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Hi fellas,
Thought I’d share with you a recent p4p experience I had. Just to let you know some context, I have pretty much quit on looking for p4p in Riyad simply because of my own limitations of time and place. Hence I enjoy the hobby out of KSA as and when it can be done.
That being said, I recently had someone propose to me the whole nine yards. That is: a place, a lady, etc… All I had to do was to be there. So I said why not? The guy who was doing it also wasn’t directly involved so it was the proverbial friend of the friend case.
So I go to the eastern province where I was told everything was ready. I was taken to this house where the girl was waiting. So after my intro to the madam, the friend of the friend makes some small talk and then the madam goes in to get the girl. I didn’t have my hopes too high from the start and was mentally ready to be given a 5/10. Though I thought I was ready for a shocker but what walked in was still a let down. She was mid twenties, 4/10 face, 5/10 body. She was an Arab. The money had exchanged hands and I was at the no return point.
Before the two (friend of friend and madam) leave us to our business, I asked the madam how much time had I bought. She says as long as I want.
‘Good,’ I thought.
So we get out of our clothes and after some small talk, she gives me a bbbj which was surprisingly good. A not so good 69 followed and then we get on to the main event. She was a little tight. So I gathered that she wasn’t a pro-pro but an amateur-pro. 10 mins down the clock and I hear a baby crying somewhere in the apartment and this girl visibly nervous about it. It was her 5 month old kid.
So now she goes in overdrive and just about trying her hardest to make me come ASAP. Her efforts get harder and harder, I finally decide to be over with it and shortly afterwards, I was.
She makes some more small talk, and then apologizes and says she’s got to go because she has to calm the kid down. I was pretty angry because that isn’t the default explanation of ‘as long as I want.’
We dress, she leaves, comes in the madam and the friend of the friend and I told him that this is a rip off etc. Madam apologizes, says kid was the factor for the less time provided, and promises the moon and the stars for the next time. We leave.
Monetary damage: 500 for the girl, 200 for the place, 200 for the madam. That’s 900 Riyals. A waste surely. But since this contact was being tried out the first time so it was an unknown and I was mentally ready just to get the foot in the door. Friend of the friend says madam will definitely make up for it the next time with better girl, better place and an all nighter.
Will keep you guys posted.
Eric
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Thanks to Eric T, Rene02, JustSumFun and Swamp Rat for your comments, and thanks also for the PMs I received from various mongers.
I'll be in Riyadh soon for one week, and it looks as if it will be a quiet week. Oh well, maybe I'll get lucky; if not, then I'm glad that I'm only there for one week. At the very least, I hopefully will be having a cup of coffee with one or more fellow WSGers.
Thanks again!
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Hey eric man,
I need something here getting ready to travel but it would benice to get a piece (hopefully cheaper than what you did) before I go. Any leads?
TP
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well just few words from my experiences in ksa. a lot of fellow members already stated who difficult is to gait laid in that shity country. the things are not just difficult but dangerous as well. for more than ten years i was dealing with their hospital supplies and i can tell you for sure that the rich members of the royal family can do what ever they want. not only with imported girls but also with alcohol and drugs. in riyadh there is a hospital, the eye hospital, which is practically a big brothel. if you consider that after the first gulf crisis they replace all us and uk nursing staff with philippine, pakistani, indian, sri lankness etc. they eye hospital is the only one that has blond white skinned nurses, on 6 months contract, from russia, poland some even from scandinavia. once i was flying next to a swedish girl, photo model type, that she was leaving ksa. from what i understood with in six months she had manage to earn a fortune enough for 2 lives.
a good friend of mine, 1st pilot in saudia airlines, was telling me a lot of stories about the hostesses and the vip passengers during the so-called private flights.
i hope we all understand that these are not for the ordinary ex- patriots. these are good for the ones that can afford to pay 1000$ (and this is not a joke) for a case of 12 johnny walker red label. in the same country that airport authorities confirep001e ordinary family vacation pictures there are 7 ditoxication clinics. in a country that homosexuality is the only solution for the ordinary young arabs there are few that can have what ever they want.
i feel really relived that i am not any longer obliged to travel down there. but whenever i had to be there i was always arranging a two days brake either in bahrain or in dubai.
may god help you all to survive down there!
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Hi folks,
I'm going to be moving to Saudi long term in a few months, and aside from trips to Bahrain, I was wondering about travelling to Eritrea? The two countries are separated only by the Red Sea, and Eritrean and Ethiopian girls are among the loveliest on the planet, and easily seduced judging by the Africa board - does anyone know of a ferry service from Saudi to Eritrea? Would it be possible to take a few days off, drive to the West coast of Saudi and take a boat over? What would be the timescale and cost of doing this? Are there drive-on ferries, or is it too Third World for that?
Could be quite a fun road trip - inexpensive, as no plane flights involved, just driving (very cheap in Arabia) and the ferry, followed by a trip to a very poor African country; and also the charms of those lissom, dark beauties, combining the most desirable aspects of negro and caucasian women, would be a great antidote to the veils and mullahs of Saudi. If anyone fancies joining me, it could be a good week!
Also, I'm a British citizen - what's the deal with coming and going from Saudi, both to Eritrea and more generally? I know that all non-Muslim foreigners have to get some special ID card, and have to leave Saudi at least once a year, right? Is it possible to simply up and leave for a few days and then return to Saudi, or do you have to pre-arrange all trips out of the country?
Cheers for any and all responses guys,
Chris
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Chris P,
As a long time Middle East resident, never actually living in Saudi, but visiting on business countless times, I'd say you may be in for a disappointment about trips to Eritrea.
As a Saudi resident, you have to obtain an “exit / re-entry visa” from your sponsor just to be able to leave the country. That depends how friendly / helpful / influential your sponsor is. This may mot be your immediate boss, but the Saudi national sponsoring the company. These rules apply whether you’re looking at a longer break, or even a 1-day / weekend hop across the causeway to Bahrain, where there is plenty of action – (read the report section). You’re lucky, as a Brit, you tend to be treated a bit better than the “other” nationalities / colours etc - seems wrong, but in Saudi, that’s the unwritten rules of the situation.
Where will you be stationed in Saudi? It’s a f***ing long drive / 1.5 hour flight from Riyadh to the Red Sea coast (Jeddah / Yanbu etc). If you happen to be stationed in Jeddah, well you could enquire about a ferry service to Eritrea, but I’d put money on there not being anything. There’s no way you’d be allowed to simply take your car across anyway. From Jeddah to East coast (Al Khobar / Jubail / Dammam) it’s a 2.5 hr flight – this is a BIG country man!
If you want my personal opinion for what it’s worth, get in with the local expat scene as quickly as possible. Saudi being the hell-hole that it is, the Brits stick together and network well. There can be at times a riotous “underground” social scene, all inside private compounds. The country is loaded with single foreign nurses and airhostesses from UK, Ireland, Far East, all closely guarded in their living quarters, but (so I’m reliably told) they manage to “escape” regularly to attend parties etc. However, don’t forget that single guys heavily outnumber single girls, so availability isn’t always easy.
At first glance, Saudi is pretty dead. No (legal) bars, clubs, cinemas, nothing! Male / female segregation in public, It's like going back in time a few hundred years! But illegal "sid" and home brew is abundant - just don't get caught.
Best to keep your head down, hope some radical crack-pot doesn’t take you for an American, as things are pretty dire for them at the moment, work hard, earn shit loads of money (that’s why you’re there, not for the suntan!), and if you’re lucky you’ll get the occasional bit of pussy, or resort to making regular use of Mary Palm & her Five Lovely Daughters.
Try to escape to Dubai or Bahrain for a long weekend a few times a year. Hit Dubai in November for the Rugby Sevens – one of the wilder weekends in the Dubai calendar. Another thing, (nothing to do with the availability of pussy), but Jeddah / Red Sea has some of the best Scuba Diving in the world. If you’re that way inclined, do it. I’ve dived there a few times, and it is amazing! – Go for it!. There are several good dive clubs with good quality training and kit rentals.
If / when you get settled in Saudi, send me a PM, and maybe on one of my trips there, we’ll meet up for a glass of mango juice – keep your sense of humour, and you’ll survive, inshallah! Good Luck!
PS – I’d agree that Ethiopian / Eritrean girls can be beautiful, but a word of warning – most refuse to suck! – Against their culture or some bullshit like that.
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Hello Chris,
I assume from your message that you’ll be based in Riyadh, or in the Eastern Province.
I’m American, based in Dhahran, and have been here three years this time. I worked here two years back in the early nineties.
I can’t tell you much about a ferry service to Eritrea, but I’ll try to find out. My housekeeper is Eritrean.
All foreigners, regardless of religion, must have an iqama. This is a kind of combination ID card and work permit. It is issued in the Kingdom, and renewed in the Kingdom. One does not leave and return as they do in other countries.
As far as trips in and out of the Kingdom, everything has to be arranged in advance. In order to leave and come back, one must have an exit and re-entry visa. These can be obtained for single trips, or for six months, multiple use. The single use costs 200 Saudi riyals, and the multiple use costs 500 riyals. In most cases, this is handled by one’s employer.
I assume also that you will be provided with a company vehicle. To take the vehicle out of Saudi, one must have written permission (in Arabic & attested by the Chamber of Commerce) from the vehicles owner. When traveling to other GCC countries, insurance can be purchased at the border. I purchase Bahraini insurance annually; it costs 500 riyals per year.
If you have any other questions, send me a private message, so as not to clutter up the forum. I’ll be glad to help if I can.
Swamp Rat
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Chris P,
You can forget it uless you have a real flexible sponsor. Depending on your contract as well, most places don't allow you to leave except for the couple holidays Ramadhan etc. and the summer break. In the Eastern Province some people have jobs alowing them to travel to Bahrain on weekends but most people I know including myself don't have that privlege. After the latest killing of some westerners you should think twice. I know many who are leaving and this is no place for hobbying. Africa on the other hand well the reports speak for themselves.
Be safe!
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Something interested I just cvam e for a short term tripo to Jeddah. Although I didn't get any action and I am well aquainted with five finger sally I visited Herra'a Mall and was surprised at the potential got quite a few looks but I think it requires allot of patience and risks any way hope that helps.
TP
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I don't think the scene here has ever or will ever be much to brag about if you can ever find it. After the recent killings and kidnappings the past month including yesterdays massacre it was enough for me to decide my Western ass is outter here. No pussy is worth getting your throat cut.
TP
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T Poet,
I'm already gone! I lived close enough to hear the gunfire. I'm looking for a house in Bahrain right now. I'll live in Bahrain and commute to Al Khobar. If that proves to be too big a hassle, my employer can find somewhere else for me to go, or I can find another employer!
Swamp Rat
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Dear Rat & Poet,
What exactly is your problem? Don't get me wrong, I'm asking this question squarely because I want to know. I'm an ageing man now, but I used to live in Beirut in the days of the civil war, and back then we would joke about the intermittent clutter of machine gun fire and the occasional mortar while we were splashing in our pool (by which I mean, the swimming pool provided by the compound in which we lived). It never occurred to me that Libanon was not worth living in just because there was fighting going on a few blocks away.
It got a bit "funnier", I admit, when the Hizbollah started targeting foreign nationals for abduction and murder on account of their being... well, foreign. But then again, I consoled myself thinking that most of the victims were CIA and SIS operatives (we all knew about that...) and not valuable human beings.
And yet, I dunno... are the militants in Saudi Arabia are now specifically targeting foreign unarmed civilians? That does sound a bit crass. I could live with the risk of becoming "collateral" damage in a red-hot conflict, but being stalked in my home because of my Danish passport would probably make me feel I'd overstayed my welcome.
Cheers
Priamos
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Hi Priamos,
In answer to your question, yes they are specifically hunting westerners and Christians. They also targeted Indians, because of the conflict in Kashmir.
My family and I huddled in an interior room away from the windows and listened to the gunfire. We were close enough to hear the ejected shell casings hitting the ground. In cases like this, it's the utter helplessness that gets to you, you can't run, hide, or defend your family.
I'm a veteran of conflicts in Angola, the Ivory Coast, Venezuela, and Sotheast Asia. I've been shot at before, but this situation is totally different. People are being hunted down and slaughtered because of their skin color or religious beliefs.
I'll take a lot of risks to make a living, but I'll never subject my family to this again!
Swamp Rat
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For those considering comming here I say don't. The people in general are friendly and unlike the media says the wahabis are not extremists but you have some people with their twisted understanding practicing evil.
Although I am not a Muslim I have many Mutawa freinds (they are faily strict but good people)
As for mongering this is the last place on earth next to Iraq or Afgahanastan maybe. Hope this helps and is not to political.
TP
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Swamp Rat,
I quite sympathise with you guys, I thought that only Israel/Gaza/Westbank was getting hit on a regular basis.
It would seem that these militants are definitely going on search
and kill missions - in Israel they just bomb, buses, shopping malls
and the like.
I would assume that hobbying in those parts would be at
the best a very risky enterprise and no quick thrill is worth
dying for.
As for hobbying in Israel - the sport has taken a huge knock due to a massive crack down which started after some criminal types blew up 3 innocent bystanders. There are many MP's though
with tons of CIS girls, and you won't get your ass in a sling as you would in Saudi, even if you could find that.
If you ever get over to this crazy place and believe me its crazy
give me a shout and I can point you in the right direction. As I am in a hugely stressful job the MP's are a great place to let off steam.
Take care and be safe.
Buzz