2005 Moscow Reports

Thread Starter.

Some of you guys might be interested to know that the Pimsleur teach yourself Russian series is being traded on eDonkey. I've already got the beginners lessons and it seems pretty good. Anyway, if you can't afford to pay $300+ for it then go ahead and download it.

Also, I was checking out xmatch.com (crap site) and noticed quite a few dyev's looking for sex. For those of you that are in candyland at the moment you might want to check it out to see if it can be a new resource!

Anyone tried this site or "AdultFriendFinder" (hereafter AFF)?

I tried the AFF once a looong time ago and felt like I had totally wasted my money.

By this I mean, I felt like the ads you see before you pay to see "all" the ads are fake. Few (if any) women are on there, just men paying $$$ in the vain hope of getting some free pussy.

Others have better experiences?

Happy New Year ALL! I've been strapped down for the past 2+ weeks and even now I'm in Moscow but somewhat restricted for a few more days! I do have a few quick comments though!

opusD... Great reports! Thanks for all of the kind words too. Sorry I was away during your visit. With that said... I don't even know who you are! I have found that it is best not to mention anything to a client unless they bring the hobby up, so I often don't tie a WSG user name in with a client. Even then, I have a hard enough time remembering people's names without throwing in a second name! :)

IG... I feel your pain! I've rented a total of 13 apartments in Moscow over the past year and I can tell you the biggest problem is the rent and not the commission. So many companies are throwing money at Xpats to get them to move to Moscow the rents continue to increase on a monthly basis. When you actually start looking at apartments you will not believe the crap that some of these locals think they can charge outrageous rates for! I wish you luck. I do have a couple of very good agents if you're interested, but I doubt you'll get a discount. I also have several suggestions of things you'll want to specify when you start negotiating with the RU landlord. PM me if you want some unsolicited advice.

I am also from London and would say that
(1) Moscow real estate is cheaper to buy than in London
(2) Moscow real estate is more expensive to let, than in London

The discrepancy come from the cost of capital. Capital is cheap and ridiculously easy to come by in London. In Moscow there is a higher reward for capital, so if you are a bank lending US dollars in Moscow, you lend it at a much higher rate than you would in London or in New York. Similarly, if you own a £300,000 flat in London (say the typical 2 bed in Fulham) you might get £1200 a month for it if you are lucky these days. A similar value place in Moscow ($575,000) will be rented out for $5,000+ a month. Rental yield in London is 3-4% pa. In Moscow it is more like 12-15%.

Commissions are low here in London - but only for the lessee. Here the lessee pays basically nothing. All the fees are paid by the lessor - who typically pays 7% or so (up to 17% if it is fully managed). In contrast, the system in Moscow is more equitable in the sense that both lessees and lessors pay fees. So it is a completely different system.

Secondly, Real Estate agents in London make most of their money via the sale of property. Lettings is a side business. Often in Moscow its the other way round. Lettings are the main game, with the sale of property a side show.

Thirdly, the breadth and liquidity in the London real estate market means agents get much higher volumes than in Moscow. As a result, fees are likely to be lower as the turnover is much higher.

I can ony advise you not to spend too much time and effort fighting "the system" in Moscow. They do things their own way there, and it may be inefficient, but thats the way everyone does things. You either fit into the system, or you dont play ball at all (unless you are a billionaire and can afford to buck the system.) You can waste a lot of time and energy trying to buck the system and getting nowhere except very frustrated (and poor).

I dont know what standard of apartment you are looking for in Moscow, but anyone with a nice euro standard apartment in the Arbat or Patriarshy Prudy area available for rent is unlikely to go to a cheap discount agancy that caters to soviet era pensioners. They will almost surely go to agency like Evans, Intermark, Beatrix, Blackwood cause they know (a) those are foreigners areas and that (b) they have a foreigner standard apartment

I wouldnt worry too much about spelling. The only correct spelling of Russian is in the Cyrillic alphabet. There is no correct spelling of any Russian word in the Latin alphabet. Its like saying what the correct spelling of the english word "dictionary" is, in Chinese characters!

Transliterations tend to depend what language people are based in. How do you spell the surname of the composer Pyotr Illich? In English is see it written as Chaikovsky. Germans often spell it Tchaikowski ... neither are "correct" .. both are just trying to make a sound similar to the original russian sounds, without using the Cyrillic alphabet, and using conventional sounds and letter combinations from their own language.

[QUOTE=Ira Glub]

Anyway, I'm looking for a 2-3 bedroom apartment in the city center, preferably around the Arbat our Patriarschy Ponds area (I hope I spelled that correctly)...[/QUOTE]

RM,

I appreciate your comments and effort to help and elucidate. You seem to have much experience with the RE market in Moscow and financial issues in general. I hope you don't mind me taking advantage of your kindness by asking some additional questions.

Do you know if mortgages are readily available from Russian banks? I was thinking that buying a property might be more advantageous than renting one out. As you know, here in London mortgages are very easy to take out. This might not be the case in Moscow. I also assume that interest rates in Russia must be much higher?

You mentioned earlier that there are more millionaires and billionaires in Moscow than anywhere else in the world. Have most of these fortunes been made from the privatizations of state-owned companies? What kinds of businesses are young Russian entrepreneurs exploring today?

I'm also curious about the Russian stock market. Do you know if foreigners are allowed to invest directly in Russian stocks? How easy is it to find research reports on Russian stocks in English?

CAT,

Thanks for the offer. I will PM you shortly.

Getting a little off topic Ira since this is primarily a forum about (a) women, (b) their pants and (c) how to get into them, so I will send you a PM with more details.

But in summary: Mortgages - yes; Interest rates - much higher; Privatisations - It would be too simplistic to say yes, but incorrect to say no. Young Russian entrepreneurs (do the french have a word for that?) blow enormous amounts of dough opening restaurants and night clubs; Russian stocks - yes, English reports - yes.

Moscow's Billionaires overtake New Yorks:
[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/3710977.stm[/url]

More on the Billionaires and how they grew:
[url]http://www.forbes.com/lists/2004/07/21/cz_pkl_0721russianintro.html[/url]

Also I just did a search for you in Arbat and Patriarshy Prudy areas for a 2-3 bedroom place (known in Russia as a 3-4 room place - since they count bedrooms and living rooms and add them together) of around 120 sq metres and the range is $1900 a month to $8000 a month ... realistically for a decent western standard place, in those areas, 2-3 bedrooms, around 120 square metres, you have to be looking around USD 5k a month and up.

Perhaps we've reached the point where we need a "Living in Moscow/Russia" thread???

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Perhaps we've reached the point where we need a "Living in Moscow/Russia" thread???[/QUOTE]I totally agree on this idea. I support it.

Have recieved a few emails requesting info about the totchkas and just wanted to elaborate. I went at all times of the day, you just need to ask more than one taxi driver if the first doesn't know. Hail a cab by standing off the curb and sticking your arm out. I definitely want to stress - bring smaller bills with you, like $20 bills. Russian ATMs only seem to spit out $100 bills, which the mommas balk at. I wanted to bring one of those little brown counterfeit pens with me after 5 minutes arguing with a momma. Why is it people think a non-native speaker will understand better if they shout the answer at you, instead of speaking more slowly? Anyway, if you're unsure about which girl to choose, take momma aside and talk to her. One time I ignored a momma's advice on a girl and got a dud. You can be the judge if the momma is telling the truth. Always tip your momma. I gave them 300 or 400 rubles. Maybe too big a tip, but it seems like a little gratuity here and there pays off for repeat business. Anyways, enjoy, хороший аппетит, and stay safe!

opus dog

rm... excellent synop of the Moscow RE market. One thing though that I quickly learned is that the searches on the RE company websites are usually a waste of time! The cheap places are almost never available and most importantly, the really nice places that are reasonably priced go within a week. My agent told me that anyplace that is on the market a week after listing is either overpriced or something is wrong with it.

Also, as you and anyone who has ventured into Russian apartment buildings, well know, the photos of the apartment NEVER tell the entire story of the aparment. The building entry, the neighbors, the neighborhood, the view, the smell of the hall, the pets, etc. etc. will make or break the livability of an apartment.

As you said, IMHO the best money you can spend is what you pay your quality agent who will keep an eye open for the top-notch apartment that has just come on the market.

Also, unlike in the USA where apartments are listed on a Multiple Listing Service, the landlord must list his rental apartment with each separate agency. I've also found that the price varies between agencies. For instance, I've seen the same apartment at Intermark several hundred dollars per month more than at Blackwood.

In addition, as you stated, someone with a Western style high-quality apartment would almost never list with a Russian agency because the top dollar comes from the Xpat who is typically being reimbersed by their company for living expenses.

[QUOTE=Blue Birde]I totally agree on this idea. I support it.[/QUOTE]Me too, Stravinsky, I suggest we put in it the " basic " how to ... and " basic processing " ( visa, ATM, hotel security, apartments etc) in this thread so that every newbie could look at it or be answered " go to the basic thread!

Moreover, how about writing having a FAQ section like the one in the Czeck Republic section. There are so many replies that to go through all of them has become a daunting task. Any write-up volunteers?

Johnny

My hat off to you. That is the first girl on this board that are worthy of repeat offense. What a hot looking ****. Is she RUS? Her skin tone and posing suggests otherwise but....:( may be I am too harsh on them.
Afterall Gems do exists in mother Russia.
Happy New Year hunting.
It appears the good time to go to Moscow is January now. They just passed labour law giving them Dec31-Jan 10 vacation for the whole country.
Next New Year I am in Moscow,no more US boring crap.:)))

Monster:

Thanks for the kind words, even though I have found a few more girls on this board worth a repeat offense... all a question of taste and perspective I suppose. Assuming you mean cheerleader girl, she is Russian... from Siberia. You are right though, she doesn't look particularly Russian... she is a mutt I am sure.

What is your favorite hunting ground BTW?

Roger Mellie

SW....?? I was looking for non SW Tochkas who are working the streets....??

Hizark:

What is a non SW tochka? What RM was saying though is that there aren't really any freelance streetwalkers in Moscow. If you do meet one, it is pure chance. The streetwalker scene is organized and consolidated in tochkas.

Ca Traveller and Roger Mellie,

Thanks for your input, I think I now have a plan. Cheers, a field report is on the way!

Sometimes its all in their attitude.

THIS.... IS......THEE.......
genuine, true, and authentic
"Come fuck me in my ass" look.

At that moment, I wasn't even sure,
I mean, I had a feeling, right away,
when I gazed into her sweet pink
puckering ochko.

I guess there just comes a point when
you realize, she want's dick in every
hole. That's the look.

To anyone with connections in Moscow.

I'm looking to find some girls who will do photos/video. I want premium girls, -21y.o., thin, long hair, pretty faces. I want to see some pics before I meet with them. Girls must be willing to get a full STD test and work without a condom. This is NOT for commercial use, but just for myself. It's been a dream for a long time to make some pics/vids with very fine young ladies.

PM me if you've got some connections! I'll be in Moscow from Feb 1st.

Anybody up for going out - say after 9.30pm?

I'm into drinking, having a laugh, checking out chicks and discussing Russia.

Cheers!

What is the price for a bj from a Tochka girl......?? Most of the prices I have seen are priced in terms of time...??

h21... A tochka is not like a brothel with a different set of prices for each activity.

You pick out your girl and you take her to your place. During your time with her, it doesn't matter if you want to play checkers... strip monopoly... or the the big bad wolf and three little pigs and she tries to "blow" your house down. The price is the same. You can usually keep her until the sun comes up, maybe longer, or until you decide you've exhausted every parlor game that you can think of and you send her back to her doma.

Hi,

back on 20.01 in moscow with my lawer i want to invite him for a tochka night :-)
we both like to enjoy 2 girls at the same time, so we would like to "invite" 4 girls. Is it a good idea at a tochka?

Can we both fuck them all ? :-)

Thanks for Idea,

Wolf

[QUOTE=CA Traveler]h21... A tochka is not like a brothel with a different set of prices for each activity.

You pick out your girl and you take her to your place. During your time with her, it doesn't matter if you want to play checkers... strip monopoly... or the the big bad wolf and three little pigs and she tries to "blow" your house down. The price is the same. You can usually keep her until the sun comes up, maybe longer, or until you decide you've exhausted every parlor game that you can think of and you send her back to her doma.[/QUOTE]Tochka girls give BJ's for 400-600 rubles. They will do it in (your) car. They will come in the car and tell you to drive ~500 meter away and that's the place of activity. If you are using a driver, tell him to excuse himself outside for a moment, he will understand.

Girls also perform other sexual favors for you in the car, but unless you are using a big car, it's not worth it (IMHO)..

I have been to Moscow since Dec.30. I spent 8 great days in Moscow. Instead of writing detailed sex reports, I decided to share couple of my experiences with fellow mongers.

Knowledge about how to read or sound the Cyrillic alphabet will definitely help you when you are in Moscow. Metro is the easiest way to travel in Moscow, everything written in Cyrillic alphabet. If a girl says “she speaks little English” than beware her English knowledge is not more than few words.

Russians hate hand movements, they may find it insulting, eye contact is really important when you are talking with them.

Militia factor, you may see Militia all over the city, especially at the Metro stations. As our mentors mentioned before when militia stops you just talk in English. As long as you have registration problems you do not need to bribe them, if necessary don not bribe them more than $50.

Internet girls, zna.nu is the most reliable site for net girls. In my previous visit and this one we met in total of 20 different girls from net. The prices are various according to the service. It is still another option for other places.

Tochka, a must see part of the action. It is impossible to find real Moscowian girl at Tochkas. It is easy to spot the beacon girl and the line at the Garden Ring. As fellow mongers mentioned before assistance of the Mamuska will definitely help you to pick the right girl. Prices various but I do not recommend you to pay more than $150 and try the $70 girls. You are buying calm, submissive sex slaves from Tochkas. As long as she is in one piece and unharm, you have right to do anything you want.

Shandra, easy to access. Enterance of the club is a little bit tricky. Behind the building across the parking place. Cover is 525 Rubles per person. Reasonable prices for that kind of a place. First part is the restaurant, than you walk through the club section. Very attractive girls are everywhere. The quality of the service and looks of the girls are very similar to NF girls. Girls are fighting for a lap dance, cause that’s the first step to the private dancing offer. It’s difficult to deny that many beautiful women. They have no idea about lap dancing but who cares. When I was negotiating with my favourite girl, my buddy was fingering the busty blonde. 1 hour long private dancing including 2 rounds of sex is $200, you also need to pay $70 for the room. I picked Oksana(24 years old 1.82cm tall, slim, D cup blonde), after 1 hour at the private room, we decided to go to my place. It was 1:00am on Wednesday; the place was empty that’s why easy to negotiate. There is nothing much to do accept the private rooms.

Safari,500 Rubles cover; there are pros and dancers. At first dancers deny doing things besides lap dancing, but after a while everything is possible with each girl. After several lap dances we decided to take the girls to our place. It was a little bit pricey but we were in a mood not to care about it.

CF,another place to must see once. My favorite night was Thursday-ladies night- full of potential freebies. People come that place for one reason “GET LAID”. You may easy detect pros. Burgers are huge, you buy drinks two till 7:00pm. Action starts after 11:00pm.

Pyramid- actually it’s a nice sushi restaurant/café. There are no working girls at the second floor, but at the entrance you may easy find $200 pros sitting at the white tables close to the windows.

Fridays-Hard Rock, it may be possible to find student freebies but there are hundreds of places to find girls easier.

Irish pub Moli Gwens on Novekozneskaya mostly expat friends

CF-Papa Jones-Safari-Oh la la-Tochka- same quality girls.
NF-Melitsa-Pyramid-Shandra same quality girls.

There are many other places to hang out, reasonable/classy restaurants, bars/clubs. If you want to know more PM me.

Moscow is an open city full of possibilities.

H Willi,

You may do whatever you want with the Tochka girls. But I advice you to experience lesbian action pros from zna.ru

They will blow your head off. They are a little pricey but they know how to play.

I am usually not one to post personal encounters but i do not want to feel like a free-rider after receiving such useful information from this board.

So the following are some observations after spending a week and half in Moscow:

First, i spend most of the time focusing on getting freebie action, since i like the challenge of the conquest.

Thus first few nights i spent partying in clubs like Real McKoy, Karma Bar and Hipoptam; Great places, with a younger, hip crowd. Met a lot of girls, but focused my attention on one specific girl that i cliqued with each time.

The other nights i checked out Papa John's and Hungry Duck.

Papa John's is a great place on Tuesdays, with so many girls, it is impossible not to pick up a girl. I hooked up with a hot blond student, 19 year old, from Uzbek. We started making out after 5 minutes of meeting each other. She spoke good English, and had a really exotic look that I like. I spent the whole night dancing with her.

I had to check out the Hungry Duck, just because it is so infamous. What i can report is that overall it sucks. The place was dark, and strip shows where boring. the only good strip shows were from the amateur drunk girls that me and my friends almost picked up.

The whole night seemed like a waste, until I hook up with a super hot blond student who was visiting from out of town with her friends. She had a 7 face, but a 9 body. She spoke a little English, but luckily my friends where able to translate for me. Unfortunately i was only able to get a small kiss and her phone number.

Although i tried closing the deal the same night with the girls i met, the girls always had friends protecting them, thus i was only able to make out and get phone numbers.

Once the clubs closed, i tried the Tochka scene, but as previous posts have reported, the quality is really low, especially at 5AM. Thus i decided it was not worth it, and went back to my friend's apartment where i was staying, get some rest, and try the internet during the day.

In the afternoon tried one of the girls from zna.ru. When the girl came, she looked similar to the photo on the internet, but no where near as good as the professionally done photo. Either way, she was cute and I was hot. So i gave her 3000 rub and went to the bedroom.

Service was a 6 at best, but her body was a definite 9. I have never touched such firm breasts!

Since service was mediocre, i refocused my attention on the freebie scene. During the day, i called up the girls that i had met the previously and arraigned lunch dates. Things went well, but the girls were still a little apprehensive because they knew that i did not live in Moscow. But with a little persistence I was able to have sex with all but one of the girls i had met that week!

In fact one day, I literally had sex with one, walked her back to the metro station, and then picked up the next one for a shag.

Overall the freebie action was much more GFE, and rewarding. All were very wet, passionate and did everything in bed. However if you want to score in Moscow, you must have “game”, have some patience, and speak a little Russian. The really pretty girls are not so easy, and one must compete with the local Russian guys, who have money and “game”.

Chachapoya and BBAJ,

Thanks for your reports.

Chachapoya, I typically think that it would take weeks to develop a freebie relationship with a Russian dyev, but it seems to have been relatively easy for you. Would you attribute your success to; a) your close resemblance to Brad Pitt, or b) your facility with the Russian language, or c) Russkie dyefki will fuck anything that moves, given enough LI ice teas, or d) all of the above?

BBAJ

Can you give us any specific recommendations for girls from zna.nu? Girls you met personally.

Also, are the club girls free to come and go with the customers as they please? Did you have to pay extra to get them out of the club?

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Chachapoya:

Indeed the girlfriends of your target for the night are your worst enemy when trying to score her as she’s out clubbing surrounded by her jealous horde. At best your mate can take the other chick and you can push the deal together. If not, it is tough for a girl to let her girlfriends see her sluttily go home with a guy she met 4 hours ago… especially if he’s an illiterate sex-obsessed foreigner.

Or more often than not, the girlfriends will jealously try to protect her from her wanton and drunken self. Sometimes they are even “protecting” her boyfriend, who is happily dozing away at home getting some rest before the early shift at Rostiks in their single room flat while his girlfriend considers the option of climbing the ladder, even if just for a night, for a chance at/taste of the well-dressed smooth-talking foreigner with the nice shoes and expensive-looking big watch. Or maybe the fact that you are tanned in January subconsciously suggests a better life to her, and she can’t help her instinctive nature. Or maybe those L.I.I.Ts are just getting her really L.I.T. Or maybe she does this every weekend and she is in between Sergeis and looking to get Bob #3.

So how do you beat the Girlfriend Chastity Lockout?

If you’ve got a mate running shotgun, being the wingman or even leading the charge, you’ve obviously got better chances.

Have you no mate, as I often do, it is more difficult. The importance of having one can’t be overstated in my opinion.

Still, when I haven’t had the luxury and have found myself in that predicament of fending off her suspicious girlfriends with the customary barrage of half-truths and double talk, one tactic I’ve used successfully on a number of occasions is when the horde (her girlfriends) object letting her go alone with you, then I invite the WHOLE horde back to the pad. If they agree, your chances get much better. As always you should have tea, cola, beer, sovietsky champagne, vodka, o-juice and at best something like Bailey’s or Martini stocked. Chances are that the girls will drink any combination of the above and it is important to keep the club mojo going. When selecting music, I suggest having a lounge, trance/ambient or some other electronic yet non-aggressive music CD on hand… if you aren’t sure what to play I find that nearly ever chick likes lounge/ambient and it can add the sultry touch to put her over the top. Also a good idea to have Cosmos TV… it helps distract the odd girl out while you grope the other one and eventually take her next door and slip her your cock. Or maybe even attempt to initiate the elusive ménage a trois? It does happen.

Obviously a hot tub helps enormously when a girl, especially if she is inexperienced, balks at removal of garments or seems uncomfortable with too much couch action. It is an easy way to convince them to get naked, especially the younger ones get all excited by hottubs... even more so when dealing with unsophisticated or inexperienced girls. Let the bubbles get really high so they can enter the tub without you seeing (if they are that nervous or shy at all) and then once in the tub seek hand on thigh contact below the surface of the water and start kissing her, eventually sliding the hand to her twat and start working her box. Obviously if you get her in the tub you will score.

If you haven't gotten that far though and it becomes apparent that you really aren’t going to score on night 1 or even get her out of the club alone, which can happen and seems to reflect a reported disturbing trend among Moscow dyevs to not give it up on opening night, then it is sometimes a good idea to back off, get her number and set her up for the next day. In such cases I make sure to send a SMS before crashing (or going to another club) to maintain the illusion. If she meets you the next day I suggest doing anything to get her back to your apartment and as soon as she is there start applying the “Octopus Tactic”, “the Schizo”, “Total Rapture” or my current favorite, “le Artiste “. Usually she’ll fold quicker than a sushi bar in Kansas.

If she doesn’t fold, kick her skinny ass out and apply the Failsafe, or as RM says, the Nuclear Option, and go for some pro action before succumbing to the numbing reality that getting laid is never automatic, not even in Moscow.

Stravinsky

I don't look like Brad Pitt, although i am a very good dancer.
I can only speak very basic Russian, enough to have simple conversations.
And although my Russian friends INSIST that I buy the girls alot of drink and get them drunk, I don't because it is against my principles (It's the American in me).

So i guess the secret to success is presceening and presistence.

In one night i might meet and talk to dozens of girls, while only end up with one or two solid leads. If there is no 'click' after 10-15 minutes, I move on. If she is resistant to letting me touch her a little, I move on. If she is resistant to give me her phone number, i move on. That way I don't waste my time.

Also as Dr. Skank noted, having wingmen helps tremendously. Although i did have success alone too.

The key is to be persistant on the second date, and get them to your apartment alone with no friends. Often the girls will say no, but you have to push a little. Its a game because the do not want to seem so easy. Once in the apartment it is a sure thing.

I remember one girl who insisted on not coming to the apartment. After a little kissing and presuading, she agreed to come for tea. Five minutes in the apartment, we were already having sex.

Damn! That's why they call you the Fuck-IngDoc.

Subdue pink insurgents using overpowering
psych warfare tactical strategies.

Sadly, some pinko sukas developed capabilites
so advanced to creat a psycho gap triggering
dreaded numb Neutron Bomb Option.

Nuclear

This was one of the headlines at Yahoo. Be careful! [url]http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050112/ap_on_he_me/russia_aids[/url]

Dear Moger friends,

Thank you all for your kind PMs. Most of the PMs are about zna.nu girls. Some of them are pricey but they deserve every peny. They blow your head off.

Especially try the lesbian ones, some of them ready to play sinful and ask you whether you are willing to play with two girls at the same time. Recently I saw Mother and daughter post on zna.nu That may be interesting.

Only couple of them really speak or understand English. Ex. Victoria, crazy on bed, friendly, talkative. She speaks and understands really little English, but she is a true GFE. Her dispacth speaks fluent English and they may arrange 4 different girls. In my last night in Moscow, dispatch sent me 18 years old blonde cutey for $200 all night long. No FK but awesome sex. They request 250 all night long but it's negotiable. One hint, on Fridays and weekends it is difficult to down the price. Second hint, call the girls to come to your place on day time(afternoon) for 1 hour. If you like her service, ask her to stay longer, most of the time the price for all night long decrease.

I will send you the links and the names of the girls.

Doctor has given advice that should be handed out to all mongers and kept in your wallet for immediate reference.

Absolutely so true, every word he says. I have even had experiences of not getting laid flash before my eyes as I read his strategies. The more sober girlfriend is my worst nightmare.

As our mentor Doc mentioned freebies need more attention and there is someone who is watching their pinky. It is possible to find a freebie but the real problem is most of them are not looking for one night adventure; they are after long-term sugar daddy. Last time I met a journalism student who has been to UK and US couple times. She speaks fluent English. We had brunch/dinner together, lots of clubbing. After 4 days of close attention I had a chance to get laid with her. OH BOY that was beyond awesome. We are still in touch; I am planning to come to Moscow for a weekend trip on February just because of her.

It’s a fact that Russian woman hunger for close attention. It is hard to see it with pros but if you have a chance to date with a Russian woman (non pro), you will understand what I meant. There are so many places to have a chance to meet with freebies such as CF, Papa Jones, B2, Shanti, Propaganda, Cool Train, Roxy, Puskin café and more (But you may also find pros in these places). Life is full of surprises.

Hot-tab, basket of fresh fruits and chocolate, quality drinks may help you to conquer the hidden palace trough the Black Gates (girls friends/sisters hanging out together with your hunt).

Recently I got a couple of PMs on the various tactics and techniques I and Roger Mellie sometimes mention in our reports.

Actually, the various techniques describe ways to meet girls and get a girl into your bed are a product not only extensive research on the part of Roger Mellie and myself, but also the product of some fun conversation we had during down time while on a recent Kiev mongering trip. Down time for us in Kiev was usually between 11 and 12 pm… waiting out the hour before 111 opens. In that time we pondered the nature of our pursuit and came up with the following terms… our creative efforts aided by a few beers and cocktails, total lack of sleep and the visual and physical stimulation of the local female populace.

Anyway, for what it’s worth, here is an incomplete definition of tactical terminology:

1) The Octopus: This is the classic flirting method in EE. The Octopus simply means you should pretend you have 8 arms and just grope and grovel all over her until she finally:

a) gets all wet and excited and can’t stop herself
b) goes into toxic shock and can no longer resist

This is really one of the top methods and should be mastered with simple practice. Works best with very young girls who are curious + carefree or “girls” over 30 who are happy to get any attention at all. Recent field tests have revealed a new Octopus Tactic resistant strain of 20ish dyevki populating a number of Moscow clubs. These can often be defeated by utilizing the Octopus on Tequila tactic, but caution is recommended. You never know where this might lead. When Octopus isn’t functioning, you may want to try another favorite of mine:

2) The Schizo: Originally developed to woo over a surprisingly nervous and inexperienced 36 year old kindergarden teacher by asking her to let the young curious girl in her out, it was redeveloped and proved most effective in convincing young, nervous and uncertain girls (often with religious beliefs or living with babushka) to explore their femininity. In many cases, the uncertain, nervous girl turned out to be a cock-hungry demonka with an insatiable desire to bone and suck.

The Schizo is simple. When you realize she is uncertain about what she should do, you become “Mr.Understanding” and enquire about her uncertainty. Perhaps her apparent uncertainty is merely faux morality that is easily decoded or perhaps it is indeed the dreaded M word. Morality. Morality is notoriously contagious, so it is best to avoid her girlfriends, at least until you’ve done the deed at least once and she is immune to morality and forever your on-call fuckbunny.

Anyway, so you enquire about her uncertainty, and develop the conversation in such a way that you compare her uncertainty with the behavior of a little girl. This will likely make her feel slightly embarrassed, and you suggest that she is schizo and cannot decide if she is a little girl or a young woman.

Note: I don’t suggest actually using the word “schizo” when describing her “condition” to her. Unexpected negative results may occur..

If you have selected the right tactic and applied it at the right time (for example after 3 Baileys) she will be cast into a turmoil of inner conflict, fighting her own embarrassment for being so uncosmopolitan while at the same time asking herself if she indeed does need to “do more”* to become a real woman.

It is a risky tactic, as if it doesn’t work right away it may create mental blockage in the female and she may remain in a near paralysis state of laming schizophrenia for the course of the evening, blocking your 10 and 12 pm fuck time slots and effectively ruining your evening.

*do more guys

3) The Exorcist: The Exorcist means “getting the demon out”. It isn’t a true exorcism, as ultimately you want that little demon of debauchery to stay in her, but you do need to conjure it out of her to release her sexual hunger. Rather than the full-fledged Octopus assault (or perhaps as a change of tactics when she fends off the Octopus), the Exorcist requires some (but really remarkably little) insight into the female psyche. You must find that “button” that turns her on and push it repeatedly. Sometimes that button is a clit and one must make digital or oral contact to activate it, sometimes it is the often-ignored tits, which is a key erogenous zone for a large percentage of women.

During my exorcisms I like to apply neck kisses, some light biting, firm yet discreet ass-grabbing and the outbursts of passionate kissing set in contrast to teasing playful almost kisses. The TPaKs are really a fine technique. Drives girls wild.

I know that RM is a fan of applying the tit massage and kisses. He achieves very good results when applying this Exorcist variation. The Exorcist may be applied in conjunction with other techniques to achieve maximum sexual results.

4) Total Rapture: When applying Total Rapture you must be certain of the nature of your targets romantic nature. Total Rapture should only be applied to very romantic girls who at least need some semblance of romance and love before spreading. Total Rapture is not for the timid, Total Rapture involves extensive lying and the delicate application of half-truths and the extremely effective TLT, the Temporary Love Transition, this zen-like condition in which you temporarily actually believe that you are in love with the girl and you apply all the corny romantic clichés you can cough up. I really don’t like this tactic, despite its effectiveness, as it involves syrupy lies and saying things guys just really don’t like to say. Not necessarily using the catastrophic L word, but certainly lots of “your eyes are like sapphires”, “at this moment we are alone in the universe, our souls come closer” and “I need to be near you, now and always” bullshit. Some girls, usually extremely boring and sexually inhibited, really require this tactic…and hearing these words.

The danger in randomly applying Total Rapture is that you may inadvertently scare off a girl who doesn’t want to get serious fast but just wants sexual adventure, you may turn off a girl who likes tough, direct men as opposed to hyper-romantic neo-poets (a common desire among Russian women is for men to be direct and aggressive) or you may accidentally create the impression of a serious relationship in her dyev brain. This may very well change her behavior to your disliking and ruin your week.

In my opinion, Total Rapture generally should be applied as a supplement to other tactics, but not be the focal point of your assault. Nonetheless, I have had to apply it in full force upon occasion. I simply had no choice.

5) The Hand Grenade in the Fish Tank: When in a target rich environment, such as 111 or Karma Bar, you can afford to MIRV your approach and hit multiple targets early in an effort to reveal their nature and avoid late night disappointments. The idea behind it is to hit many targets early and hope that of the 10-15 you hit, you’ll get 3-5 that bite and ultimately have to merely select your concussion stunned victim and drag her home. This isn’t one of my favorite tactics, nor is it a favorite of RM, but I do know many guys who apply it with occasional, and sometimes remarkable, success. It is a fun tactic as well, as it is fairly easy and you meet a lot of people. I suggest using this tactic early in the evening or during the peak of the evening, while crowds are still large.

Using this one late night as a bottom-feeding technique will bag the occasional lonely and/or drunk bird, however it could also make you look really pathetic as you chat up every single girl in the place and everybody observes you being shot down repeatedly. If you are achieving no success with the tactic at all, it may in fact be best to go to a different club and start off with a clean slate.

One should avoid using this tactic in the same premises on consecutive weekends or nights. Especially in smaller clubs, you will soon develop a reputation that will hinder your success.

6) Max Exposure or “the Players”: This works best with an equal caliber wingman and involves ignoring most every girl in the place and audibly having a good time with your mate, drinking cocktails and enjoying yourself as if you didn’t have a care in the world, or better yet, owned it. You’ll get attention and your aloofness will intrigue them. Best applied in a casual yet classy suit, power watch, nice shoes, styled. If your patience holds, you will likely get approached in some way by the ladies after some time. This is an effective tactic especially with more sophisticated and better-looking girls… the kind who are used to getting hit on 20 times a night and rejecting all 20. Allow her, at least at this stage in the game, to be the huntress. Your carefree joy, wealth and success represented by the suit and watch and shoes, are the bait… a most effective one in EE. Even if you aren’t approached early, getting exposure at this stage and ignoring all the ladies will make your approach later in the evening easier as she will have the flattering impression that she is somehow special and SHE scored a player.

7) “le Artiste”: I like this one, appealing to the romantic nature of girls without being sappy, and instead obsessing about art, photography and capturing the beauty of the moment. There is a little Total Rapture in it, but in fact you are not focused on the female, but rather on enjoying life itself…to the point of gluttony. This self-confident obsessive behavior appeals to many girls and they become fascinated by it. If she is interested, it is usually not too difficult to convince her to pose for “art”. If she is willing to pose for art, she is willing to fuck you.

8) The Nuclear Option (aka the Failsafe): Although I obviously really enjoy freebie pursuit and this occupies the majority of my time when in country, I am an absolute fan of the pro option. Pro sex is not only easy, it builds confidence, its non-commital, low-stress and doesn’t have to be expensive, not even really much more than a multi-club Saturday night trawl.

The Nuclear Option is a secure option, barring a complete meltdown, you will score, you will get off, you will get tit, ass and pussy galore and you won’t have to apply any sort of tactic or strategy, even though I do personally use the above tactics to a certain degree even with the pros… in an effort to get them actively involved in the sex… and enjoying it.

I like to activate the Failsafe early in my mongering trips. Although I usually don't use it on Day 1, which I use to pursue free options, I do activate it on Day 2 if I haven't scored on day 1. Using the pro option will jump start your mojo and take the pressure off, freeing your mind for effective hunting..

Numerous additional tactics also come into use, and I am certain that most mongers have applied the above in some variation when developing their own techniques. Notable ones that I rarely or never apply that come to mind are the “millionaire Playboy”, “Heartbroken”, “the Idiot Tourist”, "El Guapo", “Dance Academy” and “Talent Scout”.

Notoriously ineffective in EE are “Shy Guy”, “Urban Cowboy” and “the Home Video Librarian”.

Although having a plan is a good idea and I really do apply them in one form or another, it is important to remember that in love and war, when the shooting starts, the original battle plan often goes out the window. Adapting to field conditions is the true art of mongering.

Quality lesson, though the sentence , do more guys , had me worried for a moment.

doc... abso-fucking-lutely classic! Should be a "must read" for every member!

Doc,

Brilliant post!

I bow down at your feet in homage.

Doc:

ROFLMAO!!!!

Moderator, please, if you ever happen to read over the musings of us mere mortals, make [url=http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showpost.php?p=336560&postcount=2260][red]it[/red][/url] a [b]"Sticky"[/b]!

Well, not quite yet, but due to arrive in 5 short days!

:DIf there are any exceptionally beautiful, big breasted, blonde nymphomaniac ladies out there willing to engage Sexplorer in mindblowing animalistic sexual acts without any expectations for payment of any kind;), please PM me in order to hook up.

Realistically however, if my high school "scoring average" is any indication, I have a feeling my maibox will [b]NOT[/b] be overflowing by an overabundance of messages from such beasts. Therefore, as a distant second ;) I would LOVE to meet any like minded mongers in town!

Come on gentelmongers, let's get together for a beer (or many) and a joint assault on Moscow Tochkas.

Sexplorer

Twat did you say

I **** hear you

I have an ear infuction

Well, Sexplorer has come and gone, and the forum was down the entire time. Being a good foot soldier, he kept listening to the opening message: "The forum will be down while I upgrade the software. Please check back in a few hours". He kept checking back in a few hours, and then a few hours later, and then a few hours later..... No wonder he didn't sleep at all!

This harrowing exprience, once more, made him appreciate the virtues of WSG. Indeed, for the monger, unavailability of WSG was nothing short of a nuclear holocaust, instantly catapulting Sexplorer's mongering from the "information age" into the "stone age".

Nonetheless, I managed to have a good bit of fun, and will share my experiences with you in short order. Welcome back to the informtion age, my fellow mongers.

Sexplorer,

To paraphrase the song, "I want my... I want my... WSG".

It has been a long dry spell. I've been filling the time reading posts from the local h!mbres on sextalk.ru. Lots of good info there, if you can read Russian a little.

Looking forward to your posts!

счастливо,

Stravinsky

I will travel on business in the cities of S.Petersbourg, Peterozavodsk, Novgorod. I need interepreter, which will also work for me one hour each day in bed without panties. I am ready to pay the girl double salary of good interpreter for additional effort. She can be of average appearance, but must have big breasts and wide hips. She must know English enough to translate business negotiations. I can recommend such interpreter in Moscow, which provided for me very good addtional non-expensive sex services. Stefano

Dear Stefano

Please tell us more about this wonderful girl. Does she interpret English only or does she speak other languages like Italian or French as well? What sort of additional services does she provide and at what costs? Do you have pictures? I am having a small group of my Italian friends (a tennis team consisting of 3 players and 3 others) going to Moscow soon. Would she be able to interpret for them and to service them?

ok... i admit it! i've been lazy and i haven't been contributing much, of course in the last month... no one has been, so here's a bit of information that is new to me but maybe not new to everyone else...

everyone who knows me knows that i'm not much of a strip/lap dance club fan. i never saw the point of spending good rubles for some chick to wiggle her body on you for a few minutes when you could spend just a little more and spend the night with a similar ee babe.

however, just to take one for the team, i forced myself to accompany a friend, guido888, to both oh la la and safari lodge over the past three nights. i've been to safari once and oll was a new experience for me. turned out i had a great time at oll so tonight we decided to hit safari to do a "taste test" comparison.

everything i had heard about oll beforehand told me that it would be the hands down favorite. however, before i get too carried away with the descriptions of these two clubs let me say that there are probably ten or twenty other clubs in moscow that have labeled themselves "upper class" which equates to 1,000 ruble lapdances instead of 100 ruble dances. granted the girls are top notch, but to be honest from my one experience at platinum, sans lap dances, i'm not sure that i'd shell out 1,000 rubles for a lapdance from anyone in the world.

that said, first night at oll, we were swarmed by beautiful girls... some immediately offered sex and others wanted a private dance... sometimes stipulating "no sex". private dances were 2,500 rubles. novice that i was i had a very hot chick who i seemed to be connecting with and so i laid out the 2.5 for the pd... unfortunately, i failed ask the universal question... "sex?" so, first lesson is that you "pay for an education". second lesson is that you do not go for a private dance without asking if sex is included!

so, back i go, after following the girl around the club for 10 minutes for my 500 ruble change. "no fuckee... no tippee"

finally, beautiful slim brunette managed to get me worked up and asked if i wanted a pd... now, i didn't just fall off of the turnip truck, so i ask... sex? da! she wants 3,000 rubles. unfortunately, i'm pretty much rubled out at this point, so i countered with sto dollars which she accepted and off we went. sex was very good, but it was far from gfe, and i was soon back on the couch drinking my beer. then, surprisingly i strike up a conversation with a really cute dancer and after a very passion filled ld, we continued to talk... long story but we are going dancing tomorrow night.

turned out to be a very good evening with a very important lesson learned.

tonight, we went to sl for dinner and then went down to the club. place was packed with beautiful girls who really got into their jobs! out of maybe 10 only one offered sex with a private dance, but she was hot and it was difficult to turn down, but it was very early. so, the next girl really clicked with me, goose-bumps on one side while nibbling her neck and just to be sure, goose-bumps on the other side as well got my attention, and she offered a private dance, but no sex... just very erotic. so, not learning my lesson off we go for 2,000 rubles... spent most of the pd munching down on her beautiful trimmed snatch.

afterwards i stood around and drank my beer and rested a little... but began to make eye contact with a beautiful blonde, trim with a beautiful body who had been sitting there all night. finally, i went over and asked her why she isn't dancing... "i'm only here for sex" (stupid asshole... i say to myself!) so, i asked how much, 3,000 for one half-hour and 4,500 for one-hour. i countered with $100 for 1/2 hour and $150 for 1 hour. i told her i would give her a $10 tip if it was good. so, off we go...

now before i finish my story, i want to say up front that i spent way too much and i know it and after my time with her... i do not give a shit what any asshole from the sudan or niger or iran thread says about it!

now that that is off my chest, over the next hour, we had the almost if not the best gfe sex that i have ever experienced. i know... i know... i need to get out more and have new experiences so i don't blow my experiences out of proportion, but it was abso-fucking-lutely mind blowing sex!!! unfortunatly, time ran out way too early for this to be over... so, i peeled off a ben and a half and here we go again... i know... i know... flame me if you choose, but you had to be there to understand!

when it was all over, i truly felt like i had been "rode hard and put up wet" as i crawled out to the door to try to find guido. of course, after the first hour and a half he thought i'd died and good friend that he is... he went home instead of looking for a de-fib machine!

so, if i didn't say it... sl is hot! oll is very good, but sl is hot!!!

now, some tips... oll... don't do a pd, if you want sex, unless you ask if sex is included. no sex girls here, only dancers who offer sex... and then the dancers who don't.

sl... a few of the dancers will offer sex, but most will not even though they are hot and a couple of notches above oll. otoh, all of the girls sitting around and not ever dancing are available for sex! if you see a girl who attracts you, go talk to her... it doesn't cost to talk to her and if you click it could be great... or not! there are at least as many girls sitting around for sex as there are dancers so you won't feel like you're taking the bottom of the barrel.

for both places, take lots of sto ruble notes. it is almost impossible to not have a few lap dances while you scope out the girls.

bottom line... both oll and sl are great fun for an evening with one or more friends, but probably a bit of a drag if you're alone. both places offer the same thing as the "high-class" clubs but for a lot less... 5-600 ruble entry instead of $50. 100 ruble lap dance instead of 1,000!

still have to tryout shaundra but these places are a great change of pace from cf/nf and just some more examples that you will never run out of things to do in moscow.

also, there is a reasonably priced club, street, that is supposed to be good in the hotel rossiya. haven't been but will try to check it out in the next month.

update: been back several times to oll and safari... safari still stands out in my mind as the best for many reasons. however, it is very different on friday night because there are so many men there the girls are overwelmed. i suggest avoiding it on friday night.

WARNING... WARNING... IF YOU do not want to think about the bad things that can happen in this "hobby"... DO NOT READ THIS THREAD!

Went on a tochka run last night. As we picked up the car, I felt like it was going to be a long run because of all of the bad reports of tochkas lately.
However, the first line-up we pulled into they were showing off the 4,500 rubles girls. Didn't see anything worth having, so I asked for the 3.000 ruble girls. I immediately saw her... blond, slim and trim and, for those of you who know me, my favorite... innocent looking. I almost clubbed my friend and fellow CA monger, guido, so I paid my money and we make a clean get-away back to the doma. No militicia... no traffic accidents... Life is good!

Get back home, I'm in absolutely no hurry... She's thirsty? No problem. She's hungry? No problem. Ask how old... 18! PERFECT!

Finally, as she eats, I shower and then suggest that she showers. She comes out and I am in heaven!!! Just exactly what I wanted to get my juices going and to re-validate the viability of the tochka and the sexuality of the Russian female form.

As we enter the bed, I'm continually thanking my lucky stars... perfect little body... EXACTLY what I like!

First, I allowed her the priviledge of going down on me for a while before I turned her over for a massage to savor the beauty of what I have but also to perform my personal checks before proceeding.

FYI, as a routine, I always give them a massage so that I can do the mandatory "bump" check of her moist areas, of course not expecting to find anything except smooth goings. However, things felt a little rough in some places that they shouldn't have been. Then... much to my dismay... I fell something in the nether regions in passing that really felt weird! Not wanting to turn on the overhead light... I pulled out my trusty little LED flashlight that I put on most of my keyrings and while still massaging... Gave it a little spotlight action... I saw something that would make Sigourney Weaver faint and make the author's of "All You Ever Wanted to Know About Genital Warts, But Were Afraid to Ask" salivate over the future photo section addition to their second edition!

Not only was her vagina covered around the edges... Her butt cheeks and her crack was almost fused together with this huge scaly growth that looked like the precursor to cole slaw or sauerkraut . I almost dropped my little flashlight!

As I look back on this incident... It is truly amazing that I didn't literally dive right into a muff sandwich... Of course, then I would have had the surprise of my life and would not have been quite as calm about the whole thing as I pretend to be now!

It is one thing to get a little "drippy dick" and you go to the doc to get it cleared up before you head home, BUT it would be a totally different scenerio to get off of the airplane with a "califlower" strapped on to your asshole... PERMANENTLY!

Now, this is not a pleasant story and like the one that I wrote a couple of years ago when I posted about a similar, BUT VERY MINOR, incident with finding GW in another girl... it is very scary. This should be a reminder that you owe it to yourself to find out about GW and then to make some routine checks or else you could become known around the "hood" as CB.... "Califlower Butt"

Now, you've heard the story... You know the problem... You need to understand the solution...

If you are interested, please don't PM me asking for more details. I only tell this story as a Public Service. Go to [url]www.cdc.gov[/url] and click on STD and read all about GW or HPV. Then, find yourself a nice, clean vagina to play in and turn off the lights and educate your fingers, on both hands, to every square millimeter of that baby. Of course, some will feel differently but as most of you know they are generally smooth. All of a sudden if you get into a strange situation and you find one or more bumps that you don't remember... I strongly suggest taking a look at it. The little LED flashlights, which are available at any outdoors store, don't intimidate anyone and if asked you can always say that you are just admiring her beauty up close. Then, if you see something that doesn't look normal... You'd better tread VERY lightly AND make sure that none of her "wetness" touches your bare skin and especially any of your "wet" areas, including your mouth, penis or anus.

Well, let's just say you're not alone here CAT.

Or should we call you Cauliflower Traveller?

Anyway, yes, had the similar experience in Candyland with a
perfectly normal healthy,(on appearance), looking dyev.

A good fun soapy scrubby experience TOGETHER is, I know, not
always possible, but it can be very revealing.

Techniques all being modified, her strange small red-bump-
covered torso immediately caused me to be horrified and
mystified. Being a common-sewer of poor white trailer park trash,
(yes, I fall in love at least once with every trip to K-Mart), I
can admit to seeing some oddities before, but never saw this
variety of "cauli-" flora.

Of course, CaT, you left out the most interesting part of
the "Twilight Zone" girl experience. That's the conversation
that begins once you pinch yourself and realize she's not just
a bad-sushi induced nightmare, she's real. So your mind twists
and turns and you blurt out something pathetic like, " Hmmm,
what's this you have here, eh? Hmmm, maybe it might be best
if we just be friends. Hmmm, did your physician ever say anything
to you about this? Oh, you never went to clinic, well, sure, that's
all right. Maybe you go tomorrow, no?

Then other scary thoughts come into your brain, like
how many dumb toothless schmucks has she cross-polinated,
not to mention the piece of shit that did this to her in the first place.
Makes you stop and take measure that all's just not so well and
sugar sweet in what you thought was a land of candy.

One other thing CaT, you warn about don't let her wet stuff touch
your wet stuff, but you already said she was smoking your baloney
in the dark BEFORE you reached for your trusty key-chain flash light.

As I learned when I was just wee lad, from the Man in the
Motel 6 commercial, "We'll leave a light on for ya!"

CA Traveler,

молодец!

Thanks for your excellent post on Oh La La and Safari. Lap dancing is my favorite spectator sport. Sounds as if the dyefki in Moscow are much more hands on than the girls here at home.

It's ironic, but there does seem to be a sort of "political correctness" that has descended on some parts of the WSG, about who to fuck and how much to pay. I say screw 'em. You're the one who's out there doing it and has the consideration to take the time necessary to pass that info on to the rest of us. What you do with your money is nobody's business anyway.

Actually, 150 USD for an hour of sex is not that much out of line. The local h@mbres report paying 50 to 100 USD for the internet dyefki, and most of them are probably not up to the level of the club girls. So 300 for 2 hours of the time of your life is actually quite reasonable.

I'm curious about a couple things. At Safari, I assume that there are private rooms (or do you just do 'er on the bar?). How are they furnished? Also, all the conversations you had with the dyefki in the clubs, were those in English, Russian, or a combination of the two?

счастливо,

Stravinsky

strav... Safari has bedrooms available. The conversations take place in Eng/RU or something in between. I actually went back for my little blonde several times. Returned last night and decided to change flavors and chose a different blonde. There were actually so many keepers last night that I had a hard time making up my mind.

Also, guido and I went to Shandra a couple of nights ago. Very nice place. Good quality girls. Many rooms to get lost in and the pricing is the same as Safari and OLL. I liked the place and the restaurant looked like fun with all of the girls around. I still rate SL as the best, but Shandra seemed better than OLL.

Hi All,
Although the forum has been up and down lately, I want to let every one know of a pending change in my situation in Moscow...

Over the past few months, I've been dealing with some problems with the health of one of my family members back in CA. So last month, I made a decision that it would be impossible for me to continue operating my business here in Moscow. So, I decided that the best thing would be to sell it with the hope that it would continue in its present state and continue to grow and still provide a service to all of my friends and fellow mongers.

SO, I'm making this post for two reasons... One to let everyone know the situation at one time so I don't have to rehash the situtation several hundred times over the next year.

Secondly, and most importantly, to thank all of you who have supported me and my efforts over the past year. I've had a ball partying with all of you and those memories and friendships are the most important things that I take away from this experience.

Although I'm headed to Paris tomorrow for a few days exploring the sex clubs with guido, I'll be in Moscow until early March. If anyone is around, and we can get on the board, let me know via PM and maybe we can hook up for some Moscow 'xplorin'.

[QUOTE=CA Traveler]WARNING... WARNING... IF YOU do not want to think about the bad things that can happen in this "hobby"... DO NOT READ THIS THREAD!

(bulk of messaged deleted..)[/QUOTE]Sounds like a combo of HPV and HSV. Genital warts and herpes.

Not too bum you out too much, but both of which can also be found in her oral cavity - I hope you have a dental mirror to go along with your pen light.

And not too bum anyone out too much in general, but if you engage in unprotected sex with girls who often engage in unprotected sex with multiple partners (prostitutes), including BBBJ's your chances of have either or both (possibly with no outward symptoms) is a lot higher then you would hope to think.

The only safe sex is no sex. After that is just varying degrees of risk. If you think we are engaging in a low risk hobby you are just kidding yourself.

Pity to hear about you leaving CAT. Hope all works out for you in CA. Somehow I think you are going to miss it all before too long. Keep in touch.

As for strip clubs, I checked out Oh La La and Shandra in December and Shandra won hands down. My buddy had the same 2500 ripoff at OLL as you mate, and the standard of girls and the friendliness of them was not comparible. OLL is no longer on my approved list. I should have notified you boys. Apologies.

Shandra on the other hand was super. More girls. Better girls. Happier girls. Same 100 ruble dances. I had a blowjob and titfuck, 40 mins for 1500, while my buddy paid 2500 for the best pro poke he says he has ever had, from an 18 year old siberian wench.

Just some new things on Moscow.

See the pictures, in pictures section, Julia is the tall blonde, and Alisa (Diana) is the brown petite.

You will find she at [url]www.intimcity.ru[/url], whic is not a bad site at all.

In such a big city I’m always a little bit afraid for tochas. So last time I went I had some free time, and decided some partying with my friend Diana, now called Alisa.
In the morning we decided that she would be at my hotel (I live in the outskirts so when doing my “business” I do not meet anybody I know in the lobby) at 9 pm with her friend Julia, and they will stay up to 11-12 am next day.

So the total “damage” was around 11.000 roubles, including:

Taxi for girls;

Bribe they were officially registered, I prefer always so on ground I have so many valuables with me;

Food (with good lamb splits) and drink (red wine and vodka also) for three in the room by my favourite Georgian friend (owning a bar in the hotel);

Unlimited fucking (covered) in any hole;

Unlimited real lesbian show (getting wet with hard clito!).

Of course the girls are not 10’s, they are 6’s in my graduation, but very willing, I think they are worth the money. The best was two different chapters, one before dinner and one in the morning.

First approximately one hour of real lesbian show, with two erected clitos a dildo entering in every hole (they are living together…) and then a turnaround fuck, while I was anally shafting Alisa (Diana) in an unusual way: staying still, she in doggy shafting herself, and… my balls in Julias mouth… MMMMMM. Like paradise.

The other good moment was in the morning, as usual I sleep very little and get up early, so the girls where still sleeping. So I wake up them, the objective was Julia’s tight rear entrance.

Diana was licking her clito.. se was all wet and I started fucking her missionary, wile Diana was kissing me with pussy taste in the mouth, I just realized… I lifted up Julias legs well over my shoulders. I was rock hard. And just shafted her right to the bottom of the cock. Diana was leafing and I could se pain and also some pleasure on Julias face, deeply anal pounded!

Next time I told the I will bring some toys… anal plugs, strapons, etc. Perhaps making new pictures.

I must say that sitting in a comfortable armchair eating good food (I had some caviar and vodka in the fridge) and looking two girls making love on your own bed is one of the best I know. Because you area aware that you can just jump in the situation when you like! Perhaps next time I will get a third girl for a BBBJ while looking, but in that case it must be with CIM or COF and eventually swallowing.

I managed to come, I suppose, eight times (with help of two Viagra 50 mg) from 9 pm to 12 am was the final timing issue. I had to rest next day!

Anything/everything is possible at Shandra. To be honest I prefer to have fun at Shandra. It might be a little bit expensive than others but definetly full horny model taype babes.

1 round sex and erotic dancing is the deal for the rpivate rooms. It is almost impossible to leave the private room without sex.

Rule number one always talk with the girl, ask her what will be included.
Rule number two make sure she understands what you want.

1 hour private room $70, 1 hour time of girl w. 2 rounds of sex and erotic dancing $200.

My buddies and I spent couple of hours at the private room and at the end of the night we went to our place with the girls. We were at the big room 3 guys and 5 girls, in total it cost us $4000.

As long as you have enough green($$) everything is at your service.

But I don't adivce you to eat at Shandra, prices are too high and food is OK; but dinner at NF and a little chill out at the bar is a must see in Moscow.

I will be in Moscow for the weekend(it's just 2,50 hours flight from İstanbul) to visit friends and chill out at NF.

Moscow is an open city full of oppotunities and bad surprises. You always have to watch yourself.

Have fun-be safe.

AJ

love it or hate it, chesterfields (or as it is commonly known cf, chester or doug and marty's boar house) is a moscow mecca, or an icon, or even an eyesore... but most usually just a black hole. a black hole that sucks in expats of all national origins races and colors, for better or worse...

i have developed a sort of indifference to cf. the rumours that it may be razed to make way for a casino do not worry me too much. as if that is just what moscow needed.. another fucking casino. lets petition luzhkov. what moscow needs is more *****s, better-looking and better-priced ones... and most of all, more places to pick them up. but who is listening to me anyway?

given my indifference however, i should really like that place more than i do. i have had some great pro experiences there... mixed in with several average ones... but rarely could i actually complain about what i got. and when i did get something unsatisfactory, it was usually modf. my own damn fault.

sure there are the price issues… you actually have to talk the girls down to $100 now… even 18 months ago it was the standard price, no questions asked. now it seems $150 is a more realistic price… which is still better than paying $150 for the trash the tochkas have largely reduced themselves to, but makes you wonder if choosing something tastier from the internet for the same price or less might be the better option… or maybe adding $50 and shelling out $200 at night flight for something at least superficially more upscale… not to mention the $200+ yet delicious and highly reputed shandra, safari lodge and oh la la options. big bro ajs $4000 5 babe sex a thon? that’s what its all about, but beyond what i am willing to pay. does conjure up images of supreme debauchery though… way to go man!

but cf does have its charms on occasional odd nights. aside from the pros, i've even taken home numerous normal girls from there, some of remarkable quality. it is a simple technique. if she looks too cute, nice and innocent to be there, then she really is in the wrong place. and i rescue her from herself.

but on this weekend i wasn’t interested in paying for women or making an effort to pick up a freebie… i just wanted to watch the super bowl. little did i know at the time, but cf would decide to toy with me on this sunday and in doing so, set me off on an adventurous 48 hour roller coaster ride through the space and time continium which i still have yet to truly understand or fathom.

it began on super bowl sunday, that day in which the american football championship is
held. of course it is every american's patriotic duty to watch the super bowl, even if one doesn’t like sports. i do like sports and love the super bowl... even though when watching it in europe one has to stay up impossibly late... in this case kick off was at 02:30am.
so sometime shortly after midnight i made my way to chesterfields. actually i had watched the super bowl at chesterfields last year too... and also had a weird experience. i am already booking my sunday there for next year.

still, before people come to party at cf on super bowl sunday, i must warn you. chesterfields on super bowl sunday sucks. it really does. there is low ***** turn out because they know the only people there on this night are going to be americans who actually stay up to watch this overly-hyped and hopelessly long game, clueless unfortunate europeans who didnt know that this sunday was somehow cursed and the usual motely crue of idiots sans frontiers house clowns… if you’ve been to cf more than twice you’ll recognize them. they are fun to watch the first few times… but after you’ve been there a few times over the course of a year you realize that they are always there and you wonder if moscow state u has some sort of dorm complex in the back for wayward students and unemployed foreigners without enough money to fly home.

anyway, i arrive and the club is half dead. thankfully ca_t is there, even though he is already half way out the door and strongly considering heading off to greener pastures, namely his new favorite haunt safari lodge. we talk shop over something that remarkably actually resembles american bar food and he springs the shocking news that he is goin' back to cali.

wish him all the best and his family health. what he has meant to this forum is known to all and i value his friendship, wisdom and advice.

on this night he is not all that interested in watching the super bowl, and he threatens to leave... but thankfully a few surprisingly decent non-pro girls did trickle in and the spirit of super bowl sunday induced him to stick around.

at this point i am actually quite drained from a marathon st.pete adventure during the previous 4 days with roger mellie in which we redefined clubbing to an art form.. and nearly destroyed our bodies in the process. our livers have been reportedly found behind the speakers at magrib. must have left them there when they ceased to function.

so i have decided to take it easy in moscow on this sunday. ha ha. the game didnt start until 02:30 in the morning, so we waited and danced a bit and drank a bit and talked shop. ca_t was raving about the strip clubs, so much so that i decided to put them back on my to do list after a long hiatus.

returning from the dance floor after a brief and largely uninspired dance, i pick up my beer, a stary milnik from tap, and notice the foam looks funny. kind of yellow on the top instead of white. i think it is probably just the bad light in the club and drink the beer anyway. a poor decision. about 20 minutes later i feel like the life has been drained out of me. like a vampire had sucked out my will to live. i can barely stand, my arms are heavy and my legs are weak. i can almost not speak... i slur my speech and suddenly look really drunk, even though i only had a beer or three. i go up to a girl i am interested in and mumble "mmmfga jksig nnnmmm". she looks at me like i am from another planet, one that she never cares to visit. i realize that i am shot. i go to ca_t and tell him that i am really "wasted" and tired and must go home immediately. the look on his face is one of shock. sure he has seen me drunk before... even really wasted... but never this bad. i assume it is the exhaustion from st.pete combined with a few drinks and tell him that i have to go home. i am wrong with my diagnosis.

so i stumble out to the taxi driver and tell him to take me home. my brain is no longer working correctly. i dont know how i told him where to go, but somehow we are headed the right way on the garden ring. when we get reasonably close to my apartment i suddenly tell him to stop in let me out. i have become paranoid. i dont want him to know where i live or put myself in a situation where he could try to to force himself into my apartment. i am beginning to realize that something is very wrong, very abnormal. this isn’t simple drunkeness. i get out, paying him 150 rubles. unfortunately my dysfunctional brain made me get out at the wrong location. same general area as my apartment but about 20 minutes by foot from my apartment... and it is about -20 outside. i am slowly freezing to death, but dont feel anything of course. i am linkin park numb. had i passed out there and gone to sleep in this weather i certainly would have gotten frost bite at best, at worst frozen to death or been mugged. or if i was lucky, been picked up by the militia and sent into the holding tank with the vodka *****s and the bomzhi. would make for an interesting short story but a disturbing prospect in retrospect.

but i am still functioning somewhat, albeit like a robot. i somehow make it home, taking backstreets to avoid the militia, whom i dont want to meet in this condition. at this hour anybody walking alone along the street will be questioned by the militia.

somehow i get in the apartment, how did i remember the door entry code? at home, i collapse fully clothed on to my bed and sleep very very deeply. comatose without the tubes.

i awake the next day at 11. luckily for me, i was clever enough to schedule my first biz appointment at 1 pm. i quickly don my hugo boss suit and attempt to polish my shoes, pausing ever few seconds to collect myself. i am seriously fucked up. unfortunately my destination is himki, that remote and hopeless suburb of moscow, the one you pass on the way into town from sheremetyevo.. but somehow i make it out there. i meet the customer. we discuss business. i pull myself together as best possible. amazingly enough, the meeting goes well, even though i am like a zombie. to this day, i still dont know what we discussed or how i got to the appointment. i dont know how i got back or what i did that afternoon. follow up emails confirmed that the meeting was a success, but i must have been on autopilot because i don’t remember a fucking thing. not even what the guy looked like.

that evening i met another business partner, a friend of mine, and had dinner. i dont remember where we ate, what i ate, how i got there or how i got back. i have no idea what we talked about. it is gone. the memory erased.

little pieces of what occurred are coming back slowly with time, but only very slowly.

no, it wasn’t simple drunkenness the night before.

i piece together the puzzle a bit and realize what has happened. somebody had drugged me, slipped me a mickey. somebody put a strong narcotic into my beer.. maybe some leftover nerve gas from the nord-ost hostage "rescue"? why they did it i dont know. i assume it was to rob me, or maybe done out of spite or maybe some creep had drugged the wrong beer and had instead hoped to drag a helpless unconscious girl home. who knows. not me.

that night, i go to meet shos at cf. i feel recovered, but obviously am not. at first the club security doesnt want to let me in, saying that i am drunk. club security at cf is out of control. totally goonish, they have the “security fee” racket in hand. either nothing can be done about it, or nothing is being done about it. but it seems to have stuck. so add 500 rubles to any price the pros quote you. fucking sucks. anyway, the goons are off target. i havent had anything to drink yet... i just look strangely distant. the iwo jima 1000 yard stare. they let me in after i produce my passport and start making some sense. inside we drink and dance. my good friend shos looks at me and realizes something is wrong. i tell him and my other friends there the story of my drugging, everybody is in shock. the drugging of expats is an occasional occurrence, but very rare. or so i thought.

i notice that i still am not functioning correctly. my eyes look like zombie eyes. the drug is still affecting me. shos will have to remind me of what we did that night, because i simply dont remember most of it. did we go to paris life and then return to cf? no idea. hit another club? i don’t know. but somehow we did end up at cf in the end and we started chatting up two girls. one of them reminded me of the girl i wanted to fuck in high school but never did, so i move on her. speaks only russian. good, i wanted to practice my russian anyway. that is all i remember about that night. don’t remember going home, don’t remember any details about anything.

the next morning i wake up in bed with the two girls from cf. i dont know their names. i really dont know how i got there or how and why i ended up with them. i look around the room. mtv rossia is still on the television. condom packages on the floor. an empty bottle of soviet champagne is next to the television. there are some glasses with juice lying next to the bed. what the fuck happened that night? i wish i knew, because it looks like i had a lot of fun!

it is about 11 am. i prop myself up and look in somewhat amused amazement at the two nude snoring “princesses” lying next to me. supple young bodies and undeniably cetf, but still i want to kick the girls out and attempt to resurrect myself and the day… but i cant find the key to the apartment. i must have hidden it somewhere in a paranoid measure to make it difficult for the girls to steal something from me or maybe john bobbit my cock and throw it out the window. i underestimated the girls again. if they wanted to, they could have. my cock is still attached and thanks to the fucking cialis i took, it would jump to attention if i even so much as thought about sex. i was a corpse, nothing more….nothing less. but still a sexually potent one.

somehow this fucking “date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]” drug, even after more than 24 hours, is still affecting me. making me both a bit paranoid and slow thinking but somehow fantastically wild. i finally and inexplicably find the key in a worn adidas shoe and kick the girls out, giving them 100 rubles for cigarettes. they’ll buy parliament…all tramps do. they were actually quite nice girls and not true tramps, at least cute and young, but i really dont want to see them now. we exchange phone numbers and i enter them into my nokia phone as girl1 and girl2 since i dont know their names and am too embarassed to ask. i remember one was from latvia, but that is all i know. i forgot their ages as well, but i assume they were about 18.

i shower and change clothes and briefly meet my only true current gf… katya… at stereo cafe, one of my favorite places. i send katya away after about 1 hour, since i am supposed to meet another girl i met on the internet in a few minutes. i dont know why i want to meet this new girl, but i do anyway. she seemed really interested in meeting me. i am still totally out of it... not functioning normally.

i meet the girl, olessia, at mcdonalds and lacking another idea, i take her back to my apartment. it is a brilliant move. we all know that all that really matters in seducing women is getting them back to your apartment. every russian girl knows that once she goes back to your apartment, she has unofficially agreed to fuck you. ok, it doesn’t always work out that way… but almost always.

olessia looks better than her icq photo… young and thin, with green slightly oriental eyes. vaguely penelope cruz-esque without the odd ugliness, she exudes an unexplored sexual nature.

she seems nervous. she is 18. we go to my kitchen and i offer her a drink. she doesnt want one. i do. baileys. fucking standard chick drink that every fridge should stock, but its all i have and it tastes good.

we talk. i am very nice to her. calm. even though i know she is interested i am not aggressive and not pushing the issue. not attempting to weave any web of innocent deceit and half-truths. i even tell her to be careful with foreign men, even men like me, to not fall in love with them just because they are initially interesting. i tell her to not to fall in love with me because i will just go away all the time and it is impossible for a foreigner, young and with a bit of money, to have just one girlfriend in moscow. even though it isnt entirely true (i once did have a serious girlfriend in moscow and i was faithful to her because she gave me everything i needed and more)... i still tell her this, because it is true 95% of the time. she seems impressed by my honesty, yet seems very naive. i am doing my best to keep her from being interested in me. it is an odd situation, as normally i would just jump on her. she is cute and 18. that usually works for me.

she then says "i must warn you, i am a virgin". i am not surprised, she seems so uncertain. i hold her hand a bit and after a short while i see that she really wants me so we begin to kiss... at least i think we did. i dont remember much really. but i do remember that a short time later she asks if i have a condom.

at this point i seem to understand her... like she is on a mission to lose her virginity. i have only "known" her for 1 hour. of course i am not going to disappoint her and traumatize her with rejection... and of course i think if some one must do it, then it should be me since i will try to do a good job... :)

so we do it. she struggles and her inexperience is evident (she confessed that she had only ever kissed a boy once), but remarkably the "event" is very nice, very sweet and she seems to enjoy it and be happy with it. no orgasm on her part, but that will come with time. do girls ever orgasm the first time? that must be the ultimate male achievement, to bring a virgin to orgasm. but it didn’t happen this day. she was a bit cautious, conservative and scared of course, but i’ll continue my instruction at a later date. she’ll come around. she has a lot to learn and i love to teach. she’s my new project.

circumstance restricts me from another lesson though. within about an hour i must send her home. another date is due to arrive.

i quickly clean the apartment a bit and oksana arrives.

oksana is a girl i met some time ago, but with whom i didn’t expect much continuation as she has a dutch boyfriend with whom she is supposedly serious. when we met, we made out like bandits and groped each other and danced like brazilians at carneval… but on that initial encounter her friends watched us like hawks and kept “reminding” me and her that she has a boyfriend.

nonetheless, i maintained contact and our attraction was really too strong to be denied.

oksana is a different creature when she is alone and says she wants me as a lover even though she has a boyfriend. i want her in theory but by this time i am absolutely drained sexually. i really wonder if i can muster up the strength to "service" oksana but i know i can't say no and send her away sans sex at this point, because if i do i may never get the chance again to enter such an ideal relationship... cute and sexy girl who has boyfriend and doesnt want to have a relationship but does want sex... and lots of it. i dawns on me that i am out of c. thankfully she has a great body, with very nice tits and a great figure… and her attitude is perfect she calls herself my "naughty girl" and likes me to treat her like... a naughty girl. lots of slapping and debauchery. it really is ideal. exactly what i adore. so i have to do it, and do. we fuck and it takes forever, but i finally finish.

shortly thereafter, i send her home and i have a few minutes to reflect on who i am and where i am. i really am not sure.

i still really am like a robot or a zombie or a banshee or something because i am not really controlling myself... but admittedly i am having a wonderful time... even though i "forgot" to go to work or have meetings on this glorious tuesday..

about 2 hours later, i try to kill the drug by drowning it in alcohol. unsuccessfully.

that night, i go out again with shos again and we hit 5 or 6 clubs. on a tuesday night. papa johns, parizhskaya zhizn, cf, nf and some others… i don’t remember much. but i do remember that i am not interested in meeting girls because quite frankly i have tortured my "tool" with too much sex and it hurts... :)

we party all night and have many adventures... a few images remain… the hopelessness of papa johns (latin and spanish guys, tuesday at pj is your market! girls want to samba! go there! but the rest of us can forget it!)., the joy in talking nf *****s down to $150 and then dumping them there at the bar, arguing with pathetic yet significantly problematic feis control goons, the defeat in going home alone… it is all good and a part of moscow, that fucking horribly wonderful town… but come morning… alas… my adventure ends...

so if you are in cf, do keep a good eye on your beer… you’d probably like to avoid getting drugged. although in retrospect, it really didn’t turn out that bad for me after all…

moscow is a overpriced megapolis. but still some kind of paradise.

doc,

sounds like you had some fun! i just hope for your sake that you don't end up with acid flashbacks of those bits that you don't remember. visions of being raped by some ex-soviet shot-putter, with more facial hair than santa and a clit bigger than your dick could prove to be traumatising for your mental state. :)

truth be told though, women have been known to use rohypnol to rob male suitors. in fact there was a lady convicted of this offense in london about a month ago. the fact that you had a friend there in the guise of ca t, probably helped you. you have probably learnt the hard way that you should always buy bottled beer and keep an eye on it at all times.

the fact is not all dyevs are interested in going back to your place for a baily's and a night of passion with casonova. it pays to be careful where-ever you are in the world!

lud... i think you're right... i think doc was being set up and if he had left alone it would not have been a happy experience. my only regret was that i only put him in a taxi and didn't go with him. i can just imagine him sleeping on the ice in the gutter and being a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] pad for the strays... both man and beast... wandering the neighborhood!

Sorry to hear about your CF experiences Doctor_Skank. I have had similar a year or so ago.

This girl had targeted me, once I was drunk she offered to go home with me, drugged me (knocked out in a second) in my drink at home, stole passport, money etc. The next morning woke up with thick phlegm running from my teeth to my stomach - undoubtedly drugged. Like D_S I now hide my key (and sometimes forget where it is when I sober up.. doh!)

This was from Karma bar however, although I have heard the same of CF from numerous people.

I won't negate CF here as this could happen in many places in Moscow. Just be careful guys.

On a more positive note, Paris Life was packed last weekend with plenty of available chicks. They kept hitting on me like the hits just kept on rollin'

I've been here for a few years now, nothing surprises me anymore.

ca_t and ludovico:

i really can't say if i was being set up or whatever as obviously i was totally out of it. i dont rule out the possibility that somebody drugged me simply for the fun of it or out of spite. maybe somebody doesn't like me at cf... imagine that. :)

if i was being set up, certainly nobody made much of an effort to go home with me... i did go home alone on that night. also the girls i spoke to on that night were definitely not interested in me after i went from wanna-be casanova to slurred speech barney gumble in a matter of 20 minutes. they really did look at me like i was some sort of leper patient. so i wasnt being set up by them... maybe there was someone else lurking waiting to move in? or perhaps ca_t's presence prevented them from making their move?

i suggest i would have still wanted to go home alone even if someone approached me (i felt that fucked up and was absolutely not interested in romance...just sleep) but considering my condition, there is no way i could accurately predict what my reaction would have been. nor anyway to predict what sort of statistic i might have become had i indeed been "taken for a ride". murder, robbery, frozen to death or just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]? (oh no, not again...)

in any case, another thing to watch out for in moscow.... but even though i drink bottled corona 90% of the time, they still wont stop me from drinking beer from the tap if i choose... i'll continue to do whatever i feel like and am not going to really alter my habits. just be more observant of what's going on.

have you guys identified any other scams in the clubs?

please tell me if you have.

will be in moscow next week and will see if i cant fall victim to another scam. the last one worked out really well for me... 4 freebies in 24 hours and didnt even have to take a single one of them out to dinner... :)

seriously though, have you observed or heard of any other scams to watch out for?

I know of a germn guy that went to prague alone and went to a bar and then woke up on a bench with no wallet or id card. So it does happen but i also know lots of people that have been to the easern countries and had no issues so i wont be changeing my habits either. just hope my luck holds out and monger in packs when possiable and when not i will still brave it alone.

rd

Dr. Skank,

I am relating this scam here even though it took place in Thailand - I am sure though it could happen in anywhere in the world.

There is a bar next to the classroom a go-go that I spent a fair amount of time at and being the good mannered farang that I am, would buy drinks for myself and the girls.

One night I just did not feel like finishing my beer and so left it on the bar.One of the girls came and took the beer but did not pour the remains into the sink but took the beer and started pouring the remains of another beer into the bottle that I had not finished and then put a cap on it.

I thought to myself wtf is this that I might have been drinking someone elses beer.Who knows what other shit may have been put into the drink. To make matters worse the mamsan did not even blink an eyelid, even though this was done in full view. Even after eyeballing her hard she carried on as if there was nothing untoward going on.

I almost puked to think that I might have been drinking tainted beer.

Not being the one to make a scene and being in a foreign country, I got up and left.

Needless to say that I never ever went back, and I had been a very good patron.I spent a good few thousand baht on the girls but I guess as they say shit happens.

I still think one should watch your drink like a hawk anyway and in some places more than others.

Doc Skank you are very lucky that nothing worse happened to you.....

Take care of yourself out there.

Buzz

I love the eastern european, russian, czech, and german look, so I am thinking of going to either Russia, Czech or Germany. I truly love blondes or 18 to 21 year olds and love to eat pie.

Which country is easiest to find the hottest and freshest talent? I only have about $2000-$3000 to spend (not including air fare since I have mileage)?

I love the eastern european, russian, czech, and german look, so I am thinking of going to either Russia, Czech or Germany. I truly love blondes or 18 to 21 year olds and love to eat pie.

From your experiences, which country is easiest to find the hottest and freshest talent? I only have about $2000-$3000 to spend (not including air fare since I have mileage)?

Snowman: If for nothing else at all but the sheer number of girls, your answer is without a doubt Russia.

Doc: Thank you for sharing your experience. It takes courage to come forward with stories like this, but I'm glad at the end of the day you are still alive, you stil have all your 21(!!) fingers including the most important one, and sounds like you ended up having lots of fun anyway.

If you haven't already read this part of WSG, you may find [url=http://www.*************.info/forum/showpost.php?p=156169&postcount=625][red] this story[/red][/url] interesting. It happened to a truly veteran monger, who happens to be housemates with Jackson at the time being. It just goes to show how easily all of us may fall victim to similar circumstances.

Again, Thanks for sharing.

Snowman66,

With the budget you have Kiev might be your best bet. It is about 1/2 the cost of Moscow well at least 1/3 cheaper. Many of the Moscow girls I had came from the Ukraine and I really enjoyed Kiev. If you want more info pm me.

JDI

If what you're looking for is the optimum combination of best quality and cheapest prices, Lefkose(Northern Cyprus) and Istanbul are the best choices with the enormous variety of all EE girls.

On the other hand, for a limited variety but still cheapest prices and wide opportunities of freebies, Minsk and Tiraspol seem to be the best options.

Can anyone recommend a good street map of Moscow?

I'm talking about the printed kind, not an online version. I would like to find one that is big enough to show the whole city at a glance, but small enough to fold up and carry around in your pocket.

I've been searching the internet and can't find anything. There are plenty of websites, but nothing published. I know there are maps in the guidebooks, but they are broken up into 15 or 20 pages and it's difficult to get a sense of the entire city.

Cyrillic would be preferable, since it's actually easier to read, instead of having to pronounce all those silly phonetic trasliterations.

Any suggestions would be appreciated.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Just following up on what Vegamars had to say. Here are my two cents. Today, just about $700 will get you anywhere from one place of the world to another on a consolidated airline ticket. Then you want to find a beautiful girl and if she is not a freebie, at least somone that does not cost more than $300 for the whole night. From what I have been reading in these posts, the $300 girls from Nighflight stay generally around 3-4 hours, unless you can speak RUssian and they like you. That comes to about $100 an hour. The only other place in the world I have seen beautiful women for that prices is in Montreal where the exchange rate brings the prices down to $100 Canadian dollar. Another advantage of Montreal is the lower incidence of HIV and the fact that English is spoken.

Russia wins hands down if I you include beautiful women on [url]www.redclub.ru[/url] and zna.ru. The problem is that it seems you need to learn how to read and speak Russian well and although there are some posts about these sites, there are not that many. And the tochkas seem to be an experience that everyon should have. It reminds me of Doestoevsky's Notes from the Underground when he goes prowling through the streets of St. Petersburg.

That guy something Ranger that boasted about meeting all these women in the countryside never posted how he met them, unless I missed his posts (I apologize).

It's quite as expected to see the high prices in Moscow as it's one of the most expensive cities in the world.

What's more, the most decisive factor is the unconscious flow of foreign guys to the city, skyrocketing the prices..

Just to give a little comparison, it's quite possible to go for an allnighter for 75-100 bucks in locations like Lefkose, Istanbul, Minsk and Tiraspol for best quality if you're conscious enough...

Besides, the opportunity for freebies is always there as a potential to be initiated.. especially in Minsk, Tiraspol, Kiev, Lugansk, Ekaterinburg and Novosibirsk.

I'm kind of curious about the effects of the higher male mortality rate in Russia. Is this phenomenon noticeable and does it affect relationships? Do Russian women complain about the "lack of men"? Is the ratio of men to women pretty even in public places - restaurants, bars, etc - or not?

Doctor_Skank:

You have an amazing writing style! I want to learn to write like you. What should I do?

one of the little pocket atlases is what I always use. They are tiny (much more compact than a folded map) ... most places have them, but I know the famous Bookshop on Tverskaya near the Yuri Dolgoruki statue has them

Unfortunately I had no choice but booking a room at Rossija Hotel for my next trip in 2 weeks, due to the chronic overbooking condition that eternally afflicts the Moscow hotel world.

Is anybody aware of the degree of "guest friendliness" current at that hotel? Will I have any chance to get ladies in? I will be accomodated in the refurbished western area, that seems to be of higher level than the rest of the big monster.

Any information will be worth of the top of my gratitude ...

RM - Thanks for the info. I'm sure there will be all kinds of maps available, once I get there. I was hoping to find something that I could obtain here in the U.S. to use in planning my trip.

MT - I put that same question about the Rossiya to the board a while back and the response was not hopeful. You would have to get past the security goons at the elevators and then the dyezhoornayas on each floor.

Stravinsky

Women's day is very important in Russia. Women like and expect to have gifts and especially flowers. As you know Monday and Tuesday will be holiday; young and old, beauty and nice(OK?), rich and poor, all Russian women want flowers, they love flowers.

I wish I will be in Moscow in next 5 days, but I have to wait 2 more weeks. Anyway, flowers amd small gifts are the real ice breakers for the EE girls.

Couplof tips for the newcomers, please read our(Cat,Doc,Vega,RM) previous reports you will get all the info you need.

Moscow is a sin city, NO is not an answer, you may get anything you want. But you have to watch yourself. Never ever walk around like a tourist(even you are one). DO not look at the maps and metro plans too long, you will become hunts for the hunters.

I will be in Moscow on March 19 and 20, just for the weekend. We're gone have party at NF and Shandra. If you want to join us, PM me. We're gone have fun.

[QUOTE=MagicTouch]Unfortunately I had no choice but booking a room at Rossija Hotel for my next trip in 2 weeks, due to the chronic overbooking condition that eternally afflicts the Moscow hotel world.

Is anybody aware of the degree of "guest friendliness" current at that hotel? Will I have any chance to get ladies in? I will be accomodated in the refurbished western area, that seems to be of higher level than the rest of the big monster.

Any information will be worth of the top of my gratitude ...[/QUOTE]MT,

The security men won't let someone enter without a hotel card. Maybe if you give her the card of someone else (for example you may have lost your card and ask another one) or give a tip (but I am not sure at all that it would work), or simply if she books one night (less than $100 I think), but it would be suspicious at 2am ;-)
The western area is renovated with a nice view on the Kremlin.

In the evening someone can phone in your room and propose a girl. Or they can even knock at your door. The regular girls of the hotel are not good looking and not really cheap ($100 / hour but you can bargain). Maybe you can phone the reception and ask for a massage with a beautiful girl.

Another option is the massage salon (east area), so you can see the girl and decide if you want just massage or more.

You can also visit salons in the city (I haven't done that and I regret it)

Have a good time MT.

Having been a long time resident of the NE US I've been to Montreal about 50-60 times. With it's large open gay population, drug culture and very open prostitution what makes you think the HIV rate is lower in Montreal?

Are you basing this on anything factual or on Russia being an EE country therefore the HIV rate must be higher there?

Oh yeah, minus two points in general for throwing in an opinion on some place you've never been.



[QUOTE=Guy #2] Another advantage of Montreal is the lower incidence of HIV and the fact that English is spoken.
[/QUOTE]

Yes of course, well, whatever.

Here's 2 more things that start with an M.

Marina and her mammaries.

MagicTouch,

The Rossia Hotel generally speaking can also be intresting. As you perhaps know all "soviet" standard hotel have very different types of rooms (with price diffrence) from ugly and dirty to nice junior suites completly renovated with cable TV, bar, hot water dispenser for tea, Internet plugs and so on.

On "guest" level they usually have the same standard.

No problem of doing whatever with hotel PRO. Normaly the worst you can find on the market at incredible rates 50-100 USD/hour!

If you bring guest from outside before 11.00 PM they can get to your room by registering their documents, after 11.00 you will get a call, or most probabily a visit from the secutity staff (theoretically the room should change price, for double occupancy in that case, and it should not be allowed) but normally a 500 or a 1.000 rouble note, will in most cases solve any problem.

If you get in later, do not try to smuggle in the girls, go directly to the security staff at the elevators... try to speak gently and with discretion handle over a note or let it do by the girl (same amount) in a fair and not so evident way. The worst thing that can happen is that he refuses (very very seldom I must say).

The problem is that you have to get a girl with Passport (Russian), usually tocka ones do not have. The registration is a guarantee for you also so the will not rob any thing from your room.

So for this kind of hotels the best choiches are to seek for freebies of internet catalogues.

Please avoid lobby girls.

MT
according to my little knowledge of Moscow I would never stay in the Rossija hotel again.

Only way to get a girl in, is to register her on the main desk where usally young beauties are working.
If you have no problem with that work of shame and the cost for an additional room, it could work.

As I use to have a lot of friends in the big M. this fucking place and all other hotels are not working for me, I need a place where I'm able to invite my friends for a drink and also a afternoon date.........

The best in Rossija is a very close friends od mine........, XXXX The barkeeper

Best deal for hotel travellers is still BUDAPEST hotel..............

I will be going to Moscow for a week in late March (28th) until early April. My host recommended the Moscow Marriott Tverskaya Hotel. Does anyone have any experience with this hotel? Can I bring "guests" to my room? Is there a better choice that is a fairly nice business hotel?

This is my first trip to Russia, I speak no Russian and am not sure how much I will be able to get away from my "hosts". Is there any action close to the Marriott? How many problems am I going to run into?

Thanks for your help.

N

N53

there is no problem getting additional guests in any Marriot hotel in Moscow.
Only problem perhaps the famous walk of shame .........

My recomendation is the BUDAPEST hotel. Is just some footsteps away from Karma bar, Paris life and many restaurants and pups around there.

[url]http://www.hotel-budapest.ru/eng/rooms.html[/url]

For the money you spend for a single room in Marriot you can have a suite in Budapest!

Shos

Moscow gets the Olympic delegation March 14-17, so I expect there wont be a lot of tochkas open during and in the leadup to those dates

Recently I was on icq and a girl contacted me. We started chatting. I've been using icq to improve my Russian, however she wanted to write in English. I didnt mind chatting in English though and thought it might be fun to flirt with her.

Anyway, the converstion was interesting as essentially we wrote about sex, her desire to get diamonds from guys in return for submissive, dirty sex. I liked the sound of it, except for the diamonds part. Any girl who starts a conversation with "will you buy me diamonds?" has already lost in my book, even if I am sure she would have settled for perfume or cash in lieu of the diamonds. But I played the part just to gain some info from her. My curiousity was genuine... I thought her blatant nature was, although not endearing, at least respectable. At some point she talked about cash, saying she wanted $150. I told she'd get $0 as I dont pay for sex. :)

Well we know I do occassionally, but she didnt have to know this... I then wrote that I merely treat girls nice and buy them presents or take them on holiday with me and that it was my choice if a girl deserved such treatment.

She seemed willing to accept this challenge and we agreed that she'd call me Sunday (my arrival day in Moscow) and decide where to meet.

Already at this point I had decided not to meet her... not because I wasnt interested in raunchy, dirty sex, but rather because I had enough girls to choose from in Moscow and the last thing I need was another girl... especially one that was obviously greedy and interested in expensive gifts. If I want a pro I prefer to go to a place where I can select one, rather than just hook up with a mystery girl from icq.

Even as she slept, late that Saturday night I wrote her an icq message telling her we couldnt meet on Sunday due to my work.

About one week later I had returned home and checked my icq again. During the week she hadnt called me or attempted to contact me, but upon my return home I noticed that she had written me on icq saying that "it was a good thing we didnt meet, as she had since gone to the doctor and received a bad result" and that "she was doomed."

I have been since writing her fairly regularly and it is apparent that she has AIDS. She doesn't know where she got it and said it was "impossible to know". I asked her where she met guys and she said "clubs and internet". I have yet to find out which clubs. She wouldnt say if she prostituted herself but I am sure she was an opportunist in this regard. I also dont yet know who her main clientel was.

I think the story speaks for itself, so be careful out there.

I get checked regularly and am clean and have a strict condom policy with pros. Nonetheless, it is out there... just as it is out there everywhere.

So be careful.

As to the girl, I know little about her except that she is about 1,60 and 58kg and that she speaks decent English... which also suggests regular contact with foreigners, i.e. is a pro or freelancer.

Dont know her name. Feel really sorry for her. Obviously some guy, whether knowingly or unknowingly, infected her.

I've been using icq for almost 10 years now, and it has always been a good way to get 2 or 3 easy dates. I think we discussed it on here a long time ago -- when I hit Moscow, I like to take a few girls out legitimately, some coffee, a dinner, a movie. Usually on the 2nd or at most 3rd date you are banging her brains out either in her flat or yours. If you stay at a nice hotel, I've been surprised how many will meet you in the hotel lobby to see the place. So don't be afraid to seduce a few that way.

Also, some of the easier lays are woman from 28 and up... and many are very pretty. It's all according to taste.

I will be in Moscow from the 9th to the 22nd, so anyone want to hook up for a beer, drop me a private message.

Michael Gage

First of all, what's icq? How does it work and how do you find chica's with it?

I will be in Mother Russia from the 25th through the 1st. Now that CAT has sold his biz, where is a similar place to obtain loging? CAT told me that he had sold his biz to another American but I haven't been able to find it. I think the web site name must of changed. Anyway that's my schedule so if there are any guys who want to get together and share war stories or go hunting and they are in town during that period, let me know.

jq

Ca_T sold his business to Moscow Rick, who ran a separate lodging service, albeit not as effecient as Ca_T's... but Rick is certainly a decent guy too. We'll see if Ca_T's old business will maintain its effieciency under new management.

Website is the same.

ICQ is an instant messaging service... download icq lite from any number of sites (how about doing a yahoo or google search on it?) and you are off and running... lots of people use it, although it still isnt as common as e-mail, it is gaining popularity fast as more and more people get pcs at home and/or regularly visit internet cafes. The icq website also has a description of its use.

JQ,

If you're looking to meet "chicas" in Moscow, you might also try the " Знакомства " section of mail.ru.

Thanks

I must have the web site wrong, do you have the correct addy?

OK, understand ICQ but how do you use it to meet girls or is it self explanatory once online?

JQ,

To meet girls you can use the search function for the area you are looking for. it is best to search for those online and narrow your search to only women and only those in thge age group you are looking for. write them... hope they write back and the rest is kind of self-explanatory.

The website is [url]www.moscow-star.com[/url] and it is running.

Hey Doc,

I see you're on the verge of your 500th post. Great milestone! However, we'll all be expecting something really special from you that'll blow us all away.

Ludovico

Nik53... Not much right around the M.Tverskaya. You should either go up to the metro Belarusski and take the brown, circle, line to metro Kurskaya. CF is right across the street or just get a car to take you to m. Kurskaya and start at CF or go straight down Tverskaya to NF. If you don't have much time, these are sure things that will have something for you anytime in the evening after 2200 or 2300.

doc, shos, MM, RM, et.al.... A wee bit of news from CT's home front... Sacrificed my biz for the family... Now the family, i.e. wife, has sacrificed me...

SO, after a trip on the 21st to South America to see BA, Sao Paulo, Ascunsion and Santiago, CT is returning to Moscow for a long-term engagement. This time, at least for a while, I won't be having to worry about a business... so I plan to enjoy myself. I am especially looking forward to getting out into the smaller cities and to the other countries of the FSU.

Well, anyway, you sure don't seem too broken up
about it.

And it sure don't sound like you're gonna be mopin' around
gettin' over it.

Must just be the mongerer in ya, right? That little devil sittin' up there
on your shoulder like Mr. Bluebird-balls, whistlin' some ruski debauch
music in your sick perverted ear.

In the end, we'll all be grateful that you decided not to abdicate,
after all, who else has unlimited time and wealth to be a proper
Tsar. The rest of us are just [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] boys, but you know it's good
to be the Tsar.

Just remember to leave a little for us peasants as you pillage your way through the provinces, you shameless oligarchal corrupter of the
motherland.

And have a nice day.

Da... Tzar is good!

[QUOTE=Shostakovich]N53

My recomendation is the BUDAPEST hotel. Is just some footsteps away from Karma bar, Paris life and many restaurants and pups around there.

[url]http://www.hotel-budapest.ru/eng/rooms.html[/url]

For the money you spend for a single room in Marriot you can have a suite in Budapest!

Shos[/QUOTE]

Yes, but can you bring girls up to your room without objections from the hotel staff?

[QUOTE=IT Travel]MagicTouch,

The Rossia Hotel generally speaking can also be intresting. [/QUOTE]


Maybe, but it is going to be demolished very soon now.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Can anyone recommend a good street map of Moscow?

Stravinsky[/QUOTE]


At virtually every metro station, outside on the street you will find a place that sells newspapers and magazines. They will have several small Moscow street maps, like small books. Some are for drivers and focus on the intersections, some are general purpose and are quite good. The cost is nominal, 25 rubles or so.

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]

I'm curious about a couple things. At Safari, I assume that there are private rooms (or do you just do 'er on the bar?). How are they furnished? Also, all the conversations you had with the dyefki in the clubs, were those in English, Russian, or a combination of the two?

счастливо,

Stravinsky[/QUOTE]

Let me give a more complete answer, Safari has another building in the back, the cost used to be 1000 rubles an hour because its a sauna. What you get is a bedroom with a small sauna. What you are supposed to do in the sauna, I have no idea.

[QUOTE=Explorer8939]Yes, but can you bring girls up to your room without objections from the hotel staff?[/QUOTE]

Da. Nyet problem.

And if you're too lazy, tired, or time contrained to hit the outdoor wildlife, there's in-house hunting.

There's a second floor bar that usually has at least two or three (or more) gals. If you go for the R.Crumb type (think big/massive everything in a miniskirt with boots), there's one that's been there every night I have (about 15). There's also a couple of the ultra-slim, small perky breast types. Last time I was there (Jan.), the hotel was full, and there were at least 10 gals at the bar. Not great, but it works in a pinch.

I've gotten away with $100. Not GFE for me, but YMMV.

Yes no problem it all.

I use to tip the Nightporter in the first night with 10 USD by telling him to care for me that week.

Whenever a girl is leaving, he is giving me a call from the entrance, in order to make sure that I don't miss a thing or if I'm o.k.!
Really first class service..............

If you like the to see interieur of the rooms just watch the pictures I posted beginning of last year in the photo section.

Shos

[QUOTE=Explorer8939]Yes, but can you bring girls up to your room without objections from the hotel staff?[/QUOTE]

Here is another option for people not staying in a apartment or staying in a hotel with strict security I found in web.

[url]http://pogosti.ru/cgi-bin/foreman.el?mod=pnet&id=3[/url]

The sell the rooms on hour base or for one night 11p.m. until 9a.m. as well! The rate with 990 Rubels for a standart room/night is not overpriced!

Could be also an option for a real Russian party with some chicks and Russian friends before starting in a party nigth.

There for the have the luxery room option!

Cheers

Shos

Hi all fellow mongers,

I am coming back to Moscow again and this time staying at hotel Golden Ring at Smolenkaya street. Any comments or advise about the hotel and whether there is any action at the hotel or near it.

Fast replies appreciated as always.

I'll be reporting later on.

*Toni*

Hi Toni,

it's nice to see new people in the Moscow board!

From all your 13 posts, only 12 were questions!!!

I'm really looking forward, to read valuable new infos about Moscow, from your point of view.

BTW all informations you asked for, you can find by using the search function in the Moscow tread.

Have a nice time in Moscow

Shos

Shos', you must be a diplomat or something because you put that so nicely :D (either that or you're on some happy pills!). I think the rest of us would have responded solely by writing RTFF

Doc, I tried your ICQ idea and it works like a treat! The first time I tried it I found some nice Ruski poontang as well as a couple of Ukie's. This could prove to be way better than the dating site option!

ICQ is a great way to meet lots of women in a hurry, from all over the world.

The big problem I've always found with ICQ is that it's very seldom that any of the women will post pictures of themselves. And the ones they do post can't always be relied on.

It's true that slavic women are some of the most beautiful in the world, IMHO, but they ain't all beauty queens. Better make sure to get a current photo from them before you plan any meetings.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Hello? I search all info about Hotel Ukraine.

Thanks

Does anybody use the love section of mail.ru to pick up freebies? There seem to be quite a lot of really cute 19yr olds on there. Just wondering how you go about getting them into bed without actually pretending to want to have a long relationship, and how you cut off contact with them afterwards. I'm just wary after an experience in a golden ring town with the rather large brother of a girl I fucked, in both senses of the word.

Inos... First of all.. why worry about the GR towns? Isn't Moscow large enough to find something you like? There are at least 1,000 Moscow girls for every GR girl. More importantly, Moscow is huge and you will not be likely to run into any other people that she knows. I've gone out with married women and girls with several brothers on many occasions. I promise you that that problem is one of the least important things to worry about.

I use love.mail.ru and omen.ru all of the time... been laid many times, but more times than not I just don't have time to see all of the girls who write.

I am not running for the guy with the biggest dick contest. I am just stating an opinion. I am very thorough before I do something. I am not interested in dying. I got the statistics from the CIA website.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Having been a long time resident of the NE US I've been to Montreal about 50-60 times. With it's large open gay population, drug culture and very open prostitution what makes you think the HIV rate is lower in Montreal?

Are you basing this on anything factual or on Russia being an EE country therefore the HIV rate must be higher there?

Oh yeah, minus two points in general for throwing in an opinion on some place you've never been.[/QUOTE]

PS And the only one that is bitching like a [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] is you.

[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Having been a long time resident of the NE US I've been to Montreal about 50-60 times. With it's large open gay population, drug culture and very open prostitution what makes you think the HIV rate is lower in Montreal?

Are you basing this on anything factual or on Russia being an EE country therefore the HIV rate must be higher there?

Oh yeah, minus two points in general for throwing in an opinion on some place you've never been.[/QUOTE]

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Found out through the rumor mill that a new lease has been inked for what will be the "new" CF/D&MBH... Don't know if the name will change or not. Apparently it is not too far from the old CF and have not heard any mention of timing.

Hello!

This forum is simply great, so many valuable contributions! Great!

I am going to spend few days in Moscow and I was wondering whether one can find hairy beauties, I mean girls very hairy down there who don't even know what a rasor looks like. It's maybe a kind of "out of trend" but I like the natural way very much.

Any suggestion?

Thanks in advance,

Lesotut

PS: I'm keen to share in this forum any experience I'll manage to have on the subject - if of any interest ;-)

I have been to Moscow for the weekend. Almost 38 hours. Some of my friend thought that I am crazy. But there is a strange magic attracts me in Moscow, hard to describe.

Currently I am practicing law in Istanbul. It takes 2 and 30 mins. flight from Istanbul to Moscow.

Any way, I arrived Moscow (Sher. II) on Saturday morning at 6:30. After the negotiation, we were dealed for $40 from Sher II to Kolemanskaya. Thank god, the car was a Passat. Moscow looked awesome early in the morning. After a 40 min. drive I arrived my buddy’s apartment. We had breakfast together and went to his office. We hanged around till 11:00 and I took the Metro to go to Tverskaya. This time I drop off at Thetralnaya for the longer walking tour. Tverskaya through Red Square. It was colder than New Year but who cares I was in Moscow.

Again I took lots of pics. And went to GUM(classy shopping mall at Red Square). Had coffee next to the golden fountain to warm myself. Than headed to Garbuskaya to buy Russian dvds. EE girls, I dated in Istanbul love to watch movies in Russian.

After a long day, we had dinner at Gwen Molly’s. Waitresses were dressed up like pin up girls(or college cheer girls) They looked very sexy with the mini skirts. Around 22:00 we headed to Oh La La, the cover was 650 Rb. per person. The place is at the very top floor of a 3 floor high building. It was dark and looked a little cheesy. Mostly 7-8/10 girls all around and they shake their asses in front of the mirrors and they thought this is dancing. Any way we were surrounded with girls and they forced us for a lap dance. 100Rb per dance. Jack is 280 Rb… I liked one of the girls and had a one hour long 1 round sex included private dancing. It cost me $100 and 400Rb.

Around 24:00 we moved to Shandra, last time we had a lot of fun. Saturday night suppose to be cool but the place was dead and the girls were mostly 6-8/10. Cover was 650 Rb and jack was 300 Rb. We stayed there something around 40 mins and had one very bad lap dance.

When we went to Safari, it looked cheesser than the Oh La La.

Instead of going to Rhino or Dolls, we decided to go to NF. As usual cover was 750 Rb. jack was 350 Rb. One of the best services of NF is the exchange office. As the head of the security said “Cash is king” at NF. He is a great guy, unfortunately can not recall his name, I was a little drunk. Anyway, we headed to the bar and we were surrounded with beautiful women wall. Very few men and lots of hot babes all around. It was heaven on earth. I saw two zna.ru girls, who are asking $400 all night long. I kept drinking, talking and watching the Britney Spears look like dancer who was dancing on dance floor, the one top of the main door.

I prefer to go my friends place with petite dirty blonde, tattoo on her belly. It cost me $300 till morning(it was already 03:00). Unlimited sex (I could only manage two with luck and Mr.V, I was so wasted), she looked 9/10,sex was 9/10, it was a mixture of GFE and PSE. My friend again decided to hang out with the Asian girl whom we spent time together last time. She had a great body and awesome bed performance but her silicon lips look terrible.

Sunday morning I woke up around 13:00, we headed to Vienna café for the Sunday brunch and left Moscow with 22:30 flight.

This weekend trip cost me $1000(everything included) Is it worth to spend this much money for 38 hours. Maybe not, but it was a great break for me. I felt better. And already make plans to go to Moscow on 23-24 April.

Long of short, NF is the place to hang around. It depends on your luck and crowd. It was Saturday night at 01:00 and NF was empty(compare to New Year season). There were 6-7/10 girls and lots of top of the line girls. Everything depends on your Negotiation skills and the color of money.

Safari and Oh La La, it was my last time to hang out those places. Shandra this time, was a big disappointment. In my next trip I will go to Dolls and Rhino.

“Cash is King” that explains every thing in Moscow. Anything is possible as long as cash flows.

Dear all,

I am coming in Moscow again on business trip. I am looking for young attractive interpreter with additional sex responsibilities. The girl/woman must be professional interpreter with professional appearance and behaviour. Additionally she must satisfy my sex needs once or twice in the day time or in the evening. She may be a student of the last year or young professional, she can be single or cheating wife. She must have big breasts and wide heaps, preferably grey or blue eyew. I will be very thankful for the recommendation of the right woman. I am not looking for any girlfriend - boyfriend relationship, each next trip to Moscow I want to have a new such interpreter. In my turn I can recommend my interpreter. I already used her for interpreting and sex. She provided all her kind services very well at rather low price. However, I do want to experience these wonderful moments each time with new girl or woman.

Stefano

Big Bro AJ,

Thanks for the report. Very clever, you arrive Saturday morning, party all night in the clubs and leave Sunday night. No need for a hotel room, so you saved some money there. I wish Moscow was only a 2 hr. flight from the U.S. But then, it would probably be full of obnoxious American tourists.

Can you give us some idea of where Gwen Molly's and Vienna are located?

счастливо,

Stravinsky

BTW - Who's Jack?

Introduction:

Allow me to start with an introduction, as we are new to you, though you guys are well known to us. More about that below.

We are two Danish guys, Gaffer and Blomstermanden (Flowerpower), who know each others from a local Internet site 1), where we guys post reviews when we have visited “Goddesses” locally or abroad. We have met not only in cyberspace, so one day Gaffer offered a bonus ticket to Moscow to have an interpreter and a guide for the trip.
Having collected lots of information from this forum, sextalk.ru, WSA and the many sites, where the girls advertise, we felt confident, that our preparations were the best possible.

We had learned this:

· Things not to do in Moscow (list of 10 rules)
· Knowing the language is definitely an advantage, difference between success and failure
· Places to go, CF, NF, tochkas, strip bars, discos.....
· The bribery system; doormen like policemen
· The risk, that the girls might try intercourse without a condom.
· The base camp should be an apartment, not hotel
· Price level different places
· Transportation from the airport
· Difficulties reaching the girls by phone
· Importance of registering visa and how to get one
· Small valuable hints stored for occasional use

Thanks for all the help you guys have provided by handing over your advice on this site. We are sure, that you have saved us for a nice sum of money. We are not against spending money, but against wasting money. *S*

Prepared best possible, but not a guaranty against unforeseen events. *S*

We will by posting this report about our 6 nights in Moscow and our own experiences pay our debt to you *S* hoping, that it will be of some help for others planning on a vacation in this big city.

We started getting an invitation from visaru.ru. That was needed to get the visa. At the same time we made a reservation for an apartment on 22nd floor in the White House, Novy Arbat, dom 26. kv. 160. Pretty nice and ideal for our purpose. The view was impressive for the girls visiting us. We had 3 rooms, two of them with double beds. 140 $ a night compared with the price of two hotel rooms with less opportunity to share the girls. *S*

Day 1.

We arrived as planned having met a fellow Dane with whom we shared a taxi instead of having troubles with the bus/metro. We could have had a driver from the apartment.

The service from the person meeting us with the key was excellent. She was also the cleaning lady whom we met three days later, but not available. *S*

We got unpacked, prepared for the evening before we had dinner in “Rus’” Arbat U. with the Dane from the taxi. The price for a nice dinner was 1.000 rubbles. Much less than feared and expected from our studies. No wine. Eating all the week was not low budget, but much less expensive than anticipated. 600-1.000 rubbles. Money saved meant more money for divushki (girls).

Our goal for the first evening was Chesterfield, Doug’s Bore House. On this Tuesday night there were 3 girls to 2 men. The girls were eager to create contact, but the Danish Party wanted to sit and make observations. Presently two girls, having passed our table three times, asked for permission to sit down. Granted, as they by look were in the upper fourth of the present girls. Conversation was soon getting to business. Both wanted $ 200 (we forgot to negotiate the time, assuming, that it was for the night). Patricia insisted on that amount, while Gaffer got Katjas price down to $ 150 and the girls should pay for the taxi (which they forgot *S*). Then we had to pay extra 20 $ each to the doorman. The girls would not meet outside.

Patricia got the money and by mistake! Also her 200 $. Stupid!

Next mistake. We took the cab just outside CF instead of turning round the corner to find the next. (500 r. down to 400.) It was cold, one o’clock at night and we were eager to bring the girls home. Too eager, but remember; it was the first night. *S*

Nor did we look for other cars in the vicinity with people making their observations.

At the walls of Kremlin’ our taxi was stopped – by three militiamen. The girl’s papers checked. OK. So what! Our papers were checked – the registration of visa already completed and fully in order. But not OK, according to the talking policeman. And we did not bring our return ticket, as he demanded. A small fine was demanded. SMALL! $ 300. Outrageous! Could be divided by 3. Another mistake: Flower power shoved his good knowledge of the Russian language! Instead of keeping to English.
While Flower power negotiated with the girls, where to meet, trying to save his investment!!! Gaffer was unfortunately seated in the car to be taken to the station. I shall not pester you with the boring details of the negotiations, threats about phoning to the Posol (Ambassador), which I offered to do myself and so on. Just mention, that we after more than half an hour of sightseeing in the centre of Moscow were released having paid 100 $. (They finally wanted 105 to be divided by 3.) My concern was not the authorities, the station or whatever. What I feared the most was to be left 40 kilometres outside the City with a Do svidania! (See you!)

They did not drive us home, though I asked them to for the money, so we found at freelance taxi and paid him 140 r. that satisfied him much.

Next morning the number to my friend Soeren, the Danish Military Attaché was stored in the phone! And the camera in the phone was ready to shoot. *S*
But most important! There was never during our stay an occasion like this for the militia to exploit. We found other means.

Back to the girls, which we picked up at a bar close to the apartment. The bill for tea and juice had increased 1000 rubbles. Nice bar and some of the celebrities in Moscow were pointed out to us. *S* the jet set!

We had fun from the start in the apartment. Dancing while having champagne, undressing and taking shower - and some photos. The intimacy grew.

The sex with Patricia was worth the high price. She was warmed up with massage and mentally with music by Enya. The atmosphere was fine creating a good basis for mutual enjoyment and sexual release for both of us. Cunnilingus for a long while Oral was without preservative, well performed and the 3 hours with a break to have some more champagne and a little conversation allowed three rounds. Patricia had plenty of time, and had it not been for Katja, who could not finish the deal fast enough according to Gaffer, I am convinced, that the girls would have stayed overnight with the possibility for and nice morning wake up. *S*

Strange, as Katja was having the initiative closing the business, promising a nice experience with her smile and sparkling eyes. Patricia had hidden all the goodies to bedtime.

The girls left after app. 3 hours. It was hard to fall asleep though six in the morning, but too many thoughts keep both awake for a while. A lesson or two richer.

We broke many rules on the first night, but how to react was not rehearsed.

The most severe of them was to get into a car with more than one person – even on the request of a militiaman.

They could have been fake, even their documents, but real uniforms.

Had I not paid Patricia up front, we would have been freer to dismiss the girls.
I could go on.

The cowboys had come to town. *S*

1) [url]www.venuslogen.dk[/url] the site has celebrated six years of existence, though the name has changed once due to severe interest from the Danish authorities in connection with the Law of registering personal information. It was started by a small group of customers, who had a common interest and a desire to discuss it with somebody: Visiting girls for money. The atmosphere was like the one you find in men’s dressing room after a football match. *S* Today it has turned more commercial, but the content is the same. Twice annually, Christmas and summer, we have a party, where we meet the girls under other circumstances. Dinner-dance! Your two guys met on this site and decided to have a beer together or two while discussing new girls in town. Many a friendship have started this way leading to activities like visiting FKK in Germany together, parties with 4 girls/4 men in a cabin in the countryside dressed in “penguin” and long dress and this months a trip to Moscow. One important thing is the respect for the girls we love to meet in different ways.

Day 2.

What we learned from the evening before, and the success with other ways of meeting girls, was the decisive influence in not going to Nightlight or other entertainments from where a taxi was needed. We were not in Moscow for partying and beer drinking, nor for supporting talking policemen with wife and two kids.

We had seen, that the service for one hour of an escort girl could be had in their apartment too; for 50-100 $. So meeting them in their own premises just for an hour to see what you would get before inviting for a whole night was our plan. We decided to find a massage parlour to have massage, and to find two girls for a later meeting.

We dialled the number and got a street name that was not shown on our detailed map. Figures and names are rather difficult to capture in any language, because they are spoken fast and you cannot guess missing parts from the context.

Therefore during 4 calls we got detailed description for the next bit of the way. Finally we were in the flat and 6 girls entered the dining room, where we were waiting. Flower power had sympathy for a small dark-haired girl Dasha. There was immediately promising eye contact with the cutie. Gaffer chose Elja and Sonja, and Valja followed Dasha.
Massage playing the instrument by 4 hands. After a while in heaven it was time for Flowerpower to make a decision. Gaffer had already with a little help from the interpreter chosen two girls for the intimate part of the massage. Flowerpower wanted to be alone with Dasha, though Valja was the best performer till now.

Dasha obviously experienced something new. A client that asked her to be the passive part of the game. For a long time. She got in Heaven, helped by the tongue and fingers of Flower power. After a break for Dasha to recover she was more than eager to pay back. Which she knew how to do. Perfectly.

Finally we lay back looking deeply into each other’s eyes.

Right now was the moment to ask her to bring a girlfriend to our apartment. She had worked in Moscow for three years and never performed outside the apartment. But she announced, that she would like to meet me on the 22nd floor of Dom 26. After a dinner for four.

I got her mobile number ( 3 more people have that number, so do not ask me for it. Find the link, that we post later and go and visit that little pearl! And you will not find any personal photos, only a link. The private shots are in my personal safe. *S*). Next day we agreed on meeting one day later. Unfortunately it was impossible for her to start with dinner as promised. She could not either speak freely on the phone of the apartment, so she switched on her mobile..

She would bring a girlfriend for Gaffer. Hopefully Sonja, whom he preferred to Elja.

The rate was 4000 rubbles for each of them for the evening until the morning.

Flower power could hardly wait till the fourth day to meet this little sweetheart.

Gaffer is said to have had an exceptional performance from the two girls, especially their oral skills and he being the meat in a sandwich got high ratings.

Gaffer paid 85 $ for 1½ hours with two girls and Flower power 65$ for ½ hour massage with two girls followed by one hour of intimate massage with lovely Dasha.

Your guys had learned the lesson. No taxis, only metro, where the militiawoman accepted the registrations on the spot.


The 3rd day.

Sweet dreams followed the experience from day two. No night program disturbed that.
In the daytime we went sightseeing like on day 2, where Moscow showed a new face compared to the latest visit in the year of the Olympics, not to mention the period in 1974-5, when Flower power worked in the City. Street names have changed after the Soviet period, so have GUM and a lot of other things. But basically it was the same city, just with a set of new people and new ways of living. Even the smell of bad perfume was no longer in the metro.

It was time to look in the binders with lots of photos and reviews printed from the Internet and especially sextalk.ru. Experience from calls from Denmark to the apartments/girls showed, that it was necessary to be well equipped with possibilities, as 15 out of 17 either did not answer or cut the line without one word. One of the two said, that they did not meet foreigners. Only one was cooperative.

So the three favourites were placed on the table near the phone.

Big was the surprise, that we had a double date on the first call; with Renata and Lera. Two girls working on their own as individualki. They told, that they kept all the money themselves, but had expenses to Internet advertising, apartment (600 $ a months for two) and other necessities. They wanted $250 for 6 hours each. As they were our number one choice out of several hundreds we felt lucky.

And it was very nice to meet the girls. Leras photos were very much representing the girl that showed up. Renata’s photos were maybe 4-5 years old, or worked over with Photoshop. But the eyes were the same, just a bit more promising that on the photos. More experienced. The eyes and their expression of self-confidence mostly caught flower power. She was the leader of the two.

Not only Flower power liked Renata. Renata liked Renata. *S* She liked to pose in front of a camera. She showed off and the shots that did not satisfy the Lady should be recaptured. Renata got more and more teasing, which provoked Lera to take part in the party. Or did the cool champagne play a role?

Soon the four split up in two rooms. Renata wanted to make photos while finishing undressing and posing on the bed, but never vulgar ones showing her more intimate parts. When she heard, that Flower power had a video camera, her eyes sparkled.

In that respect she was a good actress. She teased in front of the camera inviting to get closer and to ..... But only teasing.

Now Renata was asked to relax for the next long period. That was very difficult for her in the beginning but little by little it went naturally. *S* Flower power has learned a little techniques connected with tantrum and erotic massage. Though some of it did not succeed Renata went flying, experiencing some feelings in her body that she had never felt before. It was a great experience for Flower power too to work with such a responsive media.

Having gained some new energy Renata was allowed to show her skills. The inspiration made her perform excellently, though using a raincoat for the oral part of it too. Flower power took off like a flying carpet with Renata on top, her eyes full of energy and excitement realizing what pleasure she had developed inside the body of Flower power.

Gaffer and Lera were on round two, when Renata cuddled in the sofa in the arms of Flower power asking him, what he had done to her.

Tantrum and charka were new words to Renata, but she was more than willing to be taught a little theory followed by more exercises during the next 3-4 hours. She indeed was a willing pupil, and when she left after 6 hours, very eager to study the subject more closely on her own.

We all had a wonderful time. Studying hundreds of photos, reviews and the like before choosing the pair (of eyes *S*) was a total success to preparation – maybe with a little luck, too.

250 $ for each, 6 hours, seems a good bargain compared with the quality of the whole atmosphere and the relieving sex. It was a girlfriend experience, but would not have been possible had Renata’s knowledge of the English language been the basis for the conversation. We would hardly have had 30 seconds on the phone.

Photos will be posted under photo section

Best regards
Flower power & Gaffer

Lesotut:

you'll likely never find a pro with the full natural growth...

...one reason I like pros! But personal taste is personal taste... still, the typical market for guys like us is quite cosmopolitan in that respect. I mean, they all have MTV, read Cosmo, watch Sex in the City and chat among themselves on what guys like. Most guys like shaved bush, so most dyevs are hobby hairdressers.

The freebie type are often shaved or at least trimmed. The only untrimmed freebies I have had were the very inexperienced virginal type or the 30+ type... almost all girls between 18-30 will be at least trimmed, some delightfully bare.. but most are the the landing strip kind.

Guys:

Keep the great new posts coming... we all can learn from one another.

Gaffer,

Great report, honest and true Moscow experiences.

Stra,

Some of my friends still think that I am crazy but they have no idea about the joy and exciment of 36 hours long trip. It was frustrurating but worth it.

I will arrange another 36 hours long tour on 23-24 April. New clubs and resturants and new girls.

I don't remember the adresses but I will find it, Molly is next to a popular Ozbek resturant(Ses Bes).

Arrived in Buenos Aires this afternoon and scoped out several of the clubs tonight... I want to tell you that so far, I am not that impressed. Weather is probably better year round, but so far, for the price, as expensive as Moscow is, I´ll take Moscow hands down. Girls at Shampoo and Blacks were very nice, but wanted $100 for 1 hour and seemed to have little flex in the pricing. Still, to be fair, I must spend more time there, but don´t judge by my very limited exposure here... I´ve got another 20 nights here and my thoughts may change for the better. However, at this point, even with the winter, I´ll stay in RU and endure the cold and pollution. I´ll eventually post any photos on the Argentina page.

My 2 buddies and I are planning a trip to Moscow this thankgiving.We are already looking into all our options and would appreciate your input.I was thinking of renting a 3 bedroom apartment for a week instead ofa hotel,but I guess the registration is going to be problem if I stay at a hotel.That is what I made out after reading all the posts.Secondly,what area do you think we should try to find our apartment in.Somewhere I hope where therea re good bars,restaurants and most importantly girls.Third,how much do you think a 3 bedroom apartment for a week cost.
I would appreciate your input and if you have any questions on Amsterdam,LA,NYC ,LONDON ,DUBAI ,PLEASE drop mealine and I will be happy to answer your questions.

If I were you, I would not rent a place too far from the center(Garden Ring). You may take the Metro during the day time and at night take the irregular taxi.

Depends on location and accomodities but according to my humble opion you may pay $150 per day for a 3 bedroom apartment.

I may write the name wrong but it spells like "Inaleks" Moscow based travel agency. They handle registration for 300 rubles. They also have taxi services, but I recommand you to negotiate with the drivers at the airport. It's fun :-) PM me for the number.

Even if you know Russian, don't speak it with Milita. Your problems will grow and need to pay more bribe. Especially at the Metros, don't talk too loud to show that you're a foreigner.

Enjoy your stay

CAT,

Madahos is probably the only other place, besides Black, where you might find Moscow quality chicas. And the prices should be a little better, they don't have quite the attitude.

Are you posting on ArgentinaPrivate? I didn't see anything.

BTW - read your PM.

And now back to our regularly scheduled programming...

strav... haven´t posted anything on BA yet... I will though when I have anything halfway intelligent to say. Still it is difficult not to compare everything to Moscow.

bono... 3 BR apts are hard to find. You may want to consider a 2 BR with another one close by you should be able to negotiate a good deal if you have two apartments and if you book early.

Registration is not a problem but you could plan to pay $40 or $50 each for it. PM me and I´ll give you the details. Even with all of the hassles, apartments are still the way to go in the FSU.

Plan to stay inside of the Garden Ring. From there you can go anyplace without a problem and without too much expense. If you have any other questions, I will be happy to try to answer them for you.

One of my previous visits to Moscow, a firend of my buddy took me one of the Big Brother's Spa. You need connections to get in.

Any way, I am planning to arrange another weekend visit(38 hours long) in April. But this time I would like to try Spa/Massage.

I know there are hundreds of ads. on web and various sites. But do you have any recommandations or warnings from your experiences?

Day 4.

The tuna Pizza from the evening before had caused revolts in Gaffers stomach. He slept all day in order to recover, but in the evening it was clear, that Dasha should be invited alone.

A phonecall gave the information that Dasha would not make her first visit at a customers place ever without a girlfriend. So what to do?

Flowerpower asked if she would visit him with a girlfriend if the payment still was 8000 rubles ($ 260-70) for both? Her sad voice turned into happiness. “Do you mean, that you want to pay for boths of us just to see me?” I had rejected two girls the first day.

Certainly! A deal was made. Such an opportunity should not be wasted.

The parlour closed at 23.00 hours and the doorbell rang ½ an hour later. Alisa, one of the girls from the apartment had arrived together with Dasha. She was a little taller, but much slimmer. Very much so.

Champagne, juice and chocolate was served and consumed while poems of the intimate kind were exchanged. The Flowerpower collection grew. It led to girlish laughter and blushing faces. The erotic atmosphere was building up and sweet eyes were sent between Dasha and Flowerpower, but it was important, that Alisa did not get the feeling, that she was not wanted.

Therefore Flowerpower sent her to the bathroom with a towel. Meanwhile he made plans with Dasha how to start. Alisa should be played 4-handed. For quite a while, so she felt part of the troika.

Flowerpower has never touched such a slim girl, no breasts at all, but it was nice to observe, that she possesed the same erogene zones as other people, also the small dots on the chest.

Dasha helped with the back, but went to enjoy the beautifull view while Flowerpower did the front alone. *S* Alisa was soon to give in, but also soon to recover and start an excellent blowjob. She soon let herself on top. She was so light, that Flowerpower a few times lifted her off before he had his orgasm, but without wasting any fluid.


Flowerpower sneaked up behind Dasha and cupped her big tits whispering into her ears, that she was next, and some more...... *S* After some fondling and kissing the pair joined Alisa.

Whether Alisa liked girls in general, is not to tell, but doing Dasha gave her plenty of pleasure. It showed on her face. Flowerpower considered to leave the two girls alone, but only for a short moment. *S*

Again Flowerpower was left alone to do the front. From the first meeting Flowerpower had learned some tricks, that Dasha favoured. She was not surprisingly given some ekstra treatment. She on the other hand had learned to relax and receive. There was no strugle to make her do that. What nice sounds came out of this lovely instrument. The tunes were pleasant in the ears of Flowerpower, when her back was made into a bow, but also stimulating, so when Dasha, having invited Flowerpower to lie next to her, had had time to regain energy by help from his caresses and kisses, he signaled to her, what he would like her to do. Her oral skills are good, though not so good as Alisas, but the glance into Flowerpowers eyes while performing were so lovely, that it compensated for anything. Dasha ended on top with swinging breast bringing the pleasure to an end for a while.

The party decided for a small break before it was his turn to receive; he was ready for a trip into the psycadelic world of forthcoming images and plentifull of colours. Having turned Flowerpower around both girls used all means to give pleasure to their toy. It was hands, lips, intimate parts all over in one frenzy mixture. Who did what is not registered and can therefore not be reported.

The next thing Flowerpower noticed clearly was a head on each shoulder. What a wonderful feeling for bedtime. Especially Dashas face was studied until it got too warm in bed and a little cold champagne with orangejuice was obligatory. It was 3.30 a.m.

At 7.30 in the morning the girls had to get up to go to an aerobic center. Flowerpower offered 300 r. for the taxi, but Dasha refused to take them. Have you guys ever experienced anything the like!

Normally the offered amount is not enough, but Dasha did not even take the 300. They were deliberately left on the table. *S* It could have helped to pay for all the sms’s we have exchanged since then.

Unfortunately Dasha could not have a few days off work while Flowerpower was in town. Else she would have spent the rest of the days with him. *S* But no. It was impossible.

Day 5.

Tochka time.

The video camera had been used only once and the intention and hope was to bring more scenes back home.

We had a feeling, that tochka girls would be the right to ask. So in order to have the whole evening at hand we decided to start out 16.30. There was information on sextalk, that girls were to be found all day, but the first free lance taxi said we would have to wait till dark and there would be plenty near Novy Arbat.. We of course did not listen!!! And stopped the next taxi. An old guy from Nagorno Kharabach who were in town to earn money, wanted 1000 r to take us near Ikea and back. Time was precious, as there was a chance to meet Dasha again after midnight, if the video business was compleeted, so off we went. Just to be held in a traffic jam. Nearly 2 hours to get to the first beacon lady, who sent us off to some containers. There 5 girls emerged in the spotlight from the car. UPS. Not the kind of girls the two of us would want to end up with.

The next group of girls were quite a distance from Leningradskoe Shosse. The tracks leading to the girls winded through darkness and suspicious surroundings. Old factories and containers. Had we not been well prepared about the locations of the marketplace, we would probably have trown ourselves out of the car to flee our terrible destiny. *S*

But after a while the car stopped in front of 8 girls of the same kind. In the dim light we decided to go back to the center to find the girls you guys have written about, but the driver wanted us to give it another try. On the way back to the center we found a beacon lady one mile after Ikea. She took us to a place, where two girls were shown to another car.

Wauuu! A model! And the girl next seemed OK.

After a few minutes waiting we were first in line. But where was the model?
Well she belonged to the 150 $ group, not the 100$ group. Who cared.

The deal was settled for 150 each and 20 for the Lady! *S* Yet a mistake. The Mama would not make a deal about the video stuff. We had to negotiate with the girls. We should not have paid and left without that agreement, but we went and were disappointed in that respect.

But not with Lina, the model. She was dressed very western style, with fancy clothes, in-build sunglasses and a small cap.

The driver demanded r. 1.500, and was even though not satisfied by the earnings from 3½ hours driving.

Nadezhda, the name of the champagne we drank, was also the real name for Nadja, the other girl. Not a beauty, but willing and compensating with her willingness for her minor attractivity compared to her friend. That willingness included oral without and she presented her most intimate part ready for penetration without rubber. Flowerpower found the condom, that Nadja did not bring.

Gaffer expressed preference for the model, so Flowerpower invited Nadja to the bed in stead of Lina. Nadja shined to be chosen first. This was the first smile, we saw. She might have been a descendant of the Danish royal family a thousand years back, King Harald Bluetooth, *s* i.e. if there were teeth at all.

But let us turn that into an advantage. Oral without teeth is perfect, and indeed it was. But it was a kind of a shock, that Nadja did not ask for a preservative.
Nadja got the same treatment as the others and had the same difficulty to remain passive the first ½ hour. Just enjoying, but she too found the advantage off such an arrangement and got used to it very soon. *S*

The four gathered in the sittingroom for another vodka/champagne and the girls got sight of the three binders with photos of a lot of prospects. They were interested in the prices, the photos of girls using models or photoshop and the reviews. The comment opened up for a discussion about girls kept as “sexslaves” in apartments without passport and about other interesting information. Lina preferred the Tochka to the apartments as she got a higher percentage for herself. But percentage of maybe a lower price. She was at least a 300 $ girl.

Flowerpower went to the bathroom, so he could invite Lina for some massage. That moment was anticipated with delight, but Nadja did not feel the same way. Like a thai she had feelings of ownership.

But in exactly this situation Flowerpower felt no regret. The meeting with Lina was as delightfull as expected. She had a gorgous figure and wonderful breasts. She was nice to be with and very responsive.

It is amazing how unaccustomed the girls we met were to be passive and just receive. The Danish girls in clinics are hard to turn on and get all the way, and do you succeed you still doubt whether they just faked. I wonder whether the girls in Moscow are not used to be respected by the Russian guys and asked to relax and enjoy.

For certain it was in no situation fake. You cannot fake such a “flood”, as has been the case here.

The more Lina enjoyed, the better Flowerpower performed. She was great. The time spent was great. She got to the point, where the massage oil ran between her bottoms down to anus. The pleasure and relaxation felt by Lina opened up for a massage with one finger in each canal. That was indeed a turn ON. The bottom was lifted to ease the way.

Lina was flying and ended exhausted for more than 5 minutes. The pair lay close caressing while the conversation about WSG started. Lina was a professional, as well as giving Flowerpower a GFE. Therefore she was very interested in hearing about the possibilities for her, and how we could make you guys aware of her existance. That was all at the end, so we did not profit from extra service. *S* I cannot imagine how it could have been better though.

You will get the photos later, Lina even asked us to show them to you, and the description near Ikea is the best we can do for you to find her. She is worth the long trip in rushhour. Have pleasure!

I do not remember for how long the girls stayed, not overnight, but both of us were satisfied for the evening. *S*

Day 6. The last day.

Still only one short video. The binders were to help us. From Intimcity we had quite a few prints with a positive mark: photo/video. (By the way, if you hurry you may still find the whole content of the binders in one of the drawers in the flat. *S*) Many calls later, no answer. Finally we spoke with a girl who promised, that she had girls who were both used to and willing to perform on a movie for private collection.

Two hours later she confirmed by call to the apartment, which of the suggested girls were available. But one of them wanted 50 % more. No Problem.

Two hours to their arrival at eight p.m.

8.30. Flowerpower called by cell phone to the apartment, whether they needed more information. The connection was cut. New call from the telephone in the flat. “Ne mogut.” “The girls cannot see you!!” Short message. Asked why they had not called back to inform us was answered by cutting the line.

Again we had to look in the binders for new possibilities, but video was given up.

Suddenly Tanja looked at us from a print. She could be with us within ½ hour bringing a girlfriend, announced her sister! And stay till 8 in the morning for the amount of 14.500 rubles for both inclusive taxi.

The two Danes were excited to see, whether her friend was their mother, but Vika showed up. Tanja was very much like the photos and Gaffer fancied Vika very much. Tanja was the beauty, maybe a little skinny, and Vika the fun.

While Tanja visited the shower Vika asked from where we knew about the girls. She was shown the binders with Tanjas photo and nice review, and a bit disappointed, that she was not to be found in the collection.

The binders led to a conversation about their branch and their job. They too were very interessted in the prices and all.

It was time for Enya to sing her slow meditative songs. Also Tanja was influenced by the tones and let things come to her willingly. Some cunnilingus led to the inevitable explosion and rest afterwards. Flowerpower placed his chin on the “Venus mountain” and lower stomach for a while before he was invited next to Tanja. They lay close looking deeply into each others eyes. Both were smiling, passing an affectionate kiss and their eyes sparkling, but suddenly the smile turned shy, while tears ran from both Tanjas eyes. She hugged intensely for a while and nearly crushed Flowerpower, before she in order to get on started giving him a blowjob.

It was indeed a curious moment. The sex with Tanja was very passionate. She was very much a GFE.

Gaffer and Vika were on round two before the other two emerged from their hide away.

Gaffer praised Vika, so Flowerpower decided to invite her for some massage about 20 minutes later.
Blunder. That was indeed a mistake; this time regretable.

But time could not be rewinded.

Vika was if possible the most wet of all the girls.

And by far the most loud, which made things worse.

For a long time. Even worse.

According to Gaffer Tanja was not enjoying the situation.

Things like that happen every day in Thailand, where the girls more or less own a costomer while in her town. Sometimes they pick you up in Bangkok airport to avoid competition, rivals.

But this is Moscow!! Year 2005.

The time with Vika was another success to the now long list. No need to describe the procedure again.

When sleeping places were decided Tanja clinged to the arm of Flowerpower, so that was not a subject to discuss.

There was no hugging nor head on the shoulder. Revenge!

When the sounds of some activity in the sitting-room an hour later reached our room, Flowerpower found some renewed power and a searching hand started wandering on Tanjas stomach downwards. But it was rejected with a firm hand. Revenge!

Flowerpower fighted the desire to join the two performers in the next room. He had to accept the noise as the only pleasure for now.

In the morning Flowerpower woke up choking. He could hardly breathe. The reason was that Tanja wanted some ekstra service from him. Her most intimate part was bloking for new oxygen.

So be it. As a reward Tanja was again the passionate girlfriend from the night before, kissing and hugging and taking and giving.

The finals could hardly have been better for any of us all. The girls left 10.30 leaving two hours to pack.

Apart from the first evening visiting CF and making all the mistakes in one evening you could say, that the two Danes learned their lesson soon; mostly due to the preparations for the tour in which you guys have produced your share of information.

Thanks for saving us quite a few bucks.

We hope, that the information in our report will help other travellers in the future. There are things not to copy and some advice how to get the best experience finding nice girls in the big jungle.

Four things to pass to you:

1) Try to meet the girl from the Internet at their apartment first time. It costs only around 50 $ 100) for an hour. The feel between you is important. I could have spent the whole week with Dasha.

2) Unneccesary to say, but show the girls respect and do some unusually things for them. It pays off. My trick is a nice bunch of flowers (in Denmark) and giving them massage while enjoying their body reactions. It could be meeting in a restaurant having dinner first or...

3) Never enter even a policecar! with more than one person in it.

4) Make your preparations and you will get a much better chance for good experiences.

The whole trip except for the air ticket amounted to $ 2.350, or < 400 $ per night, or < $ 300 per girl. Food, lodging, visa, girls, sightseeing and all included.

Compared to what we got it is little money. Maybe one girl two nights in Denmark.

But try to find someone to travel with who knows the language, if you do not yourself. It helps quite a lot in any way.

Flowerpower has got his up-grade through the system, but till now only a number, so he is posting himself.

Yours

Gaffer & Flowerpower.

Below you will find some links to the sites, where we found the girls.

Among them some lovely photos of Renate. Maybe not completely the girl I met.

Negatively: she seems older IRL, if that is a minus. At least not 100 % like the photo.

Positively: The glance; the reason to chose her, was much more intense IRL, and she was the catwoman you see on the photo Gaffer has posted to the photosection.

dag 1.

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dag 2.

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Dasha
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Valja
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Renata
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Lera
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Tanja with big sister Diana.

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Flowerpower

Hi there,Thank you all for your valuable input. I will be private messaging the experts for some more guidance.However,this is another general question.I have been browsing ads for short term apartments for rent in Moscow and St.Petersburg.I found an apartment online and these are the closest subway stations to it.Local Metro Stations
metro Barrikadnaya
metro Krasnopresnkaya
metro ulitsa 1905 Goda
metro Belorusskaya

However,they did mention that this was right out side of the Garden Ring.Is this a good location or walking distance to the happening spots. ANother one I found was this metro station called Tverskaya and antoher called the White House Apartment at Arbatskaya
Out of this three which ones would you recommend?The rent is reasonably cheap for a 3 bedroom apt.
I would appreciate your feedback Thanks

Bono:

Being "close to the action" is relative... the action is spread out all over Moscow and Moscow is huge... but nonethless there are certain areas in which action is clustered.

In principal you will be ok anywhere within the garden ring or close to any metro station within the brown circle line since you will have to take a taxi to most locations anyway. As previously mentioned, you really shouldnt be walking anywhere at night.

I think even more important than the location in reference to the city is actually location/proximity to metro stations and well travelled thoroughfares where you can take the metro without walking far and/or catch a taxi without hassle. For non-Russian speakers it is also important that your apartment is close to something prominent or easy to find. Especially at night many of the taxi drivers in Moscow are non-Russian, meaning Caucasian. They may know every shortcut in Yerewan or Baku, but they have no clue about Moscow. So you'll want to have a point of reference, usually a metro station, to direct them to.

Equally important is having a 24 hour shop close to the apartment where you can get snacks and drinks.

For pro action you'll have to take a taxi anyway, so being "close to it" is not really relevant. Just stay central.

Club action is found in several clustered locations, including:

Bariikadnaya/Krasnopresnaya (Real McCoy, Mio etc.)
Tverskaya/Pushkinskaya (NF, various strip clubs, Bunker, B2, Defile, Garazh)
Teatralnaya/ploshad revolutsuii (Osen, Pirogi, various strip clubs, etc.)
Kuzentsky Most (Karma Bar, Barbie etc.)
Lubyanka (Propaganda, Papa Johns, Che etc.)
Novokuznetskaya/Tretyakovskaya (Cabana, Fabrique, numerous off-the-beaten track clubs)
Taganskaya/Proleterskaya (Park Avenue, other Russian clubs)
Belorusskaya (Dirty Dancing, Voodoo etc.)

Arbatskaya is a nice location due to the proximity to Arbat, but it really isnt next to any clubs that I can recommend, except for Hard Rock... and HR is really only a place to get cheap drinks during happy hour, take oblast dyevs to to impress them and get them drunk, grab a heaping portion of nearly authentic American food or look at Jimi Hendrix's fantastic multicolored jacket. Still, Arbatskaya is an easy taxi location and you'll have no transport or shopping problems. I havent actually stayed in the building you mention, but isnt that where the Danes stayed? Read Gaffer and Flowerpower's recent report.

When I select an apartment I really dont select for proximity to clubs... in most cases you arent actually within walking distance, so you end up taking a car anyway. I look for places close to metros and close to main roads easing the taxi situation. Locations where you cant go wrong are anything directly in the center... meaning Tverskaya/Pushkinskaya/Kuznetsky Most/Teatralnaya. You'll also be fine in the Mayakovskaya area, or Chisty Prudy.

And obviously the apartment itself is important. Things it MUST have include:

Cosmos (satellite TV): chicks love it, especially pros
Stereo with CD player: no music equals no fun
Refrigerator: obviously
Nice bathroom: very rare to actually get one though... most Russian bathrooms are Soviet
Modern furnishing: usually IKEA style.. also not always possible to get this.

Many people request a safe, not a bad idea but I personally dont use one.

Hi everybody,

I see that there are a lot of people very expert here.

I have some questions, I hope you guys can help me.

First at all I would like to know what it means "tochka"? and where I can find them? address?

Also I'm very curious how work the SPAs? there are girls for having sex there? For me is a wasting of time just go to get "hungry" smell the food and not actualy eat. Like Rinhos, some nice girls but only lap dance and no sex. or I didn't know how to negotiate?

I heard that Mandrahos and Shandra are very cool places. could you tell me the addresses please?

I saw that somebody asked about the Ukraina Hotel. I was there a couple days and is hard to bring girls in; Before 11 PM the girls have to go to front desk and get screamed, after 11 pm you have to pay the gards 20 dlls to let get in your girl. too much problems not very friendly escort hotel. service is nice but expesive, even the internet is exageated expensive. so good luck whit it.

Talking about the boarhouse, is a nice place to get next door looking girls. from 100 dlls and up all night best days are the weekends and Monday. (well, it surprice me, that Monday was full of chicks probably was rare)

Good place to pick up feebies before 10: 30 pm.

Most of bars whit dance music, Santa Fe, Karma, Che, and many that I forgot the name, is a good chance to meet girls and take them to your place same night. just be carefull whit the scams. do not over drink is kind of dangerous, but well is all part of the adventure.

It was a shame I didn't meet any of you but I didn't have permition of posting untill I was back home =(next time for sure.

Cool postings of Doctor Shank, CAt, and the Danis guys etc. I hope I did help some

DeAldo

PD: By the way CAT I heard you will go to Argentina? or you already went? If you need help or info I can help you well, I have friends and a lot of experience about the escorts and places. send me a MP if you need

After first visiting Norvogard the Great and Saint Petersberg (two cities I really liked), I was looking forward to the Moscow visit. After all it was the capital so it should be better right? Wrong! As much as I enjoyed the other two cities, I was totally unimpressed with Moscow.

We arrived early morning on the over-night train from Saint Petersberg and proceeded to the hotel where we had reservations. We were told that we couldn't check until 1pm regardless even if we paid an additional night. But they would store our luggage until check in time for us. So we went to breakfast to discuss what to do. Although the cafe was pretty upscale the food was barely eatable and was really expensive. This was right across the street from our hotel, which was down the street from the American Embassy. We decided to go ahead with one of the smaller site surveys and to return to the hotel afterwards to check in. It was in one of the government ministries near the Kremlin. Talk about rude behavior! These guys were total asses! First they didn't want to let us in, even though they had us on the schedule and our papers were in order. They made us wait over three hours before they would finally let us in and then only three at a time (there were 9 of us). So three would go in do a site survey and then the next three and then the next three. This smallest site survey took until almost 6 pm and then we proceeded to the hotel to check in. At first they told us that they couldn't find our reservations (why didn't they tell us that morning?) then they found them but since we hadn't called to tell them we were checking in late (at 6pm!) that they had cancelled the reservations and given out the rooms. They only had one room left at this point, or so they said. I felt that we weren't dressed to their wishes is the reason for this cancelled reservation.

So our Russian guide got busy trying to find a hotel with nine rooms free. He tried all the "western" type hotels (which equates to $$$$ a night) but couldn't find enough rooms for us. So he found us a Russian style hotel that didn't know if they could register foreigners or not (we all had business visas and really didn't need to be registered). After about an hour, they finally got some official on the phone that asked why we weren't staying at a "western" hotel. When he was told why, he said he would check and call back and let us know what to do. Over an hour later, he finally called the hotel back and said that they could register us. By this time we are hungry and tired and just want to get something to eat and go to bed. First surprise. We had separate bed rooms but each two rooms shared a bathroom. Second surprise was that the cafe in this hotel closed early so we couldn't eat there. We had already let the guide and van go for the night and he wouldn't answer his cell. The one good thing was that we were only about a block from the subway. So we all got cleaned up and walked to the subway to find a cafe to eat in. We decided on downtown and rode the subway there. Not many cafes were open in that central business area (they must cater to the lunch time crowd) but finally found one and ordered. Once again not the greatest food and expensive also.

We got a little turned around, everyone had a different opinion on which was the right way, so I asked for help in my poor Russian. I was ignored mostly even by the militia. Not near as friendly as the other two cities. Finally we got some help, found the subway and our hotel. Finally got to sleep in the not so comfortable beds.

The next morning, no hot water! What a way to start the day. The weather was cold and it was snowing. Our guide was late, another bad start to our day. When he finally got there, he took us to a cafe with good food at last, but it was still rather pricey.

We had to drive around town to several different locations and I have to say that this city was not laid out all that well. The public transportation is good with the subway and buses, but I thought Saint Petersberg was better. But taxi are pretty expensive here, even compaired to places like New York. The cheapest way besides subways or buses was to hold your hand out for a private car, but that is not feasible with a large group.

There does not seem to be a central area with all the action is, it is all over the place. And the subway stops at either 11 or 12 pm (if I remember right). So exploring this town had time limits for us, since we had to send the van away by 9 pm every night.

We did check out a strip club that had a pretty high entry fee, but the girls were top notch with great bodies. AND touching was allowed and encouraged during private lap dances.

Trying to keep on schedule for our work assignments was impossible because of the lack of cooperation from government officials and our five day stay turned into nine days. They were not just lazy they were also rude with an attitude! I wish that this was a "by location" bid instead of winner take all because I would not bid on Moscow.

General Feelings about Moscow: Very expensive! People seem to be more concerned with how you are dressed than whether you are a good person. They seemed to think they were elite, especially the government officials.

Food: Generally good (after we figured out where) but on the expensive side compaired to the other two Russian cities.

Plus Side: Public Transportation. Historic with a lot to see. Although I was disappointed in the size of Red Square and the condition of the Cathedral in it. How they got all those tanks in there I will never know.

I did get a taxi to take be to the Toika (sp) line near Red Square just to see what the talent looked like. Again not impressed. I realize that it was cold a snowing, but after all I heard about them, the selection was pretty low for the quality.

Overall I give this city a two thumbs down! Although, if I got to know the lay of things I might change my mind about it.

Even getting to the international airport is a hassel and expensive. Next stop Kiev!

OK, finally got things ironed out and am traveling to Moscow on the 16th and will stay probably a week. Still have to solve where to stay and since CAT is out of the biz I need some reccomendations. Also would'nt mind sharing a 2 BR with a seasoned monger. Any body got suggestions?

Handyman:

Many of your complaints about Moscow seem to stem from the fact that it was a hassle to manage 9 people at once. I think anyone who's even read about Moscow's shortage of good hotels could've predicted that. Go back solo or just two or three in a group and you *will* change your mind. Don't get me wrong, Russia is kind of a hassle all around, but it is so worth it, especially if you interact with just a few of the million hotties running around the capital.

Zizz Bang;

I have to admit that hotels rooms and transportation was very difficult for 9 people, but since I was in the military I can deal with those difficulities and take them in stride. I was more turned off by the elitest attitude we encountered there as compared with Saint Petersberg and Novogard. We received very very little cooperation from the government officials we had to deal with although we all were gentleman with professional attitudes (read this as not showing our discust with them).

As an example: We got lost in Saint Petersberg walking around one evening and three students volunteered directions (without us asking), then even got us to the bus stop, and accompanied us to our location. In Moscow, when we got lost, we couldn't get either directions or help from anyone I tried talking to or using my electronic translator. They just seemed to ignore us.

Plus compared to the other two cities, the costs for everything was at least 50% higher (with Saint Petersberg prices) and 100% higher for Novogard.

If I get the contract, I will have to do in-depth research to find out how to deal with the city and the officials or it will be one long ordeal.

CONTINUATION:

I will admit to one major mistake in preparing for my Moscow trip. For all other locations, I downloaded all the information from WSG and other sites and made a CD with this information. This came in extremely handy every where else I went. I just ran out of preparation time (and couldn't stay on line long enough because of the prior problems with the server) before the trip and didn't do that for Moscow, which I greatly regret. In other locations, I got good information on hotels, cafes and other necessary information (wink). So I take responsibility for some of my failures and will learn from my mistake. For any one going to a location that is has good coverage on WSG, I highly recommend you take your laptop with disks for each location (although it is a hassle taking your computer and software out of Russia).

One night while exploring the city on my own, I met two Russian guys in a local bar and we got to talking (they could acually understand me - my Russian gets better with a few drinks). When they heard that I was disappointed in Moscow, they decided to take me on a tour of their city. First they called a couple of their girl friends (and one for me by the name of Nina). We crammed all six of us into a small car (which was interesting with Nina on my lap and me trying to be a gentleman). We proceeded to a space tower type of structure, but when we tried to get in we were told it was not open to the public that late. We went back to the car, and one of the guys, Sasha, asked me for $20 American. He went back to the guard on duty and they talked a little while, then he signaled for us to come in. I was told not to speak, since anyone could tell I was not Russian if I opened my mouth. We went up in the elevator and wow what a view! Moscow was beautiful at night and the space tower even had glass panels in the floor to look straight down. Then the guard came running up and said his officer was coming up on a surprise visit and we had to hide up a flight of stairs, which turned into an area with communications equipment. As soon as I saw the equipment, I knew this was not an area, that we should be in! There was all sorts of crypto (communications security items) gear, so they processed classified information here. This really got me nervous, I had been in Military Intellegience for 24 years and thought that if I was caught in this area, that I would have a very hard time explaining this, especially if the produced any files that the KGB are famous for. But we were not discovered, and the officer went away. As soon as he left, we were hussled out of there by the guard.

We then proceeded to several other tourist sites and several other bars and nightclubs. Which was nice and since I was with locals, I was also accepted by who ever we met. Nina and I had a good time although she couldn't speak English and we had a hard time, understanding each other, although she was 22 years younger than I was, it didn't seem to bother her at all. She would teach me a Russian word and I would teach her the English word for it. She loved to dance and we had a very good time. About 4 am, everyone was getting pretty drunk and it was time to call it a night (morning) since I had to be at my best at 9am (at least I tried to be!). We piled back into the car and it was either my wishful thinking or maybe reality, Nina really started squirming around on my lap and this produced a reaction from me. When we got back to my hotel, I was hugged and kissed on the check by the girls and shook hands with the guys. Then they were gone, and dumb old me had forgot to get a phone number from Nina! But I did have one for Sasha.

The next day was long and tiring and I was looking forward to a hot shower (hopefully) a good meal and early to bed. But when we got to the hotel, I had a message (in Russian). Since I don't read Russian I had to use the electronic translator to figure it out. It was from Nina! I called and we made a dinner date, she would come to the hotel at 8 pm and then go to the cafe so I wouldn't get lost. We had a great dinner at a local place that was reasonable priced for the quality. Then we went for a walk around town even though it was very cold and she was wearing a short dress. When we got too cold, we went to a bar, talked and drank until 4 am again. Since I was leaving the next day for Kiev, I thought it was now or never, but she informed me she was a good girl and staying at my hotel was out of the question. We exchanged emails and promised to keep in touch. One note: She told me she was only visiting her cousin who was Sasha's girl friend and would be returning home to a small town near Novograd the Great on the weekend.

She was the only Nina I met on my trip, so many Sasha, Sevta, Eleana's I couldn't keep track, but Nina wasn't a common name there. She keep her promise and we are in contact. So hopefully, I will have a contact in Russia when I go back.

Take Care and Happy Hunting!

Hi guys,

I'd like to ask your help regarding omen.ru. Is this an escort or a dating site?

Further, can someone translate the text below? Thanks in advance.
Ira

При нажатии на номер телефона Вы получите 2 новых окна - с результатами поиска других анкет этого телефона и с отзывами об этой девушке.

HM2... Sorry you didn't enjoy Moscow. I guess it isn't for everyone, but I agree that a group of 9 has to make it a little more difficult. I was confused by one comment that you had. You indicated that because you had a biz visa you were not required to register... Where did you get this info? Just so there is no confusion by others, this information is incorrect. Everyone from the USA and Europe and most other places MUST register within 24 hours if in a hotel and within 72 hours if you stay in an apartment. A new law was recently passed that includes heavy fines for those not register after 5 days, i.e. 50,000 rubles. I have not heard if they are enforcing the new law, but I imagine it will mean heavier "fines" paid directly to the militicia on the spot.

UPDATE ON CF... Word now on the street is that CF will continue to operate through the end of the year.

HM2-

Dude, some story. But why would a guy with 20+ years intel experience tell two strangers in a bar that their city is a disappointment, then when these guys produce some women, get into a car, pay to bribe a guard WITH YOUR CASH, etc etc

Didnt anything from your 20+ years tell you, this was an absurdly high risk to take? I think the only major mistake you didnt make was to change money with someone in a back alley. I think you need to buy lottery tickets, you're one lucky dude. You may well be that statistical probability of <.001% we hear about who all this happens to on ONE trip and escapes to tell about it.

No American, by himself, should NEVER, repeat NEVER, do what you did. Even if you're the friendly jello salesman on your Eastern European sales route.

- CA_T

Was told by Martin that CF will not move to another location before September.

- Everybody who is staying in a apartment

Make sure that you write in your emigration card in the field of "host organisation" some street name, no., plus private apartment. And never a company name.
Police will turn any company name into a hotel like host and then you have to register within 1 day.
Further this guys count different then we, starting from the day of arrival. Means you arrive 10 p.m. and you leave CF after midnigth you are in deep shit because in there opinon first day is gone.

Back from paradise......

Shos

HM2,

I agree with NY Monger, you certainly lead a charmed life! You were very fortunate to have met up with some sincere Russians. They can be hard to come by, particularly at a bar in Moscow, late at night.

You should have been almost as suspicious of them as any Russian dyev who tells you she is a "good girl". The next time you want the phone number of that sweet young thing squirming in your lap, the correct form would be " tyelefon yest?"

I have just one question. When you are back here in the States, if some Russian were to walk up to you and attempt to initiate a conversation with nothing more than an electronic translator.... what would your reaction be?

Ira,

The answer is... both. Depends on the dyev. They do have a special section for " досуг ", which is for professional girls. The text you are seeing is telling you to click on the telephone number. When you do, the system will perform a search on that number and present you with a couple new windows that contain information about that phone number and dyev associated with it.

Stravinsky

CA Traveller;

You are right about registering business visa. We did rigister them in Saint Petersberg with a detailed itinerary of where we were going (see Saint Petersberg report). We were told that unless we changed it, that we weren't required to register in each city on the itinerary. Although most hotels took the passport the first night and registered them locally any how. Was this incorrect information? Our local guide didn't correct us, if that is wrong.

NY Monger;

Yes, I made mistakes and my instrincts were well lubricated with vodka, physically I can take care of my self so will go where others won't but that is not an excuse either.

Sasha and Nikoli were not Moscow citizens although they worked there through the week. They took a train home on Friday and came back Sunday night almost every week. They brought up the problems of Moscow and then spent at least an hour of where I shouldn't go alone and what not to do. I think to make me comfortable, Sasha even showed me his local passport and explained it to me. He told me that if they were allowed to travel outside of Russia, they were issued a different one. So I wasn't just getting in a car with a stranger. The girls were their long time girl friends which was very obvious being around them for a little while. Absolutely no "alarm bells" were going off in my head because it was too natural to be staged. If they had been touching unappropriately that would have set off my warning system. In public girl-guy touching in very subdued from my observations.

The $20.00 American, they didn't have any American money, I gave him a $20 and he gave me back rubles. So no "alarm bells" here either. I found out several times that a "gift" in dollars or euro's was more welcome than rubles. So it was natural to me that a guard would want "hard currency".

That space needle doesn't look like a communications facility from the outside or from the tourist area where you look out either. The plexiglass or glass panels in the floor are diffinitely tourist items and not a military style item. So again no "alarm bells". It wasn't until, the guard came and ushered us through a locked door and up some steps that the "alarm bells" went off big time. I don't think that the other five knows what the equipment was, but I did and my mind went into overdrive on how to get out of it a smoothly as I could. But it wasn't necessary. It was a real experience and my instincts were working after all! Although I have to admit, I was not comfortable inside the communications room and was naturally worried.

No, I would not recommend that others did what I did, but would I meet others in a bar and then get in a car with them? That would depend on the naturalness of it and the time element invoved. Any, repeat any, warning would have sent me out of there in a hurry. It also helped that I understand spoken Russian (but they didn't know this until much later) and knew what they were saying amongst themselves. They were just good old boys and girls that would like to show their first American a better time than he was having up till then!

I know it sounds stupid, but sometimes you have to just trust your instincts and go with the flow! But if you do not have the instincts, stay with a group and go to tourist places. My self I love to explore and meet people especially in places like open-aire markets, local bars, etc., which sometimes leads to a little risk.

And it wasn't my first trip to Moscow, just my first since I retired from the military. And It was the first time I was actually allowed to explore the city and go where I wanted. Before, I would get off the plane, be taken to the Embassy, slept in the embassy and if I could talk a couple of marines into it, go to a local bar with them. Then straight back to the embassy. So although I was there before, I don't count it, since I wasn't free to explore.

Hope this gives everyone a little better understanding of my type of exploring. While I would be the first to tell you to be careful, sometimes you just have to try new things and experiences, but only if you are an experienced traveler with the right kind of instincts.

Be careful and happy hunting.

Handyman #2

Stravinsky;

Since I have already answered NY Monger at the same time you were posting yours, I hope that it also answered yours questions.

The part not answered about the electronic translator. I would be happy! Trying to answer their questions using a guide book of phrases is a pain! And I know that from experience, since we had to go to NY for meetings before the trip began, I was asked for directions by several nationalities. (Why is it that an out of towner is always asked for directions? I don't know the answer to that one!) If I could, I would always answer or stop someone local and ask them and then try to explain it to them.

Wouldn't you do this? If not, why not?

Thank You for the telephone translation. Maybe, I mislead people a little, I understand spoken Russian (from my military days), but my mid-western accent keeps me from speaking it very well. In Moscow, especially, they just seemed not to understand me. Novgorad and Saint Petersberg, I didn't have near as much trouble being understood. And my written Russian is non-existent. The ablity to understand what is being said, while the other parties thinks that you have very very limited Russian, leads to an ability to just know when to get out of a situation.

By the way, It turns out Nina is a good girl! We have been in email contact and I am getting to know her a little better. But who knows! The first time she asks me to send her money for anything will be the last email.

Be careful and happy hunting

Handyman #2

Stefano I have a friend in Moscow who can help you., I did try to send you a PM but I couldn't, my friend will be back from Germany to Moscow next week when are you planing to go to Russia?

Send me a PM to give you the info.

Ciao

Strav- must be that he's one of those
Steven Seagal/touch-of-death types
that can kill you with a hand shake.

Hell, I hooked up with 2 Syrian guys
that got me laid with a few phone calls,
but they thought I was KGB since my English
was so good. They wanted to see my flat,
so as they followed me up 5 flights of stairs,
I kept thinking they were going to stick a knife
in my back, but they didn't. They ended up
robbing me by charging me $100 for my
intro to the mamachka, but it was my first
trip and I didn't know anyone, and after that,
she only asked for $25 for each intro.

So sometimes doing something very stupid
ain't so bad, but if they had wanted to jack me,
I'd be bleeding out, another corpse that
deserved what he got up to no good in a strange
land. What a country!

Mangus Man;

Come on now, I have never claimed to be a superman, a James Bond or a Steven Stegal wanabe! But my demeaner, tells people that are not too drunk, that I can take care of my self and that I am not easy pickin's! If things do get nasty, a quick broken in-step makes it hard for someone to chase me.

I just believe that most people are good and if they feel the same about you that you will have a great time with them. While cons are plentiful, they are usually easily gotten around and seen thorough unless you are too drunk.

Take Care and Happy Hunting!

Handyman #2

Handyman2:

Personally I laud your courage on going on nightly escapades with a couple of strangers. Who dares wins. I often end up in great situations by taking such chances. Just as often I end up asking myself what in the hell I was thinking and how in the hell am I going to get back home. It is asking for trouble… but fuck it.

But still I doubt I would have done the same in the same situation you were in simply because I know that nightly escapades with Russian guys usually mean a lot of drinking and when Russian men start drinking it is very difficult to get them to stop drinking. After a huge fill of alcohol they become very moody and unpredictable. Usually it is harmless and could even be a lot of fun, but the potential for going sour is there, especially with strangers. With friends or at least acquaintances you can steer this a bit...at worst they will just become sullen or gloomy... but with strangers it is more difficult, at worst they may suddenly interpret your lacking Russian language skills as an insult or view you as a threat of some kind. In any case the situation could go from jovial to cold and dangerous very quickly. I also havent had too many experiences where drinking binges in mixed company have ended in sex with the girl of your choice. You have to get the girl(s) alone somehow. Your whole evening plan should have this as its goal.... if that really is what you are most interested in.

As for being able to take care of oneself… I am also confident in this regard, but you can be sure that if you get into any kind of altercation in Russia the chances of you losing one way or another are very very high. Russians are not only fearless when drunk, but also oblivious to pain, can be very violent and they are seldom without friends. Anybody with a bit of experience in Russia has seen whacky stuff like guys breaking bottles over their own heads and laughing, banging their heads against walls and other bizarre shit. So it is best to avoid any physical confrontation of that kind period. Save your energy for the ladies.

Also any contact with the militia/government should be avoided. As you experienced yourself they are nearly impossible to deal with and certainly impossible to reason with. Don’t expect the government officials you deal with on a business level to have any morals, scruples or follow any rules. They didn’t get to their position by being Mr.Nice Guy.

As for Russians getting into situations that could mean trouble with the militia, Muscovites in particular tend not to fear the militia nearly as much as foreigners do, viewing them more of as a nuisance than as a threat or danger. So they may lead you into situations they can easily get out of but in which their new foreign friend will have serious problems with. Less can happen to them than can happen to you. A lot can happen to you, depending on your level of connections.

HM2,

Well, since you put it that way... ;-)

I think NYM and I were simply concerned that others might read your post and think that your experience was just SOP for American tourists in Moscow.

I ask the question about the electronic translator simply because I never cease to be amazed at how we Americans expect the rest of the world to cater to us, and assume that every problem must have an electronic (or pharmacological) solution.

I've been trying to think of where your Russian friends might have taken you. The only space-needle-type structure that I can think of in Moscow would be Ostankino. It was the primary broadcast center for the SU and now, probably, for the Russian Federation. Which would account for all the communications equipment. It's actually a tourist attraction. They have a restaurant and an observation deck up on top. So basically, the guard was just allowing you an unscheduled after-hours tour.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Still striking out for a monger frienly place to stay during my trip. CAT? Where are you when I desparatly need your services of old. Got on to Stella on the the other WSG board. Seems like she offers a good service but seems to be a lot of carping but real undefined as to the problem. Need some help soon, Moscow rick doesn't answer emails.

JQ,

This may be a long shot, but you might try [url]www.unclepasha.com[/url]. He advertises a lot of apartment rentals. He's even advertising his own apartment in Moscow for rent.

Check it out and let us know what happens.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

JQ:

Ca_T’s old joint still exists… doesn’t run quite as well as it used to, but it still is one of the premier places for apartment rental.

[url]www.moscow-star.com[/url]

or try

[url]www.pulford.com[/url]

H2:

I agree with Strav’s analysis and would only add that it is good to take chances sometimes… much better than being one of the cowards who never leave the hotel lobby or only hit the 6 restaurants and clubs listed in the hotel-provided map.

Still, avoid any situation in which you have to deal with the militia or government. They truly are despicable.

Also, whether or not you are a tough guy or not (I also feel like I can carry myself) any sort of physical altercation will most likely leave you as the loser. Drunk Russian guys might be stupid, but they are also fearless and oblivious to pain. And almost never alone. Its their turf. Best to save your energy for the ladies.

Jackson:
Really wish I knew why I suddenly cant post pictures...

Stravinsky,

I know exactly what you mean about electronic and pharmacitical solutions! Several times in my travels, I have come across American tourists and businessmen that got irate, because either a menu or a bill did not have a translation (in a loud voice). If I was dressing "in country" I would ignore them!

My electronic translator was a crutch when I couldn't get anyone to understand my poorly spoken Russian. It came in handy on more than one occassion and if nothing else was a conversation piece. It wasn't a cheapey like some of the ones I have seen (that normally do several languages). It was solely Russian to English and the reverse. It could also download new additions from a web site; do sentence and paragraph translations too, instead of the a word by word as some of them. It was pricey at almost $400, but worked well in most cases.

A request in a civil tone, would always get my help (if I could), but a demand (in a loud voice) made me ashamed of them and I would act local! So a word to the wise, Remember you are representing your country - Do it proudly, but respectfully! It will pay back dividends to you and the ones that follow you!

I agree with you and NYM basically! But people can also be too careful and miss the real "flavor" of a country too! They should let the situation dictate their reactions to any particular experience. ANY bad feeling (assuming they are sober) should send them on a hasty retreat to a safe zone. Of course, the more they understand of the language, the wider they can range semi-safely.

And Ostankino, sounds like it could be the place. They had way too many parking spaces not to have been some type of tourist attraction or big restaurant. Do they have military guards there? The place we went was guarded by the military. I did see the observation platform, and I did see some signs for a coffee shop or restaurant that was closed.

I guess Uncle Pasha is out of the Biz, here's his reply to my inquiry


Sorry, I had do discontinue renting my apartment to pleasure seekers because they nearly always end up inviting trouble. Try others from [url]www.cheap-moscow.com[/url] or ask Olesya to make a round of calls on your behalf...

Pasha

JQ,

Sounds like he's still in business, he just doesn't rent his apartment to "pleasure seekers". Jeez... just exactly what did you tell him you were planning on doing in his apt. anyway? ;-)

This is disturbing, though. If Moscow-Star is no longer a reliable source, what's a fella to do?

Stravinsky

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]JQ,

This may be a long shot, but you might try [url]www.unclepasha.com[/url]. He advertises a lot of apartment rentals. He's even advertising his own apartment in Moscow for rent.

Check it out and let us know what happens.

счастливо,

Stravinsky[/QUOTE]Good apartments,, good site,, but Pasha's apartment is impossible to bring girls to.. he has a policy of cero tolerance whit escorts.

Read the feedback from the other apartments as a reference. good luck

I found Moscow an interesting but challenging place to find girls. This report is for people that do not know the city well, so for your experts/expats ingore this post.
One thing that baffled me was the addresses in Moscow. I was always looking for streets when I got an address (for example Puschinkskaya 62) until I realized that it is actually house number 62 at the Puschinskaya Metro station. Duh. So that way equipped I went to dosug.nu, got the translator page at Babelfish or Alta Vista (funny results) and called up the elite massage place. After one try, I got a girl on the phone who spoke some English and she gave me the adress (Puschinskaya). Into the metro (good fun, dirt cheap, culturally interesting and there are maps with characters in cyrillic and roman characters) and off to the right station. THen the challenge begins, especially since it was -18 C. I could not find my way, but I asked some friendly Russians who were passing by to help me call the number of the elite salon and talk to the people there in Russian to get directions. They then proceeded to help and actually walked me to the place. No idea if they figured out what I was up to, but they were very friendly, as I found the Russians in general.

After I found the place (the entrance is always unmarked and normally you have to call them when you stand in front of their door, cellphone a must...) you get invited into an appartment, that could double up as a family home. After shedding my winter cloth, I was in the sitting room introduced to three Russian beauties (no word of English or French or German or Spanish, so conversation was limited). I was equipped with a printout of dosug.nu (as one helpful WSG member suggested) so was able to express what I wanted (massage with sex). Apparently that ruled out on of the girls (go figure) and I chose a nice looking girl from the two others for the above. Then shower (nice facility) and massage followed by sex. Looks of the girl was 6-7 (if you like big girls), attidude good (7-8), price as advertised and overall experience very interesting and fun.

I have tried another place (Studenstkaya) about a year ago and I chose the double massage which was less fun (too stressful for me, somehow massage was two but sex only one). Also the place was less nice.

Happy hunting

HM2-

My concern is that others will read about your adventure and think that they, too, will escape unharmed. I am personally aware of many folks who have gotten into significant problems, with tough guys, militia, etc when they did what you did. Personally, I would not do, what you did, even in a NATO country. If I could send you money, I'd ask you to buy me lottery tickets.

If you, in fact, are who you say you are, I will only repeat that Russians have a very LONG memory - your passport set off bells the moment you applied for a visa or landed or crossed a border. The mere fact that the story you were told made so much sense, in a country where little makes sense, should have made you think twice.

As for smashing insteps etc and running, you speak Russian with an American accent, are registered with your visa and have nowhere to go if things got nasty. You were easily findable, and the blowback to others could have been significant. In the future, please consider that your actions may inadvertently put other Americans in harms way.

HM2,

I know what you mean, I try to disassociate myself from loud Americans as much as possible when travelling abroad. Never used a translator though. I always try to learn a little bit of the local tongue wherever I'm going, even when I went to England. LOL!

People are always so amazed to hear an American speaking their language (no matter how badly mangled) that it becomes almost an endearing quality and they will go out of their way to help you. But then, I have never travelled to Asia.

The guards you saw at Ostankino might have been military, or not. It's always difficult in Russia to tell who's military and who isn't. The Militsia, who are not regular Army, but more like local police, wear what would seem to me to be military uniforms. I have seen private security personnel hired to guard restaurants and nightclubs sporting camouflage, jump boots and Kalashnikovs.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Paul,

Which massage place was this on dosug.nu? Can you give us an idea of what prices were like?

NY Monger,

Don't get the wrong idea, I NEVER am the cause of an altercation and am a very civil type of guy. But some people tell me that I carry myself in a "don't mess with me" way. I am confident, but not over bearing. I make it a point of scoping out an area so that turf wars don't develop. I will often buy a friendly Russian lad a drink, before I would even consider talking to a certain lady, and have been pointed in the right direction to proceed on more than one occasion. In all my travels, I have been involved in very very few fights and they were in the distant past.

Plus this being a business trip, where I would be spending a considerable amount of time in country (2-4 years if I get the contract), I was on my best behavior. And I also needed to find out the feelings of the common man about town. Would they accept instruction from an American guy (resulting in a cheaper labor pool) or whether I should bring a much larger work force (big dollars) from the USA. I could have read thousands of articles and not gotten the "feel" I have from one night making new friends. One lesson, I learned is while Russian guys are somewhat pliable on a 1 or 2 on 1 atmosphere. When ladies are around they all want to be the leader/organizer. And when there are several men in a group, they seem to pick the biggest guy as the leader even if he isn't the brightest bulb in the pack. So what did I learn? Yes, I can hire locally, but will need to hire the biggest smartest guy as I can as the forman of the crew, so that he gives the orders to the workers, not me. Which changes how I normally do business, since I am a hands on supervisor.

Hopefully, you can see some logic behind what I did, because I did learn from my experience. And the only officials that I had dealings with were at the job sites that were in government buildings, and I never showed what I thought of them. In stead, I offered smokes, coffee, etc. to try to sway them our way. I left the "special gifts" to our guide and host company.

Stravinsky,

I always try to learn a little of each countries language too. The translator was a way for me to overcome the reading problem I have with crylic. But then I realized it was also a conversation piece to get things going. A little gimmick to bring people to me instead of me approaching them, which worked. That way people were less defensive. It also had a data bank that I would have them put their phone number, address and email address in themselves. It could also be hooked to a phone line to send and receive emails if I didn't have my laptop.

The uniforms, to be honest I don't know. They looked military to me, but will defer to your superior knowledge.

Come on Manhander.

The Doc has spoken. You got the mongerers go-for-it mentality,
you've seen more than most already, and the one-touch
instep-crushing death blow poison-tipped shoe blade to boot!

You're no longer required to apologize, are hereby released from
any further obligation to explain yourself, and now that you've
accepted this assignment, return to the field and proceed to
monger at will!

INITIATE DEBAUCHING MANEUVERS!

Just get the right charger so you don't fubar your recon this time.

H2:

Yeah, Mangus is right. Stop apologizing for being a wild man. When you are dead or wake up missing a kidney you'll realize you've gone too far. Until then its all good. The only thing you should apologize for is not banging Nina while you were in Moscow. An Army guy ought to know something about window of opportunity. :) I find it often easier to get a girl in the sack early in the game... if you spend too much time "building a relationship", even via e-mail, you may hypercomplicate the whole thing.

Dealdo:

Pasha's apartment dyev-proof? Not likely, I've banged easily more than a dozen chicks there, pro and freebie. You'll recognize the apartment in several of my pics. Or maybe I'm the trouble-causing pleasure seeker that made him shut down his operation?

[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Dealdo:

Pasha's apartment dyev-proof? Not likely, I've banged easily more than a dozen chicks there, pro and freebie. You'll recognize the apartment in several of my pics. Or maybe I'm the trouble-causing pleasure seeker that made him shut down his operation?[/QUOTE]Doctor Skank,

I'm sorry to inform you that this is a fact:

I was there last month.. Things were from bad to worst.. some guys before me brought girls in, and they took away a lap top, his cell phone etc.. So he was really mad.

Then the house keeper discovered me whit 3 chicks (they weren't pros by the way) in the morning and he almost kicked me out the place, he was very freaked out. He changed the locks and started sending the house keeper every morning to check out.

From there and on doesn't let get any devs in.. =(

I didn't want to post this because of privacy but people needs to know to not get spoiled the fun.

Anyways, Moscow being complicated and sometimes dangerous is a fascinating city full of surprices and magic.. can't wait to come back.. =.(

Good times to everyone.

DeAldo

I told him nothing other than I was coming to Moscow as a tourist and that's the reply I got. I did get a email from Oleska girl friday who is working to hook me up. She has a 1BR with a twin sized bed. Pictures look OK but I'll hang over all 4 sides of a twin.

I can get a rate at the Marriott, How are they with female visitors?

Can't figure out Moscow Rick. I called and the phone was answered by CAT's helper Sveta who I had contact with last time I was in Moscow. She emailed Rick was out of town and as soon as he returned (yesterday) she would have him email me. So far zippo!

Had a contact from Stella and I have been e mailing her back and forth. Kinda pricy and the other forum has some back and forth about her service. Anyone here know anything about it? It has some appeal for getting my feet on the ground. While I did OK last time simply winging it, I did waste a couple days stumbling around initially.

Boy do I miss CAT, Last time getting a place to stay was a breeze. Still need some help, the 16th is closing fast.

Are you in Moscow? I'll buy the first one. Goes for any of the other guys here.

JQ

Dealdo:

A real shame that people stole from Pasha. Pasha is a somewhat paranoid and overly sarcastic (even to the point of bitterness) fatalist, but those "qualities" made me like him. His sense of humour is blacker than coal and really refreshing. Cant believe some assholes would actually steal from him.

His loft apartment is one of my absolute favorites and the ladies really loved its cozy atmosphere... too bad.

JQ:

the Marriotts are all girl friendly but your girl may have to register at the desk. Not a problem usually, but if your girl has no docs whatsover (i.e. tochka) she may have a problem.

Has anyone encountered problems in that regard?

Take care and happy hunting all... and I hope the picture function starts working again soon...

JQ,

Yes, it's been a while since we've heard from CAT. Last time he reported, he was in BA. The only thing I can think of is that he's knee deep in chicas right about now. I've been in that situation before and know how difficult it is to get up for air.

Keep us updated with your apartment search. I'm hoping to be in Mockba this summer so I will be doing the same search myself here pretty soon.

Who's Olesya, and Stella?


HM2,

Not sure about your appraisal of Russian labor. I think most men will act differently in the presence of women, be it in Moscow, or Brooklyn.

I get the impression that you're thinking of doing some construction work in Russia. I would get myself a case of vodka and keep it handy in the trunk of my Zhigooli, maybe a few bottles of cognac. Here's a phrase for you, "Vodka boodyet" or "there will be vodka". It might come from the crew in the form of a question, as in "Will there be vodka?", in which case it can also serve as the response. Regardless of the situation, it hath charms to sooth the savage beast.

The Cyrillic alphabet is not nearly as daunting as most people might think. Most of the characters come from the Roman alphabet, some are pronounced the same and some differently, but they are all familiar. There are only a few completely new characters to learn. Get yourself a cheat sheet and you can learn it on your next flight over.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Doctor Skank,

I'm absolutely agreed whit you, Pasha is an awesome person, intelligent, sarcastic, intellectual, sharp honest, and a great human being,, we became good friends and I have high esteem for my uncle, There are some people everywhere who doesn't care about anybody, Moscow being a megacity full of problems and the second most expensive in the globe is very understandable that people living whit a poor salary became a scammer very easy. Too bad as you said.

For the guy who asked about Olesya; Olesya is Pashas right hand, she is very professional and super nice girl as well, very honest too. So if she can't find you a good deal apartment would be difficult somebody else can.

When you get to know people like then in Russia you start to understand why we love that country so much.

Good luck bro.

Stavinsky

Stella?

[url]http://33girls.com[/url] Go to [url]www.wsgforums.com[/url] for the other wsg board??? and there is a discussion there about her and her service.

Olyesa is working hard for me. . Moscow Rick finally called today but no e mail. says he has vacancies so we will see.

HM2, will you be in Moscow between the 16th and 25th and would like to meet and talk to you. I think we are in the same line of work (was for me, I'm retired) and I might be of some help to you, If not we can talk about women. I'm American also.

Staring to feel better about the trip so see you guys if we can hook up.

JQ

HM2- Good luck in Moscow! If you buy a lottery ticket and win, think of me and smile! ( Or proceed to nearest incall and have the best time of your life!)

A somewhat general question to those of you who travel/do biz in Russia - are you beginning to sense any concerns from Russians about the seemingly un-stoppable spread of 'velvet' revolutions and Russia's loss of influence in what were considered their direct circle of influence?

Sorry JQ my next trip isn't until the end of May and will only be in Moscow for a night or two and then off to the provinces (if you can call several 1M+ cities provinces). I do computer installations and interfacing as well as fiber-optic backbones, are we in the same line of work?

Stravinsky,

Thank you again for your inputs! They are always helpful! Do you agree with my assessment on the need to hire a very large, smart forman? Interested in your opinion on this.

NY Monger,

Thank you for your well wishes! Peace be with you!

HM2,

Read your PM.

OK, Apartment solved, Moscow Rick came through, then Oeyesa and then puliford so I had my choice and opeted for the Konown quanity(at least the Aprtments) so I'm on. See you guys on the 16th

JQ

by the by is the exchange rate still R30:$1

As a side note. I've known Moscow Rick for many years (since '99) and he's an honest straightforward guy. He certainly knows the city well, and the clubs. You could do far worse than deal with him. Probably your best best for a non rip-off apartment deal in Moscow.

Pulford I have used as a corporate client a few times (again they are old and well established) - good apartments centrally located (I have rented two at the top of Tverskaya) but expensive. Reliable Company though.

Saw Rick recently in Propaganda, the guy likes to party!

I found this long funny, but sad, story on another bulletin board. [url]http://www.exile.ru/2005-March-25/feature_story.html[/url] The writer, an American in Moscow, decides to test Viagra, Cialis and Levitra to see which works best, and he decides to make conditions harder for the performance. You'll have to read it to understand.

JQ... Sorry to take so long to respond. Glad you were able to hook up with Rick.

Back from BA, sitting on my ass in CA waiting to have my sinuses reamed out before I return to Moscow permanently. The only good thing is that the time gives me time to fully explore the new found pleasures of the AMPs in the City of Industry. Beautiful, young Korean girls. After a recent drought having been away from Moscow for a month plus and a rather disappointingly short visit to BA, the smooth skin and little bodies of these CoI girls are a pleasant relief!

HM2... One of the fun things about Moscow is that you never really know where an adventure will lead you. IMHO, it is a little risky to head off with a couple of Russkis who you just met... no matter how close a relationship you've developed in the last half-hour. If you had a wingman, it would be a different story, but alone is a recipe for a hurt. At the same time, I will caution everyone that trusting everyone is a good rule in Western countries, but the rules are not necessarily the same in the FSU. As an aside... When I rented apartments to Westerners they seldomn even asked about the triple locks, steel doors and the security entrances. When I rented to Russians now living in a Western country, ALL they wanted to know about were the triple locks, steel doors, were there two doors with deadbolts, was there a concierge/attendant on the door with outside entry security! Do they know something that we don't?

All in all, all's well that ends well! However, as someone mentioned, it is the total newbie who reads the report and then mis-reads a situation and jumps in a car with two Russians and is never seen or heard from again who needs to hear another side to the story!

Shos... I have heard on the street that Doug has leased a new spot for the "New Boarhouse". I have also heard that the Old CF will stay open probably through the end of the year. This seems to jive with Martin's comments.

As far as my plans... I keep getting PMs asking. I will return to Moscow on a permanent basis on 11 May. I plan to stay there until early November with a few trips to the Ukraine and also the month of August in Odessa. In November, from there I plan to spend 6 weeks in SE Asia, but my plans are up in the air except that I know I will hit Thailand, Cambodia and maybe Burma and Vietnam. Then, after a short visit back to CA, I plan to head back to SEA in January until March/April and then back to Moscow for the spring hormone renewal.

Ca-T You really know whow to enjoy life,, good for you.. =)

I'm sorry to hear that Baires wasn't too good for you.. I offered you my help but you didn't check the forum I guess.

Well, Baires for me is awesome, I was able to meet a LOT of hot chicks and the prices are very low now,, picking freebies in the bars and dance clubs is very easy just as easy as Moscow or US but you need some spanish or Latino friends.. I had a blast last time and I will go back in Jun, I wil stay there 15 days and then I wil fly to Brasil.. 15 more days in that paradise.

So if you want to go I can hook you whit the best chicas and garotas.

I have a lot of friends there also, they could had helped you. Hopefuly next time.

young Korean girls
return to Moscow
a few trips to the Ukraine
August in Odessa.
6 weeks in Asia,
Thailand,
Cambodia
Burma and
Vietnam.
back to SEA
then back to Moscow

Could this be why they call you Traveler?

I'll be joining right up with you just as soon as I hit the Lottery.

MM... actually most people just call me horny! Traveler is just the means to the end... Life is good! At least as long as the airline miles hold out...

Dealdo... I wasn't clear about BsAs. The trip was disappointingly SHORT! I had to leave after only one week instead of staying. Turns out that I had eaten some bad pork while I was there so it was just as well that I was in CA to deal with the consequences of that. Serves me right... who goes to Argentina to eat porK? :(

I just got this email from my friend, who also happens to an apartment agent. She wrote me this email today:

"I spent the whole day today being questioned by milicia men, coz one of my tenant was attacked and robbed at the apartment!!!
First he told that just a couple of guys were waiting for him near the apartment, then he told me that he met a girl before.
Can you imagine that this idiot met a girl (ON TVERSKAYA!!!)
Invited her to the restaurant and when returned with her to the apartment was attacked by 2 guys with a gun. The girl disappeared, he was beaten, robbed and left at the apartment with his heands and legs bind...Finally they made him drink something so he fall a deep sleep...

The moral is DO NOT MAKE ANY AQUAINTANCES on Tverskaya and places like this!!!!
Promice me that you 'll behave yourself here, in Moscow, I don't want you to get in trouble and horrified at the prospect of experiencing this again!!!

I think it's a good idea to prepare the instructions to the foreigners and make them sign before they go into town:-)
Hope that you know everything, but still you should be more carefull in Moscow (as in any other cities i guess)...
I'll need your help in writing the instructions...:-)"

Take her warning for what its worth (I am happily one of those "idiots" who keeps meeting girls everywhere... and will continue to do so) but yeah fellas, you, me and all of us really should pay extra attention to whats going on. Seems to me that such incidents are occuring more frequently in the last 6 months. Just a gut feeling.



I think it would be a good idea to be wary of girls who seem overly anxious to meet you or approach you. They may very well have alterior motives.

Something to always remember when you are travelling anywhere in eastern Europe, not just Russia or Moscow, is that any Westerner will stick out like a sore thumb.

There is a common understanding among people in eastern Europe that foreign tourists carry lots of valuables, particularly cash. This may not actually be the case so much any more, what with banks, credit cards and ATM's much more accessable nowadays; nonetheless, the thinking among the locals remains the same.

So basically, you are a target.

If you're staying in one of the big international hotels, then you will be protected by their security, at least while you are in the hotel. That has it's good points and bad.

Apartment dwellers in particular should be aware that if you are staying in an apartment that is rented on a regular basis, then by definition, everyone in the building will know that you are a foreign tourist, and all that implies. This is not to say that you shouldn't stay in an apartment, simply to remind that if you do, then the burden of security falls completely on you.

Remember, even in an immense city like Moscow, it is impossible for a Westerner to be inconspicuous. Someone will always have their eye on you, and their intentions cannot be known.

So let your big head do the thinking.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Dr Skank, Stravinsky,

You are right. Moscow is getting more dangerous now. And we all are target from people looking for your wallet.

If you go to the metro you will see suspicious guys stalking on you especially if you bring out your metro map to find your destination.

Militia asked me 500 rbls because my registration wasn't correct, (supposedly), (but the taxi cab was full of drunk dyevushkas and making too much noise) Another time militia asked me for 1000 rbls because I pick a toshka girl in Leningransky (I know what is a toshka now! is correct toshka? ) and the girl didn't have her ID.

Also in one of my friends apartment somebody stole my camera and my MP3 player. (But that night I left my stuff there and I didn't come back because I met a girl in a dance club and she took me to her apartment). so anything can happen to anyone if you're gonna look for fun.

But I can't say that Moscow is the most dangerous cities of the world. Mexico City and Caracas Venezuela are way more "peligrosas".

I know if I where just a "day time Tourist" the possibilities of being robed would decrease more than 70%. That's the price of the fun, too bad =(.

Ca-T,

What a bad luck in Buenos Aires for you, but well, the "asados" made of pork and beef are a big temptation in Argentina you just can't control the appetite. I will be very careful and will pass on pork meat, but most of the meat I'll eat will be "gatita" meat; ) as a buffet. =) I hope.

Strav and Dealdo:

Thanks for your comments.

It is hard to say if Moscow is getting more dangerous... actually I doubt that it is. The 90's were exceedingly violent in Moscow. However it does seem that tourists and businessmen are being more overtly targeted for scams and crimes.

Perhaps as more tourists and businessmen come to Moscow and as the gap between super rich and poor in Moscow shows no signs of closing, the temptation to target well-fed foreigners has increased.

Moscow is not only expensive for Westerners who frequent luxury restaurants, clubs and hotels, but also daily life in Moscow is expensive for average Moscuvites as well. The jealousy and desperation of those trying to get ahead in society who dont have a legitimate means of doing so is high.

I have been lucky I suppose, dozens of girls have stayed in my apartments and only rarely have I taken all the proper safety measures, such as locking the door from the inside and hiding the key. With pros I am more cautious of course, but with non-pros I treat them with a great degree of trust. I've never been stolen from and the girls have had plenty of opportunities. My naivety has served me well so far.

Curiously enough, I trust St.Pete girls far less than Moscow ones. Especially St.Pete pros seem a bit shady.

The militia problem also seems to be worsening. On two separate recent nightly excursions together with Shos we were stopped after leaving CF. Both times we didnt have girls with us, but we still had to go through the annoying registration routine. Both times we got off without bribing them, we stuck to our guns and refrained from speaking Russian...which we are both capable of. On both occassions they left disappointed and a little disgusted with us... we were happy to send the bastards home without their lunch money. Had we had girls with us I am sure that we would have had to pay something or at least have had a more intense "discussion".

In any case, be vigilant.

P.S. The "kidnapped" guy was a 40-yr old Italian and met the chick near the Pushkinskaya McDonalds (an Italian should have known better than to trust a girl that goes to McDonalds!)... really quite a miracle that he survived. He was bound and gagged and left in the apartment, which was locked from the outside. The thugs had taken all his money and phones and taken the phone cord for the apartment phone. So after he somehow freed himself from his binds, he then had to contact someone. Russian walls in old buildings are very thick, as are the doors. No chance of breaking this. By some miracle he found a second telephone cord and remembered the number of the agent. Movie-quality stuff. What a nightmare. I hope that the chick was at least cute and that he got her phone number to arrange a second date. The first one went kind of sour. :)

Doc,

You're right, he should have been very suspicious about meeting a dyev in McDonald's. Generally speaking, the more comfortable you feel, the more it will cost you. Watch out for the big nightclub downtown, where the girls have names like Barbi and Valerie, serves American whiskey amd everyone speaks some English. Give me the little club outside the Ring, where they only serve vodka and Baltika and I can while away the night with Ksiusha, Tanyshka and Svetochka.

I'm sure the Militsia targets Night Flight specifically because they know it has a high percentage of foreign tourists.

Which prompts me to ask... can you or CAT, or anyone-else-who-might-know, give us a definitive statement on just exactly what kind of credentials we need to take with us when we go out, particularly if we're headed out for a long night/morning on the town. Obviously you need your passport and registration. But I seem to recall there has been some mention that the Militsia also want to see your plane ticket? To show that you will be leaving the country. Is that true?. Is there anything else we need? Is it acceptable to carry photocopies of these documents?

Just exactly how do you know when to "stick to your guns" and when to pay up.

Stravinsky

Pardon me for jumping into the discussion guys, but I think we are losing the focal point. Every now and then a story pops up about some guy being beaten up by locals. Let’s make the following comparison: I live in a big city, have never been into the wilderness and don’t even think about survival in nature. So when I would go hunting for grizzlies in Alaska on my own I would get into deep shit. I know that, and therefore I don’t. Some rangers told me that they deliberately wait for helping such blokes when they got into trouble just to teach them a lesson.

If someone wants to go hunting for dyevs in the wild, completely unprepared for the problems that he might run into, he deserves a lesson too. Guys like him should stay in the safety of a $$$ hotel, driven around on guided tours by Intourist, pay $$$ for hotel girls and only be allowed to walk on the Nevsky or Arbat between 11AM and 1PM. Everyone who read at least the threads of the last two years should be able of staying away of most kinds of trouble.

PtG.

strav,

i wouldnt really agree that girls in the expensive central clubs are inherently less honest than those outside the ring, they are just more spoiled and better at playing with men. cant really blame them. the good looking ones get a lot of attention. that $400 cell phone your sexy unemployed 20-year old girlfriend has? she didn’t get it from her grandmother. besides that, most girls in central clubs dont actually live in the center, but just as far outside of it as anyone else.

still i think central club girls are the best targets simply because they are so often great looking and if you can get past 1st base it isn’t far to home plate. incidentally i also find that if i am not getting anywhere with a particular girl it is better to give up and move on than keep whipping a dead horse. this goes for club action as well as date action. if it isnt going well it is probably not going to spontaneously heat up. the great thing about moscow is that there are always plenty more fish in the sea.

those girls in clubs outside the ring can be equally hot and are usually more impressed by your foreigner status and your presents, however their friends can be suspicious of foreigners. this is usually easily defused if you are a decent guy though. russians can be remarkably normal people.

i honestly havent been able to determine any increased frequency of scoring at the clubs outside the ring vs. those in town. like many i would logically conclude that going out beyond the garden ring and into “russia” (as opposed to central moscow which is an anamoly of its own fantastic kind) would yield some sort of latent wgf… however this hasn’t really been the case. i’ve scored often enough there… and also struck out rather unceremoniously… basically the same as i do in the center. sometimes i meet with “wow! you are an american.” and just as often with “you are an american, who gives a fuck.” even more often your foreigner status is just a curiousity and the real challenge lies in utilizing your communication skills/charm. in the end it is the same story. if you can get into a conversation that lasts more than 5 minutes and tweak her interest your chances are good.

one problem i often have is that my excursions outside the ring are usually solo endeavours... and a lone 30+ foreigner outside the ring hitting on 18 yr old dyevs may yield good results occasionally, but it can also viewed be viewed as predatory by the locals, so one has to be a bit careful. and striking out once or twice when alone can defuse your mojo. striking out when with mates is usually laughed off quite easily and considered part of the sport. adding a wingmen completely changes the situation and you go from desperate predator to jovial international playboy on holiday.

as far as meeting strange girls, meeting a girl at mcdonalds is also absolutely legitimate in my book... there is no sop on where to meet a girl and i think our unfortunate italian friend (cant blame the poor guy for wanting to get laid) had rather bad luck and probably did a poor job of judging his target. i'd be suspicious of any perfect stranger ultra anxious to meet me despite a lack of common language etc. honestly speaking though, i doubt that would keep me from trying to get in her pants. same thing could have happened to any of us. these recent events have certainly increased my wariness, even if they wont affect my libido.

militia:
militia dont specifically target people leaving nf (night flight) as the clientele there is likely registered in hotels and the girls almost always have their docs. besides that, stopping people on tverskaya is impractical for them. the majority of their stops when targeting mongerers are on the ring roads or on the main thoroughfares such as leninsky and leningradsky prospekt. and yes, they do specifically target us, mongers holding foreign passports.

which brings us to cf (chesterfields/boarhouse), which is conveniently on the ring road. lately the militia has been staking out that place and stopping people a kilometer or two down the road after they leave it. i experienced this twice in two trips to cf during my last weekend in moscow at the beginning of april. shos reported the same to me during his recent trips there.

always popular for stops are the tochka areas on leninsky, leningradsky and near the triple train station. i like to call bringing your tochka girl home unrep001hed "running the gauntlet".

if you are registered in a hotel you generally have no problems, however the militia will try to discover a problem. to avoid this i recommend bringing your hotel room pass with you. they often ask for it, hoping you dont have it. same goes for your boarding pass stub for those cases where your arrival to moscow was from another city such as st.pete. you have to prove when you arrived in moscow, not when you arrived in russia. i keep this stub with me, or train ticket or whatever. i havent personally experienced the departure ticket scam, but certainly a photocopy would suffice here. i wouldnt want to risk losing my return flight ticket.

none of their probing is legit, its all a scam. it is a good feeling to have all this documentation shit with you. you will likely defeat them. if in a hotel with registration stick to your guns, speak only english. they really have nothing.

if in a apartment, make sure you write the apartment address in the "host organization" block of your entry card. this gives you three days registration time instead of the one day limit for hotel guests. if stopped within those three days, stick to your guns and keep repeating “three days” etc. and they’ll likely give up. remain cordial, confident and calm. and speak english. i only resort to russian when the situation really looks bleak.

i haven't paid in any of my last 5 militia stops.

that said, i know people that have paid despite all their best efforts. if they really want to push the issue they will find a way to fuck you. sure if you call your embassy, lawyer etc. you will win. but who wants to go through that hassle, especially at 4am? if it is a payment situation i suggest solving it with a quick 300 rubles or a 500 ruble note. don’t show them much cash, they’ll get greedy. and don’t get in the car and let them drive you some place where they can put the heat on you. that will cost you $100. never happened to me, but i know plenty of guys that have had to pay in that situation.

usually of the group that stops you, there will be 1 guy in charge. this is not necessarily the one checking your docs initially. after the initial guy finds a problem, the boss will come over. i usually turn my back to the others and slip him some cash. that usually ends the situation immediately.

another method i use when the girl is taken to their police car is to have the taxi driver do the talking/bargaining. give him 700 rubles or so and he can usually bargain her free for this price and she will be let go. again, ymmv.

long story short, bring the following with you:

passport
arrival/departure card (with either hotel or apartment address entered as host org)
hotel pass (if staying in hotel)
boarding pass stub if arriving from another russian city
photocopy of departure flight (never experienced this personally)

hotel guests will get registered at the hotel and this will appear on your arrival/departure card, keep this with you.

apartment guests will have to get registered by the person who arranged their visa or by any of the other methods mentioned.

Hi fellow members, I want to put my one euro here and tell you my experience in Piter last september; Doc I don't remember if I told you about this or not.

I had an apartment and I usually every day left it about early in the afternoon and come back about evening, one day I come back after few hours cause I was tired and I wanted to sleep more, so I comeback, I put the key inside the door and I found the door is not blocked, it was open, I opened the door and I found inside my flat one old woman about 60-70 years and one very young girls about 20 y.o..

You can easily imagine how I was suprised to find two foreign persons inside my flat! Immediately the young girl started to speak italian to me, she knows I am..., and told me that she stayed in my flat with her italian boyfriend and forget her cell phone and immediately she and old woman that she told me was the owner of the flat, left the flat. They didn't find the cell phone and they apologize that use the key of old woman, owner, to get into my flat.

I was so surprised that I was without words!

The "strange" thing was that it was my 5th or 6th day, so I am sure that they were inside my flat not to search cell phone..

I only can imagine what happened if I didn't come back early that day...

And the city was Piter and not Moscow..

I guess how can be the situation in Siberia where surely much less foreign turist and many women looking for foreign person-husband..
I think that may be in Siberia not so dangerous as in the two biggest cities but it is only my idea, what about your idea about Siberia?

Doc I miss, and surely not only me.., your foto.

Dear members I wish You all happy hunting in gold land Russia.

PtGI:

First of all thanks for your St.Pete reports, they're really great.

Safety in Moscow:

I agree with you in principal that Moscow isnt really more dangerous than other large cities, however the stories of what has happened and can happen are relevant and interesting.

* I WAS drugged at CF, one of the most popular expat hangouts in Moscow.

* Lukasek's apartment WAS broken into while he was out on the town.

* The Italian guy I mentioned WAS beaten and robbed for doing something we all like to do... meet Russian girls and take them back to the apartment for a cup of tea and a poke.

* The militia in Moscow DOES specifically target mongers.

I am sure there are other WSG memebers who have had similar things happen to them, stolen cameras etc... like almost happened to you in St.Pete.

These stories arent intended to scare anyone away or make anyone paranoid. As you know I have always encouraged people to go out in the "wild" away from the normal expat hangouts and explore.

These stories are intended to keep people vigilant and know what dangers are out there so that they can do their best to avoid falling into the same traps. And these stories are to help we mongers prepare for our Alaskan Grizzly hunting trip. Furthermore, neither I, nor Lukasek, nor the Italian guy were behaving in a particularly reckless manner. What happened to us could very easily happen to anyone else. So lets learn from this.

Re: your apartment agent "friend"

Funny thing is, she sent me basically the same email, with one difference ... she didnt include this line:

"Promice me that you 'll behave yourself here, in Moscow"

I can only assume she had specific reasons she wanted YOU to promise to behave yourself. What might they be? ;-)

How I Wish the Power of Just being good prevails, Why can't it just be ABCD, Why just so much complexities in just being good and doing good.

I'm not a white guy, I'm asian and I have saved my penny's to make sure that i would go to russia, The land of endless beauty and get my share of dreams.

I'm following the events closely from last three months and my preparations for going to moscow are well over 1 year now.

I observed that in past couple of months, the violance has gone up considerably, one asian guy was whacked near the airport for no reason, just for few dollars the poor guy got axed. The authorities are still investigating, they blame the skin-heads are to be blamed.

And now after reading recent post's, shall I put up my dreams of going to russia, i'm not white, I wouldn't be able to gel in quite easily, I would be an easy target to the skin - heads, militia, every crook in moscow street and top of it, i may be charged a bit more than usual for the services.

In Short if you think, its dangerous for you to go in, then just multiply 10 times to think about non-whites state of mind of going into moscow in these times.

Ha, like ally mc'beal's john would say, let me say that again ""HA""....Who cares !!

Lets just go in Tons to moscow now. This is the right time for us to show in the power of just being good. Do not give in to the power of evil and bad.

Let BE the truth and good times prevail...practically :)

Just becasue evil happens to be strong this time, I'm not going to stay behind and wait for the good times to come.

I think if violence against tourist continues, the authorities will be pressurised to make some law to protect the tourist, the western media will take notice and inturn the respective givernments will issue travel warning not to travel to russia, which putin won't allow as it would be a major embarassment to the government in line they would be like Iraq, Afganistan et all..

So folks, Tour in to moscow, [url]www.znakomstva.nu[/url] , How can I stop myself if I visited this site.

Doc,

I didn't mean to say that the girls downtown are less honest, just that the convenience of the central clubs will cost you. Just like the convenience of picking up girls in McDonalds will cost you.

I would think it a little odd to be approached by a beautiful young Russki dyev while eating at McDonalds, particularly a complete stranger who is hot to get into my pants and my apartment. But then, again, I think it's a little strange to be eating at McDonalds in the first place. Who knows, maybe this guy looks like Alain Delon and gets hit on all the time by young women. It would definately set off an alarm bell for me! The scary part is... I'm not sure it would be loud enough to save me. After all, there's no fool like a middle-aged fool.

I think we all understand the kinds of dangers that any traveler might encounter in a large city, particularly when you're running around until all hours of the morning. What is particularly disturbing about the story of the Italian guy is that this was not a crime of opportunity. The Italian was specifically targeted. They knew who he was, where he lived and enough of his habits to know that he could be approached at McDonalds. The girl was sent in specifically for the purpose of enticing him back to his apartment, where her friends were waiting for him. In fact, it's clear that he was targeted because he was staying in an apartment. As many of us do.

So now we have to raise the bar a little higher when it comes to vigilence. Not only do we have to be concerned about our immediate surroundings, but we have to think about the unknown stranger may have been following us around since we arrived in town. And that sweet young thing tickling our ego may not necessarily believe that we are the suave, intelligent, witty, bon-vivant that we like to think we are.

Bummer.

But don't let this stop you, Born Loser. Beauty is dangerous, that's what makes it so exciting. To be forewarned is to be forearmed.

Lukasek, what happened to you is not all that unusual. In the old Soviet era apartment buildings, where the same families have been living next to each other for decades, it's not unusual for the neighbors to have keys to each other's apartments.

One would hope, however, that when an apartment rental agency takes on the responsiblity of letting out an apartment on a regular basis that one of the first things they would do is change the locks!

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Doc,

Thanks for the nice words. I agree with you hat you might run somewhat easier into trouble in Russia than in most other cities. And my phone was almost stolen, that’s true. Being prepared usually decreases the potential damage. On the other hand, the longer you stay in Russia, the higher the probability that you will run into something. Compared to that it underlines your veteran status because so little happened to you for this extended period while other people can run into trouble already from the very first day they arrive.

I only want to say: Russia is a different country. I had the feeling when I was walking through the streets that my senses were sharper, prepared for anything that might pop up unexpectedly. I guess you know the feeling. You seem to live more intense in Russia. The next time I will be in Russia for an extended period. A few things are sure: 1) I will fuck dyevs, 2) something will happen, whatever it will be.

PtG.

I don't know if people knows, I was curious, most of us start looking for dyevs in the internet right?

Well, I had some girls selected in my "must to see" list unfortunately nobody help me to confirm the authenticity of these sites.. So I got to Moscow blind as a bat..
I found that many of the agencies that post in this site [url]http://ww30.prastitutki.ru/index2_en.htm[/url] are fake pictures.. you guys can find a LOT of pornostars almost all the girls advertising services for 150 Dlls per hour are not real.. I visited a couple privs in downtown and the reality was completely opposite. or anybody can tell me what of these "playmates" are really working in Moscow?? what about this one? [url]http://ww30.prastitutki.ru/show_anket_page-1_gr_id-645.htm[/url]

It is really a place you can pick this kind of girls for those prices?

Thanks to all

And please don't spoil this kind of scammers.. if the supermodel doesn't work there, don't pay those prices, because they keep tricking us out, it's so frustrating go so horny expecting to score whit Britney Sky and find out Rosy O'Donell instead. =(

Good happy hunting

DeAldo

I wanted to throw in a word of caution here as well. Because Russia had, or has, a multitude of agencies/dep'ts that provide some sort of law enforcement/security/intel apparatus, it is difficult to truly understand to a foreigner how deep you may be in trouble.

Also, and this was several years ago, a guy who used to work for one of these semi-police type groups called, I think, Petrovka, told me they would go into foreigners places and leave some coke/heroin or some white powder and then when you're there enter and arresst you. No matter how caring your embassy is, once they're told illegal drugs are involved they dont jump in with 2 feet to free you. Be very careful about who is in your place or if things dont look right when you return.

I'm wondering as well, is the police activity/violence y'all are seeing mostly against westerners or can you say more prevalent versus Americans than say germans?

As a semi-follow-up to Dealdo's post, what are the options generally for the top grade girls in Moscow? I know you can occasionally come across a real knock-out at NF, and there are plenty at some strip clubs. But I was hoping for some place where you could get them more consistently than NF, and for a more meaningful encounter than what you can usually get with a stripper.

I remember seeing some site some time ago which claimed to be an agency offering actual models and had a bunch of photos including some professional and runway shots, with the girls priced at a grand and more. Anybody know what it was, and if there are any other options? I'm going to Moscow again soon, and the thought of spending a slow weekday night at CF / NF is becoming a little depressing.

Dealdo,

Read my posts in the St. Petersburg section about photos. If you take a better look at the first photo you see some vague horizontal curved lines in the left upper corner. This might be what is called a moiré effect, mostly caused when photos from a magazine are scanned with a scanner whose resolution is about the same as the resolution of the photo. When a "normal" photo is scanned, you dont see that effect, though good software can remove it. I don't say this chick doesn't exist, however there is a high probability that she never existed in that agency/apartment.

Use your senses. Photos/prices that are too good to be true usually are too good to be true.

The best way to check is call her, ask for her name and ask her if she's the same girl on the photo. Many scammers will then admit that she is "temporary unavailable" and offer another girl.

It needs some experience but I would judge this chick as "not available".

PtG

Got here about 5pm yesterday completely exhausted from a three day FKK excursion and no sleep period Friday night. Ahshot from Moscow Rick was there to pick me up. Great guy, CAT fixed me up with him 1st time here last Aug for a Tocska tour.

I told him I was going to have to get some sleep but about 9:30 I wanted to head tp CF. Well, I slept until 10:30 and by the time I called him he had decided I was passed out for the night and he made a run out of Moscow. I told him not to come back in and we would hook up today.

I was pretty hungary and figured WTF I would venture a cab to NF. That went real well. The cabbie didn't speak english and my Russian is halting plus he had never heard of NF. Nonetheless I sorta remembered the address and off we went. His instincts were spot on and 2 blocks after turning on to Tvarsesky (sp) we were there at #13!

Had dinner and then plunged into the mass in the lounge. I had earlier spotted a sweetie going to the WC while I ate and was kinda looking for her. Sure enough there she was. We talked and she was a definate sweetheart, a $500, sweetheart for sure, but a sweetheart at any rate. Had to throw her back....sigh.

Oh well onward. Attracted the attention of others who left nothing to be desired but didn't get a vibe from any of them I was after. Then, Tatianna sat down and she was it and we were out of there. Unfortunately my insticts failed me as she was diligent but detached and I sent her on her way this AM with $200...sigh.

So here it is about 2pm Sunday and I'm rested and ready. The question is now what? I have some choices but lack the specific experience what to pick for Sunday action so I'm consulting the all knowing Vets of the Moscow WSG for advice. My thought is to whistle up Ashot and make a Tocska tour but still want to hit CF. I am open for advice for these choices or others and would welcome it eagerly.

I am at one of Rick's Apts on Gilarosky street and the phone # is 207 8592 if any mongers are up for some chasing tonight or any other time in the next 8 days.

A lot of talk about safety, and while important, there is a lack of the kind of information I'm going to need on my upcoming trip.

Will be in Moscow in August. What is the safest and most reasonable and economic way to get laid? Is there some kind of local guide who can show us the 'sights'? How about Moscow Rick? If so, how can I contact him? Or what else should I know? In what part of town, or hotel should we stay? What are the best clubs or places to go to find the girls? Any information would be greatly appreciated, especially on parts of town and hotel.

Thank you.

JQ: definitely for nigh hunting the best options in my opinion is CF and the tochka tour.. there is a place by Kursky metro but unfortunately the move constantly because the militia bug them a lot.. there are not to many but the few ones I saw where 8-9 young cuties.. this girls start early and go home early too 7:30 till 10:30 approx.. probably Rick can tell you.. in CF the best time is at 11 PM be patient and wait for all the dyevs to get there before somebody else choose the good ones..
NF is not my favorite place,, girls are very spoiled they think are the supermodels from Moscow.. Sincerely I had found the same quality in other places for the half of price,, NF in my opinion is for rich tourists who don't care to spend their money and crash the market out.

After 10 PM the best places for picking up tochka girls are Leningrandsky and Stalingrandsky, way far from the ring but well worth it the trip.

There is a prive near the university where you also can find nice girls 24 hrs
2000 RBIs the hour.. just to back up in case you can't find anything else.

Before night is a good option and many ads in the Internet.. from 50 dlls to 100 dlls DO NOT pay more you can find the same for less. If need telephones just send me a PM.

If you look for freebies most of the bars and dance clubs are optima but I heard there are some girls just hunting your wallet,, I was lucky not any girl did this to me so I ignore which are the places to be alert.

Good luck bro.

DeALdo

JQ,

Я поздравляю Вас с вашим прибытием в Москву !

Good to see that all your preparation paid off. I envy you. I’m sure we’re all looking forward to some first hand reports. I don’t know how comfortable you are with your Russian skills, but if you want to try contacting some internet dyevs I can give the phone numbers. Sunday afternoon in Moscow with nothing in particular to do? I’d try the Tretyakov.

Dealdo – The best way to verify the accuracy of the internet dyevs is to read the posts from the local h@mbres on sextalk.ru. It seems to be understood that the girl you see in the photo will not be the girl who answers the door and typically they will comment that a girl is 60% like the photo or 80% like the photo. It’s rare to find one who is сто процентов Here’s one who comes highly recommended:

[url]http://devushki.nu/ankets/1899/[/url]

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Steven… RTFF!

Safest? Hotel pros, NF, internet call-in, Safari Lodge strip club, Shandra

Reasonable, economic? : internet and cf

Night life guide: Try it by yourself, it aint that hard if you stick to the easiest well-documented methods posted here.

Hotel: stay in the center or at least inside the garden ring. DON’T STAY IN ROSSIA OR ANY OF THE SOVIET ERA HOTELS!

Best clubs (for pros): NF, CF, Shandra, Safari Lodge etc.

Dude, all this information has already been posted 2 dozen times. Do your homework before you go.

One o nine that's a very good question. I haven't found a place where you can see only 9-10s girls.

As you mentioned Night Flight eventually has one or three drop dead gorgeous. But they are aware of their beauty and the prices that Industrials and politicians can pay,, it wont be surprising to hear $500 or $600 and they don't stay all night long ... they always want to come back before the night is gone to rip some other big fish out.

Strip clubs sometimes have incredible estates made by Michael Angelo. BUT they don't provide sex service. grrrrrrrr

What I do is to pay for a private dance. Try to get her horny and then ask for her telephone number.. next day I call her, dinner drinks and the whole play, but is a lot of investing of energy and time, and sometimes is not very easy, they have boyfriends, a dramatic life to cover during the day, school, pimps, lack of money or just they don't like you.

In Rhino, Platinum, Divas, and Mister XXX you may find them.. If somebody knows a better way to get laid whit this strippers Please let us Know!

PtG: Gracias for the info about the pictures. I think we imagine that something "too good to be true" in this business si simply a trick, but we want very much to believe that this is our lucky day to hit the brains out of Aria Giovanni. This kind of forums are a life saver for us.. I'll try to be more realistic and less dreamer.

It would be very nice that we shared our best experiences, that way all of us can have better times and less frustrations =)

The best girl I was lucky to see and taste in Moscow is in the Internet anymore,, but if anybody want her number I have it, no idea if she still on biz now, but she is a 9 in my scale. No English is the bad part.

Stravinsky: THANK YOU veryyy much for the information,, is a shame I didn't know about her being in Moscow :banghead: .. and I can't go until August. but she will be my first try as soon as I get there.

I know about sextalk.ru. I visited the page but my Russian is minus Zero =(
next time I will need some friends to tell me about my selections.. this forum really help!! thanks again dude.. =)

Doc: do you have the address of Shandra, Safari and Ooh Lala? I couldn't find them and no taxi driver knew about them =(

Have a good one guys.

DeaLdo

Unfortunately I am not living in Moscow but I arrange weekend tours twice a month.

38 hours long sinful and joyful Moscow trips. As long as you have cash anything and everything is possible.

As foreign mongers we are potential targets for crimes. Some girls may ask $200 for an hour our Russian buddies may spent thousands of $ in couple of hours and Shandra or else, but still there are lots of people hunger for good life.

Anyway, ripp offs and small crimes are part of Moscow. Dyevs know that you are the just one purpose, spend cash load of money for hot Russkie babes.

In my humble opion NF has the best quality girls but that does not mean that the service will be great-just luck.

CF turn into brothel, you may hang out couple of times but the quality is going down.

Shandra is the best club for sex at the private rooms, most of the strip clubs are unfortunately bad copies of american style.

Bars/Discos catching a frebbie is always an option but watch out, wallet may not be the only valuable you may lose.

Internet girls, %60 of them are accurate and girls are real. You may find real pros from zna.nu and intimcity.ru My buddies and I tried lots of girls from both sites.

Saunas still looking a good one.

Instead of staying at a hotel, I prefer apartments(well I have lots of friends). Both have different advantages.

Safety rules are simple, never ever speak Russian with Milita. If you feel or tasted weird, don't finish your drink. Try not to stand too long infront of the metro maps or try not to use toursit booklets or guides.

Try to learn how to read Cyrillic alphabet. Learn the basic dialogs. Never ever use the regular taxi. Never ever fight with bodyguards or other Russians customers.

Never ever carry to much cash and credit card. Don't carry your money in one pocket. Try to look what you are doing and where you are going.

You may trust the girls at CF,NF and Shandra, and may go to their places. But I don' recommand other places or girls.

I will be in Moscow this weekend and on May 14-15.

Have fun,

Big bro

whats the tochka situation in Moscow at the moment? Are they running as per normal?

Thanks to all for the advice and help yesterday. I found the number of a little sweetie I met on the last trip (see Aug, 2004 reports and pictures). Spent the evening getting reaquanted.

D

Thanks to you for your help. I think I might try a little "order in", as Cat puts it this afternoon any advice there is likewise appreciated. Tonight I will try CF and keep a Toschka tour as a back up plan. The early Tocshka you described is interesting. Are they the same $.

JQ

RM:

Tochkas are running normally and Shos and I recently bagged some very good quality girls from them, even at 4am. Maybe they were recylced picks from earlier that evening?

In any case, the tochka we ended up selecting from was close to Tsvetnoi Bulvar or Petrovsky Bulvar if memory serves, after our selection and winding through a couple of back streets we ended up coming out with the taxi around the casino on Pushkin square, meaning the ride home was short. Good thing, as militia presence was high.

However it must be noted that we paid "top dollar" on the tochka scale for our girls. On one night $150 and on the second even 150 €! There were no $100 girls that seemed worth taking, however it was very late and on the weekend.

Dealdo:

Ooh La La!: ul. Sretenka 1

Safari Lodge: ul. Pokrovka 32-34 (not so far from CF and near the Coffee Bean)

Shandra: Gazetny Pereulok 1/12 (across the street from Kamergersky (on Tverskaya))

By the way, you should look through the Moscow times, Exile, GO! or other similar expat-oriented publications. Not only do they have the addresses of the clubs, sometimes they'll have coupons, like free entry etc. (Free entry into the club, unfortunately not free entry into the orifice of your choice...)

Doc

Shouldn't the greed factor go down at the later hours of the night?
Meaning that if a dyev is only staying until morning, if you don't
grab her until 3 or 4AM, then the mama is expecting her to do
less work, not more. Especially with thinking that mongers are more
likely to be pretty drunk if still looking for pussy by 4 in the morning.

Ouch! 150 Euro=$195. Damn greedy. 10 years ago what was tochka price?
Does that mean in another 10 years they'll want 300 Euro?

JQ: The prices of the Kursky tochkas are good in my opinion.. 3000 Rbls (100 DLLS about) the most expensive ones.. As I told you the mama has about 12 girls everyday But I saw 5 very good ones 7-8 and you can take them home all night long staring early.. I took Marina to dancing dinner and sex all night and she was more than happy, is an unbeatable price.

I have a taxi driver friend who know exactly where they are.. If you need his number let me know.. He doesn't speak English at all so you need somebody to help you.. If you are lucky you may find Tania in CF, She is one of my favorites there.. She works only Saturdays and eventually Sundays.. Guarantied satisfaction whit this sweetie...

Doc thanks for the tips.. I have a lot more tools for my next trip to Moscow, =) I hope we can coincide next time.

Mangus Man: I don't know about the prices before the perestroika in Russia,, but 200 DLLS for a tochka 9 points is a very good price.

I was lucky to pick up a 9 in Stalinsgrandky 150 dlls, That same day I stooped by in NF and a girl not as good as the tochka asked me 400 DLLS!! and you know they are very PROs.

The tochka girl gave me a tub massage,then she dance and striped for me.. she had a brand new lingerie and she didn't let me sleep all night long.. at brake time she cooked for me.. we had sex 5 times I guess and she seams not to have any desires of stopping.. I was exhausted but more than happy next day. I don't think we can find this kind of services for this price.. I don't like when the market goes up unfairly, but I believe that this girls really worth the money mama ask for them.

My humble opinion.

DeAldo

MM and Dealdo:

150€/$200 for a tochka girl is too much in my opinion, however the $200/150€/6000 ruble category isnt really new. It has been around for at least 2 years. Not all tochkas offer it and it may in fact be a weekend phenomenon. Normally the standard $70-100-150 categories are offered, but this varies from tochka to tochka.

On slow weekdays the greed factor may actually go down. But then again, does the greed factor ever really go down in Moscow? I doubt it. It is all a matter of negotiation, and on a Saturday night the mamachka is holding all the cards.

On this particular Saturday night, as often on weekends, a 4 am tour to a few tochkas (it may have even been 5am... we had visited several clubs beforehand) yielded 2 choices:

* a severely picked over and skanky $100 category... undoable.
* an overpriced $150+ category

Since going home alone was not an option, Shos and I decided to take the best we could get. Shos did better than I did. Neither of my girls were 9s. GirlFriday was a 7+ and GirlSaturday was an 8... because of her body. Both were not the most passionate girls I've had, but solid performers. Shos's girls were sex demons, or perhaps he was just more charming than I was on those nights... :) Nonetheless, very satisfactory selections for both of us, especially considering the circumstances.

So as always, tochka is the proverbial box of chocolates and I got macedamia nut and pistaschio cream. Nonetheless, I was very happy to find any degreee of quality at all at the tochkas. For awhile it seemed as if the tochkas were becoming so skanky that they werent worth the effort anymore. But now I am keen to try again soon, perhaps on an upcoming slow Sunday night. Generally speaking, I have had very good luck with tochka girls and enjoy their attitude. I actually prefer the $100 category, provided they are cute enough. Even if not as hot as some of the $150 girls, they are almsot invariably excellent and passionate performers. But Dealdo is right about selecting early if possible, it is a good idea. The good $100 girls disappear early.

Since I personally prefer normal clubs on Friday and Saturday nights, tochka is only my failsafe (nuclear) option. And its not a buyer's market at 4am on a Sunday morning.

Dealdo is right about Kursky Voksal, it can be an excellent tochka and is one of my favorites, but it is also one of the most "monitored" tochkas in Moscow and you almost invariably have to take the ring road back from there into the center. So be careful taking your taxi back from there.

To Dealdo, thanks for good report.

Your comment "I was lucky to pick up a 9 in Stalinsgrandky 150 dlls, That same day I stooped by in NF and a girl not as good as the tochka asked me 400 DLLS!! and you know they are very PROs." You are so right. NIghtflight is for lazy and unimaginative people. Would you pay 400 for a DVD player that you could get up the road for 150? But i can't talk. I've been in that boat before. Last friday i had had a few drinks and was out and about and i meet a 10, and my brain stopped working completely and I ended up paying 300. I haven't meet many 10's. Note well, a 10 is purely subjective, i can't stand those perfect models types. A 10 to me includes personality. She even had this beautiful Barbara Striesand nose How subjective is that!! But believe me when you meet your 10 you must act. I probably harp on to much about nightflight, but it just seems so out of touch. All that 80's glass and mirror, and nothing happens, its just so boring.

They even organise golf tournaments. How boring is that. They should put on some entertainment, That would make business sense. They should have private rooms on premises, they would make a lot more money, as would the girls. Now the Boarhouse! thats entertainment. I found some bizarre clubs in Archangelsk of all places. Suddenly the coldest place in Russia became the warmest. Excuse my rant, I don't edit, I just write.

Cheers

I've been reading up on sextalk.ru lately, and I'm surprised at how different the MOs are for the Russians there, and us here. The Russians, it appears, overwhelmingly prefer the Internet route, and the general concensus there is that you're never bringing a girl to your place.

Have there actually been a lot of stories of foreign mongers robbed or mistreated when going to the girl's place? Do they outnumber the cases of something bad happening in the monger's apartments / hotels? The last couple of times I've been to Moscow, when my Russian friends found out I've been bringing the girls up to my place, they were all uniformly horrified. Their argument is, if you go up to a girl's place, you leave all your valuables behind and just bring the cash needed to pay her - so that's all you're ever risking. If you bring a girl up to your place, then of course you're risking everything you brought with you.

So why the consesus here never to go to the girl's place? When it comes to ordering from Internet, I'm beginning to feel that maybe going up to their place is not a bad option, especially considering that many of these places run as mini-bordellos where you can choose from a line up of the girls.

Second question. Does anyone have any experience with [url]www.viprest.ru?[/url] Reports on sextalk are very few, but mostly favorable. Most people there seem to prefer the $50-$100/hr rate though, as opposed to viprest's $300-$500+. It seems like a pretty shady thing to ask for $100 to get access to the catalog of girls, but the favorable reports on sextalk and the fact viprest has been in the business for many years now seem to prove that it's legit? All that $100 gives you is a password to access the site, and it gets credited to the first girl you order. So if no one here has a password at this time or any negative experiences, I'd be willing to take one for the team and try it out, and then share the password with select battle hardened veterans via PM here.

I've been living in Moscow for a short time (three weeks) and haven't gone out that much yet. Most of my exploration of the field has been on the internet. There are quite a few sites with a variety of girls. Some of them seem too good to be true. I like checking out sextalk and intimcity. The first one is a forum which contains reviews of many girls on intimcity. The second website is one of many listings of agency and freelance girls with a section where people can comment on the accuracy of the photos. I have learned only a few words of Russian so far but have been able to get a general understanding of some of the reviews. The visual aids (star and numbering system at sextalk also help!).

Anyway, I was all excited about my internet discoveries and tried calling up some of the girls with favourable reviews. I learned that many of them don't speak any English. A fe days ago, one of the girls I called (Irina) had her friend call me back to arrange a meeting. I later found out this guy ("Victor") actually works with them - helps with the internet listing, photo taking, etc. Since I don't know the city that well I meet up with Victor and was taken to Irina's apartment. Victor seems to have many contacts in the business and said he is willing to help me and my friends meet up with the girls, whether through the internet or acting as a guide and translator in clubs , etc. I believe he receives comissions from the internet girls and would expect some sort of payment for the translator services at clubs. I would be glad to give anyone here his contacts if you feel he might be of help. I only meet amd talked to Victor once but liked his conduct. Please don't take this as advertising. I just thought it might be of use to people like me who don't yet know any Russian and need some orientation in Moscow.

Best,

Ira

1o9,

I agree with the concern about bringing a girl back to your apartment. I imagine there isn’t anyone reading this forum that hasn’t thought about that at some point. Probably right as we’re opening the door to let her in. ;-)

I’m not sure your observations about the MO of the local h@mbres is correct, however. The local guys have certain limitations that we don’t when it comes to bringing girls back to their apartments; like wives and girlfriends. For many of them, going to the girl’s apartment may be the only option they have.

Neither is it correct to say that they stick to the internet girls exclusively. There are many forums on sextalk.ru. If you only read Клуб Любителей Секса “sex lovers club”, then you might get the impression that they are only interested in internet girls. But there is also a forum for tochkas and streetwalkers, as well as strip clubs. The local guys are taking advantage of everything Moscow has to offer, not just the internet girls. And if it’s any consolation, they get skunked every once in a while just like we do.

I do think it’s interesting to read their reports and see what are their priorities. Typically they will spend a lot of time describing the amenities of the girl’s apartment. They expect to be served some kind of refreshment, typically tea, or coffee, but also occasionally vodka or cognac. Since it is customary for Russians to take their shoes off before entering someone’s apartment, they also expect to be given slippers. They always take a shower and will go into great detail as to the various kinds of soaps and shampoos that are available in the shower. And of course, whether or not the towels are clean. Many times, the sex seems like almost an afterthought.

I wouldn’t be surprised if they like to go the girl’s apartment as a kind of mini-vacation. An unrenovated Soviet style apartment complex can be a pretty dismal place. It could be that an hour or 2 of being entertained by a beautiful young girl in a comfortable, remodeled apartment is an attraction in and of itself.

Stravinsky

Well Doc,, for that quality of tochka in your pics, yes, is TOO much money.. I though you were as lucky as I was.. the girl I met was drop dead gorgeous I could have paid 200 Dlls (stupid me I know, but I was drooling bad),, beautiful body and very cute face as a doll. And nice actitud. She was brand new in the biz, from a little town north Moscow.

As Simon said, when you find a 9-10 is hard to let her go especially is you compare prices whit other places or the 150 Dlls (per hour, not all night) girls from the internet, but Simon is right every taste is very subjective. My 9s could be the 7s for somebody else.

Or course, I have been in the same situation, hunting all night long and not finding anything bangable, is a big trauma for the mojo going back home alone ;)

One o nine: that thing sounds interesting,, can you do it and let us know later how it is? =) I hope to be one of the lucky ones to get the password =)

Ira: send me by PM Victor's number.. you can't imagine what kind of shows I had to do to communicate whit people there, my English sucks and my Russian is only two words,, was fun and a total adventure, but I missed too much time and some nice girls also =(

Does he charge anything for translating whit the girls on the internet? Can't be free!

Thanks a lot amigos

DeAldo

109:

Interesting point about going to the girl’s apt. I however feel:

· having a girl in your apartment is safer than being in hers. Its your turf and if you are smart (locking doors, taking care of your valuables etc.) very little can happen.
· That said, visiting her apartment isn’t really dangerous either, but can be a hassle to find
· Beyond that, being in a room that services a dozen guys a day, complete with the waste basket next to the bed full of used condoms and tissues, takes ever ounce of fantasy out of the game for me. If that’s what you want fly into Frankfurt and hit the FKKs.
· I enjoy taking video, photographs, creating atmosphere. Most of that is a no go in an apartment, let alone a sauna.

Strav’s points about Russian johns having different priorities seems logical… even if they don’t have a gf , family or wife to worry about, they probably don’t want to be seen entering their own apartment with an obvious pro. I however do enjoy seeing the look on the babushka dezhurnaya (door lady)’s face when I bring a new girl up to my apt 4 times a day.

Hmm very good points about girls' apts. I did go to a few and my experiences were perfectly fine, but these were all girls I've picked up at CF / NF and the like. I can see how it would be different with somebody who actually runs her business from her apartment.

I guess to close this subject, if anyone for one reason or another does not want to talk a club girl to their place, most of them do have somewhere that they can take you. At CF, all the girls I've tried used the same apartment, which is literally two minutes walking distance from the club. I haven't done this since last summer so things might have changed. Back then I really liked having this option because I could just get straight to business 2 minutes after walking out of the big wooden doors, and then walk right back to CF and check out the new shift. Was worth the 50 bucks for me or whatever it was that apartment charged.

Anyway, I'll be in Moscow next week for about 10 days. How are things down there during their May holidays? I know everybody has May 1st to May 9th off. Is it going to be a party-all-the-time atmosphere that week? Any effect on the disposition of forces on our favorite battlefield?

Now I like that pic

109: Moscow during the May holidays... just like in August when many Russians are on holiday, Moscow in the first week of May will be less of a party atmosphere than you might think... at least in the traditional sense. Many Russians use this chance to get out of Moscow. One note... on the 9th of May the 60th anniversary of the end of WWII (den pobedi) is celebrated and Bush will be in Moscow to celebrate the event with Putin.... so there will be a lot of security etc. and I am sure there will be a military parade and whatnot.


DealDo: Well she looked better in person, I assure you... :) But yeah bro, mine wasnt the quality one should get for $200 bucks. Getting a true 9 as you reported is rare... you dont see many of these in the tochkas. Usually the $100 category is full of 5-7s, the $150 and $200 categories with 7-8s. I cant recall ever having a 9 from the tochka... some girls had great faces, some great bodies, some great attitude... but a combination of all 3...? Usually one of the pieces was missing or slightly flawed. Numerous 8s, but no 9s for me... but it is subjective of course. The rare 9s I have had from CF, Magrib or whereever certainly did it for me, but may have gotten lower scores from others. And some of my 8s are 9s in other people's book.

BTW: your 9 will certainly graduate from the tochka soon and may very likely end up at NF or Metellitsa and start charging $300+ soon.

RM: and she's a freebie. Her face isnt the greatest, but her body is top... and her provocative style turns everybody's head when she enters the room. When I am out with her I do feel a bit like a minigarch... and when I banged her she kept the stockings and boots on... very nice.

Very true Doc: Is rare to find a 9 in the tochka parade.. I was amazed, from 30 girls or more only 5 or less may be a real good one (but plenty F..able though).. besides I always tried to go early and pick the better ones..from 5 to 7 is not hard but from 8 and up it is.. That's why I liked to go to Kursky, not to far away and I saw some 7 even 8s those days, But as we commented militia is always kicking the balls and dievs have to move constantly and hide,, and we have to be careful to not be pulled over for the "ticket".

I was lucky this cutie was just arrived from other town, But as you said,, she may end up in some of those greedy places soon.. =(

If you guys go out for adventure, you may be robed, you may be scamed, even you could ended up in the smelly Russian jail (I almost did, but that's another story) but something is for sure,,: you will have the blast of your life sooner or later,, make some payments to your debts to have a good credit whit your luck ;)

Talking now about the girls from prives,, I went to some of them,, I didn't detect any dangerous situation, As long we are polite they don't give you any hard time, You can even walk away if you don't like anyone whit out problem or hassles, but is always recommendable to not carry too much extra money.. I always take a shower before the action and I think is mandatory for their own hygiene.. So you leave your clothes in the room,, just common sense,, do not put big temptation on this girls, they may get less than 50% of the money you pay for the service,,,

Now a question again,,, Que onda whit the SAUNAs?? what about them?
How do they work? I didn't have time to explore this field.. I just see in the movies a bunch of fat old guys sweating, drinking vodka and smoking Cuban cigars,, There are some "saunas" whit cute girls to score? any recommendable??

Thanks again and the best times in your tryings =)

Last winter, when the WSG server was out of action, I took to reading the posts on sextalk.ru. Lots of good info there if you can read Russian. Most of the posts are unremarkable, but occasionally one stands out. This one came across the wire not too long ago and I thought it was worth passing on. This is the report for the link that I posted a while back.

The local h@mbres score the dyeffki on a scale of 1 to 5.

Счастливо,

Stravinsky


[b]Name:[/b] Inna
[b]Telephone:[/b] 910-426-6115
[b]Webpage: [/b] [url]http://devushki.nu/ankets/1899/[/url]
[b]Vital Statistics:[/b] [b]Age:[/b] 20 years, [b]Height:[/b] 165 cm, [b]Bust:[/b] 2.5, [b]Weight:[/b] 57 Kg, [b]Hair:[/b] dark, [b]Anal Sex:[/b] nyet
[b]Price for Classic Sex:[/b] 1 hr/ 3000 ruble, 2hr/ 6000 ruble
[b]Metro Station:[/b] Akademichyeskaya, Profsoyuznaya
[b]Report:[/b]
[i]Welcome dear Sirs,

I shall tell all as was, frankly!!! Outside it is Spring… sandals, sunshine, little streams, completely wonderful. Well, spring time, when the organism wakes up and gives us to demand women!!!!

I ran through the phone numbers on the list… and chose this one. I call… an affable greeting. And in the background laughter.. talking.. noise... completely cheerful!!! "Well, if they are having such a good time, it means they should not offend me”, I thought to myself.

I eat… easily enough found ... many parking lots.... Came to an entrance, called at the door.... does not open.... I call once more... I think it’s strange the door is not opening so I don’t enter!!! But here the door opens.... and what do I see there... INNA!!! Similarity with photo is 100 %...

Wash up, coffee, slippers, all gut!!!! I go to the shower, she’s in it too... I am waiting to lounge... she comes... A good body.. all strong and round.. Has not given birth… no stretch marks... A tummy flat (that in particular in women is pleasant to me)... a breast beautiful!!!! First order of business, does she do anal? No. Well, OK…

Well, it means we started slowly.. we begin.. blowjob – is a song in stone... I’d give it a 3 +.. Plus is for determination... She looks like a pneumatic jackhammer.... Did I say that right???? Well, here this girl is going up and down with exactly the same frequency!!! Clearly, this won’t last for long (it seems to me)... I turn her over on her back and let her have it!!! She cries out for uncle Kunyu... but for her, lying there, it was like she was on some kind of designer drug.

We continue... my shlong is spoiling for a fight... I say to her, " come on beautiful, let’s get down to business!! " And she, like a smart "crab” also has risen.. and how!!!.. some kind of smartie!!! Well, OK, Cancer is a Cancer... I slip it in and we have at it.... As we’re fucking, it seems her snatch is positioned very interestingly... plunging my shlong deep inside her does not result in the position "cancer", not so that it is comfortable... I think well, OK, in the second go round I will spare her, like God to a turtle!!! And here at once are hands to feed her (!!!)

HERE I UNDERSTAND THAT HER ASS. . . IS A MASTERPIECE!!!!

Here imagine two volleyballs tightly inflated.... Does that make sense?... How it is possible to probe with your palm such a ball!!! Each of her cheeks was CAST and strong as a tightly inflated volleyball!!! I haven’t felt such an ass in a long time!!!!!! CLASS!!!!... OK, well… the lyrical pause on the occasion of discovering such an ass is finished!!! Well, so.. here goes some measured strokes.. a little more friction and I pop!!!!! GOOD!!!!!

Pause between hard-ons..... some small talk.... She smokes, I drink coffee... we rest on our side and then the second round.... her blowjob turns into a BLOW JOB!!!!

I put her on her back with her legs on my shoulders and FULLY buried my shlong... and proceeded to bang away with varying amplitude... even with her breath faltering, she was still able to communicate.... everything’s going great, but what’s wrong I asked, "What???" and she says to me, " my legs are tired " well, then again sideways – she’s "Cancer".. I look, and the rigid rhythm in this position is pleasing to her... Well, this is great, I start to pound her harder.... It all ends so that the girl, almost all in one voice, wailed!!!! So she enjoyed all of it.... when I came.... her eyes were like a purring kitten’s!!!!

You could hear the pounding of her heart from 100 meters!!

Well, that’s all you beggars, I’m going home.....

IMHO, this girl is good.... all she lacks is experience... With time, she will be a complete fairy tale!!!!!
[/i]

[b]Score:
Classic Sex:[/b] 4-
[b]BJ:[/b] 3+
[b]Relationship with client:[/b] 4
[b]Apartment:[/b] 4+
[b]Overall:[/b] 4

Went to Doug and Marty's joint last night about 10 pm for a bit of food and to see what was available. Not much happining and I got an easy seat at the bar.

By 11 pm the place began to fill and my seat became a premium spot. By 1 am the place was packed. Just like an old fashion college age bar in the states. Lots of working girls and many civilians. Some of each to die for.

Talked to a few and they all figured thier pussy was gold plated and didn't get a stike fo less than $300 worked a couple hard but no budge. Given the sheer number of competitors you would think the price resitence would begin to break down but even the bottom feeders were hanging tough. Tough night and I left about 2:30 am, pocket book intact.

Begining to think the fast and loose days are behind us.

Apartments are fine to do. I've some are quite good and interesting places.

Theres various websites. One i did is [url]http://lovecontact.ru/ada/[/url]
only $100 and i dear you to find better.

When you ring they mostly only speak Russian.

Found a great translator site which translates website pages for you and each window that you open [url]http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr[/url].

Just enter in the web address and it will translate it free in 10 seconds.

Below are some of the websites with apartments. Mostly Russian language sites, but can be translated for free at [url]http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr[/url] in 10 seconds. Occassionally there is a translation error, if there is just look at the next site. Most of the sites only speak Russian when you ring. Apartments are great, a sense of adventure about them. A sense of the unknown. There pretty safe, i've never had problems. Just be sensible. And always be polite.
I am always polite with all girls.

Zna.Ru
DosugOnline.Ru
Dolls.Nu
Dosug.Nu
lovecontact.ru
Prostitutki.Ru
Barbi.Nu
1001night.Ru
Saungirls.Ru
[url]http://lola100.msk.ru/[/url]
[url]http://vipelita.ru/[/url]
[url]http://sexfabrika.ru/modules/sex/[/url]
[url]http://vippopka.ru/[/url]

Talk about your bad luck. I must be snake bit!

Struck out last night at Doug and Martys, My day time sweetie called at 1 and said the flu bug had her in it's grips so I spent the after noon getting all rested up for this evenings assult.

Figured I'd start at the Safari and work my way around to a couple other joints and if nothing materilized, go to niteflight and drag down some expensive company.

Got to Safari at 8:30 not knowing opening time was 9:00. Rats! I ain't standing around that neighbor hood to be the first into a strip club for 1/2 hour. I figure the others on my list were the same so I fromulated plan B and headed for niteflight straight away. Thought about some dinner and by then start out again.

The usual parade to the head throughout dinner by the WG's. One particular little sweetie smiled temptingly and caught my eye. After dinner I stopped in an almost deserted bar for 1 toddy before heading out.

My little sweetie came right up and gathered in my attention. Boy was she nice, and friendly too. No high class hooker snobbish attitude. Long story short; plan C was implemented and we were back in the flat by midnight.

OH yes! In this case clothes do not make the girl. Very nice! so she does a great back massage flips me and takes charge of the head guy. After all I could stand of that we saddle up for some mighty fine CG and as I dismounted and reversed the flip some one tossed chicken, whose head had just been removed, into bed with us! A volcano of sangre!

Well it's over, showers all around, new linen and she's away with apologies and my $300. So here it is 1 AM and I'm on the net whining to you guys and too tired to strike out again.

Look out Discovery channel!

JQ,

Have you had a chance to make a tochka run yet?

I have learned a lot from reading these posts, and can even apply your experiences to picking up ordinary women. From analyzing these posts, I have concluded that your success with these women is as much your personality, mind, and probably looks as it is with money. I wonder if you can apply the same approach to ordinary women in the States by just being friendly to them without introducing money.

The tochkas. Obviously, there are no tochkas in the states. But we all agree that there are few 8s or 9s in the tochkas. I have not seen that many tochkas I even want to touch. Many of them remind me of ordinary women that I have met in the states for free using online dating. If so, it makes me wonder why I should fly around the world and pay for something I can get for free. (No I am not good looking).

I was planning to come to Moscow in March but cancelled my trip. I am trying your freebie aproach in the US by just talking to women. No money involved. Just be befriending women the way you befriend freebies. There are a lot of lonely women out there.

I think when I travel overseas, people perceive Americans as wealthy and gives an extra confidence. Also, there is no social pressure of being seen with a young girl. But this is all psychological. I think if you get over this hurdle, you can get ordinary women without using the cash. The cash helps but the women still have to perceive as a better alternative to the local men.

Don't take this as a lecture. It is a compliment. I have learned a lot from reading these posts and am simply applying what I learn from your expriences and seeing if I can meet women in the States without using money, i.e. freebies.

If I fail, I guess I can still come to Moscow as my work gives me a lot of vacation time. I want to try this in the States so that I do not need to leave 1 or 2x a year just to meet a variety of women.

I think there must be something that explains Dr. Skank's success beyond money or cash. Maybe it is your looks, intelligence at reading women, ability to talk, job that puts you in a superior position.

The best analogy I can think of is have you noticed that (rhetorical question) how you talk to someone or how you speak the language affects the quantity and quality of time they spend with you, i.e. escorts, strippers. Then how much of its is cash versus personality. I think a great deal of the art of meeting women is personality, as evidence by women who suck dick to make money for their boyrfiends.

Also, I have found some states in the US where you can get an escort for $100 an hour. I won't go into that as I am concerned that everything posted on the Internet can be traced.

JQ,

Here some girls from the internet. The best ones unfortunately they are not working anymore. I don't know what happen but many girls try for a little bit and they despair. I noticed that this happens not only in Moscow but in the whole world, we just have to be in the right time and place.

From the girls still online this is my favorite. Is very PRO but if there is chemistry between you two she is all passion, besides she is very smart that turns me on in a woman.

[url]http://www.freewebs.com/sweetangelica/index.htm[/url]

Here is another very cute. Hard to set an appointment but worth it. 100dlls

[url] http://zna.nu/vg.php?id=1100680263&pic=2[/url]

These privates have nice girls and nice rooms.. a little expensive.. 150 and up

[url]http://www.elit.tv/index.phtml?id=21[/url]
[url]http://www.dosug.org/dosug/2412162/index.htm[/url]
[url]http://www.dosug.org/dosug/2406021/index.htm[/url]

This are very economic girls 5-6 sometimes 7s but great actitud.

$50 [url]http://zna.nu/1108928888[/url]
[url]http://zna.nu/1102450588[/url]
[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=1919[/url]

Here another100dls good services

[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=2008[/url]

[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=1716&nphoto=2[/url] $70
[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=2017[/url] $100

Here is a little prive very cozy place and 3 cuties.. Rita is there,, very beautiful but there are no pics in the internet.. one of my favorites

[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=2129[/url] 200RBLs

Here a place open 24/7 by the university a lot of students trying this biz constantly. Masha is my favorite,, nice body and great lover,, perfect place as a back up to not go back home whit out scoring ;)

[url] http://erotic-massage.ru/salon_p.htm[/url]

Here another prive whit nice girls.. But remember that they change girls constantly and all girls have different schedule.

[url]http://erotic-massage.ru/salon_kp.htm[/url]

Good luckl,, I hope these links will be usefull to somebody else too..

DeAldo

Stravs.. That girl drives me crazy whit her pictures. Is becaming an obsession bro. BTW, what a funny way to redact an experience that Russian dude, I wish iI could understand the language. Every culture have their own waves. Interesting.

Made a Toscka run last Tue. Much different from the last time I was here. Then the Militisa was cracking down and we had to travel to the airport for fun

They are up and well and plenty of choices. Picked a 22YO who proved to be adequate but uninspired for $150. I was happy to let her go early

JQ

Just wrapping up a couple of nights in Moscow.

Friday night I had a blind date organised by a mutual friend in the states. I had swapped a couple of emails with this girl "Nadia" a few times and she promised to take me to a georgian restaurant when I got to Moscow. The date was set for 9:30pm.

By 7:30 pm I found myself near Patriarshy Prudy and called into a massage salon there ... the Patriarshy branch of the Erotichesky Massazh chain ([url]http://www.erotic-massage.ru/salon_kp.htm[/url]). Its a nice relaxing way to kill an hour. You begin with 30 odd minutes of regular massage (generally the girls arent too bad at the massage) then she oils up her breasts and starts sliding them all over you and finally she gets your rocks off in your chosen method. The menu translates somthing like this:
Base Erotic massage (carried out by your choice of one or two girls) - 1150 rub
Erotic massage with the oral end - 1400 rub
Exotic forms of massage - 1500 rub
Lesbi-show - 2650 rub.
Erotic Massage + classical sex (with one girl) - 2000 rub.
Erotic Massage + classical sex (with two girls) - 2850 rub
I generally hate rubbers if I can help it, so typically just use this chain for the massage and a handjob/titfuck which is the first option. I picked "Alyona" the first girl on the site. Slim waist, big tits. ([url]http://www.erotic-massage.ru/foto/alena1.htm[/url]). She finished me off with a great titfuck. She had her tits all lubed up, and there were big enough to totally lose your cock in. I lost my load after about 10 minutes of sliding up and down between them. In this case I only picked one girl, but sometimes I pick two (same price for the massage) and to have 2 naked dyevs massaging you for an over half an hour then spending the rest of your time getting your rocks off is always a decent way to kill an hour and 1150 rubles.

Having lost the load, it was time for the date. The good thing about losing a load early in the evening is you dont have that "I just want to lose a load and I'm picking on you" look written all over your face which often inhibits your freebie chatting up ability. I walked to the metro and made my date on time. Nadia was better than I thought. Usually when a mutual friend sets you up on a date you do it more for the favour than anything else, though credit to my friend in the States, she had only set me up with one blind date before and she turned into a great semi-regular poke. This girl was in her mid 30s, but looked more like 28-30. She was a Moscow native, and had a very good job as a senior manager in a big western company here. She buys a new car every year etc... you know the type. Probably making $5-6k+ a month, living alone, no kids, no time for boyfriends. That type in Moscow has needs. She doesnt get serviced regularly cause she doesnt have time for boyfriends, and as women cant date down the chain (expecially true in Russia) she has to find a local guy more successful than she is. Most of the guys who fit the bill are already married and have mistresses who are all 21. So the successful Russian woman has few options.

Despite a clever ploy that almost got her back to my apartment that night, we agreed to meet again early the following night. We had been kissing and groping in the back on the cab but the invitation in for tea was met with a smile and an "I dont do that on the first night". We parted about 1am and by now I was ready to lose another load. I called the number of a salon where "Kira" worked, got the address (near Ul 1905 Goda) and headed round. I had been intrigued by her web details mentioning she "really comes from Anal". When I got there, her salon-mates were asleep, but Kira was tiny. About 5'1" and 40-45 kgs. How was this tiny little thing going to take a knob where the sun dont shine? My experience with the smaller girls is that the really struggle with anal. But hey... Not my problem. She said it was 1600 roobs for a regular hour or 2100 for an hour of anal. She smiled when I said "anal please" and then she replied with " I love anal!" This is getting interesting. So I have my compulsory shower, flake out on her sofa bed and relax while she starts kissing me all over and getting me hard. 3 minutes later she whips on a condom, then some lube, and with incredible skill and dexterity, she handjobs me. She has either been watching or starring in a lot of porn films recently cause she was looking at me like she was in a porn movie and her hand motion was something you definately wanted to capture on film. It was spectacular. After a few minutes of this, she reaches for her lube again and smears it over her arse, assumes the doggy position, grabs my tool and inserts it in her arse in a matter of 2 or 3 seconds. This girl didnt even want regular sex as a warm up. Before I could start pounding her, she was pounding me by ramming her arse back onto my cock. It was amazing... this bird really did get off on anal. She went nuts. We went at it for a good half hour in all manner of anal positions ... her riding me forwards, backwards, doggy, modified missionary etc and all the time she was loving it and pushing it in to her "conkers deep". Eventually after what was one of the best p4p experiences I have had, I lost my load. We chatted for another half hour before I left. But when I stood up, my knees were still buckling. Like all good anal pokes, Kira was a genuine knee buckling experience. She was a porn superstar. Next time I see her (which I defiantely will) I will bring a video camera, set it up in the corner of the room and go again. Alas, this time I had no camera but will post a pic from her web advert.

On the second evening, after a quick bite to eat with Dr Skank who had just arrived in town, I had to meet Nadia at 8pm to finish what was started last night. I only had limited time to work, as Dr Skank had a teen double date lined up for us at 11:30 pm. I had promised him I would be done by then. So Nadia came round at 8pm, and with dimmed lights I wasted no time in kissing, then groping, then getting her top off and sucking her tits. As is often the case for me, that was the clincher. Once her tits started sending signals out, she was ready. She had declined on the first night, but as this was no longer the first night, I deemed her to be fair game. I led her to the bedroom, undressed her and began poking pretty much straight away. 20 minutes later it was time to lose the load and I asked her where I should "finish"? Some of the wealthier / older dyevs are on the pill these days, so its always worth asking. She wasnt though and began pointing to her tits. I told her "I want to finish in your mouth". She said ok, and I did... she was enthusiastic about it, taking the whole load, swallowing and sucking me dry. We lay in bed for an hour before I noticed it was time to get rid of her and prepare to meet Skank. So I shooed her out the door and headed down to American Bar and Grill (I know its corny).

Skank was already there and we waited for the girls to show. They eventually did about midnight but plans to get out of there into a dark bar were scuppered by a clumsy waiter who spilled drink all over one of the dyevs jackets. The jacket was taken away to be cleaned but it would take half and hour so we gave these two 18 year olds a couple of shots of tequila. They were getting drunk fast but alas we couldnt sway them from their intention to head to Karma Bar. So we all went down to Karma Bar. Skank already knew his bird and before long they were looking like they needed a room. My date suddenly had an attack of conscience and disappeared - left the bar. She has a boyfriend and either saw him or one of his friends in the club, so there went my half decent chance. Sic transit gloria mundi. it wasnt the worst thing in the world. She was pretty chubby for 18 and Skank definately had the pick of the two. I stayed on in Karma Bar and chatted to some other buddies in there while Skank and his teen found that room he was looking for... in his apartment. I bailed out about 4am, and while it was a pity my teen date went nutso all of a sudden, I had managed a decent poke out of Nadia a few hours earlier.

For reference, these are web pics of p4p girls Kira and Alyona.

RM,

Thanks for the report on erotic-massage.ru. I've been eyeing Alyona myself for a while, but couldn't tell if the services included KC or just hand jobs. Sounds like they have the polnoye menu.

BTW - Does Kira look in person like she does in the photo?

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Golly gosh RM,
Really sucks when you can't meet that 2 dyev per day minimum
daily requirement of snatch. You poor bastard.

Also, your "get the baby-batter off the brain" methodology to
temporarily ease testosterone levels and thus psych out the freebie
is a required chapter in the Intermediate Mongers 101 Handbook,
so nicely illustrated in your post.

Dealdo,

Thanks for sharing your little black book with us.

Are these all like, "been there, done that" type personal recommendations? You rock, dude!

Yeah, Inna's become a fascination for me too. I think she will be one of the first phone calls I make.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Well you know the score ... when you go to a salon the girls are never dolled up. But if you took Kira, stuck her in big boots, sexy underwear and makeup she would be just like the pics. She is the same girl, same wierd eyebrows, same body, just without the boots makeup and sexy underwear. Pity really cause I like those peripheral things.

I just came to Moscow last night and wanted share some experiences. Man oh man. Moscow never ceases to amaze.

On Sunday night, as I was tired after my flight and just wanted to get somebody quick and get out, I went to NightFlight. The place was dead at midnight, there were no more than 10 girls available to choose from, and most of them were what the Russians call 'goblins'. I hung around for a while and saw one of the girls who were engaged walk away from a prospect. She was damn cute, a very thin blonde of about 5'5" with a very nice rack named Maria. We quickly made a deal for only $200, I guess seeing how I was the only free guy in the club. She then actually drove me in her own car, a small Mitsu SUV, so I even saved on the cab fare. Had a very pleasant conversation with her, she was pretty smart and down to Earth and generally nice to be around. The sex was also very good, she did exactly what I asked as soon I asked and knew what she was doing. All in all, an excellent experience. Unfortunately she didn't give me her phone number, but said I should look for her at NightFlight if I wanted to find her again. I probably won't since I really like variety and don't want to have the same girl twice, but I'd certainly recommend her if you do see her. She was wearing kind of a soccer rep uniform, with a white striped shirt and black pants, and a square Gucci watch. She said that's what she always wears to NF.

Anyway, tonight seeing how Monday nights are always dead, I figured I'd try a tochka. The guy who picked me up at the airport, a really nice Armenian named Ashot drove me around. If anyone needs a good tochka driver I'd certainly recommend him, PM me for his cell #. He really knows his way around, and got us off the hook with militia twice in a row. We first drove all the way up Leningradsky beyond Moscow limits, and I guess we caught a militia raid because we found exactly 1 operational tochka along the stretch where there's usually like 20. That tochka said to come back in 5 minutes since the cops were there - when we returned in 10, the place was also empty.

So we drove back to Moscow. The selection was horrific. Girls in the $150 range were the ones you'd usually see for a $50. Girls in the higher range were ven more horrific, and often even worse looking than the cheaper ones (I guess they were more experienced). I think we went to four or five tochkas and I didn't see a single girl I'd even do for free. Finally at the last one I decided to just grab the least ugliest girl out of the pack and get it over with. Picked a darker skinned brunette who looked like she had some Tartar blood or something. She was in the $150 category but when I didn't pick her then and asked to see $100 she ran up to the window and said she'd even go with me for a hundred. She seemed pretty nice in the line up and when we spoke by the car, so we picked her, and she said she'd lie down in the back seat so the cops wouldn't see her.

We didn't hear a pip from her for the next five minutes, but when she finally opened her mouth, God damn, I don't know how she managed to hide it earler at the tochka, but she was completely wasted. She just kept rambling about all men being pigs and how prostitutes don't get no respect. Me and Ashot just laughed and rolled our eyes at her on the road back and quickly offloaded her at my apt. I sent her off to the shower and took her straight to bed so I could shut her up at least with something. Sex was surprisingly good, she was a real wildcat and did anal and just the right amount of acting with her screaming to make me forget about her personality for a moment and really enjoy myself. Then I couldn't get rid of her fast enough. She went on rambling about how she was falling in love with me and how I'm so unlike all the other pigs blah blah blah, and then spent two minutes trying to scribble her home phone on a piece of paper. I should scan that page and post it here for pure comedic value. It consists of about 20 compeltely unintelligeble numbers she crossed off, and then a string of equally insane hieroglyphs she was finally happy with. I wouldn't be able to call her even if I wanted to.

Man oh man. I love Moscow in the mornings, and I certainly love Moscow when I sleep. But in the evenings, it's really something else. Lately I stopped caring about experiences that don't go too well, because they certainly make for the best stories later on. The mad ramblings of Diana the Tartar I'll remember for a long time.

Stravinsky,

I think is very important that we share our descoveries, we all have mutual interests; we don't want to be scammed, we don't want to let hiperinflating the prices and decline the actitud of the girls, we want to have good times and give good times to the girls... and the only way to be lucky on it is taking care of our partners.. here there is no colors, no politics, no nations, only one nice porpous,,: The kresiva dievuskas =) and that's is cool.

When we become a selfih ass, the possiblities of being succeful become smaller...
And yeah,,, Is better to go the prives than calling the girl to your place.

1) You can choose from 12 girls or more,, most of the time the pics are too photoshoped, and sometimes girls look a lot better in person.

2) Administrators don't like to send a top girl to a place far away, because there is always people who walk in asking for that girl. So they send you any girl (most of the time not too good) and they try hard to make you keep her, if you are very horny and have no time to loose you probably would take her.

3) They can charge you for the trip and the taxi,, doesn't matter if is their falt and you didn't take the girl because is not the one on the pictures.. they don't care..
Now when you meet all the girls then you can call them to your place,, besides thet will know you are not making a blind date.

Recomendation:

My first recomendation is not online anymore.. her name is Yana she has an apartment by Ul1905Roda I have pictures from her old profile,, but I don't know how to post them.. She looks ten times better in person..for my taste.. if you want the number and pics send me a PM,, I guess Jackson doesn't allow to post Tel #s.
She is super feminene, a mix of feminine and classy exotic girl.. perfect tide body, etc. A perfect 9 in my scale. 100 Dlls

Second one Angelica,[url]http://www.freewebs.com/sweetangelica/index.htm[/url]
, she is independent as well,, she has an aprt in downtown.. I called to my aprt. Super sexy and beautiful girl.. very intligent intersting chat, classy, cultured, a full of surprices in and out of bed.. the only problem for me,, she is very tall, I'm a shorty MF =(

Next; Julia,, not in the internet anymore either.. model type looking.. 100 Dlls totaly hot. I have telph and pics also.

Next Lada: [url]http://zna.nu/vg.php?id=1100680263&pic=2[/url] as you can see the profile she has a very nice butt and tha's is rare in a Russian girl. One of my favorites. 100 Dlls. Hot hot sex. Funny girl. She is a little ninphomaniac adicted to sex.. only see her turn me on the volcanos.

Form the prives, I recomend the Elit [url]http://www.elit.tv/index.phtml?id=21[/url]
the best for me is Masha,, (Maria in the profile) very nice place Masha is sexy, sweet whit a beautiful silk skin all the romance of Moscow whit her.

Sharmel:[url]http://www.dosug.org/dosug/2412162/index.htm[/url] classy place by Arbat station

Here Sveta is one of the best more cute in person.. very beautiful face a,d young body.. before was a girl named.. Lada? well I forgot the name but she was charging 200 Dlls she was uffff georgeus.

Lera also is very cute in person and they both are great lovers.

University Salon: [url]http://erotic-massage.ru/salon_p.htm[/url] As I said before,, this is a good option, they always have new girls, sometimes they only work one day and never comeback, from girls in the internet I know, Yana she is a little overwaited but still having a great body. She loves sex and me too =) nice face too..
Masha. A tornado in the bed. All kind of posses she really enjoys her job.

Lera, and Sasha. She is the tranlator good english and good friend. Very nice face but very slim for my taste. Many guys like her a lot and have great reviews. 2000 rbls any girl.

Kira [url]http://erotic-massage.ru/salon_kp.htm[/url] for the massaje salon. I was whit her too. I'm agreed whit RM. She has such a perfect rank. She looks better in the pictures in my opiniom. Her face is kind of ummm. Well she is not ugly but she is not cute. Service is real good. I didn't take the massaje, I had no time for massaje whit only one hour, so most of the time I pass.

Rita from Leninsky prospect here is the pic of one of her friends.. Rita is VERY beautifull pettite sporty taned girl from Ukraine all pasion and romance and fire. Yu have to see her bro

[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=2129[/url] 2000 Rbls

There are some more that are not online but I have tels and pics..I jst remember these ones for now,,

I wish you luck dude, and let me know when you are planing to go back. It would be cool to coinside. BTW, weren't you in Moscow the birthday of Martin fom CF? Who was there? I was there that night. Probably I saw some one from the forum and didn't know.

See you later, and thanks for your words brother.

Dealdo

Dealdo,

Благодарим Вас, товарищ!

You sure have a lot of experience with the internet dyefki. Thanks for sharing your personal favorites. Internet girls can be very much hit or miss, so it's always good to have a personal recommendation.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Well, ladies and gentlemen, despite some negative reports recently I went to Oh La La last night and had an absolutely awesome time.

Showed up a little after 11 (Tuesday night). The little red velvet room was packed wall to wall with strippers sitting around drinking tea. Not a single client in sight. My entrance had the Hollywood effect of every single person in the place simultaneously turning their heads and looking at me.

Then the fun began. The girls were actually lined up to give me lap dances, and they all competed and elbowed each other and had little fights over who gets to drag me into a private dance. They were all mostly in the 7-8 category, with some 6s, but I didn't see a single girl I didn't like at all. Had some private dances with the more attractive specimen, with all girls always warning me in advance that they 'just dance'.

After about an hour I started to think that maybe everybody that night 'just danced', and that maybe I should begin to move towards NightFlight before it gets too late. However just then I began to see a lot of new faces. One girl I found just absolutely stunning - a very fresh and innocent looking brunette in a schoolgirl uniform (little pleated skirt and a little tie). Great little body, perfect round ass and nice long legs, and I especially liked her sweet open face. We chatted a bit, and it turned out she just turned 19 in March, and this was only her 5th day at the club.

We had a little private dance, and just as I was starting to ask if she'd want to meet me outside of work, she offered to go have sex in the special locked room. I didn't even believe my ears at first, since all the other average looking girls only danced, and here was the most beautiful, youngest, freshest dancer in the whole club and she provided the complete range of services. She asked for a little more than usual - the room 'rent' and her fee was $400 total for one hour - but I would have gladly paid even more if she asked.

The room itself was rather pathetic. Semi-broken tiny shower where we just couldn't get good water temperature, it kept alternating between freezing and boiling. It was pretty cold in the room, and the uncomfortable semi-circular bed only had one thin old sheet, and we had to dry ourselves off with two tiny hand towels. But well, that all stopped to matter in a second because the girl was just amazing. Maybe not as skillful as I'm used to, but incredibly passionate and accomodating. Just. Frigging. Amazing. I got her phone number and going to take her out while I'm here. Sorry, not sharing her number, keeping her for myself, but I guess you can always find Masha at the club if you're so inclined.

Well, by the time we left the little room (about 1:30), the place had gotten much livelier. There were maybe 5-6 more guys in the club, and one fat old Russian guy was hilariously getting it down on the dance floor with about 10 girls who kept snickering behind his back. Saw a lot of new faces. Another really cute brunette came up to me, who had an absolutely uncanny resemblance to David Beckham's wife the ex Spice Girl (whatever her name is). She was again the case of the hottest girl in the club offering sex, while the uglier ones didn't. I just couldn't resist. Her price was only 200 bucks, and I can't say she was much worse looking than Masha - and her little while fishnet with beautiful dark nipples poking through was just driving me crazy. As Raya went to arrange the room, this other girl I've noticed a while ago finally came up to me - a really tall athletic brunette with darker skin and really tiny tits. And well, what do you know, she offered sex as well, for the same 200 bucks.

So I was very happy to take them both. We went to another locked room which was a little larger than the previous one, but still the same crappy shower, tiny hand towels, the whole deal. The girls really gave me my money's worth. The girl with the small titties seemed a little upset over having to share me with another girl, but they both did a great job and I enjoyed myself immensely once again. And after our time was up, I got up and left because it was already too much for one night, and I didn't want to risk some other girl ruining the perfect run.

Overall I dropped about $1,500 in rouble equivalent at the place, on the combination of private dances, drinks for myself and all the girls, and the sex with the three chicks. So the fun certainly wasn't cheap. If you've got the cash though, I highly recommend Oh La La on a slow weekday night. Perfect place to get your rocks off among the sea of flesh of any variety imaginable.

Oh, and by the way, when I left the place at 2:30 am I was starving. Went to Corvoisier around the corner and ordered a ham and cheese sandwich. And well, what do you know, that's exactly what I got - a thin piece of wheat, a thin piece of ham, and a thin piece of cheese. Nothing else. How do you like them apples?

Left Moscow after attemptimg to fuck myself to death for 9 days. Obviously didn't succeed. Back in the USA and allready missing the place. Had some good times and some average, none bad.

My last night was Sunday and I decided to eat at CF. The place was dead. No girls until about 19 but there were two absolute beauties who were civilians. Vika and Ira from Rostov. We drank beer and laughed at each others language deficiencies. They are in town on hoiliday and I could have made some time with a little work but alsa...not to be. Wehn to NF for a last visit but the cabbie got lost and I punted.

I'll be back!

PS Covouisier Cafe really is pretty good and cheap. Try thier Chicken Scnitzel

1o9,

Sounds like you had a good time at Oh-la-la. I take it the prices for the full-service dyefki are negotiable, since they each set their own price. Can you take them out of the club?

Also, what were the dancers charging for lap dances and private dances? Is it the usual 1 dance = 1 song?

Stravinsky

109,

Glad to hear that you had a blast in Oh-lala.. it was kind of expensive for a poor guy like me but that night nobody can take it away from you =)..

I will visit the place for sure in my next trip.. I want to met Mashita unfortunately I will try to pay 200 the most (what a cheap bastard =)

JQ, I wish you good luck for your next trip bro..

To all the guys who have been asking me for the info about Yana.

I'm sorry to tell you that my friend IRA called her yesterday and the hotie is not working anymore.. lets hope that she is just taking a short vacation.. (cross my fingers!!) I was to ask her to marry me (oops subconscious) but my Russian is worst than my Japanese =(( too bad for us if she retires from the biz.

But still a lot of beauties around.

I missed a girl from NightCat. Her name is INNA. I called everyday to the prive. (near the Hipodromo, anybody has been there?) and she was out of town. Her pis really had me crazy. Is al part of it, not all the time we can get them..

Until next time

DeALdo.

[QUOTE=Dealdo]

I missed a girl from NightCat. Her name is INNA. I called everyday to the prive. (near the Hipodromo, anybody has been there?) and she was out of town. Her pis really had me crazy. Is al part of it, not all the time we can get them..

Until next time

DeALdo.[/QUOTE]Oops! I ment pics! Do not think something else xoxoxo Pictures, not pis!

Jackson, how can we edite our own posts?

Strav,

The girls do indeed set their own prices at Oh La La so it probably is negotiable although I didn't try to bargain. The room price appears to be a standard 1,500 r / $50 per hour. I'd actually recommend to find out what all the standard prices are from the staff when you enter though, because sometimes the girls may try to quote you more. I did have a couple ask for $100 for a 'privat'.

Everybody else charged 2,000 r per 10 minutes of privat, and this one pair of girls even did me both for the same 2K. Lap dances - I just tipped them 100r at the end of the dance and they all seemed happy with that.


Anyway, flying on the wings of my Oh La La experience I decided to hit up Shandra last night. In short, it sucked. The place around 11:30 when I got there was filled with about a million guys, all dresssed in business suits. Looked like the faggy convention was in town. The girl selection was abysmal. You couldn't find uglies like that at a Tambov truck stop. Especially this one skinny goblin with tits springs to mind, with her giant potato of a nose and the most unbelievably crooked teeth I've ever seen. And many of them just wouldn't take a no for an answer. This one girl kept sitting on my lap for 10 minutes scaring away all the other girls and asking me every 30 seconds if I was ready for sex yet. Seriously, what the hell is this crap.

I did end up having sex with the only girl above a 5 in the club, this really exotic looking girl from North Ossetia. I think she charged me $200 for the deed plus 2,000 r for the room. Had very mechanical, boring sex, and she would not do any oral. I came to a very half-assed conclusion, and even though I was supposed to have her for an hour she immediately ran off. By the time I was dressed and left the room, she was already leading her next victim into the sex room. She must have done good business that night since she was the only decent looking girl in the whole place. I have to say she had a killer body, very tight and nicely toned, and a set of incredibly firm and beautiful natural Ds.


Well, a little after one I gave up on the place completely and walked over to NightFlight. The place again was packed with men in business suits. I've never seen so many guys in that place in my entire life. There were plenty of women there too, but most again of the goblin sub-variety. I saw this one girl I kept trying to get with the last time I was here, and she would always get whisked away from under my nose. Her name was Inna, kind of a taller brunette with short hair and luscious lips. I had the damn munchies like you wouldn't believe at 2 am, so I took her up to the restaurant and had some really nice veal, and she modestly ordered some tiny salad. I do have to say, NightFlight food is gooood.

Came up to my place, put on some music, and she gave me an incredibly professional lap dance, much better than anything I've gotten at Oh La La or Shandra. The sex was kind of so-so but not particularly horrible, just average and nothing special. She then asked me to walk her out and help her get a taxi since she was scared to be alone on the street. It seemed fishy to me somehow but nothing bad happened, I walked her out, helped catch a cab, and walked back in. Can't say I'd recommend Inna to anybody, but on the other hand I probably did much better than many other guys at NF that night. I saw some poor sobs walking away with some creatures from your worst nightmares.


Oh, and here's another free tip. Exchange your currency early in the day. Before Shandra I spent half an hour walking around town in the middle of the night, and no one would buy my dollars. The only place that finally bought it had few large bills left, and I ended up with 10,000 roubles in 100 r bills. Most of this wad remains unused, and I have no idea what to do with this crap now. It doesn't even fit in my wallet.

1o9,

I wonder if all the h@mbres you saw last night had anything to do with the big celebration that's taking place next week for the 60th anniversary of "dyen pobyeda", the Soviet victory over the Nazi's.

There will be a lot of people in town, most of big hotels are already sold out. Even gospahdeen Bush is supposed to be there. So I imagine the whole city will be pretty much locked down. If you think the militsia are a pain in the derriere now, wait until next week!

Could be the valyuta kiosks were out of Rubles because of all the American tourists cashing in dollars! LOL

So let's see... 10,000 R @ 100 R per lap dance = 100 lap dances. Better get busy bro.

счаселиво,

Stravinsky

Yes, might have been something May 9th related, but I was thinking they had some business event nearby since everyone was in formal dress, and they were all of the homo frogus eatingus species. A Russian buddy of mine went to Oh La La last night after I told him about my experience, and he said that place was still basically empty. So the frenchman vortex seemed to have been concentrated around that area on Tverskaya.

How is CF these days? Worth a visit on a Thursday / Friday night? I can't decide where I want to go tonight. I do know however that I'm going to try to pay whoever I get in those 100 r bills. I've had enough lap dances for this week.

Twice a month I come to Moscow for 38 hours(weekends). Each time I spent well enough. Moscow is an open city full of possiblities and surprises. There are no limits on spending money.

I love strip clubs, especially the ones in states(Houston and Vegas clubs) Moscow strip clubs are not that good, one step ahead than brothels or FFK clubs. But in each Moscow tour I visit one of the strip clubs-Dolls-Shandra-Safarı-Rhino.But spending $1,500 at Oh LA LA.woow

109,

Please don't take it wrong but, even if the girls were the most beautiful girls in Moscow, how can you spent that much money in that crappy place?

Any way, I will be in Moscow next weekend to explore saunas and banyas. Couple of drinks and lap dances at Rhino, definetly lots drinks at Shandra and NF. :))

AJ,

First of all, I wouldn't call OLL a 'crappy place'. Secondly, during the time there I had sex with three beautiful girls, and groped and had my private parts rubbed by dozens of others. If you can think of a better way to spend a couple of grand, or can offer an equally satisfying experience at a cheaper price, I'm all ears. At this time in my life I have too much of everything, except the one thing you can never have enough of (i.e. sex).

Moscow, like no other place on Earth, gives me the chance to completely drown in decadence and feel like a king. I come here to have fun, and as long as I get that money is not much of an object. Especially when I have a wallet filled with flamboyantly colored Monopoly money. Somehow giving out Russian currency doesn't even feel like spending real cash. I feel like a kid in a candy store with a wad of play money.

1o9,

I believe John Quakman reported that there were a lot of working dyefki at CF, but a little expensive, they start at 300 USD.

Of course, if the goal is to drown yourself in decadence and money is no object then you could try;

"Flash", ул. М. Дмитровка, д.6, or right next door is "911 VIP", either one should make short work of that 10,000 R you have, burning a hole in your pocket.

If you want to get away from the center of town, you could also try "Club 911", ул. Косыгина, д. 15, гостиница "Орленок"

Or "Byeli Myedved", ул. Проспект Мира, д. 116а

The possibilities are endless.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

109,

As I mentioned before, I only made a humble comment. If you can’t take it, it’s your problem. In last six years, I have been practicing law as a corporate attorney for oil companies in Houston and New Orleans. No need to question what I had experienced.

I found OLL crappy; girls were pushy and not worth to have sex with them in the “private room” (you descried it how it was “The room itself was rather pathetic. Semi-broken tiny shower where we just couldn't get good water temperature, it kept alternating between freezing and boiling. It was pretty cold in the room, and the uncomfortable semi-circular bed only had one thin old sheet, and we had to dry ourselves off with two tiny hand towels.”). If I want to have sex with a babe, I prefer somewhere a bit cleaner in all means.

My buddies (2) and I spent almost $4 G at Shandra’s private room with 6 girls in 5 hours. We didn’t play monopoly. If you want to have sex with 3 different girls in a row or at the same time and spend less than $ G, you need to learn Russian and have Russian girl friends who are in early 30’s.

As you see, I had great time at Shandra but I assumed you weren’t that lucky. But admit it NF is THE place for mongering and having fun.

You got the magic of Moscow. As a foreigner (if you have cash) you are surrounded with the most beautiful women on earth. All want to take a part from you; whether it’s your “joystick” or else.

Cash is KING

i have no idea why what i spend and where is even being discussed. i've had a good time, enjoyed myself, and can easily afford to spend what i spent. why does anything else matter? i'm just stating the facts, not trying to tell you guys that my way of having fun is better than yours or anything like that. let's close the subject please because it makes absolutely no sense.


today a russian buddy of mine who went to oh la la last night wanted to get together. i suggested flash as it was recommended by strav, but kolya said it's gone down the drain recently (obviously i have no independent confirmation) and suggested we go to this place called honey since he heard the strippers there were extraordinarily friendly.

he never showed up though, or maybe he was late and we just never met because i barely spent any time outside the privat dance room. the quality of the girls was much better than last night's shanrda, but there were a few rather unattractive females in the place as well. my huge wad of cash was disappearing into thin air with alarming speed, and the girls seeing my spending habits all gathered around me. at one point i was getting five lap dances at the same time. whew.

there was little action in the privat room, and nobody offered me sex. however most lap dances involved moderate to heavy massage of my private parts, and the hands often went inside the zipper right there in front of the pole. some of the strippers were indeed friendlier than i've seen anywhere else, and at the end of the day i walked away with two phone numbers. one of them was from this very good looking tall former magic assistaant blonde who didn't even dance for me once and we just sat there and chatted and she wouldn't take any money from me.

but best of all, these two girls who gave me a lesbis show kept talking to each other during the dance about how much they wanted each other. i offered them to go to my apartment around the corner, they looked at each other, looked at me, and agreed. the three of us sneaked out of the club at separate times not to alarm the management, and the three of us then had sex absolutely for free.

i won't mention the amount of money i left at the club because that might give certain posters a heart attack. the privat dance there is 2,000 r per girl, and most girls do seem to want to end it very soon. the other girl who gave me her # actually brought over an hourglass and her dance seemed to last at least 10 minutes before the sand ran out. some of the other girls would fly out of there in less than 3. anyway, i obviously can't promise anyone a freebie threesome, but i'd certainly recommend honey because the girls are generally good to great looking and some of them appear to be actively looking to meet patrons outside of work.

1o9,

It is Ok if you have money to enjoy life, nothing wrong whit it.

I thank you your information I'm sure it will be very useful, all those stripe bars I didn't know them.

Only one thing, and this is whit out trying to be an asshole.

I don't think is nice we go to a foreign country and start talking bad about them,
Russian economy is in bad shape we know that, but that is not reason to call "crap" to nobody or "flamboyantly colored Monopoly money".

Those expressions only reflects your poor esteem for that country that in my opinion is admirable in many, many ways, This s not a forum of culture other wise it will be endless to count the heavy wait of art and studies in all aspects they have,, Architecture, Painting, Poetry, Literature, Science, Etc., Etc., Etc. whit all their problems the Russian people deserve all our respect,, I love that country, and not only because I'm crazy for their women, lest try to be more humble and appreciate more the world,, not only America and west Europe have their heritage. Remember that we are just simple citizens from planet earth.

Dealdo

I did some internet research this week and thought I had struck gold with Nastya ([url]http://www.modeli.ru/show_anket.html?gr_id=111[/url]). I called her up and, despite my awful Russian, was able to set up a meeting during my lunch hour. I took a private taxi and made my way to her apartment on Berogovaya Street, not too far from where I was located. When I met Nastya I noticed immediately this wasn't the girl in the photo, but a bigger, plumper version, who wasn't bad but clearly wasn't my type. There were three girls in the apartment working together and the person I decided to spend some time with was Lina ([url]http://www.modeli.ru/show_anket.html?gr_id=22[/url]) (2,500 rubles). Despite her awesome looks in the photo, the real life version is not so amazing. The hour spent with her was ok, nothing out of this world. There is something about internet girls that never corresponds to reality and ends up being a bit of a disappointment, isn't there? Afterwards, as I was leaving we noticed that her friends had left the apartment and mistakenly taken the keys with them. We ended up locked there for almost two extra hours! I got back to work barely in time for an important meeting. The experience was both frustrating and funny.

[quote][b]By Dildo[/b]: that is not reason to call "crap" to nobody or "flamboyantly colored Monopoly money".[/quote]What are you talkin’ about dildo? If one were to dignify your askew logic, calling a tit bar in Des Moines a dive and its dancers crappy would be unpatriotic and denigrating to the US then?

In every country there are bad and good people, ugly and pretty chicks. If you narrate about the bad and ugly you encountered in Russia, you’re trashing Russia? Let me tell ya what reflects “poor esteem” dildo, it’s your fucked up, infantile and oxymoronic way of reading and interpreting, you ignorantly sanctimonious fuck.

People who post on this board love Russia too, that’s why they go there time and again, what da fuck you wan’em to do? Encounter Russian charlatans, stumble upon tourist traps, then report they encountered Slavic angels as to not offend dildo?

I should have my head examined just for having dignified your dildoic observations.

[QUOTE=Dealdo]Oops! I ment pics! Do not think something else xoxoxo Pictures, not pis!

Jackson, how can we edite our own posts?[/QUOTE]
Regular member can not edit their posts. You have to do it through Jackson by using the "Report this post to a moderator" link (click the tiny red lined triangle at the bottom left corner of the report you want to edit).

Bandy

Hi,

Thanks for a lot of useful information and tips regarding Moscow. I am going to visit the town for my first time in May 18th. Already I have made some good appointments with promising girls.

But at zna.nu it is a lot of beauties - but hardly any seems to speak anything than Russian. If you have tips about good girls there speaking at least a bit English, German or Italian I would like very much to get a tip. I can not one word in Russian.

Another thing is Taxi. In Estonia and Poland (that I know) it is normally one or two taxi-companies that do not overprice their service. What about Moscow? Do you have a phone-number either to a company or to a taxi-driver that is ok and speak English?

If you are in Moscow May 18-24 why not send me a message and we can make som fun together?

Jan

[QUOTE=El Suave]What are you talkin’ about dildo? If one were to dignify your askew logic, calling a tit bar in Des Moines a dive and its dancers crappy would be unpatriotic and denigrating to the US then?

In every country there are bad and good people, ugly and pretty chicks. If you narrate about the bad and ugly you encountered in Russia, you’re trashing Russia? Let me tell ya what reflects “poor esteem” dildo, it’s your fucked up, infantile and oxymoronic way of reading and interpreting, you ignorantly sanctimonious fuck.

People who post on this board love Russia too, that’s why they go there time and again, what da fuck you wan’em to do? Encounter Russian charlatans, stumble upon tourist traps, then report they encountered Slavic angels as to not offend dildo?

I should have my head examined just for having dignified your dildoic observations.[/QUOTE]El Suave, I think you over reacted dude. My intention wasn't to offend you at all.

Why you make such a big deal for a virtual post that wasn't even directed to you? You really surprise big time, you always take so seriously this as a sop opera? I may have a short vision and my English is real bad.. I don't think I'm perfect. So if I misunderstood, I publicly apologize.

I never said that all Russians are angels. No country is a straight paradise. If you read my posts you will notice that I've been roved too. There is no reason to fight on an opinion.

But well probably you really need to go to a doctor and find out why that frustration and unhappiness. Be cool. Nobody is killing nobody.

Pd: I never criticize your nick. (by the way, sounds not too masculine in Spanish) Dealdo is my last mane I can't help it. So lets try to be more mature and make opinons inted of attaking. Nobody gets any profit with it.

From now and on I recommend to keep this on PM, we are men and we can solve anything whit out a big show of my ignorance and your proper cultured English don't you think.

DeaLdo

Ira,

Internet dyevs are always problematic, kind of like the proverbial box of chocolates. The only way to play them is to read the reviews of guys who have been there and done that.

They local h@mbres are reporting on internet dyevs everyday. A website like sextalk.ru has a lot of valuable info. If you don't read Russian, just scroll down to the bottom of the report and look at the score. They score the girls on a scale of 1 to 5. They also allow you to search for girls that are 5's or better.

Another possibility is to check out ston.ru. They cross reference the girls with their reports on sextalk and you can sort by the highest rating.

For what it's worth, the local guys seem to find most of their girls on dosug.nu and intimcity.ru, these seem to be 2 of the more reliable sources, although nothing is guaranteed!

Bottom line is, if she looks too good to be true, she probably is.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Well, internet girls are a little hit and run. Some of them use fake or brushed pics. I doubt that if she looks really good that does not mean that she will be real.

As they mentioned before sextalk.ru and imnicity.ru are the main sources to get more information from other mongers.

Here is the list, I met these girls in person, very few of them speak English and their pics are accurate.

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1091634894[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/vg.php?id=1112172107&pic=3[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1102450588[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1102510937[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1105196947[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1100883888[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1106138279[/url]

I envy you. The best must have been the first one:

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1091634894[/url]

I would pay the double of $150 to spend a night with her!


[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ]Well, internet girls are a little hit and run. Some of them use fake or brushed pics. I doubt that if she looks really good that does not mean that she will be real.

As they mentioned before sextalk.ru and imnicity.ru are the main sources to get more information from other mongers.

Here is the list, I met these girls in person, very few of them speak English and their pics are accurate.

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1091634894[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/vg.php?id=1112172107&pic=3[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1102450588[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1102510937[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1105196947[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1100883888[/url]

[url]http://www.zna.nu/1106138279[/url][/QUOTE]

Fellow mongers,

I'm since 2 years an Expat in Bucharest. Now I received a very attractive offer for a job in Moscow.

Should anybody here have experience for both cities and therefore can compare them - please PM me.

About our hobby as well as about any other relevant info.

Thanx for the help.

L.

Damn it, how'd my posts turned into all that crap so quickly? Especially with the whole anti-Russia thing. I love this country, I always loved her art and especially her music, and as I've been working in the field for years I have better knowledge, understanding and respect for her culture and history than many Russians. All the success I have in life is due to me employing engineers from the former Soviet defense industry. They're infinitely capable and incredibly hard working, and I've never encountered such dedicated professionals anywhere in the world. How my fiding the color scheme of Russian currency flamboyant can possibly change all the above, I don't know.


Anyway, speaking about internet girls, on a couple of lonely nights I've called up [url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/[/url]. The site appears to be down for the moment, but the receptionist is at 768-1222. They advertise all over the place. The photos on the website are mostly of foreign runway and magazine models, but the girls they did send me were all surprisingly good looking and spoke fluent English. Might have been a fluke, but the ones I got were all English students of the Moscow University - might be that they recruit from there.

The receptionist is very helpful, and if you describe the type of girl you're looking for she'll get you something that fits the profile. After the girl leaves she calls to make sure everything was fine, and in general tries very hard to get repeat business. And the price is only $100 per hour, plus I kept seeing a couple of those girls afterwards without using the main phone, and paid them only $75 (compared to the $50 they get by working through the dispatcher). Just about the best deal in town.

Your mileage may vary of course, but a site like that with a command center seems like a more attractive option to me than all those individual little ads.

1o9,

Don't worry, I don't think it's anything serious. Probably just a case of open-mouth-insert-foot. It's particularly common among Americans travelling abroad. I recognize the symptoms because I've suffered from the disease before myself. ;-)

Elitegirls.ru seems to be working now. You're probably right, I doubt if the girls in the pics will actually show up at your door, but if, as you say, they send an acceptable substitute, then it could very well be worthwhile.

I notice that they prefix their phone number with a 7 and there are no reviews on sextalk from their phone number so they obviously are not catering to the local crowd.

Are you saying the dispatcher speaks English? That would truly be a find!

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Oh, by the way, Happy Easter... again!

Strav,

Yup, that site deals exclusively with foreigners as far as I know. One of the girls I met there was telling me how she liked working for the place since it was discreet, she didn't have to sit around in some club, and never has to sleep with any Russians so she never risks running into them outside of work. That led me to believe that they have no Russian clients at all.

The dispatcher does speak good English, and is very pleasant on the phone. Sounds like a nice homely lady in her 50s or 60s. By the way, if you use them a few times and prove yourself a good client, she will email you some real photos of the girls she has available.

Strav,

Thanks for the tip on ston.ru. The site is one more useful instrument.

I am determined to find a quality and trustworthy agency on the internet. Once I have found some nice girls I will recommend them here for all of you.

Everything is cool 1o9, lest forget it.

Thanks a LOt for the elitgirls info. A total discovery. Ira Glup sent me a link of this site and As Stravinsky said, they look not trustful at all. I wouldn't even try to call them if weren't for your review.

Do you know if we can go to the place and check all the girls up? do they have an incall location?

Now sharing whit people another link.. this girl I though was out of biz...
she still having her AD online.. now in another web site
[url]http://individualki.ru/show_anket.html?page=4&gr_id=1317[/url]

This girl was in an apartment by Suharevskaya metro station. 60 dlls/hour pictures are produced. Breast is not as tide as the pics, but she has a nice round back, and a beautiful face as you can see very petite curvy body (another eseption). The apartment is not nice so may be a good idea to bring her to the hotel. Her service is not kinky. I would say is a sweet type girl. She is from Ukraine and her English is 50%

I think she works for a small prive but I didn't see anybody around.

Who answers the phone doesn't speak any English.

El Swine,

I just read Dealdo's post. It's a good post! He makes some good points. I to like Russia and the Russian people. I to don't understand why people make ignorant and patronising remarks about Russia. I'm neither European or Americano, but I'd rather be Russian than Americano anyday.

Russia is OK in my book.

Cheers

Dealdo,

No, I don't think they have a central locations. It's a very low overhead business everyone just runs out of their apartments, and it appears they do outcalls only. As I understand, when the girls are ready to work they just call the dispatcher and let her know they're on call. Then they sit around at home or wherever and wait. When the dispatcher has somebody for them, she calls the girl on her mobile and sends her on her way. The girls I got didn't even have drivers, they'd just hail a regular taxi.

So until you get to the point where the dispatcher emails you some photos, I'm afraid it is a bit of a Russian Roulette. However the dispatcher didn't have a problem with my stance that if the girl wasn't as sweet and lovely as I was led to believe, she'd immeditately get от ворот поворот.

By the way, for those who don't have much experience ordering girls from the internet, this isn't as quick and straightforward as ordering a pizza at home. The dispatcher might waste your time a little bit with the fake photos on the website, then the girl might get lost, or become unavailable, etc. Just be prepared to spend some time on the phone over several phone calls, and don't expect the girl at your place within 20 minutes like they promise on the website. Most of all though, if you do get promised a model and open your door to discover a horrific creature from the depths of hell, lock your door and post a negative comment here. I certainly don't want to be responsible for our fine readers having to endure sex with a goblin.



Oh, and here's another note of warning. I went to CF on Friday night and picked up this girl, I think her name was either Inna or Irina. Kind of tall, maybe 5'8 or so, not particularly hot but kind of sweet and innocent looking, said she was 19. Her most distinguishing feature is an incredibly long ponytail that goes below her waist. I noticed it too late otherwise I might not have taken her because I think it's a little gross. She quoted me $200 for the night. Anyway, my warning is that the girl is a complete nympho. I said a few days ago that sex is one thing you can never have enough of - well, life has proven me wrong. The girl just wouldn't give up on me for a few frigging HOURS, give me directions - let's do this position, put your hand there, faster, slower, blah blah blah - and when I finally said no more and crawled off of her, she proceeded to masturbate for the next half hour occasionally groping my dick and my chest.

She begged me to let her sleep until the morning, and in the morning the saga continued. I just couldn't get her to stop, and finally I had to make up some story about having to leave and only that way did I manage to walk her out. She was all huggy and touchy and feely, and as we said goodbye she held me in the embrace of doom for at least two minutes before finally walking away.

Anyway, I certainly got a great deal for my two hundred bucks in terms of the amount of sex, but if I had a weak heart or something I might not have had survived the night. She's kind of weird too, mostly completely quiet during sex and does not move all that much so it's kind of creepy. If I didn't watch her masturbate herself to a few quiet orgasms, I wouldn't even believe she was enjoying herself. In short, a very weird experience. If you do get her, don't tell me I didn't warn you. She said she only works one night a week, on Fridays.

One O Nine, sounds you had quite a luxury problem.

Ok, I am with you and know the feeling the day after when you can feel your dick being nailed...

1o9,

I know the feeling too =( ,, Somebody told me ones,,, "Be careful what you wish for.... It may come true" is hard to accept it but even sex can be more than enough ;)..
Is kind of hard the way ElitGirls works but I'm patient (some times) So I will risk to get laid whit a chubby one =( ...

Ok, now in appreciation for being a good monger partner, I will give you this info...
I didn't post it before because is an expensive service and whit a lot of luck you ay find them in another places.

But if you have the money, have no time to wear the explorer gear and go to the adventure,, just pick the phone and call this agency.
[url]http://www.sweet-pussycat.ru/gallery.php[/url]

Here there is no lottery,, girls speak good or some English and another languages...
Pics are accurate. some photoshop but not drastically.

Prices go from 600 to 1000 Dlls per day... this girls DO NOT work for one hour, dispatcher speak good English...

The same agency runs another branch whit girls working hourly.. 150 per hour
In my opinion is expensive, here is the link [url]http://www.call-girls.ru/[/url]
Same quality of girls can be found for 100 dlls and less somewhere else.. I saw all the girls and Janna just drove me CRAZY!! So I ended up paying the 150 She is slender tall and real hot.. lust won the battle I'm so weak =( ,,.. place is real nice..

For all those guys who don't want to waist time struggling whit the language and blind dates, is an option..

Good adventures bro.

DeAldo

Hmm. Sweet pussycat girls look interesting, but what the hell am I going to do with one for a whole day? Wish I wasn't flying back in two days and didn't have such a busy schedule. Maybe I'll give them a call and see.

Anyway, last night I tried to hit up Flash and /or 911 VIP and was I think face controlled. The guys at the entrance told me the club was closed, even though I could see the people inside and hear the music playing. I'm a presentable good looking guy, and was wearing nice kind of business casual clothes so that was kind of weird. Maybe they had some private party going or something. Hmm. Certainly not planning to go back there anytime soon, if those bastards don't want my cash.

NightFlight was dead, and I was kind of bummed out so I just went home and called the good old elite-escortgirls. Even though I haven't called in months, and was at a different address and a phone number, the receptionist somehow recognized me right away. She sent over a girl named 'Yana'. Yana's pictures are actually on the website:
[url]http://www.escort-elitegirls.ru/yane1.html[/url]
Except in real life she has kind of a pockmarked face. Other than that, the pictures on the site are accurate. Because of the pockmarks I'd say she's a 6 or so, but she has a nice body and a very sweet personality. She was very friendly and laughed all the time. She speaks very basic English though. She drank half a bottle of my vermouth, gave me a very professional quickie, and flew out of the door to go to the next client - all in a matter of like 30 minutes.

Can't say it was a very fulfilling experience, but at a 100 bucks at least I didn't get ripped off. I think Yana is their разведчик, she checks you out and makes sure you will pay and won't mistreat a girl. And after she reports back to HQ that you're all right, the HQ will make the other girls available to you.

1o9,

Did you get "faced" at both Flash and 911 VIP?

Strav,

No idea. Was my first time there. I had a basic idea that there were two clubs nearby, but all I could find was this long illuminated alleyway at the end of which I was met by a guy with a walkie-talkie. He had no idea what to do with me and went to get a supervisor, who irritatedly waved me off and said 'closed, see you tomorrow, good bye'.


By the way, Saturday night I hit up CF. My visit there the day before reminded me of the good old days, but on Saturday there was nobody interesting - or more accurately, nobody interesting I haven't already had. Sat around for over an hour watching the entrance, and didn't even see a single girl worth talking to. Finally saw that some drunken frat boys started a ruckus with these two girls I've known since last February. The boys had been buying them drinks, and rebelled when they were told they'd have to pay for sex. I gave up on my search and rescued the two maidens.

The girls - almost two-year CF veterans - told me that the place was going to shit, the clientelle wasn't what it once was and it was really hard to get picked up. These two were by far the most attractive girls in the place, and in the two and a half hours they were there nobody even came up to them, except those stupid fratboys. They said a lot of girls were abandoning CF and going to other places, and they have also had it with CF and as of next Friday were only doing NightFlight themselves. So there you have it.

Hi bro,

I spent recently few days in Moscow. After several call I went trough Anna from Russian Beauties. Wow, what experience! She is very sweet, hot and charming and is making love with passion and dedication which is very rare these days! On top of these is also speaking a good English. I do hope to see her again just to be sure was not a dream.

Cheers

Interalia

1o9,

Interesting... sounds like we may as well cross CF off the list of places to visit, at least on the weekends. Did they say what "other places" the girls would be moving to?

A little more competition for the dyefki at Night Flight might not be a bad thing.

109:

Why is CF continuing its downward spiral?

Well beyond the fact that most of our countrymen (and I mean all countries) are fairly clueless, the best girls there all want $200 and you have to make a real effort to find something good for $150 let alone $100. Can be done, but who really likes to argue over price with these girls? Once you've started haggling over price any "romance" is certainly out of the game. For a $200 score you might as well go to NF or take a top broad from the internet or a salon... I am sure the regulars you talked to that couldnt get picked also wanted $200 for 3-4 hours... and CBJ if they could get away with it. Serves them right for going home alone... but still wont change the fact that there is little (or nothing) on the menu at CF for a Ben Franklin. It isnt about being cheap, it is about principal and as soon as the price tag gets to high it is about exploitation... and we are being exploited. Who's fucking who? I prefer to be in the driver's seat.

...CF was once a beautiful thing... for the girls as well... but they've priced themselves out of the game. Will prices return to normal... do prices ever go back down?

CF remains hit and miss... with more misses than hits these days. I still go occasionally and hope for the best, but hope is waning.

Beyond that (and demonstrated in detail by recent posts) there are plenty of guys willing to spend $400-500 for a single night of sex... which girl wouldn't prefer that as opposed to a $100 score? So even the average girls end up working from the internet, at expensive clubs like NF, Metallitsa, Shandra. Safari etc. The bargain score in Moscow seems to be a rare commodity with salons being the best bet. Every great girl I've ever had from CF was a one shot deal... I never saw them again. Either they were true amateurs earning perfume money or they graduated onto a more lucrative market.

Hell, even tochkas, once the "fast food" of the Moscow sex menu, even cost up to $150-200 these days.. with woefully waning quality.

I'm not being accusatory and I feel people should spend their cash however they choose, but the mongering public (that's us) have induced the relatively high prices at CF, which are a reason that I rarely indulge there anymore... and neither do most of my friends, some of which used to take three or four girls home from CF a week. No wonder the girls are having trouble finding business.

Strav,

I know quite a few CF girls go to NF. The rest of them - no idea. NightFlight has always been a kind of a valhalla for CF girls though. I've gotten to know several CF girls pretty well over the past couple of years, and they all view it as the ultimate job for a working girl. All sorts of tall tales go about it among the CF demographic, they fear it as much as they desire it. Apparently a couple of CF girls recently got turned away by NF security the first time they tried to go there, and now everybody at CF is scared to try converting because they don't think they're classy enough. The whole thing is really very amusing.

But in any case, all these CF girls see NF as 'that place where men pay $500 a fuck' so it's really more sad than amusing. Lower prices virtually disappear, and $500 gets quoted there left and right nowadays. It might just be that CF isn't migrating, it's completley disappearing, and soon there just won't be a cheaper friendlier alternative. From a girl's point of view, if they can do a NF type of business, there's just no reason to try to do it CF style.

Incidentally, I went to NF tonight, and it was buyer's market. Lots of girls, few guys. A very high number of Asian girls also for some reason. I had one of the highest approach-per-minute ratios by a lot of nice options; but I kept waiting for a knock-out. The girl I liked the most got intercepted by some bald dude who chatted with her for an eternity. and I almost decided to give up and go for my second choice, but then the dude walked away and I grabbed the girl after all. $500 of course - very tall brunette named Alina with very well crafted C cups that almost felt real. She was one of the most pleasant NF experiences I've ever had, very friendly and nice to talk to, and very accomodating in bed. Didn't get her phone number though, and I'm not sure how to recommend her exactly since every other NF girl calls herself Alina, and a lot of them are tall brunettes.

But in summary, yes, CF looks like the place to cross off the list. Maybe Thursday and Friday might still work, but on any other night I can't even imagine going there. That's really a shame. I'd trade NF for the old style CF any time.

Doctor_Skank,

You posted as I was typing up my other reply. I think you completely misunderstand the situation. Of course it's the matter of supply and demand, and it's perfectly natural for prices to go up and for quality to go down if the demand continues to grow. It's not bad or good, it's natural.

And the girls at CF didn't get picked up because they didn't offer good services - it's because nobody was looking for those services. If my two friends got approached a lot but couldn't make a deal, that'd be one thing. They however didn't even get anybody try to make a deal with them in two hours. They just stood there trying to make eye contact with absolutely no result. Men just don't seem to go to CF looking for action anymore.

Of course there's nothing wrong with wanting a night of wild sex with a model for $100, but you've gotta be realistic. Things are what they are, and it's way beyond our ability to change them. Not just you and me, even if every single WSG reader got together and started a political campaign with TV ads and nightly pickets, we still wouldn't be able to affect the situation. There's no use in moaning and remembering the good old days. You gotta adapt to the ever changing world around you. Things will always remain in motion.

109:

Perhaps I sounded like I was moaning... I probably was... but I dont misunderstand the situation. Its simple economics. I know that as demand goes up and the girls realize that thez can get $200+, they will go for it. I would to.

Nor do I blame anybody for paying too much... no single guy ruined the market.. the market has its own dynamics, we are all along for the ride.

However a market can overheat and the minimarket of CF has overheated. It was always a place for a bargain fuck and should never have aspired to be a second rate or even third rate NF. It was its own anomaly. Perhaps CF or the girls misunderstood this.

Or perhaps the bargain "take home" market has disappeared completely.

In any case, if I am going to pay $200, it isnt going to be at CF.

The price of CF chicks didn’t go up cuz of supply and demand, it went up because the US dollar is in a tailspin and the Ruble is near all time highs. Them CF bitches measure their income via hard currency, they’re spoiled fucks. Euro zone earners never noticed the hike and Moscow remains a dollar orientated economy.

To give the latter more credibility, one is able to notice that Russian internet hookers’ rates have in fact decreased in the last year or so. Look at Big Bro Aj’s net chicks, when was the last time you were able to pork a decent internet looker for $50 - $70 an hour and $100 - $150 all nighter? During the bubble and depression of the late 90s.

Strengthen the US dollar and you can have back your $100 CF dievush. ;)

El Suave:

Of course you are absolutely right about the weak dollar being a major factor in the price hike. I can accept that.. although American, lucky me earns Euros... so I guess I shouldnt be bitching.

But I still cant help being cheap when shopping at CF. It's like if McDonalds came up with a $10 Super Big Mac... I just couldnt bring myself to buy it. I'll buy a $10 burger if its really good... but not at McDonalds served in a paper wrapper. So if I am paying $200 I might as well drop $250+ at NF or Shandra and at least pretend to be a decadent minigarch for a night.

Supply and demand isnt totally out of the picture as a factor in the CF price situation however, as many girls went from charging $100 to $200 "overnight" and were surprised to learn that the CF crowd would pay it. I met seriously homely wenches at CF who I wouldnt have paid for sex at any price but who still wouldnt budge from $200... citing excuses like "I made $300 a night last summer in Malaga".

Whatever the reasons I dont feel one bit sorry for any CF pro that goes home without scoring.

Cheers to el Suave for the following information in his last three posts. The following are exactly the kind of constructive posts we want.

"Let me tell ya what reflects “poor esteem” dildo, it’s your fucked up, infantile and oxymoronic way of reading and interpreting, you ignorantly sanctimonious fuck"

"Them CF bitches measure their income via hard currency, they’re spoiled fucks."

"I should have my head examined just for having dignified your dildoic observations."

Thanks el Suave, we all really wanna hear what you'e got to say. Honestly, I'm not just saying that, really. Vent your anger elsewhere, we don't wanna even know about it. El Boring!

well i think the main problem is that you guys see the old situation as the status quo, whereas in reality it was a fluke, a once in a million freak occurence. the very basic fact at the root of the whole thing is, no girl in moscow has to bend over backwards and work all night long in order to make a hundred bucks. they can work much less, and earn much more. once this realization has occured, the simple fact is that there's no going back. situation is continuing to stabilize in regards to the services and prices, and save for some force majeure of globabl proportions nothing can bring back the good old days.

think of yourselves as the early prospectors at klondike. gold was rep001tered everywhere, and you barely had to do anything to grab a handful. you were the guy on the antique roadshow who bought that ming vase in albuquerque for 20 bucks. like it or not, but you simply couldn't have expected for things to remain that way forever.

I guess it would be a mistake to completely rule out demand Doc. So now if only we can get rid of the gullibility and nonchalance of westerners who frequent CF.

I know exactly what you mean when you stress your refusal to go along with CF’s unwarranted hikes. Most expat Russian veterans feel that way, they know all about CF’s history and the dievushki who apply the trade there.

It’s the new comers who see it as an express hookers ATM if you will, get in a cab, say CF, get in without a cover and dress code, speak English to a floozy and off you go with little questions asked about pricing. Is it the point of no return though? Business cycles should prove not, we all hope at least.

There’s a contrarian view to Nine O Nine's astute price analysis. People in the 90s thought the stock markets would never stop, they thought their bull run would last forever, they thought unemployment would remain near 4% and no one was ever gonna let them go.

What’s infusing arrogance in Russian inflation on all fronts is the 50 + price of oil, this situation won’t last forever. Foreign investments have all but stopped in the CIS after westerners saw what Putin did to Khadrokovski. Today’s Russia is living on oil revenues and borrowed time. Oil prices will soon deflate, Bush and Rice will eventually grow inpatient with Putin’s near autocracy, apply pressure and Ruski dievushki will receive another, well deserved jolt much to our delight. :)

Suave-
History shows that the pendulum always swings back at some point,
but the Euro is a new phenomenon that has NO historical perspective
comparisons. If the US government wanted the dollar's value to rise,
I'm sure they have methods to influence that. Same story for what
its doing now, its no accident. In fact, it is one of the current Bush
administration's major unspoken foreign/fiscal policies.

So don't wait around to see it reverse itself by mysterious market forces.
You can be sure there are plenty of Bush's friends getting very rich due
to the current situation, that's his signature style to hold onto power.
And as always, the little guy ends up paying for that.

109 said it all, keep looking forward, not back, adapt and find different avenues.

Magnus,

You're arguing why the dollar is weak and I'm arguing why CF dievushki aren't presently cheap, two different arguments. You're not the only one who's aware the Bush administration is trying to export its way out of a stale economy and force the consumer to buy American. You can't however maintain a weak dollar policy forever, no foreign institutional investor, or a pegged country would tolerate his or its dollar-denominated assets vanishing on paper or real-time. And this is regardless how cheap and attractive said assets were purchased in the first place. It's a medium term measure to achieve an economic end.

Take the European constitution for example, if the French vote on 29 May to reject it through the scheduled referendum, it's the Euro that'll go into a tailspin not the dollar. So here's a "mysterious" political force for ya rather than economical. And signs are the French aren't very enthused about the European constitution and will vote no. The market, political and global forces are inclined against Bush's weak dollar policy, a weak dollar is a destabilizing global factor, so Treasury won't be able to direct it indefinitely. The tell tales signs of that are beginning to emerge, it was at 1.36 weeks ago and now it's around 1.29 vs. the Euro.

So I won’t resign myself and surrender to the $200 CF hike, it’s not here to stay, the dievushki have another thing comin’ and comin’ soon, better days are in store for us, not them.

The US is an empire now, and sooner rather than later it will revert to the belief that a strong dollar is the emblem of its prestige and affordable whoring.
;)

I think 1o9 probably has it right. The break up of the SU was a cataclysmic event, socially and economically, and it threw everyone into a state of disarray. There were a lot of desperate folks, women included, who needed to make a living any way they could.

The economy in Russia is vastly improved since then, particularly in Moscow, where educated, intelligent and capable people can now make salaries approaching those here in the States.

As RM commented about his email date, this creates a whole new set of problems for a single professional woman in Moscow.

Bottom line is, the girls just don't need the money that much any more. They can actually (gulp) get a job and make an honest living.

When you add to that the devaluation of the dollar, you've got a double whammy.

I think the same thing happened in Argentina. The guys who were lucky enough to be there during the winter of 2001/2002 were having a field day. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. All of a sudden they were getting 3 times as many pesos for their dollar, but the chicas were still charging pre-deflation prices. The chicas at Black, which is the equivalent of Night Flight, were doing all nighters for 30 bucks!

Of course, the market was flooded with American tourists, the chicas wised up and the market has stabilized. The only difference is, in BA the peso has yet to return to parity with the dollar. It is one of the few places left in the world where Americans still have a currency advantage.

I think it's clear the same thing has happened in Russia, or at least Moscow. The club girls are more likely to stick to their price, and there has been a definite increase in the posted prices of the internet dyefki. The rate structure used to be 50/70/100 dollars per hour, now it's 70/100/150. And it's not unusual to see some girls asking for 200 an hour or 400 or 500 a night.

Even the tochkas cost more!

So basically, it's back to normal, and we'll have to get used to it. But still worth the trip. IMHO

счастливо,

Stravinsky

O.K. I heard a story on the radio today about some degenarate who robbed a sex shop accross from Gorky park. Apparently, he stole a life sized sex doll and some lingerie to the total value of $360.

With the abundance of fine female specimens in Moscow, I can't believe that this heinous crime was commited by a Russian ;) . I am going out on a limb and guessing it was some drunken monger from the WSG board. Hehehe, I'll be keeping an eye out, especially for the Doc :D

I can't make an analyzes of the dynamics and the laws of offer and demand and all those factors that nobody really understand.

But we don't need to go that deep to see that is affecting to all of us (well, most of us)

We just need a little of union and conscience to make the difference.. Solution's always easy but we like to look for very complex impossible tasks.. (humans being vise)

It is true that; If there are big expenders spoiling the girls they will learn faster than a UFO to raise the prices.

We need to STOP over paying. I NEVER paid more then 150 dlls in CF and I'm whit DOc. I ratter to go and look for some other alternatives.

I only paid ones 300 in NF and 200. As soon they stared feeling the last Coca-Cola in the desert I quitted.

And the problem is not paying or not,, the problem is that there are a lot of people that can't afford it.. I may afford it but I don't think is right.

We crash the market everywhere, and then everybody is complaining beacuse people talk shit about Americans etc.. they are right in many aspects to be mad of us.

Is not just the obvious develop of the society. Call girls in Moscow make A LOT more money than regular citizens.. If we stop paying they will bring the prices down for sure.. But I doubt that people will understand this. I may look for some other place not too spoiled.

Same happened in Brazil. Brazil was a paradise until all kind of foreigners whit a lot of money staring paying double and finishing sex in 5 minutes,, now is hard to find a girl whit good services and good prices.. this is the creation of the PROS. We don't want a westernize type of service (expensive and tasteless) do we?

I will stop posting expensive services, makes no sense if You guys can have the same for less,, just look a little bit harder.

Bye the way, Argentina still being a good place to go and prices still under control. Please do what locals do! Don't you think that poor Russians will heat us for all this? Is getting more and more harder for then to get laid with a call girl. Lets think in global. Argentineans and Brazilians don't like us for the same reason, and we ***** because they treat us like shit and always try to steal our money. Is sad but it is very real. We harvest what we plant.

Pd: El suave (The soft?). Sorry man, but yes, you are boring and every time you open the mouth smell very rotten. I haven't see ANY good contribution from you. Dude do you have a life? Can you share something about girls. I guess we want some useful realities here.

En buena onda maestro.

DeAldo

I am, of course, humbled by the experienced and thoughtful posters here, but wanted to add a thought.

The weak dollar and the glee the anti-US press takes in it, may determine the pricing and mood of the market. However, I think its more the ability of the women to judge customers and their ability/desire to pay, is what increases prices. Each night these women are selling a time-constrained commodity, to men who are also time-constrained - as time to party winds down, so do prices, unless the dyev decides to go home alone. And of course, when you consider that Russian dyevs for 200/300 a night are a bargain for most US-based guys, its no wonder these women price themselves as they do. I still think that at even 400/500, many of these women are a great bargain. The angst some guys have, IMHO, is that you can bury a few hundred here and there on expense statements, but a few thousand is more difficult. My guess is that many big companies have been paying these dyevs nightly fees, not mongers.

With oil at $50+, Russia's economy should be blasting off, but its not - capital flight hit a record in 1Q05. I'd guess the "good old days" may return in the next 18 months, as Chinas economy slows down and US interest rates rise.

Good luck and safe mongering!

The prices may be higher right now, but just wait until the summer when all those student girls from the provinces decide to move to the big bad city for a couple of months to earn some money for the year to come :D

When the competition increases the prices have to be brought down due to there being more dyevs competeing for the same amount of guys. Just remember not to be desperate to score. If she asks for too much go to the next girl there are plenty of them about. Candyland is aptly named and there are plenty of flavours and tastes to choose from :D

NY Monger:

$200-300 for Russian babes may be a once in a lifetime experience that most hobbysists don’t want to pass up, but a woman who charges $500 isnt a bargain…

Sure, if you have the money, spend it as you see fit. That’s not the issue. A lot of guys can pay it easily or are even on an expense account… more power to them. If there was ever a society that celebrates decadent success more than America, its Russia. I am the last to complain about this.

No, I don’t expect to get much for $100 in Moscow anymore. Nor could I still survive on my 1998 salary. I wish I had a cocaine crutch, it’d be cheaper than mongering.

But a $500 bargain??!! Perhaps if you are a Moscow based 50ish Russian almost millionaire with an hyperaging 30-year-old ex-grade B model in tow, her rapidly misforming body clad in Dior and Prada and her once beautiful nose nursing a $500 coke habit to help her forget that her youth is gone and will never return… then maybe a $500 supple model-esque 18 year old from Perm is indeed a bargain and a welcome respite from a nagging bitter yet diligently fashionable boutique-kept sukette.

I love the stories about snotty $500 NF pros driving their clients home in new Mercedes or… at the very least… brand new $30,000 prostitution-financed cars. That tan? Its from Ibiza. That Bulgari jewelry? Its from her stupid boyfriend, some doting john or she bought it herself as a prozac substitute. Considering that the actual sex act (incl. foreplay and small talk) for most johns lasts less than an hour, she’s making $500 an hour and spends the other 2-3 hours with you drinking your wine, enjoying your Jacuzzi and writing SMSs to her girlfriends or the next john. Some of these girls (probably most of them by now) arent’t even giving uncovered blowjobs or providing even the simplest forms of GFE… DFK... the tongue kiss.

Some mongers do better than others and I TRUST (and hope...) that at least we WSG mongers are making these girls WORK for the money and getting a truly memorable experience out of it. Punish them for their insolence, they may even enjoy it.

A bargain at $500...

Those prices redefine the mongering food chain and would make me ponder:

“who’s fucking who?”

Will she respect you in the morning?

...actually, if you’re so filthy fucking rich that $500 is a bargain for you, SHE JUST MIGHT! :)

Doc,

In the summer of 2002 I frequented the Cotton Trail brothel in Santa Esmeralda county, Nevada. This brothel and many like it have indoor lineups not unlike Moscow’s tochkas. I picked a tall, leggy and very pretty, suntanned pro who turned out to be Playboy’s Miss March 1998. After negotiating, she wouldn’t go less than $1000 for an hour even though she was near 30. I never took her on because she wasn’t much different than 9s you see sometimes at CF and more often at NF.

What’s your point you rightly ask. I hear ya. When NY Monger speaks of $300 - $400 still being a bargain, he speaks in comparison to US prices, standards and expectations of US-based mongers. Nor is he wrong on this.

So when a US-based male, not yet exposed to what the mongering world has to offer out there, hears of an attractive, leggy and accommodative pro willing to go all night for $400, sure he sees a bargain. Compared to the overpriced ST crap he gets in the US along with fears of incarceration why shouldn’t it be?

Only hardened, in the know expats or frequent travelers frown at the $4 and $500s all nighters. It’s all relative, nor do I think NY Monger would be wasteful and super affluent should he agree to pay $500 for an all nighter with a 9. Now once a Los Angeleno, an Arkansan or a New Yorker has a drink with the Doc and juices up some of that Slank knowledge we all appreciate and seek, he’ll be able to secure that 9 for a mere $200, I’m sure of that.

Cut the US boys some slack Doc.

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To get back to the point.

On Tuesday night, my last night in Moscow, I decided to spend some time in the strip clubs and then either take one of the dancers home or find somebody else at NF or whatever.

Started with 911 VIP. Had a bad feeling about it after not being allowed in two days before, but it was literally around the corner so I went anyway. It turned out to be the most dull and boring place I've ever been in. The girls clumsily undress on a small stage, then come up to you, slide their hips a couple of times in your general vicinity, pick up their tip and leave. When I came in around 11, there was only one more guy there, and about 8 or so girls. When they weren't on stage, the girls just sat around in the big chairs with distant looks on their faces and avoided all eye contact. After a completely uninspired privat with the only girl in the place above a 6, I left in disgust. What a waste of time and money. Avoid at all costs.

Next stop: Shandra. Much better than last week, a lot of girls and plenty of good choices. The North Ossetian chick who I've had the last time I was there caught me right at the entrance as I was walking in, and wouldn't fucking let me go for the rest of my time there. 'Let's go have sex' were her first words to me, and she continued to hover over me non-stop, jumping on my lap all the time and scaring off other dancers. I just couldn't get rid of her. She was a horrible lay to begin with, and now also turned out to be incredibly annoying. My recommendation is to steer clear of that chick. She may be one of the hottest girls at Shandra, but in the end it's just not worth it.

Finally met this other girl, a darker skinned brunette of Rumanian descent with incredible natural Ds. We hit it off pretty well, and she asked me if I wanted to leave the club and go spend time somewhere else. For this you have to pay a 3,000 r fee to the club by the way, plus the girl may also ask you for something extra for herself. Nastya invited me to some karaoke bar where we spent a couple of hours. I think the place was called Kafka or something like that, and it seemed like a good place to meet women. There were quite a few tipsy girlies sitting around the place, and if I didn't have Nastya constantly in my lap my rendition of L-O-V-E could have netted me a phone number or two.

Anyway, had some sex with Nastya but honestly it wasn't as good as I expected, and the thought of leaving Moscow in just a few hours left me wanting more. It was 5:30 am, but my favorite website's graphic said '24H' so I called up good old trusty Christina from elite-escorts. Obviously woke her up and it took her a little while to fully come to, but she was instantly courteous and said of course they'd send somebody over. The girl that came over went under Julia, but I don't think they even pretended she was the Julia on the website. She was at my door in about 10 minutes by the way, which was absolutely amazing. Julia was a rather striking tall blonde, very charming, and certainly a great bargain at $100 / hr. Julia obviously looked like she just woke up, but she was still very nice to me and worked me over real well with great skill and attention. I gave her a good tip and, seeing as how I was leaving and obviously wouldn't take it with me, let her into the fridge and told her to take whatever she wanted. She walked away with a nice unopened bottle of Merlot, half a bottle of Bacardi and some Mayonaise. So I think she left my place hating me a little less than when she came in. Out of everybody I've gotten from elite escorts, she was certainly the best.

Doc-

I have enjoyed your posts for a long time and agree with your assesment. But....for many US-based guys throwing in the extra 100/200 for a 8/9 who will stay all night, even if shes just sleeping or watching TV, seems like a good deal.

Heres why - In NYC, a non-pro model quality woman is simply unavailablke to most middle-aged guys unless you're provably wealthy, meaning can support her in a budget of +/-$5,000/month and then you see her 5/10 times a month for an hour or two and shes still free to line up other guys for the same deal.

A semi-pro model quality babe, probably a 8/9, who looks/acts like an A-list party girl, will get $2,000 a night, if not $3,000 if media/fashion parties are in NY that week.

A real porn star pro, who stays the night will get 3,000+. There are guys who throw parties for these women and will spend 10-20,000 for a crazy weekend.

So, its all relative, but, the real fun, for any monger isnt over-paying, its the chase of finding the gem and enjoying her, until she meet five other mongers and the deal changes.

Good luck and safe mongering!

1o9,

I'm impressed. They roused themselves out of a sound sleep in order to keep a customer satisfied. And did their jobs with a smile, no less.

You must be a good customer.

Stravinksy

1o9,

Is that the karaoke bar on ул. 1905 году, opposite the Int'l Trade Center?

It's always interesting to find out where the working girls go to relax.

Stravinsky

Strav,

Yup, that's it. Found some photos of the place on 1905 goda, and that is indeed where we went:
[url]http://www.go-magazine.ru/venues/show/2269[/url]

Not sure if that's really a place where a lot of working girls go, but it did seem like an excellent spot to score some freebies. Besides ourselves there were mostly girls there, in pairs and in larger groups. The two or three guys in the place were all drunken mafia types singing мурка and other блатные songs. So it'll certainly be on my list to visit on a boring weekday night after a failed date or something.

Hey MoscowMongers:

Heading to town for a couple weeks and looking for a russian newspaper I thought was called the Sporting News. The reason is that last time I was there in 2002, I picked up a copy at the newstand and the last half of the paper was dedicated to Russian freelancers who usually worked out of their apartments. They were economical and usually fairly accomodating for a foreigner with a basic language skill.

Can someone guide me to a daily or weekly newspaper I can buy that provides such contact information? Also any pointer on Tochkas in the NW area would be appreciated as well.

ogman

Sorry, shoulda been more specific. I am out by the Shukinskaya metro stop. Also any relaxing (our kind) or Banyas or girlie bar recommendations in the area would be valued as well. Thanks! ogman

ogman,

unlike saint pete, moscow isn’t a print gazette or classifieds city. it has crappy local papers like 'chastnaya zhizn' (means private life) which offer crappy chicks who aren’t cheap. nor will you know how they look like till face to face. regardless of how good your russian is, the local print classifieds aren’t worth your time.

local muscovites resort to the internet for the hobby. in the moscow area the selection, quality and geographical distribution is second to none. the ultimate sites are ston.ru, zna.nu, intimhouse.ru and redclub.ru amongst others rep001tered on this board.

in the print classifieds everything is cryptic, on the net most everything is clear, 65% - 70% of the time what you see is what you get. and often what you get is comparable to what you saw. if you’ve basic russian skills you’ll succeed in either visiting salons (private hookers houses), or to a more difficult extent getting a viezd (a house call), house calls are a bit extra and harder to secure.

tochkas are all over moscow and in a constant state of flux. now in may and due to the festivities and dignitaries who’ll be in town, lineups will be subdued. however, here are some known locations separated by semicolons: near the university on leninski prospekt; across from the marriot grand; off the garden ring a 100 meters north of kurskaya metro on a small street called sadovi tup; down leningradskoe shosse on the way to sheremetyevo, outside the mkad, past the gai checkpoint and the grand mebel store; tverskaya metro underpass tochka (near pushkinskaya metro); east of mayakovskaya metro about 200 meters past a big supermarket on your right hand side.

for daytime tochka action, the only active lineups are on the way to sheremetyevo airport in an area called ximke or khimke, your tell will be the big ikea store.

finally, private or gypsy rides in moscow are no good at flushing out tochki, and sometimes won’t know what da fuck you’re talking about. your best bet are traditional yellow cabs, they cost a bit more, but they know where they’re going and won’t give you the shame on you look. hope this helps, good luck and come back with pictures.

Heya, guys:

I'm an old poster on the Brasil thread, and have been thinking of making a trip to Moscow. I've crawled this board and am left a little "spread out" to make any kind of intelligent approach to Moscow.

Can someone please post what, by concensus, seems to be the best 5 mongering spots in Moscow (clubs, discos, houses, free-lance clubs, etc.).

Also, what's the average price for a girl. 100-150USD? I hope not.

Thanks a lot in advance,
JWadd

J Wadd,

Firstly, the days of the $100-$150 average are long gone. In my experience last week, we're more in a $300 average. You'll be hard pressed to find anything worthwhile for a hundred bucks, and you certainly won't find that category in any of the top mongering spots.

Regarding the top spots, here's a basic rundown:

1. NightFlight. Tverskaya 17. Lots of good choices on virtually any night. Come around midnight or later. Prices at $300+, and the better looking girls all want $500

2. Chesterfield's / Doug & Marty. Zemlyanoi Val 26. Used to be good, but now good action is hard to find. Probably not worth your time on any night except Thursday and Friday. Mostly $200-$300 range.

3. Strip clubs. These will have a range of regular dancers, and the girls you can have sex with. The strip clubs have little sex rooms you can take the girl to, or if the girl agrees you can take her out of the club. The girl's 'day-off' fee to the club is usually 2x the fee of the little room. Price will be $150+ for the girl, and $50+ for the little room.
Check out
[url]http://www.exile.ru/club_guide/[/url]
for club locations. I personally had a good time at Oh La La, Honey and Shandra. Others also like Egoiste and Spearmint Rhino. Avoid 911 VIP.

4. Street 'tochkas'. Quality of goods ain't what it used to be, but if you drive around with a good driver for a while you will usually find a good option. Prices from $50 to $200, sometimes higher.

JWadd,

If you are coming from Latin America, expect some "sticker shock". Moscow ain't cheap. Depending on who's doing the reckoning, it's the most expensive city in the world, certainly one of the top 3.

Calculate what you would expect to spend per day for sex in Brazil and then triple it for Moscow. In addition, everything else will be more expensive as well; lodging, restaurants, clubs, drinks, taxis, etc.

If you speak a little Russian, then you will have access to the private apartments and internet girls who are usually not as expensive as the club girls. That's about your only option for saving money.

I think all the major clubs have been pretty well covered here in the forum. The Exile has a good list of clubs, but, in addition to the on-line listing that 1o9 posted, you might also want to check out the .pdf version of each issue. That is the most up to date. Also, the Moscow Times is an English language newspapaer published in Moscow. They have a website with club listings, [url]http://www.go-magazine.com[/url].

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Thanks, guys. 300USD for sex? WTF? Is that by the week? I've mongered in 40 countries and have never paid more than 200USD (for models in Brasil, and that only once or twice). I can just see it -- 300-500USD for all night and she leaves after 2 hours.

Is the Ukraine any better?

TIA again,
JWadd

Hmm maybe I should visit Brasil one of these days. Somehow, quietly, my love affair with Moscow became an exclusive relationship.

Never been to the Ukraine but looks like I'll be going next month. Judging by the posts in the Kiev board, the prices there are cheaper than Moscow, but still higher than what you're used to.


By the way, you may also try that other route, freebie sex. Things usually work pretty well for most who try internet dating, one of the most popular sites being omen.ru. Lots of Russian girls seem to want to meet foreign men.

Then there are various night clubs were regular non-pro women go to meet men. Some degree of charm and / or good looks may occasionally be needed here. If you have that women are rather easy to get, if you don't mind a quick rejection or two before striking gold. But, beware, a lot of them are clingy - like they say, you don't pay the pros to come with you, you pay them to leave and never come back. Don't make the mistake of giving these girls your real phone number or an email address. This one chick I met last November still emails me a 'where are you darling' once a week.

Lastly, I've personally had rather stable success just striking up conversations with women in public. On the street, in a store somewhere, etc. I get a lot of dates with waitresses and cashiers and store clerks, girls like that. They all lead a pityful existence on the level completely different than most pro girls you'll meet. These poor girls struggle to survive on a meager salary of $60 a month, and just don't get to have any fun in their lives. It's an incredible adventure for them to go out on the town with a dashing foreigner, and eat a meal that costs more than what they make a month.

Anyway, all this of course takes a lot more work and in general is on a completely different level of fun, but Russian freebies are just as beautiful as the pros, and it's almost as easy to get into their pants. So if you do come to Moscow you might try this route even if only for the change of pace it provides, not to mention the hundreds of dollars you'll be saving.

I am coming to Moscow 21-26 May. I could use any suggestions on how to approach satisfaction in this city. So much to choose from looking at the inputs on this board, but, if this was your first visit, where should I start? I was thinking about calling for a "visit" appointment, but, then I think it may be good to just go out an get a feel for the city and ladies at a strip club.

Any suggestions or suggested agendas most appreciated, either here or PM.

Ciao,

Ocean

ok moscow have became out of control whit prices.. girls never charged me more than 150 dlls in cf and 400 dlls in nf.. of course id didn't paid the girl from nf.. asking the question of j wadd and many other friends who have e mailed me,,,; here is a list whit some alternatives and some english speakers in moscow which are hard to find them in the internet that is another very common request.

[url]http://www.call-girls.ru/[/url] 150 dlls dispatcher speak excellent english
can be last option because the price
[url]http://individualki.ru/show_anket.h...ge=4&gr_id=1317[/url] liza some english 60 dlls
[url]http://www.freewebs.com/sweetangelica/index.htm[/url] very good english 150$
[url]http://www.elit.tv/index.phtml?id=21[/url] dispatcher speak english
[url]http://erotic-massage.ru/salon_p.htm[/url] university salon 70 dlls masha and sasha speak english
same owner has 2 more locations same prices,, one by pushking metro 969-2735
other by studenskaya metro 209-0064 no english dispatcher in these 2 last ones i can't find the links girls 5-6 sometimes 7

privates or salons $50 no english
[url]http://zna.nu/1108928888[/url]
[url]http://zna.nu/1102450588[/url]
[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=1919[/url]

[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=1716&nphoto=2[/url] 70 dlls no english

[url]http://dolls.nu/?pg=photo&id=2129[/url] 70 dlls no english

[url]http://erotic-massage.ru/salon_kp.htm[/url] 100 dlls no english
[url]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17124[/url] leninshky prospect metro 70 dlls no english girls look a lot better in pictures [url]
[ur]http://www.intimcity.ru/persons.php?id=17565[/url] leninsky prospect too

salon [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url],, dispatcher speak english.. can't find the link, nice girls.. 6-7s 544-8505 100 dlls 518-7750 and 544-8505 balshoisuhariavsky ul (did i say righ??) by suharevskaya metro
[url]http://x-club.org/?show_girls=1[/url] 4 salons in these link. x-club, rusaloshky, night cat(my love inna doesn't work there anymore sniff) and deluxe. prices are there,pictures accurate but produced.

x-club and nightcat have english speakers dispatchers..

1o9, i will wait for your reviews from ukraine.. i have been there as well, (odessa and crimea), unfortunately i couldn't monger because i was very busy whit some girlfriends that didn't let me any minute of rest in those few days. but i really want to go free!

as i told before brasil is a paradise still.. but pleaseeee do not crash the market hehehe. we love to have a democratic mongering continent.

i have a friend in rio and a couple in sao paulo.. i prefer sao paulo,, the most beautiful girls go there for some reason.. but rio is better in party and beach. let me know if need any help.

Tochka Tour is a must. The best places are on Leningrandsky, way to Saint Pete. The other good one is in Stalinsgrandsky way to the other small airport,, forgot the name.

Do not waist time on Leninsky Prospect or Pushkyn metro. The militia have removed tochkas away. There is no sight of them around, at least in my last visit.

Sometimes civilians taxi cabs know better than yellow ones. (my experience)

Freebies: Is very easy. I met a LOT of girls everywhere, in the metro, in the malls, bars, cafes. restaurants, asking for directions etc.

BUT I had a lot of problems as well. If you don't know some Russian is hard to explain them that you are not interested in a long term relationship, and they can be very jealous girls, (had TOO many problems),

Another thing is many times you end up expending more money: dinner, drinks, fiesta, etc, etc. Sometimes you are lucky and hook them for straight sex. Once again, need to know Russian pick them up in a strip bar, or in a chat room.

Most of the times I prefer just to pay for a service, have a great time, and feel free next day when they have to go home. I have this severe addiction like most mongers.

For strip bars and horse houses there is plenty of data scrolling down.

Good luck everyone.

[QUOTE=Dealdo]Sometimes civilians taxi cabs know better than yellow ones. (my experience)[/QUOTE]Gypsy cabs are almost as dumb and stupid as Dildo, if you listen to him you’ll only get laid by ladyboys and homos. :eek:

El Suave:

Thank you for the internet guidance but take it easy on Dealdo. His word and guidance are appreciated as well. However, I am concerned to hear the girlieboys are that prevalent in the big city.

I won't have internet access in Moscow unless I head for an internet cafe and I'd prefer just to let my fingers and feet do the walking to an apartment building or full service spa in the NW area. I'll look into the tochkas but can something be done if you are in a cab? Do Tochkas have nearby cheap hotels or krovats where one can be accomodated without having your own car?

I'll chec out "private life" gazette but i there are any others, no matter how fruitless, I'd be interested in checking them out for myself if they are out there. The Sporting News back in 2002 brought me to a nice lady near the Belarus vokzal and we hooked up several times while I was there. Hopefully I'll be able to find something nearerto shukinskaya this time.

Ogman,

Tochkas have a whole satellite industry of by-the-hour rooms. There'll be babooshkas stationed along the road next to the tochka with cardboard signs, renting their nearby rooms to advernturers. I've never tried it myself but I know people who do, it seems to be pretty safe.

Regarding tochka drivers, I highly recommend the fellow who drove me around. He exclusively works with foreign tourists, speaks decent English, knows Moscow and all the tochkas like the back of his hand, and can get you off the hook with militia like nobody's business. His name is Ashot, and his cell is (095) 782-6853. Tell him you heard about him on the Internet, he'll be very pleased.

Suavecito,

I think Jackson has got enough to do without having to police your posts.

Personal attacks are nothing but a waste of valuable disk storage. If you have some information to impart, we would all be glad to hear it, otherwise, why don't you give it a rest?

Stravinsky

Is anyone familiar with this hotel and what delights might be within walking distance? I am going to meet some colleagues and they are reserving this hotel. Just don't want to be out in the middle of know-where's-ville, if you know what I mean.

Thanks,

Ocean

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]Suavecito,
I think Jackson has got enough to do without having to police your posts[/QUOTE]Stravinyoshka,

Remember when you thought the fidelity of your so called girlfriend was so infallible? The disappointment feels the same when I see you shining Jackson’s shoes. What? Jack ain’t a big boy? He needs Vinsky to make the case? Stick to wishin’ folk good luck in Russian pal.

Damm, softy just don't quit whit that actitud. Jackson already censured one of my "poems" for softy LOL (It was so romantic hehehe)

But I still looking all kind of attacks from him to everybody. Umm what is wrong whit this picture?

Anyways, For all the other guys who need some tips. (I have to repeat that it was ONLY my experience)

I waist many hours whit yellow taxi cabs looking for Dievushkas. They didn't had a clue where to find them. This way I found that Leninsky Prospect and all Downtown was out of Tochka girls. Same as El Suave, these drivers didn't have updated the information,, totally disaster.

BUt here are a couple of civilian drivers that really know where and when to find the tochkas.

Gallar 8-906-051-5384. (50% English) Rafik 8-903-789-1822 (Poor English)
Gary 8-915-237-0495. (No English)

About the babushkas: As you know I had some problems whit some freebies, So one day I was trying to sneak away But I couldn't go to my room because She know my location. So I decided to try the Babushka apartment. This lady set her self By the Ring near Kursky metro.. her apartment is by Ploshchad Ilicha metro.. her name is Galina and her daughter speak good English 8-903-766-8545 rent for a night is 1000 rbls.. (expensive in my opinion) the apartment is not nice and the bed is real uncofortable..but is a life saver in those moments.

I saw some other babushkas By Leningrandsky and Stalinsgrandsky But you need to go early. Apartments get rented soon and babushkas go home.

Suavecito,

If you disagree with what someone else has posted, then make your case. What actual experiences have you had with Gypsy cabs in Moscow that would tend to dispute Dealdo's advice? What constructive and helpful guidelines can you give us for dealing with cabs in general. What experiences and advice do you have to offer?

If any...

Stravinsky

I'll second 109 in his reccomendation of Ashot. Armenian good guy. He has driven me on 2 sepaparate visits. $30-40 and helps

JQ

Art Hotel: meh. It's kind of close to some tochkas, but other than that it's kind of far from anything. Most everything else is concentrated within the Garden Ring. If you plan on checking that out, be ready to endure long periods of silence in a cab as you gaze at dimly lit Moscow slums and the English deprived pro is apathetically stroking your hand with her cold well manicured fingers.


Now, on the topic of gypsy drivers, I personally wouldn't trust some random guy I randomly flagged on the street to do a good tochka run. Every other gypsy driver I get doesn't even know how to get to some well known spot in the center. I guess it could still work OK if you stuck your thumb out and asked around, after a few drivers you'd eventually find somebody who'd know the field; and if you just wanted to check out the more visible well known tochkas downtown you wouldn't even need to look very hard.

But really, tochkas are turning into such shit lately that your driver needs to have the patience to go from place to place, and of course know where they're all located. It's hard to find decent goods as it is, and if you rely on a random gloomy gramps and his rickety antique you might be decreasing your chances even further.

I am not a big fan of Tochka, but it is a must see.

Lots of things depend on your luck. (ie: Cat's experience)

Instead of gypsy drivers my choice is always Georgion or Azeri drivers. I can also talk Turkish with those guys and always have some sort of connections with the Big Brothers.

But you have to be careful with these guys, they are always eager to get more.

109, is totaly right about the driver. Driver must know the locations and have patience, otherwise it turns into nightmare. You don't know, he does not know, just driving around the Garden Ring looking for the decoy girl. Besides, as they said some of the drivers have good deals with the mamushkas.

El suave,

Time to time shemales are more joyful and sinful than the real girls. They know how to make you hot and open to play rough, besides "man knows better what a man wants".

My humle advice is to experience threesome with one real girl and a TV or TS. It's hard to describe, only be experienced. It's one of the top moments, a girl blow you when she was f***ed by a TV. :))

AJ

Yeap, everything is so relative. I had better luck whit gypsy cabs, I made friends and "tourist guides". Besides many of the yellow just try to rip you off. Too bad. A friend of mine paid 100 DLLS! from the Airport to Arbat!

Good thing we have this board. So now is easier whit such a lot of options.

1o9 ones again thanks a lot for all your info. Man, you really are a professional and know well how to live the life! I take my hat off.

As Suavesito said; I'm just a kid comparing whit you and many other Doctors, Stravinskys, Cat's and many more.

And thanks to all for being patient.

DeAldo

Hello,

I paid 30$ from the airport to Hotel UKRAIN with internet: gotoru.com.

Jean

Guys

Never ever use the regular(yellow) taxi in Moscow. Those are the real swindlers.

If you need a transport from airport to your place(hotel or apartment), talk with the guys standing at the exit of international terminal. You can trust them. Negotiaion is possible. At the beginnig they ask $50 or equavelant in Euro from airport to garden Ring.

I always stay in an apartment close to Kolomenskaya metro station. It's almost 50 minutes drive from Sher.II . I have never pay more than $40. These drivers can speak little English and German.

Not only from ariport but also you don't need to use the regular(yellow) taxi in town. Just stand at the side walk, wawe your hand and 1 or 2 cars will definetly stop. Tell the destiantion and the amount you want to pay. IE: Tverskaya sto petdesiyat.

Airport taxi into town:

The price of a taxi begins at $100 as you exit customs and goes down to $35 once you actually exit the terminal and start walking towards the distant parking lots. Everybody knows that the taxi mafia controls the official taxis at the airport and in fact they are also involved with many of the inofficial ones too. Wonder why the oft-promised metro station out to the airport never seems to be finished and has more or less been forgotten?

I generally budget in 1000 rubles for transport into town... $35. I've never paid more for a gypsy taxi and sometimes pay as low as 600-700. Lately prices have gone up, but <1000 rubles still gets you into town.

There are cheaper bus and marshrutki bus/metro options but forget them. They are truly inconvenient. Besides, if you dont have $30 for a taxi into Moscow you probably should have stayed home and rented porn... :)

Real taxis will do it for $40-50 if you wait until outside the terminal to cut the deal.

If you are a regular traveler you may want to get the telephone number from a taxi driver you like and trust. They'll usually meet you at the airport if you send them an SMS ahead of time. The cost will likely be about the same (they dont go much cheaper than $30 these days... that's the minimum) but you'll have a ride waiting for you. Or order a taxi ahead of time by phone or internet. Also about $40.

I always either arrange a car through the apartment service or just grab a gypsy taxi outside the terminal for $35. Never a problem.

Airport taxi back to the airport:

Anywhere from 600-1000 rubles ($20-35) will get you to the airport with a gypsy taxi. Big Bro AJ is right, this is really easy. Just agree to a price beforehand or you will have a surprise when you arrive there.

You can also negotiate with real taxis if you choose. They'll drive to the airport for anywhere from $30-70 but generally want 1200-1500 rubles ($40-50). Always agree on a price beforehand. Never just jump in a cab and say "take me to the airport." They'll charge you (at least) the "official" fare if you do and it is $60+.

Tochka taxis:

If you have a good tochka driver, stick with him and use him regularly. He'll save you a lot of time and effort.

I've had luck both with official taxis and inofficial ones... but prefer gypsy taxis since they are cheaper. Generally speaking, Georgian, Armenian and Azeri drivers do know the tochkas best... and are happy to have a look at the girls and give you advice on which ones to choose. Don't trust their advice... they are "blonde blind" and think all blonde girls are good-looking. They just can't seem to look past the hair... :)

They are generally quite fun and friendly people, unfortunately they are also militia magnets and the girls hate their beat up, kerosene-smelling aging Ladas. Besides that, they generally charge more than the Russians. They are born hagglers and will try to squeeze every ruble out of you. And they are persistent. Usually they want at least 600 ($20) for a tour and often more. Be sure you get one that knows his way around... if he seems uncertain about your request, find another. There are many immigrants in Moscow now driving cabs that dont know there way around Moscow at all.

I prefer Russian guys as drivers, or cleaned up Georgians. And a clean car. It probably makes little difference to the militia in the end, but my luck has been best with Russian guys in somewhat modern cars... usually the newer "streamlined" Ladas.... preferably with a spoiler in back... :)

If you are going to take a real taxi, just agree on a price beforehand. I remember a recent tour with Shos (a world-class taxi price negotiator by the way) who arranged a real taxi for $30... and we covered Leningradsky, Leninsky, Mira Prospekt, the 3 train stations and even stopped into CF for a beer while the driver waited outside before moving on to continue the search... we were driving around for more than an hour.... as with many things in Moscow, its all a matter of negotiation.

One more thing to add about the taxis. I do usually steer clear of the official cabs, but in one case they are indispensible. I visit my Russian employees at their homes every once in a while, and some of them live hell knows where on some forgotten little street in the middle of a slum. I don't feel very comfortable walking out there in the middle of the night and flagging down cars; and even if I did I'd probably spend a while trying to actually find one out there on the empty streets.

So, what I do is have one of the Russians call a cab company and call me a cab. They make sure to tell the dispatcher that I want to be charged by the meter. The cab will be by my door within 30 minutes, usually faster, and I get a nice quiet ride home. When charged by the meter, you get just about the best damn deal in town. Ride from Krasnogvardeiskaya to Mayakovskaya cost me 180 r.

So, if you're ever stuck in the middle of nowhere on a rainy night, it's a good idea to have a Russian call you an official cab and ask to pay by the meter.


By the way, anybody have any experience with Moscow limo companies? Sometimes I want to impress my Russian associates, and feel a little silly jumping out of a beat up Zhiguli next to their shiny MBs with chauffeurs and ohrana. I remember seeing some ad for some agency where you can get an S-class with a driver for $60 an hour, but can't for the life of me figure out where I saw it. Anybody every use anything like that?

My first time in Moscow will be from June 3 - 11 and will be staying at the MOSCOW - LESNAYA Holiday Inn. Its suppose to be new. Any reports? Girl Friendly? I have been reading many posts and now think that maybe should have went with a Apt from Moscow Star. Next time for sure.

[QUOTE=Big Bro AJ] Time to time shemales are more joyful and sinful than the real girls. They know how to make you hot and open to play rough, besides "man knows better what a man wants".[/QUOTE]Yes AJ, would you be kind enough to post the photo whereby you performed fellatio on your shemale? Will you make sure it’s the one in which you were creamed real good? You know, when your shemale gave you a memorable facial? Tell the board how “joyful” that was.

[QUOTE=Dildo]As Suavesito said; I'm just a kid comparing whit you and many other Doctors, Stravinskys, Cat's and many more[/QUOTE]Don’t kid yourself sport, kids are smart, cute and resourceful, traits which you never had, nor will you ever acquire. However, don’t deprecate yourself vis a vis the members you list in above quote, you’re in good and comparable company. ;)

PD... The Holiday Inn is new and looks nice. It is very close to the Belarusskaya metro. Never heard any reports of their attitude of visiting guests, but when I walked past yesterday it seems very busy with biz men. Be sure to report because I imagine the HI will be a logical spot for many visitors because of the lower costs compared to the Marriotts/Sheraton/Hyatt.

HI Mongers,

I will stay of week at hotel ORLYONOK located Kosygina Street.

Could anybody tell me if this is a girl-friendly hotel?

Is there any "good" spot around?

Thanks

Scoubidou,

Can't say if the Orlyonok is dyefki-friendly, but it is the home to Club 911, which, from what I can tell, is one of the biggest strip clubs in Moscow.

Talk about convenience!

[url]http://www.911club.ru/index.htm[/url]

Stravinsky

Hey guys,

I will be in moscow the last 10 day of May, and I have continued to communicate with some freebies that i met last winter. And now that they know i will be in town, they all want to see me!

My problem is that, some are coming from outside cities just to see me. They have friends in Moscow, with whom they can stay with, but i am afraid that they will want to spend the whole day with me, spend the night in my rented apartment, and not allow me to explore and partake of other girls.

I would appreciate some advice, on how to juggle several women on one trip.
What are some excuses i could give to get rid of them after having sex?

Given that i have friends in Moscow, how can i leverage them to help me out? What strategy works best without being rude?

Thanks for the advice!

Chachapoya,

I don't mean to be rude, but that's easily one of the silliest questions I've seen asked on these boards. The solution is self evident and extremely simple. You don't need elaborate stories, or any help from your friends. Just tell the girls when it's convenient for you to meet them, and when they should leave. That is all.

Meet them in the early afternoon, 'when you get off work', and then leave them in the early evening when 'you need to have dinner with your business partner'. Make sure to part ways long before bedtime so they don't get any ideas about staying at your place. That's it.

You're obviously not a very good or experienced liar (which is a good thing I guess), so don't overdo it. Don't tell them elaborate stories, or dwell too much on the details. Approach the whole thing as a given; don't ask her about it - present her with the fact. With most of the girls I'm seeing more than once, I simply tell them I have a date with another girl and they accept that no problem.

Anyway, most importantly, have a good time. There's plenty of fish in the sea, and there's absolutely no reason to give yourself a headache over some girl you need to juggle. Instead you can direct that effort at finding a new girl. You can almost certainly find a better looking, nicer girl than any of your out-of-towners, without any of the headache.

Moscow is the city where the streets are paved with sex. No man in Moscow should ever be bothered with these issues. Just do what you want, and don't worry about offending a girl. If a girl gets offended by you seeing other people, well, let her find herself some other fool, and you find yourself a less clingy girl.

Has any one know on line English-Russian slang dictionary or something like this [url]http://www.escorts.com/glossary.html[/url] in Russian.

Chachapoya, fact of the matter is that if you "do" blow them off, they will want you even more! Russian girls seem to really go after the guys who they think are sought after by other women AND don't seem to care too much for them. Many times once they get the man all cuddly and safely tucked away, then they start looking for another challenge.

Sound familiar?

Bottom line... tell them you are busy and have other plans. They will still be there for you.

Will too be in Moscow June 3 - 11 and would love to meet up with any of you senior members. This will be my first time in Moscow but have enjoyed her fruits in China, UAE, NYC, etc. and looking forward to seeing where they come from!

Another thing, will be staying at the LESNAYA Holiday Inn as said before will post a full review afterwards but am wondering if anybody can recommend a good airport - hotel taxi service. Thinking about doing the VIP service to get through customs but need a reliable ride into town.

Anybody know how far my hotel is from NF? Is this place only open at night? Will be arriving mid afternoon and would not mind a few hours of welcome service.

Chachapoya:

Ca_T and 109 give great advice, I would only add that whatever you do, you must make sure that you maintain control of your own schedule... that you stay in the driver's seat.

109 writes: "Meet them in the early afternoon, 'when you get off work', and then leave them in the early evening when 'you need to have dinner with your business partner'. Make sure to part ways long before bedtime so they don't get any ideas about staying at your place. That's it."

That is golden advice... I do the same all the time and it is always accepted. Sure, most will assume that you are meeting another girl... it may anger them, but it also reinstates your status as a stud in their mind and reassures them that they made the right decision in spreading for you. In the end, you are just doing your civic duty and "spreading the wealth."

You are lucky enough to have 10 days... you can meet 30 girls in 10 days if you want... but try not to overschedule... and dont be afraid to cancel or blow off a girl entirely. If you are going to play the freebie market you will have to learn to be cold and/or egotistic at times... otherwise it simply wont work. I used to have a problem with this... I was too nice and I was paranoid about letting " a great girl" get away or disappointing her. But let's face it... the girls in Moscow ARE great... but assuming that you are only interested in having sex with her, then 98% of the girls you meet are replaceable and you wont have to look farther than the next club to find her replacement.

I also suggest leaving some nights open... date-free. The thrill of going out and hunting without knowing how the evening will end is part of Moscow's charm...

Philly,

I already recommended this guy Ashot a few posts down for all your taxi needs, except he's not exacly a VIP service. Like most other Moscow cabs, he drives an old rickety Russian-made antique the size of a sardine can. I keep dreaming about a decent car with comfy leather seats and some leg room, but haven't found anything so far.

NF: I think it's open during the day in its restaurant form, but if you actually want to find a girl it makes no sense to show up before midnight. Most other places, too. If you want something in the afternoon I think your only option is to order somebody on the Internet, or maybe visit one of the massage salons.

By the way, just to hammer this in. I've recently had a conversation over PM with a lurker who kept complaining about not finding any decent action at NF at all. Only after a while did I realize he was coming there at 8 PM. That's, ahem, well, haw haw. Midnight is when the working girls just begin to show up. If you have to get up for work in the morning, be ready to get most of your sleep in the afternoon. Good action starts late.

you have to remember that as a foreigner you are expected to be a professional. They expect you to be constantly in "business meetings".

I have told even girls at 10:30 pm on weekends that I have to go to a "business meeting" to finish the date or to kick a date out of the flat, only to meet the next date (or Dr Skank) 15 minutes later.

Never had one complain, never even had one raise an eyebrow. Its perfectly accepted.

As for Lesnaya Holiday Inn, ... never heard of it. Whats the address?

It's located near the intersection of Lesnaya and Tverskaya, near Metro Byelorusskaya.

It's outside the Ring, and a fair ways from Night Flight.

109... actually NF is one of the places that some of the girls actually do arrive earlier than midnight. If you go to dinner there between 2200-2230, you'll be able to get a preview of the girls as you eat if you position yourself so you can see the entrance to the toilet. Then when you finish between 2300 and 2330, there will be alot of girls in the bar. Of course, more will continue to show up, but you can start earlier this way. Don't forget that if you have dinner you don't pay the entrance charge.

In fact, even at CF you are starting to get some girls filtering in at 2300. Used to be they wouldn't let the WG in before midnight, but they've loosened that up. Of course, it really isn't going strong until way after midnight.

RM... the new HI is on ulitisa Lesnaya. If you go up Tverskaya from the Kremlin/RSq at the stop light in front of metro/volksal Belarusskaya, hang an immediate hard right. You have an option to veer off right, but Lesnaya is the furtherest street on the right. It is maybe 100 meters down the street on the left.

Scoubidou,

I stayed at the Orlyonok a couple of years ago. There are a lot of WG around the casino area in the evenings but no idea on prices. I even remember a guy and a couple of girls canvassing for a massage parlour somewhere in the hotel complex. It seemed to be pretty girl friendly and I took a girl from DMBH back there no problem. I wandered into 911 to take a look and didn't even stay for one beer. The place was deserted - I would have been the only customer and the hour was late and the hotel and casino full with business people. Hotel is very comfortable, good value and has a lot of different restaurants, bars, bowling, etc.

Ricardo Cabron

[QUOTE=Scoubidou]HI Mongers,

I will stay of week at hotel ORLYONOK located Kosygina Street.

Could anybody tell me if this is a girl-friendly hotel?

Is there any "good" spot around?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

once we are talking out of the ring I am lost.

Went out for a late, very late by my standards, tochka run last Monday night. First of all, the tochkas have probably been shut down for the last couple of weeks because of all of the Victory Day celebrations and all of the foreign leaders in Moscow.

However, on the way to CF on Monday I counted about six beacon girls and it was very early and still daylight. So, after a few beers and a nice session at SL, I was on my way home and realized that the B girls were still out so, I told my driver, Ya Hachu Dyvushka, and off we went. I was actually very surprised that at the "late" hour there were several innocent looking girls at the first couple we went to, but the grass is always greener so off we go to see more. In the process the driver became positive that he knew the "perfect" girl for me and so we proceed to head out of Moscow for a road trip. Finally we get to the girl's place and she is cute but not enough for me to lay out the bucks... So off we go back to Moscow.

We stopped at a couple more places and surprisingly found a couple more keepers and it was 0230 at this point.

But, I decided to call it a night.

The bad news is that the lower priced, 3,000 rubles, girls were not worth a damn all of the keepers were 4,500 rub and up. The good news is that the tochkas seem to be back with a vengence AND more importantly, the militicia seemed to be staying hands off. Maybe this is their reward for shutting down for so long during the celebrations.

Another bit of good news is that the USD:Ruble exchange rate has crept back up to very near 28:1. So, the USD is still relatively unchanged since 12/2003 when it was 28.6:1.

Well, about tochkas. Has anyone had a truly positive experience there lately? Might just be my luck, but in the past couple of years every single tochka girl I've gotten was weird in one way or another. They all seemed to have either emotional, mental or developmental problems. By the time we'd get around to business their personalities would make me lose any attraction for these women, and I'd barely enjoy sex at all. Is it just the case of me not picking them right or having overly high expectations, or are the tochka girls largely becoming completely worthless ruined human beings only useful as a penis receptacle? Every time I go on a tochka run I have high hopes, but afterwards always end up feeling like I dove headfirst into sewage.

On another note, a buddy of mine came back from Moscow last night. He went to Rasputin the strip club with his buddies and raved about it. They have something called 'crazy menu' in there which has all sorts of unusual options like body painting the stripper, eating whipped cream off of her body, or performing a dance on the main stage. One of the things he ordered, for $100 every employee of the club had to refer to him as 'your majesty' for the rest of the evening. Now, that's my kind of fun.

I'll be in Moscow next month so I'm definitely planning to check it out and post a more detailed review.

109:

Tochkas... my recent experience was average... the girls were OK in the looks and body department, but I felt it was overpriced at $150-150€ and my girls were not great performers. Both times I was with Shos and his girls were both cum-guzzling freaks... so he had a great time and his girls did EVERYTHING. So it is luck of the draw. I hope to draw more wisely next time... I didnt trust my own instincts and went for the stereotypically best looking available. They both had attitude when it came to performing the "extras" that tochka girls usually provide without hassle. Certainly nothing even approaching GFE or not even the equally satsifying SHE (Skank Ho Extravaganza). I have always had better luck going for the innocent looking girls. They seem to be the best providers for me, putting out GFE and SHE with relish.

Overall I would note these points:

* it's generally about 50% more expensive for decent quality than it used to be and the $100 category is largely undoable
* you still have the advantage of a guaranteed overnight stay
* the girls are rougher than their CF/NF/other club sisters...can be a good or bad thing dependeing on perspective and your taste.
* weekdays better selection than weekends

Crazy menu:

This has existed at every strip club (at least the dozen or so I have been to) for at least 5 years. Nothing new. But $100 just to be called "your majesty"? People actually pay for that? No BJ, HJ or even a peck on the cheek? Politely said, that is "crazy".

I agree with you both... Tochkas have provided some of the best and some of the worst experiences that I have ever had. Granted that the cost has gone up... If you read reports from all over the world, I think the prices unfortunately continue to increase.

Doc, as you say, the best experiences that I've had have come from the innocent "newbies". Of course, they still have to look at least cute.

109... I guess I am missing something in your report. $100 for Your Majesty? How much for God?

Overall, as doc said, and as I try to point out over the past 2+ years, tochkas are not regulated. You have no guarantees... First come, first served... A girl you see one night may not be there the next... You never know what you are going to get when you get home.

Do I hate the prospect of paying $150 for a girl who would have been $100 six months ago? Damn right! Do I hate the thought of $250 at CF, Plus an exit fee? Damn right! WIll I use the option of the lower cost Internet in the future? Damn right!

We don't have to look very far to see why the costs are going up... A friend who lives in Moscow went to dinner at NF last week with a visitor from the USA. After dinner, the visiting friend went up to the first girl that he was attracted to. She asked $450 for the "night", he jumped at the offer with the rationale that he was only in town for 3 or 4 nights. Like it or not, we cannot control this and that is why the prices are going up all over... Visitors who don't know the prices bid thm up... it is all supply and demand.

I am sure it has been covered in older Posts but I felt it was time to request new insights. The business lunch issue is an important one and I was wondering if there were any walk-in massage parlors in the wider Kremlin area. Anywhere a few blocks off the river I mean. The hope is for a AMP type experience. Maybe an hour massage at a reasonable price and the chance for some extras in the private room if you are a good negotiator. Any guidance (and directions) from the experts would be greatly appreciated.

Also as a follow-up to an earlier e-mail, does everyone agree that there are no more good printed daily/weekly papers which would advertise such services and private operators as well? Look forward to your replies.

Well, Moscow is changing very fast. As CAt said is something that ONE person can't control or fix.

Is gonna be always rich guys who can pay any price whit out problem, and girls learn this principle faster than a baby to take the booby.

I just hope that at least here in the WSG people make an effort to stop the inflation, I have some rich friends who are agreed whit me, we all win at the end.

I'm whit Doc and Cat, I do not like the new trend of girls in CF, I don't think I will pay 250 there, NO fkng way! There is always another option, definitely I wont pay any NF girl. I have had better looking ones even for "free" more work but more fun though.

Now talking about the tochkas. Is a lottery. For me was most of the time a good port. I was very lucky. I never went on weekends or after 11 PM. a lot of competition and many of the nice ones take the day off to spend her money earned during the week.

Also I like a lot the sweet looking ones. probably that's is way is easy for me to be happy. The performance of ALL of the tochka girls I had was GREAT. no complains from me. Sometimes the look wasn't more than 6 but the performance compensated more than enough.

One last consideration is that you can be lucky to find a newbie, many of them just try for a little wile, sometimes just for one night and then they quit, infinity of reasons.

BUT 150 dlls grrrrrrrrr I had very nice overnights for 100 Dlls.

If we don't take care very soon wont be any 50-70 dlls Internet girls either and the locals will kills us all, we may deserve it. They are not so happy I know, these girls used to charge 30 Dlls not to many years ago. To bad I wasn't older than 18 then LOL.

ogman... you can try [url]www.supersauna.ru[/url] It's not too far from Pushkin Square and is about a 10 minute walk from Red Sq. I've never been there, but sexplorer was going to check it out. I don't remember his results. I'm not even sure if sex is available, but I'd be surprised if it wasn't.

have been following all the chit/chat here and wanted to mention what happened to me in ny with a former moscow dyev - thought y'all may enjoy it.

i was in an upscale nyc strip club, just wasting time as i have a bet with another monger to see who can bed more strippers this year - it is a difficult task as many of you may know. the bet is for one us dollar, payable on 1 jan 06, as gentlemen we trust each other.

ok, i meet a typical russian dyev, 5'6, blonde, very nice body, pretty face - we start talking and i have a dance or two. she is a talented dancer (in all seriousness) and once she learns i have been to moscow, starts asking me what i think about russian women etc. we are chatting about russian experiences, what russian women like, and her low opinion of russian men. nothing unusual so far. as we talk i, of course, ask her if she ever goes out after work and what a heartbreaker she must be. she coyly smiles, says i am the heartbreaker and smiles. we sit there for a minute and she goes off to ask other guys for dances. again, nothing unusual, i didnt even feel like i was shot down, more like waved off.

so, the evening progresses, i have a dance with other women, and one woman starts to pay attention to me. she seems to be somewhat intrigued about the possibility of going out, but isnt sure. out of nowhere, the original dyev sits down , looks me in the eye, holds my face and says," you cant wait to cheat on me, can you?" i laugh, thinking she is being a pain. then she says, loudly,"you cant answer me? why are you looking at her? suddenly i'm not enough? you asked me out, what are doing? answer me." it hits me like a cold shower, this woman is insanely jealous and isnt playing. i explain she didnt answer and i thought she wasnt interested in me as she is a true russian beauty - i also mention i dont know where these words came from - perhaps facing an insane woman makes my brain function at higher speeds. she smiles and says this is her job, and she thought i was waiting for her like a gentleman should - as if she had an office job and i was waiting in a car. i am truly nervous now, as some of the otheer woman have heard the exchange and are looking. the dyev simply says, pick me up at 1am and walks away.

the other woman now comes over, says she didnt know i was "with" the russian dyev and i should have said something. i mumble that i just met the dyev, the woman looks at me in disbelief and says i'm a liar, she knows the russian girl, and she would only act that way to a boyfriend. i am in total disbelief, not knowing what to do.

i leave and go get a drink, in a more friendly bar. and start to think. stupidly, i test my luck and go back at 12.55 to wait for her - i feel like someone slowing down to see a car crash. the dyev shows up, kisses me, says shes glad i am here, she'll be a few minutes to change. i am absolutely lost. she comes back in a nice top, hip hugger pants, heels and says lets go to dinner. i take her to a nice late dinner, she doesnt over-order and knows which fork to use.

i am stunned. anyone have similar experiences?

She is a person, you are a person...

NY Monger,

This is way off topic, but, apart from your experiences with your Russki dyev, I'm surprised to hear that there are still strip clubs in Manhattan. I used to live in NYC and my recollection is that the clubs that didn't get shut down for the Democratic convention in 1992, were subsequently run out of business by Rudy and the Disney mob. Are they making a comeback?

To the rest of the Moscow mongers, I'm sort of hoping that the summertime will bring a fresh crop of dyevs into Moscow. What with institutes and universities closing up for summer vacation, they should all be flocking there to earn a little spending money. Hopefully, the increased competition should bring prices down a little. Is that a valid assumption to make?

Stravinsky

Gettin' misty here!

Dealdo's comments were right on the mark. After years of temporary experience I can tell you the Tverskaya central tochka has definitely gone through the roof as for as $$$ value. Excuse me, I meant $$$ cost. However, like every city in the US (Thank god for Baltimore and its mayor), cops avoiding dangerous crimes push the working girls to the edge and that becomes the center for the activity we are discussing.

But hey, we are driven by more than our privates thank goodness and we can commute for a good f**k. Well, come on Moskvichi, lets here where we find the good deal tochkas out by the airport, and I can't believe I am saying it, and beyond. Krasnogorsk? Bryansk? anyone.

My problem remains livin out of a hotel. Mileage is a problem but not as big as when you get there. What's the scoop. What does a babushka's place run nearby a tochka? Just gotta know.

CA Traveller, Dealdo, Stravinsky, we'll have to do serious research one day and put our corner of the real world back on track. Off the pedestal but my posts are gonna be gold soon. WIth that challenge, thanks for the guidance on supersauna CAT,I'll report before the end of the month if the job does not move me again.

This topic of rising prices keeps coming up, and how we should fight back, always followed by a flurry of hear-hear. But let's get serious. We're in no position to affect the market in any way at all. Did I seriously read Dealdo say we should "stop the inflation"? Huh?

Prices change, and lots of things today cost more than what they used to 1, 2, 5, 10, 20 years ago. Bitching about prices is the most futile task in the world. The only thing you can change here is your own personal finances. When you make what you make, you can afford what you can afford. That's all there is to it. Of course it'd be lovely if I could buy a brand new convertible at 1954 prices, and a seaside mansion at 1897 prices. But that ain't going to happen, and neither is getting laid in Moscow today at last year's prices.

The prices are what they are. This form helps us know exactly what's expensive, what's cheap, what's bad, what's good, and where to look for the Russian roulette bargain bin sex. Armed with that knowledge we can adapt to the situation and find the balance between our pocketbook and our libido. That's all there is to it.



On the topic of leaving Moscow for other markets. I've been to a few small towns around Russia in the past couple of years - Petrozavodsk, Kaliningrad, Tula, Novgorod, Orel, Kursk. I haven't paid for any sex there, for two reasons. Firstly, supply is very scarce, and the quality is horrific. You can probably find better looking pros in a Detroit ghetto. On the nights when I tried to look for a pro it'd take forever to get to one, and then one look at her would cause me nightmares for weeks.

Secondly, the freebie scene is flourishing. It's easy enough in Moscow, but out there in the country, forget it. If you can survive the incredible shittyness of those little towns, you can have so much freebie sex you'll never even think of hiring a pro. I personally hated those trips though because accomodations suck, food sucks, services suck, and the towns themselves are run down and filthy and pathetically boring. You can't even take your date to a nice restaurant because there aren't any, and there are so few night spots that after a couple of nights you begin to run into mostly familiar faces.

Yep 1o9 may be right; prices will go higher everyday.. But unluckily my self can't afford paying 1500+ Dlls everyday (is what it would cost me 3 girls from NF) I know I can't stop the inflation, and I can't stoop my sexual appettite. I just ask for an effort to stop it (the inflation right?).

But anyways, there is always an alternative,, I may not be a millionaire but I consider my self a very lucky guy, I can have the same quality of girls for some romance.. Is just needed to be a little creative and adventurer, I have to accept it, THAT challenge it is real fun for me.

Everybody is different and have different ways to be "happy".

I can't help it,, for me being happy (partially of course) is helping people and making good friends and not having the heavy worries and pressure of accumulation of gold. This way I have fucked even super models (not the best fucks of my life by the way), being a "nobody"

Well, life is strange and has no meaning sometimes..

Thank God (oops God has to little to do on this I guess).

I will wait eagerly the reviews from Ogman about the Super-Saunas.. is my eternal question.. seams to be a taboo here,, why nobody gives a disclosed information about it. I have asked many times.

I will wait also for all my new friends that are in Moscow now to give us some fresh updating also about that captivating city.

Safe happy hunting to all the WSG community.

DeALdo

I agree totally with 109 that it is pointless to ***** about prices... unfortunately it is a fact of life not only in Moscow but all over the world. At least those countries where people actively monger. Go to the Thailand thread and you'll similar discussions.

At least you still have the option of the internet in Moscow and the price inflation has yet to take over here. I saw girls on omen.ru for anywhere from $35-$70 per hour and from $100 up for all nighters.

Of course, it is true you can get it for less outside of Moscow.

visited a tochka last night for the first time in months. only went to one because i had a problem with a surly taxi driver. serves me right for getting a car with a taxi sign instead of a normal car.

it was a friday night after a quick stop at cf, then a quick peek into safari to confirm a date for saturday or sunday, so made it out on the street at about 0030.

only about 20 to choose from, but picked one and she wound up with a cutie who was very into it. actually a very enjoyable evening.

here's a couple of shots just for guido888...

Ca_T:

Great to see that you are back on the front.

Your girl looks like a keeper... just out of curiousity, do you remember what she cost? $100-$150-$200?

I imagine that on a Friday she was 150 or 150+...

she was 4,500 rubles... more than in the past but she was worth it. Plus, it restored my faith in the tochkas after so much bad press from others.

Slowly but surely, Moscow is beginning to price itself out of the market for the average and not so average monger. Years ago one could’ve categorized it as a mongering destination for the sole sake of the hobby. Today, I’m not sure this is true.

Moscow and Pete have become destinations for the Russia-bound businessman and only die hard Russia enthusiasts who command some form of the Russian language. If one considers the cost and intricacies which entail securing a visa, an apartment, a registration and an intercontinental flight, this in itself is a feat already. But you’ve still more, say you like freebies and you’re good at shagging them, you’ve to contend with the high cost of getting into clubs and buying yourself and your new shag overpriced drinks and maybe gifts.

Enter the Militia and their hard on for hobbyists, you’ve to allow for greasing them too at some point in time. So CT is absolutely on the money, the only game which is favorable to westerners now days is the internet dievs’ game, and this is especially true for US-based mongers.

But the Net game requires skills and patience too, you’ve to dial and dial, speak and speak Ruski, hire and hire cabbies or give and give directions to your pad. Moreover, once at the pad, your diev stands a good chance of not being the one you jerked off to and soiled your screen while you’re trying to secure a séance.

I personally found it much more economical and less trouble to visit countries where there is heavy CIS babes presence and not the hassles and costs involved with bangin’ them in Moscow, at the present time. And things may change sooner rather than later. But for now, If one likes Ukrainians, Ruskayas and Slavs in general, a lot of them babes make the rounds around the world en masse, you’ve to catch’ em at destinations which are easier on your pocket, ulcer and stamina.

El Suave:

Very well said… I remember somebody touched on this subject about 2 years back… I think it was in the St.Pete section and if memory serves it was mohctep.

I spend an average amount of money in Moscow per day… average being about $250-300 per day for accommodation, food, drinks, taxis. This is actually fairly low compared to what other business travelers spend. I know other guys spend more... much more. Add some entry level take home p4p action ($150)and I am at $400-450.

Still, most non-Russia based mongers cannot or don’t choose to access the more affordable options… or simply don’t know about them.

So as an average monger you stick to mid-range girl-friendly hotels ($250) + high-end p4p action ($300+) + a strip club or two ($150) + restaurant, taxi and drinks ($150) and you are easily at or above $850/day. On business, all the costs are paid by the company except for the $300 girl… so yeah, in the end she is a bargain for the businessman… :) The average tourist monger will have a hard time swallowing this bill on a daily basis however.

Of course you can do it cheaper… learn to take the metro with limited taxis ($10/day), rent an apartment ($130), eat at home ($10), pre-drink before clubbing and then stick to one club ($20) and take home the cheapest half-way decent CF or tochka girl you can find ($100)… about $270 a day. You can’t go much cheaper than that in Moscow. But then you have to ask yourself, did I travel half-way around the world to live like this? $270/day goes a lot farther in Bangkok or BA than it does in Moscow.

Moscow a genuine monger destination? Still is… but you should bring lots of cash. Having a sex-hungry hot Russian girl in your bed for 5-6 hours is a luxury most men will never experience.

Most of us agree that Moscow is not going to get cheaper, it will just keep getting more expensive. Maybe inflation will slow, but I don’t anticipate paying less than I do now for anything in the future. Maybe the exchange rate will improve in relation to the dollar, but that is all.

Solution to this dilemma? Earn more money and adjust to paying market prices.

The freebie market is still great in Moscow, I don’t think that will change. I personally don’t feel that the freebie market is expensive in Moscow, you’d pay the same club/restaurant prices that you do in Moscow in any major city. If you consider that almost all girls put out within 2-3 dates max, Moscow still remains an excellent freebie market… if you have the time to invest and some dating skills. Again, this isn’t a real option for many mongers.

Which other destinations with CIS girls do you recommend as alternatives?

Germany’s FKKs, Dubai/UAE, Turkey, Cyprus?

Are they really that much cheaper?

Let’s face it, we have an expensive hobby…

EE girls spread all around the world. But still Moscow has a strange magic to keep you coming. I have been to Moscow several times, I spent almost 15 days during the X-mas and New Year. Once a month I arrange a weekend tour to Moscow(38 hours long).

I work in Istanbul, city full of EE girls(Russian, Ukranian, Moldavian, Romanian, Belarus,etc.) Prices are fixed in $50 for two hours, $150-$200 for all nighters.

Time to time you need pay $250 for model types. Most of the girls are from small towns. In couple of weeks later there will be thousands of Russian dyevs in western and southern parts of Turkey for summer holiday(Antalya,Bodrum and Side are the most favorite places).

In Istanbul, I prefer home delivery and cost me only $150 plus taxi. There are lots of girls who can easy work at NF but the life is very expensive in Moscow. 8-9/10 girl can easy make $5000-$6000 a month in Istanbul, I doubt that in Moscow.

Even though I love to monger in Moscow. Walking on Tverskaya, hanging out at Shandra,Rasputin,Rhino,CF and beloved NF. I tried internet girls from zna.ru and imtincity.ru Lucky, girls were accurate with there posted pics. I prefered the English speaking dispacther when we saw all the girls she had, she arranged other girls from the net. No need to talk about the club girls, everybody know the facts. Still like to hang out at CF and NF.

It is a fact that Moscow is an expensive city, I like to go out 3-4 nights a week, I don't know what I do if I work in Moscow. Maybe freebies are the real option when you live there.

This hobby is expensive but we(I) love it.:)

I really don’t wanna be misunderstood, I love Moscow with a passion, the sheer number, variety and quality of the fine babes in this city are comparable to no other city on Earth. Add to the latter a city with soul, history, grandeur and charm, one would say how can you lose.

The fact is, and like the Doc said, you can lose a lot and won’t do too good at the bank when you go back home. It’s just at this point in time, Moscow is a bit cost prohibitive.

You just can’t decide on a whim to take a flight and head to Moscow this weekend, quite frankly, you need up to several months of itinerary preparation. Yet many of us keep doin’ it because this city will always have mystique.

What other cities host CIS dyevs and stand recommended? If one allows that preference is always subjective and what’s amiable and doable for some is quite dislikable and out of range for others, Turkish Cyprus, Israel and Dubai are all much more affordable destinations on all fronts.

Germany? Forget it. You can have the hottest blooded Latina garrota go to Germany, and within minutes, the jerries will turn her into a robot of the worst kind, there’s no passion and GFEs to be had in Germany.

I personally had a great time in Turkish Cyprus in cities like Gerne and Lefkosia. Not only has this side of the Island gone Atlantic City, but it attracted a large contingent of CIS hookers to it.

If you like casino gambling like me, you can have Black Jack, Roulette, Poker, CIS pussy, free drinks, cheap hotels and a super favorable exchange rate to boot. And should you be a westerner, everyone will treat you like a king and suck your dick.

So you wanna check out the babes with their clothes off before you buy? You head to your resort’s pool throughout the day and survey the topless tits, the asses with dental floss up their cracks and the super tanned long legs. You can either do an appetizer bang ST style before night falls, or you make a mental note of the leggy looker you decided to massacre later on in that night. Cost is $150 for an all nighter, and less than a $100 for an afternoon ST.

Where the real value comes, however, is in accommodation, food, alcohol consumption, transportation, exchange rates and an OK Corral island where anything goes. No militia, no visa or registration, no hotel security hassles and no frozen nuts in sub zero temperatures within the dead of winter.

Of course all the savings above won’t matter if you like gambling more than pussy, you’ve to remember why you came here.

Don’t confuse Turkish Cyprus with Greek Cyprus now, Greek Cyprus is one of shittiest mongering islands on earth, it has nothing to offer like its enemy to the north can.

I know the above may not belong here, but the Doc did ask. :)

Here’s a CIS sample of what’s on tap in alternate destinations. It doesn’t have to be expensive.

As some may remember, two Danes went to Moscow for a week in March, having 6 nights for fun.

No allowances, no subsidies or the like. Just money from our own pockets. I spent for a program, which I do not consider discount, 330 $ pr. night all inclusive, i.e. except the airticket. Shared appartment, visa, registration, restaurants, little taxi, food, girls and sightseeing.

The first night in CF was the most expensive. We learned and turned to the prepared Internet outprints and had a wonderful time the rest of the days.

No, we did not go out drinking and dancing from disco to disco, club to club, this we can do at home. We came to find nice girls and have sex, and staying in the appartment we had our own parties in the apartment with cheep but lovely champagne.

The trip was really worth the money, which I guess you will agree upon from reading our report.

So it is possible to do a budget stay and have an experience above value for money.

But I will admit, that had we followed the line from the first evening, we would have run short of money well before departure.

The keywords are planning and some/a good knowledge of the local tongue, *S* so that you can make bookings over the phone. You will avoid the dumb expenditures to militsia, doormen, hotels, entrence fees to discos, taxis and the like.

Just a comment, which can bring hope to new travellers.

Flowerpower

Moscow is an expensive city, but if you want to have fun you have to pay for it.

My budget for 38 hours long Moscow tour is almost $1000. I know some guys spend this much a month.

Anyway, $280 for visa and round trip ticket(not included to $1000).

Irregular taxi from SHII to Kolemanskaya(where my blood brother lives) $35 or $40.

Banya/sauna 2 hours long $150-$200(sex-food and drinks included).

A nice dinner at NF or a place equalivent. ($50 per person)

Two strip clubs(450-1000Rb cover, 250Rb drink-only jack, maybe a private dance $100, lap dance 100 Rb)

CF (no cover and first drinks on the house-thank to my brother, girls $150-200)

NF(750Rb cover, 250 Rb-jack, $250-300 girl) OR

After the dinner, just strip clubs for 2-3 hours than call internet girls($200-250)

Next morning brunch at Vienna Cafe $25.

Banya/sauna another $100. Than fly back to home.

Irregular taxi plus tips and couple of rubles you spend around and total will be something around $1000.

Maybe I am too dumb to spend this much money, but I enjoyed it. All the rush and all those beautiful women at NF. It worths every cent.

I recently heard that there are lots of new faces at CF since last friday.

PS: If you want lesbo show, you have to double the price. As long as it's not your first time with the same girls it is really difficult to get discount.

Hello everyone,

They finally upgraded my membership to regular member status so now I can post. I have lived in Moscow, both studying and working, for a while. I know this town fairly well and I speak Russian.

PM me and I will be happy to answer any questions.

Peasant

Since the essence of this board is its public nature, I won’t pm you Peasant, but I’ll ask in public. Is Latin dance night at Papa John’s still Rockin’? That’s where I used to pounce on and pork Ruskayas who had a soft spot for everything Latino. :)

There are reports this morning of a blackout in Moscow.

Can any of the local guys tell us what's happening? Assuming you have access to a PC...

Strav,

Apparently there was an accident in the southern part of town at some plant... and the southern half of the city has no power. The metro and public transportation are shut down for most of the city.

Actually, I wish I was there... there are ways to pass the time in times of crisis...

Doc... right you are! I got home last night with a sweet young thing that I picked up at CF at 0330... 100 Euros and no security! More to follow, but I am in an Internet Cafe and the seconds are ticking away.

I lost my internet all day... very frustrating. For most of the day, I couldn't even get a call to go out.

Of course, experienced RU mongers know that in Russia... It is always something!

I have been going to Russia for years on sex tours and just to hang with some friends of mine. But as I grew older (late 30s) I am not looking forward anymore to a long flight and many hassles on the ground. Not to mention this hobby became very expensive in Moscow and some other big cities.
Well, I decided to share my experience regarding getting a girl to go to vacation spot with me instead of me flying to her.
Pluses are obvious. I HATE flying 11+ hours to mother Russia or Ukraine. So I decided to go crazy and find really attractive chick on the web. Then I will take a risk of seducing her to go to “exotic” Dominican Rep. with me for 7-10 days of pure bliss)) I want to mention that Russians or Ukraninas don't need visas to D.R., so....no hassle there:)
First I have to say that traveling abroad with foreigners or local men for just one week in exchange for sex is a norm in Russia. It is a booming tourist opportunity for local devs. Most of their internet profiles would answer question: “Your favorite way to spend a vacation?” with “Ocean/Sand and Palm trees”. Not to mention that most of their profile pics are made in one of those vacation spots where they went with their travel boyfriend.
They actually might have real boyfriend sitting at home unable to provide such a trip.
So to make a long story short, I found a couple(5) of candidates while on my lunch break at work.(well that is not true but anyways…). I started my Dominican contest with a swimsuit competition right away. Who cares about their talents or thoughts about world peace… One of them was a definite winner. She received a first prize and a phone call from USA. She happens to be a cute s l u t from Ukraine. I partial to Ukrainian women they remind me a lot of Latin Amer. girls. I love them all. But anyway as oppose to Amer. Women these girls don’t have any suspicions about a guy who they never met before in their life and who is asking them to come half a world over to have sex wit him in exchange for Palm trees and some Sand. They eager to meet new men and they really love sex ,but I know, I know I am preaching to the quire. So I establish connections in her home town with a couple of travel agents book her ticket using my CC (that way she cannot cash it if she decides to) and book the rest of the trip in US from reputable travel agent. All in all I am out of $2600 for all inclusive resort for 7 days. All it takes from me is 4 hour flight and I am there with appreciative Ukrainian dev who is eager to continue the second part of Swimsuit competition now in real life. Of course my beauty pageant encourages participants to fraternize with a judge.
Stay tuned for the rest of the show.

Very interesting and creative approach to mongering and resource management mohctep.

However, the idea of spending 10 days with one, a single, and only one babe flies in the face of what the hobby is all about. The most intriguing and joyful aspect of our dearly beloved hobby is the promise of daily variety when we’re mongering. There’s nothing like pickin’ and chossin’ a different babe night in and night out

Now if you’re supplementing your Slavic rental with some of them fine Dominicanas regularly, that’s what might be called a truly blissful trip. ;)

Your idea of bring a bring a girl from there to DR is interesting but not unsual as a high end resort ( called the Viking) has been bringing Russian girls over there for a while now. I'm interested to hear your story turns out.

Ha! A Russian buddy of mine does the same thing, kind of. He's originally from Siberia, but he's been here for a while. He flies back there about once a year and just goes on a dating spree. He'll meet a bunch of candidates, and then invite them all back to Dominican Republic for some sex on neutral ground.

The main difference between you and him is that he takes multiple women per trip. He tries to actively set up threesomes with the girls he meets, and whether it happens or not he just gets them there for a couple of days each. So, day 1 and 2 he'll have Masha, day 3 and 4 it'll be Dasha, and days 5 and 6 he'll have Sasha and Natasha. I think that's the correct approach, and I'd certainly recommend the same to you.

What you're doing right now is a recipe for disaster. You're basically setting yourself up to be chained to a stranger from the Internet for 10 days. What if she doesn't look exactly like the picture? What if she's a *****? What if she's simply annoying or boring or a ****, or a million other things you simply can't know about her until you spend some time with her? You can't just jump into it headfirst and hope for the best. If you want to spend 10 days in the Caribbean with a girl, you have to know her pretty well. Otherwise you might be getting the world's worst vacation.

Mohctep,

It just occurred to me you can use your Ukrainian babe as bait to have triple the fun a la ménage a trois or quarto. We all know chicks become much more interested in men accompanied by attractive females, and therein are the potentials. Nor will freebies be out of the question.

If your trip companion is a tall, attractive blond, she will generate interest and twist necks in the Dominican, you can use this to your advantage and arrange group sex séances with them fine local Dominicanas. Limitations? I see only two, cost and the extent of your babes’ liberalism and receptiveness.

Well, Mohctep’s isn't really a Moscow theme...

But, yep. Used to do the same thing in Prague, Bulgaria, Turkey and Cyprus, before the visa regimes started getting more difficult. Internet contacts with Ukrainian, Belarus and Russian girls, and meet them on neutral sunshine territory. Sun, sea, sand and sex. That's the idea, well except Prague. If they were willing to share a room with you, you were pretty sure you were onto a good thing.

Logistics always worked out fine, and I met some absolute stunners and 95% of the time had a great holiday. (Now I tend to go out to Russia to chase them in the wild).

BUT: it doesn't always work out like that. Four years ago I booked a hotel for two consecutive weeks in Antalya, Turkey to meet two, one after the other for a week of fun with each. Both Svetas, both Ukrainians, both from Odessa, both 27, both slim blondes, both long, long legs, both smooth, smooth bronzed skin, both stunning faces, both well-educated, both shared the room and bed with me…. Both had flights delayed by hours, missed both at the airport, both disliked the hotel, both disliked the pool, both disliked the food, both disliked the city, both had their periods, both didn’t want sex the first time of meeting….. And by the end of 14 days, both my balls were hanging between both my knees. Actually not quite true, because I did get the second one round in the last 24 hours, but you kinda get the message that I was not overly enamoured of this experience.

Free sex with Ukrainians.

Flying tomorrow morning meeting my babe in the airport. Well, I keep my fingers crossed :) Say your prayers for me boys.:)

As for different suggestions, thanks guys. But here are my thoughts on the subjects:
1. Yes, my babe is total bi-sexual, but attractive Dominicans...for threesomes? Hm hm, they only attractive when they are 15 years old then they all take an ugly pill.:) sorry.
2. Yes the premise of mongering is to do new girl every night or day. Day becomes more and more my preference. But, since I have been "practicing" for many years I discovered a few patterns (warning Specific to former USSR only). Most beautiful pros are all gone abroad! It is not 1998 anymore...(alluding to crush of RUS stock market)...Second, big city girls are more and more spoiled. To find a true trophies are more and more difficult. Americanization is going in that part of the world full force. i see more and more Jeans/belly shirt combos as oppose to short skirts and heels that I prefer.
Hey anybody noticed that RUS babes become more overweight just like their US counterparts? Is it just me or the average RUS chick looks heavier about 15-20 pounds? All those western "delicious" candies + Russians, who btw have no self-control in anything.....awwww. Mother Russia going fat!!!!!
3. If a girl comes on vacation with a guy and refuses to have sex or comes up with funny “I have my period” stories, then that guy definitely deserves it. Sorry.

El Suave,

I am boycotting Papa John’s as when I went there with my girlfriend and tried to pay for the cover with 1000 roubles, they were too lazy to change the money and give me back 600 roubles. The doorman should be flogged for that.

My girl did not buy my explanation and thought I got denied by “feis kontrl” at probably the least pafosny club in Moscow. Embarrassing on my part. It’s like getting snubbed at a Stardog kiosk.

They have Latin Dancing at the Voodoo Lounge on Saturdays, I think.

Hi,

I just back after som days in Moscow. I contacted Kristina ([url]www.escort-elitegirls.ru[/url]) before I left - and had 3 girls during my visit.

As told by this forum the pictures on the net are fake, but I think the web-pictures describe the girl that will arrive. I mean a blonde with big tits on the web - give you a blonde with big tits but another face.

Kristina speak very good english, and most of the girls medium english. Price is $100 for 1 hour, $150 for 2 hours and I paid $300 for 6 hours with Natalya.

Paid Katya 100EUR for 1 hour include anal.

All girls showed up at the hotel at the expected time and they were all very nice experiences.

Also had one girl (don't remember name) from the lobby of Hotel Ukraine. Blond, about 30 years. Good english and nice experience.

Why not Karma Bar, especially on Thursdays? Starts at 21:00, closes at midnight. But last time I've been there (two weeks ago), they continued playing Latin music and dancing in the courtyard way after midnight, while there was already house music downstairs.

[QUOTE=El Suave]Since the essence of this board is its public nature, I won’t pm you Peasant, but I’ll ask in public. Is Latin dance night at Papa John’s still Rockin’? That’s where I used to pounce on and pork Ruskayas who had a soft spot for everything Latino. :)[/QUOTE]

I've stayed at the Orlyonok a number of times and there's no problem with bringing girls in. You have to "tip" the guard, though, unless you're bringing up one of the house girls who hang around the slot machines.

[QUOTE=Scoubidou]HI Mongers,

I will stay of week at hotel ORLYONOK located Kosygina Street.

Could anybody tell me if this is a girl-friendly hotel?

Is there any "good" spot around?

Thanks[/QUOTE]

Much has been reported about the increased pricing at CF in the recent months. Some people have reported girls asking for $250 and more with the security charge on top of that.

This week, a friend of mine snagged an 18 y.o. for $150. Then, as I reported briefly a few nights ago I hooked up with a very sweet girl, 22 y.o., for 100 Euros. Don't know about my friend, but I was able to beat the security charge as well.

On Wednesday night, I had a girl ready to come home with me for $150 but it was late and I decided to just score her number. The next day, she came over to my apt and when she left several hours later, I gave her $150 and she tried to give me back $50... Nice! I didn't take it, but I did tell her the next time it would only be $100 which she readily accepted.

Last night, I did have one girl ask for $200 and she would not drop the price, but several others asked for $200 but went to $150 almost immediately and all were willing to take steps to beat the security charge.

So, it appears to this observer that the pricing has stablized at $150. Perhaps the $250+ was an effort by the girls to climb into the NF category and maybe that they have realized that the price wouldn't stick.

Unfortunately, there are still people who will take a girl at almost any price. I heard of a visitor at NF who jumped at a $450 price with no hesitation... crazy!

The telephone number acquistion and the call in the next day also seems to be an interesting approach that could yield good results and offer an immediate option to beating the security charge.

CAT,

You reported paying 100 Euro at CF. Is it necessary to carry Euros as well as Dollars nowadays?

Also, what's your strategy for beating the security fees at CF?

Stravinsky

Hello mongers,

I'll be in Moscow for 3 nights in June to meet a Russian girl that I've met over the internet.

I will be staying in the Izmailovo Gamma-Delta Hotel Moscow where they say:
"It is important to note that all guests must hold non Russian, CIS & Baltic States Passports to qualify for the above rates. We do not take responsibility for non compliance of the above rule and you may be charged additional costs as a result of non compliance of this rule."

My questions:

1- How difficult it is to bypass this rule? (Of course I want to girl to stay the 3 nights in the room with me.)
2- How would you rate this hotel?

Thanks a lot,
Yao

Watch out for Viagra folks, the FDA is saying a monger who’s taking it can go blind not only briefly during an orgasm, but in some cases permanently.

Wolf, you’re right, Karma was very fertile grounds a year or so ago, However, many reports state it lost its mojo and no longer attracts the fine babes it used to.

Better to have a look [url]www.call-girls.ru[/url] and if you want to spend some hours with high class escort models [url]www.sweet-pussycat.ru[/url]

No it is not necessary to carry Euros. You just pay them more USD! $125 or a Ben and a few hundred rubles.

I usually meet the girls someplace off site... across the street... in front of the market about 50 meters down the street/across from the Atrium mall. I find that the newbies don't even know about the security charge. In which case, I am careful not to enlighten them.

Hello guys,

I have been to Moscow couple of times and had great time. I have travelled to over 30 countries, however I find Moscow the best place for mongering, even it's expensive for a EE country. I always prepared my trips very well based on information found in this site (especially CaT and Doc's reports were very informative and helpful). I had great success at both CF, NF and in with amateurs.

I found a new way to meet girls from Russia in the last couple of weeks. I was at a hotel in Munich and browsing websites. I found a video chat site and most of the girls who work there are from Russia, many from SP and Moscow. I was able to get the phone numbers and mail from 10 dyevs from SP and 6 from Moscow. Most of the girls wanted to meet me after they asked about my age (32). Some seem to be pros whos asked for 200-300$ for night.

This is quite new for me and want feedback from other guys. Do any one of you have experience with video chat girls? I'm not posting the adresse since this may cause a lot of inqueries to the girls and get them pissed off.

J

Well just came back from a quick 10 day trip to Moscow. I don’t have the time to write a detailed report, but I will share some thoughts and observations.

First, this trip I decided to focus on the freebie scene again. Recently a lot of talk on this board has revolved around the high price of the pro scene, but I believe with a little work, one can find very willing freebies who are pretty and will provide a really good GFE.

For example, first night I tried out a new place called Havana Viejo or Old Havana. It was a nice restaurant bar with live Latin music. Dance floor was small, but sufficient. There I met a very cute blond in her late 20’s which is usually a little bit old for me, but she had great breasts, so I went for it. But after a couple of hours kissing and flirting, I could tell that she was not coming home with me that night, so got her number and cut my loses. I then moved on to a red head who was 19 and together with her brunette friend. Both were a little drunk and spoke a little Spanish, thus it was easy to communicate.

However instead of trying to take both home with me, I decided to spread the wealth and introduce the brunette to my Peruvian friend who was there with me. By doing so, I was able to convince the red head to leave her friend and come back home with me. What followed was night of non-stop sex, including BBJ,, CIM and anal. The only problem was that the next afternoon she wanted to stay. I gave her some excuse that I need to meet some friends, but she offered to give me sex all afternoon and evening! How could I say no to free nonstop sex? At around 11pm I finally got tired and I kicked her out. However it was not easy, and she through a fit!

The next few days, I spend with a girl that I had met in my previous trip. She was a tall blond with a normal face, but a 9 body. Sex was great, but at one point she offered a massage, and I thought “great”, however she then got on back and started pinching me! It was so painful.

After a few days with her, I had to kick her out too, because a longtime girlfriend of mine was coming to visit me. She is a very petite red head with beautiful blue eyes. She is the only girl that I see regularly. We decided to go to Hippoputam on Thursday, because it was Latin night.

That night I finally did something that I had never done, which was to have sex in the bathroom of a Moscow dance club! I had read so many reports of this being a common occurrence that I was feeling left out! That night around 4am, she excused herself to go to the bathroom, as she was fixing up her makeup in the wash area, I noticed that she was only girl in the area. I quickly seized the opportunity, and walked inside, grabbed her took her into one of the woman’s stalls. The sex was really intense, but I could tell that other girls had entered the room. I tried to stay quiet, but in the end I could not help myself and gave off a yell as I climaxed. It was a little embarrassing, but hey it’s Moscow!

I guess the other girls in the room got scared off, because after she left the stall to see of the coast was clear, everyone had left!

My last weekend in Moscow, I spent with another tall blond that I had met previously at Papa Johns. I had originally only planned to spend the day with her, but said she wanted to spend the night. I told her that if she did, we would just have sex all night, and she agreed! How could I say no? The sex was great but she had this habit of biting me hard as she was close to climaxing! Again another painful experience!

My last night in Moscow, I had made plans to finally meet up with the infamous Dr Skank and CA Traveler. Both guys were really class acts. CAT decided to head off early, while Skank and I decided to check out Karma Bar. However, given that it was a Sunday, and that it was raining heavily that night, the scene was limited. Skank had to catch an early flight the following morning so he headed home. I soon left too, but since it was my last night, I wanted to end it with a bang! Thus I decided to get a tochka girl. I chose this really cute, petite, 21 year old, with long dark hair in a formal white suit. I paid the lady 4K, and took the girl to my apartment. The sex was only OK, but her body was so cute and delicate, that definitely enjoyed myself.

Jes077,

Thanks for the tip. I remember all your posts and especially that one hot chick you posted from Nightflight from your last trip. What was the cost of the video chat--I am interested in the costs spent to reach a girl. I used loveme.com, free, but was disappointed n the quality. Recieved a lot of responses from Ukraine.

This site does no quote rates and links to more ads. Is this a scam?

[QUOTE=Moscow Sex]Better to have a look [url]www.call-girls.ru[/url] and if you want to spend some hours with high class escort models [url]www.sweet-pussycat.ru[/url][/QUOTE]

Dear Yao,
I’ve been my self staying a lot of times at Izmailovo Gamma-Delta.

So first of all let’s say on hotel graduation. It depends on the room type you chose, as every “soviet” style hotel there are different room types, from very basic to suites: if you chose the 1st class there will be no problem. You can look at the different room and prices on [url]www.izmailovo.ru[/url] (in English as well).

In the lobby of all the Izmailovo Group you can find everything you need from casino to restaurant (I recommend the Georgian one in the Gamma elevator lobby, good and cheap, but only Russian), from shoemaker to tailor or pharmacy (selling Viagra and Cialis, no prescription needed) to fast internet services.

As far as I know, on ground there are a lot of Russian tourist in Moscow there are no problem with them. Izmailovo complex is mainly made for Russians, so why getting problems with buying rooms? It must be some legend… from old times. Look at the internet site.

In any case if you have problem with your girl friend you can register her (with her documents) at the elevator guard (only one but they will show you where) from the morning up to 11 PM as a guest. So she can get to your room legally. After that time, perhaps 11.20 PM, you will hears a soft knock on the door, it’s the bellman asking for a bribe: the standard rate is 1000 RUR. Sometimes I paid 2000 RUR on ground I was with two girls (see the pictures in picture section, made in just there, with Diana and Julia).

In any case I feel there will be no problem in registering normally a double room with two guests with a reservation for two B&B. But otherwise, in case of problem you can go this way, it will be 120 USD for three days… and 6 or 7 USD for breakfast…


IT

I have given up on the $$$-girls, prices are rising, I will not accept it. It's time for me to act. I created an account in love.mail.ru and started sending messages to nice looking girls. I've been doing this once a day for a week now, and now I have agreed FIVE dates for next week. And they are all freebies!

I was amazed how many girls there are on that site, just looking for company. It helps if you can speak Russian, the percentage of replies will grow a lot. And if you live in Russia, it's even bigger.

Anyone wanting to grab a beer with me next week, PM me.

How's life California Traveller? Did you ever succeed in the exploring of rural Russia?

FP:

Yeah, love.mail.ru is an effective site... and Russian will help you, but it isnt absolutely necessary... even though you'll get much more feedback if they feel that you are culturally approachable and not just some lurking freak in Seattle, New Delhi, Vicenze or Newcastle. I experimented using both languages and found that many simply wouldnt respond to an English text... but most responded to a Russian one. Two things that will improve your responses are a good profile of yourself with attractive pictures and displaying a good knowledge of Moscow... I always mentioned clubs or cultural events etc. and got into conversations. If you can get a conversation going you've won half the battle.

I used to arrange several dates through websites before my journeys too... but found that in the end that it was a pain in the ass running around trying to meet them all... it both wore me out and bored me. Going to clubs is just as effective and often more fun. I think a combination of pre-arranged dates and spontaneous club fun is the best mix.

One thing that is extremely effective for me is going to a club, picking the hottest approachable girl (i.e. without boyfriend) I can find, getting her number and if it isnt going extremely well, then telling her you are leaving... and then go to a different club to continue hunting for a girl who will go home on the first date. It gives you some sort of legitimacy with the first girl and with the number of a hottie already inhand my confidence reaches nearly ridiculous levels and I am more effective. I send girl "A" an SMS that night and set up a date for the next day. If she agreed on the date it almost always panned out into sex within 2-3 short dates. Lunch or coffee dates are as effective as dinner dates to get to know a girl and much less expensive.

One word of warning on love.mail.ru... once Shos and I were surfing the net together and decided to compare our love.mail.ru contacts. We each had aboout 20 active contacts... and 5 of the contacts were communicating with both of us! There are some girls who are seemingly constantly online... probably at work and at home... and they were a waste of time. All talk, no play. They often spoke the best English as well... seemingly having a lot of foreign contacts or just interested in practicing their English. The shyer type tended to put out much more quickly.

I've since stopped using the site... preferring the traditional hunting methods... for now. I'm fickle. I'll be back.

Good luck man, and enjoy the game! Sorry I can't join you next week...

fp... no I haven't made the plunge yet, but I am getting close. I figure July might be a good time before I head to Odessa. I'm on my way on a scouting mission to Antalya to explore the options available at the Turkish coast.

I'll only be here for a couple of days late next week before I make a quick trip back to CA. Even then I will have a buddy in town from NYC and I may not have much free time. Sorry.

If you happen to be traveling to Moscow in the next month or so, here is a short update for you...

First of all, white nights are in full swing now. When I left a club at 0230 last night, the sky was beginning to lighten or was it beginning to darken? Basically from this point on, barring clouds, you can plan to have light in the sky for the entire night for the next 5 or 6 weeks. So, make sure your apartment has something available to darken the windows or you may be up at 0500 as the sun pierces your eyelids with what feels like an ice pick.

Yes, it is June, but other than a few days of 35C/87F weather it has been very cool so you may want to include a jacket for the evening because it can be a little crisp. Girls are still in summer outfits with the short skirts but it will get better as it warms up more.

Last night was the first Friday night in the past month that CF has seemed to be it's old self with a good mix of regular girls and WG at midnight. Place was packed and there were many new faces among the pros.

Safari was packed as always on a Friday night and it seems that there are more and more really cute girls dedicated to sex instead of dancing. There must have been 60-70 girls there last night. The nice thing about SL is that if you don't like a girl you can say no to a lap dance and not be pressured to do anything except watch if you want.

hah, i was at cf last night too and the place was the busiest i've ever seen. i had to wait 15 minutes to get in. some pros also waiting in line were actively looking for clients so i might have even probably gone home before even getting in, but i didn't see anyone particularly attractive.

inside, well, for me it was just the case of bad luck. there were tons of good options. unfortunately there were some bad ones too. as soon as i got to the bar to buy my first drink, this older looking short blonde with a crewcut sitting next to the bar tried to pick my pockets. i grabbed her hand and she quickly ran away. i should have reported her to security but somehow the thought didn't occur to me at the time.

after about half an hour i picked these two girls. one was a really cute blonde, and the other was her so-so brunette friend. didn't really like the brunette, she was about a 6 at best, but i liked the blonde a lot and wanted a threesome. and then what the hell happened, i don't know.

in the taxi i suddenly got a horrible headache and then became extremely drowsy. my brain stopped thinking very well, but i did realize that something was probably slipped into my drink. i told the girls i was in no condition for anything, gave them some cash, and they went back to cf in the same taxi. i cam home and crashed - this was about 2 am - and was woken up at 4 pm with a phone call. still had a headache and was drowsy, but not as bad as before.

thinking back to yesterday, i don't even understand what exactly had happened. i only had two beers, and they never left my hands. i mean, there's a chance that somebody was professional enough to throw something into the bottle while it was in my hands, but i find that extremely unlikely. or maybe one of the bartenders was working in tandem with the girls? or maybe the ninjas did it? i don't understand this.

but anyway, i still have this mild muscle pain all over my body now, my reaction is really slowed down and my speech is kind of slurred. the phone call that woke me up was from an old friend of mine i was supposed to meet for a date. we met up a few minutes later and then went back to my place. i thought maybe some sex would revive me, but unfortunately it appeared that no part of my body was spared from lethargic slumber. god damn it. whatever the hell they gave me, i'd like to strangle the person who did it as well as everyone involved in its development and manufacture. i just hope things return to normal soon. and if anyone can maybe guess what i got by the symptoms and give me some advice, that'd be really appreciated.

109,,, are you sure you didn't have some of the cardboard pizza at CF? If not, maybe you got hit with a blow dart from one of the pygmies who sometimes hide behind the slots? :)

Sounds like you needed a wingman!

Actually, I think I know the two girls you were talking about... the blonde was very hot. Is there a chance that when you were talking to one of the girls, the other one dropped something in your beer?

109:

thanks for sharing your story... happy to hear you escaped unrep001hed.

maybe you remember my post from about 6 months or so ago... similar thing happened to me. you got lucky that you figured out the score before worse happened. so did i. if i were you i'd question the two girls next time you see them... hard to tell if it was their scam or not. did they protest when you sent them packing or try to convince to continue home despite your molasses-like condition?

i've spoken to cf girls on the subject and drugging does occur on a fairly regular basis... every girl i knew had heard of "a swiss guy who lost 5 grand" or a "canadian who went to the hospital" or "a dutch guy who lost his camera, passport and self-esteem".

109:

thanks for sharing your story... happy to hear you escaped unrep001hed.

ca_t is right... it is probably the pizza. the only thing more dangerous is a stardogs hotdog... the 8am breakfast of champions.

maybe you remember my post from about 6 months or so ago... similar thing happened to me. you got lucky that you figured out the score before worse happened. so did i. if i were you i'd question the two girls next time you see them... hard to tell if it was their scam or not. did they protest when you sent them packing or try to convince you to continue home with them despite your molasses-like condition?

like you, i was fucked up the entire next day... my recollection of that following day is still bits and pieces... and i even went to business meetings, dinners and somehow ended up at cf again... :)

i've spoken to cf girls on the subject and drugging does occur on a fairly regular basis... every girl i knew had heard of "a swiss guy who lost 5 grand" or a "canadian who went to the hospital" or "a dutch guy who lost his camera, passport and self-esteem".

what worked as an antidote for me was just continuing on, drinking water and eating... and returning to the scene of the crime... this time with a wingman to watch over me. in total i'd say i was abnormal for at least 3 days, although all truly negative symptoms were gone after 24 hours. the following 48 i was just a bit schizo... and felt strangely aggressive and energetic. like some sort of rebellion against the insolent bastards or bastardettes that bestowed such indignation upon my temple of a body.

apparently i haven't yet fully recovered...

Well, 36+ hours after the fact I'm more or less back to normal. I've slept through most of the last two days. I keep thinking about what had happened and it's really amazing that this happened to me. The culprit must have had ninja-like reflexes. I certainly couldn't have gotten anything anywhere else. On that day I've partied with two stippers from Shandra until around 6 am, slept for a couple of hours, had a small breakfast at home, went to work for a few hours, went back home, had a sandwich here for lunch and went back to sleep around 3 pm, getting up at 11:30 PM and going to CF soon after that - where I had spent less than an hour. Only had two Heinies at CF, no food at all. I just thought about that possibility, and the sandwiches I ate at home that day couldn't have been responsible since that German salami and Azbuka Vkusa bread and cheese were the only thing in my fridge and I also ate them Thursday, and yesterday and today with no ill effects.

So it looks the girls I took home were also the ones who did the drugging, since I also think one of them swiped my cell phone from my pocket while we were in the cab. I know I still had it when we left the club because I kept checking my pockets all the time after the earlier pickpocket attempt. I might have just lost it myself I guess, but considering the fact that it was the only item in my left pant pocket, and the girl who protested to being sent home the most was the one sitting to my left in the cab where I momentarily fell asleep, it all kind of makes sense.

Anyway, the thing that scares me the most is that I'm 100% certain my beer bottle never left my hands as I was talking to those girls. As I think about it, it is entirely possible to distract somebody for a moment and quickly throw something light and small into his bottle. Only takes a second. I guess I'm going to be paranoid from now on and plug beer bottles with my thumb at all times, and hold a cup / glass from above covering the opening with my palm. Next time I might not be so lucky, and lose much more than a cell phone.

I wish I could describe what the girls looked like as a precaution, but unfortunately I just don't remember much. I have a horrible memory for names, and wouldn't remember theirs even if I wasn't drugged. The brunette who was sitting next to me in the cab and most likely grabbed my phone I remember very vaguely. She was about 5'9" with heels or even taller I think, and had long badly curled jet-black hair in a ponytail and kind of a simple Eastern-type face. Her blonde friend was a little shorter, had I think shoulder length straight platinum hair with darker highlights, cute open face, said she was an economist student and was wearing dark jeans and a light colored t-shirt with something like EAX written on it. I basically just described half of the CF girls so this paragraph is probably not very valuable. Maybe next Friday I'll hit up CF again and see if I can spot them. I want that damn cell phone back since it has all my friends' phone numbers in it. God damn it.

I guess the final possibility is that those girls weren't responsible for anything except trying to make some money, my state of the last two days is related to something completely different, and I simply lost my cell phone while stumbling around in stupor. I don't know. I'm an extremely cautious guy, anything but a dope, grew up in a bad neighborhood and in my early youth was no stranger to the street and petty crime so I consider myself streetwise. If myself and the old warhorse Dr Skank have gotten drugged in the past six months, this really should serve as a huge warning to everybody. Be careful out there, and if you ever begin to feel drowsy or weird, ditch the girls immediately before it takes full effect and lock all doors.

there are some odorless colorless tasteless substances in
liquid, powder, or tablet form that exist and are available
on the black market for a modest price, that will render a
subject unconscious for several hours.

maybe this is just karma for all the fucked up ass holes
who've drugged girls before and video taped them as
they were anally date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] them as they slept and
woke up with sticky backs.

just think about how the kgb pumped in fentanyl gas to
knock out the terrorists that took over the moscow theatre
with suicide belts in 2003. they turned that attempt into
a mass rescue-murder by overdosing the already weakened
hostages and negelcting to prepare any medical response
crews with enough nar-can ampules to save hundreds who
died in buses on the way to hospital that stopped breathing.

so these cunts work as a team, taking advantage of your sick
perversion to lust for a threesome, and recognizing that you
are easy prey because you strolled in without a wingman to
watch your back.

keep your eyes peeled for this treacherous demon. tanya
works with her lesbo-partner, a very hot 23 year-old divorced
blond named kristina. she'll give herself away with her "no
minyet, no minyet!!" insisting as she gives you a sample of
her girl-girl show with a passionate kiss with her partner.

1o9,

One other possibility is that the drug was put in your beer bottle [b] before [/b] it was served to you. By someone who is an employee of CF, like a bartender. Perhaps even in collusion with the girls.

You and Doc are not newbies to Moscow. If they can get one by you guys, then anyone is vulnerable. Sounds like maybe CF is a good place to stay away from. Lord knows, it's not the only night club in Moscow.

Stravinsky

Most likely you were druged by "klofelin". I dont know exact medical term, but every militia man and doctor know this. It happens all over former USSR, it is a drug of choice for girls who rob locals and foreigners. Watch out next time!

Strav,

Yeah, I thought about that too. It is a possibility as well. Then it's unlikely it has anything with those two girls, since I got my second beer long before I came up to them. However, the very first beer I got there, like I said I got it standing next to that hag who tried to pick my pockets. Maybe she was in collusion with a bartender, and the roofie was in that beer because he saw us talking (she tried to struck up a conversation with me as soon as I walked by)

Anyway, I wouldn't go as far as completely avoiding CF. This Friday night it was just packed with cuties. I'd even say it was the best selection I've seen in over a year. I'd certainly go there again, just be more careful.

Cost is one beer!

Seriously, If anybody is in Moscow this week (flying home June 13), PM me. This is my first time in Moscow and today took my first metro ride. Heading to NF later tonight to see what all the fuss is about.

One O Nine,

Sorry to hear about your experience. I do not know what the drug used was but you can flush it out of your body. There is an American clinic located a few blocks from the stadium in Moscow. $75.00 you get a Russian doctor that speaks English who should be able to help. Address: Prospekt Mira, 26/6 (Grokholsky lane, 1)
Metro: Prospekt Mira Tel: 933-7700

As I remember you can take charcoal tablets that will absorb all drugs good and bad in your system. Use these with all the water you drink and you should be drug free in a couple of hours. If you do not want to do the doctor option maybe a pharmacist can help.

After Doc’s experience, the bottle stays in my hand, I watch the bartender as I am ordering from the bar and the bottle goes in my pocket when I hit the bathroom.

Hope you get to feeling better.

Portnoy

Doc,

I admire your form of rebellion; after your drug assault you came back on a full-scale attack. Starting the next evening after the night you were drugged; you pulled a duo for free out of CF, a virgin off ICQ and did two girl friends all in 24 hours. Incredible comeback.

We should all be so lucky to reach or even be capable of that level of abnormality. Is that a “normal” 24-hour period? Or the best 24 hours you have had.

Enviously,

Portnoy

OK--here I am: A mid-fifties, highly educated, experienced American hobbyist(Caucasian, despite the handle) visiting Moscow for the 1st time in July. I speak no Russian, but after a couple of days practice I find I can (slowly) read the Cyrillic--of course I've no idea what I'm reading!

I will be traveling with my wife, who knows I hobby and doesn't mind but doesn't partcipate. We have an agreement--I do not bring them home, nor to our hotel room when traveling. So, I'm basically interested in some 1-2 hour experiences at an "incall". Here are my questions:

1. Do any of the advertised escorts have incalls, and work as the US--that is, would I need a cell phone in Russia to contact them, as in the US "two-call system"? If so, that would clearly not work for me as I will be in Russia only 1 week and would not want the hassle of getting a cell phone there. How could I get around this problem?

2. If I go the route of picking up pros in bars and clubs, will they have a place nearby to go? (In Japan and Hong Kong, for example, there are a prodigious number of low priced "Love Hotels" or other reasonable venues that the girls all know where to find. Is this also true in Russia?)

3. After reading about all these great "apartment girls" on this site--is there any way a non-Russian speaking visitor like me could ever hook up with them?

4. How about strip clubs? Can I expect to get laid, with BBBJ, DATY, and deep kissing on the premises? For how much? What clubs would you recommend?

I have read a lot of helpful posts on this thread already--but any additional advice you guys could give me would be really appreciated! In particular, I'd like to get the best GFE bang for my rubles, in a situation where bringing them back to my hotel is not an option (as I suspect is true for many dudes out there who are traveling with wives or girlfriends). Thanks!

Japan:

Sounds like you've got a very understanding wife... lucky guy!

As far as incall goes, other guys are more in tune with what you are looking for than me, but here's my two bits...

1. Do any of the advertised escorts have incalls?

Call them and ask. The English speaking ones will be happy to help you... as long as you pay their price.

2. If I go the route of picking up pros in bars and clubs, will they have a place nearby to go?

There are some cheap hotels that some girls now. Some where mentioned that were near CF. It was posted on a while back, but I've never actually done it myself.

3. After reading about all these great "apartment girls" on this site--is there any way a non-Russian speaking visitor like me could ever hook up with them?

Keep trying the apartment girls until you find an English speaking one -or- find an English speaking taxi driver to do it for you. He'll charge you $20-30 for the effort. A couple of good taxi drivers have been mentioned here. A forum search should find what you are looking for. Without Russian language it is really hard to find these places sometimes and they arent always in the true center.

4. How about strip clubs? Can I expect to get laid, with BBBJ, DATY, and deep kissing on the premises? For how much? What clubs would you recommend?

Shandra, Safari Lodge. Well-documented in the forum. DFK, BBBJ and DATY are as always a matter of negotiation and the girl, but are fairly common.

If money's not an obstacle, then I think Shandra or Safari would be great ways to get your holiday off on the right "foot". Lots of eye candy and you'll get your dick sucked by a Slavic superwoman and bang her in the position of your choice in a postcard finish. Will cost you a bit, but you'll never forget it either.

Hit the apartments later to tank up on those happy hormones.

portnoy:

actually i recall quite a few posts from guys who mentioned screwing a half dozen girls in 24 hours on the forum, although usually they were talking about pros. i was envious of their wild weekends.

the day i mentioned wasn’t the absolute best 24 i've ever had pleasure-wise, but it was one of the best 24s statistically, as 5 was probably the most freebies i've ever had in a 24 hour period and 4 first timers in 24 is my personal record. banging 3 or 4 regulars from the usual stock on a single day is fairly common, even though i don't get such a thrill out of it as i once did. concentrating on 1 or 2 for several hours each has been the most fun for me as of late... they get really experimental after the first hour or two and it is a shame to kick them out at that point when it starts get interesting. that is one reason i really like young, inexperienced girls... what they lack in acquired sexual skill they make up for in effort, natural talent and genuine experimental spirit... they seem to earnestly enjoy having an experienced "older" guy (i'm mid-thirties but younger looking) teach them some of the basics. all my girls get cif, cim, bondage, some slap around, anal (usually) and various other things in the course of our relationships. some of those relationships have been going on for a couple of years and others for only a few weeks…. or a few hours. another part that’s great about the young girls is that even though they may fall in love, at some point early in the game they realize that it isn’t a permanent thing and enjoy the ride for as long as it lasts. the mid-20s type looking to start a family are much more dangerous in this respect.

in that particular semi-conscious 24 hours i was still a bit screwed up in the head and acted as if on some sort of pheromonic autopilot. i was quite aggressive with the girls... invited the icq virgin in for tea and banged her within about an hour and a half... cant remember what i told the cf duo to get them to come home with me and the gfs i screwed later reported that i was even wilder on that occasion than my normal self. and they liked it. goes to show you how far a little properly applied aggression and a change of pace can go.

i think one of my personal best achievements was in kiev though, where i scored back to back freebie duos (ménage a trois) on consecutive nights. i admittedly made zero tactical errors in that glorious 48 hours.

that said, i do go home alone fairly often and although i do have periods where everything seems to work out, i also get unceremoniously rejected or waste my time on "sure things" that don’t pan out... tragic moments so deliciously pathetic they are almost beautiful in their reciprocal justice. i know that i am getting more than my share of poon, so a reality check now and then is actually good for me. helps me appreciate that which i do get. and again, despite some of the rhetoric and stories posted on wsg, it proves that there is nothing automatic about picking up women in candyland and nothing is sure until you've actually gotten your dick wet.

here is a journal entry from the personal files of a sure thing gone sour, i can’t remember if i posted it already. its from last winter. if previously posted, my apologies.

“moscow kicking my ass…”

there are days when moscow is your best friend. like a faithful lover, she welcomes you back again and again with warmth, passion and the hot heat of an unexpected encounter. you get that tingling feeling before you go out, the same feeling like when you’ve been working on a girl for a night.. or two… and are anticipating that first touch of hands, the first kiss, the first bit of tit, the first finger down-her-pants-under-her-thong-between-her-pussy-lips-into-the-wet-sopping-warm-moist-gash.

and then there are days when moscow kicks your ass and stands there laughing at you like a snotty third grader who just stole your lunch money or a particularly b$%&hy girlfriend…. and you stand there asking yourself “what the fuck just happened?”

the problem is, moscow can spoil you. you get used to scoring. take it for granted. and when you don’t, you get pissed off. feel inexplicably cheated.

back to moscow. kickin’ my ass.

a saturday or two ago. one girlfriend is sick, which doesn’t bother me much. i call up my perennial favorite and number 1 girl katya. she dutifully comes over… but even before she has come into my apartment i’m bored. she’s dyed her hair… red. it looks atrocious. she knows it. so we talk about her hair for 10 minutes. we talk some more and make out a bit. we fuck. decent , but certainly not my best performance. the whole time i’m thinking “another fucking redhead!” now even my brunettes have gone krasny. the color of the season. like orange in kiev.

what’s happened to katya? she used to be so lively and spirited and positively debauched… like when she gave me a handjob in stereo café with the old couple next to us watching and half of the waiting staff trying to sneak a peak. or when she and her girlfriend would maul me in the metro and say sexual things to me so that everybody could hear, moan loudly and grope me while laughing at the obviously disturbed babushki .

she used to hit all the top clubs and have the skinny on all the hot locales. she used to take weird club drugs i’ve never even heard of. now she’s stowed away all her elitny garb and replaced it with some neo-hippy crap and trainers. she doesn’t go to elite clubs anymore. only “ultra hip” laid back lounges and nameless clubs. nothing against that…but…

she despises zima, leto and osen for their pretentiousness. she stopped smoking. she’s thinking about studying. she’s playing piano again. what the fuck.

she’s still beautiful, no doubt, she’s hyper intelligent, she’s instinctively stylish… but the focus is gone. ok, she’s only 18 and has had three hair colors in the last three months. she’ll go through phases and unlike me, she’ll actually still develop and grow. like her breasts. she’ll be a b-cup soon. it pleases me when they wiggle, and they wiggle more each time i visit her.

i make an excuse and kick her out. she asks me to call her later that night. i lie and say i have business. fucking the regular…especially when she’s gone so regular… well that’s not the kind of mischief i’m looking for. that’s no “napalm in the morning smelling like victory”, that’s…surrender.

i get an sms from luda, an exotic dancer i have yet to fuck. the body says yes yes yes, but she’s too damn innocent and it scares me. she dances not for money or men or prestige.. but just because she likes to dance. she wants to get married and have kids. i’ve met her a few times and exchanged a few kisses and gropes, but i can’t motivate myself to really be aggressive with her. something tells me she is a disaster waiting to happen. something tells me that if i fuck her she’ll be calling her parents to arrange the ceremony before i’ve even washed my dick in the sink.

anyway she’s dancing at her friend’s wedding party tonight. i have nothing else to do and a bit of time to kill, so i show up just to test the waters and keep the pot simmering for a later day. i arrive and realize that i am underdressed… in club clothes. but at least i have nice shoes on. as i enter the banquet hall everybody is clapping and yelling and looking at a stage at the end of the banquet hall, where luda is wearing a yellow sequined belly dancer’s costume and gyrating wildly to some arabic music while smiling in her ridiculous naïve way. luda has big tits. big and bouncy. looks nice. some drunk guy is waving a table cloth around her in a provincial russian version of 1001 arabian nights. as her routine ends to rousing approval and a seemingly endless barrage of uncontrolled clapping and catcalls, the assembled male guests are drooling all over themselves and blatantly staring at luda’s scantily clad body and commenting on her impressive cleavage. in between “spasibos” and waves she suddenly sees me and runs over to me and gives me a bone-crushing hug and a long kiss. as my face presses into the soft warm nape of her neck. i can smell the sweet scent of her sweat mixed with her perfume. i somehow can’t help but think about her pussy at this moment… her labia all puffy and… never mind.

all the guys are staring at me, an obvious foreigner moving in on their territory. i’ve instantly made a lot of enemies. the room seems suddenly silent, even though it couldn’t be. if looks could kill, i’d had lost all nine lives in one shot. already i realize there is no way in hell that i am going to get her out of here in time to fuck her. the party is still raging and i have to leave the next day and she has to go home to mom and dad at about 2am. my window of opportunity…considering taxi travel times… was a matter of minutes rather than hours now. we disappear into a neighboring billiard room and make out a bit. regrettably there are some people playing pool there too…and observing us. making out and a brush of tit are all i am going to get. guys from the wedding party checking on us periodically. some drunk guy, her childhood friend, bursts in and lectures me about fidelity and good russian girls etc. obviously he loves her but can’t get any play so he is trying to intimidate me into not getting any either. well tonight, he is going to win.

after congratulating the couple and their parents, i blow that joint following a streetside hug and kiss and head to park avenue disco near taganskaya ploshad. i reviewed this place a while ago and didn’t like it. i probably just wasn’t drunk enough.

i wait about 20 minutes before they let me in… the line at the gate was ridiculously long. inside i am disappointed in the crap facilities and stupid catacomb like design, but impressed with the available dyev quality and suddenly i feel my mojo return. the only thing i really hate about pad is the fact that there are at least as many guys as girls. not to go down memory lane again, but as recent as three or four years ago you could go into any club and there’ be at least twice as many girls as guys. this is an increasingly rare phenomenon. adjust. deal with it. mutate and survive.

after a quick round to get my bearings and recon the talent, i chat up some girls. good flirting action. finally i spot a group of three together with one tight hardbody redhead (this was during my “red” phase) … sprayed on jeans with a perky full firm ass, and solid handful of tit on each side of her chest and a cute face… and the inevitably beautiful green eyes. i walk up to her and tell her that i want to meet her. she seems thrilled. we chat and drink and flirt for about 30 minute before she invites me back to her girlfriend’s house for drinks. her gf lives somewhere around shosse entusiastov. kind of far from the center, but i figure this is the green light i’ve been waiting for and we jet. at this point i am reasonably sure i am going to score, even though i realize there will be some logistical issues to work out once we arrive at the apartment. nothing i haven’t dealt with before. it’ll be another classic case of divide and conquer, isolating my prey. we catch a taxi… me, her and her she-bot dark-skinned girlfriend. her girfriend looks a bit caucasian… i.e. southern russian… i.e. chechen… i.e. militia bait. i should’ve known better. after about a 15 minute ride and less than 50m from our destination we get stopped by the militia, who had been following us for about half a mile in their dumpy little blue and white lada. i am sitting in the front and prepare for the routine, looking into the rear view mirror and watching the 4 policemen pile out of their clownishly undersized car like the keystone cops. just as american cops all seem to fit the stereotype of the slightly overweight, moustached. crewcutted doughnut abuser, russian cops also all look alike.. especially in winter, when their gray jackets and layered clothing make them look like a pillsbury doughboy on steroids… with attitude. the cops slowly stroll towards our car, two staying behind and two approaching us. the dark-skinned girl gets a bit hysterical and asks me “yest dokumenti?”. yest. but without registration… only my second day in country though, so i should be fine. she seems exceedingly nervous however.

the cop taps on my window. i slowly open the door and step out as he quickly gives the canned salute and nearly incomprehensibly mutters the dobry vecher speech they must have learned on day 2 of the academy, right before that 3 week course in advanced bribe extraction. sometimes i remain in the car, sometimes i step out. today i step out. we go through the routine. entry/departure card. visa. where am i staying? what am i doing? i manage to fend him off with ease. the chechen girl is more interesting to them.

problem with her passport. she doesn’t have one. we are going to the station.

wait a minute, we are going to the station???

before i could react, the original taxi driver has driven off into the dark and we have walked 50 m and are waiting outside the apartment complex where the chechen girls russian boyfriend lives. he comes out somewhat disgruntled and briefly talks to the cops. the chechen girl is sent back into the militia lada and driven to the station with the cops while we follow in the boyfriend’s black 3 series bmw, some trance-like electronic music playing softly while we drive through the quiet suburb without speaking to one another. we can all think of better things to do then go to the militia station at some ungodly early hour. i sit up front again. we stop at the station, which is really more of a shack with some writing on the side and some barbed wire around the top, which seems to be more of a decorative touch than to serve an actual purpose. it is snowing lightly. the disgruntled boyfriend goes inside, wearing just a t-shirt on this frosty winter night. i wait in the car with my date. the mood is obviously a bit gloomy. i check my watch, its getting late… or rather early. fuck. last chance to score is now.

i turn around and start talking to my date, asking her if we can go back to my apartment. its cold in the car and warm in my apartment. a pathetic attempt i know, but i could think of nothing else. its kind of hard to get flirty while your date’s girlfriend is getting grilled filling out a protocol in militia station 486. kind of a mojo killer. no, she must stay and wait for her friend. of course. i respect that. i start to touch and hold her hand, hoping to at least set her up for another date someday somewhere. she babbles something in return. i am not really listening. yet somehow in the midst of an otherwise purposelessly meandering conversation a word suddenly strikes out at me and stabs me like a dagger, that word that the male brain is keyed in to identify and pick out even in the most impossible conditions, like for example while combating the deafening ear-splitting bass in some slavic techno club… let alone sitting silently in an idling bmw in a quiet moscow suburb on an oddly beautiful winter night… she said ”droog”… the “b” word…boyfriend.

startled i look at her and mutter “boyfriend?” in poorly disguised inquisitive disgust. “what kind of boyfriend?”

that kind of boyfriend.

rather than being disappointed or even taken aback, i am ready to kill and struggle… really struggle… to maintain my composure.

all sorts of thoughts went through my head. rather than sitting uselessly alone in somebody else’s bmw, i should be groping some 19 year old dyev now, sticking my tongue in her pussy or her ass or at least down her throat. i should be pondering “to v or not to v” and not “how in the hell am i going to get home?”. i felt violated. cheated. as if this stupid c*nt had purposely kidnapped me from pad to protect her innocent dyev sisters from my sleazy assault. what in the hell did she think i wanted to do in her friends dingy brezhnev era apartment? have tea, look at photo albums and ponder the lost glory of the emasculated proletariat? i think not.

with a sigh and muttering something under my breath, which hung in front of me in the cooling air, i pondered my options. i only had one. i had to get out of there. quite unceremoniously i bid adieu to the girl, who now acted sheepish and insulted, most likely realizing her own error. i opened the car door and following a final “poka” walked towards a somewhat large looking street, strolling briskly past the militia station, which really was just a shack, even as a patrol car drove past me. it was snowing fairly heavily now and the streets were abandoned. almost no traffic. the only traffic next to a militia station is militia traffic. fantastic. i looked around, not really hoping to but somehow expecting to see a pack of ravenous wild dogs circling me with gnashing teeth or spot some rampaging skinheads heading my way in drunken bliss chanting slogans like “death to doc skank!” and drinking vodka-spiked klinskoe beer from the can. somehow i thought that might complete my otherwise “uneventful” evening. added some color to the otherwise drab landscape.

thankfully before the militia picked me up or dogs ate me, a driver stopped and took me to the center for a couple hundred rubles. he let me out at pushkin square, close to my apartment. i briefly considered making a last gasp effort to score at garazh but decided i wasn’t mentally capable of anything but sleep at this point. i went back to my apartment and sobbed myself to sleep.

ok, i didn’t sob, but i did genuinely feel like shit. and have since given up on redheads.

Just wondering Dr Skank,

Some of your stuff reads like out of a book man, whats the script? I've noticed some of the guys on the Kiev section and the Moscow section appear to hold you in high esteem, replies like "awesome Dr Skank" and other accolades, etc. I've read stories like yours verbatim, you are indeed an awesome storyteller, my apologies if I'm wrong, and we will never know, but are you not getting carried away with it all and playing up to your audience? Your mid thirties, young looking, got women coming out of your ears whats the script DR? Lets hear a bit about your private life. Are you living there in Russia? Whats your job etc? You sound like a playboy to me, come on let have a bit spice on you. I'm sure the guys will love it.

well fellow mongers, i am happy to report a wonderful first time in moscow, due in most part, for the valuable information provided by my fellow hobbyists on this forum. i hope this report is of some value and the pictures (posted on the picture thread) provide some enjoyment to the experienced, and, the remaining moscow virgins out there.

before i arrived in moscow i posted a profile on the love.mail.ru site, and, sent a bunch of notes to women in the area. i had 5 women give me their phone numbers to call them when i arrived to set up a date. all seemed eager and ranged in age from 20 to 32. i could only focus on one, and decided to make a date with one i will call e, for sightseeing and dinner on saturday 21 may. seemed like a very sexy woman, educated and good english. pictures werent the hottest, but very sensual , but, ya know.. something about her attracted me. probably because she asked me to bring her an english book to read. she was 32 years old and had a killer body..more a little later on her.

i arrived at about 2200 on 20 may.. and after settling in to the hotel i called a number of the internet ladies i had singled out for "sampling". since it was late by the time i decided that a 'release' was in order, many of the women just couldnt speak english or were too tired to do an "outcall" -- or as they say in their ads "departure to the hotel" or something like that.

so i called kristina at escort-elite.ru and she sent over "sonya" . what a killer woman. tight, large breasted, gorgeous blonde showed up about about 0200 and stayed till about 0600. super gfe, cbj, daty - great personality and a pleasure to be with. actually wanted to marry this woman for the next 12 hours or so, but she had a girlfirend coming in the train station that morning. gave me her home number and asked if i would come over to have something to eat later that day with her and her friend from st. pete. i was really beginning to love moscow, but, i also was thinking, "where is my wingman with the car?" was $150 for the session and gave her 300 rubles for the cab. see pics on the pic thread. a dynamite woman. excellent english.

saturday - 21 may.. slept til noon as i was beat from sonya. called e and made a date to meet her at red square that afternoon. did the sightseeing thing, and had dinner. then she told me she was married and had to get home. not a problem for me and we made a date to see each other on sunday evening. i was having fun with her, but, didnt dive in to it as my hotel was out side of center city and a pain to get to from downtown.

went back to hotel and crashed. kristina called and said she had a special lady for me. i resisited but the little devil on my shoulder kept saying "go ahead, get laid". so i agreed. bottom line it was a young girl, blonde, but fat. i was very dissapointed but out of courtesy i didnt send her off. one shot and then told her i was tired. then complained the next day to krisitina. she promised to make amends.

sunday - met e again, dinner, drinks, groping, kissing, but she had to get home early. i figured i would see her one more time and do the deed.

tues night - called kristina - she sent over helena - another killer woman. what can i say. cbj, daty, gfe and sweet. i love these russian women!
see pics on the pic thread.

thursday night - made a date with e to come to my hotel. she lived on south side of city, and i was at the "art hotel" off lengradsky prospect almost on the other side of the city. she got cab for 300 rubles each way which was a bargain. we had dinner in the berrgarten, then went upstairs to have "dessert" she was a wild woman in bed. wanted me to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] her almost. i was floored. i really thought she was a little conservative, but, was i wrong. she wanted it and not just easy. she wanted to be taken. so this cowboy just went with the flow and we had a wonderful time, spent, to the limit in a couple hours. then off on her cab to hubby.

there is not question in my mind that if i was spending a much longer time in moscow, i would have followed up with the other four ladies who gave me their phone numbers. i think it takes a little effort, but, the result was very satifying for me. a little drama, intrigue, and "cat and mousish" to take the monotony of just having a woman come to your hotel, stipping, sucking you , and fucking you. this was a nice twist. and the russan woman are very passionate.

so in 7 nights, got laid 4 of them with a good variety of women. only dissapointed once. actually if i had the time and stamina, it would have been easy to do all 7 nights, but, i will leave that to some of the younger mongers out there. this is one satisfied man. thanks for all the great recommendations. and i love moscow.

i am off to montreal this weekend for the grand prix. will post a report on that board soon.

see the pic thread for some nice shots of sonia and helena.

ciao, ocean

holy mackarel. i can't possibly match ds's story in either style or substance, but here's a little cautionary tale of mine titled "magical midgets and crooked teeth".

i started the evening around 11 at the good old oh la la. i was on a mission to find a girl or two to take home. i'm personally getting tired of sex at strip club facilities, both because they're usually small and uncomfortable and because i don't like to be on the clock. the club was just the way i like it - quite a few cuties, very few clients. the talent was simply great across the board, i only really saw one girl below an 8. she by the way deserves a special mention and 109's wtf award of the week. i saw her a few times at other strip clubs - really tall blonde with a face even a mother couldn't love, weird tits, sweats profusely, and as soon as she comes up to you she begins to moan artificially and whisper in your ear "oh, my king, super king". seriously, wtf? super king? i can't even begin to understand that. she just says that crap non stop and is really hard to get rid of. if you see her, run.

anyway, the girls seemed even more willing than usual to hand out their phone numbers, and i walked away with more great options than i can possibly explore in the few days i have left in moscow. it took incredible amount of willpower to keep declining their offers for sex on the premises, and unfortunately my counteroffers to go to my place were all rejected. finally by around 12:30 i realized this was mission impossible and caught a cab to nightflight.


at nightflight, the first thing i saw walking in the door was a three-foot-tall wrinkled fella in a top hat doing magic tricks. the second thing i saw was the hostess with bunny ears and two giant incisors. apparently they had some sort of theme night. the place was packed, but unfortunately it looked like everyone got off the ugly bus. lately it seems to become harder and harder to find great looking girls at nf. anyway, somehow suddenly a whole bunch of people seemed to make the deal at about the same time, the place cleared up, and i was left in like a 4:1 girl to guy ratio. the little magician was walking around openly neglecting his duties and chatting up all the more attractive girls. he spent an eternity talking to the one girl i liked the most, apparently not planning to use her services and just cracking jokes and rattling his little box. i kind of lost track of them for a moment, and some other guy quickly intercepted the girl and whisked her off before i had a chance to say hello. i never in my life thought i'd be denied sex by a magical midget. damn you, you little bastard!

by around that time all the alcohol i've taken in at oh la la and nf finally caught up with me, and i found it difficult to peel off from the bar and walk in a straight line. it suddenly occurred to me that i had to bag me one of them asian womens and see if it's really sideways. the first asian girl i talked to said she was south korean / japanese, born in moscow. she was short, really pretty average looking, wore criminally excessive amounts of makeup and demanded 500 euros!!! then i talked to the only other asian girl in the place, also not particularly attractive and with crooked teeth. even if she had normal teeth she'd probably be about a 6, so really on any other night i wouldn't even look at her twice. however as i began to talk to her i really liked her attitude. she didn't have an ounce of your general nf cold professionalism and faked exquisiteness, and it just felt like chatting up some freebie in a night club. she asked for 300 and well, god damn it, i agreed. and she even tried to pay the cab fare!

when we got to my place she went straight to the bedroom, dimmed the lights and instantly lost her clothes. before i knew it she already had my cock in her mouth. i'm usually very careful and unlike many posters here don't feel comfortable with unprotected oral, but this time i was too drunk to protest. then without even me asking she shoved her pussy into my mouth, and yech, i got a horrible taste of something which i hope was soap. i didn't go for seconds and just let it float in front of my face. the blowjob i got was probably the worst all-teeth experience i've had since about 8th grade. a few moments later with the words 'ooh i want fuck' she attempted to mount me. still. without. a. condom. if i didn't have cat-like reflexes i probably would have ended up right in there. that creeped me out a little bit, but drunk and horny is not a very good combination for your brain so i put on a condom and we went on.

she had a really tight ass that obviously had not yet been visited by a dick. i almost broke off my finger in there. she didn't mind me fumbling around in it thoguh, and after a little while she guided me out of her pussy and started poking my dick around her ass. she obviously wasn't ready for this though, and despite about 20 minutes of my best attempts i just wasn't able to gain more than an inch. finally, she tried to yank the condom off and asked me to keep trying without it. that really weirded me out, i got a little scared for my life and lost any desire to come in contact with any part of her body. i sent her off, and without any protests she got dressed in a flash and disappeared. she had this really weird deer-in-headlights look as she was leaving, and then i had my first ever obsessive compulsive episode and spent like an hour and a half in the shower washing away any traces of her bodily fluids. i'm still really scared over this whole thing.

anyway, her name i don't remember as usual. she's kazakh, really skinny with long legs, small tits, about 5'7" i guess, long black hair in a bun, and like i said crooked teeth. it goes without saying that she should be avoided at all costs. a pro so willing to have unprotected sex is a fucking weapon of mass destruction.

Japan,

If I were you I prefer Shandra. After 23:00, there are plenty of girls, looking for action. Each and every one of the girls are avaliable for private rooms.

It depends on your negotiation skills but they often ask $100-150 for 1 round sex plus $50 for the room(small ones).

Unfortunately very few of the girls really speak english, but they understand the comman language.

At the first time I felt like a 8 years old boy at the candy shop. Anything and everything is possible as long as you have enough cash. There are no limits.

Just one humble thought about DOc's advice,

I experienced incall girls in different occassions. The real problem is that you do not feel comfortable. As a foreigner you're always a target for crimes.

Most of the incall girls I met, were staying with other girls or in shit hole one room apartments. Girls are truely hot and sexy, but I felt weird about the place. Therefore instead of incall girls I reccomend you stick up with NF girls. They always know cheap, secure and clean hotels and apartments. They might be a little salty than the other pros. but they worth it.

Have fun,

AJ

109:

Loved your story... very David Lynch. You have to love Moscow... never ceases to surprise...

Diceman:

I do keep a journal for myself and occasionally post excerpts here, feeling that it does offer a look at Moscow or Kiev from a perspective other than the p4p game. I have always contended that the real beauty of EE is the mix between pro action, freebie action and the simple appreciation of the glorious Slavic female. Sure we abuse her sometimes, but we also appreciate her for her superiority and beauty. I figure I wont be able to keep doing the freebie thing forever, so while the going's good I am collecting girls, pictures, video and stories.

I don't live in Moscow or EE but am there 4-5 days a month. I've mentioned that a few times. Obviously I enjoy writing and enjoy life. I try to extract as much humor and experience from the things that happen to me as possible and if I have the time, put it on paper for my own purposes. After all the time and effort put into chasing women, I think it would be a shame if all the experiences I've had faded with time and ceased to exist. Some of it I post here if I feel it is appropriate. I know other guys are experiencing the same as me and there are guys out there doing even better on the freebie market than I am, although I doubt they relish it as much as I do though.

Am I playing it up? No... just paying attention to details.

Moreover, the more people post on this forum, the more insight we gain. I continue to learn from others, even including the newbies who bring in valuable information, sometimes even in form of a question not previously posed. So keep it coming.

dıceman... Not that it really matters, but İ can personally attest to many of the reports that doc has posted!

Of course, İ must admit that it really pisses me off that this young stud seems to get almost anything he goes after... makes me want to puke! :)

Actually İ am expecting to see a XXX book out soon... Doc Skank Does the FSU... OR, How İ Managed to Nail Every Chick in Russia before İ Turned 40!

Dagnabbit CA-T! You stole my big moneymaking idea! ;-) This would have been the perfect book to release, now with the worldwide success of "The Natashas". But you'd want to play it up - it should be one of those really big, oversized "coffee table" books, and with a real "velvet painting" treatment to the cover. Some chapter ideas I've had are: chapter 1: Totchka Troublemakers, chapter 2: The Chesterfield Chupakabre, chapter 3: All Chicks Are Named Yana...

Personally, I think Doc Skank's magic secret is that he's Doc Skank. DOCTOR Skank? DOCTOR Strangelove? Is this a mere COINCIDENCE? I think not! Just rest assured that when the end of the world comes, and Bush and Putin are sitting in the war room (probably rented from CA-T) pondering where to play golf that afternoon, you can bet that Doc Skank will be there, with a redhead on his lap and a camera in his pocket.

OpusD

[QUOTE=CA Traveler]dıceman... Not that it really matters, but İ can personally attest to many of the reports that doc has posted!

Of course, İ must admit that it really pisses me off that this young stud seems to get almost anything he goes after... makes me want to puke! :)

Actually İ am expecting to see a XXX book out soon... Doc Skank Does the FSU... OR, How İ Managed to Nail Every Chick in Russia before İ Turned 40![/QUOTE]

Without Doc's and CAT's great adventures this forum turns into another boring discussion place.

Their experiences helped me a lot to explore the other face of Moscow.

Monger's handbook...

Chp1: EE women
Chp2: Apartment or hotel
Chp3: Taxi drivers
Chp4: Tochka
Chp5: İnfamous CF and NF
Chp6: Rest of the places(Clubs, internet, banya/sauna, apartments)
Chp7: How to get druged
Chp8: How to deal with Militia
Chp9: Frebie action
Chp10: How much it's gone cost me?

(These are the common questions keep asking by the fellow mongers.)

Dr Skank doesnt exist. And if he does, he is a Dutch nuclear physicist working in Reykjavik.

[QUOTE]"my apologies if I'm wrong, and we will never know, but are you not getting carried away with it all and playing up to your audience?" [/QUOTE]
Its not that we will never know. Several of us do know, cause we have been hunting with Skank for years. He is just better on the prowl than the rest of us. More stamina. The guy has the ability to go almost without sleep for a week when he is in Moscow "working".


[QUOTE]Your mid thirties, young looking, got women coming out of your ears whats the script DR? [/QUOTE]
The script is he is mid 30s, young looking and has women coming out of his ears. How much more of a script do you need?

I have after a long break read these posts and, come on Doc, when are you in St Pete or Helsinki? I would love to have a big dick night with you and my friends to test you :-)

Could not really believe that after drug dose your bone was so fast up and running ;-)

Poka,

Maria

PM me

Damn it, why do I always strike out with tochkas? Went out on a run at a little late for a Tuesday, almost at 12:30 and started with the far-away ones first. Selection was pretty bad, so after a couple of major tochkas produced nothing but goblins I had to lower my standards somewhat. Finally from some minor line-up I picked a cute plump little young thing for six thosuand. She seemed so sweet in the underpass... Smiled at me shyly, clumsily held my hand as we walked back to our car.

I got my first warning flag when she began swearing like a sailor in the car. I got my second warning flag when she ate half my fridge and drank half a the bottle of straight out vermouth without getting drunk. Finally we went to the bedroom, she laid on her back and relaxed. I managed to get some emotion out of her initially, but she flat out refused to blow my overworked little friend. Penetration being the only other choice, she demanded that we do it on the side, and that was the only acceptable position for her. "But I happen to like other positions too" I told her. "Fine," she said "you fucking pig (свинья поганая ). Do any position you like, if you want me to lay here like a log."

And with that she laid back, spread her legs and closed her eyes. No response to touch or verbal commands. I sat there bewildered for a few seconds and then threw her ass out. Jesus H. Christ. I hate being left high and dry at 3:30 am on a Tuesday night when you have to be up at 7. I got nothing left but vent on the internet and go to sleep. Uggh.


With that, I have a question. Is it a good idea to follow mamochka's recommendations? Somehow they always seem to recommend the girls I don't like, but mamochkas keep raving about this or that girl's skills and how they make clients very happy. Are they honestly giving you the best options, or are just trying to sell the goods that don't sell themselves? I just can't understand what I'm doing wrong and why every single tochka girl I get is a horror story one way or the other.

Damn Mellie!
Always raising the god damn stakes!

What the hell is a very part time monger supposed to do?

Jeez.

Just keep snappin' those snappers, I guess.

Stupid fuckin' Lotto, lost again. Sucks not being oligarch,
but Khordarovsky ain't so lucky either. Just don't be the
richest one, eh?

Well, here's Olya. She likes erotic movies. And money.

[QUOTE=One O Nine]I have a question. Is it a good idea to follow mamochka's recommendations? Somehow they always seem to recommend the girls I don't like, but mamochkas keep raving about this or that girl's skills and how they make clients very happy. Are they honestly giving you the best options, or are just trying to sell the goods that don't sell themselves? I just can't understand what I'm doing wrong and why every single tochka girl I get is a horror story one way or the other.[/QUOTE]

I can't speak for recently, but when I visited Moscow last year I found myself wishing I'd listened to the momma, who seemed to be a better judge of what the girls would do than what I could pick out. Funny, it seems the girls who go totally berzerk always seem so quiet and sweet in the lineup. Anyone have any bad "momma" experiences or thoughts?

Boys... boys... boys... How many times does papa have to say it? Tochkas are like a box of chocolates... You NEVER know what you are going to get!

Does not matter if momma says she is good or not! All that guarantees is that she MAY not be a wacko! Not that she is good... Momma may just feel sorry for her that she has not been picked for the past month!

Best thing you can do is pick the one who you like best... HOWEVER, if you settle for something less than desirable instead of moving to the next tochka, it is your own damn fault.

İt is like poker, when you should not play if you can not afford to lose... you should not play the tochka game if you do not accept the fact that you could pick a loser!

Also, remember that one person's trash is another person's treasure... the same one who rocks your boat one night may turn into a wacko the next night!

rm... We never hear from you on the Russia board until you schedule your next Moscow visit and begin to think about Moscow and then... voila! RM ıs back on Moscow time!

Even if I did not get your PM, İ would know you were on your way to Moscow just by following your posts! :)

Roger Mellie is one of those guys I mentioned whose collection of freebies consistently motivates me to get out there and try harder... I always feel like he is getting the better girls! Can't wait to go hunting with him again.

Sid66:

Your post had me scared until I realized you were a female... I remember our St.Pete board conversation a while back... thought you'd disappeared. Glad to see you back!

Sure, I'd be happy to entertain you and the girls... BTW: seems everybody on WSG has (involuntarily) seen my dick, how 'bout you posting a picture of your snapper? Sure the boys would enjoy it...

Mamachkas and selection:

Selection is the key to tochkas but Ca_T is right as always... you really never know how it will turn out. My best and worst p4p experiences were from tochkas, even though my recent experience is limited. Despite some decent results reported lately I have generally been unimpressed with the quality, especially considering the price tag.

Best is to trust your instincts and know your own taste. The mamachka can usually recommend at least some new girls... which can be a good or a bad thing. My best results have been with new and somewhat innocent looking girls with good bodies... they respond well to pleasant treatment. The aggressive overly friendly type often turn out to be vicious gold diggers that go cold and want to see money for any extras and the overly shy and sad looking are often the jilted, unresponsive man-hating kind.

109 did right to kick the girl out... no chance of salvaging that situation. The chick sounded dangerous, especially if she was drunk. A write-off. Happens.

In the old days, I used to satisfy myself that Skank scored lots more freebies than me by convincing myself that I got better quality.

But the guy is now totally in a league of his own. Not only has his success rate picked up even further, but his quality is now "top banana" as well. How do you compete with that?

On top of that, he is far more patient than me, which means he writes better and is better at getting the dyevs to pose in front of the camera.

Any publishers out there looking for a book deal?? Like the mens version of "Belle de Jour"?? ... get in quick for a 6 figure deal with Skank.

CAT - Alas, my visits to Moscow are not as frequent as they once were. Tied up with a plethora of other obligations. But as you know mate, life has a way of releasing you from those obligations when you dont expect it .... At those times, a man turns to Moscow ;-) My Moscow days arent over ... just in a lull.

BezB. - No Bazar, tovarisch. For you sir, I humbly offer a snapper shot. (or is it a butt shot?) Hope there is not too much schlong in there.

Recently returned from Archangelsk again. Went to my favourite Shandra on my first night back. My mistake it was Friday. It was packed. They really need some form of ventilation down there. The air was thick with smoke, I'm a smoker and i had to leave because it was so thick. The girls were not as good as i remembered so i headed to Safari, it was as i hoped.
In the Expat newspaper Exile (also [url]www.Exile.ru[/url]), Safari is advertised as having another branch in west central Moscow, has anybody been to there other branch?

Folks,

I don't want to review the many past pages.

If you go to Oh La La and take the side room option, do you get full service?

And what would you expect to pay.

OE

That's lovely snatch RM, is the V for victory? Looks like you had a triple hole night...

...here's a reminder why I like to hit P4P now and again... St.Pete sauna girl, sorry I have no contact info. I posted other pics of her before. I cant get enough of her body... but it was her personality that won me over. Didnt talk much, approached her work with professionalism, patience and courtesy. And disappeared forever out of my life.

I flu I had a few jitters about her not showing up...But the lure of Carribean is too hard to resists for UKR/RUS devs.
As a result I had a week of amazing sex with the great looking girl. Her body is amazying. Check out pics in appropriate section.
Total sucess, aside from sunburn.

Yes mate, she did 3 holes (or as I prefer to say, the "Holy Trinity") that night. Each hole nice and warm and inviting.

Here's one for the purists ... old pic from back in the 90s. Anyone who remembers mongering in the 90s will recall occasionally having to visit the dyevs apartment, out in the boonies, when they lived at home with their parents. These immaculately dressed (in fake label gear), super slim (the 90s era dyev was at least 5 kgs lighter on average than current models) dyevs would confound you by taking you into their cesspit homes. The juxtaposition of immaculatly dressed, immaculately bodied dyev and dumpy apartment was hard to describe, but its harder to imagine a greater contrast. The old soviet places had carpet hanging on the wall, a million bookcases stuffed with books that nobody reads, and no beds. Everyone slept on sofa beds that folded out into beds at nighttime. Well heres a pic of a 19 year old dyev who invited me back to her place and pleaded with me for a shag, even though her parents were in the next room behind an opaque glass door. It put me off a bit, but eventually I relented and took her on "her sofa". The pic captures her wincing as she takes the opening thrust.

RM

if you happen to miss the athmosphere of the 90's you refer to and would like to breathe that once again in search of a rejuvenating link to younger eras of your life, have a look at, say Tashkent or similar capitals of satellite countries. You'll find that they are seriously behind schedule and not very different from the picture you highlight.

In Tashkent I had that kind of experience, meaning:

- endless drive to lost suburbs in the desert
- accomodation in a flat that deserves immediate hygienization through irrecoverable elimination from the face of Earth by means of napalm or similar highly effective mass destruction chemicalities
- being hosted by a babushka who may have witnessed the Russian-Japanese war
- "obliging" this lady to take her bones out of the living room / bedroom where she was enjoying the rest of her life's sunset and sit in the kitchen at 3 am
- while I was asked to bang my jem in the SAME sofa-bed still warm from the babushka's body ...

See Tashkent section for details

I'm sure provincial Russia is still not much different, too. I would highly recommend such experience to anybody wishing to appreciate

1) how reach the West is actually
2) how spoilt Western girls are actually

How a perfect beauty can be ever able to generate and regenerate itself on a regular basis within such a shitty place is something that goes beyond any best motivated ability to understand ...

last night the gods smiled upon me, and finally after all the shit in the past week i've had a great experience. i was showing a jr member around moscow on his first night in the city and did my usual routine.

we started at safari lodge at around 11. the place was absolutely jam packed, we barely found a place to seat, and a lot of guys who came later had to stand. one enterprising individual was getting lap dances while propped up in the corner. not the best quality i've seen, but pretty understandable for a friday night. all the hotties i've spotted seemed to disappear as soon as they'd enter the main rooms. but the good thing was, while the high end of the spectrum was underrepresented, so was the bottom end. the goblin ratio was very, very low.

we were hustled a little bit, especially my wingman, by some used up females in the beginning, but after we brushed them off (with difficulty) it seemed to clear up. i've spotted this one girl in the corner, and man oh man, i'm usually a pretty jaded individual and the only thing these girls excite in me is my dick. but this dark brunette charlize theron look-alike was just radiant. it's like i got hit with a hammer over the head, and that awakened a 13-year-old inside me. she was talking to some guy for what seemed like ages, and god damn it, as soon as i gave some large-breasted giantess the cash for a private dance the girl i liked finally became available. i motioned her over and was lost forever in her gleaming eyes. two seconds later the giantess yanked me out of them and dragged me into the little room. the brunette was really surprised to say the least.

the uninspiring privat was soon over, and i went back to olga. she spoke very basic english, and we had a rather strange, short conversation. i asked her if she was a dancer. "no," she smiles, "i no dance, no dance". "what do you do?" "ahh" smiles even wider "how to say...". "sex?" i said with a stupid look on my face, my voice quivering in tribute to my teenage years. "what!!!" her eyes grow large "no!" she stood up and left.

so, well, what the hell? this girl doesn't dance, doesn't have sex. what does she do up in that place? i thought that maybe she was a client, but she was wearing this really tight skimpy little outfit that you obviously can't wear outside, and she did take my tip very matter-of-factly earlier. anyway, maybe it was for the best. i was just melting in her presense, lost all my charm and fumbled about and stuttered like a little kid. girls who do that kind of thing to you are probably best avoided.

anyway, дело was getting к ночи, it didn't look like there was anything worth staying over there for, so we took a quick cab to cf. walked in there still with happy grins on our faces after safari. then the sound track played the record scratching sound. aack! my eyes! skanks all around, just absolutely nasty looking hoes, and a very alarming number of the ones who saw too many winters. like, 30 too many. some shapeless blob who was seductively shaking her hips at me could have been in her early 50s. we came, we saw, we ran the fuck away.

next stop - nightflight. got there at around 1:30. place was virtually deserted. still a decent selection of girls, but virtually no guys. this little brunette immediately caught my eye, i talked to her a little bit and then despite all the standard battlefield procedures i peeled off and left my wingman all by himself well behind the enemy lines. i hope things worked out well for him, there were certainly at least a couple of really good choices left.

the girl i got was just head and shoulders above the general nf level. kind of a eastern-type look, could have passed for jewish if she wanted to, great smile, wonderful brown eyes. as adorable a face you can ever hope for, great body with perfect bs and an ass to drive you crazy. student of russia's top university, valedictorian of her class, ballroom dancer, the ex boyfriend she just recently broke up with was some oligarch type, immaculate taste in clothing, very well educated and well read.

went back to my place, had some drinks, talked for a while, had some sex. real wildcat, and she seemed to want it more than me. she absolutely exhausted me and i think i still left her wanting more. by around 6 am she had to leave, called herself a cab, and spent the half hour waiting for it cuddling up to me and purring. when the cab arrived and as we were said goodbye i suddenly remembered i never gave her the money. i stopped her in the doorway and gave her the 500. i'm sure that if i didn't, she wouldn't have even cared.

i'm so sorry now that i have to leave moscow tomorrow. you don't meet girls like that every day. by every single parameter she was the best girl i've ever met in russia. man oh man. it's interesting how things work out. just as i was getting weary of things, in one night i meet not one but two girls who absolutely blow me away. ah, moscow, what a town, what a town!

$500??? As in dollars?

Yes, right, sorry, 500 bucks. That was her quoted price at NF. To clarify, after several hours of sex above and beyond the call of duty she was leaving without getting paid - most likely unintentionally. I remembered at the last second and paid her as she was in the doorway.

For me 500 bucks is inflationary.

My experience was that you can call a service off the internet and get a visit for 300 all night and avoid the hassle of the hunt. Kinda like "pizza delivery".

But that is just my taste. I guess we all like the thrill of the hunt. One man's opinion.

Ocean

Last night me and my wingman from the previous night hit up some strip clubs. I was on a mission to get rid of a giant wad of Russian currency I had accumulated. We've started at the club that's for some reason been underreported everywhere: Mister XXX, Novy Arbat 12. No posts on this forum for it, not even an exile.ru listing.

The first thing I like about that club is that things get put on a bill for you, and you pay for any services besides the tips when you leave - cover, drinks, dances, sex etc. This obviously means that if you're on a budget you have to keep mental track of what you're getting, but otherwise it's very convenient since you don't need to bring too much cash and can just pay with a credit card for most of your visit.

The club is very well decorated, and my only gripe is that the client couches have these heavy tables nailed right next to them. It's always an adventure for the girl to give you a lapdance. Other than that, it looks eons better than the shoddy interiors at places like Shandra and Safari Lodge and what have you. You do feel like in a nice, upscale establishment and not just in your buddy's basement while his parents are out of town.

The center of the room is dominated by a very large elevated stage - one of the largest stages I've seen in any Moscow stripclub. It has the pole in the middle all surrounded by mirrors, and some bars to the left. The girls dance by the pole and by the bars and in general have a lot of options in what they can do, and most of them use it. They do get fully nude up on stage, and dance I believe two songs one at a time, so you can always get a good look at the goods.

The girls in the place on Saturday night were all good to great looking. Not a single girl below a 7. One waitress and one dancer were absolutely smoking. The waitresses by the way wear these great French maid outfits with skirts that only cover their asses halfway, and in general are a pleasure to look at. There weren't that many girls in the place though, maybe 4 or 5 waitresses and 5 to 7 dancers, but I wouldn't refuse sex with any of them.

You don't get hustled in that place at all. The girl comes up to your table and dances a few feet away from you a little bit. If she gets a smile and a nod she'll come up and dance for you. Otherwise they leave without any problems and without having to be asked twice.

Private dances are pretty cheap, $35 for a dancer and I believe $50 for a waitress. Sex on premises is charged in 10-minute incriments, and is ridiculously cheap at $15 bucks per 10 m with a dancer, something like $30 with the waitress and $50 with a hostess. That comes up to only $90 bucks per hour with a stripper ladies and gentlemen. The all-night take-out fee (i.e. what you pay the club and not the girl to take her off the premises) is $150 for a dancer, $200 for a waitress and I think $500 for the hostess. Plus obviously if you're taking them home there's the girl's fee that you have to negotiate with her. I haven't tried to take any of them out, so I don't know what the girls charge.

We spent about an hour and half there and the time just flew. Besides us two there were only two more lone guys up in the place, and one of them was just watching the stage and waving everybody off. I got a smoldering hot private dance from this one blonde with really cute perky tits and the nipples that could poke holes through your body. Not only did she not mind being touched everywhere, halfway through the first of the two songs she insisted on being eaten out a little bit. She then cuddled up to me in the main room and just relaxed.

I really enjoyed the calm, quiet atmosphere in the club. The music is not too loud and in general pretty decent, none of the blaring crap you get showered with at some other places. The lights are not too bright and not too low. Everybody's good to great looking, the seats are comfortable, the prices are very reasonable. What else could you want? Based on that one visit, I'd certainly reccomend Mister XXX to everyone. On a slower night this could definitely be your one-stop shop for all your erotic needs.

We left Mister XXX at around 1 am and quickly ran through Shandra and then NF. Those places were business as usual, I banged a really wild petite brunette at Shandra who gave me a free upgrade to anal, and took home a rather average looking blonde from NF for $300. Kind of a generic end to a good night. I wish I had stayed at Mister XXX and maybe arranged something with that stipper and the waitress I really liked. I'm leaving Moscow tonight. Will have to pick this up next month.

1o9,

There are a lot of strip clubs in Moscow that are not reported on this board or exile.ru, mainly because they don't encourage an expat crowd.

Mister XXX gets reviewed quite a bit on sextalk.ru. They have a whole section on strip clubs and even a listing, Каталог Московских стрипклубов. You might find it interesting, next time you're in Moscow.

Yeah, I do read up on sextalk.ru pretty often. I keep meaning to translate their strip club list and the Newbie FAQ for this forum but never seem to have the time. In any case, since that resource is pretty inaccessible to most English speakers I figured I'd just describe my experience at Mister XXX as if sextalk.ru did not exist.

And I certainly saw nothing there to suggest it does not welcome expats. All but one girl spoke at least some English, and the hostess spoke fluently. They had English menus, and the most elaborate crazy menu in English I've seen anywhere, with illustrations and detailed descriptions of every item listed. They are listed in a bunch of other English resources, so I don't think they have anything against an expat there.

All right gents, off to Kiev. Hokhlushki, here I come!

Hey, please consider the consequences before you
go and recklessly throw your multi-benjamins
around in Kiev.

Its just a request, but it would really be best if you
didn't inadvertently Moskva-ize Ukraine into your
personal overpriced money-pit amusement park/playground.
Don't be offended, but you're kind of like the Michael Jackson
of mongerers!

No matter how much she asks for or how hot she is,
$100 to $150 for 2 hours should absolutely be the
maximum you "agree to".

Don't lose sight that normal jobs still only pay
about $25 per week. Even the super-smoking hottest
amateur university student godesses with a +10 ranking
still will give in from demanding $300 to $100 or $150,
so long as they don't sense a weakness or kink in your
armour. Stand firm and just keep insisting that you're
not budging, and that YOU KNOW they are the one who
is wrong about the price.

Some of them are keenly aware that we let the little
head do our thinkng for us too often. Going down that
road has consequences. When they get overpaid, they
start thinking that their pizda is made out of gold, and
the service gets cold and business-like. That's why
western FWC's have become a total waste of time, and
should be given nothing but the contempt they deserve.

Been to Florida lately? An 18 year old Colombiana chica
mucha caliente' escort remains priced at $150, despite some
of the ridiculous $500 offers you find on the net for 26 year old
high-class type hookers, so turning east europe into
west europe/america means that nobody wins.

(anticipating a trip to Moscow soon)

Just for clarification:
When someone says they paid $150 they mean 150 U.S.Dollars?
Not 150 Rubles?

I got my calculator out and I'm thinking 150 rubles may be more of a bargain than I can reasonably hope for!

109... Even though I must admit that $500 is a little rich for my blood, I will say that it's good info on Mr. XXX. I also must admit I have never heard anyone in Moscow even mention it. Maybe I missed it, but how much are the lapdances? 100 Rubles? If so it certainly sounds like a place to add to the must do list. How much is the entrance fee?

When I get back next week you can trust that I will check it out.

LC... Yes, unfortunately, it is USD and not rubles... If it were rubles all the dudes headed to SEA for cheeeeep girls would invade Moscow and the price might even go up to 500 rubles! :)

In Moscow the prices are almost always quoted in USD... However, in Spb the Euro has become the currency of choice. At least until the USD becomes worth more than the Euro then they will change back to the USD!

Last visit I met a stunning couple of girls at CF on my last night who were visiting Moscow from Rostov. The best looking of the two couldn't speak a word of English but apparently thought enough of me to slip me her phone number. The other girl who was damn near as nice could speak a little English so we kinda conversed.

As that trip fades my mind goes back to the beauty who gave me her number. I can't call because my Russian is not near good enough to attempt a call. If I let even more time lapse, She will undoubtedly forget the encounter. I need a Cyrano.

I am intrigued about the guy who invited an internet girl sight unseen to the Carribean and it spaked an idea. At least I've seen this girl and She liked me enough to give me her # un asked so may this is something I can explore.

Any thoughs? Help?

JQ,

Long distance relationships via phone are difficult at best, but if you don't speak the lingo, it will be impossible.

The best way would be to correspond by email, if she has access to an email address. That way you can run the messages through a website like translate.ru.

You can sign up for a free email account with [url]www.mail.ru[/url]. Their email software has an automatic translation feature from Russian to English, which makes it even easier.

She will probably find your communications a little "smyeshnoi" (humorous) if they are coming from a computerized translation, but the fact that you are willing to make the effort to contact her will endear you to her all the more.

счастливо,

Stravinsky

Further on that point, use an online translator like [url]www.translate.ru[/url] to translate a short text and send it to her phone via SMS - she gave you a mobile phone number, did she? Then she can send her email address and the rest goes like Stravinsky pointed out.

I've met a girl online, who spoke very little of anything else, and I didn't speak any Russian either. But we managed to get closer using this method, and on our first face-to-face encounter she brought a colleague to translate. We managed the second meeting already without translation, actually even without many words.

Good luck,

Wolfgang

[QUOTE=Stravinsky]JQ,

Long distance relationships via phone are difficult at best, but if you don't speak the lingo, it will be impossible.

The best way would be to correspond by email, if she has access to an email address. That way you can run the messages through a website like translate.ru.

You can sign up for a free email account with [url]www.mail.ru[/url]. Their email software has an automatic translation feature from Russian to English, which makes it even easier.

She will probably find your communications a little "smyeshnoi" (humorous) if they are coming from a computerized translation, but the fact that you are willing to make the effort to contact her will endear you to her all the more.

счастливо,

Stravinsky[/QUOTE]

Thanks for the SMS advice but I don't have a phone with Russian text capabilities. Any suggestions how to go from here?

My Russian friends are quite used to sending and getting transliterated SMSs, in other words in Russian language, but English character set. This looks like this for instance: yedu v metro i dumayu o tebe.

This of course requires you to transliterate the Russian translation you get from the web, and I don't know an automatic way to do that. Ideas anybody?

What will probably be more easy, John, is to use the online SMS gateway of her provider. I for instance have a bee-line phone, the gateway address is [URL]www.beonline.ru/portal/comm/send_sms/simple_send_sms.sms[/URL].

You can find the provider by googling her number prefix, or just tell us here (the first 3 digits after +7 are enough) and someone will be able to give you the right address, I'm sure.

Am I missing something?

All the best,

Wolf

[QUOTE=John Quakman]Thanks for the SMS advice but I don't have a phone with Russian text capabilities. Any suggestions how to go from here?[/QUOTE]

JQ,

Just a thought...

The number she gave you, was that her phone number in Rostov? Of the number where she was staying in Moscow?

Was it even a mobile number?

The biggest problem with CF is that in the majority of cases the women are well worn, look over 30 and have by far seen better days. Very rarely do you find a fresh looking young student type. In fact, very rarely, as it has a bad reputation (even amongst many expats). Some girls have been there for years (literally).

There was a time many years ago that I were a regular there, and as a close friend of Marty (former Manager) and his girlfriend Liz I will say that after his "removal" the place really went downhill. I rarely go there now though.

For tourists, CF may provide a diversion, but for established expat Moscow residents (and I am firmly in that category) it's kinda sad that it primarily caters for overweight middle aged middle management professionals, has this reputation, as is avoided by the rest of us. Unfortunately rumors of its immenent demise were unfounded.

Other expat bars in Moscow are unsuitable for many reasons (Silvers too small and cliquey, Rosies just dead most of the time except for the regulars - another clique) - some "middling" expat bars like London Pub and the JB's can be good hunting ground, as can ABG and Hard Rock. I guess the Real Mc Coys gets an honorable mention... after all I banged a hot chick and her friend there a few weeks ago.

However, its unfortunate but true, with little or no Russian you will find it far far harder to score with a young freebie hottie, the day of the Western God has long gone. Tourists also tend to stick to NF, CF and maybe Tochkas. They miss out completely on the real action.

The real action is when you can speak good russian (I am almost fluent) and hit the russian clubs.... here your success rate will increase almost as to guarantee success. In the last three weeks I have taken home probably 10 hotties. And when I say hot I mean 8+ (anything less and I feel I am TOTALLY wasting my time). In fact not even the clubs.... even on the street its not so hard.... I got a hot chicks number on the way to lunch from my office yesterday just by walking straight up to her and asking for it. I am taking her out tomorrow (Fri).

Tourist coming to Moscow? Prepared to pay a lot of cash for middling action at best. There are FAR better places for you. If you really want to come - learn some basic russian (at least to read) - otherwise you'll be a duck outa water. Moscow is NOT cheap. You can make it cheap, but for many, living a US or equivalent lifestyle may not be easy.

I say its not cheap... and my salary is roughly twenty times above the average moscow. Sometimes I can't even understand how many people survive.

And about the exile... most of the reviews are inaccurate... and many good established clubs aren't even mentioned for some weird reason. The paper sucks anyhow. The Fakhie factor is definitely b*llsh*t.

PS. Excuse my poor english :)

OK... Here's how you do it... even if your phone doesn't do Russki.

First, you must figure out which of the three RU mobile services your friend is using. Then, you go to that website, which will either be MTS, Beeline or Megafon. Each website will allow you to send free SMS messages from the website. You usually must put in either your mobile number or your email address.

She will not be able to answer it, but most RU girls will be able to figure out how to send a response back to you in English or at least in the latin alphabet. Then, you have to get someone who can translate it for you.

Of course, if she can email you it is easier because you can use one of the several translation programs.

If you want to send her an email in RU then you must translate your message and then cut/paste into the mobile SMS site. I suggest translating your message both ways BEFORE you send it so you can get an idea of what you are trying to say. Otherwise the English words with multiple meanings will make you sound like a fool and could make your message totally cryptic.

Good luck.

let me know if you don't know how to figure out the mobile service your girl is using...

JQ,

Last month when I was in shanghai, I got hold of one electronic mobile device which automatically translates the chinese language into english and vice-versa, all you have to do is just speak up to the device and it will automatically translate english into chinese, and when some one speaks up in chinese(mandarin, cantonese whatever ...) it will translate into english loud and clear, just that simple !!, now no more holding up, learning language's or catching up with an online translator. It had russian version also, you can get more info at [url]http://www.ectaco.com/?refid=2155[/url]

Yet, on my last days, my online chat friend said that she will learn english in no time with the device, so i gifted her, hoping to get her more close, but, now when i try to contact her she is no more to be seen :(

The number she gave is her mobil and I assume it's in Rostov the # is 8 928... does that give anyone a clue about where it is or which service it is. CAT has an excellent suggestion if I can figure ou the service. I suppose I could just do all three if those are the services available. Thanks all for the continued help.

JQ

Boy nothing is easy in Russia. I just spent 30 min trying to find the websites for the mobile phone services on google. I can't even find those!

JQ,

Try this for searching for Russian related sites. Before there was english version of yandex, now you may have to translate it.

[url]http://www.yandex.ru/[/url]

Portnoy

I travel now to Central Asia. Local girls are not so attractive and of very strict behaviour, I was taken to the police station, because invitation for sex is considered almost a crime agains decent Tajik girl. Probably she expected, that I will make her marriage offer first.My partner in Dushanbe got me out of police for a small bribe. So I need an interpreter with additional sex responsibilities to travel with me. Requirements - non-smoker with big breasts and wide hips, not very silly. Payment - doble or triple in comparison with normal payment for an interpreter on business trip. In my turn, I can recommend you my Moscow interpreter (big breasts, wide hips, decent look, very fuckable). She provided me also very good, non-expensive sex services. She did everything, what I asked her to do. I need alike one to travel with me.

Stefano

Now that I'm back from Kiev and have Internet access...

[QUOTE=CA Traveler]109... Even though I must admit that $500 is a little rich for my blood, I will say that it's good info on Mr. XXX. I also must admit I have never heard anyone in Moscow even mention it. Maybe I missed it, but how much are the lapdances? 100 Rubles? If so it certainly sounds like a place to add to the must do list. How much is the entrance fee?[/QUOTE]

A buddy of mine went back there after I left and had a three-way with two French maids. Now I have to go back there and get one myself when I'm back next month.

I'm surprised myself Mister XXX doesn't get mentioned. It's a fine club, in a central Noby arbat location just a few feet away from Spearmint Rhino. It's a different kind of experience from your Shandra-type place brimming with girls: ordered, quiet and sensual. Girls are not pushy and generally very sweet. And you can certainly have fun there for under 500 bucks. On a slow night girls may be likely to decide to go home with you rather than sit around for four more hours and wait for customers who never come.


1[QUOTE=Bez Bezarra]Hey, please consider the consequences before you
go and recklessly throw your multi-benjamins
around in Kiev.

Its just a request, but it would really be best if you
didn't inadvertently Moskva-ize Ukraine into your
personal overpriced money-pit amusement park/playground.
Don't be offended, but you're kind of like the Michael Jackson
of mongerers![/QUOTE]

I know what you mean. Rest easy my friend, in Kiev I've had all freebie sex save for a single visit to RP on my last night there, after a date with a "not that kind of girl". Kiev is mostly a freebie destination anyway, at least to me. Girls walk around the streets hungrily eyeing the foreigners, while the pro action is horribly organized and rarely if ever delivers above average looking specimen.

My only regret about Kiev is that on that night in RP there were two twins there! Never seen that before anywhere, and God damn, I was ready to murder the fat balding gentleman who kept slobbering all over them the whole time I was there and finally took them home. Ahh. One thing I haven't had yet is a pair of twins. And chances like that probably don't come up that often.


And regarding my spending habits, I catch flak for that all the time here on this forum, but what can I do? I'm young, have the money up the wazoo, and have a horrible case of sexual addiction. Of course I know I could get action for much less or for free. Yeah, I could take two planes and three buses, and fuck a long legged 18 year old for $10 bucks in a Cambodian swamp. But I would enjoy neither the sex, nor the money I've saved.

I've realized lately that Im not even doing this for sex per se. I've transcended the point where each individual sex act has any meaning in by itself. Half the girls I had in my last two weeks Moscow and Kiev I wouldn't even recognize on the street if I saw them today. I don't remember their names, their faces or what we did. It's all a blur. It's not about the individuals, it's not about quality, and it's not even about quantity. It's the overall rush of throwing cash at the adoring masses, pointing my finger at any girl I like and having every inch of my body worshipped by small- to medium-sized groups of hot women.

In short, I'm fucked in the head and unfortunately have the means of supporting my addiction. Telling me to curb my spending is like telling a guy with a grand-a-day coke habit that he could save money by switchign to medical marijuana.

It's a Megaphone from the Caucasus region.

Here's her operator's SMS gateway:

[URL]http://www.megafonkavkaz.ru/sms[/URL]

Good luck

Wolfgang

[QUOTE=John Quakman]The number she gave is her mobil and I assume it's in Rostov the # is 8 928... does that give anyone a clue about where it is or which service it is. CAT has an excellent suggestion if I can figure ou the service. I suppose I could just do all three if those are the services available. Thanks all for the continued help.

JQ[/QUOTE]

Just in case anyone is trying to find the websites...

[url]www.mts.ru[/url]
[url]www.megafon.ru[/url]
[url]www.beeline.ru[/url]

Well, you've got plenty of company around here with sex addicts.

The difference is that the rest of us aren't hemorhaging cash out
of our asses, we might actually be working for a living. Don't
feel bad though, we can empathize with your delimma.

Nobody needs you to go all the way to Cambodia for $10 swamp
*****s, their short and squat anyway. If the dyev's sweetness or
the fuck-marathons aren't what gets you your jollies, then you sound
like your thing is like the strip club oligarchs who hold court over
the VIP rooms drinking bottle after bottle of Chrystal champagne
and directing dancer traffic up and down and around the runway
and the pole. You'd be the guy at the Victoria Secret panties
fashion show in the front row.

That's all good. Everybody's should do their own thing.
Maybe you could just remind the ladies that you throw
hundreds at they really aren't hot enough to deserve so
much, but you're just giving them more because you're
on a deranged power trip.

[QUOTE=Rogue Trooper]The real action is when you can speak good russian (I am almost fluent) and hit the russian clubs. Here your success rate will increase almost as to guarantee success. In the last three weeks I have taken home probably 10 hotties. And when I say hot I mean 8+ (anything less and I feel I am TOTALLY wasting my time). In fact not even the clubs, even on the street its not so hard.
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1. I believe you but here is what I do not understand. Why are these young freebies putting out if you speakl fluent Russian? It can't be because they expect to meet a Westerner and get a green card. It can't be because they think a Russian man who makes 40 a month has a lot of month. It can't be because they think everyone is an oligarch. Is it because of your looks? personality? confidence?

2. If that is the case, what makes Moscow so different from LA. I find it hard to believe that culturally, there are more horny sluts in Moscow than any other larger city.

3. Then if it is about your personality and self confidence, and if you are not a bond trader living in Moscow, why get a plane and get a piece in Moscow when you can get the same piece of ass in the US. The HIV rate is lower here, looks are better, better hygiene.

4. No I am not criticizing you. I welcome your report. I am trying to do a cost/benefit analysis and to undertsand what is it that makes these girls want to be a freebie.

Perhaps it is the culture of Russia. I remember from studying Russian literature that in the1900s peasant class structre, a father was entitled to fuck his son's wife. That shows up in Doestoevsky The Brothers Karamov (spelling?). If so, thats says a lot about why Eastern Europeans are still viewed as white trash.

[quote=bez bezarra]that's all good. everybody's should do their own thing.
maybe you could just remind the ladies that you throw hundreds at they really aren't hot enough to deserve so much, but you're just giving them more because you're on a deranged power trip.[/quote]your posts bez bezarra are even more egocentrac than one9, whose posts provide a lot of information on new places, information i appreciate.

i would add that i have never met anyone who is well off--even with earning six figures--to afford that kind of lifestyle. what happens is that when you are young, you blow all this cash not realizing that when you hit your 40s and 50s, you should have saved that cash and invested it because your ability to earn a living in a competitive world decreases. and even oligarchs have their own masters to answer to.

i have been to cambodia and seen the $10 *****s that many on the asian board visit. i almost threw up. after investigating the city thoroughly, i found $50 and $100 escorts that are very attractive that were frequented by the japanee and the chinese because westerners either did not know about it or lacked the confidence to venture.

statistically, in every group of 100 people, there will be 99 dogs and 1 hot chick. get on a commuter train in the suburb of virginia and you will see 99 middle age fat white chicks whose face you wouldn't wipe your ass with and 1 hot intern.

if you are fucking a $10 ***** in cambodia, you are probably not fucking a hot girl. you are probably scraping the bottom of the barrel. take a look at all the white guys in the us with asian wives. they always look like a chinese crack ***** from an amp. same with black guys and white chicks--the girls always look like white trash.

it is not about quantity. it is about quality. you can fuck 100 ukranian chicks, but if they are all dogs, well that's like me fucking 100 trailer trash bitches from kentucky and saying i fucked an all american.

no that doesn't count. that is why i hate it when people cover up the faces. a body part doesn't count if she needs a bag over her head. and if you are paying her $300 for 3 hours, which is nearly the same rate in the western world, then you are a fucking idiot for traveling halfway around the world to one of the most expensive and ripoff city in the world to fuck something at the same costs as what is available in your backyard.

it says somethingabout your self-confidence--that you lack confidence and are a pussy.

same with freebies. if you are picking up freebies halfway around the world that you can pick up at home, that says something about your lack of self confidence.

there has to be something that moscow or your destination offer that you cannot get at home.

[QUOTE=One O Nine]What can I do? I'm young, have the money up the wazoo, and have a horrible case of sexual addiction. Of course I know I could get action for much less or for free... It's the overall rush of throwing cash at the adoring masses, pointing my finger at any girl I like and having every inch of my body worshipped by small- to medium-sized groups of hot women... In short, I'm fucked in the head and unfortunately have the means of supporting my addiction. Telling me to curb my spending is like telling a guy with a grand-a-day coke habit that he could save money by switchign to medical marijuana.[/QUOTE]What can you do? Um! if you know you could get action for much less or free, why don't you? I think I know why. No-ones saying you should substitute medical Marijauna for coke. Um! I'm young, I have money and I like girls but I'm not gonna spend $500 on a girl that I know I can get up the road for $100. Why is it some big trip to spend $500 on a DVD player when you can get the same one down the road for $100. Doh! And why come on here and tell us 'all about it'. Jesus this is the Moscow message board, can't you Americans spare us your ego for half a second. If you have any relavent information, please share it, but really! Do you you think we wanna hear about your ranting ego. If you want to give money away why don't you just give it to the girls and just leave. I've done that before. It was worth the smile on her face. I always have the utmost respect for the girls at all times. I know you openly admit your on a power trip but a very famous person once said "The greatest show of power is in restraint".
Ponder first before ranting.

I finally found the other branch of Shandra, I will update soon.

Cheers

Between Guy#2 and Albertec's last posts I guess I can say I'm offended. Say all you want about one poster or the other but don't lump them together and attribute the focus of your rant to Americans in general. I don't belive in the ugly American anymore than I shrink from defending America from mouthy Europeans et al who take swipes at our national culture because it's cool in thier neighborhood to do so. Well this is our neighborhood and I am part of it. Keep your ill conceived opinions of this sort to yourself.

And then there's the comment about the white girls who are with Black guys? Trailer trash all? How about Heidi Klum?

Have you ever been to Kentucky? That's where Phyllis George is from.

Confine your remarks to the subject at hand and have some sense of the fact you are in an international venue and good manners are the least that can be expected.

Oh, God! Are we going to have to sit through yet another one of these you-arrogant-Americans-pay-too-much-for-sex discussions, with all of it's attendant, boring sub-plots.

This subject has been beaten to death all over the WSG.

Let's talk about something interesting, like how to meet women for sex.

Stravinsky

Guys guys,

We are here for one purpose, to share our experiences with the EE girls. We all like to make love with RUssian women.

Everybody has their own budgets. Once I spent $5000 at Shandra but next night I prefer to hang up with a $150 girl from CF.

I like the NF girls but most of the time their service is not that good as they look. I beleive that, the amount you're gone pay for a girl depends on her look, your mood and cost/benefit balance. Sometimes girls worth it sometimes not.

American or European who cares, we are here to f**k.

As an american I never new Americans are cultured. unless you consider micky mouse, Mcdonnalds, and hollywood culture. I think they are the least cultured people in the world.

I speak of the white bread americans that think the whole world owes them something. I also think that europeans and other antionalities have every right to complain about us. However I am not exactly sure this is the forum to discuss it.

If anyone wants to pay 5000 USD on a girl they are more then welcome. I once saw a Brazilian girl that had a website and charges this kind of fee. As for me I prefer not to pay these kind of pricesand I will never pay this money to any girl. Is it inflated? Sure it is, but I think you should be able to find other girls that will charge next to nothing in other parts of the country if you look for it

Its better to talk about sex with girls here