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I'd personnaly choose without any doubt Sao Paulo ;
Upmarket real estate in Sampa is quite cheap (at least compared to my home country) and i very seriously consider in the next two years to buy an appartment there, to be my 'older days' mongering headquater (i'm 46 yo) : a square meter for a up market condominium in Morumbi or Jardims is about 3000 Reals (800 €) ... i can't imagine nothing but a 'cobertura' (highest floor) with a private pool to relax with garotas !!
From what i know, it's two times cheaper in the 'interior' (Campinas, Ribeiro P), maybe 1000/1500 reals/square meter for upmarket appartments....
...and should be much much more expensive in Rio (Zona Sul)
Second that.
JW
Also, I've got some good dope on the naturalization requirements and tax number process (vital if you want legal authority in court if you own property).
JW
P.S. Short answer: If you get a girl pregnant, you get an 18 year visa -- but she can legally bar you from exiting the country. There're better ways to do it.
JW, any info about requirements to buy property in Brasil are precious, thanks in advance for anything you could post on the subject ; from what i already know, a CEP number is required to open a bank account, and to 'legaly exist' in Brasil.
PS : About real estate, check www.cyrela.com.br , they have a impressive portolio in SP ;
Thanks, Pro. I'll look through my stuff and put something together in the next few days.
JW
That's a CPF number you are referring to. It stands for Cadastro de Pessoa Fisica (registry of a physical person) and is similar to a social security number in the US.
To get a CPF number, just go to any Banco do Brasil branch. You'll need a birth certificate and passport. Sometimes they'll ask for proof of Brazilian address such as a utility bill in your name or a lease. So you might need a friend with a local address.
I've also heard if they ask for something you don't have, try another branch until they don't ask.
Sterling
'Oui
Sampa is a great mongering city - also lots of nightlife also culture & music.
BUT
SP - gets cold & damp during its "winter" - bad for those with respiratory & heart problems . (unfortunately thats me)
Most of the buildings - residential as well as commercial - do not seem to have modern heating systems - correct me if I am wrong.
Cidade Maravilhosa, with its beaches, and warmer weather, is more to my liking, with regular forays to visit the garotas of Sampa.
JW & Others - what are the requirements for an USA citizen to get legal residense in Brasil - other than making a Garota pregnant ??
Minimum age limit ??
Minimum $$$ per month ??
What about health insurance ??
Any other requirements ??
Muito Obrigardo
- Ate logo
Ceylon1 - ( WorldTraveller aka Charles )
Sterling, you're right,, it's a CPF ; thanks for the tip about Banco D Brasil, does other banks in Brasil can do it ? (i'm thinking about HSBC) ;
Ceylon, check www.patrimovel.com.br , they get a large portfolio in all Rio's Zona Sul ;
Pro
Pro, no only Banco do Brazil, it's the STATE BANK of Brazil so it is the only one allowed to start the process of the CPF number.
My tips,
- Get a good lawyer, the US embassy has an approved list, once a lawyer gets on this list, things are too lucrative for them to screw people over.
- DON'T let a girl you meet show you an aprtment to buy etc. Many guys have been robbed this way.
- DON'T trust some gringo you meet at Meia Pataca who tells you he can help you find property etc etc, again many guys have been robbed my these crooks who act all buddy buddy at the main places on the strip.
- DON'T trust other gringos until you know their background however buddy buddy they seem. There are some broke ass gringos out there looking for a way to finance their usually ILLEGAL stay.
Regarding Coberturas, I rented a Duplex down on the Copa/Ipanema border, the upper floor would absolutely cook during the day as it had a flat roof that acted as a radiator. Before buying, I would suggest renting a place for while to see if it suits.
I live in Barra and have mostly Brasilian friends. The Grigoes I do know are Executives with OIL and Telco Companies. everyone I know is legal here. Copa is a very differnet place. I prefer to stay in Barra. In Barra you need a car but once you have a CPF you can buy a car or a apartment.
1. CPF is easy to get with a passport and lease, just go to the Banco do Brasil. Costs about R$5. Do not let anybody bullshit you.
2. Before buying a apartment, rent for 6 months. Listen to Cuting Edge about a lawyer and the Gringoes in Copa giving you advice. Look at www.oglobo.com classifieds, learn the market.
3. Opening a bank account is more difficult but all tourist can have a tourist account with a maximum R$10,000. To open a normal account you need a permanent visa and a job unless your retired with a permanent Visa.
4. Take some portuguese lessons, get a private tutor.
5. Never talk your business with a girl, they are very smart and know people you never want to meet. They do this for a living. Just be careful!
Hey guys,
I have a few questions about a few cities in Brazil. Does anyone know about Niteroi, Fortaleza, and Natal? Im moving to Brazil next year, and I would like to know about a med. sized city with a good nitelife, nice women, and most of all not as much crime.
Please let me know what you guys know about those places, and if anything that Im leaving out let me know.
Thanks
Undray
Hello all,
Thought I'd add a few points to this section.
I'm an expat living in Rio, have been here for 5 years.
I'm living in Barra as well, but have seen most of the 'points of interest', as far as this forum goes, anyway.
Bullet points as follows.
- Non pros. Not too difficult to arrange. Many good nightclubs. I also live in Barra. As of now (March '04), the hot one is Nut (might be spelled Nuth). It's pretty busy at weekends, and a foreigner will always attract some interest.
My tip - remember you're the foreigner, not them. While the girls might find this 'fascinating' the guys might find this threatening. Brazilians are on the whole exceptionally friendly, but like anywhere else, they don't appreciate 'rich foreigners' waving dollars in their faces, so be discreet.
- Pros.
Several categories.
1. Street walkers. You will find these on most of the beaches. Copacabana is pretty famous for it, but you'll also find them on many of the others, including Ipanema and Barra (towards Pepe).
This really only works well if you have a car. You can, if you want, just arrange a BJ in the car, but usually you'll want to go to one of the local motels for an hour or two.
This will cost you probably around $40 for the girl, plus $20 - $30 for the room. (US$ - I converted them).
On Copacabana you can sit in one of the street bars, and the girls will wander around and sit with you - you can sit and chat with them if you want, there is no pressure to pick them up - if they spot a better prospect they will just say goodnight and carry on. can be quite fun! Again, be polite, I have seen a few foreigners just abusing the girls. That's asking for trouble.
2. Escort agencies. There are many agencies who will arrange for girls to come to you, or sometimes meet you at a motel (they prefer not to do this, for safety resons, but you will find some who will do it).
I don't know what the service is like, as I have never done this. Check out www.hotside.com.br to see what I mean.
3. Boates.
These are small clubs, which are pretty blatant about what they do.
They range from the sopisticated - anyone who has spent any time hunting in Brazil will know of Cafe Photo in Sao Paulo, who simply don't let anyone under a good 9 work there (Wow!), to small places with just a few girls.
My personal favourite is Ancora do recreio, which is a little way out of town (about 5 miles past Barra), but really nice and relaxed. They have I guess up to 15 - 20 girls working there, in a slightly scruffy, but perfectly adequate place with a pool, bar and private rooms.
You can go for a beer, and either pratake or not. No pressure. There is a cover charge, but it's not expensive - about $10.
If you want a gilr, you simply go to the cashier with her, pay the price (roughly $50 for an hour) and she will take you to a room. So far I haven't had a bad experience. The girls are all very friendly and enthusiastic, and although I'm not what you'd call a wild pervert, have never said 'no' to anything I want to do (condoms mandatory though, which is good for both of you).
One time I took 2 girls at once . . . Ah, memories!
I'm sure there are more things I can think of, which I'll add if I think of them.
If you have questions, please ask, preferably in the open firum so others can read, or PM me.
Cheers!
Undray,
I have to been to all parts of Brazil. If you like a mid sized fun city, I will have to recommend Floripa to you. It is my favorite city in Brazil. Very safe and has hundreds of beaches and lots and lots of nice ladies. Fortaleza is good for a few days but get boring after few days. Niteroi is basically a big favela. Natal is not a safe city and boring as well. You go check out Florianopolis and you will like it very much. I will go to Brasil again in July in the winter. Go to Floripa a few days to see some friends and then SP to see some more friends, then want to go to Bonito. Always like to visit Bonito for long time.