they accept $ or only Rubbles? How about the Girls, i guess they want only $.

And generally in Moscow so in the Restaurants, clubs and so $ or Rubbles?

Thanks
Swissman

Hi Swissman,

Girls will take dollars (and/or usually rubles as well...they usually don't care) and everywhere else pretty much only takes rubles...its actually a law intended to stabilize the currency. Its no problem to exchange your money (or Euro for that matter) anywhere on the main streets, especially Tverskaya, where there are exchange offices.

Have fun!

P.S. When I was last in Moscow over New Year, the Euro was actually worth more than the dollar, reflecting the international exchange rates. So if you have Euros, it will not make sense to change them to dollars and then into rubles.

I will be in Moscow in February, staying in the Hotel Ukrania. Does anybody know of any action nearby the hotel, or has anybody sampled any working girls in the hotel (I assume that there are some in the hotel).

Thanks,

Riggo

hey Doc - you forget that it isn't really necessary to change money if you have an ATM card since the machines dispense Rub's. I've found that it's easier to do day-to-day in Rub's and leave the "excess transactions" to $$$ (32 more or less:1 makes for a pretty good sized pile, usually even when dealing in 1000's) My ATM will let me get some 15000 or so per day.

Dinghy,

You're right...and ATMs give a good rate as well. But they aren't always conveniently located, so I do like to have some cash with me... ruble cash. So I usually exchange some money right after arrival.

Kalifornia,

I have a few questions for you. I hope you can enlighten me on this.

Did you book a double room a single room at Hansa?

You recommended Iceberg as a nightclub option in Samara. Do you think a relatively goodlooking and young guy with beginner's level Russian can manage to pick-up a regular girl without running into trouble? Is this a classy place? Is it close to Hansa?

Recommendation/ opinions on the nightclub etiquette in provincial Russia is very much appreciated. Thanks!

Riggo
I was at the Hotel Ukraine in October. There are a few working girls downstairs in the main lobby around 8 pm. 1 or 2 of them were attractive. They are short time and ask about $100US.

I recommend you go to Doug's Boar House and take your pick of about 30 good looking girls for about $50-100. They are mostly young college age girls. You can take them into the hotel Ukraine without problems if you hold their arm and walk past security. If they stop you you can register the girl at the front desk. You can take the metro for next to nothing, or a taxi if it is cold and the Boar's House is about 30 minutes. I think it was called Chesterfields at one time.

Hey Friends,

I am in Moscow for a week in FEB and staying at Mezhdunarodyana Hotel . any one knows about some intresting stuff there ? or near by area ? Thanks in advance for your help.
bodyrockerforu@indiatimes.com

well, doc, next time you fly in to SVO, go down to the first level and pretty much right outside the money exchange you will find an ATM (box type - but spits out Rub's just fine). makes a good starting point (and since I'm so cheap, I go for the microbus to Rechnoy Voksal and the Metro from there. I sort of remember it dispensing 100 and 500 bills.

Need to work on my Russki yazik before my next trip in April

gavaritye pa Anglieski? <nyet> ah hell, pointy-talky works pretty well...

Hi Dinghy,

Thanks for the tip on the ATM.

When I am on a budget I take the microbus to the nearest metro station on the green line as well...think the bus only costs about 15 rubles or so... so little that I forgot the price. It is also kind of an interesting trip...getting up close and personal with "the people". If I've got lots of luggage on business I'll order a hotel car or one from the apartment agency if I'm staying with them. Usually about $30, but still much cheaper than the taxi mafia prices.

***Hotel Info*****

Hey guys, wondering if anyone has any info on any of the following Hotels:

1) Cosmos
2) Rossia
3) Izmailomo
4) Ukrania

Any info would be helpful - how close they are to the action - rates vs. quality, policy (if any) on bringing woman back to the room, etc. Prefer first hand knowledge if possible, otherwise word of mouth would be fine. I am booked for April 2 through the 11th and still need to book a place to stay.

Lurking 60
See my post from 1/9... Also, probably all major hotels in Moscow have working girls. If you are unsure just go the the hotel bar and look around for women just hanging around
Got a cute Ukranian girl for $100 for 1 1/2 hours at the Rossiya Hotel. If you want to bring a girl back to your room from outside just let her do all the talking to security and be ready to pay from $5-$20 to get her in

Guys,

Can you recommend any agencies for short term apartmental rental in Moscow.

Thanks!

Hedonist... here's a post I made on another site just for you...

I discovered a man and wife, Kirill and Natasha, in Moscow that have 15 apartments that they rent out. They've been in business 8 or 9 years. I've used them on three occasions in two different apartments. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND them.

Log on to http://www.kirnat.ru or http://www.apts-kirnat.ru

You'll find a list of their apartments with prices, pictures and map of location of each.

They speak English and have never let me down.

I am getting nothing for this recomendation, but I posting this because they are so good and reasonably priced.

If you want to tell them that you were referred by california traveler or Jackson, you can... or not... it doesn't matter to me. HOWEVER, PLEASE DO NOT REFER TO OUR HOBBY because they do not know anything about the activities with the local talent.

CA Traveler, thanks a lot!

Another source for apartments in Moscow is:

http://www.waytorussia.net/Travel/Apartments.html

They have a number of apartments in all price ranges and are constantly adding more. You get discounts for longer term rentals and in the winter prices will often be discounted from those listed on the website.

They can also help with visa support, airport transfers, tickets, etc...... and their website lists lots of useful information (non-hobby related) for those traveling to Russia.

I'm a frequent traveler to Russia and have used their services many times without any problems.

cfrmn:

I am aware of them and bu I am not sure if they are dependable, because another guy told me he had a bad experience with them. First he had to stay in a different apartment than what he has booked. Second on his last day the driver who is supposed to take him to Sheremet'evo never showed up. That sucks!

Can you write a few lines about how your experience was?
Thanks!

"Introductions" in Moscow Times?

I just came back from Moscow. I travel with coworkers, so I can't visit one of the night spots for ladies because we all stay in the same hotel. I used to visit the incall at the Orlyonok (sp) hotel/casino -- same place as the 911 club. Apparently, it is closed, because I went there and they weren't on the 18th floor as they used to be.

In the Moscow Times, I saw all sorts of ads for "introductions." I assume that these are the arparment operations. Has anyone had experience with the "introductions" services? I'd be interested in rates, quality, safety, etc, and the protocol for visiting these establishments.

Thanks! Max

Hedonist,
I booked a single at Hansa ... in fact, it was the last and only room they had that night. There were zero problems (in part, thanks to my Russian escort) with bringing the girls to my room. I have no idea if they are normally so acomodating or if the ID of my escort made them so. I really do not expect you to run into too much trouble with this anyways. Worse case -- slip a $20 to the doorman and you will be fine.
Iceberg is not too far, but I really encourage you to rent a car for ALL of your late night outings. A lonely foreigner in the middle of Samara at night is a bit too tempting. In fact, if you are going to Samara alone and you have no friends there and you don't speak Russian vry well, I would discourage you from going there. There are a million other places that have what Samara has, maybe on a smaller scale, but still pretty safe. If you are going there with a Russian-speakign friend or even with somebody else, you will be ok, but going there alone may be a bit too risky.
If you are alone out there in Iceberg, trying to pick up a girl, you may get into some trouble. Russians respect force, so here is the etiquette: bring a friend or five; approach ONLY girls who are alone; politely ask them if they would join you at your table; buy them a drink (they are ludicrously cheap in Samara); ask them if they would be so kind as to show you around the city; ask them out for lunch tomorrow; ask them to go up to your room TONIGHT. This is exactly what I did and it worked like a charm. But there is a caveat in my case -- I am 6'1", 220 and I have a "don't fu*k with me" sticker on my forehead; I was with 3 large Russian guys, one of whom is a known police official; we were very well-behaved. Oh, and we speak fluent Russian of course, so we were able to resolve a couple of potential problems by just talking (e.g. when we were leaving with some girls, a group of drunk guys who were loitering outside the club approached us and asked us where were we taking the girls. We said that we running them home and offered to give the guys a ride as well, knowing full well that they would never go with us ... they laughed and left us alone). The best combination in Russia -- speak softly, but carry a huge-@ss stick in plain sight. Be polite, but let them know that you and your friends can and will unleash hell on them if they cross a certain line, which you should clearly draw in the sand. But do NOT challenge them by your words and/or demeanor -- there is nothing braver a drunken Russian guy. Sorry for spending so much time on extraneous issues, but your safety is the only concern I have -- getting laid in Samara and/or just haing a good time is as natural as breathing. Please do NOT take any unnessesary chances.
Have a good one, brother.

Kalifornia!

Thanks a lot for your last message, I really appreciate it. I think I should reconsider my plans...

You said there are many places in Russia which would offer what Samara has with less risk. To me Samara seemed alright as it is a relatively large city, but apparently it is not. Can you recommend some safer but provincial cities in Russia apppropriate for our hobby?

Hiring a driver is a good idea. The question is how am I gonna find a dependable driver? A driver might get tempted to take advantage of a lonely foreigner...

Any comments?

Concerning Samara, I walked around in the dark by myself, speak only poor Russian, and ended up being escorted back to my hotel room by a 20 yr old blonde Russian girl, who only wanted 200 rubles for taxi fare in the AM.

Comments and questions should not be posted here in the Moscow section.

Hi all,

I have short question. It looks so that i don't stay in the Marriott Traverskaja. The Secretray had book the Sheraton Hotel also on the Traverskaja. Are there the same rools for taking girls to the Room as in the Marriott?

Thanks Swissman

Sheraton has local girls and security. I was there last summer. They charge girls to hang out in bar so they block other girls from coming in.

chicagoboy23,

What this mean the block ohter girls to come in? Is it not possible to come in whit a girl where i pickt up on the Night Flight?

Thanx
Swissman

It means security will hassle you if you don't choose girls in hotel bar who have already paid to be there.

Friends , Does anyone has idea if Hotel Rossia allows outside gals in the rooms . I will have some friends (not Pros) visiting me in evening After 7 Pm , will the security create hassles ? An update will help me for sure. Also comments on quality of Hotel Rossia are welcomed .Thanks a lot in advance .

BodyRocker,

Security WILL give you hassles.

As far as the rest, Rossia is very average in just about everything. Location is OK, the rooms in the renovated portion are basic but clean.

Main problem with Rossia is really the security. The girls, if allowed up at all, will have to register. Besides that, the front registration desk is always crowded and really a free for all...you have to be resilient and even somewhat brash to get ahead there...typical Russia in that way.

Swissmann,

The Sheraton lobby girls have the market on in-house prostitution, but you can still bring other girls in. You may have to pay a bribe. It will depend on a few factors, like time of day, who is working security, their mood, your appearance and attitude, her appearance.... in any case, the NF girl will know how to get into your hotel... and know about what has to be paid etc. After all, most NF customers are western businessmen taking girls back to upscale hotels.

Generally speaking, lobby girls aren't recommended, based on attitude and price, but I have no personal experience in this regard. Check other posts. There is a good recent post about this in the St.Petersburg section, which also holds true for Moscow. If you are looking at Night Flight though, then price isn't an issue. The lobby girls will probably also be in the $300 range, may offer less time and/or service than the NF girls.

Doc Skank,
Thanks a lot buddy for the info.So is there anyway we can get rid of security at Rossia ?.. bribe ? What about day time ? do they allow in the day or its same like evening ? damm this stinks :(

Thanks again.

BodyRocker,

Bringing people to your room at Rossia, especially a guy bringing a girl, is a problem any time of the day. But she can be registered as a guest and come up during the day or early evening. I don't think this costs anything, it is just a hassle and "normal" girls generally hate it, since it makes them feel like prostitutes. I tried to smuggle my real girlfriend by once, no chance. And that was at like 3 in the afternoon. Nobody in Marriott or Sheraton would have looked twice. But Rossia is really strict on this.

Late at night you'll either have to pay for double occupancy (she'll have to register at the desk) or have to bribe somebody. Smuggling someone in is impossible, as all elevators are in one spot, right next to the front desk and there are at least two security guys standing there checking people. I've never bribed anybody at Rossia. So I don't know if this is common there or what it costs. Sorry! Chances are your "date", if she is a working girl, will know the procedure and what to do/whom to pay.

It does suck, you are right!

To avoid these very complications and hassles I've started staying in private apartments. They are just as cheap as the Russian hotels, better equipped, the agency can handle the visa invites and so on if you need that, they'll pick you up at the airport for $30 and you have complete freedom to bring girls back to your room. The agencies know that people do this, they just don't want to confronted with it.

If you prefer a cheap hotel like Rossia, there are also the working girls who hang out in the bars within the hotel. They run about $100 and are average in quality. They didn't look like much to me. I generally don't pay for girls I wouldn't even pick up drunk in a bar in "real" life... so I wasn't too smitten with the selection at Rossia. But occasionally I'll come across a good review in this forum.

doctor_skank,

Your post to BodyRocker is really intersting! You don't pay for girls, sound's good :-) You pick them up in Bars, drunk girls. May be you can recoment some good Bars where is "easy" to pick up a Girl whit out to spend many on her. How are the rouls for that? I guess is dipense on you look and on you age too. And what kind of girls?

Thanx Swissman

**Question to all you Moscow Veterans***


I was wondering if there is an area in Moscow that would be best on all fronts for the first timer? I would like to be close to the sites and the woman, without hassel or spending a huge sum of money or time getting from one place to another. Maybe something like the Moscow version of a Bangkok Soi Cowboy? Or a Amsterdam Red Light Area? Will be in Moscow April 2 through April 11 with a stop in St. Pete for a couple of days in that time. Also, anyone know of any good tattoo places in the area also.

Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Hey Doc,

Thanks a lot for the detailed note on Rossia. Indeed it was very informative. I originaly was staying at Mezhdonarodyana but I have some other people from work who we cannt afford to put there as its 220Us$ / Night and we all have to stay in the same hotel due to meetings , thus I have to make the sacrifice and stay in budget hotel with them . Its surely disappointing about the security problems at Rossia , however I have an idea that In case of a problem I will book a room for my female friends there and they can check in like a guest , its not expensive because I can get them a room in old wing for less then 60 $ and they can then come to my room in the New Wing.I don't mind spending few bucks extra but don't want hassles for the gals or myself. because as I said they are not pros but friends with whom I do share intimate relationship :D

OTTOGRAHAM , I am there in Moscow too during the same period 16th -22nd Feb, but I am not a Local .I don't mind buying a drink to you and other friends from this forum if you are there as well during that period.It will be good to meet friends from WSG.

Glad to see everybody is going to Moscow, you'll have a good time.

Body Rocker: If you're resilient, you'll be able to get your friend to your room. Worst case would be getting a room. Try just normal registration at the desk though. Especially if she is going to be coming to your room on more than one occasion. After you come back, I'd be interested to read your findings. I'm sure it would be interesting for others as well, since this situation comes up a lot. In any case, good luck! Sounds like you've got yourself set up pretty well with your "friends!"

Swissmann: Actually I meant something else in my post. I meant that I wasn't interested in the Rossia bar girls since they were less attractive than girls I WOULD NOT take in real life, even if I was drunk. But to your point, I actually do usually prefer to try to pick up girls in bars, clubs or otherwise. This is more fun for me... if I can't find something there is still the option of a pro/semi-pro girl. I like picking up normal girls since the sex is "real" and actually the real girls I've had were usually better looking than most of the pros I've had. For first time travellers to Moscow, I think it would be best to have a prostitute on the first night and then try to pick up something on your own on the second night, if you are interested in that.

IMHO the strategies are basically the same as anywhere else, only you will be hampered by the language but will have the advantage of being a foreigner. Picking up girls, drunk or otherwise, in Russia isn't "automatic", but many find it easier than in other places. The most important thing is to get initial contact and get into a conversation...even if just very basic. Once you have her hooked, just reel her in. Your success will of course depend on a lot of things, but I do suggest the following:

a) don't be shy. Waiting around to be "discovered" won't work. You'll have to approach them. Make sure that you don't approach somebody's girlfriend. But this is the same everywhere around the world.
b) always say that you come to Moscow quite often...she'll be more interested in someone she thinks she'll see more than once. She is of course thinking of what advantages a Western boyfriend would have for her. You just want a piece of ass, so tell her whatever she wants to hear.
c) try to go "hunting" with a friend. Being alone surrounded by groups of Russians speaking Russian can be depressing and contact difficult. And you'll look too predatory/desperate for some girls, reducing your chances. If you have someone else to talk to, it will make you feel more comfortable and the hunting will be more fun. Sounds strange, but sometimes I've gotten into conversations with normal Russian men and this made it much easier to pick up girls in the same bar. Russian guys are fun to be with and are proud of the beauty of their women. In my experience Russian guys are not at all angry if you are interested in their women...just as long as it isn't their girlfriend you are after.
d) try to speak at least some Russian...after she hears you making mistakes she'll be more likely to try out her English.
e) don't get too drunk. A drink or two will make it easier for you to seek contact, but being really drunk will ruin your chances entirely.
f) if you meet a girl and hit it off and she doesn't want to spend the night on the first night, make a date for the second night. If she agrees, and she almost always will, you'll be able to screw her the second night...100%.
g) if you don't have success on a particular night, don't feel bad. Go pick up a pro or try again on the next night.
h) one of the easiest contacts is through work. I've met a lot of girls through work contacts and although I've made a point to be very careful not to mess up my business, I've slept with several girls this way...from common secretaries and translators to managers. Some people make it a rule NOT to mix business with pleasure, but I like playing with fire...

One note, the normal girls I've met, for the most part, were far from normal... they are the best girls (and women) I've ever met. They really exceeded my expectations. They are sexually adventurous and passionate, intelligent and sensual. And they love sex. I have had more fun with normal girls than with pros. But there is a good reason to choose pros... as they say "you are not paying them for the sex, you are paying them to go away afterwards"...in other words, no hassle, no broken hearts and no worries.

Hi all,

I'm are in Moscow from 25-28 April. If anyone from the Forum there this time it would be cool to meet for a beer.

doctor_skank,
Thanx a lot for the Infos. It's good for us that you take the time to write your experience, thanks Man!

If any of you come someday to Switzerland i will be happy to help. I had also post some Info about Zürich in the Switerland Section of this Forum.

Ma by is not on the right place here...but i have to say it. I'm are from time to time in the USA and I like the Gils there. I never see so many Girls whit huge Silicontitts :-) And the Stripclubs in the Staats are the best all over the World.

Take care
Swissman

Because of the incompetence of my visa service agency, I did not receive my Russian visa in time for my planned visit. Therefore I will have to visit Russia another time.

Sorry to you fellows who were planning on meeting up with me, we'll try it again later.

-Uncle Otto

Experience with russian language course at "Lomonossow University"?

Hallo,
has anyone experience with a russian language course at the Lomonossow University in Moscow? They offer cheap language courses with university teachers and accomodation in the sturdent´s residences.

Maybe this is a good opportunity to learn the language and meet nice (female) students for a good time.... what do you think?

Does anybody know anything about the lineup situation Moscow?

Is it safe just to take cab outside one of the clubs and tell the driver that you want a girl? In Russian, this sounds a little rude: "Ya hochu devushki!". Its literal tranlation would be:"I want a young woman!".

So, what is the key sentence to let the taxi driver understand that you want to check out the lineups?

If an experienced WSG'er could shed some light on this, I'd appreciate it.

For those who would like to check out a *****house in Moscow, I'd recommend salon Wellcum. I have been there three times, and each time they had absolutely wonderful girls.

Check out the link if interested:
http://www.dosug.org/dosug/04301219/index.htm

When you go there during the day, most girls they advertise on that website won't be there, but they will still have a decent selection.

Once inside, you'll be asked if you want tea or coffee, and the girls available will line up in front of you. Have some small talk with them, ask if anybody speaks English etc. After you choose the girl(s) the girl will take you to the bathroom for a shower and she'll take a shower after you are done.

I felt completely safe and had no problems whatsoever. First and third times I had an incredibly sexy Ukranian girl called Margarita. Incredibly beautiful body. The second time I chose a Russian beauty called Liza.

I think this is a good alternative to taking girls to your hotel. If you are young and can go two or three times in an hour, it turns out to be also a good value.

I've noticed everyone here appear to avoid the "street" girls in Moscow. I think you are making a mistake, given a few simple rules to help you find the best selection.

First, the further out you go the newer or fresher girls you will find. Himkee is now the largest and probably best selection (on Leningradsky shosse heading to the airport Sheremetyevo). Girls who come to Moscow are started out there -- as it is just beyond the city limits they can work without a moscow registration, and it takes a week or two for them to get those papers that will allow them to move around the city a little more safely.

If you are willing to take your time and look you can find girls who have just started working without any problem. First, simply ask the "mamachka" for a girl who has not worked long (ne davno rabotat) and she will often point out the new ones. Also, as the girls line up in your headlights (often 10-30 at a time) look carefully and you can pick out the ones that just don't belong or fit in. Often, they are a little more nervous than the others - and who wouldn't be!

You might say, but they can lie to you about it.. but once you have a fresh girl in your room it is easy to tell them apart, and when you do find a new girl she is more likely to spend the week with you if you ask. Also, girls are the best source of information on anything else you are looking for, and will often call up their "girlfriends" to help you out.

So don't miss out on an amazing opportunity. These girls are fresh from Moldova, Ukraine, Belarus, Uzbek and Kazak, plus other provinces of Russia, and are worth the $70 or $150 you will pay. There are always a few 8's and 9's if you are willing to drive around for an hour or so.

And remember, to fully enjoy you have to go with the culture. They expect a firm man, domineering. I have found that by just putting her forearm behind her back and feeling her up against the wall will generally set the stage for a wonderful night of service and obedience. If you are into anal, the girls on the street are the place to go as well as every other variety you might imagine.

email me for more info if you want.

Michael

Hedonist, I've never taken a cab to a line-up... usually just walked in from a club and tell the main mama how much you want to spend. She'll holler out for the girls to line-up. There are usually two or three levels, most recently... $70, $100 and, maybe, $150.

After picking a girl, you can cruise out and get a car to your apt/hotel.

When I was last in Moscow, in Jan/early Feb. the line-ups were only running on Fri and Sat. However, I understand that they are back running 6/7 nights.

However, they are getting some pressure from the local militia because of the uncoming Duma election AND a law that is pending in the Duma to outlaw prostitution inside Moscow(and maybe Russia). Good luck!

There is one line-up at the Lubyanskaya Pl. just down from Red Sq. and there are many on the way to and from SVO. If you want to email me at californiatraveler@hotmail.com, I'll share a couple more spots close to Chesterfields.

I've never felt threatened by walking up to a line-up. In fact, you're probably safer there than walk on the street because they don't want anything to happen to their customers.

CA Traveler and Michael:

Thanks a lot for great posts. I really want to give lineups a try in my next trip. I have a logistical question.

People like me who visit Moscow for limited time of course don't have a car there. Probably renting a car is also a hassle. How do you go those lineups? I don't know, maybe Michael you live in Moscow... CA Traveler mentioned a few spots within Moscow that you can walk to. As for the others, should I forget about them, or try taking a cab outside a club as recommended. What's your advice guys? How do you play this game?

MichaelGage, I want to email you for further info, but you didn't write your email address.

MG, I don't know how I missed your post earlier, but you give excellent advice about the lineup girls. My experience is exactly the same as yours and I have definitely experienced some of my best sex ever from the "fresh" lineup girls. I also find that a substantial number of the girls only work a few nights a month to supplement their income. Plus, as you say, any of the girls that you click with will be anxious to stay for as many nights as you want them, simply because they never know who's going to take them home and beat the crap out of them just to show who's "boss".

According to some of the girls, they typically only only get 40-50% of the total charge. So a $70 girl may only get $35 tops! In fact, I've found that some of the newer girls tend to start at the lower price category for some reason. I stayed with an 18 y.o. for about a week in November... she was a real beauty, but I couldn't figure out why she'd choose the lineup instead of NF or CF where she could keep the whole fee? I think the real reason is that they don't feel comfortable with their English or _______ to focus on foreigners! In fact, combined with their level of comfort as you mentioned, many of the newer girls even at CF or NF can be identified because they don't have the English phrases down pat and are embarassed at their level of English!

MichaelGage

I am in Moscow next week. I had wanted to email you for further info, but don't know your email either

Thanks

ariesman2003@hotmail.com.

Hello Friends,

Ok I am back from Moscow and here is the update.
Hotel Rossiya : Doctor Skank , you were right its impossible to get pass the security and take the girls up to your room. The security is everywhere and even the hotel guest have to show them the registration card to get up to the elevator. I had some problems with my payment as we somehow landed up paying much extra at Rossiya hotel so two ladies from my travel agent in Moscow came up to hotel Russiya with me sort it out and we wanted to visit the In Tourist office on the first floor , but the security at the elevator stopped and even when the ladies offered to keep their passport with them till they came back , they were not allowed . regarding registration at the desk , as rightly pointed out earlier in the forum the hotel reception desk is always full with people and thus I couldn't try to check with them.

Hotel Russiya has its own girls and one can call up the Guest Relation desk and ask for the Massage in the room. Don't try the Sauna at the hotel as there you will only get the Veg massage. The lady at the guest relation took my room number and later I got a call from another girl to negotiate the rates . she asked for 100 $ for an hour . I insisted for 2 hours and she finaly agreed. 10 Mints later 2 girls came to my room. One from Bellarus (7) and one from Moscow (6) I picked one but they offered for both and asked for 200 $ , finaly we agreed for 150 $ for both for Hour and half. When in bed they first licked me all over and then played withmy dick and then BJ (covered) Did the first one Doggy and after few minutes they pulled me out .. changed the rubber and the second one took the position. Anyway sex was good and I came two times during hour and half .. so it was good value for money as in between I got nice body massage from them.

Next evening while walking in the hotel corridor (late night) I saw 2 girls who were probably comming after serving a guest , I just game them interesting look and they stopped and asked "SEX / MASSAGE? I didn't find them hot so I just let them go. Also once I took the service from the hotel , they started calling me late night and the girl will ask if I need the ladies in my room.

After 3 nights in hotel Russiya I decided to change the hotel . I personaly don't like very big hotel and this one was massive with 3000 rooms and Its easy to get lost. So I moved in to Radisson for the later part of my trip. I checked up the night club of Radisson called Grand Prix . Cover charge 500 Rubles on week days and 600 at times on the weekend. They have Shows with some good looking girls and they have around 15 pros hainging out there. The quality of girls there was very good. Most of them 7-8 and some even 9 except a few 5-6. Its easy to speak to them and they will sit with you and chat over a drink. The prices however they ask is 300$ which I found very high . I maximum I could bring them down was 200$ and that was around 1 am .I felt that was not the right price and more than the going rates in Moscow so I didn't pick. Also I noticed that just one or two guys finaly took the girls from the club to their rooms as most of them after chating and drinking split , guess it was because of the high prices. Also The massage at the health club of Radisson is veg so avoid it unless you realy are interested in a body massage.

Another good option is to look at Moscow Times and see under "Introduction" All adverts there are for Sex. Avoid a lady called TAMARA , she is not hot and also not that young, though she comes cheaper 70-80 $ for one hour may be even 60$ if negotiated properly. The other one I tried from Moscow times was 100$ for an hour and was good , name was Olga, she told me she dosen't advertise regularly( The advert from TAMARA is there everyday), she was around 23-25 and a 7. Good BJ Skills and dosent hurry .

For the first time visitors to Moscow , it not a easy place . The Immigration / Customs is unlike Europe. You have to always carry your passport (original) when in Moscow together with the Hotel registration paper (the hotel puts the seal on the back of your immigration card which you retain after entering Moscow) Also please take care that you don't loose the Customs Decleration form which you fill at Arrival and declare the amount of currency what you bring in to Moscow. Pls keep that safe as you will have to hand it back on Departure together with one more custom decleration form which you fill at the departure.

I also would recomend using the VIP channel. its legal as you get the receipt . Ask you travel agent that you need the VIP channel on arrival and departure , it cost 65$ per person each way , but it saves lot of hassels. There is a seperate VIP area with seperate Custom / Check in / Immigration desk and once you have done the Customs and the check in ( in Moscow first one has to clear the customs and then the checkin ) the immigration desk will take your passports and bording passes and you can wait in hall or go upstairs in the lounge where they also serve drinks etc. Before the departure of the fight they will announce ( I only heard them announcing in Russian in the lounge so its better you keep asking them if its your flight) Once your flight is ready one of the staff members with VIP sign would hand back your passport with exit stamps already on them and then escort you to the security gate . If there is a long que , they will make sure they stop everyone else and let you go first through the security . I think it makes life easy as while comming in Moscow I was unware of this system and I did had some problems with the customs , but while going back I took this VIP channel and it was smooth.

I will probably go back in September to Moscow and I would love to hear from other hunters more on the scene at Radisson.

Thanks folks and happy hunting

Forgot to mention that in Radisson there is no problem to get guest to your room , the procedure is that you have to get the registration for the guest ,specialy if its night and they say its for the security of guest ,and it takes only a minute to register. In the day time I could take my friend up without any registration , they normaly don't bother in the day.

BR4U... nice report. I've never stayed or visited the Radisson, but the Marriotts and Renaissance are cool with girls in the room. You don't even have to register them, but you have to walk them down afterwards so the security knows that you're not face down in a puddle of blood upstairs. The Sheraton is OK with girls but you have to register them. The registration is not hard, BUT it can be a problem if the girl doesn't have her papers.

Because of this, I now only rent an apartment when I travel to Moscow or Spb.

From a price standpoint, the Radisson bar seems very high end... for these prices you could have had the pick of the litter at Nightflight and maybe even Metalitsa. Or, maybe two "beauties" from Chesterfields. It sounds to me like that bar is taking advantage of the businessmen in the hotel that don't feel like going out on the town or perhaps intimidated to go out.

You give good solid advice though about declaring your cash going into Russia AND carrying your passport/visa/new immigration card with you at all times! The militia are very active in Moscow and you can be assured that if you are with a girl... you will probably be stopped because they know that it is likely that the girl's papers are not current. If so, you will have a choice of paying a "fine" on the spot or losing your girl for several hours or more.

If you're interested in my apartment contact, feel free to email my spammed email account, californiatraveler@hotmail.com

Can anybros suggest a good sauna where to get good massage and also good sex (if the girls are beauty) near golden ring hotel .
And can also indicate an average price for theese.
Thanks bros

There are an infinite number of saunas in Moscow. Plan to spend an average of $50 per hour for the sauna, and $50+ per hour for the girl.

EX


[QUOTE]Originally posted by aleatreiu
[i]Can anybros suggest a good sauna where to get good massage and also good sex (if the girls are beauty) near golden ring hotel .
And can also indicate an average price for theese.
Thanks bros [/i][/QUOTE]

I will be in Moscow in the near future staying at the Hotel Metropole. I do speak Russian, studied there in my college days in the 80's and kept the language up at home in the US.

Does anyone know what the scene is like at the Metropole? I have to be discreet due to work considerations.

Thanks,
Dogbro

dogbro... All Russian hotels present a problem with girls in the room unless you bribe the security or maybe register them. The Western hotels are pretty cool about girls and very expensive. I have personal experience with the Sheraton, the Marriotts and the Renaissance. The Marriotts and Renaissance have no problem taking girls up, but you have to excort them down. The Sheraton has no problem, but you have to register them which could be a problem with some girls w/o papers. I've been told that the new Hyatt is also like the Marriotts.

Unless you have to stay at the Metropol, I strongly suggest an apartment. They're a lot cheaper than a hotel and you have your privacy. If you're interested, you can email me and I'll give you a contact that I use when I visit Moscow. He has 15 apartments so you should not have a problem.

Hi all,

I was asking befor this...but i try it again. I will be in Moscow from April 25 to 28. Are anybody also there in this time? It would be cool to have a beer togehter.

Swissman

Explorer8939
Thank you for the information could you also suggest me one that you know has really nice girl near the golden ring hotel ?
Thanks again aleatreiu

Unless you have to stay at the Metropol, I strongly suggest an apartment. They're a lot cheaper than a hotel and you have your privacy. If you're interested, you can email me and I'll give you a contact that I use when I visit Moscow. He has 15 apartments so you should not have a problem. [/i][/QUOTE]

Can you give me mail address for flats?

My personal mail is mcammor@axelero.hu

BR4U,

Thanks for a great report! I've done the Night Flight scene before and have had no problem taking girls back to a Marriott. My first experience there was when THREE girls (7-8's) picked me up and took me back to their place. I paid $300 for all three of them for all night. They wore me out. There were condoms and body parts flying around all over the place!

My main difficulty is that I usually travel with a large group, so I really need to be discrete. For a while, I would visit an incall location that was on the 18th floor of the Orylonosk (sp?) hotel/casino. This is the same hotel where the 911 Club is located. An hour session was usually about $100 and you could pick from a line-up. When I was in Moscow last month, I noticed the ad was gone from the Moscow Times. I went to the hotel anyway and went up to the 18th floor, but the incall location was gone -- bummer.

I've been wanting to try one of the introduction services. I assume they are incall? I read about the one you didn't recommend. Are there any in particular you DO recommend? I speak virtually no Russian, so a place that speaks English is a must.

Do you know of any incall places like what used to be at the Orylonosk? I couldn't find any ads for similar places last time, either.

I've never found any ladies at either the Marriott Tverskaya or the Aurora. Either it's because the bars are too small or I'm just going down there at the wrong times. Have you had similar experiences?

I've never tried the street scene -- I think it's probably too risky.

I agree 1000% with your comments about passport control and customs. I ALWAYS go through the red line and declare my cash. If I've ATM'd money I've not spent, I always pay down the hotel bill at checkout to make sure I leave with less than I brought in. It's a small inconvenience at the airport, but definitely worth it!

Cheers & happy hunting!

Max




[QUOTE]Originally posted by BodyRockerForU
[i]Hello Friends,

Another good option is to look at Moscow Times and see under "Introduction" All adverts there are for Sex. Avoid a lady called TAMARA , she is not hot and also not that young, though she comes cheaper 70-80 $ for one hour may be even 60$ if negotiated properly. The other one I tried from Moscow times was 100$ for an hour and was good , name was Olga, she told me she dosen't advertise regularly( The advert from TAMARA is there everyday), she was around 23-25 and a 7. Good BJ Skills and dosent hurry .

For the first time visitors to Moscow , it not a easy place . The Immigration / Customs is unlike Europe. You have to always carry your passport (original) when in Moscow together with the Hotel registration paper (the hotel puts the seal on the back of your immigration card which you retain after entering Moscow) Also please take care that you don't loose the Customs Decleration form which you fill at Arrival and declare the amount of currency what you bring in to Moscow. Pls keep that safe as you will have to hand it back on Departure together with one more custom decleration form which you fill at the departure.[/i][/QUOTE]

Max101,

I haven't stayed in Marriot so I don't know the scene there.As far as Radisson is concerned they for sure have gals in the night club ,however as I mentioned they are far too expensive.

Good that you avoided the one I didn't recommend from Introductions (Moscow Times) it's not worth. I would recommend Olga but then Olga is a common Russian name so I am not sure if you get the right Olga :) U gotta take your chance, unfortunately I don't have her number.Re Incalls , some from Introductions (Moscow Times ) do offer both In and Out Calls and I think most of them can speak English.

Re Street scene ..naa .. that's not my cup of tea.I would not try that in Moscow.

Happy Hunting Buddy.

The Marriotts and the Renaissance are definitely cool with bringing girls back to your room. However, there are not girls available at the hotel. So, you are stuck with picking them up from CF/NF/line-ups or another of a 100 different places... I know it's tough, but you'll probably have fun in the process!

Sorry guys, I was offline for a few days during some travel. Actually I'm busting at the balls to get back to Moscow and enjoy some girls. You can email me at michaelgage@mail.ru

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hedonist
[i]MichaelGage, I want to email you for further info, but you didn't write your email address. [/i][/QUOTE]

CAtraveler,

I'm conversational Russian, and what I can piece together is pieces... and like Russia, there are so many variables.. but anyways, some of girls on lineup don't do anything else because they don't have the connections, or they don't know how. Several have asked me to "pimp" for them, or in other words introduce them to my friends. I have met a few who have worked up from lineups to nightflight. Last year I picked up a girl at nightflight who had started on the line, and was slowly introduced to other venues.

Last fall I met two girls fresh into Moscow from Voronozhe who had come to Moscow to try and make some money. They had one phone number to call, but hadn't called it yet. I saw them walking through Ohotny Ryad (the mall downtown center) and bought them some pizza. About 2 hours later I was enjoying some of the freshest fuck you can imagine, and kept them in my flat for 4 days until they wanted to go home. I gave them each 100$, bought their train tickets for them, and they were happy, plus we enjoyed alot of wine and vodka. Anyway, it just taught me that many of the girls are flying blind and don't know the system as well as one might think.

I talked to one "mamachka" one night, when I had to wait for some other bastards to pick their girls, and she said she had more girls than she could deal with. When I picked a girl out of the line up the mamachka had no idea what her name was, or anything about her. I was told she was fresh, and just looking in her eyes and seeing how nervous she was.. anyway it was obvious. This girl gave me alot of fun, so I was gentle and sweet with her... she couldn't meet me the next night so her friend came instead. I met four girls through this one girl, and each time paid them $50 each. They were all $150 quality if they had been in the line ups.

So just keep talking, asking, and making friends. Before you know it you will be doing as many and as high of quality as you want.

michaelgage@mail.ru

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
[i]MG, I don't know how I missed your post earlier, but you give excellent advice about the lineup girls. My experience is exactly the same as yours and I have definitely experienced some of my best sex ever from the "fresh" lineup girls. I also find that a substantial number of the girls only work a few nights a month to supplement their income. Plus, as you say, any of the girls that you click with will be anxious to stay for as many nights as you want them, simply because they never know who's going to take them home and beat the crap out of them just to show who's "boss".

According to some of the girls, they typically only only get 40-50% of the total charge. So a $70 girl may only get $35 tops! In fact, I've found that some of the newer girls tend to start at the lower price category for some reason. I stayed with an 18 y.o. for about a week in November... she was a real beauty, but I couldn't figure out why she'd choose the lineup instead of NF or CF where she could keep the whole fee? I think the real reason is that they don't feel comfortable with their English or _______ to focus on foreigners! In fact, combined with their level of comfort as you mentioned, many of the newer girls even at CF or NF can be identified because they don't have the English phrases down pat and are embarassed at their level of English! [/i][/QUOTE]

At the Radisson, if your girl doesn't have a passport, it still is no problem... just tell security you want to sign for her. He will ask her name, your name, room number and you sign. You are taking responsibility for her, so you can't tell them she stole your wallet later, but you can take her up and bang away.

I get alot of Ukrainians and Belarussian girls from line ups who have no passports, but it is no problem to enjoy.

I double agree on the price of the girls at the radisson... why waste the money when the same quality is available, but you have to learn how to seek and find.

Another note... be careful at the lineups near the chesterfields... the police have been stinging foreigners. You buy the girl, drive off and the mamachka calls the cops with your license number. Then they stop you and ask for a bribe to let you take her. You end up shelling out more denari and it pisses me off. I've never been stung at himkee, but it doesn't hurt to have the girl lay down on the seat so the cops can't see her head. It can be fun, too.

By the way... has anyone else noticed that the same girls are showing up at chesterfields as at nightflight, but asking about $150 less? I've had fun at nightflight.. initial price is high, but if you make a relationship you can fuck for less in the future with her, or even move into her flat in some cases; but sometimes chesterfields is roaring.

It sucked on the night of the super bowl, though -- as did my team.

Final note -- language courses at MGU are great.. and you get a student card, too, so you can mingle with the student body or bodies as it were. I took a two week course there last year and almost died from exhaustion... first, learning russian and second fucking russians students from all over creation. Some of them are lonely, so you might try to meet a few.

michaelgage@mail.ru


[QUOTE]Originally posted by BodyRockerForU
[i]Forgot to mention that in Radisson there is no problem to get guest to your room , the procedure is that you have to get the registration for the guest ,specialy if its night and they say its for the security of guest ,and it takes only a minute to register. In the day time I could take my friend up without any registration , they normaly don't bother in the day. [/i][/QUOTE]

Just got back from a brief biz trip to Moscow. It was woman's day weekend, so I didn't manage to get away for any action...my girlfriend there wouldn't let me out of her sight! Had a great time with her, but did miss getting some new action. Next time.

Did go to a strip club with business partners though, a club called "Divas" on Strasnoy Boulevard, which is right by the cinema on Pushkinskaya Ploschad.

It sucked. Only $20 to get in, but the girls were very average and there was almost no atmosphere, due to the lack of customers. Quickly ran up a bill of about $130 bucks for me and my buddy just for drinks for us, "diva dollars" to put in the girls g-strings and 3 cocktails for various girls. Same $50 charge for private dance, or $100 for half an hour. I've never had one, but hear they are nothing special. Anybody think the contrary?

Was really lame. Two girls even had scars! The cutest girl there I talked to for a while. She said she was 16. I thought you had to be 18 to work in those kind of places...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by MichaelGage
[i] Another note... be careful at the lineups near the chesterfields... the police have been stinging foreigners. You buy the girl, drive off and the mamachka calls the cops with your license number. Then they stop you and ask for a bribe to let you take her. You end up shelling out more denari and it pisses me off. I've never been stung at himkee, but it doesn't hurt to have the girl lay down on the seat so the cops can't see her head. It can be fun, too.

By the way... has anyone else noticed that the same girls are showing up at chesterfields as at nightflight, but asking about $150 less? I've had fun at nightflight.. initial price is high, but if you make a relationship you can fuck for less in the future with her, or even move into her flat in some cases; but sometimes chesterfields is roaring.

[/i][/QUOTE]

Was at Chesterfields last October and it was renamed Something like Mike and Doug's "Boar House" Is it called Chesterfields again?

Found the best girls there. They asked for 100US but would settle for about $75 for short-time.

Yes, officially it is the "Boar House" but I've found that most of the taxi drivers, or just the guy off the street, will still call it chesterfields.

I think you did pretty good at $75.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by npaul
[i]Was at Chesterfields last October and it was renamed Something like Mike and Doug's "Boar House" Is it called Chesterfields again?

Found the best girls there. They asked for 100US but would settle for about $75 for short-time. [/i][/QUOTE]

It's pretty common to find 16 yr olds working like that. In the lineups, all the girls are 18, but you can tell easily that they are NOT 18. So be careful.

Anything more about that should be on email.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by doctor_skank

Was really lame. Two girls even had scars! The cutest girl there I talked to for a while. She said she was 16. I thought you had to be 18 to work in those kind of places... [/i][/QUOTE]

npual - egad - you actually could LEAVE with more money than you brought? I envy you. My multiple trip to the ATMs for more pyb's sort of limits my ability. I Haven't tried entering with more than 1500 US and then customs actually LAUGHED at me and waved me on.

Hey all....

Just have a quick question.

Is there a web guide that lists all Salons or Brothels in Moscow and St. Petersburg with addresses? With ratings or feedback reports possibly? I leave on April 2nd for Moscow and will be spending my time there and in St. Pete for about 10 days. Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks in Advance
Lurking60

www.dosug.nu is the best
www.topgirls.ru is okay
www.dosug.org is okay too

Or when you are there buy a copy of the moscow times for outcalls.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by lurking60
[i]Hey all....

Just have a quick question.

Is there a web guide that lists all Salons or Brothels in Moscow and St. Petersburg with addresses? With ratings or feedback reports possibly? I leave on April 2nd for Moscow and will be spending my time there and in St. Pete for about 10 days. Any information would be appreciated.

Thanks in Advance
Lurking60 [/i][/QUOTE]

Please can you tell me where is lineups?

I'll be in Moscow one month in June

Thanks all

In Moscow, you can buy girls at lineups (the russian call it "tochkas" or points). A woman will stand on the side of the road and when you stop she will tell you where you can see the girls. Generally, you will drive about 50 meters down some alley where the girls will be gathered. Several cars will be parked there and perhaps a few vans. When you approach another girl will ask you what kind of girl you want, and what price range. Prices are from $50 to $150 depending on the season (winter is cheaper) and the quality of girls. She will then scream out what you have indicated to the girls, and they will "lineup" in front of your headlights so you can choose. Feel free to get out of the car and walk down the line so you can see them better. Ask them to open their coat. Reach around and feel if they have a nice ass. Make sure you have them smile and check their teeth -- horrible to get a pretty face with ugly, messed up teeth! :)

After awhile you can tell which girls are pros and which are new. Some will have definite fear in their eyes (probably new) and some will look hard (pros who hate it) and some will be begging for you to take them. A girl who stares you down alot is often pretty good to fuck.

Buying a girl at a lineup is a rush of power first of all. It's also the best way to check out what you want in the shortest amount of time. Most lineups are pretty courteous even. I have bought a girl, and on the way home while feeling her up found out she had a scar across her belly. I didn't like that, so we turned around and took her back. The "mamachka" or pimping grandma, gave me another pick without any trouble.

Often, if you are nice the girls will stay with you longer. I've kept girls for up to a week (could have gone longer but I had to go home) But be careful about being too nice -- most girls will interpret it as being weak, and you will be an easy mark for them to take advantage of. They are often slapped around. Buying a few girls on lineup, and you will soon see bruises on arms and ass where others have squeezed too hard while holding them down, or spanked them alot for their pleasures. If you speak a little russian you will hear some amazing and often horrible stories.

Also, remember that the girls are a great source for finding other girls -- you get the freshest girls this way. I have been introduced by a girl I bought to a girl who was "thinking" about working, who then introduced me to another, and so on. I have also been introduced to sisters and roomates, etc. I

[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcammor
[i]Please can you tell me where is lineups?

I'll be in Moscow one month in June

Thanks all [/i][/QUOTE]

Michael:
Thanks a lot for your excellent post about lineups. What time during the night is good to hit to the lineups? What should we tell to the cab drivers to let them understand that we wanna check out the tochki?

mcammor:
I will be in Moscow in June as well. Email me at [email]russophil@hotmail.com[/email] if you'll be interested in trying the lineups together.

MichaelGage,

Thank you for your info to us.

Do you have any web guides which are in English? Coz I've checked out the sites which you mentioned before. But I couldn't understand the lanuage. Shame on me :)

Rusty

Hedonist,

Girls are out in some places all day (Himkee, for example) but the selection is not very good. I've bought a few girls on the way into the city from the airport around 11am. What I found was okay for a quick fuck, and once or twice i was real happy -- but generally the best girls will be out around 10pm until 2 or 3 in the morning. Don't be discouraged if there are slow nights, as that means if you look hard you will often find a real knockout.

Remember, too.. often a girl will stay in the car for a special buyer, so if you don't like what you see at first, keep asking until all the girls are on display.

If I'm in Moscow during June, I will show you around. I hit the city about every other month, but who knows? email me for other questions: michaelgage@mail.ru

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hedonist
[i]Michael:
Thanks a lot for your excellent post about lineups. What time during the night is good to hit to the lineups? What should we tell to the cab drivers to let them understand that we wanna check out the tochki?

mcammor:
I will be in Moscow in June as well. Email me at [email]russophil@hotmail.com[/email] if you'll be interested in trying the lineups together. [/i][/QUOTE]

Hedonist,

Just tell the taxis you want to buy a girl. Use hand signals if necessary. Say "devochka" and he will get it, which means girl.
or mamachka, that means the mother/grandmother who is pimping the girls.

Don't pay more than 500 rubles for a couple hours of touring around looking at 10 or more points.

michaelgage

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Hedonist
[i]Michael:
Thanks a lot for your excellent post about lineups. What time during the night is good to hit to the lineups? What should we tell to the cab drivers to let them understand that we wanna check out the tochki?

mcammor:
I will be in Moscow in June as well. Email me at [email]russophil@hotmail.com[/email] if you'll be interested in trying the lineups together. [/i][/QUOTE]

Rusty,

Yea, the language is a *****. I'm barely conversational, but at least well enough to fake out the occasional taxi driver (I've even had them tell me I was a liar when I confessed I was an American!)

As for websites with Moscow girls in English, try - http://www.katenka.ru/english/

I've used these guys before, and had a great time with a blonde that was actually a playboy (Russian) cover girl. She was a great time.

You call them, and they tell you an address where you go stand by a phone booth. Then a guy comes up and introduces himself to you, and leads you to their apartment. It's all safe and sound, and the girls are lovely.

But always understand, the more english the more the price goes up. You might be better off to try and find a Russian friend (male) who wants to go *****-mongering with you. You'll save money in the end, especially if you are going to enjoy more than one trick.

Also, don't forget the Russian language schools. Just walking around the campus is a fun way to talk to girls who want to practice their english. It's not as easy to get laid that way as it was a few years ago (I started coming to Moscow in 92) but it still can be done, and it's fun too. I will never forget these twins from Voronozhe! I only scored on the one, but oh god how I wanted the other one. Anyway, just jump in and enjoy.

Michael

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rusty
[i]MichaelGage,

Thank you for your info to us.

Do you have any web guides which are in English? Coz I've checked out the sites which you mentioned before. But I couldn't understand the lanuage. Shame on me :)

Rusty [/i][/QUOTE]

**Question***


Staying at the Rossia in Moscow in April. Are there any good brothels (and inexspensive) near there? Names and locations would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

MG, continued good advice about the lineups!

Were you at Chesterfields on Super Bowl Sunday? What a dead night for girls, BUT I did manage to hook up with two girls that came on the last Metro to dance planning on staying until Metro started up on Monday... They were bummed out that it was all football all of the time, so I offered to take them to my apartment for dancing to MTV! Next thing I knew just after kick-off, they tapped me on my shoulder and asked if I was ready to go! Now, I enjoy football, but I wasn't going to turn down a freebie-threesome!

I've been told that CF's is working hard to keep out the ugly ho's... problem is that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder" and it's left up to the goons at the door to make the decision. Also, it seems like they're trying to keep the girls out until after 1230 or 0100, so the local Russkies can party w/o the lineup of girls.

Let me know if you're going to be in Moscow in May or July, maybe we can get together for a beer.

californiatraveler@hotmail.com

Hey guys. I am going to Moscow in the end of April. I have an impression, looking at web sites, that prices have gone up. Two years ago it was mostly $40-60 for 2 hours. Now it is more like $70-100/1hour... Is it just interenet prices?
If any of you guys traveled to Russia before and know what I am talking about please tell me what are going prices are? Also I am wondering about girls from Night Flight . Are they still asking $300/night or prices 've gone up there as well?
Any cool places you can recomend for partying or picking up girls.
I have heard a good words about Jetset and Shamballa as chill spots. Also, MOST club ,is it a good place?
What are prices like at Chesterfield? Where is quality of girls the best? If there is such place in Moscow. From my exp. you have to dig through a lot of ugly broads to get one or two 7-8s.
Never had luck with line up girls due to their quality. Prices use to be $70/night . How is it now?
Any of you guys know of new places with Hungry Duck system:)?
Too bad that place has closed.
Appriciate your info.
Thank you.

Monster,

The prices are up in certain areas (those where the americans go who don't speak english) but the regular prices are in some cases going down. Don't turn off the line-ups, you just haven't looked hard enough.

It's still 300$ at nightflight, but wait till about 2am and you can get out the door for $100 or $150 if its a slow night. I was there in February and went home with a definite 8 blonde for a great time at $150, but I do speak a little ruskie so it helps. Chesterfields is up and down depending on the night.

it's still best to build a relationship with a dosug, and keep trying till you feel comfortable. Talk to the girls and you can get leads on new ones, or lower prices.

Call the numbers in Moscow Times and just keep talking. You will hit gold when you find a girl who isn't on the total "take it all from the americans" trip.

Have fun, and feel free to write me if you have other questions.

Michael

**Question**


Hey Guys, will be in Moscow in a few of days and was wondering if anyone could tell me about prices and quality of woman at the following places:

1) Safari Lodge
2) Shpilka
3) Oh La La
4) Platinum
5) Dolls
6) Night Flight
7) Divas
8) Krasnaya Shapochka
10) Metelitsa

If I have missed any that would be important to my trip please feel free to give suggestions. Any information at all would be helpful.

Thanks in advance.

Nightflight seems like highest quality in Moscow as far as I know. Although
Prices are $300 a night . Actualy nice place for drinks or dinner. Kinda has NY feel too it.
Metelitsa also 300 a night but more for russians with horrible music. Tonns of good *****s. But atmosphere is much worse then NF. Lots of out of towners.
Never been in the rest of the places on your list.
But take my advice:" Dont go to any place where they have striptease. They are all rip off places. You leave your money but get nowhere with dancers. Plus Russian girls cannot dance, this is not Cuba or Rio :)))

Hi!

I'm new here and I will be in Moscow from April 13-18. I have reserved room at Marriot Tverskaya. Are there any problems taking guests to the room?

I found a lot of girls ads in www.dosug.nu but it seems like 95% of them do not speak English.

Is any one from this forum in Moscow the same dates?

> They are often slapped around. Buying a few girls on lineup, and you will soon see bruises on arms and ass where others have squeezed too hard while holding them down, or spanked them alot for their pleasures. If you speak a little russian you will hear some amazing and often horrible stories.


Hi Michael,

as you seem to be the expert here, would you tell us some of those stories? I find them to be more erotical than sexual acts in themselves, and certainly a good introduction to Moscow by night. Also, as I speak little Russian and seem unable to improve it, that's the one way I'll have a chance to hear them, and believe me, hear'em is what I am looking for.

Thanks in advance and congrats, Viator

Viator,

Not sure that this is the right place to get into specific details? The facts are there, and any who have used lineups very often will see what I mean. I'll give it a shot, but email me (michaelgage@mail.ru) if you have any specific questions.

The mafia "train" a new girl by what they call a "black saturday" which is nothing more than a long weekend at a dacha where the girl is fucked constantly non-stop by 8 or 10 men. If you buy a girl and she has a scab on her lower spine, you will know that she has been through a black saturday. She has been gang banged seriously enough that her back was rubbed raw from having her legs strung up over the men's shoulders. When she is rocked back and forth on her spine you get this abrasion. I've seen dozens. Others will show you burns from the sauna. By the way the general "excuse" will be "I fell down" or a dog "scratched" me, etc. Just point to the bruise and say "bad client" (ploha cleent) and they will generally agree and open up the truth.

Also, you will see bruises on their arms where the guy squeezes hard while he is doing her, or on her breasts. I've seen backs scratched up by finger nails, throats with burn marks, wrists and ankles with rope burns. Some girls you will find have bruises from spanking with a clear hand print, still others with a belt or paddle. I must admit I've enjoyed slapping an ass once or twice while riding her in the night.

If you buy a girl and she won't kiss you -- they often try to tell you that they don't kiss, just lift your hand as though to slap her and she will (nearly 100% of the time) become soft and pliable, and french kiss you all night long. She will respond to strength, and what amazes me is how they get excited and aroused when you show yourself strong. Then they come like banshees.

At other times, with an upraised hand, they will act like a dog does who has been beaten. You can put two and two together to realize what she has been through.

The bottom line is -- if she is talking back at you, or acting too much like a pro -- then she is taking you for a ride. She is totally bluffing her way through you. Working on the lineups is often brutal as the girl has no idea where she is being taken, or how many men will be there when she walks in the room. She thinks you don't know what you are doing if you put up with her tough talk. If she were in fact a "pro" she'd be working at night flight, not on the street.

If you like anal sex, lineups are the place to go. I generally shower with the girl, or even take a long hot bath and lay with her in the water drinking wine and kissing. Then I soap her up good and make sure she is clean, including putting my finger up her ass to let her know what to expect. I've had them ask me not to do it, but I've never had them tell me they will not do it. They know that whatever you are going to do to them will be done. Turks and Russians are often so brutal, that a firm man who treats her decent is her knight in shining armor.

I've done greek on girls who were obviously not enjoying it who then cuddle with me and kiss -- reminding me exactly of how a child gives their love after being disciplined. One girl literally was crying the next day because I had to leave her and go to the airport. My driver was laughing his head off about the ukrainian girl crying because I had to go away. He still laughs about it.

Also remember this, if you ever buy a girl and she is on the rag, you can take her back and get another, or you can lay her down and do greek all night. They make the girls work when they are having their period, simply because they expect the guy to do anal.

You will also find that deepthroat is very common. Slide the girl's head off the edge of the bed and go deep. She'll take it wonderfully.

You may ask, how do I know all this? Two sources -- russian guys I've hung around with and partied, and second, talking to the girls themselves. You ask the questions and they start talking about being gangbanged, tied up for days, and other horrors. Realize what you are buying. Not all were willing at the start, many have their passports stolen, others are forced by their own parents (yes, it's true) and still others just desperately need money. There is a dark side to the lineups that I don't recommend you jump into.

I prefer meeting the young MGU student who needs rent money or whatever, and is willing to do what it takes. No bruises, fresh bods, and real affection are the general result.

Michael


Hi Michael,

as you seem to be the expert here, would you tell us some of those stories? I find them to be more erotical than sexual acts in themselves, and certainly a good introduction to Moscow by night. Also, as I speak little Russian and seem unable to improve it, that's the one way I'll have a chance to hear them, and believe me, hear'em is what I am looking for.

Thanks in advance and congrats, Viator [/i][/QUOTE]

MichaelGage

I never had to be a brut and always found the Russian chicks to be very accomodating.

Boofer,

Please don't misunderstand me... I am not advocating being a "brute" just telling the truth about what the girls experience, and how and why they act as they do. The girls are VERY accomodating, and that's why Russian girls are so wonderful.

Michael


[QUOTE]Originally posted by boofer
[i]MichaelGage

I never had to be a brut and always found the Russian chicks to be very accomodating. [/i][/QUOTE]

Michael,

a through and excellent report from all points of view! My thanks and my congratulations. I will email you later for further details.

Viator

jes007... no problem taking girls to your room at any of the Marriotts or the Renaissance. However, you will have to escort them down to the lobby unless it is mid-morning or later. Security only wants to make sure you aren't upstairs face down in a pool of blood.

michaelgage... here's an interesting article about lineups from the Exile. May be a lot of BS...

http://www.exile.ru/162/162040001.html

Some of it does sound like BS, and the girls will feed you whatever you will listen to, but alot of it rings true, also. Any points in the article that you were particularly wondering about?

The fools that went back for more girls was funny, as they were asking to get beat up.

The freebies for the police is true, I know for a fact.

Michael

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
[i]jes007... no problem taking girls to your room at any of the Marriotts or the Renaissance. However, you will have to escort them down to the lobby unless it is mid-morning or later. Security only wants to make sure you aren't upstairs face down in a pool of blood.

michaelgage... here's an interesting article about lineups from the Exile. May be a lot of BS...

http://www.exile.ru/162/162040001.html [/i][/QUOTE]

**In Moscow Today**

Any fellow mongers in Moscow that would like to meet up for a beer and some hunting, let me know. I am here for a few days. Will be checking this mail later today.

Peace

My gut feeling is that what the exile writes is true about lineups. They have this new bi-weekly series on Mark Ames experience with "working girls", really interesting stuff. Check it out.

Everybody sees things from their perspective and adding up their stories gives you something which may or may not resemble the truth. Thanks Michael Gage for your report, was really cool and informative. I had an experience with 2 line-up girls about 3 years ago, $50 each. Was really wild and cool. They raided the Marriott minibar I had in my room... the girls cost $100 total in 2000 prices... but they drank about $75 worth of vodka and whiskey from the mini-bar and were wild as hell. They were really slutty, but I loved it.

BTW: anybody know of a good place to pick up loose women on a Wednesday night, I'm talking non-pro freebies? Still Latin night at Voodoo Club on Wed?

If that doesn't work for me I'll be hitting Chesterfields/Doug + Martys, what's Wednesday action like at about midnight or 1? Any recent experience?

Any info will help in my pursuit of that fine Russian ass and I'll be much obliged...

Hey guys is quality of Line up girls maxes out on those example fotos in Exile article?
Are there any better ones that could be found or it is almost impossible task and I better stick with agencyes and regular club sluts? I like my sluts washed, shaved and with all teeth in their mouth.:))
Let me know your opinion . Do I have a chance to find better looking *****s then those in Exile?

Russian translation help! Can anyone here tell me what this means? (in simple English :) )

[URL]http://love.onweb.ru/usr/?RQID=13198[/URL]

Thanks in advance :)
OddManOut

Have to post the link as the cyrillic stuff doesn't appear correctly. With AltaVista translation it says 'deep will pass'.

**Rossia Hotel**

Discovered a neet little trick this evening. If you go to any one of the cafes in the Rossia and ask for a Lady. They will send one to your room about 10 to 20 minutes later. I understand that if you speak Russian then they will call you first for your requirements. Since I do not, they just sent one to me. 25 about 5 feet 6 inch, dirty blonde hair. Very Clean (seemed that way). about an 8 for body and 7.5 for looks. 9 for attitude. Over all - best $100 I spent in a while. Nothing beats Thailand of course, but she was a great GF experience.

Will be in St. Pete tomorrow if any fellow mongers would like to hook up to party and go hunting.

Peace.

Lurking , In Hotel Rossia there is a easier way then going to the cafe and asking for the babe .Just pick up the phone in your room and call the "Guest Relation" ( the phone set has the Guest Relation Button ) and ask them to send a girl for massage in your room .Shortly another lady will ring you back and ask give you details about prices and once agreed the girl will be there in your room in 10 mints . In my case they sent 2 girls and once I choose one of them , the second one said she would like to stay also and promised a great time . I negotiated and got both of them for 150$ for One and Half Hour.

**BodyRockerForU**

Thanks for the info. I certainly will use it again when i am back in Moscow, will be there Wednesday and Thursday this week. I am currently in St. Petersburg, staying at the Hotel Sovetskaya. Do you know any tricks of the trade here in town. Just got in yesterday and haven't had time to explore yet. Any input would be appreciated.

Thanks again

CA traveler any advise on where i can rent nice appartment in a decent house. Price range around 60-70 a day?
Thank you

Lurking , Regarding info from St.Petersburg ,I am sorry I don't
have any info as I haven't been there. You may find some info on this forum under the head St.Petersburg. By the way they also have a night club in Rossia ,You have to go downstairs in one of the lobby . I think it's in the North East Lobby , I am not sure though exactly which lobby it was as you know Rossia is a huge hotel. Its next to the Massage Parlour and a nice resturant called
Kapp Club .Oh By the way don't try the Massage Parlour as it's Pure Veg Massage and on top of that Elena's very strong hands will make your body ace for next two days . I just went to this Night Club and had a look and saw around 10 babes , one or two of of them were 8-9 .So it's worth cheking , may be you find something interesting . I read somewhere in this forum that there are babes available in the bar on the second floor , but unfortunately I couldn't find any bar on the second floor , there are bars on the first floor on the left and right of the lobby with stairs going from the lobby , but I couldn't find anything intersting there.

The disadvantage in Rossia is that you will have to take one of their gals only as they are not going to allow you to bring someone from outside.

Instead of one try two babes at Rossia this time, don't order for 2 Gals to start with as the price goes up , actualy just say you need massage in your room and negotiate the price . 100 US$ for 2 hours was the deal I got and most probaly they will send 2 babes , choose one of them and wait for them to request you to take both , then you can make a kill .I made them agree for 150 $ for one and half hour , may be you can even get a better deal. Also remember the price goes down as the night goes by.I took them around 9 Pm which is very early, I have been told around 1am and later they will send the gals even for 50$ .

Happy Hunting

**BodyRockerForU**

Hey man, thanks for the info. I go back to the Rossia in Moscow tomorrow evening. I should arrive around Midnite, so it will be a good time for me to make that call. I appreciate the info. Here in St. Pete the Sovetskaya has not been accomidating in the mongering respect. Although for $65 a night it's great for everything else. They actually practice good customer service here. Still have a day and a half here so I will let you know what I can find for future reference.

Thanks again.

Lurking, regarding St Pete , go to this link :

[url]http://www.love.mail.ru/category/1500.1.html[/url]

You would see adverts from Hookers citywise . Look for
CaHkT-IIetep6ypr = St.Petersburg ( I tried to paste the Russian word but its not working so I typed the words in English , more or less it's similar and I guess U can manage ) and click on the links and you will see the adverts with photo and contact phone numbers of these babes from St.Pete . They would be incalls as well as outcalls . If you wanna see a sample go to this link :

[url]http://www.love.mail.ru/item/487044.html?1500[/url]

Or

[url]http://www.love.mail.ru/item/488316.html?1500[/url]

All the postings are in Russian , so you might need to use Altavista translator to understand them.

Hope I gave you this info in time and you can make good use of it b/4 you leave St Pete.

Good Luck Buddy

BodyRockerForU

Hey Man, thanks for all the help. I did find a place today just wondering around. Called Salon SPA "AELITA" they are at 179 Moskovsky Prospect (St. Petersburg). Next to the Jaguar Dealership. You have to go around to the side of the building near the very back and ring the buzzer. The administrator will buzz you in. I purchased a 60 minute erotic body massage for 1200 rubles and recieved an amazing massage and hand release from an 18 year old ex Ballarina. HOLY COW brothers. She was sooooo hot, and didn't even ask for any money but I insisted on tipping here 500 rubles. You would have thought I gave her a million by her reaction.
Normally I dig the full on Brothel thing. However, this was a great change of pace. I will return this evening or early in the morning and try the 2 girl soapy erotic massage. If any of the fellow mongers make it out to St. Petersburg, you definately need to check this place out. When I return I will see just how far they are willing to go to please. But they are all very nice and fun. Sat with the girls at the admin desk for an hour after my session just shooting the shit and cracking jokes. Oh yeah, their number is 387-1408 and 387-1415 and they speak good english. Also, they have a nice place, clean and in good repair. Great atmosphere. Anywho, going to have a little dinner now.

Will update on my next adventure.
Peace

Hi guys!

I'll be making a short business trip to Moscow and Smolensk in june.

Can anybody give me any details about the scene in Smolensk?

Is there any action going on there? Where can it be found? What hotel should I stay at? What are the going rates to get some action?

Any information would be great guys!

Thanks in advance!

Just a comment on "love.mail.ru". I used it last May before a trip to St. Pete's in June. A lot of the e-mails will come back undeliverable. But I did find two girlfriends that gave me two hours for $100. One of them was real cute and spoke English, and we all got along. It was real casual semi-pro, and we spent a lot of time together out of the bedroom. We went nightclubbing all night on several occasions. I stayed in touch by e-mail and saw the cute one on several occasions over the New Year period.
So, this can work, but you'll need some patience and a little luck.

Salon SPA "AELITA" - Update

It's official - no penetration. However, had the 2 girl erotic massage this morning (they are 24 hours btw), and it was pretty great. They will do just about everything to simulate actual sex, tit fucking, hand release, and they will sit on you and jerk you while they rub their sweet spot against you. They use a lot of baby oil also. Have had 3 different girls and all rate between 8 and 9.5 (no one is perfect in my book). 2 of the 3 girls performance I would say was outstanding. The third was also good, but unfortunately for her I was comparing her against the other 2. Seems the ages range from 18 to mid 20's and there are a few different types of girls to choose from. The receptionist is probably one of the hottest girls I have seen - too bad she's not in the line up. I asked her if her picture was in the book of choices and she said no, that she is an "Administrator". Seemed a little too young and Hot to be a Mamasan, but hey more power to her.

I do think that if you have a little spare time to spend in St. Pete that you could most certainly talk one of the girls into spending time with you in her off hours. Unfortunately, I know absolutely no Russian and my plane leaves tonight for Moscow. No time to Mack.

Well, that's all from St. Pete. Next stop Moscow, to try some of the tips from our good brother "BodyRockerForU".

Peace

Guys,

When you get an apartment in Moscow, how do you register your visa? Did anybody who is not from an EU or North American country try registering his visa while staying in an apartment in Moscow? Your help is greatly appreciated. Thanks a lot!

Visa Registration:

a) spend the first night in Moscow in hotel, register your visa there.

b) don't bother registering your visa, and take your chances.

I heard that hotels register visas only for the period one stays with them. Is this correct? Did anybody recently have his visa registered for the entire period of stay in Russia?

I am now straying from knowledge into Internet speculation, but it is logical that the visa requirement is that the incoming visitor register their visa within 72 hours of entry into Russia, NOT for the entire stay, since that is physically impossible.

Clearly, the visa laws allow for situations where it is impossible to register one's visa after the initial hotel registration, such as when one is taking the overnight train to Siberia; there are allowable gaps between hotel -registered- stays.

Moreover, the whole visa registration system seems pretty poorly organized. Some hotels seem to register you by writing something on a piece of paper which goes into your passport, and who knows if they ever send that onto to Moscow, and who knows if anyone in Moscow actually does anything with that paperwork. I know people who have gone to Moscow for years, and never bother registering.

End of Internet speculation

Monster... I have used a guy and his wife for apartments for the past four trips and I have 2 more reservations with him. He's been in biz for a long time and I have several friends that have used him with good success. He has 15 apartments and he provides apts for several other "agencies" but he is the source and his rates are less than other "agencies". You can log on to his website at www.kirnat.ru. His name is Kirill and his wife is Natasha. Both speak English.

Tell him I suggested you call him and he'll treat you right. If you want to email me, I'll give you a couple of drivers that I use in Moscow to/from the airports. californiatraveler@hotmail.com

PLEASE do not mention our hobby to Kirill or the drivers!

Odd man... go to www.translate.ru to translate your webpage.

I know many of you have discussed the line up deal, will any taxi take me to one? Is there one better than the others? What about the cops, is it illegal?

Thanks

whitelight,

No, it is not legal, but neither is it prosecuted - in most cases the police are well paid off, and dip into the profits and partake of other side "benefits."

Sometimes you can get burned -- meaning the police will stop you, tell you the girl has no passport or that she is a prostitute and will want money to let you go. Sometimes they will suggest an amount. I've heard of fools who have paid $50, but I generally get off for $5 or $10.

Is one lineup (russian, touchka) better than another? Depends on what you want. I prefer Himkee in the north simply because there are more girls in any given area. In the south, there are some nice spots on lenininsky shosse, not too far from the Moscow State University.

You will discover that many points are based on the girl's nationality -- the ukrainians in one area, belarussians in another, etc, etc.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by whitelight
[i]I know many of you have discussed the line up deal, will any taxi take me to one? Is there one better than the others? What about the cops, is it illegal?

Thanks [/i][/QUOTE]

Explorer8939

When you speak in such words, "clearly the visa lawsallow..." I can only chuckle. Clarity is one thing russians don't want, so that the law can be enforced in different ways by different people upon different people who are in different situations. It's that simple.

A hotel is the EASIEST way to get registered, and yes it will cover your entire stay in Moscow. If you go to another city, you will need to be registered in that city, also. You can also go to an OVIR (the agency that issued you the visa/invitation can tell you where there OVIR is located, or if you are in Moscow and don't know, go to a travel agency and they can telephone a directory and confirm where you are to go. In many cases, but not all, you will pay more for the hassle in both cash and time that you will kick yourself for not spending one night in a hotel and having it done for you pro bono.

If a policeman stops you and says your registration is invalid or expired or any other nonsense, he simply wants a bribe. You have two choices, pay the man cuz he doesn't make jack shit in the first place, or tell him you want to call the consulate, and spend the afternoon in his company as he sizes you up to determine how serious you are that you don't want to pay him. For crying out loud, I just had a phone call yesterday from my local police station asking for a donation, so where is the difference? I've even bought them some cigarettes and a beer and had a few laughs, so why not try that? If they get serious and menacing, DEMAND TO CALL THE CONSULATE. They will usually back down from you without much problem.

By the way, this is another reason you just keep "chump change" in your wallet, so when you open it up and he is looking over your shoulder you can offer him $5 dollars while he can plainly see you only have $10. Keep the wad of hundred dollar bills somewhere else, please.

To finish, I wouldn't tempt fate by not registering. Especially if you have the hobby that sends you to this web site. Don't give them any more ammunition to up the ante on extorting money from your grimy hands.

Michaelgage


[QUOTE]Originally posted by Explorer8939
[i]I am now straying from knowledge into Internet speculation, but it is logical that the visa requirement is that the incoming visitor register their visa within 72 hours of entry into Russia, NOT for the entire stay, since that is physically impossible.

Clearly, the visa laws allow for situations where it is impossible to register one's visa after the initial hotel registration, such as when one is taking the overnight train to Siberia; there are allowable gaps between hotel -registered- stays.

Moreover, the whole visa registration system seems pretty poorly organized. Some hotels seem to register you by writing something on a piece of paper which goes into your passport, and who knows if they ever send that onto to Moscow, and who knows if anyone in Moscow actually does anything with that paperwork. I know people who have gone to Moscow for years, and never bother registering.

End of Internet speculation [/i][/QUOTE]

I still don't understand this registration thing. I plan stay in an apartment. If I just stay one night in a hotel and they register my visa for that single night, will I be OK during the rest of my stay in Moscow? Or do I have to register my visa for the entire period of my stay?

Thanks for all help guys!

MG... Maybe you can clarify some things about visa registration. I think there are actually two steps to visa registration... When I check into a hotel, I receive two stamps on my 12-mo multiple entry visa... The first is for three months, which I think is actually the "registration" and that "registration" is actually given a six-digit registration number. The second stamp is for the hotel and only for that specific period of the stay.

As I understand it, the hotel must "register" your visa for the entire period of the visa PROVIDED that the visa is valid for 3-months or less. Then, each hotel stamps it for the period you stay at THAT hotel. Correct?

Which of the two stamps is the most important? If your visa is "registered" for your entire stay, is it important that the second stamp for the hotel be on the visa? If you go to another city, must you "register" your visa again even though the first hotel registered it for your entire stay?

I understand that the entire visa process is a little confused right now with the new immigration card and the change in government agencies, but I'd appreciate any clarification you can give these two stamps.

Thanks.

Visa Issues:

Please understand that this is how I understand it, and what I have experienced:

First, if your visa is for more than 3 months, I would definately have it registered at an OVIR. Period. It will be done and over and you can do what you want.

Second, if your visa is a tourist visa (30 days) then one registration in a hotel, staying one night, was sufficient to cover me for the entire 30 days, even though I spent the rest of the time at my flat.

Third, if you go to another city, you should also register there -- but the caveat here is if you can get in and out without having your passport checked, what the hell. I've left moscow and come back (2 weeks for one example) and returned without having any additional stamping or registering in my passport. But I didn't stay in a hotel, and wasn't up to the extra hassle. The law says you should, though, so take it into account.

Finally, while registering at an OVIR I was told that they would have to physically take my passport from me, send it in to some office and then it would be returned. I would in the meantime carry around some dumb card saying this was being processed. I was not happy with that idea, so after expressing my hesitation and slipping the woman a $20 she suddenly remembered that she could do it in house, and I went on my way.

This is the Russia I have come to love!

Michael

**Visa Discussion**

Since we are on the subject, I thought I would ask about what just happened to me in Moscow. My Visa expired the day before I left. I had purchased a 2 week visa and the dates of arrival and departure were listed for only a 10 day period. When I went to leave the country they gave me a hard time at the airport about it being expired and told me they would see if the Russian Consulate could take care of it for me for $90. They proceeded to tell me that every case was different and up to the consulate attendant to approve or not. I then asked if it was safe to assume that if the attendant was in a bad mood I wouldn't be going anywhere? One of the guards then just shrugged his shoulders and walked away. Long story Short, they made me wait 1 hour (cutting it close to catching my plane) and then brought me back $20 with a reciept for $70 for a 1 day extension so I could leave. They said it was the law, however it all seemed to be a little fishy (as did most encounters during my visit).

Any thoughts from the Vets on here would be appreciated.

On a subject of Visa registration.
Go to any (not fancy) hotel.Slip them 10-20 and get it registered for the whole duration of your stay as if you were living in that hotel.
You have to have all dates covered in registration. So when your passport checked by police they see that you staying from-till at such and such hotel... In all other cases prepeare to haggle with them over bribe sum.
If you rent apartment from legitimate Real Estate dealer get him to register your visa.
It is stupid really:) the whole system designed to prevent influx of people with no jobs and no places to stay (read Bums). But just like anything in russia it is used by authorities to extort money from regular people.

Glad to see everybody is having fun with the registration thing, Moscow police's second most popular source of extra income, lagging just behind the ever popular random stopping of cars...

...actually the new Moscow police chief supposedly put out a memo stating that the milizia is no longer allowed to randomly stop anybody without a reason... will wait and see what kind of effect this has... :)

...my recent trip to Moscow didn't go quite as planned, I had hoped to spend my nights mongering but instead was more or less saddled with my Russian girlfriend... am not complaining, because she is fantastic and I ended up saving a lot of money, but still I always feel like I am missing out when I am reduced to "just" one girl... Moscow will drive the libido-powered man slowly but surely mad.

But I didn't strike out entirely. On Wednesday, for lack of anything better to do, I went to Doug and Marty's Boar House. I expected it to be slow on a Wednesday night, but the place was packed. The girls were a'plenty, and ranged in quality from 5-8. Anything above 6 is ok with me, and a Moscow 6 is easily an 8 most anywhere else in the world with possible exceptions like Brazil.

Anyway, I was seriously on the prowl and had cash in hand. I had budgeted in $70-100, but was going for a freebie if I could get it. When I went in I was nearly knocked over by the amount of girls there. The place was packed with expat businessmen, mostly English, American and German, as well as a lot of caucasian (Georgian, Armeinian etc.) guys, who for whatever reason seem to hang out at places that cater to Western guys. I don't know if they are somehow pimping, or if maybe they are also just looking for action. Anybody got the lowdown on this?

There were lots of young girls, probably 18-21 years old and quite a few older ones in the 25-35 range. Contact was fairly easy, although curiously enough the first 3 girls I met were from Sweden, the Czech Republic and Poland. An hour and 3 mobile numbers later I met a Russian woman named Irina, who was seemingly in her mid-thirties. She was obviously interested and was average looking (about a 6 sober), with that typical mousy Slavic face, pale skin, blue eyes and blonde hair....and she was tall, even taller than me with long slender legs. And like most girls from Russia, she had a great body. Although I was initially interested in a younger girl, I became fascinated by the idea of nailing a woman older than me (I am 32) and at some point I simply told her I was going home and she was coming with me. She agreed. On the way out three girls who were obviously eyeing me for some time came running up to me asking me to stay... I was tempted, but decided to stick with my choice...maybe I was crazy, but I wanted to try out the older woman, as she didn't cost anything and I was very curious.

Back at my pad, we sat on the couch and began to talk. After about 2 minutes I was bored with the conversation and, having been inspired by some of the stories in this forum about brashness paying off, I simply stood up in front of her and whipped it out, stuffing my johnson in her face. Without hestitating she lustily grabbed it and went to work. I'll spare you the self-promoting graphic details, but I was quite aggresive with her and very forward about my demands. She did everything and loved it, we scrogged like rabbits all night and in the morining she begged me to call her again next time I am in Moscow. I won't, but not because I didn't really enjoy it...the sex was great...but there is just too much other action to be had there. :)

Anyway, I guess the point is that Doug and Marty's is still my favorite choice for easy access to working girls and easy girls alike. Not EVERY girl there is on the take, but most are somehow looking for some action. Quality isn't super high, but solid 5-8. In my experience the 9-10 category is super expensive anyway, whether or not you pay for it up front or in the form of gifts etc. It just goes against my principles to pay more than $150...so I won't. $150 would definitely get you any girl in Doug and Marty's, you should be able to go for a lot less, from $70-100.

I'll definitely check it out again.

MG... I understand it the same way you do, but I still don't understand the second stamp at the hotel.

Lurking... it's always a good idea to get your visa for longer than you expect to stay. Before I had my 12 mo. visa, I would book a hotel and get an invitation letter for several days longer than I thought I would stay. Then, after getting the letter, I'd shorten my hotel reservation to the actual time required.

Monster... you're right that's definitely an easy way to make it happen. However, as I understand it, if you are at an apartment, the apartment OWNER not the agent has to submit the letter. This makes it more difficult because alot of agents represent absentee owners, sometimes out of country.

Skank, MD... It's nice to have your confirmation that CF is upgrading. My friend has told me that the past couple of weeks at CF have been great during the week. However, he said the Ho's aren't allowed in until midnight or 0030 and it was still rockin' big time at 0230.

I saw the same article about the "new" direction the militia has rec'd, but another friend said they are still staking out the other side of the street from CF. I think it's too much of a profit center for the militia to just stop it.

doctor_skank -

Your comment about a lot of Georgians, Armenians, etc. hanging out at many of the Westerner places - I don't have a definitive answer, but this is an idea. A RW I saw in St. Petes last summer and then over the New Year seemed concerned at one point that I thought less of her because she had dark hair and eyes and a little less of a white skin. I finally understood that she has been viewed as being from the south of Russia and maybe as having some Chechen or Armenian (or some other) blood in her.
When I explained to her that this is a Russian thing and that I hadn't even thought about it, she smiled and felt relieved.
Also, the nice Russian lady from whom I rented my apartment in St. Petes invited me back with the comment that she would never rent her place to Chechens.
I think there is some real prejudice that many Russians have for the people that come from the southern areas and have darker appearances. I don't know if this explains why more southern types might seem to hang-out at Westerner places, but it is just a thought.
Anybody with more experience have a better idea?

jak... maybe they just like the same girls we do? However, there's no question that many Russians are prejudiced against people with dark skin! OTOH, you still see a lot of blacks in CF that do quite well with the ladies!

I mentioned the fact that there were really a large number of "caucasians" in CF because I have noticed this phenomenon before at those places that cater to a Western crowd, like CF or Karma Bar or even Marstalls in St.Pete. My gut feeling was that they were there just to have fun and maybe pick up on the women. Although I expected them to dislike Americans, I personally have always gotten along really well with Christian caucasians like Armenians and Georgians and never had any problems with Muslim caucasians, but most "normal" women I have known say they wouldn't touch them or are afraid of them... for many Russians they are all "Chechen terrorists" or criminals.

Seems to me that many Russian men are jealous of them, since a lot of them are successful businessmen (don't ask what kind of business) have a lot of money, cool cars and leggy blonde girlfriends.

I have had two working girls from Georgia and one Chechen and they were all really fantastic, actually more fiery and passionate in bed then many Slavic or Nordic Russian ladies....so my prejudices towards their women at least is very positive... but I'll be careful not to hit on somebody's girlfriend!

If the guys you are referring to at Marstall sit in the booths on the back left hand side of the bar, then I have always assumed that they were the girls 'Managers'. Whenever you pull one of the regulars they have to say 'goodbye to a friend', the friend is usually sitting in one of those three booths...

OTOH I may be a cynical old bugger!

dusty_bin,

I think it was you who gave a really good report a few months back about Marstall's and who was running the action there. It is in the St.Pete forum a couple of months back for anybody interested in the behind the scenes scene. Frankly speaking, I really don't care if the girls have pimps or not, just as long as the prices are reasonable and she gets some of the take.

If she's a freelancer and gets all the take, then more power to her, but I haven't really noticed any direct correlation on performance in reference to freelance vs. pimped or expensive vs. cheap... seems to me that good judgement in selection, general chemistry and some luck determine how successful and enjoyable the pull is.

So keep on being cynical... :)

I do enjoy my naive bliss... :)

Hi all,

A lot about the visa registration thanks for the infos. How about the health insurance? I heard that is also a must to have a papier who show that you have a health insurance. Is it true?

Thanks
Swissman

You are required to have health insurance and actually you need the health insurance paper to get your visa. However once you have your visa you won't be asked to show it to anyone, but it would seem sensible to carry this info with you regardless, just in case you ever need it for a real emergency. I've never been asked to show any paper that proves I have insurance besides during visa application. The militia in Russia doesn't ask for it to my knowledge and neither does customs during entry.

Check if your insurance covers you in Russia and if not get a policy that supplements your normal insurance and covers you abroad (good idea anyway). These policies generally do not cost much, I think I pay about 20 € for a whole year.

doctor_skank,

I have a health insurance but no spez papier to show... So thanks for the info.

A ohter question,
is it rigght that the Doug & Marty's Boarhouse is the same as the Chesterfild? And where i is the Bar located..i have the adress but no idee where is it.

And a last call
Is really nobody form you in Moscow form April 26 .... ? who likte to drink a beer or hunting togehter?

Take care
Swissman

Chesterfields and Doug and Marty's Boarhouse are the same place.

It is really easy to find. It is on Zemlyanoi Val, house 26. It is right across the street from Kurskaya (green line) metro station in the eastern part of the city.

Actually, its not that easy to find *anyplace* in Moscow, even if you have the address. I left the Metro station and walked up and down the main street until it dawned on the me to look across the street at that little trailer looking building.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by doctor_skank
[i]Chesterfields and Doug and Marty's Boarhouse are the same place. It is really easy to find. It is on Zemlyanoi Val, house 26. It is right across the street from Kurskaya (green line) metro station in the eastern part of the city. [/i][/QUOTE]

Explorer, you know your way around, and even at that Moscow can be a challenge... but I really think CF/D&MB is one of the easier places to find for newcomers to Moscow, much easier than a lot of the clubs and other bars. If nothing else, the newcomer can have a taxi take him there. The official taxis will know of it for sure, as will many unofficial "gypsy" taxis. Otherwise, if you are up to taking the metro, it is a really easy trip to Kurskaya, get out of the station, cross the street hang a left, walk a few meters down the street and it will be on your right hand side. It is number 26, the metro station is number 29. If you can't read any Russian and are in Moscow for the first time, than the metro can be a challenge and maybe a taxi is best. A taxi from the center to CF shouldn't cost more than 150 rubles max, you could probably get there for 50-100. I don't take the metro to save money, it is often just much faster than a taxi.

I was in Moscow for one week and stayed at Marriot Tverskaya. Yhe Metro is easy if you could read russian affabet, otherwise you are doomed. Most of the taxi drivers don't speak a word in english, but when I met some guys could speak english I got the phone nummer and I called them every time I wanted taxi. I paid 150 rubles from my hotel to Doug and marty. There was no action until 1 AM. Then there were lot of girls after that. The girls asked for 20 USD for the night but they agreed 150 without any discussion.

I visited some other places like Hungry duck, Night flight and Garage. I will write a detailed report later!

Swissman,

marriott tverskaya is a really nice hotel with really nice rooms... not super luxury, but very pleasant. Only problem with Marriott Tverskaya is that it is not within reasaonable walking distance to the center, and that to get a taxi you have to cross the street, or rather walk through one of the underground passages to the other side... walking across Tverskaya can be done... but is not for the faint-hearted and is nearly suicidal. But that is all minor... it is a hotel that can be recommended.

You can bring girls back, I even brought back 2 once, they will just have to register at the desk if security stops them, which they probably will. There are occassionally girls in the bar, I imagine they want $250+... for that price you might as well go to Night Flight and have more fun. Or even go to CF and take home two...

Jes007...looking forward to info on HD and Garage, havent been to either in a while. You are right about CF, the girls start showing up quite late, I think it is house policy. Last time I arrived about 12, and there were girls lined up to get in that weren't allowed in yet which all ended up showing up later.

Guys,

I took me quite some time to go through the whole bulk of posts available here but I have to say it was really worth it! I have never visited Moscow but thanks to you, I already have a taste of it and it seems it is definitely worth giving a try. Thank you all. My first visit will take place between the 23rd and the 27th of April, for just one single business meeting of about 4 hours ? after this I'll definitely deserve some fun.

My HQ will be the Marriot as it seems to be quite friendly with guests. I still have an unanswered question: I am never against getting laid with a beautiful lady but I have another hobby, which is photography. I like picking-up girls and taking pictures of them, especially in hotel rooms. Not porn or even playboy like but more contemporary artistic-like (I quite
often organize exhibitions in my home country). Do you think I may have a chance to find out some willing girls ? professionals or not? And if so, will this be likely to be treated like a special request like anal?

I would say the main issue is that English excepted, I can only speak
French (and Dutch but I doubt this may help).

Any advise would be more than welcome.

I promise I'll post something (if something interesting happens) after my stay.

BR,

Finally I have some time to report. My first day, I was at Doug & Marty's. I went early there and there was no action. I was watching soccer game on TV while drinking a guiness. The action started around 00.30 AM. Lot of girls, all from 6 to 9. This was a Sunday. The girls here didn’t approch me. I was interested in one of the three girls sitting and talking with a Russian guy. Two of them were 9 and the last one was 7. I thought there were regular girls and didn't try to talk to them. Accidently I talked with the guy sitting with the girls in the bar. His name was Sergei and spoke good English. He told me that almost all the girls there were working girls and the place was a bordello. He invited me to sit with them. Only one girl could speak little bit English. Finally after 1.5 hours of champagne drinking I asked the girl Liana, the busty (4-5) blond, to come to my hotel. She asked for 200 but agreed 150 without further discussion. The strange thing was all the foriegn guys I met at the bar or WC asked about her and asked I dont mind they sat with us. I smiled and told them that I was on my way back to hotel with her and said try tomorrow.

I took her back to Marriot Tverskaya, the only question the security guys asked was my room number. She was good in bed and gave me bbbj, but not allowed any photo. She went home around 6 AM. She told me she works at Metzelitza or some thing too.

The second day I wanted to try the new places. First I went to Cabana, the place was described in www.exile.ru. The time was 23.30 and there was 5 people. Then I took a taxi to Hungry Duck. The entrance was 100 rubles. Went in lot of people dancing on the bar and some crazy girls were all over me. Most of the girls were 4-6. But I didn't like the place. I had a gin & tonic and talked with some russian guy. Then I went to D&M's. It was around 2 AM. I met alle the girls from sunday and chatted little bit with Sergei. He was very helpful, he recomended me nice restaurants and club. Two girls catched my attention. But I choosed a petite brunette and took her back to hotel. Her name was Irena and was a student from Arkangelsk. Every thing was with condom and she didn’t want to kiss. After tem minutes she was moaning kiss me. She was with me for two hours and had nice time. Both Liana and Irena gave me cell phone numbers.

Tuesday I went to Night flight. It was a little bit different, very much like classy clubs in NY or Europe. This was my first time in Moscow and I was trilled. The entrance was 650 rubles or 20usd. The drinks from 200 rubles. I’m from Norway and compared to Norwegian prices it’s still cheap for me. Most of the girls tried to talk with me. All the girls are 8-10. The girls could speak ok English. They told me the price was 200 usd without asking. I tried eye contact so I can have more time to decide. I had couple of gin & tonics and chatted with the other guys. Then with the manager and the chef. Very nice guys from Sweden. They all adviced me to take the time and relax. I was on a business trip and was stressed. Finally one petite girl with dark hair with a black sweater, 8. She spoke fluent English. I went back to hotel with her and before we left she told me that she will be with me all night. Back at hotel we had good sex, every thing with condom and no kiss. I was a little bit disappointed. Then she told me she could not sleep at the hotel because of the make up etc. Then I told her leave. She told me she liked me any way and gave her cell phone number?

Wednesday I wanted to go back to Nightflight. I was there around 23.30 and almost all the same girls were there. All the girls wanted to talk to me again. One of the german guys and her girl told me this was because I was probably the youngest guy there (29), no Brad Pitt but fairly good looking and I always wear Hugo Boss clothes. The girls mention also my watch and a Cartier ring I wear. These girls notice every thing. After a while I started chatting with a girl name Maria 23 yrs old but looked like 19/20. Probably she was the only one who didn’t approached me, I will give her 9.5. We had couple of drinks and she asked me 200 usd. We went back to hotel. She was with me for 2 hours and wanted to go back home because she had to go to university 8 in the morning. Every thing was with condom and she kissed me. I have never been with a so beautiful girl. She told me she had a Mercedes S500 driving boy friend in St.Petersburg and he was a mafia guy. She also told me she was studying management and work this way to finance her shopping and expensive habits. She is not going to do this when she find other job. Both of us were interested in meeting and then we agrred to meet next day.

She called me around 5 PM, she showed me around in Moscow, had dinner in Café Pushka (next door to Garage). We had nice time and then we went to Garage with one of her girlfriend. The girl friend didn’t know that she work at Night flight. They security guys told us that it was a member club. They couldn’t speak English and were really big. I laughed and said pooh! and was about to go. The security guys laughed and let us get in. They told me they allow only members in Fridays and Saturdays. Nothing special about the club. Usual euro thechno/house music but georgious girls, Normal girls. Later at night I met lot of girls from Night flight, but I don’t know ant thing about the pick up scene. I didn’t care because I wanted to spend my time with Maria.

My only advice is take your time at night flight, don’t go with the first girl. You have enough to choose. One girl told me she was virgin and I laughed. Then she smiled and told me that there are so few men and so many girls at night flight and she is going to be a virgin forever.

I tried also to call many girls from www.dosug.nu, if you don’t speak Russian so forget it. Other wise you can find a taxi driver who speak English to drive you to the addresses. Why bother when you can find the girls at D&M’s or NF. What you see is what you get. I didn’t ask about anal sex so I don’t know.

Staff at Marriot Tvetrskaya were very friendly. Specially the security guys. One evening I asked one of these guys to let Maria in. He actually followed her to my room personally. These guys smiled to me in a strange way when I came to the hotel with Liana, the busty blond.

I hope you guys have nice time in Moscow.

Captive Viewer

I have just recently returned from Moscow and St. Petersburg, and I do not think you will have any problems getting girls to pose for you. They are quite willing to do just about anything. I would think that (at least the girls I ran into) would welcome posing for the camera.

Also, regarding speaking other languages. English will not get you very far, however the russian population learns several languages in school. Dutch and French are on that list for the curriculum. I think you will get along just fine without any real problems. You are more set than I was when I went over and I had a great time. Just do not walk the streets by yourself at late hours. Mafia is everywhere and generally harmless, however the police will hassle you the most. Just be smart, take cabs at late hours, keep your papers with you (securely) and do not carry ALL your cash on you. Just like in any big city.

Have fun - and Happy hunting

To jes007,

Great report jes! congratilation is really helpful.

About the age and the clothes. The interesst was more on the Hugo Boss clothes and on your watch and not on your age or on your looke. I guess they saw only $$$ on you. But maby i'm wrong, i can tell you after my Tripp, because im 30 and also normal good looking...but i don't have a Hugo Boss suit.

I hope they let me in to the NF whit normal clothes?


doctor_skank,
Thank you for the update on the Marriott Hotel, sounds good!


Take care
Swissman

To Swissman,

I don't think it's a problem to get in to night flight as long as your clothing are ok. I don't wear Hugo Boss suits all the time either. The security and the manager was great. They have really nice food too!

Enjoy your trip!

Jes007,

Yeah boooy...sounds like you had a really great time in Moscow! Thanks for the report, was really interesting. And congratulations on your good time, it is not everyday that you get a personal Moscow tour from a NF girl! Did I understand correctly that some of the off duty NF girls showed up at Garazh? Might be a good place to get some action. I would call it freebie action, but seldom is even freebie action truly free :)

My comments/observations, any feedback from the other guys would be appreciated:

$150 seems quite high for D&M/CF, but for top quality broads this might be the going price, especially on busy nights. I've never paid more than $100 there. Do prices go up or down in summer, or is there no seasonal correlation?

$200 as opening price for Night Flight is lower than it was a few weeks ago, where $300 was opening price and $250 was realistic. Have prices gone down there, maybe a new club policy?

Kissing:
In my opinion, at those prices all girls should kiss and kiss passionately, if they won't, make them. In a nice way. :) I've only had one that wouldn't, and curiously enough she was one of the ugliest I've ever had. Seems to me that Russian girls, working or normal, really love to kiss. And kissing is an essential part of the experience for me.

Condom:
BBBJ is pretty common, I think this is the only kind I've had while in Russia...never had anybody try to put on a condom. Actual sex always with condom, which is the way I do it anyway. Just a rule that one should stick to.

Night Flight:
The place does have a great restaurant and a really friendly helpful staff and if you go to the restaurant you don't have to pay the $20 entrance fee...so even though the prices are high in the restaurant, it balances out. And the food is great. Even though the prices for girls at NF are higher than many other places, Night Flight is a must see if you haven't been there yet. The girls rock in the looks department... but many also very professional in the negative sense. Some NF girls will show up at D&M/CF late at night. The girls get around.

Swissman: Dress code at NF is "classy", but you don't have to wear a suit. Just dress nice. This is pretty much a rule everywhere in Russia, it is definitely a class society and you want to show everybody which class you are in. If you dress down, dress "cool" down. That works too...but it still should look expensive!

Russian girls and designer goods:
Designer goods of any type are the Russian girls favorite aphrodisiac... they can't get enough of it. They are actually really superficial in that aspect compared to other girls around the world, but if you play your cards right you can use this to your advantage. The best are things that are labeled, like a Boss shirt, an expensive watch or a D&G belt or something like that. Coming from the West, you cannot convince a Russian girl that you aren't rich...and if you moan about money to them, you will be considered a loser and your sex appeal will plummet.

Money = Power = Sex : fact of life in Russia (and most other places too, but in Russia it is blatant)

There are exceptions to this of course and I know a lot of really wonderful Russian non-superficial girls... but you likely won't meet them at pick up bars and clubs! I say, go with it and use whatever advantages you have, money or otherwise, to get some play...

Oops, I've written too much...on a tirade again! Sorry!

JES007, very nice report!

Couple of comments, Skank, MD, is correct. If you're going to NF anyway, you may as well have dinner there. If you choose to (and don't get carried away!) you can eat something for basically the cost of the normal cover charge. Plus, you get to watch all of the girls go in and out of the WC as you snack.

I've found that the action at NF starts MUCH earlier than at CF(D&M Boarhouse). The NF girls will arrive at 11:00 (2300) or so during the week. The weekend is supposed to be less active at NF. There is absolutely no reason to go to CF before 2400 or 0030 because they don't let the ho's in until then. Plus, Friday and Saturday nights are very crowded with regular Russians and even at 0030 it'll still be packed with regular RU girls... be very careful that you're not hitting on some drunk RU guy's girl or you may feel the wrath of his anger and get to meet the CF bouncers up close and personal. A lot of the regular RU girls will clear out before 0100 so they can catch the Metro... otherwise, they'll probably be there all night and are fair game after 0100, but I'd play them as regular girls first without offering $$$ and then let them tell you that they have a "sick sister" or not!

I also have never paid more than $100 at CF, except for two sisters for a double session and it was worth every extra farthing! My experience at NF is that they start at $300+ and drop to $200 fairly easily. I have a friend that goes there a lot and says on some of the slow nights they'll go to $150, but YMMV.

Doc, is exactly right, dress classy everywhere you go... the big exception is CF. You can wear anything there and get away with it. The girls won't care one way or the other.

I've stayed at all of the Marriotts and the Tverskaya is very nice, but on the bottom of the three for quality and location. If you're going to CF, there is no need to cross Tverskaya in the underground passage to get a car. You stop one in front of the hotel going North and then he'll turn right in a couple of blocks to take the Garden (I think) Ring road directly to Metro Kurskaya. CF/Boarhouse is directly across the street from the Metro and the new shopping mall, The Atrium (pronounced AH tri um). For the Metro from the Marriott Tverskaya, walk north to the big square and the Metro Belorusskaya is catty-corner across the square in the big ornate building.

Two good clubs are near the Tverskaya/Metro Belorusskaya, Dirty Dancing and Voodoo Lounge. In addition, the lap dance club, Platinum, is very close.

Another good spot around the NF, Garage, Cafe Pushkin, Pushkin Square area is the Pyramid. Nice place for a cup of coffee and to watch the girls. Most are regular girls, but some working girls stop in there early before heading to the clubs. In the summer, they have a outdoor seating and the views of the talent are spectacular!

I have two suggestions for new visitors to Moscow. 1. Learn the Cryillic alphabet because not all of the street signs have the Romanized name AND some of the clubs names are not in English or Romanized letters. 2. Pick up a map of Moscow in the Cyrillic alphabet to use in conjunction with your tourist map with Roman alphabet. There's a big bookstore just North of Red Square on Tverskaya and they sell nice maps for 32 Rubles ($1)

CA traveller

I agree with you about NF. The dinner prices at very low compared to the other good restaurants. And the swedish chef Leander makes great food. I didn't have my dinner there because I had my dinner with my collegues.

Last thing I wanted is to get in trouble with the security guys, but most of the guys seemed friendly.

I will be back in Russia soon!

Night Flight:

The restaurant can be recommended but "very low" the prices aren't...$7 (210 rubles) for a Corona is pricey even by Moscow standards and any main course will run $25-30. The "special" costs $23 (700 rubles). Portions are relatively small. So I would say the prices are average for upper class eating, in the "Scandanavia" or "Uley" range. The menu is also quite limited in range, but the food is excellent. A lot of fish meals, but also delicacies like reindeer steak. I think they said they fly in the ingredients from Sweden, like "Scandanavia" does as well.

So if you are going to NF anyway to monger, save the $20 entrance fee by dining there first...you won't go wrong. Or if you want to check out NF and have to eat anyway, why not go to the retaurant and check out what NF has to offer?

This is a message to all the "foreigners" who come to Moscow just for a short time and hang out at Chesterfields/Boar House. The maximum price you pay for ANY girl here is $100 for the night !!! This is the standard rate and ALL girls will accept this. You idiots are driving up the price. I have been in Moscow for many years but recently mediocre looking *****s are asking for $150 or even $200 for the night - I kept looking around to see if I was mistakenly in Night Flight !!!

In most other western countries I know you pay a lot more. But lets keep the prices down here In Moscow there are thousands of good looking *****s so no need to fuck the first one you pick. If any chick asks for more than $100 and is insistent, just say no politely and walk away - trust me she will back. $100 for a night is better than nothing. Ok, enough warning.

Some other info about working girls :

1. NF - all *****s here are 9 or 10. Try to bargain them down to $200 for the night. Don't let them fool you when they say they have to leave early or can only stay a few hours - pick someone else. The drinks at the bar are very expensive, so this is not the place to relax and take your time - decide which girl you want, negotiate and leave. You can easily run up a drinks bill of $100 in less than an hour.

2. Safari Lodge - interesting place. Downstairs (500 Roubles cover charge) - Strippers/Lapdancers cost 100 Roubles a song. Most of them very pretty but they don't do sex. The other girls who don't dance are available for sex (but they are very ordinary) - they have rooms downstairs - cost between $70 - $100 for 1 hour. I don't see the point as for that price you can get a chick at the Boarhouse and fuck her all night.

3. Internet site - dosug.nu - need to speak Russian though. Very reliable, safe and the girls are the actual ones you see on the internet. You may be lucky if you phone and someone may speak English. Prices vary $50 an hour to $300 a night. But here you get what you pay for.

4. Tochka's - best value for money and good fun. Just ask any taxi driver for a "dyevushka" - means young lady. You will need to give the taxi driver another 100-200 Roubles extra and he will take you to a few tochka's so that you can see the ladies. When you drive up the mamochka will say $70, $100 or $150 - don't bother with the $70 unless you are drunk and your vision is blinded or you are on a tight buget. Generally the $100 girls are fine. Pick one, make sure they come to the car so that you can see them upclose. Pay the mamochka and off you go. $100 is generally for the night - the girls usually have to be back at "home" at about 8:00am, so even if you pick them up at 3am or 4am they still have to leave your place at 8:00am - so the earlir you go the better.

Ok, enough for now. If anyone has any questions, please ask.

[blue]I know exactly how you feel. I live in Buenos Aires, and the same thing is happening here with Americans driving the price up by bidding against themselves.

Jackson[/blue]

My frist visit in Moscow a short report about...

I have only one world about the girls there unbelievable!

Marriott Tverskaja
Very nice Hotel wiht a good restaurand too (grazi who serves italian food). There was no problem to bring a girl in to the Hotel. Nobody was asking us, we just walked in. In the Morning the girls was askin that i should companion her to the exit. I dont know why.A bad thing on the Hotel is the prices 250$ per night. When you are on a Businesstripp is it ok....but ohterwise it's hurts.

My plan was to go to NF and Chesterfield. But i was on the first evening in the NF and i was i saw there was unbelievable, so i make the decision to go only to the NF because i had only 3 nights in Moscow after then i was traveling whit the supplier to Vladivostok.

NF
Cool Club in Western Style. The first evening i was there only in Bluejeans, shirt and a leahter jacket. The security guy was stoping me and was asking something in russian. I told him, english please. And he said oh sorry...please go in. So from this side was no problem to go in, ok i was the only one in bluejeans.
But it seems the girls dont matter this. I was walking to the bar to get a beer and a girl was start chatting whit me before i gad my beer. If you go to NF the girls know that you wanna pay her for sex so dont warry about designer goods..
I had just one problem in the NF, they are so many girls how you choose a girl? I mean i had some problems to say a girl who was starting chatting whit me that i dont want her... and she left....the next girl was starting chatting....i like more to choose be my self...
The Manager of the club are very friendly i was chatting whit one off it, i guess his name was licker or so.

Action whit NF-Girls
I had 3 girls from there. Every girls was doing a nice bj wiht out condom the rest was whit condom. Is ok for me i dont make it whit out. Analsex was only whit one of the girls possible. Finally everting was great. The Girls was 3-4 hours whit me. And one funy thing was happen whit one girl.

Line ups
I never was looking for it, but i saw some "singlegirls" in the evening who was looking for customers on the Tverskaja street. I was asking one Girl, and the only word in english she was know was 100$. So i decision to walk away...

Vladiwostok
Sorry no info about i was all the time whit the supllier.....i have no idea about action there

Greetings
Swissman

*I hope to be back soon*

Swissman... the Marriotts make you escort the girls down because they want to make sure that you are still breathing and no lying up in your room in a pool of blood!

Glad you had a good time... it's always interesting to hear the perspective of a first-time monger to Russia tell about his experiences. The worst thing about Moscow and Russia is that you will never be able to get it out of your mind. At least with me, it soon becomes the standard for judging mongering action around the world! I'm going back next week for three weeks and I can't wait!

Too bad you missed CF/BH... it's a totally different scene compared to NF and a lot of fun.

SM2... Nice report, but I would suggest that you may be missing something if you pass on the $70 lineup girls. Many times, the newbies start in the $70 line because they don't have the confidence to start higher and they want to be sure to be picked. Actually, a couple of my best lineup experiences have been $70. Besides, it doesn't cost anything to look!

CA,

I totally agree about the lineups.... some of the freshest are there, but you have to be picky.

I'm going to be in Moscow starting the 16th till the beginning of June. Email me if you want to have a beer. michaelgage@mail.ru

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler

SM2... Nice report, but I would suggest that you may be missing something if you pass on the $70 lineup girls. Many times, the newbies start in the $70 line because they don't have the confidence to start higher and they want to be sure to be picked. Actually, a couple of my best lineup experiences have been $70. Besides, it doesn't cost anything to look! [/i][/QUOTE]

Well I just came bak from Moscow. I even decided to renew my citizenship to go there without visa:) Yeaa it was that good:)

About some places:
CF: If you associate yourself with middle aged, overweight ,bolding man with no taste .,go there. You would feel right at home.
Places reeks of smoke and BO. Public are circus freaks. Girls are average to ugly at best. Ridiculous.
I stopped there twice just to make sure and on both nights same scene old guys drink fucking Guinness. Well pretty much that is how they spend time in US ...If you ok looking ,speak a little Russian or just have allergy to Irish pubs stay the hell away from that place It is DUMP.
On second thought it is actually good that all those characters hang at CF. Makes my chances running into them at nice places slim to none.

NF Good place to chill and watch girls.Take one home if you like. But don’t listen to horny Americans who say that girls there are 9-10... Bull Shit. You won’t see any 9s there let alone 10s
But overall ***** quality is not bad considered that they ask 200-300 for a night.

If you speak Russian go to clubs in down town that don’t have cover charge . That is where you find nice student-chicks. Who will bed you right away and for free. Girls are aggressive have no one to fuck with(no one decent looking) therefore will jump on opportunity to sleep with nice guy right away. Russian women are very straight forward about sex, they think like man. If they like you they will fuck you.

Personaly I had girl from out of town come to Moscow by train (6 hours one way) with her girlfriends just so they can have fun with us in Moscow. They were some sort of dancers or strippers. I was amazed by that...
Girls would go to such a lenghts to get laid....Unfukingbeliveable.
God bless mother russia especially ugly and drunk male population. Lack of decent men created unbeliveable situation in which any decent guy would feel like a Rock Star.
Happy Hunting.

mohctep:

I am heading to Moscow very soon. I am into the clubbing scene and prefer picking up regular girls to *****s. Last/first time I was in Moscow I checked out Voodoo, Karma Bar and Hungry Duck and occasionally got laid for free, but I had to really chat up the ladies. These clubs have hefty covers in terms of Moscow scale unlike those you've been to. They are decent, but girls are not throwing themselves at you. To put things into perspective, I'm young, realtively good looking, in good shape and can easily connect with ladies. Could you recommend a few places that you liked in this last trip of yours? I think I need you to direct me to right venues...

mohctep,

Thanks for your persepective. If you can recommend any no-cover clubs (like Dirty Dancing or whatever), I'd appreciate it. Also if there is any particularly good place for weekdays, like Wed and Thurs in particular, that would really help. I agree that no-cover places are the best for picking up normal Russian girls... they are still impressed by Western guys there. :) Upscale clubs are more difficult.

Have to differ on your opinion of CF though.

CF really isn't that awful. It certainly isn't upscale in any way, but for first time and occassional travellers it is a good easy access way to find affordable professional pussy. Things like tochka or telephone services are intimidating for non-Russian speakers on there first trips to Moscow, and CF offers a good alternative. Quality is defintely hit and miss. I was disappointed a year ago at the available quality and stopped going for awhile, but my last two trips were great, and also got an effortless freebie there. I'll agree though that it isn't a "cool" club for young Russians to go to and "normal" Russian girls (where the best quality can be found) usually won't go there... and limiting yourself to CF and NF won't give you a real idea of what Russian girls are... these places are both strictly pick up joints for expats. Quality in my opinion ranges from 5-8 depending on night an luck.

NF is nice but isn't a real club either...and the prices are too high to make it a real habit place. I also agree with mohcetp that NF rarely feautures a true 9 or 10....but there are a lot of very good 7-8's there and the occassional model quality babe can also be had.

Picking up freebies is easier in Russia than in other places, but it isn't "automatic" in any way...even for expat Russian speakers, and especially for guys going out alone, with only a couple of days time in Russia, work appointments to be met, limited to weekdays (not there on weekends), limited Russian language ability etc...

BTW: I'm a young(ish) guy, good-looking and very capable of picking up women in any country... I've been to several clubs in Moscow with good success...but also went home alone as well sometimes. If I am looking for a sure thing at affordable prices without having to make a real effort...then CF is a decent place to go. If the quality sucks there...as it sometimes does, then get a taxi and go to a lineup.

Hi,

I go back in June to Moscow *yeah a short question are the rules to tanke a girl into the room in the Sheraton Palace Hotel the same as in the Marriott Tverskaja?

I guess i go on the end of June so if anybody there this time we can go for a beer toghter...

Thanks
Swissman

MG... Sent you an email... i'm at californiatraveler@hotmail.com if you don't get it. I'm here until 27 May.

Swissman... my experience at the sheraton is that you must register the girls with the front desk. That's a problem if they don't have papers or a passport. I'd stick to the Marriotts or the Renaissance.

monster... monster... monster... CF is an "Irish" pub?... are you sure you're talking about the same CF that so many people know and love? My experience at CF has been a wide mix of people, both Russians and Ex-pats of every age that you can imagine... All old men drinking Guinness... LOL... I have seen a few brits drinking the dark brew, but I don't recall seeing vast quantities being consumed by anyone. It is true that some of the "regular" girls are a little long in the tooth, but you can't forget that "one person's trash is another person's treasure!" I personally prefer a young girl, but you can't deny that even some young guys like a mature woman. Just like in any situation and at any club, you have to find the one that appeals to you. There have been several knockouts there after 0030 this last week. Of course, I've also noticed that the asking price is slowly creeping up to $150, but at least you can head out to a couple of nearby lineups and have your choice of at least 150 girls for $70, but mostly $100 for the night. Last night, I spent 9 hours with a very innocent looking 18 y.o. In fact, I didn't even have time for my Guinness at CF! :)

Hey fellas,

Am in Moscow tonight (Friday) and am leaving Saturday. If anybody wants to hook up for a beer and some prowling, I'm game.

A report on my previous few days follows....

skank_meister@hotmail.com

Shank, MD... sorry I missed you. Checked my mail, but couldn't get onto WSG. Maybe on your next visit.

sorry i missed you guys, maybe some other time.

i had a great time last week in moscow, both with some freebie action and a couple of professional scores. all in all, it was a wild week for me. here’s my report:

monday night, doug and marty’s:

i arrived monday night, and after checking into my apartment and eating dinner with my biz partners, i was finally able to get out about midnight. even though i had to work the next day, the sultry warm spring air of moscow added to the city’s already vibrant sexual energy, making calling it a night at midnight nearly impossible…anyone who has been there knows what i mean.

i considered getting a taxi and heading to a tochka (line up) for a $70 or $100 choice of girl, but instead elected to go to cf (doug and marty’s) since i felt like a beer and looking at some girls for a while before picking one…. or maybe i could even pull a freebie there, i have before.

i arrived and was pleasantly surprised to find cf hopping with action, lots of expats as usual, as well as russians, caucasians and a good selection of women in the 5-8 range. some of the girls were obvious pros, standing alone or in pairs at the bar facing outward “offering” themselves, others i wasn’t sure on. not every girl in cf is on the take. after playing some pool (and losing a couple of beers to obviously better players who probably do this every night…) i went to the dance floor and danced for awhile, eyeing a couple of potential candidates.

one of them was a hot blonde girl who danced with several other guys but who had noticeably stopped their groping advances when they started getting too aggressive, i figured she was not a working girl, or if she was, didn’t want to spoil her chances with other guys by letting herself get mauled on the dancefloor by a bunch of horny ex-pats and caucasians.

i also spotted a kirgisian or kazakh girl, whose oriental features combined with a hot russian bod to create a lethal combination. she seemed like she was a pro. i thought about making my play for the kirgisan girl, but then i saw a thin waifish blonde who looked very much like a stripper from divas i had spent some time with talking while visiting that strip club sometime ago. when she went to sit down with another girl, i went up to her and started a conversation..or at least tried. she spoke no english and i tried my russian on her. thankfully i am getting better at speaking russian, which has made getting laid in moscow much easier. still, my russian is only passable, but she happily invited me to sit at the table with her and her friend. i asked he if she worked at divas and she didn’t. i think she might have thought i was implying that she was working at cf as a prostitute and was somewhat taken aback or even slightly insulted, but after i bought a round of mineral water (their choice…) we all sat and had good fun talking.

then the blonde girl from the dancefloor came up to the table, it seems that i had sat at the table of her friends. we talked for awhile, and after learning that the waifish girl was married, i concentrated on the blonde “julia” from the dance floor. we had a great time, and i made a point of not groping her, as i had observed her fighting off groping advances from others. i had hoped this would create the opposite effect in her, and she would start groping me…sometimes the female mind is so simple to play. it worked. i grabbed her hand and took her to the dance floor, dancing close but not touching her…just tantalizing her. soon she had her hands all over me and about 3am we piled into a lada taxi (all 4 of us!) and took off. after some heated discussion in the taxi between the 3 girls, i got out at my apartment with julia and we went upstairs.

she was really hot, her face about a 7, her body a tight and sexy 8. she was 19 years old and a passionate lay, she really was into it and moaned and screamed a lot. it was morning by now and then came the surprise…just before sending her off at 7 am (i had to work at 9!!) she said she was married to a guy from the militia who was currently in chechnya (there are police units there as well)…ouch! no wonder her friends were not sure she should come upstairs. it was a great time, but i didn’t ask for her telephone number and she didn’t ask for mine…

tuesday, doug and marty’s, hungry duck, cabana:

shortly after arriving at cf (d&m) around 1 am, i realised i was in the wrong place. unlike monday, in which i saw quite a few of very doable women, today’s selection was meagre, even though the place was full. i drank a beer and left, there seemed to only be women in the 4-6 range and somehow the whole crowd turned me off tonight. a freebie might have been possible, but i didn’t want to waste my time trying to pull one, and the girls weren`t cute enough to pay for.

so i left and went to hungry duck, which is next to the kuznetzky most metro station in sort of a backyard area. the place was about half full, but everybody seemed really wasted. people were dancing on the bar, one guy had unbuttoned his shirt and his fat pasty gut was hanging out… kind of a nasty place if you ask me. the girls ranged from 4-6 in quality, but seemed really kind of standoffish. really not my scene at all. i stayed about half and hour, spoke to 2 really bored girls who seemed like they were quite disinterested and soon my interest waned….time to leave. i wasn't impressed with the place at all.

off to cabana, which is in the same building as the baltschug kempinski. for those who don’t know cabana, it is known as an “african” bar/disco. there are lots of black guys there, both working at the bars and as security and some just hanging out. it was about two-thirds full, not bad for a tuesday night. quite a few women too, but the quality seemed kind of low, about 4-6. the music was good though, and i sat next to the dance floor for awhile, watching some skanky chicks dance…really quite comical, they were atrocious dancers. not a bad place for a tuesday night. it was getting late though and i went out to the bar area away from the dancefloor to check if there was anything going on. then a woman, also somewhat oriental or central asian in appearance, called to me in english asking if i wanted a girl. she was sitting at a table with 3 quite cute girls, each about 7 in quality. we teased around for awhile, she said i could have a girl for $200. i said i would never pay more than $100. she laughed, offering to pay me $500 to sleep with her…she was the mamachka, and claimed to have 100 girls in her “stable”. i stayed tough, and told her that i would absolutely not pay more than $100…ever. just then she introduced me to another girl, nadya. i was instantly in love.

nadya was really cute, with somewhat short white blonde hair, a super tight hot bod (a 9...serious!), medium size tits and a really pretty face with expressive eyes. i was even considering maybe going up to $150, but pokered for $100 and said again that i would never pay more than $100. the mamachka and nadya whispered something to one another and the mamachka said ok, $100. and then the mamachka said “don’t think about it, just do it!” i said “da vai!”. we each had a red bull, i helped her with her coat and we went outside to get a taxi. on the way out her friends said some encouraging words to her, she smiled sheepishly and laughed and we were off…

nadya claimed to be an 18 year old stripper/part time model…and looking at her, i believed her. we talked about some of our common hobbies, photography and music and art…we hit it off really well. i have developed a new strategy to get pictures of girls…i leave my camera on the table and don’t even mention it. sooner or later they get curious and ask about it. i show them the camera and ask them to take a picture of me. they do. i show it to them on the viewfinder (it is a digital camera) and the invariably vain russian girl cannot resist the temptation and soon the photo shoot begins…i got some great pics and could have killed myself for leaving my video camera at home…

turns out nadya and i had the same musical taste (progressive rock) which is pretty rare in russia. most girls like house and techno. i can handle that too, but the musical connection we had really helped our “connection”. we boned all night, she was really tight and fantastic in bed. real sex. i don’t think she has been in the game that long. she seemed to really like the sex, and it felt really real…i completely forgot that it was a business deal…nothing like good hard passionate sex while hard-driving music is in the background…i’m smitten, i’ll see her again, i hope. she promised to write me an e-mail. i gave her the music cd as a present. and 300 rubles for the taxi… she is easily among the top 5 of all girls i have ever had...and competition among my top 5 is fierce... :)

wednesday:

after two night of sex and virtually no sleep i was on the point of physical collapse. i stayed home, i couldn’t have performed anyway.

thursday:

business partners kept me out until nearly 3 am…stayed home that night too. real shame really, even though i had a good time letting strippers turn me on, i would have liked to go out, wednesday and thursday nights are two of the very best nights to go out in moscow....lots of action and not as ridiculously full as friday and saturday

friday: renaissance hotel, doug and marty’s, tochka

having wrapped up my work week successfully, i was looking forward to a good hot friday night. taking mohcept’s recommendation, i had planned to hit the clubs to pick up some student chick, and things started well early. i was sitting at the terrace bar at the renaissance waiting for my partners when i noticed several girls in rock garb hanging around. they were dressed up in that “gothic” style, turns out they were groupies waiting for the finnish rock band “him”. the girls were really ugly…proof that not all russian girls are hot! one was quite cute though. they were giggling, and her friend had secretly taken a picture of me and was showing it to her friends, so i went up to them and asked them what they were doing. they told me there story, and i approached the cute one, masha, asking for her mobile number. we flirted for awhile. i was quite sure that i was going to nail her that night, but turns out that the concert was that night and she wasn’t free. she begged me to meet her on saturday, but i was leaving saturday morning. we smsed a few times that evening, i’ll visit her next time when i’m there beginning of june. she'll be an easy score. a sure thing.

at about 2 am i went to doug and martys, but it was not really that great. a couple of hotties, but somehow i was turned off. was too busy, all the pushing and shoving was getting on my nerves. i went outside and picked up a taxi to go to a tochka. turns out i was in the absolute crappiest lada in all of moscow, smelled of kerosene and motor oil like all ladas do, but was also falling apart, the brakes scraping metal on metal. a real death trap, but quite an adrenalin rush zipping through moscow’s wide thoroughfares at 3 am. the first tochka was on sadovaya-spasskaya. i asked for the $70 dollar girls, they piled out of the minibuses….these girls were atrocious! real skanks…nasty! they seemed to be the leftovers. they were dressed awful, even wearing lycra biker shorts…i wouldn’t have touched these girls for all the vodka in russia…then the $100 girls. not much better. maybe the place was picked over. off to the next one. even less was offered. i said no way and we left.

off to the leninsky prospect. first tochka there i didn’t even bother to ask for the $70 girls and went for the $100 ones.
there was a really cute looking girl, i thought she was uzbeki. i asked for a closer look…yeah, she was fine. $100.
she sat in the back of the car, ducking down to avoid being stopped by the militia. maybe she didn’t have a registration. gave the driver 400 rubles. he had driven me around for almost an hour to a few different places, so i figured the high price was ok.

back at my pad we got to know each other, she spoke no english, so again my russian was tested. her name was rai and it turns out she was from moldavia. she looked kind of latin, like a little spanish princess. she had a really cute face, her body was good, but not great. medium sized tits, but not as much of a hardbody as i’d hoped. she was thin, but not really toned. not as perfect as julia from monday or nadya from tuesday… still, her face was an 8, her body a 7.

then she sprung a surprise on me…it was her 19th birthday. she showed me her id…it was true. we opened up a bottle of champagne i had and celebrated. i felt kind of bad for her having to sleep with a stranger on her birthday, so after finding out she didn’t have a cell phone, i took the sim card out of mine and gave her my nokia. i know it is an expensive gift, but i have 4 of them, so it cost me nothing, but she acted like i had given her a million dollars. somehow made me really happy to see her joy. soon we had my camera out and took some sexy pictures (my camera trick worked again..she asked me to start taking pictures) and again i was angry that i didn’t have my video camera…

soon we were in bed and had sex for a couple of hours, at one point we were going at it so hard that the bed was banging against the wall and a lamp fell off of the table and broke on the floor, we both laughed and continued to bone away. later we played our new game…”plochaya zhena, harrascho milizia”…”bad woman, good militia”.

after an hours rest we screwed again…and then i had to kick her out, my taxi was arriving to take me to the airport and my wild week was over…

…can’t wait to get back!

Doc, it sounds like you had a good week in Moscow! Just so you know... michaelgage and I are holding down the fort for you until you return!

CA Traveller, MichaelGage,

I'm sure you'll do a great job of mixing it up in Moscow...hope this year's crop of new girls is a good one...happy hunting!

BTW: Nadya did send me an e-mail...

Has anybody got any girl recommendation form dosug.nu web page

Doctor thanks for honorable reference to me in your post :))))
By the way you e-mail address does not work...tryed to contact you via e-mail useing
Skank_meister@hotmail.com - is undeliverable.

mohctep,

Yeah, your post did inspire me! :) I'm definitely hitting clubs when I have the chance... but like a lot of biz travellers though, I often don't have much time so I cut to the chase and seek professional action.

My e-mail was broke, my other one works though, doctor_skank@hotmail.com

Any infos about Hotel National available?

Tnx in advance for help

I'm pretty new to this forum but it seems a great source of info. I am in Moscow in a couple of weeks and will check out Night Flight and perhaps some clubs like Platinum/Spearmint Rhino/Rasputin.

I have also seen a club on the web called xclub (x-club.ru), and another site for girls called publichouse.ru. I'm also considering a girl from russianmodelsescort.com, bit expensive, but one or two of them are just stunning. Just wondered if anyone had experience of these places and how do they compare to the girls of NF.

Thanks, nick

What your opinion

-- better for GFE partying
-- Moscow or Buenos Aires ??

I will probably be in Moscow next month for four days to see the tourist sites and meet some girls. I would appreciate answers to a few questions:

1) I can stay at any Marriott regardless of price. Which Marriott/Renaissance is located best for this hobby and sightseeing?

2) Is it safe to walk the main streets of Moscow alone at night?

Thanks for any answers and info for a first time visitor to Moscow.

JimBehr2000,

If price is no problem and it has to be a Marriott, the best Marriott is the Marriott Aurora, which is located only a couple of minutes walk from Red Square and is right in the middle of several streets which offer good shopping (at Moscow prices...) and close to a lot of good restaurants, clubs etc.

The Renaissance is another hotel (not a Marriott) located on Olympisky Prospekt which is a long way away from any action. OK hotel, but not close to anything.

Walking at night in central Moscow is OK, but be aware of the police (militia) who will stop random passers-by and ask to see their passports and visa registration. The Marriott will register your visa when you arrive. Just keep the registration paper with you at all times after that.

Other than that just use common street smarts you would use in any city and you'll be fine.

Guys, why always clubs or street scene? Try SALONS. Some with English lang sites.
For example: [url]www.katenka.ru/english[/url]
Nice girls, some English spoken. The price $50 for an hour. Very central, near metro. On the site you'll find prices, map, photos. Cozy apartment . You'll be pleased with cultural atmosphere and high quality of sex.
There are more such places in Moscow nowadays. Send questions to: [email]n_a_bokov@hotmail.com[/email]

Stay away from that salon in particular total overpriced BS
You cannot make those girls look good with 2 Photoshops

here are another English lang. addresses:
www.mdosug.ru/engwomen.php (for Moscow) and www.interweb.spb.ru/girls
(for St. Petersburg)
Russian prostitution WEB is extremely wide, rich and well organized. Of course all under the Mafia cover and they are not afraid of Legal matters like in USA.

hey guys,

thanks for all the great info. i'll be in moscow for 4 days as part of a tour so it will be difficult for me to take girls back to my hotel.
does anyone know of any really cheap places where you can get a room for a few hours? especially close to the line ups?

also, what is the legal age for sex with girls in russia. i want to try a lineup but i'm a bit worried about getting an **** girl.

any help much appreciated,

aussie max

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Thanks doctor skank for the info. I'll be spending 3-4 days in Moscow as a tourist in mid-June. On your recomendation I chose Marriott Royal which I think is the same hotel as Marriott Aurora. I'm seriously thinking about visiting Club Katenka and if so I'll report. I wonder why these clubs don't send someone to the hotel lobby to pick us up and give us a ride to the Club. Some of these places appear hard to find for a newbie Westerner.

Salons can send the girl to your hotel. And the rest is about Hotel's policy. Salons and hotels are not cooperating. Hotels mostly have their own girls and different mafia divisions. But you can easily take any gipsy car at street and for 1-2 dollars reach your address (it is in the center of the City).
Here is another English speakingSalon:
[url]www.notsh.org/n.asp[/url] and click on English version
their E-Mail address is: [email]escort.2000@hotboz.ru[/email]

balabon38, your information is much appreciated. Feel free to post any others.

jb2000, the Marriott Royal is very nice, but the Marriott Grand is also great. It's close to the Metro and there's normally a lineup right across the street. The Renaissance is part of the Marriott chain and has the same policies, but it is a long way from anything. The Marriott Tverskaya is nice, but not comparable to the Aurora or Grand and it's more isolated from the action and the metro. All are very user-friendly.

You'll have a good trip... the weather is good and the girls are out in force. I've been here for the past three weeks and it has become progressively better. Don't worry any more about cruising around than you would in any big city. In fact, I actually feel safer in Moscow walking late at night than I do in London.

Chicboy... My friend anton888 and I have been having that exact discussion... In his opinion, BA has beautiful women and is a great city, but Moscow is the capital when it comes to fine women. BA doesn't have anything comparable to the Moscow lineups, which must be experienced to believe. You will experience a GFE about 80% of the time with the lineup girls... it is normal to expect them to go for deep kissing, BBBJ, several sessions and will spend the night if you wish. I can only confirm the Moscow experience because I haven't been to BA yet because it's so hard to break away from the Russian girls!

bb38... I've heard many great reports on the salons and apartments.... HOWEVER, most of the internet girls and salons/apartments will not have someone to speak English. So, if you speak Russian or if you have someone to call for you that speaks Russki to get directions to their place or yours... you are in a bind. Also, if you find a Russki speaker... make sure they write down the apartment address to give to the driver or you'll never be able to communicate it.

One last piece of advice... if you are planning on coming this summer and you want an apartment, you'd better be making an apartment reservation soon or you'll be forced into a hotel. My apartment contact has told me that he is booking up fast and he's forced me to commit to my July dates now rather than in mid-June.

Thaks CA traveler. If I had read this post 15 minutes ago I would have switched to the Grand because I really like the idea of a lineup across the street. I just requested a letter for visa from Royal. Do you think I could use that letter (from the Royal) even if I actually switched and stayed at the Grand?

Unfortunately will only have 3 nights-two days or four nights- three days in Moscow. Hopefully I'll be able to go to a lineup even though I'm a first timer and I don't speak a word of Russian.

This is strange but I just noticed I'm stuck on 69 posts no matter how many posts I make. Oh well that's not a bad number.

CA traveler:
What I posted is in English and specifically mentiond that the girls speak English.
Enjoy!

CATraveler,

My apartment is right across Tverskaya opposite the Marriott Grand and I've never seen a lineup there...it would liternally have to be in my backyard...:) ...so where is it? Is it on the same side of the street as the Grand or off of Tverskaya somewhere in a side street?

bb38... sorry I guess I missed that point in my haste to get out of this internet cafe.

jb2000... I doubt you would have a problem changing reservations. All of the Marriotts work out of a central (moscow) reservations. Besides, once you have the letter, you are set. Just call them and ask to be changed to the Grand.

doc shank... I've stayed at the Grand for a total of about 25 nights in the past 15 months and I was also surprised when we went on a "road trip" to check out all of the lineups and the driver began cruising south on Tverskaya and directly across the street from the Grand is a beacon girl directing us to turn right. I can remember if there was another turn or not, but it seems we may have turned left shortly and a very nice lineup was there. I can't guarantee that it's there every night, but it was nice that night. So it sounds like the beacon girl is on the same side of the street as your apartment (east side of Tverskaya). I don't think you'll have a problem finding it. Keep in mind that this last week the lineups in the center were really shut down because, I think, of the P. McCartney show.

There are also several lineups that are pretty close to CF, which makes a nice package going to and from the Tverskaya/Pushkin Sq area to CF.

Doc... are you in Moscow now? I leave tomorrow, but maybe we can have a beer later on Monday night?

CA Traveler,

Thanks for the info, I'll keep a look out for the beacon girl.... :)

Actually I won't be in Moscow until next week....so it looks like we'll have to postpone that beer until another time.

Its interesting that there are so few posts about the Moscow massage parlor scene, easily one of the best in the world. This afternoon, I went to the Siesta Club parlor, which is still a bargain at 1000 rubles. After a hard day at the beach, there is nothing better than to have a hard Russian massage by some 19 year old blonde cheerleader, followed by a soft massage.

I will be back in Moscow in early July. In previous visits I have attempted to find the Hungry Duck, I have never managed too, although I saw from Doctor Skanks earlier e-mail, where it was located, roughly.

Can anyone provide the Hungr Ducks address, in cyrillic text, please? It's easier that way to show to a taxi driver.

Whenever we've been in Moscow, previously, and that's fairly often, maybe 3 or 4 times per year, we've always tried some reconaissence work, either looking for gifted amateurs, or somewhere like Doug and Martys, though have never been satisfied with the quality of girls available at such places, so always seem to end up back at night flight, where there is always quality available, though at higher costs than such as d & m.
the going rate at n f is $200 never paid less, though have, when really found somebody worth it, paid more.

You know the saying, you've tried the rest, now try the best? Also note that a lot of the guys seem to be staying at the central hotels, whereas I've found that you can rent apartments for much less per night than taking a room at the Marriott.

The sort of place that I rent is in the Deutschebank building, so it's new, modern, Westernised, etc, and far more appealing than a hotel room.

When you've got a hot siberian girl in need of a good seeing to. If you pay in advance, for me it's in the UK, then you also save on paying many of the local taxes, so it's well worth doing.

I look forward to hearing from anyone with Hungry Duck address, in Cyrillic, like I said above.

Cheers,
winlos

[size=-2][u]EDITOR's NOTE[/u]: [blue]I took a few minutes to revise the capitalization and punctuation in this report. However, I would very much appreciate it if everyone could refrain from using the "chat room" style of writing with no caps or punctuation. I don't expect everyone to be a great writer, but it's not difficult to use the CAPS key for names or to put a period at the end of sentences. [i]Thanks![/i][/size][/blue]

for those who needs English take a look at The Moscow Times newspaper (by the way it's very good in all) published for English speaking community. In Classified section - a lot of adds, all with English speaking girls, massages, saunas etc. Very good surce of info.
Same (in a lesser volume) for Saint Petersburg ("The S-P Times")

Explorer is the Siesta Club easy to navigate without speaking Russian? And is it near the Marriott Grand? I'm a massgae fan myself and would like to try at least one place during my 3 or 4 nights in town next month.

The first time I went to Hungry Duck, I also had a difficult time finding it. Here is the reason. It is not exactly on Pushechnaya. It is in the courtyard in front of Kuznetsky Most metro station. So once you get there go into that courtyard, it will be on your right. Having said this, IHO, Hungry Duck is not worth one's time. Maybe once upon a time it was happening. But right now it is more of a tourist trap. Good luck!

Sorry to keep asking questions but I've got two more:

1) According to some posts I'll need to declare my U.S. dollars when entering the country. Do you guys actually do this and is it advisable to be truthful even if I'm bringing in $1000-2000 into the country. My thought is that if I declare $1500 (for example) and the police see this declaration when they stop me, they would ask for a bigger bribe. Thats assuming I'm required to carry the customs declaration wherever I go.

2) Will police expect a bribe if they stop you and your papers are in perfect order?

I'm going to Moscow in mid-June and staying at Marriott Grand. I'll eventually post an e-mail in case anyone would like to meet and share our Moscow experiences. As always the info here is much appreciated.

To answer your question: No you dont have to carry decalration with you. Put approximate amount of cash on that paper when going through customs. Noone would ask you to count your cash anyway. If you have nothing to declare except cash, Go through Green corridor! In that case they would not even ask you for declaration.
You never gonna get stoped in Moscow unless you riding in a back of the Cab with young girl at 2 a.m. In that case have Pasport+Turist card (given on plane)+ hotel registration with appropriate dates of your stay. If they start talking about some BS :Like you missing smthing, stamp or some paper...they are not serious they just trying to shake you down. Tell them to call consulate and they would go away . At most you would loose 15 minutes of your time. Never give them money!!!
If you with a girl and she does not have passport or Moscow registration in her passport you would have to pay 200-300 roubles or just kick her out of the cab if you sick of all this Russian BullShit:))))

Siesta Club is a hell of a long way from Tverskaya, unless you are taking the metro. And, no, English is non-existent there.

I can't think of a massage place that has English speaking staff, unless the Geisha Club does.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimbehr2000
[i]Explorer is the Siesta Club easy to navigate without speaking Russian? And is it near the Marriott Grand? I'm a massage fan myself and would like to try at least one place during my 3 or 4 nights in town next month. [/i][/QUOTE]

Unless you don't have a credit card, don't bring large cash amounts into Russia. I believe the current limit is $1500, less than this you can pass through the Green Channel at customs.



[QUOTE]Originally posted by jimbehr2000
[i]Sorry to keep asking questions but I've got two more:

1) According to some posts I'll need to declare my U.S. dollars when entering the country. Do you guys actually do this and is it advisable to be truthful even if I'm bringing in $1000-2000 into the country. My thought is that if I declare $1500 (for example) and the police see this declaration when they stop me, they would ask for a bigger bribe. Thats assuming I'm required to carry the customs declaration wherever I go.

2) Will police expect a bribe if they stop you and your papers are in perfect order?

I'm going to Moscow in mid-June and staying at Marriott Grand. I'll eventually post an e-mail in case anyone would like to meet and share our Moscow experiences. As always the info here is much appreciated. [/i][/QUOTE]

JimBehr,

Here is the official scoop on cash. If you aren't carrying lots of cash...which you probably shouldn't...and have nothing else to declare, then go green line in and leave through the green line. It is much quicker and the only hassle I've ever had was when I once went through the red line.

"According to the law, both Russian and foreign citizens have the right on each single occasion to carry out of Russia up to U.S. $10,000 in cash (or rather – any hard currency in an amount not exceeding the equivalent of U.S. $10,000) without the presentation of documents confirming the transfer, importation or remittance into the country or purchase of the exported sums on its territory.

In these circumstances – upon exit from the Russian Federation:
§ Sums up to $3,000 (or its equivalent) are not required to be declared.
§ Sums over $3,000 should be declared in written form in a passenger customs declaration.

To take out an amount of hard currency in addition to the permitted $10,000, a customs declaration confirming the import into Russia of the corresponding sums must be submitted to customs officials."

This law has been in effect since Feb 27,2003. However I still recommend not carrying more than $1000-1500 in cash when leaving.

Regarding registration papers, you should always have your registration and passport on you, and also make copies of both. When in the center of Moscow, especially around Red Square, it is quite possible that you'll get stopped by the militia and be asked to produce documents. If your stuff is in order, they'll let you pass. The only "dangerous" time is at night when you are walking around and the militia stops you. They might try to get a bribe then, especially if you have been drinking. So don't walk around late at night...take a taxi. If you are stopped and they try to hassle you about missing stamp etc. you can either threaten to call the embassy etc. and they will likely back down, or you can give them 100-200 rubles and walk away. Chances are, if your stuff is in order they'll let you pass. We shouldn't blow this out of proportion though, it doesn't happen that often and when it does, its quite harmless.

balabon38,

I do not see many ads in Moscow times. Here is the link I am using (http://www.tmtclassifieds.ru/). I actually find more ads in St. petersburg times. If there is a different link, can you let us know.

Hi,

I am from Malaysia and I am quite new to this board. Russian women can be found here and they are mostly from Uzbekistan. I have a special fondness for Russian gals as I like their easygoing and friendly demeanour. I have had several Russian gals giving me BBBJTC with swallow and I am always on the lookout for such girls. In my country the girls are housed in what is loosely termed a 'health centre' and you can screen the girls before deciding on one. What I would appreciate is for you guys to help me with some basic translation. I would like to know how to ask the girls when they are on parade whether they allow BBBJTC with swallow. Simple terms will do such as swallow or blowjob. I will be more than happy to reciprocate with information on the sex scene in my country.

Thanks a million......

Swissman: good one is Kiril's :

http://www.apts-kirnat.ru/

Just don't ask them anything about girls etc. They're not into that business - apartments only for nice behaving foreigners :)

They speaks quite fluent english and can arrange transfers from airports etc. very nicely too. Email answers in 1 workday.

Recommended, really.

Dr. P

kris420
I am talking about paper itself not a Web site

shank MD... I've never read or seen anything in Russia that states the rules about $10,000 in or out! That is certainly the rule in the USA and you must declare cash of $10,000 or more. When I left Moscow last week, the sign stated that cash in excess of $3,000 must be declared.

FYI, I've travelled into Russia on several occasions with more than $10,000. Sometimes, they will tear up your original customs form and make up a new more formal form, other times they just stamp it. They've never counted the cash(unlike Romania), but usually want to see it. When I have left, I've always had much less than I arrived with and have had no problem. In fact, I've found that the red lines are actually shorter than the green line on many occasions.

I always declare the money that I take into Russia because it will always be more than $3,000.

Also, I've been stopped by the militia more times than I can remember... sometimes with girls and sometimes alone or with guys. I have never had them look at my customs form to see how much cash I entered with. I've never experienced a "problem" with my papers that required a payment to leave. Of course, there have been times that the girls have a "problem" and I had to make a decision to pay a fine or let the girl go. At the same time, on several occasions, the girls papers were in order and we left with no problem or fine.

One caution... I am a 50+ white guy. The rules may change if you are younger... or if you get mouthy... or if you are Asian, Arab/Chechen, or dark skinned. At any rate, I've found that I become very respectful when one of the militia have an AK-47 at the ready! I've also found the militia to be very "professional" as they figure out how to get you to offer to pay the "fine" on the spot instead of going to the station!

Doctor P... Let me add my two rubles to your recommendation. I've used Kirill at www.kirnat.ru or www.apts-kirnat.ru on 5 occasions with reservations for two more trips. They are great and actually provide apartments for several other services, so you get them at a slightly lower price.

Is anybody "regular" guys in msk 12.-16.6. ? I and maybe one friend of mine are coming in the town and it would be nice to have little chats about places ;)

Doc P

Further to your enquiry Swissman why not try and contact Millenium House, who have apartments at 4 Schepkina Street, very close to the Kremlin. E-mail address is yulia.mhbc@sovintel.ru and, as above, remember you are a clean-living businessman, don't mention girls.
Winlos

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swissman
[i]Can anybody of you recoment a good agancy where i can rent a appartment in the center of Moscow? I found some in the Internet but im not sure if they are serious.

Thanks
Swissman [/i][/QUOTE]

Hey guys,

| hope someone can help me. I'm looking forward to having a look at a couple of lineups in Moscow. The problem that I have is that I will be travelling in a group and will not be able to take a girl back to my hotel. Does anyone know if any of the lineup girls have cheap hotels/rooms that they take guys to?

Also, what is the legal age for hookers? Do you have to be careful?

Thanks, Max

This web page may be of some use
www.translate.ru

to say bbbj is minyet bis preservative

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Low Rider
[i]Hi,

I am from Malaysia and I am quite new to this board. Russian women can be found here and they are mostly from Uzbekistan. I have a special fondness for Russian gals as I like their easygoing and friendly demeanour. I have had several Russian gals giving me BBBJTC with swallow and I am always on the lookout for such girls. In my country the girls are housed in what is loosely termed a 'health centre' and you can screen the girls before deciding on one. What I would appreciate is for you guys to help me with some basic translation. I would like to know how to ask the girls when they are on parade whether they allow BBBJTC with swallow. Simple terms will do such as swallow or blowjob. I will be more than happy to reciprocate with information on the sex scene in my country.

Thanks a million...... [/i][/QUOTE]

How long are you wishing to rent for as I have some contacts for apartments.

Central good renovation clean.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swissman
[i]Can anybody of you recoment a good agancy where i can rent a appartment in the center of Moscow? I found some in the Internet but im not sure if they are serious.


Thanks
Swissman [/i][/QUOTE]

CA Traveler,

The cash statement is taken from an official document which I have as a pdf file that I got from AmCham (american chamber of commerce)... I can't guarantee that customs officials at the airports abide by anything but their "own" rules, but that is the official policy. If you read the statement though, it says to declare everything above $3000.

Militia seems less aggresive as of late in stopping foreigners, but they are always around and on the take, but certainly aren't interested in the customs declaration. They are only concerned with your passport and visa and visa registration, or of the registration of your female company.

Later fellas, am in Moscow tonight and hope to get some action...

I ran across the link below. Apparently this company meets you one night and takes you to 2-3 bars and teaches you the ropes in dealing with taxi drivers, police, women, etc. I personally don't feel the need to use them for my first visit this month but I thought the link might interest some people.

http://www.infohub.com/TRAVEL/SIT/sit_pages/7902.html

I'm hoping to have a free night or two available approx June 21 or June 22. I wonder if any board members (new or old) will be available to explore a club or two.

JB200,

Great link! I'm planning vacation for late July/August. 85USD to learn the ropes sounds like a deal to me. If they can deliver.

Has anybody used this outfit before?

Thanks

Just so you don't think I'm not doing my homework, I took care of the leftover business from my 05-18 post.

Called Nadya and nailed the hell out heragain. Wasn't a freebie, but still got the $100 deal for an all nighter with a stripper. I really think this is the best bargain I have had in years. Her mamachka was at Cabana on a Tuesday a few weeks back when I met her, she had a few girls. Her agents name is Raya and is a 35ish Uzbeki looking woman. Try to bargain down. On slow nights she might go for it. She starts at $200. I paid $100. I think there is a fair deal of action there mid-week. It is a hip-hop club that young guys might like, a few middle age guys there. Next to the Baltshug Kempinski. The quality of girl offered to me there was higher than CF, but I can't guarantee the amount of pro-action like at CF, which is always full.

The Kazakh looking girl I had spotted at CF (Doug and Marty's) was there again. She has kind of a flat face and is Uzebki. I thought about fucking her last time, this time I did. If you like Asian looking faces she is really quite good. Kissing wasn't deep passionate kissing, but her body is really good... nice medium size tits and a round ass. She gave a good blow job. Is supposedly a student of economics and speaks English really well. You'll recognize her, she stands almost "at attention" with a slight smile on her face facing the tables and dance floor. She is about 5'6" (170cm) and has a noticeably firm and large busom and a slender bod. Her name is Marina. She asked for $150 but I paid $100. Might have been possible to pay less. I was curious about fucking an Uzbeki, and she satisfied my curiousity. Was a good session, could have been even better if I hadn't been so tired and had more time with her. I was with her from about 3 am until 7 am, I kicked her out since I had to work at 9am. She's a 7 if you like Asians, otherwise a 6, but a sweet girl.

Of all the Russian ethnic minorities the hottest I've had was a Georgian from St.Petersburg. She was unforgettable. Any other opinions?

On Friday I hooked up with Masha, the girl I met at the Renaissance while she was waiting for that Finnish rock group HIM. We met at her metro station, the last station on the blue line. No man's land. Way the fuck out there. She was with 2 girlfriends and we agreed to drive to my apartment and have some drinks. Saw an awesome (non-fatal...I don't relish in anybody's misfortune, but nobody got hurt) traffic accident right in front of my taxi between an Opel and a BMW 7 series on the way home. Went to an all night supermarket and bought a bottle of red wine and 6 stary milnuk beers. Cheap, but it was their choice.

Had a great party. Wish I could say I had all three, but just nailed Masha. She was considerably cuter than the other two. I wasn't overtly aggressive, I just made the first move and she was all over me. Am convinced that most girls, especially those in the 6-7 range, will give it up without much effort. I just showed them a good time.

For all you guys out there looking for freebies, it is there for the taking.

cfrmn Please e-mail me in re: to Nashville.

PWhipped_1950 at hotmail dot com

The agent or madam in Cabana I met a long time ago she told me her name was raula or something like that and if you phone her she will send the girls out 100$ her mobile is 1393823 unless she change it.

There is plenty of free avilable especially in the clubs a bit out of the centre.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by doctor_skank
[i]Just so you don't think I'm not doing my homework, I took care of the leftover business from my 05-18 post.

Called Nadya and nailed the hell out heragain. Wasn't a freebie, but still got the $100 deal for an all nighter with a stripper. I really think this is the best bargain I have had in years. Her mamachka was at Cabana on a Tuesday a few weeks back when I met her, she had a few girls. Her agents name is Raya and is a 35ish Uzbeki looking woman. Try to bargain down. On slow nights she might go for it. She starts at $200. I paid $100. I think there is a fair deal of action there mid-week. It is a hip-hop club that young guys might like, a few middle age guys there. Next to the Baltshug Kempinski. The quality of girl offered to me there was higher than CF, but I can't guarantee the amount of pro-action like at CF, which is always full.

The Kazakh looking girl I had spotted at CF (Doug and Marty's) was there again. She has kind of a flat face and is Uzebki. I thought about fucking her last time, this time I did. If you like Asian looking faces she is really quite good. Kissing wasn't deep passionate kissing, but her body is really good... nice medium size tits and a round ass. She gave a good blow job. Is supposedly a student of economics and speaks English really well. You'll recognize her, she stands almost "at attention" with a slight smile on her face facing the tables and dance floor. She is about 5'6" (170cm) and has a noticeably firm and large busom and a slender bod. Her name is Marina. She asked for $150 but I paid $100. Might have been possible to pay less. I was curious about fucking an Uzbeki, and she satisfied my curiousity. Was a good session, could have been even better if I hadn't been so tired and had more time with her. I was with her from about 3 am until 7 am, I kicked her out since I had to work at 9am. She's a 7 if you like Asians, otherwise a 6, but a sweet girl.

Of all the Russian ethnic minorities the hottest I've had was a Georgian from St.Petersburg. She was unforgettable. Any other opinions?

On Friday I hooked up with Masha, the girl I met at the Renaissance while she was waiting for that Finnish rock group HIM. We met at her metro station, the last station on the blue line. No man's land. Way the fuck out there. She was with 2 girlfriends and we agreed to drive to my apartment and have some drinks. Saw an awesome (non-fatal...I don't relish in anybody's misfortune, but nobody got hurt) traffic accident right in front of my taxi between an Opel and a BMW 7 series on the way home. Went to an all night supermarket and bought a bottle of red wine and 6 stary milnuk beers. Cheap, but it was their choice.

Had a great party. Wish I could say I had all three, but just nailed Masha. She was considerably cuter than the other two. I wasn't overtly aggressive, I just made the first move and she was all over me. Am convinced that most girls, especially those in the 6-7 range, will give it up without much effort. I just showed them a good time.

For all you guys out there looking for freebies, it is there for the taking. [/i][/QUOTE]

Could anybody tell me about guest-policy at the Golden Ring Hotel in Moscow, if not please suggest any decent 4-5 star hotel where staff / security do not hassle.
Any suggestion o relaiable discounted Hotel internet seller (I hold multiple visa) for those places ?
Thanks a lot

oetziboy... all three Marriotts and the Renaissance are user friendly. You won't have to register her, but you will have to escort her down in the morning or she'll be hassled by security to make sure that you are OK.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
[i]
I always declare the money that I take into Russia because it will always be more than $3,000.

The rules may change if you are younger... or if you get mouthy... or if you are Asian, Arab/Chechen, or dark skinned. At any rate, I've found that I become very respectful when one of the militia have an AK-47 at the ready! I've also found the militia to be very "professional" as they figure out how to get you to offer to pay the "fine" on the spot instead of going to the station! [/i][/QUOTE]

I believe the minimum amount to declare is $2000 and up. I never had any problems bringing cash in. The problem is if you take it out of the country. Which is a problem for the government trying to avoid capital flight. We, punters, spent all the money on the girls, so we are cool. Some , actually , leave Moscow owing money, LOL.

I agree about the militia. Don't despise the guys, or talk bad about Russian men to your Russian girlfriend. The poor guys make about $100 to $150 a month in salary, if they ever get paid at all.

Keep in mind , your pretty Russian girlfriend's father, and brothers are............. surprise! Russian men.

Russian men are cool.

Just food for thought.

CA traveller & anybody else......please
All Mariotts fully booked only alternative Golden Ring, would you be kind enough to tell me if it is also a "user friendly" place and what I have to expect there ?
Also I looking for a reliable interpreter (only) service in MOW - daily from 23 to 27 .....any source ? Also student male/female english/russian is welcome
thanks - as usual......

oetziboy, sorry I can't help you with the golden ring hotel... have you thought about an apartment? Also, can't help with interpreter, but I've got a good contact for apartments and drivers if you need them.

You might log on to the Moscow Times website... I think they have a classified section and maybe it would list interpreters. Sorry I don't have one handy to pull the number out for you.

CA Traveller
Thanks for you affords, I've booked Golden Ring already (I've told is a good Hotel anyway) found interpreter (modeltype....) USD 100/day I'll have you updated on all.
I've never token app. becasue of the registration hassle, but if I would come for some vacation its surely an alternative to be considered. I'm interested in driver service ....if you will help.....
Thanks again.

oetizboy, email me and I'll give you the 2 different drivers names... californiatraveler@hotmail.com

Be sure to put moscow or something in the subject line so I don't delete it.

Ca traveller and other members. I apologize if this question has been asked before.

Looking to get recommendations from members who have been both to St Petersburg and Moscow, as to which place is better value and less work (in terms time it takes to being acquainted and finding the appropriate places etc) for first timer who wants to spend a few days enjoying the spoils of Russia

It also seems like Moscow is being overun by tourists and business men. Hotels are hard to come by in June and July.

Thanks

Hey fellas,

Anybody know when the tochka (line-up) scene begins? Is there any action already at 8 or 9 in the evening, or does the market open up only after dark/ around midnight?

Any particular tochka area (Leningradsky Schosse/Leninsky Prospekt/ Mira Prospekt etc.) that can be recommended for better quality/variety of girls, or is this just chance?

Any info is appreciated, thanks!

skank, MD... the lineups usually get started at different times. I've been as early as 2130 and have picked some real jewels at 2230. I've been told that some lineups actually run 24/7, but I can't verify that. I've also been told that new girls usually show up after midnight, which may be true, but I think in reality the girls just keep coming throughout the evening. I've been to lineups late, 0200, and they only had one or two girls, but I've also found some nice girls late... so the bottom line is that a tochka is "like a box of chocolates"...

Of course, each of the lineups can have beautiful girls one night and dogs the next night, so YMMV. I've been to probably 25 or 30 all over the city and I think I haven't even scratched the surface yet! I think the two best areas are the two lineups on ul. Zemljanoj Val (Garden Ring) near Chesterfields, AKA Doug & Martys and also on Leninsky Prospect in the SW part of the city (they only seem to be on the side running into the city, so as you drive out from the Center watch for the beacon girls on the other side!). My friends and I have gotten some beautiful fresh girls at both of these areas.

There many lineups on Leningradsky Schosse on the way to the airport (SVO), but I've never really seen anything there that was particularily nice, but it could have been a bad night. I did see some cuties at the lineup just off of Tverskaya across from the Marriott Grand.

I don't think that I've ever been out on Mira Prospect... I'll have to try that in a couple of weeks.

Prices at all of them seem to be consistant... $70, $100, and, maybe, $150. I always look at all three before I decide.

I think the lineups are one of the greatest attractions about Moscow. Last month, I hooked up with a beautiful 19 yo from Ikursk who was only in town for a couple of weeks to visit her grandmother and was trying the lineups to earn a little cash. I was with her on her second night... Is this a great country or what? Last month, I was in Moscow for about 3 weeks and I used lineups and callup services the entire time and didn't hook up with a girl for CF or NF the entire trip.

Of course, if he's lurking out there, michaelgage is the "real" expert on lineups.

ariesman... IMHO, Spb and Moscow are totally different animals. Spb should not be missed. It is a beautiful city and hasreally beautiful girls and if you are in the market for a non-pro, I'd probably focus on Spb. However, I think that Spb, compared to other cities outside the FSU, is outstanding, but COMPARED to Moscow the pro options are very limited. In Moscow you have beautiful girls and every pro option there is, plus there are girls from all over the FSU head there, so you have much more variety.

I personally prefer Moscow because there is a greater variety of girls, restaurants, clubs and other attractions. I think the girls can be generally less expensive in Moscow, but some of the other costs are probably more.

However, keep in mind that I've only spent about 12 nights in Spb and probably 4+ months in Moscow in the past 16 months. So, I am obviously sold on the big city!

I can tell you Moscow is pretty awesome. Went to Doug and Marty's last night and I thought the selection was very good-excellent. Asking prices seem to be $100 but I think that's only a starting point for negotiations. I paid the full $100 because I saw one walk in at 1:00AM that I was sure would be gone in 5 minutes. I had a great time. It appears there is a lineup across from the Grand on Tverskaya. Last night I saw a young girl on the side of the street (southbound side-opposite the Grand) and she wasn't flagging down a taxi. I assume she leads you to the lineup. CA, can I see that lineup without a taxi? Do you think that lineup is there every night? Guess I'll find out tonite. People here are down on Doug and Marty's but I was very pleased with the selection. I don't want to pay Night Flight prices. One more thing-taxis suck here. Expensive and difficult to negotiate with. I've been here one day and I can tell you this place is excellent (but somewhat pricey) fro pro entertainment.

jb... glad you found the lineup across from the grand... yes, you can definitely walk to it without any problems.

As far as the taxis go, I try to stay away from them. All you have to do is figure out where you are going, then have the folks at the grand write out the address in cryllic (don't forget to get one to take you back to the hotel)... then you go out to the street and put your hand out with the palm facing down. Someone will stop for you in about 5 seconds... open his door and show him the address, he'll probably wave you in, BUT if he doesn't say it, first ask "skolka", and he'll say something which you won't understand, then say "sto rublie" (100 rubles/$3.30), at this point he'll either flag you in (get in!) or say another price which you won't understand or shake his head (in both these cases, start to close the door, he'll probably quickly flag you to get in). This is how the locals do it and it is actually alot of fun. (of course, if he had told you 50 rubles and you came back with 100 rubles, he'll probably think you're a crazy tourist, but who cares.)

I normally use the Metro stations as landmarks and if they don't understand how I pronounce it, I have a map in cryillic to point to where I want to go.

BTW, don't ever get into a car with more than one person in it!

CA Traveler,

Of course I'm lurking :)

The lineups are the best way to find variety and explore all the possibilities. Perhaps the only "better" way is to develop relationships with people who have connections, but that takes alot of time and usually better language. And sometimes it can be a tad intimidating.

The key is to remember you are fishing, and sometimes what you catch isn't the best, but there is always tomorrow. And sometimes you catch one that will lead you to a whole school.

Happy fishing.

I wont have time to do a lineup unfortunately. I enjoyed Chesterfield's. Did make it to Night Flight and saw some good talent there. I didn't care in general for what I thought appeared to be poor attitudes so I stuck to Chesterfields. I did go to Papa Johns but I didnt see many girls available there. Perhaps I was too early. Today's my last day so I'll use a phone number I got from a girl I spent Friday night with. Are there any other clubs with guaranteed action every night you can recommend?

Once again thanks to all that provided info. Moscow has an awesome nightlife and I know I haven't even scratched the surface. I haven't had one bad performance from the girls. St. Petersburg is next but I'll have to wait until next year. I know I'm going to miss this place. It ranks up there with Thailand, The Phillipines, Indonesia, and other great fun destinations I've visited.

I wont have time to do a lineup unfortunately. I enjoyed Chesterfield's. Did make it to Night Flight and saw some good talent there. I didn't care in general for what I thought appeared to be poor attitudes so I stuck to Chesterfields. I did go to Papa Johns but I didnt see many girls available there. Perhaps I was too early. Today's my last day so I'll use a phone number I got from a girl I spent Friday night with. Are there any other clubs with guaranteed action every night you can recommend?

Once again thanks to all that provided info. Moscow has an awesome nightlife and I know I haven't even scratched the surface. I haven't had one bad performance from the girls. St. Petersburg is next but I'll have to wait until next year. I know I'm going to miss this place. It ranks up there with Thailand, The Phillipines, Indonesia, and other great fun destinations I've visited.

mg... you planning on Moscow in July? If so, let me know your schedule, I've found couple of things that you may have an interest in.

CA Traveler,

I need your email, CA. Trust you are doing very well. Can you write me? not sure on my July plans beyond some time in Ukraine.

Michael

Dear all,

I'll travel to St. Pete in early July for 2 days (week days). what are the options with the guaranted results? Have had enough girls in my life, only want to travel to Russian for the very beautiful ones. don't mind money. Any suggestion?

Thanks.

Met an awesome 21 year old at Tribunal

Wait till after Midnight when the girls come flooding in!

Hello Stevehonc, In the city center, in the tourist area pick the nicest hotel and ask one of the staff... One of the best hotels (it was a few years ago so I don't remember which) has some stores in the lobby with world class model type hotties at the registers. I was told some of the women were for sale. I was on a lower budget and found a treasure. I was looking in an English language paper and came across an add for massage costing about $18 US. When I got there I was asked if I wanted two women giving me a massage instead of one (the extra girl would cost another $7 US). Of course I said yes! The two girls were as beautiful as what you'd find at a great strip club in the US. I went back for a two-hour session with two women every day I was there. But if you have only two days and $ is not an issue you should have no problem at one of the best hotels in the city center. Have Fun!

PS One night I had one of the hotel staff bring me a beautiful stunning woman. The specifications I gave were she must be beautiful and has to really enjoy having sex. I paid $150 US for two hours. I see now it was too expensive but I do remember those two hours even today…

BigthDikth,

Thanks for the hint. Do you mean to ask the staff at front desk for woman? I'll stay at Grand Hotel in the centeral city.

How about escort service? Any good and reliable one? I saw several on the internet, but isn't sure if they are good.

Steve

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Okay guys, here is my Moscow experience from about 4 years ago. I'm no expert because I haven't been back to Russia, but I can't believe that it's changed, essentially, that much from the experience that I had. Follow what I say here & even if you're a relative neophyte to the hobby and/or to Russia, I think you'll have a fabulous time. Here's my advice:

1) Stay in a NICE American or W. European chain hotel. I was at the Sheraton - one of the nicest hotels in Moscow, I recommend - and just go to the bar. I went to the lobby bar where about 4 or 5 girls were working, obviously with the knowledge & cooperation of the management. These girls were very classy, well dressed, and ranged from merely attractive to drop dead gorgeous.

2) Order a drink & make eye contact w/ the most beautiful girl there. I did & when she returned the look with a smile, I just went to her, asked what she was drinking & ordered.

3) Just Ask! If a beautiful women is unattended in the hotel bar & returns your look, she WILL f*ck, that's why she's there. It's only a matter of price. In my circumstance, after about two minutes of chit chat - her English was good enough to communicate w/ no problem - I told her I wanted her to come with me to the room & asked what she needed.

4) Offer between 1/2 and 2/3 of what she quotes, depending on her overall attitude and how hot she is. Anastasia quoted me $300. I told her I was only prepared to pay $200 this evening and after about 2 seconds of thought, she smiled and accepted.

Does any of this sound like rocket science?!! It's about as easy as it gets, actually, to get laid here.

While some might think I got ripped off and that guys like me ruin the market, I don't see it that way. First of all, the girl was an absolute world class beauty. Think Brooke Shields, only prettier, kind of slavic looking, w/ 38dds, 26 years old. She absolutely LOVED sex, too. We went for 3 hours, all positions, oral w/out cover, 2 pops (only because two is my max for that period of time). Some of the best sex I've ever had with a vogue cover girl look alike & I know she had to share her fee with the hotel. I think $200 is a good deal for that, even in 1999. So my advice is, don't insist on bargaining absolutely down to the lowest possible price. I know I got better service because I didn't, because she didn't feel like she was being taken advantage of, she really put her heart (not to mention other parts of her body) into it. Definitely worth the extra $50 bucks or so IMO.

So I think if you follow the above routine, chances are good that you'll have an incredible time in Moscow for very good value. As always, any girl that gives you a bad vibe, i.e., she just wants your money & runs, go elsewhere until you find an attractive one w/ a good attitude. They're definitely available in Moscow. Good luck.

Dingo

michaelgage... sorry for the delay. I'm in Moscow now.
californiatraveler@hotmail.com note in subject line... moscow or something to get my attention in this spammed acct.

Hello Stevehonc, I wouldn't ask at the front desk, I 'd talk to one of the bellboys that look like they've got their shit together. Let him know that you are picky and she's got to be beautiful and her attitude has to be the same or you will reject her then he'll get his best. I know nothing about escort services in St. Pete. I envoy you, for I'm looking forward to getting back there. I'm sure you'll have a great time.

Thank you, BigDikth.

Steve

Friends,
Any one has more info on the scene at Radisson,Moscow ? Last time I was there the night club had some very good looking babes ,but the ask was 300 US$, after negotiation 250. I found it way high as per the current rates elsewhere so I declined.

Also tried the massage in the hotel and it was Vegg.

Planing to be there in the near future ,so any info will be of help.

Trying to hookup using postings at expat.ru,however the demand seems to be mostly for blokes from US or Europe , Asians unfortunately are down the list and don't attract much attention.

Also have been writing to adverts on love.mail.ru,but with hardly any success, seems the problem is also of language as most of the babes on love.mail.ru don't understand english. I called on few phone numbers mentioned in the postings,but the phone was kept down when I communicated in English.

Thanks & Happy Hunting.

I too faced the same problem of communication with locals, its frustating, however, lately I have found a new device, that
translates the Russian language by itself, just type in or speak to the device and the device automatically translates the sentence in English and vice versa, I find it very handy and usefull in odd situations and I don't need to ask every time to people for
directions. Now I feel more comfortable. You can familirize with the device http://www.ectaco.com/index.php3?refid=2155

Hope its helps you guys.

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Is there anybody on the list living in Russia.

I personaly have been here for 11 years, in Moscow for most of it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pavlohh
[i]Is there anybody on the list living in Russia.

I personaly have been here for 11 years, in Moscow for most of it. [/i][/QUOTE]

Ever access

http://forum.dosug.org


?

Hi, just wondering when, during the year, is it the cheapest to fly to Moscow, particularly from New York City. And a note to all the regular posters to this forum. Thank you very much for sharing all this useful information. I haven't been to Russia yet but plan to and all the information you guys give is really helpful. In fact, I've been so inspired that I am not taking Russian classes.

Thanks again guys.

No but have tried a few on
www.dosug.nu?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Explorer8939
[i]Ever access

http://forum.dosug.org?[/i][/QUOTE]

Hi all, here is my report about my second Tripp to heaven :-)

I was sooner in Moscow as i post here...Business as usally...

On my last visit i was only in the NF, and some of you recomend strongly to go also to CF. Thank's a lot for this Tipp. On my virst day i tuck a cap from my Hotel (again Marriott Tverskaya) to CF, it was Monday about 21:00 not much action there, i was taking some beers at the Bar and was watching some Sport on TV. About 22:30 the some Girls cam in, they looks like waht i'm looking for :-)
I tried to make eyecontact, it needs severl minuts and two of them came to me, some nice chat and i spend them some drinks. I was not sure if the are workin girls or not...so i dont make any sugestion about this. (i dont want tourbles) but one of girls was asking me if i like to spend some time whit her in me Hotel...i said yes why not... she was asking for 120$ i agreed.
She was 19 tall brunett, pretty face and relly big boobs, i would say a good 7. The service was good, she really like to kiss :-) and she was staing whit me until the next mornig 7:00

The next day i was out whit some suppliers and the let me out on the hotel about 23:45 ... quick to my room and then a cab to NF. Hmm, when i was there i was a littel disapointet...not much girls there... but also not much Mens. I tock a nice blond Girl back the Hotel seh was 24 realy tall and nice Figur also good 7. Serive was ok..a litte to much stress from her side....but ok for me because she was likeing anal :-) 150$ for 3 hours. It looks so that late in the evenig the price drops...

Next day... back to NF at 21:00 eating there ....yeah baby if you are there go and eat there, the food is great but the catwalk from the clubare to the restrooms from the Girls....oh my good it was boner time :-)
A tall blackhair girl whit realy nice face was taking my atetion (she was a 9 or 10). But she want 300$ i said no way....later in the evening when i was going to the restroom she stoped me and was asing for 200$ crazy....but i had a good chat whit a ohter girl..so i said no...to late.
I had this evening or night a 21 blond very crazy girl (9)....also for 200$ about 2 or 3 hours...

Moscow i come back :-))

Swissman

Pavlov,

forum.dosug.org is very different than dosug.nu, you should give it a try.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Pavlohh
[i]No but have tried a few on
www.dosug.nu? [/i][/QUOTE]

I am planning a business trip to Moscow, only for 24 hours and will stay at the Novotel at the aiprort.
Are there still working girls at the basement? What are the prices and is it easy to her to your hotel room?

And if you have any other tips, please post them.

Thanks.

Going to visit Moskva for first time at end of July, people tell me TGIF is good place to meet a Russian girl....is it true or is the place full of working girls?

Swissman, Sorry we will miss each other by a month.I am gonna be there end of September / first week October.

Explorer8939, if I am right forum.dosug.org is in Russian. Any Forum in English ?

There are indeed lots of girls at TGIF, but most are daughters are wealthy Russians.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Joe1963
[i]Going to visit Moskva for first time at end of July, people tell me TGIF is good place to meet a Russian girl....is it true or is the place full of working girls? [/i][/QUOTE]

This, I'm afraid, is it.

Forum.dosug.org is probably the best mongering site in the universe, but its all in Russian.

I would be amazed if any local here didn't know about that site.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by BodyRockerForU
[i]

Explorer8939, if I am right forum.dosug.org is in Russian. Any Forum in English ? [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi BodyRockerForU

I'm going also in the same time to Moscow as you, only a couple of days. Are you interssted to meet me there? To take about our hobbys and to have some beer.

Johny B

nycguy... try the dead of winter... airline prices drop dramatically... bring your long underwear and a warm coat! Don't worry about when you come... the girls will be here and they are very warm!

joe... which TGIF? Although it doesn't really matter, because you can pick up girls anyplace. Of course, TGIF is not the best place. If you are at the TGIF on Tverskaya... I suggest going downstairs and walking 100 feet and going into the pyrimid or the cafe next to it(or walk another block and go to Nightflight). Or, if you are at the TGIF at the Atrium, walk across the street to Chesterfields (Doug and Marty's) after 2300 or midnight. You will not have any problem picking up and meeting girls at either place.

Has any one any experience with publichouse.ru? Do any of these girls speak English?

I have been in Moscow for about two weeks in June. As I mostly used the information form this board there is not much new that I can add.

On my first night, I went to Dirty Dancing and got acquainted with very nice girl, let's call her Galina, and spent most of my time in Moscow with her. She is a very nice and regular Moscow girl, a little on the conservative side. It was a very nice experience and I learned a lot about Russians from her. At some point we even considered going to Turkey together for a week for vacation, but I decided not to do so as I was on a mission in Russia :)

Lineups: I tried them on three occasions. The first time it was with a friend and I was too tired from a long afternoon session with Galina. So I just observed the scene. He picked a nice Moldavian girl and had a good experience with her. Later I got girls from lineups myself on two occasions. In both times I got disappointed, the first time being a total disaster. At the lineup, she looked nice, but at home once I undressed her, she turned out to be a monster. Although I did a better job the second time, a nice blond girl, she turned out to have lots of scars everywhere and this was big turn-off for me. I think picking a really beautiful and good girl from lineups requires a bit of experience and it is also a matter of luck. So, if you are in Russia only for a short period, you better stick to NF, Chesterfield or the salons...

We easily found the two lineups CA Traveller have mentioned here. They are quite convenient being so close to Chesterfield. But I have seen much more beautiful girls on the way to the airport. I forgot the name of the avenue, Leningradkoe Shosse or Prospekt or something like that. All cab drivers know it anyways. There were so many lineups on that prospekt, one after another, some maybe only 50 meters apart. And somehow I managed to pick-up a monster, well though luck :).

Actually if you don't mind seeing the same girl more than once lineups are very economical. The first night you pay $100, later on she will be more than happy to see you for only $40-50 instead of going to the lineup again. It is a win-win situation for both you and her.

I checked out the scene in NF and Chesterfield too, don't have anything to add though. Pricewise lineups and Chesterfield are comparable. But at Chesterfield you can chat with the girls, dance, have a drink and find out about them. But you never know know what you would get from a lineup.

My friend took me to a salon called Salon Fantazii. Phone number(s): (095) 778-5266, (095) 778-5317. It is very close to Night Flight. They have pictures of girls on the Net, but actual girls are much nicer. Actually, the first time we went there, my intention was just to take a look at the girls and leave and wait for my friend outside. But it didn't take me much time to change my mind once I saw the girls. I definitely recommend, a quality place, $50/hour.

I visited another salon (tel: 790-60-08). It was day time and they had only 3 girls. Maybe they always have 3 girls. I picked a girl called Liza ([url]http://publichouse.ru/ankets/1052295005.html[/url]) because I knew she was doing analnyj. She is not very beautiful and even a little on the older side. Normal sex is $50, anal is $70 per hour. I paid her $50 initially, and aggreed to pay an additional $20 if we do anal. I had the best paid-sex in my life. It was total GFE. She came twice, I came three times, and she asked me to stay longer (for free), she definitely enjoyed sex including anal. It was the best paid sex I have ever had.

We also checked out the Safari. Entrance fee is 500 or 600 rubles, lap dances are 100 rubles per song. They have some real stunners there. But it is almost impossible to stop the girls, they keep coming and coming, and although 100 rubles is cheap for a lap dance, in one hour I ended up spending around $50. Have your 100 ruble notes ready before you go!

Overall my trip was a lot fun! I got hooked-up with Russia. This is very dangerous actually, I already started planning my next trip. Maybe I should get a job over there :)

Thanks to everybody posting here, special thanks go to CA Traveller and Michael_Gage. I hope the two of you will enlighten us about Ukraine as well. Compared to Russia, there is almost nothing about Ukraine on this board...

Hedonist, great report. I enjoyed reading it. I was there for three nights a few weeks ago and never did more than CF and Night Flight. You managed to sample many different Moscow experiences. What did you think of NF? I thought the girls were pretty but I felt they had a bit of a poor attitude so I left without taking one out.

Jonny B ,

Sure , why not . It will be nice to meet ya in Moscow.What's your email id . I will send you an email with details about my trip. Which hotel will you be putting up ? I, most probably will be in Radisson.

Hedonist,

Would you be ok to share the contact details of "Galena" ? May be after a great GF experience you have become possessive about her ...:) If not then how passing the contact :P

hedonist... glad your trip to RU went well. Sorry, I haven't made my first trip to the Ukraine yet. Although I'm planning two trips in the next seven months and I have my visa, the actual trips are up in the air.

Too bad about your luck with the lineups... I continue to have great success with them, but they continue to be "like a box of chocolates"!

Also, I tend to stay totally away from the lineups to and from SVO. I prefer the ones on Leninisky Prospect or the ones around the Garden Ring near CF. However, I did find an NF quality girl just across Tverskaya from the Marriott Grand that was spectacular! 5'9", slim, natural blond with a great attitude. NF quality and pricing, but w/o the NF/CF attitude!

BodyRockerForU: I can tell you a lot about Galena, a nice little city in Northern Illinois, but I cannot give you Galina's phone number ((by the way her real name is not Galina), because she is a regular girl... I din't have a GF experience with her, she has been indeed my GF and she cried a bucket of tears when I was leaving. I hope you understand me...

A side note on Dirty Dancing: Although it is not difficult to pick-up a devushka there if you are also young, let's say twenty something, it is a bad club in general. Girls are usually not on par with those in Cabana, Voodoo, Karma Bar etc. If you are above 30, definitely don't go to Dirty Dancing as the crowd there will be very young and you will stand out like a grandpa. In my humble opinion the best club for a foreigner in Moscow is Karma-Bar. Girls are classnye, and very approachable, I mean regular girls.

BodyRockerForU: I didn't get it, what is "the contact :P"?

jimbehr2000: I liked NF. NF girls are very beautiful and but also seemed to be very professional. Not really my cup of tea. I went there with the same attitude that I had for Tretyakov Gallery, for sightseeing purposes and I striked very interesting conversations with the girls. The last girl, she looked very much like Japanese, was telling me how much I'll miss if I don't take her home, at some point in our conversation she started to lick her lips and caress my crotch under the table. It was all so fake, that I couldn't take it anymore and I left.

CA, there is a girl on Tverskaya right across from Marriott Grand every night at 10:30. Right next to her is a guy in a parked car on the sidewalk watching/protecting her. Is this girl herself a prostitutkie or does she just direct you to thelineup around the corner. Also on the ring road near CF I noticed some street walkers as well as an older woman holding a homemade sign with what looks like a serial number on it. Is the older woman with the sign somehow involved with a lineup?

An thanks to you for your info which was helpful during my recent trip.

jb... the babushkas holding the signs are advertising for rooms... you might get laid, but you might just get screwed!

The girl across from the Grand on Tverskaya is the "beacon" girl directing enquiring minds down the street to the lineup, which is just a little past the Adriatic restaurant.

Some of the girls on the garden ring are beacons and some are single hooks. The clue for the beacon girl is that there is always a car parked nearby with someone watching out for her and usually with a CB antenna to communicate with the lineup bosses.

Hedonist ,

I understand perfectly what you mean and I respect your feelings .

BodyRockerForU,

My adress is:

er30@hotmail.com

Johny B

BodyRockerForU,

Hotel: After reading the post's here, I'm thinnk about one of the Marriott's, but if the Radisson is also ok (?), why not.

Johny B

All,

My first post here. My respects to all the masters of this board.

I am visiting Moscow by the end of this month for a biz trip. I am planning to have fun, but speak no Russian. How much of a problem is this, and how would I get around it.

Hedonist,

Great review! Two questions:

Where is Public House (Sorry, I could not figure out form the website)

How do you find which girls do "analnyj"...not only here but in general.

This is my first time in Russia and do not know what to expect.
ANY suggestions, good or bad, will be greatly appresiated.

U

Hi!

I was in Moscow for a business trip in April and had a very nice time. See my earlier reports. I'm planning to go back there 23 August just for fun. I'm planning to stay in a private appartment mentioned here earlier, www.kirnat.ru

Is there any problem stayinhg in appartments? Anyone hired appartment from this company?

It would be nice to meet someone from this forum there!

uman_da_man

I just got back from my first Moscow trip a few weeks ago and I don't speak Russian. There were very few times when it was problematic and overall I say without hesitation not to worry about that. You'll be able to get around ok. Where are you staying, for how long, and are you going alone? Most American brand or tourist oriented hotels have front desk staff that speak English well. Many younger people speak English well also. I probably wouldn't stray too far off the beaten tourist path on your first trip but don't worry to much about the language issue.

Nightflight and Doug and Marty's aka Chesterfield's are very easy to navigate speaking English only. I would suggest you visit a lineup--I regret not having done so. If you come across an English speaking taxi driver he may offer his cell number. He could be a very valuable resource for you while in town. Moscow is an incredible town to visit. You'll have a great time. Hope you can comment here on what you did there and how you liked it.

jimbehr2000,

Thank you for your kind advise.
I will make every effort to visit D&G, NF and the lineups.

Did you ask for an overnight stay, ever?

This is where the Russian issue is most problematic.

How do you communicate. Well, besides with the universal language.

I will report back as soon as I return. For now, I am doing as much research as I can.

Gentlemen, wish me luck.

U

To uman_da_man

Saw your question about PublicHouse. Didn't answer right away because my posts are delayed (only regular member) and most of the time, somebody else would have done in the meantime. Anyway, since nobody did yet (so far), here is the link:

http://www.publichouse.ru/page1.html

You can use a free web translation site to view it in English, such as :

http://babelfish.altavista.com/

Just paste the web page address of PublicHouse into "Translate a web page". Services of the girls are mentionned on the site and you can see the one that do anal.

GandJim

uman_da_man

Publichouse is just a web site. You gotta call the girls to make an appointment and to get their address. If you speak some Russian you can easily manage this on your own, otherwise you need help. Click on girls profile and there you'll see what kind of sex they are providing. Many don't do anal, some offer it for a surcharge unless you get lucky like I got :)

Here is an article about racism in Russia.
Nigger, black monkey etc. These are the common words often hailed at blacks on Moscow’s streets by Russians ranging from, youths who brand themselves as skinheads, hooligans to those who from sheer bravado want to show how able and Russian they are. Included are also adults, drunks and sometimes the honorary babushka. Calling these names is but a lesser aspect of the activities of these individuals or groups of Russians. More offensive and threatening is when they start spitting at their black victims irrespective of the adornment of the individual. Also the mimicking and gesturing at the individual in imitation of a monkey climbing a tree, eating a banana or doing some circus act, is very embarrassing.
The Black American Marine who lost a tooth at the CD market from beatings meted by skinheads was just an example of the plight of Blacks in this country. His case received the celebrated attention of the media and authorities because he happened to be American nothing, which he did to merit that citizenship, likewise his Russian nemesis that also did nothing to merit the Russian nationality except that their parents are Russian. Attacks on Blacks in Moscow and surrounding regions are so rampant that some of the Blacks have came to their sad conclusion through this way.
Objectively looking at the reasons for such attacks and their unhindered continuation, one is tempted to conclude that the white public (foreign and indigenes) are in support for these attacks. By the way are these youths not helping to propagate the white superiority notion?
Also the fact that these so-called skinheads and hooligans copy their fashion and style from mentors in civilized refined societies like Britain and Germany is worthy of notice.
As already mentioned above, objectively looking at the reasons why dark skin humans are the victims of such barbaric tendencies and actions, it is worthwhile to take into consideration the depraved disposition of these Russians. They like their western counterparts have been exposed to the modern world and its benefits. Through the media, computer, fashion and interactions, they have been exposed to the facilities and comforts of the twenty-first century, yet they remain largely spectators. They watch youths of their own age in the US and Europe ride in slick cars, dress with modern expensive fashion and maintain costly hairstyles. They watch as their western colleagues rent or own cozy apartments while they themselves are crammed together with their parents and sisters in komulkas. They are frustrated and at such direct their anger at the poor darkies who are no better than they are.
All in all, blacks constitute a challenge to the pride and manliness of these Russian youths. The further going out of blacks with Russian women, which they consider the only thing left for them to honor and protect, is aggravatory. No one can deny the fact that the sight of a black boy walking on the streets with a Russian girl is very strange and provoking intense emotions on the part of the Russians, leading to jealousy and hatred. The Russians venerate their women and many have transferred their gender right to these women. It seems that the men have also handed to the women their latter years, because looking at the number of babushkas crawling the streets without dedushkas it is but very easy to conclude towards that direction. Their women mean every thing to them. They provide the men with accommodation, lodging them against the Russian cold. How can they share these precious women with blacks?

Hello everyone,

I am new to the forum and I have to say that I have become very interested in traveling to Russia. I feel that I just have to see this country and its women to believe it since most of the postings on here have already spoiled me. I have traveled to Amsterdam and Frankfurt Main recently and was shocked from both the Window babes and the FKK clubs. Anyhow, I have already booked my flight, hotel, and a tour guide for my trip to Moscow this October. I would appreciate any good traveling advice that you all can provide me with.

Eddie123

GandJim, Hedonist:

Thank you! Ao I am here! And this is indeed a great place to be.
The city is just breath-taking, and the little streets with its little shopping areas call for much exploration to be done. I've been to other eutopean cities but this is quite a culture shock. Regular girls are also extra-ordinary beautiful.

In my last 18 hours, I've already visited one salon and had a great night with a lineup girl. details to follow once I return home.

Now, I was wondering if somebody knew a salone closer to the Hyatt. The place I visited yesterday was katenka.ru and they are about 20 min form here. Like this one, I would much prefer to have somebody who speaks some English. Salons works out better for me because I can no longer risk being seen with a SP now that all my co-workers have arrived at the hotel. Perhaps there are better options to the Salones.

Your imputs will be much appreciated.

U

Hi,

I have a couple of question.
I am planing a trip to Moscow my first time. Will be staying in a apartment, I would like to hire a girl for 4 or 5 days & nights
Any ideas where I would find such a girl and the sort of cost. Also is it best to pay in US$ or rubles

Thanks any help welcome.

Phi1

#1030 4-5 days with one girl is good but I would want to spend one night with them first to see if the service and chemistry is right between the two of you. The easiest thing to do would be to go to CF and try to hook with someone. CF is the easiest place to meet girls in Moscow imho. If the chemistry is right then negotiate a long term relationship. But I must add that having someone different each night is my first choice.

UDM,

Would love to hear more about the service and rates at katenka.ru , do post the details once you are back home.

Hello all still from Moscow:
The more I stay, the more I want to stay.

Eddie123:
I have been both to Frankfurt FKKs and Amsterdam.

I prefer the FKKs very much over the window babes.

You will find Moscow great in that a very beautiful girls will stay over-night with you for as little as US100-150. Most, as I am finding out (or for the lack of my effort) do not offer greek nor bbbjs. This is a bit dissapointing to me since FKK girls would at a price. The girls are about the same in quality from the places that you have already been simply because a lot of the girls in Ams or FKKs are Russians or from near by (Ukranians, Belaruz?, Romanian, etc).

BodyRockerForU:
I found the service at Katenka to be good.

The staff girl is kind in assisting you in English.

The palce is a bit confusing to find because you would not expect the appartment building to look so terrible from the pictures in the internet. The appartment itself is beautiful though! The building is on Karasnoproletarskaya (?) street building 8. There are three entrances but you get in the door 1. The appartment is 9 and I think is was on the 4th floor. Black padded door. I will advice you to call ahead for two reasons. One, they will not open the door if you are a total stranger. Two, sometimes they do not call in the girls unless you call first. I found about it the hard way. There is a tall tough looking guard in there that will assist you in to the building should you find yourself lost in the area.

I still have the some questions to the board.

1. Where can I find a good salon near Marriot or Hiyatt?

2. What is a goos alternative to in-call? Outcalls beside salons.

3. What is a good English speaking agency or girl?

I called thin blond girl Irina yesterday from the Moscow Times(?), but I would not pick her from a lineup because of her face (nice tight slim body though). The other girl that I sent home before her was drunk and ugly. Total hit and miss. 120 for 3 hours after negotiation.

U

Hi,

I need some quick advice. I will be staying at the Marriott Royal for 6 nights during my stay in Moscow. Does anyone know how the hotel is and what the policy is on having company with you in the hotel??. I would also like to know where would be the best place(or places) to meet the most beautiful girls in Moscow. I am interested in meeting a girl that I like and maybe stay with her the whole trip. I would appreciate if anyone can give me an input on this since I am a complete stranger to the action in Russia.

Eddie123

Your best bet is Night Fly, great girls for GFE, some even get marrried to foreigners, though I dont recommend it. Marriot will not give you any problems. I stayed at the Marriot and the National also. Hell, you are paying over $250 per night. The least they can do.

Da Svidanya!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Eddie123
[i]Hi,

I need some quick advice. I will be staying at the Marriott Royal for 6 nights during my stay in Moscow. Does anyone know how the hotel is and what the policy is on having company with you in the hotel??. I would also like to know where would be the best place(or places) to meet the most beautiful girls in Moscow. I am interested in meeting a girl that I like and maybe stay with her the whole trip. I would appreciate if anyone can give me an input on this since I am a complete stranger to the action in Russia.

Eddie123 [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi

I will go to Moscow for the first time in September. I would like to know if you will have problem bringing girls in to Sheraton Palace Hotel.

Also anybody has an idea about the action scenes near Sheraton? And how about the "lineup"?

Tks for your advice.

Hi, thank you for your help guys.

Cambodia: Pribet, thanks for the suggestion on Nightflilght. I have read that this is indeed a very popular place to hook up with fine russian honeys. I just hope that the women over there are different than this dumb american girls. I am divorced and pretty much done dating american women. So, I am defenitely looking forward in dating russian women but NOT marriage. After all, a woman is always a woman. Nevertheless, you are damn right about the Marriott better being cool with allowing company. I am gonna be paying them a lot of money for my stay at the Royal so I am going to expect superb service and collaboration.

Uman: I can see that you have been around also. I agree with you on the FKK's. I had much better time with the girls at Oase and Atlantis than the window girls with attitudes. However, the most beautiful girl I met during my last trip was a window girl. I swear that I must have walked pass her window about 10 times before I had the balls in approaching her door. I still recall those 30 minutes with her!. Anyways, sounds to me like Moscow is out of this world from what you told me. Not only are the women beautiful there but also willing to be your girlfriend! I am already putting my imagination to work.

Dosvidanya for now :)

I'm hoping that someone who is posting on this board could be of assistance. I placed a posting on the Russian Board [Other Places} on July 10, 2003 and so far haven't received any response. I will be spending several weeks in Vladikavkaz, North Ossetia-Alania and was interested in any information: Re: Street Scene, AMP's, Escort's, GFE, or any possabilities as internet searches bring up nothing. It's hard to believe that theres any large city or country where so little is happening.

As I had promised, here is my report. I could write a book on my trip, but I will try to keep it brief and as informational as I can.

Salon Katenka:
Only three hours from my arrival, I decided to tryout Katenka. I called ahead and was assisted by an English-speaking lady. (Read my previous post on how to get here) Katenka is only about 15 minutes from the center and is located across a nice apartment complex. First I was invited into a large room with 6 girls. All 7-8 in looks. The girls lined up and invitingly stared at meÉsome blowing kissed and others winking. I picked blonde 19yo Lahla because she was the least aggressive, looked innocent and cute http://www.katenka.ru/english/g/124/1.htm (she is much better than the picture on the web). She started by giving me covered head. (I tried to ask her to do it without the condom but she stubbornly refused.) Since BJ is one of the acts that I enjoy almost as much as sex, I let her have it for 45 minutes. I went deep and shallow but she took it all in sometimes gagging without a single complaint. Having only 15 minutes to go, I mounted her to finish. Granting I was already having sex with a teenager (19), the fact that she looked much younger was most provocative. The fee was $70 and I was not asked about the bill until everything was done.

Lineups:
Night in Moscow does not come until 11pm because it is light util then during the summer. So at midnight, I finally got my lazy ass up and hopped on a cab to find the famous lineups. It did not take 2 minutes on the road till finding a Mamachka with her pimp car. We were told that the lineup was on Novaya Pl. but the cubby had some problems with this location and we headed to the next lineup instead, which was on the Kitay Gorod Station. The girls here did not look good (some even looked doped) so we left this station to another far out post somewhere on the northeast. (I could not keep up with the street names, sorry.) Nevertheless, the lineup was amazing. 20-30 girls. First I asked the $100 girls to come forward. They were as mediocre as the Kitay Gorod Station girls so I asked the $150 girls to come forward. I immediately was attracted by Alexa, 19yr, blonde, about 173cmÉtight body. Probably one of the best looking girls I have ever had. I took her to the hotel and started the session by showering together. She had a large scar on her lower back and refused to turn her back to me. I then remembered a post by MichaelGage on how these girls get "trained" at a ritual called the "black Saturday". I could tell that AlexaÕs scar was doubled up, which signed that she was "disciplined" more than once. I would not be surprised judging form the good looks she has. Although she spoke no English and had too many rules, we had a great time in bed. We cuddled, kissed and had sex many times before 7am when I walked her out of the hotel holding hands. It was a total spiritual GFE.

Incalls:
I picked up a copy of the Moscow Times and called Anna. Anna is a straight shooter and moderately accurate in her descriptions of girls she sends. So I got Irina from her. She was, as Anna had described, thin, tall (175cm), shot blonde hair and with a fun attitude. Nevertheless, rinaÕs face was for form perfect and much older looking than what Anna had told me (20yr). The sex was nice. Her fun cat perfect in shape and color-- unique in grip. The session was $120 for 3 hours.

Next nigh I had Christina from Irene also in Moscow Times. Not-so-good-looking-at-all Christina is an older (25-30) brunette that offers anal in premise. The very reason I agreed not to send her home when I looked at her. But alas! She refused entry as the critical moment arrived. It took me one hour to talk her into it, but once we started the lubrication was gone and it was no longer pleasurable. I spend the rest of the night finishing every shot in her mouth without condomÉ. which somehow she had no problems doing.

NF:
Briefly visited this place. It was 23.00 and packed with babes of all shapes and looks. After the one free drink they offer you, I approached my prey and was quoted $300. I sneered and the price immediately came down to $200 and stayed there till I left the club empty handed. I figured out that I could find someone like Alexa for $150 or less at the lineups. Well, it rained that night and I spent a very lonely night hating myself for not taking the NF girl.

And thatÕs it for me gents.
I am desperate to return to Moscow before it gets too cold.
Thank you all for all the good advice.

U

Hey guys,

I am anxiously counting my days to travel to Moscow. I am planning to take my digital camera since I am a photo freak. I was wondering if you could tell me if there are any problems with taking pictures at the girls in the Line ups, NightFllight, or the clubs. I would appreciate your inputs.

Eddie123

WT/eddie123... Sheraton Palace requires the girl to register... Go for any of the Marriotts or the Renaissance... all are guest friendly.

WT... you will definitely have a problem taking pictures of girls at NF or probably at a lineup. You can take pics at CF without problems. Now, once you're alone with the girls it's up to your negotiation skills to convince them to allow a pic. Some will and some won't, even with clothes on.

I wish I could join you in early September... unfortunately, I probably won't be back until the last half of September. Have fun!

Hi CA Traveller

Thanks a lot for your advice.

Hi Swissman

Unfortunately I will only be in Moscow between Sep 10 and 20, so we won't be able to hook up. Maybe next time?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Swissman
[i]Hi all,

I'm had to change my travellplans i'm in Moscow from September 5 to 9. Anyone here who will hook up for a beer? My interst are Nightflight and Chersterfield and ma by line up.

World Traveller,
When in September you are in Moscow?

Swissman [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi CA Traveler,

Thank you for replying to my previous message. I have already booked a room at the Marriott Royal in downtown Moscow. I will be in Moscow on October 2nd until the 7th. Hopefully it will be a good time and good weather to travel there. I guess you will be just getting back to the states right before I leave. It would have been really cool to run into someone who is familiar with what is going on in Moscow. I am an aggressive guy so I'm sure I won't have a problem talking to the girls. Nevertheless, what advice can you give in regards to safety, russian culture??

Eddie123

You are pretty safe in Moscow.

Lots of police.

There is usually somebody who speaks English in restaurants, hotels and stores.

Tricky riding the subway if you don't speak Russian.

Cab system is crazy. Stick your thumb out and 50% of people will stop and try to make a quick 30 rubles.

Lots of working girls speak english!

Have fun !!!!!!

Hi CA Traveler

How about Radisson SAS in Moscow? Will it require any girl to register?

Besides, which hotel(s) do you think is the best in term of actions?

Thank you for your advice.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
[i]WT/eddie123... Sheraton Palace requires the girl to register... Go for any of the Marriotts or the Renaissance... all are guest friendly.

WT... you will definitely have a problem taking pictures of girls at NF or probably at a lineup. You can take pics at CF without problems. Now, once you're alone with the girls it's up to your negotiation skills to convince them to allow a pic. Some will and some won't, even with clothes on.

I wish I could join you in early September... unfortunately, I probably won't be back until the last half of September. Have fun! [/i][/QUOTE]

Hi guys,
Anyone ever met a girl called Leila, also calls herself Veronika, 30 years of age slim, pretty, met her at brunch in Marriot 2 weeks ago and sure she was a working girl, she works for American company.....so she said and shes hitting on me big time assuring me shes not a *****.......anyone know her ?
she wants to come back to USA with me

You are going to be very popular in Moscow if you promise to take the girls home to the USA !!!!!!

Russia is a tough place for anybody to make a living. The average person makes about 1/10 of somebody in USA.

I was in Moscow a few days last month but only tried NF as the recommendations seemed so good. I have travelled across EE (Estonia, Ukraine, Czech Rep, Hungary etc) but Night Flight must be one of the best places around. Never seen so many beautiful AND available girls in one place.

Went twice, Friday and Sunday, both times about 40 girls rising to 50 or so by 1am, minimum 7 max 8.5 to 9, all English speaking. About 20-25 guys but many not activily seeking the girls so I had the pick of the bunch. In fact I had no problem finding what I thought was the best girl each night and talking to her.

Theres a mix of what looked like pros/regulars and student/occassional visitor (I prefer the later).

Spoke to at least 5 girls and was initially quoted 300, but you could get them down to 200. The girl I took on the Sunday was a stunner, about 20, a law student, 5'6'', blonde with a fantastic slim toned body. Unbelievable. Nice friendly personality and good techniques in the bedroom. Lot of fun. She gave me her email and mobile but alas I had to leave the next day.

Must return someday soon. Just thinking about the ones I didn't take away.

Dear all.

First. Thankyou! All your time and knowledge put into all your posts is appreciated by myself and I am sure many other readers.

I am visiting Moscow for 9 days towards end of September and now drooling at the thought of it :-)

I have got the gist of the options and prices for enjoying Russian beauties but wonder if anyone can offer some general advice.

Plan:

Rent private appt for ~$60 night ? sound ok?
http://www.waytorussia.net/Services/ApartmentsMoscow/Moderate.html
(thus no hassle with hotel secutiy etc)

I will probably eat cheapish in canteen style places and/or fast food. Thoughts? Plus buy food and self cater in appt.

Visit the famous sites etc.

ENJOY AT LEAST 4 NIGHTS OF FUN ;-)

Excluding the flights, what should I budget for the 9 days?
Sorry to ask all this but I think prices and things change too much for my book etc !

Appreciate any help and promise a full and detailed :-) report of my trip later !

Dick Travel

Privyet Gospoda!

I just recently returned from a trip to Eastern Europe that included 5 days in Moscow and I thought I'd throw in my 2 kopecks worth.

Unfortunately, I can't give you any first hand reports of commercial sex, since I was travelling with my wife (I married a Ukrainian girl) and she knows me too well to let me loose among all those beautiful Russian "dyevooshki" all by myself.

I did want to mention one possibility that I don't think anyone has thought of yet for meeting Russian girls, and if I hadn't seen it myself, I probably wouldn't have believed it either.

My wife and I spent one day visiting the Tretyakov Gallery. The Tretyakov is one of the Russian state art museums. It's not as grand as the Hermitage, but it has quite an extensive and impressive collection of Russian art. On any given day, it will be full of foreign tourists.

While wandering through the galleries, I noticed quite a few very attractive young Russian girls wandering about. Some were in pairs, but most were unaccompanied. Always on the lookout for mongering possibilities, I couldn't help but wonder . . .

At one point, my wife and I had split up, and one of these young beauties sort of "attached" herself to me. When I moved, she moved, when I stopped, she stopped, when I sat down, she sat down, etc. She followed me around for about 10 minutes until my wife rejoined me and when it became obvious that there was no opportunity for her, she moved on.

I can't help but wonder what the result would have been of a simple "Do you know what time it is?", or maybe a "Can you tell me where is the toilet?". Maybe lunch, maybe dinner, maybe the rest of the evening?

So, if you're tired of the nightclubs, and the hotel girls and the lineups, and you have a free afternoon, you might want to check it out. The Tretyakov is on the south side of the Moscow river, less than a kilometer from Red Square. Any taxi driver should be able to take you there. It opens at 10:00 and I think the admission for foreign tourists is something like 200 rubles.

Aside from that, our trip was typical tourist stuff. It has been several years since my last visit to Moscow and I was very impressed with the way in which Capitalism is flourishing in the city. Retail stores, restaurants and nightclubs seem to be everywhere. With the Ruble at 30 to the U.S. Dollar, it makes for some good bargains. I was amused by the fact that they still don't have a regulated taxi system. Basically, anyone with a car can pick you up off the street. And as soon as one car stops, they all line up behind the first . If your negotiation with the first car fails, there will be several more to dicker with. My wife's friends, who are Muscovites, admonished us never to pay more than 100 Rubles for a taxi ride anywhere in the center of the city.

Now if the Russian government could just get over that silly requirement that everyone has to have an invitation before you can get your visa, and start issuing visas upon arrival, Moscow might actually become a world class capitol.

Stravinsky

Odessa --> If any of you have good leads for hot independent ladies down there kindly let me know.
Thanks!

Hi, I will be making a big tour around Eastern Europe, Russia.

planning to stay in any other town that might be worth a visit. I am looking to get in touch with some locals who can also speak English or German, who have good communicative skills trying to make some money or find a new well paid job. Please get in touch with me or perhaps you can give me a referal of someone trustworthy who might be able to help me out in some of those towns finding some young girls, uni students, semi pros etc,
puxilove@hotmail.com

Hi out there,

A couple of NF questions to the regulars....

a) Is Night Flight LESS busy on weekends due to lack of business travellers? Less girls too, or maybe price advantages?

b) Is it still possible to bargain down the NF girls to $150 or is the pattern $300 opening price/ $200 final price pretty much the rule?

Point is, I'm weighing my options... 1 hot NF girl vs. two $100 tochka girls...

Doctor_Skank:

If you go to NF after ~1:30 am you have better chances to bargain them down to $150. Although best girls would be already selected there will be always enough talent. NF girls are professional and hardened compared to lineup girls. If you speak some Russian I recommend two lineup girls, otherwise stick to NF or Chesterfield. Why don't you try a lineup girl first night and the other night you can go to Chesterfield or NF... Have fun!

Dear Nick T,

Could you kindly provide the law student's email/phone number to the email below. I am interested in engaging her services since your recommendation is good.

Thanks in advance.

[email]irimea@yahoo.com[/email]

Well, I made it to Moscow, so I'm looking for some entertainment. Staying at the Metropol hotel, what are my options? I'm here for a convention, with colleagues, so I have to be pretty discrete. I also speak no Russian.

Basically just looking for nice FBSM, and French.I've heard some hotels offer incall massage with "extras", does the Metropol? Will I have any trouble bringing a girl up to my room here? Or do I need to look for outcall? Is the hotel bar a decent pickup place?

Thanks!

Mitch

Mitch,

As for the hotel, what worked for me was to inform the front desk ahead that you are expecting a female guest. This also works in the morning as she leaves the hotel. Tell them that you are sending a guest down and that you are OK, and so not to bother her. She will also appreciate it.

If discretion is necessary, but you want to handpick a girl instead of using an out-call agency, try arriving to the hotel separately. Some NF girls will agree to visit your hotel room individually given you provide them with your info. Again, let the hotel stuff know that you are expecting a "friend". I did not stay in the Metropol, so I can not guarantee anything, but you may want to give it a try.

Another thing, buy your own condoms. Twice, my session was almost truncated by the shortage of it. The front desk can provide you with few but they are outrageously expensive this way.

I am in no position to offer advice having visited Moscow only once and for a short time. I know, but people in this board were so helpful that I want to return the favor by helping others with all I have.

U

Hi!

I will be in Moscow from 23rd of August to 29 August. I'm planning to stay in an appartment at Pusckinskaya sq. Found this appartment with tips from members here. Is any one from this form there it would be nice to hook up with some one.

Mitchcor,
I don't know where the metropol hotel is, but it's possible to find some incall places.

Check www.mgirls.ru or the papercopy (available as PDF) of www.exile.ru.

A saloon called Elit at www.dosug.nu has english speaking operator. They charge 100 usd/h.

Some expensive girls at www.redclub.ru speaks english. Send me a mail if you need any names.

I have a question, what is the rate at Doug & Martys and Cabana?

Jes007,

Doug and Marty's (aka Chesterfields) has a going rate of $70-150. I always end up paying $100, but the more average girls will go for less I'm sure, especially as the night wears on and the danger of going home without a "paycheck" increases. There are also some amateur type girls here too, some of the regular hos bring girlfriends along (usually 5-6 average quality) who try to score a couple of bucks as well. Vacations and new clothes need to be financed somehow... these girls can be a lot of fun, since they are relatively inexperienced, desperate for cash and enjoy having sex with Western guys. They can be had for free too, especially if you are young and decent looking. Otherwise, you can bargain nearly every girl down to $100 at least....I've never paid more there. Shop around after midnight, they don't let the hos in until then. Most "normal" girls then disappear, but not all. I've scored a couple of freebies there too. There are lots of hos to choose from, ranging from 5-8. Most pro girls seem to be in the 6-7 category, depending on the night. Very hit and miss. Have had great scores here and some mediocre ones. I think it is important to make your expectations known. Don't be shy, after all, you are paying her $100 for the deed... and that is a lot of money for her. She can certainly work for it.

This club is located roughly across the street from the Kurskaya metro station, across from the Atrium.

Cabana is a normal disco where some pros occassionally hang out. A lot of "normal" girls there too. I paid $100 there as well for maybe the hottest pro I've ever had, an off-duty stripper from one of Moscow's b-grade strip clubs (Divas). A madam there was peddling her girls. I saw 2 or 3 of her other girls, all very young (18 or 19) and very cute. Prices started at $300, but when I told her I never pay more than $100 she let one of her girls go at this price. It was $100 well spent... The madam looks oriental/central Asian. I think she is from Kazakhstan or Kyrgistan. She is in her early 40's. The madams name is Raila (or something similar) and her mobile number is +7-095-1393823.

I picked this girl up on a Tuesday night at about 2am and the club was dead, so I am sure that affected the price, I imagine on a normal night the price would have been $150+. But bargaining is possible...as always.

Cabana is located next to the Baltshug Kempinksi hotel.

Dear all.

I'm visiting Moscow in a few weeks and have been browsing some of the links provided by you all. Thanks.

Some are in Russian and I thought I'd post these handy translation tool sites to help other readers.

Web site translator:
http://world.altavista.com/

Give it the link for the site and select the language to translate to. Very handy for the sites listing girls.

General translator:
Sending e-mail to a russian speaker/reader. This site is useful for translations either way. http://translation2.paralink.com/

Re my earlier post about a rough budget for a week in Moscow living cheapish- anyone any thoughts?

Thanks

Dick Travel

stravinsky,

Good idea! I went to the museum with a date, but it was during the week. I'll try the weekend next month and let you know how it goes.

Skank, MD,

I've been told by friends that NF is slower on the weekend, but that could mean that there are less men and more opportunities. Personally, if you look hard enough you can find some NF quality girls at the lineups, but they will probably not speak English. Plus, it'll may be a wasted effort. However, I feel like I almost always have a better time with a "fresh" lineup girl than one of the club girls. Of course, it is possible to find a "new" girl at the club, but unless you've been in town for a couple of weeks, you'll never know if she's new or not!

DT,

Very good question. When I travel to Moscow, I usually budget between $250-$300 per day. However, my apt is $75/nt and I don't hesitate to drop $150+ for the right girl. Of course, I usually don't spend my full budget and I tend to eat and drink rather well when I travel and normally add $60-120 to my mobile phone while I'm there. So, you can probably get by for much less.

If you want some more info or another apt contact, email me at californiatraveler@hotmail.com Be sure to put MOSCOW in the subject or I'll probably delete it.

Here's a couple of lineup girls from the last couple of trips. I'll attach a NF quality lineup girl tomorrow. Looks like I can only attach one at a time. I'll follow with more if everyone wants.

CA traveler, I just loved the pic. She's awesome. Please post more pics. Its been a while since we've had pics posted here.

CA Traveler,

It is cool that we can post pics here now. I'll post some of mine tonight!

The charms of tochka girls are well-known to me. I find them wilder, more interested in the sex and more appreciative than both NF or CF girls. Whether I go the tochka or club route depends on my state of mind. But I like to explore all options and the atmosphere in clubs is of course much different than the tochka and sometimes I prefer flirting with the girls or talking to other bar patrons and having a couple of drinks. When shopping for a tochka girl, which feels like shopping for a piece of livestock...which perhaps is part of the appeal... :)

I agree... the picture option is a nice addition. The downside is all the new hard dicks that will be applying for RU visas.

Jackson... Kudos for the add-on. In the next upgrade, it would be nice if more than one picture could be posted at one time. Also, I must be doing something wrong because I can't seem to open up my own posted picture... glad that others aren't having problems.

Here's another one...

Here's two of Rai,

a Moldovian girl picked up for $100 on a Leninsky Prospekt tochka, somewhere down by the Gagarin monument.

She was sweet and friendly. I'll spare you the details, but the night with her was fantastic as well.

Line up girls probably are the least used avenue for expat mongerers, but they certainly have some of the best (and freshest) talent.

And the second one, taken at about 6 am after a full night of sex.

doc, I'm having a problem opening the pics... unfortunately, I think my computer has picked up a summer cold...

Here's the pic of my NF quality girl from the lineup near the Marriott Grand.

CA_ T,

Very nice. That kind of quality is fairly rare in the tochka scene. Was she from the $150 or $100 category?

Sometimes funny which girls consider themselves "worth more" than others... beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

I can open all pics without problem...

doc... Finally was able to open... VERY nice!

You guys are killing me. These pics are great. I stayed at the Grand and never went to a tochka. That blonde could have only been a block away fro my hotel. She's awesome.

Thanks for posting these pics guys.

jb2K... here's your lineup girl for the day...

CA traveller
that pic moscow.jpg is a killer! That's my type of girl but unfortunately, it's next to impossible to find a beautiful babe like that in HK or nearby around :(
Please post more pics of her if you can.
Thanks!

Hi!

I have been in Moscow twice and had only girls from NF and CF. None of the girls did anal. How about the line up girls?

What is the right time to visit line up?

Here is a picture of CF girl

CA I like the idea of a pic of the day. I'll be back tomorrow just in case. I still can't believe your hot blonde was a block away from where I was staying (Marriott Grand). I even saw the beacon girl (love that term) every night and didn't visit the tochka. Damn Damn Damn.

Thanks jes007 for your CF girl pic. I have one or two pics I'm trying to post but apparently they are too large for this site. I'm trying to figure our how to resize them using the Paint program.

Jes007,

Thanks for the pic sharing! Gosh, that NF girl's so hot in IMHO. Maybe an above average body, but her face is has that come on in look. Beautiful grey eyes.

Hi,

It is a great idea that you can post the pictures here in this forum. It surely will cater to the greedy eyes. I'm already scrambling to go to Russia. Please post more pictures.

Rabbit

Jes007,

Whether or not a girl does anal depends on your ability to persuade her. Most girls don't want to do it. Almost all have however.

CF girls are somehwat spoiled in my opinion. Spoiled by expats who shell out $100 for easy sex. It's an ok price and I'm sure the guys enjoy it, but we should be making these girls work for the money!

A lot of these girls, whether NF, CF or tochka, will try to get away with as little "work" as possible. If they don't have to kiss, they won't. If they don't have to get fucked in the ass, they won't. If they don't have to suck dick, they won't. Thankfully, there are still quite a few great performers out there, but I think we the customer should make sure we are getting what we are paying for. And the girls will do pretty much what you tell them to. One thing is for sure, they have to work a lot harder when dealing with Russian clients who often treat the girls like animals.

Tochka girls aren't spoiled at all. They have a rougher life. And they will do most anything you want within reason. Some still won't do anal, but your chances with them are probably better than with CF/NF or the other routes.

If anal is your thing, use the www.dosug.nu site to find a girl who advertises anal.

And if you are paying an NF girl $300 she should do it and pretty much whatever else you want her to do. I can't believe there have been some posts on this board where guys said they didn't even get kissing from an NF girl after paying $200+!

Can happen to anyone that a girl goes cold after money changes hands, but clear that stuff up first. Speaking from experience BTW.

When the tochkas start seems to be a mystery, but I'd suggest going around 11-12. You can go almost as late as you want, but the pickings are better early in the night. And since you've got her for the whole night, make her work the whole night. The girl I got shown in my previous post (Rai) below from a recent tochka excursion turned out fine for me, but I plucked her from a tochka at about 3 am. And it was the 3rd tochka I visited on that night, the others were full of the leftovers.... mostly skanks and ugly chicks. She was the first passable girl I found and I jumped on it.

doc... very good advice and right on target. Anal is personal with the LU girls, but you are certainly more likely to get them to go along than one of the NF/CF girls.

More importantly, at a lineup, if the girl doesn't live up to your expectations you can always take them back and get a replacement. I did it once with no problems and my friend did the same thing because the girl wanted a covered BJ... again, no prob.

A replacement guarantee for the hos... Is this a great country or what????

HKG... sorry, nothing more explicit.

jb2K... here's your pic of the day... Enjoy! (fyi... Friday's will be delayed due to travel)

Hi everyone,

Man! You all have brain washed me even more with all these pics of russian p***y. I can't wait to go on my trip. I got 5 more weeks :). Anyhow, could you all recommend me some pretty good strip clubs to visit in Moscow. I read the Safari Lodge was supposed to be the bomb. Please give me some info. I will appreciate it.

Eddie123

e123... I'm not really a strip club specialist, but I have been to the Safari Lounge... The girls are superb and there are working girls that will escort into the back dachas, with saunas, for full service sex. There are also the typical "gentlemen's" clubs, i.e. Platinum, Spearment Rhino, Divas, etc. that have beautiful girls BUT are very expensive. I'm sure there are more, but I can't recall at this time. I suggest you log on to www.exile.ru and look at the club section.

jb2K... here's your pic of the day!

Friday's pic of the day is outstanding. Is she one of those Asian looking Russian girls from Uzbekistan, Khasakstan, or one of those places?

Eddie

Oh La La is the daddy of strip clubs. You can find details of it in exile.ru but its 500 Rubles to get in the door, you go through metal detector security and inside you can do almost anything. If you are used to western no touch strip clubs, this place will blow your mind.

A dance goes for at least 3 mins, sometimes 5. You can touch their tits, you can kiss their tits, you can grab their asses, yuo can even discreetly slip a finger in their snatch while they gyrate in your lap.

Standard fee is 100 rubles a dance.

Girls varied, mostly pretty good, a couple of absolute stunners and only one or two rough faces. The girls are always propositioniing you for more than a dance. They ask about $100 + 500 rubles (for room hire) out the back for anywhere between 20 mins to an hour, but as this is the starting price, you will be able to bargain them down quite a bit I imagine. I havent taken advantage of the extras they do there so I am not sure how low you can get those prices, but I imagine on a quiet night you would have to be able to get sex with a for $50 or less.

Drinks are expensive, UNLESS you drink beer. Draft beer is same price as in Chesterfields. They hate giving you change. So ALWAYS go in there with as many 100 ruble notes as you want dances. Bearing in mind you also want beer, I would go in with at least 20 100 ruble notes.

jb2K... I think so. I can't really remember all of the details. However, it is not unusual to see an Asian influence in many of the Russian girls. The mongol horde spread alot of oats in all of their pillage and plunder!

Hi everyone,

Here is my first humble contribution to this great forum.

In my last visit to Moscow I've tried the lineups for the first time (I've used the out-calls and local apartments before), and I must say the LU are the best. You can really see the girl (the pictures on many sites are misleading) and it's the best value for money.

The ones I've visited are around the inner ring and on the Leninsky Prospect. Any taxi driver will know them and take you there. Just pick a driver that speaks some English and can translate.

Take your time and go thru 3-4 lineups before you make your pick - that's part of the fun. The girls are usually from Ukraine, Moldova and various Asian republics. I think the Ukraines are the most good looking ones and give the best service, but that's IMHO.

In some hotels they won't let the girl in, unless she has proper papers (she has to be registered in Moscow). You should verify that at the lineup before taking the girl. I had such a problem in the President hotel I was staying in (maybe because it's an ex-government hotel and the security is tighter). In any case there is nothing you can't resolve by an additional 500 RUR to the security guy.

So here is my catch on that trip - a lovely Ukrainian girl called Uliana. She was a real GFE and very athletic (ex ballerina). This picture wasn't taken by me - it's from a site she told me she's advertised on. So you can get to her direct by that phone number on the site. On the lineup I took here for $100 for the night.

http://www.otsos.ru/st/bids/805.htm

About those website girls like

ostos.ru etc

whats the deal with them?
are the girls in the pics really working?
are they working out of their own apartments?
are they working for the mafia?

or are they little busy bees taking pictures of themselves and marketing themselves well?

how much business do they get this way? any moscow veterans have more links like this?

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1) Yes, the girls on the sites are really working.

2) Sometimes the photos are fake. A girl will be too shy to let her photo be shown, or sometimes the girl is a real dog, and substitutes a Playboy model instead. Don't ask me what happens when the client shows up.

3) Lots and lots of such sites in Russia.

Hey guys,
CA Traveler: thank you for your info on the Safari Lounge. I am definitely planning to check it out.

Roger: I appreciate your input on Oh La La. Damn, it sounds like it is kind of like Safari Lounge. I could never find a strip bar in the US that lets you touch all you want + having sex with a babe in a room. Moscow its got to be a men's heaven when it comes to adult entertainment!. Do these strip clubs have a certain dress code??

On a less pleasant note, I have read recent comments on race issues before. However, although the US has issues relating to this, how are people in Russia in regards to foreign tourist with dark skin (half indian, half white)?. I am an american but of hispanic ethnic background. I am young (28) and athletic but I am of a little dark skin. Could you all maybe educate me a little bit on russian girl's perspective on this??

Eddie123

welcome Barmer and thanks for the pic. Was Iliana a lineup girl? I thought I saw her somewhere maybe Chesterfield's but I'm not sure. She does have that typical sexy Russian girl next door look. Which is not a bad thing at all.

Hi all.

Again many thanks to those who post such detailed and helpful reports and share their experience.

I am going to Moscow for the first time shortly and have been surfing the net researching. I found this excellent mapping site.

You can choose English or Russian and search in various ways for address/metro etc.

I figured it would be handy for anyone who refers to a specific place in a report to add a link or maybe even upload a gif of the map from the site.

Eg - "Katenka" - here is the link to the full map on the map site

http://www.eatlas.ru/scripts/ymap.dll/dmap.html?name=1061807564420&map=msk&w=354&h=280

and I attach a gif of it below.

Best wishes all and I am seriously looking forward to filing some happy reports from moscow in September. I might even do a daily post from an internet cafe!

Dick Travel

eddie123... I think that some of the upscale strip joints do require slacks instead of jeans, but I'm not completely sure. Safari doesn't have a dress code.

Unfortunately, the Russkis are somewhat racists. However, CF sports about every flavor there is without any apparent problems. Your biggest problem may in fact be with the militia. Be sure to register your passport and immigration card... Carry them at ALL times because you will be hassled if your papers aren't in order.

jb2K... Here's your picture of the day! These are two sisters from Spb. Hooked up with the older sis at Marstall's one night and then the next morning I suggested that she bring her 18 y.o. sister over the next day for an intro into the biz! At this point, she had only been with four guys. Wonderful afternoon in the Russian winter!

eddie123,

This has been covered before in the forum on a couple of occassions, but dress is particularly important in Russia. I'm not saying you have to wear a suit or something, but dressing with style is important. You can wear jeans to a lot of places but not everywhere.

The "laxing" of the dress code has its negative side though too... regrettably, jeans have replaced the miniskirt as the fashion-conscious dyevs wear of choice.

Still, designer goods remain very popular and are a babe magnet especially if you don't look like you are trying too hard but still smell of money. When dealing with pro girls, looking "too rich" may end up raising their prices. Trying to explain to a Russian girl that you can't afford $200 for an all-nighter but you can spend $100 on a Hilfiger belt is like telling her you are a eunuch.

There is no general rule though, as dress code varies wildly. Here is the breakdown from my experience (your experience may vary):

Night Flight: dress up in a suit or upscale fashionable clothes. Jeans can be worn, but you should still look fashionable. A pair of raggedy Wranglers will make you stand out like a sore thumb. I've worn jeans here without a problem, but made sure the guys working the door knew I was American.

Chesterfields/Doug and Marty's Boar House: pretty much anything goes here. A true expat hangout in both the good and bad sense of the word.

Cabana/Bells/Propaganda/Karma Bar/Voodoo Lounge/16 Tons/Rhythm and Blues cafe etc.: mid-level clubs with limited face control. You should dress up fashionably and nice. If jeans are to be worn, then fashionable "European" style is best. Overdressing is just as bad as underdressing. Never understood people who wear business suits to clubs...

Zeppelin/DJ Shambala/Garage etc: The upscale clubs are a ***** to get into. Face control can be brutal. So look rich and in style. Girls... if you meet a pro there... are very expensive. "Normal" girls are beautiful... and just as expensive in maintenance as the pros. Just being an American will not get you into these clubs, you have to look like you belong to that crowd. It can be a pretty pretentious scene but the women are really hot.

Safari Lounge/Divas/Dolls/Rasputin and other strip clubs: I've never seen any sort of face control or fashion code here. If you pay the entrance fee and are foreign, you'll get in. BTW: not every club has rooms to fuck in. A private dance is not a fuck but usually just an extended fully nude lapdance. A rip off in my opinion.

Dirty Dancing and other low level clubs offer some prime access to easily impressed "normal" Russian girls from the poorer and student classes, but you will also run into groups of young drunk guys and hitting on their girlfriends could lead to trouble. That is the same everywhere I suppose. No real fashion code here, but mostly youthful garb will be seen.

The fashion issue is an unending issue in Russia. Russian girls are second to none in their obsession with it, at least in my opinion. My recipe is to be fashionable, look like I have money but am not obsessed with it, and stay MANLY. Don't overdue the primping. I have heard women on many occassions complain about Italians etc. (nothing against Italians) being too obsessed with their hair looks etc. I often wear jeans and have never been turned back anywhere... except once at some club called Schokolad and once at Most. Assholes. Wasn't because I was wearing jeans though. My mojo just wasn't right...and I was alone and not on anybody's "guest list". Face control at upscale clubs can be very demeaning and humbling. Oh the glories of capitalism.

Race:
There is latent racism in a lot of girls and blatant in others. I think the more upscale places will be more accepting, at least I've seen black guys there. Karma Bar and CF have virtually no face control and their are a lot of darker-skinned guys there. Voodoo Lounge as well. Hispanic guys also generally have no serious problem at normal clubs. I'm white though, maybe other ethnic guys with Russia experience can give you better advice. I wouldn't recommend going to the boondocks out of the center though into a biker bar or something. But I wouldn't recommend doing that in South Carolina either.

BTW: Cabana is a "black" club.

If you are dark, athletic and good-looking, you might be the type of guy to satisfy some sexy blonde dyev's fantasy. Do dress nice and look classy and confident. It goes a long way.

From my experience with talking to "normal" girls, and this is just from my experience, a lot of Russian girls have expressed their distaste for Caucasian men (Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia etc.), Arabs in general and Turkish men. So make it known you are American and you'll rid yourself of any possible misidentification.

If you do get some rascist feedback, keep trying with other girls. The world is a long ways away from being rid of prejudice, but particularly better-educated Russian women will give you the same chance as a white guy. Some will even like your "exotic" looks.

CA Traveler's advice is right on, and it goes for foreigners of any color, keep your papers in order and on you.

Jimbehr,

Yes, I've picked her up from a lineup (for $100 a night) not far away from the CF, so it might be that you saw her there.

I myself speak pretty decent Russian, never the less I do think that for non-speakers of Russian, actually the lineups are a good alternative to the much more expensive NF/CF and the like, or the web sites, where you will find it difficult to cope without some basic Russian.

In the lineups you don't have to talk much. The "mamuchka" (local "Madame") will do the routine as soon as your arrive in your taxi - first she will "lineup" in front of the head lights the $70 girls, then the $100 and at last the $150 girls (about 7-10 girls in each round). You just have to make your choice (without even getting out of the car).
Of course, you should take a cab driver that speaks some English and can translate basic stuff. Don't be embarrassed in front of the cab driver, this type of entertainment is very common in Moscow and many locals practice it themselves.

Have fun and report back.

Barmer.

CA Traveler,

Great pics of those two sisters from SpB! So Beautiful and innocent young ones. It's hard to believe though that the younger has been with four guys already.

Which one was better? How old are they anyway?

TRL... I think the older one was about 26 or 27. The younger one was 18. In retrospect, the older one was a little harder than I like, but I was new to Russia at the time and I enjoyed to the max. I'd probably pass on her if I had to do it again. Of course, if I'd passed on the older sis, I would have missed the younger sister! :)

Here's a more upclose and personal pic of the younger sis...

jb2K... This is your Tuesday pic!

Both sisters are hot. I thought older looked better than younger in the photo they took together. But younger looked very very good without clothes. I wouldn't pass up the opportunity to do either of them.

jb2K... leaving for Moscow tomorrow for a few days, so this is your last pic of the day until next Wednesday!

Hi guys,

CA Traveler: Thank you for your valuable information. Leaving tomorrow to Russia! lucky you. I am next and counting my days :). Have a nice trip.

Doctore Skank: I appreciate your great input and for refreshing my memory on the dressing issue. Whenever, I travel, I always bring a couple of my suits and other nice cloth to wear. I also bring a couple of jeans and casual wear for other occassions. From my previous trips to Germany and Holland, I have noticed that people like to dress up a lot when they go out. Nevertheless, I guess the weather contributes a lot since it has been cold when I traveled there. "Face control", does this mean that at some places you won't be admitted because of your looks, dress atire, or simply age??.

As far as race, well, ignorance is everywhere in the world and I guess you can only try to stay away from those people. There is plenty of descrimination here in the US as well. Black and white, north and south. Anyways, I am not so worried about that. I just plan to have a great time while I am there.

NightFlight and Metelitza: I have noticed this two places are very popular for the women. Are the women really hot or stunning in these places??

I have looked at the Dosug.nu site and some of the strip club websites and the quality of the women on those pictures are unbelievable. I would imagine that the NF and Metelitza has women of these quality in it.

Okay, enough for now

Eddie123

she's another winner. Thanks.

Hello everyone,

I will be leaving for Moscow on Sept. 5 until Sept. 14. If anyone will be there during this time and would like to get together to compare notes or just check out the action in Moscow please let me know.

My email is gent25_6@yahoo.com

Gent30

Do any of you guys who manage Russian language have experience of meeting girls for sex - or just for good girlfriend company through these dating pages ?

http://omen.ru/LOVE.HTM

The main page is ROL, to the above one you get when you click “znakomstvo” = “making friends”. I can speak and read Russian fairly well and decided to make a test. In my specifying I did a narrow-down “man wants to / meet women / from age 20 to 25 / city: Moscow”. A long list appeared in front of me. Every girls' nickname – name – age – desired type of friendship - photo/no photo – date of posting. I picked a few candidates of those whose posting reason was “sponsor wanted” and clicked to their individual texts: email address, height, weight, colour of hair, hobbies etc. Plus a few freely chosen introduction sentences. Most girls write that they want to meet a man who can help them fulfill their dreams, a man who is (financially) respectable. And some general stuff of themselves.

I chose a few ladies to whose email addresses I then wrote my mails. I truthfully wrote among other things that I am not a Russian native but that I travel to Moscow a few times a year and would like to meet a nice young lady for nice company and - frankly- sexual encounters. I wrote that if she is interested she could write back to me and I am sure we would agree about the price and terms to satisfy both parties. In my computer I do not have Cyrillic font so I wrote in Russian with these Latin letters of ours, with the words transliterated accordingly. I know that most young people can read and write Russian that way too.

I am wondering why there are are not any answers.

Because these girls do not want to deal with a man who visits the city only every now and then?
The girls know their value and are sure to find an everyday sponser?
Because I did not write in Cyrillic?
Because the email addresses -even though they look real - belong to an escort/model agency?
Because the only thing that is wanted from me is my email address to be used for junk mail?

Eddie123,

"Face Control" is club security. Rich Russians, so called "elitny" Russians or New Russians, hate the poor. They absolutely despise them, because the poor remind them that Russia is still a backwater country, even as Moscow has a very polished and shiny surface.

In order to maintain the status of being an "in" club that attracts the so-called elite, a lot of clubs will not let everyone in. Obviously average Russians can't get in (they couldn't afford a drink in there anyway) but even well-to-do Russians or Western expats are sometimes rejected. The "in" elite crowd doesn't want their evening disco experience to be ruined by being forced to see someone wearing non name-brand clothes or -god forbid- being forced to dance next to some with neither very good looks nor a huge income. Getting rejected at the door is every girls nightmare, so many don't even try to get in.

Not every club has face control and face control varies wildly in its intensity, but getting into certain clubs on weekends can be difficult, and often it really isn't worth the effort. I've been to most of these clubs and they are very stylish and cool, but if you are just looking for women to have sex with, there are better and certainly more economical places. But don't be afraid of face control, most clubs except the few super elite ones will let expats in without a problem.

Metallitsa and Night Flight both are clubs where prostitutes work. Night Flight caters to expats and foreigner businessmen and Metallitsa mostly to rich Russians.

I was at Night Flight on Saturday and the women were good but not great. I was actually disappointed at the selection. Mostly in the 6-7 range, which can be had elsewhere for much less than the $200-500 the girls were asking for there. Maybe the hot ones are on holiday. I'll post more later on my week in Moscow.

Eddie,

The chicks are never as good in reality as in the pictures. The pictures are for marketing. You will get get a big mac from McDonalds that looks like the picture of a Big Mac in the window. In my experience, the chicks you get will never be dressed like they are in the pics, they will always be a few pounds heavier, and in general they are a few steps below their 'glamour' pictures would imply. Someone who looks a 7 in the pic will end up a 5 at your door.

The women in Night Flight and Metelitsa are at the upper end of the market. There are always a few stunners in there, but the quality has definately dropped in recent years. A recent visit had me talking to a single 8.5 plus who wanted $500 for the evening. I laughed in her face. But there were plenty of middle aged Japanese and Chinese businessmen in there who will pay her, for 3 minutes of pleasure. To her credit though she was a flexible woman, offering to do anal and BBBJ for a few dollars more - or a few hundred more.

A few years ago, every girl in there was a 9+. But it seems all the stunners must have got married to rich russians, leaving the Flight struggling to keep the place full of top quality women. Maybe thats why they are increasingly focussing on the restaurant as a business. The supply of top russian girls is drying up. Night Flight does not do the illegal, unregistered, ukrainian / moldovan crowd. They are mostly Moscow girls. And Moscow girls can make a lot of cash with a regular job these days. Many of the educated local girls (20 - 30 years old) I know in Moscow are all making between 2 and 3 thousand USD a month from bank jobs, or law firm jobs or whatever. A couple of them earn much much more than that. And bear in mind they pay 13% tax (proper jobs pay tax these days) so that $4,000 a month is equivalent after tax to a westerners after-tax USD 70k a year. You have to make boat loads of cash to impress a pretty Moscow girl with an education these days.

Bear in mind as well that Night Flight is very much an expat place. Metelitsa slants to a more Russian crowd.

doc... I had dinner at NF on Friday night with friends and later went to the bar... we were shocked at the low quality of girls there that evening.

It could be that it is late August and many of the girls are in France or Sochi! Or, it could have been that it was a city holiday weekend.

Who knows? OTOH, CF was packed on Friday, Saturday AND Sunday!

eddie123... hope your trip goes well!

RM... one of my friends has a regular girl from NF that says she starts at $500 and works her way down... She claims that at least once a month, or maybe it was a week, someone bites on the initial offer and others go for $400! Obviously more money than brains!

Hi guys!

Thanks for all info in this forum. Due to this I had a great time im Moscow. I was there for one week. I'm a little busy at my work and I will post detailed report later. I have problem with photoeditor and can't post any pictures there.

I know a couple of Night Flight girls (only 8 and 9). They told me that they dont go there in July/August or in weekends because it's wast of money. In August and in weekends there are no buisness people. Last time I was there its like 50 girls and 20 guys.

Many, not all, NF girls go to CF in weekends and in Mondays. I have personally met around 10 of them. They asked for 150-200$. Many other girls hate CF because its a shabby place. Many girls at NF seem to have plenty of $ now, lot of girls have there own Audis and BMWs. The last girls I met drove and Audi A8 and offered me a glass of champagne. She was a 9.

I personally found Thursdays to be a fine day to go to NF. I will post pictures later.

I also found nice girls (8) at line ups, be careful with police because they seem to cooperate with line ups. When you pick the girl and drive away they will stop you and ask the girl for papers. All this just to milk you money.

Have nice time in Moscow

I will be in Moscow for 8 days, during this time, I am going to visit the places which make tourist actractions in every sense, and verify personally if all the rap going on about the moscow scene is true or just teenagers jerk, for one thing, I have noticed a general rising of the price of the girls hanging on in nightclubs, it is making me to desire to avoid these places completely, because it seems that the game is losing an adequate interest, it is cool to pay for a deal,when in return, beside the phisical satisfation you get also gratified in the mind, unless you go just for sodomy, make sure you are protected.

Ca_T,

Was at NF on Saturday and like you and RogerMellie, was not as impressed as I have been in the past. There certainly were some chicks with great bodies there, but faces were average for the most part. And having a really great body in Moscow is no rarity, that can be had almost anywhere for $100.

Roger makes a good point, it is getting harder to recruit Moscow talent for those kind of jobs.

I even saw some girls I would have considered kind of ugly and wouldn't have fucked for $50, which is really scandalous low quality, considering it is nearly impossible to get a NF girl for less than $200. I was there about 1 am and the place was hopping. A couple of the girls who offered themselves for laughable prices of $300-500 later hooked up with some Chinese businessmen. They might have been fulfilling their fantasies, but they were getting really reamed pricewise. I don't blame the Chinese guys really... I can't imagine a Chinese businessman staying at the Metropol for $500 a night cruising tochkas in a beat up Volga to pick up a 19-year old Moldovian girl for $100... he isn't strung for cash and just wants a good time with a girl from a place he feels safe in.

The few girls that were of good quality at NF wanted at least $300 and at 1am on a busy night, they weren't in the bargaining mood. I imagine most of the girls, and all of the pretty ones, scored that night.

So did I, but not at NF. I went elsewhere.

Nonetheless, I don't want to speak too poorly about NF. I had a great meal and hanging out at the bar talking to the girls is good fun. It gets you in the action mood. One half-Korean/half-Japanese girl with a killer bod was all hot and bothered about me, even guiding my hand to her crotch while we talked and whispering some deliciously nasty stuff in my ear. I really wanted to fuck her right there, but my brain took me elsewhere. The girls at NF were a fun bunch, but they will take whatever price they can get. And on nights like last Saturday, they could all get $300+. One girl even made the mistake of bragging about her new Mercedes 320 to me. No way in hell am I going to spend $300 on a girl who drives a car nicer than mine! And she was definitely not model quality either. So I think these girls live fairly well...they don't need my help. Really makes me ask "who's screwing whom?". I feel better giving a student at CF $100 (which she gets to keep) or a tochka girl $100 (of which she gets half).

Almost went to CF... we might have seen each other there. Maybe next time. On that night, I hit the tochka scene again and didn't regret it.

Nonetheless, if you are new to Moscow you MUST go to NF. It has to be experienced, and I hope and trust that the quality will go back up in the fall to at least 7s and 8s and maybe the occasional 9...

Take it easy all!

Musketeer,

I have had good success over the years with freebies scored from various free Russian dating sites. But getting responses is pretty tough. I talk to the girls I end up with about the various websites, and many of them, certainly the cute ones that have come my way, talk of having over 1000 replies to their adverts. Half from within Russia and half from overseas - mainly Turkey, Italy and the US.

To get them to bite, you have to be a lot more than an expat these days. You have to make it interesting for them. How you do that is up to you, but once you establish successful contact, it is easy enough to line up a date when you are next in Moscow and from there its totally down to your charm.

There is no doubt it is getting more difficult. In the old days the girls would go for you because you were a westerner, now you actually have to be interesting to them in the same way that you would have to be interesting in a bar in the west. Money isnt much of an issue for Moscow girls in 2003. Even 20 year olds take 3-4 overseas holidays a year. And literally every Moscow girl over 15 has a mobile phone.

To impress a girl by being an expat or on the basis of cash, you have to go a fair way out of Moscow.

To be honest you are doing better than the average guy if you even get responses at all from Moscow girls. Some of them even do it for fun, just to see what is out there.

I was at CF Saturday 23. Aug. and had a great time there. I went there about 2300 and the place was packed with bot normal and working girls. But after midnight a lot of working girls showed up. I had great time there meeting lot of ther expats and having drinks. around 1 AM I chatted with a couple of NF quality girls and all of them asked 200 $ and told me that they will stay with me until 5 AM. Then I saw this dark haired girls and and talked to her. She didn't speak much english but she talked to me while slapping my bottom. Later she bit my nipple. She is a student from Arkangelsk. Around 2.30 AM I asked her to join me in my appartment and she asked for 100 $ which I agreed. This time I rented an appartment from Kirill at Pushkinskaya sq. We tok a taxi home.

We had a really great time and she did all services. The best thing she didn't ask for the money and I paid her when she left me around 11AM.

I still have problems with my photos, I will post a picture here tomorrow

Please help with Girl friendly hotels that are not too expensive???

Under 200 $ would be acceptable. I'm stuck trying to reserve from the hotels themselves and it is proving to be extremely expensive to stay at the Sheraton. Please advise guys. I want a decent hotel and girl friendly one.

cheers

The Marriott Tverskaya runs about $200 if you book through the internet or some other discounter and is girl friendly. It is not directly in the center, but a short taxi or metro ride from the center. I've stayed at the Marriott for as little as $170 on weekends, but have a corporate rate. Nice hotel.

Other options are the Russian hotels, like Rossia, but you will likely have to make do with their selection of women which usually isn't on par with that which you can get elsewhere. These run about $100 a night for a simple room.

There are many Russian and semi-Russian hotels with rooms for about $120-150, but I haven't stayed at them and don't know their girl policy. Sorry.

Good job Jes007, sounds like you did well for yourself with your $100 student. And I'm glad you didn't pay $200 at CF, no matter what the quality of girl. Looking forward to any pics you feel like posting.

Just one thought:

CF is the cheap alternative to NF. Lets keep at that way.

Lets stick to these structures:

Night Flight (NF): $150 and up with average price between $200 and $300 depending on quality of girl and amount of possible business for the girl on any particular night plus of course the chemistry between you two.

Chesterfields/Doug and Marty's(CF): $70 and up with average price $100 depending on the same factors as above. Please, nobody pay over $150 at CF!!! In fact that is too high already. I have never paid more than $100 and never will there.

I am not trying to be cheap, I'll happily blow$60-70 on dinner and another $50 on drinks for a girl at some posh club somewhere, but lets keep the basis prices low! These girls will take whatever they can and if we are stupid, we'll outprice ourselves right out of this market.

Remember, at NF and CF the girls get to keep all the money, so $100 a night is a lot.

Say she scores on 3-4 nights a week x 4 = $1200-1600 a month tax free and she has virtually NO expenses. These girls don't live as poorly as you might suspect. They live ok. Check out their clothes. They do just fine for themselves in this business.


Just MHO. Comments welcome.

GG... pretty hostile comments for your first post! Personally I think the pictures of the Russian girls speak for themselves. However, YMMV and I would not be too fast to slam the info that has been posted here. If you go to Russia and don't do anything but read these posts, you will be a very happy man indeed!

boofer... All three Marriotts and the Renaissance are girl friendly. The M. Tverskaya and the Renaissance are your best bets for rooms under $200. However, there is a 25% tax AND they screw you with an additional approx. 10% currency conversion charge. Your best bet is to stay a night or two over the weekend at the hotel and then move to an apartment. If you have the apartment people pick you up and take you to the apt. you could actually go straight to the apartment. However, you should make sure that you are in the center and not out in the burbs someplace.

Also, IMHO, I would never stay at the Sheraton. It is expensive AND they make the girls register, which can be a problem if the girls papers are not in order!

RE: CF on the weekend... I personally try to stay away from CF on the weekend because it is so packed with people it is difficult to move around. Personally, I prefer it on Sunday and Monday nights because it is crowded but not so many drunk Russian men and it's easier to get around to talk to the girls. If you take a lineup as an alternative on F & S, it's a good idea to get there early because there are so many Russians lined up to get girls it was a traffic jam. Too late and all the good girls are gone!

jb2K... here's your pic of the day!

I am looking for a hotel for my 3 day trip to Moscow in October. How is Baltschug Kempinski? Is it girl friendly? How close is it to NF and CF? Of the 3 Marriotts, which one is the best wrt to the quality of the accomodations and location? Thanks!

Here is the picture of the CF girl I promised.

Mr Administrator, please clarify for a new registrered member:

What is the meaning of the new Photo Gallery-topic if pictures are still to be seen only among the text postings?

And maybe I am being pathetic but I have two minds about posting working girls’ pictures in this site in general. We all know that pictures in the internet can and will be copied for various catalogues around the world. I am sure that all these “World Sex Guide models” would hate to know that their picture has been published in the first place.

[blue]Posting photos is a personal decision to be made by each member.

Jackson[/blue]

swise... the Kempinski is a beautiful hotel. I do not know if it is girl friendly or not. It probably is OK since it's a German owned hotel. It is a little off the normal route since it's across the river from the Kremlin and NF/CF Of the three Marriott's, the Aurora/Royal is probably the nicest. It is in a very central location, BUT it isn't very close to a metro stop if that matters. The Grand is nice and is close to the Mayakovskaya metro stop and is right on Tverskaya close to several clubs and lineups. The Tverskaya has very nice rooms and is the least expensive of the three but it is a little farther from a metro stop and doesn't have an executive lounge(I think!) NF is an easy walk from the Grand or the Aurora, but a little far from the Tverskaya. CF is a 100 ruble car ride(not a regular taxi) or a 5-10 ruble metro ride from any of the hotels.

musketeer... Posting pictures of working girls is a personal decision. Obviously, some people have been burned by a girl if and when it gets back to them that their picture is posted. Personally, I do not post pictures of non-working girls and I do not take clandestine pictures without the girl's specific agreement. Unfortunately, some of the people that see the pictures do not have the sense to keep quiet about seeing a girl's picture and it can complicate an adventure with a working girl.

OTOH, I think pictures are very important for someone thinking about traveling to a new country... especially one like Russia that can be more of a hassle, than say Thailand or Brazil, to visit due to the visa requirements. I probably would never have visited Russia in the first place if it wasn't for some of the pictures of Russian working girls that were posted on other sites.

jb2K... at the risk of offending someone... here's your pic of the day.

samwise,

CA_T is right on with his reviews of those hotels, here are a couple of notes from my end:

Baltshug Kempinski: has a disco in the same building, the Cabana. This club plays mostly "black" music like hip hop etc. if that's your thing and has working girls there that range from $100 upwards. One of the hottest chicks I've ever had I trawled out of there for $100. This isn't reason alone to go there as there are lots of other places to pick up working girls and the one you get or whats available on any particular night is a matter of luck and the market, but I liked it.

Marriotts: if price is a concern, the Marriott Tverskaya is as good as the others with the disadvantage that it is not within walking distance of the center, unless you like walking. It is a good 35 minute walk to Red Square from the Marriott Tverskaya. If you really want to be center, than either of the other two are fine, the flagship Aurora being closer to the luxury shopping areas. Probably the Marriott Grand is the best compromise between price and location.

Distance in Moscow: is best measured by taxi drive time. One of the best things about Moscow is riding by taxi at night, the drive over the bridges past the Kremlin for example are breathtaking. So don't let distance disturb you to much. The only major hotels I don't recommend is anything out by Sheremetyevo (30 minutes out of town) or the Renaissance, which is also quite far from everything.

The pictures of Moscow girls of hundreds of dollars is really breathtaking!!?!?!^#

Just a glimpse of Ukrainian.........

nice to have the forum back Jackson ! Whatever it was, your work fixing it is appreciated.

Fellow readers, I shall be in Moscow for 9 days from Monday.
It's my first time and I dont speak russian.

I thought it would be fun to ask these few questions of you all and probably generate a few quality posts for new readers.

1) what single thing must I not miss out trying in Moscow?

2) your best tip regarding safety/law/cons/dangers etc

3) anything you'd like to to get an answer to whilst there?!

I shall post reports of my (as you say) "mongering" and some pics very soon.

DT

PS.
lineups, pay the mamchatka or the girl? dollars/rubles?

Dick Travel,

Wish you the best of luck on your Moscow trip. And thanks again to Jackson for the Forum...am glad it is back online.

To your questions:

1) What shouldn't be missed... besides the tourist stuff like Red Square and riding the Moscow Metro, which are must sees, the mongerer should try Night Flight, Chesterfields (Doug and Martys) and the tochkas (lineups). Three different scenes, all with quality women to be found at prices ranging from $70-300+. And check out one of the main strip clubs like Safari Lodge, Rasputin etc. to get up close and personal to some amazing women...

2) Best tip regarding safety...normal big city smarts and keep your documents in order, i.e. passport and visa registration. Moscow is relatively safe and experienced travellers should have few problems.

3) Anything I'd like to get an answer to... post your experiences! I've done a lot of mongering there, but certainly don't claim to know everything. Other people's experiences are a big value to us all.

4) Mamachka gets paid. Dollars or rubles or, as during my last trip when I realized I was short on dollars, a mix of the two. Dollars is easiest since the prices are grouped as $70, $100 and $150 for tochka girls. The tochka girl gets a tip, called "taxi fare" or present at the end of the night. 300 rubles ($10) is standard, but what you tip is up to you. I usually tip between 300 and 500 rubles depending on service, chemistry, mood etc.

I have read in several excellent postings here the system with line ups/tochkas in and around Moscow. And the thorough information of CF/Doug and Marty's Boar House. Invaluable information for a sex hungry visitor, thanks.

But here's my problem: my natural habits and the activities and schedule in the tourist group with which I will be visiting Moscow do not allow me to stay as late as seems to be required to enjoy the above mentioned paid-sex possibilities. I can not go hunting after midnight, I cannot stay up till the wee hours. I shall have my own free time in the day only, lets say from 14.00. till 20.00.
What has Moscow for me to offer here ? Me: a man who likes nice young ladies and is ready to pay the current price.

The line up girls: do they all rest in the day ? Could some mamochka send a girl to my hotel if I called her ? I could even take a taxi and fetch the girl if needed. Does anyone have any telephone numbers ? I can manage Russian enough to do all such talking. On my last trip I visited a small brothel in a house of blocks. The telephone number I randomly picked from the paper "Znakomstvo dla vseh". That paper is full of agencies' and brothels' advertisements. I shall visit one or two of those places anyway in my future trip ( they work 24 hours ) - but would be grateful to receive comments from you experts concerning my "daytime problem".

Musketeer,

Your problem is a common one. Moscow really comes alive after dark I'm afraid. The tochkas don't "open" until about 8 or 9 in the evening, according to the taxi drivers I've asked. I think for afternoon and early evening sex you have the following options:

1) salons
A good place to get addresses is www.dosug.nu. This site is also full of on call girls who also work afternoons.

2) internet on call girls
The www.dosug.nu site lists dozens of these, with pictures of the actual girls (although the dyevs are made up for the pictures, actual condition may vary). The site has been recommended several times in this forum.
Another site is http://www.love.mail.ru/category/1500.html where the girls are likely cheaper and where quality will vary wildly. Selection is large though. Choose your city on the left hand side of the webpage and dozens of girls will pop up.

You'll need very basic Russian to maneuver through these, but there is almost always a mobile number there.

3) note phone numbers of girls you've had before.
Although part of the charm of p4p girls is always getting something new, there are some advantages to using the same girl more than once. She'll likely do more, the GFE will be more "realistic" and you may get discounts. I've even gotten freebies this way, even though "free" is always associated with some sort of compensation such as dinner, gifts etc. But it feels free anyway...:)

4) Maybe try the personal ads in the Moscow Times that advertise "escort any time" etc. These girls have gotten mixed reviews in this forum, but most speak English and are available in the afternoons.

This is exactly the main problem with Moscow and all the other places except a very very few in the world!
You just waste so much time and energy just to reach the surface if you can ever manage over the awful traffic jam! I mean I wonder when the Russians will learn how to drive fast and without bumping into each other!??!
In the end you'll be ripped off and survive only on the surface.If you have a special interes only in Russians,you can find plenty of them and the most beautiful ones in Northern Cyprus(Lefkose and Girne) and in Istanbul for a max. of $100 per night without having to show any effort in the snow and heavy cold^#

vegamars... you lost me some where along the way!

doc... very good advice on both postings. I'd add www.omen.ru for another internet option. I've had very good success on one or two of the MT ads. Some will even bring a book to you so allow you to pick a girl before hand.

Plus, another daytime option is a banya or sauna. They'll typically bring girls in for you and it can be fun. Unfortunately I don't have any recommendations.

Also, I can't believe you pay so much for "taxi" money! I guess I'm just too cheap and I only give them a 100 rubles since they can go anyplace in Moscow for "sto" rubles.

One last safety tip... never go to a girl's apartment with her and never leave your drink unattended!

jb2K... here's your long delayed pic of the day...

I'm headed back to Moscow on Wednesday so there will be a brief hiatus on the pics... Although maybe there will be some new options available on my return!

i just say www.gia.com.ua if you insist on getting merely along the surface!!!

vegamars:
Moscow in winter is great... a totally different city than the one in summer. Both seasons are very interesting and have their charms. And I prefer Russian women in their own country. I wouldn't fly to Brazil to fuck a Thai girl so I don't want to fly to Turkey or Cyprus for Russian girls... just my preference. :) The very best sex I've had in Russia is with girlfriends. If you have the time to explore this market in Russia, it is the best one. As for Ukrainian girls, I've got a Ukrainian girlfriend in Moscow, even though I am certainly not her only boyfriend since I met her at a tochka...:) cheers!

Ca_T:
I'll check out a banya on my next trip. I am usually totally occupied with work and/or any number of girlfriends while in Moscow so I don't get to try out a lot of the other pleasant aspects of the city. Thanks for the tip.

Speaking of tips, the 300-500 rubles I pay as taxi fare to the girls is obviously meant as a tip as you are certainly right, 100 rubles will get you almost anywhere within the city, unless you are heading out to the outskirts. I've tipped as low as 100 rubles for average service and as high as 500. 300 is standard though, I'll usually only tip 500 if I don't have any smaller bills left and don't want to seem cheap... :)

Enjoy yourself in Moscow and thanks for all the pics you post... I think they express one of the great things about Russian beauty... the variety!

Thank you Dr Skank for your comments. I am not asskissing when
I say that you and CA traveler have kept us occasional visitors more than informed on the capital sex scene.
Awaiting M Gage to join the league - his posting on line-ups of April 2003 is a legendary one, with "Black Saturday" description and all.

My last trip is from the beginning of this year. The small brothel that I mentioned in my last posting cost me RUB 2000,- / 2 hours.
Traditional sex with one girl. A friend said that he last week paid RUB 3000,- / 2 hours. Inflation must be the explanation, or then his poor Russian language put him to pay some extra. I will soon find out myself when I come to the great capital.

Not to anyone particular:

I've got a Russian girlfriend in Cyprus, one in St Petersburg, two Russian girlfriends in Kiev, many more Russians in Istanbul, so I think Moscow is definitely the best place to live

Musketeer,

The WSG forum has helped me a lot in the past so I try to return the favour as best I can. Do hope that others follow suit and post their experiences and information here.

Good luck all!

Actually ass-kissing works well for me... especially if she's about 5'9", slender and blonde! :)

Just remember... at one point, everyone is a newbie and an occasional visitor!

I'm back guys, but unfortunately any email sent to michaelgage@mail.ru was washed away with their new spam changes. Please resend.

I'm sorry if I left anyone hanging, but I've been swamped lately without time to play.

I've an asian friend out there, and if you are reading I need to speak with you. I've no email.

Vegamars:

Can you post about your experience with Russian girls in Istanbul, maybe in the Turkey section... I go there every now and then, I'm somewhat familiar with the scene.

First of all I must say that I'm really amazed by all the incredible amount of information in this forum! I think I'll never have the time to read it all, but it's interesting.

I see that many of you are interested in tochki. They work all day long, but not in the center. If you go to Khimki or far away on Leningradskiy Pr. you'll see them, even at 3 o'clock in the afternoon.

Dear all.

Here is my first report being filed from an internet cafe in Moscow.

Well I am trying to try all the various options you guys have kindly posted info on to date. Here are my experiences and thoughts to date.

Tocka.

With some intrepidation as a non russian speaker I flagged a taxi at about 0100 on a Tuesday near Lubyanka metro. Although his English was limited, he had more than I had russian and we got by. He spent about 3 mins chattiong to another taxi with much arm waving and I guessed they were dicussing the various tochkas open for business and how to find them. Also how to get back to the private apartment I am renting.
We then set off and surpise to me we stoped about 200 yards up the hill,(teatralinksy prospect i think), he said with hand signals demonstrating various female proportions what I understood to be "large/small breasts, tall/short?, 70/100/150$" etc. Then he got out and spoke with the mamachka. No 70$ girls but a $100 came over from the rear of a Lada, just one girl, but i guess it was late. Well she was fine for me and I paid $100 and off we went.

Over the next junctions and a police car puled out and waved us in "how suspicious" I thought. Well they checked my ID and were quite happy with my passport copy and letter from my visa registration agent. But, "Sir, Misssster, ahemm, biiig biiig problem, girl mosocw registration not, girl com to police station" I can't say she looked worried, she was chatting with the cabbie and smoking while the cops talked to me. I said to the Police, "is there another way?" They talked to each other, I took the taxi driver aside and said with grin "dollaru?". The police came over and said "ok you must pay fine now or girl goes station" I said "ok' To my amusement as i pulled out my dollars he almost panicked and said "please, please take seat in car" Ha ha. Corruption fine if not seen I thought. Well $20 and 300rbls changed hands and they were happy and i was pleased i still had a girl.

Is this the going rate for bribes?

At the apartement we chatted over a beer. She was 22, slim, pretty faced with blue eyes and long blonde hair. ass to die for. Small but nice breasts. After a shower together we played on the sofa then to the bed.

I wont go into graphioc details but we enjoyed BBBJ, Full covered intercourse and lots of kissing and cuddling. A nice experience.

In the morning i awoke about 0900 and we had slow sideways sex again. She left about 10am with a $10 tip.

I like tockas !

Last night I tried Night Flight. As I am not a rich man i found it quite pricey. 600rbls entry mid week.

I arrived around 0030, it's a nice club and as I walked in I immediatly noticed the many many sexy girls milling about dressed very nicely indeed. They also noticed me and i felt like a million dollars as many eyes looked me over. Alas this was because the eyes saw only dollars ;-)

As soon as i had a drink two gorgeous girls came and said hi and were immediatly touching me and allowing my arm to slip around and hand to fall on ass etc. Soon prices were discussed and they would only come as a pair for $200 each. Out of my league and not negotiable. They are also good with conversation, checking out your job, hotel etc and jusging your financial situation !

When I declined both one asked for $50 to go away as she had spent time chatting. I had bought them a drink etc. My oh my, imagine having to pay a car dealer for not buyinh his car because he had failed to sell it to you !

Anyway to cut a very long post. I ended up with Alya, 24, tall 6ft, slim, medium breasts and seemed nice. Settled at $200 and she came back to the flat (taxi was $20, is this a tourist rip off or ok at 0100+)

We chatted and then sex. It was ok but a bit too proffesional if you understand. Covered BJ etc. After i came she went to shower and so did I, then she dressed said had to go. Also suddenly her excellent english became "im sorry not understand, speak only russian" She had only stayed about 2 hours max. I showed surprise but to be honest didnt care really, she had changed and the atmosphere was dead. She even bulked at my tip wanting more, she didnt get it. i gave her 100rubles.

I stuck my head in Doug and Martys, but didnt stay, will go back now i found it.

Now Im off to a tocka, more soon.

Dick Travel -

As I'm reading a similar local forum site "http://sextalk.ru/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=cls_mos_str", I can tell you that the usual bribe for bailing the girl out is around 500 RUR, so I think you've paid a reasonable price.

Also, the locals say some tochkas cooperate with the police and let the near patrol know as soon as you leave with the girl. There are some ways to work-around that - ask the girl to lay down on the back seat, so she wouldn't be seen from outside, or set with te driver to meet few junctions away and take the girl there by foot.

Anyway I still think the tochkas are the best way to pick up girls of the same quality as in any of the other places (CF, call-out) for a very reasonable price even with the bribe included.

Barmer

DT... where to begin. First of all, the lineup that the driver took you to is one of the worst in Moscow. I know you were in his hands, but as an example, I went to one on the garden ring on Thursday night and there must have been 80 girls there in all catagories. True it was 2300, but I've been to the lineup that you went to twice and both times they had about 6-10 girls max.

I don't know how long you'll be in Moscow, but if you want to email me with your number, I'll call you and give you the exact locations of two good lineups that you can walk to from CF. I'll check to see if I have your email and if so, I'll give you my number so you can call me.

BTW, CF is so packed on F & S that it's difficult to work. I suggest hitting it on Sunday to Thursday for best results. Monday is usually very good there.

As you discovered, NF is a nice place to look, but for the best GFE, the lineups are VERY hard to beat. Remember at CF/NF you are renting the girls by the hour and they are keeping a close watch on the time... at the lineup you basically own her until morning. 90+% of the LU girls will provide BBBJ vs. about 10-20% of the club girls.

Have fun...

californiatraveler@hotmail.com

Hey guys,

CA Traveler: How you doing? I'm sure having much fun in Russia. I had to change my plans to travel to Moscow for mid-October instead of the 1st due to college work. I am kind a upset about it since I am really anxious to experience what you all talk about so much. Wow, it sounds to me that the Line Ups are the best choice for keeping a girl for a long time. I thought NF was supposed to be the same way. Nevertheless, I did scroll down to some recent postings on NF and they sound negative. I guess the best way to find out about all this places is to visit them when I get there.

By the way, do you guys know if there is a lot of risk in getting a decease or something? I mean, I am sure that these girls sleep with a lot of people. Have any of you had any problems??

Eddie123

Dick, I really enjoyed reading about your experiences. The militia stopped me getting in a taxi at CF. I was getting ready to take a young lady back to the hotel. If I recall correctly I spent 300 rubles which is less than $10. If you paid 300 Rubles AND $20 I think you could have negotiated a lower rate. One thing I learned at this forum is not to be intimidated by the police. They only want to pick up a few extra bucks. 200-600 rubles seemed to be the going rate for a bribe when I did my research.

I'm glad you have the balls, as a non-Russian speaker, to go to a tochka. I didn't visit a tochka and I deeply regret it. I enjoyed CF a great deal but didn't like the atmosphere or prices at NF. Its definitely worth a visit though.

I'm planning on going back to Russia (St. Pete this time) in May. I can't wait. But for now I'm making my first trip to Argentina in a few weeks.

Looking forward to reading about your experiences in Moscow. Hope you post some more.

Dick Travel,

all right, good long report.

Tochkas: One thing to remember, even though you sounded like you got a good girl at your tochka, is that if you don't find what you want, go to another tochka. The taxi drivers are used to this. If you see nothing after 3 or 4 tochkas however you should probably take what you can get or cut your losses and go home lonely as this is a sign that the city's sex supply for the night is drying up. Also late at night you may find the pickings exceedingly slim.

The tochkas seem to have gotten really popular lately in this forum, quite frankly with me too.

Bribes: Usually 300 will be well enough, but if they insist then 500. You should never have to pay more than that, that is already a pretty high bribe for a relatively petty issue.

Chesterfield's vs. Night Flight: I think the price-performance ratio in CF is better, but NF remains an absolute must see for all newbies. Though the quality of women there seems to have slipped in terms of faces there, most bodies are still top notch and it can be somewhat overwhelming on good nights. NF girls go for $200+ and it seems to me judging from the forum that the girls are very professional. CF girls are also professional, but at least you are only paying $100 and should never pay more really. My luck at CF with GFE and overall performance has been mixed, but I never felt too bad if things didn't go perfectly as $100 is a fair price for an all-nighter. 90% of the time performance has been at least satisfactory though, I can't recall any "disasters". BTW: ALL NF and CF girls should stay over night for there respective $100 and $200+ prices, that is if you want them too. I usually like girls to stay but have also had one or two that I just wanted to kick out.

I also like the fact that CF is better lit than NF and you can get a better look at the girls, limiting the surprise effect when you get her in the light. The girls don't actively approach customers at CF whereas they do in NF. For shy guys, NF might be more fun. At CF you usually will have to approach the girls. The atmosphere at CF is usually livelier though in my opinion, although the club is dirtier than the upscale NF.

Tochka girls will always stay overnight and in my opinion (seconding Ca_T) they do offer the better GFE experience and for me the GFE is a very important factor in most but not all encounters.

Did you pay the girls $50 for their "chat time" at NF? I've never heard of this scam there before. Most girls will try to establish very early if you are going to be a prospective buyer or if you are just there on safari as I most often am.


$20 is way too much for a taxi. Outside clubs the prices do go up, but for destinations in the center never pay this much.

Zdrastvuitje all !

See what 6 days does for me, I'm learning!

Thanks for your thoughts, answers and all follwing my report from here in Moscow.

Well, I'm glad to hear I got that bribe about right. I think my staying cool helped me. I made sure i didnt look too worried, asked the taxi driver to come aside for a word and we moved away from the police. The cabbie of course rabbited at me in Russian which i didnt understand but I think my nodding and speaking back plus the international finger/thumb cash gesture made the police think we'd had a meaningful chat and that I wasnt the totally naive Brit first timer ripe for a mega bribe.
Immediatly after, the cop asked me "you must pay fine now ok?"
Had i not read this forum in advance I would have, shall we say, required bicyle clips for my trousers and a course of immodium.

A funny happenned today in the Lenin mausaleum queue re police bribes. There was a commotion near the front and it appeared two police were checking a Japanese womans papers. One had her passport in hand another started dragging her screaming to the car.
Well behind me were about 25 Japanese men bedecked with nikon etc, well they all started shouting japanese and advance purposefully on the police, the woman ran back to her friends and the police made it away in the car with the fist waving Japs shouting after them. See its true how week the individual citizen is compared to the collective , tee hee hee.

Went to tockas again friday eve. Good driver and he took me to 3, the first two making growling/howling noises and dog gestures alongside "net 10$ net net net" before driving off again.
At number 3 I chose a pretty girl from about 30 100$ girls. He had her lay down and we took a complex route away from the line up. I think he is police stop savvy.
All good until we got back to mine, then he asked a huge fare. I bulked at it as we had agreed 10$. He made to drive off with me saying "ok we go police" etc. Argument, settled when i succeeded in appearing sorry but i have no more cash and showing him empty wallet. (keep cash in a few places on you not all in wallet wherever you take a tourist wander)

The girl was a bit dissapointing figure wise but a pretty face going up and down is still good. She didnt stay all night but I didnt mind. We had sex etc and chatted with phrase book but it was frustrating.

I now know that a girl should stay all night. I think perhaps the more experience know they can get away with going (and can read newbies). The first girl Katya i think was maybe newish, she had some bruising etc, perhaps from the initial business decribed in another post. She stayed and was compliant. I think i might show a bit more determination and be a bit more "using" in my approach. A little immediate groping in the car etc, placing myself in control early? Advice?

Ok well I must go as this internet hour is running out. Apologies for the off the head writing style. I'll tidy up and post a final thoughts report on return to blighty.

I might go for a beer and safari at D+M's now, then maybe a tocka.
Dolars running short , home wednesday.

Any more thoughts apreciated.

California, I might call you, cheers for the private mail.

DT live in Moscow.

I generally do not like calling girls from "agencies" as they tend to be quite expensive. However a good one is www.nightcat.ru. The telephone number is on the website. They don't have all the pictures of the girls working there so ask the "despatcher" and she will give you more details. Prices are $70 for 2 hours, $100 for 3 and $150 for the night (6 hours). They will send you 2 girls and you can pick which one you like better. If you don't like any of them you can send them back - no charge and no problem at all. They even call you back later to see if they can send you some more girls to look at.

Chesterfields in my humble opinion is going down - the number of good looking babes are decreasing and most of them are trying to charge $150 for the night or want $100 for 2-3 hours. Standard pricing for me in CF is $100 for the whole night.

Otherwise the Tochkas are probably the best value for money - $100 for the whole night and some realy fresh talent.

Another good option is to get to get 2 or 3 of your friends and then you each pick up a working girl and bring them back to your apartment (assuming you have 2-3 bedrooms). In that way you can swap the babes after 2-3 hours. After 5-6 hours you have done 3 chicks but only paid for 1. Most of the chicks don't have a problem with this.

hello all.

i'm back home and far from mossow :-( it was a very interesting 10 days in many ways. of course i did do all the famous sights as well as "do" the less famous sights which this board covers!

to be honest the chatting with the girls albeit frustratingly slow with phrase books at times was as much fun as the sex at times and certainly gave me a chance to learn much more about russia, life, work, play, money etc. an education and thought provoking too.

so, my final experiences are below for you and then i shall try and sum up.

following my last post i recieved e-mail from "california traveller" whom you will know as a regular here. we met up in doug and marty's. for those looking for it it is more or less opposite the kurskaya metro. it's a low building, kind of shack like with steps at the right. i say this as there is no huge sign !

d+m's is a great, as we say in britain "spit and sawdust" kind of bar. it has a nice atmosphere and also serves great food at good prices. (especially 50% before 9pm). a mix of locals and ex-pats and for me a great haven to go to for a chat in my language and some nosh !

although i didnt engage in any action with the girls there, there were certainly some beauties wandering and within a few minutes observation one can distinguish the workers. it is true they will not approach you here.

california gave me some good advice here which i seriously reccomend. you do not need to take a car to a tochka, you can walk up. (maybe best with taxi first time so you are comfortable with what to expect) leaving d+m's turn left and within a couple of minutes you will see 2 beacon girls and 2 car's with cb antennas on the opposite side of the road. walk down the respective side streets and you will find the tochkas. thanks ct- had a good time...

monday night:
walked up to tochka close to d+m. asking "zdrastvuitje, do you speak english?" resulted in a "moment" and a woman running off into the dark, she returned with another girl whom i assumed to be another mamatchka (there seem to be a few? can anyone advise on the finer workings of these places?). so she coupled arms with me and asked "what kind of girl you like? or you can have me!" i assumed she was jesting and wandered along the line of about 20+ girls at 100$ mark. it is certainly a bit of a turn on just choosing like this up close with eye contact. (i'd stayed in the car before) as i returned along the line and gestured to a girl the one on my arm asked again "how many girls you want, *grin*i speak english, take me?". i said "i thought you were the boss, i can take you?"-looking into her smiling eyes.

anyway, she was just one of the girls and attractive too; about 5'5, neck length blonde hair and curvy with nice breasts showing under her tight sweater.

i paid the mamatchka and we walked away.

there are two advantages now: 1) no immediate risk of police stop and bribe, you can walk along the main road before flagging a car. 2) get the girl to stop any car rather than a taxi and negotiate the russian price-no tourist rip off.

well we bought some stella artois and headed home. nice chat, lots of cuddling. cbj, shame but thats fine, there is a risk and the girl should have the choice! i like to go down on girls, to feel them squirm with pleasure really turns me on. i found all girls quite happy for that to happen. later, mid sex she suddenly leapt up pulling the duvet cover onto the floor and leading me to stand on it before she knelt before me and well shall we say she'd be a good head banger ! aahh memories, grin ! after a few positions finally sat straddling her chest she allowed me to cum on her chest. none of the tochka girls had a problem with such, although facial seemed to be a no no.

her name was anya, 26 years old and a student. she was happy for me to take her picture (clothed) see below. she didnt stay all night but i was happy with that. i paid her a bit more than the car home cost and there ended a happy night.

there was one more lineup girl before i came home. very slim and pretty. arse to due for. intelligent ! we bought some wine and chatted lots finding that we actually had a lot in common. the sex was a very gfe indeed and we talked more after. in fact natalya (23) made my trip. whilst joking about and using a phrase book and signage to communicate i commented on the police bribing me before and with shaking head said "bad". it turned out she too had been in the police, training and running 5 police dogs. she left because it paid 2500 rubles a month. about 83$ or £55. even if she meant a week, you can see the problem. we agreed the police are not so bad, just trying to scrape a living like many muscovites. so some girls give up ok careers to turn to prostitution, not to live well, just to live better.

of the 100$ i paid for her she told me she got 1300rbl (43$), the mamatchka got 100rbl ($3.3) and the mafia the other $54.

now cynics may suggest she was a damm good actress working for the tidy tip i gave her. i don't believe so. in fact i thought she was going to refuse my tip. i'd been will

hello all.

i'm back home and far from mossow :-( it was a very interesting 10 days in many ways. of course i did do all the famous sights as well as "do" the less famous sights which this board covers !

to be honest the chatting with the girls albeit frustratingly slow with phrase books at times was as much fun as the sex at times and certainly gave me a chance to learn much more about russia, life, work, play, money etc. an education and thought provoking too.

so, my final experiences are below for you and then i shall try and sum up.

following my last post i recieved e-mail from "california traveller" whom you will know as a regular here. we met up in doug and marty's. for those looking for it it is more or less opposite the kurskaya metro. it's a low building, kind of shack like with steps at the right. i say this as there is no huge sign !

d+m's is a great, as we say in britain "spit and sawdust" kind of bar. it has a nice atmosphere and also serves great food at good prices. (especially 50% before 9pm). a mix of locals and ex-pats and for me a great haven to go to for a chat in my language and some nosh !

although i didnt engage in any action with the girls there, there were certainly some beauties wandering and within a few minutes observation one can distinguish the workers. it is true they will not approach you here.

california gave me some good advice here which i seriously reccomend. you do not need to take a car to a tochka, you can walk up. (maybe best with taxi first time so you are comfortable with what to expect) leaving d+m's turn left and within a couple of minutes you will see on the opposite side of the road, 2 beacon girls and 2 car's with cb antennas. walk down the respective side streets and you will find the tochkas. thanks ct- had a good time...

monday night:
walked up to tochka close to d+m. asking "zdrastvuitje, do you speak english?" resulted in a "moment" and a woman running off into the dark, she returned with another girl whom i assumed to be another mamatchka (there seem to be a few? can anyone advise on the finer workings of these places?). so she coupled arms with me and asked "what kind of girl you like? or you can have me!" i assumed she was jesting and wandered along the line of about 20+ girls at 100$ mark. it is certainly a bit of a turn on just choosing like this up close with eye contact. (i'd stayed in the car before) as i returned along the line and gestured to a girl the one on my arm asked again "how many girls you want, *grin*i speak english, take me?". i said "i thought you were the boss, i can take you?"-looking into her smiling eyes.
anyway, she was just one of the girls and attractive too; about 5'5, neck length blonde hair and curvy with nice breasts showing under her tight sweater.
i paid the mamatchka and we walked away.
there are two advantages now: 1) no immediate risk of police stop and bribe, you can walk along the main road before flagging a car. 2) get the girl to stop any car rather than a taxi and negotiate the russian price-no tourist rip off.
well we bought some stella artois and headed home. nice chat, lots of cuddling. cbj, shame but thats fine, there is a risk and the girl should have the choice! i like to go down on girls, to feel them squirm with pleasure really turns me on. i found all girls quite happy for that to happen. later, mid sex she suddenly leapt up pulling the duvet cover onto the floor and leading me to stand on it before she knelt before me and well shall we say she'd be a good head banger ! aahh memories, grin ! after a few positions finally sat straddling her chest she allowed me to cum on her chest. none of the tochka girls had a problem with such, although facial seemed to be a no no.

her name was anya, 26 years old and a student. she was happy for me to take her picture (clothed) see below. she didnt stay all night but i was happy with that. i paid her a bit more than the car home cost and there ended a happy night.

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tuesday night:

there was one more lineup girl before i came home. very slim and pretty. arse to due for. intelligent ! we bought some wine and chatted lots finding that we actually had a lot in common. the sex was a very gfe indeed and we talked more after. in fact natalya (23) made my trip. whilst joking about and using a phrase book and signage to communicate i commented on the police bribing me before and with shaking head said "bad". it turned out she too had been in the police, training and running 5 police dogs. she left because it paid 2500 rubles a month. about 83$ or £55. even if she meant a week, you can see the problem. we agreed the police are not so bad, just trying to scrape a living like many muscovites. so some girls give up ok careers to turn to prostitution, not to live well, just to live better.

of the 100$ i paid for her she told me she got 1300rbl (43$), the mamatchka got 100rbl ($3.3) and the mafia the other $54.

now cynics may suggest she was a damm good actress working for the tidy tip i gave her. i don't believe so. in fact i thought she was going to refuse my tip. i'd been willing to blow 150$ that night, so she got the spare $50.

(does anyone else have details on how the lineups operate, the business side, the pay etc?)

so an excellent night, a new penpal perhaps and a better insight into reality of the tochka girls. we are not stupid gentlemen but it is easy to put to the back of our minds the ethical issues in our hobby. the sex trade will always exist i feel. we must at least owe it to ourselves to think it over and if we choose to indulge in this hobby, to treat the girls fairly, properly and with respect.

so another long post with a serious end. sorry!

moscow has much to offer and nothing beats just going there and trying things. experience is the answer to all our questions. this forum provided many handy tips. my hat is off to all contributors. i shall repay by answering any questions i can, albeit through my hit and run experience!

enough.

dick travel

CT, Doc and Moscow experts,

Please explain why car rental in Moscow is almost never broached on the board. Why is it taboo? Seems to me if a monger is comfy with Cyrillic, a world class driver and interested in tochkis, car rental could be rewarding. Or am I completely mistaken? I’ve checked out rental rates for Ladas and Skodas, compared with taxi rates and lingo barriers, they sound inviting. Especially if two mongers hook up, with the aggressive driver on the wheel, and his partner in crime navigating to the better tochkis.

I mean are traffic police adamantly bent on pulling over cars with rental plates for imaginary violations like I heard, what’s your take on this? Perhaps what’s more worrisome to me than reckless Russian drivers, or diligent traffic cops, are unmarked, and double named streets that’ll put a damper on one’s adventurous prowess every time. Would you give your expert opinion and advise on the subject?

Oh, one last thing, please say that tockis are here to stay, for they sound like the best alternative and value for the diengui. Wouldn’t want some over zealous, conservative politician to clean them out before some of us can get there and partake.

I forgot, here is the photo of Anya, 26. lineup girl

Dick Travel, a very informative and interesting report. Hope you won't forget (hint, hint) to post Anya's picture.

Fenster re: car rental. There is so much red tape in Russia I don't think I'd rent a car there. What if you were in an accident? Dealing with the police, rental agency, insurance company, and other car's driver would be difficult at best. Taxis are pretty costly but divided by two makes them even more practical.

Friend's ,

Shall be in Radisson ,Moscow Tuesday 30th Sept - Saturday 4th October. Any WSG mate wanna meet for a drink ?

Dick Travel,

Good report, glad you had a good time.

The price structure your girl Natalya told you is accurate. It has been posted here on this forum before several months back as well and also corresponds with what the girls have told me.

This makes the situation with CF girls charging $150 for a night even more ridiculous, since they get to keep all the money and don't split it with anybody else, so I'm told. If anyone knows something to the contrary, please correct me.

ScanMan2 is absolutely right about CF, attitude among some of the girls has changed. Really nobody should be paying $150 there. Please guys, lets keep it at $100! Just a year or two ago the girls were happy with $70!

I still recommend CF though, it can be fun, and sometimes I enjoy the atmosphere a lot. As always though, mongering is more fun with a wingman, it makes conversation with the dyevs easier too and helps set a good mood for the evening. I find it extremely important to be in a good confident mood in order to set the stage for a great GFE night.

Fenster:
You've got an interesting idea, but I really don't see the point of renting a car in Moscow if you are on a short term stay. I've driven everywhere from Rome to Paris and am not afraid of traffic per se, but I've seen so many accidents in Moscow that I personally really wouldn't want to take the risk. You can be the best driver in the world and still some New Russian in his new BMW X5 will plow right into you because you should've been smart enough to recognize he ALWAYS has the right of way, or you could be the victim of some aging Volga Duma staff car turned taxi with virtually no brakes... either way, even a fender bender is a nightmare for you and your holiday is on hold until the paperwork is sorted out... besides, taxis are really cheap unless you are driving all over the place all day long... and in that case maybe you should just hire a driver. The taxi drivers are probably much better at finding the tochki than you would be anyway. And then there is always of course the traffic police... I understand the desire of having true mobility, but I personally don't think it is worth the potential hassle if you are just on a short stay. Just my two bits on that topic.

Taxi fare: remember, you shouldn't be paying more than 50 for short trips and 100 rubles for medium size trips....and that at the very most. Outside of discos and especially expat hangouts the drivers will ask for more. 30m down the street you are back to normal Russian prices. Bargain hard, you will almost always win.

As for tochki, I expect they'll be around for awhile. I hope so. I do dread the day when Moscow becomes a "normal" city. Hope it never comes.

What do you need a car for in Moscow, when you can't get anywhere day or night? It doesn't make much difference whether you mingle with the traffic jam in a car or a taxi, if you ever manage to find one. I would recommend Arbat Place all the time, there there's no problem at all, you're on your own for wandering around!

DT... glad you had a good time! Sorry I could join you on your walk that last Tuesday!

fenster... IMHO, it is crazy to even consider renting a car. OTOH, if you want your own car, rent a car and a DRIVER. That way he will be responsible if the DPS pulls him over or if he has an accident. Plus, unless you know Moscow very well you will be in a mess trying to read the signs to get around. I would love to have my own car, but the risk is not worth the benefits. Skank, MD is exactly right... the rules are very different in Russia when it come to driving!

Just returned from an 11-night visit to Moscow... Since I had a busy schedule, I only visited the lineups on a few occasions. :(

However, one Thursday night at my favorite lineup near CF, I counted 50 girls in the $100 category and 20 in the $150... So, there was no question that the girls were available.

Due to my schedule I wound up calling in girls from the service. Interesting situation here... The going price was $200, but the girls were outstanding and very service oriented. Unfortunately, the girls would not allow pictures.

I also noticed that CF was really going strong during the week. Friday and Saturday were so busy, IMHO it isn't even worth going.

The new Hard Rock Cafe on the Old Arbat opened while I was there, but it is yet to be seen if they allow the working girls in. The food is good though and the hamburgers are the best in Moscow!

jb2K, Forgot to take pictures with my first lineup girl, but managed one other 19 y.o. girl from the Ukraine who was only in town for 3 weeks before she heads back home. I love to get these new girls in town for a short period... They offer the ultimate GFE, IMHO.

CA Traveller

Welcome back, glad you had a good time too- nice catch in your photo too !

That's a lot of girls at that lineup. Following your advice I walked up to both those tochkas near Chesterfields.

For future visitors the nearest of the two is literally just down a side street and in amongst a back lane / buildings. Must have been around 25+ 100$ girls when I was there after midnight on a Monday. It was actually a bit dark to see until a car pulled in !

The second is about 5 mins walk from the beacon girl down a long curving road across a junction and into a largish yard. (almost behind the railway station) There was a second car (plus CB) parked near the yard entrance - easy to see where you are going. At this one there was another 25+ girls again quite a while after midnight on a Tuesday.

Regarding an earlier post about prices and maybe Chesterfields going up. I suggest we remain discrete about our other hunting grounds when with any one girl. Afterall a Chesterfields girl who hasnt heard of NF might decide to check it out, get talking and the word spreads, the prices rise.

Likewise maybe tochka girls will become interested in Chesterfields and flood the market with lower quality girls at 100$ pushing the best ones upwards to $200.
I think its a good situation now with basically 3 seperate arenas to hunt in, different atmospheres and prices to suit different mongerers. Lets not mix them up if we can help it!

I wonder, and maybe CA Trav can answer this. Do any of the girls let us take the photography a stage further than just nude. Maybe some action shots? I assume this would mean paying some more of course.

DT

Another nice pic, CA. Lineups look more and more to me to be the way to go in Russia.

Glad you are back home safely. I assume you'll be voting in the election next week? If so, I'm encourage you to vote for the stripper.

I headed to Chile and Argentina tomorrow.

Ca_T,

I'll be in Moscow this weekend and suffer the same predicament as you... too little time to support the local dyev economy.

I'm actually meeting a girl from the CF tochka, a busty Ukrainian with a skinny 19-year old ass. A real sweety, doesn't speak a word of English... so she is my fuckbunny tutor...an ideal situation..

...am hoping there is no catch. We agreed to meet privately as girlfriend/boyfriend, I am just hoping the night doesn't end with "by the way, that'll be $100 for services rendered..." I'll know more tomorrow about 3 am.

Hard Rock is open? Good news! I was there about 5 weeks ago and very disappointed to see it very much still under construction. If my sources are correct, Hard Rock is run by the same people who brought us the "original" Hungry Duck (now defunct and metamorphised into something much less appealing) and Chesterfield's/Doug and Marty's.

So maybe there will be a ho-friendly atmosphere? Would be cool if it offered another alternative for mongering in a relatively mongering free neighborghood of Arbat.

doc... yes HRC is partially owned by the same person that did the duck and D&M. However, I've been told that ho's are not going to be welcome, but that may change after the buzz wears off and they try to keep the expats coming after midnight. I have to think it will be difficult to keep the place filled 24/7.

Actually the tochka/language instruction is a great idea. Keep in mind that they'll usually come back away from the tochka for 1/2 the price.

jb2K... stripper... I was actually leaning towards the middleweight sumo wrestler or Gary Coleman! LOL The entire thing is unbelievable... now it's being reported that Davis is planning big time legal challenges if he loses. This will go over real big... kind of like driver's licenses for illegal aliens which gives them access to voter registration!

I'll be waiting with bated breath for your Chile and Argentia reports. I'm headed to Argentina myself in January.

Since we're venturing out of Russia... here's your pic of the day from Hainan Island in China. BTW, she is a natural Chinese hairless!

Hello everyone,

I have a few questions for you all. I finally got my first trip to Moscow set in less than two weeks from now. However, I will be staying downtown in the Marriott Aurora. I am planning to hit all these places that you all recommended, starting with NF. I was wondering if you all could provide me with some directions to follow from the hotel. I have been learning Russian but I know that I still won't be able to conversate with the russians. Do peple at the hotel know directions to these places?

On my 5 days there, I plan to hit NF, Tochka, Safari Lodge. Nevertheless, I don't know if I should ask people at the hotel where the damn titty bars and places to pick up girls are. Maybe I am making a big deal of it but I guess it is my first time there and I don't know jack about what goes on or what the culture is like. Anyways, I would appreciate your inputs.

Eddie123

Ca_T,

Liked the China pic... natural hairless pussy is a great thing. Thanks for posting all your pics, you have a very impressive stock!

I hear you on Hard Rock, they may adopt the same after midnight policy that CF has. Gotta keep the joint full some how. Or maybe they think if they start a second CF with HR, then the original CF will suffer? There are only so many mongering expats in Moscow...

As for my tochka tutor tomorrow, I am still naively believing that it'll be totally free, but we'll see. If I have to pay the mamachka and tochka mafia cut of roughly 60%, I will without moaning. If she tries to get the whole amount, I'll be a littel pissed, but chalk it up to the "rules of the game". For the full amount I'd rather go for something new though. One of the main appeals of p4p action for me is getting something new... getting some "strange" as they say.

Like I said, I'll know more tomorrow... wish me luck!

doc... strange is good!

Also on the HRC, they have high hopes and, I've heard that they're opening a couple or three more in Spb and Riga. So, I think they'll will hold out if possible to keep their standards high.

OTOH, NF has been packed with men lately so maybe there is more demand than we realize.

All - I've enjoyed reading about teh Moscow world, and I'll finally get to go in 2 weeks. However while I'm there a week, I only get 2 nights in the city in a hotel (don't ask). I do not speak a word of Russian, but would like to have some fun. I know it may asking too much. But I really want to meet a Mistress to use me while I'm there. Unfortunatlky, the postings lead me to think most girls / women are sub and not dom.

Any suggestions? Not sure I'm up to a trip to a line up. I figured 1st time have someone come to me (knowing that will cost me more).

Thanks,

DJ

Ca_T,

I am curious about HR, quite a few Hard Rocks in Asia "feature" pros, I agree with you that HR in Moscow will try to stay clean and see if they can still keep the place full. A lot will depend on the food and service obviously.

How many mongerers are there in Moscow... tonight there will be one more! Take it easy and catch you later!

Hi all,

I have been in russia for a few months now and a long detailed report is going to follow soon.

For now, I am planning to go to Volgograd for a few days starting October 7. I am tired of hearing about how good the dveys are out there in Volgograd from all the taxi drivers in Moscow.

One quick tip about picking up amateurs in Moscow/St. Pete's:
Just walk up to them and start talking in rapid fire English-don't ask "Do you speak English"- just start talking-asking directions/etc. If they smile, you'll get their number in the next two minutes. Also, its better to approach girls who are walking in groups of two or three. Safety is a big issue for girls in this country and they feel much safer if they are in a group.

Have to pen off for now, but if some body wants to join in for Volgograd, feel free..

Hi Amistaad,

I have been planning trip to Volgograd for some time, but I keep delaying it for too many reasons to list. I am eager to hear your reports from there though! I have heard little about scene there but I can imagine its not place to go knowing nothing as is case with me. ne govorim russki.

Please enlighten us of your adventure, or regail us with your insights right away! (perhaps to be posted on the "other areas" board?)

I am dying of jealousy! perhaps we can meet there over sauna and vodka sometime in spring next year!

Happy hunting!

Amistaad,

If you have never been to the countryside you must go there and check out personally.
I've not been to Volgograd yet and I'd like to join you if I were in Russia at the moment.

I saw others city on the Volga. You will probably find the general environment not so appealing, with a lot of women not so cute and inspiring. BUT there are occasionally some angels, really stunning girls. The kind of girl you could see in clubs few years ago in Moscow but you can only dream about now in stolichnaya.

Go for them, eat in elegant places, speak russian.

It will be rewarding ;)

Fuck, guys you better watch out if you're black or minority. My buddy just told me a murder case happened a month ago. This African student, Antonio Akudo, was heading home from a party at a university “The Russian University of the Friendship of Nations."
Antonio and his girlfriends were waiting for a bus. She is a local Moscow girl.
Suddenly around the corner came a gang of Skinheads. They first verbal assault them because they couldn't stand that a black guy has a Russian girl. Antonio tried to stand up for himself, then a Skinhead stabs him in the heart. He was 34 at time of death. Nobody was arrested now, what I heard that the cops wouldn’t touch the case, because one less African to worry about for them.
Play safely guys.

Slave Boy

Unfortunatly I have little to offer re finding a "mistress" for your trip except to suggest that a Salon may be worth investigating, or that perhaps any girl will play your game if you ask and pay !

You said you were "not up to" a lineup. If it's just nerves then perhaps this will help. I was in Moscow a few weeks ago 1st time and also speak no Russian. See the earlier post.

The first night of my trip I stopped a taxi, the driver and I shared a laugh over my sign language showing "young woman" and his pidgeon English. It turned out that it wasn't the best lineup we went to but the driver even spoke to the mamatchka for me and I picked a stunner and had a great night.

I'd suggest have a beer in D+M's then walk over to the mentioned lineups perhaps, take a gander. If you feel up to it then just wander up, smile and say "zdrastvuitje, speak English?"

They will help you, in fact ask the lined up girls "who speaks English" the reactions will be funny and show you the more lively girls anyway !

Go for it, you'll be fine and end up smiling, trust me !

Let us know how you get on whatever you do, good hunting.

DT

I am planning a trip to Yaroslav, Russia. It is a decent sized city about a 3.5 hours drive north of Moscow on the Volga river. If anyone has any info on the scene in this area it would be appreciated.

Thanks

Amistad, I was in Volgograd 2 years ago. You must see the huge statue of Mother Russia and the War Museum. Can not remember hotel, think it was Hotel Volgograd (an Intertourist place). Has a nightclub. Need to bring a stick to beat the girls off. Have fun.

Does anyone have any info on 33Girls.com? Seems pricey (350$ 4 hours) I guess you pay for convenience, delivered to your door. Also I’ll be at the Rossia on Sunday, get in late and have an early meeting so I don’t want to go too far. Any thoughts on the hotel or possibilities?

Thanks,

Slave Boy

Although lately general consensus, including my own, has been that the best value for your money is the tochka scene and that NF girls are often too professional in their service for their relatively high price tag of $200+, as well as the tendency of many CF girls to be "withholding" in the amount of passion they'll produce for $100, I feel obliged to comment, for you the WSG reader, on a recent experience at CF (Chesterfields/Doug and Marty's Boar House across the street from Kursky Voksal/Kurskaya Metro Station) I had.

My opinion of CF had been going down in recent months. We all know the place is a bit "basic"...there is certainly nothing truly charming about the interior, the music selection ranges from standard to annoying, the girls vary wildly in quality that very rarely exceeds 6-7 and it can get extremely crowded with loud horny expats which, in spite of the fact that they might be one of your countrymen, can get on your nerves. Not to mention the fact that there is a standard set of working girls that have been there since I started going a couple years back.

However this Wednesday I decided to check it out again, against my better judgement. Little did I know I was about to embark on one of the most memorable ho experiences I have had in recent years.

CF has beer, billiards, sports and young women on the hook. This does make an enticing combination, especially for the expat, since nearly everybody there speaks at least basic English and the expat feels safe. A very clever recipe, ingenious really, as the place packs them in nearly every night in a mildly civilized drinking and groping frenzy. Quite honestly, it really isn't my scene per se, as I have long since wandered into the enticing world of the Russian girlfriend and Russian-speaking establishments. Having a Russian girlfriend or better yet girlfriends is truly rewarding for those who have the time, ability and inclination to do so. But as a sex addict, I also need to get some strange every now and then, and a trip to Moscow without is unspeakable and really a crime in itself. The tochkas, NF and CF offer this experience, often with the much sought after GFE effect.

Entering CF I was happy to see that it was only mildly full. By normal standards you could say it was full, but by CF standards it was only mildly full, meaning you didn't have to fight to get a drink. Immediately I was greeted by no less than 3 previous evenings escorts. Somewhat embarassing actually, but I didn't mind. I also saw another woman I had scored a freebie on a year ago dancing like a maniac on the dancefloor. The year between our encounters hadn't done her much good, but I do remember giving her good scores for effort.

To the point, I was spoken to by a girl named Ira. She was 25 but looked much younger. She was from Rostov-an-Don. Long dark brown hair, brown eyes, a long southern Russian face and a sizzling body. You know what I am talking about. Thin long legs, taut narrow ass, bare flat midriff, perky perfect tits and smooth hairless tanned skin. Later I would learn that her bush was shaved bare and smooth. She claimed to be new and only a part-timer, but she knew several other girls, so I suspect some of you may have seen her before or may encounter her.

I had to work the next day, so I cut to the chase and we went home for the standard (and you should NEVER pay more) $100. Back at the pad, even though she was a nonstop rapidfire chatterbox in Russian of which I understood about 30%, our get- acquainted-make-out-session in the metro had produced a pleasant atmosphere. We got at it right away, and after the obligatory pre-sex blow job and make out session, we boned for awhile before she insisted on giving me a BBBJ. It was quite simply the best I've had in months. We proceeded to try all possible ways to explore oral satisfaction. The standard blow job with me lying down. The head straddling face fuck. Me standing up and fucking her face. And finally I came in her mouth as she blew me while a lied down with what I admit was an incredibly energetic performance on her side, sloppily slurping and sucking and using her hand, what many less skilled girls forget. I wouldn't bother writing about this if I didn't think it was that special.

After an hour of recuperation, we screwed again, including some deep boning from behind until she said it hurt and then almost started crying in shame that she made me stop. Undaunted, we continued with more face fucking and then finally I mounted her in missionary before putting her legs on my shoulders and giving her a lengthy power fuck, which she enjoyed in remarkable spirit.

My point in this is not to brag. I could write a dozen other sex stories if that were the case. The point is that CF still offers a real alternative to the tochkas on a good night. And its got beer and sports. Like your favorite sports bar back home, except with young women willing to fuck you, the sports fan, for $100. Make sure you clear up your "issues", like kissing etc. before selecting. And remember, if you aren't finding something that pleases you, the next tochka is 5 minutes away...

Guys,
Somebody used Sauna clubs in Moscow? How it works? Do they have girls already there or you have to bring someone?

Has anyone had an any experience with this site www.interdevochki.ru ?

Some fine looking ladies ...

traveller
The site is good but only in Russian. There are dozens and dozens excellent sites in Russia and some of them (salons mostly) with English variants. It is much better and cheaper then to pay $200 in CF and other clubs ot dangerous "tochki" One can find girls as cheap as $35 and most are for $50 -70. At summer time I posted some English speaking salons addresses.

Question,

It is a good Idee to go to Moscow in Dezember to have fun? Are there a good selection of Girls in CS/NF. How about the line ups in this time?

Thank you
Swissman

Winter in Russia is very interesting if you haven't experienced it before, Moscow feels like another city. Equally interesting as the summer version but physically uncomfortable. Still it is pretty much business as usual.

The tochki run year round, but there is the disadvantage that the tochki girls are all bundled up and it is hard to really see what they look like. If you are unsure of their body, make them open their overcoat so you can look. They'll do it and are used to it.

CF and NF run normal business.

I haven't spent the actual Russian Christmas holidays in Moscow, maybe someone else can provide more info on this.

Whether or not it is a good idea or not is another question... I wouldn't necessarily choose it as a tourist destination in December...

Hi Guys,

How easy is it to pick up nice normal girls (non-pro's) on the street, or in bars/clubs, say compared with London or Chicago?

Im 30 yo. and thinking about coming to Moscow for a week of fun.

Is just being a Westerner enough to get hot girls interested in you, or do you really have to have good 'pick-up' skills and good looks to suceed?

About Xmas holidays:

Remember that Russians get crazy when it's holiday, they arrange big parties and gather with friends and relatives. They become goal minded and go for crazy shopping and monstrous event-organizations (the dinner for 5 persons at their house, with food and drink for 15 persons more just in case someone else join, situation that of course never happens...).

Many girls from the provinces who can afford the trip go back home. You might feel completely isolated in those days if you don't have Russian friends or you don't find quickly someone who wants to spend the holiday with you. In that case it could be a great experience.

doc and SM... First of all, I'd like to agree in part with doc because Moscow is in fact a much different city in the winter than the other seasons. However, if you dress warmly it can be great because the same talent is available as in the other months you just can't watch the girls walk by in skimpy outfits while you sit in a sidewalk cafe.

When you get to the clubs, the girls drop their coats and they usually are still dressed to the nines with skimpy outfits. Secondly, as doc said, at the lineups you can and should ask them to open their coats. You can even ask to cop a feel with no problem because they want you to be happy. More importantly, the girl is VERY grateful when you pick her and get her out of the cold. Plus, they really don't want to leave because it is cold out there, so you are probably set up for as long as you'd like.

However, the real advantage of the Moscow winter is that the typical warm-blooded hobbiests STAY AWAY, which leaves more pickings for the hard-core Russki lovers.

But, the biggest secret is that the Moscow winters can actually be very warm. I've been told that last year was the coldest winter in the last 5 or 6. So, if you book a trip, pack your long underwear and warm coat and look at it as an adventure.

I've been to Moscow in almost every month and I can tell you that every month is good, but the worst time IMHO is April/early May when everything starts to melt and is sloppy.

To prove my point, I'll be in Moscow at least two weeks for every month for the next year and then I'll be spending 80% of my time there!

Ca_T,

When will you be back in Moscow?

Like you, I love the city year round...

Hello everyone,

I will be leaving to Moscow on Thursday the 23rd of October (one week). Unfortunately, I will only be able to be there for 4 days. I changed my hotel to the Marriott Grand. I have heard you all mention that there is line-ups close to this hotel. Could you all please fill me up on this? Also, what are the locations of the best line-ups to find the best girls.

I would sincerely appreciate anyone's reply to this since I am leaving soon and need all the information that I can get.

Eddie123

CA and DS,

Thang you for your information. I guess i will do this adventure :-)
If somebody are also so crazy to go in Dezember to Moscow, please tell me. I like to hook up for a beer. I will proerly staying in one of the Marriott Hotels.

Take care
Swissman

doc... This trip, I arrive on Oct 24th and leave on November 8. At this point, in December, I arrive on the 2nd and depart on the 15th, but that could change slightly.

Let me know if you'll be around.

Ca_T:

Good to hear from you.

Will do, I got your number. I will be in Moscow the last week of October and again in mid-November. I am usually tied up during the week with GFs and work, but I always keep one evening free for carousing and mongering... Moscow wouldn't be the same for me without the lure of "the strange"...

Swiss Guy:

Glad to hear you're considering a Moscow winter adventure. Between all the mongering, don't forget to check out the city. Careful though, you could very well become addicted to Moscow... :)

Will be in Moscow in December as well, not sure on dates yet. Before you leave be sure to post your contact info, maybe we'll be able to hook up for that beer...

Just an idle thought ...

Has anyone here ever joined one of the mail order bride sites, set up some dates, and then gotten any serious poontang upon arrival in Russia?

Seems like those sites have lots of babes and they all can't be just looking for a husband. Gotta be a few amateurs or semi-pros looking for a hook-up.

Comments?

Traveler0099,

I posted a report in Kiev this week about my experience with some of the dating services. I had a lot of success with them. I took me 2 days to get two of the girls in the sack. It took three days for another girl, and for another two girls I got action the same night. Obviously it was a little more difficult than selecting a girl from a tocha or from an escort service, but it was well worth the effort.

T99... It seems to me that there have been postings about the marriage agency socials, which allow you to mingle with 200-300 single girls with only 25-30 men. You might try searching under "socials".

I've only been to one of the socials and it was in Spb, but it was interesting even though it was expensive. I did get laid, but it wasn't until I'd made some serious efforts at it.

At the same time, I've communicated with many girls on several different website looking for love and/or marriage. I've even gotten laid a few times, but it is very time consuming and you've got to be careful when you're writing several different Olgas, Natashas, or Irinas because it is very embarassing to get them confused.

One thing about Russia... there is no limit to the possibilities and options when it comes to women in all forms.

Good luck.

KiwiG,

Moscow is a bit easier than Chicago or London, but not that much easier. There is a lot more money in Moscow than most westerners seem to understand. So being a westerner doesnt give them anything that a cute girl cant get easily in Moscow anyway. In fact, not only are plenty of young Russian guys loaded with cash, but unlike westerners, they dont hold back splashing it around.

Anywhere else other than Moscow or St Pete is a lot easier. Get 3 hours out of Moscow and you suddenly begin turning into a white god. If you are 10 hours or more train ride out of Moscow, you are THE white god in town and your foreign-ness is a total chick magnet.

Like the Doc, I spend a lot of my time in Moscow with girls I have previously bent over after meeting in bars. Despite the fact that they have boyfriends and sometimes husbands, they do like to get a good shafting and happily come and visit when you are around. Its not that difficult to end up in a position where you are juggling too many evening "commitments" each time you are in town.

Just make sure you:

(1) Never trust them, never believe them, never love them.
(2) Never buy the "I am a good girl, I don't do that on the first night" routine.

KiwiG,

Besides the p4p market which is well-documented here thanks to all the guys who post, there is of course the so-called "freebie" market which is equally rewarding and interesting. I love this about Moscow...and love the p4p option when I either don't have time or am not willing to make the effort in pursuing a girl in the "traditional" way...

If you've got time and the inclination there are a number of approaches to getting freebie girls, ranging from the dating sites and forums to the normal methods you'd use in any other place.

I've tried all sorts of approaches and find Moscow to be easier than other places in Europe or America, although I definitely agree with RM that it isn't automatic and Moscow in particular is getting more difficult, especially the top quality dyevs have really high expectations from a guy.... the days where just being a westerner in Moscow ensured you of model quality babes are long over... at least they haven't been falling into my lap. Like RM, I think for this you'll have to go to other cities, or other Eastern Block countries. Model level girls in Moscow will go to the top clubs and one look at the parking lot will tell you what kind of guys are in there. I've been in those places and it is impressive, but for me it wasn't worth the effort involved. Or maybe I am too lazy.

Nonetheless, the overall quality of women in Moscow is really high and the city itself is huge, with the vast quantities of girls in the 6-8 category (on the Russian scale) being quite accessible and worth the effort. Scoring on the first or second date is quite common. Actually my experiences in Russia have "trained" me to be a little bit more forward. Often I'll not have more than one evening to finish the job and so I'll make my approach fairly quickly. Most girls will give in and if you did it right, they'll be flat on their back wondering what happened before they have a chance to object. Once into it, they'll go all out to please you. Still, some girls have an insane "2nd date rule", but by the 2nd date you will most likely score... and if you don't score by the second date you might be in for a long campaign, which I suggest you call off unless you really think she is worth the effort. Why waste evenings on a girl who you'll likely dump at some point after screwing her a couple of times anyway when you can find another more willing candidate on every streetcorner?

Competition is "stiff" (no pun intended) for the 9-10 quality girls so you'll have to bring some good game to score there (if you've got that kind of game, more power to you) but in the 6-8 category you'll have remarkably little competition. There just aren't enough decent Russian guys to fill the demand, any Russian girl will tell you this. Nothing against Russian guys... the good-looking ones with a little money must be spoiled rotten.

For me at 33 years old one of the biggest advantages of Moscow and the Eastern Block in general is that girls in the 18-22 range really have no problem with dating guys on the other side of 30.

Another plus is that Russian women, contrary to what some guys have said, are very passionate, emotional and sexually skilled. Moreover, you can do pretty much whatever you want with them, they are very open to experimentation.

RM bings up a good point about trust and emotions. If you are just in it for the fun, be careful not to get too emotionally involved. This isn't always easy, as like girls all around the world, Russian girls fall in love too. And this can be dangerous, as Russian women are also extremely skilled at manipulating men and some will definitely be in it for the "big score", so if you are not careful, getting out of the relationship will be a lot more difficult than getting in was... beware their wrath if you [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] them off, they are as emotional as Italian women. One ex-girlfriend even threw away her bed after we broke up. Another one threatened to use her dad's supposed FSB connections to put me in a world of hurt. I now try to keep the level of emotional involvement low... live and learn.

As for trust, there are of course all kinds of girls. The P4P girls all have their own agenda, so trusting them is a risk. Some freebie girls will also have alterior motives in being with you, but if you know this and play the game in the end you'll get laid, they'll have a good time and it is always your choice whether you want to see them again or not. I know some guys who use an alias, and if you are really just in it for the score, not letting them know too much about you might be the way to go. More often than not though, if you are picking up freebie girls in the end it'll be you breaking their trust and not the other way around. That's just the way it goes.

KiwiG:
If you are serious about going to Moscow on a freebie dyev hunt, if you'd like drop me a line at doctor_skank@hotmail.com and maybe I can help you out with some tips or point you in the right direction.

Cheers all and happy hunting!

I am not a Moscow regular but this thread is one of my favorites.

Doc is absolutely right by saying "Russian women are also extremely skilled at manipulating men and some will definitely be in it for the "big score", so if you are not careful, getting out of the relationship will be a lot more difficult than getting in was..."

I was with this Russian chick years ago and before I knew it we were married (we still are). I still don't know what possessed me.

NC

rm... very good points but, unfortunately, besides being a hassle to travel several hours outside of the city to be transformed into a/THE "white god", the amenities, other than young devushkas, are scarce and you'd better be mentally and physically prepared for travel in a "third-world" area. Also, if you are not at least competent with the language, it will be difficult to communicate.

So, at the risk of being a broken record, the closest thing you can find to being with a girl from 3-10 hours away from Moscow is a "novi" girl from outside Moscow at a tochka.

Now regarding the availability of freebies in Moscow... there is no question that the opportunities are rampant. Here is a cut/paste from a recent letter from a married 27 y.o. that I've been communicating with.

Hello,
It's good. I'm tired from russian man. Russian man is a mistake of nature.
Travel outside of Russia is a problem, becous I am a student and I need go to Institute evry day. And I'll have problem to explain my hasband this voyage.
Alena

In fact, I think the biggest untapped market in Russia is the 25-31 y.o. market. Be cautious though, the Russian woman ages in "dog years", so you have to be careful as the age creeps up, but there is virtually NO competition in this age group.

There must be millions of 25-31 y.o. girls that are unmarried with one child. Every single one of these women are no longer dreaming of a young, handsome millionaire sweeping them off their feet and living happily ever after. At this point, they are just realistically looking for satisfaction and if it developes into something else... OK!

While they may have been swept off their feet when they were 18 or 19 by a 35 y.o. millionaire, by the time they get to be 24, this Russki stud is looking to upgrade with another 18/19 y.o.
which leaves a prime opportunity for the horndogs among us.

doc... Very good advice... except that I would add that it's not just the 30-40 y.o. men, since it is not unusual at all to see a 18-22 y.o. girl with a 40-50+ man. Thank goodness!

nc... get thee to Russia! You won't regret it.

Hi to all, I'm in Moscow for the weekend, I wonder if you could tell me where the line up near the Marriott Grand is, I hope to be free on saturday evening......so I'll may have to report (hopefully)

Ca_T:

Double pics: I took it the right way and wasn't upset at your remark, just a little miffed that Patrick suggested I was making up stories or switching stories. Maybe I overreacted, if so, sorry to all. No harm no foul.

Your point on the 25-31 year olds is dead on. If a girl is hitting on you in a bar, chances are she's in that category, has a decent job but is unsatisfied with going home to an empty apartment and watching videos. Easy pickings and grateful. These girls are also especially keen on Western guys, having experienced communism first hand and gone through the Glasnost/perestroika years when everything from the West was better. Younger girls have a more balanced view of things. And the 25-31 category are relatively low maintenance. You're right, there is almost no competition for this, as the already limited competition is concentrating on the fresher 18-24 year olds.

In my experience however a pro over 25 is already way past her prime and generally doesn't have a good attitude. Nearly every bad experience (and there are surprisingly few) I've had was with a pro approaching or just on the other side of 30 where gigantic warning lights were blinking "no! no! no!" and my alcohol clouded brain said "yes yes yes!". Too much booze + aging ho = no fun.

Dyevs and age: on the dating sites most girls list their preferred man as 25+ or 30+... good for us...

A special category for new girls at the tochkas? WOuld be interesting for sure, although I hope the quality is better than the $70 girls... all the girls I have seen in that category were atrocious.

Doctor Skank,

Someting about the age, Where I was in the CF I saw severl Mens in the age of 50 where was kissing whit young girls (about 18) in CF! I guess the age is not matter. I'm 31 years old but i see no advantage of me age. It seems to me that a working girl thinks that a older western guy have mor money to spend on her as a younger werstern Men. Can it be? One girl in the NF told me she will come whit me for 150$ because i'm young and nice, it was about 1:30 in the night, so this will be the reason of the drop of price and not my age *lol

Questin about taking a pic of the girls, How you ask them? Just; hey your so nice let me make a pic of you? How is the reaction of the girls?

Swissman

SM,

Thanks, noted your dates, I think I'll be in Moscow the following week, but will know more mid-November.

Age:
I'd prefer to think that the girls think older guys have more to offer.. money and experience. One thing that Russian girls seem obsessed with is that you are able to tell them exciting stories and have experienced a lot. An ex-GF used to say that Russian girls love with their ears. I don't know how true that is, but I don't think money is the only factor, although obviously money and position are more likely to be found with a guy 30+ than with a 22 year old. Unless he is a 22-year old Georgian junior mafia cronie...

Pic strategy:

Like I said before, I usually leave the camera around and first ask them to take a pic of me, they usually cannot resist having their own pic taken. I think you should just ask and see what happens, but ask confidently otherwise you'll likely get shot down. Or you could just take out the camera and tell them that you are going to take a picture, giving them little time to object. Or just take it. She isn't going to kill you.

One thing's for sure, unless you try, you'll never get any pics.

Since I have starting asking for pics or just taking them, I've had less rejections than I thought I would. Especially tochka girls seem not to mind. NF and CF girls are less likely to be picture friendly IMHO. They are probably just smarter than tochka girls and know where the pics may end up. A lot of NF and CF girls also lead "normal" lives as students etc. and aren't too keen on their pics floating around.

This must be one of the more intriguing discussions on this entire site!

Just a question:

CA Traveller writes: "There must be millions of 25-31 y.o. girls that are unmarried with one child. Every single one of these women are no longer dreaming of a young, handsome millionaire sweeping them off their feet and living happily ever after. At this point, they are just realistically looking for satisfaction and if it developes into something else... OK!"

Yeah, but how do you find them on the internet to correspond with them...or is it much more fruitful to just take the trip and delve in?

I work as a tourism guide in a Mediterranean country where many, many young russian tourists come for a week or two. I keep meeting young, beatuiful model-type girls form a city called Akaterinasburg, or something like that, in, I think, the Urals area of Russia? I've started summer holiday love affairs with a couple and have even gotten the idea to head there for a month or two, ostensibly to learn to speak Russian. But my real motive is to meet and fuck as many young russian student types and frustrated single moms as I can find?

Does anybody know this town? Does it fulfull the requirements that BM layed out about being outside of Moscow, in the provinces, where an International American Bussiness man in his 40s will take on that "white God from the West" persona?

Is winter really a shit time to go, or can one get by with the freezing weather?

What, in the opinion of knowledgable Russia scene, would be my best option to spend 6-8 weeks over winter months in a Russian town to combine the dual goals of A) to learn to speak Russian; and B) to meet and have GFEs with these 25-31 y.o. girls unmarried, with or without children? Which is the best town? I've met some hot girls from Omsk as well...

Ortos,

6-8 weeks in the dead of winter in Yekatarinburg (or Ekaterinburg) or Omsk will definitely be a culture shock, but you will be a rarity and make an impression on the girls. I think the fall would be the best, it isn't that cold and the girls are there.

August is a bad month to visit Russia, a lot of girls or on holiday at resorts like the one you work at... Med Sea and Turkish beaches are a great place to meet Russian girls, as is Cyprus. Cyprus and Turkey are 2 of the few places Russian girls don't need a visa to visit.

Both cities are big and have universities, and Omsk has a teacher's university... so there will be a good deal of young women available.

As far as where to go for 8 weeks in winter, I would suggest Moscow or St.Pete if budget allows. There are plenty of girls there if you have the time to look and there is defintely more to do then in Ekaterinburg or Omsk, Novosibirsk, Samara or whereever.

If the appeal of top quality women with possible white god factor + language study is your driving motivation (which I very well understand) then either Yekatarinburg or Omsk will do, as will any other provincial university town, but be prepared for a cold and gray winter...

anybody else care to comment? Ortos is obviously not the only one thinking along these lines...

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Since people want to know what freebies look like, here are 5 decent examples.

I still occasionally shaft each of them, so I have obscured a few faces. Forgive me, but I do it out of a sense of gentleman's honour. All of them were poked within one or two nights, only one I gave a third chance to. But spending 3 nights to get a shag is not something I recommend of would do again. I think if you dont get full action after 2 nights, walk.

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oetziboy I never made it to that lineup but the directions were posted here a few months ago. From inside the hotel walk out the main entrance and turn right. Cross Tverskaya and walk down to the bottom of the hill. Apparently the lineup is at the bottom of the hill. I might add that on Tverskaya every night I saw a girl directing traffic to the lineup. She is located on Tverskaya right at the Grand. You'll see her talking to stopped cars and there will be a guy parked in a car at an angle on the sidewalk right next to where she stands. Please let us know what you think of the lineup. I regret not checking it out so don't screw up like I did.

Thanks mate! Excellent Pics. Would have been the best if not for the blocked eyes. Anyway-
Why is it the Russian women in HK look so ugly and different from the pics here. The Russian sl*** in HK I've seen have all looked ordinary. :(
Keep these pics coming up anyway.
Thank you!

oboy... The entrance to the Grand is on the same street as the lineup, except across Tverskaya. You can't cross Tverskaya though so you will have to either walk up Tverskaya to Metro Mayakovska and cross the street or walk down Tverskaya towards Red Sq and cross in an underpass. When you turn down the street towards the tochka you'll see a cafe (Adriatic, I think) and a little jog in the street you can't miss the tochka. BTW, if there is no beacon girl there is no tochka. Sometimes the militia closes them down for some unknown reason.

There is a second tochka within walking distance from the Grand. Go to the entrance for Metro Mayakovskaya, turn right (you'll see the American Diner or some American cafe across the street) and walk about 500 meters or so and watch for the beacon girl and then turn right and walk down the alley.

Ortos, there are dozens of websites that allow you to communicate with Russian girls. www.girlfriend.ru and www.lovers.ru to name a couple.

rm... nice pics. You know I think that I take the easy way out by focusing on P4P. I've been lucky enough to have picked up a total of 5 (three singles and one double) freebies at CF and a couple of others from internet sites. In fact, I even hooked up with a beautiful 27 y.o. TV news/sports announcer that is a minor celeb in Russia, but I eventually had to kill the deal because she began to become a pest and I couldn't stop thinking about what I may be missing at the tochka or CF.

So, in my limited experience I would say that if you aren't the "hunchback of ND" you should be able to p/u girls at dozens of clubs. Of course, it helps to speak Russian and you will probably have to be a little more aggressive than most Western men since most Western men are timid compared to Russian men. If you can dance it is a plus because I've had so many opportunities to pick up regular girls at CF before midnight when they open up the doors for the hos.

So, IMHO, for your first trip to Russia, rather than jumping into the Urals in the middle of winter, start out in Spb or Moscow.

I will be taking my first ever trip to Moscow in a few months and am doing some advance planning.

It is women like this:

http://playcity.ru/verba/

that make me want to visit Moscow and to feel confident that, yes, there is a God.

Has anyone partaken of her services?

I'll be visiting Moscow in December and have reviewed the postings. It is very interesting to read about all the freebies and such but I am not really looking for long term companionship. By long term, I mean two hours and longer! An hour is about the right amount of time for what I am seeking in an interlude. I like to relieve tension every night and that could run into a lot of cash and time in the majority of places mentioned.

Is there the traditional streetwalker areas in the city. I speak the language some. I would prefer to keep the interludes to $100 and under. Actually, $25-50 is what I am accustomed to and usually aim for. This usually means a BJ in a car but I won't be driving in Moscow. Any suggestions?

Also, I like the massage/sex combinations found at AMPs. Does anyone have any recommendations of a good massage parlor of Bannia were one can be confident to get a reasonably attractive female attendant who might go the extra 9? $100 plus tips 40-80 for an hour is what it costs me in most cities I am familiar with.

I'll make it a point to sweep all the bars identified but this is not my usual scene, except in Asia. It is clear what you are there for. Numbered collars make me feel safe and warm! ;-).

traveller0099
Remember that often the pics are faked. you come but the girl is not the same

Ogman
If you know lang. you can use hundreds of sites with girls from $35 -50-70-100. Also Saunas advertise but you have to pay for Sauna plus request the girl. Usually they bring several girls to choose from.
If you need more specific info send me a message to n_a_bokov#hotmail.com

Ortos,

I was in Ekaterinburg once, in October, many years ago. I had gone to visit my pen-pal girlfriend, there was no internet then (so you know I've been doing this for a long time).

Ekaterinburg in October is about as cold as most of the rest of the world in January. I think that a winter in Ekaterinburg will re-define the word COLD for you.

My recollection is that the city was still, even after the fall of the U.S.S.R., very Soviet. Very dull, grey and drab. Ekaterinburg is the heart of Russia. It's where Stalin sent all of the industrial production to insulate it from prying eyes and German bombers.

At the time I was there, they were still proudly displaying their statue of Lenin, when most other cities had taken theirs down. I remember making a little joke about "Gospodeen Ulyanov", which did NOT go over well.

I was in Moscow this summer and was amazed at the trasformation. I doubt if Ekaterinburg has changed as much.

There is no El Dorado of Russian pussy. Russia is full of beautiful women, as you have discovered. Moscow or St. Petersburg will serve as well as Ekaterinburg. I would choose St. Petersburg, myself, simply because it is such a beautiful city, and it's proximity to the Baltic tends to moderate the temperature, even in winter.

I would take the "White-God" concept with a few grains of salt. You will definately stand out, no question about that. You will also find it very difficult to communicate without some fluency in Russian. Russian girls in the provinces are beautiful, yes, but their beauty is matched only by their pride. While they may be curious, they will not necessarily fall at your feet just because you are a foreigner and they might be more insulted by your money than impressed. Unless, of course, they've already made the decision to live as prostitutes, in which case, you may as well be in Moscow.

Ironically, laying on a Mediterranean beach, with the warm waters lapping at her feet, away from the constrictions of home and family, a Russian woman may be even more inclined to sexual adventures than she would back home.

It sounds to me as if you already have the perfect situation. Bask in the warmth of the Mediterranean and let the dyevooshkii come to you!

Stravinsky

ogman... balabon is exactly right. If you speak Russian the pearly gates of cheap sex will open for you. If you log on to many many sites you'll find girls for $35/hour. Plus, there are at least a hundred banyas in Moscow that will call in girls for you, but it's not really in your price range. There are a few streetwalkers near the McDonalds at Pushkin Square but they are not necessarily cheap and they are definitely not the pick of the litter.

If you want cheap sex, my advise is to stick to the internet and have her come to you OR look for the apartments with several girls available if you want to travel to them.

The tochkas will offer $70 girls, but some of the $35 girls on the internet look better, if the pictures are real!

If you don't mind $100 the variety is endless! Clubs, tochkas, and internet.

CA Traveler:

The photos in the $35 albums typically are not real, lots of re-touching, or the girls have them taken when they are 18, and keep using the same photos for years and years. However, at $35, many of the girls are still worth the money.

Gee, I would learn passable Russian to save $35+ a pop on Russian girls.

T0099 - at $100 for an hour, she seems way too expensive for what she is. She even looks a touch on the porky side. That price should get you top quality for an hour. If you want to pay more than $50 for an hour, then look at the more expensive choices at:

http://www.otsos.ru/
or
http://www.publichouse.ru/page1.html

Most of these have a price by the hour or for a whole night

An update from the freebie file, for your amusement:

This is my first post on the Moscow board, but I have been reading for quite a while in preparation for my debut visit. I'm heading east in a couple of weeks (visa permitting) and grateful for any Tochka news as this seems to be where it's at. If you get a cab, can you ask for a Tochka name or will he just drive you to the one he knows/recommends?

I have a couple of other questions. Is the Radisson girl friendly?

and how far is this hotel from Chesterfields/NF? Directions?
Thanks all.

Hi Guys,

I'll be in moscow from november 6 to november 9 (if the consulate can process my visa in time).

I'll be staying at the Marriott Grand...close to the lineups :)

BTW, is the lineup close to this hotel a good lineup?

Anyway, the reason for my post is, will anyone of you guys be on Moscow during the 6th and 9th of november? If yes, would you like to hook up for a beer and find some women?

Please contact me via a private message through the WSG Forum's Private Messaging system.

bbbj/the knight... the Grand is close to a couple of tochkas. The one across from Tverskaya is more expensive than most although I did get my NF quality girl from there but it was pricy. From the Mayakovsakaya metro near the Grand on the Garden Ring towards (both directions) metro Kurskaya & CF you'll see many beacon girls. The driver will ask them where the girls are. As far as I know they don't have "names". Grand is definitely girl friendly, but don't know from personal experience about the Raddison.

There are several mongers in town the first week in Nov. Email me, californiatraveler@hotmail.com, and I'll send you my mobile to hook up for a beer.

explorer8939... That's the main reason that I tend to stay away from the internet girls. Used them twice with bad results on both. However, my friend uses them all of the time with good success. I guess I just have bad luck, but that's why I like the tochkas... you can see what you're getting. At least, on the surface.

rm... I always liked the girls on www.otsos.ru. The ones shown there for $35 are awfully tempting!

CA Traveler,

Thanks for the response.

Is it only the lineup directly accross the street from the Grand that's expensive? Or are all lineups along the Tverskaya street expensive?

What is the pricestructure of this lineup?
Not $75 - $100 - $150 for good, better, best ?

I assume I can also walk up to these lineups right?

Thanks in advance!

BBBJ

[QUOTE][B]From CA Traveler 10-21-03 16:51[/B]
[i]There must be millions of 25-31 y.o. girls that are unmarried with one child. Every single one of these women are no longer dreaming of a young, handsome millionaire sweeping them off their feet and living happily ever after. At this point, they are just realistically looking for satisfaction and if it developes into something else... OK![/i]

I don't know if they care for Asians or blacks.

I do know there are Asian in Russia since the eastern part of Russia was near China. Well, there are about 1.2 Billion Chinese. About 66% are male the rest being female. The ratio is about 150-175 million more males than females. In China there are killing the females because of the ONE child policy for population control. I have read if you are Chinese male it's very hard to get married or find someone, if you haven't after the age of 35. Most of good Chinese girls are taken before there're 25 and you have to fight for one. I guess they need to start a war with oneone. I'll heard that Tom Clancy wrote a book about China going to war with India over resources that takes place in the future.

Does anyone know if Russian girls care for Asians or Blacks guys. It would be nice to match of these millions of 25-31 y.o Russians girls but I know it's not going to happen.

I wanted to point out to everyone the ability to send Private Messages using the software on this site has now been activated. It works well.

However, there is no default "On" setting. You need to physically turn it on by following the instructions on the site.

-Uncle Otto

Please don't forget to donate to www.wsgcharities.com! For every two dollars you contribute between now and November, I will match it with an extra dollar's contribution. Make your Pay Pal or snail-mail contribution by visiting www.wsgcharities.com, and emailing me with your contribution amount and "I'm a friend of Uncle Otto" in the subject thread at "Ottograham@hotmail.com"

OTTO GRAHAM
How exactly one can send a Private message? I did not find the place. Please give more detailed info. Thank you

It's in the User Control Panel section.

Edit your profile. There are yes/no options. I found it, but haven't switched it on yet. Not sure about being informed of contact at, shall we say, awkward moments when not alone in a room!

Think I'll let you guys road test first!

Click on the User Control Panel, as instructed.

There is a menu of options, which includes (eventually) switching on the Private Messenging function.

I have mine set so that whenever I receive a private message, an email to my registered address is generated.

It works well, IMHO.

-Uncle Otto

Priviet everyone,

Well, I just back from my first trip to Moscow and I have to say that it is off the hook!!!. I appreciate the information I received from some of you members in this forum. Your comments were indeed very accurate. However, I did almost get robbed near Red Square by two assholes. If you are ever alone and go to Red Square, be VERY careful. I got away due my aggressiveness and the militia being near. I was very intimidated in going into the underground street crossings.

I have to say that I was culture shocked the whole time I was there. I have never gotten so much from so many people in one country ever before in my life. I felt that it was curiosity more than anything. I guess it was probably because I don't look russian and I am a little dark. Anyways, I checked in at the Marriott Grand and it was very nice and luxurious. First thing I notice was the hot looking girls working all over the place, specially in the stores. I most have flirted with every girl in there and they loved my attention. I do dress nice all the time and am a law student so I guess I have class.

Now to the best part of Moscow, the places to pick up women. I tried NF, Tochka, and went to the famous Safari Lodge.

NF: I went in and went to the restaurant and the food was excellent. I met a nice tall gentleman there who greeted me alone with the sweet girl witresses. Some of the girls were asking me stuff about the U.S. and the language. Anyways, after the restaurant, I went downstairs to the bar area. Holly sh*t, I could not belive my eyes. Being my first time there, I was shocked the whole time of the girls and the way they kept looking at you and moving to the music at the same time. I talked to so many girls that night, I almost ran out of breath. Nevertheless, I heard some of you say something about the quality of the girls there being poor. Unless I'm blind or retarded, what I saw Friday night was awesome. I had a real hard time picking up a girl but after a while I finally did. I paid $250 to take her back to the Marriott. We went outside and she put her hand out and got someone to stop. It was cool to see that. We went to the hotel and went at it for about 4 hours. She was great and very into it. I can honestly say that it almost felt like making love and not just fu**ing. After we were both worn out, she got dressed and gave me her number. I took her downstairs and kissed her goodbye. oh, by the way, the hotel did not even glance at us. Very girl friendly.

Tochka: I took a taxi to the leningradski tochka and I was again shocked at what I was seeing. There we were behind another car waiting to pick a girl. There was a van just parked there and then suddenly this girls just came out of it and got in line. I couldn't belive it. Is Moscow something or what!. So it was our turn and about 8 girls lined up in front of us. The boss girl came to the taxi and said that there was one for $100 and was very nice. I called her to come close and was indeed sexy. I gaved the money up and took the girl back to my hotel. The biggest problem from the tochka is that the girls don't speak any english. I can't tell you how frustrating this was for me. I almost wished I didn't went to the tochka. I guess is because I am a talkative person and it really sucks when you spend your time a girl and you can't communicate with each other. Anyhow, she came to my hotel and we spent about 6 hours together. I can say one thing about her, she gave the best blowjob I have ever had in my entire life. Man! this girl could suck. She did it at one time for 30 minutes straight. I almost fainted. Anyways, I took her down to the hotel entrance and kissed goodbye. However, we didn't have much chemistry at first because the communication thing tuned things off at first but it got better later for sure .

Safari Lodge: WOW, it was all everyone said it would be. This place kills any other strip club I have ever been to in the US or anywhere else so far. I took a taxi there on my last day in Moscow. I left around 11:00pm on Sunday night. I got to the place and was greeted inside by a bouncer and a nice ladie. The ladie spoked some english so that was a plus. I paid $18 to get in. After paying, I headed downstairs and the bar was right in front of me. However, before I even touched the bar, I had to hookers all over me trying to get me to f*ck them. I had a real hard time trying to get them off me. Trust me I wanted to f*ck them right there. So, I finally order a corona from the non-english speaking bartender. However, I know a few words and phrases in russian and that helped communicate a little. You all were right about the strippers, they were all so hot!!. I can't remember who in this forum gave me the tip about having enough 100rubles before getting in, but thanks a lot for the information man. I went in with about 1500 rubles all in 100s. Damn, I had a lap dance from about every single stripper in there. One specifically, I kept for several dances. I could touch her all over, kiss her, I even sucked her nipples at time, she graved my cock and kept sliding up and down on it. It was freaking heaven!. Some of the girls would just stear at me like crazy. I felt that they are just not use to seeing a dark american young guy dressed in a nice suit walking into their club. So, I spent a long time in the place and it was a blast. So, I said Dosvidanya to the bartender and tipped him. He was cool and gave me handshake. I went upstairs and said goodbye to the ladie and the bouncer. Over all what an experience. Next time, I will go back there and get a bunch of dances and get real hard and graved one of those hookers and fu*c her in one of the rooms. Has anyone been in one of the rooms?? if yes?? how are the girls in there??.

So, this is my first report but I assure that it won't be my last. I have been completely spoiled my Moscows Dabushkas. Hotties everywhere. However, being an american, always be in your guard and keep your eyes opened. I learned that from my experience in Red Square.

P.S. I did take a picture of my hot NF girl but I can't post it because I am in it with her. Sorry everyone.

Take care,

Eddie123

bbbj... as far as I know this is the only tochka on Tverskaya between Metro Belarusski and Red Square. There is sometimes a line up right at Red Sq but the two times I've been there the girls were all dogs. The one across from the Grand is it... If you go the other way towards the airport there are many!

S Weelock,

To try to answer your question about the Asian/Black thing. From my first experience in Moscow, it seems that a lot of the russian girls won't sleep with either, specially blacks. I asked both of the girls I was with about this and they said that they would never consider sleeping with a black person. However, I'm sure that there has to be at least one girl that would.

Eddie123

I've never thought about going to Russia for this kind of thing before until reading all your reports. You make it sound great.

A few questions though:

1) Is BBBJ the standard there? some of your reports sound incredible with cim, etc.
2) When you quote dollars you mean USd right?
3) Is accommodation exp?

Thanks

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CAtraveller, Babylon and Nabokov:

You are my mentors and I will employ your guidance next month.

On the Banyas, there are so many to choose from. Babylon mentioned that they would call in a girl for me. What I was hoping was a massage parlor operation, where you go in, you are presented with a line-up, you select an attendant, they bath you and give you a decent massage, and then offer additional services. Are there such operations in Moscow (or St. Petes)?

Does anyone have recommendations on Banyas, what are the going rates for such place (both per hour and tips would be especially helpful).

I'll be trying out the websites for the local girls. There was mention of apartment with several girls. Are those advertised on these sites as well and I have just missed them. What are the best sites for the $50-100 ladies and are there additional costs I should expect, ie. transpo, condoms, doorman charges at the Grand, etc. that are to be expected in such transactions.

SO many questions, you'd think me a novice. Actually, it is the recognized Russian practices of extra fees that worry me. Everybody does it to the tourists, just the Russians are so smart in this regard, I have a hard time predicting these.


Thanks again to all!

To OGMAN
The cost of Banya in Moscow from 800 to 1200 rubles for an hour(depending of location). At least in Moscow I think they rent you the Banya and you bring your girl or they will call. In provincila cities they have girls waiting there
In/out price is the same (or almost always the same) for individuals or salons. No additional fees. Condoms - they have it but very often - Russian means terrible, heavy. Better to bring yours. At the Hotel - yes, very often you pay to security. But again it depends of the concrete Hotel practice

Ogman, try this place. Let me know if it is any good.

http://www.translate.ru/url/tran_url.asp?lang=en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdosug.nu%2Fob.htm%3Fidob%3D96&direction=re&template=General&cp1=NO&cp2=NO&autotranslate=on&transliterate=on&psubmit2.x=48&psubmit2.y=11

Hi Guys,

I hope this question isn't too off topic, but I really need some input on this.

Before when I would stay in one of the Marriotts in Moscow I would use their airport pickup service at $65 per trip.

Seems like they've increased their price to $100 per trip! That's a pretty steep increase if you ask me.

What will it cost me to take a taxi from the Sheremetyevo airport back to the Grand Marriott? Is this safe? ...I've never taken a taxi in Moscow before.

Are there perhaps any airport shuttles going back to Moscow that will stop by the major hotels? Or is there anything else...than wont cost me a 100$ each way?

Any input would be highly appreciated.

BBBJ
DO NOT use any kind of transportation from the airport. It is dangerous. You'll be robbed
There are few English lang. special Taxi companies. They charged $30 2 years ago, may be now $40.
Cal 7 095 575-5164 to arrange meeting you in the airport. They are OK

BBBJ

for htl. booking & transportation USD 43.- Airport - City I may suggest the service of Aslan Co. (I used it last week when I was there) serious and correct.
http://www.hotelsrussia.com/

In June I paid US$90 to get to Marriott Grand. I e-mailed the hotel to get transportation info. I then faxed my flight info to the hotel. To return to the airport to go home I used one of the rip off taxis that hang out at the Grand. I made arrangements directly with the taxi driver the day before I left. I paid $35 or $40 as I recall. If your comfortable making your own arrangements, babalon38's advice is no doubt excellent. If not, pay the $90-100 and get there safely. The economic situation in Moscow is even more scary than usual with the arrest of Russia's richest man.

Hell - the taxi costs are madness! Any one arriving on 13th November want to share! If any reader wants to hook up for a beer and quick tour on 13th or 14th Nov. let me know.

What's the Hungry Duck like? - Heard contrasting reports.

Taxi Service:

If you want a good reliable taxi service from Sheremetyevo, book it online at:

http://www.gotoru.com/price_en.shtml#1

Its only $30 (or $35 if you want a western car.)

Hungry Duck:

The place is a dive. 5 years ago when under totally different ownership, it was the most legendary bar in the world. Now it is a pit. I was last there in May, and if I recall it was 150 rubles to get in. Corona beer was about 100 rubles each and it was 70% men, mostly russian. There were cheap tacky strip tease acts that took place at the bar, and the bar girl, who was wearing a aerobics style bikini, seemed open to ideas to earn her tips. You just french kissed her while slipping a hand right down the front of her pants, feeling her "stubble" and leaving a 50 ruble note behind for your trouble. The quality of women in there was very low and basically none spoke english. Aging bargirls and aging *****s.

If the Hungry Duck of 1997 was worth 9.5 out of 10, then the current incarnation is worth about 1.75 out of 10.

Sorry TheKnight, but there are a million better places to go in Moscow than Hungry Duck - literally a million!

If the management here gets rounds to senior membershipping me, then feel free to ask for more detail.

Theknight,

I've changed my travel plans.

So I'll be arriving there at the 13th as well.

Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message system. Perhaps we can share transportation from the airport and hook up for a beer somewhere.

BTW guys,

Thanks for your input on the taxi situation. Much appreciated!

For the massage lovers:

Now I happen to be partial to a nice massage, even more so when it is by a young naked woman with a sweet body. There is one place that I have been several times and always look forward to visiting again simply because the combination of a good massage followed by a bit of filth always satisfies.

Salon Studencheskoi http://www.erotic-massage.ru/salon_k.htm

and the sister establishment at

Salon Universitete http://www.erotic-massage.ru/salon_p.htm

I love them, especially since I often get exhausted by my activities in Moscow. You get 30 mins of regular massage, then 20 mins of oiled up boobs and snatch sliding all over you (I think they call it thai massage) and then then you can get a handjob or covered bj (1100 rubles all up) or a shag (1600 rubles) to finish up with.

You get a full hour of intense personal service, and I really enjoyed the handjob I got last time I was there. I prefer an uncovered hand job to a covered BJ, and I have been unble so far to convince any of the girls at this shop to indulge in BBBJ. The hand job consisted of her being on top of me, in the riding position, only an inch or so further forward, while my cock slid up and down between her butt crack and the palm of her hand. It was the most realistic simulation of a genuine rubber free fuck that I have ever had. And the girls are surprisingly friendly. All for $35. Its both very relaxing and very satisfying.

Make sure you call before you go there, so they know you are coming. I am not sure how late they operate, the web site says non-stop 24 hours, but I am not sure whether or not to believe that. I have been there at about 1:30 am and it was definately business as usual at that time.

roger
Is it one girl for that price or two?

Bless You RogerMellie!

I will definitely give Dosug.ru my attention when I am in Moscow. If I have the time, I'll try to hit all three you mentioned for Moscow. Keep those tips comin!

The Ogman

RogerMellie,

Have you personally used the airport transfer services of http://www.gotoru.com ???

They sure seem to have the best prices, and their website looks serious.

What car did you choose? Russian or Western? Hehe...I'm a bit afriad to chose a Russian car, cause you see them standing along side of the road so often :)

Viagra question: it it still easily available in Drugstores without prescription in Moscow? What is the price for 50mg tablets? Thank you

BBBJ - yes, I used them many times. They wait with a sign with your name on it at the airport. I have always gone for the western car, but once forgot to specify, so a guy arrived to pick me up in a big black volga

Balabon - thats for one girl at the studencheskoi and universitete places. However, I posted a link 20 post further down for ogman which is supposedly for a massage with 2 girls for 30 mins, followed by sex with one of them for another hour. I have not tried that particular place yet.

For any of you really interested to learn the Russian way:

Take the public transportation from the airport to the city! Outside of the airport you can sit in a minibus or a bus, for 25 rubles they will drive you to Rechnoy vokzal, it's the first stop of the green line metro station. You leave the bus and sit in the metro, up to Tverskaya or Teatralnaya, depending on the location of your hotel. Then you stop a car and for 50 rubles you reach your hotel. And all this will cost you around 3 dollars, meaning that with the saved money you can have your first round of fun that same night. Plus, you have learned a lot about living in Moscow!

For all the black people:

Moscow is not black friendly. But if you want to meet other black people and girls who like them, go to Hippopotam, it's a club located in Krasnopresnensli park, the closest metro should be Krasnopresnenskaya. Another option for hunting is to go to the cafes that are around the university "Druzhba Narodu", very far away in the outskirts, metro Yugo Zapadnaya. It's full of black guys, students. Actually it's where one of them was killed some months ago, but it's not a dangerous place in the evening, just avoid being there in the night (say after midnight).

Sorry to take so long to get this info out, but I've been preoccupied in Moscow... It is crazy to pay for the taxis at SVO and it is really crazy to have the hotel send a car or take you to the airport.

Swiss and BA fly into DME, Domodedevo, which is a long way from the city. Because there is now a train that runs frequently into the city, the taxis at the airport have gone WAY down. The fare on the train is less than $3. You should be able to negotiate a car for around $30-35 IF you just keep walking towards the train, to the left as you exit the terminal. The train drops you at the Metro Brown line and you can take the metro or get a car to your hotel or apartment. This is probably too much if you are new to Russia and do not understand the metro/language/car situation or if you have a lot of luggage. So use the train as leverage for getting a good fare into town.

It is different at SVO. I strongly suggest that you order a car for pickup before you arrive. If anyone wants a couple of drivers numbers, email me and I'll send them to you. HOWEVER, I sometimes don't hit the internet for several days, so allow yourself some time. The cost of the drivers is about $30-35 for a pickup at SVO. It's less for a drop off. However, I stopped a car on Tverskaya and asked to go to SVO and was taken straight to terminal 2 for 300 rubles!

Good info from all on airport taxis.

SVO:
It doesn't get cheaper than $30, so if you order a car at that price you are doing fine.

When leaving customs and going outside you will get accosted by a lot of taxi drivers. The farther out you get the cheaper they get. Last time there I took a taxi from just outside the airport for $30.

Inofficial taxis, or gypsy taxis (they have nothing to do with real gypsies of which there are very few in Moscow), are a very normal form of transportation in Russia. I honestly think they are safe. Never get in a car that has more than one person and never allow the driver to allow someone else in. For travellers unfamiliar with Moscow this can be unnerving at first, but you will get used to it. If you are afraid of riding in non-official taxis and reduce yourself to always riding in the official ones you will spend a fortune on transport in Moscow. Maybe ok for the business traveler, but if you are self-employed or on holiday, you'll likely sooner or later want to start using "gypsy taxis" to allow more budget for mongering and carousing.

Are gypsy taxis safe? Not always. Sometimes the drivers are lousy, often their cars are in lousy condition. It can be a real adventure. If you feel the driver is really awful, ask to get out, making sure you get out somewhere where you can get another taxi and in someplace that doesn't look too unsafe.

Route taxis into town from the airport:
For the light traveler there is also the route taxi option. These minivans leave regularly from just outside the customs section of the airport where the taxis are parked. They are cramped and a bit dirty. They take you to the nearest metro station, either Rechnoy Voksal or Planetaria. It is only about a 20 minute ride. They cost a whopping 20-30 rubles per trip. That is 70 cents or a dollar. Again, this is really only an option for the light traveler (1 or two bags, but no suitcase) and someone at least somewhat familiar with Russia. It also only takes you to the metro, so you'll have to take the metro from there into town. If I'm travelling light I'll sometimes do this, depending on my mood. You can save quite a bit of money this way. Money better spent on women and drinks...:)

Getting back to SVO:
Shouldn't cost more than 700 rubles from an official taxi. I've paid 500, but never less for an official one.

ooops, just saw that this info was already posted by others below. Sorry!

Another tip:

Don't walk anywhere alone late at night for anything but very short distances. Take a taxi.

When walking alone through the center of town late you will get stopped sooner or later. In a group it is OK if your docs are ok, they won't push the issue, but alone late at night they will almost invariably try to milk you for a bribe.

Just two days ago I walked from Ploschad Rev. metro station to Karma Bar, which is about a 15 minute walk straight through downtown Moscow and got stopped by the militia twice. My docs were OK, but especially the second time the militia guy really was trying to get some cash out of me. I was kind of annoyed so I waited it out but he wouldn't budge and eventually I grudgingly gave him 100 rubles and he let me pass. It was about 2 am ( I was the VERY last guy to get out of the metro station, they locked the door behind me) and I was alone on a street corner so I was kind of helpless. I know there are those who say that it your docs are ok you shouldn't pay, but I wasn't willing to call his bluff and the 100 rubles were worth it. I wanted to just get in the damn disco!

After paying he showed me where the disco was, so I guess it was money well spent after all...

Nonetheless, alone at night, especially a little drunk (which I wasn't this time) is really just asking for trouble from the militia.

Right now for some reason the militia are everywhere.

CA Traveller,

You mentioned supplying telephonegood, non-rip-off drivers from SVO for easy access to central Moscow hotels. I am a first-time, non-Russian speaking hobbiest, on his way to his first taste of the promised land...I am mainly an avid FKK German-scene hobiest, and look forward to making my debut foray into the Moscow sex scene. So, an easy, economically reasonable transfer from airport to hotel would sure make the transition and general culture shock I will experience a bit easier to eal with.

If you could supply me with contact info for some reliable drivers that would be a real lift-of-burden for me! How do I e-mail you for the info. My email is: taramas@cytanet.com.cy. Can you give me a few specific number tips? I am planning to visit Moscow in a month or so, and I will send back some reports of my activities on this board in exchange for your help.

Thanks,

Ortos

Ah just over a week til my Moskva debut! Just a note to thank you all for your tireless efforts on this board - it's hard work but somebody's got to do it eh? A special thanks to the two guys who emailed me info, you know who you are.

Copious details to follow. Bring it on....!

Doctor Skank:
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Just two days ago I walked from Ploschad Rev. metro station to Karma Bar, which is about a 15 minute walk straight through downtown Moscow and got stopped by the militia twice. My docs were OK, but especially the second time the militia guy really was trying to get some cash out of me.
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I don't know why, but around Lubyanka it's always a mess with real militia guys and pretend-to-be ones.

Expecially in the underpass under Lubyanka square. Now I don't use it any more, if I'm on foot and I have to cross I prefer to risk my life and do it on the street.

Another terrible place (with regard to bribe pledgers) is the underpass between Kurski vokzal and Chesterfield. But I'm sure you already noticed it :)

Arbat,

You are right about Lubyanka.

It is strange regarding the militia. I've been stopped a lot, but I also get around a lot. When stopped outside of town, sometimes even out beyond the last metro stops, I've never had problems. It is almost like the militia out there is more honest. I doubt that, but that has been my experience.

In town the problem areas for me are around Lubyanka, Red Square, Kuznetzky Most and Smolenskaya metro (just off of old Arbat). But you are absolutely right, the Lubyanka area is the worst. Almost like they are into keeping up old KGB traditions... other bad areas are just on the outside of tochkas, but this is usually more trouble for your girl than for you.

Read something interesting in the paper. An average traffic policeman makes 2000 rubles a month, about $68. Officially. A good traffic cop in a popular place where he can stop a lot of cars for Techosmotr "motor inspection" etc. can make hundreds or even thousands a month in bribes. Seriously. Supposedly the traffic cops rights to stop cars are being reduced now, but I'm sure the clever bastards will find another way to earn a little on the side. As annoying as it is, I can't really blame them given Russia's cutthroat capitalist culture. Every man, woman and child for himself.

The Kursky Voksal-CF underpass has never been a problem for me, there are usually only street kids there begging for a couple of rubles and some cigarettes. I'll be careful though.

As far as going to clubs in the center, if I'm not in a group, I am going to adopt a taxi-only policy. Even though it doesn't happen too often, I'm sick of paying the bribes, as minor as the might be. The cops are actually quite friendly and jovial, but their little games are an annoyance.

Here is a picture of a Moscow traffic cop...your friend and helper.

Doctor Skank:

One night/almost morning I stopped a car driven by a Azeri man. He was furious because (he explained) after a night of work with the Zhiguli a drunk policeman driving a BMW literally chased him (when he saw his dark face) and forced him to stop the car. Then asked for documents and said there were problems. Azeri man did't want to pay the "shtraf" and the policeman got really angry, threatened him to keep his documents and do other nasty things. Eventually the azeri man emptied the wallet and the pockets and was allowed to leave. Total damage, in his words, around 700 rubles. Not bad for 10 minutes of work (of the policeman!)

Let me add my dva rublie to the militia discussion... two nights ago, I went to my friendly tochka near CF and not finding what I'd hope to, I walked to the next tochka which is back off the garden ring about a 7-10 minute walk. Found a cute young blond and proceeded to leave the alley with the girl. Immediately saw a militia car drive by in front of me and I asked the girl if her papers were OK and she said da. The car, which was primarily blue instead of the normal white, kept going and we kept walking. The blue car passed us on two other occasions with no problems and then finally almost back to the ring, they stopped and waited for us to get to them. They barely even looked at my passport/visa, and immediately found a "problem" with the girls papers and quickly put her in the car. I attempted to get them to quote a "fine" for the girl so I could be on my way.

Finally after much hassle they said... "100 dollars". I laughed and told them goodbye and started to walk off... They then asked quickly how much I would pay and I told them 500 rubles. They said nyet and off I went... They drove off and stopped again and we negotiated, but couldn't come up with an agreeable number. Like doc skank, I'm getting tired of the hassle with the bribes.

So, I went back to the 1st tochka and left with a girl that I almost picked on the first pass.

SO, the moral of my story is that if I visit tochkas, with the exception of my favorite near CF, I will always take a car so that I can get the hell out of there fast and not be exposed for the long time it takes to walk to the ring for a car. Of course, I would still feel comfortable walking to the lineup near the Marriott Grand if I was staying there because it is relatively close, but these two are rare exceptions.

Ca_T,

Glad to get your dwe rublie on that never-ending subject... the militia is on of those things that make Russia more "interesting".

I've got a question for all. When at CF last time, I spoke to a girl named Olga who had just returned from a summer in Spain, where she was working a resort area in Malaga, drawing $300 a night from rich Russians. Those guys must have been insane, because she was a 6 tops, with an admittedly good body, but nothing to write the WSG about. So I won't.

But she did bring up something interesting. First of all she offered me the laughable "special price" of $150 and I refused. After realizing I was not going to be a customer, she wanted 100 rubles for her time. I told her that was ridiculous, as CF was a bar and not a strip club. For 100 rubles the least she could do was give me a lap dance ala Safari Lodge and rub her tits in my face. She wasn't particularly amused by my comment, but she was kind of a suka so I didn't care. But this is the interesting part, she claimed she had to pay 100 rubles to security to get in, nothing more.

So what are the rates at CF, NF and elsewhere?

I think we agreed that tochka girls get about 43% of the take after all deductions for mamachka, the pimp and security etc.

What do NF girls have to pay as entrance? The normal entrance fee? I've heard varying reports, ranging from "nothing" to $50 and up... The last girl I asked about this at NF said she didn't pay anything and got to keep the whole wad.

Do CF girls have to pay just 100 rubles, or anything at all?

Any insight would be appreciated.

doc... interesting comment. They do have to pay, officially, on F/S nights. However, I've heard rumblings that the CF security has been shaking down the girls for money and this may be what she's talking about. I also know that CF is attempting to get this practice stopped by the appointment of a new expat security czar on the weekends.

RE: NF... my friend who has a regular "girlfriend" at NF says that she says that they pay the full 650 rubles for entrance. However, I'm not completely sure that is a solid source.

Interesting topic though...

Ca_T,

NF: Like you, my understanding was that they have to pay the normal 650 ruble entry fee as well, but maybe it varies depending on the girl. The girl who told me she paid nothing also bragged about buying a Mercedes with her income there... so she must be a regular. So let's guess that most pay about $20 to get in and maybe some girls pay nothing?

Perhaps it is a mute point, but I am always just curious what take the girls actually get. Put's their effort and subsequent performance into perspective...especially when the girls get outlandish presents from guys who feel sorry for the "poor" girls. In candid moments the girls will tell you some pretty funny stories.

Nothing against giving a girl a present, I've done it too on occasion and that is a personal matter between the client and "service employee", I just like to look behind the scenes and see how the girls are living. One girl at CF I know fairly well is always whining about her poor student life, but she is a popular girl and scores a lot (the good-looking Uzbeki Marina, you must have seen her often) and I imagine she makes at least $300-400 a week there on average. So how poor is she? That isn't "student poor". That is a mid-level managerial wage by Russian standards.

It is not that I am particularly cheap, I just don't like being played by girls and their stories and prefer an upfront approach to the business. If I really dig the girl, I'll express it one way or another.

What about CF? What do they officially have to pay to get in? Also just normal weekend cover, or some kind of rent?

Well Arbat ,

Don't stop there, tell us what happened inside the Karma Bar, what's it like, was the ratio in your favor? Did you acquire Karmal Knowledge a la Nicholson? You know, do tell Arbat.

On the topic of Moscow police bribes:

In 2001 I was staying at the Royal Marriott. At 2am I couldn't sleep so I deceided to go for a walk up Tverskaya street.

It was my first time in Moscow so I was still a bit worried about getting mugged. So I left my passport and papers in my room and only took 100 rubles with me.

When I wlked through an underpassage to cross the street I encountered 8 police men. They asked me for my passport and of course I could only show them my room card from the Marriott.

They kept shouting 'passport!!' at me... then they tried to take me away, but I refused. (I was getting pretty nervous at this time) I offered them to come with me to my hotel so that I could show them my papers. Of course they kept on shouting 'passport!!!'.

Then I figured they wanted money from me, but I didn't want to offer them any, cause technically that's also something they can arrest me for.

So what I did was pull out my wallet and showed them that I also had no passport in there. When they saw I only had 100 rubles in there...they simply let me go.

It was a very nervewrecking 5 minutes, and I know now that I was extremely lucky to get away like that.

So the lesson of this story is: ALWAYS bring you passport with you. And NEVER put too much cash money in your wallet.

That was my 2 cents about the Moscow Police.

CA Traveler mentioned he asked the lineup girl if her papers were in order. How would one ask this in Russian? ...and will their reply always be 'yes'...even if they're not in order?

This is just a suggestion, but I for one would love to have a list a important mongering sentences in Russian. This will help all of us non Russian speakers at the lineups and at CF.

Some lines:
- Are your papers in order?
- Please take me to a lineup
- Please show me your teeth
- 75 rubles
- 100 rubles (stoh rublies?)
- 150 rubles
- 200 rubles
- 300 rubles
- Do you swallow (or is that a rude question?
- Uncovered blowjob
- Will you let me CIM?
- Will you do anal?
- Doggystyle
- Will you stay all night?
- Would you like a bribe? ...just kidding :)

These are just some lines I can think of.

Any Russian speakers out there that can help us non Russian speakers out?

And perhaps the non Russian speakers can suggest more sentences?

Like this we can compile an official Russian Mongering phrase list.

Is this a good idea?

Hey BBBJ, try this site.

http://www.worldlingo.com/products_services/worldlingo_translator.html

Just type in your english and click translate. I've used it before with varying results.

BBBJ: Have you ever thought about getting a translator? I know that you can get them online for as low as $100. I know that I am getting one before I go back to Moscow again.

Eddie123

BBBJ,

I'm not a native speaker, nor really a fluent non-native, so I can't claim that what I write below is 100% grammatically correct. Russian is very complicated grammatically, and even Russians will often make errors.

A good translation program is www.translate.ru.

Here are some phrases that might help, I think they are pretty close:

Undress!: razdensya!
Lie down!: lozhis
Let's go to my place: poidyom ko mne

You have pretty eyes: u tebya krasiviye glaza
...face: u tebya krasivaya leetsa
...hair: u tebya krasiviye volosi
...skin: u tebya krasiyava kozha
...ass: u tebya krasivaya zhopa

Condom: preservativ or condom
swallow: zagloti
suck: sosi
take it in your mouth: vozmi v rot
blowjob: minet
anal sex: analny sex

Do you have your documents?: U tebya yest dokumenti?
Do you have your registration? u tebya yest registratiu?
I want to go to a lineup: ya khachu poyti tochka
I want to see your teeth: ya khachu smatret tvoy zubi

Where?: Gde?
Where to? :kuda?
Where are you from? : atkuda ti?
To the left: na leva
To the right: na prava
Straight ahead: na priyamo

The numbers you can find in any dictionary.

And my favorite:
escho razdvin shire: spread them wider!

Don't know how to ask for CIM. Some just offer it.

Doggy style? Don't ask, just do it...:)

Generally speaking, if you can speak some Russian it will make your stay more fun. Obviously you aren't going to be fluent after studying for a couple of weeks, but definitely learn the basic hellos and thank yous.

Every time I'm in a bar trying to get laid I wish I spoke more. I have had too many promising encounters end with a shrug of shoulders when communication broke down after 5 minutes.

Good job, Dortor _Skank
Only couple of mistakes:
insted of :u tiebia krasivaja zhopa (rude) - u tebia krasivaja popka;
instead of - na priama - just: priamo;
swallow: glotaj (CIM);
also: u tebia krasivoje LITSO (face)
Add:
you have beautiful tits: u tebia krasivaja grud';
U tebia krasivye soski - you have beautiful nipples;
Add:
I want you: Ja tebia chochu;
or: I chochu tebia jebat' - I want to fuck you (a little bit rude but OK)
But everything else - very well.

BBBJ

Amd if you want a BBBJ, ask for "oralny - bez preservativ", or "minyet bez prezervativ".

balabon38,

Thanks for the corrections and your comment on the "rude" version of the ass translation.

I also know a lot of the really rude words like "pizda" etc., but obviously one should be careful. As a non-native it is difficult to judge the "strength" or relevant meaning of the words culturally. Like in English with the word "fuck"... it can be used harmlessly or in fun but can also really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] somebody off or insult somebody if used improperly.

To be safe, I like to ask girls about their body parts and their names. It is a good fun exploring game. Generally speaking, I find the girls, both "normal" girls and p4p girls, to be very playful. I usually try to establish a playful relationship early. That leads to a better more comfortable night and will make all of those other "projects" like multiple sessions, CIM, photos or video etc. more possible.

A couple of weeks back I was with a girlfriend and her two other girlfriends at a disco celebrating their graduation party from some institute and they were all quite drunk and giving me a language lesson. So there I was at the bar in the disco, kissing all three of them while they fondled me, grabbing and pointing to their asses and sying "zhopa" or pointing to their tits and saying "siski" (?) and were generally being very playful. In fact, at the height of the evening all four of us were making out...girls kissing girls and me kissing all three of them... at my own girlfriends insistence. It didn't lead to a massive orgy back at my place as I went home together with my girlfriend alone for a raunchy session, but it was definitely a memorable night and I am sure the other bar patrons were impressed.

So language practice can be fun. Even if you are stuck with a tochka girl back at your pad and she doesn't speak English (most don't) and you only speak basic Russian, it doesn't mean the atmosphere has to go stale. Flirt and have fun, it'll make the whole experience much more enjoyable for you AND for the girl.

doc... Interesting about the girl from NF with the MB. I broke my two year record and finally went with a girl from NF this week. It was late and she said she'd drive. Sure enough, she's got a new MB C320 and we pile in... next thing I know, we're headed up Tverskaya at 165 kph. Now, I drive fast, but I must admit that this was a little excessive, but the damn militia didn't even bat an eye. I suspect that if it was a Lada, they'd have brought in the choppers! :)

Was this girl short, with a "girl next door" look going? She gave me two names and I'm not sure which one is "real" if either. Maybe it's just normal for the successful NF girls to splurge on an new MB.

Of course, if they average $500 per night, with 2-3 trips, for 350 nights per year... gross (and net) is $170,000 per year. Not bad for a few hours a night and a few miles of sausage each year!

Ca_T:

I suspect it is the same girl! She bragged about a C-Class Mercedes!

Kind of short, fairly perky tits. I think she was brunette, very girl next door and quite cute. Of all the NF girls I met on that particular night, she was my favorite.

As soon as I have someting to celebrate I'll take an NF girl again, so you definitely don't have to feel guilty about going to NF! :)

After all the Ladas and Volgas, riding in a Mercedes through Moscow is great... the other side of the coin.

So how was it? Give us the lowdown, comparing your extensive tochka and CF experiences with an NF girl... worth the extra Ben Franklin?

CAT

Was her name Lena?

Thanks for the translations guys!!!

I'm sure it will be very helpfull during my trip to Moscow next week.

BBBJ

Privyet gospoda,

Phonetic translations of Cyrillic are always fascinating. Of course, it's impossible to translate literally from Cyrillic, since there are sounds that don't exist in the Roman alphabet.

The "H" in Russian is basically an English "H", but it is more gutteral. It comes from further down in the throat, kind of like you're coughing up something, but not quite that extreme. So, "I want" is more like ha-CHOO, than chochu, or khachu.

One of the most important words a monger will need is "sKOIL-ka", which means "how much". And you should, of course, verify the currency involved by asking "po dohllar-ov", in dollars? Or "po roob-lyea", in rubles? And, of course, you will want to take your dyevooshka back to the "gos-TEEN-itsa", hotel. The accusative would be "gos-TEEN-itsoo". "Let's go back to the hotel," would be "pai-DYOHM gos-TEEN-itsoo".

Instead of praising her body parts individually, you might want to tell her "ti kra-SAV-eetsa", which is kind of like the epitome of feminine pulchritude. If she really likes the way you look, she might call you a "kra-SAV-chik", the male version. Or she might just be making fun of you.

And of course, you should be able to count:

100 - stoh
200 - dvyes-tee
300 - tree-sta
400 - chuit-eeresta
500 - pyat-sote
600 - shyest-sote
700 - syem-sote
800 - vosyem-sote
900 - dyevyat-sote
1000 - tuis-ahch

Shyest-LEE-va! (good luck)

Stravinsky

Doctor_ Skunk
yes everything depends of intonation and atmosphere. Of course "Pisda" (pussy) is rude. But you can use "Pipis'ka" or "devochka". Or: "Dyrochka" (Little Hole).
"Sis'ki" (tits) -very good and tender.
Remember that Russians use diminitive sufficses to change the meaning of words. "Popka" -also "Popochka" - like "little ass" is very nice and warm.
Your recipe is very correct to create an atmosphere and gert GFE situation. It is very often easy with russian girls. They are warm and friendly in most cases (not always of course)

This is a scary report:

Moscow moots metro kissing ban -

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Couples caught kissing on Moscow's underground rail system could be fined under new regulations being considered by city authorities while those going too far could face jail, a newspaper's website says.

The kissing ban could even extend to a husband embracing his wife, Stolichnaya Vechernyaya Gazeta said on its website. The newspaper, quoting unnamed sources, said the city authorities were thinking of introducing the ban to raise levels of public morality.

"From the New Year citizens kissing and embracing publicly will be fined," it said. "Particularly blatant cases could even lead to a spell of temporary detention in jail," it added.

It quoted a city education official, Tatyana Maksimova, as saying metro travellers were indulging in increasingly lax behaviour including drinking alcohol from bottles and cans. "Our children are getting love lessons all day long from what they see around them," Maksimova said.

Moscow police would not comment on the report.

Here for your reference, is a great Moscow online map and address finder

http://www.eatlas.ru/scripts/ymap.dll/english/dmap.html?name=1061808283670&w=354&h=280&map=msk_eng&group=english

Roger M,

Yipes! I love kissing in the metro and especially in metro stations, they can be really romantic. One of my favorite romantic tricks is to be kissing my girl of choice while sitting on a bench waiting for the train. The train comes and she tries to get up and I don't allow her, saying that I have too much passion for her and ignore the train. The girls love it. And since the next train is only a couple of minutes away, this 3 minutes of extra wait can pay off big time later if you get your girl in the mood.

Funny about the metro rules though, seems like every male over 15 has a can or, even better, a plastic bottle of beer with him. Was wondering about the legality of that. Seems to kind of go against the normal rules of public transportation...

And I've also had older women cough or hiss while I was kissing a girl in the metro... like the liberal wild world of young dyevs colliding with aging Russian or even communist traditions of relative public chastity.

Do you think the mayor is behind this? Will someday prostitution fall by the wayside in Moscow as it becomes a "respectable" city?

God I hope not!

rm/doc... yep, name was Lena. Definitely the same girl! Was it worth the extra ben? Not in this lifetime... in fact, it wasn't even worth a single ben! After the deal was closed it became a "receipe" for her and she was VERY robotic. If she'd been a tochka girl, I would have returned her for a replacement. Very disappointing. On the other hand, the friend with me, hooked up with a blonde beauty and he had a great experience. Just goes to show...

strav... thanks for the lesson. One thing that I've never had a problem with is differentiating dollars from rublie at the lineup! OTOH, if you know a tochka where that is the case, please let me know ASAP! :)

I don't know if anyone saw this in the Exile, but I fell off the couch laughing...

It's in two parts, so you'll have to put it together to get the full picture.

I'll post a couple of the tochka girls from my last trip in the next few days.

Here's part 2...

CAT,

Thanks for the Lena review. She was a nice girl to talk to, but I never took her home. In fact while I love chatting to the girls in NF, swapping phone numbers and email address etc, I have never "lifted" one. But I certainly do get the impression that they would be mechanical. I was wondering if she would be any different, but tragically, it seems all the NF girls are spoilt, and she is no exception.

Cruel CA-trav, but well funny! Glad to hear you're resuming the daily photos, I for one have been missing them! Good work!

Yes CA! Please post the pics! I can't wait to see them! Please also mention at which LU you got them.

Thanks!

knight... perhaps I should explain. The Exile is a free publication published every other week in Moscow. It rates clubs in several categories, including the "fahkie" factor to demonstrate how likely you are to get laid at each club.

I only posted the "Tochka Game" ad because it wasn't on their website.

Any visitor to Moscow should log on to www.exile.ru just to check out the club and restaurant ratings.

Here's one of the tochka girls from my last trip. Sorry, no necked shots.

Getting ready for the trip and noticed the mentions of being sure to carry your passport for the local militia. From experience, the best thing to do is to make a xerox copy of the photo and information page of your passport as well as your visa page. This will suffice for the police if all they want is your documents. This tip works in most countries and keeps your most valuable document away from the hands of pickpockets and thugs.

Just a little tip.

I am tweaked to try out all the good advice! Thanks to all for your help.

Hey CA Traveler,

Were do you usualy stay in Mscow when you go visit? I was looking at the prices of the US hotels and they are artonomical. You can get a 42nd St Hilton for about 200ish but man Moscow is expensive. Almost as expensive as Bucharest. Are these hotels made out of gold?

Dr. Skank: A question about the Uzbeki Marina you referred to in an earlier post. Does she look Asian? If so I believe I have had the pleasure of her company.

Regarding travel tips: I also highly recommend taking a copy of the passport/Russsian visa page wherever I go. I also like the free yahoo accounts. They allow me to upload a copy of the passport/visa to be kept online. I also keep traveler's check numbers and phone numbers of where to go to replace my Master Card if lost on a trip.

Ca_T,

Sorry to hear about Lena, but you really never know if the girl is going to go cold. I think there are a number of factors that determine whether or not a girl will perform well or not, but it is difficult to tell. Everybody gets a dud now and then. In my experience sometimes it was her fault and sometimes it was mine.
In your case it sounds like she just neede to make another car payment and was punching the timecard. I really hate it when that happens, but I guess it is part of the game.

Your advice about the Exile is right on. It was actually my first introduction to Moscow club culture, luckily I discovered it by accident before my first trip there a few years back. The club guide is a MUST for anyone looking to get around town a bit and try out a few places. I don't always agree on their "fahkie factor" rating though... poor me couldn't score at the fahkie factor 3 Real McCoy!

Thanks for the pics, I'll return the favor as soon as I can.

JB2000:

Marina the Uzbeki looks very Asian, but with a killer "Russian" body. I am kind of into central Asian girls lately, although they seem quite shy and a bit moody. Marina usually stands at the bar, wears tight jeans and wears a top allowing her uppity tits to pop out a bit. Very friendly and nice with good service in my opinion, but doesn't do any passionate DFK. I really "need" kissing to get in the mood, so Marina is on my b-list. Nonetheless, I really enjoyed the evening with her, she is sweet and speaks decent English. If you go to CF, you will most likely see her.

Was this the girl you had? How was your experience with her?

Thanks RogerM for the map site link!

Does anybody know of a good Palm-based map program for Moscow and/or St.Pete?

What about a Palm translation program?

I've tried some shareware and freeware stuff, but it is pretty lousy.

doc... YOU DIDN'T SCORE AT A FAHKIE 3????? Turn in your stripes immediately! :) Seriously, I think if you score at a F1, it's an F3 in your mind, so I take the fahkie factor with a grain of salt! I have friends that will score every time that they walk into the Pyramid and I've never had the pleasure... likewise at NF, until this past bad experience, I have chosen not to partake... Of course, NF is an F5 if there ever was one and I don't think that Pyramid is even ranked. The moral of the story... you make your own Fahkie Factor where ever you go!

ogman/jb2K... I would agree with you in most countries that a copy of your passport and visa will be adequate. HOWEVER, I must humbly disagree if you are in Moscow/Russia. Most of the time, you will probably be OK with a copy, especially if it is notarized in Russian as an authentic copy, but if you don't speak Russian and you happen to get a jerk like I did on my last trip, I suspect that you are in for a negotiation session with a significant ruble exchange to get out of the situation. I may be wrong, but personally I will not take the chance.

Of course, I would never recommend that you carry your wallet or passport in your back pocket. You must take special steps to ensure it's safety.

I think the fahkie factors reflect the reality only to a certain degree. I guess these clubs are paying Exile to get those high factors. I'm sure there is some sort of an arrangement. Clubs such as Voodoo and Dirty Dancing have three factors for instance, nevertheless in my experience it was much easier to score at Karma which is has only two and strange enough I had never success at Voodoo. So I agree with CA Traveler.

Fahk you! :)

No Fahkie 3 has not been a guarantee for success. Actually, when I have the feeling I am definitely gonna score in some fahkie 3 joint, I rarely do. My last "sure thing" left me out past the last metro station on the blue line at 4 am on a lonely street hitching a ride back into town. Very lucky to not have become a statistic I suppose. My success rate in the fahkie 1s and 2s is better. It is always better to have a wingman with you, alone you look as desparately horny as you actually are.

Where I have had the most luck for so-called freebies:

1) work contacts (careful careful)
2) the street
3) expat bars and discos like Karma Bar and Chesterfields
4) the internet
5) prostitute discos like Bells and Cabana
6) employees of cafes, hotels etc.

IMHO if you can get her into a one on one conversation that lasts longer than 10 minutes you will likely score within 2 dates. Often it'll take longer to get rid of them than it did to get them in the first place.

What about you guys? Any recommended angles, besides Pyramid and Karma?

doc... I've never been to Bells. Lots of working girls there? Is it similar to CF????

Have you ever been to Sexton? It's way out of town and I went with three girls that work at one of the TV stations, but the night we were there it was dead because it was way too early. Looked like it had potential though.

Just an aside... I think that if you are a reasonably decent dancer, I think you can get laid at almost any bar/disco with dancing. I'm constantly amazed by what happens when a Western male starts dancing alone, I've dubbed it as trolling. At CF, I find that, even at my advancing age, on Mondays/Wednesdays/Thursdays I will typically draw 4 or 5 new girls to the dance floor AND grouped around me by just getting out there and shaking up a little. From that point, it's up to you, but I think it can be a real opportunity. I don't know if it works the same at some of the other dance places, but I've gotten laid several times from regular girls at CF just by dancing a little.

many people have asked questions about the rules for declaring currency going in and out of russia.

here's an article from today's moscow times that summarizes everything pretty well.

customs can't touch your $10,000

by ben hooson
special to the moscow times

this year russians and foreigners can go abroad with more foreign currency cash than fits comfortably in the average wallet, and no risk of confirep001ion at customs. new rules, which are the most liberal in soviet and post-soviet history, have been applied at customs checkpoints since march, when an amendment to the law on currency regulation and control came into force.

cash sums of up to $10,000 can now be carried out of russia by writing the sum into a simple declaration, which is handed to customs at the airport or border crossing. sums of up to $3,000 do not even have to be declared. sergei amelchenko, deputy head of the press office at the state customs committee, said that declaration of sums from $3,000 to $10,000 is purely for statistical records, and forgetful travelers who are caught with no customs declaration could expect indulgence.

"if someone is found to be carrying up to $10,000 without a declaration, he can simply agree with the customs officer what the sum is and fill out a declaration accordingly," amelchenko said.

however, margarita petrova, a lawyer with the moscow legal firm vash peverenny pointed out that the law permits a fine of 50 percent to 200 percent of the value of whatever should have been declared and/or its confirep001ion. applied to cash, that is a maximum loss of $30,000, which could be avoided by spending 30 seconds filling out a customs form.

people who regularly come and go from russia should also know the rules for carrying rubles across the border. a 1996 central bank letter with legal status sets a limit for cash ruble export by individuals at 500 times the average minimum monthly wage, which is currently calculated as 100 rubles.

the new rules for travelers with hard currency cash ended a particularly dark period for foreigners. from 1999 to 2003, nonresidents could not take out any foreign currency cash unless they had a stamped declaration to prove they brought it in themselves or a form to prove that it was transferred from abroad and paid out to them at a russian bank.

"i used to go out with zero money, and i couldn't even make a phone call till i got to an atm abroad, so it was part of my planning when i got to amsterdam or new york either to find a machine at the airport or find a cab driver who would trust me for the ride to town," said gerald gaige, real estate partner at ernst & young in moscow.

atms made the old cash-carrying rules absurd as a means of currency control, since money held on hard currency bank accounts in russia could be freely withdrawn abroad using a plastic card without even breaking russian law.

"legislation on the issue and use of bank cards sets no limits on cash sums that can be withdrawn using such cards," petrova said.

nevertheless, customs officers were serious about enforcement. gaige, who has been based in russia for 10 years, said that he was asked to show the content of his wallet and pockets at customs on three occasions in that time, leaving the country about eight times a year.

the previous system was also discriminatory, since russians were allowed to take out $500 and then later $1,500 without any documentation to justify ownership of the sum. that inequality is now a thing of the past.

"residents and nonresident individuals now have absolutely equal rights as regards import and export of foreign currency cash," scc's amelchenko said.

travelers who need to carry more than $10,000 in cash should beware: the only acceptable justification is a stamped customs declaration showing that the money was previously carried into russia in cash. however, the stamped declaration is only needed to account for any sum in excess of the $10,000 threshold.

according to the deputy chairman of the state duma budget committee mikhail zadornov, interviewed by ekho moskvy in october, central bank statistics show that sums under $3,000 represent about 80 percent of all cash currency being carried out of russia.

the old system encouraged travelers to tempt fate by sneaking a few hundred extra dollars past customs. a law school graduate, who asked not to be named, was stopped at sheremetyevo customs last year with a friend who was carrying $2,500 and lacked necessary documentation. (the limit then was $1,500.)

"we offered 10 percent of the total sum to the officer and nothing more said, but he wanted a third, which was greedy, so we refused and they confirep001ed the whole lot, saying that we had to pay a 100 percent fine for the excess," she said.

the graduate badgered sheremetyevo customs until they provided paperwork to justify the confirep001ion, and then used her legal training to find fault with the papers in court, eventually getting the whole $2,500 back.

"they tangled with the wrong girl," she said.

OGMAN

if you are staying at the Hotel you do not need to go and register at OVIR (Section for Visas and Permition of Militia). If you are in the private apartment - yes you have to. And it is terrible experience. Try to avoid it by all means-long lines, waiting, bribes...

Doc Skank, I believe we're talking about the same girl. I know I had two Uzbekistan Asian girls so I get them mixed up. I have a pic of one of them but I can't seem to get it posted here. I use the Paint program and when I resize to 640X640 pixels the girl in the pic disappears from view. I am curious if that is Marina but we'll never know unless I figure out how to use the Paint program.

This girl was not into DFK and I enjoy that as much as you. However her personality and enthusiam keeps her on my A list.

JB2000:

Resize to 640 x 480 and make sure the pic isn't larger than 400kb and it should work. Am curious to see if it is her... please try to post it!

Ca_T:

Wow, you've done very well at CF!

Bells is a "normal" disco, but like many other "normal" discos such as Cabana or Papa John's there are usually a few hos working. Generally they will be in groups and have a mamachka watching over things. It isn't a great place, but a nice change of pace if you get into a CF rut. Cabana is kind of my secret place to go as an alternative to CF. Prices run higher, but are negotiable to CF levels if you are willing to settle for a couple of hours vs. all night.

Haven't heard of Sexton. The "out of town" discos seem to have great potential to score freebies at, but I recommend anyone trying that to go with a friend. I've been to a few, but almost always with a GF. There was always plenty of eye contact with other girls though and they are still impressed to meet Westerners. I suggest a little caution though, as the local matadors can be protective of their local clam. I have almost never encountered too much flak of this kind, but as everywhere the loal boys keep an eye on strangers. In larger discos this is no problem as everyone is a stranger, but I have found that in the local smaller places there is a local crowd where everybody knows everybody.

Actually, we really ought to organize a WSG disco trolling adventure!

As for dancing, you are right on, it definitely ups your appeal to the dyevs.

About hos at Cabana:

There is always a asian woman (40-50 years old) who stops me and try to sell some of her girls. When I refuse, she ask me to buy her. When I refuse again, she offers me money to sleep with her. She did this already 3 times and it's now become almost a sketch. Moreover she claims now to be my friend, gave me her "private" telephone and said to call her anytime. But I think she does this with every potential fool. Has any of you regulars had the same/similar experience?

doc... good advice. Sexton is a huge club with two big dance areas in different buildings which open on busy nights. They play the Euro techno beat rather than the music you hear at CF/Karma/etc.

I would definitely agree that you should go with friends to all of the more obscure locations. Of course, that doesn't guarantee that you won't get slammed if you hit on the wrong dyvushka.

I've only been to Cabana only once and it was too early to get much of an idea of it's potential. I've heard that it's the place to be on a Tuesday.

arbat... interesting. Have you thought about placing an order for a specific type of girl, i.e. tall, blonde, 19, etc.?

Hi guys,

First post from me. I'm heading out to Moscow this weekend. I've been rapt by all your reports. Sterling stuff!

I will be staying at The Rossiya Hotel and wondered if anyone can give me some info on the girls at the hotel. What are they like? (Rating?) How much do they charge? etc

I'll be heading to Doug & Marty's (CF) and wanted to know what are the chances of me being able to take someone back to the hotel. I've read on here that the hotel security is difficult to say the least.

Here's hoping for a highly enjoyable weekend!

Arbat,

Looks like we had similar experiences at Cabana...the mamachka there also offered to pay me... so I guess both our little ego boosts will have to take a raincheck... and I was sure she loved me for my personality!

Her name is Raila or something similar, I posted her mobile number a long time ago and also posted a clothed picture of one of her girls in the photo gallery section.

I have scored at Cabana on a couple of occassions in the last few years and was usually satisfied. In particular the girls from the Asian mamachka were top quality and in the 18-20 age range.

Did you try any of the girls? How'd it go?

The club itself ain't bad (hip hop and black music) and Ca_T is right on in saying Tuesday is the day to go, it is ladies night with some sort of male strip show which can pack in the dyevs on an otherwise slow night.

Here is my quicklist of expat-appreciative places to go if you don't know where else to go and want to be sure something is happening:

Sunday: CF is usually good

Monday: nowhere...never found a disco or club with any real Monday action...does Moscow have a day off after all?

Tuesday: Cabana and its strip show

Wednesday: CF is packed on Wednesdays

Thursday: Propaganda...if you don't mind waiting to get in and aren't claustrophobic

Friday: Karma Bar or anywhere else

Saturday: anywhere and everywhere will be uncomfortably packed

Anybody been to the disco "Slava"? Normal chicks despise it but hos seem to love it... I always ask the girls which clubs they like and the working kind often mention this place and Hippopotam.

It is not Elitny and might be worth a look-see, especially on a freebie-hunt.

When I was in Moscow last, I had dinner with Russian colleagues and was driven back to my hotel by a guy's wife, who wanted to go back to my room. She started asking what I did at night and touching me and this scared me - I told her I wasn't feeling welll, time difference etc.

Have any of you guys ever had this happen? It seems like a mistake to chase other guys' wives in Russia to me.

doc... good info.

I find that Sunday and Mondays are usually good at CF. Also, Thursdays at CF are very hot especially when they run the "Ladies Night" specials with free booze for the girls. Wednesday night is ExPat night until 2100 but there are usually a lot of girls there that work for Western companies and they usually stay. Tuesdays at CF are the worst and not worth the time to check out.

Like you, Friday and Saturday at CF are too packed for comfort.

I've been to Slava and I can tell you that it's a great club, but it's also the loudest disco with a throbbing Euro techno beat that I've ever seen. Beautiful girls, but a relatively long way outside the center. It is a very long way from the closest metro stop, yellow line I think, so plan to get a car if you ride the metro to the closest stop.

Doc: yes, it's the same woman. I know a man who laid with her, she told him that it would be for free but then she asked for a present. He didn't give her anything, also because he didn't like her performance at all, and as a revenge she started to tell to everyone that this man is a real loser, that he is not able to please a woman and other funny things like that :) In my opinion she has a story for everyone, she pretends to know everyone and if you ask her something she will always answer what is best for her. But I was curious to see if this was just a superficial opinion. Now I see it's not.

CA_T: I never asked for a specific girl, even if she claims to know all the stunners in Moscow, because I saw her too many times and I don't want to feel obliged to pick the girl that eventually arrive or risk that she become loud or point at me to all her working friends like a time waster. After all, I want to go back again to Cabana!

Hippo: I usually don't like this place, so I go there very seldom. But I didn't notice working girls there. Am I so blind? Or they just don't do it so openly there? Maybe they sit in the room with the pools?

Arbat,

Wow, somebody actually went with her? She is definitely not attractive in anyway. Still pretty cool that she did it. Wonder what her girls think of that? All I can say though is that I was very happy with her girls, but I never bought one "blind"...always had them parade their sexy bods in front of me before I made a selection.

Hippopotam and Slava:

Don't know about girls actually working there, but a few hos have told me that is where they go on their days off to dance. As far as I know these are "regular" discos.

NY Monger:

There is a saying "Moscow sleeps under one blanket". IMHO sleeping with a guy's wife is asking for trouble anywhere, but it is remarkably common in Russia. Whether or not you partake is your business. I just wonder if it is worth the trouble and eventual stress. Guess it depends on the situation and your personal take on the issue. Maybe you could have done the poor girl a favor... :)

Cymru T :

Good things about Hotel Rossia:

It's cheap and well-located and has in-house working girls like almost all Russian hotels of any size.

Bad things about Hotel Rossia:

It isn't girl friendly and has watchdog security that you will not be able to fool. They'd ask your grandmother for ID before letting her up to your room.

Haven't been there in a couple of years, I suggest scanning old posts for info (use the forum search function). A couple of guys posted on Rossia several months back with mixed reports, but it sounded like there were a couple of decent options for in house girls and massages.

When at CF you can always ask the girls if they can go back to Rossia, if there is a way ($$$) they'll know it.

Hi everybody.

This is my first report in WSG so hello to everybody.

I am travelling to Moscow end of November with my best friend for two days. This is our first "business" trip in russia. All your reports were very usefull.

We are staying at Marriot Grand. We are looking for the best girls.

-We will go th NL at least to see
-Safari looks also the best strip club ?
-Cabana or Bells ?? I thing Cabana
-Tochka looks to be more difficult, we will try at least to see how it looks. Do you were is the best Tochka ?
-I forget CF to have a beer.

If you have comments about these places they are welcome and comments on Moscow for new travelers as we are they are welcome.

Thanks

-Do you know a good maasage club with pretty girl to relax or a sauna ?

Thanks

Doctor Skank- Although she was attractive, I just didnt want to risk it. A guy's wife, who I do business with, is simply too close to home.

Plus I was staying at one of the monolith Russian hotels, so who knows what gets watched. Later that night though, I got a phone call from some woman asking me if I wanted compnay. So my guess was that they do watch and listen.

NYM... Tempting as it is... I think you made the right decision. Of course, if I'd been in your position, I can't guarantee that it's the decision that I would have made, but who knows it could have saved your life.

CT... I know it's too late, but unless you are locked into a Russian hotel by your company, I would stay as far away from them as possible. The Marriotts and the Renaissance are worth the extra money if you plan to have guests and, personally, I love the apartments simply because you have total privacy. Of course, I understand that on a first visit, it can be a little intimidating.

arbat/doc... Looks like I've got to put Cabana on my schedule for my next Moscow visit.

MM... Sounds like a good plan, but it's a pretty full agenda for 2 days (hopefully, nights). Just a souple of suggestions... Moscow is a VERY late night town, but you can start your evening at NF with dinner and then check out the girls all before everything else gets started. Tochkas are not too difficult, but it is difficult to say which is the "best". Also, depending on the nights, don't forget CF as a great dance spot, especially Thursday. (see doc's analysis below)

MM:

Ca_T is right, you won't be able to do everything in 2 days.

I think NF is a must for any newcomer, and if you want to save $20 go there for a LATE dinner to save entrance fee (be sure to tell the security guys you are going to the restaurant and a girl will guide you upstairs), going down to the bar/disco after dinner at about 11-12 p.m. Going earlier isn't worth it, in fact the best time to go to the bar is around midnight.

Warning: You WILL be tempted to take one of the girls! :) If $200-300/night is in your budget then this may be a best choice for opening night. Bargain down to $150-200 though. Should be possible unless the place is totally packed.

Best strip club? Very subjective question, there are a lot of really good ones but an excellent affordable one is Safari Lodge. And you can do the deed on premises, which isn't common for a strip club. A strip club is also a must for a first timer, although I rarely go anymore as you can easily drop $100 there that would be better spent buying a girl somehwere else, but the the sheer volume of gorgeous babes is overwhelming. If you go to another club like Rasputin, Dolls etc. I don't recommend having a "private dance"...it'll cost as much as a whole night with a girl somehwere else and it isn't much more than an extended lap dance. Bring lots of 100 ruble bills to pay the lap dancers, or 50s if you are feeling cheap. :)

Cabana and Bells aren't must sees. They are relatively small discos of which there are dozens of in Moscow, if not hundreds. However Cabana and Bells (among others) do offer an alternative to CF and NF if looking for p4p girls, but NF and CF are more interesting for a first visit IMHO. If you are "just" interested in disco dancing, there are better places, depending on the day of the week.

After NF, you should check out CF. A different scene entirely and remember, after midnight ALMOST any girl can be had for $100/night. Never pay more at CF. IMHO the girls at CF on a good night reach NF quality at half the price. Maybe you can check out both places and write a report when you get back, I'd be interested to hear your opinion.

Best tochka? The one by CF is good, on zemlyanoi val on one of the neighboring roads. Tochkas are always hit and miss, but this one is fairly large at least. The pickings get slim after 1-2am, so if this is your intention I wouldn't go much later than that. Otherwise you may be better off at CF. Remember, you can always go to another tochka if you aren't finding what you like. Expect to pay the taxi driver 300-500 rubles depending on how long he drives you around. A tochka tour is more expensive than a normal taxi trip which rarely cost more than 100 rubles.

Massage club: RogerMellie recommended a place in a previous post, try using the forum search to check out his recommendation. Massage places sometimes offer FS, sometimes just HJ/BJ.

mm... more good advice from doc. I would clarify though... if you go to Platinum/Divas/Spearmint Rhino/etc. strip clubs bring lots of US$20 bills and not 100 ruble notes!!!! Unless you are independently wealthy, stay away from the big name strip joints and go to the Russian strip clubs like Safari and Oh-La-La (never been here, but it comes highly recommended).

Like doc, I would not miss CF or NF. They tochka near CF is good, but I'd suggest going there early, 10-1130 to check out the available product. Otherwise, if you go at 1 or 2 a.m. you may find only 2 or 3 girls available. You may have tough decision of taking a girl or heading to CF, but at least you will have seen the lineup even if you wind up at CF.

Two nights in Moscow is almost a teaser and you'll be forced to leave with your appetite still craving what you only had a chance to taste and not savor... I'd start planning my return trip now! :)

Ca_T:
Tochkas: You are right about going early, especially on the weekends.

MM:
If your mission is to have a fun night out and having a couple of drinks while chatting with girls and friends, then CF is better than a tochka since selection is still quite good late. I think tochkas are most appropriate if your only mission is sex. Get a girl early and work her good. A fun time can also be had if you and your bud each get a tochka girl, you can have an orgy. Switch-a-roo's are possible, provided you don't "fall in love" with your new GF and want to keep her for yourself.

Ca_T:
Why $20 bills? Enlighten me. I know at Divas you have to buy "Diva dollars" anyway (Divas is NOT a great strip joint in my opinion, the only advantage being it's location near Pushkin square), but at other places you still pay 100 rubles for a lapdance, right? Have prices gone up? :(

BTW:
Bring your own condoms. If you don't have any with you, you can get normal western condoms at the 3-6-6 (?) pharmacies (there are some 24 hour ones on Tverskaya as well) but don't rely on your girl. Tochka girls in particular will have the cheapest style condoms with them, and often only 1.

doc... the $20 bill comment was a "relative" comparison between the costs between the "western" strip clubs and the "russian" strip clubs. I am not really into strip clubs and I can't speak from personal experience about Divas or SR, but at Platinum I think they were quoting $25 per lap dance, which lasted about 2-3 minutes, but admitedly it could have been a "private" dance.

OTOH, I know at Safari the lapdances are still sto rublie... I don't know about the private dances. As memory serves, I can tell you that the total charge for a girl and time in the dacha in the back runs about $70 for about 40-45 minutes. The girls that go back to the dachas were not the dancers, at least on the night that I was there.

Doctor_skank
The name of the Farmacies' chain in Moscow is 36,6 degree. This is in Celsiush normal body temperature. Means youa are healthy.

Lap dances in Safari are indeed 100 rubles. The private dances are - I believe - 1500 rubles, and are very short.

What about OH LA LA? Is it not the same management as Safari Lounge? I've had great time over there last year. Got the BJ of my life from a sexy blond stripper. is it still the same?

Thanks Guys for al this tips.

We are arriving on Friday and leaving on Sunday.

I think NF is for sure a place to go. What about a complete evening here. restaurant - Bar - Disco? Or is it a better a idea to go first to a good restaurant then CF to have a drink and then NF?

What could be a typical evening?

I thought from NF it was quiet difficult to have a girl for complete night?

Let forget Cabana but what could be a good place to dance CF?

About restautant what do you suggest?

I think last question even if it is subjective what is the best strip club in town? I don't speak about price but georgous girls? Same question for discos?

Thank you very much for your help.

mm... NF is a good choice for dinner and to check out the girls, plus if you have dinner you don't have to pay the 650 rubles cover charge. Even though they have a dance floor, dancing is not really much of an option here.

Clubs that I've been to, especially CF, are very packed on Friday and Saturday night. You can dance, but it is very crowded compared to Sunday/Monday/Wednesday/Thursday.

If I was going to Moscow for two nights... first night, I'd go to Pyramid for drinks before dinner, anytime in early evening, then walk 2 blocks to NF for dinner at 2130-2200, afterwards go to NF bar for drinks to check out the girls, then at about 2300-2330, I'd get a car and EITHER go to a tochka to check it out and then go to CF if you don't mind the crowd... OR, go from NF directly to a strip club, I'll leave the exact recommendation to those that know that scene better than I do, then later if you choose go to CF or Karma Bar to dance.

Second night, I'd have dinner at one of the restaurants listed in the Exile, if you want recommendations, I have several good Italian places that I can recommend(one is just down the street from CF). Then, I'd either go to the tochka early, if someone is a knockout, I'd pay for her and ask them to hold her and let them know you'll be back. Then, go to CF and dance, then go back for the girl. If you get lucky at CF, you'll have to make a decision! :)

If you are really energetic, you can always order in from one of the MT ads or the internet on Saturday and Sunday mornings!

If you want to do something different instead of Red Square and the typical tourist stuff, take the blue line metro out to Izmailovskaya Park for the huge flea market. You may decide to pickup a Russian space suit with a helmet for your trip home.

One last point, make sure that you have your hotel write out all of your possible destinations, including the hotel name and address, IN CYRILLIC for you to give to the driver. Otherwise, memorize the closest metro station to each destination, to tell your driver approximately where you want to go! In addition to your passport/visa, always carry a map with you that has the names of streets in Russian (and English for you).

CAT:
Do you know if they have jackboots out at Izmailovsky park? I have this soviet generals uniform, but its missing something without the knee high jackboots.

Boofer:
Like you, I think Oh La La is Moscow's strip club of choice. I think the guy who set up and runs Oh La La may have previously run Safari, but I dont think they are the same management now. If you stick to drinking beer and bring a whole bunch of 100 ruble notes, it wont cost you too much to get mighty worked up. 100 rubles bought about 5 minutes of breast sucking, snatch fingering raunch. I never tried the private dances there.

Hello new Friends,

Thank you all very much for the useful information you put in the WSG. Here is my very first report to WSG, and also my very first visit to Moscow, Russia, Europe, this mid-November 2003. Apologies for my mistakes in English, which is my fourth language. Thank to your info, my trip went well, and even beyond expectations...:o)

ECONOMY STATUS OF RUSSIA: good to realize, due to recent de-communization and capitalization of the national economy, there is an inflation rate above 10%, and hence a black economy. That is, you pay an expense, and do not always get a bill for your expense report... In expensive hotels and restaurants, you get a bill, whereas elsewhere...:o( - Also, if last year you paid some US$ 100 for any given service, expect it to be US$ 110 today. According to Moscow Times, what is traded on the entire Russia stock exchange at the moment (November 2003) is equivalent to only twice what is done in next-door 5.1 million people Finland. Thus, with a market of some 150 million Russian people, they still have a long way to go for developing their market economy and local IRS.

AIRPORT TAXI. - Landing at Moscow Airport at 05.40 am local time, going through customs and immigration, recovering luggage, once into the arrival hall, there are many men trying to lure you to get into their taxi at some US$ 70-80... Calling in advance, the hotel had told me about an average of US$ 50, or Rubles 1500, which is what I got one of them to agree. Mistaken by my foreigner’s accent he drove me first to the National Hotel, just opposite the West wall of the Kremlin. As the facade was not looking like the picture of the Tatiana Hotel, I showed him the detailed internet info with the picture, and driving me for a few more minutes, I finally got there (at no extra charge).

HOTEL and METRO. - The 4 stars Tatiana Hotel is located South, South-East of the center, along the Garden Ring, 5 minutes on foot from Paveletskaya Metro and Train Stations. That is at the intersection of the circular and dark-green lines of the metro, and 0.1 mile from the HP and Unilever Offices. Hence, if you want to see the architectural wonders of Moscow’s metro, even with a next to zero knowledge of the Russian language, you can go either to the Boar House or to the NighFlight, without even having to change line. Room prices of that hotel range from US$ 190 for a simple (and larger than at Paris, France) room with queen size bed, up to US$ 280 for a suite, VAT included. Price of a suite at the national Hotel can be as high as some US$ 800 per night. There are only 75 rooms in the Tatiana hotel, and no hotel-girls, neither at the bar, nor at the relaxation center. I found it to be a girl-friendly hotel: on the one hand, in the hall, in the tourists cards display, they have all the cards with info about most sought night life spots, and on the other hand, a morning, I saw an escort coming out without being neither embarrassed nor harassed at all. Later, I came back in the evening with one girl pulled from the Boar House, and there was no check at all...;o)

In addition to WSG webpages, here are two useful internet Moscow Guides in English
1) www.wguides.com/city/245/city_districts.cfm
2) http://eng.moscowout.ru/

Combining information on both website includes everything that visitors need to know, for instance cultural and touristy spots, accommodation, food, bars, etc, as well as night-life of course. About my night-life experience, cost included, see further below.

Preparing my visit, searching for nice ladies, I of course explored websites already mentioned in the WSG, which, as most of you know, are in the Russian language. However, one of the salon/sauna place mentioned in earlier report has now a translation in English, but it advertises US$ 150 per hour instead of US$ 50 as reported about a year ago. Things keep changing at Moscow, and I found the following escort website translated in English, with English-speaking ladies doing both in-call and out-call:
http://prostitutki.ru/index_en.htm

Although a few pictures are clearly from centerfolds, celebrities, playmates and porn-stars, for instance Jana Cova, Nikki Nova, Jenna Jameson, Jessie Capelli, Veronica Zemanova, etc, taken from internet, most of them are from the www.dosug.nu network.

Exploring this new website, there is even a search button. Searching in function of metro station, most of the girls are in the center. Lucky me, there are a few telephone numbers around Paveletskaya metro and train station, area of my stay. The quoted overnight price looks generally in line with girls who, according to recent reports to WSG, can be pulled out of the Night Life club and ranges from US$ 150 to US$ 250, and even up to US$ 500 for a couple for them.

IN-CALL : Hence, looking for an in-call place (highly convenient when with colleagues in a hotel), once at Moscow, I called these local numbers. Three were apparently without the English–speaking girl and the fourth one, with the number ending with 232, was with one. She said that they are located some 10 minutes on foot from my hotel. As directions were a bit difficult to follow (inside the courtyard of a building of which the gate was on a sideway???), I waited in front of the next door church, and one of the girls, Ella, a good-looking one, came to fetch me. She then helped me to find the right gate of the right courtyard and the right door of the right building, and the right apartment on the right floor.

Once inside, at that moment there were three superb-looking young girls, about 20 years old. They made me sit in the lounge, offered me a cup of tea, lined in the sofa opposite, and we chatted up a little while. One of the girls (she is now on my menu for my next visit) looked very much like this one as advertised on the website for their in-call place:

http://prostitutki.ru/show_anket_page-2_gr_id-299.htm

Another one I spoke on the telephone with, Marina, could speak reasonably good basic English, whereas the other two, including the one who fetched me were Russian-speaking only. She proposed me to take two girls. Preferring one girl at a time, I politely declined, saying that I shall come back and have another girl each time. They all smiled and giggled a lot, and for this first time, taking it easy for communication, I choose this English-speaking one, Marina. She looked very much like this one:
http://prostitutki.ru/show_anket.html?page=1&gr_id=442

So, having selected Marina, the tall good looking and English-speaking blonde for this first visit, I decided to stay for two hours at the US$ 150 price as advertised on the website. She led me to the bedroom, and indicated me where is the bathroom for a shower. I undressed in the bedroom, went to the shower room, came back, discreetly checked that nobody explored my pockets and wallet, felt fine and reassured, and what followed were two hours of voluptuous sexual delights. She is fairly tall, and slim, has firm pear-like breasts, C-cup, and has legs with no ends. I thoroughly enjoyed her excellent BBBJ skills as well as her arms and legs all around me...;o)

Marina:
Looks-9
Attitude-10
Performance-10.
Highly recommended.

IN-CALL AGAIN : Two days later, on my second visit at that in-call place, there were four girls. Two of them, Marina and Ella were already present on my first visit. Marina looked pleased to see me again. She must have told about our two hours of pure sexual delights, as well as about the US$ 150 I guess, because the four looked clearly anxious to be chosen, and were fun to chat up with while drinking my new cup of tea. As said on my first visit, one girl at a time. The looks of the two new girls were very tempting too, and approximately, like on these two pictures:
http://prostitutki.ru/show_anket.html?page=1&gr_id=202
http://prostitutki.ru/show_anket.html?page=5&gr_id=297

This time, I choose Ella, the burgondy red haired girl who had guided me to their apartment two days ago, also for two hours. Although she cannot speak English as yet, what her friend Marina had told her and my little book of Russian language plus our respective body languages were more than sufficient for lots of giggling, cuddling, fondling, etc. She is very sweet, with firm apple-like breasts C-cup, a beautiful wasp-like waist..., and passionate in bed...;o) She allowed me to take pictures of her, both undressed and dressed. With the language barrier, I do not know if she would allow me to post them here, so bear with me: here are the closest resemblances I could find of her:

http://prostitutki.ru/show_anket_page-1_gr_id-428.htm
http://escort.su/show_anket_page-3_gr_id-53.htm

Ella:
Looks-9
Attitude-10
Performance-10.
Highly recommended.

MDBH : On my second of three evenings at Moscow, i.e. a Monday evening in between the two above mentioned visits at the in-call place, I decided to explore Marty and Dough Boar House. That place is often abbreviated CF here in WSG reports. As the name of that place has changed, I shall adapt too, and abbreviate it MDBH. It is located West-side of the Garden Ring, at Kurskaya metro station, and opposite the brand new giant shopping mall, called the Trade and Entertainment Center Atrium. The website of MDBH is : www.boarhouse.ru.

On relevant web-pages, see pictures of the crowd, in a lively and “cozy” atmosphere. That kind of atmosphere with good beers is my favorite. Also, have a look at the list of food and drink prices, e.g. a Hennessy VS = 195R, vs. 490 R at Night Life. Referring to recent reports to WSG, this ratio for booze is about the same one than for girls: same booze, same girls, but different prices...

According to www.wguides.com/city/245/128_225738.cfm :
“Formerly known as Chesterfield Café this place has changed little in terms of policy and clientele. - Quiet and homely during the day, it gets busy in the evenings and packed on weekends. It is definitely a place to be seen, attracting a mixed crowd of Russians and foreigners from all walks of life (from rail-road workers to embassy staff) who manage to get along harmoniously and enjoy time spent under the same roof. - There is live music on Fridays and Saturdays (it starts at 10pm) which is followed by a disco and for some might end with an early breakfast! Wednesday nights - traditionally being ex-pat nights - bring together both foreign businessmen and travelers who come in the hope of a break from the Russian environment and to make new acquaintances. - Now open 24 hours a day, Doug & Marty's Boar House serves excellent food (Mexican, Anglo-American) in large portions. This is also a good place to watch sports events. It is somewhere one can cheer and jeer with other fans and compatriots without fear of being misunderstood. There are two pool tables.”

The yellow taxi taken from the hotel dropped me there on Monday evening, at 20h30. First I went opposite the avenue to explore that new gigantic shopping mall, spread on three floors. At the restaurants area of that mall, I spotted a few girls sitting alone. If only I could already speak Russian... At 21h00, I went into the Boar House, left my jacket at the cloakroom, next to the entrance, and walked around. All tables were taken, as well as the whole length of that very, very long L-shaped bar. I saw a couple of curvy girls sitting at the bar, but decided to wait to see more if possible.

Walking around a second time, finally, I managed to squeeze myself between guys at the bar, on the short side of the “L”, with the pool tables in my back. Good place to see the very long side of the bar, as well as what is going on around the tables and at the entrance. Around the corner of that L-shaped bar, there were three lonely guys, obviously westerners just like me, except that they were looking bored. Sitting on that other corner, they were indeed turning their back to the action and had no sight... Some 15 minutes later, looking disgusted, two of them left the Boar House. Too soon? They had just missed seeing a serie of five girls, each one coming in on her own, and looking for access to the bar. Looking at them dispersed along the long part of that L-shaped bar, one of them caught my attention. After three minutes of tease by eye-contacts, she moved and came directly to my side, knocked gently on my shoulder and asked quite frankly, in correct English, and with so sweet a big smile and shining eyes: “it looks like you would appreciate some company!”....;o)

Waow! Bingo! - Offering her a drink and taking another one myself, we chatted a little. We had no time to finish our drinks that the deal was made and off the Boar House we were. With her Russian language skills, we got a gipsy taxi for 100 R only, back to my hotel. No control at the reception: we just walked in and went to my room without being harassed. Once there, she undressed herself, then me, then we showered, made love, slept a while, made love again, etc, until morning came. I proposed her to share breakfast with me, but she had to go to work and declined. I had no more US$, but I had Euros. Aware of the presently advantageous rate of exchange for the Euro vs the Dollar, she was very happy of that 10% tip and kissed me goodbye with lots of tenderness. Amusingly, she looked fairly close to this one, jeans included:
http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/attachment.php?postid=131537

Maria:
Looks-7
Attitude-8
Performance-7.
Recommended for good amateur GFE night.
Cost: Euros 150, from 21h45 to 06h30 next day.

NF: In the Center, North-West-side of the Kremlin, and only three minutes on foot from National Hotel: www.nightflight.ru See pictures of an obscenely rich nightclub, but not of its crowd, and compare them to Boar House pictures and atmosphere...;o)

According to www.wguides.com/city/245/147_274441.cfm : “Swedish management and chefs provide Scandinavian DJs, cuisine and prices every night of the year at this sleek nightspot. The decor is exquisite: brick walls with good oil paintings and horizontal windows that give a broad view over Tverskaia street. Foreign travelers looking for Russian company often come here. The menu is heavy on meat: Reindeer with morels, cherry jus and herbed potatoes goes for RUR800/USD25, and Oscietre Caviar for RUR450/USD14 as a starter. Most dishes are available as starters, main courses, or in a tasting menu.”

Having had a business diner at the National Hotel on my third and last evening at Moscow, walking out, the temperature being mild, no rain, I walked up Tverskaia street until the Chekhov Theater, and back. On both ways, catching a glimpse of that nightclub, I saw three beautiful girls going in, dressed with recent, sophisticated and expensive fashion. Well, none of them could erase the image of sweet Ella out of my memory, and not willing to pay the extravagant entrance and booze prices, I passed and went back to the in-call place. (See above).

Tochka girls: on the way back from the Center to Palevetskaya, the taxi driver suggested me to see the Tochka girls. Well, having read in WSG report how these girls can be beaten, harmed and wounded, and not wanting to give my hard earned money for guys to keep mistreating ladies again and again, I sticked to my choice to go back to that in-call place, where girls have no scarrs and obviously enjoy themselves. A girl eager to please for avoiding to be beaten, vs. a girl eager to please because she enjoys sex and is treated like a Lady is not the same indeed...;o)

Thus, thank to your input in the WSG and my preparation, I had a thoroughly good time at Moscow. My correspondents invited me to go back in two weeks time. From Moscow Airport, before the plane, I telephoned to the in-call place, thanking them a lot, and announcing them that I shall visit them again in two weeks time... I cannot wait to be back...;o)

With many thanks and sweet dreams to all,

Butter Fly

Does anyone know any street action in Moscow?

Here is a very interesting way fing the regular Russian Pros. If you speak Intermediate to Good Russian you can go directly to this site:
http://omen.ru/love/poiski.htm
For those of you like me who only speak a little Russian first open this site:
http://babelfish.altavista.com/ and paste the omen.ru/love/poiski.htm link into the web site translator.
Most of these women probably speak little or no English but since the prices, phone number and sometimes even the metro stations they live at are there you should be able to at least meet them outside a station and sort figure out business. The prices per hour, 2 hours and Night are at the bottom of each page and there are women there for EVERY taste (old, young, fat, big breasts, 2 girls, BSDM, Anal, Etc.)
The site has info for all of Russia but only St. Petersburg and Moscow seem to have alot of entries.
The only this I can say is that I have NOT been to any of the women here as I have a new Russian lady friend. If she does not work out then I will happy to give my first hand experience with the above site.
The only cautionary rule here is that if someone wants to rob you going to thier apartment and having 5 big Russian guys mug you wouldn't be hard so meeting them at a metro station deciding to go to their place or yours is up to you.
Also, for anyone who speaks almost no Russian and can still manage to meet the girl a print out in Russian of her website with the prices clearly on the bottom will prevent "Gringo price hikes". Thanks to MIKE #3 for pointing me to this site

a69... yes, the omen site is a good one and your advice to be cautious about going to a girl's apartment is excellent. However, from my experience, if you order in from omen or any of the websites, you may not get the girl pictured on the webpage.

bf... sounds like you had a good time in Moscow. Good info on the hotel. I've never heard of it and it's nice to know about other girl friendly hotels in the city besides the Marriotts and Renaissance.

Regarding the inflation rate in Moscow... I think the one thing that has not gone up in the two years I've been going are the girls... $100 still buys you company at CF even though some girls attempt to increase that price, we seem to still be holding the line.

Also, I'd like to correct a misimpression that you may have about the tochka girls. They are not walking wounded! :) True, you may occasionally find a girl that has a scar or two and it's even possible to find a girl that has been terribly abused, but for the most part the tochka girls are sweet, clean girls that are trying to earn some money. I've had some of my best experiences, by far, in Russia with the tochka girls. However, as in any marketplace, you must be selective and even then there is no guarantee that you'll pick a winner. I suggest that you try it on your next visit. You may email me if you want me to give you some tochka locations.

Actually, I think one of the hardest things to do when visiting Moscow is not to get in a rut and to explore the wide range of options that are available for girls!

Have a good second trip to Moscow.

rm... I don't recall seeing jack boots specifically, but I'll look on my next visit. I suspect that you can find anything associated with a Soviet military uniform that you want there.

Roger,

While I was at NF this pass month, this Russian guy told me that Oh La La was indeed the best strip joint in Moscow. However, he told me that he has never been able to go inside because he is Russian and they only want foreigners there. Have you heard anything like this before? I definitely plan to check it out next time I go to Moscow. I had a blast at Safari Lodge so I know that I'll enjoy Oh La La.

Tochka: My previous comment about the 30 minute blowjob I got from this cute Tochka girl should be encouraging enough for those who are still unsure about visiting one :).

Eddie123

I have to agree with CAt on the tochka girls. When I tochka, which is not so often these days, I tend to do my tochkaing at the "5 mins walk from CF" tochka, and I always end up with sweet, regular girls from either the provinces, Ukraine or Moldova. Invariably they are 18-22, and have come to Moscow for one or two months to make some cash and then go home. Most of them admit to having boyfriends back home if pressed. You can even ask them what stories they tell their bf / parents about their visit to Moscow if you want to see them break out into a laugh.

Sure, I have seen trash at some tochkas, but unless you are really happy with the girl, or its late at night, check out a few tockhas before accepting trash. There are heaps of nice sweet country girls only saving up a grand for a holiday to Turkey and a new mobile phone, if you look in the right tochkas. I was taken to one in Kitai Gorod once and it was pitiful. So do shop around with tochkas. And if you are new to tochka shopping, dont leave it too late in the night, or you will end up with a crap choice.

Butterfly44,

Great report with some good info on other mongering avenues, thanks! Thanks for including all the details, that is valuable info for all!

The picture you refer to with the CF girl in jeans is a girl I had. Shaved bush and a penchant for oral pleasure? Maybe it is the same girl. Her fake name with me was Ira I think, but her real name was Alla and she was from Rostov-an-Don. My report on her is posted 10-09-03 if you are curious.

One comment though, you say you paid 150€ for a CF girl? I don't mean to beat a dead horse and how one spends his money is his business, but any girl at CF can be had for $100 and we really ought to stick together and keep the price at $100. Don't take this the wrong way, I'm glad you had a great time, but 150€ is about $175 and approaching almost twice as much as you should pay. If it becomes a habit among mongerers, some of that inflation you mention and we have avoided for years now in this business will set in really quickly. Simple economics. This subject has been covered here often before so I won't dwell on it. It shouldn't detract from your fun that you had with her, and I am sure it doesn't! :)

I will check out your website recommendations, they sound great!

I agree fully with Ca_T and RM that tochka girls aren't "walking wounded" or "trash". Have had the occasional one with light physical damage, but even they were very accomodating. In fact, compared to CF and NF girls, tochka girls are the ones where I have experienced the fewest occassions of bad attitude/poor performance etc. And I think the notion that they are all beaten into submission and sold into slavery is a myth. Maybe true for some, but certainly not for all. Just my honest (and humble) opinion.

A recent Moscow trip:

I arrived on a Friday evening about 6pm and planned an early session with a girl I had picked out of a Tochka on an earlier visit, who I know as "Tochka Anya". She gave an outstanding GFE on our earlier meeting and was pretty damn cute as well. Her pics grace these pages on earler dates. But I also wanted to see a regular freebie of mine, "Tasha" that night. So while on the train in from Domodedovo, via SMS I arranged with Tochka Anya to come around at 8pm for 2 hours (and 50 bucks). Its much cheaper going direct because the girls are not losing over half the money to the Tochka Mama. So if you like the girl, get her mobile number, and make sure she remembers your name. That way you can just text her when you are next in Moscow and get her to visit you at half price or less.

Tochka Anya was keen on that deal, so I then called and arranged to meet Tasha at the Hard Rock Cafe at 11:30 pm.

The session with Anya was great. She was happy to meet up again, all smiles, very high GFE again. We had a good long shag in a plethora of positions before I ripped the rubber off and shot into her mouth. Then we had a good long chat.

Her life is changing. She is settling well into Moscow life. She works as a secretary 5 days a week and only does the Tochka 2 days a week now. I wont be surprised if she either quits it or moves her stall to CFs if she still needs 1 or 2 nights a week. At least there she can (1) veto dodgy looking characters and (2) keep 100% of the cash (less CFs take).

After that was done, I was dead. I had no energy left. It was a long day and after a good hard poke, with some excellent pics I might add, I was unable to stay awake, so I postponed Tasha and went to bed about 11pm.

The next night at 11:30pm I met with Tasha at the Hard Rock Cafe. We were drinking at the bar on the second floor where the "disco" is located. There was one uber attractive girl in there who vaguely reminded me of claudia schiffer, and she sat down at the other end of the bar. While Tasha was dancing we made eyes a few times. So next time Tasha got up to dance, I called the bartender over and got him to send a strawberry daquiri over to "claudia". Tasha was back by the time she got it, but I looked over in "claudia's" direction and was looking over with a very nice smile all over her face. I had to do something, but Tasha was tired of dancing and wouldnt leave my side. I had no room to move and she was ready to go home. Every time I looked over towards the other end of the bar though, "claudia" would look back and smile. What could I do?

In the end I gave up (about 1:30am) and Tasha and I grabbed our things to go, noticing I was getting one last smile for the road. Then I got a lucky break. Tasha had left her coat in the cloakroom upstairs, while I had mine with me. So I told her I was just going for a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] while she went and got her coat, but instead I sauntered over to "claudia" while Tasha was upstairs. I asked for her phone number - but she turned me down. She doesnt "give her phone number to strangers". Then, feeling slightly dejected, I was about to walk off when she said, "but give me your number." So I did.

We went back home and I had an outstanding session with Tasha. The usual spectrum of positions was employed, and gentlemans pictures were taken. After she had got her rocks off (she comes really easily and shakes like a demon when she does), I rolled her over and pulled a tube of lube out of the bedside drawer and smeared it over her butt, before inserting the thumb. 3 minutes later she was taking it in the butt with a initial grimace that seemed to fade within a minute or so. 5 mins later I dumped the load inside her and collapsed.

About 6am, I woke up and we shagged again, in the regular hole, before I shot the load into her mouth. She really loves the poke and I can get away with anything with her.

In summary, 2 nights, 3 loads dumped, one in a butt, 2 in mouths.

PS .. "claudia" from hard rock texted me late on Sunday. She thanked me for the drink and cheekily wanted to know if I had a good night on Saturday night (she knew I was drinking with and left with Tasha). "Claudia" has just become my next project.

rm... nice to see some activity at the new HRC. You mentioned something that I'd like to clarify, are you under the impression that CF receives a cut from the working girls there???

I'd appreciate know what you know about this because this is the first that I've heard about CF collecting from the girls. I do know that the bouncers were shaking a few of the girls down for a cut, but I've been told that the owner has taken steps to keep this from happening.

CAt: I have no information on specifics, but I have to suspect they dont pay the same as everyone else. I also dont know exactly how they stop the working girls entering before 12:30 - 1am. I mean some are regulars, but how do they know for sure who is a working girl and who isnt?

Well everyone, I am back from my visit. A real eye opener, and that's not all that was opened!!

I stayed at Radisson, which is west of centre, near Kievskaya metro. Excellent standards, great breakfast, nice fitness centre, and they let girls in, but the documentation check was a bit of a pain, especially if you're trying to be low key. The check is done away from reception and bar though, so not too embarrassing.

Went to NF early as I suggested to a friend we include as an essential tourist visit. Eating here would have been a better option to avoid entry charge on reflection. Not the 9s and 10s I had been told about by friends who visited 2 and 4 years ago, but a few 9s and mainly 7s and 7.5s. All quoted $300 at that time - Marina was the best looking, and I was surprised her price was same as a 5 who was first to attach herself to us! Prices came down to £200 after a while, but no lower -maybe later in night but we never got back.

Avoiding lit taxis, and using gypsy cabs instead we went to CF and had a great time. Just watching, drinking and flirting was good fun. The place was busy, with many football fans in the place and I think this kept prices high. $150 was the usual quote, and I was amazed at how many of the girls were being controlled (mamochka) at a nearby table. One particular beauty on our second visit really wanted to go with me for $100, but after she went back to Mama, the answer was a firm no and we went our separate ways. Dr Skank would be proud of me for not adding to the spiralling inflation.

CF was really just a tease as we'd already decided it had to be a tochka debut for the two of us. Agreed to pay our taxi driver 300 rbl for drive to as many tochkas as we needed and then drop us off at our separate hotels (my friend stayed in Marriot).

The tochkas referred to near Marriot seem to have temporarily (maybe permanently) moved on. Pretty lifeless on Tverskaya to be honest. However, loads on Garden Ring and around CF. First couple were very quiet with just 2-5 girls, but further up the ring we struck gold. Out they all came to greet us, about 20 of them. What a sight, a real jaw-dropper! Mainly 6s and 7s with a couple of cute 8.5s We made our selections, agreeing £100 for 7am finish (about 2am now) and demanding 'minyet bez preservativ' (BBBJ)!!!

My blond was geuninely Russian, Natalya, slim, 20 years old, about 5'5" and after dokumenti fiasco we got up to room and after shower were soon down to action. Making an effort to speak russian, giving her a good massage and making her tea seemed to please her no end. BJ after uncovered BJ, rimming, DFK, sex, sex and more. Shagged non stop til about 5am, and she added in faltering Angliskii "I come never...but tonight"....an ego boost if nothing else.

We woke about 8.30am, well exactly because of my alarm, but she wrapped her arms around me and refused to let me get out of bed! After sucking me off I had to get ready for work meeting. I was fully dressed and getting a bit worried about getting the sleeping beauty to leave! Eventually another cup of chai got her moving and she went for a shower. I prepared for my meeting and she came out of shower, dropped the shower and started playing with herself on the bed saying "so this...do svidanya". Cheeky, but funny ho! What could I do but go down again and ram the arse of her. After another shower each, at precisely 10.05am she finally left, and I managed to stagger to my work, bleary eyed and with an aching cock - my best night's shagging since I was 18. Viva la tochka!

Not enough time now, but I will regale the tales of the rest of the trip later - sadly that was the unrepeated highlight!

a nice tochka story Knight

Get any happy snaps?

Knight,

Great report, glad you had fun. I think you made some wise decisions and sounds like your tochka girl was a top choice.

Regardng the $150 quoted prices at CF, there was a rash of this about a year ago but then it disappeared. The last several times I was there I almost always got quoted $100 and even those girls who started by quoting $150 or more were very quickly at $100.

Sounds like there may be some mamachkas and pimps demanding higher prices from their girls on particularly busy nights, but unlike many other places, many if not most of the girls at CF are operating independently and free to determine their own prices.

We should all keep an eye on this, it would be a shame if the CF scene become dominated by more organized rings. I tend to think that the CF management will minimize this. They should, as if prices standardize at $150 many people like myself will completely foresake CF for other $150 or $100 options available elsewhere.

mm/uncle otto... rec'd private messages from you both but I was unable to retrieve them because there was nothing in the inbox. Please contact me via a private message using the WSG Forum's Private Message service with MOSCOW in subject line.

knight... nice report. sounds like you had a good time. However, I do question one thing... you had the NF girls offer US$300 which is typically the opening price, but you got them down to GBP200. Isn't that actually more than US$300? Plus, at the tochka, if you paid GBP100 weren't you actually paying $160+?

At the same time, I am surprised by the observation of a mama working girls at CF. There is only one girl, tall blond, that seems to have several girls that routinely hang around her. If you were talking to one of her girls I can understand it.

rm... I'll investigate this further, but the WG don't pay anything to enter except on the weekends or the night before a holiday just like everyone else. Now it may be possible that the bouncers are shaking some of the girls down for a spif, but I don't know. I do know for a fact that a brit expat, former SAS, has been hired to prevent that from happening. How do they keep the WG out? That's a good question and obviously a few of the new girls are able to sneak by and get in earlier. But, we also have to remember that the bouncers are there every single night and they see everything. They can see who comes in, they look in their purse, and they see who they leave with. We on the other hand, may go several nights a week for maybe 2 or 3 weeks and then we leave for a while. A new girl for us may be a regular that we just haven't seen yet.

I know when I first started going to Moscow, I'd go to CF every night for 7-8 weeks within a 13 week period. It was amazing how you could immediately recognize the WG and a newbie stood out like a beacon in the night!

One comment about the $100 pricing, I am very surprised that since the USD has dropped from about 34 rubles/1 USD to less than 30/1 that there hasn't been either a universal shift to euros or an escalation in the pricing with USD. I hope that does not happen because the relatively good value that we have experienced in Russia would all of a sudden seem less attractive. That would make the Ukraine or the Russian boondocks very attractive.

CA-Trav, and everyone else - re my report below, slip of the finger on keyboard. Should have said $200 (not UK pounds) in NF. Re the mamas at CF, definitely spotted one small dark haired slightly plump woman with a shaven headed guy, both about 40, where at least 4 girls headed to discuss things. Now this must have bee price as the one young girl in blue dungarees who quoted me $150 definitely wanted to go with me (my mate agreed), but I laughed at $150 and she couldn't get her mamochka to budge.

On the first night I availed myself of the half price token for Spearmint Rhino as I had an hour to kill (about 9.30pm) and it was reasonably near my hotel after a nice stroll down Arbat market (lots of street hos here too, but doubt they were beacon girls). Just to let the board members know, it was $15 for topless and $30 for nude private dance. Obviously I steered clear and just enjoyed the floor show with stunning dancers. Most just flashed the beaver for a few seconds before the end of their routine, but some gave a good few minutes gyrating, open legged value! Great number and quality of girls, but I also advise any strip afficionados to search out Oh La La or Safari Club.

Working girls in the Radisson were apparently only charging $150, and two of the six or seven were quite good-lookers apparently, although I only have second hand word on that. I also suspect that if you book early they will try to finish the job with you within 2 hours and return for more easy pickings - it's amazing how many at my hotel were afraid to set foot outside the confines of the hotel.

The second tochka I visited was much later at night, about 3.30am, and this really is too late for the best pickings. I didn't see anything I liked, the gypsy cab had already taken me to 4 line-ups and we were both getting fed up. I asked Mamochka for any more girls and she pulled one more cute small lass into the line-up. She was about a 7-7.5 with a very tidy frame, so I handed over the dollarov.

She was Moldovan, which caused even more problems at the Dokumenti Stasi waiting by the hotel entrance! 10 minutes later we were in my room and I soon got the feeling she was using a few delaying tactics. The delights of the previous night were a rapidly fading memory when I eventually got oral. When I shot my load she started almost crying and ranting on in Russian about her daughter in Moldova. To be fair it really was her birthday (I was shown a picture of her kid, and her daughter's D.O.B. was on her ID card), but her sadness at choosing to be apart from her was non of my business. I opened a bottle of wine to try to get her to open up a bit more, and loosen inhibitions. Think it simply made her more morose. Got another BBBJ and shag, which to be fair weren't bad, but unlike 24 hours earlier it was not overly stimulating. Indeed the last BJ I more or less demanded just to feel I got value, which is probably a bit crappy of me. After that I had no interest and asked her to leave.

On reflection of my trip I wanted everything, and there weren't enough hours. Maybe I should have bypassed the clubs and gone straight to NF or a tochka one night. $200 for one of the top models in NF seems a fair price if you're leaving at 10.30 or so. The girls in CF aren't as good. However I also met local girls - one from the Omen website mentioned before and another through a friend. This meant negotiating the underground, and we did meet outside a metro station, quite a few stops outside of town (south). It had only one entrance which was sensible of her to pick. Unfortunately we got on great, she was intelligent and warm, but she had a mate along for mutual support and they weren't up for a threesome on first night. Other girl wouldn't leave without her mate either so although I had a good time being shown around the hot ngihtspots of Mockba, it was a barren evening in the sack. We're still emailing and I know that if (When) I return there's a freebie waiting. The russian girls seem really loyal - this lass wanted to see me the next night but was at a friend's birthday party which she'd already emailed me about prior to my visit, and would not let her down. I get the feeling she won't let me down next time!!

If I think of anything else to report I'll add it. Cheers to all contributors who directly or indirectly helped, especially the language guide, which I printed out before I left!

Knight-

thankyou for sharing all, excellent reports.

I would echo the thoughts of others like CA-Trav re Tochcka girls, definitely a good way to go for nice girls and GFE's. I managed to find good pickings even at 2am but as said i wouldnt think wise to leave much later.

Roger Mellie-

the Anya you mention - is she the Anya I posted a pic of a while back? If so I know you will have been happy !


Again, thanks to all and hats off to the regular experts, must start saving to return again !

DT

DT - no thats not her.

Knight,

You still did very well, even though you felt like you could have had more. Even in a banner week with 3 freebies and 2 p4p lays I'd feel like I could have had more. Moscow will turn you into a greedy glutton...and it's great! Forget ever getting it out of your system. You are hooked.

I think the Moldavan story is funny in regards to the birthday of her daughter. Sad, but interesting in the sense that I had a Moldavan girl over a year ago on HER birthday. She also showed me her id. Maybe Moldavan girls always have an ID of their own or a relative who has a birthday with them to try to extract more cash from their clients? :) Worked with me, I gave her my phone. Then again, it could have also been the bottle of soviet champagne that put me in such a generous mood. Her pics are in the photo gallery.

And you are right, most newbie western businessmen are afraid to leave the safe confines of their hotel, which is just fine for me, it gives us more time to exploit the situation on our own.

I have never been to NightFlight, but am entirely unsurprised that there are pimps, male or female working the joint. I only know Saint Petersburg in Russia, but in all the places that ever get mentioned in that fair city, there are guys or girls 'managing' the girls. Somtimes it might be a guy, who at first look is with a girlfriend, until you see him with another girl and you realise that he is just 'displaying' his merchandise. You will see them giving the girls a 'pep talk', from time to time. The women are perhaps a little more discreet, but if you see a girl who is a little older, maybe a little less good looking than the others, but with an air of authority, to whom the girls go by and talk to, then you just saw the mama.

When your 'bride de nuit' excuses herself to say goodbye to her 'friend', who do you think she is talking to?

The security in most places are hired by the club, they also manage the girls. Want to know how they keep girls out before midnight? The doorstaff know who the girls are, becasue the girls either work for them, or pay rent to them. In most places the girls pay rent to the doorstaff. I have some figures for Saint Pete: Marstall $100 per week, Tribunal $20 per customer, Magrib $20/39 per customer, The German place on Nevski/Groboedova is just $10. All the girls will be paying in NightFlight, Chesterfields etc. I just don't know the figures.

BTW, if a girl does not want to pay rent, she will sometimes arrange a 'date' for the following night, or perhaps later the same night. She will not want to leave with you. Sometimes a genuine civilian will get hassled by the doorstaff for rent becasue she is leaving with a foreigner...
The girls themselves are merciless. If they spot another girl who is working but not paying rent, then they will tell the doorstaff who will then enroll her in the system.

Sorry for the long post without details of shagging, bu tperhaps interesting nonetheless?

Dear fellow Moscow fans:

I am considering going to Moscow for my third trip from December 30 until January 6. This period covers the New Year Eve and it ends just before the Russian Orthodox New Year. Has anyone been to Russia around then. Is it business as usual, or things are rather slow? Your feedback about whether it makes sense to be in Moscow around these dates will be greatly appreciated.

knight... again, a very nice report. Like doc, I think you crammed a lot into your short visit to Moscow. Remember though as you sit at home, that everything you experienced and more is going on at that exact moment in Moscow! :)

You also stated, "The russian girls seem really loyal "... This is a very good cover for them, IMHO the FSU girls are always on the lookout to upgrade their current situation, be it mobile phone, shoes, and, especially, men!

db, et al... I can't speak with authority on any club other than CF, but, unless it is absolutely a "State Secret", the girls, with the exception of the normal entrance fee, do not pay on a daily/weekly basis to be there. If a security guy is caught shaking down the one of the girls, he is immediately fired. I can not be more explicit about my source of this information, but when it comes to DMBH there is no higher authority. In addition, as I said earlier, when it was suspected that one/some of the security staff were shaking down the girls, a former SAS operative was hired to head up security during the weekend to make sure that it isn't happening. Keep in mind that the management of DMBH is smart enough to know that the working girls are the reason that so many Western men are showing up late at night.

With regards to NF and working girls, it is possible that the girls are obligated to pay something, plus it is so easy to determine who is working at NF because they all are.

Now with regards to a pimp/mama working girls at CF, anything is possible, but I just haven't seen it other than what I described earlier. However, I will try to be more observant on my next trip. Of course, I also have to admit that lately I haven't been hanging around CF until the wee hours of the morning, because it is just too easy to pickup a tochka girl and head home to the sack!

hedonist... I've never been there during that period, but my friends that live there normally leave because it is so slow. I'm sure that things will still be happening but just not on the same level as normal. I do know though that the Russians celebrate New Year's eve in a big way, so that night should be fun.

Hi guys,

Can anyone recommend a good brothel in Moscow with good looking girls for no more than $100 US an hour? I did visit one once a year or so back but I have lost the address and forgotten the name. As I am in Moscow with colleagues I don't really want to bring anyone back to the hotel.

Also can anyone give me any info on buying viagra in Russian chemists? Is it called "viagra" in Russian? Also how much should one take?

Finally I would like to recommend a driver - www.moscow-driver.com. It's a guy called Arthur who speaks great English and knows the city. The only downside is that he drives an old Warsaw pact era Lada. The chicks will not be impressed. However he is cheap and reliable and can pick up from the airport etc. He is a bit prudish though and is a bit shocked about visiting line ups.

Hedonist:

I experienced more than once Moscow during novi god and orthodox Xmas. I wrote something about that some weeks ago in this section. In my opinion, the general atmosphere changes a little bit. New year's eve is really important for Russians, probably the biggest celebration.

Even if you do find a lot of people in clubs (I think you are more interested in freebies than body-lenders) remember that:

1) the entrance fee in most of the clubs and restourants for ny's eve will be outrageous, and if you go with a gf it will be 2 times outrageous for you

2) if you don't know a girl or some friends with whom to spend that celebration, you could run the risk to really feel alone

(moreover, your situation will be clear to everyone: why should you be in Moscow during that big party? don't you have a family/friends somewhere in the world? are you REALLY in Moscow during the holiday JUST to sleep with prostitutes?)

My suggestion is that you go and experience it by yourself, but do find a gf asap so that you can make plans for new year's eve.

PS. book immediately a hotel or a flat, otherwise you pay 3 times the price, if you are able to find a place to sleep!

Gentlemen:

I have been to Amsterdam on many occasions, and will be traveling to Prague in December.

Also, I have read most of the past reports on this site about Moscow.

Can I please ask those that have traveled to Prague and Moscow, to simply give me a comparison, or tell me which one is better? I know the prices in Moscow are unbelievable!

In Moscow, what is the difference between CF & NF? Also, the independent escorts that advertise on "prostitutki.ru" for $200 - $300 for one night, are these for real? Some of them are really hot!

You can also send me private messages on WSG.

Thank you all,

Fred

cap'n... I've been to Prague about a dozen times and I love the city and the girls. However, I will tell you that there is really no comparison between the cities when it comes to sex. Moscow is in a totally different league than Prague, IMHO.

The girls on the internet in Russia can be great, but what you see is not necessarily what you get... you can't necessarily take the pictures to the bank! However, there are many, many girls on the net that offer all night for $150+ and it just becomes a challenge to find one that you can communicate with to either have her come to you or you to her.

NF and CF are totally different and at the same time, the same. NF is a classy restaurant with a bar, which is filled ONLY with working girls between 7s and 10s. Prices run between $200 - $500(if you are crazy enough to pay it). Time will typically be 1 hr to 3 hrs, depending on what time you start. (if it's early, they may be anxious to get back to see if they can do a second round with someone else)

CF is a very casual bar/disco/restaurant that caters to Russians and expats before 0030 and after that you will find working girls, expats, male tourists and a few regular Russian girls. Working girls run from 5+ to a rare 9.5. Prices run between $100 -$150 (although one should not pay more than $100 unless you've got an unbelievable winner) Time will typically be 2 hours to overnight, depending on the girl and time you start, etc.

Capt,

Completely endorse CA Trav's comments. I've just returned from my first visit to Moscow, and after quite a few trips to Prague I can honestly say 3 days in Moscow beats all the trips to Czech Republic put together.

Price, ease, friendliness, and just the damn good service. Oh, and live a little - taste the Tochka experience: read my reports below for evidence!

CA Traveler:

Thank you so much for your help and the quick response.
I think my next trip should be to Moscow. I will definitely contact you prior to leaving, to get more tips!

Thanks again,

Fred

theknight:

Thank you also for your message.

It is wonderful that Gentlemen like you and CA Trav. care and respond so quickly.

Thanks again Gentlemen,

Fred

I too have done Prague and Moscow and there is no comparison. Moscow anyday. All the info you need should be on this site. Scroll around and dig it out. But its a lot more fun than Prague.

Roger Mellie:

Thank you also for your message.

I will definitely go to Moscow next year. Believe me I have read most of the reports on this section dating back from Oct. 2003.

I just have to try Prague this year. I love to see the City, and the Czech Ladies. I had several in Amsterdam, and they were wonderful!

Fred

TO: BLAKE 7
yes, you can buy VIAGRA (tha is how they pronance - "I" not "AI" in any farmacy (apteka) or kiosks on the street. mostly 50 mg. tablets (sometimes 25)
massage salons:
www.geteraclub.ru Tel. 8(901) 982-6781, 746-6781
Or: http://erotic-massage.ru/salons.html
very inexpensive, good service
good luck

TO: Balabon38

Many thanks for the tips. Will be visiting Moscow in December and will dutifully file a report on my return.

So, I have now finalised my plans and will be in Moscow from December 7th for a week. I want to hit the ground running so to speak so does anyone have any top tips for Sunday nights in Moscow? What is Doug and Marty's like on Sundays?

Are there any other likely lads planning to be in Moscow that week who want to hook up for a beer and a lech? Didn't Dr Skank say he would be in town then?

Just some general Questions. Sorry about my ignorance but what is Tochka and how does lineup works and what are the charges for each? I'll be visiting Moscow in January for a week. Where can I find safe street action?

Hello Guys,

Leaving for Moscow next Friday with my best friend. You can read how I am happy.

Just last tips from you, I saw some places on the web that I never heard from you. Do you know this place?

Slava
Park Avenue
Dirty Dancing
Raputin

What for you is your best stip club?

Rhino
Oh la la
Safari

Thanks for your last tips.

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1398... tochka = lineup. Pricing is typically $70, $100, and $150. Not many streetwalkers in Moscow, but if you want to find them the only place I know is around Pushkin Square, mostly near the corner close to the McDonalds and/or in the street underpass/subway that goes under Tverskaya. There may be others, but I haven't seen them. I will also tell you that the quality of the SW that I've seen has been terrible.

You may want to read/study the info that has already been posted here. You'll find a lot of info that will make your trip easier.

b7... CF/DMBH is sometimes good on Sunday nights for regular girls and also after 2400 for WG. Plus it's always worth checking out and at least you'll find someone that speaks English. Some of the lineups are closed on Sunday night, but that shouldn't cramp your style too much.

FYI, the 12th is a national holiday so you can consider the 11th, Thursday, as a normal Friday night and the bars/clubs will be more crowded than usual.

I'll be arriving on the evening of the 9th, but I'm not sure of my plans for the first few days because I've got several girls that I've been communicating with and I may breakdown and see them first. If you'd like to have a beer, send me an email and a contact number and I'll call if I have some free time. I think doc is going to be around then, but he's got more pussy stashed away than you can shake a stick at so it's like pulling teeth to hook up with him. :)

Ca_T,

Glad to hear you'll be in Moscow! I'll arrive Dec 7 in St.P and make my way to Moscow early in the week. You are right, Thursday-Sunday should be good bar-hopping/clubbing nights.

Do you know if the Russians have to work on Sunday? It is some old Soviet-era law that when Russians get a day off in the week, like a Friday, they'll have to work the Sunday to make up for it. Doesn't apply to all holidays, but to many.

Got your number and will touch base. ..BTW, I think it was you up to your ears in it last time!

I hear you on the breaking down and calling your contacts, I'm trying desperately to resist and keep at least one or two nights open for p4p action!

B7,

PM me and maybe we can work something out. I really can't guarantee anything, I could triple-book my schedule if I felt like it. It is more of a problem than a luxury. :) Am trying to keep my Friday night slot open, a have an uncontrollable desire to find something new. If Ca_T or yourself are free that night, maybe we could bar crawl or hit a tochka together, or try to get laid at a club. Otherwise we could try to meet up after midnight on a weeknight at CF or elsewhere.

1398,

I don't know anyone who approaches streetwalkers. You'll see them occasionally and apparently Kievsky Voksal (Kiev train station) is a place to find them among others, but I wouldn't suggest it. They aren't necessarily cheap either and the quality is low from what I've viewed. The really skanky ones are sometimes called "vodka hos", and many are herion addicts or alcoholics. I don't think this is what you mean by street action though. The other channels such as CF, tochki, massage salons, internet sites...all well-documented in recent posts (use the forum search function)... are better and safer alternatives and there is something for nearly every price category and taste. The internet sites will go as low as $50 in some cases, the tochkas start at $70 and the salons also offer "solutions" in the same price range. For tochka and internet action, I doubt you'll find something worthwhile under $100, the massage salons are a different story but don't offer overnight, which I prefer. My honest suggestion for a newcomer is to hit CF and NF, even if you don't partake. If you mean safe street action in the form of a tochka, go to CF first to check it out and then have a taxi there take you to a tochka. They are quite safe in my opinion.