[QUOTE=EastGoing;1547596]I'm not so sure about the service being the same, in quality. And sessions are 20 mins, no?[/QUOTE]20 min limit is only on all inclusive days.
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[QUOTE=EastGoing;1547596]I'm not so sure about the service being the same, in quality. And sessions are 20 mins, no?[/QUOTE]20 min limit is only on all inclusive days.
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1547597]I've noticed that posts in german threads are often too "enthusiastic", speaking of the girls I've seen by my own eyes, maybe because they are written by resident old lads who can be happy with very little, optically speaking.[/QUOTE]Great TR EG!
I also wonder what on earth they see in some of the girls they rave about.
You should have tried out Romantika & Alina. Roxana (FloriatVV) atRomantika & Alina (Bianca VV) at Alina both provide good looks, nice bodies & great service. Not sure about public trans, but worth a try on your next visit.
[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1547596]Good for you guys.
I was there twice, last summer, and I said just what happened to me. I remember Alice, working also as TF, looking badly and calling back one of the girls I was trying to talk to because it was clear I wasn't going to session or anyway not with her. Again, each of us can receive different treatment for different reasons.
I agree that girls are better looking than RTCs (it doesn't take that much) , at least in average, surely in this period. I'm not so sure about the service being the same, in quality. And sessions are 20 mins, no? I may go and check out.
Why is Alice quitting? Not because of some disease, eh?
70 euro for 1 hour? Not AO I suppose.
BTW, did any of you get AO in the room, as a "bonus" or with an "undeclared" payment?[/QUOTE]Entrance 20 Euro. 30 Euro for 20 minutes. 50 Euro for 30 minutes. 80 Euro for 60 minutes. 10 Euro discount on 30 and 60 minute sessions on Sundays and Tuesdays. FKK day on Thursdays. AO 30 Euro extra, irrespective of session time. Never asked for or got a "bonus" AO and no girl has ever asked for it privately.
I just read again my old post of last summer, and I gave a look at freiercafe, google traslate helped enough. So I was remembering right, prices included (thanks JB). Maybe girls dance in the evening, or if there are a few men around. Anyway, there seem to be quite a few possible problems, at least from my point of view. A guy on freiercafe opened my eyes about anal, CIMs (Alice had refused it to me last year) , kissing, etc. It's not that clear who does what according to what, if I'll be asked for extras on top of AO, which, with the mentioned limitations, costs 30 euros more but you cannot finish inside if you take the shortest option. Even timekeeping could be a problem. It may be stressful, complicated and surely would cost 2-3 times what I would fork out in a RTC, even if it was a Tuesday. Girls in the overall maybe better, but I'll feel more comfortable in the other AO clubs. Taking one by one those I had seen, any of them could be working in RTC's, Alice being probably the best (but worst for attitude and service!) , they would have been in the cathegory of the "quietly fuckable". Let's say that watching photos portraying the whole team of those clubs, you would surely choose Angelique Club, but individually, they are not worth twice or more the ones I mentioned as outstanding, who have nothing to envy to them, if not the contrary. Some other ones can be at level, surely giving me a hassle free service.
So I'm afraid I won't be able to greet Alice, last year I had taken her just to blow me as a sort of "come on and just suck my dick, xxxxx " for annoying me and the girls I was trying to talk to. But I'm sure, by looking at her face and eyes, that she can give great sessions, but with me she wouldn't have done it anyway, I think.
Vito,
When I wrote "german threads" I actually meant german forums, but maybe you suggest somehow my statement could be applied also for the german threads here as well? LOL!
I posted my meeting with Bianca, last summer, not the one with Flori, last autumn, which was peaceful, quite plain, I wasn't that attracted. It's true that there is nothing wrong with her, nor phisically nor from any other point of view, but I wouldn't session again with her, she doesn't make me tick. I'm not 100% sure of where to go on my next trip, but probably you won't be surprised if I go again in the 3 I visited recently :-)
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1548419]I just read again my old post of last summer, and I gave a look at freiercafe, google traslate helped enough. So I was remembering right, prices included (thanks JB). Maybe girls dance in the evening, or if there are a few men around. Anyway, there seem to be quite a few possible problems, at least from my point of view. A guy on freiercafe opened my eyes about anal, CIMs (Alice had refused it to me last year) , kissing, etc. It's not that clear who does what according to what, if I'll be asked for extras on top of AO, which, with the mentioned limitations, costs 30 euros more but you cannot finish inside if you take the shortest option.[/QUOTE]When they danced I think I was the only guy around. Whenever I have been there (and I usually am there for at least 6 hours so I can do my three sessions) there is almost never more than one other guy there. The usual M. O. Is for a guy to walk in, look around, choose the girl and go to the room, unless he opts to go to the smoking area in the main reception room to make out first. There has never been one who hung out the whole I have been there.
Regarding extras, the first girl I had there a year ago told me anal was 100 Euro and CIM was 50 Euro, but I don't know if these are standard prices or her prices, since she tried to cheat me out of the Tuesday discount and did overcharge me 10 Euro for AO. However, DFK, BBBJ, DATY, and coming inside has always been included, and since I prefer CIP to CIM, I don't care if there is a CIM charge. I never take the 20 minute session, so I don't know anything about no CIP in a 20 minute session, but how is the girl going to prevent you from coming in her pussy when you're banging her?
[QUOTE=Jimmy Boy 99;1548670]but how is the girl going to prevent you from coming in her pussy when you're banging her?[/QUOTE]This question would work also for CIM. The difference is that in her pussy there are no teeth to punish you :-)
But still you could have annoying discussions or troubles which probably you don't look for, even if it was just paying a surcharge or making the girl not want to session with you anymore.
After being tempted by "greeting" Alice and trying the mentioned Kathy or some other girls new to me, I definitely made up my mind in not going back there. Not only because there will probably be an invasion of punters on the last discounted days of her stay, but because 50euros (or 40) for 30 mins + 30 for BB and limitations, traps, extras, unsureness about timekeeping, etc. Are more than good reasons to send me back where I'm used to or to try new clubs of the same kind where I can hopefully have the same peace of mind.
I was in VV last Saturday. The entrance is 10 euros only if you go during happy hour, which is 10-12am and I'm not sure if also after 8pm, otherwise 60 euros with a zimmer included and 30 all the following ones.
I entered and noticed a few new faces from my last visit, for the first time I wasn't noticing girls who were quite overweight, actually not slightly either. Not that the general beauty was blinding me, but the quick first-glance was better than usual, nothing too attractive but also nothing too repellent. I guess that visits in these clubs are case-sensitive, I mean that apart girls coming and going, you may also miss those who are on vacation or on day off, if you are not a frequent visitor. The atmosphere seemed more relaxed from my last visit, maybe because there was another TF, who could even speak some english, instead of Barbara, who keeps on firing girls, I heard.
After the usual procedures I came upstairs to analyze the new arrivals, but unexpectedly from my back I heard the call of a girl who should have been on another sofa. Yes, it was Laura, I willingly postponed searches and sacrified. For Captain Dan's curiosity, I noticed a missing tooth on the left upper arcade, but I couldn't tell if it was a new absence or it was already missing, I think I just forgot to mention it when I posted about her dental panoramic. We had only some 40 minutes couch time. Besides us there was a cheerful blonde playing and joking with a guy, she seemed very funny, with great attitude, nice body and an ok face, I thought she would easily have been the second target. I declared it to Laura, who seemed not to agree that much, shortly after we went to the room. No kissing, she didn't have a cold this time, I made an attempt with little intention, she didn't want to and I didn't mind, I was thinking of Captain Dan, LOL! What would have he thought?
It was not a great session, a bit mechanical, but still I like her enough to be glad anyway.
Then I had some boring time and a little chat with Magda, I had fucked her last year. I was sure she had recognized me, instead she seemed not to. She's a sweet girl, but nothing special, I had chosen her for "desperation", since the price structure was the one when you must declare as soon as you enter how many sessions you are going to have. If I'm not mistaken she does anal too.
I scanned potential preys, there were 2 good candidates, but I had set my mind on the blonde, the discovery of her nationality (bulgarian) and lack of common languages made me doubt a lot. Zero couch time, I told her "zimmer" straight away, before I changed my mind: she had impressed me when she was dealing with the other guy, I rather blondes even if evidently fake and phisically she was ok, just slightly "dried off" boobs (something common in VV, at least in this visit, is it some sort of virus or a requirement to work there?). I wanted to challenge my luck... and I lost, as usual: no communication, no fun, just mechanical action. Was that Vicky, the girl I had admired a couple of hours before?
I got out of the room willingly, promising myself that I wouldn't session anymore with a girl I couldn't speak with, unless she was utterly better than her competitors.
I left the club after about 3 hours, not satisfied, I should have tried at least one of the other 2 new girls I had noticed, whose names I think were Sissy and Sara or Sandra, both romanians. I will, if I see them next time...
On Sunday my initial plan was to visit Villa Romantica, something I wanted to do anyway, if not that day at least in this trip. For a second I considered Angelique Club, then I thought about returning to VV to try the 2 girls I had missed the day before. But in the end Arabella was my choice, I already had made an effort, an exception, not going there as soon as I had landed, I had betrayed for VV.
TF would have been Anna, very nice, english speaking, lot of time I didn't see her.
The door was opened by a pretty, young, slim, new Romanian girl, Alexandra. I stared at her in astonishment, she laughed but didn't try to hook me up instantly, probably because she's still "naive", also probably because she was surprised by my reaction of incredulity and because, after stepping in, I was assaulted by Raissa, who managed to quickly "extort" me the committment for zimmer fractions of seconds before I received the hugs of Gaby and Denise. WTF, so nice to be back "home".
I finally managed to cover the hardly 3 meters from the entrance to the counter and greeted Anna. The other customers were smiling and laughing for the welcome I had been given, they were sitting alone on empty couches, I had 4 chicks around me and I couldn't move :-) The scene from outside must have been really funny, they were sincerely enjoying it, they were nor disappointed nor envious, just amused, actually it was me envying their peace. Maybe because I look young (and behave even more "youngishly") , wherever I go girls often trespass certain limits of respect and confidence, feeling allowed to take approaches and initiatives, and in Arabella this can happen beyond "decency". I hadn't had a look around yet, and I already had had to declare that I couldn't have gone with all of them. They were just the first 4 I've met just entering, what if there had been other candidates, maybe other new valid girls? Before going to get changed, I tried to tell Raissa not to wait for me, but when I came back upstairs she literally jumped on me, she had been diabolically waiting for me by the entrance, on top of the stairs. We landed on a couch, I opened my mouth like to yell or say something and... got her tongue down my throat. I surrendered to the power of "love", LOL!
Once again, I could notice the envies, the rivalries that there are in clubs: about customers' choices,"stealing" from colleagues, expected interventions of TF, etc. In Arabella, maybe because it is small, with a "familiar" atmosphere, or maybe because it's the place I frequent more and with the highest "interaction", I always notice, feel, even hear at times, the "consequences" of choices customers make. Many times girls spoke to me about "that b*t*h", referring to some other girls, guilty of being too "active", too "enterprising", unrespectful of rules, priorities and "properties" ("that guy is my customer and she stole him"). I even heard more than once alleged charges of "that girl" having diseases or going with too many men daily (which would increase her chances to catch something) , as if that could make a difference in such clubs with such promiscuity. Bah.
In the room we had a great GFE session, this time she wasn't in a hurry, maybe also because something "strange" happened. My offspring flowed into her, but she didn't realize it, less than 10 minutes left. Ok, having orgasms daily and repeatedly will not make you squirt litres, but still it had never happened to me that an AO girl wouldn't feel the unloading. I carried on a little bit after changing position and playing her a little, just to overcome the post-orgasm sensitiveness of my dick. We both gave a look to the watches, she was worried time would run out without me finishing, I "reassured" her that Anna wouldn't tell her off for staying longer with me, but I forgot other girls may, and this time surely would. Or she just wanted to go, we had already stayed too long for her standards? You should have seen her face and her reaction when I told her that I was done, giving her "evidence": I fingered her pussy, then showed her and made her smell the fluids. I must say that the cocktail of our juices smelt great, LOL! She jumped out of bed and got ready to leave the room like if there had been a bomb ticking, LOL, while discussing this unusual thing.
Back in the hall, I had to face a fierce court processing me for going twice consecutive (last girl of my last visit and first one of that day) with the same girl, furthermore with the aggravating circumstance that she wasn't an "old glory". I have noticed, also in other clubs, that these girls have an incredible memory, remembering who has gone with whom, when, how many times, in what order, etc. Do they take notes? Even girls I had never been with and a couple of new ones (!) complained, who more kindly who less, about my choice because I should vary! Gina, a too "lively" girl new to me, took plenty of "risky freedom" with me: even if I could tolerate her behaviour, TF could kick her out, since some other customers and girls were not enjoying her jumping on me, harassing me noisily, etc. Apart from her, I thought the matter was a joke, but somebody was really serious. The fact that I also declared that the mentioned Alexandra would have been the second and last target didn't help soothing the atmosphere.
BTW, I got informed that Elena should be on holiday, but she's lost in space since long time and therefore not expected back. What a great loss! She had such a body and was so pretty, maybe she realized she was wasted in such clubs for so little money per session, even if surely she was the most zimmered girl of the club. Stefania left the club, while sweet Nicole has been sent away because in last times she wasn't making more than 2-3 rooms a day. I was told she should be in Romantica too, which seems to host all the refugees of the other older clubs. Pratically going there would basically mean to meet some girls I already know, just in a different environment, which made me decide to further postpone my debut over there.
For the first time, nobody accompanied me to the exit (the 2 honeys of that day were busy) , anyway, once again it was a matter of catching the right day, the crew was much better than my last visit and, as usual, I will go back to Arabella willingly in my future trips. Whoever is there and whatever happens, at least I'm sure I will not have boring time, LOL!
Returned to her after a three year gap. Made four sessions with her and just loved her crazy enthusiasm. Where else can one get a session including enthusiastic anal and public sex for 30 euros a shot. She is of course the most popular girl there, with other customers doing repeat sessions with her. She was really worth the trip. Not sure about the soundness of her politics but I didn't encourage that. Highly recommended.
Went with another girl also but that was just average for one of these clubs
I will be making my 2nd trip to NRW region and was wondering if the girls are available to take back to your hotel? My last visit I made a connection with a girl and was too shy to ask. Is this possible, and if so, what is the usual cost? Does it have to be at a certain time? Are girls allowed to do this on their day off?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=BuffaloJunk; 1554896]I will be making my 2nd trip to NRW region and was wondering if the girls are available to take back to your hotel? My last visit I made a connection with a girl and was too shy to ask. Is this possible, and if so, what is the usual cost? Does it have to be at a certain time? Are girls allowed to do this on their day off?
Thanks![/QUOTE]I assume you are talking about the girls working in these clubs, not in NRW generally.
First of all, these clubs open at 10 o'clock in the morning and close at 23 (even later if they are busy) , on fri and sat at midnight. Normally girls are supposed to stay from opening until closing, it's not like in normal FKKs where you have shifts, day and night. So not much spare time left, no? Your only chance is the only day off they take in the week.
Second, it is absolutely forbidden to exchange numbers and / or meet outside, since the club would lose your entrance fee and the girl's entrance fee of that day, which should be 80 euros in total. There is not "bar fine" like in Thailand and Philippines.
Of course in the room you are alone and you can do and say what you want. If you do it, expect about 100 euros per hour, of course it will be difficult for the girl to accept only 1 or 2 hours. Transportation costs to be discussed and maybe the time necessary to join you could count too.
In the club it would be much cheaper and more worth it, since normally you pay only for the room and not for couch or recovery time. I must have understood that some customers pay also for extended couch time, but I don't know how it works, I always got it free. I know that, even if you are going to make 2 consecutive sessions with the same girl, you have to come out of the room, even only for 5 minutes, otherwise you will be charged 120 euros for one hour (instead of the normal 60), couch time will not be considered for that calculation.
However, it's up to the girl, it depends also on distances, on their "boyfriends", etc. In general, anyway, you'd better stay in the club and session with her repeatedly. As you can read, Optimist took Angie 4 times!
I'll soon post my recent Grimberg visit.
P.S. You wrote you already visited once. Where are your reports?
[QUOTE=EastGoing;1555274]Second, it is absolutely forbidden to exchange numbers and / or meet outside, since the club would lose your entrance fee and the girl's entrance fee of that day, which should be 80 euros in total.[/QUOTE]My understanding of the club system in Germany is they are 'legal' since they charge 'everyone' for entrance, basically 'what goes on between two consenting adults' concept. The girls aren't 'employee's' of the club, they are 'guests'. So there shouldn't be any club interference with two consenting adults seeing each other outside the club. If the club does anything to either of the parties involved (assuming numbers were exchanged, they met outside the club and the club found out about the meeting) , would the club be risking their 'third party' status with the authorities?
Buffalo Junk. As Breadman says, the club cannot stop this happening; the girls are all self-employed. The girl may in certain circumstances be reluctant (personal code of ethics, pressure from club owners, domestic circumstances, boyfriends, safety concerns). The longer you have known the girl the cheaper it is likely to be. Top prices asked seem to be 1000 euro a day, which to my mind is a rip-off. Lowest price if you know a girl can be short (over a cup of coffee) meetings for free or 250 euro for a weekend at which point you are no longer in a business relationship). If you only want a short time then you would probably have to do it on her day off, when they are usually reluctant to work. In short, it all depends on you and the girl
As Eastgoing says, it sounds that repeat session in a club may work out cheaper and better. Unless you are after a personal relationship
Yes, but we also know that this is less clear cut as you guys describe. In the RTCs they kick girls out all the time, in Dietzenbach (and sometimes Venus) you are not allowed to go with the same girl twice. Hourlong sessions are overpriced. All things that is bad for the girl you are interested in. If the clubs says: "meet up with a man outside and we kick you out", there is nothing anyone can do.
Breadman and Optimist,
I speak out of what I personally know and what I see or I'm told, the latter could be mistaken or even false, but I hope you'll believe what I can write out of my personal experience.
I think what you say applies to normal FKKs, bigger ones, not AO, with many girls, who come and go probably when they want or anyway with more freedom. If 1 or 10 girls don't pop up in Oase, or arrive late, probably it will not be a problem, nor for them nor for the club. If this happens in Grimberg, where on my last visit I found only 10 girls, it would be a disaster.
I know girls are (supposed to be) self-employed, but in RTCs this is "less true". As I wrote about Elena in Arabella, you can consider her an ex, because she's been away too long and without giving info, which probably means that if she goes there tomorrow they will not let her in anyway.
I can tell you, by personal experience, that it can happen that girls with menstruations are "called" and "asked" to work anyway (in an AO club!) because the club that day is short-staffed or maybe it is a weekend day, otherwise... you guess it, yes?
If you read well through the lines, you'll understand I know what I talk about, amounts and figures included. As we all know, not everything is postable. I don't post many things that, luckily or not, I come or have come across, not to damage girls. I don't lie, but I withhold a lot, I'm sure I'm not the only one. I just post easy surface stuff, I don't post about facts and / or girls I reckon it is better not to make public, especially in their own interest.
I personally know little about normal FKKs, I've been too few times, but I've read a lot, things make sense. I'd dare to say that AO clubs are a world apart, many things don't make much sense, starting from the fact that you can get AO (LOL!): the matter of double price for one hour consecutive; the fact that sometimes you can't session twice with the same girl; the number of hours they have to stay there; the fact of having to work with menstruation and even if they don't feel well, etc. Once I sessioned with a girl whose pussy I could hardly penetrate because she had pains for fucking too much and also with a guy who broke her down with his big dick. She was new, in the business and in the club, she was afraid to refuse customers or leave, what a situation, I felt so sorry for her!
These little clubs can host a limited number of girls, and they want girls who make many zimmers a day. Nicole, who worked in Arabella for more than one year, was sent away because in the last 1-2 months was making only 2-3 zimmers a day, I guess they even took too long to show her the door, probably because she was a "veteran". Girls who make many rooms are allowed some more freedom, little rule-breaking, zimmer time, etc. Barbara, TF in VV, has recently established a sort of reign of terror, next time I go there I expect to see many other changes in the staff, maybe that is also due to availability of girls willing to work, for one who goes 2-3 go and ask, falling in line.
About the clubs being third party, well, I think they can refuse admittance, both to a customer, maybe slightly more problematic, and to a girl.
BTW, I remember reading in the past that in Arabella "coloured men" were not admitted. Last week I saw a sort of indian, maybe paki. 50+ years old.
Just my 2 cents