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Routard & Shiatsu congrats, excellent content!

I have walked up to the line a couple of times, and found myself falling in love with a girl or two. I am still very sorry to hear that domi has left forever. I am happy for her that she has a kid and is in love with the father, but I miss having access to her. There are about 3 other girls I would love to be in contact with. I saw one in town recently with her Boyfriend. I walked by her in a cafe 4 times, until she saw me, we had eye contact, that was all I needed. I did not approach her. If she had been alone I might have (That would have been the cuban Anna I have posted pics of before).

But do all you can to stay on the right side of the line. Everytime a girl has offered me a phone number, I haven't taken it. It is the better option.

CBGB,

Maybe I book better, but midweek I am getting the Mirage for about $65 a night in Vegas, but otherwise point taken.

I am relatively addicted at about 3-4 clubs a month, but I am probably spending about 10K€ a year. That is a budget I can afford, but I have a good job.

[QUOTE=Peter]Routard & Shiatsu congrats, excellent content!

I have walked up to the line a couple of times, and found myself falling in love with a girl or two. I am still very sorry to hear that domi has left forever. I am happy for her that she has a kid and is in love with the father, but I miss having access to her. There are about 3 other girls I would love to be in contact with. I saw one in town recently with her Boyfriend. I walked by her in a cafe 4 times, until she saw me, we had eye contact, that was all I needed. I did not approach her. If she had been alone I might have (That would have been the cuban Anna I have posted pics of before).

But do all you can to stay on the right side of the line. Everytime a girl has offered me a phone number, I haven't taken it. It is the better option.

CBGB,

Maybe I book better, but midweek I am getting the Mirage for about $65 a night in Vegas, but otherwise point taken.

I am relatively addicted at about 3-4 clubs a month, but I am probably spending about 10K€ a year. That is a budget I can afford, but I have a good job.[/QUOTE]

You must be getting 150 to 165 sessions a year with that much money, 10KEUR is really nothing, I spend about 20KEUR total during my visits to Europe but spend it on nicer hotels and nice restaurants other stuff like that, you get more pussy than most Wall Street bankers I know. I used to spend upwards of $30,000US a year in the late 1990s during the stockmarket/high tech boom on escorts in New York, even incall brothels in NYC were just as expensive at an average of $400US including tips for the lady. The psychological impact of visiting an FKK getting your every sexual fantasy fullfilled is not to be underestimated, especially coming from the puritanical USA. The only release most of us Americans get is in Vancouver, Montreal, or Tijuana, and these places are still quite expensive compared to German FKKs.

The Mirage must be having some kind of special, I just checked on several travel sites and a decent room there averages close to $300US. Still my point being that its a lot cheaper to visit Germany for a few days than party in Vegas, even for those who live on the West Coast. Mongering in Vegas is really expensive, probably the most expensive resort city in the world for P4P and the quality isn't great when you compare it to Germany, even people I have known who visit Amsterdam find the impersonal service of the Walletjes to be an improvement over the expensive Vegas scene.

I also forgot to mention that Germany is an extremely safe and democratic country to visit. There are no machine gun toting paramilitary like cops running around all over the place like in Brazil or Argentina, where tourists have been killed. I recall a German tourist was murdered near my hotel in Rio, people told me that tourists get killed all the time in Rio. I think Thailand is also dangerous, its police are the most facist bastards you can meet. I walked around the Dom in Koln at 4AM without any worries, even behaved like I was walking in Disneyland.

That's pretty heady stuff. I don't think there is much I can add to Routard & Shiatsu's comments on the FKK syndrome. I concur with practically every one of them.

One of the keys for me is the ability to hang out at the club. The various amenities and the food provided means that you can linger at the club for a much longer time than just purely getting a few pops... and there's so much more than the 20+ minutes that it takes you to complete a session. Most other places in the world where you P4P seem to be geared for you to get in, do your business and get out.

It's that constant state of arousal for 8 to 12 hours that keeps me coming back. You can read, take a nap, relax in the sauna or jacuzzi, get a professional massage, eat and look around the room just about every couple of minutes constantly reminding yourself that you can take any of the gaggle of pretty ladies in the facilities up to the room any time you like.

...And about falling in love. I for one am not too terribly jaded or cynical at the prospect of this happening. Yes, there are tremendous hurdles you must over come and millions of cautionary tales about people getting their heart broken or about the character of the women that get into this business blah, blah, blah. But for every one of these horror stories, you've got to wonder that there's more than a few that turned out ok... even an occasional "happily ever after" story. I just don't think too many people are gonna come to a public forum and report the occasion while being more than willing to recount their bad experiences.

I went though 1 that didn't have a storybook ending but I didn't think it was a horrible experience either. Am currently working on #2. As long as you keep some of your guards up and keep things in perspective, go ahead and enjoy the ride.

Am I too naive?

i know about the problems in increased customer traffic during messe time, but what effect does oktoberfest have in there being too many tourists? air tickets are definitely more expensive in october than november but this isn't as much of a concern for me as visiting clubs when the customer/provider ratio isn't so oppressive.

last november i was unfortunate to have visited when the first snow of the season fell. while this wasn't much of a problem in visiting clubs, there were other things i wanted to do that i couldn't because of it. i really am interested in booking the ring-taxi on the nordschleife (that's a bmw m5 piloted by a race driver that takes you around the circuit at speeds faster than you are capable yourself)... but am afraid that if i go there again in november that i'm gonna suffer the same fate. so i'm debating about october but could use some advice.

the other thing that bugs me a little (but not much) is that i seemed to have found a comfort zone... a "safe harbor" if you will, in visiting just the 5 most popular clubs in my last couple of visits, world, palace, oase, phg and gt. while i've had decent times at places like psw, sauna world and other red carpet clubs in the nrw area in the past, i've pretty much nixed them for the sake of optimizing the enjoyment in a compressed 7 to 9 day trip. can somebody give me a compelling reason why i should revisit that strategy?

thanks

From what I know the NRW area clubs do not get many non-German customers, the Frankfurt area clubs are a different story since the city is a business hub. Most of the foreign visitors who go to the Hessen area clubs tend to be in Germany on business matters(executives, military personnel, trade fair attendees) so the issue of price inflation is not as big an issue as in touristy European cities like Amsterdam or London since these guys, forgive the pun, are looking at the bottom line. I found it easy as hell to get hotel bookings in Germany only a few days before leaving.

FKKs do not attract hordes of tourists like the Amsterdam Walletjes or even the bar clubs of Prague which are world famous. These two kinds of establishments make their money on tourists. FKKs work on a repeat business model and therefore depend on locals, that is why the service in an FKK is better than the Amsterdam Walletjes or even the more upscale clubs in the Netherlands, though I am working on changing this.

[quote=fkk lover]i know about the problems in increased customer traffic during messe time, but what effect does oktoberfest have in there being too many tourists? [/quote]

abolutely zero influence on the clubs that you have listed. but is is a totally different story with the frnakfurt auto show, which is on right now. as is the octoberfest, by the way. the octoberfest is over on the 4th of october. so going in the second week of october removes the octoberfest from your considerations totally.

[quote=fkk lover]i really am interested in booking the ring-taxi on the nordschleife (that's a bmw m5 piloted by a race driver that takes you around the circuit at speeds faster than you are capable yourself).[/quote]

hmmm, to me this does not sound like a lot of fun. it would be much better to get a short intro and then try it myself. even if you do not go as fast as the pros do, it is pretty cool to go 230 kmh on the ring.

[quote=fkk lover]the other thing that bugs me a little (but not much) is that i seemed to have found a comfort zone... a "safe harbor" if you will, in visiting just the 5 most popular clubs in my last couple of visits, world, palace, oase, phg and gt. while i've had decent times at places like psw, sauna world and other red carpet clubs in the nrw area in the past, i've pretty much nixed them for the sake of optimizing the enjoyment in a compressed 7 to 9 day trip. can somebody give me a compelling reason why i should revisit that strategy?[/quote]

i generally follow the same strategy. but last week i went to augsburg and tried the colloseum. i was extremely impressed with the facility and the quality of the girls. so if you want a break from your usual routine, go try the cola. or samya in cologne. also a new club; and i have read a lot of good things about it on the german boards.

happy hunting
euro

[QUOTE=Euro100]Hmmm, to me this does not sound like a lot of fun. It would be much better to get a short intro and then try it myself. Even if you do not go as fast as the pros do, it is pretty cool to go 230 kmh on the Ring.[/QUOTE]

Well I can take a lap with the pro, then take a lap by myself. I saw a video of somebody taking a lap with the Ring-Taxi and it looked like alot of fun. On top of that a 500 hp M5 I'm sure is more thrilling than my rented Opel Astra would be. I could go rent a 911 for 1000 euros a week or thereabouts but that's kinda pricey. Do you know a cheap place to go rent a reasonably powerful sports car?

[QUOTE=Euro100]...last week I went to Augsburg and tried the Colloseum. I was extremely impressed with the facility and the quality of the girls. So if you want a break from your usual routine, go try the ColA. Or Samya in Cologne. Also a new club; and I have read a lot of good things about it on the German boards.[/QUOTE]

Samya sounds intriguing and is convenient. ColA would mean having to drag my butt all the way down south so unless I found something else interesting to do down there, I probably wouldn't consider it.

Thanks for the info. I also did not know that Oktoberfest ended so early, and if I went in October it would be second or third week anyways.

As Euro said, the Oktoberfest is celebrated for the last two weeks of September into the start of October, but not throughout October.

If you feel comfortable in those 5 clubs no real reason to break the cycle. You have tried PSW and Sauna World. I don't know where €100 read good things about Samya, because the german boards are spotty on the place. The facilities are nice, but the talent really isn't top of the game yet.

The only club I will recommend to you to break the mould is the original, Bernd's Schieferhof. Every forum member here and on another site that I have taken there have made it their favourite. It is not my favourite, but the tourists seem to love the service aspect.

FKK Lover

You say "I went though 1 that didn't have a storybook ending but I didn't think it was a horrible experience either. Am currently working on #2. As long as you keep some of your guards up and keep things in perspective, go ahead and enjoy the ride.

Am I too naive?"

No - that is one of the best posts I have read. Yes you are right - as long as one can handle the situation then the rewards can be great. I have also been very fond of a worker from time to time, (although I would never even meet a worker outside the club) and, although it caused some difficulties, it made all aspects of my life better

Tawan

That's exactly how my wife got into working at an FKK. She was fed up there were no FKKs for women - so she figured that the only solution was to work at one. She gave up her job and took the plunge and is now having a great time The only downside is that I am left at home!!

Greeting! I am considering heading to Germany on vacation either late oct. or early nov. I had a few questions

Rates for girls at fkk clubs in u.s. dollars

Are girls availiable for over night stays, if so how much $

Are girls availiable from other places: bars, hotels. cab drivers, escort sites?

Any info and contact info would be greatly appreciated as well as hotel suggestion and attractions, lets face it I can't girl hunt 24/7.

Thanks

Biggee

All these questions have been covered in recent months. Apart from the rates in US dollars, Now, if you can't cope with euros and do the conversion then I'm not sure how you will fare. Check out the rate and then get used to working in euros and mentally converting as you go along. Basic charge in Fra clubs is 65E entry, 50 per half hour with a girl, then 50 for come in mouth, or on body, then anything up to 150 for anal (don't pay more than 50). If you need more infor about when the clock starts running and etiquette then read back over the posts for the last six months. A bit of research will help

An escort in Fra can easily cost 200E an hour, and a visit to a brothel can cost almost as much. The redlight district can appear very cheap but you will probably get poor service and charged extras

FKK girls will occasionally do overnighters. But remember they may have been working all day and there is little in it for them (apart from danger and the chance you will not turn up and they lose earning time at the FKK) You may strike lucky - all depends on the money (and in some cases if they like you) Rate is negitiable - but don't pay US rates. I would think 1000 euros too much for an overnighter. If you are lucky it could be a lot lot less

If you do a websearch you will find lots of contacts. A good starting point is ladies.de. But an FKK will take all the searching out - unless you have very specialised tastes (SM, TS, etc and other things beyond this forum's scope)

FKK clubs are your best bet if you want to party in Germany, escorts and bars are a waste of time and you will get ripped off. FKK clubs average about $65US dollars per pop, usually this includes a half hour with the woman, bbbj and kissing, daty.

Greetings,

I've been "lurking" for quite a while now and have found some extremely valuable information along the way. I do plan on posting a few reports but they are more along the lines of general information and opinions of various locations (many of which I would have never located without the help of this forum). But my lazy ass has yet to set fingers to keyboard to do so.

I would like a suggestion from other members as to how I should post the reports. Whether to make one long ass post and cross post to each discussed locale OR to make small individual post to each locale OR to break down into various topics and write 3-4 reports and cross-post? They deal with quite a few different areas, with only a little information about most.

I have data primarily concerning SW and Strip Clubs, from San Fran, Kansas City, Memphis, Nashville, Chicago, Dallas, Houston, New Orleans, Sliddell, Biloxi, Gulfport, Ocean Springs (MS), Mobile, Pensacola, Tampa, Orlando, Atlanta, 2 very nice AMS RLD experiences and the ULTIMATE Adventure 2 German FKK's. Which the FKK is the real point of my post/question/recommendation request. If you have any questions on the areas listed feel free to pm me until I get a chance to formulate a report or three.

My question is if you could go to any FKK which one would it be ?? Now the tricky part my criteria. My first FKK was PHG and I had the most wonderfully overwhelming monger experience of my lifetime. My 2nd FKK was Palace it was also fantastic. 5 Girls each time, thank god for Vit-V. I prefered the facilities and the Warstiener at PHG much more than the Palace. I prefer the decor, "approachability" of the girls and accessibility of the Palace.

Things to consider in choosing the right FKK:

* I will have recently visited the Palace (for about 3-4 hours on a Monday Nov 7 in the early afternoon)

* I will be visiting either Oase or World on Sat Nov 12

* I need a recommendation for Friday Nov 11, 2005 from about 5pm til ...

* Picking car ( with NAV ) up in Duisburg but anywhere NE of Munich is fine ( 1st time on autobahn and with a bmw 525 no less i.e. driving will be NO problem)

* I would like beer to be available

* I am giving VERY serious consideration to a 1st time 3sum ( 2 SW taking turns, giving head doesn't count) which leads itself to the much preferable 1 hour pricing at PHG, Park Sauna or Goldentime ( side question: why is there no thread for GT? I see it mentioned quite often as part of the golden triangle, I have rtff but I may be missing it )

* I do not speak German ( some Spanish, but only polite phrases in German) I did ok at PHG, but felt awkward. Palace was much better as far as language barrier, but conversation is below beer in priorities.

* I believe I would feel too uncomfortable in a partytreff environment, but not really sure.

* Extras (anal, CIM, etc ) are not a concern

* I prefer 18 - 25

* I'm not really into "hard bodies." While I certainly wouldn't throw them out of bed, I do tend to prefer 120-140 ( pounds not Kilos ), nice C-cup or so, eyes and smile are the clincher.

* GFE w/ DFK is very important, so the better likelihood of couch action is preferable.

Thanks to any and all with suggestions, either via the forum or pm.

Thanks man , I have been reading and doing searches but i really didnt find any direct answers to my questions, I will continue to read and study and ask questions as I finally make my decisions and as usuall all info on hotels, cars and even contact info for girls ( 18 to 21 ) would be really appreciated from any members willing to share the info.. I'll figure the ero out, its pretty much one to one with the dollar.

[QUOTE=Shiatsu]Biggee

All these questions have been covered in recent months. Apart from the rates in US dollars, Now, if you can't cope with euros and do the conversion then I'm not sure how you will fare. Check out the rate and then get used to working in euros and mentally converting as you go along. Basic charge in Fra clubs is 65E entry, 50 per half hour with a girl, then 50 for come in mouth, or on body, then anything up to 150 for anal (don't pay more than 50). If you need more infor about when the clock starts running and etiquette then read back over the posts for the last six months. A bit of research will help

An escort in Fra can easily cost 200E an hour, and a visit to a brothel can cost almost as much. The redlight district can appear very cheap but you will probably get poor service and charged extras

FKK girls will occasionally do overnighters. But remember they may have been working all day and there is little in it for them (apart from danger and the chance you will not turn up and they lose earning time at the FKK) You may strike lucky - all depends on the money (and in some cases if they like you) Rate is negitiable - but don't pay US rates. I would think 1000 euros too much for an overnighter. If you are lucky it could be a lot lot less

If you do a websearch you will find lots of contacts. A good starting point is ladies.de. But an FKK will take all the searching out - unless you have very specialised tastes (SM, TS, etc and other things beyond this forum's scope)[/QUOTE]

Thanks man!! any hotel suggestions?

Can I assume that FKK world is located in Frankfurt?

[QUOTE=CBGBConnisur]FKK clubs are your best bet if you want to party in Germany, escorts and bars are a waste of time and you will get ripped off. FKK clubs average about $65US dollars per pop, usually this includes a half hour with the woman, bbbj and kissing, daty.[/QUOTE]