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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2246997]
A local monger who lives 20 km can easily spend 30 days in the FKK without much effort. They might just have nothing else better to do on their weekend. For someone who lives so close, I would say 60-150 days might be the threshold to be considered hardcore. If such mongers lived "5000 miles away" as some other poster recently mentioned, my bet is a lot of these men would never make the effort to fly out to FKK land, unless they had some other reason, like visiting family or a business trip. These mongers probably would not read ISG.
Contrast that to a fly-in sex tourist from the USA or Asia. To attend 30 days, they basically have to sacrifice most if not all of their paid vacation and public holidays. Many that I have talked to have zero interest in Germany except for the FKKs. If these men are in Germany for seven days, they will maybe take at most one day off. A I am not saying locals don't want these things, but percentage-wise more of the fly-in tourists want this. I am generalizing, of course. I consider you a hardcore fly-in sex tourist, and you seem to just want sex. DFK, intimacy, youth, exceptional beauty and whiteness don't really seem that important to you.
Manhattan has a lot of tourists that fly-in, but they seem to be the type that do a day or two of mongering on the back-end of a business trip. Or they have a 24 hour layover in Frankfurt. These men are neither sex tourists or hardcore mongers. But I would say 90 percent of fly-in sex tourists are hardcore mongers. With locals, even the ones spending 30-60 days, that percentage might only be 10 percent.[/QUOTE]I agree with much of what you say here and this post ties in to frequency (see Gypsy thread) , I think you can add some great insight ' to my problem'; but a good one to have. I in a way am the opposite of some fly in tourist you mention but we come in all shapes and sizes with different desires. Your generalization is probably correct for the masses, I find myself an exception to the rule.
Your assessment of Mainhatten is also correct with a few exceptions, as I see four regular guys and at least 2-3 of them are always there but that is a TINY amount compared to other places, so I say you hit the nail on the head for that club. For that club even less very few guys research!
Yeah it is all hardcore in some way shape or form for most of us, guess it is hard to really define it. I discussed this with my shrink of ten years the other day (the previous one fired me), American culture tells me I am a scumbag yet European culture much more ' normal'; so I wish to be there not here. : the.
Great combo of insights, opinions and facts as always, thanks.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2247007]Best of luck. Reports and getting other perspectives will go a long way for obtaining a fuller picture. For me I tend to be lazy, so there is inertia. Based only on Jnpr's account and a few others, the economics and time investment required for SBs don't seem that bad relative to FKK. Sugar Babes seems like a better option for value. That assumes, of course, you are smart enough to avoid a gold digger who wants to long-con you for half your net worth. For those mongers who need variety, I could see SBs as not being a substitute for FKK. Personally, if I could only mine 20 sugar babes per year, I would be fine. Even in the FKKs, 80 percent of my sessions are with the same 20 or so WGs.[/QUOTE]
Thank you McAdonis for the well wishes.
I am just getting myself back into the saddle on this. There is some serious poon in the locales and there does seem to be intense mining and caving needed to explore the pussy out there.
You may even build up some self esteem when you realize these "civilan" girls are willing to date you and maybe open play is possible instead of pay for play.
Failing all that there is an active escort and massage parlor scene to fall back on. Also the private parties and gang bang events. This scene is dominated by Brazilians and Latinas and natives as well.
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I doubt that a bit. This absolutely was true last year, before the new law came. But now you only get this in YY, Sixsense and other non-german clubs.
[QUOTE=MrHo;2246825]You get sugar babies at German FKK especially during summer, you get walk in girls doing FKK job part time for summer, this is rare, but you still get this.[/QUOTE]
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What "precious princess" are you referring to? You mean SGs are on the rise? I am having high doubts here.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2246949]... but as McAdonis and Kosher Cowboy says with the rise of the Precious Princess that the allure of the mega FKK clubs is dwindling.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2247023]I doubt that a bit. This absolutely was true last year, before the new law came. But now you only get this in YY, Sixsense and other non-german clubs.[/QUOTE]Correct.
The sugar babe girls have to pay a hefty registration fee which is per state allows then a licence to work in that state or a number of other named states, the identification includes their photo. There are two cards that they may have, one with a working name and another with their real name. Some girls opt only for one card as it s a cheaper fee and that card is the one with their working name only.
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2247027]What "precious princess" are you referring to? You mean SGs are on the rise? I am having high doubts here.[/QUOTE]What is a SG?
I think you mean SpermaGames. They are a lot of fun. Every hole is a goal.
Precious Princess is a term coined by the sage Optimist to describe the up selling girls at especially Sharks who require 100 euros or more before they even think about fucking you.
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[QUOTE=McAdonis;2246997]Hardcore mongers is a bit hard to define, but my definition is simply someone that earmarks a significant amount time and / or money to mongering. This includes traveling, following forums, and visiting brothels. It is hard to put an exact number on this such as days / hours / EUR spent at the club. It depends on the individual and their circumstances.[/QUOTE]This article suggests a number for German regular visitors. I have already linked it in the Dietzenback thread but repeated here for ease of search and availability since fewer read that thread due to Dietzenbach club's specialist AO offering.
In this article it says: It is estimated that 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex every day. 18% are regular consumer, 80% have been in a brothel. These statistics far out weigh the statistics for other countries where the article says: The numbers all over the world prove it: "In England, you have 7% of the men who are sex buyers, in Spain 39%, 37% in Japan, 73% in Thailand." The comparison is that Germans are having way too much fun with their paid sex scene. It is very popular and mainstream like in Thailand at 73%.
Link:
[URL]https://www.trauma-and-prostitution.eu/en/2016/11/02/the-german-model-is-producing-hell-on-earth/[/URL]
Then the making it a job in Germany comes out in the stories you hear from the girls when they are with a client. The article gives this familiar discussion as an example, but I have heard it before too directly:
The testimony says:
"the buyers of sex have become more brutal. That's from one day to the next. Nowadays, if you say, "No, I don't do that," You often get the response, "Come on; don't be so difficult, it's your job". Before it was forbidden to demand unprotected sex. Today, buyers ask on the telephone if they can [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] on your face, wanting to do it without protection, wanting to do it anally or orally. These days, it's an everyday occurrence. Before, buyers still had a guilty conscience. That doesn't exist anymore today, they want more and more. ".
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[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2247017]I agree with much of what you say here and this post ties in to frequency (see Gypsy thread) , I think you can add some great insight ' to my problem'; but a good one to have.[/QUOTE]I just skimmed briefly, but it seems your question is about how frequently you might attend sex clubs, if you were to move to Germany. It sounds like if you moved, it would be after you were retired. My guess is you would attend at least three times a week, but since you are not a tourist operating under time constraints, you would probably session much less per visit. Tourists will go to the room even if they are not that "horny". They will force themselves to session even if there is not a strong desire because (1) fear of missed opportunities, and (2) amortize those overhead costs (time and money).
I have seen the one million sex customers per day figure quoted by Bitumen. If this figure is indeed true, we can extrapolate, that the majority of those mongers are using non-FKK venues. For someone with a job and or family, they are most likely looking for a quickie on a weekday. It does not make financial sense to pay 65 EUR entry upfront if you only have time for a quickie. If one has an entire day off, you can use the wellness, eat, fuck a WG, rest and recuperate, and fuck another WG six hours later. That's when the 65 EUR entry makes more financial sense.
You can purchase property in some EU countries and get permanent residency. Just Google "golden visa".
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2247041]In this article it says: It is estimated that 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex every day. 18% are regular consumer, 80% have been in a brothel. These statistics far out weigh the statistics for other countries where the article says: The numbers all over the world prove it: "In England, you have 7% of the men who are sex buyers, in Spain 39%, 37% in Japan, 73% in Thailand." The comparison is that Germans are having way too much fun with their paid sex scene. It is very popular and mainstream like in Thailand at 73%.[/QUOTE]I don't think the statistics prove that Germans are more addicted to sex, it simply proves that Germans may be more open-minded to the idea of paid sex and slightly less judgmental towards the act. But I would say that the average German man does not tell his boss, wife, or mother that he is going to see a WG. Does the article define the define "regular consumer"? That might mean once a month. Also, I could be drinking with friends, and want to sober up before I drive home. I decide to walk thru the RLD and take in the sights, but would I be considered a consumer, even if I did not purchase sex that particular day? The figure of 80 percent is indeed high, but like drugs, some people only have the need to partake once. And then they never try it again. I am not saying your assertion is incorrect, I would just like more context. Part of it could be the current laws and ease of access. In Germany, paid sex is available almost everywhere, so it is harder to resist temptation. If Germans actually had to travel and make plans, I would imagine those numbers would be much lower than 18 percent and 80 percent.
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[QUOTE=Bitumen;2247041]In this article it says: It is estimated that 1..2 million men in Germany buy sex every day.[/QUOTE]Presumably the intended meaning is
"Everyday 1. 2 million men in Germany buy sex."
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Different perspectives
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2247030]
Precious Princess is a term coined by the sage Optimist to describe the up selling girls at especially Sharks who require 100 euros or more before they even think about fucking you.[/QUOTE]Salaam Habibi Bitumen!
I've bumped into several refugees from Sharks recently in Switzerland. Curiously enough, these girls all used the same word to describe Sharks: "shit". According to them the Turks behave like "animals" -- their word not mine -- and customers in general demand "everything" for just 50 euros. The club is packed with so many girls and so few customers it is impossible to find business any more.
Guys on here clearly have a different perspective. According to guys, the girls are acting like Precious Princesses -- not what you would expect them to do if they were truly hard up and the club were 80% girls and 20% guys as they like to claim. If the girls won't session with the civilized guys, then maybe it is understandable that all they are left with is "animals".
The one thing both sides agree on is that Sharks has gone downhill.
By the way Sayyid Bitumen, about the article you are referencing, sorry, but I can't understand why guys on a forum like this would take it seriously. When so much in it is so obviously false (like the price of sex in Europe going down in the past few years for instance), why quote its statistics as if they were gospel?
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Thanks for the info. I meant SB as Sugar Babes. I had a typo.
[QUOTE=Bitumen;2247030]What is a SG?
I think you mean SpermaGames. They are a lot of fun. Every hole is a goal.
Precious Princess is a term coined by the sage Optimist to describe the up selling girls at especially Sharks who require 100 euros or more before they even think about fucking you.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Kuni042;2247242]Thanks for the info. I meant SB as Sugar Babes. I had a typo.[/QUOTE]You are welcome Kuni042.
Nonetheless, you must visit a SpermaGame event.
You can find what you need here:
[URL]http://www.sg-parties.com/[/URL]
Events happen all across Germany, but you can wait for the events in Frankfurt. One price gets you and you can fill your boots with what you want.
At least now you know what AO sex is too.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2247213] According to them the Turks behave like "animals" -- their word not mine -- and customers in general demand "everything" for just 50 euros. [/QUOTE]Interesting perspective looks like it varies on the girl's end too. A WG in the Frankfurt area who has seen many years' worth of johns of all colors and races and shapes and sizes etc. Told me the opposite of the Turks. She described them ' as so nice', ' respectful' and mentioned they do ask for a lot for 50 but aren't pushy about it. She also mentioned they are very clean guys and shower all the time.
She said the opposite of the German men. She said they don't shower enough and I asked her ' why' as I kind of would think Germans shower daily and she mentioned it was something cultural dating back to water shortages after the wars and men becoming accustomed to limiting their bathing and apparently per her this tradition has been passed on thru the generations. I find it more comical than anything as I don't believe this German men not showering thing. That's like 70-80 years ago. Ancient history. I don't buy it but I am not the one fucking them. She mentioned also the Germans also ask for everything for 50 Euros but are much more aggressive about it than the Turks.
She said Tourists and Turks were her favorite johns. She left the Germans off. For whatever reason.
I have no opinion on the matter, just passing it on. I have seen many filthy and clean guys of both categories in the clubs.
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[QUOTE=KosherKowboy;2247253]
She said the opposite of the German men. She said they don't shower enough and I asked her ' why' as I kind of would think Germans shower daily and she mentioned it was something cultural dating back to water shortages after the wars and men becoming accustomed to limiting their bathing and apparently per her this tradition has been passed on thru the generations. I find it more comical than anything as I don't believe this German men not showering thing. That's like 70-80 years ago. Ancient history. I don't buy it but I am not the one fucking them.
[/QUOTE]I find it hard to believe too Freikösherkowboy. Maybe she has worked in some low-class places.
To me, one of the merits of the FKK system is the tradition of showering on entering. This means that if a girl complains about you being dirty, you know she is bullshitting and is just anti-sexual.
One thing I am opposed to is saunaclubs where they let clothed guys in during the evening and you get a mix of polar bears and the kontakt-bar crowd. That is messing with the system. You cannot make assumptions about cleanliness any more.
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[QUOTE=Polyamorist;2247213]By the way Sayyid Bitumen, about the article you are referencing, sorry, but I can't understand why guys on a forum like this would take it seriously. When so much in it is so obviously false (like the price of sex in Europe going down in the past few years for instance), why quote its statistics as if they were gospel?[/QUOTE]I quote them since that is what is public and is used by public figures to support their stance on the topic. For us to ignore them is to our loss and feeling of disenfranchisement.
A lot of the things said in the article I have heard in some form, including the stereotype that Germans are more pushy for harder services since they consider the girls are doing a job. With the vast numbers of Germans one sees in the clubs with foreigners are in the minority, the industry drivers are locals. You even have said yourself that you do not see sex workers where you have to pay in advance for sex.
I agree with you that guys will not believe what they do not want to believe. It is like religion. One must have faith to see one through the long night.
Now back at you. How do you know that the price of sex in Europe is not going down in the past years?
What about Inflation? What about the movement of working girls from one or two countries to Germany and other places since the price of sex in those countries has dropped so much that it is not worth it.