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SA and Argentina
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604322]Thanks, Elvis, but my question was more specific, I wanted to know whether SA works there or not. I spent 1 month in Rio this past summer, and my experience with SA was questionable. I had only met 1 girl off SA, but it was a 100% hit. All others either flaked, or never responded. Pickings were extra slim, for some reason SA is not popular there and girls, who signed up, are not really active. At the same time I saw plenty of hot 8+ women at the beach, bars, malls, etc, so the problem was not the talent, I know the talent is there, but the fact that they don't utilize SA or Tinder for some reason. My lack of Portuguese and pickup skills prevented me from approaching girls in public. Is it any different in Sao Paulo? Again, I'm not questioning the fact that SP has great talent, sure it does, but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA? And if so, are they more expensive or cheaper compared to Colombia?[/QUOTE]As discussed previously mostly good places for legal P4 P are poor for Seeking. There are exceptions but that is the rule. Thus SP and Rio will suck. One might infer therefore Argentina is good because P4 P sucks imo. I had an AMAZING Seeking girl Valentina from Buenos Aires. She was Peruvian. We were inseparable for three days and went to the sex club together. One of my top life experiences (later I flew her to London and she dumped me. Ouch). Anyhow only one datapoint. But wowza!
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So Worth It
[QUOTE=Akibono;2604080]Sooner or later we all get burned. I call that the built in price for a SB. You just have to be able to take the loss and move on. The loss of time, money and opportunity is very frustrating. That is the primary difference between a SB and an escort. You never know what you are getting. As you well know, being able to correctly read people is helpful, but you have very little facts to go on. I find the uncertainty frustrating. Some people have backup plans. I find that just complicates the matter. There are just so many duds and flakes. I guess girls with their life in order usually don't choose the SB route. Still, the magic of the find makes the effort worth it. From what I gather, it is probably even more difficult for the girls. People like you who can and are willing to put up money for a good time are scarce. They have to weed through a huge pile of crap and BS artists that either don't have any money or want it for free. In the end, I know I will fail a lot, but I am not afraid of walking away. I know I can deliver the goods and if a SB thinks they can find a better deal with lose in the end. There simply are not that many people with the income, situation, and tolerance of flakes out there to be found.[/QUOTE]So true. I got burned once. (Valentina) Learned my lesson. And the amount of work is epic. But having successfully bedded 28 girls on SA in the last two years (with a damn pandemic!) and currently fucking Kayla bareback every night I'the say yeah. Life is good and SA rocks!
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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604322]but I'm wondering if that talent (let's say, of Scandallo quality) could be found on SA? [/QUOTE]Have you been to Scandallo? Having read your posts before, I am a little surprised that you use it as a standard for girls as almost anyone can get in. And why not just go there?
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[QUOTE=Steve9696;2604380]So true. I got burned once. (Valentina) Learned my lesson. And the amount of work is epic. But having successfully bedded 28 girls on SA in the last two years (with a damn pandemic!) and currently fucking Kayla bareback every night I'the say yeah. Life is good and SA rocks![/QUOTE]I have had a lot of paid encounters. Most are good but forgettable, but a small number are just so good and so rare. You spend a lifetime chasing more. They may not all be found as SBs. For some reason you clicked. It was the right place at the right time. And she enjoyed fucking you silly. I know a few girls that enjoy pleasing a man as long as she trusts and feels safe with you. They are all too rare and too after taken.
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SA Basics
My thoughts:
1. I'm concerned about my privacy. Do you post your photos on SA? And do you they include your face? Also, do you introduce yourself to girls with your real name? It sounds like some of these SA meets last several hours, so it would be nice to avoid awkward situations where it's obvious you're faking (like if you show your ID at a hotel or something) - but maybe it's normal to have an alias, and the girls aren't phased by it?
Steve — I do not have a photo and never felt it a hindrance. The girls will generally ask at some point. Newbies tend to ask early and pros not at all. Tho sometimes newbies don't even ask or ask late because they are awkward with the whole thing.
2. It sounds like SA girls really don't want to be seen as too transactional, so are there shortcuts to find ones that are more DTF than others? I'm filtering on 'friends with benefits' and 'no strings attached', but maybe there's a better way?
Steve — Def FWB is best indicator. You will find girls without that tag that will hook up first date. But FWB is a more sure screen.
3. I live in a city where it sounds like there are plenty of SBs to be found. But do you have girls over to your own place in your home city, or just get a hotel? I'd rather not be at home because I don't want the girl seeing my personal stuff that they can tie to my identity, or showing up at my place uninvited after we were supposed to part ways. But maybe I'm overthinking it?
Steve — Always hotel. Never let a girl in your personal space. Checkin by yourself (she can wait in lobby or show up later) because you don't want desk clerk saying your name out loud. Midwestern is right that longer term girls will prob figure out your name. But still take as many precautions as possible. (P.S. Hotel tv usually has your name on first screen).
4. I'm going to Vegas in a couple of weeks, and that seems like a great place to try SA since I can be anonymous and staying in a hotel. But I'll only have one free night, and it seems like a lot of the SA stories here have multiple encounters to get real payback. Is worth even trying if I only have one night in Vegas?
Steve — Hell yes you can have an amazing one night date in vegas. Best to say you are there a couple nights. But I have had two top 5 SA dates in Vegas. And one was Alexa that I flew to Miami. So our vegas connection was the key to something longer term.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2604444]Have you been to Scandallo? Having read your posts before, I am a little surprised that you use it as a standard for girls as almost anyone can get in. And why not just go there?[/QUOTE]Because I don't want to be charged by the hour, be in a rush, pay all those extra fees to the establishment and fuck in a tiny room. And I'm not a weekend warrior.
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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604598]Because I don't want to be charged by the hour, be in a rush, pay all those extra fees to the establishment and fuck in a tiny room. And I'm not a weekend warrior.[/QUOTE]But it is none of that. Room, maybe but like everywhere else it can be extended and you don't need to fuck in their room. It's a fun place. A little more expensive, but worth it.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2604716]But it is none of that. Room, maybe but like everywhere else it can be extended and you don't need to fuck in their room. It's a fun place. A little more expensive, but worth it.[/QUOTE]I'm not saying it is not a fun place, but my best dates with SA girls beat my best brothels / strip clubs session by a huge margin. Scandallo is a good option for weekend warriors, high ballers or someone who prefers to grab and go, but not really my scene.
I guess SA is not popular in both Rio and SP, because P4 P scene is well developed. On the other hand, in places like MDE or BOG, well known for p4 p scene, SA is highly utilized along with FB and Tinder.
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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604598]Because I don't want to be charged by the hour, be in a rush, pay all those extra fees to the establishment and fuck in a tiny room. And I'm not a weekend warrior.[/QUOTE]That's fair. While the Rio de Janeiro scene and perhaps other parts of the globe have become more transactional (for every hour), some of my buddies didn't like the termas / prive scenes where you had an allotted amount of time in a small room. They would rather chat up the Mabs, Dolce Vita girls and establish a vibe where the girl wasn't running out the door the minute the one or two hours had expired.
I haven't been to SE Asia in awhile, but I've had some great times hanging out with the girls there after the sex was over. I still remember a Thai woman whose looks and body would have competed with Tia Carrere in her prime. I paid her $100 per day and she showed me all over Bangkok. There was of course the nights and the relaxed afternoon quickie between touring. She even wanted me to stay in her apartment, but I still kept a cheap room at a hotel nearby.
Is it still that easy to hang out with working girls off the clock in SE Asia?
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Scandallo Sugar
[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604733]I'm not saying it is not a fun place, but my best dates with SA girls beat my best brothels / strip clubs session by a huge margin. Scandallo is a good option for weekend warriors, high ballers or someone who prefers to grab and go, but not really my scene.
I guess SA is not popular in both Rio and SP, because P4 P scene is well developed. On the other hand, in places like MDE or BOG, well known for p4 p scene, SA is highly utilized along with FB and Tinder.[/QUOTE]I think it would be pretty easy to establish a sugar baby relationship with a hot Scandallo girl. I haven't because I don't live in Brazil. But if I did, wow have I met some "candidates". Plenty of hotties willing to be sponsored.
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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604733]
I guess SA is not popular in both Rio and SP, because P4 P scene is well developed. On the other hand, in places like MDE or BOG, well known for p4 p scene, SA is highly utilized along with FB and Tinder.[/QUOTE]MiamiBoy1 can you help me understand this, what is the difference between being "well developed" and "Well known".
RIO & SP, P4 p is well developed therefore SA not popular.
MDE & BOG P4 p is well known therefore SA is popular.
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[QUOTE=MiamiBoy1;2604733]I'm not saying it is not a fun place, but my best dates with SA girls beat my best brothels / strip clubs session by a huge margin. Scandallo is a good option for weekend warriors, high ballers or someone who prefers to grab and go, but not really my scene.
I guess SA is not popular in both Rio and SP, because P4 P scene is well developed. On the other hand, in places like MDE or BOG, well known for p4 p scene, SA is highly utilized along with FB and Tinder.[/QUOTE]I do not think that is how it works. What is happening in Colombia with SA is the same as what happened in the USA and it happens the same as in business. First you have the innovators and then the imitators and then the idiots. With SA, what happens is that you go from non-pros to semi-pros to pros. Covid did change the pattern in some places like Mexico when non-pros got back on the site after they lost their jobs.
When I first went to Bogota, I went on like 10 dates there, and only three of the women had been on dates before. With two of those three, I did not session with them because they asked for crazy money.
MB, you are telling me it is hardened now and the women only want money in Medellin. What happened with me with so many of the women is that I would meet them, explain being a SB to them, and felt obligated to pay them, but I probably did not have to. The irony is a guy here asked, why did you pay them anything? And that is when I changed my approach and recommended other guys do likewise and pay them nothing except take them to dinner ETC.
Given what you are telling me, I think now there are so many experienced and hardened women on SA in Medellin and so many guys throwing money at them that at least Medellin is at the semi-pro level and I expect Bogota to get there soon too.
Mexico was more like the USA in that there was always a payment described or implied, but there was only once I had sex on the second date, and it was my choice.
In the USA, it used to be that I would see a girl's pic, meet them in a restaurant, and always talk money. With one exception, the sex always came on the second date with me.
Each country has its own culture, laws, but probably the most important thing is how many pros are on the site. I had good luck finding a few non-pros in Medellin but unlike Bogota there were a lot of women who were incredibly short term money focused.
And in Colombia, not only were Bogota and Medellin different but so were Barranquilla and Cali. Both dates I had in Cali were with women who had never had a date before. It is places like Cali that IMO can be SA nirvana. In Barranquilla, the girls were novices as well, but they were more hardened than Cali.
Sao Paulo is not really a sex destination like Rio is. I would expect to find and chatted with women who were hot and not hard core pros. Unlike Rio, I think SP could be great. I am not paying the monthly dues now and just for shit and giggles, I clicked on a few women I found attractive in SP and they favorited me and sent me messages. (I did get a similar response from women in BA). Because Rio and Medellin are two of the most popular sex destinations, I would expect SA to suck because of how many pros would be on the site in those cities.
But MB, I do not think you get the Buenos Aires market. BA like SP was not really that much of a sex destination, but there are / were a lot of pros there like there are in SP. For a few years, it was great and then there was a crackdown, so you have all these people who either know about or were pros that potentially can get on SA and sell their wares. That is not an issue with SP where women have the option to be pros and advertise as pros if they want to. In BA, SA is going to attract a lot of pros.
I do not know that BA is bad for SA, but I could tell from the women I was chatting with that there was a hardened edge that I do not like. Argentina was not at the level of the USA (I don't know if anywhere else is that bad) but probably at the Mexico level of hardened women and having been there, that is what I expected. The hard edge with Mexican women is out of fear. With Argentine women, the hardness comes from arrogance.
I banged a boat load of Argentine women and with most they had an attitude that I should have just been happy to be with them. They do not have the desire to please like Brazilian or Colombian women.
The last two SBs in Colombia I had that evolved into GFs did the same thing when I asked them if they could clip my toenails. I just wanted them clipped, but both of the women went on their hands and knees and gave me like a 30 minute pedicure. I would expect a Brazilian woman to be similar. They really want to please their man.
I think the Argentine and Mexican women would do as I asked and just clip my nails, and I would expect an American woman to say, "I am not doing that. Why don't you pay for a pedicure like I do you cheap SOB!
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[QUOTE=Elvis2008;2604781]Sao Paulo is not really a sex destination like Rio is. I would expect to find and chatted with women who were hot and not hard core pros. Unlike Rio, I think SP could be great.[/QUOTE]SP is a great sex destination. It took me a few days to find out and now I don't want to go to any other cities. LOL.
If one has never been to Scandallo, how can the person knows what girls in Scandallo look like and uses them as a reference point? That is why I asked. I have found girls on Seeking that are similar to what I can find in Scandallo but personally I don't think girls at Scandallo are that special on average. Right now, there is no point using Seeking when it is so easy elsewhere.
The sex is pretty good even at the low cost clinica / casa. You get clean towel, clean bed sheet, hot shower, GFE. The only difference is the girl's look and they actually look pretty good. Just this week, a clinica girl asked me to lie down after sex and treated me like a baby going to sleep until time is up. I was shocked! This is the opposite of paying more for better service.
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2603323]We were going to go home, but we decide to stay a little longer. Starts off great, but again she is on the phone. I finally, pull my phone out and start texting girls in the MTY. She grabs my phone. I say, the night is over and walk off. I forgot she parked in my parking garage.
Uber arrives she puts my hand on her crouch I pull away. No conversation on the ride home. We get to my place and she asked why I am mad and of course denies grabbing my phone,(say it is my fault.) I told her the night was over.
I will never tolerate anyone grabbing my phone, especially not my girlfriend.
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The flight to Monterrey from San Antonio on Viva is an hour and less than $300 round trip, and you can go and return in a day. I get the convivence of having a woman close by, but I have done the American route before, and it was fine when I did not know any better, but I do now.
Thing is even after you weed out the greedy ones and the crazies, you are left with women who for the most part have had multiple SDs before. You are always second best, and the women are ashamed to introduce you to anyone. That is fine for married guys, but I had one woman tell me, "I have much lower standards for a SD than I do a boyfriend. " I wanted to stay, "Standing right here, b!" Thing is that she just said to me what most other women think.
For whatever reason, American women are trained to hate things or a group of people like men than an individual close to them like their child or husband. Give a woman a chance to blame anything or anyone other than her or a family member in American culture, and she will gladly do it. I was watching this video and if you go to the five minute mark, you will see a celebrated woman named Carrie Nation who was a prohibitionist and loved smashing up bars: [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAGIi62-sAU[/URL].
It showed me that for forever in our culture that women could break any law and act like idiots as long as they wore some kind of moral cape. In reality, Carrie was mourning the loss of her alcoholic husband and instead of putting the blame on him (and she probably in part blamed herself), she took it out on alcohol itself. "Ladies, you do not know how much joy you have until you smash, smash, smash. " Carrie Nation is not seen as a vandal who should have been locked up for life but a fucking hero.
I assume everyone here knows what machismo is, but there is a feminine part called marianismo, and it is this element where Latin women separate themselves from their American counterparts. You can read the whole thing here, [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marianismo[/URL], but this is the part I wanted to mention: According to marianismo, Hispanic women should withhold personal thoughts and needs in order to avoid disagreement. Adherence to this belief is linked with significantly higher rates of psychological distress, depression, and anxiety in Hispanic women and young girls. It also influences women to stay in violent interpersonal relationships. Many Hispanic women perceive that "keeping things inside" causes their depression.
You can even see that this crap is written by some judgmental American / Westerner. I am sorry I do not agree that a culture that makes a Carrie Nation a hero is a superior one.
But my point is this: you are fighting a battle that is way bigger than yourself. It is a cultural thing. A woman acting like an idiot and blaming a man for all her problems is not looked down upon like it is in the Latin culture. Hell, in American culture, we celebrate it and reward it and to me, it is fruitless to try to tame that beast.
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[QUOTE=Nounce;2604814]SP is a great sex destination. It took me a few days to find out and now I don't want to go to any other cities. LOL.[/QUOTE]It sure is. What I meant is SP is not tainted by the ho culture like Vegas, Medellin, or Rio. There are a ton of hot nonpros in SP.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2604814]If one has never been to Scandallo, how can the person knows what girls in Scandallo look like and uses them as a reference point? That is why I asked. I have found girls on Seeking that are similar to what I can find in Scandallo but personally I don't think girls at Scandallo are that special on average. Right now, there is no point using Seeking when it is so easy elsewhere.
The sex is pretty good even at the low cost clinica / casa. You get clean towel, clean bed sheet, hot shower, GFE. The only difference is the girl's look and they actually look pretty good. Just this week, a clinica girl asked me to lie down after sex and treated me like a baby going to sleep until time is up. I was shocked! This is the opposite of paying more for better service.[/QUOTE]I always said the reason I used seeking is that I wanted fun both in and out of the bedroom. What you confirmed is that Brazilian women know how to treat their man, and they are a ton of fun to boot. I never had a woman stay the night and wake me up with a BJ, and it happened like every time in Brazil.
IMO you would get treated like your casa girl x 100 from a good find on seeking in SP. The only other country where IMO I could find a SB that could match what I found in Colombia is Brazil. Maybe you can find it in Thailand or the Philippines but I have not been there for sex.