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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2449180]Do most of you guys lie about your income and what happens when the girls go over to your house and see your Toyota in the driveway? How do you keep with appearances if you don't have them? It seems to me like both of you are trying to con each other KNOWING exactly what you are doing.
Has Covid affected SA in a positive or negative way?[/QUOTE]A few things:
A. Girl seeing my house will be a disaster beyond repair. Will never happen to me. I am fiercely protective of my identity and if a girl will somehow figure me out and knocks on my door I will refuse to talk and call police or take my gun out and tell her to get the fuck out of my property as she is trespassing.
B. There is very little correlation between net worth and the car one drives. The senior partners in my small firm all are worth more than $10 M and two are above $25 M and none drive anything fancy. One recently bought a lower end Tesla and he was sheepish about it.
I personally drive a $20 grand car but I said this before, it costs me $60 grand a year for my kids' private school. We spend our money how we choose to. I could not give a flying fuck what people think of me most of the time because I already have a lot of financial security and very comfortable in my own skin and don't need to impress a girl that I am paying to fuck.
I cut my stated net worth on the site to less than half, although to be honest if my wife finds this and drags me to court it will indeed be cut more than half. In fact I falsified pretty much every piece of info I listed on the site.
I never had a sugar babe who cared about net worth anyway. They are getting ppm or sometimes a weekly allowance. They know we are not getting married. I make it very clear upfront that a relationship is out of question.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2449243]A few things:
A. Girl seeing my house will be a disaster beyond repair. Will never happen to me. I am fiercely protective of my identity and if a girl will somehow figure me out and knocks on my door I will refuse to talk and call police or take my gun out and tell her to get the fuck out of my property as she is trespassing.
B. There is very little correlation between net worth and the car one drives. The senior partners in my small firm all are worth more than $10 M and two are above $25 M and none drive anything fancy. One recently bought a lower end Tesla and he was sheepish about it.
I personally drive a $20 grand car but I said this before, it costs me $60 grand a year for my kids' private school. We spend our money how we choose to. I could not give a flying fuck what people think of me most of the time because I already have a lot of financial security and very comfortable in my own skin and don't need to impress a girl that I am paying to fuck.
I cut my stated net worth on the site to less than half, although to be honest if my wife finds this and drags me to court it will indeed be cut more than half. In fact I falsified pretty much every piece of info I listed on the site.
I never had a sugar babe who cared about net worth anyway. They are getting ppm or sometimes a weekly allowance. They know we are not getting married. I make it very clear upfront that a relationship is out of question.[/QUOTE]I have a net worth over a million & I had a 2001 Volkswagen Passat as a daily driver till the AC died in Savannah in 2018. I still miss that car as it was a blast to drive, I had a the 5 speed manual model with leather, bought it brand new in 2001.
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[QUOTE=Pessimist;2449243]
A. Girl seeing my house will be a disaster beyond repair. Will never happen to me. I am fiercely protective of my identity and if a girl will somehow figure me out and knocks on my door I will refuse to talk and call police or take my gun out and tell her to get the fuck out of my property as she is trespassing.
I never had a sugar babe who cared about net worth anyway. They are getting ppm or sometimes a weekly allowance. They know we are not getting married. I make it very clear upfront that a relationship is out of question.[/QUOTE]Sigh. Pessimist, you are living in a dream world. You get a phone number, license plate, and you can check out anyone on line. I bet just from your license plate that I could find out how much you paid for your car, where you live, and how much you paid for your house in a matter of minutes. Your privacy is an illusion these days.
I never had a problem with a SB and my home life ever. The main thing is that you find women who are trustworthy and believe it or not, most are. The last thing most women want to do is fuck up a relationship. To be honest, the women I was after were so hot getting a rich, successful guy was not a problem for any of them. That is what you should be after, the most selective women there are. They have so many options it is ridiculous.
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But the gals really do NOT care what you drive, how you dress, what your home looks like, etc. All they care about is what you will pay them and what kind of time you can show them (if you can take them out to nice restaurants, hotels, outings).[/QUOTE]Yes, MW, I agree. The only ones who are not like that are the ones who are naive.
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So do most encounters happen in hotels?
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2449298]So do most encounters happen in hotels?[/QUOTE]Are you talking about the first encounter? If so, then how would that work? You book the hotel before you meet? This would be ideal, so that you guys can just waltz into the room after a few drinks. BUT, what if there's no chemistry when you meet, or what if she does not even show up? This happens often for first meetings, and then it means you booked the room for nothing. Or, you could book the hotel after chemistry is established. If so, then you will have to book the hotel on an app (or at the front desk) and then pick up the keys at the front desk. But then the gal will instantly know your real identity when you guys are checking in to get the keys. And besides, the whole process of checking into a hotel takes a while, so it is kind of a buzz kill. So this is why I just do a meet and greet for the first meeting. To establish chemistry. I will boink them later. There have been numerous occasions where I got lucky on the first encounter and we just went back to her place. BTW, if I were traveling, then yeah, make the encounter at the hotel. You are staying there anyway. So, there is no waste if she does not show or you don't like each other.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2449291]Sigh. Pessimist, you are living in a dream world. You get a phone number, license plate, and you can check out anyone on line. I bet just from your license plate that I could find out how much you paid for your car, where you live, and how much you paid for your house in a matter of minutes. Your privacy is an illusion these days.
I never had a problem with a SB and my home life ever. The main thing is that you find women who are trustworthy and believe it or not, most are. The last thing most women want to do is fuck up a relationship. To be honest, the women I was after were so hot getting a rich, successful guy was not a problem for any of them. That is what you should be after, the most selective women there are. They have so many options it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I agree, it is impossible to hide your identity. I have said this before. I have been super careful, like using taxis, paying with cash, using a app with for calling and texting, etc. , but gals can still find my identity. I know this to be a fact because some viewed me on LinkedIn. I even asked a few of them how they found my true identity, and they usually replied that it wasn't difficult. But most gals never found my true identity. It's not that they are trustworthy. Instead, it's that most of them don't give a shit who I really am.
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2449291]I never had a problem with a SB and my home life ever.[/QUOTE]Let me guess, you are not married.
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Good point. It's tricky, yes. We need to negotiate clearly and if we see any sign of drop outs in the last minute we know that the time is up. It's better we cut our losses and exit. This is where our judgement comes in.
Once I finalise an arrangement I block the girl on sa. I have a different ID with a different city to check if the girl is still active on the site. If she is still active that means she is still wanting a better deal. We need to take an appropriate decision accordingly. I cut one girl in 2 months as I knew she was hunting for a better deal. I got out of it. We need to handle it appropriately.
Personally, I prefer a young exclusive students. They take time to finalise but once done they have little time to hunt for a better deal. Nerdy girls like to keep their grades up. The girl I had in California used to bring her books and laptop and study at my place over the weekends. I'm single and she used to have a spare key of my home. I knew her full identity and her character before I did this. This was after 6 months or so into the arrangement. She was a gem. Complete girl friend material.
Also, California is expensive for this. I felt that Latina students in Barcelona were economical.
[QUOTE=Midwestern;2449235]All good points, but point (4) is tricky. If you are paying 500 PPM, and then later convert to LT arrangement, both of you will be doing the mental accounting all the time. She will try to achieve an average of at least 500 per date, while you are trying to get the average below 500 per date. Also, she will be more prone to canceling dates, usually at the last minute. Well, this is what happened to me, at least. The only times that LT arrangements worked out for me were when we had instant and genuine chemistry. When they like you so much that they want to see you all the time, and don't want you to leave. In other words, it felt like a real GFE from the start. And so they became LT from the start and financial arrangements were not never explicitly discussed (most of the time, but not always). One gal gave me a key to her place after I spent the night on our first date.[/QUOTE]
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A burner phone with no apps other than WhatsApp and Uber help. I try my best to hide true identity but as I'm single it's not going to make a difference to me if they know my identity. I still need my privacy. No one found my real identity as far as I know unless I voluntarily shared.
[QUOTE=Midwestern;2449308]Yeah, I agree, it is impossible to hide your identity. I have said this before. I have been super careful, like using taxis, paying with cash, using a app with for calling and texting, etc. , but gals can still find my identity. I know this to be a fact because some viewed me on LinkedIn. I even asked a few of them how they found my true identity, and they usually replied that it wasn't difficult. But most gals never found my true identity. It's not that they are trustworthy. Instead, it's that most of them don't give a shit who I really am.[/QUOTE]
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I rarely chased models / aspiring models for LTR. There was this amazing girl from Mumbai, a model I met and we hung out a few times for drinks. She agreed for 1500 $ a month LTR. 6-8 meets a month with each meeting lasting from evening till next morning or over a weekend. She agreed for 250 $ a night for the first 4 meets. Somehow she became greedy and told me that she needs money and wants a monthly allowance to be given in advance. I politely dropped off. Girls who cannot keep their commitment are a strict no go.
My personal choice is students. Not 9/10 but more like 7/8.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2449291]Sigh. Pessimist, you are living in a dream world. You get a phone number, license plate, and you can check out anyone on line. I bet just from your license plate that I could find out how much you paid for your car, where you live, and how much you paid for your house in a matter of minutes. Your privacy is an illusion these days.
I never had a problem with a SB and my home life ever. The main thing is that you find women who are trustworthy and believe it or not, most are. The last thing most women want to do is fuck up a relationship. To be honest, the women I was after were so hot getting a rich, successful guy was not a problem for any of them. That is what you should be after, the most selective women there are. They have so many options it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2449291]Sigh. Pessimist, you are living in a dream world. You get a phone number, license plate, and you can check out anyone on line. I bet just from your license plate that I could find out how much you paid for your car, where you live, and how much you paid for your house in a matter of minutes. Your privacy is an illusion these days.
I never had a problem with a SB and my home life ever. The main thing is that you find women who are trustworthy and believe it or not, most are. The last thing most women want to do is fuck up a relationship. To be honest, the women I was after were so hot getting a rich, successful guy was not a problem for any of them. That is what you should be after, the most selective women there are. They have so many options it is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Well, all I can say is that I have been on SA and other sugar sites for 4 years. A large majority of my arrangements, which have now reached several dozen girls in total in that time frame, are in my home city vicinity and less than 60 miles of me. I do drive my own car, sometimes have given a ride to some sugar babes in my car. Till now, my identity has not been blown. If someone figured me out, they never blurted it to me and for sure no one has knocked on my door step. If some girl wants to create mischief and trouble and makes the effort to track me down, perhaps she can. I don't deny it. Perhaps the other due diligence I do, the sense you have for girls which makes you weed out who could be such miscreants, is helping me. I would and't know, but so far I have been lucky or prudent or both. I am just saying that if ever a girl comes to my door step, that's what I will do, which is have zero dialog with her, slam the door, and either threaten or call the police. I also tend not to have extended very long term arrangements and there is only a minimal amount of emotional attachment on both sides. So, that may be another factor that's been helpful.
On these sites, we all have varying degrees of experience. I realize some people had their identity blown. I don't know how that happened, what they did and did not do, but you can't assume that everyone has the same experience. For some of us with families, identity protection is paramount. It may happen that we will have identity blown, but if we expect that identity will be compromised we will not even enter these arrangements. It is like, you know there is a danger of car accident every time you drive, but if you think the danger is almost a certainty in some specific area, you will avoid that area.
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[QUOTE=SfoCowboy;2449350]I rarely chased models / aspiring models for LTR. There was this amazing girl from Mumbai, a model I met and we hung out a few times for drinks. She agreed for 1500 $ a month LTR. 6-8 meets a month with each meeting lasting from evening till next morning or over a weekend. She agreed for 250 $ a night for the first 4 meets. Somehow she became greedy and told me that she needs money and wants a monthly allowance to be given in advance. I politely dropped off. Girls who cannot keep their commitment are a strict no go.
My personal choice is students. Not 9/10 but more like 7/8.[/QUOTE]Same thing happened to me, she was insulted that I would not pay her in advance, no way these girls are too crazy. She later asked to start the arrangement again, but was always asking for more or crazy demands.
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[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2449298]So do most encounters happen in hotels?[/QUOTE]Usually my first meet up with sex is in a hotel, this way if they are batshit crazy, they don't know where I live. First meet & greet, a couple of days later a dinner date, get a drink either at the hotel bar or someplace close, & then to the hotel room. After the first meetup, it's usually my house.
I like to host for a # of reasons.
1.) I don't live in a complete baller pad, but I have a 5 bedroom 4 k square foot house in the north Atlanta burbs, with a walkout basement, jacuzzi, & a king sized bed in my room.
2.) I like to smoke weed and have sex, I like to avoid risk while driving with weed as it's illegal in my state.
3.) When I pay her to leave after a few hours, I can go back upstairs to the bedroom & go to sleep, no 1/2 hour trip home.
4.) No 12 o'clock checkout, if I put a all nighter in with a girl.
The current girl is completely fine with this arrangement & this is what I look for.
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[QUOTE=Midwestern;2449307]Are you talking about the first encounter? If so, then how would that work? You book the hotel before you meet? This would be ideal, so that you guys can just waltz into the room after a few drinks. BUT, what if there's no chemistry when you meet, or what if she does not even show up? This happens often for first meetings, and then it means you booked the room for nothing. Or, you could book the hotel after chemistry is established. If so, then you will have to book the hotel on an app (or at the front desk) and then pick up the keys at the front desk. But then the gal will instantly know your real identity when you guys are checking in to get the keys. And besides, the whole process of checking into a hotel takes a while, so it is kind of a buzz kill. So this is why I just do a meet and greet for the first meeting. To establish chemistry. I will boink them later. There have been numerous occasions where I got lucky on the first encounter and we just went back to her place. BTW, if I were traveling, then yeah, make the encounter at the hotel. You are staying there anyway. So, there is no waste if she does not show or you don't like each other.[/QUOTE]Good Info Thanks.
So when SEX does happen it is usually at her place or a hotel or do you ever bring an SA date back to your own home?
It seems like hotel cost plus date plus allowance is not too far off from taking a 3/4 day mongering trip eventually. Am I missing something?
I'd be willing to do something like 1 k per month. Maybe 1 session a week for an hour or two full service. Yes / No?
And what about Covid. Has it not ruined SA for the time being or has it evolved more since Covid?
Thanks.