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To jes007,
Great report jes! congratilation is really helpful.
About the age and the clothes. The interesst was more on the Hugo Boss clothes and on your watch and not on your age or on your looke. I guess they saw only $$$ on you. But maby i'm wrong, i can tell you after my Tripp, because im 30 and also normal good looking...but i don't have a Hugo Boss suit.
I hope they let me in to the NF whit normal clothes?
doctor_skank,
Thank you for the update on the Marriott Hotel, sounds good!
Take care
Swissman
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To Swissman,
I don't think it's a problem to get in to night flight as long as your clothing are ok. I don't wear Hugo Boss suits all the time either. The security and the manager was great. They have really nice food too!
Enjoy your trip!
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Jes007,
Yeah boooy...sounds like you had a really great time in Moscow! Thanks for the report, was really interesting. And congratulations on your good time, it is not everyday that you get a personal Moscow tour from a NF girl! Did I understand correctly that some of the off duty NF girls showed up at Garazh? Might be a good place to get some action. I would call it freebie action, but seldom is even freebie action truly free :)
My comments/observations, any feedback from the other guys would be appreciated:
$150 seems quite high for D&M/CF, but for top quality broads this might be the going price, especially on busy nights. I've never paid more than $100 there. Do prices go up or down in summer, or is there no seasonal correlation?
$200 as opening price for Night Flight is lower than it was a few weeks ago, where $300 was opening price and $250 was realistic. Have prices gone down there, maybe a new club policy?
Kissing:
In my opinion, at those prices all girls should kiss and kiss passionately, if they won't, make them. In a nice way. :) I've only had one that wouldn't, and curiously enough she was one of the ugliest I've ever had. Seems to me that Russian girls, working or normal, really love to kiss. And kissing is an essential part of the experience for me.
Condom:
BBBJ is pretty common, I think this is the only kind I've had while in Russia...never had anybody try to put on a condom. Actual sex always with condom, which is the way I do it anyway. Just a rule that one should stick to.
Night Flight:
The place does have a great restaurant and a really friendly helpful staff and if you go to the restaurant you don't have to pay the $20 entrance fee...so even though the prices are high in the restaurant, it balances out. And the food is great. Even though the prices for girls at NF are higher than many other places, Night Flight is a must see if you haven't been there yet. The girls rock in the looks department... but many also very professional in the negative sense. Some NF girls will show up at D&M/CF late at night. The girls get around.
Swissman: Dress code at NF is "classy", but you don't have to wear a suit. Just dress nice. This is pretty much a rule everywhere in Russia, it is definitely a class society and you want to show everybody which class you are in. If you dress down, dress "cool" down. That works too...but it still should look expensive!
Russian girls and designer goods:
Designer goods of any type are the Russian girls favorite aphrodisiac... they can't get enough of it. They are actually really superficial in that aspect compared to other girls around the world, but if you play your cards right you can use this to your advantage. The best are things that are labeled, like a Boss shirt, an expensive watch or a D&G belt or something like that. Coming from the West, you cannot convince a Russian girl that you aren't rich...and if you moan about money to them, you will be considered a loser and your sex appeal will plummet.
Money = Power = Sex : fact of life in Russia (and most other places too, but in Russia it is blatant)
There are exceptions to this of course and I know a lot of really wonderful Russian non-superficial girls... but you likely won't meet them at pick up bars and clubs! I say, go with it and use whatever advantages you have, money or otherwise, to get some play...
Oops, I've written too much...on a tirade again! Sorry!
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JES007, very nice report!
Couple of comments, Skank, MD, is correct. If you're going to NF anyway, you may as well have dinner there. If you choose to (and don't get carried away!) you can eat something for basically the cost of the normal cover charge. Plus, you get to watch all of the girls go in and out of the WC as you snack.
I've found that the action at NF starts MUCH earlier than at CF(D&M Boarhouse). The NF girls will arrive at 11:00 (2300) or so during the week. The weekend is supposed to be less active at NF. There is absolutely no reason to go to CF before 2400 or 0030 because they don't let the ho's in until then. Plus, Friday and Saturday nights are very crowded with regular Russians and even at 0030 it'll still be packed with regular RU girls... be very careful that you're not hitting on some drunk RU guy's girl or you may feel the wrath of his anger and get to meet the CF bouncers up close and personal. A lot of the regular RU girls will clear out before 0100 so they can catch the Metro... otherwise, they'll probably be there all night and are fair game after 0100, but I'd play them as regular girls first without offering $$$ and then let them tell you that they have a "sick sister" or not!
I also have never paid more than $100 at CF, except for two sisters for a double session and it was worth every extra farthing! My experience at NF is that they start at $300+ and drop to $200 fairly easily. I have a friend that goes there a lot and says on some of the slow nights they'll go to $150, but YMMV.
Doc, is exactly right, dress classy everywhere you go... the big exception is CF. You can wear anything there and get away with it. The girls won't care one way or the other.
I've stayed at all of the Marriotts and the Tverskaya is very nice, but on the bottom of the three for quality and location. If you're going to CF, there is no need to cross Tverskaya in the underground passage to get a car. You stop one in front of the hotel going North and then he'll turn right in a couple of blocks to take the Garden (I think) Ring road directly to Metro Kurskaya. CF/Boarhouse is directly across the street from the Metro and the new shopping mall, The Atrium (pronounced AH tri um). For the Metro from the Marriott Tverskaya, walk north to the big square and the Metro Belorusskaya is catty-corner across the square in the big ornate building.
Two good clubs are near the Tverskaya/Metro Belorusskaya, Dirty Dancing and Voodoo Lounge. In addition, the lap dance club, Platinum, is very close.
Another good spot around the NF, Garage, Cafe Pushkin, Pushkin Square area is the Pyramid. Nice place for a cup of coffee and to watch the girls. Most are regular girls, but some working girls stop in there early before heading to the clubs. In the summer, they have a outdoor seating and the views of the talent are spectacular!
I have two suggestions for new visitors to Moscow. 1. Learn the Cryillic alphabet because not all of the street signs have the Romanized name AND some of the clubs names are not in English or Romanized letters. 2. Pick up a map of Moscow in the Cyrillic alphabet to use in conjunction with your tourist map with Roman alphabet. There's a big bookstore just North of Red Square on Tverskaya and they sell nice maps for 32 Rubles ($1)
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CA traveller
I agree with you about NF. The dinner prices at very low compared to the other good restaurants. And the swedish chef Leander makes great food. I didn't have my dinner there because I had my dinner with my collegues.
Last thing I wanted is to get in trouble with the security guys, but most of the guys seemed friendly.
I will be back in Russia soon!
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Night Flight:
The restaurant can be recommended but "very low" the prices aren't...$7 (210 rubles) for a Corona is pricey even by Moscow standards and any main course will run $25-30. The "special" costs $23 (700 rubles). Portions are relatively small. So I would say the prices are average for upper class eating, in the "Scandanavia" or "Uley" range. The menu is also quite limited in range, but the food is excellent. A lot of fish meals, but also delicacies like reindeer steak. I think they said they fly in the ingredients from Sweden, like "Scandanavia" does as well.
So if you are going to NF anyway to monger, save the $20 entrance fee by dining there first...you won't go wrong. Or if you want to check out NF and have to eat anyway, why not go to the retaurant and check out what NF has to offer?
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This is a message to all the "foreigners" who come to Moscow just for a short time and hang out at Chesterfields/Boar House. The maximum price you pay for ANY girl here is $100 for the night !!! This is the standard rate and ALL girls will accept this. You idiots are driving up the price. I have been in Moscow for many years but recently mediocre looking *****s are asking for $150 or even $200 for the night - I kept looking around to see if I was mistakenly in Night Flight !!!
In most other western countries I know you pay a lot more. But lets keep the prices down here In Moscow there are thousands of good looking *****s so no need to fuck the first one you pick. If any chick asks for more than $100 and is insistent, just say no politely and walk away - trust me she will back. $100 for a night is better than nothing. Ok, enough warning.
Some other info about working girls :
1. NF - all *****s here are 9 or 10. Try to bargain them down to $200 for the night. Don't let them fool you when they say they have to leave early or can only stay a few hours - pick someone else. The drinks at the bar are very expensive, so this is not the place to relax and take your time - decide which girl you want, negotiate and leave. You can easily run up a drinks bill of $100 in less than an hour.
2. Safari Lodge - interesting place. Downstairs (500 Roubles cover charge) - Strippers/Lapdancers cost 100 Roubles a song. Most of them very pretty but they don't do sex. The other girls who don't dance are available for sex (but they are very ordinary) - they have rooms downstairs - cost between $70 - $100 for 1 hour. I don't see the point as for that price you can get a chick at the Boarhouse and fuck her all night.
3. Internet site - dosug.nu - need to speak Russian though. Very reliable, safe and the girls are the actual ones you see on the internet. You may be lucky if you phone and someone may speak English. Prices vary $50 an hour to $300 a night. But here you get what you pay for.
4. Tochka's - best value for money and good fun. Just ask any taxi driver for a "dyevushka" - means young lady. You will need to give the taxi driver another 100-200 Roubles extra and he will take you to a few tochka's so that you can see the ladies. When you drive up the mamochka will say $70, $100 or $150 - don't bother with the $70 unless you are drunk and your vision is blinded or you are on a tight buget. Generally the $100 girls are fine. Pick one, make sure they come to the car so that you can see them upclose. Pay the mamochka and off you go. $100 is generally for the night - the girls usually have to be back at "home" at about 8:00am, so even if you pick them up at 3am or 4am they still have to leave your place at 8:00am - so the earlir you go the better.
Ok, enough for now. If anyone has any questions, please ask.
[blue]I know exactly how you feel. I live in Buenos Aires, and the same thing is happening here with Americans driving the price up by bidding against themselves.
Jackson[/blue]
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My frist visit in Moscow a short report about...
I have only one world about the girls there unbelievable!
Marriott Tverskaja
Very nice Hotel wiht a good restaurand too (grazi who serves italian food). There was no problem to bring a girl in to the Hotel. Nobody was asking us, we just walked in. In the Morning the girls was askin that i should companion her to the exit. I dont know why.A bad thing on the Hotel is the prices 250$ per night. When you are on a Businesstripp is it ok....but ohterwise it's hurts.
My plan was to go to NF and Chesterfield. But i was on the first evening in the NF and i was i saw there was unbelievable, so i make the decision to go only to the NF because i had only 3 nights in Moscow after then i was traveling whit the supplier to Vladivostok.
NF
Cool Club in Western Style. The first evening i was there only in Bluejeans, shirt and a leahter jacket. The security guy was stoping me and was asking something in russian. I told him, english please. And he said oh sorry...please go in. So from this side was no problem to go in, ok i was the only one in bluejeans.
But it seems the girls dont matter this. I was walking to the bar to get a beer and a girl was start chatting whit me before i gad my beer. If you go to NF the girls know that you wanna pay her for sex so dont warry about designer goods..
I had just one problem in the NF, they are so many girls how you choose a girl? I mean i had some problems to say a girl who was starting chatting whit me that i dont want her... and she left....the next girl was starting chatting....i like more to choose be my self...
The Manager of the club are very friendly i was chatting whit one off it, i guess his name was licker or so.
Action whit NF-Girls
I had 3 girls from there. Every girls was doing a nice bj wiht out condom the rest was whit condom. Is ok for me i dont make it whit out. Analsex was only whit one of the girls possible. Finally everting was great. The Girls was 3-4 hours whit me. And one funy thing was happen whit one girl.
Line ups
I never was looking for it, but i saw some "singlegirls" in the evening who was looking for customers on the Tverskaja street. I was asking one Girl, and the only word in english she was know was 100$. So i decision to walk away...
Vladiwostok
Sorry no info about i was all the time whit the supllier.....i have no idea about action there
Greetings
Swissman
*I hope to be back soon*
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Swissman... the Marriotts make you escort the girls down because they want to make sure that you are still breathing and no lying up in your room in a pool of blood!
Glad you had a good time... it's always interesting to hear the perspective of a first-time monger to Russia tell about his experiences. The worst thing about Moscow and Russia is that you will never be able to get it out of your mind. At least with me, it soon becomes the standard for judging mongering action around the world! I'm going back next week for three weeks and I can't wait!
Too bad you missed CF/BH... it's a totally different scene compared to NF and a lot of fun.
SM2... Nice report, but I would suggest that you may be missing something if you pass on the $70 lineup girls. Many times, the newbies start in the $70 line because they don't have the confidence to start higher and they want to be sure to be picked. Actually, a couple of my best lineup experiences have been $70. Besides, it doesn't cost anything to look!
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CA,
I totally agree about the lineups.... some of the freshest are there, but you have to be picky.
I'm going to be in Moscow starting the 16th till the beginning of June. Email me if you want to have a beer. michaelgage@mail.ru
[QUOTE]Originally posted by CA traveler
SM2... Nice report, but I would suggest that you may be missing something if you pass on the $70 lineup girls. Many times, the newbies start in the $70 line because they don't have the confidence to start higher and they want to be sure to be picked. Actually, a couple of my best lineup experiences have been $70. Besides, it doesn't cost anything to look! [/i][/QUOTE]
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Well I just came bak from Moscow. I even decided to renew my citizenship to go there without visa:) Yeaa it was that good:)
About some places:
CF: If you associate yourself with middle aged, overweight ,bolding man with no taste .,go there. You would feel right at home.
Places reeks of smoke and BO. Public are circus freaks. Girls are average to ugly at best. Ridiculous.
I stopped there twice just to make sure and on both nights same scene old guys drink fucking Guinness. Well pretty much that is how they spend time in US ...If you ok looking ,speak a little Russian or just have allergy to Irish pubs stay the hell away from that place It is DUMP.
On second thought it is actually good that all those characters hang at CF. Makes my chances running into them at nice places slim to none.
NF Good place to chill and watch girls.Take one home if you like. But don’t listen to horny Americans who say that girls there are 9-10... Bull Shit. You won’t see any 9s there let alone 10s
But overall ***** quality is not bad considered that they ask 200-300 for a night.
If you speak Russian go to clubs in down town that don’t have cover charge . That is where you find nice student-chicks. Who will bed you right away and for free. Girls are aggressive have no one to fuck with(no one decent looking) therefore will jump on opportunity to sleep with nice guy right away. Russian women are very straight forward about sex, they think like man. If they like you they will fuck you.
Personaly I had girl from out of town come to Moscow by train (6 hours one way) with her girlfriends just so they can have fun with us in Moscow. They were some sort of dancers or strippers. I was amazed by that...
Girls would go to such a lenghts to get laid....Unfukingbeliveable.
God bless mother russia especially ugly and drunk male population. Lack of decent men created unbeliveable situation in which any decent guy would feel like a Rock Star.
Happy Hunting.
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mohctep:
I am heading to Moscow very soon. I am into the clubbing scene and prefer picking up regular girls to *****s. Last/first time I was in Moscow I checked out Voodoo, Karma Bar and Hungry Duck and occasionally got laid for free, but I had to really chat up the ladies. These clubs have hefty covers in terms of Moscow scale unlike those you've been to. They are decent, but girls are not throwing themselves at you. To put things into perspective, I'm young, realtively good looking, in good shape and can easily connect with ladies. Could you recommend a few places that you liked in this last trip of yours? I think I need you to direct me to right venues...
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mohctep,
Thanks for your persepective. If you can recommend any no-cover clubs (like Dirty Dancing or whatever), I'd appreciate it. Also if there is any particularly good place for weekdays, like Wed and Thurs in particular, that would really help. I agree that no-cover places are the best for picking up normal Russian girls... they are still impressed by Western guys there. :) Upscale clubs are more difficult.
Have to differ on your opinion of CF though.
CF really isn't that awful. It certainly isn't upscale in any way, but for first time and occassional travellers it is a good easy access way to find affordable professional pussy. Things like tochka or telephone services are intimidating for non-Russian speakers on there first trips to Moscow, and CF offers a good alternative. Quality is defintely hit and miss. I was disappointed a year ago at the available quality and stopped going for awhile, but my last two trips were great, and also got an effortless freebie there. I'll agree though that it isn't a "cool" club for young Russians to go to and "normal" Russian girls (where the best quality can be found) usually won't go there... and limiting yourself to CF and NF won't give you a real idea of what Russian girls are... these places are both strictly pick up joints for expats. Quality in my opinion ranges from 5-8 depending on night an luck.
NF is nice but isn't a real club either...and the prices are too high to make it a real habit place. I also agree with mohcetp that NF rarely feautures a true 9 or 10....but there are a lot of very good 7-8's there and the occassional model quality babe can also be had.
Picking up freebies is easier in Russia than in other places, but it isn't "automatic" in any way...even for expat Russian speakers, and especially for guys going out alone, with only a couple of days time in Russia, work appointments to be met, limited to weekdays (not there on weekends), limited Russian language ability etc...
BTW: I'm a young(ish) guy, good-looking and very capable of picking up women in any country... I've been to several clubs in Moscow with good success...but also went home alone as well sometimes. If I am looking for a sure thing at affordable prices without having to make a real effort...then CF is a decent place to go. If the quality sucks there...as it sometimes does, then get a taxi and go to a lineup.
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Hi,
I go back in June to Moscow *yeah a short question are the rules to tanke a girl into the room in the Sheraton Palace Hotel the same as in the Marriott Tverskaja?
I guess i go on the end of June so if anybody there this time we can go for a beer toghter...
Thanks
Swissman
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MG... Sent you an email... i'm at californiatraveler@hotmail.com if you don't get it. I'm here until 27 May.
Swissman... my experience at the sheraton is that you must register the girls with the front desk. That's a problem if they don't have papers or a passport. I'd stick to the Marriotts or the Renaissance.
monster... monster... monster... CF is an "Irish" pub?... are you sure you're talking about the same CF that so many people know and love? My experience at CF has been a wide mix of people, both Russians and Ex-pats of every age that you can imagine... All old men drinking Guinness... LOL... I have seen a few brits drinking the dark brew, but I don't recall seeing vast quantities being consumed by anyone. It is true that some of the "regular" girls are a little long in the tooth, but you can't forget that "one person's trash is another person's treasure!" I personally prefer a young girl, but you can't deny that even some young guys like a mature woman. Just like in any situation and at any club, you have to find the one that appeals to you. There have been several knockouts there after 0030 this last week. Of course, I've also noticed that the asking price is slowly creeping up to $150, but at least you can head out to a couple of nearby lineups and have your choice of at least 150 girls for $70, but mostly $100 for the night. Last night, I spent 9 hours with a very innocent looking 18 y.o. In fact, I didn't even have time for my Guinness at CF! :)