This belongs in the "Morality of Prostitution" section.
I would respectfully ask you to delete this and re-post it there, where the proper discussion can ensue around it. This is the Bogotá forum.
[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2885045]Johnnie, it sounds like you have heard hookers talking long term, but some of the stuff you mention like classes or buying a house, you did not personally see right? I had been in the sugar game a long time, and in the forums everywhere, you will see guys say that turning a stripper / hooker into a long term sugar baby let alone a GF is a losing proposition. Getting them gifts, like this guy did, will not be appreciated unlike with real sugar babies or a GF.
The one successful hooker I knew personally who got out of the biz and ran her own business really was not independent. She had a sugar daddy on the side.
Thing is when I mentioned looking for long term, I was actually thinking this gal was a bad long term partner more because she was Venezuelan than a hooker. The hooker part for me was a given, but your post made me want to look more into the why hookers are bad long term partners.
There was a fascinating video on youtube of a guy who ran a brothel: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9kQuy90OGM[/URL].
I found the guy to be honest, logical, and a straight shooter. He only hired woman new to the business and only kept them in the business for a year. In his book, he described successful hookers who were millionaires but were so addicted to money they could not leave the business even in their 50's.
Then there was this from a woman who really was a hooker. Granted, she had an agenda. [URL]https://psyche.co/ideas/the-reality-of-prostitution-is-not-complex-it-is-simple[/URL].
Prostitution is not sex and it's not work. Its reality is far from complex in fact, it's simple. Trust me, I've done it. The truth is, there was no 'work' involved in what was done to us in prostitution. Prostitution is neither sex nor work.
During my last 10 years campaigning, I have sometimes been asked by women what prostitution 'feels like'. I hit on a way of explaining this some years ago, and have repeated it a few times since. I invite them, the next time they are in a caf or a bar, to take a look around at the male patrons. Old, young, fat, thin, tall, short, handsome, ugly, beautiful, repulsive and imagine that they are obliged to have sex with them. All of them. The women's faces turn to horror because they don't need to imagine; they know full well that they'the have no interest in sleeping with whoever happens to walk through the door. At the most basic level, having our personal space breached by a stranger causes a stress reaction. Sex does not just involve mutuality; it necessitates it. The sex of prostitution is devoid of mutuality, and cash is introduced to fill the breach.
The brothel operator said the same thing: And one year is the time limit where it is not enough time to damage you psychologically for good, you can still reverse the damage, however, you run the risk of irreversible psychological damage if you stayed in this business longer than one year. Making big money is addicting, you do not want to fall into the trap of getting used to making this type of money.
I had never thought of a hooker as damaged goods. That sounds a little judgmental to me, but I found it interesting that both of these two people mentioned it.
I wish I could I say that I went the sugar route because I was concerned for the damage being done to women. There were two main drivers for me. The first and morally worse reason was the sex was better. The other was the feeling of emptiness after paying the hooker and having her leave. Even the rare times when you had this passionate intimate experience, it was like the women put back up this wall and said this was all about the money. I did not feel that emptiness with a sugar baby. With sugar babies, the women were in no hurry to leave, and I did not want them to go.
People make fun of sugaring versus seeing a hooker. They say it is the same thing, sex for money, but I knew it was different. That mutuality the former hooker talks about is intact in a sugar relationship whereas it is not with hookers. I read in a different book that women who are mistresses of married men look for the same qualities in the married man that they do in a partner. So while there is sex for money, like sugaring, it is not all sex for money, and that prevents or more likely lessens the damage.
Anyway, Johnnie, thanks for the post. It made me think, and I wanted clarity on this subject.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for all the options
I do think there are options that are good for dinner. A good number of them are open until 9 or 10 pm everyday but closed on sundays by 4 or 5 pm which is a bummer.
Thanks for all the suggestions though.
[QUOTE=Euphori;2885028]Like DaVinci was saying behind the museum / wok restaurant there are some real good restaurants on 29/30. The best was:
Restaurante why chocolateria Yoconta.
CL. 30 #5 - 82 Local 1, Bogot, Colombia.
They're only open until late afternoon but the food was so good / popular they had to open a 2nd restaurant next door called yocanta 2.
I did find one spot on the street over open for dinner that was excellent name is Turmequ Bar why Cocina Bogot on Calle 29. There's an Italian spot just up the hill from there that looked great I just didn't have time to try it, but it's on the list for my March trip. Name is Restaurante Aria.[/QUOTE]
I prefer using a US number
[QUOTE=JohnnyWishBone;2885830]True, but I think having a local number helps.[/QUOTE]When I'm contacting girls on sites for independents, non agency. ID say at least half are still being answered by their boss at the casa they work at. Prices and extras usually listed in ad. But the true independent hot girls that answer their own publications definitely pay way more attention to the US numbers coming in. They'd rather hook a gringo at their going rate listed and add adicionales and repeat repeat and then convince you to come back and visit. Some girls even advertise they only see foreigners and not locals. So not sure where your logic is coming from. I speak Spanish, I'm from US and I just do my due diligence to know the going rates.
Just keep your profile pic generic, or a cartoon or something. And block them from your stories.
Any Casas open on Sunday?
I took a taxi to Rosquillas Bar 64 this afternoon around 1:30 pm And it appeared dead on the street, so I did not even get out of the taxi to go check.
Any casas open for sure on Sunday?
Thanks.