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[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2178227]Umm. No, suprisingly enough we were refering to the "verified, unedited comments".[/QUOTE]Ok. But then "unedited comments" by whom if not by the customers who booked the girl already? You mean the "unedited comments" by the girl in her profile regarding her own age, weight and so on? I thought those were simply claimed data points. Guess I never thought of them as "unedited comments". Otherwise, I don't recall ever reading "unedited comments" by the girls in their Smooci profiles unless that is something only premium members can read.
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[QUOTE=SexInStl;2178366]Smooci provides a specific service, and what works on ThaiFriendly, isn't necessarily conducive to the way Smooci does business and vice versa. Next thing you know we'll be asking for a special button we can press to let the hooker know to clean the bathroom before she leaves our hotel![/QUOTE]SmoociApp is the poster who first compared its methods and service favorably to "dating sites" in this particular discussion. By contrast, I am one who questioned it. That being the case, I thought it useful to point out the rather huge advantage for "dating sites" in that the potential customer and the P4P girl can have a brief and private exchange in order for both to better verify whatever is important to them and to better assess the decision to book a meeting.
Personally, I have never "haggled" with a P4P girl on a dating site before setting up an appointment with her. Never needed to and if it ever felt like I was "haggling", I'd close the conversation and move on to the next girl.
Instead, it turns out that many of us, me included I suppose, will have a greater chance of getting positive response to the 1-2 critical details that I need to know before I would even consider booking a P4P girl I have never met in the flesh when I can exchange simple chat pleasantries with her first, more improved chance if I send the girl current photos of me, and even greater chance of positive response when I can engage in no more than one minute of video chatting with her just to say "hi" (and, of course, all of those means of pre-booking personal contact are trumped if I meet them in person first. But that isn't the way an online service like Smooci or a dating site works, right?).
I am not saying I am so good-looking that a girl is unlikely to refuse the 1-2 details that matter to me once she has seen my photos, video chatted with me or met me in person. Rather, I just think most punters would get a more positive response to the 1-2 things they really want in the deal before booking when they can make a personal connection with the girl first. Makes sense, right? Yes, one can book a girl for 3,750+ baht first and then find out when she arrives if this will be one of those times or not. But, again, not much reason to make that bet when there are dating sites that provide a means to fill in the missing piece of prior personal contact and greatly reduce the risk of a bad session where Smooci's business model cannot. Or has not.
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My Two Cents.
Escorts sites and dating sites are different platforms that serve different needs. Smooci is a user friendly almost instant result escort booking site with lots of choice. Prices and services are clearly shown. Its obviously successful and a great addition to the P4P scene. That said it's not perfect, the main issue being dated pics and misleading age profiles.
Smooci say this is the exception rather than the rule. Umm not my experience from I admit just two bookings.
They say girls who mislead are eventually "punished ' for their misdeeds by losing clients or being banned if sufficient complaints are made. I suppose this depends on how much of their business is repeat, how much is transient and how many clients will complain.
I suggest once again Smooci must try and verify age, its not difficult. They say most of the profiles are accurate if so why should the girls be reluctant to have their age verified. Could it be that most clip a few years off?
I don't use dating sites but from reading posts they seem to require significant time and effort in finding a suitable hookup. Being able to have face time and chit chat before meeting up is an obvious plus along the possibility of a genuine GFE by being with somebody who is not a professional.
Both have their distinctive advantages. I suppose if one has the time and know how to navigate, dating sites are preferable to escort sites, at least you know what to expect when you open the door and have confirmed what services will follow.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2178408]SmoociApp is the poster who first compared its methods and service favorably to "dating sites" in this particular discussion. By contrast, I am one who questioned it. That being the case, I thought it useful to point out the rather huge advantage for "dating sites" in that the potential customer and the P4P girl can have a brief and private exchange in order for both to better verify whatever is important to them and to better assess the decision to book a meeting.
Personally, I have never "haggled" with a P4P girl on a dating site before setting up an appointment with her. Never needed to and if it ever felt like I was "haggling", I'd close the conversation and move on to the next girl.
Instead, it turns out that many of us, me included I suppose, will have a greater chance of getting positive response to the 1-2 critical details that I need to know before I would even consider booking a P4P girl I have never met in the flesh when I can exchange simple chat pleasantries with her first, more improved chance if I send the girl current photos of me, and even greater chance of positive response when I can engage in no more than one minute of video chatting with her just to say "hi" (and, of course, all of those means of pre-booking personal contact are trumped if I meet them in person first. But that isn't the way an online service like Smooci or a dating site works, right?).
I am not saying I am so good-looking that a girl is unlikely to refuse the 1-2 details that matter to me once she has seen my photos, video chatted with me or met me in person. Rather, I just think most punters would get a more positive response to the 1-2 things they really want in the deal before booking when they can make a personal connection with the girl first. Makes sense, right? Yes, one can book a girl for 3,750+ baht first and then find out when she arrives if this will be one of those times or not. But, again, not much reason to make that bet when there are dating sites that provide a means to fill in the missing piece of prior personal contact and greatly reduce the risk of a bad session where Smooci's business model cannot. Or has not.[/QUOTE]The basic problem with that is that once they make contact with you, why would they need to go through the service?
It happens enough as it is, but at least the way it's set up now, the ones who want to cheat the service are still paying the fee for having at least one date.
An unscrupulous hooker could just wait to be contacted through the site every night, talk to the John and then just meet up outside the service, eliminating a need to pay the fee and essentially getting free advertising.
What works for ThaiFriendly doesn't necessarily work for Smooci and vice versa.
I see your point, I just don't think it would be conducive to the way their site is set up.
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[QUOTE=SexInStl;2178472]The basic problem with that is that once they make contact with you, why would they need to go through the service?
It happens enough as it is, but at least the way it's set up now, the ones who want to cheat the service are still paying the fee for having at least one date.
An unscrupulous hooker could just wait to be contacted through the site every night, talk to the John and then just meet up outside the service, eliminating a need to pay the fee and essentially getting free advertising.
What works for ThaiFriendly doesn't necessarily work for Smooci and vice versa.
I see your point, I just don't think it would be conducive to the way their site is set up.[/QUOTE]As I stated in my earlier posts, neither do I. Yet. And for the very same reasons you cited.
But the inability of the prospective customer to engage in some kind of personal and private exchange with the girl re specific requests and live photo/video sharing before committing to a booking (for the benefit of both sides) will provide the ongoing competitive edge to dating sites over any escort service related business model. So it'll have to be faced and dealt with at least as a point of discussion for any such business claiming to be a work in progress and receptive to the idea of overcoming prospective customer objections rather than pretending they aren't there.
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[QUOTE=SmoociApp;2178227]Umm. No, suprisingly enough we were refering to the "verified, unedited comments".[/QUOTE]Are you considering adding Chiang Mai to the list of locations?
I think there is large gap and opportunity for this type of service there.
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[QUOTE=Adaptivia;2178946]Are you considering adding Chiang Mai to the list of locations?
I think there is large gap and opportunity for this type of service there.[/QUOTE]Actually I agreed with you too.
Have demands but lack of supply. I should say not much proper good repute establishment to offer the services from the girls.
In fact from what I know and experienced in Chiangmai before, never lack of supply of girls willing to provide the services. But they need some proper agents or site for them to list on.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2178535]As I stated in my earlier posts, neither do I. Yet. And for the very same reasons you cited.
But the inability of the prospective customer to engage in some kind of personal and private exchange with the girl re specific requests and live photo/video sharing before committing to a booking (for the benefit of both sides) will provide the ongoing competitive edge to dating sites over any escort service related business model. So it'll have to be faced and dealt with at least as a point of discussion for any such business claiming to be a work in progress and receptive to the idea of overcoming prospective customer objections rather than pretending they aren't there.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying it's wrong to give a business input on what they can do to improve their services.
I'm not saying it's wrong to have special requests in how you want your girl.
But Thai Friendly and Smooci are two different types of business set-ups.
Thai Friendly makes ALL of their income off of people who sign up for Premium membership. The girls are free to come and go as they please.
I'm assuming Smooci has some sort of fee, or stipend per call for the girls (either from them or the agency they work for), as the primary income. That means the girls they have available are a premium to them, and they can't afford to lose business to guys / girls who set up appointments outside the system. That would defeat the whole purpose.
Now you CAN, be a premium member, but I would think there are plenty of people who use the system who aren't. You can still find quality girls without it. The majority of people who use a service like smooci, do so for convenience, structured familiarity, and generalized sexual services. You can use the service where you only pay if you find someone you want. It's set up for a mainstream user.
The majority of people who use Thai Friendly are a little more seasoned type of monger. You pay your money for the time, REGARDLESS if you score or not. It's just a free for all. And even then you're still not sure you get what you think you will, and there are no reviews to go by.
An important aspect of services like smooci is to protect the girls. Make it an easy environment to profit from, while still giving the customer as much information as possible.
Because the truth is, these girls DON'T want to negotiate. Very few of these girls give two shits about what WE want. They HATE this business. Even the one's who want to do it right, really don't want to negotiate or have to deviate much from the standard sexual offering.
Smooci gives the one's who want to do it right an opportunity to work it hassle-free, and the REVIEW process is in place to try and keep them up to an acceptable standard.
Opening up a dialogue with customers would mean opening the girls up to the same situation they get when they work on Thai Friendly. "Can you do this?" "Can you do that?" "Can you do it for this much?" "Can my two friends join in for free?
I think we're forgetting how much bullshit these girls have to go through sometimes in dealing with people.
Why wouldn't they just go to Thai Friendly and go through that for FREE?
Can a smooci girl fuck up and not provide BBBJ when she's at your place even though it says it on her profile? YES, and you can review her for it as punishment.
Can a Thai Friendly girl fuck up and not provide BBBJ when she's at your place even though she promised that in conversation beforehand? YES, and then she's free to continue to do that to the others on Thai Friendly.
You get better pictures on smooci, an actual menu, reviews, a set rate, and generally, I would think, a higher standard of professionalism.
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Smooci feedback
If I were to offer suggestions to smooci, they would be:
1) A fee offer button? I could see that.
Maybe even something like eBay, where the girls or agency can set it up to automatically refuse offers below a certain amount. I'm one of those people, I prefer to just buy what it is at the price it is, but I can see how some people might like the idea, and, with no hassle, the girls can say yes or no.
2) (And I'm sure they already TRY and do this) Try to set a higher standard on pictures, even giving the ladies examples of what works best. Maybe even set up a picture day, where you bring in a photographer and they can come in and get their pictures done for free.
3) And video. Geez, it's 2018 and cell phone technology is such that you can shoot in 4 K, you'd think these girls would take advantage of that. Make a nice video, "Hi, my name is Banana, I want to come and see you!" Flash a little boobie, or wiggle their butt. It's not rocket science.
4) (And I'm not sure if they have this already or not) Yes, maybe find a way to communicate to the customer. Get a girl with a good grasp of English to actually be available to talk to the customer if they have questions or requests. Someone who's not actually performing services, but has an understanding of it, as well as an empathy for the customer. (Though I do understand the, uh, liabilities of this as well.).
Just some thoughts.
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[QUOTE=SexInStl;2179500]Because the truth is, these girls DON'T want to negotiate. Very few of these girls give two shits about what WE want. They HATE this business. Even the one's who want to do it right, really don't want to negotiate or have to deviate much from the standard sexual offering.
You get better pictures on smooci, an actual menu, reviews, a set rate, and generally, I would think, a higher standard of professionalism..[/QUOTE]There is always negotiations if they haven't made any money and are almost broke. I think a girl in this situation would jump at the chance to negotiate. As to photo's, way too many photos on smooci and on the escort websites in my opinion. Thai friendly and even smooci Manila has better 'real photos'.
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My two cents.
Pics are difficult to verify. Professional lighting, readily available appearance altering apps together with good hairstyling make up and clothes can make anybody appear a lot more attractive than they are. Just check out Instagram for girls you know. So it's difficult for Smooci to control this aspect of the profile. Not so age but enough on that.
An interactive feature would be worthwhile and technically possible but both expensive for Smooci and most likely not something most girls would agree to.
With respect the idea of having a feature to allow bidding for services is on many levels a non starter and in my opinion would lower the tone and sense of professionalism the app currently enjoys.
I would however suggest Smooci could expand escort"s personal details. I notice weight is omitted and I would add shaved or not and whether she has tattoos or breast enhancement both personal turn offs for me.
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[QUOTE=SexInStl;2179500]
Can a smooci girl fuck up and not provide BBBJ when she's at your place even though it says it on her profile? YES, and you can review her for it as punishment.
Can a Thai Friendly girl fuck up and not provide BBBJ when she's at your place even though she promised that in conversation beforehand? YES, and then she's free to continue to do that to the others on Thai Friendly.
[/QUOTE]I prefer the way a ThaiFriendly girl can be punished for not providing what she promised; you reduce the agreed upon payment accordingly. Might even be reduced to zero or cab fare so nominal it is near zero.
Are there any instances of this happening with girls booked through Smooci? Seems to me I read reviews here of girls booked through Smooci who don't really deliver their promised services or do a poor job of it yet they apparently walk away with the full price listed on Smooci, which in all likelihood started out double or more what a similar girl would have agreed to on ThaiFriendly.
Yes, the Smooci girl might get a lower Star Rating from the customer as long as she didn't wow the customer and win him over with a wonderful life story about what a drunk her Thai baby daddy was, how much he beat her and how she needs the money (oh, and a really high Star Rating, please) to help pay for grandpa's third liver transplant.
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[QUOTE=EihTooms;2179701]Yes, the Smooci girl might get a lower Star Rating from the customer as long as she didn't wow the customer and win him over with a wonderful life story about what a drunk her Thai baby daddy was, how much he beat her and how she needs the money (oh, and a really high Star Rating, please) to help pay for grandpa's third liver transplant.[/QUOTE]Some girls have been on Smooci for months now and haven't gotten any reviews, really have to question if they are that ugly never to be booked or Smooci isn't putting up reviews because of agency's telling them to turn off that feature.
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Escorts generally are paid within 10 minutes of arrival as against I presume on her way home in the case of Thai Friendly hook ups. That first 10 minutes is therefore important, firstly in deciding whether you want to continue because she is nothing like her profile in looks or age and secondly whether she confirms that her listed services are in fact available. It would not be fair sending her home because she will not provide something not listed such as BBFS or swallowing.
As to quality of service and whether this meets expectations or not and consequently whether the full fee is paid, this is a mute point and very subjective.
With escorts because you have paid upfront forget about money back. Post a review and forget it. In situations where you are paying at the end of the session its obviously up to each of us to do what we feel is appropriate.
Personally I have rarely not paid what I agreed and that would have been because she was behaving very very badly or didn't deliver what was agreed. It would not be because she wasn't very enthusiastic or her skill set wasn't up to par.
I don't know if it's possible to have commonly accepted guidelines as what is acceptable or not but for example saying to the girl here's a 1000 instead of the 2000 we agreed because your blow job was very lackluster and you weren't really into the boom boom I don't feel is the way to go.
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[QUOTE=SexInStl;2179500]Thai Friendly makes ALL of their income off of people who sign up for Premium membership. The girls are free to come and go as they please.
I'm assuming Smooci has some sort of fee, or stipend per call for the girls (either from them or the agency they work for), as the primary income. That means the girls they have available are a premium to them, and they can't afford to lose business to guys / girls who set up appointments outside the system. That would defeat the whole purpose.[/QUOTE]We only monetize through premium client memberships. We do offer a premium escort membership which offers them more features and promotion, but most agencies and girls operate on the site for free and at the moment the client memberships are by far our main source of income.
We don't take any fee or cut from the booking fees.