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Does anyone have any information on brothels in the Westlake area of Hanoi?
Where do you go in Hanoi to find a pharmacy and can I get Viagra there? Is it available in Hanoi? Please, any tips would sure be appreciated.
Does anybody have info about the action in Bay Chai (the so called Halong Bay City), Cat Ba and Haiphong ?
I will be travelling from China to this area next month. Any hotel to recommand ?
Thanks
Erik: I haven't been yet but people who have say Halong City is PACKED with taxi girls, and there are some even in Cat Ba (on the island).
Thanks. I will go next month (coming from China via Mongcai), and shall let you know what I have found there.
By the way, did you know that just accros the chinese border you can find young Viet girls for the same range of price and services as in Cambodia ?
Surfer,
According to this,
Erik, I'm no techie but go to www.************.com then look for "Vietnam fun". I can try and find the link. But by FAR the best source is www.penhball.com, member area. This board has many posts on CURRENT options in VN as well as in Cambodia.
What do you mean no problem? I 've tried so many times and never found any Vietnam Fun forum except some forums that talks about Vietnam war. Please be more specific, such as, where, what to type in, or where about on the page that will lead you to it.
Vietnam Fun link is here: http://forums.************.com/vietnamfun/messages?msg=265.2
This is now your best bet as pressure from the Femanazis has resulted in the closure (yesterday) of Pehnball.com. Another one (website) bites the dust.
Surfer,
Thanks,
You could just simply tell us to type it in as:
http://forums.************.com/vietnamfun
There is no place on th page that has this shortcut. Just type this in and go.
Seems I took the correct decision not to register on the paying site Penhball, as it has closed down now. I would have paid for nothing ! And nobody to contact for refund or complain.
I definitely do not trust e-business. We'll see in 5 or 10 years...
Lucky (the owner) has emailed all who paid explaining how to get a full refund through paypal. This was NOT a ripoff site at all and people are looking at methods of restoring it on a server immune from NGO pressure.
Back from Hanoi.
Relax cafe : negociated a sexy girl 30 USD for ST.
Apocalypse now : 40 USD
Century Disco : 40 USD
Hi!
I will, during my holiday in Thailand, make a 10 day visit to Vietnam. I have been invited by my neighbour and his vietnamese wife, who are there to visit her family. So I guess I will spend all my time with their family, relatives and people who they know. No bars and no bargirls.
So here comes the tricky part. I have never been to Vietnam and I do not know how people (girls) think there. If I find someone attractive, how do I get an ordinary, vietnamese girl to go to bed with me? Is it possible in 10 days? I guess it is either a "normal", average, girl or nothing. Any advise?
Swedtraveller
swedtraveller,
Easy, just tell your neighbor's vietnamese wife that you want to fuck a vietnamese chick. I am sure she will find one for you. Remember, unlike Thailand, prostitution in Vietnam is illegal.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by swedtraveller
[i]Hi!
I will, during my holiday in Thailand, make a 10 day visit to Vietnam. I have been invited by my neighbour and his vietnamese wife, who are there to visit her family. So I guess I will spend all my time with their family, relatives and people who they know. No bars and no bargirls.
So here comes the tricky part. I have never been to Vietnam and I do not know how people (girls) think there. If I find someone attractive, how do I get an ordinary, vietnamese girl to go to bed with me? Is it possible in 10 days? I guess it is either a "normal", average, girl or nothing. Any advise?
Swedtraveller [/i][/QUOTE]
Just a little correction, prostitution is ALSO prohibited in Thailand !
Just back from Hanoi. This is my first time going to there.
We live in hotel in fornt of the USA chancellery. There have a night club in base floor. It's ok. One night is $80. We have escort for 2 day $150. The feeling is good.
The traffic in Hanoi was too bad.
I am currently in Hanoi and would like to report the closure of Apocolypse Now. The police closed it last week which means it could reopen any day. Relax Bar has 6-10 available girls. Will be checking out New Century and possibly the Boss Club at Fortuna Hotel. Internet connections really suck here but I would appreciate any Hanoi info or Da Nang or Hoi An info for an upcoming trip. Thanks to all who posted before me.
You might want to check out Polite Bar in the Old Quarter which is similar to AN. I hope it's not also closed. Lots of local expats hang out at R&R Tavern where you might find out what's happening in the capital or elsewhere in VN. Have fun and wish I was there!
Thanks for the info. I am on my way to Danang/Hoi An now. AN has reopened but I never made it there. Fortuna Hotel (Boss Club) is awesome but pricey. R+R is a nice place to get a drink, burger, or just hang out during the day.
Is anyone familliar with the Foreigners bars like Monaco, Polite Pub or Body guard (? not sure about the name) ? Can you find girls there, appart from foreign males drinking beer ? Relax bar seems to be less visited by working girls these days.
Thanks.
FORTUNA NIGHTCLUB : RIPP OFF **** DO NOT GO ****
Many girls in the VIP Club of Fortuna Hotel, but not easy to make your choice in the dark. At first, they all look gorgeous, but if you stay long time enough to look carefully at them, you will see that they are actually very average girls, well dressed, on high heels, with super wonderbra to enhanced their average breast. Once naked in your room, it is another story. They charge you 102 USD for ST, and let me tell you that the service I had was crap. The so called 22 years old girl (actually more 32, with one child at least) promitted to "eat me everywhere'. Actually, she hardly performed a BJ, the kind of BJ shey put their hands to hide that they fake sucking, insisting to have the condom ready on the bed... bad ambiance... She then spoke about money every 2 minutes, insisting to be paid upfront, which is against my principle, and I am glad I sticked to it. I had enough and sent her out. As you can imagine, that was not without screaming and big noise in the hotel, and intervention of the reception. Total damage for me : 52 USD.
So much for the posts which advertise "upmarket" places to get a good service. I return to my little barbershops. There, you can find real treasures, and if you have bad luck, you have just lost 5 or 10 USD.
Erik, sorry to hear about your bad experience at Fortuna. It is definitely overpriced for Vietnam and you do need to pay attention when making your choice. My experience was the complete opposite of yours. I met a beautiful lady that looked terrific back in the room and she never mentioned money. For me it was worth the extra money I paid and I would return to the club if I had the opportunity. I even enjoyed the show the girls put on the stage at the club. As the saying goes ymmv (your're mileage may vary).
Now in Hanoi for the first time, and there's plenty available here. Apocalypse Now is back open in its old location, but only stays open until midnight because of some new local ordinance. Girls usually come in between 10 and10:30. Price is highly negotiable, and sometimes there's no exchange of money at all except for cab fare.
I have not checked out the fortuna, but from what I've seen, there's no need to get into expensive territory here, and a decent dinner, some wine or beer, and a little conversation works well.
Still in Hanoi and have discovered a couple of new places. One is called Monaco, which is known to every taxi driver. It's the only place in Hanoi that stays open all night and it's where all the girls come after Apocalypse Now and the other places close. It's small and after midnight, it's extremely crowded, but you can find a lot of expatriate men (and some expat women) and loads of Vietnamese working girls.
The other late hours place is New Century, which is open until about 3 AM. It draws a mixed crod of expats, hookers, and rich young Vietnamese kids. It's large, loud, and it's jammed every night.
goodenough,
Good stuff...how much do these chicks want in Monaco or New Century g-e-n-e-r-a-l-l-y speaking? I gather some are just there with friends having fun or??? Expensive?
Happy trails!
If you want them on that evening, they will start at 50 USD for ST, but you can have them for 40 or 30. If you take their phone number and call them the next afternoon, you will have them in your minihotel room for 25 or even 20 !
I've had several chicks stay for nothing more than cab fare, others who ask for $100 and are happy to get $30, and never paid more than $40. On the other hand, I never negotiate beforehand, and I think they're pretty much happy with whatever they can get.
Went to the Fortuna hotel north of the lake a couple of nights ago. It has a "hostess" bar and there are probably about 75-100 girls, some of them really good looking. They will sit with you for about $5 per hour and drink fruit juice at $4 a pop. On the other hand, you can either go there at midnight when they get off, and deal directly or walk in, find one you like, give her your phone number and tell her to call you. It works and the price is highly negotiable. There are three or four other hotels, including the Daewoo, which have hostess bars, some of them with more women, but I haven't been there.
From everything I've seen the best place remains New Century. There are lots of women, it's open until late and no one hassles you about anything.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Erik
[i]Is anyone familliar with the Foreigners bars like Monaco, Polite Pub or Body guard (? not sure about the name) ? Can you find girls there, appart from foreign males drinking beer ? Relax bar seems to be less visited by working girls these days.
Thanks. [/i][/QUOTE]
Erik: Everyone i've seen at Monaco has been recycled from Apocalypse and typically appears after that closes at about midnight. I hadn't read your comment on Fortuna before my last post, but thanks for the warning, I assume all of the so called "hostess" bars are like that. There's a new one, across from the Hilton which I hear has stunning women but I've not been there yet and it's rumored to be pretty expensive. I did have some luck last Friday night at the Press Club. I didn't expect to get lucky there but it was a nice evening.
Dear All,
Been looking at the information about Hanoi. Does appear to be a bit sparse for action ?
Will be visiting Hanoi later in the month ? Any leads on a good hotels that are girl friendly or one where it is not too difficult to pick up a decent chick fr the hotel bar or nearby disco to bring to the hotel room.
Will appreciate any help fr the seniors. What is the going rate for a good quality chick for 2 hours ? Thanx for help.
Here I am with the latest from Hanoi. I'm typing in hurry as the Internet cafe closes at 11pm. So I've been at Apocalypse Now alone after all my friends called the night way earlier. The place is raw but effective. After a beer and 30 seconds at the counter I have been hooked by a beauty youngie and passively went from there. Negotiated $50 for the night with another girl's help as she spoke zero english, was also proposed a threesome. She collected her four comic books and we walked back to my hotel that is is very nearby (Grand). Gave 50,000 tip at the boy, no questions asked. She had that beauty pageant face with firm and sizeable firm breast but otherwise she was the common real skinny type. Better looks than skills altough she tried her best, also she blamed an headache in the morning. But, it was good and I left for a classic Hua Long Bay excursion the following morning. Gotta run now to see If some of my friends want to join me to check out Fortune or something, the night is waiting.
I don't agree that Hanoi is lacking in decent places. Apocalypse now is, admittedly a little rough, but if you go between 11 and midnight the place is packed 7 days a week. The going price for the night is $30-40 and I never negotiate until the next morning. The nicer you are to the lady, the cheaper the price, and I've had several who only wanted cab fare. This is especially possible if you let the girl know that you like her and would like to see her again. The same is true for New Century where you should go if you strike out at Apocalypse becau, se it's open until about 3 AM.
Also, it's pretty easy to meet women anywhere in the city just by talking to them and making arrangements to take them to dinner or a drink so someplace they wouldn't normally get to go such as the Press Club, Au Lac or any one of a dozen others. Hanoi may not be a brash as HCM, but it has it's own charms.
I would stay away from the Fortuna, the Daewoo and the other hotels with "hostess" bars. There are plenty of women there, and they are all available, but its expensive, you have to wait until the "hostesses" are off duty, and you have to pay for their company while they're on duty. I have an apartment here, so I don't know about the accessibility of hotels with girls in tow, but I would recommend furnished apartments to anyone staying here more than a week. They're clean, well-equipped and cost no more than a moderately-priced hotel.
Happy Chap, you may have to work slightly harder here than you would in Saigon, but it's worth it as it's not as commercial and the girls are, by and large, not as hard-edged. As to a hotel, try the Elegant II. It's in the center of everything, about a 5 minute walk from Apocalypse now and a 10 minute ride from New Century. The rooms are clean, you can negotiate a rate o about $25 per night, and you won't get any hassle.
Goodenough,
Thanx for the tip. Will take your advice. It does seem that the more expensive hotels tend to escalate everything else. Wish I had a bit more time to spend and stay in a service apartment.
Will try to locate Elegant II in the internet.
I am in the same mind as you. Saigon is easier but probably pretty spoilt over the years. I was at Metrople Hotel then, there was good action but I was tied up with other things, so I had to give it a missed. Just the massage & hankypanky. Hanoi is a bit more elegant and less damaged by commercialism. Will have to see.
If you have any good contacts for chicks, do let me know - breeze1701@hotmail.com. Will report on what I manage in Hanoi when I get there.
Hanoi part II, or about a place to avoid.
We went for a massage to some Hotel that I can't really rememeber, my masseuse was not transmitting any sexy vibe and did not delivered a very good massage neither, so I passed on the HJ she offered. It is a legit place or so I'm told. vnd 80,000 + 50,000 tip. After resting some more, my friend said he wasn't interested in Apocalypse so we head to Fortune at about 11.30. The place is fakeness at the highest level. The only situation in which I would patronize it again would be if I had to entertrain customers, being baked-up by a fat expense account. Singers are lipsynced, the furniture is cheesy and the overall atmosphere is the one of an upscale bordello. Admitted, some of the girls are very pretty and well dressed, but soft drinks at usd 6.50 sounds excessive even for wester countries.
As soon you sit the mamasan asks if you want company, of course you must buy drinks for your girl too. The take-out fee is usd 28 for all night. We picked a stunning beauty for my friend (that speaks viet) and another for me. After 30 seconds of talking my friend tells me that she doesn't want to go with me and I tought he was joking. But no, she had said some bullshit about being a virgin, later I've learned that she was worried about the size of my dick, god only knows why, me being a regular white guy. Anyway, I sent her away and we were informed about the above said house rules. I've immediately tried to negotiate a deal with the mamasan threatening the terrible effects of a bad report on this board that is read daily by bazillions of horny punters. As expected, that had zero effect and the only smartness we could come out with was to pay one barfine only and have the girl to call another friend to meet outside of the hotel. She promised that friend to be beautiful (how original) and made some vaugue gesture that hinted to sizeable breasts. Well so we sit in a taxi waiting for her, once arrived she sits right behind me and holds my hand until we get to the hotel. By the little I was able to see she was cute enough even if equipped with one of these moonlike round faces. At the hotel, we sit in my room, I approach my 'beauty' and began to realize what a dog she really was. At some point she lifts one of her pants legs showing a bulky ankle and an unshaved leg. Add this to the fact she was sexy like a piece of forniture, it was enough to decide to cut my losses and send her away with vnd 100,000. As she didn't even tried to lure me into whatever her business is supposed to be, and insisted on usd50 all the time, I would have given her even less if was not for my friend's 'generosity'. After that, in a desperate move I head for apocalypse, just to find it airtight closed at about 1 am. To add to situation, the cab driver was so slow that really got on my nerves. Once I got back at the hotel door I see the girl still there with a guy, for a moment I was a little worried, as I have been in a similar situation that ended in a street fight. But nothing happened and I went to sleep, happy that at least I didn't had to come into intimacy with such an unpleasant girl. The following day I learn from my friend that his girl (not surprisingly) was very unexperienced also and left him basically unsatisfied, for the records she didn't even wanted to do a doggie style. Well, so much for the string of bad luck or (genuine mistakes) that happened to us.
Today I'm back in HCM, have already meet my local, she rushed to my hotel with pizza, school books and an huge sexual appetite. I'm afraid that if things keep going this way I'll have no further reports from Vietnam, but you shall (should ?) read from me again when in Thailand.
Over and out (or whatever they say)
Happy Chap:
If you want a service apartment for a long or short stay, try the Hanoi Towers. The apartments are well-furnished but pricey and start at about $65 per night. However, they'll take guests for long and short term stays. I have a service apartment in a smaller building near the Apocalypse, but it's full of mostly longer-term guests. There are other service apartments out by the lake, but these are pretty far from the center of town. Forgot to mention in my email that the Relax Bar, which is a 1 minute walk from the Hanoi Towers is also a big expat hang out, as is the Spotted Cow which is not far away. Both places feature women, but the Relax is a little difficult for a short term encounter. However, you will meet a lot of expat guys who know every place there is to know in the city. I went to the New Century last Saturday around midnight and it was jammed with women. Don't think you'll have any problems. In fact last night I was stopped for the first time by a chick on a motorbike. I didn't pursue it but she was good looking.
Went to the Press Club last night to hear some live music, and heard about a bar here called "Hale's" (pronounced Holly's) which is supposedly quite good, with girls dancing on the bar, waitresses dancing in the aisles and everyone available. Will try to check it out in the next couple of days. It's out by the lake, so it's a little far from the center of town. If any of you have heard of or experienced this place, please let me know if it's worthwhile.
Also went back to New Century last night. It was absolutely packed at about 11:30 and by 12:30 it was getting a little tough to move. Have noticed that there seem to be more new faces there than at Apocalypse and for sure the girls there are more aggressive.
For those who haven't tried the place, I would recommend spending some time in the upstairs bar. It's quieter, lighter (you can see the girls better) and sooner or later everyone downstairs seems to circulate for a while upstairs as well.
Hi Everybody,
Was in Hanoi this week end and stayed at the Daewoo Hanoi Hotel.
What a nice hotel. And full of Koreans. Great food and decent pricves to my standards.
Now, the best is the Health Club.
Went there and ask for a massage. They ask me if I wanted a one hour massage and I said yes.
Went to the locker room, get undressed, went for a shower and a boy brought me a towel a short pan and a robe. Dispose of the short and put on the robe and off I went to meet my masseuse. There come a very pretty young lady probably in her 20 to 25 at max. Very cute, long hair, very nice legs, nice face, smiling. A number 8 in all meaning. I enter the room. Sher followed. She prepared the table and asked me to get undressed. I obliged and went all naked. She seems a bit shy to see all what nature, God and my mother provided me but smile at me, looked at it again that looked at my in the eyes and smiled very gently.
She deemed the light and then started to provide me with a very decent oil massage for about 1 hour. She massaged thouroughly my legs, often going up with her hands up to my balls and sometimes my shaft. I went hard and she could not notice it. I kept quiet anyway. After one our she was ending her massage by massaging my tummy. Then, very slowly, she removed the towel that she had placed on my hard bonnie and looked at it and stared at me, smiling gently again. She started to massage my balls very slowly like she was afraid to break them. Then went very slowly up to my dick and rubbed it again very slowly. Doing so she was alterning stared right into my eyer wit a very nice smile and look onto what she was doing. She then took some oil and massaged both my balls and my shaft a bit more quickly but still very gently. Then she put her left hand finger on my protate point, discovered my dick completely and started to masturbate me the way I really like. When she felt I was going to come, she went done on my face and gave my a kiss. Not a Fench one though. During the whole time she allowed me to roam over her very nice but small body. Didn;t not allow me to take her breast out though. I went up and high and she smiled at the mess I did. She continued to massaged my scortch gently for quite a long time after I came. Then she cleaned everything and washed her hands and then went to massage my shoulder to finish. She then asked me to stand up and told me it was over and that she hoped I really enjoyed it and would be very pleased massage me again if I would come back. Said her number was 9. She then took me back to the locker room and gently wave good by.
She did not eben ask for money !!!! I had just pay at the entrance the equivalent to US$20 !!!!
To be sure of the deal, I came back the next day. I requested her this time but she was out for lunch so I had to wait till 3:00 p.m. Which I did going to the sauna. By 2:45 she came back and went to see who could have requested her (does not seem so frequent). When she saw me waiting, she look quite happy and came and took me by the hand to drive me to the room. Going through the corridor, I noticed that some rooms have just a mat on the floor. A mat that can accomodate 2 persons. I ask what this was for. She said that it was for a very special massage. And that maybe next time.... I insisted to try but she refused. So we went to the same room as the day before. And guess what ? She provided the exact same service. It even seemed to be better for me. This time she really let me understood during the whjole mregular massage that I was going to be pleased, as sher intentionaly went to place her hands strategically on my balls and dicks several times in a row. She even gave me the shavering by gently scratching my legs up to my neck passing by my ass with her nice nails. She place gently her oily hands and fingers several time in my ass valey. When I turned back I was with a real bone between the legs that could hardly by hidden with the towel. She smiled at it but continued the massage. And went for the same happy ending except that this time she allowed me to French kiss her several time. But not to take her breast out. When I asked if she could give me a blow job she gently declined. When I said why she answereed : not this time. She had me come really good and then cleanerd everything.
And the same thing as the previous day as she took me back to the loocker room and hugged my goodbye. No money requested. I was stoned.
So you guess what. I came bsack the following day.
This time again, no way to discover the couch room as it was still for very special massage. But all the rest was exactly the same. I was a bit ashamed of myself to take advantage of such a good service almost for free that I gave her a very nice tip (50US$) saying that it was for her gift purchase for Moon cake festival. She looked so happyand says that it was very kind of me but that it was not necessary. She nevertheless kept the money and gave me a very nice hug and deep kiss. And drove me back to the locker room. On the way back I isisted to know what was the very special massage and its mysterous room. Then she answered that I should ask for it next time and went away.
When exiting the health club I tried to know what this could be./ Nothing special was mentioned on the board. One of the club boy told me that they could provide any type of massage upon request and that shiatsu, as well as viet massage, swedish massahe and... thai massage were available. The couch is for Thai massage.
Unfortunately,. I had to leave Hanoi by the evening so I could nmot come bavk the following day to check this one.
If any of you go and try, please post so that I do not die a perfect idiot...
Cheers to all
Wolf
Second post from Hanoi.
I had the opportunity to visit New Century club on Saturday night.
That was packed with a lot of very interesting girls, a large part being pros or semi pros. I had a cutie who just went straight on me about 3mn after my arrival and grabbed me by the waist, gave me a hug and said she would stay with me. She drove me to the bar, let me ask for a drink for me (she had her own in hands) and simply just cuddled on me for about 10mn. A fellow monger who was next to me at the bar and was receiving the same treatment from a girl he apparently alreadyt knew explained me that their way of hunting was quite peculiar and that once that either had got you in a bed once or simply just decided that she will, they were turning quite territorial and preventing you from going to other girls and more surely other girls to come to you. I moved on and let the cutioe alone. She did not look very happy but I had to make my own discoveries. I went down to the first floor and discover a lot of girls, some who did not look at all as pros (but whjo could eventually have been).
Every single one trying to make eye contact with the poor guy alone in the crowd. One very nice looking (a definite 8) but also surely a real pro and very sexy dressed went to me and said that she could go to my hotel right now and have sex with me. A bit straight forward but when you are in a hurry I guess some appreciate these type of approach. I told her I could not now as I was waiting for some friends (which was really the case). She said that she could wait gor about one hour and would not be too far from me in cade I decide to go. And she returned to her group of friends (all very nice girls) and continue to look at me every other minutes. Then my friends called and told me they were having a great time in a nice restaurant and would take more time and will head immediatly after to a KTV. So I went and meet with them. Too bad I had to leave.
But I am sure next time I shall visit again as I now know that I can find nice and decent sandwiches to bring back home.
Do not know at all about prices that could be asked for.
Any body has any clue to provide ?
How much for ST ?
How much for whole night ?
What do they provided and allow to do ?
3some possible ?
Thanks
Wolf
Wolf,
Nice reporting! Jeesh, she almost got me hard just reading about it!LOL Any other spots around? Never been to the "nam" but want to.
Happy Trails!
Guys, am visiting Hanoi later in mid-Sept for about a week. Question 1, is what's a guest friendly hotel ? I'm currently booked at the Sofitel-Metropole, and if memory serves me correctly from my last visit a year ago, the place did not seem very guest friendly. I was there only for a couple of days and had no chance to indulge. Hope to correct that this time !! Any tips on the hotels would be greatly appreciated.
Fast Freddie:
Most of the girls at the New Century will ask you for about $40 but you can bargain this down ever more as the night gets later. This is for the whole night, and most don't want to stay for only a short time. I've had several girls there not ask for anything in the morning.
I would appreciate information regarding the visa situation in Vietnam. I will be in Haikou (Hainan island), China which is so damn close that I have to make the effort, even if it would be a very short visit. Has anyone here gone from Haikou to Hanoi?
Can I get an entry visa when I arrive in Vietnam (as is possible in Cambodia)? I assume there are flights from Hanoi to Guangzhou (my next stop).
Since the PRC and Vietnam are not on great terms these days, any hassles re-entering China from Vietnam?
I would stay maybe two nights before heading back to China. What is a girl friendly hotel near New Century? I am not looking for a 5 star. Just girl friendly, well located for sanuk with safe deposit boxes for valuables. That's all.
The scene sounds great. Thanks in advance.
No problem at all to go back and forth between the two contries. Should be a Vietnamese consulate in Canton. Ask for a reentry visa. By the way, Haikou is much more sexy that Hanoi ! The girls are les pretty that the Viets, but choice larger. And girl friendly hotels are far less a problem in Haikou. For me, if I were in Haikou, it would not make sense to go just for 2 days for sex to Hanoi.
Thanks, Erik. Your advice is much appreciated, since I know you have visited and reported on so many places in China.
Here's an off topic question, have you ever had any fun in WenZhou (Zhenjiang). If not, I will just have to blaze the trail since I'll be there for two nights.
Thanks again.
Sorry, not recently. But I think it should ne an open city, sexwise. Let us know, please.
Erik, will do. Most likely on the Ningbo board as this seems closest. Thanks again for your input, I've decided to just stay in Haikou with my chums as all reports from China say it is business as usually. Just goes to show that you can't slow down a well-oiled machine.
All I read about Saigon tells me that crackdown is going on. Not a good period to go, apparently. Like Bangkok this month. Do you know if it is the same atmosphere in Hanoi at the moment ? At what time has Apocalypse Now been closing recently ? This is alusually a good barometer of the tension.
Erik:
Apocalypse has been closing at about 12:30 for the past 6 months, but there are other places (New Century and Monaco for example) which are routinely open until past 3 AM with no hassle. I don't think there's any real tension, just an attempt to put on a good face for the SEA Games. Also, just got back from HCMC and didn't notice anything out of the ordinary there either.
I was taken to a relatively new place called Nana which is primarily for Japanese and is styled more or less like a pub on the Ginza in Tokyo. It costs $50 just to get in the door, and then you need to buy a bottle of whiskey or a minimum of $130, after which you are escorted to a private, very comfortable room, surrounded by women, and encouraged to talk about whatever you want. Post-meeting arrangements can be made, it was clear, but I had no desire. I was with a client and the bill for the 3 of us was more than $300 with no food. Unless you're on an expense account or a maochist, it's a good idea to stay away.
If I remember well, Monaco is just a bar, not a disco, isnt'il ?
Girls at Apocalypse seem a bit expensive to me compared to rest of SE Asia. Had a girl who wanted $30 for a quicky. In the end I sent her off with $20 and much anger. Room cost me $10 short time, cause my hotel didn't accept guests. My advice is to mention money beforehand.
You remember correctly. However, it's also the place that a lot of the ladies from other places come after those places close down, so there's a lot of stuff happening there. I've also found lately that a lot of the ladies who go to Apocalypse and New Century hang out at the Relax Bar until 10 or 10:30, so it's not a bad place in the early part of the evening.
Just a quick update on Apocalypse. I went there a couple of nights ago for the first time in two weeks and was surprised that when I left at about 12:30, it was still booming and showed no sign of closing. I should add that this was on a Monday night, so it's not as if the place had special permission to stay open late for the week end. Maybe the rules are being relaxed again. I would also note that Relax Bar seems to be staying open later than it did when I first arrived here.
Quick impression on Hanoi.
I feel Apocalypse needs serioulsy to renew its talents. It is all the same girls I have seen for years, in their 30 et 40 by now, very chicky and professionnal, with 1 or 2 kids each. Situation a bit better in New Century, but same danger threatens. Seems the nicer chicks head to Ho Chi Minh City preferably. I wonder why, they are highly needed in Hanoi.
Although I have discovered that Viet girls lie even better than Thai ones. At least, when you ask a Thai if she has had kids, she will tell the truth. A Viet girl can perfectly answer "no", and then you discover in your room that she has lied and she has a awful body. So what do you do in the case ?
Your opinions are welcome.
Erik, I've never been in Hanoi but my notes tell me about "Relax bar" and "Spotted Cow"...which is supposedly a 1 minute walk from Hanoi Towers? And also a place called "Hales" or pronounced "Holly".......have you checked out these places or others...let me know! Just trying to help you out! ;) Happy poking!
No, sorry, I forgot to check out these places.
Relax Bar is about 1 minute walk from Hanoi Tower. It's an ex-pat pub with lovely waitresses who, for the most part, do not double as hookers and who require some serious attention before they will sleep with you. The bar also attracts a couple of pros every night who typically go there before going to Apocalypse Now. All in all, it's a good place to drink but not a great place to pick up women.
The Spotted Cow is much the same, largely crammed full of Brits and, like Relax, attracts a few hookers every night. It's fairly small, and it gets pretty noisy.
The walk from the Hanoi Tower to Relax Bar is interesting, as a lot of free lance hookers, on motor bikes and on foot patrol this area. They typically congregate just outside the entrance to Relax Bar.
Hi guys,
I will be making my first trip to Hanoi this week on company business, having been to Saigon about two years ago.
Just wondering about the Fortuna Hotel, about its standard and if it is a good place to stay during the visit and any spots where I can pick up chicks nearby. Heard there is a karaoke lounge in the hotel, but i'm not really into karaoke. Where else in the area can I go and roughly how much am I expected to fork out?
What is the current situation there, given the police checks that I read in the other posts?
Also heard about these places in Vietnam, not sure if they are in Hanoi, where they are basically pool parlours but you get girls servicing you at the same time. Did not find any in Saigon when I was there.
Really would appreciate any help I can get, and will keep the group posted on any details that I find.
My advice would be to stay away from the Fortuna. The service is lousy as is the food and the prices, by Hanoi standards, are outrageous. If you want a good five star stay nearer the center. The Hilton and the Metropole are both good choices. There is a "hostess" bar in the Fortuna, but it's expensive, the bar fines are huge and the girls just ordinary, though you can avoid the bar fines by giving them a phone number and making outside arrangements.
Hi guys
i'll be in Ha Noi this coming 10/01/04 VN, are the any board members in HN right now, mayble we can meet up for a beer or a cup of coffee? This is my first time in HN alone, i was borned in SaiGon, but still speaks the language, will stay in HN and Ha Long Bay for about two weeks, any thing that i can do for fun like p4p: bars, disco, hot toc, massage .ect. Thanks
Massage place right in front of the Hilton Hanoi Opera that provides HJ. Gave 200K tip, 80K for 1.5 hr massage. And the massage was great. Is there any FS at the MPs in Vietnam?
Please stay in Tokyo never to return to VN! You vastly overpaid which continues to ruin the local scene. The going rate for a massage may be 60-80K in Hanoi but 200K for a tip for simple HJ is 3-4 times appropriate tip. I would never tell anyone ruining the scene where to get FS in VN. But in case you ever find it the max tip for FS is 200K and it can easily be gotten at many venues which outside the city centre for as little as 30-60K tip! Sorry for maybe a harsh tone but VN is not Tokyo or even Thailand in its standard of living and therefore outsiders should become aware of the REAL price structure and not be so naive.
I lived in Hanoi for four years and there is more to Hanoi then just Apocalypse, Monaco or New Century.
The Hanoi Hotel is a good place to start. The massage there is probably the best in town. Six months ago 16 US$ got you 2 hours. The place is clean. Sauna and steam room, great shower and the linen is fresh. You can relax and have a beer before the massage and watch a bit of TV. Beer is around three US $. You choose the girl at the entrance when the receptionist gives you a locker number. Actually there is a bunch of numbers on a board and the top ones are the available girls. Go there around two or three in the afternoon and most of the girls are free. The place gets busy after six and goes on until past midnight. If you decide to stay in the hotel, you can even order the girls up to your room for thirty dollars an hour plus the fee for the girl. Never done it so I donft know what the rate is.
Not all the girls are great but they all will give you the full massage for twenty US donft pay more. I like to be straightforward and itfs the first thing I negotiate with the girl when I get in the room. Usually you can play with then a bit but they have some tough uniform to get into. Have fun!
Quang Ba district: The best map of Hanoi I found on the net is at the following address: http://www.hau.edu.vn/apsa2003/Hanoi_map.htm. You will need it to get there. Quang Ba is the red light district of Hanoi with a lot of brothels. It is very, very local! Only the adventurous should go there and never with a three-piece suite on! I also would not recommend it past 6 pm. Go there in the afternoon and remove the fear factor. I never had any troubles there because I went there between three and five. Get in any taxi in town but not from the large hotels. Mailing Taxi Company seems to be the best with the best drivers. Just tell them Quang Ba and off you go. It is to the left of the New Sofitel Plaza. From downtown it takes about fifteen minutes. On the way just tell the driver that you want gMadam Boom-Boomh when you get there in front of somm houses there will be guys sitting outside on chairs. Stop the taxi and go to the nearest guy. He will take you in the house. Usually you will be asked if you want a beer and then you will be taken up to a room. It's not five stars but usually decent. Then the girls will be shown to you. Price again six months ago was 350 thousand Dong.
True enough Fortuna, Hanoi Hotel KTV or Daewoo are too expensive but the girls can be good. Be careful with the girls from Apocalypse and New Century, they will steal anything they can, donft leave them alone!
Now if you have a few days to spare, you should get out of town and go to Do Son, a small seaside resort 20k from Haiphong. Web Site info: http://www.calle.com/world/VM/13/Do_Son.html
Go to the Do Son Hotel at the end of the road. Room 100 000 Dong, Short time girl, 80 000 Dong and 200 000 Dong overnight. Food there is cheap but good and the rooms are clean but small. This small hotel caters to all the Vietnamese men that go there for a sexy week end. No TV, No Radio, no phone in the rooms and nothing much to do except eat drink sleep and make love. The girls are not the best but for the price you can not expect models. Send them back if you don't like them. Usually Vietnamese guys go there and just pick one. I like to get there in the early afternoon and take two before dinner, one for dessert and one for overnight. Look at the guy's face when you check out and he prepares the bill for you. He will give you thumbs up and tell you: You very strong.
Thanks Michel for your seasoned Hanoi perspective. I agree that Quang Ba out on the shores of West Lake is definitely not for the uninitiated. I always went went there in the afternoon and got out before dark. Not that it's necessarily dangerous but the male touts/pimps/mafioso are big time assholes. I always try to avoid the scum and the less around the better. My pricing experience was this: House (often a brothel karaoke got 60000d for one hour of 'hot' or entertainment room fee) and the girls tip was around 50000d HJ, around 100000 BJ and around 150000 FS. Sometimes the touts have you presented a bill with double or triple the 'hot' fee which had me nearly coming to fisticuffs a few times before compromise. As usual, they lost my future biz and I just found a better place with exclusive female or at least trustworthly male management. Local VNese guys would surely consider the tips I quote high since they get FS for 30000-60000d at various cafe tam on the outskirts of southwest Hanoi - I've gotten that price range too with negotiation. I also agree about the relaxing beach resort of Do Son and Hai Phong area has some very stunning beauties if you put in the effort to find them.
thanks asiaphile!
one more area that has women roaming is around the front of the hilton. as you walk out of the hilton make a left on the road and just walk slowly around 8 or 9pm. make a left again at the end of the street.women on motorcycles will stop by and ask you if you are interested. prices are cheap but the girls don't look all that good. never tried it but came close. they tell you that they have a hotel and can take you there on their bike.
in the same area, as you walk out of the hilton make a right this time and then at the intersection a left. stay on the right side of the road. you will arrive at a small square where ladies are sitting on benches or walking around. these are very local and not so clean, i saw one taking a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] in the grass, she just pulled up a dress and let go. not the most inviting thing unless you'r into [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord101][CodeWord101][/url].
Shortly I will stay at the Hilton.
Any bar or disco there, where you can arrange meeting in your room upstairs?
Thanks in advance for your replies.
A question to Michel: from your report I understand that Hanoi Hotel massage is just a massage, or something more may happen?
Asiaphile,
Sorry for the rookie mistake. I definately don't want to ruin the local scene for you guys.
As for the Hilton massage, the woman I had offered a HJ, but she was very unattractive (face maybe 2, body 5) and she asked for $30 USD tip so I declined. I'm sure that she would have come down in price, but the massage itself I think is 18-20 USD for one hour. Very good massage though.
I'll be back in Hanoi in a month time or so, and will make sure that 80K tip for HJ is the max I pay. I just want to clarify that this is about $5 USD?
Albert,
Hanoi Hotel massage and more! for sure! Just tell them straight what you want and you will get it except FS but great BBBJ and HJ for about 200 000 Dong no more then that! As for the Hilton no Disco you need to get out of the Hilton and either to Apocalypse or New Century. Be back to your hotel before Eleven or security will not let you in with the girl!
Good Luck!
Lately Hanoi had really pissed me off a bit. The good news first. The Hanoian girls can be stunningly fair-skinned beautiful, generally taller, big bosomed, cultured, educated, less greedly than southern sisters, blah blah, (remember Suzy Wong's which is gone for a couple of years now anyone!). The aforementioned places, AN, NC and M have sadly declined and may as well close down although I doubt it since the owners have the connections or are owned by high level SRV officials. I hate to say it but for all it's faults (bizarre come and go crackdowns, street mafia BS), etc. HCM City is overall wayyyy better IF YOU KNOW THE INSIDE SECRETS OF THE EXOCIC PLAYING FIELD THAT IS THE EXTENDED NORTH/SOUTH DRAGON... Any expat or traveler who wants to discuss in confidence can contact me as I am becoming ever more paranoid about any wide-open internet discussion of nightlife secrets in Vietnam. I have around a dozen years experience all over the country so my perspective is very seasoned and unfortunately a bit jaded as well. Still, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE VIETNAM!
Asiaphile, are you still based in VN? I'm headed back to HCMC and can always use your advice. I've been in and out for years but never mongered.
Thanks, bro.
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Bad luck in Hanoi.
I was there only for a couple of days so, basing on your suggestions, I wanted to try Fortuna Hotel hostess bar and Hanoi Hotel massage.
Went to Fortuna, found the bar with live music and many girls around. However, I was unable to pick a girl. Maybe I did not understand how the system works there.
Normally in such places, you are almost assaulted by girls. Maybe there girls are discrete and wait you to make first move. Which I tried to do with 4 or 5 cuties who passed by me, smiling at them and saying "hallo, how are you". Nothing happened, they did not stop. Only girl available to talk to me, only knew "my name is", "what is your name", "where are you from". That's all.
If my memory serves me well, in Italian Fortuna means good luck.
Day after I had flight in the late afternoon. I managed to finish the business in the morning in order to hit at Hanoi Hotel massage. Well, I went there and I discovered that massage parlour is under renovation !
I really regret it was not possible to experiment some Vietnamese as they look very nice.
Hopefully next time will go better.
Hello everyone!
I am glad to have found you at last because I need serious advice, I guess!
I spent the past two summers in northern Vietnam, travelling around and of course I was stunned by the girls there. To be honest I've never hired a hooker but I am really eager to.
In Hanoi, I went through several near to fuck (!) experiences, if I may say.
Hanging around Hoam Kiem Lake one evening, I noticed a westerner who was negociating real hard with a guy to get a girl but I could hear he was not so comfortable with going to somewhere he didn't know. He accompanied the hooker eventually.
Shortly after, a guy sat next to me and started to say that he was gay, then, seeing I wasn't into that business, he offered me to find a girl for me ( the deal was "officially" 2 hours for 30 dollars) after some talking, I didn't take the step because I was afraid of possible traps and hassle.
Later on, during my stay there, I went to a barber shop where I had a massage with two girls wanking me, and they accepted getting undressed and touched. I had discussed the price beforehand and all went perfectly. When we were finish, the two girls became real mad! One of them held me like a professional wresling competitor with her legs begging for more money, and wouldn't let me go!
Luckily enough I had not brought much with me and I had hidden the big notes in my shoes! But they eventually ripped me off the little money I had in my wallet! (I can't remember how much that was, but not much).
So, here I come, not deterred at all. I am going back there in a month, and though I extensively read the pages of this site, I'd like to get further advice for a rookie like me. Are there places safer than others in Hanoi for a beginner like me? Or tips to avoid some annoyances?
Any tip would be welcome.
Waiting for your enlightening answers.
Seventh Sky
PS: I had a fantastic experience in Cao Bang though. See my report in "other areas", if you are interested.
Hanoi Report:
Just an update on the situation in Hanoi from a recent visit.
Out of Apolcalypse, New Century and Monaco, I fould the best selection in New Century. Pulled out of there on 2/3 nights for $30 ST. Apocalypse talent was a tad too old for my taste, some even pushing 40, but most 30+. Monaco was dead, but it may have been early. Absolutely zero in Relax Bar at 8pm.
Daewoo Hotel: Tried the sauna. Nice hardware, but the girl did not even get close to a HJ during a pretty good massage. She ended up calling in an "older" more experienced girl for a quick HJ for 10$ when I finally showed interest towards the end of the session. On the other hand, the talent in the nightclub (Club Q)
attached to the hotel is phenomenal. Absolute stunners. I paid 100$ LT, but it was worth every penny.
Quang Ba: Took the advise and went late afternoon. Complete waste of VND100k taxi fare from hotel and back. They tried to rip me off in every place I went. Started quoting VND500k ST. Finally agreed for 20US$, for a 4-5 in one place with the papasan. When the girl closed the door, she asked for more money immediately. I bolted. Not recommended.
Stopped in a small town about half hour from Hanoi. I wish I could remember the name. A small resort hotel built like a Chinese temple, with girls for 20$ ST including the room. The best value and close to a GFE. Does anybody know the place?
OAH
I'm a semi-retired bloke (50 years old) thinking about moving to either China (Kunming or Chongqing) or Vietnam (Hanoi) to live. I'd love to have your opinions about the relative merits of each place. My priorities are:
1) Easy access to inexpensive girls whenever I feel like it, and possibility of having actual girlfriend considerably younger than me.
2) Low cost of living. Rent a decent apartment for USD $100-200, as one can in Thailand.
3) Safe to walk the streets.
4) Pretty city with lots of trees and parks
5) No government hassles about staying a long time, easy visa extensions.
6) Easy and inexpensive internet access, preferably cable internet.
7) Wholesome vegetables and fruits available without a lot of chemical contamination. Lots of tofu because I don't eat meat.
I previously lived in Thailand but left because that country became less tourist-friendly, and I started to realize that I like whiter skinned Viet or Chinese girls better than Thais.
Also, which language do you think is easier to learn? I would assume Vietnamese is much easier, because it uses the western alphabet.
I am from the US, and don't want to be killed by anyone who is angry about what my government did to Vietnam. Is this a problem?
Thanks for your thoughts. Also, please suggest other cities or towns if you think there are better places than Kunming, Chongqing and Hanoi.
With all due respect, I suggest you take at least ONE nice long trip to VN before you consider moving there - and the same for S.W. China if you have not been yet.
Some of your questions reveal suprising naivete for an experienced expat - such as, "will I get killed," "is it safe to walk the streets," "is there easy and inexpensive internet access," etc.
I'll answer the last one since the first two are rather absurd unless you're maybe run over by a drunk moto boy. VND 3000/hr for internet access is pretty much the going rate.
Maybe you would have liked living in Northern Thailand (Chiang Mai, Chiang Rai, Mae Sai) where the girls are majority your type - fair skinned beauties - with a real Thailand experience as opposed just hanging out in Bangkok, Pattaya, Phuket, etc.
Lastly, even though the VNese use a type of Latin alphabet, Chinese Mandarin is a bit easier to master for most westerners. Probably only a tiny fraction of the expats living in either country make a serious attempt to become fluent with either rather hard to speak language.
You'll learn way more on the ground than words can guide you here - and knowledge is power.
Mr. Reggie P,
Not going to recommend you to either places. As Asiaphile mentioned, you should tour the places you wish to live in. Maybe hang around for a month or 2. Try to blend and you'll probably find out which place is more suitable for you.
This is according to my personal opinion (please note that I have only been in Vietnam for 1.5 years, and China = 0 years)
Vietnam
Cleaniness = Cleaner than some countries I have been to.
Food = Not as cheap as China, but still darn cheap (this applies to market groceries, restaurants are cheap too, but I am not sure if it is cheaper than China)
Getting killed = Not unless you are a stupid fark and run around saying things that offends people, you'll probably be killed in ANYWHERE you go. As long as you are street smart, don't bad mouth people, you should be fine. Vietnam is one of the safest places I have been to. The motorcycles are a ****.
Girls = Presuming that I am amateur in this area, girls that can be picked up are everywhere (depending if you have what it takes, language skills, money, etc). It can be easy, it can be hard. But for $$ girls, HJ girls are everywhere. BJ girls are usually FJ girls, and they can be found relatively easy too, depending on your requirements.
China
Cleaniness = About the same as Vietnam (but I've not been to the place you mentioned, so I have no clue really)
Food = Dirt cheap, according to friends
Getting killed = please refer to the vietnam comments. Take it easy, play safe, don't wear jewelry like a christmas tree, you should be good.
Girls = Way more clueless than Vietnam (me I mean). I've been in and out of China (business mainly) and have absolutely no idea watsoever, as to where to get some (of course there are heaps of help here in WSG, but I'm just pretty densed). Anyway, according to friends, chinese girls are quite commercial, money is usually the main goal. Devious too, then again Vietnamese girls can be too, but at least most Vietnamese girls seem honest enough.
Remember though, these are MY opinions, you really should find out yourself. Renting an apartment is very easy in Vietnam. You can even stay in a hotel (local Vietnamese hotel) for around USD15/day. That will give you a clean bed, room, TV, mini-fridge and bathroom. You can even try to negotiate for a cheaper price, if you are going to stay for a month or so. Street name = Pham Ngu Lao, pronouced "Farm nooo loud", the "nooo" is pronouce less a cow moo, and "loud" is pronouce without the "d". (back packers area, heaps of foreigners, that should make you feel more comfy to begin with).
Again, China, no clue.
Reggie,
AFAIK, both Vietnam and China are cheap to get girls/women. To me (as a Viet expat) I think China is a bit more expensive but easier to find girls. There are plenty of houses with extra room for rent in the budget you mentioned. For fruits and vegetable or food in general, you must decide it yourself since these poor people can do whatever to maximize their profits. Hey! who knows as your body may develop a level of resistance never heard of before after eating these suspicious foods! If you are afraid and not sure then stay home (US) and play choke the chicken which is much cheaper.
Thanks for the replies. Actually, I have been to Kunming, but not any of the other cities. Did not have a chance to check out action in Kunming, though. I did live in Chiang Mai, it's largely a myth that the girls there are white like Chinese and Viets. Maybe some of them are whiter than Southern Thai girls, but it's not a very noticeable difference. As I mentioned, for a variety of reasons I don't think Thailand is for me anymore.
Some people have opined that Americans can get in trouble in VN because of lingering memories, that's why I asked. Also that VN streets in general are not as safe as in Thailand or Laos or China.
What are FJ girls? Can you get cheap action in VN? Like, I mean, 10-20 USD? Can you still get BJs for even less than that? Are police crackdowns a regular occurrence?
Well, actually in Chiang Mai I found a very nice hotel (not guest house) where I stayed long term on a lease and it worked out to about USD $100-120 a month. Can you find something like that in Hanoi?
Thanks again
Dude (Reg.P),
Gonna try to help you out, to the best that I can (not that it is much), you will get much better information from the grandmasters in here.
War - long gone, long over, long forgotten (at least for most of the younger generation). Look, though I am not Viet (the nick is for picking up), and I haven't been in Viet for long. The overall vietnamese that I come across, they are more interested in making $$ off everyone else (including viet towards viet), no one really cares for that damn war. Its more of a money war now. (Mind you, all these comments are for HCM, Hanoi I have no clue).
Anyway just to increase a bit more of your Vietnam knowledge. HCM (saigon) is more of a business state. Its very much more commercial compared to Hanoi. And way bigger than Hanoi. Hanoi on the other hand is basically the "government state". Most of the head government officials are located in Hanoi.
Girls - which now brings us to the girls. (Again I stress, I'm no expert, cause I am having trouble finding pros myself... due to the situation I am in, but we'll not go into that). With what most friends tell me, Hanoi is actually easier to find pros (strange). But I can be wrong, cause I just don't know where to find them, full stop. Now if you are going to learn some vietn and, be mingling with the local crowd. You will find your "cheap" *****s. Hanoi seems to be cheaper too. But HCM, is ultimately bigger, so personally, I kinda like HCM more. Hanoi is just a cheap flight away anyway. Police crack down, happens, but nothing a USD20 can't get you out off, its like in LA, you hear them all the time, but you are never there. Don't worry too much, unless you go everyday, party every night at the most dodgey places, you will be fine. And in regards to the USD10-20 *****s, I am sure the locals are paying it, and again some grandmasters in here, but I don't know where to get them (good quality chicks I mean, low quality chicks are everywhere for USD10). Remember the street I told you before? (Pham Ngu Lao), plenty of them there during the night.
Lodging - Not sure if you can really find place within the USD100 range in Hanoi, but I do know that in HCM, you can rent a "local hotel room", much bigger than most "5 start hotels", just without the luxuries, business centers, room service, bar... you will have the basics, TV (no cable though), nice double bed (steady enough for some serious rocking), clothing cabinet, air-conditioning and working table. Price ranges from USD250-350/month (this is calculated from daily rate, you might get a better discount, if you rent monthly. There are USD100-200 ranges too (even lower actually), depending on the conditions you want.
That's about all I know buddy. FYI (for your information), FJ = Fark Jobs, BJ = Blow Jobs, HJ = Hand Jobs, you get the rest.
Thanks. Great info.
Well, I guess I'll have to go investigate both places, which shouldn't be too hard, they're not far from each other. One thing I'm a bit worried about is that I've read that vegetables and fruit are pretty contaminated by chemicals in China; I don't know about VN, but I've heard that the VNese people have lots of the chemicals the US saturated the country with in their bodies. Double plus ungood. And I wonder how contaminated the food is there?
Thanks again.
I have just been searching the web and mostly I'm finding that a tourist visa is good for just 30 days, though you can get a multiple entry visa for 6 months but each stay can be just 30 days. And extensions are 20 days for $25. Is this info correct? Is there a way a tourist can stay in VNam without having to leave so often and pay for extensions? Thanks.
Reggie P
The visa say for 30 days, but it actually expired in 90 days, that what i understood. I just came back from VN a couple months ago, I asked for 30 days stay, which was from 01/08/04 to 02/08/04, but the visa expired was 04/08/04. I did check with a local official, because i extented my fly for 3 more day, he said i need a extensions if i want to stay more than the expiration date. But you can always get a 6 months visa which is cost you more $$. I'm Viet Kieu(Vietnamese living aboard) don't know is there a special treats for Viet Kieu or not. You can always get the resident visa up to 3 years, and you have to renewal every 3 years, check with the Vietnamese embassy to find out more. good luck!
Visa lengths and various immigration options in Viet Nam (like all countries) are tied mostly to nationality. Japanese are treated differently than EU's, Taiwanese different than Canadians, etc. Prefered ASEAN members (like VN) different than all the rest.
Please stop assuming everyone here is a sacred (or is it scared!) US citizen or cares about repeated, boring non-mongering info that's easily searched elsewhere.
Back to the reason there is a WSG and a LP, WHO, etc. - for all the other nonsense. (that's Lonely Planet, World Health Org:)
Reggie P:
The streets of Hanoi are the safest I have ever walked. Much safer than Thailand, the Philippines and any other place I've ever been. There's very little street crime in Hanoi, no hand guns, and a very vigilant police force. There is no animosity whatsoever toward Americans. In fact, it's just the opposite. Most Viets I met during my six month stay viewed the "American" war as just another obstacle to be overcome in the country's 1,000 year struggle to be free and united.
I do not know China well enough to comment on it in light of your criteria, but Hanoi meets them all.
Girls are quite easy to find in Hanoi and HCM, and there are numerous clubs, coffee houses, discos, and other places to meet a pretty broad range of women. I would advise you to relax, have a good time, enjoy the food and the rich and varied culture.
GE
Yes, I will search those other boards for visa info. You're right, it's not necessary here. Thanks, guys. This will be a tough choice. Maybe I will go to both places. Fact is, I know I really like Chinese girls (I mean the way they look, they get demerits for other things), but then I've had practically no experience with Viet girls, so it's a mystery still.
People, need some assistance here.
Just read through the Hanoi reports, and notice that there aren't any "actual" info on short time places in Hanoi. Might be flying up sometime this week. Staying at Melia Hanoi Hotel (company paid, therefore don't really have a choice).
Basically, anyone know any places for "short time"? And what are the price range? Don't want to jack up the prices or get ripped off.
Extra Info: Stayed at Fortuna a while back ago. Called for a room massage (now that I think about it, strange how room massage is allowed), anyway can't say the massage girl was 10/10 in the looks department (more like a 6/10), but she farked me silly. Of course she asked for more than USD50 (for short time), which I read in these repots, is a bloody ripper. End up only giving jack sheet.
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Thanks in advance
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I will be there (Hanoi at the Harrison Hotel) from the 19th on for 10 days with a buddy who know the scene. He tells me there are a number of excellent places with lots of fantastic women (9 and 10s Plus). He says the price is $50 US for the girl, Long Time, and $20 to $30 for the Moma, who runs the girls, I think one of the best places is in the Hannoi hotel.
He and I have mongered around the world, Australia, NewZeland, all across Asia, Japan, China, most of Europe, let alone North America... He knows the ropes, and I trust his judgement, so we are vacationing in what he calls the best and most perfect and last of the good mongering locations left in the world.
I too have scoured the Hanoi posts and not seen much, but I trust his experience.
More to update when I return.
Lance Toronto
Anyone (and there are way too many nowadays) paying ONE MILLION DONG to get pussy anywhere in VN shows they are damn serious fools, showoffs and ruining the scene! The going rate is as low as 30000d tip and 30000d mama fee at various venues in the suburbs and outskirts of Hanoi. Numerous cat toc (barbershops) in town provide service with a happy ending for around 80000d total. Hundreds and hundreds of these superb Hanoian lovelies are providing sexual services everyday for the local population with very few clueless tay (westerners) around - luckily! For god sakes, the official GDP annual income is average US$500 for all VN and only slightly higher for the captial. I am sick and tired of hearing about silly foreigners (Nips, Yanks, etc.) throwing $50-$75-$100 so senslessly at these fast being spoiled rotten VNese girls. Get a clue about the real VN or get out and don't cum back!
Asiaphile,
As someone who is not Vietnamese but has been traveling-living in Vietnam for almost 10 years, all I say is that you get what you pay for. If you want a stunning and beautiful girl under 25 who can speak pretty good English, she will not be 80000 dong. You seem to like to go for the dogs, which is your choice. But I for one am getting a little tired of you putting everyone down including the Viet girls. Maybe you should stay out of Vietnam.
MrMeyers,
Well said MrMeyers! I agreed with you 100%. I've been to VN several times and I must said a 1,000,000d was the average I paid for a couple hours with the girls. So any one paid 80,000 for a FS must have bang a dog or something similar!
Well then how much do you pay Mr. Know It All? There's sure a helluva difference between a mil dong and 80000d. Blind foreigners who pay anywhere near the former simply do not know much of anything about the real VN and are obviously ignorant of its incredible nightlife diversity. Since this is the Hanoi section I can talk about my broad experience throughout the country since '91:
There are hundreds of gorgeous young girls (mostly mid-to-late teens and I stick w/at least 18-19) in the capital outskirts and nearby provinces for the later price or near it. The reason there are less available at the VN standard price in the big city is strong anti-vice police pressure, higher property values, code restrictions and fear of being seen by friends, neighbors, etc. (both local punter and provider). But there are still plenty of nice ones available in the city at far less than the ridiculous prices being quoted $100-$75-$50. I had a lovely Viet-den a couple of months ago at an outlying cafe tam who was 100000d total and she was very happy since I paid her near double tip what locals pay. I cannot not let stand anyone telling me that $100 (over 1.5 mil dong!) is an acceptable price in VN - that's a joke in a country with a GDP annual income of less than $500! Just stay in Sillypore, HKG, etc. where that may well be the standard price for top quality - but not in a country with the third world living standard of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam.
Come on guys, all of you are right.
For foreigners, 1M up to $100 US a pop is anorm.
For people who knows the scene and places, a FS can be had for $50000.
I used to stay in Vn and the price I paid for stunning, young and most important tight and juicy was $150,000 to $200,000. That's for everything and I know the girl only get $80,000. So, if you can get those girls out to go to your place (appointment), that's a legit price (year 2000). I had service from those so-called high price at night time who works in the club and worked in the brothels at day time for just 1/10 of what they got from foreign customers.
Besides those young and can speak fluent English, any of those girls will have different price depends on who you are and where is the place.
If you know where to look, you can have a nice young girl all night for just merely $20-$30 US.
Peace and write report.
Asiaphile Dude,
I would have to take side with MrMeyers; your attitude of putting down the fellow mongers here is getting old and non-constructive. There are number of factors which are worth to mentioned and considered, in regards to judge and make comments on the other individuals; especially, the foreigners who cannot speak the language, mongering activities.
With respect to my personal case, I have traveled SE-Asia in the past 10+ years; mostly business relates. I have had the opportunity to explore the variety of available mongering scenes, in VN. In regards to the utmost standard 80,000 dong for the happy ending service ( BJ ) in those shabby, filthy BBS for the local population, of yours. Have been there and sample it. Thanks, but no thanks. Relax and sit tight, dude! I do not believe that many of the clueless Westerners will be hook with those “quality services” of yours to ruin it, once having a chance to experiment with.
I do concur with you that “ This forum (VN) is rather weak, the general downward drift in quality for whatever reason, made up of too much flaming, etc. “ , from your previous 8/23/03 post. But, take a closer look and notice that frequently the similar $%*&@ attitude like yours towards the others at these VN threads would speak for itself, isn’t it ? For whatever the reason, if you cannot or do not want to openly contribute your valuable opinion/knowledge, as it has shown through yours previous posts. Then, be civilized at least to allow the others; especially the newbies, have the courage to freely share their good & bad experiences, which would be somewhat benefit to our fellow mongers of this thread.
My 2 cents worth! Gosh, I hate myself to doing this.
Lance Toronto,
The LT with the under 25 yrs., 9-10 scale Vietnamese beauty, at US$50. Happy for you to have such connection, pal. Do not forget to fill the FR, afterward.
You get what you paid for and that's the international standard regardless of where you are hunting and your background. If you prefer girls from country side or poor areas of VN then I can understand why $10 or 15$ FS is possible. Maybe your taste of a WOMAN is different compare to the rest of us mongers. Enough said.
Gentlemen,
"You get what you pay for." After 25 years mongering in SE Asia, I have to say this is not always the case. There are exceptions to every rule. For example, on a recent trip to Hanoi, I sampled at $20, $30, $100. From a service standpoint, I have to say there was not much difference. From an appearance standpoint, the $100 was only slightly better looking than the $20. The $30 ones were only average looking. Having said that, generally speaking, the higher the price the better the looks, but usually the lower the service quality in my experience. The cheaper, less attractive, ones seem to try harder to please.
In any case, there is no sense in flaming any fellow mongers for paying too much. By sharing info on this forum, they will learn to sharpen their negotiation skills.
Just my POV
OAH
As a frequent traveller to China and Taipei I'd agree with Asianphile that paying $100 for a pop in VN is indeed stupid. In hotel like Golden Palace in Donguan you can have a 15 min hot sauna, a massage for 15 min, your asshole being licked by a beautiful young girl of 18 for 15 min, tongue bath for 15 min, then fuck her in different positions for another 15 min, then enjoy another 30 min massage - the total cost is 638 rmb or roughly $80. In Shenzhen you can get a beautiful girl who lives in flats next to a hotel for $300 to $400 rmb for 1 pop. In Shanghai, the cost should not be more than $500 rmb for non-chinese speaking folk like me.
Think about national GNP as you mongers go hunting in these countries. You are spoiling the prostitutes and make us suffer thanks to your stupidity. In general, a pop cost $50 in DongGuan China should only costs $25 as VN's GDP is only about 1/2 of China's ($2300 vs. 4700).
Just a reminder that this is Hanoi, Vietnam. Write your post about China else where.
Everyone's budget is different. Some stay in Vietnam a month max and others stay as long as nine months! The "nine months" people are 99.9% unemployed and therefore, they are on a very tight budget while staying and mongering in Vietnam. The local Vnese folks even look down on these type of Viet Kieu because they know that these VK are unproductive and useless of which ever country that they are from abroad.
The bottom line is that; if you don't have the money to play then stay out of Vietnam and do your mongering elsewhere that fit your current budget!
Sexmania,
The purpose of bringing China mongering activities is for comparision., no more no less. Everyone has his/her own opinion and Asianphile's or mine may be different than yours but it doesn't mean we or you are wrong.
If you have money to burn you can burn it anywhere and anytime. VN is only a place for mongering like others and you should feel proud of yourself for helping these poor prostitutes with your money. A lot of us have enough money but we don't burn it blindly. Does it mean we are cheap? Probably! But this doesn't neccessarily mean we should stay out of a poor country like VN. I had chance to get bar girls (ca ve) in Maxim bar when I was in my teens in 1974/1975. At the time, cost of getting them for 1 night was only couple bucks (US). One pop in Tan Binh was only $1 or less. Of course we can't compare it now and then but the truth is that getting prostitutes in VN is still cheap and no one can say "spend more" because one has more money to burn than the others.
James Tran,
Please forgive me for not knowing that you're old and over the hill type of member here. I thought that you are still in your 30's like myself.
I have wasted my time here. Good luck to you.
Best regards.
Hello Fellow Forum Members!
I will be going to Hanoi soon
I have about 3 days in Hanoi and and about a week in a place near by to Hanoi
Whilst in Hanoi, I will be staying at Sheraton Hanoi. What is the scene in this hotel as far as p4p is concerned?
Any help for definitive contacts in Hanoi would be much appreciated.
Regards
Sylvan
Vietnam women are stunners. In comparison Thai and Cambodge look like humpty dumpty
Not difficult to chat up a college girl who will be our tour guide and girlfirend. They are not only stunning but also innocent. don't insult the college girls by offering them money. Buy them gifts.
If you're looking for quick pickups, the bestplace to pick up a pro in my exp. is the Fortuna Hotel's disco (basement)
You walk into a bloody buffet of Tits & Ass thats to die for. The drinks and dances are cheap. The dress slutty. Under those lights their skin glows like floursecent fish in a tank. You'll spend about $20 max for the squuezes, drinks and dances. You can't spend more unless you're an idiot.
If you want to take her out, the girl will cost about $50, not for the night but till you've emptied your balls many times over.
The five star hotels like Melia and Hilton are superb. Not too guest friendly but not impossible.
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MangoJangous:
The women in Vietnam are wonderful, and I think they are probably the best looking in Asia. I don't like the Fortuna much as every time I'm there I feel like the place is trying the hustle me out of every last dime. There are so many other places where you do not have to pay any fines, buy any drinks, or be subject to any prodding that I avoid the Fortuna now. I prefer the New Century and Apocalypse Now, though I've also picked up women in regular restaurants and bars. For the latter , I never had to pay but, as you said, bought some inexpensive gifts that were much appreciated.
James Tran,
I also remember the old days (circa 1990), though not as far back as you I paid $5 ST in HCMC/Hanoi and only $2 in Vung Tau. Funny thing was, even then, the girls in the better places were still getting 50$ LT in those days.
OAH
Guys,
I'm going to be in Hanoi tomorrow for a couple days. Anyone want to join me in exploring Quang Ba? For those of you who need help with a Vietnamese translator, I speak Viet very well. Just PM me.
Hi fellow mongers,
I'm planning my trip to Vietnam, next August, and my first stop will be in Hanoi. I was able to find enough information about HCMC but not so much about Hanoi, mainly regarding accomodation.
I would like to find a girlfriendly Hotel, I'm looking for a cheap hotel (in the 10-20 US$ range, I hope), just clean and safe with AirCon but I don't need many other amenities.
What I found looking in the board is:
Elegant II, 107 Trieu Viet Vuong - room at US$25. Seems to be girlfriendly.
North Hotel, 15, Hang Ga . It seems very cheap and very friendly, but I don't know anything else.
Hang Nga Hotel, 65 Cua Bac St., Ba Dinh District. Internet rate US$29, girlfriendly.
Any suggestions? Thanks a lot.
IOTR
Reports will follow, as usual.
Found a pretty much all-hours "Massage Mat" place. 32 Le Duan. Pretty much operates on donations only, so pay whatever you think is standard.
ItalyontheRoad:
Try the Elegant II. It's an excellent choice, an easy walk to Apoocalypse now and short cab rides from everywhere else. Don't believe the $25. You can bargain them down to about $20 and less if you're staying for a longer time. Also the place is in easy walking distance of some nice restaurants, and it's on a reasonably quiet street, so you won't be hassled all night. Girls are no problem at all.
Good Enough,
Do you know what area or street name Elegant II is at. Will be in Hanoi from July 16-19. Any bros in Hanoi around that time that want to hang out let me know. I speak reasonable vietnamese. Cheers.
Cali
Cali,
A couple posts below, you'll see the address for Elegant II.
Elegant II, 107 Trieu Viet Vuong.
I'm checking in there tonight, so I'm hoping for the best.
Just checked into the Elegant II. FYI, the price I got was 250,000 dong, which is roughly $17.
G Jelly: Thanks for reporting back on your satisfaction with your stay there. Going to Hanoi in July and still undecided on hotel to use.
Thanks a lot for the infos, and keep us updated please!
IOTR
Going to Hanoi in September:
This will be my first trip to Hanoi from Sept 8 until 19. If anyone around during that time, I would love to meet to find out about the local news. Also if anyone needs a wing-man, during those time, PM me.
How is security getting in/out of Hanoi? How much should I budget for the 10 days? I am planning to book a hotel for 1 day just so I have a place to stay when I arrived and then head over to Elegant II. Is there a way to book Elegant II from the US?
Z
Hi Guys.... well, Hanoi is wonderful.... Elegant II is a nice cheap hotel, I have been there and seen rates from $10, to $20, U.S. I personally stay at the Hanoi Harrison.. business, $67 per night, but a good 4 star plus location and hotel...
I would recommend visiting the Club at the Hanoi Hotel, the best club as far as I'm concerned and if you dont find anything you like there, usually 50 plus girls.. then you standards are crazy, since I would rate most of these girls 8 to 9's.... and the Philipino band is great... they just changed the rules a little, $7.00 cover now, before it was free, and drinks are around $7.00 for a beer..
Girls get a couple of bucks from each drink you buy.... to take them back to your hotel is usually $50, for sort time, and $60 for long time, plus I would recommend $20 for the momason... especially if you plan on going there more than once...
Guys... do me a favour... this is a really wonderful girlfriend type experience... and I have personally met a wonderful girl there and see her every time I go over... SO BE NICE... treat them as girlfriends and you will not believe the service you get..
I'm usually there every three weeks or so....
Find a nice girl, get her for a couple of days and take a side trip to Hanlong Bay... it's wonderful... and the money you pay the girl will help keep your costs down with the locals...
Have Fun.... Lance
hi everyone,
i've been reading this site for quite a while now and am thankful for all the valuable information that i've collected.
i will be heading to hanoi for a business trip next month and would like some input from fellow mongers here.
1. i've been given an option to stay at either the hanoi hilton opera, melia hotel or nikko hanoi hotel. which is best for location, girl-friendliness and proximity to places where i can find some nice vietnamese girls? company is paying, so i don't really care about hotel cost.
2. would appreciate any other do's and don'ts besides what i've read in this forum so far.
3. i'm more interested in "short time" girls rather than having a 'girlfriend' the entire trip. any recommendations?
thanks very much in advance.
the speedster.
speedster:
i would try the hilton opera for proximity to women. however, you may want to check out how girl friendly the place is before you make the reservation. i am not sure. as to short timers, try apocalypse now, new century or any of the many hostess bars in the hotels rep001tered around town.
hey speedster,
first, any of the hotels you talk about are ok, however, they will not be as girl friendly as you might like. any of the hotels will be reasonable, after about 10:00 you will need to take the girl to the front desk and she will give them here viertnam id and away you go.. they will add $10.00 to your bill, so if your concerned about what will show on the bill as a guest charge, register as a double and get two room keys and two breakfast coupons and then your done.
i have stayed in all three of these hotels and prefer another, the horrison hanoi, 4 to 5 star hotel, nice pool, close to down town and two good girl facilities close by, even a walk if you don't want to spend $1.00 us for a cab. order a car from the hotel to meet you at the airport if you have not been there before, it will be around $25.00 and they will add it to your room, a cab is $20, but this is much better.
i prefer the club in the hanoi hotel, wonderful club, upstairs from the main lobby on the right, 50 to 100 beautiful women a night, and two other clubs just blocks away if you don't find something to your taste here, which i think is impossible. lately, they changed the policy, there is now a $7.00 u.s. cover and drinks are $7.00, and the philipano girl band is fantastic, really high class place.
the madam will show you some where between 25 to 30 girls at a time, all with numbers, and you can walk around and look at all the girls before you decide. when you decide the girl will sit with you, buy her a drink, if you don't like her after a while, just tell the madam you would like to see other girls. most girls are $50 to $60 for the night, and $20 for the madam, to take them back to your hotel. when you have paid, go down to the lobby of the hotel and wait for the girl to change and meet you. this is a classy operation, they know me well, and you treat them right, and you will get the best service you have ever had anywhere.
i'm planning on being in hanoi on the july 30th to august 2nd and back on august 12th to the 19th, if your going to be around.
if your into watches at all, there are places close to the lake at the center of town that sell perfect copies for $50 to $70. u.s. bargin like hell, it's fun.
resturants are great, and try the food on the street, and in the beer halls, for .50 cents on the street you will be amazed how good it is... even though you don't want a "girl friend" if you find one that speaks good english, book her for the next night, and get her to take you to a vietnam seafood resturant, and order and give her the money to pay for the meal, you will have a great time... $50 to $60 for the girl for the night and a good dinner experience can't be beat.
now if you have a full day, get the hotel to get you a car and driver for the day and go to hanlong bay, get a boat and sea food on the boat.... the whold day, car, driver, boat, food and everything.... for one, or two, or more of you will be $200 to $250, and one of the best experiences you have ever had... take a girl with you... live...
lance
hi there lance (and goodenough),
thank you so much for your very detailed post. i should be arriving on aug 1st night and leaving the following saturday (7th). will be rather busy at work during the weekdays but am planning to go nuts on friday. looks like i might have to extend my departure to sunday and give this halong bay excursion a shot.
the place at hanoi hotel sounds very good too. failing any other recommendations, i think i shall be heading there.
i have been to ho chi minh city before but only for 2 nights and was rather busy then too. couldn't really do much then but the vietnamese girls were just so pretty. i'm a little excited about this trip seeing that it's a little longer and i have the time to savor a vietnamese girl or two. and with the info you've given me, i might not have to trial and error either. :)
i have not brought a girl back to my hotel room before and this deal about having to check her in at the front desk is kinda worrying (read "embarrassing"). is there anything i can do to avoid this? also, does the girl stay the night and leave in the morning or does she leave after the deed is done?
once again, thanks a whole lot for the advice.
the speedster.
A public service announcement:
You should all be made aware that Apocalypse Now is Apocalypse No More. The place has been shut down, gutted and now looks as though it is being renovated as office space.
With all due respect to Lance, he seems like a star struck rookie in VN - and especially Ha Noi which has a GDP income only about half that of HCM City. I like his enthusiasm, but unless you're on a company expense account or the spoiled nephew of Donald Trump, a reality check is in order:
1.) $20-$25 for a ride from Noi Bai Intl Airport into town - ridiculously high! Many "private" hotels have free airport pickup or you can negotiate in the parking lot a taxi for $8-$10. Just look for a newer aircon cab and maybe a driver with a bit of English.
2.) Paying $10 joiner fee is excessive and not necessary IF you know the ropes in VN. There are dozens and dozens of private tourist class hotels all over VN (including Ha Noi) where you can pay an average of $15-$25 for excellent girl friendly accomodations. IMO, if a joiner fee is required it should never be more than 50000-60000d.
3.) Ha Noi Hotel and its $7 drinks! WOW! A bia hoi (fresh beer) is 5000d (35 cents) on any corner anywhere in Viet Nam. The drinks, the cover charge, the girls prices, all this nonsense including a laughable Philipino girl band is way out of line unless you are somebody who knows or cares nothing about VN. Up to you, as they say...
4.) $70-$80 for a girl in VN is simply overpaying. The country has an official GDP annual income of only around $500 - higher by 50-100% in the big cities. There are plenty of very nice girls available in Ha Noi for around $20 total - including LT if she likes you. Various brothel cafes and cat toc have fees of 30000-60000d to mama and around the same amount to girl. Once you get beyond the pseudo-luxury plastic world of 4-5 star hotels you can discover the REAL VIET NAM.
5.) Don't buy a piece of junk fake Rolex for $50-$70 - offer maybe $15. Most of these fake pieces fall apart in no time.
I take it back - buy one or two of the fakes. At least you are giving the money to the REAL people who need it and deserve a break - not the corrupt, elitist Communist Peoples Committee who own nearly all the luxury hotels and tourist related industries in the Socialist Republic.
Chao tam biet.
Asiaphile
Hi Asiaphile,
Thanks very much for your alternate point of view and advice. From your post, I take it that you are very much a local or at least know the local scene very well.
As for me, being a first timer to Hanoi and not knowing the ropes and how to deal with certain situations, your advice is very much appreciated. However, I'm not sure if I want to venture out and look for real cheap deals for a piece of ass. I just want to know of the 'safe' places to go where I can get some good quality girls at a reasonable price.
Back to the topic at hand. The massage at the Hanoi hotel seems like a must-try. Sensual massages with happy endings are quite a turn-on for me. Does anybody know if they have this sorta massage at the Hilton Opera or Nikko Hotel?
i think i would like to see what speedster has to say to your notes and my notes. the directions i gave him are for someone on a first visit who whats not issues and lots of fun. if you read his request, he will not be able to negociate as easily as you seem to think. with respect to your posts:
with all due respect to lance, he seems like a star struck rookie in vn - and especially ha noi which has a gdp income only about half that of hcm city. i like his enthusiasm, but unless you're on a company expense account or the spoiled nephew of donald trump, a reality check is in order:
response: i prefer a class enviornment, no sense putting you down or building myself up, just preference and yes, money is not a real problem and i would rather spend more and get more.
1.) $20-$25 for a ride from noi bai intl airport into town - ridiculously high! many "private" hotels have free airport pickup or you can negotiate in the parking lot a taxi for $8-$10. just look for a newer aircon cab and maybe a driver with a bit of english.
response: last trip, there was a couple of official guys from the government directing taxis.. i will grant you that there is private non government run taxis for less, but as of late, the official government posted rate is now $20 for taxi. has it been a while since your were there?
2.) paying $10 joiner fee is excessive and not necessary if you know the ropes in vn. there are dozens and dozens of private tourist class hotels all over vn (including ha noi) where you can pay an average of $15-$25 for excellent girl friendly accomodations. imo, if a joiner fee is required it should never be more than 50000-60000d.
response: agreed. elegant ii is a wonderful hotel if your company is not paying, but if your read, you will notice he is on an expense account and my directions were of two fold, to help prevent him from being embarassed when called to the front desk by the hotel staff and to avoid the embarassed addition charge that may show up on his expense account. may be you should read before you respond.
3.) ha noi hotel and its $7 drinks! wow! a bia hoi (fresh beer) is 5000d (35 cents) on any corner anywhere in viet nam. the drinks, the cover charge, the girls prices, all this nonsense including a laughable philipino girl band is way out of line unless you are somebody who knows or cares nothing about vn. up to you, as they say.
agreed, there are cheaper and more expensive places. as you will not i said upscale. as you say there are lots of cheap beer places for 35 cents, and you will notice that i did recommend the street lunches. be fair, the gentlement is a first timer. lets help him, he will learn the ropes on the second and third trips.
4.) $70-$80 for a girl in vn is simply overpaying. the country has an official gdp annual income of only around $500 - higher by 50-100% in the big cities. there are plenty of very nice girls available in ha noi for around $20 total - including lt if she likes you. various brothel cafes and cat toc have fees of 30000-60000d to mama and around the same amount to girl. once you get beyond the pseudo-luxury plastic world of 4-5 star hotels you can discover the real viet nam.
agreed, finding the real vn and the nice $20 girls takes time. i laugh when i see the girls in the "plastic" world, beautiful dresses and you know the girls don't own the dresses, but again, think, he is a first timer. you can't expect someone who is traveling alone to vn the first time to experience what you may experience speaking the language and having been there a number of times. i'm now learning vn language and branching out and there is a whole wonderful world of vn, and frankly if i could legally, i would live in vn. as it is, i visit my office in vn as often as possible, and have an arrangement with a local girlfriend i see every week or two. vn is a poor country no doubt, what really worries me is what happens to it in 5 years when more tourists flock to vn... when you go to hanlong bay, as far as you can see they are building condo's and golf courses. if you think the vn people are opressed now, just wait.
5.) don't buy a piece of junk fake rolex for $50-$70 - offer maybe $15. most of these fake pieces fall apart in no time.
i take it back - buy one or two of the fakes. at least you are giving the money to the real people who need it and deserve a break - not the corrupt, elitist communist peoples committee who own nearly all the luxury hotels and tourist related industries in the socialist republic.
response: again, you must be missinformed. there are $15 and $20 dollar rolex watches and yes they are junk. there is a new store, wish i could remember the address, right by the german beer pub by the lake. that carries about 30 different manufacture (fake) watches for $50 to $70, where the quality is excellent (same kind of inner works you would get in north america for the same money), but they carry the high end brand name and looks. much more cost effective than paying $8000 in the u.s.
it is obvious you know more of the real vn than i do, i travel for business and don't mind spending my money to help the people of vn, and yes i do over pay (give money to my girlfriend, and yes, she more than likely has multiple guys like me), but please read someone's post and understand that as first timers, they need help they can execute. your advice is excellent for someone who goes regularly, or lives in the area. not a first timer.
sorry, that's my two cents. help people, do not lead them down roads they are incapable of traveling without the language and or experience.
just my two cents.
chao tam biet.
asiaphile
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Who would in their right mind; especially if you're a foreign touris, to sit at any corner in Vietnam for a 35 cents glass of "bia hoi"?? Why would you want to torture yourself by sitting out in the heat, sweating like a damn dog, breathing dirt and foul smells from the streets, just to save a few bucks while supposedly you're on vacation for some stress relieve!
A $7 drink is well worth every penny! You get to sit in a nice club/bar with wonderful atmosphere. You get to enjoy aircon, music/lights, exellent services from many cocktail waitress ready to please you, lots of beautiful working girls walking around to entertain and keep you company while you there, and you get the convenient for some take out right before your eyes!
Having said that; you need to simply ask yourself one question. What type of drink would you prefer?
Although I have to agreed with Asia regarding hotels in Vietnam. Unless your company is paying for all your expenses, do not stay at expensive hotels if you are planning to bring girls back. It just not worth all the hassles! If you've been through it, then you know what I mean. There are thousand of privately own mini-hotels all over Vietnam, their rates are usually $15-$20 a night and they are girl friendly 24/7. With this price you will get a nice standard room with aircon, hot water for shower, and all the same amenities you would get if you were at Marriott hotel. Although I have stayed at many hotels in Saigon, I have never paid for a "joiner fee" and only learned of this fee by reading this forum.
Dear Lance Toronto;
I enjoy reading your post. It seems you had a great time in Vietnam. I envy you! Please read my previous post to Asiaphile below.
Asiaphile;
My suggest to you is that; don't criticize other people on how much they paid for a good time because you are only a one man band! It is great that you mention how much you paid each time you played so we can get a general idea, but don't call anyone "arrogant" and "stupid" for not paying the same price as you do. Here is why: There are so many sluts running around in Saigon and no one is screwing a same **** at the same time, and every "session" is a different experience for each monger. I am sure you have a vault of "knowledge and experience", but your "taste and style" might not be the same as the guy sitting next to you. I don't know about anyone else; but when I only have 3 weeks to stay in VN each time I visit, "money" is an issue I seldom think about. This have nothing to do with how much money I have to burn or how arrogant I am, it is about working hard and play harder when I get a chance for some stress relief. As you mention you had a "bia hoi" for 5,000d before you headed back to your hotel. It sounds refreshing and cheap! But that does not mean that a glass of "bia hoi" is the same quality and taste as a bottle of Ken, maybe it is to you but definitely not to me and many other people. So please take one's style and taste, as well as "quality and service" into consideration when you criticize people who paid 1,000,000d and above for a FS.
Asiaphile - Well done!
Well thanks!
I sometimes get jumped on a bit here by a few when I discuss the REAL price of anything in Viet Nam - even though I have made dozens of trips all over the country since '91 and just returned last month. I think I have done and seen almost everything there but I still learn something new each time I travel around VN. I have stayed at $200 nite hotels - that was the standard room rate at HCM New World in the mid 90's (it's now around $60). I have stayed at suprisingly nice $17 (suite!) private hotels like the one I had at Nha Trang for a week or my fave in HCM for $20 - all very girl friendly. The joiner fee in HCM was 60000d with no add on in NT - I just tipped the nite boys nicely and they brought me some lovely choices whenever I requested. For me the bottom line is, I hate to be ripped off, taken advantage of, taken for a fool, get the mafia punk shakedown (a way of life in HCM), and all the other BS that can pile up fast in VN for unsuspecting newbies.
Let me give you in inside scoop from listening to casual conversations with bia om girls for years in HCM City, Ha Noi, Nha Trang, Hai Phong, Da Nang, etc. How many times have we all heard, "hundred dollah honey." It's total nonsense in dirt poor Viet Nam and they expect you would know it... but some (maybe many?) star struck foreign punters bargain very little or not at all and blindly pay it! If you bargain she will always come down, usually right away, "okay honey for you one million dong" (I never let anyone in VN know I carry USD - only VND). Well, let's see that makes it around $63. I still think that is quite high even for a "so-called superstar." I promise with friendly bargaining you can get FS at about half that or around max. 500000d. Maybe then you can throw her another 50000d-100000d for excellent LT service. That's 500K in HCM City but often less in Ha Noi or anywhere upcountry. This is the realistic price in the big city bia om or high class clubs - much less elsewhere such as cat toc/hot toc, massa/sauna, cafe tam, etc. So that's my 200d throw away toilet paper opinion on price for lam tinh (make love). And everyone knows that opinions are like assholes - we all have one.
Asiaphile:
You're far more knowledgeable than I about VN, but I think you also should have mentioned that picking up "normal" women, in shops, coffee houses, in hotels and on the street is not all that difficult, and represents maybe the cheapest alternative of all.
GoodEnough - GoodPoint.
I have mentioned the relative ease of picking up "regular girls" in VN here and elsewhere before. In my broad Far East experience, the only other country where I have found this a productive strategy is select parts of Indonesia. Certainly not in Thailand or Philippines where the sex industry is wide open, ingrained and where so-called sex tourists are looked down on; China with a bit more skeptical, suspicious women; then all the developed countries in the region which are not much more socially/economically different than expensive, boring western societies.
Yes, in VN picking up local hotel workers, coffee shop cuties, postcard selling girls, fruit selling girls, college moto girls and semi pros of all stripes on most any corner is often the fun, interesting, least expensive way I go. It probably represents about 50% of the ones I end up with for all kinds of reasons:
VN girls hate being looked down on as prostitutes (it's a BIG cultural and legal taboo!); they simply LOVE a nice foreign "boyfriend;" you represent a ticket out of the commie state (southern girls usually VERY interested in getting out); lots of naive and/or unspoiled curiousity about foreigners with mass tourism relatively new; many local VNese men are not seen as good prospects (lacking upward mobility in "the system"); or the chain smoking dudes (very few girls smoke or smoke much!) seem only about pimping girls at some obnoxious street mafia level - I could go on and on.
Asiaphile:
Now you made me nostalgic for the department store and office worker cuties I used to bring home when I was living in Jakarta. I may have to go back soon just to repeat the experience.
GE
Quoting: "Last trip, there was a couple of OFFICIAL guys from the govt directing taxis... blah, blah."
That's the point - just another corrupt communist monopoly which is evident all over OFFICIAL VN but there are GOOD and SMART "PRIVATE" alternatives. To repeat: Many PRIVATE HOTELS will pick up guests at Noi Bai (or Tan Son Nhat) for FREE so paying $20 for a govt owned taxi is a rip-off for the 30-35 minute ride into Ha Noi. The REAL price is $8-$10. Overpaying without any bargaining simply lines the pockets of the greedy govt mafia gang who have run that same racket inside Noi Bai for over a decade. This kind of basic info is available in many VN travel guide books- so it seems rather boring here. I was in Ha Noi last month and paid VND150000 when I left from my place out to the airport. When I arrived at Noi Bai on a flight from Phu Bai, I was picked up for free by my private mini hotel. While in Ha Noi I hired the driver who spoke very little English but with a newer Toyota Crown for 350000d daily and had him at my service from around 10am-12 midnight. I tipped him with a few 5000d bia hoi - ha ha!
Basically, the only thing I have to ask is, what's this about Apoc Now getting turned into office space??
I stand behind my statement that a $7 beer anywhere in VN is a laughable rip off and that there's lots of friendly and fun alternatives where you don't have to break a sweat, paying a helluva LOT LESS for the same overall quality.
Asiaphile,
It seems to me that you have an issue with money and it appears that you traveled to Vietnam on a tight bugget everytime. true? If that is the case then just let me know and I will try to help you out so you can relax and really enjoy what VN has to offer without worrying what's left in your pocket or overpaying the girls for some good time! Okay?
So what if some guys paid a little more for taxi fares? So what if some guys paid $20-$30 more for an overnite of wild sex with a ****? So what if some guys paid $20 or more for "joiner fee" so they can get the sluts up into their room? So what if some guys got rip-off at Ben Thanh market? So what if some guys decline a 35cents glass of "bia hoi" and prefer a $7 cocktail instead? So what and so what? who cares? It is their money and they can spend however they like as long as they are happy in pussy-land, and as long as they can take their mind of their work and problems back home in the real world! That is the general idea why they traveled to VN in the first place.
Does it ever occur to you that some guys travel to VN just to have "a good time"? Does it ever occur to you that some guys are loaded with money that they don't bother to bargain for a piece of pussy because bargaining may ruin the mood? Does it ever occur to you that some guys would rather pay a liittle for the convenient of getting a good time? Does it ever occur to you that time is not on some guys' side? Does it ever occur to you that some guys "taste and style" are different than others? Does it ever occur to you that some guys just simply have "more class" than others? Does it ever occur to you that some guys would just willing to put out extra money because they don't want to be hassle by anything when they are in VN for some stress relieve?
As you have mentioned in your previous posts. You like to bargain for the cheapest piece of pussy possible, you prefer sitting on a corner somewhere in VN for a 35cents glass of Bia Hoi rather than a $7 cocktail at a nice bar, so on and so on. That is good for you! That's your personal "taste and style", and you shouldn't feel ashame or be embarrass about it. Just don't compare yourself to others!
It is good that you mentioned how much you paid each time you played so we can get the general idea of what to expect. But don't put others down just simply because they paid more than your normal rates, and don't self-proclaimed yourself to be "Mr. experienced and know it all" because it is so obvious that your "taste and style" are so different from many members here in this forum.
Asiaphile:
Did you ever try the local bars that proliferate all over Hanoi, and where the beers cost about .$25 and you can sit all day long and bullshit with the girls on the street, and get a bowl of noodles for another $.50 or so? Anyone who pays 7 bucks for a beer in Vietnam, unless he's entertaining one of the local officials, is mentally ill.
GoodEnough:
Actually, I rarely drink beer as I much prefer a fresh da chanh (lemon drink) or sit in a ca phe den mau (dark light cafe) - sipping the great VNese coffee which remains one of the best venues to meet regular girls of all stripes. I am not going to get into a tit for tat on uninformed, childish comments of others like, "I will try to help you out so you can afford a $7 beer at Ha Noi Hotel." If this silly type was living in and among the expat community in Ha Noi or HCMC which I have they would NOT be speaking this big shot line or they would instantly be persona non gratta. The totalitarian commies love such spoiled foreigners who suck up to them and their state owned monopoly BS - but the real, struggling people of VN are not impressed. I stand in solidarity with the average VNese people against the corrupt state mafia. For the record a bowl of food stall pho is about $.50 cents in Ha Noi but about double that amount in HCM.
Dear Asiaphile,
If you really hate the commies that much and all that talk about make the elite officials more richer; guess what? DO NOT COME TO VIETNAM! It doesn't matter how much you spend in Vietnam from $1 to $10,000; as soon as you step out of the airport, YOU ARE BRINGING $$$ DIRECTLY AND INDIRECTLY INTO THEIR POCKETS! You are changing NOTHING when comes to street vendors by eat their dirty bowl of soup or drink a dirt-cheap glass of home-made [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] beer, because a portion of what you paid to the street vendors will go to the street thugs for protection and to the locol cops for not hassassing them! So it doesn't matter if someone is dirt-cheap and poor like youself or having much money to burn like myself, we are all contributing to the commies as long as we are continuing to travel to Vietnam for some pussy action. So get it clear in your little narrow-minded head; and stop comparing things, stop pointing out how much the average Vnese make in a year, or how the poor have to suffer because frankly no one cares! Everyone here traveled to Vietnam for one thing and one thing only; that is to srcew many girls as possible for some stress relieve!
If you are on a Humanitarian Mission in Vietnam then I suggest for you to get the hell out of this forum!
Asiaphile:
I only lived for six months in Vietnam, all of it in Hanoi, though I did get the chance to travel to other parts of the country, from the rural provinces and villages to the large cities like HCMC, Danang, Hue and others. It took me about two weeks to learn the lessons that you summarize in your excellent posts. I lived in two worlds while there: one, the mafia-controlled, corrupt and exploitative world which my clients inhabited. In this world, Johnny Walker Blue Label, Martell Cognac and high-priced call girls premomindated. The other, in which thankfully I lived in most of the time, was the world of local food, indigenous coffee shops and bars, and the street life as described in your posts.
The tragedy (perhaps too dramatic a word) for the guys who want to live only in the Vietnam of $7 beers, expensive women and western retaurants is not that they're pissing money away; after all it's their money. They will however, miss the rich culture, wonderful people, excellent food and dynamism of the "real" Vietnam, which persists despite the greed and heavihandedness of the rulers of the country.
Keep up the good work.
GE
Folks,
What we need to know in the forum is " How to get girls cheap in a poor country like Vietnam!" If money is not a problem I guess all of us will not come here. Lance' advice is ok but kind of unrealistic (too expensive) and should be taken with a grain of salt. No offense here. My 2 cents.
Dear Asiaphile,
One more thing I forgot to mention in my previous post. You are also a Hypocrite and a Joke to yourself and everyone else! You are just simply Fake man!
You wrote all these posts telling how the poor Vietnamese people are suffering in Vietnam while people like myself bindly burn money away blah blah blah. On the other hand, you proudly proclaimed that you spend your precious time and energy to hunt down young Vietnamese girls who are un-touched by Mongers and fuck the hell out of them for the lowest possible price that your bargaining skills can take you. This is how you want to help the poor in VN? This is your way of doing things so the mafia and the elite officials in VN won't get a piece of your dollar?
On one hand, you are exploiting young innocent Vietnamese girls from the country side of VN for your sexual desires and then have the nerve to feel sorry for the street vendors and the poor through out VN? Get real man!
Peace.
Sexmania,
You start out "Dear Asiaphile" and then launch into a personal attack - something I have never done in this or any forum. I have never addressed you personally but I did say something about childish banter. You are on the border line of getting banned from this forum I assure you - just remember this. I am a Senior Member who knows the Moderator Jackson very well and he and I are on the same wave length on all issues in this forum. For some reason you don't seem to notice the majority that have spoken up with intelligence and restraint agree mostly with me and not you - do you hear that. How laughable that you would paint me as an NGO type who should "get the hell out of this forum." Thanks to all those who chimed in on my behalf and hopefully more valuable info will be forthcoming from the vast majority of you guys - minus such rare bad apples baiting for a fight with their useless silly babble.
My Dearest Friend, Asiaphile,
I didn't know that YOU are a SENIOR MEMBER here! Wow, how about that? A SENIOR MEMBER, WHO KNOWS THE CREATOR OF THIS FORUM VERY WELL. I guess being a SENIOR MEMBER is like having the same status as a Medical Doctor huh? Or even a Chief Operating Office of some kind for a major corporation. Oh boy, I don't know what I would do if I were to loose my membership here. What would I do? What would I do?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3935519.stm
Gentlemen
Let us all get along together.
If guys want to pay top end prices for skanks, let them.
If guys want to explore the real Vn hinterland and report back here, let them as that is why Attica set up the forum in the first place.
Have a look at the Thai board where Freeler and some other brave souls explore the real Thailand and others stay in little tourist ghettoes. Different strokes for different folks.
Vietnam is a great place and Vn women are nice. Find a nice one. Make love, not war.
Domino the Duck
(on behalf of Mongers for a Kinder and Gentler Vietnam Sex Scene)
Dear friends,
I’m planning to visit Hanoi from the 4th to the 8th in August and to stay at Hanoi Daewoo hotel. This will be my first time to travel to Vietnam.
Any suggestion how to get a girl at the hotel? Since I’ll be working during most of the time. What about massage, which one you recommend that can be followed by HJ?
What about the facilities in this hotel? Should I try the Karaoke private rooms? Is it expensive?
I also want to take some tours around, do you think it’s a good idea to consider LT that will show me also around? Any suggestion regarding the cost?
Appreciate very much your reply since I’ll be traveling early next week
Eric
Sexmania:
I do not wish to contribute to any ad hoc attacks, and I'm not attacking you, but I think your response to Asiaphile is misguided. The fact is that Asiaphile's analysis of the stranglehold that Communist party officials have on the country is correct. If this type of exploitation is offensive to you, then why contribute to the enterprises that they control? Doing so merely perpetuates a totaliratian, nepostistic system.
Trying to live within the "real" Vietnam--whether chasing its women, eating in it's resaurants, patronizing the non-Communist controlled hotels, or anything else--merely helps ensure that the hard-working "unconnected" people who run these establishments, profit from their hard work. This is neither hypocritical nor offensive. What's the problem? Convresely if Asiaphile's insights into the Party oligarchy don't bother you, then feel free to participate in the tourist Vietnam.
One other point, which relates to neither of the above, is that sticking to the sites and attractions associate with the tourist Vietnam means that, in a sense, you'll never leave the West, and never get to really experience the magic of the country.
Dear GoodEnough,
Correction my friend! You need to go back and read all the previous posts slowly and carefully because you got it all wrong my friend. It is our dear friend, Asiaphile, who is having some issue with the Commies. I think you are wise enough to realize that WE ARE ALL CONTRIBUTING TO THE ENTERPRISES THAT THE COMMIES CONTROL. It doesn't matter how much money you have or may not have, or how you choose to spend your money while you are in Vietnam; because a portion of every dollar you spent in Vietnam will somehow, someway go into their pockets. So like I said before, if you have a problem with the commies, the corruption, the poor getting poorer while the rich blindly burning their money then DON'T COME TO VIETNAM!
The purpose of WSG Forum is about SEX. This Vietnam Forum is about the SEX INDUSTRY in Vietnam. It is about how to get laid, where to find girls, what are the current hot spots for pickup, what are the different prices that we all paid each time we played, and so on and so on.
Unlike a few members here, each time I travel to Vietnam I always have one clear purpose in mind, and that is to fuck as many girls as I can, pay the price and get the hell out! I don't pretend otherwise.
I will never be in Vietnam for any Humanitarian Mission so the only thing that I care for is SEX.
Good Luck My Friend.
To everyone,
Sorry this has gotten out of hand. Everyone is right. My posts were simply for first timers to Hanoi, who wanted simple directions to good places, communist controlled or otherwise. Pussy is pussy.
The other Vietnam is wonderful too, and I have found it thru a wonderful young VN girl who I pay well, because of the conditions communisim puts these people in, as a friend of mine tells me. Both Trang and I benifit from our relationship. What she does when I'm not in VN, is her business, and the same with me.
We enjoy each other and I enjoy attempting to provide the money for her to hopefully one day do something else if she so chooses.
The bottom line:
Go to VN, enjoy it now, it is changing very quickly, and regardless of how much or how little any of us spend in VN it will change unfortunately for the worse. I love the people of VN, they live in a much simpler world than I do, and that is why I spend time there. If you want to escape the insanity of the Western World, there are few places left, and they are vanishing fast.
Lance
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Gentlemen,
It seems that there is always a row on this thread. Not really wanting to point fingers, Asiaphile always seems to be in the middle of it, flaming guys for paying too much, complaining about the corrupt political system, and reminding us of the GDP and income levels of the Vietnamese. I reckon the politics and demographics should be left off this forum since the purpose is to share info about how to get laid. As long as a monger does not pay more than the going rate at a particular establishment and jack up prices unecessarily, I don't care. That is his business. I can choose to, or not to, patronize that establishment if I think it is too expensive. Let's face it, some places are more expensive for pussy than others for whatever reason.
The only useful contribution in the last three pages of this thread is the post about the closing of Apocalypse Now. Although the girls there were a bit old for my taste, it was still an excellent spot to find actiion, reasonably priced. I prefer the New Century for the same money.
I am planning a trip to Hanoi soon and wanted to check if there were any new developments. I did not appreciate having to read through three pages of nonsense to find out.
Just my POV....
OAH
I have seen a long debate in this forum about prices of pussy in vietnam, and I think both concerned contributors are right and wrong. I am more concerned about saigon, but it seems this debate happens now in this thread.
First, although very cheap pussy can be found in vietnam, every place has a kind of standard price corresponding to a specific service. For example, you go to apocalypse in saigon, it is easy to find, you can have a nice evening dancing with a girl talking some english. The girl has to spend on drinks in order to be able to work there, she also has to give money to mafia. So you give her 50 $, and that's worth it. You can find cheaper, but it may not be so easy, you have to spend some time, you don't enjoy a nice evening except fucking, the girl doesn't speak english, etc...
Second, why spend more than the standard price for a given place ? If the standard price is 50, why pay 100? I have been many times in places like apocalypse, the girls knows me from sight, or I let them know that I've been there many times. Most of the time we don't even talk about money, they go with me, I give them 50$ and that's it! Overpaying is like going to a restaurant and you have the same meal as your neighbour but you pay a higher price!
Finally, about girl's quality. My experience is that you pay for the place and the bundle of service you get, not for the beauty of the girls. I don't pick up my girls in places like apocalypse, lodge disco, sailing club, etc... unless it is a mere question of convenience, simply because I find the girls not attractive enough.
If you want a fresh sweet 18-20 year old girl that does not drink and smoke, with soft skin, firm tits, and tight pussy, you have to find other places, where vietnamese go, and it is much cheaper.
In asia, my experience is that the asian people always get the best choice. So either you go to top places for japanese or taiwanese people, and you pay 200$ or more for a girl, Or you go to places for vietnamese men and you pay 10-30$.
Cheers !
ASIAPHILE.
Your posts are very good and mature. A solid experience is here definitely.
I see the same problem in many other countries where many Western tourists, mainly from USA start going. Most of these guys are constantly told at home, at school etc that each of them is the center of Universe, and the smartest, the most good-looking and most intellegent that nature was able to create.
When you try to explain them that by overpaying for everything they destroy local markets (including for themselves in a near future) they got very irritated and angry and reply that what they are paying is still much cheaper than they would pay for similar goods or services in USA.
If you dare to remind them that they are not in USA and to pay $10 for something that can be easily bought for $2 is stupid, they usually begin hating you and accuse of poverty.
It is their nature. They cannot think or act differently.
I`ve been through meeting these young gentlemen many times.
You can do nothing about it.
I can do nothing about it.
Only mayby to stop sharing info about these very few really beautiful places that still remain in the world.
Otherwise they read, they go, they litter,they destroy, they leave.
You cannot change those people. Try to avoid them.
I get so sick of getting into the forums, only to read the posts that are full of arguments and irrelevant information. It seems to be more so in the Vietnam forum which I like to read since I'm a Vietkieu.
Although I have only posted a few posts, and not a senior member (mostly because I try to stay on topic), with due respects to all, I'd like to share my thoughts.
What Asiaphile says are good and accurate observations, I myself have lived and worked in SEA for many years. I don't always agree with him though, there are times when you don't mind spending a few dollars more. Also, for newbies not knowing what they're doing, perhaps we can cut them some slacks. Nevertheless, I appreciate the shared information, this is why I visit the forum.
What I get sick of most of all, is the crude tone of some of the responses. I hate people who launch into a personal attack just because they cannot articulate their point of view in a civilised and mature manner. When I see those names, I simply skip over and do not waste my time.
All I can say is that there are some members in this forum who are UTTERLY STUPID, and I am surprised that they would have such a narrow-minded head for human beings.
WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT! We all have different backgrounds. We all have different TASTE in women. We all have different TASTE in what we drink and what we eat in Vietnam. We all have different IDEAS as how we would like to spend our time in Vietnam. We all have different SEXUAL FANTASIES that we want to do in Vietnam. We all have different BANK ACCOUNTS. We all have different STYLE in the way we dress, the way we speak and the way we carry ourselves in public. We all have different CLASS as how we want to have a good time in Vietnam. So the bottom line is that: WE ARE ALL DIFFERENT!
DO NOT DICTATE ON WHAT AND HOW EVERYONE SHOULD OR SHOULD NOT ACT IN VIETNAM. That is simply WRONG! If you don't understand this point, then I suggest for you to read my SECOND paragragh again, slowly and carefully.
I personally would never pickup a prostitute off the street in Vietnam or go to some remote country-side in Vietanm for some real cheap actions. I would never do that because that is my PERSONAL TASTE and CHOICE! If you rather enjoy eating your food off the street-vendors, that's good for you. If you prefer spending your time learning the Vietnamese culture and its people, then that's up to you. If you are into doing those things and it makes you happy then it's good for you! I have no problem with that. JUST DON'T CALL ANYONE STUPID AND ARROGANT FOR NOT DOING EXACTLY WHAT YOU'RE DOING.
Seriously, what THE HELL are you thinking? You think that when all of us Mongers go to Vietnam, we should all go to the same place, fuck the same girl, eat the same food, drink the same drinks, pay the same price, and call that a good time? Is that how you want the world to be so that your $2 piece of pussy would stay the same price forever?
Back to basics,please. I understand the quality of the girls at the
Hanoi Hotel club is good. If you hook up thru the mama-san, is
there any problem bringing the girl up to a room in the hotel? Are
there any other recommendations for hotels in Hanoi that house a club/karaoke bar where you can procure someone for LT/ST &
move on up to a room without any hassles?
Magnet,
The quality at the Hanoi Hotel can be either stellar or horrible. On any given night there are between 100-150 girls working, so what you are really dealing with is the law of averages. But the problem with that place is that it is so feckin' dark. What looks good one minute will scare you half to death the moment you get step into proper lighting.
Typically, groups of about 10 girls will be brought in front of you and a flashlight will be shone on each girl. The process is repeated until you find something you like. Trouble is, flashlighting is very unflattering and you still can't always be sure of what you are getting until you step outside.
But is there any problem taking a girl up to your room? Absolutely not. Everything is possible and for the most part is hassle-free.
Another place to check is the Fortuna Hotel down the street from the Hanoi. From a sheer volume standpoint, the Fortuna outweighs everywhere else with about 280 girls working there. Once again, it is feckin' dark in there and so the law of averages applies but everything is hassle-free.
One more is Club Q at the Daewoo Hotel. Judging from my last visit there about three weeks ago, I would say that on the whole the girls at this place are better looking than the abovementioned but the volume is a bit less. I don't think they ever have more than 100 girls working at any one time. A big plus here is that the lighting isn't bad.
Magnet45,
I stay at the Daewoo Hotel. 5-Star for around $60 and completely girl friendly. There is a nightclub in the hotel with top quality talent. I paid $100 for LT (Asiaphile, please do not flame me!) with a real stunner. I think ST was $50. Expensive, but convenient.
OAH
Gentlemen,
I think price is often dependent on the environment in which P4P is available. The nicer the place, the higher the price. I picked up at SW in China last night and paid her only US$6 for a BBBJ. We chatted a bit about the subject. She said it was funny that I paid her $6 off the street, but I would have paid her $85 out of a KTV bar in a major hotel.
In Vietnam, I have paid as low as US$2 ST in Vung Tau to the $100 LT reported in my last post.
Just my POV.
OAH
OldAsiaHand,
How do you get a rate of US$60 at the Daewoo, I have stayed there earlier and paid around US$85. Is there a website where I can book the hotel? Will be in Hanoi around the 10th September, for 3 nights.
Fusch
Fusch,
The hotel is booked for me by my supplier in Hanoi, but I think it is the standard corporate rate. You should have somebody book it for you in Hanoi.
OAH
Hi,
For the first time I’m going to Bangkok, Hanoi, Hue and HCMC. I only speak English and am looking for suggestions as to where to find ‘some company’ who speaks some English. In other places I’ve gone into a department type store to ‘shop’ and if I found one to my liking, I’d strike up a conversation and ask if she could help me find some place for dinner and help me sightseeing the next day. I also offer to pay her for her day(s) of lost wages at the store. Is this a good approach also in Thailand and VN?
Where else can I have a good chance of finding an English speaking friend?
Thx Fred
Travel Report
Hanoi:
Hotel: Hotel Elegant - 89 Trieu Viet Vuong Str.
Price: US$ 20 + Tax. Breakfast included.
GF?: Not checked, but I suspect that a good tip to the night doorman can make the deal.
Notes: Not bad, but not in the tourist area. Elegant II Hotel was full so I tried this one.
Day 1:
Went to Thàn Gia Foot Massage, 18 Trieu Viet Vuong Str. Traditional massage only, no action at all. Two explicit cat ba nam near.
Went to New Century Disco, packed with pros. Me and my friend were immediately followed by two Viet girl, not bad both 7-8 in scale, forgot their names.
We make the deal for US$40 ST. I had a good experience, went to an unknown Mini Hotel (she knew it) and payed US$10 for the Hotel.
My friend told me he had a not so good experience, very rushed service.
Day 2: Went to Polite Bar & GC Bar in Pho Baok Manh. Both good for drinking but not good for mongering. Spotted no action at all.
Day 3: Went to a Cat Toc Nam on 101 Bui Thi Xuan rd., very close to our hotel.
No massage at all, but a very good BBBJCIM by a very beautiful 18yo girl. I completely undressed her during the bj. No english spoken at all.
Gave her 200.000 VND massage included, she look very happy 'bout the tip. Offered a second round, but I declined. (really don't know why!)
Went to the Funky Monkey Bar. Good music, but no action at all.
Tried to find the Apocalypse now, went there walking but it was closed and we felt not so safe in that area. We went away not asking.
It follows in the VIETNAM / OTHER AREAS section.
I am currently in Hanoi. This is my first trip here and I just got here yesterday morning. I had booked a hotel on the Internet for $24/night and to have a driver pick me up at the airport. but, once arrived, I decided to trek off on my own. I meet up with a fellow traveller coming to Hanoi to visit his mom and his family is picking him up at the airport. I hiched a ride with him for free and was able to asked them to find a cheap central hotel for me! I found that it helps tons to be able to speak the local language. All of my classes paid off! They found a girl friendly hotel in the old district for $10/night! I found that Hanoi has a weird open/close policy against prostitution. It is not legal but, girls are doing it.
In the morning I went around the city center doing the tourist thing. Hanoi is a small place! As far as the tourist industry go, it is not very developed. You need to either be a bit experience traveler or to speak the lingo to be able to make it here. after sampling most of the local food, I went got got myself a sim chip for my phone. They use GSM here and you will need to have your phone unlock if it is from the major carrier in the States to use it here. The price is about 400.000 dong for the sim card but, that gives you 300.000 dong of air time.
After that I got a xe-om to take me around. I negotiated with him for 150.000 dong for as long as I want. Fist we went to the Asia hotel massage since he told me that the girls there are very pretty. This turns out to be a complete wasted of time. I went up to the 7th floor and pay the desk 50.000 for the girl and room for one hour. Got a decent looking 5-6 looking girl. She gives an average massage and a rush hand-job. I was not into it so I did not finish. I went back to my driver and told him that I am not happy. This was around 11PM. I told him to take me to hotel Daewoo but, he does not know about the club there. He told me that the club might be closed already since it is late. He suggested that we go to Quang Ba instead.
Having heard mixed review about this, I am not sure if I wanted to go but, he convinced me to give it a try. I told him to drive me around Dong Ho to see if there are any good looking girls walking around. I did not see any given that it is so late so, I decided to continue on to Quang Ba. We got there and found that all of the houses are closed except for a massage place next to the Quang Ba hotel. He is at lost at this time so he decided to go ask. The girls in the massage place point him to a house across the street w/o any outside sign. There were a guy standing outside of the house smoking. He went up and talk for a few minute then wave me over telling me that there are girls inside. I went in and saw there there are 3 guys inside. They were strung out on Weeds.
They told me that there are a few girls inside. I did not have a good vibe about it but, I decided to asked any way. I told him that I do not want to stay there but, I want to take a girl back to my hotel over-night. He told me that this is not possible. They do not allow the girls to leave the house. I left and told the drive I have outside that I don't want to stay here since I am not confortable with this place. At this time we spied two girls on a motobike coming up to the house. One took off into the house. The other was parking the bike. She had a nice body and was around 23-24. She first told me of a hotel near there here we can spend the night. I decline telling her that I have already paid for my room at my hotel and do not want to pay again for another.
My drive went off and to talk with her for a while. After some amount of talking she agreed to come back with me to my place. We settled on 700.000 for the night. I took her asided and asked her how much does she get and how much is she splitting with my driver. She told me 500.00 for her and 200.00 for him. I took her back to my hotel to find that the place was shutter shut tight! I had to bang on the shutters to get it open. I told the receptionist that this is my girl friend and she needs to park her bike inside. He nodded his head w/o saying anything. He was half asleeped!
I went back out, give my driver 300.000, 200.00 the girl promised and 100.000 for my trip. I told him to get pick up for me some beer, juice and water while I took the girl upstair to my room. About 15min later he came back with the drinks. I paid him 50.000 for it and he told me to save the bottles because he will need to return it for 10.000 deposit. I told him to meet me tomorrow at 1PM so that he can drive around to a few cat-toc places.
After some small talk, I found that the girl name is Dung. She is 24 year old, currently living with 2 other girls and her boy friend near in a single room studio Ho Kiem district for 400.000/month. She is 5feet, 115lbs, and about a 5 on my scale. It was about 1AM when we finished with the small chit chat. I told her to go take a shower and come to bed. At first I declined her offer to shower together but, after she went in I thought better of it and went in too so that I can check out her body. She has a petite body without and strecth mark. I comment on this and asked her if she has any kids. She told me that she was pregnant 5 times and has a 2 year old son. Her family lives in a village 150KM from Hanoi and her mom is currently taking care of her son. She goes back once a month to give her mom money for living.
We went to bed and started on missionary style. I found that she was so tight that I had to spend 30min working my way in. I wanted to change possitions but seeing that she was moaning so much, I didn't. We went at this until I amost came. I pulled out and tried to make her swallow but, she kept her mouth shut and keep pushing me away. So, I came on her chest.
As we lay there, I idly finger her pussy while I rest. After about 15 minutes of this, she started to hump my fingers. This caused me to have a hard-on again! I decided to stretch one of her leg up and unter her ass. She did not know that I was confused and did not know to stop me until it was too late. When I was completely in, she whimper some and tried to get away. But, I held on, telling her that she did not want to swallow so, I had to go in the back way and that I would only stop if she agree to swallow. She would not. So, I went at her ass for 10min while she try her best to get away. She was finally above to pushed me completely out and cover her ass with her hands. So, I decided turn her around to shove it back into her pussy while fingering her ass. When I almost came, I tried to shove it in her mouth but, she would not open.
So, I ended up splatter her face instead.
After I finished, we shared a beer and chat a little more. I got her mobile phone number and asked her about her girl friend I saw came to Quang Ba with her. She told me that her friend is 20 and prettier than she is. I told her to bring her friend over tomorrow night and I'll give her 200.000 referal fee and her friend 500.000. She agreed. It was about 4Am at this time, I was dead tired having just got in on the flight at 10AM. So, we went to sleep. I just woke up a few hours ago, got my break fast and wanted to delivered this for your enjoyment.
I'll keep you posted about tonight once it is over. Saturaday and Sunday, I planned to head to Ha Long then maybe Do Son. It is both scary and exciting to go solo here.
---Z
OK. Since this forum seemed a bit dead, I can't resist another report before I head off to dinner. I wanted to go to one of the big club inside 1 of the 3 major hotels but, I never got a chance to. Just came back from checking out two cat-toc places. I found out that there are many legit cat-toc places around town. Most will have the door wide open and actual people inside getting a hair cut. I called the same xe-om guy I had earlier and we drove around town searching for cat-toc places. We found the following which you guys can use to look 1. the places usually have closed glass door. 2. the places usually says cat-toc tam-hoi goi-dao. Directly inside the door there are no customer but, 3 to 4 girls sitting around. Pick the one you want and tell her you want to go to the back on the bed. I found a couple of places on Phan the Hung and Pham Thi Xuan. I walked in to both and decided to pick a tall light skin girl from the place in Phan The Hung.
She took me to the back and started undressed me and wash me with a wet towel. I tried to take her clothes off but, she would not go for it. She kiss all over my body then started to give me a BBBJ. While her head was down, I reach around her back and un-snap her bras. She complains a but, I told her that her top is still on so, she stop complaining. She went at it lightly for about 30min. Everytime I am near to finish and started to push her head deeper, she would choke and stop. This went on for about 15 more minutes and I lost interested. Sensing this she asked if she can bring in another girl. This perk my interest even more so, I accepted. She went out and came back shortly. I asked her who did she picked. She told me that she picked a stronger and fatter girl to help out. I jokingly told her that she is doing this because she is lazy. But, I accept anyway. She started to work on my upper half while her friend take over the BBBJ.
Both of them went at this for about 30min. I could not resist anymore and as I near complete, I tried to jam one of the girl head down but, she jerked away. So, I splattered on both of them. After this is done, we talked for a bit they asked if I would take them home after work. I told them that I would think about it but, I'll take their phone number ahead of time. I got dressed and paid the second girl 100.000dong and the first 200.000 dong. All in all, this was not that bad. I had two girls double team for about $20USD for almost 2 hours. I just want to dropped of a quick note before heading off to dinner in case anyone is following this saga. My local number is 091-3578850. I would love to meet over a Hanoi local beer. I have set up another meeting with a local girl just came from the country-side and her room-mate for tonight at 10PM. So, I won't be posting anything else until tomorrow. I had wanted to go to the line up at the major hotel but, it looks as if I have to hold off for another day!
---Z
Hi everyone,
Great to read some good posts lately.
Zergut, can you be more precise on some of the places you have visited such as street names and street numbers if you still remember.
This will be my first trip to Hanoi so I need more info form you guys out there.
I will arrive in Hanoi on the 12th of October so if anyone would like to have a few drinks with me just let me know.
Going to Hanoi for first time this weekend. Would appreciate a quick summary of key do's, don'ts, where to go and prices for fun with the ladies. Also, I booked the Win hotel. Anyone know if it is friendly? If anyone will be in Hanoi next week and wants to grab a beer, let me know.
Thanks!
Can anyone recommend a girl-friendly small hotel near the Opera Hilton? I'm looking for something clean and less than $25 per night where I can go for S/T when I'm not at the Hilton.
Thank you.
Canyon
Is there anything like a strip club in Hanoi? If so, what goes on there? Any live sex shows or toy shows?
Had brief but pleasant visit to Hanoi last week. Stopped by Hanoi Hotel with friends and found the choice of girls to be terrific, very much better than on prior visits. Agree that lighting was a bit dim in the karaoke room but managed to find a 23 year old beauty who spoke Mandarin and English. Did not take her out that night but arranged to meet the next day at the Daewoo. We had a great session, did some shopping together at the Plaza in downtown Hanoi, had lunch, ice cream, etc. A nice GFE experience.
Total cost was about $70 which included some groceries. Well worth it and now have something to look forward to on subsequent visits.
First off, sorry about the late following. I had tons of time during the first few days of my visit until I met a local expert then it was no time to spare at all!
Initially I stayed at the Prince 2 hotel and found that the management there were not very girl friendly. I have booked the room for double but, the manager keeps asking for papers of the girls I brought back! Many of the girls I brought back did not have their papers with them and this brought me endless problems.
Luckily I met up with a very knowledgable local expert and she was able to help me out. She does not speak English but had a friend who translate everything for her over the phone. I had her set me up with a different girl every night of my stay there for a fee of $100.000VD for her and $500.000VD for the girl for all nighter or $350.000 for short time. She also set me up with a hotel about 10 min from the center for $200.000 night or $60.000 short time.
The hotel is the best I stayed at for that price range! It is large by the VN standard and had tons of wood inside and the management hands out free condom on demand. The hotel management would also set me up with as many girls as I wanted but, I did not partake since I had a personal assistant. Each day she would take me around Hanoi showing me around and at night she would have a girl ready for me back at my new hotel.
The first time she sent me a girl, I had to return because she was not my type. After that, the girls where better. Now that I am back in the States, I'll include their photo once I have some times. Since my trip was "managed," I was not able to keep track of the street names.
I told my assistant that my trip was only to meet girls and that I want a sensory overload. So, in the daytime, she would bring me to Quang Ba, to hair-cut places, and even to set me up with her girls for short times. Each of my encounter averaged about $350.000VD or about $23USD. Before my all nighter, she would take me around to eat at the street stands, restaurants, and local hang outs. I averaged about $10USD to $20USD a day for food, depending on how many of her friends I was inviting along. She also took me to New Century, Daewoo, Sofitel, and Hanoi hotel. The clubs in the hotels had tons of girls but none of them would go back with me to my place. I was able to get many phone numbers to call the next day/night but, I did not follow-up since it was too much work. The New Century dance club was nice but, the girls there were too pushy and average look was around 5-8 and I did not see any 9-10.
I be more specific on my next posting. I just got back and a bit swamp with catching up at work. I am planning to be back in Hanoi toward the end of November again. But, this time, I want something different!
Just a comment about the Daewoo Hotel. I stayed there 2 years ago. Several of us picked up girls at one of the discos in town and brought them back to the Daewoo. The front desk manager immediately jumped on us as we approached the elevators and demanded a companion charge of around $40 for each of us.
That may have changed since then, but it wasn't entirely girl-friendly as stated in a recent post.
Anyone have any experience in the Da Nang resort area?
Hello,
Have to be on stopover in Hanoi this week. Anyone suggestions for cheap GF place?
Thank you
Meindert
Since I am planning a trip to HCMC, I started to go through my old notes and found a few things I thought people might find interesting:
- There's a hotel in the outskirt of town right across from the Long Bien/Chuong Duong bridge NE of Hanoi which is owned by a high ranking officer. It is VERY girl friend and you can rent the place by the hour or over-night. The front desk even provide condom for free but, you have to ask for it. Most of the locals go there with their dates. In a pinch, you can also ask the front desk to get you a girl. There was a guy working there who can speak English the last time I was there in September.
Hotel price: 80,000VND short time, 180,000-200,000VND overnight
girl: 350,000VND short time, 500,000VND overnight
(Hotel) Nam Hai, (Street) Doc Cam, (Area) 27 To, (neighboorhood) Ngoc Lam, (City) Long Bien. Phone: 8730633
- There are also a few *****house in Quan Ba where you can come in, pick a girl, take here to a room for a short time or overnight. I go there early in the day for the best pick. Late at night most of the girls go home to their family. No one there speak English but, I had a translator with me. I would recommend you find a local guide to go with you. Unless you can speak VNmese. There are usually 4-10 girls at each house. The price for the house include the fee for the girl. but, the girls do not get any of it so, you should tip them something.
Hotel price: 120,000VND short time, 350,000VND overnight
girl: I usually give 100,000VND tip at the end
(Hotel) Dam Trau, 9/A12 - Dam Trau, Hai Ba Trung, Ha Noi. Phone: 9841775. Manager: Do Trong or Nguyen Trong Quang
There are also a few cat-toc-nam place I found. Most are on the street "Hoan Hoa Tham" near the "cancer research hospital." I did not copy down the address since I just told the xe-om guy to take me there. There are usually 4-5 girls inside. Most do not speak English but, some do.
House price: 50,000VND
girl: I usually tip from 150,000VND to 350,000VND
One thing that many of you may not know is that you can ask for more than 1 girl here. I had a 3-some at one time for 400,000VND. No full service buy it is still nice to see both girls working on my shaft at the same time.
I also went into the Sofitel, Daewoo, and Horrison clubs and I found that they are expensive and a waste of time. Either there are very few girls and not very pretty or you have to go through the standard fare of paying for a girl to sit with you and pay for the drink just soyou can get a phone number to call her the next day. Unless you have time to burn, I would stay away from that.
That's it from my old file. I'll post a new one after my HCMC trip. Overall, I found Hanoi to be fun but not a place where I would go to more than once. I would rather head off to cat Ba, Halong, or Do Son instead.
---Z
Hi everyone!
Need some answers from someone who knows VN well. I am going to Hai Duong (about 50km east of Hanoi) in Feb. 2005 to visit some viet friends there. I have been once before but with viet friends from home so no language problems that time. But there will be this time but that will be my problem. Anyway, since I am going to stay with my viet friends living there and I suspect they will be with me most of the time, girls will be hard to find. Or? What is the traditional view on sex among young people in northern VN. Last time I was there it was only for 10 days so I waited till I came back to Thailand but now I will stay for 3-4 weeks. Is it possible for a foreigner to get sex from a young, single "good" girl in north VN without promising a wedding? What is their view? And if that is out of the question, is there a general way to find bar girls or other prostitutes? I mean like a red light in the window or just to ask girls who are out after 10 pm or something. Or is it just to ask someone else? Who is best to ask? I will not ask my friends.
Swedtraveller
swedtraveller,
I suggest you hook-up with a local monger friend. I was taken to this hotel/resort place about 45 minutes outside of Hanoi on the way back from the golf course with girls available for 20US$, including the room. The girls were very nice and accomodating. I am sure there are similar places near where you will be staying.
OAH
Thanks OAH,
I will check that out when I get there. Do you remember the name and site of the place? You are playing golf in VN? Any good?
Swedtraveller
swedtraveller,
I have not checked this thread in awhile. Sorry I did not reply sooner.
Unfortunately, I did not get the name of the place. We just stopped on the way back. One of the guys I was playing golf with knew the place. I've been a member of Kings Valley since the beginning. IMHO, the course is just average. It takes nearly one hour to get out there from Hanoi. They are building another 18 holes there which will be done soon. I reckon the courses in HCMC are better. Vietnam is not yet a golf destination though. Thailand is still a much better place for golf and mongering.
OAH
Hi fellow mongers,
I am from Bombay India and am coming in to Hanoi for one night on the 18th of December. Staying at the Sheraton. Any leads on how to get laid will be most appreciated. Fellow mongers can also meet up for a drink at the hotel.
If I remember correctly, the Sheraton is in the same area as the Quanh Ba brothels. It may even be on the same street. Maybe some of the Hanoi veteran mongers can confirm this. Having said that, I still recommend New Century for better quality at reasonable prices.
[QUOTE=Member #2634]Hi fellow mongers,
I am from Bombay India and am coming in to Hanoi for one night on the 18th of December. Staying at the Sheraton. Any leads on how to get laid will be most appreciated. Fellow mongers can also meet up for a drink at the hotel.[/QUOTE]
I have had a mixed bag od experiences here in Hanoi:
1. Girls will approach on their motor bikes and proposition you for a massage. Costs have been between USD20-30. Though, one somehow stole a $20 bill from me which I did not realize to the next day. Pretty crafty that vixen, usually I'm good with that stuff.
2. They have *great* bodies, dare I say slimmer than the Thai girls I have experienced in the past. And they are truly beautiful, some actually top heavy (strange in asia, right?)
3. Some girls approached me not inside, but rather upon leaving, the bar that is called "Relax Bar". Very attractive, but the one who made advances was a junkie (according to my driver). The reality is not always pretty, and I'm glad I was informed.
4. The ones I did take back, I was plently happy with. They all tell the same story of being school teachers. Go figure.
5. You can see many corners with 3 or 4 girls (accompanied by pimp) on some street corners in the french corner.
6. Moto- drivers seem more than happy to assist in mongering - all you must do is ask and they'll hook you up.
OK, sadly enough off I head back to my home this evening where even the cheapest session in NYC will cost more than a bad session here with a Hanoi ***** who steals my money - and the girl probably won't be as attractive to boot.
Big Bossman,
"2. They have *great* bodies, dare I say slimmer than the Thai girls I have experienced in the past. And they are truly beautiful, some actually top heavy (strange in asia, right?)"
Not so strange, my GF in Ha Noi is 4 ft nothing, around 45 kgs, so she seems busty, but I guess the same bust on a 6 ft European would be "flat". Of course there is a lot of padding used by some ladies, not to mention the triple underwired bras. Amazing pieces of engineering!!
There is massage and sauna place in local hotel on other side of the street (going away from lake) of Softiel. $5 for massage, then tip what you want to the girl. Mine was pretty, but quiet. Nice massage, then offer for hj. Told her to strip first...she resisted, but then exposed nice tits, and a great ass (face was uninspiring). Tipped her $5, she asked for more (I guess that what she was asking), so I gave her and extra $1, and she seemed happy enough.
Are there any places to go near the Hanoi Hilton?
Does the Hilton offer a massage?
I will be in Hanoi from Jan 21 until Feb 20 and would love to meet up with anyone on this board if you guys are around. I might take a couple of side trips outside of Hanoi and eventually down to HCMC. My local number when I get there will be: 0913578850 Give me a call.
---Z
There is plenty of action just outside the Hilton, many on motor bikes, $20 US, girls friendly and liberal, Hilton girl friendly.
There is a massage parlor accross the Hilton, a two hour massage is $6.00 US.
Thats right six dollars for two hours, I was offered a HJ for $15 more at the end.
Sorry for the delay, I've been back a month now and since Jackson changed the website I was unfamiliar with the layout.
Went to Hanoi to NewCentury, got a few freebie feels upstairs all nights that we went. Never took any home because I was just simply not interested. Its good to sit up there and just let them feel you all around and vice versa. Just buy them a drink and when the girl starts to gets down to business about $ for date, just tell her that it will depend on how much you like her. I'm not into all nighters and I like things done so I can be on my way and enjoy myself without worrying about some girl in my room.
Discovered this by accident: its a Hot Toc place on 32 Hang Buu.
Came in for to just get a nice shampoo and head massage and when they took me up stairs it was apparently obvious what was going on. They had heated lamps to keep us warm. Took clothes off and went directly for some great BBBJ. I asked to flip me over and for a rim job which she did. The girl took her time, roughly 45 min of BBBJ and rim job before i popped BBBJCIM. I gave her 100,000 tip on top of the 40,000 entrance fee. Came back next day had 2 girls give me the treatment. Definitely would recommend.
looks: 6
body: 8
attitude: 8
performance: 10
The massages are not as open as down in HCM but they are there. There is a street 2 streets behind Ngo Gach towards Hoan Kim lake, which has a hotel with massage. Great girls and great price. I went to many massage places in Hanoi and none compared. Sorry I have no idea what the name was. Its a big yellow sign that says "massage"
Very friendly attitude strictly HJ and you can date them afterwards but I opted not to.
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Hanoi GAy
You are a sad fucker.
This site is for gathering information, not a billboard for despicable pimps like you.
Go fuck yourself - I am sure no girl will ...
Hi Green Gopher,
I can't find the address you gave. Hot Toc place on 32 Hang Buu.
Do you mean "HANG BUN"?
I have called Hanoi Guy on two occasions. I am impressed that the girls have been able to come to my room even in girl-unfriendly hotels. The hotel had stopped me from bringing a girl that I had picked up at a pub up to my room citing Vietnam law and hotel policy unless I got another room for the girl...crazy!!! But when I called Hanoi Guy, the girl appeared at my room door in less than 30 minutes. On another occasion, had two girls at the same time. One of them looked alot like my colleague from work, so had a great fantasy banging her. The 3 girls that I tried so far have been 7-8 in looks. Thanks Hanoi Guy.
Dear all
I received an offer to work in Vietnam as a store executive, exact location don't know yet. Can anyone tell me is it safe considering the bird flu outbreak happened not long ago? Is it safer in major cities compared to rural areas? How about other factors I should weigh in my consideration? I am a Malaysian, 28 years old. The contract is for 3 years, every 4 months I can come back for a few days. Hope no one flames me for posing a non-mongering question, but I need to think of my personal safety first.
Thank you
Dude, relax, it's safe.
Unless you're planning some voodoo rituals with chicken corpses.
Check out the WHO website, or whatever, if you have concerns.
2967
Decided to go Vietnam. Exact location Song Than 2 Industrial Zone, DiAn District, Binh Duong Province. Will bring along a digital camera for everyone's pleasure:D 2967 can we meet up and you teach me the ropes in V?
Actually I am not in Vietnam.
I went to Hanoi for a brief respite from Thailand a couple of weeks ago.
I will definitely return soon, Hanoi is very cool, you'll love it.
2967/CB
Song Than is actually 25 kms out of Ho Chi Minh City, eastwards.
Thanks ratu. I heard you don't need a license to ride a bike below 50cc. Guess I need to find one for easy travel. Humans are very contradictory, the day before I was undecided if I want to go, but now I can't wait for the day. In actual, I need to go to Muar, Johor for training 2 weeks-1 month period.
Do they make bikes smaller than 50cc?
To be honest, I don't think you need a licence for a motorbike of any size.
If you're worried about your health then riding a motorbike in Nam is a zillion times more likely to kill you than bird flu.
Member 2967,
I agree with you, it's very dangerous. All the vietnamese people I know have scars from motorcycle accident.
On top of it, remember there is not motorcycle insurance in Vietnam. So if you have an accident with a vietnamese guy, whoever is faulty, guess who will pay for the damage occured to this person and his motorcycle?
I read a few days ago that the police in Hanoi swept through upscale bars catering to Westerners and arrested about 100 Viet girls for prostitution. Anybody else familiar with what happened? Is Vietnam in the midst of one of its periodic crackdowns? Enquiring minds want to know.
There is plenty of action just outside the Hilton, many on motor bikes, $20 US, girls friendly and liberal, Hilton girl friendly.
There is a massage parlor accross the Hilton, a two hour massage is $6.00 US.
Thats right six dollars for two hours, I was offered a HJ for $15 more at the end
Dear John,
Will be going to Hanoi in 2 week times for business trip, its my 1st time in vietnam... & will be staying in Hilton. You mentioned above on the motor bikes girls... How do i approach them? How much its cost for overnight?
Appreciate your prompt reply.
Report continuing from Ho Chi Minh City.
Hanoi is totally different from HCMC. No girlie bars (a plus in my opinion, given the low level in HCMC). Somebody told me about street action about the Hilton, did not try. I tried Cat Toc instead. These are barber shops, usually packed together with karaoke bars in some streets, and totally absent in the rest of town. Tried a street called Bui Thi Xuan, in southern Hanoi. At least 6 karaoke and as many Cat Toc. I sat in a "normal" bar to see the flow. Saw many ladies coming out of karaoke to have lunch or go home: not a single one worth a look. Been in 3 Cat Toc, always found 3 or 4 girls waiting, usually one is ok. Prices from 200.000 to 300.000 with or without tip, with or without condom, with or without fuck, well it is a real mess, every place has different rules (every girl has different rules...). If no fuck, sometimes you can touch, sometimes not, it is a bit of an adventure. Coming from Thailand, however, quality is a bit disappointing and everything quite badly organized, not mentioning the fact that usually you cannot see the ladies from outside, you have to walk in.
Disco scene: not tested, I do not like discos, but the bellboy said it is worth a look, well good luck to you all. Follows in Other areas section.
Hotel: Pacific. New, clean, good staff, free ADSL in room if you have a laptop! Paid 22 usd per night including excellent breakfast, but again no windows in my room: Vietnam hotels are not for claustrophobics!
Follows in Vietnam, Other Areas section.
FWIW
Recently spent a couple days in Hanoi prior to a trip to Sapa and several days in Bac Ha.
I rang up HanoiGuy and about 30 minutes later a beauty arrived at my door at the Horison. She was great and it was the most effortless lay I have ever had in Hanoi.
Thanks HanoiGuy.
qxguy
Was my 1st trip to Hanoi. It's was a great to visit. I must say..
Some girls on their motobike was hot.
For 1st timers, you may want to visit pub like 17 saloon-live band concept and club like Fifty Fity-where they play house music. And of coz New Century Disco where you can find some girls standing beside the bar counter. Just have some eyes contact with them. They will come over. Overnite is about 50 till 60 USD pending your negotitation skills
Called up hanoi guys to arrange for an overnight.
The girl appears at the lobby was great. However, she didnt bring her ID along. Didnt manged to get her into the room.
Lesson to be learn. If you're staying in a 5 star hotel... make sure the girl bring along a ID.
Thank Hanoi Guys for arrangement. Maybe next times then.
Hi Gents,
First post, but twenty years in Asia and look forward to contributing.
Does anyone have insight on what is going on in Hanoi? Karaoke bars are under siege, not that I'm big on Karaoke, but understand there have also been busts in clubs.
I've been to HCMC a few times over the last couple of months though and seems business as usual.
AR
Further to my earlier posting, I called Hanoi Guy because I really did not want to be out and about figuring all of this out. Inside of 30 minutes a Hanoi Hottie arrived at my door and she truly was. Price was as advertised, $30, although I topped it up.
On balance, I think Hanoi Guy provides incredible value for those not dead set on saving $10 and spending the time to do that. Just my POV.
AR
If there is a crackdown going on, I may be missing it. The girls are all still out, but my hotel did refuse to allow a girl to come to my room in the day time, said the Police were checking, but last night I got one in with no problem. It appears that the hotel policy (whatever it is in regards to this) depends on who is on duty.
The New Century Disco have girls galore standing around, I always get the one I don't want to try to cling on to me initially, you don't even have to approach them, they come right up to you. I'll post some of my adventures later, too tired right now, so I'm off to bed. It's raining in Hanoi right now, but still humid as hell.
Another amusing tale albeit that the chicken had been fed too much !!
Was on a visit to a supplier recently and had to go into the provinces - about 150Km from Hanoi and a short hop from the border. Anyway in the course of our discussions our hosts decided to offer a gift to us to seal the deal and that saw a knock on the door in the middle of the night. Now this was supposedly courtesy of the local tv station - which under normal circumstances would have been interesting.
All that can be said is that she laid back and took it for Vietnam but with the passion of a wet slab. Perhaps being a gweilo (White man to the non-Asian crew) was the main event but it was akin to stuffing a banana up an exhaust pipe and humping that.
Needless to say the next morning when the crew turned up we all said what a night it had been and very enjoyable - why ruin a good relationship for the sake of a poor lay - you never know hte next trip may offer better fruit !!
Tried the Restaurant and Karaoke club at SO 70 NGUYEN TRUONG TO. Probably the most expensive session in Hanoi by local standards. I was led into the Karaoke room and had a choice of about 8 girls to choose from. All average,but one was was about a 7, choose her, she ate like a chimp, they have a basket full with goodies (Chips, cookies, candy) on the table, and she just gorged herself. All the while my hands are exploring her body, finally figured out that I would have to pay for the stuff she's hogging down, so I sent for the manager, negotiated to take the girl out, the stuff from the basket on the table she ate along with the drinks came to about $24.00, she wanted $40.00 because she said she was new still fresh.
She did look refreshing and the deal was for her to come to my hotel in an hour's time, either she didn't show up or they didn't let her in so I left my room and got massage with extras from the Cat Toc down the road from the Hotel.
Personally think if the other Karaoke's are similar and they probably are then they may be over rated and surely overpriced, but I had to try one. You can get much better and cheaper results from the streets or even the resident agent provider on this board who has a pretty good selection.
Big shout out to the Dong Do Hotel located at 146 Giang Vo Str, they provide excellent services at a very reasonable rate and to top it off, they have a Massage Joint upstairs, $6.00 for 1.5 hours, got serviced from this absolutely Gorgeous Princess, who started with a hand job about 45 mins into the session. I motion to her to use her mouth, but she said she couldn't because of the Manager and Police so after some playing around I stopped her, I mean why go for a HJ when ready mouths are easily available else where. I would say this Massage Shop tops the one across from the Hilton in terms of price and quality.
I also discovered that it’s cheaper to book directly with some hotels when coming over here as opposed to going through some travel services. The Heritage Hotel charges $15.00 per night but my poor buddy paid $40.00 per night through wired destination, although the Heritage is on the low end in terms of quality and appearance in my view and it listed as a three star hotel. Phone number for the Heritage is 8351414 and to book rooms you can also use [url]http://www.asiatravel.com/vietnam.html[/url] but as I said its may be cheaper to call the hotel directly.
The Hanoi Hotel is also another excellent upscale hotel and you can book through their web site. Wish I knew all this stuff before I cam over here. The website for the Hanoi Hotel (5 Star) is [url]http://www.hanoihotel.com.vn/[/url]
Two of my favorite places to eat are the Aladin Cafe near the Dong Do Hotel. Excellent food, imagine a full course meal and dessert for $8.00, I'm with this, the other place is Pepperonis Pizza and Cafe and they have locations all over in including HCMC, but there's this cute waitress that works there that I'm working on, Oh! Is she a lovely one?
couple of interesting stories. be careful out there and have a little extra pocket in case you need to bribe or post your bail.
hanoi police bust korean-run prostitution ring
tue may 31, 2005 4:00 am bst
:mad:
hanoi (reuters) - hanoi police have detained a south korean accused of running a prostitution ring catering to south korean businessmen and tourists, state media reported on tuesday.
the 46-year-old man was detained as he boarded a flight to seoul on monday for questioning about sex trade at a karaoke lounge he owns in the capital, the hanoi police-run an ninh thu do reported.
police detained at least 50 women on saturday in a crackdown on rampant prostitution, just a few days after the government ordered "social evils" such as commercial sex and drugs stamped out and suspended the issue of new licences for bars and clubs.
prostitution is illegal but widespread in vietnam, where personal income has been rising as the communist government liberalises the economy.
this week police said they sent a singer/actress to a re-education camp on evidence she was involved in a high-class call girl ring charging $500 to $1,000.
and this :o
hanoi police have uncovered a prostitution ring which mainly served foreign clients at hotels around the city, according to the authorities.
forty-seven girls were arrested when investigators raided the heritage, bao son, and thuy quynh hotels – part of the ring may 28.
the ring leader is a woman called nguyen thi thu huong living in hanoi who has “selected” girls from other cities and provinces to work for her ring.
and this :rolleyes:
hanoi busts biggest ecstasy den, 206 arrested
more than 100 policemen shut down a huge ecstasy ring at a bar in capital hanoi city june 1, arresting 206 people including the bar managers.
police raided the 300-square-meter bar on bui thi xuan street in hai ba trung district early wednesday morning, confirep001ing nine pills, two packets of drug-related medicine and large quantities of liquids and tools used to mix drugs.
policemen also temporarily seized 82 motorbikes, four cars, wine cups and beer glasses for further investigation as well as documents and music equipment.
thirty of the 206 people tested positive for drugs in their [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord109][CodeWord109][/url] tests.
this is the seventh and biggest ecstasy den discovered in hanoi in the past month.
and finally this :rolleyes:
hanoi police will conduct a general inspection of all night clubs, karaoke bars and hotels in the capital city to uncover any illegal activities like prostitution or drug use, said a senior officer.
the hanoi police department is determined to carry out the inspection campaign following a recent drug bust at huong xuan karaoke bar.
ten people allegedly involved in the bar’s illegal drug activities have been arrested for further investigation, said police
I visit Hanoi fairly regularly and stay at Metropole for business reasons and my secretary's force of habit. The massage at Metropole is definitely G-rated and in-room massages are not possible for male guests. Interestingly, though, one time when my wife accompanied me, she was able to arrange one. As the little darling arrived, I lusted over her and the lost opportunity before extinguishing same in the Met Pub happy hour. Bride later reported the massage was not so good, but I know it would have been if I was the massagee.
Anyway, given the additional attention our hobby is getting from Hanoi LE and wanting to avoid the obvious and perhaps targeted locations, not to mention again Met Rules, I wondered are there decent hotels in Hanoi where a R rated massage might be arranged (assume X is out of the question) by booking into their "Health Club" even if you are not a hotel occupant? Anyone with any experience on walk-in options?
Thanks guys,
Cheers, AR
Want a real hottie knocking at your door in the Hanoi area after 20 minutes? Want to pay the correct price the seasoned guys on WSG told you without the usual bargaining hassle? Send me a PM for more details (sorry, it's not possible to put the phone number in WSG)
Hanoi Guy has some quality girls but some hotels are not allowing you to bring in any unregistered guest. This is the result of the recent bust/crackdown. I had problems bringing in two girls lately to my room and had to go to a cheap (er) hotel to complete the deed.
[QUOTE=Hanoi Guy]Want a real hottie knocking at your door in the Hanoi area after 20 minutes? Want to pay the correct price the seasoned guys on WSG told you without the usual bargaining hassle? Send me a PM for more details (sorry, it's not possible to put the phone number in WSG)[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Run Mann]Hanoi Guy has some quality girls but some hotels are not allowing you to bring in any unregistered guest. This is the result of the recent bust/crackdown. I had problems bringing in two girls lately to my room and had to go to a cheap (er) hotel to complete the deed.[/QUOTE]Totall agreed... I exprience it when i was staying in Hotel, the hotel management required an I.D. Card of the girls as they need to keep it with them incase the police is doing their routine check.
The hotel guest (who rented the hotel room) is required to acknowedge a form. The hotel front desk is very sharp & security is tight. No way to out run them
However, Hanoi Guy contact was great. It's was not bad. I called by the front desk officer to bring the girl up to my room.
Well, maybe next time then.
No tree ever grows to the sky. There has been many crackdowns in the past and there will be many more in the future. Yet, none has ever lasted more than 2 or 3 weeks. The reason is simple: crackdowns are ordered by the top commies in power (the virtuous ones????), but they are not in the interest of local cops. You know why, unlike Japan or Hongkong, there's almost no organized crime in VN? Because the biggest gang is called "the cop boys". So enjoy!
PS. usually, when news about a crackdown gets to you, it's already at its end.
The truth about crackdowns is that they don't last forever. There have been many in the past and there will be many in the future. Ordered by the top commies in power, they are not in the interest of local cops. The reason why there is, unlike Hongkong or Japan, almost no orgranized crime in VN is that the biggest gang is called "the cop boys". Usually, when news about a crackdown gets to everyone, including foreign tourists, the event itself is near its end. Personally, I have never seen a crackdown that lasts longer than 2, 3 weeks. So enjoy life as usual!
you very well may be right, but no one can afford to get busted for prostitution in your own country much less someone else's at any time. you certainly don’t want to be convicted and have your name placed on some international watch list for prostitution.
some of this stuff may also be driven by the good ole usa list of countries that aren't doing enough to combat prostitution and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] (although vietnam was not on the list and this crackdown started before that list was released). some countries are bending over to show the u.s and the world that they're not a haven for "johns" and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. whatever the reason, all mongers should proceed with extreme caution at all times. the cops in vietnam sure seem serious about this crackdown to me, just look at some of the many crackdown stories from this vietnam website, [url]http://thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=7146[/url]
[url]http://thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=7005[/url]
[url]http://thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=6969[/url]
[url]http://thanhniennews.com/society/?catid=3&newsid=6954[/url]
i'm keeping a close watch on the outcome of the trial of the south korean man being tried for organizing prostitution. the cops certainly have my attention with this crackdown. i won't stop mongering, but i'm operating at deliberate speed, and i hope you're right in saying the crackdown is almost over.
[quote=hanoi guy]the truth about crackdowns is that they don't last forever. there have been many in the past and there will be many in the future. ordered by the top commies in power, they are not in the interest of local cops. the reason why there is, unlike hongkong or japan, almost no orgranized crime in vn is that the biggest gang is called "the cop boys". usually, when news about a crackdown gets to everyone, including foreign tourists, the event itself is near its end. personally, i have never seen a crackdown that lasts longer than 2, 3 weeks. so enjoy life as usual![/quote]
Totally agree with Run Mann. The USA pressure is exascerbated by VN's WTO aspirations and need for US support. Tried a MP tonight, Friends Club, located at 5 Dien Bien Phu St., 3/F, where the railroad tracks cross the street. Not bad and far superior to the place across from the Hilton. Shower, sauna, massage (1 hr.) VND60,000, HJ what you negotiate. I gave her $20 and did not get the sense that additional services were available there. A real cutie and fun, I tried and failed (maybe language difficulties) to get her HP number, but I think that could be developed over time.
AR
Think this is my first post. Anyway just come back from Hanoi and the crackdown was very noticable. I was staying in the Daewoo and not really being that game to venture too far I just went to Club Q. Quite a number of very nice girls. I choose one and asked her how much to go to the hotel and she said it wasn't possible, too many police (I didn't realise about the crackdown until I came home and read this) which was a pitty. In the Q she was more than happy to wank me, let me finger her and also the occasional quick lick of the cock but that was it. Cost me about $20 on the hotel bill for entertainment, and a $10 tip which was probably too much.
The next time I went back another girl sat down and tried to talk me into going back to my room which I though odd, but didn't bother she was probably one of the ugly ones there. I just spent a good time with the girl from the time before for same price which was good enough, again she wouldn't go to the room because of the police!
Maybe next time, VN women are the prettiest I've ever seen, especialy in their own country.
Gents,
Responding to my own earlier inquiry, I was back in Hanoi for a meeting at Sofitel Plaza about a week later, but staying at Metropole. After the meeting, I visited their Fitness Centre and inquired about the possibility of a massage, No problem la. Good massage, HJ finish and telephone number for outcalls which I took advantage of a couple of days ago. Total GFE, FS, finishing doggy on balcony. Gotta love it!
Cheers,
AR
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]Gents,
Responding to my own earlier inquiry, I was back in Hanoi for a meeting at Sofitel Plaza about a week later, but staying at Metropole. After the meeting, I visited their Fitness Centre and inquired about the possibility of a massage, No problem la. Good massage, HJ finish and telephone number for outcalls which I took advantage of a couple of days ago. Total GFE, FS, finishing doggy on balcony. Gotta love it!
Cheers,
AR[/QUOTE]Good to know Metropole offers this service. I will try it out next time. I was in Hanoi last week too and stayed in the Fortuna Hotel. They have a great health spa there too. On the 25th floor looking over the city. Better still, I was able to call and have the girl brought up to my room. Good massage plus FS!!! Girl was good looking fantastic skin and complection. She also had a great attitude. Was quite expensive bc the hotel charged $25 for the service and gave the girl 1 mil (about $64us). I think it was worth it. Totally no hassles and a good time! Got her number too so next time will not have to pay the $25 to the Hotel!
Does Metropole offer room service?
[QUOTE=Saigon Sam]Good to know Metropole offers this service. I will try it out next time. I was in Hanoi last week too and stayed in the Fortuna Hotel. They have a great health spa there too. On the 25th floor looking over the city. Better still, I was able to call and have the girl brought up to my room. Good massage plus FS!!! Girl was good looking fantastic skin and complection. She also had a great attitude. Was quite expensive bc the hotel charged $25 for the service and gave the girl 1 mil (about $64us). I think it was worth it. Totally no hassles and a good time! Got her number too so next time will not have to pay the $25 to the Hotel!
Does Metropole offer room service?[/QUOTE]SS,
Good on you! Just to clarify, the walk-in massage mit HJ was at Sofitel Plaza. Given the behaviour of my masseuse once I got her outside of the hotel a few weeks later, I'm sure FS is doable in the room where massage is available at Sofitel Plaza. They charge $25 in fitness centre and $40 in room.
As for the Metropole, I inquired about room massages about three years ago and was told not possible for male guests. Since then, I've stayed there many times and just left it at that and done my mongering elsewhere.
AR
Will arrive at Noi Bai in October and I am going straight to the buses that will take me east on the road to Halong Bay. What is the best way to go from Noi Bai to the buses? How much should that be? Are there any dos and donts when it comes to Noi Bai Airport? I know this is no sex related question but you guys who have some good (or bad) experience could perhaps answer me.
Thanks
The Wolf just arrived in Hanoi but is with a team of colleagues and cannot give the get out the way he wants.... too bad.
Any body could refer to me Hanoi Guy contact number. I guess he may help me.
Many thanks in advance.
Wolf
I am taking a much needed break from Guangzhou life and will be in Hanoi for 4 days. Any suggestions for comfortable, girl friendly reasonably priced hotels to stay in?
Thanks,
Ramekin
Hi swedtraveller,
First of all I have never been to Hanoi before, but I already planned a trip in Oct-05 and did get the following info for "HOW to GET FROM AIRPORT to CITY". You have 3 chooice:
1. Meter Taxi will cost you $10 USA to the city.
2. Sinh travel will arrange a private car to pick you up for $14 USD.
3. Vietnam Airline Bus will drop you off at Hanoi's office for $2 usd, then you need to get a local taxi to where you want to go . more than likely will be less than $2.
If you want to go fron Hanoi to Halong, you need a private car. That will cost you.
AP
[QUOTE=Ramekin]I am taking a much needed break from Guangzhou life and will be in Hanoi for 4 days. Any suggestions for comfortable, girl friendly reasonably priced hotels to stay in?
Thanks,
Ramekin[/QUOTE]If you got significant answers to your request, I would apreciate if you could forward them to me.
Thanks a lot
DirtyOldMan
[QUOTE=Ramekin]I am taking a much needed break from Guangzhou life and will be in Hanoi for 4 days. Any suggestions for comfortable, girl friendly reasonably priced hotels to stay in?
Thanks,
Ramekin[/QUOTE]If you got significant answers to your request, I would apreciate if you could forward them to me.
I could transmit to you what I already gathered on this point.
Thanks a lot,
Dirty Old Man
Hi guys, I searched the forum with only a few old posts. I will be likely arriving to Hanoi and staying at the Hilton in a few days. Is the action still going on on the street around the hotel? Any particular area or random on the street?
Any advice woulld be greatly appreciated.
Hey, I remember reading a while back on here that someone had gone off to play golf outside of Hanoi and was then shown a hotel resort on the way back that was full of Viet /Chinese girls. Remember that the guy was vague about exactly where this is. Anybody heard or have any details about this place?
Thanks AP. I will take your advice. Does your source tell you if it is ok to take the Vietnam Airline bus even is you are arriving with another airline. I am flying with Thai. I am, whatever option I choose, going to the bus station for buses going east, Ben Xe Gia Lam, will that be I guess. I have some friends in a city called Hai Duong which is on the way to Halong.
Swedtraveller,
I got the info from two different tours book "Forbe" and "Lonely Planet". Both books did not mention only available for Vietnam airline customers, I guess it is available for all.
AP
It has been a while since I last checked my PM box. Thank you all for writing to me. Unfortunately, I have recently moved to a new business line, so I can no longer arrange services for you guys. Sorry & again, thanks for all the support! BB
PS: This has nothing to do with the crackdown, which, as far as I know, is over.
This is really sad news, as someone who used Hanoi Guy's service in the past he always provided me with top notch ladies. Hope someone else can take over for you, in any case thanks and good luck in whatever your new venture is.
[QUOTE=Hanoi Guy]It has been a while since I last checked my PM box. Thank you all for writing to me. Unfortunately, I have recently moved to a new business line, so I can no longer arrange services for you guys. Sorry & again, thanks for all the support! BB
PS: This has nothing to do with the crackdown, which, as far as I know, is over.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hanoi Guy]It has been a while since I last checked my PM box. Thank you all for writing to me. Unfortunately, I have recently moved to a new business line, so I can no longer arrange services for you guys. Sorry & again, thanks for all the support! BB
PS: This has nothing to do with the crackdown, which, as far as I know, is over.[/QUOTE]Hanoi Guy,
This is not good news for we mongerers, but I hope a better opportunity for you. I also hope you can pass the baton. Thanks for consistently delivering what you professed to be able to do and my best wishes for your future success.
AR
[QUOTE=Hanoi Guy]It has been a while since I last checked my PM box. Thank you all for writing to me. Unfortunately, I have recently moved to a new business line, so I can no longer arrange services for you guys. Sorry & again, thanks for all the support! BB
PS: This has nothing to do with the crackdown, which, as far as I know, is over.[/QUOTE]Hey Hanoi Guy,
Sad to heard that. You have been helpful during my last trip to Hanoi.
Anyway, All The Best in your coming career.
Cheers
Last time in town was in June, when the crackdown was obiviously still in force. Whether it was the big boss of fortuna, or the karaoke club at Hanoi Hotel, I was not able to get any girl interested to come to my hotel. They all refused as "there are too many police searches" going on.
3 months now, I wonder if the action is back in town. I believe the nightclubs have the best quality of beautiful women; however, what alternatives are there in Hanoi for high quality women? I have been hugely disappointed with the selection offered at most massage parlours (unless there are some really upscale massage/spa spots I'm missing out on). Also, anyone contacts for highquality outcalls to the hotel? Please guide my picky dicky.
[QUOTE=Picky Dicky]Last time in town was in June, when the crackdown was obiviously still in force. Whether it was the big boss of fortuna, or the karaoke club at Hanoi Hotel, I was not able to get any girl interested to come to my hotel. They all refused as "there are too many police searches" going on.
3 months now, I wonder if the action is back in town. I believe the nightclubs have the best quality of beautiful women; however, what alternatives are there in Hanoi for high quality women? I have been hugely disappointed with the selection offered at most massage parlours (unless there are some really upscale massage/spa spots I'm missing out on). Also, anyone contacts for highquality outcalls to the hotel? Please guide my picky dicky.[/QUOTE]
Picky Dicky,
RTFF. See the exchange Saigon Sam and I had about hotel fitness centers, but MPs still suck. Last time I was in Hanoi, Clubs seemed more business as usual. Stay away from motobike girls.
Cheers, AR
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]Picky Dicky,
RTFF. See the exchange Saigon Sam and I had about hotel fitness centers, but MPs still suck. Last time I was in Hanoi, Clubs seemed more business as usual. Stay away from motobike girls.
Cheers, AR[/QUOTE]Did the Hanoi Hotel Night club. Biz IS back as usual. Great selection, and was able to bring back to hotel without any hassle. Damage US $21 for the club, US $80 for the girl (overnight). It's preferable to bring back to hotel overnight for multiple bangs, so $100 totally seemed justifiable. She was tall, slim, fair-skinned, young and quite pretty. Picky Dicky's B grade stuff. Look for Number 179 at the club.
Hi there,
Just though I'd pluck up the courage to ask a few stupid questions that have probably been asked and answered numerous times before.
Anyway, I'll be in Vietnam next week, my first trip and what like to know where the best places to pick up some suitably hot girls are. I'll be staying in the Melia Hanoi hotel (can I bring girls back here? Will they arrange girls?), so anywhere close to that would be great. On the board there are a few mentions of CAT TOK which I understand to be Barbers shops that dont cater just for haircuts. Sound a bit more realistically priced.
Anyway any advice would be appreciated.
This is my third time to Hanoi. I did not go to Vietnam almost 2 years. It made some change. The girl in Fortuna is change too. The price is the same with 2 years. $60 ST and $80 overnight. Most girls just want to ST and very rush.
Feel depressing for Hanoi girl.
Hey Ernie,
Please report back.
The Malia is a fancy hotel!
Also, they have listed 'massage services' on their website.
Look forward to hearing from you.
fs
Anybody been here lately?
Can you take the girls back to your room at the Daewoo now?
Last time I went it was the crackdown and none would come to my room.
Is the crackdown over now?
Hello,
I'm headed to Hanoi in Janaury and would like to know of any "guarenteed" guest friendly hotels? This seems to be issue without much info.
Thanks.
Old Guy
Police Search for Gary Glitter in Vietnam
Thu Nov 17, 7:56 AM ET
HANOI, Vietnam - Authorities said Thursday they are searching for former British rock star Gary Glitter over his alleged relationship with a Vietnamese teenager.
Foreign Ministry spokesman Le Dung said officials have confirmed that Glitter, 61, whose real name is Paul Francis Gadd, was residing in a home in southern Vung Tau city and had applied for permanent resident status in Vietnam.
Glitter rose to fame with glam-rock songs in the 1970s, most notably his only U.S. hit, "Rock and Roll Part 2," a largely instrumental song that has been a staple at stadium sporting events for years. Among his other songs hits were "I'm the Leader of the Gang (I Am)" and "Do You Wanna Touch."
Glitter fell from grace in 1999 when he was convicted in Britain of possessing child pornography. He served half of a four-month jail sentence before being released. He later went to Cambodia and was permanently expelled in 2002, though Cambodian officials did not specify his crime or file charges.
Dung said that Glitter had left the house on Nov. 12, and police are seeking his whereabouts.
"At present, relevant authorities Ba Ria Vung Tau province are trying to trace this gentleman, and clarify the relationship between this gentleman and a Vietnamese juvenile," he said.
Dung said authorities have conducted interviews with a 15-year-old girl who they found in the home rented by Glitter.
"If evidence of a (legal) violation is found against Mr. Paul Francis, and especially evidence of sexual child abuse, I believe that very strict legal measures will apply to him," he said.
In Vietnam, the crime of sexually abusing a child can lead to the death penalty.
... for child molestation, as an example for all decadent foreign devils.
meanwhile senior communist party members can freely molest, abuse or even murder anyone in vietnam without any accountability. hanoi's vice-minister of youth was caught [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a 14 year-old girl in a hanoi hotel last year. nobody in vietnam dares question why this dumb bastard never stood trial and was never accused of any crime.
if one goes into the jungle, one must be prepared to face the jungle's justice...
[quote=intransit]police search for gary glitter in vietnam
thu nov 17, 7:56 am et
hanoi, vietnam - authorities said thursday they are searching for former british rock star gary glitter over his alleged relationship with a vietnamese teenager.
foreign ministry spokesman le dung said officials have confirmed that glitter, 61, whose real name is paul francis gadd, was residing in a home in southern vung tau city and had applied for permanent resident status in vietnam.
in vietnam, the crime of sexually abusing a child can lead to the death penalty.[/quote]
[quote=one wing low]... for child molestation, as an example for all decadent foreign devils.
meanwhile senior communist party members can freely molest, abuse or even murder anyone in vietnam without any accountability. hanoi's vice-minister of youth was caught [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] a 14 year-old girl in a hanoi hotel last year. nobody in vietnam dares question why this dumb bastard never stood trial and was never accused of any crime.
if one goes into the jungle, one must be prepared to face the jungle's justice...[/quote]let's also talk about another "dumb bastard"...remember lt. william calley by any chance? ever been exposed to agent orange? iraq, afghanistan, guantanamo, etc., etc. are all examples of civilized behavior, right? talk about 'jungle' and 'jungle's justice'.
Please note that the DAEWOO is totally guest unfriendly.
Impossible to bring a guest at the moment.
I'm headed to Hanoi in Janaury and would like to know of any "guarenteed" guest friendly hotels? This seems to be issue without much info.
Thanks.
Old Guy[/QUOTE]
People like you and me may get death penalty in VN for the same crime. And we will get maximum jail time for the same crime in US. BUT, the top communist party member can get away with couple years in prison OR similarly Michael Jackson (or OJ) is forever a free man. It is difficult to judge, though, what system is fair just based on these extreme cases. However, in Western world everyone is considered innocent until proven otherwise. It is quite opposite that in VN. Which jungle is better?
[QUOTE=Pansted00]Please note that the DAEWOO is totally guest unfriendly.
Impossible to bring a guest at the moment.
Policies like this in Vietnan seem to change faster and more capriciously than any place else in Southeast Asia (although Thailand's nightlife regulations are running a close second).
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In my past trips to Hanoi, I was always able to bring back girls, both from the Q-Club, which is located on the hotel grounds, and from other places that are not connected with the hotel.
The Q-girls said they had to pay $30 out of their fee to security, but the outside girls seemed to get by without any payment as long as I walked them in and out. Maybe the staff was reluctant to confront anyone in my presence.
Pansted, would you describe exactly what you experienced that leads you to say that the Daewoo is not allowing girls in now?
[QUOTE=James Tran]People like you and me may get death penalty in VN for the same crime. And we will get maximum jail time for the same crime in US. BUT, the top communist party member can get away with couple years in prison OR similarly Michael Jackson (or OJ) is forever a free man. It is difficult to judge, though, what system is fair just based on these extreme cases. However, in Western world everyone is considered innocent until proven otherwise. It is quite opposite that in VN. Which jungle is better?[/QUOTE]Child molestation is TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE and should be dealt with accordingly. The govt official in Hanoi (should he be guilty) deserves the same punishment that should be accorded to those who can afford to pay-off parents of a minor because the 'justice' system allows them to BUY the best lawyers. In my humble opinion the world is screwed up as it is because of one 'power' (and its satellite states) believing that their system is better than others. Be as it may, ONE SIZE DOES NOT FIT ALL. When the 'Western world' acknowledges that we will all be safer.
To all others: I apologize for responsing to this and the previous message. 'Better than thou' attitudes seem to bring out the worst in me! I will not clutter this board with my responses to issues such as these any more.
We all know that there is no perfect system, thus, one-size-fits-all system just doesn't work. However, using this as an excuse to continue the existing uncivilized system also doesn't work. So does it sound like there is nothing the current regime can do to improve its system? This particular communist system we are talking about doesn't allow its citizens to participate in its change or modification. The citizens are at the mercy of Communist Party and its members. This is why democracy in Western world even if it is not perfect it is still the best.
Of course I am not here to advocate democracy the way pres Bush is doing. Forcefully applying a system on others is anti-democracy and therefore wrong. A good tool in certain hand can be beneficial or harmful to others. A bad tool will always be harmful.
[quote=haiphong]child molestation is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with accordingly. the govt official in hanoi (should he be guilty) deserves the same punishment that should be accorded to those who can afford to pay-off parents of a minor because the 'justice' system allows them to buy the best lawyers. in my humble opinion the world is screwed up as it is because of one 'power' (and its satellite states) believing that their system is better than others. be as it may, one size does not fit all. when the 'western world' acknowledges that we will all be safer.[/quote]now, let us all pray for justice. u.k. thailand, cambodia, vietnam. next stop, hopefully, hell!
gary glitter held over child sex allegations
john aglionby, south-east asia correspondent
monday november 21, 2005
guardian
vietnamese police yesterday questioned the shamed rock star gary glitter for a second day over allegations he had sex with **** girls, following his detention on saturday at ho chi minh airport as he tried to flee to thailand.
glitter, 61, whose real name is paul francis gadd, is being held in the resort city of vung tau, where he has lived since march. he allegedly committed "obscene acts with a minor". detectives confirmed that the singer, who served two months in prison in britain in 1999 after being convicted of paedophilia, is still being held but declined to comment on whether he would be prosecuted.
the authorities decided to hold gadd after questioning a 15-year-old girl they found living in his home last week. the former singer had already fled by then, reportedly with a 14-year-old girl who described him as her husband.
the foreign office confirmed that a briton was being detained in vang tau, 50 miles from ho chi minh, but declined to identify the person. if prosecuted for consensual sex with a minor, gadd could face 12 years in prison.
child protection experts say vietnam is becoming increasingly popular with foreign paedophiles because neither the authorities nor the public have much experience of them.
"it's very easy for children to be exploited because society doesn't know a lot about sex tourism and so doesn't have the vigilance," said le hong loan, unicef's chief child protection expert in vietnam. the police also lacked expertise, she said. "they're not prepared to deal with the issue. they're also very cautious about dealing with foreigners."
paedophiles are moving away from traditional haunts such as pattaya in thailand and phnom penh in cambodia because of greater awareness there, according to christine beddoe of ecpat, a group campaigning to end child prostitution.
gadd was detained in cambodia in 2002 but was never prosecuted. he was forced to leave after an aggressive campaign by women's rights groups
On your side Haiphong.
Civilization has many different meanings.....what is more cilivilized a country that eats dog or a country that blantantly murders innocent people in the name of bloody oil.
Communism and Democracy are both historical theories written by outdated philosophers. If either one had the opportunity to run as planned, unihibited by greedy individiuals, then they're as great as sliced bread.
Vietnam has come a long way, and like it or not there are a lot more ways to act free there than in many "Civilized" countries. Walking outside safely after dark for one. "Democracy" does not have a cleaner track record than "communism" it just seems to be on top for now. Both pseudo systems have been historically shoved down the collective throats of the masses (South America to Southwest Asia).
Unfortunately the problems are the same all over the world. Consumerism run rampant, greed, and a lot of poverty. Most of the world is run by an oligarchical corporate system. If we think a particular political, economic or religious system as an evil thing then we should wake up...it it the individuals that are corrupt.
[QUOTE=James Tran]We all know that there is no perfect system, thus, one-size-fits-all system just doesn't work. However, using this as an excuse to continue the existing uncivilized system also doesn't work. So does it sound like there is nothing the current regime can do to improve its system? This particular communist system we are talking about doesn't allow its citizens to participate in its change or modification. The citizens are at the mercy of Communist Party and its members. This is why democracy in Western world even if it is not perfect it is still the best.
Of course I am not here to advocate democracy the way pres Bush is doing. Forcefully applying a system on others is anti-democracy and therefore wrong. A good tool in certain hand can be beneficial or harmful to others. A bad tool will always be harmful.[/QUOTE]
Here we go again. This is very naive of you WM. I wonder what level of education you got. It originated in Athens with the Greeces. It is a long and proven progress which has been tested for couple thousand years. And you are right on this: communism (not socialism) is indeed a theory which had never been tested before Karl Marx published his Communist Manifesto in 1848. While democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature, Marx's communism advocated the abolition of property in land, the application of all land rent to public purposes; abolition of all rights of inheritance; abolition of all religions, etc. These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well.
"Vietnam has come a long way, and like it or not there are a lot more ways to act free there than in many "Civilized" countries."
This statement which comes from a Westerner is indeed ignorant. "Acting free than many civilized countries" is correct to a minority, the ruling class, and not to the mass.
""Democracy" does not have a cleaner track record than "communism"
Hummm, with your knowledge on these subjects I doubt if you can come up with evidences to support your claims.
dear mr. hophong,
according to you, this 'one' power (and its satellite states) cause all problems in vietnam, including causing hanoi's vice-minister of youth to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] a 14 year-old girl, causing communist party members to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] and steal the people blind, and causing the extreme poverty and rampant prostitution in the destitute population?
you will have a hard time convincing the rest of the world to place the blame of vietnam's problems on this 'one' power (and its satellite states).
perhaps you should update us on how your vice-minister of youth is doing after [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] the poor 14-year-old girl. as i understand, the poor innocent girl was begging for mercy, and the vice-minister did not give her any.
perhaps your vice-minister has been promoted and celebrated as a people's hero after his evil deed, just to spite the civilized world.
[quote=haiphong]child molestation is totally unacceptable and should be dealt with accordingly. the govt official in hanoi (should he be guilty) deserves the same punishment that should be accorded to those who can afford to pay-off parents of a minor because the 'justice' system allows them to buy the best lawyers. in my humble opinion the world is screwed up as it is because of one 'power' (and its satellite states) believing that their system is better than others. be as it may, one size does not fit all. when the 'western world' acknowledges that we will all be safer.
to all others: i apologize for responsing to this and the previous message. 'better than thou' attitudes seem to bring out the worst in me! i will not clutter this board with my responses to issues such as these any more.[/quote]
[QUOTE=James Tran]...While democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature, Marx's communism advocated the abolition of property in land, the application of all land rent to public purposes; abolition of all rights of inheritance; abolition of all religions, etc. These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well.
[QUOTE]Now, let's start with the first part of the quote above: "democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature...." NO ARGUMENT THERE. But, of course, since the 'civilized world' knows better, both Afghanistan and Iraq are ready for this change overnight. Right?
On to the second part: "These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well." Excuse me, but are we talking about communism here or imperialism, as practised and perfected by the British, the French and now the American's more recently. Does anyone recall how communism played a part in World War I or II? Were Korean and Vietnamese forces found in California or was it a case of American troops invading those countries? Iraq & Afghanistan do not practise communism., or so I thought! Ah, let's not forget the acts of 'self-defense' either. Napalm, atom, Agent Orange, My Lai, etc. etc. Talk about "deadly consequence and ruined million lives". You have your facts TOTALLY wrong. I strongly recommend you stop watching FOX and CNN networks!
I am staying at DaeWoo now. For what it's worth, a girl I met the other night would not even try to come there, said she couldn't get in. Did the minihotel bit instead.
[QUOTE=Co Van My][QUOTE=Pansted00]Please note that the DAEWOO is totally guest unfriendly.
Impossible to bring a guest at the moment.
Pansted, would you describe exactly what you experienced that leads you to say that the Daewoo is not allowing girls in now?[/QUOTE]
In most hotels you cannot get gals in after dark...You'll have to ask the policy or look for a posting at the front desk.
I always found it less of a hassle to get my shaggin done in the day time if you want to enjoy your room...otherwise as you said, short time it.
[QUOTE=Danielus20]I am staying at DaeWoo now. For what it's worth, a girl I met the other night would not even try to come there, said she couldn't get in. Did the minihotel bit instead.
[QUOTE=Co Van My][/QUOTE]
Hey dull tool,
Yes, all forms of government are based on theories. Some more tested than others, but none of them pure or following intensions....because of the corrupt nature of a patriarchal leadership, etc.
Marx advocated the rise of the opressed working class over the proletariat, or ownership class in order to free themsleves from economic "slavery". He also did feel strongly about the legitimacy of Western Religions, namely Catholicism INC.
My education. I have three degrees from the US.
There you go again accusing others as being less than perfect becuase they are a westerners, an assumption. If you are so proud to be Asian, which is cool, why do you use a cheesy Western name like James? You are so confrontational and condescending which indicated that you have issues, have you tried meditation?
[QUOTE=James Tran]Here we go again. This is very naive of you WM. I wonder what level of education you got. It originated in Athens with the Greeces. It is a long and proven progress which has been tested for couple thousand years. And you are right on this: communism (not socialism) is indeed a theory which had never been tested before Karl Marx published his Communist Manifesto in 1848. While democracy is a gradual progress which takes many years to mature, Marx's communism advocated the abolition of property in land, the application of all land rent to public purposes; abolition of all rights of inheritance; abolition of all religions, etc. These daring and never-been-tested-before callings had a deadly consequence and ruined million lives which we all know so well.
"Vietnam has come a long way, and like it or not there are a lot more ways to act free there than in many "Civilized" countries."
This statement which comes from a Westerner is indeed ignorant. "Acting free than many civilized countries" is correct to a minority, the ruling class, and not to the mass.
""Democracy" does not have a cleaner track record than "communism"
Hummm, with your knowledge on these subjects I doubt if you can come up with evidences to support your claims.[/QUOTE]
"There you go again accusing others as being less than perfect becuase they are a westerners, an assumption. "
Humm this dude is putting words in my mouth. But anyway, regardless you are an Asian, Caucasian, Black, Indian, etc you are NOT perfect. If you want to state the fact then use the above.
Your lack of experience in living with the real communist system convinced you that no system is perfect. Without the Eastern Europe revolution and the collapse of communism in Soviet Union you probably 'd never see China or Vietnam; let alone the real Viet or China. I was lucky to see the real Vietnam. These countries already changed a lot EXTERNALLY, but internally the government is still the same old hard core like 30 years ago.
Living in this relative world, if you are well educated, "3 degrees of blackbelt?" :) you should have understood we can only live by accepting what is best out there. However, we can't just say because the system is not perfect so let's continue living this way. This is what the communist propaganda's tried to put in your head and you are spreading it out to us. And this is so lame!
By the same token, blaming that everything comes from theories and therefore is bad, not perfect, so doing nothing is the right approach, is also lame. Being educated like you is not worthier than a worker who revolted against the industrial proletariat in The February Revolution in Berlin, Cologne, and Paris. Camouflaging under a Western hat you are trying to defend the current Vietnam regime by accusing the West for not being perfect. God damn it! open your eyes and look carefully at the average people around you in VN and at least if you have some decency, open your heart to feel their pain. I travelled from North to South and have seen many things. I've seen couple Vietnam vets gave 2000 dong to a poor lady harvesting river snails with her handicaped son. I don't expect Westerner to feel pity for my own country. But if they do al least do not try to blindly defend the stupid government. You are too much WM. You are white with 3 degrees in US but you are dumber than a 12th grade student in the South.
Now get back to the subject that you are trying to dodge all day. Tell me what and why you KNOW democracy doesn't have a cleaner track record than communism. Something that can last 2000 years and something is so ill-fated that can only last 1989-1917 = 72 years and you can state such dumb statement One is majority rules for the people and one is minority rules for the party members and their family, and you are saying you are not sure which system is better? Well, if you are not sure then be quiet then nobody will try to correct you.
What happening in Iraq,like I've said, (Bush) is wrong. But if you want to bring Afghanistan in I'd say Bush is right. If you want to go further with this, I am happy to discuss it with you.
What Bush did in Iraq is anti-democracy thus is wrong and I am here in US free to say that. In VN if you are going to say communist is wrong you know where you are going to; jail or see HCM in hell. Bush and his gang don't represent the whole democracy system. In principle democracy even it is not a perfect tool, it is the best tool. On the other hand communism is a bad tool because in principle it is bad. Think about all the abolishtion things that I only mentioned a few. So the good tool in a bad hand (in this case Bush and his cabinet) will make people suffer; we in the US are suffering somewhat (2000 dead soldiers, some little impact to the economy, some doubts about democracy system, etc); thousands of innocent people died in Iraq, collapsed economy, etc. However, the rest of the world is ok, not too many people suffer because of this stupid mistake from our president. This is thanks to the democracy, an "imperfect system." And you know what, what happened to Mylai is not because democracy is not perfect, no democracy system tolerates such massacer, but it happened because of an individual frustration in dealing with the communist guerillas. I am not here to support Casey and his action but his crime is nothing compare to crimes that VietCong and the communist party in VN did to many innocent people; for example the Tet massacre in Hue in 1968, and many more.
However, a bad tool in a bad hand is really terrible. Think about Mao Tse Dong and his cultural revolution that killed 20 milion innocent people and destryed many historical relics; think about Stalin and the killing of 15000 Polish officers or his kiling of his own people in the millions; think about the massacre that Khmer Rouge committed to their own people; think about what the Vietnamese governement did to the "puppet" South Vietnamese soldiers and their family after 1975; think about how hungry the North Korea was last year or couple years ago and if not without the help of Western world how many people would die? Ha ha... just think about these and tell me what jungle is better?
[QUOTE=James Tran]And you know what, what happened to Mylai is not because democracy is not perfect, no democracy system tolerates such massacer, but it happened because of an individual frustration in dealing with the communist guerillas.[QUOTE]James,
I am not here simply to be argumentative and cannot sit here and say that I disagree with everything that you have written BUT I do question the statement quoted above. You claim (more than once) that you reside in the U.S. and use the term "we/us" so, assuming that you are an American, I ask you this: can you PLEASE say that 911 was NOT caused by anything other than AN INDIVIDUAL FRUSTRATION. I bet you cannot! This is because the Western mind has been twisted by the media and, despite having marginal amount of facts, is quick to judge others. There was nothing 'individual' about My Lai (read and understand the chain of command in that incident) and the women and children slaughtered there did not represent "communist guerillas" any more than the victims of the Twin Towers representing imperialist America or zionism. For God's sake, stop using duplicity in your arguments...it is the curse of the West upon the world.
And, just for the record, let me share the Western "justice" in this case:
March 31, '71 - Calley sentenced to life
August 20, '71 - Calley's sentence reduced to 20 years
April 16, '74 - Calley's sentence reduced to 10 years
November 9, '74 - Calley released on bond
September 10, '75 - Calley paroled (serving only 3 1/2 years)
And you mock other's justice?
you keep bringing up the mylai case which is nothing compared to what vietnamese or chinese communists did to their own people during and after the wars. it seems you are obseesed with this particular event. i suggest you to do more research on crimes committed by communists then you may change your opinions. anyway i will discuss with you about the mylai and the tet massacre in hue cases.
the mylai massacer is nothing compared to the tet massacre. they are both terrible and many innocent people died. fortunately (or unfortunately), you and i know exactly what punishment calley received for his crime; they are unjustice from your point of view. however, at least calley (not casey, my fault) was put under a us justice system for his crime. on the other hand all the killers of a few thousand of innocent people in hue were never put on trial. so tell me which jungle is better?
let me share with you some lights on the "people" in my lai village as people like you (not sure where you are from) have been taught and read from documents, literatures, textbooks, cnn, bbc, etc not like us vietnamese actually lived thru the war. my lai is not a normal village, it is located in quang ngai province where at least more than 90% of population are commnunists or vc sympathizers. to win the war americans and south vietnamese had to do more than just bombed the hell out of these towns, attacked during the day then withdrew back to their base at night. dealing with guerrilars was a never-ending game and these americans were not patient enought to do that. so it happened! calley ordered his troop to kill all the villagers including old people and children. this was a terrible crime and should not be tolerated. however, calley got released after 3 1/2 years in house arrest (not prison). he gor released from prison by president nixon who used his presidential pardon right to overrule the sentence and put calley under house arrest. sound unjustic, right? but this is legal in a democrat system as nixon was following the american opinions; see [url]http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/mylai/surveyresults.html[/url]
at least in principle, the us army martial court tried to convict calley, sentenced him the hardest punishment he could get; but failed to keep him in prison because the majority of people disagreed with the verdict. i agree with you that it is still not good but that was the best american justice could do.
now i am back to the tet massacre as it seems you know nothing about this particular case. let's try to be fair when we want to judge any systems.
in 1968 on the lunar new year vietnamese communists were ordered to attack through out the whole country. they did not succeed militarily but they were successful diplomatically and strategically. in hue, the old imperial capital of vietnam, located on the south china sea, the vc (vietnamese communists and guerillars) stayed and dug in for about a month. they were finally rooted out and left many deaths behind; most of them south vietnamese they suspected working with the government. to name a few please read...
[url]http://www.saigon.com/regions/hue/[/url]
[url]http://ngothelinh.tripod.com/hue.html[/url]
[url]http://www.vietquoc.com/0002vq.htm[/url]
"the most surprising losses, however, didn't occur among the fighting soldiers or in the razed buildings. americans and south vietnamese later discovered that, upon entering the city, nva/vc leaders rounded up south vietnamese teachers and government officials and killed them. in what became known as the hue massacre, the nva/vc murdered nearly 3,000 residents of hue and buried them in a mass grave in the jungle outside the city."
well, the commander who was responsible for the massacre was never put under a justice system. we will never know who commanded such horrific and barbaric action because the communist system hid/censored the info, not like western world with news and freedom of speech such crime is difficult to hide. the responsible person for such crime is not an individual but is the whole system for hiding it. so, "what jungle is better?"
btw, i will leave the 911 out of the discussion because it is getting out of hand. this is a forum to find girls for fucking :) and we are seriously discussing politics which seems to be unappropriate. i am sorry for getting carried away on such topic. i now rest my case and will never touch this subject again.
[QUOTE=James Tran]I am sorry for getting carried away on such topic. I now rest my case and will never touch this subject again.[/QUOTE]OK, now we both are on the same page! I too will not dwell on this issue any longer UNLESS provoked into it by someone who is condescending towards Vietnamese or believes in the superiority of one system over another.
Good luck and God bless,
James
Guy's, for the record, I love Vietnamese as much as any other national identity. What I need to know is, how the scene is looking around the Hilton these days. Where to go, can they come to the hotel, etc etc. Please give opinions.
By the way, as I noted in really old posts, the Daewoo allowed girls to come with you as long as you paid the 'guest fee' of around $50 for the night. This was on 2002.
Around the Hilton in the evenings plenty of girls driving around who will approach you and offer to go to a close-by Nha Nghi (crappy hostel).
However, I would be more interested in actual Nha Nghi's or hotels where you can just walk in and find girls. Any suggestions?
B
Easier to get into the new Hanoi Hilton than out of the old one. Careful of the MB girls. You can hook up with a girl at one of the clubs and take her back to the hotel or have her visit you at the hotel, but easier at 10:00 than 12:00.
Cheers, AR
[QUOTE=Brandon88]Guy's, for the record, I love Vietnamese as much as any other national identity. What I need to know is, how the scene is looking around the Hilton these days. Where to go, can they come to the hotel, etc etc. Please give opinions.
By the way, as I noted in really old posts, the Daewoo allowed girls to come with you as long as you paid the 'guest fee' of around $50 for the night. This was on 2002.[/QUOTE]
but the Southerners are SO much better looking than the Northerners that I now think it better to bring one from the South to Halong Bay (rather than finding one in Hanoi, Haiphong, or Halong City). I read that there are available girls on Cat Ba itself, but convenitional wisdom would say that selection and price will be inferior (like Ko Samui or Phuket vs. OPattaya, Boracay vs. Angeles, Bali vs. Jakarta etc etc). Anybody here have opinions on point to share? Tam Biet.
[QUOTE=Surfer]but the Southerners are SO much better looking than the Northerners...[/QUOTE]It's certainly a matter of opion. I tend to lke the southern girls more myself, but many of the Viet kieu I know sing the praises of the fair-skinned northerners.
The last time I was in Halong, there were many very pretty girls in the karaoke places, and also in the hotel massage operations. Don't know about availability on Cat Ba.
Personally, I would feel very encumbered by bringing a girl up from the south. To much baggage, if you will. A local girl would be easier to divorce.
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]Easier to get into the new Hanoi Hilton than out of the old one. Careful of the MB girls. You can hook up with a girl at one of the clubs and take her back to the hotel or have her visit you at the hotel, but easier at 10:00 than 12:00.
Cheers, AR[/QUOTE]
Thanks AR. Any particular clubs come to mind?
Club Q at Daewoo Hotel, Boss at Fortuna Hotel, Club at Hanoi Hotel (can't remember name), New Century Club, 10B Trang Thi St. Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Brandon88]Thanks AR. Any particular clubs come to mind?[/QUOTE]
The Vietkieu girls in California are, on average, WAY better looking than those here in the country who are really quite underwhelming in apearance. I DEFINITELY think LOS, Indonesia and the PI all offer better looking women both in the water trades and among civilians. Quite a surprise I must admit. as I expected much better.
Hello Friends,
I am supposed to go to Hanoi and Hochimin for work next month. which place is better in terms of getting some good action? As I could plan my weekend around the place I go last. Also hows the pick up/ freebie scene in town? Havent read much about internet pick up in Vietnam:)!
Thanks all,
Soccer
I took a stroll from the Hilton down to the lake a few blocks away. On the way back, I had 3 or 4 motobike girls either slow down or stop next to me. Trouble was, being winter now, they were all bundled up as if the snow was coming, so it was impossible to tell how they looked.
I'm not even sure what the deal is in terms of price or even where to go. I dont think I'd want to drag one of them into the Hilton.
freebie's are pieces of cake. Many guys, especially Caucasian, just use their charm and lure these young beautiful Viet girls into their fishnet arms. :) Keep hoping if you have TIME. If you don't then your chance is 1/1mil. How much time do you have?
the Central region was unbelievably cold and wet. Hanoi has been in the mid to high 60s which is pretty comfortable. I found a VERY GFE freelancer through a taxi driver but she speaks ZERO English (and he VERY little). But it turnmed out great and as soon as she saw the camera she stripped down and started posing suggestively. What a welcome change from times when you have to battle to get a risque foto (plus pay extra). Given that VN is a totalitarian police state, I will not post pictures showing faces on this board. I will post some with faces obscurred, however, upon my return.
New Century disco is THE hotspot, but you bette have a high tolerance for 3 digit decibel levels and second hand smoke in concentrations that boggle the mind. Plus VERY unfriendly bouncers and tremendous crowds of people bumping into you all the time. I HATED it, but there ae some lookers there for the taking to be sure. Free lockers outside are a nice touch for storing your fannypack or whatever. Beware fleecing by taxi drivers on the way home late at night (seems to close at 1am despite local rule requiring miodnight closure).
Brandon,
The motobike girls will want to take you to mini-hotel which is a scam waiting to happen. I've been scammed twice, although able to reverse one with threat of violence which would actually have been a bigger problem than losing the money. You just don't want to go there.
Cheers, AR
[QUOTE=Brandon88]I took a stroll from the Hilton down to the lake a few blocks away. On the way back, I had 3 or 4 motobike girls either slow down or stop next to me. Trouble was, being winter now, they were all bundled up as if the snow was coming, so it was impossible to tell how they looked.
I'm not even sure what the deal is in terms of price or even where to go. I dont think I'd want to drag one of them into the Hilton.[/QUOTE]
There used to be a massage place just across hilton. You can get a decent massage ($6) and hand job and roaming for $15. I wonder if it is still there.
I took a stroll from the Hilton down to the lake a few blocks away. On the way back, I had 3 or 4 motobike girls either slow down or stop next to me. Trouble was, being winter now, they were all bundled up as if the snow was coming, so it was impossible to tell how they looked.
I'm not even sure what the deal is in terms of price or even where to go. I dont think I'd want to drag one of them into the Hilton.[/QUOTE]
then it is a scam. Do not listen to anyone (pimp) who lures you with craps such as cheap price + beautiful girl, they just don't go together. Do not go with motobike girls because the chance to get rip-off is high. Always bring girls back to your hotel OR only go with someone you know well and who knows the area very well. I myself am very confident in my knowing of the country, act like a local and in fact was in trouble couple times. I know some foreigners (backpack tourists) got robbed and beaten up so badly because they refused to give the robbers money. That said ... please play safe. VN is a jungle and you may venture with extreme caution.
Even BEFORE you open your mouth, they KNOW. They know people from Central or Southern VN too. Granted understanding the language helps reduce the risk SOMEWHAT, but I am told VK are considered particularly good targets for robbery because they are ALL showing off how wealthy they have become overseas (unlike backpackers who rarely wear jewelry or expensive watches and do not carry wads of cash to impress local girls the way the VKs do).
Violent crime against foreigners is NOT common, contrary to what JT would have you believe, because the police come down PARTICULARLY hard on them as they REALLY want to encourage tourism. For example, Japanese no longer need visas and it may be expended to other nationalities next year.
VN has MANY summary executions (the exact number is a state secret) and NOBODY screws around with the police. NOBODY. And the word is out not to attack foreigners (overcharge them yes, but use violence No).
I think the risk of being victimized by violent crime is MUCH less in VN than in the US so don't let JT's attempts to scare you away succeed. YES fleecing the foreigner is a national pasttime, but it is VERY rarely accompanied by violence by all accounts I hear (and I have two friends who have lived here for several years).
I DO agree that anything that sounds too good to be true probably is.
Even BEFORE you open your mouth, they KNOW. They know people from Central or Southern VN too. Granted understanding the language helps reduce the risk SOMEWHAT, but I am told VK are considered particularly good targets for robbery because they are ALL showing off how wealthy they have become overseas (unlike backpackers who rarely wear jewelry or expensive watches and do not carry wads of cash to impress local girls the way the VKs do).
Violent crime against foreigners is NOT common, contrary to what JT would have you believe, because the police come down PARTICULARLY hard on them as they REALLY want to encourage tourism. For example, Japanese no longer need visas and it may be expended to other nationalities next year.
VN has MANY summary executions (the exact number is a state secret) and NOBODY screws around with the police. NOBODY. And the word is out not to attack foreigners (overcharge them yes, but use violence No).
I think the risk of being victimized by violent crime is MUCH less in VN than in the US so don't let JT's attempts to scare you away succeed. YES fleecing the foreigner is a national pasttime, but it is VERY rarely accompanied by violence by all accounts I hear (and I have two friends who have lived here for several years).
I DO agree that anything that sounds too good to be true probably is.
like you really know.
Surfer is just repeating what he was told by his ho's and he doesn't know craps about how a Vietkieu can blend in among the locals. It is not hard, as a matter of fact, if you know the language, don't act like Sufer assumes you would, speak some Viet slangs, and don't mix English with Vietnamese. Always pretend like you are from another regions. For example, if you go to the South say you are from Nha Trang. If you go to the North say you are from Saigon. If you hang around with the locals too long they may suspect something but these tricks will give you time, what you want, and you just disappear before they have time to plan a trick on you.
I am warning people to play safe and don't be sorry later. If you are an adventurous type of guy, behave a little and play safe then you are ok. I was in Hue for a few days, made a mistake by getting on a cyclo at 10PM. The guy KNEW I was a tourist from Danang (why I pretended to be from Danang is a long story) and tried to take me to a deserted area. Hue is relatively a much safer place than Hanoi and crimes are rarely heard of but it doesn't mean crime doesn't exist.
Couple xe-om guys (motobike drivers) in Danang told me stories about backpacking tourists got robbed. These backpacking guys are more adventurous than other tourists and normally not as wealthy. So they 'd try to get cheap girls by going with cyclo or xe-om drivers to cheap KTV's or remote outskirt areas. They refused to pay an inflated bill and got beaten up.
Play within your boundary then you are ok. Trust your instincts and do not be too adventurous. Don't tell the cyclo/xe-om guys where your hotel is if you travel with your wife/family and want to try a quicky (this is for Vietkieu, the foreigners are luckier than Vietkieu this way because scammers' lack of English hinder them from extorting money from the foreigners. But not so long before they find out how.) In a country where average income is around $450 a year and Surfer has guts to say it is safer than in the US!
While the VN government are working hard to get crimes down they are also good in sensorship which means the true crimes are not publicized so even Surfer's friends have no clues. Surfer's friends are making him feel too dangerously safe and he one day WILL pay for such ignorance.
[QUOTE=James Tran] Surfer is just repeating what he was told by his ho's and he doesn't know craps......... [/QUOTE]JT,
With all due respect to your point of view, I think Surfer has observed more than you think. I don’t think his observations are very far off the mark, and not because of what my ho’s have told me.
Here’s why: I am married to a Viet kieu (vuot bien early 80s), and literally most of my friends and every day associates are VK. We talk a lot about traveling in Vietnam (I’ve been there many times), and they generally agree that it is very hard to hide the foreign influences that have crept into their daily lives: clothes, mannerisms, makeup, accents, and on and on. My friends are not flashy people. They hold very average jobs, few have college degrees, and they certainly don’t make an issue out of their “emigrant” status. Quite the opposite: they would like very much to go completely unnoticed, but they usually can’t. That doesn’t mean that every VK is quickly discovered, but I think it’s a fair generalization.
Of course a VK who has gone back to Vietnam for extended periods can revert. With a locally purchased clothes, and a renewed knowledge of local slang, customs, and geography, I can believe that someone like you might pass as a local. In a sense, you have become a local again.
I would like to make another generalization, and I hope you won’t take undue offense. One of the prevailing traits of my Vietnamese friends, including the people I meet in Vietnam, is the near impossibility of allowing for different opinions. They tend to believe they have access to absolute truth on almost any subject, and they have very little respect for any ideas that don’t match their own beliefs. I have observed this for more than 30 years, and it is no less true today than in was then.
As someone else has said, I like to learn by experience: other people’s experience whenever possible..
I agree with Surfer that Vietnam is a relatively safe country, although it is not nearly as safe as it was in the early 90s. Drugs, the black market, new knowledge about the wealth of the politicians and foreigners has led to the jealous, “where’s mine” syndrome, and crime often follows that. Foreigners can get rolled, beaten and robbed, but I would rather walk down a Saigon street at 2 a.m. than those of most American cities, or European, for that matter.
Sure there are scams, and not just in the bargirl trade. I’ve tried doing business there, and the scams run throughout the society, from cyclo drivers to the Hanoi ministries. It’s endemic, but that doesn’t mean you can’t ever forge trustworthy relationships, again from the cylco drivers to the ministers. I have some trusted friends at both ends of the spectrum.
One of the good things about forums like this is that one can read different points of view and make up his own mind about things. I enjoy reading what you have to say, but there are certainly other plausible points of view.
What I find offensive, however, is the manner in which you sometimes choose to express yourself. We're all equals here in this anonymous world of chat, and none of us is blessed with knowing absolute truth. Argue and disagree, but try to avoid the personal and demeaning attacks. I think you probably would like to be seen as above that.
JT/Friends,
Where are the popular hot spots in Hanoi/HCMC? Looking to meet some local non-pro girls. Are there clubs and discos that the young females go to in this cities? Looking for some freebie action. Please help. PM or post. Anyone looking to meet up for a drink please PM me. Thanks.
My observations from 9 visits over the last 10 years is that VN is a safer place to be adventerous in than, say, Sydney or Amsterdam or Jakarta. Of course safe is a relative term in this post. Its not as safe as staying at home.
Having said this, i have watched in front of me, a three person snatch from a guys pocket (one to bump off balance, one to grab, and one to take the pass). I have seen a drink (mine) being spiked, saw the girl i was with take a swig, and then watched as she became physically ill about 20 minutes later as we arrived at our villa. At that point some thugs arrived, i believe they expected me to be the one doubled up, and were caught off guard to find me quite upright and big and angry. no problem that night. But i would say this is at least what you face anywhere.
In VN i have been to mini hotels, travelled with girls, riden on the back of their scooters around town at 3 or 4 oclock in the morning. Loaned money short term and got it back.
And yes, there is always someone trying to pull money from you. Its just fun watching them do it to you, and judging who you will let do it to you!
I have spent time in many many places, and I have no doubts: its safer in VN.
Just my observation !
Ozirob
Dear fellow Viet expats,
The warnings I gave earlier are only applicable to you and not to the foreigners because the communist government treat these folks better than you guys. The Viet locals will treat these folks like government officials since the hardest or even capital punishment will be used to punish whoever dare to commit violence on these VIP's :)
Dear ISG mongers,
Vietnam is the safest country in the world on mongering activities. It is safer than US, Amsterdam, Europe, you-name-it, etc. There are no AIDS, drugs, beggars, robbery, crimes of any type, whatsoever. Please come to the country to experience a safest fucking safari that you will never forget where motobike girls are drama free, much nicer than hotel massage girls, and a lot of times they give it free to ugly looking foreigners if they are tall and big. It is so safe that walking at 2AM in the morning on a deserted street in VN is safer than at 2 PM on 1st street of any US cities because you are so big compared to these small local Vietnamese guys. I didn't know all these facts until recently thanks to some experienced ISG mongers. :D
He, like the VCP (Vietnamese Communist Party) speaks the gospel truth which ALL must accept as dogma. It says so in all the museums glorifying the heroic victory of socialism over yankee imperialism.
Now having discussed the "Unassailable historical facts", let me add for my personal opinion (for what littl;e it is worth) after having JUST spent the last 3 weeks there:
JT is like a spoiled child who thinks VN is his private sandbox and tries to mask his own insecurity by claiming only he is cool/smart enough to enjoy VN. I have seen this in MANY other threads long before I ever posted in this folder (my main area of interest, and location of most of my 500+ posts, is Colombia).
An example of JT's attempt to discourage people was when told everybody that vietsingles.com will yield them no results unless they can speak VN. This was typical of the disinformation he spreads. I get no kickback from VN if more of you guys go and, in candor, as a mongering destination I think it is decidely medicore. As a destination for ADVENTUROUS travelers with Third World experience, however, it is SUPERLATIVE. VN is not good for the newbie who is MUCH better off sticking to PI or LOS IMHO.
On the safety issue, I am reposting a thread from one of the PRIVATE sites I belong to made by a roundeye who has lived in VN for several years (while JT almost certainly has lived in Westminster or another enclave of VK in the US during that time). TWO other long term residents told me the EXACT same thing (so I do have sources besides my District 1 hos LOL!).
MEMBERS NAME [REDACTED]
Location: Vietnam
Post Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:34 pm Post subject: A Vietnam folder
You set up a VN folder and I will provide as much content as possible. Since I have a live-in "home entertainmentt system" I am not out sampling as much as in the past - but I do frequent the popular joints to maintain the "goodwill" and to keep abreast of the street info.
Guys - always exercise caution in Sai Gon, as you would anywhere else you visit. If you are drunk, never go out alone. However, I have found myself in dozens of these "iffy" mini-hotels and have NEVER had an unpleasant experience. Remember, the police here have ZERO tolerance for crimes against tourists. Visitors to Vietnam are provided extra protection, and anyone ripping off a tourist faces serious consequences. No mini-hotel owner is going to risk getting thrown in jail (They are held responsible for anything that happens on their property) to accomodate some taxi girl or her pimp boyfriend.
Again, watch your drinks. A drunk will get rolled in Salt Lake City, Utah as fast as he will get rolled here in HCMC."
THIS guy LIVES there (not in Little Saigon like JT) and, IMHO, has a closer grip on current conditions than JT. Maybe JT's ugly incident in Hue occurred because he shot his mouth off like a know it all VK to the xe om driver and/or was flashing a wad of cash or expensive handphone etc). .
So, IMHO, if your level of risk tolerance means you are scared to leave the farm in Kansas (think Dorothy in the Wizard of Office)then don't go to VN (but don't go to LA, Chicago or NY either!).
This is my last post on the subject (and, likely, in the VN folder as I will now return to thje love of my life, Colombia. But please don't go there-it is much too dangerous! LOL!)
I just stated the facts and if Surfer doesn't like it then he can beat it. VN to me is nothing more than a third world country where I happen to speak its language, no more no less. I actually prefer China to Vietnam because I find the Chinese are, believe it or not, more trustworthy even they are our #1 enemy. This guys sounds like he knows VN like his palm thru short-lived encounters with his ho's and couple expats. He is actually an irresponsible person encouraging dangerous activities which VN locals dare not do. There are many Viet forums talking about scams with motobike girls and if you can read Vietnamese just PM me and I can show you where as I am wasting my time with this immature kid.
The Viet government has a policy of "ZERO tolerance for crimes against tourists." This is true and but it doesn't mean tourists are "untouchable". This kid is very irresponsible by stating such policy to encourage others to do the same unsafe activities that he did (or maybe didn't).
With very limitted knowledge of Vietnamese people (he even had the guts to say VN one day will be wealthy without any facts/data to back up - I find this comment very hilarious if not childish) and his living dangerously style in Columbia he is encouraging people to do the same. While statistically he is not a victim, yet, anyone who attempt to do the same will fall into the high risk category. As a reminder, doing bareback couple times may not give you HIV but the great feeling of being BB may encourage you to do more and more and thus you one day will eventually get it.
There is no web site such as vietsingles.com IIRC that I ever discussed. I remember we talked about Vietfun.org and its chatrooms. Here it is, anyone who think they can get a girl from these rooms please go ahead and make my day. [url]http://www.vietfun.com/cgi-bin/chat.cgi[/url]. The success rate is close to zero. If someone claims he got a girl/freebie from this chatroom without knowing how to write Vietnamese I basically ignore the liar.
Who cares how many posts he posted, 500 or 5 do not make any difference as far as he understands responsibility. I'd rather trust folks who caution me more than folks like him. When I am in China, Vietnam, Mexico, Dominican Republic, etc, and will be one day in Columbia to fuck its girls I always follow my instincts and listen to bellboys, taxi drivers, warnings from ISG forums, etc and always proceed with caution in this rather dangerous activity; ie mongering. Sometimes I didn't follow my instinct and I paid for it. Now I have learned the lessons and was quite surprised to see a foreigner who is so confident about his daring activitives in a country he is NOT at all familiar with. This Columbian guy with drug dealing living style is for sure too much for me. :)
Hey guys...happy holidays.
Let's put down the swords and get back to the good stuff. If you both want to continue to contest who's got the bigger dick, wny not just pm each other, and not take up the Hanoi forum.
IMHO
You cannot even spell it correctly. I will waste no more time correcting the BS you spew as most readers who follow this forum knew WELL before I started posting here that you are full of it.
As you KNOW, vietsingles is the portion of vietfun for meeting girls (and the only portion likely to be of any interest). And one CAN succeed (maybe you can't because of your arrogance or your lack of attractiveness etc). Just another pathetic attempt to mislead the readership.
Keep traveling in Mexico, the DR, China and Viet Nam and leave the good mongering destinations to those of us who can appreciate them. And regarding your false and malicious allegation that I am some sort of drug dealer, that comment IS actionable as slander and if you had any money I might well sue you for it you but given that you likely work as a gas station attendant or in a nail shop I won't bother. Again, with a mouth run amok like yours it is no wonder YOU got attacked in Hue (you surely deserved it!)
Surfer & James Tran
I liked what you guys have to say. One needs not to take the other's opinion personally, you both have DIFFERENT extensive experience in your mongering. I don't think it should be a pissing contest since life is so short. Myself, I rather be cumming in a SP. One might agree with James said about not going with the M.C. girls but if you had a local (my friend's uncle) who was my driver, translator, security gurard and negotiator. M.C. babes: BJ + FS for $170-200K But, I can see James' point about going to a unknown hotel and possibly being set-up for a rip-off, some places are in pretty dark areas.
Surfer: I will take your advice and check out the other Asian countries. But, I still think the Viet babes are hot. I always will have memories about thousands of slim, pretty and sexy dressed scooter riding babes with their long hair flying in the wind. Even the not so pretty ones have nice bodies. Viva Vietnam.
I now know who I am dealing with. My apology to the forum as I think I am wasting time to all of you.
Thanks everyone for reminding me ...
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]Brandon,
The motobike girls will want to take you to mini-hotel which is a scam waiting to happen. I've been scammed twice, although able to reverse one with threat of violence which would actually have been a bigger problem than losing the money. You just don't want to go there.
Cheers, AR[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the scoop. I wonder what they would say to going back to your own hotel instead?
[QUOTE=Brandon88]Thanks for the scoop. I wonder what they would say to going back to your own hotel instead?[/QUOTE]
I doubt it because the principal objective is to scam you, but you can certainly find girls willing to go to the hotel which will not always be successful, but before 11:00 odds are pretty good.
Cheers, AR
Hi,
Has anyone stayed at the Hanoi hotel recently?
How is it and is it possible to bring a girl from the disco to your room without any hassle?
Same question for Fortuna hotel?
Thanks
To add to my previous questionhas anyone stayed at the Daewoo lately and been able to bring back a girl without problem?
Last time Iwas there ( 2 montsh ago) no girl would follow me to my room there.they said the new manager forbade it
Fortuna is girlfriendly as long as you bring the girls from their KTV.
[QUOTE=Pansted00]Hi,
Has anyone stayed at the Hanoi hotel recently?
How is it and is it possible to bring a girl from the disco to your room without any hassle?
Same question for Fortuna hotel?
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Guys,
Will be in Hanoi during the week after next staying at Metropole. In the past, in-room massages (ie. FS) for males was not permitted which I just accepted and, because I stay there a lot and am relatively well-known within the hotel, I did not press the issue.
Anybody have any recent experience with prospects for in-room massage service?
Many thanks, AR
Does anybody know if a hj (or more) is available with massage in the Sheraton? Staying there soon, but time limited and accompanying people.
AL
I just got back from spending 2 weeks in north Vietnam. hanging around Hanoi, Cat Ba, and Halong. beautiful, though I prefer the South.
I stayed at the Majestic salute. Thry have the second floor devoted to MP. Went in for a massage, cost 10$. The girl offered a HJ for 50 US$ !!!
I declined. Since there is nothing much other than flames in the previous 4 to 5 pages, it is difficult to get useful information. But I thought her asking price was a bit steep !
You made a right decision to declined the $50usd HJ. i said $20usd is max for HJ, if the girl is nice and pleased with the services, i can go for $30usd. For me HN is i like better, the city is old, quiet, not noisy like modern SG. Have fun in VN and play safe.
[QUOTE=Autumn Lover]Does anybody know if a hj (or more) is available with massage in the Sheraton? Staying there soon, but time limited and accompanying people.
AL[/QUOTE]
Yes I believe that they do offer extra but depending on your girl. They got a bar that's open's later. One of the few in the city.....
I was in hanoi in August.
The best place to find very beautifull young girls is the "new century disco" upstairs and downstairs, some girls are sitting near the bar, easy to recognise them, I paid 40 usd, some rates 9'
Elsewhere not many things to do in the night, some HJ in massage parlors at hotel dan chu!
Lolo
Hello,
I am new to this forum. For the time I am living in Thailand, And have a internettcafe business. I wanted for a long time to go to vietnam and now I been able to save up some cash to go. But the problem is that I don't have time or money to stay more than a week or to. So alittle background info would be realy nice. I think I will be going to hanoi. What I wonder about is, how is the bargirl sceen compare with thailad like? is there at all some place to go for meeting some female company. Karaoke bars or brothel. I read that prostitution is illegal in vietnam. So alittle info about place to go would be nice. And also maybe some info about price.
Thanks alot in advance.
Tom
[QUOTE=Lolo2001]I was in hanoi in August.
The best place to find very beautifull young girls is the "new century disco" upstairs and downstairs, some girls are sitting near the bar, easy to recognise them, I paid 40 usd, some rates 9'
Elsewhere not many things to do in the night, some HJ in massage parlors at hotel dan chu!
Lolo[/QUOTE]Hello,
I never been to Vietnam before. Is there anyone who have some tips where I can catch up with girls? for the time I am living in thailand. How is the sceen compare with thailand? prices? Are there bars \ karaoke places, or do I have to go to brothels?
Go to New Century Nightclub and stand still for 30 seconds. Your date will find you. It will probably cost you $50.00, although she may start at $100.00.
Cheers AR
I never been to Vietnam before. Is there anyone who have some tips where I can catch up with girls? for the time I am living in thailand. How is the sceen compare with thailand? prices? Are there bars \ karaoke places, or do I have to go to brothels?[/QUOTE]
Hello hello. I'm new to this site and I live in Hanoi (anyone want to show me the ropes drop me a line). I'm looking for some good looking girls in Hanoi that are at discreet places i can go. I'm working in Hanoi and will be here for about a year. If you guys have some massage parlors to recommend which offer more than a HJ i would appreciate it. Also the club scene, NC is full of dicks and the girls are ok how are the other places. Thanks for the hook up and drop me a line if you live here too. QA
You can't compare between the two cities. BKK is a mongering city. Hanoi isn't and likely wont be for a long time. Don't come to Hanoi expecting to get layed like you would in BKK. Just helping you out so you don't get dissapointed. There are HC, massage parlors, KTV's and niteclubs with girls. But nothing like BKK. Hotels are not always girl friendly. Ask before you check in. If you find a girl, you can go to the ST hotel, get the girl to use her ID to get the room. Good Luck!
Gentlemen,
Does anybody know if this hotel is girl friendly? Thanks.
OAH
I'm thinking of trying out these drugs while on a trip to Vietnam in April. Can anyone tell me if they are all easily available in Hanoi? I've heard that they, or safe generics made in India, can be bought at any pharmacy in Bangkok.
Hanoi too?
Thanks and I'll provide a report.
[QUOTE=Tempter]I'm thinking of trying out these drugs while on a trip to Vietnam in April. Can anyone tell me if they are all easily available in Hanoi? I've heard that they, or safe generics made in India, can be bought at any pharmacy in Bangkok.
Hanoi too?
Thanks and I'll provide a report.[/QUOTE]
Yhere is a pharmacy at 48 Hai Ba Trung Street where you can buy legit Viagra for VND100,000 per pill, about $6.00. You will probaly have to wait 20 or 30 minutes for a motobike run to the source. They have local stuff immediately available, one of which I used once and it worked fine.
Cheers, AR
I was in Hanoi last week for business. I stayed at Heritage Hotel which is a 3-star hotel. There is a health centre at the 5th Floor which cost you USD10 for an hour of body massage and USD5 for a foot massage. All the girls there are very young and does not speak English. HJ is USD5 - 10, negotiable. Overall, not recommended.
If you want a better clean massage, try Majestic Salute down town near to Sword Lake. Here you get pleasant ML, clean environment, SPA facilities at USD10 an hour massage. Sorry, no HJ here.
If money is not your concern, go to Hanoi Karaoke at Hanoi Hotel. There, you find 100+ girls parading for you to choose (if you like fat girls, then sorry for you this is not the place), to sit with you and drink, sing songs and rub, rub, as well. The damage here for the booking is USD7 an hour. The room is free if you ordered drinks exceeding USD90.
Here, the WL will ask you to book her out for a F**K. ST=USD60 and LT=USD80. If you leave before 12.30 am, you have to pay for the bookings as well. If you stay at Hanoi Hotel, then no problem. Most of the hotels in Hanoi are not Girl-friendly, but your girl will be able to bring you to a hotel (on her motorbike) which cost about USD10.
Overall, Hanoi is not a very good place to enjoy with girls, however, you can try some pick-ups at New Century Disco, but be careful.
Tew
I will answer my own question here and the answer is no. Evidently, the only girl friendly 5 star hotel in Hanoi at the moment is the Hilton. According to some friends in the hospitality industry, the government has been pretty tough on this lately. I did manage to get one girl into my room at the Melia in the morning. She came with a couple of notebooks pretending to be my translator. I came down to the lobby to fetch her and escort her up to my room. I met her in Nutz at the Sheraton the night before. There were around 10-12 pros/semi-pros in the bar, but most were not that great looking. The one I did gave excellent GFE service.
OAH
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Gentlemen,
Does anybody know if this hotel is girl friendly? Thanks.
OAH[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]Yhere is a pharmacy at 48 Hai Ba Trung Street where you can buy legit Viagra for VND100,000 per pill, about $6.00. You will probaly have to wait 20 or 30 minutes for a motobike run to the source. They have local stuff immediately available, one of which I used once and it worked fine.
Cheers, AR[/QUOTE]Thanks, AR. I'll let you know how it works out.
SO cheap (the real V is a marketing ripoff IMHO) too-less than $1 for 50mg tablet. I only know 1 guy who CLAIMS to be able to tell the difference (says he gets heartburn from anything besides the Pfizer product). Write out "Sildenafil" (the active ingredient) on a piece of paper (the pharmacists use the English chemical and product names).
Ditto for antibiotics. A good idea for those who bareback-no lectures please- is to buy 2000mgs of Zithromax (Azithromyacin) and take it all in one dose on your way home "just in case" (tip from a doctor friend).
On another note, just today researchers announced initial success in trials of a drug cocktail that PREVENTS hiv transmission. Do a google search (don't want to repost the whole article here)
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]
There is no web site such as vietsingles. Com IIRC that I ever discussed. I remember we talked about Vietfun. Org and its chatrooms. Here it is, anyone who think they can get a girl from these rooms please go ahead and make my day. [url]http: //www. Vietfun. Com/cgi-bin/chat. Cgi[/url]. The success rate is close to zero. If someone claims he got a girl/freebie from this chatroom without knowing how to write Vietnamese I basically ignore the liar.
I have been on Vietfun. Com for just over one month. I can not read or write Vietnamense. I posted some pictures and completed my profile. I use a manual-Tieng Viet Vietnamese for Foreigners to translate the incoming and outgoing emails. Chao Em! Co khoe khong? (Hello young sister, how are U? ) I emailed 4 or 5 ladies and got backed a few replies. Now, instead of me emailing the babes, now, there is two or three new babes emailing me every week. Too many, I am getting tire of replying. One of the original girls-23 years old, very beautiful, wants to get married. Sure. Without seeing each other in person. I write to her in Vietnamese- you beautiful young girl, me, a old man. She replies with a long letter. I guess she wants a better life with a sugar daddy. Sorry girl, you are much younger than me, but you would look good waking up next to me to in the morning. The one I am interested in is a single mother, about my age and but looks 15 years younger. She is a woman next door type, very beautiful with the slim Vietnamese body and the dyed blond hair look. I am even more interested in her after she ask me to find a younger, more beautiful woman. After spending hours translating her longer letters, I finally asked my Vietnamese friend to translate-100 dongs per word. She wants to drive me around to see her city when I visit next time. How can I say NO to wrapping my hands around her waist? I can not wait!
Horn Dog No More?
Horn Dog 2,
Just for your consideration, I submit the following. A few years ago I concluded a divorce from my wife of 25 years. I had married this girl in 1971 while I was a young solder in Vietnam. It was as amicable a divorce I think as can be wished for.
To be honest, I can say that she was in many ways an ideal wife. After a few years of living alone I contemplated remarrying. I naturally considered finding a new wife in the same place I had found and married the first one. A Vietnamese woman (call her Ba) in the town where I live had a son who had recently married a young girl from Ba's home village in Vietnam. She knew of my interest in finding a Viet bride and to make a long story short, she sort of brokered what turned out to be an engagement with a woman from her village. The woman from her village was about 15 years my junior.
To my American mind, I intended the visit as a way to revisit Vietnam and exorcise some of the demons which had haunted me since my service there. I was of course also interested in investigating this woman, call her Xuyen.
However to Xuyen and to Ba and to everyone else in the village, this was a done deal. They put on a big meal and the woman went back to Saigon with me and stayed in the hotel (along with a younger cousin who came along as a chaperone). We stayed in separate rooms to ensure there were no shenanigans.
Once again, in the interest of brevity, let's just say that I decided against marrying this woman. But for a long time she sent me heart-wrenching letters begging me to reconsider. By my actions I disgraced Xuyen and shamed her in the eyes of her village. Ba, the woman who lives here, no longer talks to me and I've made enemies of everyone concerned.
So the moral of the story is that telling a Vietnamese woman that you intend (however superficially) to marry her is in itself a very serious committment. I'm sure you'll do as you please, but I just thought that you should hear my story.
Good luck to you and to the Viet girl.
Lex
So the moral of the story is that telling a Vietnamese woman that you intend (however superficially) to marry her is in itself a very serious committment. I'm sure you'll do as you please, but I just thought that you should hear my story.
Good luck to you and to the Viet girl.
Lex[/QUOTE]Hi Lex,
Thanks for your advice! I was just being sarcasm when I was talking about the pretty 23 years old Viet babe. I actually told her that she was young and beautiful and I was a old fart-over 40. She replied with a long letter stating her intention to marry a older man. I guess like alot of SE Asian woman, they will just about do anything to leave their country.
The beautiful 40 year old (who looks 25) is the one I am interested in. After more than a few lengthy emails, she said that she feels that she is not qualified to be the woman in my life after she told me the story of her life. A single mother, she had a tought time raising her son after her husband left her. She did not want to get hurt again. She ask me to find a younger more beautiful woman to be friends with. That kind of renewed my interest in her since she was more caring about me than herself or a little low in self-esteem. I think we have alot in common. We decided to give it time and see what happens. She said Love is not a game. I will see her later this year. Viva Vietnam.
Lex, I am sorry that it did not work out for you. I think you were kind of rushed into it by her friend and family. Wishing you the best now and in the future.
I visited Vietnam twice in the last couple of years, the Vietnamese has gradulated from bicycles to motor scooter and cars, their per capitia income is still among the lowest in SE Asia.
There is still reminders of the previous wars in Vietnam- I saw a young lady selling lottery tickets in Saigon, she had no arms, a photo in the newspaper the other day-showed a young woman in Hanoi with eyeballs that were five times larger than the average eyeballs. I might have suffer a broken heart in the past, but these ladies will never experience falling in love.
If you want a better clean massage, try Majestic Salute down town near to Sword Lake. Here you get pleasant ML, clean environment, SPA facilities at USD10 an hour massage. Sorry, no HJ here.
Went to the Majestic Salute the other nice. It is a decent spot, although overpriced at $10 an hour. HJ most certainly on the menu, and the gal was cute. Asked 200, 000 dong, came down to 100, 000 without too much fuss ($6). Went prowling the other day, searching out almost all the places listed in the last few years of posts here. There has definitely been a crackdown. Most of the places listed were either wrong or else not there, or in some cases, replaced (ie cat toc shop replaced by a fancier hair salon which didn't seem to have possibilities). Have not been over to Quang Ba yet nor to Century. Tons of massage/sauna places everywhere, and all are the same. Went to the place across from the Hilton today. $6 an hour (no longer 2 hours), plus the same for finish with a cute gal. Problem with all the massage places is that they have open windows and the gals are paranoid about being seen. At best, you can get your hand in their panties and inside of them, but it's definitely all under wraps, and nothing further than HJ's. Hanoi a fun place though, gotta love the Bia Hoi microbreweries. At 25 cents a pint, not too hard to get smashed!
Hello Horn Dog 2,
I don't want to dwell on it, but your comment hit home for me. For all the pleasures that Vietnam offers, and for all the attractivess and charm of its people (the ladies!), the fact is that the country was devastated by what they call the American War. We don't often see any signs of it when we visit there, but we killed nearly 3 million Vietnamese and more bombs were dropped on Vietnam than on Germany in all of WW2. Not to mention the Agent Orange. Every family there must have suffered in some way. I'm a vet myself, so maybe I'm more aware of that history. Anyway, this isn't a history forum, so I'll stop now. But knowing that history makes me appreciate even more the beauty and grace of so many of the VN gals that I've seen. I keep going back!
[QUOTE=Horn Dog 2]
There is still reminders of the previous wars in Vietnam- I saw a young lady selling lottery tickets in Saigon, she had no arms, a photo in the newspaper the other day-showed a young woman in Hanoi with eyeballs that were five times larger than the average eyeballs. I might have suffer a broken heart in the past, but these ladies will never experience falling in love.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I have been on Vietfun. Com for just over one month. I can not read or write Vietnamense. I posted some pictures and completed my profile. I use a manual-Tieng Viet Vietnamese for Foreigners to translate the incoming and outgoing emails. Chao Em! Co khoe khong? (Hello young sister, how are U? ) I emailed 4 or 5 ladies and got backed a few replies. Now, instead of me emailing the babes, now, there is two or three new babes emailing me every week. Too many, I am getting tire of replying. One of the original girls-23 years old, very beautiful, wants to get married. Sure. Without seeing each other in person. I write to her in Vietnamese- you beautiful young girl, me, a old man. She replies with a long letter. I guess she wants a better life with a sugar daddy. Sorry girl, you are much younger than me, but you would look good waking up next to me to in the morning. The one I am interested in is a single mother, about my age and but looks 15 years younger. She is a woman next door type, very beautiful with the slim Vietnamese body and the dyed blond hair look. I am even more interested in her after she ask me to find a younger, more beautiful woman. After spending hours translating her longer letters, I finally asked my Vietnamese friend to translate-100 dongs per word. She wants to drive me around to see her city when I visit next time. How can I say NO to wrapping my hands around her waist? I can not wait! [/QUOTE]
Whoa! That was a lot of work you've done and you deserve the reward (?). There are MANY girls like these in Vietnam who when smell American will rush forward to devour them. Many Caucasian take advantage of this fact of being a much-after-looking-for hunter (or the hunted?) and guess what the succesful rate is still zero. Let's define what successful rate is. To me successful rate means you score a girl free if you are a real monger or get into a good relationship if you are looking for love. I'e heard so many stories about Viet ex-prostitutes trying to lure American into marriage. Keep in mind the ticket to get out of VN is now around $50000. If they can score 1 out of 100 they'd go for it. It is no surprise to see you've received so many responses even you and the girls are either broken Vietnamese or English.
So the girls you are going to meet are either too ugly/old to find a Viet boy friend or $hore/ex$hore who are looking for a free ticket to leave. You'd be lucky to find a decent one. But the better chance is to go there and get acquainted to someone you can trust. Have him/her introduce you a nice one. On Vietfun, if you think they are after you because you are a handsome, intelligent species, funny educated type of guy, ... then you should be ready for a big surprise when you are in the country. I've seen so many Caucasian guys married Viet $*****s only to discover the sad reality too late. One young guy (a very timid Caucasian who is afraid of his own race) I know married this Viet girl and she left him a month later. He'd spent all his fortune for her family before the marriage. She called him again a year later and told him she still loved him. He knew she made a mistake by leaving him too soon, didn't wait for a 2-year period to pass before she could divorve him so she could continue living in US. But not all Viet girls are stupid like this one.
Now you Caucasian guys know you are hot just like I know I am the subject of "love" from many Viet girls. I can say this without boasting too much, with my current profession and income I can score ANY Viet girl I want to. Should I risk my family for them? the answer is a big NO. In your case, if you are single and have a lot of time I'd recommend to look for a girl your own race. If you love Viet girl so much then spend more time in the country, learn its custom, people, the girl's family, very very well before commit anything. If you are looking for freebie, Vietfun is not the right place. There are MANY other ways thru Internet to get these gold diggers.
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]Whoa! That was a lot of work you've done and you deserve the reward (?). There are MANY girls like these in Vietnam who when smell American will rush forward to devour them. Many Caucasian take advantage of this fact of being a much-after-looking-for hunter (or the hunted?) and guess what the succesful rate is still zero. Let's define what successful rate is. To me successful rate means you score a girl free if you are a real monger or get into a good relationship if you are looking for love. I'e heard so many stories about Viet ex-prostitutes trying to lure American into marriage. Keep in mind the ticket to get out of VN is now around $50000. If they can score 1 out of 100 they'd go for it. It is no surprise to see you've received so many responses even you and the girls are either broken Vietnamese or English.
So the girls you are going to meet are either too ugly/old to find a Viet boy friend or $hore/ex$hore who are looking for a free ticket to leave. You'd be lucky to find a decent one. But the better chance is to go there and get acquainted to someone you can trust. Have him/her introduce you a nice one. On Vietfun, if you think they are after you because you are a handsome, intelligent species, funny educated type of guy, ... then you should be ready for a big surprise when you are in the country. I've seen so many Caucasian guys married Viet $*****s only to discover the sad reality too late. One young guy (a very timid Caucasian who is afraid of his own race) I know married this Viet girl and she left him a month later. He'd spent all his fortune for her family before the marriage. She called him again a year later and told him she still loved him. He knew she made a mistake by leaving him too soon, didn't wait for a 2-year period to pass before she could divorve him so she could continue living in US. But not all Viet girls are stupid like this one.
Now you Caucasian guys know you are hot just like I know I am the subject of "love" from many Viet girls. I can say this without boasting too much, with my current profession and income I can score ANY Viet girl I want to. Should I risk my family for them? the answer is a big NO. In your case, if you are single and have a lot of time I'd recommend to look for a girl your own race. If you love Viet girl so much then spend more time in the country, learn its custom, people, the girl's family, very very well before commit anything. If you are looking for freebie, Vietfun is not the right place. There are MANY other ways thru Internet to get these gold diggers.[/QUOTE]Thanks Silly Puppy, FW190 and Lex for your comments. I am well aware of the stories of SE women wanting to catch a foreign man. They have heard from family and friends about the greener pasture on the other side of the ocean. I think most woman in Asia want to leave for a better life? But, I think for every working girl that is trying to trap you, there is probably twice as much normal girls that are also interested in you. I agree with you saying you must spent time knowing the culture, the customs, the woman and her family. Learning Vietnamese will help. My Viet Kieu friend is going back for business and will check her out for me. I will visit her later this year. As a single guy, I like mongering but I think we all want for a partner, a beautiful girl-next-door type that knows how to treat a man. Time will tell if I will get my reward. If not, it will be tough going back being a monger. :)
Being Asian-Canadian, I grew up in a small town with Caucasian friends. It was paradise seeing all the slim, pretty Asian Vietnamense babes on the scooters-no cars hiding their bodies. I wish I visited Asia more often in the last 20 years. It was flattering but a little uncomfortable in Saigon when babes look as us knowing we were foreigners, since we were bigger, no tan (asian) than the average Viet male. I can not want until I broad the plane and 21 hours later, Tatu will say..hey boss, it's the plane, the plane....
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]Hanoi Report:
Stopped in a small town about half hour from Hanoi. I wish I could remember the name. A small resort hotel built like a Chinese temple, with girls for 20$ ST including the room. The best value and close to a GFE. Does anybody know the place?
OAH[/QUOTE]This is an old post, but does anyone know where this place is?
How would you guys rate Hanoi out of 10 !!! is it better than Saigon ?
[QUOTE=Patterson]How would you guys rate Hanoi out of 10 !!! is it better than Saigon ?[/QUOTE]Sorta depends on what you want. Hanoi is a prettier city with more charm than Saigon. Saigon nightlife is more plentiful and easier to navigate.
Opinions vary on the respective talents and looks of the girls.
By the way, Patterson, I took the liberty of browsing through your other posts on various boards. Almost all, like this one, were single line requests for information with virtually nothing given in return. If you have any experience in Southeast Asia, some of us might like to hear it.
still can't say I'm impressed with the north as a mongering spot. If you can speak Vietnamese, probably can do very well, but otherwise you are at the mercy of moto drivers or just putting yourself out there. Found a Cat Toc place near the Green Hotel the other day where they beckoned me in. Told me 100, 00, which I assumed was for a HJ. Should have known it was for the mamasan. Probably more like 40, 000 would have been right. The gal was cute enough, gave me a HJ, I gave her 100, 000, she didn't seem to want to negotiate FS. The massage places are fun, but no FS due to the windows and fear factor, different from experiences I've had in the south. Haven't bothered with New Century or any of the bars yet, nor paid a visit to Quang Ba. Anyone else with some info or hints to share? Hanoi is a fun, place, and you wont be a loner, but do not come expecting Thailand, Cambodia, or HCM for that matter.
[QUOTE=Co Van My]Sorta depends on what you want. Hanoi is a prettier city with more charm than Saigon. Saigon nightlife is more plentiful and easier to navigate.
I've been in Hanoi for a few days, and I can say with certainty that the authorities have cooled off the pay for play, at least compared to what others described a while ago. They've shut down most of the cat toc (or is it hot toc, always forget) in the tourist areas or forced them to become totally legit. They continue to exist, as per usual, in the outlying areas and provinces, but in tourist areas, mostly not.
Instead, there are now a number of brightly advertised "Massage" places. These places do not offer hanky panky as a matter of course, though certain girls will sneak a hj and allow a feel. The difficulty is that the rooms in these mps have big windows and the bosses actually check on how things are proceeding. One girl wanted to give me a HJ out of the goodness of her heart, but kept staring out the window nervously the whole time.
The upside of these Massage places is that, because they try to be legit, they attract some super-cute virgins who are students and it can be really fun to flirt with them, even if nothing happens. At least I enjoy it. I know, if I were just staying a little longer, I might work out a delicious arrangement with at least two really adorable girls who have taken a shine to me. These are girls who are just trying to pay their school expenses in a country that remains extremely poor. I'm not actually sure I would bang them -- because they'd end up really hurt if I didn't become "the boyfriend" or marry them and take them abroad. Yes, I'm a softie. I enjoy pay for play as much as anyone, but I don't want to hurt any of these girls, especially the legit ones, by playing emotional games....But oh it's tempting.
I haven't checked out the Fortuna bar girl scene. I assume that scene (and the massage in the high end hotel scene) continue as always. I don't see how the authorities could shut it down (too bothersome to the visiting businessmen) and it's carefully watched over. Never really enjoyed that aspect of Vietnam play that much. Prefer the more legit or, in fact, entirely legit girls.
Try the places around the corner from the Green Hotel, a bit more than usual offered. Also, the place near the Hilton is decent, but you are right overall. Must say, I did come across a massage place in a hotel in Ha Giang province up north that actually had locks on the door and curtained windows. Needless to say, FS was on the menu. I offered 200, 000 dong ($12. 50) after the deed, and was met with nothing but smiles. Nice to find a refreshing and hassle free spot.[QUOTE=Tempter]I've been in Hanoi for a few days, and I can say with certainty that the authorities have cooled off the pay for play, at least compared to what others described a while ago. They've shut down most of the cat toc (or is it hot toc, always forget) in the tourist areas or forced them to become totally legit. They continue to exist, as per usual, in the outlying areas and provinces, but in tourist areas, mostly not.
Instead, there are now a number of brightly advertised "Massage" places. These places do not offer hanky panky as a matter of course, though certain girls will sneak a hj and allow a feel. The difficulty is that the rooms in these mps have big windows and the bosses actually check on how things are proceeding. One girl wanted to give me a HJ out of the goodness of her heart, but kept staring out the window nervously the whole time.
I am a man of few words my friend i ask a question if i get a answer i am pleased !!!
If you look you will see i have posted some replys but it seems pointless posting something that somebody else as already said as happens so many times ;)
Anyone currently in town for the next few weeks? Where's a good girlfriendly hotel?
[QUOTE=Horny Toad]Anyone currently in town for the next few weeks? Where's a good girlfriendly hotel?[/QUOTE]Don't waste your time in Hanoi, head out to Haiphong and then Do Son beach resort, which is kind of like a Vietnamese Pattaya...tons of young stunners, no attitude, going rate 100,000 dong for the gal.
There's not much info on this forum - Hanoi can't be that dead!
I know a few Cat Tocs. There are 2 on Nghi Tam Rd near to the Sofitel. Walk along the side road and they are on the left. 2nd one friendlier than the first. 100K to the girl, 50k to the owner.
A lot near Pho Hue. 2 on Pham Thi Xuan, way down, one on the left and one on the right. A good one on the parallel road (Tran Viet Vuong?). Keep going down and it's on the right - has a blue sign. It's called Emperor and has some cute girls in there. 100k girl, 100k door.
Another near the Sunway Hotel near Lo Duc. Go out the hotel, turn right and it is at the first corner. There's a girl in there who could suck a golfball through a hose - don't know her name but she's from Saigon.
Most have black windows and Cat Toc Nam on the sign. All are blow job places and cheap. Enjoy.
Where are the girlfriendly hotels?
[QUOTE=Stinger 100]There's not much info on this forum - Hanoi can't be that dead!
I know a few Cat Tocs. There are 2 on Nghi Tam Rd near to the Sofitel. Walk along the side road and they are on the left. 2nd one friendlier than the first. 100K to the girl, 50k to the owner.
A lot near Pho Hue. 2 on Pham Thi Xuan, way down, one on the left and one on the right. A good one on the parallel road (Tran Viet Vuong?). Keep going down and it's on the right - has a blue sign. It's called Emperor and has some cute girls in there. 100k girl, 100k door.
Another near the Sunway Hotel near Lo Duc. Go out the hotel, turn right and it is at the first corner. There's a girl in there who could suck a golfball through a hose - don't know her name but she's from Saigon.
Most have black windows and Cat Toc Nam on the sign. All are blow job places and cheap. Enjoy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oldian]Don't waste your time in Hanoi, head out to Haiphong and then Do Son beach resort, which is kind of like a Vietnamese Pattaya...tons of young stunners, no attitude, going rate 100,000 dong for the gal.[/QUOTE]What's the scene out there then, Oldian? Can't imagine it being bars in the north - is it Karaoke or massage joints?
Not sure about the hotels Horny Toad... Imagine that the girls would know one and would want to go there. Be careful though, have heard rip-offs where there's a phonecall about 10 mins after getting in the room and then the girl says the police are coming. Also a million phone-nicking stories - not ideal mongering in HN.
[QUOTE=Horny Toad]Where are the girlfriendly hotels?[/QUOTE]My impression is that the peoples committee have Hanoi well under control. There are some tarts at the New Century disco but that seemed to be it.
In general in Vietnam the big hotels are not girl freindly and you need to find a small place with less than 30 rooms.
Haiphong sounds good to me!
If you just come to hai Phong for fucking purpose then it is a waste of time and money IMHO. I don't know if there is anything interesting in Hai Phong to see beside the fact that it is a port area for export. If you are a stranger, going to HP is asking for trouble as this town is notorious for tough guys who are always eager to prove their brawniness on strangers. A majority of Viet drug dealers in Canada and US are originally from Hai Phong. Be careful! Let your brain think instead of your dick.
[QUOTE=Stinger 100]What's the scene out there then, Oldian? Can't imagine it being bars in the north - is it Karaoke or massage joints?
In Do Son, there are tons of massage and karaoke, but seems to me that the karaoke was without karaoke, basically just rooms and ladies available. I can give you the name of one place in particular in Don Son if you'd like. They'll be thrilled to see another foreigner. These guys were great to me. 18-21 year old stunners day after day after day with absolutely ZERO attitude and great fun. At 100,000 dong a go and no hassles. I prefer to stay in Haiphong for the amenities, and go out to Do Son (bus 4000 dong every 20 minutes or so, runs pretty late too) for fun, but Do Son does have plenty of hotels and good seafood. I also found Cat Ba in Halong Bay to be pretty good. Tons of karaoke places. Locals pay 70,000 dong, foreigners can pay 150,000 if they know the price.
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]If you just come to hai Phong for fucking purpose then it is a waste of time and money IMHO. I don't know if there is anything interesting in Hai Phong to see beside the fact that it is a port area for export. If you are a stranger, going to HP is asking for trouble as this town is notorious for tough guys who are always eager to prove their brawniness on strangers. A majority of Viet drug dealers in Canada and US are originally from Hai Phong. Be careful! Let your brain think instead of your dick.[/QUOTE]Yeah, I wouldn't come to Haiphong just for sex, but after several months in Vietnam, I'd live in Haiphong over anywhere else in the country. Good food, great cafes and beer hoi, very relaxed, fantastic people, more English spoken than elsewhere, in two weeks in Haiphong had absolutely zero hassles or ripoffs. Maybe all the riffraff have gone overseas! There are 5 or more universities in Haiphong which may explain the large number of beautiful women, decent english speakers, or open attitudes I found everywhere. At least in the center of the city, couldn't have felt safer and with a greater group of people than in Haiphong. The city has an air of prosperity not found elsewhere in Vietnam, and as there are almost no tourists, there aren't the usual scam heads and other lowlife to deal with. There are a few sleazy moto drivers who hang out downtown, try to get you girls every night, they are mostly harmless. Once they knew I could get girls in Do Son every day for 100,000 dong, they cut their crap and dropped prices.
Are you Vietkieu? You sound like one. I bet there are many girls like you said. Just like you go to China's rural areas - same situation applies- without the language barrier one can be at ease and find cheap fuck relatively simple.
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]Are you Vietkieu? You sound like one. I bet there are many girls like you said. Just like you go to China's rural areas - same situation applies- without the language barrier one can be at ease and find cheap fuck relatively simple.[/QUOTE]No, I am as white boy as they come. I just have a penchant for getting off the beaten path and paying local prices. I live in Thailand and have a ton of Asia experience, so I suppose I have good street sense, price sensibilities, and know how to avoid trouble. Looking forward to going to Yunnan in the fall.
Can you get a visa on arrival here ?
Im a Brit who will travel from Thailand !!!
[QUOTE=Patterson]Can you get a visa on arrival here ?
Im a Brit who will travel from Thailand !!![/QUOTE]
It takes about 2 days and US$60 to get a visa.
[QUOTE=Mediboy]Spent 2 days in Hanoi for work, Horizon hotel stay, very good value for money in the 5* range. City's dead after 10pm. Only New Century disco is rocking, went in around 10pm, was packed. About a dozen of freelancers upstairs not too puchy but not too great either.
The Massage place opposite to Hilton (reported before) has friendly staff, massage for less than 10USD, add another 250K Dong and can neg two (!) BJs, one to start with to calm things down for the massage and one at the end to conclude. nice.[/QUOTE]
Decided to try the place across from the HIlton based on past reports. Easy to find - it's almost directly across from front door of Hilton.
Clearly a HJ is on the ticket. But I couldn't negotiate anything more - BJ was definitely not on the menu with my girl tonight! And the massage was about the worst I have received anywhere in the world. Way too much pressure and everytime I asked her to tone it down, that lasted about 3 minutes, and then we were back to massaging a horse. Bent digits back too far and the like. When this heavy girl offered to walk on my back I said definitely no thank you to that one. I also declined her HJ, as her skills at everything else were so slim that I had no reason to think it would do anything but turn me off. After she just ab out massaged the skin off my face, I got up and ended the massage a few minutes early. She pretty much demanded a tip, which I was in no mood to give.
Probably the experience varies froim girl to girl and with better language skills than I have in Vietnamese. (Me- none). But if you find yourself with a short smily chubby girl from HCMC, you might want to check into switching to another!
Does anyone know of the action across the Fortuna Hotel, namely, Oasis Sauna? Price, performance, quality, system?
Instead of waiting for comments and reports, I decide to check this place out. It is located right across the Fortuna Hotel..can't miss it.
Place is relatively clean (somewhat upscale for Hanoi), with rooms separated into VIP or regular rooms. VIP rooms go for $25 per 1.5 hr, while the regular rooms are $12 per 1 hr. Besides difference in time, VIP rooms feature in-room jacuzzi, steam bath and massage bed, while the regular rooms only feature a massage bed. Needless to say, with the facilities installed, VIP rooms offer value-added services such as having the masseuse bathe you - but I wonder if having her rub clean your shlong was worth the $13 difference. Long story short, I was there at 7:30pm, and there were around 45 girls to choose from (quite a bit, huh?). I'd have to say the quality of masseuse were all above a score of 6 out of 10, and a few I thought were 8s or close to 9s (Fair skinned, tall, balanced figures, slim-long legs, better than average face) No FS was offered, but the No.30 that I had gave an extremely well-techniqued HJ after an hour+ of good massage. Damage: VND 150k for the girl as tips and $25 for the room. Bottom line: I'd recommend it to fellow mongers looking for attractive women to give nothing more but a good HJ.
Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.
Given that internet server activity in Vietnam is monitored by the government, at least sporadically, have any users encountered a problem with accessing ISG inside the country? Advice from users living in Vietnam would be particularly welcome.
[QUOTE=Jayman 05]Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Stayed at the Hilton about 9 months ago, and no not GF friendly. I had a girl drop me off one evening after dinner and I was as sick as a dog and she was scared even to take me to the lifts, but would not enter.
I have also stayed at the Melia and my girl reckoned it was ok for her to be there, but only until midnight, although think that was a load of BS, think she had a boyfriend to get back too. Have also stayed at the Daewoo and by all accounts the only girls they would let to your room were the ones from Club Q downstairs. Last time I stayed at the Daewoo the the girl I meet in Club Q (actually the same girl I spoke about in the Melia and Hilton) wouldn't come to my room and I had to take her to a short time hotel.
Vietnam isn't the most GF friendly place, especially at the 4*+ end of things.
Thanks JC,
First time in Hanoi so appreciate the information. Will post a report on our experience in Hanoi.
I stayed at the Melia a few months back and it was definitely not GF. (See previous post)
The Daewoo used to be GF about a year or so ago, but they changed the policy due to government pressure.
I have never stayed at the Hilton.
[QUOTE=Jayman 05]Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Have only been to HCMC a few times but my sense is that most 4 and 5 star hotels are NOT GF. Yes, mongers have sneaked girls up at times but the general rule is no.
The few times I visited, made extra effort to get GF hotels and avoid the hassle of having the girl turned away by security.
Many of the girls, including mamasan are reluctant for house calls unless they know the hotel, which are usually 3 stars or less. One of them told me that if they're caught, they get sent to the country for 1 yr to work in the fields (??).
Anything better than a 3 star hotel in Hanoi or HCMC will not be girl friendly although you may find a way to smuggle the girl in.
There are a lot of clean small hotels in both cities that are in the $25 per night range and these hotels will normally let you bring the girl in although they will keep her ID until she leaves.
I find using these hotels preferable to the short time hotels the mamas and girls push.
If I have business meeting I choose one near a five star hotel and meet people in the lobby or restaurants. No-one knows the difference.
[QUOTE=Jayman 05]Hi guys,
I will be travelling to Hanoi for the first time in a couple of weeks. I've RTFF and there doesn't seem to be much info on GF hotels. There was a post that the Hilton is the only 5* that is GF? Has anyone stayed there lately and found it ok to bring back lady or ladies? Is it possible to check in to a good hotel with a VN girl? Any help would be much appreciated.[/QUOTE]
Was in Hanoi over the weekend. Wasn't planning on exchanging local currency as I didn't think I would have the time to go out.
One night, couldn't sleep so walked out of the hotel. Only had plan on working up a sweat then go to sleep, but was pestered by this tricycle guy who wouldn't leave me along. His English was very poor. I said I don't have Vietname money nor US dollar. He said Ok, Ok, no problem, massage. I was like, whadda hell, how bad could it be? I was sleepless anyway.
Off I went with him and began a horrible experience in Hanoi. He peddled me far away from my hotel, about 20 min, to a place that has Sauna/Massage sign outside. Along the way, I saw many signs, didn't know why he insisted on this particular one. Once inside, the girls examined the currency I carried for a long time, they took what's equivalent of $6 US and sent me off to a shabby room.(Thank god, they didn't screw me.) I had wanted to choose the girls but couldn't speak the language and wasn't sure what kind of service was really offered. I could only wait. A couple of minutes later, a woman came in. She looked OK 5/10, about 25~35. Can't really tell.
She told me to take a shower then began massage. The massage wasn't bad but wasn't great either. When it was finished in about 50 min, she pointed to little-me making gestures. I was like, ok, whadda hell. So she went down to do her thing until little-me was just start to get happy. She then jumped off and pulled me over to my pants and said money money. I was like OK~ what a turn off but sort of had no choice. I opend my wallet in front of her, which was a huge mistake. She immediately took 3 of the biggest bills inside which was equivalent of over US$100. I am like no way am I giving you that. ( I heard monthly income is $60/month) I immediately took 1 bill back. I was like, fuck it, US $60 my loss not coming back again.
She then went to work again. Took sometime to wake up little me. I saw that she had to plan to finish me off with her hand and mouth, I was like no way man, US$60 is enough cover full service in developing countries. When I gestured to her that I want the whole thing, she went to my wallet again and want another big bill. This really pissed me off. In the end, the damage was over $100 for a very shitty FS.
When I came out, I was pissed. The tricycle driver kept on asking me is it good, I said no. He wanted to meet me again the next day, I said I have no time and will be leaving. He then insisted on taking me another part of town for boom boom. During the negotiation, he took a big bill from my wallet(US$30). By this time, I was like, fuck it, let's see what a rip off night this will end up being.
We arrived at a part of town where girls on scooter approached us to offer service. I took a look at a couple of them, and decided on one. But it turned out she only wanted local currency.(I found this out later) So we rode around looking for big hotels that offer exchange service. We ended up at one, the tricycle rider went inside with me and again said money money. I was like, hey asshole, I just gave you US$30, why don't you exchange that one??? In the end, I offered one big bill for exchange. This should only work out to be around half a million local currency, but this is when tide started turning in my favor. Like I always said, the world is not fair, but GOD is. The clerk, not familiar with currency exchange offered me 3 times the amount. I even did the calculation in front of them, and they didn't pick up on it. I was confused and thought I got the exchange rate wrong.(When I came back to civilization, I confirmed I wasn't)
Anyway, so off we went again. The tricycle rider took 2/3 of the local currency leaving me with the rest. He peddled me to an ally with a short stay motel. There were a lot of working girls there. He tried to make me pay with my own money again, and I was like no, you have the money. He gave in as others were present. It seemed he paid the girl with $400k~$500k, gave the hotel $300k and everything was go. The girl and I got up stairs to a room. Nothing special, lay down, strip, blow, mount, dismount, very mechanical and boring. The only thing fun was choosing girls on motor-bikes.
When the tri-cycle rider sent me back to my hotel 2.5 hrs after he first saw me, he stopped a good 50 m away from the entrance. Here, he tried to make me pay him again. I had completely lost my benevolence to these people by this point. I said no and walked off. He was very well compensated for already. Originally he told me it was only going to be US$6 for his service, and the greedy bastard now has over US$30 in his hands. I ended up back in my room in one piece but vowed never to go for service in developing countries again.
A word of advice to others, if you like to screw women who lay there like dead fish, who don't shower before or after the deed, who doesn't really work on turning you on, then be my guest. I will stick to saunas in Taiwan, Macau and Hong Kong or AMP in US and Japan.
Come to think of it, the tricycle rider might have wanted to rob me at the end. That's why he stopped a good distance away from my hotel. I wasn't scared b'c I am pretty well built and trained to take on punks like him. In fact, I was sort of waiting for him to make his move. However, a taxi driver waiting near the hotel drove up cutting in between us. I wasn't sure if this was a coincedence. Perhaps the taxi driver just wanted some business from me or he saw what was about to go down and decided to intervene.
In conclusion, don't go messing around in developing countries (had shity experience in China as well) like these unless you have the channels and a proper guide.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
[QUOTE=OldAsiaHand]I stayed at the Melia a few months back and it was definitely not GF. (See previous post)
The Daewoo used to be GF about a year or so ago, but they changed the policy due to government pressure.
I have never stayed at the Hilton.[/QUOTE]
What happened at the Melia? I read you report a few pages back and it said you snuck a girl in, but why do you think it isn't GF friendly.
The girl who came and spent the evening with me in the Melia 2 nights in a row just walked in hand and hand with me, both times about 9pm. This was probably October last year. This is the one who said it was ok for her but only until midnight. I am not sure if this is true or BS, leaving at midnight that is. Both nights at I walked her out to the waiting motor bike taxis, she wouldn't even let me pay for a regular Hanoi cab.
OT for Hanoi but a girl I know in Ho Chi Minh reckons it is ok for her to come to my room when I stay at the ledgend but only if she gets in before 9pm and stays till morning. I've meet a few bar girls who have offered to come to the Ledgend but only during the day, never at night.
VN is certainly an odd place to punt if you want hotel visits.
I am staying at the Melia right now. It is definitely NOT girl friendly. Anything after 8:00PM is practically impossible. Only way I have discovered is to get them up to the Latino Bar on the 3rd floor before 11:00PM. Once they are there, they can use the elevators to get to your room. Most are too afraid of the police to follow through and do this. P4P in Viet Nam is best done during the daylight hours if you can manage it.
Thanks to everyone who answered my question about GF hotels in Hanoi. Just finished a four day stint there. My first time there, so apologies if I am repeating information already covered.
The first thing I should mention is the GF Hotel situation in Hanoi. I stayed at the Hilton thinking that if they didn't let a girl in then I'd find a cheaper place. However, the first night, approx 2am (expecting to be told no), the guy at the Hilton smiled at my friend and I (and our two girls), and took the girls ID. we had to sign a disclaimer which worried me a little as I had already taken a stroll through the old Hanoi Hilton earlier that day and wasn't keen on staying at a place like that!
I asked him if there maybe any problems because I would tell her to go home. He said to me that it will be okay and make sure I lock up my things in the safe before we go to sleep.
Similar story for the following two nights. The final night when I turned up there, I was told that it was World Cup final night and he worried Police might come and do raid, he said if I take girl to my room I must be quick!
Overall, I think if the Hilton promoted this type of service on their website they would do a roaring trade lol!
Judging by previous threads I can only assume it is really hit and miss as to whether the Hotel is GF depending on what is happening with the Police and crackdowns etc.
Went to a couple of clubs.
The first one (and by far the best of the two):
Is the New Century Disco. Every Taxi driver knows it so no problem getting there (about 50K VND from Hilton). There are no shortage of girls and all you have to do is sit there and they will come up to you. Every night we had around 5-7 standing around us at one time. The bar staff are great and we generally had a good time every night.
The second one:
Fortuna Hotel, Boss Nightclub (I think):
You walk through the door and there is a row of girls sitting on each side (easily 20-30 girls) that obviously take turns at grabbing whatever walks through the door. Might be good for some, but for me I like to choose what is on the menu, not be part of the menu! The other thing the girls told me was that it costs approx USD21 to sit and talk per hour!
In summary, the Quantity of girls was probably more than New Century but I think the quality at New Centuary was better. New Century was louder and more club style with a definite younger crowd (but not exclusively), and Boss nightclub a little more laid back with seats and quiter music. I am sure both clubs cater for different tastes.
A plug for Hanoi in General. IMHO I think the number of beautiful girls in Hanoi outweigh any other Asian country I have been to per capita by a long way. Maybe it has something to do with the never ending stream of beautiful bodies passing you on those little motorbikes. There are also alot more motorbikes per capita :-)) Definately worth a visit.
[b][u]EDITOR'S NOTE[/u]:[/b] [blue]I certainly hope that the author or somebody else will post a link to this report in the Reports of Distinction thread.[/blue]
[QUOTE=Kingq]I am staying at the Melia right now. It is definitely NOT girl friendly. Anything after 8:00PM is practically impossible. Only way I have discovered is to get them up to the Latino Bar on the 3rd floor before 11:00PM. Once they are there, they can use the elevators to get to your room. Most are too afraid of the police to follow through and do this. P4P in Viet Nam is best done during the daylight hours if you can manage it.[/QUOTE]
Have never had any problems. Entered the Melia last night with VN gal at about 10:30 PM, no problems. Went up to the Latino Bar for a few drinks, then on exiting to the elevators one of the staff pressed the up button to the rooms with a big smile on his face.
Have travelled in Vietnam with a local girl, sure the issue is raised at check-in, but is usually easily resolved, and I don't mean booking two rooms or any extra money being handed over. This talk about police raids in hotels is nonsence. What are they going to do, knock on every hotel room and do a head count and check passports/ID? My aproach is to look confident, keep cool, and not get into any long-winded debate. Those long periods of silence work wonders in Asia.
there is a TINY museum that was left, but the former Hanoi Hilton (home of POW John McCain) was razed and replaced by the Hanoi Towers joint venture (with Singapore) several years ago.
I liked New Century too, BUT you better have high tolerance for people bumpoing into you, smoke and 100+ decibel noiselevel! Unfriggin believbable how smoky, hot and noisy it gets.
KEY tip on girlfriendly hotels in VN: When you find one NEVER mention it on public access internet boards. Send it by email to trusted friends but posting is the kiss of death.
ALL hotels must pay bribes to have VN guests alllowed in. The reason, or so I am told, that minihotels are more likely to be guest friendly is that the 5 stars are hit up for bigger bribes (and often balk at paying the bribes demanded).
I will take your word for it that there was lots of action available inside the Hilton. I believe the Hilton was paying big money to the cops if that was the case. I personally saw the local police come to pick up their nightly bia om money from the hotel where I stayed. I think I wrote the whole story on here last Christmas.
They are the least communist, and most materialistic/capitalistic, people I have ever encountered, so I agree with you about the economic situation.
[QUOTE=Surfer]ALL hotels must pay bribes to have VN guests alllowed in. The reason, or so I am told, that minihotels are more likely to be guest friendly is that the 5 stars are hit up for bigger bribes (and often balk at paying the bribes demanded).[/QUOTE]
Total nonsence. These places are full of VN guests, and I have stayed at these places numerous time with VN "companions". Secret is a respectable facade and discreetness, it's as simple as that. Those who see a bribe-taking cop behind every tree won't progress too far in understanding how things operate.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]Total nonsence. These places are full of VN guests, and I have stayed at these places numerous time with VN "companions". Secret is a respectable facade and discreetness, it's as simple as that. Those who see a bribe-taking cop behind every tree won't progress too far in understanding how things operate.[/QUOTE]I think what surfer meant was that the owners of these hotels would have to pay bribes to the government. The guests of the hotels are not bothered by the police. Having living in Vietnam for over 2 years, I realize that everyone who's operating any kind of business are required to pay a monthly "tax". These taxes do not go into the government funds but directly into the pockets of the person who's collecting it. Minus a percentage that goes to his boss.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]Total nonsence. These places are full of VN guests, and I have stayed at these places numerous time with VN "companions". Secret is a respectable facade and discreetness, it's as simple as that. Those who see a bribe-taking cop behind every tree won't progress too far in understanding how things operate.[/QUOTE]
I agree Pak Mike. Some of this wacky stuff Surfer is reporting is not just nonsense, it's bullshit. If you look at his posts, it's unclear if he's even been to some of these destinations.
Haven't been to Hanoi but I did stay at the New World Hotel in Saigon a couple of years ago. Its one of the 'official' hotels in the city. There was a no-girl policy there. Quite strict.
Surfer likes to make up things and present them as 'facts'. His imagination is elastic. His memory is spotty.
Between that and his racial comments, well, I think that the Vn mongers should be on notice.
Sorry, I just have to call a spade a spade.
Don
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]
Surfer likes to make up things and present them as 'facts'. His imagination is elastic. His memory is spotty.
Between that and his racial comments, well, I think that the Vn mongers should be on notice.
Sorry, I just have to call a spade a spade.
Don[/QUOTE]
I think that is pretty funny about the racial shit. Haven't you been given that label long before???
Surfer has been to VN and has posted a FANTASTIC report with tos of fotos. He posted on a different private board where there are not so many idiots (present company included).
For those that think that Surfer is full of shit. Go ahead and believe it; you will be missing out on GREAT mongering advice and info.
$Bill
PS - in the last 25 posts of Don's:
10 posts NOT mentioning Surfer (40%)
14 posts mentioning Surfer (56%)
1 post censored by Jackson for being off topic. (4%)
I just read Dollar's report and the first question that came to mind is:
How many dollars did Surfer pay Dollar to write this sycophantic 'report'?
I mean, a guy whose handle includes the $ sign--how much integrity can he have?
If this is Surfer's 'following', then I can only laugh. Not much opposition here.
Yo Dollar! Pm me will you? I want to counter Surfer's offer.
Don
[QUOTE=Dollar Bill]I think that is pretty funny about the racial shit. Haven't you been given that label long before???
Surfer has been to VN and has posted a FANTASTIC report with tos of fotos. He posted on a different private board where there are not so many idiots (present company included).
[For those that think that Surfer is full of shit.] Go ahead and believe it; you will be missing out on GREAT mongering advice and info.
$Bill
PS - in the last 25 posts of Don's:
10 posts NOT mentioning Surfer (40%)
14 posts mentioning Surfer (56%)
1 post censored by Jackson for being off topic. (4%)[/QUOTE]
[quote=whisper1]i think what surfer meant was that the owners of these hotels would have to pay bribes to the government. the guests of the hotels are not bothered by the police. having living in vietnam for over 2 years, i realize that everyone who's operating any kind of business are required to pay a monthly "tax". these taxes do not go into the government funds but directly into the pockets of the person who's collecting it. minus a percentage that goes to his boss.[/quote]
my experience on this one is that those who are paying this monthly "tax" are the businesses that are "cooking the books" by under reporting turnover etc. in my case, i keep everything 100% clean and welcome these characters to go through things with a fine tooth comb, and when they find nothing send them on their way with a smile. a few businesses are waking up to this now and doing the same as it is cheaper in the long run to pay all the taxes that are due through the proper channels. at the same time the government is getting smarter at cracking down. for example a lot of raids recently on shops with imported cosmetics. if they could not produce purchase documents etc the stock was confirep001ed.
Prov and Don are following me to yet ANOTHER thread, about ANOTHER place where neither of them has ever been. I travel and share info (and pictures) they criticize and flame while adding nothing. Sorry to all readers of THIS folder that my attempt to share m,y experiences caused these two obsessive losers to pollute this thread too.
Pakmike: I SAW IT IN HCMC (the handing of a packet of cash from the Hotel manager to the cops in a White jeep marked SAT) WITH MY OWN EYES. My friend who has lived in Dako, near Dien Bien Phu bridge at the edge of District 1, for many years also told me how it works (which his Vietnamese partner confirmed). I am NOT bashing VN at all, but to deny that the police force is willing to accept a little Bia Om money to look the other way(as they do in MANY countries) is to deny reality IMHO.
Maybe they were cooking the books at my hotel in HCMC, but the cops looked at no papers. They sat out front, silenty, for at least 30 minutes until the inhouse bar closed. They watched foreigners enter, and exit, with VN girls dressed in a suggestive manner. They OBVIOUSLY knew what was going on. One cop got out (there were 4), walked in the nightclub (to ensure it closed apparently), then about 5 minutes later the manager walked up to the boss (in passenger seat) and handed him a wad of dong then they drove off. I was 5 meters away inside the lobby surfing the internet and saw the whole thing quite clearly.
And I am speaking of what I observed in HCMC, not in Hanoi (I did get hit up for a bribe by the bellboy to bring in a girl thee, but saw no cops). Also, the cops were REALY cracking down on sidewalk cafes; we saw the cops pull up in a van, seize all the tables and chairs from the sidewalk and haul the proprietor off to the station. I am told they must pay biog "fines" to get their livlihood back. Because you do business in VN, and because it is well known that the police monitor ALL internet usage (including on this site), I can TOTALLY understand why you feel the need to disagree.
Good luck to you.
i arrived in the north by air at ha noi’s noi bai airport which, unlike sai gon’s, is spacious and new. ha noi is only a 1 hour flight from hong kong while sai gon is 2 hours flight from either. when i was there, the weather was beautiful with highs of 70 and clear skies, but it is often cold (though rarely rainy) in december. summer is oppressively hot and humid, so november-
december, and march-april are the suggested times for visiting (unless you like hot and muggy).
the airport is about 35kms from the city on ha noi, a city which has had close to a dozen names over its lifetime, thang long having been the most durable and famous. there is a freeway that begins right outside the airport (one of only 2 or 3 true freeways in the country) making it pretty quick to the outskirts of the city (40 minutes if no traffic). taxi fare is $10, agree in advance of course, but you can take the viet nam airlines bus to the center for $2. now this freeway with 100kph speed limit (highest in the entire country) has crossings for oxcarts, bicycles and pedestrians. suffice to say that things that crossed slowly that met fast moving vehicles created much roadkill when the freeway opened (reputedly 5 fatalities on very first day!) . while some measures have been taken to reduce the carnage, i suspect it is still quite high and offer anecdotal evidence to support this hypothesis.
new century disco is the hotspot, but you better have a high tolerance for 3 digit decibel levels and second hand smoke (read: a brew of 1,000s of carcinogens) in concentrations that are clearly harmful to health. god bless california's absolute prohibition on smoking in any enclosure except a private residence or hotel room. to breath fresh air again softens the sting of
returning to america the repressed!
just southwest of the lake, no more than 10 minutes taxi ride from the old quarter (should be no more than 20,000dong taxi fare), this huge, dark, two story, disco is somewhat reminiscent of jakarta’s stadium (though no firebreathing dragon). huge numbers of unfriendly bouncers and drink pourers (cute girls who wander around looking for empty glasses which they promptly
refill from the purchased bottles of johnny walker that are stocked on most every table) provide a major employment center. the patrons appreciate it so they can keep hands free for lighting cigarettes and fiddling with cellphones. add to this tremendous crowds of people bumping into you all the time and it should not surprise that i hated these aspects of it.
however, the pairs of hot dancers in sexy outfits dancing up on the bar downstairs in the middle, who look like they are on x (anybody who knows jakarta should think of the professional dancers at tanamur’s or jj’s ), add more appeal. plus there were a fairly large number of lookers there for the taking although most were in groups with at least one or two guys. free lockers outside are a nice touch for storing your fannypack or whatever. no cover, but drinks are $3 or $4. i saw only 2 other roundeye, who were old and ugly, hanging by the exit looking for stragglers. beware fleecing by taxi drivers on the way home late at night (seems to close at 1am despite local rule requiring midnight closure). i made good eye contact wit a few but the earsplitting noise coupled with the difficulty of understanding vietnamese made it challenging to communicate. to put it mildly.
so after enjoying watching the scene inside for an hour or so, when an english speaking woman with a trim and hard body hit on me in very forward fashion near the door of the club, instead of spending some time feeling the vibe i rashly agreed to go to her minihotel. she merely asked “we go hotel i massage you” while stroking my stick. i had taken the vitamin upon arriving, so i was ready to go. also, truth be told i could no longer tolerate either the smoke or the techno blasting at 120db. first warning signal should have been when i got fleeced for 200k at the hotel desk (place was a dark dump). we went upstairs, never having discussed money, then got a good massage and good (but not great) boomboom. all was finished within an hour. so i gave her a generous $30, but she threw a "you give me fifty dollah" hissyfit. she tried every trick in the book, but i refused to yield and after saying "if i man i boxing you"while her face was red with anger, she stormed out. i then grabbed a taxi for the 3 minute ride back and he demands "$5 dollah". i offered the $2 in my pocket, double the rate i had paid on the way over when the guy used the meter. again, an ugly scene requiring me to get the clerk of my hotel to come out to the street to play mediator while the driver bitched and moaned for a good 15 minutes before grudgingly accepting double the true fare. an ugly pair of back to back confrontations that i do not look forward to repeating and among the uglier incidents i have had in years of mongering, however, would not dissuade me from the white skinned beauties for which ha noi is famous.
on my second night, i walked along the lake looking for xe om girls but saw none. i did have 2 guys ask me if i was interested in going to some bar where there were girls, but i eventually just sought a non hustling taxi driver. found one who spoke a bit if english. first he drove me to 2 casas (they exist in ha noi) in a rich area north along west lake (ho tay)near the london school of design (i recall that sign) where they presented a lineup of about 12 girls in the same way it is done in colombia. the quality was soso, none better than a 7. after perusing all of them several times, noticing which made eye contact and smiled at me, i eventually picked one of the 7s. she was a 19yo looking spinner with porcelain skin (no boobs though ) and she got a huge grin when i picked her. but then the negotiations began thorough the taxi driver as interpreter. the pimp (a guy about 30) wanted me to use an onsite room for the assignation (and wanted $40). i countered with $40 but at my hotel fir several hours. a first he was adamant that she could not leave, but then the girl said something to him (like she wanted to go with me) and he said ok. things were looking up. but then the negotiations began, and he insisted on $100 for take out. i balked and we bailed. the driver said locals would pay 150,000 ($10) he said take out is rare (because expensive and few locals have private rooms for sex.)
he said he had a girl in mind and kept calling her until he ran out of credits on his cell. eventually she called and we went down to the south (residential) part of the city to meet her. she turned out to be very gfe, but she speaks zero english (and he very little). we agreed on 900,000 ($50) for all night, she gave him 300,000. despite difficulty in communication, we sat at
a local style restaurant while she ate something, then we crossed the street and knocked on the metal shudders to wake the guard. he lets us in, then tapped his pillow suggesting a tip. the night it turned out great and as soon as she saw the camera she stripped down and started posing suggestively. what a welcome change from times when you have to battle to get a risque foto (plus pay extra). very responsive and agreeable. fun girl who smiled and acted happy. i have her number and her permission to give it to friends who might visit (perhaps easiest through the taxi driver, bao, who can be reached at deleted). she did not want to leave in the morning. very accommodating girl, but my vietnamese is better than her english (which should tell you something).
Because of the police state that is VN, I would never post pictures of girls or comment on which hotels are girl friendly on a public access board such as this.
I gave up after the second paragraph. The one about the emperors hundreds of years ago and all. Where's the broads? Who got laid? Who didn't? Sounds like a monger's version of War and Peace. And I fought off more than one professor in college who tried to get me to read that goddam thing.
This thing reminds me of the now-banned Juniour's reports. They used to run for pages too. I never read more than the first paragraph. His used to begin with 'I arose at seven am and prepared some coffee'. Jesus!
Surfer, ya gotta know your audience. Mongers have an attention span that is as long as a cum shot. Keep it short. Thats my advice to you.
Don
I don't see the point of bashing Surfer for expressing his views and experiences but I also don't see the need to read such long posts.
As for the truth behind GF hotels and bribes etc I am prepared to believe that it could be all of what has been discussed as not much happens in VN without money changing hands. I am also prepared to believe that punters on occasions have been able to smuggle their friends in.
I also adhere to the view that some discretion is required on a public forum such as this. Posting or even PMing of phone numbers etc and specific hotels etc can cause a lot of trouble.
What I do know is that if I want to be sure of being able to bring friends back to my hotel and not some unknown short time dive then I had better choose one of the smaller cheaper hotels.
My experience in HCMC and Hanoi is that these hotels are usually clean and well run with very personalised service.
[QUOTE=Dashing Don]I mean, a guy whose handle includes the $ sign--how much integrity can he have?
Don[/QUOTE]
$Bill my nickname from the old days when I lived in the US and use to visit strip joints. We are all just a "dollar bill" to the girls in this line of work, nothing more. So when strippers would ask my name, I would just say Dollar Bill.
Pretty innocent huh?
$Bill
Mark up a couple more post of Don's with some reference to Surfer. It almost appears that Don has a CRUSH!
Any hotels in VN and China (communist countries) that accomodate prostitutes for their customers MUST somehow bribe the officials. I believe there is no exception to this rule. The ones who do not pay on time or try to operate secretly will be cracked down and punished.
Surfer,
Your report while is long has some interesting points. It is ironic that foreigners may enjoy a better sense of security over us South Vietnamese or Vietkieu in Hanoi. I'd never go to that place by myself for being afraid of getting robbed. On things to see I do not wish to see Ho's Mausoleum because the guy and his gang brought so much blood and tears to my people. His gang is now enjoying the sole supreme and absolute power holder role and trying to reap as much benefits as possible in case power changes hands within the same party.
The story about Trung's army (mostly led by women) got psyched out by the naked Chinese army is hilarious and fictitious. I heard of this story when I was young and also thought it was true. Keep in mind that the Vietnamese at the time were still very primitive and had no such sense of decency which came from Chinese Confucious thinking. The Amazon warrior women when they see a naked man probably will hunt him down for rewards :)
JC373,
The girl came in the daytime pretending to be my accounting staff. I came down to the lobby and escorted her up to the room. This was not possible in the evening.
OAH
[QUOTE=Jc373]What happened at the Melia? I read you report a few pages back and it said you snuck a girl in, but why do you think it isn't GF friendly.
The girl who came and spent the evening with me in the Melia 2 nights in a row just walked in hand and hand with me, both times about 9pm. This was probably October last year. This is the one who said it was ok for her but only until midnight. I am not sure if this is true or BS, leaving at midnight that is. Both nights at I walked her out to the waiting motor bike taxis, she wouldn't even let me pay for a regular Hanoi cab.
OT for Hanoi but a girl I know in Ho Chi Minh reckons it is ok for her to come to my room when I stay at the ledgend but only if she gets in before 9pm and stays till morning. I've meet a few bar girls who have offered to come to the Ledgend but only during the day, never at night.
VN is certainly an odd place to punt if you want hotel visits.[/QUOTE]
Hi Bro's,
I will be on business trip this Sunday, reaching Hanoi at 1900, just wonder what could I try out when I will be in Hanoi...??
You guide is much appreciated... What is the price range for action?
Furthermore, I don't knows what is the currency exchange look like..!!
1 US = ?Dong
1 RM = ? Dong
Cheers brothers...
During my stay in the "residential hotel" area on the west side of the lake 1.5 years ago, I kept hearing a loud speaker saying some words at 07:30 every morning for about 5 minutes.
I went to the bottom floor to ask what they are saying and the lady told me they are greeting everyone and telling them to clean up the streets outside and work hard... I can see in her eyes she looked like she was making it up but I thought nothing of it- it was too long for just that.
A couple of days later my Nam GF arrived from Saigon and stayed with me there for the week. The 1st morning when I was woken up at 7:30 by the horn, I woke her up and asked her what they are saying and I saw her eyes get big.
She refused to tell me and I kept insisting. Finally she hesitantly told me," they are warning us there are many foreigners staying in the area and if you meet them, do not believe anything they say as they are all liars. Anything they tell you about their home country is false. Vietnam is the best country in the world and you are being well taken care of. We give you everything you need...."
Innocent enough but interesting- Welcome to Hanoi
[QUOTE=don1010ho]You made a right decision to declined the $50usd HJ. i said $20usd is max for HJ, if the girl is nice and pleased with the services, i can go for $30usd. For me HN is i like better, the city is old, quiet, not noisy like modern SG. Have fun in VN and play safe.[/QUOTE]$20 usd for a HJ is the price in the US. That is on top of regular tip.
In VN, at som Hot Toc Nam, you can have a BJ for VND100,000 or USD$8. Taking purchasing power into play, US$20 for a HJ in VN is too expensive, unless you try to impress the girl and ask for her number. Don't demand-pull the market. That is why Vietnam is kind of expensive, nowadays.
Hi there,
I am new to this board. I would appreciate anybody's advice on the best girlfriendly hotels to stay in. ($30 and below).
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Jakese]Hi there,
I am new to this board. I would appreciate anybody's advice on the best girlfriendly hotels to stay in. ($30 and below).
Thanks![/QUOTE]
Try Heart Hotel - near lake in centre of old town.
Checked in at the Fortuna hotel for 2 nights.
Showerd and went downstairs to check the BOSS (night club).
Loudly live band and empty dancing platform.
Almost no clients but maybe 100 gals.
Went directly to sit near the bar and ordered local beer.
2 seconds past and someone was behind me - 2 gals.
One speaking decent English - looks 7/10 (tall, nice smile) in almost total darkness
start pushing me to sit with her (18US$) I didnt say a word so she start to talk about me taking her to my room (100US$ ST)
We agreed on 80US$ LT , I gave her my room # and left.
5 minutes later she nocked on my door, talking bla bla bla.
Asked to order some food and then had a shower.
I was already waiting in the bed, nice BBBJ and once she could feel my erection she dressed me with the rain coat and we steped into doggie.
She was moaning and pushing and quickly it ended.
Second shower and she started to get dressed - where are you going I asked her and she gave me the story about the sick mother.
I gave her 50US$ and there she went - be aware from #166 " DIEP"
Crossed the road from the Fortuna and got into Oasis hotel.
Hotel elevator to 5th floor.
Regular room is ok ( not more ) just a massage bed.
Asked to wait there but I insist to see the gals.
Short line of 4 gals - choosed a skinny one ( no name and no English at all).
We got to the room she asked me to get naked a move to the bed - She stayed fully dressed.
First the back and then when I turned up she started to get closer and closer to my ****
With no English she asked me how much I am ready to pay for a "good massage for baby"
I refused to say and she asked for 800,000 - I smiled and refused.
Quickly she was down to 500, then 300 and we agreed on 200.
Quick HJ ( 2/10 ) and bye bye.
Room cost 90,000 )
Hi guys,
Is here anyone to give me an information how it woks with the girls in the Boss club when I didn't have a room in the Fortuna Hotel.
Is it possibe that the girl comes with me in another hotel?
Thankx for all info.
Hi,
Is here anyone who knows if its possible to go with an girl from Boss Cub in another Hotel. (I have no room in Fortuna, I'm staying in Horizon) :-(
Greetings
Hi Guys,
Was in Hanoi a few weeks ago, stayed in the Hilton Opera. Must say, Vietnamese ladies look very nice, however in terms of funny business I was a little bit disappointed.
Nite 1: followed to the massage place which is 1 minute to your left if you leave the Hilton Hotel. Indeed, was not expensive, but also it was just a standard hand job
Nite 2: decided to take one of the bicycle taxis with the Hilton logo on it. The guy showed me around Hanoi for about 3 hours. Was approached by ladies on scooters 2 times, asking me if I wanted to go to the house with Mamma. Also spotted 2 street walkers somewhere in the old town. However, due to lack of energy decided to ask the bicyclist for a massage place. After 30 minutes of cycling he took me to a place which was similar to the one close to the Hilton, however 2 times more expensive. The funny thing was that the massage girls was rather horny, and I had to finger her pussy. Otherwise nothing special
General: besides the ladies that approached me on the scooter whilst I was in the bicycle taxi, outside of the Hilton a few times also got approached by ladies on scooters. I think the deal is that they take you to the Mamma's place or something. The Hilton hotel itself had no action inside. Also asked the concierge, but he pretended like he did not understand.
Conclusion: you need to know your way around in Hanoi, otherwise it will just be handjobs at some old rundown massage place
See you
Tom
Totally agree with you. Wne there twice and all I had was 4 handjobs in some really shitty massage parlours. Could not even touch their boobs as they were not even supposed to provide handjobs. Damn.
[QUOTE=Tom Schilders]Hi Guys,
Was in Hanoi a few weeks ago, stayed in the Hilton Opera. Must say, Vietnamese ladies look very nice, however in terms of funny business I was a little bit disappointed.
Nite 1: followed to the massage place which is 1 minute to your left if you leave the Hilton Hotel. Indeed, was not expensive, but also it was just a standard hand job
Nite 2: decided to take one of the bicycle taxis with the Hilton logo on it. The guy showed me around Hanoi for about 3 hours. Was approached by ladies on scooters 2 times, asking me if I wanted to go to the house with Mamma. Also spotted 2 street walkers somewhere in the old town. However, due to lack of energy decided to ask the bicyclist for a massage place. After 30 minutes of cycling he took me to a place which was similar to the one close to the Hilton, however 2 times more expensive. The funny thing was that the massage girls was rather horny, and I had to finger her pussy. Otherwise nothing special
General: besides the ladies that approached me on the scooter whilst I was in the bicycle taxi, outside of the Hilton a few times also got approached by ladies on scooters. I think the deal is that they take you to the Mamma's place or something. The Hilton hotel itself had no action inside. Also asked the concierge, but he pretended like he did not understand.
Conclusion: you need to know your way around in Hanoi, otherwise it will just be handjobs at some old rundown massage place
See you,
Tom[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Inflamable Guy]Hi,
Is here anyone who knows if its possible to go with an girl from Boss Cub in another Hotel. (I have no room in Fortuna, I'm staying in Horizon) :-(
Greetings[/QUOTE]
All of those girls will leave with you to go to another hotel. The standard rates are $60 for ST and $80 for LT. Personally, I do not like this place because you have to pay $21 just to sit with them.
Hi all,
I'm going to Hanoi soon and I'm looking for a GF Hotel not too expensive. Also in HCMC if you know. You can PM me if you've got some tips.
Thks
Hi everyone!
This is my first mail here and I´am sorry about my english!
I'm spending 3 weeks holiday in Bkk and Ubon in january and also bought tickets bkk-hanoi-bkk 11.1-16.1. Why ? I´dont know ! Just bought. "One horned Vikings" don´t need VISA to VN, so it´s easy to go. I´m gonna stay in Hanoi some cheap 1-star hotel "Red River 1" in old-town. It has to be GF!? This is my first trip to Hanoi.
I hope you can give me some information!
What I need is: fresh information about where to find freelancers, brothels, massages, what is the "normal" damage today of average streetwalker.
I´ve been readind theese articles about Hanoi and I don´t know what to think, ladies from hotel discos 50-80 USD for ST/LT in Vietnam? Same money you get In BKK 2-4 LT and in Phonom Phen the whole harem for a week!
I think that I can survive 6 days without pussy in Hanoi but is that necessary? Going back BKK could be too hard after that. So is there any last month hints?
Thanks
Well, I've been a freeloader on this site for long enough, I guess it's time for me to make a contribution.
I spent a few days in Hanoi last week, just missing the chaos of the summit, thank God. Having RTFF, I figured the chicken was less finger licking good and more 'pluck it and fuck it' than HCMC, and I was right.
There are a lot of MP sprinkled around town, a couple on Hang Hahn in the Old Quarter stand out in my mind; These were my first experiences in MPs, and I guess it's safe to say I am just not an MP type of guy. Therefore, I'll withhold the gory details, except to say I found it was difficult to communicate with the girls and neither they nor I were buckets of confidence. I suppose with a little more persistence and experience than I showed, one could have a satisfactory time in the MPs.
It is indeed all going down at The New Century disco. Most of the people there looked like rich Viet kids to me. I felt old (39) and conspicuous (caucasian) there, but still managed to have a good time, even on my own. Curiously, no one was dancing or even applauding for the hardworking band. A couple of cuties approached me, but I had already made my mind up to head to Apocalypse Now, so I put them off before even negotiating.
Now, for the point of this public service message, I gotta tell ya fellas: Apocalypse Now in Hanoi is one hell of a long way away from everything else. I couldn't find any decent directions to it, but any moto taxi guy can probably get you there from the Old Quarter for 10k or 15k. For the record, it's located at 5c Hoa Ma, south of the Hom Market, off of Pho Hue, but you've got to go down Ba Trieu to Tue Tinh from central Hanoi to get there.
The Saturday night I was at Apocalypse Now, it wasn't worth the effort. The place was packed, and it must have been 5:1 guys to girls, if not 10:1! The waiter ripped me off on the change for my beer as well. That comes as no surprise however, because as a gringo, I am little more than a walking ATM to the average Vietnamese. The few women I saw there had obviously had their odometers turned over at least twice, if not thrice. Now, I can lower my standards as well as the next guy, and beer certainly greases the slide, but even I have an acceptability floor. Knowing what I know now, I'd recommend sticking to the New Century, as I clearly should have done.
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Carrache, nice post. I too have really only enjoyed the New Century for those that are unfamiliar with the scene.
[QUOTE=Tl Maki]Hi everyone!
This is my first mail here and I´am sorry about my english!
I'm spending 3 weeks holiday in Bkk and Ubon in january and also bought tickets bkk-hanoi-bkk 11.1-16.1. Why ? I´dont know ! Just bought. "One horned Vikings" don´t need VISA to VN, so it´s easy to go. I´m gonna stay in Hanoi some cheap 1-star hotel "Red River 1" in old-town. It has to be GF!? This is my first trip to Hanoi.
I hope you can give me some information!
What I need is: fresh information about where to find freelancers, brothels, massages, what is the "normal" damage today of average streetwalker.
I´ve been readind theese articles about Hanoi and I don´t know what to think, ladies from hotel discos 50-80 USD for ST/LT in Vietnam? Same money you get In BKK 2-4 LT and in Phonom Phen the whole harem for a week!
I think that I can survive 6 days without pussy in Hanoi but is that necessary? Going back BKK could be too hard after that. So is there any last month hints?
Thanks[/QUOTE]As Carrache has said the massage scene is hit and miss because communications are difficult and the management does not encourage hanky-panky because they are scared of the authorities.
New Century is probably the best go and a hotel for less than US$30 in the old town ought to be GF and pretty close to New Century. This will be p4p at something like VD1000000. Just sit at the bar and let them come to you.
Near the New Century on the road facing the lake there are several restaurants and cocktail bars frequented by locals. I would not discount the possibility of picking up something there with some patience.
I agree with Sudsoz here. If you are in Hanoi for a reason, you can probably find what you are looking for around the New Century, but for God's sake, don't go to Hanoi for the sole intention of looking for action--stick to Saigon. Being caucasian is a huge advantage in VN and if you speak Vietnamese (I don't), you will be entirely in the driver's seat and can almost name your price.
After having been there, my hypothesis on the Hanoi hotels is that the smaller hotels are the way to go. I would guess 100k to the night clerk would get you in with a guest without any comment, and 50k might even do it. Whether this applies to hotels in the French Quarter I couldn't say, as I only stayed in the Old Quarter. If you stay at a larger, more conspicuous place like the Hilton or somewhere you would book online like Expedia or Travelocity, I would guess you run the risk of being lonely.
By the way, unless the whole world happens to be in Hanoi (think APEC conference), you'll have no trouble finding a room. Room rates are soft, $20-$60/night for most in the Old Quarter, depending on the quality hotel and how long you are staying. Bargain hard, but be nice to them. Use your 20,000 VND notes (about USD1.25) to make friends fast.
I saw some sound advice elswhere regarding New Century.
The girls that approach you fairly aggressively and speak english have probably been in the game a while and more likely to rush you or even rip you off.
Seek out the newer less experienced ones for a better experience. You might even slip one of the old hands VND100,000 to find a few for you.
Sheraton Hanoi Hotel is girl friendly until 9:00PM after which they call your room to tell you she must go. The girl must have an ID to give the front desk when she arrives. My freebie told me that if you register two people when you check in, there is not a problem. The hotel would prefer that you rent another room for the girl to make money so they do not advertise the initial registration option. Next time, I will know better.
OAH
[QUOTE=Kicks Fet]Hi all,
I'm going to Hanoi soon and I'm looking for a GF Hotel not too expensive. Also in HCMC if you know. You can PM me if you've got some tips.
Thks[/QUOTE]Try Duc Loi hotel 292 HUE Str phone 8.215526 located a few block south of the lake. You should get a good double room for $25 or less.
Went to Hanoi for some business. Was received by a few VIP's and moneyed people. They laughed at how I was duped in HCMC. They want to show me the real Vietnamese girls.
The people in Hanoi are warmer and more engaging than the South. There are street vendors everywhere but virtually no beggars. the sidewalks of the old town bustles with food vendors. People sit around on small plastic stools, eating, drinking, smoking, talking...all day. There are caravans of pedicabs taking foreigners on tours.
Went to New Century club 2 nights in a row, being set up with a few good girls. The hardened pros hanging by the entrance were watching everyone like hawks. Sorry, not interested. Inside the music was very loud. There was a short performance then the rest of the night is just deafening dance music. All sorts of young people with a large crowd of foreigners were drinking Henessy and dancing to the music.
The 'good girl' was a young, petite and pretty girl. She spoke a few words in English. She was drinking heavily and dancing with her group of friends. Supposedly she would go home with me that night, but she took off with another girl on some personal matter. I was told she was playing hard-to-get.
Next day was invited to a party in a 'good' karaoke place near the old French quarter. The officials sent someone else to host the party as they do not want their wives and the public to know they frequent bars. Hanoi is supposedly a small city. Their wives would learn about their engaging in karaoke bars in matter of 15 minutes, and have been known to raise hell even for high-ranking officials.
The owner seemed to know the junior government officials very well. They talked and laughed while ordering up the meal. They brought in 5 young girls, all young, pretty and demured. I took the girl with the sweetest smile with a crooked canine tooth that only Vietnamese girls seem to have. An exotic meal of seafood was quickly produced, one of the ingredient was live sea turtle and eggs. The place does have a good chef. We were served rice wine with snake blood (yuk) to supposedly pump up our libido. An investment banker wanted to try dog meat, but the Vietnamese officials pretended again and again they did not hear the request.
One of the girls could really sing with a clear voice. The other girls were serving us food and drinks while our hands were roaming everywhere over their lithe bodies. The room was cleaner, the girls were well-mannered, the atmosphere was very relaxed and lively. I was having a good time feeling up and kissing my girl between large chunks of deep-fried turtle meat.
That was a good party. My girl punched her mobile number into my phone with promise to meet after work. I tipped her 200,000; she was pouting, so I had to give her another 100K, total about US$20. When we got in the car, a very wealthy Vietnamese scolded me for tipping her so much. This guy with assets worth over US$200 mil told me never to tip the karaoke girls more than 100,000 dong! I found a cup coffee would cost 8,000, a bowl of soup 25,000 dong from a street vendor in Hanoi. The girls would definitely starve if they only get a tip equivalent of 4 bowls of soup after several hours of sitting. How are these young girls going to take care of their families and presumably their babies on such small tips? I made a mental note to tip these girls at least 10 local fast-food meals for their several hours of care and entertaining.
Anyway my girl did come to my hotel a few times. I paid the bar penalty so she could spend the whole day with me touring Hanoi. She took me to some of the best sea-food places on sidewalks. We got back to the hotel and she could not wait to have sex. She has a lean and sexy body without the scars common in Asia. She was very wet and passionate. We made love a few times that night. I learned that she was living with a BF but the guy died in a traffic accident. Since then she did not want a man in her life for fear of being exploited. Her small room has gone up from 500,000 dong a month to 1.5 million (about US$100) and the costs of everything have been rising quickly.
Life is not so good for a lot of people!
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Went to Hanoi for some business. Was received by a few VIP's and moneyed people. They laughed at how I was duped in HCMC. They want to show me the real Vietnamese girls. <...>
[/QUOTE]
Nice report; glad to see your fortunes improved.
Cheers,
-Y
landed in Hanoi late evening and had a business meeting.
Looked at my watch and time is already 11: 30 PM.
Boss club and the massage club will be closed at midnite.
Hesitate for a mintue and decided to go for the massage.
Up to the top of the hotel a asked the spa manager to send a girl to my room.
10 minuts past and a knock on my door. The girl and the guy asking me to sign the bill (450K).
The girl look. 5/6 but its late and all I was looking for was a massage and happy end.
She was total GFE from first minute. Kissing and hugging.
Off she took a shower and came back to the room naked.
I decided to go all the way for FS (she could not speak english).
Preformane so so and then a shower and I asked for the massage. It was bad Gave her 400K and sent her away.
Will try toonight the Boss club.
current as of december 2006.
here’s some updated information as a result of a short visit to hanoi last month. i’ll post a similar report under the hcm tab. i don’t discuss costs because that so much depends on the relationship you are able to establish with the girls. i’m sure the prices i paid would be questioned by those who have paid more, or ridiculed by those who have paid less. so, each to his own. bonne chance!
apocalypse now
this is a new, glitzy venue that has replaced the old an, which in my book was a much more intimate and interesting place, albeit with a much higher sleaze factor. the new place is large and soul-less, although to be fair, i was in there early in the evening, and it doesn’t start hopping until about 10:00 p.m. it’s also a little hard to find, since the taxi drivers don’t seem to know about it yet.
address: #2 dong tac street
dong da district, hanoi
near star bowl
relax bar
60 ly thuong street
hanoi
near the metropole hotel
tel: 942-4409
relax is a busy expat bar with very pretty hostesses who will be glad to sit with you if you buy them a (real) drink. this is not a grope bar like those you’ll find in saigon on hai ba trung and mac thi buoi streets. the girls speak reasonable english, and i would assume they are available off site for the right guy and the right price.
ly thuong street is also a hangout for a lot of streetwalkers and moto-girls. i was approached several times as i neared relax bar in a cyclo, and i actually struck up a conversation with one of the moto-girls as i was leaving. i wasn’t interested in going with her and said i was looking for some more club entertainment. she actually offered to take me by moto to one nearby (seventeen bar), no charge and no strings, just dropped me off and disappeared into the night. with that kind of service-oriented attitude, i almost called her back.
seventeen bar
tran hung dao street
near gan ga hang co
this is a mid-range, live music club. seating is at the bar or at small tables along the back. free lancers are plentiful, with the going price around d-500,000, at least on the night i was there.
several haircut places on buoi street near the bridge, and several more on tran quoc toan street. your mileage will vary a lot in different places along these streets, but the quest is part of the fun. in one, where even a hj wasn’t on the menu, i pulled a country girl who had never experienced oral sex before. it took a little persistence on my part, and when i left, i was still horny, but she had the most incredible look on her face, wide-eyed and absolutely speechless.
at another, i got an average hj, but also the best french kissing bout (which she initiated all on her own) that i have ever had, bar none.
karaoke
if you’re willing to try the karaoke bars, which are a challenge if you don’t speak at least some vietnamese, and expensive even if you are vietnamese, here are a couple that i have tried and liked.
d&t karaoke
290 nguyen trai (162a so cu)
hanoi
i was alone here and actually got an impassioned screw from the karaoke hostess right in the song room.
dieu vy #1
162a nguyen trai
hanoi
here, i took the karaoke girl out to a nearby hotel of her choosing, sapa hotel at 54 nguyen trai. this is a regular sized hotel, not a mini, with its own restaurant and karaoke rooms, and i assume with its own hostesses who will be glad to come to your room. as it was, we just used it for short time.
action in hanoi is harder to find than in saigon, and the city closes down early, but if you can just scratch a little under the surface, i find it more wide open and permissive than saigon, and seemingly without as much fear of the police. after all, hanoi is the big, party boss playground, and the authorities may be looking the other way.
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Couple of friend - got a private room, line of gals and booz.
Funny evening
Everything is closed at midnite so I choosed one of the gals and invited her to spend the nite with me.
Face 5 but body 8/9, great smile and great GFE
Kissing and hugging - my finger found out that she was already wet.
Great fuck all positions including BBBJ
I fell asleep and she waked me in the morning for second session.
I left Hanoi with a great taste
Perhaps you are a member of Hanoi's power structure itself.
As far as I know, the old men in the politburo are constantly attacking the 'black society' and corruptions caused by Western decadence. The party is not looking the other way, but law enforcement people are too busy shaking down the population for bribes than implementing the party's directives.
Of course if you get caught with any illegal activities, then you either have to pay the bribes, or get screwed by the people's court.
BTW, one member of the Central Committee asked me how the Co Van My's were fucking around in Saigon during the war. Perhaps you can provide the details here just for historical records.
[QUOTE=Co Van My]Current as of December 2006.
Here’s some updated information as a result of a short visit to Hanoi last month. I’ll post a similar report under the HCM tab. I don’t discuss costs because that so much depends on the relationship you are able to establish with the girls. I’m sure the prices I paid would be questioned by those who have paid more, or ridiculed by those who have paid less. So, each to his own. Bonne chance!
Karaoke
If you’re willing to try the Karaoke bars, which are a challenge if you don’t speak at least some Vietnamese, and expensive even if you ARE Vietnamese, here are a couple that I have tried and liked.
D&T Karaoke
290 Nguyen Trai (162A so cu)
Hanoi
I was alone here and actually got an impassioned screw from the karaoke hostess right in the song room.
Dieu Vy #1
162A Nguyen Trai
Hanoi
Here, I took the karaoke girl out to a nearby hotel of her choosing, Sapa Hotel at 54 Nguyen Trai. This is a regular sized hotel, not a mini, with its own restaurant and karaoke rooms, and I assume with its own hostesses who will be glad to come to your room. As it was, we just used it for short time.
Action in Hanoi is harder to find than in Saigon, and the city closes down early, but if you can just scratch a little under the surface, I find it more wide open and permissive than Saigon, and seemingly without as much fear of the police. After all, Hanoi is the big, party boss playground, and the authorities may be looking the other way.
[/QUOTE]
OWL,
I see that you have been under fire from some other members of the forum, but that's no reason to be confrontational with me :-)
For the historical record, I did absolutely NO fucking around when I was in Vietnam during the war. I know that may be hard to believe, but except for a handful of hand jobs in some steam-and-creams far away from my own flagpole, I never dallied.
I can't speak for other advisors, but my sense is that for the most part they were a pretty straight-arrow group.
On the other hand, in later years, without being specific for obvious reasons, I did dally quite a bit with mid-level government folks including some law enforcement types. Believe me, they know how to party!
And no, I am not a member of Hanoi's power structure. Why would you take that kind of cheap shot? That's a rhetorical question, and please don't answer, for I have nothing more to say on this particular issue.
Chuc may man
[QUOTE=One Wing Low]Perhaps you are a member of Hanoi's power structure itself.
BTW, one member of the Central Committee asked me how the Co Van My's were fucking around in Saigon during the war. Perhaps you can provide the details here just for historical records.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Co Van My]OWL,
I see that you have been under fire from some other members of the forum, but that's no reason to be confrontational with me :-)
For the historical record, I did absolutely NO fucking around when I was in Vietnam during the war. I know that may be hard to believe, but except for a handful of hand jobs in some steam-and-creams far away from my own flagpole, I never dallied.
I can't speak for other advisors, but my sense is that for the most part they were a pretty straight-arrow group.
On the other hand, in later years, without being specific for obvious reasons, I did dally quite a bit with mid-level government folks including some law enforcement types. Believe me, they know how to party!
And no, I am not a member of Hanoi's power structure. Why would you take that kind of cheap shot? That's a rhetorical question, and please don't answer, for I have nothing more to say on this particular issue.
Chuc may man[/QUOTE]There is no need to be shameful about being a Communist Party monger. I did a whole night with a Commie girl years ago with her full uniform with red hammer & sickle. There was great charm in the unusual.
... i was only interested in the fucking history of vietnam :)
the old men in the central committee, and even the younger ones, still truly believe that saigon then was wall-to-wall bars and *****houses, and that american gi's were roaming around looting and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] everyone in sight.
are they believing in their own propaganda?
ps: i was only kidding you about hanoi's power structure.
[quote=co van my]owl,
and no, i am not a member of hanoi's power structure. why would you take that kind of cheap shot? that's a rhetorical question, and please don't answer, for i have nothing more to say on this particular issue.
chuc may man[/quote]
Hello
I will be in March for 1 night in Hanoi.
I look for an hotel, girl friendly, clean, good location, price reasonnable.
What is your advice?
What are the good places to find a girl? Massage salon? Where?
thanks
My advice: When you come to Vietnam, you just ask your local partner (who meets you and receives you, even your Vietnam business partner) for sex services in Hanoi/Saigon. He won't hesitate to help you. Just ask him when you are having dinner: where can I go for night life? Can I find a girl for fun there? If you find fun on your own, you might get high charge for bad service. Some hookers can be robbers :-SS
New Century is full of under-class hookers. You don't find their "low-grade" because of flashing discotheque lights.
My advice: If you go to Hanoi on a business trip, you should ask your local business partner for night life as well as for sex services :D. He is willing to help, I'm sure.
Please advice me where could I find a model girl or high class escort in Hanoi?
Sometime need a realy nice GF for go out to the city
Ask comrade Vladimir Putin
[QUOTE=Alekcandr]Please advice me where could I find a model girl or high class escort in Hanoi?
Sometime need a realy nice GF for go out to the city[/QUOTE]
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will be Hanoi end of this week. reading a few pages of FR, seems not much action. New Century club seems ok with some and a no no for some.
A few questions, how difficult is to get a cab from airport to hotel(staying at the somerset, fare?). Two where can I get a quickie, is there a MP that I can go to in Hanoi and what is the cost like.
Thanks
Hi Acerboy
There're lots of action for you in Hanoi. You can ask your local partner or hotel receptionist. If you go to bar or disco, you can find a girl but you might not gain quality service relevant to your payment. :)) You can go to KTV Club of Fortuna Hotel to pick up a girl. In evening, they stand in line so you can choose. I'm not sure about cost, but I think you should 200$ to go overnight with her.
Taxi fare from airport to city is around 150.000 VND (Vietnam Dong); less than 10USD but I think driver asks you to pay 10USD. I'm currently in Hanoi but I don't know how to contact/discuss you. As for me, PM and email address are forbidden here. Have a good time!
Acerboy - most of the hotels are not GF. Not sure about Somerset.
The ones that are GF are the cheap ones - less than $30. Try Heart Hotel in old quarter.
Never found effective massage in Hanoi. Century is OK but hard to find fresh talent.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Acerboy - most of the hotels are not GF. Not sure about Somerset.
The ones that are GF are the cheap ones - less than $30. Try Heart Hotel in old quarter.
Never found effective massage in Hanoi. Century is OK but hard to find fresh talent.[/QUOTE]
The two somerset locations in HCMC are definitely GFE so would 'assume' same for hanoi? easiest thing is to ask them!
Acerboy ... we same kampung mari one .. ! KL mah .. anyway cut the crap ! I have been to Hanoi abt 4 times few times over the last 6 months and frankly I have been very disappointed with this place ... , so much so I only end up staying one night and then head on to BKK. Getting leads from the Hanoi tread about this place gives me the merry go round experience and no solid information except for some sketchy details here and there. Where are all the info gone ?
Hanoi boy .. your Fortuna info of 200 USD is steep by my standards as even the white meats even cost less .. ! Is that the standard rates in Hanoi ?
I have stayed in Daewoo , Oasis and Fortuna Hotel before and they are quite OK, clean and passable. Daewoo charges for the wifi while Oasis gives it free.
I am going again early next month to Hanoi and surely I hope someone in this thread can tell me which is the best hole to look for or else, I 'll just have to stick my dick in the toilet bowl and flush ... or better leave it for the ultimate Bangkok experience ...
Cheers !
Xerus
[QUOTE=Traveler1234]The two somerset locations in HCMC are definitely GFE so would 'assume' same for hanoi? easiest thing is to ask them![/QUOTE]
Am about to book a hotel for a future business trip to Saigon. You're sure that the Somerset allows you to take a female guest up to your room?
[QUOTE=Fw190]Am about to book a hotel for a future business trip to Saigon. You're sure that the Somerset allows you to take a female guest up to your room?[/QUOTE]
Somerset seems girl friendly cos I saw a few guest walking into the lift with Vietnamese girls. Not all were necessarily working girls. But access to the room floors require a room key. I'd say it is girl friendly.
guys I'm back to KL. Saw a few places offering massages but couldn't check them out cos HM was with me. Xerus - talk to the bellboys, I'm sure they can point you in the right direction.
Hanoiboy - thanks for you offer. Too bad I'm back. USD200 is too steep lah bro. I can get Vietnam girl in KL for much less. Which reminds me, need to go and find some Vietnamese girl to screw soon to take care of my DSB.;)
[QUOTE=Fw190]Am about to book a hotel for a future business trip to Saigon. You're sure that the Somerset allows you to take a female guest up to your room?[/QUOTE]
Yes, never a problem. even asked security to buy me box of condoms when i ran out :)
i would suggest the older somerset location - not as upscale as newer one but smaller lobby, less traffic and excellent security.
IS sofitel Metropole in Hanoi a gf hotel? What is the best way to get a girl into my room there, if I didnt want to or unable to walk hand in hand with a girl in my arm due to the presence of my colleagues in the same hotel? Any tips / contacts will be greatly appreciated.
Hey guys,
Just a little question. How do you say condom in vietnamese?
I want to know in case i run out and need 2 ask for some.
Cheers,
UH
Hello,
Around Sheraton Hanoi, there are a bunch of massage parlor where you can get great massages for 10-20 USD.
I met there a nice and hot lady who gave me her number for further fun in my hotel. you can PM me to get the info. In exchange I am looking ofr good numbers in HCM or in the rest of South East Asia.
By the way, I recomend Dragon Hotel, close to Sheraton.
Bye!
[QUOTE=Happy Harry]Hey guys,
Just a little question. How do you say condom in vietnamese?
I want to know in case i run out and need 2 ask for some.
Cheers,
UH[/QUOTE]Condom in vietnamese call AO MUA [raincoat]
LOL!
What happens if they get me an actual one?! That would be funny.
Should I gesture down there? ;-D
UH
[QUOTE=Road Lover]IS sofitel Metropole in Hanoi a gf hotel? What is the best way to get a girl into my room there, if I didnt want to or unable to walk hand in hand with a girl in my arm due to the presence of my colleagues in the same hotel? Any tips / contacts will be greatly appreciated.[/QUOTE]Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.
Just arrived in Hanoi, will be here for a few weeks.
Anybody out there want to meet up and explore the bar scene?
Can arrange to meet at one of the bars in Old Quarter.
I have been in Hanoi now for several days and still have some time to go. I've visited the usual suspects. New Century (godawful), 17 Saloon (almost as bad), Relax Bar (nice and friendly with some very pretty girls); can anyone out there answer the following:
1. Where can I get a good massage and BJ (I tried the blackdoor places but they just whip your clothes off, rub your legs for 2 minutes then blow)?
2. Tourist season here, I was thinking of escaping to My Son. Any action down there that anyone knows about? Hotel in-room massage?
3. Also going to Sapa, what if any are the chances of having fun up there?
Anybody fancy a drink one night to discuss do let me know.
Just read Carrache's posting of a few months ago about the Apocalpse Now Bar in Hanoi. Too bad it has gone downhill. I have only been to Hanoi once, and that was about 6 years ago. At the time I thought it was a great bar. I met a really sweet nice and pretty girl who spent the whole nite with me. Can't remember the price, but it was very reasonable. I plan to visit Hanoi again this Fall and hope this bar is still as nice as I remember it. But 6 years is a long time.
By the way, anyone planning to be in North or Central Vietnam this Fall, 2007, can PM if you want to get together.
[QUOTE=Tiger34]Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.[/QUOTE]Went there yesterday after reading above post. I must have been too early (around 8.45 p.m.) Customers were outnumbered by staff by 5 to 1 ! But as i was leaving, a young lady who could be mamasan gave me a look which seems to say 'Why are you leaving so early ? Our girls are coming" or "We have so few customers tonight, please do not leave yet for another nightclub" I almost returned to the bar where scotch with coke costs only VND 50,000 ($3.00) but I was heading for Hanoi Hotel.
Can you please help me to inform me where I can book a hotel in Hanoi that is girl friendly?
And where I can meet freelancers in Hanoi?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Tiger34]Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Tiger for the excellent advise. i will follow it and let you know how it went.
[QUOTE=HanoiGuy]You can go to KTV Club of Fortuna Hotel to pick up a girl. In evening, they stand in line so you can choose. I'm not sure about cost, but I think you should 200$ to go overnight with her.[/QUOTE]Overnight at Fortuna will cost around USD60-80.
Any info on the Relax Bar (or is it Relax Cafe)? As I mentioned in my previous post, I went to Hanoi once about 6 years ago. I went to the Relax Bar a few times. It seemed like a nice place, but the only girls there were waitresses who were friendly, but did not seem available, not even for money. At the time, I heard they only go with very few tourists, only ones they like quite a bit. Since I am much older than them, I think I would not be one of the lucky ones. Is it still like that now, or is it possible now for most tourists to pick up one of the girls at the Relax Bar if the price is right? If so, what is the price for short time and for all night?
Hi to all,
I always in the forum but not even half reply is not cool!
Just asking wich hotel I have to book for be ok if I bring sweet company and where to find nice lady, even not prostitute. I like freelancers.
Thanks
There has always been girls available at the Relax, not necessarily the waitresses. Thing is that it is all very low key, perhaps not immediately obvious, unlike in a few other countries/cities I could mention. More recently you will find at 4 or 5 gals who are "available".
[QUOTE=Henry R]Any info on the Relax Bar (or is it Relax Cafe)? As I mentioned in my previous post, I went to Hanoi once about 6 years ago. I went to the Relax Bar a few times. It seemed like a nice place, but the only girls there were waitresses who were friendly, but did not seem available, not even for money. At the time, I heard they only go with very few tourists, only ones they like quite a bit. Since I am much older than them, I think I would not be one of the lucky ones. Is it still like that now, or is it possible now for most tourists to pick up one of the girls at the Relax Bar if the price is right? If so, what is the price for short time and for all night?[/QUOTE]
Okay guys, I've got 13 days in Hanoi. I've been to Relax, New Century, haven't tried Apocalpyse but from all the accounts here not worth it; where else? There must be places.
Bars, good massage places (not the quick in and out affairs) out there?
Will plod the sreets in search. Any advice much appreciated.
Also, be careful late at night around the lake bars - if three or four working girls come up and try to coddle you, shake 'em off politely. One preens while the other picks your pocket. I know it makes common sense but after a few drinks not easy to stay focused.
This is an article in the local newspaper
Nearly 500 armed police officers Saturday raided the New Century Club in Hanoi, northern Vietnam’s hippest nightclub, detaining 1,163 people, including foreigners, on suspicion of drug use and distribution.
The sting was a classified operation by the central Ministry of Public Security’s General Police Department. Even the Hanoi police force knew nothing about it.
At 1am, the officers laid siege to the disco at No 10 Trang Thi Street in downtown Hanoi and found over a thousand people, mostly from 17 to 24 years old, dancing frenziedly to strong music.
Three were caught red-handed with drugs.
Some tried to run away but were caught outside by waiting policemen. Some were caught trying to throw away ecstasy pills – a kind of illegal drug mainly used by dancers – and destroying incriminating evidence.
Over 200 personal pouches containing heroin, ecstasy pills and other drugs were seized at the site.
Over the next 4 hours, 1,163 people were taken to various sites for questioning and drug tests. Prominent singers, actresses, and businessmen were among the group.
Over 200 tested positive to using drugs. But by 7.30 pm, all had been released except 20 people who are still detained on the suspicion of drug distributing.
Though the club owner Nguyen Dai Duong was not present, he was detained later.
A venue for the wealthy and chic, New Century is one of the biggest and most expensive nightclubs in Vietnam.
It has been fined twice in the past for staying open too late and violating noise regulations.
Similarly, but on smaller scale, local Ho Chi Minh City police Saturday burst into the MGM Saigon, one of the largest and most rambunctious cafes in the city, and detained over 100 youths, some as young as 14 on suspicion of drug use.
This all is part of a recent campaign to intensify the fight against crime and drugs. Over the last dozen days, police nationwide arrested over 1,100 suspects and seized over 8.2 kg of heroin and 1,140 additional individual doses of heroin, not to mention the two latest operations.
Friday, Duong Duc Hiep, a famous TV comedian popular for his gaunt feature, was caught in Hanoi carrying 0.18-grams of heroin. He confessed to being addicted for 5 months.
[QUOTE=David Dante]Okay guys, I've got 13 days in Hanoi. I've been to Relax, New Century, haven't tried Apocalpyse but from all the accounts here not worth it; where else? There must be places.
Bars, good massage places (not the quick in and out affairs) out there?
Will plod the sreets in search. Any advice much appreciated.
Also, be careful late at night around the lake bars - if three or four working girls come up and try to coddle you, shake 'em off politely. One preens while the other picks your pocket. I know it makes common sense but after a few drinks not easy to stay focused.[/QUOTE]Members may note that on the early morning of Sunday 29th April, 500 federal police raided New Century and held all 1163 customers, staff and "artists" there folowing suspicion that hard drugs are sold and consumed there. Large number of drugs were seized. But the aim was to bust drug abuse, bot gf and you mongers. The police made that very clear.
Now as to the hapless Dante. If you speak the language, and if you are Asian, there are many places and opposrtunities. But if you are Caucasian blonde, without the local lingo, you chances are limited. Try to check in at a small hotel or "nha nghi "(guest houses), and simply seek the help of hotel staff. They will always find somebody. Don't expect FS at massage parlors. It is illegal although in some parlors, they wil oblique you. One of them is near Hotel Harisson just outside the car exit. Go to the first floor. But you must be the only customer at the time.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]There has always been girls available at the Relax, not necessarily the waitresses. Thing is that it is all very low key, perhaps not immediately obvious, unlike in a few other countries/cities I could mention. More recently you will find at 4 or 5 gals who are "available".[/QUOTE]
As I mentioned, I was at the Relax Cafe a few times in 2001. I went with a friend who is a real Asia monger, and very well traveled. Neither of us noticed any girls there who appeared to be available. As a matter of fact, I am not positive but I think there were no girls in the cafe other than the waitresses the few times I went there in 2001. That is why we concentrated on the waitresses. (By the way, almost all were lookers). The only non-waitresses around there were streetwalkers on the street outside the Relax Cafe.
My friend flirted with the waitresses in the Relax Cafe quite a bit but didn't find any takers. We would have noticed it even if it was very subtle. Hopefully things are better now. Can you quote prices at the Relax Cafe for short time and all nite in US dollars? Are the waitresses now available also? Or is it just non-waitress girls inside the cafe?
Hi guys,
I used to live in Ha noi before, but I'm not sure if the Guoman Hotel in Ly Thuong Kiet Street is GF?
Any info is highly appreciated!
Guys,
I recommend you guys go to Do Son- HaiPhong. This place is awesome, girls are everywhere, you can choose until you happy plus they are friendly, and hardworking. Price is very cheap $10 USA + tips if you want to, normally around 5-10 USA tips, but up to you guys. Have fun. (go there, and ask they will lead you to paradise).
[QUOTE=Mandiri2]Hi guys,
I used to live in Ha noi before, but I'm not sure if the Guoman Hotel in Ly Thuong Kiet Street is GF?
Any info is highly appreciated![/QUOTE]I am not too sure, but it is unlikely. The only lifts are in full view of receptionists, and the hotel is located too openly. Moreover, many of the regular guests are old men and women. Not good signs.
[QUOTE=Ausguy]Guys,
I recommend you guys go to Do Son- HaiPhong. This place is awesome, girls are everywhere, you can choose until you happy plus they are friendly, and hardworking. Price is very cheap $10 USA + tips if you want to, normally around 5-10 USA tips, but up to you guys. Have fun. (go there, and ask they will lead you to paradise).[/QUOTE]Are you talking about Do Son Hotel near Haiphong port city ? That is 90 minutes by car from Hanoi.
When Duong first launched New Century Club a few years ago, there were rumors that he bribed Hanoi police to raid his competition, causing most other clubs to close, leaving New Century the only in club in town. He subsequently raked in a lot of money, averaging US$50K profit a night, enough to spend on many luxury items, including a MBZ Maybach parked in the lot.
Most nights there are a lot of young girls hanging out in the club with rich old boy friends, or just hanging out hoping to catch moneyed BF's. There are always a few pro's stationing near the entrance eyeing potential clients. The drinking, smoking, drugging, dancing, fraternizing... by a large crowd of young people in this club every night are viewed as Western decadence and must be a thorn on the side for the old men in the ruling party. They know local police hierarchy is on payoff to turn blind eyes to illegal acitivities that go on inside and outside the club.
It's wise to remember that Vietnam is tightly ruled by a small group of old men in Hanoi. They have absolute power to decide what is right or wrong, what is legal or not, and the approriate sentences for any perceived crimes. The constitution, laws, congress, judicial systems...are just window dressings, who are rewarded mainly for their loyalty to the Communist Party.
[QUOTE=Whisper1]This is an article in the local newspaper
Nearly 500 armed police officers Saturday raided the New Century Club in Hanoi, northern Vietnam’s hippest nightclub, detaining 1,163 people, including foreigners, on suspicion of drug use and distribution.
The sting was a classified operation by the central Ministry of Public Security’s General Police Department. Even the Hanoi police force knew nothing about it.
Though the club owner Nguyen Dai Duong was not present, he was detained later.
A venue for the wealthy and chic, New Century is one of the biggest and most expensive nightclubs in Vietnam.
addicted for 5 months.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Whisper1]This is an article in the local newspaper
Nearly 500 armed police officers Saturday raided the New Century Club in Hanoi, northern Vietnam’s hippest nightclub, detaining 1,163 people, including foreigners, on suspicion of drug use and distribution.
The sting was a classified operation by the central Ministry of Public Security’s General Police Department. Even the Hanoi police force knew nothing about it.
[/QUOTE]Hi Guys,
Is the New Century Club shut down, or back in business? I'm headed to Hanoi in a few days and the New Century Club sounded like about the best (surest?) place to find a 2 hour date. If its open, is it deserted, or somewhat back in action?
Any suggestions on the best alternatives? I'll read back through the posts but won't have time until just before leaving.
Thanks in advance for any help (much appreciated).
[QUOTE=Whumper]
Is the New Century Club shut down, or back in business? [/QUOTE]
Closed, probably for some time, if not permanently!! Most other places currently keeping low profile.
[QUOTE=Tiger34]Forget to bring a girl into Sofitel Hanoi. Security will stop you and you will be asked to book a room for your girl. Best thing you can do is to go to the New Century dance club, which is 5 min. by cab from the hotel. Here you will find tons of nice and beautiful girls at the bar. They do have private places around and its secure to follow them there. Unfortunately you´ll have to pay for the room there as well and they´ll charge you appr. USD 20. Girls with excellent service are available from USD 30 on.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for this advise. But now that New Century has been closed, is there any other similar suggestion, that I could follow? Thanks and sorry for being a repeat pest.
[QUOTE=Whumper]Hi Guys,
Is the New Century Club shut down, or back in business? I'm headed to Hanoi in a few days and the New Century Club sounded like about the best (surest?) place to find a 2 hour date. If its open, is it deserted, or somewhat back in action?
Any suggestions on the best alternatives? I'll read back through the posts but won't have time until just before leaving.
Thanks in advance for any help (much appreciated).[/QUOTE]Closed permanent!!! But there will be a new one similar openning soon in Cau Giay District.
Try out the bars in Bao Khanh and Ta Hien st, they all closed at midnite, the girls used to hang out in New Century now move to those places.
I was there last week and it's packed.
I'm looking to visit Vietnam early next year (Jan or Feb) for some mongering, oh and to ride the Ho Chi Minh Trail on a motorbike. Could any forum members recommend a good outfit to do the HCMT? I have a couple of recommendations from the Dancing Roads site in Cambodia where I went last year. The riding was good, the girls in Phnom Penh and Siem Reap rode better.
Any advice would be gratefully received.
Cheers
Expatcat
There is a new massage place on Hang Chuoi/Phanh Chu called Kingstons where they like to give you a confusing price list that is written so small that you cannot read it properly. After your one hour massage (plus half hour in the tub) they charge you 300,000VND - and that was after I have given a tip of 150,000.
Yes the place is very clean with floor level lighting and a bath in the room and the girls are good looking. But mine, though very good looking, kept looking over her shoulder to see if anyone was looking in (although that could have been part of the show too).
Dance club having being closed, I was recued to receiving hand wanks in massage parlours. One in the parlour opposite the Hilton and the other at Kingston.
The Kingston experience was interesting in that the girl wa god and despite not speaking Viet, we managed to arrnage that she will come to myhotel room late in at night after her work at the massage place finishes. Incidentally Kingston is advertised widely in the timeout magazine and in the onlyENglish newspaper I could find in Hanoi. I thought she wa serious. SHe even gave me her phone number. And at 12.30 at night when she said she will come, she phoned to say no.
SO guys you have hope. Try this place. Decent massage. Bath and wash and all definitely a HJ is on offer. I think you can hook up to meet the girl later. My schedule did not permit me to do so to give a confirmed report. Also speaking Viet I think would help, even though the girl on phone and at reception spoke in English and suggested that I talk to the girl directly about coming to hotel alter.
I plan to visit North Vietnam and Central Vietnam (but not Ho Chi Minh City or the South) this October. Anyone visiting either of these areas and looking for a travel companion, please PM me. Thanks
I know the New World Disco in Hanoi closed. Is that permanent? What about the other clubs in Hanoi? Did Apacolypse Now close also? What about Relax Cafe and 17 Saloon? Do these places still have available girls? Isn't there still some monger action at these places, or has everything in Hanoi shut down?
17 sallon is open. I did not see any obvious working girls, the waitresses will flirt with you and let you buy them drinks, but I don't think you can get very far on the first few nights. Since I wan't alone I did not realy investigate deeply. Closing time was quite early at 11 pm sharp.
[QUOTE=Henry R]I know the New World Disco in Hanoi closed. Is that permanent? What about the other clubs in Hanoi? Did Apacolypse Now close also? What about Relax Cafe and 17 Saloon? Do these places still have available girls? Isn't there still some monger action at these places, or has everything in Hanoi shut down?[/QUOTE]
Last December, I made an immediate hookup with a freelancer seated at the 17 Saloon bar. Her manner of dress (black, faux, patent leather) left no doubt about her status. One drink and we adjourned to a nearby mini chosen by her.
Relax, on the other hand, was full of eye candy, but I didn't attempt a takeout. My sense was that it was probably not available for a first time tourist visitor.
Hi,
People,
I am visiting Hanoi mid August for 5 days and am staying at Fortuna.
I am looking for some action.
Please suggest the best.
Ronin
[QUOTE=Ronin Valcho]Hi,
People,
I am visiting Hanoi mid August for 5 days and am staying at Fortuna.
I am looking for some action.
Please suggest the best.
Ronin[/QUOTE]Are you crazy, you'll be sleeping on top of one of the few places in town. OK it has been a few months since my last visit there, but I'm sure that it is still humming. The take-out fee is about $24, but you can always try to get a girl to meet you outside or at another destination after the bar closes at midnight. For other details search this forum.
[QUOTE=Namsao]Are you crazy, you'll be sleeping on top of one of the few places in town. OK it has been a few months since my last visit there, but I'm sure that it is still humming. The take-out fee is about $24, but you can always try to get a girl to meet you outside or at another destination after the bar closes at midnight. For other details search this forum.[/QUOTE]Dear Namsao,
Thanks a lot , what would be the rate prevailing for ST and LT and do Hanoi have an escort service , and is it possible to contact any Hanoi female prior to reaching hanoi, I know too many? But I await your reply and guidance.
[QUOTE=Namsao]Are you crazy, you'll be sleeping on top of one of the few places in town. OK it has been a few months since my last visit there, but I'm sure that it is still humming. The take-out fee is about $24, but you can always try to get a girl to meet you outside or at another destination after the bar closes at midnight. For other details search this forum.[/QUOTE]
Can you tell us the name and location of the club the Fortuna Hotel is on top of?
Is the Fortuna Hotel expensive? How much are rooms? Is it guest friendly?
The night club in the Fortuna is the place I was refering to. A quick search of this forum would have revealed this. Next time please do the research.
The going rates in January were ST $60, LT$100. With the bar fine this is pretty steep, but there are not many choices in Hanoi.
I am not sure of the current rates for the hotel. Hotel prices in Hanoi and HCMC are increasing a lot at the moment and I have not stayed in the hotel recently. I actually prefer the hotel across the road, Oasis. The place is popular with Japanese travelers, but other nationalities should not be put off. The rates are pretty reasonable (about $50/night when I stayed there in January), clean and GF.
There is not call girl service in Vietnam - read the forum, to understand why.
there are a few massage parlours along the main road off the sheraton. walk out the main gate to the lane with the vine restaurant and wine boutique, turn right and walk to the main road, turn right at the main road and walk about 300m and look out for the big sauna, massage, etc sign. the price of a basic massage is vnd80k (around us$5) in a nice clean air-con room. there are several syts that you can chose from. chose a 25yo with a slim petite body. had a good massage followed by hj. she wouldn't take off her clothes but my hands were allowed to roam both upper and lower, plus peekaboo moments. a-cup perky boobs with cute pink nipples. tipped her vnd300k (us$19) and got a gf hug and a kiss from her. i think she was hinting that she could go with me to my hotel at one point. but since she couldn't speak english and i couldn't speak vietnamese, we couldn't get the details arranged.
went down to the nutz bar at the sheraton and was surprised by the presence of wgs on a tuesday night. was attracted by one of the waitresses there, but had too much to drink already and decided to head back instead.
Thanks Namsao, Sorry To Bother You , But My Plans Have Changed Company Has Done Booking In Dong Do Hotel Suite Room ,pls Help With Advice.
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Hi Ronin Valcho,
I sincerely appreciate your reports, but...
[red][u]Would you please refrain from capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word in your reports![/u][/red]
It's difficult to read, it's time consuming to fix, and it takes you more work to write like that.
On behalf of myself and your fellow Forum Members: [i]Thank You![/i]
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Hi,
Is the Dong Do Hotel girl friendly that anyone is aware of?
I'm gonna be down in Hanoi from Tues till Friday staying at the Sheraton. Good news that there are some WGs available at the Nutz bar. How do you get them up to the room?
If anybody else is in Hanoi and interested in accompanying me in girl searching, I would be happy to have some company.
Visited the nightclub over the weekend and note that the bar fine system has now changed. The bar charges $25+ just to let a girl sit with you for any more than a few seconds. Makes negotiations for after close activities difficult without forking out a far sum.
Anyway I must say that there was a lot more talent in the club over the weekend, a real improvement from six months ago. With the Party conference on at the moment the girls seemed a bit starved of action, thus making the experience even more satisfying.
Ended up with a very nice lass for a LT at a neighbouring hotel. Have her number now, so no need to spend $25 next time!
Does anyone know if the Hilton is GF? If not, can you recommend any ST places nearby. Details and costs would be really appreciated.
OK, I know I'll get snapped at again for not doing my research. I guess I wasn't cut out to be a librarian.
What is the difference between the Boss Niteclub and the KTV club, both in the Fortuna Hotel? Are they the same? If different, which is less of a ripoff?
Hi guys,
Reaching Hanoi on 20th ,still no replies on Dong do hotel ,is it GF awaiting replies from regulars like Namsao.
I appreciate the help.
Hi guys,
I'm just wondering. If you want to know if a hotel is GF, can you actually call them & find out about their policy for bringing girls to your room? Or is it something you just have to ask them once you're there?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Playsafe]Hi guys,
I'm just wondering. If you want to know if a hotel is GF, can you actually call them & find out about their policy for bringing girls to your room? Or is it something you just have to ask them once you're there?
Thanks[/QUOTE]The best way to find out is to ask the girls themselves. I accept that this isn't so good if your a first timer in town, but I can confirm that the Fortuna and Oasis are both GF.
As a general rule of thumb, all three star and below hotels which are not government owned are GF.
Hilton? still don't know. Girl I was with said it was sometimes, didn't want to test it out.
BTW, if you are staying at a non-GF hotel make sure you leave the bar or nightclub early. I left with a girl at 12:10 last week, only to spend 50 minutes traveling all over the city trying to find a hotel for a ST. We ended up going to 5 mini-hotels before we found one open.
Hey man,
I have seen some great reports about you, I am reaching on20th aug, and staying at Dong Do Hotel, would like to catch up with you, if you can leave your number at the front desk of the hotel, will call you up, just tell them a guest will ask for this, CHAO.
first time in hanoi and saw all the hot syts on motorcycles zooming about the city centre. most had really sexy bodies.
was looking forward with meeting a customer for dinner and relaxation. insisted that i join them to destress after a whole day working.
went to a mp somewhere underground of a relatively big hotel. forgot to take note of the name. we were whisked away so fast after alighting the taxi. the entrance is at the right side when you face the hotel.
was immediately ushered to a vip room with a massage table + mini sauna + jacuzzi.
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
during the jacuzzi, she washed me all over including waking up my cock. and dring the massage, she used finger to run all over my ass and balls while i lay on my stomach. and massaged my balls so i obliged by lifting my ass up a bit for her to reach my cock.
played abit. asked for bj but she say vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel. bad bit is that the door has a big see-tru window directly on the massage table. so no discreetion for people walking outside.
i didn't even cum and she kept pestering me for a tip. so managed to bargain until vnd 200, 000 for tips. what a rip-off. but gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. so main thing is if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.
i miss china now that this is happening to me in hanoi. i'm living very near sheraton at the west lake. thang loi
first time in hanoi and saw all the hot syts on motorcycles zooming about the city centre. most of these syts had really sexy bodies. was eager for some nightlife.
and in the evening i was looking forward with meeting a customer for dinner and relaxation. the vietnamese really know how to insist. i succumbed joining them to destress after a whole day working.
went to a mp somewhere at a basement of a relatively big hotel. forgot to take note of the name. we were whisked away so fast after alighting the taxi. the entrance is at the right side when u face the hotel.
then after our host talked to the manager, i was immediately ushered to a vip room with a massage table + mini sauna + jacuzzi. i think they forgot about changing into pjs and slippers. immediately started the whole thing.
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
during the jacuzzi, she washed me all over including waking up my cock and during the massage, she used finger to run all over my ass and balls while i lay on my stomach and massaged my balls. obviosly i obliged by lifting my ass up a bit for her to reach my cock. this must be their way of tempting you.
i was rather passive as i had been drinking loads. bu i finally was game and played abit with her leg. she pointed to my cock for hj but i asked for bj and she started with vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. who knows how much she will charge for this if i allowed it to happen. then i said vnd300, 000 but she insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel.
hated this as no view of the action and if its without towel, people outside can look in. this is the bad bit as door has a big see-tru window directly on the massage table. so no discreetion for people walking outside.
so i got tired of the whole thing (less than 90 seconds) and asked her to stop. i didn't even cum and she kept pestering me for a tip. so managed to bargain until vnd 200, 000 for tips. what a rip-off. but gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. any idea if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.
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first time in hanoi and saw all the hot syts on motorcycles zooming about the city centre. most of these syts had really sexy bodies. was eager for some nightlife.
and in the evening i was looking forward with meeting a customer for dinner and relaxation. the vietnamese really know how to insist. i succumbed joining them to destress after a whole day working.
went to a mp somewhere at a basement of a relatively big hotel. forgot to take note of the name. we were whisked away so fast after alighting the taxi. the entrance is at the right side when u face the hotel.
then after our host talked to the manager, i was immediately ushered to a vip room with a massage table + mini sauna + jacuzzi. i think they forgot about changing into pjs and slippers. immediately started the whole thing.
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
during the jacuzzi, she washed me all over including waking up my cock. and during the massage, she used finger to run all over my ass and balls while i lay on my stomach and massaged my balls so i obliged by lifting my ass up a bit for her to reach my cock. this must be their way of tempting you.
played abit with her leg. she pointed to my cock for hj but i asked for bj and she started with vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. who knows how much she will charge for this if i allowed it to happen. then i said vnd300, 000 but she insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel.
hated this as no view of the action and if its without towel, people outside can look in. this is the bad bit as door has a big see-tru window directly on the massage table. so no discreetion for people walking outside.
so i got tired of the whole thing (less than 90 seconds) and asked her to stop. i didn't even cum and she kept pestering me for a tip. so managed to bargain until vnd 200, 000 for tips. what a rip-off. but gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. any idea if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.
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Hey buddy,
I am too in Hanoi wanna catch?
[quote=getting it on]
sop: exfoilating + jacuzzi + sauna + massage
face: 7
body: 7
age: 21
name: q
she pointed to my cock for hj but i asked for bj and she started with vnd 500, 000. i said crazy. but she started to bbbj but i stopped her. who knows how much she will charge for this if i allowed it to happen. then i said vnd300, 000 but she insisted to cover what she was doing with a towel.
gave me her number and offer to come to my hotel in the morning for usd$150 for 3 hours 30 mins because she has to work in the afternoon.
what do you guys think? should i bargain for less? is it safe to use my mobile to contact her? and give her my room number? will this be a scam or will she cry [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? how much should i give her? how about tips?
its my first time in hanoi. and i have rtff but not much info. any idea if she is clean, std free, purely sex and not going to call her gang to blackmail me.
do they come back the next day to the room to find you without you asking them to come? i'm staying with a friend thats the problem. will slip him out tonight but tomorrow he is coming back.[/quote]according to your descriptions of the girl, she's worth $30 the most. 100-150k for hj & 150-200k for bj. for $150, you should be able to get one close to model quality. i would pay 500k for a massage girl whose looks is about an 8.
if you're worried her calling you at the wrong time, why don't you get another sim card or even better, get another phone? this way she can't call you on your business phone. i don't think she would come without you requesting it. if you're worried about her blackmailing you, just give her your hotel name & tell her to meet you at the lobby. as soon as you see her, tell her to turn off her phone, so that she can't contact anyone while she's in your room. after the deed, move to a different room. give her 50-100k if you were a performer. anything the sws make with their own effort/time, they keep. no sharing with anybody else whatsoever.
std free? don't bet on it. just to "playsafe", i always cover myself. no daty with sws or even girls who have slept w/a million guys before me. one minute of fun can cost you your life.
i said this once already, but i will say it again since a lot of people complain about how expensive the girls at clubs or bars are. when you spend $100 on a sw at the club, she probably gets to keep about 50% of it, if not less. she has to pay all kinds of people behind the scene. mamasan/papasan, the mafia, the loan sharks, her brand name clothes, cosmetic products, & expensive motorbike. she has invested a lot of her time & money in order to get to the bars/clubs. she doesn't just come straight from the farm to the club. they don't live the life style like factory working girls. they do have a lot of expenses & a lot of these girls have gambling problems as well. some of them even have to feed their boyfriends so they stay with them. comparing between the wages of the factory workers & these sws is not a very good way to decide how much we should pay for p4p. but, in any case, somebody must have paid for it or else the prices wouldn't be so high.
if you want something cheap, i suggest you try the motorbike girls & the ones by the zoo. that's just my 2 cents.
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If you can bring her back to YOUR hotel then you are safe. There is no way she (or her gang) can blackmail you. I can't say about STD, though. This is a risky hobby so never do it without condom.
However, $150 for 3 to 4 hrs seems pretty stiff even it is cheap compared to Western standard. I'd bargain down to $100 and see how it goes then tip her another $10 if she sticks to the promise. There are some Hanoi girls who charge 1mil dong ($60) per shot and they are model quality if you are a Hanoi local guy and know where to look for them. Many Vietnamese do not want to share them with foreigners. Since she is a massage girl ~300K dong/hour is expected in Hanoi but it is hard to get this deal due to the simple fact that you are a foreigner.
Thanks Playsafe, Silly Puppy for your feedback. Sorry Ronin, couldn't squeeze anytime to arrange a time out. I'm here on business and was like a double agent.
Called the massage girl that morning and she didnt said sorry. Can you believe it! Well, I was saving my load for her. Damn it!
Anyway, to explain, I am sharing a room with with a colleague and on a tight business trip. So I'll report on my ongoings when i have the time. He is coming back in about 20 mins. So this is what i can cram into this report.
I've gotten good bearings and map reading of Hanoi. And i can provide some info on mongering activities for ya. Saw some Cat Tocs and will tell you guys when i have my sampling. Until then, i'm getting blue balls!
[QUOTE=Ronin Valcho]Hey buddy,
I am too in Hanoi wanna catch?[/QUOTE]Hei, Ronin Valcho. I phoned to Dong Do Hotel. No guest names Ronin Valcho. I can't catch you. You can catch a taxi and tell driver to take you to Relax Bar (25 Ly Thuong Kiet street). Girls look okay in this bar. Have fun and take care!
No problem getting it on, maybe next time, well I saw this place at fortuna, well the place has some beautiful vietnamese lass and the rate is $60 for ST and $100 for LT with $25 for the Mamasa, but be choosy and confirm first what you want for avoiding any dissapointment. Had this female for ST thats 1 1/2 hr fucked her all positions except the Arse, and came 3 times, wow it was real fun. Well till next time chao.
I tried to post this yesterday. I didn't come out. SO repost. Ok. Here is some info and the report of my second outing.
There is a narrow road called Yen Phu starting from Sheraton leading to Sofitel Plaza. In between there is a hotel called Thang Loi. All of which sits at West Lake.
If you are walking from Thang Loi Hotel or Sheraton, it will take you about less than 500m. If not, it will be about 10 mins walk from Sofitel Plaza. Walk along Yen Phu or Nghi Tam (main road). Both roads are parallel. If you walk on the main road. Nghi Tam, you will pass a Honda Dealer Showroom. You will see a Bac Doc Hotel (if I remember correctly). It has a large pink SAUNA. MASSAGE signboard.
Remember it is a hotel. But I found out it has 3 levels of 'service'. Enter directly and you will be greeted by the receptionist and you will already have menu's with prices. Basic massage $8 to VVIP massage $25. Basic is at level 3, if you want VIP or VVIP service its at levels 4 & 5 and you will be accompanied by a manager.
I opted for the VVIP. Led up and somehow, I wasnt undressed or watever. So waited at the very sitting small area for the room to be ready. I suppose thats because the sauna + jacuzzi + massage are all built-in. Agreed with the first girl sent. These MPs have standard uniforms. This one had ample cleavage on sight.
SOP: undressed. She then placed very small towel at the strategic areas. Started with scrub. Then wash off. Sauna. Bath. Allowed groping and free hand movement. Hesitated at the pussy but finally she gave in for me to make it from dry to wet. Which washing me in the tub, I slipped half my finger into her pussy. Then she stopped. But she started to tug at the rod.
Went to the sauna and dried off. Began massage. Was really good. Then she flipped me back and then off came the tiny towel as I was raging hard already. She teased a bit and asked if I wanted a HJ. I said no, I want a BJ. She immediately grabbed my cock and gave me a good suction BJ. Didn't do CIM.
Face: 7
Body: 8
Name: i forgot (its usually 1 syllable)
Damage: USD$25 (massage) + VND 300k (Tips)
Time: 2 hours
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Third outing. walked along Nghi Tam road. If you walk from Sofitel Plaza you will notice a wider road, that is Nghi Tam road. Less than 30 meters walking on the road, you will see at least 3 Cat Tocs on the Left side. I skipped the first and went for the second one. All these Cat Tocs have darkened doors/windows. So just went inside, was a very shabby basic barbershop look. Then mamasan asked 'massage'? I said yes. Asked to go up to the first floor. there had 3 beds with curtain partitions.
Less than 3 mins later, mummy + girl comes up. Face: 3, Body: 3, Age: 30++ Mummy said Cat Toc, HJ and BJ no boom boom. I said change girl. Another comes up. Was worse than the first. With no Vietnamese in hand, communication was terrible! Said sorry and left. Went to the next one further down. Went in, same proceedure.
Waited and an OK looking Viet came up. I was horny as hell and just wanted a quick release. Managed with sign language and lotsa patience to get a BJ and HJ and massage. Damn it, just wanted release! There was another girl and i asked her to leave but she thought i wanted 2 girls. I tried to negotiate for CIM. But got lost in translation.
So pushed the additional girl out and she started to point to my cock and asked me to undress. Ok, pull up her top and bra and down her jeans and panties. Bushy pussy and very dry. Started with HJ and i thought it was too long and asked her to blow me. She took some wet wipes and started but was really lousy. Kept on using HJ more than BJ. So I spit and tried to get her wet but she was as dry as the arabian desert. very dark nipples which were long but thin. Breasts were 31A and had stretch marks on stomach i noticed.
I made myself cum asap and wanted CIM. pushed her head when i exploded but she shut her mouth with her teeth. My load did get into her mouth and she just spit out and that was that.
Just took the old towel and wiped my cock and she didnt even rinse her mouth or wash anything. I asked to wash my hands but she said no bathroom so thankfully i had a bottle of water with me which i cleaned next to my bed!
Asked for the massage ..hopefully that will save the terrible experience. I said now for massage. Wore back my underwear (dirty place it was). The massage was the lousiest i've ever experienced. no technique and stupid banging just for sounds. And less than 10 mins later, i said enough. Thank you. Bye bye.
Face: 5
Body: 4
Damage: VND 100k (House) + VND 200k (girl)
Age: 30++
Damn it. I have had enough of these places in Hanoi. Lousy place to monger.
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along nghi tam road, there are 2 'big' sauna + mps, cat tocs and nga nghi's
walk from sofitel plaza onto nghi tam road towards sheraton. on your left, there will be 3-4 cat tocs. choose wisely!
walk on less than 100ms and there will be a big white coloured with coconut trees (i think) and christmas lights on the right with massage + sauna.
walk further and there will be the pink sign (sauna + massage) which i mentioned in my earlier posts. next to the honda showroom.
if you walk further down (nearer to sheraton), there is another massage sauna (bamboo/wood walls).
at the giang vo road, the bao san has a massage place at the basement. enter on right side of the building, there are steps down.
at the city centre, there are rep001tered cat tocs in the old quarters. just keep your eyes wide open. there is a mp just at the fountain roundabout at the thang long water puppet. stand in front of the thang long water puppet, and you will see a small roundabout with a water fountain (ho hoan kiem road). once at the roundabout, you will see the highland coffee and citibank at the building which will look like the front of a ship. you will notice a massage sign there. walk up.
there are a few more near the hanoi towers. sorry i dont remember the roads but all is walking distance from the point of origin.
had terrible experience in vietnam.
next stop! china!
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Anyone know the room rate per nite of the Fortuna Hotel? Several posters have written that it is guest friendly, but have not mentioned the room rate.
[QUOTE=Popos]Hello,
By the way, I recomend Dragon Hotel, close to Sheraton.
Bye![/QUOTE]
How is the neighborhood near the Dragon Hotel? Much happening there? Is it out of the way? Is it far from the Fortuna Hotel?
[QUOTE=Henry R]How is the neighborhood near the Dragon Hotel? Much happening there? Is it out of the way? Is it far from the Fortuna Hotel?[/QUOTE]Henry R,
The Sheraton Hotel is about 20 minutes from the Fortuna Hotel (about VND50.000 taxi ride). According to the recent reports not worth making the trip.
BTW I've been out a few times recently in Hanoi and past 11pm, when most bars close, the taxi drivers always suggest the nightclub at the Sheraton for mongering. I've been a few times but never been impressed. Has anyone had much action from here?
Namsao-
You wrote today that it is not worth taking the trip from the Sheraton to the Fortuna Hotel. Does that mean that both the nightclub and karoeke bar downstairs at the Fortuna are not worth visiting? Any details? You can PM me if you prefer. Thanks.
No Henry, I was refering to the Sheraton and surrounding area as "not recommended". The Fortuna is my most recommended venue in Hanoi.
Hello gentlement, I want to bring my honey ko to Vietnam from Philippines, into either Hanoi or Ho Chi Minh city.
Can anyone recomment discount airlines which fly these routes?
Regards,
Gangles
gentlemen,
Further to my earlier request for info.
When I was working in Vietnam a couple of years ago, it was essential to show marriage certificate for man and woman to book into one room.
I want to bring my gf from Phils for a vacation in Hanoi in October.
Are there any hotels where we can book into one room, when we are not married, without paying for a second room? I expect that we will stay for about a week.
best
Gangles.
[QUOTE=Gangles]gentlemen,
Further to my earlier request for info.
When I was working in Vietnam a couple of years ago, it was essential to show marriage certificate for man and woman to book into one room.
I want to bring my gf from Phils for a vacation in Hanoi in October.
Are there any hotels where we can book into one room, when we are not married, without paying for a second room? I expect that we will stay for about a week.
best
Gangles.[/QUOTE]
Try Heart Hotel - small place in the Old Quarter.
Last time I went to Hanoi, I rented a bike and rode across the river by the "old bridge" that was bombed frequently by the US Forces during the war.
There, I discovered a very interesting quaint looking Guest House, the Nam Hai Guest house (picture I will try to post here).
There were all sorts of people (local couples) checking for what was obviously day time trysts! And small bunches of young girls were also arriving and being shown to some people. My lack of local language did not help me in trying to find out more except to take pics of the place.
Anyone has knowledge of this place and how to get the most out of it and other similar joints?
Nothing in this forum on this so far.
Thanks.
C.
[QUOTE=Crazier]Last time I went to Hanoi, I rented a bike and rode across the river by the "old bridge" that was bombed frequently by the US Forces during the war.
There, I discovered a very interesting quaint looking Guest House, the Nam Hai Guest house (picture I will try to post here).
There were all sorts of people (local couples) checking for what was obviously day time trysts! And small bunches of young girls were also arriving and being shown to some people. My lack of local language did not help me in trying to find out more except to take pics of the place.
Anyone has knowledge of this place and how to get the most out of it and other similar joints?
Nothing in this forum on this so far.
Thanks.
C.[/QUOTE]That side of the river is well known for Guest House for many years.
The Nam Hai GH is the most popular address for couple and call girls, but they dont have the services to call for you.
Most of the couple went there is in love. Anyone going in alone is has some one to come later or waiting inside.
Every other places in that area is the same.
Try to get a decent Viet friend and they can call someone for you. Especially 25-35 y.o group.
Good luck.
Gangles,
You have to go through the 2nd room business or show a marriage licence only if you are with a Vietnamese girl. If your lady has a foreign passport, no problem, even if she is of Vietnamese parentage. You don't think that all the backpackers bring marriage licences whenever they travel to Hanoi. And can you imagine if you did produce a foreign marriage licence, say in Swedish, that anyone would even know what it was?
I travelled Vietnam last year with my thai gf and was totally unaware of any restrictions. We never had any difficulty in getting the rooms we wanted, like old hanoi or where ever. My guess is that they don't care at all what travelers do if viets are not involved. I cannot remember if she even had to show the passport. Be careful to ask for the exact rate, taxes, and check in and out times, otherwise they will try to take advantage.
[QUOTE=Namsao]No Henry, I was refering to the Sheraton and surrounding area as "not recommended". The Fortuna is my most recommended venue in Hanoi.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. Is the Fortuna Hotel your most recommended place because of the "Boss Niteclub" in the hotel or because of the Karoeke Bar there? Any details would be appreciated. You can PM me if you want. Thanks again.
Hello gents,
Thanks for the info.
Gangles
I was in hanoi for 10 days last year touring many places. I had my Thai GF with me and they never asked for anything in the Hotel or otherwise.
There are many laws in the books and many are rarely enforced. I believe if you get a Viet girl to stay with maybe there is a problem. It is just like phi, there is law saying guests are not allowed after 10 PM in the room. How many people got busted for that?
[QUOTE=Namsao]Visited the nightclub over the weekend and note that the bar fine system has now changed. The bar charges $25+ just to let a girl sit with you for any more than a few seconds. Makes negotiations for after close activities difficult without forking out a far sum.
Anyway I must say that there was a lot more talent in the club over the weekend, a real improvement from six months ago. With the Party conference on at the moment the girls seemed a bit starved of action, thus making the experience even more satisfying.
Ended up with a very nice lass for a LT at a neighbouring hotel. Have her number now, so no need to spend $25 next time![/QUOTE]
Nice FR Namsao,
I am headed to Hanoi soon and wonder if you care to share her contact by PM? If not, its ok too.
Promise to be decent to her and btw, what was her LT charges?
Also, is it worth making a visit to check out the array of talents there at Fortuna?
Thanks in any case,
C.
Do Son Beach, near Haiphong, North Vietnam
The Beach
If I have to travel that far just to get to the beach, Do Son would be my last choice because the sand is dark & the waters murky. There was no attraction except to check out the action.
Someone posted that the seafood is good & it should be since there were many restaurants selling the stuff. For a lone traveler, it’s difficult to check this out without wasting a table full of food you can’t finish.
My attempt to order a fried fish, with a vegetable soup in local Viet style, boiled white rice ended up all wrong. I was given fried rice with pre-fried fish meat in the fried rice, a western style gluey seafood soup (tiny bowl) served before my main course western style, and a stir-fried “morning glory “served after my fried rice was finished. I would say the cooking was ordinary at the place where I ate. The entire bill including a bottle of beer was all of 81,000 dongs. Next to me, the locals were having what looked like a sumptuous meal for sure; it’s all about communicating what you want for sure!
Casino
Strangely enough, there is a Do Son Casino located at its loveliest headland on a hill overlooking the sea. My hotel man was always looking out for me as I wandered around the area and he picked me up on his motorcycle saying some words that sounded like “Casino”. Not knowing exactly what he was saying, (and thinking he was taking me to see women), I hopped on and soon was brought on a ride to the location of the Casino high up on the headland. On the way back, he took me on a road round that headland from where there were lovely views of the Ho Dau Beach Resort, a local attempt to beautify and develop a quality resort here at Do Son.
The rest of the Do Son area is littered with small hotels (pretty decent looking) and small shop house type guesthouses with an average pricing of 150,000 to 350,000 dongs at rack rates. Foreigners without prior discounted reservations would probably pay close to the listed rate. I was charged 200,000 dongs (rack rate 220,000 dongs) for my decent two-bedded room with a balcony and a moderate view of the outside although at that late Friday afternoon hour, most of the place was deserted. It was the second hotel I walked in to enquire.
The Town
Do Son town looked pretty busy as with all Vietnamese towns and MAY present mongering opportunities in terms of Karaoke & other higher end establishments if you can find them., During this short visit, I did not have the time to explore this at all & decided against spending an additional night groping around with no local knowledge since my primary objective of checking out the RLA on the beach was fulfilled.
The Red Light Area by the sea at Do Son Beach
The objective of my visit, the entire RLA is an inverted “Y” in terms of the roads. You can walk there from the main beach area in about 10 minutes. The entrance area consists of low terraced houses on both sides of the Y. The bottom of the Y is a single street with the sea on the right and the terraced shop houses on the left. At the entrance area moving to the bottom of the Y, there are some bigger hotel-like houses on the right. Further in, on the right, there are some open verandahs where you can sit in a breezy location to drink your beer and view the ladies outdoors.
When you enter the area, you will be waved to go into the house by the people outside. It’s best to take a walk in the entire area before deciding where to do your viewing and “heave-ho”.
After taking a slow deliberate walk to have an idea of the modus operandi, I settled myself at one of these verandahs and had a brief learning chat with the mami of the place. She was carrying a cordless handset from her land phone line like all mamis anywhere else in a *****house. Despite our communication difficulties, she was more than enthusiastic to show me the girls and started calling out.
Having read that the cost was 100,000 dongs, I indicated to the mami the amount to confirm the price and she shook her head and showed me 120,000 dongs. The difference was not going to change my life so I agreed.
I viewed several girls who she called over and they arrived on their bicycles. The quality was between 3-5 overall and I rejected them all purely because they all looked “sour” and unsmiling.
Somewhere from within, one of the house girls surfaced and was smiling and teasing in her manners with me. Quite far from perfect, I took her despite her many imperfections. I would score her about 4 on a scale of 10. After all, I had come all the way to Do Son to leave behind some of the little wrigglers that my body was producing each day. For the purpose of this report, I will call her smiley since I did not even ask her name.
Smiley sat her down to enjoy a drink while I continued to sip my beer which is a nice fluid I usually consume when I am in viewing mood.
Mami organized the room which to my surprise was not in the house, but beneath the same verandah where I was sitting. I took the room facing the sea and from within the small window, I had a “sea view”.
Tried my best to imagine I was in the one of the Balinese Villas facing the ocean with a local lass to administer appropriate treatment that comes with such luxury.
The reality was a clean simple room with a double bed and a small television with a video machine. Smiley had gone out to get some videos and soon found an appropriate video for us, two girls in pigtails and schoolgirl outfits servicing a handsome fella with a big one. That might help I thought to myself.
The room had a simple shower room with two small clean towels and some used soap in the receptacle.
She pulled off my clothes and undressed herself while I was on the bed watching the video. To my surprise, she did not lead me in to the shower to wash ourselves, standard operating procedure with all *****s in Asia that I have been with.
To my surprise, she pounced on swollen dicky and proceeded to give it the ice-cream treatment it was seeking with a skill level of about 2 out of 10. There was no subtlety nor variety, just pure sucking and licking at the knob without real deep throat. My thought wandered about the lack of oral hygiene and more. I quickly pulled out and went to wash the thing before returning to bed with my trusty pack of rubber in hand. She would taken it “au-naturale” if that was my preference for sure.
Given the circumstances, I did not initiate any kissing nor was I persuaded that DATY was deserved.
For me, this was going to be “wham bang thank you mamm!”.
Gave her some treatment with my fingers before plunging in with my hummer and she reacted by closing her legs. Oh no! I thought, this won’t do! She won’t let my hips get in between those legs so shorty can thrust at will? I pulled out and showed her how to spread those legs. She opened up and closed up again as I pushed in! This went on for a few times so, I let her get comfortable with the shallow shoves as it was useless to fight that move.
Changing method, I clasped her body close and let her insert me at her will. Those legs which first refused to open eased up a little and my hummer began to buzz. I sensed it was my chance to push for home and picked up the pace from there. A young slightly blumpy body with a tight shaft helped me to reach the point of no return. Those swimmers came rushing and I let her have it hard and fast.
When I had expelled all that “poison” from within, I pulled out and went to wash up, staying focused that I am probably in a high turnover heavy duty danger zone so taking extra care is not a bad thing. (This purely my own thoughts).
She went and washed up too and we both dressed up and clowned around a little with the camera. She would not let me take her photos at all. (Something I should have negotiated).
We then went upstairs where I paid Mami the 120,000 plus 20,000 for the beer and red bull. Took my leave and recommenced my wandering around.
Simply put, some houses have house girls while others don’t. If you take their house girl who they will show you, you go into one of the rooms and do your deed which should include BBBJ and FJ or other deeds which you could discuss before you agree to take the girl. Language is obviously the difficulty if you are not Vietnamese as in my case.
There was one house where there were 4 girls inside on the lounge set and I went in and loitered around. Young Papasan came in and he shook his head when I suggested taking one of the girls to my hotel for an overnight session. On my suggestion that I take her for ST at my hotel, he continued to shake his head and pointed me upstairs.
I laughed and said no as my dickie was already dead without possibility of revival for at least half an hour. Sat around & played around with the girls with my pocket translator and they found me funny to laugh at because of the communication difficulties I was having.
Once “thawed” I found the girls without attitude although initially, most of them did not smile naturally. The young papasan and the girls did allow me a few photographs which I took just to show readers the average looks and quality you get here. I would think it would be about the same you get in Cambodia at the low end shacks that have now ceased operations outside Phnom Penh due to NGO action.
On that late Friday afternoon, there were about 20 to 30 girls moving about from house to house and all on bicycles. Customers were just a handful of people like me. I would imagine that in the Do Son area, if someone wanted a viewing, they would go to one of the small hotels within and outside of the RLA and a call would be made for the girl to cycle over for the viewing until a choice is made.
I nicknamed them the “cycling butterflies” and began to enjoy viewing them as they cycled by me each time.
A bad throat (sore & ticklish) in Hanoi was breaking out that day and I went back to my room to sleep. That evening, I awoke at 9.30 pm. Walked back to the location and the same “tour” of the RLA to see if there was more talent at night that late Friday evening.
There were many taxis and cars mostly local people from Haiphong from what I was told. Many people sitting in the lounges while taxis and other private cars were parked wherever there was space. Girls coming and going on bicycles for the viewing. During that walk, I would estimate that there are about 30 to 50 girls in the entire area moving about. The quality that night looked a little better than in the day. It could just be the lighting being dimmer.
A lovely looking cutie who I would rate about a 6 sat on a bicycle outside the house where I had paused that afternoon. She was “horsing around” with the young papasan who was rubbing himself on her on the bicycle. Papasan offered her to me and again, I proposed for her to go to my hotel room. He shook his head. I was not really up to a session and went back to suffer the night in my room alone. If I had not had that bad cough, I would have taken her upstairs for the ST session at that price of 120,000 dongs since she was the best looker in my eyes all day and evening.
If you like ST sessions and are in Hanoi, (with time to spare) I would recommend a one-two night stopover here in Do Son simply for the experience if nothing. 120,000 dongs is the equivalent of about US$7.50/- I understand that the locals pay around 90,000 to 100,000 dongs a shag.
Getting There
From Hanoi
Via Haiphong
By Train 5 times a day. Only the 5.50am train departs from Hanoi Station, the others leave from Long Bien Station. I was advised not to use the train by my hotel travel desk. To quote the lady, “the train is very uncomfortable and stops many times along the way.”
By bus from the local Luong Yen bus station at Tran Khanh Du – Duong Nguyen Khoai.
The bus fare was 30,000 dongs to Haiphong. On my return journey, I discovered that I had taken the wrong company bus at that station; sort of hijacked by that bus’s runner while the main operator runs a better and bigger bus for only 25,000 dongs at the station.
Also discovered that I could easily have waited for bus along the route which passes a point near my hotel (Tran Quang Khai) and saved myself the taxi ride to the bus station. Both ways, the bus drives at a snail’s pace to pick up passengers along the route as it leaves both Hanoi as well as Haiphong.
It continues to pick up passengers along the route wherever there are people seeking to board the bus. For the return leg, I managed to alight near the area of my hotel on the main road (Tran Quang Khai) and walked to my hotel in Hanoi’s Hoan Kiem area saving myself the taxi ride from the bus station.
From Haiphong, there’s another 20 kilometers to go to reach Do Son. A minibus service every 20 minutes from Haiphong gets you there. I could not work out where to get this bus. Since it was my first trip. Hopped into a metered taxi and he took me there. The meter ran all of 234,000 dongs. I made him circulate the entire beach area so I had a good idea of the layout of the place before I sent him away. This also allowed me to locate the “red light area” of Do Son Beach to ensure that I would not have to enlist another “guide” to locate it later. For the return journey, I managed to ask my hotel where to catch the bus and waited for it on the main road. Arriving in Haiphong, I did not manage to alight at a suitable nearby place to the bus station and had great difficulty until a kind mother and daughter put me in a taxi that got me to the station. That screw up cost me a 22,000 dong taxi ride.
My recommendation to anyone with little Vietnamese language ability to have ready to show photographs (in your digital camera) of the bus station and other important destinations or things to help describe what you want to local people. My pocket electronic translator with its words & phrases proved to be less adaptable when I needed it most but, it did help.
A note of appreciation to our friend "D" in Saigon and deptrai4u in Hanoi for advice and prep info where appropriate. Also to Mx for telling me about this place or I would not have heard of it.
Notes to pictures:
1) Hanoi - Haiphon Bus
2) Seafront verandah view of the ST houses looking inwards
3) The shophouse ST places, a road view
4) Road at the Y junction looking inwards with one girl on bicycle
5) Hon Dau Beach from up on the headland
6) Do Son Casino on the Headland from the RLA road end
7) Do Son Beach Front
8) Haiphong Bus Station - you could show this picture to the taxi or people so you can located it on your return journey form Do Son on the mini bus
9) Haiphon Hanoi bus ticket
10) Seafront verandah ST place, side view with room below.
More pictures:
11) & 12) Pictures of shop house guest houses not in RLA near beach.
Hey guys finally decided to change my destination and will be visiting hanoi/halong city for acouple of weeks next week anyone got any info on some of the better hotels and bars to stay at and check out or anything else mongering related I might find usefull. Many thanks.
Hey guys,
I finally decided to change my destination and will be visiting Hanoi/Halong city for acouple of weeks next week anyone got any info on some of the better hotels and bars to stay at and check out or anything else mongering related i might find usefull.
Many thanks.
[QUOTE=Crazier]Do Son Beach, near Haiphong, North Vietnam
If you like ST sessions and are in Hanoi, (with time to spare) I would recommend a one-two night stopover here in Do Son simply for the experience if nothing. 120,000 dongs is the equivalent of about US$20/- I understand that the locals pay around 90,000 to 100,000 dongs a shag.[/QUOTE]I think your are wrong about the exchange rate. Now the exchange rate is about 1usd=16,200 vnd, so a shag is about 7.5 usd. From what I heard the price for the locals would be the same. It is only that they can talk to the pimps and tell the pimps the types of girls they want. And of course you have to see the girls and decide if you want them or not. If you don't then just say "next".
I'll grab a map a.s.a.p. but if you're up for drinks, and willing to show me the ropes, then drop me a PM. See you later this week at the Daewoo.
[QUOTE=Vn1111]I think your are wrong about the exchange rate. Now the exchange rate is about 1usd=16,200 vnd, so a shag is about 7.5 usd. From what I heard the price for the locals would be the same. It is only that they can talk to the pimps and tell the pimps the types of girls they want. And of course you have to see the girls and decide if you want them or not. If you don't then just say "next".[/QUOTE]
If you go see my post, I had edited it a while a go to correct the wrong exchange rate result I came up with.
It's never easy to get it all right when you are filing a report with a beer in hand etc. Thanks for the pointing it out too because it is a huge difference between US$7.50 and US$20/-
Perhaps, the price difference between my local information and my own visit is the timing between their visit and mine ; a gap of more than a year. Language is always a significant item that makes difference between a good fuck and a great fuck for sure! That said, with a very few rare girls, it's totally ANIMAL.
Went for a little walk along the lake near the Daewoo at about 10pm when the sound of little sandals comes running up from behind me. Exhausted from the 50 yard dash, she expresses a sigh then turns and smiles.
With virtually no means by which to communicate, other than hand signs and writing on each other's hands, we proceeded to spend the next 2 hrs. walking around the lake; laughing about not understanding each other.
At times, we would stop at dark sections of the lake and I would pet her heavily--for which I feel a bit guilty now because when money was offered, she refused it--what the heck? This 23-old student let an old man grope, grap, and kiss her for 2 hrs. and wanted no money?
I'll be back (Dec).
Bert 2002
PS: Sorry, just realized that the pm system is a pay feature. I'm active on the USA site. Ping me there. Let's have drinks when I'm back at the end of the year.
i have traveled extensively through asia, know the deal with pussy for sale in tokyo, beijing, thailand, singapore, bali, cambodia, sri lanka- you get the picture, i’ve traveled and sampled the local stuff all over asia.
out of respect to the local expats and maybe sexpats, its possible that i just haven't scratched the surface yet. if i am inaccurate or need correcting, i welcome it.
as a first-timer in vietnam visiting hanoi, i can clearly state- hanoi sucks. if you are looking for any type of poon-tang do not waste your time coming here. there are very limited venues that are overpriced, it is definitely a sellers marked. if you happen to be in hanoi and just want to find some tail, ok, if you think of coming to hanoi for a piece of ass, virtually any other place in asia is better than here. what can i say from being here one week.
fortuna hotel/boss nightclub- this board suggests it’s the best place, so i went. small, dark, dimly lit, nice couches, seating, live band that alternates with a dj, dance floor but no one dances, if you did you’d look like an ass cuz its not that kind of place. lots of karaoke rooms off to the side with the asian businessmen doing their thing.
pretty swanky for a pussy parlor. girls are dressed superbly, i mean really elegantly, silk, perfect dresses or ao dam. some are actually gorgeous. nothing looking sleazy or tattoos and piercings, this is high end pussy.
drinks- way overpriced. service very poor. takes a long time to get drinks. at the end of the night the barman made me wait literally 15 minutes to get my change. i presume he was thinking i might just walk out. after all the change was les than us$5, but on principle i wasn’t gonna let it slide.
mama-san is busy and not always easy to get, actually difficult to get, which is a problem since the girls don’t negotiate themselves. every time i was there mama-san wanted me to simply take the girl standing closest, didn’t really give me a chance to choose from the whole lot. i notice that when the japanese, korean, chinese middle-aged guys (i’m a white guy in my 30’s) come in, they sit on a couch and mama-san summons about 20 girls for them to choose from. maybe i don’t look like a big spender. tip for mama-san or the house is us$25. 2 nights ago i had mama-san really try to squeeze me for an extra $20. for nothing, she just said, “tip for mama-san, us$25 go to house”. after politely saying “no chance” 5 times in a row, she left because she had other business. the price for the girl was $100. didn’t give me any chance to negotiate, only let me choose from 3 or 4 girls.
the first night i was there, mama-san told me to pay us$25 just to sit with a girl. its us$25 to take a ***** out of there, so no way was i gonna spring us$25 just to sit. i’d bought them drinks but mama-san shooed them away immediately when i wouldn’t pay to sit with them.
the club closes at midnight but currently has a policy that girls cannot leave the premesis before midnight. that means if you want to bang before midnight you have to blow another us$125 or whatever to get a room there. it’s a total bullshit monopoly. you should know that most hotels in hanoi will not allow you to bring a piece of pussy back to your place, at least not vietnamese. i returned to my hotel alone before the girl got there to ask if it was ok. they said “yes” realizing that i’d been to a legit nightclub initially, they thought i’d picked up a tourist. they asked, “foreigner, not vietnamese”. i said “vietnamese” which elicited a violent head shaking as if the guy just had hot peppers injected into his sinuses. ok, gotta use a mini-hotel or love hotel. review below.
upon leaving, we were separately riding scooters, and this very beautiful, great body but total ***** 22 year old girl tried to start negotiating down the time she’s gonna spend. down from 5 to 3 to 2 hours. at that point i say, no way, the original 5 hours. she gets annoyed and drives past my hotel, which is good because out of principle i don’t want to pay that kind of $ to a *****y asshole, and i don’t want to hang out with a chick who’s not fun.
overall, fortuna is a very expensive, swanky pussy parlor, you have to learn how to navigate in there, but everything is straightforward. plan to drop cash.
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hanoi hotel/hanoi nightclub
more my speed. more friendly, and straightforward. well light. when you walk in, a small bar that is an oval around which about 20 chairs can fit. in the center, bartenders and 2 stripper poles, long, lean, scantily-clab but not naked girls grinding to house music. my style. off in another room is a live band and group of good-looking girls, pretty much same as fortuna hotel. a few karaoke rooms off to the side.
same policy as fortuna, no leaving the premesis before midnight, meaning if you want to bang, gotta get a room at the hanoi hotel. fyi i stayed there first night in hanoi by coincidence- it is a 2 ½ star hotel by way of rating the room. its basically just a bit better than a dormitory room. i’m sure this is what hotels were when the only visitors to hanoi were chinese on business. i digress.
in hanoi nightclub, same deal as fortuna, $25 tip to house, mama-san doesn’t bring more than 4 girls for me to check out. i don’t dig any so i don’t select any, but realizing i’m not doing great at fortuna, i tip mama-san $20 just for taking the 10 minutes to help me out. its good to grease the wheels sometimes.
for attitude, i recommend hanoi hotel/hanoi nightclub over fortuna
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relax café
located close to the old quarter, hoan kiem lake, where most tourists probably stay and where my hotel is. no air-con. at night, it’s a kind of sad sight. a number of guys, almost all by themselves, either surrounded by independent hookers or just staring into their beer. fortuna and hanoi are ok to be in alone because they are kind of elegant. relax is just depressing. you look at a bunch of guys hoping to god that you are not like them- unhappy, not dressed great, not having a good time. shout out to all relax regulars- if this is offensive to you because you happen to be a normal, decent-looking guy, sorry, i missed you on saturday night at closing, i only saw a sad few guys.
the women here are10-20 years older than the girls in fortuna and hanoi, speak english pretty [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor, and are just not great looking. advantage, they are available immediately, willing to bang for just one hour or all night. i’d been in the café in the afternoon and exchanged numbers with a girl who was gonna help me find some weed. later, she came through with the weed and had her “sister” on the back of her scooter. sister looked 30 years old, put together well, not hot but cute. wanted us$35 to bang. i said us$25 and it was on.maybe that’s a low price because we’d already done some business or maybe it was just so late (3 am) that there was no possibility of another customer. had to check into a mini-hotel. review of mini-hotel below.
overall, i would recommend checking out relax just to get an idea what the girls would look like- paying us$35 for a piece of ass vs us$125 to get one out of fortuna is a big difference. also, drinks in fortuna are much pricier. definitely check the place out, whether its to pick up a piece of pussy or just pop your head in the door and say “no way”
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scooter girls
at night, girls on scooters will shout out “hello, hello” they barely speak english, and look ok at best, very beat-up and high-mileage at worst. next to hoan kiem i was riding my scooter and stopped for one. i actually wanted some weed, and tried to speak my pathetic 10 words in vietnamese to her and use gestures. she indicated that she had some. i told her i want 100,000 viet dong worth, which is us$3. she agrees. we pull into an alley and i presume there’s a dealer there or she has it. she then gestures for me to pull down my pants and is getting at my belt. i stop here and she puts her finger in her mouth and is sucking like she’s giving a blow job. she then pulls out a 100,000 bill and makes me realize that she wants to give me a bj for us$3. if she wasn’t so high-mileage or if i were hornier or into bjs, i might have done it just to have a record cheap bj. us$3 ha ha ha. i wonder if that would have included swallowing :p
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mini-hotels
you can’t bring girls to most hotels, unless it’s the hotel they’re working in like fortuna or hanoi hotel. even then, unless you were slick enough to register as 2 guests, they will make you pay for a 2nd room just for the girl. so you can’t go back to your hotel, don’t want to pay us$125 for a room just to bang, so you go to a mini-hotel. this is basically a hot-sheet hotel, but nothing clean or decent like a tokyo love hotel. this is a dark, beat place that is questionably clean. i shit you not when i say i feared lice or scabies just from the sheets or towels. i seriously think it would be possible to get an std even without touching the girl, just from the linens. good think, the price was only 200,000 or us$12. that was the price the viet girl got, i presume you should have the girl get the room and tell her ahead of time you’re expecting it to be that price.
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small karaoke club-warning
i was almost robbed in a karoake club that i went to after hours. after fortuna closed at midnight, i ask a taxi to take me to a karaoke club, or ask it one is open. he says yes and takes me to a desolate spot with 2 guys sitting in front of a building. up goes the metal shutter door and i’m taken inside. i hear music so presume the place still has customers. not. i go up 3 floors to a room and the only guy who speaks english says us$50 for the room including drinks for 2 hours with a girl. i say no way, since a piece of high end pussy cost us$25 for the house at fortuna, i wasn’t gonna double that. especially since i’d seen 2 of the girls, and they were just ok, nothing i would be interested in. i get to my taxi and the guy stops me, tells me ok the manager agrees to us$25 discount just for me. ok, i’m inside and they bring beer, fruit, and 3 girls, none of which i want. i ask for more girls, but they have all gone home. if i want to see 3 more girls, i have to pay us$5 more for their taxi. ok. they arrive and i pick one, speaks no english. we hang for a while but the no english thing just isn’t working.
i want to leave and a guy i’ve never seen yet tells me i owe 300,000 (us$18). i ask for what and he says “service” i refuse and say i’m leaving, he stands in front of the door and puts his hand on my shoulder. i don’t know if you’re familiar with asia, but people will hoot, holler, scream, etc, but do not violate personal space by touching. this makes me nervous because that’s very ballsy. the guy is a shrimp, probably 5-6 140 pounds, i could probably literally kill him using no weapons pretty easily as i can handle myself. i am struck by the idea- i am locked in here (the metal shutter door closed after i went in) no one knows i’m here, and this guy is getting pissed off. i realize that confrontation won’t work or might get me stabbed cuz there are at least 4 other guys there, so i sit down and start to drink the many bottles of beer on the table. i even offer him one and he is annoyed. after 20 minute of a mexican standoff, he threatens that “boss get holi gun, holi gun”. i’m a second-amendment gun-toter myself back in the us, so when someone says “gun” i take it seriously. after another minute, i realize he is saying “hooligan” the boss is gonna get some thugs to come get the cash from me. i sit down, keep drinking beer and finally some guys come in to clean the room and they kick me out.
word to the wise- do not enter an empty or after-hours karaoke unless you have your trusted faithful taxi driver outside or better yet a viet inside with you.
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massage parlors.
never have i had a bang, bj, or even been inside a massage parlor, but at this point i’m ready to try one.
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A few points:
1) You should have read the forum before going to a strange KTV all by yourself. Street-smart sense is neccessary.
2) You should have read the forum before going to Fortuna as everyone here says it sucks!
3) Hanoi is much cheaper than Saigon when it comes to sex. However, the Hanoi people are not very friendly to help out a foreigner. They are afraid you are going to tear their women apart :D .
4) Average fuck in Hanoi costs ~ 200K to 300K. A 400K ($25) girl is ~ a 7 to 8.
5) You must know someone local to get decent girls. Some very beautiful girls, model quality, cost between 1mil dong to $100.
6) Barbershop (Hot toc Nam) is where you can get bj for 150K.
7) Massage parlor: There are many but all in Vietnamese so you must ask a taxi or motocycle driver. Here are some of them:
Hoàng Long at the end of Lò Đúc street: 1 ticket ~60K, tip 100 to 150K for hj
Massage Bạch Mai: Ticket ~ 70K, Tip 150K bj, 200K fs
Sakura Cầu Trục Cát Linh : Ticket 150K, 100K to 150K tip for hj
Good Report Busy Monkey!!
A friend and I will be leaving for Hanoi next week. Does anyone know if Apocolypse Now in Hanoi is still closed? Any other discos in Hanoi or Danang with available ladies?
If anyone wants to join us for a drink, please PM me. We plan to visit Hanoi, Sapa, Halong Bay, Hue and Danang.
Busy Monkey
a) USD25 is for club, not Mummy.
USD60 for ST, USD80-100 for overnight.
Henry
a) Apocolyse is closed
Silly Puppy
a) Bach Mai is a long street. What number? 373 Bach Mai? Interesting that massage palours offer fs at 200k.
New World and Apocolypse Now are closed, from what I read on this forum. Are there any other discos in Hanoi with "action"?
[QUOTE=Silly Puppy]A few points:
5) You must know someone local to get decent girls. Some very beautiful girls, model quality, cost between 1mil dong to $100.
Silly Puppy - Regarding your point number 5 Above. I have no local contacts there. How do we go about getting local contacts in north and central Vietnam to show us where the good action is? You can PM me if you want. Thanks.
I was told by a friend that there is similar setup in Bao Son Hotel - a supposedly 4 stars hotel with nightclub downstair of the hotel, just like the Boss Club in Fortuna Hotel.
But the venue is more catering to locals thus price is a level lower than those at Fortuna.
Has anyone tried this place?
Will appreciate sharing any experience here...
SJ
A taxi driver said Apocalypse Now in Hanoi reopened yesterday October 8. Can anyone confirm if this is true?
Didn't have time to check it out when I was there. Understand from my local client that you can pick up undergrads earning sidelines on the main street leading to the students village. Have anyone tried?
[QUOTE=Busy Monkey]
Massage Parlors.
Never have I had a bang, bj, or even been inside a massage parlor, but at this point I’m ready to try one.
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BM - excellent report on all that does not happen in Hanoi. After all of that do you really think a massage parlour is going to offer real service?
Put simply - there is a lot of private pussy in Hanoi but not much commercial.
Come visit us in Saigon for some action - still not unrestricted.
Busy Monkey-
Just ended my trip. You are correct. Hanoi sucks. And Da Nang is just as bad. Most of Vietnam has almost no monger action, and the little it has is too expensive. Also, the beaches in Vietnam are not nearly as beautiful as advertised - most I have seen are mediocre.
First off, thanks to all the guys providing good information on this site. I've been a long time reader and now I am in the position to post some information.
I arrived in Hanoi around mid-September and there are MPs in the Old Quarter. Some you have to look for, but they are there if you're keeping your eyes open, which is tough when you see all the cuties on the motobikes. There's a big MP just north of the lake in the same building as the Highlands Coffee. I did not go there because when I went to grab a late lunch at 69 Bar/Restaurant (recommended by me and LP) and there was a girl at the bar. She looked Japanese, but was Vietnamese. We started chatting and she gave me the schpiel about 'not having a place to stay. ' So, I knew the game was on. Took her back to my place and had great evening. She wanted 500k dong, but I bargained her down to 250k dong for the night. No Yum-Yum and I didn't ask for back door, but she was very willing and 'flexible' for everything else.
Happy and Safe Hunting.
A couple months ago I went to Hanoi, where I stayed in the Melia. This is not a good place for mongering. They have signs strictly forbidding guests to take people to their rooms. The best you could hope for is to take a girl to the club, and from there, sneak her to your room. I checked out the club, and it was totally lame. The hotel keeps local talent out.
I also checked out the massage. They have a very good massage place, but the girl refused to give me a special massage. I then learned that for a higher price (US$35) you can have a massage in your room. I hoped that the lack of privacy in their massage parlour was the reason for the refusal. Alas, no. Although I turned on all my charm, offered vast amounts of cash, and eventually begged, she sweetly and gently refused.
So on my last night, I set off determined to find something. On every corner, young men on motorbikes offered to take me to bars, girls, but I was not comfortable with that. Then two girls pulled up near the hotel on a motorbike. They said they had a hotel close by, and the price was $35, including the room. I said no at first. But then I decided to take the risk. Luckily I gave the matter some thought. I left all my valuables in the hotel, bringing only enough cash for the deal, with 100,000 Vietnamese Dong (US$6) spare in my back pocket for an emergency taxi.
I went out and within 5 minutes they found me again. I squeezed in between them. It was great fun riding through seedy parts of town on a motorbike squeezed in between two working girls. But I realized how totally vulnerable I was, and realized this was probably not a good idea.
We went to a hotel and I paid 100,000 Dong for the room. I had the honour being her first customer of the night. The girl was slender, but in better light did not look great. She had strange patches on her arm and thigh, making me wonder if she were a drug addict hiding needle marks. The deed was over quickly. Then she wanted to give me a massage, but I felt ill at ease with this girl in a seedy hotel far from my own. So I asked to be taken back and promised to come back the next day for a longer session.
We went back. On the way, she fooled around, grabbing my crotch and playing with my ass. What she was really doing was checking my pockets. When we arrived, she asked me to pay the girl who rode the bike. I noticed my emergency cash was missing. I told her I was broke. She checked every pocket and had to let it go. I did not make an issue about the missing money, being only $6.
In short: interesting experience but I do NOT recommend it. Avoid the biker chicks. With more time and some research in the forum, you should be able to come up with a better approach.
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[QUOTE=Anonymous]First off, thanks to all the guys providing good information on this site. I've been a long time reader and now I am in the position to post some information.
I arrived in Hanoi around mid-September and there are MPs in the Old Quarter. Some you have to look for, but they are there if you're keeping your eyes open, which is tough when you see all the cuties on the motobikes. There's a big MP just north of the lake in the same building as the Highlands Coffee. I did not go there because when I went to grab a late lunch at 69 Bar/Restaurant (recommended by me and LP) and there was a girl at the bar. She looked Japanese, but was Vietnamese. We started chatting and she gave me the schpiel about 'not having a place to stay. ' So, I knew the game was on. Took her back to my place and had great evening. She wanted 500k dong, but I bargained her down to 250k dong for the night. No Yum-Yum and I didn't ask for back door, but she was very willing and 'flexible' for everything else.
Happy and Safe Hunting.[/QUOTE]
You had her all nite long for only 250K dong? That's only about $15 US. If true, you were very lucky! Especially in Hanoi!
Some weeks ago i had a session with a biker girl. Meanwhile she gave me a bbbj in the shower (she tried to make high noices to not let me hear what was really going on) - her friend sneaked in and stole my money. Though, she left the credit cards and the mobile phone which i am glad for.
Lesson: never go with more money then you decided to spend before your cock-brain took over the thinking.
Hi,
I am in Hanoi through Nov 26. It is my first time in Hanoi. Read all the reports. Thank you to all the posters. It's been very helpful. Would love to hook up with anyone for beers. Any takers?
Thanks!
I had taken a gf to Hanoi for a wek or so of relaxation, fucking, tourism, eatng and sleeping. But she took a bunk on day 3, so it was up to me to find some fun. I had made a fairly thorough search of the RTFF, so I had a list of points to look for. I decided to split my time into 2 parts. Daytime for bbj at hot tocs, and evenings to check the bars if there was any juice left in the tank.
I started with my list of hot tocs around the middle of the city. I walked most of the streets, without finding what I was looking for, except that I did not know what to look for. I guess once I found one, I would be OK. I did find the Emperor, at 154 Trieu Viet Vuong st. There is a prominent sign at eye level. The dood is closed, but as your hand hits the door knob, someone inside opens the door. I had expected to pay 100,000 door price, plus 100,000 to the girl. The mama inside the door said that it was $10 to the house, $10 to the girl. That was OK by me. I showed that I only wanted bbbj, that was OK with her. But there were only 2 girls. The one in front was really scrawny, bad teeth etc, but the girl hiding behind her was pretty, so I chose her. Name was miss C. There is a narrow, steep flight of stairs to a mezzanine floor above, with 5 narrow beds, pretty scruffy. Go to with miss C, rubbing, squeezing, she loosened her bra and pulled her top and bra up to reveal a pair of nice bumpers.
She hauled my clothes off, laid me back and got to work. I reached round, undid her pants, and hauled them down past her arse. Nice cheecks, tickled her off while she sucked away. She got very wet very quickly, so I slipped in a finger and gave her a bit of a work out. She was squirming and wriggling, and I blew off into her mouth. Nice bit of action. She cleaned up, then rolled me over and proceeded to give me a basic massage. Not good, not bad, but part of the deal. All in all, I was pretty happy, paid her, paid the door, and left, planning to come back next day for a repeat.
Next day, I returned, mid afternoon. Miss C eyes lit up when I asked for her in a loud voice, and she hussled me off upstairs. We started rubbing up again, and this time I pulled up her top, undid her jeans, and pulled them down to her ankles. I started basically tickling and rubbing across her belly, down her crutch, and eventually into her magic zone. She was awash with juice already, so I started to give her a slow steady finger fucking. Not long later she was buckling, just collapsing and convulsing, until she could not take it any more, and I stopped. Apparently the rule is that she can pull her clothes up and down, but cannot actually take anything off. So in her state, she got to work on me, and was more than accommodating. It was a great blow job, filled her mouth, dribbling down outside. I was spent. She pulled up her pants, rolled me over and proceeded with her massage, as before. I gave her a tip of 100,000, and she was very happy.
I had a break for a couple of days while I was in Do Son, but on my way back to Hanoi, I stopped in again. As before, her eyes lit up when I entered, and she hustled me off upstairs in a hurry. She could not wait to get her top up, her pants down, and my clothes off. Again, I started to tickle her up, but she was awash with juice already. So I laid her on her back, and started to stroke her clit. She was coming in no time, I guess she was excited in anticipation. While she was heaving on her back, I slipped my dick into her mouth from the side, and started to face fuck her. She grabbed two fingers, and stuck them in her ****, pushing me in and out. I got it going, and she was off with the birds, heaving up and down while sucking on my prick while I face fucked her. Finally she could not take any more, got up, rolled me onto the bed on my back, and got on to finish the bbj. Sucked so hard I was stunned, and filled her face with juice. She just stayed there for a short while after I came, slowly sucking up and down till there was nothing more for me to give.
Then she got up with a huge grin on her face, grabbed a towel, cleaned us both off, and we both got dressed. Another 100,000 VND ($6) tip, and I staggered out of the place with my knees trembling, could hardly walk. What a woman.
It makes me miserable to leave the place.
Took the effort to check out the Boss lounge at the Fortuna hotel, on Lang Ha Street. There would be a decided advantage in having a room at the hotel, costing about USD 80 per night. The place is in the basement, large, very comfortably laid out, well decorated, with concentric circles of lounges generally facing the stage. I was there on Tuesday night, arrived about 10 to 10.30. Very few customers.
I was stunned by the number and quality of the girls on hand. There would not have been one less than an 8, most were 9’s, and a couple were outstanding. All slim, most with good sets of tits, generally on display. All were immaculately dressed, most in traditional Au Dai.
I fronted the bar for a beer, sat on a stool, to take a look and get my bearings. The barman presented a menu of drink options, with prices. Beers were USD4, cocktails higher. Within a minute or so, a gorgeous woman was standing along side, striking up a conversation. I offered a drink, which she ordered. Once we had got going, she told me that it would cost USD30 for me to talk with her. Given the hour and my mongering frame of mind, I said that this would not be a good deal for me, so she drifted away. The bar closes at 12 that night.
Had a chat with a couple of guys, and asked a couple of girls about prices. A short time is USD80, and only in a room at the hotel. If you do not have a room, it will cost another USD80 to register. I could not get a clear statement of how long one gets for the fee, I suspect that once you have blown off the dirty water, she will leave and get back to the bar.
Every now and then, a group of girls would appear from a side door and drift across the bar area. It seemed to me that this was an organised activity to show as many girls as possible to the few customers present.
At about 11, a band came on stage and put on a great performance, it was a pity there were so few paying customers.
As time went by, closer to closing time, and there were very few customers, more girls approached me to take them for a ST, and pay. I gracelessly declined, having the clear image in my mind of a good massage and blow job for less than $20. It seemed that $160 for a fuck was a bit steep, albeit the girls were stunning and I could take my pick from 30 or more.
The most beautiful of them struck up a conversation about 11.30, and kept coming back to keep it rolling. Eventually I gave her my number and said I would see her next night. She called the next night from the club, just to check that I would be there. Must heve been short of customers again.
Stopped over to check out the Relax bar. It was about half half expat and Viet customers. As we sat at a small table, two gorgeous young waitresses/hostesses came over and struck up conversation. We chatted for a while. Once the better looking of the pair had established that I was a transient and my mate was permanent, I was no longer of interest. There were about 8 waitresses, all very pretty, slim, well spoken. Ours said they are students, working in the bar to pay the bills. Could be real. Neither indicated that they were available for take out, and I didn’t see any customer take out any of the staff. There was one woman there who could have been a fl, or she may have been with the party of guys she was with. So not a red hot pace for action.
As we left, we were accosted outside by a number of street fl, but by that time we were not interested, since miss C had drained my bodily fluids not long before.
This is a fun venue, not brightly signed outside. It’s a big bar, with a band behind the bar. Bargirls are pretty good looking, very fuckable. The crowd was mostly young Vietnamese, with a few expats. I could not spot any obvious wg or fl. I just had a couple of beers and watched the passing parade of good looking young girls. There were no obvious working girls that I could see that evening, so I did not push my luck. A great place to come for a few beers, a bit of a laugh, and to ogle the damsels, if you do not have one already.
Just to share my experience on my trip to Hanoi. I was on a business trip and stayed at Hilton Hanoi Opera and went on a hunt in a club called Apocalypse Now. Good music (of all varieties) and the music would pick-up later on into some dance music. The club was filled with people (rather young crowd).
Picked this girl up called Nguyen (I think half of the Vietnamese population has this name) after exchanging loads of smiles. Quote USD150 for a pop but negotiated for USD100 for 3 hours = 2 pops! She didn't even want the donk equivalent to USD100 (about 1.3 to 1.5million I think). A straight NO from her. NO USD NO SEX!! Gosh!
She has an OK face with a slim body (I didn't see any fat vietnamese girls in Hanoi, are there any? Must be their beef noodles diet). She is just an avarage Vietnamese girl that makes fake noises while shagging.
My question is that do they use Dong for a bonk?
Just came back from a fantastic bbbj in a hot toc. She had very nice attitude, was very sweet and with amazing D-tits. Promised me bum bum next time. I will ask her if I can take pictures then.
Went with my motorbike and looked for a hot toc with dark or frosted windows. I found one with frosted windows and a girl on the inside that searched for eye contact.
Parked my motorbike at a guarded parking nearby and went to check it out. Imagine this – you go in to a hair cutter and the first thing they ask is…what? A hair cut?…no no no. Massaaa’? I said yes of course and pointed at the big breasted cashier next to the mamasan. Mamasan wanted 100 000 dong for the bed. I said ok.
Besides mamasan and the cashier girl, there was one another girl to choose of, but I had already spotted the cashiers cleavage and i had already decided to go with her.
Walked up on a stair just above the haircutting area. No walls, just curtains. But since there were no other customers, I saw no problem with that. Her english was very limited, so I confiremd my wishes with body language. Yes, no problem. Negotiated the price to 10 dollar which she confirmed with a smile.
She started to clean me off with a wet towel. I grabbed her tits and she took out them for display. Amazing!! Beautiful was my first words. She laughed. In front of my eyes I saw two pair of natural wonders, D-size. Since most of the Vietnamese girls have just B-size and I’m a breast man, I was very lucky. I couldn’t belive it. Here in Vietnam, you don’t find natural D-cups on thin girls very easily.
Before I went in I was going to ask for a cim, but with these tits in front of me, I was satisfied with a bbbj.
I was not going to ask her any special things, this, the first time. Just wanted to show her respect and treat her nice and do her job. Though, I wasn’t dissatisfied, she did her job very good, I soon came, though not in her mouth, just on her chin and face. She cleaned off with a towel.
She cleaned me up with another towel. I paid her 260 000 dong, which was 100 000 tip, she was very happy. When I walked out from the door she shouted cheerfully bye bye!
I will give you the address when I have done her enough of times.
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[QUOTE=Gangles]Had a chat with a couple of guys, and asked a couple of girls about prices. A short time is USD80, and only in a room at the hotel. If you do not have a room, it will cost another USD80 to register. I could not get a clear statement of how long one gets for the fee, I suspect that once you have blown off the dirty water, she will leave and get back to the bar.
[/QUOTE]Hello Gangles.
I was there at the end of November and ST was $60. One or 2 girls tried to make me believe it was $80, but they were just trying their luck. I can't believe they've jacked the price up by 33% in the space of only a week.
If you are still in Hanoi, see my report on Boss club here for more hints:
[url]http://www.hookerlooker.biz/bb/viewtopic.php?t=1281[/url]
By the way, that price of $80 for a room doesn't sound right. Before my trip I hunted high & low for rooms at the Fortuna on many different sites and the cheapest I could get was $120, before taxes etc. ($138 after taxes). The second time I went I got the room for a bit less $115, by reserving directing with the hotel. Gripes aside (in my report), it's a superb hotel, boss club or no boss club. The breakfast bar was something I used to look fwd to everyday!
[QUOTE=Gangles]I could not get a clear statement of how long one gets for the fee, I suspect that once you have blown off the dirty water, she will leave and get back to the bar.[/QUOTE]Correct! Their primary objective is maximize their revenue. The minute you've cum, they'll make a beeline for the shower, change and then [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] off back down to the club (once one of these girls told me she's going home, but I spotted her again later that night in the club and even exchanged greetings). Warning: Take your time cumming. As far as she's concerned, the session ends when you cum, whether that's 5 mins or 2 hours. Don't yield to their pressure to "hurry up".
[QUOTE=Dezstylez]My question is that do they use Dong for a bonk?[/QUOTE]Depends where you are. In the main centres, it's USD; everywhere else it's dong. Basically, if it's higher than 6 figures in dong, they switch to USD.
[QUOTE=J Lover]Depends where you are. In the main centres, it's USD; everywhere else it's dong. Basically, if it's higher than 6 figures in dong, they switch to USD.[/QUOTE]I do agree with J Lover. Anything lower than 100,000 should be in Dong. But most will except dong if you insists. They would rather the money than no money.
I was in the Boss lounge 2 weeks ago with friends. After sitting down, the mamasan brought a row of ladies to us, many were great looking and given me the sign to take them. Looked like they were desperate for business. I took one and during the conversation, she told me she was from Ho Chi Minh and came here to work for only 5 months (which I doubted). She asked me how long I would stay in Hanoi and I answered for few days (in fact the next day I have to fly off). I know if I told her the truth, I would not get a better service from her later, this is a common sense as WL will think it's only one time biz, why should they give good service. She said she could go up to the hotel room. For sort time is USD60 and overnight is USD100. We sat there until the bar closed at 12am, the girl also told me that all bars in hanoi close at 12am nowadays as local authorities set new rules, before that clubs close at 2am.
We settled for a one night and she asked me to go up and she would go there herself. I thought the hotel does not allow girls to stay in the room without registration and pay for the extra bed (if for one night) but it seemed that rules are rules, human would not want to follow. :)
After 15 mins, she came in and told me she only can do short time only. WTF ! My mood was going low, was thinking to ask her go back straight away. Never mind, lastly I decided only for the last time I will took her (by the way, her number is 316). She was giving excuses like she came to work late and not able to park her motorcycle in the hotel and she needed to collect the motorcycle from outside...bla bla bla...and she never agreed to have one night with me when we talked in the bar !
Don't care anymore, just wanted to fuck. After undressed, she got a flappy boobs, she started from top to bottom and I daty her (quite good, no smell), less than 10 mins and capped me. Started with cow girl and ended with missionary. Total time taken less than 20 mins. After finished, she took shower on her own, leaving me behind. I said fxxx again ! Do all ladies here provide same service ? I mean after work we have to clean ourselves ? Before leaving, she promised me tomorrow she will spend a night with me and asked me to look for her again. What do you think gal ? She asked me to tip her USD10, I rejected saying I will give to her tomorrow and wanted to take a photo of her, she rejected.
So, I believe it is a tactic for some of the ladies in Vietnam to give excuse to leave after a short time work. Any members can give more information on this ?
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I tried a couple of places mentioned here.
At the Emperor, at 154 Trieu Viet Vuong I got a good BBBJ/cim. The massage itself was just a formality. I paid 10$ to the house and gave the girl 20$.
To day a tried Bach Mai (around 375 there is a closed hotel next door.) There is a sign saying "Thai massage". I only had dollars with me and they definitely expected vnd.
The young guy at the front door didn’t speak any English, and seemed a bit shady. Anyway the girl was very cute and gave an ok thai massage. She took of her cloth at the end, and was kissing and codling. At this point I expected that she would make an offer for some extra service but she didn’t and put her cloth on. I then showed her 40$, and she said ok (she didn’t spoak any English either). Her name was Ngân. The service was ok an BBBJ and of course the rest was protected. She really was cute – kissing and giving good eye contact.
Leaving the place the guy at the entrance again just showed a bit of attitude arguing about the conversion of dollars to vnd.
I must admit that I am not a big fan of the attitude young Vietnamese have and the way they drive in this scooter infested place. I have seen 2 people getting killed over the last week.
From today they have to wear helmets – and they actually did do this on the first day. Properly because they are afraid of the fine they can get. The helmets they are selling everywhere is of course crap like most of the other stuff you can bye in Hanoi.
This little experience happened all but 10 minutes ago.
Having enjoyed a good meal and a couple of drinks I sat on the step of my hotel to smoke my last cigar. Within 5 minutes a bike with three girls pulls up, two jump off and engage in conversation. I had no intention whatsoever of going off with them but it's always entertaining to talk to them, or so I thought.
The usual conversation follows, "Where you from?" "How long you in Hanoi?" etc. etc.
One girl starts the "You want massage" and starts stroking my legs. The other keeps talking inane bullshit.
Now one thing I have got is shit hot hearing and I heard the slight sound of paper rustling. I looked down at massage girl to see her trying to palm the dollars she'd just taking from my cargo pants side pocket, that was it, didn't feel a thing. I took the cash from her hand and gave some friendly advice in English then exit stage left.
This little experience just about sums up Hanoi, if you're a westerner you're ripe for picking. Everywhere people try to rip you off, even in so called respectable premises. Visit Hanoi for the sights but keep your wits about you and above all NEVER, EVER consider going with a biker girl!
[QUOTE=Kichigai]This little experience just about sums up Hanoi, if you're a westerner you're ripe for picking. Everywhere people try to rip you off, even in so called respectable premises. Visit Hanoi for the sights but keep your wits about you and above all NEVER, EVER consider going with a biker girl![/QUOTE]I fully empathize with you, but I reckon they're not all bad. I did very nice, honest biker when I was there last month and no problems at all. Got her number and everything. BUT, a few minutes earlier I also had a very similar experience to yours. When dealing (or rather, when chatting) with these biker gals, the golden rule I've learned is this: DO NOT allow them to touch you. As soon as anyone starts stroking you, you know your valuables are about to be attacked!
See my report below, in the hookerlooker.biz link, for a very similar story to yours.
[QUOTE=BadBadGuy]So, I believe it is a tactic for some of the ladies in Vietnam to give excuse to leave after a short time work. Any members can give more information on this ?[/QUOTE]The oldest trick in the book. They wanna get out of there ASAP, so they can get back down to the market. The usual reason given is some shit along the lines "oh, I have to see my sick mother/father/..." etc.
For this reason, I never bother with LT. I reckon ST is better for both girl and punter alike. Better for girl, because she can move onto another paying customer. Better for punter, because if you're still hungry, you can go back to downstairs to the meat market and choose another choice cut. Also, if you have business meetings (or even tours) the next day, you might suffer sleep deprivation if you've done LT.
Thanks for sharing those info, since I may go Hanoi again, I will definately take the members advise here. BTW, do you mind to pass the contact to me for the nice girl that you have? How much she charges? Does she speak English? Probably I will be staying in Fortuna hotel again.
Thanks
[QUOTE=J Lover]I fully empathize with you, but I reckon they're not all bad. I did very nice, honest biker when I was there last month and no problems at all. Got her number and everything. BUT, a few minutes earlier I also had a very similar experience to yours. When dealing (or rather, when chatting) with these biker gals, the golden rule I've learned is this: DO NOT allow them to touch you. As soon as anyone starts stroking you, you know your valuables are about to be attacked!
See my report below, in the hookerlooker.biz link, for a very similar story to yours.[/QUOTE]
The last couple of days I stayed in Hanoi. And on one afternoon I was approached by a tout offering my girls for "bum-bum" (many young girls: the staring rate was 1. 000. 000 VND but we agreed on 500. 000 VND) in a place at West Lake. Since it was still afternoon and I was still not finished with my sightseeing, I told him to meet me at 8 pm.
So at 8 pm we met and we took a motorbike taxi to that place (20. 000 VND one way from the old quarter – 10 to 15 minutes).
After we arrived, the manager of that place called the girls out of their rooms and they lined up for me on the second floor and I could choose. My first choice was a cute little one and we went into the room. Still with the tout who was waiting for the money. Since the girl seemed a little bit young I asked him how old she is (the girls speak hardly any English! ) and he asked her and finally he proudly told me that she is 16 and a half years old! Shit, that was much too young and I refused her which the tout couldn’t understand ("very young, good bum-bum") and I chose another one. Again I asked for the age. And this time after some discussions in Vietnamese he came up and said she is 18 years old. Well, I could believe that or not. And since I wanted to have some action I agreed.
After I gave him the money he left (he was asking for extra money for him and I told him afterwards I would give him some).
The sex was ok: BBBJ, DATY, some positions and she allowed me to take photos of her. But without face. But I was feeling not so comfortable and I finished fast and left. Total damage: 500. 000 VND for the manager, 100. 000 VND tip for the girl, 40. 000 VND for the motorbike taxi.
Since I knew the directions now I went there a couple of days later again and found out that there are actually about 6-8 houses like this in that same street within 100 meters. Since I was this time without a tout I could get the girl for 400. 000 VND (maybe still too much. But ok).
Again: BBBJ, DATY, some positions and she allowed me to take photos. This time I was feeling more relaxed and could enjoy it more.
These places seem ok, but of course since prostitution in Vietnam is illegal this is kind of dangerous! So take care guys!
Directions for this place:
Go to West lake, pass by the Sofitel and the Sheraton; as soon as you have passed by the Sheraton, turn left and pass by Sheraton’s second entry. Go on and take the third street to the left (after the Golden resort). Proceed in this street for 300 m, and then the street name changes to:
Ngo 52 Duong To Ngoc Van.
Then you have arrived and will see some men sitting on the street in front of houses (former small hotels? ) and waving you in. And then you just mention bum-bum and settle for the price and choose your girl.
Prices: as I said: it should be around 300. 000 – 400. 000 VND for short time!
Happy mongering!
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Even if with raincoat, I had a nice session at a hot toc not long time ago. It was at a place in bui thi xuan street, side street to ba trieu. Don't remember the number, but start searching from hanoi towers towards hoan kiem, on the right side of the street. Damage 100. 000 to mamasan and 160. 000 to the girl. Very nice and happy girl.
I have seen cat toc’s and massage places in the street addresses below. I haven’t tried any of them yet, but am soon going to. Til then, you are more than welcome to give a report about them. I can not answer for if all of them give extra service. Here they are:
47, 79, 119, 181, 151, 139 Doi Can
7 Tran Nguyen Han and one more on the same street.
96, 68 Nguyen Phong Sac, Cat toc’s with more than just massage, for sure.
157 Xuan Thuy
193 Khuat Duy Thine
116 Nguyen Tuan
17, 39, 168, 144, Nguyen Huy Tuon
221 b, 120, 79, 290, 16, Quan Nhan
3 Lang Ha,Cat toc nam
170 Nguyen Thai hoc
139 Nguyen Khuyen
216 Hang Bong, Cat toc nam
118k Giang Vo, Foot massage, a lot of young girls
39 Pho Vu Thanh, Sakura Club, massage, nice place
54, 56 Ngoc Ha
269, 297b, 381 Kim Ma, massage
437/1 Kim Ma, Cat toc nam
105/c5 Giang Vo, Cat toc nam - for sure hj or bj
119/c8 Giang Vo, Cat toc nam w massage, for sure hj or bj
108/c8, Giang Vo (nui truc), Cat toc nam, for sure hj or bj
96 Tran Duat, Cat toc nam
28 Ngoc Khan, massage
2:84 Ngoc Khan, massage
92, Ngoc Khan, Cat toc nam
146 Giang Vo, Sauna massage
45 Hang Chuoi, Hot toc nam
28 Hang Chuoi - Service health care, massage - a lot of girls
9 Hang Chuoi, Karaoke, saw beutiful looking girls go in there.
Haven't tried any of them myself yet.
Have fun!
Went to a hot toc on Bui Thi Xuan street. The hot toc quite near to Vincom Towers.
Inside perhaps 10 girls between 20 and 35 years old, both for "eating at the table" and for "delivery". I choosed the girl with the biggest tits (hanging a little bit though), Phuong is her name.
Went one stair up to a bed where I dressed off and waited 2 minutes until she came up with the wet towel. She unzipped her bra and let the shirt still be on. The pants she took off everything except for one leg.
Very wet pussy. She asked if I wanted to fuck her but I said no since I hadn't brought any condom. I showed with body language what I wanted.
She started to lick and did good but when she after that started to do HJ instead, I stopped her and pointed my finger at my mouth. She started to blow and it was fantastic. She continued for some minutes before she started to jerk it at the same time as she sucked, then she started to jerk faster but I didn't want to say her to slow it down- it felt to good. I came with a big load (at least it felt like it) in her mouth and she didn't make a sound, she just continued to suck.
After she took some paper, but I don't know if it was to clean her lips or if she actually swallowed.
15 minutes job. 150 to mama and 150 to Phuong.
Everything felt very safe. Nice girl. No fuzzeling with clothes that they try to hang up for you.
Can recommend. 3+ out of 5.
At the head of the lake in Hanoi is a large, 4 story building with restaurants and shops in it, has the logo "legend beer" about 1/2 way up (can't miss it). There is a body massage place there, very nice, $15 for 90 mins, includes sauna, shower and massage. My young lady, age 23, a knockout, and nice body started teasing me from the beginning of the massage. Uh oh, wife was in the next room, had to be quiet. So, for $20 got a great HJ, got to lick and suck, and finger (pussy slightly hairy as I like them). I suspect the full menu was available, but. With wife next door, yikes. Ended with some big french kisses from this lovely hanoi beauty. I suspect all the girls there are "up" for extras.
Have fun, get lots of smiles on the streets from the young ladies, wondered if any of the girls selling postcards on the street would like to make some $. I'm such a pig, but, with wife here. Got to be careful, hehe.
[QUOTE=Geneva Guy]
Have fun, get lots of smiles on the streets from the young ladies, wondered if any of the girls selling postcards on the street would like to make some $. I'm such a pig, but, with wife here. Got to be careful, hehe.[/QUOTE]
The postcard gals in Saigon come across if you are nice so why not in Hanoi. You just need a place to take them.
I haven’t been in Hanoi for awhile but between 2003 and 2007 was there a lot on business and usually stayed at the Sofitel Metropole, Hilton Opera, or the Hanoi Horison hotels. A massage with HJ in these hotels was always available for USD 20. I could usually get the girl to take off her top and fondle her breasts during the massage, but they wouldn’t go for anything more. There is a massage/sauna place on the same street as the Hilton that offers HJ for 200,000 VND, but only tried it once since the place wasn’t that clean.
One night outside the Metropole, I asked one of the cycle drivers where I could get a massage, and he took me to a place where I got a combo BBBJ/HJ from a real beauty (said she was from Saigon) that cost me USD 20 to the mamasan, and 200,000 VND to the girl. It was some distance from the hotel, and I don’t remember the part of town. Afterwards, I went drinking to one of the local beer halls with the driver and we ended up getting drunk together. He spoke English well and I tipped him USD 10. It turned out to be a good investment since he hooked me up with several young women over the next week for ST sessions, and I always paid USD 20 to the girls. I was staying at the Metropole and always brought them in through the bar, and never had any problem. However, they all insisted on ST and would never spend the night.
Another option is to just hang out in front of the Opera and within minutes a girl on a moto will approach you with an offer. Late afternoon, evening seemed to be the best times. They vary in looks, so it pays to be patient. I took (or they snagged me) several this way, and they always took me to a ST hotel somewhere in town (usually across the bridge) where I ended up paying USD 20 for the room and USD 20 for the girl. I’m sure they also got a cut of the room rate, but the services always included BBBJ/CIM and multiple position sex, so I never had any complaints.
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[QUOTE=Archangel8166]usually stayed at the Sofitel Metropole, Hilton Opera, or the Hanoi Horison hotels.[/QUOTE]I think that taking a gal on motor-bike outside those hotels while you were staying there was a big risk. You must have been lucky not to get money lost or something.
You were staying at the best hotels in Hanoi (at that time and even until now) but quite ventured yourself. Please be more cautious!
Dear Dars Vider,
Excellent artical. I will be staying at sofital plaza at the lake. Please let me know how far the place from the Sofital.
Thanks,
Madan
Guys,
Have dutifully RTFF, but found no leads on any outlets close to the Hanoi airport (away from town, so not very promising I guess). I have a 3 hr layover tomorrow, and might as well make some use of it.... Your comments most welcome.
[QUOTE=Drainaps]Guys,
Have dutifully RTFF, but found no leads on any outlets close to the Hanoi airport (away from town, so not very promising I guess). I have a 3 hr layover tomorrow, and might as well make some use of it.... Your comments most welcome.[/QUOTE]
Firstly I doubt if you will get out the airport without a visa. Secondly the airport is about an hour from town.
What you might find is a Hot Toc or Massage place in one of the nearby villages but that is really hit and miss.
Hi,
I am planning to visit Hanoi and need advice from other fellow mongers on the following :-
1. GF Hotels and their rates and whether they can be book online.
2. Where to get pussy for ST and LT.
3. Is the Ho chi minh city a better place in terms of pussy than hanoi and if yes then how long it takes to travel to ho chi minh and the mode of travel available.
I have gone thru some of the reports but I would like to know the pick up joints and whether free lancers can be picked if so and which place.
Would love to hear on these.
Cheers
Fresh Meat
I read through the postings, as I have not been to Vietnam yet... but cannot quite put together the overall best place to stay. Will be with a business partner, that does not punt, so would like to be in a good location, where I can easily get out for some fun..
Can anyone advise from the following, the best hotel in terms of location to some good bars, massage shops, etc...?
I will be there on business, so will stay at a nice place (being it is difficult to get a girl in your room at any hotel)
Hilton?
Sheraton? (from what I see close to the house brothels?),
Sofitel?
Fortuna?
Again, looking for a good location so I could walk to some action... or would like to know if any of the hotels offer "room service" via their sauna..? Or can you have a girl from the Sheraton KTV meet you upstairs? ... etc
Staying in the Fortuna. Booked the room last minute and there was no availability online so had to call. All they had was a premiere room and it was $195 a night. The room itself is nice. Stylish, big plasma tv, jacuzzi tub. The downstairs Boss club is open at least by 1930 and closes at 0000. Unfortunately they have implemented a $30 minimum bill policy. Once you go inside drinks are pretty pricey. $8 for a long island ice tea. Well whatever, you have to spend at least $30 anyway. I don't particularly care for the layout of the place. A bunch of semi circular couches all in a row and facing the stage. Sit down for a bit and eventually some girls will ask if they can sit with you or mamasan will come over. Mama will explain that it is $30 to have a girl come sit with you. At least you can apply the expense to your $30 minimum. If you agree then she calls over about 12 girls in a line and shines a flashlight in their face so you can get a good look while deciding. Quality was pretty good but I wouldn't say they were models. Looks were consistent across the board, all 7 or 8's. Pick your girl and she'll sit down and wrap herself around you. Some light kissing and petting ensue. Not much conversation, unless you count "how long you stay vietnam, where you from?" Want some nooky? Mamasan told me $70 for 2 hours, one shot or $100 all night. I want like 3 hours and 2 pops. Mama says it's up to the girl, money goes direct to her. Girl not willing to negotiate. I say ok to all night but she won't do that either. I say hey, it's getting close to midnight and then you'll have nothing, take it or leave it. She leaves it. I ask mama to round up another herd of girls, making sure they are willing to do all night first. She whips the flock together in no time and another 12 eager faces are getting the flashlight treatment. I pick a girl, do the petting, we agree to go upstairs all night (which equals until 6am) for $100. I write my room number down for the girl. She goes out the back way, and I pay the tab ($63 for drinks and the girl chat). The $30 fee for Mamasan to have a girl sit with you seems to be a one time expense so you don't have to pay multiple if you don't like the first girl.
Long story short. You pay your tab and go up to your room and a few minutes later the girl knocks on the door. You pay the girl in the room, not at the club.
If you're having trouble getting Mamasan's attention, just grab a girl and ask her to bring Mama over or look for the business dressed middle aged ladies that are carrying clipboards and notebooks. There are several Mamasan's working the club at once.
Also I got one of the Mama's phone numbers in case you are staying at a different hotel and would like something sent over. Will answer PM's from senior members only.
[QUOTE=Unirii]Staying in the Fortuna. Booked the room last minute and there was no availability online so had to call. All they had was a premiere room and it was $195 a night. The room itself is nice. Stylish, big plasma tv, jacuzzi tub. The downstairs Boss club is open at least by 1930 and closes at 0000. Unfortunately they have implemented a $30 minimum bill policy. Once you go inside drinks are pretty pricey. $8 for a long island ice tea. Well whatever, you have to spend at least $30 anyway. I don't particularly care for the layout of the place. A bunch of semi circular couches all in a row and facing the stage. Sit down for a bit and eventually some girls will ask if they can sit with you or mamasan will come over. Mama will explain that it is $30 to have a girl come sit with you. At least you can apply the expense to your $30 minimum. If you agree then she calls over about 12 girls in a line and shines a flashlight in their face so you can get a good look while deciding. Quality was pretty good but I wouldn't say they were models. Looks were consistent across the board, all 7 or 8's. Pick your girl and she'll sit down and wrap herself around you. Some light kissing and petting ensue. Not much conversation, unless you count "how long you stay vietnam, where you from?" Want some nooky? Mamasan told me $70 for 2 hours, one shot or $100 all night. I want like 3 hours and 2 pops. Mama says it's up to the girl, money goes direct to her. Girl not willing to negotiate. I say ok to all night but she won't do that either. I say hey, it's getting close to midnight and then you'll have nothing, take it or leave it. She leaves it. I ask mama to round up another herd of girls, making sure they are willing to do all night first. She whips the flock together in no time and another 12 eager faces are getting the flashlight treatment. I pick a girl, do the petting, we agree to go upstairs all night (which equals until 6am) for $100. I write my room number down for the girl. She goes out the back way, and I pay the tab ($63 for drinks and the girl chat). The $30 fee for Mamasan to have a girl sit with you seems to be a one time expense so you don't have to pay multiple if you don't like the first girl.
Long story short. You pay your tab and go up to your room and a few minutes later the girl knocks on the door. You pay the girl in the room, not at the club.
If you're having trouble getting Mamasan's attention, just grab a girl and ask her to bring Mama over or look for the business dressed middle aged ladies that are carrying clipboards and notebooks. There are several Mamasan's working the club at once.
Also I got one of the Mama's phone numbers in case you are staying at a different hotel and would like something sent over. Will answer PM's from senior members only.[/QUOTE]
This is a very encouraging report for Hanoi where availability has been limited. Even so $100 for an allnighter is getting expensive. I am gonna try to link this to the R of D.
I slipped up to Hanoi for a few days for business (usually travel to HCMC only). It seemed funny at first as I could not find any action and ended up asking the taxi driver and guess what, he even said that he was not sure where to go!
I ventured down to the Jazz Club in the Old Quarter and had a few drinks and walked out at about 10:30pm and outside the club was a girl and a guy on a moto. The guy said he would hook me up and I thought wow, finally some action. The girl walked over and told him off and said to me that she could provide me with everything I was looking for. She looked very attractive so I said OK. She first took me back to another bar within 5 minutes walking and said she wanted to have a drink with me first and see a couple of friends so we did just that and her friends were also awesome. We got our drinks very cheap and she told me to let her do the talking when we ordered and she would get them very cheap.
Her English was great and then I found out she was a tour guide that picked up the odd guy now and then when business was slow.
She took me back to her friends place and we were there for a few hours. She was fantastic and had a great smile and was very friendly. She then asked for 60 USD and even asked if that was OK with me!
So I had a great night with an awesome girl. She then said next time I am in town drop by the Jazz Club late and see if she is hanging around the front looking for a male tourist.
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[QUOTE=Mark17]Hilton?
Sheraton? (from what I see close to the house brothels?)
Sofitel?
Fortuna?
Again, looking for a good location so I could walk to some action... or would like to know if any of the hotels offer "room service" via their sauna..? Or can you have a girl from the Sheraton KTV meet you upstairs? ... etc[/QUOTE]Hi Mark,
Hilton, Sheraton & Sofitel are not GF. However, in the day time it is quite easy to get the girls u to your room provided they are dress well not to attract the security guards attention. During night time you cannot take girls to your room.
Seems that Fortuna is the only place you can pick up WG from the BOSS ktv at the basement. You cannot take back girls from other joints to your room.
Sheraton do not have a ktv but there is a pub with lots of FL.
Hope the infos help.
Anyone ever hear of a five dollar handshake? As security approach you and your girl, smile and discretely pass the cat the money. Easy as that. A ton of friends of mine have done it in the past.
If she dresses like a *****, you are shit out of luck.
[QUOTE=Red Claude]
Seems that Fortuna is the only place you can pick up WG from the BOSS ktv at the basement. You cannot take back girls from other joints to your room.
.[/QUOTE]
I am at the Fortuna now. The Boss Bar is asking for 30 US$ entrance fee...even I stay in the hotel...yesterday told them to fuck off.... today my local agent paid and we went in.
Yes, there are pretty gals but all cold like the iceberg hitting the Titanic in a cold winternight. They are world champions in hustling for yor $$$$. Starting fee for foreigner is 100 US$ for a nookie.
I was falling in a trap and agreed on 600.000 for a ST with a smart looking cookie. I left first and she followed me 5 min later by using the staff elevator. Once in the room, cold water was hitting me after she got the money upfront> she kept her panties on...allowed me to suckle her clit but she was just jerking me off. No fuck. For that she was asking for another 600.000...that would be total 75$...for a ST..nada...not worth.
With all that drama and endless negotiation, I just cut the loss short and kicked her out.
In all my years visitng Vietnam, I feel the girls are the hardest negotiators. No feel, no GF style...just do your biz and get off....
[QUOTE=Botaki6]I am at the Fortuna now. The Boss Bar is asking for 30 US$ entrance fee...even I stay in the hotel...yesterday told them to fuck off.... today my local agent paid and we went in.
Yes, there are pretty gals but all cold like the iceberg hitting the Titanic in a cold winternight. They are world champions in hustling for yor $$$$. Starting fee for foreigner is 100 US$ for a nookie.
I was falling in a trap and agreed on 600.000 for a ST with a smart looking cookie. I left first and she followed me 5 min later by using the staff elevator. Once in the room, cold water was hitting me after she got the money upfront> she kept her panties on...allowed me to suckle her clit but she was just jerking me off. No fuck. For that she was asking for another 600.000...that would be total 75$...for a ST..nada...not worth.
With all that drama and endless negotiation, I just cut the loss short and kicked her out.
In all my years visitng Vietnam, I feel the girls are the hardest negotiators. No feel, no GF style...just do your biz and get off....[/QUOTE]
As I have said before here and elsewhere the Vietnam gals in the commercial sex scene are often hard nosed and great hustlers. Especially the ones who make it out of the country. I see it as an inevitable response to the restrictive attitude of the authorities which ensures that supply is limited.
But please do not classify all VN gals that way. They are often very sweet and accommodating. But non WL are very hard to find in Hanoi. A trip to Hai Phong area might be rewarding.
In Saigon non WL are easier to find and new recruits amongst the bar gals can also be found with a less commercial attitude.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz] I see it as an inevitable response to the restrictive attitude of the authorities which ensures that supply is limited.
But please do not classify all VN gals that way. They are often very sweet and accommodating. But non WL are very hard to find in Hanoi. .[/QUOTE]
Even at my vists before, I was dating gals from Vietsingles.com...so called good girls. But still...their mindset is cruxed..money minded...focus on financial security. Yes, I had with that "good girls" some reasonable fucks. But none was that good to keep her for the next visit. Not comparable with any chick from Philippines or Indonesia in regards of GF=feeling.
If you in town for one or 2 night, you dun have time to search. I just wanna straight go to a pub or MP and get the deed done. I can fuck Viet girls more easy in the MP's in Malaysia for 30$ then at any place in Vietnam.
And yes...the reason for being a wasteland is the strong hand of the police. The fews on offer have to make good their big risk. Because once booted, they end up in education camps of the worse
[QUOTE=Dars Veider]The last couple of days I stayed in Hanoi. And on one afternoon I was approached by a tout offering my girls for "bum-bum" (many young girls: the staring rate was 1. 000. 000 VND but we agreed on 500. 000 VND) in a place at West Lake. Since it was still afternoon and I was still not finished with my sightseeing, I told him to meet me at 8 pm.
So at 8 pm we met and we took a motorbike taxi to that place (20. 000 VND one way from the old quarter – 10 to 15 minutes).
After we arrived, the manager of that place called the girls out of their rooms and they lined up for me on the second floor and I could choose. My first choice was a cute little one and we went into the room. Still with the tout who was waiting for the money. Since the girl seemed a little bit young I asked him how old she is (the girls speak hardly any English! ) and he asked her and finally he proudly told me that she is 16 and a half years old! Shit, that was much too young and I refused her which the tout couldn’t understand ("very young, good bum-bum") and I chose another one. Again I asked for the age. And this time after some discussions in Vietnamese he came up and said she is 18 years old. Well, I could believe that or not. And since I wanted to have some action I agreed.
After I gave him the money he left (he was asking for extra money for him and I told him afterwards I would give him some).
The sex was ok: BBBJ, DATY, some positions and she allowed me to take photos of her. But without face. But I was feeling not so comfortable and I finished fast and left. Total damage: 500. 000 VND for the manager, 100. 000 VND tip for the girl, 40. 000 VND for the motorbike taxi.
Since I knew the directions now I went there a couple of days later again and found out that there are actually about 6-8 houses like this in that same street within 100 meters. Since I was this time without a tout I could get the girl for 400. 000 VND (maybe still too much. But ok).
Again: BBBJ, DATY, some positions and she allowed me to take photos. This time I was feeling more relaxed and could enjoy it more.
These places seem ok, but of course since prostitution in Vietnam is illegal this is kind of dangerous! So take care guys!
Directions for this place:
Go to West lake, pass by the Sofitel and the Sheraton; as soon as you have passed by the Sheraton, turn left and pass by Sheraton’s second entry. Go on and take the third street to the left (after the Golden resort). Proceed in this street for 300 m, and then the street name changes to:
Ngo 52 Duong To Ngoc Van.
Then you have arrived and will see some men sitting on the street in front of houses (former small hotels? ) and waving you in. And then you just mention bum-bum and settle for the price and choose your girl.
Prices: as I said: it should be around 300. 000 – 400. 000 VND for short time!
Happy mongering!
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Decided it was "public service time" during a recent short visit to Hanoi.
Since I had rented a bike for the next 24 hours, I proceeded to ride to the location of the Sheraton and followed the directions as closely as I could.
I started to doubt the directions when I could not find the “Golden Resort”.
I went up and down that road just pass the Sheraton’s 2nd entry point twice.
Finally, I decided to do a road count and take the third street after the entrance of the Sheraton while ignoring smaller turn offs and there it was – “Duong To Ngoc Van” road!
Halfway down that road, the men sitting under open umbrellas outside small “hotels” waved away at me as I rode by.
So, HERE ARE THE NEW DIRECTIONS AS CLEAR AS I CAN WRITE THEM:
"Turn off the main road toward the second entrance of the Sheraton (coming from the Sofitel).
Go past that 2nd entrance.
Go past the Fraser's Suite building.
Go past the road where there is a signboard for the Ho Tay Resort.
Take the next turning left (3rd road after 2nd entrance of Sheraton). That is Duong To Ngoc Van Road."
Continuation of this FR,
I did not want to partake as I dislike ST action on premise myself.
I had also checked out "Doson" (near Haiphong) in previous visit and would say that this is similar but perhaps slightly more in terms of costs. There was a similar look to this place for sure.
My objective was to locate the BBS places for other mongers. The result is that I did not determine prices as posted nor check out the quality of the girls. It was also quite early at 2pm and I did not think the best talents would be on show as at that time.
My take is that if a foreigner came without speaking Vietnamese, those mentioned prices would be valid. Going by what was being charged in Doson, my own belief is that prices should be somewhere in the region of 150,00 to 300,000 for ST maximum. Perhaps a Viet speaking monger will be able to verify my “speculation”.
At the end of this road, you have a kind of restaurant and just before that, a modern terrace restaurant called “Phuong Quyen” with a large 2nd floor terrace overlooking the Lake.
My thoughts are that if you are going with a taxi, you should give the name of this restaurant (Phuong Quyen), and the name of the road “Duong To Ngoc Van” and let him take you there and drop off at the restaurant. You will have passed the BBS places when you arrive at the restaurant.
Go to the restaurant to enjoy a beer and the view of the Lake to shake off the taxi driver. (This because I dislike the leeching behaviors of taxi drivers most places and their commission demanding ways!)
After your drink by which time you should be rid of him (hopefully), you walk back to the BBS places and partake of the choices available at the best prices without commission!
If you are riding a bike like me, you would pass the 2nd entrance of the Sheraton, pass the Fraser’s Suite building, the road junction of the Ho Tay Resort and enter the next road which would be “Duong To Ngoc Van”.
My nokia map for Hanoi (as for Ho Chi Minh City) does not have up to date road details unlike the excellent detailed maps for much of the rest of Asia!
Nevertheless, I was able to lock in the location and coordinates for other mongers to use. 21.0691 degrees N and 105.8241 degrees E.
Posted here are some of the relevant pictures to get you there!
Have fun and post your FRs.
[QUOTE=Crazier]Decided it was "public service time" during a recent short visit to Hanoi.[/QUOTE]
Crazier,
Thanks for these unusually accurate directions. It is rare that someone actually provides exact locations and suggestions for navigating. The restaurant way point, for example, is invaluable.
I spent about on hour on the back of a honda-om looking for this place last March and finally gave up.
Welcome, and here I am chatting up the beer promoter who just doesnt want me! This is more exciting & d BBS comes in handy when we fail! Love the wifi all over this town & my wifi phone.
I spent at least 40 mins too today!
Have fun.
C.
2:84 Ngoc Khan, Sauna massage, opposite Lake Side Hotel
60 minutes VND 100,000, clean and cool, with individual showers with each cubicle, girls dressed in uniforms with long pants, soso massage, but touch the right parts (or in close vicinity of) to raise your interest, offered HJ, but asking 300,000, agreed to 200,000, soso HJ, not again...
146 (I think) Giang Vo, Sauna massage, next to exibition center, 4th floor of hotel
60 minutes 90,000, clean and with AC, but showers across the aisle, quite attractive girl, dressed in uniform with shorts, Thai-style massage well executed (fingers snipping, walking on your back etc.) and again with touching near the right parts to raise your interest (and dick, too), at one point my dick was 3/4 erect and waiving under that little towel, asking price for HJ 500,000, totally mad, declined offer, so "medical" massage was continued, not again for sure...
Both places had individual rooms, but with little windows in the door. So by-passers can look inside. HJ means, the girl is watching the door and does it covered, under the towel, of course BJ not possible.
When I was going across town by taxi on late Saturday night, I was amazed about the number of massage parlours with full neon lights on.
Z
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4Xx, Kim Ma, "massage"
Small storefront, less than 20 feet wide, I was hustled inside, pretty girl in shorts, nice smile, from her gesture it was clear they did not even pretend to provide a "medical" massage, offered BJ and HJ
Followed to room upstairs, narrow stairs, children crying, local guys drinking tea, massage roome with about 6 beds, the far one separated by curtain, girl took me to this one, bottled water and disposable wet towels for cleaning, no shower or running water, hot, no AC, just fan, I almost left the place, but was too curious.
I laid on the bed (no fresh sheets.) naked (except for socks), she dropped her shorts a little (hairy.) and started a little bit of body kissing, strocking, kissing and licking dick, no proper BJ, though, finished after some 15 minutes,
Girl was satisfied after I produced 200,000, guy downstairs asked for another 100, 000, I was happy to be close to my hotel with shower.
After this and the previous experience I am quite disappointed by the value for money in this country for certain services. OK in absolute terms it is little money, but get even less in return.
Pricing for room/girl and performance at Fortuna/Boss suggests to better spend the money for a weekend trip to Bangkok.
Z
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No longer update,
Massage Trade Hotel, next to Lakeside, Ngoc Khanh Street, Hanoi.
Ticket 70,000 VDN/hour
Tip 100,000 VND/ HJ
Have good moment at here.
I went yesterday and it was ok. But here is the thing. Last night my balls started itching and they continue to itch this morning. The girl gave them one good lick...so maybe thrush...or crabs.
Can anyone recommend what to do? I'm not familiar with Hanoi or itchy balls. Also, I am taking the train to HCMC tonight.
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As for a report, I was called in by a guy asking if I was looking for boom boom. The street itself wasn't as shady as I expected. There are westerners and legitimate businesses around. The restaurant at the end of the street caters primarily to vietnamese, but is ok with nice view.
So I went in and was offered a selection of 4-5 girls.
Picked one. Mamason requested 500K. I offered 400k, but she was firm.
Performance was lackluster, but no problems or attitude.
After, girl asked for tip. Gave 100k. She wanted more, but I only gave 100k.
Plenty of taxis around down the street, but be wary of taxis with fast meters or slow meandering drivers. I got the latter here. After some attempt at reasoning with the driver, I just got out and without paying walked to my destination.
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[QUOTE=Milkweed]I went yesterday and it was ok. But here is the thing. Last night my balls started itching and they continue to itch this morning. The girl gave them one good lick...so maybe thrush...or crabs.
Can anyone recommend what to do? I'm not familiar with Hanoi or itchy balls. Also, I am taking the train to HCMC tonight.
[/QUOTE]
In HCMC there is an International Medical Clinic on Dong Khoi at the Cathedral end.
Or if you want to self-diagnose go to a pharmacy and ask for amoxycillin - get the 1000 mg ones for some punch. But beware - if you use this stuff too much the bugs become immune to it.
Last night my buddy and I went there to check out the place, several Vietnamese guys covering the front of the place, old and beaten down building.
They started with asking for 100 USD and I said no way, so I scratch on a piece of paper 300,000 VND he counter with 1,000,000 VND, again I laugh at him and we finally settled for 500,000 VND.
My buddy choose a very beautiful Vietnamese girl around 22 to 24 years old but what a disappointment. My buddy said no BJ and the girl started chanting money money even before they started the deed. He said he has never had such poor service in all his life. He pull off his condom and threw it to the floor and got dressed and waited for me downstairs.
Mine was cute but not the knock out that he choose, she gave me a good BBBJ and gave me good service, I gave her 100K VND tip, she asked for 200K VND. As I walked down the stairs I bummed into my buddy's girl and she was chanting at me money money money. I had no idea why she was saying that until I talked to my buddy.
We laughed and said that's the danger when you pick the hot one, they usually get too much business and their pussy's are all dried out and got the big attitude. Next week we go back to China, Shenzhen and Dongguang where you don't get this kinda shit.
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Hi,
I checked out one place near the Sheraton yesterday that has been mentioned here before. It is a few hundred meters to the right of the Sheraton exit. Nice sauna and massage for 200,000, and for a 300,000 tip I could get a covered HJ. That is more expensive than some places in town, where massage and the same service for 100, 000, so 300, 000 total damage. Perhaps there is more competition in the city, or maybe everything is more expensive around West Lake?
Also, I am moving for a couple months to an apartment in Ciputra. It is north of West Lake. Can anyone suggest any places there? I have given up on FS here for the most part, but massage with HJ or ideally BJ is always welcome.
[QUOTE=Jamoe]Last night my buddy and I went there to check out the place, several Vietnamese guys covering the front of the place, old and beaten down building.
They started with asking for 100 USD and I said no way, so I scratch on a piece of paper 300,000 VND he counter with 1,000,000 VND, again I laugh at him and we finally settled for 500,000 VND.
My buddy choose a very beautiful Vietnamese girl around 22 to 24 years old but what a disappointment. My buddy said no BJ and the girl started chanting money money even before they started the deed. He said he has never had such poor service in all his life. He pull off his condom and threw it to the floor and got dressed and waited for me downstairs.
Mine was cute but not the knock out that he choose, she gave me a good BBBJ and gave me good service, I gave her 100K VND tip, she asked for 200K VND. As I walked down the stairs I bummed into my buddy's girl and she was chanting at me money money money. I had no idea why she was saying that until I talked to my buddy.
We laughed and said that's the danger when you pick the hot one, they usually get too much business and their pussy's are all dried out and got the big attitude. [/QUOTE]I had a smilar experience, and may have also got Miss Money Money. She was gorgeous, but all talky talky. Never into it. Would not allow much touching her, etc. She wanted to get the whole thing over, but it was gross in there, hot, and she was laughing or grimacing most of the time. I stopped, had a quick rinse, and left her. She still wanted money money, but only gave her a little, just to shut her up, and I was also a little worried with the 10 or so guys downstairs.
I will never go back.
Frustrated, I went nearby to the Tay Ho Resort for a massage. Took their top package for $20, and got a sauna, steam and wash, then a Thai-style massage, which had a happy ending. So the day was not a complete disaster.
Guys:
I lived in Hanoi for six months about five years ago and though I had a great time while there, I haven't been back since. Now I'm thinking of going again for a week or so, but I'm getting discouraged by what appears to be a scene that's changed radically since I was there. I've read several pages of the back posts, but find no references to Apocalypse Now, which was terrific when I lived there, and was just up the street from my apartment. Has it closed?
I also remember a disco, I think it might have been called Century or perhaps New Century, where I met several extremely good looking, and very expert young women, yet I find no references to this place either. Has it gone the way of history as well?
When I lived in the city, it was never a problem to find girls to stay overnight, but the prices were nowhere near what you guys are quoting and four times more than the base prices here in the Philippines.
Any updates on the two places I mentioned would be appreciated.
Thanks.
GE
[QUOTE=GoodEnough]Guys:
I lived in Hanoi for six months about five years ago....
GE[/QUOTE]
Good Enough:
Unfortunately, the original Hanoi Apocalypse Now closed down and moved to a new, glitzy location several years ago. The new address is
Apocalypse Now
2 Dong Tac
Quan Dong Da
Hanoi
I have only been there once, and it was too early in the evening. No customers had yet arrived so I just had a beer at the bar and left. The new AN is a large, slickly decorated room—none of the sleazy ambiance of the original, tiny, dimly lighted place that we knew and loved.
New Century was closed down after a drug raid a couple of years ago. Hotels like the Hanoi and Fortuna run dance floors and karaoke rooms where girls can be taken out, but the small, intimate clubs of 10 years ago seem to have vanished.
Co Van My, thanks for responding. I guess I'll cross Hanoi off my list of places for my next trip outside the Philippines. If Apocalypse now is new and glitzy, the financial expectations of the girls have probably increased as well. The old place was great. It was about a 1 minutes motorcycle ride from my apartment. So I could leave my place at about 11 pop a young lovely on the back of the bike by 11:30 or midnight and be home and in bed a few minutes later. I never had a hassle bringing back the women, though they did have to leave their IDs at the front desk.
Is there no place else in town with a reasonable selection of freelancers; a place that requires neither bar fines nor ladies drinks?
GE
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Is there no place else in town with a reasonable selection of freelancers; a place that requires neither bar fines nor ladies drinks?
GE[/QUOTE]
I've only been to Hanoi on quick visits during the last couple of years and I have not had time to do a careful recon for good freelancer bars. Seventeen on Tran Hung Dao often has some, and you can sometimes get lucky at Relax Bar, 60 Ly Thuong Kiet, but in general the pickings are very slim.
The city is full of very nasty karaoke places where anything goes, especially out in the area of Nguyen Trai Street, but that's not everyone's cup of tea.
hanoi, saturday.
i managed to keep it in my pants in hanoi for week before i finally threw in the towel and decided that i would treat myself to a sauna and massage. following the advice of geneva guy i decided to take a very short walk from my hotel in the old quarter to the sauna and massage joint above legends beer. upon entering the waiting area i was enthusiastically greeted by a couple of cute hotties. not knowing what to expect i was taken a bit by surprise and i'm sure i had the deer in headlights look. i opted for the 90 minute massage, and i was escorted to one of at least a dozen private rooms. as i was undressing the masseuse came in. i was a bit disappointed that it wasn't the one of the hot young things that greeted me in the lobby. i'm guessing she was pushing 36 to 37 years of age and i'd give her a 6/10 for overall looks. she was dressed in a very tight white t-shirt and short shorts. she escorted me to the sauna and after having sufficiently cleansed my pores we went back to the room. she started a bit slowly sticking to a deep tissue massage but gradually grew bolder by sliding her hands up my legs under my towel to tease my balls. once we both figured out that a hj was on the table for negotiation she went to work with negotiations. unfortunately her english was rather poor albeit better than my vietnamese. she pressed forward and what followed was a very vigorous and efficient hand job. she had tiny hands and it was a turn on for me to watch her double fist my cock as she pumped it like a pro. i tried feeling her up a bit and while she let me grope her ass, she grimaced a bit when i tried to go deeper so i backed off and enjoyed the milking she was giving me. i managed to hold draw it out for all of 10 minutes before i popped. she was a bit shocked and quickly tried to mop up the mess. unfortunately the tip negotiation lacked all tact on her behalf as she attempted to plead with me and hoover every spare dong from my wallet. $20 to the house for the massage and $15 to the hoover. overall 5/10. better than wanking but not by much due to the buzzkill of begging.
i went back to my hotel room and took a "disco nap" before heading out for some beer. once i cleared the cobwebs i went up the street to le pub to scowl at backpackers and after 4 or 5 bia ha noi and four shooters i decided to head over to minh's jazz club to see if the reports of fls were true. at this point it was nearly 11pm and as i walked over to minh's it was remarkable how quiet the streets were. nearly all businesses were closed save for some street food "cafes". some street smiles sent and recieved. clearly some time invested prowling could pay off but not really my style or preference. it was a short five minute walk to minh's and when i got there the place was at about 80% capacity. i manged to belly up to the bar and ordered another beer. i swiveled in my barstool to listen to the jazz and watch the show. within 90 seconds i notice someone park themselves next to me. i look over my shoulder and i see a cute viet girl, all tarted up being escorted by an older, fatter punter. he made, at what seemed at the time, a critical error and went off to the restroom. again i looked over my shoulders and exchanged knwoing smiles with the tart. i struck up what little conversation i could with the girl and whenthe punter return he realized she had changed horses and excused himself for the evening. minh's closed down at 11:30(wtf!) and the tart and i decided to go for another drink. at this point i had over shot my buzz but i said to hell with it and pressed on. within a very short time we broached the critical "your place or mine" question. i knew the type of hotel i was staying in wasn't going to let guests slide so i opted for "her place". her place ended up being a reasonably clean short time hotel. i paid the desk up front and once upstairs she quickly got to business. too quickly for my taste. what ensued was a very hurried hump session using a terribly small condom. after about 10 minutes of humping she hopped off my dick and realized she was getting her period. ugh! wtf! she peeled of the condom and switched to "plan b" which was a very skillful bbbj. unfortunately for me i was entirely put off and i could not finish in the time she had alloted. we both got dressed and stormed out of the hotel. i was too tired and too drunk to argue. plus my "spidey sense" was telling me that it was time to head back to the hotel and find safe harbor. by that time it was 1:30am and i managed to get a xe om back to my hotel for 50,000. terrible terrible experience. i miss thailand.
hue.
i don't have much to say about hue except that the women are definately better looking in hue than hanoi. i spent quite a bit of time chatting up some bar staff in a couple of bars. one doll was kind enough to give me her spare sim card and save me $15. we played some lively and flirtacious games of dominoes before i finally closed my tab. later that same evening as i was leaving bar why not? i was cornered by 4 of the sweetheart waitresses under the pretense of practicing their english. all four had recently started working at the bar and were new students at the local university. it was again clear to me that some investment in time would pay off with the good girls. after my experience in hanoi i didn't explore any massage parlors though one xe om driver was quite eager to show me the "sights" i declined as i was headed to danang the following day.
danang... wednesday
i rolled into danang from hue via a four hour train ride. quite a nice ride actually as the rails snake their way along the coastline. i caught a taxi to the bamboo green and after showering i decided to give the in-room massage services a shot. i was keeping my expectations low as i waited for the girl to come up to my room. after an anxious 5 minuted the doorbell finally rang. i peeped thru the door and low and behold was the girl. i opened the door and greeted her in my towel. she she rolled into the room like a giggling playful tornado. cute face, certainly no dog. smallish tits and one of the most rediculously hot ba-donkadonk asses i've seem in my 2.5 weeks in vietnam. certainly no "teacup thai asscheeks" i've grown accustomed to. she quickly bounced around the room and drew all the shades closed, ripped my towel off and threw me down on the bed. all pretense of a legitimate massage went out the window. she began to knucklecrack nearly every joint in my body and very quickly the cockteasing began. she insisted on a quick shower which didn't bother me as she was very flirtacious and playful bathing us both. back to the bed and nekkid, she freely explored my body and allowed me to explore hers. she was very clear and upfront that there would be "no boom boom". i had low expectations going in so i was not terribly dissapointed. after some heavy petting she got down to a decent bbj and almost immediately assumed the 69 and asked me to daty. i normally don't with strangers but the temptation was too much for me to not flick away at her clit. she was obviously into it and very quickly the juices flowed. much fingering, sucking and stroking for both of us. we spent the entire hour playing and both of us enjoyed climaxes. i am certain that had she not been on the clock that full service would have been rendered.
after we finished she did beg a bit over the tip i gave her but i stood firm. learning my lessons from hanoi i had previously staged my wallet so as to not have more than the 160k massage fee and a 200k tip. after some pleading i pulled an additional 100k and "emptied" my wallet for her down to my "last" dong. she felt bad and gave me my small change back. she asked for my vow of secrecy and before she left we exchanged mobile numbers so we could meet again without the intermediary services of the hotel. overall 8/10. viva danang!
it seems to get better the farther you go south. saigon here i come.
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Hi All,
I've just arrived to Hanoi (living in Daewoo) and looking for some company / guide to have some good night here! Any of you guys just here and/or have some good tips where to go as a first timer here?
BR
Hi there,
I've just arrived to Hanoi and looking for some guideline or a good company where to start the nightlife. Living in the Daewoo for 2 weeks, mostly for business but I do not want to miss the beauties of the country :)
Thanks and Regards,
Fallenangel
[QUOTE=Fallenangel]Hi there,
I've just arrived to Hanoi and looking for some guideline or a good company where to start the nightlife. Living in the Daewoo for 2 weeks, mostly for business but I do not want to miss the beauties of the country :)
Thanks and Regards,
Fallenangel[/QUOTE]
The easiest place to start is the disco/karaoke club located on the hotel grounds. Just go out through the front door of the hotel, turn right and you will be there. The club girls can come to your room. It's expensive (my memory is $100), but it's very convenient and comfortable for a first timer.
[QUOTE=Co Van My]... The club girls can come to your room. It's expensive (my memory is $100), but it's very convenient and comfortable for a first timer.[/QUOTE]
Thanx many much!
I'm new here, but not a real "first timer" around the region, so the 100$ seems a bit much for an hour or so. (OK I spend too much time in Manila :) ) but thanks anyway, I'll try to discover the town.
fallenangel]Thanx many much!...
I understand completely. $100 is too much for anyone who knows his way around town. I misread your experience factor. Try the karaoke places out on Duong Nguyen Trai.
The last couple of days I stayed in Hanoi. Today went to Duong To Ngoc Van. First place I went in the manager (young guy) asked 500K. I said no and went out. The second place we agreed on 400k. 4-5 girls were there I choose one and we went into the room. I asked to change the sheet on the bed and switch on the air conditioner. They changed the sheet and switched on the air conditioner and showed me that I have to pay additional 100k. I said no, give me money back. He said ok-ok and went out the room. My girl went into bathroom and shortly come back and showed me to go to bathroom. It was not very clean and I decided do not use the shower. She switched off the light and showed me to lie down on the bed. She started BBBJ then I was ready soon and asked her to put condom and tried several positions. The sex was ok. Totally I spent: 400. 000 VND for the manager, 5USD tip for the girl, 50. 000 VND for the taxi.
Just spent a couple of days in Hanoi. Paid $220 (tip included) for 2 hrs. This is of course way more than the kinds of prices others are reporting. However, I was very satisfied, because I was on business and couldn't run around town looking for bargains. So this was conveniently through a night club where I had the pick of girls who were 9's and 10's, where the girls could come right up to my room later, and where the girl was GFE, wasn't checking the clock, and didn't have that Saigon attitude problem. Expensive for SE Asia, but still a bargain compared to Tokyo or the US, especially considering the how great VN gals can be if you find the right one.
Dear members,
I am heading to Vietnam in January next year, its my first trip and I have no idea what to expect. I've encountered vietnamese girls in the Sauna's of Macau and they've all been pretty damn awesome. So where to find these beauties? Reading through the reports it seems that it is high and low between the 9's and 10's.
Vietnam is my last country in South East Asia to visit, so based on my previous travel I think I could find some places. But no chance I will find the good places without the help from you guys. I can fly in to Hanoi or HCMC from Bangkok, which city would be the best. Both for girls and climate in January?
Maybe anyone would like to meet up for a drink or two or three and a some help in the jungle?
Thanks!
[QUOTE=Fw190]Just spent a couple of days in Hanoi. Paid $220 (tip included) for 2 hrs. This is of course way more than the kinds of prices others are reporting. However, I was very satisfied, because I was on business and couldn't run around town looking for bargains. So this was conveniently through a night club where I had the pick of girls who were 9's and 10's, where the girls could come right up to my room later, and where the girl was GFE, wasn't checking the clock, and didn't have that Saigon attitude problem. Expensive for SE Asia, but still a bargain compared to Tokyo or the US, especially considering the how great VN gals can be if you find the right one.[/QUOTE]Do you mind sharing which night club?
You did pay way too much, but I understand the convenience factor. I was just some place else, and paid too much for the convenience of a great gal in the hotel. You might have been able to get even that expensive convenience for half of what you paid. Of course, as you can tell, you can get service here for as little as $20-25, but quality of location and looks are not the same, not even close. But for $40-50, you can usually do pretty well in decent places. So you paid a premium for convenience and for having her to your room.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Do you mind sharing which night club?
You did pay way too much, but I understand the convenience factor. I was just some place else, and paid too much for the convenience of a great gal in the hotel. You might have been able to get even that expensive convenience for half of what you paid. Of course, as you can tell, you can get service here for as little as $20-25, but quality of location and looks are not the same, not even close. But for $40-50, you can usually do pretty well in decent places. So you paid a premium for convenience and for having her to your room.[/QUOTE]
If you RTFF you will see Fortuna Hotel mentioned as having a club downstairs and an arrangment for the gals to follow you to your room via the servoice elevator. There is a $30 cover to get in plus drinks etc. and that gals will want at least $100 but they are all lookers.
There are limited places for some civilised action in Hanoi and this tends to push the prices up.
What you get for the $20 -$50 range tends to be pretty rough and ready in terms of facilities and the girl.
Last night I went to small massage parlour somewhere near Kim Ma. I paid 100.000 to the receptionist and a reasonably pretty girl guided me to the room, with individual shower and mini steam sauna, gave me towel and a loose pair of shorts.
The massage was good and competent, with the shorts lowered immediately so she could stroke my butt and back. After only few minutes two other, even prettier girls, one in her massage uniform, one in tight jeans and top, sneaked into the room. I was still lying on my belly, the older one was still doing the “proper” massage, but the two younger ones started to tease me, throwing kisses, licking lips, tickling my back and belly. They urged me to turn around, asked “massage baby”. After some negotiations we agreed to a tip of 300.000 for the three.
The older one reached under the shorts and started the deed, with the other two keeping on with tickling and stroking my other parts, with lots of giggling and laughs which diverted my attention and consequently delayed finalisation. The two in uniform were suggesting I should take the one in jeans to my hotel to make a baby. Communication in English was hardly possible, but gestures were unmistakable. And the second one in uniform supported her senior colleague by tickling my balls. Occasionally they checked the door (which had a small window at eye level) and then hide on the floor, so I assume that this would not have been officially tolerated by the management.
After the deed was completed, I got showered again and dressed, the three asked me out for a coffee. The took me to a small outdoor kiosk nearby (with children’s stools etc.), and we had coffee. We exchanged phone numbers and my hotel’s card, but nothing happened afterwards, so far. They even refused to let me pay the coffee.
It might not have been the ultimate experience in professional paysex, but the girls were giggling all the time and apparently had there share of fun. Frankly, I would have hesitated to actually take her to my family run hotel and possibly the girl had similar reservations, at least after I made clear I would not want to make a baby.
Z
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I'm all done in the Philippines and will be moving on to the next leg of my travels. I'll be arriving in Hanoi tomorrow about 2 PM and plan on staying for 3 or 4 days.
I will be staying at the Hanoi Palace Hotel on Luong Ngoc Quyen Street. I have no idea where it is or what/if it's close to anything.
I would like some guidance or ideas if you don't mind sharing.
If anyone is around and wants to meet for a drink please PM me.
See you soon.
Mike
[QUOTE=Zappp]Last night I went to small massage parlour somewhere near Kim Ma. I paid 100.000 to the receptionist and a reasonably pretty girl guided me to the room, with individual shower and mini steam sauna, gave me towel and a loose pair of shorts.
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Thanks for info.
But its really shame you cannot tell where it was.
Because Kim Ma is very long street.
Near Bus station? Near Daewoo Hotel?
Sorry to say without more specific info re location, it's not much use for anyone really. :(
I am intentionally vague to protect anonymity (the MP’s, the girls’, mine) and not to raise high expectations.
It was not my first visit to that place, and the ones before (some months ago) and one after were not that special (with better massage, though). I myself visited a place with a great report, Emperor at 154 Trieu Viet Vuong and possibly had the same girl, but was disappointed, by the girls' skills and even more by the hygienic circumstances, with only wet towels for cleaning (throwaway, as I hope).
Personally, I go for the massage rather than the mechanical wank. I avoid places facing any main roads, near international hotels or with excessive neon signs. Presumably all places offer "extras", because the temptation for girl (money) and the customer (already exposed naked) are too much. And owners refrain from too actively discourage “extras”. However, quality of "extras" is not consistent more than elsewhere depends on sympathy and mood. This country is conservative and officially prudish. Giggling and laughter to some extend is to manage embarrassment rather genuine fun.
I am friendly with the girls and play good guy. In an ideal case, the girl’s intrinsic female ambition to tease and manipulate the guy should be the driving factor, rather than the higher tip. An exceptional performance or experience is not necessarily repeatable. Enjoy the hunt rather than the prey.
Zappp: That's a very good point that you make. I think a lot of us tend to forget that, as we fall under the spell of a pretty and charming working gal. We forget that she's basically doing a job, and that in reality she and others like her are probably very "unliberated" and conservative in real-life. I say this because of a recent experience I had with a real Saigon beauty....
[QUOTE=Zappp]This country is conservative and officially prudish. Giggling and laughter to some extend is to manage embarrassment rather genuine fun.
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Hanoi Hotel's night club. Caters largely to Asian clientele. About $50 cover charge. $150 to the house to take the gal out. And figure on tipping the Madame and then the gal. Not cheap, but well worth it, in my opinion. Some of us on business trips can't risk the seedy massage parlor, motorbike ride, cheap hotel room, possible LE intervention, etc.
[QUOTE=Explorerman] Do you mind sharing which night club? [/QUOTE]
This really is a tough city to find any action. I've just discovered a massage place across and down the street from my hotel. I asked the 2 night front desk guys about it and they said to try it but I was too tired last night so I passed. Maybe today.
One glimmer of hope though, yesterday I meet a 21 year old collage girl. She helped me get a new SIMM card, we went to a pagoda, had ice cream and just hung out. Today she is going to meet me at my hotel and wants to show me Around Hanoi using the bus. Oh yea, she said she need help. We'll see what come of it.
I haven't given up and I'm going to spend at least another night trying.
Mike
Well it turns out that my little collage girl really did need help. And I was glad to what I could do to help her.
She showed up at my hotel Sunday morning as she promised. Sitting on the bed and one thing led to another and we did the deed. She really got all hot and bothered during the kissing and groping. She enjoyed it as much as I did and she had no restrictions. Total GFE for over 2 hours and she didn’t say a word about money either!
We went out and saw the sights for the day and she was a cheap date too. She had a monthly bus pass so she was free and being a student she got into all the sites we went to free as well. I only had to pay for myself a few buck for lunch. After we were done site seeing for the day we returned to my hotel and had another round.
Before she left I asked her about needing help and if I could help her. She said she could use some money for school so I ask how much she needed and she said 500,000 Dong. Done! And she was happy.
I still don’t know if she does this often or not but my gut feeling is she doesn’t. Just needs/wants money from time to time I think.
But wait until you hear what happened on Monday. I’ll try and post it soon and with photos.
Mike
That's around $30 USD for all day, and GFE. No one wants to pay too much. But paying too little is just as bad. Frankly, you seem rather cheap. Nothing like taking advantage of an amateur....
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy] She said she could use some money for school so I ask how much she needed and she said 500,000 Dong. Done! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fw190]That's around $30 USD for all day, and GFE. No one wants to pay too much. But paying too little is just as bad. Frankly, you seem rather cheap. Nothing like taking advantage of an amateur....[/QUOTE]
I gave her what she ask for and she was happy.
But you have a point, I could have set her down and explained the market to her.
And you are not putting any value to the time I spent teaching/helping her with her English. LOL
To each their own. You pay what you want and I'll pay what I want. OK?
Peace,
Mike
Thuy told me she wanted to get together again on Monday before I left town and she would leave school early to meet me. She said school was from 7 to 11 AM but she would leave at 9 AM and meet me at my hotel around 9:30 AM. The front desk called to tell me I had a visitor and I told them to send her up. When I opened the door I see that Thuy has brought her friend Thien, the same girl that was with her when we first meet. I invite them in and we all set on the bed and talk for a bit. What Thuy tells me next floors me, she then tells me that her friend Thien needs help too. What? Do I understand you right, you want me to have sex with her too? She does and Thien wants to too. I ask Thien if this is true and she said it was, she threw her arms around me and proceeded to give me a big wet kiss. Thuy then said but only once because they want to take me to Bat Trang before I leave and if it’s OK could I give Thien 250,000 Dong. Sure, who am I to argue with them? Neither of us had change so I gave her 300,000.
Thuy left us alone, we took a shower together that was fun and sensual. In bed Thien was even better Thuy! We went at it for over an hour then a quick shower together, we got dressed and joined Thuy down stairs. I checked out of the hotel and then we went to City View Restaurant for lunch. After lunch we went to Bat Trang and we had a blast together.
We took the bus from Bat Trang to the city, got a cab back to my hotel to get my luggage then we went to Sien Café so I could catch the bus to Da Nang. We said good-bye and promised to never forget each other and they were on their way to catch their bus home.
Mike
OMG, I'm really going to get blasted for being cheap this time.
Fair enough. Good luck and happy mongering.
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy] To each their own. You pay what you want and I'll pay what I want. OK? Peace, Mike[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Fw190]That's around $30 USD for all day, and GFE. No one wants to pay too much. But paying too little is just as bad. Frankly, you seem rather cheap. Nothing like taking advantage of an amateur....[/QUOTE]
Let us not forget that the amateurs or freebies play all kind of mind games with themselves to justify to themselves that they are not a 'bad girl' or on the game. This might well include only accepting the money that they need for a specific purpose.
I have had plenty of Viet 'freebies' who were reluctant to accept money the morning after. The whole money thing becomes a game to help them a little but not let them lose face.
I think that RNG has asked the gal what she wanted and provided it to her and that is fair enough!
Hey Mike,
Seems to me that you didn't leave your charm behind in the Philippines...
Kudos to you!!!
Enjoy your trip - I just wish we were back in Angeles City having fun with the local girls again.
Peace,
Fedex
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]Thuy told me she wanted to get together again on Monday before I left town and she would leave school early to meet me. She said school was from 7 to 11 AM but she would leave at 9 AM and meet me at my hotel around 9:30 AM. The front desk called to tell me I had a visitor and I told them to send her up. When I opened the door I see that Thuy has brought her friend Thien, the same girl that was with her when we first meet. I invite them in and we all set on the bed and talk for a bit. What Thuy tells me next floors me, she then tells me that her friend Thien needs help too. What? Do I understand you right, you want me to have sex with her too? She does and Thien wants to too. I ask Thien if this is true and she said it was, she threw her arms around me and proceeded to give me a big wet kiss. Thuy then said but only once because they want to take me to Bat Trang before I leave and if it’s OK could I give Thien 250,000 Dong. Sure, who am I to argue with them? Neither of us had change so I gave her 300,000.
Thuy left us alone, we took a shower together that was fun and sensual. In bed Thien was even better Thuy! We went at it for over an hour then a quick shower together, we got dressed and joined Thuy down stairs. I checked out of the hotel and then we went to City View Restaurant for lunch. After lunch we went to Bat Trang and we had a blast together.
We took the bus from Bat Trang to the city, got a cab back to my hotel to get my luggage then we went to Sien Café so I could catch the bus to Da Nang. We said good-bye and promised to never forget each other and they were on their way to catch their bus home.
Mike
OMG, I'm really going to get blasted for being cheap this time.[/QUOTE]
In the meantime, the girls in my "regular" massage place know that I am not quite into that whack off to completion. I get a good massage plus teasing and giggling, at times with up to three or four girls sneaking into my cubicle, who however defend themselves against being touched at their right spots.
Last night two of them agreed to meet me next morning in my hotel. My interpretation of their gestures was that I would receive a BJ. 10:00 AM sharp as agreed they arrived and reception called my in my room. But the girls stayed outside on their motorbike, gesturing I should folloe them on mine. Eventually, we went to a small restaurant to have breakfast (noodle soup). We finished food (which indeed was consistent with last night's gestures, slurping real noodles rather than little Z) and they went off, telling me they go back to work. In a way they are good girls with clear limits. OK, there was some disappointment on my side, after on night of anticipation, but this was much better than real, but poorly performed and overpaid sex.
I must say that in my small family hotel, there are some very nice girls (married, pregnant or with kid) running the reception during daytime shift. So I was anticipating some embarrasment on my side which however did not materialise, as explained above. On the other hand, on late afternoons, I regularly see luxoury cars parked next to the hotel and at times I see local guys entering the hotel with their young girlsfriends (mistresses). Or the girls arrive separately by taxi. Last night, when I came back late, a young local couple on motorbike (no luggage, likely not married) were looking for a room. So that supposedly "family hotel" has in fact substantial business as short-time hotel.
Z
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Hi Mike,
I'm living in Hanoi so if Ms Thuy is looking for a good guy to help her, I'll be glad to give her my number...please MP
I have been away from HN for quite a long time, but every time i'm back to town, there are 2 addresses would like to visit and recommended to you guy.
1. 33 Thai Phien st - opposite Vincom City Towers.
2. 80 Kim Ma st - near intersection with Giang Van Minh, on the right hand side from Son Tay st, just past the bus station.
Ticket 70K
Tips 100K to 150k depend on how you feel.
What you'll get: BBBJ, cum in mouth possible, depend on ladies.
Most of them between in their 20s. Number for "after hour" is possible at No1, but not No.2, unless you're a long time resident in HN.
There are other places on Mai Hac De st too, but services is not that good as the place i recommended.
P/s: i don't know any place in HN similar to #35,49,51 HBT in HCMC, does anyone know such a place exist in HN? Your input will be appreciated.
Cheers
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]Thuy told me she wanted to get together again on Monday before I left town and she would leave school early to meet me. She said school was from 7 to 11 AM but she would leave at 9 AM and meet me at my hotel around 9:30 AM. The front desk called to tell me I had a visitor and I told them to send her up. When I opened the door I see that Thuy has brought her friend Thien, the same girl that was with her when we first meet. I invite them in and we all set on the bed and talk for a bit. What Thuy tells me next floors me, she then tells me that her friend Thien needs help too. What? Do I understand you right, you want me to have sex with her too? She does and Thien wants to too. I ask Thien if this is true and she said it was, she threw her arms around me and proceeded to give me a big wet kiss. Thuy then said but only once because they want to take me to Bat Trang before I leave and if it’s OK could I give Thien 250,000 Dong. Sure, who am I to argue with them? Neither of us had change so I gave her 300,000.
Thuy left us alone, we took a shower together that was fun and sensual. In bed Thien was even better Thuy! We went at it for over an hour then a quick shower together, we got dressed and joined Thuy down stairs. I checked out of the hotel and then we went to City View Restaurant for lunch. After lunch we went to Bat Trang and we had a blast together.
We took the bus from Bat Trang to the city, got a cab back to my hotel to get my luggage then we went to Sien Café so I could catch the bus to Da Nang. We said good-bye and promised to never forget each other and they were on their way to catch their bus home.
Mike
OMG, I'm really going to get blasted for being cheap this time.[/QUOTE]Hi Mike,
You were a real Hanoi player when you had a good deal (300,000) with Thien and little bit higher with Thuy, anyway you had her all day. Great deal. As I'm not a subcribing member so I wonder how those gals look for that good deal.
This is the follow up to my original post in 'in other areas' of VN.
(1us = 17k dong)
I took Kodanana's advice and checked out the two massage places (congrats for posting actual addresses), and another post recommending 'pick-up' bars.
80 Kim Ma st.. Went inside. Girl downstairs spoke no English. I said massage she pointed outside! So I walked up the stairs uninvited anyway. Small room has 4 beds with curtains but small gaps inbetween. God knows what you can hear when there is more than one customer. Ugly chick appears from side door and I say how much massage. She writes down 300k (it should be 70k). I say No, so she says 200k. I wasn't sure if she meant all-in-price (ticket + tip). But I'm not prepared to pay money on top of ticket price first. You just don't know what you're going to get.
33 Thai Phien St. Found the place. But it says Cafe on the door. If you look inside there is a dim red light on the left hand side with what looks like a staircase but I didn't want to go in to a Cafe and ask for massage (unless I'm sure it is offered). Even the taxi driver outside didn't think so either.
Can someone please clarify this.
Relax Bar (Tran Hung Dao): I didn't see much action here. If it exists, it is probably for long term expats or teachers. Yes, lots of young chicks who look like they could be on the game. But I think most are bar staff as they keep taking drinks to tables. And they normally chat to young Viet guys anyway.
Better option is.
Relax Bar 2 (Quang Trung/Tran Quoc Toan): Same priced drinks but decent band/singer here. Seems to be more sophisticated than the other bar. More money = more chance of working girls. Got a few looks. Groups of girls hanging around a handful of foreign guys. If there are freelancers here I still don't think it is easy.
Lonely Planet. Yes things are getting desperate when I'm resorting to this source!
Hoa Binh Massage: 110k ticket. The LP book quotes this as a legitimate massage. But I went down and it has a seedy look to it. And there's loads of Asian customers. And I know they like a good whacking off. Can someone confirm this.
Discos. New Century and Apocolyspe have closed. Have asked several people and I am told there is no longer any disco/nightclub in Hanoi! Well, whats the point when everybody in the city seems to go to bed at 23:00. This is because they all wake up at 6m. Usually waking you up in the process.
Word of warning. I think the majority of Vietnamese are money grabbing thieves. Everyone is on the play to rid you of your dollars. Receptionists at massage places will inflate the prices of tickets (stand firm on prices you know. And look for the official menu. Sometimes in Vietnamese though). Look out for Xoa Bop and Xong Hoi on signs. If there is no english massage sign this isn't a bad thing. You may get local prices and local service (more than just a massage). Even though I have a motorbike, when I am lost and ask for directions I would say more than half of taxi drivers/moto guys (I ask these people as there is more chance of them knowing an obscure street) want to drive with me there! No, please just fucking point which direction. Anything to get your cash. This is VN.
Anyway, Do Son (check interesting 'In other areas' post) and Haiphong (LP quotes this as seedy. Sounds great) next.
If there is nothing here I'm off back to Chiang Mai, Pattaya and Phnom Penh.where free sex (well, cost of a meal and drinks) is aplenty!
If I missed something in Hanoi can you please post.
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I'll be over in Hanoi on the 10th january for a few days.
Where can I get some delicious Vietnamese pussy without much hassle?
Hi fellows,
I must say that I have had no problem of finding girls in Hanoi.
If you rent a motorbike and then drive around in the city, you will find the places very easy.
I have done hot toc's, moto-girls and brothels and so far I just have one really bad experience. That was when I was robbed during a BJ in the shower. I was a newbie then, and I forgot to lock the door my self.
After that occasion, I just bring out exactly the money I have thought of spending for the night. I leave cell, wallet and other personal belongings at home.
I try to pay after service is performed, but in some cases when the girl is refusing to get paid after service and she is to beautiful to resist, I say to them that I will pay a bonus if I get happy.
If it's a knock out girl, I often return to the girl even if they don't perform as well as I had wished the first time. I give them a bonus of 50 000 dong (peanuts) and decide a second date before we split up. In all the cases this has been the ice-breaker and had made them to totally change their attitude.
MOTO-GIRLS
Start driving at10 pm on the big road near the river, Than Quang Khai, you can't miss all the girls near the road. On Pho Phuc Tan (the parallel street near the big road), you can find both girls standing on the street and also girl-friendly mini-hotels for 100 000 dong per hour. I pay 200-500' for fs, offer depending on looks.
HOT TOC'S
On Nguyen Binh Khiem there is a an excellent hot toc with a lot of great girls to choose between. In the hot toc near the beginning of the street, there is a girl called Phung that gives great BBBJCIM. Great D-tits.
100 ticket+200 for the service. It's also possible to decide fj with her on a mini-hotel for 800. She is well worth the money. Looks 8 of 10 on my looks scale, attitude 10. I will upload photo of her later on, I forgot my usb.
BROTHELS
Many brothels north of the Tay Ho-lake. Other members have written about them before. I think they are on Duong Loc Long Quan street, if not that one, it's a parallel street. Just to choose a brothel, you will notice where to knock on the door when you are there.
Happy hunting!
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The fantastic tits of Phung. She has a nice face too but i promised her.
[QUOTE=Tjhooker]
Lonely Planet. Yes things are getting desperate when I'm resorting to this source!
Hoa Binh Massage: 110k ticket. The LP book quotes this as a legitimate massage. But I went down and it has a seedy look to it. And there's loads of Asian customers. And I know they like a good whacking off. Can someone confirm this.
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If your source is the LP guide books, then most likely the place is legit. Remember that alot of Asians from various countries (both men and women) do go to MP's for legit massages only, for some it's in their culture. Although I may be able to confirm late this year when I'm there (VN) for 1st time and if I'm actually able to find this place.
(do you have the address with possible cross sts?) or perhaps someone on ISG been there and can post.
PT
[QUOTE=Sir Bang]BROTHELS
Many brothels north of the Tay Ho-lake. Other members have written about them before. I think they are on Duong Loc Long Quan street, if not that one, it's a parallel street. Just to choose a brothel, you will notice where to knock on the door when you are there.
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Read back over 18months on this thread and found some mention of these brothels but have anyone gone there recently and got updated prices for these places? Like to get good info so I could have a starting point for neg. without getting ripped off or driving up the prices for others.
Last mentions, the prices varied widely ;anywhere from 150k-500k, so not sure what is the correct figures are.
PT
Any advice on whether I should rent a motobike while in Hanoi or just use taxi/buses etc. to get around.
1) what are the requirements for motobike rental, such as needing an Intl. drivers license? or will a regular driver license at home do?
2)prices for bike rental.
3)places to rent motobike from?
4)any safety precautions such as traffic and such as bike theft?--I rented in Cambodia and theft of bikes were rampant even with bike locks.
Thanks
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Read back over 18months on this thread and found some mention of these brothels but have anyone gone there recently and got updated prices for these places? Like to get good info so I could have a starting point for neg. without getting ripped off or driving up the prices for others.
Last mentions, the prices varied widely ;anywhere from 150k-500k, so not sure what is the correct figures are.
PT[/QUOTE]Just pop in any hotel (love hotel) alongside the To Ngoc Van road (parallel road of Dang Thai Mai rd which is the road to TayHo hotel). Just ask the waiter for a FS (use finger signal if he doesnt speak English), then all you have to do is wait in the room and choose your favourite chick from around 5 nominations showcase at the corridor. The price is 200K (VN Dong) for local and around 300-350K for foreigner if my memory battery is ok.
Hope that helps.
Thanks Hanoisimpleman,
updated prices are always helpful for me so I know where to start my negotiations and when to walk out.
PT
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Any advice on whether I should rent a motobike while in Hanoi or just use taxi/buses etc. to get around.
1) what are the requirements for motobike rental, such as needing an Intl. drivers license? or will a regular driver license at home do?
2)prices for bike rental.
3)places to rent motobike from?
4)any safety precautions such as traffic and such as bike theft?--I rented in Cambodia and theft of bikes were rampant even with bike locks.
Thanks
PT[/QUOTE]Phantomtiger2!
I prefer the former (rent a motorbike) coz as you appear as white man here, some taxi drivers (even meter ones) are tend to rip you off. Drive a motorbike here is not tough as you thought. Just ask the hotel's staff or find the rental place in the Old quarter. Regarding the bike theft, just rent the cheap and old one (Honda 50-100cc).
[QUOTE=Hanoisimpleman]Phantomtiger2!
, just rent the cheap and old one (Honda 50-100cc).[/QUOTE]
Thanks pal,
Yeah, tried this in Cambodia also but problem was these old, tired bikes were always dying out, also power sucked.
Could never get into the flow of traffic from a dead start as no acceleration at all. Ladies walking with babies were passing me by--ha ha
But thanks for the advice though.
PT
Brothels are north of the Tay Ho-lake on Duong Loc Long Quan and adjacent streets. This area has quite a few expats and well to do tourists so price seems to be up to 400,000 dong. I had to pay before service but the girl did come thru with a fine performance. Big room and bed with shower.
Note: I agree with TJhooker report on Hanoi Viets in general. Watch your back.
I will be a first time visitor to Hanoi in May and wanted to know of a good, clean, girl-friendly hotel in the Old Quarter for approx US$15-30, close to knock shop, barber shops etc. Any info much appreciated!
Hello Folks,
I was on a business trip to Hanoi during the time mentioned. I looked for some fun in the evening hours and became very dissapointed.
I stayed in the Sofitel Metropol (there are two of them, the other is the Plaza). The Hotel is nice, but a little expensive in my opinion. Girls are not allowed (didn't tryed it yet, but I was told so)
The Massage Parlors around the cathedral (near Hoa Kiem Lake) offering a good massage, but thats all. Prices are around USD 9,.- for 90 min.
I walked many miles to see some karaoke or other places to "hide", but they all was closed during my stay.
So I looked for the "Motorbike-Gilrs". I just walked the streets between the Opera and the Hilton (Near to Sofitel) and tryed to figure out what happen.
Soon a Girl stopped (First look: 5 out of 10) and asked for 20 USD in a Hotel nearby. OK, lets go. As we reached, she undressed me and laid my trousers and shirts near the bed. While she was riding me (with condom ofc) she somehow managed it to slip her hands into my jeans on the bed and stole my pocket money. (About USD 40,.-) She only left some dollars for me to come back with a taxi. Greedy little biXXX. But astonishing skilful in pikcpocketing. Nvm, I learn from mistakes.
The other day I did the same route, walking around Opera/Sofitel/Hilton and Tran quang Khai and tryed two more girks. (Still 5 out of 10 and no nice fuck) I enconterd that VND 300. 000 are enough for blowing and banging in the warm bed Hotels (very dirty places indeed) and so I only bring that amount with me. This time they beging for more money but I didn't had and the girls brought me back to the Sofitel after the job was done.
I will return in mid-April, maybe somebody can give me some informations about nice places or telephonenumbers of good looking girls in Hanoi (here or with PM).
Bob
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I'll be staying at the Melia for a week next month. Can anyone give names & addresses of MPs withing walking distance? Or best bets beyond walking distance.
[QUOTE=Cheapy]Brothels are north of the Tay Ho-lake on Duong Loc Long Quan and adjacent streets. This area has quite a few expats and well to do tourists so price seems to be up to 400,000 dong. I had to pay before service but the girl did come thru with a fine performance. Big room and bed with shower.
Note: I agree with TJhooker report on Hanoi Viets in general. Watch your back.[/QUOTE]I know Loc Long Quan in Hanoi reasonably well - the big development called Ciputra is on it. But never saw anything that looked like a brothel on or near that road. What do they look like? What should we look out for?
I know the places near the Sheraton in Hanoi - such as the guesthouses on To Ngoc Van with the guys calling you in from the street but have never seen anything like that on Loc Long Quan.
[quote=haiphong]now, let us all pray for justice. u.k. thailand, cambodia, vietnam. next stop, hopefully, hell!
gary glitter held over child sex allegations
john aglionby, south-east asia correspondent
monday november 21, 2005
guardian
vietnamese police yesterday questioned the shamed rock star gary glitter for a second day over allegations he had sex with **** girls, following his detention on saturday at ho chi minh airport as he tried to flee to thailand.
glitter, 61, whose real name is paul francis gadd, is being held in the resort city of vung tau, where he has lived since march. he allegedly committed "obscene acts with a minor". detectives confirmed that the singer, who served two months in prison in britain in 1999 after being convicted of paedophilia, is still being held but declined to comment on whether he would be prosecuted.
the authorities decided to hold gadd after questioning a 15-year-old girl they found living in his home last week. the former singer had already fled by then, reportedly with a 14-year-old girl who described him as her husband.
the foreign office confirmed that a briton was being detained in vang tau, 50 miles from ho chi minh, but declined to identify the person. if prosecuted for consensual sex with a minor, gadd could face 12 years in prison.
child protection experts say vietnam is becoming increasingly popular with foreign paedophiles because neither the authorities nor the public have much experience of them.
"it's very easy for children to be exploited because society doesn't know a lot about sex tourism and so doesn't have the vigilance," said le hong loan, unicef's chief child protection expert in vietnam. the police also lacked expertise, she said. "they're not prepared to deal with the issue. they're also very cautious about dealing with foreigners."
paedophiles are moving away from traditional haunts such as pattaya in thailand and phnom penh in cambodia because of greater awareness there, according to christine beddoe of ecpat, a group campaigning to end child prostitution.
gadd was detained in cambodia in 2002 but was never prosecuted. he was forced to leave after an aggressive campaign by women's rights groups[/quote]
[url]http://www.nowpublic.com/world/gary-glitters-teenage-conquests-scrap-over-which-one-will-marry-him[/url]
[QUOTE=Simian]I know Loc Long Quan in Hanoi reasonably well - the big development called Ciputra is on it. But never saw anything that looked like a brothel on or near that road. What do they look like? What should we look out for?
I know the places near the Sheraton in Hanoi - such as the guesthouses on To Ngoc Van with the guys calling you in from the street but have never seen anything like that on Loc Long Quan.[/QUOTE]Can you give us a little more info on the Loc Long Quan scene in Hanoi. My question about recognizing the brothels there was a genuine one.
[QUOTE=Simian]I know Loc Long Quan in Hanoi reasonably well - the big development called Ciputra is on it. But never saw anything that looked like a brothel on or near that road. What do they look like? What should we look out for?
I know the places near the Sheraton in Hanoi - such as the guesthouses on To Ngoc Van with the guys calling you in from the street but have never seen anything like that on Loc Long Quan.[/QUOTE]I think To Ngoc Van str (name of Vietnamese famous painter) is the right place. Price for full service now is up to 350K - 400K Vietnam VND. There is nothing on Lac Long Quan, pal.
Anyone fuck a girl out of 17 Saloon? I did the assistant manager last November. I walked in from Relax bar to have a beer. The place was crouded and there was no place to sit at the bar. I was about to return to relax when she grabbed me a found a place for me to sit. For this I bought her a drink and she picked up my mobile and called herself. Then she left, the drink came, and I waited.After 10min I picked up my phonr and textd her WTF? She texed back she was busy so I texed back and called her a B***h. I left and went back to Relax but she kept sms'ing me all night. At about 1:00am she called me and asked where I was. We met at my hotel ($50 surcharge) and she stayed the night. She told me the reason she called is that most westeners don't stand up to her and was supprised I did.
I went back right before Tet to visit. She talked for a while but was sitting with teo Viets and 4 bottles of JW blue. It's thier holiday so let that hane thier fun.
Anyone bank these Relax girls? They are about the stupidest bar girls known to man. I was in relax when this viet dude had them drinking shots till they passed out and puked on themselves. She would never talk to me after because i laughed at her and would never give her "lucky money"
[QUOTE=Simian]I know Loc Long Quan in Hanoi reasonably well - the big development called Ciputra is on it. But never saw anything that looked like a brothel on or near that road. What do they look like? What should we look out for?
I know the places near the Sheraton in Hanoi - such as the guesthouses on To Ngoc Van with the guys calling you in from the street but have never seen anything like that on Loc Long Quan.[/QUOTE]Here ia a girl I pulled from a little massage place on 51 To Ngoc Van . They have a wooden sign on the sidewalk in front of the little alley. I checked her ID she is 18.
[QUOTE=Fornic8]Here ia a girl I pulled from a little massage place on 51 To Ngoc Van . They have a wooden sign on the sidewalk in front of the little alley. I checked her ID she is 18.[/QUOTE]Excellent Pull Fornic8 and great pic, after I brightened it could see that tiny cutie with her chubby-cheeked face.
More please, I would like to know details, price, deal, activities, actions, quality, all details! And more pics of course.
JD
[QUOTE=Cheapy]Brothels are north of the Tay Ho-lake on Duong Loc Long Quan and adjacent streets. This area has quite a few expats and well to do tourists so price seems to be up to 400, 000 dong. I had to pay before service but the girl did come thru with a fine performance. Big room and bed with shower.
Note: I agree with TJhooker report on Hanoi Viets in general. Watch your back.[/QUOTE]It sounds like we are dismissing this report? I too drive by the Duong Loc Long Quan area regularly and have never seen anything there. But there are side streets and alleys off of it.
This is the street where they are building the Ciputra mall soon opposite, right?
I know about the places on To Ngoc Van. Usually not clean enough for my liking. I'd rather just get a massage and HJ in a clean place, than FS in someplace where I am not sure who else has been there multiple times before me on the same sheets.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]It sounds like we are dismissing this report? I too drive by the Duong Loc Long Quan area regularly and have never seen anything there. But there are side streets and alleys off of it.
This is the street where they are building the Ciputra mall soon opposite, right?
I know about the places on To Ngoc Van. Usually not clean enough for my liking. I'd rather just get a massage and HJ in a clean place, than FS in someplace where I am not sure who else has been there multiple times before me on the same sheets.[/QUOTE]I am not positive but I think Cheapy may have the directions wrong, the brothels are not far from there but are on the other side of the lake, up near the Sheraton. I don't know of any places on LAC LONG QUAN, but around To Ngoc Van and that area they are obvious to anyone. Again, I am not sure, but don't know of any on LLQ and never heard of any there.
Johndao,
Thanks for the compliment, especially from a man of your stature in ISG. I was walking down 51 and all the touts from the hotels were trying to get me to "have a look" when I saw the sign on the sidewalk with the word massage in english. I went down the alley and in to find mamasan and two girls. This one was way to cute. Mamasan said 500, 000, whick I know is double, and I said OK. Got her in the room and we pushed the two massage beds together. The tables were just the right height for her to lay back and get fucked. She might be the perfect girl; tighest pussy I ever had and not a word of english. I fucked her about an hour with no complaints.
I left and was looking for a taxi when she can out to the street to talk to some of the tout boys. I had to have it again so I went over to talk to her. There was an expat resturant across the street with a big red sign and I looked over to see some patrons check me out talking to a really young looking 18 yo. We went back to the MP and this tims I gave mamasan 200, 000 for another round. I spent the next two hours fucking, ass fucking, throat fucking, and finished with an ass to mouth shot. Mamasan kicked me out at midnight.
I went back during TET but it was closed for the holiday. When I first fucked her she couldn't have been in P4P for more than a week. If she is still in the business she cannot be the same as when I abused her.
Sorry, no nore pictures, just some dark video that I cannot share.
[QUOTE=Johndao]Excellent Pull Fornic8 and great pic, after I brightened it could see that tiny cutie with her chubby-cheeked face.
More please, I would like to know details, price, deal, activities, actions, quality, all details! And more pics of course.
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John, I stayed at the Sheraton awhile back and could find nothing nearby. I don't remember the names of the streets but I walked everywhere. Even as far as the overhead train. I managed one sleasy massage place at the top of the little hill just outside the hotel and it was horrid. The girl gave a bad massage and no extras. I did see one place further down on the main road but it look quite sordid with questionable characters lurking outside.
This January I was staying at the Hilton Opera house during TETand had a flight out of town Wednesday morning. I checked out and went out front to get a taxi. Shit, no taxis. First time I have ever seen that. The bell boy goes down the street and flags down a Hanoi Taxi. As it gets closer I notice a girl driving. I hop in the front seat, tell her the airport, and off we go. I an flirting with her a bit and reach over and rub her ear. At the first red light she leans over and gives me a DFK. I don't know what to do, I got a plane to catch in 2 hours and a hard-on. She is driving, I am rubbing het titties when no cars are beside us, and she says "want to go Boom-Boom? As soon as we cross the long bridge she pulls over at a hotel and says wait here. She goes inside and comes out 5min later with room keys and looks up the taxi. We get in the room and both strip. She is about 30 with a tattoo on her back. Probally a retired BG. I don't have much time so I just fuck her for 20min and we leave. Bank in the taxi I realize my flight departs in 1 hour but my taxi girl will only drive 40klms. I don't want to yell at her since I just fucked but she is making me late for my flight. We get to the airport and I pay her 500,000 for the ST and taxi fare. I then run inside to find the ticket counter closed. Went to the airline office and got rescheduled for the evening flight and cought a different taxi back to the Hilton. Told them what happened and they let me keep my room for the afternoon. I told the doorman to call and get the same taxi for 4 hours before my flight took off. When she arrived she was really suprised to see me. I told her I wanted her again so I changed my flight. We stapped at the same ST hotel and this time we has two hours of BBBJ, DITY, Mish, and CG. I gave her another 500, 000 at the airport.
If you need a ride to the airport, she was Hanoi Taxi #43.
[QUOTE=Fornic8]This January I was staying at the Hilton Opera house during TETand had a flight out of town Wednesday morning. I checked out and went out front to get a taxi. Shit, no taxis. First time I have ever seen that. The bell boy goes down the street and flags down a Hanoi Taxi. As it gets closer I notice a girl driving. I hop in the front seat, tell her the airport, and off we go. I an flirting with her a bit and reach over and rub her ear. At the first red light she leans over and gives me a DFK. I don't know what to do, I got a plane to catch in 2 hours and a hard-on. She is driving, I am rubbing het titties when no cars are beside us, and she says "want to go Boom-Boom? As soon as we cross the long bridge she pulls over at a hotel and says wait here. She goes inside and comes out 5min later with room keys and looks up the taxi. We get in the room and both strip. She is about 30 with a tattoo on her back. Probally a retired BG. I don't have much time so I just fuck her for 20min and we leave. Bank in the taxi I realize my flight departs in 1 hour but my taxi girl will only drive 40klms. I don't want to yell at her since I just fucked but she is making me late for my flight. We get to the airport and I pay her 500,000 for the ST and taxi fare. I then run inside to find the ticket counter closed. Went to the airline office and got rescheduled for the evening flight and cought a different taxi back to the Hilton. Told them what happened and they let me keep my room for the afternoon. I told the doorman to call and get the same taxi for 4 hours before my flight took off. When she arrived she was really suprised to see me. I told her I wanted her again so I changed my flight. We stapped at the same ST hotel and this time we has two hours of BBBJ, DITY, Mish, and CG. I gave her another 500, 000 at the airport.
If you need a ride to the airport, she was Hanoi Taxi #43.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the great story and info!
[QUOTE=Johndao]I am not positive but I think Cheapy may have the directions wrong, the brothels are not far from there but are on the other side of the lake, up near the Sheraton. I don't know of any places on LAC LONG QUAN, but around To Ngoc Van and that area they are obvious to anyone. Again, I am not sure, but don't know of any on LLQ and never heard of any there.[/QUOTE]Hey Johndao,
Yes, I went by that area over the weekend, and drove back to where the ferris wheel etc are, and still see nothing. I assume he meant the well known area up from the Sheraton (two streets up, to the left for the unknowing.).
Dragonfly
There is a MP about 300 meters to the right of the little road that is the Sheraton entrance, on the side road next to the main road. It may be what you saw, as there tends to be people outside. Never had a problem with them. Sauna etc inside is fine. It is purely massage plus, though if you are nice to the reception people, they may offer you something more for a ST, off-site.
[QUOTE=Fornic8]Johndao,
Thanks for the compliment, especially from a man of your stature in ISG. I was walking down 51 and all the touts from the hotels were trying to get me to "have a look" when I saw the sign on the sidewalk with the word massage in english. I went down the alley and in to find mamasan and two girls. This one was way to cute. Mamasan said 500, 000, whick I know is double, and I said OK. Got her in the room and we pushed the two massage beds together. The tables were just the right height for her to lay back and get fucked. She might be the perfect girl; tighest pussy I ever had and not a word of english. I fucked her about an hour with no complaints.
I left and was looking for a taxi when she can out to the street to talk to some of the tout boys. I had to have it again so I went over to talk to her. There was an expat resturant across the street with a big red sign and I looked over to see some patrons check me out talking to a really young looking 18 yo. We went back to the MP and this tims I gave mamasan 200, 000 for another round. I spent the next two hours fucking, ass fucking, throat fucking, and finished with an ass to mouth shot. Mamasan kicked me out at midnight.
I went back during TET but it was closed for the holiday. When I first fucked her she couldn't have been in P4P for more than a week. If she is still in the business she cannot be the same as when I abused her.
Sorry, no more pictures, just some dark video that I cannot share.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the story and the details Fornic, it got me hot!
Of course you can post parts of the video, I do it all the time. First you need to get vidcaps of the best frames and save them. Then brighten them up a bit and post them as .jpg files. If your face is is any of them, it's easy to blur it in vidcaps. See my recent many, many vidcaps of Nguyet, made as vidcaps. Vidcaps give some of the best shots, the best images. I for one would love to see more of that tiny cutie from 51.
JD
Brothers of the prowl,
I wanted to share with you a recent excellent experience at the Fortuna hotel. I was staying there around a month ago (and as it happens aware of the draw of the Boss Niteclub in the basement) but coincidentaly one of the people I was there to meet on business had arranged our evening meal to take place in the Japanese eatery on the second floor there.
I was running a little bit late and when I arrived I was first slightly puzzled, but then secretly thrilled to see that each of the guests at the table was sitting with an empty seat in between each of them.
Of course I played it coy right up until the moment when the first drinks arrived, followed by a mamasan and around 40 girls.
"I thought we shoud improve the view", says my host. It was relatively early (7pm) so I think we were seeing the cream of the crop. All above 7 with quite a few 9's and possibly the odd 10. To be honest it was a little hard to remeber. I was experiencing sensory overload! The girls just kept just pouring through the door until the entire circumference of the room was packed with them.
Just time for a quick "good evening boss" in unison before the host says "you have first pick".
"shit" I honestly didn't know were to start. "who speaks english" says I. Good thinking. Narrow the field, buy time.
Hands went up and then my usual KTV dilema. Maybe its just my luck but each time I choose the most vampish looking girl (big tits best body) she always seems to be the worst experience due to a poor attitude. I am sure there are also some good rational arguments why this should be but anyway. Not tonight I think, so I passed over a few absolute goddesses and chose #169 who just had a certain look about her.
Lyn (or lin? ) from Cambodia. Anyway guys, the real thrust of this post is SEEK HER OUT if you ever get to the fortuna.
She was a blast, lots of fun, liked to drink and talk. I know she is paid to do it but so were some of the other girls chosen who could hardly keep the false smile on their faces for more than a few seconds.
Needless to say number #169 accompanied me to my room for an overnighter. I won't bore you with every detail but the key KPI's were as follows.
face 8
body 8
gfe 10
attitude 10
4 pops during the night
DFK
Deep throat/great blow job
Did a good job of convincing me she was enjoying it (rubbed herself furiously when getting banged from behind) but then teh icing on the cake... during one session I dared to slip a finger in the old rusty bayonet wound and she responded by bucking on my finger. 'Ah' thinks I. A few seconds later I was balls deep in the batty passage (missonary style) and while I pumped the starfish lin rubbed her bean like an olympic bean flicker. What a sight.
A Mongering Jewel.
Had a another go in the morning.
it is $100 for an overnighter there and I ended up giving her another $40 simply because she was one of the best at her trade I have ever encountered and I believe she should be encouraged to continue delivering that level of service. So yes Brothers, that $40 was for you to.
Only issue with the whole night - forgot to get her mobile number so if one of you gets to her before I do again please get her number and pass it on to me.
Like I said Lin #169...a mongering Jewel!
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Mean
Only had 1 night in Hanoi and as my potential freebies were going to be too much hard work and probably not lead anywhere (as I have a habit of meeting nice girls rather than naughty girls), with the limited time I had, I decided once again I would have to pay a bit more for some local assistance.
I had some places in mind from the forum and could have just taken taxis there, but I met a young guy near the big roundabout at the old quarter who spoke excellent English so I told him I wanted him to show me around for a few hours and help smooth things along.
He told me of the various options from massage with limited choices, through to the very expensive clubs. Now before we left we agreed on his fee of 150K for "a few hours" and I would just pay for taxis. He told me to expect prices of 500K to 1M depending on where we went. I knew it was inflated, but what to do ?
We first headed out to Vung St, taxi fare was around 70K from the old quarter, but the traffic on Sat night meant the journey was quite long at around 40mins. Took a stroll along the street and was welcomed into most places to view the goods. Most were average but I did see one knockout and made a mental note of the shop. After walking around for 20 or 30 mins I decided the knockout was the only sensible choice, so headed back to the shop. Of course she was taken by now, so the boss said come back in 20 mins. Another lap up and down and still nothing could compare to her, so went back and luckily she was now free.
Now for the price negotations. 680K !! Extortion, but I had no bargaining power so reluctantly paid out the cash. The girl leads me to the back room and as we eneter I realise it's not an individual room, but once again the room with massage tables each divided by a thin curtain that goes 3/4 of the way to the ceiling. She takes me to the last cubicle in the dark room and, the vinyl table is still littered with hand towels and remnants of prior customers.
I look at the gorgeous girl in front of me, see her innocent but sexy look, think too much about the situation and a wave of depression sweeps over me. What the hell am I doing in this hell hole of a place, I'm not a Vietnamese factory worker. I tell her I'm sorry and that I can't do it, so leave and explain the situation to my guide. I had figured my 680K was gone, but to my surprise I got it back (well minus 80K for causing trouble). I tell him it's a disgusting place and I can't do it unless I have my own room. We then scour the nearby knock shops looking for a room. Up and down the narrow stairs we go into all the nearby brothels but they are all setup the same way. In a few shops as I go up to the 3rd of 4th floor I pass by Viet guys getting serviced and as the partitions have no roof you can see straight in to all the action, but of course I tried not to look :-). In the end no room can be found and just wanted to get out of there.
Back in a taxi and heading out of that slum and I really just want to go home. My guide (Lin) suggests we try a more classy place guaranteed to have separate rooms. I have no idea where we went, but it was a long trip (seemed to be on the same road towards the airport). Eventually we arrive and go into a nice looking multi storey house with the Viet mafia sitting around on the bikes outside. My interest is severely waned by this point and they show me 4 or 5 girls that didn't do it for me.
Outside we go and straight into the next house. Similar setup, I ended up choosing a 24yo who gave off a positive vibe in the intro. Price had increased by now to 880K, but once again I was a captive customer so had to agree.
Half decent room with shower and bed and so we start our business transaction. Body is ok and things start off well, until I ask for BJ. She refuses and says it costs more. BANG ! I totally lose it and just start getting dressed willing to walk away and get the hell back to my hotel. She wonders what is wrong and I try to tell her I'm sick of being ripped off. She doesn't comprehend until I start my ABBA interpretation and break into "Money, Money, Money". I was almost dressed when she said, ok she wont ask for money. By this time I'm not in the mood and should have just walked. But since I had already invested into this stock, now wasn't the time to sell out. I laid back on the bed expecting her to start with BJ, but once again she said BJ is extra. Ok, ok... 100K just start sucking will you.
Pathetic BJ so decided she was ripe for some half decent fucking, but my mind was elsewhere and it was struggle to do anything with her.
Cleaned up and stormed out of the place, get me outa here please. Of course, but not until you have paid the cleaning fee of 150K !! No fuking way !! Lot's of carrying on and my guide comes in and pays it. I was pissed and told him off, don't pay it, they already ripped me, plus had to tip the girl etc.
Very heated argument ensued but I was in the middle of god knows where and it was around 11pm surrounded by dodgy characters. Back in the taxi and my blood is boiling, what a totally crap experience.
Lin starts talking about how's it normal to pay this and that and that I paid the same price as local etc. I screamed at him "Shut the fuck up" or you won't be getting paid. He then started about how he has worked for 3 hours for nothing as he paid the cleaning fee for me etc. Eventually back to the lake and I hand him my wallet, here you go, take it all !! Take the credit card, take all the cash, take my phone, take it all !! By that time my wallet was basically empty of VND and had around $10 is various foreign currencies. He handed it back and said he was honest and I didn't get ripped out etc. I gave hime all the foreign currency and sulked home alone through the darkened streets of Hanoi thinking even a date with a "nice girl" and no action would have been a better choice after all.
The next day I left Vietnam, astounded that for a very experience monger like me, it was so difficult to enjoy the punt here. If you are here longer term it should be easy to meet some nice local girls without all the hassles of P4P here.
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Mate!
Good report, pity about the outcomes.
Thanks for sharing.
Mash
Asian Lover Oz,
I completely understand your frustration. I've been going through the same sort of problems with hot tocs and massage places in HCMC and Nha Trang. I just keep feeling cheated and fed bullshit the whole time, so I keep walking out of sessions before they are finished.
Before I visited Vietnam I kept hearing about how skilled the local women were, and that seemed to be true. I kept thinking that Vietnam would be BJ heaven. But now that I'm here I just have nonstop disappointments. Why should I pay a Vietnamese lady extra for a totally crappy experience? The rooms are filthy, the service is usually horrible, and the language barrier is a big problem.
Perhaps if I spoke fluent Vietnamese these obstacles could be overcome. I'd be willing to pay more for good service at my hotel. But I'm not willing to pay for half assed service in a dirty cubicle.
On a side note, does anyone know how to say the Vietnamese word for "cum"? How do I say "No cum, no pay"?
Bartchamdo
Hi guys, at the end of May I will find myself in Hanoi for a week, on business, I have read the past 8 pages looking for hotel pointers, but found no real serious indicators.
What I want is a hotel that is girl friendly, that if possible even has girls in the bar on site, as I think each night I will be busy till quite late so need to quickly find a suitable girl for the night, and fast.
So you more experienced visitors please give me some pointers for hotels and what to aim for, and I promiss to return the favour if any of you find yourself in Ukraine...
Thanks
Q
Has anyone stayed at the Daewoo hotel recently?
If yes, can you take a girl from the Daewoo hotel club back to your room?
It used to be no problem, until some time ago when a new GM came in.
If things have changed, thanks to let me know.
Do you recall her name?
Hanoi Taxi #43 is operated by a male driver, so perhaps it was a different number?
[QUOTE=Fornic8]This January I was staying at the Hilton Opera house during TETand had a flight out of town Wednesday morning. I checked out and went out front to get a taxi. Shit, no taxis. First time I have ever seen that. The bell boy goes down the street and flags down a Hanoi Taxi. As it gets closer I notice a girl driving. I hop in the front seat, tell her the airport, and off we go. I an flirting with her a bit and reach over and rub her ear. At the first red light she leans over and gives me a DFK. I don't know what to do, I got a plane to catch in 2 hours and a hard-on. She is driving, I am rubbing het titties when no cars are beside us, and she says "want to go Boom-Boom? As soon as we cross the long bridge she pulls over at a hotel and says wait here. She goes inside and comes out 5min later with room keys and looks up the taxi. We get in the room and both strip. She is about 30 with a tattoo on her back. Probally a retired BG. I don't have much time so I just fuck her for 20min and we leave. Bank in the taxi I realize my flight departs in 1 hour but my taxi girl will only drive 40klms. I don't want to yell at her since I just fucked but she is making me late for my flight. We get to the airport and I pay her 500,000 for the ST and taxi fare. I then run inside to find the ticket counter closed. Went to the airline office and got rescheduled for the evening flight and cought a different taxi back to the Hilton. Told them what happened and they let me keep my room for the afternoon. I told the doorman to call and get the same taxi for 4 hours before my flight took off. When she arrived she was really suprised to see me. I told her I wanted her again so I changed my flight. We stapped at the same ST hotel and this time we has two hours of BBBJ, DITY, Mish, and CG. I gave her another 500, 000 at the airport.
If you need a ride to the airport, she was Hanoi Taxi #43.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Vachon]Do you recall her name?
Hanoi Taxi #43 is operated by a male driver, so perhaps it was a different number?[/QUOTE]I think Hanoi Taxi #43 was operated by this woman just at the time Fornic met her and then was operated by another driver on another shift, a male.
[QUOTE=Qjump]Hi guys, at the end of May I will find myself in Hanoi for a week, on business, I have read the past 8 pages looking for hotel pointers, but found no real serious indicators.
What I want is a hotel that is girl friendly, that if possible even has girls in the bar on site, as I think each night I will be busy till quite late so need to quickly find a suitable girl for the night, and fast.
So you more experienced visitors please give me some pointers for hotels and what to aim for, and I promiss to return the favour if any of you find yourself in Ukraine...
Thanks
Q[/QUOTE]
Fortuna Hotel. Go to the "search this thread" button on the upper right corner, and you will get lots of info if you put in that name.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Fortuna Hotel. Go to the "search this thread" button on the upper right corner, and you will get lots of info if you put in that name.[/QUOTE]
Thanks..... is that the only one?
[QUOTE=Vachon]Do you recall her name?
Hanoi Taxi #43 is operated by a male driver, so perhaps it was a different number?[/QUOTE]Pretty sure it was #43; a sedan and not one of the minivans.
Remember this was during TET so the regular driver probally took time off. She drove slow as hell and made me miss my flight so she might not be a regular taxi driver.
Hanoi taxis usually have a home base so a lot of them stage at the Hilton Opera. Stop by and ask the doorman if he knows her. Hell, he probally remembers me; the crazy foriegner that took two taxis with same driver to the airport on the same day.
If you do get a girl taxi, ask her if she has a tattoo on her back. She was about 30, cute, with dyed brown/blond hair.
On another note, reading a lot of roports here about mongers dumping a lot of bucks here for a bad experience. Try 17 Saloon or Relax (now at the Relax 2 site) for a girl who is used to dealing with foriegners.
[QUOTE=Johndao]I think Hanoi Taxi #43 was operated by this woman just at the time Fornic met her and then was operated by another driver on another shift, a male.[/QUOTE]
Good point!
That was a morning shift, I believe, and until late afternoon....
Hey,
I just checked the MP opposite the HILTON. 3 to 4 Girls present. Mamasan not very kind. Massage for 10 US/60 Min. Not good performed, no possibility to convince the Lady on a BJ or Fuck. So I choosed the HJ, which wasnt good either. Tipped her 10 US for such bad work and the begging begun. I went out and never in again.
Relax Bar is closed for construction works, this evening I will check 17 Saloon.
Motobike Girls still around Opera, some good looking, but I let them pass.
Update will follow.
All the Relax girls are at the Relax 2 bar. This one is bigger and nicer.
[QUOTE=Bobdee3003]Hey,
I just checked the MP opposite the HILTON. 3 to 4 Girls present. Mamasan not very kind. Massage for 10 US/60 Min. Not good performed, no possibility to convince the Lady on a BJ or Fuck. So I choosed the HJ, which wasnt good either. Tipped her 10 US for such bad work and the begging begun. I went out and never in again.
Relax Bar is closed for construction works, this evening I will check 17 Saloon.
Motobike Girls still around Opera, some good looking, but I let them pass.
Update will follow.[/QUOTE]
I tried to find the cat toc where the famous Phung works. I went to Nguyen Binh Khiem and saw several places that looked like possibilities. I went into 15 Nguyen Binh Khiem, which is right next door to a cafe, and asked about Phung. Was told she no longer works there. Wasn't sure if I had the wrong place, or perhaps she was just off for the day. Is 15 the correct street number?
Hey,
was to 17 Saloon. Many good looking Girls there, really good music. No action or freelancers encountered.
Picked up a Motobike Girl and managed to bring her to my room in the HILTON. Was a little hectic, due to the fact, that she has to give her ID to the reception and I has to sign for, but no problem afterwards. Nice shower and fucking.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Bobdee3003]Hey,
I just checked the MP opposite the HILTON. 3 to 4 Girls present. Mamasan not very kind. Massage for 10 US/60 Min. Not good performed, no possibility to convince the Lady on a BJ or Fuck. So I choosed the HJ, which wasnt good either. Tipped her 10 US for such bad work and the begging begun. I went out and never in again.
Relax Bar is closed for construction works, this evening I will check 17 Saloon.
Motobike Girls still around Opera, some good looking, but I let them pass.
Update will follow.[/QUOTE]$10 or about 180,000 Dong is a fabulously high tip for what you call 'such bad work' on a handjob. Even for a good massage and handjob that would be 80,000 Dong too much. Now the girl has learned the following: Give a bad massage, give a bad handjob, get a very high tip. Actually she probably did not learn it at this time, but merely had her experience reinforced; minimal service for maximum pay. No wonder so many people complain of their awful experiences in VN.
@JD
Yeah, could be too much, but its hard to walk away without giving anything and the 5US I wanted to give she refuses and called mamasan. But next time I try to resist ;-)
Update on Hanoi-Taxi (HILTON):
I drove with Taxi Nr. 46, which was droven by a Girl named Thé. She looked nice. Unfortunatly I didnt had time to ask her about "extra service", maybe this was the Girl from Taxi Nr. 43 before.
Cheers!
@Fornic8:
Where is Relax 2? I asked at my hotel front desk - they sent the taxi driver to Relax (which is, as noted earlier, closed)
[QUOTE=Jane Ganeman]@Fornic8:
Where is Relax 2? I asked at my hotel front desk - they sent the taxi driver to Relax (which is, as noted earlier, closed)[/QUOTE]It is on Quang Trung Street (not sure about the spelling); you cross Ly Truong Kiet and Trang Hung Dao, walking against the traffic. Why you would want to go there for mongering reasons beats me - even the old Relax bar was just a bunch of ladies who, if you bought them regular drinks, would sit sulking with you for a while.
[QUOTE=Simian]It is on Quang Trung Street (not sure about the spelling); you cross Ly Truong Kiet and Trang Hung Dao, walking against the traffic. Why you would want to go there for mongering reasons beats me - even the old Relax bar was just a bunch of ladies who, if you bought them regular drinks, would sit sulking with you for a while.[/QUOTE]Oh OK - I was just interested in something perhaps a bit more interesting than the Fortuna scene. Fortuna is a bit mercenary, I think.
I was looking for something more of a bar atmosphere.
[QUOTE=Jane Ganeman]Oh OK - I was just interested in something perhaps a bit more interesting than the Fortuna scene. Fortuna is a bit mercenary, I think.
I was looking for something more of a bar atmosphere.[/QUOTE]Sorry to disappoint you but there is really nothing like the bar with girls scene in Hanoi that you find in various forms in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia. There used to be a freelancer scene in the Titanic (the boat on the river that is now called Solace) and the old New Century disco but both are long gone.
I have heard that the bar that used to be called the Phuc Tan bar, later known as the Barracuda (beside the Red River), was reopening and there was a freelancer scene there but have not seen it myself. I also think that there may be something to be found at the new disco that is opening up beside Solace but again have not seen it (I have not been to Hanoi for over 6 months). But I would not be getting my hopes up about either of these two places. The actions of the authorities means that mongering is either a brothel activity (sometimes with a massage parlour or hairdressor cover) or some controlled scene like Fortuna with a little intermittant street activity. The idea is to keep it out of sight. The tastes of the locals is not for such open activity either. They prefer to be hidden away in a brothel or a karaoke. And the girls go where they are least likely to he harrassed by the authorities. So very few bar girls that will really interact with you and go home with you too.
[QUOTE=Simian]Sorry to disappoint you but there is really nothing like the bar with girls scene in Hanoi that you find in various forms in Thailand, Laos and Cambodia. There used to be a freelancer scene in the Titanic (the boat on the river that is now called Solace) and the old New Century disco but both are long gone.
I have heard that the bar that used to be called the Phuc Tan bar, later known as the Barracuda (beside the Red River), was reopening and there was a freelancer scene there but have not seen it myself. I also think that there may be something to be found at the new disco that is opening up beside Solace but again have not seen it (I have not been to Hanoi for over 6 months). But I would not be getting my hopes up about either of these two places. The actions of the authorities means that mongering is either a brothel activity (sometimes with a massage parlour or hairdressor cover) or some controlled scene like Fortuna with a little intermittant street activity. The idea is to keep it out of sight. The tastes of the locals is not for such open activity either. They prefer to be hidden away in a brothel or a karaoke. And the girls go where they are least likely to he harrassed by the authorities. So very few bar girls that will really interact with you and go home with you too.[/QUOTE]Yes, Simian has got it quite right, VN one of the worst places in Asia for the above activities. Freelancers not allowed, because, well, who gets money from that? The girls! That's not the idea here in VN where the idea is the girl gets the least and last money. That's why the only good freelancers are deep under cover, by call, by appointment only.
There seems to be lots of disappointed people writing about their massage experiences.
Maybe its best just to stick with Hoa Binh.
I can confirm that you do get HJ at Hoa Binh hotel (well my girl did). On my earlier post (a few months ago) I had only looked inside, but since then i have tried it out.
I also rubbed her pussy, saying that without that your arm is gonna fall off cos it will take me forever to come. I get away with this trick most places.
Another tip is only have 80 or 100,000 in your pocket. So late in the massage when she starts to get closer to your meat and 2 veg, and suggests something extra you can say - well this is all i've got. Everytime for me the Viet girls have gone ahead. If they don't I might still tip up to 50k for a good massage - but they don't know that so they usually jack me off - in Vung Tau and other cities you can get away with extra for 50k but I dont think theyll accept that in Hanoi.
The golden rule to avoid disapointment when you go to any massage place is DO NOT pay at the desk unless you have walked into the back/upstaairs and checked out the room AND I also now ask to see the girl who i will get - or if the chicks are sat in reception at least make eye contact with one so its clear who you want.
If you dont do this you may end up getting:
1) A room with several beds with curtain dividers or sometimes not seperation.
2) A recliner massage chair rather than a flat bed.
3) The oldest ugliest chick in VN
Also, I normally go for the cheap massage place (50 - 80,000 VND) so that if nothing extra is offered or her massage sucks you don't feel so cheated.
Like some other previous posters, I have a habit of walking out after 10 mins if she wants to do a dirty deed after only a few mins. or she doesn't know what she's doing (you will know because she just starts slapping you) - this happens a lot in Cambodia but the Viets are usually better.
I have yet to find these low prices in Hanoi but they must exist a bit further out of the city centre where rents are lower. Please advise.
Oh, and I went past 33 Thai Phien St. (mentioned in previous posts) the other day and there were 3 good looking massage type chicks sat at the 'cafe bar' so I'm gonna check this out soon.
I tried to post my third and final report on VN a few months ago. But I got timed out and lost the lot. I was very unhappy about that. Is there still a 30 min. Limit? I think it needs changing.
Anyway I called the post The Golden (fluffy) Triangle and it covered Halong/Cat Ba. Haiphong. Hanoi. There was lots of fun to be had out there at much better prices. Its only a couple of hours away on the coach.
And if you go back to an earlier post you will find a place with FS for 150, 000 with beauties. I don't want to say too much because it will Get ruined by foreigners. I have never seen one there and have been several times.
[QUOTE=Tjhooker]I tried to post my third and final report on VN a few months ago. But I got timed out and lost the lot. I was very unhappy about that. Is there still a 30 min. Limit? I think it needs changing.[/QUOTE][blue]Hi Tjhooker,
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Steet walkers / Motobike girls Hanoi :
This scene certainly does exist. There were up to 20 gorgeous chicks around 10 -11 pm the other night.
How to find it:
From the traveller/tourist ghetto (just north of Hoan kiem lake) you need to head east for a hundred yards or so, to the main North-South dual-highway. Do not go onto the elevated main highway, there is a road that runs beside it, and you need to go South.
Keep going for about 2 or 3 kms and look out on the left (across the highway) for the Valentine Hotel with red neon writing and a heart - best seen at night obviously. As you approach this there is a petrol station on the left hand side. Across from that is where all the girls stay. Also the adjacent road has moto girls dotted along it (it is a one way road, so you travel the other way first and then turn around to get onto it). There is also a small grassed park area with some girls there who will call out to you.
I had already had a massage so wasn't that interested - I was just checking out places. One girl drove up beside me. She said 40 bucks I said no, so she said how much can you pay?
This means she will take 20 maybe even 15 (most Viets double prices of everything).
I don't know if this was ST or LT price - but i'd guess ST.
Warning - lots of the girls looked only a day over 18 years (if that). I don't know if there is police/bribe set ups going on in VN, but with these girls I could imagine it happening when a tourist/foreigner is involved. You will never get one of these girls back to a normal hotel.
For expats - no problem back to own place.
For tourists - I can only suggest prebooking into a crappy and seedy hotel - there are some across from this area and giving reception a tip to keep them happy. Then get the girl. Thats gonna cost you about 10 bucks on top.
The girl I chatted to said we could go to a short time hotel she knew but that smelt like trouble to me.
She said she had no ID (meaning could be an age issue and also no come-back if she robs you).
If you do this in a taxi I recommend approaching on the adjacent street, pulling over and let the taxi driver do the talking (making it clear to him 15 - 20 max so he doesnt get a cut too). I would also try to avoid standing out looking like a foriegner - there are lots of local guys hanging around too (police, pimps?? not sure) so you wouldn't want to draw attention.
Massage - new place - From the hooker hang out turn LEFT across the main highway. Then go South on the lane which is right next to the highway (can go both directions on this lane). Soon you get to So 7-A12 Dam Trau tel. 049845006 (but no english spoken). 80,000VND upfront fee for 1 hour (he wanted 100 but i pointed to price on the sign and said NO). I asked to see the room (and hopefully the girls at same time) but guy said No. I took a chance and paid. Room is OK and private (well - the usual partial see through glass door). Girl comes in room - about a 6 - bit fat but OK. I go for shower come and come out, she takes off towel and starts drying me off all over which was nice. However, she couldn't massage - too much slapping and her long nails annoyed me. She also said after 5 mins HJ or boom - boom. This was too fast for me so I said just continue the massage/torture! Well, after an unsatisfying massage (but with lots of fondling) she asks me for HJ. I say how much. She types 10 usd in phone and I say 5 (90,000). She's not happy so I start getting dressed. She caves in and i get the 90,000 price (works everytime). Due to the fact she's not a looker and i'm pissed about the massage it isn't really working for me so I start to fondle her too. But for some reason she panicks and stops me so I end up finishing myself off.
On the way out I realise that when you look up from the reception desk you can see the chicks. There were 4 and they weren't much better than the lady I had. But another day there maybe different chicks.
Travelling back up the lane I had a bike of 3 girls stop beside me, one looked like the mamasan - quoted 600,000VND though. There seems to be action on this lane too.
Massage - 33 Thai Phien St. - right across from Vincom towers (walk out of Vincom and its the road on the left)
Went to this 'cafe' for a beer. Boss / mamasan said massage? I say how much. She says 200,000, so i just finish my beer. Girls look OK and dress provocatively to lure in people from the street.
Solace - at long last I found the place. Taxi drivers will know it, but if you want to find it yourself you drive south on the same road as before from Hoan Kiem. Look out for a large 20-30 storey building on the left under construction (it has blue protective film on all the windows at the moment). When you get to it turn LEFT and go across the main highway and you will be on choung doung do street. Go straight down this lane until you get to the river. At 9 pm there was no one there but maybe it gets better later.
Other massage places - I would be interested to know more 50-80,000 VND massage places - with some decent chicks. At this price they will be out of the centre but thats OK for me.
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i get the impression that this (hanoi) site is frequented only by tourists and wealthy viet kieus, who only post about top end massage places. so i continue to trawl the less beaten parts of hanoi
[i note that i keep reading of very cheap fs to be found in hcmc off street/moto girls for 150, 000. and i would have thought hanoi must be cheaper or the same price? but yet to find such action]
i found a street with lots of massage places and probably brothels too, in what seems a seedy location. massages could be found for 80, 000. i went to one place. excellent massage. no hj offered but i didn't ask. i think the girl knew i wasn't happy that the lights in the corridor were turned off towards the end and the other girls and male staff were peeking in, which annoyed me. however, i got my phone out to try and explain i am coming tomorrow for the 90 min, 110, 000 vnd massage and she plugged her number into my phone. so i'll see what happens there. pity i don't know the lingo because i'd really like a massage in my own place off this gal. sauna time seems to be included in massage time, so you could skip that. i spotted two other girls as i left, and they were beauties too.
address is pho vung or pho voung st (maybe this has already been posted before. not sure).
directions: from train station on le duan street head south, you have to go past the dusty road works. go up over the elevated road which then comes back down. a further 1-2 km, look out for the large wide building on the left hand side. you need to turn left across the highway and go north a little bit. its the second or third street on right. it is not a sharp right, rather a fork off the main road. as soon as you come off le duan st, the places are on both sides of the street.
i'd estimate the place is 5 kms south of train station.
any other 70,000. 80,000 places anyone knows of? i keep asking but no response! maybe even 50k. which is what i pay in vung tau.
[quote=tjhooker]i get the impression that this (hanoi) site is frequented only by tourists and wealthy viet kieus, who only post about top end massage places. so i continue to trawl the less beaten parts of hanoi
[i note that i keep reading of very cheap fs to be found in hcmc off street/moto girls for 150, 000. and i would have thought hanoi must be cheaper or the same price? but yet to find such action]
i found a street with lots of massage places and probably brothels too, in what seems a seedy location. massages could be found for 80, 000. i went to one place. excellent massage. no hj offered but i didn't ask. i think the girl knew i wasn't happy that the lights in the corridor were turned off towards the end and the other girls and male staff were peeking in, which annoyed me. however, i got my phone out to try and explain i am coming tomorrow for the 90 min, 110, 000 vnd massage and she plugged her number into my phone. so i'll see what happens there. pity i don't know the lingo because i'd really like a massage in my own place off this gal. sauna time seems to be included in massage time, so you could skip that. i spotted two other girls as i left, and they were beauties too.
address is pho vung or pho voung st (maybe this has already been posted before. not sure).
directions: from train station on le duan street head south, you have to go past the dusty road works. go up over the elevated road which then comes back down. a further 1-2 km, look out for the large wide building on the left hand side. you need to turn left across the highway and go north a little bit. its the second or third street on right. it is not a sharp right, rather a fork off the main road. as soon as you come off le duan st, the places are on both sides of the street.
i'd estimate the place is 5 kms south of train station.
any other 70,000. 80,000 places anyone knows of? i keep asking but no response! maybe even 50k. which is what i pay in vung tau.[/quote]the name of that street is "phố vọng", it's near at giải phóng road. pm me if you need local sex guider ;-)
I just wanted to correct my previous post. There is nothing more annoying than poor or incorrect directions. I like to give directions from a starting place everyone knows (maybe there are maps of Hanoi, but without an index, finding a street is like trying to find a bald pussy in this city! )
Address is Pho Vung or Pho Voung St (maybe this has already been posted before. Not sure).
Directions: from train station on le Duan street head south, you have to go past the dusty road works. Go up over the elevated road which then comes back down. A further (500 M), look out for the large wide building on the left hand side (AGRIBANK). You need to turn left across the highway and go north a little bit. Its the (FIRST ST) on the right. It is not a sharp right, rather a fork off the main road. As soon as you come off le Duan St, the places are on both sides of the street.
I went there again and had the best massage experience EVER. OK, she wasnt great at the actual massage but she made up by teasing, cuddling, giggling and the final half hour was both of us sat opposite each other on the massage bed, feeling each other up including lots of baby oil and her fingers going somewhere I am not used to! Her panties/shorts came to one side very easily (usually its a nightmare in these places) and we rubbed each other off. She wasn't shy about me looking either.
She didn't speak a word of English which meant I avoided the price of extras issue. I just kept smiling and she probably kept going because she liked me, or, she expected a foreigner to pay big money. Anyway, on the way out I gave her 120, 000 (more than the usual 100, 000 maximum I pay, but she was worth every dong). She grumbled a little. How much do these girls get off locals?
I mean, I paid 230, 000 altogether for the 90 min massage plus tip and for 150, 000 across at DS I can get FS of a stunner.
(would advise 60 min at 80, 000 is enough) Interesting previous post from the local 'sex guide'. I don't mean to be rude but what would you expect for your services (by the way I don't swing both ways! ), because I've never been offered something for nothing by a Viet. If you know of places with cheaper massages / motogirls / mongering or 'freebie' pick-up locations, etc. Then why don't you just share it here with us?
There is only one nightclub for westerners**. Solace. It's on a boat so is not affected by the early closing 'laws'.
Very little or no chance to meet a freebie/working girl. Girls come here with their boyfriends or in impenitrable groups. I saw one guy send a couple of drinks to a single girl across the bar only for her Vietnam BF to walk in later. After exchanged words between them (probably her telling the bf she could make a bit of money here) he dragged her out. Yes, I'm pretty sure BFs pimp there girls around here. Just go to DS to see it happening.
The one other place that stays open late is Lighthouse bar. If you can find the place. Viets might know it as Phun Tac bar. Down the same road as Solace but turn left before the river. The only times I went here there was no one else! Perhaps it starts getting going after 1/2 am?
**I say westerners, because in all major Vietnam cities you also find these high class bars with fancy interior decor and prices to go with it. You soon know when you've walked into these places because you will have a swarm of waiters / waitresses asking you for your order and probably bringing you a plate of fruit too. I avoid these, and if any freelancer can afford the prices then it means you are not in for a cheap lay.
Old quarter bars shut anytime from 10.30pm until 1pm depending on number of customers. They should close around 11pm I think, and I have seen police patrols coming in the bars.
Better to try your luck in HCMC/Nha Trang.
I wouldn't say freelancers in bars are any better or cleaner than motogirls/massage girls so check out earlier posts on how to find action.
[QUOTE=Tjhooker]There is only one nightclub for westerners**. Solace. It's on a boat so is not affected by the early closing 'laws'.
Very little or no chance to meet a freebie/working girl. Girls come here with their boyfriends or in impenitrable groups. I saw one guy send a couple of drinks to a single girl across the bar only for her Vietnam BF to walk in later. After exchanged words between them (probably her telling the bf she could make a bit of money here) he dragged her out. Yes, I'm pretty sure BFs pimp there girls around here. Just go to DS to see it happening.[/QUOTE]
You're probably referring to Red River club (Song Hong) that has a couple of pool tables. I didn't see any working girls there last time I was there.
In Hanoi, for a foreigner to find a working girl, I would suggest you talk to the night security guy or motorbike/taxi guy to lend you some help. I have been offered by a taxi driver, but I turned it down. It's a lot cheaper than the fancy club girls.
I thought my experiences of Hanoi may be of help to like minded guys. I am currently working in Hanoi so am fortunate in having my own apartment which does help.
When I first arrived in Hanoi choice seemed to be thin on the ground but with a little planning things soon looked up. My first success was when a women in her thirties helped me with the menu in a local restaurant we got talking and arranged to meet for dinner the following evening. She was from the south, married and on a course in Hanoi, on the third meeting she agreed to come back to my place to watch TV nothing happened on that first occasion but after that things soon took off. However always wanting to increase my experience I decided a little more in depth research.
My first port of call was a web site called Date In Asia (free) where I managed to hook up with another married woman who wanted to experience western cock. She told me that she had never enjoyed sex with her husband and had heard that western men had bigger cocks so she thought she would like to give it a try, she had the sweetest and tightest pussy I have ever experienced and fucked like crazy. My second hit was a 34 year old unmarried journalist working for six months in Hanoi, initially she was a little shy but after three visits to my house she agreed to stay the night. She has the most fantastic bush and loves pussy licking although is reluctant to give me a proper BJ mealy sucking the tip. I have managed two other encounters but they were on the game and expected a tip but still well worth it.
My second success was through a website called Tagged where I have managed six meets three of which have become regular favorites with two more which I have high hopes for. In my experience there are a lot of married women (not old dogs) in Vietnam who have only experienced sex with their husbands and are curious but don’t want to risk an affair with a Vietnamese man, you will not get them into bed on the first or second meet however with a little persistence you will in the end as they want it just as much as you.
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[QUOTE=Riverstar]I thought my experiences of Hanoi may be of help to like minded guys. I am currently working in Hanoi so am fortunate in having my own apartment which does help.
When I first arrived in Hanoi choice seemed to be thin on the ground but with a little planning things soon looked up. My first success was when a women in her thirties helped me with the menu in a local restaurant we got talking and arranged to meet for dinner the following evening. She was from the south, married and on a course in Hanoi, on the third meeting she agreed to come back to my place to watch TV nothing happened on that first occasion but after that things soon took off. However always wanting to increase my experience I decided a little more in depth research.
My first port of call was a web site called Date In Asia (free) where I managed to hook up with another married woman who wanted to experience western cock. She told me that she had never enjoyed sex with her husband and had heard that western men had bigger cocks so she thought she would like to give it a try, she had the sweetest and tightest pussy I have ever experienced and fucked like crazy. My second hit was a 34 year old unmarried journalist working for six months in Hanoi, initially she was a little shy but after three visits to my house she agreed to stay the night. She has the most fantastic bush and loves pussy licking although is reluctant to give me a proper BJ mealy sucking the tip. I have managed two other encounters but they were on the game and expected a tip but still well worth it.
My second success was through a website called Tagged where I have managed six meets three of which have become regular favorites with two more which I have high hopes for. In my experience there are a lot of married women (not old dogs) in Vietnam who have only experienced sex with their husbands and are curious but don’t want to risk an affair with a Vietnamese man, you will not get them into bed on the first or second meet however with a little persistence you will in the end as they want it just as much as you.
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Basically, the above is my experience in Ha Noi. Have never been to a massage place or paid for sex, and with some persistence through the types of websites mentioned above there has never been any shortage of willing partners.
These gals are not experienced, but certainly willing to learn, and yes will not get them into bed until at least the third meeting. Important that they are treated as "good girls". Also important is that your place is reasonably discreet so that they can come and go easily.
I am currently in Hanoi. My first visit. I did RTFF and thus decided for the Fortuna Hotel. Of course found the KTV downstairs and went there first day after arrival with my two companions.
I am not sure how the economics work, I can just tell you what I experienced: Got a line-up of really beautiful girls to choose from, each of us took one. Found out that mine did not speak english and thus asked Mamasan to change and her to recommend a few. Picked one a tall and slim one (could not read her number) and we had a drink (the guys and girls each one). Then the girl suggested to go upstairs. Told that to Mamasan and she asked if long time or short: since long (all night) was 100USD and short 80USD did choose the first and she told me I should go and the girl would follow. However, I still got the check from the bar and it was 145USD. No idea where that number came from, it stated "misc" as one 81, xxUSD point. Well, I figured that was for the lady to come with me, but found later out I was wrong: I had to pay the lady on top in my room.
When she came to my room I realized how beautiful she was and nice too. Bathed together and she started to tease me and give me a BBJ. Went on to the bed and had great energetic sex, however she told me after like 15mins to "finish". It disturbed me but I did. Hugged and she soon got a phone call deciding to leave. No LT? I asked her to stay and after some beggin she did. Talked a lot about her life and her dreams. Then we started to kiss again and went for second round but this time she said "autchie" after a few minutes and asked me to stop. Third later that night would not even allow entrance. Not sure whether that was fake complaining or real, but I felt for her and the way we slept together arm in arm was really nice. Real GFE (including the complains, I guess.) until 11am. She asked for payment and left.
Next evening we went to a club called "Hi Guom Xanh" (32 Le Thai To) in order to meet some regular girls, however it seemed there were none except some groups of guys and girls. The music and stage show were great though and the bartender that served us really cute. She asked for my phone number but even I gave it to her it wasn't much worth since she spoke really ZERO english. Danced with her and some others until 12 when the place closed down.
So what now? I got convinced by one buddy (the other went to bed) to try boss again and decided to pick another girl that would not complain. However, when I saw "mine" I instantly had that warm feeling around my heart and asked her to come with me again. She told me she was sorry for complaining and would love to come with me again. Paid 80USD at the bar and she visited me 5 min later. We bathed again and started to fuck in the bathtub. Then on the bed. Three times, no complain. Fell asleep and woke up in the morning, after long kisses did some sports together. Well, she complained to me after like 10 minutes and asked to stop. I was disappointed first but she indicated to bath again and made me cum with a bbj in the there. Overall as much GFE as P4P can get IMHO (including the negatives).
Ok, so done that: But where can I meet regular vietnames girls? I mean, not only for a one night stand, but if she is educated and speaks english even more? The use of dating sites is a good idea for expats but not that easy if you are just in town for a few days. Any advice? Isn't there a regular bar? I mean, if I see some girls look at me (rather young, blond and tall) it is hard to imagine that you cannot meat regular girls somewhere!
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[QUOTE=JoyofSex]Ok, so done that: But where can I meet regular vietnames girls? I mean, not only for a one night stand, but if she is educated and speaks english even more? The use of dating sites is a good idea for expats but not that easy if you are just in town for a few days. Any advice? Isn't there a regular bar? I mean, if I see some girls look at me (rather young, blond and tall) it is hard to imagine that you cannot meat regular girls somewhere![/QUOTE]My experience is that you just smile and be nice to the girls that you meet in shops, hairdressers and wherever. It may take a few dates and some patience before they come across with a real GFE experience. Small gifts of perfume and chocolates also help. But be aware that once you are ''in'' they can be hard to shake off.
Sudsoz, sounds easy, but Well, maybe I was all in the wrong places: We went to a bar called Club17 next evening and it was the same as the day before just with live band and more bar/less club atmosphere. Sat in the second row so no girls talking to us (the guys at the bar at least had some ongoing conversation). Approached what looked like the only couple of girls in that place who did not work there. But after a few sentences felt like they were freelancers. Since I know I could not bring them to Fortuna but instead my girl was waiting there left to Boss.
She was busy in one of the rooms, but first disappointment vanished as I saw the lineup. Is it just me or has Boss one of the most beautiful girls in asia? So I choose another one, #67, to chat and dring with. Suddenly "my girl" came a long and I felt a bit sorry when she saw me. But she told me to go with my new friend. No, I told her, I wanted to stay the third night with her as well and her answer was "okay, lets go all together. Wait for me here". She showed up around 1pm and after some hesitation I gave in and took both to my room.
Well, my experience with threesomes in asia has been that they never work since the girls just chat with each other and you have to take care of both (which for me is to much work) or one gets bored quickly. Also it makes me crazy when they continiously speak in their native language. Same here, but instead of trying to have a real threesome they just split the time: My girl watched tv while the other did it with me in the bathtub. When we moved to the living room my girl bathed and only came back as we finished. #67 was really great, btw, she clearly faked but that with professional skill so I did not mind. Beautiful face (lovely smile) and nice body. After she left (she only wanted ST) I continued with my girl for the rest of the night who was not a bit disappointed to have shared me.
So overall a good experience and worth the hefty 260USD (80 USD boss+100US DLT+80USD ST) IMHO
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I also posted this in the other areas thread, but I think anyone mongering in Vietnam should be aware of this.
Warning- On June 25th, I was in Hue and looking for a little action. In the main tourist area, it was common for moto or cyclo drivers to approach you with offers of $10 girls, so finally I decided to take one of them up on the offer, and it was a three minute ride to a place which was on a main street but set back from it. I walk in and choose my girl who was nothing fantastic but acceptable for $10. We go in a room which only had couches and a tray of beverages and food was brought in (yes, I did figure I would be paying something for this). I grabbed a beer and she helped herself to a soda without asking. We kissed for a little bit and then she starts feeding me fruit from the tray. Then she opens a small bag of chips and I started telling her no, stop opening stuff (although she didn't really speak English, but my body language was clear) because I could see exactly where this was going. Then she opens a bottle of water and tries to get me to drink it and I was like I have my beer and refused. Anyway, then she said suck suck, and I was like yea, that is what I came for. We bargain, she started at 500, 000 (a far cry from the $10 I was promised), but being Vietnam I bargained her down to 200, 000. She wanted the money and I paid in advance (always a bad idea and I do know better). The result was a lousy handjob with no lubricant. I said wait a minute, you said suck suck, and she said yes, sook sook with a hand motion as if that is the Vietnamese word for a handjob, I of course wasn't buying but not a lot I could do.
I wish that was the worst of this story, but it is not. After I finished she wiped me off and then immediately opened the door and started saying something in Vietnamese, I did not even have my pants up yet and was like what the fuck. I told her to close the door and she ignored me. Then, three more people came in, an overweight bouncer type, the boss, and another girl, and they look at the tray and started writing out a bill, which I knew was coming. They wanted a whopping 1 million dong, which I laughed at, and said no way in hell. They tried to say there was a room charge and all this stuff, and I said frankly the girl was lousy, the only thing I actually opened was a beer, and a beer, soda, some fruit, small bag of chips, and even the bottle of water that the girl opened did not add up to 1 million, maybe like 50, 000. They even pointed to the moist towlettes, saying that was part of the bill. I was like whatever and attempted to just leave, not an option as I was pushed back, so I just sat down on the couch and figured I had to wait them out a bit. Of course, they were yelling at me and trying to intimidate me, but I remained defiant. Then they dropped it down to 300, 000. I still refused and they were not happy, threatening to kill me. I told them to go ahead (because I knew they were full of shit). I also told them I would be calling the police and the boss said he owned the police and he was with the mafia, which I laughed at. He said he was going to get his club, I told him to go ahead. Then they dropped it to 200, 000, and I still said it was too much. At that point he grabbed my throat as if he was going to choke me, but really didn't choke or hurt me. He again said he was going to kill me and that he was going to get his club. I told him to go ahead. He then left the room (not a good sign) and actually came back with a club, I showed no fear but I was getting very concerned even though I really thought they were full of shit. They said 100, 000 and I said okay, I paid it, and they walked me outside, where motorbikes were waiting. The motorbike drivers did the typical calling out of motorbike, and I said no, I don't need to go anywhere, I just need to find a phone to call the police. I walked out to the main road and took note of the surroundings and the addresses of the neighboring buildings so I could remember where this was and identify it for the police. The asshole boss then came out and gave me a 50, 000 note and said here, now you only pay 50, 000, now go. I took a motorbike, still taking note of the way back and how to get there. When I got back to my hotel (small guesthouse), I said that I needed to talk to the police and asked them to call them for me. Apparently the owner of the hotel is also a police officer, so they said they could definitely help me. They called a friend who speaks good English, and I told him the whole story. He said yes, the police will do something, we will go talk to the owner, he is police. The two of them talked in Vietnamese, and then they asked me where it was, I gave them complete directions with street address, and the cop/owner changed the look on his face when he heard the directions. I was then told that it was too far away (3 minutes by motorbike) for the police to do anything, and that I just needed to be careful, which I saw straight through, obviously they do have a police connection.
Anyway, I guess the most important thing is to follow basic mongering rules, never pay in advance, don't bring more money than you need in case you get robbed (an empty wallet would also help bargain them down, showing them you don't have it.) Also, going to places recommended on this forum is probably a safer bet. If you do wind up in a situation like this, just remain defiant, stay strong, and be prepared to wait. Oh, and two days later in Hanoi I found myself trapped in the back of a taxi (doors/windows wouldn't open) with a rigged meter that ran ten times as fast and the driver wouldn't let me out as I refused to pay. I again just waited it out and after about twenty minutes I was freed without paying a cent. Apparently, only take taxis with reputable companies. I have been to 22 countries, including supposedly dangerous ones in Central America, and Brazil, mongered and traveled all over, but I have never had these kinds of issues anywhere else.
Your experience was unpleasant but then many experiences in Vietnam are like that. The only experiences I had in Hue was the kind of rip-off experience like you had without the unhappy ending. Invariably promised FS at the outset etc, in the room with cheap plastic sofas (always a bad sign), I was hooked additional money at each stage for hand job and blow job and taking pants down but no FS. And nothing was really provided anyway. I got bored and just walked out before they could pull anything else on me. That was some years ago but it appears that things just don't change in Vietnam.
The only thing such people understand is power. Unless you can muscle up more power than they have, such as higher police connections, just don't go there. Tell the rest of us where the place is and tell everyone in Hue about it too. Vietnam operates on reputation in every market; go to providers who have a good reputation (such as a good mention on this board) and given all the bad ones a bad rep on this board.
But when it comes to rip-off taxi drivers, all you have to do is learn the Vietnamese words "Khanh Sat" (pronounced Kaing Sat where you swallow the last T - it means police) and shout it out as loud as you can. Bang on the windows - open them and shout it loud. You also need to take a photo of the guy and the registration number of the taxi and even a sneaky pic of the meter with the inflated number. Invariably he will back down. The shouting makes it quicker.
After you exit the taxi, go to the police if you can or ask your guesthouse to report it for you. Often these rip-off guys hang out around places where tourists are, such as popular restaurants. Report the taxi to the restaurant. They will usually either see them off or make sure that customers do not take that cab.
[QUOTE=Guapo28]I also posted this in the other areas thread, but I think anyone mongering in Vietnam should be aware of this.
Warning- On June 25th, I was in Hue and looking for a little action. In the main tourist area, it was common for moto or cyclo drivers to approach you with offers of $10 girls, so finally I decided to take one of them up on the offer, and it was a three minute ride to a place which was on a main street but set back from it. I walk in and choose my girl who was nothing fantastic but acceptable for $10. We go in a room which only had couches and a tray of beverages and food was brought in (yes, I did figure I would be paying something for this). I grabbed a beer and she helped herself to a soda without asking. We kissed for a little bit and then she starts feeding me fruit from the tray. Then she opens a small bag of chips and I started telling her no, stop opening stuff (although she didn't really speak English, but my body language was clear) because I could see exactly where this was going. Then she opens a bottle of water and tries to get me to drink it and I was like I have my beer and refused. Anyway, then she said suck suck, and I was like yea, that is what I came for. We bargain, she started at 500, 000 (a far cry from the $10 I was promised), but being Vietnam I bargained her down to 200, 000. She wanted the money and I paid in advance (always a bad idea and I do know better). The result was a lousy handjob with no lubricant. I said wait a minute, you said suck suck, and she said yes, sook sook with a hand motion as if that is the Vietnamese word for a handjob, I of course wasn't buying but not a lot I could do.
I wish that was the worst of this story, but it is not. After I finished she wiped me off and then immediately opened the door and started saying something in Vietnamese, I did not even have my pants up yet and was like what the fuck. I told her to close the door and she ignored me. Then, three more people came in, an overweight bouncer type, the boss, and another girl, and they look at the tray and started writing out a bill, which I knew was coming. They wanted a whopping 1 million dong, which I laughed at, and said no way in hell. They tried to say there was a room charge and all this stuff, and I said frankly the girl was lousy, the only thing I actually opened was a beer, and a beer, soda, some fruit, small bag of chips, and even the bottle of water that the girl opened did not add up to 1 million, maybe like 50, 000. They even pointed to the moist towlettes, saying that was part of the bill. I was like whatever and attempted to just leave, not an option as I was pushed back, so I just sat down on the couch and figured I had to wait them out a bit. Of course, they were yelling at me and trying to intimidate me, but I remained defiant. Then they dropped it down to 300, 000. I still refused and they were not happy, threatening to kill me. I told them to go ahead (because I knew they were full of shit). I also told them I would be calling the police and the boss said he owned the police and he was with the mafia, which I laughed at. He said he was going to get his club, I told him to go ahead. Then they dropped it to 200, 000, and I still said it was too much. At that point he grabbed my throat as if he was going to choke me, but really didn't choke or hurt me. He again said he was going to kill me and that he was going to get his club. I told him to go ahead. He then left the room (not a good sign) and actually came back with a club, I showed no fear but I was getting very concerned even though I really thought they were full of shit. They said 100, 000 and I said okay, I paid it, and they walked me outside, where motorbikes were waiting. The motorbike drivers did the typical calling out of motorbike, and I said no, I don't need to go anywhere, I just need to find a phone to call the police. I walked out to the main road and took note of the surroundings and the addresses of the neighboring buildings so I could remember where this was and identify it for the police. The asshole boss then came out and gave me a 50, 000 note and said here, now you only pay 50, 000, now go. I took a motorbike, still taking note of the way back and how to get there. When I got back to my hotel (small guesthouse), I said that I needed to talk to the police and asked them to call them for me. Apparently the owner of the hotel is also a police officer, so they said they could definitely help me. They called a friend who speaks good English, and I told him the whole story. He said yes, the police will do something, we will go talk to the owner, he is police. The two of them talked in Vietnamese, and then they asked me where it was, I gave them complete directions with street address, and the cop/owner changed the look on his face when he heard the directions. I was then told that it was too far away (3 minutes by motorbike) for the police to do anything, and that I just needed to be careful, which I saw straight through, obviously they do have a police connection.
Anyway, I guess the most important thing is to follow basic mongering rules, never pay in advance, don't bring more money than you need in case you get robbed (an empty wallet would also help bargain them down, showing them you don't have it.) Also, going to places recommended on this forum is probably a safer bet. If you do wind up in a situation like this, just remain defiant, stay strong, and be prepared to wait. Oh, and two days later in Hanoi I found myself trapped in the back of a taxi (doors/windows wouldn't open) with a rigged meter that ran ten times as fast and the driver wouldn't let me out as I refused to pay. I again just waited it out and after about twenty minutes I was freed without paying a cent. Apparently, only take taxis with reputable companies. I have been to 22 countries, including supposedly dangerous ones in Central America, and Brazil, mongered and traveled all over, but I have never had these kinds of issues anywhere else.[/QUOTE]
Hey Guys
Has anyone noticed that there are at least three new MPs opening up on the major road heading from Sofitel Plaza out to West Lake?
Several others along that route have massage+ services (though no FS), and I am curious if anyone has tried any of them.
News?
Hanoi - Au Co
Hey Guys
Has anyone noticed that there are at least three new MPs opening up on the major road heading from Sofitel Plaza out to West Lake?
Several others along that route have massage+ services (though no FS), and I am curious if anyone has tried any of them.
News?
I m staying in this area-- new territory for me but agree it seems to be developing all around the big lake (Ho Tay). I have been wanting to journey into some of these places but still trying to bone up on the basics of the language first.
Anyone else have more news or want to join forces to explore?
Can anyone tell me what is Hanoi in respect to Night Life, girls, casino massage etc is available or not and is hilton hanoi worth staying
[QUOTE=Mannu Maingi]Can anyone tell me what is Hanoi in respect to Night Life, girls, casino massage etc is available or not and is hilton hanoi worth staying[/QUOTE]
Dude,
Sorry, but you are going to receive the wrath of my being tired, in a bad mood and incredulous about stupid inquiries as this. RTFF; it's all there.
AR
[QUOTE=Asia Rocks]Dude,
Sorry, but you are going to receive the wrath of my being tired, in a bad mood and incredulous about stupid inquiries as this. RTFF; it's all there.
AR[/QUOTE]
Thanks AR - I could not be bothered responding.
[QUOTE=Mcpaul]Hanoi - Au Co
Hey Guys
Has anyone noticed that there are at least three new MPs opening up on the major road heading from Sofitel Plaza out to West Lake?
Several others along that route have massage+ services (though no FS), and I am curious if anyone has tried any of them.
News?
I m staying in this area-- new territory for me but agree it seems to be developing all around the big lake (Ho Tay). I have been wanting to journey into some of these places but still trying to bone up on the basics of the language first.
Anyone else have more news or want to join forces to explore?[/QUOTE]
I tried out the farthest of the three places last night, at 148 Au Co. By the way, they have a half price sale for thier opening. I think it was 105,000 for the sauna, jacuzzi and massage. Everything was new and clean. The massage was good, done by a cute Saigon girl. The inevitable playing and tugging at the right places led to negotiation. I said 200,000, she said 500, ended up somewhere in the middle, which was higher than I wanted, but I was lazy. I usually want to keep it to 200, max 300 in a nicer place. HJ, no BJ. If the massage had not been excellent actually, it would have been a bit much.
Anyway, if you like the spa/sauna/massage deal with a treat, this is another decent option now. She also hinted about meeting me at my hotel and gave me her number, but with her ahving almost no english, that would surprise me if it happens, cause my VN sucks....
[QUOTE=Explorerman] She also hinted about meeting me at my hotel and gave me her number, but with her ahving almost no english, that would surprise me if it happens, cause my VN sucks....[/QUOTE]
But usually they will understand a simple message. Try it!
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]But usually they will understand a simple message. Try it![/QUOTE]
A good thought. I did try it, and got an English reply back that she could not possibly have written, so probably she had to ask a friend. It was the "official reply" that she could not see me outside the place, which was not what she said in person, since when we talked she had used the term "boom boom" and hotel, and I know what that means.... I will try again.... :)
[QUOTE=Explorerman]A good thought. I did try it, and got an English reply back that she could not possibly have written, so probably she had to ask a friend. It was the "official reply" that she could not see me outside the place, which was not what she said in person, since when we talked she had used the term "boom boom" and hotel, and I know what that means.... I will try again.... :)[/QUOTE]
Sounds like an official response from her boss. Send her a message early morning (so only she reads) and suggest a meeting at your hotel in the afternoon or lunchtime. Give her name, address and time. Presuming your hotel will let her in of course.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Sounds like an official response from her boss. Send her a message early morning (so only she reads) and suggest a meeting at your hotel in the afternoon or lunchtime. Give her name, address and time. Presuming your hotel will let her in of course.[/QUOTE]
Yes, working that angle now. Thanks for the encouragement! :) It seems to be working.
What sort of tip would you suggest to her for the home delivery service such as this? :)
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Yes, working that angle now. Thanks for the encouragement! :) It seems to be working.
What sort of tip would you suggest to her for the home delivery service such as this? :)[/QUOTE]
About what you tipped before - a bit more for overnight. Remember that you are providing her with an experience of comfort even luxury that she is not used to.
And try not to discuss money up front.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]About what you tipped before - a bit more for overnight. Remember that you are providing her with an experience of comfort even luxury that she is not used to.
And try not to discuss money up front.[/QUOTE]
Super! I will PM you any details, if it happens. She is asking me where now.... :)
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Remember that you are providing her with an experience of comfort even luxury that she is not used to.[/QUOTE]Ha ha ha that's unpredictable. Hanoi girls can be unpredictable in what the appreciate. A "luxury" bathroom but without a bum-squirter? Carpet? (Dirty. Harbours bugs). Aircon that makes them feel "so cold". Hotel staff that make comments behind your back that you won't even know about. Hotel food that is "dreadful" compared with the street food they are used to.
I exaggerate to make a point, but I find Hanoi girls in particular don't necessarily appreciate the same things in the same way as foreigners.
[QUOTE=Ngu Ngon]Ha ha ha that's unpredictable. Hanoi girls can be unpredictable in what they appreciate. A "luxury" bathroom but without a bum-squirter? Carpet? (Dirty. Harbours bugs). Aircon that makes them feel "so cold". Hotel staff that make comments behind your back that you won't even know about. Hotel food that is "dreadful" compared with the street food they are used to.
I exaggerate to make a point, but I find Hanoi girls in particular don't necessarily appreciate the same things in the same way as foreigners.[/QUOTE]
This one loved the fancy place. Ooooh and ahhh at the view, etc. Loved the fancy bathroom, so much so that she took two showers, one before the fun and one with me afterwards. Yes, and my bathroom fortunately had a 'bum-squirter".... HAHAHA
In between, three hours of great fun, and I will definitely repeat with her. She was almost insatible, which is something I love....
Tried Esalen Massage, 6 Nghi Tam, Tay Ho, kitty corner from the Sofitel. 150, 000 entrance, including massage, shower, sauna, jacuzzi. Reasonably clean, good massage rooms but with the viewing window. 2 cops standing guard outside, so owner's connected. No choice of girl but they all seemed young and attractive. Some female clients also using the facility. Girl did a decent massage but annoyed me with pestering for excessive tip for HJ at the end (I'm a Viet speaker). So I ended up just tipping 50, 000 and no HJ. Told her she'll do better in the future if she takes a less aggressive approach. In spite of that, I'd return in the future.
Also tried massage/sauna at BSC Hotel on 77 Kim Ma St. Not as sanitary and rather run-down. 100, 000 massage plus HJ tip. Girl tried to get 400,000, settled for 200.000, probably would've taken 100,000. Girls OK but a notch lower than Esalen.
[QUOTE=The Guy]Tried Esalen Massage, 6 Nghi Tam, Tay Ho, kitty corner from the Sofitel. 150, 000 entrance, including massage, shower, sauna, jacuzzi. Reasonably clean, good massage rooms but with the viewing window. 2 cops standing guard outside, so owner's connected. No choice of girl but they all seemed young and attractive. Some female clients also using the facility. Girl did a decent massage but annoyed me with pestering for excessive tip for HJ at the end (I'm a Viet speaker). So I ended up just tipping 50, 000 and no HJ. Told her she'll do better in the future if she takes a less aggressive approach. In spite of that, I'd return in the future.
Also tried massage/sauna at BSC Hotel on 77 Kim Ma St. Not as sanitary and rather run-down. 100, 000 massage plus HJ tip. Girl tried to get 400,000, settled for 200.000, probably would've taken 100,000. Girls OK but a notch lower than Esalen.[/QUOTE]
Thanks. I have not tried that one, but saw it as it just opened. The other one further up the road near the Sheraton is pretty good also.
By the way, this one says it is Esalen III. If the one up the road is Esalen, is there an Esalen II somewhere? I assume so, but have never seen it.
[QUOTE=Cheapy]Brothels are north of the Tay Ho-lake on Duong Loc Long Quan and adjacent streets. This area has quite a few expats and well to do tourists so price seems to be up to 400,000 dong. I had to pay before service but the girl did come thru with a fine performance. Big room and bed with shower.
Note: I agree with TJhooker report on Hanoi Viets in general. Watch your back.[/QUOTE]
Aside from the wrong street name for this local area brothel near Sheraton, are the prices also wrong (400,000???) as some describe place here as dirty rundown rooms/sheets etc. 400,000 seems way to high or is this the starting asking price and whats common practice in asia, the correct price is usually half of the asking price?
Anyone been here lately and can clarify this.
[QUOTE=Sharka]Aside from the wrong street name for this local area brothel near Sheraton, are the prices also wrong (400,000???) as some describe place here as dirty rundown rooms/sheets etc. 400,000 seems way to high or is this the starting asking price and whats common practice in asia, the correct price is usually half of the asking price?
Anyone been here lately and can clarify this.[/QUOTE]
I went once, and it was a bit too "earthy' for me. I think that they wanted 1,000,000 (since I am Western), and I recall going for 500,000, which was way too high for the value given, even considering everything.
I know others like it, but not for me.... To each his own.
Gradually making my way through the massage parlors. Tried the one on the fourth floor of the hotel at 146 Giang Vo. 90,000 for hour massage. Not top-of-the-line but not awful either. Girl was a bit chunky for my taste but pretty face. She did her massage for 40 minutes, chatting with me in Vietnamese the whole time, then went right into HJ (no pre-negotiations). She encouraged me repeatedly to play with her, also said she was off in 20 minutes and would like to go out with me. In a year at the place, she said I was the first American she'd had. Usually did Vietnamese dudes, with an odd assortment of Asian foreigners from China, Korea, Singapore and Japan. I tipped her 100.000. She wanted more but I said that was that. And frandkly, that's as high as a customer should go at that place. I wasn't interested in pursuing a relationship with her. I doubt there are many English speakers working at the place, but of the other girls I glanced at look pretty decent, as high as a 7.
A few more massage places. Hanoi is pretty full of them. I got this information from a Vietnamese site. Nothing to write home about:
Oasis Hotel (right across the street from the Fortuna): Massage place on 4th floor. 90, 000 for the hr massage. Girl Ok, maybe a 5/6. Probably high-end flocks to Fortuna either for massage or Boss nightclub. Tipped 100, 000 after HJ. She tried to extort more, showing me the phony receipt book with receipts for 500, 000.
Massage place at 35 Chau Long, a street away from Truc Back Lake: When I walked in, they showed me a sign for $10/hr. I know the price was 100, 000 from the Vietnamese site. I flipped the sign around and sure enough it said 100, 000 (Vietnamese price). I should have walked as I don't appreciate the 2-tiered pricing structure. They quickly backed away and said, oh, OK, you speak Vietnamese, discounted prices for you. I did the massage for 100, 000. Woman was 4/5, fairly skilled at massage, was happy to do HJ. Tipped 100.000. As in other places, whined for more money. I gave her the knowing Vietnamese, what-kind-of-an-idiot-do-you-think-I-am look and she shut up. If you go there, flip the sign over and insist on the real prices. Girls are OK for 100, 000, not worth 180, 000.
I think these girls have been so accustomed to foreign suckers lavishing ridiculous tips that they can't resist.
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[QUOTE=The Guy]A few more massage places. Hanoi is pretty full of them. I got this information from a Vietnamese site. Nothing to write home about:
Oasis Hotel (right across the street from the Fortuna): Massage place on 4th floor. 90, 000 for the hr massage. Girl Ok, maybe a 5/6. Probably high-end flocks to Fortuna either for massage or Boss nightclub. Tipped 100, 000 after HJ. She tried to extort more, showing me the phony receipt book with receipts for 500, 000.
Massage place at 35 Chau Long, a street away from Truc Back Lake: When I walked in, they showed me a sign for $10/hr. I know the price was 100, 000 from the Vietnamese site. I flipped the sign around and sure enough it said 100, 000 (Vietnamese price). I should have walked as I don't appreciate the 2-tiered pricing structure. They quickly backed away and said, oh, OK, you speak Vietnamese, discounted prices for you. I did the massage for 100, 000. Woman was 4/5, fairly skilled at massage, was happy to do HJ. Tipped 100.000. As in other places, whined for more money. I gave her the knowing Vietnamese, what-kind-of-an-idiot-do-you-think-I-am look and she shut up. If you go there, flip the sign over and insist on the real prices. Girls are OK for 100, 000, not worth 180, 000.
I think these girls have been so accustomed to foreign suckers lavishing ridiculous tips that they can't resist.
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Thanks for the tips on various places. Very helpful.
I go to a salon for a regular haircut, and usually a massage also. Not their speciality, but the owner gives the massage - and no funny business, just good massage. We've been doing this for a few months, and the massages keep getting more "friendly". She has been teasing me, and rubbing the base of my balls, etc, but would not take the next step.
I had a funny idea to invite her to give her a massage. Invited her over to my place, and I planned to give her the kind of massage I want her to give me.... :) She said OK, after checking whether I wanted her to pay! haha. I liked that one. I told her no, it was just my way to thank her for being so nice to me.
So we proceeded, and I gave her about a 2 hour massage. She started with bra and panties on, but we got those lost once I started to use oil. Then I teased her, which was fair considering how much she has teased me.... Face down, I did a nice oil massage, and spent a lot of time on her bum.... A little oil around her anus just to be thorough.... :) And a bit of teasing with the hands reaching the top of her thighs. Then time to turn her over. Oiled her breasts, and her nipples hardened.... She wiggled a bit, but still stayed calm.... Then I got to the legs.... That was fun. I could see her pussy was soaking wet, so obviously she liked having her breasts massaged, and was thinking about the rest.... :) I teased her more, and started with the legs.... By the time I got to her upper thighs, my strokes went up her thigh almost to her pussy lips. She clearly loved it, and spread her legs so I could do it more.... I was not so easy though.... Massaged her tummy, and her legs, and then teased her more. My revenge! :) Finally, my hands 'accidently' went all the way to her pussy, and then she moaned and began wiggling. I then gave her a very long nice slow finger massage, and her legs were fully spread to let me do so, and she is moaning and wiggling. So much fun.... :) Then I decided to dine at the Y, and she exploded....
Then so horny, she tore off my few bit of clothes, and asked me to fuck her. That was great....
But problem: It seems that though she is divorced, she is catholic, and felt very bad about fucking, and she says I am the only man she has fucked other than her husband. So we made a deal: anything goes, but no fucking. Now she comes over for kissing, and gives me a great BJ and I give her a licking, so great mutual oral for orgasm.... That is between friends, so freebie....
At her shop, when I go for massage and I pay, no BJ, but at least she finishes with HJ now. So I have her well trained now....
Nice to have a good hairdresser!
Nice to have a good hairdresser![/QUOTE]What a coincidence!
I was just thinking of looking for a good new barber!
[QUOTE=Mcpaul]Nice to have a good hairdresser![/QUOTE][QUOTE]What a coincidence!
I was just thinking of looking for a good new barber![/QUOTE]
I hope these few training "tips" help in your search, and are an encouragement! :)
I'll be taking my HCMC gf with me to Hanoi, anything I should be wary of? Have had no problems getting her in my rooms in HCMC but hoping I don't have to book 2 rooms in Hanoi. Anyone have any problems in the mini hotels bringing takeout along in Hanoi?
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I'll be taking my HCMC gf with me to Hanoi, anything I should be wary of? Have had no problems getting her in my rooms in HCMC but hoping I don't have to book 2 rooms in Hanoi. Anyone have any problems in the mini hotels bringing takeout along in Hanoi?[/QUOTE]
Wanting to do similar in HCMC. We can PM for favorite hotels in each place. But generally the three star hotels here have been very flexible.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I'll be taking my HCMC gf with me to Hanoi, anything I should be wary of? Have had no problems getting her in my rooms in HCMC but hoping I don't have to book 2 rooms in Hanoi. Anyone have any problems in the mini hotels bringing takeout along in Hanoi?[/QUOTE]
Try the small single frontage hotels in the old town area. Places like Heart Hotel and others nearby should still be OK.
[QUOTE=Dragonfly22]I'll be taking my HCMC gf with me to Hanoi, anything I should be wary of? Have had no problems getting her in my rooms in HCMC but hoping I don't have to book 2 rooms in Hanoi. Anyone have any problems in the mini hotels bringing takeout along in Hanoi?[/QUOTE]
Been doing this for years in HN and HCMC at a range of hotels (no star to 5 star) and never a problem. At one 4 star place in HCMC they asked for a marriage certificate, we said we didn't always carry it (who would) and that would have it faxed.
A lot depends on the VN gal, if she looks respectable and confident, then should not be a problem.
[QUOTE=Pak Mike]Been doing this for years in HN and HCMC at a range of hotels (no star to 5 star) and never a problem. At one 4 star place in HCMC they asked for a marriage certificate, we said we didn't always carry it (who would) and that would have it faxed.
A lot depends on the VN gal, if she looks respectable and confident, then should not be a problem.[/QUOTE]
That's right, it does depend a lot on the girl's looks. A lot of hoes dress like, well, hoes. Even when wearing what they consider normal street clothes they still look like. . . . hoes. But if your gal is educated and employed and normal looking, you have lots of hotel choices.
BTW, making and carrying a copy of a fake foreign marriage certificate should be easy if you really are worried.
JD
I thought it worth while letting you lads know about my recent visit to Do Son which is the nearest beach resort to Hanoi. I am working in Viet Nam and fortunate to work with a noumer of guys who not only work hard but play hard when away from home. We wre staying overnight on a job in Do Son and the lads decided that they would show methe elights of the town, so following a late meel and a number of beers we set off. I was under strict instructions not to pay anyone as they would make all the arangements At are first port of call (there were seven of us) we were shown a string of young ladies all of which I would give at least 8/10, several of the lads made their selection but each girl I selected seemed rather reluctant so I passed on them. At last one girl seemed happy and led me by the hand to a very pleasent room playing wth my balls on the way. After undoing my shirt and me taking off her top she removed my trousers and that when the problem started. At that stage I was only half hard but as she held my cock it started to swell and she jumped a mile, pointing to my cock and her pussy she kept saking her head and getting dressed she ran from the room. So on to number two a sweet girl who was happy to give a BJ but a soon as I put on a condom the same thing happened, number three was a sucess and I enjoyed a 69 then a great fuck. I must say that all this proved great fun to the guys and I have risen greatly in their eyes.
After a quick beer off to another house as not all the guys found a girl the fancied and then off to number three for "one for the road" which in my case I would give 9/10 bigger that most Vietnamese girls with fantastic tits who told the guys when we entered that she wanted me and it was the best fuck I had had in ages.
Cost 1,500VND (short time) 4,500VND all ningt. Come on lads there are hundredes in Do Som you won't be dissapointed.
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Hey are those prices correct?
1, 500 dong is like 1 buck. You don't mean 1.5 mill st and 4.5 mill overnight? . Which by the way is far too expensive.
[QUOTE=Mutantchicken]1, 500 dong is like 1 buck. You don't mean 1.5 mill st and 4.5 mill overnight? . Which by the way is far too expensive.[/QUOTE]I don't think they would even think of charging that kind of amount. What he probably meant is 150K and 450K which I think is awesome!
Sorry lads for the typo Nail has got it correct I should have said 150,000 and 450,000 which I think is great value but I have to thank my Vietnamese friends for that as I don't think I would have got that if I was on my own.
First of all I have to say that Hanoi sucks!
Too much control and all entertainments venues licit or else close at 12 pm.
C'mon! Well used to China and Thailand this is not for me.
I like also the hunting and feebees scene but nothing of that here.
Disapointed, tired of a long meetings day and desilutioned I stroll out looking for a massage place. Just a massage! I walked out of the Sheraton for a while on the directionof the neares Sofitel, just close to the later on the left hand side ther is a massage parlour called ESALEN Massage 3.
The lady inside told me what kind service I wanted and I replied that I needed a good massage, she told me sauna steem and one hor massage for 200K local money, I said I really need agood massage she said do not worry if is not good she give me 50% off, so I went in.
After a sauna and shower I was handed a pair of shorts and off we went to the little massage rooms. Few minutes later came in a cutie named Lynn well she did a very good massage indeed very professional, she spoke some english and made funny comments, I played stupid and at the 50th minute she told me that she liked me (hahahahahahha) and that she would like to meet me later at my hotel.
I said well why not do something here first I really need to get something going while waiting for her (her shift end at 12pm, I was at her shop at 5pm) so she said she can only perform HJ there because managers do not allow anything else and in addition the doors are semi transparent so anyone could pic in. She told me I have to sign for a tip of 300K, at taht point I was quite exited and also hopeful of a later encounter so I signed.
Being a masseuse she is very 'handy" and soon afetr I was done.
After cleaning and some cuddling she gave me her mobile numebr and told me to call her after her shift ended, I saved my little piece of paper under my boxers and happy went for a shower.
At the cashier I paid 200K plus 300K for "extras" no discussions there no add ups, I was quite happy and ready to go. The cashier rthen asked me if I had enjoyed my session, and I said certainly was really stress free and ready for a good dinner. She asked me if I would come back soon, I said most probably yes so she gave me a coupon for 50% discount on my next visit.
What a lucky day!
Now dinner is over I'm here writing making time for my "friend" to come.
Tell you more in aday or two. Bye bye
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[QUOTE=The Jello]
What a lucky day!
Now dinner is over I'm here writing making time for my "friend" to come.
Tell you more in aday or two. Bye bye[/QUOTE]Did she turn up Jello?
Was she what you expected?
How much did she want, and how much did you pay?
My theory that it takes three dates to get into a Ha Noi girls knickers has proved correct yet again. I found her on the Date In Asia website the first meeting was in a restaurant and at the end of the evening she went home but said she would like to meet again the following day. This time she came to my apartment and although she talked a lot about sex she kept her distance and left at 1100 but did send me a email saying that she found it difficult to resist as she hadnt had sex for some time and suggesting that if we met again things may be different. At the third meeting she was a little quiet to begin with but after a few hours soon hotted up, she couldn't stay all night as her family would worry but we did enjoy a good session.
If you are interested in paying there is a girl on DIA called intellegent who is a great fuck she will ask for $50 but agreed 500,000VND on our second meeting for all night.
Thanks Riverstar, I'm going to be in Hanoi in early October and maybe I will look up that DIA girl. How would you rate her looks?
Bigfoot,
It's difficult to rate her as she is not your typical Vietnamese girl.
The last time we met her head was shaved at the side and orange on top.
However she had a sweet pussy and knew how to use her mouth.
That would explain why she didn't send any pics. We have had a couple of email exchanges and that would be a fun diversion for this recently divorced 65 year old guy. Never done a girl with orange hair. LOL
Bang goes my theory that it takes three dates before you get into a Vietnamese girls pants. I had been chatting to her on the net for some time but we had never managed to get together until I told her I would soon leave Vietnam so last night we had a date but she turned up with a friend. After a quick drink in my local bar she suggested moving to another bar where she said would introduce me to her friends where we had a great evening and when the bar closed she offered to take me home on her bike. During the journey she said she was tired and didn't want to drive home and asked if she could stay, the rest as they say is history.
She wasn't your typical Vietnamese girl fantastic big tits and worked in the arts and all she wanted to do was suck and fuck even wakeing me up in the middle of the night for yet another session. Total cost 300,000VND for drinks
[QUOTE=Riverstar]Bang goes my theory that it takes three dates before you get into a Vietnamese girls pants. I had been chatting to her on the net for some time but we had never managed to get together until I told her I would soon leave Vietnam so last night we had a date but she turned up with a friend. After a quick drink in my local bar she suggested moving to another bar where she said would introduce me to her friends where we had a great evening and when the bar closed she offered to take me home on her bike. During the journey she said she was tired and didn't want to drive home and asked if she could stay, the rest as they say is history.
She wasn't your typical Vietnamese girl fantastic big tits and worked in the arts and all she wanted to do was suck and fuck even wakeing me up in the middle of the night for yet another session. Total cost 300, 000VND for drinks[/QUOTE]Great report, I have had this happen to me as well, but I'm always worried about marriage traps, esp when the girl is 30+ and average looking.
So how attractive is this girl and whats her DIA name?
The various sites (yahoo, tagged, dia) for meeting VN girls are fine. Depends on your taste. Frankly, there are a number of unattractive women so I always insist on exchange of photos before meeting. By the time most of them are in their 30s, they are unmarriable in Vietnam, so they're pretty hungry for adventure. Works pretty well but it tends to be hard to lose them after a night. I've always believed that you pay for a girl not to meet them but to say goodbye.
I'm going to halong bay cruise by myself end of this month.3d/2n. I will be based off Hanoi.
It would be nice to take someone along.
What would be the best way to make this happen? I'm new to the Hanoi scene. So I don't know where to go.
SHould I pick them up in KTVs? Bar/clubs? Massage parlour? Off the street?
What is the going rate? If I take her to the cruise. Do I pay her per day? How much do you guys suggest?
Thanks in advance. This will help a lot.
"The man"
I know what you mean I have had two girls who wanted more than just a
a good fuck but that didn't cause a big problem in fact I wanted to see one more that she would see me. I no spring chicken 60 next week and the most enjoyable two ladies I met were both in their late 40's both married who wanted somthing on the side One had the tightest pussy I have ever had and said that she had never enjoyed sex with he husband as he was too small and liked feeling my big cock inside her, the other although 47 has a fantastic body and knew how to use it, I think I have had more pleasure from them than any of the the younger girls I have met. I am leaving Viet Nam next week to work for a time in Cambodia and although I know that I will not be short of company but I will miss my regulars.
[QUOTE=Riverstar]"The man"
I know what you mean I have had two girls who wanted more than just a
a good fuck but that didn't cause a big problem in fact I wanted to see one more that she would see me. I no spring chicken 60 next week and the most enjoyable two ladies I met were both in their late 40's both married who wanted somthing on the side One had the tightest pussy I have ever had and said that she had never enjoyed sex with he husband as he was too small and liked feeling my big cock inside her, the other although 47 has a fantastic body and knew how to use it, I think I have had more pleasure from them than any of the the younger girls I have met. I am leaving Viet Nam next week to work for a time in Cambodia and although I know that I will not be short of company but I will miss my regulars.[/QUOTE]
From my experience a good target age is unmarried 28-35. Usually if not married by 25-27 they consider themselves on the rack, family expectations have diminished, and are therefore more likely to not focus so much on getting married and branch out into a liitle experimentation and new life experiences. There are heaps of them around.
[QUOTE=Neversummer1911]I'm going to halong bay cruise by myself end of this month.3d/2n. I will be based off Hanoi.
It would be nice to take someone along.
What would be the best way to make this happen? I'm new to the Hanoi scene. So I don't know where to go.
SHould I pick them up in KTVs? Bar/clubs? Massage parlour? Off the street?
What is the going rate? If I take her to the cruise. Do I pay her per day? How much do you guys suggest?
Thanks in advance. This will help a lot.[/QUOTE]Riverstar found a girl on dateinasia dot com by the name of intellegent. I connected with her and she is going to guide me around the city and make me comfortable. I'm also going at the end of the month so don't horndog on my trip but if you are there from 30 September through 2nd October lets try to hook up. I don't have PM's but there must be some way we can hook up without posting email addresses.
[QUOTE=Bigfoot16]Riverstar found a girl on dateinasia dot com by the name of intellegent. I connected with her and she is going to guide me around the city and make me comfortable. I'm also going at the end of the month so don't horndog on my trip but if you are there from 30 September through 2nd October lets try to hook up. I don't have PM's but there must be some way we can hook up without posting email addresses.[/QUOTE]
Funny, I got contacted once by the same girl. She wanted quite a bit of money, as I recall. Did you hook up? Send me a PM if you did, as I am curious....
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Funny, I got contacted once by the same girl. She wanted quite a bit of money, as I recall. Did you hook up? Send me a PM if you did, as I am curious....[/QUOTE]Hmmmmm she sent a message to me too after I browsed her site.
I decided she is a player and never followed up.
Maybe she really is smart and "intellegent" hehehe.
Good luck guys - she's all yours.
Hello all,
I was in Hanoi Hilton Opera several times ago. The last time, 3 weeks ago, I arranged a meeting with the girl named "intelligent" from DIA before I left Europe.
She gave me her mobilnumber and I gave her the rough plan at what time she should come to the Hotel. As I arrived in the Hotel, I sended her a SMS to verify the time and the room number.
Shortly after the arrived at the room door and we had a good conversation (like an interview) and afterwards we negotiated about the price for 2 times of fucking.
After the job was done and two hours where spend she dissapeared from my room. We stayed in contact via DIA, but I dint found any time to invite her again.
Look: 6/10 (Fancy short hair, orange)
Sex: 7/10 (acrobatic and active)
Price: 2/10 (Asked for 100 US for ST, we agreed on 50 US)
HILTON in general is a goob place to bring girls in. They will ask you to sign for that girl on the reception and the girl has to leave her ID there, but I didnt got any problems to bring up girls the last three times.
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She sounds like a nice girl. I'm looking forward to my time with her next week.
[QUOTE=Pinkcloud]Dear every one, I have a look on the web dateinasia.com, there is no girl call intellegent anny more, she is not exist, can anny one have another suggestion for another girl on that site?[/QUOTE]
Maybe she's concerned about being found out and signed up with a new account. Could be she even reads this forum and was worried about being too visible? Just guesses.
I think the best way to go is to just sign up and see what happens. Any pro out there who is working the site is going to want to drum up business, so give her a chance to make her move.
i was just the victim of a classic scam on my last night in hanoi. as i was walking around the old quarter around 10.30 tonight, thinking of whether to get a final drink or whether to call it a day (hanoi closes rather early), a guy comes up on a motorbike, calling "want boom-boom? 20 dollars? young girl. 15 dollars?" first i ignore him, but as he follows me i think, what the hell, it's my final night here so let's go. off we go on his bike at daredevil speed across the bridge and into (for me) uncharted territories to a rather seedy backstreet motel, where a girl is waiting. she is neither that young nor that pretty, really, but not too bad either, and she has a nice smile and for the price she is quite ok. the price, however, is now back to 20 dollars, but that is including the room and the drive back. fair enough, i thought.
we undress and go into the shower, where she washes me surprisingly thoroughly and then back to the bed. i ask her if she has a condom, but apparently she hasn't so she makes a call on her mobile and a rubber deliverer appears only seconds later. sex is bbbj followed by cowgirl and mish, and again quite ok, if not very long.
it is when i'm putting my clothes back on that i notice that someone has been through my pants during the moments we were in the shower with the bathroom door closed: my wallet is still there, but most of the bills are missing, as well as some other money i had put in various other pockets, around 100 us dollars in all. the bike guy of course refuses to understand what i'm talking about, and perhaps there is a 1% chance that he actually is innocent and not in on the scam, but with a bunch of his more obnoxious friends around i'm not in a position to argue very strongly, but just shake my head and realize i've been had, and by a classic trick at that. (i know, i know: never carry that much money and never let your clothes out of sight, but i hadn't been planning on going out debauching at all, and most of the money was still in my pockets simply because i had forgotten to take it out.)
anyway, the guy did drive me back, and said he was sad too, because "if my customers are not happy, it is not good for my business."
indeed
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[QUOTE=Porklobster]I was just the victim of a classic scam on my last night in Hanoi. [/QUOTE]
So, did you pay the $20?
[QUOTE=Johndao]So, did you pay the $20?[/QUOTE]Yes I did, upfront, at the very beginning. It was only afterwards that I was robbed.
The girl must definitely have been in on it, but was still quite nice and friendly to me - a good actress, I guess. As for the others, apart from the motorbike guy there were at least two other guys, but there seemed to be plenty of people in the other rooms as well so it was impossible to point out anyone in particular with absolute certainty as the guilty party. Most likely, they were all in on it.
And what could I have done? Running to the police at midnight, claiming that I had been robbed by a prostitute and her pimps?
Ah well. It's another lesson in life.
[QUOTE=Porklobster]Yes I did, upfront, at the very beginning. It was only afterwards that I was robbed.
The girl must definitely have been in on it, but was still quite nice and friendly to me - a good actress, I guess. As for the others, apart from the motorbike guy there were at least two other guys, but there seemed to be plenty of people in the other rooms as well so it was impossible to point out anyone in particular with absolute certainty as the guilty party. Most likely, they were all in on it.
And what could I have done? Running to the police at midnight, claiming that I had been robbed by a prostitute and her pimps?
Ah well. It's another lesson in life.[/QUOTE]Thanks for sharing that tough experience. Morale: If you deal with touts, the girl comes to you - not you to her. Follow that rule and you eliminate more than 50 percent of the bad prostitute experiences in Vietnam.
[QUOTE=The Guy]Thanks for sharing that tough experience. Morale: If you deal with touts, the girl comes to you - not you to her. Follow that rule and you eliminate more than 50 percent of the bad prostitute experiences in Vietnam.[/QUOTE]
Gotta go to Hanoi and an ISG member I know pretty much told me to take a Thai or Filipina with me as the action is lacking or risky.
So... how is the tout delivery to your hotel? Worth it or not.
Hi guys,
Just an udate on the scene at Fortuna hotel KTV located the basement. Good scene. Don't agree for a girl to sit with you. You need to pay for her drinks. Ask a waiter and a young mamsen (madam) will come and sit next to you almost on top of you and ask what you want. Tell her! (not bad adds to the mood! ) If you agree to the costs, it will cost you approx 170. 180 US $ for a girl of your choice + room at the hotel. You need to pay another about US $ 35 for the drinks.compulsory. If you are OK the girls skimpily dressed will be brought in and paraded for you, don't be in a hurry. Take your time and ask for more. Another lot is brought in. Once you select a room is arranged and you go in. Girl follows a little later. Depending on the girl you do your thing. I found to be very cooperative, fake organism etc etc but willing to her best. What ever you want. Not bad! Good selection too. Can recommend for a night out!
[QUOTE=Marsh123]Hi guys,
Just an udate on the scene at Fortuna hotel KTV located the basement. Good scene. Don't agree for a girl to sit with you. You need to pay for her drinks. Ask a waiter and a young mamsen (madam) will come and sit next to you almost on top of you and ask what you want. Tell her! (not bad adds to the mood! ) If you agree to the costs, it will cost you approx 170. 180 US $ for a girl of your choice + room at the hotel. You need to pay another about US $ 35 for the drinks.compulsory. If you are OK the girls skimpily dressed will be brought in and paraded for you, don't be in a hurry. Take your time and ask for more. Another lot is brought in. Once you select a room is arranged and you go in. Girl follows a little later. Depending on the girl you do your thing. I found to be very cooperative, fake organism etc etc but willing to her best. What ever you want. Not bad! Good selection too. Can recommend for a night out![/QUOTE]200 USD? I'm not a cheap charlie but jesus christ I can get a filipina or a thai girl for a week for that rate. Add some airfare of course...
Guess it's BYOB (bring your own bimbo / bar girl / or ***** you add the word of your choice :D ) for me next month for my conference in Hanoi...
While staying at the Metropole one night I took a walk down Ngo Quyen past the park and found a place with a neon Sauna Massage sign. Went in and paid 200,000 VND and took a shower. After the shower a good looking VN girl comes in and starts giving me a massage. Eventially she started working on my but, I flipped and we began negotiating.
I had thought I had more money that I realized and she made me empty my pockets and looked in my shoes and finally agreed to give me a handjob for 70,000 VND which was all I had on me. ( It was my first time in VN and I brought several 10,000 VND notes and a 50,000 VND note mistakenly thinking the 10k were 100k.)
I had wanted to go back and give her a better tip and negotiate for full service but I was unable to get back to that place before I left.
[quote=porklobster]i was just the victim of a classic scam on my last night in hanoi. as i was walking around the old quarter around 10.30 tonight, thinking of whether to get a final drink or whether to call it a day (hanoi closes rather early), a guy comes up on a motorbike, calling "want boom-boom? 20 dollars? young girl. 15 dollars?" first i ignore him, but as he follows me i think, what the hell, it's my final night here so let's go. off we go on his bike at daredevil speed across the bridge and into (for me) uncharted territories to a rather seedy backstreet motel, where a girl is waiting. she is neither that young nor that pretty, really, but not too bad either, and she has a nice smile and for the price she is quite ok. the price, however, is now back to 20 dollars, but that is including the room and the drive back. fair enough, i thought.
we undress and go into the shower, where she washes me surprisingly thoroughly and then back to the bed. i ask her if she has a condom, but apparently she hasn't so she makes a call on her mobile and a rubber deliverer appears only seconds later. sex is bbbj followed by cowgirl and mish, and again quite ok, if not very long.
it is when i'm putting my clothes back on that i notice that someone has been through my pants during the moments we were in the shower with the bathroom door closed: my wallet is still there, but most of the bills are missing, as well as some other money i had put in various other pockets, around 100 us dollars in all. the bike guy of course refuses to understand what i'm talking about, and perhaps there is a 1% chance that he actually is innocent and not in on the scam, but with a bunch of his more obnoxious friends around i'm not in a position to argue very strongly, but just shake my head and realize i've been had, and by a classic trick at that. (i know, i know: never carry that much money and never let your clothes out of sight, but i hadn't been planning on going out debauching at all, and most of the money was still in my pockets simply because i had forgotten to take it out.)
anyway, the guy did drive me back, and said he was sad too, because "if my customers are not happy, it is not good for my business."
indeed
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unfortuate to hear this scam/theft is now happening in viet. as well. this practice orginally started in cambodia (pp)--read back on some of my post there as i'm a veteran monger there. only difference here is that the touts are on motobikes in viet and in pp they just try to rush you into their houses as you walk by. but once inside its the same scam.
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My last day in Hanoi. I checked out of the hotel at noon but my GF wasn’t coming to get me to take me to the airport until 5 PM so I had some time to kill. Surfed the Internet in the lobby, got something to eat, shopped a little and still had plenty of time so I decided to try the VIP massage place at the hotel. I’d seen some girls that worked there walking around or standing outside and while none of them were outstanding they were OK. Went in, the 1-hour VIP was 400,000, taken to a room, actually it was nice with a shower and a tub, waited a few minutes and a young girl came in. She was wearing a loose fitting top and pants uniform, really cute in the face, a little overweight for a Viet girl but it gave her boobs and a butt, she didn’t speak a word of English.
She started filling the tub, left to get her supplies, came back and got everything ready, asked me to take off my clothes, she hung them up, told me to get in the tub, asked if I wanted my hair washed, didn’t really need that but I was going to use up the whole hour so I told her OK, shampoo then cream rinse then rinse, while sitting in the tub she washed my body front and back, had me stand up and washed my lower half, nothing exciting but she got me clean, rinse, dried me off and off the massage table.
Again I was in no hurry so I let her massage away while keeping my hands to myself. Actually the massage was good but by the way she was placing herself and my hands I could tell she was waiting for me to make a move, I didn’t. After the flip and some more massage she got down to it, she placed my hand on her leg close to her crotch and started rubbing my privates, I did the same to her, unbuttoned her top, lifted her bra, slid her pants down and then we were off to the races.
Not much in the kissing, the BBBJ was nice, she enjoyed having her tits sucked, her on top until she got used to an American dick, switched to me on top and because she was so tight it didn’t take me long to finish, we rested, we showered together, we dried each other off, she helped me get dressed, I gave her 200,000, she was happy, and a $2.00 bill, she really like that, she took my hand and walked me to the door and gave me a little kiss good-bye.
I was happy and killed an hour then back to the lobby to wait for my GF to pick me up.
Mike
At this point in my travels I was worn out and tired so decided to change plans and just go to BKK to rest up for my trip to the Philippines to meet some friends on the 1st.
I contacted a few girls/ladies but only got a few replies, my profile is very clear that I’m only looking for fun, that’s why I keep getting deleted.
One reply that looked promising, although there wasn’t a photo on her profile, was from Fast Car, I later learned her name was Huong and why she didn’t post a photo. We exchanged a few messages on DIA, set up a time, 2 PM, to get together, gave her my hotel info and she showed up right on time. Things got a little tense before she arrived because my 2 collage GF’s showed up unannounced at noon to surprise me, it was a surprise and while it was great to see them again I had to come up with some excuse to get them to leave before Huong arrived, I got them out just in time.
Huong came in, OK looking face and body, dressed cute in a short little dress, then she took off her helmet, she had some weird haircut and this kind of yellowish orange colored hair, weird if you ask me.
We talked a minute and then she cut to the chase and said she offers tour guide, help finding clubs and nightspots around the city, translating and if someone doesn’t need those services she offers sex too. I told her I didn’t need any of those services, how is the sex? She said she always uses protection and the service depends on the chemistry.
Chemistry huh, well I really like having more of a girlfriend experience, explained GFE and asked if she would call her service like that, she said she would try but couldn’t promise it, OK how much?, she said 50 USD, I wasn’t really into her so I thanked her for coming by and wished her luck, she said how about 30, I gave her some BS story and told her that I’ve found that when a girl lowers her price the service gets lowered too and because she wasn’t a GFE at 50 it wasn’t what I was interested in. She moaned and groaned, asked for money for the motorbike, I gave her some and showed her the door.
And besides, one of my collage girls was coming back at 5.
Mike
Before I got to Hanoi I took a look at CraigsList and after checking out the Erotic section, nothing that required an email to set-up, I checked out the Casual Encounter section and saw this ad:
"Nice, educated and funny single young girl, who is looking for someone being gentleman, respectful, easy going, being mature, but also enjoy life and have lot of sense of humour.
I am BBW with nice boobs, chubby and not skinny like most Asian ladies.
I'm down to earth kind of person, loving, caring, honesty, easy going, easy to talk to, funny at times and can be serious sometimes
Im here not just for sex but I want a friend with benefits, who I can have conversations with, enjoy each other company in and out of bed.
I'm just here for friends and fun, NO serious conversations, please. Don't bragging, I don't like exaggerater. No need to show off how smart you are and I hate stingy guy.
As I am so full of passions I'd love to be kissed, cuddle and feel your passions as well.
Contact me for face pic or cam if you are in Hanoi or have plan to travel by.
Once again I am chubby Viet lady so if you like skinny brown Viet girl, please don't bother to contact me.
PS1: I don't do sexphone or cybersex so don't bother to ask.
PS2: Fishing email, copy and paste email will not get any reply from me
Location: Ha Noi"
I replied with an email but it came back as undeliverable.
So, coping the text of her ad, I posted my own ad, “Where is the "Tasty Yummy Girl" I want to get together with you! - m4w - 57 (Hanoi)” looking for her. A few days later I got a reply from someone that said she was Tasty, you never know and it wasn’t important as long as she met what Tasty wrote.
We exchanged a few email, she sounded nasty, and when I got to Hanoi we talked on the phone. I asked what she was offering / wanted, she said she has 2 offerings, 1. Go shopping, lunch/dinner, drinks and spend some time together. 2. She’d come to my hotel and fuck the hell out of me for a few hours. I told her I wasn’t interested in shopping because I didn’t need anything, so how much is option 2? She said 100, I asked 100,000 Dong? LOL No, 100 USD and “promised” the best sex I’d ever had, yea right. But she sounded fun and interesting so I told her we’d talk about the price and a time later because I had some things to do, I have 2 collage girls I met and did last year, and would get back to her.
We talked a couple more times but we never got together during my 4 days in Hanoi, my collage girl friends kept me busy with sightseeing and they did need help with school funds.
I have her number and email address but I will have to email her and ask if it’s OK to give out her information. If you want to give her a try send me a PM.
Mike
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]My last day in Hanoi. and still had plenty of time so I decided to try the VIP massage place at the hotel. I’d seen some girls that worked there walking around or standing outside and while none of them were outstanding they were OK. Went in, the 1-hour VIP was 400,000, taken to a room, actually it was nice with a shower and a tub, waited a few minutes and a young girl came in. She was wearing a loose fitting top and pants uniform, really cute in the face, a little overweight for a Viet girl but it gave her boobs and a butt, she didn’t speak a word of English.
She started filling the tub, left to get her supplies, came back and got everything ready, asked me to take off my clothes, she hung them up, told me to get in the tub, asked if I wanted my hair washed, didn’t really need that but I was going to use up the whole hour so I told her OK, shampoo then cream rinse then rinse, while sitting in the tub she washed my body front and back, had me stand up and washed my lower half, nothing exciting but she got me clean, rinse, dried me off and off the massage table.
Again I was in no hurry so I let her massage away while keeping my hands to myself. Actually the massage was good but by the way she was placing herself and my hands I could tell she was waiting for me to make a move, I didn’t. After the flip and some more massage she got down to it, she placed my hand on her leg close to her crotch and started rubbing my privates, I did the same to her, unbuttoned her top, lifted her bra, slid her pants down and then we were off to the races.
Not much in the kissing, the BBBJ was nice, she enjoyed having her tits sucked, her on top until she got used to an American dick, switched to me on top and because she was so tight it didn’t take me long to finish, we rested, we showered together, we dried each other off, she helped me get dressed, I gave her 200,000, she was happy[/QUOTE]
Nice score Mike. First I've heard of FS Hotel Massage in VN. Anybody else with any experience, locations?
JD
[QUOTE=Pinkcloud]Hi Mike,
As far as I know, fast car said to me that you didn't give her anny money for motorbike taxi although she lost her time to come to see you, and she was little dispointed, anny way she enjoyed meeting you and having a little conversation talking.[/QUOTE]
I stand corrected. After looking at my notes again I see that I did not give Huong any money at all.
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]
Huong came in, OK looking face and body, dressed cute in a short little dress, then she took off her helmet, she had some weird haircut and this kind of yellowish orange colored hair, weird if you ask me.
We talked a minute and then she cut to the chase and said she offers tour guide, help finding clubs and nightspots around the city, translating and if someone doesn’t need those services she offers sex too. I told her I didn’t need any of those services, how is the sex? She said she always uses protection and the service depends on the chemistry.
Chemistry huh, well I really like having more of a girlfriend experience, explained GFE and asked if she would call her service like that, she said she would try but couldn’t promise it, OK how much?, she said 50 USD, I wasn’t really into her so I thanked her for coming by and wished her luck, she said how about 30, I gave her some BS story and told her that I’ve found that when a girl lowers her price the service gets lowered too and because she wasn’t a GFE at 50 it wasn’t what I was interested in. She moaned and groaned, asked for money for the motorbike, I gave her some and showed her the door.
Mike[/QUOTE]
I used both services and it was satisfactory. I think you made the right decision about GFE. I paid the fee to give BFE and it wasn't reciprocal. LOL
One of the things I enjoyed most about visiting Hanoi a couple of years ago was the massive pussy hair on relatively young girls. That turns me on. Anyway if any guys know of an email for a contact like that 18-25 age then I would be grateful.
Cheers / AW
My experience in hanoi's MPs was quite disappointing.
I entered a couple of them, both on AU CO.
This is a very long street along the river, full of nice beer-place, cafe, massage places and restaurants.
I was going around on a rented scooter, and in the section where down on one side there are several antique shops and MPs I spotted several other foregneirs on their scooter. I thought of some other tourists, expats or other better informed mongers. So, here we go, I said.
I entered a nice clean place. The scooter guards was eager to let me in, and inside a very nice girl welcomed me. Iced tea, smiles, chose the menu, chose the girls, giggling and so on, everything seemed good.
To make the story short, I chose the most expensive massage, oil, full body. The girl was very good, she asked me if I wanted strong or soft. My private parts stayed all the time under the towels, I tried to touch her, and she very politely small moved away, I didn't insist.
No big problem for me, as I have got, both the time, a very good, very relaxing, strong healthy massage, I think I fell asleep too, and waked up brand new. But sexually unsatisfied.
To summon up, not in every MP there is our course on the menu.
Enjoy
I forgot to say that on AU CO street there are a few restaurants serving dog.
Instead of going to MPs in hanoi, the action is in houses and hotel at the intersection between AU CO and CAU THANG LONG, just under the bridge on the east corner. Very pretty young girls. And very hot available mamasan. 40k dong for the house and I gave 100k to the girls.
Went there 2 times, basic room, complete service, BBBJ, and available BBFS.
The third time the girls asked "why you no go with mamasan? ", 30 something, big full breast, very hot, open to everything, long and passionate oral and sex (all bb). She only wanted 40k for room.
Enjoy
Actually I am not really speaking of SWs.
But, all over along CAU THANG LONG, the first 2-3 kms from the river bridge, apart for the plenty of hotels and house offering young girls for "masssage" there are several tens of open room, just on the street.
In front of these rooms there are sexy dressed girls, calling you as soon as you look at them.
I indulged maybe to 10 of them, in a few days.
Some are chubby, some very thin, some 30-40 years old, some too young to be legal in any country. There are girls type for any taste. And the price is always only 100k dong. (maybe if you speak some of the language, that I don't, or if you are asian, thet I am not, the price is even cheaper).
The price is standard, the place is almost standard (in every room you enter with the scooter, close the front door and go a room on the back, upstairs or in the side, with a bed and a small water to clean.
But the service is not standard at all. Some girls directly go to FS, some girls looked strange as I wanted the condom, some other girls just knee down to blow you till completion.
It is nice way to spend a 20 minutes, it will not be the fuck of your life, but still you go out with empty nuts and 5usd less.
Most of the girls are available in the afternoon, from 3-4 to 7-8, but you can find some in the morning too, or later in the evening too.
Example to follow
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1. 11 o'clock in the morning. West side
Seated in front of her house is a girl, she calls me. Get the scooter in, close the door, she signs 100k dong, no english at all.
On the chubby side, but young and smiling. Washed my dick and put me in the bed. Take off her nice vietnamese flowery pijama to show a chubby fatty naked body. Nice bbblowjob while I am seated on the bed and she knees on the ground. As I hold her head to go deeper, she begins making some sound. I stop, she ask to continue and moaning with pleasure.
Turns out to be a very submissive little sex slave, moanign with pleasure as I hold her head and facefuck her, slap her back, legs, face and even pussy, spit on her very funny and surprising. She didn't have any condom, and I had ti fight to wear mine. Left very happy, with her young big body red of slaps and white of sperm.
2. Afternoon. A house with girls. West side I spot a 20 something girl in sexy outfit. She turns out to be the mamasan and not available. The girls are 3, I go with one, she get naked to show the smallest breast, nice fit body I encounterd in a working girl till now. Big eyes, small pretty mouth. I am afraid to ask how old she could be. Very tight pussy, no anal, no oral, no kiss.
Come back to the same place, had an older girl, same basic service.
3. East side, near a very big internet cafe.
Older ladies. Lay on a bench-table, BBBJ till completion, naked tits to rub and available ass and pussy to finger.
4. East side
Same BBBJ basic service. Went beside a curtain. She get down on her knees, both of us still dressed. She blowed and licked like that till I came in the ground. For a second a baby came in to take a small school bag. Weird!
5. East side too
A chubby lady takes me inside. I lay on a bed, from the side she bbblow me very good. She gives her pussy and ass to my touching hand. But she says her breast is milking. For another 50k dong I lick and drink her milk, and get my dick drenched in it, for a long and weird blowjob.
These were only the most remarkable experiences. The others were standard as you can imagine.
I was surprised on the hanoi forum thread there is no mention of this amazing possibility.
BEWARE! Hygienical conditions were terrible.
Enjoy
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[QUOTE=Mikle]Actually I am not really speaking of SWs.
But, all over along CAU THANG LONG, the first 2-3 kms from the river bridge, apart for the plenty of hotels and house offering young girls for "masssage" there are several tens of open room, just on the street.
[/blue][/size][/QUOTE]Hello,
I'm new to Hanoi.
I'm searching for some action, but all I could find is massage places.
Where is Cau Tang Long, I"ve a found a street in the old quarters but I don't think it's there.
I'm trying to search the cau thang street
is it here:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=CAU+THANG+LONG%3B+hanoi&sll=21.038384,105.850503&sspn=0.092606,0.208569&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=C%E1%BA%A7u+Th%C4%83ng+Long,+Vietnam&ll=21.100716,105.797181&spn=0.023142,0.052142&t=h&z=15[/url]
[QUOTE=Daikon Man]I'm trying to search the cau thang street
Is it here:
[url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=CAU+THANG+LONG%3B+hanoi&sll=21.038384,105.850503&sspn=0.092606,0.208569&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=C%E1%BA%A7u+Th%C4%83ng+Long,+Vietnam&ll=21.100716,105.797181&spn=0.023142,0.052142&t=h&z=15[/url][/QUOTE]Yes, yes, it is this.
Looking at the map I meant the part of the street down of the river (starting from the end of the river bridge itself to the first 3-4 km, on both sides of the street). The upper part of the street (other side of the river) is just family houses and massage places.
Don't expect anything clean and fashion. It is row sex, different quality, dirty rooms, some ugly some cute girls, but very very cheap.
The kind of wild dark side of our hobby.
I noticed now that the CAU THANG LONG street is turning very soon its name as PHAM VAN DONG.
Going on the street with your skooter you can't have it wrong, as it is a very big main road, full of traffic and trucks.
[QUOTE=Daikon Man]Hello,
I'm new to Hanoi.
I'm searching for some action, but all I could find is massage places.
Where is Cau Tang Long, I've a found a street in the old quarters but I don't think it's there.[/QUOTE]
That's the Thang Long Bridge. Part of the 'highway' on the way to the airport. The very long bridge. 'Cau' means 'bridge' in VNese.
JD
Went to Hanoi and I'm used to the talent in HCMC, went to Haolong Bay then our tour guide and driver said they knew many places for boom boom so on the way back to Hanoi we stopped by one place off the highway, Saw 6 girls playing cards in regular street wear, a couple of doable but we were looking to hit the Boss Club for better talent.
Got back to Hanoi and went to the Boss Club and driver told us that the police just ran the place and all the girls were at a different location "the waiting room" so we went there. The whole goal was to get a girl to my hotel w/o paying the BS fees at the door and in the club. Then was told they could not go out until 11:30PM, so I waited but the driver wanted to take me to Cao Thang street to have me look at talent there.
It's fine to go there to find a 6 to bang but the accomadations at these hotels are pretty dirty. Didn't see anything I liked, it was 10:30pm already and many of these girls had to be waken up. Didn't like the fact I would have to go at it with a half sleeping girl so I left. Went back to boss and the driver went in to ask for girls, then the people at the club told a different story saying I had to go in first, but admission was free. But, it was $30 to sit with a girl and $5 for beer. The club people asked what I was looking for and they told me no service to go outside. WTF, i'm sure if you ask a girl they would go out but no knowing if I paid the money to go outside and having a gurantee I could take someone home, i passed.
So last resort, motorbike girls. The buddy I was with found a girl and we headed back to our hotel I found nothing and decided to save my mula for another day. But the girl my buddy had said she had a nice looking girlfriend, so i went for it.
She was a 7 with a tight box. I was satisfied. but getting action was a tough job and not many places to go.
I heard a report about someone paying $180 for a girl and I told our driver we only wanted to pay $100 max/ per threads we researched here, but then he explained how some are more expensive than others. So the deal is every girl is given a number 1-however many girls they are. To keep things fair, it is like a queue where number 1 gets to go out with a customer first and it is supposed to be a $100 rate, but if you want a girl that is number #50, you pay more. Basically it is to pay to jump the queue ahead of other girls.
Not sure if this is true but that is what our driver said.
Anyone going to Hanoi should read this board, but I got to say, I did that and there wasn't much good news to find.
Now back in HCMC and found a gem at a bar. Didn't have to deal with any bullshit, with sitting fees and outrageous alcohol fees.
Happy Hunting.
[QUOTE=ReallyaNiceGuy]I stand corrected. After looking at my notes again I see that I did not give Huong any money at all.[/QUOTE]
I think you did the right thing by not going with fast car. She is pretty much the opposite of a GFE. She's not sensuous in the least. She treated me with all the sensitivity and sexuality you might expect from a baggage handler picking up a suitcase. That's not so surprising, but what did surprise me was her lack of experience in bed. If I didn't know better I'd assume she was brand new to the job.
In addition, she likes to play games with money, as many people do here. She'll name outrageous prices if you let her. It was annoying to have her go immediately to my mini bar and open an (overpriced) water, and then take a tiny sip and not touch the rest of the water. If you want to drink from my overpriced mini bar, can't you at least be thirsty?
She also lacks even basic tact. I told her to be discrete when walking through my hotel lobby. I reminded her of this several times. But sure enough, she walks through the lobby and says to me fairly loudly "If you want sex again give me a call." 1 - It's obvious and doesn't need to be said. 2 - She had already told me that just 2 minutes before.
In short, I think she just has no clue how to do her job.
In case you haven't figured it out yet, she used to go by the name of intellegent on DIA. She got too many people writing her, so deleted that account and set up a new one. She reads this forum - probably more often than I do. I have no doubt that she's read everything we've said and will read this too.
Check out the massage option at the Saigon Hotel diagonally opposite Pacific Place on Ly Thuong Kiet. Ticket is US$10 for the massage.
Ask for Mai. She does a great massage with a lot of teasing. Finished off with a fabulous HJ - left a 200K VND tip. She also offered to meet at a short time hotel for Boom Boom but the language barrier is likely to be insurmountable.
Also saw an attractive looking skinny number on my way out so will definitely be back.
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]
It was annoying to have her go immediately to my mini bar and open an (overpriced) water, and then take a tiny sip and not touch the rest of the water. If you want to drink from my overpriced mini bar, can't you at least be thirsty?[/QUOTE]
I can't count how many times this has happened to me. Like you said, at least drink what you take.
[QUOTE=Adhome01]I can't count how many times this has happened to me. Like you said, at least drink what you take.[/QUOTE]
I've had many working girls tell me this is just a test.
Test if you are a push over or not and / or if you are a cheap charlie or not.
Some think if they can get to the minibar then you are a push over and they can pretty much control you. Other think if they can get to the minibar then you are not a cheap charlie and you will pay them well so they can ask for higher prices or such.
On the down side I've had one girl tell me if she got to the minibar with the guy then she thought he was not a cheap guy and probably nice person so she would give him good service.
So it is weird how different working girls look at it differently.
I always have a stop off at a 7/11 or market and buy some drinks before checking into the hotel. I've had some girls open the mini bar fridge but I've always told them if they want something just ask, Don't be helping yourself otherwise it will be coming out of your fee. I also offer them drinks that I've bought outside of the hotel. I like to treat the girls with some kindness but if they try to pull shit over me then they will be treated accordingly.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]I always have a stop off at a 7/11 or market and buy some drinks before checking into the hotel. I've had some girls open the mini bar fridge but I've always told them if they want something just ask, Don't be helping yourself otherwise it will be coming out of your fee. I also offer them drinks that I've bought outside of the hotel. I like to treat the girls with some kindness but if they try to pull shit over me then they will be treated accordingly.[/QUOTE]
There's actually more to the story that this reminds me of. I met her at a cafe before going to the hotel. We started to talk about payment there, and when talking about money she mentioned the cost of getting here from her house and how much the water cost at the cafe we were in.
"What water?" I asked.
She pointed to 2 glasses of tapwater that were on the table next to us. (She had been sitting there before I came in.) I didn't even realize she'd gotten them for us. I never drink Hanoi tapwater and certainly wasn't going to touch it. I didn't see her drink any either. I explained to her how absurd it was what she was saying, since neither of us had touched it and I hadn't even asked for it. She laughed and seemed to agree.
These little petty money games involving water probably were her testing my reaction. It's a very short sighted strategy. On the one hand she gets to feel like she can squeeze a few thousand more dong out of me. On the other hand the extra hassle and silly games makes me less likely to give her more business. End result: she misses out on hundreds of thousands of dong.
Brothers, have been to Hoa Binh Hotel on Ly Thuong Kiet and can guarantee a hand job is always on the table. Massage ticket is 110K VND and tip for HJ depends on your negotiation skills - 100 - 200K VND
There's another interesting option in Hang Chui off Tran Hung Dao. From Tran Hung Dao cross the Karaoke place on the left and come to the MP on the right. Forget the name of the place but it has a glowing sign. Ticket is 200K. Unlike most other places, you do not pay upfront, but pay after the massage. Also the doors are sliding and do not have the frosted windows so anything short of FS goes. Most girls here do not even do a pretence of a massage, preferring to slap you on the back a few times before turning you over and getting to business. I was allocated Nguyen - maybe a 6 / 10 but what she lacked in looks, she made up for in enthusiasm. 2 BJs in 45 minutes with great technique but no CIM. Also allowed to liberally feel her up as she loosened her top and bottom. She will not strip. Tipped her 200K and she was happy - later found out thats the standard tip but most girls will only blow you once. A word of warning - the place is not very clean - the usual wet tissues for wiping. But its the closest place near the Old Quarter where a BJ is always on the table. And 22$ for 2 BJs is pretty good value
[QUOTE=Bartchamdo]There's actually more to the story that this reminds me of. I met her at a cafe before going to the hotel. We started to talk about payment there, and when talking about money she mentioned the cost of getting here from her house and how much the water cost at the cafe we were in.
"What water?" I asked.
She pointed to 2 glasses of tapwater that were on the table next to us. (She had been sitting there before I came in.) I didn't even realize she'd gotten them for us. I never drink Hanoi tapwater and certainly wasn't going to touch it. I didn't see her drink any either. I explained to her how absurd it was what she was saying, since neither of us had touched it and I hadn't even asked for it. She laughed and seemed to agree.
These little petty money games involving water probably were her testing my reaction. It's a very short sighted strategy. On the one hand she gets to feel like she can squeeze a few thousand more dong out of me. On the other hand the extra hassle and silly games makes me less likely to give her more business. End result: she misses out on hundreds of thousands of dong.[/QUOTE]Fast car aka intelligent is a regular moterbike chick around Hanoi. Personally, I think she's scary ugly. She gets business due to the difficulty of those passing through Hanoi quickly to find anything easily. Those who are here for a longer time generally don't have any trouble, but it's a tough mongering city if you're just passing through.
Hello, Gentlemen.
I'm new to this forum and somewhat of a rookie when it comes to buying sex. I was curious about the Cau Thang Long women, I actually drove around there for two hours looking for some cute women to shout "Hello! " but it didn't happen. I was driving slowly, looking at ladies that I thought might be up for sale. I'm a young somewhat handsome boy so I don't think I scared them hehe.
Please tell me, how can I go about when I want a girl from there? Do I stop by the people sitting under the bridge at the crossing AN CO. Cau Thang Long?
To make it even clearer, its on the "Hanoi side" of the bridge, and the main street there? An co?
I'm really bad at this, but please give me some tips on how to go about finding the women over there.
Sincerely,
Niceguy
I am surprised people are having so much difficulty with this. Here are the directions clear as I can give them.
From the airport, take a cab / bus coming to town. Once the bus crosses the Thang Long bridge, keep going straight towards Hang Quoc Viet instead of taking the right towards Au Co. On your left on the opposite side of the road, you will pass a number of open doors, with the girls outside. Have never sampled whats on offer but pass this way everytime I get into Hanoi and head to town from the airport. Hope this helps.
[QUOTE=Niceguy4]Hello, Gentlemen.
I'm new to this forum and somewhat of a rookie when it comes to buying sex. I was curious about the Cau Thang Long women, I actually drove around there for two hours looking for some cute women to shout "Hello! " but it didn't happen. I was driving slowly, looking at ladies that I thought might be up for sale. I'm a young somewhat handsome boy so I don't think I scared them hehe.
Please tell me, how can I go about when I want a girl from there? Do I stop by the people sitting under the bridge at the crossing AN CO. Cau Thang Long?
To make it even clearer, its on the "Hanoi side" of the bridge, and the main street there? An co?
I'm really bad at this, but please give me some tips on how to go about finding the women over there.
Sincerely,
Niceguy[/QUOTE]
She had a smile on her face in the beginning and I got a nice tour of the city and Halong Bay and a little sex. In the end she wasn't happy when I didn't want to play that game any more.
Bring a girl with you... that's the best advice I got for anyone. I'm in hanoi for a conference, meet up with an ISG lurker who works here last night for dinner to thank him for telling me to bring a girl with me.
I ended up bringing a lady from lao (who I meet in Thailand) for the 10 days I'm here working and it has been great. While the Vietnamese ladies some are sexy as hell, there is shit to be had for mongering and not going to pay 200 USD for a an hour or whatever. 200 USD got me the lao lady for 10 days.
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I was last week in Hanoi for work. One day I felt tired due to whole day meetings and went out seeking for a MP.
Asked a taxi driver where one can have a nice massage. He said there is lots of MP in the Giang Vo Street in Ba Dinh District. Asked him to drive me to there. He stopped at a MP joint at hotel Dong Do.
The MP is at 3rd or 4th floor; don’t remember exactly but there is a sign at the entrance showing you the way. Went up and paid 180K VND for 2 hours massage.
A boy led me to a room, quite small with a bed and a table. Inside the room there is a tiny bathroom with a steam bath. In 0 second a girl appeared. She looked quite cute, long hair, big eyes. I was happy with her and let her in.
I went to the steam bath for about 10 min. The Vietnamese steam bath always uses some herb leaves (citron grass), which is very aromatic and refreshing at the same time.
After the steam bath, she came into the bath room and bathed me. I was taking a site on the chair while she washed my whole body thoroughly.
Dried up myself and went to the bed for the massage. She did her job very good. I did really enjoy her massage. Her strength was strong enough. She started with my back and bit by bit changing to the front side. It was not her intention to perform any sexual actions. She even did not touch my dick. I then asked her to massage my dick. She moved her hands to it and teased it with the up and down movement. It was sensational to enjoy her HJ. After a while I was unable to hold and release every drop.
Cleaned myself and tip her 200K VND.
She gave me her phone number and I called her that night. Met her at a budget mini hotel somewhere close to the Westlake and had a very enjoyable sex experience with her.
She name was Tuyen. She is from Southern part of Vietnam.
[QUOTE=Popp Master]She gave me her phone number and I called her that night. Met her at a budget mini hotel somewhere close to the Westlake and had a very enjoyable sex experience with her.
She name was Tuyen. She is from Southern part of Vietnam.[/QUOTE]It sounds great. How much was the sex experience? How long did she stay?
Any pics of this girl?
[QUOTE=Milkweed]It sounds great. How much was the sex experience? How long did she stay?[/QUOTE]She stayed the whole night with me. I gave her 700K in the morning before we departed. Think it was reasonable although I have not mongered for a while in Vietnam, so do not know the price.
Unfortunately, I did not have my camara with me so was unable to take a pic from her.
[QUOTE=The Guy]Fast car aka intelligent is a regular moterbike chick around Hanoi. Personally, I think she's scary ugly. She gets business due to the difficulty of those passing through Hanoi quickly to find anything easily. Those who are here for a longer time generally don't have any trouble, but it's a tough mongering city if you're just passing through.[/QUOTE]Just to add to this "Fast car/Intellegent" thread.
I saw her come in to Highlands Coffee Shop in the G Floor of Hanoi Tower one day and sought out a guy who had obviously lined her up ot meet her there. She looked "scary ugly", and that orange colored/ basin haircut she has makes her very conspicuous. I watched the dude try to schmooze her with a large fancy-looking iced coffee plus other food stuff and then after around 10 minutes he suddenly got up and left looking pissed off. She sat there for a while looking around, including giving me a smile and an eyebrow raise (I didn't take the bait) and then she left on her bike, leaving all the stuff he bought for her untouched.
I would stay well away from her.
[QUOTE=Red Kilt]Just to add to this "Fast car/Intellegent" thread.
I saw her come in to Highlands Coffee Shop in the G Floor of Hanoi Tower one day and sought out a guy who had obviously lined her up ot meet her there. She looked "scary ugly", and that orange colored/ basin haircut she has makes her very conspicuous. I watched the dude try to schmooze her with a large fancy-looking iced coffee plus other food stuff and then after around 10 minutes he suddenly got up and left looking pissed off. She sat there for a while looking around, including giving me a smile and an eyebrow raise (I didn't take the bait) and then she left on her bike, leaving all the stuff he bought for her untouched.
I would stay well away from her.[/QUOTE]Well who is the bigger fool, her or the dude trying to romance or schmooze a hooker, a scary ugly one at that. If she is a hooker the only thing they understand is cash, and until proven otherwise I keep it a commercial transaction, I will gift some girls who voluntarily transcend the punter/hooker relationship.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken]Well who is the bigger fool, her or the dude trying to romance or schmooze a hooker, a scary ugly one at that. If she is a hooker the only thing they understand is cash, and until proven otherwise I keep it a commercial transaction, I will gift some girls who voluntarily transcend the punter/hooker relationship.[/QUOTE]
I agree about anyone duluded enough to try to romance a hooker. I connected with her on Dateinasia and she was a great tour guide. I enjoyed her laughter at breakfast our first day. The sex was extra and she was unable to transition to the GFE service that I enjoy. I will let you decide if she is scary ugly.
I tried "Intellegent" at the begining of the year and athough I agree that she not only looks odd but is indeed odd once she gets her kit off it starts to get a little better. I had a good time with her a lot of sucking and good fucking well worth it, however I must admit that I didn't go back in spite of her calling me occassionaly I think that it was her hair that put me off.
Guys
With all due respect, can we talk about something else? The topic of this girl has been beat to death for probably 2 months now.
:)
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Guys
With all due respect, can we talk about something else? The topic of this girl has been beat to death for probably 2 months now.
:)[/QUOTE]
After going there and having to go back shortly, not much else to talk about in Hanoi :D
You can take a girl with you or you can risk a motorbike taxi. After coming down with a little nasty I can tell you the pharmacies are fully stocked :D
[QUOTE=Bigfoot16] I will let you decide if she is scary ugly.[/QUOTE]
Looks like Steve Urkle
[QUOTE=Phantomtiger2]Unfortuate to hear this scam/theft is now happening in Viet. as well. This practice orginally started in Cambodia (PP)--read back on some of my post there as I'm a veteran monger there. Only difference here is that the touts are on motobikes in Viet and in PP they just try to rush you into their houses as you walk by. But once inside its the same scam.
PT[/QUOTE]Happened to me last night in Saigon/Ho Chi Minh, lost USD540 (no joke, I just arrived yesterday). I was mad like hell, she sped off as soon as I found out. The door wasn't locked, and I knew I'd been had. This really ruins my mood here, will be leaving for Hanoi tomorrow, screw Saigon.
[QUOTE=JamesBonks]Happened to me last night in Saigon/Ho Chi Minh, lost USD540 (no joke, I just arrived yesterday). I was mad like hell, she sped off as soon as I found out. The door wasn't locked, and I knew I'd been had. This really ruins my mood here, will be leaving for Hanoi tomorrow, screw Saigon.[/QUOTE]Guys,
I'll be brutally honest with you, back in 1997 when I was 19 I was a victim of this scam, now in 2010 if your still being scamed especially with the number of reported scams on the and other forums just like the thai gem scam, then you are and IDIOT, basically greedy and stupid, as it basically preys on the fact that a hot girl is offered for you for 20 bucks. And sham on you if your older than 19 as you should have better sense.
And frankly that stuff about it originating in Cambodia is a load of crap, the guys doing it in Cambodia are Vietnamese. There from the conflict wiuth the khemer rouge. So its going to happen anywhere, Saigon Hanoi Cambodia where ever there are unscrouplous guys taking advantage human stupidity.
here's the thread that jamesbonks is referring to:
[quote]originally posted by porklobster
i was just the victim of a classic scam on my last night in hanoi. as i was walking around the old quarter around 10.30 tonight, thinking of whether to get a final drink or whether to call it a day (hanoi closes rather early), a guy comes up on a motorbike, calling "want boom-boom? 20 dollars? young girl. 15 dollars?" first i ignore him, but as he follows me i think, what the hell, it's my final night here so let's go. off we go on his bike at daredevil speed across the bridge and into (for me) uncharted territories to a rather seedy backstreet motel, where a girl is waiting. she is neither that young nor that pretty, really, but not too bad either, and she has a nice smile and for the price she is quite ok. the price, however, is now back to 20 dollars, but that is including the room and the drive back. fair enough, i thought.
we undress and go into the shower, where she washes me surprisingly thoroughly and then back to the bed. i ask her if she has a condom, but apparently she hasn't so she makes a call on her mobile and a rubber deliverer appears only seconds later. sex is bbbj followed by cowgirl and mish, and again quite ok, if not very long.
it is when i'm putting my clothes back on that i notice that someone has been through my pants during the moments we were in the shower with the bathroom door closed: my wallet is still there, but most of the bills are missing, as well as some other money i had put in various other pockets, around 100 us dollars in all. the bike guy of course refuses to understand what i'm talking about, and perhaps there is a 1% chance that he actually is innocent and not in on the scam, but with a bunch of his more obnoxious friends around i'm not in a position to argue very strongly, but just shake my head and realize i've been had, and by a classic trick at that. (i know, i know: never carry that much money and never let your clothes out of sight, but i hadn't been planning on going out debauching at all, and most of the money was still in my pockets simply because i had forgotten to take it out.)
anyway, the guy did drive me back, and said he was sad too, because "if my customers are not happy, it is not good for my business."
indeed[/quote]it's worth repeating in its entirety as a lesson to those new to vietnam. this is a remarkably safe country, in general. however, the cardinal rule is: never, never go into a house that a tout or bike girl takes you to. do it in your hotel, do it in a neutral "nha nghi" (motel), do it in the massage parlor of a hotel - but not in a strange building.
i don't like touts. however, whenever i'm tempted to let a tout set me up, i tell him to bring the girl to my hotel room. that filters out the crooks. most hotels will allow in guests of any sort until 11pm. if i like the girl, i dismiss the tout and tell him to wait for her outisde on his bike.
finally, visitors to hanoi should rest assured that most massage parlor employees would not steal money out of a locker. at least, it's never happened to me in countless visits. but don't carry more than you intend to spend.
[QUOTE=The Guy]
It's worth repeating in its entirety as a lesson to those new to Vietnam. This is a remarkably safe country, in general. However, the cardinal rule is: Never, never go into a house that a tout or bike girl takes you to. Do it in your hotel, do it in a neutral "nha nghi" (motel), do it in the massage parlor of a hotel - but not in a strange building. [/QUOTE]
When people go on holidays they seem to leave their common sense at the airport.
Think about it, If you were in your home country and met a complete stranger offering whatever it is you were looking for cheaply,be it women, booze, drugs etc would you follow them? Chances are no. Yet countless people still do it overseas. If you must go to a place other than your hotel room do what one monger suggested, bring your clothes into the bathroom with you, bring your clothes out when you have finnished showering, roll your pants up and put them under your pillow. If the girl objects then that should be setting the alarm bells off.
[QUOTE=The Guy] Finally, visitors to Hanoi should rest assured that most massage parlor employees would not steal money out of a locker. At least, it's never happened to me in countless visits. But don't carry more than you intend to spend.[/QUOTE]
Most massage parlor's have the small zip up "bops"/ bag/pouch's for you to put your valuables in. If you can't see one ask. I've been to countless MP's and never had anyting go missing, Also I fold my pants in a particular way so I know if they have been touched, So far so good.
Be careful out there, in the end you are responsible for your safety
[QUOTE=MutantChicken]Guys,
I'll be brutally honest with you, back in 1997 when I was 19 I was a victim of this scam, now in 2010 if your still being scamed especially with the number of reported scams on the and other forums just like the thai gem scam, then you are and IDIOT, basically greedy and stupid, as it basically preys on the fact that a hot girl is offered for you for 20 bucks. And sham on you if your older than 19 as you should have better sense.
And frankly that stuff about it originating in Cambodia is a load of crap, the guys doing it in Cambodia are Vietnamese. There from the conflict wiuth the khemer rouge. So its going to happen anywhere, Saigon Hanoi Cambodia where ever there are unscrouplous guys taking advantage human stupidity.[/QUOTE]I would say the same to me, really f*cked up. I tried to bring to my hotel but wasn't allowed cause it was past midnite, being desperate and all, I gave in. I've gone thru this in Kuala Lumpur (lost RM1700 USD 500) in 2000. I tried to be as careful as I could but still shit happened.
I'm way over 19 and it a real shame.
Now, I got a good friend in Hanoi, he arranged for me thru a local website.
With FR from locals.
I selected a few from 3 starts to 5 stars (300k to 500k).
What could went wrong right?
He called the girls and they declined to come to Old Quarter, I took motorbike taxi (xe om) to town and to my dismay, most daily rate hostels are full and it's already too late. He apologize profusely and I had to take another motorbike ride for 20 minutes in the cold wind tonight, and I am sitting in front of the computer writing this instead of an FR. Can't believe my fate.
I'll be in Halong City tomorrow, wouldn't too much hope, alas I have to keep trying eh.
Cheers
[QUOTE=JamesBonks]I would say the same to me, really f*cked up. I tried to bring to my hotel but wasn't allowed cause it was past midnite, being desperate and all, I gave in. I've gone thru this in Kuala Lumpur (lost RM1700 USD 500) in 2000. I tried to be as careful as I could but still shit happened.
I'm way over 19 and it a real shame.
Now, I got a good friend in Hanoi, he arranged for me thru a local website.
With FR from locals.
I selected a few from 3 starts to 5 stars (300k to 500k).
What could went wrong right?
He called the girls and they declined to come to Old Quarter, I took motorbike taxi (xe om) to town and to my dismay, most daily rate hostels are full and it's already too late. He apologize profusely and I had to take another motorbike ride for 20 minutes in the cold wind tonight, and I am sitting in front of the computer writing this instead of an FR. Can't believe my fate.
I'll be in Halong City tomorrow, wouldn't too much hope, alas I have to keep trying eh.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Don't worry bout it. Every world traveller makes a few mistakes here and there. Part of the game.
[QUOTE=JamesBonks]I would say the same to me, really f*cked up. I tried to bring to my hotel but wasn't allowed cause it was past midnite, being desperate and all, I gave in. I've gone thru this in Kuala Lumpur (lost RM1700 USD 500) in 2000. I tried to be as careful as I could but still shit happened.
I'm way over 19 and it a real shame.
Now, I got a good friend in Hanoi, he arranged for me thru a local website.
With FR from locals.
I selected a few from 3 starts to 5 stars (300k to 500k).
What could went wrong right?
He called the girls and they declined to come to Old Quarter, I took motorbike taxi (xe om) to town and to my dismay, most daily rate hostels are full and it's already too late. He apologize profusely and I had to take another motorbike ride for 20 minutes in the cold wind tonight, and I am sitting in front of the computer writing this instead of an FR. Can't believe my fate.
I'll be in Halong City tomorrow, wouldn't too much hope, alas I have to keep trying eh.
Cheers[/QUOTE]All I can tell you is never bring more money than you really need. And better to walk away. Because there is a possibility you can lose more than jut money. Secondly I'm generally distrustfull of everyone, and I keep and repeating that there is no such thing as a free lunch and that for every benefit there has to be someone to pay. Justa question of how much. I am also curious os to this local website that Fr as exchanged and organised. I know of one such site where girls are exchanged by PM but often they are scams. Ie the poster reports a report on some girl etc and saying he has her number and pm him for it, lost of pm arise often with no conclusuon or you get it and it turns out to be something other than what was stated. I mean you can even find that sort of shit in a local newspapers, that ie girls with phone numbers offerring masage plus extras. I don't trust anything. If you don't live here and don't speak the language just be skeptical of everything.
[QUOTE=JamesBonks]
I'll be in Halong City tomorrow, wouldn't too much hope, alas I have to keep trying eh.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
Enjoy Halong City and don't forget to take a boat out into Halong Bay and visit the Islands. It is inspirational. I remember it more favorably than my 20 minute fling with a motorbike girl. LOL
[QUOTE=Bigfoot16]Enjoy Halong City and don't forget to take a boat out into Halong Bay and visit the Islands. It is inspirational. I remember it more favorably than my 20 minute fling with a motorbike girl. LOL[/QUOTE]
was that including the bike ride to the hotel? LOL
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]was that including the bike ride to the hotel? LOL[/QUOTE]Nothing happened in Halong, but the rides and the view was magnificient!
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]was that including the bike ride to the hotel? LOL[/QUOTE]
LOL No, it was our famous friend that I met on Dateinasia. At the time I met her I didn't know she was a motorbike girl. She started out as a tour guide and then converted to a money grubbing minibar scavenger. That all took place as I was showering after our 20 minute session that was all BFE. I didn't even get a BJ but she got DATY, rimmed and f....ed.
This is excellent advice. And something I've done for years. You should read this if you're not sure about the game. Or world travel.
[QUOTE=Mik Hcmc]When people go on holidays they seem to leave their common sense at the airport.
Think about it, If you were in your home country and met a complete stranger offering whatever it is you were looking for cheaply,be it women, booze, drugs etc would you follow them? Chances are no. Yet countless people still do it overseas. If you must go to a place other than your hotel room do what one monger suggested, bring your clothes into the bathroom with you, bring your clothes out when you have finnished showering, roll your pants up and put them under your pillow. If the girl objects then that should be setting the alarm bells off.
Most massage parlor's have the small zip up "bops"/ bag/pouch's for you to put your valuables in. If you can't see one ask. I've been to countless MP's and never had anyting go missing, Also I fold my pants in a particular way so I know if they have been touched, So far so good.
Be careful out there, in the end you are responsible for your safety[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]I am surprised people are having so much difficulty with this. Here are the directions clear as I can give them.
From the airport, take a cab / bus coming to town. Once the bus crosses the Thang Long bridge, keep going straight towards Hang Quoc Viet instead of taking the right towards Au Co. On your left on the opposite side of the road, you will pass a number of open doors, with the girls outside. Have never sampled whats on offer but pass this way everytime I get into Hanoi and head to town from the airport. Hope this helps.[/QUOTE]Hello
I m planning to visit the brothels near cau thang long
Did you go there recently?
What is the best time to go there?
Is it opened in the morning?
You confirm thew price of 100000d?
Is it safe to go there alone?
Thanks
It seems that the Google Map plot is on the wrong side of the river and you need to be on the Hanoi side (I know this after wasting 4 hours on a scooter looking in the wrong place today)
link [url]http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=fr&geocode=&q=CAU+THANG+LONG%3B+hanoi&sll=21.038384,105.850503&sspn=0.092606,0.208569&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=C%E1%BA%A7u+Th%C4%83ng+Long,+Vietnam&ll=21.100716,105.797181&spn=0.023142,0.052142&t=h&z=15[/url]
This link shows the airport side, but the good conversation is talking about the Hanoi side. My available time is running out and I need some help finding this right now.
Coming off the bridge from the airport you go straight - towards Hang Quaq Viet. I can't find it. Any landmark? How far from the foot of the bridge (Hanoi Side) to the brothels and which of the many streets am I looking for?
Help a man in need looking for brothel sex PLEASE (and thank you sincerely)
Hi guys,
can you please suggest some decent hotels (with in-room internet, USD 70 max)?
The Old Quarter seems to be where most of the hotels are. Is that where the p4p is?
My Vietnamese is zero so I cannot correlate mongering locations given here with the town quarters.
I'll be in Hanoi for 3-4 days at the beginning of February to see the sights but hopefully also for pleasure.
Please help
DS
[QUOTE=Daddy San]Hi guys,
can you please suggest some decent hotels (with in-room internet, USD 70 max)?
The Old Quarter seems to be where most of the hotels are. Is that where the p4p is?
My Vietnamese is zero so I cannot correlate mongering locations given here with the town quarters.
I'll be in Hanoi for 3-4 days at the beginning of February to see the sights but hopefully also for pleasure.
Please help
DS[/QUOTE]
Try Heart hotel. There are several others on the same small street.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Try Heart hotel. There are several others on the same small street.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for the recommendation.
I tried Heart.
Unfortunately their web site does not work.
It promotes tours, but no hotel info. Not a good sign!
How about [b]Boss hotel or Nam Hai hotel[/b]?
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Try Heart hotel. There are several others on the same small street.[/QUOTE]This hotel I highly recommend. Service is very good, they hv a very experienced Hotel manager that can speak English.
The hotel is less than 1 year old and has internet in room, wifi. Modern furnishing and big big windows looking out to the street, on higher floor can even see Hoan kiem lake.
[url]http://www.hanoiimperialhotel.com/trang-chu.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Try Heart hotel. There are several others on the same small street.[/QUOTE]$70 US per night is far more than you need to pay for a good hotel in the Old Quarter with Wi-Fi, flat screen cable TV, English speaking staff and a good breakfast included. In early January I stayed at Elegance 2 on Ma May Street for $45 per night and when back in Hanoi a few days later stayed at Emerald a few doors down for $30 per night. Both were spotlessly clean but Elegance had slightly larger room, a tub vs. A simple in bathroom shower and a somewhat softer bed (I found all the hotel beds in Vietnam to be a bit hard). Elegance has three other hotels in Hanoi and all are well rated and there are many other good options as well.
Hi mongers,
Can see a lot recentely but nothing about something interesting.
Got a ride along Tam trinh street, leading south. Along the way about 5-6 café ohm, 5-6 cat toi. Anything have pink lighting is about a pop. Girls 5-7 average small size. Go ahead, just go inside, its not places designed to die. BJ express, no need to talk whatever. Tip as you like 100k or 200 k. Tip or not the boss 100k. As long as i know, more you get rid of the city center, more friendly will be the people, definitely amused that an un-local want some viet fun.
Yet its 2. 30 am and you failed in negociations, stressed, by the time beeing, the city sleeps loud, you got still few options.
Locate the 108 hospital on a map, ask a cab driver. Cruise arround and you will be pleased to meet some BJ suppliers, especially is the public lighting is off. On site, in a dark corner. Damage is 50k to 200k according the little goat. Its safe, but not for the light hearted. CIM.
You can head south on giai phong, facing the train station, have some tam quat 24 hours open. Damage is 200k as usual, be friendly and smily, drink tea if you are offered tea, have a smoke if you are offered a smoke. Be nice and cool and you will get a nice and cool CIM.
Go to wander inside the boat disco. Always have chicks, but thats another storry.
Enjoy.
I visited Hanoi, Win Hotel ($25 per night. GOOD VALUE) for six days last week. Relax Bar had very few outside girls which equated to very few foreigners. The employed girls are all long in the tooth and try to cheat you. "May I have a drink. How much?. 45000 ok go ahead. So they come back with 100, 000 fruit plate to share with other girls". Someone else lon this site listed many massage parlours and the like. Only trouble is they were all very different when I visited. Better that members confine to places actually visited. However on the flip side one of these turned out to be a gold mine it was 28 Hang Choi. I went there at 3pm in afternoon and found one 9/10 girl and three 7/10. I took the 9/10 girl her name was Cham pronounes like Chum aged 19. She let me suck her rather young breasts and then took off her panties and cocked her leg up onto the bed while she gave me a blow job. It was the sweetest and sexiest pussy I ever tasted. Imagine me aged 67 who can rarely get hard and even more rarely cum but she excited me enough to come in 10 mins with a very wet pussy. It was close to $50 for 15 mins total. Yes I could have bargained that way down to $20 but it was worth every bit of the $50. Later the next day I invited her to my hotel room for a 90 min photoshoot. I said $100 she said $200 and we agreed on $150. Yes pricy but once again worth every bit of that money to an old frellow like me. Licked her very wet pussy once again and she kissed very passionately too. Tall slim white long pussy hair a very good specification. If you want her number let me know. Quality is worth paying for. She put a big smile on my face.
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Hi mongers,
Today will introduce some easy DIY.
Go to Hanoi Hotel basement restaurant patio at 11 pm onward, sit at a table, grab a beer and something to eat. At 11. 30 pm, the first karaoke girlies will start to came for their late dinner after their duty. Make eyes contact and the girl will have a talk with you within 5 minutes talking about how much you can trow in the game for LT or ST. They are 2 cases I could not work properly: the girl is booked already by her KTV client, the girl is waiting for her BF to bring her home. Both of cases, just don't insist, but yet they are versatile. Usage recommand that you offer her something to eat before proceeding to where you like for pounding. Girls are 5-9. Attitude is 5-9 too. None of them are killers in english. Usual damage is 100 USD for LT. Can pick one of them for regular, price will decline to 50 USD, then 500k. To remember: you have only 1 hour from 11. 30 pm to 12. 30 am to make a pick.
[QUOTE=Asian Western]I visited Hanoi, Win Hotel ($25 per night. GOOD VALUE) for six days last week. Relax Bar had very few outside girls which equated to very few foreigners. The employed girls are all long in the tooth and try to cheat you. "May I have a drink. How much?. 45000 ok go ahead. So they come back with 100, 000 fruit plate to share with other girls". Someone else lon this site listed many massage parlours and the like. Only trouble is they were all very different when I visited. Better that members confine to places actually visited. However on the flip side one of these turned out to be a gold mine it was 28 Hang Choi. I went there at 3pm in afternoon and found one 9/10 girl and three 7/10. I took the 9/10 girl her name was Cham pronounes like Chum aged 19. She let me suck her rather young breasts and then took off her panties and cocked her leg up onto the bed while she gave me a blow job. It was the sweetest and sexiest pussy I ever tasted. Imagine me aged 67 who can rarely get hard and even more rarely cum but she excited me enough to come in 10 mins with a very wet pussy. It was close to $50 for 15 mins total. Yes I could have bargained that way down to $20 but it was worth every bit of the $50. Later the next day I invited her to my hotel room for a 90 min photoshoot. I said $100 she said $200 and we agreed on $150. Yes pricy but once again worth every bit of that money to an old frellow like me. Licked her very wet pussy once again and she kissed very passionately too. Tall slim white long pussy hair a very good specification. If you want her number let me know. Quality is worth paying for. She put a big smile on my face.[/QUOTE]
Interesting report. I am eagerly awaiting your posts of the $$150 photo shoot in the VN Photo Gallery.
JD
Is it safe to assume from Asian Western's report that the Win is GF friendly I will be back in Hanoi next week to catch up with a few old girlfriends but unfortunatly I gave up my apartment when my contract ended back in October so need to find a hotel who is happy to let me do some entertaining.
[QUOTE=Riverstar]Is it safe to assume from Asian Western's report that the Win is GF friendly I will be back in Hanoi next week to catch up with a few old girlfriends but unfortunatly I gave up my apartment when my contract ended back in October so need to find a hotel who is happy to let me do some entertaining.[/QUOTE]Yes the Win Hotel will allow girls to the rooms provided they leave their ID at the reception if it is after 9pm at night. Some snobby girls wont do that as I found out to my expense.
Good Luck,
AW
Ha Long Bay, the World Heritage Site in the North of the Gulf of Tonkin is allegedly truly beautiful and a 'must see', as long as sea fog allows you to see farther than the fingers of your outstretched hand.
In my case, unfortunately, this was not the case.
Getting there ( ca 160 km from Hanoi) is a 3,5 hr journey. A taxi will cost you between $50, negotiated with the Hanoi taxi driver directly and $150 with the hotel doing the "arrangements".
For the return journey, my hotel offered a "special price" of $190.
A taxi to Hai Phong, to catch the daily JetStar flight to HCMC cost me $30. The JetStar fare is about 60% of the Vietnam Airlines fare, but as always, you get what you pay for; more on that later.
The hotels in Halong City are many, in the high season allegedly fully booked, but totally empty in February. Beside me, there were all of 2 other guests in the excellent but not cheap ($100) 4 star Halong Plaza in Bai Chai, situated on the bay shore, just before the bay bridge.
The problem is, that apart from the Halong Bay cruises, there is [b]ABSOLUTELY NOTHING[/b] else to do there!
Bai Chai is 2 km away and even there, the restaurants are about as inviting as cow sheds. There is even a "massage", with similarly attractve amenities and mongering resources.
To sum up:
From Hanoi, bite the bullet, shell out $150-$250 for an all inclusive luxury 2 day 1 night (on a junk) tour package of Halong Bay. They will probably bribe the weather gods to keep the fog away!
Whatever you do, don't do it the way I attempted, i.e. avoid staying in a hotel there.
[b]UNLESS....[/b]:
As a faithful reader of this forum, I took careful note of [url=http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showpost.php?p=947487&postcount=357]Cunning Stunt's post[/url] where he praises Hanh, a premier local mamasan. On my request, he PM'd me her phone.
Having been assured by the reception clerk (male) of my 4* hotel that I could bring "friends to satisfy my needs", as he put it, to my room to stay no later than 9 pm, I called Hanh to meet me in front of the hotel in 1 hour.
Hanh turned up with 1 girl in tow, except for notably "big titten" totally nondescript, whom I rejected immediately. Not in the least discouraged, she got on her phone and within a couple of minutes another girl arrived on her motorbike. Even before she had removed her helmet(!) from her body language I knew, this was going to be FUN!
Her name was Chi, 25y, about 150 cm (4'9"), with all the right curves in all the right places.
What got me most, was her dazzling smile and her cheerful and totally natural personality.
Her English, which she had "learned by doing", is more than adequate for the job at hand.
After surrendering her ID at the reception and a refreshment in my room, where we immediately decided to like each other, she suggested a shower together to get acqauinted even better. Matter-of-factly she insisted on soaping me down thoroughly,everywhere, but with special attention to the regions halfway up (or down) my body, for which she used not only her hands, but also her mouth and tongue liberarly and expertly.
Once satisfied with the result, she demanded "Now you wash me!" I of course complied, which she seemed to enjoy, but did not hesitate to take my hand and "rework" regions, which she felt I had neglected.
In the course of such rework, my soapy finger, totally by accident of course, happened to slip into her rear port of entry, earning only symbolic disapproval.
Interpreting that as an encouragement, I asked, if she would consider having me revisit that path with another "tool" later on. She resolutely declined, saying "too small, hurts too much".
After a mutual rub-down, again at her behest, there followed an unbelievable GFE session, one, which I will not forget for a long time. The chemistry must have been just right for both of us, we just clicked.
Shortly after a very gentle and (I believe) mutually satisfying fianale I unexpetedly got ready again. I began to explore her body and "just by chance" landed at her backside. Undeterred by her previous rejection, I again asked to enter her ass, promissing to stop at once, if it caused her discomfort.
Her answer: "OK, try, but please be gentle".
There followed some digital preparatory loosening-up excercises, which she again seemsd to enjoy but when the moment of truth arrived, she was still quite apprehensive. Quite needlessly so, because, after quite severe initial resistence, which she bore stoically, the operation turned out a full success.
I'd like to think, that her's indeed was a cherry and for me it certainly was a grandiose fuck, making the screwed up (no pun intended) trip to Vietnam's north very worth while and indeed memorable after all.
Chi told me, that Hanh was a good mamasan, because because she took "only" 50% commission, while other mamasans often took 60%! In continental Europe, incidentally, 50% commission is also the going extortion rate.
Hanh had previously quoted me $20 for 1 hour and $30 for 2 hours. For her superb service, I tipped Chi generously.
Would I repeat? YES! but by that time I had alteady booked my onward flight for the next day, so the only thing I can do, is to wish Chi all the luck in the world and with her permission recommend her to your gentle care.
I also have some interesting pics of Chi, which I'll post when I get around to extracting them from my camera, but don't hold your breath
Chi's number is +84 904 631 669
And if Chi happens to be busy, as I hope she will be after this post, Hanh will be happy to fix you up, just call:
Hanh +84 904 990 464
[QUOTE=Riverstar]Is it safe to assume from Asian Western's report that the Win is GF friendly I will be back in Hanoi next week to catch up with a few old girlfriends but unfortunatly I gave up my apartment when my contract ended back in October so need to find a hotel who is happy to let me do some entertaining.[/QUOTE]Most people goes to Hanoi to catch up with a few Young girlfriends.. you are the first guy i know that catches up with a few Old girlfriends.
Anyway, if you are not able to get girl friendly hotel, drop me a line and I will help you book a girlfriendly hotel.
D Cups,
Why do you need to quote Daddy San's entire lengthy report in order to praise it? Just quote 1 or 2 lines lines at the start, no need to repeat THE WHOLE THING. Just takes up the whole page and makes everything more difficult to read. It's already here.
JD
[quote=the guy]here's the thread that jamesbonks is referring to:
[quote]originally posted by porklobster
i was just the victim of a classic scam on my last night in hanoi. as i was walking around the old quarter around 10.30 tonight, thinking of whether to get a final drink or whether to call it a day (hanoi closes rather early), a guy comes up on a motorbike, calling "want boom-boom? 20 dollars? young girl. 15 dollars?" first i ignore him, but as he follows me i think, what the hell, it's my final night here so let's go. off we go on his bike at daredevil speed across the bridge and into (for me) uncharted territories to a rather seedy backstreet motel, where a girl is waiting. she is neither that young nor that pretty, really, but not too bad either, and she has a nice smile and for the price she is quite ok. the price, however, is now back to 20 dollars, but that is including the room and the drive back. fair enough, i thought.
we undress and go into the shower, where she washes me surprisingly thoroughly and then back to the bed. i ask her if she has a condom, but apparently she hasn't so she makes a call on her mobile and a rubber deliverer appears only seconds later. sex is bbbj followed by cowgirl and mish, and again quite ok, if not very long.
it is when i'm putting my clothes back on that i notice that someone has been through my pants during the moments we were in the shower with the bathroom door closed: my wallet is still there, but most of the bills are missing, as well as some other money i had put in various other pockets, around 100 us dollars in all. the bike guy of course refuses to understand what i'm talking about, and perhaps there is a 1% chance that he actually is innocent and not in on the scam, but with a bunch of his more obnoxious friends around i'm not in a position to argue very strongly, but just shake my head and realize i've been had, and by a classic trick at that. (i know, i know: never carry that much money and never let your clothes out of sight, but i hadn't been planning on going out debauching at all, and most of the money was still in my pockets simply because i had forgotten to take it out.)
anyway, the guy did drive me back, and said he was sad too, because "if my customers are not happy, it is not good for my business."
indeed[/quote]
it's worth repeating in its entirety as a lesson to those new to vietnam. this is a remarkably safe country, in general. however, the cardinal rule is: never, never go into a house that a tout or bike girl takes you to. do it in your hotel, do it in a neutral "nha nghi" (motel), do it in the massage parlor of a hotel - but not in a strange building.
i don't like touts. however, whenever i'm tempted to let a tout set me up, i tell him to bring the girl to my hotel room. that filters out the crooks. most hotels will allow in guests of any sort until 11pm. if i like the girl, i dismiss the tout and tell him to wait for her outisde on his bike.
finally, visitors to hanoi should rest assured that most massage parlor employees would not steal money out of a locker. at least, it's never happened to me in countless visits. but don't carry more than you intend to spend.[/quote]the funny thing is i read this story before and i was telling to myself how stupid people can be when they get horny.
you are wondering how your money disappear? is this girl a master pickpocket? does she have a third invisible hand? perhaps i have a clue to this magic trick.
please find below the story i published yesterday in the saigon thread.
[quote]hi all,
i've been a long time lurker to this board and this is my first post. i want to share with all the mongers my experience in vietnam.
i was ripped by a moto girl last year in hanoi. not careful enough with my purse which was in my pocket. funny thing that she took the time to steal the cash (and not it all), leaving my credit card behind.
lesson learned, i will be less stupid next time.
i've just arrived in saigon. tonight a beautiful moto girl told me 20 usd for massage and boom boom. my bells rang all the warnings, it was too good to be true. but i like to play and she was very sexy so i said let's try.
we went to a short time hotel, i paid 50.000 vnd for the room. we get into the room, i stripped all my clothes, put all my money in my safety belt and went with it in the bathroom. she cleaned me quickly and there we are in the bed.
i put my safety belt under the pillow, she kissed me and quickly i felt her hands under the pillow.
i just say "no" and we continue. she dragged me against her breast and started to moan like crazy (i didn't even touch her).
things were very weird but my safety belt was behind me and i hold her hands. still, my spider senses rang like crazy!
suddenly, i turned back and i saw a hand coming from under the bed trying to grab my safety belt!
i shout like crazy, put the 2 girls out of the room, made a big scandal at the reception of the hotel, made them refund me the 50. 000 vnd.
so this my advice, fellow mongers: always look under your bed when you are entering unknown area.
good luck[/quote]
Thanks for sharing, Frenchie. That's amazing.
As I've advised before, never go to the motel that the girl or the tout selects for you. These "nha nghi" are literally on every street, so you pick the place you want to stay. But personally, I think it's best to avoid street touts and motorcycle chicks. They are the cause of nearly every case of theft while mongering in Vietnam.
on the way back home, we had to spend some time at noi bai airport.
in the international lounge, there is a massage parlor. it is a real 'clean' & 'neat' mp with everybody lying on the recliners/beds side to side so nothing sexy can be done, but the girls are really nice & they want more.
mine and her neighbour were litteraly flirting with me, after asking if my wife (who was 4 seats away) & i were married. they were speaking vietnamese with me and made several offers for more than massage next time i get to vietnam. mine rubbed several times her tits on my foot when working on my calves, keeping a eye contact with me. the neighbour was even nastyer giving me her phone number and telling me that she would show me more of vietnam at my next visit.
there is a changing room and they give you a tshirt & shorts for the massage. the girl is supposed to keep the door while you are changing, but "unfortunately" the neighbour girl opened the door 'to check if it was empty' and had a peek on me, and she throw her phone number in the room at the same time.
my advice: if you are a regular traveler
[QUOTE=Johndao]That's the Thang Long Bridge. Part of the 'highway' on the way to the airport. The very long bridge. 'Cau' means 'bridge' in VNese.
JD[/QUOTE]
I am in Hanoi as I type. I have spent the entire day researching and trying to flind this location and what is described here. First, the THANG LONG BRIDGE is used only for motorbikes...the other bridge has cars from the airport. There are two bridges. The Thang Long Bridge is elevated and does not empty onto any accessible street. On the Hanoi side of the bridge there are markets galore, selling everything you can imagine and more, but no cheap sex.
I walked the entire area, back and forth, every block that I could find that was in any way near what was described here. Unless everything has changed since it was first reported----THIS REPORT ABOUT DOORWAYS AND GIRLS IS BOGUS. They don't exist. There have been reports about guys having a hard time finding this location and the reason is that it's not there. I walked up and down, looking for what was described here and there was nothing close to it. Shops and stalls, traffic, business and commerce active and busy, but NOTHING resembling anything like a row of doorways with girls outside.
FRIENDS, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME LIKE I DID ON THIS WILD GOOSE CHASE.
Tired and pissed in Hanoi,
#2128
Yes, 2128, thats a joke. Eventually Pm
Me, got some unexplored niches, but alone ain't no fun.
Guys,
The place is very much there but the directions are slightly off. Here is how you get there. If you are coming from the city, then go to Hang Quoc Viet. The road with the Somerset Hoa Binh. With the Somerset on your right, go to the end of the road and you will come to a T junction. Here take a right. This road is Pham Van Dong, which leads to Cau Thang Long and the airport. But the bridge is a good 3 to 4 Km away from the T Point and all the action is in the middle about a Km or so after you take the right turn. Lots of garages and pink lighting. 100K VND ticket. If you are coming from the airport side, cross the bridge and go straight towards Metro, ignoring the right turn to Au Co.
Happy hunting all.
[QUOTE=Member #2128]I am in Hanoi as I type. I have spent the entire day researching and trying to flind this location and what is described here. First, the THANG LONG BRIDGE is used only for motorbikes...the other bridge has cars from the airport. There are two bridges. The Thang Long Bridge is elevated and does not empty onto any accessible street. On the Hanoi side of the bridge there are markets galore, selling everything you can imagine and more, but no cheap sex.
I walked the entire area, back and forth, every block that I could find that was in any way near what was described here. Unless everything has changed since it was first reported----THIS REPORT ABOUT DOORWAYS AND GIRLS IS BOGUS. They don't exist. There have been reports about guys having a hard time finding this location and the reason is that it's not there. I walked up and down, looking for what was described here and there was nothing close to it. Shops and stalls, traffic, business and commerce active and busy, but NOTHING resembling anything like a row of doorways with girls outside.
FRIENDS, DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME LIKE I DID ON THIS WILD GOOSE CHASE.
Tired and pissed in Hanoi,
#2128[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]Guys,
The place is very much there but the directions are slightly off. Here is how you get there. If you are coming from the city, then go to Hang Quoc Viet. The road with the Somerset Hoa Binh. With the Somerset on your right, go to the end of the road and you will come to a T junction. Here take a right. This road is Pham Van Dong, which leads to Cau Thang Long and the airport. But the bridge is a good 3 to 4 Km away from the T Point and all the action is in the middle about a Km or so after you take the right turn. Lots of garages and pink lighting. 100K VND ticket. If you are coming from the airport side, cross the bridge and go straight towards Metro, ignoring the right turn to Au Co.
Happy hunting all.[/QUOTE]
Yes, this area has been active for well over a decade and if you can't find it you are looking in the wrong place. It's wrong really to connect it to Cau Thang Long as it is Pham Van Dong and well before the bridge. Before he died a few years back it was all called Thang Long Highway, but then they changed the name of the southern part of it to PVD.
JD
Thanks guys. Anyway, after further investigation, this area is declining about this activity, yes for a decade, the place used to serve as money-poket-making for studs, but most of unis as been moved south. It has been relocated too and I just get the information about the area. I will try to find some time to double check before throwing in some directions.
For not posting for nothing, I just let you know some viet-fun.
With a motorbike, past Long Bien bridge to the other side. Drive north without turning right to Haiphong. Drive over a small bridge again. After the small bridge turn left. You should find a street named Phan dang luu. This street have somewhat like 10-12 mini-brothels for BBJ. They are not cafés nor tam quat: just mini BJ brothels. Girls standing outside from 1 to 5, depends the weather. Can get at 100 k or even 50k. Girls will be laughting at you in that far-east where you are not supposed to be, especially if you're alone. One more time, its bbj only, don't fool to have a st, you may be kicked out.
Enjoy
Explored yesterday a new niche related to that thang long issue.
We drove south on Nguyen trail for miles (the street start to Parkson mall and end up to Ha Dong City) about 5 km down south, the city reach its limit and make a Y. The street name going to the left (west) is Ba la street. Engage here.
After 50 meters you will pass a railway, 100 meters after, on the right side starts the fields, on the left side, have a area under construction. When you reach those construction works, there are 4 or 5 "café ohm" that you can recognise by plastic curtains as usual. Park inside of any. Behind, at 50 meters have a big Gna nghi. Choose the girl in the café, she will lead you to the motel.
Girls are 3-4 per café, rate is average 5, small cute viets. Ticket is cheap, 150k all included. The receptionist is friendly and smily, no tip, no wrong attitude.
My pick was a disaster, no skills, double covered, get my boy out even it had finished to send its load. Consolation: nice soft skin, nice tits. Overall a interesting experience and not really a disapointment, because we are talking here about 7. 5 USD for a st room included, it can't be always a winner. Will return try luck alone and report what append unacompanied. Let's keep good mood anyway, because 1/its safe 2/the hunting in Hanoi is fun itself due to difficulty of sourcing.
I hope some fellas will dare the game, if not it could mean I am working hard for nothing.
I don't know at now edit the google maps, will do for you one day if I learn.
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So quiet here.
Yesterday made a late pick-up along the overpass near Bach Mai hospital. Agreed on 200k for lham tim.
She lead me the way to a hidden motel thru an amazing maze of little streets.
Reached a large room 100 k cleaner that downtown NG. Girl was nice and tender, bbj, missionnary, doggy.
I shoot with a certain pressure wich totally sent the condom out of his original purpose. Girl was. Happy, strangely. Offered to sleep on the spot, wich I denied, I eventualy even don't knew exactly where we were. Advanced 200 k but she said she need 200k more to share with the receptionist. I agreed because she trully dint look like a scamer. She led me way back on central avenue and said bye bye with a smile.
Look: 6
Attitude: GFE
Skills: 7
Conclusion: 500k for a pop and a funny thrill. Hey, don't do that if you visiting Hanoi casualy or as a tourist. It's a report, not an encouragement.
Apocalypse now Hanoi reopen next Friday. Near Hoa Ma. Check a map.
Q club at Daewoo has been renovated to a Disco, numerous good looking Fls has been reporting dancing at weekend. I give up on Hanoi, no contributors. Here is my last post within this thread.
I finally had a free late night after having to hang out with collegues the first few nights. I went to 17 Saloon and it was a weird scene with a live band and a lot of pretty girls inside but most of them were employees of the bar. I was talking to a guy who’d been in Hanoi a month and went there a lot and he said the employees didn’t go with customers. I stayed until last call just enjoying the scenery and left.
I left and the first taxi driver didn’t know where the Hilton was which is just down the street. I’m guessing he just didn’t want a short fare but he seemed to really study the business card from the hotel that they give you to give to taxi drivers. So I went with a motor bike guy. Being horny I was stupid and took a chance with the motorbike guy’s offer to go see some beautiful girls. I knew the prices were a lot lower but was drunk so I overpaid at 500K. I did get a great looking girl but the place was super sleazy and pretty crowded in with curtains and you could hear everything of the couples next to you. It was sort of cool in a really sleazy way.
Anyway, the girl I chose was pretty hot, exposed her tits for groping and some sucking and dropped her shorts to her knees for some FIV action. OK bbbj, but she insisted on finishing by hand and her mouth was nowhere near when I erupted. Having overpaid at 500K (I know it was stupid) I tipped her only 50K which she wasn’t happy with.
The motorbike guy then took me to the hotel. Overall damage less than 600K but what the hell, it was an Ok experience.
[QUOTE=Scoubidick]Apocalypse now Hanoi reopen next Friday. Near Hoa Ma. Check a map.
Q club at Daewoo has been renovated to a Disco, numerous good looking Fls has been reporting dancing at weekend. I give up on Hanoi, no contributors. Here is my last post within this thread.[/QUOTE]
Good to know. There has not been much posting here, but hopefully we can share a bit more.
Don't give up!
I had a good massage experience at the Hoa Binh Hotel recently, just on a guess that it might be good. It was. I guessed because it was the usual sauna/massage place, and more times than not, you can get extra with your massage there, though not FS.
Walking around the alleys opposite the Daewoo hotel off Kim Ma, there are numerous 'clubs' that are obviously aimed at the wealthy Korean and Japanese who stay at Daewoo and in that area.
They look like they could only be brothels, as there are many women in the first room, and they have fairly obvious names (like 'relax').
I didn't have the courage to walk in and ask, and was also worried that the price would be very very high, especially because the women all seemed like a 8 or 9 (out of 10).
Anyone been around there?
Brothers of the prowl - had a completely startling experience 3 nights ago.
Went out with some Vietnamese colleagues to a Karaoke bar on the other side of the Chuong Duong bridge. This road is full of Nga Nghi and Karaoke bars. Was shown to a room on the first floor and soon enough was asked to take my pick of ladies. I picked a 7 - slim with long black hair. Initially she would stroke my thighs and I would do the same. After a while, one of the girls dimmed the lights and the action began. My babe immediately put my hand on her left breast and moved her hand to my crotch. I sprang to attention and figured that a hand job was on the cards. I unzipped and she promptly moved in. I sat back to enjoy but to my pleasant surprise, the woman pushed my left hand down. I realised she was not wearing panties and began to explore a newly shaven pussy. So there I was - right hand on her left boob, left hand in her snatch and her left hand on my dick. Was enjoying the hand job for about 5 minutes or so when after a while, the woman stood up and took off her T-Shirt and bra. She buried her chest in my face while continuing the hand job. I was now rock hard and out of control. Then to my shock, the woman suddenly stopped, whipped out a condom and mounted me. She was very tight and yet nicely slippery. She rode me for about 10 minutes and I came. Noticed that my colleagues were in a similar situation. After we were all done, the lights were switched back on and we finished our beers. The cool part about the evening was when it was time to pay up. My colleagues informed me that the standard tip for this kind of service was VND 300 K (about 16$). I was pleasantly surprised and tipped VND 400K and left. All in all an excellent and completely value for money experience.
Brothers - only catch is that you need to go with locals. A foreigner on their own at such places would be ripe for the plucking as they keep bringing out stuff like fruit bowls and packets of chips, which they will charge for and which you need to turn down. Enjoy
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]Brothers of the prowl - had a completely startling experience 3 nights ago.
Went out with some Vietnamese colleagues to a Karaoke bar on the other side of the Chuong Duong bridge. This road is full of Nga Nghi and Karaoke bars. Was shown to a room on the first floor and soon enough was asked to take my pick of ladies. I picked a 7 - slim with long black hair. Initially she would stroke my thighs and I would do the same. After a while, one of the girls dimmed the lights and the action began. My babe immediately put my hand on her left breast and moved her hand to my crotch. I sprang to attention and figured that a hand job was on the cards. I unzipped and she promptly moved in. I sat back to enjoy but to my pleasant surprise, the woman pushed my left hand down. I realised she was not wearing panties and began to explore a newly shaven pussy. So there I was - right hand on her left boob, left hand in her snatch and her left hand on my dick. Was enjoying the hand job for about 5 minutes or so when after a while, the woman stood up and took off her T-Shirt and bra. She buried her chest in my face while continuing the hand job. I was now rock hard and out of control. Then to my shock, the woman suddenly stopped, whipped out a condom and mounted me. She was very tight and yet nicely slippery. She rode me for about 10 minutes and I came. Noticed that my colleagues were in a similar situation. After we were all done, the lights were switched back on and we finished our beers. The cool part about the evening was when it was time to pay up. My colleagues informed me that the standard tip for this kind of service was VND 300 K (about 16$). I was pleasantly surprised and tipped VND 400K and left. All in all an excellent and completely value for money experience.
Brothers - only catch is that you need to go with locals. A foreigner on their own at such places would be ripe for the plucking as they keep bringing out stuff like fruit bowls and packets of chips, which they will charge for and which you need to turn down. Enjoy[/QUOTE]
Is this on the main drag - Nguyen Van Cu - or a side road. No problems sending fruit away.
And this is going into the R of D.
[QUOTE=Sudsoz]Is this on the main drag - Nguyen Van Cu - or a side road. No problems sending fruit away.[/QUOTE]It is on Nguyen Van Cu and if you keep going toward Duong brigde, there are more and offer the same kind.
Some place are not but you have to go upstair to a private room, with the shower.
It's always better to go with a Vietnamese so you don't get rip off.
Those will not last long before the area getting more busy with office building and shopping mall. They normally move out further as the city expanding.
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]Brothers of the prowl - had a completely startling experience 3 nights ago.
Went out with some Vietnamese colleagues to a Karaoke bar on the other side of the Chuong Duong bridge. This road is full of Nga Nghi and Karaoke bars. y[/QUOTE]The one which you go to, from the Chuong Duong Bridge, is it before or after the big circle which turns off to Bac Nhinh?
Hi Gentlemen,
I will be making my 1st trip to Hanoi from 16th-18th May, and have been reading up on many of your interesting and well-researched reports on the street scene.
I must admit that I am not that adventurous, prefer massage parlours and karaokes for my pick-ups, as compared to what's available "out there", viz. cyclo and street-side pick-up gals. Sorry if I have misunderstood, though, as after reading HCMC and Hanoi, there's a bit of confusion, but I think it would be right to say that P4P is not that obvious in Hanoi (?) as compared to HCMC.
I will be travelling with a friend from Thailand, and he insisted we stay at the Fortune Hotel, where there is supposed to be a mini-casino and also a karaoke downstairs. I have surfed a bit, and there seems to be several "local" hotels with really rave reviews. I am expecting that the Fortune is girl-friendly .. if not, boy, is my friend gonna get it for insisting we stay here.
I am really looking forward to my trip to Hanoi, as the Vietnamese girls I have seen in Kuala Lumpur tend to have the most delicious boobs in ASEAN and procelain white, almost translucent skin. WOW!
If anyone can spare some time to show me the ropes on a Sunday afternoon, I would really appreciate it ~ please do PM me. Thanks !!
Best,
Panya
[QUOTE=Suzhou 1700]Walking around the alleys opposite the Daewoo hotel off Kim Ma, there are numerous 'clubs' that are obviously aimed at the wealthy Korean and Japanese who stay at Daewoo and in that area.
They look like they could only be brothels, as there are many women in the first room, and they have fairly obvious names (like 'relax').
I didn't have the courage to walk in and ask, and was also worried that the price would be very very high, especially because the women all seemed like a 8 or 9 (out of 10).
Anyone been around there?[/QUOTE]
As far as I know, these places and the one or two joints in the area around the Nikko hotel in another part of town are merely places where Japanese men like to go to have a drink with a pretty hostess pouring the drink for them. I have never bothered to go inside one of them - the entry price of one that some guys I knew visited was $100 per person. The only thing that will be massaged in such a place is your ego. Don't waste your time.
[QUOTE=Deptrai]The one which you go to, from the Chuong Duong Bridge, is it before or after the big circle which turns off to Bac Nhinh?[/QUOTE]Its well before the big circle - on the same side of the road as the KFC, but about 150 m closer to the CD bridge. I checked out the action in Doson last weekend - 200K VND for a 30 minute session and a decent selection of 7s and 8s - unbelievable. And yes - its just 10$
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]I checked out the action in Doson last weekend - 200K VND for a 30 minute session and a decent selection of 7s and 8s - unbelievable. And yes - its just 10$[/QUOTE]
Hi Chesterfield.
Intrigued by your post. I have been thinking about journeying north to Do Son, but I've read some terrible things about the place, like stories of westerners being ripped off mercilessly and even attacked violently there.
Did you experience any of this? Did you stay in a hotel in Do Son or elsewhere? Did you see any taller working girls in Do Son or were they all 5 feet 2 inches or shorter like 90% of them are in the south?
Thanks.
PP
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]Hi Chesterfield.
Intrigued by your post. I have been thinking about journeying north to Do Son, but I've read some terrible things about the place, like stories of westerners being ripped off mercilessly and even attacked violently there.
Did you experience any of this? Did you stay in a hotel in Do Son or elsewhere? Did you see any taller working girls in Do Son or were they all 5 feet 2 inches or shorter like 90% of them are in the south?
Thanks.
PP[/QUOTE]Hi Pokey Penguin,
I had gone with 3 of my local buddies so did not face any harassment but did not see any other westerners so am not sure how it will play out for a foreigner on his own. We stayed in a normal beach front hotel. Purely functional - 15 USD a night which I shared. The rates quoted (200K) are the same across the beachfront area and all you have to do is follow a biker to the main hotspot. There are some taller girls about 5 ft 6 or so. Overall, unhesitatingly recommended if you can dig up a local to go with. Not sure how it would be for a single foreigner. Did not see a single other foreigner in my stay there.
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]Hi Chesterfield.
Intrigued by your post. I have been thinking about journeying north to Do Son, but I've read some terrible things about the place, like stories of westerners being ripped off mercilessly and even attacked violently there.
Did you experience any of this? Did you stay in a hotel in Do Son or elsewhere? Did you see any taller working girls in Do Son or were they all 5 feet 2 inches or shorter like 90% of them are in the south?
Thanks.
PP[/QUOTE]I was working in Do Son and was taken out by some of my Vietnamese work mates had a great time as they insisted on treating me. The only problm I faced was that I had three girls refuse after I had stripped offsaying that I was to big for them which was a pity as they were the bestof the bunch. However it was great for my image in front of my Vietnamese friends as the girls ran from the room saying that my cock was too big for their small pussys.
Thanks Chesterfield and Riverstar. I googled Do Son and didn't find much, but did find this troubling post on someone's blog:
[url]http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/misola/1/1269523370/tpod.html[/url]
I've often wondered if the girls in the North might be taller than the tiny girls in the south because of more Chinese genes in their makeup, but still haven't found an answer. I should go up north and investigate but am still trying to get over my trip to Hanoi a few years ago where I ran into a lot of nasty people, making me not want to go back. And these weren't P4P people, just normal Hanoians. But maybe I was just unlucky, other people say they're okay.
[QUOTE=Pokey Penguin]Thanks Chesterfield and Riverstar. I googled Do Son and didn't find much, but did find this troubling post on someone's blog:
[url]http://www.travelpod.com/travel-blog-entries/misola/1/1269523370/tpod.html[/url]
I've often wondered if the girls in the North might be taller than the tiny girls in the south because of more Chinese genes in their makeup, but still haven't found an answer. I should go up north and investigate but am still trying to get over my trip to Hanoi a few years ago where I ran into a lot of nasty people, making me not want to go back. And these weren't P4P people, just normal Hanoians. But maybe I was just unlucky, other people say they're okay.[/QUOTE]
I find most hanoi people friendly. Smiling makes a big difference. It may not be as friendly as other places, but I wouldn't say unfriendly. Sounds like you had a bad experience.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]I find most hanoi people friendly. Smiling makes a big difference. It may not be as friendly as other places, but I wouldn't say unfriendly. Sounds like you had a bad experience.[/QUOTE]
Came back from 2 nites in Hanoi, stayed at the Fortuna Hotel. Agree with Explorerman's comment, I found almost everyone in Hanoi very friendly .. from the hotel staff, to restaurant waiters/waitresses, people on the streets when I went walkabout.
Tried the Spa De Palace on the top floor of the hotel, and offered only HJ at USD 30 .. asked for FS and she told me not allowed at the establishment :( , but if I called her for in-room massage then everything's okay at USD 80. (NOTE : There's a lady manning the reception called Maggie who's just absolutely gorgeous ... I'd marry her in my next life !! :D )
Called for in-room massage the next night, opted to try my luck, and was sent a sweet-looking, slim one who hails from HCMC and spoke fluent Mandarin. Unfortunately, my Mandarin language skills were almost zero.
During the massage (which was really excellent!), managed to flirt with her and made her laugh at my pitiful attempts to crack a few jokes, through a combination of sign language and 4-5 words of Mandarin that I had. At the end, she pointed at my crotch and (obviously !!) asked whether I wanted relief, and indicated USD 100 ... !!??!! Whoa !!
After frantic sign language gestures, I was surprised to learn that she did not do FS ... after awhile, she relented, saying she likes me (oh yea ..) and asked for USD 200 for FS ... wtf !!
Why so expensive ??? Is it because of the hotel, and the fact that it's full of foreigners, and I'm a foreigner?
Later, checked out the karaoke at the basement, and the ladies were really, really stunning !! But, after trying for 30 minutes to get a mama-san to come over (we were sitting at the bar), we couldn't get any attention, and finally left figuring it's gonna cost us a bomb anyway !
Despite all these, in summary, I love Hanoi !!! ... and I think given more time, it's really a treasure trove waiting to be discovered.
Ladies are always smiling, and seemed to "give you the look" that they're interested ;) ... saw this at the pho restaurant from ladies who were customers as well, waitresses at the seafood restaurant just off the lake, office ladies at the place where I had my meetings, etc. etc. UNLESS my raging hormones were misinterpreting the signals.
Hoping to get back soon, and definitely will plan for more time on my own.
Best,
Panya
Hey guys, my first report in hanoi. Am travelling with a friend and we tried to get some action. Unfortunately had no time to read forum somehow before the trip (my gf is mostly in my house at home, can't read forum at work, will have to read up fm hotel here).
Anyway. We asked a tour operator. Where we booked sapa and hallong trip (we figured ok, hegave us goods prices, sapa trip as of 89 USD, hallong as of 49 USD but we upgraded to better hotels and boat and ended paying USD 300 total with vio cabin to sapa, better hotels etc). Where to get girls and fortuna KTV was recommended.
We went there. Nice establishment. As per previous report mama san doesn't come to u. You have to ask a waiter for her to come. Many girls. Price is USD 35 per girl sitting at your table, plus drinks. If after 2-3 mins you don't like the girl you can exchange. Drinks USD 5 for a beer.
If you take the girls to room upstairs is USD 80 for short time. USD 120 for all nite at your own hotel)so 120 +35 + drinks for girl-you). Problem was many of the girls we tried didn't want to go out all nite (at least not with us) and there were maybe 7 girls who wanted all we didn't fancy and then left.
Overall place looks nice, quiete pricey I think.
We then asked a tai driver and he drove us to a KTV in old quarter. It looked like a full hit, ok girls, ok prices. 50 USD for 1 girl to sit with u, 70 for two and mama san said 30 USD all nite per girl in the room.
Unfortunately the girls then after a long odyssee of phone calls to mamasan, a driver showing up at hotel empty handed etc I went to bed unnerved at 3 am. A classic rip off. After 5 years living in asia. First time I got ripped off. Well we had fun at the KTV butr no fun after. 70 USD lesson learned. Will read the forum.
I think mamasan fave me a wrong biz card of the erstablishment called tando club. Address-map-picutres don't look like the place we have been. But who checks cards when in a place. She had written her mobile on there by pen.
Hope to get some action tonite. If anyone wants to pm me for a tip at hanoi, sapa, halong bay, cat ba. Plsd to hear.
[QUOTE=Pemcd]We then asked a tai driver and he drove us to a KTV in old quarter. It looked like a full hit, ok girls, ok prices. 50 USD for 1 girl to sit with u, 70 for two and mama san said 30 USD all nite per girl in the room.[/QUOTE]Pls dun ever again ask any taxi driver in Hanoi or HCMC to take you to some party places. You will invariably be ripped off, always.
The Hanoi Auto Show (last week) is a good place to see lots of pretty girls in skimpy outfits and take their pictures.
[QUOTE=Johndao]The Hanoi Auto Show (last week) is a good place to see lots of pretty girls in skimpy outfits and take their pictures.[/QUOTE]Thanks Johndao,
Nice bodyworks !
Hi John Dao,
You took some very nice pics.
These are a few young, pretty, tall, leggy, good-looking girls. They should be available for dates and sex. Good Viet girls are too prudish. They dont wear sexy shorts and show their legs at car shows. Last time I was in HN, my contact rounded up 4 of these leggy models in short orders.
Meet with them privately, slip them your mobile number and ask them to call after work. You'll be surprised of the calls you will get. They would want to go somewhere discrete for dinner and party etc... They would know nice places to go around the Sword lake.
Being models, they would want to extract high prices for dates. In fact, they would want to extract the maximum amount of money possible from you. Try to keep ST below 1M and LT below 2M.
[QUOTE=Johndao]The Hanoi Auto Show (last week) is a good place to see lots of pretty girls in skimpy outfits and take their pictures.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Johndao]The Hanoi Auto Show (last week) is a good place to see lots of pretty girls in skimpy outfits and take their pictures.[/QUOTE]
I should have written that I did not take these pictures. Apologies.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]I find most hanoi people friendly. Smiling makes a big difference. It may not be as friendly as other places, but I wouldn't say unfriendly. Sounds like you had a bad experience.[/QUOTE]Yeah, Hanoi people are mostly friendly. I am living in Hanoi and I would be happy to help you when you visit Hanoi.
Will spend a few days in Hanoi in August, part of a large Asia tour.
Would love to hang out with local bros.
Please PM me.
This is continueing fm my earlier report. After the scam at the KTV. Funnily enough next eve after we again endedup at same KTV where we got scammed the eve before, (my friend asked again taxi driver. Couldn't stop him.) fiunnily enough I know got the correct card fm the massage place opposite after we tried to get some money refunded or at least the promised girls delivered to our hotel. Please do not go to this place:
Khanh do. So 70 nguyen truoang to. Tel 38293205. It ios a scam, place, at least for us. They ripp you off for girls just sitting with ou and promise they will come to your hotel.
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Finally we struck some good place (very local, very rundown), called as follows:
Nha nghi hoa dao (hoa dao hotel) at so: 22 duong ho boi (22 swimming pool road). 600k + 100k tip (I know we got ripped off but it was late) for 1 hour fun with cute girls.
I tried 2 more places in the same street, one at 46 to ngee van (called nha nghi van loi) and one at samew street at hoiuse no 23 or 22. The first place hoa dao hotel is justr 50 meters fm this place, so think there must be a new street name in between.
At the other 2 places had 1 hour fun for 500k + 200k tip. All over good experiences, I preferred the place at no. 46 and went there twice. Also open in the afternoon til late.
Esalen3 is opposire Sofitel (think the plaza sofitel). Address shld be 6 nghi tam. Ticketprice was 150k but I saw some flyers with 50 pct off for got it for 80k in the end for 1 hr use of facilities (ok, but jacuzi was broken). Included in ticketprice was one hour really good massage. During massage she started to also sometimes grab my penis so I knew she was up for something, but only offered handjob. As I had just been to the place mentioned in my report ealrier on 46 to ngee van I politely declinded but tipped her 100k anyway. So total damage 180k which was ok experience. She would not do FS and said she cld come my hotel but only if I buy the handjob now. Which I didn't want. Cute girl, cute perky tiots, 20 year old.
[QUOTE=Pemcd] Please do not go to this place:
Khanh do. So 70 nguyen truoang to. Tel 38293205. It ios a scam, place, at least for us. They ripp you off for girls just sitting with ou and promise they will come to your hotel.[/QUOTE]70 Nguyen Truong To has been scamming quite a few foreign visitors. They apparently have an arrangement with crooked taxi drivers to bring highly intelligent foreigners who asked Taxi drivers to recommend party places to take them directly to this scam place. There was a time some people PM (in another Forum, not this one) to me and arrange to meet me in Hanoi so that I could take them to party places. These people arrived, checked in, jumped into a taxi and asked taxi driver to bring them to party places. They did not call me, until 1am, they finally called me to tell me that they are stuck at 70 Nguyen Truong To, 4 of them, with a bill of US$300 and asked me if I could save them.
[QUOTE=Pemcd]Esalen3 is opposire Sofitel (think the plaza sofitel). Address shld be 6 nghi tam. Ticketprice was 150k but I saw some flyers with 50 pct off for got it for 80k in the end for 1 hr use of facilities (ok, but jacuzi was broken). Included in ticketprice was one hour really good massage. During massage she started to also sometimes grab my penis so I knew she was up for something, but only offered handjob. As I had just been to the place mentioned in my report ealrier on 46 to ngee van I politely declinded but tipped her 100k anyway. So total damage 180k which was ok experience. She would not do FS and said she cld come my hotel but only if I buy the handjob now. Which I didn't want. Cute girl, cute perky tiots, 20 year old.[/QUOTE]
I always like the place and usually pay only 75,000 since I get a half price coupon after the previous visit. Girls tend to be 6-8, occasional 9, so rather attractive for a massage place. Just hand job and the rooms have a window. Local guys tip 50,000-150,000 for HJ with very good service.
The girls might try to squeeze a foreigner for more. My advice: Never agree to an amount until after the HJ and never tip beyond 200,000 here. After 200,000 is where generous becomes sucker, in their eyes. Some of the girls are willing to give out phone numbers and make private arrangements. Bring your phone into the massage so you can get the number.
A few more of the pretty Viet ladies who decorated the Hanoi Auto Show two weeks ago.
Spent a few days in Hanoi and wanted to try the action. Have read about Relax bar. A total miss as the girls there just want you to drink and dont go "out".
Remembered a report on MP. Decided to try massage parlor in Dong Do Hotel, Giang Vo road (same stretch as Fortuna hotel). Massage is in 4th floor. Massage cost VD 150000. Asked for Tyuen. Did an ok massage and happy ending with VD 200000 tip. Didnt allow touch and BBBJ in the place. Got her number. Would give her look a 6 but suspected she had "oversized" bra as shape too perfect.
Next day tried MP in 28th Hang Chuoi (also read in the forum). Location is walking distance from Hilton Opera hotel. Went there about 3pm and asked for Chum but they didnt understand or she wasnt there. Couldt speak English at all. MP on left side of KTV but "connected". Communicated with writing and signs. They wanted VD 400000 for massage 1 hr and i said no fucking way. Negotiated for a while until we reached 150000. First a "no-go" for me came in and i sent her out again and wanted the good looking one. Saw one cute on the way in about 22 yrs. Just straight to it and said i wanted service. Didnt really want massage. I underessed her fully, but she didnt want FS. Only BBBJ, but i fingered her pussy. She wanted 500000 for BBBJ and to undress completely and let me finger her (she told me she was married and showed the ring :) )
In the evening i agreed to go Dong Do again for Tuyen as her "last" customer at 22:30. First dropped by KTV in Fortuna. Quite many good looking girls and available for ST. Decided to try this hotel for next visit.
Went to Dong do after a few drinks and had my massage but no happy ending as we agreed going short time hotel close and across the street of Dong Do. Finished massage a little before 23:30 and i waited downstairs in the lobby. At 23:45 all the girls shift is over and they came down and out of the lift. Noticed a few others that are more beatiful, 10 girls. A little akward when the kid of Tuyen also came when she finished her shift and she send him away with another girl. Away we went. Paid 150000 for short time hotel. The FS was not impressive and she had very small tits as i suspected. She was tired after her shift and i didnt get that turned on of her. Finished deep and paid her 500000.
All in all i was tired to spend effort looking and achieve nothing.
Will try next time the stretch at Pham Van Dong road passing Hyunday motor and Metro supermarket.
[QUOTE=Crazy Monger76]Spent a few days in Hanoi and wanted to try the action. Have read about Relax bar. A total miss as the girls there just want you to drink and dont go "out".
Remembered a report on MP. Decided to try massage parlor in Dong Do Hotel, Giang Vo road (same stretch as Fortuna hotel). Massage is in 4th floor. Massage cost VD 150000. Asked for Tyuen. Did an ok massage and happy ending with VD 200000 tip. Didnt allow touch and BBBJ in the place. Got her number. Would give her look a 6 but suspected she had "oversized" bra as shape too perfect.
Next day tried MP in 28th Hang Chuoi (also read in the forum). Location is walking distance from Hilton Opera hotel. Went there about 3pm and asked for Chum but they didnt understand or she wasnt there. Couldt speak English at all. MP on left side of KTV but "connected". Communicated with writing and signs. They wanted VD 400000 for massage 1 hr and i said no fucking way. Negotiated for a while until we reached 150000. First a "no-go" for me came in and i sent her out again and wanted the good looking one. Saw one cute on the way in about 22 yrs. Just straight to it and said i wanted service. Didnt really want massage. I underessed her fully, but she didnt want FS. Only BBBJ, but i fingered her pussy. She wanted 500000 for BBBJ and to undress completely and let me finger her (she told me she was married and showed the ring :) )
In the evening i agreed to go Dong Do again for Tuyen as her "last" customer at 22:30. First dropped by KTV in Fortuna. Quite many good looking girls and available for ST. Decided to try this hotel for next visit.
Went to Dong do after a few drinks and had my massage but no happy ending as we agreed going short time hotel close and across the street of Dong Do. Finished massage a little before 23:30 and i waited downstairs in the lobby. At 23:45 all the girls shift is over and they came down and out of the lift. Noticed a few others that are more beatiful, 10 girls. A little akward when the kid of Tuyen also came when she finished her shift and she send him away with another girl. Away we went. Paid 150000 for short time hotel. The FS was not impressive and she had very small tits as i suspected. She was tired after her shift and i didnt get that turned on of her. Finished deep and paid her 500000.
All in all i was tired to spend effort looking and achieve nothing.
Will try next time the stretch at Pham Van Dong road passing Hyunday motor and Metro supermarket.[/QUOTE]
Very accurate report on the absolutely dismal scene in Hanoi for newbies and tourists. For those who live there of course it is a treasure trove of constant wonders, especially if you know how to speak some Vietnamese. Well, that's the design, and unlike other things, it works quite well.
JD
Hi,
I was in Hanoi last month and had one of the contacts established on Tagged one day. Didn't want any money but I paid her 60 $. Then on the second night went to the bar in the basement and found lots of nice girls looking for customers. In fact, one of them caught me by the arm and took me out of the room to discuss this. She wanted 100 $ and I said no. The next night the same girl agreed on 50 dollars and place was hers. A small hotel near Sheraton. Sheratn does not let any guests upstairs after 9 pm.
Also went to Indara Massage close to Sheraton. They have pretty girls but only massage for 20 $ and that with clothes on. FS was available for 200 $.
[QUOTE=Crazy Monger76]Spent a few days in Hanoi and wanted to try the action. Have read about Relax bar. A total miss as the girls there just want you to drink and dont go "out".
Remembered a report on MP. Decided to try massage parlor in Dong Do Hotel, Giang Vo road (same stretch as Fortuna hotel). Massage is in 4th floor. Massage cost VD 150000. Asked for Tyuen. Did an ok massage and happy ending with VD 200000 tip. Didnt allow touch and BBBJ in the place. Got her number. Would give her look a 6 but suspected she had "oversized" bra as shape too perfect.
Next day tried MP in 28th Hang Chuoi (also read in the forum). Location is walking distance from Hilton Opera hotel. Went there about 3pm and asked for Chum but they didnt understand or she wasnt there. Couldt speak English at all. MP on left side of KTV but "connected". Communicated with writing and signs. They wanted VD 400000 for massage 1 hr and i said no fucking way. Negotiated for a while until we reached 150000. First a "no-go" for me came in and i sent her out again and wanted the good looking one. Saw one cute on the way in about 22 yrs. Just straight to it and said i wanted service. Didnt really want massage. I underessed her fully, but she didnt want FS. Only BBBJ, but i fingered her pussy. She wanted 500000 for BBBJ and to undress completely and let me finger her (she told me she was married and showed the ring :) )
In the evening i agreed to go Dong Do again for Tuyen as her "last" customer at 22:30. First dropped by KTV in Fortuna. Quite many good looking girls and available for ST. Decided to try this hotel for next visit.
Went to Dong do after a few drinks and had my massage but no happy ending as we agreed going short time hotel close and across the street of Dong Do. Finished massage a little before 23:30 and i waited downstairs in the lobby. At 23:45 all the girls shift is over and they came down and out of the lift. Noticed a few others that are more beatiful, 10 girls. A little akward when the kid of Tuyen also came when she finished her shift and she send him away with another girl. Away we went. Paid 150000 for short time hotel. The FS was not impressive and she had very small tits as i suspected. She was tired after her shift and i didnt get that turned on of her. Finished deep and paid her 500000.
All in all i was tired to spend effort looking and achieve nothing.
Will try next time the stretch at Pham Van Dong road passing Hyunday motor and Metro supermarket.[/QUOTE]
Hi guys,
I am traveling to Hanoi for the first time and would like to know if any one can give me some contacts for a girl companion for the entire day who will show me around Hanoi and then stay with me for the night one who can speak english and is fun to be with. I know I am asking for too much but I don't mind paying for it if it costs much. Which hotel do you suggest to stay 4-5 *
Thanks in advance
Hey, I think you can contact some girl on DIA, and contact fast car is good, for the hotel to stay I think HILTON HANOI will be good, she doesn't mind show you arround and spend night with you as long as you can pay her well, I hope my advice will be ok for you.
[QUOTE=Blackfootballer]Hey, I think you can contact some girl on DIA, and contact fast car is good, for the hotel to stay I think HILTON HANOI will be good, she doesn't mind show you arround and spend night with you as long as you can pay her well, I hope my advice will be ok for you.[/QUOTE]Hahahha look back in the history and you will see DIAfast car is a ugly unsavory unlady like female. Proceed at your own risk.
Arrived in Hanoi a few days ago. Walked around Old Town /Hoan Kiem and was approached by a (quite nice) lady. Obviously driven round by her pimp friend. Asked 500. 000ST came down to 400. 000. I did not catch. A little later another lady on a bike 30US$ ST. A little older but ok looking. Approached me again the following day.
What I actually wanted to say (besides thanks to to forum). After rtff I went for a massage to Saigon Hotel. 30+ lady, good body. 10US$ 1h Massage. After a nice back massage she came to terms. HJ (forgot what she asked first) BJ 50US$. Got her down to 400. 000VT while she was already showing her BJ skills.
Fingering pussy ok. No kissing.
[QUOTE=MutantChicken]Hahahha look back in the history and you will see DIAfast car is a ugly unsavory unlady like female. Proceed at your own risk.[/QUOTE]
Please, let's not talk about her any more. Already so much....
There are far better ladies in town, and far better things to discuss. :)
I would suggest DIA or Tagged, and just find someone friendly. Likely to get lucky.
If you guys visit Hanoi next time, you may try out some massage parlours. ften you can have HJ/BJ. Ticket price: 150k-200k. Tip: 100k-200k. If you give more tips, you may receive special treatment.
Some girls offer CIM, as follows:
1. em Ngọc Hậu Giang, 351 thuỵ khuê
2. em Thanh, 246 Thuỵ khuê, quán Girlxinh.
3. em Trang, em Lan, Quán tắm thuốc, 61 đốc ngữ
4. em Chi, em Ly, em Trang (sinh năm 94), quán Thuỷ tiên, 96 Trần Nhật Duật.
5. Em Hương và em Mai, quán 183 Định Công
Just ask the taxi driver for direction.
[QUOTE=Shivajii]Arrived in Hanoi a few days ago. Walked around Old Town /Hoan Kiem and was approached by a (quite nice) lady. Obviously driven round by her pimp friend. Asked 500. 000ST came down to 400. 000. I did not catch. A little later another lady on a bike 30US$ ST. A little older but ok looking. Approached me again the following day.
What I actually wanted to say (besides thanks to to forum). After rtff I went for a massage to Saigon Hotel. 30+ lady, good body. 10US$ 1h Massage. After a nice back massage she came to terms. HJ (forgot what she asked first) BJ 50US$. Got her down to 400. 000VT while she was already showing her BJ skills.
Fingering pussy ok. No kissing.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Atrinh83]If you guys visit Hanoi next time, you may try out some massage parlours. ften you can have HJ/BJ. Ticket price: 150k-200k. Tip: 100k-200k. If you give more tips, you may receive special treatment.
Some girls offer CIM, as follows:
1. em Ngọc Hậu Giang, 351 thuỵ khuê
2. em Thanh, 246 Thuỵ khuê, quán Girlxinh.
3. em Trang, em Lan, Quán tắm thuốc, 61 đốc ngữ
4. em Chi, em Ly, em Trang (sinh năm 94), quán Thuỷ tiên, 96 Trần Nhật Duật.
5. Em Hương và em Mai, quán 183 Định Công
Just ask the taxi driver for direction.[/QUOTE]
In general, what District are those in?
[QUOTE=Atrinh83]If you guys visit Hanoi next time, you may try out some massage parlours. ften you can have HJ/BJ. Ticket price: 150k-200k. Tip: 100k-200k. If you give more tips, you may receive special treatment.
Some girls offer CIM, as follows:
1. em Ngọc Hậu Giang, 351 thuỵ khuê
2. em Thanh, 246 Thuỵ khuê, quán Girlxinh.
3. em Trang, em Lan, Quán tắm thuốc, 61 đốc ngữ
4. em Chi, em Ly, em Trang (sinh năm 94), quán Thuỷ tiên, 96 Trần Nhật Duật.
5. Em Hương và em Mai, quán 183 Định Công
Just ask the taxi driver for direction.[/QUOTE]
Just keep in mind these aren't the cleanest places on Earth. you might be separated by the next guy by a curtain. A local (or foreigner in the know) wouldn't pay more than 100,000 for the ticket, 100,000 tip. Cheap but not my thing.
[QUOTE=Blackfootballer]Hey, I think you can contact some girl on DIA, and contact fast car is good, for the hotel to stay I think HILTON HANOI will be good, she doesn't mind show you arround and spend night with you as long as you can pay her well, I hope my advice will be ok for you.[/QUOTE]
Blackfootballer aka Fast Car: How's business these days?
Brothers, any idea who the FLs are in Date In Asia in Hanoi?? I have read the forum so know Fast Car is to be avoided and have hooked up with Lost in Love as well. Any other suggestions would be welcome. Am here for a couple of weeks.
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]Brothers, any idea who the FLs are in Date In Asia in Hanoi?? I have read the forum so know Fast Car is to be avoided and have hooked up with Lost in Love as well. Any other suggestions would be welcome. Am here for a couple of weeks.[/QUOTE]
I know one DIA lady who wants $100 (which is a lot in this country, as reading the forum will tell you). You can go to the Sheraton and find the same. But if you are interested, she is a MILF, 33-34 years old, has a regular job, and wants to make some extra money.
She is pretty, and loves sex. Shy to be seen without her clothes off, as she had a caesarean.
If you are interested, I can give you her DIA name. But you cannot tell her that you know she is FL or is looking for money. You should just contact her if you want, and then suggest that you would be "generous". If she is interested, she will take it from there.
If you are interested, send me a PM.
Thanks Exploreman. Can't send a PM as am not a member and Jackson is not going to allow me to put up a mail address. On a different note, has anybody tried the BJ massage places on Pho Vong. 200K ticket for foreigners and 100 K tip. Open till 5 AM at night. So perfect after a night at New Square or Face Club. Its foreigner friendly as I have gone alone late and don't speak much vietnamese. But understand the ticket for locals is 120K. Very basic stuff. With the usual damp tissues. But for that price you can't really go wrong.
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Hi Chesterfield,
Are you suggesting that a sophisticated world traveler such as yourself can not afford a $20 subscription to support this forum and all the work I do to keep it maintained.
A forum subscription is less than 40 cents a week. That's less than the price of a newspaper.
Thanks,
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I would prefer BJ baber shop in THAI PHIEN street, not far from the cetre and it would be a nice place to go.
Thanks to previous posters who mentioned the pham van dong/au co areas.
Finally some opportunities for some cheap & sleazy action here in hanoi.
Not really keen on a $30. 50 massage/HJ/BJ or hairdresser bullshit.
Much prefer FS brothels.
At 1000 hrs today took the #7 public bus along pham van dong (from airport) as described in previous posts.
(1km north of hoang quoc viet; apx 3-4 kms south of the bridge)
Looked carefully on both sides of the street, but couldn't really see any likely looking places.
Is the hunting better (more obvious) later in the afternoon/evening, when the red fluoros are switched on?
Would my searching benefit by asking/hiring a local moto (xe om) rider?
Or is this a sure recipe for getting ripped off?
Pham van dong/au co intersection/overpass is also mentioned.
Didn't check out this location yet. Hopefully this afternoon.
On Xuan Dieu street near Ho Tay (westlake) there is a big "Thai Massage" sign at the corner of Thien Thai. You can't miss it. I wanted to see what it was all about, and following Thien Thai to the end there is the Tay Ho Hotel with tennis courts and pool. Looked like a large complex.
Next to the tennis courts was the massage facility. It has a red neon sign on it. We got there late so it was already dark, thus difficult to see the place. It was dimly lit in any case.
The ticket price was 200k, seemed kind of steep relative to what other posters have said here. Apparently that was the VIP room with in room sauna and jet bathtub. The facilities are kind of run down in my opinion. The hot water was not working well, but since they collected the money already at the desk I thought I would make the best of it and having something to report.
The masseuse was probably in early 30s but was not bad looking. After bathing me and washing all the right places, she gave an excellent massage including hot stones treatment. She worked very hard and asked for permission to turn the fan on. Oddly enough (for the looks of the place) she did not offer to do anything else but asked if I was sore anywhere else so she could work on that with the remaining time. She seemed surprised at my suggestion of a tug or maybe just pretending. After checking out the little window she sat on the table and went to work. Would not do anything else but frankly I was not pushing for it.
Damage 200k+150k tip for around 80 mins. Bottomline is that it's a good massage w/ a bit extra at the end but I will probably not be back.
At the beginning of Nghi Tam road near the Sofitel and Thanh Nien road is Esaleen. There had been some reports here suggesting that it is a good place in Hanoi, but I did not find it so.
The girls were mid to late 20s, some kinda fat and short. Facilities were better than the one I reported on before, but suprised that it was not nicer given the great sign outside and its proximity to the sofitel.
Dry and steam saunas offered along with a jacuzzi, shower then up to the small rooms. At the end they ask if you want HJ and proceed. My girl sat at the other end of the table with my legs straddling her. It seemed like a strategy to keep the distance and make groping difficult. Quality of massage was standard, extra service just so so.
Both mine and my friend's girls haggled over the tip as I would find out later which spoils the mood. I was firm w/ 100 and my friend paid 150 which he said was more the standard these days in HN.
Price for ticket was 120 for VN and 150 for foreigners. They give you a coupon at the end worth 50% off a foreign ticket and buy 2 get 1 free for vn at the next visit (before 10pm).
After reading the posts, I didn't expect very much but did think it sounded better in the posts. Didn't see anyone attractive in the 5-6 that I saw walk by me. Tried it out for curiosity and to I guess confirm the lack of good places in HN.
Damage was 120-150 +100-150 tip for 60 minutes. Less expensive next time around, but I won't be back here either.
I have not read all the posts here yet (quite a few though) but know the scene in Hanoi for getting girls to a room in a decent hotel is difficult. What I do is keep numbers for Viet girls I meet elsewhere in Asia (Orchard Towers, Beach Club Cafe, etc) and also ask for their Viet number. Most of the girls I meet come from Hanoi, so when I am in town I call or sms them in advance and either get them to come to the hotel smartly dressed in the evening (ideally before the curfew, but they know how to deal with that if they will come late) or during the day if I am not working.
The sort of Viets that I meet overseas tend to be 30 something and educated with decent English. Most seem to have formerly been bookeepers. They are all rampant in bed, usually all night. It's like a professional thing. They will probably want US$100 for the night though. But that is a lot less than they charge in Orchard Towers.
Cheers,
John
[QUOTE=Bespoke]On Xuan Dieu street near Ho Tay (westlake) there is a big "Thai Massage" sign at the corner of Thien Thai. You can't miss it. I wanted to see what it was all about, and following Thien Thai to the end there is the Tay Ho Hotel with tennis courts and pool. Looked like a large complex.
Next to the tennis courts was the massage facility. It has a red neon sign on it. We got there late so it was already dark, thus difficult to see the place. It was dimly lit in any case.
The ticket price was 200k, seemed kind of steep relative to what other posters have said here. Apparently that was the VIP room with in room sauna and jet bathtub. The facilities are kind of run down in my opinion. The hot water was not working well, but since they collected the money already at the desk I thought I would make the best of it and having something to report.
The masseuse was probably in early 30s but was not bad looking. After bathing me and washing all the right places, she gave an excellent massage including hot stones treatment. She worked very hard and asked for permission to turn the fan on. Oddly enough (for the looks of the place) she did not offer to do anything else but asked if I was sore anywhere else so she could work on that with the remaining time. She seemed surprised at my suggestion of a tug or maybe just pretending. After checking out the little window she sat on the table and went to work. Would not do anything else but frankly I was not pushing for it.
Damage 200k+150k tip for around 80 mins. Bottomline is that it's a good massage w/ a bit extra at the end but I will probably not be back.[/QUOTE]
I have been there too, and it is as you describe. It seems that the club is trying to get the girls not to offer extras, so they are pressured a bit, it seems. I have been tipping 200,000 there and that is in the VIP room for the 90 minute version. Pretty good massage, and I enjoy the soapy wash, and had a tug once in there also.
One gal wanted to come to my place instead of doing anything there. Enjoyed a nice tumble with her once, but have not repeated.
But for that part of town, there are not so many options for massage, so I still go occassionally, usually on a weekend if I am in town. The other place is one near the Sheraton on Xuan Dieu, just about 100m from the entrance.
[QUOTE=Bespoke]At the beginning of Nghi Tam road near the Sofitel and Thanh Nien road is Esaleen. There had been some reports here suggesting that it is a good place in Hanoi, but I did not find it so.
The girls were mid to late 20s, some kinda fat and short. Facilities were better than the one I reported on before, but suprised that it was not nicer given the great sign outside and its proximity to the sofitel.
Dry and steam saunas offered along with a jacuzzi, shower then up to the small rooms. At the end they ask if you want HJ and proceed. My girl sat at the other end of the table with my legs straddling her. It seemed like a strategy to keep the distance and make groping difficult. Quality of massage was standard, extra service just so so.
Both mine and my friend's girls haggled over the tip as I would find out later which spoils the mood. I was firm w/ 100 and my friend paid 150 which he said was more the standard these days in HN.
Price for ticket was 120 for VN and 150 for foreigners. They give you a coupon at the end worth 50% off a foreign ticket and buy 2 get 1 free for vn at the next visit (before 10pm).
After reading the posts, I didn't expect very much but did think it sounded better in the posts. Didn't see anyone attractive in the 5-6 that I saw walk by me. Tried it out for curiosity and to I guess confirm the lack of good places in HN.
Damage was 120-150 +100-150 tip for 60 minutes. Less expensive next time around, but I won't be back here either.[/QUOTE]
I've generally been happy at this place. It's just 75,000 with the coupon from the previous visit and the facilities are pretty for a VN massage joint. I agree some of the girls are less pretty - maybe 5's. It's no problem, however, to ask for another if you don't like the one they send to you. I've done it several times. However, I believe there are several girls in the 7-8 range, good figures, and some will readily offer to meet you on the outside. It really depends.
FYI, I tip 200,000 for HJ if the girl lets feel her up inside her outfit, underwear. This happens about 60% of the time. Otherwise I tip 150,000 for solid massage, HJ down to 50,000 for mediocre preformance. I never negotiate a price before the HJ. If they insist on pre-negotiations, I decline and tip them 50,000 - so I'm out $6 for an hour massage. Many will try to get more but if you show you know the prices, they'll fall in line.
[QUOTE=The Guy]I've generally been happy at this place. It's just 75,000 with the coupon from the previous visit and the facilities are pretty for a VN massage joint. I agree some of the girls are less pretty - maybe 5's. It's no problem, however, to ask for another if you don't like the one they send to you. I've done it several times. However, I believe there are several girls in the 7-8 range, good figures, and some will readily offer to meet you on the outside. It really depends.
FYI, I tip 200,000 for HJ if the girl lets feel her up inside her outfit, underwear. This happens about 60% of the time. Otherwise I tip 150,000 for solid massage, HJ down to 50,000 for mediocre preformance. I never negotiate a price before the HJ. If they insist on pre-negotiations, I decline and tip them 50,000 - so I'm out $6 for an hour massage. Many will try to get more but if you show you know the prices, they'll fall in line.[/QUOTE]
Yes, obviously some guys go to Esalen and ruin it for others, because some girls say "one million" or 500,000 for HJ, and then trying to bargain is silly. Your approach is better, though some girls are persistent if you are a white Westerner with trying to get more. I hate that - a real mood killer.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Yes, obviously some guys go to Esalen and ruin it for others, because some girls say "one million" or 500,000 for HJ, and then trying to bargain is silly. Your approach is better, though some girls are persistent if you are a white Westerner with trying to get more. I hate that - a real mood killer.[/QUOTE]
Yes, you're right. I have the advantage of being a Viet-speaking Westerner and that helps keep them in line. If they suggest something ridiculous like 500,000, a Viet guy would just look at them like their crazy, so you might try that. Me, I just don't do pre-HJ neogotiations and I tell them very politiely that I don't discuss money until the service is complete. In many cases, the girls want to put their phone numbers into my phone as I'm leaving, so they can't be too upset about the tip.
I'm quite confident the prices I suggested below are generous by local standards, based on my conversations with the staff.
Heading to Hanoi next week and will be traveling with my non-Viet, Asian girlfriend. Will we be hassled if we check into a hotel together unmarried? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Intransit]Heading to Hanoi next week and will be traveling with my non-Viet, Asian girlfriend. Will we be hassled if we check into a hotel together unmarried? Thanks.[/QUOTE]
Will not be a problem.
Hi guys,
I just got a job offer in Hanoi, and I'm moving next month. Happened to find this forum and read your posts, very useful indeed. But apparently you guys are only looking for local girl. I'm a bit different, I'm looking for all types of girls anywhere I'm going, of course locals are high priority but others cant be ignored. As far as I know there aren't many foreign girls in Hanoi, and it's not so easy to find them. Just wanna know if any of you guys know bars or places where they usually hang out so I can pick up some of them (American, European, Australian, Asian, blalala)
Thanks a lot
I've read the forum back 12 pages, but couldn't really find what I'm looking for.
I'll be in Hanoi, November 12-14 and looking for girl/woman to accompany for these three days, maybe to Hailong Bay - sex included
Besides HJ and BJ I haven't found much information about where I could find such a girl.
I've found 3 on Craig List, have contacted them and are waiting for a reply. Does any of you have any experience with them?
Thanks for your help,
The Beijing Fox
[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]I've read the forum back 12 pages, but couldn't really find what I'm looking for.
I'll be in Hanoi, November 12-14 and looking for girl/woman to accompany for these three days, maybe to Hailong Bay - sex included
Besides HJ and BJ I haven't found much information about where I could find such a girl.
I've found 3 on Craig List, have contacted them and are waiting for a reply. Does any of you have any experience with them?
Thanks for your help,
The Beijing Fox[/QUOTE]
You are very unlikely to find this in the short time you have left to form a relationship online or even in person. VN and especially Hanoi is not Thailand or the PI. It is completely different as far as these things go.
It would be much easier for you to bring a girl from Thailand or Cambodia or somewhere. Also, a foreign girl can stay in any hotel with you any time, while a Viet girl can not.
But good luck and have a good time.
JD
Thank you for your reply John.
Reading the forum, I didn't have high expectations.
Maybe the alternative is to stay at a girl-friendly hotel and then pick somebody up night-by-night - or maybe the same person.
Is there any bar in Hanoi, where I could try to find a WG?
[QUOTE=Johndao]You are very unlikely to find this in the short time you have left to form a relationship online or even in person. VN and especially Hanoi is not Thailand or the PI. It is completely different as far as these things go.
It would be much easier for you to bring a girl from Thailand or Cambodia or somewhere. Also, a foreign girl can stay in any hotel with you any time, while a Viet girl can not.
But good luck and have a good time.
JD[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]Thank you for your reply John.
Reading the forum, I didn't have high expectations.
Maybe the alternative is to stay at a girl-friendly hotel and then pick somebody up night-by-night - or maybe the same person.
Is there any bar in Hanoi, where I could try to find a WG?[/QUOTE]
Read the Forum in more detail, but in Hanoi, Fortuna is a place, but you stay there, and Sheraton for take out to cheap hotel. Both $100 basically, so more expensive than needed, but perhaps workable.
Not sure you can do something with Halong, unless you take a cheap girl and cheap tour where they don't follow the rules.
Good luck.
JD and Pak Mike - thanks for the posts regarding non Viet ladies and hotels. I am surprised there is not more of a foreign (as in neighboring country) p4p presence in VN, catering to tourists (and ostensibly getting around the government controls on hotels that make most non GF).
I was planning on making most of my VN trip non-adult in nature (except for Danang, and trying a few places in Saigon thanks to JD), now may take a girl I either hook up with in a p4p or non p4p manner. Does anyone know the visa requirements for tourists from nearby countries? I will RTFI (Internet exchanged for Forum in RTFF), as hopefully it is fairly evident, if not locals knowledge would be handy.
The only problem with doing that is I will miss out on the fairly hot, drunken backpacker action at the 'beach party' in Hoi An... Boozed up (all), partly naked (some) chicks from all the usual tourist countries.
And I answered my own question: [url]http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/topic/146860-vietnam-visa-info/[/url]
Hi Friends,
I'm staying at the Sheraton. Under the Sheraton is the Nutz Bar with many WG. They quote US$150 for overnight (not cheap, but they don't seem to be willing to discount. giving the location, clientele, etc., not a big surprise)
However, it is not possible to bring a girl into the Sheratoon after 21:00 pm. If you want to do so, you have to rent an extra room for her. The girls say there is a small hotel in 1 minute walking distance where you can go for a ST.
Quality on average is 5-7 and some speak some English.
[QUOTE=Explorerman]Read the Forum in more detail, but in Hanoi, Fortuna is a place, but you stay there, and Sheraton for take out to cheap hotel. Both $100 basically, so more expensive than needed, but perhaps workable.
Not sure you can do something with Halong, unless you take a cheap girl and cheap tour where they don't follow the rules.
Good luck.[/QUOTE]
I just thought that I would remind members that with a little preparation and taking advantage of web sites such as Date In Asia and Tagged a good return can be achieved in pursuing our hobby.
A few years ago I got a job in Hanoi on a three year contract and for the first two months lived a celibate lifestyle, my first stroke of luck came with a chance encounter in a small restaurant near my apartment when a woman helped me out with a language misunderstanding. We got talking and arranged to meet again the following night in the same restaurant, she was married with two kids from the south and attending a course in Hanoi, after a few meetings the inevitable happened and we continued on a regular basis until six weeks later her course finished and she returned to My Tho.
During this period I started to chat with a number of ladies using DIA and Tagged and my second success was another married lady who wanted to experience a western man as everyone said that they had bigger cocks than Vietnamese men. She was fantastic with the tightest pussy I have ever entered she would come to me for a fuck and I would go to her house to eat with her family. No 3 a television reporter on secondment from a television station in the south. No 4 who started out as purely as a business transaction texted me after our second session asking if she could come the following night free of charge and three years we still meet at least once a week and apart from the odd meal no money changes hands. No 5 was a strange girl who although was a great fuck was a little clinging, No 7 was another business transaction a strange girl with bright orange hair good fuck but weird!!. No 8 a university lecturer with a fantastic body and once she got going was difficult to stop, married again and only lived two streets away but that didn’t seem to put her off. No 9 a fashion designer, unfortunately we only spent one weekend together but it was worth it. No 10 very cute, very small who knew how to please a man and lived with her American boyfriend who had promised to marry but was not coming up with the goods and she suspected was having a bit on the side, so she decided to do the same. I also managed to arrange a number of successful meetings during trips to HCMC and Da Nang. There were of course some failures however the chase was fun, what I enjoyed about most of these girls was that they were not one night stands and indeed three years I still enjoy their company. Having your own apartment is a big plus so much easier to persuade them visit a living room rather straight into a bedroom.
I have also had success with DIA and Tagged in Thailand, Malaysia, and Hong Kong
What did surprise me was the number of married women in Vietnam who wanted a bit on the side with a western man, there was even a woman in our office who knew I had a number of girlfriends but still wanted the odd lunch time fuck.
You are right, and also a number of men are on that site too.
And on the other side, number of married werstern men want to try sex with Vietnamese girls or South East Asian girls.
[QUOTE=Blackfootballer]And on the other side, number of married werstern men want to try sex with Vietnamese girls or South East Asian girls.[/QUOTE]
I agree with both your comments, however what I was trying to say was that I was surprised how many married Vietnamese ladies wanted sex with an slightly overweight 60 year old man who was prepared to give them a little attention
Just arrived in Hanoi yesterday for business. Was dismayed after reading the reports on the forum, seems like having a little fun in this town is tough.
Finished working late grabbed some dinner at the hotel then asked the concierge to arrange a taxi to take me to the Sheraton Hotel, wanted to check out the Nutz bar.
Arrived there just before midnight, very loud music, its quite dark and has circular bar in the middle, was by myself so parked up at the bar ordered a beer and take in the atmosphere. Which is pretty flat although the place had quite a few people both foreigners and locals. And of course a few working girls.
Eventually one strolled over and tried to start a conversation, after the initial hellos had passed she went for the kill and took a translation out on her phone. "you want to go with me" I checked her out, gave her a 4 out of 10 so just said no thanks.
10 mins later another girl who had been exchanging glances for a while came over. We started making chit chat, she was pretty talkative, quite pretty 6-7/10. Eventually she asked if we could go together. $100us plus $30 for the hotel. I thought for a little while haggled a little but she wasnt budging, but thought what the hell she had a good attitude about her she was smart and could hold a proper conversation in English. We took a taxi 2min ride down some alley and ended up a little hotel, which was functional and relatively clean.
We had a quick shower then hit the bed playing with each other and kissing touching and teasing each other for a little while before getting down to it. She was pretty good and we managed to switch a few positions before the little chap had to explode!
I was pretty knackered after, and she was asking me to go again for round 2, but decided that heading home was probably the right thing as had meeting to attend in the morning and it was already 2. 30am. We cleaned up and dressed. Got into a taxi, she paid in advance for it in advance telling the taxi driver would drop me to the hotel, as she had to leave en route. Taxi dropped me safely back to my hotel.
Overall she may not have been an absolute stunner, but after reading the forum my expectation was low for having fun in Hanoi. It was money well spent she was a nice girl. HCM is much wilder.
Would I have her again? Probably not, would like to play the field.
But to help others out there, Nutz bar does get you some action, if all the girls there have the same attitude then have fun and enjoy.
Checked out "Angelina" in the Sofitel Metropole walked in about 11pm Thursday night, the place was packed, think someone was having a party. A handful of very good looking girls there very well dressed. Not quite sure if they were on the menu or just locals having fun.
Decided to take a taxi back to Nutz bar at the Sheraton around 1am, but once in the taxi and the alcohol was kicking in I decided to do something. Even though I RTFF, I still decided to ask the taxi driver to take me somewhere (must be something with this hobby), he suggested Karoke. What a fool I was. Went to this place, two very pretty girls an 8 and a 9 were with me, just for company they cost nothing tip was peanuts, negotiated with one of them for after karoke fun, the girls left so I could pau the bill, classic rip off at this point the Karoke bill was a killer only after 1 hour. Beers, Juices, cocktails, snacks/ peanuts, fruits etc, got completely cheated here. Paid $300us to clear the bill and get the hell out of this place.
Lost my appetite for the girls too, next time I better show better judgement, for anyone else out there. RTFF and don't let the alcohol cloud your better judgement.
[QUOTE=Frequent]Just arrived in Hanoi yesterday for business. Was dismayed after reading the reports on the forum, seems like having a little fun in this town is tough.
Finished working late grabbed some dinner at the hotel then asked the concierge to arrange a taxi to take me to the Sheraton Hotel, wanted to check out the Nutz bar.
[/QUOTE]
Good report on your experience and yes, if you don't care how much you pay for a girl in this poorest of poor nations, then you can have some fun easily. Going rate for a short-time fuck like this in a mini hotel should be 500k or less ($25) but it is admittedly very hard to make the contacts for the newly arrived on business without the time to look. Mini hotel rate is really less than $10 so that was another $20 for her. All in all, she did very well, $120 for a late night short time with a polite guy.
JD
After the conference I checked into the Dragon Hotel, 5 min walk from the Sheraton and Nutz. It is a lovely Chinese style hotel on 48 Xuan Dieu Street. US$39 per night. Girl friendly!!!
I looked for girls in Nutz and had them come over to the Dragon. No problem at all.
ShT US100, overnight US150, the common expat price
[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]Hi Friends,
I'm staying at the Sheraton. Under the Sheraton is the Nutz Bar with many WG. They quote US$150 for overnight (not cheap, but they don't seem to be willing to discount. giving the location, clientele, etc., not a big surprise)
However, it is not possible to bring a girl into the Sheratoon after 21:00 pm. If you want to do so, you have to rent an extra room for her. The girls say there is a small hotel in 1 minute walking distance where you can go for a ST.
Quality on average is 5-7 and some speak some English.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]ShT US100, overnight US150, the common expat price[/QUOTE]Ridiculous. That's the price you pay for a Vietnamese girl in Hong Kong who is on her own travel expenses (which is about 1 mio VND per day). If you have money to dispose of, I can give you my account number.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888]Ridiculous. That's the price you pay for a Vietnamese girl in Hong Kong who is on her own travel expenses (which is about 1 mio VND per day). If you have money to dispose of, I can give you my account number.[/QUOTE]
He, he, he and I guess you are a real specialist for Hanoi, knowing the place in and out.
your recently, and expensive, acquired knowledge. Thanks for posting your dismal review and TOFTT.
So called "karaoke" places are, without exception, ridiculous.
I have never understood how they stay in business, let alone how ubiquitous they seem to be.
I'd love to have more information from one of our bi-lingual brothers about how you can make these places work for the customer. I mean they must provide something reasonable, I would imagine, since there are so many of them around.
When I have been in one I absolutely do not allow anything besides one beer to touch the table in front of me, or anywhere else in the room. I am very careful to ask "bao nhieu", how much, before agreeing to even have a beer, which I don't touch, since I don't drink. That usually causes the lights to be turned back up and the bill for one beer to be presented after about 10 minutes.
Great entertainment though as the cutie attempts to futilely beguile me in Vietnamese and meanwhile a smorgasbord of gum, peanuts, fruit platters and more Heinekens are presented and whisked away.
The obligatory "mama-san" shows up and in her dozen words of English, garnished in a career working on her back, gives the desperate last effort to separate me form my cash.
The walk out through the nonplussed dudes, the "Heavies" that back up the eventual demands for your cash if you allow anything to be opened on the table, while smiling broadly and fending off desperate pleas for tips, is amusing. It would probably be an intimidating gauntlet for some folks though.
[QUOTE=Beijing Fox]He, he, he and I guess you are a real specialist for Hanoi, knowing the place in and out.[/QUOTE]
The only thing I know is that they will happily accept double the amount if offered and make it the going rate if they can.
Hey everyone,
I've read through this page because I am headed there at the start of December.
Unlike many of you I can speak almost fluent Vietnamese, reason is my parents are Hoa (Chinese who lived in vietnam) I've been to Vietnam 2 times and I will give quick reports.
First trip was 6 years ago when from north to south. We still have family there so I had to keep my fun on the down-low as not to embarrass or cause issues for anyone.
Well I visited with a friend and after a few days late at night in the hotel I struck up a conversation with the night clerk who was a younger guy in his 20's. I made what seemed like idle chit chat in the lobby for a bit then I saw some very nice young girls come to the hotel at 11pm and they looked like pros. I then softly hit the "oh girls here are different then ones from back home" after that it lead to "if you want a girl I can find for you and bring to room". Yes please was my reply.
After about 1 hour 2 cute young girls showed up. One for me and one for my friend, we had some drinks in the room some talk and then to the action. Service was very good and it only cost 400, 000 per girl. Mine gave me her number (as I was mid 20s as well and she wanted to hang out)
I was going to take her to halong bay but couldn't last minute cause a family member decided to take me and therefore I had to bail on my new cute friend.
As I went down through the cities I met a few others
A notable experience in HCMC was meeting up with a cousin of a friend who was from a wealthy family so he had spent time in the US and learned english. We went to a few massage places then one night I did the same soft sell. "oh girls here are awsome. " he was like "if you want l will call some girls" so after dropping off his very hot girlfriend, we headed to a nice local outdoor bar and waited, 20 minutes later a very hot girl dressed like she was ready to go clubbing showed up, she obviously knew my local connection and said she could hook us up.
We ended up waiting for this other girl who showed up and she seemed the opposite, shy, not dressed up etc.
We out for a bit, then a hotel, he took the hot club girl, I got the sweet natural beauty. From what I could tell she was not a regular pro, prob did this very little or if at all before.
We had a great time for the whole night, cost was 800, 000. I tipped her another 500, 000 and told her not to tell the other girl as I KNOW she wasn't a pro and thought this extra could help her a bit.
FLASH FORWARD. Two summers ago.
I was banging this Chinese student over in the US, she invited me to visit her home town in Southern China. I did but knowing she had a family approved 'boyfriend' there that they wanted her to marry I knew chances of action where going to be sparse.
Well besides a crazy trip in China where we had to sneak around all over (her dad is a police commissioner and her family has connections in business and government I was taking risks for sure).
I decided to head to Hanoi for a bit to visit some family. The Chinese girl decided she wanted to come too and her family would only let her come if her 'boyfriend' went. DAMN!
Anyways we get to Hanoi and my travel companions are less then impressed, (Never travel with spoiled rich kids) so anyways they hid in the hotel a lot. I decided that I wouldn't punish myself and and had a friendly conversation with the motorbike cab driver outside my hotel.
I was going to get him to bring a girl back to the hotel for me but the douche
Bag at the hotel counter wanted a big bribe (or I thought he was being a douche but maybe he wasn't) Anyways since that was a no go me and the driver took off and he took me to another part of town that I wasn't familiar with, down one ally saw many girls on the back of scooters being driven by the mama'sans.
My viet is good but I let the driver do most of the talking, first they asked if we wanted to play and he said yes. Second they asked if I was vietm, my driver said Of Course he is, I replied "if I'm not viet then what am I supposed to be" keeping it short so that they wouldn't detect my accent.
Ok so I wander through the girls going past some 4-6s, till we see this snotty looking 7. 5-8. There was something about her that I said I wanted the prissy one.
Anyways cost to me was 250, 000 'for everything' that included the room ST and the girl (yes that was the price for everything) The little hotel or place was very basic but had room with a washroom where I took a shower, got my game on with the girl.
I tipped her 100, 000 cause I liked her and then she gave me her number (which I have to the motorbike cabby cause he liked her too and I was leaving the next day).
Anyways end of the day speaking vietnamese helps alot in the scene.
On this trip back I'm going to try and see if I can tag a non-pro girl first, or maybe I'll have some fun and mix it up.
I'll be in Hanoi for 7 weeks so I have time.
I just wanted to share my experiences cause I found the ones here very helpful.
Hey! I am new in Hanoi! I want to try this amazing sex life in that city! Can anyone is willing to hang out together and try some MP or Cat Toc?
I am still to shy to enter alone.
Hey! I am new in Hanoi! I was wondering if someone is willing to go with me in some MP or Cat Toc! I will feel really stange to go alone and I am a little bit shy to go alone.
So if anyone is interesting, just PM!
[QUOTE=Chesterfield]There's another interesting option in Hang Chui off Tran Hung Dao. From Tran Hung Dao cross the Karaoke place on the left and come to the MP on the right. Forget the name of the place but it has a glowing sign. Ticket is 200K. Unlike most other places, you do not pay upfront, but pay after the massage. Also the doors are sliding and do not have the frosted windows so anything short of FS goes. Most girls here do not even do a pretence of a massage, preferring to slap you on the back a few times before turning you over and getting to business. I was allocated Nguyen - maybe a 6 / 10 but what she lacked in looks, she made up for in enthusiasm. 2 BJs in 45 minutes with great technique but no CIM. Also allowed to liberally feel her up as she loosened her top and bottom. She will not strip. Tipped her 200K and she was happy - later found out thats the standard tip but most girls will only blow you once. A word of warning - the place is not very clean - the usual wet tissues for wiping. But its the closest place near the Old Quarter where a BJ is always on the table. And 22$ for 2 BJs is pretty good value[/QUOTE]We went there with my friend yesterday, they asked us for 400k per massage, we gave them 300k and then no tip at all as we thought that it was included in the payment - probably somehow mismanaged it (first time VN experience). Of course they asked for the tip, but we smiled and went just away as we thought 300k was ok. My friend got BJ without CIM and i got only HJ spent there something like 30 minutes at most.
Anyway we will be around Hanoi for three more weeks, so if someone would like to have a beer with us, just PM.
Your description of that place is still valid.
Finally, I went alone in a Cat Toc on Dai Co Viet! They have three near the recent bridge in front of the Thong Nhat Park in the other side of the street! 200k to enter and 120k for the performance! Girls are like 6 to 7 on 10.
If you know some other blow job places, can you write some adresses!
[QUOTE=Okurka]We went there with my friend yesterday, they asked us for 400k per massage, we gave them 300k and then no tip at all as we thought that it was included in the payment - probably somehow mismanaged it (first time VN experience). Of course they asked for the tip, but we smiled and went just away as we thought 300k was ok. My friend got BJ without CIM and i got only HJ spent there something like 30 minutes at most.
Anyway we will be around Hanoi for three more weeks, so if someone would like to have a beer with us, just PM.
Your description of that place is still valid.[/QUOTE]Would that be in Hang Chuoi (with an additional "o")? Or is there a Hang Chui as well, that doesn't appear in google maps? I had a look in Hang Chuoi this afternoon, and while there are karaoke places aplenty I saw only one rather ordinary-looking massage place just around a corner. Is that the one? Perhaps it's easier to tell after dark, but it would be terribly embarrassing to ask for a BJ in the wrong place.
[QUOTE=Pemcd]+++++
Nha nghi hoa dao (hoa dao hotel) at so: 22 duong ho boi (22 swimming pool road). 600k + 100k tip (I know we got ripped off but it was late) for 1 hour fun with cute girls.
I tried 2 more places in the same street, one at 46 to ngee van (called nha nghi van loi) and one at samew street at hoiuse no 23 or 22. The first place hoa dao hotel is justr 50 meters fm this place, so think there must be a new street name in between.
At the other 2 places had 1 hour fun for 500k + 200k tip. All over good experiences, I preferred the place at no. 46 and went there twice. Also open in the afternoon til late.[/QUOTE]So, is this some kind of FS place?
From your report I am not sure, if you paid for FS or for MP only.
Thanks
F. Ck that, four days in Hanoi and we still didn't manged to fuck a single girl.
To get a BJ or HJ isn't something hard for us, but we need to really fuck some nice little vietnamese ladies, otherwise we are going to die. Two days ago we went to karaoke with our local friend, I took one which was available for boom boom and rest said to us "no boom boom", even our local friend was surprised a lot by this situation.
Yesterday we check out Solace Bar and Phuc tan Bar if there is some paid pussy available and although we looked as two horny dogs, nothing was offered to us. Then we went into another bar, got together with some guys from the Spain, asked a barman for address where to go for boom boom and went on the hunt. We agreed on 400k per person with bordelmamma and went for a bussines. Well, I am fucking my girl for something like one minute and she started to scream that I have a big cock and it hurts her, not possible to fuck her anymore. She wasnt much interested on finishing me by hand, so when I saw her face it completely turned me down and I went away.
My friend was told by his girl, that she is pregnant, feel cold and have headeache, so no boom boom please. Well, he ended up like me.
Today, I hook up with a guy who works in our hotel, only to get ripped off by him, because I misunderstand him. I understood him 250k for boomboom (the small price should made me suspicious) while he asked for 2. 5 milion for it. Hard to argue with him about the price, since he has our passport on the hotel reception and the payment was after the service. They took me to the brothel(or massage place) close to the Sheraton, there were around 15 nice girls to choose from, rank 7-9, I choosed some nice lady and the only thing she was able to do in the room was asking for a tip or more money. Although she was really nice, it wasnt possible for me to get hard as her only words were "money" or "tip" and were all the time arguing about it. Of course, I was thinking about giving her some tip so she can shutup and mind more about our bussiniess, but I was warned by the guys to not give them any money as they are going to pay it instead of me. After something like 30 minutes I rather went away. So there I am, probably the biggest idiot in Hanoi right now.
[QUOTE=Porklobster]Would that be in Hang Chuoi (with an additional "o")? Or is there a Hang Chui as well, that doesn't appear in google maps? I had a look in Hang Chuoi this afternoon, and while there are karaoke places aplenty I saw only one rather ordinary-looking massage place just around a corner. Is that the one? Perhaps it's easier to tell after dark, but it would be terribly embarrassing to ask for a BJ in the wrong place.[/QUOTE]
Yes it was Hang Chuoi. As the guy wrote before me, "Hang Chui off Tran Hung Dao. From Tran Hung Dao cross the Karaoke place on he left and come to the MP on the right" (it was something like 300 meters from cross of Tran Hung Dao and Hang Chuoi).
Just go there, look like a "horny dog" and they will offer sex massage to you.
[QUOTE=Okurka]Today, I hook up with a guy who works in our hotel, only to get ripped off by him, because I misunderstand him. I understood him 250k for boomboom (the small price should made me suspicious) while he asked for 2. 5 milion for it. Hard to argue with him about the price, since he has our passport on the hotel reception and the payment was after the service. They took me to the brothel(or massage place) close to the Sheraton, there were around 15 nice girls to choose from, rank 7-9, I choosed some nice lady and the only thing she was able to do in the room was asking for a tip or more money. Although she was really nice, it wasnt possible for me to get hard as her only words were "money" or "tip" and were all the time arguing about it. Of course, I was thinking about giving her some tip so she can shutup and mind more about our bussiniess, but I was warned by the guys to not give them any money as they are going to pay it instead of me. After something like 30 minutes I rather went away. So there I am, probably the biggest idiot in Hanoi right now.[/QUOTE]I find out that this story is from To Ngoc Van, the number was probably 46.
The reports from 2008 about this street are stating the price should be around 500k, so got ripped for 2 millions.
Well, the lesson learned. And never ever I am going to choose the best looking girl in the brothel, they are usually the ones not working hard and trying to get as much money as possible.
But probably will go there again to check it out without any hustler.
I finally found the Hang Chuoi place: as I suspected, it is NOT the legit-looking massage place (which does, however, offer an excellent proper massage), but a far seedier place further down towards the end of the road with a sign saying "heath services" (sic). Perhaps they have gotten wise to the ISG writeup, but the price I was quoted was 400K. Does that include everything? I asked, and was told yes yes, although nobody there spoke much English really. OK, previous reports had mentioned 200+200, so perhaps they want it all up front now, I thought, and entered.
The girl was rather chubby and at least in her late 30s, but was quite friendly and gave me a decent massage before proceeding to the BJ. When I tried to finger her pussy, she removed my hand saying she was on her period. Oh well, never mind. No CIM either, but it felt good anyway. Then as I'm about to leave, she asks for a tip. Wasn't that supposed to be included? I ask. No, the 400K was for mamasan "and then I get nothing" she says, looking unhappy, so I give her another 200. On the way out, I ask the mamasan about this and she confirmed that 400K was indeed now the price for the house. ISG inflation?
The next day I was in Cat Ba, where any number of bike drivers and other people offered boom-boom for 300K. I followed one of them to a place slightly up the hill from the harbor, where a handful of girls were available. I picked a rather cute young thing with nice tits and followed her up to a foul-smelling room on the second floor, where she immediately got undressed and under the cover. No washing and no pretense of massage whatsoever. But as soon as I touched her pussy I felt the string of a tampon. Is this a conspiracy or something, or just my bad luck? She was also on her period, and if I had been able to communicate a bit better with her or the staff I would have gotten another girl, but now I had to settle for a rather lackluster BJ. But after a while, she suddenly whips out a condom and lets me fuck her after all. Alas, after only a couple of seconds of this, she jumps off, literally dripping blood, and goes off to wash herself. When she came back, all she would give me was a HJ, but I didn't really insist on anything more at that point.
Tonight, I'm in Haiphong, which is a peculiar place. It's a huge city of several million people where I walked around today for 5-6 hours without seeing a single other Westerner. Inevitably, there were also a number of offers of boom-boom for 300K. This time, luckily, the girl was NOT on her period and she was rather cuddly too, so at last I was able to do some proper porking. So far so good, but as I was about to leave, having handed over the money to the girl, suddenly this thug shows up, trying to write me a bill in order to extort even more money. No way, I say, and just pushed him aside and walked out of there. He was extremely persistent, but as I was twice his size, he thankfully didn't try to start a fight. Nevertheless, he pursued me for a long while on his bike, asking for an additional "10 dollars for the room" and even stopped me from getting into a taxi and claiming he was going to the police. Now that would be the day. When a pimp goes to the police to complain! At long last I lost him, and I never paid more than the agreed-upon 300K, but the bastard still ruined the experience of some nice sex with a nice girl.
Mongering in Northern Vietnam is getting silly so I'll stop.
[QUOTE=Porklobster]I finally found the Hang Chuoi place: as I suspected, it is NOT the legit-looking massage place (which does, however, offer an excellent proper massage), but a far seedier place further down towards the end of the road with a sign saying "heath services" (sic). Perhaps they have gotten wise to the ISG writeup, but the price I was quoted was 400K. Does that include everything? I asked, and was told yes yes, although nobody there spoke much English really. OK, previous reports had mentioned 200+200, so perhaps they want it all up front now, I thought, and entered.
[/QUOTE=Porklobster]it looks you made the same mistake like we in the story about Hang Chuoi 28 as we gave them 400k and then no tip at all. Two days ago, we were leaving Hanoi and we came back to the Hang Chuoi 28 and nobody looked at us in bad way. They asked for 400k, we told them 200k, they said no and we tried to go away - of course, 200k offer was immediately accepted. After the action, me and my friend gave 100k tip each and everything was ok. Yes, its a bit sleazy place, but thanks god for this relief.
now i only pray for our Hanoi friends to not drink so much when we are together. 2x times we were promised to go somewhere, but all of them had excuses of being drunken too much at the moment, while they all the time before spoked about using boomboom services.
I arrived in Hanoi a few days ago, had hard time adjusting to the time change, then family all want me to go here and there. I had to stay with relatives for a few days.
I will be getting a hotel for the rest of my stay near the old quarter. The hotel is girl friendly, (I emailed first asking specifically about that) and the owner was cool with it but said he wouldn't be responsible for anything stolen, and I told him I was cool with that because I'll leave most of my things at my uncle's place.
So I hope to put in a better report soon, the funny thing is lots of family and friends are introducing me to 'nice girls' who they want me to consider for marriage. Its like being a poor kid in front of a candy shop, can look but I cannot fool around with these girls or I will cause a big problem for my family here. I will keep things seprate.
Love Vietnam so far, once I rent my own scooter in a few days and have a hotel I can come home late, I'm going to try and meet some girls at the bars and clubs.
[QUOTE=Okurka]Then we went into another bar, got together with some guys from the Spain, asked a barman for address where to go for boom boom and went on the hunt. We agreed on 400k per person with bordelmamma and went for a bussines. Well, I am fucking my girl for something like one minute and she started to scream that I have a big cock and it hurts her, not possible to fuck her anymore. She wasnt much interested on finishing me by hand, so when I saw her face it completely turned me down and I went away.
My friend was told by his girl, that she is pregnant, feel cold and have headeache, so no boom boom please. Well, he ended up like me.[/QUOTE]So I found out today that this story was from Cua Bac St, there are some brothels where the taximan or any other rip-off man will try to take you (well not all of the taximans are bad guys, but when it comes to the boomboom most of them probably are).
Today we started to play the game "rip-off your local rip-off man". Drinking on street, talking to some local guy (yes, I know the rule don't ever believe anyone from the street, but he looked like more trusthworthy then other scammers here), after like one hour he propose us boomboom for 1. 2 milion (me, my friend and him) paid by us. So we agreed and we even told him, if everthing will be ok we could go again day after (to make more incentive for him).
So we went by taxi to Cua Bac St, but there was no boomboom available as we were too early (around 4pm), then we went with him for massage, he promised not more then 13usd and the taxi is on his account. So we went something like 8km to the outskirts of hanoi to some shithole, he then change his mind and asked for 20usd per massage (the girls were nice, but in this kind of shitholes the locals probably pay something like 5-7usd for massage, excluding the tip). When we saw the conditions we decided to just walk a way as we realize he is trying to earn some "big dongs" on our account. So he made a lot of screams, tried to chase us for around 10 minutes with taxi man, asked for 250 dongs for way with the taxi (on the single backway we paid something like 80k dongs), but we didn't gave them a single dong as we walk away from them.
Well those guys needs to learn a lesson that you can't simply scam any joe6pack coming from west countries. Really, we arent greedy guys, we have no problem to pay for a good vietnamese pussy in our homeland 100-150usd per hour, but we will not support anyone with even single dong trying to rip us off here. We are learning fastly.
Anyone Know where I can get a haircut with extras? I know they have them in HCMC but not sure where to go in Hanoi.
Also I've just tried Nutz bar, New Square and no pro's to be seen. Where would you guys suggest?
I have a lead from a cabbie that fun can be had for 350, 000 so I'm going to check that out but I wouldn't mind paying a a little more for a hot club-bar type girl.
[QUOTE=Hondaz50; 1102190]Anyone Know where I can get a haircut with extras? I know they have them in HCMC but not sure where to go in Hanoi.
Also I've just tried Nutz bar, New Square and no pro's to be seen. Where would you guys suggest?
I have a lead from a cabbie that fun can be had for 350, 000 so I'm going to check that out but I wouldn't mind paying a a little more for a hot club-bar type girl. [/QUOTE]Good luck with your lead from cabbie, and I would be very surprise if it is NOT a scam! In hanoi, leads about boom boom from cabbies are 101% scam!
Pham van Dong is a street well west of the center of Hanoi, by taxi from the Old quarter you should expect to pay 100, 000 (5 dollars USD) if you take one of the mini cabs, if you take a mid sized prices goes up.
I went there with a cabbie contact, and the picking were slim at the early hour. After 930pm is best. You will see women sitting around in store fronts beside closed gated shop fronts. Drive slow along Pham Van Dong north of Hoang Quoc Viet. And when you see a group or ladies wave you in stop off and talk to them.
If you don't speak viet like I do then you can just use sign language or a pad of paper to negotiate. Always ask the price first. I saw a girl that was a hard 7. 5 here. The price was 150, 000 (yep not a typo) and another 100, 000 for wetting your whistle with her mouth before hand. This place is like eating in a food court or fast food joint you will get in and out quick no fancy dinning room.
So for a total of 250, 000 quick service, I prefer GFE myself but its good to know and pass on.
As for the cabbie he later tried to scame me out of 200, 000 when I was going to give him more then that anyways (dumb a*ss) so yeah fair warning don't trust the cabbies (most anyways).
Cheers
Dear friends.
Can anyone advice 3* or budget hotel with girl friendly Policy? Which part of hanoi is better for tourists.
It would be appreciated if let me know the actions in hanoi, because it will be my first time to Hanoi.
Thanks for your replies.
Rgerads,
Alex
[QUOTE=Xxanty; 1110562]Dear friends.
Can anyone advice 3* or budget hotel with girl friendly Policy? Which part of hanoi is better for tourists.
It would be appreciated if let me know the actions in hanoi, because it will be my first time to Hanoi.
Thanks for your replies.
Rgerads,
Alex[/QUOTE]EVERYBODY you meet in Hanoi will try to cheat you if not downright rip you off. That means hotel receptionist, waiter, girls you meet anywhere, taxi driver, cyclo driver, t-shirt seller, massage staff from receptionist to service provider to cleaner to moto parker. Everybody. After your trip, write back here and tell me if I was right.
JD
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1110754]EVERYBODY you meet in Hanoi will try to cheat you if not downright rip you off. That means hotel receptionist, waiter, girls you meet anywhere, taxi driver, cyclo driver, t-shirt seller, massage staff from receptionist to service provider to cleaner to moto parker. Everybody. After your trip, write back here and tell me if I was right.
JD[/QUOTE]The hotel where I stayed (Prince, 65 Hang Cot) was fine (no cheating at all. 16 USD for an ok room in the old quarters) as was the gold shop to exchange even large amounts. But as the general rule you are pretty right. I don't like Hanoi at all for exactly that reason.
[QUOTE=Tiger 888;1110769]The hotel where I stayed (Prince, 65 Hang Cot) was fine (no cheating at all. 16 USD for an ok room in the old quarters) as was the gold shop to exchange even large amounts. But as the general rule you are pretty right. I don't like Hanoi at all for exactly that reason.[/QUOTE]Count your money very carefully at the gold shop and DO NOT step away from the counter until you are finished counting in front of the cashier. Don't worry about the people in line behind you, they will wait patiently. Common scam is to short you 100k. When you point it out they can say "Oh sorry, my mistake" and hand over another 100k. If you don't point it out they are 100k richer. If you walk away and then come back to point it out, you have no argument.
In the hotel, clarify everything, especially VAT (10%). Common scam is to tell you it is included on check-in, then tell you it's not included on check-out. Also beware local phone charges, breakfast, etc. Clarify all beforehand and better write it down. Normal for them to change things at the end, when time to pay, especially if you are in a hurry or not in the mood to argue over a few extra dollars.
JD
Hi.
Travelling to Hanoi in March 2011 for the 1st time.
Can anyone suggest some girl friendly hotels in the action area.
Where is the action area? In the old quater?
Thanks
Hilton at Hanoi Opera is GF, as one would expect of a 4-5 * hotel, there was a WG sitting on a scooter out the side door, biy chubby, but OK.
Hi everyone.
There is a website called Saigon Escorts that has pics of girls that are apparently available for company. They are really expensive but very hot chicks. They ask for 50% deposit to book. Has anyone used their services before? Are the legit?
[QUOTE=AussieDoug;1114076]Hilton at Hanoi Opera is GF, as one would expect of a 4-5 * hotel, there was a WG sitting on a scooter out the side door, biy chubby, but OK.[/QUOTE]Right Doug, as anyone who has read a bit through the Vietnam Forum would know, Four and Five Star Hotels in Vietnam are always those that are most likely to be GF.
JD
[QUOTE=Soulmanx07; 1116434]Hi everyone.
There is a website called Saigon Escorts that has pics of girls that are apparently available for company. They are really expensive but very hot chicks. They ask for 50% deposit to book. Has anyone used their services before? Are they legit? [/QUOTE]If you think they are, I will send you some pictures of real hot, pretty girls, give you an account number for you to deposit $100 to, then later I will introduce you to the girl and you can give her another $100 for meeting you. Later, you can even arrange to have sex with her for some more money. Oh sorry, the short answer to your last question, NO.
JD
Haha yeah I figured those girls were too good to be true. Thanks!
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1116442]Right Doug, as anyone who has read a bit through the Vietnam Forum would know, Four and Five Star Hotels in Vietnam are always those that are most likely to be GF.
JD[/QUOTE]Just in case anyone might not get it, JD is being sarcastic. To be clear for the uninitiated visitors: There is no 5 star hotel in Vietnam that is GF, and very few 4 star that are.
[QUOTE=Xxanty; 1112690]Hi.
Travelling to Hanoi in March 2011 for the 1st time.
Can anyone suggest some girl friendly hotels in the action area.
Where is the action area? In the old quater?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Depends on your budget. There really is no action area, but if you stay in 3 star, you can usually bring one you find somewhere back with you, at least ST, and you can always before 10pm. You also can try the Fortuna Hotel. Do a search here to find out more.
Hi guys,
I did rttf and searched for info on the Fortuna hotel night club but could only find info from 2008.
Would anybody care to let me know what the current situation in Fortuna hotel / boss club is?
Much appreciated.
[QUOTE=Explorerman;1116576]Depends on your budget. There really is no action area, but if you stay in 3 star, you can usually bring one you find somewhere back with you, at least ST, and you can always before 10pm. You also can try the Fortuna Hotel. Do a search here to find out more.[/QUOTE]
Your looking for some action in Hanoi. Your a pale faced tourist wandering around the lake clueless. You can't find a proper brothel or disco. Sex happens in Hanoi you just got to find it. And like a lot of Vietnam most sex for pay caters to the local males and not long dong silver. We found a motorbike driver that took us a couple K's out of central to a backstreet that had a bunch of girls standing around and motorbike runners of their own. They rode up beside us, we picked girls and rode back to our Hotel which admitted them while holding their I'd cards. We cleared with the Hotel beforehand that we could bring in the girls. A prerequisite often coupled with a trashy room. The sex was quick. For me pleasurable. The cost fifty dollar.
Gouging happens all the time in North Vietnam. Example trashy local Vietnamese restaurants or stalls with menus that didn't have prices on it were probably charging us double. Bring a phrase book and make sure you learn how to ask the how much beforehand. Typically if some Vietnamese pimp or anyone else is trying to rush you to pay for something right away then your probably going to get burned. So I your thinking weather you want to buy something or not and the person looking at you is yelling money money I would suggest you back out and find satisfaction somewhere else.
Horrible experience at Cat Ba Island. We went to a shop house with about 8 chicks and 4 pimps. One of them was Mr dick wad in a mafia suit. I was convinced to pay 400, 000 dong beforehand and followed what seemed like a decent looking chick upstairs to a partitioned space large enough to contain a bed. She would not do anything but make a grimace face and rattle my wet noodle and ask for more money. She did remove her pants but she would not even take her shirt off. She was sitting all curled up and she would not let me touch her. She was shooting off at the mouth every time I tried to get intimate with her or touch her. Eventually mighty penis was twirling like a propeller and I wasn't going anywhere. Totally humiliated I got out of there with nothing. Cat Ba is a beautiful island.
[QUOTE=Globotto;1123774]Horrible experience at Cat Ba Island. We went to a shop house with about 8 chicks and 4 pimps. One of them was Mr dick wad in a mafia suit. I was convinced to pay 400, 000 dong beforehand and followed what seemed like a decent looking chick upstairs to a partitioned space large enough to contain a bed. She would not do anything but make a grimace face and rattle my wet noodle and ask for more money. She did remove her pants but she would not even take her shirt off. She was sitting all curled up and she would not let me touch her. She was shooting off at the mouth every time I tried to get intimate with her or touch her. Eventually mighty penis was twirling like a propeller and I wasn't going anywhere. Totally humiliated I got out of there with nothing. Cat Ba is a beautiful island.[/QUOTE]Never pay first. The guys downstairs just kept your money and told the girl to get some from you herself if you want to do something with her.
JD
[QUOTE=Globotto;1123774]Gouging happens all the time in North Vietnam.[/QUOTE]Gouging also occurs in South Vietnam. Which is worst? Hanoi or Vung Tau?
[QUOTE=Globotto;1123774]Example trashy local Vietnamese restaurants or stalls with menus that didn't have prices on it were probably charging us double. Bring a phrase book and make sure you learn how to ask the how much beforehand.[/QUOTE]Always need to ask what the prices are beforehand, or they will overcharge you. Even when you see what the locals are paying, you still need to confirm the prices.
Another scam is a restaurant that will have prices on the food, but none on the drinks. Then they will gouge you on the drinks.
[QUOTE=Globotto; 1123774]Horrible experience at Cat Ba Island.
Ask for more money.
She was shooting off at the mouth.
Totally humiliated I got out of there with nothing. [/QUOTE]Sounds like some of my experiences in Vietnam. That's why I'm not returning to Vietnam on my current trip.
[QUOTE=Spider916; 1121078]Hi guys,
I did rttf and searched for info on the Fortuna hotel night club but could only find info from 2008.
Would anybody care to let me know what the current situation in Fortuna hotel / boss club is?
Much appreciated. [/QUOTE]Fortuna is a good place to stay. My info is about 6months old. There is a nightclub in the basement and access is via stairs from the lobby. Girls can be intercepted in and around lobby on occasion. Girls will come to your room. I forget the rate being quoted but I wasn't shocked by it. The spa on one of the higher floors of the hotel is worth a visit. Girls negotiate for tips in the midst of their work. Most unfair, IMHO! The client is given a card on which to state the tip and to sign. Valuables have been secured in the locker room. All in all I can recommend.
NS
[QUOTE=Okurka; 1098659]
[QUOTE=Porklobster]I finally found the Hang Chuoi place: as I suspected, it is NOT the legit-looking massage place (which does, however, offer an excellent proper massage) , but a far seedier place further down towards the end of the road with a sign saying "heath services" (sic). Perhaps they have gotten wise to the ISG writeup, but the price I was quoted was 400K. Does that include everything? I asked, and was told yes yes, although nobody there spoke much English really. OK, previous reports had mentioned 200+200, so perhaps they want it all up front now, I thought, and entered. [/QUOTE=Porklobster]it looks you made the same mistake like we in the story about Hang Chuoi 28 as we gave them 400k and then no tip at all. Two days ago, we were leaving Hanoi and we came back to the Hang Chuoi 28 and nobody looked at us in bad way. They asked for 400k, we told them 200k, they said no and we tried to go away. Of course. 200k offer was immediately accepted. After the action, me and my friend gave 100k tip each and everything was ok. Yes, its a bit sleazy place, but thanks god for this relief.
Now I only pray for our Hanoi friends to not drink so much when we are together. 2x times we were promised to go somewhere, but all of them had excuses of being drunken too much at the moment, while they all the time before spoked about using boomboom services. [/QUOTE]I went to check this place today and there were two ladies that I would rate as 7. Price was 400k dong for massage and $20 for BJ. As the price was so gracy I didn't spend much time for bargaining, so their price stayed that way. Needles to say I didn't try their services.
[QUOTE=Xxanty; 1112690]Hi.
Travelling to Hanoi in March 2011 for the 1st time.
Can anyone suggest some girl friendly hotels in the action area.
Where is the action area? In the old quater?
Thanks[/QUOTE]I am on buisness trip to Hanoi in 3rd week of April.
I wish to know if anybody cares to answer-
1]Names of GF hotels? 3 star or 4 or 5 star?
3] Area of city where I should book hotel which is well connected with nightlife area?
4]What's best option for me? Incall or outcall? Call girl to hotel room or go to MP?
Thanks in advance
I am on buisness trip to Hanoi in 3rd week of April.
I wish to know if you care to answer-
1]Names of GF hotels? 3 star or 4 or 5 star?
3] Area of city where I should book hotel which is well connected with nightlife area?
4]What's best option for me? Incall or outcall? Call girl to hotel room or go to MP?
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Hondaz50; 1102876]Pham van Dong is a street well west of the center of Hanoi, by taxi from the Old quarter you should expect to pay 100, 000 (5 dollars USD) if you take one of the mini cabs, if you take a mid sized prices goes up.
As for the cabbie he later tried to scame me out of 200, 000 when I was going to give him more then that anyways (dumb a*ss) so yeah fair warning don't trust the cabbies (most anyways).
Cheers[/QUOTE]I am on buisness trip to Hanoi in 3rd week of April.
I wish to know if you care to answer-
1]Names of GF hotels? 3 star or 4 or 5 star?
3] Area of city where I should book hotel which is well connected with nightlife area?
4]What's best option for me? Incall or outcall? Call girl to hotel room or go to MP?
Thanks in advance
[QUOTE=Praj4; 1133714]I am on buisness trip to Hanoi in 3rd week of April.
I wish to know if you care to answer-
1]Names of GF hotels? 3 star or 4 or 5 star?
3] Area of city where I should book hotel which is well connected with nightlife area?
4]What's best option for me? Incall or outcall? Call girl to hotel room or go to MP?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]I'd suggest what every other forum member will tell you to do. Go back and read the forum. Try reading about the hotels in the hotel section to get a general feel for the country. There's an abundance of information if you read between the lines.
Just remember that VN is not like its neighbours ie Thailand, Cambodia, Phils etc, Not everything is what it seems.
Good luck calling girls to your 5 star hotels.
[QUOTE=Praj4; 1133714]I am on buisness trip to Hanoi in 3rd week of April.
I wish to know if you care to answer-
1]Names of GF hotels? 3 star or 4 or 5 star?
3] Area of city where I should book hotel which is well connected with nightlife area?
4]What's best option for me? Incall or outcall? Call girl to hotel room or go to MP?
Thanks in advance[/QUOTE]Sorry for the bad news Praj4 but:
1) There are no GF 4 or 5 star hotels.
2)?
3) There is no nightlife area in Hanoi.
4) There are no MP's or other services with incall or outcall.
A simple read of the VN Forum would have told you (as Mik did) that Vietnam is nothing like the PI or Thailand or China, Macau, Singapore, etc. It's in its own league. Think N. Korea, but better.
JD
1, girl friendly hotel 5 star, Hilton opera hanoi. 3, night time areas old quater, arround Hoan kiem lake with manny bars and restaurants, going to APPOCLYPSE, night club in HANOI hotel, dancing club in DAWWOO hotel. 4, call girls to hotel or going to MP are both available in HANOI.
Got to my room, changed and headed to Nutz bar. I actually forgot to set my watch and it was only 9pm (I thought 10pm). Nutz is in the basement of Sheraton.
Went down, there was no-one there except the staff. UGH, decided to wait it out. Got a beer a stool at the front side of the bar. The staff said the place picks up at 10pm. At 9:30pm a girl walks up next to me, chat for 2 mins and then shows me her phone "I come to your hotel"; I politely said no and she did not go away, hovered around since I was the only one there.
10ish, more people started to come in and the music kicked in. LOUD trance and house music. More girls showed up, all shapes and sizes. The pickings were ok. I finally ask one for the rate, she said VND 1Mill for all night. I said VND 1Mill, she accepted. Into taxi back to my hotel.
I had to register my "guest" at the front desk. No problem, went up. She asked for money up front. I refused and told her to leave if she wanted money up front. Argued for about 10 mins. She spoke no English so that didn't really help. She finally accepted. Had 2 round before sleeping. Her BBBJ was so so. I actually forgot to get my own condoms. The ones she had literally chocked my cock. NOTE: Get your own condoms!
Set the alarm to 7:30am, had to grab breakfast and go to a meeting. Woke her up got another lazy round. I wanted to let her out before I got dressed and breakfast. I gave her the 1Mill and she flipped. Said it was to be 200K. WTF? Got into another argument. She refused to leave. Back and forth, she did not budge. I was getting patient and decided to give her another 500K more just to her her out. That made her happy.
Then at the door, hig and kiss, she gets on her knees plays with me under my shorts, gets me hard again and starts BBBJ, then she gets on the bed, takes of her jeans and asks me to fuck her again. Huh? Hhhhmmm. Ok sure.
We have another round, she gets dressed and out the door. PHEW.
This is my first experience in Hanoi and it was interesting.
-JM
stayed at the fortuna (on the capital floors) for recent visit w / malaysian coworker. good prices, good lounge, good hispeed internet, and. a seriously decent ktv downstairs. (it's not the sheraton or the hilton opera, but it's not much below them, which is good for hanoi hotels).
honestly, if you're on a low low budget, it's not ideal, but with an expense account. it's well worth it.
after dinner, we went downstairs to boss, the ktv, waiting for clients to show up who. failed to do so. their loss.
boss was relatively recently renovated from the looks of it.
on a monday night, there were about 75 girls out front in the entrance gauntlet saying "welcome, boss". all sizes, shapes, types (a saw a couple of likely eurasian girls in the mix).
we got to the ktv room, and asked the mammi to bring girls who'd be able / willing to go upstairs later. (not all of the girls will or can. some just do ktv, others will sideline upstairs, as well) she started parading them thru and my colleague and i started taking notes.
my first choice, #71 (classic tall girl in white who could have graced the pages of a fashion mag) , was sadly, scooped up by some other m#f#are in another ktv room while we were comparing notes and comments, and getting sidebar snarks from the mammi. my second choice, #146. nha, was a short, kinda chesty local girl with an almost latin butt. my colleague went with his traditional "young office lady gone bad".
after a couple of hours of johnny walker gold inflamed karaoke, we called it quits. the mammi advised that pricing for the girls was 100$us st. 150$us lt paid to the girl (and from what my colleague sussed from previous trips, the kickback to mammi was minimal, as she got commish on the room for having set up the reservation for my colleague). the girls left while we paid the tab. mammi advised that they'd join us upstairs.
nha joined me for the night, got undressed, dragged me to the bathtub, and scrubbed both of us up before we hit the sheets. didn't get much sleep. she was game for pretty much every option, but turned out to have a day job as a masseuse. which was handy. bbbj, daty, covered front and back work, sleepyhumping (no penetration that time, but i ended up coming on her back). i'd give her a 7 for looks (cute, nice skin in general, flawlessly trimmed bush and waxed pucker) , an 8 for service (she tried way hard, so to speak) , and a 6-7 for skill (knew her way around, but not all the tricks, so to speak).
after a morning rerun, a massage, bath, and some towel-snapping, i packed while she lazed in the tub soaking. kicked her out about 8 with a decent tip, her mobile, and slept soundly on the flight to bkk.
i'll stay at the fortuna again.
Pham van Dong is a street well west of the center of Hanoi, by taxi from the Old quarter you should expect to pay 100, 000 (5 dollars USD) if you take one of the mini cabs, if you take a mid sized prices goes up.
I went there with a cabbie contact, and the picking were slim at the early hour. After 930pm is best. You will see women sitting around in store fronts beside closed gated shop fronts. Drive slow along Pham Van Dong north of Hoang Quoc Viet. And when you see a group or ladies wave you in stop off and talk to them.
If you don't speak viet like I do then you can just use sign language or a pad of paper to negotiate. Always ask the price first. I saw a girl that was a hard 7. 5 here. The price was 150, 000 (yep not a typo) and another 100, 000 for wetting your whistle with her mouth before hand. This place is like eating in a food court or fast food joint you will get in and out quick no fancy dinning room.
So for a total of 250, 000 quick service, I prefer GFE myself but its good to know and pass on.
As for the cabbie he later tried to scame me out of 200, 000 when I was going to give him more then that anyways (dumb a*ss) so yeah fair warning don't trust the cabbies (most anyways).
[QUOTE=Blackfootballer;1137114]1, girl friendly hotel 5 star, Hilton opera hanoi. 3, night time areas old quater, arround Hoan kiem lake with manny bars and restaurants, going to APPOCLYPSE, night club in HANOI hotel, dancing club in DAWWOO hotel. 4, call girls to hotel or going to MP are both available in HANOI.[/QUOTE]Can you recommend any MP's. I'm in Hanoi now. Thanks.
[QUOTE=Mantid;1138739]Can you recommend any MP's. I'm in Hanoi now. Thanks.[/QUOTE]There are many. There is one across the street from Hilton. Try the Hoa Binh hotel. There also is one in the Saigon hotel. Most any place offering sauna and massage is likely to have friendly massage.
[QUOTE=Explorerman;1138810]There are many. There is one across the street from Hilton. Try the Hoa Binh hotel. There also is one in the Saigon hotel. Most any place offering sauna and massage is likely to have friendly massage.[/QUOTE]I have heard about this MP across from the Hilton but can't find it and the cabbies don't know of it. Where exactly across from the Hilton is it? I don't see any sign of an MP across from the Hilton.
Went to Hoa Bin. Special massage was available for 200K.
[QUOTE=Mantid;1138739]Can you recommend any MP's. I'm in Hanoi now. Thanks.[/QUOTE]Apocalypse is closed, Daewoo Hotel had young kids (didn't appear to be any WG's) and the music was overbearing. Nuts at Sheraton has a scene, only a couple of hotties (many older gals with to much mileage) but that kept me busy for two nights. No sign of the MP across from the Hilton. Is it hidden somewhere? Will try the Hanoi Hotel. Thanks.
Try AMG .121 Phung hung street, Diamond D .319 Tayson street, Dragon Fly .8 HANG BUOM, bAR Amazon 10 Bao khanh, Jam .61 Luong ngoc quyen, Civil discotheque . Tran quang khai street, hope you find some fun there
It was out the back / side door of the hotel.
[QUOTE=Mantid; 1141357]I have heard about this MP across from the Hilton but can't find it and the cabbies don't know of it. Where exactly across from the Hilton is it? I don't see any sign of an MP across from the Hilton.
Went to Hoa Bin. Special massage was available for 200K. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JoseMarti; 1137841]Got to my room.
Into taxi back to my hotel.
-JM[/QUOTE]Which hotel was that, JM?
Went to the disco ZERO at 121 Phung hung to day, great music, nice porn dancer, great girls from HOCHMINH dancing in club HANOI, and sexy sexy dancers, making me feel like NEW CENTURY coming back again, I had a very good time there, your guys should come and check.
Yes, it is highly unlikely to meet a girl in Halong Bay unless you have some game and inclination towards the backpacker set. However, there is one nice, and one not so nice, massage places on the beach promenade. The cute young girls sometimes walk up and down the street at sunset passing out brochures. Once you select the girl for a massage, and they usually hang out in front of the establishment during the evening, you can negotiate in their rooms. A few doors down are some much older ladies and it made me wonder how they can possible compete with the younger girls, unless they have a drastically reduced price. I also recall reading somewhere on the forum that there are some local and not especially attractive brothels in the non tourist part of town.
I for one would think that it would be quite difficult to find a local girl, pro or non-pro, to travel with you to Halong Bay. It did not strike me that Hanoi girls would be inclined to travel with a farang as you would find in Bangkok or Bali. Just my observation.
But you might be able to do it, if you have some time to spend in Hanoi to woo and having some Viet language skills would help as well.
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1145755]Hello, JD and other Hanoi-experienced mongers! I'll be in Hanoi (first time) May 4. 7 and am looking to take a sexy girl to Ha Long Bay with me May 5-6. I've read a few pages back and gather that Sheraton / Nutz and Fortuna are probably some of the better pick-up places, yes?
The likelihoood of meeting a girl in Halong Bay is very slim, yes?
Somebody mentioned saigonescorts but at $250 / hour that is ridiculous for Vietnam. I don't even pay that much in the US.
If anyone has any contact info on a nice girl, preferably English-speaking and a little busty would be fantastic. Thanks, guys. Happy mongering! [/QUOTE]
Hey,
I've been trying to find this place for a while. . Maybe you guys can give me some help:
When I first got to Hanoi I woke up early one Thursday morning and felt in need of a massage. Asked a xe-om in the O. Q. To take me somewhere for a "good massage".
He drove around for a while until we finally found a place that was open (It was 11:00am). I was new to the city and had no idea where we were. It was a massage place called something like "Eden's". Had a small LED sign out the front.
I paid 300 000VND for a 1 hour massage. A woman escorted me to a private room with only a tiny window on the door. Inside the room was a massage table, a private steam room (looked like a shower stall) , and a bathtub. She turns on the bathtub and motions for me to get into the steam room. Then she leaves.
I strip and get in the steam room. Wait about 4 minutes and then a different girl comes in. She's a bit older, maybe 34 or 35, but pretty and smiling, and a pretty good set for a Vietnamese bird.
I get out of the steam room. She gives me a full up-and-down look, smiles and motions for me to get in the tub. Then she washes my hair and gives me a scalp massage. After that she washes my body and gives the cock and balls a good wash as well.
I get out of the tub and she towels me off (again, making sure my dick was especially dry). After that, I get on the massage table and she gives me an unbelievable massage and tickles my balls every once in a while too. After she told me to turn onto my back, I was rock hard.
She asks "You want me massage baby?" (The only English she knew). She asked for 200 000VND and I accepted. Gave me a great handy while I fingered her pussy. Didn't mind when my fingers strayed to her asshole either.
After I came, she jerked me for a little while longer and then cleaned me up and gave me a face massage for a few minutes.
I've been to only a few other places since then, but I haven't come across anything similar to this experience. Do you guys know this place? Or another place that has a private bathtub in it? I can't stand the factory-style places with only a curtain seperating you and everyone else. Or the limp-wristed massages followed by limper HJs. The experience of her bathing me was so erotic. I'd love to experience something like it again.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Hey,
I've been trying to find this place for a while. . Maybe you guys can give me some help:
When I first got to Hanoi I woke up early one Thursday morning and felt in need of a massage. Asked a xe-om in the O. Q. To take me somewhere for a "good massage".
He drove around for a while until we finally found a place that was open (It was 11:00am). I was new to the city and had no idea where we were. It was a massage place called something like "Eden's". Had a small LED sign out the front.
I paid 300 000VND for a 1 hour massage. A woman escorted me to a private room with only a tiny window on the door. Inside the room was a massage table, a private steam room (looked like a shower stall) , and a bathtub. She turns on the bathtub and motions for me to get into the steam room. Then she leaves.
I strip and get in the steam room. Wait about 4 minutes and then a different girl comes in. She's a bit older, maybe 34 or 35, but pretty and smiling, and a pretty good set for a Vietnamese bird.
I get out of the steam room. She gives me a full up-and-down look, smiles and motions for me to get in the tub. Then she washes my hair and gives me a scalp massage. After that she washes my body and gives the cock and balls a good wash as well.
I get out of the tub and she towels me off (again, making sure my dick was especially dry). After that, I get on the massage table and she gives me an unbelievable massage and tickles my balls every once in a while too. After she told me to turn onto my back, I was rock hard.
She asks "You want me massage baby?" (The only English she knew). She asked for 200 000VND and I accepted. Gave me a great handy while I fingered her pussy. Didn't mind when my fingers strayed to her asshole either.
After I came, she jerked me for a little while longer and then cleaned me up and gave me a face massage for a few minutes.
I've been to only a few other places since then, but I haven't come across anything similar to this experience. Do you guys know this place? Or somewhere else that has a private bathtub in it? I can't stand the factory-style places with only a curtain seperating you and everyone else. Or the limp-wristed massages followed by limper HJs. The experience of her bathing me was so erotic. I'd love to experience something like it again.
Any help would be much appreciated.
[QUOTE=Mantid; 1141357]I have heard about this MP across from the Hilton but can't find it and the cabbies don't know of it. Where exactly across from the Hilton is it? I don't see any sign of an MP across from the Hilton.
Went to Hoa Bin. Special massage was available for 200K. [/QUOTE]I like Hoa Binh too.
MP at Hilton is to the left across the street on the opposite side, probably 50-75m left. Go inside where marked, then up to first floor.
[QUOTE=Tomasb; 1145785]Yes, it is highly unlikely to meet a girl in Halong Bay unless you have some game and inclination towards the backpacker set. However, there is one nice, and one not so nice, massage places on the beach promenade. The cute young girls sometimes walk up and down the street at sunset passing out brochures. Once you select the girl for a massage, and they usually hang out in front of the establishment during the evening, you can negotiate in their rooms. A few doors down are some much older ladies and it made me wonder how they can possible compete with the younger girls, unless they have a drastically reduced price. I also recall reading somewhere on the forum that there are some local and not especially attractive brothels in the non tourist part of town.
I for one would think that it would be quite difficult to find a local girl, pro or non-pro, to travel with you to Halong Bay. It did not strike me that Hanoi girls would be inclined to travel with a farang as you would find in Bangkok or Bali. Just my observation.
But you might be able to do it, if you have some time to spend in Hanoi to woo and having some Viet language skills would help as well. [/QUOTE]Does not hurt to try. Plenty of young girls that might go to Halong for $50-100. But might take time.
[QUOTE=D Cups; 1145755]Hello, JD and other Hanoi-experienced mongers! I'll be in Hanoi (first time) May 4. 7 and am looking to take a sexy girl to Ha Long Bay with me May 5-6. I've read a few pages back and gather that Sheraton / Nutz and Fortuna are probably some of the better pick-up places, yes?
The likelihoood of meeting a girl in Halong Bay is very slim, yes? [/QUOTE]I've only been to Ha Long Bay once, about 3 or 4 years ago; did not partake. But this is what I observed.
In Hanoi, the overnight trips you can book will have the option of spending the night on a boat in the bay or in Cat Ba Island. You can also do it yourself on a self-tour.
I'm assuming Cat Ba Island is the main mongering site. You also have a city around the ferry dock area which should have something.
Is there anything else besides Cat Ba Island in Ha Long Bay?
I stayed in the main area; I don't recall (many years ago, I might have forgotten) seeing any massage parlors, but then I didn't walk a lot and explore the entire area, just the main drag.
If you are in the main area, the local transport driver will ask you if you want a girl. The few I asked said the girls were 15/20 minutes away. So it seems the brothels those transport driver wants to take you to is outside the main area. Didn't partake because I didn't want to go to the boondocks with a driver I didn't know; probably was too paranoid; it should be OK.
This warning applies to every area, and not just Cat Ba. In post [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1041-Hanoi&p=1123774&viewfull=1#post1123774[/url] The poster warned about a bad experience in Cat Ba Island.
I was told there is a good P4P scene for the locals in Cat Ba Island.
Ha Long Bay is a neat area. It would be nice if someone gave some good info.
Based on RTTf, was expecting difficulties in mongering.
1]Regular Hotels expect I'd of girl else deny entry!
2]with the help of taxi driver with little English; since had booked his taxi for whole day [6 Hrs for 40 USD] for meetings; decided to bait on his intentions / knowledge and visited after 7pm a KTV.TAN DO club Tel 04. 7687551. Turned out to be an expensive affair USD 120 for 3hr or less, fruit platter. 8 beesr or hard drinks and tip of 10usd per girl [tried 4]company. Quality of girls is 5-6/10. Karaoke set up was average. Was assured that after quitting selected girl will come to hotel for overnite [50 USD only] but she never turned up. WIR-no worth the cost to quality ratio.
3]next day visited another brothel place BICH NBUNG tel 37192938-rate 100usd for 60 min-+tip for girl-5 USD for local while 10 USD for foreigner. After solid pounding, girl realised the extent of long haul and played regular tantrums. Had to quit half way through!
4]To recover from the sexercise, visited a massage parlour.[I had kept my regular taxi driver for moving around overall expense on him 100usd for 2 days. ] MP was 15USD for 1hr. Could select young girl out of line up of 5 [looks 6/10]. But typically these Vietnamese girls start pestering once you are inside for tip which is quiet let down. They anyway don't understand an iota of english therefore its futile to any arguments! It's a catch 22 situation. But I could fingre her for 15 min in which she came, forget any HJ to me. Could suck her small boobs inspite of her feeble resistance which was probably aimed to loosen my purse [ tip 10usd]
5]Visited NUTZ bar in Sheratton thinking that quality of girls would be better but to my dismay.many were middle aged moms, hardly any free young ones whosoever was with her boyfriend! This is quiet unlike Holiday inn in HK!
Hece had to settle for allegedly 24 yr old with smaller boobs and ass but tall. Looks 5-6/10, but good natured.
After some disco dancing with her retired to a neighbouring hotel she knew. Damage. 70usd for 1 hr hotel included.
Conclusion- Good quality girls don't exist, if they exist they are not for P4P but already have boyfriends [husbands]. Or they have been exported to Hk or Makau! I had one viet one very GFE good quality girl at Darling 2 in makau.
[QUOTE=Praj4; 1147078]Based on RTTf, was expecting difficulties in mongering.
1]Regular Hotels expect I'd of girl else deny entry!
2]with the help of taxi driver with little English; since had booked his taxi for whole day [6 Hrs for 40 USD] for meetings; decided to bait on his intentions / knowledge and visited after 7pm a KTV. TAN DO club Tel 04. 7687551. Turned out to be an expensive affair USD 120 for 3hr or less, fruit platter. 8 beesr or hard drinks and tip of 10usd per girl [tried 4]company. Quality of girls is 5-6/10. Karaoke set up was average. Was assured that after quitting selected girl will come to hotel for overnite [50 USD only] but she never turned up. WIR-no worth the cost to quality ratio.
3]next day visited another brothel place BICH NBUNG tel 37192938-rate 100usd for 60 min-+tip for girl-5 USD for local while 10 USD for foreigner. After solid pounding, girl realised the extent of long haul and played regular tantrums. Had to quit half way through!
4]To recover from the sexercise, visited a massage parlour. [I had kept my regular taxi driver for moving around overall expense on him 100usd for 2 days. ] MP was 15USD for 1hr. Could select young girl out of line up of 5 [looks 6/10]. But typically these Vietnamese girls start pestering once you are inside for tip which is quiet let down. They anyway don't understand an iota of english therefore its futile to any arguments! It's a catch 22 situation. But I could fingre her for 15 min in which she came, forget any HJ to me. Could suck her small boobs inspite of her feeble resistance which was probably aimed to loosen my purse [ tip 10usd]
5]Visited NUTZ bar in Sheratton thinking that quality of girls would be better but to my dismay. Many were middle aged moms, hardly any free young ones whosoever was with her boyfriend! This is quiet unlike Holiday inn in HK!
Hece had to settle for allegedly 24 yr old with smaller boobs and ass but tall. Looks 5-6/10, but good natured.
After some disco dancing with her retired to a neighbouring hotel she knew. Damage. 70usd for 1 hr hotel included.
Conclusion- Good quality girls don't exist, if they exist they are not for P4P but already have boyfriends [husbands]. Or they have been exported to Hk or Makau! I had one viet one very GFE good quality girl at Darling 2 in makau. [/QUOTE]Excellent report which absolutely reflects the utterly dismal scene in Hanoi for newcomers, business visitors, etc.
BTW, #2 above is Bich Nhung and the correct price is not $100 USD + $10 tip but 500, 000 Dong ($25) + $5 tip (100, 000) although I don't doubt that they asked and you paid what you you described.
Of course if you live in Hanoi or spend a significant amount of time there, you will make contacts and have a nearly unlimited supply of some Asia's finest young pussy, either for free or much cheaper than described. But it takes some time, work and effort and if you don't have the time it's difficult.
JD
Check out Kingston club on 54B Hang Chuoi. Take the Swedish massage for 390000. Exactly the same experience you describe but younger women.
Also check the VIP massage at Oasis Hotel opposite the Fortuna. 25 USD for 90 minutes. This is the only place in town open till 1 AM. Can show up at midnight and get a massage.
Enjoy!
[QUOTE=WhiteHorse; 1146458]Hey,
I've been trying to find this place for a while. . Maybe you guys can give me some help:
When I first got to Hanoi I woke up early one Thursday morning and felt in need of a massage. Asked a xe-om in the O. Q. To take me somewhere for a "good massage".
He drove around for a while until we finally found a place that was open (It was 11:00am). I was new to the city and had no idea where we were. It was a massage place called something like "Eden's". Had a small LED sign out the front.
I paid 300 000VND for a 1 hour massage. A woman escorted me to a private room with only a tiny window on the door. Inside the room was a massage table, a private steam room (looked like a shower stall) , and a bathtub. She turns on the bathtub and motions for me to get into the steam room. Then she leaves.
I strip and get in the steam room. Wait about 4 minutes and then a different girl comes in. She's a bit older, maybe 34 or 35, but pretty and smiling, and a pretty good set for a Vietnamese bird.
I get out of the steam room. She gives me a full up-and-down look, smiles and motions for me to get in the tub. Then she washes my hair and gives me a scalp massage. After that she washes my body and gives the cock and balls a good wash as well.
I get out of the tub and she towels me off (again, making sure my dick was especially dry). After that, I get on the massage table and she gives me an unbelievable massage and tickles my balls every once in a while too. After she told me to turn onto my back, I was rock hard.
She asks "You want me massage baby?" (The only English she knew). She asked for 200 000VND and I accepted. Gave me a great handy while I fingered her pussy. Didn't mind when my fingers strayed to her asshole either.
After I came, she jerked me for a little while longer and then cleaned me up and gave me a face massage for a few minutes.
I've been to only a few other places since then, but I haven't come across anything similar to this experience. Do you guys know this place? Or somewhere else that has a private bathtub in it? I can't stand the factory-style places with only a curtain seperating you and everyone else. Or the limp-wristed massages followed by limper HJs. The experience of her bathing me was so erotic. I'd love to experience something like it again.
Any help would be much appreciated. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Praj4; 1147078]Based on RTTf, was expecting difficulties in mongering.
1]Regular Hotels expect I'd of girl else deny entry!
2]with the help of taxi driver with little English; since had booked his taxi for whole day [6 Hrs for 40 USD] for meetings; decided to bait on his intentions / knowledge and visited after 7pm a KTV. TAN DO club Tel 04. 7687551. Turned out to be an expensive affair USD 120 for 3hr or less, fruit platter. 8 beesr or hard drinks and tip of 10usd per girl [tried 4]company. Quality of girls is 5-6/10. Karaoke set up was average. Was assured that after quitting selected girl will come to hotel for overnite [50 USD only] but she never turned up. WIR-no worth the cost to quality ratio.[/QUOTE]I think the biggest mistake you made is keeping the taxi driver. If you spend enough time here in Hanoi, you would have realised that your Taxi Driver has made a fortune from you at the KTV and the FJ joint.
There are a couple of KTV joints which have close collaborations with taxi driver where they will bring unsuspecting foreigners and get chopped badly and then the taxi driver gets 50% of the revenue. And of course at these joints, the girls can promise the sky but will never appear in your hotel.
The FJ place that you mentioned, it has the same arrangements with taxi drivers that brings unsuspecting foreigner.
And if so where?
You can PM me thanks.
No more place to change dollar at free market or gold shop, you have to change at the bank, the rate is ok at the bank now. 1 dollar exchange to 20. 400 vietnam dong.
No more place exchange place in gold shop, you need to go to bank. 1dollar gets 20. 400 dong at the bank now, most of gold shop refuse to change dollar now days.
Ok thnks what about the euro? Is the rate close to the official rate too?
The rate for euro at the bank now. 1 euro exchange 30. 000 vietnam dong. 1 english pound gets 34. 000 vietnam dong, you should come to the bank and change, because the free market now got closed after the vietnam goverment doing some tighten searching market, all the foreign currency can be exchanged at the bank and they got very good rate now, even little higher than black market, qiute opposite with the situation before.
[QUOTE=Johndao;1147349]BTW, #2 above is Bich Nhung and the correct price is not $100 USD + $10 tip but 500, 000 Dong ($25) + $5 tip (100, 000) although I don't doubt that they asked and you paid what you you described.[/QUOTE]Johndao, what is the address of Bich Nhung? And how do you find the quality of girls there?
Hello, All,
Going to Hanoi next week and wanted to know if the Sheraton Hanoi is GF and if not where are the hotels nearby that I can bring some action? Also any escorts site worth wild?
Lex
[QUOTE=Lex460; 1152894]Hello, All,
Going to Hanoi next week and wanted to know if the Sheraton Hanoi is GF and if not where are the hotels nearby that I can bring some action? Also any escorts site worth wild?
Lex[/QUOTE]Just call them and ask. They will tell you their policy concerning guests. It's that simple.
Sheraton is not a girl friendly hotel at all, you will have a very hard time to bring girls there during day and night time, there are some security guards will be checking you all unless you and your girl check in the same time toghether. Although Nutz bar at Sheraton seems like a good place to pick up working girls but Sheraton hotel in HANOI is very unfriendly girl friend, answer your question so where is the friendly girl friend near by, I think Incontinental will be much better and nicer there, it is like a natural resort you can find in HANOI, hope this will be helpful for you.
[QUOTE=Blackfootballer;1153116]Sheraton is not a girl friendly hotel at all, you will have a very hard time to bring girls there during day and night time, there are some security guards will be checking you all unless you and your girl check in the same time toghether. Although Nutz bar at Sheraton seems like a good place to pick up working girls but Sheraton hotel in HANOI is very unfriendly girl friend, answer your question so where is the friendly girl friend near by, I think Incontinental will be much better and nicer there, it is like a natural resort you can find in HANOI, hope this will be helpful for you.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the tip, but I'm already checked into the hotel. Is there a ST hotel nearby?
[QUOTE=Lex460;1153227]Thanks for the tip, but I'm already checked into the hotel. Is there a ST hotel nearby?[/QUOTE]Try the Dragon Hotel opposite the main entrance of the Sheraton. Heard they have ST rates.
[QUOTE=JohnAppleseed;1153430]Try the Dragon Hotel opposite the main entrance of the Sheraton. Heard they have ST rates.[/QUOTE]Just went to Kingston Club. I wasn't sure what to expect when I went in as it seemed like a pretty legit place. I payed 430. 000 VND for a 90 min swedish massage. It was a decent massage but that's not really what I was interested in. I got a cute girl, who's name I don't' want to reveal without PM first because I'm fearful over any sort of reprisal against her from her employer. PM me and I'll be happy to give it to you.
When I got out of the Sauna she ran me a bath and I hopped in, that's when she started to molest me and I knew it was going to be a good time. She scrubbed my dick and my balls really nice and was very sweet to talk to. Her english is not spectacular but quite workable. She also gave me a quick BBBJ, like 10 seconds, but was too afraid to keep going as there's a window. She also gave me some LFK. I get a massage and then I roll over and she starts in with the HJ which she soldiered through to completion while I fingered her. It was nice.
I tried to tip her 200K VND but when I pulled it out she showed me a ton of stubs which indicated how much guys normally tipped her and the lowest was about 400K VND. So I caved and gave it to her. I also got her number and she said she'd be good for an overnight, but indicated that my cock might be too big for her. She requested 100USD which I don't think I'd pay. Also I want to take some Hardcore pics for you guys so what should I offer her?
BTW: the address is not 54B Hang Chuoi. It's on the odd number side of the street and a little bit north from 54B.
Face: 8.
Body: 7.
HJ: 7.
Attitude (or lack thereof) : 9.
Mileage: 7.
Massage: 7. 5.
Thanks,
KB
Well, they must have changed their policy. This is a nice hotel with rates starting around $65 per night with some gorgeous suites available also. When I stayed there in November 2009, they did not appear to be GF though I only brought a girl back during the day. I would be surprised, even shocked, to hear they rent out rooms on a short term basis. Maybe you had a different experience or is this only hearsay?
QUOTE=JohnAppleseed; 1153430]Try the Dragon Hotel opposite the main entrance of the Sheraton. Heard they have ST rates. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Tomasb;1153440]Well, they must have changed their policy. This is a nice hotel with rates starting around $65 per night with some gorgeous suites available also. When I stayed there in November 2009, they did not appear to be GF though I only brought a girl back during the day. I would be surprised, even shocked, to hear they rent out rooms on a short term basis. Maybe you had a different experience or is this only hearsay?[/QUOTE]I've never tried getting an ST at this hotel, only heard from somewhere before that they are GF so the info may or may not be accurate.
You don't need to find a short time hotel your self, just pick up a local girl, she will know where to find it, easy.
Sounds like you got a good performer. Great report. You overtipped but frankly better to overtip for a good performance than endure a poor performance. In general. 200, 000 is considered a generous tip and the upper end for Vietnamese visitors. Somer other clubs have the so-called VIP service, which usually means the girl washes you, then onto the massage. Similar at the Bao Son Hotel. 50 Nguyen Chi Thanh, but there you can also go with the non-VIP treatment.
[QUOTE=K Brew; 1153435]Just went to Kingston Club. I wasn't sure what to expect when I went in as it seemed like a pretty legit place. I payed 430. 000 VND for a 90 min swedish massage. It was a decent massage but that's not really what I was interested in. I got a cute girl, who's name I don't' want to reveal without PM first because I'm fearful over any sort of reprisal against her from her employer. PM me and I'll be happy to give it to you.
When I got out of the Sauna she ran me a bath and I hopped in, that's when she started to molest me and I knew it was going to be a good time. She scrubbed my dick and my balls really nice and was very sweet to talk to. Her english is not spectacular but quite workable. She also gave me a quick BBBJ, like 10 seconds, but was too afraid to keep going as there's a window. She also gave me some LFK. I get a massage and then I roll over and she starts in with the HJ which she soldiered through to completion while I fingered her. It was nice.
I tried to tip her 200K VND but when I pulled it out she showed me a ton of stubs which indicated how much guys normally tipped her and the lowest was about 400K VND. So I caved and gave it to her. I also got her number and she said she'd be good for an overnight, but indicated that my cock might be too big for her. She requested 100USD which I don't think I'd pay. Also I want to take some Hardcore pics for you guys so what should I offer her?
BTW: the address is not 54B Hang Chuoi. It's on the odd number side of the street and a little bit north from 54B.
Face: 8.
Body: 7.
HJ: 7.
Attitude (or lack thereof) : 9.
Mileage: 7.
Massage: 7. 5.
Thanks,
KB[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=K Brew;1153435]BTW: the address is not 54B Hang Chuoi. It's on the odd number side of the street and a little bit north from 54B.[/QUOTE]You're right, I did a Google search and the address is actually 53B and not 54B. Will check it out this week, thanks for the report!
Well I'm back from my asian tour, and here is my first posting of my 'conquests', ready to pay my dues to this site with thanks to all those senior / members who care enough to help all the noobs (like myself) who has rttf.
Firstly, there is some talk about gf hotel, so here is the one I used
Lefoyer HotelLefoyer Hotel.
39 Gia Ng&432; , qu&7853; and Hoàand Ki&7871; m.
Hà N&7897; I, Vietnam.
(04) 6288 5555.
It convieniently placed in the city centre with plenty of shops, restaurants, clubs and pubs around it. Off memory it was $40 / night, six floors fairly recently refurbished.
Unfortunatly I didn't have a great deal of time because of my ex was with me during my trip though vietnam. So after she went to sleep I head out to one of the bars 'around the corner' picked up this delicious and sassy girl who claims that she finished work at a nearby hotel. Li lian was her name and after a bit of slap and tickle on the dance floor and bar she confesses to me that she is WG as well and she could be had for 1. 5M LT. Albeit dissapointed, I was still very keen and althought I couldn't commit to LT she refused to budge on the price, in the end I was running out of time so I agreed and we quickly headed to my hotel. A quick chat to the night manager and his security guard they agreed with a 50, 000 vnd tip each, although I did have to get another room as I was sharing with my ex, it cost me $25 for two hours. Shit I was thinking to myself, this is costing me a fortune for only ST.
Anyways, separate showers, she cheekily went though my camera and help herself to my ciggies when I went to shower, in her defence I did leave them on the table. The moment I finished drying myself off she jumped me, BBBJ, slip on a condom and started the pounding. She takes it well mish with some light squirming which works well to turn me on, flipped over and she a trouper too on top. She wasn't too keen for doggy but changed her tune after slowly easing her into it over a minute with gentle hair pulling I had her pleasurely moaning deeply. I came during ponding her from behind lying ontop of here and while I was still inside her catching my breath she twists around, expertly whips of the condom and to my great surprise proceds to orally cleans me ups, she does rush to the bathroom to clean spit out though.
She returns, has a quick ciggie with me, exchange numbers and rushes off as per my request, I had to return to my ex and start packing for my trip to Saigon.
I've included a couple of her better pics so I won't bother rating her body, but service was a strong 9, with reasonably good GFE. I do have a couple more, not as great but will post if there is enough interest.
My trip includes saigon, Cambodia, Thailand and Singapore, so I'll post more as I have time. Peace!
[QUOTE=Dodgy Asian; 1154372]Well I'm back from my asian tour, and here is my first posting of my 'conquests', ready to pay my dues to this site with thanks to all those senior / members who care enough to help all the noobs (like myself) who has rttf.
Firstly, there is some talk about gf hotel, so here is the one I used
Lefoyer HotelLefoyer Hotel.
39 Gia Ng&432; , qu&7853; and Hoàand Ki&7871; m.
Hà N&7897; I, Vietnam.
(04) 6288 5555.
Unfortunatly I didn't have a great deal of time because of my ex was with me during my trip though vietnam. They agreed with a 50, 000 vnd tip each, although I did have to get another room as I was sharing with my ex, it cost me $25 for two hours. Shit I was thinking to myself, this is costing me a fortune for only ST.
She returns, has a quick ciggie with me, exchange numbers and rushes off as per my request, I had to return to my ex and start packing for my trip to Saigon.
I've included a couple of her better pics so I won't bother rating her body, but service was a strong 9, with reasonably good GFE. I do have a couple more, not as great but will post if there is enough interest. [/QUOTE]Interesting report, thanks for posting it.
I have 3 questions:
1) Can you retype the hotel address so we can read it?
2) What is your definition of an "ex"?
3) I notice her arms are quite hairy (which I like). Would you say down below matched? Was she lightly haired, average or hairier than average down below (around her pussy)?
Thanks,
JD
Chose to go to this spot based off my location. I didn't feel like renting a motobike and it was within walking distance.
I read back to almost a year and a half ago and found two posts regarding this street. I also gathered from the posts that 200, 000 was the ticket price and 200, 000 was the standard tip. So I only took 500, 000 with me just in case of some inflation over the past year.
28 hang chuoi was referenced so I went to that particular place.
Walked in. 4 ladies sitting down in the lobby watching tv while the mamasan was sitting at the counter. They were about 6's or 7's I would say. 3 were wearing tight hookerish dresses and a load of makeup while the fourth (a 7) was dressed up in a more 'girl next door' outfit and didn't need makeup at all because of the natural beauty she had going on. I chose her.
The mamasan quotes 400, 000 is the ticket price. I told her it wasn't going to happen and that I will only pay 200, 000. She throws 300, 000 to see if I bite. As I begin to walk out she inevitably caves.
I go to the back with my woman to a cubicle made up of wooden walls that look like they were installed in a minute or less, no ac, no fan. Very low upkeep.
My girl's name is Chau if I'm not mistaken. She says she's 19 and she's smiling the entire time. I take of my shirt and she actually motions me to take off my pants which is new to me. I roll up my pants tight and place them in a spot where I new they would be safe just in case. She knows very little english (no surprise there) , but she realizes I know a small bit of viet and was happy to teach me a few more phrases while she massaged me. The massage was actually good but she cut it short to get to business. She starts blowing me but I gently pull her away and ask if she could raise her top and drop her skirt. At first she hesitates, but then after some cuddling and teasing, she takes off her bra, raises her tank top, and lets me suck her tits. She's actually getting into it, hugging me closer as I suck harder. We kiss for a little while as well. I could tell she was game for it based on the look in her eyes. Damn, she was making me hot.
I get her to continue blowing me and then I run my hand up under her skirt, make my way past her pantines and start to finger her. She makes some noises at first as if she's having some discomfort, so I insert my finger very gently til I got her wet. The BBBJ is very nice. I blow my load in her mouth. She took about 3/4 of it. Then she gently cleans my tip keeping in mind that a man can be very sensitive there after an orgasm. Some chicks just go straight into it making me jump. Then she cleans the hand that I fingered her with.
The whole time she never spoke of money. I get dressed. I hand her 200, 000 which she accepted with a great smile and much enthusiasm. We say our goodbyes, kiss, and I leave. That girl was waaayy too nice to be working there.
Ratings. (as far as massage parlors)
Looks: 7 as I said earlier.
Personality: 9. 5
Service: 9.
Site: 5, like I said, no AC, no fan, wooden stalls.
Value: 7, I've paid less for the same service in ho chi minh.
Would I go back? Definitely, but only for Chau.
Cheers.
Did anyone try Pham Van Dong after midnight? Are the fishing good after this hour or completely a disaster? Anyway, I'll try to have a look tonight. If it is a disaster, I'll go to some tam quat far from the centre to relieve my stress!
I woud think this would go under the Other Areas thread, but since I saw a couple of posts regarding Ha Long city in this thread, I'm continuing the tradition.
I didn't go around much of the city and pretty much kept to my area. Plenty of cheap hotels on Vuon Dao street to choose your lodgings.
If you head westerly along the main street from Vuon Dao and turn right on the next open street, you'll find a few massage places down the winding street. Kareoke's are all over the city, but I haven't been to one in Vietnam yet and want to save haveing to experience one as a last resort or with a friend.
The touts claim they can take you to get massage boom boom here for 10$. I was pretty skeptical about it and from what I've read, chances are you might get ripped off while some few get lucky with motos.
I walked into one kareoka massage sauna place. The lady at the counter asked if I wanted massage. Then she quoted 20$. After giving her the look, and using my horrible viet we agreed to 150, 000 dong. I'm sure I could've got it lower after seeing how quick she accepted. Anyways, I ask to see who I'm getting, and she brings out a girl. Or should I say woman. Too old for my tastes. She said she didn't have any more girls and I thank her and start walking out. Then she offers herself. She was worse. She really wanted the bidness and was kindly, yet aggressivly still trying to get me to reconsider for a couple of minutes. No biggie, I thank her and move on.
Before I walked in I heard an old lady on a motorbike trying to hail me. She was waiting for me outside. Now normally I would never go with a motorbike tout, but it was an old lady this time so I decided to hear her out. She quots 600, 000 for full service massage, room and everything included. I get her down to 400, 000 under the condition that I pay after I finish. Normally when I pay for a BJ it's half that, and from reading the few posts regarding full service in this city, I was wiling to pay only that much.
1st girl she showed me was walking down the street. That was a no go. Too old and thin for my tastes. Then she takes me to her massage place which was just up the hill on the same street. A girl comes out to meet me. Her name is Cha. I'd giver her an 8. Young, smooth skin, and average body. I make sure the mamasan told her what we agreed on.
We go into the room. I check around and make sure there's no places where people can hide and place my closes far away from her. We get naked. She says she's 18 which I didn't belive for a second, but she looked damm good in her birthday suit. She sucks me off for a while. Nothing special. She even propped up her head on her elbow like she was bored while she BBBJ'ed. I forgot to bring my on condom and she slips on the tight, uncomfortable vietnames ones. I'm pounding her missionary and love the way she looks. We shared some kisses and she let me suck her tits a bit, but then she pretty much goes cold fish and I'm no longer enjoying it. Take that and mix it with the uncomfortable condom and I go limp. I told her if she sucks me off and let's me finish I can be done. I didn't want to stay any longer than I had to.
She didn't wasn't having it. I explained to her that if I don't finish then I won't pay the full price I agreed to. Then she whines and bitches and say's she doesn't understand. Oh, she fucking understood me alright. I put on my clothes and tell her I'll settle the bill with mamasan. I had to wait for mamasan to come back because she was out trying to find more busines. I explain that since I didn't finish I won't pay the full price. Now all of a sudden mamasan doesn't understand me and says I need to pay the girl. I said I would pay 300, 000 for the unfinished session and she agrees.
Due to all this I walked away and forgot to look at the address or the name of the place. But if you follow my directions, just go up the winding street (there's a bit of an intersection about 30 meters, (right takes you to nothing but a couple of kareoke's and the first massag / kareoke place I wnt to, left takes you further up the hill) and it'll be on your right hand side about 70 meters I would say from the intersection. There's a sign that says massage and the red light gives it away. I even asked her for her number for return business, possibly another girl, but she didn't give it up.
Total damage was 15$ but I'm sure it couldve easily been less. Got a little more experience under my belt, so overall wasn't a total loss,
Cheers and beers.
[QUOTE=Johndao; 1154656]Interesting report, thanks for posting it.
I have 3 questions:
1) Can you retype the hotel address so we can read it?
2) What is your definition of an "ex"?
3) I notice her arms are quite hairy (which I like). Would you say down below matched? Was she lightly haired, average or hairier than average down below (around her pussy)?
Thanks,
JD[/QUOTE]Sorry about that, stupid google.
1. LEFOYER HOTEL
39 Gia Ngu street, Hoan Kiem District, Ha Noi City.
2. Mine in this case is my ex-girlfriend, although I currently separated from my wife atm.
3. Yes, fairly hairly forearms but well trimmed pussy, so below average (which I like) and not noticable hairy legs, then again I did have few drinks with her.
But on the topic of her, it wouldn't suprise me if the night manager got her number when she left for future hookup for their guests. Worth trying the night time staff in any asian hotel for any quick (and likely expensive) company.
thanks to this great sire, i wandered into oasis massage last night to check it out. having lived here for a while i have been to a few other joints on and off, but never oasis. it certainly is a nicely decked out place with good staff etc. here's how it went down.
upon arriving on the 5th floor you get off the lift straight into a large open lounge type space with comfy 'waiting' chairs. a guy approached me and we discussed which massage option. i chose the 90min vip massage with all the trimmings. he took me around to a room, let me in and then tried to get me to book a room at the hotel. wasn't going to happen! lots of beautiful girls, he said. well, i saw only a couple of the way through and they were nothing to get too excited about. so i waited. no option to choose girls, perhaps too early as it was about 7. 30pm. it's a weird feeling waiting for a random girl to come in.
anyway, in she came and asked "can i massage you?". well. she was very attractive, not too short and well groomed so i said yes. so, i stripped and she got the steam room prepared (the room has steam cubicle, hottub and massage table). this girl, tham, spoke pretty decent english, which helped. i got in the steam room and it got going. i lasted all of 5-7 minutes as it was too intense and small a space! so i came out and waited for the bath to fill. this is my first time getting bathed and it was lovely. lots of gentle strokes and scrubbing, ensuring all of me was well clean. very enjoyable and particular focus downstairs to set up the finale. as the bathing went on, tham got warmer and warmer towards me and we had good conversations and teasing.
so onto the massage. my expectations were actually pretty low here as i love a good massage. it started off slowly but built to be an excellent manipulative massage! she really knew how to get my body moving and it felt amazing. through it all she used her body well to dangle her hair over me, pull my face into her chest and grind her pelvis into me whenever she could. very sexy as well as therapeutic. by the time i was asked to roll over for the last time, the inevitable question "shall i massage pi pi?" came up. of course! god i was hanging for it by then.
and then came the most divine, gentle and erotic hj i have had in a very long time. she sat on the massage table well positioned for a lot of fingering and stroking. she made good eye contact as well, frequently. well, you know that us guys can interpret little well when being stroked. but it sure felt good to me! when i climaxed she was so good at gently finishing me, lightly pumping me and then warmly cleaning me up. then we had a small cleaning ceremony where again she took good care of me.
lastly was the tip discussion. i played dumb. these girls know how much they want / get and carry that little ticket stub book to "prove it". which is all a scam i reckon. but anyway. i offered vnd200, 000 to see what would happen."too small. look at my ticket book." was the anticipated reply. i had already decided that this girl was worth more so happily paid vnd500k without a second thought. she really was that good.
oasis really is a fair way from my home but it's a good venue. i am interested in any experiences people have had on pham van dong as that is much closer to my home. might check them out myself later this week! but, i will be back to see tham@oasis very soon. she's a keeper.
Well, I thought it was good the first time. Tonight I returned, having booked the charming Ms Tham again. She is one helluva good plier of her trade. She fully understands that when a customer returns, you show that you missed him. And show it well.
Tonight there was no messing around with unnecessary stuff, just straight into teasing, rubbing, kissing and playing around while she ran the bath. Very very good fun. The bath, as you can imagine, was sensational. More groping than cleaning.
Onto the massage part. Which was as amazing as before, intermingled with much suggestive stuff that turned me on so fiercely! Finally onto the the "pi pi" (so cute!). And the usual hand job quickly turned into a blow job combined with kissing me all over and making herself extremely available for touching. Fabulous stuff. So naturally, after some time I totally blew my load, which she thoroughly enjoyed and happily cleaned up. No question of any extra tip, more than happy with the same as the first time.
Anyway, the upshot is I have a date tomorrow, her day off, and it will be one sensational night I am sure.
So, to all those lamenting the Hanoi scene, do not lament too much. Patience is a virtue and holds it's own rewards.
Is there any relevant action around Mercure la gare hotel?
Is the place girl friendly.
Going there from Sunday to Wednesday and if there is any wingman around I would surelly appreciate it.
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The direction are good, the places are on the road between Hoang Quoc Viet and Xuan Thuy. Probably half a dozen or so smaller massage joints intermingled with a couple of large VIP joints. Definitely after 9. 30pm is best. Will do a proper report soon.
[QUOTE=Chinkyman3526; 1138366]Pham van Dong is a street well west of the center of Hanoi, by taxi from the Old quarter you should expect to pay 100, 000 (5 dollars USD) if you take one of the mini cabs, if you take a mid sized prices goes up.
I went there with a cabbie contact, and the picking were slim at the early hour. After 930pm is best. You will see women sitting around in store fronts beside closed gated shop fronts. Drive slow along Pham Van Dong north of Hoang Quoc Viet. And when you see a group or ladies wave you in stop off and talk to them.
If you don't speak viet like I do then you can just use sign language or a pad of paper to negotiate. Always ask the price first. I saw a girl that was a hard 7. 5 here. The price was 150, 000 (yep not a typo) and another 100, 000 for wetting your whistle with her mouth before hand. This place is like eating in a food court or fast food joint you will get in and out quick no fancy dinning room.
So for a total of 250, 000 quick service, I prefer GFE myself but its good to know and pass on.
As for the cabbie he later tried to scame me out of 200, 000 when I was going to give him more then that anyways (dumb a*ss) so yeah fair warning don't trust the cabbies (most anyways).[/QUOTE]
Awesome trip report! Thanks for that.
So the first time you were there you tossed her a 500 000 note. How much did the VIP treatment cost you to begin with?
Also, how did the date go?
[QUOTE=Qxeau; 1157069]Well, I thought it was good the first time. Tonight I returned, having booked the charming Ms Tham again. She is one helluva good plier of her trade. She fully understands that when a customer returns, you show that you missed him. And show it well.
Tonight there was no messing around with unnecessary stuff, just straight into teasing, rubbing, kissing and playing around while she ran the bath. Very very good fun. The bath, as you can imagine, was sensational. More groping than cleaning.
Onto the massage part. Which was as amazing as before, intermingled with much suggestive stuff that turned me on so fiercely! Finally onto the the "pi pi" (so cute!). And the usual hand job quickly turned into a blow job combined with kissing me all over and making herself extremely available for touching. Fabulous stuff. So naturally, after some time I totally blew my load, which she thoroughly enjoyed and happily cleaned up. No question of any extra tip, more than happy with the same as the first time.
Anyway, the upshot is I have a date tomorrow, her day off, and it will be one sensational night I am sure.
So, to all those lamenting the Hanoi scene, do not lament too much. Patience is a virtue and holds it's own rewards. [/QUOTE]
Yep I tossed her 500k because she was that good. Cost 500k for the VIP treatment@90 mins. They have other options as well for less or more money.
The date. Well, let's just say that it started as a group thing with her friends (smart really) over drinks and karaoke and then we slipped off together to my place for the night and I got little sleep but was smiling form ear to ear all day on Saturday! Did it cost me? Apart from aching muscles (!) we have agreed on a longer-term arrangement. We click well, so from time to time I will take her shopping for fancy stuff, which is what she really likes. Kinda like an SB / SD arrangement without the upfront cash part.
[QUOTE=WhiteHorse; 1157858]Awesome trip report! Thanks for that.
So the first time you were there you tossed her a 500 000 note. How much did the VIP treatment cost you to begin with?
Also, how did the date go?[/QUOTE]
Hello,
I an new to this forum. Sorry, if my questions may seem stupid. I am planning to come to Hanoi on business first time in my life on the 28th of May.
I know nothing about Hanoi.
Please, tell if Safitel Legend in Hanoi is girl friendly?
Also, I tried to find some escorts in Hanoi and I found only this [url]one:http://www.tour69.net/[/url] They ask the deposit in advance. Is this a real place?
What is currently the best massage place with beautiful slim girls: Oasis? How Can I find it? Could anybody write address and directions?
What about KTV? What KTV has the greatest girls selection?
Than you!
I've been to Phan Van Dong street last night after a night out in Dracula and Temple. ANW, In Phan Van Dong, they have a lot of Tam Quat and Nha Nhi, but why going to a Tam Quat and pay the Mamasan and the girl when you can just drive 5 minutes more and find those little houses on the street! First, you enter with your motobike and after she closes the door! And now, you need to negociate the price. She asked me for 1 hour and half and two pops 700 000 dong. I refused and reply with 250 000. She said no. So I took my leave but she said after ok 250 000 dong (sorry if I overpriced)!
The girl was a 7. 5. Maybe between 25 to 30. She didn't do any BJ, doggy, only the fucking star. Need to be a little aggressive and she will do anything that you want, except the BJ. She was good! Nice pussy and nice ass (JD will like it)! The condition in this house was fine! I don't know about for the other but it was clean for me!
The only problem with Phan Van Dong is that is really far! I live in the south west of the City (near the centre). Be aware also of the cops (the ones in the green uniforms! The most dangerous ones) They have a lot in that place (Cau Giai and Huyen Tu Lien district). Maybe it's because of the end of the election that happenned last Sunday. Always have your helmet and don't drive like crazy!
I read also that they have a similar place near the west lake like in Au Co street. That street are still active or not? If someone know, can they just tell me and I will go and check it out!
Good report. Exactly what part of Pham Van Dong is this house (or others) and how do you recognise them? I have only seen the Tam Quat and a couple of likely looking 'cafes'. Are the girls waiting outside and waving you in?
[QUOTE=Towel; 1160045]I've been to Phan Van Dong street last night after a night out in Dracula and Temple. ANW, In Phan Van Dong, they have a lot of Tam Quat and Nha Nhi, but why going to a Tam Quat and pay the Mamasan and the girl when you can just drive 5 minutes more and find those little houses on the street! First, you enter with your motobike and after she closes the door! And now, you need to negociate the price. She asked me for 1 hour and half and two pops 700 000 dong. I refused and reply with 250 000. She said no. So I took my leave but she said after ok 250 000 dong (sorry if I overpriced)!
The girl was a 7. 5. Maybe between 25 to 30. She didn't do any BJ, doggy, only the fucking star. Need to be a little aggressive and she will do anything that you want, except the BJ. She was good! Nice pussy and nice ass (JD will like it)! The condition in this house was fine! I don't know about for the other but it was clean for me!
The only problem with Phan Van Dong is that is really far! I live in the south west of the City (near the centre). Be aware also of the cops (the ones in the green uniforms! The most dangerous ones) They have a lot in that place (Cau Giai and Huyen Tu Lien district). Maybe it's because of the end of the election that happenned last Sunday. Always have your helmet and don't drive like crazy!
I read also that they have a similar place near the west lake like in Au Co street. That street are still active or not? If someone know, can they just tell me and I will go and check it out! [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Qxeau;1160138]Good report. Exactly what part of Pham Van Dong is this house (or others) and how do you recognise them? I have only seen the Tam Quat and a couple of likely looking 'cafes'. Are the girls waiting outside and waving you in?[/QUOTE]Do you know where is Metro? If you know where is Metro you just need to drive in that direction. You need to drive to the direction of the airport! After you pass the Hoa Bing park or a thing call Ford, just drive slowly. You'll see after maybe 1 minute of driving some girl waiting outside some little houses. Just make eyes contact and they will know that you are here for some fun!
If my explanation is not clear, I will try to give you a better hint next time cause I THINK I will go back this evening!
Have fun!
P. S. Sorry for my english. Am a french Canadian.
That's very helpful indeed. I know exactly where you mean. Thanks. I will go and check it out later in the week.
[QUOTE=Towel; 1160343]Do you know where is Metro? If you know where is Metro you just need to drive in that direction. You need to drive to the direction of the airport! After you pass the Hoa Bing park or a thing call Ford, just drive slowly. You'll see after maybe 1 minute of driving some girl waiting outside some little houses. Just make eyes contact and they will know that you are here for some fun!
If my explanation is not clear, I will try to give you a better hint next time cause I THINK I will go back this evening!
Have fun!
P. S. Sorry for my english. Am a french Canadian.[/QUOTE]
So tonight I went and did a reccie! And indeed, just as reported, there are probably 6-10 houses with a range of girls / ladies sitting outside prepared to wave you in. Additionally, there are 2 or 3 places before Hoa Binh Park / Ford as well. The range of available girls looked pretty decent from a slowish drive-by.
It will be interesting tomorrow to see how they react to a white fella pulling up for service.
Also tonight I crawled past the places heading back towards Xuan Thuy. There a couple of really nice looking options, including a cleverly disguised cafe that deserves investigation because the girls looked particularly attractive!
[QUOTE=Towel; 1160343]Do you know where is Metro? If you know where is Metro you just need to drive in that direction. You need to drive to the direction of the airport! After you pass the Hoa Bing park or a thing call Ford, just drive slowly. You'll see after maybe 1 minute of driving some girl waiting outside some little houses. Just make eyes contact and they will know that you are here for some fun!
If my explanation is not clear, I will try to give you a better hint next time cause I think I will go back this evening!
Have fun!
P. S. Sorry for my english. Am a french Canadian.[/QUOTE]
Picked a place at random tonight in the sector between Hoang Quoc Viet and Xuan Thuy. Lots to choose from. I think I actually missed the place I was really looking for, tomorrow is another night.
Anyway, mamasan helps me with the bike and tells me 100, 000 to get in. No drams, this is expected. A girl takes me through. Pickings were not that great but ok. Say a 6ish overall. It's a very cramped row of curtained benches out the back. Very close together. I wriggle out of my clothes, these are placed on the bench with me so no chance of getting anything nicked.
The benches are just material over boards. Rock hard and not so comfy, but the pillow is nice. Place overall is shabby but dim so you don't really care. Massage of my back. One of those slapping massages. Nothing in them, probably better not to bother really. After a while, rolls me over and straight to work on the old fella. This she is good at. Pulls up her top for me and is happy to be played with. Sweet girl really. Gets me off nicely. Cleans me up and then sits with me to chat! Sorta cute. I don; t think they get many white fellas in there. My awful Vietnamese, her non-existant English. But somehow it works.
I eventually decide to get dressed when a few more blokes come in and the place starts to feel crowded. We walk back out front and I go to settle the bill. She says, I kid you not. 120, 000 all up. Really. 100, 000 for the space and 20, 000 for the tug. Now that's embarrassing. I give her 150, 000 and call it quits, still feeling like I ripped her off. But. I think she is hopeful I will be back.
Only if they get mattresses.
An interesting evening out. Will try one other place but. I think I prefer more comfort in the likes of Oasis or Kingston Club.
Has anyone tried any of the street girls lately that hang out in the park near the Opera House in town? Have seen them a few times and I wonder.
According to what I read from Vietnamese newspaper, the brothel in Phamvandong s treet mostly very high number of the girls having HIV, also the girls arround opera house, they are chasing away by Vietnamese policemen all the time, I was scare to go there.
[QUOTE=Blackfootballer;1161922]According to what I read from Vietnamese newspaper, the brothel in Phamvandong s treet mostly very high number of the girls having HIV, also the girls arround opera house, they are chasing away by Vietnamese policemen all the time, I was scare to go there.[/QUOTE]South East Asia+sex workers.
I thought that Hanoi was clean but no I was wrong.
I think that you must consider that the majority of the sex workers have HIV and not only a certain place.
Dropped in to KC the other night for the first time. Their menu of services is very enticing. I took a while to consider the options and decided to spoil myself with a 2 hour session including a hot stone massage.
All the girls were in other rooms or elsewhere in the club so I didn't get to choose (is this normal?). In the end that didn't matter. The girl who walked in was super cute (number 15) , lively and up for it. Call her about a 7. 5. Introductions and then she gets my gear off and hangs it up for me. Then she jumps me. And makes it plain she likes me. The feeling is quite mutual as evidenced! Eventually she gets me into the steam room. Which is of a much better quality and design than the Oasis equivalent. I enjoyed a lengthy steam as she ran the bath (and as a few of her colleagues popped in to see the foreigner.). Many waves through the steam.
So onto bath time. This is quite good but clearly her heart isn't in it. She gets me out relatively quickly and then proceeds to snuggle up and we make out for a good 30-45 minutes. Which is really good. She makes herself completely available and clearly enjoys the experience. She also make it plain she is up for a full service in the future, which is good to know.
The massage that follows is actually not bad. The hot stones are well done and I feel totally relaxed. I should say that she brought me off before the massage. Really nicely. During this she literally took my hand, unzipped her skirt and thrust me down her underwear. Very sexy. She also loosened her top so I could play with her perky little breasts. After a long back massage she could see I was well recovered so rolled me over and proceeded to get me off again. With lips included. Simply divine.
We parted company at the end with me quite happy to return and devour her even more. Or take her somewhere a little more private. The key here, I think, is for us as punters to be gentlemen. Gentlemen get more favours. Be nice and you will reap significant rewards. I guarantee it!
I'm interested in what others have to say about what is on offer during the day in Hanoi. So far I am aware of:
Oasis Massage.
Kingston Club.
Pham Van Dong. Yes even daytimes. Both at the massage joint end and at the home-brothel end. Today at 9am I drove past and there were ladies prepared to wave me in. Shame I had a meeting really. And most afternoons a few of the massage places are open as well. Plenty of opportunity if you want it.
On the massage joints. Does anyone have any particular recommendations? Street number is just fine. Same for the home-brothel options. A couple of street numbers of tried and tested good times would be welcome!
I'm interested in what others have to say about what is on offer during the day in Hanoi. So far I am aware of:
Oasis Massage.
Kingston Club.
Pham Van Dong. Yes even daytimes. Both at the massage joint end and at the home-brothel end. Today at 9am I drove past and there were ladies prepared to wave me in. Shame I had a meeting really. And most afternoons a few of the massage places are open as well. Plenty of opportunity if you want it.
On the massage joints. Does anyone have any particular recommendations? Street number is just fine. Same for the home-brothel options. A couple of street numbers of tried and tested good times would be welcome!
I've been to Esalen 3 (Nghi Tam) on a few occasions now, and my experiences have been pretty much in line with what others have reported before. 150, 000 ticket price the first time you go, and after that you are given a discount ticket that makes it 75, 000 from then on.
For the price, you can have a steam bath and sauna, for as long as you like, and then take a shower before heading up to your massage room. You are assigned a girl, and so far I have always been happy enough with the selection that I haven't tried changing girls. I'm sure it would be possible though if you weren't happy.
The girls I've had have ranged from a 6. 7.
The first time I went there, I had an attractive girl, probably mid twenties, who I have to say, wasn't the greatest at giving massages. She did however make it very apparent from the off, what was going to be on offer. When she started massaging my legs, her hands kept going north, until she had her hands inside my shorts and started playing with my cock. As soon as I was lifting myself up for her to have better access, she dispensed with the formalities, and whipped off my shorts, covering me with a towel (since there are small windows in the massage room doors.
She then spent the rest of the hour teasing my cock and playing with my arse in between sporadic massaging, which was getting me seriously horny. Towards the end of the hour, she started going into the negotiations for the tip. This is where things weren't all that much fun; we spent so long arguing over how much that my cock ended up getting soft. After about ten minutes I got her to agree to 400, 000 (which I knew was way too much) and she very quickly finished me off with a HJ. She let my hands run over her body a bit, but no under the clothes stuff.
The other girls I've had have spent most of the hour giving me a proper massage, and not playing around or teasing me much during that time. Then towards the end of the hour have asked if I want to have my cock massaged. I've said yes, and then they've gone to work. They've all been nice and fun, and let the hands wander a little, but again nothing under the clothes. I've tried to get a couple of them to meet me outside of work, but no luck so far.
After the business is finished, I've then signed for the tip. In these cases despite small protestations from them that they want more, I have put down 200, 000 and they have been satisfied.
I've been to Pham Van Dong a couple of times now, thanks to the info I found on ISG. Great resource BTW. I have my own bike, which makes it fairly easy to get there and to slowly cruise the street. Not sure I'd want to venture down here as a tourist, if I didn't know anything about the city or the language.
The two times I've been, it was to the home brothel type places, although I think I'll have to try out a few of the massage places in the future.
The first time I went there I stopped at a place where there was only a single girl standing in a doorway to wave me down. I parked my bike inside and we negotiated 150, 000 for HJ / BBBJ. She took me into the back room, and got me to take off all my clothes and lay down on massage table. She seemed to quite enjoy having a white guy come and visit her, and there was lots of kissing and playing around. She was probably only a 5, and I have to say that I'm glad the lighting was low, but she certainly made up for it with her attitude, and her fairly big tits.
She lifted up her top and dropped her trousers and panties, and was happy to let my hands wander wherever I liked and for me to suck on her tits. I was fingering her nice hairy pussy and playing with her clit, which seemed to get her seriously worked up. When she wasn't sucking on my cock, she was giving me a handjob and kissing me furiously.
She finished me off with her hands, and then proceeded to clean me up with a towel. But didn't seem to be in any rush to get me out of there. She was still kissing me and playing with my cock, and put my hand back down to her pussy. I played with her clit and fingered her some more while we kissed until she seemed to come herself. We got dressed again and I paid her the money and also gave her a 100, 000 tip. I'd like to try and find this one again and see if I can get FS.
The second time I went, I stopped at a place that had a few more girls hanging around outside, and this place turned out to be far less pleasurable. The mamasan turned out to be a bit of a dragon lady, and demanding money up front. I should have left at this point, but paid up the 100, 000 asking price and went in. She then sent me upstairs via a ladder, and told me to lay down on the straw mat on the wooden floor and wait for the girl.
A minute or two later a fairly pretty girl comes up stairs, and takes off my shorts and starts playing with my cock. I try to get her to go down on me with no luck, she keeps refusing. Next thing she's calling the mamasan who comes up and asks "money, money" and indicates another 100, 000. I paid thinking I'd then get this girl to go down on me, but instead, the mamasan proceeds to suck me off while the young girl sits there like a wet fish.
I just lay there and go with it, and started to start feeling up the girl. I get my hand up her skirt, and start to try and slide my fingers into her pussy. She starts whining, and tries to pull away. I was getting fed up by now, so forced the issue, and held her in place with one arm, while fingering her. The whining really got on my nerves, but I persisted, and closed my eyes so I didn't have to look at the mamasan (who wasn't very attractive) working on my cock. She finished me off with her hand and I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Definitely won't be going back to that place.
Don't know the addresses to either of these places unfortunately.
Went here a while back on a Friday night. Arrived about 11pm and the place was reasonably busy. I got myself a drink and sat down at the bar to watch the crowd and try to pick out the working girls. It didn't take long until a couple of girls came over to chat with me.
Both were a solid 9 and spoke enough English to have a bit of a conversation with. While we were chatting they were both being very touchy and were putting my hands on their legs, and letting my hands wander to their asses too. After a short time, one of them pulled me onto the dance floor for a bit of bump and grind. This one was very athletic, were a firmed toned body, and a great pair of very large fake breasts for good measure.
After a bit of a dance we went back to the bar and in between a bit more touching and chatting, the other girl asked if I wanted to go to a hotel with her friend. I told her that I wanted to take both of them back to my house, and asked how much it would cost. She told me that it was 1. 5M VND for each of them. I negotiated it down to 2M VND for the two of them which they agreed to, and shortly afterwards, I had them both of the back of my motorbike for the trip home.
The other girl was more dainty than her athletic friend, with a lovely squeezable bottom and small soft breasts.
We spent a couple of hours at my place with me trying out all my 3some fantasies and getting the full GFE with kissing etc. It was a hell of a lot of fun, and worth the price.
They offered to stay overnight, but once I'd had my fill, I asked them to leave. Never really trust a working girl to hang around while I'm sleeping, especially in my own home. When I went to pay them, a bit of an argument ensued. They tried to ask for 3M VND for the two of them, and I firmly told them that we had agreed to 2M VND. This went back and forth for quite a while, with me giving them the 2M VND and refusing to give them any more. They weren't happy, but eventually left with only the 2M VND.
It was a great night, and for an easy place to pick up girls in Hanoi, Nutz bar has to be the place to go. Not having to get a hotel certainly cuts down on the expense. Would certainly go there to pick up a girl again if I wanted the higher class GFE that is missing from the massage parlour services around town.
The few times I have driven past recently, there has been one house with a lone, pretty decent looking lady, outside waving me in. Next time I am stopping and sampling the wares.
[QUOTE=Richard Dawkins; 1164215]I've been to Pham Van Dong a couple of times now, thanks to the info I found on ISG. Great resource BTW. I have my own bike, which makes it fairly easy to get there and to slowly cruise the street. Not sure I'd want to venture down here as a tourist, if I didn't know anything about the city or the language.
The two times I've been, it was to the home brothel type places, although I think I'll have to try out a few of the massage places in the future.
The first time I went there I stopped at a place where there was only a single girl standing in a doorway to wave me down. I parked my bike inside and we negotiated 150, 000 for HJ / BBBJ. She took me into the back room, and got me to take off all my clothes and lay down on massage table. She seemed to quite enjoy having a white guy come and visit her, and there was lots of kissing and playing around. She was probably only a 5, and I have to say that I'm glad the lighting was low, but she certainly made up for it with her attitude, and her fairly big tits.
She lifted up her top and dropped her trousers and panties, and was happy to let my hands wander wherever I liked and for me to suck on her tits. I was fingering her nice hairy pussy and playing with her clit, which seemed to get her seriously worked up. When she wasn't sucking on my cock, she was giving me a handjob and kissing me furiously.
She finished me off with her hands, and then proceeded to clean me up with a towel. But didn't seem to be in any rush to get me out of there. She was still kissing me and playing with my cock, and put my hand back down to her pussy. I played with her clit and fingered her some more while we kissed until she seemed to come herself. We got dressed again and I paid her the money and also gave her a 100, 000 tip. I'd like to try and find this one again and see if I can get FS.
The second time I went, I stopped at a place that had a few more girls hanging around outside, and this place turned out to be far less pleasurable. The mamasan turned out to be a bit of a dragon lady, and demanding money up front. I should have left at this point, but paid up the 100, 000 asking price and went in. She then sent me upstairs via a ladder, and told me to lay down on the straw mat on the wooden floor and wait for the girl.
A minute or two later a fairly pretty girl comes up stairs, and takes off my shorts and starts playing with my cock. I try to get her to go down on me with no luck, she keeps refusing. Next thing she's calling the mamasan who comes up and asks "money, money" and indicates another 100, 000. I paid thinking I'd then get this girl to go down on me, but instead, the mamasan proceeds to suck me off while the young girl sits there like a wet fish.
I just lay there and go with it, and started to start feeling up the girl. I get my hand up her skirt, and start to try and slide my fingers into her pussy. She starts whining, and tries to pull away. I was getting fed up by now, so forced the issue, and held her in place with one arm, while fingering her. The whining really got on my nerves, but I persisted, and closed my eyes so I didn't have to look at the mamasan (who wasn't very attractive) working on my cock. She finished me off with her hand and I couldn't get out of there fast enough. Definitely won't be going back to that place.
Don't know the addresses to either of these places unfortunately.[/QUOTE]
They have a good Tam Quat in Pho Vong street (near Bach Mai Hospital) and it's open very late (I was there at 3am). Girls are maybe 5 or 6 but they do a good job! It's very friendly (Papasan also) and the girls will try to practice their english or be very excited that you can speak a little vietnamese. But like every Tam Quat, you are separate by a curtain. But if you go late, like around 1am, normally, they do not have a lot of customers, you'll be probably alone! ANW, I got a good experience there!
[QUOTE=Towel;1165117]They have a good Tam Quat in Pho Vong street (near Bach Mai Hospital) and it's open very late (I was there at 3am). Girls are maybe 5 or 6 but they do a good job! It's very friendly (Papasan also) and the girls will try to practice their english or be very excited that you can speak a little vietnamese. But like every Tam Quat, you are separate by a curtain. But if you go late, like around 1am, normally, they do not have a lot of customers, you'll be probably alone! ANW, I got a good experience there![/QUOTE]What s the rate there?
[QUOTE=Qxeau;1164388]The few times I have driven past recently, there has been one house with a lone, pretty decent looking lady, outside waving me in. Next time I am stopping and sampling the wares.[/QUOTE]As I said before, I didn't get the number of either of the places I stopped at, but I'll try and narrow it down a bit for you. The first lady, that I had the good experience with, was on the southbound side of the road, heading towards Hoang Quoc Viet. She was quite a ways along the road, and may well be one of the last places with ladies on offer. Looking at the map, I'd say that it was just before the traffic light junction with Co Nhue / Tran Cung. I drove past her the first time I went down there, and didn't see any action past this junction.
As I said before, she wasn't the most attractive woman I've ever seen, a bit plump and certainly not young, but had a great attitude and nice big breasts. She may not always be there on her own, as there were two massage tables in the back, separated by curtains, but no more, so a small operation.
The other place I went to, that I had the bad experience at, was pretty much opposite her place on the northbound side of the road. This was a much more "industrial" place, with at least half a dozen girls available. Somewhere I intend to avoid in the future.
I hope that helps.
[QUOTE=Prison Break;1165191]What s the rate there?[/QUOTE]It's 200k but I don't know if we need to tip or not. I handed her a 100k and she was surprised that I gave her money. We need to reconfirm that!
[QUOTE=Towel;1165959]It's 200k but I don't know if we need to tip or not. I handed her a 100k and she was surprised that I gave her money. We need to reconfirm that![/QUOTE]Mate we already pay more than vietnamese
Why need to tip?
You get sex for 200k or only BJ?
This is a joint I have been to a couple of times. Most recently because an old favorite from Indara now works here.
It's a pretty good place. Nice staff, clean premises, covering all manner of options. When you arrive you can park your motorbike downstairs, underneath. Safe and secure. Upon getting to reception, an aging but kindly papasan will give you a locker key. You then head upstairs one floor to the change room. Get your gear off and either grab a towel for a sauna or some shorts for a massage. They have westerner sized shorts which is a pleasant change from other joints!
Regarding girls, I had pre-booked my girl by text message so she was expecting me. However, I saw a few others recently and they are all of a high standard. Do not worry about that side of things. Despite this being a sauna-massage place, there is a sense of decorum about it. The ticket price is VND120k for a 1 hour massage. This gets paid on the way out. My girl came in to the massage room, which is of a good size, concrete walls a small gap at the top corner where an aircom unit is shared with the room next door, a fan is also on the wall. It's clean, has a decent sized massage bed with a not so firm mattress and plenty of room for fooling around. On this visit, having not seen her for a while, we fooled around for a while, kissing, touching etc, before it really was time for business. Having got me nice and ready under the shorts she whipped them off, oiled me up a little and proceeded to give me the sweetest hand job combined with excellent anal play. No BJ here. House rule. But. All girls are willing to meet you outside of work shifts so anything is negotiable. And they are all worth meeting.
When you have finished, you are offered a shower, escorted back to your locker to get changed and then the girl will take you back to the massage room to discuss her tip. Usually with her tongue down your throat and her hands firmly on your cock. Smart girls.
Overall, this is an excellent place with a nice low ticket price and tip negotiations totally between you and the girl. Recommended for the Au Co / Tay Ho area. Staff will get your bike ready for you as you exit. Good service. Give it a go.
[QUOTE=Qxeau;1166753]This is a joint I have been to a couple of times. Most recently because an old favorite from Indara now works here.[/QUOTE]This sounds like a place worth checking out. Where abouts on Au Co is it? Does it have a name to look out for? What sort of tip do the girls usual expect?
Big sign, easy enough to spot. On the Xuan Dieu bend of Au Co. Tips range from 150k to 200k and up. Totally up to you.
[QUOTE=Richard Dawkins;1167056]This sounds like a place worth checking out. Where abouts on Au Co is it? Does it have a name to look out for? What sort of tip do the girls usual expect?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Qxeau;1167377]Big sign, easy enough to spot. On the Xuan Dieu bend of Au Co. Tips range from 150k to 200k and up. Totally up to you.[/QUOTE]Does this price include full sex or is it just a hand job price?
I had a look on google map. Could you explain more what do you mean by on the Xuan Dieu bend? I don't seem to find anything with that name around that street.
Cheers
Just HJ. Other services available outside by negotiation.
It's between Ngo 124 Au Co and Ngo 200 Au Co. Google Maps is wrong a the moment. What it says is Au Co is actually Xuan Dieu.
[QUOTE=Droplet; 1169304]Does this price include full sex or is it just a hand job price?
I had a look on google map. Could you explain more what do you mean by on the Xuan Dieu bend? I don't seem to find anything with that name around that street.
Cheers[/QUOTE]
I just finished up an extended stay in Hanoi and thought I'd pass this one.
For the short-term monger, Hanoi is tough. I suggest you do it the expensive way and go to the Fortuna, but it'll cost you $200 all night with peripheral expenses. Or do it the medium way and go to Nutz at the Sheraton where you'll pay $50 short-term or all night. Or do it the cheap way and visit a proven high-end men's massage parlor, but then you'll just get HJ for $20-30. If you're in town for a few nights and do not know locals who can guide you, your options are limited. I don't do the low-end places, so I can't comment on those.
If you go to the Fortuna, make sure you ask the Mamasan only to bring around the women who will do sex. Some only entertain guests in the Karaoke rooms. There are cheaper karaoke bars with pretty women but it's very hard to navigate them without local Vietnamese friends. As a foreigner on your own, I don't recommend you try on your own. If you just want a girl sent to you, you can call / text this Fortuna mamasan: Hoang 01686770888. Plan on $100 ST and $150 LT.
The easiest option are the men's massage parlors, but you have to know where the best talent is. It tends to change from time to time. For a while, I was going to the massage parlor of the Bao Som Hotel. 50 Nguyen Chi Thanh. Massage 200, 000 and most girls will generally be up for a meeting at a later time, just exchange cell numbers. I usually tipped 200, 000 for good service and 50, 000-100, 000 for mediocre service. However, over the past year, talent has deteriorated at that place. I also don't like wearing the shorts.
Some readers have recommended Kingston Club. 53b Hang Chuoi, and it's pretty decent. Around $20 for the massage and they'll bath you. Girls will probably meet up later. Tip 200, 000 for good service.
Best place at the moment is the "other" Oasis Hotel. 77 Doc Bac Co. You go into the restaurant and ride the elevator to the 5th floor (not the 6th, like the signs say). Never seen a foreigner in the place. Known by Vietnamese locals to have the best looking girls in town right now. VIP massage 450, 000 for 90 minutes. Big rooms. You can start by sitting in the easy chair and having the girl sit on your lap while you feel them up. Then she'll bathe you in the whirlpool, then massage. Unhurried HJ and the girls so far have been willing to meet up after their shifts (which, unfortunately, end at midnight). No shorts. The Oasis on Lang Ha is OK, but this one is much better. Tip 200, 000 for good service.
For long-timers in Hanoi, you have many options. There are so many girls / women who want to meet a Westerner to practice English or try something different. Just put an ad in any of the dating websites or even in the New Hanoian. It's like fishing. You'll pull in some attractive ones and some unattractive ones. As someone else on this site said, most wlomen will be longing for sex with you by the 3rd date. In fact, some Vietnamese women seem to be starving for sex. Best to invite them to your own apartment. They're more conflicted than Western women about sex, sometimes feel guilty but at the same time beg you not to stop.
Pluses of Viet girls: Much easier to get one with flat tummy, no kid than in Thailand, but they are less skilled in sex. Viet men make any foreigner look good to them. Lots of pent-up sexuality and fantasies with Western men. That can be fun.
Minuses of Viet girls: Bad teeth. The man really has to take the initiative, depending what you want to do.