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helpee closing
the article quotes manny as saying "i think it would be difficult to get us out of here before march". he leaves the door open, however, as to whether they'll ever be able to get them out.
two things are key in this fight:
1) help's 25 lease on the property runs out this october.
2) will rio get the olympics?
the first means that after october it becomes slightly easier to move them out of there, because the state only has to really deal with the owners and not their leasees.
the second is important because in order to get the cash and sustained political will to confirep001e the property, the state of rdj is probably going to need some federal help. or at least certainly wants it. a succesful olympic bid will give them the political impetus necessary to "clean up" (right) that stretch of copacabana.
of course, there could be behind the scenes stuff going on as well. no doubt.
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[QUOTE=Exec Talent]Yeah, maybe he was there on a Sunday night and overheard all the little kids say, "mommy, mommy, look at the garish sign."
The book and the author is full of crap. I was being kind in my review and picked a passage that most could identify as hyperbole.
Not complaining, just stating facts.[/QUOTE]You are full of crap.
L`uomo is indeed located in a shopping mall. The sign is indeed visible from the street and is quite garish. The author is not exagerating any more than you or most people do when writing about Brazil.
Also, I can think of at least three other brothels or termas located in shopping malls in Rio. Downtown is full of houses which are in normal, straight, everyday buildings.
It seems to me that you are simply jealous that a guy wrote a book talking about shit that you feel only you have the right to talk about.
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[QUOTE=Member #1461]1.After the actual marriage has been performed, I know I need to ask for a permanent residency visa (which i can do because I will have a brasilian spouse), but I will in fact be in a visa "limbo" if my tourist visa ran its full length (90 or 180 days) and I do not yet have the residency visa approved (which I understand can take several months). What should I do then in order to stay legally in brasil once my turist visa has expired while waiting for the permanent residency visa? Any advice from someone who has been through this proccess would be greatly appreciated. [/QUOTE]You are allowed to stay in Brazil while your visa request is processed. They will give you a piece of paper with your request number and info on it when you ask for residency status. Do not lose that paper! It is proof that you have a right to be in-country while your visa request is processed.
[QUOTE] 2. Can I buy a property (house) in Brasil while I am already registered to marry with a brasilian woman but am not yet actually married and not yet a resident in brasil (meaning I am still a gringo on a tourist visa while buying it ) ? also any advice from someone who has already purchased a house in brasil, on the paperwork that is required, and especially how to not be scammed while buying a house in Brasil (such as how to verify that the person who sells the house is the actual owner, or that the owner hasnt mortgaged the house to get a loan from a bank etc etc).[/QUOTE]As far as I know, you don't need residency status to buy property. You need to get a good, reliable lawyer who will look up all the property's paperwork for a fee. Your consulate should have a list of trustworthy lawyers. Note that as soon as you marry, your wife will have a 50% share of that property, so I hope she is trustworthy.
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[QUOTE=Quincas] Note that as soon as you marry, your wife will have a 50% share of that property, so I hope she is trustworthy.[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Just remember to make a prenuptial with complete separation of the property. She won't even have right for anything that's been acquired during the marriage.
Only thing is if your income is relevantly different into your advantage,in possible separation you might have to pay alimony.
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[QUOTE=Quincas]You are full of crap.
L`uomo is indeed located in a shopping mall. The sign is indeed visible from the street and is quite garish. The author is not exagerating any more than you or most people do when writing about Brazil.
Also, I can think of at least three other brothels or termas located in shopping malls in Rio. Downtown is full of houses which are in normal, straight, everyday buildings.
It seems to me that you are simply jealous that a guy wrote a book talking about shit that you feel only you have the right to talk about.[/QUOTE]
I hardly ever participate these talks, but now.
1. L'uomo isn't located in shopping mall. What ever you may think.
2. The sign isn't relly visible to the street. One may see it IF one knows where to look for it.
3. Three posts, of which one is full of false information and this one ranting on a Senior member.... Not the best start.
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[QUOTE=Perkele]1. L'uomo isn't located in shopping mall. What ever you may think. [/QUOTE]Shopping mall: a building which is full of little stores and which is principally dedicated to shopping. That is indeed what the building is.
Now, you can split hairs all you like and claim the place isn't exactly like the South Westgate Hills Mall near your home. OK, fine. But "shopping mall" is indeed the closest yank analogy one could give that building. Other people below have posted the same opinion. I am just reinforcing it.
[QUOTE]3. Three posts, of which one is full of false information and this one ranting on a Senior member.... Not the best start.[/QUOTE]When the man slashes other people, he should expect to be called out on his own bullshit.
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Yeah, a prenup would cover him. The guy is going to need a good lawyer to do that, though. He's not going to be able to do it himself and cover all the loopholes.
From what he's posted, it looks like he's already registered the marriage date at the cartório and, IIRC, they already ask you for the terms you're getting married under when you do that.
The default agreement, unless you specify something else, is a 50/50 split of all property acquired after the marriage.
While we're on the topic, common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone, provided that person can prove you've been sexually intimate. This can now even be argued even if both people are of the same sex (which shouldn't be a problem here!)
So the proper thing to do is to buy property and only then get married or live with someone.
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[quote=perkele]finally someone got it.
i've been living in brasil for several years and i mostly live aongst them. believe me, they look down every single *****monger. they would do just about anything to be able to stop sexual tourism and there is not much compassion in their minds for poor mongers who get themselves in trouble with gdps.
my opinion is, *****s won't make good girlfriends. nice toys, that one never shouldn't keep too long. we're paying for them to go away in the morning.[/quote]perkele is spot on here.
brazil is not necessarily more liberal about prostitution than any place else. people might not think it's worth spending money to stamp it out, but the general stereotype is that *****s are cockroachs, the men who go with them are little better and gringos who go with them are all fat, old ****s who are here to molest our children.
in spite of all the crap that gets bullied about regarding how brazilian women just love older foreign men, in general, the rule of thumb is she's with you because you're paying and if she can rip you off without it coming back on her, she will.
yes, there are plenty of exceptions to that rule. it is still the rule.
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Sorry to beat a dead horse here. I'd have added this to my last post, but I can't edit, so.
L'uomo's own website describes the place as being located in a shopping mall. Many other posters here have described it as such as well. There are also other brothels and termas located in shopping malls in Rio. There's one out in Madrueira, IIRC. The Edifício Central on Rio Branco is considered by most cariocas to be a shopping mall and it contains several privés and at least one small termas (or did before the police started busting them). There're a couple more places as well.
This is a nit to pick, surely, but that's precisely the point: Exec is dissing someone else's work and his arguments are completely based on nits.
The point the author was making is that brothels and such are sprinkled about town, mixed in with normal commerce. And while we may disagree about how "garish" L'Uomo's sign is, I guarantee that everyone in the neighborhood. Kids included. Knows exactly what goes on in there.
To criticize a man's book as "crap" based on these sorts of nits is pretty damned silly, in my opinion. Your mileage obviously varies.
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[QUOTE=Quincas]In spite of all the crap that gets bullied about regarding how Brazilian women just love older foreign men, in general, the rule of thumb is she's with you because you're paying and if she can rip you off without it coming back on her, she will.[/QUOTE]
I never heard anything about brazilian women just love older foreign men. I guess I have something nice to look forward to.
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[QUOTE=Quincas]Yeah, a prenup would cover him. The guy is going to need a good lawyer to do that, though. He's not going to be able to do it himself and cover all the loopholes.
From what he's posted, it looks like he's already registered the marriage date at the cartório and, IIRC, they already ask you for the terms you're getting married under when you do that.
The default agreement, unless you specify something else, is a 50/50 split of all property acquired after the marriage.
While we're on the topic, common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone, provided that person can prove you've been sexually intimate. This can now even be argued even if both people are of the same sex (which shouldn't be a problem here!)
So the proper thing to do is to buy property and only then get married or live with someone.[/QUOTE]
What are you talking about? You don't need a lawyer since the law regognises only 3 kinds of marital agreements. 1 no prenup. 2 partial separation and 3 complete separation. Now what comes to common law marriage, the partners have to live officially in same address. Or register in cartorio.
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ET,
Thanks for your review of the book. I was toying with the idea of getting it, but now, I now what to expect.
On that note, is it me or are Quincas and "Joe" (the author of that new book) related? :o
[QUOTE=Christopherd]Thanks for the tip, Sprite. My copy arrived today. :)[/QUOTE]
Chris,
I'd be curious to see what you think of that book (Rio de Janeiro, by Ruy Castro) as this is a book that spends a lot of time on Carnaval and the roots of it. I personally rank that book as one of my favorites on Rio.
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[QUOTE=Quincas]To criticize a man's book as "crap" based on these sorts of nits is pretty damned silly, in my opinion. Your mileage obviously varies.[/QUOTE]
If my memory is correct, isn't the book itself based on a series of articles for Hustler magazine? Have you actually seen the level of "journalism" offered by Huster magazine? If you haven't, "crap" is actually a pretty descriptive term...
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[quote=quincas]perkele is spot on here.
brazil is not necessarily more liberal about prostitution than any place else. people might not think it's worth spending money to stamp it out, but the general stereotype is that *****s are cockroachs, the men who go with them are little better and gringos who go with them are all fat, old ****s who are here to molest our children.
in spite of all the crap that gets bullied about regarding how brazilian women just love older foreign men, in general, the rule of thumb is she's with you because you're paying and if she can rip you off without it coming back on her, she will.
yes, there are plenty of exceptions to that rule. it is still the rule.[/quote]
welcome back macunaima!!! were you kicked out of another forum??
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[QUOTE=Perkele]What are you talking about? You don't need a lawyer since the law regognises only 3 kinds of marital agreements. 1 no prenup. 2 partial separation and 3 complete separation. Now what comes to common law marriage, the partners have to live officially in same address. Or register in cartorio.[/QUOTE]Correct on "living together officially at the same address". I guess when I said "common law marriage in Brazil can be argued to exist from the moment you start living with someone", I wasn't being specific enough. I should have specified that "living together" means "at the same address". I'm sorry to have caused you confusion, Perkele, and will try tobe clearer in the future.
However, "officially", in a court of law (and absent cartório registration), basically means having received mail - or better yet a bill - at said address. That ain't hard to orchestrate and doesn't need a trip to the cartório or the partner's agreement, or even knowledge.
As for "prenup", I mean complete separation with all the legal details thoroughly explained and covered. Those instant, generic "complete separation" agreements have been known to be overturned by zealous judges in cases where they think a defendent's ignorance has been abused (read in cases where they think they can screw a gringo). AFAICS, this guy isn't even aware that he has a choice when he makes a marriage agreement and he's seriously thinking about buying significant property after marriage. He shouldn't go ahead any further without competent legal advice.
Brazilian family law is complex and it's one of the few parts of the legal system that actually works there. There's one thing I know for certain: unless you are a Brazilian lawyer (I know I am not), neither of us are experts in Brazilian family law.
Member #1461 should get advice from someone who is before making any more decisions.