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If any reader is interested in a pregnant girl and happens to be in the area, check out this girl. I did her about a week ago. She is 6-month pregnant, 18 years old, ethnic german and blond hair which is different hair color on her photo. Her service was OK with DFK and others. For me the repetition factor is 6 out of 10 (10 means definitely repeat and 0 means definitely not repeat).
[URL]https://www.royal-passion.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=235[/URL]
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Supply demand
I agree with what Jnpr30 says. What he writes makes sense.
Jnpr30 says that the purchasing power of 50 E is continuously sliding, has been sliding, for a long time. I have seen this too. Maybe others have not, but once again, we are talking trends and not isolated cases.
The service and value one receives for a 50 buck note in the FKKs is not what it once was. The service levels are variable but the overall trend is downwards unless one opts for the 100 buck note level more and more. Going for the higher amount per session goes to show that the 50 is not buying what it once was.
50 is suck and fuck. It is becoming that DFK, DATY, 69, BLS, fingering the rosette, and rimjob needs a hundred bucks, if not more, since some enterprising girls are charging each of those as an extra and saying that the Reception condones this, and challenging to go ask since Reception says to all incoming customers that 50 is for suck and fuck and anything else is between you and the girl.
The service is suck and fuck and you are lucky if the time allotment is above 15 let along 20 minutes rather than 30 minutes since the girl will be calling time on your ass in many cases. Once again, it is not helpful, as Jnpr30 says, to say that this does not happen to you, to your FKK friend or to your father who comes to the club with you, since we are talking about trends over thousands of cases and not sub segments of monger.
There are few safe havens, not even Sharks, and those safe havens. The optics are not to my specification in looks I am afraid as much as I would like to lower my standards I know deep down I cannot and will not.
The value of fifty note in 2002 is not the same as the value of a fifty in 2018. The girls feel it and it does not matter what the cost of living is like in Romania as it is all relative. A fair amount of what is earned is still spent in Germany so that is German prices that need to be kept up. This is inflation.
As for the supply and demand matrix that Jnpr30 proposes, take the example of the codgers, young and old, that have the opportunity to attend the clubs on the quiet days and take advantage of the desperate girls wanting to make a euro note and accepting the fiddy note as to not accept the service request for that fiddy would mean not making entrance or coming away net positive as opposed to net negative. I wish I could do that but there are other obligations other than FKK in play here. I am doing my best, trying to make things right.
Not all mongers have the opportunity to go at these quiet times to take advantage of the supply / demand dynamics involved here, but some codgers do. These codgers reap the rewards of the over supply exceeding demand at these times.
There are guys I know who are coming less and less as the excitement is not there or the wow factor is gone.
I know I have become more selective now and less willing to risk a 50 due to the bad experiences that a 50 will provide.
[QUOTE=Jnpr30;2179311]There is nothing super unusual about a prostitute in a club that the laws of supply and demand breakdown. If it seems that way, the issue is with our faulty analysis.
Let me put it this way. The stated price is 50 E for x.
What is x?
Used to be BBBJ + CFS 30 min.
Is that all?
When I first began reading here 5 or 6 years ago, all senior members told me, no. Some amount of couch was included they said. What about DFK, do I need to pay? "No, included, you don't have to pay for it additionally". DATY? "Ditto, included, don't pay". BLS? Rim job? "Hmm, a bit more grey area, but many girls include it, and definitely no need to pay extra for BLS. Rim job, some may want more money".
And is that fully 30 min? "Yes, you are entitled to that full 30 min, you paid for that time".
The question is, if you aggregated and averaged over all the sessions in all the clubs, which would total several millions per year, will we have the same x as it was 6 years ago or 10 years ago?
What do we have today? Some or many or most shortchange on time, and 30 min is really 22 or 25 min if one strictly timed it. Some or many girls flat out refuse 30M50 E sessions. Some or many refuse BBBJ and DFK in 30/50. Same with DATY. BLS? Forget it, not even in 100E60M session. Couch time? Gone the way of dodo. Badgering for tips? Yes, many girls do it. Costco pricing model of "service available only if you buy in bulk amounts" yes, widely prevalent.
You can go down the list and make the comparison yourself.
If x was the service level which included all the above stuff in 2008, was it at that same level in 2011, and where was it in 2013,2015, 2017, and today?
And please, no sub-segments. None of this "a supermonger like HB and other locals like him still get the same x as he / they dd in 2008". We are talking about the actual service achieved and averaged in all the millions of sessions. Of course, we are not in the rooms, we don't know what happens in each session, but we have enough sample points in this forum to make a best guesstimate.
I have no doubt in my mind that the purchasing power of 50E is continuously sliding, has been sliding, for a long time. And it was not just a one time change on 7/1/17 or 1/1/18 or whatever magical date. Those dates might caused a bigger change than normal, but this has been a gradual, one directional loss of purchasing power for a long time, in my view.
And I am not interested in scapegoats either. "Asians caused it, 2017 law chaged it, yadda yadda". It is what it is.
And in all this time, other than clubs now saying "BBBJ is banned by law", they didn't change their list price. All these changes happened strictly as a result of girls and dudes coming together and negotiating.
So, to say supply / demand doesn't work is flat out wrong. It does. It DID.[/QUOTE]
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How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the WGs only go down their prices to certain amounts (for example to 50 euro in normal FKK clubs) and no more no matter how bad demand (monger's demand) is. How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the FKK WGs on average are not busy more than half of their working time which means oversupply (excess supply) of the WGs and their prices don't fall further down because of that. Is this MARKET supply and demand?
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2179627]If any reader is interested in a pregnant girl and happens to be in the area, check out this girl. I did her about a week ago. She is 6-month pregnant, 18 years old, ethnic german and blond hair which is different hair color on her photo. Her service was OK with DFK and others. For me the repetition factor is 6 out of 10 (10 means definitely repeat and 0 means definitely not repeat).
[URL]https://www.royal-passion.com/cms/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=235[/URL][/QUOTE]Thanks for the info, but I thought it was now strictly forbidden. Unfortunately I come back only in July.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2179671]How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the WGs only go down their prices to certain amounts (for example to 50 euro in normal FKK clubs) and no more no matter how bad demand (monger's demand) is. How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the FKK WGs on average are not busy more than half of their working time which means oversupply (excess supply) of the WGs and their prices don't fall further down because of that. Is this MARKET supply and demand?[/QUOTE]Even workers in normal jobs do not have 100% utilization. Are you saying that there is no chit chat, blah, blah, blah, no breaks, no lunch breaks, no meetings that do not end up concluding anything? That is, in your work, can you honestly say that you are working for every minute of the day performing value add?
What you are talking about now is productivity. If your workers provide low productivity then their wage growth is low meaning you can always get more workers instead of investing in infrastructure. When worker productivity improves or workers become less in number then wage growth accelerates. Supply and demand.
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[QUOTE=Bfsie;2179671]How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the WGs only go down their prices to certain amounts (for example to 50 euro in normal FKK clubs) and no more no matter how bad demand (monger's demand) is. How can we say it is MARKET supply and demand while the FKK WGs on average are not busy more than half of their working time which means oversupply (excess supply) of the WGs and their prices don't fall further down because of that. Is this MARKET supply and demand?[/QUOTE]WGs would be disciplined by management if they charged under the base 50 EUR rate (or the other WGs may intimidate her).
Many WGs in fact lower their rates. You have WGs working at 40 E /30 min clubs that formerly worked at 50 E /30 min clubs, service more or less stays the same. You have WGs that escorted for 250 E /60 min in the UK, now working at 50 E /30 min clubs in Germany. They could have went to Austria or Switzerland, but chose Germany.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2179656]
The value of fifty note in 2002 is not the same as the value of a fifty in 2018. The girls feel it and it does not matter what the cost of living is like in Romania as it is all relative. A fair amount of what is earned is still spent in Germany so that is German prices that need to be kept up. This is inflation.[/QUOTE]But Euro inflation between 2002 and today is only about 30%. 50E in 2002 is worth about 65E today. Seems like quite a few girls are operating in 100% inflation mode though.
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Let me tell you maybe you don't know sex places like brothels outside of FKK clubs. Some of brothels have minimum 120 euro per session (see the following link as an example) and I know some of them are out of business because of this kind of minimum 120 euro rule.
[URL]http://www.6relax.de/club/name/oriental_nights/from_a/club_14697[/URL]
Actually I know that the prices in most of the brothels in NRW are not based on "market" supply and demand because if they follow the market supply and demand, there would be no girls willing to work there.
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[QUOTE=CitizenKane;2179686]But Euro inflation between 2002 and today is only about 30%. 50E in 2002 is worth about 65E today. Seems like quite a few girls are operating in 100% inflation mode though.[/QUOTE]Like the stock market its about sentiment sometimes and not logic citizen.
I would like to feel the value of my unit has only gone down 30% since 2002 but when I am at the check out till to pay for goods or services it feels like a lot more value has been lost in that time. Maybe the girls have that same feeling like I do and do not get their abacus out to do the maths.
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In principle, we can't simply say it is market supply and demand if they have minimum prices, which can be lower, no matter how bad the demand is. It is just not market supply and demand as we understand it in economy.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2179643]I agree, I feel more and more, the services are no longer there for 50 bucks, let alone 100 bucks when opting for the one hour. I am finding more and more girls are insisting on 150 bucks for one hour. For certain nationalities it is 200 for the one hour even. Catastrophe.
[/QUOTE]From what I hear, 100 does not buy you what it used to, especially on busy nights. All I am really talking about is whether there is a tipping point, where mongers start exploring alternatives. The rates you mention can be juxtaposed with Bfsie's report farther down on this page about a pregnant German 18 year old working at an apartment for 120 E /60 min with DFK included. Presumably, he didn't have to pay an entry fee to see this German WG. And the receptionist probably also took a more active interest in ensuring that he left happy.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2179688]Like the stock market its about sentiment sometimes and not logic citizen.
I would like to feel the value of my unit has only gone down 30% since 2002 but when I am at the check out till to pay for goods or services it feels like a lot more value has been lost in that time. Maybe the girls have that same feeling like I do and do not get their abacus out to do the maths.[/QUOTE]They only ask for what they think they can get. I don't believe any girl is going to completely price herself out of the market on principle. The reason for this '100%' inflation is the fact that some mugs are actually paying it.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2179691] Presumably, he didn't have to pay an entry fee to see this German WG. And the receptionist probably also took a more active interest in ensuring that he left happy.[/QUOTE]You are correct.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2179681]WGs would be disciplined by management if they charged under the base 50 EUR rate (or the other WGs may intimidate her).
Many WGs in fact lower their rates. You have WGs working at 40 E /30 min clubs that formerly worked at 50 E /30 min clubs, service more or less stays the same. You have WGs that escorted for 250 E /60 min in the UK, now working at 50 E /30 min clubs in Germany. They could have went to Austria or Switzerland, but chose Germany.[/QUOTE]Romanians are not for 300 pounds in UK, they usually work in privates like in Manchester for about 150 pounds per hour.
Why do you want girls who claim to get business in Dubai, UK or Switzerland, come to work for everything asked for only 50? Girls I know who moved to Switzerland don't plan to return to Germany for less than half rate. Girls want money.
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150 euro per hour.
I am willing to pay up to 150 euro per hour if DFK, BBBJ, DATY, rimming, condom sex and nice GFE style or dirty style is provided and one is 60 min and if I can cum two times if I can in this session.
But in German FKK, it is not sure thing which made me want to minimize risk sometimes and just go for 30 min.
All in all, it is hit and miss thing, I met girl who provided me all for standard 50 euro or 60 euro, some for 100, some for 120,150 or 200 euro, it is depend.
I do however, love Globe style management where 30 min is 30 min, good session is secured kinda set up.
Summer is coming around corner, I love fucking out side, but with bit of privacy though LOL.