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I am new, planing to go to moscow.
What is Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night?
Any website for those girls?
What do they provide?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]That link puts you on the St.Pete pros. The prices are $. Prices seem a bit higher than average though.
St.Pete should be:
Magrib/Tribunal: $150-$200
Stripper: $400-600 (includes “bar fine” etc.)
Salons: $50-80/hour (take out slightly more, often restricted “options” like no DFK, BBBJ etc.)
Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night
Internet pro sites (takeout): $200/2 hours or $250+/night
You can switch to Moscow by clicking on:
[url]http://www.putana.nu/ancets.php[/url]
Prices vary wildly as you see. Don't trust the pictures. The girls are often really quite beautiful, but the pics are photoshopped and only "approximations".[/QUOTE]
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Advice
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]I did warn you that just buying drinks won’t get you laid[/QUOTE]
And I heeded the warning. I possibly went to the other extreme and didn't buy drinks for girls at all. All the spending I did in the clubs was on drinks for myself and Raphael.
I'd generally buy a drink after 10 minutes of talking to a girl if she's being warm and friendly and if she doesn't suggest something stupid like getting a table. That's the rule I apply everywhere in Eastern Europe. In poorer places, opening with the line "Do you like champagne?" can and sometimes has worked wonders, but it's WAY too expensive to try this in Moscow. (But DO try it in Kiev - it's a great way to break the ice with a group of girls and will cost you all of $12 :))
If you meet a girl in a bar or club, she is a) on display, and b) aware that she's in a place where money can be lavished on her.
If you meet her in a public place, she'll be off-guard and you'll actually have to take her to a different location before it's even possible to spend money. Therein lies your advantage.
BTW is it really necessary to leave the centre of Moscow for freebies? The centre itself is huge, and I was always under the impression that anyone living in the suburbs was desperate to get the hell out and hang in the centre. True / not true?
And - if I were to leave the centre - where should I go?
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[QUOTE=Tiger1974]I am new, planing to go to moscow.
What is Internet “sponsorship”: $150+/night?
Any website for those girls?
What do they provide?[/QUOTE]
You are planning to go to Moscow and then refer to my post about St.Petersburg? That's a bad start.
Sponsorship has been discussed again and again on this board and you are still asking what it is?
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[QUOTE=Ash1001]And I heeded the warning. I possibly went to the other extreme and didn't buy drinks for girls at all. All the spending I did in the clubs was on drinks for myself and Raphael.
I'd generally buy a drink after 10 minutes of talking to a girl if she's being warm and friendly and if she doesn't suggest something stupid like getting a table. That's the rule I apply everywhere in Eastern Europe. In poorer places, opening with the line "Do you like champagne?" can and sometimes has worked wonders, but it's WAY too expensive to try this in Moscow. (But DO try it in Kiev - it's a great way to break the ice with a group of girls and will cost you all of $12 :))
If you meet a girl in a bar or club, she is a) on display, and b) aware that she's in a place where money can be lavished on her.
If you meet her in a public place, she'll be off-guard and you'll actually have to take her to a different location before it's even possible to spend money. Therein lies your advantage.
BTW is it really necessary to leave the centre of Moscow for freebies? The centre itself is huge, and I was always under the impression that anyone living in the suburbs was desperate to get the hell out and hang in the centre. True / not true?
And - if I were to leave the centre - where should I go?[/QUOTE]
I think my last post was a bit lacking in explanation, sorry.
First of all I agree with you totally that buying drinks can be appropriate, fun and effective... under the right circumstances. In Moscow glam clubs it can also work, but isn't necessarily the major impulse into getting her naked as it might be in the boondocks... and Kiev is still the boondocks compared to Moscow. Kiev is changing too though as they try to copy Moscow style. Many of the changes aren't positive.
By saying leave the center, I mean do it to get an idea of where these girls live and how they live. The contrasts are huge. From super rich secure country estates to nameless block-shaped highrises outside of town with entryways and elevators that smell of cold ash, stale beer, cat food and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url]. That's a nasty stench.
True that many come to the center or at least to Manezhnaya Ploshad and Pushkinskaya Ploshad. But many stay on the Garden Ring, where there are also a lot of big popular clubs, or on Leninsky. Some stay in the suburbs and country almost all the time.
Still, you really don't need to leave the center, that's true.
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Ponyal :)
Right, got your meaning. Thanks for that Skank.
Can you recommend any of these 'outside the centre' clubs? Basically where your drinks budget will go a *lot* further in impressing the dyevs? :)
I've been looking for the equivalent in Kiev and was told Hidropark is where the 'real' Ukainians go. And also that it's very dangerous for foreigners! Not sure how much of an exaggeration this may be.
I thought Parizhskaya Zhizn was quite homely looking - but then again, it was in the centre, and the guys there had plenty of money.
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[QUOTE=Ash1001]Right, got your meaning. Thanks for that Skank.
Can you recommend any of these 'outside the centre' clubs? Basically where your drinks budget will go a *lot* further in impressing the dyevs? :)
I've been looking for the equivalent in Kiev and was told Hidropark is where the 'real' Ukainians go. And also that it's very dangerous for foreigners! Not sure how much of an exaggeration this may be.
I thought Parizhskaya Zhizn was quite homely looking - but then again, it was in the centre, and the guys there had plenty of money.[/QUOTE]
Any club really. Places I've enjoyed are Slava (big club, mid-level prices, wildy varied clientele, Shosse Entusiastov), Neo (mid-sized techno club on Warshawskoe Schosse) and Lionheart (mid-sized club on Leninsky).
Just the same, very enjoyable are also some centrally located clubs with average prices:
Fabrique-you've been there, its a good place.
Karma Bar. m.Kuznetsky Most- basically an expat disco, sometimes very nice student-aged women though.
Che-I personally don't like this place because I hate the idiotic Che Guevara cult, but it is a good place to score 25-30 year old secretaries etc... especially if you can dance a bit.
Voodoo Club- near Belorussky Voksal and Krasnaya Presnaya: smallish club- either great or horrible. If its full, great. If its half-full or empty, leave immediately and go somewhere else. When its been full, getting girls drunk and/or dancing always worked wonders for me.
Other central clubs:
Some people swear by Dirty Dancing, which is also near Belorussky Voksal, but I hate that place.
Also hate Hippopotam.
Haven't been happy with 16 tonnes lately either.
B2 can be good.
I have gotten laid at Parizhskaya Zhizn very often. It is a pretty easy place to score actually, but I prefer it in the week. On the weekends its too crowded. In the week you can maneuver, drink with girls, get them drunk and fuck them. Quality of girl is average, 5-7, but it is a collecting point for wayward souls... lots of secretaries or other low-wage earning girls out on their mid-week night off, some country girls on their first weeks in Moscow looking for new "friends", some expats, occasionally a working girl or two sitting at the bar smoking and nursing a single drink, sometimes the CSKA basketball team turns up there, often on Monday or Tuesday night. They usually make for a fun atmosphere getting silly drunk.
Krisis Zhanra plays great music on the weekends, Britpop and Indie. Boy/girl ratio sucks and there are lots of foreigners there, but I did bang the cute skinny chick with the straight blonde hair that's there nearly every weekend. She asked me to dance to "Hey jude", we did and I told her "let's go" and we went for coats. Still, not a great place to score if you ask me, just for drinks and laughs.
Garazh is a cellar club that's cramped and smoky, but a good teen crowd gathers there. I find it almost impossible to score there though... I almost always leave there soon... and empty handed.
It's not always possible to say which clubs will be good... sometimes I hate 2 or even 3 before settling on one. Best to choose a club before 2 am thouogh.. as we know, crunch time is usually between 0200-0330. Your chances of establishing new contact decrease rapidly after 0330 and then you are left bottom-feeding. That's a good time to go to Chesterfields/Boarhouse or NF.
Of the glam clubs I prefer Dagielev and Gazgolder, but also heard that Opera was good.
There are tons of other clubs and dozens I've never even been to, so I think rating the clubs is pretty subjective. The price level variance is pretty extreme, with glam clubs or cocktail bars (the new thing) considerably more expensive and then a large drop to the second tier and third tier clubs. Expat clubs are usually on the expensive side. Student clubs obviously cheaper.
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Prices
Genrally speaking I completely agree with Doc and Ash on the price scene. Of course thy are starting prices upwards I even sow Internet girls (for Russians) at 800 USD/night :(
On sponsorship: of course it's different with long and short (I mean weekend based, mostly for sex, and monthly based...).
Some girls sponosored I know are fucked nearly every evening, some times with two or other theee girls usually nice blonde Russian teens!
Why am not in the Russian gaz business? :(
By the way some economic suggestion is to try hotels and flats far from the center, but near metro stations, and then use the metro, qwicker than a taxi, sometimes even in the evening.
Usually I stay at Izmailovo (business suites with the price of a studio in centrum), but now for a fair they rised the prices... I'll see what's happening if future and otherwise switch over to apartments...
IT
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Thx, but do you know any place to dance latino ( salsa, merengue, etc)?
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Any club really. Places I've enjoyed are Slava (big club, mid-level prices, wildy varied clientele, Shosse Entusiastov), Neo (mid-sized techno club on Warshawskoe Schosse) and Lionheart (mid-sized club on Leninsky).
Just the same, very enjoyable are also some centrally located clubs with average prices:
Fabrique-you've been there, its a good place.
Karma Bar. m.Kuznetsky Most- basically an expat disco, sometimes very nice student-aged women though.
Che-I personally don't like this place because I hate the idiotic Che Guevara cult, but it is a good place to score 25-30 year old secretaries etc... especially if you can dance a bit.
Voodoo Club- near Belorussky Voksal and Krasnaya Presnaya: smallish club- either great or horrible. If its full, great. If its half-full or empty, leave immediately and go somewhere else. When its been full, getting girls drunk and/or dancing always worked wonders for me.
Other central clubs:
Some people swear by Dirty Dancing, which is also near Belorussky Voksal, but I hate that place.
Also hate Hippopotam.
Haven't been happy with 16 tonnes lately either.
B2 can be good.
I have gotten laid at Parizhskaya Zhizn very often. It is a pretty easy place to score actually, but I prefer it in the week. On the weekends its too crowded. In the week you can maneuver, drink with girls, get them drunk and fuck them. Quality of girl is average, 5-7, but it is a collecting point for wayward souls... lots of secretaries or other low-wage earning girls out on their mid-week night off, some country girls on their first weeks in Moscow looking for new "friends", some expats, occasionally a working girl or two sitting at the bar smoking and nursing a single drink, sometimes the CSKA basketball team turns up there, often on Monday or Tuesday night. They usually make for a fun atmosphere getting silly drunk.
Krisis Zhanra plays great music on the weekends, Britpop and Indie. Boy/girl ratio sucks and there are lots of foreigners there, but I did bang the cute skinny chick with the straight blonde hair that's there nearly every weekend. She asked me to dance to "Hey jude", we did and I told her "let's go" and we went for coats. Still, not a great place to score if you ask me, just for drinks and laughs.
Garazh is a cellar club that's cramped and smoky, but a good teen crowd gathers there. I find it almost impossible to score there though... I almost always leave there soon... and empty handed.
It's not always possible to say which clubs will be good... sometimes I hate 2 or even 3 before settling on one. Best to choose a club before 2 am thouogh.. as we know, crunch time is usually between 0200-0330. Your chances of establishing new contact decrease rapidly after 0330 and then you are left bottom-feeding. That's a good time to go to Chesterfields/Boarhouse or NF.
Of the glam clubs I prefer Dagielev and Gazgolder, but also heard that Opera was good.
There are tons of other clubs and dozens I've never even been to, so I think rating the clubs is pretty subjective. The price level variance is pretty extreme, with glam clubs or cocktail bars (the new thing) considerably more expensive and then a large drop to the second tier and third tier clubs. Expat clubs are usually on the expensive side. Student clubs obviously cheaper.[/QUOTE]
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Doc Scank!
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Any club really. Places I've enjoyed are Slava (big club, mid-level prices, wildy varied clientele, Shosse Entusiastov)[/QUOTE]For your information Doc, Slava closed at November 22, 2006 and will not re-open as a night club any more. So, no reason to recommend this place to another users. ;) Please be updated.
[QUOTE=Doctor_Skank]Of the glam clubs I prefer Dagielev and Gazgolder, but also heard that Opera was good.[/QUOTE]Good choise. But you forget about RAЙ (Elysium) opened in February. This club much better than Dagielev and Opera, IMHO.
Kind regards,
Msgnt
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Place to dance latino
[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Thx, but do you know any place to dance latino ( salsa, merengue, etc)?[/QUOTE]As Doc Skank said - Karma Bar. (m.Kuznetsky Most) are specialized in salsa dancing party!
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[QUOTE=Master Sergeant]For your information Doc, Slava closed at November 22, 2006 and will not re-open as a night club any more. So, no reason to recommend this place to another users. ;) Please be updated.
Good choise. But you forget about RAЙ (Elysium) opened in February. This club much better than Dagielev and Opera, IMHO.
Kind regards,
Msgnt[/QUOTE]
Thanks for info! Haven't been to Slava in ages obviously. It's pretty typical for Moscow... clubs open and close with regularity. Sorry to see Slava go though, it was an institution... even if it was too far out of town for my taste.
A good reference for all: [url]www.afisha.ru[/url]
Check it out for up to date club info. As Msgt just pointed out to me, it's nearly impossible to follow all the major clubs in Moscow, things change fairly rapidly.
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[QUOTE=Toptraveler1]Thx, but do you know any place to dance latino ( salsa, merengue, etc)?[/QUOTE]
Che, Papa Johns, Old Havana, Karma Bar.... but check the night. Many clubs have a "Latin Night", usually a Wednesday or Thursday. Only Cuban or Spanish clubs offer salsa every night. Karma has a separate salsa section even on weekends, but I've never felt it was very good or very popular. On "dedicated" salsa or latin nights, usually a good crowd of cute students shows up though.
A good reference for all: [url]www.afisha.ru[/url]
Check it out for up to date club info. As Msgt just pointed out to me, it's nearly impossible to follow all the major clubs in Moscow, things change fairly rapidly.
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Izmailovo Rules
Answer here on ground of PM requests.
You can get guests to your rooms (no matter on number or sex and no correlation to the room type) up to 23.00, but they have to be registered at one of the elevator desks, they simply take name and room number and Passport datas (of the guest).
In my opinion a good policy perhaps a little imbasrassing when you are with a teen which could be your grand child: but nobody cares and everybody know what you will do to her in the room!
The procedure is useful on ground it’s protecting (at least partially) from theft and so. Around 23.00 the bell men will go to the room they know there are guests and say that she or they have to go: there is a fixed tariff 1.000 RUR per pussy! Just give the bell man and he will disappear.
If you get inside after 23.00 go with nonchalance to the right elevator block, show your card and discreetly handle over 1.000 RUR per girl to the bell man! Nothing will happen and he will let you through.
If you want to avoid this practice do as I do. I have always one of my favourite girls when making the check in and so on ground the room is booked for two (the difference is usually 8 USD for breakfast) I get two cards and I can come and go with my girlfriend as I like. Of course you have to trust her (but I know her and her sister since ¾ years and have copies of the passport of both, they gave me soo…) When I’m not nailing them I nail others I know I use the second card I get, if I feel something wrong I get the girl registered.
I Think it’s all.
PS Mind that this is only valid fot Izmailovo Gamma and Delta, I’ve heard despite they have a night club, that Alpha is less girlfriendly, don’t know on Vega and Beta.
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Good friendly hotel
A good hotel and friendly is the BUDAPEST hotel, closed from the Kremlin and Tverskaya, 30 seconds from Marriott and one of the cheapest "good level" hotel in Moscow. Only thing the breakfast is not good and no restaurant but you can always have your breakfast at cafe "vogue" which is 2 minutes by walk.
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Izmailovo
It,
Thanks for your always useful information.
I use the same practice as you, only I usually check in alone, otherwise I am worried that the girls name will appear on the bill, which is not so nice, when the company is paying your bills !! ( dont they put her name on the bill if you check in together ? )
Because of this I check in alone, in a double room, and later I just have the girl checked in seperatly, it cost you 1 ruble !
The problems only start if the girl is without documents, then you have to pay 1.000 rubles for security as you say, but sometimes you can be lucky in Delta, one of the security gues there only ask for 500.
I dont know about Alfa and Beta, but in Vega it is exactly the same practice.
By the way, have you experienced problems with the police patroling in the hotel complex ? I've had a "meeting" with them a couple of times with a girl without passport, it costs 1.000 - 2.000 rubles, and then you have to pay in the hotel afterwards, so it all ads up.
Also I have tried to be stopped by police a couple of times just after leaving the tochka, according to the "mama' she pays them to run her business, but still they try to get money from the clients as well, are we dealing with corrupt "militsia" or what ?? The cost is the same as the police in the hotel, but still I prefer to pay a little cash, rather than having a closer encounter with the russian police. But anyway they will not harm you, if you refuse to pay, all they will do is to take the girl to the policestation, and keep her there for 3 hours, after this she will be back in business again !