I will be in Kive from August 15 to August 30.
Can any one give me contacts and info from girl's blond's, toll, tine. and she shel let me french kissing her.
Thanks in advance, and all the best for you.
Her555
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I will be in Kive from August 15 to August 30.
Can any one give me contacts and info from girl's blond's, toll, tine. and she shel let me french kissing her.
Thanks in advance, and all the best for you.
Her555
here's an article i found. it makes for quite an interesting read so i thought i'd share it.
the issue of the world’s oldest profession well known to all was raised last monday by a team of researchers from the ukrainian institute for social research, led by olha balakirieva, candidate of sciences in sociology, during the presentation of the book, the sex business in ukraine: a tentative social analysis. those present discussed the legal, economic, social, and other aspects. the book is based on a study carried out by ukrainian sociologists jointly with the unaids program in ukraine and supported by the german government. it is actually ukraine’s first attempt to practice a scientific approach to the notoriously controversial issue of prostitution. uisr polled 636 women involved in the sex industry in ukraine’s twelve large cities and complemented it with a fundamental analysis of the legal framework.
“is there prostitution in ukraine? no. are there prostitutes? yes.” this once popular soviet anecdote is no longer funny, for the reality is too grim. there are no reliable prostitution statistics, yet sociologists believe this to constitute no obstacle to studying the issue. “it is demanded by the times,” ms. balakirieva told the day, adding that the need is obvious without even stepping into the street. press, television, police (militia), border guard, and foreign ministry reports are all alarming signals that prostitution in ukraine is gaining a threatening scope. after the ussr’s collapse, ukrainian women without visas but on call have become quite popular on the sex market the world over.
hustling overseas
a number of trend-setting international agreements are currently in effect regulating the sex industry in practically all countries, particularly the 1949 un convention for the suppression of traffic in persons and the exploitation of prostitution by third parties, whereby pimping, or procurement, is criminally prosecuted (ukraine acceded to the convention in november 1954).
meanwhile, different national laws interpret the sex industry differently, reads the uisr book and offers interesting examples. such laws dealing with prostitution could be divided into three groups: (a) those decriminalizing prostitution, (b) restricting, and (c) abolishing it. of these the first group deserves special notice.
holland, germany, australia, greece, sweden, israel, turkey, peru, ecuador, and other countries have long shown tolerance toward prostitution. “by introducing this system, the state tries to keep track of prostitutes; they must have special medical certificates,” write the authors, stressing that revenues in the sex industry are taxed.
in turkey, for example, a woman embarking on the world’s oldest career is relieved of her id papers as a citizen and is issued instead a prostitute id card and a medical certificate where the results of weekly checkups are entered (a so-called pink card). in greece, a prostitute is considered illegal unless duly registered; if arrested, she will be prosecuted and could get a prison term. in germany, prostitution income is referred to as miscellaneous, and the rates are higher than the rest, reads the uisr book. also, german prostitutes are denied tax exemptions, old-age pension and social protection (the german civil code does not refer the sex industry to business). in france, the owners of brothels and streetwalkers are levied taxes referred to budget revenues.
a host of other examples could be cited. however, the important thing is that by decriminalizing prostitution the state can not only exercise medical, fiscal, and law enforcement control over the lewd livelihood but also automatically place extramarital affairs on a basis of business self-regulation. first, it is clear that most customers feel more enthusiastic about legally and medically controlled red- light institutions rather than solo hustlers. second, the competition in the sex market automatically regulates supply. according to the uisr experts, 80% of dutch prostitutes work for clubs, in the lit windows of the famous red light district or for procurement agencies. naturally, this kind of structuring benefits the state. on the one hand, it simplifies tax procedures; on the other, it helps maintain public order. norwegian law prohibits “vulgar conduct in the street.” in germany, a streetwalker in the wrong place at the wrong time can be arrested and given administrative punishment. in great britain, with its limited decriminalization stand, “the law looks for ways to avoid serious problems for society; prostitutes are forbidden open solicitation in public places, they cannot behave provocatively and hang around waysides.”
such excessive permissiveness (by ukrainian standards) has a number of hazardous aspects. morality is not the biggest problem, including the civil law inferiority of all those call girls. renting one’s body for sexual activity is a matter of personal choice, in any case and in any country, while the moral responsibility seems to rest with the prostitute’s customer in equal measure. olha balakirieva noted that it is practically impossible to regulate the sex industry. uisr experts offer statistics reading that 400 prostitutes were officially registered in athens in 1995, with some 5,000 hustling off the record; about 5,000 in germany, with approximately 150,000 actually employed in the sex industry. “a large number of migrant prostitutes cannot get registered, having no social status in this or the other country,” they write in the book. “as a result, most such women not only face punishment from the authorities, but also fall into the hands of criminal dealers.” what happens afterward is described rather discretely: “hard ordeals with unpredictable consequences.” what countries do women emigrate from in search of a better living? this is a rhetorical question.
how and why here
true to soviet tradition, ukraine prohibits and declares its resolve to uproot prostitution. contrary to the plummeting cultural standard, the sociologists point out, the state is dedicated to combating all manifestations of immorality. this is a very proper stand, of course, but market demand begets supply. moralizing on decriminalization perhaps makes no sense under the circumstances, just as no legal or other taboos are going to have any effect. moreover, as zaporizhzhia lawyer ruslan synelnyk told the day, the “absence of prostitution” in the soviet union caused the legal framework of control over the sex industry in ukraine to remain embryonic. prostitution is banned. how, then, can one discuss any shortcomings of the legislation? answers to this question are found on all big ukrainian city streets and sidewalks.
until recently, ukrainian fallen women were given only administrative punishments. under article 181, chapter 14 of the administrative code of ukraine, prostitution (engaging in sexual activity in exchange for payment in money, expensive presents, alcoholic drinks, etc.) entailed a warning or a fine in the amount of 5-10 untaxed minimum citizen’s incomes; such conduct repeated during the same year entailed a fine of 8- 15 such incomes. naturally, such punishments (soviet relics) could not guide such women to the straight and narrow. on the contrary, the sex market thrived (a good example of state deregulation of the business sector). “the sex business in today’s ukraine is a socioeconomic phenomenon, because its blossoming is stipulated by our realities,” write the authors of the tentative social analysis, pointing to objective reasons: incomes that cannot keep a person above even the poverty line, unemployment, etc. doubtless, they are right in very many respects.
yet, their poll shows that the situation is far more complex. 73% of the responding prostitutes explained their occupation by being loath to earn token money sitting in some office; 49% believe that “the sex business is no better or worse than any other job,” and 20% simply like it. what is this? final moral degradation, determination to earn much and quickly? despair? or both? most unmarried call girls replied that they would quit once they met a decent man, a reliable lifelong companion, the alternative being a decent job allowing to make at least as much as they did, employing their body (an average of around 800 hryvnias a month). be it as it may, the ukrainian government is apparently unable to secure the citizenry a living wage of $100-150.
all this presents far from the biggest hardships confronting the authorities in their attempt to uproot prostitution using the law. after the ussr collapsed, the controls over the sex industry controls stayed unmanned only a short while. asocial elements considerably more dangerous than prostitution took over procurement and supply on the other side of the law. thus, actually, they made white slave trade a threatening and intractable problem.
the new criminal code (enacted by verkhovna rada last september) makes women employing their body for sexual activity criminally prosecutable. ruslan synelnyk told the day that the pertinent articles envisage criminal prosecution only when carrying the plague of the twenty-first century and “systematically offering sexual services.” “apparently, proving both the former and latter is practically rather difficult. there are no means of effectively combating prostitution in ukraine today,” stressed the lawyer. meanwhile, tightening the screws legally has made the promiscuous women even more leery of pimps; the new legislation allows the latter an extra edge on their charges. this is all true enough.
the sociology of domestic abolitionism
“the girls work to support their families, children, and to pay the militia. i’ll never believe there is an honest militiaman,” a kharkiv prostitute complained to the uisr pollsters, revealing yet another amazing, albeit easily explicable, problem of the profession. in fact, 45% of the respondents pointed to the omnipotent law enforcement authorities as their greatest peril (only 18% mentioned violence). the problem here is not only law enforcement personnel acting in the line of duty. the sociologists stress that focus group polling shows different patterns of relationships between the law and the prostitutes in different ukrainian cities, “probably depending on the environment that breeds crime in every given region. analyzing interviews with various representatives of the sex business, one often comes across acts of violence and coercion by the law enforcement authorities; women are ordered to part with money and physically abused.” by way of “enriching” the criminal code, law enforcers mete out their own punishment, making prostitutes attend voluntary unpaid work; in this case, the prostitutes must offer their bodies free to all who wish to use them.
together with this, the sociologists write, “the law very often uses such women as valuable sources of information about the underworld.” a call girl in donetsk, for example, admits that “the militia demand information about pimps and customers.” o tempora! o mores! however, such confessions do not shed enough light on the problem of prostitute-police relations. a well-informed source told the day that some law enforcement people, apart from everything else, willingly act as sex industry tax collectors where there is no “protection.” their tax rates are anything but soft: 10-30%. needless to say, none of this money goes to the state budget. what will the state stand to lose by bringing prostitution officially under control? the sociologists’ poll has no answer.
“in actuality, the prostitutes in ukraine constitute a practically unprotected category of the population,” ms. balakirieva told the day. the poll shows that about 60% of call girls have faced various acts of violence. the incidence of [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] tends to increase, depending on the given veteran’s service record in the sex market. the highest risk area is in the south of ukraine (as indicated by 68% respondents). kyiv is relatively safe (only two-fifths of the respondents mentioned [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]). 67% admit to having been raped by their customers and 35% by strangers. “there is no use asking the militia for help; they say you’ve made your bed, now lie in it,” says a prostitute from mykolayiv. small wonder, considering that 27% of the respondents insist they were raped by law enforcement personnel.
meanwhile, it should be noted that, cast in the social gutter, a fallen woman can cause far more trouble than the highest carnal delight experienced by her customer. the poll indicates that about half the prostitutes use contraceptives on a regular basis and over 66% indulge in unprotected sex; 37% of the respondents admit to having sustained venereal diseases (of whom 9% got the dose after only six months of work). every sixth prostitute agrees to have unprotected sex for an additional sum; every fourth is on drugs. the list of additional pleasures the customer could get from such women could be made much longer, but the point is that most respondents mention difficulties in getting medical aid. often they are refused even physicals. dr. balakirieva says that aids and vd incidence are two underlying justifications for studying the sex industry in ukraine. it is hard to say how the authorities can find a way out of the situation. one thing is certain. anyone about to send for a call girl should think twice.
№17 may 28 2002 «the day»
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The local term for men coming out for women, and not a label you want.
You kiss them once and they are all over you, highly aggressive. They love compliments, as they seem to get few.
When asked though, vacation\holiday isn't the best answer. Best to be there for business. (Monkey business)
In part, it presents a value for your time.
A friend I spoke to today feels that 22-26 is the correct range for women interested in older men. 26-35, greater lilihood they have been divorced and still have burn marks. It makes it more difficult to get intimate with them. Many use a 10 year frame, but I have found the younger ones really don't care.
Women seem to appreciate well dressed men and she also noted that if you just wear a t-shirt, jeans or a polo shirt, you are dressing like a local man and there isn't that uniquness of being a visitor. These same women definately check you out, although they don't stare you down as in Sweden.
Another item is anger, a few were impressed that I didn't get upset at all. Apparently Eastern European men tend to have a short temper with women. Answers why they are so often subordinate.
Also, try not to drink unless they are, because drunk, lazy men is a real turn-off and very common.
You see all kinds of dumpy looking guys on the plane with women old enough to be their kid, (you wonder how they landed the hot girl) except they are married. (children in tow)
MHO
Heres a thumbs-up for an agencygirl.
I had planned an 24 hours appointment with Alexandra from escortodessa so I didnt have to feel lonely on arrival. The correspondence with the agency was a bit shaky. It was like only every other email got an answer, but I pushed on. But when I arrived, everything was excactly as I had specified. It was a real GFE no bars held. Both normal sex and bdsm obviously turned this very cute and sexy girl on. I feel in love.
I also went mongering in 111 and Moda. Both good places, especially 111 if you want to take an extremely young model with you home (I didn,t). Standard problem for the shy-guys though. I never had the guts to ask a girl if she was a pro, so nogo there. Resttown on a tuesday was sadass. 4-6 cute, but worn girls, with a whole bunch of weirdo-guys made me want to cry. Maybe the vibe is better on weekends?
Anyone around Kiev this weekend (July 29 to Aug 03)? Trying to seek out the local non-pro talent.
I was In kiev, donetsk and lugansk for the last 25 days and yes this place is actually overflowing with girls....
I went to river palace on a monday and it was packed with girls.
bargained with one and she was back with me for $150, the hotel security was not a problem too.
Good BBBJ, No CIM but she fucked the life out of me !!
Hey, great picture of a beer bottle, white square and your suitcase!!!
First of all, thanks to everyone for their great reports and feedback. I've done a bit of mongering in several spots in North America and Mexico but after reading all of the great reports about Ukraine I have to see for myself. I'm going to check out the paid scene and also give my best go to finding some freebies.
So based on recommendations here I rented an apartment in Kiev through www.uaapartments.com which was simple. Every email was returned quickly and all questions were answered. I was even able to bargain them down a bit on the price since it was just for one person and I wanted it for seven days.
I also followed Just Do It's advice using Friendfinder.com which also was spot-on. Much better than matchdoctor.com which was a complete bust for me (all the return letters seemed like form letters and you could tell none of the girls really spoke English). The way Friendfinder works is actually pretty cool too in that you automatically know which ladies are checking out your profile which makes it much easier to get in contact with those you like.
I'll be in Kiev from 17 Aug to perhaps the 25th. Would love to hook up with anyone here for a beer - just PM me. It can be fun to hunt with a wing man!
FYI I've only managed to learn about 50 words of Russian
but that was rather fast and simple using a great language course available at www.unforgettablelanguages.com. I did learn the Russian alphabet though and with more time could get enough to get by just from this course. It's a very slick way to learn and they have an online demo which is what sold me. Several days after viewing the demo and promptly making no further efforts whatsoever I still recalled all of the words I'd learned!
Will submit a complete report upon my return. Until then hats off to the great posters who inspired my trip; among them Mangus Man, Vegamars, Beansd, Ukieboy, and several others that should be mentioned but I'm just too lazy to go back and look up their names.
Thanks guys!
VD Dick.
For all your 25 days there, don't you have ANY pics of all your beautiful Donets'k or Lugans'k girls you discuss? Also, how about some info on Donets'k & Lugans'k prices. Certainly not same as Riverboat brothel $150, right?
By the way, what kind of VD does your dick have, oh sorry, its voo-doo, not vee-dee, well, its only a joke.
Lundgren.
Nice report. So you're saying that you used escortodessa for a girl in Kiev, not in Odessa, right? That makes sense, since I thought that the main escort agency in Odessa is called VIP.
Also, can we know how much you paid for your 24 hours?
Get an e-mail so you can get pm!
Mangus Man or Lady whatever
Well I Dont have more pics as the girls were more fussy in lugansk, dint have time to fool around in donetsk.
As far as what my dick has...If you are so interested why dont you suck it............just a joke !!!
VD
I've read all the posts in the Ukraine board (and have likely forgotten half of the great info). But I'm still fuzzy on the topic of money there. In Western Europe I usually just use my ATM card to get Euros from my U.S. bank. However I recall somebody saying there aren't any ATMs in Kiev. Is this true? If there are, do they work the same as western european ones?
Of course the usual fallback is cash since traveler's checks are likely going to be a big pain in Ukraine if it is even possible to use them at all.
So that brings me to the question of cash and customs. I remember several people saying the customs guys want to know how much cash you are bringing in, and how much you leave with. So what's the right thing to do? If I blow half the cash I brought in on ladies are they going to give me a hard time about leaving with a lot less? Would appreciate some advice here.
To VOO DOG DOO
Oh....so its like that? Ok.
That's cool, yeah. So let's all just calm down here. We can discuss this now.
Mr. Jackson, if you'll indulge us a brief moment for reparte', I'll keep it light, no need to intercede, we're all mature adults, all friends here, right?
So.....I said it was ONLY a joke, didn't I?
See, its just that we're all STILL waiting around for the first Lugans'k and Donets'k girls, and I just had this bad feeling that you blew it, and obviously, well,
do I really need to go on?
You know, if you hadn't BRAGGED about your 25 days, we could have let you slide, but don't you think you were just a bit irresponsible, when YOU had the perfect opportunity to pop those city's cherries on this board. So you actually got off pretty easy, seeing as YOU are the one with the Username of a penis.
And speaking of that, unless you just logged on for the first time, you'd know I have no interest whatsoever in your or any guy's parts. The very idea makes me ill. Nor, like YOU, am I interested in any GUY sucking me, but if that happens to be YOUR particular fancy, may I suggest you head downtown to your favorite queer bar so you can satisfy your now out of the closet desires to have your best buddy blow you behind the bus bench. As far as me and the rest around here are concerned, dicks are specifically for chicks.
You see, you can shoot back one god damn hell of a zinger and call me a Lady or a whatever, but its probably a much safer bet to say that there's more mongers than just me having problems with your story, expecting us to buy that any monger could waste 25 days, let alone 25 minutes in Donets'k, a bustling city of one million, just crawling with skirts, and not even have ANY time to fool with your tool?
Your fussy pussy story about Lugans'k is almost believable, but 3 weeks of gerkin jerkin in a candystore like Ukraine is a virtual crime punishable by sentencing you to the monger's hall of shame!
HEY! ITS A JOKE! GET IT??
Focus! Focus!
ATMs are more common than fire hydrants in Kiev. (followed by casinos)
The larger banks and ATMs give far better exchange than any manned by people. If you must exchange cash, go to American Express Office. (1.5%) Banks charge 3% on travellers checks in addition to other fees to exchange them.
Banks charge fees like brokerage firms do, for everyday transactions. (we all need to own a bank in UKR)
Its a cash economy there so don't expect extensive use of a credit card for goods or services.
All ladies take USD or Euro, but vendors only take local paper.
As many have noted and I experienced, don't worry about anything except what is written on the customs form. Leave with as little cash as possible.
I watched a guy lose some of his money exceeding the limit at Customs,(departing) but he was stupid enough to tell the women he had no problems in the past. (never a good idea to argue with customs) He probbly lost at least a few hundred Euros as I watched his cash get counted ahead of me.
bob dobbs
lots of atms. beansed's advice is right on the mark. don't waste your time here with traveler's checks. the only places that will cash them are banks, the lines are long and the procedure is a pain in the ass.
if you have more than $1,000 in cash on your way into ukraine, you should declare it by filling out a customs declaration form and making sure the customs officer stamps it. do not lose this document. this document allows you to take out that exact amount of money on your way out.
if you have less than $1,000 either on your way in or out, a verbal declaration is enough. they may ask you to show you the money but then will let you go on your way. just don't play games as they will confirep001e anything they want to if they catch you in a lie. you may also be lucky enough to miss your flight and stay over at the airport for another day.
To MANGUS LADY MAN
Yes its like that !!!!!!!!!! ok
We can discuss this.....
Well I dint brag about my 25 days in Ukraine, I was there !!!
Its a fact !!
Your bad feelings are your's totally, Please dont be the Judge of other people's experiences. have some on your own and enjoy your life a little !!!
I went to kiev on business and not for mongering, poping a few cherries was a side thing not a priority !!
I posted a picture of a girl I had a good experience with to share with everybody here, not be ridiculed !!
That is the purpose of this board !!
You started this thing but Iam ending it !!
VD