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I have a question and do no know where to post-it.
What language do they speak in Germany and is it true they only drink bear there and eat bratwurst?
Is it also true Germans have no sense of humor?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7NfCFg59os&feature=fvwrel
Thanks for serious replys.
Kind regards,
Big30
[font=tahoma]I see you also liked the Chat Area idea [b]Big30[/b]!
I think the Germans speak only Dutch and yes they only eat Bratwurst and only drink beer!
They must have a sense of humour because they allow all us foreigners to visit their FKK and Sauna Clubs!
[b]CD[/b] :D[/font]
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1253480][font=tahoma]
I think the Germans speak only Dutch and yes they only eat Bratwurst and only drink beer!
[b]CD[/b]. [/font][/QUOTE]Thanks a lot! I start now preparing myself for my visit tomorrow to Germany (to LR Kaarst actually and that is no joke!)
B30
[b]@CD: yes indeed I think it is a good idee to have an off-topic chat area![/b]
[QUOTE=Big30; 1253479]I have a question and do no know where to post-it.
What language do they speak in Germany?[/QUOTE]Romanian of cause.
[font=tahoma]Good luck with this trip [b]Big30[/b].
Happy hooker hunting :D
I return very soon to FKK-Land myself!
Cheers
[b]CD[/b] :)
[i]PS. This Chat Area is a good idea! I like it! [/i]
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Great idea for a lounge. I feel I can just relax here be myself a little more and try to show a bit more of my real persona. Mohab who is off to frankfurt and acapulco again from england in just over 3 weeks. Thanks for all the logistical info over the months which has
Enabled me to enter a place for 12 hours at a time and surround myself with naked hunnies. As for the questions all is covered for now so I can't think of anything else to ask! LOL for now at least! LOL
Thank you for starting this. Good idea.
Moving the topic from the general thread.
I have a question for the pros here. If you are from North america and if you have two mongering weeks to spend any where in Europe, where would you go for mongering. My instinct is one week doing FKKs but I am not sure about the other week. LilJoey would say Kiev. But that would be during the Euro 2012 so I am not sure. What would you guys do?
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1253483]Romanian of cause.[/QUOTE]"In club da, eu cred ai dreptate" (note: no google translate translation used.)!
You would be surprised how many Icebears can speak some very basic Romanian, more than the standard standard phrase "ce faci?"
Although in [i]some[/i] Clubs esspecially in NRW Turkish is getting more and more the language you hear most, but that relates more to the guests!
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1253549]Thank you for starting this. Good idea.
Moving the topic from the general thread.
I have a question for the pros here. If you are from North america and if you have two mongering weeks to spend any where in Europe, where would you go for mongering. My instinct is one week doing FKKs but I am not sure about the other week. LilJoey would say Kiev. But that would be during the Euro 2012 so I am not sure. What would you guys do?[/QUOTE]
Don't pre-suppose my answer. I think two weeks in FKK's can get a bit monotonous, as well as you probably won't last that long unless you smuggle a suitcase of Vitamin C in with you_LOL. Generally after 3 or 4 days of full steam fucking three or four girls a day in FKK's most guys run out of steam and want a break. It's like eating ice cream. it's delicious. But if that's all you can eat for several days in a row, you begin to crave something else, like a steak. So in order to better enjoy your time in the FKK's I would try to break up the trip and do other things and see other locations in between bouts of several days at some FKK's. I once tried FKK's, then Kiev, then FKK's as a trip design. I found that after being sexually depleted and exhausted in the first FKK round, I was not able to maximize my sexual exploits in Kiev to the degree I wanted. So I decided that in the future, the trip model should be Kiev first, then end off with FKK's.
So I would advise going to Kiev first, and then ending off at FKK's. But if both of your two weeks are during Euro 2012, then there are definitely other cities where you can have a heap of fun, notably three cities easily connected by rail. Budapest -- Vienna -- Prague. Each has awesome possibilities for mongering, girls whose looks are off the charts, and the prices are not worse than at the FKK's. Also I have recently been playing in Madrid, where it is a little more expensive, and have heard very good things about Barcelona.
[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1253558]Don't pre-suppose my answer. I think two weeks in FKK's can get a bit monotonous, as well as you probably won't last that long unless you smuggle a suitcase of Vitamin C in with you_LOL. Generally after 3 or 4 days of full steam fucking three or four girls a day in FKK's most guys run out of steam and want a break. It's like eating ice cream. It's delicious. But if that's all you can eat for several days in a row, you begin to crave something else, like a steak. So in order to better enjoy your time in the FKK's I would try to break up the trip and do other things and see other locations in between bouts of several days at some FKK's. I once tried FKK's, then Kiev, then FKK's as a trip design. I found that after being sexually depleted and exhausted in the first FKK round, I was not able to maximize my sexual exploits in Kiev to the degree I wanted. So I decided that in the future, the trip model should be Kiev first, then end off with FKK's.
So I would advise going to Kiev first, and then ending off at FKK's. But if both of your two weeks are during Euro 2012, then there are definitely other cities where you can have a heap of fun, notably three cities easily connected by rail. Budapest. Vienna. Prague. Each has awesome possibilities for mongering, girls whose looks are off the charts, and the prices are not worse than at the FKK's. Also I have recently been playing in Madrid, where it is a little more expensive, and have heard very good things about Barcelona.[/QUOTE]I did pre-suppose your answer correctly! FKK + Kiev is your first choice, regardless of the order. .
I mongered in Budapest, Vienna, Prague, Madrid and Barcelona.
Budapest: Beautiful girls but it is hard work. Less structure and privates are a lot of work and were hit or miss.
Vienna: The best scene is again FKK. Golden time or Fun Palast. Termin porn babes is high end and one that I did not try.
Prague: Same as Buda or Pest. Beautiful girls but it is hard work. Less structure and privates are a lot of work and were hit or miss. The K club is expensive.
Barcelona: Had few great sessions in casas. If you go to one and if you do not find anyone to your liking, the next place could be 40 minutes away in traffic.
Madrid: Not bad but the good clubs are far out of own. Only one is worth going in town.
Malaga: Nice clubs along the coast with hot Romanians but not take out.
Any other thoughts?
[QUOTE=Big30; 1253554]"In club the, eu cred ai dreptate" (note: no google translate translation used.)!
You would be surprised how many Icebears can speak some very basic Romanian, more than the standard standard phrase "ce faci?"
Although in [i]some[/i] Clubs esspecially in NRW Turkish is getting more and more the language you hear most, but that relates more to the guests![/QUOTE]Multumesc!
The! When you spend countless hours with the girls you learned some phrase.
Turkish! Impossible at GT.
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1253596]I did pre-suppose your answer correctly! FKK + Kiev is your first choice, regardless of the order. .
I mongered in Budapest, Vienna, Prague, Madrid and Barcelona.
Budapest: Beautiful girls but it is hard work. Less structure and privates are a lot of work and were hit or miss.
Vienna: The best scene is again FKK. Golden time or Fun Palast. Termin porn babes is high end and one that I did not try.
Prague: Same as Buda or Pest. Beautiful girls but it is hard work. Less structure and privates are a lot of work and were hit or miss. The K club is expensive.
Barcelona: Had few great sessions in casas. If you go to one and if you do not find anyone to your liking, the next place could be 40 minutes away in traffic.
Madrid: Not bad but the good clubs are far out of own. Only one is worth going in town.
Malaga: Nice clubs along the coast with hot Romanians but not take out.
Any other thoughts?[/QUOTE]Well, since it sounds like you are saying that both your weeks are during Euro 2012, and you are looking for other city options besides Kiev or Poland, and it seems you have gotten your feet wet in all of the best alternative markets, you are in the best position to make a decision as to where is best to return. There is of course also Berlin, London and Amsterdam, but the latter two are higher priced and I gave my first choices, unless you are interested in getting visas and heading for St Petersburg.
I don't disagree with the accuracy of any of your comments about the cities I mentioned first. In fact yours were the very reasons that I have opted to shift my focus to Kiev. However, since you wanted alternatives to Kiev, those are the best. For example, in a recent Kiev trip at the end of last year, where my return flight to the US was on AA from Budapest, I decided to bypass Budapest as my one nite stopover location for a final fling, and decided to make the effort to go to Vienna for the night and hit Goldentime.
However, I learned something from the taxi driver in Budapest. That it is possible to shortcut much of the hardwork if you associate a local with hard knowledge of the Budapest girl apartment scene. He said he would take me to all the best apartments. I said next time, because I had already decided on Goldentime, but he planted a seed in my headfor the future, as perhaps I hadn't gone about it the best way the last times I was in Budapest, where I ended up focussing on the higher end escort scene which has truly awesome ladies.
As the one with the best all around scene, I would choose Vienna, for the following reasons. Besides Goldentime, it has the high end Babylon which every man should treat himself to at least once. It also has a very good outcall escort scene (see eg viennaescort. At) , a number of laufhauses (see many options on kontaktbazar. At) , an SW scene, is close to Bratislava in Slovak Republic (an hour on train) so you can hit that scene too, and is close enough on train for you to easily add either one of Budapest or Prague as you may desire. It is also culturally a great tourist destination, with great food and nightclubs. For similar reasons one might consider Berlin or Rome. It depends on what your focus will be on the days you are not going to be cock deep into multiple pussies in the FKK's.
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1253596]I mongered in Budapest, Vienna, Prague, Madrid and Barcelona.
Any other thoughts?[/QUOTE]I might have missed it but have you done Fkk clubs before? How are you planning on getting around, car or public transportation? What about following around some of the teams and then visit a local club? You'd break up your visits and get to see more clubs.
[i]Continued from GENERAL INFO thread[/i]
[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1253557]Don't worry CD. I do have a very thick skin and ample servings of patience. So my spirit of helpfulness and willingness to continue posting has not been dampened in the least.
My purpose in posting information I have learned for the members of this forum, is to inform and to entertain, not to give anyone heartburn.
LJ[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Glad to see [b]LJ[/b] that you are taking full advantage of the new "[u]German FKK Club: Lounge and Chat Area[/u]" and your good humour about being moved from pillar to post is of credit to you. I would however offer you some gentle words of care insofar as your quest to inform which is very welcome could possibly border on being fractionally didactic in nature (in a slightly negative sense). Many members (particularly those of long standing) of this particular ISG niche (i.e. Germany. FKK Clubs) be they North American, British, Irish or from Mainland Europe (or elsewhere!) are more often than not particularly well traveled and very aware of the delights and mongering opportunities which other continents and countries have to offer. Many of these ISG Members have traveled from Bangkok to Rio in pursuit of recreation and fun and, just as I have done, come to the conclusion that what we seek is best catered for in FKK-Land. Many of us elect to monger in Germany in preference to other locations and not out of ignorance of what other countries have to offer. Your discussions concerning Germany, Kiev and Latin American countries are most welcome, informative and entertaining. But be conscious of the fact that many here prefer FKK-Land to most (perhaps all) other locations!
More power to your elbow and to your typing fingers!
[b]CD[/b]
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[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1253795][i]Continued from GENERAL INFO thread[/i]
[font=tahoma]Glad to see [b]LJ[/b] That you are taking full advantage of the new "[u]German FKK Club: Lounge and Chat Area[/u]" and your good humour about being moved from pillar to post is of credit to you. I would however offer you some gentle words of care insofar as your quest to inform which is very welcome could possibly border on being fractionally didactic in nature (in a slightly negative sense). Many members (particularly those of long standing) of this particular ISG niche (I. E. Germany. FKK Clubs) be they North American, British, Irish or from Mainland Europe (or elsewhere!) are more often than not particularly well traveled and very aware of the delights and mongering opportunities which other continents and countries have to offer. Many of these ISG Members have traveled from Bangkok to Rio in pursuit of recreation and fun and, just as I have done, come to the conclusion that what we seek is best catered for in FKK-Land. Many of us elect to monger in Germany in preference to other locations and not out of ignorance of what other countries have to offer. Your discussions concerning Germany, Kiev and Latin American countries are most welcome, informative and entertaining. But be conscious of the fact that many here prefer FKK-Land to most (perhaps all) other locations!
More power to your elbow and to your typing fingers!
[b]CD[/b]
[/font][/QUOTE]I would certainly acknowledge the existence of gents who have come to nestle their eggs in FKK-land and who are also well traveled. Just as such gents surely would have to acknowledge the existence of many other more newbie types who are not well travelled and don't know it all yet. My good counsel to those who know it all already would be to lighten up a bit, and allow the free expression of ideas and information that might benefit others, if not themselves. After all, this is not a veteran's clubhouse or a board restricted to those who know it all and have no need of an international sex guide to guide them anymore. It's supposed to be quite the opposite. The well travelled veterans should be there to guide and inform and enlarge the knowledge of the newer participants to the extent they have the patience to do, and to actually post some of their own continuing exploits, even though it may not be with the enthusiasm they once had for posting. As there's always a value to good writing that entertains and / or titillates.
Thanks for the encouraging words
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1253549]if you have two mongering weeks to spend any where in Europe, where would you go for mongering. What would you guys do?[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Stay in [b]FKK-Land[/b] [i] (Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Netherlands) [/i].
If you want to take a breather and see the sights, go to Disneyland Paris :)
[b]CD[/b] [/font]
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1253549]But that would be during the Euro 2012.[/QUOTE]Not trying to Hi-jack the thread, but this poor ignorant Canuck needs your valued insight.
Just learned of Euro 2012. What I gather is: it is a significant football tourney to be held in Poland / Ukraine starting 8 June til 7 July. Germany has matches 9&13 June.
Yours truly will be in FRA et al 03-13 June. Will this 'international' event impact German FKKs? Can anyone confirm: this will mean football on all TV's all the time but no matches in Frankfurt? Action in the German FKKs should only marginally be affected when the girls home teams are playing? The ladies will probably be ok, I didn't see a Romanian team.
BTW: Canada now has 4 teams in the US Lingerie Football League (NA 'football' ie helmets / shoulder pads).
Thanks for any assistance.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1253838]Not trying to Hi-jack the thread, but this poor ignorant Canuck needs your valued insight.
Just learned of Euro 2012. What I gather is: it is a significant football tourney to be held in Poland / Ukraine starting 8 June til 7 July. Germany has matches 9&13 June.
Yours truly will be in FRA et al 03-13 June. Can anyone confirm: this will mean football on all TV's all the time but no matches in Frankfurt? The ladies will probably be ok, I didn't see a Romanian team.
BTW: Canada now has 4 teams in the US Lingerie Football League (NA 'football' ie helmets / shoulder pads).
Thanks for any assistance.
Myr.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Hijack away [b]Myr[/b] :)
The European Football Championship is probably the third biggest sporting event on the planet (after the World Cup & Olympics) and the German National Team will be one of the tournament favourites. Therefore the tournament will feature heavily (most days in June) on German TV, and on television across all of Europe and the footballing (soccer probably to you) World, during the month of June and also early July. The tournament occurs every four years (always 2 years from the next World Cup) and this time is hosted jointly by both Poland and Ukraine. Therefore there are no matches played in Germany.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Football_Championship[/url]
[url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/index.html[/url]
[b]CD[/b][/font]
Great Reports, Liljoey.
You need to be aware that there are those of us on ISG that are here, in the background so to speak, reading your extremely informative reports, that consider them an invaluable resource of information. I can't express to you how impressed I have been with your unrelenting contribution. You are very talented in the methods that you employ to tie together mongering information from several destinations and present it from a somewhat unbiased viewpoint, so we, the other mongers, can draw our own personal conclusions. It is always impressive when you get that occasional monger that tells you essentially 'no, you're wrong', but, you never seem to come back with the kind of defense that is common with some people. Instead, you seem to always come back with a presentation of additional information to further endorse your ideas, but, still appear courteous to others in accepting their counter view. I have no doubt that I'm not the only one that appreciates the fact that you are not quick to start an argument.
I agree with the idea that the forum needs to follow a format with reports organized into a somewhat orderly fashion, and it becomes a bit disorderly when the conversations wander extensively from the topic. But, it is still nice to have a place where a person like you, or someone else with valuable 'off topic' information to share, can go beyond a particular expected forum boundary, without 'border patrol' coming after you.
In conclusion, Liljoey, please don't ever get discouraged and don't stop your invaluable factual contribution. There really are some of us out here that are eagerly awaiting what you have to say!
Horbate
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1253842][font=tahoma]Hijack away [b]Myr[/b].
The European Football Championship is probably the third biggest sporting event on the planet (after the World Cup & Olympics) and the German National Team will be one of the tournament favourites. Therefore the tournament will feature heavily (most days in June) on German TV, and on television across all of Europe and the footballing (soccer probably to you) World, during the month of June and also early July. The tournament occurs every four years (always 2 years from the next World Cup) and this time is hosted jointly by both Poland and Ukraine. Therefore there are no matches played in Germany.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Football_Championship[/url]
[url]http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/index.html[/url]
[b]CD[/b][/font][/QUOTE]Eurocup is a big event here,
When we are playing the street are totally empty, instead people are in pubs, bars, at home and watch the game.
Polen / Ukraine are hosts this year. 16 countries are qualified.
We are going to play against Germany, that would be an interesting match. I'm considering the option going to Poland and Ukraine to see the games live. Another option is watching the games in the FKK clubs with the girls. Sex & football, Yeah!
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1253924]We are going to play against Germany, that would be an interesting match. I'm considering the option going to Poland and Ukraine to see the games live. Another option is watching the games in the FKK clubs with the girls. Sex & football, Yeah![/QUOTE]Probably the only match you have a chance to win! As we all know no-one can beat the Dutch team!
I 'm joking but the in Group B it is difficult to predict who will winn. If one would respect the FIFA ranking then Germany and Holland would qualify for the next round, but rankings are not always respected. Think of EC 1992 in Sweden when a team won that did not even qualify, forgot what team that was.
I remember a 2-2 game after over time in the semi final in Sweden.
But yes it is true, EURO 2012 is big very big. People look at home, pubs and also in many cities on big squares to watch the game with 10. 000-20. 000 people or even more on an big screen.
I watched some matches in a club the past years. Most clubs have some additional LCD-screens / projectors where you can the watch the game. 2010 in Gt I saw the 1/4 final match Holland-Brasil in a tent in the garden. I would estimate about 75% of the guests watched the game. During the game not much business for the girls but before and after not a problem (can depend on the result of the game!).
When Holland played the WC final 2010 more than 100. 000 gathered on Museumsquare in Amsterdam, they had to close the square 2 hrs before the start of the match because of the maximum capacity.
The impact on the line-up in the club will be limited, but when some matches are played clubs try to overcome the possible loss of guestst by putting screens in the clubs and in some cases also some special actions. Bernds had one 2 years ago, you paid less entrance when I remember well depending on how many goals the German team scored.
[QUOTE=Big30;1254094]The impact on the line-up in the club will be limited, but when some matches are played clubs try to overcome the possible loss of guestst by putting screens in the clubs and in some cases also some special actions. Bernds had one 2 years ago, you paid less entrance when I remember well depending on how many goals the German team scored.[/QUOTE]Its also a great way to take a break from the action. And a great time to have your choice of girls if your on the hunt. I wonder how many guys show up just to watch the game, you think about it: unlimited drinks, food, hot women, flat screen tv.
[QUOTE=Big30; 1254094]Probably the only match you have a chance to win! As we all know no-one can beat the Dutch team!
I 'm joking but the in Group B it is difficult to predict who will winn. If one would respect the FIFA ranking then Germany and Holland would qualify for the next round, but rankings are not always respected.[/QUOTE]So you are with the Dutch team.
Yes Group B is quite tough for us, Portugal we can beat, like last round.
Germany and Holland both great teams let's see how it goes. Germany was doing great last would cup.
I was thinking some clubs will show football in Kino, and I'll enjoy some BJ and beer during the game and have a quicky during the break.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1254121]Its also a great way to take a break from the action. And a great time to have your choice of girls if your on the hunt. I wonder how many guys show up just to watch the game, you think about it: unlimited drinks, food, hot women, flat screen tv.[/QUOTE]In reality for some guys, football is more important than sex.
And you want to watch the games with your friends, then have sex later.
Have you seen this commercial with a GF trying to get attention from her BF while he was watching football on TV.
She had sexy underwear and stand in front of the TV, but the guy ask her to move aside so he could watch the game.
This picture made me laugh as in the clubs naked girls will try to seduce me during the game, and I'll say "not now my dear I'm watching the game".
[QUOTE=Liljoey; 1253800]I would certainly acknowledge the existence of gents who have come to nestle their eggs in FKK-land and who are also well traveled. Just as such gents surely would have to acknowledge the existence of many other more newbie types who are not well travelled and don't know it all yet. My good counsel to those who know it all already would be to lighten up a bit, and allow the free expression of ideas and information that might benefit others, if not themselves. After all, this is not a veteran's clubhouse or a board restricted to those who know it all and have no need of an international sex guide to guide them anymore. It's supposed to be quite the opposite. The well travelled veterans should be there to guide and inform and enlarge the knowledge of the newer participants to the extent they have the patience to do, and to actually post some of their own continuing exploits, even though it may not be with the enthusiasm they once had for posting. As there's always a value to good writing that entertains and / or titillates.
Thanks for the encouraging words[/QUOTE]I absolutely dig your posts and your writing style. Keep them coming.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1253786]I might have missed it but have you done Fkk clubs before? How are you planning on getting around, car or public transportation? What about following around some of the teams and then visit a local club? You'd break up your visits and get to see more clubs.[/QUOTE]Thank you for asking. Yes I have been to FKK several times in Vienna (big fan of GT there), in Hessen and NRW. I will have a car.
Captain Dan (post # 16) added Switzerland and Netherlands to the FKK list. I am familiar with the Swiss FKK but I have never been there. Based on reports, it is a bit more expensive but that in itself does not bother me especially if some of you think it is work driving down there for what ever reasons (quality of girls, ethnic mixture, friendliness, ambience of place etc) . I don't know anything about FKK in netherlands other than Yin-Yang which I have been to and decided that I should stick to NRW clubs.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1254121]Its also a great way to take a break from the action. And [B]a great time to have your choice of girls if your on the hunt. [/B]I wonder how many guys show up just to watch the game, you think about it: unlimited drinks, food, hot women, flat screen tv.[/QUOTE]OK, I get it. I was there for FIFA Women's WC last year (though no doubt this will be bigger).
So I can either join my European pooning brothers & watch the matches on the 50" [I]Flat[/I] Screens, or try to score my own Gooaall with the not-so flat Ladies! Hmmmm. Two versions of 'The Beautiful Game'.
M.
In a few weeks I will be embarking on another fkk adventure. I had the option of visiting Kiev this time but could not tear myself away from much loved clubs like oase and the chance to experience some new nrw clubs. However I am already planning in theory at least a trip to Kiev in September finances pending. Liljoeys patience with me on the Kiev forum explaining the in's and out's of Kiev has filled me with thoughts of exotic beauties in clubs such as Rio. So to sum up a BIG thanks to liljoey for his patience and fascinating comparisons between what germany has to offer as opposed to Kiev and supplying me with a foundation of knowledge regarding Kiev that will enable someone such as myself to undertake such a trip.
First of all thanks to the seniors for letting us have this new lounge / chat area allowing us to discuss subjects slightly outside the topics of the standard threads. It's appreciated.
The very thing that lead to this new thread was of course the discussion between LJ, Bread and Vitrea benchmarking the FKK scene to certain p4p scenes worldwide, which I followed with huge interest. I have always enjoyed reading the benchmarking debates, but to me the true added value of this discussion was that it was between FKK veterans with a notion about "FKK standards / qualities". You just don't get that understanding when reading threads of other parts of the world. And I am not sure raising a "FKK benchmarking debate" would be very welcome in other world threads, too TBH. ;)
For example: When reading the Brazil threads, don't we all just appreciate so much more reading Euro100 latest escapades rather than some other Brazil veteran's view, simply because we know Euro100 so well from his outstanding reports in the FKK threads?
And what happens when such debates takes place without FKK veterans participating? Well, I tell you what:
This forum contains an Opinions / Editorial section with a thread called 'Which Country in Europe is the best value for money for punting? '. Today, after 10 reports, the conclusion is that you find best value for money in Prague, the small apartments in Spanish Costa del Sol, and in the German Partytreff scene. Can you believe that crap!?!! Not a word of the FKK scene ... Some of you well travelled gents with integrity ought to put things straight in that thread.
Well, at least it makes me happy that we now finally have a lounge where we - among other things - can discuss the p4p world from a FKK perspective.
Peace. Out.
Breadman, thank you for reaching out. You are awesome.
Mohab, I have been to Golden Time and Living Room 2-3 years ago. Which ones are the new NRW clubs? Thanks
[QUOTE=Shark16; 1254445]First of all thanks to the seniors for letting us have this new lounge / chat area allowing us to discuss subjects slightly outside the topics of the standard threads. It's appreciated.
The very thing that lead to this new thread was of course the discussion between LJ, Bread and Vitrea benchmarking the FKK scene to certain p4p scenes worldwide, which I followed with huge interest. I have always enjoyed the benchmarking debates, but to me the true added value of this discussion was that it was between FKK veterans with a notion about "FKK standards / qualities". You just don't get that understanding when reading threads of other parts of the world. And I am not sure raising a "FKK benchmarking debate" would be very welcome in other world threads, too TBH. .
For example: When reading the Brazil threads, don't we all just appreciate so much more reading Euro100 latest escapades rather than some other Brazil veteran's view, simply because we know Euro100 so well from his outstanding reports in the FKK threads?
And what happens when such debates takes place without FKK veterans participating? Well, I tell you what:
This forum contains an Opinions / Editorial section with a thread called 'Which Country in Europe is the best value for money for punting? '. Today, after 10 reports, the conclusion is that you find best value for money in Prague, the small apartments in Spanish Costa del Sol, and in the German Partytreff scene. Can you believe that crap! Not a word of the FKK scene. Some of you well travelled gents with integrity ought to put things straight in that thread.
Well, at least it makes me so much more happy that we now finally have a lounge where we can discuss the p4p world from a FKK perspective.[/QUOTE]You sir, hit the nail on the head.
My old Ford is dying and I need a new car. I have two good friends who are car enthusiasts. One is a huge fan of Audis. He owned Audis almost all his life and his family owns audis. He knows cars but he does not have personal experience with other cars and that is by choice. The other guy owned an Audi, Ford and a BMW in the last 12 years but not an expert in one particular brand. When I was trying to decide which car to get, I asked the second guy for his opinion. When I am not sure, it is useless asking the first guy. I already know his answer. If I eventually decide to go with an Audi, I will certainly ask the first guy which Audi to get. Both my friends have useful information but I need to use judgment on when and how to use it.
[QUOTE=Shark16;1254445]This forum contains an Opinions / Editorial section with a thread called 'Which Country in Europe is the best value for money for punting? '. Today, after 10 reports, the conclusion is that you find best value for money in Prague, the small apartments in Spanish Costa del Sol, and in the German Partytreff scene. Can you believe that crap!?!! Not a word of the FKK scene . Some of you well travelled gents with integrity ought to put things straight in that thread.[/QUOTE]There's a big difference in 'value for money' for a fuck and 'quality for the money' for a fuck. I've done the partytreff's and the reviews of the girls are "a bit exaggerated". Lets face it, you don't know what the reviewer likes or considers 'first rate talent'. His '8' might only be a '4' in your book. And it usually is just that. I'd pay 99 euro's to enter one of these partytreff's and would be able to fuck for 6 to 8 times for a great 'value for the money'. But I found paying say '150' total at GT for entrance and two room visits and the use of their facilities had a much higher 'value for my money'.
The partytreff's are a great way to kill your sex drive for a week. The greatest value for my money lies in the regular clubs.
When saying new I meant as in new for my ownself. I have been to samya before and this time plan to hit acapulco for the first time. Just as a side note I will be in frankfurt for 5 nights and plan 3 full 12 hour days in oase. 2 days at oase are a must for me however having experienced world last summer I thought the lineup was not on the league of oase. Mainhatten seems too small for a 12 hour stay and palace which I have visited 3 times so far does have beauties and nice facilities but the girls seem very proactive in rushing sessions and kissing etc seems to be negotiable whereas at oase this is not an issue. A third day in a different setting to oase would be nice can anyone crack this conundrum for me and come up with an alternative to oase for a day as I am unable to.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1254146]Captain Dan (post # 16) added Switzerland and Netherlands to the FKK list. I am familiar with the Swiss FKK but I have never been there. Based on reports, it is a bit more expensive but that in itself does not bother me especially if some of you think it is work driving down there for what ever reasons (quality of girls, ethnic mixture, friendliness, ambience of place etc) . I don't know anything about FKK in netherlands other than Yin-Yang which I have been to and decided that I should stick to NRW clubs.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Hi [b]Vitrea[/b], I guess the point I was trying to make was that although there are other countries in Europe (probably Eastern Europe) where you can travel and monger, in my opinion it is difficult to beat (for quality, cost and easy availability) what is provided in the FKK and Sauna Clubs which are primarily in Germany (but also in Austria, Switzerland and to a much lesser extend Netherlands). Why travel the length and breath of Europe when there is so much to explore just in Germany alone.
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I've been to various European countries. And always I am glad to come back to good old FKK-Land, where you can get great sex with a great looking girl for as much as 50 plus entrance (anywhere between 20 and 80). Belgium, CZ, Netherlands, even Spain or Austria with their clubs (or Switzerland where 30min are almost 120). It's at the same price level or above, value for money still is great in Germany. Especially when you live here and travel expenses are almost zero.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1254856]I've been to various European countries. And always I am glad to come back to good old FKK-Land, where you can get great sex with a great looking girl for as much as 50 plus entrance (anywhere between 20 and 80). Belgium, CZ, Netherlands, even Spain or Austria with their clubs (or Switzerland where 30min are almost 120). It's at the same price level or above, value for money still is great in Germany. Especially when you live here and travel expenses are almost zero.
HB[/QUOTE]A side note, Asian countries (SEA) are still cheaper and more GFE. Better food and weather (beaches).
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1254804]When saying new I meant as in new for my ownself. I have been to samya before and this time plan to hit acapulco for the first time. Just as a side note I will be in frankfurt for 5 nights and plan 3 full 12 hour days in oase. 2 days at oase are a must for me however having experienced world last summer I thought the lineup was not on the league of oase. Mainhatten seems too small for a 12 hour stay and palace which I have visited 3 times so far does have beauties and nice facilities but the girls seem very proactive in rushing sessions and kissing etc seems to be negotiable whereas at oase this is not an issue. A third day in a different setting to oase would be nice can anyone crack this conundrum for me and come up with an alternative to oase for a day as I am unable to.
Thanks[/QUOTE]My expertise is not in the league of some of the other gents her but I would say, go to Sharks for the 3rd day. Nod to Breadman here.
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1254821][font=tahoma]Hi [b]Vitrea[/b], I guess the point I was trying to make was that although there are other countries in Europe (probably Eastern Europe) where you can travel and monger, in my opinion it is difficult to beat (for quality, cost and easy availability) what is provided in the FKK and Sauna Clubs which are primarily in Germany (but also in Austria, Switzerland and to a much lesser extend Netherlands). Why travel the length and breath of Europe when there is so much to explore just in Germany alone.
[b]CD[/b][/font][/QUOTE]I see your point and thank you.
BTW, I did some more research on Swiss FKKs after I posted my cavalier statement that price does not bother me. I take that back. It does not bother me to a certain limit. May be up to +/- 20 to 30 percent. FKK Globe is 160CHF for 30 minutes plus entrance plus more for drinks? Holy shit! That is more expensive than any FKK or club I have been in. It is more than K5 relax in Prague and almost as expensive as Babylon in Vienna.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1254859]A side note, Asian countries (SEA) are still cheaper and more GFE. Better food and weather (beaches).[/QUOTE]Yeah, that's true but that a different ball game. Let say in 3 categoties : caucasian. Germany FKK, malays. Thai or indonesia, latinas. Don't know, maybe brasil?
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1254859]A side note, Asian countries (SEA) are still cheaper and more GFE. Better food and weather (beaches).[/QUOTE]True. But. Long flight, no option for one day, SEA girls only.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1255002]True. But. Long flight, no option for one day, SEA girls only.
HB[/QUOTE]The idea here is a few weeks vacation. You can find EE and Latin girls but that is not idea to find those girls in SEA.
I agree with you that with FKK clubs you get the best over-all-setup. I just want to point out the price and GFE-factor I SEA.
[QUOTE=Big30; 1254094]I watched some matches in a club the past years. Most clubs have some additional LCD-screens / projectors where you can the watch the game. 2010 in Gt I saw the 1/4 final match Holland-Brasil in a tent in the garden. I would estimate about 75% of the guests watched the game. During the game not much business for the girls but before and after not a problem (can depend on the result of the game!).
The impact on the line-up in the club will be limited, but when some matches are played clubs try to overcome the possible loss of guestst by putting screens in the clubs and in some cases also some special actions. Bernds had one 2 years ago, you paid less entrance when I remember well depending on how many goals the German team scored.[/QUOTE]I remember 4 yrs ago World had a special tent set up outside with a huge screen & about 75 chairs. I would guess 90% of the clients were either in the tent or downstairs next to the bar. You could hear a pin drop after the intial screaming & groaning after Torres beat Lahm to score the eventual winning goal.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1254930]My expertise is not in the league of some of the other gents her but I would say, go to Sharks for the 3rd day. Nod to Breadman here.[/QUOTE]Couldn't have said it better.
Including the nod.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1254859]A side note, Asian countries (SEA) are still cheaper and more GFE. Better food and weather (beaches).[/QUOTE]Chances of getting a 'ladie boy' are also greater in asia.
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1254936]I see your point and thank you.
BTW, I did some more research on Swiss FKKs after I posted my cavalier statement that price does not bother me. I take that back. It does not bother me to a certain limit. May be up to +- 20 to 30 percent. FKK Globe is 160CHF for 30 minutes plus entrance plus more for drinks? Holy shit! That is more expensive than any FKK or club I have been in. It is more than K5 relax in Prague and almost as expensive as Babylon in Vienna.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Yeah [b]Vitrea[/b] sure can get mucho expensivo in the land of the cuckoo clock :D
Been a while since I was there but the batting average for stunners can be pretty high in some of them Swiss Clubs (particularly around Zurich).
Still the same assortment of Eastern European chics, but generally speaking very high quality in the looks department and drawn to the big f*ck bucks on offer in the land of Toblerone... yummy :)
But when all is said and done, you are paying much money for more or less the same as what is available for less in Germany (if you get my meaning).
Been a while since I was there and maybe its changed but my sources tell me no.
[b]London Traveller[/b] wrote some interesting reports a while ago, which I put in the [i]Germany FKK ~ Reports of Distinction[/i] thread.
Interestingly enough I seem to remember he was not all that impressed with what was on offer :(
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Big30 and Vita.
I love it when there is a big football match. As 75% of the male guests are watching the football it means that suddenly the girls are much more interested in my limited charms, and a conversation bewailing the football men is an easy starter, since the girls cannot understand that 22 men on a field is more interesting than the girls' desire to earn money
I visited Globe in Zurich 3 times during a 6 day visit to zurich in 2010. The level of beauty of the girls was truly exceptional not just the e. European delegation but the blonde germanic and even arabic type beauties. I myself have never seen such a collection of girls of this level in one club anywhere else. In connection to this the level of service leaves any punter free of any potential stresses. Why do I not return soon then? At around 200 euros per hour I can find the same level beauty and experience in a club like oase although my digging and mining to find such will be more involved and just a point to note; no matter which club I am in ALL the girls are lovely in their own right even ones I may not decide to take to a room for any number of personal factors.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1255514]I visited Globe in Zurich 3 times during a 6 day visit to zurich in 2010. The level of beauty of the girls was truly exceptional not just the e. European delegation but the blonde germanic and even arabic type beauties. I myself have never seen such a collection of girls of this level in one club anywhere else. In connection to this the level of service leaves any punter free of any potential stresses. Why do I not return soon then? At around 200 euros per hour I can find the same level beauty and experience in a club like oase although my digging and mining to find such will be more involved and just a point to note; no matter which club I am in ALL the girls are lovely in their own right even ones I may not decide to take to a room for any number of personal factors.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Thank you Mohab for that perspective. The Zurich thread is dead and nice to see someone address it here.
I once had a discussion with a friendly escort who is a 9 and she charged 1. 5 times as much as an 8 in the same agency charges (and they are friends). I asked her who is busier. She said the 8 has more bookings. When I asked her why she would not charge a little less so she could get more business she replied saying that it is her way limiting the number of encounters. That is more important to her than money. She said she would like to think that she provides better service because she is less tired and less "used" (her words).
Using that logic, I can see why 8s and 9s that prefer fewer sessions would gravitate to a place like Globe. Since this is a "lounge" let me ask what do others think of that reasoning?
[QUOTE=Mohab]I visited Globe in Zurich 3 times during a 6 day visit to zurich in 2010. The level of beauty of the girls was truly exceptional not just the e. European delegation but the blonde germanic and even arabic type beauties. I myself have never seen such a collection of girls of this level in one club anywhere else.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Yes indeed [b]Mohab[/b], the hooker line ups available in the Swiss clubs can pretty outstanding but also heavy on the wallet! [/font]
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1255661]Thank you Mohab for that perspective. The Zurich thread is dead and nice to see someone address it here.
I once had a discussion with a friendly escort who is a 9. When I asked her why she would not charge a little less so she could get more business she replied saying that it is her way limiting the number of encounters. That is more important to her than money. She said she would like to think that she provides better service because she is less tired.
I can see why 8s and 9s that prefer fewer sessions would gravitate to a place like Globe. Since this is a "lounge" let me ask what do others think of that reasoning?[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]I often wonder if it would be better if all the FKK and Sauna Clubs in Switzerland, Austria, the Netherlands and Germany were grouped into one big FKK / Sauna Clubs forum on ISG. It would give a more complete picture to the uninitiated as to what is available in Europe for this particular type of experience. There might also be more reports on clubs like Globe (Switz) or GoldenTime (Austria).
Your point [b]Vitrea[/b] concerning the mark 9 escort does make some sense but not sure if it fully applies to the hookers who work in clubs like Globe in Switzerland. The Swiss clubs seem to be very selective with regard to the standard of hooker they employ. Many girls are drawn to the money on offer in cities like Zurich, so there seems to be a steady pussy supply for these clubs. Whether the hookers are less "used up" is debatable. Clubs like Globe get plenty of visitors, primarily from the rich locals or regular visitors who are in town primarily for business reasons. What I do know is that some of these clubs are pretty regimented as far as the girls are concerned and many move on or move back to the FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany which seem to be a little more relaxed. [/font]
[QUOTE=Captain Dan;1255861][font=tahoma]I often wonder if it would be better if all the FKK and Sauna Clubs in Switzerland, Austria, the Netherlands and Germany were grouped into one big FKK / Sauna Clubs forum on ISG. It would give a more complete picture to the uninitiated as to what is available in Europe for this particular type of experience. There might also be more reports on clubs like Globe (Switz) or GoldenTime (Austria).[/font][/QUOTE]I agree fully. I hope this lounge can serve part of that goal. BTW, in my 20 or so FKK visits, pretty much equally divided (3-4 visits to each of the bigger clubs) among Oase, Palace, World, Mainhatten, GT and LR in NRW and Golden Time in Vienna, Yin-Yang and couple of small clubs near FRA, Golden Time in Vienna is my favourite.
[QUOTE=Captain Dan;1255861]Your point [b]Vitrea[/b] concerning the mark 9 escort does make some sense but not sure if it fully applies to the hookers who work in clubs like Globe in Switzerland. The Swiss clubs seem to be very selective with regard to the standard of hooker they employ. Many girls are drawn to the money on offer in cities like Zurich, so there seems to be a steady pussy supply for these clubs. Whether the hookers are less "used up" is debatable. Clubs like Globe get plenty of visitors, primarily from the rich locals or regular visitors who are in town primarily for business reasons. What I do know is that some of these clubs are pretty regimented as far as the girls are concerned and many move on or move back to the FKK / Sauna clubs in Germany which seem to be a little more relaxed. [/font][/QUOTE]Even after a few visits, I still do not have a good knowledge of how these clubs work. My basic understanding in German clubs is that the clubs have no employee-employer relationship with the girls. Pretty much any girl who is legal in Germany can walk into one of these clubs, pay the entrance fee, use the spa, eat the food and have sex with men for money. First, is that correct? If yes, may be the swiss club rules are different and may be they have an employee relationship or a "membership" clause where they can restrict who works there and who does not.
One of you experts who knows the inner workings of FKKs in Europe can enlighten us. I also suspect this has been discussed in the past but I could not find any posts addressing the possible operational differences in different countries.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1255868]One of you experts who knows the inner workings of FKKs in Europe can enlighten us. I also suspect this has been discussed in the past but I could not find any posts addressing the possible operational differences in different countries.[/QUOTE]In principal the girls are independent workers in German FKK and they pay tax as well. But in reality there are some unwritten relationship or dependency toward the clubs. Some of the girls have pimps or other connections, so they can't freely leave the club.
Some girls told me the management at Globe is quite strict with the girls, so they don't like to work there for long even the income is higher than German clubs. On the other hand I know girls that have moved to Globe to try their luck.
1) I would fully support the idea of a thread dedicated to fkk clubs regardless of country where experienced and newcomers alike could compare clubs based on quality rather than on geographical location. It would be a real goldmine of information all under one roof so to speak making decisions regarding travel and logistics fun too bringing together members from different forums who otherwise would not come into contact on ISG and would open the door to new contacts and even friendships. I would however be against including partytreffs and similar.
2) vitrea I am fascinated to find out why GT in vienna is your favourite club. I considered vienna as an alternative to my coming trip but on speaking to an american friend at oase he told me the girls are not as pretty as in the big frankfurt clubs and that the facilities are very basic by comparison also. I would visit vienna for vienna alone but would appreciate your feedback on GT.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1255868]I.
Even after a few visits, I still do not have a good knowledge of how these clubs work. My basic understanding in German clubs is that the clubs have no employee-employer relationship with the girls. Pretty much any girl who is legal in Germany can walk into one of these clubs, pay the entrance fee, use the spa, eat the food and have sex with men for money. First, is that correct? If yes, may be the swiss club rules are different and may be they have an employee relationship or a "membership" clause where they can restrict who works there and who does not.
One of you experts who knows the inner workings of FKKs in Europe can enlighten us. I also suspect this has been discussed in the past but I could not find any posts addressing the possible operational differences in different countries.[/QUOTE]This isn't the case anywhere. Few girls can just walk up to a club and get admitted. Many clubs have 'Romanian stops' and I've spoken to quite a few girls who told me about their 'interview' or. When discussing other clubs. That told me they needed a way in (ie contact) , before they could get into an other club. This is just talking to girls in World about Oase and vice versa. While there are quite a few girls that get into both, just because they have the contacts (I've fucked the same girl in Oase and World on consecutive days). It's the clubs that decide who gets in and who doesn't and for most girls it depends on their network, where they can get in. New or less successfull clubs are easy to get into. And for a reason (for instance Planet Eden. Former FKK Planet. Where girls can get in forr 111 a week and PSR where girls can get in for free the first three days).
PS God how I hate ISG deciding when I want to use full stops and not letting me use 'pause-dots'.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1255868]My basic understanding in German clubs is that the clubs have no employee-employer relationship with the girls.[/QUOTE]That is just the appearance they want to exude, to bypass the anti-pimping laws. There is definitely a relationship, but in the (dim) eyes of the law there is not. The entrance fee paid by the girls also gives the appearance they are all independent providers (or just 'die weibliche Gäste'). In reality, this is just the surplus value the owner of a factory would extract from any worker. That said, the FKK model is a very clever 'fetish construct', and many of the girls are indeed more independent than workers at regular jobs. For example, the cut the club extracts from the girl is not percentage-based. Although sucks if she got no clients that day, since she may also work for 'someone else'.
If you're curious about these details, just read the World thread.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1255881]1)
2) vitrea I am fascinated to find out why GT in vienna is your favourite club. I considered vienna as an alternative to my coming trip but on speaking to an american friend at oase he told me the girls are not as pretty as in the big frankfurt clubs and that the facilities are very basic by comparison also. I would visit vienna for vienna alone but would appreciate your feedback on GT.
Thanks[/QUOTE]There are several reasons I like GT but the number one reason is that the girls are generally younger, cuter (may not be more beautiful) and more girls with natural tits (as a percentage of the total). The place is also intimate. There are several "intimate" FKKs in Germany but I think GT in Vienna has better quality than most of the smaller clubs in Germany. Of course I have not been to many of them so that is a caveat.
Vienna is also a better city for sightseeing, restaurants, escorts, Massage places and "high-end" places like Babylon (If somebody is into it). Of course Berlin is an awesome city as well and has all these as well but I like GT slightly better than Artemis. GT has some competition from Fun Palast (which is a good thing) but Artemis has no competition in the area. For me Artemis was hit and miss. (three visits).
Having said all that, I have been to GT only a total of 6 days in three different seasons.
Facilities: For me showers, robes and a steam room is important (this is missing in GT). Food is not. BTW, I almost always take a break, leave go outside eat at a Turkish or Austrian restaurant and come back. I do that even at Palace. The other FKKs are too far from town to go out and come back.
I want to go To Oase / palace. But the girls are naked most days expcet lingerie day. I'd rather see them all naked but I like to take of girls pants.
Is it possible in the rooms I can get them to put pants on then I can slowly take them off?
If lingerie day do you undress them in room?
I'd prefer to go non lingerie day to see all the pussy but I do liek to take girls pants off.
[QUOTE=Occultus; 1255928]That is just the appearance they want to exude, to bypass the anti-pimping laws. There is definitely a relationship, but in the (dim) eyes of the law there is not. The entrance fee paid by the girls also gives the appearance they are all independent providers (or just 'die weibliche Gäste'). In reality, this is just the surplus value the owner of a factory would extract from any worker. That said, the FKK model is a very clever 'fetish construct', and many of the girls are indeed more independent than workers at regular jobs. For example, the cut the club extracts from the girl is not percentage-based. Although sucks if she got no clients that day, since she may also work for 'someone else'.
If you're curious about these details, just read the World thread.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Your understanding [b]Occultus[/b] of the relationship between the working girls and the clubs is very much in line with my own and anyone who thinks that the girls are completely self-employed free agents, able to move to any club whenever it takes their fancy is guilty of extreme naivety. Free movement of labour is not something that the clubs really encourage. So even without "management" the girls operate with somewhat restricted inter-club movement. Some girls do have "management" who ensure that the girls keep working in any particular club until the "Manager" decides it is time to move on. You don't often see these "managers" in the clubs as their overt presence in sometimes unwelcome (depending on the club) but they will often collect the girls at the end of the night. Some clubs such as FKK World will allow the "managers" entry.
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Girls in the clubs are self-employed. They pay entrance as the men also do. The club provides facilities, food,"the stage", but does not pay the girls or get a commission on what they make. It is OK for the club to give some restrictions or guidelines for the girls, as there is general pricing, maybe service, maybe working hours. It's a thin lone between what is legal or illegal. When finance authorities are questioning girls at the clubs, they try to find out how far these regulations go and in they are in line with the law. If not. The tax liability may move from the giros towards the club, that is if they were employed by the club. Which they actually can't be because ot he prostitution laws in Germany.
Girls can basically work at every club. The club has the "Hausrecht", same as every restaurant, discotheque, hotel. They can decide who to let in or not (male or female) without having to give a reason. Some clubs require more paperwork than others, this may keep some girls from going there. Some girls have managers / friends / husbands who tell them where to go. And Mauro at Oase is trying to keep girls in his club by not letting them work at Oase if he hears they were at another club. Which is morr than stupid.
As always this subject is more grey than black or white.
HB
Hey guys!
I stumbled upon this site when I was doing a random search a while ago and I am sure glad I did. My experiences in punting is limited compared to the most of the guys here and I have not been active for years. I did not know much about FKK clubs, so I spent a lot of time in the last few days going thru the different threads. So many great posts and so much info.
I have decided to make a trip to Frankfurt in the near future, could be as soon as end of March or pushed to sometime in the May. I am trying to convince one of my friends to make the trip with me but no luck so far. The Oase club is the only item on my "Have To Do" list but I am still reading and searching so that list should grow by the time I make it to Germany. I promise to do a full report about my visit.
Happy hunting.
[QUOTE=Mer Zues;1256868]Hey guys!. I stumbled upon this site when I was doing a random search a while ago and I am sure glad I did. Happy hunting.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Welcome [b]Mer Zues[/b] to our little piece of ISG heaven that is Germany FKK Clubs :)
I hope that this forum will be of assistance with the planning of your next adventure and that when the time is correct you have a very pleasant visit to FKK-Land.
Do report back on the details of your trip. Welcome again!
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Thank you for the welcome CD. Appreciate it.
It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure. I am seeking some last minute info from senior members regarding my plans. Especially 1) constructive criticism ie ways of improving my plans 2) to identify any pitfalls I have not seen and similar. BACKGROUND; ; my initial plan A was to centre 3 days around oase wed-sat and then on Monday to depart onto cologne via ice train and then hit aca or samya on Tuesday flying home from frankfurt on wed. I am taking the 50min train trip from koln to frank. Airport on wed morning. My flights are fixed in / out Frankfurt. I have done many trips to Hessen and visited OASE6 times so far from england. I have only visited artemis once back in 2008 and loved it. I am not searching new clubs because I think there is any higher chance of having a better selection in one place or another but purely because I love the buzz of being in a new or more or less new place ie here artemis as I do believe each club is in its own right a distinctly different experience and I want to redo artemis so to say. I have come up with a new plan B and it is this that I am seeking feedback on in the nature stated above from senior members. Although I have good experience of germany to now it is nowhere on the level of the senior posters here. Here is plan B; arrive into frankfurt wed and spend whole day at oase. Thurs-sleep / rest at mercure hotel. Fri-take morning ice train to berlin hotel near artemis already booked. Fri-sat two full days at artemis. Sun-sleep / rest berlin hotel. Mon-take ice train (all train tickets booked) from berlin to cologne. 4 hour train journey. Tue hit full day samya. Wed quick hop back from cologne to frank. Airport back home to england. As stated all tickets booked and a small loss has been made on hotel in frankfurt which was booked for 5 nights so I loose 3 nights. I have gone over this plan a hundred times and cannot see anything wrong especially as it will give me the chance to experience oase / artemis and an nrw club all within one week as I do not get to come out to germany very often. Thanks for all help. (as for berlin cologne frank-berlin also is a 4 hour journey)
[QUOTE=Mohab;1259382]It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure.[/QUOTE]Good luck with you decide to do, no advise or comment from here.
I'll be at Palace or Oase on Friday.
[font=tahoma]Good luck with the trip [b]Mohab[/b].
All the travelling around by train (from city to city and from club to club) would not be for me!
But everyone is different (which is a good thing) and I hope you have a most enjoyable time :)
[b]CD[/b][/font]
[font=Tahoma][i]Continued from FKK Oase thread[/i]
LOL [b]Champ Lover[/b]. I think that we are possibly discussing the matter of when '[b]the deal[/b]' (between the lady and her Icebear) actually commences at cross purposes with one another. This is undoubtedly the fault of my Irish sense of humour. I suspect that you are someone very familiar with the FKK / Sauna club world and possibly someone who is known on other non-English language FKK Boards? Consequently I doubt very much that I am teaching you anything new.
As we both know it is seldom the case that the timer starts without the full knowledge of both parties, be that at the bar or in the kino. The timer can start in the kino and a decision subsequently made after 10 minutes or so to find a room. In this case the timer has started prior to going to the room. If you happen upon a hooker in the kino and indulge in some light sexual play (kissing and fondling) whilst in the process of discussing and making a deal; then it may be possible to back out of the process provided that you have not given full consent or agreed terms and also provided you have not felt her up for 20 minutes :D
The main point that I am endeavouring (probably badly) to get across is that it is very difficult to accidentally make an arrangement with one of the working girls. Generally speaking a verbal agreement is always made (by both parties) and then the action commences.
I wish you good times.
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[QUOTE=GandJim; 1260376]No, as far as I am concerned, the clock starts only once I'm in the room. Reason is simple: I sometimes have to wait for 10-15mn if not more before a room is available. In the summer, I sometimes ask the girl to go and take a shower after the interview and before going to the room, and I take one myself too (yes, even with a hard on, who cares.).
On the other hand, I never abuse on the interview time and services.
Jim[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]This is correct [b]GrandJim[/b] according to my understanding; if you have to wait for a room, the timer does not start until you are actually in the room!
An agreement was made by both parties and a room was an essential part of that deal.
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[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1260320]Let me ask a trick question: Is the contract sealed if you have your tongue in her pussy.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]It depends [b]Nille Copenhagen[/b] how long you are licking her labia for!
You could tell her that you were checking for lost coins I suppose :D
[b]CD[/b]
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[QUOTE=Mohab;1259382]Tue hit full day samya.[/QUOTE]Why Samya rather than Bernd's?
[QUOTE=Mohab;1259382]It is just a few days now till I depart on my fkk adventure. I am seeking some last minute info from senior members regarding my plans. Especially 1) constructive criticism ie ways of improving my plans 2) to identify any pitfalls I have not seen and similar. BACKGROUND; ; my initial plan A was to centre 3 days around oase wed-sat and then on Monday to depart onto cologne via ice train and then hit aca or samya on Tuesday flying home from frankfurt on wed. I am taking the 50min train trip from koln to frank. Airport on wed morning. My flights are fixed in / out Frankfurt. I have done many trips to Hessen and visited OASE6 times so far from england. I have only visited artemis once back in 2008 and loved it. I am not searching new clubs because I think there is any higher chance of having a better selection in one place or another but purely because I love the buzz of being in a new or more or less new place ie here artemis as I do believe each club is in its own right a distinctly different experience and I want to redo artemis so to say. I have come up with a new plan B and it is this that I am seeking feedback on in the nature stated above from senior members. Although I have good experience of germany to now it is nowhere on the level of the senior posters here. Here is plan B; arrive into frankfurt wed and spend whole day at oase. Thurs-sleep / rest at mercure hotel. Fri-take morning ice train to berlin hotel near artemis already booked. Fri-sat two full days at artemis. Sun-sleep / rest berlin hotel. Mon-take ice train (all train tickets booked) from berlin to cologne. 4 hour train journey. Tue hit full day samya. Wed quick hop back from cologne to frank. Airport back home to england. As stated all tickets booked and a small loss has been made on hotel in frankfurt which was booked for 5 nights so I loose 3 nights. I have gone over this plan a hundred times and cannot see anything wrong especially as it will give me the chance to experience oase / artemis and an nrw club all within one week as I do not get to come out to germany very often. Thanks for all help. (as for berlin cologne frank-berlin also is a 4 hour journey)[/QUOTE]Great plan but I would rent a car.
[QUOTE=Mohab;1259382]Especially 1) constructive criticism[/QUOTE]Live a little more in the moment. As John Lennon was heard to say-"How do you make God laugh? Make a plan.
AM
1) vitrea; to drive from frankfurt to berlin would take 5. 5 hours at least given good road conditions. The train takes 4 hours and 10 mins. On the air conditioned dbahn I can relax with a coffee and pursue another hobby of mine amateur astronomy by reading my book stardust and relaxing by dreaming of distant galaxies and the blonde blue eyed starlets that will surely be awaiting my iminent arrival in the temple of lust known as artemis. Similarly from berlin to cologne it is far easier / quicker and much more relaxing to go by dbahn!
2) I have read the girls at bernds would not be really what I go far as in being older and the like. What clinches the deal for me at samya is the girls dancing on the bar at night. This is for me a huge turn on especially as this goes on most nights of the week reminding me of nights spent at the globe zurich and the feeling of being in a nightclub and having the luxury of being able to pick and choose a girl I have real chemistry with. (I must make it to vv parties on a future trip!)
3) full detailed report upon return promised.
Thanks
[font=tahoma][b]Mohab[/b] I would definitely endeavour to meet up with some fellow ISG Members while on your travels. This will undoubtedly make any club visit a more enjoyable experience for you and will also guarantee your bona fides far more than a trip report. After so so many questions, there are members here on ISG who wonder if you live in the North Pole with Santa Claus, or perhaps the same garden as the Easter Bunny or indeed in the same block of apartments as Super Cum 500 :D
I say this not to be rude to you as I find that many of your postings make me chuckle. But I think that a sighting of the [b]Great Mohab[/b] would be a valuable thing both for yourself and for your fellow ISG Members!
Respectfully Yours.
[b]CD[/b]
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Have posted travel plans; oase 28/3 12 hours from 4ish artemis 30/31 March two 12 hour days from around 4ish samya 3/4 8/9 hours from around 4pm.
In particular it would be great to meet CD, OCCULTUS, NILLE, BREADMAN, SUCKER17, and anyone else for that matter? Thanks
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1260901][font=tahoma][b]Mohab[/b] I would definitely endeavour to meet up with some fellow ISG Members while on your travels. This will undoubtedly make any club visit a more enjoyable experience for you and will also guarantee your bona fides far more than a trip report. After so so many questions, there are members here on ISG who wonder if you live in the North Pole with Santa Claus, or perhaps the same garden as the Easter Bunny or indeed in the same block of apartments as Super Cum 500.
I say this not to be rude to you as I find that many of your postings make me chuckle. But I think that a sighting of the [b]Great Mohab[/b] Would be a valuable thing both for yourself and for your fellow ISG Members!
Respectfully Yours.
[b]CD[/b]
[/font][/QUOTE]CD.
I'm convinced that Mohab exist, he just needs a little push. After so many claimed trips he is still insecure, someone should hold his hand and his dick and show him the way to pussy. Who would be a volunteer? I somehow feel sorry for him. LOL
[QUOTE=Mohab;1261123]In particular it would be great to meet CD, OCCULTUS, NILLE, BREADMAN, SUCKER17, and anyone else for that matter? Thanks[/QUOTE]Sorry Mohab, I won't be able to be in Germany during these dates. I have to recover my Mojo (and money) from last week LOL! I'll be in Artemis last weekend of May though, will post my dates in the forum, when I know for sure. Looking forward to your reports from these visits though!
[QUOTE=Big30; 1261278]Thursday in GT I also read the announcement that starting April 1 the entrance indeed will be 60E. This is no April 1 Joke.
Just read that VV will also raise Entrance from 50E to 60E![/QUOTE]Your thoughts on this Big30 since your a frequent visitor to these three clubs (including PHG since its decision to raise or stand pat on its entrance fee will be interesting)? What's the tone on the IJS? Will the increase hurt VV's attendance more so than GT's? Will the owners of LR try to do the same increase?
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1261123]Have posted travel plans; oase 28/3 12 hours from 4ish artemis 30/31 March two 12 hour days from around 4ish samya 3/4 8/9 hours from around 4pm.
In particular it would be great to meet CD, OCCULTUS, NILLE, BREADMAN, SUCKER17, and anyone else for that matter? Thanks[/QUOTE]Sure, could you loan me the price of a plane ticket across the ocean? :D
Good luck.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1261371]Your thoughts on this Big30 since your a frequent visitor to these three clubs (including PHG since its decision to raise or stand pat on its entrance fee will be interesting)? What's the tone on the IJS? Will the increase hurt VV's attendance more so than GT's? Will the owners of LR try to do the same increase?[/QUOTE]There is most certainly a lot of dicussion both on the Dutch Board and on the French (youppie). But no concensus! I do not expect a big impact on / for GT, if you are a Gt fan and Gt has a lot off fans then you do not bother that much paying this additional 10E.
I was a little surprised to read that VV is now the first club that will follow GT. I can understand the argument that some inflation correction is acceptable if you come to think that the 50E entrance has not changed since the Euro was introduced. Then in NRW PHG was the club and they went from 100 DM to 50E (100 DM =51. 13E, so.).
Later all clubs sticked to this 50E. OK not all, this is not true for ACA, H7 and most RTC in the "Ruhrpot" (Penelope, Belami etc. But they play in another division if you compare the faciliteis, hygiene and food)
I would not be surprised if PHG will also follow but so far I have no signs that this will happen. Thursday in GT received a 10E discount ticket for LR so unlikely I think LR will follow, at least not very soon.
[QUOTE=Big30;1261428]I would not be surprised if PHG will also follow but so far I have no signs that this will happen. Thursday in GT received a 10E discount ticket for LR so unlikely I think LR will follow, at least not very soon.[/QUOTE]I think by the end of this year, all the clubs have raised the price with 10, but if this impacts the business, then they will handle out discount card and make other promotions. Of cause GT is the main attraction in NRW, but there are lots of other alternatives if you want to save money.
For comparision Palace entry is 75 and Artemis is 80
Hope the girls are not raising the prices as well!
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1261309]Big30.
I don't think this is wise for VV, especially during the slow weekdays, they will get even less customer.
It seems like the clubs will follow GT and raise the price accordingly, how about ACA, LR, PHG, any news?[/QUOTE]Yes w. r. T. VV I had the same feeling. Esspecially mon-thu they [i]might[/i] Lose customers. For GT it is different, they can afford it because also at those relatively what slower days GT is still the best visited club in the area.
Lr see below unlikely. ACA is 50km from GT / PHG / VV, they have more competition with some smaller (and cheaper) clubs in the Ruhrpot area (=Essen / Bochum / Dortmund).
An argument to follow GT could be more psychologic "more expensive = better". Like GT must be better if it is 60E, some people also think that a bottle of wine of 60E is always better than a bottle of 50E. .
The announcement of GT now also is present on their blog:
[b]Liebe Gäste ab dem 01. April 2012 beträgt der Eintritt 60-
Alle VIP-Karten behalten ihre Gültigkeit (unter Vorbehalt)
Euer Goldentime[/b]
[QUOTE=Big30; 1261476]An argument to follow GT could be more psychologic "more expensive = better". Like GT must be better if it is 60E, some people also think that a bottle of wine of 60E is always better than a bottle of 50E. .
The announcement of GT now also is present on their blog:
[b]Liebe Gäste ab dem 01. April 2012 beträgt der Eintritt 60-
Alle VIP-Karten behalten ihre Gültigkeit (unter Vorbehalt)
Euer Goldentime[/b][/QUOTE]Maybe I should secure a prepaid VIP-card before 1st of April.
[QUOTE=Mohab]In particular it would be great to meet CD, OCCULTUS, NILLE, BREADMAN, SUCKER17, and anyone else for that matter? Thanks[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Unfortunately the timing of your trip [b]Mohab[/b] does not coincide with any of my FKK-Land visits, but if it did I would definitely be delighted to meet up with you!
I do hope that you can meet up with a few senior brother mongers from ISG during your trip because I believe that this will only add to your trip experience.
Also a confirmed sighting of [b]Mohab[/b] will definitely propel you to legendary status :)
Best of luck with the trip!
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I have some open questions, please be honest with yourself when answering them.
Do you ever use 30mins block as a unit in your daily life?
Do you ever convert to how many 50 sessions you can get when buying stuff or paying the bills?
Are you getting annoyed when someone try to sell / upsell in the shops?
How do you see women on the street after a FKK visit?
Why don't you remember her name after sex without writing it down?
It is a shame that I have not been able to arrange a meeting with any well known writers on this forum. Till now no one has got back to me. I will however be dancing on the pole at around 2am on Saturday night as I did last time when in artemis LOL. It is my way of showing the lovelies that apart from the great sex it is also nice to blend in and do something in return for them! LOL will describe what happened on return.
Many thanks
Having done 7 trips solo into the fkk tombs I think company would be a good idea! Dkman has replied and I will endevour to arrange a meeting in berlin artemis fri 30/3 with him. Thanks for the tip CD.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1262279]It is a shame that I have not been able to arrange a meeting with any well known writers on this forum. Till now no one has got back to me. I will however be dancing on the pole at around 2am on Saturday night as I did last time when in artemis LOL. It is my way of showing the lovelies that apart from the great sex it is also nice to blend in and do something in return for them! LOL will describe what happened on return.
Many thanks[/QUOTE]Male pole dance, Nein Danke!
I'll try to make some honest answers without indulging into jokes. Which is tempting!
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1262246]I have some open questions, please be honest with yourself when answering them.
Do you ever use 30mins block as a unit in your daily life?[/QUOTE]No I don't use 30 min. Blocks as a unit in daily life, don't know if I understood the question.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1262246]Do you ever convert to how many 50 sessions you can get when buying stuff or paying the bills?[/QUOTE]Well I have to admit that with the time passed on mongering (not just because of FKK, but generally speaking) , I tend to think about how many sessions I could have instead of certain services. I just heard about a collegue telling me about his travel to Las Vegas where one of his mates had spent 8000 USD on champagne in one of the clubs (unbelievable, but yes it is true!). This guy only paid this crazy amount of money on drinks, and the whole time I was converting this into how many sessions with girls in FKK. And of course at the same time thinking about how stupid certain people are!
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1262246]Are you getting annoyed when someone try to sell / upsell in the shops?[/QUOTE]Oh yes, happens all the time, last time in a cab from Oase. The driver tried to convince us to pay for the trip to Frankfurt Hbf instead. But it depends on the circumstances OFC.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1262246]How do you see women on the street after a FKK visit?[/QUOTE]I interact normally with civil girls / women, but I always have a hard time when coming back from mongering trips. I do have to put some cuffs on my hands and do my best to restrain myself. All I want to do is to slap them on their ass! This life messes up with your brain...
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1262246]Why don't you remember her name after sex without writing it down?[/QUOTE]I tend to remember girls with strange names, or girls that made an impression on me, both negative or positive. But I guess I forget their names easily if I don't' write them down, simply because I don't care as I know most of them use fake names anyway. However I am getting better at recalling names than I was before. It's all about exercise!
Very simple basic question as I'm packing my bag. On a typical Tuesday night where would I find the hottest girls? Living room or samya? Had planned samya but could make a detour to living room. Please helpful direct responses which are much appreciated as I will be accessing the internet in germany from a cafe or hotel as I do not carry internet phone with me.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1262499]Very simple basic question as I'm packing my bag. On a typical Tuesday night where would I find the hottest girls? Living room or samya? Had planned samya but could make a detour to living room. Please helpful direct responses which are much appreciated as I will be accessing the internet in germany from a cafe or hotel as I do not carry internet phone with me.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I'll say Samya.
The odds at GT or Acapulco are even better. Depends on your definition of hottest girls.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1262246]I have some open questions, please be honest with yourself when answering them.
How do you see women on the street after a FKK visit?[/QUOTE]She's worth 50e or she's not worth 50e, but maybe 30e in the RLD.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1262499]Very simple basic question as I'm packing my bag. On a typical Tuesday night where would I find the hottest girls? Living room or samya? Had planned samya but could make a detour to living room. Please helpful direct responses which are much appreciated as I will be accessing the internet in germany from a cafe or hotel as I do not carry internet phone with me.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Asked and answered ad nauseum.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1262246]I have some open questions, please be honest with yourself when answering them.
Do you ever use 30mins block as a unit in your daily life? No.
Do you ever convert to how many 50 sessions you can get when buying stuff or paying the bills? Too often. Also after spending too much with one girl, thinking it could be more sessions with different girls.
Are you getting annoyed when someone try to sell / upsell in the shops? No (made me thinking about the salesjob in rooms. They are only suggestion from the menu)
How do you see women on the street after a FKK visit? It is not so hard anymore knowing that the young and sexy is not for me, I find some more attractive in FKK.
Why don't you remember her name after sex without writing it down?[/QUOTE]Talking with too many girls and will not ask the name again when I have made my choice.
But some names I remeber for years.
Thanks a lot for your reports. Lanquage and the fact I do not remember names are the reason why I do not report.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1262518]I'll say Samya.
The odds at GT or Acapulco are even better. Depends on your definition of hottest girls.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma][b]Mohab[/b], I would definitely concur with [b]Nille Copenhagen[/b]'s suggestions.
I personally would have a strong preference for [b]GoldenTime[/b].
IMO just like [b]FKK Oase[/b] the lineup on any day in [b]GoldenTime[/b] is always good.
[b]CD[/b][/font]
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1262964][font=tahoma][b]Mohab[/b], I would definitely concur with [b]Nille Copenhagen[/b]'s suggestions.
I personally would have a strong preference for [b]GoldenTime[/b].
IMO just like [b]FKK Oase[/b] The lineup on any day in [b]GoldenTime[/b] Is always good.
[b]CD[/b][/font][/QUOTE]Mohab, might face difficulty to enter GT or once entered will feel leftout in the cold, please see the ongoing white-non-white discussion in the GT thread.
Being refused entry because of the color of your skin? Sounds like discrimination.
What about being refused entry because of your nationality?
Is it discrimination if a sexworker refuses you service for these reasons: color of your skin, having an abnormality, body odor, she didn't like the last encounter. There's been alot posted on girls being forced to prostitute themselves, the argument is that they are working of their own free will. At what point do they go from having the free will to say 'yes' or 'no' to discriminating against someone? Same question in reverse: at what point are you taking away the girls free will by forcing them to do something they don't want to do?
Is it discrimination when the 'service' is extremely personal as a sexworker provides? One normally reads about someone being discriminated against by an employer or a business. What would constitute discrimination if a girl turns you down in a club? Is it discrimination if you turn down a girl because of the color of her skin?
Is it discrimination when we don't choose sharks, fat girls, too slim girls, ugly tits girls and so on.
CD you are right, intimate services like sex / kiss are quite personal, so both parties should ideally allow to choose.
Noooo I was trapped by her spell and I was forced to have S / M sex with her.
Who cares if the girls or the club discriminates?
When I go to Japan. I can't get into many of the Soaplands there because I'm American (Gaigin). I don't blame the Japanese for this discrimination. I figure it has something to do with too many Gaijin causing problems in the Soaps. Oh well, I have to go other places.
Girls should be allowed to fuck whomever they please. If they don't like fat guys, or Americans, or non-white guys, that is their prerogative. Some people insist that the FKK's shouldn't allow girls who discriminate to work in their clubs. I disagree with this. We are not trying to solve the racial injustices of this world in this diversion known as "mongering". As an FKK owner I wouldn't turn away a woman who has a "10" body and provides wonderful GFE just because she refuses to fuck certain customers.
If a girl refuses to fuck a fat guy but she'll fuck me, I'm not going to turn her down because she discriminates. If she refuses to fuck a non-white guy but she'll fuck me. I won't turn her down because she discriminates. Mongering is not the time or place for these kinds of heavy-headed thoughts. If a girl turns me down but is willing to go with someone else. I say "more power" to the guy that gets her, he should go with her if he finds her attractive and willing.
By the way. I found this as an interesting article from a former prostitute who worked in New Orleans. She explains the "No Blacks Allowed" policy that some American hookers adhere to and the reasons why. Note. That she even claims that even black hookers will turn down blacks. It's an interesting read.
[url]http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/black-men/[/url]
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1264340]Who cares if the girls or the club discriminates?
When I go to Japan. I can't get into many of the Soaplands there because I'm American (Gaigin). I don't blame the Japanese for this discrimination. I figure it has something to do with too many Gaijin causing problems in the Soaps. Oh well, I have to go other places.
Girls should be allowed to fuck whomever they please. If they don't like fat guys, or Americans, or non-white guys, that is their prerogative. Some people insist that the FKK's shouldn't allow girls who discriminate to work in their clubs. I disagree with this. We are not trying to solve the racial injustices of this world in this diversion known as "mongering". As an FKK owner I wouldn't turn away a woman who has a "10" body and provides wonderful GFE just because she refuses to fuck certain customers.
If a girl refuses to fuck a fat guy but she'll fuck me, I'm not going to turn her down because she discriminates. If she refuses to fuck a non-white guy but she'll fuck me. I won't turn her down because she discriminates. Mongering is not the time or place for these kinds of heavy-headed thoughts. If a girl turns me down but is willing to go with someone else. I say "more power" to the guy that gets her, he should go with her if he finds her attractive and willing.
By the way. I found this as an interesting article from a former prostitute who worked in New Orleans. She explains the "No Blacks Allowed" policy that some American hookers adhere to and the reasons why. Note. That she even claims that even black hookers will turn down blacks. It's an interesting read.
[url]http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/black-men/[/url][/QUOTE]LOL I for one could careless IF a hooker that sells her body for a living want or don't want to have sex with a person base on their skin color etc. Or a club discriminate just base on a person skin color BUT I do have a problem when there are excuses made for them to have those views. I rather for them to just post a sign that says and state their views. This way a person won't have to waste their time and money $$ flying for hours and investing in hotels costs and taxi fare ONLY to find out the place he is interesting in going to won't serve him base on his skin color...beside that it will also save a person of color from having to waste their hard earned money on a bad session..
As far as your link you posted and since you are posting links dealing with black males WHY not post the link of 17 year old Trayron Martin being heard crying and screaming for help on a 911 call right before he lost his LIFE base on what? His skin color? And someone saying he LOOK like he is up to no good? When he was just walking to visit his Father and talking to his girlfriend on his cellphone? Many things on that link you posted ONLY promote and prey on the unwarranted and the fears and views that many people without merit have when it comes to people that are different then them and that NEVER walk a day in anyone else shoes other then their owns.
The funny thing is many girls I have met and have been friends with over many decades will try to shy away maybe from seeing a male that is black for business $$ (just to keep and please their other tricks and keep them happy so the money can keep on coming into them) BUT in their private life ALL they want to date and want to be around and won't charge a dime to do so are with are black males LOL
Also, since you brought up a so called former Black ex hooker (if it is one) LOL having a " No Blacks Allowed" policy? LOL that is funny because 99% of the time that isn't her policy that is her BLACK P. I. M. P. Policy LOL I am willing to bet that could be how he met her and got her turned out selling her body hell, most black P.I.M.P.S. are so afraid that another black male is going to take his girl from him that he doesn't allow her to have a session with a black male ... he isn't worry about that with any other race .. many hookers have found it to be a lot easy to prey and robbed and get more money out of a trick that is NON-black and they put up less of a fight then a black male. I am sure that wasn't in your link you posted...besides lol you have to take who wrote that link with a grain of salt lol but ( you will have many that take what was posted in that link like it came right from out of the bible like it is the truth ) lol
I spent over 10 years in the Navy and I have travel the world for business and lived in Vegas and LA and go to South Beach a lot and monger everywhere many of these so called hookers on their off duty time love to party and dance and listen to black music and hang out with black males and MOST have or had black boyfriends or even have a mixed "black baby" most of their black boyfriends don't want them to session with black males lol besides many of them could worry about not making as much money if their non-black tricks see them session with many non-whites ( I have heard this many times in the past before)...
Kid Cisco
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1264340]Who cares if the girls or the club discriminates?
When I go to Japan. I can't get into many of the Soaplands there because I'm American (Gaigin). I don't blame the Japanese for this discrimination. I figure it has something to do with too many Gaijin causing problems in the Soaps. Oh well, I have to go other places.
Girls should be allowed to fuck whomever they please. If they don't like fat guys, or Americans, or non-white guys, that is their prerogative. Some people insist that the FKK's shouldn't allow girls who discriminate to work in their clubs. I disagree with this. We are not trying to solve the racial injustices of this world in this diversion known as "mongering". As an FKK owner I wouldn't turn away a woman who has a "10" body and provides wonderful GFE just because she refuses to fuck certain customers.
If a girl refuses to fuck a fat guy but she'll fuck me, I'm not going to turn her down because she discriminates. If she refuses to fuck a non-white guy but she'll fuck me. I won't turn her down because she discriminates. Mongering is not the time or place for these kinds of heavy-headed thoughts. If a girl turns me down but is willing to go with someone else. I say "more power" to the guy that gets her, he should go with her if he finds her attractive and willing.
By the way. I found this as an interesting article from a former prostitute who worked in New Orleans. She explains the "No Blacks Allowed" policy that some American hookers adhere to and the reasons why. Note. That she even claims that even black hookers will turn down blacks. It's an interesting read.
[url]http://maggiemcneill.wordpress.com/2010/09/18/black-men/[/url][/QUOTE]You know what? Now this really beats all! You made a post about moving on and letting things go and getting back to the reports about the clubs (which people had already done) , and then you go and post some BS like this here? With a picture of O. J. Simpson and Nicole Brown-Simpson? What does any of that have to do with mongering? If these "heady discussions" aren't appropriate for this forum, then why did you post this here? Oh I see. So now the message is that the "violent" men of color will "rough up" the white women in the FKKs if they are allowed in? But what about those regular white guys that the one girl told me about when I was there? The ones that like to come into Golden Time and slap the girls around when doing the deed? Does being white make that right? Or at least something to be overlooked? The overwhelming majority of white people who are subjected to violence or killed are harmed by other white people. This is absolutely outrageous.
Even though she tries to disavow it, this is nothing more than the pure prejudice of a Southern white girl shining through, and I see you didn't disagree with her either, or with a bunch of self-hating black prostitutes. And talk about flawed logic. I'm still waiting for an answer on how it is that the women of Golden Time are somehow better judges of character than the women at any other club in Germany are. Are they born with that skill? Is it taught to them during the screening process? Or, do they magically acquire that skill once selected to work in that particular club? Or, maybe they picked it up from the blog entry you posted?
The bottom line is that some people don't get it and they never, ever will. And why? Because they don't want to. It's as simple as that. They don't give a rip since they know that the offending behavior will never happen to them. Let's keep it real. Two-thirds of the girls you approach in the club aren't going to turn you down just because you're white. And if they did, you sure as hell wouldn't like it one iota, and would call it a hostile environment too. You're a human being subject to the same human emotions as anybody else. People should stop trying to invalidate the real-world experiences of others and try walking a few miles in somebody else's shoes for a change. Man, man, man. People are a trip!
[QUOTE=Kid Cisco; 1264358]BUT I do have a problem when there are excuses made for them to have those views. I rather for them to just post a sign that says and state their views. This way a person won't have to waste their time and money $$ flying for hours and investing in hotels costs and taxi fare ONLY to find out the place he is interesting in going to won't serve him base on his skin color.
Kid Cisco[/QUOTE]But we know it will never happen. I don't know the law in Germany, but as somebody else here suggested, it very well may be illegal to deny entry based on race, ethnicity, etc. Given the legacy of the Third Reich that modern-day Germany must live under and would like to leave behind, I wouldn't be surprised if there is something in the law that would be applicable regarding this. But even more importantly than that, the reason why it won't happen is that racists are cowards. To openly post such a policy would draw the ire and scorn of people from far and wide, starting in Germany itself. The individuals behind such a policy would then have to look at themselves in the mirror with shame. And admit to who and what they are. So, instead what we get are the games (we're full) and the denials. And then when the denials don't work anymore, here come all of the justifications, such as in the offensive blog that was posted.
I guess different people have different views. Which they are entitled to. As I am to my views. Well I've expressed them and intend to keep mongering as a hobby, NOT a political statement.
Hi I'm posting from cologne. In response to your question how do I see women outside of the fkk arena<< I see them as holographic anti matter residue from the remains of a distant supernova in its latter stages of maturity! LOL I hope that answers it.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1264380]But we know it will never happen. I don't know the law in Germany, but as somebody else here suggested, it very well may be illegal to deny entry based on race, ethnicity, etc. Given the legacy of the Third Reich that modern-day Germany must live under and would like to leave behind, I wouldn't be surprised if there is something in the law that would be applicable regarding this.[/QUOTE]Can we discuss this topic without referring to the Third Reich? War is over, it's 2012 and not 1945. No one should forget what happened in these terrible times, but it has NOTHING to do with a discussion around discrimination.
In Germany (as in most other countries) there's laws around discrimination. It's the AGG (Allgemeines Gleichbehandlungsgesetz / General Act on Equal Treatment) :
[url]http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/agg/BJNR189710006.html[/url]
[quote]Ziel des Gesetzes ist, Benachteiligungen aus Gründen der Rasse oder wegen der ethnischen Herkunft, des Geschlechts, der Religion oder Weltanschauung, einer Behinderung, des Alters oder der sexuellen Identität zu verhindern oder zu beseitigen.[/quote]English:
[quote]The purpose of this Act is to prevent or to stop discrimination on the grounds of race or ethnic origin, gender, religion.
Or belief, disability, age or sexual orientation.[/QUOTE]So a club (restaurant, hote, discotheque, bar) will never tell you why you are being denied entry. They will just use their "Hausrecht" (householder's rights) and not let you in. It's their right as it is their property. Period. I have seen Dutch white caucasian guys turned away at PHG, they looked decent and where not drunk. Happens. It's the club's decision. If you feel discriminated. Don't go there.
[url]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hausrecht[/url]
HB
[QUOTE=The Cane;1264380]But we know it will never happen. I don't know the law in Germany, but as somebody else here suggested, it very well may be illegal to deny entry based on race, ethnicity, etc. Given the legacy of the Third Reich that modern-day Germany must live under and would like to leave behind, I wouldn't be surprised if there is something in the law that would be applicable regarding this. But even more importantly than that, the reason why it won't happen is that racists are cowards. To openly post such a policy would draw the ire and scorn of people from far and wide, starting in Germany itself. The individuals behind such a policy would then have to look at themselves in the mirror with shame. And admit to who and what they are. So, instead what we get are the games (we're full) and the denials. And then when the denials don't work anymore, here come all of the justifications, such as in the offensive blog that was posted.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HB]Can we discuss this topic without referring to the Third Reich? War is over, it's 2012 and not 1945. No one should forget what happened in these terrible times, but it has NOTHING to do with a discussion around discrimination.[/QUOTE]You know, as a foreigner with German residency, a student of history, and a human being, I'm as much for holding the people of my resident country to a high (even higher) moral standard than most other peoples. AND, I also believe that by and large, German people get pretty doggone high marks in this regard.
Taking all of that into consideration, it is a bit infuriating to read complaints from a bunch of *dogs about being mistreated in D'land's sex clubs and using this to spew self-righteous indignation about Teutonic morals having been slow to advance since the fourties.
Mr. Cane, I am truly sorry that you may have been slighted at a club where, for what it's worth, the last time I was there, had mostly non German personnel working the place, and where that VAST majority of WGs were also non-German. But my friend, I also find it in rather poor taste to pull the Third Reich card in this instance. If you have a legitimate beef with Germany or German actions in the world today and wish to pull that card, then I'm happy to listen. But when you walk the moral tightrope that we ALL walk in these places or when we engage in this "hobby", then it takes a good deal of chutzpah to cry foul in the manner that you have. Plus it takes away from genuine discussions about actual incidents of discrimination. Do you honestly think these girls haven't been victims of sexism, raciscm, discrimination, abuse, etc. Etc? Read some of the reports here about Romanian girls being sharks and cheats.
How can we REALLY be so offended if a girl in a club decides that she doesn't want to give us a hummer because of the way we look, how we smell, how tall or short we are, the tone of our skin, how big our cocks are, how fat or thin we are etc. Ladies often make decision in real life as to whom they will sleep with based on these same standards. I guess by the standards and morals of some here, these "working girls" shouldn't have the luxury of deciding who, how and how much. Curious how you would feel, Mr. Cane if the roles were reversed.
Peace and love,
Dedalus, who tend to be more critical of the stubbornness of the folks at the various German "Aemter" that he has to deal with these days.
I'm sorry HB, but I totally disagree. You see, that sad past history is DIRECTLY responsible for what Germany strives to be as a nation today. It has some very strict laws around racial discrimination and hate crimes, and I know they are enforced too. That's a direct outcome of what happened in the 20th Century.
And Mr. Dedalus, I have no clue what you're talking about. This is no "stab" at Germany and German people. If anything, it's saying something good about them. The overwhelming majority don't want their country to be what it was, and they strive for something better. I said that the staff at GT treated me exceedingly well. I've been with German girls at other clubs. Why don't you actually READ and consider EXACTLY what I wrote and stop creating stuff that's not there and was not said? Not even insinuated! Nobody needs to force their standards upon Germany. Germany is a LEADER in this. Can we not have an intelligent conversation here?
My point was that given a criminal leadership (the Third Reich) that turned Germany into a pariah nation, and given that I know that Germany has some very strict laws around discrimination, hate, and so on as a result, there is a good chance that there might be something on the books that could come into play when certain establishments don't admit others based on race, ethnicity, etc. No HB, Germany's past history has EVERYTHING to do with what Germany strives to be today in the 21st century today as one of the world's leading nations.
You know, I don't care if you guys are uncomfortable with this discussion. Another monger who is Asian wrote that he didn't have such a "golden" time at Golden Time either. I could feel his hurt, and I felt really, really bad for him. So, I decided to re-post about my own experience. This time with a lot more details. And I don't care if it makes you feel uncomfortable you see. Because in the end, you ultimately don't care that I was in that hostile environment for 6 hours. You don't care that what might happen to others who go there will never happen to you. So, now you can take reading a few posts that make YOU feel uncomfortable. Walk a mile in somebody else's shoes. That's what it usually takes to lead to some good understanding of people who are different from you. And to change.
[QUOTE=Dedalus;1264898]How can we REALLY be so offended if a girl in a club decides that she doesn't want to give us a hummer because of the way we look, how we smell, how tall or short we are, the tone of our skin, how big our cocks are, how fat or thin we are etc. Ladies often make decision in real life as to whom they will sleep with based on these same standards. I guess by the standards and morals of some here, these "working girls" shouldn't have the luxury of deciding who, how and how much. .[/QUOTE]What more to say? Well said Dedalus. And with that hopefully this topic can be put to rest.
Cane-you certainly can be right about your being discriminated against. But really, just strike the club off your list. I have for various reasons only one of which is Angus' dubious moral stand against the apparent door policy. Mostly it sounds to me like a crowded club. I prefer a less populated local.
AM
[QUOTE=The Cane;1264908]Can we not have an intelligent conversation here?[/QUOTE]Offhand, I'd say no.
I love the Germans, the people living there, their long history giving us Goethe, Bach, Beethoven, Hegel etc, love their cars, the way they organize things!
B30
Before fixing a half houe appointment with the girl, where and how do you ask the girl whether she is ready for DFK / kissing / GFE?
On the couch? Without having to pay her 50Euro?
I am a first timer to FKK
[QUOTE=Big30; 1265026]He was born in Frankfurt so these quotes are very relevant!
"Man soll nur reden, wo man nicht schweigen darf; und nur von dem reden, was man überwunden hat, alles andere ist Geschwätz,"Literatur", Mangel an Zucht."
Friedrich Nietzsche (often misinterpreted.) [/QUOTE]Paul Verlaine expresses the basically (formally?) the same sentiment in "Art poétique", but a bit more wonderfully daffy and certainly less to the point than that Nietzsche dude.
[url]http://poesie.webnet.fr/lesgrandsclassiques/poemes/paul_verlaine/art_poetique.html[/url]
Cheers,
Dedalus, who enjoys studying the scribes in between doink sessions in the clubs
[QUOTE=Praj4; 1265021]Before fixing a half houe appointment with the girl, where and how do you ask the girl whether she is ready for DFK / kissing / GFE?
On the couch? Without having to pay her 50Euro?[/QUOTE]You will find it all natural enough. As you talk to the girl, sooner or later the talk will turn to whether or not you will be taking her to the room, or not. She may, or may not, have her hand on her dick. Be strong. This is the time to ask her whether she is open for what you want. Don't be shy, she has heard it all before, will probably appreciate it, because it gives her an idea what is important for you. It would be wise to think seriously whether you want to take her if she is not open for kissing or BBBJ, because these are standard at most FKKs. If you want anything she does not offer she will probably tell you straight. Just retreat politely.
You are certainly not obliged to pay her EUR 50 at this stage. As a general rule, you will have committed if your dick enters her mouth. If you don't intend to take her, you would avoid possible recriminations if you didn't take too much advantage of her attempts to kiss you.
Don't think about it too much. You will be fine, just go for it, and let us know how you get on. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Toscana;1265059]You will find it all natural enough <snip> She may, or may not, have her hand on her dick. Be strong.[/QUOTE]Damn Tosc, what clubs have you now been visiting.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1264919]Cane-you certainly can be right about your being discriminated against. But really, just strike the club off your list. I have for various reasons only one of which is Angus' dubious moral stand against the apparent door policy. Mostly it sounds to me like a crowded club. I prefer a less populated local.
AM[/QUOTE]Thank you AM for not simply invalidating my experience (and those of others) with a bunch of excuses and prejudiced, illogical arguments. I most certainly have struck Golden Time from my list. I felt bad for the other guy, and I just thought it was worth it for others to know what they might face. And I do believe you are right about the crowding. I went to GT on a weekday, and as more and more customers started to come in, even on a slower weekday the place felt crowded and hot.
I wrote in my original review of the club (I believe it was in there) that I couldn't imagine what it would be like at GT on a packed weekend night. As I have noted elsewhere, one of the girls told me about interminable waits for beds and girls taking clients into the toilet rooms to have standing up sex. Golden Time had the best food of any FKK I have been too, and the pricing was certainly competitive.
Upon my return to Germany, I intend to embark on a major tour of that country, a place where the overwhelming majority of the people have treated me with courtesy and respect. My issue is with one establishment and one establishment only in all of Germany, and certainly was not meant in anyway to be some sort of attack against the German people as a whole, who I find to be some of the most open and accepting people in the world. Well, the women anyway haha! And the fact that virtually all Germans who I meet anywhere speak excellent English makes being there very, very easy for a non-native German speaker such as myself.
If you or anybody else out there reading knows of any clubs that have earned the same reputation that Golden Time has, then I would appreciate it if you would PM me with that information. I will be sure to take what you say under advisement as I think about where I would like to go during my tour of Germany.
I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.
I have took some on line tests which I an on the borders of such a category. However I am dubious at their method to determine addiction. For example have you ever carried an activity related to sex which is illegal. The answer to such a question would be yes in many countries but no if you lived in Germany. This makes me think are these tests devised by right wing religious fanatics. Also I wonder I am abnormal to be attracted to beautiful young girls as I believe that 75% of normal males if they had resources and freedom would behave as I do. Are males like Tiger Woods and DSK normal. At this stage I am trying to decide should help my offspring and hire a psycho analyst (at maybe another $10k per year) or continue supporting Romanian economy.
I exchanged some money prior to my first trip to Germany, and I got a bunch of 20 Euro notes. Will the FKK be able to give me 50 Euro notes in exchange?
[QUOTE=Henio;1265060]Damn Tosc, what clubs have you now been visiting.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Tosc]You will find it all natural enough <snip> She may, or may not, have her hand on her dick. Be strong.[/QUOTE]And I'm supposed to go clubbing with this guy tomorrow. Hmmmm...
Cheers,
Dedalus
A big thank you for the Verlaine and Nietzsche. Much appreciated.
As for the history of Germany. I want to add that as a UK citizen, I am not proud of my country's xenophobic and chauvinistic prejudice and bigotry, especially in the present and recent decades.
Oh, and I've been discriminated against as I have a big nose, and am vegan.
[QUOTE=Amended;1265162]I exchanged some money prior to my first trip to Germany, and I got a bunch of 20 Euro notes. Will the FKK be able to give me 50 Euro notes in exchange?[/QUOTE]Sorry to hear that. No, the club won't exchange those bills anymore since they are no longer in circulation. The 5's and 10's are still accepted as well as the bigger note's (50, 100). I'm suprised you didn't get the new 25 euro note, how long ago was your trip? Those 20's have been out of circulation now for some time. Its possible a bank might take those's 20's, problem is I don't speak euro. You could try cutting them in half or fourth's and try saying they are 10 euro or 5 euro note's maybe (kidding, don't do that). I used google. De (strange language on that webpage) and found the last date to exchange is May 1st.
I am coming voer for business April 27th and I want to spend that weekend venturing into the FKK Clubs.
Will these clubs be in operation over this weekend since Monday is a Holiday in Europe? Just checking as I have been severly burned in the past by trying to hobby on country holiday such as the following:
Thialand. Kings Birthday.
Brazil. Carnaval.
These were Holidays wherer the particular establishments I wanted to go to closed early or were barely attended or were not open.
Is the last weekend in April a bad weekend to hit the FKK's in Germany due to the memorial day weekend and the May 1st Holiday?
[QUOTE=Ilink; 1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.
I have took some on line tests which I an on the borders of such a category. However I am dubious at their method to determine addiction. For example have you ever carried an activity related to sex which is illegal. The answer to such a question would be yes in many countries but no if you lived in Germany. This makes me think are these tests devised by right wing religious fanatics. Also I wonder I am abnormal to be attracted to beautiful young girls as I believe that 75% of normal males if they had resources and freedom would behave as I do. Are males like Tiger Woods and DSK normal. At this stage I am trying to decide should help my offspring and hire a psycho analyst (at maybe another $10k per year) or continue supporting Romanian economy.[/QUOTE]If you spent $10k on FKKs and your total income during that time period was $20k, then you're definitely an addict. If it was $200k, then it's a quite manageable hobby. As for whether it's better to help out your adult children, it's basically a question of what would give you more satisfaction ("psychic income") , and it's something only you can decide, knowing their specific situation and your relationship with them.
I wouldn't bother with online tests, I think they're totally worthless.
[QUOTE=Ilink;1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.[/QUOTE]Do both. $3k for each kid, give them $250 bucks a month to help them through tough times. That will help them pay the rent and keep their heads above water without giving them too much at once to blow. That leaves you with $4k for a trip to Germany. If your paying for a ticket, that's a grand to the airline ceo of your choice and $3k to spend as you will at the clubs. Your not going to take it with ya, sooner or later those two kids of your will throw your ass in a nursing home and the state will take what's left of your money.
Now if both your kids are boys, the other option is to take them both to Germany with you. Buying them a hooker shows how much you love them.
[QUOTE=Ilink; 1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby but I am wondering is it really or am I a sex addict. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc). I also have another dilemma as two of my children are not doing well economically and I feel that instead of helping the Germany economy or to be more correct the Romanian economy I should be helping them financially.
I have took some on line tests which I an on the borders of such a category. However I am dubious at their method to determine addiction. For example have you ever carried an activity related to sex which is illegal. The answer to such a question would be yes in many countries but no if you lived in Germany. This makes me think are these tests devised by right wing religious fanatics. Also I wonder I am abnormal to be attracted to beautiful young girls as I believe that 75% of normal males if they had resources and freedom would behave as I do. Are males like Tiger Woods and DSK normal. At this stage I am trying to decide should help my offspring and hire a psycho analyst (at maybe another $10k per year) or continue supporting Romanian economy.[/QUOTE]Personally I have a hard time with behavioural addiction, as opposed to substance addictions. Behavioural addictions (sex, gambling, internet) can have quite a hold on your life. I am not saying that they can not be strong and also destructive. But really, if one wants to stop, one stops. The brain does produce chemicals that are measurable when you do the activity, and you will feel some amount of psychological withdrawal, but it is nothing like trying to kick a heroin habit, or nicotine for that matter.
Psychology, and thus psychologists, though love to add disorders and addictions to the list of thing that they can treat and from which they will try to cure you. Indeed I have even known people who I was certain were "addicted" to seeing psychologists. Were you to enroll yourself in therapy for this no doubt the shrink would find intimacy issues, mother issues, get you to confess a secret fear of "adult" women and a whole list of other reasons for your behaviour. What I would tend to say to you though is-maybe you just like young pussy and have decided to pursue it is a fairly responsible manner and pay for it.
That'll be 150 please. ;)
It sounds to me as if you are reasonable aware of the financial cost of this pursuit and nothing is out of control in your spending. As the other poster said, much depends upon what percentage of your income you are spending and if it is impacting the rest of your life negatively. That you see you could also funnel some funds towards helping out the kids is admirable. As was suggested, maybe cut down a little and do a bit of both. But if you enjoy your activities I would carry on to some extent. After all, Romania's economy could depend on it.
AM
[quote=toscana;1265059]she may, or may not, have her hand on her dick. be strong.[/quote][quote=henio;1265060]damn tosc, what clubs have you now been visiting.[/quote]man, you're right. got to stop. told myself that the last time she started blowing herself. gross, i tell you. she couldn't get a peep out of it.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1265708]Personally I have a hard time with behavioural addiction, as opposed to substance addictions. Behavioural addictions (sex, gambling, internet) can have quite a hold on your life. I am not saying that they can not be strong and also destructive. But really, if one wants to stop, one stops. The brain does produce chemicals that are measurable when you do the activity, and you will feel some amount of psychological withdrawal, but it is nothing like trying to kick a heroin habit, or nicotine for that matter.
Psychology, and thus psychologists, though love to add disorders and addictions to the list of thing that they can treat and from which they will try to cure you. Indeed I have even known people who I was certain were "addicted" to seeing psychologists. Were you to enroll yourself in therapy for this no doubt the shrink would find intimacy issues, mother issues, get you to confess a secret fear of "adult" women and a whole list of other reasons for your behaviour. What I would tend to say to you though is-maybe you just like young pussy and have decided to pursue it is a fairly responsible manner and pay for it.
AM[/QUOTE]I feel the same way. Sometimes I feel like people are just trying to shirk personal responsibility for their behavior (or other people are trying to help them shirk responsibility) with all of this sex addiction stuff, with Tiger Woods being a very high-profile example. He just wanted to bang a lot of women besides his wife is all, and he got caught doing what a lot of other men do actually. So, he has a "sex addiction" because he got caught. And all the other guys? They have evening appointments with the tutes of their choice LOL!
[QUOTE=The Cane;1265802]I feel the same way. Sometimes I feel like people are just trying to shirk personal responsibility for their behavior (or other people are trying to help them shirk responsibility) with all of this sex addiction stuff, with Tiger Woods being a very high-profile example. He just wanted to bang a lot of women besides his wife is all, and he got caught doing what a lot of other men do actually. So, he has a "sex addiction" because he got caught. And all the other guys? They have evening appointments with the tutes of their choice LOL![/QUOTE]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex, just think about how much money are spend by people on ISG.
Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.
The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.
But I guess our lust and selfishness are ranking higher.
Actually the ISG forum is also enhancing this lust, we keep reading about new sex adventures, new places and new girls so we want to try them out.
It's a never ending story. Sex addiction yes!
Maybe Tiger Woods is a ISG member? Do you think they will let him in at GT.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex.
Actually the ISG forum is also enhancing this lust, we keep reading about new sex adventures, new places and new girls so we want to try them out.
It's a never ending story. Sex addiction yes![/QUOTE]I swear I am NOT a SEX ADDICT! I am just in a constant state of withdrawl.
And BTW: the sad but ironic fact is: if Tiger Woods ever did show up at the GT Eingang with 60E in his hand, they probably would let him in immediately, and treat him as an honoured guest!
O
[QUOTE=Ortos;1266088]If Tiger Woods ever did show up at the GT Eingang with 60E in his hand, they probably would let him in immediately, and treat him as an honoured guest![/QUOTE]But the point is, he cannot! Or at least risks a high price. As he knows now. I am not famous, and thank God for that.
I remember one report here on ISG a few years back about when a famous German soccer player obviously took his foreign team mates (I am clearly not mentioning any names here) into an FKK club for a great night out, and immediately got his name splashed all over the board. Writer simply did not think that these guys also have a right to privacy. From ISG it is a very short step to Bild Zeitung and all the attendant publicity which can ruin a life.
If I lived in Germany and had the means to visit the big FKK clubs on a weekly basis would it loose the magic and would it become boring? 1) it would not loose the magic 2) it would never become boring 3) however it is not a practicable setup for me in life right now. Who knows what the future holds. LOL
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.
The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.[/QUOTE]I am a sad case. I can go for weeks without a bang if in my home country (sad) , and fail miserably to meet the 100+ standard due to too many repeats of the same girl, even the odd girlfriend fuck. I do admit to being a sex addict, at least part time. I am debating self at the moment, but will end up deciding to go to Oase, simply because haven't been there for a few weeks.
We can look at our donations as helping some of these girls retire from the life sooner. Some of my regular girls have retired already, e. G. Bee (Palace). She is doing well in a new country and new language.
Perhaps we would be helping world hunger better if we went mongering to Africa, Cambodia, etc. I am doing my bit with a regular help for a poor but honest ex-pro in a poor country where she is only semi-legal immigrant, and I don't even fuck her any more. She is like an adopted daughter now, as I have no real kids of my own. I keep telling her to find a good boyfriend, but she is incredibly suspicious of men.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex, just think about how much money are spend by people on ISG.
Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.
The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.
But I guess our lust and selfishness are ranking higher.
Actually the ISG forum is also enhancing this lust, we keep reading about new sex adventures, new places and new girls so we want to try them out.
It's a never ending story. Sex addiction yes!
Maybe Tiger Woods is a ISG member? Do you think they will let him in at GT.[/QUOTE]To have an addiction is to engage in some repeated behavior that has adverse consequences. The "adverse consequences" aspect of it is essential in order for the behavior to qualify as an addiction. So in my view, as long as your bills are paid and your investments are made (meaning that you can really afford to do what you are doing) , and as long as there are no other potential adverse outcomes in your life (a ruined marriage, arrests for soliciting tutes where it is illegal, etc.) , then there is no addiction. I'm just saying that I don't think that mongering in and of itself should automatically qualify as an addiction. If there are no real potential adverse consequences as a result of the behavior, then by definition there is no addiction.
I suppose that all of us are exposed to some type of "risk" I guess that could lead to an outcome we don't want. But little in life is completely risk-free I don't think. And sure, the money could be spent elsewhere, but the same can be said for other things that we buy for our personal satisfaction and pleasure. You can drive a Hyundai instead of a Lexus. You can rent a room instead of take out a mortgage on a big house with nice furnishings. And you can eat a steady diet of Ramen noodles rather than have steak and caviar. The savings could then be used to help somebody less fortunate than you are.
The point is that we make all kinds of decisions about how to spend our money, and the fact that we choose to spend some if it on fucking women doesn't make us any more or less selfish than somebody who decides to buy himself an expensive BMW and a closet full of nice business suits and ties, as opposed to donating that money to charity. That's how I see it anyway. Why just pick on us mongers? Oh, because it's immoral. Well, that's another discussion for another time. And hopefully not here!
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1265910]I believe every ISG members are more more or less addicted to sex, just think about how much money are spend by people on ISG.
Some guys are banging 100+ girls a year.
The money can be spend on better causes like helping our family or supporting children in Africa.
But I guess our lust and selfishness are ranking higher.[/QUOTE]I'm not sure I can agree with this statement. I am not saying that there aren't any sex addicts on the board, but I don't think most of us would fall into that category.
I think sex / procreation is a driving factor for humans, and therefore very prevalent in our thoughts. I don't think that makes us addicts. I think there are a lot of people out there ready to exploit that fact to make us feel guilty (and therefore pay) , and I think there are people who use sex addiction as an excuse if they get caught in a betrayal of trust.
As far as the money goes; I find that often money spent on a session is much less than it would cost to just take a girl out on a date; so I don't really see it as wasting excess money. I am sure we can all look at our spending habits in all areas of our lives (not just at the clubs) and consider whether this money could be better spent; either helping our families, supporting children in Africa, or a number of worthwhile causes.
I'd say you have an addiction if you are spending more than you can afford on sex. I.E., you can't pay rent this month; therefore you have a problem. Other than that, I think some people just choose visits to an FKK as their form of recreation vs the cost of a membership to a golf course this season or maybe a new convertible.
[QUOTE=Oralover; 1266389]I'm not sure I can agree with this statement. I am not saying that there aren't any sex addicts on the board, but I don't think most of us would fall into that category.
I think sex / procreation is a driving factor for humans, and therefore very prevalent in our thoughts. I don't think that makes us addicts. I think there are a lot of people out there ready to exploit that fact to make us feel guilty (and therefore pay) , and I think there are people who use sex addiction as an excuse if they get caught in a betrayal of trust.
As far as the money goes; I find that often money spent on a session is much less than it would cost to just take a girl out on a date; so I don't really see it as wasting excess money. I am sure we can all look at our spending habits in all areas of our lives (not just at the clubs) and consider whether this money could be better spent; either helping our families, supporting children in Africa, or a number of worthwhile causes.
I'd say you have an addiction if you are spending more than you can afford on sex. I. E, you can't pay rent this month; therefore you have a problem. Other than that, I think some people just choose visits to an FKK as their form of recreation vs the cost of a membership to a golf course this season or maybe a new convertible.[/QUOTE]Everything is relative.
Is smoking an addiction, normally you are not spending more money on smoking than you can afford.
The idea of take a girl on a date is to get free sex afterwards it's an investment, most of the time she won't fuck on the first date.
Luckily many of us are not living near a FKK / PT club.
Believe me I've talked to Dutch and German guys who admitted they are addicted, they came in the club a few times a week. And they were cutting
Down other daily expenses to have enough money to visit the girls.
How many of us are trying to save a few euro by using public transport til and from the clubs or not buying breakfast or dinner. And then spend more on tipping the girls, it's a personal choice of cause.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1267204]I agree with Angus. In general I feel quite a number of posts on this board (FKK) go against the 'pay6 internet forum' rules, that seem selfevident on many of the bigger, local boards. Maybe this has to do with the lack of 'active' moderation, but on other boards I never read any names of FKK girls that offer AO or people mentioning real names. Many girls tell me their real name, without me looking for it, but I would never post it online. If I would, in most places it would be delated by the end of the day if not hour (the same goes for outing other forum members).[/QUOTE]You made a good and very valid point, more in general but especially for this board.
Private info of the girls (real names, place of birth, where they live, education, family status etc.) should not be allowed. The relevance of this info is also zero, not to mention the possibility of identification. Same is true for AO in "normal" sauna-Fkk clubs. Yes it may happen although in my opinion it is absolutely not done, but this info should not be published on a board.
Clearly identification depends also on the info. When I write that a girl working in Artemis lives in Berlin one could argue no big beal, a Romanian girl from Bucharest OK (they all say they are form Bucharest although often they are from small villages) , but if I write that a girl working in GT lives in the small Village X. 10 km's from GT and drives a Golf Cabrio identification is relatively easy.
B30
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1266537]Everything is relative.
Is smoking an addiction, normally you are not spending more money on smoking than you can afford.
The idea of take a girl on a date is to get free sex afterwards it's an investment, most of the time she won't fuck on the first date.
Luckily many of us are not living near a FKK / PT club.
Believe me I've talked to Dutch and German guys who admitted they are addicted, they came in the club a few times a week. And they were cutting
Down other daily expenses to have enough money to visit the girls.
How many of us are trying to save a few euro by using public transport til and from the clubs or not buying breakfast or dinner. And then spend more on tipping the girls, it's a personal choice of cause.[/QUOTE]Nille, I do admit that I fall into the category of a sex-addict. I think a lot of other ISG members do as well, you just can't admit it to yourself! Why do I think I'm addicted?
Well, what amuses me when I read a lot of comments and reports is that many of you are discussing how they can walk from ie. Friedrichsdorf station towards Oase, or the most economical way of transport / accomodation. There must be something seriously wrong when people are discussing how to avoid paying 10 E for a cab, when their expenses at a FKK exceeds this amount multiplied with 50 or more! Please don't get me wrong, I don't pay for a 5 star hotel when I'm very content with the Ibis next to Palace, but that's simply just because I know I'm not going to spend a lot of my time at the hotel.
Signs of me being an addict:
- After every trip I've made to FKK / nightclubs / brothels, I just can't be happy with myself if I don't have a new trip to look forward to.
- I don't like to go clubbing in my hometown, unless with a business supplier (that pays the bill) , because I would end up paying so much more on "normal" girls and without being sure if I get laid or not!
- I get a bit depressed when I get back from a trip to a FKK, not because the experience was bad, but that I know I have to wait a long time before next trip (one month at least LOL).
- I try to make my business travels to go where I know there's some sort of FKK / brothels.
- Most importantly I get this feeling that going to FKK / brothels is some sort of a drug habit for me. I just can't get enough!
Let me stress the fact that I have a sufficient salary that permit me to pay for these "excursions", the bills etc. I also pay a high pourcentage (20%) of my salary to my ex-wife and kids. So there's no real danger of me paying for something I can't afford, but I often think that the money spent on this hobby could have amounted to quite a considerable amount of savings. But then again, I think that I could be dead in an accident tomorrow so why not enjoy life while you can?
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1267544]Well, what amuses me when I read a lot of comments and reports is that many of you are discussing how they can walk from ie. Friedrichsdorf station towards Oase, or the most economical way of transport / accomodation. There must be something seriously wrong when people are discussing how to avoid paying 10 E for a cab, when their expenses at a FKK exceeds this amount multiplied with 50 or more! Please don't get me wrong, I don't pay for a 5 star hotel when I'm very content with the Ibis next to Palace, but that's simply just because I know I'm not going to spend a lot of my time at the hotel.[/QUOTE]Do you taxi from Palace back to the Ibis? Or do you walk? Looks to be a 7 minute walk from the Ibis to Palace, what's the difference between that walk and a 20 minute walk from a train station to Oase?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1267563]Do you taxi from Palace back to the Ibis? Or do you walk?[/QUOTE]What kind of question is this? Of course I would walk, anything else would be stupid, besides the big diffence is that the road to walk from Palace to the Ibis hotel is merely 4 min. by foot and the cab ride would probably take longer, if you intend to get to the front entrance of the Ibis.
Believe me when I say I often choose to walk / cycle instead of driving when I'm home, not because of economical reasons, but because it's simply good to walk! I probably hit a sore spot with my comment on walking to Oase, but the fact is I would never bother walking in a strange countryside area just to save 10 E.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1267568]I probably hit a sore spot with my comment on walking to Oase, but the fact is I would never bother walking in a strange countryside area just to save 10 E.[/QUOTE]You make it sound like such a risk. I've never done it myself but it actually looks like it would be an interesting walk, get to walk thru a small city (who hasn't done some sightseeing) and a short stroll thru the countryside. Its not like your going to get lost either, walk to the east until your over the freeway and start looking for the club. If the Mercure was by that station, I'm sure you'd have plenty of guys taking that walk thru the countryside. I've done many a clubs where I've purposefully booked a hotel on the other side of town, gives one the chance to sight-see while on the way to the club. Yeah I could have grabbed a taxi or driven my car and went the long way around but it was interesting to take a look around.
Yeah, I've walked to Oase a bunch of times, usually from the Burholzhausen station. It is a nice area (allthough the walk from Friedrichsdorf bahnhof has you going through an industrial area; if you're walking getting of at Seulberg will give you a nicer walk) , but the last bit you'll be walking along a road that sometimes is used by the locals to see how well their cars can handle corners. Last time I was picked up by a cabbie on the way, who was going to Oase anyway; it's not like I had any other pausible destination.
I wouldn't say this means I'm addicted though (there might be other things that do *wink*). I'm also likely to buy the beer that is on sale and that doesn't make me an alcoholic (the fact that I regularly wake up under a bridge does *kidding!*).
Hello,. I have hobbied on 4 continents and I have contributed to this forum and others over the past several years. My one and only trip to an FKK was last year when I spent a weekend at Oase. It was probably the best hobby experience of my life. I have had great times in Rio and BA Argentina and Montreal but Oase was great. 3 chicks a day over the weekend is hard to beat.
Now for my question. I will be heading over to Europe for a business meeting on a Friday in Antwerpen and then I have a long weekend prior to another meeting in Italy the next week. I can rent a car and go pretty much where ever I want to go. I remember that Antwerp was a 5 or 6 hour drive from Oase. Is it worth the long drive to go to Oase or are the clubs more adjacent to Belgium such as Golden Times just as good? What are the differences between the World / Oase clubs and Golden Time and others clubs adjacent to Belgium? Can you suggest a few clubs that are as good as Oase closer to Antwerp?
Number of Girls / Choice?
Cost / value.
Hours the clubs are open.
Room availability and size of the grounds.
Atmosphere.
Thanks in advance for your comments
[QUOTE=Ilink;1265093]I would like some members views on following:I like the way some refer to visiting FKK clubs a a hobby. I spend about $10k visiting German FKK clubs (includes flights accommodation etc).[/QUOTE]Hi Ilink,
When you say you spend $10K visiting German FKK clubs, is that per trip or is that per year?
To give context, on my last trip I spent over $4K (including flights, accomodation, car hire). I mean the FKK club entry fees alone was $500. This can be a usual spend on a trip. Also, I read a report some time ago how someone spent 11K in the clubs on one trip.
You are making me feel scared that I am addicted as well.
[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1267730]Hello. I have hobbied on 4 continents and I have contributed to this forum and others over the past several years. My one and only trip to an FKK was last year when I spent a weekend at Oase. It was probably the best hobby experience of my life. I have had great times in Rio and BA Argentina and Montreal but Oase was great. 3 chicks a day over the weekend is hard to beat.
Now for my question. I will be heading over to Europe for a business meeting on a Friday in Antwerpen and then I have a long weekend prior to another meeting in Italy the next week. I can rent a car and go pretty much where ever I want to go. I remember that Antwerp was a 5 or 6 hour drive from Oase. Is it worth the long drive to go to Oase or are the clubs more adjacent to Belgium such as Golden Times just as good? What are the differences between the World / Oase clubs and Golden Time and others clubs adjacent to Belgium? Can you suggest a few clubs that are as good as Oase closer to Antwerp?
Number of Girls / Choice?
Cost / value.
Hours the clubs are open.
Room availability and size of the grounds.
Atmosphere.
Thanks in advance for your comments[/QUOTE]Truth is that these questions are answered over and over, with commentary & discussion, in the various threads of this board. It is sort of the purpose of the board. What the board is not about is someone asking a very general series of questions trying to extract the info with a minimum of effort. I think that you would find just browsing the forum, getting a few ideas for yourself, then coming back with a few more specific question (i. e. Show that you have put in some effort) you would find the member a great deal more forth coming with their info. After all, a guy who just asks the question you ask-how likely is it that he will then return with a report?
Not very.
AM
@Hungrystud: Stay in NRW and go to GT, VV, PHG and / or LR. The clubs are smaller (inside and most of them also re the garden) , they close earlier (at 1am) , but they hve good atmosphere, good lone up, cheaper prices for the girls and extras, and it's not worth the long drive to World or Oase. Have fun.
HB
Thanks Bub and to Angus.
Fair enough but I have to say the following:
I have been to Rio 4 times in the past 2 years. Please search reports of distinction in the Brazil thread. I have 4. I am disappointed because I wrote some other really entertaining reports that I thought were also worthy of this notoriety but I they were not nominated. I also have contributed several reports in The Erotic Review under Hungry 101 and I have over 1000 post on MERB. Ca also under hungry101. I consider Montreal my home court even though I have not been there in awhile. Now, everything I do in ISG and Argentina privates or the USA pretty much goes in MERB too so I can help my core of hobby friends there. Also, I documented all the details of my first trip to Oase both on ISG and MERB. I relish writing reports. It is what I live for. I love to help others. Sometimes I am writing the report in my head during the session. I just sessioned with an SP in Houston who forbade me to write a report and it is killing me.
I go through some of these threads and it is all fighting. I read through 4 pages of GT and it was about racism. Please check the reports of distinction in Brazil on ISG and you will find some very good reports. Even one of my poems made a report of distinction. True I was accused of Plagiarism when I wrote "The Charges to His Expense Account He Has Made" which sounded a lot like Tennyson's Charge of the Light Brigade" and "the Poem "GDPs" which sounded an awful lot like Kilmer's "Trees" (LOL). I found I enjoyed writing my reports as poems when I was so inspired by the beautiful pussy from South America. Without poetry some of my reports were sounding too impersonal and detached. I am particularly fond of the report in Argentina entitled 'The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" about my weekend in BA.
I promise good, detailed, entertaining reports based on my trials and tribulations
I'd go to GoldenTime, if it isn't a Friday or Saturday. If it is. Go to any other club close to the Netherlands.
HB
[QUOTE=Hungrystud101; 1267857]I go through some of these threads and it is all fighting. I read through 4 pages of GT and it was about racism. Please check the reports of distinction in Brazil on ISG and you will find some very good reports. Even one of my poems made a report of distinction. True I was accused of Plagiarism when I wrote "The Charges to His Expense Account He Has Made" which sounded a lot like Tennyson's Charge of the Light Brigade" and "the Poem "GDPs" which sounded an awful lot like Kilmer's "Trees" (LOL). I found I enjoyed writing my reports as poems when I was so inspired by the beautiful pussy from South America. Without poetry some of my reports were sounding too impersonal and detached. I am particularly fond of the report in Argentina entitled 'The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" about my weekend in BA.
I promise good, detailed, entertaining reports based on my trials and tribulations[/QUOTE]It's a quirky bunch, that's for sure.
Creative borrowing of grand poetic works shan't be tolerate here, my friend.
No "I Have a Gentle Cock" (title use to crack me up back in the day)
Or "His Golden Cock Time has to Sliver Turned"
Or "The Shagging did my Semen Spill."
Or "How do I love thee? Let me count the Euros"
Or "Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Girl"
You'll do fine.
Cheers,
Dedalus
P.S. HB knows better than most anyone, but in this case I'd say that the Hessen clubs are worth the journey.
[QUOTE=Dedalus; 1267954]It's a quirky bunch, that's for sure.
Creative borrowing of grand poetic works shan't be tolerate here, my friend.
No "I Have a Gentle Cock" (title use to crack me up back in the day)
Or "His Golden Cock Time has to Sliver Turned"
Or "The Shagging did my Semen Spill."
Or "How do I love thee? Let me count the Euros"
Or "Do Not Go Gentle into That Good Girl"
You'll do fine.
Cheers,
Dedalus.
P. S. HB knows better than most anyone, but in this case I'd say that the Hessen clubs are worth the journey.[/QUOTE]
Yes, HB helped a ton. I think I have to hit Planet Happy Garden just because I love the name. I have to decide if I will fly or drive to Italy. If I drive, I may stop off at World and then I am off to Italy by car. I think I will love all the clubs because I am from the United Sex Prison.
"How do I love the? Let me count the euros." I love this! I have to work this into my report.
Thanks again all!
[QUOTE=Hungrystud101;1268045]"How do I love the? Let me count the euros." I love this! I have to work this into my report.[/QUOTE]"How do I love thee? Let me count the Euros."
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1267781]Hi Ilink,
When you say you spend $10K visiting German FKK clubs, is that per trip or is that per year?
To give context, on my last trip I spent over $4K (including flights, accomodation, car hire). I mean the FKK club entry fees alone was $500. This can be a usual spend on a trip. Also, I read a report some time ago how someone spent 11K in the clubs on one trip.
You are making me feel scared that I am addicted as well.[/QUOTE]Hi Yakob,
As I don't have to travel from US I can do one day / night trips so $10 k per annam is feasible. Re spend of 11k on one trip chap must be a millionaire. A girl in Oase told me a punter one night took 20 girls for a session so there are guys with plenty dosh visiting clubs. I am glad to see that there are members who admit feel they may be addicted. However we are lucky to have to have a forum here like AA where we can bare our breasts and recount our experiences as a therapy for perhaps a cure. In my case I am going to follow the path of Saint Augustine who proclaimed "Grant me chastity and continence, only not yet."
[QUOTE=Ilink; 1268363]Hi Yakob,
As I don't have to travel from US I can do one day / night trips so $10 k per annam is feasible. Re spend of 11k on one trip chap must be a millionaire."[/QUOTE]Just to be clear, the 11k was over a continuous period of a few weeks. Given that we're talking about a several week period, that amount isn't totally out of line. Sure, if I lived in Germany, I would only spend a little time there once a week or every couple of weeks, but for those of us who travel from afar and can't get over to Germany as often as we like, we have to go a little crazy when we do make it over there since we can't get there that often.
Actually, I just checked my spreadsheet. That amount was spent over 18 visits. So, that's only about 700 Euros per visit (not including admission). I know I went a little overboard this last time. Next time I will probably be a bit more restrained.
I have a proposal for the guys that want a diversion from talking about girls. There are almost 20-50 new posts about FKK women and there is plenty of info. I propose a survey of purely facilities.
What is the best club in Europe for facilities? The general objective criteria would be as follows:
A) Entry price: 3 points. (expensive (75E) gets 1 and inexpensive (40 E) gets 3.
B) robes / towels: 1 or 0.
C) Lockers and showers: 1 or 0.
D) Food: 3 points (good, Ok and bad)
E) Price per 30 min: 3 points: less than 50 is 3, more than 60 is 1.
F) out door area and out door pool 1 or 0.
G) Steam room and sauna: 1 or 0.
H) good professional massage: 1 or 0.
I) easy to find rooms during peak hour: 1 or 0.
J) Number of girls: 3 points. 50 to 60 gets 2 points.
K) Alcohol in the bar: 1 or 0.
L) Easy to get to with public transport: 1 or 0.
In my book, GT in Vienna gets:
A) 1.
1.
1.
D) 2.
2.
1.
1.
H) 0.
1.
2.
1.
L) 1.
That is 14 out of 20 points and that is my fav FKK. Would love to see others pitch in.
Thank you.
Palace would score 13 points. Oase only 12. World also 12. Still I prefer the two over Palace.
HB
[QUOTE=Ilink;1268363]I am glad to see that there are members who admit feel they may be addicted. However we are lucky to have to have a forum here like AA where we can bare our breasts and recount our experiences as a therapy for perhaps a cure.[/QUOTE]Who says I'm looking for a cure? .
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1268882]I have a proposal for the guys that want a diversion from talking about girls. There are almost 20-50 new posts about FKK women and there is plenty of info. I propose a survey of purely facilities. In my book, GT in Vienna gets:
That is 14 out of 20 points and that is my fav FKK. Would love to see others pitch in.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]I think Sharks would have to rate 16 with this questionnaire.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1268901]Palace would score 13 points. Oase only 12. World also 12. Still I prefer the two over Palace.
HB[/QUOTE]Are you saying that you prefer Oase and World over Palace as an FKK, or strictly in rating the building and facilities?
I've never been to World (yet) , but for me it is a tough toss up between Palace and Oase on facilities. Oase definitely slam dunks on the outdoor area and saunas.
But as for showers, bar, food, cleanliness. Definitely goes to Palace.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1268901]Palace would score 13 points. Oase only 12. World also 12. Still I prefer the two over Palace.
HB[/QUOTE]I think you're lowballing it a bit. I honestly am not sure how some of the criteria are meant: should we evaluate the quality of lockers / showers, or just whether it is present (same with welness). It is also clear that these criteria are made by an 'overpaying' Hessen / Berlin / anywhere but NRW visitor. All clubs in NRW are considered 'cheap', while you can get into Aca for 25 against 60 for GT / LR / VV / PHG; 50 should have been the 'normal rate'. The availability of alcohol is also a bit of non-issue, while free beer in many NRW clubs against the 10 euro beer in Oase would be a much more interesting point. Given the 75 an hour that is still the norm in most of NRW, all clubs also should be considered 'cheap'. While there are still differences with Heaven7 (and Blue Note I think) asking 30 for half an hour, aca 40 for each half an hour, LR and PHG still having thriving 50-25-25 possibilities, etc. Nonetheles I made a short list; nothing better to do in the weekend where most of our Romanian schatzis are celebrating some longhaired hippy's indecisiveness about dying a good 2000 years ago.
Being not too stingy with the marks I come to the following list of clubs I've been to somewhat recently:
Golden Time (Brueggen) : 17.
Ying Yang (Roermond) : 16.
Acapulco: 16.
Palace: 15.
World: 14.
Livingroom: 14.
Parksauna Residenz: 13.
Samya: 13.
Oase: 13.
Freude: 12.
My favorite clubs BTW: Freude and Oase; I don't like GT and YY at all.
First thing we all look at when we walk in the club isn't how hot the sauna is, we want to know the strength of the lineup. So a majority of the vote should be based on what we first look for at the clubs, the women. The number and quality of the ladies are important and how they interact with the guests. Interaction covers everything from service in the room, how they approach you in the club, their attitude at the lockers waiting for their pay.
20 points to the Women (10 for the quality. 5 for the quantity. 5 for attitude / service)
Facilities are the next thing we notice. The condition of the club, the layout, the extra's a club has to offer. The overall comfort a club has to offer. The longer that you are comfortable staying at a club should play a role in how many points you give for any club.
10 points for the facilities that include everything from the setup, the food and the length of time your comforable in the club.
Pricing is the last rating. How much do you have to pay the club and the girls. We shall leave 'transportation costs' out of the equation, how hard it is to get your ass to the club has no reflection on what clubs are "the best fkk clubs". Pricing is strictly a rating on the costs of 'doing business'. Since the clubs have 'control' over what the women charge and how much we pay to enter, we shall lump the two of them together.
10 points towards the costs associated with entering the club and the payment fee's of the women.
My ratings:
World: 18 for the women. 9 for the club. 7 for the pricing. Total of 34 out of 40. Higher marks on pricing due to VIP cards. 3 for 2 days.
Aca: 18 for the women. 5 for the club. 10 for the pricing. Total of 33 out of 40.
YingYang: 6 for the women. 6 for the club. 7 for the pricing. Total of 19. The food and the lineup suck.
Oase: 19 for the women. 8 for the club. 6 for the pricing. Score of 33.
Palace: 14 for the women. 6 for the club (no outdoors) .4 for the pricing. 24 total.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1269160]My ratings:
World: 18 for the women. 9 for the club. 7 for the pricing. Total of 34 out of 40. Higher marks on pricing due to VIP cards. 3 for 2 days.
Aca: 18 for the women. 5 for the club. 10 for the pricing. Total of 33 out of 40.
YingYang: 6 for the women. 6 for the club. 7 for the pricing. Total of 19. The food and the lineup suck.
Oase: 19 for the women. 8 for the club. 6 for the pricing. Score of 33.
Palace: 14 for the women. 6 for the club (no outdoors).4 for the pricing. 24 total.[/QUOTE]An interesting, if not rather ingenius summary of club ratings. I agree with you main premise, namely: the girls are the main thing I look at in deciding which club to visit.
O
I thought we weren't doing ratings again (met last time with a bunch of "oh no not again!"). Anyway, where is Artemis in all of this? If we're looking at all of Germany, then surely Artemis must be in the discussion somewhere. I've seen no mention of Artemis. Golden Time has the weakest facilities of all of the clubs I have been to so far. That's an easy one for me when it comes to the least impressive facility. But then after that, there are just so many trade-offs between the others. I've always said I would like to outfit World with the furnishings of Palace, then populate the place with the girls of Oase LOL.
[QUOTE=Ortos; 1269165]An interesting, if not rather ingenius summary of club ratings. I agree with you main premise, namely: the girls are the main thing I look at in deciding which club to visit.
O[/QUOTE]I just got done watching an episode of 'Iron Chef' when I read Vitrea's post. That show gives points towards plating, presentation and taste, not sure how you'd judge a club or a girl on plating. And I'm pretty sure when the judge's tried their food, none of them would say "I love this but I'm going to take points away since it was hard for me to get here using public transportation".
Just hope the main ingredient isn't fish.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1269154]First thing we all look at when we walk in the club isn't how hot the sauna is, we want to know the strength of the lineup. So a majority of the vote should be based on what we first look for at the clubs, the women. The number and quality of the ladies are important and how they interact with the guests. Interaction covers everything from service in the room, how they approach you in the club, their attitude at the lockers waiting for their pay.
20 points to the Women (10 for the quality. 5 for the quantity. 5 for attitude / service).[/QUOTE]I understand what you are saying. But it kind of goes against the point of what Vitrea was trying to do.
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1268882]. I propose a survey of purely facilities.
What is the best club in Europe for facilities?[/QUOTE]Rating women is an almost impossible task. Everyone has different preferences; not just in looks but in style of service. Do you like bundaos or bundinhas? Do you like your BJ's with vacuum preasure, or sloppy and wet? Your 10 could be my 2.
You could rate the quantity and variety but the rest of what you suggest is not going to be accurate fo rthe group as a whole.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1269169]I thought we weren't doing ratings again (met last time with a bunch of "oh no not again!"). Anyway, where is Artemis in all of this? If we're looking at all of Germany, then surely Artemis must be in the discussion somewhere. I've seen no mention of Artemis. Golden Time has the weakest facilities of all of the clubs I have been to so far. That's an easy one for me when it comes to the least impressive facility. But then after that, there are just so many trade-offs between the others. I've always said I would like to outfit World with the furnishings of Palace, then populate the place with the girls of Oase LOL.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Yeah [b]The Cane[/b], got to agree that the ratings game is never going to produce a definitive "best FKK club" because we all have different tastes and requirements. For instance to demonstrate a different opinion to that of your good self, I certainly would not change the furnishings / decor in [b]World[/b] for that in [b]Palace[/b], much less would I change the current line-up in [b]World[/b] (imo best lineup in Hessen at the moment provided you like Romanian hoochies) for that in [b]Oase[/b]. But saying that I do catch your drift, understand what you mean! Lets cut to the chase, some (like me) don't need 60 stunners in a club. 20 is plenty and probably 5 favorites is more than enough. Yeah facilities / food are important, specially if you plan on hanging out for many hours. Also some of us with Celtic blood do like a drink and a well stocked bar with reasonable prices is a definite and very big plus point. So clubs like Oase and Palace will never feature very high in my best club list (although many will disagree I'm sure and perhaps Oase will improve after the construction work is completed) but places like World and Villa Vertigo will be up there somewhere near the top. I guess we all rate clubs differently and have different requirements. So hard for me to take the ratings game all that seriously, but if you want to play that sport, I guess no harm in innocent fun!
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[QUOTE=Free Dude;1269010]I think you're lowballing it a bit. I honestly am not sure how some of the criteria are meant: should we evaluate the quality of lockers / showers, or just whether it is present (same with welness). It is also clear that these criteria are made by an 'overpaying' Hessen / Berlin / anywhere but NRW visitor. All clubs in NRW are considered 'cheap', while you can get into Aca for 25 against 60 for GT / LR / VV / PHG; 50 should have been the 'normal rate'. The availability of alcohol is also a bit of non-issue, while free beer in many NRW clubs against the 10 euro beer in Oase would be a much more interesting point. Given the 75 an hour that is still the norm in most of NRW, all clubs also should be considered 'cheap'. While there are still differences with Heaven7 (and Blue Note I think) asking 30 for half an hour, aca 40 for each half an hour, LR and PHG still having thriving 50-25-25 possibilities, etc. Nonetheles I made a short list; nothing better to do in the weekend where most of our Romanian schatzis are celebrating some longhaired hippy's indecisiveness about dying a good 2000 years ago.[/QUOTE]You are correct. I came up with the criteria based on my experiences but I agree, they can be improved upon. I was hoping people would rate FKKs from Austira and Switzerland too hence I chose that range for prices. In the global sense, the pricing at NRW would be considered inexpensive. I have been there and l like them and will be there soon.
Very interesting responses though. Thank you for indulging. I think it does give a general perspective of the over all quality of the facilities, which I think are important if you are going to spend several days in different FKKs.
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1269250][font=tahoma]Yeah [b]The Cane[/b], got to agree that the ratings game is never going to produce a definitive "best FKK club" because we all have different tastes and requirements. For instance to demonstrate a different opinion to that of your good self, I certainly would not change the furnishings / decor in [b]World[/b] For that in [b]Palace[/b], much less would I change the current line-up in [b]World[/b] (imo best lineup in Hessen at the moment provided you like Romanian hoochies) for that in [b]Oase[/b]. But saying that I do catch your drift, understand what you mean! Lets cut to the chase, some (like me) don't need 60 stunners in a club. 20 is plenty and probably 5 favorites is more than enough. Yeah facilities / food are important, specially if you plan on hanging out for many hours. Also some of us with Celtic blood do like a drink and a well stocked bar with reasonable prices is a definite and very big plus point. So clubs like Oase and Palace will never feature very high in my best club list (although many will disagree I'm sure and perhaps Oase will improve after the construction work is completed) but places like World and Villa Vertigo will be up there somewhere near the top. I guess we all rate clubs differently and have different requirements. So hard for me to take the ratings game all that seriously, but if you want to play that sport, I guess no harm in innocent fun!
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[/font][/QUOTE]Captain Dan hit the nail on the head. My thoughts exactly.
Cane, I am sorry if ratings are prohibited. I thought it makes sense to discuss ratings in the "lounge" section as discussions here would not interfere with talk about girls.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1269195]I just got done watching an episode of 'Iron Chef' when I read Vitrea's post. That show gives points towards plating, presentation and taste, not sure how you'd judge a club or a girl on plating. And I'm pretty sure when the judge's tried their food, none of them would say "I love this but I'm going to take points away since it was hard for me to get here using public transportation".
Just hope the main ingredient isn't fish.[/QUOTE]That is funny. Hey what if the same dishes are served in a restaurant that has a great location and another in the middle of no where, would you not give the restaurant with better location a higher rating? .
I do like your 40 point scale. I thought if you threw women in the mix, it would get too controversial as that was discussed many times. You have a nice way of presenting your points though.
Clubs rating has been discussed 100 times spread in different threats, why it's not possible to have sticky posts in the forums.
Because many topics are lost in time and people take old topics up again and again.
I won't do my rating again.
For me NRW clubs are the best due to their price structure as I like longer session 1+
No doubt Hessen clubs and Artemis have better facilities and more girls.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1269265]Cane, I am sorry if ratings are prohibited. I thought it makes sense to discuss ratings in the "lounge" section as discussions here would not interfere with talk about girls.[/QUOTE]I wasn't suggesting that ratings are prohibited. It's just that a lot of the guys seem to have tired of the discussion since, as the last few posts have shown, which FKKs are "the best" all comes down to a matter of personal tastes in the end. A perfect example I like to use is Palace. Some guys swear by the place. Other guys hate it. I'm somewhere in between on it. I like to talk about ratings from time to time since mine can and do change, particularly after I discover new places.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1269386]..., which FKKs are "the best" all comes down to a matter of personal tastes in the end. [/QUOTE]I respectfully disagree with you on this one, Cane. Not that personal taste does not matter, but don't forget how clubs and line-ups quickly change in our dear hobby; sometimes even from one month to another. A club that does not renew itself or it's lineup from to time will soon be in decline and maybe even risk being out of business after a while. And look how reports on Mainhattan / Sharks have improved from a slow start.
Which is why we always appreciate a fresh report (including a club rating if visiting more than one club). AND; the more one reports of one's expectations and preferences (personal taste) and how they were met / not met, the better the report! :)
Sure, I can see it is boring when someone constantly is in defence of his #1 club (even more boring when it's on a daily / weekly basis) , but those of us visiting multiple clubs really need to update each other with a club rating every now and then (veterans AND firsttimers). I would say that club / girl experiences is possibly the very essence of what we should be reporting. If not, what would be left? Porn novels? Directions? Taxi fares? Party announcements?
[QUOTE=Shark16; 1269547]I respectfully disagree with you on this one, Cane. Not that personal taste does not matter, but don't forget clubs and line-ups quickly change in our dear hobby; sometimes even from one month to another. Which is why we always appreciate a fresh report (including a club rating if visiting more than one club). AND; the more one reports of one's expectations and preferences (personal taste) and how they were met / not met, the better the report! .
Sure, I can see it is boring when someone constantly is in defence of his #1 club (even more boring when it's on a daily / weekly basis) , but we really need to update each other with a club rating every now and then (veterans AND firsttimers). I would say that club / girl experiences is possibly the very essence of what we should be reporting. If not, what would be left? Porn novels? Directions? Taxi fares?[/QUOTE]As a matter of fact, I agree 100 percent. That's why I like to keep a "stable" of clubs or establishments in my "rotation". You just never know which places are going to be "the best" on any particular trip. Therefore, you need to be prepared to get out and about and try out as many places as your time, energy, money, and libido will allow. And fresh, regular reporting detailing our experiences (good and bad) are important for keeping everybody up to date, particularly with regard to new developments. No, I didn't say that I'm somebody who tires of any of that. My point was that some OTHER people here apparently do, but I'm all for it. After each trip I like to rate my experience at each place I visited. But, I do find that the same places tend to come out at the top of my list. For instance, Oase has been my consistent number one in Germany. I don't see that changing anytime soon.
Has anybody been to Sharks, Oase and / or World in the past few weeks on a Sunday? What would be the best club to visit on a Sunday? I've always done Oase on Sunday but with new reports saying World and Sharks have much improved lineup's, was wondering if I should give one of them a try instead.
[QUOTE=Shark16; 1269547]I respectfully disagree with you on this one, Cane. Not that personal taste does not matter, but don't forget how clubs and line-ups quickly change in our dear hobby; sometimes even from one month to another. A club that does not renew itself or it's lineup from to time will soon be in decline and maybe even risk being out of business after a while. And look how reports on Mainhattan / Sharks have improved from a slow start.
Which is why we always appreciate a fresh report (including a club rating if visiting more than one club). AND; the more one reports of one's expectations and preferences (personal taste) and how they were met / not met, the better the report! .
Sure, I can see it is boring when someone constantly is in defence of his #1 club (even more boring when it's on a daily / weekly basis) , but those of us visiting multiple clubs really need to update each other with a club rating every now and then (veterans AND firsttimers). I would say that club / girl experiences is possibly the very essence of what we should be reporting. If not, what would be left? Porn novels? Directions? Taxi fares? Party announcements?[/QUOTE]I agree with Shark16 while I don't disagree with The Cane. Let me explain.
Ratings help bring some semblance of objectivity to a very subjective opinion. All opinions by definition are personal in nature and subjective and ratings are no different. Rating system work better when pooled. Movie ratings are a good example. Each reviewer gives his or her opinion of the movie but when you pool several opinions, you can certainly get a much better idea than relying on few random opinions.
Metacritic. Com is a good example of how ratings can work.
What's the current price of gas and diesel in Germany? I know it jumps a bit, what's the average been lately?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1270774]What's the current price of gas and diesel in Germany? I know it jumps a bit, what's the average been lately?[/QUOTE]Current price.
[url]Http://gasoline-germany.com/statistik.phtml[/url]
Price movements.
[url]http://gasoline-germany.com/statistik.phtml?o=13[/url]
[QUOTE=Samplerr; 1270915]Current price.
[url]Http://gasoline-germany.com/statistik.phtml[/url]
Price movements.
[url]http://gasoline-germany.com/statistik.phtml?o=13[/url][/QUOTE]This version gives you a Europe wide perspective on Benzin and Diesel prices per litre.
[url]http://www.clever-tanken.de/statistik6.asp[/url]
Interesting to note at this point in time that Rumanien is 1. 28 per litre and the highest is Norwegen at 2. 06 per litre with a Europa wide average of 1. 60 per litre.
Are the prices in certain German cities or regions cheaper than others, ie. Fill up in Cologne before heading to Frankfurt because fuel is always cheaper? The example in the States is that any trip to California or New York City will result in $4+ per gallon while travel to Texas or the south has fuel that can be found for $3.50 per gallon.
[QUOTE=Burma Jones;1271497]Are the prices in certain German cities or regions cheaper than others, ie. Fill up in Cologne before heading to Frankfurt because fuel is always cheaper? The example in the States is that any trip to California or New York City will result in $4+ per gallon while travel to Texas or the south has fuel that can be found for $3.50 per gallon.[/QUOTE]Don't forget to ask if prices rise on certain days as well. In the states, the price jumps on the weekend. Best time to buy gas is on a Tuesday or Wednesday.
Myrmidon (in a now deleted post) and Angus Magee make a good point about all this crap belonging in this thread. The fact that this hasn't happened yet, underlines Dedalus' post about the lack of moderation here. I've never read anything by 'J' or 'Jackson', but I assume he is officially the moderator. Just to support Dedalus' claims, I rarely post a report here (there are plenty of better boards to do this). I must say, I find I leave this place with a bitter taste in my mouth far too often (the whole bareback debacle a few weeks ago and now the respectless eejits). I guess I'm just conditioned to go here once in a while.
I don't know if I should be shocked about what opinions I read here, or glad that more regular visitors take a more reasonable stand. While I'm pretty sure Amriptna111 is a dick and a troll, there seems to be something off when he starts by asking if mongers and clubgirls can 'fall in love', just to continue by saying he has no respect for them and that apparently he is 'buying' their selfworth if he takes a girl to a room. Maybe it says more about him that he can 'fall in love' with girls he doesn't respect or value as more than a piece of meat. I especially get fed up by the way these guys seem to think this is an reasonable way to perceive the lady's (might have something to do with the way prostitution / women are perceived in their home countries). It clearly shows these guys have little clue of what is going on, with hilarious questions as: 'do the girls have pimps? ' as a result.
By the way this has nothing to do with the kind of sex you want, in any club there are PSE girls and GFE girls. You choose what you are looking for, but starting a session with the idea that a girl should make her pussy 'work overtime' for you, makes you a dick.
Angus & Free Dude: Thank you both for having the courage to say what I did not.
As a part-time consumer / supplier I did not want to ruffle the feathers of more seasoned regular visitors.
But I find some of the discussions on those 'Club' threads more suitable here, if anywhere on the board.
To each his own; personally, my best mileage always comes with treating the other as I wish to be treated. I get burned on occasion, but over time, I sleep soundly at night.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1273248]I would be grateful if we could all (as 99% do) make sure we keep this forum as private as possible. Sorry if this sounds patronising to the 99% ISG members who would never do anything stupid- just trying to make sure I don't get blackballed by any girls[/QUOTE][font=Tahoma]Solutations [b]Optimist[/b] and gratitude for your recent series of reports on [b]FKK World[/b]. Concerns with regard to ISG members who (if you want) kiss and tell, have been a real issue (for some of us) for several years and is by no means a new problem. Unfortunately, many (like myself) have always been somewhat circumspect about what we report primarily because we realise that this forum is somewhat lacking in terms of moderation and also because the forum is open to all who can provide a hotmail or similar type email address. Lack of active moderation and the fact that this forum is in the English vernacular means that it is readily accessible to all who can read this language i.e. 75% of the hookers in FKK-Land.
The danger is not that you report. The true danger is that you can become visibly identified with what you have written. For those who travel infrequently to FKK-Land, this is not a real issue, but for those more frequent travellers who prefer to visit a limited selection of favourite clubs, the issue of being identified as a 'report writer' or as one (perhaps not completely unwise) hooker once termed our breed 'fantasy writers' is a hassle which we would prefer to avoid. Even if you only ever report in a more positive manner, to be known by the girls as a report writer is not a good thing and not something which will earn you kudos.
The obvious way to prevent this risk is to (as many have done) simply stop reporting. As [b]Nick The G[/b] has suggested, we sometimes (for one reason or another) grow out of the need to report. A less final option is to be more circumspect about what we write and perhaps limit negative comments and also perhaps not report so much about clubs which you particularly favour. The most important thing to remember is that the greatest danger comes from the chaps who you meet off this board. Any mongering acquaintance can in the future become someone who might in ignorance (or stupidity) identify you as a report writer, or possibly seek revenge because of a silly argument or a simple misunderstanding and consequently seek to cause you some difficulty. For one reason or another, all ISG members would be wise to be somewhat circumspect about what they write on this forum. I certainly now practice this approach and I would prefer that no other ISG Member would suffer because of their membership of this forum.
Lets just hope that all this talk about being identified as an ISG Reporter will not damage the quantity and quality of information which ISGers kindly provide to their fellow members. Common sense and some caution will prevent such issues from occurring.
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It does not bother me that the Clubs or Girls read this Forum, The Internet has created lots of jobs and money for "Underground" Services.
I had a Girl at Oase ask me where I found out about the Place and I told her the Net, not this Forum but a Quick search of any FKK would probably bring them to ISG or other Forums.
[QUOTE=MoneyShot; 1273477]It does not bother me that the Clubs or Girls read this Forum, The Internet has created lots of jobs and money for "Underground" Services.
I had a Girl at Oase ask me where I found out about the Place and I told her the Net, not this Forum but a Quick search of any FKK would probably bring them to ISG or other Forums.[/QUOTE]I don't think it makes any difference if the girls or the clubs know about the forums, its a service oriented business and the clubs are legal entities so I doubt they are bothered about any comments or reports. Moreover all of us use alias here and at the clubs so its very hard to link the reports to the customers, unless until someone posts a very specific incidence with the girl or the club like a fight / argument or created a scene which anyways would not be looked upon nicely at the club.
I think in the bigger clubs the average footfall would be about 200 people per day and most girls would average about 10 sessions per day that means even if you are a regular and go there on a weekly basis the chances are they hardly remember you till you showed up again or link you to a report posted by some xyz on a xyz forum. I once met a girl in former La Bedo club, Dusseldorf a few yrs ago and she asked me how I came to know about the club being a tourist and I told her I had read about it on the Internet, a little more digging and I gave out the name, she was happy that such forums existed at it would mean better business for the girls giving good service and free promotion for the clubs.
Since most clubs also post pictures and names of the girls it hardly makes any difference to the girls I think if someone is writing about them, ofcourse bad publicity is not good but that only means they would try to give better service in fear of being monitored.
I would understand apprehension if this was a underground operation like in the USA, Middle east or other countries where things are not legal and chances of girls / clubs identities being revealed could lead them into trouble but I doubt reporting on FKK, Partytreff's (Where they even post party pictures with customers consents at times) makes any difference.
Having said that I am still against posting real names, Ph numbers, Address or any private information that the girls / clubs may have shared with you in good faith.
[QUOTE=Travelforfun;1273547]"it hardly makes any difference to the girls I think if someone is writing about them, ofcourse bad publicity is not good but that only means they would try to give better service in fear of being monitored."[/QUOTE]Since those who read or write on the forums are a small percentage of clients only, I would assume, that the girls don't care of being "monitored" by "professional" mongers. This would be even more true in clubs, where most of the clients are travelling business man, who only visit a special club once, twice or three times a year while being on a business trip in Germany.
Some of us here really greatly overestimate the influence we have using such a forum! In fact we are representing the minority of clients visiting the FKK-Clubs!
Sure thing, it is good to exchange our experience, but I would guess, that statistically seen, we are one out of 20 or maybe maximum one out of 10 of clients who visit a club.
Since the girls know that I am writing (sometimes) in the internet, some of them (who know me for longer time) even approached me and wanted to know, if there had been something written about them during the last weeks. Believe it or not, if I said,"Sorry, I don't know" or "No, you haven't been mentioned", they were disappointed. And some of them asked me: "can you please look again, I don't believe"! Usually, because some guy had told them that he had written a good report about them!
Most of the girls coming from the countryside of Romania or Bulgaria don't have a computer with them or have the knowledge or time to search for information in the internet.
Girls who come from the big cities or have good education use the internet. But even they use it most of the time for other things than to read in PaySex forums. That's the female perspective!
The male assumption is, once you enter such a forum and become an active member, you become an "important one" and you can influence or even control / monitor things.
IMHO you fool yourself!
As the one who (partly) started this discussion can I clarify my intention.
I do not have any problem with girls or clubs reading my reports. Nor do I consider what we write to be of great import.
What I was asking is that no member should ever show or read reports to a girl, (and this is the key bit) with added interpretation, comments, and information by him, in order to make himself look important and to criticise or belittle the author of the report concerned. This is completely different matter.
I also have a problem when such men also tell the girls whatever personal details they have managed to find out about me.
As Nick has said, my request may do very little to stop such (very rare and) uncouth loutish behaviour, but all I can do is ask
Yesterday, there was a report on the second german televison about the sex paradise in Germany with customers from many other countries heading for Germany!
Here you can see it! And a little bit of Romania too and the type of "business partner" involved!
[url]http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1626206/Menschenhandel-in-Europa#/beitrag/video/1626206/Menschenhandel-in-Europa[/url]
All the Romanian girls say in these interviews, that they came to know about the clubs "via the internet"! Of course they were "instructed" to tell the police this.
[QUOTE=Optimist; 1273586]I do not have any problem with girls or clubs reading my reports. Nor do I consider what we write to be of great import.
What I was asking is that no member should ever show or read reports to a girl, (and this is the key bit) with added interpretation, comments, and information by him, in order to make himself look important and to criticise or belittle the author of the report concerned. This is completely different matter.
I also have a problem when such men also tell the girls whatever personal details they have managed to find out about me.[/QUOTE]Very good point and clear statement!
The girls know about us and the forums, not only ISG, but also French and Dutch forums. They can even read the forums with their smartphones.
Some girls ask me not to write any thing bad about them or write about them at all. I remember after a poor session (we simply didn't clicked) with a babe at GT, she begged me not to write a bad report about her.
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1273588]Yesterday, there was a report on the second german televison about the sex paradise in Germany with customers from many other countries heading for Germany!
Here you can see it! And a little bit of Romania too and the type of "business partner" involved!
[url]http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1626206/Menschenhandel-in-Europa#/beitrag/video/1626206/Menschenhandel-in-Europa[/url]
All the Romanian girls say in these interviews, that they came to know about the clubs "via the internet"! Of course they were "instructed" to tell the police this.[/QUOTE]That is the negative reality of flip side of the coin. We tend to closed our eyes on this topic.
The Romanian girls said also there were no jobs in RO so they are aiming to come to Germany to work.
Artemis and King George was mention.
The girls in NRW definitely know about the forums and probably also most regulars that write reports. Through the dutch and german forums (maybe the french too) there are often birthday parties where the birthday boy (s) get free entry and the 'guests' a reduced entry. It will be very clear that the whole group eating cake and drinking the champagne that is offered by the club, know each other through a forum. Hell, when there are live reports being written some girls but in and 'demand' that certain forum members show up that night (all in jest of course).
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1273733]The girls in NRW definitely know about the forums and probably also most regulars that write reports. Through the dutch and german forums (maybe the french too) there are often birthday parties where the birthday boy (s) get free entry and the 'guests' a reduced entry. It will be very clear that the whole group eating cake and drinking the champagne that is offered by the club, know each other through a forum. Hell, when there are live reports being written some girls but in and 'demand' that certain forum members show up that night (all in jest of course).[/QUOTE]Yes, this has been my experience too. I attended one such forum "meet" about three years back (in this case French, and a meeting not in NRW as it happens) , and a lot of fun it was too. It was arranged with full cooperation from the club.
The only ones who seemed (initially) not to be informed were the girls. LOL. But they soon drew their own conclusions. The atmosphere was very good, and I was soon being quizzed by girls about the forum, and they were very excited by the possibility that they might be the subject of reports themselves. Not an hour had passed and they were clustered around smartphones desperate to find one of their number who spoke French. Of course, none of the guys was giving anything away as to identities, and it was all harmless banter anyway.
Of course some will remember our own modest ISG meets in Hessen a few years back too, and there were girls there too who realised the situation.
I personally have long chosen not to have any qualms about reporting, and what consequences it may have. I always tell it as I saw it, and if a girl has a problem with that, she is welcome to her problem. Even if she refused me service (has not happened, I have never been accosted in how many years?) , there are many, many other lucky girls unable to resist my Fuffiger. Or I can go to the next club.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1273586]What I was asking is that no member should ever show or read reports to a girl, (and this is the key bit) with added interpretation, comments, and information by him, in order to make himself look important and to criticise or belittle the author of the report concerned. This is completely different matter. I also have a problem when such men also tell the girls whatever personal details they have managed to find out about me.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]I certainly would condemn anyone who would cause difficulty for any ISG Member who has reported on this forum [b]Optimist[/b]. As you well know I have a track record of defending those who offer this forum good and interesting reports. I therefore extend this same courtesy to you. It is my opinion that we all take a risk when offering up personal details to other forum members. Bad things have happened before and who knows what might happen again. I would definitely encourage you to exercise more caution and to be more circumspect with regard to any details which you might communicate. I will certainly endeavour to do the same! Good luck to you and I hope that this matter will not occur again. [/font]
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1273588]Yesterday, there was a report on the second german televison about the sex paradise in Germany with customers from many other countries heading for Germany![/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Most European Union citizens are unaware of what goes on in Germany with regards to Sex Clubs and Sex Tourism. Hamburg is known as a naughty city much like Amsterdam in the Netherlands. One city in Germany (i.e. Hamburg) is just one city and not too much attention is paid to what occurs. Very little is commonly known in the rest of Europe about how the Sex Business is organised in Germany. If knowledge were to spread, I would suspect that pressure would be put on your country, by EU partners, to seriously amend legislation. Attitudes to prostitution in the rest of Europe are very different particularly in Scandinavian, UK / Irish and some Southern European Countries. The general opinion in France is still against legalization of the Sex Business. You might argue that the German attitude is more enlightened and that other European Countries practice double standards etc. Another argument is that Germany is fast becoming the Thailand of Europe BUT even worse, the Sex Clubs are full of "victimized women" from poorer Eastern European EU countries forced through poverty to work in the Sex Clubs of Germany. Obviously this is not an argument with which I would personally agree, but saying that, the German attitude to how this business should be organised is definitely NOT shared by most other European Union members. The bigger the Sex Business in Germany becomes the more noticeable it will be to other EU countries with a very, very different perspective on this issue.[/font]
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1273579]The male assumption is, once you enter such a forum and become an active member, you become an "important one" and you can influence or even control / monitor things. IMHO you fool yourself![/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Yes indeed [b]Nick The G[/b], very well said and I could not agree more! [/font]
[QUOTE=Toscana;1273747]I personally have long chosen not to have any qualms about reporting, and what consequences it may have. I always tell it as I saw it, and if a girl has a problem with that, she is welcome to her problem. Even if she refused me service (has not happened, I have never been accosted in how many years?) , there are many, many other lucky girls unable to resist my Fuffiger. Or I can go to the next club.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Good for you [b]Toscana[/b], a very different and refreshing perspective on the dangers / non-dangers of report writing. In my opinion a very sensible attitude! [/font]
Cheers to you All.
[b]CD[/b]
It could be interesting and fun to have the girls joining this forum and report on the guys, who are good in bed and are nice and who guys are asshole.
In the Danish forums, we actually have a number of SWs who are also telling their stories about their experiences and many stories are really funny and also some morbid stories, like some guy died during the sex act. Also I remember she told a story about a regular of hers, he would only have BJ and he never spoke a word during the session and he had a stone face the whole time, not even a sign of pleasure when he came, what a weirdo.
[QUOTE=Captain Dan;1273762]Most European Union citizens are unaware of what goes on in Germany with regards to Sex Clubs and Sex Tourism. Hamburg is known as a naughty city much like Amsterdam in the Netherlands. One city in Germany (i.e. Hamburg) is just one city and not too much attention is paid to what occurs. Very little is commonly known in the rest of Europe about how the Sex Business is organised in Germany. If knowledge were to spread, I would suspect that pressure would be put on your country, by EU partners, to seriously amend legislation. Attitudes to prostitution in the rest of Europe are very different particularly in Scandinavian, UK / Irish and some Southern European Countries. The general opinion in France is still against legalization of the Sex Business. You might argue that the German attitude is more enlightened and that other European Countries practice double standards etc. Another argument is that Germany is fast becoming the Thailand of Europe BUT even worse, the Sex Clubs are full of "victimized women" from poorer Eastern European EU countries forced through poverty to work in the Sex Clubs of Germany. Obviously this is not an argument with which I would personally agree, but saying that, the German attitude to how this business should be organised is definitely NOT shared by most other European Union members. The bigger the Sex Business in Germany becomes the more noticeable it will be to other EU countries with a very, very different perspective on this issue.[/QUOTE]Well, at least the good thing about it is that Germany is the economic powerhouse of Europe, and indeed a major player on the world stage both economically and politically. Germany does not have to bow to the hypocritical moralizing of any other EU member. Hell, several countries are looking to Germany to help save them and make things right in Europe. Perhaps some of them can use a few pages out of Germany's book to figure out how to be a successful nation. Even with legalized prostitution. Imagine that!
[quote=the cane;1273814]well, at least the good thing about it is that germany is the economic powerhouse of europe, and indeed a major player on the world stage both economically and politically. germany does not have to bow to the hypocritical moralizing of any other eu member. hell, several countries are looking to germany to help save them and make things right in europe. perhaps some of them can use a few pages out of germany's book to figure out how to be a successful nation. even with legalized prostitution. imagine that![/quote][font=tahoma]first off i think to get an accurate impression of my original comments you must look at what i have written in conjunction with the german tv current affairs programme, the link to which was originally posted by [b]nick the g[/b] and which i also link to here: [url]http://www.zdf.de/zdfmediathek/beitr.ndel-in-europa[/url]
even though i cannot agree with much of what you have said [b]the cane[/b], thank you for your reply anyway. let me explain why i cannot agree with you.
true, germany is indeed the strongest economic power within the european union but current economic analysis predicts that the german economy will at best slow dramatically this year and probably enter recession.
[url]http://www.spiegel.de/international/business/0,1518,808582,00.html[/url]
with four of germany's top five trading partners (france, netherlands, uk and italy) in a precarious financial situation, the economic outlook for germany cannot be all that healthy. just like california is unlikely to prosper during recession in the rest of the united states; germany cannot expect to survive unrep001hed when the rest of the european union is in economic difficulty.
i would also question your reasoning with regard to germany saving other countries. if spain or italy were to default (like greece) the shock to germany would be catastrophic. so much money has been lent by german banks to italy (3rd largest european economy) and spain (4th largest european economy) that should these countries be unable to make repayments, the german banking system would at best require massive bailouts from the german taxpayer, so much so, that the country would probably move from recession to severe depression. at worst the german banking system would probably collapse. all the countries within the eurozone are in this mess together and germany lends financial assistance to its european partners (primarily via the european financial stability mechanism, an 800billion financial war-chest funded by all eurozone members) as much to help itself as to help fellow europeans.
you also might be surprised to learn that prostitution is legal in most (if not all) european union countries. it is the sex business in the form of brothels (including sauna clubs) that is illegal in many. that is to say that it is illegal to profit from the proceeds of prostitution (i.e. pimping or brothel ownership) in many european countries. strangely enough i believe that this is also the law in germany, but that ways around these restrictions are more easily managed and tolerated. i would also question your view that because prostitution and the sex business is currently legal in germany that this will always be the case. i don't for one moment believe that the german people are less moral than any of their european neighbours. however, i also don't think that the average german citizen (particularly the average german female citizen) really wants their country to be turned into a sex park for the rest of europe and north america. in my opinion the sex business in germany is beginning to get too big and is starting to attract unwanted attention from both inside and outside germany.
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You also might be surprised to learn that prostit I would also question your view that because prostitution is currently legal in Germany that this will always be the case. I don't for one moment believe that the German people are less moral than any of their European neighbours. However, I also don't think that the average German citizen (particularly the average German female citizen) really wants their country to be turned into a sex park for the rest of Europe and North America. In my opinion the sex business in Germany is beginning to get too big and is starting to attract unwanted attention from inside and outside Germany.
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[/font][/QUOTE]Nonsense, the sex business in Germany is not getting too big, it stays the same for the last few years or so.
Actually due the crises there are less customers. And customers have less money and spend less money. That why you also see many FKK clubs have closed or have been transformed to PTs and flatrate clubs.
The main customer base is from German customers and other neighbour EU countries and a very small percentage
From North America.
I used to attend the big Venus Erotica Messe in Berlin and visit Artemis, the Messe has be very small or even skipped during the lasts years simply because there were not enough attention and customers.
German are quite relax about prostitution, prostitution is legalized and regulated, it's a job equal to other jobs. And the girls have rights and can join the unions and pay to job insurances. Pimping is not allowed. I don't see why other EU countries should interfere
With the German prostitution law. Each EU countries have their own prostitution law, I believe it's the same with the different states in US.
Once and a while the media pick up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] stories to create some noise, but this has been going on for years.
Prostitution money are mainly black money and most of the money are going out of the country with the girls and the pimps. (
So indirectly we mongers and Germany are supporting the girls home-country)
NC
[quote=captain dan; 1274106]true, germany is indeed the strongest economic power within the european union but current economic analysis predicts that the german economy will at best slow dramatically this year and probably enter recession. with four of germany's top five trading partners (france, netherlands, uk and italy) in a precarious financial situation, the economic outlook for germany cannot be all that healthy. just like california is unlikely to prosper during recession in the rest of the united states; germany cannot expect to survive unrep001hed when the rest of the european union is in economic difficulty.
i would also question your reasoning with regard to germany saving other countries. if spain or italy were to default (like greece) the shock to germany would be catastrophic. so much money has been lent by german banks to italy (3rd largest european economy) and spain (4th largest european economy) that should these countries be unable to make repayments, the german banking system would at best require massive bailouts from the german taxpayer, so much so, that the country would probably move from recession to severe depression. at worst the german banking system would probably collapse.
you also might be surprised to learn that prostitution is legal in most (if not all) european union countries. it is the sex business in the form of brothels (including sauna clubs) that is illegal in many. that is to say that it is illegal to profit from the proceeds of prostitution (i. e. pimping or brothel ownership) in many european countries. strangely enough i believe that this is also the law in germany, but that ways around these restrictions are more easily managed and tolerated. i would also question your view that because prostitution and the sex business is currently legal in germany that this will always be the case.
cd[/quote]i didn't make my post to "disagree" with something you said or start some big debate! it's like you're just looking for some reason to argue. but since you want to "disagree" ok. you say germany's economy will slow and go into recession? well if that happens, can you imagine how it will be for the rest? it's like they said about the usa. when the usa catches cold, the rest of the world gets the flu!
and you question my "reasoning" regarding germany saving other countries? well you made my case for me! if germany doesn't lead the way and make it work, which is exactly what they are indeed trying to do (and other countries are looking to germany to do) , then as you say germany will collapse and go down with the all the rest of them. where's the disagreement here? again, it's as if you're arguing with me just for the sake of arguing. if you want to disagree, then please make sure there's something we have a different view on first for cryin' out loud!
and no, i would not be surprised that prostitution is legal in many eu countries. i already know that my friend. it was you who was talking about other countries having "different attitudes" about prostitution, and then you mentioned how france leans against legalization. then you talked about how most of the other eu countries don't like how it's organized in germany, but then you yourself stated that it could be argued that the other countries have double standards. very convoluted. what exactly is your point here?
whatever it is, at no time did i ever make a "point" that prostitution would always be legal in germany. did i say that? really? where? my point was simply that today germany is an economically successful and politically powerful nation that other european countries look to for leadership, and that it plays that role with legalized prostitution within its borders. if other countries want to criticize about the way prostitution goes down in germany, then as you yourself noted, it can be argued that they're being hypocritical since they clearly have double standards with regard to prostitution themselves. for example, surely you don't believe that there aren't brothels and pimps profiting all over the continent do you? even where it's supposedly illegal. well, you might be surprised to know that's the reality. thus, the hypocrisy stemming from this double standard, which you acknowledged. that there are double standards isn't just a "theory". it's true.
germany doesn't have to amend its legislation or answer to anybody on this. and like i said, if other countries want to be successful, then they can learn a few things from germany. now that's my story, and i'm sticking to it. if you want to disagree where there are no disagreements or create a "disagreement" by making up things i never said and don't believe, knock yourself out!
[QUOTE=Captain Dan;1274106]You also might be surprised to learn that prostitution is legal in most (if not all) European Union countries. I[/QUOTE]It is not. Just look at Sweden, France, Italy etc.
HB
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1273599]The girls know about us and the forums, not only ISG, but also French and Dutch forums. They can even read the forums with their smartphones.
Some girls ask me not to write any thing bad about them or write about them at all. I remember after a poor session (we simply didn't clicked) with a babe at GT, she begged me not to write a bad report about her.[/QUOTE]Hey NC,
Not sure how long you've been engaging in this hobby, and I don't doubt your word. However after well over 15 years of Fkking and Sauna Clubbing, my experience is quite different. In all those years and sessions, maybe 5 girls have mentioned internet forums, and ALL of those have either been pretty sheepish, or cleverly vague about it. Some here will remember Olga at World and her statement to a number of guys when one of us (won't say who) said that,"girls WILL talk." Walking away (in that cute and sexy manner she always had) she said over her shoulder,"Yes, girls talk, and men WRITE!"
NEVER has a girl asked me to promote her talents on the net. Not even Cordelia who obviously knew and followed the boards. A few girls have shyly mentioned a detail about the them that was written in the forums, but they never got into specifics.
A recent experience with a World girl was clearly the result of a forum member (former actually) showing her what to find and where. Not too cool.
Also, most girls at the clubs have normal handys that have limited surfing capacities, along with pay-as-you-go data plans that often do not include data surfing. In fact, I've only had two girls pull out an iPhone in the last couple of months. I don't see the majority of these girls doing phone surfing. Plus, network signals at most of the clubs in Hessen are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor. Not saying that there aren't a few girls who engage in mobile forum searching, but I'd guess it's a small percentage.
In truth, most of these girls would like to have as much anonymity as possible, and internet stuff is worrisome and potentially problematic for them. Just my own observations and two cents.
Cheers,
Dedalus
I'd say that about 25% or more of the firls know about (German) internet forums where men are diskussing and reporting on girl's services in detail. Catalina knows, other girls know. They get told, from men, from other girls. And a lot of girls do have a laptop with them, for Yahoo Messenger, Skype, Facebook. They do know the boards.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1274202]It is not. Just look at Sweden, France, Italy etc.
HB[/QUOTE]You cannot compare Sweden and Norway on one hand and France, for instance, on the other. Prostitution is legal in France. Pimping is not. Openly soliciting in a public place is not either. Owning a brothel is considered pimping. DSK has problems not because he attended swinger parties, but because women attemding these parties were brought and paid by business firends of him to pleas ehim, and hopefully gettting something in return. This is considered pimping. His defense is that he did not know those women were prostitutes, and that it was impossible for him to differentiate at the time between naked prostitutes and naked non prostitutes.
Nobody can be arrested for paying or receiving money for sex in France, as long as it is directly between the protagonsiats.
Of course, all this is highly hypocritical. And we all would prefer a German like approach.
[QUOTE=Dedalus; 1274203]"Yes, girls talk, and men WRITE!"
NEVER has a girl asked me to promote her talents on the net. Not even Cordelia who obviously knew and followed the boards. A few girls have shyly mentioned a detail about the them that was written in the forums, but they never got into specifics.
Also, most girls at the clubs have normal handys that have limited surfing capacities, along with pay-as-you-go data plans that often do not include data surfing. In fact, I've only had two girls pull out an iPhone in the last couple of months. I don't see the majority of these girls doing phone surfing. Plus, network signals at most of the clubs in Hessen are [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] poor. Not saying that there aren't a few girls who engage in mobile forum searching, but I'd guess it's a small percentage.
In truth, most of these girls would like to have as much anonymity as possible, and internet stuff is worrisome and potentially problematic for them. Just my own observations and two cents.
Cheers,
Dedalus[/QUOTE]Hi Dedalus, I must say I have a different impression that you. Maybe girls you know are old-fashion.
The NRW clubs has free Wifi and many girls have Samsung, Nokia, LG and Apple Smartphones.
At for example at GT, VV and ACA, I have with the girls surfing for clothes and bags, watching porn on internet, FB.
The girls would prefer we don't write about them, but they know we write. And they are curios what we write about them. I didn't show them the forums of cause.
Cheers
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1274202]It is not. Just look at Sweden, France, Italy etc.
HB[/QUOTE]You are wrong about Sweden.
It's legal to sell sex.
But it's illegal to buy sexual services, the rule is target against the men who buy sex!
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1274207]I'd say that about 25% or more of the firls know about (German) internet forums where men are diskussing and reporting on girl's services in detail. Catalina knows, other girls know. They get told, from men, from other girls. And a lot of girls do have a laptop with them, for Yahoo Messenger, Skype, Facebook. They do know the boards.
HB[/QUOTE]I know of one girl I met years ago who knows about the boards, and she was angry that mongers would occasionally write bad reviews about the girls. She said that she wanted the tutes to get together and start their own site where they could then rate and pass judgment upon the mongers. LOL! Well, it never happened but quite and interesting idea. I wonder if any such site does exist now somewhere in cyberspace though? Or at least a blog where the tutes talk about these things among themselves. Also, I have no proof of it, but I've always suspected that one reason why Gina at Palace lost some weight was because of comments mongers made here about her. She has an excellent command of English and could easily understand everything here, as long as she knew about the site and had access to it. I liked her the way she was. Has she gained any back LOL?
[font=Tahoma]Thanks for the replies guys. This is a chat area and debate and the sharing of opinions are definitely what this area is about. If I disagree with your opinion it is not for the sake of being argumentative, it is because I have a slightly different viewpoint. Discourse and debate are a healthy and good thing.[/font]
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1274113]Nonsense, the sex business in Germany is not getting too big, it stays the same for the last few years or so. Actually due the crises there are less customers. And customers have less money and spend less money. That why you also see many FKK clubs have closed or have been transformed to PTs and flatrate clubs. The main customer base is from German customers and other neighbour EU countries and a very small percentage from North America.[/QUOTE][font=Tahoma]I agree with all that you say but in my opinion the added focus of television programmes in both Germany and the rest of Europe on the German sex business draws unwanted attention on the hobby and adds to the perception (amongst the general German population) that the country is overrun with Eastern European (primarily Romanian) prostitutes and their pimps and that sex tourists are flocking from all over Europe and from further abroad. Watch the TV program yourself (link below):
[url]http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitr.ndel-in-Europa[/url][/font]
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1274113]German are quite relax about prostitution, prostitution is legalized and regulated, it's a job equal to other jobs. And the girls have rights and can join the unions and pay to job insurances. Pimping is not allowed. I don't see why other EU countries should interfere With the German prostitution law. Each EU countries have their own prostitution law, I believe it's the same with the different states in US. Once and a while the media pick up [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] stories to create some noise, but this has been going on for years. Prostitution money are mainly black money and most of the money are going out of the country with the girls and the pimps. (So indirectly we mongers and Germany are supporting the girls home-country) [/QUOTE][font=tahoma]What you say is true BUT there are Romanian prostitutes (and their pimps) all over Europe and the perception is growing across Europe that the female citizens of a weaker European Union country (i.e. Romania) are being exploited.
[url]http://euobserver.com/22/116056[/url]
[url]http://www.unicef.org/sowc05/english/povertyfeat_romania.html[/url]
[url]http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/07/world/europe/young-men-flock-to-spain-for-sex-with-trafficked-prostitutes.html?pagewanted=all[/url]
[url]http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583731,00.html[/url]
[url]http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/three-teen-girls-rescued-after-gardai-raid-brothel-132331.html[/url]
[url]http://edition.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/02/07/batstone.romania.sex.trade/index.html[/url]
[url]http://ec.europa.eu/anti-trafficking/showNIPsection.action?sectionId=a9eb3934-22fa-4dc2-8977-40191d57e5bb[/url]
Now you and I might disagree that this is actually the case and that generally speaking these woman are not exploited, BUT the general perception across Europe (in my opinion) [b]is[/b] that trafficking is taking place and that something [b]must[/b] be done at a European level as opposed to the application of different laws across Europe at a national level. It is possible that Germany may begin to interpret it's own legislation with regard to profiting from prostitution in a much more strict manner either because of internal disquiet from German citizens or because of pressure at EU level. In my opinion it will be very surprising if the current status quo with regard to prostitution laws in Germany (and Spain) will be maintained.[/font]
[QUOTE=The Cane;1274130]I didn't make my post to "disagree" with something you said or start some big debate! It's like you're just looking for some reason to argue. But since you want to "disagree" OK.[/QUOTE][font=Tahoma]Its ok to disagree (in a polite manner). This is a chat area and we are only chatting.[/font]
[QUOTE=The Cane;1274130]You say Germany's economy will slow and go into recession? Well if that happens, can you imagine how it will be for the rest? It's like they said about the USA. When the USA catches cold, the rest of the world gets the flu![/QUOTE][font=tahoma]We do not disagree here, a strong German economy is important not just for Germany but for all of Europe. However, the fact is that the German economy is slowing down and moving towards recession. Current German economic policies and the extension of similar fiscal rectitude policies across Europe are not working. [/font]
[QUOTE=The Cane;1274130]And you question my "reasoning" regarding Germany saving other countries? Well you made my case for me! If Germany doesn't lead the way and make it work, which is exactly what they are indeed trying to do (and other countries are looking to Germany to do) , then as you say Germany will collapse and go down with the all the rest of them. Where's the disagreement here? Again, it's as if you're arguing with me just for the sake of arguing. If you want to disagree, then please make sure there's something we have a different view on first for cryin' out loud![/QUOTE][font=Tahoma]This is where we differ. Germany is not saving the rest of Europe. The current policies of fiscal rectitude as espoused by the German Chancellor and French President are definitely NOT working. This is why President Sarcozy is about to be thrown from office in France. This why the Dutch government has collapsed. 25% of the Spanish workforce are unemployed. 50% of the Spanish workforce under 25 years of age are unemployed. The economies of Spain and Italy are on the brink and policies of simple financial rectitude across Europe are definitely NOT working. The current German Chancellor is like a bus driver (and the rest of Europe are her passengers) who is driving the bus off the edge of a cliff :)
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Officially prostitution may be legal in France, but in reality they are doing what they can to get rid of it, the Swedish model was discussed but did not get a majority in country, same as in Finnland.
In France It is illegal to stand in a public place known for prostitution, dressed in revealing attire, and is punishable by up to six months in prison and a fine of 3750. (Wikipadia).
I agree, the German model is what I prefer, although the new laws did not have the intended effect.
HB
[QUOTE=Captain Dan;1274270]This is where we differ. Germany is not saving the rest of Europe. The current policies of fiscal rectitude as espoused by the German Chancellor and French President are definitely NOT working. This is why President Sarcozy is about to be thrown from office in France. This why the Dutch government has collapsed. 25% of the Spanish workforce are unemployed. 50% of the Spanish workforce under 25 years of age are unemployed. The economies of Spain and Italy are on the brink and policies of simple financial rectitude across Europe are definitely NOT working.[/QUOTE]I said they were TRYING by leading the effort. I did not say that they had yet to succeed. And they better keep trying too and find the way to escape from falling into the abyss. If they don't, then we all know what's going to happen. But then again, maybe things will get so bad that more German girls will have to start working in the FKK clubs to make ends meet! Hahaha! Times so hard pimps be laying off tutes! LOL!
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1274270][font=Tahoma]Watch the TV program yourself (link below)
[url]http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitr.ndel-in-Europa[/url]
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[font=Tahoma]This is where we differ. Germany is not saving the rest of Europe. The current policies of fiscal rectitude as espoused by the German Chancellor and French President are definitely NOT working. This is why President Sarcozy is about to be thrown from office in France. This why the Dutch government has collapsed. 25% of the Spanish workforce are unemployed. 50% of the Spanish workforce under 25 years of age are unemployed. The economies of Spain and Italy are on the brink and policies of simple financial rectitude across Europe are definitely NOT working. The current German Chancellor is like a bus driver (and the rest of Europe are her passengers) who is driving the bus off the edge of a cliff.
[b]CD[/b][/font][/QUOTE]The ZDF link not working.
I'm curios here,
How do you guys from US, feel about EU is falling apart?
[QUOTE=The Cane;1274275]I said they were TRYING by leading the effort. I did not say that they had yet to succeed. And they better keep trying too and find the way to escape from falling into the abyss. If they don't, then we all know what's going to happen. But then again, maybe things will get so bad that more German girls will have to start working in the FKK clubs to make ends meet! Hahaha! Times so hard pimps be laying off tutes! LOL![/QUOTE] [font=tahoma]What you are saying is very vague. Explain to me what the German Government is trying to do then? You say they are leading the effort. To do what?
There is no point in the German Government leading the effort if all they are doing is leading the rest of Europe over the edge of a cliff!
In my opinion the European Union (led by France and Germany) and particularly those countries who are within the Eurozone, are currently pursuing policies of fiscal rectitude at a time of recession.
This is a completely disastrous policy.
A European form of quantitative easing is required throughout the Eurozone coupled with investment in growth and jobs.
A degree of debt forgiveness for financially overburdened countries is also required in order to reduce taxes and increase spending during recessionary times.
Until policies such as I have outlined above are pursued throughout the EU, the situation in the Eurozone will only get worse and also drag down the German economy.
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[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1274277]The ZDF link not working.
I'm curios here,
How do you guys from US, feel about EU is falling apart?[/QUOTE][Font=tahoma]Link attached: [url]http://www.zdf.de/ZDFmediathek/beitrag/video/1626206/Menschenhandel-in-Europa#/beitrag/video/1626206/Menschenhandel-in-Europa[/url]
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[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1274255]The NRW clubs has free Wifi and many girls have Samsung, Nokia, LG and Apple Smartphones.
At for example at GT, VV and ACA, I have with the girls surfing for clothes and bags, watching porn on internet, FB.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Do customers get access to wifi at these clubs, especially GT and ACA? I have only been to GT two years ago and they said the WiFi was not working then. Thanks
[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1274270][font=Tahoma]This is where we differ. Germany is not saving the rest of Europe. The current policies of fiscal rectitude as espoused by the German Chancellor and French President are definitely NOT working. This is why President Sarcozy is about to be thrown from office in France. This why the Dutch government has collapsed. 25% of the Spanish workforce are unemployed. 50% of the Spanish workforce under 25 years of age are unemployed. The economies of Spain and Italy are on the brink and policies of simple financial rectitude across Europe are definitely NOT working. The current German Chancellor is like a bus driver (and the rest of Europe are her passengers) who is driving the bus off the edge of a cliff.
[b]CD[/b][/font][/QUOTE]Nice discussion Captain Dan. Germany may not be saving Europe but clearly helping it stay in one piece. Don't most people agree that without Germany followed by France, Euro would disappear in a flash and so will the EU?! It might still come to that but for now most people west of the Atlantic believe that to be a fact.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1274275]I said they were TRYING by leading the effort. I did not say that they had yet to succeed. And they better keep trying too and find the way to escape from falling into the abyss. If they don't, then we all know what's going to happen. But then again, maybe things will get so bad that more German girls will have to start working in the FKK clubs to make ends meet! Hahaha! Times so hard pimps be laying off tutes! LOL![/QUOTE]I agree with this point of view.
Yes, it will be nice to see more german babes in FKK. :-)
If shit hits the fan, I will be happy to go Romania to see Romanian babes. :-)
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1274272]Officially prostitution may be legal in France, but in reality they are doing what they can to get rid of it, the Swedish model was discussed but did not get a majority in country, same as in Finnland.
In France It is illegal to stand in a public place known for prostitution, dressed in revealing attire, and is punishable by up to six months in prison and a fine of 3750. (Wikipadia).
I agree, the German model is what I prefer, although the new laws did not have the intended effect.
HB[/QUOTE]At electoral times, politicians bring back the issues of morality, and that leads to some proposals about prohibiting prostitution. This is currently happening in France. It is unlikley to succeed.
With regards to the penalty for soliciting, you are right on paper, but in reality, it is up to the police to prove that the person standing is actually a prostitute. Almost impossible, since it is not forbiden for a girl to walk in the park scantily clad.
Just drive through the Bois de boulogne one evening, see all the LBs and some women, half naked, and the police talking to them. They cannot charge them, so, at the most they check their papers and leave. This is why I called the whole thing "hypocritical".
With regards to Sweden: I am just trying to understand how it is legal to sell sex, if it is illegal to buy it?
[QUOTE=Dreams;1274598]With regards to Sweden: I am just trying to understand how it is legal to sell sex, if it is illegal to buy it?[/QUOTE]I am with you on that.
On German television (Mona Lisa) there was a documentary about "Boom I'm Bordell".
[url]http://monalisa.zdf.de/ZDF/zdfportal/web/ZDF.de/ML-mona-lisa/2942178/5990346/629ba8/ML-mona-lisa.html[/url]#
Quite interestingly it states that the legalization of prostitution in 2002 made it a lot easier for pimps to to operate within Germany, especially girls from (South) Eastern Europe are trafficked or at least they are sent to work in German brothels, their "friends, husbands, managers" legally come with them, to take their money and supervise them.
I assume there's some truth in this.
HB
I was wondering what clubs have most German girls working?
I also like Hungarian and Polish girls also.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1274598]With regards to Sweden: I am just trying to understand how it is legal to sell sex, if it is illegal to buy it?[/QUOTE]I agree, but that is not the weirdest of the Scandinavian laws. Norway adopted the same law 3 years ago, and they even added a new one: it's actually forbidden for any Norwegian citizen to buy sex abroad in another country, even if it is legal there, like in Germany. How fucking lame is that? How can a country claim that their laws are superior to the laws of the country you are visiting? Would they use the same stupid logic if a Norwegian drove 200 km / h at the Autobahn, because it is forbidden in Norway? Or would they prosecute a Norwegian for smoking illegal substances in one of the coffeeshops in Amsterdam, while it is legalised in the Netherlands, but forbidden in Norway?
Last year, one of the MPs in the Norwegian Parlament was given a fine of more than 3000 euros for having purchased sex from a girl in one brothel in Riga, Latvia. Of course he was representing the liberal right wing party, the only party that wants to make prostitution legal and have their own RLD areas in Oslo.
Can anyone explain how this is even legally possible, to fine somebody for having purchased sex in a country where this is perfectly legal? Where is the European Parlament in Strasbourg when you need them.
I am quite sure that German laws are also valid for Germans when in other countries. So. If a German buys dope in a coffee shop in Amsterdam. That is illegal for him, he could be prosecuted in Germany. I am 99% sure.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1274654]I am quite sure that German laws are also valid for Germans when in other countries. So. If a German buys dope in a coffee shop in Amsterdam. That is illegal for him, he could be prosecuted in Germany. I am 99% sure.
HB[/QUOTE]It this was the logic used by all countries, it would really get messed up. I always follow the current laws of the country I'm in, regardless of my own nationality. Besides it gets really tedious and extremely difficult for the local police to investigate these "crimes".
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1274649]I agree, but that is not the weirdest of the Scandinavian laws. Norway adopted the same law 3 years ago, and they even added a new one: it's actually forbidden for any Norwegian citizen to buy sex abroad in another country, even if it is legal there, like in Germany. How fucking lame is that? How can a country claim that their laws are superior to the laws of the country you are visiting? Would they use the same stupid logic if a Norwegian drove 200 km / h at the Autobahn, because it is forbidden in Norway? Or would they prosecute a Norwegian for smoking illegal substances in one of the coffeeshops in Amsterdam, while it is legalised in the Netherlands, but forbidden in Norway?[/QUOTE]I hear left wing liberal feminist intellectual activists in the United States praise these laws as forward thinking. You know the ladies I am talking about. These are the wire glasses wearing hair-clipped ugly ladies with the chips on their left shoulder. The same ladies no one ever wanted to fuck. They keep saying "We have to punish the men." We had this debate on MERB. Ca in the wake of a bull-shit report from Fox News about 14 year old girls being pimped into prostitution in Atlanta. The report claimed the girls start out as dancers in a strip clubs and then move to prostitution. This is of course a crock of shit. The strip clubs are highly regulated and every girl has a State Licence which hangs in the managers office. Of course Fox is a right wing slanted organization but all the intellectuals pushing this exploitation of women agenda and we have to punish the men in NA are leftists. Why not just make it legal like Germany I say? I wish someone would pay me for sex.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1274649]Can anyone explain how this is even legally possible, to fine somebody for having purchased sex in a country where this is perfectly legal? Where is the European Parlament in Strasbourg when you need them.[/QUOTE]I guess the people of Norway vote for their politicians and then they make stupid laws. The European Parliament is of no use here though as Norway is not a member state of the EU.
[quote=hungrystud101;1274662]why not just make it legal like germany i say? i wish someone would pay me for sex.[/quote]haha, just my thought as well. or as one of my ignorant buddies said: why do they complain, they get paid to fuck. i would love to get paid to fuck!
the results of the current law against buying sex in the scandinavian countries is not really surprising. the girls involved in the sexbusiness are more than ever victims of sexual abuse and violence. now don't you ever think that this trade disappears because there are some socialist fucked up-politicians that think they can regulate everything with laws. it only gets hidden, and most of the sextrade is now in apartments / hotels and communicated on the various internet pages for escorts.
last year there were a boom in [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] and sexual violence in oslo. this is not due only to the new law, as 90% of the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord127][CodeWord127][/url] are foreigners from countries like somalia / pakistan / iran. but many people and politicians (on the right wing) believe that the welfare and the security of the girls would be better if they abolished this sextrade-law.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1274598]With regards to Sweden: I am just trying to understand how it is legal to sell sex, if it is illegal to buy it?[/QUOTE]Because women are always the victims. However, at the same time women should be equally represented in goverment, company boards and all the way down to blue collar jobs. Modern women are victims and empowered business types at the same time. Explain THAT logic to me if you can.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1274658]It this was the logic used by all countries, it would really get messed up. I always follow the current laws of the country I'm in, regardless of my own nationality. Besides it gets really tedious and extremely difficult for the local police to investigate these "crimes".[/QUOTE]I agree with you 100% that is illogical and makes no sense to try and apply one country's laws to activities in another country. Just to clarify though, the local police are not expected to enforce them. It is the native country that would try to enforce it once you return. Interestingly US law does not work like that. For example, the secret service agents who had sex with prostitutes cannot be prosecuted for prostitution since they performed an act that is not illegal in the country they are in. Of course, they will find other ways to show that the SS agents violated other US laws but that is a different discussion.
[font=tahoma]If anyone is interested in understanding why Germany is [b]NOT[/b] leading Europe to recovery, you might be interested in reading the following article:
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17889665[/url]
Quote: "One Spanish minister compared the country to the Titanic and had a warning for the Germans: "If there's a sinking here, even the first-class passengers drown."
If I have to read another foolish statement about Germany trying to lead Europe to economic recovery, I think I will explode :)
[b]CD[/b]
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I know prostitution is legal in France but brothels are not. Are brothels legal in Belgium?
Has anybody been to this place yet? I was looking at their website and it looks like only non-alcoholic beverages are covered in their 50 euro cover charge. Odd when their competition usually includes beer (with exception). They also list a garden and what sounds like a large 12 person whirlpool but there are no photo's of these on their website.
Sorry off Topic but what is the story with the Casinos in Frankfurt? They have Huge signage but when you walk in it just 8-10 crappy Video slots LOL
[QUOTE=MoneyShot;1275234]Sorry off Topic but what is the story with the Casinos in Frankfurt? They have Huge signage but when you walk in it just 8-10 crappy Video slots LOL[/QUOTE]A proper "casino" is called "Speilbank" in German. You will need your passport to enter and there is a dress code. I don't know what you want to play, but you can probably find it at Speilbank Bad Homburg or, better yet, Speilbank Weisbaden, where they run Hold 'them cash games and NL tournaments virtually every night. You can reach both places via public transport (e. G. S-bahn) and there used to be a shuttle bus to Speilbank Bad Homburg from right in front of Frankfurt Hbf.
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[QUOTE=Captain Dan; 1274859][font=tahoma]If anyone is interested in understanding why Germany is [b]NOT[/b] Leading Europe to recovery, you might be interested in reading the following article:
[url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17889665[/url]
Quote: "One Spanish minister compared the country to the Titanic and had a warning for the Germans: "If there's a sinking here, even the first-class passengers drown."
If I have to read another foolish statement about Germany trying to lead Europe to economic recovery, I think I will explode.
[b]CD[/b]
[/font][/QUOTE]don't take the banter too seriously. Don't explode. You serve a greater purpose on this board. :-)
The article is more about France's political posturing against Germany. A quote from the article you linked,"In the eurozone, deficits are being reduced. But debt. In many cases. Is still growing. Growth is almost non-existent. Recession has returned for countries like Spain and Italy. The gap between the German economy and the southern economies is only widening."
Thank god for Germany. :-)
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1274649]it's actually forbidden for any Norwegian citizen to buy sex abroad in another country, even if it is legal there, like in Germany. How fucking lame is that?[/QUOTE]Do you have any example of Norwegians be caught abroad and fined for buying sex. (Thailand, Germany are obvious destination.)
[QUOTE=UShobbyist;1275105]I know prostitution is legal in France but brothels are not. Are brothels legal in Belgium?[/QUOTE]Same as in France. Prostitution is legal as well in Belgium, but pimping and brothels are forbidden. However Brussels is known to have a much better designated RLD area than I. E Paris.
Just to make sure, it is spelled Wiesbaden and Spielbank. Actually the casino in Wiesbaden is in the "Kurhaus", a very nice building. Te adjacent restaurant is "Käfers", good food in a nice environment.
HB
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1275432]Same as in France. Prostitution is legal as well in Belgium, but pimping and brothels are forbidden. However Brussels is known to have a much better designated RLD area than I. E Paris.[/QUOTE]Try Antwerp. I was impressed with their RLD.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1275461]Te adjacent restaurant is "Käfers", good food in a nice environment.
HB[/QUOTE]Just to make sure, it is spelled "The" adjacent... :)
Kaefers is great food, for sure and served in a top environment. I love the wood carving in this Spielbank! But, to be honest, there's better food for less money in Wiesbaden, if you know where, or care to schlepp.
But for low buy-in (75euro) Texas Hold 'em tournaments 3 x a week, the Spielbank Wiesbaden reeigns. I often spend one of my nights re-charging in Wiesbaden in between multiple session nights at BHH or Pohlheim.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1275335]Thank god for Germany. :-)[/QUOTE]For the FKKs yes, not for its government's grasp of macroeconomics.
[QUOTE=Ortos;1275529]Just to make sure, it is spelled "The" adjacent. :)[/QUOTE]thanks. Too big thumbs for my tablet.
Kaefers is just a nice environment, food is ok, expensive, drinks are too expensive. Lot's of nice restaurants, bars and bistros in Wiesbaden, in the old part (Schiffchen) , also at Taunusstrasse.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1275534]thanks.
Kaefers is just a nice environment, food is ok, expensive, drinks are too expensive.
HB[/QUOTE]Been a while since I was there, but I remember it being pretty tasty. Never had to pick up the check, so I can't comment on the value aspect.
Cheers,
Dedalus
[QUOTE=Toscana;1275531]For the FKKs yes, not for its government's grasp of macroeconomics.[/QUOTE]SWOOSH!
Still, no one's hands are clean in all this.
Cheers,
Dedalus, seeing some heavy economic weather ahead
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1275402]Do you have any example of Norwegians be caught abroad and fined for buying sex. (Thailand, Germany are obvious destination.)[/QUOTE]One Member of Parlement has been caught and fined. Had to resign. Obvioulsy a politically oriented action.
Morality: if you are Norwegain, and a monger, don't get into politics, oranythingwhich may attract people's attention.
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1275571]One Member of Parlement has been caught and fined. Had to resign. Obvioulsy a politically oriented action.
Morality: if you are Norwegain, and a monger, don't get into politics, oranythingwhich may attract people's attention.[/QUOTE]But to answer Nilles question. Nobody, except from the MP have ever been fined for sextrade abroad. Impossible to survey what Norwegians do abroad. It reminds me of a fun story I had after this stupid law was effective three years ago. I met two dudes from Norway in a brothel, and I went to their table and introduced myself as a police agent undercover. Asking them for their ID, papers and shit! You should see the expression on their faces, I'm still laughing of this episode. It was particularly funny since they were in a brothel for the very first time, so real newbies!
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1275579]But to answer Nilles question. Nobody, except from the MP have ever been fined for sextrade abroad. Impossible to survey what Norwegians do abroad. It reminds me of a fun story I had after this stupid law was effective three years ago. I met two dudes from Norway in a brothel, and I went to their table and introduced myself as a police agent undercover. Asking them for their ID, papers and shit! You should see the expression on their faces, I'm still laughing of this episode. It was particularly funny since they were in a brothel for the very first time, so real newbies![/QUOTE]I'll look forward to see your face when I'm will introduce myself as undercover sex police, so be prepared.
How much is the fine? Is there a reward for catching a Norwegian monger. Hehehe. See you around.
[QUOTE=Toscana;1275531]For the FKKs yes, not for its government's grasp of macroeconomics.[/QUOTE]Glad you picked up on it. That is what I was trying to imply.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1275335]The article is more about France's political posturing against Germany. A quote from the article you linked,"In the eurozone, deficits are being reduced. But debt. In many cases. Is still growing. Growth is almost non-existent. Recession has returned for countries like Spain and Italy. The gap between the German economy and the southern economies is only widening."[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]Thanks for the reply [b]Vitrea[/b]. I selected the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) Website article because it is emanating from a reputable and pretty much unbiased news organisation, from within the EU (i.e. The United Kingdom) and in my opinion is an accurate reflection of the debate within most Eurozone countries (except Germany).
[i]Link to BBC News article: [url]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17889665[/url][/i]
A strong and growing opinion in non-German speaking Europe is that harsh economic remedies are being forced on primarily Southern European countries (particularly at the behest of Germany) at a time when these same countries are in major recession. The effects of this depression are therefore made significantly worse for these Southern European countries.
This leads other Eurozone countries to form an opinion that because Germany is not itself currently in recession, it is finding it particularly easy to recommend harsh measures for other Eurozone countries. Rather than leading the Eurozone, the feeling is that Germany is just looking after its own narrow interest. Hence the reference to the Spanish minister;"One Spanish minister compared the country to the Titanic and had a warning for the Germans: "If there's a sinking here, even the first-class passengers drown."
Obviously most of us are familiar with the ill-famed Titanic (in this case representing the Eurozone) which struck an iceberg and sunk on its maiden trans-Atlantic voyage.
I think that the likely next President of the French Republic is not posturing politically, but accurately reflecting the opinion outside of Germany i.e. that major economic stimulation is required within the EU. Of course German public opinion will come around to this way of thinking as soon as the current unforgiving economic climate which is devastating so many EU countries also starts to affect Germany.
Unfortunately, we must look to others to lead the EU (not Germany). Lets hope its not too late by then to save the Eurozone. [/font]
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1275335]Thank god for Germany. :-)[/QUOTE]It is Germany that finances Grece with a lot of money and it is questionable whether they are able to pay back. So yes the Grece should thank Germany for their help! I agree.
First thing to do is more financial disciplin in Grece and Spain.
Please clear up your inbox.
HB
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1275588]I'll look forward to see your face when I'm will introduce myself as undercover sex police, so be prepared.
How much is the fine? Is there a reward for catching a Norwegian monger. Hehehe. See you around.[/QUOTE]The fine is exorbitant 3000 euros! No there's no "finders" reward. Thank god, I'm afraid that could finance most mongers trip and more! But looking forward to see you around with your badge Nille, but keep your nightstick for the girls!
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1275579]But to answer Nilles question. Nobody, except from the MP have ever been fined for sextrade abroad. Impossible to survey what Norwegians do abroad. It reminds me of a fun story I had after this stupid law was effective three years ago. I met two dudes from Norway in a brothel, and I went to their table and introduced myself as a police agent undercover. Asking them for their ID, papers and shit! You should see the expression on their faces, I'm still laughing of this episode. It was particularly funny since they were in a brothel for the very first time, so real newbies![/QUOTE]Imagine if they were undercover looking themselves, what's the fine for being in a brother AND impersonating a policeman?
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1275878]The fine is exorbitant 3000 euros! No there's no "finders" reward. Thank god, I'm afraid that could finance most mongers trip and more! But looking forward to see you around with your badge Nille, but keep your nightstick for the girls![/QUOTE]That's a lot of money, so did the Norwegian MP get caught then, if the were not hard evidence.
Because he can just say was in the club but didn't fuck anybody.
Is a HJ or BJ enough to get fined?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1275195]Has anybody been to this place yet? I was looking at their website and it looks like only non-alcoholic beverages are covered in their 50 euro cover charge. Odd when their competition usually includes beer (with exception). They also list a garden and what sounds like a large 12 person whirlpool but there are no photo's of these on their website.[/QUOTE]I was at the location last November when part of the building was still Pasha Pauschalclub, It's now one big Saunaclub with some great facillities, Including a good restaurant, If they attract some hot girls the club might do very well, I may check It out myself soon.
Hi Guys, my time to hear some advice from you!
I'll be attending the Automechanika messe due to work. So obviously I would be with some collegues that don't share my hobby, or what do I know. I might be surprised? But the thing is I don't really want to hang out with my work-collegues at night, neither would I reveal my hobby to them, and still I have to get to bed at a reasonable time between Tuesday-Friday. I have to be a human being in the morning and not a FKK-Zombie! I would probably be obliged to have dinner with some of our Asian businesspartners, so I would not have any choice for further "activity". It would be awkward if I run into them at a FKK later in the evening!
My hotel will be very close to FKK Mainhattan. I mean walking distance! My plan was to take things easy during the weekdays, maybe go to a MP / RLD or something, but I really have to get some sleep as well. What would you suggest?
Friday will be a day when all my collegues are leaving Frankfurt. I would of course like to stay, but the hotel prices are really expensive. Then I was thinking, why not go to Giessen, maybe stay one night or more at a local hotel (which I found was not expensive). FKK World would be my choice as it would be less affected by the Messe-crowd and even my favourite Oase. But I fear that the crowd from the Messe would be intolerable at both Oase, Palace and of course Mainhattan. What about Sharks in Darmstadt?
Summary: so my questions are, suggestions for FKK during the weekend, as well as hotel? Do I really need a hotel from Friday to Sunday, as I would stay all night at some FKK? All opinions are welcome, you too Cane!
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1275928]Summary: so my questions are, suggestions for FKK during the weekend, as well as hotel? Do I really need a hotel from Friday to Sunday, as I would stay all night at some FKK? All opinions are welcome, you too Cane![/QUOTE]You can easily stay all night at World on a weekend, plenty of couch's downstairs to catch some Zzz's. Park in the side lot, they probably don't have any issue if you say you drank some beer and don't want to drive home. Then at 10:45 you walk back to the front desk to be let inside. No waste of gas.
You can also try to get a room at the grunem baum right down the road, you have to call them (no internet). I've had the front desk book them for me from time to time when other hotels staff were no-shows.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1275928]Hi Guys, my time to hear some advice from you!
I'll be attending the Automechanika messe due to work. So obviously I would be with some collegues that don't share my hobby, or what do I know. I might be surprised? But the thing is I don't really want to hang out with my work-collegues at night, neither would I reveal my hobby to them, and still I have to get to bed at a reasonable time between Tuesday-Friday. I have to be a human being in the morning and not a FKK-Zombie! I would probably be obliged to have dinner with some of our Asian businesspartners, so I would not have any choice for further "activity". It would be awkward if I run into them at a FKK later in the evening!
My hotel will be very close to FKK Mainhattan. I mean walking distance! My plan was to take things easy during the weekdays, maybe go to a MP / RLD or something, but I really have to get some sleep as well. What would you suggest?[/QUOTE]Well Asian businesspartners never say no to karaoke and sex, why don't you ask them if they want to meet some nice girls and take them to a Fkk club, maybe they will sponsor your entrance. If I stay close to Mainhattan like you, I would go there even it's only for a few hours of fun, it's still relaxing after a long day of work and easy to get back for a good sleep.
Or you might invite some of the models from the car shows back to your hotel.
As many of you know I have recently completed a tour of berlin frankfurt and samya clubs. For sometime now I have been searching outside of germany and a model different to the fkk model but the truth is I cannot find a better playground for this p4p girl "interaction hobby!"LOL as captain dan once said "why go anywhere else when there is so much to do in germany" I am now starting to come round to this mind of thought as where else in the world can a gentleman relax in clean safe surroundings where activities are legal and the vast majority of girls are there by their own choice and to put the icing on the cake they are happy to walk around butt naked for you giving you plenty of time to choose interact and finally pick. In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. Anyway all I have done is state what is already known my reason for posting is as follows. I have recently come into a relatively small amount of money but for me quite a lot. I am trying to plan a mega trip for September as I can not get away any earlier due to personal commitements. The amount is upwards of 3. 5k euros. I have calculated at best I will have around a 12 day trip combined with at least 16-17 hours of playtime plus hotels etc etc. The problem I am facing is that I have visited frankfurt, berlin, nrw and globe zurich to now. I have been trying really hard to come up with an itinerary that has a flare of adventure in it, some novelty value ie something new and to really make it an fkk dream holiday to end all! LOL ideas to date involve vv party, revisit 1 or 2 days to globe zurich and also air niky does dirt cheap flights from berlin and frankfurt to vienna where I would be able to visit gt vienna for the first time in conjunction with the german clubs. I am also quite happy to hop around on trains as you all know. Basically what I am asking members is what would YOUR dream fkk holiday schedule and program be in order to give me ideas and new inspirations I may have missed.
Many thanks.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1275920]I was at the location last November when part of the building was still Pasha Pauschalclub, It's now one big Saunaclub with some great facillities, Including a good restaurant, If they attract some hot girls the club might do very well, I may check It out myself soon.[/QUOTE]Ooops why did I say Pasha, I meant Harem LOL,
[QUOTE=Big30; 1275630]It is Germany that finances Grece with a lot of money and it is questionable whether they are able to pay back. So yes the Grece should thank Germany for their help! I agree.
First thing to do is more financial disciplin in Grece and Spain.[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]I disagree! The European Union and IMF have loaned money to Greece which must be paid back with interest. Anyway if Greece were to completely default (which might yet happen), many of the banks in Germany, France and other EU countries, would collapse because they have invested unwisely in Greece. The German taxpayer would have to bail out their banks for tens and tens of billions and the German economy would be plunged into a major recession. If Spain collapses, all of us in the European Union are going to be dragged down to the bottom (Germany included). For better or for worse we are all part of the European Union and consequently all our fates are very much interlinked. [/font]
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1275956]As many of you know I have recently completed a tour of berlin frankfurt and samya clubs. For sometime now I have been searching outside of germany and a model different to the fkk model but the truth is I cannot find a better playground for this p4p girl "interaction hobby!"LOL as captain dan once said "why go anywhere else when there is so much to do in germany" I am now starting to come round to this mind of thought as where else in the world can a gentleman relax in clean safe surroundings where activities are legal and the vast majority of girls are there by their own choice and to put the icing on the cake they are happy to walk around butt naked for you giving you plenty of time to choose interact and finally pick. In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. Anyway all I have done is state what is already known my reason for posting is as follows. I have recently come into a relatively small amount of money but for me quite a lot. I am trying to plan a mega trip for September as I can not get away any earlier due to personal commitements. The amount is upwards of 3. 5k euros. I have calculated at best I will have around a 12 day trip combined with at least 16-17 hours of playtime plus hotels etc etc. The problem I am facing is that I have visited frankfurt, berlin, nrw and globe zurich to now. I have been trying really hard to come up with an itinerary that has a flare of adventure in it, some novelty value ie something new and to really make it an fkk dream holiday to end all! LOL ideas to date involve vv party, revisit 1 or 2 days to globe zurich and also air niky does dirt cheap flights from berlin and frankfurt to vienna where I would be able to visit gt vienna for the first time in conjunction with the german clubs. I am also quite happy to hop around on trains as you all know. Basically what I am asking members is what would YOUR dream fkk holiday schedule and program be in order to give me ideas and new inspirations I may have missed.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Please make some paragraphs in your posts. It is almost impossible to read as it is.
[QUOTE=Mohab;1275956]In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. Basically what I am asking members is what would YOUR dream fkk holiday schedule and program be in order to give me ideas and new inspirations I may have missed.[/QUOTE]The termas of Rio de Janeiro also have the same set-up, but you'll have to go to South America for that! Why don't you visit some of the clubs in the Hamburg area to see what they are like? I would love to see some recent reports on Hamburg before I make my own trip to that city.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1275956]As many of you know I have recently completed a tour of berlin frankfurt and samya clubs. For sometime now I have been searching outside of germany and a model different to the fkk model but the truth is I cannot find a better playground for this p4p girl "interaction hobby!"LOL as captain dan once said "why go anywhere else when there is so much to do in germany" I am now starting to come round to this mind of thought as where else in the world can a gentleman relax in clean safe surroundings where activities are legal and the vast majority of girls are there by their own choice and to put the icing on the cake they are happy to walk around butt naked for you giving you plenty of time to choose interact and finally pick. In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. Anyway all I have done is state what is already known my reason for posting is as follows. I have recently come into a relatively small amount of money but for me quite a lot. I am trying to plan a mega trip for September as I can not get away any earlier due to personal commitements. The amount is upwards of 3. 5k euros. I have calculated at best I will have around a 12 day trip combined with at least 16-17 hours of playtime plus hotels etc etc. The problem I am facing is that I have visited frankfurt, berlin, nrw and globe zurich to now. I have been trying really hard to come up with an itinerary that has a flare of adventure in it, some novelty value ie something new and to really make it an fkk dream holiday to end all! LOL ideas to date involve vv party, revisit 1 or 2 days to globe zurich and also air niky does dirt cheap flights from berlin and frankfurt to vienna where I would be able to visit gt vienna for the first time in conjunction with the german clubs. I am also quite happy to hop around on trains as you all know. Basically what I am asking members is what would YOUR dream fkk holiday schedule and program be in order to give me ideas and new inspirations I may have missed.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]If I had a budget of 3, 500 I might do a weekend In Gemany, but would probably do 30 days In Pattaya Thailand.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1276203]If I had a budget of 3, 500 I might do a weekend In Gemany, but would probably do 30 days In Pattaya Thailand.[/QUOTE]I agree, You get better value for the money in Asia. Thailand, Indo, Philippines, ect.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1275956]As many of you know I have recently completed a tour of berlin frankfurt and samya clubs. For sometime now I have been searching outside of germany and a model different to the fkk model but the truth is I cannot find a better playground for this p4p girl "interaction hobby!"LOL as captain dan once said "why go anywhere else when there is so much to do in germany" I am now starting to come round to this mind of thought as where else in the world can a gentleman relax in clean safe surroundings where activities are legal and the vast majority of girls are there by their own choice and to put the icing on the cake they are happy to walk around butt naked for you giving you plenty of time to choose interact and finally pick. In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. Anyway all I have done is state what is already known my reason for posting is as follows. I have recently come into a relatively small amount of money but for me quite a lot. I am trying to plan a mega trip for September as I can not get away any earlier due to personal commitements. The amount is upwards of 3. 5k euros. I have calculated at best I will have around a 12 day trip combined with at least 16-17 hours of playtime plus hotels etc etc. The problem I am facing is that I have visited frankfurt, berlin, nrw and globe zurich to now. I have been trying really hard to come up with an itinerary that has a flare of adventure in it, some novelty value ie something new and to really make it an fkk dream holiday to end all! LOL ideas to date involve vv party, revisit 1 or 2 days to globe zurich and also air niky does dirt cheap flights from berlin and frankfurt to vienna where I would be able to visit gt vienna for the first time in conjunction with the german clubs. I am also quite happy to hop around on trains as you all know. Basically what I am asking members is what would YOUR dream fkk holiday schedule and program be in order to give me ideas and new inspirations I may have missed.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Why blow all your money on one megatrip, because in the end you get used to the naked girls. Also most clubs are only hopping Fre-Sat.
You are not living that far from Germany, I would do multiple trips in stead. If you go for novelty value, there are Sharks. 5Th element, Mainhattan, colosseum, hawaii, Paradise, ACA, PHG, PSR, GT and Funpalast (Vie). And many more.
Does anyone know the hours of the Palace? I have a 5 hour layover in Frankfurt and would like to get a quick relief before my long flight back to the US but I will be arriving around 6:00 am. I assume they will be closed then and if so is there any reliable action near the airport? Thanks for your help.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1276203]If I had a budget of 3, 500 I might do a weekend In Gemany, but would probably do 30 days In Pattaya Thailand.[/QUOTE]Yes, but for who love white women, CIS girls are more expensive and their quality aren't good in Pataya.
[QUOTE=Beavis;1276222]Does anyone know the hours of the Palace? I have a 5 hour layover in Frankfurt and would like to get a quick relief before my long flight back to the US but I will be arriving around 6:00 am. I assume they will be closed then and if so is there any reliable action near the airport? Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]They open from 10am, so not a good timing for you, it's too early for action, sorry.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1275956]As many of you know I have recently completed a tour of berlin frankfurt and samya clubs. For sometime now I have been searching outside of germany and a model different to the fkk model but the truth is I cannot find a better playground for this p4p girl "interaction hobby!"LOL as captain dan once said "why go anywhere else when there is so much to do in germany" I am now starting to come round to this mind of thought as where else in the world can a gentleman relax in clean safe surroundings where activities are legal and the vast majority of girls are there by their own choice and to put the icing on the cake they are happy to walk around butt naked for you giving you plenty of time to choose interact and finally pick. In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. .
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Brazil with their Terma (sauna clubs) , Argentina, Macau sauna clubs. Probably much cheaper but much further from wherever you are.
[QUOTE=Beavis;1276222]Does anyone know [B]the hours of the Palace?[/B] I have a 5 hour layover in Frankfurt and would like to get a quick relief before my long flight back to the US but I will be [U]arriving around 6:00 am. I assume they will be closed[/U] then and if so is there any reliable action near the airport? Thanks for your help.[/QUOTE]As per the Palace mobile web site:
[url]http://mobi.the-palace.de/start.php?lng=en[/url]
[QUOTE=FKK PALACE]Voilŕ.
Real gourmets like be indulged and so the The Palace's Gourmet Breakfast is just the ticket.
Breakfast includes.
- Sparkling wine.
- Eggs (fried or scrambled)
- Selection of breadrolls.
- Tasty cakes to sweeten your morning.
- Fresh shrimp.
Just the right breakfast to kick off a successful and terrific day.
Welcome to the mobile app of The Palace.
We are open daily from 10. 00 am To 4. 00 am.
THE PALACE.
Gentlemen's Saunaclub[/QUOTE]Looks like you assume correctly.
Myr.
I tried the link several times and it will not open. Tried it yesterday too.
[QUOTE=Beavis;1276264]I tried the link several times and it will not open. Tried it yesterday too.[/QUOTE]Bummer. Try the link in my post, it is working. If you can't get it, but can still reach ISG, maybe check your browser security settings?
I just tried the main site, no problem.
Myr.
I did but found out anyway they are closed. Am using internet via a satellite from Tanzania, probably why it won't connect. Anyway from what I have gathered there won't be much of anythign available during the hours I am there. 6:00 am. To 11:00 am. Probably just hang around the airport and shop with the money I had planned for playing.
[QUOTE=Mohab;1275956]I have recently come into a relatively small amount of money but for me quite a lot. I am trying to plan a mega trip for September as I can not get away any earlier due to personal commitements. The amount is upwards of 3. 5k euros.[/QUOTE]Is this the moment where you ask me to help you get rid of this amount of money, I just have to give you my I'd, account and credit card number? I'd gladly be your wingman! But seriously, you have some options. You could do approx. One week in Prague, some fun days in multiple FKKs in NRW to make them last longer. Thailand was proposed, but of course the flight ticket would cost you more, and you have to be into asian girls. For a short flight, I'd say Germany is your best bet. Prague would be more expensive, because you would probably spend too much on Ladies Drinks instead of the action itself. Just my 3, 5 cents.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1275944]Well Asian businesspartners never say no to karaoke and sex, why don't you ask them if they want to meet some nice girls and take them to a Fkk club, maybe they will sponsor your entrance. If I stay close to Mainhattan like you, I would go there even it's only for a few hours of fun, it's still relaxing after a long day of work and easy to get back for a good sleep.
Or you might invite some of the models from the car shows back to your hotel.[/QUOTE]Karaoke and sex haha. Nille, you have so many prejudices! But I would be with collegues that I know are not into FKKs, and I really don't know if the Asian guys are interested to go to a FKK as they are actually father and son! Well you never know? But I think that you had a good advice about Mainhattan during the weekdays as it is very close. And the best incentive is that they have decreased their entry to only 50 euros! Do you know if this is permanently or just a temporary offer?
During the weekend, I'd probably go to World and maybe Oase. Do you guys know if there are still a lot of people from the messe on Friday / Saturday in Oase?
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1276308]But I.don't know if the Asian guys are interested to go to a FKK as they are actually father and son![/QUOTE]Hey, considering some guys fantasy is sisters / mother-daughter, who knows, father-son may ring some girl's bell's?
LOL.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1276308]Karaoke and sex haha. Nille, you have so many prejudices![/QUOTE]I'm dead serious, my friend who do business with Asian guys, always invite them out for Karaoke, drinks and girls before they can do business deals.
Maybe you can ask the father and the son will follow. You could suggest a business dinner at the club
If they don't want to fuck then it's just like being in a strip-club, no harm is done.
World should be too far away to be affected by the messe crowd, on the other hand expect Palace and Oase to be overrun.
[QUOTE=Beavis;1276290]I did but found out anyway they are closed. Am using internet via a satellite from Tanzania, probably why it won't connect. Anyway from what I have gathered there won't be much of anythign available during the hours I am there. 6:00 am. To 11:00 am.[/QUOTE]Beavis,
There is also the red light district which is near the main train station. The train from Frankfurt Main airport to the main train station is around 12 minutes. It will be a rush but is is possible. As a guide sessions start around 25 to 30. There are girls from the red light district that have come from FKKs and vice versa.
Either that or try and score a Lufthansa air hostess for a quickie in the VIP lounge.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1276308]During the weekend, I'd probably go to World and maybe Oase. Do you guys know if there are still a lot of people from the messe on Friday / Saturday in Oase?[/QUOTE]What I have found is that the last day of the trade fair is not so bad and things return to normal the day after the trade fair. So it depends what day the trade fair that you are attending ends.
I have already asked, but never gotten a response. Anybody know which clubs have the most German girls working in them? I've been to GT and Livingroom and I love those clubs because of there are a lot of sexy German girls there. Which clubs do you think has the most German girls in it? I am also into Hungarian and Polish girls too because they they to share similarities with German girls.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1276620]I have already asked, but never gotten a response. Anybody know which clubs have the most German girls working in them? I've been to GT and Livingroom and I love those clubs because of there are a lot of sexy German girls there. Which clubs do you think has the most German girls in it? I am also into Hungarian and Polish girls too because they they to share similarities with German girls.[/QUOTE]If you are looking for a club with most DE-girls, I would suggest Artemis.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1276620]I have already asked, but never gotten a response. Anybody know which clubs have the most German girls working in them?[/QUOTE]Very rarely will a girl tell me she's Hungarian, Polish or german. Not saying it doesn't happen, its just rare to hear those countries. And I've been to many, many clubs. There's your response, feel free to quit asking the question.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1276620]I have already asked, but never gotten a response. Anybody know which clubs have the most German girls working in them? I've been to GT and Livingroom and I love those clubs because of there are a lot of sexy German girls there. Which clubs do you think has the most German girls in it? I am also into Hungarian and Polish girls too because they they to share similarities with German girls.[/QUOTE]Your favorite club, The Palace, actually has a fairly sizeable German contingent, up to 10 such girls, I think.
The clubs that only allow girls that speak German always have a fair number of german girls. I would expect you can find a reasonable number of German girls in Golden Time, Freude and I hear Livingroom has gone native recently. For some reason there also seems to be a reasonable amount of German girls in Ying Yang in the Netherlands. Less chance to run into your neighbour.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1276827]The clubs that only allow girls that speak German always have a fair number of german girls. I would expect you can find a reasonable number of German girls in Golden Time, Freude and I hear Livingroom has gone native recently. For some reason there also seems to be a reasonable amount of German girls in Ying Yang in the Netherlands. Less chance to run into your neighbour.[/QUOTE]Are the girls young (20-25) at Freude and YingYang? I know Bernd's has fair amount of German girls, but they were MILFs. I have been to GT and Livingroom. They are definitely my kind of club I realized after visiting GT for the second time (first time, didn't feel comfortable because it was so small and packed on Friday night). I love how the girls wait for you to approach them, and when you do, they are very polite. I think it's a German and Dutch oriented club, and I notice the differences from a typical Frankfurt club. Customer's are usually either German, from Holland, or Belgien (Mostly white). Then, there are Asians (I am also Asian) that frequent the club, and I tell you, Asians get great service at those clubs. I also love how girls sit alone (some clubs girls sit together or sit in mass in smoking room, which turns me off from approaching them) in the couch or bar chair waiting for you to approach them, and they are very polite when you talk to them. I think the management lays certain standards for the kind of girls that can work there. Also, before I left living room, the management lady asked me if everything was ok, and I said yes (typical German management style, sakura was like that). She asked me which girls I was with. So I think they do really care about how satisfied the customers are.
Anyway, thanks for the tip on looking for German girls, I do really like how they carry themselves at the clubs, they are very polite, and not too pushy. So I guess, I should look toward German or Dutch customer oriented clubs. Any other suggestions would be great.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;1276620]I have already asked, but never gotten a response. Anybody know which clubs have the most German girls working in them? I've been to GT and Livingroom and I love those clubs because of there are a lot of sexy German girls there. Which clubs do you think has the most German girls in it? I am also into Hungarian and Polish girls too because they they to share similarities with German girls.[/QUOTE]Pound for pound and inch for inch, the Polish girls are my favorite. I've met Poles at Artemis, Palace, Oase, and Golden Time. I've enjoyed Hungarian at Palace, Mainhattan, and World. Also think I may have met one Hungarian at Oase who wanted to fuck me, but I had already done my damage for the night. Most of the German girls I have been with worked at Artemis and Palace. There were a few at Oase, but with the exception of Lynn (was going by Julia at Artemis) , I have not been too attracted to the handful of German girls I have met at Oase.
Hope that helps.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1276852]Are the girls young (20-25) at Freude and YingYang? I know Bernd's has fair amount of German girls, but they were MILFs. I have been to GT and Livingroom. They are definitely my kind of club I realized after visiting GT for the second time (first time, didn't feel comfortable because it was so small and packed on Friday night). I love how the girls wait for you to approach them, and when you do, they are very polite. I think it's a German and Dutch oriented club, and I notice the differences from a typical Frankfurt club. Customer's are usually either German, from Holland, or Belgien (Mostly white). Then, there are Asians (I am also Asian) that frequent the club, and I tell you, Asians get great service at those clubs. I also love how girls sit alone (some clubs girls sit together or sit in mass in smoking room, which turns me off from approaching them) in the couch or bar chair waiting for you to approach them, and they are very polite when you talk to them. I think the management lays certain standards for the kind of girls that can work there. Also, before I left living room, the management lady asked me if everything was ok, and I said yes (typical German management style, sakura was like that). She asked me which girls I was with. So I think they do really care about how satisfied the customers are.
Anyway, thanks for the tip on looking for German girls, I do really like how they carry themselves at the clubs, they are very polite, and not too pushy. So I guess, I should look toward German or Dutch customer oriented clubs. Any other suggestions would be great.[/QUOTE]Well I can't really talk from experience too much, since I like neither German girls, nor GT. The girls in Ying Yang are int the same age range as GT; Freude has mostly girls in their twenties, but also some girls that are bit older. It is a morning club and especially the German girls might call it a day early if they made enough money (as early as 3 pm). I was there yesterday and I know of at least 7 German girls that were there, many of the other girls have been in Germany for a bit longer as well. Pretty much all girls are very polite. The girls here aren't allowed to approach you, so if you like that you're in the right place. It is very German oriented though, with only some Belgians and Dutch guys to break the uniformtiy. It does have the reputation to have somewhat of doorpolicy, but being white I can't say I've ever noticed. Service levels are off the charts by the way.
[QUOTE=The Cane; 1276878]Pound for pound and inch for inch, the Polish girls are my favorite. I've met Poles at Artemis, Palace, Oase, and Golden Time. I've enjoyed Hungarian at Palace, Mainhattan, and World. Also think I may have met one Hungarian at Oase who wanted to fuck me, but I had already done my damage for the night. Most of the German girls I have been with worked at Artemis and Palace. There were a few at Oase, but with the exception of Lynn (was going by Julia at Artemis) , I have not been too attracted to the handful of German girls I have met at Oase.
Hope that helps.[/QUOTE]No Hungarian at Palace. Hungarian at Artemis, Mainhattan, and World. Also approached by one Hungarian at Oase that I can recall. Told her I would do her "later", but then reneged on my pledge hehehe! Had done my screwing for the night.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1277025]Well I can't really talk from experience too much, since I like neither German girls, nor GT. The girls in Ying Yang are int the same age range as GT; Freude has mostly girls in their twenties, but also some girls that are bit older. It is a morning club and especially the German girls might call it a day early if they made enough money (as early as 3 pm). I was there yesterday and I know of at least 7 German girls that were there, many of the other girls have been in Germany for a bit longer as well. Pretty much all girls are very polite. The girls here aren't allowed to approach you, so if you like that you're in the right place. It is very German oriented though, with only some Belgians and Dutch guys to break the uniformtiy. It does have the reputation to have somewhat of doorpolicy, but being white I can't say I've ever noticed. Service levels are off the charts by the way.[/QUOTE]How are the ladies down at Ying Yang? I've done some reading on the club, and they rate the girls low ( 8/10, ladies global score). Does that mean, there are no 8 or 9s there? Are they mostly 5s? I've also read that girls to men ratio is very bad, and girls will reject many guest's requests. That's too bad, from what I've read, there are good amount of German and Polish girls.
Also, you say that Ying Yang and Freude both are morning clubs?
Also, what about Dutch girls? Any clubs with mostly Dutch girls in them? I have a thing for Dutch girls, and was wondering where I can find them.
[QUOTE=PussyLiccker; 1277277]How are the ladies down at Ying Yang? I've done some reading on the club, and they rate the girls low (8/10, ladies global score). Does that mean, there are no 8 or 9s there? Are they mostly 5s? I've also read that girls to men ratio is very bad, and girls will reject many guest's requests. That's too bad, from what I've read, there are good amount of German and Polish girls.
Also, you say that Ying Yang and Freude both are morning clubs?
Also, what about Dutch girls? Any clubs with mostly Dutch girls in them? I have a thing for Dutch girls, and was wondering where I can find them.[/QUOTE]In all honesty I haven't been to YY for a while, since it is only 15km from GT. While I don't really like GT, they do have a better and larger line-up; so if I have to go to a club in this area at all, I usually go to GT. What girls in YY is concerned there are very few Romanian girls (that's what I hear at least) , and some guys really like that; I can't really comment on the looks. I mentioned the club because I always noticed the relatively large amount of German girls there. When I asked a girl why she doesn't work in a German club, she told me about turning up for work once and quickly leaving again when she saw a girl she knew (neighbour) that was working as well; so working a bit farther from home seemed a better idea. I also hear that BBBJ and dfk can be problematic at times (apparantly Dutch law is such that the club can't be too strict) , just like many girls wanting 100 an hour (but you have this in GT as well).
Both clubs have early entry discounts (freude 30 before 12am, YY 40 before 2 pm) , but it is mostly in Freude that you see a peak in guests around 12-1 and a drop off after 4 pm. Many guys just come in to have a fuck with their regular and leave again. Often you see some girls leave between (something like) 4pm and 9pm as well; they often come back with bags of local clothing stores. On Friday / Saturday the club is open till 3am, so apparantly a second wave of customers arrives around midnight (hence girls coming back after their shopping). This is really the only club I know of, where the early afternoon is the busiest time (also means that many girls can treat it as regular 10-6 job).
You hardly see Dutch girls in the clubs, I know there is one in Villa Marisol and 2 in YY, I don't really know why. They probably van make more for less service in Dutch clubs. That's why many Dutch guys travel to the German clubs BTW.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1275956]As many of you know I have recently completed a tour of berlin frankfurt and samya clubs. For sometime now I have been searching outside of germany and a model different to the fkk model but the truth is I cannot find a better playground for this p4p girl "interaction hobby!"LOL as captain dan once said "why go anywhere else when there is so much to do in germany" I am now starting to come round to this mind of thought as where else in the world can a gentleman relax in clean safe surroundings where activities are legal and the vast majority of girls are there by their own choice and to put the icing on the cake they are happy to walk around butt naked for you giving you plenty of time to choose interact and finally pick. In fact I can only find austria, switzerland and germany which have such set ups. Anyway all I have done is state what is already known my reason for posting is as follows. I have recently come into a relatively small amount of money but for me quite a lot. I am trying to plan a mega trip for September as I can not get away any earlier due to personal commitements. The amount is upwards of 3. 5k euros. I have calculated at best I will have around a 12 day trip combined with at least 16-17 hours of playtime plus hotels etc etc. The problem I am facing is that I have visited frankfurt, berlin, nrw and globe zurich to now. I have been trying really hard to come up with an itinerary that has a flare of adventure in it, some novelty value ie something new and to really make it an fkk dream holiday to end all! LOL ideas to date involve vv party, revisit 1 or 2 days to globe zurich and also air niky does dirt cheap flights from berlin and frankfurt to vienna where I would be able to visit gt vienna for the first time in conjunction with the german clubs. I am also quite happy to hop around on trains as you all know. Basically what I am asking members is what would YOUR dream fkk holiday schedule and program be in order to give me ideas and new inspirations I may have missed.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Since you have been and done and done so many FKKs already, If I were you, I would go to Ukraine.
As you know, FKKs can get to be a bit boring if you do them back to back for 12 days, mainly as you said, due to lack of adventure and variety.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1275928]Then I was thinking, why not go to Giessen, maybe stay one night or more at a local hotel (which I found was not expensive). FKK World would be my choice as it would be less affected by the Messe-crowd and even my favourite Oase. But I fear that the crowd from the Messe would be intolerable at both Oase, Palace and of course Mainhattan. What about Sharks in Darmstadt?
Summary: so my questions are, suggestions for FKK during the weekend, as well as hotel? Do I really need a hotel from Friday to Sunday, as I would stay all night at some FKK? All opinions are welcome, you too Cane![/QUOTE]One option is to sleep in a VIP room at World. It's more expensive than a cheap hotel, but how often do you get the chance to sleep over in an FKK club? The only problem for me would be having to stay up until 4 or 5 AM.
[url]http://www.fkk-world.de/en/our-prices[/url]
"Overnight stay. VIP rooms with private bathroom. Price per night 100- Euro. The room is available from the closing of the club until 11 am On the following day. (If you would like to stay in our club on the next day, you have to pay the daily entrance again)"
Hi guys,
I'm due to visit Berlin soon and would really like to get some info on fkk clubs bordellos and sex kinos such as entry costs and if its worth going to fkk or bordello or sex kinos. Which seems to be the biggest rip off in terms of scams? Also I would really like to visit a thai massage and do they offer sex as part of the massage
Thanks guys for your replys.
Del
[QUOTE=Delbhoy; 1278069]Hi guys,
I'm due to visit Berlin soon and would really like to get some info on fkk clubs bordellos and sex kinos such as entry costs and if its worth going to fkk or bordello or sex kinos. Which seems to be the biggest rip off in terms of scams? Also I would really like to visit a thai massage and do they offer sex as part of the massage
Thanks guys for your replys.
Del[/QUOTE]Hi and welcome to the forum! I suggest you read the Berlin thread which provides lots of information. When will you be there? I will be there myself in about 3 weeks. I would strongly recommend the great guide to Berlins bordello and FKK scene by Angus Magee!
[url]www.angusmagee.com[/url]
Since Marijuana is legal in Netherlands but not so in DE, do any of you know if you get in serious trouble if you bring a couple of joints across the border?
Is smoking in the outdoor areas of the NRW clubs frowned upon or look the other way or well accepted? Do you know of or run into any girls that like to share?
I smoked a joint in GT in Vienna. I asked couple of girls and both of them showed interest but I got the sense that they would get in trouble if management found out so they did not try. They were cool with me smoking though.
Other Guys that have been to Rio and the FKKs, Have you notice any Similarity in the Girls?
One thing I noticed is lots of Lip licking when they are getting pounded. Maybe it is because I am so Handsome LOL.
Can't wait to get back to Frankfurt and Hamburg in August.
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1278228]Since Marijuana is legal in Netherlands but not so in DE, do any of you know if you get in serious trouble if you bring a couple of joints across the border?
Is smoking in the outdoor areas of the NRW clubs frowned upon or look the other way or well accepted? Do you know of or run into any girls that like to share?
I smoked a joint in GT in Vienna. I asked couple of girls and both of them showed interest but I got the sense that they would get in trouble if management found out so they did not try. They were cool with me smoking though.[/QUOTE]First of all, there are sometimes border checks for just this thing; once there were border officials with a dog walking through my train from Venlo. In the clubs it happens, but I'm also sure the management isn't really happy with it (just like they don't want the girls to drink). The only time I've seen a spliff, was in PSR, where a German guy shared it with a girl (I declined the offered hit, since I can smoke legally anytime I want. I could get a joint and be back home in 3 minutes).
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1278228]Since Marijuana is legal in Netherlands but not so in DE, do any of you know if you get in serious trouble if you bring a couple of joints across the border?
Is smoking in the outdoor areas of the NRW clubs frowned upon or look the other way or well accepted? Do you know of or run into any girls that like to share?
I smoked a joint in GT in Vienna. I asked couple of girls and both of them showed interest but I got the sense that they would get in trouble if management found out so they did not try. They were cool with me smoking though.[/QUOTE]I don't know the official rules, but at GT I sometimes smell weed from people smoking out in the garden.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1278236]First of all, there are sometimes border checks for just this thing; once there were border officials with a dog walking through my train from Venlo. In the clubs it happens, but I'm also sure the management isn't really happy with it (just like they don't want the girls to drink). The only time I've seen a spliff, was in PSR, where a German guy shared it with a girl (I declined the offered hit, since I can smoke legally anytime I want. I could get a joint and be back home in 3 minutes).[/QUOTE]That is interesting but make sense to check trains for people carrying stuff by bag loads. May be they won, t bother you if you have a couple for personal consumption.
[QUOTE=MoneyShot; 1278229]Other Guys that have been to Rio and the FKKs, Have you notice any Similarity in the Girls?
One thing I noticed is lots of Lip licking when they are getting pounded. Maybe it is because I am so Handsome LOL.
Can't wait to get back to Frankfurt and Hamburg in August.[/QUOTE]I have had 4 trips to Rio and two trips to FKK land and I love them both. Below are my observations.
In Rio, the Termas girls will do a lot more flirting and kissing outside the room. Also, they will be more likely to hang out with you post session and provide that "service after sale" that I like to speak of. Lastly, after the termas closes (about midnight or 1AM) the Rio girls are a lot more likely to meet you back at your hotel or the bar or beach the next day etc. I think there have been a lot of "Pretty Woman" stories with the Termas girls and they may be trying to set you up for that ultimate session fee called alimony. The game is very different in Rio and the FKK. The FKK is very inexpensive per session and the session is shorter and guys session multiple times a visit. In Rio a session costs more and it is at least 10 minutes longer and the girl will allow multiple SOG. At the termas, typically you pick a girl and that is it. Many guys don't session at all. After the session the Termas girl will frequently hang out with you etc. About half of the Termas girls I have sessioned with have given me their e-mail address or cell. In the FKK after a 50E session it is unlikely that the girl will not acknowledge that you are alive when she passes you in the club.
I love both formats. The FKK is a little more business like and I am OK with this. Again these are my observations based on a small sample size.
[QUOTE=MoneyShot;1278229]Other Guys that have been to Rio and the FKKs, Have you notice any Similarity in the Girls?[/QUOTE][QUOTE=HungryStud101; 1278282]I have had 4 trips to Rio and two trips to FKK land and I love them both. Below are my observations.
In Rio, the Termas girls will do a lot more flirting and kissing outside the room. Also, they will be more likely to hang out with you post session and provide that "service after sale" that I like to speak of. Lastly, after the termas closes (about midnight or 1AM) the Rio girls are a lot more likely to meet you back at your hotel or the bar or beach the next day etc. I think there have been a lot of "Pretty Woman" stories with the Termas girls and they may be trying to set you up for that ultimate session fee called alimony. The game is very different in Rio and the FKK. The FKK is very inexpensive per session and the session is shorter and guys session multiple times a visit. In Rio a session costs more and it is at least 10 minutes longer and the girl will allow multiple SOG. At the termas, typically you pick a girl and that is it. Many guys don't session at all. After the session the Termas girl will frequently hang out with you etc. About half of the Termas girls I have sessioned with have given me their e-mail address or cell. In the FKK after a 50E session it is unlikely that the girl will not acknowledge that you are alive when she passes you in the club.
I love both formats. The FKK is a little more business like and I am OK with this. Again these are my observations based on a small sample size.[/QUOTE]I am a very experienced Rio monger, having been there 13 times and visited several termas each time. My FKK experience, however, is limited to two visits to Artemis, although that will soon change.
I agree with everything HungryStud101 says, although I would add two important things. In the Rio termas, just about every sexual encounter is a GFE. You don't have to worry about a girl not providing certain services, because DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and CFS are standard, and anal is quite common and does not incur an extra charge. In fact, charging extra for services is unheard of. Either the girl does certain things or she doesn't.
The other obvious difference is that in the FKKs the girls are naked, whereas in the termas they wear bikinis or the equivalent. And, although there are some barracudas, Brazilian girls are generally just more fun to be around. I may be biased by the fact that I speak Portuguese and don't speak German.
I no longer go to Brazil because it has become prohibitively expensive. Going to a Rio termas and sessioning with 3 girls could easily cost well upwards of US$500, so by comparison even the upscale FKKs are cheap.
To sum up, it's a tradeoff, but I think now the balance is in favor of FKKs. I'll tell you more in a week or so.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1278351]I agree with everything HungryStud101 says, although I would add two important things. In the Rio termas, just about every sexual encounter is a GFE. You don't have to worry about a girl not providing certain services, because DFK, DATY, BBBJ, and CFS are standard, and anal is quite common and does not incur an extra charge. In fact, charging extra for services is unheard of. Either the girl does certain things or she doesn't.[/QUOTE]Good points. And I forgot, anal seems to be standard service in Brazil for some reason. So if you are an anal guy you will have no problem finding a Termas girl to provide this at no extra charge where as at an FKK it is 100Euro extra. So if you are an anal freak the costs become very similar. Ignoring the entrance fee the cost drinks at the Termas the cost would be as follows:
Termas L'umo. 250 R based on an exchange rate of 1. 8 R / 1 USD = 138 USD per session including anal. (Add extra for drinks but L'umo provided food last visit)
Oase / world .150Euro based on a 1. 42 USD / 1Euro = 213 USD per session including anal.
Wow! I have to check these numbers out but I believe this is close
Never been to the thermas, but some of the numbers and assertions here focus heavily on Hessen. An hour long session in Samya, GT, LR, PHG with anal is 125 euros (100 for half an hour). Then there are the clubs that charge 40 or 30 for each half an hour (Acapulco and Heaven7). In these clubs it is also a lot more common for girls to be booked for 5-6 hours at a time (probably at less than 75 an hour).
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1278268]That is interesting but make sense to check trains for people carrying stuff by bag loads. May be they won, t bother you if you have a couple for personal consumption.[/QUOTE]They will bother even if you have only a few grams for personal consumption. The fine you must pay in NRW is I thought 200E (can differ between the Bundesländer / States). In the Venlo region also cars are controlled but mostly with German license plates (if a German drives a car after having taken some soft drugs in NL that is already considered as a crime).
Drugs in clubs of course are forbidden, if you get caught your visit will be over.
Since May 1 as a foreigner you can not buy soft drugs anymore in the Southern part of Holland (Limburg / Noord Brabant / Zeeland).
"Coffee shops will become private clubs open only to residents of the Netherlands aged 18 and over."
Januari 2013 it will apply everywhere in Holland
[QUOTE=Big30; 1278502]Since May 1 as a foreigner you can not buy soft drugs anymore in the Southern part of Holland (Limburg / Noord Brabant / Zeeland).
"Coffee shops will become private clubs open only to residents of the Netherlands aged 18 and over."
Januari 2013 it will apply everywhere in Holland[/QUOTE]About this last point, the restrictions on sale of weed / hash to non-NL residents in Amsterdam from 1st January 2013:
Is there any talk about changing / relaxing this restriction, esp in Amsterdam? I ask because:
A) If the coffeeshops become "no-go" zones for foreign tourists, won't there be a profound (I mean, extreme) negative economic effect right across the board in this "party town?" I refer to massive loss of revenue not only for the coffeeshops themselves, but for restaurants, bars, hotels, etc?
B) There will be a new, presumably more left-wing government in NL soon, so will the new government take a different stance on the "weed for foreignors" isssue? At least as far as Amsterdam goes?
Just curious if there is any discussion on these points.
Thanks,
O
[QUOTE=Ortos; 1278551]About this last point, the restrictions on sale of weed / hash to non-NL residents in Amsterdam from 1st January 2013:
Is there any talk about changing / relaxing this restriction, esp in Amsterdam? I ask because:
A) If the coffeeshops become "no-go" zones for foreign tourists, won't there be a profound (I mean, extreme) negative economic effect right across the board in this "party town?" I refer to massive loss of revenue not only for the coffeeshops themselves, but for restaurants, bars, hotels, etc?
B) There will be a new, presumably more left-wing government in NL soon, so will the new government take a different stance on the "weed for foreignors" isssue? At least as far as Amsterdam goes?
Just curious if there is any discussion on these points.
Thanks,
O[/QUOTE]A) Neither Amsterdam, nor the Netherlands has ever intended liberal drug and prostitution laws to be a 'tourist attraction'. If anything all these 'partiers' are seen as an adverse side effect of dealing with drugs and prostitutions in a 'pragmatic' fashion. I think they will feel Amsterdam has enough other things to offer. Not to mention the freed up resources / lower disturbance from tourists having bad trips (or in general being a nuisance). I'm not saying all tourists are like this, but some are; it's the price you pay for being considered a 'party city' and a reason not to pursue being one. Of course there will be small businesses (coffeshops, maybe hostels) that suffer, but I wouldn't think that will be seen as a reason not to take this measure.
B) You never know, but drug policy is sort of the last thing on politicians minds right now. This 'wietpas' innitiative has been set up some time ago, mostly because of the nuisance the coffeshops (or rather its Belgian, German and French customers) caused in the border areas. Appart from some coffeeshops owners (not the best represented industry) few dutch people will give a hoot.
Of course there will be all kind of set ups of dutch people buying stuff for tourists. Like I said below, I live pretty close to a coffeeshop, hardly ever smoke (it has been years I think) , but probably wouldn't mind buying someone a spliff if he'd ask me.
[QUOTE=Big30; 1278502]They will bother even if you have only a few grams for personal consumption. The fine you must pay in NRW is I thought 200E (can differ between the Bundesländer / States). In the Venlo region also cars are controlled but mostly with German license plates (if a German drives a car after having taken some soft drugs in NL that is already considered as a crime).
Drugs in clubs of course are forbidden, if you get caught your visit will be over.
Since May 1 as a foreigner you can not buy soft drugs anymore in the Southern part of Holland (Limburg / Noord Brabant / Zeeland).
"Coffee shops will become private clubs open only to residents of the Netherlands aged 18 and over."
Januari 2013 it will apply everywhere in Holland[/QUOTE]Thank you all that responded to this lounge chat about soft drugs.
I have read about the changing laws as well but it was unclear to me if the "private clubs' would allow the residents to carry them out of the store or you have to use them on site. If you can carry them out, for obvious reasons, there will be a booming black market aimed at tourists. Regardless, the change seems regressive.
I agree with Free Dude. I have been to AMS many times and I know locals there and none of them smoke and they do not care one bit about these laws, one way or other. Actually, outside the major city centers it is even hard to find "coffeeshops", unless you are in the know. When I first visited Holland a decade ago, I expected to find them everywhere like liquor stores in the US. I was surprised.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1278132]Hi and welcome to the forum! I suggest you read the Berlin thread which provides lots of information. When will you be there? I will be there myself in about 3 weeks. I would strongly recommend the great guide to Berlins bordello and FKK scene by Angus Magee!
[url]www.angusmagee.com[/url][/QUOTE]Hi Sucker17,
Sorry I won't be in berlin till mid June but I will sure read the Angus Magee blog thanks for your info.
Del
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1278481]Never been to the thermas, but some of the numbers and assertions here focus heavily on Hessen. An hour long session in Samya, GT, LR, PHG with anal is 125 euros (100 for half an hour). Then there are the clubs that charge 40 or 30 for each half an hour (Acapulco and Heaven7). In these clubs it is also a lot more common for girls to be booked for 5-6 hours at a time (probably at less than 75 an hour).[/QUOTE]Good point. This is just back-of-the-envelope calculations to demonstrate that if you are the type of monger that asks for extras than the relative bargin of the FKK compared to the Termas starts to diminish. This is because some of these extras such as anal seem to be standard in the Rio Termas. If you purchase the "frills' in Oase or World, the FKK can turn out to be more expensive.
I would love to visit PHG and some of those other clubs and see what they are about. Thanks for the input
Desperately looking for some real experience info on FKK Europa. Wondering how this place fares against likes of Oase, Artemis or World.
Thanks. One free beer for your input.
Hey all,
Have you guys played tricks on the girls. As an example while fucking her doggy style suddenly we say "ops the condom broke honey" while inside her OR after cumming in her pussy and withdrawing it then we say "shit babe the condom broke in your pussy". I wonder what would the girls reaction be?
Maybe we can do this if we get shitty service from them.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1279580]Maybe we can do this if we get shitty service from them.[/QUOTE]I will try to react very polite on this post and other posts of you. This is my reaction "You are a sick moron".
[QUOTE=Big30;1279613]I will try to react very polite on this post and other posts of you. This is my reaction "You are a sick moron".[/QUOTE]Hi I was just playing with ya. I apologize if this offended you.
No I have never done it but yeah on my first visit to fkk I did get ripped but other visit I would say was good. Anyway I have got a few girls that is scared that the condom would come off as I see them checking out the condom. I gues they have clients that keeps on having sex eventhough the condom feel of or broke.
[QUOTE=Calboy69; 1279135]Desperately looking for some real experience info on FKK Europa. Wondering how this place fares against likes of Oase, Artemis or World.
Thanks. One free beer for your input.[/QUOTE]Been there about 7 years ago. Would not repeat. Small club, lousy line-up in quality and quantity. But. Things may have changed. On the other hand you do not see too many reports on German boards.
HB
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1279645]Hi I was just playing with ya. I apologize if this offended you.[/QUOTE]No problem! Case closed!
B30
Dear expereince mongers,
If possible could you guys share how you evaluate whether the girls will provide good service or not? Basically what is the heuristic that you use? What are the signs she will be a shark once you go to the room? It would definetly benefit other members especially newbies in the forum?
For me my heuristic are as follows (*be warned I am quite new and have been ripped off so this is kinda like a meta heuristic) but I just want to share:-
Indication of a shark:-
1) approach you in a duo and promise you the best lesbian show and what they can do but like all good things they charge you everything just that they don't tell you af first (P? S HOWEVER thre is an exception as Montana in oase did this to me at the first time and I basically put her in my black book but the second time I went for a session with her anyways and yeah it was good!)
2) promise me the world like you can do whatever you want in the room. Trust me all the girls have limitations and they won't do everything especially in palace.
3) those who hike then reduce prices. As an example first price 100 euro for 30 minutes to have kisses inccluded but then when you say no she drops it to 70 euro. Clear indication to me that she is going to tone down the service significantly.
4) I don't go for a girl that grabs at my cock immediately. This is rude as I don't grrab their boobs just like that.
Anyway if I made any mistake feel free to correct me and if you think that you should add please do. Many thanks!
Hey guys,
I visited FKK magnum a few weeks ago and had a good time there. I need to write a report soon, is it worth adding a thread for this club or just post in the other fkks thread?
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1279580]Hey all,
Have you guys played tricks on the girls. As an example while fucking her doggy style suddenly we say "ops the condom broke honey" while inside her OR after cumming in her pussy and withdrawing it then we say "shit babe the condom broke in your pussy". I wonder what would the girls reaction be?
Maybe we can do this if we get shitty service from them.[/QUOTE]First of all, I suggest you don't try to do this kind of "tricks". Secondly it did actually happen to me with a girl in a club and it was no trick, won't say with whom and where, but the condom did break and I discovered this while doing her doggy style, you just feel that it happens. So I withdrew and at the same time I came hard, so I busted my nuts on her leg instead. Well, she was cool about it, but did exit the room to do something, flush her pussy or something. I really don't know. She said her fear was not being pregnant but of course having some sort of STD. We both got tested (negative) and when I came back to the same club, she pulled a "trick" on me telling me she was pregnant. So I suggest you keep the tricks for yourself!
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1279914]First of all, I suggest you don't try to do this kind of "tricks". Secondly it did actually happen to me with a girl in a club and it was no trick, won't say with whom and where, but the condom did break and I discovered this while doing her doggy style, you just feel that it happens. So I withdrew and at the same time I came hard, so I busted my nuts on her leg instead. Well, she was cool about it, but did exit the room to do something, flush her pussy or something. I really don't know. She said her fear was not being pregnant but of course having some sort of STD. We both got tested (negative) and when I came back to the same club, she pulled a "trick" on me telling me she was pregnant. So I suggest you keep the tricks for yourself![/QUOTE]Yes, no need to play "tricks". These things can and do happen over the normal course of things. Has happened to me at least twice over the years. Only, I didn't realize it had happened until after I spermed and pulled out. These are the eeerrrr "breaks".
[QUOTE=Wanking; 1279906]Hey guys,
I visited FKK magnum a few weeks ago and had a good time there. I need to write a report soon, is it worth adding a thread for this club or just post in the other fkks thread?[/QUOTE]I would love to read your report as my friend was there recently and he said it was boring, the club is big, but not many girls to fill up the place. And the girls are not that pretty.
[QUOTE=Wanking; 1279906]Hey guys,
I visited FKK magnum a few weeks ago and had a good time there. I need to write a report soon, is it worth adding a thread for this club or just post in the other fkks thread?[/QUOTE][font=tahoma]No offense [b]Wanking[/b] but I think you should add your report to the [b]Other FKK Clubs[/b] thread. No point having a thread with only one report!
If a momentum builds behind this club it will naturally gain its own thread. This happened with [b]FKK Sharks[/b] which was originally reported in the Other FKK Clubs thread.
I look forward to reading your report.
[b]CD[/b][/font]
Found this on YouTube tonight. Videos about driving to FKK-World.
Might be interesting / helpful (?) for visitors from abroad coming to Germany to visit FKK-World for the first time.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLB9074B05C7E0FCA9[/url]
[QUOTE=The Cane;1279941]Yes, no need to play "tricks". These things can and do happen over the normal course of things. Has happened to me at least twice over the years. Only, I didn't realize it had happened until after I spermed and pulled out. These are the eeerrrr "breaks".[/QUOTE]Man I woud be scared the living shit if that were to happen. But didn't you feel like it happen. I mean didn't you feel that the condom broke? But I realize the girls always checks the condom;.p
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1280043]Man I woud be scared the living shit if that were to happen. But didn't you feel like it happen. I mean didn't you feel that the condom broke? But I realize the girls always checks the condom;.p[/QUOTE]Over the last 10 years or so I have had 3 condoms break. Twice I felt it right away and pulled out. Both these times were during fucking and I was no where near cumming at the time. The third time the condom broke right at the end, I guess as I came for I felt nothing and did not know until I withdrew and all I had on my dick was a small ring of rubber.
Condom breakages can happen. For me it is not such a big deal. I means I have to go get tested which Is never a bad thing anyway. For the girl it is way, way more of a trauma, depending on the girl of course. I guess this is why, even in jest, your suggestion of playing this trick on the girls meets with little favor.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1280088]Over the last 10 years or so I have had 3 condoms break. Twice I felt it right away and pulled out. Both these times were during fucking and I was no where near cumming at the time. The third time the condom broke right at the end, I guess as I came for I felt nothing and did not know until I withdrew and all I had on my dick was a small ring of rubber.
AM[/QUOTE]I have been a casual hobbyist since 2007. I have had at least two break that I can remember. Also, once we got so into it that we had sex BB. I think apllying enough lube is key to keeping the condom from rupturing. I told myself that the other mistake (BB) would never happen again. I even turned down BB from a Termas girl that became my GF one weekend.
A potential window has opened for me to visit the playgrounds of frankfurt in early July. My plans for a megatrip are on hold for now and it is more likely I will be doing a 6 day stint in frankfurt instead due to commitments at home. I'm slightly worried about the notion of clubs like oase, palace, mainhatten etc being short on the amount of candy available due to summer holidays and girls returning to their home countries for holidays etc. I know this point has been brought up many times before but I am interested in the latest observations from last summer and say for eg what the present day trend seems to be amongst the comings and goings of girls during July summer time. General thoughts on the matter will be received with much thanks. As some of you know I do not get to fly out to germany very often and so as a mature student any trip is a sizeable "investment" for me. The reason I quote investment is because it is not an investment LOL but rather money well spent on amazing fun. I would really just want the club atmosphere's to have a large enough number of babes present in them rather than turning up and finding the clubs relatively dead.
As a sidenote am I right from checking the oase website that the outside area is now completed? And does anyone know when the rest of the work on the indoor areas is due to be completed.
Thanks again
Being a mature student you should know Summer time means more potential Students and Semi-pros coming onto the scene to make some fast cash for their future investments in further education.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1280427]A potential window has opened for me to visit the playgrounds of frankfurt in early July. My plans for a megatrip are on hold for now and it is more likely I will be doing a 6 day stint in frankfurt instead due to commitments at home. I'm slightly worried about the notion of clubs like oase, palace, mainhatten etc being short on the amount of candy available due to summer holidays and girls returning to their home countries for holidays etc. I know this point has been brought up many times before but I am interested in the latest observations from last summer and say for eg what the present day trend seems to be amongst the comings and goings of girls during July summer time. General thoughts on the matter will be received with much thanks. As some of you know I do not get to fly out to germany very often and so as a mature student any trip is a sizeable "investment" for me.
Thanks again[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mohab;1280427]I know this point has been brought up many times before but.[/QUOTE]....but I thought I would bring it up just one more time, again, perhaps to annoy the one or two posters on here who are not already annoyed with me....
Seriously, just read the thread. What possible changes could there be? It is summer, the numbers are down, you can still have a good time. End of story.
AM
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1280427]and so as a mature student.[/QUOTE]I hope your tutors will allocate some of the future syllabus to the use of commas and paragraphs.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1280043]But didn't you feel like it happen. I mean didn't you feel that the condom broke? But I realize the girls always checks the condom;.p[/QUOTE]If you go to the German bare back clubs the girl checking the condom would not be an issue.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1280679]If you go to the German bare back clubs the girl checking the condom would not be an issue.[/QUOTE]Yeah true, but he would risk some other issues instead.
Been to FRA 3 times since early January. Unfortunately. 2 of my visits seemed to fall during periods when many of the Romanian girls went home for vacations, Christmas and Easter. Are there other times during the year that I should avoid since many girls will be away on vacation?
I am a regular visitor of FKK clubs but still confused about DFK in public area. Normally DFK means session commitment. But some girls might kiss you with the tongue right at the beginning conversation. And they can do it so quickly so you get surprised by that.
I understand this if I already know that girls from the good session before. But what if this is a first contact? What is appropriate reaction after I deeply kissed by the girls but I have no intention to take her to the room?
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1281650]I am a regular visitor of FKK clubs but still confused about DFK in public area. Normally DFK means session commitment. But some girls might kiss you with the tongue right at the beginning conversation. And they can do it so quickly so you get surprised by that.
I understand this if I already know that girls from the good session before. But what if this is a first contact? What is appropriate reaction after I deeply kissed by the girls but I have no intention to take her to the room?[/QUOTE]It's like tennis: It's a different game / situation depending on who is serving, i.e. depending on who is initiating the DFK. In the scenario you describe above: if the girl suddenly sticks her tounge in your mouth and you are unsure, uncertain, unbegeistered about takeing her to the room, or have ambiguous feelings about her in any way, the correct reaction, IMHO, would be to detach the dfk immediatly, pull away enough that you disengage the kiss. Make it clear that you did not start or want the dfk action, just yet. I think you are covered then and not automatically committed to a session. However, if you linger with your tongue in her mouth for more than a second, or if you push deeper into the dfk action, then you have changed the dynamic and are on much more tenuous ground. Again, in my opinion.
O
[quote=jymondor;1281650]but some girls might kiss you with the tongue right at the beginning conversation. and they can do it so quickly so you get surprised by that.[/quote]as long as they speak, they cannot put their tongue in your mouth. if they stick their tongue into your mouth, imho verbal interaction has come to an end.
if some other person sticks a finger, tongue or penis in one of your body holes without the intention to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] you, it seems to me that you have invited them to do so, or at least allow them to do so!
btw, once you are an adult person, you, and nobody else, are responsible for your behaviour!
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1279807]Dear expereince mongers,
If possible could you guys share how you evaluate whether the girls will provide good service or not? Basically what is the heuristic that you use? What are the signs she will be a shark once you go to the room? It would definetly benefit other members especially newbies in the forum?
Anyway if I made any mistake feel free to correct me and if you think that you should add please do. Many thanks![/QUOTE]I find it difficult to judge if a girl is going to provide good service or not. I tend to go with her if she has an enthusiastic and appealing personality. Looks are important, but not the only basis for a trip to the room.
My experience has determined that it's mostly a hit and miss thing.
In Palace, I sat beside an average-looking 20-25 year-old during dinner. We hit it off really well with her good conversation and girl-next-door appeal. She did not try to sell herself or seem pushy. Later in the evening I was sitting at the bar and she approached me from behind, gave me a hug and asked if I wanted to go with her. So I went, based on my experience with her in the dining area. I really anticipated a good time in the room with some passion and kisses. But as soon as we got to the room, she upped the price to 100 for 30 minutes. I told her politely that I was not expecting the up-sale and that this was a misunderstanding. So I simply got up off the bed and left the room.
And then there are times where the girl came on strong, fondled me, pulled on my arm and made me want to keep saying "no". So I went with her and had a very good experience.
[QUOTE=Forcharles; 1281726]I find it difficult to judge if a girl is going to provide good service or not. I tend to go with her if she has an enthusiastic and appealing personality. Looks are important, but not the only basis for a trip to the room.
My experience has determined that it's mostly a hit and miss thing.
In Palace, I sat beside an average-looking 20-25 year-old during dinner. We hit it off really well with her good conversation and girl-next-door appeal. She did not try to sell herself or seem pushy. Later in the evening I was sitting at the bar and she approached me from behind, gave me a hug and asked if I wanted to go with her. So I went, based on my experience with her in the dining area. I really anticipated a good time in the room with some passion and kisses. But as soon as we got to the room, she upped the price to 100 for 30 minutes. I told her politely that I was not expecting the up-sale and that this was a misunderstanding. So I simply got up off the bed and left the room.
And then there are times where the girl came on strong, fondled me, pulled on my arm and made me want to keep saying "no". So I went with her and had a very good experience.[/QUOTE]True, It can sometimes be difficult to judge, at times the girls that look girl next door and friendly can be hustlers, and the Ice maiden hustlers sometimes turn out to be sweet girls and great shags.
[QUOTE=Forcharles; 1281726]I find it difficult to judge if a girl is going to provide good service or not. I tend to go with her if she has an enthusiastic and appealing personality. Looks are important, but not the only basis for a trip to the room.
My experience has determined that it's mostly a hit and miss thing.[/QUOTE]I totally agree Forcharles, strike it lucky and its great but a couple of misses in a row and for me things can only go downhill from there.
Previous advice on here has been to observe the girls at the payment lockers, but I've found a lot of men tend to adopt poker faces at this point and its difficult to tell whether they have had a good time or not.
[QUOTE=Forcharles;1281726]But as soon as we got to the room, she upped the price to 100 for 30 minutes. I told her politely that I was not expecting the up-sale and that this was a misunderstanding. So I simply got up off the bed and left the room.[/QUOTE]Excellent response to the upsell Forcharles, I wished I'd had done that recently. I certainly will do next time.
[QUOTE=Ableyone;1282047]Previous advice on here has been to observe the girls at the payment lockers, but I've found a lot of men tend to adopt poker faces at this point and its difficult to tell whether they have had a good time or not.[/QUOTE]I agree. Sometimes I have no idea observing guys when they pay the girls if they had a good time or not. The few times you see guys that keep kissing and fondling the girls and the girls letting them or giving it back to them are obvious though.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1282164]I agree. Sometimes I have no idea observing guys when they pay the girls if they had a good time or not. The few times you see guys that keep kissing and fondling the girls and the girls letting them or giving it back to them are obvious though.[/QUOTE]If you watch the couple coming out of the room and heading for the cash boxes, you might be able to judge whether it was a good experience or not. I've seen times when the guy was walking fast in front of the girl toward the boxes and quickly paid without conversation. I take it he was not happy. Other times I've seen couples walk to the boxes holding hands or arm in arm, talking pleasantly, smiling and taking long hugs at the exchange. That appears to have been a good time and the girl is probably one I would take to the room.
You can sit near the cash boxes in Oase and watch the payments if you can find a bar stool. Same is true in Palace. In World I sit where I can observe the trek to the showers where the cash boxes are.
If you are sociable and can strike up a conversation with a fellow-monger, you might ask for some suggestions of what he would recommend. Most Germans speak English and have been very willing to talk and practice their English. It also makes the time in the FKK more enjoyable if you make friends there. You might get good ideas that you could miss.
This is no real guarantee that the girl would be a good experience for you. Everybody is different and what might appear to be a great experience for you may not be for another. I've tried going with girls based on the positive reports on this blog and sometimes it was a disaster for me.
[QUOTE=Forcharles;1282436]Other times I've seen couples walk to the boxes holding hands or arm in arm, talking pleasantly, smiling and taking long hugs at the exchange. That appears to have been a good time and the girl is probably one I would take to the room.[/QUOTE]Difficult. Why? Because you don't know the guy and his preferences in the room. Some guys just talk and don't even touch the girls. Others give them a massage only. Or just lick their feet for 30 minutes. Or or or. So I do rather rely on my stomach or guys I know.
HB
This remains a work in progess, but I thought that I would go ahead an post it to see if anyone has any corrections, suggestions, or what have you. I believe the format is self explanatory. I am trying to capture public transport options, hours, dessous days, convenient hotels and names of promising and not so promising girls (sorry about the spacing; the system apparently inserts spaces) :
ARTEMIS.
Dessous=WED.
Daily 11:00-5:00.
From Berlin Hfb S-Bahn to Westkreuz (walk to left)
Last return train 1:05 am.
Motel One Berlin Hauptbahnhof (walk to hotel, s-bahn to club)
Tel. : +49/30/364 10 05-0
POSITIVE.
Amelia.
Anca
Daniella
Elenna.
Erika
Fatima
Jenna.
Luczia
Lynnette-GFE.
Marketa.
Nina.
Paulina-GFE.
Romy (Spain) and a blonde girl.
Sandy romainia.
Shelby
NEGATIVE.
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Barnds.
Dessous=none.
Mon-fri 13:00 to 24:00.
From koln hbf S12 to Blankenberg (Sieg) (Taxi)
Hotel Reuter (taxi to hotel, walk to club)
02248 912410.
POSITIVE.
NEGATIVE.
______________________________________________________________.
Goldentime.
Dessous=daily (sauna club)
Monday to Thursday: 11:00-1:00.
Friday & Saturday: 11:00-2:00.
Sunday & Public Holidays: 13:00-1:00
From dusseldorf hbf train to Kaldenkirchen and then a taxi
Last return train 22:58 then restart at 5:10.
Akzent Hotel Brüggener Klimp Haupts, Brüggen (taxi to hotel, taxi / walk to club)
02163 955-0.
POSITIVE.
NEGATIVE.
______________________________________________________________.
Golden Time Vienna.
Dessous=mon.
Daily 11:00-5:00.
From Vienna Westbahnhof tram 5 to Alserbachstraße, or.
From Vienna Westbahnhof U6 to Währinger Straße-Volksoper (walk)
Hotel Motel One Wien Westbahnhof
Tel. : +43/1/35 935 0
POSITIVE.
Brenda.
Dana.
Irina.
Vesna.
NEGATIVE.
______________________________________________________________.
Living Room.
Dessous=Daily sauna club.
Monday to Thursday 11:00-3:00
Friday, Saturday & befor public holiday 11:00-4:00
Sunday and public holiday 01:00-3:00
From dusseldorf hbf S-bahn to Kaarst IKEA (taxi)
Last return 00:10.
Park Inn by Radisson Düsseldorf Kaarst.
02131 9690.
POSITIVE.
Larissa Romainia GFE.
Sabrina Romainia GFE.
Shyira ˝German GFE.
Susi De, blond hair, tall girl next door type with a nice slim figure.
NEGATIVE.
______________________________________________________________.
Mainhatten.
Dessous=Wed.
Sunday-Thursday 11:00-4:00.
Friday-Saturday 11:00-5:00.
From Frankfurt Hbf tram 11 (or 12) to stop Daimler Street (walk)
100s of Hotels around Frankfurt Hbf (walk to hotel, tram to club)
POSITIVE.
Melanie Moldova GFE.
Hannah Czech Republic GFE.
Tamira / Samira Romania GFE.
Monika Bulgaria GFE.
Simona Romania.
Aida.
JELENA Bulgaria GFE.
DAHLIA / Daria Romania
NEGATIVE.
Jessica Moldovian.
Elena Romanian.
Nikoletta Romainian.
______________________________________________________________.
OASE.
Dessous=Thursday.
Sunday. Tuesday 10:00-4:00.
Wednesday. Saturday 10:00-5:00.
From Frankfurt Hbf S5 to Bad Homburg (more taxis) or Friedrichsdorf (fewer taxis)
Last train 00:15.
Mercure Hotel Bad Homburg Friedrichsdorf (walk to hotel, taxi to club)
06172 7390.
POSITIVE.
Alexandria.
Alexia.
Amanda.
Amira.
Anca
Carmen
Deborah
Diana.
ERICA.
Ivannah.
Jessica.
JUDITH
Judy
Nelly
Sammy.
Sascha
NEGATIVE.
______________________________________________________________.
Palace.
Dessous=WED.
Daily 10:00-4:00.
From Frankfurt Hfb S1, S2, S3, S4, S8, or S9 (tracks 101 and 102) to Hauptwache. Then the U6 or U7 line towards Heerstraße / Hausen to Industriehof. (walk down Konigsberger Strasse 23)
Last return train 11:59 but busses run all night.
Hotel Ibis Frankfurt City West (Walk to hotel, walk to club)
06172 7390.
POSITIVE.
Gitta. Hungary.
Janita, Bulgarian.
Jenny. Germany.
Malena. Germany
SOPHIE
NEGATIVE.
Alexandra / Angelina-egypt.
Eliza-ukrane.
Gina
______________________________________________________________.
Planet Happy Garden.
Dessous=Daily (sauna club)
Mon-Thurs: 11:00-1:00.
Fri-Sat: 11; 00-3:00.
Sun: 13:00-1:00.
Train from Düsseldorf to Kempen (taxi)
Hotel Papillon (walk to hotel, taxi to club)
02152 14150.
POSITIVE.
NEGATIVE.
Carina
Leona ROM.
______________________________________________________________.
Samya.
Dessous=Daily (sauna club)
Mon-Thurs 11:00-1:00.
Fri-Sat 11:00-3:00.
Sundays and Holidays 13:00-1:00.
From koln hbf U-16 to Michaelshoven (walk)
HOTEL FALDERHOF (walk to hotel, walk to club)
02236 96699-0.
POSITIVE.
Korina
Maggie / Magdalena.
Cornelia
NEGATIVE.
Myky
Gina
______________________________________________________________.
Villa Vertigo.
Dessous=Daily (sauna club)
Mon-Thurs: 11:00-1:00.
Fri-Sat: 11; 00-3:00.
Sun: 13:00-1:00.
HOTEL HAFFMANS (taxi to hotel, walk to club)
02158 9166-0.
From Düsseldorf U70, U76 to Krefeld, Rheinstraße (taxi)
POSITIVE.
NEGATIVE.
______________________________________________________________.
WORLD.
Dessous=tue.
Sunday-Thursday 11:00-4:00.
Friday-Saturday 11:00-5:00.
From Frankfurt Hbf train to Giessen then taxi.
Last train 00:08 then restart at 4:14.
City Hotel Giessen (walk to hotel, taxi to club)
0641 93237-0.
POSITIVE.
Jenny.
NEGATIVE
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1279807]If possible could you guys share how you evaluate whether the girls will provide good service or not?[/QUOTE]Many guys lost FKK virginity because I brought them there. Usually I recommend them girls with proven room performance who were tested by myself. But my friends not always get as good service as I received from the same girls.
I also noted that the more I visit FKK the higher percentage of good sessions I have.
In my opinion both cases described above prove that good room service depends not on girls only but on mongers as well. I'll explain what I mean. When you speak to the girl she can understand what level of FKK experience you have. I think that the smart girls will provide better service to the experienced guys than to inexperienced.
Being with more girls you learn how to behave in the room. Some girls are responsive. You good to them, they good to you.
So, experience is the best teacher. I don't think that advices on this forum will really help. Just hints.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1282804]In my opinion both cases described above prove that good room service depends not on girls only but on mongers as well. I'll explain what I mean. When you speak to the girl she can understand what level of FKK experience you have. I think that the smart girls will provide better service to the experienced guys than to inexperienced.
Being with more girls you learn how to behave in the room. Some girls are responsive. You good to them, they good to you.
So, experience is the best teacher. I don't think that advices on this forum will really help. Just hints.[/QUOTE]Totally agreed here, it's is not only FKK experiences, but monger experiences in general and how to interact with girls. In the end is the chemistry and between you and her that counts.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1282924]Totally agreed here, it's is not only FKK experiences, but monger experiences in general and how to interact with girls. In the end is the chemistry and between you and her that counts.[/QUOTE]Yeah you know it is like LOVE;.p.
Apparently cupid works extra hard at FKK's. I wonder does cupid charge extra for CIM and ANAL.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1282804]Many guys lost FKK virginity because I brought them there. Usually I recommend them girls with proven room performance who were tested by myself. But my friends not always get as good service as I received from the same girls.
I also noted that the more I visit FKK the higher percentage of good sessions I have.
In my opinion both cases described above prove that good room service depends not on girls only but on mongers as well. I'll explain what I mean. When you speak to the girl she can understand what level of FKK experience you have. I think that the smart girls will provide better service to the experienced guys than to inexperienced.
Being with more girls you learn how to behave in the room. Some girls are responsive. You good to them, they good to you.
So, experience is the best teacher. I don't think that advices on this forum will really help. Just hints.[/QUOTE]I agree as well. I have a couple of friends I monger out with. One of them consistently gets poor service. He is a a very a gem of a guy and smart too but I guess he does not know how to handle girls. .
There is no easy way to to predict though. If there is, we would not be having this discussion. All of us would be getting great service 100% of the time. All the tips and hints on this forum did help me tremendously over the years and I continue to learn.
Can you get stds easy from eating the hookers pussy? I'd imagine so? ANd what stds? At least not aids but perhaps hepres then you have a lip full of spots for days?
Well I want to eat out hot girls in the FKK but I don't think its a good idea, do you guys? And anything to report back?
Cheers
Remember, don't feed the troll guys.
AM
Hi,
Currently based on the the girl line up and I am talking about optifuck which has better line up in your opinion between palace, oase and world?
P / s is it worth going to world compared to oase? I have never been to world as it seems hard to go there.
Regards,
Hi Guys
I am due to visit Berlin in mid June and I love having a thai massage and sauna. I was wondering if any of you in the forum could tell me of any nice places to visit in Berlin city centre or as near the city as possible. I don't want to visit a thai massage where there is only a so called happy ending with a HJ or a BJ but I am looking for a full personal service, also I would like to know prices for these places such as entrance fees and full personal service fees thanks guys for your info
Del.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1283267]Hi,
Currently based on the the girl line up and I am talking about optifuck which has better line up in your opinion between palace, oase and world?
P / s is it worth going to world compared to oase? I have never been to world as it seems hard to go there.
Regards[/QUOTE]If you've never been to World, then it's worth at least one visit in my opinion. And remember, the quality of the line-ups changes. Is it worth it? Ultimately you need to decide that for yourself. The only way for you to know for sure is to go one time and see and experience on your own. The other thing is that World belongs in the FKK "big leagues". There are many FKKs I have not been to, but I don't care because I only play in the "Premiere League", which includes World and several other clubs that get reported on the most. If you want to be a Premiere League player, then you need to have played at World, among a several other FKKs.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1283267]I have never been to world as it seems hard to go there.[/QUOTE]Some mongers here seem to like and cultivate the "hard life" approach.
May I suggest, that if you rent a car, it becomes a lot easier to travel to FKK-World in Pohlheim-Garbenteich!
And one thing to keep in mind too: many of the girls from Romania and Bulgaria come with the bus! That will take them approx. 48 hours on the bus to reach the club.
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1283749]And one thing to keep in mind too: many of the girls from Romania and Bulgaria come with the bus! That will take them approx. 48 hours on the bus to reach the club.[/QUOTE]Some how it seems fitting that there should be a direct Bucharest World bus link. That is one bus ride that might e kind of fun.
AM
As I continue to prepare for my next ascention into Monger Heaven in less than 2 weeks I continue to scour the boards / threads for information, clues & suggestions to make for a more enjoyable experience. And I thank those that have provided intelligence & replied to my questions.
But I have also observed a trend that is disturbing: an increase in the number of questions & people asking them that cause me to wonder: Are they Serious? Sometimes I wonder if the person could find their way across the street, never mind locate a discreetly set brothel (FKK Club) & a good service provider inside?
The most recent trend, that FKK World is too hard to get to is interesting.
FKK World: The Magical Mystery Tour.
How is it hard to get too? In a recent post on the World thread a newbie to that club laid out clearly the methods and the costs of getting to World. Interestingly, change the town names, the train numbers, and the prices and you can describe a trip to Oase! Or Sharks! Take a train to such-&-such town, then cab it to the club. Fin. Hint: if your worried the cabbie won't understand you, print out the address on a card. I've never been cheated by a German cab, that I know of. lol It's the same dealing with the girls: don't look (act) like a victim! Be confident, ascertive!
Use the DB app on your iPhone or the full web site on a computer (good for planing a return trip) or go into their office in the Frankfurt Hbf & they will help you, even in English.
I successfully visited World 2 years ago based on info from this board & the DB. World is on my agenda again this trip.
Sorry for the rant. And don't get me wrong, everyone is entitled to their questions. Just keep them real.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1283775]As I continue to prepare for my next ascention into Monger Heaven in less than 2 weeks I continue to scour the boards / threads for information, clues & suggestions to make for a more enjoyable experience. And I thank those that have provided intelligence & replied to my questions.
But I have also observed a trend that is disturbing: an increase in the number of questions & people asking them that cause me to wonder: Are they Serious? Sometimes I wonder if the person could find their way across the street, never mind locate a discreetly set brothel (FKK Club) & a good service provider inside?
The most recent trend, that FKK World is too hard to get to is interesting.
Myr.[/QUOTE]Everyone has the right to ask a question and if other mongers want to help then let them. If you don't like what you read just don't read it. Easy simple solution for your source of agitation.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1283780]Everyone has the right to ask a question and if other mongers want to help then let them. If you don't like what you read just don't read it. Easy simple solution for your source of agitation.[/QUOTE]Sorry, I'm not agitated. And my post did acknowledge everyones right to question, etc.
The Ignore List is another good option.
M.
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1283749]many of the girls from Romania and Bulgaria come with the bus! That will take them approx. 48 hours on the bus to reach the club.[/QUOTE]True, most of them come by bus. But most trips from Romania are under 36 hours, usually around 24 hours. Still a long trip, but most of them make travel arrangements with too short notice to get good deals on flights. And on the bus you can take a lot more luggage.
HB
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1283749]Some mongers here seem to like and cultivate the "hard life" approach.
May I suggest, that if you rent a car, it becomes a lot easier to travel to FKK-World in Pohlheim-Garbenteich!
And one thing to keep in mind too: many of the girls from Romania and Bulgaria come with the bus! That will take them approx. 48 hours on the bus to reach the club.[/QUOTE]That is the bus number?
I'll like to take that bus, wondering if the girls would offer a public BJ on the bus.
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1283781]Sorry, I'm not agitated. And my post did acknowledge everyones right to question, etc.
The Ignore List is another good option.
M.[/QUOTE]Nevertheless, your original post had made a very, very valid point, esp about a recent trend. As AM has correctly identified: there are trolls lurking. I think you are bang on, Myrm!
O
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1283253]Remember, don't feed the troll guys.
AM[/QUOTE]Tbh F off mate. I have serious questions. If you don't liek them then F off. Just cause I ask a lot of questions I aint no troll. Don't like it, ignore it. Te; ling other members not to answer me when I'm looking for help go f yourself. When I go on trips and retrun detailed info and post help back such as my prague reports. I won't bother doing the same in future shall I if you are just acting like this. I'm young and don't know much about any this.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1283751]Some how it seems fitting that there should be a direct Bucharest World bus link. That is one bus ride that might e kind of fun.
AM[/QUOTE]It would be fun only if you know Romanian. I travelled in Romania and I was in situations where I was surrounded by hotties (like your bus scenario) and I noticed that girls do not like to engage in conversation in any other language other than Romanian. This is I found to be especially true when they are in a group or with friends.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1283267]Hi,
Currently based on the the girl line up and I am talking about optifuck which has better line up in your opinion between palace, oase and world?
P / s is it worth going to world compared to oase? I have never been to world as it seems hard to go there.
Regards, [/QUOTE]I think it is definitely worth going to at least once and then you can decide for yourself.
It is farther out but so it is expensive and takes longer to get to but not difficult. It is quite easy to get to if you take the train and taxi combo. If you are driving though, I recommend you plan your route on paper map before, as the GPS system for some reason almost always misleads me on my way to world.
[QUOTE]Originally Posted by Massimoweb [View Original Post]
Thanks! It means that I will visit DolceVita. As far as I know from the first three days of the week it is FKK day and the girls are naked.
Now, Sunday also is FKK day, and the girls are litearally naked (till 8 pm).
During th evening and late night, this is a different story.[/QUOTE]I am bringing this over from another thread as I think this discussion belongs here.
I personally prefer lingerie over fully naked. Somehow I think that is sexier. Different strokes for different people.
I do like lingerie days at FKK over sauna clubs. It is easier to look good in a lingerie. The ones that work in FKK have to look good naked so hopefully they have good bodies under the lingerie. In a sauna club, they are in lingerie all the time so there may be a higher chance of finding a surprise there. That is my theory. Does it make sense? :-) (smile)
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1283995]I personally prefer lingerie over fully naked. Somehow I think that is sexier. Different strokes for different people.[/QUOTE]I prefer full nudity. But I agree: girls in lingerie look sexier and more beautiful. No wonder, they know how to hide not the best parts of their bodies under sexy outfits. Maybe this is one the reasons why sometimes we tell that line-up in Aca or VV is the better than in Hesse clubs. Girls in lingerie look better. But anyway I like them nude.
You walk into a club and a fat chick is blocking the rolls, two hours latet she's still eating. And the club just turned away two cute girls. Most of the girls are 'thick', who's doing the hiring? And its a well known club. Did the owner put an x worker in charge and she can't imagine her old friends being out of work?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1284151]You walk into a club and a fat chick is blocking the rolls, two hours latet she's still eating. And the club just turned away two cute girls. Most of the girls are 'thick', who's doing the hiring? And its a well known club. Did the owner put an x worker in charge and she can't imagine her old friends being out of work?[/QUOTE]Which club?
Actually the fat girls also have their fans,
For me I prefer slim girls.
Presumably graduating from hooker school? How many of these ladies will we be seeng in an FKK soon.
[url]http://imgur.com/a/l9bwf[/url]
AM
I prefer full nudity precisely because it's easier to look sexy in lingerie! For me if the girl is nude there's no question if she's attractive or not. I don't have to wonder if the lingerie is hiding some flaw or if it's just an average girl in a great outfit. It does take away some of the magic of getting to see the girl disrobe, which can be quite exciting. But, as happened to me on my last trip to Palace, clothed girls can lead to a big letdown. I got tricked into going with a girl with fake tits that I definitely would have spotted if she was nude. That was dress night though, not lingerie night.
I could see if you're local that lingerie night would be a good change of pace, but I maybe get to Frankfurt a few times a year and I want to make the most of it. If I want surprises and to see a girl strip, I can (and do) go to the RLD. Thankfully I've never had a bad surprise there!
Speaking of these theme nights, does anyone know which are the theme nights at Palace? I'm heading back in August and I'll probably go there as well as Oase and Mainhatten, but while the latter two clubs list the theme nights on their websites. I can't find the list for Palace.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1284703]Presumably graduating from hooker school? How many of these ladies will we be seeng in an FKK soon.
[url]http://imgur.com/a/l9bwf[/url]
AM[/QUOTE]There is a blond with curly hair in black lingerie / gown I would love to session with. This looks alot like ghetto proms in the USA except there are no basketball jerseys and the chicks are way hotter!
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1284703]Presumably graduating from hooker school? How many of these ladies will we be seeng in an FKK soon.
[url]http://imgur.com/a/l9bwf[/url]
AM[/QUOTE]I was In Sofia a couple of years ago, and a lot of the women to dress 'Hooker chic' LOL
Just a poll to know what's the norm for readers of this forum. How many times do you pay (pun intended) visit to a FKK during a year. I see a lot of you guys do manage to visit them during weekdays, which is rarely possible for me due to work. So do you visit the clubs because of worktrips to Germany or just P4P holiday?
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1289739]Just a poll to know what's the norm for readers of this forum. How many times do you pay (pun intended) visit to a FKK during a year. I see a lot of you guys do manage to visit them during weekdays, which is rarely possible for me due to work. So do you visit the clubs because of worktrips to Germany or just P4P holiday?[/QUOTE]Speaking only for myself: p4p holiday. I visit at least one FKK every day I am in Germany. Why do you ask the question? What difference does it make how often other people visit FKKs? Any data gathered would be meaningless anyway, because the numbers would be very different between those who live in Germany, those who visit Germany frequently on business, and those like myself who come only infrequently as sex tourists.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1289747]Why do you ask the question?[/QUOTE]Just by curiosity! I do have certain worktrips that coincide with this hobby, but have been doing some weekend holidays as well at some FKKs. I just wonder as I rarely see the opportunity to visit any clubs on weekdays without taking a day off work, and often have to plan trips long time ahead. And the lounge seems like a good place to get the picture of how some people manage to do many clubs successively during weekdays.
Twice a year on holidays for clubs. Would move into a club getting a room with the girls if management agreed!
With regards to events in frankfurt such as automechanika and similar large events at the berlin messe the advice has always been to avoid these dates due to swarms of visitors at the well known fkk clubs and inflated hotel prices etc. My window of opportunity for another fkk trip may be pushed back to early September so I would like to know what is the atmosphere like in the few days before and after these large messe events? Have the crowds usually disappeared or not appeared yet in that time frame or is there still considerable presence still apparent having an impact on our beloved clubs?
Many thanks
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1290119]With regards to events in frankfurt such as automechanika and similar large events at the berlin messe the advice has always been to avoid these dates due to swarms of visitors at the well known fkk clubs and inflated hotel prices etc. My window of opportunity for another fkk trip may be pushed back to early September so I would like to know what is the atmosphere like in the few days before and after these large messe events? Have the crowds usually disappeared or not appeared yet in that time frame or is there still considerable presence still apparent having an impact on our beloved clubs?
Many thanks[/QUOTE]Hi Mohab, for your information, I'll be attending the Automechanika messe myself, from 11-16 September. Looking forward to it, but not looking forward to the messecrowd in the clubs. The Automechanikamesse would be expecting approximately 150. 000 visitors, so you can just imagine how it would effect the clubs even when a small pourcentage of these actually will go to a FKK. When I was in Berlin, several of the Artemis girls showed interest in going to Frankfurt during the messedays, and some of them had good knowledge both of this and IAA (which was last year during same period). My hotel is in walking distance to Mainhattan, so I'll probably go into the club once or twice, if it's not too crowded. I would expect the clubs to have by the weekend before (I. E September 7-9) to have a great line-up, getting ready for the crowd, then they'll stay until September 16. I have already decided to try out Oase and World during the weekend! The hotel prices are already inflated BTW, but the hotels near FKK World (Giessen) are still reasonably priced!
Interesting to find out that the weekend before the messe may cause the lineup of babes to be of a higher standard in advance of the swarms of messe influx. That would or may just work out great for me as at the moment I am contemplating either a frankfurt or berlin week of fun from 5/9 to 12/9. This would then enable me to testdrive the higher than usual quality of girls available and to then escape back to england before the messe posse really kick in. Are you likely to be in oase the weekend before the messe then? Maybe we could meet up. Also where is occulutus's much anticipated reports for may and June? I'm still waiting LOL! Finally if the messe starts on 11/9 would the frankfurt clubs be largely unaffected before this date or is there still a pre messe crowd clogging things up? Many thanks mo.
Hello,
This is my first post so please bear with me.
I will be in Europe over the new year period and was considering visiting Frankfurt after New Year. Probably 3rd to 5th January. But I wondered if this is a good or bad time of year to visit? Whether many of the FKK girls will be away over Christmas and New year and there will be a poor selection?
Can anyone help?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Mohab;1290289]Are you likely to be in oase the weekend before the messe then?[/QUOTE]No, I won't be able to be there the weekend before, as my tickets are already booked, but I'll certainly be at Oase / World the last weekend, September 14-16.
[QUOTE=Mohab;1290289]Maybe we could meet up. Also where is occulutus's much anticipated reports for may and June? I'm still waiting LOL![/QUOTE]No wonder, Occultus had extended his trip to include Frankfurt as well as Berlin. He's in resting mode, but I am sure his highly anticipated review of the girls and clubs will be hitting the forum soon. Your fans are waiting Occultus!
[QUOTE=Roba333; 1290664]Hello,
This is my first post so please bear with me.
I will be in Europe over the new year period and was considering visiting Frankfurt after New Year. Probably 3rd to 5th January. But I wondered if this is a good or bad time of year to visit? Whether many of the FKK girls will be away over Christmas and New year and there will be a poor selection?
Can anyone help?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Well, it is not a great time to visit the clubs for just the reason you mention. Then again if it is the time you have there are always some girls working, just not quite the selection of stunners there may be at other times. Personally I find this time of year to have the advantage of being quite a bit more relaxed than in the middle of a busy time.
AM
Assuming members had the opportunity to spend one week in Berlin or one week in Frankfurt and also assuming that transport / hotel and living expenses were more or less equal in both cities. I would like to know where members would choose to spend their time and hard earnt money considering; Frankfurt; lower session costs than Artemis, lovely friendly nature of girls at Oase not found as much in Berlin and opportunity to visit more than one club. Berlin; Artemis in my opinion has the greatest hardware of any club immensely relaxing. Berlin is a far more interesting city than Frankfurt hence making it easier to display some degree of illusion of being in Germany for more than grade A ass. A little less expensive day to day than Frankfurt and more blonde haired Germanic / Polish types at Artemis than in Frankfurt. However if my budget stretched to 4 four full days in clubs over one week allowing me to do 10 lots of 1 hour sessions Artemis including slightly more expensive entry costs as compared to Frankfurt clubs would work out at approximately 260 euros more or 215 British pounds. Although this sounds like a lot but if you consider I only get out to Germany at most twice a year it is just about acceptable. Okay so I have summed up all the pros and cons of Frankfurt vs Artemis Berlin as applicable to me and probably for quite a few others too. I have to make a decision between the two cities. My question simply is where would you go given the above? Maybe even a little poll here could be useful not just for me but for incoming members new to the fkk experience. All replies will ultimately help me put this into a clearer perspective and reach a more informed decision.
Many thanks.
[QUOTE=Roba333; 1290664]Hello,
This is my first post so please bear with me.
I will be in Europe over the new year period and was considering visiting Frankfurt after New Year. Probably 3rd to 5th January. But I wondered if this is a good or bad time of year to visit? Whether many of the FKK girls will be away over Christmas and New year and there will be a poor selection?
Can anyone help?
Thanks[/QUOTE]If you have never been to an FKK, when you walk in for your first time you will think that you died and gone to heaven. Go to Oase.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1290893]Well, it is not a great time to visit the clubs for just the reason you mention. Then again if it is the time you have there are always some girls working, just not quite the selection of stunners there may be at other times. Personally I find this time of year to have the advantage of being quite a bit more relaxed than in the middle of a busy time.
AM[/QUOTE]Thanks to you both. I wondered whether Amsterdam would be a better option. I'm keen to party with the hottest women possible due to the limited chance to get to Europe.
[QUOTE=Roba333;1291020]Thanks to you both. I wondered whether Amsterdam would be a better option. I'm keen to party with the hottest women possible due to the limited chance to get to Europe.[/QUOTE]That time of year I think anywhere that you go you will find a lot of girls on vacation. And personally the FKK scene is way better than anything you will find in Amsterdam.
AM
Yes, as a Dutchman I would definitely advise going the FKK route (if you're looking for p6). I was in the Oase and World at the end of December and there line up was pretty much the same as in November. Some girls were going home, but many were staying over the holidays (economic crisis right). In any case, having 70 girls instead of 100 girls, really shouldn't be a problem. It will also be quieter with customers, as there are family obligations and business in Frankfurt isn't the busiest.
[QUOTE=Roba333;1291020]Thanks to you both. I wondered whether Amsterdam would be a better option. I'm keen to party with the hottest women possible due to the limited chance to get to Europe.[/QUOTE]Hey Roba333-
It's a bit hard to tell from your posts, but you give the impression that you may be new to the European mongering scene, altogether. Strictly from a mongering standpoint, if you are trying to compare a Frankfurt area FKK experience with possibly an Amsterdam Red Light experience, there is little comparison beyond the point that you will have sex with a working girl in both places, IMHO. Mongering with the window girls in Amsterdam can be fun, but, is pretty much a quick few minutes with your choice of a girl to get off and get out. If that's what you want to do, and then shift gears, to pursue some of Amsterdam's other somewhat unique offerings, you'll have to decide. And, the parts of Amsterdam that you are likely to want to spend your time in are very compact and walkable. But, that's not really the focus of this forum.
Going to an FKK club has so much more to offer beyond just the actually sex that you will probably be having. It can be your entire activity for the day, with food, drink, relaxation, with non-stop eye candy included. And, January is a nice time to plan your punter agenda inside, where it's warm and cozy, not outside walking the cold streets. If you are interested in the Amsterdam style pursuit, Frankfurt has the many Eros Center girls just a few blocks outside the HBF, which is somewhat comparable, with the exception, that you will spend more time inside climbing a lot of stairs. Believe me, these experiences can be very unpredictable from lady to lady, compared to the expectations that you are likely to have at an FKK!
It's a topic that's been dissected over and over, and if you read back through old posts, you can read a wide range of opinions about going to Area X, as opposed to going to Area Y. But, in the end, you will have to decide, based on your own individual expectations, for your own personal journey.
Horbate
Hello fellow mongers,
It is my first time mongering in Germany.
1. Can you please advise as to which of the following clubs have women completely nude walking around like the Frankfurt FKK clubs and which ones are easy to get to with pubic transportation (just mark easy or difficult, I will find out rest)
Goldentime.
Villa vertigo.
Samya.
Pascha.
Living Room.
Acapulco.
Dolce vita.
2. Which are the best clubs for GFE experience in the area.
3. Which are the best 'one fee, as many women as you can have' clubs (do not want gang bangs) although I read in some forums that these clubs tend to have 20 min cut-off sessions and service not-so-good, but I am sure there are a couple that are very good.
Good job all the fellow mongers with the posts, helped me a lot, promise to report as soon as I am done with the good deed / deeds.
Cheerios
[QUOTE=Roba333;1291020]Thanks to you both. I wondered whether Amsterdam would be a better option. I'm keen to party with the hottest women possible due to the limited chance to get to Europe.[/QUOTE]Amsterdam window girls and a German Fkk is like comparing a McDonalds Big Mac and a decent home made meal.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1291323]Amsterdam window girls and a German Fkk is like comparing a McDonalds Big Mac and a decent home made meal.[/QUOTE]Yep.
Was there 2 days ago, not for mongering. I go there at least a couple of times a year.
The window girl thing is complete crap, imo. And it's getting worse and worse.
Amsterdam is a nice place for sightseeing, playing the tourist or hanging around in coffeeshops and restaurant, not for the window girls.
But I'm sure there's other options there for p4f.
Don't consider it an alternative to Berlin, Frankfurt or NRW.
Ciao.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1291323]Amsterdam window girls and a German Fkk is like comparing a McDonalds Big Mac and a decent home made meal.[/QUOTE]I consider Amsterdam window girls as a part of city's tourist attractions, but not as alternative to FKK. I tried it once back in 2000 or so. Good enough to newer go there again.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1290931]Assuming members had the opportunity to spend one week in Berlin or one week in Frankfurt and also assuming that transport / hotel and living expenses were more or less equal in both cities. I would like to know where members would choose to spend their time and hard earnt money considering; Frankfurt; lower session costs than Artemis, lovely friendly nature of girls at Oase not found as much in Berlin and opportunity to visit more than one club. Berlin; Artemis in my opinion has the greatest hardware of any club immensely relaxing.
Many thanks.[/QUOTE]Ciao Mohab.
If I could only visit FKKs. 4 times over a 6 day period, I would choose Frankfurt. Simply because going 4 times in a row to Artemis (that I consider number 1 Fkk among the ones I visited) might result "boring", but that's personal.
In Frankfurt you could visit a different Fkk every day.
But, Berlin is not only Artemis. There's a lot more, a lot! Flat rates, brothels for any budget, gang bang places, etc. Etc.
Take a look at Angus Blog on the Berlin scene, bunch of info there and read Berlin's thread.
So, if visiting only Fkks is not a rule or if you know that getting "bored" is not an issue, go to Berlin and enjoy both girls and sightseeing. Otherwise go to Frankfurt.
My2cents.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1290931]Assuming members had the opportunity to spend one week in Berlin or one week in Frankfurt and also assuming that transport / hotel and living expenses were more or less equal in both cities. I would like to know where members would choose to spend their time and hard earnt money considering; Frankfurt; lower session costs than Artemis, lovely friendly nature of girls at Oase not found as much in Berlin and opportunity to visit more than one club. Berlin; Artemis in my opinion has the greatest hardware of any club immensely relaxing. Berlin is a far more interesting city than Frankfurt hence making it easier to display some degree of illusion of being in Germany for more than grade A ass. A little less expensive day to day than Frankfurt and more blonde haired Germanic / Polish types at Artemis than in Frankfurt. However if my budget stretched to 4 four full days in clubs over one week allowing me to do 10 lots of 1 hour sessions Artemis including slightly more expensive entry costs as compared to Frankfurt clubs would work out at approximately 260 euros more or 215 British pounds. Although this sounds like a lot but if you consider I only get out to Germany at most twice a year it is just about acceptable. Okay so I have summed up all the pros and cons of Frankfurt vs Artemis Berlin as applicable to me and probably for quite a few others too. I have to make a decision between the two cities. My question simply is where would you go given the above? Maybe even a little poll here could be useful not just for me but for incoming members new to the fkk experience. All replies will ultimately help me put this into a clearer perspective and reach a more informed decision.
Many thanks. [/QUOTE]
Although Artemis girls are more beautiful and some have that nordic look that we like but I inevitably start missing the lovely and friendly natured girls at Oase during my trips to Artemis. IMO, the quality of sex at Oase is only duplicated at Club Globe of Zurich, however, my friend who sometimes accompanies me to these trips to FKKland fails to see the difference. But I explained to myself this unusual difference of opinion on account of his rather hefty form.
[QUOTE=Mexican Lover; 1291314]Hello fellow mongers,
It is my first time mongering in Germany.
1. Can you please advise as to which of the following clubs have women completely nude walking around like the Frankfurt FKK clubs and which ones are easy to get to with pubic transportation (just mark easy or difficult, I will find out rest)
Goldentime.
Villa vertigo.
Samya.
Pascha.
Living Room.
Acapulco.
Dolce vita.
2. Which are the best clubs for GFE experience in the area.
3. Which are the best 'one fee, as many women as you can have' clubs (do not want gang bangs) although I read in some forums that these clubs tend to have 20 min cut-off sessions and service not-so-good, but I am sure there are a couple that are very good.
Good job all the fellow mongers with the posts, helped me a lot, promise to report as soon as I am done with the good deed / deeds.
Cheerios[/QUOTE]Pubic transport: nicer and new concept.
More seriously: I recommeand Bernds as the one for GFE, combined with pub (l) ic action. But it is closed on weeke ends and bank holidays.
[QUOTE=Horbate; 1291304]Hey Roba333-
It's a bit hard to tell from your posts, but you give the impression that you may be new to the European mongering scene, altogether. Strictly from a mongering standpoint, if you are trying to compare a Frankfurt area FKK experience with possibly an Amsterdam Red Light experience, there is little comparison beyond the point that you will have sex with a working girl in both places, IMHO. Mongering with the window girls in Amsterdam can be fun, but, is pretty much a quick few minutes with your choice of a girl to get off and get out. If that's what you want to do, and then shift gears, to pursue some of Amsterdam's other somewhat unique offerings, you'll have to decide. And, the parts of Amsterdam that you are likely to want to spend your time in are very compact and walkable. But, that's not really the focus of this forum.
Going to an FKK club has so much more to offer beyond just the actually sex that you will probably be having. It can be your entire activity for the day, with food, drink, relaxation, with non-stop eye candy included. And, January is a nice time to plan your punter agenda inside, where it's warm and cozy, not outside walking the cold streets. If you are interested in the Amsterdam style pursuit, Frankfurt has the many Eros Center girls just a few blocks outside the HBF, which is somewhat comparable, with the exception, that you will spend more time inside climbing a lot of stairs. Believe me, these experiences can be very unpredictable from lady to lady, compared to the expectations that you are likely to have at an FKK!
It's a topic that's been dissected over and over, and if you read back through old posts, you can read a wide range of opinions about going to Area X, as opposed to going to Area Y. But, in the end, you will have to decide, based on your own individual expectations, for your own personal journey.
Horbate[/QUOTE]Hey thanks for your detailed erply.
I guess I'm looking to fulfill a number of fantasies when I do attend an FKK or other establishment. I just want to ensure I get the best experience, money not such an issue, and that I get the most beautiful girls, I don't want to come all the way to europe for some ropey looking middle aged hookers I could get anywhere!
[QUOTE=Mexican Lover;1291314]. which ones are easy to get to with pubic transportation (just mark easy or difficult, I will find out rest) .[/QUOTE]Goldentime. Rather difficult
Acapulco: difficult.
Villa vertigo: dificult
Samya: excellent. Cologne HBF / Dom with U16 in direction Bad Godesberg / Sürth. 24 minutes (station: Michaelshoven). When 10 minutes walk, easy and convenient.
Living Room: very good. Duesseldorf HBF with so-called "Kaarster Bahn" to Kaarst-IKEA (station, around 25 minutes). When 500 meters walking distance.
Dolce Vita: also very easy. Take the S-Bahn at Duesseldorf HBF
Pascha: it's the Cologne brothel - no need to go
[url]http://www.bahn.de[/url]
I know some stuff has been written about this, but I never went to a FKK, and having the chance of spending time and money on a mongering activity in this summer I must decide what option I should try.
I will have a limited budget, but perhaps 50 days to spare.
In Germany everthing will be more expensive, each normal FKK trip will always cost around 250-300 euros, lodging and food is also more expensive, I think my budget will stand for no more than 3 weeks.
In Thailand (where I already have been) , I think I will be able to stay more than twice the time, but, by the reports I have been reading the FKK experience is a must for every monger, and many of you talk about "heaven on earth", the question is is it worth to "loose" 25-30 days of vacations to have 2-3 weeks really special, or do you think I will get bored after 4-5 visits in a row? In Thailand I don't get bored.
I will also be able to make a stop over for a few hours in Frankfurt in transit to Bangkok which will allow two quick visits to a FKK.
Everything seems to indicate 40-50 days in Thailand will be wiser than 15 days in Frankfurt (or other German zone) , but I recognize girls quality level is sometimes low in Thailand (specially Pattaya) , its common for mongers to classify the girls around a 5 and a 7, and in the FKK reports people keep talking about 8, 9 and 10's all the time.
Thanks in advance.
Montecristo
This is personal preference. I have been to Phukett and I loved it but it was a different experience. I have hobbied a lot in North America and quite a bit in South America and I will say that you will have a tough time beating the value of the FKK. There is a lot of talent and quite a bit of variety. You will see an endless supply of 7 and 8's and a few 9's. I even ran into a 10 last visit. And you can have them all for 50 euro a piece! If you get that special 8-9 you can spend an hour with her and have some extras. At the end of the day, all you need is a place to crash. Pick the cheapest hotel you can find and eat and drink nearly all your meals and shower at the FKK.
From my limited experience, the girls at the FKK are better looking than the girls of Thailand and the girls at the FKK are all girls which is another bonus.
[QUOTE=Montecristo; 1291746]I will also be able to make a stop over for a few hours in Frankfurt in transit to Bangkok which will allow two quick visits to a FKK.
Montecristo[/QUOTE]Why not stop over for a few days in Frankfurt rather than a few hours?
The answer: do both.
Go to a couple of FKKs during your stoppovers.
In Thailand go to Bangkok and pick up a cuttie to go with you around the country. It shouldn't be tough.
Then enjoy threesomes or more during the rest of your trip. You will find what you need asnyou travel around.
Enjoy
[QUOTE=HungryStud101;1291750]. ....and the girls at the FKK are all girls which is another bonus.[/QUOTE]A very good observation. ;)
Personally I don't think one can really compare the two, Thailand vs German FKK. The experience is just too different. An FKK has such a greater variety of women and the encounters are all short time. So variety plays a huge part in the experience.
A longer Thai adventure you will inevitable start to take the girls for longer times, over nights and even longer. So you do get to know and even feel a little attached to some girls. That and the girls themselves tend to be much less sophisticated farm girls and such. So while it is a pleasant experience, after a while I know I started to want girls who were a little more worldly.
As for the looks, if you like the Asian look Thailand is a veritable Disney land. But that is all you get there unless you start trolling the back allies of BKK or Pattaya for Russians, and this I do not recommend.
[QUOTE=Erectus;1291796]Why not stop over for a few days in Frankfurt rather than a few hours?[/QUOTE]My flight has a connection in Frankfurt, a change in the ticket would rise the price in several hundred euros.
I'll be having a layover in Düsseldorf. Will arrive a Friday, last week of September at Düsseldorf airport around 6 PM. I will leave with the next flight Saturday morning at 7:20 AM. I really don't know what to do all the night waiting for my next flight?.) LOL...
Of course just kidding, as this will give me a window of opportunity to visit a club in the NRW area. As I am a complete newbie to clubs in the Düsseldorf area, I would ask you guys:
- What club should I visit, given the timetable, preferably close to the airport? Dolce Vita, Blue Note, LR, PHG?
- Is it possible to come with a suitcase and leave it in a storage room in these clubs or is it difficult, or would I be better off leaving any luggage in one of the airport lockers?
Thanks for any help!
[QUOTE=HungryStud101;1291750]and the girls at the FKK are all girls which is another bonus.[/QUOTE]Haha, are you really sure about that? I have never been to Thailand, but I can assure you that a certain girl I met at FKK Palace was not originally a girl, but a post-op TS from a certain country (won't mention which one. I hate to spoil the surprise!) in Asia.
She did some advances, but my spider senses warned me and I got my assumption confirmed by one of the real girls!
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1292039]Haha, are you really sure about that? I have never been to Thailand, but I can assure you that a certain girl I met at FKK Palace was not originally a girl, but a post-op TS from a certain country (won't mention which one. I hate to spoil the surprise!) in Asia.
She did some advances, but my spider senses warned me and I got my assumption confirmed by one of the real girls![/QUOTE]When in Thialand it is best to practice "don't ask. Don't tell" with post-ops. It is very easy to pick out the ladyboys from the girl-girls. The ladyboys are better looking (LOL). This is only half a joke. By Western standards they (the ladyboys) are typically hotter because they have that model physique and they dres to the 9's.
Anyne who has been to Thialand can help me out here. I can go to the FKK and there is no chance to run into a ladyboy (wait. I can't say that due to Sucker's comments). There is a extrememly low probability that I will run into a ladyboy at a FKK. In Thailand there is a very high probability that I will approach a ladyboy and not even realize it and may even take one home and not even know it.
Me. "Hey what happened to your tits. What the Fuc...!!!!!"
Her. "Oh come on you knew it all along"
Believe me. I know first hand. The FKKs are much much safer
I posted a report on Yin Yang in the German border thread. I really think that club should listed with other NRW clubs in the German thread.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1292037]- Is it possible to come with a suitcase and leave it in a storage room in these clubs or is it difficult, or would I be better off leaving any luggage in one of the airport lockers?
Thanks for any help![/QUOTE]I have not seen any lockers at DUS airport.
From the Dusseldorf flughafen, go downstairs to the S11 train. It will take you to the Dusseldorf Hauptbahnhof after 3 stops. The airport is the end of the line for S11, so there is NO chance of taking this train in the wrong direction. When you get to the Hbf, go downstairs (Main Level) and the lockers are toward the middle of the station.
I would recommend you go to Dolce Vita or LR, fuck your brains out, stay until they close at 5am, head to the HBf, pick up your luggage, and head to the airport. If your flight is at 7am, you might need to leave before 5am, which means a taxi to the Hbf.
[QUOTE=Mrknowitall;1292233]I have not seen any lockers at DUS airport.[/QUOTE]They have a left luggage office.
[url]http://www.dus-int.de/dus_en/service_b/[/url]
[QUOTE=Mrknowitall; 1292233]I have not seen any lockers at DUS airport.
From the Dusseldorf flughafen, go downstairs to the S11 train. It will take you to the Dusseldorf Hauptbahnhof after 3 stops. The airport is the end of the line for S11, so there is NO chance of taking this train in the wrong direction. When you get to the Hbf, go downstairs (Main Level) and the lockers are toward the middle of the station.
I would recommend you go to Dolce Vita or LR, fuck your brains out, stay until they close at 5am, head to the HBf, pick up your luggage, and head to the airport. If your flight is at 7am, you might need to leave before 5am, which means a taxi to the Hbf.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply, I'll probably follow your advice and directions. Very much appreciated! Do you know if the clubs like DV or LR accept to store luggage for guests? I will be travelling light anyway. Thanks again, your handle suits you!
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1292215]I posted a report on Yin Yang in the German border thread. I really think that club should listed with other NRW clubs in the German thread.[/QUOTE]Why? The club sucks, why would you want to read the odd post or two about how bad the club sucked? Lets leave it forgotten in that other section.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1292280]Thanks for the reply, I'll probably follow your advice and directions. Very much appreciated! Do you know if the clubs like DV or LR accept to store luggage for guests? I will be travelling light anyway. Thanks again, your handle suits you![/QUOTE]If all you have is a backpack it should fit in the lockers at DV. A roller bag would be too wide. I have seen some people haul in big suitcases in DR, but that means you have to lug at all there way there. I'd recommend leaving it at the Hbf. And then you will be much less encumbered.
I see that the airport does indeed have a Left-Luggage service, but it is not even in the terminal. It is in ground floor of car park 3. I would feel safer if no-one was handling my luggage, and only I had the locker key from the Hbf.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1292371]Why? The club sucks, why would you want to read the odd post or two about how bad the club sucked? Lets leave it forgotten in that other section.[/QUOTE]Too funny. May be if we had more posts on the German threads (which are more read and written) , Like Jaymondor's warning about Magnum, I would have skipped Yin-Yang. BTW, I agree that the club sucks. I did post a follow up though. I did something very usual there and had the time of my like and that has nothing to do with the club.
Well, this is the topic that always interesting anytime, anywhere. As I read international or local forum, even in my country there's always debates about this. For example if on going price is US$ 30 / fuck / hour in my country, always there's some men who pay more or give tip, which is good for the girls, but become complaint from other mongers that it will be raised the price or if we don't give tips so the service will go down. Locals / regular customer want to stay on the basic price. Even some foreigner (in Bali) ask other to don't ruin the base price by too much pay / tips. Remember that locals and regulars customer will live day by day here and they pay the service more often.
In China / PRC, a tip is not expected. Do we have to change the girls habit? If they (working girls) work outside their country, maybe it's okay, but why we disturb the system in their own country. One country (Singapore) back then even have a campaign / policy "No tip, please". Some still work in many sector untill now, even in some (not all) restaurants, which is not the case in western countries.
After read report of our friend in FKK Artemis, who pays E 290 for session with a girl, it make me wonder is that better thing to do? Yes, I understand that in your country that is much cheaper price for P4P. Maybe the girls will like you more. But you are not in your country anymore, why not behave like locals. Yes, you paid, then go home. Maybe just come to germany once / twice a year, so that expense is not a big problem. Well, I think for that amount of money, I will choose to call an escort, rather than annoying other mongers. If we can stay low (budget) why should we pay more and ruin the price structure?
Sorry if my English can not explain this clearly, but I hope you understand what I mean.
[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1292910]How much do we have to pay or tip? Regular vs non regular[/QUOTE]Ciao Hbengkok, you "have" to pay only the rate that goes to the girl. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nobody can tell you if you can or cannot leave a tip. Period.
Nobody can tell me for sure.
Personally I leave tips everywhere. Restaurants, bars, taxis, fkk is not different. As long as I'm getting a good service, and I'm not in a bad mood.
That's in my dna. That's how I was grown up, although not specifically trained for fkks.
Trying to trigger a regulars vs. Not regulars game is a stupid thing to do, imo.
I would find it ridiculous for someone getting upset about me giving tips or not, but if that's the case, I couldn't care less.
That's where I stand.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1292981]Ciao Hbengkok, you "have" to pay only the rate that goes to the girl. Nothing more, nothing less.
Nobody can tell you if you can or cannot leave a tip. Period.
Nobody can tell me for sure.
Personally I leave tips everywhere. Restaurants, bars, taxis, fkk is not different. As long as I'm getting a good service, and I'm not in a bad mood.
That's in my dna. That's how I was grown up, although not specifically trained for fkks.
Trying to trigger a regulars vs. Not regulars game is a stupid thing to do, imo.
I would find it ridiculous for someone getting upset about me giving tips or not, but if that's the case, I couldn't care less.
That's where I stand.
Kimino[/QUOTE]. But it does not harm to understand the local culture in which you happen to be at a given time. There is a certain degree of arrogance to believe that the way you do things has to be the best everywhere you go, regardless of local customs.
For instance, if you leave a tip in a restaurant in japan, you risk insulting people there. When I forgot some change once, the guy ran after me in the sreet to give it back to me. And as far a Wgs are concerned, the culture in Japan is not to leave them a tip, but offer them gifts, flowers, box of chocolate etc.
To go back to FKK, you are right theat there are no rules, so, sure, tip as much as you wish. I, and I think most punters though would prefer to reward good performance by repeat business, and most girls seem to have understood that.
My 2 cents only.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1292766]Too funny. May be if we had more posts on the German threads (which are more read and written) , Like Jaymondor's warning about Magnum, I would have skipped Yin-Yang. BTW, I agree that the club sucks. I did post a follow up though. I did something very usual there and had the time of my like and that has nothing to do with the club.[/QUOTE]Why didn't you search all of the last dozen posts on Yin Yang then and see my negative review on the club back in September then? Its not like it was hidden amongst all the glowing reviews of the club, it was 9 posts down from the most current comment on the club.
Its just too bad that building wasn't built over the border and had been available to the owners of goldentime 'back when'. I did visit twice several years back when YY had a very good lineup when some girls from phg and gt moved over there for a few weeks.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1293002]. But it does not harm to understand the local culture in which you happen to be at a given time. There is a certain degree of arrogance to believe that the way you do things has to be the best everywhere you go, regardless of local customs.[/QUOTE]Ciao Dreams.
Didn't mean to be arrogant, sorry if it came out that way. I have total respect about local cultures wherever I go. Didn't know about the Japan thing and would have fell in the same trap as you, but once learned the lesson I would have acted in the right way.
But I don't think german culture is against tips, nobody ever gets offended in restaurants, taxis, or such. People appreciate it a lot, like in almost any other place.
Here it's a completely different thing. People don't want that girls get tipped so that prices stay low, it's more like protectionism. If that's the word (I doubt it) in english.
And it's for this reason that I wouldn't accept pressure on this point.
But it's not very important.
I do repeat with the girls I like, although I have less opportunities than a regular and I always treat the girls with total respect, hoping they might get a bit of fun too, or at least have a decent time. When I feel to give a tip I give it. Girls are happy, I am happy.
Someone is not happy about this? Not my problem.
Kimino
I see [B]Hbengkok's[/B] point of view but I agree with Kimino. I did not read the Artemis post but E 280 for one session is stupid. I paid E 350 for 8 hours of company and 4 on hour sessions and that is probably borderline stupid. .
This is a service industry and by definition the service provided is variable. As in any service business, additional compensation is not unreasonable for a good level of service that is provided beyond the norm. If we do not tip them, what incentive would they have to have to go beyond the expected mechanical BJ and sex? So, if you get a GFE experience and good company a tip is well deserved and I agree with [B]Kimino[/B] that no one other than the person that experiences it can judge what that is worth.
Having said that, my favourite at GT (NRW) said that she has a regular that pays her E 200 for one hour and she said,"He thinks he can buy my affection with money and I don't like that". That says a lot.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1293279]Having said that, my favourite at GT (NRW) said that she has a regular that pays her E 200 for one hour and she said,"He thinks he can buy my affection with money and I don't like that". That says a lot.[/QUOTE]That's really break my heart (LOL).
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1293279]I see [B]Hbengkok's[/B] So, if you get a GFE experience and good company a tip is well deserved and I agree with [B]Kimino[/B] that no one other than the person that experiences it can judge what that is worth.[/QUOTE]Well, my tipping policy is here:
1. Standard FKK session, no DIGITS, no DFK or plain DFK, or attempts to restrict penetration . No tips.
2. Good session, passionate DFK, no attempts to restrict penetration, any positions. 10 EURO tip.
3. Session I will remember. All that included in "3" but DIGITS allowed, good personality. 20 EURO tip.
4. It can be more that 20 EURO if session was one hour or longer.
5. My tip does not depends on any extras. This is different business.
Generally speaking I not tip the girls I will not repeat with. If I think I will repeat or I might repeat I will tip her. Girls remember good customers and the customers who tipping. Usually next session with the same girls is better than first one. Surprisingly but some girls recognized me after one single session more than year ago.
So tipping is not only sign of appreciation for good service. This is a sort of investment into next good session.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1292037]I'll be having a layover in Düsseldorf. Will arrive a Friday, last week of September at Düsseldorf airport around 6 PM. I will leave with the next flight Saturday morning at 7:20 AM. I really don't know what to do all the night waiting for my next flight.) LOL.
Of course just kidding, as this will give me a window of opportunity to visit a club in the NRW area. As I am a complete newbie to clubs in the Düsseldorf area, I would ask you guys:
- What club should I visit, given the timetable, preferably close to the airport? Dolce Vita, Blue Note, LR, PHG?
- Is it possible to come with a suitcase and leave it in a storage room in these clubs or is it difficult, or would I be better off leaving any luggage in one of the airport lockers?
Thanks for any help![/QUOTE]LR of course, open until late and doable by public transport. Only about half an hour's train ride from Dusseldorf city.
I'm not American so I don't tip, but If It's 75 and I have no change I will give her 80 and not expect change.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1293381]Well, my tipping policy is here:
1. Standard FKK session, no DIGITS, no DFK or plain DFK, or attempts to restrict penetration. No tips.
2. Good session, passionate DFK, no attempts to restrict penetration, any positions. 10 EURO tip.
3. Session I will remember. All that included in "3" but DIGITS allowed, good personality. 20 EURO tip.
4. It can be more that 20 EURO if session was one hour or longer.
5. My tip does not depends on any extras. This is different business.
Generally speaking I not tip the girls I will not repeat with. If I think I will repeat or I might repeat I will tip her. Girls remember good customers and the customers who tipping. Usually next session with the same girls is better than first one. Surprisingly but some girls recognized me after one single session more than year ago.
So tipping is not only sign of appreciation for good service. This is a sort of investment into next good session.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1293381]Well, my tipping policy is here:
1. Standard FKK session, no DIGITS, no DFK or plain DFK, or attempts to restrict penetration. No tips.
2. Good session, passionate DFK, no attempts to restrict penetration, any positions. 10 EURO tip.
3. Session I will remember. All that included in "3" but DIGITS allowed, good personality. 20 EURO tip.
4. It can be more that 20 EURO if session was one hour or longer.
5. My tip does not depends on any extras. This is different business.
Generally speaking I not tip the girls I will not repeat with. If I think I will repeat or I might repeat I will tip her. Girls remember good customers and the customers who tipping. Usually next session with the same girls is better than first one. Surprisingly but some girls recognized me after one single session more than year ago.
So tipping is not only sign of appreciation for good service. This is a sort of investment into next good session.[/QUOTE]I tip almost the same way. Max 20 E for one hour session. More often I tend to buy them drinks (depending on the place) , and share my stash which they appreciate.
[QUOTE=Jerboa;1293409]I'm not American so I don't tip, but If It's 75 and I have no change I will give her 80 and not expect change.[/QUOTE]Speaking of Nationality, I asked three girls at GT who I have been to the rooms few times with, who is their favourite customers based on Nationality?
One girl said she has no preference. I insisted but she did not pick. She said she does not care where they are from as long as they are clean and don't smell. One girl surprisingly said, Americans because they are not too aggressive and they tip well. The third said Asians because they have small dicks and they come fast. .
Both girls said, they generally do not prefer Turkish men and one of the girl is Turkish.
Just passing on third person comments which I thought were interesting.
Well, I agree with Jymondor typing policy for FKK. More or less what I 've done and I think it's fair tips.
[QUOTE=Vitrea; 1293527]One girl said she has no preference. I insisted but she did not pick. She said she does not care where they are from as long as they are clean and don't smell. One girl surprisingly said, Americans because they are not too aggressive and they tip well. The third said Asians because they have small dicks and they come fast. .
Just passing on third person comments which I thought were interesting.[/QUOTE]What about small dick, come fast and tip well. That's every girls favourite, ha ha.
[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1293630]What about small dick, come fast and tip well. That's every girls favourite, ha ha.[/QUOTE]To be exact this is every WORKING girl favourite. Not girlfriends I assume)
[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1293630]What about small dick, come fast and tip well. That's every girls favourite, ha ha.[/QUOTE]Now you know why they love me! :-)
[QUOTE=Hbengkok;1293630]What about small dick, come fast and tip well. That's every girls favourite, ha ha.[/QUOTE]That's why Thai bargirls love Japanese customers LOL,
[QUOTE=Linga;1293388]LR of course, open until late and doable by public transport. Only about half an hour's train ride from Dusseldorf city.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about DV, but I think LR is closer to the DUS airport and hence I would not have to travel too much. It's open until 4 AM on a Saturday morning, which gives me enough time to enjoy the company of nice girls before getting back to the airport. I should of course RTFF, but is the price structure in LR like other NRW clubs, meaning 30 min=50 euros. 1 hour=75 euros or is it like DV prices? Do anyone know how much a taxi would cost to LR from airport? I could take public transport, but I hate wasting my time.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1295289]Thanks for the advice. I was thinking about DV, but I think LR is closer to the DUS airport and hence I would not have to travel too much. It's open until 4 AM on a Saturday morning, which gives me enough time to enjoy the company of nice girls before getting back to the airport. I should of course RTFF, but is the price structure in LR like other NRW clubs, meaning 30 min=50 euros. 1 hour=75 euros or is it like DV prices? Do anyone know how much a taxi would cost to LR from airport? I could take public transport, but I hate wasting my time.[/QUOTE]There's not much between the two clubs in terms of distance from the airport, I believe DV is slightly closer, but the route to LR is mostly on the autobahn so is probably quicker.
Yes normal NRW price structure at Living Room. Slightly more expensive second half hour at DV.
Now which club?
A few weeks ago I went to Living Room on a Saturday evening (Entry 60 Euro) , and apart from one girl (Alicia / Alexia? Blonde Romanian) I was pretty disappointed both with the line up and the attitude of most of the girls. To me it just didn't seem as busy as I remember for a Saturday night and when I was sitting in the Kino around 23:30, it was full of Romanian girls sitting around chatting amongst themselves. It was at this point I decided to leave earlier than planned and catch the 00:10 train back to Dusseldorf.
The next day I went to DV, it was a bit of a nightmare to get there as they were doing some construction work on the railway and consequently had a replacement bus service which ended up in me getting off at the wrong stop since there were no onboard announcements (the trains should now be running again).
Eventually I had a much better time at DV (Entry 35 Euro) as the girls there appeared to have a much better attitude and were happy to sit and chat for some time before going to the room. I ended up having three nice sessions there compared to my one good session at LR the day before.
I'm also heading back to Dusseldorf shortly and I still have no idea which of the two clubs to visit. Was it just a bad day at LR and it has since improved? Or should I go to DV?
In the end I'll probably hedge my bets and go to DV since it's entry is lower.
[QUOTE=Ableyone; 1295501]I'm also heading back to Dusseldorf shortly and I still have no idea which of the two clubs to visit. Was it just a bad day at LR and it has since improved? Or should I go to DV?
In the end I'll probably hedge my bets and go to DV since it's entry is lower.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the input! In fact I really have no idea what club to choose, since they do have their followers. For me the lineup is not that important. I mean I don't really care if there are 80 or 30 girls in the club, as long as the ones present looks nice! Then again I was thinking about Magnum as well, but I haven't heard so many reviews of that one recently. I do prefer young girls, but not so much the porn look of certain girls I saw in Artemis. I fancy more the girl next door look that I sometimes see dominates the lineup in Oase. So the question remains: to living room or not to living room?
Hot days coming. What clubs have climate control in common areas and rooms?
Hi guys,
From your experience is oase a good place to visit during the summer? Would the room be hot and smelly or anything like that?
Regards,
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1296804]Hi guys,
From your experience is oase a good place to visit during the summer? Would the room be hot and smelly or anything like that?
Regards, [/QUOTE]Oh yes indeed, hot and smelly! Just the way we like it, yes? And don't forget the flies. They will be present in the summer to be sure. Also flies galour in the outside area. Don't you just love fkking in the summer? Give me the cool winds of October any day.
O
[QUOTE=Ortos; 1296864]And don't forget the flies. They will be present in the summer to be sure. Also flies galour in the outside area. Don't you just love fkking in the summer? Give me the cool winds of October any day.
O[/QUOTE]Grab an extra flip flop when your selecting a pair downstairs, use that as a flyswatter. Also great for keeping overly aggressive girls at bay.
Clubs that would otherwise not have free beer, have you noticed any difference in the mood now with them? Golden Time that I visited had free beer (every day) , but the guests were not noticeably affected. I liked the free beer. Pity that GT is so far away. Loves to fuck in the open air or in a beach chair.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1293513]I tip almost the same way. Max 20 E for one hour session. More often I tend to buy them drinks (depending on the place) , and share my stash which they appreciate.[/QUOTE]Usually I would tip almost the same way too. However sometimes I tend to tip when not required and go overboard with things.
Like the dancers at Samya, somehow I always end up paying them. 1 reason is that I love dance shows and 2nd I kinda feel for the girls putting in so much effort for our entertainment that I tend to tip them 5-10E during their act. I usually budget 50 E for tips going into the club, for me having one less session is no big deal than enjoying with lets say 5-6 different girls during my stay. The nice one's usually come and say thanks personally when the finish the dance and even the worst snobs will atleast smile back at you.
Funny is when some girls will just grind at you sitting at the bar and hope for a tip, the nice one's I do tip sometimes but not always. But its fun none the less for 50-60 Euro I have a party time there and get to know a lot more girls which sometimes comes handy in picking the right ones.
For me tipping is just an upfront investment for maybe better service if I choose the same girl to the room, they probably don't watch the clock so much after that and service, communication is that much better. Even if I don't go to the room with her it gives me a enough satisfaction to just have a good time with them and interact. Would'nt we all spend 10E outside the club to impress a girl if we met one, I just treat it at the same level. And not to forget the Ego boost and happiness the girls get which inturn surely gets me some brownie points for my KARMA.
The worst is when I buy the drinks there, the Vodka-Redbull is 5E but they always come back with coins as change and I hate walking around with my pockets jingling so I let the bartender have the change, sometimes when I've tipped 1-2 times I make sure I give her the correct change or order 2 drinks.
However the bright side is that after the first Tip the drinks that follow are always stronger and better.
I also always try to tip the girl cleaning the tables and ashtray's. They are the worst paid girls in the club and running around cleaning up all the mess. Its a joy to see their smile when I hand them over 10E's. I used to do that right before leaving earlier but now I just tip them whenever I get a chance sitting alone and she comes along to clean the table so alteast she smiles at me every time we lock eyes for the rest of the stay. And its nice to get some napkins and table service when you sit down to eat hehe
[QUOTE=Travelforfun;1297145]I also always try to tip the girl cleaning the tables and ashtray's. They are the worst paid girls in the club and running around cleaning up all the mess. Its a joy to see their smile when I hand them over 10E's. I used to do that right before leaving earlier but now I just tip them whenever I get a chance sitting alone and she comes along to clean the table so alteast she smiles at me every time we lock eyes for the rest of the stay. And its nice to get some napkins and table service when you sit down to eat hehe[/QUOTE]Don't know about tipping in general but the fact that you remember to tip the cleaners is really nice. They do work hard and for not much money I imagine.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1297152]Don't know about tipping in general but the fact that you remember to tip the cleaners is really nice. They do work hard and for not much money I imagine.
AM[/QUOTE]A bit of a sidenote, I remember my first FKK visit ever. I took a shower in Artemis and was literally a bit shocked by the cleaning ladies that went inside the mens locker room. But they had this "stone" face on them, ignoring completely that I was stark naked in front of them. I just imagined that they have become so jaded by seeing so much dicks going around! I have never thought of tipping them, but they sure do a great job, especially in Artemis. The only ones I am not impressed by are the barladies in A. They surely have something to learn from the great service in the FKK Palace bar. That's about all there is to learn from Palace.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1297265]A bit of a sidenote, I remember my first FKK visit ever. I took a shower in Artemis and was literally a bit shocked by the cleaning ladies that went inside the mens locker room. But they had this "stone" face on them, ignoring completely that I was stark naked in front of them. I just imagined that they have become so jaded by seeing so much dicks going around! I have never thought of tipping them, but they sure do a great job, especially in Artemis. The only ones I am not impressed by are the barladies in A. They surely have something to learn from the great service in the FKK Palace bar. That's about all there is to learn from Palace.[/QUOTE]One time I asked the cleaning lady in Artemis "is this the right place to put my used towel". She gave me an answer that felt that she wanted to kill me. Actually, almost all the staff at Artemis is very unpleasant. Best service I usually get at the lower bar by the pool and in the dining room (and if I take a massage). The Palace bar actuallt WANT to sell drinks in contrast to Artemis who do not seem to want to sell a shit. Best service is at Golden Time. Free and with a smile =)
I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.
[QUOTE=Benjoe;1297378]I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.[/QUOTE]As long as you didn't start having sex (any kind of sex) with the girl, you could probably do that, but it's a very strange situation.
When girls upsell they usually do that after you started doing stuff. At that point the minimum rate has to be paid.
Some real world examples:
1) You get in the room and the girl (before doing anythin) pulls something like: "Do you want a normal suck and fuck standard service or you wish to have a more relaxed, one hr, beautiful session?" I find this, sneaky but honest. Happended often at Palace, sometimes at Artemis with new girls. You decide what to do.
2) You get in the room, start doing stuff then maybe try to kiss the girl and she goes: "no that's 50 extra". Touch her pussy, same stuff. This I really hate, I can take it if it's not extreme but it does spoil it. If it's bad, more than once I quitted the session, paid the girl the minimum and saved a pop.
3) A combination of the above. This really makes me angry. In that case, even if I booked an hour I pay the minimum (if I didn't use up the time) and leave, usually.
But don't bang your head on this, this is very rare, in my experience. Reading some threads, Palace for example, it sounds like things like this happens all the time, but my experience is different. So it's either I'm going to a different club, or I'm very lucky.
If you are concered about this, simply ask everything before, in the details. Something like:
- You do BBBJ?
- You Kiss?
- Can I lick you?
- etc.
I don't like this too much because It makes me feel like I'm buying a car and although I know I'm doing business with a girl that is doing this all day long, I still feel it's a lack of savoir faire to talk like this to a girl. Call me stupid.
What I normaly do, If I don't know the girl and have a gut feeling of some kind is I say smiling something like: "Hey babe, no upselling or bs right? I'd love to lick you, is that ok?" Or something along the line.
To the extreme, at Artemis once I was took to a room by 2 Polish girls. They really tryed to BS me. Said they wanted to use the condom because I was not clean (absolutely not true) , went off and took a shower again, came back and they were chatting together. Started blowing again and out came the condom again. At that point I told them to fuck off and that I would quit. They started saying I had to pay anyways. We argued a bit around that, and finally made a deal wher I gave 30euro each and we closed it there.
This was probably my worst experience of that kind, never happened something similar.
My2cents.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Benjoe;1297378]I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Well I don't like your chances here. Of course you can try, but once you have arrived at the room chances are that you have at the very minimum kissed a bit, perhaps even had your dick in her mouth. Getting away from that scot free will involve some argument and probably management intervention. With the contact I mention, management will probably side with the girl and ask you to pay something.
And if I might be allowed a mild rant here-locals and guys who make German FKK their destination year after year, experienced club goers, have put in some time, spent the money and have the experience to generally manage these situations with a minimum of fuss and grief. In such a situation, if the girl really starts to grind you, pay the girl the minimum, have your way (or not) and get out of there. Chalk it up to experience and move on. FKK clubs are just that, clubs. The sex can be great but there are pit falls from time to time. One of the reasons that the FKK is such fun is that it can, in a good club, mimic the environment of a civilian disco with the advantage of being able to bang the girls instead of having to dance with them and buy them drinks. Guys who come here treating the girls like 'hos and not doing due diligence before heading to the room just sour the atmosphere.
As Kimino notes, this sort of situation you describe is not that common. But it becomes more and more common the more guys just drag a girl off to the room without properly vetting them. Of course the girls say they want you to just head off to the room, they want the cash. It is up to you though to hold steady and make reasonably sure that the girl and you are a fit. Make good choices in other words and suck it up if you make a mistake.
My 2 cents and mildly rant-ish opinion.
AM
This discussion makes me think back at a situation I had as a newbie in FKK World. I just arrived with my wingman and sat down next to a Romanian (shocker!) girl. She was obviously very keen on showing the premises and she started kissing me while I was trying to eat something. I was a bit intrigued by that, because I was not iniating anything, but then again I'm not playing hard to get either! So I let her show me the rest of the World (!) and I felt a bit obliged to have at least a 50 E session with her. But in retrospect I've wondered if I could have pulled out of the deal?
You know what sucker17? I actually think that you could. In the Palace I have had various girls kissing me (no DFK though). And I think they did because they wanted to. Some of them like to cuddle a little even thoug they won't get a session from you. But to newbies: as soon as the girl gets her lips around your dick the deal is done. Is like, you cannot start to eat on a cookie in Starbucks and leave the half of it and say I don't want to pay. For me personally I don't touch girls asses / pussies / boobs without sessioning with them. I find that a little bit disrespectual But of course I can cuddle a little and if they start / show initiative of kissing me of course I don't mind. But thats just my point of view, I don't say it is impossible to touch a girls breast for free in a Fkk, hehe.
Visited the Palace some days ago, acutally three times. One Monday. 2 hours the Tuesday an all the day last Friday. The place was really packed last Friday. Had to wait for the room, but I liked it as I got more cuddling time with my favorite Romanian. I almos fell in love with a girl called Inna or Ila from Romania. Dark hair, rather skinny, navel piercing, nice ass. Small boobs. But very well shaped. She seemed like a shark when she spoke to me inthe club. Asking for a session. And I started to talk with her. And thougt "what tha hell". So we went to the room, decided for 30 minutes. But after some minutes I changed my mind. I really liked this girl. So decided for a 100euro session. And also had to run to my hotel later the same night, to get another 100 euros for a repeat session. The lineup was really good that Friday night. Ill write a detailet report later. Personally I really like the lingerie days, Wednesday. So sucker17 when are you visiting the Palace again, would have been great with a wingman.
[QUOTE=Norwegian90;1297514]Personally I really like the lingerie days, Wednesday. So sucker17 when are you visiting the Palace again, would have been great with a wingman.[/QUOTE]I "had" my first debut at dessous tag in Artemis during my stay in May (nice rhyme to it) and I really liked it. I can't understand why so many are against the lingerie day, as I just think it adds more spice and fun to it. My next trip, hmmm I just invested in a 55" Sony flatscreen that ate a lot of my budget, nice to watch the Euro final LOL! I was planning on a Frankfurt trip mid-August if the finances will allow it. I will for sure be in Frankfurt for work in September during the Automechanika-messe, but I fear the clubs will be a circus!
I have spent all my Fkk money this year. So I will probably visit Frankfurt again March 2013. And the next summer. I totally agree with you when it comes to the lingerie days. I love to undress women. So ca you recommend Artemis? Do you like that club better than Fkk Oase. I haveunderstood that you're not a fan of the Palace, hehe.
[QUOTE=Norwegian90;1297540]I have spent all my Fkk money this year. So I will probably visit Frankfurt again March 2013. And the next summer. I totally agree with you when it comes to the lingerie days. I love to undress women. So ca you recommend Artemis? Do you like that club better than Fkk Oase. I haveunderstood that you're not a fan of the Palace, hehe.[/QUOTE]How cum you manage to hold your horses for such a long time? March 2013. That's a hell of a long time to wait to get back to paradise! Well Palace is not that bad, I am not a big fan of the club, but I've had lots of fun there earlier, especially on calmer nights. The ideal FKK does not exist because there are negative points to find everywhere. What I really love at Palace is the bar staff, really friendly and serviceminded. I would dare to say the best bar / staff among the FKK? The whole cleanliness of the place is of course a very positive point. Then as a non-smoker, I appreciate that they have a separate smokerlounge, it helps a lot. But Palace fails at the most important point IMO: girls service. I would not be fair to say that all girls upsell, but a large proportion of the girls at Palace nags about upselling, the way Kimino described very well.
But what I didn't write in my last report from Artemis is that I feel the upsell strategy has started there as well, it's like a damn virus! My favourite FKK (from what I've visited) is definitely Oase. Artemis comes very close, and is sometimes even on par when it comes to girls service, but what I don't like so much in A is the fact that many more girls now are siliconized. If you're into silicon bimbos, Artemis is definitely the place to be! But personally I prefer next-door-babe-looks instead, and Oase and World have lots on offer here! Another good point is the ambiance, which I feel is so much better at Oase. I can't wait to get back when the renovation is finished!
I've done it several times, you never know just how determined the girl is with getting that 50 euro's. One time I had the girl sitting on my lap at Oase on one of those couch's by the rooms, waiting for one to open. It took 15 minutes for one to free up, massaging her back (not groping). Things looked good until we get in the room and the first thing out of her mouth is 'I can only do BJ, your too big for me'. At which point I said "ok, forget about it then". She then demanded 50 euro's for having to wait for the room. Told her that wasn't going to happen and kept on walking. You don't know if she's going to follow you and make a scene, just start walking.
Another trick is the girl starts with 69 so she can slip a condom on for the BJ. She knows guys are apt to quit the session if she insists on a CBJ. Had this happen on my last trip, she's already sucking away so its too late to duck out of the room. So did the only other thing possible, fucked her hard for the rest of the session. She kept on saying 'you cum yet? ' which I'd reply "I always cum fast with a BBBJ but since you don't do that, we'll have to finish this way' and I'd keep on pounding away. After a weeks worth of BBBJ's, you don't feel shit with a CBJ.
And don't forget the end of the hour trick of trying to trick you into staying past the half hour. This is where the girl will ask if its ok to smoke afterwards, lights up and tries to start a conversation. The conversation is usually forced, you can tell the questions she's asking are a delay tactic to get you to forget about the time. She wants to show up to the money lockers at the 40 minute mark and tell you its 100 euro's, not 50. Yeah, you have to wait for the girl to get dressed, clean up the mess and all. Anything longer than 3 minutes and you have to wonder if she's trying for the extra 50. Only once did I actually leave the room and head back to the lockers, I wanted to be at the bar waiting so she couldn't say I overstayed in the room. Amazing how fast she got dressed after I said I'll meet you at the bar.
I have visited the Palace 5-6 (Idont remember) times this year, so I've had my share of paradise this year. I cannot afford to visit the club again, as I am travelling to the U. S very soon. So I HAVE to wait, but I have to live with that. I can jerk of to my best moments in the Palace. I still would consider myself as a newbie. Haven't visited other Fkks, but have bee to the Palace 7-8 times. And by reading this forum, I didn't get "sharked", not even on my virgin trip. I have always enjoyed my time. And I really think the service in the bar / restaurant / reception is exepctional. And I always find nice GFE providers. That will provide DFK and some really good sex. Actually better sex that I have had in my real life.
Yeah they are working girls, but still just human beiings. If you show them respect and that you really like spending time with them, not just pound them, you may get lucky. For some visitors thats not important. Some of us like PSE, and I respect that. Sometimes I also look for optifucks. But for ME, usually its very important to find a girl that I really like and hopefully she likes me a little too. And I have been lucky several times. And I still think some of them can enjoy their time with customers. Not that I stand a chance outside the club or something like that. But you can find girls that will give you a real GFE with cuddling DFK and all that you desire, for no extras. I have had 50 euros session, with lots of kissing etc. You can also find girls like mentioned above that try to charge extra for everything. Kissing GFE" etc. I usually never go with such girls. I always clear things up BEFORE entering or touching the girls. So I have never had any problems with paying. My last time in the Palace I actually did something unusual" for me, I went with a girl I thought may be a little sharky and cold in the room. But she turned out to be a very good choice. She was cold in the start, (in the start, outside the club). But we chatted awhile and she loosend up and became "another" girl. She said that she got sad because the time was up, because I was so nice to her. I know that many girls can say that, that they love you etc. I can admit that I actually beleived her. I licked her pussy and she told me how fast / slow she liked it. And she took control of my hand showed me what kind of movements she liked. Could not finger her, but seemed like she got a clitoris orgasm. She got wet and moved her lower parts up and down, and kissed my neck like crazy. No kissing with tongue, I repected that. But she was so sweet in the room, I could have her in my arms. Just like a real girlfriend. I felt that the session was "real". Of course you can find some intense and maybe sharky girls. But I just avoid them. In a nice way of course. The first 90 minutes of my stay I usually get approached by many girls, some more intense than the others. But I cannot say that bothers me. I love to arrive early 13. 00 ish and stay until midnight. The place is really clean and the food is really good. I eat like crazy when I'm there. So, so far I haven't had any needs to try out other Fkk clubs. I am so satisfied with the Palace, but my last trip I considered a trip to Oase. But ended up with my beloved Palace. Maybe Ill go to Oase next year. Who knows.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1297570]Another trick is the girl starts with 69 so she can slip a condom on for the BJ. She knows guys are apt to quit the session if she insists on a CBJ. Had this happen on my last trip, she's already sucking away so its too late to duck out of the room. So did the only other thing possible, fucked her hard for the rest of the session. She kept on saying 'you cum yet? ' which I'd reply "I always cum fast with a BBBJ but since you don't do that, we'll have to finish this way' and I'd keep on pounding away. After a weeks worth of BBBJ's, you don't feel shit with a CBJ.[/QUOTE]Wonderful reply! It has never happened to me, but I had to laugh while trying to imagine the scene. I've only had two girls asking me upfront if I wanted CBJ or uncovered BJ. That's ok I guess, but I thought that the girls are obliged to perform a BBBJ if you want them to?
Norwegian90: You have a point. The way we interact with the girls is much more important than just reviews from other guys. You tell the story of the cold girl that unleashes her true self in the room. It can just as well be the opposite story. I once went with a nice looking girl to the room (not in a FKK) , and we really clicked IMO, but the session was nothing but terrible. I mean I can't blame the girl, she just didn't like to have sex the same way as I did. She hold a grip on my back that was very uncomfortable during certain positions and it actually prevented me from cumming. Initally I wanted to complain to the front desk, but restrained myself. After all, she was probably someone elses favorite, but not at all compatible with me. Then I went with Blair, german girl in Artemis that don't kiss, pure optifick! I didn't expect anything from her, except for a massive upsell session, but she turned out to be great. She only suggested I took her for a repeat,"vielleicht eine Stunde beim nächsten Mal schatz?" The way it should be!
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1295559]Hot days coming. What clubs have climate control in common areas and rooms?[/QUOTE]You could try FKK Artemis I know they have special rooms that can suite you.
Here's their Ad from [url]www.adultsearch.com[/url]
[url]http://germany.adultsearch.com/berlin/fkk-club/fkk-artemis/83[/url]
Hi,
As for me expereince in palace simple the more money I spend the better the service. So if she agress to go with me prepared for her body to get bend in half due to the pounding she is going to get in her pussy. In oase I am usually nice to the girls as ther are not sharky to me (but some do get the heavy treament). Basically if you are a b1tch you get treated like a b1tch and most palace girls are like this. Upselling none stop (for the young and hot providers the old hands are pretty consistent).
I am going to palace in 2 weeks time. Any girls anyone here want to recommend me to pound Isabela, from Alicante and janita is definetly on the list as I saw her in my last visit but ran out of euros but she has been mentioned a lot lately. Hope these lovely do anal. Does anyone have ant palace chicks to recommend. By the way another hot girl I would recommend from oase is marie. This girl is cold but once you take control of her she is very much submissive.
Anyone going to palace on 13 July pm me as I shall be there.
I`m looking to return to Frankfurt in Sept. Oct time frame. Thinking of renting acar to visit some of the outlying I. E. World & Sharks as well as maybe a further region I. E. France to see the Lourve bonus visit. Anyone interested in teaming up for part of the trip?
was in munich for a few days for business and visits. did not even dare to try the scene there. was contacted by a friend from isg who had a rental car. so we went to colosseum in augsburg. german autobahn is amazing. less then an hourat180 km / h restrained speed door to door from a munich downtown hotel to colosseum.
naked girls dressed only in high heels. exactly what i needed. i am a tit man and i can not decide on a girl if i can not see if her tits are nice, hard, smooth and rosy, or if they are droopy due to having kids. finally truth in advertising.
i was positively surprised. i am picky to choose, like them young and tight. certainly there was enough choice even for my selective taste.
this one has the absolutely perfect boobs i crave, too bad the photos are too small.
[url]http://www.fkk-colosseum.de/index.php?m=0101&mid=349&imgid=2347[/url]
knowing german certainly is helpful, but a bunch of girls greatly preferred english. romanian, polish of course would be ideal, but the odd spaniard, italian can be found.
it is good to come to colosseum first. after seeing oase, there is no coming back to colosseum. you go do colosseum if you are in munich, you would not colosseum is amazingly good for being located in the bavarian bible belt. it has pretty girls, good pricing. food was decent and sufficient in spite of some bad reports on some boards.
the girls were quite pretty, but very shy and behaved. girls never approached any man. no groping. just very well behaved talk. groping could only happen in sessions in the whirlpool, for euro 50 for half an hour. typically as a warm-up for a session in the room for another 50 euro, totaling 100 e.
girls were a bit complex. some would only do covered bj, refuse to use any condom other then their own plain vanilla condom. there was a definite tendency of women leaving after 20 minutes and not fulfilling the full half hour. oh and be aware there are 50 euro surcharges for each of the following: groping pussy, groping asshole, coming in mouth, coming on body. this is cumulative, so be careful not to come in the mouth (+50) and dribble a bit on the belly (+50) for a total surcharge or 100.
summary: if you are in the area, go for it. worth a visit if you are careful and know what you are doing.
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frankfurt: the best city overall, by far.
first visit to oase. plugged the address into my trusted deutsche bank navigator app. got a blow by blow description how to get there. metro s bahn and then a bus. at the final bus stop, i had to spend an hour typing away some emails. started raining in the mean time and there was a 20 minute walk. had the glorious idea to call oase and ask for a taxi. 5 euro. would have been 10 euro from the metro station.
65 to get in. 50 per girl. i thought i had died and woke up in heaven. free drinks (at least the non-alcoholic stuff) , pretty good food heaped on plates by the bar man. and massive numbers of girls, sauna, swimming pool. simply amazing. almost no dogs. lots in the 8+ range. plenty with the hard tits and perfect body that i crave. and many of those with pretty faces to boot. thank god for romania being in the european union. greece may go, spain and italy may go. but romania has to stay. poland, hungary, czech republic are a plus, but legal prostitutes from romania with work permits are germany's salvation.
[url]http://www.fkk-oase.de/[/url]
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frankfurt again. 2 days later.
walked out of main station, ran into the red tourist bus. 12 euro for a 50 minute city tour. well, one has to occasionally do other things then fkk running. frankfurt is so full of brothels and fkk, you stumble upon them. i took mental notes of sudfass fkk with amore, but we inadvertently we passed a few more eros centers during the frankfurt city tour.
left my large pack in a locker at the station. 3 euro for 24 hours (pay again if you have to open it). with my small pack i rented a callabike. de (?). very nice but not sure if you can sign up without a european billing address.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/call_a_bike[/url]
[url]http://www.callabike-interaktiv.de/[/url]
frankfurt is amazing. you stumble over working girl houses, fkk, brothels even if you don't search for them. after a stop over at sudfass and amore, i continued bicycling and accidentally ran across fkk beach and fkk palace. did not stay, had the right to return to sudfass.
[url]http://eroscenter-amor.com/[/url]
amore is the most amazing laufhaus i have seen. all girls were 8 and over on my scale. asked 30 to 50 euro. the supermodel right out of met-art asked for 50 and seemed nice. a big titted friendly colombian who liked my portunhol (spanish mixed with portuguese). i skipped because at sudfass i could see them naked and grope them for free. well, after 20 to 25 admission plus 5 minimum consumption. some real dogs. a chubby big titted italian accosted me constantly till i relented and got a blow job. told her clearly i wanted no extras, only half hour, no cim, . great bj and hj, did not feel like fucking the cute whale. gave her 50 and got the surprise: 50 more because we did 50 minutes. i complained i had told her half hour, to no avail. always use your own watch, or be even more clear then i was.
[url]http://www.dassudfass.de/[/url]
the second girl ripped me off in a more classy way. told me about the s / m room, said she was not going to charge extra, let me tie her up, slap her around, was totally submissive and hot. after that she asked if it were not worth 100 euro, and i could not say no. when she asked for another 20 tip i told her she already had 50 tip, but ended up adding 10. a beauty with stellar performance.
correction: other laufhauses seem to have good quality too. the inclusion of romania into the european union opened the flood gates for model type beauties at german brothels. thank god for romania's membership in the eu. the old fat hags i saw 10 years ago are pretty much a thing of the past. unlike brazil, where quality goes downhill (still not bad) , germany's quality is clearly going uphill.
did another hour of bicycling and, randomly, passed 2 fkk's. beach and palace. returned to sudfass (free entry for returners)
now sudfass had 2 great girls, pretty skinny and young. one stunner, from eastern europe. slim, great tits, good face. could not resist. so sudfass is interesting to see, they say it was the very first fkk. it really looks antique, with wall and ceiling paintings like a chapel (except it is all sexual paintings). if you are downtown, give it a try. but if you have little time, it is not comparable to oase.
oase again, second visit.
went again to frankfurt. decided to forego experimentation and go for what i know is excellent. oase again. still afternoon. did not see any girls nor food. asked when the food was going to come. they told me food was in the garden. so were the girls. unfortunately, they tend to wrap in towels when in the garden, so less of eye candy and instant boob inspection. still, plenty were topless.
some people complained about the food. i like it. also check the free drink menu. i discovered hot chocolate and apfel schorle, apple juice with sparkling water.
bad homburg is another s-bahn stop, about 12 euro taxi ride away from oase. the advantage is that bad homburg is full of hotels. paid 49 euro special at hotel "haus daheim" at elisabethenstr. 42, bad homburg. 06172 20098-90 their more normal price is 79, up to 200 during messe see m.
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artemis sucks, too many aging hard core siliconized pros.
after visiting colosseum augsburg (ok) oase (wonderful) and sudfass (decent) in frankfurt, i checked artemis.
maybe it was a bad day, maybe because it was saturday, and afternoon. i talked to another visitor and he said he has seen better girls. or maybe it is my taste. i like fresh, young, natural girls with perfect bodies.
artemis personified everything i don't like about girls.
career prostitutes, a bit past their prime, behaving a bit aggressively, plastic tits. even a few brazilians, but not the youngest.
after hours of searching i found 1-2 that i might be interested, but was too shy to ask if the tits were excellent silicone or amazingly natural. the sauna is good, the food also was edible but did not excite me. the fact that the food was in a separate room where the girls were obliged to cover up with towels also did not help the atmosphere.
it looks like an amazingly big place, that screams "commercial sex". i fell in love with oase. so many good girls i had a hard time to decide.
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hamburg.
first the good news. looked for a cheap hotel. asked at the bahn counter at hauptbahnhof. they recommended a&o hotel at reeperbahn, the red light district.
[url]http://www.aohostels.com/de/[/url]
49 euro with breakfast, if you buy there directly at the hotel, you get it for 39 euro. it is also a&o hostel, so lots of gorgeous jailbait or barely legal chicks strutting at reception or during breakfast. no, they don't look available and i did not commit any crimes. but it is amazing how in europe school classes on excursions can be housed in the middle of a hard core red light district.
planned to check out atmos sauna club. after reading some reports on german whoring boards, i decided to skip. seems not too many girls, older then i prefer, and bbbj only for 10 or 20 euro extra. there is general consensus that frankfurt and artemis in berlin are better. considering that i considered artemis crap, i figured i would rather do bicycling or tourism, or take care of my computer obligations. i was tempted to go to fkk babylon but also called it off.
instead checked out reeperbahn, knowing that they are known for "nepp" (rip-off). in spite of all my saviness i got ripped off, too. in a laufhaus, an eros center, i accepted an offer of 2 girls for only 60 euro. should never have taken a dutch and a german. i had heard all the romanians and eastern europeans in the other houses making great offers, fucking, sucking, changing positions, touching, taking off clothes for 50 or less. so i had not paid attention that these bitches had not clearly offered all these services. so the max they had to offer was a hand job with a condom (i kid you not) and the girls remaining fully dressed! for only 250 euro per girl i could get great service. i ended up paying 40 euro more, in the hope that would help. that was enough for one of the two to take off the top and give a covered bj. the other one gave a covered hj and allowed me the privilege to touch her big boobs over her dress top. avoid hamburg's reeperbahn like the plague!
as usual, there is a city tour bus at the main railroad station. harbor tours by boat also available, very impressive. also callabike. de bikes.
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zürich: swiss perfection. the best working girl house in the world.
i was told by various people, that club globe in z&65533; rich was the best fkk club in the world, probably the very best brothel in the world.
[url]http://www.club-globe.ch/[/url]
[url]http://www.*************.com/forum/showthread.php?38725-club-globe-z[/url]
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[url]http://forum.6profi.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=65[/url]
so, i had to check it out.
prices, in highly valued swiss franks, are double what the frankfurt fkk charge. about 75 euro to get in, about 110 euro per half hour (prices already converted from chf swiss franks at 1. 20 swiss francs to the euro). so they'd better be good.
i came on a saturday early afternoon. lots more girls then guys. first disappointment: a lot of girls in swimsuits. where were the naked girls? club globe does have naked fkk, but only on mondays and thursdays. but there were good news: lots of girls with the best tits went topless. nudity is optional. a few were naked. others showed off their wares upon request. the other good news: it could have been worse: wednesday is corset day, girls are prohibited to go naked or topless and have to wear, well, a corset that hides tits and bellies. on a wednesday, i would have turned around and left, this is not why i come to fkk.
really, the swiss do everything well, be it pocket knives, watches, or fkk. and the swiss do finances well, so the swiss franc is highly valued which drives prices up. and attracts pretty romanians who sleep there overnight and save all the cash to spend in romania where it is worth a fortune.
all girls are slim, but the flabby flat ass model types are absent. all have pretty decent behinds. plenty of girls walked topless allowing tit inspections others would show tits upon request. groping was allowed, within limits. result: lots of very pretty small to medium size excellent tits. i did not see too much because i picked the wrong day, but i saw enough. i could have easily spent over 1000 dollars if i did every interesting girl. i inspected one set of silicone tits that was absolutely amazing and indiscernible from the real stuff, even when squeezing. the girl said she got it done in thailand.
the girls carefully approach you without undue pressure. if you are interested, you can sit a little and get cozy. careful, if you allow kissing (guess of the dfk kind) or blow job, you are expected to buy a session. the good thing is that the bj time seems not to be deducted from your room time. in the room i was always firm: i wanted a basic half hour session and absolutely no extra charges (100 francs additional would be for cim) for example. here there was no tradeoff between the nice friendly good f. ck or the premium looks not so good performance. you can pick premium looks with good friendly attitude, talented bbbj, they know how to fuck. one of the two i did seem to actually enjoy the fuck and have orgasms. she was the one who suggested i should go down on her to make her come. i did not take her up on the offer, but it seems daty would have been rewarded with real orgasms. the other girl was cooler, but did all her duties and all the right moves.
all girls seem to be concerned with customer's wishes. i failed to try hair pulling and ass slapping, i was too much in awe with the girls.
management is very concerned, shows the place, asks if everything is ok. judging from the girl's behavior i suppose management teaches them how be friendly and pleasant to customers.
good sauna area, but i did not see many people using it. actually, there were not many men. a girl told me that at peak times, there are so many men that you hardly find the girls. good thing, i came on an early saturday afternoon.
unlike oase, no nice outside area, a restaurant but no free food. there is a sunbathing area on the roof, not too impressive and reachable through some scary industrial cargo elevator and outside stairs.
easy to get there:
from z&65533; rich hauptbahnhof take s9 (there might be others) direction usten on rails. and go to stop schwertenbach. you can not miss the stop, the screen inside the metro train always shows the next 4 stops.
club globe is 200 meters past the station, on the left side of the rails, one block from the rails.
use the pedestrian underpass to walk out to the left side of the tracks (left looking from where you came from, downtown zurich). walk next (really close, like 3 meters away) to the rails for about 150 meters, over a small bridge that crosses a street underpass of the metro. next little street left, walk around the building.
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summary:
the best wh. ore house in the world, in my opinion is in zurich. twice the cost you would pay in frankfurt. the best deal is frankfurt. oase is wonderful, did not have time to check the others. i hated artemis in berlin, but maybe i picked the wrong day. if you can choose your place, pick frankfurt and / or z&65533; rich.
i love girls' bodies and tits. it is almost impossible for me to pick girls without a tit inspection. a angel faced girl that turns out to have droopy tits is a waste of money for me. in an fkk you can instantly see all the girls' bodies. i catch myself first looking at a girl's tits. only if these look good i look at the face and the rest of the body.
it is sad that brazil is ashamed of their excellent program girls and puts up dress code or even closes termas and other houses during international events. germany has absolutely no qualms to have fkk open during world cups and frankfurt international trade fairs.
god bless romania. lots of girls look like they are right out of.
[url]www.met-art.com[/url]
and have good attitudes. they tend to be more mechanical then brazilians, but they really know their moves. rarely do i get bothered by teeth, they know how do cow girl with exactly the right bucking movement. and a reasonable percentage of the girls seem to enjoy sex and have orgasms.
fkk probably select for the girls with the best bodies and tits. i hardly saw girls 20 and under, most i did were 22 to 25, past the age range i would pick in brazil. i often suspected that the girls were lying and actually younger then they said. but probably, they have their act together and did not get a couple of kids, like most brazilians. in general, the girls at fkk seem to be quite intelligent and educated. good news for you guys: most romanians speak much better english then german. even german and dutch girls speak great english. only turkish german girls sometimes fail to speak english.
hotel reservations:
[url]www.hre.de[/url]
most train stations have tourist offices that get you a hotel reservations. look for information and tourist offices.
vodaphone web sessions:
it is best to get a separate chip for internet. the web session chip is expensive for phone calls, about 25 cents per minute outgoing. get a second chip for your phone needs. vodaphone is supposed to be one of the best german phone companies and has stores all over. you add balance with cards you find at newspaper stores, edeka supermarkets and everywhere. or just give your credit card number on the internet.
blau. de is a discount phone company, belonging to e2 (?). i got them at a hard to find electronics store in munich airport. they have good prices. i mistakenly took 1gb of internet, valid for a month, for 10 euro, not knowing i could have gotten 3 gb for 15 euro. when the balance is spent, it continues at really slow speed. 9 cents or less for outgoing phone calls. after about 32 euro in one month, it turns into an unlimited flat rate phone.
i also used telecom (t-online) paid wi-fi access (pretty good at all airports and can be found all over german cities. boingo wi-fi service was a total waste.
unfortunately, the moment you leave germany, or even get close to the border, you get into roaming and internet either stops working altogether or gets pretty expensive. probably one has to buy a sim card in every country one goes to, to have reliable internet. yes, most hotels have good internet, if you are happy to have internet access only at night time.
It was quite interesting to read about your impression of the different clubs. Just an advice: You should have inserted your TR into the respective threads. It makes it easier to find info about the clubs, and this thread is just about anything else.
I do agree that Oase is heaven on earth, but I can't believe that you have actually been to Artemis? IMO it is on par with Oase, even though a lot of the girls you find there now, is of the siliconized sort.
I've never been to the Globe in Zürich, but let's be honest about it: a club that advertise the double of the Frankfurt prices and which does not even include food in the entry fee. NO THANKS! It's already on my not-to-do-list! Of course, if I happen to be in Zürich for a layover and have nothing else to do, I might be tempted, but that's another story.
Hi there guys,
I am Nantia, I am escort from Cyprus. I also I am swinger and I like sex, so I am also some times paying. I am living in Cyprus and Unfortunately this kind of clubs is illegal here, and I wanted so much to go. I have bad luck in this island.
[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1298556]Artemis sucks, too many aging hard core siliconized pros. Artemis personified everything I don't like about girls. Career prostitutes, a bit past their prime, behaving a bit aggressively, plastic tits.
Summary:
The best wh. Ore house in the world, in my opinion is in Zurich. Twice the cost you would pay in Frankfurt. The best deal is Frankfurt. Oase is wonderful, did not have time to check the others. I hated Artemis in Berlin, but maybe I picked the wrong day.[/QUOTE]Guantanamo Bay next? ;)
Pity you didn't find the passion at Artemis. Having been there approx. 50 times I must say some days are better than others, but what emotions and attitudes we as customers bring in to the club plays a major role. Very interesting report btw; my only experience in Germany besides Artemis is Samya (Cologne). Lots of work to be done. Thank you for this useful report!
ZB
Google Translate gav me this:
Olympiade Rabatt Tag. 50 Eintritt. Wir Üben Schon mal füare den Größen Auftritt am Olympia Couch Tag und zu sterben available Kannst Wettkämpfe bei m Unzen ansehen Television.
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Olympics off day. 50 entry. We practice early times for the appearance at the Olympic size bed days. Can competitions available and die at m oz View Television.
Its from Bernds newssection ([url]http://www.bernds-sauna-club.de/index_schieferhof_news.htm[/url]) but it sounds strange to have reduced entrance AND "couch action tag" the same day. How would you interpret this? I sent an Email but they have not replied yet (wrote in german). Only Palace has replied so far when sending questions.
Edit 1: I guess its just that they show the first day from the olympics on the TV? And to lure customers from the couch at home, they have reduced entry?
Edit 2: I see now that they just changed to a new text: "Olympiade-Rabatt-Tag, 50 Eintritt wir üben schon mal für den großen Auftritt am Olympia-Couch-Tag und du kannst die Wettkämpfe auch bei uns im TV ansehen" with Google Translate gives: "We start practicing for the big show at the Olympic couch tag and you can also use the matches we watch on TV".
But no email reply.
[QUOTE=Kid Icarus; 1298773]Edit 2: I see now that they just changed to a new text: "Olympiade-Rabatt-Tag. 50 Eintritt wir üben schon mal füare den großen Auftritt am Olympia-Couch-Tag und du kannst die Wettkämpfe auch bei uns I'm TV ansehen" with Google Translate gives: "We start practicing for the big show at the Olympic couch tag and you can also use the matches we watch on TV".[/QUOTE]Tag= day.
We start practicing for the big show at the Olympic couch DAY and you can also watch the matches at our place on TV"
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1298576]I've never been to the Globe in Zürich, but let's be honest about it: a club that advertise the double of the Frankfurt prices and which does not even include food in the entry fee. NO THANKS! It's already on my not-to-do-list! Of course, if I happen to be in Zürich for a layover and have nothing else to do, I might be tempted, but that's another story.[/QUOTE]Zurich prices are victim of international monetary misdeeds in the Dollar and Euro region. Their currency is very highly valued, making everything very pricey. In exchange Swiss have to have top quality in order to stay competitive.
I see all these guys who pay 300 dollars at Centaurus in Rio, for one girl. So whoever has little time, lots of cash, and is looking for the best, Globe in Zurich is an option.
But I was thinking, if you get 2 girls at Oase, one probably is as good as one Globe girl. So you might get a ticket to Frankfurt and stay there for 1-2 weeks, take Oase as a safe bet and check out all the other FKK and brothels for curiosity.
Actually I should advertise Rio, but I am hard pressed to decide if I recommend Rio or Frankfurt. At least during summer, Frankfurt is a great place for sex tourists. Germans don't have the official government hangups they have in Brazil, where brothels are illegal and thus have to bribe police with substantial money and have to obey dress codes during international events. But Rio still is worth a visit, especially if you know where to go.
In that case, if you go to Rio, I rent rooms in my apartment.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?3281-Brazil-Specialist-s-Rental-Apartments[/url]
Any such discussion only on the respective thread I linked.
Met several girls who, when asked, claimed to be from Brazil.
When I talked to them in Brazilian Portuguese, they looked dumbfounded and understood nothing.
Trying to live off the fame of Brazilian women.
2 of those were at Artemis. That is where I found 2 real Brazilians, too, but they were over the hill for my taste.
I started going to the gym after a long break. The changing rooms have lockers not unlike those of the wonderful establishments in NRW.
As I was changing, I nearly put on a towel around my waist and walked out into the cardio hall, expecting to see girls in all stages of undress!
I must say that over the last few months, my job took me quite often to the Düsseldorf region, and I became a fan of the fkk's. Talk about a Pavlovian reaction to changing in a locker room.)
[QUOTE=Benjoe;1297378]I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.[/QUOTE]The answers you have received to this one are all valid, but it is probably better to go to a club where upselling, if it occurs at all, tends to be reasonable and not difficult to deflect. Then the problem will hopefully not arise.
Fortunately there are very good clubs in your target area. It would surprise if you had a major problem with this at Oase or World in the Frankfurt area.
Budget mentally for one poor session each visit, costing EUR 50. You will get more than enough spell-binding ones to compensate.
Your question evidences uncertainty, which is understandable from the comments you read on the forums. But fear not. Just go for it. I am sure if you use commonsense and judgment when choosing the girls, you will be fine. In fact you will probably blown away by the whole experience. Most of us are. Good luck.
[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1299086]Met several girls who, when asked, claimed to be from Brazil.
When I talked to them in Brazilian Portuguese, they looked dumbfounded and understood nothing.
Trying to live off the fame of Brazilian women.
2 of those were at Artemis. That is where I found 2 real Brazilians, too, but they were over the hill for my taste.[/QUOTE]I had the same experience at Palace. A girl claimed to be Brazilian. When I started to talk to her in Portuguese, she seemed to understand but replied in Spanish.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo;1299132]I had the same experience at Palace. A girl claimed to be Brazilian. When I started to talk to her in Portuguese, she seemed to understand but replied in Spanish.[/QUOTE]When I was with amelia oase she said her father is italian, mother is Romanian but today she is morroccan hahaha. Another oase girl say I can be a girl from any country you desire. So mongers just play along with the fantasy she can be any country you wish her to be. Even if the can speak portugesse it could be she learn it from sumwhere and at the end of the day be Romanian; p
[QUOTE=Benjoe;1297378]I haven't been to a FKK but would like to go to the ones around Frankfurt before the end of this year. My question is: If you to a room with a woman and she starts to upsell you and you start to get bad vibes about her attitude, can you leave the room without obligation (paying anything)? Thanks.[/QUOTE]Once you are in a room, or even once you allow her to blow you in the public area, you are committed. You pay after the fact, but I would not want to get into an argument and try to refuse payment.
You cut your losses and pay 50 Euro. It is worse if you did not know the rules and incurred extra charges, like in colosseum: finger pussy. 50 Euro, finger ass 50 Euro, come in mouth 50 Euro, some dribble on the tits, another 50 Euro, passed beyond half hour, another 50 Euro. Know thy rules and make it clear to the girl that you don't want to pay more then 50 total.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1295505]I do prefer young girls, but not so much the porn look of certain girls I saw in Artemis. I fancy more the girl next door look that I sometimes see dominates the lineup in Oase. So the question remains: to living room or not to living room?[/QUOTE]That explains why I loved Oase, kept coming back, and fled Artemis without doing a single girl.
Hello!
Thank you Brazilian Specialist for a entertaining report.
[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist;1298556]Planned to check out Atmos Sauna Club. After reading some reports on German whoring boards, I decided to skip. Seems not too many girls, older then I prefer, and BBBJ only for 10 or 20 Euro extra. There is general consensus that Frankfurt and Artemis in Berlin are better. Considering that I considered Artemis crap, I figured I would rather do bicycling or tourism, or take care of my computer obligations.[/QUOTE]I think you should try Atmos if you go to Hamburg again. Yes the big clubs in Frankfurt and Artemis are better. Because they are bigger, nicer, more modern and have more girls attending every day most people (me included) will say that they are better. But Atmos is not in any way a bad place to visit. On all my visits there has been plenty of young german girls to choose from. And yes you have to pay extra for kissing and BBBJ, but compared to some real rip-offs (Reeperbahn!) these extras are cheap and you know about them before your session. 50+20=70E for 30 minutes of sex with a 21 years old blond german girl is still a bargain compared to 80E for a hand job with some grouping of breasts of a fully dressed girl!
[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1298556]The best deal is Frankfurt. If you can choose your place, pick Frankfurt.
God bless Romania.
FKK probably select for the girls with the best bodies and tits. I hardly saw girls 20 and under, most I did were 22 to 25, past the age range I would pick in Brazil.[/QUOTE]I have no idea if you have been to the Dusseldorf / Köln area or not. But if you like good deals (cheap prices) and young romainan girls (18-22) you will love Samya, LivingRoom, Acapulco and a lot of other clubs. Great pricelevels and beautiful girls.
T
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1299135]When I was with amelia oase she said her father is italian, mother is Romanian but today she is morroccan hahaha. Another oase girl say I can be a girl from any country you desire. So mongers just play along with the fantasy she can be any country you wish her to be. Even if the can speak portugesse it could be she learn it from sumwhere and at the end of the day be Romanian; p[/QUOTE]Amripta111-
You just gave me a great idea. I've had sex with ladies from every continent on earth, except Antartica, and I assumed I never would. But, if you could give us the name of the lady at Oase that "can be from any country you desire", maybe I can then claim that I've had some Antartica pussy too. Will anyone be able to top that story, except the first guy to get laid on a space expedition? LOL.
Horbate
[QUOTE=Horbate; 1299350]Amripta111-
You just gave me a great idea. I've had sex with ladies from every continent on earth, except Antartica, and I assumed I never would. But, if you could give us the name of the lady at Oase that "can be from any country you desire", maybe I can then claim that I've had some Antartica pussy too. Will anyone be able to top that story, except the first guy to get laid on a space expedition? LOL.
Horbate[/QUOTE]Hahaha. Honestly I did not session with her as I saw marie dragging her arse in the cinema and I grabbed marie instead of her. But if you want to just approach any girl from oase and tell them " I want sex for 30 minutes with cim fpr 100 euro with kissess. Owh and you must be from antartica. Are you from antartica? I think there are good odds that you can find more than 1 girl that would happily say "I am from antartica. My father is antartican and my mom is Romanian. And my father goes to work on a camel."
Regards,
Guy who loves Romanian jokes
I find it very often that the girls ask me if I have a girlfriend or not. It could be just chit chat etcetera or maybe they really prefer single / not single men. Have you thought about this before?
Just chit chat. Money from married men is always welcome.
HB
Just wondering do any clubs have defibrillators. A girl informed me that a gent had a heart attack which gave her a freight and she did not know what to do. Do working girls have any training in mouth to mouth respiration. Maybe if you hadn't paid for DFK you would be in trouble. Most sports clubs have such equipment and why should us athletics be discriminated against
[QUOTE=Ilink;1299859]Just wondering do any clubs have defibrillators. A girl informed me that a gent had a heart attack which gave her a freight and she did not know what to do. Do working girls have any training in mouth to mouth respiration. Maybe if you hadn't paid for DFK you would be in trouble. Most sports clubs have such equipment and why should us athletics be discriminated against[/QUOTE]I don't think the clubs are equipped with defibrillators, but they sure would save lifes. With the physical condition (or lack of it) of some of the gents presents, it surprises me that there's not a defibrillator in every club. The girls do have training in mouth to mouth, but I guess their tongue only makes the situation worse (sorry couldn't help myself). But seriously speaking, people with severe heart conditions should avoid any visit to an FKK. By my first visit I actually thought I'd already died and gone to heaven. Couldn't think of a better place to pass away!
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1300083]By my first visit I actually thought I'd already died and gone to heaven.[/QUOTE]I don't think that the mongers will go to heaven. I would assume just opposite way. Too many sins. Thanks god I am not religion.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1300132]I don't think that the mongers will go to heaven. I would assume just opposite way. Too many sins. Thanks god I am not religion.[/QUOTE]As long as it ressembles an FKK club, I don't care if it's called heaven or hell.
I thought the following idea could be of real use in the clubs especially the larger clubs. The girls could all wear a little traffic light ribbon in their hair. Green / available yellow / possible go ahead red / currently or shortly to be engaged hence not available. This may also help our friends with cardiac failure approaching so as to take the guess work out of which girl or not to approach! By the way I'm kidding LOL.
Agree with BS on his summary. He not talking BS when it comes to Zurich being the best place to punt for the best and most attractive hookers in town. If you take out the price factor, the choice and quality of service is extremely high in these clubs. There must be at least one hooker per banker in this city! The ratio probably higher in the last 2 years given how many bankers have lost their jobs and the German; Russian and Romanians are coming in their thousands to chase the strong CHF.
Given all my 12 years of punting from Shanghai; Beijing; Macua; China K-Bar; HK; Warsaw; Prague; USA; FKKLand and UK. Zurich
Is porbably the BEST for lineup and quality of service IMHO.
Clubs Aprodisiac and Club Living. Has no entry fee, you can order copious amount of alcoholic drinks and your not obliged to go with any girls (prices are 240 CHF for solid 30 mins at Club Living and 280 at Aprodisia [url]http://www.clubaphrodisia.ch/[/url])
FKK Globe is 95CHF and 150 for 30 mins with many stunners. (but no food)
Bums Alp. Is my all time favourite in Zurich. 90 CHF entry; lineup as good as Globe! ; Good quality Buffet food and unlimited premium brand alcoholic drinks and beers. Great facility and only 15 from the airport. [url]http://www.bumsalp.ch/[/url]
There this triangle trend where the same girls tend to swap from Globe-Aprodisia-BumsAlps.
BS. You should also try Dusseldorf, currently the best lineup in NWR is now Acapulco. Simply the best lineup for natural beauty;
Youth; and silicone free breasts.
[QUOTE=Brazil Specialist; 1298556]Summary:
The best wh. Ore house in the world, in my opinion is in Zurich. Twice the cost you would pay in Frankfurt. The best deal is Frankfurt. Oase is wonderful, did not have time to check the others. I hated Artemis in Berlin, but maybe I picked the wrong day. If you can choose your place, pick Frankfurt and / or Z&65533; rich.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1300083]I don't think the clubs are equipped with defibrillators, but they sure would save lifes. With the physical condition (or lack of it) of some of the gents presents, it surprises me that there's not a defibrillator in every club. The girls do have training in mouth to mouth, but I guess their tongue only makes the situation worse (sorry couldn't help myself). But seriously speaking, people with severe heart conditions should avoid any visit to an FKK. By my first visit I actually thought I'd already died and gone to heaven. Couldn't think of a better place to pass away![/QUOTE]At some FKK have seen signs all over pointing to locations of defibrillators.
Probably was in FKK Globe in Zürich. If not there, then must have been in Oase.
Most likely it was in Zürich. The Swiss are more meticulous at everything.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1300132]I don't think that the mongers will go to heaven. I would assume just opposite way. Too many sins. Thanks god I am not religion.[/QUOTE]It depends on whether or not you think that having sex is a sin! It is not in my book.
Being the representative for the Norse God mythology on this board, I would like to start a new modern version of the Viking beliefs.
The ancient Norse belief was, that if you die in battle, you will go to Valhalla! That is too violent for modern day.
The modern amended version should be: If you die while having sex (or being about to) , you will go to Valhalla FKK!
[QUOTE=Ilink;1299859]Just wondering do any clubs have defibrillators. A girl informed me that a gent had a heart attack which gave her a freight and she did not know what to do. Do working girls have any training in mouth to mouth respiration. Maybe if you hadn't paid for DFK you would be in trouble. Most sports clubs have such equipment and why should us athletics be discriminated against[/QUOTE]Whenever I have been to a FKK or Sauna Club I never looked for any defibrilators.
But now that you made me think about it, I would recommend any club to have at least one. Actually it ought to be mandatory, and the girls should be given basic intructions about what to do in case of a client heart attack.
There comes many not so young clients, and many overweight clients to the FKK clubs. Lots of Diabetes 2 candidates or patients. Quite a few visitors have been taking Viagra or other anti-impotence drugs. And most of these drugs effects the heart also. Viagra (Sildenafil) was originally (and still is) a heart disease drug.
With many stunningly beautiful naked women around, which could raise the pulse significantly the risk of heart attack is multiplied many times compared to normal conditions.
As long as the girls at Oase, World, Sharks etc. Make my heart jump. Who needs a defibrilator?
H
[QUOTE=Mohab;1300144]I thought the following idea could be of real use in the clubs especially the larger clubs. The girls could all wear a little traffic light ribbon in their hair. Green / available yellow / possible go ahead red / currently or shortly to be engaged hence not available.[/QUOTE]As a friend said, they should probably also wear a football shirt with name and number on it. It would make life a lot easyer on this forum. :)
Kimino
Brazil Specialist, you have convinced me that I should visit Globe in Switzerland next. But today, I kept hearing people raving about "Higgs Bussom" being discovered in Switzerland somewhere. Is this a new FKK?
[QUOTE=Simex; 1300187]Agree with BS on his summary. He not talking BS when it comes to Zurich being the best place to punt for the best and most attractive hookers in town. If you take out the price factor, the choice and quality of service is extremely high in these clubs. There must be at least one hooker per banker in this city! The ratio probably higher in the last 2 years given how many bankers have lost their jobs and the German; Russian and Romanians are coming in their thousands to chase the strong CHF.
Given all my 12 years of punting from Shanghai; Beijing; Macua; China K-Bar; HK; Warsaw; Prague; USA; FKKLand and UK. Zurich
Is porbably the BEST for lineup and quality of service IMHO.
Clubs Aprodisiac and Club Living. Has no entry fee, you can order copious amount of alcoholic drinks and your not obliged to go with any girls (prices are 240 CHF for solid 30 mins at Club Living and 280 at Aprodisia.
[url]http://www.clubaphrodisia.ch/[/url]
)
FKK Globe is 95CHF and 150 for 30 mins with many stunners. (but no food)
Bums Alp. Is my all time favourite in Zurich. 90 CHF entry; lineup as good as Globe! ; Good quality Buffet food and unlimited premium brand alcoholic drinks and beers. Great facility and only 15 from the airport.
[url]http://www.bumsalp.ch/[/url]
There this triangle trend where the same girls tend to swap from Globe-Aprodisia-BumsAlps.
BS. You should also try Dusseldorf, currently the best lineup in NWR is now Acapulco. Simply the best lineup for natural beauty;
Youth; and silicone free breasts.[/QUOTE]Simex, nice summary of Zurich. This is better than any post on the Zurich forum. That forum is anemic. May be because those rich bankers don't have time to feed information to us wankers.
[QUOTE=Atooz;1300525]Brazil Specialist, you have convinced me that I should visit Globe in Switzerland next. But today, I kept hearing people raving about "Higgs Bussom" being discovered in Switzerland somewhere. Is this a new FKK?[/QUOTE]No. They found God (God particle). :-)
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1300536]No. They found God (God particle). :-)[/QUOTE]Maybe it is just me, but I would never refer to those fine tits as particle; they're Godly for sure.
I have been to:
Artemis.
Oase.
Palace.
Golden Time.
I have done it at Golden Time in one of the outdoor sofas. It was under the sky but not under the sun due to it was in night time and a little chill (September). At Oase there is a upper sofa that could be fun (without "sky") , but the new garden maybe gives some more options nowdays? The Palace had no outdoor and Artemis is under construction. Wich club do you think is the best for this kind of action? Is there any better club for this then Golden Time? Maybe World (never been there).
The t shirt idea would not work as we want them to be clothless. Anything less would deem the flight to germany pointless! How about ultra violet tagging where each customer is supplied with a scanner like at the supermarket to scan and bleep each girl's personal data as an aid to the selection process? The girls would then have to hide a small readable chip in their hair. This would doubtless aid our colleagues who are about to experience imminent cardiac arrest! LOL
[QUOTE=Kid Icarus; 1300593]I have been to:
Artemis.
Oase.
Palace.
Golden Time.
I have done it at Golden Time in one of the outdoor sofas. It was under the sky but not under the sun due to it was in night time and a little chill (September). At Oase there is a upper sofa that could be fun (without "sky") , but the new garden maybe gives some more options nowdays? The Palace had no outdoor and Artemis is under construction. Wich club do you think is the best for this kind of action? Is there any better club for this then Golden Time? Maybe World (never been there).[/QUOTE]Between the two, I prefer doing it at GT outdoor area over world. The area where I did at GT was surrounded by trees and not wide open. Bit of seclusion adds to the ambiance in my opinion. GT outdoor sofas are also better.
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1300497]As a friend said, they should probably also wear a football shirt with name and number on it. It would make life a lot easyer on this forum. .
Kimino[/QUOTE]Seriously though, I have said this for years and even suggested to several FKK managers: The girls in Sauna clubs should wear name tags and languages they speak (not the country of origin). It really helps break the ice. If they provided something you can write on, heck, even I would wear one on my robe.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1300961]Seriously though, I have said this for years and even suggested to several FKK managers: The girls in Sauna clubs should wear name tags and languages they speak (not the country of origin). It really helps break the ice. If they provided something you can write on, heck, even I would wear one on my robe.[/QUOTE]Talking seriously, that would really make me feel like being at Macdonalds. I would probably loose any interest. Obviously personal.
Ciao.
Kimino
If anyone is going to wear something to identify themselves, why not armbands for the men: Red= Stop, don't approach-I'm here for the food & furnishings; Yellow= Hold on now, I've just sessioned & am resting / waiting for someone, (but Ok, give it your best shot) ; Green= Bring it on, I'm Ready to play!
LOL.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1301030]If anyone is going to wear something to identify themselves, why not armbands for the men: Red= Stop, don't approach-I'm here for the food & furnishings; Yellow= Hold on now, I've just sessioned & am resting / waiting for someone, (but Ok, give it your best shot) ; Green= Bring it on, I'm Ready to play!
LOL.
Myr.[/QUOTE]LOL.
And maybe Fuxia= I'm gay, don't even bother.
For when you really had enough.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1301036]LOL.
And maybe Fuxia= I'm gay, don't even bother.
For when you really had enough.
Kimino[/QUOTE]That won't work, they will still try. The only 100% sure thing is "I don't have any money left"
[QUOTE=Kid Icarus; 1300593]I have been to:
Artemis.
Oase.
Palace.
Golden Time.
I have done it at Golden Time in one of the outdoor sofas. It was under the sky but not under the sun due to it was in night time and a little chill (September). At Oase there is a upper sofa that could be fun (without "sky") , but the new garden maybe gives some more options nowdays? The Palace had no outdoor and Artemis is under construction. Wich club do you think is the best for this kind of action? Is there any better club for this then Golden Time? Maybe World (never been there).[/QUOTE]FKK Oase is the best for sex under bright daylight. There are 4 sofas to form a square next to those tents in the new garden. Further south, there are 5 new beds along the dirt wall. There are also two sofas with shades but you can adjust the sofas to face the sunlight.
Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the difference between this and the General Info thread?
As if we didn't have enough threads already...
Hope I've got the right place to post this as never used forum before. I will be in the Cologne area on Sunday pm and wanted to try my first experience of a FKK club. I've been to parlours before but these sound much better. I like the idea of lots of girls, public shows, friendly atmosphere and good service. I'll be mobile but don't want to go too far from central Cologne, maybe 45 mins / an hour tops. Can you suggest some places where I'm more likely to have a good time? I've read a few reviews and seems to depend on who's there on the day, but would be grateful if you could suggest a few which are usually better?
Thanks
[QUOTE=Gergiev; 1301258]Maybe I'm missing something, but what's the difference between this and the General Info thread?
As if we didn't have enough threads already.[/QUOTE]I think it's purpose is to give the opportunity to chat a bit without worrying too much about going off topic and with less stricter rules in general. At least this is my interpretation.
Kimino
[QUOTE=OneNightInKoln; 1301261]Hope I've got the right place to post this as never used forum before. I will be in the Cologne area on Sunday pm and wanted to try my first experience of a FKK club. I've been to parlours before but these sound much better. I like the idea of lots of girls, public shows, friendly atmosphere and good service. I'll be mobile but don't want to go too far from central Cologne, maybe 45 mins / an hour tops. Can you suggest some places where I'm more likely to have a good time? I've read a few reviews and seems to depend on who's there on the day, but would be grateful if you could suggest a few which are usually better?
Thanks[/QUOTE]Hope I have and someone can offer a few suggestions as departing tomorrow.
[QUOTE=OneNightInKoln;1301441]Hope I have and someone can offer a few suggestions as departing tomorrow.[/QUOTE]Go to Samya. There is a Samya thread with tons of info. Search the forum for directions. It can be easily reached by public transportation. Travel time from Cologne central train station should be around 30 minutes or less by train.
[QUOTE=Kid Icarus; 1300593]I have been to:
Artemis.
Oase.
Palace.
Golden Time.
I have done it at Golden Time in one of the outdoor sofas. It was under the sky but not under the sun due to it was in night time and a little chill (September). At Oase there is a upper sofa that could be fun (without "sky") , but the new garden maybe gives some more options nowdays? The Palace had no outdoor and Artemis is under construction. Wich club do you think is the best for this kind of action? Is there any better club for this then Golden Time? Maybe World (never been there).[/QUOTE]I have been to Artemis, Oase, World, Palace, Happy Garden, Goldentime, Villa Vertigo, Samya, Acapulco & Livingroom.
The biggest garden of any of those clubs are with out a doubt FKK World. The garden of World is so big, that you can find parts of it, where you could have outdoor sex without other people watching (except from very long away). If the point instead is that you want others to watch, you can have sex closer to the main building. I have seen others do that before. But it is not seen as often as in Goldentime, where there is basically a part of the garden, where there is constantly someone having sex (if the weather is warm enough).
My favourite Club on a warm summerday would be either World or Goldentime.
[quote=onenightinkoln; 1301261]hope i've got the right place to post this as never used forum before. i will be in the cologne area on sunday pm and wanted to try my first experience of a fkk club. i've been to parlours before but these sound much better. i like the idea of lots of girls, public shows, friendly atmosphere and good service. i'll be mobile but don't want to go too far from central cologne, maybe 45 mins / an hour tops. can you suggest some places where i'm more likely to have a good time? i've read a few reviews and seems to depend on who's there on the day, but would be grateful if you could suggest a few which are usually better?
thanks[/quote]fkk samya are situated in the southern suburbs of cologne. 9 km from the center. that should do the trick. just write "fkk samya" in googlemaps to see the location.
if you have a car you could also drive to livingroom or goldentime. goldentime is the furthest away, but still only one hour (85 km) from cologne. with a fast car it might be only 45 minutes since it is light traffic on a sunday, and some of those autobahn parts are without speed limits.
just be aware that if you look turkish / middle eastern or black then goldentime is probably a bad idea, since they might not let you in.
[QUOTE=OneNightInKoln;1301441]Hope I have and someone can offer a few suggestions as departing tomorrow.[/QUOTE]As others have said Samya is the easiest club to reach in Koeln.
I was going to say be aware that they open at 15:00 on a Sunday, however checking their website apparently from 1st may this year they are now open from 13:00 like most other clubs in NRW. (I didn't know that!)
I'm not sure what you mean by public shows but Living Room has a kino where sometimes there is some public action at the back, I have had a few fun sessions there myself, but it is a little too dark for my liking.
The last couple of trips I have gone to Dolce Vita in Dusseldorf on a Sunday and have not been disappointed, the added advantage of this club is that on a Sunday before 20:00 the girls are naked.
Which ever club you choose have a good time.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1300960]Between the two, I prefer doing it at GT outdoor area over world. The area where I did at GT was surrounded by trees and not wide open. Bit of seclusion adds to the ambiance in my opinion. GT outdoor sofas are also better.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard;1301493]But it is not seen as often as in Goldentime, where there is basically a part of the garden, where there is constantly someone having sex (if the weather is warm enough).[/QUOTE]It will be GT then. I have now booked a flight for middle of August. Only been there once and a long time ago, it will be fun to enyo this fantastic place again =)
Still 25E for an additional halv hour? 50 or 25 for CIM?
I am planning 6 nites in frankfurt in September with 4 full fkk days. I've got oase lined up for wed / fri / sat and that is 100 percent set. The problem I am finding being limited to frankfurt area is how to add a bit of variation for the last day. Mainhatten, over commercialised palace etc just don't seem to offer the same "comforts" as oase whilst at the same time it would be nice to add some variation by mixing in another frankfurt club. What do members think; should I do the final day which would be a mon / tue at oase making it 4 days there or do members have any ideas as to where I could do the final day hence adding a bit more of a mix to the trip. Many thanks
[QUOTE=Mohab;1301906]do members have any ideas as to where I could do the final day hence adding a bit more of a mix to the trip. Many thanks[/QUOTE]Is it variety or a good time you seek?
As an infrequent visitor (5x in 4 yrs) I'd like to comment.
My last visit ran from a Monday through to the Wednesday of the following week. So I had a chance to observe Oase, Palace & Mainhatten on two Monday-Tuesday periods. In both cases these were the slowest days for the clubs. (Slow=fewest mongers, smaller, in some cases testy line-ups)
So you may pick a 'new' club for variety, only to see it on a 'slow' day, or maybe not.
I would suggest variety earlier, (World?), & return to your favourite, (club or girl (s) in that club) for your farewell.
Just a thought: reward yourself, the girl & the club with one more visit.
Myr.
[QUOTE=Mohab;1301906]I am planning 6 nites in frankfurt in September with 4 full fkk days. I've got oase lined up for wed / fri / sat and that is 100 percent set. The problem I am finding being limited to frankfurt area is how to add a bit of variation for the last day. Mainhatten, over commercialised palace etc just don't seem to offer the same "comforts" as oase whilst at the same time it would be nice to add some variation by mixing in another frankfurt club. What do members think; should I do the final day which would be a mon / tue at oase making it 4 days there or do members have any ideas as to where I could do the final day hence adding a bit more of a mix to the trip. Many thanks[/QUOTE]I would say: try Sharks or World. Especially if the wheather is good. If you like the new Oase set up (with a big useless field of grass) , you'll love World. If you 'miss' the thought out functional set up, you'll be impressed by Sharks. In general Sharks is a nice looking club, with a far better bbq than the Oase and World. Only thing is that it can get very hot, so if the temperature is 30+, you might be better of in World where they can open the big doors. I'm not too sure about the size of the World line up on weekdays, but Sharks was of good quality (last Thursday). Probably half as many girls as Oase, but less outliers age and weight wise. In short I found just as many 'doable' girls in the 45 at Sharks, as in the 90+ in Oase. Of the big Hessen clubs, the girls in Sharks are by far the best temptresses. Far nicer in trying to get your ziimertime than the girls in Oase and World.
Mohab,
Do World. Best place to relax and the lineup was very good on Sunday 8 July. Of the 4 clubs I visited this weekend (Paradise. Friday; Palace. Saturday; Sharks. Saturday and World Sunday. World by far had the best lineup of 4 clubs. And that was on a Sunday.
Check out the 2 new Hungarian babes. 10/10 from me!
[QUOTE=Mohab;1301906]I am planning 6 nites in frankfurt in September with 4 full fkk days. I've got oase lined up for wed / fri / sat and that is 100 percent set. The problem I am finding being limited to frankfurt area is how to add a bit of variation for the last day. Mainhatten, over commercialised palace etc just don't seem to offer the same "comforts" as oase whilst at the same time it would be nice to add some variation by mixing in another frankfurt club. What do members think; should I do the final day which would be a mon / tue at oase making it 4 days there or do members have any ideas as to where I could do the final day hence adding a bit more of a mix to the trip. Many thanks[/QUOTE]
Always a pleasure to help. If you folks do get the chance to frequent Zurich, feel free to pop into Aphrodisia for copious amount of free cognac or sparkling water at NO cost. Enry free and youj're no obliged to go into a room. I always turn up and jokingly tell the barmaid I am here for the free booze. But after several glass of cognac. Things happen. Imagine picking the top 5 babes from all the NRW and Hessen clubs. And the equivalent can all be found in this cosy bar. But it's 400 for the hour.
[QUOTE=Vitrea;1300535]Simex, nice summary of Zurich. This is better than any post on the Zurich forum. That forum is anemic. May be because those rich bankers don't have time to feed information to us wankers.[/QUOTE]
I came across this article today, in German.
[url]http://www.volksstimme.de/nachrichten/sachsen_anhalt/871155_Schloss-Schoenfeld-wird-zum-Bordell-mit-FKK-und-Saunaklub.html[/url]
In fact having read it twice in German and once with google translator I am still not 100% sure of what it says. Either a new club is opening in September or it already opened and there is some local opposition to it?
Maybe a native German speaker can give us a short synopsis?
Thanks in advance.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1302458]In fact having read it twice in German and once with google translator I am still not 100% sure of what it says. Either a new club is opening in September or it already opened and there is some local opposition to it?
Maybe a native German speaker can give us a short synopsis?
Thanks in advance.
AM[/QUOTE]By all means a nativ Deutsch-spracher should indeed give his synopsis. But as to the first part of your question, in the first paragraph of your linked artikell, it clearly states this former "Schloss" or Castle / Imposing Building will become a Sauna Club and it is planned to open in September.
This much is clear, at lest from my reading of the first paragraph.
The picture of the Castle looks impression. Alot of potential, reminds me of VV building, but this one 4 times the size.
[QUOTE=Ortos; 1302552]By all means a nativ Deutsch-spracher should indeed give his synopsis. But as to the first part of your question, in the first paragraph of your linked artikell, it clearly states this former "Schloss" or Castle / Imposing Building will become a Sauna Club and it is planned to open in September.
This much is clear, at lest from my reading of the first paragraph.[/QUOTE]
The castle Schönefeld will become a brothel with FKK sauna club.
After changing ownership, opening is planned for September.
It was empty for 5 years, till finally sold.
The prior owner thought it was meant to be a hotel and restaurant. He was not told it was meant to be FKK.
It will be the buyer's third Sauna Club. He admitted he did not tell the seller.
The club will not disturb the 85 inhabitants of the village. People want to have fun INSIDE. And customers come from a circle of 200 km (120 mi)
And, he stresses, we do nothing illegal, verboten.
15 luxurious rooms, discrete parking, Restaurant with national and international cuisine.
Right now there are doing renovations, and he needs 10-15 personnel.
Only for males or couples.
And the new owner will allow public usage of the castle's park, which was blocked by the prior tenant. Only trouble: internet reception is lousy
Googled the name and it 'looks' like the new club is located at Straße der Jugend 1, 01561 Schönfeld, Germany in the small village of freitelsdorf. Problem is the photo's on google that show the schloss schonfeld don't match up with the photo in the news article.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1303045]Googled the name and it 'looks' like the new club is located at Straße der Jugend 1, 01561 Schönfeld, Germany in the small village of freitelsdorf. Problem is the photo's on google that show the schloss schonfeld don't match up with the photo in the news article.[/QUOTE]It's this place.
[url]http://www.altmarktourismus.de/kulturmark/schloesser/details.php?id=1[/url]
I am currently flying by the seat of my pants thru Eastern Europe towards Germany.
Are reservations required at any of these clubs or is just "show up and have fun"?
Looks like I will be hitting World based on recent recommendations. Is the accommodation option there a good idea or is it best to stay in frankfurt and travel by Taxi?
I will not have a car, and my German is limited to nil (French and English fluent) so loal public transport may be an effort mitigated by a taxi. Or just rent a car?
Thanks,
Fox
I am currently flying by the seat of my pants thru Eastern Europe towards Germany.
Are reservations required at any of these clubs or is just "show up and have fun"?
Looks like I will be hitting World based on recent recommendations. Is the accommodation option there a good idea or is it best to stay in frankfurt and travel by Taxi?
I will not have a car, and my German is limited to nil (French and English fluent) so loal public transport may be an effort mitigated by a taxi. Or just rent a car?
Thanks,
Fox
Yes that does look like the place. Here is a short wiki article about the place (in German). Seems it has a little history.
[url]http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schloss_Sch%C3%B6nfeld_%28Altmark%29[/url]
Thanks Brazil for the synopsis. More or less what I understood but I was not sure.
Myself I have to wonder about the wisdom of this place. Looks nice enough but the location is pretty much in the middle of a fairly depressed area as far as I know. Close to Dresden but 180km from Berlin, a little far for an evenings play. Also I can imagine heating such a place, unless massive renovations were don to insulate, would be high, especially when you have to keep naked girls warm.
But never the less it does look interesting.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1303202]Myself I have to wonder about the wisdom of this place. Looks nice enough but the location is pretty much in the middle of a fairly depressed area as far as I know. Close to Dresden but 180km from Berlin, a little far for an evenings play. Also I can imagine heating such a place, unless massive renovations were don to insulate, would be high, especially when you have to keep naked girls warm.
But never the less it does look interesting.
AM[/QUOTE]The location and the size of the building remind me of two clubs to the south. Harem and Park S Doli. And you don't hear much about these two clubs.
[QUOTE=Foxwilly; 1303163]Looks like I will be hitting World based on recent recommendations. Is the accommodation option there a good idea or is it best to stay in frankfurt and travel by Taxi?
I will not have a car, and my German is limited to nil (French and English fluent) so loal public transport may be an effort mitigated by a taxi. Or just rent a car?
Thanks,
Fox[/QUOTE]Bahn. De has an English version.
[url]http://www.bahn.de/i/view/USA/en/index.shtml[/url]
You put in any address anywhere in Europe and it tells you exactly how to get there by public transport. With timetable. Including how to walk the last stretch. Amazing. Got me everywhere. They do have apps for android and most likely iphone
I was at World on Sunday to recover from the mammoth marathon Fri / Sat sessions in Paradise / Sharks / Palace the weekend just gone.
To recover, my strategy was to keep away from the busy Oase lineup and hit World facilties to chill out on a quiet Sunday, but the lineup
in the evening made World beat the 3 Fkk's above.
There were 2 beautiful Hungarian Hotties busy all night, one was an 8 and her friend was a 10/10 in my books.
The 10/10 was busy all fu#king night, so I went with her friend instead. Great session, but I was sexually and physically exhausted.
[QUOTE=Foxwilly; 1303163]I am currently flying by the seat of my pants thru Eastern Europe towards Germany.
Are reservations required at any of these clubs or is just "show up and have fun"?
Looks like I will be hitting World based on recent recommendations. Is the accommodation option there a good idea or is it best to stay in frankfurt and travel by Taxi?
I will not have a car, and my German is limited to nil (French and English fluent) so loal public transport may be an effort mitigated by a taxi. Or just rent a car?
Thanks,
Fox[/QUOTE]
Stay in a cheap hotel in central frankfurt. There is nothing to do near world in the town of giessen. You can take a train from frankfurt to giessen for 40mins. From giessen train station to fkk world 20euro in taxi. Exactly same for the way back and you can stay in world till 4/5am in the morning and catch the first trains back from giessen to frankfurt. Just look at dbahn. Type it into google click on the english version and type in frankfurt to giessen.
Enjoy,
Mohab
I have noticed a trend which ok to a point is quite amusing with regards to our rumanian starlet beauties which dominate our clubs. Of course this is due to a natural flow of economics ie little job prospects / money leading to increased earnings found in the richer western european countries. Please do not take this post in the wrong way by any means but it MIGHT interest some readers to do a wikipedia search on rumania and to learn about the great cities for eg constanta on the black sea coast / the culture history etc. At the very least I feel this can only lead to a greater understanding of these lovely girls who for some strange reason keep on denying they are from rumania? Very strange. I would even go as far to say that your private room time will be improved by possessing at least a basic knowledge of the in's and out's of this amazing country steeped in history / you would at least on some level then be able to "relate" to the girls more and even understand where they are coming from. Call me melodramatic if you want but if the clubs are 70% rumanian inhabited whenever I have talked about rumania to the girls mentioning the different cities / geographical locations etc I have found a marked response from the girls even one of surprise and the conversation can go from mechanical zimmerbaby to a far more interesting interaction which can only increase the likelyhood of a better session. It sounds crazy but as this is a forum where members are allowed to freely express myself I have just done that exactly!
Thanks,
Mohab
Brothel visitors drugged and robbed.
[url]http://www.thelocal.de/society/20120713-43745.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1301294]I think it's purpose is to give the opportunity to chat a bit without worrying too much about going off topic and with less stricter rules in general. At least this is my interpretation.
Kimino[/QUOTE]You're probably right, Kimono.
Mind you, if 'General Info' was a little more relaxed, there probably wouldn't even be a need for L&C...
I am not talking now about facilities, food, atmosphere, etc. After my long 11-days venue with 2-day break in between and counting my multiple previous trips I ranked clubs by the quality of the room service provided by the girls. I found that this ranking is different than my ranking of the clubs in general.
So:
1. Acapulco (no competition)
2. Samya (way above than #3)
3. Villa Vertigo (from here and below the difference is not significant)
4. Golden Time, Vienna.
5. World.
6. Golden Time, Bruggen.
7. Mainhatten.
8. Sharks.
9. Harem, Padedorn.
10. Planet Edem, Duren.
11. Das 5 Element.
12. PSR, Lohnmar.
13. Pirates bay.
14. Magnum (disaster)
Not included in the list some significant clubs: Oase, Palace, Bernds, Living Room, where I haven't been a while. I newer visit large clubs that are not listed here. I did not mention smaller clubs like Night and Day, First, Royal, etc because hard to remember what happened there during my single visits. I newer repeat them.
It looks like by quality of the service NRW beats Hessen and BWT. And this is for less money.
I understand that service level is not about the club but about individual girl. My ranking is based just on statistic. Your ranking is different? Please share.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1305008]I am not talking now about facilities, food, atmosphere, etc. After my long 11-days venue with 2-day break in between and counting my multiple previous trips I ranked clubs by the quality of the room service provided by the girls. I found that this ranking is different than my ranking of the clubs in general.
So:
1. Acapulco (no competition)
2. Samya (way above than #3)
[/QUOTE]That's a great list you have put out, my experience has been limited to 3 FKKs so far, as I'm a great fan of action in the KINO, I would rank the following considering the comfort of having action in the kino.
1. Mainhatten.
2. The Palace.
3. Samya (almost non-existent, only sofas in the Kino)
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1305008]I am not talking now about facilities, food, atmosphere, etc. After my long 11-days venue with 2-day break in between and counting my multiple previous trips I ranked clubs by the quality of the room service provided by the girls. I found that this ranking is different than my ranking of the clubs in general.
So:
1. Acapulco (no competition)
2. Samya (way above than #3)
3. Villa Vertigo (from here and below the difference is not significant)
4. Golden Time, Vienna.
5. World.
6. Golden Time, Bruggen.
7. Mainhatten.
8. Sharks.
9. Harem, Padedorn.
10. Planet Edem, Duren.
11. Das 5 Element.
12. PSR, Lohnmar.
13. Pirates bay.
14. Magnum (disaster)
Not included in the list some significant clubs: Oase, Palace, Bernds, Living Room, where I haven't been a while. I newer visit large clubs that are not listed here. I did not mention smaller clubs like Night and Day, First, Royal, etc because hard to remember what happened there during my single visits. I newer repeat them.
It looks like by quality of the service NRW beats Hessen and BWT. And this is for less money.
I understand that service level is not about the club but about individual girl. My ranking is based just on statistic. Your ranking is different? Please share.[/QUOTE]I would put Bernds at the top in terms of consistency of quality of service by the girls in (and out.) of the room.
Only one point of disagreement wih your otherwise very useful post: I think tha some clubs are making efforts to standardise the qualiy of service. Again, Bernds is an example.
As opposed to big clubs like Oase or Palalce, Bernds has to make sure that they have an edge, since the number of the girls is lower, and the optifuck level far less. AT Bernds, I have always got with any girl BBBJ, DFK, DATY, CIM or COB for the standard price of 50. Only supplement is Anal.
1. Acapulco (no competition) = Agree, Room 5 about 30 sq meters covered in mirrors from ceiling to walls. Reminds of the porn scence in American Psycho
2. Samya (way above than #3)
3. Villa Vertigo (from here and below the difference is not significant)
4. Golden Time, Vienna. Jacuzzi Rooms are v good.
5. World.
6. Golden Time, Bruggen. Cabin 15, outside is their best room.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1305008]I am not talking now about facilities, food, atmosphere, etc. After my long 11-days venue with 2-day break in between and counting my multiple previous trips I ranked clubs by the quality of the room service provided by the girls. I found that this ranking is different than my ranking of the clubs in general.
So:
1. Acapulco (no competition)
2. Samya (way above than #3)
3. Villa Vertigo (from here and below the difference is not significant)
4. Golden Time, Vienna.
5. World.
6. Golden Time, Bruggen.[/QUOTE]
Well putting Aca on top, pretty much disqualifies the rest. Top clubs (what service is concerned) will always be among Freude, Bernds and Babylon (maybe some other smaller clubs). For the rest it may depend on the girls you pick, but Aca. Kissing is for love. Pulco, will not rank that high. In PHG, LR, GT, Samya, World, Sharks, Oase, etc it all depends on the girls you find. But Aca is more and more like the Penelope's and Salome's of the saunaclub world. YMMV of course.
This conversation seems to have arisen in both the Palace and Oase threads.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1305488]I've seen girls charging Italians, Chinese, Americans etc. 500/1h no extras, telling me, pointing out these guys and laughing their ass off. Then I took them for the room for standard rates and excellent service. If you support this. Your money. It's you the girls are laughing about.[/QUOTE]I don't have your experience clubbing or your perspective. However, this case would certainly be the fools getting ripped off. I do believe there is a difference between fools wasting money and travellers compromising with what seems to be the way of the world, at least at Palace.
While personally I prefer to pay the standard rates, on my last trip to the Palace I met a guy who willingly pays triple the rate, and the girls were certainly not laughing at him, though he was also a regular. Also, the line 'It's you the girls are laughing about' may overestimate the extent to which the girls have an objective, stable opinion at all. Also, we should not in general be so affected by what the girls think, let their supposed stable opinions (for really, what she says will differ from monger to monger, and there is no truth behind all the lies) have any effect on our self-perception. I only care what a handful of girls think of me, the rest it's just not worth it.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1305354]It seems an obvious thing that people can pay what they want; but all this willingness to overpay does screw things up for other mongers. Especially tourists (I'm quite sure London Traveler doesn't fir this description BTW) that first ask a whole lot of questions on this board, and than bust their bankroll in a single weekend, are in essence punishing the regulars that were so kind to provide info (the Hessen Bubs of ISG). Palace is already out of the question for me and if my last visits are anything to go by, Oase is quickly following. If you think the marketprice of sex is higher than 50, that might only be the case in the 'distorted' market of Frankfurt, in NRW it is clearly lower than 50 (cheaper longer sessions, Acapulco).[/QUOTE]I see what you're saying. My only suggestion though is that it is not just the tourists who inflate the prices, but the girls themselves. They are wh0res after all. They are fundamentally our enemies, though they may become our friends to oppose us.
What I'm saying is obvious, of course. But given that you're upset about the situation, shouldn't the old-fashioned method of blaming the women also be considered?
Otherwise, I concede you have much more data on the matter than I do.
[QUOTE=Mohab; 1304021]I have noticed a trend which ok to a point is quite amusing with regards to our rumanian starlet beauties which dominate our clubs. Of course this is due to a natural flow of economics ie little job prospects / money leading to increased earnings found in the richer western european countries. Please do not take this post in the wrong way by any means but it MIGHT interest some readers to do a wikipedia search on rumania and to learn about the great cities for eg constanta on the black sea coast / the culture history etc. At the very least I feel this can only lead to a greater understanding of these lovely girls who for some strange reason keep on denying they are from rumania? Very strange. I would even go as far to say that your private room time will be improved by possessing at least a basic knowledge of the in's and out's of this amazing country steeped in history / you would at least on some level then be able to "relate" to the girls more and even understand where they are coming from. Call me melodramatic if you want but if the clubs are 70% rumanian inhabited whenever I have talked about rumania to the girls mentioning the different cities / geographical locations etc I have found a marked response from the girls even one of surprise and the conversation can go from mechanical zimmerbaby to a far more interesting interaction which can only increase the likelyhood of a better session. It sounds crazy but as this is a forum where members are allowed to freely express myself I have just done that exactly!
Thanks,
Mohab[/QUOTE]Mohab, excellent advice. I will make it a point to learn something about Romania, and even some Romanian phrases. Maybe something about Hungary too! No doubt that when there is a bit of a personal connection, things get hotter. Everyone wants to be treated with respect, even pros.
Whoever pays 500 Euros is really silly, no matter how rich they are.
I have only been to one FKK ever, Goldentime in Vienna. I have been to a lot of brothels in Prague etc though. I am always aware of the price and would never pay over the standard rate unless I have negotiated some serious extras, and even then not much more.
I love OWO, but I never pay for it. In fact some girls rim me in Goldentime and I never pay for that as well.
Did you really see someone do that? Even if they are dead drunk, they are completely stupid then. I thought in all these places the standard price was well known.
I will be in Frankfurt for a short period in September, and it so happens that one of my available days will be Saturday. 15 September, the last evening of the large Automechanika messe. Having read past reports, I am familiar with some of the trade-offs involved with going to Oase, Palace, Mainhattan, or World during that particular messe.
From what I have read, Oase, Mainhattan, and Palace will all likely be packed with girls before 10 pm, so any would be good choices for going early. World may be a little depleted with girls heading to other clubs closer to the city (the above, plus Sharks) to get in on the messe action. But later in the evening, Oase, Mainhattan, and Palace will likely be flooded with men. Based on what I have read, this sounds pretty awful: some men walking around fully clothed, girls in full-on processor mode, overcrowded public areas, etc. Some of these clubs may be better at dealing with the influx of men (sounds like Mainhattan may be better than Oase in this regard?).
My question is this: If you had to choose a club in which to spend that evening, which would you choose and why? I would be particularly grateful to hear from local or senior members or others who have experience visiting clubs during this particular messe. I wasn't planning to rent a car, but if people strongly suggest that World is the way to go, I would consider trying to get access to one.
Thanks
[QUOTE=UmichaLex; 1304621]Thanks a ton Rocketboy and LJ for those detailed insight. As always, experts tend to have different opinions on a given topic and its is ultimately left to the reader to analyze those opinions and make an informed decision. I guess I`ll just wait for LJ to report on his experience in Zurich and Berlin after that if I am still in a dilemma over which city to monger along with Berlin, I guess I`ll toss a coin to decide. BTW, you guys mention some girls will be away for summer vacation and that might put a drain on the talent available anywhere in Europe, so I was wondering when dose this summer vacation end. Reason I ask this is because I am to an extend flexible with my flight schedule and maybe I can decide when I want to visit EU. Well given this will be my 1st Mongering trip, I do not mind splurging for GFE with some fine hotties.
Alex[/QUOTE]Dear Alex, I was forced to reschedule my plans for a mongering trip this weekend due to medical procedure of a family member, so my Zurich / Berlin mongering trip will not take place this weekend as planned. My trip to Europe has been rescheduled to the end of August for the first weekend in September (a long holiday weekend in the USA). On the new plan, I will be in Zurich on August 30 and will report about it then, so if you were waiting to hear about my observations in FKK Globe and the Zurich scene before deciding which city to visit after your Berlin visit, my report on Globe will be delayed by several weeks. I also decided to take my own advice to you and to head to the FKK's in the Frankfurt area for that weekend instead of Berlin. Artemis is still on my to do list, but will have await a trip later this year, possibly in October.
Hope your trip works out well. I'm sure you will have great fun and an interesting time whichever of the cities under discussion you choose to monger in on the return from your Berlin visit.
LJ
[QUOTE=KPete;1305557]My question is this: If you had to choose a club in which to spend that evening, which would you choose and why? I would be particularly grateful to hear from local or senior members or others who have experience visiting clubs during this particular messe. I wasn't planning to rent a car, but if people strongly suggest that World is the way to go, I would consider trying to get access to one.[/QUOTE]I am going to be attending the messe and will choose to go to World Sep 15. Simple because I don't want to risk a sausageparty. I have no previous experience with being in FRA during messe, but maybe the regulars would share their experience. Would be nice to know!
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1306134]I am going to be attending the messe and will choose to go to World Sep 15. Simple because I don't want to risk a sausageparty. I have no previous experience with being in FRA during messe, but maybe the regulars would share their experience. Would be nice to know![/QUOTE]This is exactly the same reason why I newer attend Hannover clubs during the messe. I would rather drive to Padedorn (FKK Harem) to avoid any chance to meet someone who might know my face, which is pretty known in the industry.
[QUOTE=LilJoey; 1306086]Dear Alex, I was forced to reschedule my plans for a mongering trip this weekend due to medical procedure of a family member, so my Zurich / Berlin mongering trip will not take place this weekend as planned. My trip to Europe has been rescheduled to the end of August for the first weekend in September (a long holiday weekend in the USA).
LJ[/QUOTE]Hey JL,
Ah man! I thought you will be reporting on Globe today. Jokes apart, sorry to hear about the medical procedure of your family member and appreciate you giving me a heads up about the change in your plans. Well even my trip got delayed and now I will be hopefully heading there during mid Sept. I kinda solved my 2nd city to monger dilemma by deciding upon going to Manchester to catch a game after hopefully fun time in Berlin. Going by the Manchester thread, it looks like it is not such a promising place for mongering, so my mongering adventure will be limited to Berlin. Next time, I`ll try to stop by Frankfurt along with either Zurich or Vienna next time.
Good for you that you choose the tried and tested path of FKK`s at Frankfurt. I live in the states as well so I know about the 1st weekend of spet. Anyway, have a blast at FKKs of Frankfurt and Globe a tZurich and once again thanks for the great suggestions on everything.
Alex
How does Oktoberfest affect the fkk's in FRA and NRW (ie. Lots more guys? Drunk guys? More or less girls?)
Oktoberfest does not affect clubs in Hessen or Frankfurt.
Big Messe events in Frankfurt do effect mainly Palace and Oase, to some extent Mainhattan, Sharks only a little and World not at all.
HB
Any reason why I can't find any info on Das Sudfass in Frankfurt?
[url]http://www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php[/url]
Ta!
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1297570]I've done it several times, you never know just how determined the girl is with getting that 50 euro's. One time I had the girl sitting on my lap at Oase on one of those couch's by the rooms, waiting for one to open. It took 15 minutes for one to free up, massaging her back (not groping). Things looked good until we get in the room and the first thing out of her mouth is 'I can only do BJ, your too big for me'. At which point I said "ok, forget about it then". She then demanded 50 euro's for having to wait for the room. Told her that wasn't going to happen and kept on walking. You don't know if she's going to follow you and make a scene, just start walking.
Another trick is the girl starts with 69 so she can slip a condom on for the BJ. She knows guys are apt to quit the session if she insists on a CBJ. Had this happen on my last trip, she's already sucking away so its too late to duck out of the room. So did the only other thing possible, fucked her hard for the rest of the session. She kept on saying 'you cum yet? ' which I'd reply "I always cum fast with a BBBJ but since you don't do that, we'll have to finish this way' and I'd keep on pounding away. After a weeks worth of BBBJ's, you don't feel shit with a CBJ.
And don't forget the end of the hour trick of trying to trick you into staying past the half hour. This is where the girl will ask if its ok to smoke afterwards, lights up and tries to start a conversation. The conversation is usually forced, you can tell the questions she's asking are a delay tactic to get you to forget about the time. She wants to show up to the money lockers at the 40 minute mark and tell you its 100 euro's, not 50. Yeah, you have to wait for the girl to get dressed, clean up the mess and all. Anything longer than 3 minutes and you have to wonder if she's trying for the extra 50. Only once did I actually leave the room and head back to the lockers, I wanted to be at the bar waiting so she couldn't say I overstayed in the room. Amazing how fast she got dressed after I said I'll meet you at the bar.[/QUOTE]Excellent advice about the smoking bit. I got burned by that at Oase. A 50E cigarette, no thanks! Keep your eye on your watch unless you are planning a true GFE session for hours.
[QUOTE=Go123; 1306258]Any reason why I can't find any info on Das Sudfass in Frankfurt?
[url]http://www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php[/url]
Ta![/QUOTE]Don't know why. Here's my review from a couple of years ago:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=1025677#post1025677[/url]
Myr.
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1306518]Don't know why. Here's my review from a couple of years ago:
[url]http://www.InternationalSexGuide.info/forum/showthread.php?1100-Other-FKK-Clubs&p=1025677#post1025677[/url]
Myr.[/QUOTE]Thanks for that Myrmidon.
Seems like a quite place 2 yrs ago. More local clientele perhaps.
Wonder what the opening of Mainhatten just a short distance away has lowered or made better the line up?
Did the "Search" option before but nothing came up.
May be worth a look.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1306236]Oktoberfest does not affect clubs in Hessen or Frankfurt.
Big Messe events in Frankfurt do effect mainly Palace and Oase, to some extent Mainhattan, Sharks only a little and World not at all.
HB[/QUOTE]How come Mainhattan is less affected than Oase? My guess would be that most messe-guys would go to the more central clubs like Palace, Mainhattan, hell even Sudfass and to some extent Oase? Wouldn't Oase be too far away for these 'tourists'?
You europeans are so lucky that you have FKK. As an American, it would be impossible to find some naked, smoking hot, young chick come up to you and say,"Do you want to fuck me?" And you could proceed to do it legally with total anonymity. It just simply would never happen.
And not only that, but then you proceed to turn her down! You reject her because even though she's hot, you look for somebody hotter. It's just crazy!
It's just an amazing experience. Plus. 50 euro for 1/2 hour is a total bargain. In the USA, it's about $20 USD for a 2 minute lap-dance. The lap dance is just a tease, also. Usually, people get 3 songs for $60 USD. 6 minutes. That's it. Then you still got to go home or your hotel and jack off to internet porn. So 50 euro for 30 minutes is an amazing bargain!
In America, people like Hugh Grant get arrested, shamed, and ruined by doing what German businessmen can do during their lunch hour and go back to work. Plus, in the USA, very few of the prostitutes are white, and if they are, they're usually obese, disgusting drug addicts. Most are usually large butt black skanks (nothing wrong with black women, but if you like white women, it is more difficult) who have multiple diseases. In the FKK, you have smooth-skinned, cute ass and small waist college-girl types who don't have needle track marks. Also, at oase, very few have tattoos, so they have beautiful, young, smooth skin. In the USA, if the white girl is skinny, it's because they're addicted to drugs and they're emaciated nasty skinny.
So if you're european, it's easy for you to just drive for a great time. We Americans have to take a flight, cross multiple time zones, and spend lots of money. But it's worth it. So if you're American and you've never been to an FKK, I would encourage you to spend the money and do it. You will never go back to a strip club in the United States again because it's just like throwing money into the water. Imagine walking into a strip club in the USA, and you see some smoking hot stripper and you want her. Then 5 minutes later, you're banging her doggie style or she's giving you a phenomenal blow job. It's just truly an incredible experience. You Europeans (especially the Germans) are so lucky!
[QUOTE=Go123; 1306258]Any reason why I can't find any info on Das Sudfass in Frankfurt?
[url]http://www.dassudfass.de/site/index.php[/url]
Ta![/QUOTE]Check in the same thread "Brazil Specialist's German FKK tour", I reported on Sudfass. Not the first choice, but if you have plenty of time, or if you have little time and are right downtown, there is Sudfass (ok, a good curiousity for being the oldest FKK) plus a Laufhaus (Eros Center) next door, with amazing girls.
[QUOTE=Catmouse123; 1306701]You europeans are so lucky that you have FKK. As an American, it would be impossible to find some naked, smoking hot, young chick come up to you and say,"Do you want to fuck me?" And you could proceed to do it legally with total anonymity. It just simply would never happen.
And not only that, but then you proceed to turn her down! You reject her because even though she's hot, you look for somebody hotter. It's just crazy!
It's just an amazing experience. Plus. 50 euro for 1/2 hour is a total bargain. In the USA, it's about $20 USD for a 2 minute lap-dance. The lap dance is just a tease, also. Usually, people get 3 songs for $60 USD. 6 minutes. That's it. Then you still got to go home or your hotel and jack off to internet porn. So 50 euro for 30 minutes is an amazing bargain!
In America, people like Hugh Grant get arrested, shamed, and ruined by doing what German businessmen can do during their lunch hour and go back to work. Plus, in the USA, very few of the prostitutes are white, and if they are, they're usually obese, disgusting drug addicts. Most are usually large butt black skanks (nothing wrong with black women, but if you like white women, it is more difficult) who have multiple diseases. In the FKK, you have smooth-skinned, cute ass and small waist college-girl types who don't have needle track marks. Also, at oase, very few have tattoos, so they have beautiful, young, smooth skin. In the USA, if the white girl is skinny, it's because they're addicted to drugs and they're emaciated nasty skinny.
So if you're european, it's easy for you to just drive for a great time. We Americans have to take a flight, cross multiple time zones, and spend lots of money. But it's worth it. So if you're American and you've never been to an FKK, I would encourage you to spend the money and do it. You will never go back to a strip club in the United States again because it's just like throwing money into the water. Imagine walking into a strip club in the USA, and you see some smoking hot stripper and you want her. Then 5 minutes later, you're banging her doggie style or she's giving you a phenomenal blow job. It's just truly an incredible experience. You Europeans (especially the Germans) are so lucky![/QUOTE]Well said. I agree completely. That's why I laugh when people ***** about me giving 150E for a GFE+ session. 1 hour with one of the hottest girls I have ever seen. It is a ridiculous bargain.
[QUOTE=Catmouse123; 1306701]You europeans are so lucky that you have FKK. As an American, it would be impossible to find some naked, smoking hot, young chick come up to you and say,"Do you want to fuck me?" And you could proceed to do it legally with total anonymity. It just simply would never happen.
And not only that, but then you proceed to turn her down! You reject her because even though she's hot, you look for somebody hotter. It's just crazy!
It's just an amazing experience. Plus. 50 euro for 1/2 hour is a total bargain. In the USA, it's about $20 USD for a 2 minute lap-dance. The lap dance is just a tease, also. Usually, people get 3 songs for $60 USD. 6 minutes. That's it. Then you still got to go home or your hotel and jack off to internet porn. So 50 euro for 30 minutes is an amazing bargain!
In America, people like Hugh Grant get arrested, shamed, and ruined by doing what German businessmen can do during their lunch hour and go back to work. Plus, in the USA, very few of the prostitutes are white, and if they are, they're usually obese, disgusting drug addicts. Most are usually large butt black skanks (nothing wrong with black women, but if you like white women, it is more difficult) who have multiple diseases. In the FKK, you have smooth-skinned, cute ass and small waist college-girl types who don't have needle track marks. Also, at oase, very few have tattoos, so they have beautiful, young, smooth skin. In the USA, if the white girl is skinny, it's because they're addicted to drugs and they're emaciated nasty skinny.
So if you're european, it's easy for you to just drive for a great time. We Americans have to take a flight, cross multiple time zones, and spend lots of money. But it's worth it. So if you're American and you've never been to an FKK, I would encourage you to spend the money and do it. You will never go back to a strip club in the United States again because it's just like throwing money into the water. Imagine walking into a strip club in the USA, and you see some smoking hot stripper and you want her. Then 5 minutes later, you're banging her doggie style or she's giving you a phenomenal blow job. It's just truly an incredible experience. You Europeans (especially the Germans) are so lucky![/QUOTE]Very well said.
[QUOTE=Catmouse123; 1306701].
So if you're American and you've never been to an FKK, I would encourage you to spend the money and do it. You will never go back to a strip club in the United States again because it's just like throwing money into the water. Imagine walking into a strip club in the USA, and you see some smoking hot stripper and you want her. Then 5 minutes later, you're banging her doggie style or she's giving you a phenomenal blow job. It's just truly an incredible experience.
Catmouse123-
I had to laugh about this one when I read it. That is exactly what happened to me at home in the US. I suppose 12-13 years back, I got in the habit of going to the strip clubs a lot, and I really liked what I was doing. I was spending a lot of money, just to go home under the influence of a hard-on. I eventually flew out to the state of Nevada, where some legal brothels exist. I got laid, but, the money it cost for sex with a 6 or 7+ was ridiculous! The attitudes were horrible and quality and good service was hard to find. Kissing, DATY, and BBBJ were almost non-existent. It's the only time in my life I actually tried eating pussy (the only option) through a piece of Glad wrap. It didn't make me very 'glad'. The last time I was at the Sagebrush outside Reno, Nv. , I approached a woman that might have been an 8 in looks. She acted like I was inconveniencing her, and wanted $700 US for a covered BJ and fuck for 30 minutes. And, that was 12 years ago! I wasn't asking to buy the thing, I just wanted to use it for a few minutes!
On the flight home, a started thinking about the couple of backpacking trips I took in Europe, when I got out of college, in the earlier 70's. I didn't have much money, then, but, I remembered the $5 HJ I got in Amsterdam, from a Barbie Benton look alike (if you know her, you're getting old, too) , the 80 francs ($16 US) bareback fucking (pre- AIDS) with the additional 20 francs ($4 US) BBBJ, from the most gorgeous Parisian red head in Kelly green thigh high boots, and the Frankfurt HBF 40 marks bare back BJ and sex with the red head streetwalker (pre-Eros Centers and FKK) that was so skinny after she removed her winter coat, that I felt sorry for her. I wondered if Europe still had much of sex scene.
When I got back, I started looking around on my new computer. I ran across the ISG, and history changed. A short time later, I flew back to Amsterdam for the first time since the 70's. In 8-9 hours, I could fly to a foreign country, get lodging, food, and get laid, all for less than the 'Sagebrush chick' wanted for a 30 minute spread! And, I've been planning adventures somewhere in Europe regularly ever since. And to end a long, drawn out story, I haven't been in an American strip club for six-eight years, and have doubts I ever will again, thanks to the ISG and the internet. My non-traveling buddies just can't understand why I won't go to the strip clubs, now. I just keep telling them, 'Go to Germany with me sometime, and then, I think you'll understand'.
Horbate
[QUOTE=Smokhee2003;1306727]Well said. I agree completely. That's why I laugh when people ***** about me giving 150E for a GFE+ session. 1 hour with one of the hottest girls I have ever seen. It is a ridiculous bargain.[/QUOTE]I have to contradict you. It is not as the standard price is 100. But I get your point, though I don't agree.
HB
[QUOTE=Horbate; 1306747]I had to laugh about this one when I read it. That is exactly what happened to me at home in the US. I suppose 12-13 years back, I got in the habit of going to the strip clubs a lot, and I really liked what I was doing. I was spending a lot of money, just to go home under the influence of a hard-on. I eventually flew out to the state of Nevada, where some legal brothels exist. I got laid, but, the money it cost for sex with a 6 or 7+ was ridiculous! The attitudes were horrible and quality and good service was hard to find. Kissing, DATY, and BBBJ were almost non-existent. It's the only time in my life I actually tried eating pussy (the only option) through a piece of Glad wrap. It didn't make me very 'glad'. The last time I was at the Sagebrush outside Reno, Nv. , I approached a woman that might have been an 8 in looks. She acted like I was inconveniencing her, and wanted $700 US for a covered BJ and fuck for 30 minutes. And, that was 12 years ago! I wasn't asking to buy the thing, I just wanted to use it for a few minutes!
Horbate[/QUOTE]Other than the Glad wrap story, which made me laugh, this is my experience exactly. We have decent strip clubs in my area (by US standards) but I haven't been in years. I'd rather save the cash for trips to Europe and elsewhere.
But if customers start giving in to higher and higher prices for things that are supposed to be included, eventually all of the prices will go up. I'm not saying it will ever be as bad as the situation in the US. But the nice things about FKK clubs now are that they're clean, legal, organized and cheap!
From my experience, sometimes the 50-Euro sessions aren't full GFE, although plenty of them are. I've never had a 50-Euro session without BBBJ, though some have lacked DFK. But if you spring for an hour, even at the standard rate which would be 100 Euros, you should be getting BBBJ, DFK, DATY, etc. And all with a smile! At least that's been my experience.
Of course it's a free market so you can pay whatever you like. But really there is no need to inflate prices and pay more than the going rate. If you do then the girls will start to think they're worth more. And that eventually leads to $700 lousy fucks with a girl in a protective bubble of plastic wrap.
USA strip clubs are a JOKE and a big WASTE of money! I haven't frequented strip clubs regularly in ten years. You get some suburban white girl with a little belly on her grinding on your dick thinking she's hot and she's doing something when she ain't doing SHIT to earn that money. I always laugh my ass off too at JUGHEADS going for "two for one deals" when all they're really getting is two half songs, which still adds up to one! LOL! Why pay $60 for a few minutes of "grind" when you can literally fuck for less than that? Yes, you have to pay to travel overseas and all of that, but if the travel is already a regular part of your life that you enjoy, then that's a non-issue. Hell, even in strip clubs in many countries overseas you can get a dance for much less with FULL songs and STILL fuck the girl if you want to afterwards! American titty bars aren't just a laughing matter. They're also RIP-OFFS to be avoided. Those strippers aren't doing jack shit but taking your money, and then they have the nerve to insist on a tip too and get indignant if you don't give them one! Fuck that noise.
Girl Friend Experience.
We are using this acronym a lot but what does it actually mean and are we using it to describe the same thing? I doubt it.
Saying the kind of sex you would have with a girlfriend instead of a prostitute doesn't mean much. I can understand the idea is of describing a sexual act with a lot of sweetness instead of rough sex but this doesn't always apply, among the relations I had I can very well remember girls with which we ALLWAYS had kind of rough sex. So I think my question is valid, although maybe not interesting for some.
I'm the first one to probably misuse this term as I very often talk about GFE in my reports, indicating sessions in which a lot of kissing takes place, caressing, there's sweetness and that kind of stuff. But this is really vague and personal.
So, when is a session GFE and when is it not?
Anyone wants to give his POV?
Kimino
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1306955]Girl Friend Experience.
We are using this acronym a lot but what does it actually mean and are we using it to describe the same thing? I doubt it.
Saying the kind of sex you would have with a girlfriend instead of a prostitute doesn't mean much. I can understand the idea is of describing a sexual act with a lot of sweetness instead of rough sex but this doesn't always apply, among the relations I had I can very well remember girls with which we ALLWAYS had kind of rough sex. So I think my question is valid, although maybe not interesting for some.
I'm the first one to probably misuse this term as I very often talk about GFE in my reports, indicating sessions in which a lot of kissing takes place, caressing, there's sweetness and that kind of stuff. But this is really vague and personal.
So, when is a session GFE and when is it not?
Anyone wants to give his POV?
Kimino[/QUOTE]Personally I feel GFE is one of the most over used terms in monger-dom. I know many guys use it to indicate a certain level of service and as such have a list of things that need to be included, usually at the very least BBBJ and kissing. Thus it is possible for a girl to claim and even advertise herself as a "GFE" provider. For me though it is more of a feeling thing or an energy that I get from the girl. Of course some will say I am an old fool who is mostly good at fooling himself. But some girls or sessions remind me of the type of sex I would have with a GF, if I can remember that long ago. So there is simply an ease or a flow to the sex and despite my self fooling abilities I feel a chemistry with the girl.
My experience is that some girls are very good at providing this with a variety of men. I am under no illusion (or maybe just a little illusion) that I am special to the girl. She however somehow has the ability to make me feel special and I certainly enjoy the illusion. Gabriella for Oase is a great example of such a girl, as is Fatima at Artemis and to a certain lesser degree, Nina. It is also not a static thing and can change. Any girl who advertises herself as a GFE-Pass
So to answer your question Kimino- A session is a GFE when I calls it a GFE. Nothing more, nothing less.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1306964]So to answer your question Kimino- A session is a GFE when I calls it a GFE. Nothing more, nothing less.
AM[/QUOTE]Well Hangus, the only problem with this is, does it mean I have to invite you in as the GFE Inspektor to confirm it when I feels it? You know how shy I am. It also depends on your relative standards. When I compare say to a sheep, all womens are GFEs.
Now of course, chemistry rules in these things, but there is also no doubt that some women really do get into it a lot more than others and do indeed seem to offer a full on session for many (hence their obvious popularity). Maybe the minimal attraction bar is simply lower for them, they are more highly sexed up with hormones, or just enjoy men. Who knows? But they clearly exist. Nymphomania is another word for it maybe though obviously dated and misleading as lots of cultural norms operating here. I guess you can make an argument for this at times at various gang-bangs. So some girls saying they offer GFE may not be complete bullshit, though obviously one must be wary. If she feels the attraction, there are less crass ways to get the message across.
I know I personally offer [i]only[/i] the male equivalent [b](BFE)[/b] to all the ladies-otherwise I could not make the decision to be with them. But then again, all men seem to be nymphos.
All here [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ3F7uAFSqs[/url]
The whole show great but check out the clip starting around 03:00 where college men and women are asked by strangers to have sex. Hilarious.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1306964]Personally I feel GFE is one of the most over used terms in monger-dom. I know many guys use it to indicate a certain level of service and as such have a list of things that need to be included, usually at the very least BBBJ and kissing. Thus it is possible for a girl to claim and even advertise herself as a "GFE" provider. For me though it is more of a feeling thing or an energy that I get from the girl. Of course some will say I am an old fool who is mostly good at fooling himself. But some girls or sessions remind me of the type of sex I would have with a GF, if I can remember that long ago. So there is simply an ease or a flow to the sex and despite my self fooling abilities I feel a chemistry with the girl.
My experience is that some girls are very good at providing this with a variety of men. I am under no illusion (or maybe just a little illusion) that I am special to the girl. She however somehow has the ability to make me feel special and I certainly enjoy the illusion. Gabriella for Oase is a great example of such a girl, as is Fatima at Artemis and to a certain lesser degree, Nina. It is also not a static thing and can change. Any girl who advertises herself as a GFE-Pass.
So to answer your question Kimino- A session is a GFE when I calls it a GFE. Nothing more, nothing less.
AM[/QUOTE]Great summation of what GFE means. If a girl can convince me that she is enjoying the kissing / DATY / BBBJ / fucking, and especially if she can put some doubt in my mind about whether we have some special "chemistry" going, then she is GFE to me. True hallmark of a pro in my opinion.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1306858]USA strip clubs are a JOKE and a big WASTE of money! I haven't frequented strip clubs regularly in ten years. You get some suburban white girl with a little belly on her grinding on your dick thinking she's hot and she's doing something when she ain't doing SHIT to earn that money. I always laugh my ass off too at JUGHEADS going for "two for one deals" when all they're really getting is two half songs, which still adds up to one! LOL! Why pay $60 for a few minutes of "grind" when you can literally fuck for less than that? Yes, you have to pay to travel overseas and all of that, but if the travel is already a regular part of your life that you enjoy, then that's a non-issue. Hell, even in strip clubs in many countries overseas you can get a dance for much less with FULL songs and STILL fuck the girl if you want to afterwards! American titty bars aren't just a laughing matter. They're also RIP-OFFS to be avoided. Those strippers aren't doing jack shit but taking your money, and then they have the nerve to insist on a tip too and get indignant if you don't give them one! Fuck that noise.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more!
Just to let everyone know I have decided to change my name here on the forum. I am now StarletVoyager!
Thanks,
Mohab
I'm an older guy but have dabbled only lightly in the hobby. I have probably less mongering experience than any of the rest of you. I broke my FKK cherry last year with a dedicated trip to Palace. 3 long days there.
I was confortable (understatement) , confident, and successful in choosing good girls, avoiding upsellers and overcharging. DHow could such a newbie do so well in that infamously difficult environment? Well, most of the credit goes to tis board, where I lurked for years, then studied like crazy before the trip.
But it was only after I returned home that I realized that I had been well prepared by 13 years as a regular at a nice midwest college town strip club. Now, this one was better than most, in that it offered full nudity on stage and mutual touching anywhere but the G-string during lap dances. And there were plenty of attractive girls.
But more to the point, the social scene there was much like at Palace. Girls hung out singly, in pairs, or with customers. They paraded around or approached customers, etc. And the social dynamics were essentially the same: girls selling a service. I was able to develop and practice all the skills necessary for success in an FKK: learning to say no, observation, assessment, practice in saying no, developing my club persona, choosing my lies, more saying no, etc. These any many more skills and strategies have been well discussed here in the past. No need to elaborate now. I concluded that strip clubs provide better cross-training for FKK life than actual mongering in less social venues.
It was only after reading recent negative comments here that I awoke to the obvious: not all strip clubs are the same.
[quote=likemflat;1306801]but if customers start giving in to higher and higher prices for things that are supposed to be included, eventually all of the prices will go up. i'm not saying it will ever be as bad as the situation in the us. but the nice things about fkk clubs now are that they're clean, legal, organized and cheap![/quote]there's a couple of things going on which makes the us mongering scene substandard.
first is. prostitution is illegal everywhere except for a couple of places where it is tightly controlled by laws. you're going to pay extra for top-shelf pussy when you're buying it in a country where the girl is taking a chance of going to jail. in the places where it's legal it's so tightly controlled as to kill all the "fun" in it.
second is. most women in the us don't really consider prostitution to be an option. this is because of the illegality of it; the fact that it's condemned by most people; the fact that prostitutes forfeit equal protection under the law (they're not supposed to but cops don't give a shit about hookers who are raped or abused) ; and, most importantly most women have other options for financial success than prostitution.
third is. us doesn't have an influx of aliens who are willing to perform sex work. let me restate that a bit, because many mexican women might come here to engage in the occupation but our immigration enforcement officials vigorously look for them and deport them.
this is not at all the case in germany where prostitution is legal, not so tightly controlled, there is an influx of aliens willing to engage in the profession (i. e. all the romanian girls) , and attitudes toward the profession are more moderate.
by the way. i've been expecting fkk's to increase prices due to the falling euro. right now $1. 21 us dollars equals 1 euro and the fkk's are fast becoming an even more awesome deal for americans. it seems the exchange rate on the euro drops everyday.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1307426]I've been expecting Fkk's to increase prices due to the falling Euro.[/QUOTE]Did you expect FKK prices to decrease when the exchange rate was over 1. 5 to 1 a few years ago? It is not obvious to me why the prices of services in Germany would be a function of foreign exchange rates, Euro to Dollar in particular, especially when the costs of generating the services in question are Euro denominated. I just read that deflation pressure in the Euro Zone is actually increasing.
[QUOTE=Cantil; 1307410]I'm an older guy but have dabbled only lightly in the hobby. I have probably less mongering experience than any of the rest of you. I broke my FKK cherry last year with a dedicated trip to Palace. 3 long days there.
I was confortable (understatement) , confident, and successful in choosing good girls, avoiding upsellers and overcharging. DHow could such a newbie do so well in that infamously difficult environment? Well, most of the credit goes to tis board, where I lurked for years, then studied like crazy before the trip.
But it was only after I returned home that I realized that I had been well prepared by 13 years as a regular at a nice midwest college town strip club. Now, this one was better than most, in that it offered full nudity on stage and mutual touching anywhere but the G-string during lap dances. And there were plenty of attractive girls.
But more to the point, the social scene there was much like at Palace. Girls hung out singly, in pairs, or with customers. They paraded around or approached customers, etc. And the social dynamics were essentially the same: girls selling a service. I was able to develop and practice all the skills necessary for success in an FKK: learning to say no, observation, assessment, practice in saying no, developing my club persona, choosing my lies, more saying no, etc. These any many more skills and strategies have been well discussed here in the past. No need to elaborate now. I concluded that strip clubs provide better cross-training for FKK life than actual mongering in less social venues.
It was only after reading recent negative comments here that I awoke to the obvious: not all strip clubs are the same.[/QUOTE]And this nice midwest college town is?
Are you perhaps living in Germany and thinking of traveling to the USA for its sex scene? Just kidding. The name of the college town doesn't matter. Tho off topic, I'll tell the story briefly.
In the early 1990s someone noticed that in Missouri laws restricting behavior in strip clubs were tied to establishments serving alcohol. There sprang up a proliferation of non-alcolholic "juice bars" all over the state that permitted the kind of wonderful laxity I described previously. Of course laws criminalizing prostitution remained in effect everywhere.
Then about 3 years ago the state legislature outlawed all sexual behavior of any kind (outside of marriage) , including sexual thoughts. Just kidding again. But they did squash the juice bar phenomenon. Now dancers must maintain at least 3 feet of space between themselves and customers (not kidding) , among other silly restrictions. Missouri's clubs went from maybe the best to maybe the worst.
[QUOTE=Atooz;1307498]Did you expect FKK prices to decrease when the exchange rate was over 1. 5 to 1 a few years ago? It is not obvious to me why the prices of services in Germany would be a function of foreign exchange rates, Euro to Dollar in particular, especially when the costs of generating the services in question are Euro denominated. I just read that deflation pressure in the Euro Zone is actually increasing.[/QUOTE]LOL. No I never expect prices to go DOWN. Do you?
And. It's not a function of foreign exchange rates. The fact that the Euro is falling means that every Euro in the purse of a hooker in an FKK is worth less than it was one year ago. That's fine as long as there isn't any inflation occurring simultaneously. But there usually is.
You can bank this though. If the currencies of Romania, Hungary, and all the places the little FKK girls come from start to outperform the Euro. You will see prices raised. It's economics.
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1307758]LOL. No I never expect prices to go DOWN. Do you?
And. It's not a function of foreign exchange rates. The fact that the Euro is falling means that every Euro in the purse of a hooker in an FKK is worth less than it was one year ago. That's fine as long as there isn't any inflation occurring simultaneously. But there usually is.
You can bank this though. If the currencies of Romania, Hungary, and all the places the little FKK girls come from start to outperform the Euro. You will see prices raised. It's economics.[/QUOTE]Lapdances in California used to be $5 a song. Now up to $40. Had nothing to do with inflation. Not sure why it has gone up so much. I don't think economics are directly tied to the price of ho's or strippers. Hoconomics has its own dynamics.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1307426]By the way. I've been expecting Fkk's to increase prices due to the falling Euro. Right now $1. 21 US Dollars equals 1 Euro and the FKK's are fast becoming an even more awesome deal for Americans. It seems the exchange rate on the Euro drops everyday.[/QUOTE]We've seen exchange rates from 0. 88 to 1. 58 US-$ for 1 EUR. Price for half an hour at a German FKK have been 50 EUR all the way through. Why should that depend on the exchange rate to the dollar? I get paid in EUR. I pay the girls in EUR. The take EUR back to their home countries, mostly EE.
HB
[quote=arctic;1307758]you can bank this though. if the currencies of romania, hungary, and all the places the little fkk girls come from start to outperform the euro. you will see prices raised. it's economics.[/quote]nope, its not. romanian lei was overperforming in 2007 and the romanian hooker prices stayed the same in germany. hungarian forint was overperforming in mid 2008 and prices of hungarian pussy in germany stayed the same.
in germany, prices have been same for 10 years now, and before that they were actually higher (100 dm charge for 30 min in room became 50 but the exchange rate was dm 1. 95583 = 1). and it had been 100 dm for quite some time before that so looking back at 15 year history, price of pussy in germany has gone down, and considerably so when inflation is calculated into the price.
in spain the prices have gone down even more. girls in clubs where girls the asking price was 70-80 for a 1/2 hour session few years back are now accepting 40-50, and some of the most desperate ones are getting pretty close to blowing you just to get something warm to drink. it will probably go back up once the situation becomes better in that exact area and men have more money to blow. it will be unrelated to the exchange rate of the lei or the forint.
i would not try to make too much economic sense out of pussy price. there are other factors much more relevant that decide the price such as legality, stigma, pimps etc.
few years back there was actually a peer-reviewed journal that published a study of the pussy price where the research question was why an uneducated woman can charge so much for manual labour and what was the cause o the premium above other manual labour. it was pretty interesting. i tried finding it again but no success.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1307406]Just to let everyone know I have decided to change my name here on the forum. I am now StarletVoyager!
Thanks,
Mohab[/QUOTE]Nice name, but why didn't you just use the forum's name change facility instead of starting again from scratch?
[QUOTE=Cantil;1307410]It was only after reading recent negative comments here that I awoke to the obvious: not all strip clubs are the same.[/QUOTE]But take it from a pro. Most of them are! Hell, I've fucked in strip clubs before. Had my dick sucked. Pumped a hot girl in the ass. Done all kinds of shit. All in American strip clubs! But, that's far and away the exception for strip clubs across this land, and anybody in the know who is being honest knows it. If you've seen one, then partner you've pretty much seen them all! And as far as that "cross-training" goes? Brothers save your money and learn ON THE JOB at a FKK or terma or wherever. Any place but a USA strip club. Even with the mistakes you might make, you'll still come out way, way, WAY ahead. Any "benefits" derived from the strip clubs are FAR outweighed by the "harm". I rest.
Admin told me anyone over 100 posts can't change name. Anyway my new name reminds me of the mars voyager but I am instead searching the globe for the hottest hotties and not old rocks!
[QUOTE=Smokhee2003;1307844]I remember one guy posted that he had no trouble getting BB at FKKs if he paid a large sum of money. Why the fukk you would pay to get a disease is beyond me, but I wouldn't want to session with a girl who offers bareback. To paraphrase an old comedian, I would not want to be part of any girl who would have my bare member.[/QUOTE]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this? Reason I'm bringing this up here is my 'take' on the decline of the Bernds lineup. They used to have a nice mix of girls there, something for everyone. On my last visit (and from reports on this board) it seems the talent has declined significantly. I enjoy my trips to the clubs but really don't want to take home something extra to remember a girl if at all possible. If a club is known for AO then it seems guys who like that service tend to frequent those types of clubs. Its only logical to assume that more people in one club partaking in AO increase's the chance of someone carrying a disease and passing it along.
The question is this: you as a regualar hobbiest, would you still visit a club after learning that half the women performed AO (bareback full service)? Personally I don't doubt it happens in the larger clubs, have to believe its not as often as say Bernds.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1307766]Why should that depend on the exchange rate to the dollar? I get paid in EUR. I pay the girls in EUR. The take EUR back to their home countries, mostly EE.
HB[/QUOTE]Thanks HB, that's exactly my point.
IMHO, the only time when the exchange rate with the Dollar *may* affect prices in Germany is if Germany imports a great deal from the U.S. (and these are essential products and services and that there are no alternatives), so much so that it impacts the costs of living negatively for the German. Even then, the law of supply and demand still comes in play. And in today's economic climate, there is a great deal of surplus and excess capacity in the market place due to falling demands. This is true in the general economy and to some extent in the P4P industry. That's why deflation is more of a threat than inflation right now. (Be careful with what you wish for, deflation is much worse than inflation.)
Germany's eonomy is export driven. So a weaker euro slows it down as German good get more expensive. But we don't export pussy. For now.
HB
[QUOTE=Cantil; 1307729]Are you perhaps living in Germany and thinking of traveling to the USA for its sex scene? Just kidding. The name of the college town doesn't matter. Tho off topic, I'll tell the story briefly.
In the early 1990s someone noticed that in Missouri laws restricting behavior in strip clubs were tied to establishments serving alcohol. There sprang up a proliferation of non-alcolholic "juice bars" all over the state that permitted the kind of wonderful laxity I described previously. Of course laws criminalizing prostitution remained in effect everywhere.
Then about 3 years ago the state legislature outlawed all sexual behavior of any kind (outside of marriage) , including sexual thoughts. Just kidding again. But they did squash the juice bar phenomenon. Now dancers must maintain at least 3 feet of space between themselves and customers (not kidding) , among other silly restrictions. Missouri's clubs went from maybe the best to maybe the worst.[/QUOTE]Well, before internet, ISG adn FKKs, I used to go often to the US on business and would spend a lot of time in SCs. I knew this law that you refer to, and I had pretty good time in someplaces, in Florida, California, Michigan etc. The new law had been implemented. At the same time, I discovered FKKS. And just don't bother trying anything anymore in the US. The only place that is nice is San Diego because Tijuana is 15 min away.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1307891]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this? Reason I'm bringing this up here is my 'take' on the decline of the Bernds lineup. They used to have a nice mix of girls there, something for everyone. On my last visit (and from reports on this board) it seems the talent has declined significantly. I enjoy my trips to the clubs but really don't want to take home something extra to remember a girl if at all possible. If a club is known for AO then it seems guys who like that service tend to frequent those types of clubs. Its only logical to assume that more people in one club partaking in AO increase's the chance of someone carrying a disease and passing it along.
The question is this: you as a regualar hobbiest, would you still visit a club after learning that half the women performed AO (bareback full service)? Personally I don't doubt it happens in the larger clubs, have to believe its not as often as say Bernds.[/QUOTE]Here is an example how one, probably unvoluntarily, starts a "rumour".
Bernds, a club where half the girls offer AO? Any proof? Statistics?
I, for once, was offered AO in Palace, as well as Oase. Does it makee those clubs AO clubs?
Soon the whole of ISG will think of Bernds as an AO club. Unfair and untrue.
And with regards with quality of girls, Bernds has never been, and will never be an optofuck club, and that is fine to many of us. There is no recent decrease in quality, the quslity remains what it has always been, with a mix of young and MILfs most 6=7, providing constant outstanding services. I certainly understand that those wanting large numbers of 7 and above should go elsewhere. But to rubbish this club's reputation through the Ao fals rumour is not very nice.
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1307988]Here is an example how one, probably unvoluntarily, starts a "rumour".
Bernds, a club where half the girls offer AO? Any proof? Statistics?
I, for once, was offered AO in Palace, as well as Oase. Does it makee those clubs AO clubs?
Soon the whole of ISG will think of Bernds as an AO club. Unfair and untrue.
And with regards with quality of girls, Bernds has never been, and will never be an optofuck club, and that is fine to many of us. There is no recent decrease in quality, the quslity remains what it has always been, with a mix of young and MILfs most 6=7, providing constant outstanding services. I certainly understand that those wanting large numbers of 7 and above should go elsewhere. But to rubbish this club's reputation through the Ao fals rumour is not very nice.[/QUOTE]The whole point is Bernds isn't an AO club yet. But its pretty obvious a good percentage of the girls offer this service (and not just to regulars) and the way you pay at the end of the night, management has to know its going on. Yes, AO happens at other clubs but as soon as management finds out, the girl is out the door. The clubs reputation is already tarnished by allowing this to continue.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1307891]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this? Reason I'm bringing this up here is my 'take' on the decline of the Bernds lineup. They used to have a nice mix of girls there, something for everyone. On my last visit (and from reports on this board) it seems the talent has declined significantly. I enjoy my trips to the clubs but really don't want to take home something extra to remember a girl if at all possible. If a club is known for AO then it seems guys who like that service tend to frequent those types of clubs. Its only logical to assume that more people in one club partaking in AO increase's the chance of someone carrying a disease and passing it along.
The question is this: you as a regualar hobbiest, would you still visit a club after learning that half the women performed AO (bareback full service)? Personally I don't doubt it happens in the larger clubs, have to believe its not as often as say Bernds.[/QUOTE]Of course AO will be offered sporadically, it is human nature. As far as blowing a guy who had BBFS, the timing is not so much the issue as the kind of guy who goes for BBFS. AO without a doubt increases the chance of "take home gifts" and the people who would partake in that are of course higher risk in general. I don't condone it, but there is zero doubt in my mind that it is available at Fkk's and elsewhere. To answer your question, I would not go to a club where I knew AO was commonplace.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1307974]Germany's eonomy is export driven. So a weaker euro slows it down as German good get more expensive. But we don't export pussy. For now.
HB[/QUOTE]Don't mean to be pedantic or academic, but perhaps by accident or typo, this is backwards. Weaker Euro hugely beneficial to German exports as it makes them cheaper. In fact some feel weaker Euro might be key to sorting out the whole debt mess (see [url]http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/63848d68-d578-11e1-af40-00144feabdc0.html[/url]). The slight downside is it makes imports (e. G. Oil) more costly. It would increase sex tourism by Yanks and Brits to the Pussy (Vater) land.
[QUOTE=Rocketboy0;1308168]Don't mean to be pedantic or academic. It would increase sex tourism by Yanks and Brits to the Pussy (Vater) land.[/QUOTE]LOL: Getting rid of some of the "Yanks" who insist it's okay to vastly overpay for DFK and other standard elements, like the correct session time, etc, might not be such a bad thing after all. :)
The Pussy (Vater) land: That's a superb phrase, bravo! But don't you really mean: the Pussy (Opa) land?
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[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1307865]Admin told me anyone over 100 posts can't change name. Anyway my new name reminds me of the mars voyager but I am instead searching the globe for the hottest hotties and not old rocks![/QUOTE]Appologies StarletVoyager, I have obviously missed that particular restriction in the extensive FAQ section.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1307766]We've seen exchange rates from 0. 88 to 1. 58 US-$ for 1 EUR. Price for half an hour at a German FKK have been 50 EUR all the way through. Why should that depend on the exchange rate to the dollar? I get paid in EUR. I pay the girls in EUR. The take EUR back to their home countries, mostly EE.
HB[/QUOTE]Sorry. Didn't mean to imply that it was driven only by the dollar. My follow up post on this should have explained it. As long as the EE's currencies are underperforming the Euro. There's really no problem. But when (if) the EE's start to outperform the Euro. Then the girls will be taking less money home after they exchange for their local currencies. This isn't the case just yet. Since I checked yesterday and most EE's are still falling faster than Euro.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1308245]As long as the EE's currencies are underperforming the Euro. There's really no problem. But when (if) the EE's start to outperform the Euro. Then the girls will be taking less money home after they exchange for their local currencies.[/QUOTE]The EE exchange rate is irrelevant. An average office or shop worker in Romania is taking home 150 a month (according to an adorable Romi at Oase). She can make that in an hour on a good day. It will take them decades to get anywhere near the Euro or DM (should it return).
[QUOTE=Rocketboy0; 1308168]Don't mean to be pedantic or academic, but perhaps by accident or typo, this is backwards. Weaker Euro hugely beneficial to German exports as it makes them cheaper. In fact some feel weaker Euro might be key to sorting out the whole debt mess (see.
[url]http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/63848d68-d578-11e1-af40-00144feabdc0.html[/url]
). The slight downside is it makes imports (e. G. Oil) more costly. It would increase sex tourism by Yanks and Brits to the Pussy (Vater) land.[/QUOTE]HB is a bit more correct.
You are right for a single currency for a single country, but the Euro is a single currency for multiple countries, all of which have varying levels of competitiveness. Right now Germany is a powerhouse and it's competitiveness is off the scale compared to the rest of the EU. Germany is saddled right now with an undervalued currency in the EU since it doesn't reflect the state of the German economy or productivity. The article you cite is pretty correct in many respects, German exports would go up and wages would go up also. However, if the EU devalues by 10 percent in a year and wages increase by 5%. Then you're still 5% in the hole on wages.
Here's another article arguing for Germany to leave the Euro. [url]http://www.cnn.com/2012/05/30/opinion/prestowitz-prout-germany-eurozone/index.html[/url]
If Germany reissued the DM. It would immediately appreciate and dwarf everything in Europe. And the US I think. You'd have no problems getting the prettiest EE women into the FKK's to earn those highly valued DM's. It would be a golden age for FKK.
[QUOTE=Macca 74;1308253]The EE exchange rate is irrelevant. An average office or shop worker in Romania is taking home 150 a month (according to an adorable Romi at Oase). She can make that in an hour on a good day. It will take them decades to get anywhere near the Euro or DM (should it return).[/QUOTE]It's not irrelevant. If the RON were to appreciably outperform the Euro. One could simply start opening FKK's in Romania and the girls would work for the higher currency there.
EDIT: That is ... if prostitution were legal in Romania - which it isn't yet.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1308256]It's not irrelevant. If the RON were to appreciably outperform the Euro. One could simply start opening FKK's in Romania and the girls would work for the higher currency there.[/QUOTE]It's totally irrelevant. It's practically a third world economy. Hardly any infrastructure or manufacturing. It will never be an economic super-power. The people there earn approximately 10 times less a month than the average German. Seriously, how much do you think the world's second largest currency will devalue? Does logic or common-sense come into it, at all?
Arctic, if you know there is going to be a massive oil or gold find in Romania in the very near future which will totally transform the economy, then I hope you will let your friends on here know.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1307891]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this?
Yep, It Has Happened!
Here is an interesting story that fits in with the discussion about what HAS happened with bareback. My family physician at home in the states told me, this actually happened to a patient of his, after he had performed a vasectomy on a patient, years back.
The vasectomy had been done on this man and there had been enough time and testing to show that he was no longer producing any sperm. His wife, who was still fertile, turned up pregnant. She was absolutely adamant that she had never been unfaithful to him during their marriage. Of course, he disagreed.
It actually became a legal issue in the courts. It was proven, without a doubt, that the man was not producing any 'live bullets'. But, it was also proven that he regularly visited prostitutes, which he would normally do bareback. The courts eventually ruled, that he had had bareback sex with a prostitute that, in turn, had bareback with everybody else. He had then come home, with enough live sperm, from another man, in his urethra, and had sex with his wife, impregnating her. And, it is my understanding that she didn't much of a sense of humor about the whole thing! Remember that one next time you do bareback right before you meet your wife!
Horbate
[QUOTE=Horbate; 1308330][QUOTE=Breadman; 1307891]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this?
Yep, It Has Happened!
Here is an interesting story that fits in with the discussion about what HAS happened with bareback. My family physician at home in the states told me, this actually happened to a patient of his, after he had performed a vasectomy on a patient, years back.
The vasectomy had been done on this man and there had been enough time and testing to show that he was no longer producing any sperm. His wife, who was still fertile, turned up pregnant. She was absolutely adamant that she had never been unfaithful to him during their marriage. Of course, he disagreed.
It actually became a legal issue in the courts. It was proven, without a doubt, that the man was not producing any 'live bullets'. But, it was also proven that he regularly visited prostitutes, which he would normally do bareback. The courts eventually ruled, that he had had bareback sex with a prostitute that, in turn, had bareback with everybody else. He had then come home, with enough live sperm, from another man, in his urethra, and had sex with his wife, impregnating her. And, it is my understanding that she didn't much of a sense of humor about the whole thing! Remember that one next time you do bareback right before you meet your wife!
Horbate[/QUOTE]Hehehe.
In US I guess.
Or did this happen anywhere else?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1308056]The whole point is Bernds isn't an AO club yet. But its pretty obvious a good percentage of the girls offer this service (and not just to regulars) and the way you pay at the end of the night, management has to know its going on. Yes, AO happens at other clubs but as soon as management finds out, the girl is out the door. The clubs reputation is already tarnished by allowing this to continue.[/QUOTE]The whole point is that people like you are tarnishing the reputation of this club without the beginning of a proof.
In one PM you wrote to me, about bernds, some time back:
Quote: "Bareback can be had for an extra 50 per half hour by half the girls (I'm told)." End of quote.
So you vere "told" and now you "tell "us, and it becomes reality? Have YOU been offered, without asking, AO by a Bernd's girl? Ah, well, you were TOLD.
My experience is that I have never been offered AO at Bernds, while I have several times been offered such practices in Oase and palace. And I promise they are not out of the door.". Does not mean, of course, that some girls at bernds would not do Ao, but that this is management policy, again, is pure diffamation.
Anyway, your fearmongering posts do not seem to affect frequentation, if iI rely on some recent posts talking about overcrowding at Bernds.
Finally, as much as I can fully understand why you would not like Bernds, I cannot understand this fixation of AO. Your problem, mate.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1308056]Yes, AO happens at other clubs but as soon as management finds out, the girl is out the door.[/QUOTE]If the girls are independent contractors who pay the club each day, why would they be out the door if what they are doing is not illegal, perhaps just immoral (by not letting other punters know they have BBFS)?
[QUOTE=Horbate; 1308330]
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1307891]And what would the situation be if the guy who got BBFS went on and saw a favorite girl of yours? She just blew a guy who had BBFS only an hour or two before, what's the take on this?
Yep, It Has Happened!
Here is an interesting story that fits in with the discussion about what HAS happened with bareback. My family physician at home in the states told me, this actually happened to a patient of his, after he had performed a vasectomy on a patient, years back.
The vasectomy had been done on this man and there had been enough time and testing to show that he was no longer producing any sperm. His wife, who was still fertile, turned up pregnant. She was absolutely adamant that she had never been unfaithful to him during their marriage. Of course, he disagreed.
It actually became a legal issue in the courts. It was proven, without a doubt, that the man was not producing any 'live bullets'. But, it was also proven that he regularly visited prostitutes, which he would normally do bareback. The courts eventually ruled, that he had had bareback sex with a prostitute that, in turn, had bareback with everybody else. He had then come home, with enough live sperm, from another man, in his urethra, and had sex with his wife, impregnating her. And, it is my understanding that she didn't much of a sense of humor about the whole thing! Remember that one next time you do bareback right before you meet your wife!
Horbate[/QUOTE]You need to find a new family physician. That is IMPOSSIBLE. I would believe in immaculate conception before believing this story.
Senior Members,
Looks like I will be deprived of FKK action for the next 6 months when I am
Posted to NYC. Which 3 clubs would you visit if it really was your last FKK experience :-(
Mine would be:
1) GoldenTime.
2) Acap.
3) Oase.
Outside Germany:
1) GoldenTime (Vienna)
2) Globe. Zurich.
3) Aprodisia. Zurich.
[QUOTE=Smokhee2003; 1308545]
You need to find a new family physician. That is IMPOSSIBLE. I would believe in immaculate conception before believing this story.[/QUOTE]Smokhee2003-
Most certainly very unlikely, but, not necessarily impossible.
The Mayo Clinic-
[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pregnancy/AN00281[/url]
[quote=horbate; 1308588]smokhee2003-
most certainly very unlikely, but, not necessarily impossible.
the mayo clinic-
[url]http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/pregnancy/an00281[/url][/quote]so the sperm went up into this guy's urethra, stayed there despite him peeing, and then got his girl pregnant, presumably after several or more hours? come on bro.
[QUOTE=Smokhee2003; 1308545]
[QUOTE=Horbate; 1308330]You need to find a new family physician. That is IMPOSSIBLE. I would believe in immaculate conception before believing this story.[/QUOTE]No, it could be true. I remember a news item in the 1970s that made all the papers. There was a German couple in what was then West Germany-both white, of course-and the wife gave birth to a black baby. The husband was incensed, accused his wife of infidelity, and threatened divorce. The wife swore that she had never been unfaithful. It turned out that around the the baby was conceived the husband had fucked a prostitute who, earlier the same night, had been fucked by a black man. Some of the black man's sperm got on the husband's dick and he later passed it on to his wife through marital relations, thus impregnating her with the black man's sperm. Hard to believe, but it's a true story.
[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1308626]
[QUOTE=Smokhee2003; 1308545]No, it could be true. I remember a news item in the 1970s that made all the papers. There was a German couple in what was then West Germany-both white, of course-and the wife gave birth to a black baby.[/QUOTE]I remember seeing this on TV but couldn't remember how she was impregnated. I also remember that she ended up loving the black kid as much as her other children.
According to this article, the shape of your penis was designed (or has been evolved) as an effective tool to "displace the semen of competitors from their partner's vagina" during sex:
[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/07/02/penis-shape-explanation_n_1642613.html[/url]
Some interesting facts.
[url]http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3060907/Black-parents-give-birth-to-white-baby.html[/url]
Sumtimes I wonder how this girls can have the stomach in prcessing men of different age and ethnicity. In oase I saw amelia receving money from an old white guy. Young asian guy then an old black guy who is twide her age? I wonder how they can eat food I mean sucking different hot dogs of different colours all day?
Have any of you guys had an experience where once you enter the room the girls says you are too big for her and she can do only blowjob? What can you do in this situation do you walk out or just take the blowjob?
Are there any flat rate clubs in austria, specially near slovenian border?
Thank you for your answer!
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1308645]Sumtimes I wonder how this girls can have the stomach in prcessing men of different age and ethnicity. In oase I saw amelia receving money from an old white guy. Young asian guy then an old black guy who is twide her age? I wonder how they can eat food I mean sucking different hot dogs of different colours all day?[/QUOTE]I suppose a hot dog is a hot dog to them, just different flavours.
A short FKK trip. 4 clubs, Palace, Artemis, Acapulco and Oase. I know it's not really possible to rank the clubs and compare them to each other, it can be day to day on all clubs and the experience can be different depending on that. But here is our picture of the clubs from different wives.
Fun factor or overall impression.
Oase. A clear winner this trip, the girls were not overly pushy just enough for our taste (except for one big one from Argentina that was annoying) , nice outside, OK inside, nice service personal and a nice place to spend a whole day in.
Atremis. It's nice to get away on the bottom floor between sessions and on the basic floor it's easy to get a god picture of the lineup, more aggressive girls but not so it started to bother us. To spend a great day there is no problem.
Palace. Probably the most flashy place of them all but we felt it was to compact and didn't have any really god place to get away between sessions. The girls were more shark types, especially when they felt fresh blood coming in. Only porn on the TV and after a couple of hours it got a little boring to be there, except for session the girls. But the service personal was great, probably the best of all clubs.
Acapulco. Well. After I found some god recommendations here this turned out to be a disappointment for us. The non approach style wasn't our style and it got boring very fast. I like to think that this club is more for regulars or frequent FKK visitors that gets tired of girls chasing, probably we would have enjoyed the club more if it was the last one on this trip. The service was crap except for the blond Russian girl that gave us the tour of the club when we arrived. I have hard time to see myself spending a whole day at this club.
Rooms and food, I put this together, we didn't eat that much at the clubs.
Acapulco. The best and cleanest rooms, the club felt very clean almost sterile, didn't try the food there.
Palace. Clean nice rooms and a great restaurant.
Artemis. OK rooms and OK food, well organized but the final touch is missing to reach the 2 above.
Oase, well while the rest was great in the club the rooms was more of fuck bunkers and the girls had to clean after previous visitors, gave I little dirty feeling in the rooms. Hope it changes when they are finished with their building project. The food has previously been reported here so we didn't even try that.
Sessions, girls and lineup. The lineups was great in all places so it's really difficult to say who had the best. More Rumanians in Acapulco (but hot ones) than on the others, Artemis and Palace had the biggest variety of girls from different parts of the world. Acapulco had the most even lineup where the most was in the range of 7-8, the others had more 9 and 4s. We did around +8 sessions in every place.
Oase. Had on this trip the best performers, we all had the greatest sessions there, the girls was flirting before and after the sessions with us and created a great atmosphere. That followed by Artemis and Palace where the girls was more pushy to get us in the room but was less interested in us after the sessions (some exceptions) but some great performers in both places. Acapulco well what can I say, we all had OK session, no rock bottom, some above average but most uninspired standard basic sessions. The theory we had about that place was that the non approach thing they have there made it difficult for us to scan and pick the god ones and we felt a little disoriented there in the beginning, how to approach, chose and so on. That ended with us picking the girls by their looks rather that the attitude, still impressive that there was no rock bottom session.
The god the bad and the ugly this trip. .
The god was the damage the evening at Acapulco did on my wallet, impressive, makes me wonder where in the world U can fuck so hot girls for so little money, it's on a lever with the really cheap monger destinations in the world. (If just the fun factor been higher)
The blond playboy bunny at Oase, I think here name was Bunny but the regulars at the club probably knows here, a tall leggy one with big artificially made boobs, great body and face from Berlin. My Elanore at FKK clubs a hot German blond model like girl, done a bunch of them but never walked out of the room really satisfied, except for the optic satisfaction, but this time, wow. It did started bad when we joke with here and she didn't got it and got little pisst off at us, crappy English from both sides I guess. After that was cleared out she sat down and chatted with us and she turned out to be a pretty cool girl. After chatting away some time with us without trying to get any of us in the room I decided to take a spin with here, without any expectations other than to get a nice optifick, but it turned out to be a great surprise, so god I had to repeat later and that was even better. After the 1st round I was chatting with some fellow monger that asked me how she was, little later she slide up behind me and slapped my bum smiling and told me she go with my friend. 5 min later she was back chatting after settling the finances and shower, I guess she can be a hit or miss type of girl that can execute here customers fast if she wants to and with the optic she provides and the skills she got I am not surprised. Anyway, some girls just cash in the repeat biz others evolve, too bad we didn't make to Oase the day after, would have been nice to do a day 2 with her.
The freckled Colombian at Oase did a fantastic great number on me, planned to repeat with here but then the blond ``Elenore`` rocked my world but when the smoked had cleared I can't say who was better of the 2 Oase girls, both are the type that I easy could have session with all day long without regret trying someone else.
The same goes for the extremely curvy Egypt / Braz girl at Artemis. I don't know what it is with her that turns me on so much but she just makes my world rocks. Been with her a couple of times before and she never disappoints, just oops I she did it again.
Beside this. 2 girls at palace that was above average. A small Egypt girl did a great number on me and there was a hot Turkish (I think) girl that worked in Artemis before (she told me) that gave a great memorable BJ.
A read headed Polish girl and a Braz at Oase, Palace had also a Braz from Sao Paolo that was top of the line. 2e hand info.
The bad and ugly.
The black shark at Palace. I tuned here down a couple of times but she just came back and I finally gave in. Oh what a rookie mistake I did. But I searched for a hot black girl to session and she fitted the bill and promised a hot steamy session where she would fuck my brain out.
In the room the up sell started. 1 hour, CIM, bum, kiss and so on, I told here we go for a standard 30 and see where we end, she pushed for cim and I told here if that happens it happens, she got little pissed off and started a raw brutal BJ that was really unpleasant and hurt me so I had to stop here and tell her how I like it, and she told me OK you pay me 100, and I asked why? Ohh I have no money blablablaBla, I told her no we see how this goes first and she started to give me a bad BJ again and when I got it up I asked for condom and started to do here missionary, but hearing here fake moaning turned my off so bad I decided to make this as fast as possible and turned here to doggy (she had a nice bum) but on my first push she screamed I went to deep. At that point I was about to stop and walk out or fake an orgasm but realizing that I would create a scene and probably make me more pissed and ruin the rest of the evening for me, I closed my eyes and thought about my blond Elenore from the day before and with that inner picture in my head and 100% focus on the task I made to the finish line. Fast up and out of the room so I wouldn't risk ending I a 35min discussion, she talking in the background all the time about tip money bla bla, me just smiling shaking my head, in the locker I realized that I didn't had 50 even realizing she wouldn't give me 10 back I had to give here 60, amazingly she complained about only 10 tip, was about to tell her that she should paying me for hurting my sausage and she would had got all she wanted if she would have done a god job, but I didn't. Back in the bar with a sore sausage I licked my wounds and promised myself to never ever go with that shark type again, but deep inside I know it's just a matter of time before I make my next blunder. It's always the same thing for me, I expect the girls to know that I am a seasoned monger that have been around the block many times and they take me for a sucker and try to pull stunts like it's the first time I pay for it, ohh well I probably never learn to always have my guard up.
Overall it was a great trip where most parts of the world was explored except for the Asian continent and almost all did a god job on us. Maybe the Latin parts of the world have an edge on the rest, but I am a sucker for Latin looking girls so that probably cloud my judgment. I hear a lot of negative comments about Romanian girls that obviously works in the club in great number, but I think they are in the same level as everybody else, some god and some bad both in looks and service, and if I look at the girls from a distance I can tell (in most cases) if they coming from Italy, Turkey, Spain, Russia or Romania, in the end it's all about service and optic and in that department they are like everyone else.
I am curious about the clubs in the Dusseldorf area. The price levels are damn attractive in that area and next trip we plan to explore the clubs in that area. Who have the non approach style, is the average line ups in the clubs as god as the big ones or is Acapulco the top of the line there?
Anyway thank U all for providing info here, I hope my crappy English provide some info to someone.
Cheers
Just a quick question really: I know Harem (Unfortunately, I don't know WHICH Harem it was, whether the Saunaclub near Hannover or the Pauschaclub near Cologne!) used to have a room with a glory hole, where a girl would suck you off more or less anonymously. Either way, I don't think it exists there anymore. Does anyone know of another FKK, sauna club, RLD or Kino in Germany with a glory hole? It's a fantasy of mine. (Please don't tell me I have to cut a hole in my bathroom wall and hire a girl in-great idea as that may be!)
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1308645]Sumtimes I wonder how this girls can have the stomach in prcessing men of different age and ethnicity. In oase I saw amelia receving money from an old white guy. Young asian guy then an old black guy who is twide her age? I wonder how they can eat food I mean sucking different hot dogs of different colours all day?
Have any of you guys had an experience where once you enter the room the girls says you are too big for her and she can do only blowjob? What can you do in this situation do you walk out or just take the blowjob?[/QUOTE]These girls are sucking all sorts of dicks all day long. Long, short and many old ones. I am just curious, why do you think it is problematic to suck dicks of different colours. I think the hygiene and attractiveness of the partner would be the most important to normal girls, so for P4P girls this would be lower on their concerns.
I think the pre-eminent concern of the girls is cleanliness.
[QUOTE=Delta Indigo;1310864]I think the pre-eminent concern of the girls is cleanliness.[/QUOTE]And the percentage of younger guys with money to hobby is a whole lot smaller than older guys with savings and or a good job.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1310972]And the percentage of younger guys with money to hobby is a whole lot smaller than older guys with savings and or a good job.[/QUOTE]This quote got me thinking (off the subject of the discussion of girls sessioning with many races). At the end of day, would girls who tend to session with older guys (longer sessions and possibly more tipping due to financial well-being) versus girls sessioning with younger guys (minimum time sessions, as many as possible) make differing amounts of money at the end of the day? I suppose it would rely on how busy the club (and the type of punter's in the club) is but I'm thinking of watching some girls process guys and return every 30 minutes for the next waiting punter and the girls who disappear with an older guy for hours on end. Plus wouldn't an older guy, who may require more time and attention due to age, be more willing to tip for services above and beyond a normal session. I would suppose those that focus on the older guys would come out on top at the end of the day (no pun intended).
A very informative and enjoyable post to read Tors Ham thank you.
[QUOTE=Tors Ham;1310851]After the 1st round I was chatting with some fellow monger that asked me how she was, little later she slide up behind me and slapped my bum smiling and told me she go with my friend. 5 min later she was back chatting after settling the finances and shower, I guess she can be a hit or miss type of girl that can execute here customers fast if she wants to and with the optic she provides and the skills she got I am not surprised.[/QUOTE]Most definitely Sunny; they should include a room with a revolving door just for her in the new extension.
I'm glad you had a good time with her though.
[QUOTE=Tors Ham;1310851]The freckled Colombian at Oase did a fantastic great number on me, planned to repeat with here but ...[/QUOTE]Leticia? If so, great DFK (like most latinas).
Great report. Thanks!
[QUOTE=Ableyone;1311018]Most definitely Sunny; they should include a room with a revolving door just for her in the new extension[/QUOTE]A couple girls I know mention that they will never do a duo with her, as she never washes after a session.
Best Regards,
Smuler
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1308505]In one PM you wrote to me, about bernds, some time back:
Quote: "Bareback can be had for an extra 50 per half hour by half the girls (I'm told)." End of quote.[/QUOTE]And this is true: BBFS is "unofficially" on Bernd's menu, not all women do offer it. As not all women do offer CIM, which is included in the standard service at Bernd's.
HB
[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1308626]
[QUOTE=Smokhee2003; 1308545]No, it could be true. I remember a news item in the 1970s that made all the papers. There was a German couple in what was then West Germany-both white, of course-and the wife gave birth to a black baby. The husband was incensed, accused his wife of infidelity, and threatened divorce. The wife swore that she had never been unfaithful. It turned out that around the the baby was conceived the husband had fucked a prostitute who, earlier the same night, had been fucked by a black man. Some of the black man's sperm got on the husband's dick and he later passed it on to his wife through marital relations, thus impregnating her with the black man's sperm. Hard to believe, but it's a true story.[/QUOTE]Even if they were at a swinger party and the guy plunged his dick right from one pussy to the next, dripping wet with sperm, it would be quite unlikely.
Now if he has a few sperm on his dick, and half an hour later, without washing, sticks it into his wife, it still is quite unlikely to have enough viable live sperm to impregnate her.
This is like getting VD from a toilet seat. Quite unlikely
Hi all mohab here name changed. Very simply I would like to know where you all would recommend going on either the Monday night or Tuesday all day on the day that automechanika starts. I will be visiting oase on other days previous to that so I am looking for a club other than oase as I will return home on that Tuesday. As far as I see it my options are world (but I have been told of thin lineups due to girls moving to clubs nearer frankfurt for the car fair) or palace (again reports of over commercialisation and sharkiness putting me off) or finally mainhatten (but again I am not sure due to thin early week lineups etc even though the fair is on I am not too sure about finding a plentiful supply of hot hunnies here). Anyway this is the puzzle I have been trying to crack with no results so far. I am off to frankfurt in a matter of weeks can anyone help me here please?
Many thanks,
StarletVoyager
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1312859]Hi all mohab here name changed. Very simply I would like to know where you all would recommend going on either the Monday night or Tuesday all day on the day that automechanika starts. I will be visiting oase on other days previous to that so I am looking for a club other than oase as I will return home on that Tuesday. As far as I see it my options are world (but I have been told of thin lineups due to girls moving to clubs nearer frankfurt for the car fair) or palace (again reports of over commercialisation and sharkiness putting me off) or finally mainhatten (but again I am not sure due to thin early week lineups etc even though the fair is on I am not too sure about finding a plentiful supply of hot hunnies here). Anyway this is the puzzle I have been trying to crack with no results so far. I am off to frankfurt in a matter of weeks can anyone help me here please?
Many thanks,
StarletVoyager[/QUOTE]If the problem is finding something to do or a place to go on a Monday or Tuesday, why not remove the problem altogether and fly home on Sunday night. The money saved from not visiting on a Monday or Tuesday can be put towards another trip.
We all know the earlier days in the week are the slower days in the club so if you are after maximum hotties in a short space of time then just visit the clubs at weekends rather than drag out a trip to early into the week when the line ups are thin.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1312859]Hi all mohab here name changed.[/QUOTE]Mohab-got to wonder why after you change your name you remind us every post that you are Mohab? I mean if you want to be StarletVoyager just go with that.
AM
Just want to make sure all my previous postings can be linked in the minds of those I have interacted with here so that in the future there is some continuation with my new updated 2012 name! If that makes any sense.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1314337]Y.
There are a number of German girls at Mainhattan, their place is the bar area nearest the reception adjacent to the smoking room. The Romanians occupy the rest of the club.[/QUOTE]I prefer German girls over Romanian ones so was wondering which NRW and FRA FKK's have the most German girls (under 30 and not overweight).
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1314457]I prefer German girls over Romanian ones so was wondering which NRW and FRA FKK's have the most German girls (under 30 and not overweight).[/QUOTE]From what I have seen Oase's German contingent seems to have moved to Mainhattan. Sharks always seems to have German girls there too, not pushy and good service. I hardly ever see German girls at World except at the parties or the usual ones that have been there for years that are not my taste. Palace also has a fair German line up, read the Palace thread for the recommendations there. Golden Time has a good number of slim Germans. Less so are the other NRW clubs like Villa Vertigo, Planet Happy Garden, Living Room, Samya and Babylon. Subject to IMHO.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1314457]I prefer German girls over Romanian ones so was wondering which NRW and FRA FKK's have the most German girls (under 30 and not overweight).[/QUOTE]Hey Banana Boi, I was once in search for German girls at one time, but after searching my last 3 trips, I pretty much given up because of several reasons. Since I had an inclination that NRW would have most mix of girls other than of Romanian origin, I have been hunting around that area for 3 trips, but ended up with only a few that offered GFE. There was two in LivingRoom. One was a gorgeous tall blond that gives off the aura of not being a GFE material since she stayed away from the couch areas. I went in the room with her and she did everything except anal, but I wouldn't consider her a full GFE, but she was a pure optifuck. Next was a gorgeous black haired German girl that was the same, would hang around the bar area, that I've noticed during when she arrived and was lucky enough to sit with her during dinner time. In the room, she got really into it. She told me she only comes on the weekend, but did not see her there on on my last visit. The only thing is that I was hoping to see them on my last visit to living room, and neither of them were there, and rest of the line up is rather small and not worth bothering and if you stay at the club a long time without going to the room with them they get upset and ignore you. Clubs other than GT, is not Frankfurt clubs like Oase, it's more of a short stay club if you come alone because of the small lineup with one or two good looking girls. Since I don't live in Germany and my sole purpose is to spend time at a club, I need to stay at a club that I can spend a very long time in, and most NRW clubs don't fit that because of the small lineup. What you'll find interesting about LivingRoom is that during the evening on Friday, girls tend to give couch action for a very long time to clients, I don't know if they are frequent customers or not, but it makes you wish that you get some couch action too before going to the room. For me, it turns me off if I don't get any couch action and another customer does, it makes me feel like I have not gotten treated fairly.
GT has the largest lineup in the NRW area. The only problem with GT is that on the days that would have the most girls like Friday or Saturday, it's packed full of men. Women have the advantage at this club, they don't have to put any effort to get clients, there are plenty of men waiting for them. For that reason, girls are treated much better than men at this club. And I'm sure the girl's services decline because of that reason. If you spot a hottie, you should take her right away there or you will not see her again because sometimes girls leave early. One time I went on Tuesday, and spotted a hottie that arrived around dinner, and made the mistake of not going with her, and she disappered rest of the night. Either she was in the room with a client very long time or left early or combination of that. She told me she left early which makes me think that girls will leave any time. Another interesting thing about GT is that there are girls that would hang out with the men for a very long time to relax. So, this makes it a bit difficult to approach them. And makes you question how fair you are being treated by the girls if they are hanging out with other men for free outside the room. But for the most part, they sit in the bar area side by side waiting for a guy to approach them. During the evening most of those bar stools will be empty because all those girls are busy. It gives you a sense that lineup is very small because of combination with number of guys there making it a gay club on packed days. Also, if you would look for a favorite girl there, it's hit or miss at GT, working girls are not consistent with the day they work like girls at Oase. So if you go there looking for a girl, and you might be SOL. In terms of service, GT girls do not offer GFE like Oase. Most sessions I've had, girls expected me to lay on my back like an old man from the get go. There are mostly old customers at GT so they are used to having sex that way, and I did not like that. Also finding a girl that kiss will be a challenge at GT as most of the pretty ones will not kiss. As for finding German girls, I have met several there. There was 5 that I've met, and they were all pretty attractive. So, finding attractive German girls highly probable in clubs like GT or LivingRoom. But the only problem is being sure that they will show up on the day you come to the club. Also, at GT there are less Romanians and girls from other countries like Poland, Hungry, Germany, and others. On last thing is the cleanliness of the girls at GT. Based on my last visit there, I would have to say girls do not clean themselves. 3 sessions in the row I've had, girls smelled down there. It rarely happens at Oase for me.
I'm pretty much done with NRW clubs for the time being because of above mentioned reasons. I wish there was more young German lineup at Oase since I have a thing for German girls, but I have met plenty of Romanians or Polish girls that are very attractive and offer much better services than any girls at GT or LivingRoom.
Simple. Golden time.
Ask for:
Sandi.
Kira.
Leoni.
Chantelle.
Dana.
Kim.
Luisa.
And many more.
Got here at 3pm and the overflow car was already full.
The club was packed and the regular Sunday lineup really lived up to expectations again.
4/5 news faces today, saw a new girl being shown around the club by the blonde boss and see was snapped up within 2 seconds of starting her shift.
Exotic girl with with half Brazilian German blood.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1314457]I prefer German girls over Romanian ones so was wondering which NRW and FRA FKK's have the most German girls (under 30 and not overweight).[/QUOTE]
Nice hearing from you, PL. As you know, I like to club hop when I'm in Germany so going to 2 FKK's a day is the norm for me. For that reason NRW seems to fit my clubbing habits. I'm currently planning my trip there for Sept / Oct. Anyone with NRW hotel recommendations feel free to PM me. Polish, Hungarian, and Czech girls are fine too.
Simex, love your live feeds. I didn't realize GT was a Sunday hotspot. I will remember that.
Yakob, thanks for the heads up about Mainhattan and Sharks.
I personally find Sunday / Monday / Tuesday the best days to attend GT.
Fresh lineup; plenty of rooms; less men and more space to roam.
Many of the GT girls avoid weekends instead they would hit other clubs,
Or stay at home.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi; 1314712]Nice hearing from you, PL. As you know, I like to club hop when I'm in Germany so going to 2 FKK's a day is the norm for me. For that reason NRW seems to fit my clubbing habits. I'm currently planning my trip there for Sept / Oct. Anyone with NRW hotel recommendations feel free to PM me. Polish, Hungarian, and Czech girls are fine too.
Simex, love your live feeds. I didn't realize GT was a Sunday hotspot. I will remember that.
Yakob, thanks for the heads up about Mainhattan and Sharks.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1314712]As you know, I like to club hop when I'm in Germany so going to 2 FKK's a day is the norm for me. For that reason NRW seems to fit my clubbing habits.[/QUOTE]Actually, when you think about it, one of the main factors in deciding whether the NRW vs Hesse is better for "club hopping" is the MACCT (Mean Average Club Closing Time) factor. Clubs in NRW on average tend to close earlier than Hessen clubs. The average club within shooting distance of Frankfurt closes at 4-5AM, wheras in clubs near DD it is significantly earlier, like 01.00 or am I wrong here?
Also with the clubs closing later near Frankfurt, and those clubs offer, on balance, more extensive line-ups, your "club-hopping" milage might be greater in the Hessen clubs vs NRW. You more time to session and work the line-ups of two clups in the Hessen clubs, it seems to me.
However one great NRW club-hop formula is the GT / LR combination: You do GT from 14-19. 00 then ask the GT desk for a discount entry card to LR, and party the rest of the night (20. 30-03. 00) in Kaarst. And there is a good Hotel option 3min walk from LR!
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[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1314712]Nice hearing from you, PL. As you know, I like to club hop when I'm in Germany so going to 2 FKK's a day is the norm for me. For that reason NRW seems to fit my clubbing habits. I'm currently planning my trip there for Sept / Oct. Anyone with NRW hotel recommendations feel free to PM me. Polish, Hungarian, and Czech girls are fine too.[/QUOTE]The clubs in NRW are closer together than most of the hessen clubs. Many also have lower entry fee's than Hessen. But you'd be passing up the larger better staffed clubs in Hessen for the chance to visit more clubs. I would recommend visiting partytreff dorsten and heavensgate as a combo since they're only a mile apart, will give you the chance to see a partytreff and a smaller fkk club up north. F39, Aca, Penelope and others in that area are worth trying out on a club hopping tour since Aca closes later. And as Ortos stated, GT and LR are great for club hopping, again since LR closes late.
Question to BB is how many days are your normal trips? Are they mainly under a week?
There is plenty of clubs in NRW that stay open (relatively) late. Acapulco, Dolce Vita, Heaven 7, Villa Marisol, Van Goch, Magnum, Mondial and Planet Eden stay open till 5 on fridays and saturdays (that's without even looking at the former red carpet clubs, pauschal clubs and partytreffs). During the week these clubs stay open till 3, 2 or 1 (depending on the club) , while Magnum is open till 5 every night. Living Room is till 4 on weekends and 3 during the week. Then there is clubs like Fun Garden and Villa Vertigo that have 'open ends' on weekends. Bigger clubs as Samya and Planet Happy Garden stay open till 3 on weekends, where PHG also gives you the opportunity to continue in By Night (next door, just make sure to empty your locker in time).
If this still isn't enough, you can go to Golden Dreams, where you can stay the night (with a lady of your choice if you can arrange a price) for 50 euros and can stay the whole next day as well. Really plenty of choices, with H7, LR, PHG, VV all within 20 km of each other.
Good Gap Analysis here Ortos.
If you "ever" get tired of the fantastic GT lineup. There's always plan B at LR for 35 more with the discount card.
I always find pockets of potential at LR. When I fly in late to Duss, it's my default club to leverage the longer
opening times and decent lineup.
Have fun whatever you decide. NWR is still my favourite for cost; qaulity and variety.
[QUOTE=Ortos; 1315796]Actually, when you think about it, one of the main factors in deciding whether the NRW vs Hesse is better for "club hopping" is the MACCT (Mean Average Club Closing Time) factor.
However one great NRW club-hop formula is the GT / LR combination: You do GT from 14-19. 00 then ask the GT desk for a discount entry card to LR, and party the rest of the night (20. 30-03. 00) in Kaarst. And there is a good Hotel option 3min walk from LR!
O[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Simex;1316031]Good Gap Analysis here Ortos.[/QUOTE]Young Ortos has always been known and observed to do great GAP analysis before and during his club and cabaret visits.
He also has a well honed talent for filling those GAP`s that he has selected with his accustomed care during his nocturnal ramblings.
E.
[QUOTE=Excess; 1316040]Young Ortos has always been known and observed to do great GAP analysis before and during his club and cabaret visits.
He also has a well honed talent for filling those GAP`s that he has selected with his accustomed care during his nocturnal ramblings.
E.[/QUOTE]And guess where he shops for clothes: The GAP! LOL
Its time for me to post again. Its been a little while since I posted my experience about my first time paying for sex. My previous posts got discussed for the wrong reasons so this time ill post my incoherent mumbling here instead.
Links to my previous reports.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1291199#post1291199[/url]
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1291200#post1291200[/url]
Again I will post about my experiences around paying for sex, and not reviews the girls, its just my way to process my experiences, trying to make sense of it all, as it can be quite daunting for my mind some times. I just hope it will be in some interest for others and just not some ramblings from a mad man.
Since I dipped my toes in the water in Berlin a few months back, I have now completed a four week trip around Europe combining two passions, great beer and great girls.
I have been to brothels, I have had escorts in my hotel room, and of course been to several FKK clubs. My experience has been many and varied from absolute bliss, to self doubt and depression.
For some reason many of the girls I was with, felt comfortable with me and opened up and I talked allot with them and them shared allot about themselves and how this business is, the good and the bad. I do not know how common this is.
The good.
I meet an escort that absolutely blew me away, I spent three "dates" with her over four days, each lasting three hours. This girl was perfect in every way for me, my ultimate girlfriend experience. Either we had genuine chemistry, or she is such a pro, that it took her ten mins to read me and gave me exactly what I wanted. In my mind its option A. She was perfect, in every way from her looks, to the way we talked over a glass of red wine, to they way she seduced me. She knew how to use her lingerie, her breasts, her body, everything to turn me on. Most working girls idea of getting a guy hard is to start the blow job ten seconds after entering the room, to few girls use all their "assets". I am seriously planning to see this girl again, when I was with her the illusion was perfect.
Other then this extraordinary girl, I had dates with two other escorts, one ok experience, and one bad.
The FKKs, oh the FKKs, how sweet they are. A FKK on a slow day from opening to around 20:00 is my perfect day. I have a few requirements though, they need a quiet area where you can escape the music. I hate the clubs where they have loud bad music everywhere, in the rooms, in the garden etc. Wellness area should be separate from the main lounge, no sauna in the smoky lounge etc, and ofcourse clean, they have to be clean. On top of my list is Palace, Mainhatten. Worst is GT Vienna, though the outside beds are awesome there.
I love the atmosphere, I love to walk around just in a robe, I love the attention from the naked girls. There is this special unspoken agreement among the guests, respect for privacy and personal space. Of cause there is exceptions, drunk guys are a nightmare, free beer in the clubs are a bad idea. One reason why I leave when it gets crowded.
The girls also seems more relaxed at daytime, it's easier to get contact with them, and talk to them. I just love how I can relax outside in a garden after a hot sauna, just gently rocking back and forth in a hammock and then some hot woman walks up to you and introduces her self, and the game is on. I found I like the attention I get from the girls, I do not find the girls at Palace pushy at all. Its just right.
The girls of the FKKs,
This trip almost all the girls in the FKKs have been good or great. Again I have to mention GT Vienna as the club with consistent bad service, or maybe I just picked the wrong girls. Palace, Mainhatten, Artemis, Oase, GT Bruggen, all great girls, and great service.
The first FKK visit on this trip started like this, I entered the club, showered. My mind was set on taking my sweet time to find the perfect first girl. One minute later, this cute petite blonde walked up to me and whispered three sentences in my ear, I got an erection in two seconds. And 15 minutes later I had just had the most amazing PSE sex, dirty talk, french kissing porn style, the whole nine yards.
I always found it funny how some girls when they whisper their seduction talk in your ear to get you to the room and is just perfect and hot as hell, and from others its just cheesy and not sexy at all, and basically a turn off.
The French connection.
One fine morning I had just entered a club, and this French girl was trying to sell my a threesome with her friend. None of them was my type at all. So I gave them the standard "maybe later" and walked away. She then stopped me a little later and talked to me again, this time alone. She was slightly chubby with great breasts, some guys would say she had meat on just the right places others would call her fat. Normally I like the petite girls, no skeletons though, that is a major turn off. Somehow this girl interested me, she turned out to be this awesome strong willed outspoken girl, that I really enjoyed. I did three sessions with her over two days totaling three and half hour. The last session was even no sex, just cuddling and talking. She is the slightly crazy type, who would walk over bodys to get what she wanted kind of girl. No compromises. She told me she once hit a client in the head with a bottle when he got aggressive, she called the police on him, the police proceeded to then beat him up again, as he was screaming and insulting her when the police arrived.
The sweet Polish Girl.
The last FKK on my trip was I bit more out of the way then the others so I had rented a car to get there, it also meant that I would break my normal rules and stay there from opening until closing. As I would drive to my next destination during the night and skip a hotel.
This day I clocked in eight hours of "room time" four of those hours with the same sweet petite strong minded Polish girl over three sessions. Including a two hour session on a sofa in the garden. This was my first "public" sex experience and was nervous about it, but there was waiting time for rooms so I decided to try it out. Over the two hours, filled with sex, cuddling, DFK, massage and talking. We where totally in our own world and I did not even notice that there was other people around that could watch us, and I did not care. It was a great experience having sex like this, out in the open feeling the cool afternoon breeze on your body, and not a care in the world, just a perfect moment in time. And the only focus was a great girl beside you, even with other people sitting in sofaes less then 5 meters from you, they simply did just not exist.
The bad.
One girl told me the story about Black Saturday. This is how some girls are broken in to this business, mostly the forced and trafficked girls. To learn how always to smile and treat customers right, the pimp ties up the girl, and then lets some guys have repeated sex with her over 24 hours, vaginal and anal, and she has to smile the whole time or they beat her. The girl gets no break no food no water just 24 hours of constant forced sex. The girls commonly has black marks or bruises on her lower back after this, hence the term Black Saturday.
This story fucked me up bad and it took me several days to get it out of my head, if this is even half true. It shows how bad this business is and what some girls have to endure to give "us" our pleasure.
The forced girl.
This exotic looking girl who spoke very little English intrigued me. So I took her to the room. I started in my normal manner, just talking and gently touching her body. Trying to get a feel for her. As her English was bad, this took a little while, but she was a sweet girl so I did not mind. But then she dropped a bomb on me, she basically told me she was there against her will, her "boyfriend" forced her to work there. She was a born and raised in Germany, but her parents was deeply religious immigrants. So the boyfriend threatened her with telling the parents that she no longer was a virgin and she partied and was drinking alcohol. She told me her father would kill or banish her, if they would find out about her. And the only good thing left in her shitty life was her family, so she would do anything not to loose that. So going to the police was out of the question for her. This is a culture I cannot understand or will ever want to understand, but the girl loved her family so much that she would rather work in forced prostitution then losing them. Her hope was that her "boyfriend" would find someone new and prettier in one to two years time and would then let her go. She told me she was taking anti depressants to cope. And if she had one great day among two bad ones she would be OK. She told me this because I was very nice to her and not the standard German customer. She feared that the if she told the this to a German customer or the club management or another girl in the club, they would contact the police and parents would find out about it. She swore me to secrecy and told me she felt a great relief being able to talk to somebody about this. Either she was a Oscar class actress and completely played me into paying her for two hours of her time with no sex. Or she was for real, I could see her fighting the tears several times.
And when I told her there where no way I could have sex with her after this, she got real scared. Turns out this particular club is really fuzzy about reputation and keeps scoreboards for the girls. So she was real worried that I would come out of the room not looking satisfied and tell the management that she gave a bad performance and should be kicked out from the club, she told me the boss could see it on my face if I did not get great sex, so she practically begged me to have sex with her. But I could not, I just keeps up the act the rest of the day always smiling when I saw her, and she was always kissing me etc.
What a total mind fuck this was for me, what should I do, I felt I had to do something, but she begged me not to. I left the room with serious self doubt and was depressed. Was I a good person for coming to places like this? Was I coward for not doing something? What can I do? Should I tell the management etc.
The irony of the whole thing was my reaction, the way I chose to cope with this. I basically went and had sex with another girl to feel better and then told her about the whole story without revealing the other girls name, to get it out of my system. She then told me this was a common story among FKK girls, in fact it had happened to her also, but she had broken free from her "boyfriend" and worked now 100% independently, and was "happy" with that.
After talking to allot of girls, I learned allot of things. Girls says that regular health checks are not mandatory in most clubs, and some girls choose not to take them. Especially the girls with "boyfriends" taking all their money, so they can't afford tests. Some clubs are runned by the mafia. Many girls have outside pimps / boyfriends and the clubs basically do not care, or can't care because if they get involved in the selling of sex part they get charged with pimping. They just provide the facilities where the guys and girls pay the same entrance fee to use them.
There seems to be two kinds of girls in these clubs, the ones who are independent and strong and do this for themselves because they want the fast money, to buy designer clothes and jewelry etc. And the ones with pimps. The strong independent ones basically say the girls with pimps are stupid and weak and it's their own fault and do not feel any guilt for them, because no matter what they tell them, they would not listen and always go back to their "boyfriends". So they just stop caring about them.
How do you, guys handle the bad side of prostitution, I am basically in bliss when I am with the girls, but the day after I get self doubt and feel badly about it. How do you cope, how do you rationalize it. How can some guys buy sex from drug addicts for 20 euro, and be fine with that and believing its consensual sex. How can guys treat the girls like they are nothing, a product to be used and thrown away, and go home with a clean consciousness. And the you got a whole new subject about wives / girlfriends / children that some of you have to think of. That I don't have to.
I personally have tried to only to buy sex from independent woman, who choose this line of work from themselves. To keep my conscious clean, and as you can read I have failed. And have a hard time with that, still the sweetness of the bliss I experience pulls me, so I really doubt I can stop now, I really have opened a can of worms for myself. Thank the Norse gods there is no FKK in Norway or I would been broke within six months.
There is a lot I have left out, it would simply be to long a post otherwise.
*Disclaimer, all information in this post is my personal observations and / or hearsay, and should be treated as sutch.
Great read in all 3 reports Batou75. I really liked your pensive, self-reflective and introspective commentary. I find I do this myself but have not encountered the diversity of girls or experiences that you have had in only your 1st month vs my 12+ years. Should be added to the posts of distinction.
[QUOTE=Batou75; 1316591]One girl told me the story about Black Saturday. This is how some girls are broken in to this business, mostly the forced and trafficked girls. To learn how always to smile and treat customers right, the pimp ties up the girl, and then lets some guys have repeated sex with her over 24 hours, vaginal and anal, and she has to smile the whole time or they beat her. The girl gets no break no food no water just 24 hours of constant forced sex. The girls commonly has black marks or bruises on her lower back after this, hence the term Black Saturday.
This story fucked me up bad and it took me several days to get it out of my head, if this is even half true. It shows how bad this business is and what some girls have to endure to give "us" our pleasure.
I personally have tried to only to buy sex from independent woman, who choose this line of work from themselves. To keep my conscious clean, and as you can read I have failed. And have a hard time with that, [/QUOTE]Black Saturdays. Common, more than most FKK visitors would think. It's the clean and open facilities, the wellness areas, the ambience which fool the men, are intended to fool them, to make you think everything is clean, legal, the girls working independently and having fun. BS. It's the same pay for sex industry as everywhere else, in a nicer environment. Same pimps, Hells Angels, Albanian and Romanian "managers", girls trafficked.
As you said: you "tried to only to buy sex from independent woman". You can try. But you won't succeed. The dark side is always there. If you can't cope with it. Stay away from paysex.
And does a girl, driven by the economical situation in her country, choose the job herself?
HB
[QUOTE=Batou75;1316591]One girl told me the story about Black Saturday. This is how some girls are broken in to this business, mostly the forced and trafficked girls. To learn how always to smile and treat customers right, the pimp ties up the girl, and then lets some guys have repeated sex with her over 24 hours, vaginal and anal, and she has to smile the whole time or they beat her. The girl gets no break no food no water just 24 hours of constant forced sex. The girls commonly has black marks or bruises on her lower back after this, hence the term Black Saturday.[/QUOTE]Main driving force of this business is lure of quick money and that attracts all sorts of women, but mainly ones who have stomach to be with many different men even some repulsive ones. As it attracts women from general population it also brings in all sorts of problems from that general population, like drug addition or abusive / submissive personalities and relationships. It also brings in entrepreneur types too who see this as their golden opportunity, but majority in my view are driven, like all of us in choosing our jobs, that is what I can do with reasonable effort that will pay me maximum money.
Some girls drive convertibles to work, some say to their children that they are real estate agents and go to different towns to do this business. Some leave child with husband in Romania for 3 weeks and then go back for 2 weeks and this is their main source of family income. I met number of Dominican girls who married German guy (probably on vacation) , and when they move to Germany they get papers and leave husband and go their own way. Several German girls whose mother is German and father American black, Croatian, Iranian etc. Who is hairdresser or office worker, likes to fuck and supplements income. I met Bulgarian girls who jointly get apartment in Frankfurt and they go back and forth on the bus to save money. And, of course, I have seen girls being dropped off from Bulgarian, Romanian or German license plates cars in front of clubs.
I think what you say here is extreme and it happens here and there as a result of abusive personality involved. Abuse happens all over the world and it has nothing to do with paid sex. I do not think is a norm in Germany where this business is legal and regulated. In countries where it is illegal and trafficking is the only supply route it may happen more often but I don't think is that common even there because you cannot run business in a long run by forcing people. People have to have economic interest for business to exist otherwise supply will eventually be reduced and business will die out.
My 2c on this very disturbing topic.
[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1316729]I think what you say here is extreme and it happens here and there as a result of abusive personality involved. Abuse happens all over the world and it has nothing to do with paid sex. I do not think is a norm in Germany where this business is legal and regulated. In countries where it is illegal and trafficking is the only supply route it may happen more often but I don't think is that common even there because you cannot run business in a long run by forcing people. People have to have economic interest for business to exist otherwise supply will eventually be reduced and business will die out.
My 2c on this very disturbing topic.[/QUOTE]There's quite a lot of discussion going on in Germany if the legalization of prostitution did any good to the working girls. Or just to the folks running clubs, brothels etc.
[url]http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=prostitutionsgesetz[/url]%20english%20discussion&source=web&cd=4&ved=0CE8QFjAD&url=[url]http[/url]%3A%2F%[url]2Fwww.cahrv.uni-osnabrueck.de[/url]%2Freddot%2FBroschuereProstGenglisch. Pdf&ei=vJ8vUPKeNszTsgb91oFQ&usg=AFQjCNGPBTdbBQXW5fNVRVKqiXlm0bWURw&cad=rja.
HB
Batou (and HB and Hedonian). Excellent consideration. You have covered just about all the main things so I won't add much.
One way I look at it is that any work is to some extent co-ercive. You exchange your freedom and time in exchange for money. Working in the clubs can be a better option than many jobs (although in some cases of course it carries many risks of increased abuse by pimps, increased risk of cervical cancer etc etc). So, if a girl is working as an economic migrant I can live with that (and even admire it)
Like Batou I tend to try to find girls who are on the independent side who as a result can often be more honest about themselves, their motives and their lives. For me this approach means that (if they wish) I am treating them with respect, honesty and as equal to me. My problem is that despite my advanced age and average looks, I am finding that on occasions girls end up liking me (cynics may say they are playing me a line but I am not so stupid as not to be able to tell). And this has very occasionally disturbed the girl's emotional equlilibrium, which I now have a bad feeling about since their lives can be difficult enough anyway. Seems the whole business is unendingly complex
[QUOTE=Optimist; 1316804]Batou (and HB and Hedonian). Excellent consideration. You have covered just about all the main things so I won't add much.
Like Batou I tend to try to find girls who are on the independent side who as a result can often be more honest about themselves, their motives and their lives. For me this approach means that (if they wish) I am treating them with respect, honesty and as equal to me. My problem is that despite my advanced age and average looks, I am finding that on occasions girls end up liking me (cynics may say they are playing me a line but I am not so stupid as not to be able to tell). And this has very occasionally disturbed the girl's emotional equlilibrium, which I now have a bad feeling about since their lives can be difficult enough anyway. Seems the whole business is unendingly complex[/QUOTE]Optimist could you please share how do your scour for those independant and those who have pimps? How can you tell (eventhough it may NOT be fullproof but if it could help please share). Reason I asked is because one of my fav girls in oase during my last visit saw her sittin watching the tv with a very gloomy look (she is usually cheerfull). Though when she saw me she smiled and everythingi could tell it was fake and then I noticed she has a swollen eye a dn swollen cheek which was concelaed using heavy powder. You could tell either she hit something or someone hit her but I doubt it was her hitting something as it was at 2 different location. I had a feeling she was beaten. I didn't session with her and I really did feel sick to see that. I mean she has to put up with kissing old ugly men doing allsors of things and at the end of the day some stupic young blardy idiot takes her money. If anywaone could share how to spot an independant girl please do share
Almost 99% of the population of the planet is "FORCED" to work to survive. Here in the USA. We have WalMart. There are some hot chicks (not many but some) who work for WalMart 40 to 60 hours a week and they make minimum wage. They could make much more in a German FKK in one summer and then could fly home and attend college the rest of the year. They won't do this but. Is that the fault of all those Romanian beauties who do?
They won't do this because, of course, Americans are "freaked out" by prostitution and anything sexual in general. Here in America, a woman can be RUINED. RUINED I TELL YOU. By a penis if she allows it inside her from the wrong man. Or with the wrong "thoughts" in her head! LOL. This is the land where the whole "trafficking" myth originated and I'm surprised that Europeans are following our sorry lead on this.
How many chicks working at WalMart have a mean old boyfriend or husband who forces them to work at WalMart and then spends all the money they make there? Yet. No one complains about these "WalMart Pimps".
Is a 17 year old kid who joins the USA Military and gets killed the next year in Afghanistan a "trafficked" individual? Is his fate as dire as that of a hookers? No. His is MUCH worse.
In California, they have a new proposition (PROP 35) which seeks to ban "sexual slavery". Wow. Really? And here I thought such slavery was already banned? Silly me. Not only that. But basically any prostitute can now be classified as a "trafficked sex slave".
All trafficking is women moving across borders. Sometimes legally, sometimes illegally. For the purpose of making money. There is nothing wrong with this.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1316819]Though when she saw me she smiled and everythingi could tell it was fake and then I noticed she has a swollen eye a dn swollen cheek which was concelaed using heavy powder. You could tell either she hit something or someone hit her but I doubt it was her hitting something as it was at 2 different location. I had a feeling she was beaten. I didn't session with her and I really did feel sick to see that. I mean she has to put up with kissing old ugly men doing allsors of things and at the end of the day some stupic young blardy idiot takes her money. If anywaone could share how to spot an independant girl please do share[/QUOTE]You're making a lot of assumptions here. Someone obviously hit her but is that grounds to conclude that she is a sex slave who's abused by a pimp?
Maybe she had a run-in with another girl at the club who hit her with something? Maybe someone mugged her on the train? Maybe she was abused by a customer? Maybe she has an abusive boyfriend?
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1316819]Optimist could you please share how do your scour for those independant and those who have pimps? How can you tell (eventhough it may NOT be fullproof but if it could help please share).[/QUOTE]Why not ask the girl?
[QUOTE=Batou75;1316591]There seems to be two kinds of girls in these clubs, the ones who are independent and strong and do this for themselves because they want the fast money, to buy designer clothes and jewelry etc. And the ones with pimps. The strong independent ones basically say the girls with pimps are stupid and weak and it's their own fault and do not feel any guilt for them, because no matter what they tell them, they would not listen and always go back to their "boyfriends". So they just stop caring about them.[/QUOTE]This is the important thing to remember here. I'm really unaware of any "sex slave cartels" out there. Sure. There may be some organizations that help girls get papers and transportation across borders and demand a payment for that service. Perhaps even punitive rates for such a service. But I believe most "pimps" are simply abusive boyfriends that take advantage of women. I imagine those girls have sex with those abusive boyfriends and I imagine it's not very pleasant for them. If you're a nice guy. How could having sex with you be worse than that?
Personally, I would not have paid for a two-hour session without sex. I think that girl probably worked you.
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1316842]This is the important thing to remember here. I'm really unaware of any "sex slave cartels" out there. Sure. There may be some organizations that help girls get papers and transportation across borders and demand a payment for that service. Perhaps even punitive rates for such a service. But I believe most "pimps" are simply abusive boyfriends that take advantage of women. I imagine those girls have sex with those abusive boyfriends and I imagine it's not very pleasant for them. If you're a nice guy. How could having sex with you be worse than that?
Personally, I would not have paid for a two-hour session without sex. I think that girl probably worked you.[/QUOTE]Of cause this is busness. Each girl makes 200000 one year. The pimps make the girls love them first, only later hit them. The girls become working girls, their heads are fucked so they become clever only for the work. This is the life and the working girls are big liers believe nothing. One guy asks how you know girl has pimp, good service kissing these things mean she has pimp and must work hard. Germany becomes slowly one center for this work and everyone knows for this from many countries. Just enjoy sex from these women nothing more.
[QUOTE=London Traveller;1316840]Why not ask the girl?[/QUOTE]Great advice! Awesome. Thanks!
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1316837]You're making a lot of assumptions here. Someone obviously hit her but is that grounds to conclude that she is a sex slave who's abused by a pimp?
Maybe she had a run-in with another girl at the club who hit her with something? Maybe someone mugged her on the train? Maybe she was abused by a customer? Maybe she has an abusive boyfriend?[/QUOTE]Well yeah I agreed with the assumption part but really it does bothers me about the black Saturday thingy. I was under the impression they are there to make quick money well at first anyway.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1316842]I'm really unaware of any "sex slave cartels" out there.[/QUOTE]Which doesn't mean they don't exist. You are too optimistic, let me tell you.
HB
[QUOTE=Arctic;1316842]Personally, I would not have paid for a two-hour session without sex. I think that girl probably worked you.[/QUOTE]Maybe she did. But I would rather be the guy that got scamed, then the stone cold guy that would have sex with her anyway. But in heinsight I should have broken off the session mutch sooner. But my brain stopped working I did not know what to do or how to handle the situation.
[QUOTE=KPete; 1305557]I will be in Frankfurt for a short period in September, and it so happens that one of my available days will be Saturday. 15 September, the last evening of the large Automechanika messe. Having read past reports, I am familiar with some of the trade-offs involved with going to Oase, Palace, Mainhattan, or World during that particular messe.
From what I have read, Oase, Mainhattan, and Palace will all likely be packed with girls before 10 pm, so any would be good choices for going early. World may be a little depleted with girls heading to other clubs closer to the city (the above, plus Sharks) to get in on the messe action. But later in the evening, Oase, Mainhattan, and Palace will likely be flooded with men. Based on what I have read, this sounds pretty awful: some men walking around fully clothed, girls in full-on processor mode, overcrowded public areas, etc. Some of these clubs may be better at dealing with the influx of men (sounds like Mainhattan may be better than Oase in this regard?).
My question is this: If you had to choose a club in which to spend that evening, which would you choose and why? I would be particularly grateful to hear from local or senior members or others who have experience visiting clubs during this particular messe. I wasn't planning to rent a car, but if people strongly suggest that World is the way to go, I would consider trying to get access to one.
Thanks[/QUOTE]I am going to be there on 14, 15 and 16, I will have a car too, I was thinking of going to a partytreff if you're interested?
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1316878]Which doesn't mean they don't exist. You are too optimistic, let me tell you.
HB[/QUOTE]As a matter of fact I've done a lot of research on this issue. I know that the USA Department of State is all over the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] issue as well as the United Nations and if there are all these sex slave cartels. Where are they? Why hasn't a single one been found? Doesn't mean that they don't exist. You're right about that. But it's a good indication that they are much more rare than the trafficking propaganda would have you believe.
[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] is BIG BUSINESS for law enforcement. Here in the USA for example, it's a beautiful way for state and local police departments to pull money out of the federal government. More tax dollars down the drain and who's going to complain about spending money to combat "slavery"? Beautiful racket it is.
In fact. In Indianapolis, for the Super Bowl. They predicted tens of thousands of sex slaves. Yet I can only find they made arrests for two women.
[url]http://www.theindychannel.com/news/30371575/detail.html[/url]
[QUOTE]Once authorities determined that the women were part of a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] operation, their status shifted from suspect to victim, RTV6's Jack Rinehart reported.[/QUOTE]So of course. Two women are arrested and told that if they admit they are victims of "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]" then they will receive victim status. Otherwise, they receive criminal status and go to jail. Not too surprising what they'd select.
Again, HB. Not saying that some women are "pushed" into prostitution. But then again, aren't some women "pushed" into becoming a WalMart check-out girl? Aren't some people "pushed" to join the military? Bengali men are certainly "pushed" to become laborers in rich Arab nations. But they are earning a better paycheck than what they'd receive in Bangla Desh.
When I get in a cab in Dubai. I don't ask the taxi driver if he's had a hard life and feels pressured to drive me. I don't think twice about the WalMart check-out girl's abusive husband who takes all her money. What we're talking about here isn't a symptom of prostitution. It's a symptom of the sad state of human affairs all around.
[quote=batou75; 1316591][. ]
the bad.
one girl told me the story about black saturday. this is how some girls are broken in to this business, mostly the forced and trafficked girls. to learn how always to smile and treat customers right, the pimp ties up the girl, and then lets some guys have repeated sex with her over 24 hours, vaginal and anal, and she has to smile the whole time or they beat her. the girl gets no break no food no water just 24 hours of constant forced sex. the girls commonly has black marks or bruises on her lower back after this, hence the term black saturday.
this story fucked me up bad and it took me several days to get it out of my head, if this is even half true. it shows how bad this business is and what some girls have to endure to give "us" our pleasure.
the forced girl.
this exotic looking girl who spoke very little english intrigued me. so i took her to the room. i started in my normal manner, just talking and gently touching her body. trying to get a feel for her. as her english was bad, this took a little while, but she was a sweet girl so i did not mind. but then she dropped a bomb on me, she basically told me she was there against her will, her "boyfriend" forced her to work there. she was a born and raised in germany, but her parents was deeply religious immigrants. so the boyfriend threatened her with telling the parents that she no longer was a virgin and she partied and was drinking alcohol. she told me her father would kill or banish her, if they would find out about her. and the only good thing left in her shitty life was her family, so she would do anything not to loose that. so going to the police was out of the question for her. this is a culture i cannot understand or will ever want to understand, but the girl loved her family so much that she would rather work in forced prostitution then losing them. her hope was that her "boyfriend" would find someone new and prettier in one to two years time and would then let her go. she told me she was taking anti depressants to cope. and if she had one great day among two bad ones she would be ok. she told me this because i was very nice to her and not the standard german customer. she feared that the if she told the this to a german customer or the club management or another girl in the club, they would contact the police and parents would find out about it. she swore me to secrecy and told me she felt a great relief being able to talk to somebody about this. either she was a oscar class actress and completely played me into paying her for two hours of her time with no sex. or she was for real, i could see her fighting the tears several times.
and when i told her there where no way i could have sex with her after this, she got real scared. turns out this particular club is really fuzzy about reputation and keeps scoreboards for the girls. so she was real worried that i would come out of the room not looking satisfied and tell the management that she gave a bad performance and should be kicked out from the club, she told me the boss could see it on my face if i did not get great sex, so she practically begged me to have sex with her. but i could not, i just keeps up the act the rest of the day always smiling when i saw her, and she was always kissing me etc.
what a total mind fuck this was for me, what should i do, i felt i had to do something, but she begged me not to. i left the room with serious self doubt and was depressed. was i a good person for coming to places like this? was i coward for not doing something? what can i do? should i tell the management etc.
the irony of the whole thing was my reaction, the way i chose to cope with this. i basically went and had sex with another girl to feel better and then told her about the whole story without revealing the other girls name, to get it out of my system. she then told me this was a common story among fkk girls, in fact it had happened to her also, but she had broken free from her "boyfriend" and worked now 100% independently, and was "happy" with that.
after talking to allot of girls, i learned allot of things. girls says that regular health checks are not mandatory in most clubs, and some girls choose not to take them. especially the girls with "boyfriends" taking all their money, so they can't afford tests. some clubs are runned by the mafia. many girls have outside pimps / boyfriends and the clubs basically do not care, or can't care because if they get involved in the selling of sex part they get charged with pimping. they just provide the facilities where the guys and girls pay the same entrance fee to use them.
there seems to be two kinds of girls in these clubs, the ones who are independent and strong and do this for themselves because they want the fast money, to buy designer clothes and jewelry etc. and the ones with pimps. the strong independent ones basically say the girls with pimps are stupid and weak and it's their own fault and do not feel any guilt for them, because no matter what they tell them, they would not listen and always go back to their "boyfriends". so they just stop caring about them.
how do you, guys handle the bad side of prostitution, i am basically in bliss when i am with the girls, but the day after i get self doubt and feel badly about it. how do you cope, how do you rationalize it. how can some guys buy sex from drug addicts for 20 euro, and be fine with that and believing its consensual sex. how can guys treat the girls like they are nothing, a product to be used and thrown away, and go home with a clean consciousness. and the you got a whole new subject about wives / girlfriends / children that some of you have to think of. that i don't have to.
i personally have tried to only to buy sex from independent woman, who choose this line of work from themselves. to keep my conscious clean, and as you can read i have failed. and have a hard time with that, still the sweetness of the bliss i experience pulls me, so i really doubt i can stop now, i really have opened a can of worms for myself. thank the norse gods there is no fkk in norway or i would been broke within six months.
there is a lot i have left out, it would simply be to long a post otherwise.
*disclaimer, all information in this post is my personal observations and / or hearsay, and should be treated as sutch.[/quote]i have personally seen or know from good friends clear slavery issues in various countries, over 10 years ago when i was more active. there also is lots of hearsay about this in germany.
unfortunately, all the sex trafficking fighters in reality fight prostitution in its entirety. it is very unusual to see institutions that actively promote legal free prostitution and fight the forced involuntary part of it.
talent visas for prostitutes would be helpful, but just mentioning this in today's feminist climate is a joke. will never happen.
the opposite side of the coin is rarely mentioned, too. the suffering of 40 year old virgin men who never get laid.
or how free prostitution tends to turn into scamming prostitutes. i have seen many places ruined by girls figuring out that they can get easier money by scamming then by actually providing services. in my experience, girls that are pressured. be it by criminal violent pimps or just by agencies who enforce standards- tend to give better service, are less prone to scam, rob or steal. yes, i know this is sad.
as an extreme example, in a recent raid on a tourist rip-off bar in brazil police found date [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] drugs with seven girls. these drugs are used to knock out dumb tourists and then totally clean out their apartment.
recently, in germany, i saw my share of m. slim girls fleeing murderous family hiding in fkk. these were the nicest gfe girls. of course, the fault does not lie with the fkk but with religion and culture and family. the fkk is their salvation, not the cause of their suffering.
i wish i had more time, i could elaborate further on the issues.
if anyone is interested in discussing this, please send me private messages. batou75, send me a pm with your contact details. would love to exchange some experiences and ideas.
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1316834]Almost 99% of the population of the planet is "FORCED" to work to survive. Here in the USA. We have WalMart. There are some hot chicks (not many but some) who work for WalMart 40 to 60 hours a week and they make minimum wage. They could make much more in a German FKK in one summer and then could fly home and attend college the rest of the year. They won't do this but. Is that the fault of all those Romanian beauties who do?
They won't do this because, of course, Americans are "freaked out" by prostitution and anything sexual in general. Here in America, a woman can be RUINED. RUINED I TELL YOU. By a penis if she allows it inside her from the wrong man. Or with the wrong "thoughts" in her head! LOL. This is the land where the whole "trafficking" myth originated and I'm surprised that Europeans are following our sorry lead on this.
How many chicks working at WalMart have a mean old boyfriend or husband who forces them to work at WalMart and then spends all the money they make there? Yet. No one complains about these "WalMart Pimps".
Is a 17 year old kid who joins the USA Military and gets killed the next year in Afghanistan a "trafficked" individual? Is his fate as dire as that of a hookers? No. His is MUCH worse.
In California, they have a new proposition (PROP 35) which seeks to ban "sexual slavery". Wow. Really? And here I thought such slavery was already banned? Silly me. Not only that. But basically any prostitute can now be classified as a "trafficked sex slave".
All trafficking is women moving across borders. Sometimes legally, sometimes illegally. For the purpose of making money. There is nothing wrong with this.[/QUOTE]Great comment. Most of the trafficking stories are pure invention by people who don't care about trafficking or women's well being, care only about repressing sexual outlets for men. And as you said, they care even less about men's well being in armies or unhealthy work places.
I recommend everyone to read [url]www.theantifeminist.com[/url]
But sex slavery does exist, everywhere. Usually caused by restrictive immigration laws, religious repression, and anti-prostitution laws. Or due to criminal mafia-like institutions, or simply submissive tendencies in women.
And it could be reduced by promoting legal, free prostitution and voluntary help to the professionals (or amateurs) in the field.
There's a lot of grey and not so much black and white. I've seen a lot of girls in over 12 years of mongering in Germany. I wouldn't compare paysex with any "normal" job, at least not for Germany. US may be different.
HB
So your making another trip to Germany to check out all that the country has to offer, mainly the fkk clubs. Do you mention your travel plans to friends and family? If so, what is their reaction? I've heard everything from 'why Germany, why not Ireland etc'. Whats funny is guys will comment "you should go to Amsterdam, once in your life you have to experience that'. They have no clue what's available in Germany, that in itself is a huge plus in my opinion. This is a question more towards the USA travelor. Do you tell your friend dropping you off at the airport that your going to fuck your way thru Germany?
I've got some friends who make trips down to Costa Rica and Rio, the first destination in my mind really raises red flags. Rio on the other hand might not get scrutinized as much with the beach scene being so widely known.
What do you mean?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1317053]fuck your way thru Germany?[/QUOTE]Business, businesses, strictly business, business only, nothing but business. Are there some brothels in Germany? Maybe, but I newer heard about them.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1317045]There's a lot of grey and not so much black and white. I've seen a lot of girls in over 12 years of mongering in Germany. I wouldn't compare paysex with any "normal" job, at least not for Germany. US may be different.
HB[/QUOTE]I certainly value your opinions since you are so experienced in this field. Myself, I'll be at OASE from 1-3 September for my first FKK experience. In reality. All of my mongering experience (personally) consists of independent escorts and usually high class expensive ones. All of those women I've taken for a minimum of a full day and many times two days. So I have ample opportunity to "feel out" what their motivation for paysex is. Universally with those women I found that money was their number one motivation. In a few, they also liked the sex and enjoyed the "ego boost" of paid sex.
Hopefully my Fkk experience doesn't change this.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1317053]This is a question more towards the USA travelor. Do you tell your friend dropping you off at the airport that your going to fuck your way thru Germany?[/QUOTE]The people who don't have to know my whereabouts, I don't tell them. I'll stop in Germany "in-route" to another destination in Europe for business.
The people who HAVE TO KNOW where I'm at, at all times, I told them "Germany" in order to tour WWII historic sights.
I pay everything in cash. Including rental car and hotel. If I have to communicate. I use SKYPE and with SKYPE. You can tell people you are anywhere in the world besides the place you actually are. I also disable location services on my Iphone.
EDIT: There is only one person in the world I actually share the adventures with - and that is a retired escort in the states who collects research on such things for her writings. She also advises me on how to stay safe and how to deal with escorts and spots scams, gives me condom advice, etc.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1317129]Hopefully my Fkk experience doesn't change this.[/QUOTE]I don't think it will, if you only have a short snapshot of the FKK-scene. If you get to know the girls better, that'll change. And maybe open you eyes.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1316781]There's quite a lot of discussion going on in Germany if the legalization of prostitution did any good to the working girls. Or just to the folks running clubs, brothels etc.
HB[/QUOTE]From talking to Germans that I meet in FKK, I get impression that German society decided that sex is private issue of its citizens and state should not get involved unless child prostitution, trafficking, pimping, taxing is involved to the extent that is possible to control.
Is this debate main street issue that many people are concerned about it or is it more fringe type NGO and other groups who try to justify their existence and their pay checks at the taxpayer expense?
Do you see danger that this type of debate can escalate to the prohibition of the prostitution and emulation of sex prison USA? Man, if that happens I cannot imagine what us, the poor ISG souls, would do with our dependence (if not addiction) to this wonderful vice. Germany is our sanctuary.
there is a huge amount of injustice toward women in the world. ever since the first caveman dragged a women back to his cave for comfort and labor, the inequality has existed. the only reason for guilt is because of the false idea that we can actually do something about it. the ugly truth is the vast majority of women sex victims occur in times of war and genocide (think about the comfort women the japanese exploited in wwii). poverty is also a major contributor. in many areas of the world, girls are sold by their parents into the sex market or to old suitors. is there really a difference between a trafficed woman and a girl that is sold to an uncaring man who beats and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord124][CodeWord124][/url] her ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] is used loosely since in those countries a wife is obligated to server her husband)? why do we not cry about those women?
[QUOTE=Akibono;1317215]Why do we not cry about those women?[/QUOTE]Because this is a paysex board?
[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1317193]From talking to Germans that I meet in FKK, I get impression that German society decided that sex is private issue of its citizens and state should not get involved unless child prostitution, trafficking, pimping, taxing is involved to the extent that is possible to control.
Do you see danger that this type of debate can escalate to the prohibition of the prostitution[/QUOTE]The idea was to make prostitution a job like every other job. That might work for GERMAN women (not given the still existing social stigma). But not for women coming to Germany for economical reasons or being trafficked / pimped.
The circumstances, under which the women are now working, are far better than they would be with illegal prostitution, it's open, in the public, legal. It's allowed to provide rooms and security and medical checks for women.
There have been discussions about prohibition of prostitution. I don't think it's going to happen.
HB
I came to Palace about before the evening shift of new girls arrived, and I got to witness an interesting scene. A nice Mercedes AMG model parked outside (where you see the taxis normally) and inside it I get a glimpse of two tattooed gorillas. One EE girl exits the car and goes to the club entrance as I walk in the same direction. And if that was not enough. Another car, a BMW parks close by and a new girl exits one of the rear doors. Inside it are two other muscle guys. Are these the BF,"managers" or pimps? Whatever you call them. I don't we need to be naive about it. Surely being a pimp must be a wonderful occupation.
This you see at all clubs. Once I was waiting for my cab after closing time in World and was privileged to see a whole parade of Beemers, Mercs and Audi's drive onto the driveway (the previously empty parking, was suddenly full). Not long afterwards. As my cabbie was making a U-turn) , about half the evenings line up walked up to their 'ride'.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1317053]This is a question more towards the USA travelor. Do you tell your friend dropping you off at the airport that your going to fuck your way thru Germany?[/QUOTE]I was honest the first few times and told friends I was going to Germany. Then after the third or fourth trip, the questions started of why go to the same place over and over again? They didn't understand that by walking into clubs, I was also visiting Romania, Hungary, Poland, and lots of other Eastern European locales. So I've just started lying. For my next trip, I've told them I'm headed to Syria. Of course they know it's a lie and I tell them tongue in cheek but they get the clue to stay out of my business. And thankfully my job doesn't require any checking in once my vacation time begins.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1317310]Are these the BF,"managers" or pimps? Whatever you call them. I don't we need to be naive about it. Surely being a pimp must be a wonderful occupation.[/QUOTE]Thankfully, they were just the transportation and then they take off. Had horrible situations here in the US where a stripper's husband, BF, pimp would sit in the back of the room and watch every movement and conversation their girl would have and in some instances, confront customers.
Of course, FKK clubs couldn't allow such things to happen? Have you ever heard of girls dating or sleeping with management off the books? I remember the show about the Bunny Ranch in Vegas and the owner had obviously slept with most of the workers and would give opinions about their habits.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1312859]Hi all mohab here name changed. Very simply I would like to know where you all would recommend going on either the Monday night or Tuesday all day on the day that automechanika starts.[/QUOTE]If you're still interested in going to Mainhattan at Tuesday Sep. 11, then there's a chance that we'll finally meet. I can't PM your new profile, but I would probably try to hit Mainhattan at around 5 PM, or as soon as I'm finished at the Messe. Mainhattan is better than ever BTW! I had more fun there than in Oase and Palace this week.
Reports on Mainhattan on German boards are talking about few girls and mixed service levels.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1317820]Reports on Mainhattan on German boards are talking about few girls and mixed service levels.
HB[/QUOTE]I don't care much for reports on a board, when I've been there myself! There were not many girls there, but the service level among those I went with was ranging from good to very good. It's not all about quantity, but more about quality. Why don't you go and give us a decent report HB?
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1317219]Because this is a paysex board?
The idea was to make prostitution a job like every other job. That might work for GERMAN women (not given the still existing social stigma). But not for women coming to Germany for economical reasons or being trafficked / pimped.
The circumstances, under which the women are now working, are far better than they would be with illegal prostitution, it's open, in the public, legal. It's allowed to provide rooms and security and medical checks for women.
There have been discussions about prohibition of prostitution. I don't think it's going to happen.
HB[/QUOTE]This is a pay sex board please move this comments to morality of prostitution section.
[QUOTE=Akibono;1317215]There is a huge amount of injustice toward women in the world.[/QUOTE]There is a Gigantic amount of injustice toward men in the USA but I think this forum is about having sex in FKK clubs.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1318005]Why don't you go and give us a decent report HB?[/QUOTE]Because I know some of the guys reporting on Mainhattan personally and I can rely on their opinion. And there's so much pussy at Sharks, Oase, World. Why go to Mainhattan? Since the FKK2 card is not available anymore I didn't go.
HB
I will be in mainhatten on 11th September from 11am to 630pm then straight off to the airport for my flight home. Can you get there any earlier that day? Also do you have any plans for the previous week?
Nice one mo
Hello guys (and girls)
Are there any FKK clubs in or around Berlin, other than Artemis?
I will be in Berlin around the IFA-fair so I'm sure that Artemis will be stuffed (no pun intended). So I'm looking for any alternative to the great A.
Thanks in advance,
Mtech
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1318526]I will be in mainhatten on 11th September from 11am to 630pm then straight off to the airport for my flight home. Can you get there any earlier that day? Also do you have any plans for the previous week?
Nice one mo[/QUOTE]Mohab, will have to see if that would be possible. I'll be at the messe with 5 collegues, but I might be able to escape around 3 PM. Since I can't PM you, could we make the jacuzzi our meeting point, at about 4 PM? I took a cab from Mainhattan to the airport last time so count about 40 euros for the cab ride. Oh, and that's my first day at the messe so I won't be in FRA before 11.sep
[QUOTE=MTech;1318541]will be in Berlin around the IFA-fair so I'm sure that Artemis will be stuffed (no pun intended). So I'm looking for any alternative to the great A.[/QUOTE]Sorry to say no other FKK in Berlin, and you are right, the IFA does swell the Artemis crowds. Artemis is still manageable though if you go earlier in the day, as RB points out in the Artemis thread recently.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2588-FKK-Artemis-Berlin&p=1318519&viewfull=1#post1318519[/url]
There are also plenty of other venues in Berlin such as bordellos and some sleazier GB clubs etc. Have look on the Berlin thread where there is plenty of info or on my Blog which details all such Berlin action.
[url]http://www.angusmagee.com/[/url]
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1318882]Sorry to say no other FKK in Berlin[/QUOTE]Thanks for the reply Angus, was just hoping for a lost gem. Wishful thinking I guess!
Mtech
Thats fine 4pm jacuzzi. Look forward to finally meeting a fellow ISG'er. If I'm tied up with a hunny and a little late just hang on I will for sure be in the club! I'm banking on mainhatten as I've never been there and its close proximity to frank. Intl. Do you think I can expect ahigher than usual girl lineup with regards to numbers and attractiveness levels during the day due to automechanika? I will subscribe sooner than later for pming etc probably when I return.
See you soon and thanks.
[QUOTE=MTech; 1318541]Hello guys (and girls)
Are there any FKK clubs in or around Berlin, other than Artemis?
I will be in Berlin around the IFA-fair so I'm sure that Artemis will be stuffed (no pun intended). So I'm looking for any alternative to the great A.
Thanks in advance,
Mtech[/QUOTE]90% of people in Berlin for Messe, have dinner with customers or suppliers or friends. Before 10 pm the club should be only crowded, but from 10 pm will be a big problem.
Happened to me times ago in Koln, during messe time. I went in a club (PHG) after dinner with some friends, and there were any girl available, all busy.
Artemis its about 400% bigger than PHG, but in Koln area there are almost 5 good FKK. 5 decent, but a lot of different alternatives. If you can, when you'll leave the fair,
Go straight to the club. Shower directly there and you'd have at least 2 session before the club explode.
Have fun.
Does oktoberfest affect the nrw region fkk's? More guys? Girls going to Munich to work?
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager; 1318931]Thats fine 4pm jacuzzi. Look forward to finally meeting a fellow ISG'er. If I'm tied up with a hunny and a little late just hang on I will for sure be in the club! I'm banking on mainhatten as I've never been there and its close proximity to frank. Intl. Do you think I can expect ahigher than usual girl lineup with regards to numbers and attractiveness levels during the day due to automechanika? I will subscribe sooner than later for pming etc probably when I return.
See you soon and thanks.[/QUOTE]That goes for you as well, I might not be there exactly at 4 PM due to different reasons, but the jacuzzi is a great place to stay when you want to relax from the birds LOL. I would expect a stronger line-up than usual, as many girls will come from other areas / clubs towards Mainhattan / Palace. Automechanika closes for audience at around 6 PM, so before this time it should be relatively calm (for men).
If I don't turn up within 4:20 PM, then enjoy yourself, as I could always be hung up (even if I try my best not to). C ya!
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1319130]Does oktoberfest affect the nrw region fkk's? More guys? Girls going to Munich to work?[/QUOTE]Octoberfest does not really affect clubs or girls migration pattern regardless of geographic location.
I was approached by a girl, name remains unknown and I won't reveal at what club. You can PM me for details if you wonder. She said that she didn't approve of me writing reports on the "Internet" about her. I was a bit stunned as this has never happened to me. And I was equally a bit surprised, because this girl had only been given favourable reviews from my part, but I guessed she didn't like that her interaction with me should be sketched into history at ISG. To be honest I don't understand why she was concerned about it, as reports fade quickly away at ISG. In any way I felt a bit bad about the situation, and even if she wasn't angry with me, she had pinpointed me as a 'snitch' as she knew that certain details was known only to me. Details that I had revealed on the forum. I instantly felt a bit reluctant to report due to this reason, but what's your view about it? Maybe I just realised why certain veterans on the board rarely or never report any more? So if you wondered: girls do read ISG and other sites for that matter. So my advice is to be aware when you write details. I mean this probably don't mean so much for our American friends that get to an FKK once or twice a year, but for guys like me that can literally be here every month or so, it could be a challenge.
I will probably not go into too much details about this specific situation, but feel free to give your thoughts or even PM me if it's called for more privacy.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1319486]I will probably not go into too much details about this specific situation, but feel free to give your thoughts or even PM me if it's called for more privacy.[/QUOTE]I had a similar situation a while back at Artemis with one of my favorite girls. She asked me and I did not deny writing reports though we did have a difference in that I felt the reports about which she was really upset were not mine. I mean I have written about her but a long time ago and with out a whole lot of detail.
I did not dismiss her concerns though and we talked for some time about it. What I ended up understanding (and I am sure some guys will label this as BS coming from "just a wh*re") was that she did feel a certain type of intimacy with me and regarded what we did in the room as private. That she does the same or similar in the room with many other was beside the point to her. She said that she expected more or less the same discretion that I would give any other woman.
In the end I promised her that I would no longer divulge and details (a moot point as after the first review I rarely do anyway) and she agreed that my mentioning her as a good session was ok. That is where it stands, I still do session from time to time with her and when appropriate mention her as one of my favorites at Artemis. I also am a whole lot more careful with giving any graphic details in general. This just feels better to me.
No doubt some guys might disagree with this and some guys will continue in the Penthouse Forum style of review. That is up to them and I have no problem with it, though I do tend to skim those reviews unless very well written. For me one can very easily say that the session was good, the girl present and responsive, without giving a gynecological play by play.
AM
Hi,
Some months since I visited FKK Living Room in Kaarst. I have always enjoyed my stays there. The girls have mostly been great. Not a great lineup like Oase and Palace, but always good. Service have most of the times been good, and CIM or CIF is only 25 euro extra. The sofa area is nice and I like bringing a girl there and talk to her while deciding if I will go for a session or not. The facilities downstairs are also good, and I like relaxing in the jacuzzi in between the sessions.
Not so many posts about this place recently. Is the place still going strong?
I will probably go to Frankfurt for three days in September or October, and not sure if it is worth the hassle of going to Kaarst and spend 1 day at LR?
Cheers.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1319486]I was approached by a girl, name remains unknown and I won't reveal at what club. You can PM me for details if you wonder. She said that she didn't approve of me writing reports on the "Internet" about her. I was a bit stunned as this has never happened to me. And I was equally a bit surprised, because this girl had only been given favourable reviews from my part, but I guessed she didn't like that her interaction with me should be sketched into history at ISG. To be honest I don't understand why she was concerned about it, as reports fade quickly away at ISG. In any way I felt a bit bad about the situation, and even if she wasn't angry with me, she had pinpointed me as a 'snitch' as she knew that certain details was known only to me. Details that I had revealed on the forum. I instantly felt a bit reluctant to report due to this reason, but what's your view about it?[/QUOTE]It's hard to tell without you posting who it was and what exactly she was upset about. You know. If she told you, for instance, that she had a very bad childhood and was beaten by her father. Then I don't think you should post it. Very personal details like that. I wouldn't post. Sometimes a working girl will open up and tell you very personal details about herself or her private life. That you shouldn't post in my opinion.
Other than that. It's good to remember that most of these girls ARE NOT using their real name anyway (or rather. They're idiots if they are). So there's no way you can violate their actual "privacy" here when you just reveal the details of the sexual encounter. It's hard for me to get upset about a working girl who's outraged about someone posting details under an assumed name that she happens to use.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1319490]I did not dismiss her concerns though and we talked for some time about it. What I ended up understanding (and I am sure some guys will label this as BS coming from "just a wh*re") was that she did feel a certain type of intimacy with me and regarded what we did in the room as private. That she does the same or similar in the room with many other was beside the point to her. She said that she expected more or less the same discretion that I would give any other woman.
AM[/QUOTE]Don't you think that the girls share intimate details about you with the other girls working in the club?"He seems to have a lot of cash and tipped me generously"."He cums real fast so get extras out of him"."He fucked me for 45 minutes and it wasn't fun and I got only 100 e's.". Etc.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1319518]Don't you think that the girls share intimate details about you with the other girls working in the club?"He seems to have a lot of cash and tipped me generously"."He cums real fast so get extras out of him"."He fucked me for 45 minutes and it wasn't fun and I got only 100 e's.". Etc.[/QUOTE]Perhaps they do. That is for them to do or not do as they see fit. I don't make decisions on my behaviour based on what others do but what I feel is right. As I say-I am sure many here will not agree with this as the girls are "just who*es". But It is also my prerogative to do as I feel.
AM
[QUOTE=Arctic;1319518]Don't you think that the girls share intimate details about you with the other girls working in the club?"[/QUOTE]More so for negative things warning their friends not to go with bad 'dates'.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1319517]It's hard to tell without you posting who it was and what exactly she was upset about.[/QUOTE]You are clearly missing the point here. It was nothing personal about her life, just things I said to her, that nobody else would know. It's really not relevant to know who she was or what it was. She was not outraged either, if your read the post. She just pointed out that she would not have things about her written on a forum. But I've moved past it, because even if the girls speak among themselves, there are so many clicks and gangs of girls. In the end, money talks!
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1319486]I was approached by a girl, name remains unknown and I won't reveal at what club. You can PM me for details if you wonder. She said that she didn't approve of me writing reports on the "Internet" about her. I was a bit stunned as this has never happened to me. And I was equally a bit surprised, because this girl had only been given favourable reviews from my part, but I guessed she didn't like that her interaction with me should be sketched into history at ISG. To be honest I don't understand why she was concerned about it, as reports fade quickly away at ISG. In any way I felt a bit bad about the situation, and even if she wasn't angry with me, she had pinpointed me as a 'snitch' as she knew that certain details was known only to me. Details that I had revealed on the forum. I instantly felt a bit reluctant to report due to this reason, but what's your view about it? Maybe I just realised why certain veterans on the board rarely or never report any more? So if you wondered: girls do read ISG and other sites for that matter. So my advice is to be aware when you write details. I mean this probably don't mean so much for our American friends that get to an FKK once or twice a year, but for guys like me that can literally be here every month or so, it could be a challenge.
I will probably not go into too much details about this specific situation, but feel free to give your thoughts or even PM me if it's called for more privacy.[/QUOTE]Hi Sucker17,
She was not upset with you. Only finding herself naive using her real name and you mentioned her birthday. No hard feelings. I think she is a great girl using another name now.
[QUOTE=Syzygies; 1319644]Unless you are in a big hurry, I would use public transport to most of these places, possibly with short taxi rides, leaving more Euros for the girls. Download "DB Navigator" App to your iphone or similar, for all the directions of how to get there. Unless I have a very cumbersome suitcase, or are running very late, I always use train to and from Frankfurt airport. Public transport option may well be limited between 12PM and 4AM. I do not attend at those times.
I guess I have more time available than those on a lightning visit to Frankfurt, but can understand the desire to absolutely maximise time at the FKK.
BTW, train station ticket machines do have English option.[/QUOTE]Say you have a three day layover, you add up public transportation and taxi rates and its almost identical to renting a car and the gas needed to drive said car around for those 3 days. You'll pay less if you only do Palace and Mainhattan but if you need to do Oase and World then a car is the only way to go. And how many here can say they travel all the way to Germany and then leave the clubs before 12pm? Not many.
Now if Oase and World were placed closer to train stations, public transportation would be more practical. As it is, taxi rates add up much faster than renting your own wheels.
[QUOTE=Sucker17;1319544]You are clearly missing the point here. It was nothing personal about her life, just things I said to her, that nobody else would know. It's really not relevant to know who she was or what it was. She was not outraged either, if your read the post. She just pointed out that she would not have things about her written on a forum. But I've moved past it, because even if the girls speak among themselves, there are so many clicks and gangs of girls. In the end, money talks![/QUOTE]Sounds like you have resolved the situation so I'm a bit amiss as to why you even asked for anyone else's opinion.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1319486]So my advice is to be aware when you write details. I mean this probably don't mean so much for our American friends that get to an FKK once or twice a year, but for guys like me that can literally be here every month or so, it could be a challenge.
I will probably not go into too much details about this specific situation, but feel free to give your thoughts or even PM me if it's called for more privacy.[/QUOTE]I don't think you take your own advice very well, mate. As you posted this in Palace forum yesterday just before you posted the above statement here.
[QUOTE=Sucker17; 1319485]Kelly. 28 years old, black from Senegal.
I was pretty certain I had read some favourable reports about Kelly before. She has her hair cut quite short and even though she's rumoured to speak French, it was not impressing. I tried to speak French with her, but she gave up after a while and wanted to continue in English. No problem, I wasn't there to discuss the new French president, Hollande anyway! She said she did all kind of extras and asked me if I wanted anal or CIM. I declined the offer, but said that I might want CIM, but it depends on the session, and that in that case I would let her know. So we found ourselves a room and the fun began. We did some DFK, but clearly this was not her speciality, so we made it short. Kelly like doing her BBBJ in a slow pace. This is not a problem for me, but I had to ask her to increase the pace a bit after a while. I guess it all depends on what each guy prefer? The big issue I had with Kelly was not her lack of good BJ skills, but her way of scamming customers. We ended up in a 69 at the end of our session, and while I had not had sex for about a week, I had the urge of coming, when she started applying oil and stroking my junior. She didn't suck the cock or anything, so I guessed I was safe when I realeased my load. What I didn't anticipate was that she quickly approached junior and mouthed the cum! I tried to give her 50 euros, but she told me I had CIMed. Excuse me, that was not what we had agreed upon. But technically speaking she was right and I didn't want to make a dispute about it. She knew I would be back within a couple of weeks, and could have made a good impression. Instead she maximised her profit by this instant CIM-scam.
Overall rating: 4/10.
Repeat: Hell no way![/QUOTE]I mean. That report there is very detailed and if "Kelly" reads it. She's going to know it came from you because of the "CIM" snafu that you were displeased with. By the way. I thought it was a HOT story so don't get me wrong on that.
I'm just wondering if you've decided to continue posting details or not?
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1319723][B]Say you have a [U]three day[/U] Layover, you add up public transportation and taxi rates and its almost identical to renting a car and the gas needed to drive said car around for those[U] 3 days[/U]. [/B]You'll pay less if you only do Palace and Mainhattan but if you need to do Oase and World then a car is the only way to go. And how many here can say they travel all the way to Germany and then leave the clubs before 12pm? Not many.
Now if Oase and World were placed closer to train stations, public transportation would be more practical. As it is, taxi rates add up much faster than renting your own wheels.[/QUOTE]This may be the case for the short term visitor, but what about longer stays, say[U] 8-10 days[/U]?
I've been looking into renting a motorcycle next trip. The principles are the same. I have to factor in daily charge for the vehicle + mileage charge after the free kilometers run out + the high cost of European fuel. I like to stay in a hotel, so parking is required. Being an infrequent visitor, I like to look at the scenery, but I'll have to pay attention to the road / signs / other drivers. Otherwise, I may have a prolonged headache (or worse!) from a European car accident / legal wrangling. Renting may work for short layovers, but for longer stays, no thanks, I prefer to buy my ticket, pay the cabbie & enjoy the view until I am safely enjoying the view in the club!
Just MHO.
Myr.
Drive Safely! ;)
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1319836]This may be the case for the short term visitor, but what about longer stays, say[U] 8-10 days[/U]?
I've been looking into renting a motorcycle next trip. The principles are the same. I have to factor in daily charge for the vehicle + mileage charge after the free kilometers run out + the high cost of European fuel. I like to stay in a hotel, so parking is required. Being an infrequent visitor, I like to look at the scenery, but I'll have to pay attention to the road / signs / other drivers. Otherwise, I may have a prolonged headache (or worse!) from a European car accident / legal wrangling. Renting may work for short layovers, but for longer stays, no thanks, I prefer to buy my ticket, pay the cabbie & enjoy the view until I am safely enjoying the view in the club!
Just MHO.
Myr.
Drive Safely! .[/QUOTE]Can't answer for a motorcycle but on my last trip, my car rental per day was around 18 euro's per day. Again M, the question is what costs more, not what you prefer to view on the way to the club. The argument S put forward was saving money for the girls, my argument is 20 euro's per day in most case's beats the time it takes using public transportation and the cost of the taxi's almost anytime except for visiting Palace and Mainhattan.
Arctic: When it comes to Kelly, I really hope she reads every word of it! And I have left out a lot of other details from my trip!
[QUOTE=Breadman;1319884]Can't answer for a motorcycle but on my last trip, my car rental per day was around 18 euro's per day. Again M, the question is what costs more, not what you prefer to view on the way to the club. The argument S put forward was saving money for the girls, my argument is 20 euro's per day in most case's beats the time it takes using public transportation and the cost of the taxi's almost anytime except for visiting Palace and Mainhattan.[/QUOTE]With which rental car company did you get such a low price?
I ususally rent from airport to airport to airport, but got never anything less than roughly 50 E per day. All icluded.
Thnaks
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1320043]With which rental car company did you get such a low price?
I ususally rent from airport to airport to airport, but got never anything less than roughly 50 E per day. All icluded.
Thnaks[/QUOTE]If you drop off a car at another airport your going to pay alot more than the standard rate. I'm a big fan of Avis, use their 'avis basic' rate which works out to 22 euro's per day if you rent for a week. I've used many different sites, easycar, orbitz, kemwel and holiday auto to name just a few. I always fly into and out of the same airport.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1320266]If you drop off a car at another airport your going to pay alot more than the standard rate. I'm a big fan of Avis, use their 'avis basic' rate which works out to 22 euro's per day if you rent for a week. I've used many different sites, easycar, orbitz, kemwel and holiday auto to name just a few. I always fly into and out of the same airport.[/QUOTE]I just rented a car from Avis based on B'man's advice and the rate was very good and it was very easy to reserve. We'll see how it goes on Saturday when I go to pick it up. But I don't anticipate any problems. I'm just very glad I read the forums and learned about the problems with Terstappen. Or whatever they're called. And stayed away from them!
Would someone please confirm that if you rent a car from Avis, would Avis force you to buy its own insurance? I mean. If my Master card covers insurance, would Avis accept it? I know that other companies like Budget or Dollar kind of play tricks and force you to buy insurance which is a ripped off and do NOT accept credit card insurance coverage.
How much would Avis charge you to add an additional driver? How does Avis compare to Sixt? I've never rented from Avis but thinking about it.
Thank you for your help.
[QUOTE=Investor; 1320429]Would someone please confirm that if you rent a car from Avis, would Avis force you to buy its own insurance? I mean. If my Master card covers insurance, would Avis accept it? I know that other companies like Budget or Dollar kind of play tricks and force you to buy insurance which is a ripped off and do NOT accept credit card insurance coverage.
How much would Avis charge you to add an additional driver? How does Avis compare to Sixt? I've never rented from Avis but thinking about it.
Thank you for your help.[/QUOTE]Investor,
I rented with Avis in Dusseldorf in Dec 2010 and Frankfurt in Feb 2011. I am a preferred customer so my preferences are set up to decline all insurance. I remember the question being posed as "Just to check, you don't want to purchase any insurance, correct?" I am covered by Visa plus I purchase a separate policy through Travel Guard for $9 a day. It's definitely cheaper than the $20-40 per day policies they offer.
I think the additional driver is a flat fee, around $25.
With both of those previous rentals in the winter period, the costs of Avis vs. Sixt was about $115 cheaper for Avis (strictly due to the winter tires). However, Sixt was $200 cheaper for a trip planned in September this time. The other reason went with Sixt was more optional car categories. You can really pinpoint what you want. Plus I read that cheaper rates can be found by reserving through the US site sixt. Com vs the German site sixt. De.
In December, Avis originally tried to put me in a minivan (I am a solo traveler) which I got them to switch to a Seat hatchback. In February, they put me in a Ford Ruga. Both times I had chosen their intermediate class.
Burma
Investor
I have never had any problems of any sort with Avis.
By the way. You mention there are problems with Budget or Dollar. There is a serious confusion on the trip advisor threads about this. The problems are with DOLLAR and THRIFTY, which are franchised out to Terstappen. They are horrific. Budget however is owned by Avis and I regularly use them with absolutely no problem.
Trouble free companies are Hertz, Avis, Budget, Europcar and Sixt in my experience.
Advantage provide very old cars but I have not had any dispute with them.
Dollar and Thrifty appear to use every possible trick in the book to get money off you. They offer very low prices but, in my experience, start asking for extras on insurance etc, and falsely allege damage, and make up repair costs far in excess of any actual repair (always assuming they carry out the claimed repairs). They have a whole host of complainants
Doubt its just a flat fee for a second driver, its usually a per day fee that will add up fast. And if your going to use your credit card's insurance, you might want to check with them on their coverage of a second driver.
Don't assume your credit card will give you coverage, google what their coverage will actually provide and what their limits are.
Avis's dot com website also states that you are locked into the euro quote no matter what the exchange rate fluctuations. But they also allow you to prepay for your car rental, wait till a nice drop and then prepay your car.
For Automatics and High end cars, I tend to use Europcar. Always give the best deal and I get to earm my Miles and Mores points too.
For example, my trip next week for a 6 day rental will cost me about 325 for a BMW 3 series / Merc C Class Automatic.
Using discount code 51385565. There's only a 15 sur-charge is you return the cars to a different location.
Hertz and Sixt are quoting me 500 for 6 days.
Remember to enter your address as Germany (use club or hotel address is suffice) and notice further savings.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1321095]Doubt its just a flat fee for a second driver, its usually a per day fee that will add up fast. And if your going to use your credit card's insurance, you might want to check with them on their coverage of a second driver.
Don't assume your credit card will give you coverage, google what their coverage will actually provide and what their limits are.
Avis's dot com website also states that you are locked into the euro quote no matter what the exchange rate fluctuations. But they also allow you to prepay for your car rental, wait till a nice drop and then prepay your car.[/QUOTE]
I've got a buddy who's interested in checking out both the clubs and visiting some WWII sites or museums, anybody have any information they can provide?
[QUOTE=Batou75; 1316591]One girl told me the story about Black Saturday. This is how some girls are broken in to this business, mostly the forced and trafficked girls. To learn how always to smile and treat customers right, the pimp ties up the girl, and then lets some guys have repeated sex with her over 24 hours, vaginal and anal, and she has to smile the whole time or they beat her. The girl gets no break no food no water just 24 hours of constant forced sex. The girls commonly has black marks or bruises on her lower back after this, hence the term Black Saturday.
This story fucked me up bad and it took me several days to get it out of my head, if this is even half true. It shows how bad this business is and what some girls have to endure to give "us" our pleasure.[/QUOTE]Your post messed me up a bit too.
I have chatted a bit with FKK women (to tell the truth I enjoy talking and looking more than actually doing it. And I guess they enjoy an easy 50 euros.) Nobody hinted at trafficking.
One, from Hungary (she said) at FKK Oase, said what more can a girl want. She has cheap accommodation, doesn't need to buy clothes, and does what she enjoys.
Another, again at Oase, from Italy (she said) but of African origin, said she comes for this business 3 months in a year. She seemed completely relaxed about it and, apparently, enjoyed it thoroughly (she's probably a great actress, but I'm fairly sure she didn't hate it. We had a great seesion).
Another, from Romania and at Palace, was a beautician by training and was saving to start a parlor. She looked a good bit older than most of the women there, and had an amply tattooed body and a rather small and wrinkled upper half. Nevertheless, there was something about her that made me go to a room with her, and I don't regret it. She, too, was doing this entirely out of choice and, she said, chooses the men carefully. She rejects the sort of "bullshit" that a lot of internet-porn-fed men want.
But one, from Romania and at Oase, did bother me. She was young (20 she said, probably truthfully). She did not seem very happy with this profession. We ended up mostly talking, though it finished with a hand job. She said the business is like a drug: she makes four times what she used to earlier (as a waiter) and it is impossible to say no to the money. She said it was entirely voluntary, and assuming she was telling the truth, what bothered me was that this business may pay her well, but only for another 10 years. And then what?
Anyway, I have only been to these places a couple of times and my experience is limited. It seemed to me that all the girls are there of their own accord; if pimping and violence happens behind the scenes, that would certainly bother me a lot.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1320997]Dollar and Thrifty appear to use every possible trick in the book to get money off you. They offer very low prices but, in my experience, start asking for extras on insurance etc, and falsely allege damage, and make up repair costs far in excess of any actual repair (always assuming they carry out the claimed repairs). They have a whole host of complainants[/QUOTE]Sounds like some of the 'sharks' in the clubs! HaHa!
If the Ladies get tired of working the clubs, maybe they could change careers & become car rental agents! LOL.
Myr.
I would add Enterprise as a good rental car option.
My understanding was that Gold cards cover vehicle damage but not liability. This is what I got when I called Amex. Are they wrong? Would love to save up to 15 euros per day on liability insurance.
[QUOTE=Myrmidon; 1321178]Sounds like some of the 'sharks' in the clubs! HaHa!
If the Ladies get tired of working the clubs, maybe they could change careers & become car rental agents! LOL.
Myr.[/QUOTE]There are quite a few similarities. Also, when you get a car, almost every company will try to upsell you various insurance deals, that none ever needs. Just politely decline. The big companies that were mentioned by Investor will not try to scam you though, and there are also many good local ones. I found the main difference between Avis and Sixt is simply that Sixt have many nice, big outlets at all the major transportation hubs, and that's why they're more expensive.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi; 1321206]I would add Enterprise as a good rental car option.
My understanding was that Gold cards cover vehicle damage but not liability. This is what I got when I called Amex. Are they wrong? Would love to save up to 15 euros per day on liability insurance.[/QUOTE]I recommend reading the T&Cs of your card Amex carefully. The usual Amex card only covers insurance for "USA operators" where the charges are denominated in US dollars. That is usually not the case for most German car rental agencies. In my experience, the car rental agencies reject the usual credit card rental car insurance for most credit cards. From the travel forums, I've read, there are only a couple of specific cards that the car rental agencies accept in lieu of requiring the CDW insurance. Even then, I read that you have to provide a letter issued from your card company and sometimes, the people at the counter won't even accept that.
I usually get the CDW with $0 excess coverage (I. E. In other words no deductible). It's a rather pricey option compared to getting the CDW with an 800 Euro or 1, 300 Euro deductible, but I just don't want to worry about it. At least this way, I can bring them back a smashed up car and it's their problem, not mine. Though, perhaps in the long run, I'm just wasting money on the CDW insurance?
I usually rent from Sixt and have had really good experiences with them, but I will probably start shopping around more given everyone's recommendations here. When I compared prices last year, they were the most affordable (other than Dollar / Thrifty who I avoid due to their bad reputation in Germany according to the Internet).
I am interested to try the tip about using a German address to get a further rate discount.
I am a little confused now. I planned to spend 2 nights in the Dus / koln area and had targeted GT et PHG from all the comments on this board.
They don't rate that high in your ranking.
I know this rating and some others given by others were kind of focusing on infrastructure but can you give me some advice on where to really go for a first time. The top three?
I am first interested current quality of lineup (now that vacations are over)
And quality of infrastructure and cleanliness right after of course.
So far I have been to
Palace : very happy about it.
Oase : good lineup but average facility.
Paradise : great facility but average lineup.
Sakura : good facility and below average lineup.
So basically I am looking for the higher end of the market if it exists in this area.
[QUOTE=Simex; 1305152]1. Acapulco (no competition) = Agree, Room 5 about 30 sq meters covered in mirrors from ceiling to walls. Reminds of the porn scence in American Psycho
2. Samya (way above than #3)
3. Villa Vertigo (from here and below the difference is not significant)
4. Golden Time, Vienna. Jacuzzi Rooms are v good.
5. World.
6. Golden Time, Bruggen. Cabin 15, outside is their best room.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Rhino Serious; 1321166]Your post messed me up a bit too.
I have chatted a bit with FKK women (to tell the truth I enjoy talking and looking more than actually doing it. And I guess they enjoy an easy 50 euros.) Nobody hinted at trafficking.
One, from Hungary (she said) at FKK Oase, said what more can a girl want. She has cheap accommodation, doesn't need to buy clothes, and does what she enjoys.
Another, again at Oase, from Italy (she said) but of African origin, said she comes for this business 3 months in a year. She seemed completely relaxed about it and, apparently, enjoyed it thoroughly (she's probably a great actress, but I'm fairly sure she didn't hate it. We had a great seesion).
Another, from Romania and at Palace, was a beautician by training and was saving to start a parlor. She looked a good bit older than most of the women there, and had an amply tattooed body and a rather small and wrinkled upper half. Nevertheless, there was something about her that made me go to a room with her, and I don't regret it. She, too, was doing this entirely out of choice and, she said, chooses the men carefully. She rejects the sort of "bullshit" that a lot of internet-porn-fed men want.
But one, from Romania and at Oase, did bother me. She was young (20 she said, probably truthfully). She did not seem very happy with this profession. We ended up mostly talking, though it finished with a hand job. She said the business is like a drug: she makes four times what she used to earlier (as a waiter) and it is impossible to say no to the money. She said it was entirely voluntary, and assuming she was telling the truth, what bothered me was that this business may pay her well, but only for another 10 years. And then what?
Anyway, I have only been to these places a couple of times and my experience is limited. It seemed to me that all the girls are there of their own accord; if pimping and violence happens behind the scenes, that would certainly bother me a lot.[/QUOTE]I used to think the same way. Until I chatted with a young Bulgarian girl, I think it was at Mainhattan, and casually asked her if she knew which job she would do when accepting coming to Germany. She just answered: "no". Does not mean she was coerced in the job or else, but shows that probably most of them end up in FKK by defaut, not choice.
Of course, a fair number are also there happily and for all the good reasons, but let us not be fooled.
[QUOTE=Rhino Serious;1321166]Anyway, I have only been to these places a couple of times and my experience is limited. It seemed to me that all the girls are there of their own accord; if pimping and violence happens behind the scenes, that would certainly bother me a lot.[/QUOTE]Sorry to bother you, but most of the EE girls are not there because they chose to. What do you think they tell a stranger, a customer? What do you want to hear from them? The truth? A big turn down, when you are there to have fun?
HB
I was in fkk world 2 days ago and was a bit disappointed although I was able to find a real stunner. I am wondering if one fkk has a better line up than the others at the moment?
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1321560]Sorry to bother you, but most of the EE girls are not there because they chose to. What do you think they tell a stranger, a customer? What do you want to hear from them? The truth? A big turn down, when you are there to have fun?
HB[/QUOTE]Where do you get your information then if you can't rely on what the girl says? I mean if you can't trust the girl when she says she's there voluntarily then how do you conclude with certainty she's being forced?
And no. I don't consider a poor economic situation to be a form of coercion. Since almost all of us are economically "forced" to work some way or other.
[QUOTE=Pacman2;1321561]I was in fkk world 2 days ago and was a bit disappointed although I was able to find a real stunner. I am wondering if one fkk has a better line up than the others at the moment?[/QUOTE]Don't forget that the line up at a given club might well be weak on a Tues, but strong on a Fri or Sat night.
Line ups at FKKs during August are fragile by definition, so you have to stack the deck a bit in your favour during these months esp by hitting them on prime-time days like weekends to ensure the best selection. Things will get better on the earlier days of the week very soon, now that September and major Messe events are soon to be upon us.
O
When you're around long enough you get information from girls you've know for years, you see certsin signs and you've heard some stories a dozen times.
Back to line-up at World: Wednesday was good for an August weekday. It's vacation time, both for girls and boys. Mondays are weak at World. Some girls come on Tuesday (lingerie day) and Wednesday (3for2). Then they take Thursday off to be ready for the weekend. Fridays amd Saturdays are full, disco like atmosphere, lots of young guys drinking their ass off for 65. Cheaper than any discotheque in Frankfurt.
HB
[quote=hessen bub; 1321662]when you're around long enough you get information from girls you've know for years, you see certsin signs and you've heard some stories a dozen times.
hb[/quote]like what kind of signs, hb? you keep saying that trafficking is a problem and you're absolutely sure it exists and, indeed. you've stated that most of the ee girls are forced (not there by choice). you've stated that "black saturdays" where girls are horrifically raped for 24 hours straight is "more common in the fkk's that most think". so what specific evidence do you have of this? you've done very good in indicting everyone else who's posted other views. but you have never backed up your own view.
i really don't understand how anyone who's as sure that this sex slavery exists so predominately in the fkk's can continue to patronize them. how do you resolve this with your own sense of morality?
the [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] scaremongers want your tax dollars to fight this imaginary problem. they label every woman who's crossed a border to work as a "trafficked individual" or "slave". anyone who transports such a woman (such as taxi drivers in new york city now) are labelled "traffickers" when most of them are simply aiding these women to move around by transporting them and / or arranging for legitimate or false working permits.
i have no doubt that there are some cases of forced sex slavery. but that is an extremely small worldwide problem.
any monger who believes all the myths of the usa state department with regards to sex trafficking. should not be engaged in this activity. it doesn't say much for you as a person to believe that these women are being exploited while at the same time you contribute to exploiting them. at the same time. though i do not believe the myths. i try to keep my eyes open to the possibility by looking for real evidence of it.
i haven't found any so hb, if you have some. please share it with us!
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy; 1321285]I recommend reading the T&Cs of your card Amex carefully. The usual Amex card only covers insurance for "USA operators" where the charges are denominated in US dollars. That is usually not the case for most German car rental agencies. In my experience, the car rental agencies reject the usual credit card rental car insurance for most credit cards. From the travel forums, I've read, there are only a couple of specific cards that the car rental agencies accept in lieu of requiring the CDW insurance. Even then, I read that you have to provide a letter issued from your card company and sometimes, the people at the counter won't even accept that.
I usually get the CDW with $0 excess coverage (I. E. In other words no deductible). It's a rather pricey option compared to getting the CDW with an 800 Euro or 1, 300 Euro deductible, but I just don't want to worry about it. At least this way, I can bring them back a smashed up car and it's their problem, not mine. Though, perhaps in the long run, I'm just wasting money on the CDW insurance?[/QUOTE]How many cars have you rented in Germany? I've probably rented upwards of 30 or more, not one ever game me problems with my credit card's insurance coverage on the rental car. Have you rented from Dollar or Thrifty in Germany? If so, that might be your problem.
Personally, I think your wasting your money but it is your money to waste.
atarctic: what kind of evidence are you expecting? signed confessions? video? audio tapes? pictures of pimps [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] or beating women? i don't have any. i will not mention any names of girls.
there's all stages from girls working in their own for themselves, girls working for their families or a friend or husband, girls working for pimps being beaten and and not seeing the money they make.
how can i go on clubbing? trying to respect the girls, not being an asshole and in rare cases helping girls. the sex industry won't vanish tomorrow if they loose me as a customer.
hb
[quote=hessen bub; 1321705]atarctic: what kind of evidence are you expecting? signed confessions? video? audio tapes? pictures of pimps [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] or beating women? i don't have any. i will not mention any names of girls.
there's all stages from girls working in their own for themselves, girls working for their families or a friend or husband, girls working for pimps being beaten and and not seeing the money they make.
how can i go on clubbing? trying to respect the girls, not being an asshole and in rare cases helping girls. the sex industry won't vanish tomorrow if they loose me as a customer.
hb[/quote]evidence? tell me you've seen the beatings occur. tell me you've seen things rather than what someone else told you. you don't accept "hearsay" from other posters, why should they accept it from you?
and yes. there are all levels of "forced" and that's what's so complicated about the issue. a girl with a husband who makes her work in an fkk is not really "forced" until he starts slapping her around. when he starts doing that, she normally has a legal recourse she can take against him rather than simply follow his coercion. a woman in a village in the ee who doesn't have the skills to make better than a living in poverty is not forced if she chooses prostitution abroad. she's no more forced than a high school graduate in the usa who signs up for the army and is sent to afghanistan.
being told your family is dead if you don't perform sexually, that's slavery but, how many of these women are actually in that situation? i submit not many are this level.
look at your last sentence above, you're stating that you're fine with the abuses you believe are occurring and it wouldn't make the practices go away if you didn't participate in clubbing. true, but really, if you believe what you are saying then you are contributing to the demand of those you believe are held in sexual bondage and you aren't doing anything to help the problem, but are rather a key component in it.
maybe there's a language barrier here though, lets say i pick 10 fkk girls out of oase, how many of those girls would be girls who hate being there and are only there because someone either beats them or has threatened their lives or the life of a family member.
the trafficking "myths" are all based around the premise that women, especially those in underdeveloped nations, are childlike simpletons who can't think for themselves and are therefore easily manipulated by men. it not only removes agency of self-determination for women but it also continues the whole myth of men as "abusers".
the trafficking scaremongers of the world state that all of us who participate in the paysex business are well aware that these girls of forced, but we don't care. we don't care because we're evil and actually enjoy abusing women and this is what they think.
i'm an american, and it's the usa state department's annual report on trafficking in humans that is thrown around worldwide as the authoritative source on trafficking. i simply cannot believe that, after being wrong about wmd's in iraq, that any nation would listen to us pontificate about something as anomalous as [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url]. you guys are smarter than this, hb.
Arctic, dude, if I remember correctly you haven't even been to a FKK club yet. As both you and HB said, there are many shades of grey and the term 'forced' might be more ambiguous as it seems. Let me put it like this, if you ask how many of the Romanian girls in Oase get to keep all of the cripsy 50 you give her; the answer is none.
I also get the feeling particular girls are "controlled" at certain clubs than others.
Most of the girls at GT. They tend to be less "controlled" by 3rd parties and independent.
At Oase, I do sense most of the girls are under of alot of pressure / stress. Obviously,
There are many factors to this.
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1321725]Arctic, dude, if I remember correctly you haven't even been to a FKK club yet. As both you and HB said, there are many shades of grey and the term 'forced' might be more ambiguous as it seems. Let me put it like this, if you ask how many of the Romanian girls in Oase get to keep all of the cripsy 50 you give her; the answer is none.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1321725]Arctic, dude, if I remember correctly you haven't even been to a FKK club yet. As both you and HB said, there are many shades of grey and the term 'forced' might be more ambiguous as it seems. Let me put it like this, if you ask how many of the Romanian girls in Oase get to keep all of the cripsy 50 you give her; the answer is none.[/QUOTE]Trafficking myths aren't exclusive to the FKK's. We deal with them throughout the world. There is nothing "magical" about the FKK when it comes to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] schemes.
I'm not trying to skewer HB. Just trying to get some "quantification" of the problem. The traffickers in the US claim that 1. 8 million CHILDREN (younger than 18) are "trafficked" for sexual purposes each year in the USA That's a number that's larger than the populations of 19 US states and territories. And it's completely preposterous.
Can we conclude at least, that the FKK's are fairly immune to the most egregious form of sexual slavery? That of child slavery? I'm assuming the German authorities at least check this aspect.
How big is the problem? Scope is everything here. If 1% of the FKK workers are "slaves" by the true definition that is one thing. If 90% of them are then that is quite another don't you think?
It's a serious subject and one that pisses me off. The busy bodies of this world who want to control us try to get support on their side by making these wild claims, and then we have those in our own midst who say "Oh yeah, that happens, but whatever, my participation in paysex isn't influencing it." And this just gives the busybodies the ammunition they need to point at us and say."Hey, look right there, that PERVO admits that he knows about the sexual slavery but he's fine with it!"
I know very well that, in India there may be some little girls who have their virginity auctioned off to the highest bidder. That upsets me, I'm a former military man and I'd gladly jump on a helo with a. 50 cal to rescue those kids and deal some serious damage to the pervo's bidding on them. But don't use those kids as a rationale for going after honest, mature women throughout the world (and in FKK's) who have chosen the profession of hooking for good faith reasons. I'm not interested in spending any time with a "slave" no matter what her age is. Let me get that straight. I certainly hope that no one else is either. If I found a "slave" working, wherever, I'd do everything in my power to help her out.
I think most of us here would. Or am I wrong and we're all just a bunch of mongers who don't give a shit what kind of impact our "hobby" has on the women we purchase time with?
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1321725]Let me put it like this, if you ask how many of the Romanian girls in Oase get to keep all of the cripsy 50 you give her; the answer is none.[/QUOTE]What does that mean?
Do I get to keep all the money I make at my job? Don't I pay some of that to income taxes? Don't I pay some of that to state sales taxes when I purchase a lawnmower? Doesn't my girlfriend get a percentage of that cut? She doesn't have to beat me for it. She just closes her thighs. Does that make me a slave?
I tip a waitress, does she keep that money? No, because she gives some of that to the cook and the busboy too. Does that make her a slave?
What about a chick that works in Walmart who has a husband who takes her paycheck? Is she a slave? Doesn't she have options to leave him if she wishes?
HB is quite correct in almost everything, but it's even a bit shallow to reduce it to that layer of 'good / forced girl' and 'bad boyfriend / pimp / manager' in order to get a bigger picture.
Where to start Arctic? Hard evidence. Yes, you can actually find a lot of that, just google around (don't know whether you speak German). As soon as there is hard evidence, police will get involved, sure. We are a country of law, after all. There's tons of stories, people getting arrested ('Zuhälter', German for pimp). I suggest you widen your google also a bit towards Hells Angels, Bandidos, Italian and Russian Mafia und such. I spare you the role some bribed police guys sometimes have in this.
Other than that, yes it's mostly just hearsay, but when you are around for a while, you will see a lot of things and start trying to make sense of it. A good exercise to begin with, is actually, what others have suggested, staying around for a while, when an FKK closes. Did that only very little, but you can read a lot of stories about that actually in German forums. Suffice it to say, the scenery will change quite a bit. There are also a lot of stories, where mongers have seen known girls getting beaten up at places like autobahn parking spaces and the like.
Oh yes, the girls will talk a lot of BS and it's actually quite simplistic to put them down as victims. More hearsay? Surprisingly, a lot of the girls at FKKs are no angels either. The 'unlucky girl' that just let her eyes fall onto the wrong guy. She exists, but mostly it's a wholly different story. Many girls you will meet in the clubs will have been involved in some sort of semi-legal / illegal stuff even before they start their careers. Drug dealing, theft, etc. Many of them will have criminal records not associated to their current job. This particularly, but by no means exclusively, applies to German girls you will find in clubs. As a result of this they will often have a deeper understanding of the various business schemes running in these venues, because they are often no different in mind. Also, particularly in larger clubs, its very common that there are hierarchies between the girls based on status in the club, experience, nationality etc. There are frequently girls that act as 'associate managers' and overlook other, mostly newer, girls as a side income in the club, or even just to upgrade their status with their boyfriends. There are also a lot of physical confrontations going on between the girls, and often for laughable matters. And so forth. Shades of grey.
And pimps. The idea of a pimp/'bad ass boyfriend' operating freely in any of the major FKKs / brothels is pretty much a 'romantic leftover' from past times. That happened in brothels in the 60s / 70s, and was also very violent back then. But times have long changed, as others have pointed out, there are various motorcycle gangs operating, big and small ones, Italian / Russian mafia, various groups from eastern Europe / Turkey / North Africa. And. They all have their territories. The pimps are often just as unfree as the girls because they are deeply involved in their organisation. More hearsay? Those gangs often have initiation / loyalty rituals or tests that make black saturdays look like childs birthdays. Not just hearsay though, has been attested in court several times.
It's an underworld environment and a lot of BS is happening there. BTW this will certainly not go on forever like this. Sooner or later there will be crackdown, because of the way all this has grown in the past few years and people coming from all over the world to us, you can bet on that. It's just a natural business cycle and I'the be surprised if we weren't very close to the top of it right now.
[QUOTE=Arctic;1321722]Look at your last sentence above, you're stating that you're fine with the abuses you believe are occurring and it wouldn't make the practices go away if you didn't participate in clubbing. True, but really, if you believe what you are saying then you ARE contributing to the demand of those you believe are held in sexual bondage and you aren't doing anything to help the problem, but are rather a key component in it.[/QUOTE]You are a key component in abuse as soon as you see the light of this planet. Yes, a significant amount of your money spent in FKKs or other brothels will find its way into channels you and others will not like, but so does your money spent on pretty much everything else. But it's not our fault. After all, it's a legal and regulated business, and if there are things going wrong the idea that a customer could do a lot about it is quite laughable. Do you investigate abuses in the production chain when you buy a car or a smartphone? If there is hard evidence, you should do something about it, sure, and actually I quite disagree with the line Batou took (although as others have pointed out, there's a high probability she was BSing). And you should also avoid places that are too shady, but that's about all you can do. You should keep your compass up, yes, and try to improve things whenever you can, but if you start questioning, whenever you do something that is fun, you will have a sad life.
And, no offense Arctic, but maybe you should try to look at it from a less ideological perspective. Yes, I know, the debate in America concerning sex and other things is deeply like that, but there's no use in it, really. There's often no simple good or bad, right or wrong. You should worry less what message the USA State Dept or other governments / organisations are trying to convey to whomsoever. Nobody cares, in Europe at least.
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1321762]What does that mean?
Doesn't my girlfriend get a percentage of that cut? She doesn't have to beat me for it. She just closes her thighs. Does that make me a slave?[/QUOTE]Your girlfriend offers you companionship, sex, etc, which are tangible benefits. Pimps by definition offer no benefits to the girls they control. Quite the contrary, they offer physical and mental harm to them.
[Quote]I tip a waitress, does she keep that money? No, because she gives some of that to the cook and the busboy too. Does that make her a slave?[/QUOTE]The cook and the busboy contribute to the overall service and dining experience to the customer, which in turn contributes to the tips she receives. Pimps contribute nothing to the service the girls provide to their customers, except the coercion part that made the girls' sex service available to begin with (involuntarily by definition).
[QUOTE]What about a chick that works in Walmart who has a husband who takes her paycheck? Is she a slave? Doesn't she have options to leave him if she wishes?[/QUOTE]The husband shares much with the wife: apartment, cars, children, sense of family, etc, and she does have the option to leave him if she wishes and that happen quite often in real life. Pimps share nothing with the girls they control and most girls do not have the option to leave their pimps even if they wish.
The statistics on sex trafficking may be exaggerated but sex trafficking does happen and it is not a figment of our imagination. Selling sex for a living voluntarily is one thing, being forced into it is entirely different. Yes, we are all "forced" to work in some sense in order to survive. But most of us have the choice of career or means of making a living and we often choose doing something that we feel morally accepatble to ourselves and our families. For example, we all know that scamming people out of their life savings or pimping are not something our conscience (or lord if you're religious) would approve of, and we would not choose either one as our career choice. Now, whether *you* personally think selling sex is morally acceptable is besides the point. What matters is the girls' value system and if it tells them that it is an immoral and shameful thing to do, and then some pimps force them to do it, I think it is not very difficult to see how wrong it is. And I think it is not hard to see the difference between the girls being forced to sell sex for a living - given that they perceive it to be a morally reprehensible thing to do - and us being forced to work to make a living the "normal" way.
For those, who are in the area: starting tonight and lasting until Monday, the town of Bad Homburg celebrates the well-known "Laternenfest" (lantern festival)
[url]http://www.bad-homburg-tourismus.de/en/events/index-showid36540.htm[/url]
Program here as pdf download (in german)
[url]http://laternenfest.de/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/Programm-2012.pdf[/url]
For Americans: tonight Shannon McNally and Will Sexton will be on stage over there!
Might happen that you will meet some of the FKK-Oase girls over there too!
[QUOTE=Atooz; 1321869]Your girlfriend offers you companionship, sex, etc, which are tangible benefits. Pimps by definition offer no benefits to the girls they control. Quite the contrary, they offer physical and mental harm to them.
The cook and the busboy contribute to the overall service and dining experience to the customer, which in turn contributes to the tips she receives. Pimps contribute nothing to the service the girls provide to their customers, except the coercion part that made the girls' sex service available to begin with (involuntarily by definition).
The husband shares much with the wife: apartment, cars, children, sense of family, etc, and she does have the option to leave him if she wishes and that happen quite often in real life. Pimps share nothing with the girls they control and most girls do not have the option to leave their pimps even if they wish.
The statistics on sex trafficking may be exaggerated but sex trafficking does happen and it is not a figment of our imagination. Selling sex for a living voluntarily is one thing, being forced into it is entirely different. Yes, we are all "forced" to work in some sense in order to survive. But most of us have the choice of career or means of making a living and we often choose doing something that we feel morally accepatble to ourselves and our families. For example, we all know that scamming people out of their life savings or pimping are not something our conscience (or lord if you're religious) would approve of, and we would not choose either one as our career choice. Now, whether *you* personally think selling sex is morally acceptable is besides the point. What matters is the girls' value system and if it tells them that it is an immoral and shameful thing to do, and then some pimps force them to do it, I think it is not very difficult to see how wrong it is. And I think it is not hard to see the difference between the girls being forced to sell sex for a living. Given that they perceive it to be a morally reprehensible thing to do. And us being forced to work to make a living the "normal" way.[/QUOTE]I have never felt that a girl in an FKK was forced to work.
Girls that originate from Eastern Europe, especially Romania, Bulgaria, Ukraine, etc. All claim that as a waitress or as an office clerk in their own country they make about 200-300 Euro per month. This is consistent and public knowlegde.
That 300Euro is also the amount that in average most girls seem to be making in an FKK PER DAY. Assuming they have the looks and the attitude.
One newby once told me that during the first week, she didn't make less than 300 Euro per day even on the worst day of the week.
Of course these girls have a private life and people taking advantage of them personally. I have however a very hard time to believe that many of them are really forced into this.
Most girls seem to be enjoying themselves, not only for the money but also the relative relaxed life.
Just my two cents.
Atooz. Yes everything you say is correct. But only if one defines (as you do) "pimp" as a trafficker forcing someone to do something. many people interprete "pimp" much more widely i.e. receiving some benefit from a working girl
As Neutron says there are many shades of grey
As Artic and Neutron indicate, there are complex situations. What if the "pimp" is in fact an unemployed man living with a working girl, or even a working girl who has taken a fee for introducing a new girl to the profession. There are as many variations as we have imagination for. In some cases it may amount to slavery, but in many more the element of co-ercion is more likely to be general economic circumstances. This means we should perhaps also be very worried about the conditions of the millions in debt bondage and sweated labour producing our goods in India etc.
The so called respectable companies are exploiting millions of people. And we are almost powerless to stop it. We should not reserve our morality for FKK encounters only - despite what the US debate might suggest. At least in FKK we can see the worker for ourselves and can make some kind of guess and try not to encourage any form of trafficking.
And we should also be aware that we need to reserve some awareness of the possibility that some of the girls can be excellent (intentionally or otherwise) at exploiting our own weaknesses/needs (emotional or otherwise) and are able to entrap and enslave us in various ways
Neutron - for what it's worth I also have the feeling we are entering a bubble economy so far as FKKs etc are concerned and that the inevitable crash will come. The concerted action against Hells Angels in northern Germany, the closure of street prostitution in Dortmund could be the first signs of a coming (moderate) reaction against the explosion of immigrant workers and the milieu. I say moderate reaction in view of increasing moves by the State to regularise tax payments from sex workers
Do you think that German girls are slave too? There are a lot of them in these clubs.
Anyway in my country (ITA) , cause of the laws that forbid prostitution, there is seriously the problem of slavery, exploitation, and violence on the girls that works (illegally).
I think that in a country like Germany, where laws seems working right, some heavy situations are less than we think, and I seriously hope so.
In some club where I had been staying chatting a lot with the girls, at the end of the business, a lot of time I've heard the same story: I want to save some money for buy my own house,
I need some money for the holiday, change the car, get married (your boyfriend and future husband knows what you are doing?). Well probably the most of the time, behind there is a smart boyfriend.
That say "make money and give it to me, so I buy our house and prepare for the marriage", and simply an easy girl that believe in that.
[QUOTE=Casey69; 1322003]I have never felt that a girl in an FKK was forced to work.
Most girls seem to be enjoying themselves, not only for the money but also the relative relaxed life.[/QUOTE]That's what you should experience as a guest to the club.
atArtic: Go visit some clubs and see for yourself. I am not into an ideological theoretical discussion. Neutron Flux's description is right to the point.
HB
[QUOTE=Neutron Flux;1321763]If there is hard evidence, you should do something about it, sure, and actually I quite disagree with the line Batou took (although as others have pointed out, there's a high probability she was BSing).[/QUOTE]This is something I have been thinking allot about, and I still do not know what the right thing to do would be, but I am not proud of my self for doing nothing.
So my question is, what do you guys think I should have done? Have anyone of you been in a similar situation, if so how did you handle it? And if this is indeed a was scam, than I can't have been the first victim.
I still believe it was real because here weird behavior, she showed me all kinds of emotions, from scared to happy and smiling to almost crying. She was all over the place, hard to explain.
She did have a DKNY watch and a IPhone, when I asked about the watch, she told me it was a gift from the "boyfriend", he gave it to her when he showed her off to his buddies.
I am trying to book well known ETAP hoteles but ACCOR web site shows them as Ibis Budget with remark "Ex- Etap".
Service is still as at ETAPs, or front desk as st Ibis? What changes have been made?
Thanks
I like cim finish. But some girls promise to do it, then pull away. What do you do.
Are you better off haveing a session shortly after arriving or waiting an hour or so to get yourself acclimated. It seems like after you bat away the first ten the others seem to loose interest.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1322568]I am trying to book well known ETAP hoteles but ACCOR web site shows them as Ibis Budget with remark "Ex- Etap". Service is still as at ETAPs, or front desk as st Ibis? What changes have been made?[/QUOTE]I believe it's just a change to the branding, not the service. Management believes the Ibis name is better known than ETAP and wants to capitalise on that. Similarly, the former "All Seasons" hotels are becoming "Ibis Styles". So there are now three sorts of Ibis.
I would expect rates to be between etap and ibis levels and it seems they may have redecorated the old etaps to make them look more modern and so charge a higher rate.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1322568]I am trying to book well known ETAP hoteles but ACCOR web site shows them as Ibis Budget with remark "Ex- Etap".
Service is still as at ETAPs, or front desk as st Ibis? What changes have been made?
Thanks[/QUOTE]No change at all, except the "new" name. Same check-in, same front desk service as before. At least in Hamburg, Ratingen, Willich and Köln.
My guess it's a move just to get a brand that they have full control over and that they can develop and aim at the right customer group.
Go to etap (dot) com, and you will come to a homepage that is promoting some "power system software". Check out the colours, the logo, the typography and the struckture of the homepage. Either the hotel chain or the software company are "ripping" the other off (or they are cooperating).
I hope that the change will not affect the price level in the wrong direction.
T
[QUOTE=Katinka;1322586]I like cim finish. But some girls promise to do it, then pull away. What do you do.[/QUOTE]Spend the 50 euro you just saved on the next girl. .
[QUOTE=Katinka;1322589]Are you better off haveing a session shortly after arriving or waiting an hour or so to get yourself acclimated. It seems like after you bat away the first ten the others seem to loose interest.[/QUOTE]Have a session when you see the girl you want to go with, whether it be within minutes or an hour after you arrive. If no one asks you then walk up to whoever you want and ask her. She isn't going to say no and girls really appreciate guys who ask.
[QUOTE=Katinka;1322589]Are you better off haveing a session shortly after arriving or waiting an hour or so to get yourself acclimated. It seems like after you bat away the first ten the others seem to loose interest.[/QUOTE]All depends on how your body feels after your journey to get to the club of your choice. I've landed before and done back to back sessions without any problem, then again I've also walked into Oase and hit the lounge chair by the jacuzzi only to wake up 2 hours later. If your extremely tired from the journey, get some rest so that first 50 euro's doesn't go to waste.
[QUOTE=Batou75; 1322333]This is something I have been thinking allot about, and I still do not know what the right thing to do would be, but I am not proud of my self for doing nothing.
So my question is, what do you guys think I should have done? Have anyone of you been in a similar situation, if so how did you handle it? And if this is indeed a was scam, than I can't have been the first victim.
I still believe it was real because here weird behavior, she showed me all kinds of emotions, from scared to happy and smiling to almost crying. She was all over the place, hard to explain.
She did have a DKNY watch and a IPhone, when I asked about the watch, she told me it was a gift from the "boyfriend", he gave it to her when he showed her off to his buddies.[/QUOTE]Batou,
I doubt you will find good answers here. And I'm not going to preach you any due course of action either. I stated that, based on your description, I would've handled things differently, and I'm quite certain of that but after all, all that we have is a few lines of text on the internet. So guess who's best qualified to decide what to do. You know the options. It's good to seek advice but at some point you just have to make your own choices.
But simply running away when a problem unfolds is hardly ever a good option. Many people are doing that many times, because they're lazy or do not have the balls and we have all been guilty of that at some point. He who is without sin throw the first stone. But. Your sins of the past will stay and haunt you.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1322773]Spend the 50 euro you just saved on the next girl.[/QUOTE]I don't think that is what Katinka meant. I think Katinka is asking when he has undertaken to perform a CIM that the girl takes her mouth off his cock as he comes so her mouth is not staying on his cock to his absolute completion. She still demands the 50 euro.
[QUOTE=Katinka;1322586]I like cim finish. But some girls promise to do it, then pull away. What do you do.[/QUOTE]Don't see these girls again!
[quote=london traveller;1322937]don't see these girls again![/quote]i go again with them and the next time the minute i want to cum i control my face, make sure the pressure builds up like crazy and then make the ahh sound and squiny face (this is all pre planned in my head) and when they try to pull away again i quickly hold their head to restrict the pull (they will be shocked during this time as they don't anticipate the hold) and give a powerfull spurt(i remembered i gave a push like i wanna give a good [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in their mouth. this technique will definetly have your baby seed go into their stomach. did this three times. only one girl push me back and got angry to which i reply " i thought you agree because cum in mouth means i spurt in mouth and that is what happen" and i pretended to play stupid. the girls won't dare to hit a customer as she would be ban from the club as you ccan press assault charges against her (but be warned it could turn into a police case but i don't care as i am not married so i don't care of being caught in a fkk). just that make sure when you hold her head you don't do it hard (you don't need to do it because she will be shock that you restrict her head movement and she will stop her head by herself). for girl who are honest with me there is no problem and i will always do cim the normal way(i am even satisfied if the cum just drip on the lips) i do my thing and they do they thing but for those that rip off i teach them a lesson. so for 100 euro i am certain i got a swallow.
revenge is best serve cold. the nice part is when you hear them go "quek quek" rtrying to get the cum out of their stomach but hey my baby seed is already in there so enjoy my protein shake.
[QUOTE=Katinka;1322586]I like cim finish. But some girls promise to do it, then pull away. What do you do.[/QUOTE]I've been reading about these CIM scams lately and don't know what to make of it all. I mean, it's never happened to me that a girl who had agreed to CIM pulled away right at the point of the money shot. At the same time, I've never had a girl who had not agreed to CIM all of a sudden put her mouth on my dick and draw back real quick just trying to get paid for an upsell without having really put in the effort for it.
In the first case, I definitely would not pay extra for CIM. She didn't do what she said she was going to do, so I'm not paying. Why the hell would anybody? Why should you? If she wants to argue it, then let's take it to the front desk! And you know what? I'm not paying under the second set of circumstances either where you didn't mutually agree on CIM and the desperate tute is just trying to play you for a fool! I mean that kind of behavior would really [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] me off! I would report what she did and wouldn't pay her one damn Euro extra.
I'm just glad I haven't had any of these problems. That would sure put a damper on all the fun to be had at a FKK! You're there to enjoy, not to get rooked by shifty ass tutes that don't want to work for the money. A full day's pay for a full day's work! I think that some of these girls just see some guys, for whatever reason, as suckers and "marks" that they can take advantage of. I'm not having it, so I'm glad nobody has ever tested me this way. It would make for some "interesting" times needless to say.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1322929]I don't think that is what Katinka meant. I think Katinka is asking when he has undertaken to perform a CIM that the girl takes her mouth off his cock as he comes so her mouth is not staying on his cock to his absolute completion. She still demands the 50 euro.[/QUOTE]Exactly what I meant. Maybe she takes the first squirt, maybe she pulls away on the first dry contraction, it is hard to tell. But thanks for the counsel. If it happens again I won't pay and see what the result is.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1322942]REVENGE is BEST serve COLD. The nice part is when you hear them go "quek quek" rtrying to get the cum out of their stomach but hey my baby seed is already in there so enjoy my protein shake.[/QUOTE]Come in mouth means, that you agree to pay an extra amount of money (in most clubs) for being allowed to come in her mouth. And that the woman agrees that you can do it for an extra amount of money.
It doesn't mean that the girl has to swallow your stuff nor that she agrees to be forced by you to swallow your stuff.
You are responsible for your behavour, not she!
Some people seem to be constantly at war with women (intellectually?) , even when they enter a german FKK-Club!
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1323083]Come in mouth means, that you agree to pay an extra amount of money (in most clubs) for being allowed to come in her mouth. And that the woman agrees that you can do it for an extra amount of money.
It doesn't mean that the girl has to swallow your stuff nor that she agrees to be forced by you to swallow your stuff.
You are responsible for your behavour, not she!
Some people seem to be constantly at war with women (intellectually?) , even when they enter a german FKK-Club![/QUOTE]Nick don't get me wrong I agree with what you say However there are girls that are total rip offs. I have experienced it didn't even touch her lips more like a little spurt goes to her neck but the majority was on the bed? She totally bwent renegade on the arrangement and still demanded 50 euro. I am even happy with cum on lips if girls don't want in the mouth.
I did not ask her to swollow rather I change my tactic just like she did. I didn't even hold forcefully her head just like a barried from her to move. It is actually more like a psychological barrier she pulls away her head then there is a hand at the back and your automatic response is to stop. No force at all! Only thing is that the build up of pressure I admit I go to the maximum as I can and trust me it was the maximum. She swallowed it I did not push my cock at all down her throat rather you can say only tip of the cock were at the front of the lips!
I believe if there is an arrangement with a girl both should honour it. My only thing I am dissatisfied is when a girl tries to cheat thats all.
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1323083]Come in mouth means, that you agree to pay an extra amount of money (in most clubs) for being allowed to come in her mouth. And that the woman agrees that you can do it for an extra amount of money.
It doesn't mean that the girl has to swallow your stuff nor that she agrees to be forced by you to swallow your stuff.
You are responsible for your behavour, not she!
Some people seem to be constantly at war with women (intellectually?) , even when they enter a german FKK-Club![/QUOTE]Hear hear to this. Besides, pissing a girl off while he has your precious member in her mouth with all those teeth does not seem the wisest course in any case.
AM
[quote=amriptna111; 1322942]i quickly hold their head to restrict the pull (they will be shocked during this time as they don't anticipate the hold) and give a powerfull spurt (i remembered i gave a push like i want to give a good [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] in their mouth.
the girls won't dare to hit a customer as she would be ban from the club as you ccan press assault charges against her (but be warned it could turn into a police case but i don't care as i am not married so i don't care of being caught in a fkk).[/quote]are you serious about this "advice"? hope one of the girls will dig her teeth deeply into your willy.
hb.
ps: maybe you are meaning something else than you are writing.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1323088]I believe if there is an arrangement with a girl both should honour it. My only thing I am dissatisfied is when a girl tries to cheat thats all.[/QUOTE]If a girl blatantly and obviously reneges on an agreement calmly take it up with management. Even if you still end up paying the 50, it is still registered with management that there may well be a problem. With something like CIM this can be hard to prove and will likely come down to your perception of the event vs hers. As I say, you might not get financial satisfaction but the girl will get noticed.
The other option is to simply not go with her any more and write a balanced report here stating your case.
Booking the girl again to try to obtain some sort of revenge is just not the thing to do. If I believe a girl has ripped me off why on earth would I want to spend even 5 minutes alone with her in a room? That is just throwing good money after bad in my opinion. Is revenge really that important to you? Maybe paint ball would be a better hobby. This is paid sex, it is supposed to be fun.
AM
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1323101]Are you serious about this "advice"? Hope one of the girls will dig her teeth deeply into your willy.
HB.
PS: Maybe you are meaning something else than you are writing.[/QUOTE]No HB. Not forcefully porcing just lke putting hand behind the back. No way did I grab her hair or head. Perhaps my writing is not so delicate. But no force was done. The maximum build up pressure of cum was true but I think some gusy do cim this way they built up the pressure then boom. And the girl waits for it. It would be only a problem if the girls pull away. But if the girl just wait and get ready for it it won't go into her stomach.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1323110]If a girl blatantly and obviously reneges on an agreement calmly take it up with management. Even if you still end up paying the 50, it is still registered with management that there may well be a problem. With something like CIM this can be hard to prove and will likely come down to your perception of the event vs hers. As I say, you might not get financial satisfaction but the girl will get noticed.
The other option is to simply not go with her any more and write a balanced report here stating your case.
Booking the girl again to try to obtain some sort of revenge is just not the thing to do. If I believe a girl has ripped me off why on earth would I want to spend even 5 minutes alone with her in a room? That is just throwing good money after bad in my opinion. Is revenge really that important to you? Maybe paint ball would be a better hobby. This is paid sex, it is supposed to be fun.
AM[/QUOTE]I didn't know you can complain on this as in a way you did spurt on her body and this would be a definite 50 euro so no room for argument. I did it because I thought 50 euro went down the drain. The girl wins and I lose.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1322967]That would sure put a damper on all the fun to be had at a FKK! You're there to enjoy, not to get rooked by shifty ass tutes that don't want to work for the money. A full day's pay for a full day's work! I think that some of these girls just see some guys, for whatever reason, as suckers and "marks" that they can take advantage of. I'm not having it, so I'm glad nobody has ever tested me this way. It would make for some "interesting" times needless to say.[/QUOTE]Why is 50 Euros such a big deal? Seriously. We're all "suckers" and "marks" at the end of the say as they are extracting money from our wallets. Who cares? Maybe I'm the only one. But I get amused by a woman who has thought up a trick or two to make more money. To be honest, I don't think I negotiated a CIM every time I got one. But I still paid for it. Hey, the girl's down there, it's feeling good, is that the time for negotiation? I told them all to just "go with the flow" hell if I come in your mouth I'll pay for it even if I didn't plan it. See, thing is. I didn't want to negotiate a CIM because sometimes I get in a position while fucking and say "To hell with the CIM, I want to come NOW!". That's kind of disappointing for the girl who misses out on the extra money when I finish inside her. Especially if I negotiated a CIM. So, I'd rather not negotiate it and leave up to the mood at the time to dictate where the seed falls you know?
I had about five women taking care of me this weekend at OASE and they all treated me like a king. Because I'm NICE though and don't nit-pick the money details. I came to have fun, not to argue over money. If I weren't having fun then I might argue about the money but that wasn't my experience.
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1323267]Why is 50 Euros such a big deal? Seriously. We're all "suckers" and "marks" at the end of the say as they are extracting money from our wallets. Who cares? Maybe I'm the only one. But I get amused by a woman who has thought up a trick or two to make more money. To be honest, I don't think I negotiated a CIM every time I got one. But I still paid for it. Hey, the girl's down there, it's feeling good, is that the time for negotiation? I told them all to just "go with the flow" hell if I come in your mouth I'll pay for it even if I didn't plan it. See, thing is. I didn't want to negotiate a CIM because sometimes I get in a position while fucking and say "To hell with the CIM, I want to come NOW!". That's kind of disappointing for the girl who misses out on the extra money when I finish inside her. Especially if I negotiated a CIM. So, I'd rather not negotiate it and leave up to the mood at the time to dictate where the seed falls you know?
I had about five women taking care of me this weekend at OASE and they all treated me like a king. Because I'm NICE though and don't nit-pick the money details. I came to have fun, not to argue over money. If I weren't having fun then I might argue about the money but that wasn't my experience.[/QUOTE]Because it's my money, and I don't give it away for nothing. That's why. Now. You should do any negotiating you're going to do BEFORE you go to the room so, as you say, you can just "go with the flow" and enjoy. If you've chosen a girl who's on the up and up, then there will be no problems. And if what we negotiated was my sperm flowing into her mouth, but she doesn't do the job, then she doesn't deserve to get paid the 50 Euros extra for CIM. It's that simple. A deal's a deal.
By the same token, if you did no negotiation prior and you "go with the flow" and CIM, then guess what? You owe the girl the money and should pay up! Nobody here has suggested anything different from that. That's very, very different from the girl saying she does CIM, but then she doesn't really perform and still expects that somebody is going to pay her 50 Euros extra.
Or even worse, you didn't agree to CIM and you DON'T want to pay for CIM, but the girl decides she's going to try to get 50 Euros extra from you anyway by quickly putting her mouth down there, then pulling back. That's unacceptable, bullshit behavior! If this sort of thing amuses you, then yes you would be one of the only ones to find it so funny. It's not so much about the money. After all, I often will drop 200 Euros a session (1 hour with anal) , and I normally do 3 to 4 sessions a day with at least half of those including anal (5 sessions total if I'm really horny!). Rarely ever do I do a session shorter than 1 hour. No my friend, it's not just the money. It's the PRINCIPLE of the thing. You see, it's not "amusing" to rip off the customers in any business. Especially to the customers!
I understand your view that you prefer for things to go naturally and don't want to nit pick over the money. That's how I am when it comes to many things that I might enjoy in a session, such as kissing. To me, it's so much more satisfying when kissing happens naturally during the session. I never "negotiate" for that. But when it comes to things that are officially on the house menu for a price, I've found that it's much, much better for the trick and the tute to discuss all of that in a low-key, non-pressure, FRIENDLY kind of way BEFORE they go to the room. That helps to avoid any misunderstandings about the money that might have otherwise arisen later. And if a girl expects me to pay her extra for things that aren't priced out on the house menu, she better make that clear BEFORE we go to the room. I've never paid extra to kiss a girl or suck some nookie or lick a tute's butt crack. And I never will. Ha!
Is there any difference where to exchange USD to EURO: in Fraport kiosks or better to do it in Sparkasse in the city? Is fee different or about the same?
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1323267]Why is 50 Euros such a big deal? Seriously. We're all "suckers" and "marks" at the end of the say as they are extracting money from our wallets. Who cares? Maybe I'm the only one. But I get amused by a woman who has thought up a trick or two to make more money. To be honest, I don't think I negotiated a CIM every time I got one. But I still paid for it. Hey, the girl's down there, it's feeling good, is that the time for negotiation? I told them all to just "go with the flow" hell if I come in your mouth I'll pay for it even if I didn't plan it. See, thing is. I didn't want to negotiate a CIM because sometimes I get in a position while fucking and say "To hell with the CIM, I want to come NOW!". That's kind of disappointing for the girl who misses out on the extra money when I finish inside her. Especially if I negotiated a CIM. So, I'd rather not negotiate it and leave up to the mood at the time to dictate where the seed falls you know?
I had about five women taking care of me this weekend at OASE and they all treated me like a king. Because I'm NICE though and don't nit-pick the money details. I came to have fun, not to argue over money. If I weren't having fun then I might argue about the money but that wasn't my experience.[/QUOTE]Hi artic that is cause you are on a holiday so you think it is okay to splurge some of us who are near to frankfurt or frequently goes there and sort of have fkk lifestyle will plan our budget and try to get a fair deal. I am sorry but I have to disagree with your point at you are looking it from a tourist POV
[QUOTE=Arctic; 1323267]To be honest, I don't think I negotiated a CIM every time I got one. But I still paid for it. Hey, the girl's down there, it's feeling good, is that the time for negotiation? I told them all to just "go with the flow" hell if I come in your mouth I'll pay for it even if I didn't plan it. See, thing is. I didn't want to negotiate a CIM because sometimes I get in a position while fucking and say "To hell with the CIM, I want to come NOW!". That's kind of disappointing for the girl who misses out on the extra money when I finish inside her. Especially if I negotiated a CIM. So, I'd rather not negotiate it and leave up to the mood at the time to dictate where the seed falls you know?
I had about five women taking care of me this weekend at OASE and they all treated me like a king. Because I'm NICE though and don't nit-pick the money details. I came to have fun, not to argue over money. If I weren't having fun then I might argue about the money but that wasn't my experience.[/QUOTE]Have to agree with your last point. No wants to go have a great argument at reception over what the correct charge was. Has never happened to me. However I may have been ripped off over time on an odd occasion. Misreading the clock is the most likely way girls would try to cheat the customer. That's why Palace now records start times on a log book. Many girls are very honest about time anyway and some have not charged for being slightly over time, or accepted a small increment instead of a whole 50 more.
Not sure why we talk about CIM "negotiation". Its simple either I came in her mouth or I didn't. If I did, I must pay for it, whether I pre-planned it or not. I think we are agreed on that one. So negotiation is neither necessary or nor useful. If a girl doesn't do CIM I would warn her before coming. If I didn't want to CIM I would simply change to do something else, like ask for a condom. If a girl tries to upsell to CIM at the beginning, I am simply non committal and say "I don't know yet". I never pay for come on body. Just doesn't interest me and have never experienced a girl trying to get extra money for that. I generally don't like hand jobs much either.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1323300]Is there any difference where to exchange USD to EURO: in Fraport kiosks or better to do it in Sparkasse in the city? Is fee different or about the same?[/QUOTE]I've been using debit cards for about 6 years. I have 2, from my bank which has a daily withdrawal limit and recently one from Schwab (a great suggestion from Breadman) that doesn't have a limit (and returns ALL ATM fees) , neither charge foreign exchange fees (big cost factor). Both give me the current exchange rate (another big cost factor) for date of the withdrawal.
If you go this route, look for:
No foreign exchange fee,
You get the current exchange rate, and
You get ATM fees returned.
It took about 2 weeks to get the Schwab account setup, funded and to receive the card.
Breadman and I don't agree on many things, but he sure had a winner suggestion with the Schwab card.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1323303]Hi artic that is cause you are on a holiday so you think it is okay to splurge some of us who are near to frankfurt or frequently goes there and sort of have fkk lifestyle will plan our budget and try to get a fair deal. I am sorry but I have to disagree with your point at you are looking it from a tourist POV[/QUOTE]The problem is that some girls treat the guys who 'splurge' differently from those who want a 'fair deal'. Many don't though.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;1323334]Not sure why we talk about CIM "negotiation". Its simple either I came in her mouth or I didn't. If I did, I must pay for it, whether I pre-planned it or not. I think we are agreed on that one.[/QUOTE]I think you are missing the point that Katinka, the opening poster, is making; that he had asked to perform a CIM finish so the girl had gone down to suck him to completion but at the point of completion she pulls away from his cock and by doing so avoids taking his come in her mouth in full, partially or at all and still commands additional 50 in compensation. So, in this case, would your approach be the same, that she did not take all your love juice in her mouth and not pay the girl?
Most times for me, CIM has been me pumping the sperm into her mouth and feeling her mouth on me, but there are times when I wonder due to how she has positioned herself or how quickly she jumps up to run for the waste bin to spit; whether she actually took anything at all into her mouth or just pokes her tongue out of her open mouth as the come blasts out and thereby not really taking the ejaculating cock head in her mouth.
As I was reading today I noticed a sudden change in the appearance of the forum as if the text on display had suddenly become a bit smaller. Sometimes I have also noticed a slight change in the overall layout of the forum. I checked my computers settings and they seem fine. Has anyone else ever noticed similar changes / I need to check as I have a new laptop and just want to confirm this with someone else.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1323386]I think you are missing the point that Katinka, the opening poster, is making; that he had asked to perform a CIM finish so the girl had gone down to suck him to completion but at the point of completion she pulls away from his cock and by doing so avoids taking his come in her mouth in full, partially or at all and still commands additional 50 in compensation. So, in this case, would your approach be the same, that she did not take all your love juice in her mouth and not pay the girl?
Most times for me, CIM has been me pumping the sperm into her mouth and feeling her mouth on me, but there are times when I wonder due to how she has positioned herself or how quickly she jumps up to run for the waste bin to spit; whether she actually took anything at all into her mouth or just pokes her tongue out of her open mouth as the come blasts out and thereby not really taking the ejaculating cock head in her mouth.[/QUOTE]You're on point and talking about the kind of behavior we're objecting to here. Anytime I've nutted in a girl's mouth who agreed to CIM, she did not pull away but let me blow all over her pearly whites proper. I've even had one babe swallow. It was a Hungarian at Artemis. Don't remember her name, and she's probably long gone. But mostly they just hold and spit. I think my favorite was Patrizia at Oase, the Romanian and Italian mix. She readily took all of my esperma in her mouth (she kept saying "I want to EAT your SPERM") , then she spit it out in a way that it ran down her chin in a torrent of slobber into my crotch. Then she dutifully cleaned me up. Good girl! Now THAT'S CIM. Anybody know if petite and tanned Patrizia is still at Oase?
[QUOTE=The Cane;1323299]Because it's my money, and I don't give it away for nothing.[/QUOTE]I just think you're too funny man. Seriously, your posts crack me up. As if pussy is some important thing. If money was important to you. Why do you spend it on pussy when there's millions of better things you could spend it on? I wonder how much time you put into the exercise of trying to figure out how to get the absolute MOST from a girl for the lowest dollar?
No one likes to get ripped off, but dude, if you're cumming and you're uncovered and you're NOT inside the girl then you're going to be paying for an extra. Isn't CIB an extra? Whats the fee for that? So you're either paying for CIB or CIM. You don't want to pay then don't spray.
Pretty simple really.
Nah. I don't really think about the girls ripping me off too much. Spoils too much of the fun to worry about stuff like that.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1323386]I think you are missing the point that Katinka, the opening poster, is making; that he had asked to perform a CIM finish so the girl had gone down to suck him to completion but at the point of completion she pulls away from his cock and by doing so avoids taking his come in her mouth in full, partially or at all and still commands additional 50 in compensation. So, in this case, would your approach be the same, that she did not take all your love juice in her mouth and not pay the girl?
Most times for me, CIM has been me pumping the sperm into her mouth and feeling her mouth on me, but there are times when I wonder due to how she has positioned herself or how quickly she jumps up to run for the waste bin to spit; whether she actually took anything at all into her mouth or just pokes her tongue out of her open mouth as the come blasts out and thereby not really taking the ejaculating cock head in her mouth.[/QUOTE]Me? I'd have paid her for it.
Why? Did she purposefully hold back? Or, was she "surprised" that the guy was that close? Maybe she was stopping to catch a breath, maybe she got a hair in her teeth. Maybe the guy didn't wash his foreskin and she couldn't stand his taste anymore? A million things could have happened and, at that point during climax, am I really AWARE enough to judge her actions and intentions? I don't think so. Yeah, I'd have paid her for it and let it go. I might have told her "I saw what you did there little sharkie!" and maybe I'd never session with her again if I really felt she did it on purpose but I'd still pay her and just count it as a data point.
At worst, I'd have told her I was disappointed in her finish but still taken the "high road" and paid her for it. I mean, if this was something that happened with a lot of girls a lot of the time, then maybe it would be different but looking through this forum you just don't see it that much. And besides, does anyone here believe that a girl who's worked at an FKK for a year or more is going to "shy away" from CIM? By that time, they've done it so much it's certainly not a big enough thing for them to try to cheat a guy over.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1323538]You're on point and talking about the kind of behavior we're objecting to here. Anytime I've nutted in a girl's mouth who agreed to CIM, she did not pull away but let me blow all over her pearly whites proper. I've even had one babe swallow. It was a Hungarian at Artemis. Don't remember her name, and she's probably long gone. But mostly they just hold and spit. I think my favorite was Patrizia at Oase, the Romanian and Italian mix. She readily took all of my esperma in her mouth (she kept saying "I want to EAT your SPERM") , then she spit it out in a way that it ran down her chin in a torrent of slobber into my crotch. Then she dutifully cleaned me up. Good girl! Now THAT'S CIM. Anybody know if petite and tanned Patrizia is still at Oase?[/QUOTE]If it is the patrizia that looks dool up with barbie lips then she is still there as of last 2 weeks.
You know something, I have an average size dick and I am very glad about that. I think you get a better BJ. Plus you are a lot more likely to get anal. I know that this is a slightly off topic, but I have been drinking. Years ago, I had an affair with a married girl whose husband apparently had a large dick. One night she was drunk and sucking my dick. All at once she burst out laughing and said,"it is so small and cute." On the other hand, on another occasion she was bent over and I was fcuking her up the ass and she remarked,"my husband would kill to do this."
So if you have a six incher and envie those porno dicks, I think you are mistaken.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1323303]Hi artic that is cause you are on a holiday so you think it is okay to splurge some of us who are near to frankfurt or frequently goes there and sort of have fkk lifestyle will plan our budget and try to get a fair deal. I am sorry but I have to disagree with your point at you are looking it from a tourist POV[/QUOTE]Arctic, I have to agree with Armriptna. The average visitor or local (and I mean this broadly as this includes a wide spectrum of nations) have to be able to afford the sessions too. Not all customers have endless budget.
Haven't stopped in for a while but am planning a trip in January.
Big Messe in FFM because all the hotels are outrageous-even the Friedrichsdorf Mercure is 100EUR+.
Figured I wouldn't even bother with my usual Oase / Mainhattan duo that weekend.
Any suggestions for some places out of town? Considering even driving up to NRW.
Now I'll only have Saturday and Sunday, so I'm trying to pick the best of the bunch. Been catching up on each FKK's thread.
I always figured I'd do GT / LR and maybe PHG on my first foray up north, but am now considering Acapulco instead based on recent reports.
Also saw promising feedback on Babylon.
If I can arrange a Fri / Sat visit, I'll likely do Bernd's on the Friday.
What would you guys suggest?
Also need hotel recommendations for the winning destination. Reuter for Bernd's, where else? Ideally just off the A3 or something like that.
Thanks in advance, Tommy
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1324137]It amazes me that (well I don't know whether they are lying or not) but there seems quite a number of girls who says that their sisters are in the same profession? One girl I met told me "well my older sister who also does this recently taking black people as her client but I cannot they are to smelly and rough". I was like I can't imagine a family sitting done together and discussing about the many men that is fucking them. Is prostituition that acceptable in Romanian culture? I wonder how their men can take the women as their wives.[/QUOTE]Yes, you do see a number of sisters working together. At World there is Romina and Deborah, and for a brief time there was the three sisters Simona, Diana and Beatrice at World too. The girls talk amongst themselves about their work. Just the same way the men talk about the girls. In your job, do you not talk about your work with work colleagues. It is just in this case that the work is fucking men. The girls are constantly looking at which clubs has the most business and able to get the most money. You find you will get asked by girls if they find that you go around all the clubs what your opinion is of what club is busy. Then there are other aspects of the job that the girls discuss of which clients are good and which clients are bad.
I do not think that prostitution is that readily acceptable in Romania than it is anywhere else. What I have deduced is that there are so many Romanian girls working in the sex industry now that when a girl says she is going to work in Western Europe (e. G. Italy, Spain, UK, Germany, Netherlands, France, etc.) that some presume she is going to work as a hooker. One girl said to me that she has to make money and do well in this job since that makes the shame / humiliation of going home gentler that she was successful.
Some of the girls just cannot leave the profession and I guess if it gets out that this is what they do that they are pushed to the fringe.
I encountered two pairs of sisters at Magnum (Erkrath) this summer, a couple of petite Hungarians and two tall Algerians who could pass for Latinas. I was lucky to have sessions with three of the four. My favorite part maybe was when I eavesdropped on the older Hungarian giving the Algerians tips on marketing themselves as "sex sisters"!
[QUOTE=Tommyseville; 1324380]Any suggestions for some places out of town? Now I'll only have Saturday and Sunday, so I'm trying to pick the best of the bunch. Been catching up on each FKK's thread.
If I can arrange a Fri / Sat visit, I'll likely do Bernd's on the Friday.
What would you guys suggest?[/QUOTE]I assume you are starting off in Frankfurt and the trade fair that you have not identified is the large one that is always in the last week of January for Christmas World and Paper World amongst others? Is that correct? If so, I suggest that you go to World which a place out of town. You can stay in a local hotel or pension in Giessen or in Wetzlar. The club is spacious and has around the same number of girls as Oase although the line up is more in favour of Romanians (although in my past visits there are more Germans there from Nurnburg, Dortmund, Koblenz and Hamburg). The food is served during all opening hours in the dining room and you should be able to find something to do there. At 8pm there is DJ in the main bar room and there is a saxophonist in the relaxation lounge downstairs. You can also spend two days in this club.
Or, alternatively, you can do Saturday at World and then a relaxing Sunday at Das 5 Element near Fulda which is less than 1 hour drive from Frankfurt. At Das 5 Element, this club has everything and admittedly not as mnay girls, the girls do not push there.
If you do a Friday and a Saturday then yes please do Bernds on a Friday. You may even go there on a couch action day like there is on 14 Sept. This is where Bernds is giving 10 programs free for men that do their session in public on the couch for all to see. You are expected to have your finale in public so put on your best porno face. For the Saturday go to World. This will save a long drive to NRW to the clubs close to the Netherlands border.
Thanks, Yakob, for your advice!
[QUOTE=Yakob;1324724]I assume you are starting off in Frankfurt and the trade fair that you have not identified is the large one that is always in the last week of January for Christmas World and Paper World amongst others? Is that correct? If so, I suggest that you go to World which a place out of town.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's the one. Almost like 2 or 3 trade fairs joined together.
I like World a lot, but usually save it for my summertime visits. Alas, I have been traveling mostly domestically during the summer months for the past couple of years, so I haven't been back to World in a long time. Great to hear that the lineups have been good.
The downstairs bar area was always good for napping-I suppose if the saxophonist isn't playing after midnight I can still catch a little between-session naps down there.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1324724]Das 5 Element near Fulda which is less than 1 hour drive from Frankfurt. At Das 5 Element, this club has everything and admittedly not as mnay girls, the girls do not push there.[/QUOTE]I had forgotten about Das 5 Element. I remember the food was supposed to be quite good. Hope the girls are equally good too. I'll do some more research about that one.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1324724]If you do a Friday and a Saturday then yes please do Bernds on a Friday. You may even go there on a couch action day like there is on 14 Sept. This is where Bernds is giving 10 programs free for men that do their session in public on the couch for all to see. You are expected to have your finale in public so put on your best porno face.[/QUOTE]I have experienced some PTs, so the public session won't be too out there for me to try. After 4 years now I have yet to experience Bernd's, and I figure it's time to make the pilgrimage.
Thanks again, Tommy
Forget about 5E re girls. Reports on German boards talk about 10. 15 girls max, most of them below 7 in rating. In the FFM area Sharks shouldn't be affected too much by the fair, hotel prices will be above normal, but you can try south of Darmstadt.
HB
Everytime I plan a german trip. I'm back reading the reports on the forum everyday. Since I'm hooked to Samya that's what I'm always looking for.
But its so funny whenever you want more and more about a particular club the activity levels on that particular club suddenly goes down. People are writing about clubs which were like inactive for months and no decent reports on Samya. Funny but I guess I'll have to find out myself when I get there.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1324659]Yes, you do see a number of sisters working together. At World there is Romina and Deborah, and for a brief time there was the three sisters Simona, Diana and Beatrice at World too.[/QUOTE]Adina and her sister (Diana?) too!
[QUOTE=Yakob;1324659]The girls talk amongst themselves about their work. Just the same way the men talk about the girls.[/QUOTE]If the girls talk with other girls about their work, they will mainly talk about how much money they make per day or with certain clients. This is definitely not the same way like men in the clubs talk about the girls.
From time to time members express concern about Police raids and discuss the implications etc.
On Saturday night there was a raid on Finca. The reports, based on a Press Release from the Police, on it have been unusually helpful in setting out exactly what happens.
About 150 Police and officials were involved in the raid. They took about three hours to check the i.d. of the 75 people there (clients and workers). It seems no arrests were made, although three people were in possession of some drugs. The purpose of the raid was to check for trafficking. The club does not appear to have received any tip offs in advance.
This seems to have been a typical raid. Checking all was legal. Occasionally raids have some additional purpose (e. g. tax evasion by the clubs, or other criminal activities by the owners etc)
So, if you are caught in a raid, you should be fine so long as you have your i.d. (which you are required to carry at all times in Germany) and patience: maybe not a good idea to be in a club three hours before your flight leaves!
In my limited experience a raid is a firm but ordered (sometimes even polite) process.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1325059]Forget about 5E re girls. Reports on German boards talk about 10. 15 girls max, most of them below 7 in rating. In the FFM area Sharks shouldn't be affected too much by the fair, hotel prices will be above normal, but you can try south of Darmstadt.
HB[/QUOTE]Just returned from World. Monday, Sp 9. Normally slow Monday. No any messe effects. No troubles in booking ETAP in Linden.
I usually prefer the public transport to get to Samya but this time plan to get a rental. I know I will be drinking at the club and sloshed by the time the club closes.
Is it possible to just leave the car parked at the club parking for the night and return the next day.
Hmmm maybe I should just sleep dead drunk in the car and save myself the E100 hotel money for 2 sessions next day. I wonder how they would react if I ran their door bell at 11. 00 AM sharp with a toothbrush in my hand hahaha.
I may hit DUS area and will have few days only. It is a precious little time that I will have.
I never been to PT Dorsten, is it worthwhile spending a day there, compared to ACA, Living Room or Magnum FKK? I see they have porno star visits. Is any of that worthwhile time spent there?
Which FKK would have black African / Dominican type girls? I remember Magnum had last year, don't know if it is still worth visiting that club.
Thanks.
H
[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1327293]Which FKK would have black African / Dominican type girls? I remember Magnum had last year, don't know if it is still worth visiting that club.
H[/QUOTE]Magnum last year? It was opened in 2012.
I've been there few months ago. Yes. There are both black and Caribbean girls there. But I still cannot suggest this club. It is OK for facility and cook-for-order meal, but line up is way below FKK standards.
I know this topic has been discussed before and the last thing I want to do is bore members. Very simply the only windows I have for a trip next time will likely be the period immediately before Christmas or that after possibly up to and including post new year. Now one girl told me Christmas is no problem with regards to girl numbers and lineups as "boys are on their holiday and girls know it" do you all think the week before Christmas would be the most ideal time to visit fkk clubs in frankfurt? I am assuming the period after would be far quieter up to new year and beyond. I could really do with some guidance on this as I want to start booking my tickets early to get the best prices. Any quick revamp on this topic for the 2012 season would be much appreciated as I'm sure eventually someone else will bring it up anyway. Call me an early starter but better to get in earlier etc with regards to flights and the like as a lot can be saved. Many thanks to all.
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1328195]I know this topic has been discussed before and the last thing I want to do is bore members. Very simply the only windows I have for a trip next time will likely be the period immediately before Christmas or that after possibly up to and including post new year. Now one girl told me Christmas is no problem with regards to girl numbers and lineups as "boys are on their holiday and girls know it" do you all think the week before Christmas would be the most ideal time to visit fkk clubs in frankfurt? I am assuming the period after would be far quieter up to new year and beyond. I could really do with some guidance on this as I want to start booking my tickets early to get the best prices. Any quick revamp on this topic for the 2012 season would be much appreciated as I'm sure eventually someone else will bring it up anyway. Call me an early starter but better to get in earlier etc with regards to flights and the like as a lot can be saved. Many thanks to all.[/QUOTE]Mohab,
Are you talking about the weekend of 21 to 23 December as the period before Christmas or are you talking about the weekend of 14 to 16 December?
World Christmas party (and maybe the Oase Christmas party) is 8 December as sometimes the two dates clash.
Indeed the line ups can be still very good the week before Christmas the girls are trying to make the money before they go home. But the line up will thin out closer and closer you get to 24 December. The FKK clubs are closed on 24 December except Palace last year in 2011 was open on 24 December.
If you are looking for an ideal time to visit FKK clubs for line up then the week before Christmas is not that time. Visit during the Messe like Automechanika or Book Fair and the line ups are the biggest with many new girls visiting from other clubs and amateurs working to make money at the busy times. This is like the Polish girls (Olga that Maxime wrote about and I fucked too) who were working just 2 weeks for the Automechanika period).
The period after Christmas is quieter, and it is only really regulars in the clubs. Both girls and boys and the odd girl looking to make money again as they cannot make ends meet. Still you have a good time. Read the reports from that period by RTFF. Use the search function.
I had some really good times in that period since people are relaxed and it is not busy due to the holidays. Be warned that there are times when it is so many men and few girls especially on the festive days themselves as there are many men on holiday wanting to party as you girl said and the girls do not want to work. For example, when VV open on 1 Jan, the management were pleading with girls to come work and offering free entry since they had so many men and few girls in the club. A catastrophe for the men. Palace was similar before Christmas. Guys outnumbered girls. The girls could take their pick of the men.
I myself will not be avoiding the period and I intend to visit before Christmas and after Christmas too since I have time away from work and the clubs are not far.
The week I had in mind was 13/12-20/12. Again these are my holidays I have to work around. Do you think that week would have or contain the minimum damage so as to speak as regards to girl numbers and overall lively atmosphere in the big frankfurt clubs when compared to the week directly before Christmas and the week directly after Christmas?
[QUOTE=StarletVoyager;1328693]The week I had in mind was 13/12-20/12. Again these are my holidays I have to work around. Do you think that week would have or contain the minimum damage so as to speak as regards to girl numbers and overall lively atmosphere in the big frankfurt clubs when compared to the week directly before Christmas and the week directly after Christmas?[/QUOTE]That period 13 to 20 December is fine. Just remember the closer to 24 December the girls start to leave. Since weekend of 22-23 December is just before 24 December I think many girls are gone that weekend for their homes. If they live in Germany (mainly German girls or foreign girls settled in Germany) they may work since they are essentially locals or the girls that cannot afford to go home stay to work.
I think it is lively that week before Christmas since you do get a few men wanting to party as it is Christmas and come after their functions to get some sex and the girls know this. Also th emood is very Christmas too with the decorations. The week after Christmas is certainly a lot more quiet for the girls, but not so for the men as the men are on holiday and have time to fuck. The girls are with family. Anyway you say you not going the week after Christmas so this is no issue for you.
I will not be around the period 13 to 20 December as I have cultural activities to attend to already booked in my calendar. On 21 December I become free to fuck again all the way into the new year and I already plan to be. LOL.
I've just returned from another FKK weeks holidays.
As soon as I get back I start organising another trip.
I'm approaching 50, divorced and single.
When I look at a young woman on the street I am mostly greeted with a sour look or they look.
At the ground. All that is on offer to me now are overweight single mothers, if I get 'Lucky'.
I'm not unattractive it just seems to be the mentality of women where I live, (part of the UK ).
When I step out of my door to work I am in a sea of self important, your not good enough for me.
Corporate bitches.
Sometimes its fun to have a casual chat, drop in that I have just returned from Germany.
(to working class women, like at supermarket check out ).
'Germany, is it expensive? ' 'Depends what you do! ' I'll say back.
I've started to look at women I fancied before I go to Germany when I get back, I ask my self,
Look at them, what did you see in her!
I'm not rich and have age against me, guess I have nothing to offer most calculating women.
I'm not a 'good catch'!
But when I am in an FKK my world changes dramatically. Such beautiful, cute, sexy, hot, fun.
Young women everywhere. I have so much respect for these women much more the the
Corporate working girls I see every day of my working life.
I have to say my last trip was close to the best. I was worried about the Messe swelling clubs but you know what, apart from the hotel prices I think the party atmosphere was great. I never had so much fun.
I'm almost addicted to this now since 2009 when I first discovered FKK.
I started going once a year but now its twice and may even be three times this year.
The good thing is it gives me hope and something to look forward to and helps me stay at the gym.
More often.
Its costing me thousands mind but everything has its price I guess.
So I'll keep going as long as I can afford it, you only live once and I am going to make sure I have as much fun with FKK Angels as I can.
My friends don't get it (they have never come along, its always Amsterdam for them) and word has slipped out where I live about my adventures but I don't give a shit anymore and its a great feeling. If Carlsberg did bordellos.
[QUOTE=Go123; 1328919]When I look at a young woman on the street I am mostly greeted with a sour look or they look at the ground. All that is on offer to me now are overweight single mothers, if I get 'Lucky'.
I'm not unattractive it just seems to be the mentality of women where I live, (part of the UK ).
When I step out of my door to work I am in a sea of self important, your not good enough for me Corporate bitches.[/QUOTE]Well, when you were aged 18 to 23, at which girls did you look then? Preferentially you looked at 50 year old women?
Funny enough, you are 30 years older now, but from inside through your eyes, you still have this hungry look of an adolescent teenager.
But believe me, except you, all other people who can look from the outside at you, clearly see your age. Even the young cute girls in the german FKK-Clubs.
[QUOTE=Go123; 1328919]But when I am in an FKK my world changes dramatically. Such beautiful, cute, sexy, hot, fun. Young women everywhere. I have so much respect for these women much more then the Corporate working girls I see every day of my working life.[/QUOTE]Thirsty pilgrim, welcome to the pilgrimage! You just joined the club of salt water drinkers!
IMHO it is the same like with hotels, restaurants, cars, yachts, whatever. The more you are willing to pay, the better the chances are that you get something really good, or fresh, or new, or outstanding. There you can experience, what you can "have", when you are willing to pay for it!
Isn't it funny that many of us are willing to work in these boring environments with self important, your not good enough for me corporate bitches just to earn enough money to escape to the world of young romanian or bulgarian non-corporate bitches?
The same soul, once again at home, in the normal world, down to earth, is confronted with what "is". Many people have lots of fancy things, but still feel like "poor dogs".
Let's just imagine going to a restaurant and having three extra fine meals during one day! And the next day we go to another town and restaurant and we start the same procedure again. And on the third day again, because we just can't get enough. Because we've heard about these fantastic restaurants, we read all the reports in the internet, and we want to try as many dishes as possible. We even accept that we have to shit and to fart more often than in our normal life.
Sorry, maybe I missed it in your writing, but [B] Respect [/B] For women is based on what fact?
Nick,"Sorry, maybe I missed it in your writing, but Respect For women is based on what fact?"
Its a two way thing. I give and get nothing in return so I stop giving a long time ago except when I go to FKK then I give respect.
I get respect back. I don't expect you to understand my plight. I have a distaste for all corporate types not just the corporate bitches!
That said there are a lot of sound guys that work in that environment its just that some of them are assholes. (I'm not implying anything)
Hope this answers your question.
[QUOTE=Go123; 1328919]As soon as I get back I start organising another trip.
I'm approaching 50, divorced and single.
Its costing me thousands mind but everything has its price I guess.
So I'll keep going as long as I can afford it, you only live once and I am going to make sure I have as much fun with FKK Angels as I can.
My friends don't get it (they have never come along, its always Amsterdam for them) and word has slipped out where I live about my adventures but I don't give a shit anymore and its a great feeling. If Carlsberg did bordellos.[/QUOTE]Alot of us are in the same boat. Half the guys where I work are divorced with kids and paying a grand a month in child support, some have even lost half their pension when they retire to their x-wife and are forced to continue working even though their retirement date has passed. Lots of overweight women with 3 kids are around the corner asking why I don't want to settle down.
I can picture what your doing right now, your thinking about spending that 50 dollar bill in your pocket on something but right before you pull it out you say to yourself "but this will go much farther over in germany". My buddy's are going to a concert and will probably spend 200 300 on the tickets, drinks, hotel room etc and they ask me if I want to join them."sorry, no" is the answer. That 300 is better spent in the clubs.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1329045]My buddy's are going to a concert and will probably spend 200 300 on the tickets, drinks, hotel room etc and they ask me if I want to join them."sorry, no" is the answer. That 300 is better spent in the clubs.[/QUOTE]Hi Breadman,
Everything is relative until you know better, before I knew about FKK, I was willing to pay 300-500+ for escorts, stripsbar+Lapdance+ladydrink.
Now rather spend money on FKKs. But that doesn't stop me from enjoy other things in life also. Like concerts, restaurants.
Cheers,
Nille
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1329014]Well, when you were aged 18 to 23, at which girls did you look then? Preferentially you looked at 50 year old women?
Sorry, maybe I missed it in your writing, but [B] Respect [/B] For women is based on what fact?[/QUOTE]Very bizarre question. Do you really have to explain why you respect another human being? I do respect women, all women, including prostitutes, but I would be at pain to "explain" why.
Hi all,
I just want to give everybody some attention to this girl. I have been visiting her in Austria, in Graz. Meet her in a more high classy bar downtown graz. When I came in the bar, she was sitting somewhere in the corner of the bar, and at once she took my attention. The funny thing, she just looked 1 time at me, and I was sold. She is working independent, and my first impression I thought she is a true classy escort. But now it comes. She is not doing escort in the way as we men all expect. She acompany and is doing Russian style erotic massage, but she picks up her clients in bars and so on. So I ended up after a long and interesting talk with her in my hotelroom and I was give a great massage, with an end explosion I never had before in my life.
So anyone who is interesed, give me a pm and I send you some more interesting facts.
I like to share what I had experienced. From my point view, a girl with a very interesting look and way on how todo business.
[QUOTE=Go123; 1329039]Nick,"Sorry, maybe I missed it in your writing, but Respect For women is based on what fact?"
Its a two way thing. I give and get nothing in return so I stop giving a long time ago except when I go to FKK then I give respect.
I get respect back. I don't expect you to understand my plight. I have a distaste for all corporate types not just the corporate bitches!
That said there are a lot of sound guys that work in that environment its just that some of them are assholes. (I'm not implying anything)
Hope this answers your question.[/QUOTE]First of all, what you are experiencing in FKKs is imo typical for someone who is relatively new to the scene. I remember very well my excitement and the overwhelming experience when I entered the FKK-scene for the first time, then visiting Atlantis in Altenstadt in autumn 2002. Or when I found a forum about paysex and I was reading the reports there for the first time. You might guess, almost 10 years later I have a much more differentiated view. Beyond all the iridescent facets of the FKK-Club scene, one thing is true: the FKK-Clubs are like big market places where you always have to pay, first to get in and then at the boothes again, to get some of the delicious apples and peaches.
I often wonder why it appears to be important for men to talk about "respect" in the context of prostitution, when they talk about prostitutes and sex they pay for with women in FKK clubs or brothels. Often the wish to pay respect to others is an indication of a lack of self-respect. Learn to respect yourself and how to grow old in dignity, that is a big challenge and the biggest gift you can give to yourself.
If you are "giving" and expecting something in return, you are not really giving. Because it could be, that below the surface of giving, you are more needing than giving.
I don't want to confuse buying with "giving", o. K?
What you truly and respectfully give to others is like a present. Even if you don't like the thought, nobody has a claim on gifts!
I recommend this book by Chuck Spezzano for reading: "if it's love, it doesn't hurt!"
Or listen to him, for example:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzMzzJT_LU[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xrlaX99If0[/url]
Since I myself have worked a long time in a very big company, I know the corporate soldiers, both male and female. I even experienced a business unit manager coming from Goldman Sucks.
We all know that we ourselves are good guys! True? But with regards to others, we are not that sure.
And we are pretty sure that there are many assholes out there in this world (located mentally and physically in male or female bodies of others). Some of us even have the wildest dreams about using dirty "assholes". (if you are familiar with Freuds psychoanalysis, you know that "anal" and "money" belong to the same category. The more money involved, the more asshole type of characters will be on that scene)
And that might contribute to explain on a simple base, why "anal" is more expensive than vaginal in FKK-Clubs.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1329193]Very bizarre question. Do you really have to explain why you respect another human being? I do respect women, all women, including prostitutes, but I would be at pain to "explain" why.[/QUOTE]I was wondering why he talks with a lot of disrespect about women in the "normal world", and is full of respect for women from somewhere else in the world he meets in brothels in Germany.
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1329211]I was wondering why he talks with a lot of disrespect about women in the "normal world", and is full of respect for women from somewhere else in the world he meets in brothels in Germany.[/QUOTE]You've made some very astute observations Nick The G. You get guys coming in here talking about "respecting" tutes that suck their nuts and rim their asses, but then they show nothing but disrespect for any other type of woman. Seems to me that if somebody is so bent on "respecting women", then you ought to have that same level of respect all the way around.
And as I have pointed out often in the past, in general "normal society" considers that none of us here "respect" women by mere virtue of the fact that we pay for sex with these poor, abused, enslaved, trafficked women. I clearly don't "buy" normal society's bullshit, but I'm just telling it how sex for pay is viewed by the majority in the "real world".
If you engage in it, then you don't respect the women you pay, you don't respect yourself, and the women don't respect you or themselves either. I know. It's all bullshit. But, I'm just telling it how it is in terms of how mainstream society views prostitution and those who partake in it from all angles.
I wish EVERYBODY, including some mongers here, would just get off of their high horses about who respects women and who does not, and put it on a shelf somewhere. You see, because while you're steady judging everybody else on the matter, somebody else is judging you and concluding YOU don't respect women either Mr. Monger.
Madame Pompadour.
[url]http://www.madame-pompadour.com/[/url]
This is a new club located West of Berlin,
I haven't been there yet, just wondering if someone has visited this club and has some info to share.
The place looks nice. Maybe this could be a new "Villa Vertigo"
NC
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1329211]I was wondering why he talks with a lot of disrespect about women in the "normal world", and is full of respect for women from somewhere else in the world he meets in brothels in Germany.[/QUOTE]Nick I want to first of all thank you for your post, I will listen to the guy you mentioned.
Look its true I do have a chip on my shoulder but I do have integrity and empathy its just it seems to get lost in my every day life where I live.
I am needing you're so right and I have tried to find a partner time and time again.
I can never have the type of Women in my normal life that I can in the FKK.
I know its pay sex but its fulfilling a very important void in my life.
Thanks for the input I must admit to having several large JD's last night so may have come across as a bit of a dick.
Maybe one day I will find the right person and give up my adventures, that would be nice, until then.
[QUOTE=The Cane;1329235]If you engage in it, then you don't respect the women you pay, you don't respect yourself, and the women don't respect you or themselves either. I know. It's all bullshit. But, I'm just telling it how it is in terms of how mainstream society views prostitution and those who partake in it from all angles.[/QUOTE]Sorry, but it isn't all bullshit. It is not either black or white. It's COLOURFUL! And I am not refering to the criminal aspects of the business.
Who needs mainstream society views, as constructed by the media? Our own experience counts! I have my own observations and my own experiences visiting FKK-Clubs over a time range of ten years.
Those of us visiting frequently the FKK-clubs or brothels, who constantly lie to their spouses, children, partners or important others, and use up a lot of time and money just for their own neediness, that's a big flow of disrespect in this world! And this has nothing to do with trafficking, but a lot with emotional abuse.
"splitting"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_[/url]
(psychology)
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1329390]Sorry, but it isn't all bullshit. It is not either black or white. It's COLOURFUL! And I am not referring to the criminal aspects of the business.
I have my own observations and my own experiences visiting FKK-Clubs over a time range of ten years.[/QUOTE]From visiting establishments all over the world. That's why I know that mainstream societal views on this subject, although they may not add up to be total bullshit, are mostly just that.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1329237]Madame Pompadour.
[url]http://www.madame-pompadour.com/[/url]
This is a new club located West of Berlin,
I haven't been there yet, just wondering if someone has visited this club and has some info to share.
The place looks nice. Maybe this could be a new "Villa Vertigo"
NC[/QUOTE]Yeah, looks interesting.
I'll try and go visit in early October. They say they have a lineup of girls but they also accept couples so I don't fully understand how things will work. Someone has to go and have a look. LOL.
At least it's a new place.
Cheers.
Kimino the tourist.
[QUOTE=Kimino;1329541]Someone has to go and have a look.[/QUOTE]Keep in mind that it is not just outside Berlin. It is, according to google maps, a two hour drive on the autobahn. The place definitely has an interesting location but I am not sure that at the moment the line up would be worth the two hour drive. That said I would certainly ride shot gun if Kimino gets a set of wheels.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1329549]Keep in mind that it is not just outside Berlin. It is, according to google maps, a two hour drive on the autobahn. The place definitely has an interesting location but I am not sure that at the moment the line up would be worth the two hour drive. That said I would certainly ride shot gun if Kimino gets a set of wheels.
AM[/QUOTE]Cool!
You are absolutely right, it's far away. I don't have a clue about the area so reading Schonefeld I thought it couldn't be very far, but it is.
We will talk about it!
Ciao.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1329555]Cool!
You are absolutely right, it's far away. I don't have a clue about the area so reading Schonefeld I thought it couldn't be very far, but it is.
We will talk about it!
Ciao.
Kimino[/QUOTE]Ciao.
I'm sure the line-up is not large or great as Artemis,
But the drive is the novelty of new club.
It should accessible within 2H drive west from Berlin. I'm sure there won't be many tourists in that area. You might be the first one from your country visiting the club, LOL.
For people driving from Denmark the club is actually en route to Berlin.
Nille
Some light competition for Artemis.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen; 1329627]Ciao.
I'm sure the line-up is not large or great as Artemis,
But the drive is the novelty of new club.
It should accessible within 2H drive west from Berlin. I'm sure there won't be many tourists in that area. You might be the first one from your country visiting the club, LOL.
For people driving from Denmark the club is actually en route to Berlin.
Nille[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Simex;1329827]Some light competition for Artemis.[/QUOTE]I don't think this new club would be a competitor to Artemis, it's too far away, out on the country side.
And Artemis is strengthened their position with the new construction and will still remain the monopole FKK-club in Berlin. We would like to see some competition but it's not going to happen. Too much money and politics are involved.
[QUOTE=Nille Copenhagen;1329627]I'm sure the line-up is not large or great as Artemis,[/QUOTE]I wish I could be optimistic about the place as it does look to be a nice building and could be a great location for a club. Unfortunately I feel that a two hour drive is just too far to make this an easy Berlin alternative to Artemis (as Oase is to Palace) and I truly wonder where they think they will find their customers. If no customer, the girls will stay away. It would be nice to be proved wrong of course,
I have yet to see any reports on the place on the German forum.
AM
[QUOTE=Catmouse123; 1306701]You europeans are so lucky that you have FKK.
It's just an amazing experience. Plus. 50 euro for 1/2 hour is a total bargain.
It's just truly an incredible experience. You Europeans (especially the Germans) are so lucky![/QUOTE]Agreed. However, note that at FKK Dietzenbach, near Frankfurt, half-hour sessions are just EUR 30. Entrance fee is also just EUR 30. OK, there are only 15 or so girls and the facilities are not as good, but it's a much better price. If one wants the facilities, spend EUR 15 for all day in a spa-also hundreds of nude women walking around.
I occasionally go to Dietzenbach since it is close by. However, even this is too expensive. The Partytreffs (see the forum here in ISG) , mostly in Northrhine-Westphalia, are even better. Entrance fee ranges from EUR 70 to EUR 150, for the whole day, sometimes as much as 17 hours. Unlimited sessions, group sex, several girls with one guy or vice versa. BBBJ is more or less standard. Then there is Partytreff Mettmann where CIM is standard and there are girls who do DFK, deep throat, swallow, anal, stick their tongue in your arse etc, all for no extra fee. Mettmann has genuine nymphomaniacs, all German girls. (While actual forced prostitution is rare, most of the girls in FKK clubs wouldn't be there if they didn't need the money. This is definitely not the case at Mettmann.)
[QUOTE=Angus Magee;1330030]I have yet to see any reports on the place on the German forum.[/QUOTE]Here is an article in German (google trans in chrome browser give you the gist) about the newly opened FKK in a castle about two hours west of Berlin.
[url]http://www.az-online.de/nachrichten/landkreis-stendal/bismark/junge-damen-alten-gemaeuer-2506784.html[/url]
Can't say I am that impressed with the talent shown but then I guess it is still early days.
AM
[QUOTE=SvenFKK; 1331136]Agreed. However, note that at FKK Dietzenbach, near Frankfurt, half-hour sessions are just EUR 30. Entrance fee is also just EUR 30. OK, there are only 15 or so girls and the facilities are not as good, but it's a much better price. If one wants the facilities, spend EUR 15 for all day in a spa-also hundreds of nude women walking around.
I occasionally go to Dietzenbach since it is close by. However, even this is too expensive. The Partytreffs (see the forum here in ISG) , mostly in Northrhine-Westphalia, are even better. Entrance fee ranges from EUR 70 to EUR 150, for the whole day, sometimes as much as 17 hours. Unlimited sessions, group sex, several girls with one guy or vice versa. BBBJ is more or less standard. Then there is Partytreff Mettmann where CIM is standard and there are girls who do DFK, deep throat, swallow, anal, stick their tongue in your arse etc, all for no extra fee. Mettmann has genuine nymphomaniacs, all German girls. (While actual forced prostitution is rare, most of the girls in FKK clubs wouldn't be there if they didn't need the money. This is definitely not the case at Mettmann.) [/QUOTE]Ok, I've read about these Partyreffs things. So far, I've confined myself to only FKKs. By the descriptions of the Partyreffs I read, I have to wonder, are the guys and chicks screwing each other without showering and cleaning up between each coupling? I mean, in the FKKs, both the girl and the guy showers after each "coupling." But these Partyreff things sound like it's a free-for-all orgy with guys just taking turns one after another on the same girls. I'm curious about the hygiene there as compared to the usual FKK practices. I certainly don't want a chick sucking my dick if she just had her tongue in some guy's ass. At least in the FKK, there's at least an expectation that they're using mouth wash between sessions.
I know some of you might say that I should post this question in the Partyreff thread. I'm mainly interested in a comparison between the hygiene between the Partyreff things and the FKKs, so it makes as much sense to post this question here.
I can't imagine the line-ups being all that great in the Partyreffs compared to Oase and Golden Times and places like that. Can anyone here offer any opinions on that? One day, I might want to visit a Partyreff but I don't want to waste my time if all the chicks are just the bottom of the barrel so to speak.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331353]By the descriptions of the Partyreffs I read, I have to wonder, are the guys and chicks screwing each other without showering and cleaning up between each coupling? I mean, in the FKKs, both the girl and the guy showers after each "coupling." But these Partyreff things sound like it's a free-for-all orgy with guys just taking turns one after another on the same girls. I'm curious about the hygiene there as compared to the usual FKK practices.[/QUOTE]It depends somewhat on the club. Many clubs will have group sex where its common for the girls to move on to the next guy immediately or to go double up on the last few guys in play. In a few clubs almost every session is like this, in others its fairly rare. If you don't like that sort of thing either get in the group phase early and get out before the sharing starts or only go for individual sessions.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331353]I can't imagine the line-ups being all that great in the Partyreffs compared to Oase and Golden Times and places like that. Can anyone here offer any opinions on that? One day, I might want to visit a Partyreff but I don't want to waste my time if all the chicks are just the bottom of the barrel so to speak.[/QUOTE]If a girl is very attractive and / or has good people skills, she can make more at an FKK, so FKKs tend to have the more attractive girls with good people skills. Partytreffs tend to have older girls, less attractive girls, girls who cannot or will not get out and hustle up business. Partytreffs are more about quantity than about quality. Look at them as all-you-can-eat buffets where yes often the food is fattier than you'd prefer or just generally not top quality and has generally been on the counter longer than it really should have been but, as Napoleon said, quantity has a quality all its own.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331353]Ok, I've read about these Partyreffs things. So far, I've confined myself to only FKKs. By the descriptions of the Partyreffs I read, I have to wonder, are the guys and chicks screwing each other without showering and cleaning up between each coupling? I mean, in the FKKs, both the girl and the guy showers after each "coupling." But these Partyreff things sound like it's a free-for-all orgy with guys just taking turns one after another on the same girls. I'm curious about the hygiene there as compared to the usual FKK practices. I certainly don't want a chick sucking my dick if she just had her tongue in some guy's ass. At least in the FKK, there's at least an expectation that they're using mouth wash between sessions.[/QUOTE]I would say that for the most part (unless you're speaking about the AO gangbang scene, of which I can't speak) the same level of hygiene is expected. Everyone is directed towards the showers when entering and between sessions. I've had a few stinky twats facing me in GT and Oasis over the years; probably the same in these places. Indeed, the clientele is different, perhaps the girls less ideally-attracive, but in the room they're all do what they need to for your money. Hygiene is a relative thing once you enter the monger world.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1330030]I wish I could be optimistic about the place as it does look to be a nice building and could be a great location for a club. Unfortunately I feel that a two hour drive is just too far to make this an easy Berlin alternative to Artemis (as Oase is to Palace) and I truly wonder where they think they will find their customers. If no customer, the girls will stay away. It would be nice to be proved wrong of course,
I have yet to see any reports on the place on the German forum.
AM[/QUOTE]Looks like a nice place with a large park surrounding the building.
Seems there have been other plans too for this small palace in 2010! As a "Seniorenresidenz", a luxury old people's home
("Alters-Luxus-Apartments").
[url]http://www.openpr.de/news/462060/Neue-Wohnkonzepte-fuers-Alter-Mobilitaet-mit-Web-2-0.html[/url]
(in german)
Photos of the place (Schloß Schönfeld, Altmark) can be found using Google images search, using the keywords "Schloss, Schoenfeld, Altmark"
And here:
[url]http://www.altmarktourismus.de/kulturmark/schloesser/details.php?id=1[/url]
For Google Earth users:
Altitude: 52°36'55. 89"N.
Latitude: 11°44'1. 55"E
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy; 1331353]I know some of you might say that I should post this question in the Partyreff thread. I'm mainly interested in a comparison between the hygiene between the Partyreff things and the FKKs, so it makes as much sense to post this question here.
I can't imagine the line-ups being all that great in the Partyreffs compared to Oase and Golden Times and places like that. Can anyone here offer any opinions on that? One day, I might want to visit a Partyreff but I don't want to waste my time if all the chicks are just the bottom of the barrel so to speak.[/QUOTE]First of all, if you were to post this question in the partytreff section you'd have 20 guys raving about the scene. Better to do it here where you've got a mix of guys who've tried both. I started at the partytreff's when I first started visiting Germany, there would always be a handful of cute young girls here and there at the various clubs. But for the most part your either getting girls past their prime or girls with stretch marks and saggy tits who would find it difficult to make money at a bigger club. As I said though, there might be one girl out of that bunch who could work at an fkk club and might make a few bucks as well. I'm not saying all the clubs are like this, but that's probably going to be the main talent pool you'll be dealing with. If you just spent a grand to fly to europe, you'll probably want to stick to the fkk clubs. If it didn't cost you much to reach germany and you've got no problem fucking the bottom of the barrel then try it out.
Hi all on the forum, am new here and just about to pop my FKK cherry. I will be flying into Frankfurt Germany for a training in November and will be free for a play about Saturday and Sunday, I am thinking of Oases FKK on Saturday and Palace or Manhattan FKK on Sunday. I live in the UK and it's my first FKK experience, but am told it better than LMP for those that are familiar with the UK. Where is best to visit first and where to avoid, read a lot of bad reviews on Palace, but heard they have a lot of 10/10 ladies working there at least 20-30 at one shift, being that I like really fit ladies, is it really fair to miss out on Palace FKK?
Bottom line I need some advice on where to go and have fun after a good week of hard training. I will be using public transport and won't be driving and my hotel will be located in a central location close to the railway station in Frankfurt am Main, so travel by rail will be easy.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1331180]Here is an article in German (google trans in chrome browser give you the gist) about the newly opened FKK in a castle about two hours west of Berlin.
[url]http://www.az-online.de/nachrichten/landkreis-stendal/bismark/junge-damen-alten-gemaeuer-2506784.html[/url]
Can't say I am that impressed with the talent shown but then I guess it is still early days.
AM[/QUOTE]Hi AM,
Thanks a lot for the news. We actually did discuss with if should pay dass Schloss a visit or not,
But now I think should hold our horses until the line-up is good.
NC
If your only free to play on Sat & Sun. My strategy to maximize quality line-up; atmosphere and experience:
1) Saturday. Mainhattan / Palace (Lineup good and good party atmosphere)
2) Sunday. Oase (Lineup good, where as in Palace and Mainhattan Sunday lineup is known to be poor)
I have been to LMP. Is Katie (Kate) the tall stunning blonde Polish bird still partying.
I was her first client on her first day. 3 years back.
Because you're relatively new to the FKK scene, beware of the sharks and upsell in Palace.
[QUOTE=JustinDukeJnr; 1331653]Hi all on the forum, am new here and just about to pop my FKK cherry. I will be flying into Frankfurt Germany for a training in November and will be free for a play about Saturday and Sunday, I am thinking of Oases FKK on Saturday and Palace or Manhattan FKK on Sunday. I live in the UK and it's my first FKK experience, but am told it better than LMP for those that are familiar with the UK. Where is best to visit first and where to avoid, read a lot of bad reviews on Palace, but heard they have a lot of 10/10 ladies working there at least 20-30 at one shift, being that I like really fit ladies, is it really fair to miss out on Palace FKK?
Bottom line I need some advice on where to go and have fun after a good week of hard training. I will be using public transport and won't be driving and my hotel will be located in a central location close to the railway station in Frankfurt am Main, so travel by rail will be easy.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Breadman;1331568]First of all, if you were to post this question in the partytreff section you'd have 20 guys raving about the scene. Better to do it here where you've got a mix of guys who've tried both. I started at the partytreff's when I first started visiting Germany, there would always be a handful of cute young girls here and there at the various clubs. But for the most part your either getting girls past their prime or girls with stretch marks and saggy tits who would find it difficult to make money at a bigger club. As I said though, there might be one girl out of that bunch who could work at an fkk club and might make a few bucks as well. I'm not saying all the clubs are like this, but that's probably going to be the main talent pool you'll be dealing with. If you just spent a grand to fly to europe, you'll probably want to stick to the fkk clubs. If it didn't cost you much to reach germany and you've got no problem fucking the bottom of the barrel then try it out.[/QUOTE]Ok, you've answered my question. No partyreffs for me. I'm not interested in the bottom of the barrel. I can be fairly picky and have had to walk out of FKKs before because I didn't see anything that interested me. For example, earlier this year, I hit Planet Happy Garden and Villa Vertigo and had to leave because I didn't see anything that interested me there. To be fair, I visited both of those places on an afternoon / early evening on a Monday, so I was probably there at the worst possible time. I'm told that those places are much more hopping weekend nights. Both had great facilities and were nice places aesthetically speaking. But I never have a problem finding something that interests me at Oase, Golden Times, or even in Living Room with their slower line-up at the moment. I haven't tried Samya or Acapulco yet, but I will endeavor to add those to my list before year end. Someone on this forum referred to Acapulco as Oase's little sister club. If that appellation has any truth to it, then Acapulco might be a winner for me.
that was me. but please note aca has a non-approach policy. you need to make the first move, not ideal for any novice fkk newbie.
i hated this on my maiden voyage to aca - but with the impressive lineup, i soon warmed to idea....
so the fun and frolic of girls coming up rubbing their tongue, tits and thighs will be non-existance in aca.
it's a like a speed dating venue. girls are sitting by the couch for men to approach them.
you chat and mingle and if you're in doubt, move on to the next welcoming sofa.....
if sit on their sofa without making a move after a while - you will be asked to leave (politely on most occasion)
[quote=ultrahappy;1331733]ok, you've answered my question. no partyreffs for me. i'm not interested in the bottom of the barrel. i can be fairly picky and have had to walk out of fkks before because i didn't see anything that interested me. for example, earlier this year, i hit planet happy garden and villa vertigo and had to leave because i didn't see anything that interested me there. to be fair, i visited both of those places on an afternoon / early evening on a monday, so i was probably there at the worst possible time. i'm told that those places are much more hopping weekend nights. both had great facilities and were nice places aesthetically speaking. but i never have a problem finding something that interests me at oase, golden times, or even in living room with their slower line-up at the moment. i haven't tried samya or acapulco yet, but i will endeavor to add those to my list before year end. someone on this forum referred to acapulco as oase's little sister club. if that appellation has any truth to it, then acapulco might be a winner for me.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy;1331733]. If that appellation has any truth to it, then Acapulco might be a winner for me.[/QUOTE]Aca's a great club, make sure you stock up on 20's since the rate's 40 euro's per half hour.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1331994]Aca's a great club, make sure you stock up on 20's since the rate's 40 euro's per half hour.[/QUOTE]If you use an ATM to withdraw cash, how willing are German banks to break 50 or 100 euro bills into 20's if you are not a customer? I just used 50's in Acapulco and asked for 10 euro change back but it would be easier to have the correct amount.
[QUOTE=Burma Jones;1331997]If you use an ATM to withdraw cash, how willing are German banks to break 50 or 100 euro bills into 20's if you are not a customer? I just used 50's in Acapulco and asked for 10 euro change back but it would be easier to have the correct amount.[/QUOTE]Sometimes you can actually define what denominations are dispensed. But if I know I'll want change, I'll just walk into a bank and used their inside ATMs, then find a helpful staff person and look like the weary, lost traveler. I've always found the germans to be good, helpful people.. ;)
[QUOTE=Woofiee;1332492]Sometimes you can actually define what denominations are dispensed. But if I know I'll want change, I'll just walk into a bank and used their inside ATMs, then find a helpful staff person and look like the weary, lost traveler. I've always found the germans to be good, helpful people. ;)[/QUOTE]My biggest annoyance in berlin was the that every shop demanded the smallest notes possible and the bank machines gave out the biggest they could. Not a big deal really but then berlin is a great place.
[QUOTE=Jock180;1332616]My biggest annoyance in berlin was the that every shop demanded the smallest notes possible and the bank machines gave out the biggest they could. Not a big deal really but then berlin is a great place.[/QUOTE]Agreed, fifty and hundred Euro notes are useful when visiting FKK clubs but not so convenient elsewhere.
I've yet to encounter an ATM that has given me the choice of denomination of notes dispensed; however I always select the English language option. Has any international visitor been given this choice when using the German language menu or is it just an option for the local resident customers of that particular bank?
I've found the rather garish big blue ATMs of the ReiseBank more reliable in giving me at least a selection of tens and twentys compared to those of the other banks.
[QUOTE=Ableyone;1332807]I've yet to encounter an ATM that has given me the choice of denomination of notes dispensed; however I always select the English language option. Has any international visitor been given this choice when using the German language menu or is it just an option for the local resident customers of that particular bank?[/QUOTE]The atm at fkk world allows you to select your denominations. I'm pretty sure that its a Volksbank machine. Lots of VB atm's and im pretty sure they all give you the option to select which notes you prefer.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1332817]The atm at fkk world allows you to select your denominations. I'm pretty sure that its a Volksbank machine. Lots of VB atm's and im pretty sure they all give you the option to select which notes you prefer.[/QUOTE]Thank you Breadman, it looks like I've yet to use a Volksbank ATM, I'll give it a go next time I'm in Germany.
Heya,
Have ou guys ever wondered how many different men does a girl in a fkk fuck in a year?
If a working girl met a guy on a street what are the odds that she has fucked him.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1333986]Heya,
Have ou guys ever wondered how many different men does a girl in a fkk fuck in a year?
If a working girl met a guy on a street what are the odds that she has fucked him.[/QUOTE]Han Solo: "Never tell me the odds."
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1336463]It is sad to read that. This is GT thread but I'd like to ask: are things really so bad in VV now. I used to love this club. But things changed. Any optimistic news from VV?[/QUOTE]Back in the spring gt, lr, vv and phg all raised their entrance to 60 euro's. Now that summer is over and an outdoor pool is of little use, was wondering if this increase has hurt their business?
I'm looking for hotel recommendations in NRW.
West of DUSS (GT, Ying Yang, LR, PHG)
NE of DUSS (ACA, Penelope, Freude, Grimberg).
I prefer chain hotels like Mercure, NH, etc. Over bed and breakfast type places, if possible. You can reply here or PM me.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi; 1337117]I'm looking for hotel recommendations in NRW.
West of DUSS (GT, Ying Yang, LR, PHG)
NE of DUSS (ACA, Penelope, Freude, Grimberg).
I prefer chain hotels like Mercure, NH, etc. Over bed and breakfast type places, if possible. You can reply here or PM me.[/QUOTE]
Etap West Wilich, now called Ibis Budget West Wilich is less than 30 minutes by car from the 4 first clubs you mentioned and less than one hour from the 4 last ones. Google Accor Hotels or Etap Hotels and you will find it. About 39 euros per night. Free wifi and parking but breakfast 6 or 7 euros more. If using public transportation I do not recommend it.
Accor hotels chain include from the lowest to more upscale in this order :Formule One, Etap, Ibis,Mercure, depending on your demands and how much willing to spend.
You may check also http://www.hotelbb.de , good value for money, something between Etap and Ibis.
There are other Accor Hotels closer to the 4 last clubs you mentioned, again same site.
Banana Boi . Best Western in Mettmann is a good location if you have a car. If booked on a no-cancel basis is very good value. It has a 24 hour check-in, which is handy if you are travelling from abroad (or after a long drive etc). Is around 50Euros (without breakfast - which if you are going to clubs you will probably not need). It syas it has free wifi in rooms - in fact ti seems only effective in the lobby (where there is also an internet connected computer available free)
Hey,
I think this is probably the right subforum to post this in but since discovering FKKs about 6 years ago I
Soon found that it was such an addictive experience (in my case Palace since it was right next door to where.
I used to live and work!) that it led, almost, in my case, to financial ruin!
A quick back of the envelope calculation once showed me that I'd spent something in the region of fifteen thousand.
Euros at the place! That sort of shocked me into limiting my FKK visits and although I've continued to visit other FKKs.
I try to limit it now but it is a constant struggle because there is nothing to compare with hot, beautiful, naked women in.
Such an atmosphere all ready to be fucked if you have the money! As Natascha of Palace once said to me, 'No money, no honey!"
Was wondering if others have had similar experiences?
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1333986]Heya,
Have ou guys ever wondered how many different men does a girl in a fkk fuck in a year?
If a working girl met a guy on a street what are the odds that she has fucked him.[/QUOTE]Well, I guess it varies girl to girl but one ex-Palace girl once confided to me that on that day she'd 'sucked 17 cocks'!
If we round it down to 15 just to make the calculation easier and assume a girl only works 5 days a week tha' 5 x 17 = 85 a week.
So 85 x 4 = 340 a month, so 340 x 12 = 4080 a year. Let's round it down to be nice to 4000 (days off, holidays etc.)
4000 a year! Let's take Frankfurt (and assume that most of the customers live there. I know it's not true but we're estimating here). The population of Ffm.
Is about 600, 000. Of these let's say 50% are men so 300, 000 men. I don't know the exact demographics of Ffm but we need to remove those under 18 and over 65.
Using the CIA factbook for Germany and interpolating we can remove another third. So that leaves 200, 000 eligible men in Frankfurt itself. (The greater Ffm metropolitan area.
Is much larger!)
So in very rough terms if you're in the Frankfurt area and you've been to Palace and assuming the girl lives there too (some don't of course) the rough.
Odds of a girl bumping into some guy on the street that she's fucked in the club is 1:50!
If we take the whole of the greater Frankfurt metropolitan area it rises to about 1:600!
So there you go, if we assume Palace is similar to the other big clubs then we can say that the odds of a girl meeting a guy on the street she's met in a FKK already.
Is between 1 in 50 to 1 in 600 which aren't that big odds!
In my case the only time in my life I bumped into a working girl I'd already fucked was in England but she gave me a smile and just walked on. Having said that
I did on a few occassions see girls from Palace on the same U6 as me as I was going to the club!
Hey,
I am planning to stay one night in Stuttgart area later this month, where is the best place to spend my evening? Paradise or Sakura?
[QUOTE=Bobolino; 1337229]Hey,
I am planning to stay one night in Stuttgart area later this month, where is the best place to spend my evening? Paradise or Sakura?[/QUOTE]I vote for paradise. Better line up IMHO
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1337215]Well, I guess it varies girl to girl but one ex-Palace girl once confided to me that on that day she'd 'sucked 17 cocks'!
If we round it down to 15 just to make the calculation easier and assume a girl only works 5 days a week tha' 5 x 17 = 85 a week.
So 85 x 4 = 340 a month, so 340 x 12 = 4080 a year. Let's round it down to be nice to 4000 (days off, holidays etc.) [/QUOTE]I cannot imagine having slept with people in the number of thousands. It would be unlucky for the men who marries these women. 4000 year imagine if she does this for 3 years 12000 in total. Only public toilets could rival their pussies!
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1337211]Hey,
I think this is probably the right subforum to post this in but since discovering FKKs about 6 years ago I
Soon found that it was such an addictive experience (in my case Palace since it was right next door to where.
I used to live and work!) that it led, almost, in my case, to financial ruin!
A quick back of the envelope calculation once showed me that I'd spent something in the region of fifteen thousand.
Euros at the place! That sort of shocked me into limiting my FKK visits and although I've continued to visit other FKKs.
I try to limit it now but it is a constant struggle because there is nothing to compare with hot, beautiful, naked women in.[/QUOTE]I too had that problem. Anyways as for me it seems that say if I don't go there after 2 or 3 months I relize the addiction is minimized
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337457]I cannot imagine having slept with people in the number of thousands. It would be unlucky for the men who marries these women. 4000 year imagine if she does this for 3 years 12000 in total. Only public toilets could rival their pussies![/QUOTE]The flipside: Marry a working girl and you get tons of experience.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1337530]The flipside: Marry a working girl and you get tons of experience.
HB[/QUOTE]Another flip side is that her mouth, pussy or ass has been experinced by China, korean, eurpoean, british, african, indian and pakistani men.
I have to wonder-if a guy really believes that working girls' pussies are "no better than a public toilet" why on earth would you stick your dick in there and pay for the privilege? What does that say about you?
I person's hygiene has to do with how they care for themselves, not how much they use their genitals. If anything I would think many working girls are cleaner, by necessity, than many "civilian" girls. I find the suggestion that wgs are by definition dirty quite offensive.
AM
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337571]Another flip side is that her mouth, pussy or ass has been experinced by China, korean, eurpoean, british, african, indian and pakistani men.[/QUOTE]Where did you come from again?
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1337530]Marry a working girl and you get tons of experience. HB[/QUOTE]Sounds like you were married before you discovered this! LOL!
Now you need tons of money for compensation!
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337571]Another flip side is that her mouth, pussy or ass has been experinced by China, korean, eurpoean, british, african, indian and pakistani men.[/QUOTE]Well yes, that's called the globalization of "Pussy". Proceeding from localized via nationalized to globalized "Pussy". Driven by horny business men and money-needing girls moving / flying around the globe in this PaySex sphere. Or how do you think, chinese, japanese, indian, french, italian, (you name it) guys would meet a girl from Romania in a german FKK-Club?
I find, like in ordinary businesses where many of us earn their income, in brothels and clubs we need professional "Pussy" with years of international experience too!
And we all here are readily willing to contribute to the accumulation of know how gathered by special pussies, be it oral, vaginal or anal experience.
By the way, has anybody thought about where all the dirty thoughts transported into FKK-Clubs and accumulated there will go to or remain? Can you be sure you take all your dirty thoughts again home with you?
Counting holes per day and only dealing with washing the body and the genitals might not take into account the mental infections that take place in the clubs for sure.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337571]Another flip side is that her mouth, pussy or ass has been experinced by China, korean, eurpoean, british, african, indian and pakistani men.[/QUOTE]I don't get, why are you always looking down on the girls and other people?
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?1096-FKK-Oase-Burgholzhausen&p=1335813#post1335813[/url]
You have been in the FKK game for less than a year and now you are all over the place.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?678-Frankfurt&p=1196516#post1196516[/url]
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1337607]Counting holes per day and only dealing with washing the body and the genitals might not take into account the mental infections that take place in the clubs for sure.[/QUOTE]The origin is inside your own right brain.the symbol processor and the principles of evolution which produced it, it's not anywhere outside. Thank god that things can be done openly now in present era of glasnost else the same God or his representativse would have consigned you to thousand hells by now!
[quote=angus magee; 1337577]i have to wonder-if a guy really believes that working girls' pussies are "no better than a public toilet" why on earth would you stick your dick in there and pay for the privilege? what does that say about you?
i person's hygiene has to do with how they care for themselves, not how much they use their genitals. if anything i would think many working girls are cleaner, by necessity, than many "civilian" girls. i find the suggestion that wgs are by definition dirty quite offensive.
am[/quote]i agree, in fact i don't understand why somebody should look down on the service that a wg provide? in my experience i've never had better sex than with wg. i am often more than once very disappointed with "free nice girls" that do bjs in a mechanical way, they should have a speedcourse in bj from the wg at one of the fkks! the rest of the sex is often limited to some 'favorite' positions and so on. no honestly, i would definitely be able to marry a wg withouth hesitation, they have lots of experience and know exactly how to please a man! the hygiene is a personal matter, and the lack of hygiene is more than once experienced with girls that you pick from bars, normal nightclubs etc. most wgs have an impeccable hygiene in my opinion, with some exceptions of course, but then again, they live for this work!
[QUOTE=Praj4;1337622]The origin is inside your own right brain.the symbol processor and the principles of evolution which produced it, it's not anywhere outside.[/QUOTE]Maybe you are a right brain addicted scientist. Tell me, you never observed how girls start to change after some time in a club, with installing SillyCone enhancements and having tattoos all over their body?
That are the results of the "symbol processor and the principles of evolution?" And do you believe that phenomenon is restricted to women?
What about this thing called collective unconsiousness, the mother of all evilution?
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1337688]evilution?[/QUOTE]Typo? Individual unconsciousness?
HB
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337571]Another flip side is that her mouth, pussy or ass has been experinced by China, korean, eurpoean, british, african, indian and pakistani men.[/QUOTE]Come on armpit. How many nationalities has your dikk been "experienced" by? You are in the same boat my friend. Your dikk would not be considered clean by most standards. A clear case of the pot calling the kettle black. I have a lot of respect for these ladies. Most of them are nice and some are real sweethearts. You and I are taking advantage of an economic and cultural phenomenon wherein guys who do not look like Brad Pitt can fukk unbelievably hot women for very affordable prices. Appreciate, do not denigrate.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1337457]I Only public toilets could rival their pussies![/QUOTE]Dude, is it only me or do others find such comments offensive? Those girls are human beings too with feelings. They are providing a (welcome) service and to be honest, if you are so disgusted by them then what are you doing indulging in this hobby?
I would say that the particular girl who told me this story was a really nice human being. I'd be happy to go out with her. Seriously, I know that going to FKKs can really give one a skewed perspective but I never for one try to forget that they are normal human beings just like me and I try to treat every single girl with respect. Maybe that's why I usually get excellent service BTW! Even at Palace which is supposedly full of sharks. Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go at you but it isn't the first time you've made such misogynistic comments. Perhaps you are from a culture which treats women as second-class citizens and working girls as lower than animals?
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Back to your point. Look at it another way. Would you say no to having sex 12 000 times in 3 years and getting paid for it. At even 50 euros a person it works out to be 600K euros!
I wouldn't say no mate!
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1337215]Well, I guess it varies girl to girl but one ex-Palace girl once confided to me that on that day she'd 'sucked 17 cocks'!
If we round it down to 15 just to make the calculation easier and assume a girl only works 5 days a week tha' 5 x 17 = 85 a week.
So 85 x 4 = 340 a month, so 340 x 12 = 4080 a year. Let's round it down to be nice to 4000 (days off, holidays etc.)
4000 a year! Let's take Frankfurt (and assume that most of the customers live there. I know it's not true but we're estimating here). The population of Ffm.
Is about 600, 000. Of these let's say 50% are men so 300, 000 men. I don't know the exact demographics of Ffm but we need to remove those under 18 and over 65.
Using the CIA factbook for Germany and interpolating we can remove another third. So that leaves 200, 000 eligible men in Frankfurt itself. (The greater Ffm metropolitan area.
Is much larger!)
So in very rough terms if you're in the Frankfurt area and you've been to Palace and assuming the girl lives there too (some don't of course) the rough.
Odds of a girl bumping into some guy on the street that she's fucked in the club is 1:50!
If we take the whole of the greater Frankfurt metropolitan area it rises to about 1:600!
So there you go, if we assume Palace is similar to the other big clubs then we can say that the odds of a girl meeting a guy on the street she's met in a FKK already.
Is between 1 in 50 to 1 in 600 which aren't that big odds!
In my case the only time in my life I bumped into a working girl I'd already fucked was in England but she gave me a smile and just walked on. Having said that
I did on a few occassions see girls from Palace on the same U6 as me as I was going to the club![/QUOTE]Why would you do a calculation based on the highest number she has ever sucked? How many girls see 85 guys / week for 4 years? Maybe I am naive so this is a question.
Eight months back or so somebody posted about a new super thin condom they tried out "Pasante Unique condoms". They come in 3 packs and the way you put them on differs from a normal latex condom, these get pulled down by two small tabs (on the tabs it says which side side is the correct side). I had my reservations but figured it was a small bite in my hobby budget for the trip, at a euro a pop they're not cheap. I had to pick and choose the girls I asked if it would be ok to try out the condom, usually with girls I repeated with many times. Only two of the girls asked me to change condoms, probably due to the unique's lack of a rubberband at the base, girls probably thought it unsafe. It looked and felt odd for the first minute until the sex got it warmed up, after some action it really seemed to melt to the skin, almost like shrink wrap. Several times I'd have to check to make sure it was still on, it felt exactly like I was fucking bareback.
I've tried out a variety of thin condoms, these were by far the thinnest I've ever run across. Take for example the crown skinless condoms, they have a thickness of 0. 00185". That seems pretty good until you compare them to the unique's thickness of 0. 00059", about a third the thickness of the crowns. They sure aren't cheap but when your spending as much as we are spending on the hobby, its a drop in the bucket to try out something unique (pun intended). FYI bought them thru ebay, make sure the seller ships them to your address.
[url]http://www.condomdepot.com/reviews/best-condoms.cfm[/url]
[url]http://www.pasante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73&Itemid=75[/url]
[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337722]Why would you do a calculation based on the highest number she has ever sucked? How many girls see 85 guys / week for 4 years? Maybe I am naive so this is a question.[/QUOTE]Hi Smoky! I'm not sure if it is such an exaggeration. Many girls at Palace will start work at around 6 and work till 4 am so that's 10 hours. Even if we say they work for only 8 hours a lot of them will process 2 guys an hour (if not more) so that still makes 16 guys per work day and I based my calculations on 15.
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Of course this is only a mathematical model and makes many assumptions but I'm sure I'm not too far off the true figure. Someone like HB will be able to tell you more!
Some girls of course have their favourite customers whom they'll only wait for and spend X hours with them. Others process a guy every 5 minutes. So as a guestimate I'd be happy with the figures.
[QUOTE=Simex; 1331731]If your only free to play on Sat & Sun. My strategy to maximize quality line-up; atmosphere and experience:
1) Saturday. Mainhattan / Palace (Lineup good and good party atmosphere)
2) Sunday. Oase (Lineup good, where as in Palace and Mainhattan Sunday lineup is known to be poor)
I have been to LMP. Is Katie (Kate) the tall stunning blonde Polish bird still partying.
I was her first client on her first day. 3 years back.
Because you're relatively new to the FKK scene, beware of the sharks and upsell in Palace.[/QUOTE]It's hard to recommend against Oase. I would recommend starting at Oase. If you like it or find a "must repeat" girl, then you can come back the next day. You can hit palace on Sunday and bail to Oase if you don't like the lineup. I spent the first two days of my "virgin" fkk trip at Oase and I did not regret this at all. I could have gone a third day in a row but I had some logistical restraints. You can always branch out later when you come back. If I lived in London I would be a frequent visitor for sure.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1337725]Eight months back or so somebody posted about a new super thin condom they tried out "Pasante Unique condoms". They come in 3 packs and the way you put them on differs from a normal latex condom, these get pulled down by two small tabs (on the tabs it says which side side is the correct side). I had my reservations but figured it was a small bite in my hobby budget for the trip, at a euro a pop they're not cheap. I had to pick and choose the girls I asked if it would be ok to try out the condom, usually with girls I repeated with many times. Only two of the girls asked me to change condoms, probably due to the unique's lack of a rubberband at the base, girls probably thought it unsafe. It looked and felt odd for the first minute until the sex got it warmed up, after some action it really seemed to melt to the skin, almost like shrink wrap. Several times I'd have to check to make sure it was still on, it felt exactly like I was fucking bareback.
I've tried out a variety of thin condoms, these were by far the thinnest I've ever run across. Take for example the crown skinless condoms, they have a thickness of 0. 00185". That seems pretty good until you compare them to the unique's thickness of 0. 00059", about a third the thickness of the crowns. They sure aren't cheap but when your spending as much as we are spending on the hobby, its a drop in the bucket to try out something unique (pun intended). FYI bought them thru ebay, make sure the seller ships them to your address.
[url]http://www.condomdepot.com/reviews/best-condoms.cfm[/url]
[url]http://www.pasante.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=73&Itemid=75[/url][/QUOTE]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1337725]Eight months back or so somebody posted about a new super thin condom they tried out "Pasante Unique condoms". They come in 3 packs and the way you put them on differs from a normal latex condom, these get pulled down by two small tabs[/QUOTE]Hi Breadman,
Are they really good?
If it is like on this video, I'm not convinced,
Will the condom shrinking on your penis when you put it on. Sounds funny.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvyOE1nDcJI[/url]
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[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337731]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?[/QUOTE]I have tried my own condoms but generally girls aren't that happy with this, even ones I have known for a while. They get used to the cheapo house ones and don't like to vary.
I broke one Pasante Unique so I can't recommend them.
[QUOTE=London Traveller;1337738]I have tried my own condoms but generally girls aren't that happy with this, even ones I have known for a while. They get used to the cheapo house ones and don't like to vary.[/QUOTE]If they've been sitting around waiting for someone to take them to the room, they're usually pretty open to using any condom. I'd ask them if I could use my own condom at the same time I was asking them if they'd like to go to the room. You make them think the request for the room hinges on their answer on the condom.
[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337731]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?[/QUOTE]If you want to try true 'ultrathin' condoms you'll want to go to the non-latex condoms. Durex ultrathins are still latex. Someone mentioned that sagami original 0. 02 are a good choice. Yeah, the pasante unique's are 'saran wrappish' at first but once they get warmed up they are incredible. Yes, the girls did look on with some skepticism when I pulled out the condom, but all of them went along for the ride once it was rolled on. And again, I only used them with girls that I repeated with before. The durex ultrathin condoms are 55 microns thick, the sagami's are 20 microns thick and the pasante unique condoms are 15 microns thick. Sagami's are over 2 bucks each, I just bought some pasante unique's for just over a buck each.
The pasante unique condoms come in a 3 pack. They also have these two pull tabs that have "this end out" stickers on them. Once you get ahold of the tabs, the condom rolls on much easier and faster than a normal condom. Half a second. Great for those who lose wood easily if the girl starts to fumble. Odd thing though is the base doesn't have a rubber band, they are designed to mold to the skin and not move once heated up. Never had any issues with them trying to roll up or fall off. Not having that rubber band cinched around the base of the penis actually increased the bareback sensation. They're worth trying out.
[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337731]This is a great topic. The condoms that the girls use at FKK's are clearly the cheapest they can get. It's like wearing one of those rubber thimbles over a finger to help with paperwork. For me, the pasante looks a bit too saran wrappish and I don't want to freak the girls out. How many of you take your own condoms to a FKK, and what brand do you like? Any experience with the Durex ultrathins?[/QUOTE]I take my own and use unlubricated "Kimono Microthins Large". For me, the large size is just as important as thinness because regular condoms pinch and hurt The Cane, and I don't like that. Ouch! I generally don't have a problem getting the girls to accept my condoms anywhere I go. I can only recall a couple of instances where somebody objected out of the many girls I have been with.
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[QUOTE=Nick The G;1337688]evilution?[/QUOTE]Typo? Individual unconsciousness? HB[/QUOTE]No, that expression was given birth by the collective unconsciousness through many human beings!
Unfortunately I wasn't the first one to have this idea for "evilution"
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evilution[/url]
[url]http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Evilution[/url]
Nor did I succeed with SillyCones.
[url]http://sillycone.myshopify.com/[/url]
[url]http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=silly[/url]
%20cones.
[url]http://www.justbreastimplants.com/forum/breast-augmentation-stories/150172-silly-cones-silicones.html[/url]
[QUOTE=Smoky Jack;1337718]I have a lot of respect for these ladies. Most of them are nice and some are real sweethearts. You and I are taking advantage of an economic and cultural phenomenon wherein guys who do not look like Brad Pitt can fukk unbelievably hot women for very affordable prices. Appreciate, do not denigrate.[/QUOTE]Thank you for your sentiments Smoky Jack. I'm glad you spoke up. Most fkk girls are the sweetest, kindest girls I've ever met. The service levels are often astoundingly high. They deserve a lot of respect. They've got a tough job and most of them do their job really well. I know I'd have a hard time shagging fat, ugly chicks if the roles were reversed and I found myself in dire economic circumstances.
It's a real wonder we don't see even more sharky behavior among the girls with all the jerks they have to put up with at the club and with all of the mistreatment they must have to put up with. Now I'm sure there are plenty of nice guys out there, but at the same time, I'm sure that they run across some really foul men while we pick and choose our favorites.
When folks unnecessarily denigrate our kind ladies on this forum, it not only reflects poorly on the community as a whole but also on the author who posts such things.
Please think carefully before writing unnecessarily insulting things about our kind female friends.
Thank you for allowing me this intermission but this needed to be said. Now back to our regularly scheduled programming.
I got a bunch of pm's asking me where I found these, here's some links on ebay that I found. Ebay seemed to have trouble finding these if you used the regular search on their website, I used google. All different sellers, rates etc.
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/380190396857?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url]
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-PASANTE-UNIQUE-Non-Latex-Condoms-4-69-incl-P-P-/280659288848?pt=UK_Health_HealthCare_RL&hash=item415898e310[/url]
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Pasante-UNIQUE-THINNEST-Non-Latex-Condoms-Fast-Post-/300598893382[/url]
[url]http://stores.ebay.com/Rubber-Soul-Shop/Pasante-Unique-/_i.html?_fsub=879725016[/url]
[QUOTE=Breadman;1338244]I got a bunch of pm's asking me where I found these, here's some links on ebay that I found. Ebay seemed to have trouble finding these if you used the regular search on their website, I used google. All different sellers, rates etc.[/QUOTE]These are non-lated, but strange as they are loose-fitting and rustle like an shopping bag. You really need to use a lubricant inside and out or it'll just be a strange experience.
If you're looking for a non-latex, non-membrane condom (who in their right mind still uses lambskin? Too many, it seems.) my preference is the Sagami. 02, in Europe also known under the Protex 02 name.
[url]http://www.condom-sizes.org/thinnest-condoms/thinnest-condoms[/url]
Fits like a normal condom, comes in a little cup and is easy to get on, but with a little lube it'll transfers heat so it's like nothing's on. Guaranteed perfect heat transfer. I discovered them in Singapore and can recommend them highly.
[QUOTE=Woofiee; 1338261]These are non-lated, but strange as they are loose-fitting and rustle like an shopping bag. You really need to use a lubricant inside and out or it'll just be a strange experience.
If you're looking for a non-latex, non-membrane condom (who in their right mind still uses lambskin? Too many, it seems.) my preference is the Sagami. 02, in Europe also known under the Protex 02 name.
Fits like a normal condom, comes in a little cup and is easy to get on, but with a little lube it'll transfers heat so it's like nothing's on. Guaranteed perfect heat transfer. I discovered them in Singapore and can recommend them highly.[/QUOTE]Not sure you'd want a lubricant inside, otherwise they'd just slip off. Using lubricant outside would be ok. As to being loose-fitting, they were perfect once they shrunk with some sex. I'll try the sagami's as well but they're going for 31 USD for 12 (26 plus 5 for shipping). They also have a 'L' larger size, those are about the same price.
You listed the normal size sagami's with a width of 56. 5mm. The large sagami's and the pasante's width are both 60mm. And these condoms don't stretch like a latex condom. Issue with buying condoms made in japan is they might be too small for most guys on this board. So some of the guys might want to consider buying the larger sagami's.
[QUOTE=London Traveller;1337738]I have tried my own condoms but generally girls aren't that happy with this, even ones I have known for a while. They get used to the cheapo house ones and don't like to vary.[/QUOTE]I find I forget that I have my own condoms in the valuables locker and also I forget to ask the girl to use them. Also, it hard to keep a stash of condoms in a pouch in your towel when you may want them. Hessen dress has a downfall in this regard.
This is why specialised towels with a pocket is helpful. I see some Italian men that have specialised towels that they wear in the Hessen FKKs that contain a pocket. They professional I think.
Only club I see where the house provides towels with pockets in them for the men to wear around their waist Hessen style is at Das 5 Element near Fulda.
Regarding, the hookers allowing you to wear your own condoms rather than the usual London branded comdoms has been 50:50 when I have organised to bring them along with me to the room. My favourite girls invariably allow them mainly.
When you use the ultra thin condoms you do get the girl sometimes saying it does feel very different, like they can feel your hard cock or it feels like there is little or no condom there. So the feeling is mutual and not one way.
Hi all,
First of all I introduce myself, I'm Italian, I am thirty years old and, I live and work in Italy.
I wanted to briefly share my past experiences in the fkk in Frankfurt.
I was in August, and I turned Oase, World and Shark.
At Oase I had pleasant knowledge with the beautiful Iasmine (Iasmin? Jasmine? No problem,"fantasy name"! ) , Romanian girl very young, which is about 1. 70 and a beautiful "B-side". I've been with her for an hour for a good performance.
Raluca, a girl now "historical" local, always very good, and one of my favorites, Mary, a young Romanian hair blacks and lean, very good and nice.
At the World I tried my "friend" Sonia, Rumanian not beautiful, but sincerely nice and fun, with her I always enjoy, I had met her last year.
Larissa, a beautiful Romanian girl, blonde with a beautiful body, it was his first day of work. I'm fallen in love . For 30 minutes!
Finally, by the bad day I was with a girl with breasts silicone, very flashy, blonde, told me to be African, I do not remember the nationality. Not the best, but sure I I still enjoyed it.
I tried at the FKK Shark a beautiful young girl, always Romanian, calls himself Eve. Hair blacks, thin, not very tall, beautiful face, beautiful body, very young, about 20 years. I went with her about an hour and a half! : P Then in my second visit to the local unfortunately I have not see her! : Someone, by the name and description, can help me telling me would know if now is whether or not the club?
I have tried other girls at the local level, but the names are often in trouble, remember them.
I really liked a blond girl, German surely, also here unfortunately can not remember the name! Someone can help me?
Daria, blonde Romanian girl, very nice and friendly, also at the end I could not go there! _
Instead I went with Alexandra / Aida (She told me two different name in the same day! .) , goes by both names, I found myself very well. Romanian too, of course, blacks hair with bangs, a beautiful natural breasts, unfortunately has a few extra pounds on the Bside, but it is not something that I'm very sorry. I found myself very well, I've been with her two hours. And it is also very nice! .
I would really like to see her again. Can you tell me whether you are currently working on?
If all goes well I should be able to return to Frankfurt at the end of this month, start of Novemeber.
Another question: do you recommend at this time World or Oase? Since my last visit I would say World!
Thank you all for letting me read, I hope it was not boring, and I hope to receive comments and feedback.
Thank you all.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1338453]I find I forget that I have my own condoms in the valuables locker and also I forget to ask the girl to use them. Also, it hard to keep a stash of condoms in a pouch in your towel when you may want them. Hessen dress has a downfall in this regard.[/QUOTE]I like Oase's setup in that your walking by the lockers if you grab the girl in the main room AND remember to ask her if you can use your own condoms. If you smoke then you can keep them with yours smokes. The other thing to consider is the temperment of the girl, you don't want to ruin a session over a condom issue.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1338244]I got a bunch of pm's asking me where I found these, here's some links on ebay that I found. Ebay seemed to have trouble finding these if you used the regular search on their website, I used google. All different sellers, rates etc.
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/380190396857?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649[/url]
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-PASANTE-UNIQUE-Non-Latex-Condoms-4-69-incl-P-P-/280659288848?pt=UK_Health_HealthCare_RL&hash=item415898e310[/url]
[url]http://www.ebay.com/itm/6-Pasante-UNIQUE-THINNEST-Non-Latex-Condoms-Fast-Post-/300598893382[/url]
[url]http://stores.ebay.com/Rubber-Soul-Shop/Pasante-Unique-/_i.html?_fsub=879725016[/url][/QUOTE]I am thinking of buying this. Is it safe for a girl to give me blowjob when I am using this?
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1337720]Dude, is it only me or do others find such comments offensive? Those girls are human beings too with feelings. They are providing a (welcome) service and to be honest, if you are so disgusted by them then what are you doing indulging in this hobby?
I would say that the particular girl who told me this story was a really nice human being. I'd be happy to go out with her. Seriously, I know that going to FKKs can really give one a skewed perspective but I never for one try to forget that they are normal human beings just like me and I try to treat every single girl with respect. Maybe that's why I usually get excellent service BTW! Even at Palace which is supposedly full of sharks. Sorry if it sounds like I'm having a go at you but it isn't the first time you've made such misogynistic comments. Perhaps you are from a culture which treats women as second-class citizens and working girls as lower than animals?
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Back to your point. Look at it another way. Would you say no to having sex 12 000 times in 3 years and getting paid for it. At even 50 euros a person it works out to be 600K euros!
I wouldn't say no mate![/QUOTE]I have been out of line when I put up that comment. I shall not repeat that again. If I do repeat that again I shall receive 100 good spanking from my loverboy nile copenhagen.
[QUOTE=The Nameless; 1338460]At the World I tried my "friend" Sonia, Rumanian not beautiful, but sincerely nice and fun, with her I always enjoy, I had met her last year.
Larissa, a beautiful Romanian girl, blonde with a beautiful body, it was his first day of work. I'm fallen in love. For 30 minutes!
I really liked a blond girl, German surely, also here unfortunately can not remember the name! Someone can help me?
Thank you all.[/QUOTE]Thank you for the omnibus report The Nameless.
Sonia at the World is always a good bet even though she is not the youngest and prettiest girl in the club. She cares about giving the good service and she does a lot of things for the man like rimming.
You must have seen Larissa in last week of August then since this is when Larissa start working as a hooker and World was her first club. Larissa is still at World as I saw her this week. Larissa she fuck like you her boyfriend since she not professional but she getting more and more as she changes her look and try to don the styling of the courtesan of the night. We all fall in love for the 30 minutes and then we hand over the euro and then we move on.
Maybe German blond girl at Sharks was Agina? She has long blond hair, slim, maybe B cup breasts and cute brown eyes.
[QUOTE=Amriptna111;1338516]I have been out of line when I put up that comment. I shall not repeat that again. If I do repeat that again I shall receive 100 good spanking from my loverboy nile copenhagen.[/QUOTE]I would love to spank you. I'm into light S / M as well. LOL
There is a FKK-Club near Freiburg called FKK-Palast. I have never been there.
On the past weekend, they had a blow job contest on their first anniversary.
Two videos of this event are online now and can be seen by everyone worldwide.
If you like to watch how cocks of others are sucked, and which ladies won prices, you will enjoy!
[url]http://www.fkk-palast.com/news-blowjobcontest.php[/url]
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1338337]Not sure you'd want a lubricant inside, otherwise they'd just slip off. Using lubricant outside would be ok. As to being loose-fitting, they were perfect once they shrunk with some sex. I'll try the sagami's as well but they're going for 31 USD for 12 (26 plus 5 for shipping).
You listed the normal size sagami's with a width of 56. 5mm. The large sagami's and the pasante's width are both 60mm. And these condoms don't stretch like a latex condom.[/QUOTE]I just grabbed the first Sagami I could find online; not sure what version I've been using but the fit is perfect. I've never had a problem with a little lube inside, but I should have mentioned it's usually just a tiny bit around the head and top of the shaft. I'm not talking about greasing it up like a bunch of college kids heading towards a phone booth, but juuuust a little to transfer heat.
They don't stretch, that's true. They hang on throughout, which the girls really like and make repeat plays a bit less frenetic.
[QUOTE=Woofiee;1338789]I've never had a problem with a little lube inside, but I should have mentioned it's usually just a tiny bit around the head and top of the shaft.[/QUOTE]Sorry, was talking about the Pasante Uniques that I was using, those don't have traditional rubber bands at the base like normal condoms (they are held in place when the condom shrinks with the pussy heat).
[QUOTE=CaptCabin;1338473]I am thinking of buying this. Is it safe for a girl to give me blowjob when I am using this?[/QUOTE]Perfectly safe but you would probably want to buy the non-lubricated condoms.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1338614]Thank you for the omnibus report The Nameless.
Sonia at the World is always a good bet even though she is not the youngest and prettiest girl in the club. She cares about giving the good service and she does a lot of things for the man like rimming.
You must have seen Larissa in last week of August then since this is when Larissa start working as a hooker and World was her first club. Larissa is still at World as I saw her this week. Larissa she fuck like you her boyfriend since she not professional but she getting more and more as she changes her look and try to don the styling of the courtesan of the night. We all fall in love for the 30 minutes and then we hand over the euro and then we move on.
Maybe German blond girl at Sharks was Agina? She has long blond hair, slim, maybe B cup breasts and cute brown eyes.[/QUOTE]Yakob thanks for having responded to my post,
Yes, I wrote that I went last August, and I met Larissa in August I was towards the end of August when I found Larissa at the World. She so lovely! .
The blonde girl in the Shark I do not know what it's called, is likely what you say, she's blonde, slim, beautiful body perfect B-side, nice and small breasts, normal anyway.
Do you know Aida / Alexandra of Shark? Do you know if there is? I should, I hope, go to end of the month or beginning of November, I'd like to find her.
If I send email to clubs asking for the presence of some girls I wished them exactly?
Thank you
Guys, I'm searching for persian / iranian girls in Frankfurt FKKs. Do we have lovelies from the Axis of Evil available in Hessen?
[QUOTE=Zimmerbaby;1338916]Guys, I'm searching for persian / iranian girls in Frankfurt FKKs. Do we have lovelies from the Axis of Evil available in Hessen?[/QUOTE]Shirin in oase. She is really evil. Does anal and DP. I have seen her taking 2 guys at once into the room!
[QUOTE=Breadman;1338834]Sorry, was talking about the Pasante Uniques that I was using, those don't have traditional rubber bands at the base like normal condoms (they are held in place when the condom shrinks with the pussy heat).[/QUOTE]Hi does the pasente really has the rustling sound thingy. Have you used durex featherlite? How would it compare to pasente in terms of sensation?
I read mixed reviews on pasante? Does it break easily?
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1338927]Hi does the pasente really has the rustling sound thingy. Have you used durex featherlite? How would it compare to pasente in terms of sensation?
I read mixed reviews on pasante? Does it break easily?[/QUOTE]The durex featherlite is 55 microns thick, the pasante unique is 15 microns thick. Seems every condom manufactured out there is claiming their condoms are the thinnest. I had no problem with them breaking. They are designed to shrink when heated up via sex, so any rustling sound goes away pretty quickly. As Woofie pointed out below, your next best option are the sagami's. There are several other japanese brands that are 20 microns thick but most of those are 'smaller sized'.
The sensation is amazing. You roll this onto your dick in under a second, it starts to shrink a bit as soon as you get it on. By the time you've done a few pumps it shaped itself perfectly around your dick and you can feel everything and the heat transfer is amazing. You find mixed reviews on every condom, same with this one. Nice thing is they come in small packs, think about how much you spend at the clubs. Drop in the bucket. Try them out, buy some sagami's as well and compare.
Thank you Amriptna111.
Here is a video on YouTube about the Pasante condom, gives quite a good idea of how it looks and sounds:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvyOE1nDcJI[/url]
[quote=nille copenhagen;1338658]i would love to spank you. I'm into light s / m as well. Lol[/quote]fat old pervert!
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1339303]Here is a video on YouTube about the Pasante condom, gives quite a good idea of how it looks and sounds:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvyOE1nDcJI[/url][/QUOTE]I don't like the looks or "sound" of that at all. Also think a LOT of girls would be concerned with the fit (or lack there of) around the base. Anybody got any clips on the Sagami brand?
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1339303]Here is a video on YouTube about the Pasante condom, gives quite a good idea of how it looks and sounds:
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvyOE1nDcJI[/url][/QUOTE]Just goes to show you, don't use on a screwdriver and expect your blowup doll to complain about chafing.
Here's another video, made from at-10 resin.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxjEixxjtIY
there also seems to be different packaging depending on the country (including germany). I wouldn't mind trying out the 'unique pulls' in the video above.
http://www.condomcard.com/indexeng.html
it seems that there is no thread that mongers share on the secrets or rather the unwritten law among the ladies of the night. perhaps we could too should talk like the girls would talk with mongers. some of the things i have gathered from oase girls (well most romanian and maybe 2 moldovan) :-
a) the german girls are snobs towards the romanian and secretly they hate each other.
b) no 1 rule never steal a customer but you can steal a regular.
c) the girls have sort of a list (well she said they know) which client has a lot of money and spend on a regular basis.
d) most girls (well actually all the girls i talked with) say they feel nothing with the client. sex feels nothing. talk is also nothing. just get in spend 15 minutes then 50 euro.
the) interesting to wht i read in report here. the girls don't want to cum not because they don't want to feel tired or anything but inside their mind they want this to be bussiness and not pleasure. the men are not their lovers and they are just pr0stitute. so sex is not meant to be enjoyed. the girls would call sex as "fuck" simply because it is just an action. they feel it is stupid when men ask them to make love because there is no love just fuck.
e) most girls prefer young fat men compared to old men. young fat men don't smell and can't fuck long and usually gentle.
f) the girls know most men lie about their occupation and marital status. one girl told me she had a client who says he is a doctor and she saw him in the city as a cab driver (he sees her every month though).
g) old men have weird fantasies and it scares the girls especially young ones. some fantasy that i have heard is choking the girl ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fantasy) , asking the girl for rimming, fingering the mans bum hole (50 euro for this service) , spanking the girl on his lap and the most bizarre a guy actually as a girl to fart on his face lol. wth rite!
anyway those are some weird or talks i had with a working girl. i don't know if others find it amusing or not but if you want to share some experience please do. lol.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1339595]Just goes to show you, don't use on a screwdriver and expect your blowup doll to complain about chafing.
Here's another video, made from at-10 resin.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CxjEixxjtIY[/url]
There also seems to be different packaging depending on the country (including germany). I wouldn't mind trying out the 'unique pulls' in the video above.
[url]http://www.condomcard.com/indexeng.html[/url][/QUOTE]Just a question on this thread. Do FKK girls allow you to bring / use your own condoms or would they prefer to use what they know and trust. I could imagine that they might be quite suspicious (and rightly so) of customers own offerings.
Looking forward to hearing about your experiences.
Mainboy
[QUOTE=Mainboy; 1339837]Just a question on this thread. Do FKK girls allow you to bring / use your own condoms or would they prefer to use what they know and trust. I could imagine that they might be quite suspicious (and rightly so) of customers own offerings.
Mainboy[/QUOTE]Until last trip I was satisfied with the condoms the girl provided. Its unrealistic to bring your own condoms for an entire trip, I brought a couple of the thin condoms and had no issue with most of the girls that let me use it. But I did pick and choose the girls I asked, trying to stick to girls I've been with before. I might have had an issue walking up to new girls and asking to use my own condom. Question becomes 'just how many condoms can you pack in your suitcase before being labeled a sex tourist'?
[QUOTE=Breadman;1339936]Its unrealistic to bring your own condoms for an entire trip . Question becomes 'just how many condoms can you pack in your suitcase before being labeled a sex tourist'?[/QUOTE]I don't know why you would say this. I bring enough of my own condoms for an entire trip all the time. I would say that the girls are never "suspicious". I mean, why should they be? I bring my own because they're the ones that I like, and that's it. Rarely ever do I "ask for permission" either. I'll keep a few in my robe, and just lay them out when we get into the room. Typically, the girls will just say something like,"Oh, you're ready with your own". Sometimes, they might ask for one if it's a brand they don't know. And sometimes I will let them have one, but usually I don't LOL! And as far as being branded a "sex tourist" because of the number of condoms I have in my bag, well that just makes me laugh out loud LOL! If confronted, after I finished laughing, I would say that I didn't know it was a crime to fuck a lot! LOL! I thought they were supposed to be screening for terrorists by looking for plastic explosives, not for condoms that I put on my dick!
[QUOTE=Mainboy; 1339837]Just a question on this thread. Do FKK girls allow you to bring / use your own condoms or would they prefer to use what they know and trust. I could imagine that they might be quite suspicious (and rightly so) of customers own offerings.
Looking forward to hearing about your experiences.
Mainboy[/QUOTE]My first try I brought my own but all girls said no. I tried a few times after that only we girls I have seen multiple times
[quote=captcabin; 1339655]c) the girls have sort of a list (well she said they know) which client has a lot of money and spend on a regular basis.
d) most girls (well actually all the girls i talked with) say they feel nothing with the client. sex feels nothing. talk is also nothing. just get in, spend 15 minutes, then 50 euro.
the) interesting to wht i read in report here. the girls don't want to cum not because they don't want to feel tired or anything but inside their mind they want this to be bussiness and not pleasure. the men are not their lovers and they are just prostitute. so sex is not meant to be enjoyed. the girls would call sex as "fuck" simply because it is just an action. they feel it is stupid when men ask them to make love because there is no love just fuck.
g) old men have weird fantasies and it scares the girls especially young ones. some fantasy that i have heard is choking the girl ([url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] fantasy) , asking the girl for rimming, fingering the mans bum hole (50 euro for this service) , spanking the girl on his lap and the most bizarre a guy actually as a girl to fart on his face lol. wth rite!
anyway those are some weird or talks i had with a working girl. i don't know if others find it amusing or not but if you want to share some experience please do. lol.[/quote]every single point you mentioned in your list is quite normal business in paysex. and i would guess, in about 98% of the cases an appropriate description.
but hey, i'm sure you heard about these guys, or you read their reports, who again and again write that they are so good performers when licking pussies, most girls can't resist / escape their militant tongue, coerced orgasm guaranteed, everytime! lol!
want more stories about bizarre action? just imagine a guy persuading "his" woman to perform a colonic irrigation before he goes with her to the room because he wants to fuck her barebone anally. (at least she cannot get pregnant this way!)
some guys, mostly regulars in the clubs, spend an awful lot of money and time to "work on the girls" to persuade them to allow barebone fucks. (advantage: no more need to worry about thickness or type of condom)
[QUOTE=Breadman;1339936]Question becomes 'just how many condoms can you pack in your suitcase before being labeled a sex tourist'?[/QUOTE]I usually have several condom boxes of 12 in my FKK visit tolietries bag. You never know how many you will need. I rather have too many than not enough.
Even when I go out on a normal date I will have some. I am forever the optimist :-)
[QUOTE=Nick The G;1340306]Some guys, mostly regulars in the clubs, spend an awful lot of money and time to "work on the girls" to persuade them to allow barebone fucks. (advantage: no more need to worry about thickness or type of condom)[/QUOTE]It cheaper to go to bareback sex clubs. You know you are onto a winner then.
I've been to a lot of FKK sessions and am quite experienced but despite being offered.
Anal numerous times I've always declined for this reason: won't my cock be covered in shit.
After I pull out?
Or do the girl's always perform colonic irrigation / give themselves enemas before working?
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[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1340327]I've been to a lot of FKK sessions and am quite experienced but despite being offered.
Anal numerous times I've always declined for this reason: won't my cock be covered in shit. After I pull out? Or do the girl's always perform colonic irrigation / give themselves enemas before working?[/QUOTE]Given the large number of women I've butt fucked in my life, I've had amazingly good success here. I can count on one hand the number of bad experiences. I don't know what the girls are doing, but I imagine that the ones who cornhole the most prepare themselves properly. But the thing that I've learned over the years is that if you intend to fuck a lot of pretty girls in the ass, then you got to take a little shit every now and then! Hahaha! Honestly though, that's been a rare "side effect" that I've encountered over the years. If it happened a lot, then I'm sure that would have cured me of being the butt hole lovin' monger that I am a long time ago LOL!
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006;1340327]I've been to a lot of FKK sessions and am quite experienced but despite being offered anal numerous times I've always declined for this reason: won't my cock be covered in shit after I pull out? Or do the girl's always perform colonic irrigation / give themselves enemas before working?[/QUOTE]Why would your cock be covered in shit? Are you expecting the girls allow anal bareback style on the pretence that anal sex, she will not get pregnant? Wear a condom.
Also, the girls wipe their ass after they take a shit and then bath. I do too. You want to make sure you ass is nice and clean for the girl to rim and lick your asshole with her lips and tongue.
Only one one occasion I did a FKK girl (I forgot her name) it slowly started to smell. Like something rotten. It was definetly her ass and sex then excuse herself to go to the loo. Came back and told me she bled a little and could not carry on the anal. But she was an honest h00ker as when I wanted to pay her for anal she declined and said the deed wasnt done. I was surprised but I did tip her 50 euro caused I did perform anal. Nice girl. Saw her only once in oase.
No visible shit but the smell was enough to kill the mood!
[QUOTE=Sybarite2006; 1340327]I've been to a lot of FKK sessions and am quite experienced but despite being offered.
Anal numerous times I've always declined for this reason: won't my cock be covered in shit.
After I pull out?
Or do the girl's always perform colonic irrigation / give themselves enemas before working?
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Is it me or after reading this forum for the last few years I hear more and more stories of Sharking. Why are the clubs not doing more to address this situation. Surely if they do nothing it will just get worse and worse. Is this the demise of the true FKK scene. To be honest I'm slowly getting put off going to these clubs anymore for fear of having to deal with the bullsh*t. Perhaps its time someone re-invented the FKK club and set up up something new which has a fixed price list. Even if they charged a little more it would probably save everyone a little more money in the long run. Any thoughts on this would be interesting.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1340321]It cheaper to go to bareback sex clubs. You know you are onto a winner then.[/QUOTE]True, but that is a different story of the progression from "loser" to "pseudo-winner"!
The men want to persuade "their" girls in "their" club to do something for them, that other customers (the Others) will not get. I suppose, that is the prerequisite, that's the kick they need. If every women there provides bareback fucks, WTF should be so tempting for [B]these men[/B] To do it there?
Cheeky Dancer. I doubt whether there is more sharking (but then again I have not been to Palace or Oase for years). It is not so hard to avoid sharks if you really want. Just take your time and watch before going to a room. A good FKK is somewhere where you should be able to take your time.
I think there is less bullshit in an FKK than in many offices, and certainly less bullshit than in the sales techniques of multinational companies.
And bear in mind that the girls also have to put up with a lot of bullshit from some rather weird customers.
So. Just go to an FKK and use your brain. Good luck
Nick - our resident psychoanalyst!!. And what happens when the girls do what we and they subconsciously want? Then we have a whole new game of life. Cheers.
[QUOTE=CheekyDancer;1340570]Is it me or after reading this forum for the last few years I hear more and more stories of Sharking. Why are the clubs not doing more to address this situation. Surely if they do nothing it will just get WORSE AND WORSE. Is this the demise of the true FKK scene. To be honest I'm slowly getting put off going to these clubs anymore for FEAR of having to deal with the bullsh*t. Perhaps its time someone re-invented the FKK club and set up up something new which has a fixed price list. Even if they charged a little more it would probably save everyone a little more money in the long run. Any thoughts on this would be interesting.[/QUOTE]Alternatively, perhaps you are simply afraid to go back to the clubs for reasons not listed here, like money, addiction, or relationship issues. This fear is the first mover and accordingly distorts your perception of the FKK scene. You want to see things badly, so you do, just to justify your decision not to return (and not fork out lots of money) , to rationalize your fear. So belief in decline may very well proceed from a secret wish that things were really so, that we may avoid them, for reasons we nonetheless do not admit to ourselves.
[QUOTE=Optimist;1340581]Nick - our resident psychoanalyst![/QUOTE]Sorry, I don't like psycho analysis!
[QUOTE=Optimist;1340581]And what happens when the girls do what we and they subconsciously want? Then we have a whole new game of life. Cheers.[/QUOTE]IMHO then you are on the border to chaos. But since you're an optimist, that might be your dream of romance.
If, as an adult person, you cannot communicate consciously what you intend or want, you have to rely on the hidden powers of the unconscious. So your life switches from choice to chance. You can't alway get what you want, but for sure then you get what you need to become conscious again! That might prove painful too in the end. Good luck!
Sex, Ecology, Spirituality: The Spirit of Evolution,
[url]http://books.google.de/books?id=U5UJUChbuioC[/url]
[QUOTE=The Cane;1340362]Given the large number of women I've butt fucked in my life, I've had amazingly good success here. I can count on one hand the number of bad experiences. I don't know what the girls are doing, but I imagine that the ones who cornhole the most prepare themselves properly. But the thing that I've learned over the years is that if you intend to fuck a lot of pretty girls in the ass, then you got to take a little shit every now and then! Hahaha! Honestly though, that's been a rare "side effect" that I've encountered over the years. If it happened a lot, then I'm sure that would have cured me of being the butt hole lovin' monger that I am a long time ago LOL![/QUOTE]With a handle such as 'the cane' I'd expect you to be reporting more failures. Asian men have all the fun.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1340670]With a handle such as 'the cane' I'd expect you to be reporting more failures. Asian men have all the fun.[/QUOTE]My LAA (Lifetime Anal Average) in Germany is 40 percent. That's how many of my FKK tutes I take up the anus orifice. Now, my Brazilian LAA is a full 70 percent! And I take a lot of tutes my friend! Oh, and I'm not Asian! LOL! I'm determined to get my FKK average up to 50 percent.
[QUOTE=Nick The G; 1340573]True, but that is a different story of the progression from "loser" to "pseudo-winner"!
The men want to persuade "their" girls in "their" club to do something for them, that other customers (the Others) will not get. I suppose, that is the prerequisite, that's the kick they need. If every women there provides bareback fucks, WTF should be so tempting for [B]these men[/B] To do it there?[/QUOTE]You are talking about exclusivity. A bit like when entering a contract of boyfriend and girlfriend or husband and wife. Each gives the other something that they will not give to someone else in theory. And so these men are looking for "their" "girlfriends" in "their" club. No?
Girl there's a better life for you and me (The Animals)
[QUOTE=Yakob;1340740]You are talking about exclusivity. A bit like when entering a contract of boyfriend and girlfriend or husband and wife. Each gives the other something that they will not give to someone else in theory. And so these men are looking for "their" "girlfriends" in "their" club. No?[/QUOTE]"Contract" for illusions with regards to exclusivity is closed via amount of money spent.
Importance gained via illusions of exclusivity supplied by sex workers within the boundaries of PaySex? Well, as you state: maybe "in theory"!
Hello,
I will be in Frankfurt next month and I plan to visit Oase, Mainhatten, sharks and Palace. I have been reading several reports about these clubs here but I still can't figure out if it's possible to spend 1 hour with a girl + extra for 100 euro and cum TWICE. I plan to visit several clubs plus some going around in Red light streets so for my budget I can't afford 150 euro per session. I will take regular session for 50 euro with most of the girls plus 100 euro session with few girls that I like the most. So for 100 Euro can I get one hour with 2 shootings and some extras. Or I'm asking for too much?
Thanks and good luck everybody
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Here is the list of NRW clubs I am hoping to get to next week. I'd like to not be a 'tourist' and overpay to ruin it for you guys who live in the area so I wanted some clarification on which clubs I should keep firm at 50 + 25 for a 1 hour session.
GT.
ACA.
Penelope.
Freude.
DV.
PHG
LR.
Samya.
Also, which clubs should I grab a bite before I get there. LOL
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[QUOTE=Angusmagee]I will say no more on this topic.[/QUOTE]Okay so I lied.
My point is that all this discussion is gossipy and speculative. If you are a monger and you do not keep an eye on this stuff with the knowledge that there are things one can catch, you are a fool. Hopefully you monitor your health and go to the doctor if anything is seeming wrong. Also it is good to go for a full battery of tests every year or two. If you are married and having sex with the wife, she is at risk too. This is all just fact.
As I said, the exact same thing happened on the Artemis thread. The result was just a bunch of speculative posting that got a few people worried. Probably because they are married and trying to keep the whole thing from the wife.
[QUOTE=Yakob]Also, I do not appreciate the name calling and being told to calm down when peoples health is at stake. That is childish playground activity on your part. I guess you are type of person that not go see doctor if they have a cold thinking it will clear up in a few days. Forgive me if that is not the case, but the response you give indicates the same.
What I do thank you for is that it is agreed that the whirlpool is not the transmission method. I can happily use the whirlppol now when I want to, although I do not use it often.[/QUOTE]
Name calling? Who did I call a name. I did throw one dart but thought better of it an edited it out.
As for the whirlpool-I did not say it was impossible to catch anything there. Depending upon how well it is maintained I do think it possible to catch some sort of infection there, especially in the eyes and ears. A badly maintained jacuzzi can be a breeding ground for bacteria. My point was more that if one does catch an STD at an FKK, passing it on to the wife, I really doubt "honey I must have caught it in a jacuzzi" is going to fly. Especially if she finds out where the jacuzzi is located.
AM
[QUOTE=Amriptna111; 1340833]If your on a tight budget then avoid oase as you have to add in cab fair an entrance fee. I suggest you try the red light light district where you can negotiate the price. My last visit I actually skip oase and when to palace and rld. Believe me their rld is like a giant fkk but you have to walk in up and down the building to find a girl that you fancy. I had the most beautiful Hungarian girl (Bets fkk girls) who were just here for a 1 week and was quite naive. I got 3 mpos, BBBJ, face fuck included, and cum in mputh for 60 euro for 30 minute session.
I have discovered that rld is where you get girls who are not fully develop wh0res yet. Once the develop themselves and know the game they will venture to fkk. The german forums has extensive reports on awesome wh0res. I used it as a guide and I got NO bad experience. I had 9 or 10 girls doing really dirty stuff and do not restrict the sexual position. You can really hammer them and they just take it as they think when the clients paythey just have to follow. Not in the case with many fkk girls who are season wh0re. FKK is where the wh0re take their postgraduate studies! Rld is their undergraduate![/QUOTE]Thanks for your reply. The RLD will be very near to the hotel where I will stay so I will try it for sure. What I really need to know, if I take a FKK girl for 1 hour and pay 100 euro, can I have 2 shoots or the session is over once I cum? I know I should deciDe everything with the girl before I start but I just want to know is it ok to shoot twice in one hour. I don't want to look like I'm asking for too much from the girl.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1340896]Moved from Oase thread.
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Okay so I lied.
My point is that all this discussion is gossipy and speculative. If you are a monger and you do not keep an eye on this stuff with the knowledge that there are things one can catch, you are a fool. Hopefully you monitor your health and go to the doctor if anything is seeming wrong. Also it is good to go for a full battery of tests every year or two. If you are married and having sex with the wife, she is at risk too. This is all just fact.
As I said, the exact same thing happened on the Artemis thread. The result was just a bunch of speculative posting that got a few people worried. Probably because they are married and trying to keep the whole thing from the wife.
AM[/QUOTE]The original poster was concerned about having caught something from BBBJ activities. I agree with Angus. Let's think about this. All of the girls have long since used lots of mouthwash since the dates in question long ago. If anyone is concerned about catching such things from BBBJ (in this case some sort of uretha infection) , just bring those little trial sized alcohol-based mouthwash things with you (one for you and one for her) before starting any BBBJ activity or kissing to address any germs that may be lingering around if the girl didn't use mouthwash since her last session.
The problem with posting a "blacklist" so-to-speak of the girls that this guy visited (not just at one club by the way) is that the list is highly speculative. It unfairly implicates the names of girls who have no reason to be implicated. Such a list offends our idea of "innocent until proven guilty" values. Let's say a store got robbed. And the police nabbed the 16 people who happened to be in the vicinity of the store within 5 minutes of a robbery. Sure, one of those 16 dudes may very well be guilty of robbing the store (if the police happened to get the robber in the 16). But, if the police publish the names of all 16 people (which they probably have the right to do) , then there will be 15 people who are naturally quite upset at being implicating in bad behavior that they had nothing to do with. Now I know that this example is very different than the situation we are talking about here (a robber who intends to steal is way different than a girl who unknowingly picks up an infection) , but the point of this example is merely to try to convey the seeming "unfairness" of publishing such a list and the natural reaction that a person on such a list might feel.
That being said, in this situation, where a simple solution exists (I. E. Carry mouthwash with you and offer it to your BBBJ provider before commencing any BBBJ activities if you are concerned) , does it really make sense to publish a highly-speculative list that necessarily implicates innocent girls?
[QUOTE=Scott79;1340911]Thanks for your reply. The RLD will be very near to the hotel where I will stay so I will try it for sure. What I really need to know, if I take a FKK girl for 1 hour and pay 100 euro, can I have 2 shoots or the session is over once I cum? I know I should deciDe everything with the girl before I start but I just want to know is it ok to shoot twice in one hour. I don't want to look like I'm asking for too much from the girl.[/QUOTE]There are girls which allow you two shots over one hour there are girls that do not. Usually it is easier to get it if you shoot first within the 30 minutes mark because this way if they want to earn the extra 50 they have to agree with your request. But if you shoot after, let's say 35 minutes, the girl already earned 100 and may well tell you no.
In light of the above, there is no general rule than to discuss and agree upon it before you go to zimmer with the girl.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy; 1340943].
That being said, in this situation, where a simple solution exists (I. E. Carry mouthwash with you and offer it to your BBBJ provider before commencing any BBBJ activities if you are concerned) , does it really make sense to publish a highly-speculative list that necessarily implicates innocent girls?[/QUOTE]I am certainly not a fan of amriptna of his accusation against me but you are wrong on that part as I had a serious discussion with my doctor on std in particular gonnrhea. Mouthwash don't kill the bacteria as the mouth keeps on producin salive and it goes to the throat and can make it though the person's urethra opening.
To kill the gonreha bacteria I had to take a jab (some gonorhea are known to be resistant to the antibiotics given and are knows to cause fatality). Herpes is also still transferable even if you use mouthwash same goes with chalmydia. Refer to cdc website for more info.
HIV are also known to pass through BBBJ and mouthwash would not help it.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1340755]Now, I do not know what to think. I am going for a STD check myself tomorrow. You got me worried.
To be clear, I have no symptoms but I want to be sure. My doctor friend tell me that you will know if you got some of the usual stuff. It is the HIV that kill the mother fuckers he says and you not know you got it.[/QUOTE]I celebrate. My tests came back negative.
My friend he say when he heard the news that,"I was hoping for a massive share from your inheretence. Enjoy." I stopped his machinations by keeping safe sex.
They ask you all sorts of questions like when it was last time you had sex, who with (e. G girlfriend, wife, a random girl you pick up in street, prostitute, your boss's wife) , was it a boy or a girl you had sex with, how many sexual partners you had, how frequent you fuck, what type of sex did you have. Vaginal or anal, was it with condom or no condom and was oral sex covered or uncovered and was their taking of ejacualation in mouth either way girl or boy. It feel like they want to know what all the sex acts you did. I was half thinking can I take a copy of their list of sexual acts so I can use it as a checklist of nasty stuff you can do in the room.
Then they lecture you about having monogamist relationships and staying safe and using a condom and then they give me several boxes of condoms and some really nice sensitive style lubricant gel and some booklets on STDs and safe sex practices. Then they write me a letter saying it all negative so I can show my friends.
I am so happy that I go shopping!
First of all apologies to the Admin for the Hard Returns.
Now, about the shit question- I myself am very clean and always wash after going to the toilet and clean my ass but the point is that, as opposed to rimming, which I've done and also had done at FKKs, the tongue only touches the anus itself-doesn't go really deep inside the anus. During anal sex you penetrate deep into the ass and wiping the surface or washing it wouldn't remove the shit from inside would it? That was my point. Not about bareback! But getting your condom covered dick covered in shit would not be appealing. Unless girls always go to the toilet before starting any anal session or. As in porn. Have an enema.
The best way will be to try it for myself and see!
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1340365]Why would your cock be covered in shit? Are you expecting the girls allow anal bareback style on the pretence that anal sex, she will not get pregnant? Wear a condom.
Also, the girls wipe their ass after they take a shit and then bath. I do too. You want to make sure you ass is nice and clean for the girl to rim and lick your asshole with her lips and tongue.[/QUOTE]
BB.
Penelope = Never been.
Freude = Never been.
DV = 50 + 50 (several stunners if you pick a good night. 35 entry before 7pm or 8pm and Food good)
PHG = 50 + 25 (many ex GT / ACA stunners over the weekend, Food good)
LR = 50 + 25 (GT Sister club / more Romanian girls here than GT)
Samya = 50 + 25 (Lineup good, on par to LR & DV, Food ok)
ACA = 40 + 40 (2nd Best lineup in NWR at moment, sometimes (1st) better than GT if you like Romanian girls with jet black hair or the exotic Persian looks) Food sucks.
GT = 50 + 25 On most occasion DON'T ask how much, just discreetly give them 75 for the hour (If a girl challenge you to 100 per hour by the lockers,
Just mention Madga / Anna or the Receptionist told you the house rules are 75 hour / 150 2 hours). They will back down straight away.
If a girl insist on 100 p / h before going into the room, be a gentleman and honour the deal or respectfully decline and walk away.
Good luck and enjoy the ride.
Also, which clubs should I grab a bite before I get there. LOL. ACA.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi; 1340839]Here is the list of NRW clubs I am hoping to get to next week. I'd like to not be a 'tourist' and overpay to ruin it for you guys who live in the area so I wanted some clarification on which clubs I should keep firm at 50 + 25 for a 1 hour session.
GT.
ACA.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Simex. Exactly the info I was looking for. Of the clubs on my list, I had LR / PHG low. I will definitely make a bigger effort to get to PHG based on your recommendation.
Normally Sundays in FKK slow, lineup poor, many girls take day off. Mondays even worse.
What clubs in NRW and Hesse are better than others on Sunday and on Monday? Public transportation is not an issue. I always rent a car.
Acapulco should be bearable. What else?
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1341153]Normally Sundays in FKK slow, lineup poor, many girls take day off. Mondays even worse.
What clubs in NRW and Hesse are better than others on Sunday and on Monday? Public transportation is not an issue. I always rent a car.
Acapulco should be bearable. What else?[/QUOTE]How are Wednesday mornings?
Penelope: 25 a pop (20 min max I would think)
Freude: 50-50 (but it is standard to have some DFK and BBBJ before heading to a room; often for up to 10 minutes)
Sunday Monday is still ok in GT and local weekday clubs like Freude (which is much worse in the weekend).
Hi Banana Boi,
Since my specialty is in late reports, I haven't posted a report on my summer trip to NRW, which featured two great visits to Magnum in Erkrath near Dusseldorf (I promise a full report before January!). It's incredibly convenient for Dusseldorf, the facilities are fantastic, the food superb, and, contrary to some reports, the girls I encountered were as good as any I saw on that trip to NRW (I also visited Acapulco, Freude, Arabella, Dolce Vita, Living Room, and a Saskia Farrell party on that trip). Pricing is 50+25.
Give it a try.
IB.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1340839]Here is the list of NRW clubs I am hoping to get to next week. I'd like to not be a 'tourist' and overpay to ruin it for you guys who live in the area so I wanted some clarification on which clubs I should keep firm at 50 + 25 for a 1 hour session. GT. ACA. Penelope. Freude. DV. PHG. LR. Samya. Also, which clubs should I grab a bite before I get there. LOL[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Ibn Buttita; 1341249]Since my specialty is in late reports, I haven't posted a report on my summer trip to NRW, which featured two great visits to Magnum in Erkrath near Dusseldorf (I promise a full report before January!). It's incredibly convenient for Dusseldorf, the facilities are fantastic, the food superb, and, contrary to some reports, the girls I encountered were as good as any I saw on that trip to NRW (I also visited Acapulco, Freude, Arabella, Dolce Vita, Living Room, and a Saskia Farrell party on that trip). Pricing is 50+25.
IB.[/QUOTE]I would appreciate at least brief update on Magnum before January. To be more exact before November. I am planning my next trip on second week on November. My first Magnum visit was disappointing. Negative report is mine. But I would like to make another try. So, any positive changes there?
It's nice to have an audience with bated breath! Just kidding, let me sum things up quick.
First, I loved the diversity at Magnum. A couple of gorgeous Asians and Latinas who were always quickly snapped up, a few black girls plus more Germans than usual (so not heavily Romanian, though there were some nice gazelles from Romania there). To top it off, they had Algerian sisters!
It could have just been the stars aligning, but my two visits to Magnum were full of superlatives. There was the hottest Russian blonde I ever had (an ice queen, but gorgeous) , and Michelle, the sportiest, possibly best looking German girl I ever went with. Nadia was a petite Hungarian, the younger of another sister pair, who was definitely the craziest girl I ever f*ked. She must have been on something but it was an absolute roller coaster and inspired me to curse her out during sex. Not in an aggressive way but porno-stlye, and she loved it. Hands down the star was Kira, a black Togolese girl I sessioned with for two 2-hour sessions. She was possibly the horniest girl I ever encountered (and bisexual. We took her Russian-Iranian friend at one point) and a great lover who treats a man like a king.
I think these kinds of girls are attracted by a few things: the party vibe (great DJs, lots of dancing) , excellent food to order (buffet was not quite as good) , and I think they have free hair salon services for the girls.
I had fun experiences at the other places I visited on that NRW trip, but when I do get to my full reports they won't be rated as highly as Magnum was. Plus it is so easy to get to (and back in the early AM) from Dusseldorf.
Cheers,
IB.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1341290]I would appreciate at least brief update on Magnum before January. To be more exact before November. I am planning my next trip on second week on November. My first Magnum visit was disappointing. Negative report is mine. But I would like to make another try. So, any positive changes there?[/QUOTE]
My favorite days att GT are between Sunday to Wednesday.
I find the line-up refreshing and pockets of semi-pros early in the week.
They are alot more entertaining to session than the FT Pro's.
Had some great Sundays at ACAP. But their weekends are the best.
[QUOTE=Jymondor; 1341153]Normally Sundays in FKK slow, lineup poor, many girls take day off. Mondays even worse.
What clubs in NRW and Hesse are better than others on Sunday and on Monday? Public transportation is not an issue. I always rent a car.
Acapulco should be bearable. What else?[/QUOTE]
99% of my Golden Time trips have been on a Monday.
Always arriveat13:00.
Leaveat21:00.
Never a problem finding at least 2 girls to fill my dance card.
Best Regards,
Smuler
Which club would have the most girls on a Monday night after 10 pm. Sharks, mainhattan, or palace?
Oase would be your best bet for decent lineup. But there been some bad PR with Health & Hygiene at this club recently. Seem to be putting many people off.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1342367]Which club would have the most girls on a Monday night after 10 pm. Sharks, mainhattan, or palace?[/QUOTE]
Any hotels in the Dusseldorf area that give you access to a computer terminal and a printer so you can print off your boarding pass? I'll probably be visiting GT but can stay anywhere on the west side of Dusseldorf.
[QUOTE=Breadman;1342390]Any hotels in the Dusseldorf area that give you access to a computer terminal and a printer so you can print off your boarding pass? I'll probably be visiting GT but can stay anywhere on the west side of Dusseldorf.[/QUOTE]BTW is ETAP Willich the best option to stay near GT or there is something closer but as decent and affordable as ETAP?
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1342414]BTW is ETAP Willich the best option to stay near GT or there is something closer but as decent and affordable as ETAP?[/QUOTE]Nothing closer which is acceptable and has a lower price.
I have tried the Hotel Kaisermühle in Viersen once. That is a little closer, but price can be from a little higher to a lot higher depending on which days. More charming hotel though. But when I was there 2 years ago the internet did not work so well.
[QUOTE=Simex;1342385]Oase would be your best bet for decent lineup. But there been some bad PR with Health & Hygiene at this club recently. Seem to be putting many people off.[/QUOTE]Looking for something other than Oase on Monday.
Oase was a ghost town Friday night. Amazing girl:guy ratio. I usually leave around 10 pm when it gets busy but certainly no need for that on Friday.
[QUOTE=Simex;1342385]Oase would be your best bet for decent lineup. But there been some bad PR with Health & Hygiene at this club recently. Seem to be putting many people off.[/QUOTE]This is true, a girl there told me she was sick for three days and had to go to the doctors after eating the food there.
There something in the air about Oase. The place is so crowded and smoky during the winter months and the chicks are like battery caged hen hassling
clients constantly cocks. Where as the World set-up there more space to roam. Free range chicks....lol
[QUOTE=Ableyone;1342456]This is true, a girl there told me she was sick for three days and had to go to the doctors after eating the food there.[/QUOTE]
Has Amriptna11 been banned by Jackson. Not seen a post since Oct 24th.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1342367]Which club would have the most girls on a Monday night after 10 pm. Sharks, mainhattan, or palace?[/QUOTE]Hi Banana Boi,
Of those three clubs that you name, my pick is Palace. It is stockings and socks day at Palace.
Mainhattan will look like it has a quite a few girls but that is because the girls are packed into a smaller lounge contact area. Even Sundays are good selection.
Sharks claims it has a lot of girls but this is not borne out from my experiences. Maybe only Friday and Saturdays.
[QUOTE=Simex; 1342470]There something in the air about Oase. The place is so crowded and smoky during the winter months and the chicks are like battery caged hen hassling
Clients constantly cocks. Where as the World set-up there more space to roam. Free range chicks. LOL[/QUOTE]I have never been to oase on winter. I could imagined sitting and getting hassled by the girls. Worst I think would be Palace. But then oase is probably the only fkk with the least number of chairs to relax on. I wished they could have a no girl zone where the men could just relax and watch tv.
Porn in the kino room gets boring.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1342504]Of those three clubs that you name, my pick is Palace. It is stockings and socks day at Palace.[/QUOTE]Thanks Yakob. Only stocking or socks? They remain topless? My friend is a boob guy so that is a must for a club we visit.
Do they girls rotate between different clubs on a different week or can she only work in a club at one time.
For example can a girl in oase work 1 week in oase and the next week she goes to world?
[QUOTE=Simex;1342472]Has Amriptna11 been banned by Jackson. Not seen a post since Oct 24th.[/QUOTE]Yes he is banned.
[QUOTE=Simex;1342472]Has Amriptna11 been banned by Jackson. Not seen a post since Oct 24th.[/QUOTE]Praise the Lord: Sometimes silence is golden! Maybe there should be a new novel: The Silence of the Trolls.
[QUOTE=Ortos;1342585]Praise the Lord: Sometimes silence is golden! Maybe there should be a new novel: The Silence of the Trolls.[/QUOTE]Man you guys really exchanged words back there LOL. Ortos you should ask amriptna111 to go to the club and have fun together. I am sure within 5 minutes you guys would be at each other's throat. Or balls or whatever LOL.
Anyway I am just glad you guys don't know each other real life as I believe the chemistry would be explosive; p
[QUOTE=CaptCabin; 1342543]Do they girls rotate between different clubs on a different week or can she only work in a club at one time.
For example can a girl in oase work 1 week in oase and the next week she goes to world?[/QUOTE]Rotation happens, but it is not always 'allowed'. Oase is known to say to girls: 'you either work here, or somewhere else'. Still, I have met (and laughed) girls in Oase on Friday and in World on Saturday. Some GT girls only work there during the week and go to other clubs in the weekends (when GT looks like a bathrobe sellers convention). There are more girls that switch very often and some have a schedule where they split their time over different clubs; some girls just wait to hear where their big client is planning to go, that kind of thing happens too.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1342549]Yes he is banned.[/QUOTE]I for one am glad that he got himself banned. However it surprises me a bit as he was certainly not the worst we have seen here. Got to wonder what exactly tipped the scales to get him thrown off the board.
AM
[QUOTE=Free Dude;1342641]Rotation happens, but it is not always 'allowed'.[/QUOTE]There is one Oase girl (who shall remain nameless) who always seems to do a week at Artemis every year between Christmas and New Year. I have met here there the past three years running. She swore me to secrecy as to her Oase ID and told me that management at Oase does not like their girls to work openly elsewhere (she uses a different name while at Artemis).
One does have to wonder though-if an FKK management keeps the girls as contract employees, presumably (among other reasons) to avoid pay roll taxes, benefits and other liabilities involved in having an employee, just how they have the balls to then turn around and dictate to a girl where else she may work?
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1342654]I for one am glad that he got himself banned. However it surprises me a bit as he was certainly not the worst we have seen here. Got to wonder what exactly tipped the scales to get him thrown off the board.
AM[/QUOTE]A lot of senior members were very unhappy with crusade on exposing girls who may have std. I at one point did not agree but now I think I do as what is the difference between writing a negative report on a girl service and a negative report on her well being.
Anyways I do not want to judge the girls as I am also not a saint. I still plan to enjoy myself at fkk whatever it is. Better to leave this world bonking sweet young girls when you have the money rather than masturbrating in the shower and when you die your money goes to nephews whom you see once every year if your lucky.
[QUOTE=Blonde; 1341992]I wonder if anybody have any opinions regarding increase of offering of bareback sex in Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area.
I have over the last 4-5 years regulary used the service from girls working in FKK and Saunaclubs in Frankfurt and Dusseldorf area. What's come to my mind is that offering of bareback sex has been more common now. In the last 6 to 8 months have I been offered bareback sex in most of the clubs I have visited.
I wonder if other have had the same experience? I normally have longer sessions than the standard 50 euro so I often get a good connection with girls. If I don't get the right connection, I quit fast, pay 50 and goes for a different girl.
The offer of bareback is not from girls I repeat regulary with so it's not like we know each other.
I would like to know if other have had similar experience. I sometimes tempted to go for it and definitely if I have had a few drinks, but I'm concerned for getting any STD, s so I try to avoid it. I'm in the mid fifty's so it has nothing to do with the young and handsome type of thing. I'm posted this in the Palace tread since Palace was on top of the list when I log in, and not because it's more common in Palace than other clubs.[/QUOTE]No, not really.
[QUOTE=Banana Boi;1342526]Thanks Yakob. Only stocking or socks? They remain topless? My friend is a boob guy so that is a must for a club we visit.[/QUOTE]The hoes they wear just the stockings or knee high socks with their shoes. They remain naked everywhere else with maybe a dash of perfume on their skin. So your friend will get to see the goods before he commits if he goes on Monday to the Palace.
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1342657]One does have to wonder though-if an FKK management keeps the girls as contract employees, presumably (among other reasons) to avoid pay roll taxes, benefits and other liabilities involved in having an employee, just how they have the balls to then turn around and dictate to a girl where else she may work?
AM[/QUOTE]Isn't it because the law dictates that the clubs can't have the girls employed? They must be "independent". The truth as we all know is somewhat different but as long as there are no scandals I'm sure the German authorities will look in the pragmatic other direction. Legalization wasn't because they like prostitution but because they felt it's the easiest way to check the business.
[QUOTE=Ararat;1343159]Isn't it because the law dictates that the clubs can't have the girls employed? They must be "independent". The truth as we all know is somewhat different but as long as there are no scandals I'm sure the German authorities will look in the pragmatic other direction. Legalization wasn't because they like prostitution but because they felt it's the easiest way to check the business.[/QUOTE]Germans can be very pragmatic sometime, particularly in order to grant themself the fun they like. Smometimes they are not so much keen to respect / apply laws as it seems. All that for also our own good luck.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1342890]No, not really.[/QUOTE]Not really either, this is a topic that is increasingly getting annoying. Obviously everyone has his own experiences in the clubs and there are sometime developments in a kind of relationship between you and a girl and anything may happen or ghe girl could be so desperate for making the money her pimp wants that she could put at stake her health for not facing the consequences of it or whatever other reason including a customer is handsom or paying huge amounts of money.
In some of the clubs I regularly go everybody of the regulars know which are the customers roaming the club and looking for girls providing such services so what?
The point is not all that fuss about bb, the point is, as someone else already said, that there is a bareback section of this forum and this issues should be raised or discussed there.
[QUOTE=CaptCabin;1342666]A lot of senior members were very unhappy with crusade on exposing girls who may have std. I at one point did not agree but now I think I do as what is the difference between writing a negative report on a girl service and a negative report on her well being.[/QUOTE]I would say that the difference is that with a bad session, you are 100% sure which girl gave it to you. In the case of STD's for most FKK guest the list of girls who could have given it is long. Basically it could be any girl within the last 2 weeks of detection.
If we write a bad report, then we do not for example write that one of the following 10 named girls gave me a bad session. That is very unfair to 9 of them.
Even if you have somehow been monogamous in an fkk club with only one girl and got a STD, then just tell the girl to go get treatment. After ended treatment she will be fine again (unless we are talking herpes).
[QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard; 1343216]I would say that the difference is that with a bad session, you are 100% sure which girl gave it to you. In the case of STD's for most FKK guest the list of girls who could have given it is long. Basically it could be any girl within the last 2 weeks of detection.
If we write a bad report, then we do not for example write that one of the following 10 named girls gave me a bad session. That is very unfair to 9 of them.
Even if you have somehow been monogamous in an fkk club with only one girl and got a STD, then just tell the girl to go get treatment. After ended treatment she will be fine again (unless we are talking herpes).[/QUOTE]It is herpes.
I agree with all your points. It depends on the monger I guess like if you go there once a month an repeat the same girls then yuor list is narrow but if your a weekly guy and likes to sample diff women than it is LONG LOL.
Anywayz important question (I am not saying I agree with this) is your health as a monger important and can you live with it. Me I am single and have herpes definelt from fkk as this is the only place I have had sex within 3 months but my risk of transmission is minimal to my wife for the simple reason I don't have one and probably won't due to my age. If you suspect a girl or see a girl with symptom of herpes should you keep quiet about it should you inform other mongers but write reports on a working ladies service instead.
[QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard; 1343216]I would say that the difference is that with a bad session, you are 100% sure which girl gave it to you. In the case of STD's for most FKK guest the list of girls who could have given it is long. Basically it could be any girl within the last 2 weeks of detection.
If we write a bad report, then we do not for example write that one of the following 10 named girls gave me a bad session. That is very unfair to 9 of them.
Even if you have somehow been monogamous in an fkk club with only one girl and got a STD, then just tell the girl to go get treatment. After ended treatment she will be fine again (unless we are talking herpes).[/QUOTE]Why does the San Fernando valley porn industry go into lock down mode when it is discovered that one actor has HIV or something similar? They are tarnishing everyone has potentially having HIV and the industry does not come back from under cover until the culprit is found. Is that being unfair too?
There are similar stories from other country's porn making industries where when it was found there was an outbreak then all the fiming was done with condom including in some cases the blowjob too. The reason they do this is so that it is prevent the spread of such diseases. If we keep this as a taboo topic then it is all underground and no one will know and the disease will perpetuate. Just like no one talks about the pimps, even the girls do not want to, but the pimps are prevalent.
Armripta111's point was that let people decide for themselves when they see the girls. It is a forewarning and not an accusation. We are sensible adults here and so we should rely on that judgment.
Just an alternative thought to add balance to the discussion.
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1343222]If we keep this as a taboo topic then it is all underground and no one will know and the disease will perpetuate. Just like no one talks about the pimps, even the girls do not want to, but the pimps are prevalent.
Armripta111's point was that let people decide for themselves when they see the girls. It is a forewarning and not an accusation. We are sensible adults here and so we should rely on that judgment.
Just an alternative thought to add balance to the discussion.[/QUOTE]It will not only perpetuate but spread around, particularly in cases like herpes which have no specific cure.
Yes, it is like pimps, there are still men who believe when the girls say they have not one but there are likely only a handful of them all over the clubs who do not have someone who takes a share of their earnings.
Amripta111 in my opinion simply gave his point of view, ok maybe with the wrong words and I was not a fun of his tone either but he got the point and maybe that point was too sensible for this forum to discuss. I always accepted to live with my fears and not hiding them but accepting the risks. Tere is no sense in burying such topics in the deep of your coscience, these problems are there outside and talking about it can only help ourself and the others.
[QUOTE=CaptCabin; 1342666]A lot of senior members were very unhappy with crusade on exposing girls who may have std. I at one point did not agree but now I think I do as what is the difference between writing a negative report on a girl service and a negative report on her well being.
Anyways I do not want to judge the girls as I am also not a saint. I still plan to enjoy myself at fkk whatever it is. Better to leave this world bonking sweet young girls when you have the money rather than masturbrating in the shower and when you die your money goes to nephews whom you see once every year if your lucky.[/QUOTE]I think it is alos statistics related to numbers. In Frankfurt clubs there are more girls and more mongers who are not regulars and therefore the odds tihat someone sick is around are higher than in NRW clubs. Add to that that from a cleanliness point of view, clubs I. Frankfurt are not the top, particularly Oase where I have always been as much circumspect as possible checking the girls.
However, I still remain of my opinion, it is not a question of crusade or not but of relevant information that maybe helpful to some of us.
[QUOTE=Indi Companion; 1343456]I think it is alos statistics related to numbers. In Frankfurt clubs there are more girls and more mongers who are not regulars and therefore the odds tihat someone sick is around are higher than in NRW clubs. Add to that that from a cleanliness point of view, clubs I. Frankfurt are not the top, particularly Oase where I have always been as much circumspect as possible checking the girls.
However, I still remain of my opinion, it is not a question of crusade or not but of relevant information that maybe helpful to some of us.[/QUOTE]May I respectfully ask you to let me (us) know the usefulness to "alert" ISG members to the fact that, wherever they go, they can catch STds, if they do not cover? Do you really believe that they don't know that already? And naming girls and places is absolutely useless, since, STDs can be had absolutely anywhere, even in places where so called hygiene and controls are the best.
It is not that one does want to hide anything, it is just that when there is nothing new or worth reporting, better not to report.
And to believe that by making those discussions public (BTW, should be in the specific thread) , one does reduce their spread is at best laughable.
STds, like pimps, are a fact of the life of mongers (and WGs). Writing pages on the topic is a waste of time, until the day someone can
Seriously propose a solution to eradicate them. Not in the near future, I am afraid. IMHO.
(Ah well, yes, the feminists have a solutionL: prohibiting all sexual contacts between males and females.)
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1343614]May I respectfully ask you to let me (us) know the usefulness to "alert" ISG members to the fact that, wherever they go, they can catch STds, if they do not cover? Do you really believe that they don't know that already? And naming girls and places is absolutely useless, since, STDs can be had absolutely anywhere, even in places where so called hygiene and controls are the best.
It is not that one does want to hide anything, it is just that when there is nothing new or worth reporting, better not to report.
And to believe that by making those discussions public (BTW, should be in the specific thread) , one does reduce their spread is at best laughable.
STds, like pimps, are a fact of the life of mongers (and WGs). Writing pages on the topic is a waste of time, until the day someone can
Seriously propose a solution to eradicate them. Not in the near future, I am afraid. IMHO.
(Ah well, yes, the feminists have a solutionL: prohibiting all sexual contacts between males and females.) [/QUOTE]Dear Dedalus, I am sure that you are born already knowing everything about girls, clubs and STDs but you should know that there are many who start this hobby and do not even think about STDs, say even less about how they can catch it.
I still have the impression that many want to hide this problem, for me it is the same and as you ask I will no longer write about it. Not even here in this thread where many also senior members said to move the discussion.
Up to you.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1343614]STds, like pimps, are a fact of the life of mongers (and WGs). Writing pages on the topic is a waste of time, until the day someone can[/QUOTE]With all due respect, I don't think STDs have to be a "fact of life". Care can be taken to prevent their spread. Clubs have an implicit duty to ensure their environment is safe for the WGs and the customers. This includes screening WGs for STDs and making sure facilities are clean. Not only does this make good business sense for the clubs, it is the right thing to do! If a fellow monger strongly suspects that a girl has an STD, he should report this to the club. The club, in turn, should verify this and, if true, act on this information immediately by removing the girl. I hope Oase and other clubs take the necessary steps to prevent STDs! FKKs are a good thing and a priviledge, all participants (especially the clubs) have a important role in keeping it safe and fun. IMHO. JJ.
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1343614]May I respectfully ask you to let me (us) know the usefulness to "alert" ISG members to the fact that, wherever they go, they can catch STds, if they do not cover? Do you really believe that they don't know that already?
It is not that one does want to hide anything, it is just that when there is nothing new or worth reporting, better not to report.
And to believe that by making those discussions public (BTW, should be in the specific thread) , one does reduce their spread is at best laughable.
STds, like pimps, are a fact of the life of mongers (and WGs). Writing pages on the topic is a waste of time, until the day someone can[/QUOTE]Yes, I agree that everyone is aware that STD is a risk of visiting these clubs. But, I don't think everyone is aware of the magnitude of the risk.
Before I read Mr. Nordboer's and Mr. Captain Cabin's posts, I for one thought that if I always wore a condom during sex that I would probably be ok getting BBBJs. I thought that the risk associated with BBBJs was really low. Now that we have two individuals reporting they used condoms 100% of the time during sex who got infected with Herpes within a relatively close period of time. That's some scary sh*t! Yes, these guys were getting BBBJ's but I was under the impression that while transmission of herpes was possible this way, that it was extremely unlikely. Lots of web sites out there indicate that HSV2 doesn't like to live upstairs (I. E. In the mouth) , that it rather "prefers" to live downstairs.
Of course, we don't have any good data about the probability of infection with exposure to infected individuals because scientists can't run the type of experiments necessary to ascertain this type of data. That is, the scientists can't very well take 1, 000 uninfected people and ask them to have sex with 1, 000 infected people and then measure how many people got infected. Thus, the methodologies used (mostly survey data after the fact with no control group) don't yield reliably conclusive data.
Here's what we do have. On the one hand, we've got a ton of web sites out there that proclaim that Herpes infection is extremely easy, even when wearing a condom. These web sites sound like you'll get infected if you even look at someone who is infected (yes I am exaggerating a bit here). I can only assume that these web sites are targeted at trying to scare teenagers straight. I know that the risk can't be all that high because if that were true, then I would have already been infected with all the working girls I've been with. I can affirm that I get tested periodically, and that I've never caught an STD. Just in the past 12 months, I've spent a considerable amount of time with over 50 working girls.
Plus, we've got folks like Hessen Bub who reports that he's never caught anything in the past 10 years that he's been getting BBBJ's. Reports like Hessen Bub's make me think that the chance of catching something is quite low if you always wear a condom during sex and stick to BBBJ's.
So now, I am at a crossroads. Do I give up BBBJ's? Maybe these two individuals caught Herpes during sex with a condom (through skin to skin contact) or maybe they caught it getting BBBJ's? I just don't know.
I for one would be grateful for more information that would help us decide the degree of risk associated with these activities. While I wholeheartedly agree that publishing names of specific girls is pointless and fruitless, I would encourage more information sharing to help us make more informed decisions about the risks we face here.
For many of us, these activities border on an "addiction." So, if I need to change my behaviors, it'll probably take some serious beating on me with some scary shit to scare me down the proper path. I thought I knew what the risk level was here (really low) , but now I am questioning that conclusion given these two individual reports from two different members who are reporting Herpes infection after wearing a condom 100% of the time during sex.
Heck, if anyone has any information they want to share with me confidentially that they don't feel like sharing on the public board, please feel free to PM me. I am really struggling with this now that I've read these two reports of herpes infection because my health is super important to me and I don't want to screw that up.
[QUOTE=Ultrahappy; 1343721]Here's what we do have. On the one hand, we've got a ton of web sites out there that proclaim that Herpes infection is extremely easy, even when wearing a condom. These web sites sound like you'll get infected if you even look at someone who is infected (yes I am exaggerating a bit here). I can only assume that these web sites are targeted at trying to scare teenagers straight. I know that the risk can't be all that high because if that were true, then I would have already been infected with all the working girls I've been with. I can affirm that I get tested periodically, and that I've never caught an STD. Just in the past 12 months, I've spent a considerable amount of time with over 50 working girls.
Plus, we've got folks like Hessen Bub who reports that he's never caught anything in the past 10 years that he's been getting BBBJ's. Reports like Hessen Bub's make me think that the chance of catching something is quite low if you always wear a condom during sex and stick to BBBJ's.
So now, I am at a crossroads. Do I give up BBBJ's? Maybe these two individuals caught Herpes during sex with a condom (through skin to skin contact) or maybe they caught it getting BBBJ's? I just don't know.
I for one would be grateful for more information that would help us decide the degree of risk associated with these activities. While I wholeheartedly agree that publishing names of specific girls is pointless and fruitless, I would encourage more information sharing to help us make more informed decisions about the risks we face here.[/QUOTE]Ultra not that I am criticizing you but I think you are a little bias on your thinking (perhaps you like this acitivity too much too give it up like me LOL). Who can blame you I is an addiction.
You were lucky you haven't caught anything YET. I am unlucky. Prostitution and paid sex is like Russian roulette. The odds of getting stg or hiv (yes it can heppen in fkk even if you wear a condom as you have to consider the scenario of condom breakge or leak. Well this is what the doctor told me anywayz). But the math is simple. The more girls you go with and this girls see tons of men from western to developing countries. And the more frequent you indulge in this hobby mathematically your ODDS INCREASES. This is a fact. Think about it without being bias.
I ask my doctor the question "I know people who have indulge in this hobby for a 10 or 15 years and has not caugght anything". My doctors reply was "RUbbbish it is either he is lying, he doesn't know he has something, he does not care or he is EXTREMELY lucky (not to say HB is lying or anything but this is my doctors word). But seriously ultra and other mongers think about the math. You can even do some basic probability. Put it this way, I know I have herpes same goes with noerdboer same goes with syzgies (correct me if I am wrong he got chalmydia at one point refer to oase thread) and this people have got STD and we still frequent the club. WHY? Because we already have it. So now do your math. I don't mean to scare you but look at things realisticaly.
"publishing names of specific girls is pointless and fruitless". At this point to you it is useless but when you get it you probably would rethink your statement. I for one would. Now I do worry a lot eventhough herpes does not kill me but the doctor gave some really bad scenario for me. Imagine if I have cancer (well I am not young) and I need to go fo chemotheraphy and during that there is an outbreak of herpes on me it would not look pretty (funny doctor even told me he has seen a patient penis nearly cut into half by his herpes. I think he was joking. But well came you not blame me for being a bit scared). So you think a lot when the doctors inform you on such scenario. Now I don care about publishing names anymore but to other men who just got married or have a girl you love or sumthing like that please be very very vigilant and think about the risk.
" I would encourage more information sharing to help us make more informed decisions about the risks we face here.". What do you mean by this? What information do you request us to share?
"Heck, if anyone has any information they want to share with me confidentially that they don't feel like sharing on the public board, please feel free to PM me. I am really struggling with this now that I've read these two reports of herpes infection because my health is super important to me and I don't want to screw that up."- I think this is very unfair as you ask members to share confidential info with you regarding health concern. Then I might as well not share my info with others and then what would happen we would all lose. Sharing helps us all.
[QUOTE=Dreams; 1343614]May I respectfully ask you to let me (us) know the usefulness to "alert" ISG members to the fact that, wherever they go, they can catch STds, if they do not cover? Do you really believe that they don't know that already? And naming girls and places is absolutely useless, since, STDs can be had absolutely anywhere, even in places where so called hygiene and controls are the best.
And to believe that by making those discussions public (BTW, should be in the specific thread) , one does reduce their spread is at best laughable.
STds, like pimps, are a fact of the life of mongers (and WGs). Writing pages on the topic is a waste of time, until the day someone can[/QUOTE]I totally agree with you. I shall continue to visit fkk. I am glad we share the same activity and who knows we might have the same favourite girl. STD is common in paid sex so don't waste your time worrying about it.
[QUOTE=Indi Companion; 1343618]Dear Dedalus, I am sure that you are born already knowing everything about girls, clubs and STDs but you should know that there are many who start this hobby and do not even think about STDs, say even less about how they can catch it.
I still have the impression that many want to hide this problem, for me it is the same and as you ask I will no longer write about it. Not even here in this thread where many also senior members said to move the discussion.
Up to you.[/QUOTE]Just to respect Dedalus, who has, so far, not interjected in this discussion.
[QUOTE=JJForum61;1343650]With all due respect, I don't think STDs have to be a "fact of life". Care can be taken to prevent their spread. Clubs have an implicit duty to ensure their environment is safe for the WGs and the customers. This includes screening WGs for STDs and making sure facilities are clean. Not only does this make good business sense for the clubs, it is the right thing to do! If a fellow monger strongly suspects that a girl has an STD, he should report this to the club. The club, in turn, should verify this and, if true, act on this information immediately by removing the girl. I hope Oase and other clubs take the necessary steps to prevent STDs! FKKs are a good thing and a priviledge, all participants (especially the clubs) have a important role in keeping it safe and fun. IMHO. JJ.[/QUOTE]No disagreement with you there. My point is, even in the best managed clubs, the risk exists. A feeling of false security is not helping. Each one should know the risks and take his decision based on his own risk-benefit analysis, which is highly variable. (An old unmarried guy is less likley to be concerned than a young married one)
And I would like to know what " a strong suspicion of STD" means. Would you like to be reported to your boss by a colleague who "suspects" of, say, unethical practice?". Slippery slope IMHO.
Stick to the fat working girls, they're much safer than the young hotties who are going back and forth to the room. Also avoid girls with hairy vagina's, that's camouflage for herpes anyday. Seriously though, std's are a risk anytime you bed someone new. Doesn't matter if its a working girl or your buddy's sister, everything comes with a risk. Have any of you guys taken a look at the partytreff section in the last year or two? Tons and tons of posts and links to bareback events. Why does it take a couple of posts here to rile you all up when there's hundreds of comments a thread over about barebacking? Here's a link to that section, go make those guys regret doing bareback for a few days. [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?762-Germany-Partytreff-Clubs[/url]
Sorry to have beaten the odds and not having caught anything in 12 years of mongering and thousands of BBBJ. Go ask a different doc and you'll get a different opinion.
Just one thing: No club in Hessen requires the girls to have regular medical check-ups. The clubs provide the platform, girls & boys are guests, so no obligation for neither of them.
If you are afraid and don't want to take any risk when clubbing: Avoid DFK, chose CBJ and covered sex.
If you drive on German highways and you don't want to take the risk, drive 100km / h on the right lane. I love to go 240km / h on the left lane.
Life's a risk and will lead to death.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1344051]Sorry to have beaten the odds and not having caught anything in 12 years of mongering and thousands of BBBJ. Go ask a different doc and you'll get a different opinion.
Just one thing: No club in Hessen requires the girls to have regular medical check-ups. The clubs provide the platform, girls & boys are guests, so no obligation for neither of them.
If you are afraid and don't want to take any risk when clubbing: Avoid DFK, chose CBJ and covered sex.
If you drive on German highways and you don't want to take the risk, drive 100km / h on the right lane. I love to go 240km / h on the left lane.
Life's a risk and will lead to death.
HB[/QUOTE]Amen. Hopefully this should serve as a conclusion.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1343839]My point is, even in the best managed clubs, the risk exists.[/QUOTE]Yes, I think that is known. You could get an STD even if you don't monger (e. G, from a blood transfusion). Risk to life exists everywhere. That is not the point. One could get into a car accident tomorrow and die or get injured, but that doesn't mean people should stop wearing their seat belt to mitigate the risk. My point is to take all the necessary steps to mitigate the spread / risk of STDs.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1343839](An old unmarried guy is less likely to be concerned than a young married one)[/QUOTE]With all due respect, STDs have nothing to do with marriage. You could spread select STDs if there is direct contact with infected skin.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1343839]And I would like to know what " a strong suspicion of STD" means.[/QUOTE]Clarification. If a monger gets positively tested with an STD and suspects it is from a specific WG he visited. One cannot visually inspect or hypothesize on who has an STD. Yeah, I get that!
[QUOTE=Dreams;1343839]Would you like to be reported to your boss by a colleague who "suspects"[/QUOTE]Comparing apples and oranges. My job doesn't entail sleeping with hot chicks all day (although I wish it did, LOL). Not so in FKK, where there is a lot of fucking going on.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1343839]"suspects", say, of unethical practice?". Slippery slope IMHO.[/QUOTE]Like I said, if a monger gets positively tested for an STD and suspects he got it from a WG, it is *not* unethical for him to let the club know that he suspects it is from a particular WG. In fact, maybe the WG does not know that she is a carrier of an STD and it would help her to get tested and treated / cured immediately. It would mitigate the further spread of the STD inside and outside the club. I don't see how that is unethical. IMHO.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1344051]Sorry to have beaten the odds and not having caught anything in 12 years of mongering and thousands of BBBJ. .
If you drive on German highways and you don't want to take the risk, drive 100km / h on the right lane. I love to go 240km / h on the left lane.
HB[/QUOTE]Congrats on your luck.
I am one of those who love to go 240 km / h in the left lane as well. But only when traffic is so thin that it is "relatively safe" and comfortable to do.
Almost everything comes down to some kind of reward to risk ratio. With OWO the value of the "reward" is subjective, but we can all have our opinion about it. The risks of STDs from OWO are very hard to know anything precise about.
Personaly I like to know in what kind of ballpark the probability of catching something lies in. Is it 10% per OWO blowjob? Or 1 in a million? In the first case I would definately stop with OWO. In the second case I would definately not.
There is so much crap information out there ranging from moralistic / religious propaganda saying "never do that. It is baaaaaaad", to risk ignorant mongers who are saying "I don't care or want to hear about it. I will never catch anything".
So I appreciate when people write in here, if they catch anything and at the same time tells how many girls they have been doing OWO with. That gives the rest of us a chance to guesstimate the actual risk.
[QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard;1344078]I am one of those who love to go 240 km / h in the left lane as well. But only when traffic is so thin that it is "relatively safe" and comfortable to do.[/QUOTE]Good point. But risk of car accident exists even if you drive 100 km / hr. Look from this point. CBJ does not eliminate risk entirely. Just a quick example: you touch girls pussy, and then your own penis. Theoretically STD can be transmitted. To be sure, session should not include any non- covered contact, no BBBJ, no DFK and even LFK, no touching. But even that is not 100. Only your right hand can give 100% warranty. And I am thinking that "right hand" is better than session like that. I prefer 240 km / hr on left line (to be more exact 220 km / hr because not all rental cars can rum more).
[QUOTE=Frej Of Asgaard; 1344078]Congrats on your luck.
Personaly I like to know in what kind of ballpark the probability of catching something lies in. Is it 10% per OWO blowjob? Or 1 in a million? In the first case I would definately stop with OWO. In the second case I would definately not.
There is so much crap information out there ranging from moralistic / religious propaganda saying "never do that. It is baaaaaaad", to risk ignorant mongers who are saying "I don't care or want to hear about it. I will never catch anything".
So I appreciate when people write in here, if they catch anything and at the same time tells how many girls they have been doing OWO with. That gives the rest of us a chance to guesstimate the actual risk.[/QUOTE]20 to 30 girls within a period of 3 months nearly all weekly visit during my short stint in germany.
I agree with hb said it is a risk but well I have done my self evaluation and risk. And to me Fkking is a risk I can manage eventhough as long as not HIV. So on my next visit am bringing extra thick condom LOL never I will take the risk of condom breakage or any sorts. But yeah seriously I am going to play safe in that area. OWO is not a risk to me as the worst has happen LOL.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;1344092]Just a quick example: you touch girls pussy, and then your own penis. Theoretically STD can be transmitted. To be sure, session should not include any non- covered contact, no BBBJ, no DFK and even LFK, no touching. But even that is not 100. Only your right hand can give 100% warranty. And I am thinking that "right hand" is better than session like that.[/QUOTE]Use a body condom like they did in the naked gun movie.
[QUOTE=Breadman; 1344025]Stick to the fat working girls, they're much safer than the young hotties who are going back and forth to the room. Also avoid girls with hairy vagina's, that's camouflage for herpes anyday. Seriously though, std's are a risk anytime you bed someone new. Doesn't matter if its a working girl or your buddy's sister, everything comes with a risk. Have any of you guys taken a look at the partytreff section in the last year or two? Tons and tons of posts and links to bareback events. Why does it take a couple of posts here to rile you all up when there's hundreds of comments a thread over about barebacking? Here's a link to that section, go make those guys regret doing bareback for a few days.
[url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/forumdisplay.php?762-Germany-Partytreff-Clubs[/url][/QUOTE]Breadman I don't mean to make anyone regret. I am sharing information it is up to another person to evaluate it.
I totally agree with your statement that "std's are a risk anytime you bed someone new" but when you said this "Doesn't matter if its a working girl or your buddy's sister, everything comes with a risk"
-This is really inaccurate as I think my buddy's sister is not the same as a FKK prostitute that seems 10 men from all over the world in a day. Sex with a prostitute especially in FKK is way more risky breadman. There is a risk but the magnitude of the risk is different there LOL.
I don't comment on that barebacking thread as I will never visit those kind of plaec and I think men who go there don't have much to lose. In fact I think they just want an appointment with death IMHO. I didn't look at the link you gave as it serves no purpose to my needs.
[QUOTE=JJForum61; 1344071]With all due respect, STDs have nothing to do with marriage. You could spread select STDs if there is direct contact with infected skin.
Comparing apples and oranges. My job doesn't entail sleeping with hot chicks all day (although I wish it did, LOL). Not so in FKK, where there is a lot of fucking going on.
IMHO.[/QUOTE]Clarification, in case you missed it: A married monger is concerend about passing anything to his wife, much more than a non marreid one is concerned to pass it on to another woman. Yes, bad indeed, but such is life.
Yeah, I also understood that, but the comparison is wider: reporting people for any offense just on suspicion, is, to my opinion, a bad thing. In an FKK as much as anywhere else, since it affects similarly people's life.
For the rest, I am happy to leave you with the last word, hoping that we can close this discussion which is not specific to this thread, and has prevented any valuable info to be discussed since some time.
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub;1344051]If you drive on German highways and you don't want to take the risk, drive 100km / h on the right lane. I love to go 240km / h on the left lane.[/QUOTE]Now, driving at 240 [b]while[/b] getting a BBBJ from a teenage hooker and at the same time snorting a line of coke off the erect nipple of her mother, that is really living. Herpes be damned.
AM
[QUOTE=Angus Magee; 1344247]Now, driving at 240 [b]while[/b] Getting a BBBJ from a teenage hooker and at the same time snorting a line of coke off the erect nipple of her mother, that is really living. Herpes be damned.
AM[/QUOTE]As you mention it: I've [b]had[/b] A BBBJ with CIM from a EE hooker at 120km / h on the A5.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1344326]As you mention it: I've [b]had[/b] A BBBJ with CIM from a EE hooker at 120km / h on the A5.
HB[/QUOTE]Now we're talking!
Guys-all this talk about STDs gets a little tiring. We all know the score. Now let's get back to telling hooker stories.
AM
Hi guys,
Just a few lines, not to spread further panic but this is something I found out a few years ago, after a lot of mongering and countless BBBJ.
More or less we are all aware of STD and safety, but before vowing we never caught anything, I suggest to be visited by an urologist (fingering) and most important, have an ecography. I'm not a doctor, but as far as I know the prostate is an organ more or less like the liver, doesn't tell you it's going broken until it is in bad conditions. So, we may not catch big diseases which might make us realize we actually caught something (herpes is not a big disease but you realize you got it) , but we may catch plenty of infections which damage our prostate without realizing it. An ecography can show calcifications, they are the scars left from the infections. You can't get rid of scars, the more you have the more infections you suffered (probably in the meantime you carried on happily "operating", probably passing germs to your "sex provider", who furtherly distributed if she was a professional giving BBBJ) and the less good is (and will be) the health of your prostate, with consequences to be paid by aging earlier in that precious part of our body. You may be 30 and have the prostate of a 65 year old man.
Anybody can do what they like best, but not everybody is aware of this (I wasn't) , so I posted it thinking it is a helpful info.
Cheers
[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1344377]Hi guys,
Just a few lines, not to spread further panic but this is something I found out a few years ago, after a lot of mongering and countless BBBJ.
More or less we are all aware of STD and safety, but before vowing we never caught anything, I suggest to be visited by an urologist (fingering) and most important, have an ecography. I'm not a doctor, but as far as I know the prostate is an organ more or less like the liver, doesn't tell you it's going broken until it is in bad conditions. So, we may not catch big diseases which might make us realize we actually caught something (herpes is not a big disease but you realize you got it) , but we may catch plenty of infections which damage our prostate without realizing it. An ecography can show calcifications, they are the scars left from the infections. You can't get rid of scars, the more you have the more infections you suffered (probably in the meantime you carried on happily "operating", probably passing germs to your "sex provider", who furtherly distributed if she was a professional giving BBBJ) and the less good is (and will be) the health of your prostate, with consequences to be paid by aging earlier in that precious part of our body.
Cheers[/QUOTE]Thank you for this info. I shall be aware of this!
[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1344377]Hi guys,
Just a few lines, not to spread further panic but this is something I found out a few years ago, after a lot of mongering and countless BBBJ.
More or less we are all aware of STD and safety, but before vowing we never caught anything, I suggest to be visited by an urologist (fingering) and most important, have an ecography. I'm not a doctor, but as far as I know the prostate is an organ more or less like the liver, doesn't tell you it's going broken until it is in bad conditions. So, we may not catch big diseases which might make us realize we actually caught something (herpes is not a big disease but you realize you got it) , but we may catch plenty of infections which damage our prostate without realizing it. An ecography can show calcifications, they are the scars left from the infections. You can't get rid of scars, the more you have the more infections you suffered (probably in the meantime you carried on happily "operating", probably passing germs to your "sex provider", who furtherly distributed if she was a professional giving BBBJ) and the less good is (and will be) the health of your prostate, with consequences to be paid by aging earlier in that precious part of our body. You may be 30 and have the prostate of a 65 year old man.
Anybody can do what they like best, but not everybody is aware of this (I wasn't) , so I posted it thinking it is a helpful info.
Cheers[/QUOTE]OMG! This reads as if it is taken directly from my favorite tabloid. Scaremongering, and totally rubbish.
But you can believe what you want, of course, and refrain of any human activity. Masturbating may be harmful as well, remember when your local priest told you? ? And even driving less than100 km / h on the right lane can be fatal! Better stay home, in bed, doing nothing, waiting for death to happen.
I am posting my reply here in the lounge thread and moving these posts from the Oase thread:
[QUOTE=Tjohoo; 1344631]Around 50-70% of us adults are carrying the herpes virus, in other words "has got herpes". Most of us don't even know that we are carrying it. Most people gets one outbreak in their whole life and then are not reminded of it any more. The first outbreak can come a long long time after infection. A few of us gets outbreaks now and then.
I don't think we can ask up to 70% of the worlds men and women to give up sex or mongering.
You might even be one of them without knowing it!
T[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies; 1344632]Thankfully someone is retaining some common sense here, rather than paranoia.
Look there could well be guys that are HIV+ too. Are they going to stop fucking? No way. Fortunately some diseases with no cure are much harder to catch. Just consider not doing BBFS and looking after your cleanliness carefully, whether it is your dick, ass, mouth or your hands. Choose girls that are carefully cleaned too. When I go for DATY I can tell if a pussy is really cleaned properly or not.[/QUOTE]Tjohoo, you are confusing two types of herpes here. The 70% number relates to HSV1 or the herpes simplex 1 virus, more commonly associated with cold sores of the mouth. What Captain Cabin is referring to on the other hand is HSV2, genital herpes. While the incident rate of HSV2 varies widely by geography and ethnicity, it is much less prevalent than HSV1, particularly in Western countries. According to.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epidemiology_of_herpes_simplex[/url]
, in the US for example, incidence rates from a 1999-2004 study shows incidence rates of around 11-23.
HSV2 (genital herpes) is much more serious than HSV1 from a health standpoint. You can google herpes and read all about both types.
Still, you bring up a good point, that is that the incident rate is HSV2 (genital herpes) is not insignificantly small and especially given that many people are carriers who don't even know it, we must all acknowledge that there are probably plenty of Captain Cabins visiting the clubs. I found this article especially instructive:
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herpes_simplex[/url]
(plenty of citations to the source material cited). What I find especially worrisome is the fact that male condoms are only somewhat effective at reducing transmission of HSV2. So, it seems as Nordboer pointed out earlier, we are all just playing Russian Roulette here. The more we play, the higher the chance that our number will come up.
It's not clear to me that giving up BBBJ is the answer to limiting the risk of HSV2 infection. According to the web sites I read, transmission can occur even when wearing a condom during sex. And, although transmission by BBBJ is possible, it is unlikely because the HSV2 virus doesn't "like" to live in the mouth (although plenty of web sites acknowledge this is possible but rare). So, I don't even know if one is more likely to get HSV2 by sex when wearing condom or by getting BBBJ's.
I was just about to post the last part of Ultrahappy's post as well, I think you may be focusing a bit too much on BBBJs here.
Copied from Wikipedia:
Condom use is much more effective at preventing male to female transmission [of HSV 2] than vice-versa.
Condoms are good for HIV prevention and contraception but not a silver bullet for STDs. The occurrence of STDs varies a lot between individuals because different persons have different susceptibilities towards them, because of genetic makeup, general health and fitness level, age, existing conditions, sexual preferences etc. And last but not least simply the luck of the draw. So if one monger has not caught anything in 10000 encounters that may not be a good indication for another.
About the wiping (Oase thread). Actually this used to be commonplace in Germany too. And it would raise a lot of eyebrows, and even warnings in regional forums if a girl didn't do that, or even just did it poorly. And if you're used to it, it's not a big deal, almost like brushing your teeth in the morning. Some girls even understood to do it in a quite erotic way. But things have gone downhill (or uphill depending on your perspective) a lot on that. I do not remember an Oase girl ever doing that, and I've been there quite a bit at times. But it's also an illusion of sorts, since you can't get rid of any of the serious stuff by superficially cleaning parts of your body, and the world would be a lot easier if you could.
In general, unfortunately, one has to realize that 'not really that safe' practices like DFK, BBBJ, CIM that increased a lot in past years and also the girl hopping in FKK clubs have not exactly made the situation safer. Not to mention that AO also appears to be on the rise and, as you can read here, AO mongers will frequently visit FKKs soon after AO events.
But you always take risks in life and a discussion about that is pretty pointless, it's up to everyone himself to decide what risks to take and what not. I, for one, would be happy enough, if the regular health checks of the girls mandated by authorities would be taken more seriously, and maybe could be more frequent. But there appear to be significant lapses. For sure, club management could also take this more seriously, but many clubs don't care a lot.
This may be a dumb question, if so please skip.
I'm planning on visiting the clubs for a few straight days and on any given day I can usually finish 4 times. My goal is higher than that on my trip. Should I abstain before visiting to improve performance or do the opposite of that?
I do not take any medication and I am not interested in that.
Thank you for letting me ask the odd question.
There's a big difference between Herpes viruses and the other STDs: you can spread it (and others catch) only when you have the bubbles, when it's in process, therefore you know you have it and anyway shouldn't be able to have sex (because of the bubbles) , because you'd feel pain or burning. So, even if you are a carrier, you're not going to spread it unless you have it going on. Other STDs are always transmissible, herpeses are not.
Dreams, I agree totally with what you write, I'm still practising also. I just posted that for info, not for preaching.
[QUOTE=Brother3070; 1344685]This may be a dumb question, if so please skip.
I'm planning on visiting the clubs for a few straight days and on any given day I can usually finish 4 times. My goal is higher than that on my trip. Should I abstain before visiting to improve performance or do the opposite of that?
I do not take any medication and I am not interested in that.
Thank you for letting me ask the odd question.[/QUOTE]Like now for next week November trip I have not masturbrate for the past 2 week so all in 3 weeks LOL. Keep the sperm buddy.
[QUOTE=Neutron Flux;1344682]About the wiping (Oase thread). Actually this used to be commonplace in Germany too. And it would raise a lot of eyebrows, and even warnings in regional forums if a girl didn't do that, or even just did it poorly. And if you're used to it, it's not a big deal, almost like brushing your teeth in the morning. Some girls even understood to do it in a quite erotic way. But things have gone downhill (or uphill depending on your perspective) a lot on that. I do not remember an Oase girl ever doing that, and I've been there quite a bit at times. But it's also an illusion of sorts, since you can't get rid of any of the serious stuff by superficially cleaning parts of your body, and the world would be a lot easier if you could.[/QUOTE]Sigh. Well I guess you are right wipes don't do anything LOL. I mean why would you use wipes to clean before and after a person wtith be sores or serious skin disease right! I mean it is just a waste of money. Doctors and hospital and blood suckers for money I tell you LOL.
Well sometimes the acts of wiping shows she cares about her ehalth and well being and my expereince with lavinia in oase is where I see her deligently checks and inspects the penis. If a girl doesn't care and just pop the penis in her mouth well she may get an unswashed penis or maybe she will just suck on a penis full of lesion on chancre. But this would not happen as the lights in fkk especially in oase is very well lit. I mean the girl can just immediately spot a sore when you take of your towel. Basically I think it would at least show whether the working girl cares about her helath or not.
[QUOTE=EastGoing; 1344697]feel pain or burning. So, even if you are a carrier, you're not going to spread it unless you have it going on. Other STDs are always transmissible, herpeses are not.
Dreams, I agree totally with what you write, I'm still practising also. I just posted that for info, not for preaching.[/QUOTE]Fair enough, but what you wrote is not "info" unless you can substantiate it with your sources and the necessary scientific background. Never sen a scientific article suggesting preventive prostatic echography.
[QUOTE=Brother3070; 1344685]This may be a dumb question, if so please skip.
I'm planning on visiting the clubs for a few straight days and on any given day I can usually finish 4 times. My goal is higher than that on my trip. Should I abstain before visiting to improve performance or do the opposite of that?
I do not take any medication and I am not interested in that.
Thank you for letting me ask the odd question.[/QUOTE]I've tried two approaches:
1) 5 days without ejaculating.
2) 3 days without ejaculating.
3 days worked the best but when I tried this option I was using a new multivitamin and I think this was a huge contributing factor.
[QUOTE=CaptCabin; 1344771]My motto now "DAMN the HERPES and ENJOY the HOOKERS!".
Don't worry chances are I won't patron oase anywayz but would like to explore others clubs like mainhattan, palace and maybe world if time permits.[/QUOTE]Wonder what a girls reaction would be if she saw telltale signs of herpes on a guy she was about to fuck? Or had just started to fuck? I'd imagine it wouldn't be a pretty sight. No amount of conversation would calm the girl down. This would be at any club, even the RLD's. Don't think your going to be able to hide the sores the entire session, the girls face to face with you dick much of the time.
As to abstaining from sex after contracting herpes, highly unlikely that will ever happen with anybody who contracts it. Sex is human nature.
[QUOTE=Dreams;1344922]Fair enough, but what you wrote is not "info" unless you can substantiate it with your sources and the necessary scientific background. Never sen a scientific article suggesting preventive prostatic echography.[/QUOTE]An ecography wouldn't prevent anything. It would just show if you have calcifications, this meaning that in the past your prostate suffered infections (this doesn't mean HIV or similar, means just infections). It wouldn't tell you when, where, by whom, how strong, for how much time they lasted, etc. ; it would just tell you that you actually caught some infections in the past. It's just an info about your own health that you may be curious to know, since you can't go back into the past to take care of it, and the only way to prevent would be to pay more attention in choosing sex and sexpartners than we are actually willing to do. For scientific background, ask your doctor or search on the web, herpeses can be passed to others while in process, if they are in their "sleeping period", which is obviously the biggest part of an individual's life, they are harmless.
But it's also obvious: if you see your partner having an herpes even only on her lips, would you kiss her? Obviously no! But after a week, when she healed, or after some other days when also the scars have disappeared, would you avoid kissing her? No, because she'd be evidently ok. That's it
Could you guys recommend best fkk clubs to visit. I am just a tourist with lot of appetite.
[quote=eastgoing;1345082]it's just an info about your own health that you may be curious to know, since you can't go back into the past to take care of it, and the only way to prevent would be to pay more attention in choosing sex and sexpartners than we are actually willing to do. for scientific background, ask your doctor[/quote]the first thing that is taught in proper medical schools is that you do not prescribe medical interventions, whichever they are, that are not going to have any therapeutic consequence: i believe that performing an echography, as harmless as it can be, is not necessary if it just to get the vague info that you may have had prostatis earlier, which can be due to many other causes than stds anyway.
and yes, thanks, i have asked my doctor, myself in this case.
cheers
[QUOTE=Fundig;1345342]Could you guys recommend best fkk clubs to visit. I am just a tourist with lot of appetite.[/QUOTE]Hi. You really need to give a bit more info. Do you have a car? Are your hotel bookings fixed. Do you have a fixed itinerary? When you say Cologne does that include around Dusseldorf which is only 30 minutes away?
It is all personal opinion, but I would avoid Palace in Frankfurt. My preference in mid and north Hessen is always World simply because one can spend 12 hours there with no problems, but some people find the Ro / Bu monoculture a bit limiting.
Around Koln you need to decide if you are looking for a club for a day visit or a short visit
[QUOTE=Fundig;1345342]Could you guys recommend best fkk clubs to visit. I am just a tourist with lot of appetite.[/QUOTE]If you stay in Köln I can recommend Samya of course. A nice small club (25-35 girls) , with free beer and many young beautiful women. Easy to reach with car or public transportation.
T
[QUOTE=Fundig;1345342]Could you guys recommend best fkk clubs to visit. I am just a tourist with lot of appetite.[/QUOTE]If you're restricting yourself to 1 club a day and you have a car, I'd say Oase and Palace in FRA, ACA, GT, and Samya in DUSS / Koln.
Thanks for your replies guys.
I am not looking for car hire and though dates are not fixed as yet but I do travel on fixed itinerary. So looking for 3 days in frankfurt and 2 days in kloen. I can travel by train for an hour if that means access to better clubs.
And few more queries before I finalize my plans Isn't GT (goldentime) unfriendly to tourists. I am no Caucasian but okay looking asian.
Going through the suggestions and forums I think I'll be good at Oase, Palace (sharky and touristy is okay with me but poor service really ruins my mood so If that' the problem please advise) in frankfurt and Samya and ACA (Sure it means acapulco of velbert 50 min from kloen).
If you are using train / bus, then GT is a bit of a trek. And its door policy seems to be a little racist, but I know that asian looking guys do get in. The main thing is to be smart and not go in a group (unless they are white). It really is not a fair attitude.
Use [url]www.bahn.de[/url] For your travel information.
In Frankfurt don't forget easily accessible Mainhatten could be a possible venue if you are not happy with Palace / Oase.
Acapulco is worth trying as it is cheaper than Samya. And don't forget Berndts at Hennef (not far from Bonn)
Have a really good time.
[QUOTE=Fundig; 1345735]Thanks for your replies guys.
I am not looking for car hire and though dates are not fixed as yet but I do travel on fixed itinerary. So looking for 3 days in frankfurt and 2 days in kloen. I can travel by train for an hour if that means access to better clubs.[/QUOTE]I agree with Banana Boi about Acapulco and GT, but only if you have a car. If you using public transportation and are in Köln for 2 days I think Samya and LivingRoom are the best clubs to choose. Otherwise you will spend a lot of hours on busses and trains. Better to spend that time in the clubs with the girls!
T
[QUOTE=Fundig; 1345735]Thanks for your replies guys.
I am not looking for car hire and though dates are not fixed as yet but I do travel on fixed itinerary. So looking for 3 days in frankfurt and 2 days in kloen. I can travel by train for an hour if that means access to better clubs.
And few more queries before I finalize my plans Isn't GT (goldentime) unfriendly to tourists. I am no Caucasian but okay looking asian.
Going through the suggestions and forums I think I'll be good at Oase, Palace (sharky and touristy is okay with me but poor service really ruins my mood so If that' the problem please advise) in frankfurt and Samya and ACA (Sure it means acapulco of velbert 50 min from kloen).[/QUOTE]Around Frankfurt I would definitely recommend Oase and maybe World. Especially in Oase the line up is great (if you like eastern EU beauties) and Asians are very welcome there.
Around Koln I would avoid GT, but also ACA if you got used to the service of the girls in Oase. Optically the girls are great in ACA. Since you are near Koln, I would go for the already suggested Bernds Schieferhof (in Hennef, south from Koln) and / or Parksauna Residenz (in Lohmar, even closer to Koln) where the service (!) of the girls without any doubt is top, but the line-up is (much) smaller than in Oase. After 2 or 3 days in the club (s) around Frankfurt, this might be a good combination (sometimes I do the same: Friday to Oase, with more than 50% of the 100 girls is my taste, and Saturday on the way back I relax in Residenz, knowing that there will always be 2 or 3 girls of my taste available that offer super service).
Enjoy!
I have a tendency to like to finish with a CIM as an extra. An area of concern is the taste of my semen when I ejaculate in the girl's mouth. Now I know the cynics on this forum will say,"Who cares, she is getting paid for it so if she likes or not, she get 50 in Hessen or 25 extra in NRW clubs." I just think that this special sex act can be more enjoyable if the girl know that the sperm, it taste better (maybe sweet even if we can get there) or at last neutral so she is not spewing up saliva and bodily fluids that are a reaction from a man spunking in her mouth.
What I am trying to say is that some girls jump up immediately once you come and run as quick as possible to spit out your semen. If the semen was bearable or even better tasted okay she would not react so adversely and make you feel like a dirty man that just gave her a chilli flavour gummi bear with her running for cover.
I am just thinking that a few girls do taste the sperma and will even swallow some since it cannot be helped. So making it a pleasant experience may mean she act more girl friend like and stay on your cock holding your member until it is completely empty instead of your half coming and then while you are still spunking the remainder of the spunk, she run off with only the first spurts in her mouth to be spat out in the bin.
Also the thought of my babies going into the bin is a waste literally. Okay, I know who cares, as you spunk in a condom and that goes into the bin too, but I am talking about an intimate sex act that make it feel like you are with the girl friend and prolonging that suspension of belief by not having her getting up and running for the bin as soon as the first spurts shoot off.
I am just interested in advice or experiences on what men have done to get the spunk to be better tasting and also what they have done with girls to get them to stay on their cock until all the sperm is expunged or gone from their shaft.
I know that girls who do it are really cool with taking your spunk in their mouths and really making a good act of making you think that your spunk is the only thing in the world that they want to drink.
As an alternative angle. I know at Samya there was one Czech girl that had swallow as an extra and that was 50 and not 25 extra. Can you some fellow mongers relate their experiences with girls that have swallowed their come?
Thank you for any replies.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1345953]I am just interested in advice or experiences on what men have done to get the spunk to be better tasting[/QUOTE]Try with pineapple syrup. Ie. Drinking it.
Even better, ask the girls, they know for sure better than most of the readers on this board.
Kimino
[QUOTE=Yakob; 1345953]Can you some fellow mongers relate their experiences with girls that have swallowed their come?
Thank you for any replies.[/QUOTE]Marie of germany once swallowed my cum as I think I sprayed to fast and hard. She cough of some but she said she accidently had some. I apoligize profusely to her. I decided CIM last minute and I really can't handled my load. Marie of germany is one cool girl. I tipped her 20 euro extra for that as I felt really bad.
Will repeat marie of germany this November or December.
[QUOTE=Kimino; 1345957]Try with pineapple syrup. Ie. Drinking it.
Even better, ask the girls, they know for sure better than most of the readers on this board.
Kimino[/QUOTE]Well, this the thing. After I finish my sperm in their mouth and after they finish hacking and coughing up all my spunk into the rooom's bin, I ask the girls,"How does my sperm taste? Is it okay."
I always get a reply that my sperm taste okay or it is neutral. Some girls have even gone to say that it is sweet. I never get told that the taste is unplesant. I am not sure if they are sparing my feelings or that the taste is really not a big thing for them as they are getting paid.
I know that the taste can be dictated by diet. What else can be done?
I know that my first several comes in mouth in a day the response it the taste is okay and still remaining sweet. But it is the last one that you have had to reach into your soul to draw out of your self to finish, is the one come where the girl she say it is not so nice tasting, but she still swallow it.
I like it when they keep sucking and licking and pumping your cock until every single drop is miled out and is in their mouth. Some girls go back with their tongues, lips and mouths for a second or third sweep to make sure no more sperm is seeping out that they have no had in their mouth. It like they never want to share your man cream with anyone else. These are the real girl friend like sex acts that I pursue this hobby looking for. These girls are the ones that you keep secret and cherish.
I think a fruit diet may have something to do with it. I know the pineapple story from Thailand if the man want to finish in the woman's mouth she make the man drink the pineapple juice in certain quantity a day before they do the sex act.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1345963]I think a fruit diet may have something to do with it. I know the pineapple story from Thailand if the man want to finish in the woman's mouth she make the man drink the pineapple juice in certain quantity a day before they do the sex act.[/QUOTE]
Funny enough, this issue has already been discussed in [url]http://www.internationalsexguide.info/forum/showthread.php?2019-Links-to-Reports-of-Distinction&p=620871&viewfull=1#post620871[/url]
(which is actually just a link to the report itself in the RoD).
Here's the particular line you may want
[QUOTE=Euro100;620593](According to Debbie: smoking, in particular cigars, makes sperm taste bitter. The sweetest tasting sperm is obtained through drinking copious amounts of pineapple juice.)[/QUOTE]
though the whole thing is a fun read.
Gentleman,
I will be arriving Frankfortat7 am and leaving 10 PM same day (Thursday). This stop to visit FKK.
My question to the pros, do I need to book a hotel or should I just go to the FKK.
Second, what is the best place for morning crowd. I have been to Oase and Mainhattan in the past. I like Oasis more but never went this early in the morning.
[QUOTE=Yakob;1345953]What I am trying to say is that some girls jump up immediately once you come and run as quick as possible to spit out your semen. If the semen was bearable or even better tasted okay she would not react so adversely and make you feel like a dirty man that just gave her a chilli flavour gummi bear with her running for cover.[/QUOTE]Whether a girl jumps up and spits your prized come into the bin doesn't depend on it's taste, it depends on the girl. A girl who hates CIM but does it for the money feels disgust with the idea of having your juice in her mouth, a sweet tasting come will not change her perception. The girls who are not afraid of you come in their mouth will go on sucking you until you are dry no matter what your come tastes like.
HB
[QUOTE=Hessen Bub; 1346082]Whether a girl jumps up and spits your prized come into the bin doesn't depend on it's taste, it depends on the girl. A girl who hates CIM but does it for the money feels disgust with the idea of having your juice in her mouth, a sweet tasting come will not change her perception. The girls who are not afraid of you come in their mouth will go on sucking you until you are dry no matter what your come tastes like.
HB[/QUOTE]Correct!
I didn't fully understand the reason for the original question about the taste. I agree that the taste has very little to do with the way that the girl will handle the Cim, and especially the seconds following it, which normally is the more interesting part. My experience in FKKs is that usually the Cim is very fast and the girl usually rushes to spit, except in rare cases.
Kimino
One amusing occasion was when not only did I come in the girl's mouth but she accidentally managed to get it in her nose via the internal route. Once she got her breath back she thought it was funny. Not the normal way of removing come from the mouth