Hi all - will be back at North Coast for two weeks, starting from next Monday.
Don't hesistate to send PM's for arranging collective huntings there.
Probably will also visit Nairobi during Christmas time.
Regards
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Hi all - will be back at North Coast for two weeks, starting from next Monday.
Don't hesistate to send PM's for arranging collective huntings there.
Probably will also visit Nairobi during Christmas time.
Regards
[QUOTE=Kc Me]Hi
First post, hope I am doing this right!
I am a regular visitor to Nairobi but *completely* new to this game.
Last night I met a girl in a bar in Westlands (don't know its name - opposite Barclays Bank).
She offered me a 'massage', I asked here where we could go. She said 'there are so many places around here'. In the end I did not go with her as I had to be somewhere. My question is where would she have taken me? Would I have been safe to go ? The obvious concern is that she would have walked me round the corner to a friend who would (at least) relieve me of my valuables!
Which brings me to question 2. The Jacaranda hotel is right there. How tolerant of visitors are they ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]I know the bar you mentioned here, and Nairobi experts will tell you its a haven for TVs, drag-girls etc. In most of Africa including Kenya, people pursuing alternative lifestyles tend to hang out at specific clubs and bars. The one you mentionede is popular for that.
My advice is, always have a location picked out by yourself, and just take a cab with the girl, and head to your room. Westlands is typically up-scale, filled with wealthier Kenyans, and international community. Therefore the costs for various services will likely cost more than in downtown Nairobi.
I hope this was of help to you, and happy mongering.
LynnMan
[QUOTE=LynnMan]I know the bar you mentioned here, and Nairobi experts will tell you its a haven for TVs, drag-girls etc.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the heads-up That had not occurred to me.
[QUOTE=LynnMan]My advice is, always have a location picked out by yourself, and just take a cab with the girl, and head to your room. [/QUOTE]Sounds like good advice.
I have to say, I have known Nairobi for for many years; but always with a partner. That was my first look around alone, and after another 48 hours of testing the water, I just can not believe how much beautiful pussy is readily available even to a middle-aged muzungu. I realise I can raise my sights way above a dubious hooker in a bar.
This is going to be fun!
Efremof,
I would just like to tell you that your posts are great. Please don't mind those people who are not happy with your pictures and comments. I think I speak for most people on ISG when I say that we JUST LOVE your pics and travel reports. Truth is, I wish I was more like you , daring to post these kinds of pictures.
Good work buddy!
Just another one...
You punters might all want to read this article from BBC News/Africa dateline Tuesday, 19 December 2006, 14:08 GMT
Tourists 'fuel Kenya's sex boom'
In some resorts, up to 30% of girls are engaged in the sex trade.
Up to 30% of girls in some Kenyan resorts are involved in the sex industry, according to a UN report. The UN children's fund Unicef, which looked at resorts along Kenya's coast, found that 15,000 girls aged 12 to 18 were engaged in casual sex for money.
Another 2,000-3,000 girls and boys were involved in full-time prostitution, said the study - carried out jointly with the Kenyan government.
European men represented half of all their clients, the report said.
The 15,000 girls are said to live in the resort areas districts of Mombasa, Kilifi, Malindi and Kwale.
Poverty is the reason, Unicef says: many families see the sex industry as the only way of putting food on the table.
Local clients
"Clearly, what is going on here is unacceptable. Unicef feels that it's time for zero tolerance... especially of sexual violence against children," a spokesman said.
"Kenya should be seen as a no-go zone for sexual exploitation of children," he added.
Italian, German and Swiss nationals are the most common clients of child sex workers among tourists - at 18%, 14% and 12% respectively.
Kenyan men are the largest single group of clients, comprising 38% of the total.
A "staggering" 75% of people involved in tourism thought it was acceptable for girls to exchange sex for cash, and 60% said the same for boys, the study showed.
Many were also implicated directly in the exploitation of children, it added.
"Child sex workers are often compelled to deliver sexual services to Kenyans - beach boys, bar staff, waiters, and others - in order to access tourists. During the low tourist season, the local market for child sex workers keeps the system going," the report said.
[QUOTE=Kc Me]Hi
First post, hope I am doing this right!
I am a regular visitor to Nairobi but *completely* new to this game.
Last night I met a girl in a bar in Westlands (don't know its name - opposite Barclays Bank).
She offered me a 'massage', I asked here where we could go. She said 'there are so many places around here'. In the end I did not go with her as I had to be somewhere. My question is where would she have taken me? Would I have been safe to go ? The obvious concern is that she would have walked me round the corner to a friend who would (at least) relieve me of my valuables!
Which brings me to question 2. The Jacaranda hotel is right there. How tolerant of visitors are they ?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Hi,
I don't know much about this hotel, but with a tip in any hotel here in Nairobi, or rather Kenya, you can do away with it.
I can offer to meet you any day before Saturday, as I will be travelling on that day to meet my family up country.
Talk later
xoxo
Hi,
Am new here. Will be in Mombasa - North-Coast from 1/1/07 on.
I'm booked in the Giriama Beach Hotel. Do you know if it's girl friendly?
Perhaps I will change hotel. Where should I go to?
Heard that Bamburi Beach Resort is girl friendly. Does that mean, that you can walk with any girl anytime or how does it work?
Heard too, that Indiana Beach is girl friendly. Tried to book but be sure, that they accept girls from outside. Sent an email with a clear NOGO. What does that mean?
A last question if you don't mind: Do you know where to find nubian girls like Ehtiopeans or Somalies?
Thanks a lot for your kind help.
Tkenia
Hi,
I will be in Mombasa north coast after 1/1/07.
I am booked in the Giriama Beach Hotel. Do you know if its girl friendly?
Perhaps I have to change hotel. Heard that Bamburi Beach Resort would be fine. Does that mean that you can walk in with just any girl at any time?
Heard once that Indiana would be fine too. Tried to check it by mail. The answer was a clear NOGO?
Do you know where to have best chance to find girls from ethiopia or somalia around Mombasa? Are there many of them?
Thanks for your kind answers.
Tkenia
[QUOTE=Tkenia]Hi,
I will be in Mombasa north coast after 1/1/07.
I am booked in the Giriama Beach Hotel. Do you know if its girl friendly?
Perhaps I have to change hotel. Heard that Bamburi Beach Resort would be fine. Does that mean that you can walk in with just any girl at any time?
Heard once that Indiana would be fine too. Tried to check it by mail. The answer was a clear NOGO?
Do you know where to have best chance to find girls from ethiopia or somalia around Mombasa? Are there many of them?
Thanks for your kind answers.
Tkenia[/QUOTE]Bamburi Resort is no problem and no ID. The price should be 3000 w/o breakfast. If you contact them on the internet they will quote a higher price.
Indiana has two buildings, the hotel is a nogo but the apartments are fine if the girl has ID. I don't know the price.
Another option is the New Big Tree. This is the closest to a "monger" hotel that I found, but you have to lock up everything in your bag when you leave the room and keep any documents and excess money in the hotel safe. The price is 2500 w/ kitchen, 2000 w/o. From a pure value and location point of view, this is the best for a monger, but watch your stuff.
I know that this does not apply to any of us but interesting none-the-less. I wonder what the so called Tourism Police actually does.
NEWS
Combat child prostitution, clerics urge tourism firms
Story by NATION Team
Publication Date: 12/21/2006
Tourism industry players have been told to urgently implement a strict code of conduct to reduce cases of child sexual exploitation.
But Kenya Tourism Federation chairman William Kamunge yesterday said players in the sector were already implementing a code of ethics and a protocol that protects children against sexual exploitation.
Speaking to the Nation on telephone, Major Kamunge said the industry had adopted measures to ensure that such crimes do not take place.
"Industry players have come together to fight the vice. They include Kenya Tourism Board, the tourism federation, Kenya Association of Hotel Keepers and the Tourist Police Unit," he said.
De-registered immediately
And Mr Duncan Muriuki, the Kenya Association of Tour Operators chairman, said all the association's members are bound by a protocol that ensures that none engages in such practises. Those caught are de-registered immediately.
"We have a strict Code of Conduct which binds our members and even when we are booking guests on excursions and safaris, we inform them of the consequences of engaging in such vices. We ensure that they remain in groups with their tour guides making it difficult to engage in such activities," he said.
According to him, lone tourists are largely to blame for sex crimes but the law should reign them in as they are easy to identify.
Kenya Association of Hotel Keepers chairman Mohammed Hersi said the sexual exploitation of children thrives in lodges and boarding places that are not affiliated to the association.
"We were informed about the report before it was presented to the Vice-President and since then we have been working together under the "end trafficking and child prostitution programme" since June," he said.
According to him, the association has gone a step forward to work with taxi drivers, beach boys and the Tourist Police Unit, whom they adopted the association's programmes to end the crimes.
At the Coast, both Islamic and Christian leaders reacted with anger to revelations that prostitution among children in the province had reached alarming levels.
Mombasa Catholic Archbishop Boniface Lele said it was sad that the existing laws were either silent or lenient on paedophiles and other people luring young boys and girls into prostitution.
Teach morality
"The government has not strengthened the existing laws. A subject like Social Study which used to teach more on morality was also removed from the country’s education syllabus," he said.
Anglican Bishop Julius Kalu blamed the provincial administration and the Tourist Police for failing to deal with tourists involved in child prostitution.
"There is laxity by the provincial administrations, which has all along known that such practices existed in our towns but has done nothing. Except for a few occasional swoops, young men and women have been given all the freedom to roam from one night club to another," he said.
Council of Imams and preachers of Kenya secretary-general Sheikh Mohamed Dor said there was need for proper laws to bar students from entering bars, nightclubs, discos, major hotels and beaches.
An MP also asked the Government to strictly enforce laws already in place to save young girls from sex exploitation.
Protect children
Speaking for the Kenya Women Parliamentary Association at Parliament Buildings yesterday, Butula MP Christine Mango said the Ministry of Tourism and Wildlife must put its act together and protect Kenyan children from sex crimes. She was accompanied by Transport assistant minister Cecily Mbarire.
might have to look hard at the id's before taking them in for the night. living in kenya for as long as i have i know it is best not to get caught up with the police. they could make life miserable.
news
shocking figures on child sex trade
story by mugumo munene and jeff otieno
publication date: 12/20/2006
child prostitution at the coast has hit alarming levels, a new un report reveals.
the shocking study says 15,000 girls under 18 are being sexually exploited for cash. and more than 5,000 of the child prostitutes do not protect themselves against killer diseases such as aids.
about 3,000 of them are engaged full-time in prostitution, having dropped out of school and given up on any other means of earning a living.
the study was carried out along the coastline that stretches from malindi in the north to ukunda in the south. it targeted beaches and holiday resorts.
it was carried out at malindi, watamu, mtwapa, bombolulu, mombasa, diani, ukunda and shanzu beaches.
vice president moody awori, who launched the report jointly with unicef kenya representative heimo laakkonen in nairobi, described the revelations as "terrifying" and ‘‘hard to believe."
mr awori said: "it is a shocking reality to talk about sexual exploitation of children in our country, a vice that continues to grow to horrific magnitude particularly around the coastal region."
he appealed to the society to join the war against sexual exploitation of children by condemning and discouraging the practice.
worst perpetrators
kenyans, italians, germans and swiss nationals are among the worst perpetrators of sexual exploitation of children in the region, says the report by unicef which also reveals that at least 2,400 girls out of this number are subjected to anal sex.
the survey was a joint effort between unicef and the government and highlights sexual exploitation children in the coastal districts of malindi, mombasa, kilifi and kwale by both tourists and local residents.
of the men who engage in sex-for-cash with children, 38 per cent are kenyans while italians comprise 18 per cent, germans 14 per cent, swiss 12 per cent while the rest is shared out between tourists from other parts of the world.
the police and representatives of the tourism sector immediately pledged to fight the practice through education campaigns, arrests and prosecutions.
hotels will be required to adhere to tough new rules to guard against child sex, including prohibiting **** girls into their premises.
the sexual offences act will be enforced more strictly to boost police operations in curbing the vice, police spokesman gideon kibunjah said, adding that the tourist police unit would help in the fight.
code of conduct
the mombasa and coast tourist association and kenya association of hotelkeepers and caterers said the code of conduct for the industry would be enforced more strictly and more operators made to commit themselves to adhere to the rules.
association of hotelkeepers and caterers coast branch chairman mohammed hersi said boarding and lodging and guest houses should be made to sign the code before being licensed.
driven by poverty and pushed by the easy cash offered to primary school age children by pleasure seekers, the vice is on the increase, attracting girls from as far as western kenya.
"child sex tourism is highly lucrative and drives the informal and the commercial sex trade. the disparity between a family's capacity to make money compared to what can be earned from sex work, feeds the domestic culture which encourages children to seek out tourists," the new report says.
the researchers found out that children who are 16 years and below earn up to sh2,000 a session, while those who are between 16 and 18 years earn between sh2,000 and sh5,000.
casual labour
this compares poorly to the daily rate for casual labour which is between sh80 and sh120 for a child and about sh400 for an adult.
according to the report, which was carried out between october and november last year, the beneficiaries of the trade range from fortune tellers, taxi drivers, villa owners, hoteliers and restaurant owners, business people and beach operators.
also listed as beneficiaries are the police, who are accused of collecting bribes from the prostitutes in order to "look the other way."
the end of the year is the high season for the trade given the high number of local and foreign tourists who flock coastal resorts for christmas and new year festivities.
the report says: "boys and girls from poor families around the tourist areas are sent out to find much-needed food and cash. they bring it and parents do not ask where it came from or how it was obtained. children whose families live upcountry send an average of sh2,000 a month to their families.
the government is accused of ignoring child prostitution since pursuing suspects would make the coastal resorts unattractive for tourism.
the study shows that about 75 per cent of people in the affected areas approve or tolerate prostitution, because they believe that sex tourism brings in money and wealth.
"it reflects a fundamental breakdown and corruption of families and communities, and a failure of the authorities to provide protection to children and to prosecute those responsible for promoting and profiting from child sex work".
tourists that exploit children are at the centre of a ring of corruption that involves many from the local community. child sex workers are often compelled to deliver sexual services to kenyans – beach boys, bar staff, waiters, and others – in order to access tourists," says the report.
"during the low tourist season, it is the local tourists who keep the child prostitution market going," the report adds.
mr awori urged the police, hotel owners and the tourism industry players to expose those perpetrating the vice.
he blamed societal immorality and a degeneration of the social fabric together with factors such as unemployment, poverty and aids pandemic for the rise of the vice.
he castigated adults who took advantage of children particularly those in vulnerable circumstances to sexually exploit them, and reminded them that it was a criminal offence under the country’s law.
"we are reminding everyone that children have a need and a right to be children: even if a girl has matured physically by age 13, she is still immature intellectually and emotionally, until she is 18 years old," mr awori said.
the vp called on hotels, lodgings and bars to sign and implement the tourism industry code of conduct, which binds them to the protection of children from sexual exploitation.
mr awori noted that though tourism plays an important economic role in the country, there was need for it to be operated responsibly.
he added that most of the children were forced into prostitution due to lack of support and protection in their homes.
the vp said the government was working with unicef to come up with effective communication strategies to sensitise the communities against the dangers of child prostitution.
mr laakkonen said that all stakeholders should be educated on the dangers, risks, and penalties of sexually abusing children.
legal action
he called for legal action to be taken against anyone exploiting children, but warned against the danger of criminalising the child victims who he observed are victims of circumstances.
tourists and kenyans who abuse children must be arrested, brought to trial and punished, mr laakkonen said.
child prostitution, the study said, had affected enrolment in schools as the youngsters found any easy means of earning income without rigours of education.