I'll take your advice and let you know how I do in those precious 2 hours.
Thanks again.
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I'll take your advice and let you know how I do in those precious 2 hours.
Thanks again.
Monday night, I made the rounds. All the clubs were pretty slow with Carolina's having the most customers. I went in Defiance first. Claudia (she's like the Cal Ripken of *****s-she's been there forever) immediately came up, but when I told her I wanted to look around, she very nicely exucsed herself. Girl #2(chuny with braces, not much of a face, either) came up and when told the same thing, just kept yammering away about whatever and stayed glued to me. I couldn't get her to leave, so I left. Went to Seaman's and wound up with Viviana (? ), the sorta dark skinny one with the incredibly long black hair, who looks about 18 (really is 22). Had fun, did the dirty deed, and left. Went back to Defiance, but it was so slow there, that a couple of them had set up bar stools in the middle of the entrance where they could scan (scare away) every person in the parking lot. Plus, Old Clingy was out there walking aorund in the lot. My wheels never stopped rolling and I went to Carolina's to see Val. Before she came downstairs, I had some new girl, maybe the Juliana mentioned earlier, who was alll over me. When I said, I'm hear to see valentina, she would say, "my name isn't valentina, it's juliana". I saw her getting dirty looks from the other girls, as if this were unsportmanlike conduct. Finally, I had to stand up off of hte bar stool so she would get off of me. Them, for the first time in my mongering experience, I saw a couple of guys I knew from the island. That was a little odd. It was like "So, you guys like *****s, too, huh? " After visiting with them, saw Val, did the thang, went home and slept like a log.
[QUOTE=Zing23]
... She was my third working girl of the afternoon, and that was why she cried. I said last week that the chicas of st maarten were a safe experimental environment for learning about women - well today I had to decide whether to tell a woman the truth, or tell a white lie.
-zing[/QUOTE]
I know you guys have a blast running around these casas in SXM, it's like a mini-Colombia for you. That's great!
A lot of these chicas (most) travel off to these foreign places, leaving their family behind to make some sort of money to help make a jump start for a future in Colombia. Work is not easy to find in Colombia, at least work that pays anything, especially for young, un-university schooled chicas.
Anyway, as you've seen, you can easily cross the line from customer to lover to boyfriend.
These Colombianas are famous for being loving and for falling for nice and loving guys ... somethng Colombian men generally are not.
Doesn't matter if they're working girls, they weren't born working girls, they are simply young Colombianas hoping to earn money.
Maybe playing with their feelings for an experiment is not such a fair deal for them. Whether you care or not, is up to you.
I'm not doggin' anyone, just making an observation
Suerte! :)
routard,
Is you amor still in st martin? i thought she returned to Colombia.
i speak to mi amor daily and also receive e-mails from her. I just sent some $$$ to her family in Colombia to prepay my next visit. i know that she would stay with me for free as she has done so in the past, but sending $$ to columbia is better than giving money to a charity . at least i know where my donation is going. i am still a hound dog monger, but i really like the relatioship with mi amor. i will visit as many Chicas as possible (with what remaining leche she leaves me with), but is so easy to love these colombian women , they are truly special.
mel
Thanks for all the feedback on my visit with Eva when I made her cry. Of course you are all right, and I am sorry I made it seem like I was flippant about the girls. I know I made a mistake by not telling a discreet white lie, but since I started with honesty, I decided to stick with honesty. Eva will be going back to Colombia on April 10 and I can be honestly faithful to her until then. She says sex with my wife is no problem and what I do after she leaves is no problem either. I thought I would bring you up to date.
Today I spent another 5 hours with Eva and there were no more tears, but did I make things better or worse? I am not sure.
I arrived at the clubs without my standard bag of tricks (music cds, amall stuffed animals, internet news from colombia, small jewelry gifts), but with a surplus laptop from my office in the trunk of my car.
I went straight to Le Petit Chateau and walked down the bar to Eva. She lit up, but we both had a hesitant look - "are we okay?" (read previous reports or none of this will make sense). She isn't the most beautiful girl in St Maarten, not even the most beautiful at Petit Chateau, but she is pretty, her body is in perfect condition, she is a grownup, and she is fresh and open. When I first met Eva 2 weeks ago, I was very attracted to her, but my heart was saddened by the conditions she was living through.
Today she introduced me to her friend Maria, then told me that the other girls were starting to be mean because she had a boyfriend. We went straight to room 3 so we could talk without the loud noise in the bar. She mentioned that she was waiting for the results of her brother's biopsy - still does not know if he has throat cancer or not. She asked when I arrived in St Maarten today and what I had been doing? No other girls? I answered honestly - no sex since our previous time together and I came straight to you after running 2 errands. We showered and cleaned up, then lay down for some serious kissing. I opened myself up to possible embarrasment by telling her we would try it without Viagra and see what happens. I thought perhaps I didn't need it anymore, but the delay after BBBJ to put on the condom was enough to soften me up and make it difficult to have satisfactory sex. I popped a V and told her we would need 15 minutes for it to kick in. While we waited, she played with me and I played with her (DATY, digits). Eventually, everything snapped into place and we were off to the races. The sex was as as good as the last time, in spite of my making her cry. However, honesty to ISG requires me to say that she is not the hottest fuck I have ever had in St Maarten (experience does bring some benefits).
At the end of my first visit, which was good and would probably have led to a perfectly enjoyable, normal client-provider relationship for her remaining month in St Maarten, I did something very sentimental, but probably not smart: I gave her a $59 MP3 player loaded with 15 albums of latin music (aventura, rosana, juan luis guerra, juanes, shakira, etc.). It was way too soon for such an extravagent gift; it should have been at the end, as a parting gift. On subsequent visits, more thoughtful small gifts (after 18 months of visiting the girls and reading ISG and learning Spanish and learning about life in Colombia, I know what will be appreciated), then a barfine and an afternoon at the beach, then copies of language software. She had every right to build romantic fantasies about me.
This time I brought Eva a used laptop that her daughter (and she) can use to learn english/french/etc and to learn computers. I had already decided to do this before the last visit when I made her cry, so it wasn't a makeup gift. I decided that I couldn't hold it against her that I made a major strategic blunder. She asked if I remembered what I had suggested the last time (before our blowup), and I asked if she was ready, then went out to the car to get the computer (transported in a bag from one of our boutiques so that it wasn't obvious in the bar what it was). Back in her room, we unpacked it and I showed her how to play music from the hard drive, how to learn the mouse with solitaire, how to play pinball, and a couple of standard Windows techniques. She noticed the brand and recognized it, "this is a good brand!" she said. I made her do all the work on the keyboard, so she would have a chance of remembering some of it.
After an hour in the room, we re-wrapped the laptop and hid it under a table. Then we went out so that her roommate could use the room for a client. We had an orange juice in the bar, we sat in the courtyard and talked, we watched the red light on her room to see when the client was done. She asks me "Has she been in there 20 minutes yet?" 'No - only 10 minutes - be patient.' Finally the light goes off and we are back in the room as the guy walks out. I should mention that the other girls in the bar and the patrons also have been watching this and now think that Eva must be the hottest chica on earth! Later a young local guy asked me if she was a good fuck and told me his uncle owned the bar.
This time I taught her how to play a CD (I had a CD of English ballads for that purpose), and how to play a movie (I had the DVD 'Simply Irresistable' with Spanish sound track) and how to switch to the International keyboard for typing Spanish. We spent another hour in the room - she learned very quickly, although not as quickly as a child will. At last we had to leave because her roommate is a good worker and would need the room again. Eva did not want to leave the computer in the room, she didn't trust the roommate or the clients. But her private sleeping room is locked until around 5 or 6pm when the girls get their break. She talked the bartender into letting her have the key for a moment so she could put her gift in her room - the bartender says - 'you alone, no guests!'.
Then we sat in the courtyard and talked some more. We are now talking more about our lives, spouses, family, various problems small and large, fun things too. she is on the cellphone to colombia, trying to find out about her brother. very tense. she says she really doesn't want to work today. is it possible i can pay bar fine and we can leave. no money changed hands after our 2 hours in the room unrtil now.
okay, we go to bobby's marina for lunch. we aren't the same as before, the romantic haze is gone, but we are starting to give each other our stories, to understand each other better. eva says that no one has ever given her a gift like a computer before in her entire life. i can see that she is somewhat overwhelmed (is this a dream?). i point out to her the things she will need to do in order to take full advantage of this tool, for herself and her daughter. She asks if I could come to visit her in Curacao if she went to work there. I could stay in her room for 30 days if I wanted to. Last time she told me that the girls have more flexibility there than in SXM, but since then she has learned that the customers are basically the same guys as in SXM, and she doesn't like the local guys (and they aren't that attracted to her because her bum is not that big!). I don't want her going to Curacao on my account - I tell her the truth - I won't be able to go there - in fact, there is more chance I could swing a vacation to Colombia than Curacao, and that chance is small.
We look at the huge cruise ships and I learn a new word 'escapado' - she says we two could runaway, escape on the cruise ship. We drive around town while I do my remaining errands. She gets philosophical - tells me that a billionaire faces the same fate with cancer as the poor person - she doesn't need to be rich. she can be perfectly happy on $150 a month in Colombia. Finally we return to the club. It is quiet. As we go back to her room for the third time, the girls look at me like I am crazy. We have sex for a second time, but now it is like with a real girlfriend. With a pro, she is "always in the mood". But a real girl is not in the mood when her brother is facing death and can't get an answer out of the doctor (why do these tests take so long?). She has a headache from the stress and the worry. She does her best to satsify me, but there is no satisfaction for her. Afterwards she asks me for a massage and to rub the headache out of her head.
I learn more about the business at the club: girls can't put anything on the walls of the new work rooms - or they pay a fine - so there is nowhere to hang your clothes. If a girl uses her cellphone at night, she pays a fine. There are fines for everything. At night, the girls have to pay $10 to the club each time they take a guy to the room. During the daytime, they get to keep everything for themselves. last week a girl went out for the night with a local guy, salida (bar fine). she agreed to do the whole night for $100. he took her to his place, fucked her a couple of times, then brought in his 2 buddies and told her to fuck them. she tried to say no, this was not our deal, but he had a gun, she was very afraid.... when she finally returned to the club, she found that she had been given an empty envelope - no money at all.
Eva tries one more time to call her brother - but she has run out of credit. I am nice, but she has others to worry about. we walk out to the car, kiss, and she heads for the minimarket to recharge her cellphone. I don't know what you guys think, but I am playing it out the way that feels right to me.
-zing
[QUOTE=Zing23]Thanks for all the feedback on my visit with Eva when I made her cry. Of course you are all right, and I am sorry I made it seem like I was flippant about the girls. I know I made a mistake by not telling a discreet white lie, but since I started with honesty, I decided to stick with honesty. Eva will be going back to Colombia on April 10 and I can be honestly faithful her until then. She says sex with my wife is no problem and what I do after she leaves is no problem either. I thought I would bring you up to date.
-zing[/QUOTE]Zing I can only speak for myself but I know if I lived on St Maarten or was a frequent visitor , I would certainly end up with a GFE because the relationship would be far more rewarding than the constant change that tends to happen now.
I can see with the 4 club locations it probably could work that you have a real honey in one and then frequent the other locations for the variety.
You have made a commitment with Eva until April 10th and then you are home free. That is a decent honourable position to take and I respect you for that.
However I have seen it dozens of times in Cartagena when a girl latches on to a guy from overseas , does not matter from where as long as he has some cash flow and then is on the cell phone complaining of no money, mothers sick and other hardships. As soon as the guy has gone she is seeing other guys and has the added income coming in from overses from her boyfriend.
Good luck with the solution
KK
Nice present there, Zing! I too would watch out if the problems with her brother turn into her needing money to bury him, etc. I know you wouldn't fall for that though.
zing,
i know how you feel. i too have been mongering looking for something. after much introspection , it is not fucky fucky, even though i am still a monger at heart. I could never be faithful. I am fortunate to have my two colombian loves and still get a chance for some mongering. It is so nice to wake up to a warm body entwined with mine just waiting to screw my brains out for breakfast. Crossing the line is not so bad as long as i can still get in a little mongering. Enjoy Eva and remember if confronted Lie like the true gentelman you are.
mel
[QUOTE=Zing23].......We have sex for a second time, but now it is like with a real girlfriend. With a pro, she is "always in the mood". But a real girl is not in the mood ........She has a headache from the stress and the worry. She does her best to satsify me, but there is no satisfaction for her. Afterwards she asks me for a massage and to rub the headache out of her head.....[/QUOTE]
Zing:
Lo siento!! You have crossed the dividing line and entered the realm of Monger Hell. You now have a great girlfriend, who will work when you are not there (but with your knowledge) and give other mongers "great sex".
But the supportive you, will now get the girlfriend / wife sex. It is likely to become not as frequent, and not as exciting as it was!! And, the nice guy that you are, you will probably tolerate it (while whispering to yourself "What the fuck....why me....I need the old sex"???!!).
You will always be able to mentally visualize "the room", the sights, the smells, the light, and what you did in it. Then in a rictus of agony you will picture some other bastard in the room enjoying Eva, or treating Eva like shit.
Be prepared for the emotional roller coaster that you are about to ride!!
I fear this is our purgatory.
Suerte
Polvo
[QUOTE=Polvo]But the supportive you, will now get the girlfriend / wife sex. It is likely to become not as frequent, and not as exciting as it was!! And, the nice guy that you are, you will probably tolerate it (while whispering to yourself "What the fuck....why me....I need the old sex"???!!).[/QUOTE]Yes, I had asked myself these questions already, but as it is only for 2 weeks, I can handle it. I have had this same thought with other working girls that I have become friendly with. And I even discussed it, from a different direction, with Eva herself! We talked about how marriage seems to eventually kill passion and romance - but the sentence is not for 2 weeks, but for years.
Just because we know these things does not mean that we can always avoid them.
-zing
[QUOTE=Kit Karson]
However I have seen it dozens of times in Cartagena when a girl latches on to a guy from overseas , does not matter from where as long as he has some cash flow and then is on the cell phone complaining of no money, mothers sick and other hardships. As soon as the guy has gone she is seeing other guys and has the added income coming in from overseas from her boyfriend. [/QUOTE] I have read enough ISG reports to know that Moneygram hell is a common ending. I don't give the girls my phone number, and if I do call Eva when she gets back in Colombia it will be on a disposable cellphone SIM, not on my regular phone. If the requests for money start, I throw away the SIM. With no hard feelings. It is just human nature.
-zing
I received the following request in a PM:[quote]I read with interest about the music you loaded onto an MP3 player. You mentioned 15 albums including (aventura, rosana, juan luis guerra, juanes, shakira). I need to increase, actually start, my collection and appreciation of the music in support of our hobby and wondered if you could give some additional names.[/quote]Below are the best 15 latin cds in my collection (4.5 GB of MP3 at the moment) for sharing with a colombiana. They will just fit on a 1GB mp3 player if you delete a few lesser songs.
There is some latin music that I like (old cuban for example) that the chicas do not usually like. And there is a lot of recent latin pop music that they enjoy, but I don't enjoy as much. These are not the best 15 latin albums of all time, just the 15 that I have stumbled across that created a cross-cultural connection (some were recommended by chicas, a couple were given to me as gifts by chicas, most I found by trial and error):
[url=http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000053VJI/]Juan Luis Guerra - Grandes Exitosde (reissue)[/url]
[url=http://www.amazon.com/K-O-B-Live-Aventura/dp/B000JJ4W60/]Aventura - K.O.B. Live[/url] (pop bachata, the set with 2 cds and a dvd)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Valio-Pena-Marc-Anthony/dp/B0002IQNV0/]Marc Anthony - Valio la Pena[/url] (salsa)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Andrea-Bocelli-Amore/dp/B000CC1TGA/]Andrea Bocelli - Amore[/url] (he is italian, but this cd is in spanish)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Grandes-Exitos-Rosana/dp/B000B9O91Q/]Rosana - Grandes Exitos[/url]
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Serie-20-Exitos-Camilo-Sesto/dp/B000005LFS/]Camilo Cesto - Serie 20 Exitos[/url]
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Putumayo-Presents-Colombia-Various-Artists/dp/B00005LN1V/]Putumayo Presents: Colombia[/url] (salsa, valenato, cumbia)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Escucha-Laura-Pausini/dp/B0006419R8/]Laura Pausini - Escucha[/url]
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Ones-CD-DVD-Limited-Package/dp/B00006JJ6S/]Selena - Ones [/url] (tejana pop)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/20th-Century-Masters-Millennium-Collection/dp/B000AOF9UM/]Best of Soraya[/url]
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Celia-Cruz-Friends-Night-Salsa/dp/B00004L8EN/]Celia Cruz and Friends: A Night of Salsa[/url] (or any other greatest hits cd)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Fijacion-Oral-vol-1-Shakira/dp/B00097A5HW/]Fijacion Oral vol. 1 - Shakira [/url] (Although Shakira is from Colombia, she is not as popular with Columbians as with Americans, perhaps because she has been singing mainly in English recently. Get the Spanish album only.)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Mi-Sangre-Juanes/dp/tracks/B000A2H07E/]Juanes - Mi Sangre - Limited Edition[/url] (Rocker from Medellin, his most recent album, with live performances too)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Hasta-el-Fin-Monchy-Alexandra/dp/B00064AE2O/]Monchy y Alexandra - Hasta El Fin[/url] (bachata)
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Lo-Mejor-Joan-Sebastian/dp/B000001YDJ/]Lo Mejor de Joan Sebastian[/url](latin country music, 'Lo Mejor' means 'The Best')
Click the links to go to Amazon. There is deliberately no reggaton on this list. Most of the chicas do like reggaeton and I can enjoy it too, but after listening to it all day in a club at high volume, there is no need to listen to it in private. Also missing from this list is Gloria Estefan - most chicas say they don't like her, even though I do. The reason is probably that most of her hits are in English. This CD contains her best romantic songs in Spanish and when a chica will listen to it, they like it:
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Amor-y-Suerte-Exitos-Romanticos/dp/B0002XL2B6/]Amor y Suerte: Exitos Romanticos - Gloria Estefan [/url]
-zing
Thanks for providing this information. I am going to add some of these.
Over the past 9 months I too have been building my collection of Latin music on my MP3. It all started with a recommendation from Ford to make sure I have Latin music in the room to enhance the experience. He even gave me a mix CD he made to start things off. Some of the best advice I have ever received Since then I have been adding to the collection. IT WORKS WONDERS! Many times we start with dancing and drinking and and keep the music on for great sex. Other times I have been treated to a series of very erotic lap dances, finishing in great sex. (The fantasy we all have in US strip clubs)
Two recommendations:
Christina Aguilera Spanish Album - The Spanish version of Genie in a Bottle is my lead song. I have not found a single girl who does not like this.
Ricardo Arjona - Not sure which album. He has a lot. I just copied some from my novia in Panama. I went to his concert in Panama. The chicas absolutely go crazy over him.
I do have reggaeton in my collection. Some chicas specifically ask for it and who am I to disappoint. I just keep it in a seperate playlist.
Ok, so I haven't been mongering in a long time. Almost two weeks. My regular over at Seamans (Paola) called me wondering where I was, saying the usual chica shit (I miss you!). So I went by tonight almost at closing time and asked her if she wanted a TLN. She wanted to charge me $200 for a TLN from 3:00AM till 9:00AM. I said no way, and was relatively offended, etc, and then told her I needed to go to the bathroom and just left her.
I then went over to Carolina's and there was some fight there or something, so I went in and I went over to Tatiana, from Bogota. Her body is a 10/10, and face is a 7 or 8/10. Body is absolutetly perfect. Brought her back, CBF, CFS, etc. Nice, nice.
Hey regular traveler, please refrain from using the word Fantasy, "dream" would be better.(lol) The use of music, candles, etc... goes back a long way. I have found that alot of girls like starting with a good "club mix" when they first get back to the room for drinks and strip tease, then after shower time we role into some good spanish music for fucking. Even Ford has incorporated this into his collection.
Hey its been awhile since I visited the dutch side! Maybe a return is in order for early summer.