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[QUOTE=Amspascha;2086470]Since my last FKK trip last June, this is the first time visit after the law of July.
Don't know if it is because of the law or Messe, Almost every girl I met, include the same girl I had before told me for now if you want Kiss and BBBJ for one hour it is 200 euros. ZK and FO each cost 50 for extra. And they seemed very insisted which if you want to negotiate they will leave. It is if you don't want to pay they don't care there are many people who will pay. Doubt if it is really changed price crazy like this? Is the FKK land come to ruined?[/QUOTE]No upselling for BJ at Oase. Even I miss a dreamed sophisticated beauty at Sharks, but no upselling for BJ or DFK, even for only 50 with Lora, only 30 mn because it was 4. 30 am, quite pretty with woman look, friendly, smiling and fun girl, just not top GFE for me, when Tia. De is a sweet GFE, so wet when only caressing her, before starting DATY, so enjoyable to see their liquid going out of vagina, at this moment they are real woman, more reliable than moaning. Then, girls say thank you, they are surprised how I clean them but they let me do, just watching and smiling, and after they want to please you back without money talk.
Give and you will be given back. Win-win.
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[QUOTE=Amspascha;2086470]Since my last FKK trip last June, this is the first time visit after the law of July.
Don't know if it is because of the law or Messe, Almost every girl I met, include the same girl I had before told me for now if you want Kiss and BBBJ for one hour it is 200 euros. ZK and FO each cost 50 for extra. And they seemed very insisted which if you want to negotiate they will leave. It is if you don't want to pay they don't care there are many people who will pay. Doubt if it is really changed price crazy like this? Is the FKK land come to ruined?[/QUOTE]The main target of the new law is to decrease the offer, it is just the beginning, more or more girls are quitting the scene to a normal job just because they don't want to register as a prostitute and the deadline is end of December, in the meantime some are trying to earn more, in the coming months we will probably face a price increase and a reduction of the number of girls who will also be older. Some clubs will close their doors.
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[QUOTE=Amspascha;2086470]Since my last FKK trip last June, this is the first time visit after the law of July.
Don't know if it is because of the law or Messe, Almost every girl I met, include the same girl I had before told me for now if you want Kiss and BBBJ for one hour it is 200 euros. ZK and FO each cost 50 for extra. And they seemed very insisted which if you want to negotiate they will leave. It is if you don't want to pay they don't care there are many people who will pay. Doubt if it is really changed price crazy like this? Is the FKK land come to ruined?[/QUOTE]Thanks for the warnings Amspascha. I hope Sharks at least stays the way it is(although it was better in the past).
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2087417]Thanks for the warnings Amspascha. I hope Sharks at least stays the way it is(although it was better in the past).[/QUOTE]Messe time is never the good one to have a clear understanding of the current situation, for me many girls will leave the scene in the coming weeks or months and the 50 euros story for full service is gone, we will have to pay more to get less, and at the end it will change what?
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[QUOTE=Amspascha;2086470]Don't know if it is because of the law or Messe, Almost every girl I met, include the same girl I had before told me for now if you want Kiss and BBBJ for one hour it is 200 euros. ZK and FO each cost 50 for extra. [/QUOTE]Wow! Just wow!
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2087417]Thanks for the warnings Amspascha. I hope Sharks at least stays the way it is(although it was better in the past).[/QUOTE]My last visit in Mainhattan was on July, 2 - and I get the impression that I didn't miss anything in these three months, although FMH in the very past was my favourite place to visit as the tram took only 18 minutes to bring me there.
Yes, talking about the past most of the clubs were mire delightful. But Sharks and the ladies I met in August made me feel very good. A place where we don't have to spend any word on blowjob but we still get it the traditional way. We keep fingers crossed for future.
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[QUOTE=Amspascha;2086470]Don't know if it is because of the law or Messe, Almost every girl I met, include the same girl I had before told me for now if you want Kiss and BBBJ for one hour it is 200 euros. ZK and FO each cost 50 for extra.[/QUOTE]Pfff ... let's not panic. That was Messe (the annual car show in September to be more specific). Maybe late at night with crowds and terrible F / M ratios? If so, nothing new. I suggest we await further reports before we abandon this club.
But thanks for the warning.
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Who cares, upsells are upsells.
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[QUOTE=Shark16;2087795]Pfff ... let's not panic. That was Messe (the annual car show in September to be more specific). . I suggest we await further reports before we abandon this club.
But thanks for the warning.[/QUOTE]I agree with you the poster did the right thing about the warning and am sure many travelers especially are appreciative. (I sure would be if planning my trip now.) I also highly agree with your suggestion we not abandon this club (I hold out high hopes it will return to what it was) however I do feel this club needs to be placed on probation until we get reports of improved behavior of their inmates. I hate to write all the below about what was my favorite club but at the same I would hate worse to not voice what I have been thru and have someone especially from abroad have a bad trip knowing I could possibly have helped make their trip better and more cost effective and for that reason I'm going to chime in with my opinion. The reader can than decide for themselves. Call me wrong, call me right, thank me, tell me to fuck off no matter what I have zero regrets writing this as the exchange of information and experiences is all many have to go on and is the reason these message boards exist.
Messe was a part of the issue at this club at the time but far from the real issue. Two of the girls I fucked on this past trip were from other FKK Clubs who came in and to quote one ' work over the rich guys ' and this also angered the regular girls and understandably. These girls (one in specific) told me when they came they were read the riot act by the management of this club. The clubs a few of them came from per these ladies were nowhere near as harsh on the girls. Now, I got sucked BB but mainly because I went with the non Mainhatten girls because they didn't give a shit what the owners / management said, they preferred the club they normally worked at were out to make the money and as they say in America ' get the hell out of Dodge. '. I am sure in patronizing them I pissed off some of the regular ones but so what, my money, my cock, my decision.
I have been to this club maybe 25-30 times the last year pretty much the only club I went to until I started headed to Sharks (and Dietz) Never was I upsold and I always paid 50 E for BBBJ. I have made over 10+ visits since the new law went in effect on 3 different trips and three different month's as recent as this month. Most of the regulars I have seen have quit or told me they are planning on going elsewhere. The surviving ones are scared to death. As one poster member Neuro something said a while back this law they really can't enforce except thru heavy intimidation of the girls and that is the exact case here. One girl well known on German boards for her oral skill wouldn't even budge on a 50 E ' up offer' from me, pointed at the condom sign in the room as well as the door. They live in fear (probably the upper management scaring them) of a raid at anytime and they are afraid the doors will be opened. Multiple women are afraid of the doors being opened on them. This has been echoed on every trip since July 1. Only a few since July 1st have given me the BBBJ in the 50 E session, many do it in the 100 E session as one said if they will risk their job they want more money.
10+ visits times a few girls each visit in three months time all spread out since July 1st for me personally is enough to decide that this trend is not a random sampling rather a downward trend. There is no Bull market here, we are not in correction territory, this club is in a Bear market held up only by Asians and Middle Easterners paying up and one and done tourists many whom do not research. By no means am I the voice of God or the gospel but I wasn't born yesterday and have figured out for me at least that this club for now, not forever is a no go and I would not recommend it at this point. To add to this it isn't just myself, a handful of German regulars at Mainhatten have hopped over to Sharks for the reasons above. Likewise, I also hopped over to Sharks for the 50 E BBBJ. ' You only change a losing game' and if Mainhatten were a winning game I would still be going. If you offered me free entry and a free 50 E session I would reject the offer, albeit it kind. By the way, Jewish guys rarely down down a free meal and we certainly don't turn down a free fuck without goods reason.
The above is just my personal views based on my personal experience but given the overhead I incur coupled with the fact I have other clubs that guarantee me just about all I want; this club is full of panicked women right now but as Shark16 says, no need to abandon this club as I think things will change and I really think (well was told) as the end of the year and Jan 1st approach with the need for holiday money in the middle of those dates things will get lax there (especially from the mouths of girls who plan on leaving prior to the Jan 1 date) shortly as the need for money will at some point outweigh the fear the owners / management have put in place.
I loved this club, the girls not the hottest were great at 50 E, the German locals in the club were great guys and fun to talk to, the garden was small but efficient, the food setup I really liked although I don't have the fat Asian pig to laugh at like at Sharks. I have successfully tracked a few of the regulars I saw to other clubs in Hessen, the Cologne area and I think Stuttgart or wherever Mercedes is made. The only reason I even went to Mainhatten a week or two ago was because my plane got in super late to Frankfurt, it was pouring out, there was an electric issue with the S-trains and the only train running at the time was the one to Flughafen and folks were told to use the Ubahn and trams to reach other stations. At that point I threw the towel in ( and not in to my backpack) and having an early flight to Madrid just went there by default , only to see and verify that I have for now made the right decision at least for myself.
Caveat emptor, there exist exceptions to every rule and rules to every exception, play at your own risk and good luck. I've in the past enjoyed BBBJ, CIM and AO (with and without creampie) in this club and with Sharks so easy to get to and Dietz down the road I would be the very first person to call myself a stupid fucking god dam fool if I wasted any time or Euros on this place but if you like 50 E CBJ service or paying 100 Euros for a session in light of the 50 E BBBJ less than a half hour away and getting upsold for kisses and in some cases DATY now by all means go, that is all there for you however;.
I won't abandon it. My first trip to an FKK (Mainhatten in fact) I thought it was just a place you pay your entry and fuck the shit out of 3-4 girls and repeat but after close to two years I find the FKK's to be more of a system and collection of different platforms that all offer something different and like a football team getting its ass kicked all over the field you learn to make adjustments using the other clubs and options available to you. Personally I made a mistake marrying myself to one club but you live and you learn. It is a system that takes time to learn and to work and a few Euros as well but you also learn to adjust and IMHO the adjustment needed here is to temporarily sideline yourself until you see or hear that the play on the field is the play you seek. Over 5 experienced FKK goers both German and from abroad warned me not to go here after July 1 but I didn't listen and I lost and for that reason I now speak up for you tourists mainly to look out for yourselves and listen to others, as I failed to do and can honestly say to the tune of a few thousand Euros.
But everyone's experience varies, maybe you will be the guy tomorrow who gets a 50E BBBJ, or maybe you won't. You guys captain your own ships, happy sailing
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Kosher,
Man, that is what I call a report! Thanks. Very insightful. Based on that I will put this club on hold.
My point was merely to remind everyone that 200 E late at night at this club during the auto messe is nothing new. Then it normalize. It has been like that for years. That's all. Your report regarding the recent developments puts it in a whole different pespective though. So, thanks again.
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Write a report if you have something to share. Until then I don't believe anything you say.
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Mainhattan status
The feedback that I can give on Mainhattan is that there really has been no change in the pricing and services. Go figure the difference. See my Sharks reports for the difference that is happening over there for the pricing of sessions to include kissing.
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Specifically, what do you mean by no change in pricing and services? No upsells? What are the services included as standards, and do girls charge extra for services other than CIM and Anal?
What goes on in Sharks is not new, it's been like that and similarly Oase where people run into 50 Euros extra for kissing which is worse, it's probably as bad or worse than Palace now. At Sharks girls require 1hr minimum for better services including kissing. That has been mention already, the changes are not new.
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[QUOTE=PussyLiccker;2087883]Specifically, what do you mean by no change in pricing and services? No upsells? What are the services included as standards, and do girls charge extra for services other than CIM and Anal?
What goes on in Sharks is not new, it's been like that and similarly Oase where people run into 50 Euros extra for kissing which is worse, it's probably as bad or worse than Palace now. At Sharks girls require 1hr minimum for better services including kissing. That has been mention already, the changes are not new.[/QUOTE]The changes for kissing at Sharks are new to me hence why I am writing my experiences. Not so at Mainhattan its business as usual.
As to details the resident German writers will remind us again to not to mention too much on services.
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And what does this business was usual mean? So, no upsells? Please expand on this as you have for Sharks.