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Hobbyists,,,
I am visiting Iskenderun in a few days and would like to know if there is a scene there. Any Escorts? and costs.
In nearly every major city in the East of Turkey you will find places called "pavyon". These places are nightbars with live music sung by Turkish or Azeri chicks. My expirience with these places is pretty bad, there are usually only one or two chicks at these places and when one doesnt sing, you can invite her to your table and have a couple of "rakı" with her and hold her hand. That is usually all. For western income, these places are still very cheap, but beware !! You might become fooled by the owner with a huge bill if you dont speak Turkish.
Although I have been to İskenderun several times, I have never spent the night there for party. I am very sure there is also a ***** house "genelev", since it is a large city. Try it out, the taxi driver will bring you there, but do not expect to meet Claudia Schiffer in there.
In older days there was a hoocker-scene in a village called "Belen" about 5 km south of Iskenderun, but as far as I am concerned that has been closed down by the cops 3 years ago.
About 45 minutes north of İskenderun is a huge city called Adana. That is the "Bangkok" of Eastern Turkey and very famous for its scene. Since the American air base "İncirlik" is pretty close to Adana, there is some action.
If you ever make it to places like Iğdır or Kars in the very east of Turkey, that is the place to go. You will only find Russian chicks there for about 30 USD the night.
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You say it is 30usd a night for russian *****s in Kars and the other place. This seems very cheap and I am tempted to go there. Are there lots of them? Do you have any more info on these places. Many thanks
You can fly to Kars with THY daily from Istanbul or Ankara. Inside Kars there are several hotels that both accept hoockers in your room and have them sit at the bar after 20.00 hours. The place I stayed in was called "karabağ" or "karaba".
The real action is out of town in several villages around Kars. You ask a cab driver to take you to the "pavyon" around. This will be a 10 - 20 minutes drive. These places are organised like restaurants and have about 30 working girls. you call one to your table, drink a bit with her and then take her into a room attached to the complex where you can screw her all night. You can also book the room for your entire stay in Kars, like a hotel room.
Dont expect too much regarding the looks of the chicks, they average between 5 and 7.
Please note that my information is about a year old. It is possible that the hotels in town do not accept chicks anymore.
Culturewise, there is an ancient capital of the Armenian empire very close to Kars called "Ani". That is worth a visit ! In addition to that, you may want to visit Mount Ararat, about an hour drive from Kars.
Going to Bodrum from 22 mai till 5 june
it is near bodrum in fact (about 4 km)
what is the scene there
If you go to Bodrum and pay for sex there must be something terribly wrong man :-) Bodrum has tremendous night life, and more tourists than you want. Considering half of them would be young females your chances are pretty good. Of course they don't travel all the way to Turkey just for the sake of getting something hard into their gaps, but do they know why they're there when they're drunk? You can find thousands (I'm not exaggerating) of European girls (mostly British) in Bodrum and Gümbet, and you always stand a chance to lay them. It just depends on how "good" you are. I would recommend going there a bit later though. In the high season, you'd drown in teenage pussies in Bodrum :-))
Guys,
Be carrefull about the city Kars in Turkey. It's a very traditional town and people are extremely religious. Therefore, mostly people who work in hotels may create problems when you bring a hooker to your hotel. Once, they did not let me to go to my room with a hooker, they asked me about the "marriage certificate" with the hooker and the guy at the reception said "they did not allow anybody to go to upstair unless they are married!
Does anyonme have advice about Adana and Antalya? I will be there soon and will gladly report on my experiences for the benefit of all. Check my posts on Mexicali to see how good my reports are.
Rio Cafe, Used to know the scene in Antalya very well. There are plenty of girls there. There are a number of hotels where they congregate, but I forget the names. Particularly at the lara side of the town, a beach to the east, theres a tall ugly modern hotel there which has discos and where it used to be heaving. Also some smaller hotels in that area. Also sometimes some street girls near the Sheraton on the beach road. Look around, ask in the smaller hotels. The Ring hotel is well known. If you ask there someone will direct you.
There are lots of opportunity, though generally they are East European girls. Turkish are possible but more difficult. You need to be in the know. The best club I ever knew was in Antalya. It was closed by police. Turkish atmosphere, drinks (raki) basic food, good live Turkish music and singing, by my friend Mehmet (of Adana), a few lovely girls. It was really special, but all gone now..c"est la vie!.
Adana is not so good, unless you have the inside track, but there is a big club place out by the US airforce base but relatively expensive, be careful. Antalya is where I fell in love and got my girl back to RO. Still with her and my original partner also from East Europe, Hungary), but I love it.
Turks are good and friendly people. Still watch out sometimes.
Good luck
I'd love to know more about Antalya !
I thought about it during this summer. I liked the idea of a beach holiday lazying about for a week with different girl on my arm each day and night !!
Often flights to Antalya from the UK are cheaper than flights to Istanbul, so it is very tempting.
If anyone has detailed info on Antalya (or other beach resorts) please post....!!!
Antalya Day 1
I love travelling in Turkey. Where else can you drink like a fish, eat like a pig, smoke like a dragon, travel like a wilbury and of course fuck like a rabbit for bargain basement prices.
My most recent trip I travelled from Antalya to Istanbul, both cities of which I sampled what was on menu so I've submitted a report into the Istanbul section as well.
Antalya is a sprawling city with 2 beach touristy sections which flank the city core or Centrum as its known locally. This Centrum contains a nice wharf area, the Antaly Museum ( very interesting), Kaleici district etc . . . The 2 beach areas are Lara beach which is about 12 km's southeast of the Centrum and the Konyaati area which is 3-4 km's west of the Centrum.
Lara beach is tightly packed with hotels, pensions, restaurants and other tourist amenities. It also houses 2 discos relevant to the topic at hand. I can't remember the exact names but one is attached to the Ofa Otel and the other is attached to the Olivia Otel which is right next to the Sera Otel. All the way to Lara from the Centrum you will see signs to the Sera Hotel, so if you find Sera, you'll find the Olivia. I believe that the disco under to Olivia is called the Cherry Club or something like that.
This Olivia disco is the one which I experienced. Never been to a club like this before as my hobby has thus far been confined to the massage parlours of London. I suspect the Cherry Club is not unlike the Bacardi in Istanbul. Basically it has a small dance floor, where the lassies get up and strut their stuff, surrounded by tables and booths. It costs a tenner to get in and six milyon for a glass of the skankiest beer I've tasted. Efes Pilsen is normally a decent pilsener but the Efes you get there is a lot like pond water, but I digress. The Natasha's there range from 4's to 9's with the weight definitely on the higher side of the scale. Some of the women there were absolutely stunning. Never been to a place like this so didn't know how to go about doing business. Was I supposed to rely on the waiters to broker the deal, was I supposed to buy drinks for the lady's, could I approach? No one was making eye contact with me. I am young and look younger. All the guys in there all looked 35+ and likely outgunned me in the funds department. I also am not the suavest of dressers so maybe that is why. But when it comes to mongering I do pay. Hell I'm used to paying 60 squid for a half hour session in London. I could definitely dig deep down for a 100 or 150 US for a 3 hour session with a goddess. Anyway all these questions remain unanswered because some lady scooted up beside me and basically told me that 1. 'I love you', and 2. 'how much pay you?'. She was definitely on the lower end of the scale in looks. A bit heavy, too much makeup etc.
Anyway we settled on 30US because I just wanted some action as I was tired, horny and felt pathetic as I felt like I was striking out in a wh*rehouse. Won't go into detail but even though it was the least I've ever paid for sex (except for with my girlfriends, one nighters etc . . .) it wasn't worth it at all.
Once we got back my room, sorted out the payment and we began to get ready for the deed. As she undressed, she drops her girdle and out pops a paunch that would shame St. Nick. Except she wasn't the one going 'Ho Ho Ho'. Christ I wanted a refund, I really didn't want to touch her with my 10 foot pole. I am too polite so on goes the mack, closed my eyes, pumped a few times and told her I was done.
Experiences like this can turn a guy of the mongering scene altogether
We did chat a bit afterwords so it wasn't a complete write off. She was a nice lady and spoke passable english. She was Romanian and said she got conned into coming to Antalya with the promise of a job in tourism. Instead she got a job doing tourists, I guess. Like many of the Natasha's they hate both Turkey and the job but I guess cannot turn down the quick cash. She said that she was off to Istanbul in a few days and if I needed a place to stay I could call her and stay with her in Aksaray.
We said our goodbye's, wished each other a happy new year she left and I went to bed a very unsatisfied and sexually frustrated man.
day 2 antalya part 1
in antalya, like istanbul, you have to watch yourself. it can be dangerous but even in the dodgiest of clubs you may be able to get out of there relatively unrep001hed if you follow simple precautions and use common sense.
gentlemen i am talking from experience. this is tantamount to escaping the devil's clutch from the depths of hell. well maybe not that dramatic but if you are not comfortable with the place, simply walk. life is too short and antalya has alot to offer so you are really not passing anything up even if its legit.
the experience to which this refers is my stroll into the club x nightclub. the club sits in a basement on anafartalar caddesi and is full of overfriendly staff, single women and lonely men. i think that there is a club x disco in antalya so don't get confused. this club x nightclub sits about a block south and across the street from the ring otel.
'where are you from? can i get you a drink, sir?'.
'canada but live in london, an efes will be fine. how much will that be?'.
'5'.
'fine'.
next thing i know this turkish gal comes and sits next to me. doesn't speak a lick of english except to tell me that she loves me. i would rate her a 6.5 - 7 out of 10. prettyish but could lose a few pounds.
now, fellow punters, it is well documented in this forum that
1. fortunately in turkey, beautiful local women are aplenty;
2. unfortunately they are a scarcity for punters.
i've never banged a turkey and the novelty of doing so kept my ass firmly planted in the seat.
of course the next question is whether or not i'd like to buy the lady a drink? 'yes, of course, whatever she likes'. another beer is ordered. a bit of pidgeon english, playing charades and writing shit on the napkin to communicate to break the ice. when the beer comes i insist on settling. i don't want to run a tab in this place as my guard is definitely up from the horror stories documented in the taksim clubs of istanbul. they wanted to run the tab of course. i insisted on settling and you should too as they will more than likely be inclined to add stuff onto the bill which you didn't agree to purchase. drinks for the ladies are twice that of the men. so the bill was 15 milyon. fine. ok. i know that these places exist on being able to segment their markets. people willing to punt are often ok with paying a bit more money to the bar to ensure that the bar remains friendly to the courting activities the next time that carnal urge arises. the bar knows it and i respect that.
another lady is shuffled to the table. she wasn't very nice. i'd give her a 5/10. she was to act as a translator. didn't speak any english either just german. another round? 'ya sure'. 3 more drinks come. the waiter suggests i should take both of them. not really interested about the prospect but curious about what it would cost. he didn't know, i'd have to sort it with them. not that interested so i said i was really only interested in the first one. now remember this boys and girls. everytime a drink came, the waiter would put a bracelet on the girl's wrist. that should have been the tipoff that this place was a ripoff. having asked what these bracelets were for, at the end of the night the ladies produce them to the bar and get money back. that is their job. they work for the bar and it is the bar's business to sell suckers like me and you drinks, not to have there customers go off and shag their employees never to be seen again that night.
anyway i was trying desperately to get some kind of discussion about price which the turkey would seemingly keep evading. 'cash para? how much?', i asked on several occaisions. she just gestured that i should make an offer because i was so handsome.
i offered 50 milyon tl which she accepted.
now the waiter brings this weird looking salad thing to the table. complete with a bowl of carrots oranges and shit hanging off the side. i almost started laughing the thing was so ridiculous. i declined it saying i did not want it. he kind of looked at me and gestured that it was ok. i was now finally getting the picture. again i told him i did not order this, you can take it back, a little more sternly this time. he continued to gesture that it was ok, and proceeded to light the candle. i leaned forward in my seat and stamped the candle out with my fingers and told him to take it away, alot more aggressively this time. this thing would have costed a fortune i'm sure. he then backed off. i sat back in the seat. the turkey said that the salad sure looked good. i told her that she was too fat. i guess she didn't understand. please don't get the impression that i don't respect either prostitutes or women. i most certaintly do, i just get really really get pissed at dishonesty whether or not its the ringleader or a participant.
now throughout the entire time of talking, she's kissing me on the lips, putting my hand on her tits, rubbing mr. johnson. so i'm like, ok baby, lets go. then she tells me she can't leave until 2. ok well it may have taken me a while to clue in but the scam is definitely apparent now. i get up, wave her bye bye. the waiter comes up and beckons me to stay, i ignore him. he then wants to shake my hand. i was pretty close to taking him down but then figured that would be pretty silly given it was my stupidity that got me into this situation and i was seriously outnumbered. anyway i didn't lose too much. probably spent around 50, a cheap lesson but one that i won't look back at fondly.
so the moral of the story??
1. if you aren't comfortable, walk immediately.
2. if the girl isn't willing to walk with you within the first 5 minutes after you agree to terms, you walk from her.
3. any indication that she is working for the bar (i.e. bracelets), you guessed it, walk away.
4. insist on paying for drinks as they come. don't run a tab. how can you prove that you only had
one drink not 3, and they only had 2 drinks, not 5?
5. definitely don't pay for anything you didn't order. any champagne or silly looking salads etc . . , decline immediately. if they insist don't be afraid to get tough. they don't want trouble, at least in the lounge in front of the other suckers.
Antalya Day 2 part 2.
My first post, I espoused how much I loved Turkey then went on to two events which I wish I could take back. Seems a bit contradictory but things definitely improved on Day 2.
I left Club X at about 11 pm and considered retiring for the night. Mr. Johnson was telling me to give it another shot. But where to go was the question. You can seldom go wrong with the taxis as they intimately know every nook and cranny of the city which they serve. There have been a few reports saying how they've been ripped off by taxis both here and on the lonely planet website, but really I've never had a problem with taxis, or really anyone in Turkey except for the Club which I just exited.
Walking back towards my hotel in Kaleici, I stopped at a taxi stand and asked the hack if he knew where there were any Natashas. His english was non existent but the word 'Natasha' breaks all language barriers. I told him I didn't want to go to Lara beach as it was way too far.
Off hand he didn't know, luckily parked behind him was an old timer who also spoke english and we began to chat. I asked him about the Genelevs (they are pronounced with a hard 'G' so it sounds like 'Kenelev') and he said that they closed at 12 and that they are really only good for a short bang. He told the other taxi driver to take me to some place in Konyaalti. Excellent.
So we jumped in the cab and less than 10 minutes later we were in the Konyaalti area. He seemed unsure of where to go from there so he pulled up to another cab and began chatting. The cabbie directed further up the paved road and then off into an unpaved road. The cabbie seemed very young, honest, sincere etc . . . so I wasn't nervous. But if he was a little more rugged, I would have been more reluctant in going with him because there would have been no better place to torture and kill me, then take all of my money. But this was not to be the case.
Anyway we pull up to this Pensyion in the middle of nowhere, he runs inside and 2 minutes later says that I'm good to go. I thanked him, gave him 15 milyon for the 12 milyon cab ride and the priceles information and off he went.
I went inside and was greeted by the Manager. Chatted a bit and told him I was looking for my long lost girlfriend. Her name was Natasha. He laughed. He got one of his lackies to take me upstairs into a foyer area where he proceeded to knock on all of the surrounding doors. Out comes about 8 different ladies ranging from 5 to 8 in looks. Asked me which one I liked. Decision was tough. I aked how much and how long, 80 milyon tl until 1 AM ( about an hour and a half). Not a bad deal considering the London rate is 60 squid (150 milyon_ for 30 minutes). I probably could have negotiated further but really who cares if I saved 20 milyon. It is peanuts in the grand scheme of things.
They were all Eastern European. I think mostly from Moldova. I didn't even know what a Moldova was until I got there. I picked the one who seemed the most aloof as I thought she may have been shy. I like the experience of being with shy girls especially after they warm up, as it adds to the whole experience for me.
She was quite pretty. Probably rater her a 7.5 to an 8 but a little heavy which I didn't notice until she dropped the laundry. It was those goddamn black pants again. It can be hard to tell what they are packing under there. Anyway no matter. She wasn't a whale or anything just could have stood to lose a 10 pounds or so. Can't remember her name as it was completely foreign to my ears. Suppose it doesn't matter much.
Started off with giving her a bit of a massage which she seemed to enjoy. Got her to roll over and began to rub and suck on her teats slowly making my way to the holy land, first with my hands and then my mouth. Her moans became louder as I proceeded. I really don't think she was faking it and genuinely seemed to like it. She was a bit of a cold fish and there was no incentive for her to act. After about 10 minutes she began to shudder, curled her body as if she was sitting up and pushed my hands away. Success is good. She just laid there with her forearm over her eyes panting. I thought it was pretty funny and just continued teasing her.
I thought that she was going to reciprocate but instead she went for the rubberinsky, slid it on and beckoned me to mount her which I gladly accepted. Now I like alot of variety during sex. Different positions, different tempos, partners both participating in the thrusting. She just kind of laid there and let me do whatever I wanted to her as long as it was mish. She didn't want to roll into the spoon position, doggie or anything else. She did buck her hips though to help with the action and was genuinely enjoying it though as her fuck face is still ingrained in my memory almost a week after the deed. So all in all it was a good shag that could have been really good is she wasn't a lazy lover. She didn't hurry me up, and for the most part let me have full reign over her.
Hindsight being 20/20 I would have picked another girl. There were a few pretty ones that seemed more interested in interacting with me and having fun. I suppose I had mistaken her aloofness for shyness.
Anyway knowing that I had one more day in Antalya to explore this little goldmine had left me with a warm and fuzzy feeling that this journey could still be a memorable one.
So I as I walked back towards the main road I just took survey of the surrounding area and noticed that there were more pansyions similar to the one I just departed. Interesting I thought.
Anyway if you are in Antalya and want to check out this area, the name of the Pansyion is called the Hisar Pansyon. A cabbie would have no clue where it is so you get dropped off at the Yuzme Havuzu Karsisi by Konyaalti Plaji. Find the Ickan or Eckan hotel and walk up that road, over another dirt road to the solitary building lying on the other side.
Cupid Stunt
You had some adventures in Antalya, shame things weren't better for you.
I am hoping to check out Antalya or another beach resort next summer.
Your posting was good because it helps to build up a bit of the geography of the area in my minds eye!
Did you do the first girl in your hotel room ? Which hotel did you stay at ? The Dedeman Resort looks quite swanky... I am considering that as a potential venue.
I too am young but look younger, which unfortunately girls, taxi drivers and waiters often equate to inexperience and easy foreign prey.
For some reason I had imagined the scene down there to be much better and linked to the beach and beach bars (during the summer of course, I assume the weather is pretty cold down there now, with only snowmen on the beach !).
Does anybody have experience of the scene during the summer ?