Stupid shit in Medellin

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571766]Okay, I understand what you're saying. GCC is a codon that designates Alanine. GCC-GCC designates two Alanines. There are 35 other codons which also designate Alanine -- and the QAnon theory is that this could only be a result of engineering as this combination of codons would never appear in nature? But, they do. If you're interested (which I admit is unlikely) you can find a very understandable synopsis of the early "Lab Leak" hypothesis here:

[URL]https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/06/22/sci2-j22.html[/URL][/QUOTE]First, and importantly, I'll admit that some of this article is above my pay grade. Perhaps you are a genetic scientist. I am not.

That said, the article, and even your commentary, loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. Why? Because the article takes a political position to discount a theory. Likewise, when you associate a theory with QAnon, it exposes your bias. To be perfectly clear, I laugh at the Q nutjobs probably as much as you. But my larger point, science and politics should not mix. Adding that into the article does nothing more than expose the agenda of the author.

I'll go even further. The lack of curiosity is antithetical to science. There was a clear effort to halt any investigation before it could even start. Is that science? As each day goes by, the lies and coverup becomes more evident. What in the world do we gain by not uncovering the truth? For example, the WHO determined that live bats were not kept in the lab. We now know that's false based on video evidence. I'm going to really trigger some people here but I liken it to global warming. There is a dangerous lack of curiosity. We use the term "settled science". What? That term is almost an oxymoron. But here again, politics (and oh yes, that all important government funding trough) interfere with actual scientific work.

Beyond that, this article stops FAR short of debunking the hypothesis. For example:

"There is nothing mysterious about having a 'first example' of a virus with an FCS. Viruses sampled to date only give us a teeny-tiny fraction of all the viruses circulating in the wild."

So the author is speculating that since we've only decoded a small sample of viruses, well then a specific code must be out there. Except, that's not science. That's speculation. But yet he throws stones at "conspiracy theories". The irony!

I appreciate you sharing. I have my opinions and information only helps. I don't agree with your synopsis, or the author's premise, but it was interesting.

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2571823]First, and importantly, I'll admit that some of this article is above my pay grade. Perhaps you are a genetic scientist. I am not.

That said, the article, and even your commentary, loses a lot of credibility in my opinion. Why? Because the article takes a political position to discount a theory. Likewise, when you associate a theory with QAnon, it exposes your bias. To be perfectly clear, I laugh at the Q nutjobs probably as much as you. But my larger point, science and politics should not mix. Adding that into the article does nothing more than expose the agenda of the author.

I'll go even further. The lack of curiosity is antithetical to science. There was a clear effort to halt any investigation before it could even start. Is that science? As each day goes by, the lies and coverup becomes more evident. What in the world do we gain by not uncovering the truth? For example, the WHO determined that live bats were not kept in the lab. We now know that's false based on video evidence. I'm going to really trigger some people here but I liken it to global warming. There is a dangerous lack of curiosity. We use the term "settled science". What? That term is almost an oxymoron. But here again, politics (and oh yes, that all important government funding trough) interfere with actual scientific work..[/QUOTE]Perhaps you meant to quote a different section of the article.

"There is nothing mysterious about having a 'first example' of a virus with an FCS. Viruses sampled to date only give us a teeny-tiny fraction of all the viruses circulating in the wild. "

I'll try to put that quote into context for you. Although it shouldn't be necessary because the article clearly states that other CoVs have an FCS and gives examples.

Let's connect it to mongering, just for fun. Let's say you only recently started mongering and the small sample of girls you've been with have given pretty much the same service, CBJ, CFS and mechanical performance. It's not speculation to say girls who provide better service probably exist, because there are millions out there and you've only experienced a few. When you encounter a girl who gives 5 star service would you immediately assume she was bioengineered or would you just expand your knowledge base?

This is what Dr. Anderson is saying. Because only a tiny portion of existing viruses have been decoded, it's to be expected that new information will be discovered as new viruses are decoded.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571136]That is not the same study you lying POS. You have been running around proclaiming lockdowns work and are the cure. The study from Stanford I cited showed they did not work and it had nothing to do with fucking masks.

So you lied about not posting about Covid anymore.

You lied about the study.

And worst of all, you and all you Democratic douches lied about what was best for Corona, lockdowns. Colombia did everything you pro-"science" douches wanted and the results were a fucking disaster. You even insulted the Colombian people as noncompliant when they sacrificed more in the name of Corona than we ever did. Thank God they finally rebelled.

You fucking douches are still in denial about what went on. The virus was caused by the very scientists you want us to bend over and worship. Before they could get caught, they tried censoring the truth. Even Jon Stewart went off on the idiotic "there is no evidence it leaked from a lab."

Keep trying to save face douche![/QUOTE]They are selling or giving away vaccines that are 100% h20 jajajajajajajaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

[URL]https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/22/business/economy/china-vaccines-covid-outbreak.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage[/URL]

[QUOTE=Dcrist0527;2571670]LMAO Sorry, I'm an idiot. It's double CGG. A genetic scientist I am not. Haha But I have read a lot on this subject and I do believe this issue is as close to a smoking gun as we have.[/QUOTE]CGG codes for Arginine -- and your point is? As far as CGGCGG not existing in nature, it does. You can search and find millions of snippets of "...somethingsomethingCGGCGGsomethingsomething... ". As far as, "...read a lot on this subject...", you have to learn to distinguish between sources. I recommend that you study some sort science before you comment with such assurance on it. People, in general, value certainty; whereas, science is about uncertainty. People want an answer. Unfortunately, there is no "smoking gun". The evidence at this point for any origin hypothesis is very thin, which is unsatisfying for most people. The answer, if we ever find it, will probably come from careful analysis done by many scientists -- not by internet sleuths. Based on similar viruses, the odds at this point are that the origin is zoonotic.

The Republicans (e. G. , Tom Cotton, QAnon, etc) have seized on "Lab Leak", "Gain of Function", "Bioengineering" as a way to distract us from their incompetence. We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity.

One other point about "Gain of Function", this virus is gaining a hell of a lot more function than it could have in the lab. Why? Because we have politicized both mask wearing and vaccination and simply let it run wild -- it's mutating like fucking mad every second. Regardless of the origin of this virus, we, as humans, have to get together and crush it. If you're not vaccinated, get vaccinated.

You are getting there, Dchrist. This is covered in the [URL]medium.com[/URL] article:

Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.

How then did SARS2 acquire its furin cleavage site? Either the site evolved naturally, or it was inserted by researchers at the S1/ S2 junction in a gain-of-function experiment.

For those who think SARS2 may have escaped from a lab, explaining the furin cleavage site is no problem at all. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/ S2 junction in the laboratory," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. "At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including by Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. ".

Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus "would probably" have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it's obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

End of quote.

Let's go to Jon Stewart's chocolate example. If there is an outbreak of choclately goodness in Hershey, PA, the FCS is the wrapper around the chocolate and what was found in Hershey? Tons and tons of wrappers, but the wrappers, which can easily be made by man, are a little different than those known to be made by man. But Anderson argues, well argues in March 2020 not January 2020, because no person is known to have made that exact wrapper, man didn't make it. Nature did.

But it is even worse than that because if you think it cannot get even more stupid, it does.

Dr. Kristian Andersen who was "steadfast" that the virus came from nature in JC's article, actually wrote Anthony Fauci a few weeks before the infamous Nature article. And their conversation went something like this.

Andersen: Fauci, my team and I have looked at the chocolate wrapper, and we all think it is man made.

Fauci: Okay, Andersen, let's talk.

Five weeks later, Andersen says to the world via the Nature article: My team and I have examined the wrapper, and it clearly originated in nature and anyone who thinks otherwise is a conspiracy theorist.

Two months later, Fauci says to Andersen: Great job on that paper! Here is a $1. 88 million bribe, I mean grant.

A few weeks ago, the email conversations between Fauci and Andersen become public and Andersen deletes thousands of his online tweets.

Then you get JC's article which is titled, How science demolishes the right-wing fiction of a Wuhan "lab leak" as the source of coronavirus and make Andersen into a hero.

So do the Democratic douches get it? Maybe they do not feel as strongly as I do and want these POS assholes Andersen, Fauci, and Dazsak sued into the next century but could they at least say that Anderson was conflicted or hypocritical?

Nah. All these douches do is hear the right wing thinks one way and they go the other. Somehow anyone attacking Andersen based on Andersen's own words and actions is a Q'Anon nut job per JC.

And JJBee is like "Let me explain Andersen to you. We do not know all the wrappers nature can produce."

All you have to do to get these douches to turn off their brains is wrap everything up in a red-blue conflict. The question I have with the article that JC linked, "Is how much did China pay for it?

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571954] We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity.[/QUOTE]And this is the definition of being a Democratic douche. Fauci, Dazsak, Andersen, the bat lady and the CCP get off scot free because of these fucking douches.

But on Australian TV. The leading journalist on lab leak is Sherri Markson in Australia. Again, she uncovers Fauci being the short sighted fool he is:

[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0c7vInnhSlY[/URL]

What Fauci says at the 5:40 mark is unreal.

If Fauci said and did the things he did and was in the private sector, he would be stripped of his medical license, tarred and feathered verbally in court, and forced into bankruptcy.

What is so frustrating to me is that he is going to escape his fate because the Dems used him to make Trump look badly. To the Democratic douches, 4 million deaths was a small price to pay to get rid of Trump.

[QUOTE=JohnClayton;2571954]CGG codes for Arginine -- and your point is? As far as CGGCGG not existing in nature, it does. You can search and find millions of snippets of "...somethingsomethingCGGCGGsomethingsomething... ". As far as, "...read a lot on this subject...", you have to learn to distinguish between sources. I recommend that you study some sort science before you comment with such assurance on it. People, in general, value certainty; whereas, science is about uncertainty. People want an answer. Unfortunately, there is no "smoking gun". The evidence at this point for any origin hypothesis is very thin, which is unsatisfying for most people. The answer, if we ever find it, will probably come from careful analysis done by many scientists -- not by internet sleuths. Based on similar viruses, the odds at this point are that the origin is zoonotic.

The Republicans (e. G. , Tom Cotton, QAnon, etc) have seized on "Lab Leak", "Gain of Function", "Bioengineering" as a way to distract us from their incompetence. We may never know the origin of sars-cov-2; however, we do know for sure that a half million Americans died needlessly and prematurely because of Trump's denialism and Republican complicity..[/QUOTE]As for the science, even the article you provided admitted that there is not another known virus with that sequence in nature. They speculate that it must be out there. But the fact is it hasn't been found.

But I do hope you recognize the irony of your position. You warn me about sourcing but disqualify sources based on politics. Tom Cotton? The next word I hear out of his mouth on this topic will be the first. Gain of function research has nothing to do with politics. Nothing. The facts are plain as day, despite Fauci's lies and coverups. Masks aren't political. There are sheep on both sides. Some will go to their grave clinging to their mask because of illogical fear thrown at them from the left. And there are some that will enjoy burning masks while sipping bleach because Trump said so. None of that changes the science of masks, which I don't want to get into now.

It's the old FoxNews vs CNN debate. Both sides are guilty. Which is exactly why I discount much of your commentary. "Trump's denialism and Republican complicity." You know why politicizing it is dangerous? Vaccine hesitation is real. The left wants to "politicize" it. Do you know what the hesitancy rate is in the black community? Call me crazy but that's not a bastion of Trump support. But political hacks and their sheep would rather score political points than address an issue. See the border issue. See immigration. They are making this a political issue and you are falling for it.

Lastly, you make a great point. But you contradict it. Science is about uncertainty. That is 100% accurate. So why then do we have many in the science community pushing a narrative / conclusion when there is so much uncertainty? I appreciate the conversation and your perspective.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571993]And this is the definition of being a Democratic douche. Fauci, Dazsak, Andersen, the bat lady and the CCP get off scot free because of these fucking douches.[/QUOTE]That is the most ludicrous part. The group that somehow is certain is not a lab leak can ignore a mountain of scientific and circumstantial evidence. They lack any curiosity to investigate. And this has the historical import of perhaps both world wars combined.

As with everything, you follow the money for answers. Fauci is on record saying this risk, this very risk of a pandemic, is worth it. For the Fauci fans, do you agree it was worth it? So he favors the research. Fact. He funds the research. Fact. And when it goes bad? Cover it up. Masks are ineffective. Wear three masks. Masks were for optics. And this is the clown, err, the expert they cling to. Comical. This man should be liable along with Daszak, and all of their Chinese conspirators. Given the outcome, he should be in jail.

15-25 years ago I used to be quite active on a number of quality mongering sites (Penhball, XTreme, etc.) Most of you idiots would not have been invited there or even known of their existence. Those highly informative and supportive sites are long gone now due to.

Assholes who were unable to stay out of politics and trolling for a fight. For years I keep dropping back in here (since WSG disintegrated) to see if there is any useful info for my next trip. Mostly I find posts that have nothing to do with the subject of this site.

And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.

[QUOTE=BudKona;2572337]And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.[/QUOTE]I posted a few days ago with identical thoughts and it never appeared on the site. Let's see if this one appears. One of my bitches was that MarquisdeSade1 has never been to Colombia but is now posting stuff about his trips here and there are idiots commenting on his BS posts and asking him for advice. His BS has been commented about several times and the moderators do nothing. Unreal! Many of my posts are not nice but are accurate and are deleted by moderators for hurting feelings. I will PM you and share Centro info. I do not post much of the real information because so many are unworthy and I would have to go to great detail to explain.

[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2571991]You are getting there, Dchrist. This is covered in the [URL]medium.com[/URL] article:

Viruses have all kinds of clever tricks, so why does the furin cleavage site stand out? Because of all known SARS-related beta-coronaviruses, only SARS2 possesses a furin cleavage site. All the other viruses have their S2 unit cleaved at a different site and by a different mechanism.

How then did SARS2 acquire its furin cleavage site? Either the site evolved naturally, or it was inserted by researchers at the S1/ S2 junction in a gain-of-function experiment.

For those who think SARS2 may have escaped from a lab, explaining the furin cleavage site is no problem at all. "Since 1992 the virology community has known that the one sure way to make a virus deadlier is to give it a furin cleavage site at the S1/ S2 junction in the laboratory," writes Dr. Steven Quay, a biotech entrepreneur interested in the origins of SARS2. "At least eleven gain-of-function experiments, adding a furin site to make a virus more infective, are published in the open literature, including by Dr. Zhengli Shi, head of coronavirus research at the Wuhan Institute of Virology. ".

Anyone manipulating the SARS2 virus "would probably" have used one of these known backbones, the Andersen group writes, and since SARS2 is not derived from any of them, therefore it was not manipulated. But the argument is conspicuously inconclusive. DNA backbones are quite easy to make, so it's obviously possible that SARS2 was manipulated using an unpublished DNA backbone.

End of quote..[/QUOTE]1. Why do you bring up "circumstantial evidence"? If circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to convict the orange fruitcake then it isn't good enough here.

2. I put on my pants this morning. It rained this morning. Are the two connected?

[QUOTE=BudKona;2572337]15-25 years ago I used to be quite active on a number of quality mongering sites (Penhball, XTreme, etc.) Most of you idiots would not have been invited there or even known of their existence. Those highly informative and supportive sites are long gone now due to.

Assholes who were unable to stay out of politics and trolling for a fight. For years I keep dropping back in here (since WSG disintegrated) to see if there is any useful info for my next trip. Mostly I find posts that have nothing to do with the subject of this site.

And the moderators don't seem to make any effort to cull out the bullshit and morons in an effort to add value to the site. What a fucking waste. You assholes that post here are the same dipshits that fuck up the economy and potential action at the best destinations.[/QUOTE]I'm the moron? You're the one looking through a thread called Stupid Shit in Medellin for valuable information? LMAO.

The mods do give some latitude in the Stupid Shit threads for the various locales. In my opinion, that is a phenomenal solution. I've seen them move stupid shit posted in the "normal" threads into stupid shit so people clearly no there's virtually zero monger value.

Maybe this thread is just not meant for the hypersensitive.

[QUOTE=HotelAl;2572467]Could someone please recommend a nice comfortable girl friendly hotel in Medellin? Close to the action and nice property. I am fluent in Spanish so the language is no issue.

This will be my first time in Colombia but am a seasoned traveler. Please give me the top 5 hotels.

Gracias.[/QUOTE]First off, you need to do some due diligence and read through the posts. There's plenty of information regarding girl friendly hotels, but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. You're going to have to earn some cred. Traveling the rest of the world is a wonderful thing, but it won't necessarily inform you about traveling or mongering in Colombia. A good place to start would be the Mansion.

[QUOTE=MiamiSammy;2572496]First off, you need to do some due diligence and read through the posts. There's plenty of information regarding girl friendly hotels, but you're unlikely to get someone to spend the time to give you a list of the top five. You're going to have to earn some cred. Traveling the rest of the world is a wonderful thing, but it won't necessarily inform you about traveling or mongering in Colombia. A good place to start would be the Mansion.[/QUOTE]What a crappy attitude, I would never answer a request with such a remark. I would either not answer or be helpful, but I wouldn't be a jerk. Perhaps you need some fiber in your diet.