2005 Thai Women - Opinions & Advice
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2005 Thai Women - Opinions & Advice
Hey folks,
I feel I am on treacherous ground here as I am posting emails on this board that I did not write. This is going to be a one time event and it should be enough to appease the "Private Dancer" fans out there. I read the book long before I ever came to Thailand. I made some comments about it that Mr. D didn't agree with, but after reading this post I hope he understands that I got what was needed by glossing through its pages.
This post is a warning to all newbies and it will most likely be boring to most of the seasoned veterans. As I mentioned I have a job translating emails for Bar Girls. Some of them actually trust me with their personal email accounts and allow me to manage it any way that I please.
I am about to cross over some major ethical boundaries with this post and I will deserve any criticism I might receive. But I am doing this for you guys because I don't want any of you to end up like the man in this BGs emails. It is quite horrific if you ask me.
On a side note. I have no anymousity towards the girls for what they do. They have a life just like we do and it's not always easy. They do what they think they have to do. This is no different than a Wall Street Analyst or a Home Builder or a posterlion breaking the boundaries of ethical behaviour. They just happen to be prostitutes as we all have to be something.
I've thought long and hard about what I am about to do. Part of me says that I should not do what I am doing because it is the breaking of a trust. The other part of me feels obligated to try and prevent anyone else from this mans fate. The latter won in the end. It does make me a little nervous that this guy might one day read his emails on this board. That is a risk I will have to take, because if he had been reading this board in the first place he'd likely not be having his current troubles.
I emphasize this point because the TG in question is sleeping right next to me as I type this to you. She's a good girl and I of course love her in many ways, but they are ways that will not ruin my life like the ruined life of this other man. May he find some peace.
Hopefully you guys won't ostricize me for what I have done by pressing the submit button. Maybe I should delete this post and go back to sleep. It is possible that I may put the girl in harms way by sending this but the thought of one of you entering the reality of those emails is not a nice thought.
The girl is really pretty cool. Fuck yeah, she has her problems, but she does have a good, (yet mis-placed) heart. She actually does give away a lot of the monet this guy sends her to her friends and she enjoys being adored by them for it. It's just another case of a woman with a confidence problem, just as the guy that is giving her all his money suffers from the same thing.
I don't know what else to say except that the whole fucking world suffers from the same addiction, sex. Until we can get the 6.6 billion people on this planet from fucking each other silly, we are going to be reading a lot more stories like this one.
poster out
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Out of respect for SA and his fading glory, I have removed the emails I previously posted. His time is coming to a close and I feel the need to help him save face. Therefore, I respectfully ask you to steer your browser to the Samus Aran section for all "Thai Women - Opinions and Advice."
He deserves it. After all, he is such an OLD timer. But please don't hold your breath for his advice. He spends most of his time (and rightfully so) on the driving range.
poster...
PosterLion,
Great post and thanks for sharing. I've read "Private Dancer" a few years ago, great book, I think all newbies should read it on the plane over.
I go to LOS twice a year for about 2 weeks at a time, I've heard al the BS, BG stories. The TG's are alot of fun and treat us well but they are still working girls and are no to be trusted.
My advice for a newbie is to have a ball in LOS but leave your heart at home.
good luck.
KJ
"I emphasize this point because the TG in question is sleeping right next to me as I type this to you. She's a good girl ..."
Ummmm...NO! She is not a good girl. She will never be a good girl. Not even close. She is a con artist. She is receiving money from a man (actually pestering him for it) who thinks that he is helping her to buy a legit business. In reality, it is all pure B.S. on her part with you assiting in the process.
I have no problem with P4P girls any day. You pay the money and get your sex. However, it is funny that noone has put a hit out on these types of ripoff artists. It is much cheaper than supporting her sorry ass. Actually, very cheap in the LOS.
I had a bar girl try that crap with me once. She asked for 100,000 baht.."because mother sick." She went flying out the door with a shoe print on her butt. One year later she was still dancing at Kings Castle bar in Patpong. Her breasts were not so perky by then. I bar fined a hot new girl from the same bar that night. There is always a younger (not less than 18) and prettier bar girl out there. Never give them money unless you are living with them. Even then you have to keep them on a real short leash. There are thousands of love gone bad stories with these girls. Doesn't anyone RTFF? Remember the 4 Fs? Find them, feel them, fuck them and forget them. Nothing in there about paying thousands of dollars (or Euros) to support them while they waste it daily.
I know that if you did not screw the bar girl, or help her with the letters, some other expat would do it. But never justify a theif and act like you are providing some wonderful service by going along with the scam. There are a lot of pros in Bangkok who sell sex for money...so what? Many of them lie...so what? But don't think that the ones who extort money under false claims are good girls. They are real scum. No question about it.
BTW, not all of the guys who send money to bargirls are married and cheating. A lot of them are single and truly in love with the bargirl. Don't believe that psycho analysis B.S. about self esteem issues. Please! It happens in Bangkok...something about the GFE that sometimes makes guys fall in love with bar girls. That and thinking with their little head.
Maybe you should receive a piece of the money action. I suppose, in your mind, you might as well go along with the bar girls as you can't seem to resist being drawn in to their evil plots.
Well, I can understand the desire to post it. Actually it sounds like it would make the nice heart of a book about Thailand.
LOL, poor misguided fools. Can't believe there are still men falling for these chick's bullshit. Funny though- som nam na!
I also translate e-mails for bar-girls (I don't charge them for it though), and see loads of the same thing.
Probably a good idea to post as a warning, although I normally side with the girls and help them to get as much money as possible when their guy sound like an asshole.
JC and SM,
You've got a good point but this kind of book has been done oh so many times. Just look at how many quotes on this board come from "Private Dancer". Tina Turner had it right, "What's Love Got to do with It?"
Don't get me wrong, there is a huge place in my soul for Love, even if I am not entirely sure what it is myself. It seems it is many things and men that go through the experience of my last post are just a few of the souls that try to define it. I am still trying to figure it out myself.
I have been formulating the contents of the book that I WILL write in 2005 for the past few months. Sir Domino, thank you for reminding me that I need to have a plan, point well taken!
This book will at its core be influenced by the first (and maybe the last) Thai girlfriend I will ever have. My story with this girl is well documented in the anals of the 2004 WSG pages. It is not the fact that she is my first Thai girlfriend that I want no more girlfreinds.
It is the fact that I have had too many girlfriends in this life. I have had only one Thai girlfriend and as for my experience, Thai girls are not much unlike any other girl, just as we men are mostly the same the world over.
Anyway... When I decided to embark on this relationship with this particular girl, a Thai girl, I told her that she would be my last girlfriend. Maybe that sounds overly romantic, but I think it pertinent as most loves are for one reason or another, overly romantic.
As most of you know, I have called off or postponed my relationship with this well documented girl. It may come as a surprise to you that I did so because I thought it might be in her best interest and not mine. We still see each other because of our mutual need for companionship (we are both intellectuals, or stupid enough to think we are, basically, our form of companionship is framed by intense discussions of just about every topic known to man), but she is most likely going to marry with Mr. Japan. I congratulate them both if this happens.
One of the most poingant conversation I had with her was during a discussion of Siddthartha. She must have been surprised that I knew anything of the myth of Siddthartha. "Siddthartha is actually the name of Buddha," she said. "You must have been a good Catholic to know something like this. Siddthartha was to be reborn 108 times before he could reach the Nirvana and become the Buddha."
"His 107th life, the life before he became Siddthartha, is the most interesting myth next to the myth of Buddha himself. He was born a king with the name of Vessandorn. Vessandorn was a king of mercy. People could come to him and ask for anything and he gave them all, even his throne and his wife and kids. Can you believe that?
"Buddha is not a God, he is just a human being, but for me he is the smartest man on earth.
Somehow, this conversation with her became the defining moment in the saga of our relationship. And it seems to me that I must be a very arrogant individual, because I am sitting here laughing at myself, believing that I can give up everything. I guess I wanted to show her that there are still smart men on this planet (sic huh).
There is one thing that is certain. There is one thing that I can give up to any girl with a smile and that is my cock. It is a crazy cock but it is not a God, it is just a cock.
A good case in point is the girl that I was with last night. She is the source of the fantastic emails that I probably should not have posted. I am thinking of deleting them out of a bad feeling in my conscious for posting them in the first place.
On the other hand, maybe I can be overly optimistic about humanity and believe that the man that fell for this girl might develop a charitable and forgiving heart (although I recommend he stop sending her money).
Maybe my arrogant need to communicate to this world might somehow be salvaged and everyone will see that I did no wrong. I'll try to be optimistic, but I somehow think it will be in vain.
I can not think of anything that so metaphorically portrays the miracle of life than vanity. Vanity is the middle finger that says fuck you I am here and I am not going away. Vanity is the middle finger that has figured out it will soon perish and yet, it is so absorbed with itself that it has the absurdity to believe that it will return. Vanity is life and to be alive is to love. What can be more aburdly vain than that? My conclusion is that Nirvana must be nothing more than the lack of vanity. Nirvana is the death of life itself. Now you might ponder this so as to understand my undying faith in my optimism. :)
Last night I sent emails to four men from my new employer, the girl I most charitably donate my cock to. I was lying on the bed on my stomach typing on my laptop, while the girl was lying on my back, humping my ass with her pussy. She was very exctied and proud and beautiful, telling me what to say to these men. She bit my ear and said not to worry, I have only five customer, the four men that you sent the emails to and you. I am with you now and I will take care.
She smiles very well and she takes care very well. Hence the raptorous nature of my crazy cock. She is not a bad girl. She is just a girl, just as we are men. In the meantime, everyone in this world is trying to fuck or love someone. Someday we might know the difference.
I am still here on this planet, crazy cock and all, and I can only say that this issue might never be resolved, but I am sincerely trying to be... optimistic.
poster
Absolutely great "field" reporting... Keep the emails in here (have not read them all yet) as it a great way to educate especially for the new cummers to the game.
It is a game, it is a game of survival. Not a cynical game because the more you understand the Asian "way" of living for women the more you will understand why this is a game. But, as in any game there are losers and winners.
juice
Poster, whether you help this girl with her emails or not will make utterly no difference to her or to her farangs. She's got her game going and will continue to do it until she is no longer able to or interested in doing so, and the guys who she's stringing would just be on someone else's string if not hers. Your posts of the emails here can have a positive effect by reminding guys that this stuff is real, and while their dicks may be their god, it does help to engage their brain once in a while as well.
It is, in fact, a blow [i]for[/i] love, the same way is your walking away from a relationship because you care for the other person and don't think you're going to be what they need. Understanding what the real thing is and isn't -- and clearly the relationships this TG is in fall into the "isn't" category -- can only be good for people who are seeking love.
And I'm with you: there's already a "Private Dancer" so no need to write another. You've got your own story to tell.
Out of respect for SA and his fading glory, I have removed the emails I previously posted. His time is coming to a close and I feel the need to help him save face. Therefore, I respectfully ask you to steer your browser to the Samus Aran section for all "Thai Women - Opinions and Advice."
He deserves it. After all, he is such an OLD timer. But please don't hold your breath for his advice. He spends most of his time (and rightfully so) on the driving range.
poster...
Dear John,
Hey man!
I said that merely as a flippantcy. Jesus H Christ! Of course she isn't a good girl. But on the other hand, I don't see much difference between her and the "Good Guy" that is cheating on his wife. Nor do I see much difference between her and "Us Good Men" that are fucking the likes of her for money.
I am always drawn to evil plots as I am also drawn to the good ones. After all, I am a man that converted Catholisim at the age of 32. No one else in my family is Catholic.
Now feel free to tell me the evils of Catholism and I will listen with baited breath and baited ears. If you can convince me that Catholism is part of the evil plot of this world then I will reaffirm to you my affinity for evil. But just for an exercise, I think you should seriously consider the ground you are standing on before you decide to post, because I have read what you have wriiten.
Here is a section of your last post to me:
"I had a bar girl try that crap with me once. She asked for 100,000 baht.."because mother sick." She went flying out the door with a shoe print on her butt. One year later she was still dancing at Kings Castle bar in Patpong. Her breasts were not so perky by then. I bar fined a hot new girl from the same bar that night. There is always a younger (not less than 18) and prettier bar girl out there."
Here is my reply:
One year later you were back at King's Castle and you went for an 18 year old that had slightly less sagging tits than your previous fuck. I apologize, but I fail to see the black from the white here. What is the defining thing that makes you different from the "now saggy breasted one." All I can see is that you should have beat her to the punch and asked her for 100,000 baht first. :)
I am not harping on you. It's just that my eyes are so grey it's hard to see what is good and what is bad. Do you think you can help me out here?
I'd like to hear your detailed thoughts on this. If you agree to that challenge I will commend you no matter how you come off. At least you won't be playing it safe. :)
poster
Posterlion my friend,
It is your right to do whatever you like.
I never defended cheating by any husband. Of course it is not right. That is why there are so many divorces. It is life my friend.
In several Asian countries hookers are accepted as are mistresses. I can't say that ALL of the hookers are good or bad because there are hundreds of thousands of them in Thailand alone and I do not know all of their personal histories.
Helping hookers to rip off guys for money. Hmmmmm....that is wrong too. It is wrong to help the bar girls in these scams. You should already know that.
I was merely trying to show you that helping a bar girl to rob a man (because the dude was an A**hole) may not be the way to go. However, your logic must state: if you can't stop scam artists you should become one yourself. Whatever.
Poster you missed the point of the Kings Castle story. Your response to this one example was not logical at all. Like many bar girl scamers, this girl was still in the game long after her looks held up.
Like I said before....never give a bar girl any money which is not related to the sex she recently gave you. There is simply no need for it. Yes, we all are aware that you do not agree with the FFFF philosophy of the P4P game. It is not a matter of robbing a bar girl before they rob you. BTW, that would prove to be a very risky proposition. No need to feel sorry for her or to join her in her money scams against various farungs.
In Bangkok it is P4P...nothing more...and nothing less. I now can only hope that you consult with the famous Master Monger for guidance (you may require an intervention). He might give you a few pointers on the dos and don'ts of the P4P game. Check out his posts in the Cali section. When he comes to Thailand, perhaps he may be willing to teach you many things which you still have not learned about hookers. Noone else seems to be getting through to you.
Best of luck my friend.