Sexual Addiction

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It's too bad that the discussion on this subject has apparently ceased to exsist. It's a serious issue. You should consider positing.

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. . . we are all too busy having sex . . .

you mean, paying for sex :)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Prokofiev
[i].

. . . we are all too busy having sex . . . [/i][/QUOTE]

I didn't a such thing exist (he he he). I guess all men and some of these beautiful ladies are pussy junkies. But I guess that natural for my age ( 23). It just that pussy is so good how can anyone not want more of it was they had there 1st hit???? !!!!

Stunt

Well, once I started to play around a lot, I lost interest in my partner...she doesn't know about my hidden activities, but she is probably wondering what's going on...maybe this is a common issue here.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by stunt
[i]I didn't a such thing exist (he he he). I guess all men and some of these beautiful ladies are pussy junkies. But I guess that natural for my age ( 23). It just that pussy is so good how can anyone not want more of it was they had there 1st hit???? [/i][/QUOTE]

That's not what sexual addiction is all about, Stunt.

Everybody "likes" sex. (Even a few women I know! -- Sorry, bad joke!) Sexual addiction is not about "liking" sex a lot or even "too much." Nor is it really about wanting MORE sex. It's about engaging in sexual activity compulsively while deliberately ignoring dangerous excessive risks to health, reputation, financial well being and/or, perhaps most significantly, ... to important primary relationships.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Big_Leo69
[i]Well, once I started to play around a lot, I lost interest in my partner...she doesn't know about my hidden activities, but she is probably wondering what's going on...maybe this is a common issue here. [/i][/QUOTE]

You raise a good point Leo. And one for which there is no good answer. I experienced the same thing when I started to "play around." But I think it's very important to understand the reason you do and never forget that there is a reason why your with you're partner and not last night's one nighter.

What I will suggest to you is this. If you play around a lot and find yourself getting "addicted" to the lifestyle and/or some of the "other" women you're with, go out with that "extracurricular" interest a SECOND or even THIRD time. You MAY notice that the "novelty" of that first nighter has worn off. IF so you may find yourself better able to appreciate your "prime!"

I hope this helps.

Just wondering where i could get stuff that could make woman horny? I heard that there are some sort of pills that can make a woman hot and want to have sex. is that true?

Bad,
The only stuff I'm aware of is $50 and $100 bills . . .

LMAO Proko! :)

Badman. Let's see...
You could try conversation, gifts, compliments, laughter, dancing, foreplay....they are all things that make women horny. If you are considering dropping a pill in a woman's drink, however...all you're gonna end up with is a sexual assault charge.

That'd be "spanish fly".

Drive to Tiajuana, 3 AM is the best time. Park your car, find a dark alley near the center of town, call out "I want to buy some spanish fly....", someone will help you.

Hi chrisC30,

Where is Tiajuana?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by WindStar
[i]That's not what sexual addiction is all about... It's about engaging in sexual activity compulsively while deliberately ignoring dangerous excessive risks to health, reputation, financial well being and/or, perhaps most significantly, ... to important primary relationships. [/i][/QUOTE]at least as it pertains to gaining control of a compulsive pursuit of the hobby - if you start to compare what you spend on fun to a non-elective debt - e.g. rent - it can help at least point out that the compulsive pursuit of the hobby is not always rational. finally doing the math that each month you lay off is 1 1/2 months of rent you can keep in the bank can be a shocking revelation.


[QUOTE]Originally posted by badman
[i]Just wondering where i could get stuff that could make woman horny?[/i][/QUOTE]beer and/or money seem to work. if they don't, a personality helps, too.

RN,

((You could try conversation, gifts, compliments, laughter, dancing, foreplay....they are all things that make women horny)).

Excellent! Exactly what I was going to say, and also add, in agreement with Prokofiev, …con mucho dinero ($, £, Y…). LOL

BadMan,

Tiajuana is in Mexico. It’s classification is: Tijuana, Baja California, Mexico, and can be found at Latitude 32.53 deg. North, Longitude 117.021 deg. West. Just set your GPS to these coordinates, jump in the open-top and start driving, when the GPS start bleeping you just arrived… ;-)

Alternatively, search the net for S-fly… a lot of it and similar products are advertised for mutual consent usage… However, I still feel that RN’s suggestions to you are the best, better than any artificial chemicals; let your own / your partners human-chemistry work for you…

Regards,

Havanaman

[i]"Just set your GPS to these coordinates, jump in the open-top and start driving, when the GPS start bleeping you just arrived…[/i]

...unless of course, you don't live in America. :) If that's the case, just make sure you have an echo sounder as well as a GPS, and then you can throw a line over the side of your open-top and do a spot of deep-sea fishing while you drive....errr ...sail. *cheeky grin*


PS. BadMan, On a more serious note, I have read that many people have had severe allergic reactions to Spanish Fly, and that people with certain medical conditions should never touch it. You might want to do a bit of research if you're considering taking it, just in case. And like with any drug, giving it to someone without their knowledge/consent could be extremely dangerous. (As someone who has been on the receiving end of a dose of Rohypnol, I just felt compelled to mention that).

Actually I need to Thank RN. I put her advise to use with a wonderful gal in Windsor Ontario (Canada)- yes, an escort...
but I thought I'd leave you a link to what she had to say about our encounter:
http://www.adultmb.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=1773

Havanaman, our little lady from OZ is right, a little rommance is a great lubricant regardless of whether the encounter is a sure thing or not. :) It was one of the more memorable ones I've had.

Continuing the serious note: anyone interested in taking "sexual substances" should read:

http://www.sexinfo101.com/ot_aphro.shtml

This is a well balanced short essay on the subject. Let me tell you in brief, there is no KNOWN substance that will really make your desire "go" (or should I say cum!).

There are however thousands of products that will give you a psychological / placebo boost... Unless you absolutely have to (...and I really can't see why you would...) I'd urge anyone to stay clear of the fraudulent love potion industry.

I have treated 8 priapisms, well in excess of 45 physically traumatised penises, and at least half a dozen penises with serious urticaria (penis skin reactions to nasty substances placed on the “member”). Sometimes it beggars belief….

Why not try something new, something really radical? Try the natural / unassisted methods… (appropriately covered, as necessary off course!)

Regards,

Havanaman

Woohoo Warpig! That's fantastic!! Wow, you really went all out...I don't suppose you're free tomorrow night, are you? *wink, wink* lol

See...even us bad-assed working girls enjoy being treated like a princess every now and then! (Maybe even more so than regular girls, actually). Sounds like she had an incredible time. I think you can safely assume that you made that woman's day. And hopefully she showed you how much she appreciated it...over and over and over again... ;)

From what I've read about you RN I could only wish I was free tommorow night. LOL Perth ain't exactly right next door to Detroit Michigan. But Detroit is next door to Canada (Windsor) so the commonwealth is in my back yard. God Save the Queen and all her lovely little ladies of the evening :D

Trust me that the lady treated me very well, Carah is an absolute sweetheart. And RN, you are more than welcome to backchannel her for my email adress (tell her who you are more or less), then backchannel me ;-) @----;--

aphrodisiacs and such things

the popular statement that there is no known substance that will artificially increase people's willingness to have sex needs to be qualified. illicit drugs often do, and i suspect this is the real reason why governments cling to repressive policies in spite of the incredible social cost.

much has been written about avoiding addict prostitutes on the grounds that they are more likely than the regular ones to be unreliable and diseased. there may be some wisdom in this, but many a monger, including myself, repeatedly have had the best sex of their life with girls who happened to be high on one stuff or another. this type of experience has been underreported in whoring discussions, for reasons not difficult to grasp.

this doesn't entail that all illicit drugs are ideal aphrodisiacs. for one, being horny and being a good lover are two different things. c*caine and speed, to name two of the stuffs that will have girls climb up a wall pleading for cock, will make you horny as hell, while at the same time diminishing your capacity to sustain an erection. "enhanced willingness but failing ability to perform" is a phrase i've seen used to describe this predicament.

interestingly, this may give a clue as to why viagra was banned in japan for a while: it effectively enables men to have great sex while high on stimulants. not astonishingly, drug dealers have a sideline selling viagra.

had the fda been able to anticipate this perverse side-effect, viagra probably would never have made it to chemist's shelves.

I for one believe "aphrodesiacs" do exist. Booze of just about any kind can do the job if taken in sufficient quantities, but too much as we all know will knock the girl out cold, and make her thus no fun.

There's the drugs, Xstacy for instance, as well as various other street drugs that have sexual side-effects of atleast a minor level.

As for the rumored "spanish fly" like substances that are rumored to make a woman jump you almost instantly for no reason, I doubt they exist.

Almost all of the ones that I know of either "enhance" an already occurring activity, or weaken one's judgement. So if you want to
spice things up with your girlfriend, something can be done along this line, but you probably won't find an instant "fuck me" drug.

Spanish fly

Spanish fly is cantharide, an extract from an insect that causes severe itching of the urethra, possibly with accompanying erection. It has a very high toxicity and is more of a popular myth than a real illicit drug. See :

http://locus1.com/fdr/aph/ingcantharides.htm

Hi all,

Here's my dilemma. I'm 31, only been with one woman, still with her and plan to marry next year...after over 10 years of courtship. yep high school sweethearts. For the last three years or so I've had this one nagging thought.

What are other women like?

It's gotten to a point where the sight of a woman sets me off imagining the things I'd do to her and the way I'd like for her to reciprocate. These urges are quieted after some internet porn and masterbation, but that's becoming less and less of a long term solution. This leads me to think that being with someone else is also not the answer, but I can't think that far now.

I've never wanted to find another girl to have discreet sex with because I don't want or can't emotionally divorce myself from the act. For a long time I didn't want to use the services of a hooker because I imagine her hating me as a person and would rather grind my wallet for the amount of time it takes me to cum.

Now, I'm still hopelessly torn and getting a little desperate, to the point where I'm looking at going overseas to satiate this curiosity/lust, or whatever. I figure I'd go and do the deed before I get married. Reasoning that at least I didn't commit "adultery". I know I"m reaching here but I'm hanging onto whatever I can.

For you guys who may have experienced similar angst, what happened? how did you resolve it? One option is to talk to my sweetie, but not sure how to start.

Do you guys wish you never went down this road?

If so, did it stop at one incident?

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jadegatelover
[i]... One option is to talk to my sweetie, but not sure how to start. [/i][/QUOTE]bad answer. this is not an option if you wish to keep your girl. if you do the deed - never ever confess to her. go to a priest or a shrink if you must satisfy your urge to blab.
... do you also suspect that she has similar thoughts?

Honesty is important, regardless of what someone may have said about it destroying your relationship.

You haven't ACTUALLY done anything, so there's nothing to be guilty about. Ever picked up a women's magazine? Many of them fantasize that their lovers are famous celebrities or other attractive persons they've seen during their workday/worknight.

It's best to share your feelings with your fiancee.

Once you start down the "sneaking alittle action on the side" road, you'll find it harder and harder to be honest with your wife later on. Check out the SAFE SEX section for an example. This man may have infected his wife with something that has no cure, but is reluctant to come clean with her even now.

Ultimately, it is up to you. Do you think it's better to be "open" with your partner about what excites you, or do you think it's better to bottle it up inside, thinking it might be too much?

Jade,

Here's my 2 cents for what they are worth coming from an old TrashMan like myself.

When I first got married, I was 25 and my wife was 19. Now I had done my fair share of fucking with a variety pack of women prior to meeting her, but I will tell you that once I met her, we had sex on our 2nd or 3rd date ( she was no virgin either ) and right after that she moved into my place. She was a real little hottie that I thoroughly enjoyed on a more than daily basis for years. I never really had much desire to do other girls for many years. In fact, I had never even been in so much as a strip club until I was about 45 or so and then I'll admit a whole new world was opened up. It took little time for things to progress to trying an escort finally when out of town on business like a million other guys and then it was really off to the races.

The point is, that A) if I had never started with internet porn perusal and then strip clubs, and so on, I would never have both had so much fun as well as been so regretful at the same time and B)my wife totally sexually satisfied me for many many years and is still pretty damned hot, although a bit heavier than I like.

If you're not even married and you're cattin' around, she just isn't the one. When the one comes along brother you won't be able to get enough of it, at least for a lot of years

Trashman, is she an American? Perhaps you can enlighten the folks at the American Women section. Or is she Asian or Latina?

Dick,

She meaning my wife? She is American of Irish descent.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jadegatelover
[i]
For you guys who may have experienced similar angst, what happened? how did you resolve it? One option is to talk to my sweetie, but not sure how to start.

Do you guys wish you never went down this road? [/i][/QUOTE]

I agree 100% with RN. Don't EVER, EVER talk about your lust for anything approaching another female with your woman. Never. EVER.

I don't care how much she SWEARS that she wants to hear about it. I don't care if she gets down on her knees and begs. I don't care if she throws in a BJ for good measure.

MUTE is the word, my friend!

Think of it this way. One of these days should you ever decide to marry, the once little wifey is BOUND to ask you ... (CLEAR out of the blue, and almost ALWAYS at the TOP of the NINTH of WORLD SERIES with the bases loaded and the Babe's GHOST on the line, pointing to the bleachers) ....

"Honey," she ask, "AM I fat?"

When you’ve figured out how to answer that question (or not answer it, as the case may be) then you'll understand why you NEVER, EVER .. EVER talk to the little lady about your lust wanderings.

Mind you, if you have a taste for PRAIRIE OYSTERS (YOURS, of course) with her POT ROAST .. BE my guest, and COMMUNICATE! … But that’s YOUR call!, DUDE! LOL!

. Here's something that I've been wondering about . . . I see lots of reports on the Forum about middle age guys (35 to 55) who hit on 2, 3 or 4 SW's in one night. Guys who talk about 2 or 3 pops with a girl and then return to a club to look for more action. Maybe I'm just getting old, but after I've spent an hour or 2 with a woman and come once, maybe twice, I can't see the need or desire to spend more time and money looking for more sex that night. The next day, sure. But even when I was 18, I almost never came more than 3 times. It was my "baseball rule": 3 strikes and you're out. Even if it is physically possible-and of course it is- I doesn't feel that good and I certainly don't have the desire to do it again. Now in my late 40's, I usually only want one pop. I may take my time getting there because the journey is more important than the final destination. But paying for 3 or 4 different ladies strikes me as a psychological addiction more than a physical need. And someone mentioned taking Viagra and coming 8 times! That would hurt!

But after a good sex session with a woman- pro or girlfriend- I'm thinking about food, sports, money, almost anything but more sex. Is it just me? I'm not talking about the more common addiction to "new pussy", having sex with a different woman for the first time. That is almost a universal turn-on and is why this Forum exists in the first place. But multiple times with multiple women in a very short time period. I guess I'm just easily satisfied . . . - P

Hey Prok-I'm of the same persuasion. At this point, I look for the GFE totally. It definitly is a search for quality over quanity. When I was younger, it was a more balanced ratio!

I dunno, I think it depends on the circumstances and whether or not it's your regular prediliction. Even though I'm a big one on the GFE and tend to stick to single extended encounters, I can definitely also see the attractions of a debauchery spree, especially in places like Thailand or Amsterdam where it's inexpensive and easy to do. I look at it like going on an eating spree when there's a ton of great food easily available, or sitting through a full six-course dinner -- not something I'd do or have done on a regular basis, but once in a great while I can see it.

Well, JZ, I don't know how cheap Amsterdam is any more, especially with the Euro close to $1.10 but on my recent trip to Buenos Aires, I definitely was trying to see how much I could fuck, simply because I could afford it. I didn't really press it because I am never going to have a "personal best" where condoms are involved. I am 45 and usually I like to come twice and usually the second time is better. But for sure I would not need or want to fuck that much all the time.

But Proko, I know what you mean about it not being as good after a while. When I was 22 or 23, I came 8 times in one day which was a record at the time BUT the last time felt really strange, like I pulled a muscle in my perineum or something. Then for years after that my ejaculation had no distance on it; it just kinda came out. That didn't go away for maybe 6-8 years.

Then maybe two years ago I was dating this gal and she was really boring outside of bed so sex was all there was to do with her. One time she asked me what was the most times I came in one day and I told her the above story. She said we had to try to beat that record and I did come 9 times within 24 hours, although not technically in the same day. But 7 and 8 were not really enjoyable and then #9 just hurt like a motherfucker and then I had the same syndrome of no force to the ejaculation. Fortunately it only lasted a few months that time.

But the thing with condom sex is that no matter how good #1 or #2 is, I get horny again within hours. That doesn't happen when I am with a regular partner (and thus not using condoms). I suppose it could be related to the regular partner thing but I really don't think so.

Therefore, maybe condoms enable you to come more on a per day or per week basis even if they make you able to come less on a "per session" basis.

Then I read about guys taking 200 mg of Viagra and it really scares me, but I guess sexual addiction is less unhealthy than heroin addiction or nicotine addiction or alcohol addiction. I just got an e-mail from a gal I met in BA and she said she read in the news about a new Viagra or Viagra-type substance that lasts for 36 hours. She said "I sure hope you never take it!"

My sister is 60 and she keeps telling me that sex will become less important as I get older and I keep telling her I wish it would hurry up and happen!

Re Prokofiev's post:

I'm glad to see someone actually bring up the frequency issue. I'm likewise amazed at some of the stories. I'm 45 and frequently go on short trips to Dominican Rep, Thailand etc. I find that the first few days, I'll be with two or three women per day, but then I slow down. By the third day, I dont even fuck because I can't cum due to the condom; I either get a CBJ or have them suck on my nuts while I jack off, which I enjoy enormously.

I also agree that with this kind of frequency, the sensation diminishes. If I have sex after not doing it for say, a week, the sensation is far more pleasurable than if I'm doing it constantly, such as on these short trips.

What keeps me fucking on these trips though is the variety of girls; and the thought that when I get back to the US, its not nearly so available or fun. So I make the most of it.

It also takes me a few hours to find the desire to do it a second time. Twice, when I was in my twenties, I came twice in quick succession without even pulling out. That never happens now.

All in all though, my sex life in my forties is better than it was in my twenties, and a lot safer. I get much more; with many more partners; in exotic locales, and without any strings attached.

Don

Well, there is no doubt that condoms lessen the sensation and after close to 30 years of abuse and over-use, the little guy is a lot less sensitive than he used to be. But the # of times I can get off has nothing to do with a condom. When the tank is empty, I get that uncomfortable tug and slight pain at the base of my balls which is natures way of telling me, "No more!"Give it a rest" And I felt the same thing when I was 18, almost always during the 3rd pop. To go beyond 3, was an act of bravery . . .

Now days when I'm in Mexico, I often go to an estetica or casa every OTHER day which makes it more exciting and pleasureable, not to mention cheaper. It may only cost $35 or $50 to get laid, but why spend $150 or $200, when $50 is enough? Of course most of my trips are 3 to 6 weeks so I have plenty of time to visit several ladies, several times. But I definitely look for the GFE, and after finding one I'm not inclined to hit the streets looking for more that night. But to each his own. The thrill of the hunt is one of lifes stronger emotions, and there is a very fine line between sexual addiction and just being "male".

Peace, - P

Proko: As one of your most ardent admirers in such places as the American board where you are your usual rock of sense, I am amazed you would only come 2 or so times when you were 18. Had you a sheltered upbringing? I still fondly remember one session where I came 13+ times (I jest not). And as for doing 2-3-4 pops non stop, I thought that was normal at that age. Maybe you guys got zapped by aliens or something else took your sex drives away. maybe you are suited to marathons as opposed to short sprinting? Sex is like drinking: some sip, some can't stop and some like occasional binges. I also think love has a lot to do with it. When I love a woman, I can fuck her for hours and hours, kinda like a good motor bike, just rev her up and keep her hummin'. It is also good exercise and there is apower thrill in pumping away into a piece of warm meat, a woman in other words.

So too does the weather. The tropics were made for fucking. I find I fuck much better there (quantity wise and the ladies do help)

But fucking woking women is often like going to the rest room, merely answering the call of nature. However, when there is something more there, you gotta open up that throttle.

Generally speaking, 2 pops does me now, though I alwayst ry for a third one when I pay for 2. Gotta push ourselves guys.

Of course, so much sex is a bore. Blow jobs are best now, I find when I am tired or they are particularly ugly. Everything in balance I believe. That is why I am going to try to bonk at least 50 women during my 3 week stay in Thailand. That and my sexual addiction.

Skinless,

13 times in one night???? I'll take your word on that, but it really is beyond my comprehension. I honestly can't remember ever doing more than 3 , although I've done 3 quite a number of times.

As for hours and hours, yes that was fairly common . . . and still is for that matter. I can go for a long time without coming and I enjoy staying at a high level of excitement without letting go. And bonding with female flesh at the most primitive level is a continual and basic thrill . . . probably for all of us.

Sure skinless. What happened, from 13 times a nite to 200mg viagra per nite?

Dickhead your story about not hitting the distance is pretty funny and it's the first time I hear that.

Sure skinless. What happened, from 13 times a nite to 200mg viagra per nite?

Read the post or get someone to read it to you. I am talking there of my long gone youth. That was one (1) nite, una noce with a fucking great fuck who was 10 or more years older than me and was delighted to get some young blood. She led me along. I could still jerk off thinking of her. I was in love. And when I was a lot younger (and older), jerking off 8 or so times was no big deal. Now I prefer to share my seed. I am a generous guy.

Were you ever young? Have you never noticed young guys jerking away? Young guys are full of cum. I was once young. I have a very good friend who developed very early. Coming 13 times would have been nothing to him in his day. He fucks his wife every night (2 pops) and likes somore more. He ate his greens when he was young.

I am going to OD on Viagra for one (1) nite just so I have a poker to go with my poker face. I am not doing it for a hard on. I am doing it to maintain a hard on so they get the wages of sin (a few baht and my steel pockered dick up their butts). The only consideration I have there is my heart (I don't want to get a heart attack). My dick is not a consideration. It is merely my love toy (along with my electronic ones). I am doing all that coz I am a sick bastard, not coz I have a horn. I don't want to engage them in conversation. I just want to see how far I can push the envelope with them. This is my passion. They are my guinea pigs, my fellow collaborators in this dark journey of mine.

Proko is a marathon man. More of us are good at short distances. Maybe his ancestors came from East Africa and ours came from the West. maybe he was a steam engine in an earlier life puffing away across the great plains so that he could puff away on top of women this time round. Who knows? As long as we love and are loved.


[url]http://www.hps-online.com/tsy2.htm:[/url] Taoist take on all this, which has the much coveted John Skinless seal of approval. As I keep saying, love conquers all. If we can love and respect others, then we can improve our sex performance. Look at it like any other sport. Eveyone can play tennis but the Williams sisters are that bit better. Everyone can fuck but Skinless has been that bit better. That would not impress a bunny rabbit who does 13 before breakfast.

Ever see those old Rocky movies? You know the one where he is making his cumback? Getting into shape? Working out in the gym? Jogging through his neighborhood to cheers of wellwishers? Well that's me? I have been back in training and next week I enter the ring, which is a bed in a brothel in my case. Rocky 13. next week, I do 10 rounds with 10 Thai hos. Yes, I am taking viagra but that is just to beat them, to put them to the skinless sword and make them play with it and with each other. This is my vacation, my second childhood, playing with my toys. I do not cum in their faces as a rule as mutual respect is important.


With Tantra, men will have the ability to maintain a very heightened level of arousal with frequent climaxes and pleasures unmatched.

Meanwhile, here is some Tantric reading for all of you. Learn to do sex the Skinless way. Learn to love, honor and respect and you 2 can get to 13, or at least a respectable pops:

how can I reach multiples?



Here are a few things that will get you started, but remember that it will take lots of practice before you are truly able to reach your desired acme.


Breathe slow and deep through the mouth to energize your body
Practice movement exercises (like meditation)
Massage your partner thoroughly
Practice holding in your ejaculate for as long as possible
Remain calm during all sensual sessions
Get to know your own body parts
Focus more on eroticism
Be verbal, talk to your partner
Remain relaxed and calm throughout
Think about what's going on inside your body, and the way your heart, mind, spirit, and body feel.

It's obvious that men who can reach multi-orgasmic states are more emotionally intimate with their women and have an easier time reaching conscious sexual bliss. When a man finally discovers his capacity to relax into states of pleasure, it can take him to new levels that will be understood through direct experience.

This has been a John Skinless tip. Please practice. Before it is too late.

Dick Head:good points about condoms. Will we ever go back to those great condomless days of the 1970s: free bareback sex. Oh btw, I could never have done 13 pops with condoms. How I hate those things.

I am aware of your age, actually I've seen your picture. I can pop 2 times a day everyday easy but 13 times a night? Dickhead 7-9 times/24hr is very possible as I've been there myself. But coming that extra time after the 7th time is far from easy. And it's also 24 hours not just one night(what..12 hrs tops).

"I have a very good friend who developed very early. Coming 13 times would have been nothing to him in his day. He fucks his wife every night (2 pops) and likes somore more. He ate his greens when he was young."

Dick J: I achieved that little trick in the mid 1970s. Yes, it was one night. The first two (or so i was NOT really counting) pops were among the best I ever had. The rest was just a work out.

Dick H: I have a friend who hates all the spam advising how to make your dick bigger. He wants to make his smaller and is delighted his popping days are over.

btw DJ, my BB friend must be about 6 months pregnant now. She no longer gets any emails, not even from me. Her go go days are done.

Hey, maybe Jackson can start a Memory lane board for us in about 20 years (or less) when all we have left are memories and herpes:)

Also, most of this sex is in the head. It is a nervous release. I find now I can fuck the ugliest women I could not have done years ago. I just plug and play.

My last time in hilok, I just lay down and let them do all the work. That was about 8, mostly bbbjs. However, and here is an important point for some, I did not, I think, produce all that much cum though one fully clothed provider insisted on showing me all my juices in her mouth. She gave me a kiss before saying goodbye and sending the next one in.

yes this 13 looks like it is possible in one night, a very long night, but will depents of age, and yes you have to be a male nymfo.i never braught it that far, but got very close. but i thaught now 2-3 times a night is fine, but when you realy fall in love, ore get the good treatment 6 + is still possible and i am on the wrong site of 40. and i cant use viagra,i would kill the girls with it.

Getting older ...

Not to put too fine a point on it: I'm over fourty and it's not any more like when I was twenty. Back then, I didn't have the money so I didn't score very often. Now the money is no problem but the rest is.

There's Viagra of course, but I'm not sure it makes any difference as far as net sexual enjoyment is concerned. Gives you a hard-on so that you can fuck for ages but I wonder whether it doesn't have an adverse effect on ejaculation. Not to mention that sustaining a hard-on for too long one day certainly has a rebound effect the next day.

I sometimes take girls in only to sniff them, give'em head and send them home with a fee without having as much as undressed myself. Twenty years ago, I would've fucked the hell out of them.

And I'm not even talking about condoms!

xxl

Proko,

[i]"But after a good sex session with a woman- pro or girlfriend- I'm thinking about food, sports, money, almost anything but more sex. Is it just me?"[/i]

Just thought I'd share this with you. As one of those working girls who didn't have a "one-cum" rule, probably about 75% (at a guess) of my clients asked if they could come more than once in the hour. In all honesty, I would say at LEAST 80% of those men could NOT go a second time after they had already cum once. Having a guy actually cum more than once in the hour was extremely rare...even in two or three hour bookings, guys often only came once. I would say this applied to the majority of men over the age of 25, and almost EVERY man over the age of 35.

So it's certainly not just you. :)

So, RN, is that only cumming once or only getting it on once? In other words, does that mean the time bell rang while they were still trying to ring the bell the second time, or that it was more something they wanted to do but were simply unable to get it up again?

They were either unable to get it up again or, more often than not, they just decided that they were satisfied with once!

It certainly wasn't that their time ran out. In most cases they would try and cum really quickly at the start...because they wanted to make sure they had time for a second round...but then found they didn't want to do it again (or couldn't get it up again). That meant that a majority of the bookings would end with 20 minutes or so of massage, chatting, showering together or whatever it took to fill up the time. Even when I was working privately, where there was no brothel "time-bell" to go off and I was more than willing to extend to make sure the client was satisfied, they still usually wouldn't go more than once.

There's also the interesting phenomenon of "client guilt" that often strikes as soon as a man cums. A lot of those guys originally planned to cum twice, but instead, they run off after the first time without even showering! lol

RN, your lads' approach is a bit off. Instead of coming quickly the first time, they should have prolonged the first time. That makes #1 more intense which makes #2 MORE likely, especially if there is no rush or PERCEPTION of being rushed.

Now if you run into the situation where you get it up for #2 but the bell rings before you get to #2, JZ, the best thing to do is apologize nicely to the girl, make sure she understands it wasn't her fault, and then call another hooker immediately.

I don't think I've ever come more than twice in the same session with a working girl but coming twice in the same day with two different working girls is often my goal nowadays. A lofty goal, but an honorable one.

DH,

I have to admit...I would usually try to keep the first time going for as long as I could. I'd often use my infamous vice-like thigh grip to slow things down *wink*, or encourage them to take things easy and enjoy themselves rather than rush it. (Not to stop them cumming twice, mind you...more to make them feel completely unhurried, so there was less chance of them leaving feeling angry or unsatisfied. It's all about violence management!)

I get the impression that most guys ask for twice, not because they actually WANT to do it twice...but because they think that's the only way they'll get their money's worth. I've heard many clients talk about girls who try and make the sex as fast as humanly possible...so maybe clients expect to have cum in the first ten seconds, and want to be able to do it again after that. Maybe that's why so many of my clients didn't end up going the second time? Because I made the first time last?

RN,

. First off, I too often planned several pops with a pro (prior to the event) but must confess I have never done more than one. Either time constraints, rules or desire get in the way. But never an erection problem.

"I get the impression that most guys ask for twice, not because they actually WANT to do it twice . . ." No, I think they really would like to do it 2, 3 or 100 times . . . before the event that is. Reality is always a bit different.

"There's also the interesting phenomenon of "client guilt" that often strikes as soon as a man cums. . ."
. This is a very interesting point and a place where men and women seem to differ. Women usually ramp up and ramp down during sex. Longer orgasms and a slow cooling-off period. With me, it's like falling off a cliff. One instant you are on the mountain top and 5 seconds later in the deep valley below. I feel differently, think differently. An amazing change of perspective in seconds! Before coming, nothing could be more important. If a car was about to run us over or some wild animal eat me, I would still finish that 5 seconds more. And a horny man knows no guilt . . . but a moment later it's a different world. Desire comes quicker and leaves a lot faster in the male. You could be screwing your best friend's pregnant wife and all seems great until that fateful moment. And then comes that "What the hell was I thinking?" feeling . . . always after it's too late. Part of natures little plan, I think. But something that not all women seem to understand . . . or appreciate.

As far as your "vice-like grip" is concerned, that usually gets me off a lot faster. Whether with the thighs or other parts of the anatomy . . . Peace, -P

ups, i am a exception, over 40 end still 2-3 pops a hour, with 2 hottys, have to see the ..........

RN, I think you're exactly correct -- there are many workers who do their level best to rush the process along, and five minutes after you're in the room it's "Did you cum yet?" so the query about extra pops is mostly a question about the quality of service you're going to get. Not exclusively, of course -- for many men it's easy to get excited and come quickly the first time, and then last forever the second. Personally, I've only rarely gone multiple pops with providers in an hour time frame in the last decade or so, though it's more an issue as I get older, as that wasn't the case when I was in my twenties. It happens, but it's usually if I'm with someone who's just so hot I cum quickly or if I walk in the door already over-excited, which doesn't happen all that much.

But I must say that in my case it's less an inability to get aroused than it is an inability to get off, period. I know they're safe, and I always, always use them for intercourse, but condoms truly do remove a top level of sensation for me, no matter what kind they are, and I've spent a lot of time experimenting with different kinds. My twenties were pre-AIDS, and condoms simply weren't used as much. Also, I personally hate deadlines of all kinds, decidedly including during sex, and an awareness that the clock is ticking is not usually a good distraction for me, and it's one I resent -- though of course, the equation shifts when it's something like risk of discovery, etc. I've had far too many encounters where someone from outside ends up knocking on the door or ringing the phone or whatever to call time. This is especially true because I'm just not much of a "walk in the door and stick it in" kind of guy -- I like a long sensual experience, I like lots of foreplay and teasing, I like going at it, taking a break and going to it again, which probably explains why I'm someone who tends to want to make a night of it, or at least schedule several hours so I don't feel rushed. (Skinless, that's probably one of the reasons I'm a LT rather that ST guy in LOS.)

DH, I've had ample opportunities for such apologies, believe me, and I've gotten pretty good at them. Sometimes, frankly, my legs, lungs and heart give out before I manage to cum. (And Viagra doesn't help the process along very much, though I've learned to titrate the dose to the right combination of usefulness and sensitivity, which for me falls somewhere between 25 and 50 mgs.) On my last trip to Kenya I was with company for six or eight nights over the few weeks I was there, and realized when I got home I didn't cum once during intercourse. I was with one woman for three days in Thailand this last trip, a truly lovely, sexy lady, and near the end of that period I found her crying in the bathroom -- after a bit of discussion it turned out she was very upset because I'd only cum one time, so I clearly couldn't be very happy with her. I pointed out that we'd probably spent about eight hours in bed over that period actually engaging with each other, with far more time just being there, sleeping, holding, making out, etc., and that if I wasn't happy I'd sure as hell have said so and she wouldn't have been there that long. I explained the whole condom thing and she spent out last stretch of time together working hard on a variety of safe condomless ways to bring me off. Sometimes it just goes that way, but I've got to confess it's been a long time since I worshipped the number of my orgasms in any event. I'm far more likely to worship those of my partners.

FWIW, that's also partly why I have the tendency to court (and, on my last trip, find) additional STD risk by doing unprotected oral -- I can more often get off that way, but if you add a condom into the equation that's far less often the case.

I'm not a client guilt type, though I probably had a bit of that when I was younger (in many cases, not just play-for-pay) when it would be about questioning my judgment. It's simply been a long, long time since I thought I was anything or anyone but who I am...

PART ONE. All the names of the guilty have been changed to protect the innocent.

I am a person with a “Sexual Addiction” in an extreme form. I have been that way since I was about 8 years old, when I had my first sexual experience with a younger cousin. I do not remember very much about it like if I had an erection, but I do remember being on top of her when we were both naked and she said it felt funny. I wish I could remember more details of what went on. I had to wait for another twelve years before I had my first fuck

In the mean time, especially since I was about 12, sex was constantly on my mind and often with my hand. I dreamed about it, thought about it and almost wrote about it, but that didn’t come until much later. I had my first girlfriend at 18 and this lead to some sexual experimentation, but not intercourse. I remember being surprised that the vagina was so far back as I had thought it would be facing more forward. But the smell of that pussy, Sandra’s was wonderful. The first time I had my finger in there, she was very wet and for more than a day I didn’t wash my hands as I kept smelling her pussy. It was like an aphrodisiac to me. She broke off the relationship, as did most of my girlfriends and of course I was broken hearted.

At that stage I was very nieve as I did not think to kiss the breasts or pussy. But once I did, I couldn’t get enough of it. Provided the pussy is clean, I could eat it for hours. I had several bumbling attempts as relationships and sex but they all amounted to nothing. This was during my first two years of attending a tertiary institution. At the one I attended, there was a ratio for six females to every male. I was reasonably good looking, (I don’t think so but I have been told so by many females) but I had such an unusual personality, that most were put off with having a relationship with me. However, I did fall in love with one woman, Linda and she showed interest in me and we spent many hours together, but mostly in a working relationship. She had a boyfriend back home but we became very close, even though I wanted it to be much closer, I took what I could get. But I wanted to have sex. I wanted to experience this phenomena, that I had been think, dreaming and masturbating about for so long. It seemed like I wasn’t going to get anything from this lovely woman.

As I said before, I am an unusual personality. I had a hearing problem, which meant I had to sit nearing the front of the lecture theaters and it also meant that I didn’t enjoy parties. I couldn’t follow conversations with a lot of background noise. I also didn’t enjoy drinking as mostly I didn’t like the taste, or as I found later, I didn’t like the after effects. So in three years of training I attended only three parties. I did attend all the balls as I loved having my arms around my partner in the old fashioned type dancing. With many of the modern dances, you don’t even need a partner so I couldn’t see the point. The only thing I objected to about the balls was that the price of the ticket included all the booze you could drink and I could never drink my share. Perhaps I made up for it with the food. No I wasn’t fat, but in those days I could eat three of four plates full of food, mostly savory and then eat all the pussy I could get. But I wasn’t always successful on the latter. It was after one of these balls, which I went to with the woman I was in love with, but not yet a lover, that I became drunk for the first time. I didn’t enjoy the experience.

I was brought up in another era compared to today. Condoms were only available from chemist and were always behind the counter. Hell, we were too scared to ask for these. The first time I bought them I thought I was going to die. These three years were 1969-71. So I did a mail order for pessaries, which I think were call Rendals. They were supposed to be inserted into the vagina before sex and provided some lubrication and were supposed to kill sperm, not that I knew much about contraception in those days. So I was sort of prepared to plunder some poor pussy. But I could find one or more accurately, I had not skills in finding one.

I did go out with another girls called Lisa, who was a tall slim blonde. She became very fond of me and in fact she fell in love with me. I was never in love with her but I liked her a lot. Linda knew about Lisa and had met her through a common interest and although I still continued the friendship with Linda, she never said anything about Lisa. She did give a few hints, but I was too thick to pick up on them.

I started the relationship with Lisa but I was in love with Linda. The relationship with Lisa developed into a sexual relationship but stopped short of sex. I was feeling guilty as I felt I was being unfaithful to Linda. I broke it off at one stage, but as I had not success with Linda, I went back to Linda. My dick was getting the better of me. We went out quite a bit to movies, balls and so on. Lisa had a car, as I did not at the time so we were able to get around quite a bit at the time. I even took her home to my parents for a weekend. We had separate rooms but of course, I crept into her room that night. I kissed all the way down her back, through her legs, her pussy and up to her breasts. I had read about that technique in a book and I was hoping to have the same success as he did. Although Lisa enjoyed it, she stopped me from entering her, and of course I was disappointed.

At a later date, I had her around to my place as my landlady was away. I prepared a special dinner and afterwards we went into my bedroom where we started into the sexual exploration. I inserted a pessary into her, and I think she wondered what I was doing. I came on the outside of her without having entered her. She was aroused and had enjoyed it but she didn’t have an orgasm, as I wasn’t skilled in giving them at that stage. Of course I had to rest as I had just come. Later I got on top of her and we continued playing around. She told me she was scared, but I said I wasn’t hard and tried to get her to feel that I wasn’t fully hard, but she wouldn’t do so.

Read part two to find out what happened. Send any comment to piper4me@hotmail.com

DH, Proko, Zop et al,

As a 45 year-old, I have followed the discussion with some interest and agree with most of what has been said as well as learning some things too. Personally, I have found a solution to the "cum one time and thats it for the night" problem, and it lies in Tijuana, of all places.
In the bars in TJ, there is usually a dance floor; available girls; $2 beers and shots, and good, danceable Latin music. The lights are often red, the atmosphere hot, the music is loud, and even at high noon, there is a party-like atmosphere.
Typically, a monger arrives, sits, orders a beer, and surveys the scene. The seat are usually beside the dance floor. It costs $1 to dance with a girl. If you make eye contact with a girl, she will approach you. You can buy her one of those ridiculous lady drinks or you can dance with her. DANCE with her!! It doesn't matter if she is only mediocre to look at or if you can dance or not; just by being so close to her body, touching her, smelling her perfume, her hair brushing against your face--you WILL want to do her. The dancing is not in any way raunchy. Everything is in good taste, often hilariously so. The girls are sometimes demure. Watch for the guy who wants to take photos of you and your "true love" or the guy who unfailingly tries to sell you flowers for your "novia," after the song ends and both of you return to the table.
So you take her upstairs or next door, to have your first pop of the night.
A half an hour later, you both return to the bar and separate. Have a couple of beers and guaranteed, pretty soon, you will see someone you find attractive. Ask her for a dance. Within a couple of minutes, due to the proximity of your bodies, brushing up against her, the hot atmosphere etc., you will want to do her. And so it goes.

The scenario that most of the posts contemplate seem to be where you bang the girl and then don't do THE SAME girl again. This is perfectly understandable to me at least. A monger needs variety, constantly. You do her and then what? Lay in bed and discuss with her your stock portfolio, which is declining in tandem with your pecker? Of course not. The bar is calling!! Some beers and lots of laughs with your fellow mongers. Later, on to the dancefloor. Pretty soon you are grinding with someone. Pretty soon after that, you are humping with them!! This is my solution to the afore-mentionted condition.

Condom problems?? Its only a problem if a monger insists on fucking. I too have a problem feeling anything. Especially if I am on a trip and will be having lots and lots of sex, such as my trip to Thailand next week. But why should a monger do all the work? This is where a girl who can do a good blowjob, handjob, or ballsuck, becomes a necessity, nay---a paragon of virtue.

Don

Don, I don't think the issue was cum once and that's it for the night -- it was doing it again quickly after one orgasm, in other words, how long is recovery time. While I would agree with you that switching women is one way to reawaken interest, it's hardly the only way and I'd take the idea that I need to go graze in new pastures after once tasting the grass in order to get it up again as a rather poor comment on my libido. (Not that I object to the concept or the habit, just the idea that it's the only solution to such a problem.) Your dancing description does, however, say a lot -- when you're first with someone you're getting aroused in anticipation of what's to come, and the whole sensual experience -- sound, visuals, smell, touch, etc. For me, those same stimuli work just as well in bed or in the room for a next round as on the dance floor. I just need to concentrate on them instead of simply waiting for something spontaneously to happen based on anticipation of the unknown. And there are other stimuli available -- my partner's revealed body, for example, or intimate touch, which aren't there on the dance floor.

As far as your condom comments -- well, yes, there are obviously other options, some of which fall into the safe sex category, some of which do not. Blowjobs, for example, aren't necessarily safe without a condom -- and I can testify to that from experience, as I've gotten the clap from unprotected oral sex. (And in Thailand, btw, so good wishes and luck to you on that front!) And for me, covered bjs have the same condom sensation drawbacks as any other time. So if the issue is remove the condom for increased sensation and thereby remove protection, well, you've got to make your choices being aware of the risks. I certainly don't object to any of the acts on your list by any stretch of the imagination, but I still like fucking above all else, and that's certainly not a situation where I'm going to go bareback, especially in places like LOS.

PART TWO. Was I going to get it?

I was on top of her naked, being almost hard and we had been in some serious sexual play and she was feeling scared. I knew she was reluctant to have sex with me but I also knew she was in love with me. All I wanted to do was find out what I had been dreaming of for so long.

She was aroused and wet from the pessary and I just pushed inside her. Lisa said that it was hurting and I just asked her to open her legs more. I wasn’t worrying about what she felt. Almost immediately I felt “What was all the fuss about?”. The earth didn’t move, it didn’t feel tremendous or anything like it. I was disappointed. However, I continued until I came, which wasn’t very long like five minutes. I had the sense to pull out and come outside. Immediately I felt guilty. I had been unfaithful to Linda and I had used Linda for my first “Fuck”. I had had sex for the first time and apart from feeling disappointed, I was feeling guilty. Looking back, I should have had Lisa stay all night and we could have done it many times. But the way I was feeling at the time, I couldn’t do that. It wasn’t long after that that I asked her to go home, which wasn’t considerate of her feelings. What was the first thing I did after she left? I phoned Linda and tearfully asked her to forgive me. She was tearful as well because now for the first time she revealed her feeling to me, which she had hinted at before but I had been too thick to read them. She asked me not to “see” Lisa again, and I agreed.

I saw Linda over the next week at college but only socially. We renewed our bond but not in any sexual way. I was hoping to go out with Linda that weekend but she was going home for the weekend. Lisa phoned me that weekend and asked me to come around. I knew I would and I took the pessaries with me. She was alone at her flat and we had a meal together before my dick got the better of me. I took her into the bedroom and made love to her. This time it was much better and she responded more. This time I didn’t pull out and when I came but I continued, perhaps for as much as 30 minutes before I pulled out still hard. I was feeling guilty. Lisa wanted to know what the trouble was but I couldn’t tell her. I didn’t ever tell Linda about this. I made love with Lisa once more but this was after Linda had broken off our relationship.

So my relationship with Linda developed but it was several weeks before it became fully sexual. We had been out one night together and had a great time. We had had a few drinks and I took her home. I was going to put her to bed and go home myself, a bike ride of about 7 miles. I put her to bed in her short and sexy nightie and was started kissing. I was still fully clothed and still had my legs on the floor. Of course I wanted to make love with her but I didn’t want to push her at all. Linda pulled me on top of her and our kissing became more intense. She started to undo my trousers and move them out of the way. I asked her if she was sure and she said she was. So with our sexes bared to each other’s, I slipped inside her and we made love for the first time. It was her first and my third so I wasn’t what you would call highly experienced, but I was a little more experienced than she was. It was just exquisite being inside the person that I was in love with and she was just as much as me and wanted me inside her. I didn’t last very long but I didn’t pull out straight away. We had made no preparations for this encounter and I didn’t even have condoms, let alone with me, so we had taken no precautions.

After this, my plan for going home went out the window. I took off all my clothes and got back in bed with her. During the rest of the night we made love another seven, yes seven (7) times. The funny thing about this was that Linda had just finished her period, a time I later found out was when she was most highly sexed. But she still had a tampon inside her when we made love and I had pushed it out of the way. We had a great deal of difficulty getting it out the next day.

We had a very active sex life with Linda often instigating our encounters. She was a very sexual animal but in some ways she was prudish. When new very both fully clothed and I was on top of her and “eating” her ears, she would have an orgasm. When I ate her pussy she would come and became very highly aroused if I kissed her breasts. However, she said she didn’t like me eating her, which I couldn’t understand and she would come so often, and she wouldn’t give me a blowjob. Other than that, she was a fantastic lover.

I did keep in contact with Lisa, as I was concerned for her. I expressed my remorse to her and almost every time I saw her and she was alone, she tried to get me to make love to her. I would have liked to but I was too in love with Linda to do anything. Looking back, (always easy in hindsight) I could have had two lovers. That is what I would do now, but only if I was not in love with one of them because I am a rather faithful fellow.

A few months later, Linda told me that she wanted to do voluntary work overseas the next year, and I knew right then that this would be the end of our relationship. However, I encouraged her in this endeavor and it wasn’t until about 9 months later when I received a letter from her. I knew what was inside it as soon as I received it and it took me about a week before I opened it. Yes it was a “Dear John” letter.

In the mean time I went out with other girls and I kept seeing Lisa but I didn’t have sex with her even though we slept together on a few occasions in a single bed. However, it was through Lisa that I met my next partner, Amanda. Amanda was an unusual looking lady, but a great body and we had lot of fun together. We indulged in sexual play many times but never consummated our relationship as I let her take the lead. It was on one of these occasions when she took the lead and pulled me on top of her and we made love. Again I felt very guilty afterwards and had to take a break. I think she understood how I felt but when we went back to bed, we made love again, this time and for the only time with her on top. Amanda found she could only cum if she was on the bottom so we only made love in the missionary position. What our sex life lack in variety, it made up for in intensity. We never used any form of contraception except Amanda’s own. She must have known at what time she was more likely to conceive and I was not allowed near her under these circumstances. Even if I used a condom, pessaries and I withdrew before I came I was not allowed anything. This was very frustrating for me. We did try a condom on one occasion and she didn’t like it so we never used them again. I was mostly happy as I hated them, except when I was not allowed anything. Often when we had made love, I would remain inside her for up to half an hour and we would often make love again.

Amanda is my longest running lover and we had sex off and on from 1971 until 1993. I am still in contact with her and although she is married, we have made love since she was married and there is a slight possibility we could do so again. She only lives about five minutes away from me, but I haven’t seen her for several years.

The next lady, Jenny I married. She was my forth virgin and before we were married, she couldn’t get enough of it. But after we married, she lost interest and in the two and a half years we were married, we had sex about a dozen times, when I would have wanted it that many times a week. However, I was faithful to her.

I think that when you are going for your first pop, you can dictate your timing up to a certain point. In a few words you are generally so aroused that as much effort you will put to last longer you are still very likely to last less than what you wanted to.

I can reflect in many of the things posted here: from client sense of guilt to the irrational behaviour driven by sexual excitement.

I personally had more than one pop with pros, but it was under special circumstances, I guess: we either developed immediately some sort of emotional bonding, that went beyond the "business" relationship, and we did not have stringent time limits.
In a nutshell: I liked the girl and she genuinely liked me. In all cases it was absolutely essential managing to establish some sort of mind connection: talking and discussing about things.

The way I see it is that the first time you make love with a body and the second with a person.

I always thought, but never did, whether it was worth jerking off just before meeting with a pro so you would buy more time for your money. Then I think that quality wins over quantity, so for me it is better to make sex in those 15 minutes as if there was no tomorrow rather than lasting 10 minutes more but being bored as if you were practicing at the gym.

Attn: RN

Can you give me your personal email for some questions I had about another topic. Please send it to philmac@email.com. Thanks.

"Sexual Addiction" . . .

Despite all this discussion about how many times we can get-off in a single night, my point remains:
-After coming once or twice with a pro or a girlfriend or wife, why do many feel the need to chase 2 or 3 other women/pros afterward?
Physical need? I doubt it. It is a psychological addiction, is it not? A numbers game? I'm not saying that this is right or wrong. I'm just surprised at guys in their 40's and 50's needing/wanting to spend more time and pay more money chasing tail after just getting laid once or twice.

-And as to guilt after the act, I'd only feel guilt if I'm doing something to feel guilty about . . . like screwing a friends wife or wasting the families grocery money on a hooker. Guilt about sex in general, no way. I'm way past that and expect that most of the guys here are as well. But a complete change of mind set for me is very common. Like going from 100mph to zero in 3 squirts. Suddenly I'm more contemplative, almost slightly depressed after coming down from the mountain top. And the need or desire for more sex is gone. I don't care how cheap or cute the next woman is. I'm satisfied for the time being and will worry about her tomorrow. Peace, -P

part three. working girls.

i discovered the pleasure in massage and sauna as in the town i lived in, there was a great sauna and massage. the only extras that were available was a hand job and i once had that from a beautiful supposedly 15 year old native girl. she was naked and allowed me to play with her pussy while she tended to me but unfortunately nothing else took place. this was late in 1975. i had my first working girl not in my own country but in singapore where i spend 24 hour on my trip overseas. i was with my father and he didn’t want to go out in the evening but as i was there for only a short time, i didn’t want to waste it. i went out in a trishaw and my driver was half my weight and about twice my age. he gave me a great tour but kept asking me if i wanted a “nice chinese/malay girl”. i kept turning him down but eventually accepted and he took me to some place out of the way. i was shown three girls until i accepted one who was reasonable. but having seen all the stunningly beautiful asian women on the streets the previous day, i was disappointed by all three i had been shown. they were not natives but imports.

i think the cost was $30.00 singapore dollars for a short time, (undisclosed how long that was) and i would have preferred a long time, but i didn’t have enough cash on me. we undressed and i asked for a condom. she said she was clean and it was not needed. anyway, this was in the days of before hiv and bacteria resistant to antibiotics so i went to the bed with her. she directed my hand to her pussy, which i though was to pay with it but she only wanted to show me that she was wet. all she wanted was me to mount, fuck and finish, which i did. she started groaning and i thought i was hurting her, but she was just pretending she was enjoying it. it was a sexual experience but nothing memorable like most i have had since. but this small experience started me on a never ending quest for better ones.

i spend 4 months in india and was celibate there even though i was offered “beautiful indian girls” in bombay, (renamed something else now) unfortunately i never partook of those offers.

it was in england where i caught my first and only std. i caught nsu off amanda, who came to england and stayed with me. she went away for a few months and came back again and stayed with me in the same room, but she was on the top bunk and i on the bottom. i wanted another sexual relationship with her but she wouldn’t let me. we came very close one night and i should have just taken her, but i left it up to her and she never took the lead.

so i had relationships with other girls. the best was with cecilia, a plump portuguese woman. she had had only one sexual encounter before me. the first time we made love we did so for over two hours, and i didn’t come in that time. part of the reason was that i was wearing a condom. one time when i went to her place where she worked as an au pair for a french family, she pulled me onto the couch and raped me. of course i was more than willing but as i didn’t have any condoms with me, we didn’t use any. on new years eve 1977, we had a very intense session on the floor at a friend place before going to trafalgar square. it was here that she became pregnant. she didn’t want to have it so i supported her decision and paid for an abortion. this caused us to drift apart and she went back to oporto.

my second paid woman was a lady called lynette. she worked at a “modeling” studio in soho. i think it was £20 to photographs the model. i had looked into this before and they gave you a shitty old camera, so i took my olympus outfit. anyway i took some good photos of her and she then offered extra at £20. as she was attractive, 25 with a good figure but i could tell that she had had children, i decided to accept. but i wasn’t able to take my clothes off, just drop my trouser. she allowed everything but she didn’t do oral and everything was bb. i even managed to make her cum and photograph her with it leaking out of her afterwards. i saw her three times and it was better each time.

so began my quest for better pussy. i had discovered from linda, that sex with love is the best ever and there is nothing to match it. however there is all that stuff that goes with it. communication, thoughtfulness (have you even forgotten an important anniversary or birthday) and all those things that make a relationship work. some, like my parents are very good at those things but i am not. my parents have been married for over 60 years and are still very much in love. i lacked the skills that made a relationship work. often when my partner was angry with me for some reason, often minor, sex was not available. it was almost like the “rewards” of sex was only there if you pleased her. looking at it another way, she only “loved” you if you were a good boy. this i couldn’t understand. i wanted sex at least 7 times a week and often more but this rarely happened. yes at the beginning of a relationship, sex is usually more frequent and intense but this can drop off. i would often mistake a sign of affection as a come on. with my wife of 14 years, who has not been mentioned here, when she came to give me a cuddle, i would get aroused and want to make love, but that usually did not happen. we had two children and i was a good father but too highly sexed. only in the beginning of our relationship could she keep up with me.

she also became more conservative in our sex life. we used to make love all over the house and outside as well, but later she would only have it in bed at night. she was multi-orgasmic and often had up two twenty orgasms in one session. apart from one occasion when we both had brief passionate affairs at the same time, i was faithful, which often meant that i was sexually frustrated. when we had trial separations on a couple of occasions before we finally separated, and in those times i was not faithful. i used paid services as i did not know and still do not know how to pick up women. why did we finally separate? well our whole marriage had really been a lie. she was in love with someone else for a whole marriage and towards the end she went and saw him several times. you can guess what happened then. i felt devastated but that also aroused me. perhaps i would have liked to join them in bed. so ended that relationship. she has remarried but not to him as he was killed in an accident not long after we separated.

so began my earnest quest in the “ultimate” sexual encounter, mostly with paid women. as i have previously stated, sex with love is unbeatable, but some of these paid encounters have come really close. perhaps the most erotic was when a beautiful 38 year old mother guided me into her 17 year old daughter. (here in the new zealand the age of consent is 16.) the mother was a far better lay. it happened on the day challenger exploded.

in my sexual quest over the years, i have had encounter with approximately 400 women, with about 50% of those being without a condom. that is by no means a record nor do i intend it to be. many of these have been a once only encounter because they ware not worth another visit. with about two dozen of the paid ladies, i have had repeat visits because we got on together sexually very well. part of the attraction usually was because it was bb, but it had to be more than that. with a few of these i have had a relationship. some of these bb encounters have been unintentional on the girl’s part, although i never deliberately removed or broke a condom. when i didn’t have a regular, i would often see up to 3 different girls in a week. so it has turned out to be a fairly expensive hobby.

on the health risk side, i have only ever caught one thing of a girl friend and that was nsu. there is another i “caught” but it hasn’t been diagnosed. i caught it of a “high end” streetwalker who took me to her very smart apartment. her pussy did taste a little different but a week or so later, i developed a scum on my usually pink tongue. i tried treating it, first through the chemists, then the doctor, but nothing was effective. this scum caused my teeth to fall apart so i have had false teeth for a while. i was even sent to the infectious disease clinic at the hospital but there was nothing that they could do either. i have had regular checkup and never had anything else and where possible, i will go bb. perhaps my luck will run out some day, but you have to die some day.

if i had the time (and money) i could easily have two different women a day, with of course the help of the big v. i often do not cum not, mainly because i don’t want to. so when i have an hour session with a lady, i make love to her for most of that time. i do not treat them as just something to masturbate in, as i can do that on my own. i treat them as a lady. i like to make them come as well, the more the better. there are two ladies who spring to mind that had at last one orgasm every time we made love and many others that came close.

to my mind, i find that ladies older that 30 make the best lovers. most of the younger ones do not have the experience or the skills to make these brief encounters memorable. there have been exceptions but they are rare. who was my best? it had to be anna, the 38 year old lady who put me inside her daughter. unfortunately, i was only able to see her once. she was a professional who enjoyed her work. and so did her customers! almost all of the others who i would classify in the top group were at , near or above 30.

so since the age of about 8, i had been abscessed with sex. (i intended to use that word although it may sound wrong, it conveys {to me} what i am trying to say.) my condition, which i think is fairly rare, is satarysis. you may need a larger dictionary to look up that word. i had to go to the library. i have probably spent over us$200,000.00 on this quest. has it brought me happiness? no! i just want more and more and .

is there anyone else out there like me. contact me on piper4me@hotmail.com

Kissmeallover:

Interesting reports. I don't know that wanting/expecting to have sex once a day is at all an indication of satyriasis (the correct spelling) and if I'm reading you correctly, your estimate of the amount you've spent works out to about $8000 a year over 25 years or so, which, while a lot, is not ridiculously more than others would spend. (People who pursue porn stars and higher-tier escorts can spend tons more -- I know one guy who spends more than $35k a year, but he can easily afford it.) Depends on your income, I guess, and your tastes. And your 400 women -- even cutting out your marriage -- works out to two or three a month over that same period. Again, that's hardly a record pace, particularly if you're looking at working women with whom you mostly don't maintain a relationship -- guys running to Thailand, Brazil or elsewhere can easily tote up a woman a day, and many do. (Skinless has announced he's shooting, ahem, for four a day on his current trip.) Simply being highly sexed isn't an indication of satyriasis, and that also involves characteristics you don't seem to have -- such as the obsession with [i]seducing[/i] women and thereby conquering them, which isn't generally an issue in the pay-for-play scene as no sediuction is necessary. There are a number of guys on this board who have the same general numbers as you do, or even far greater, and I rather doubt they're all afflicted with satyrism. Classically, btw, satyriasis also involved the inability to climax at all, though that mostly has dropped out of the definition as the term has simply come to be the male equivalent of nymphomania or sexual addiction.

If you think you've got a problem then you probably do, but if I were you I'd not be using the library as opposed to a qualified professional, especially given that the real treatment for satyriasis usually involves a combination of drug and psychiatric therapy. Sounds to me less like you've got satyriasis and more like you've never learned how to properly form and manage relationships, despite your marriage, especially given your lack of understanding about why someone might not want to have sex with you if they were angry with you (hello -- mood only matters for you?) and your admitted lack of communication and thoughtfulness (again, gee, none of that and you still couldn't understand why she didn't want to screw as much as you.) People are also just wired differently in terms of sexuality -- it might be that your issue is simply hooking up with partners whose libido is too different from yours.

Your use of the word "abscessed" conveys a lot about how you feel about your situation, which isn't all that surprising given that you note several times the difference between sexual encounters when there are genuine feelings involved. I'll end my little quasi-amateur psychological-textual analysis with this -- you write as though you are in a depression (I note this as someone with a tendency toward depression) and if I were you I'd seek counseling to help you get a handle on things. None of the things you've described in your missives seem massively out of kilter, so it's more your attitudes and perceptions about them that matter than anything else, and since you're not happy with them, it would make sense to talk to someone.

Yes, if this dude wants to be a satyr, he needs to get WAY more pussy than what he's talking about. Boring.

And KissME,

You also need an editor . . . too many words

[b]Kissmeallover[/b] -


thank you for your honesty and openness.

I was curious if the medical people ever diagnosed the "scum" infection was, even if they weren't able to stop it?

Other than that, i think that you will find that there alot of people here that have similar experiences.

I personally get a charge out of fucking as many women as I possibly can. In part I suppose these are "conquest" issues. However, as often as I have paid for women, many, many more have been unpaid relationships. I would have to guess that I have had sex with about 400 women since I was 13. I am guessing - it has been at least 6 years since I tried to count them all. 21 years of having sex in total.

I find bringing a woman to orgasm very erotic and exciting. I have brought many a jaded prostitute to an eyeopening orgasm that they were neither expecting nor faking.

In part I suppose that I have in some way confused sex with love. On the otherhand, both of them produce specific chemical states of the brain. Romantic love is a chemical condition produced by condition and environment. If it was actually related to destiny or 'soul mates' or what have you, humans would mate for life.

However, in my opinion, it is against our nature to be faithful. I believe that in most cases, it could be argued that Romantic Love is a mental state which evolved in order to allow child rearing to occur.

Note that I make distinctions between Romantic Love (ie girlfriends/wives) and the love of your progeny. This too, I am sure is an evolved condition that protects the next generation of procreators.

I know that I am going to be slammed here for saying all this.

I believe that humans are animals that evolved to reproduce themselves, nothing else.

Let's take a pretend journey to 200 million years ago, and look at 2 sets of proto-humans.

Group one hunts and gathers, and once a month have sex with their mates, they also have a special gene called "faithfulness", which is passed on to offspring through either parent.

The second group also hunts and gathers, however they have a special gene, the "horniness" gene. This particular gene encourages the group to mate constantly with whoever they can.

Now imagine that this fictional gene is dominant, and is passed through either the mother or the father.

Now fast forward to the present day. Which of the two groups do you guess would be the majority here on planet earth?

Sex is pleasurable because the creatures from which we evolved found sex was pleasurable, and did it more often. They passed their "enjoyment" gene to their offspring, etc etc.

There is nothing wrong with enjoying sex. There is nothing wrong with pursuing more than one woman for sexual purposes. That is our instinct. Social conventions have artificially imposed limits on the sexual activities of its members.

Why is this? Well, in part because of STDs. In part because of the large numbers of children created by this. However, in our modern society many of these constraints have been lifted due to tecnological changes (modern medicine, for instance, which has cured diseases such as syphyllis, which was estimated to have infected up to 30% of all European men less than 200 years ago).

However, evolution is not perfect, nor is it a moral process. Viruses and diseases have evolved to take advantage of our procilivities. However, humans are happier when they do what comes naturally.

I am not referring to morals, ethics or social norms. Humans have evolved to fuck. Just take that into account when you try to judge your activities.

I live in Mexico, and the "paid" girls I fuck from time to time get indignant when I choose someone else. This makes me laugh. I usually shut them up by asking how many men they've fucked that night.

"I believe that humans are animals that evolved to reproduce themselves, nothing else."

Actually, dolphins apart from humans are the only ones who have sex for enjoyment, not just reproduction.

Something I have been wondering about myself as my view on sex has been so warped. I lost my virginity when I was 13 to a prostitute who was 18 while on vacation in Europe with my parents. I was nervous as hell and also sexually frustrated in America where I had to wait another 4 and a half years before a girlfriend gave in to my sexual advances.

All in all, I went through a period of about 11 years of only having a couple of serious girlfriends but did do some mongering on the side more than anything else for an ego boost. Now that I have a fiancee since last year, I have been screwing around like crazy, especially since I discovered girls who are less pro and offer GFE. I justify it that I will be faithful once I am married but my view on sex is that I can love her, take my precautions and be extremeley careful not to hurt her- emotionally or physically. Is this a fallacy or have others been successful at cheating on their girlfriends/wives for years and not think anything of it?

Maybe I just have a guilty conscience but as others said before, sex with new girls gives us a charge like no other. It is a window of fantasy in which it feels like anything is possible. Plus, after mongering experiences of late, I find I am more relaxed and confident around women and even get hit on now that I am not even showing interest in picking them up. I have even learned some new tricks in bed but have been careful in trying these out as maybe she will get suspicious. Still avoid the American girls more for lack of passion and head games but makes me wonder if I am on the edge of sexual addiction and about to cross over into the land of no return or if others have successfully stopped cold turkey.

I don't think you should get married until you no longer have the desire to do tons of other girls. Just my opinion as a divorced guy who mongered before and after marriage but not during, but never has felt as if he were on the edge of sexual addiction.

Hysterical,

How do you know if it is an addiction?

1) When chasing outside pussy seriously disrupts your marriage, relationship or your work environment and job.

2) When you are spending a significant % of you income on hookers and it impacts your lifestyle or worse, that of your family.

3) When chasing tail becomes just a numbers game and you are thinking about your next hooker while you are screwing one.

I've talked with lots of guys over the years and everyone thinks about sex . . . all the time. But not that many married men actually do something about it . . . at least not on the scale most of us on this Forum do. By most definitions, almost ALL of the posters at WSG are sex addicts. Spending up to $30,000/ year or more on hookers? Having had sex with not 100's, but 1,000's of women? Spending a huge amount of time and energy searching for, finding, paying and screwing pussy and then spending more time writing about it on the Internet? I think we are all guilty to varying degrees. I can understand a guy who has only had sex with 5 to 10 women in his life wanting to experience more . . . and there are plenty of married guys in that boat. But after 100 or 500 or 1,000 different women, do you honestly think the next one is going to be significantly different? And if you know her only for an hour or less, what can you learn, except for quickly checking out her anatomy? And often it's not even a pleasant experience . . .

But I always claim that a wife/girlfriend and a mistress/hooker are completely different ideas and it doesn't have to be one or the other. However when the second one interferes with the first one, you have a serious problem. You can get away with the occasional massage parlor or strip club or business trip escort and she won't find out and you will both be happier. But if you are newly married and find yourself spending big bucks and constantly chasing tail, you shouldn't have married in the first place. If other women stop you from giving the time, affection, sex and understanding to your own wife, then it's a problem and you need to slow down. When I meet a woman and decide to live with her, I am so busy screwing her for the first several years that I have neither the desire nor energy to think about other women . . . and I don't.

But asking this Forum about sexual addiction is like going to a crack house and asking if anyone thinks they have a drug problem . . . Good Luck, -P

Thanks for the input. I especially liked the analogy about
about the drug addiction and the crack house. However, I have been posting and reading more here as a support group- whether it be tipping each other off about scams or better negotiating tactics or higher quality tang as we are becoming more educated consumers. I guess in the end it is nice to know there is an outlet for a high sex drive for people like myselves although I am slowing down and not a sex crazed teenager anymore who can screw 4x in a row the same night even with jetlag. Also that the bonking is more a short term relationship and GFEs do exist is nice to know. F·%/( just to F·%·% is not the idea or what excites me.

For now, I am not overboard like others in terms of reaching in the five digits on hobbying. And I do prefer quality over quantity although I may still try to shoot for marathon sessions of loads shot per night/weekend with the same girl. And if I may be hooked a little, I am still pretty particular about hygiene and who I go after. Lastly, the only times I am boinking a girl and thinking of another is when I feel I may have made that wrong choice in the club which has happened a couple of times. Still, you make the best of it and keep moving on.

Right now, just trying to pursue a hobby maybe 3-5 times a year on trips and keep a low profile, ie. pay in cash and no credit card trial for example. I have no intentions of leaving my girl whatsoever and as long as I am careful and eventually slow down, my 2 lives may never cross.

Happy cunting to all and be careful to not get sucked into it too deep. Keep your head and heart about you.

Hystero, care to talk about your first time? Was it your dad's idea? I've always been curious to hear about dads taking their sons to lose it .

[quote]originally posted by hysteromania
[i]actually, dolphins apart from humans are the only ones who have sex for enjoyment, not just reproduction.[/i]
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actually you are wrong about that. it has been well documented by primate researchers that male chimpanzees will [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] females.

also, have you ever owned a dog? why do you think that they are humping legs?

i am not going to go far as to say that goldfish, amoebas and sea slugs enjoy sex, but there has to be some sort of mechanism that tells the creature in question "this is good" or else why would it reproduce?

just my opinion.

diablo

i don't know how chimps [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] or dogs being horny says anything about having sex for enjoyment. being driven by a sex drive isn't the same thing as sex purely for pleasure, and the fact that there [i]is[/i] enjoyment or good feelings while having sex also doesn't mean that's the motivation for having it as opposed to a biological imperative.

although, while we're anthropomorphizing, i know plenty of humans for whom it's [i]very[/i] clear that having sex is not about pleasure :d

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dick Johnson
[i]Hystero, care to talk about your first time? Was it your dad's idea? I've always been curious to hear about dads taking their sons to lose it . [/i][/QUOTE]

Nope, dad had nothing to do with it. Since I was inundated with American teenage movies and directed media that seemed to make having sex mandatory before graduation or you will die or something like that. Will admit, I was drunk and foolish then and think it may have warped my mind since then as I do not think paying for sex is bad, especially if you know what you are getting and do not have the head games that follow afterwards.

Joe,

"Being driven by a sex drive isn't the same as sex for pleasure"

No? I bet it is. The sex drive is controled by feeling good/receiving pleasure. I doubt that there is any difference. Humans are just animals who can talk a little better . . . and only just a little.

If that's the case how do you explain lower forms? How do you explain cycles of going in heat for animals and the lack of sex when they're not in heat? There's no pleasure in it for bacteria, plants, etc., and yet they still procreate. People (or anything else) are driven by things that don't necessarily have anything to do with a pure pleasure impulse. Eating, for example. Fear of death, for another.

And I'm certainly not saying at all that animals aren't also driven by pleasure or that there isn't pleasure in it -- the cat on my lap is not driven there by love or hunger; it likes the way it feels when I scratch it.

No disagreement at all on the talking side of things, though!

[QUOTE]Originally posted by joe_zop
[i]If that's the case how do you explain lower forms? How do you explain cycles of going in heat for animals and the lack of sex when they're not in heat? There's no pleasure in it for bacteria, plants, etc., and yet they still procreate...

And I'm certainly not saying at all that animals aren't also driven by pleasure or that there isn't pleasure in it -- the cat on my lap is not driven there by love or hunger; it likes the way it feels when I scratch it.[/i][/QUOTE]

I would say that comparing the sex life of a plant and the sex life of a mammal pretty much "apples and oranges". Plants don't have a central nervous system, so I don't think that "pleasure response" is applicable.

Here is a couple of links I found about the Bonobo, also known as the Pygmy chimpanzee: [url]http://www.allaboutsex.org/bonobos_pleasureequalspeace.html[/url]

and: [url]http://www.snopes.com/critters/wild/pleasure.htm[/url]

Anyhow, in the second link the article actually goes at length to qualify the idea that only humans, dolphins and bonobos are having sex for pleasure.

My whole point, is that if you placed two colonies of proto-humans on two separate landmasses, and had one group who did not have sex for pleasure, and the other who did (assuming no scientific birth control methods), I guarantee you that the area with the "pleasure" population would outnumber the other in hundred years by an order of magnitude, assuming there were sufficient resources (food, shelter, water) to support a large population.

fair enough, i'll add bonobos to the list, but i still don't see what chimps [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord125][CodeWord125][/url] or dogs humping has to do with the examples of bonobos, humans, and dolphins having sex for pleasure, and there's still a pretty fairly documented difference between a sex drive and a pure pleasure drive. your second link, in fact, expounds a bit on that whole issue, talking about how most animals can't afford to "waste" the energy needed for procreation, etc.

my point in citing lower forms, plants, insects, etc. was not to say that they're exactly the same, as of course they're not, but to respond to prokofiev's doubt that there was a difference between a sex drive and sex for pleasure, which is precisely why i chose examples without pleasure centers. the instinctual drive to procreate is clearly still there, as also is the case in higher forms, humans included. so yes, apples and oranges, but intentionally, to bring the point out starkly.

i don't disagree with your premise, i simply don't get what the examples you listed had to do with it. i pretty much agree with your contention about colony versus colony, though i do wonder in that case why there are still so many dutiful puritans around :d

On ny last trip to latin america I fucked every night. When I go back though, I'm gonna fuck less as I would enjoy it more.

One question that comes up to me is the concept of withdrawal. I am new to the scene somewhat and just returned from Costa Rica. What I think is most interesting to me about the behavior is that once in the scene, the ability to partake is easy and the body builds up a temporary need. Perhaps this is due to heightened endorphin levels in the body for a period.

Once removed from the easy access (now for me this meant returning back from CR), the body has some reactions similar to withdrawal from any drug. When I flew back into Miami, I actually had physical and psychological withdrawal. I wanted to listen to latin love songs and my insides were aching. This wasn't related to missing a particular SW in CR, but rather to knowing that the scene is no longer available. [Yeah, there are other options here in US, but the point is going from a very open sex scene to a more closed/expensive one tell the body that all the easy access to pleasure you had are now gone, if only temporarily].

All this leads me to believe that sex is an addition just like any other drug. If not controlled, it can dick-tate (pun intented) your life. Being knew to this scene, I know I need to be careful, since I could easily lose the urge to work and be preoccupied. I hope I can contain it to a few vacations a year.

Curious if others agree with this viewpoint. One other thing I'll mention is the first time I used a SW was in an AMP. It was done out of anger to my current GF at the time after a bad fight. I really loved the first time but not sure if it was as much getting back at my GF (although I never told her) or just that I had a strong desire to do this all along. I just wonder if my current views were determined by that first incident and doing it for reasons other than a particular urge at the time that set my mindset now.

SGT,

I had a similar experience during and after returning from my first SJ monger trip. I told myself that I was only going to indulge once that trip. No way. And upon returning, I found myself looking at the massage ads in the local freebie (though my big head recognized the reality that they cannot live up to CR girls and kept me from persuing this avenue. I think the thrill and novelty of each experience make it addicting.

Hey Carrib,

What you say is certainly true, but I think it goes beyond this. I believe there is some temporary body chemistry that changes for a while in the scene that forces a dependency. I remember not sleeping more than a few hours in total the last three days I was there. Just could not stop watching the scene happening around me: the girls working the guys with both hard and soft sells, the quick action of sizing up each for a possible transaction, and of course the consummation of the acts themselves. It just wouldn't let my body rest for a while.

I know that it is also a temporary thing since although I'm always on the prowl at some level, but I don't at all feel the same as I did when I first came back and can focus on other things (which was impossible in CR). Perhaps I just have the proclivity to addicitive behavior. I've only ever smoked weed and had a few drinks, so I'm glad I stayed away from possibly more additive type stuff, since I think I would really love it.

SGT

Seeks Good Time,

I too sleep little when in CR. Thrill of the hunt, and all the possibilities keep the mind and body going. Lets just face it, the sexual drive is strong, and when access is easy, hell, no time to waste, no?!!

RN!!!!!!!!!!!! How are you?

Just saw some of your old post, on this, one of my favorite special interests areas.

In any even, I not long returned from South America and am bursting with tales to tell both IN and OUT of school, as it were!

I am looking foward to resuming where we left off. I've learned a few things (even at my RIPE age) about the "biz!" and would love your insight!

P.S. WOW how time flies. It looks like I've been gone for 8 months or so. I can't believe it.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by SeeksGoodTime
[i]One question that comes up to me is the concept of withdrawal. ... When I flew back into Miami, I actually had physical and psychological withdrawal. I wanted to listen to latin love songs and my insides were aching. This wasn't related to missing a particular SW in CR, but rather to knowing that the scene is no longer available. [Yeah, there are other options here in US, but the point is going from a very open sex scene to a more closed/expensive one tell the body that all the easy access to pleasure you had are now gone, if only temporarily].
[/i][/QUOTE]

Well all I can say to you, SeekingGoodTime is welcome to the Club. You've go the bug and you've got it bad.

It's all sort of like the blues. Once you get it, you got it ... The trick is to understand it. And while it may not "bust" you from the habit, it may help you a lot if all starts making sense.

One of the first things that helps be get readjusted is to realize that it's not just the sex. Nor is it a simple of matter of the "sex scene." It's really a matter of general ambience of the place. The relaxed, laid back atmosphere enables you to put all your troubles in perspective and FINALLY enjoy life as it was meant to be.

You see, down in CR you were not only having all the sex you needed, but probably more than you ever felt you deserved. That's heady stuff to be sure. But there is more to it than that, isn't there. It's really a matter also of not being made to feel as though something is wrong with you -- a classically North American malaise which, as it abates enables us all to achieve a surprising level of unparralleled self actualization.

WindStar,

You make an interesting point about "deserving" it. I think that is very true. It seems more women in the US are on this paced level of sexual involvment that is geared more to exerting control. This leads to that feeling of earning sex just like currency instead of a more natural response to our evolutional programming. Of course some women are more in touch with their sexuality, but we're talking in general.

I guess these are just the result of a culture still uptight. Even in the SW trade in this country it seems you have either totally high-end money makers or those that have no respect for themselves. With things being more out in the open in some of the bigger sex markets, the women can still be more of themselves and perhaps that makes it that more liberating and enjoyable for men. Whatever it is, I like it!

hey guys,
what is the border line between healty sexual desire and sexual addition?

I just read this classic from another poster and thought I would post it to get this section rolling again:

"I will say when I first started I must have driven by 25 SWers before I picked one up. The first one I picked up was on the north side near a cheap motel on ------ [edited to preserve poster's privacy; DH] She was a beautiful, well build black lady. She smelled like an empty liquor bottle. I chickened out and she got out of the car after the price that was quoted to me was "how much you got?"

Finally a few years later I got my nerve up again. I read up on how to do it. I started out with dancers at strip clubs. My hit ratio was about one in twenty. I got better at it and it was one in five. Eventually they were just coming up and offering. Its like they knew I was ok and looking.

But they are all pretty much $100 minimum.

Now I was ready to hit the streets and had more confidence. Somedays it was like a kid in candy store. Other times it was like fishing without a worm. But like the rest of you guys, I got better at it. The women began to add up. Five, then ten, then 50 and I lost count. My confidence in my personal life got better to and I was scorning with the regular ladies. Pretty soon the regular ladies got on my nerves because they all seem to want a relationship. I enjoyed the hunt as much as the sex so its back to the streets. White, black, asian, Hispanic, American Indian - just about every kind of women except Arabic or asian-indian. 18 year olds to 53 year olds. Often twice a day. Thousands and thousands of dollars spent. Drug addicts, amatures, drunk girls too loaded to care, hitchhikers, and even financial down and outers in trouble with the courts.

That got boring so I decided to look at new angles. I went to sex addition clinics but became facinated by the eating disorder clinics. Often anorexics will use sex for an outlet for attention. Plus I like them thin. A match made in heaven.

Much of my life has been wasted, not to mention a few hundred thousand dollars. Was it worth it? You damn right!!"

Is it addiction if you:

1. spend several hours a week on the internet looking at porn sites?

2. Jack off a few despite having a staedy nooky available?

3. look for pussy while out of town on business?

4. look for pussy while out of town without business?

5. make trips abroad to sample pussy from each continent?

1. Yes
2. Yes unless she is ugly, fat, does not give head, or is a starfish.
3. No, unless the trips out of town are less than 10 miles.
4. No, but see #3 above.
5. No

Hope that helps.

Dr. Ruth Dickhead

Hey I quit drugs and drinking, can't I have one little addiction left????

Dickhead that brought a tear to my eye. =)

"I just read this classic from another poster and thought I would post it to get this section rolling again:

"I will say when I first started I must have driven by 25 SWers before I picked one up. The first one I picked up was on the north side near a cheap motel on ------ [edited to preserve poster's privacy; DH] She was a beautiful, well build black lady. She smelled like an empty liquor bottle. I chickened out and she got out of the car after the price that was quoted to me was "how much you got?"

Finally a few years later I got my nerve up again. I read up on how to do it. I started out with dancers at strip clubs. My hit ratio was about one in twenty. I got better at it and it was one in five. Eventually they were just coming up and offering. Its like they knew I was ok and looking.

But they are all pretty much $100 minimum.

Now I was ready to hit the streets and had more confidence. Somedays it was like a kid in candy store. Other times it was like fishing without a worm. But like the rest of you guys, I got better at it. The women began to add up. Five, then ten, then 50 and I lost count. My confidence in my personal life got better to and I was scorning with the regular ladies. Pretty soon the regular ladies got on my nerves because they all seem to want a relationship. I enjoyed the hunt as much as the sex so its back to the streets. White, black, asian, Hispanic, American Indian - just about every kind of women except Arabic or asian-indian. 18 year olds to 53 year olds. Often twice a day. Thousands and thousands of dollars spent. Drug addicts, amatures, drunk girls too loaded to care, hitchhikers, and even financial down and outers in trouble with the courts.

That got boring so I decided to look at new angles. I went to sex addition clinics but became facinated by the eating disorder clinics. Often anorexics will use sex for an outlet for attention. Plus I like them thin. A match made in heaven.

Much of my life has been wasted, not to mention a few hundred thousand dollars. Was it worth it? You damn right!!"

Zero posted:

"hey guys, what is the border line between healty sexual desire and sexual addition?"

[I think he means "addiction"; sexual addition I think is similar to polygamy??]

To indirectly answer your question, I offer my definition of an alcoholic: Anybody who drinks more than I do.

ThePerson, the poster you quoted has some great posts. It makes for some great reading. It looks like he is followed by a few folks here!

What's up with marriage and sex anyhow?

Once you marry them, they now think that sex should be planned and be put on the schedule like their periods or something!

I just happen to think that it should be the exact opposite: Any place, any time, any how and like NOW!

Found this on a website. I answered yes to almost everyone. Oh no, quess I'm hooked on the nook.

Test Yourself

Have you ever thought you needed help for your sexual thinking or behavior?

That you'd be better off if you didn't keep "giving in"?

That sex or stimuli are controlling you?

Have you ever tried to stop or limit doing what you felt was wrong in your sexual behavior?

Do you resort to sex to escape, relieve anxiety, or because you can't cope?

Do you feel guilt, remorse or depression afterward?

Has your pursuit of sex become more compulsive?

Does it interfere with relations with your spouse?

Do you have to resort to images or memories during sex?

Does an irresistible impulse arise when the other party makes the overtures or sex is offered?

Do you keep going from one "relationship" or lover to another?

Do you feel the "right relationship" would help you stop lusting, masturbating, or being so promiscuous?

Do you have a destructive need -- a desperate sexual or emotional need for someone?

Does pursuit of sex make you careless for yourself or the welfare of your family or others?

Has your effectiveness or concentration decreased as sex has become more compulsive?

Do you lose time from work for it?

Do you turn to a lower environment when pursuing sex?

Do you want to get away from the sex partner as soon as possible after the act?

Although your spouse is sexually compatible, do you still masturbate or have sex with others?

Have you ever been arrested for a sex-related offense?

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"EVOLUTION OF AN ADDICT"

Allow me to introduce myself,
I am an addict. Since adolecence I have suffered from a constant compulsion to obsess about and pursue a variety of questionable activities often in extreme, unhealthy, and life distracting ways. I’ve been told I must always fight such compulsions via therapy, medication, group support, ect, ect. For years I fought that battle, heeded the advice, and swallowed their pills, only to learn the one thing they could ever assure me was “I would always be an addict”, regardless of effort or behavior modification. This is when it occurred to me....

If I am destined to be an addict and it’s just part of who I am like the color of my eyes, why fight it? Why not just embrace it? Indulge it. Celebrate it! This was the pivotal realization I needed to finally gain control of it all. With full acceptance, I now gave myself the permission and freedom to choose my addictions accordingly, they no longer chose me. I would only try and limit that which was dangerous or beyond my financial means. I gradually replaced all my unhealthy vices with harmless ones and obsessively threw myself into hobbies and productive endeavors. I was happy.

Somewhere along the way I got computer savvy. I rediscovered porn, worked the personals, and found this website. With online dating I was soon averaging 3 to 4 sexually active dates per week (sometimes more), each with different women, and I had sampled countless others. Never had I gotten so much tail in my life! I occasionally even yanked in between dates to my favorite porn sites just for variety. Eventually I learned how to locate and pick up hookers and it became my preference. I'd often avoid “real dates” just so I could go hunt SW’s and pay some stranger to get me off instead. The activity persists to this day.

I am neither proud nor ashamed of all my promiscuity, it is what it is. Does it make me a sex addict? Perhaps, I’m not qualified to make such determinations. I can say however, if I am hooked, I have never had such fun harvesting an addiction and have no intention to fight it.

J Burb

Dear all,

I just to share my own feeling and hear feedback from you all here.

I used to have a gf who is very sexually active. We used to make love everytime we meet, and she loves it.

We had some great funs in all kinda of positions. I am kinda addicted to sex with her.

Now that we broke off, I'm had strong sexual desire. I couldnt control my thought of the great sex with my ex-gf.

I almost masturbate everyday and now I thought of getting some paid sex as well.

But I also aware that engaging with paid sex has risk. Any advice from the audience how to lower down the risk of STD and related diseases?

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My Inspire,
Nothing sucks more than longing for a ex with your cock in hand. I think you'll find a provider both empowering and a nice distraction in your current situation. Break ups become much easier to tolerate and you'll end up taking far less shit in relationships once you know you can just pay for another pussy anytime you want it.

Check the safe sex section for some good answers, but heres my routine:1) Be selective, not every hoe is a drugged out skank. 2) Do a vaginal inspection for signs of STD's first (I carry a flashlight in my car). 3) Avoid any sexual contact without a condom, even for BJ's (could get herpes). 4) I also avoid cunnilingus feeling that HIV can infiltrate bleeding gums. 5) I'll often put my dick through my underwear to avoid pelvic contact with vaginal fluid. 6) I also pay attention to where I put my fingers after inserting them in a girl ( If you touch your cock you may as well have just fucked her bareback) 6) Bring sanitary wipes and wash further when home.

I know my routine is a bit more extra careful than some guys but I sleep well at night knowing I took every possable percaution. Good luck and dont let the ex get you down.

J Burb

Damn Jburb you forgot to bring peniciline, a doctor, the hospital, and and a porn to just jack off because your not having sex dude your dreaming in a vagina. and that flashlight trick sounds cool man.

I carry a 2,000,000 candle power q beam I inspect them also they look like a light house when I do my inspection.

Ok later and have safe sex man.

I just pull my cock out and ride those ho's hard and leave them wet.

Bubba

My Inspire, It sounds like you might be ready for a sexual addiction twelve-step group. Just kidding. A generally accepted definition of addiction is the continuation of an activity despite negative consequences. That doesn't really sound like what you are describing.

I'm a little looser with the safe sex than J Burb. I'm not saying it's wrong to be that safe; but then again it does take some of the fun away.

I generally don't use a condom for anything but FS. Condoms won't prevent herpes but can prevent the clap and syphilis, which can thrive in the lining of the throat. They're easily treatable and I don't worry too much about them.

I don't worry about cunnilingus either. There are miniscule amounts of HIV in vaginal fluid and I have healthy gums. This activity has risk but its generally low.

Everything else he says sounds okay but a good thing is to take a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] immediately after sex; especially bbbj or bbfs to wash out any bugs from your urethra. But don't have bbfs. Its just not safe. This really belongs on the safe sex thread, so if you have any more questions please post them there. Also it's a very good idea to get vaccinated for Hepatitis A and B.

Civ2K

I have to say, I've wondered about whether I'm a sex addict. I meet the criteria and all. My heart begins to race because I begin to conform to a label.

Then it hits me.

I monger because I really enjoy my life. I don't monger to take away pain or cover up years of abuse. No. I do it because, dammit, I enjoy the empowerment I feel.

You see, when I was a regular square panted sort of fellow, women controlled my ass. A girl shakes a hip, I bounced along with it. A woman bends over, and I'm hankering to see what her tits look like. I see a woman in a nice dress and all I can think about is how good her pussy would feel.

When I liked a woman's body, my horndog would stand up and howl till it hurt. All I could do was pull my shirt down and cover it up...or sit down somewhere and try to take my mind off the chica.

I couldn't even talk to a woman I thought attractive without seeming like some perv...and I wasn't even getting any to be fairly labeled a perv.

Truth be told, women can cast a spell on a man, no matter how virtuous.

By mongering, I am not only enjoying my life, but I am experienced. Few women phaze me to the point where I can't control my hormornes. The horndog is firmly under control. Why? Cause I sampled many and the illusion is dismissed. In a sense, I am now content. When I so choose, I can unleash my new found calmness and really treat a woman well without any expectation on her. Why? Cause I know I can get some whenever I so choose. I can be nice, not with a secret hope of getting some...no...I can be a good man because I just want to be a good fella.

Thats empowering.

Am I addicted. As much as I am to good food and good living. If enjoying a good life is addiction, if choosing to enjoy my few days on earth with contentment vs anxiety is addiction, then so be it.

Meanwhile, I will enjoy my days of renewed youth that I missed oh so long ago. I am free! When my freedom becomes a cage...then yes...it is time to get help. Until then...live and let live.

Well. amen to that brother Stoner!

Yes, but does it not get boring sometimes when it is so easy to be had?

I am presently in a rut with having sex so much that I have decided to take it easy for a while.

Call it recharging my interest and batteries.

Hi

I'm married and have been going with SW, prostitutes and other women for the past 27years. It started when my wife couldn't keep up with my daily requests and so I found it easier to pay another woman to have sex rather than begging for it from your spouse. We had three children and are still happy married, we get on as best of friends but sex with my wife has dwindled to about six times a year whilst my needs are now roughly twice a week.

I can't stop thinking of my next sexual adventure and often wonder if I'm really addicted. Does anyone who has had similar experiences know if such urges do stop with age?

Can any (very) senior monger advise?

Hello All, I too could probably considered a sex addict, by the strict definition of it. But, when you get right down to it, who isn't? I don't know anyone who doesn't love sex. (That's because I don't hang around with uptight assholes that would rather go to church than screw their own wife!) Sex is not a sin! It is a pleasure. I get rather put out with people who try to impose their view of morality on you, and label you as a deviant or an 'addict' because you believe differently from them.

To me an addict is someone who cannot go without it. They have to have it. They cannot live without it. I do not have to have sex. And, as virtually every married man can attest, sometimes you just want to have sex more often than your wife wants to. Does that make you an addict? I say no.

Now, I'm not saying that there are no sex addicts, because I believe that they exist. I just don't consider myself one of them. And, Marpa, neither should you. IMHO, we are a lot alike. I happen to desire sex a lot more than my wife does. I love my wife and kids and don't want to go through another divorce. I just find it easier to find another women to have sex with than to have to beg my wife. My personal preference is to find a prostitute for that purpose. I don't want to have any more affairs, because, to me, they are too damn dangerous. There are too many opportunities to screw up and get caught. I prefer to just visit girls that get paid to have sex, get my jollies and be on my way, no muss, no fuss.

Yes, I worry about STD's, but I take sufficient precautions that I believe the risk is minimal.

Boxcc and Marpa, I really think it goes back to what I said earlier: addiction is the continuation of an activity despite negative consequences. If you visit a prostitute regularly and its caused you no problems then fine -- you have nothing to worry about. Take a sample scenario: a guy has been picking up SW's for about a year. One night he gets arrested. It really bums him out and he's thinking about giving up the hobby. Three weeks later he gets robbed by the SW's pimp and gets beat up. He comes home and his wife is leaving him because she tested postive for an STD. A non sex addicted guy would say "enough is enough" and never pick another SW up again.

The sex addict would swear he was never going out again and really mean it -- yet would find himself out cruising a few days later. This pattern of remorse, stopping and starting the activity, and the unability to quit despite the fact it was destroying his life are all telltale signs of addiction.

Another sign would be someone who is really lonely and would really like to be in a relationship but doesn't because they're spending all their time with prostitutes. They desire intimacy but its so convenient to pick up a SW. And the pattern continues.

Another sign is a guy making 75 thousand a year and yet he is heavily in debt, drives a piece of crap car, and has bill collectors calling all the time. His paycheck is getting garnished. He makes plenty of money but spends most of it on escorts.

There's nothing wrong with having a high libido and wanting sex everyday. When it causes you serious problems then you have a serious problem. People who talk like sex is a great addiction to have just don't know what they're talking about. It can ruin careers, relationships, health, etc. So, if you're doing prostitutes and everything is honky dory then don't worry about it.

Civ2k

Civ2000, I couldn't agree with you more. I think your definition of an addict is dead on. Like I was saying, I think that once it becomes a compulsion and not a choice, that's when it becomes and addiction. And, I hope you didn't think I was saying that a sex addiction was a good thing to have, because I wasn't saying that at all. In fact, I don't think that any addiction is a good thing.

The point I was trying to make was that different people have different definitions of what an addict is. As I stated in my previous post, I probably could be considered an addict, depending on the definition. Just because you love something does not make you addicted to it. I, like so many others on this board, love sex. That does not make us addicts. I would consider you and addict if you did spend all the mortgage money on hookers! But, I believe there are people who have addictive personalities. If they didn't have an addiction to sex, it would be on some other activity: video poker, gambling, or any other of a number of destuctive activities that they would find a way to [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] their time and money away on.

I am no senior monger, more a junior, roughly 30 now and this is my opinion to this very important issue:

I think that sex is in our nature.

We start loving it with 10 or 12, start getting to it at about 16, get confident by 21 or 23 and by 28 we think we´re on the top of the building and the most of us settle down or marry. The first years are great, and everywhere around us we can find the impressions of sex, in commercials, at stores selling high heels, boots, t-shirts at Benetton, wherever, sex is on play in the radio, on TV via cable or satellite dish, in the movies, in magazines, in books, just everywhere.

Accepting that there are girls that would rather fuck than work in a store is a moral issue and once you think about it and you finally make it to the business you have one choice:

Leave it or embrace it!
If you leave, leave and never come back! Never embrace a hobby without actually desiring it like a lot of golfers that buy the million $ gear and use it twice in their life!

Just be careful, with your health, be a grown (covered) man;
-for (the next) fuck´s sake don´t blow it!

Next be careful with your money, put a limit to it 5%, or 10% of your annual income, no more, don´t be a fool; spend some money with culture, with nice restaurants, nice trips;
-treat yourself as a king without thinking only on the concubines!

Don´t ruin your reputation, if you live in a conservative environment;
-your dick ain´t worth as much as your face!

These are my golden rules:
1. For (the next) fuck´s sake don´t blow it! Always use a cover.
2. Treat yourself as a king without thinking only on the concubines!
3. Your dick ain´t worth as much as your face!

Have a sleep on it and get back to the real world. Sex is great with our girlfriend, wife, cousin, friend, flirt, or with a prostitute, a beautiful one, I hope!

Hello fellow mongers,

I'd consider myself an addict, and if I'm not, I don't know what one is. I find myself out mongering at least once a week. I usually find the chase and anticipation to be the best part of it. To me, there's nothing like finding a totally hot chick on the street, and then being able to get pretty much whatever you want. Money doesn't really play a huge issue. Unfortunately, the street scene where I'm at has really diminised in the last decade. Are there any mongers out there that have gotten over this addiction, and how?

Tness, I find the hunt to be very enjoyable all by itself. I agree that the anticipation then the thrill of finding a hot girl, man, there is no feeling that compares. I have been mongering for years, and to this day, I get that same rush everytime I spot a new girl. My heart just starts pumping faster and I get a real rush of adreniline. [sp]

I don't know if you will ever get rid of this addiction. I may go a month or two without really searching for anything, but usually when I'm not searching, that's when I find the really hot chicks that I just can't pass up. And, when I am hunting for it, I never seem to be able to find it like I want to. Speaking for myself, I know that I probably will continue mongering for the rest of my life, that is, as long as I can still get it up!

I think I'm addicted to these beautiful prostitutes. Sometimes when I'm at home I think about them for hours, and just planning my next trip, or researching on STDs, or being in this WSG Forum. It's starting to affect me so that I'm not really doing what I should be doing, like work related activities. I'm up at 1:40am writing this write now. There's a saying that a sex-mad man is not much different from a dope-mad man and I concur. Need the discipline to keep this aspect of life compartmentalized.

Maybe we should start a group called Prostitutes Anonymous.

civ2000 defines "addiction" =

[quote][i] "i really think it goes back to what i said earlier:
addiction is the continuation of an activity despite negative consequences. " [/i][/quote]

that's how people who get paid to treat addictions [ so-called 'addictionologists' ] would define it

but they've got a vested interest in, say, making the casual drinker an alcoholic or you into a 'sex addict' ; because they get paid to treat the 'disease' that they them·selves have defined

a better definiton of addiction is =

[i] " compulsive need for and use of a habit-forming substance (as heroin, nicotine, or alcohol) characterized by tolerance and by well-defined physiological symptoms upon withdrawal; broadly : persistent compulsive use of a substance known by the user to be harmful " [/i]


notice that a substance is always the object of an addiction; but even some substances , like food , cannot be addictive =
because the basic treatment for an addiction is total abstinence [ the '12 steps' are optional, no matter what your therapist tells you ] and abstinence from food would result in death

similarly to the essential bodily function that eating is , sex is a normal excretory function that the male cannot deny any more than he can deny himself sleep or ever taking a leak or a dump again =

those rare catholic priests who actually keep their vow of chastity will continue to have wet dreams [ "nocturnal emissions" is the proper term ] through·out their lives

the 'case scenarios' that civ2000 present actually represent not addiction, but a form of obsessive-compulsive disorder.

while true addicts exhibit obsessive / compulsive behavior and thinking, the ocd-behavior of people like 'sex addicts' arises out of an underlying personality disorder that can rise to the level of a neurosis , as in civ2000's scenarios

the difference between true addiction and an ocd may seem like 'splitting hairs' to the lay person; but difference there is, and it makes a tremendous difference both in terms of how they're treated and their ultimate prognosis

any of you 'sex addicts' who find your life being ruined by this need to get away from your self-treatment, psychologist, or 'counseler' ; and see a psychiatrist

it's now well-established that ocd has a chemical neuro-transmitter basis; and only a psychiatrist can provide both the counseling and the prescriptions for the medications that have been proven to work in these cases

you owe it to yourself , your family and your community to get a referral to a 'shrink' today [ heck, if you don't have a 'primary care doc = pick a psychiatrist out of the yellow pages , under 'physicians' ]

good luck !!

PsyberZombie, Yours was a well-thought out and articulate post, however I disagree with most of it. I still believe my definition of continuing despite negative consequences is still the most appropriate definition of an addiction. You begin to have bad things happen; swear you will never engage in the behavior again; and still find yourself right back out there.

Interestingly enough, Psychiatrists list sexual addiction and obsessive-compulsive disorder as two separate conditions. Here is the DSM-IV defintion of OCD. The DSM-IV is the diagnostic manual psychiatrists use to define various types of mental illness.

Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
The patient has obsessions or compulsions, or both.
Obsessions. The patient must have all of:
1 Recurring, persisting thoughts, impulses or images inappropriately intrude into awareness and cause marked distress or anxiety.
2 These ideas are not just excessive worries about ordinary problems.
3 The patient tries to ignore or suppress these ideas or to neutralize them by thoughts or behavior.
4 There is insight that these ideas are a product of the patient's own mind.

Compulsions. The patient must have all of:
1 The patient feels the need to repeat physical behaviors (checking the stove to be sure it is off, handwashing) or mental behaviors (counting things, silently repeating words).
2 These behaviors occur as a response to an obsession or in accordance with strictly applied rules.
3 The aim of these behaviors is to reduce or eliminate distress or to prevent something that is dreaded.
4 These behaviors are either not realistically related to the events they are supposed to counteract or they are clearly excessive for that purpose.

This does not even remotely sound like an addiction to me.

In a way, sex is an addictive substance. It is proven that when you engage in sex powerful neurotransmitters such as endorphins, adrenaline and the like are released into the blood stream causing physiological reactions. I've actually read posts from guys on this board whom after coming home from a sex vacation in Costa Rica actually experience what could best be classified as withdrawl symptoms. For someone who picks up SW's you have the danger, excitement, the sex, etc and get mass chemicals released into the body. I've actually started to shake uncontrollably when entering a stroll after a few weeks away and have heard this is actually a common phenomena due to the mass release of adrenaline.

So, of course sex can be addictive. What is a psychiatrist going to do? Prescribe some seratonin reuptake inhibitors like Paxil, Prozac, or Zoloft? It might help an addict a bit, but is kind of like putting out a fire with a squirt gun.

Twelve steps didn't work for me but millions swear by them.

Food as well can be addictive. Just because you need it to live doesn't mean it can't be addictive. It is well known that you can be addicted to carbs, and other foods harmful to you, and once you start eating you just can't stop "despite negative consequences". The task is not to stop eating -- just to stop eating addictively. The same would be true of the sex addict. You want to stop the addiction and yet be able to practice healthy sexuality. I believe that is why food and sex are two extremely tough addictions to crack. Everything else you can just eliminate, but with these you'll always struggle.

You would probably not classify gambling as an addiction either then. It is not a substance. But they have proven that the same chemicals emitted during sex are also emitted while an addicted gambler is betting away his mortgage payment. They say gambling and sex addiction are very closely related.

Anyway the bottom-line is this: if you're enjoying it and it's not causing you any financial, emotional, physical, family, and legal problems then it's probably not addiction.

Civ2000-

And I thank you for that erudite Post , Civ2000

But the DSM-IV-RT lists the 'Dependence' Diagnoses under the Codes 303.9 - 304.9 [ 303 is for Alcohol ; everything else has a 304 code ]

There is NO CODE for "Sexual Addiction/Dependence" in this category

Compulsive Gambling, which you mention, is 312.31

[ 312.3 is the Category "Impulse Control" ; 300.3 is the code for OCD ; so I got the Category wrong in my last post ]

Besides the General Category of 'Impulse Control' , there are specific codes for Gambling; Pyromania; Kleptomania; trichotillomania [ compulsively pulling your own hair out ] ; but there is NO Specific CODE for "Sexual Addiction"


What is called "sexual addiction" doesn't even come close to being a Dependence Disorder =

The DSM-IV-RT defines 'Dependence' as :

" A maladaptive pattern of substance use, leading to clinically significant impairment or distress, as manifested by three (or more) of the following, occurring at any time in the same 12-month period:

(1) tolerance, as defined by either of the following:
(a) a need for markedly increased amounts of the substance to achieve Intoxication or desired effect
(b) markedly diminished effect with continued use of the same amount of the substance

(2) Withdrawal, as manifested by either of the following:
(a) the characteristic withdrawal syndrome for the substance (refer to Criteria A and B of the criteria sets for Withdrawal from the specific substances)
(b) the same (or a closely related) substance is taken to relieve or avoid withdrawal symptoms

(3) the substance is often taken in larger amounts or over a longer period than was intended

(4) there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use

(5) a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (e.g., visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (e.g., chain-smoking), or recover from its effects

(6) important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use

(7) the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (e.g., current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression, or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption) "

In contrast, the Manual defines 'Impulse Control Disorders' as =

" Recurrent failure to resist impulsive BEHAVIORS that may be harmful to themselves or others "

The Difference between these Two Types of Disorders is Important because both the Treatment and Prognosis is Different

Someone with a Substance Abuse Dependence [ a TRUE "Addiction" ] may only require the services of a physician during the Acute Withdrawal Phase of their disorder ; and have their long term follow-up care managed by a psychologist or 'substance abuse counselor' and 'Twelve Steps'

In contrast, some·one suffering from Impulse Control Disorder
[ what was called 'OCD' ] will probably require the life-long care of a Psychiatrist
[ a M.D. Physician who specializes in Psychiatry ]

If YOUR Life is being Ruined by Obsession [ "the uncontrollable persistence of an idea or emotion" ] or Compulsive Behavior =

You'd be best off seeking the services of a Psychiatrist

The Good News is =

Sexual Desire and Activity tend to naturally decline with Age ;
so the Ultimate Prognosis of a "Sex Addict" is probably pretty good , assuming you aren't murdered by a SW or her Pimp or die of AIDS first !!

Psyberzombie, I have talked with psychiatrists and they have told me they don't consider sex addiction an OCD nor a impulse control disorder, but a recognizable addiction of its own.

Using your system of defining a dependance disorder sex meets most of the criteria:


(4) there is a persistent desire or unsuccessful efforts to cut down or control substance use--this is the case with all addictions including sex.


(5) a great deal of time is spent in activities necessary to obtain the substance (e.g., visiting multiple doctors or driving long distances), use the substance (e.g., chain-smoking), or recover from its effects --sex addicted mongers spend hours upon hours cruising for SW's, miss time from work recovering from lack of sleep, etc, etc.

(6) important social, occupational, or recreational activities are given up or reduced because of substance use -- once again this is the case with most people who consider themselves sex addicts.

(7) the substance use is continued despite knowledge of having a persistent or recurrent physical or psychological problem that is likely to have been caused or exacerbated by the substance (e.g., current cocaine use despite recognition of cocaine-induced depression, or continued drinking despite recognition that an ulcer was made worse by alcohol consumption) -- continuation despite negative consequences; depression, std's, financial, etc.

Even #'s 1,2,and 3 are plausible. For example since I started picking up SW's mild stuff like porno doesn't do the job. Guys start picking up a hooker or two every several months and for some it becomes an everyday necessity.

#2--Withdrawl from sexual addiction is documented. Endorphins attach to the same nervous system receptor sites as opiates and the effects although much milder are much the same.

You can say whatever you want, however millions of people agree with me that sex can be an addiction. It is a "true addiction" and it is ignorant of the facts to think otherwise.

Civ2000

civ2000 =

one of my original points that i need to clarify is =

'addictionologists' have a vested interest in defining down the criteria for a dis·order to be called an addiction

even with·in the category of true addictions , the addiction 'therapist' will try to convert mere use or abuse of substances into an 'addiction' , so they can earn their living treating this 'addiction'

thus, the alcohol abuser becomes an 'alcoholic'

and the guy with the impulse control disorder becomes a 'sex addict'

again , i'm not "splitting hairs" here

Psyber, I do agree with you that the addiction treatment community does like to make everyone who ever gets drunk into an alcoholic and they also have a vested interest in the addict who relapses -- if people actually benefited from their services and got well -- they'd be out of work. And it is refreshing to have a healthy debate with someone who obviously is well read and articulate.

Civ2000

thanks for the kind words , civ2000

i hope that this debate will help give some in·sight to those guys who post here who believe they suffer from an 'addiction'

maybe they do, in fact [ and i stress that it's only a small per·centage of us 'hobby·ists' that feel that the 'hobby' getting out of control to the point of continuing it in spite of repeated adverse consequences ]

if so, they should join some kind of '12 step' program and aim for total abstinence as their goal and check out a newsgroup like alt.recovery.addiction.sexual

but if that approach isn't working , as it probably won't for any activity that is based on a biological need [ like eating , or sex ] =

then maybe those guys could consider seeing a shrink and popping a few pills = many anti-depressants and other psychotropic medications are renowned and disdained for their side effects of both squelching libido and causing impotence ;
'side effects' that would actually be therapeutic in the case of our 'sex addicts'

of course, all this begs the question =

is the cure worse than the disease ??

i say = let the 'victim' of 'sex addiction' try these various therapies; and make those choices

PZ,

I don't think I necessarily have an addiction, but this hobby can at times take me more time and money than I would like. It can be like a drug if you're constantly thinking about the next "fix"/sexual encounter, but I'm obsessive about other things as well.
Have you personally dealt with sexual addiction issues?

KingArthurad writes :

[quote][i] It can be like a drug if you're constantly thinking about the next "fix"/sexual encounter, but I'm obsessive about other things as well. Have you personally dealt with sexual addiction issues? [/i][/quote]


Trust me = Your 'OBSESSION' with Sex will diminish as you age

And , NO =

I've never "personally dealt with sexual addiction issues"

... because SEX is a Normal Function , and CAN NOT be an Addiction

[ RTFF ]

Hi to every fellow member or guest on this splendid forum

This will be my second post in this section and I will just enclose a resume of my first impression on the subject and my golden rules:

1. For (the next) fuck´s sake don´t blow it! Always use a cover.
2. Treat yourself as a king without thinking only on the concubines!
3. Your dick ain´t worth as much as your face!

But if this ain´t enough to straighten things for any of you, here is a brief and easy, but also bizarre experience.

A lot of members in this section have stated that the kick comes from the moments or hours just before the hunting starts and the moment of the searching and looking up for the right chica, so just try to stay away of these narrow alleys and streets where we all know what is to found. Try it for a week and then for another so that you can double the budget and triple the fever for the next hunt in two weeks. The feeling is marvelous, and in my opinion these breaks really make me think about increasing the quality of the next hunting moment to an even higher pattern. Instead of, and this is merely an example, spending 100 bucks on a weekly basis I spend 200 on an evening after 3 or 4 weeks.

The numbers are fictional, because in my honest opinion I can not live up to happiness only on hunting, I need some cash to improve my standard of living. I like to think of myself as someone who is learning how to increase his values, his mind, his way of being, his joy and fun, because life is beautiful and there is a lot of improving to do. That was one of the first reasons I started this wonderful hobby. First because it is legal, second sex is one of the most marvelous thinks in life and third because I don´t have a moral dislike or reproaval on the subject.

But of course I have to take a few precautions because a lot of people don´t share my opinion. By the way does anyone have a rough statistics on what the percentage of man attend the hobby in the occidental world?
So if I want to improve my standards I have reached to the inner consensus that I will never ever spend more than up to 10% of my earnings, and I try to keep it in the range of 5 % on a monthly basis. SO the thing is to work harder, getting more doe and therefore being able of expending a bit more attending higher pleasures.

Measure pleasures on your principles and you´ll fly high brother!

Waiting for some reply

Hello all,

Just wondering about this whole sex addiction thing. I don't see how getting pyschiatric help or taking a pill would help. After all, if you see a hot chic walking down the street in a mini skirt, and you know that in a matter of minutes you could be shooting your rocks off, how would medicine help? I don't want to take any pill that's going to numb my sexual drive.

Hi all,

I agree with some people on this thread, how can you be addicted to sex. Its a natural human instinct. My feeling is you only live once and if you don't use it, one day when you lose it, you will be sorry.

So live a littel and follow your instincts and desires I do all the time.

Here is my question I get sex at home with my wife about once if I am luck twice a week. Now I have been going to AMP once every two weeks I keep tellng myself that I shouldnt go but I love sex so much I just have this urge to go like its a drug. I am not rich by any means so its hard to justfy spending .1 or more every coupke of weeks. If I did have money to blow I would be going more often because I want it so bad. After I have finished the deed I tell my self I am not going to do it again. So does that mean I am addicted or not?

Professer, would you go to AMPs if your wife gave you sex everytime you wanted it? If so, then yes, you're probably "addicted". But you're not alone. I would rather not go, if only to save money. But when my mind clicks, I can't think about anything else until I go. The attention I get at AMPs, without all the strings attached, keeps pulling me back.

I read a lot of the posts on this forum and thought long and hard about the way I behave in terms of sex. I see some people have posted that how can I be addicted to sex, it’s a natural instinct. Well I'l try to outline that below. But I probably feel that for me it is an addiction. I use prostitutes every second week and any longer and I start losing the ability to think straight. So here is the way I look at it.

Sex is a natural desire. It’s biologically and evolutionary critical for men and women. So is eating and sleeping. Whilst it is not an addictive "substance" like alcohol or heroin, neither is gambling. Yet people are addicted to that as well. To illustrate this point, if the pursuit of sex (or for that matter food or gambling) interrupts normal (and socially acceptable) patterns in life - form relationships, pay debts, work and most importantly, the person feels they can't say no (similar to the gambler who wants one more throw of the dice) and regret it afterwards, then it can be classed as an addiction. The best (albeit simplistic imagery) is the person who loves chocolate cake. And there is no buzz in this world that can beat a fresh baked chocolate cake. Not the old saggy ones from the supermarket, the high class bakery ones. If that person walks past that cake, and can't say no, regardless of the time frame of when the last hot high class cake was, then it is an addiction.

There is an episode of Friends where one of the characters says at their house, they have no television. Joey then says, but where does your furniture point to?

Likewise, where does your life furniture point to? Is sex the only thing it points to? Is it hard for you to not surf into this website? Do you get a buzz out of the line-up at a brothel or the street where the WL's are that isn't matched by anything else in your life? Are you planning your next holiday around mongering and cheap sex? At the expense of relationships and perhaps financial interests? How much have you spent on hookers? Does the amount, when totalled up (probably 2000 Aussie Dollars this year so far), make your heart sink? Do you regret it afterwards? Do you prefer to lie to your partner about late-nights at work when really you’re cruising for the next Asian hottie? If you still feel there is no such thing as addiction to sex, replace sex with gambling or food, it makes the same sense, and no one would deny those addictions exist. In fact one of the biggest problem with most addicts is they don’t believe they have an addiction, despite evidence to the contrary.

I believe that admitting sexual addiction and learning to control it CAN be about living life at the fullest and ENHANCING sexual drive. By being in control. Ask a reformed addict how he spent his 20’s, chances are it was out of control and doing anything to feed the addiction. Living life to the fullest doesn't mean making sex the paramount form of enjoyment - because when it is taken away - in the form of family holidays, loss of income, the addict becomes miserable and more devious. It’s about being able to control the circumstance and enjoy it in moderation. Rather than excessively and without quality. Consider Ze Duron’s wise words below. 5% of monthly income – it’s a method of controlling and increasing his pleasure from the activity. And I always have the most amazing sex when I abstain for periods longer than usual.

I would never encourage anyone here to stop cold turkey, because it just doesn't work. As an example - Australian heroin addicts rarely go cold turkey because it just doesn't work. They go on to methadone and are able to control the circumstances in their lives better. Its harm minimization - the governments believe in reducing the harm of addiction to heroin by supplying cheap substitutes in order to reduce the cravings and long term consequences of addiction. The understanding is that it's impossible for an addict to say no to the cravings all the time, but by helping control the cravings - there is less likely to be a relapse, and more likely that the person will be able to live a fuller life – stable jobs and better relationships. Giving them reason and ability to say no. Which many of us can't do to WL.

Recently, I hooked up with a WL who lets me fuck her for free. It’s a great thing, it means I don't spend money at brothels and I sate my sexual needs without expenditure of valuable money. There's no emotional connection - purely physical. Has it really solved my addiction just because it’s free? After a few days, all I think about is fucking her, even though there's no emotional connection. It’s a semi-victory against an addiction but not the whole victory. Because when I am with her and she asks for sex - I can't say no. It’s not really that different from heroin gambling.

I'm like the fat lady who can't say no to cake. Learning to say no sometimes to WL’s might be the most positive thing any of us can do.

Anyway that’s my two cents. I hope it’s been enlightening.

Professor, If wanting to go to AMPS despite your wife giving you sex anytime you desire, might signal a want for variety not necessarily addiction. Despite the best home cooking sometimes you want to go out for dinner.

Supmam, Excellent post. I do believe however that sex IS an addictive substance. When a gambler is on a winning streak or betting a month's salary, or when a monger is having high risk sex in his car with a SW there are mass amounts of chemicals coursing through the body. Adrenaline, endorphins, all kinds of stuff. Sometimes when I hit the stroll after a prolonged absence I'll start to sweat and my leg shakes -- it's just like taking a big hit of dope.

I agree that sex is natural and that we all need it but most non-addicted persons won't pursue it to the point of financial ruin, disease, arrest, family problems, etc. If having sex despite the fact it's negatively impacting your life on every level, signals addiction whether or not it's a natural act or not. If you're not experiencing any negative side effects then that's great. But to just categorically say there is no such thing as sexual addiction is naive. (I'm referring to previous posts here, not yours).

I'm not sure if controlling an addiction works either. I know of no ex-smoker's, alcoholics, gamblers, drug addicts, etc that can control their addiction. You either use or you don't. The exception being of course is the heroin addicts using methadone or buphenorphine to ease the cravings and withdrawl symtoms. I think if you're addicted to SW's then the only course of action is to avoid SW's. Myself, I can go for a couple of months without picking one up, but when I do I usually pick up 3 or 4 a week before I stop again, usually months later.

I've also tried a variation of the 5% of income a month thing. It's great but I'm sure all of us who have tried it have had times (like a three-day Independance Day holiday) where we've spent our whole allotment by the 5th (like any good addict) and then spend the whole month white knuckling it to the 1st. And rarely successful. As usual just my humble opinion. Civ

Professer, in addition to Civ2000's wise words, I suggest you ask yourself a very simple thing, a variation on Anderson's comment -- if you had sex with your wife one more time each week would it alleviate your urge to go to AMP's? It may not be an issue of frequency, but of control, as you have to negotiate sex in a marriage whereas you simply purchase it at an AMP.

Let's face it -- if you took that .1 you spend on AMPs and spent it specifically on romancing your wife -- taking her to dinner, out on the town, etc., you'd probably end up with more frequent sex unless there's some greater underlying trouble in your marriage. If the latter is the case, well, then everything's got a different perspective, and it's not about sexual addiction.

I will say this, through my many years of mongering it has become completely apparent to me, that variety is the spice of life. At least for me. Sure I could settle down with a woman, get married, yada, yada, but I could likely never just have sex with one woman for the rest of my life.

Having experienced all the varieties girls offer, there is just no way. Each one is different, from how they smell, their sexuality, how their vagina feels, tastes, how they react, how sensitive they are sexually, how they give head and how some are really into the sex. (just a few examples) All these and hundreds more factors get imbedded in your mind. They don't go away. Settling for the sexuality of just one woman is no longer conceivably possible for myself.

I truly believe that Man, in general was NEVER created to be monogamous. This is simply a stigma our society places on us.

TANG~!

Variety is indeed the spice of life. Would you eat the same food every day, watch the same movie, vacation in the same spot over and over again? I don't know anybody who would. Why then expect the same thing from married men having sex with only their wives. After the first few months or years, it gets dull. Why can't people in the US understand that?

Chorfa1,

I agree with you. I sometimes wonder why I am so sinful because I like sex, but not with the same girl all the time. I never force or hurt girls I always treat them with respect. But i also have this addiction about having sex with different women, Of course their attitude plays an important role with the women I have sex with. I try to stop my hobby but can't, I am married and I love and care my wife alot, But I also don;t know why I have the urge to have sex with others. When i am alone not with my wife, I can;t stop looking at sexy women in the mall and other places. and when I have the chance i even tried to talk to them and asked their number. I travel to Asia because I can get young and good sex at a relatively cheaper price compare I spend to have sex in the US. Well I just don't know how to stop.

I think there is a lot of people here that think being in control (and not addicted) means sleeping with one woman forever. Which is not true. Not being addicted can mean enjoying sex with different partners (including WL) as just one part of your life that gets you excited. In other words - some one who is not addicted to WL's would be able to control their desire, so as not to ruin other aspects of his life. And whether you guys like it or not - monogamy is not as "unnatural" as is suggested here. Many members of the animal kingdom are monogamous.

My comments should be read as addiction is NOT a judgement call on a person's life choices. Many many cultures openly accept multiple relationships before and after marriage. Addiction is (my original point), when you can't say no, despite the ruin it may cause to things of value - people you love, jobs, money etc.

So Tang, its cool if you don't want to be monogamous, its cool if you do. But what's not cool is when you are hurting yourself because you can't say no.

Civ - I agree, it causes a lot of endogenous substance release that are just as powerful as heroin or alcohol in the addict. I guess my point was that some people are so focussed on it "being natural" and not like a drug or something.

I cant read them all, but seeing so many perspectives here about addiction seems to suggest theres probably no real cookie cutter criteria anyone should ever guage themselves by, its seems all relative to the individual. Because everyone is unique and human behaviour is affected by such a wide and complex variety of factors, one should probably never completly trust what some book, professional, or 12 step program is telling them. In addition, because sexuality is always at such odds with morality in scociety, I find it hard to believe that even so called "unbiased" evaluations reguarding such matters arent sometimes tainted.

I realize the following may just seem like my own biased perspective to personally justify my own behaviour and I'm sure some of it has been touched on already, but for those who are still struggling with the issue, try starting with the simple biological and evolutionary facts about yourself first before jumping to a more in depth psycho-analysis. Consider this:

1) We are just another species here on this planet who's absolute highest priority above any other is "SURVIVAL".

2) The survivial of any species depends on these three things:

.A) Aquiring sustanence
.B) Protecting oneself from injury or death
.C) Reproduction

So it would stand to reason that one of the most influential and constant factors motivating any living creatures actions is based on procreation. Therefore I reject the argument "sex is less essential than food" becuase our very survival throughout history has quite literally depended apon it. We may often forget that sexual desire is really all about reproduction but we do always magically seem to remember we still want to fuck. This is no mistake. Its that constant build up of semenal pressure that needs release and the brief orgasmic reward we perpetually seek that is natures way of insuring we will aways be focused on spreading our seed no matter what. Mankind did not always know intercoarse and ejaculation caused pregnancy, it just always happened during the normal coarse of life, exactly the way its supposed to happen.

Just because we know more now, can intellectualize it, choose partners, plan families, ect, ect, does not mean our sexual desire is any less powerfull and influential over our lives than it ever was. Why do you think sex in advertising is proven to work so well? Its because its part of our evolutionary makup and genetically engrained in our personalities. It even affects those who seem to oppose open sexuality and I'm sick to death of how certian religious and puritanical "imposers of morality" convienently ignore this fact. I think making sex and the human body out to be such dirty and sinful things has created more diviancy than it ever prevented. So before anyone prematurely classifies themselves a "sex addict", just remember a strong sexual desire is as natural as eating, shitting and sleeping and is meant to be a constant driving force in your life (this includes the desire to seek multiple partners). Never should anyone be made to feel immoral or defective because of it. I'd say as often as your mind and body wants it, is probably the natural amount you could feasably have it. Some of us here at WSG are just better "go getters" who have discovered more efficiant means of getting it.

That being said, I also recognize that because the human mind has so much more potential than to just want to fuck, it would probably be a shame if thats the only thing ones spare time and money ever got devoted to. So I must agree that moderation is key to living a balanced, healthy and fulfilling life, however, only each individual can determine what moderation means to them.

Now off to hunt some more pussy! LOL

J Burb

I was recenthly busted and spent the weekend in jail. I was released monday morning, went home , showered and immedietly went out to look for some trim, I found it quick and did my thing. I know I'm addicted cause most of the money I make goes to Gas I use on my long hourly hunts, and to the women I bang. I dont spend any money on food( I get free food at work), clothes or anything else anymore just going out and banging. I'm on probation , WITH a Suspended licence and still I go out about 3-4 times a week. I'm hooked and nobody in my life suspects anything so I keep on living my double life.

Got Time's story has all the classic elements of sexual addiction: continuation of the activity despite negative consequences.

He was arrested and jailed and the first thing he did when he got out was go straight back to it. He is broke and yet spends every spare dime on gas and hookers.

He's on probation, has a suspended license, and will basically be fucked if he gets caught. Yet he apparently can't stop.

A normal horny (non-addicted guy) would say enough is enough. This just isn't fun anymore, but the addict has little or no say in the matter.

Reading J Burbs report doesn't explain this type of behavior at all. This is not about reproduction, sexual release, high sex drive, or anything like it. It is about extremely detrimental and self-destructive behavior. There is really nothing fun or satisfying about it.

Help is available friend. I suggest you seek it out.

Civ2000

Just my humble opinion.

Somewhere I read that Humans are the only mammals (maybe animals, I forget) that has sex for pure pleasure. So I agree that having multiple partners, visiting MPs, etc. is only natural.

On the other hand, humans are the most sensitive beings on earth. finding out that you are being cheated on mentally emotionally rips apart a person's feelings. Especially in the conservative American culture.

Is sexual addiction a disease? No, if you can function like a normal human being in other parts of your life. Yes, if it tears apart your life like a drug.

Is having multiple partners (i.e visiting MPs, picking up SWs and others) a crime or sin? No, if affects you in a positve way, such as stress relief and other forms of mental and physical satisfaction. Yes, if it ruins your life financially and socially.

There's a thin line between the good and bad. This debate may go on until the end in time.

RTR

Help!

I recently got access to satellite television and have , on a few occasions, watched some Porn. I noticed there is a lot of spitting during the blow job, something that I have never seen before -- and it's [i][u]discusting[/i][/u]. Now, I acknowledge that I am not the most adventurous at sex, but can someone please...please tell me what is the attraction to this. Since HIV is known to be carried through body fluids, this seem counterintuitive.

Got Time,

I, uh, got the same problem. Maybe not quite as bad as you and I haven't (thank the stars) been caught by LE yet.

Macgoo,

Dude, have you ever received BBBJ by a trusted SO or girlfriend? The reason BBBJ is better than CBJ (feelings-wise) is that the spit lubes the tool,yet the suction is still there. Sometimes, with CBJ, it feels like you are getting manual jacked by someone in rubber dishgloves. There's none of that "slippage" feeling. That said, it's only natural that porn has evolved to include spitting during the BJ.

The thing that I don't get is the whole spitting in the mouth thing. By that, I mean, like when the man is getting head from the girl, he takes her jaw, opens her mouth, takes out his d*ck, then like spits a loogie in her mouth. That's a little over-the-top. I suppose it's all part of the "aggressive-I'm the boss-and I'm in contol" attitude some of the guys exhibit. Otherwise known as being the [b]dominant[/b].

My 2 cents. BTW, yes, I'm guilty of seeking BBBJs outside of the significant other. It's a bad habit I'm trying to kick. Honestly.

Rock the Room,

I hear ya. So far, I'm getting stress relief along with the mental and physical satisfaction. When it gets to be like being a "fix," then I'll know I need some intervention.

Peace

Well I sold my house and car and everything I owned and moved to South America to chase pussy and BBBJs and I am not trying to kick that habit. Yes I am spending more than I planned to and no it isn't easy to turn down pussy when I still have money left. But it ain't my retirement money so why not spend it? Some guys spend their money on boats or ATVs or casinos and I spend mine on pussy. Does that make me an addict? Don't know, don't care. It sure is fun for now.

Dickhead, I would say you are probably not an addict. It sounds like you are enjoying the hell out of banging as many South American chicks as you possibly can. Someday I hope to join you.

On the other hand it sounds like Got Time is not having as good of a time. He can't afford to buy food, can't afford new clothes, probably drives a car that is falling apart, and is on the verge of doing significant jail time.

He probably wishes he could sell his home and everything he owns and move to S. America, but he's probably up to his ears in debt and has nothing to sell.

That's all I'm trying to say here. There's nothing wrong with wanting to bang hookers everyday. I've probably banged 200 already this year alone. But when you can't afford a new pair of jeans and have to eat free food at work, it seems the hobby has become problematic. I'm willing to bet that none of this even remotely describes you.

Civ2000

Have been travelling a lot the past 8 years and had an awful lot of sex in my own country too. Would like to know if anyone has ever encountered this problem. Of the rare occasions i have had unprotected sex or BBBJ I always have a slight pain near the prostate, which can last for up to two months. Had all sorts of tests and the doctors do not find anything. One doctor suggested : too much sex. Could this be true, but I do not understand why it always happens during uncovered sex. Just a minor problem, but it does bother me a bit.

I am married, and I read with interest some of these posts.

I am not sure if I am a sex addict or if I am just someone who loves sex so much, I cannot settle for the boredom and hum-drum life of monogamous sex. Not that sex with the wife isn't good - it is good, sometimes, and other times it is less than thrilling.

All I can say is that after TRYING to be monogamous, for 2 years, when I finally was turned loose in San Jose' Costa Rica, I went crazy! I was banging 3 times a day, eating pussy, getting bareback blow jobs, the works! I would have been happy to stay there and have sex with 3 girls a day for another month, at least!

And although I feel somewhat bad about the possiblility that I could pick up a disease and pass it to my wife, I do not feel bad about having sex with other women, because like some others here, I believe that men are MEANT to have sex with a variety of woman, men are not designed to be monogamous.

So why get married then? Legitimate question, which I will attempt to explain:

1) I did not really KNOW I could not be monogamous until I tried. I made it for 2 years before I just had to break down and have sex with a new partner.

2) I love my wife very much. She is the ideal person for me to live with, share my life with, do everything with. But her sex drive is nothing like mine, and she doesn't like to give bj's (even though we've discussed my need for it, and she loves me eating her pussy, which I also love to do).

3) I don't fall in love with the hookers at all, so there is no danger of having a relationship. It is just pure sex, and as such, it does not really impact on my marriage in an emotional way. In fact, if she wanted to have sex with guy hookers, in the same way I do with girls (no attachment), it would not bother me that much, if I knew there was no danger of emotional attachment. But then, I would not want to know about it, either.

So I am stuck in this hard place of wanting to be monogamous but having trouble doing so. And LOVING sex with new girls so much, especially in the legal hooker situation where it's so easy, all I have to do is choose one and pay her and then have fun!

So what is a married monger supposed to do???

If I had to give one or the other up (my wife, or mongering), I'd have to give up mongering, and just stick to jerking off to porn, I suppose. But all I know is, I never felt better than when I was mongering last month!

If it weren't for disease, I would have no major problem rationalizing sex with other women, because as I say, I do believe men are not meant to be monogamous and in a sane society, women would accept that men are not monogamous.

But the idea of giving my wife a disease I picked up because I got carried away with some beautiful young girl that I just HAD to eat out, gives me concern. I guess that is the "addiction" part of it - that I cannot stop myself, sometimes, from eating a girl's pussy, if she is hot enough and if she seems clean and smells good, etc... Even though I KNOW that is not a good enough reason to eat her, and I should never eat the pussy of a hooker, or anyone else for that matter. But I am just a guy who loves eating hot young girls' pussies!

So there you go. These are my confessions of sexual addiction.

Nice to know I'm not alone...

I know I'm going to get yelled at for being reckless, so go ahead. But I'm just telling it like it is, and I can only hope that the risk of getting disease from oral sex is over-blown (no pun intended).

Hi Johnny,

Sorry to butt in here, but I just wanted to add my two cents on the "men are not meant to be monogamous" thing. I don't think it has anything to do with your gender - some people are just wired that way. There are millions of women out there who have had numerous affairs. I (and no, I'm not proud of this) am one of them. I've been unfaithful to every man I have ever been with, whether it was one night stands or a full blown affairs lasting for months. It has nothing to do with how much I love my partner or how good or bad the sex is - I'm obviously just a lowdown, dirty slapper. :)

You know, sometimes I can be outrageously horny - to the point where I'm having filthy dreams and getting wet at the sight of scantily clad people in a friggin' beer advertisement - and yet I have absolutely no desire, whatsoever, to have sex with my SO. The only thing that can fix it, is sex with someone new. I don't believe I am 'addicted' to sex - I guess I just have a short attention span. For me, a large part of the turn on IS that its with someone new. And there's just no way that a longterm SO can give me that. That's one of the reasons why I loved hooking so much. Different men, complete strangers, every day.

I've reached that point in my life now where I know what I'm like and I know what I'm capable of (and what I'm not) and I think its probably best for me to just stay single, for my prospective partners' sake. That way I am free to indulge without the constant guilt.

Now all I have to do is talk someone into shagging me!!!!!

RN,

That last sentence sounds like an invite! ;)
BTW, you did mention in a PM that I looked kind of cute in my poses with this [url=http://www.wsgforum.com/vforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1829&perpage=15&pagenumber=3][red]BSW[/red][/url]. Heh heh.

[quote]Even though I KNOW that is not a good enough reason to eat her, and I should never eat the pussy of a hooker, or anyone else for that matter. But I am just a guy who loves eating hot young girls' pussies![/quote]

Johnny Sax,

:)

Peace

RN, What is your take on this whole sexual addiction issue?

Just as casinos can easily spot and know who the problem gamblers are e. g., the ones spending all their money and getting desperate, I assume that you as a former sex worker could spot guys whose mongering was getting out of hand and was affecting their lives and finances.

Do you believe that sex is addictive as some of us say or are you in the camp that believes as a natural function and an instinctual behavior that it can't possibly be addictive as other's have said?

Anyway I've read a bunch of your posts and always enjoy and respect your opinion on issues and would appreciate your opinion on this.

Thanks,

Civ2000

"If I deem it worthy" Civ2000?? Who am I...the Queen of friggin' England?? lol I'm always happy to answer questions. That's why I'm here :) Hmmmm this is a hard one though and to tell the truth, I'm not really sure where I stand.

I'm one of these people with an 'addictive personality' as they say. I can become 'addicted' to things very quickly, and it could be anything from cigarettes to chocolate biscuits. If I enjoy something, I want to do it again and then the more I do it, the more I want it, blah blah blah. I am hopelessly addicted to cigarettes and caffeine - to the point where I have physical symptoms like the shakes and cramps and headaches if I don't get them. I guess I would deem them my only 'true' addictions, because I no longer use these things by CHOICE. I am compelled to smoke even though I have been treated for cancer and have circulatory problems and I desperately...honestly...DO NOT want to be a smoker any more. I can't afford the price of cigarettes and I can't afford the health risks, and yet I do it anyway.

I have met clients that are the same way with sex workers. These men will spend thousands of dollars a month seeing you twice or more a week, and then tell you that they are about to lose their house because they can't pay the mortgage. Some guys go to brothels on their wife's birthday, others drop their wives off at the shops and then run in for a quickie while she's trying on shoes. The length some guys will go to can be pretty extreme. These guys seem to have lost the power of CHOICE as well - they are compelled to feed their addiction even though its impacting negatively on their lives.

To me, that's probably the definition of true addiction - when the addiction takes top priority in your life and you no longer have a choice in the matter.

This is only my opinion, but I would say that only a very small percentage of 'sex addicts' would actually have a true addiction. In my own case, as far as sex goes, I would say I just have no willpower. For example, if I was at a party and someone I was attracted to came onto me and asked me for sex, I would probably head towards the bedroom. But if my husband suddenly walked into the room, I wouldn't go ahead with it. I would regret losing out on the chance - I may even get the other persons number for a later date! - but I would still CHOOSE not to fool around while my husband was there. However, if someone offered to pay for all my food and drinks for the rest of the night, on the condition that I didn't have a single cigarette during that time, I can almost guarantee that I'd end up lighting up within the hour, regardless.

To me, sex with someone new is fun and exciting and dangerous and a totally natural urge. Sometimes when I indulge, I betray someone. Sometimes I put myself in dangerous situations or engage in risky practices. But I wouldn't say I was an addict, because ultimately I COULD have said stop if I'd really wanted to. I just tend to get caught up in the moment. And besides, life is short - why would I choose to say no?? :)

RN, You may not be the Queen of friggin England but you are the Queen of WSG. IMHO, of course. Thanks for your answer. Civ2000

I've got some interesting points to bring to this topic. I believe I have had bouts with sexual addiction as well, but not really until the internet arrived.

I haven't had any relationships or even dated now for almost ten years. I'm just not seeing much out there, and when I do, the person I want isn't available. A few years ago I had no problems going to the saunas, massage and hookups and getting off. But not today. The only way I have been able to get off is joining internet sites, looking at pics and doing live chats. I can't even have sex with a real person anymore. I'm not sure what this is about. It's not getting as out of control as It's been - it seems like I join a new site and am really into it for a few weeks, but then I've seen all the pictures and read all the stories and it's more or less "out of my system" for a few months. Then the cravings come back, I do a new search and join a new site (sometimes with the same damn pictures as the other one!). I had no problems getting off on chatting with someone online until it just became too much work. In the beginning of all this my intent was to meet someone special, then it turned into cybersex, and now it's purely getting me off.

I guess I have been feeling that, a real relationship just isn't going to happen for me, but now it's gotten to - being unable to have sex with a real person either. I do know that it's much safer this way - having sex anonymously I never felt good about, but I am not sure when this borders on unhealthy. I'm not up all night, I'm not spending all my money, and I'm not suffering at school or work.

funny, all those toughts about sex addiction. i always kept in mind that we are programmed to get horny when we see beautifull women.

yes, i fuck a lot of girls and i'm married. yes.. i feel sometimes guilty about it. yes i'm scared that i give my wife a disease. but a definite no. that i feel that i'm a crazy sex-addict. i think that is a feeling that is part of my man-hood. i think it's normal that you feel that you must fuck some of those beautifull woman that are teasing you every day. that's what you're made for. so sometimes i act on that (o well. i mostly pay for it, much easier :) )

well, back to the "programmed to" part:

i think our body reacts strongly to woman (for most men). thats in our system. (leaving the "why" question). the big question is: what are we going to do with this feeling? unfortunualy we (most of us do) live in in highly civilised world. where we have rules, laws, religions, "do and dont's", agreements, peergroup-pressure, taboes etc etc. all those things run into to are heads before we act. then we deside what to do. do you make your own rules our do you live by them? i think i do both, but when i have the money and the opportunity i fuck the girl i want. is that making me a sex-addict? i think that will be your perception of the "do and dont's".

(sorry for the bad englisch.)

the man who loves cuban music

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I cannot agree with PsyberZombie that "Your 'OBSESSION' with Sex will diminish as you age" because as I age, I want it more often. I do need help sometimes with V but I would have a different woman every night (and photgraph the action) if I could afford it. I sometime manage it three times a week, like last week.

I am the total opposite of my father. He has been married for 63 years and has never had sex with another woman even though he was overseas in WW11 for almost 3 years. I want it all the time & my whole life revolves around it. I am single by choice now but when I was married, for some strange reason I remained faithful but it didn't stop me thinking about it.

For me it is an adiction and obsession but I love it.

I think Cuba Music has made a very important point. Whether or not we see our obsession with sex as a 'problem' or not, probably has a lot to do with our attitudes to sex in general. For example a woman who was brought up to believe that she should only have sex with one man - her husband - may feel like a s*ut or a nympho because she wants to have sex with lots of men.

Problem is, as an ex-hooker I'd say I have a pretty darn broad mind when it comes to sleeping around - so maybe my slight obsession with sex is actually a major dysfunction and I just can't see it! LOL

(PS. Your English was fantastic, Cuba Music. I'm trying to learn a second language myself at the moment, and if I ever become as fluent in Gaelic as you are in English, I'll be happy). :)

I think I do have a sexual addiction because:

I am married, I love my wife very much, and yet I still engage in risky behavior with prostitutes. But if I had my choice, I'd rather say "no" to urges to have sex with prostitutes, and possibly get a disease - or worse, give my wife one, and very likely ruin our marriage - which is the best thing that I've ever had in my life...

Yet when I am away from my wife, alone, and I can easily and affordably get a HOT sexy babe to fool around a bit, and have sex with me, I just cannot say no. I suppose I COULD say no, but something inside me (my "little brain"?) makes me feel the need to do it in spite of the dangers, in spite of the risk of getting a disease and passing it to my wife, and in spite of the moral obligation to say no.

I do use a condom, but as I said before, sometimes, if the girl is very clean and if she's very very sexy, I do feel the need to lick her pussy, which is very risky behavior. Yet, despite my telling myself not to, I sometimes get caught up in the heat of the moment, and I say, "Oh what the hell!" and I do it anyway, in spite of the risks.

So this is surely a kind of addiction, and if there were a pill I could take that would allow me to still have sex with my wife yet not want other women, I would take it!

But there is not, and when I can get alone in a place where I can have sex with a beautiful sexy girl (usually a prostitute) I just feel I "have to" have sex; and then when I'm having sex, sometimes I feel I "have to" eat her pussy. I am pretty good at always using a condom for the sex, at least; but as for the oral indulgence, I can't seem to hold back sometimes. I know, too, that the idea of eating a prostitute seems ridiculously risky and even gross to some men. But to me, if she's clean, hasn't had anyone cum inside her without a condom, then I am not bothered by the fact that she's a pro, and I want to eat her if it looks and smells good down there. Giving oral sex is just something I really enjoy. And I have friends who do the same thing with pros!

So I don't know why I"m writing these "confessions". I guess it just feels good to tell someone, and to know there are others who also find themselves in situations where they "can't help it" and participate in risky behavior.

I do agree with you, RN, that many women also cheat on their boyfriends and husbands, and you are right that it is not an instinct just of the male of the human species to "cheat" on their mate. However, I think if you were to do a major poll on the subject you would find that the MAJORITY of men have some sex outside their marriage, while the MAJORITY of women do NOT have sex with men outside of their marriage. I think, though, that this is more of a cultural and societal conditioning than a genetic thing. I think part of this, though, is that the majority of women are not as horny as the majority of men. Men tend to get very worked up over seeing women in short skirts for example, or with cleavage showing, and then they just feel a very strong urge to have sex. I think it's less of an urge for MOST women. I think for men it is instinctual to be attracted to tits and ass, moreso than it is for women to be attracted to a man's body. I think you, RN, are an exception, and there are lots of exceptions like you. But if we are talking about the MAJORITY, I still say men have more of an instinctual urge to have sex outside of marriage, than women do.

But I think if more women were like RN, the world would be a better place! People SHOULD have more sex, and with less games; just sex for sex's sake - even in marriage - such as in open relationships... In fact, I would be open to an open relationship of sorts... But my wife is WAY too conservative! She'd freak out at even the suggestion of thinking about it! I know - I've subtley explored the territory with her...

I admit it would be tough to see her having sex with someone else, or knowing she was doing so. But I think I could deal with it if we agreed to help each other pick our partners, and we kind of did it as a "couple" activity. But to know she was going out with someone else who I didn't even know - that would be tough. On the other hand, if she was going to a prostitute it wouldn't bother me nearly as much as if she was going with a "lover".

Im all over the place on this post, just kind of free-associating on the subject of sex outside of marriage... All I know is, I LOVE having sex with a variety of women! To me, it is one of the most exciting and fun things in life! If it weren't SO DAMNED GOOD, I could probably control it. But it's TOO good to give up!

AND I love my wife, very much, and hope never to have her find out I cheat on her with pros!
(By the way, in my view, having sex with a pro is much less "cheating" than if I were having an "affair" with someone, like at work; because I do not form "relationships" with the pros, I only eff them, maybe have some conversation, maybe some dancing and kissing and hugging if they will; but it's not like I have any emotions invested in them - it's just a purely physical "for fun" thing, as opposed to an affair or "relationship".)

Sorry to add my two cents in but I do not believe that sex is an addiction, if it is than I am an addict. I have two girlfriends, steady, for the past few years. I also like to go out and find girls. Shoot this November I will be going out of the country to hopefully have a few orgies. I think we are just being human and enjoy experiencing the new. Just some of us are able to cover it up better than others, and some are able to supress the urges better. Like my sister she is 20 and has been with this guy for 5 years. She has never cheated on him, though she has fantisized it many times and has even considered it. She just has a stronger will than myself. It is just that some people are more sexual than others.

Cujo

Cujo, Once again you like many others confuse a high libido and sexual addiction. They are not even close. It is normal for a guy to want to bang as many chicks as possible. It is an urge which starts around 12 years of age (give or take) and lasts most of our lives.

Addiction on the other hand is having sex despite it's having lost it's fun. Read Got Time's post. He is broke, has to eat at work, is in serious legal trouble, has lost his driver's license -- all because he can't stop picking up hookers.

Addicts cruise even in the midst of a herpes outbreak, have bill collectors calling the house, have lost wifes and jobs, friends and family, been arrested, are broke, and yet continue to pick up prostitutes everyday.

This is not the healthy, high sexual desire most men have. It is self destructive. If wanting sex all the time is not causing you major life problems then it's not an addiction. Period.

CIV2000: Well I posted that message back in July, I got busted in early June. Thanks for making me sound even more pathetic than I thought I was! Just kidding! If you've been reading my posts in the Los Angeles Section then you will learn that I've calmed down alot lately, mainly because of shitty selection (not into the BSW's so Figueroa is out) and I've been checking my priorities. I had to take the HIV test for the court and was negative, thats good news for everyone in LA. I later recieved a notice in the mail from the city that i was eligible for other medical services at low costs or free if I qualified. I qualified. I started seeing a counselor the first week of August and things have gotten better in my life. I got a new, better job, bought a new car (with dad's help), and started school again. I had gone from 4 times a week to 2 , then once, and now I havent been with a SW in 2 weeks.

The urge is still there, and its strong, but I have to learn to control it. I stay up at night wanting to go out on a drive to my spots but have to resist. Even when I'm in class I ponder "Should I go pick a girl after class?". It's hard , its like trying to stop smoking. I find myself reaching into my pocket and pulling out a $20 bill or two where a couple months ago it wouldn't have been there, so that helps. I KNOW I'm NOT through with SW's but for now I'm taking a break. But believe me it's not easy.

Well now that you put it that way, I must confess that I do not have an addiction then. Sorry. Thanks for the break down of info.

Got Time, I just use you as an example because you remind me so much of myself. Congrats on having two weeks. I've got three weeks today myself and am trying to take a break from it also. I actually haven't had to make a cash machine withdrawl in two weeks. Everytime I open my wallet it's like "wow" I still have money left.

Good Luck!

Civ2000

Hey got time the most I give you and civ2000 is about a month then back to the normal routine. I tried it once and after a month with money in my pocket I just took all the save money and went on an all night fucking fest.

Point is, it’s like a drug. You just can’t stop!

Well I realized I ve just traded in one form of sexual addiction for another. Porn. My sexual addiction started off with porn as a Teenager, then strip clubs as soon as I turned 18, then Pro's
(first did the whole AMP thing in Pomona then SW here in LA.
And the way I've been avoiding going out to a SW lately is I've been diving back into porn cause it keeps my at home. I've been spending a shit load of time down loading it. So I guess what I'm trying to say is that Sexual Addiction has to do with more than actually doing the act, it could also be it being in your head all the time and obsessing over it. Oh and by the way I picked up a girl up last night in the 7th and Union area, so there goes trying to stop cold turkey.

Johnny Sax,
This probably belongs in the safe sex section but I cant help but to comment on your delimma. I love to eat pussy too but am always in the same conflict about desease risk when it comes to providers. In some ways thats been good because it allowed something to still be exclusive between me and my GF and gave me something to look foward to with just her. Lately though I've been finding some really tasty pussy out there that I can no longer refuse. Luckily I found a work-around:

DENTAL DAM. I've never tried the actual product, but I have used NON-microvavable serran wrap as an equivelent alternative which was recommended by an HIV testing clinic. The idea may seem a little akward at first, but in practice I found there was no real loss of fun for either party and I was more comfortable with the act knowing I was protected. Give it a spin, it may be worth you piece of mind.

Remember, microwavable wrap is pourous to allow steam to escape (and can let germs in) so only the non-microvavable kind offers adequite protection.

J Burb

Terrific post, Johnny Sax. You were speaking for me, and no doubt countless others. I'm sitting here typing this knowing I've made arrangements with a young honey for 9PM, just 2 hours from now. I don't want to go (at least my BODY doesn't). My wife is gone for 2 weeks and I'm like a drunk on a bender. Like you, I'm married and value my marriage and all she gives me very much and don't want to lose it. So why do I constantly jeopardize it? I woke up with a bad cold this morning. A non-addict says, "I've got a cold". An addict says, " Shit!! It's sero-conversion taking place. I've got HIV!!" or "I HOPE it not's HIV but maybe it's...." then I run down the list of possible STDs I've contracted because I've had my face buried in the Y of 3 little lovlies this week. It's a constant wrestling match for me. Just after an encounter I swear up and down to myself that I've got to lay off this behavior. It can't end well, I say to myself. You're given a second chance by the universe, a third, fouth and fifth. Then the universe sees that you're not learning a damn thing and that you are, in fact, a fool and puts the hammer down. You (and your wife) get that disease you've been dreading. You get embarrassment, humiliation, divorce (from the Latin meaning getting your balls ripped out through your wallet (thank you Robin Williams)), legal action and the eternal hatred of your now ex-wife, her friends and family. Your life, as you knew and loved it, is now over. The remainder of it is to be used figuring out why you did such stupid shit to begin with. One and a half hours to go now. I'm weakening. I wasn't going to go out tonight but she's SO damn cute! A little thing, petit, from Trinidad. She loves DATY like I love oxygen. And she says the sweetest things to me, too, as I do the dastardly deed. What's the harm, really? I always use a condom but LOVE DATY! Addiction is knowing the risks, and taking them regardless of the consequences. I would never put my Johnson un-sheathed in any woman. But my tongue? Well, she smelled so clean and tasted so fresh, right? I rationalize it by saying that I took all sensible precautions, did not brush or floss too close to the encounter so there'd be no nicked gums and gargled with Listerine right after DATY. Should protect me adequately, right? Yeah, right. One hour to go. I'm losing the battle. Starting to think about wrapping this up, having a shower and a drink, getting ready to go. In all honesty I never had a chance. After all, isn't that what addiction is? Something too big to defeat? Only the strongest do it and I'm not that strong of a man, really. I'll call my wife before I go. Tell her that I love her (the truth). She really does love me too, you know. It's not the sex that I hate. It's the duplicity. The worst of it is waking up in the morning and realizing that you're a fraud and a shitbag, have been for years and it's getting worse, not better. Maybe only a crash can salvage this. I'm terrified of it yet maybe I want it. No I don't. Am I crazy? Let me tell you about sweet little Miss Maraj. She's everything I'm not. Opposites attract, right? She's a fire cracker. Completely extroverted. Dresses like a flamboyant Puerto Rican chica. Shaves clean (she knows I LOVE that). Served 8 years in prison for murdering her abusive husband (yup, I'm going down on a killer tonight..( "But, baby, I'd NEVER hurt YOU !!)) She's smart but uneducated. Simple. Shrewd...Lying between her legs is a joy. She has all the right noises, all the right moves.

Times up! Gotta go. My honey is waiting. Wish me luck. I never had a chance. How does this all end?

Hindsight, I don't think I've ever seen a better post on the subject.

Well Done!

Civ2000

Amen, Hindsight! Beautiful free form prose.
Excellent post.

Guys,

How do you stop this madness? Read about Chanel on the South Bay forum in CA. Heard she has been doing BBA to so many mongers. So what do I do. I go see her. Lucky for me I was able to resist going BBA. I used a rubber. She tried to pour Baby Oil on it to help it slide in but I stopped her in the nick of time. Went back into the pussy and she poured baby oil on her stuff anyways. At least it wasn't so tight so the rubber wasn't broke when I finished. Hopefully nothing seeped through the latex.

Moral of the story, a smart person would avoid this provider but yet I go after her based on the wild stories of others.

I wished I knew how to stop. It's like OCD, you get in this trance with a mission in mind.

Love my fiance but I still got to get my side dishes.

I can't figure.

Ditto Longstroker,

Excellent post, Hindsight.

Mat,

Somebody mentioned that you posted in this room on Chanel. Shame on you. If I were trying to get over sexual addiction, a woman like Chanel would be the last person I would like to hear about!

Plus, I don't mean to be insensative, but wouldn't this be the last place to get help for sexual addiction. Right next to the "Anal Connoisseurs" section?

Sorry, but I think if you want real help, you have to divorce yourself of this and similar web sites. But that is just my opinion.

-Shark-

[quote]
Problem is, as an ex-hooker I'd say I have a pretty darn broad mind when it comes to sleeping around - so maybe my slight obsession with sex is actually a major dysfunction and I just can't see it!
[/quote]

RN,
From reading your posts it does not sound as if you have a major dysfunction. Civ2000 has given a good definition of sex addiction but, if we use an analogy with alcoholism, someone may not be alcoholic but he could still be a "problem drinker". There are highly sexed people like myself, and perhaps yourself, who sometimes run into problems when their sexual desires are in conflict with other areas of their life such as family responsibilties. I was able to break the "mongering habit" a few years ago by joining a certain group. I can't give details on the open forum because it might become possible for someone to identify me. Now that my situation has changed and I have a bit of spare cash, I have once again taken up the delightful hobby.

Tea Boy

[quote]
First off, I too often planned several pops with a pro (prior to the event) but must confess I have never done more than one. Either time constraints, rules or desire get in the way. But never an erection problem.
[/quote]Prokofiev,

As someone new to this forum I am "resurrecting" some old posts, in much the same way that RN would have tried to resurrect one of her clients who came in the first five seconds. While accepting that there probably are a certain number of mongers who are more highly sexed than me for whom it is natural to come twice in a one hour session with a prostitute, I think that for the majority of mongers over 40 the desire to do so is related to a consumerist mindset rather than to sex addiction. We have been conditioned by supermarkets to go for "two for the price of one" offers, irrespective of the quality of the product.

Tea Boy

After this SW (I have had the ho 2 weeks ago and it was all good) did a CBJ on me, I got to look at her pussy and woa, the tell-tale signs of herpes. Did her anyways, quickly and then washed myself real good. She had exceptionally long pubic hair (facilitates the STD bugs) for a Chinese and I'm most always shaved.

This has put me off some and wonder how long I can go without hooker pussy.

[QUOTE=Tea Boy]RN,
There are highly sexed people like myself, and perhaps yourself, who sometimes run into problems when their sexual desires are in conflict with other areas of their life such as family responsibilties. I was able to break the "mongering habit" a few years ago by joining a certain group. I can't give details on the open forum because it might become possible for someone to identify me. Now that my situation has changed and I have a bit of spare cash, I have once again taken up the delightful hobby.

Tea Boy[/QUOTE]

Well Tea Boy then I guess the group thing didn´t help that much!

No seriously I think that your group visits are clearly a way of getting on your feet again if one thinks that the habit is taking too much of our life.

It´s often a money question, a matter that is always limited and that should be regarded with a businessman´s eye. You need cash to make more cash and then you´re ok to go mongering.

Then there is all the social life that has to be checked out continously. I almost lost my face when I got stopped by a local police patrol while runing with a female stranger in my car! That moment might have otten me in tremendous trouble. How to explain our familiy to bail you out in that situation? What a great way of getting one´s file dirty!

Another time it was a friend who caught my eye while stranding the SW scene in Lisbon, hush what a drill to think that we almost met that night and he had a terrific alibi since he lived just around the corner and it was 2 in the morning!

I hope we live tru it without losing control on finances and social enviorment.

At least I am not married and have no children yet and I wonder if the habit is going to draw a definitive line in my life or not. I don´t truley believe in mongers that are married to be really happy when mongering? Why do it if you chose to be that bourgois and elegant as a consistent family father?
What is your child gone think about all trips daddy did if he or she finds out?

Well this is just me thinking about all the posibilities!
Life is great and look out for freebies whatever color, age or status you are.

I know that I am addicted to sex. When sex is so important that whenever you have any kind of money in your pocket and you have to contemplate of weather you want to eat of get pussy that is too much (especially when you choose not to eat). When you can go in a city and burn a a tank of gas a day and not go anywhere but riding in the city, when the only thing on your mind is getting on the internet to find out what the latest post in WSG is so you can go looking for something new you are addicted. I like sex, but what makes me an addict is that sex runs my everyday action. If you ride down a street and see a woman walking and the first thing that you are thinking is I wonder how much it would take to get between those legs. Well I guess that really wouldn't be considered a sexual addition, but more like a mongering addiction. So in short most of us a just addiction to mongering, and like someone mentioned earlier all men in general like sex. Well I don't know about everyone else here, but I need to go and hit the streets to get some.
dhendog

What does addiction look like? As I roam around this board, I feel like I see the answers. I see posts all the time like, "I picked up a very young looking SW who said she was 18 but she didn't have any ID. She gave me a fair CBJ for .30."

I see these types of posts all the time. Now a non-addicted monger wouldn't risk a felony arrest; jail and/or prison time; loss of employment; and having to permanently register as a sex offender merely to get a CBJ, no matter how young and cute the SW appeared. It would just be too much of a risk. He'd pass and find someone who had ID. He wouldn't be so trusting as to risk his life as he knew it.

Another post I recently read was from a monger who picks up SW's in a 60,000 dollar vehicle. Now days a lot of SW's carry drugs, crack pipes and the like and it is instant vehicle forfeiture if it's found in your car; regardless of who it belongs to. Also, he lives in an area where merely picking up a SW can result in vehicle forfeiture. A non-addicted monger would say that a $60,000 bbbj was a tad expensive and pass. To the addict -- he would not hesitate because he really can't say no.

The last example is a monger we all know and love who likes to "jackhammer" SW's in the butt. He never uses protection and has caught the nasties a couple of times this past year. He goes to the Doctor, pops a pill, waits a week, and then goes and barebacks again. The non-addicted says: "this STD thing is crazy, I'm wearing protection or not doing SW's at all." The addicted monger places bareback sex ahead of his health or well-being.

I only read a handful of threads on this board. I'm sure if you look, you could all find numerous examples of the hobby that sound more and more like addiction.

Happy New Year!

Civ2000

I got horny and just HAD to have some sex, so I drove around the streets until I found some hooker. She looked pretty good from a distance so I got closer and she still looked pretty good, so I asked her in the car. I'd seen several patrol cars in the area so I knew they might see me, so when she got in the car and I drove off I looked in my rear view mirror quite often to make sure they didn't follow me.

I told her I'd give her $30 for a blow job if she'd let me see and play with her tits while she did it and so she agreed and we began to drive around looking for a place to park. Everyplace we could find was either brightly lit or there were people walking or standing around. So we drove for like 15-20 min. before we finally decided to park in an pull-in covered-but-no-door garage of an apartment building.

We pulled in and I looked around and then pulled down my pants and she began jacking me off. It felt great but at the same time I was afraid a cop would drive by - we could be seen from the street - and see us and arrest us, or someone who lived there would come to the car next to us and see us and start some shit.

Anyway, at that point, there are no objections that would stop me from getting what I came there to get. So we continued, she put the condom on and sucked me, I undid her blouse and bra and started sucking on and playing with her tits while she sucked me off.

So then she stops and I say "Don't stop now!" but she says she's done enough and needs to get back now. I found out from talking to her before -while we were searching for a parking spot - she was on crystal meth so I knew she was effed up and I wasn't going to get into any shit with her because it wasn't worth it. At least I had enough wits about me to know that it wasn't worth getting into a fight.

So she made me finish myself off while I played with her tits, which I did quickly, and then I pulled up my pants and as I did so I checked my wallet to see how much money I had left.

She says, "That's stupid! Never show a hooker you have more money with you!" I had told her I "only had $30 with me" when we negotiated, so having forgotten that, I said, "Oh, well, I forgot I had some more with me, but I have to buy groceries tonight." And she called me a liar.

All of which goes to show how much potential there was, here, for trouble. The chick had a REALLY BAD attitude once we got going, and she was being a total *****, renigging on our agreement of a blow-job for the money, and then her bailing out on that, mid-bj, her calling me a liar, etc...

On the way back she got out a bag from her purse and started drinking alcohol from a pint bottle she had in there. She probably had her crystal meth in the purse too, and of course, if we'd been busted, they'd have found that and the alcohol in the car and I'd be in BIG trouble.

Yet none of this occurred to me as I went looking for sex, and even when I realized it, before the sex, when she told me she'd been doing meth, I did not stop and let her out and go home and jack off like I should have, instead I just kept going, throwing all caution to the wind.

I dropped her off, felt very dirty from her, and went home and took a shower, washed my penis good and washed my mouth out with tequila and mouthwash.

Two days later, it occured to me: "SHIT! What happened to the condom? Did she take it off and leave it in the passenger seat area, on my wife's side of the car? What if she did, and she finds it? I'd better remember to check it VERY closely as soon as I can, later today!"

So much risk.

I could have lost my car, my license, ended up in jail on possession charges, and worse, I could lose my wife, and/or give her a disease, all because of a fucking 10 minute j.o and blow job from some fucking ***** street hooker!

This is sex addiction because I've had this same experience before, I know the risks, yet I do it again...

I have read a number of posts on how a Hooker pleases her Clients and also what we all expect from the SWs. Have we ever thought that the SWs, with whom we are trying to get GFE, also have desires and want to be loved and caressed. Here are a vew tips on how you can please your Girls so that they enjoy having sex with you and next time you can expect a good discount from her. May be, you can get a free ride, in case she likes you.
Women love guys that go down. Like a blow job for a man, giving head is all about intimacy, trust and having someone worship your most intimate parts.

Getting Started:

• Get the right spots - Know your anatomy: Clitoris, Labia Minora, Labia Majora, Perineum, Mons Pubis.

• Enjoy - There is nothing that will make her come faster than your enjoyment. Be sure to moan and tell her how much you're enjoying yourself.

• Work out your tongue - Trace the alphabet on her clit with your tongue. Mouth L words, curl your tongue and slide it in and out.

• Talk about it - Talk about what you both like and don't. Maybe discuss your favorite oral sex scene in an erotic video.

• Get comfy - Find a place with no distractions where you will have time to explore. But oral sex can be great for a quickie too!

Tips for her to get what she wants:

• Guided Tour - Have her use her fingers to demonstrate her preferred spot and motion.

• Too Much, Too Soon - Don't stimulate too directly in the beginning. Some women new to the sensation are very sensitive. Work your way in to the clit by kissing and licking the inner thighs and vulva.

• Pay Attention - If she is getting there and you make a move to come up - she should get assertive and let you know she's getting close to orgasm.

• Every Woman is Different - What may have worked before, may not now. Hopefully she's communicating to you what she likes, just be sure you're following the directions to HER "Owner's Manual" and not someone else's.

• Pubic Hair Trimming - It may help to identify anatomy as well as make it easier for you to access more of her.

• Scent of a Woman - Perfumes should be used sparingly. It won't taste better than she does. Regular hygiene should do the trick. Taking an erotic bath or shower together first can heighten the arousal. However, if there is an unnaturally bad smell it is probably a sign of infection.

• Taste Test - Taste can vary according to variables such as diet and hormones. Each woman will have her own "brand." Learn to love it...become a connoisseur!

• "Beavers are Gorgeous" - This is your opportunity to get up close and personal. Take in the beauty.

Technique - The Basics:

• Use your whole mouth - Circle around the clit and suck gently, don't just flick. Get your whole mouth involved.

• A Strong Tongue - Try 'em all and see what she responds to...

• Firm dispersed pressure - In any direction on and around the clit.

• Soft sloppy strokes - Side to side with lots of saliva.

• Energetic flicking - Use this sparingly as a stiff tongue may be too hard on the sensitive clit.

• Long prolonged strokes - From above her clit, down to her perineum.

• Sucking - Try varying pressure and start lightly.

• Circle the Clit - Lick underneath, on the shaft, around the hood.

• Get a Rhythm - You won't need to go faster and faster. And don't change position when it's working! Rhythm is important.

• Tongue Fatigue - Replace your tongue with a finger if you need a break.

• Feedback - Keep going until you feel (hear) a response such as groaning, muscle tightening (thighs press to ears), arching of the back, and curling of toes.

• Don't Rush - She will feel your urgency to come up for air. The biggest killer of pleasure.

• Don't Stop - If you can feel her orgasm building.

• Multiply Orgasmic - Some women are much more likely to have prolonged or many orgasms in a row with oral stimulation. Read her signs and keep going even beyond the first orgasm.

Positioning:

• Sit back and Relax - Most couples begin with the woman sitting in a chair or on the bed. This gives full access to the genitals and support to the back so that the woman is relaxed and her hands are free to stimulate herself. The partner performing oral sex can lie or sit facing the woman, free to use his or her hands for stimulation with the fingers.

• The Squat - The woman can squat on all fours or if strong enough just on her legs over her lover's face as she or he is lying down. If she is using her hands to stabilize herself, some prefer this position because it allows her to move her pelvis to accentuate the stimulation.

• The "69" - This position also allows a couple to mutually stimulate one another when it is performed with each partner kneeling over one another at opposite ends. This position can be a bit trickier because it can be difficult to place your tongue right where you want it and it may be more challenging for either one of you to orgasm if you are focused on performing for the other person.

• On "Her" Knees - She can kneel over you, facing forward and have more hip control.

• Standing - Couples who wish to engage in playful dominance-submissive role playing might like to try standing while the other partner performs oral sex on his or her knees.

Advanced Tips:

Tongue Fucking - Make your way away from the clit to the vagina.

Humming - It sends subtle vibrations through the whole area.

Dessert Anyone? - Eating sexy foods off of and out of her can really mix it up.

Mons Massage - The mons is the mound of skin which is found on top the pubic bone above the vaginal opening. Take one or both of your hands and carefully touch the mons and surrounding area much the same way you would massage someone's shoulders. Be careful with the amount of pressure and the broadness of your movements.

Add a Vibe - While licking your lover insert a vibrator or dildo into her vagina.
Breath Mints/Cough Drops - Have a mint or menthol drop in your mouth to give both her and you a refreshing tingle during oral sex.

G-Spot - Get a specially designed vibe to work on not only giving her a clitoral orgasm but a G-Spot one too. You can also use one or two fingers inserted about two inches into the vagina to rub the top wall.

Ass Play - Use your saliva as lube to rub and insert your fingers or butt toy into her anus.

I have practiced the above and many times got laid without paying even a single Penny. My girls, once satisfied with me, have treated me quite well and offer good healthy diet, after I performed my skills on them.

Johnny Sax,

Don't know if you're a very experienced street monger, but you took so many extra unnecessary risks I lost count. It appeared the game you played was [b]trying to get caught[/b]. Illicit sex just seems to be the modus. My recommendation to you is to either stick to AMPs or similar establishment or study up here the art of dealing with SWs. For that I refer you to the posts of our esteemed and dear departed Trash Man in Baltimore, Maryland. He's been gone for about a year so search back a ways.


All wet,

While your intentions may be sincere, the last thing I want to do is go down on a SW. I'd rather lick a septic tank.

Robux

I know 2 Indian Girls studying in U.S. and they sometimes invite me to spend the night with any of them. I usually pay them $ 125 for the whole night and $ 200 for three some. They are from good families and not pro/Street *****s, and do it for some money usually once or twice a week. I always have wonderful GFE with these two. Last month, I was with one of these two girls and I was surprised to note my Girl gushing. Earlier this never happens during oral stimulation of her clitoris. During vaginal intercourse it’s a different story. I was amazed the 1st time this happened. I’ve never been w/a woman that was able to cum excreting fluids such as this. She looked at me & asked if that was me, I said “NO”. She just smiled & said “I know it was me & WOW!!!” She explained to me that it had never happened to her before, that I was the only man that has ever brought her to such a massive orgasm. This only happens in specific positions. Now it’s a goal of mine to bring her to as many fluid orgasms as possible. We double up three towels under us to absorb all of her cum that she excretes. Absolutely awesome. I’ve never been able to get into a position in which I was able to pull out & have her cum in my mouth.

A few weeks ago she was on top & we were very intimate, she had already had at least 7 orgasms & 5 were very fluid. We were absolutely soaked in her love juices. So much to the point it was splattering in my face as she pounced up & down on me. On one of her fluid orgasms I had her pull off & slide up on my face. Her love juices were dripping all over my chest. I had her set on my face as I licked her vagina. Oh my what a mess we made.

So I guess the answer is yes I would drink her love juices.

I wonder how many woman are capable of cummin in such a manner as to saturate their partner in their love juices. I know of this one for sure.

Now, I would like to know whether any of you have experienced such situation with any of your Girls or SWs/Hooker, as most of you are all practicing 69 position regularly.

Deep Wet, While I enjoy reading your posts, I find it hard to understand how they are related to sexual addiction. I suggest you post them elsewhere., perhaps under "oral sex." Unless of course you are saying your sex addiction has progressed to the point where you are swallowing the love juice of hookers with no regards to the multitude of diseases you may be ingesting.

I think Deep Wet should be encouraged, the boards haven't fiction of this caliber since Lefty stopped posting.

Hi,

I guess sexual addition is more on the needs and urge to have sex more often than other and with the need of having it with difference partners.

I am from HKG and i use to travel with my mate to look for partners that we dont know just because we want to have sex and keep it a secrect to us.

My place is Singapore and Malaysia where we go for single or couples that we meet at the lounge or pub .

These place are not sex heaven like Thai and Phil so is safer and cleaner.

Any ones who is interest to join us in Malaysia 10 -15 Aug can PM me.

We prefer caucasian and age below 40 in KL

Sexual expression is a natural part of a well-rounded life. But if you have an overwhelming need for sex and are so intensely preoccupied with this need that it interferes with your job and your relationships, you may have a problem.

You may spend inordinate amounts of time in sexually related activities and neglect important aspects of your day-to-day life in social, occupational and recreational areas. You may find yourself failing repeatedly at attempts to reduce or control your sexual activities or desires.

Health experts use a number of labels for this potentially serious condition. It's sometimes called hypersexuality, nymphomania, erotomania or perversion. Some doctors call it sexual obsession. Others use the term sexual addiction, comparing it with the uncontrolled use of a drug. Others argue that it's an issue of impulse control or obsessive-compulsive behavior.

No matter what name is attached to the behavior, compulsive sexual behavior is a very real affliction that interferes with everyday living. The disorder is most common among men. While it's difficult to accurately assess the number of people with this disorder, experts estimate that as many as one in 20 people in the United States exhibits compulsive sexual behavior.

Signs and symptoms

Sexual behavior becomes a problem and is considered compulsive when it's repeated often enough to interfere with your normal daily living and with your relationships. If your sexual behavior is compulsive, you may display it in a number of ways, including:

Having multiple sexual partners or extramarital affairs
Having sex with a succession of anonymous partners or prostitutes, and treating them as objects to be used for sex
Using commercial sexually explicit phone lines and Internet chat rooms
Engaging in excessive masturbation, as often as five to 15 times a day
Using pornographic materials frequently
Engaging in masochistic or sadistic sex, such as experiencing sexual excitement by inflicting or receiving pain during sex
Exposing yourself in public
Feeling compelled to engage in sexual activity when you're stressed, anxious or depressed.

Many people who are sexually obsessed are married and appear to live otherwise normal lives. They often lead double lives and may have difficulty establishing and maintaining emotional intimacy.

Sexually obsessive behavior tends to be chronic, intense and beyond your control. Although you may seek gratification through sexually compulsive behavior, you're unlikely to achieve fulfillment over the long term. In fact, you may feel that your life is becoming increasingly empty. People with compulsive sexual behavior often use sex as an escape from other problems, such as loneliness, depression, anxiety or stress.

Causes

Many experts believe that other psychological disorders underlie sexual obsessions and compulsions. Sexual obsession may be a maladaptive coping mechanism for other emotional problems, including mood and personality disorders.

For example, if you grew up in a dysfunctional family or were sexually, emotionally or physically abused as a child, you may have developed an unhealthy attitude toward sex. These early traumatic experiences may lead you to feel shameful and unworthy, emotions that can inhibit normal sexual expression and intimacy and can result in extremes in sexual activity.

If you're feeling lonely and depressed, you may perceive your sexual compulsions as a way of filling the voids in your life. But even if compulsive sexual behavior brings you short-term relief, your negative feelings are likely to return, often at an intensified level.

In some cases, compulsive sexual behavior can be caused by a neurologic disorder, such as epilepsy or Alzheimer's disease.

When to seek medical advice

Most people with compulsive sexual behavior need professional treatment. Attempts at self-care are usually unsuccessful because, by definition, a sexual compulsion tends to be beyond a person's control.

Some questions you can ask yourself are:

Can I control my sexual behavior?

Is my sexual behavior hurting my relationships with friends and family, affecting my ability to work, or resulting in negative consequences, such as getting arrested?
Is sex constantly on my mind, even when I don't want to be thinking about it?
If you're concerned that you're obsessed with sex, look for a doctor who specializes in treating sexual behavior disorders. Your family doctor may be able to give you the name of such a specialist, or you can contact a nearby major medical center and ask for a referral.

Complications

If you experience sexual obsessions and compulsions, you run the risk of wide-ranging negative consequences. For example, you may:

Neglect your partner or become deceitful in your marriage or other primary relationship. This can jeopardize or destroy the relationship.

Accumulate large financial debts in pursuing your sexual impulses by spending money on prostitutes, pornography and phone-sex lines.

Contract sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) and place other partners at risk.
Be arrested for sexual offenses, such as exhibitionism or solicitation of prostitution.
Lose your focus at work, risking your job.

Cause an unwanted pregnancy.

Engage in other high-risk behaviors, such as abuse of drugs or alcohol.

Feel shame and guilt over your inability to control socially unacceptable behaviors that interfere with normal relationships.

Treatment

A number of treatments are available for compulsive sexual behavior:

Psychological treatment. Individual or group therapy helps many people manage their sexual obsessions. In therapy you can begin to acknowledge that sex should be part of a loving relationship. You also can start to deal effectively with developmental or interpersonal issues instead of acting out in a sexual manner. Doctors sometimes recommend inpatient treatment, but most people do well in outpatient settings. Support from family and friends can help in the recovery process.

Marriage counseling. Marriage counseling is often necessary to help resolve the relationship problems that arise from sexual obsession.

Recurrent failure to resist sexual impulses.
More extensive/longer sexual acting out than intended.
Ongoing, but unsuccessful, efforts to stop, reduce, or control behavior.
Inordinate time spent obtaining sex, being sexual, or recovering from sexual experiences.
Feeling preoccupied with sexual behavior and/or preparatory activities.
Acting out takes significant time away from obligations: occupational, academic, domestic, or social.

Continuation of behavior despite consequences:
Risk of VD
Lost partner or had marital problems
Lost rights to be with children
Career problems
Risk arrest

Tolerance - More frequency or intensity of behavior is needed over time to obtain the desired result.

Deliberately limiting social, occupational, or recreational activities to keep time open for acting out.

Distress, restlessness, or irritability if unable to do behavior (withdrawal)
Dizziness
Body aches
Headaches
Sleeplessness
Restlessness
Anxiety
Mood swings
Depression

A minumum of 3 of the above 10 needed are needed for sex addiction to be considered present. Most sex addicts have 5 signs, while over 50% have 7.

Hello All,

It seems like this thread is dead more than likely because most men will not or cannot admit they are addicted to sex with women.
When your penis is making decisions your brain should be making, its inevitable that you'll make a fool out of yourself.
Sexual addiction can cloud your judgement, make you easily influenced by a pair of T&A, and eventually friends will question your judgement and rationale.
Please feel free to voice any opinions!

Interesting 15 min documentry.

[url]http://www.metacafe.com/watch/136754/girl_addicted_to_sex_a_true_story/[/url]

[QUOTE=Mattrick]It seems like this thread is dead more than likely because most men will not or cannot admit they are addicted to sex with women.
...
Please feel free to voice any opinions![/QUOTE]
OK, allow me to play Devil's Advocate. Could it be that the whole concept of "sex addiction" is flawed? If someone wants or has an above-average amount of sex, instead of saying something's wrong with them, why not say they are normal, or even gifted?

Then, if there are some associated problems (health, financial, legal, etc.), why not just address those problems separately from the question of how much sex a person wants or gets?

To make an analogy, suppose a guy has a passion for cars, and drives a lot for pleasure. Then, he gets injured due to driving too fast and not wearing seatbelts. Maybe he doesn't need to reduce how much he drives, he just needs to be smarter about safety. And if he buys cars that break his budget, then maybe he just needs to improve his skill at budgeting, and buy cheaper cars.

Or, if a guy likes to compose music, and gives up his corporate job, maybe even his marriage, to focus on that, then of course we can say that it has disrupted his life, but why not just let him do what he wants? If he starts stealing to support himself, it doesn't necessarily mean he needs to focus less on music, he just needs to find a better funding alternative to stealing.

Does that make any sense? I just want to see if we can look at this another way, by removing the "sex is bad" assumption. I would similarly question the validity of the concept of "workaholism" which I think is a non-issue (unless the person in question says he has a problem). If a person really wants to spend a lot of time working, composing, driving, or sexing, then why not just help them find a way to accomplish their goal safely and soundly, rather than try to persuade them to do less of what they're passionate about?

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This is in reply to a recent post by Turbo Pascal.

I don't believe there really is such a thing as sex-addiction. Not anymore than you could be addicted to walking, drinking or breathing air.

Sexual intercourse is THE great motivator of the human species. People like to think that they are so intelligent, spiritual and rational, but we aren't. We're just a bunch of talking monkeys. Don't believe me? Well, all the things that are important to a monkey are the same things that are important to humans. Food, security, status within one's social group and choice of reproductive partner/s.

We're genetically geared towards getting laid as much as we can with as many partners as we can. This is particularly true for men. Wolves howl at the moon.... do we say they are addicted to howling? Do we label them obsessive-compulsive? Obviously not, it's what they do.... it's their NATURE.

The following items were given as criteria for sexual addiction:

1.Recurrent failure to resist sexual impulses.
2.More extensive/longer sexual acting out than intended.
3.Ongoing, but unsuccessful, efforts to stop, reduce, or control behavior.
4.Inordinate time spent obtaining sex, being sexual, or recovering from sexual experiences.
5.Feeling preoccupied with sexual behavior and/or preparatory activities.
6.Acting out takes significant time away from obligations: occupational, academic, domestic, or social.

Response:

1. Why would I WANT to resist my sexual impulses? If anything, that would seem to be unnatural.
2. You're having fun, hey let's keep this party going!
3. This would seem to be a repeat of #1.
4. Again, sex/being sexual is a normal, integral part of my psycho-social makeup, so it follows that these activities account for a significant amount of my spare time.
5. Research has shown that people, on average, think about sex, or feel a sexual impulse of some sort..... several times an hour ALL DAY LONG. Are we then all sex addicts?
6. If someone is out chasing pussy instead of working, it's because that's their priority. I spend a fair amount of time at work. However, that does not mean that I'm addicted to work, or money for that matter. If I could have a reasonable standard of living without working, I could quit my job tomorrow.

Most people would act like sex maniacs if it weren't for the social oppositions towards that kind of behavior. Don't believe me? Try book a 2 week tour in Jamaica with Hedonism. Anonymity nullifies social restrictions. The result? You'll see men AND women doing whatever, whenever, with whoever.

Sex is a key part of who we are. It is the underlying motivation for much of what we do. It is genetic and natural. There is no such thing as sexual addiction. So-called sex-addicts are merely people who have different priorities that don't want to take responsibility for the choices that they make.

Rock

Sexual addiction is when your dick does your thinking for you.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Sexual addiction is when your dick does your thinking for you.[/QUOTE]
Not really. Sometimes my dick does the thinking, sometimes my brain, sometimes other parts. It's called democracy.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger]Sexual addiction is when your dick does your thinking for you.[/QUOTE]

Of course I'm addicted :)

Even more if i see a teen pussy unshaved.. some fetish :) :)

More and more if I take anally a teen :D

Chocha Monger you might think I'm a pervert! Of course you are right!

Bye

IT
I'll talk on my sexual dreams (addiction) next time.

[QUOTE=Rock Dog]This is in reply to a recent post by Turbo Pascal.

I don't believe there really is such a thing as sex-addiction. Not anymore than you could be addicted to walking, drinking or breathing air.

Sexual intercourse is THE great motivator of the human species. People like to think that they are so intelligent, spiritual and rational, but we aren't. We're just a bunch of talking monkeys. Don't believe me? Well, all the things that are important to a monkey are the same things that are important to humans. Food, security, status within one's social group and choice of reproductive partner/s.

We're genetically geared towards getting laid as much as we can with as many partners as we can. This is particularly true for men. Wolves howl at the moon.... do we say they are addicted to howling? Do we label them obsessive-compulsive? Obviously not, it's what they do.... it's their NATURE.

The following items were given as criteria for sexual addiction:

1.Recurrent failure to resist sexual impulses.
2.More extensive/longer sexual acting out than intended.
3.Ongoing, but unsuccessful, efforts to stop, reduce, or control behavior.
4.Inordinate time spent obtaining sex, being sexual, or recovering from sexual experiences.
5.Feeling preoccupied with sexual behavior and/or preparatory activities.
6.Acting out takes significant time away from obligations: occupational, academic, domestic, or social.

Response:

1. Why would I WANT to resist my sexual impulses? If anything, that would seem to be unnatural.
2. You're having fun, hey let's keep this party going!
3. This would seem to be a repeat of #1.
4. Again, sex/being sexual is a normal, integral part of my psycho-social makeup, so it follows that these activities account for a significant amount of my spare time.
5. Research has shown that people, on average, think about sex, or feel a sexual impulse of some sort..... several times an hour ALL DAY LONG. Are we then all sex addicts?
6. If someone is out chasing pussy instead of working, it's because that's their priority. I spend a fair amount of time at work. However, that does not mean that I'm addicted to work, or money for that matter. If I could have a reasonable standard of living without working, I could quit my job tomorrow.

Most people would act like sex maniacs if it weren't for the social oppositions towards that kind of behavior. Don't believe me? Try book a 2 week tour in Jamaica with Hedonism. Anonymity nullifies social restrictions. The result? You'll see men AND women doing whatever, whenever, with whoever.

Sex is a key part of who we are. It is the underlying motivation for much of what we do. It is genetic and natural. There is no such thing as sexual addiction. So-called sex-addicts are merely people who have different priorities that don't want to take responsibility for the choices that they make.

Rock[/QUOTE]


Basically I think you are completely right, but some reasons are more deep... I'll get back soon, it has to do with culture, religion, the place where you live and even more...

By the way Americans, generally speaking, have different opinions from Europeans on this item (see State laws on anal sex in the US).

IT

This is real addiction:

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Yeah...I have only one problem with sexual addiction IT ENDS :D

a good reading:

when i take the sexual addiction screening test (s.a.s.t.) it tells me that i am 96% likely to be a “sex addict”. the test consists of a list of simple questions found in the book. contrary to love, one of the bibles of the ‘sex addiction movement’. this book written by patrick carnes ph.d., published in 1989, popularized the concept of ‘sex addiction’, and made it a household term.

carnes describes a sex addict as someone who “experiences little pleasure, often feels despair in the middle of sex, lives a secret life surrounded by a web of lies, can’t control their sexual behavior, has delusional thought patterns and reality distortion. a sex addict frequently does or fantasizes sexual things s/he doesn't like. a sex addict is someone whose sexual behavior has become unstoppable despite serious consequences, someone whose sexual behavior and thoughts have become vastly more important than their relationships, family, work, finances, and health, someone whose sexual behavior doesn't reflect her/his highest self, etc.”. (1) according to the national association of sexual addiction problems, 6% or 1 out of 17 americans are sexual addicts.’ that's about 14 million people. (2) before the term sex addict came onto the scene, there was no such animal. the closest thing we had was “nymphomania, satyriasis, don juanism, perverts, sex fiends, and various other terms for sexual misfits.”

let’s examine some of the questions in the s.a.s.t., and i will comment on them. carnes says that the more ‘yes’ answers to these questions, the higher possibility the person is a sex addict.

1. have you subscribed to sexually explicit magazines like playboy or penthouse?
(this question assumes that an interest in seeing naked women, or people having sex is a bad thing. some people simply enjoy nude photos and reading articles about sex and without any negative effects.)

2. do you often find yourself preoccupied with sexual thoughts?
(compared to what exactly; once a minute, once an hour, once every day? this is so nebulous. to think about sex often is absolutely common.)

3. do you feel that your sexual behavior is not normal?
(what is ‘normal’? compared to what? ‘normal’ has a very narrow connotation. normal can be extremely limiting, unsatisfying and even unnatural for some people.)

4. are any of your sexual activities against the law? (this question assumes that all illegal sexual activities are a bad thing, as opposed to maybe there are some bad laws. perhaps some sexual activities shouldn’t be against the law, like oral and anal sex and prostitution.)

5. have you ever felt degraded by your sexual behavior? (it is likely that anyone who has lived a full and active sex life has likely felt degraded at one time or another by a sexual experience. perhaps this is normal, as well as common.)

6. has sex been a way for you to escape your problems?

(in fact, sex can be an excellent and healthy way to have some relief from problems on occasion.)

7. when you have sex, do you feel depressed afterwards?

(sex can help a person get in touch with feelings. sometimes a person can feel depressed after sex, but this is not necessarily bad. plus this doesn’t mean the sex is the depressing part. the depression might come from dissatisfaction with the person they are having sex with, there may be unfulfilled expectations, or maybe there’s a problem communicating, or other such problems.)

8. do you feel controlled by your sexual desire? (we are biologically programmed to desire sex. perhaps very strong sexual desire is appropriate and beneficial.) etceteras.

there have been plenty of heated debates as to whether the sexual addiction concept is helpful or destructive, especially in the sex therapy community. sexologist marty klein is adamantly against the idea. “the concept of ‘sex addiction’ really rests on the assumption that sex is dangerous. there's the sense that we frail humans are vulnerable to the devil's temptations of pornography, masturbation, and extramarital affairs, and that if we yield, we become ‘addicted.’ without question, being a sexual person is complex, and we are vulnerable--to our sex-negative heritage, shame about our bodies, and conflict about the exciting sexual feelings we can't express without risking rejection. sexuality per se, however, is not dangerous--no matter how angry or frightened people are. professional sexologists should reject any model suggesting that people must spend their lives

1) in fear of sexuality's destructive power;
2) being powerless about sexuality;
3) lacking the tools to relax and let sex take over when it's appropriate. the sexual addiction movement is not harmless. these people are missionaries who want to put everyone in the missionary position.” (3)

the currently used college text book, our sexuality explains it this way: “the criteria often used to establish alleged sub-conditions of hypersexuality-nymphomania and satyriasis—are subjective and value laden. therefore these terms are typically defined moralistically rather than scientifically, a fact that has generated harsh criticism from a number of professionals.” (4)

although i ‘test positive’ as a sex addict, if i read carne’s description of what a sex addict is like and what she/he experiences, i certainly don’t fit the description whatsoever. the test is definitely extremely flawed. the unfortunate thing is that plenty of people don’t see the flaws, or even question the validity of such a test. sex addiction often makes a disease out of what is often quite reasonable sexual behavior. it emphasizes negative aspects of sex. it takes away some of the personal responsibility for sexual choices and blames problems on a ‘disease’. it offers simple solutions to complex problems. marty klein points out that, “sex addiction legitimizes sex-negative attitudes and supports sexual guilt.” it can make people feel badly if they simply have an active and varied sex life. sex addiction can be used as a way to put down socially disapproved of behavior. sometimes sex is blamed for various other problems; loneliness, frustration, lying, destructive behavior, etc. some people find that taking on the sex addict label increases the struggle they are having with problematic sexual behaviors. as jack morin puts it, “conflict is fuel for the compulsion.” (5) it labels a behavior as either good or bad, and there is no in-between.

generally a 12-step program modeled after alcoholics anonymous, or one-on-one therapy is used to treat ‘sex addicts’. there are groups such as sexaholics anonymous, sex and love addicts anonymous, sexual addicts anonymous, and sexual abuse anonymous. these groups are very popular and they do appear to help many people find some relief for their problems. it is interesting to note that sexual addiction therapy is also a multi-million dollar industry. many one on one therapist benefit from this concept.

there are no exact ways of measuring if someone is a ‘sex addict’. for example gloria steinem called president clinton a ‘sex addict’ after his affair with monica lewinsky. but jack morin points out that “poor judgement is not a sex addiction. extramarital sex is not a sex addiction. having a secret erotic life is not a sex addiction.” there is no way to really know if clinton is a sex addict or not.
shame seems to be part of what determines sex addiction. i’m reminded of the story of when some nude photos of vanessa williams were published in penthouse. she was totally ashamed, humiliated, and gave up her miss america crown. a couple of years later when nude photos of madonna were published in penthouse, madonna’s response was “so what”, and she apparently wasn’t ashamed at all. by not have shame about her nude photos, they couldn’t and didn’t hurt her. perhaps they enhanced her career. what is a sexual nightmare for one person, can be non-issue for another. it is questionable whether a sex addict has any more or any different kinds of sex than someone who simply has an active and varied sex life. shame may largely be what makes the difference.

addictionologists say that a sex addict ‘uses sex to lift moods, to seek validation, to soothe feelings of loneliness, for intrigue and adventure, to go into altered states of consciousness…” perhaps, in fact, these are perfectly valid reasons to have sex.

granted, there are millions of people with severe sexual problems that feel out of control, people who are very conflicted about their sexual activities. some people are drawn to very dangerous and destructive behaviors. some sex acts can have extremely negative consequences. a person’s sexual compulsion can be incompatible with a particular intimate relationship. there are very real and serious problems that need to be addressed. but the question is if pathologizing these problems makes matters worse instead of better. perhaps sexual ‘compulsion’ or ‘problem’ or ‘challenge’ are better terms than sexual ‘addiction’.

many people find the whole concept of sex addiction quite ridiculous, even an oxymoron of sorts. there are some folks who call themselves sex addicts with great pride. ironically if you do an internet search for sexaddiction.com, you get a web site that sells porn movies. needless to say, it is probably a very prosperous site.

end

footnotes
1. carnes ph.d., patrick. contrary to love—helping the sexual addict.
2. klein, marty. website.
3. ibid.
4. crooks, robert and baur, karla. our sexuality (p. 562-563)
5. morin, jack. eros and compulsion: a paradoxical view of sex addiction. iashs lecture on feb 8, 2000

bibliography
source ([url]http://www.anniesprinkle.org/html/writings/sex_addiction.html[/url])
carnes ph.d., patrick. contrary to love—helping the sexual addict. compcare publishers, minneapolis. 1989.
carnes ph.d., patrick. out of the shadows—understanding sexual addiction. minneapolis. 1983.
crooks, robert and baur, karla. our sexuality (seventh edition), brooks/cole publishing, 1999 (p. 562-563)
sex and love addicts anonymous. first edition. the augustine fellowship. boston. 1986.

web sites
[url]www.sexaddict.com[/url]
[url]www.sexaddicted.com[/url] (xxx site)
[url]http://www.sexed.org/arch/arch08.htm[/url] marty klein’s website.

videos
morin, jack. eros and compulsion: a paradoxical view of sex addiction. iashs lecture on feb 8, 2000.

FBI Leads Search for Missouri Dad Who Took 3 Kids to El Salvador

"Family members told FOXNews.com that they believe Hundley is engaged in questionable sexual activities, and that they fear the children could become victims of a [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] or child prostitution ring."
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The mother came on FOX and said he liked to go on porn web sites like ISG.
I hope this does not result in negative attention. ISG is not a porn site.

Dr. X Man:

You've made some excellent, well-reasoned, well-articulated points. You're doing a lot better than I am, which would be to tell someone who has the time to worry about whether person X is a sex addict or not to *get a fucking life.*

If a person has consensual sex with an another human being who is of legal age-- who the fuck cares? Who the fuck needs to know?

Psychologists (and they are the only ones who run around dreaming up these odd diagnoses, since psychiatrists are too busy dealing with people that really are sick to worry about such obscure shit) just do this since if there are not people with issues that need to be diagnosed, then they don't have jobs. And there are lots of psychiatrists out there that are looking for jobs.

My point of view is you own your body as long as you are a responsible mature adult you want to smoke fine, you want to drink fine, you love hoes fine as long as you do not hurt others. Your freedom ends where your neighbor's begins. I think prostitution even drugs should be legal but not in public. You want to use them fine but do not have sex in public that's offending. You would not want your children watching two humping each other.

Honest, full service, safe sex (sexwork) should be the accepted norm. Countries that doesn't have the legal repressive issues as in the U.S. ads are usually honest, prices quoted are real - not the U.S. rip offs and scams. In general prices are far lower than in the U.S. since they don't have to include the large legal risk premium. Also there are more providers, choosing sexwork for the right reasons, since there is not the legal risk.

Everyone should have access to reasonable priced sexual relief of that normal sexual tension or sexual variety that is natural, from professional, caring, honest providers.

In most every country except the U.S. such services are legally available and not any big deal. U.S. laws are controlled by a religious agenda that has no biblical basis, only false traditions of sexual repression that have been incorporated into laws to deny healthy sexual service options. Those that oppose sexwork the most often are the ones participating in it but their guilt makes them lash out against it. They seek to deny everyone the healthy sexual services they are not suppose to enjoy based on their perverted traditions, that are lies with no legitimate basis.

Yes, even in the U.S. there are many great honest providers. But it is sometimes hard to find them among all the scams. Organized crime is also an issue in the U.S., while in other countries simply is no "crime" to "organize"!

I am being oppressed and then being blamed as the bad guy so that I am too ashamed to speak out about the oppression. By making what I need illegal and just out of reach, it keeps me spending my money making Vice into BIG BUSINESS. Sex is a need. Just like any other bodily function. Both physically and mentally.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Dr. X Man:

You've made some excellent, well-reasoned, well-articulated points. You're doing a lot better than I am, which would be to tell someone who has the time to worry about whether person X is a sex addict or not to *get a fucking life.*

If a person has consensual sex with an another human being who is of legal age-- who the fuck cares? Who the fuck needs to know?

Psychologists (and they are the only ones who run around dreaming up these odd diagnoses, since psychiatrists are too busy dealing with people that really are sick to worry about such obscure shit) just do this since if there are not people with issues that need to be diagnosed, then they don't have jobs. And there are lots of psychiatrists out there that are looking for jobs.[/QUOTE]

Thanks I wrote the other reported but forget to thank you.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782]Dr. X Man:

You've made some excellent, well-reasoned, well-articulated points. You're doing a lot better than I am, which would be to tell someone who has the time to worry about whether person X is a sex addict or not to *get a fucking life.*[/QUOTE]

[blue]Greetings Everyone,

I left this post in for everyone's amusement, but obviously I'm going to delete this guy's membership for proselytizing (and I know that many of you have never heard this word before).

Thanks,

Jackson

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Don't be promiscuous (having or engaging in casual, random sexual)

Sex is the means by which the race projects itself into the future through children and the family. A lot of pleasure and happiness can come from sex: nature intended it that way so the race would go on. But, misused or abused, it carries with it heavy penalties and punishments: nature seems to have intended it that way also.

3-1. Be faithful to your sexual partner. Unfaithfulness on the part of a sexual partner can heavily reduce one's survival. History and the newspapers carry floods of instances of the violence of human passions aroused by unfaithfulness. "Guilt" is the milder evil. Jealousy and vengeance are the greater monsters: one never knows when they will cease to sleep. It is all very well to speak of "being civilized" and "uninhibited" and "understanding"; no talk will mend ruined lives. A "feeling of guilt" is nowhere near as sharp as a knife in the back or ground glass in the soup.

Additionally, there is the question of health. If you do not insist upon faithfulness from a sexual partner, you lay yourself open to disease. For a very brief period, it was said that sexual diseases were all under control. This is not now the case, if it ever was. Incurable strains of such diseases now exist.

The problems of sexual misbehavior are not new. The powerful religion of Buddhism in India vanished from there in the seventh century. According to its own historians the cause was sexual promiscuity in its monasteries.

More modernly, when sexual promiscuity becomes prevalent in an organization, commercial or otherwise, the organization can be seen to fail. No matter how civilized their discussions about it, families shatter in the face of unfaithfulness.
The urge of the moment can become the sorrow of a lifetime. Impress those around you with that and safeguard your own health and pleasure.

Sex is a big step on the way to happiness and joy. There is nothing wrong with it if it is followed with faithfulness and decency.

[url]http://thewaytohappiness.org/[/url]

of course i have to joke a little bit with you interesting, but serious, report… and on ground jackson leave to us this (just here under) nice report… ah ah… i can tell you this:

1) it’s wrong… i did not. internet is enough. and then i see the teens on the street… just thinking (on the basis of how tall, how old, how big, bra etc.) how i have to nail them… in which position and which hole… do not think they have three… i would like to start japanese nose cumming :d
2) once a second… practically always!
3) of course not… some of my favourites (all experimented, i do not know for not experimented ones!). i love to feel the taste of a teen pussy when kissing on the mouth young bi lady… i love role plays where the girl gets taken anally with force… one of the best i can see is a teen cleaning up the face of a girl friend after my cof…
4) depends on where you are… in many places i would be out of law because i love to engage 18-19 y.o. girls in heavy sodomy, usually with cof or, even better, swallowing all the load! if they are two cum swapping!!
5) absolutely not but i like to degrade the girls, by anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] role games cim, cof, eye cum (you can see my pics of iriska in russia section, just search for iriska), and of course toy games with wide dilatations…
6) of course it’s the only thing where i have no problems… because usually i’m hire for solving the problems made by others…
7) absolutely yes… even with cialis, and a sleeping break at the 7th, 8th shot i’m dead for several hours… why can’t we make orgasms like girls… if you are skilly you can even get the so aroused that they get multiple ones! :(
8) of course. sometimes when i arrive in moscow i don’t even have my room at the hotel that valentina (my anal queen) is already sitting in the lobby (unfortunately still unplugged!)

i do not want to go through a program la aa… i just want a nice girl giving me the wake up as i like… bbbj + cim + swallowing all the load…

looking at the first link…”is your spouse a sex addict…” unfortunately she was not. one of my fiancées was… and i raped her several times a day… mostly anally!

by the way if somebody here has a nice spouse and cant’t turn her to a sex addict… i might help, free of charge of course…

in the site there is a some nice sentences…
“sex abuse 3-day intensives held at heart to heart counseling center in colorado springs, colorado are available most mondays through wednesdays. you can call to schedule your intensive at (719)…” if they need volunteers for the female young section, i’m here. can take the plane tomorrow!!! :d

of course it was all a joke… but my sexual thinks are always to nice teens being (with their consent) really anally abused… something i love, like the taste of a young clean pussy. specially if russian.

happy fucking.

it

ps by the way the site the way to happiness (without sex) is something crazy... cant simply find where the immorality of sex between to consent adults is.. its very simple...

[quote=it travel]...absolutely not but i like to degrade the girls, by anal [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] role games cim, cof, eye cum (you can see my pics of iriska in russia section, just search for iriska), and of course toy games with wide dilatations…[/quote]i understand buddy.

i love to anally [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] my 4'10", 18-year-old, dominican "girlfriend." taking her from behind and riding her like an animal. pulling her hair as if it were the reigns to a race horse.

forcible anal sex is so pleasurable that i've started to organize a gang "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" club, whose sole mission is to defile and debase the local female teens and tourists of boca chica, dominican republic in organized sex parties and gang bangs.

-helpmann :cool:

[quote=helpmann]i understand buddy.

i love to anally [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] my 4'10", 18-year-old, dominican "girlfriend." taking her from behind and riding her like an animal. pulling her hair as if it were the reigns to a race horse.

forcible anal sex is so pleasurable that i've started to organize a gang "[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]" club, whose sole mission is to defile and debase the local female teens and tourists of boca chica, dominican republic in organized sex parties and gang bangs.

-helpmann :cool:[/quote]

perfect size... good if she has ponytail or pigtails... even better to take her doggy holding her arms, so she is complete under your control, the reason i prefer missionary.... (and i gets deeper too!!!)

[QUOTE=It Travel]Perfect size... good if she has ponytail or pigtails... even better to take her doggy holding her arms, so she is complete under your control, the reason I prefer Missionary.... (and I gets deeper too!!!)[/QUOTE]
No ponytail or pigtails, just long hair. I have fucked her many times in doggy while holding her arms. Nevertheless, I prefer "reverse" missionary (passive doggy,) when she's taken from behind while laying flat on her stomach. Then she's completely under my control.

Best,
Helpmann :)

[QUOTE=Helpmann]No ponytail or pigtails, just long hair. I have fucked her many times in doggy while holding her arms. Nevertheless, I prefer "reverse" missionary (passive doggy,) when she's taken from behind while laying flat on her stomach. Then she's completely under my control.

Best,
Helpmann :)[/QUOTE]

Dear Helpmann, I prefer the missionary in the other way... laying on her back, tightly holding wrists, her legs on my shoulder, with some girls they did not ever know which hole I was going to take...

You might have seen a lot of writing on my anal qween, Valentina... when I take her so seeing her angel face (the body is not exceptional) showing pain while heavvily nailed anally is something i got addict to! :D

IT

I tink I'm completely addict and I am happy when I see a girl embarassed at breakfast or dinner in the hotel (in dinner it's because she is plugged, on breakfast it's on ground of some anal pain!)...

What shall I say seeing all these Russian blondinkas (I see them since 1980) sill rises my dick faster tah Viagra!

IT


But I'm very happy :) :) :)

Hello all,

Here's an issue that I've been thinking about for a while and I'd appreciate your input.

Before a sex trip abroad do you ever - in preparation for it - abstain from all sexual activity for a period of time, including of course masturbation ?

The expectation is that refrainment should greatly increase the sexual excitement once the moment/encounter arrives.

The most I've ever gone is 54 days and that was years ago when I was 25. It really was a very different experience. The enhancement of the desire and excitement phases was really incredible. I remember after the 32nd or 33rd day experiencing occasional brief ecstatic sensations - but they were mostly mental, as if my brain was accumulating an excess of "excitement chemicals"

I've decided to do this again since I have an upcoming trip to Brazil at the end of August. This will be my first true mongering vacation. Today I'm at day 30 which means that come end August it will be around 60 days of abstention.

But I'm thinking of postponing the trip until the first week of October in order to reach 100 days, hoping that this will result in sheer...

But this is so VERY difficult. Not so much dealing with the sexual temptations now but just the waiting so long (months) and the sense of desperation...

So my questions are:

1. Have you ever done this ?

2. Is my waiting until October just crazy and should I keep my original plans and go at end of August with 60 days abstention ?

Thanks,

J.

[QUOTE=Jonathan76]Hello all,

Here's an issue that I've been thinking about for a while and I'd appreciate your input.

Before a sex trip abroad do you ever - in preparation for it - abstain from all sexual activity for a period of time, including of course masturbation ?

The expectation is that refrainment should greatly increase the sexual excitement once the moment/encounter arrives.

The most I've ever gone is 54 days and that was years ago when I was 25. It really was a very different experience. The enhancement of the desire and excitement phases was really incredible. I remember after the 32nd or 33rd day experiencing occasional brief ecstatic sensations - but they were mostly mental, as if my brain was accumulating an excess of "excitement chemicals"

I've decided to do this again since I have an upcoming trip to Brazil at the end of August. This will be my first true mongering vacation. Today I'm at day 30 which means that come end August it will be around 60 days of abstention.

But I'm thinking of postponing the trip until the first week of October in order to reach 100 days, hoping that this will result in sheer...

But this is so VERY difficult. Not so much dealing with the sexual temptations now but just the waiting so long (months) and the sense of desperation...

So my questions are:

1. Have you ever done this ?

2. Is my waiting until October just crazy and should I keep my original plans and go at end of August with 60 days abstention ?

Thanks,

J.[/QUOTE]


Dear Jonathan76,

I think this is just crazy...

Of course when I do a heavy sex trip I try to refrain form normal sex home, this does not meen that if I find a teen in the bed she would go out without explorations....

For having a good five day sex (usually my sex vacation timing) what I need (apart girls of course is):

a) some days of no sex home (3-5 are well enough)
b) light menus and little alcohol, before and during the event, mostly fish fruit and some beer, no smoke of course, just not more than 1-2 cigars a day.
c) relaxing trip with good food and good sleep (usually I fly business)
d) no hassle so you be nervous, the reason because I reserve at least the first night from home...
e) one 20 mg Cialis a day (I'm over 100 kg and have a well run metabolic system) but five days in row is maximum
f) at least 8-9 hours of sleep every day when there (sometimes a nap between nailing!)
g) of course good performers (beauties not needed, but real pigs!), at least one a day, but if I get two, licking each other too no problem... :D

With all these specification dear Jonathan76 the problem is that you get out of a lot of money :( But you do lots of interesting things too... like good BBBJ + CIM when you are just awake etc etc.

Usually in these conditions I can manage five/seven shots a day, the first are always for face or mouth (more cum) the others for other holes! :D

In the last three days (thanks Cialis!) usually the nailing time is around 45 minutes (of heavy fuck!) with preparatory, showers, cuddling, kissing etc it's 1.30-2.00 hours so you are engaged 10 hours a day, eating, doing a little walk, going buying condoms and Cialis, taking your little pig out for a dinner and you do not have much time for other things... if you have to sleep enough!

Am I sex addict? Sorry no! It's just my hobby when I'm not working... :D

IT

All I do to get ready for an adventure is exercise a little more than usual for two weeks before heading on a trip. The boost I feel is enormous.

CC

It Travel and Chicochulo,

Thank you.

Yes, good quality deep sleep is absolutely essential.

As far as diet goes, yes they say fish, especially salmon and sardines, are important. Also, I've heard that a few raw eggs a day. Supposedly, the choline substance in eggs helps with the neurotransmitters.

As far as money goes, I have no concerns because I plan on seeking cheap, middle-aged, amateurish, slightly chubby, slightly disheveled and slightly sleazy ladies in Sao Paolo.

I love this type more than anything.

As far as relaxation goes, well there is the problem.

I don't know what it is but every time I visit a prostitute, the second phase of the 'sexual response cycle' - excitement - is either missing or greatly diminished. It's very strange because the desire is there and the erection is there just by looking at her fully dressed. And the orgasmic phase comes very quickly too. There really is no difference with any of this compared to my twenties. (I'm 35 now)

But the excitement phase.... almost nothing.

:-(

I have never had body-shaking, consciousness altering, ecstatic sex with a prostitute (or even girlfriend for that matter)

What makes my situation all the more frustrating is that I can walk out of that brothel minutes later, spot a lovely lady in the street or market and be trembling with intense excitement - the sensation that eluded me just minutes earlier in the room.

It's as if the gods are playing a cruel trick on me.

:-(

That's why I am hoping this time that long-term abstention will "override" this problem.

Jonathan

[quote=jonathan76]it travel and chicochulo,

thank you.

yes, good quality deep sleep is absolutely essential.

as far as diet goes, yes they say fish, especially salmon and sardines, are important. also, i've heard that a few raw eggs a day. supposedly, the choline substance in eggs helps with the neurotransmitters.

as far as money goes, i have no concerns because i plan on seeking cheap, middle-aged, amateurish, slightly chubby, slightly disheveled and slightly sleazy ladies in sao paolo.

i love this type more than anything.

as far as relaxation goes, well there is the problem.

i don't know what it is but every time i visit a prostitute, the second phase of the 'sexual response cycle' - excitement - is either missing or greatly diminished. it's very strange because the desire is there and the erection is there just by looking at her fully dressed. and the orgasmic phase comes very quickly too. there really is no difference with any of this compared to my twenties. (i'm 35 now)

but the excitement phase.... almost nothing.

:-(

i have never had body-shaking, consciousness altering, ecstatic sex with a prostitute (or even girlfriend for that matter)

what makes my situation all the more frustrating is that i can walk out of that brothel minutes later, spot a lovely lady in the street or market and be trembling with intense excitement - the sensation that eluded me just minutes earlier in the room.

it's as if the gods are playing a cruel trick on me.

:-(

that's why i am hoping this time that long-term abstention will "override" this problem.

jonathan[/quote]

i just think that a week is well enough...

i'm over 45, and since i was 20 i still prefer teens, or just a little over (can make some exceptions for special ladies... like some nice cum slurper! :d).

light menus are mostly for not making you sleepy. a good option is three fried eggs as breakfast (with the red still uncooked)... and so on. i was putting fish and ikra, just becuase it's light and i like it.

i can understand you because i can go out in the street watching up at some teens.... (and now in the summer they are nearly naked)... and it gets immediately hard!

for having real orgasms you sould try [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord901][CodeWord901][/url], in kive, unfortunately for us she is now sponsored and, surely, she is not your type. her bbbj cim/cof slurping is some of the best experience ever had...

it

Since the early '90s I'm completely addict to the EE, specially Russian or Ukranian teens... You may be wonder why.

Here two got on flirt seeking a sponsor....

How could you say no? They are 18 and 19....

IT

Sorry but I forgot two of the best pics...

Barbie.... in this position thinking to take her anally is completely natural...

Irina.... just 18... perfect position for COF...

IT

DANGER: If you look you will be addict!!!

When did I realize I was a sex addict? Could have been the time when the ex-wife said I fucked to her too much. Maybe it was that night in Pattaya a bar girl said I fucked her to much. Probably was the time I found myself following a 6ft Chinese lady down a dark alley littered with poor Indians, Pakistanis and Filipinos to her shit hole apartment in Dubai with thousands of dollars in jewelry on my neck and wrist and about 3000 dollars in my pocket.

An addict always ignores danger to get that high………

I don't think I am a sex addict, because -- compared to my mates -- my sexual urges are pretty normal for a mid-30s male. I am only a monger because I have no choice. You see, I am also married, but one day my wife announced that she never wanted to have sex again. She refuses to seek help for her lack of sex drive as she thinks she has no problem. Any discussion about the problem just leads to arguments and I get accused of being a "pervert," etc. I have not had sex with my wife for almost a year and am seriously considering divorce. My wife thinks sex is "dirty" and "gross". I do not even know why I am still in this marriage. I think if my wife and I had a normal healthy sex life, I would never seek the company of pros.

[QUOTE=Big Bob II]I don't think I am a sex addict, because -- compared to my mates -- my sexual urges are pretty normal for a mid-30s male. I am only a monger because I have no choice. You see, I am also married, but one day my wife announced that she never wanted to have sex again. She refuses to seek help for her lack of sex drive as she thinks she has no problem. Any discussion about the problem just leads to arguments and I get accused of being a "pervert," etc. I have not had sex with my wife for almost a year and am seriously considering divorce. My wife thinks sex is "dirty" and "gross". I do not even know why I am still in this marriage. I think if my wife and I had a normal healthy sex life, I would never seek the company of pros.[/QUOTE]

I'm just curious becuse this is not so unfrequent in my country, but with older couples. Sex is one of the most beautiful things of life and only a wrong moral is criminalizing it.

Has this acting some religious basis? Perhaps a conversion? Or something elese? Let us know so we can understand, for you and for us.

I can say I am sex addict... no mistery. Usually I get tired on fixed relations and serach for others, very few girls (or women) are, sexually, as I like. And I still like the same teens I liked when I was in the College! And it was more than 25 years ago!

Taking a teen in all her nice, tight, pink holes is something I can't avoid (only with her consent of course)... That is the reason I like EE, where young girls like elder guys for several reasons, not only money! Or I even sponsor 18-19teens.

IT

When I finally will get to Thailand this is what I'm going to do

[url]http://www.redtube.com/7342[/url]

Of course with diffrent girls! On ground the price ration between EE and Thailand is 3:1 or even 4:1... I will go from flowr to flower, and hope to make some nice orgy pics (including my best... cum swapping...)

This is more representative...
[url]http://streetmeatasia.com/post6/g/1175.wotelencream/pics/wotelencream78643.jpg[/url]

Of course even with Cialis I can't cum in all the holes... but dinking a good wind do not mean that you have to drink the bottle... I can just do anal testing... :D and then nail her to death, and when cumming go over to the nicest face...

A pervert addicted... yes I know!! :D
IT

PS look at my last in Rio and Sao Paulo and Photo in Brazil sect...

For sexual addiction you have always the choice as on internet you click on links with more and more hardcore sitesbut in reality it is difficult to do this. I lose just one thing it is the money because as a monger I could buy for me an Aston Martin but I prefered to have sex with hookers; I continue and don't want to stop it is so good you have a nice life when you can buy some hurs and nights with prostitutes and you can make the choice.

Dear IT,

Well its really nice reading your posts and ur report on sexual pervertness and of course good old tip on good sex life(well i m 11 years younger to you and I m not as seasoned traveller as you but my views and preferences do match with you)I have always adored your reports though very junior to you probably in all respect.But one thing is common between us and that is sexual urge and my adidiction towards EE and russian girls.

Well coming from a country like India,where dubious standards are prevelent when it comes to sex,I have alaways had my opinion clear on sex.I love and really enjoy sex(thats why some people call me i m sex addic)by definately i m not as i m normal person who really adores enjoys various acts of sex.

My 3 years stay in Zambia where I enjoyed very good sex with lots of warm passionate and beautiful ladies particularly my sex vacation in livingstone.

My 2 years stay in UK,I really enjoyed banging english babes in and around manchester and wigan but my life took a u turn when i met one of ex girlfriend.She was hailing from Ukraine and I really had good time.Particularly I got addicted of two fantastic things of her.Her very warm sex eargerness and desire to have steamy and sticky manhood load at least once in mouth as she really liked CIM and very passionate BBBJ.Had been to L M parties and enjoyed group sex and a private orgie in manchester.

My current stay is in Bahrain,and I go for CIS girls.I only go for girls who are ready for BBBJ and CIM.Thats where i face problem.Some of girls refuse saying its bad and i m addict.IMHO i m not a addict of BBBJ & CIM.its part of normal sex life.any who cares!

TBH I have not liked having sex in india due to attitude problem of indian girls.I have a baby girl and a single parent but being a normal man I stll go mongering visit to countries like Dubai and UK just for change.friends say u r addict of having different pussy.well I m an addict?

I certainly don't think so when I read your views on sex addict and good sex life.
I thank you for that reason!

With warm regards

Raj

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I thought I was an addict. But I've just read:

[url]http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7379742.stm[/url]

Clearly I'm not even trying!

Once you get the first taste of mongering, your life is forever changed. The sites and sounds you dream of your next trip.

It becomes a vicious cycle of planning and maximizing all funds and vacation time to just get back to your mongering destination faster and faster. Your life as you know it back home and all things around you in your western life don’t matter. All your friends and family don’t understand. No one can possibly ever know the feeling you get stepping into a mongering destination as Thailand, Dubai or PI, or having a sexy, young third world girl naked laying before you.

You begin to look around at your neighbors, looking at their fat wife’s, their huge mortgage, 2 car payments, and mountains of bills every month. And you begin to wish that one day you’ll never end up like that or ever go back to that lifestyle. You begin to realize that you are forever changed, and nothing will be the same.

Why go to a local strip club? Pay $20 for a lap dance? That is a blow job and fuck in PI. Eventually nothing becomes fun anymore, going traveling, going hiking, nothing really seems to match the feeling you had in Dubai, PI Thailand, nothing.

Your friends and parents will start to question why you’re on your 5th trip to Thailand a row. “Why do you keep going there?” “Why don’t you grow up” “that is not real life over there” “your partaking in the sex trade/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] ring” “you can’t get any pussy here in the western world so you go overseas” “you looking for a mail order bride”

You hear all these negatives around you, and no one understands. No one except your fellow mongers. Deep inside, though everyone is making fun of you or criticizing you, you feel sorry for the guys that don’t know about the third world. Your friends would have so much fun if they would only go to the third world and see what you have seen, yet 95% of your friends will or come up with excuses not to go.

You look at your pictures from your trips and smile at every image and picture that brought you so much happiness.

Those few months while you’re not on vacation is torture. I comb the internet and message boards for anything new or news about my favorite mongering destinations.

The life of a monger is a rollercoaster of ultimate highs, and horrible lows. I’m sometimes hesitant to bring new guys to the life because I know it will fuck them up for life. It is truly the best and worst thing to ever happen to me. A curse that can never be cured until he day I become a millionaire. Its worst than any street drug, that pussy is the most addictive substance known to man.

The Few The Proud The Mongers....

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Once you get the first taste of mongering, your life is forever changed. The sites and sounds you dream of your next trip.

It becomes a vicious cycle of planning and maximizing all funds and vacation time to just get back to your mongering destination faster and faster. Your life as you know it back home and all things around you in your western life don’t matter. All your friends and family don’t understand. No one can possibly ever know the feeling you get stepping into a mongering destination as Thailand, Dubai or PI, or having a sexy, young third world girl naked laying before you.

You begin to look around at your neighbors, looking at their fat wife’s, their huge mortgage, 2 car payments, and mountains of bills every month. And you begin to wish that one day you’ll never end up like that or ever go back to that lifestyle. You begin to realize that you are forever changed, and nothing will be the same.

Why go to a local strip club? Pay $20 for a lap dance? That is a blow job and fuck in PI. Eventually nothing becomes fun anymore, going traveling, going hiking, nothing really seems to match the feeling you had in Dubai, PI Thailand, nothing.

Your friends and parents will start to question why you’re on your 5th trip to Thailand a row. “Why do you keep going there?” “Why don’t you grow up” “that is not real life over there” “your partaking in the sex trade/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] ring” “you can’t get any pussy here in the western world so you go overseas” “you looking for a mail order bride”

You hear all these negatives around you, and no one understands. No one except your fellow mongers. Deep inside, though everyone is making fun of you or criticizing you, you feel sorry for the guys that don’t know about the third world. Your friends would have so much fun if they would only go to the third world and see what you have seen, yet 95% of your friends will or come up with excuses not to go.

You look at your pictures from your trips and smile at every image and picture that brought you so much happiness.

Those few months while you’re not on vacation is torture. I comb the internet and message boards for anything new or news about my favorite mongering destinations.

The life of a monger is a rollercoaster of ultimate highs, and horrible lows. I’m sometimes hesitant to bring new guys to the life because I know it will fuck them up for life. It is truly the best and worst thing to ever happen to me. A curse that can never be cured until he day I become a millionaire. Its worst than any street drug, that pussy is the most addictive substance known to man.

The Few The Proud The Mongers....[/QUOTE]

Can agree with something but frakly you are exaggerating!!!

Do not know where you are from but find a cheap pussy in your area too!

IT (a semi addict monger) ah ah ah

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Once you get the first taste of mongering, your life is forever changed. The sites and sounds you dream of your next trip.

It becomes a vicious cycle of planning and maximizing all funds and vacation time to just get back to your mongering destination faster and faster. Your life as you know it back home and all things around you in your western life don’t matter. All your friends and family don’t understand. No one can possibly ever know the feeling you get stepping into a mongering destination as Thailand, Dubai or PI, or having a sexy, young third world girl naked laying before you.

You begin to look around at your neighbors, looking at their fat wife’s, their huge mortgage, 2 car payments, and mountains of bills every month. And you begin to wish that one day you’ll never end up like that or ever go back to that lifestyle. You begin to realize that you are forever changed, and nothing will be the same.

Why go to a local strip club? Pay $20 for a lap dance? That is a blow job and fuck in PI. Eventually nothing becomes fun anymore, going traveling, going hiking, nothing really seems to match the feeling you had in Dubai, PI Thailand, nothing.

Your friends and parents will start to question why you’re on your 5th trip to Thailand a row. “Why do you keep going there?” “Why don’t you grow up” “that is not real life over there” “your partaking in the sex trade/[url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] ring” “you can’t get any pussy here in the western world so you go overseas” “you looking for a mail order bride”

You hear all these negatives around you, and no one understands. No one except your fellow mongers. Deep inside, though everyone is making fun of you or criticizing you, you feel sorry for the guys that don’t know about the third world. Your friends would have so much fun if they would only go to the third world and see what you have seen, yet 95% of your friends will or come up with excuses not to go.

You look at your pictures from your trips and smile at every image and picture that brought you so much happiness.

Those few months while you’re not on vacation is torture. I comb the internet and message boards for anything new or news about my favorite mongering destinations.

The life of a monger is a rollercoaster of ultimate highs, and horrible lows. I’m sometimes hesitant to bring new guys to the life because I know it will fuck them up for life. It is truly the best and worst thing to ever happen to me. A curse that can never be cured until he day I become a millionaire. Its worst than any street drug, that pussy is the most addictive substance known to man.

The Few The Proud The Mongers....[/QUOTE]


Yeah, I would say that pretty well sums it up, lol.

[QUOTE=It Travel]Can agree with something but frakly you are exaggerating!!!

Do not know where you are from but find a cheap pussy in your area too!

IT (a semi addict monger) ah ah ah[/QUOTE]

IT I am a DOD worker. What that means is that I spend my time in the two most terrible places on earth. Afghanistan/Iraq…. pick your poison. Oh how I wish there was some sweet pussy to fuck besides extremely childish American female soldiers, OGNs (Other Government Organizations) and local Muslim chicks which may cause an international incident and get you fired if you were lucky enough to get one to remove the burqa. :)

As for the States which I don’t visit much sorry but I don’t find some black street walking crack head appealing. No exaggerations here dude.

I am really addicted to sex but my wife is not getting any sex as the only sex I have nowadays is paid sex.

Does anyone has the same problem as me?

[QUOTE=Jonlittle]I am really addicted to sex but my wife is not getting any sex as the only sex I have nowadays is paid sex.

Does anyone has the same problem as me?[/QUOTE]


The are a millions of guys living like you. Time for you to see a lawyer. I don’t understand the logic behind women closing their legs to their husband or fretting when the husband brings up sex. It is her job to fuck her man, what the fuck gives? Then they have the gall to not fuck and think everything is ok. Fuck say no to drugs say no to marriage.

[QUOTE=Jonlittle]I am really addicted to sex but my wife is not getting any sex as the only sex I have nowadays is paid sex.

Does anyone has the same problem as me?[/QUOTE]

i think Daddy misunderstood what you said. Jonlittle is not interested wth sex with his wife, just paid sex. I understand and there are millions of men out there with the same problem.

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]IT I am a DOD worker. What that means is that I spend my time in the two most terrible places on earth. Afghanistan/Iraq…. pick your poison. Oh how I wish there was some sweet pussy to fuck besides extremely childish American female soldiers, OGNs (Other Government Organizations) and local Muslim chicks which may cause an international incident and get you fired if you were lucky enough to get one to remove the burqa. :)

As for the States which I don’t visit much sorry but I don’t find some black street walking crack head appealing. No exaggerations here dude.[/QUOTE]

Hi Daddy!

Now I understand… it might not be so easy…. To be there for months and months…

At least during the war in Bosnia (I was there, but for other purposes) it was full of brothels in Bosnia and, on the other side, in Serbia, due to the disaster economic conditions you got nice fresh pussy (all nighter) for 50 German marks (25 €)!!! It was in 1999-2000!

It might not be easy in Iraq and Afghanistan and I do not think (as you) that young female soldiers or others from NGO are much to fuck.

But I am living a normal :eek: sex life: fucking some normal aged women between 30 and 40… and when on working trips (very often) looking for nice fuck, not just for a couple of shot… the reason why I like overnighters. I’m addicted but not in a normal term… I can stay a couple of months with no sex and no problems, sometimes I fuck ten different girls in a week… may be a little bit strange.

I think that I’m sex addicted 10%... addicted to “Russian style teens” 30 % and perverted for the rest… a strange mix.

I make also a couple or three real sex trips a year, sometimes connected to the work… like the fact that on odd years I go always to Sao Paulo in Brazil and usually I take 4-5-6 days of rest in Rio (while you have paid the plane…).

What I’m really addicted (and may be perverted too) is not in reality sex… as said it’s teens and younger woman (let’s say 18-23), may be because I’m getting older and I like sex with nice fresh girls… As many here know I’m not for stunner, but for homegrown standard girls but really pigs…

Unfortunately (or fortunately), it depends on the point of view… for a lot of years, let’ say more than ten I had a married lover (when I was 22-32 approx)who still is my sex icon… a girl capable of waking you up by sucking your balls… or doing anything you can imagine or even more… and having a such thing home his husband was not interested in sex at all… CRAZY! She was a 7-8 nice but not a beauty, but areal pig something in bed that I still did not found, only Lol… (an UA 25-6 y.o. girl I do not write the name because she makes searches here) was close to her: the type of girl that is already completely wet just after you kissed her for 5 seconds… and always want sex… At a point my lover/friend found another husband very interested in sex so… I was “forced” to get some other (fucked others anyway also in that time)… so now I’m mongering for young pigs, but not really as addict as you might think. Mostly I’m addicted to young Russian or EE girls… and to good nice wild sex. Of course I fuck normal women too but it’ less funny.

What I’m really addict is that nice white skin the fabulous pink these girls have between the legs… so I stared some sponsoring and I go, usually, with the same pros (exactly the opposite as most mongers I think) because I go with one I know I like, and I hate that Club, Disco, Pub system for choosing gals so I mostly know them ,or sponsor them via the net… or friends. A big help came from friends here like Irish Lad, Ballentyne, Doc, Mr Moore, Hecker etc…

I think that my sexual dream or addiction is quite different from those who, like you, are forced to no sex for long time. I simply love Russian teens… was close to find the right one to keep sponsoring for some years… but unfortunately a guy living in Kiev offered her a full time sponsorship… so I get some other…

If I win the lottery in Italy, now with a jackpot of 50 millions €, I will become a real addict… and make my dream true… It’s just a dream so… I can tell it! If you spend 10 and well invest 40 million Euro you can easily maintain the value and get 500.000 € for you meaning well more than 1.000 € a day well enough for sponsoring some girl and live well…
So I will buy a nice house in Kiev, and sponsor full time Lol…. (I know where she is now and she would be pleased of my sponsoring type may be with 6-7.000 USD a month now she gets 5.500) we have a lot of things in common and she is very clever too… By the way she loves teens because she is a real bisexual… You can imagine! And the guy she is now with do not want her to go to bed with teens… or other girls…
I will sponsor also some 18-19 girls having 2-3 in the house, testing them for all STD (so I can go uncovered) and then live in paradise with Lol.. and some teens (changing them some time and keeping the best ones) for some years, then I’ll have to find another Lol… may be she can instruct one, but I think one will grow up from teens…

So fresh pussy will be served every morning… and fresh cum will be delivered daily! and I’ll will feel exactly like in paradise… Of course I’ll go on partially with my work and not retire until I’m 65 or so when I’ll be out I’ll leave the teens to Lol.. and she will take care of them and the house.. she is a real pussy licker!

When you have fixed girls, instead of quickies or occasional overnighters you can learn them all they need…
So I imagine my really addicted dream… looking at the big mirror on the ceiling seeing a teen (correctly tongue pierced as the one I found but disappeared) on my best friend… one tongue massaging my best friend…and my face is close to Lol… one, and I see her nice face pleased, another teen pierced teen is making her crazy by titillating the clito…. and I decide do kiss her and still feel the taste, on her lips, of young fresh pussy. And then at the end I look at the two teens and swapping my load… :p :p

Paradise for a Russian teen addict… And when mr. Happy will not rise so promptly may be I’ll go and live in Rio… taking with me a couple of them… Why you say… Yeah I’m addicted to that licking young, pink, swollen and wet pussy lips is like caviar.

Dr Daddy If you want to look my type of addictions you can go on
Ukraine Kiev and/or Photo and search:
Inga
Ivol
Mystery Tramp

You can go in Moscow or Photo of Russian section
And search for Valentina

And You can go to my favourite hobby (anal) and search)
Inga
Valentina
Ludmilla

Happy mongering when you are out of those sandy and dangerous places.

IT

My girldfriend wants me to make love to her everyday. Is she addicted to sex? Even when she has her period, she wants to make love.

Is there anyway to curb her sex drive? Having to service her everyday is making me very tired. It is like eating the same food day in and day out.

[QUOTE=It Travel]Hi Daddy!

Now I understand… it might not be so easy…. To be there for months and months…

At least during the war in Bosnia (I was there, but for other purposes) it was full of brothels in Bosnia and, on the other side, in Serbia, due to the disaster economic conditions you got nice fresh pussy (all nighter) for 50 German marks (25 €)!!! It was in 1999-2000!

It might not be easy in Iraq and Afghanistan and I do not think (as you) that young female soldiers or others from NGO are much to fuck.

But I am living a normal :eek: sex life: fucking some normal aged women between 30 and 40… and when on working trips (very often) looking for nice fuck, not just for a couple of shot… the reason why I like overnighters. I’m addicted but not in a normal term… I can stay a couple of months with no sex and no problems, sometimes I fuck ten different girls in a week… may be a little bit strange.

I think that I’m sex addicted 10%... addicted to “Russian style teens” 30 % and perverted for the rest… a strange mix.IT[/QUOTE]

If I could keep my healthy paycheck and had a job which did not require me to spend months on end in pussy wastelands I would probably fuck 5 different girls a day every day. I just don’t get tired of sex as long as it is with different women. I am not so fastidious when it comes to pussy tall, short, old, young as long as they are reasonably attractive. Usually when I go on my mongering bouts the walk of shame is different for me in respect of the sheer numbers of girls I take up to my room in a short amount of time. No “performance enhancers” needed just my 20 something body and sick mind. I love looking in the faces of the hotel staff as they have this “is this girl 5 or 6?” looks on their respective faces.

[QUOTE=Cinta]My girldfriend wants me to make love to her everyday. Is she addicted to sex? Even when she has her period, she wants to make love.

Is there anyway to curb her sex drive? Having to service her everyday is making me very tired. It is like eating the same food day in and day out.[/QUOTE]

Cinta don’t get offended but sounds like your ole lady needs a good fucking. Push her to the extreme pull her hair spank her ass fuck her on the table, up against the wall, on the floor, anally, go Conan the cave man dick slinger on her ass. If she still comes back for more…marry her :) As for eating the same food yes variety is the spice of life. If she is addicted you cannot cure her. You can only fuck her or she will find someone else to do it.

[QUOTE=Daddy Warbucks 1]Cinta don’t get offended but sounds like your ole lady needs a good fucking. Push her to the extreme pull her hair spank her ass fuck her on the table, up against the wall, on the floor, anally, go Conan the cave man dick slinger on her ass. If she still comes back for more…marry her :) As for eating the same food yes variety is the spice of life. If she is addicted you cannot cure her. You can only fuck her or she will find someone else to do it.[/QUOTE]A very good idea to fuck her with different style. Maybe I should fist fuck her, try some sensational fluid, fuck her at the beach or maybe try a threesome or foursome. If all this didn't work, I'll fuck her off my house.

Is there any basis in a newspaper report that I have read that stress leads to sexual addiction? This was in a Singapore paper, the Straits Times.

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by elizabeth landau
cnn

(cnn) -- "californication" star david duchovny made headlines for voluntarily entering rehab last week. but it wasn't for drugs or alcohol. it was for another dependency, one that affects millions of americans but is seldom discussed: sex addiction.


while sex can be healthy for a relationship, some people develop an addiction to porn, affairs, and other behaviors.

sex addiction, also called compulsive sexual behavior, is like a gambling compulsion or alcoholism: it's about devoting your free time to a behavior that you cannot stop, even if you damage relationships or prompt other negative consequences. that could mean extensively using pornography, having affairs, sleeping with prostitutes, and masturbating excessively, to the point where such behaviors get out of control.

if you think it's just about primal desire, think again. for many addicts, sex becomes a way to numb out painful feelings, kill time or stop feeling lonely, says kelly mcdaniel, licensed professional counselor in san antonio, texas, and author of "ready to heal: women facing love, sex and relationship addiction."

"most people i talk to get to the point where they don't even like sex," said mcdaniel, who has no connection to david duchovny and did not speculate about his specific situation.

who are sex addicts?

sex addiction is estimated to affect 3 to 6 percent of adults in the united states, according to the mayo clinic, but the american psychiatric association has not classified the condition in its diagnostic handbook. sexhelp.com, run by psychologist patrick carnes, provides an online test to help people determine if they have a problem.

the internet, providing endless opportunities for porn-watching and cybersex, has fueled a surge in cases of sex addiction, experts say.

"we're seeing it with epidemic proportions now, particularly with regards to cybersex," said mark schwartz, psychologist and former director of the masters and johnson institute in st. louis, missouri. "there isn't a week that goes by where i don't get two calls" about sex addiction.

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therapists have recently seen more women with the condition in connection with internet porn, which has become a "gender-neutral" addiction, mcdaniel said. before, female sex addicts generally tended to have affairs or become sex workers, she said.

experts acknowledge that people who have affairs or use pornography are not necessarily sex addicts. such pastimes form an addiction when they generate negative consequences for a person's relationships, take over free time and become impossible to quit.

where does it come from?

about 80 percent of sex addiction cases have sexual abuse or emotional trauma in their backgrounds, said doug weiss, therapist and executive director of the heart to heart counseling center. schwartz also noted that huge numbers of people coming forward as sex addicts have been abused, assaulted or raped.

"when you have abuse in your background, you're less likely to trust people, [and] you're more likely to turn to something like sex addiction as a manifestation," schwartz said.

feelings of neglect as a child -- whether from divorced parents or parents who both worked and didn't spend a lot of time with their kids -- may also lead to sex addiction, schwartz said.

research into the neuroscience of sex addiction has not been conclusive, the mayo clinic said. naturally occurring chemicals in the brain such as dopamine and serotonin do contribute to sexual functioning, but it's not clear how they are related to sex addiction. mcdaniel said these two chemicals are lower in the brains of children who have suffered abuse, which may explain why some of them use their own bodies -- or, in other cases, food -- to increase dopamine and serotonin levels.

a lot of teenagers develop their sexuality with pornography, and then find that relational sex isn't as satisfying, weiss said. porn gives them a "very strong chemical hit," and alters ways of thinking about sex, somewhat like the classic "ring the bell, feed the dog" stimulus-response mechanism. addicts thus learn to become sexually attached to objects, and have trouble getting the same kind of satisfaction from sex in a relationship, he said.

for many people, especially women, sex addiction occurs in tandem with another problem such as an eating disorder, drug or alcohol addiction, mcdaniel said.

how does treatment work?

a good treatment center will review the reasons why the addiction has come about, along with the brain chemistry of it, mcdaniel said. a premier rehabilitation facility would have a combination of individual and group therapy, 12-step support, and possibly psychiatric medications such as antidepressant medications if necessary.

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the 12-step programs, which have components that parallel alcoholics anonymous, are the most widely used form of treatment, said sam alibrando, therapist and consultant in pasadena, california. they involve having a sponsor and being available for others in the group at any time. anecdotally, however, they work less well than aa because sex is harder to give up, said alibrando, author of "follow the yellow brick road: how to change for the better when life gives you its worst."

"treatment is long-term, and it's not easy," mcdaniel said. "i really recommend that a woman or a man find someone who's trained and understands that sex addiction is a brain disease and does not further the shame that comes with this disease."

unlike drugs or alcohol, the goal of sex addiction therapy is usually not abstinence, but rather learning to have sex in a relationship, experts say. similarly, someone who recovers from an overeating disorder does not stop eating entirely but learns how to manage diet. marriage counseling often becomes part of the treatment, weiss says.

the goals of recovery vary for different people, says alibrando. he's currently treating a couple in which the wife cannot tolerate her husband even looking at other women. on the other end of the spectrum, he has treated couples in which a woman will buy her boyfriend pornography.

"the spectrum is so wide in terms of where people draw the line," says alibrando.

some recovering addicts join support groups requiring that members only have sex with their partners, even prohibiting masturbation.

what's after recovery?

weiss considers himself a former sex addict, having recognized his problem in his early 20s. women weren't making him happy; he was using pornography and felt "in conflict" about it.

now, he runs a resource web site for recovery at sexaddict.com, along with three-day intensive workshops to jump-start recovery for sex addicts.

weiss said he's proud of duchovny for voluntarily seeking help, apparently without prodding from press reports or lawsuits.

"this kind of person who decides to get recovery for themselves without getting exposed" is "likely to get better," he said. "people who voluntarily get better have a much better chance of staying well."

any thoughts......?

Your boom booming and its relaxing you.

Your mind wanders.

Before you can come!

What do you need to think about?

Animal? Any particular Domination scene? Roman slave?

***** ? just f--k her

Your balls are full and you need to empty them?

Whats your fantasy?

[QUOTE=Dirtydoog]Is there any basis in a newspaper report that I have read that stress leads to sexual addiction? This was in a Singapore paper, the Straits Times.[/QUOTE]

Definitely, absolutely ... clinical depression is related to production and processing of chemicals produced by the adrenal gland - epinephrin, noepinephrin, dopamin, adrenaline. Sex also releases these chemicals and can be a form of 'self medication'' for a depressed person.

I was recently diagnosed as 'depressed.' I don't really like that term because it is misunderstood and has connotations. In a nutshell my body is/was not processing epinephrine/noepinephrine properly. I was never sad per se, but very lethargic, and plagued by an inability to concentrate. I also had a hard time caring about the very basics of life. It became hard to hold a job, etc.

Because I didn't know or understand what my health issue was, I assumed it was simply a case of the dumps that could be cured with a little excitement. Or in my case a lot of excitement in the form of sex. Sex releases the same chemicals related to depression, and becomes a sort of internal chemical 'fix.'

I began medication for depression several weeks ago, and am just now coming to fully realize how full-blown my sex addiction was. Uggh. Tough hobby to give up. But a period of abstinence may be in order here ....

Clinical depression is indeed thought to result from biochemical imbalances of norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin in particular. However, unlike the previous post, this imbalance is not mediated by those produced by adrenal gland (located above kidneys). These neurotransmitters are produced and secreted as short-range signals in specific parts of the brain. That is where biochemically-based clinical depression originates. (This is in strict contrast to short-term situational depression, whose biochemical basis is not well-established).

[QUOTE=Valuedisc]Clinical depression is indeed thought to result from biochemical imbalances of norepinephrine, dopamine, and serotonin in particular. However, unlike the previous post, this imbalance is not mediated by those produced by adrenal gland (located above kidneys). These neurotransmitters are produced and secreted as short-range signals in specific parts of the brain. That is where biochemically-based clinical depression originates. (This is in strict contrast to short-term situational depression, whose biochemical basis is not well-established).[/QUOTE]


Is there a firm method of measuring these chemical imbalances? Often MDs will simply label someone as depressed without establishing their hormonal composition.

Also, how is a useful baseline established?

[QUOTE=DirkDingy]Is there a firm method of measuring these chemical imbalances? Often MDs will simply label someone as depressed without establishing their hormonal composition.

Also, how is a useful baseline established?[/QUOTE]

Based on my understanding it is not an exact science, which leads to a lot of the nonsense like we saw T. Cruise spew about antidepressants. Also a ot of skepticism about the disease. Psychiatrists diagnose based on the symptoms. For instance, sad and suicidal thoughts are related to the brain's inability to process serotonin, which is produced by the adrenal gland (?). I didn't have that symptom, but I was lethargic, unable to sleep regularly, and unable to concentrate for more than a few minutes ... had uncharacteristic difficulty processing numbers.

There is depression in my family, and my entire life I was extremely skeptical about people's 'whining' about depression. I thought they were just lazy or had a problem with willpower. But now it is obvious to me, there is no other explanation for the difficulty I've had for the last several YEARS. And I can pinpoint almost to the day the onset of my depression. For me it was triggered by a highly stressful episode at work ... stress has real costs guys.

I went undiagnosed for ~6 years. That is a scary thought. Thank god I was able to open my mind to the possibility that something was wrong beyond my understanding. I'm sure lots and lots of people go undiagnosed ... and that explains a lot of irrational behavior. I would not be surprised to learn that 20% or more of those who consider themselves active mongers are clinically depressed but may not know it ...

One symptom of depression is addictive behaviors, including coffee drinking, insatiable appetite for sex, gambling etc. These behaviors provide the depressive with an internal chemical 'fix.' Anyway, I'm just glad I came to realize wtf was wrong with me ... but I find the prospect of kicking sexual addiction daunting. Hmmm ... some things are hard to give up.

David Duchovny just got treated for sexual addiction. I'm pretty certain he is getting treatment for depression as well ... and that is why his wife hasn't left him. He's ill, it's that simple.


From the web somewhere:
"The outer part, the adrenal cortex, produces hormones called corticosteroids (pronounced: kor-tih-ko-ster-oydz) that influence or regulate salt and water balance in the body, the body's response to stress, metabolism, the immune system, and sexual development and function. The inner part, the adrenal medulla (pronounced: muh-duh-luh), produces catecholamines (pronounced: kah-tuh-ko-luh-meenz), such as epinephrine (pronounced: eh-puh-neh-frun). Also called adrenaline, epinephrine increases blood pressure and heart rate when the body experiences stress. The pineal (pronounced: pih-nee-ul) body, also called the pineal gland, is located in the middle of the brain. It secretes melatonin (pronounced: meh-luh-toe-nin), a hormone that may help regulate when you sleep at night and when you wake in the morning."

The guy in the article below is probably depressed, with related gambling and/or sexual addictions I'd bet. When people go undiagnosed they can rationalize the most insane behavior, and become numb to consequences. There but for the grace of God, or buddha as you prefer ...


Police: NY teacher's husband strangled his wife and dumped her body after an argument
By FRANK ELTMAN Associated Press Writer | AP
Oct 30, 2008

(MINEOLA, N.Y.) It seemed like one of those classic suburban nightmares: A teacher went to school on Monday morning, sent a loving text message to her husband, then vanished on the side of the road. Her husband became distraught, making tearful pleas for her safe return.

But police said Thursday that those pleas were fake.

They said William Walsh confessed to strangling his wife during a fight over his alleged infidelity. He then dumped her body on an embankment and staged an elaborate hoax to make it look as if she had been a victim of random roadside violence.

Homicide detectives believe the would-be stockbroker killed 29-year-old Leah Walsh on Sunday after he returned from a trip to Atlantic City, N.J. Lt. John Azzata, commander of the Nassau County homicide squad, said that the couple got in a fight, and that he choked her to death as the dispute escalated.

Azzata described the killing as "impulsive. ... It was a domestic situation gone extremely bad" ...

[url]http://www.newsweek.com/id/166470[/url]

Hi guys! Urgent question! I have jumped from my chair when I read:

Возможен выезд.
Возможно все...
Интересует тема зоо...
Фото мои.

translation:
outcall meeting
every service
interested in zoo . . . matter
my picture

But what does she mean with "interested in zoo. Matter"?

was i a bargirl in a past life?

by demented

i have decided to send in this contribution to demonstrate to stickman readers just how completely screwed in the head i am. i have to leave most of my personal details out as if my wife ever found out the truth about me, she would divorce me in an instant and take everything i’ve worked so hard in my life to acquire.

my problem stems back to my childhood as i had an illness that stunted my height, so i am now 5’5”. i am 37 and of normal weight. due to my smaller height, i lacked the confidence during my earlier years to ask cute girls out. i am simply not attracted to normal girls or ones who would not be considered “hot”. so therein lies the problem. how would a smaller than average guy hope to attract a sexy girl when most other guys are competing for the same girl? i tried most everything in high school / college but simply lacked the confidence to approach the desirable girls. i did start to realize though that some guys seemed to have super hot girls when they themselves were no different than me.

i then found that by getting trashed at the bar, the fear of rejection was gone and things got pretty easy. i would just search for a girl more drunk then i was who couldn’t see straight and off we went. the downside was that i never remembered the sex and felt so sick the next morning that i just wanted to vomit. so this cycle continued and then took a turn for the worse.

i reached a point (21 years old) where all i wanted to do was have sex, to the point that it consumed my thinking. all i could do was stare at girls in the mall like some kind of animal. every hot girl i saw, i just fantasized about screwing her. on and on it went. i finally did hook up with a beautiful girl who fulfilled all my sex dreams, but it became unsatisfying after about 6 months because i wanted more girls and variety. by this time, i started to recognize i had a real mental problem. unfortunately, rather than seek professional help, i sought to satisfy my cravings more and more.

one day i was on the internet and saw some personal ads for this country called the philippines. i knew nothing other than remembering some miss universe contestant once from there that was breathtaking. every ad i saw was some young 21 year old looking for a relationship. i couldn’t believe my luck when many even mentioned they were looking to get married. in my demented mind, all i thought was here is the opportunity of a lifetime.

i dumped my girlfriend and went to the philippines to meet some girl from the internet. we married and i brought her back to canada. by this time i was 28 and my career was starting to do pretty well as an airline pilot so i could travel for free and the philippines was easy to get to. well, again it only took about one day when my damn problem came back. right at the wedding reception, i was staring at her extremely busty and beautiful cousin. my new wife saw this and said, ”you know, she used to be a hooker. isn’t that disgusting?” all i could think about was ripping this hooker’s dress off and going down on her. this was my damn wedding day for god’s sake!

so off we went to canada to start our new life. and every flight i worked, that night at the hotel off i went to try and hook up at the local bar. old, young, whatever, i just had this hunger to fill. it just continued to get worse. ironically we went to bangkok for a holiday but i knew so little about the sex scene in thailand that i did nothing wrong. i just never really had a girl approach me, probably because i was with my wife the whole time.

so about a year later, i’m reading about pattaya and suggest to my wife that we try there. i only knew that there was a lot of sex and hookers there. so off we go and the first night, she decides to stay in the room but says...enjoy yourself. so somewhere around soi 7 and beach road i go up this street and feel the bass music thumping and girls running out on the street grabbing guys. it was just overwhelming...it was like i encountered a paradise of my dreams. all i could think about was selling everything and opening my own bar so i could screw all these girls non-stop. i head out to marine disco with a few airline guys i had met earlier and see this dance floor with so many tanned bodies and black miniskirts and smiling faces that i just felt like i had come home.

this girl sees me and asks to dance. after a minute she leans closer and puts her tongue in my mouth and starts grinding....i was done. i just flat out tell her my intentions and off we go to some pay by the hour hotel. i couldn’t have cared less abut my wife waiting for me. by 5 am i was walking home and see this cute girl at a closed bar cleaning up. i wander over and she says...”do you want me....500 baht?”. i said lets go. by 7 am, i show up at the hotel and there’s my wife crying with the security guard looking everywhere for me. she starts going mental but all i could think about was how good the sex was with the first girl...and it was really, really good.

well, i just made some lame excuse, said i fell asleep on the beach. then i showered and went to bed with her slamming the door. of course the marriage deteriorated and soon enough she left. it wasn’t a month after she left that i was back in pattaya. by this time, i knew that the only way i was going to realize my dream of non-stop sex with beautiful girls was to become wealthy. i started an mba because that seemed a good path to wealth.

by the time i was 32, i was finished the mba and sure enough, i married a thai girl from bangkok. brought her back to canada but the sex with strangers started all over again. it has gotten so bad that i’ve just become a chronic liar about my entire life. last year i planned a trip to vietnam with a buddy while she went home to visit her parents but the whole purpose of the trip was to screw vietnamese hotties. it was so easy there, you just go into a club and because you’re white with some money, the host snaps his fingers and 10 beautiful women are standing at your table. and of course, my height is normal for them there. before the trip, i had a few days in bangkok on my own and never stopped....massage parlours, fishbowls, soi cowboy; i lost count after 3 days and these girls were the top of the line in looks.....light skin, tall, big breasts. i just pay them and off we go. some guys say that paying for sex is immoral or there isn’t true passion. i can assure you that girls can get just as horny whether there is money involved or not.

it got to be so bad that when i left my wife to go to the airport and home a week ahead of her, i went back down to the departure levels and grabbed a cab to go back to bangkok and screw the soi cowboy girl some more. she was one of the prettiest girls i have ever seen in my life. i just told my wife the flight was full in hong kong for 3 days (i was on a standby ticket).

so she caught me red handed with the soi cowboy girl by seeing a photo i had taken. she told me the next time, she will divorce me and take half my things. now she has gone to visit her family back in thailand and every weekend i am going to the local bar to hook up. it has gotten to become a sickness that i just can’t seem to control. i quit my flying job after the mba to start my own airline and it has become very successful, to the point where my entire life revolves around making money so we can move 6 months a year to chiang mai in the next year or so. for example, in the past 2 years i’ve made over 1.2 million dollars running these planes. the whole point for me is not the money but to obtain non-stop beautiful girls. how sick is that? married to a wonderful wife who is supportive, kind and funny and thinks the world of me and all i can think about is making another million dollars so i can have a fleet of mia nois in chiang mai?

i have never felt much for any girl i have ever dated or married. at least not in the way you are supposed to feel about love. we’ve now been married 3 years and things are fine...no fighting, i buy her flowers, make her happy, built a house for her parents outside of lampang, and so on. but inside, i am empty. i have never met a girl that has given me any special feeling. i simply got married to have easy access to thai girls because no one questions me now when i go there to visit. to build your entire life and purpose around sex.

i don’t know if it's that i need help because how is a therapist going to make me feel different inside? i know it's wrong to have no remorse for cheating on your wife, but it doesn’t mean i don’t care about her. she says why would i cheat on her if i cared about her but for me it's just a physical desire. i really have no feelings about love or attachment to all these girls i screw....i just crave their moans, wetness, body tension and orgasms and when it's over, i shower, dress and go without even caring to look back. maybe i was a bargirl in a past life.

i do enjoy the time i spend with my wife but these feelings of desire will never go away. i’ve just learned to feed this need by working so hard at my business that i will have all the girls i want in chiang mai shortly. it's sort of like an alcoholic who recognizes he has a drinking problem so he puts his efforts into buying a brewery. i know that in thailand, i can show up at a club in a bmw with nice clothes on and have a choice of beautiful girls, do my thing, and go home. the ironic thing is that my wife’s friend in pattaya is well off and does exactly this. she says it's okay in thai culture because he supplies his wife with everything she asks for so she’s willing to look the other way. then she told me last week it's okay for me to when we move there as long as she doesn’t know about it and it's kept secret so she doesn’t lose face.

maybe this is why i’ve stayed married to her for so long as on one level, she understands me and can make the best of it. i don’t have sex with these girls because i dislike my wife....it's because the draw is so strong that i can’t say no. the feeling when i lift their skirt up and put my hand inside is such a rush that its literally a drug for me. it's an absolute high that must be satisfied at any cost and it keeps my running a airline and working all hours just to finally make my millions and move to chiang mai. i just thank god that this addiction is legal as i can’t imagine trying to control these feelings if i was a pervert with younger girls.

Get posted any where in South East Asia.

You will never reppent being born.

[QUOTE=Illogic]IT I am a DOD worker. What that means is that I spend my time in the two most terrible places on earth. Afghanistan/Iraq…. pick your poison. Oh how I wish there was some sweet pussy to fuck besides extremely childish American female soldiers, OGNs (Other Government Organizations) and local Muslim chicks which may cause an international incident and get you fired if you were lucky enough to get one to remove the burqa. :)

As for the States which I don’t visit much sorry but I don’t find some black street walking crack head appealing. No exaggerations here dude.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=D Cups]Hey Warbucks/Demented, THAT is a GREAT story...I envy your money (congratulations on your success) and how you spend it. I'm a business professor, never married, and have the same unquenchable thirst for young busty beauties, particularly of the Asian persuasion but definitely an "equal opportunity employer"!

I travel to Vietnam annually (usually March or April) to guest lecture all expenses paid and normally visit a neighboring country for additional sexual gratification. Isn't life grand? I would definitely like to be your wing man on one or more of these excursions! Can you please PM me if interested?[/QUOTE]

Man I didn't write that shit. I pulled the article off Stickman's website.

[url]http://www.stickmanbangkok.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader4968.htm[/url]

what do you guys think i should do?

i have a very big sexual appetite. privacy permitting, it is not uncommon for me to masturbate 3 times a day, i manage this easily and sometimes more.

of course, budget permitting i also like to go with pros though this is expensive.

if i could, i would fuck every single day. alas, my skills with attracting and bedding women are poor due to inexperience.

so what can a man like me do? just keep on masturbating? i'd rather have real pussy than the imagined type. i am very frustrated.

btw i would never [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or molest a woman so don't worry about me in that regard. but i have an appetite that is ever present, even can be a few minutes after releasing my load.

do you think i'm addicted to sex? i often just think i am normal.

[QUOTE=Cock Sure]What do you guys think I should do?

If I could, I would fuck every single day. Alas, my skills with attracting and bedding women are poor due to inexperience.

So what can a man like me do? Just keep on masturbating? I'd rather have real pussy than the imagined type. I am very frustrated.

Do you think I'm addicted to sex? I often just think I am normal.[/QUOTE]


All men are sex addicts, so don´t worry about it too much. As long as you can still function normally in society and don`t become one of those weird, stalker dudes you should be OK.

1. Buy more porn. You can never have enough - especially if you live in a "sex prison" country such as the United States.

2. Make more money! Once again, you can´t have enough of the dineiro and the more you have the more access you will have to quality women; whether they be non-pros or pros.

3. If you can´t hook up with appealing women where you live, then purchase a ticket and take trips to someplace where hot chicks are readily available.

Those are three options for you. I personally make use of all three on a regular basis. Are far as if you are normal or not, who the hell knows! Are you attracted to women? Are you not attracted to men? Are not a creepy-stalker-guy? Then you are normal enough.

*Dirty sex makes demons sing with joy!" - DSK

[quote=cock sure]what do you guys think i should do?

i have a very big sexual appetite. privacy permitting, it is not uncommon for me to masturbate 3 times a day, i manage this easily and sometimes more.

of course, budget permitting i also like to go with pros though this is expensive.

if i could, i would fuck every single day. alas, my skills with attracting and bedding women are poor due to inexperience.

so what can a man like me do? just keep on masturbating? i'd rather have real pussy than the imagined type. i am very frustrated.

btw i would never [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or molest a woman so don't worry about me in that regard. but i have an appetite that is ever present, even can be a few minutes after releasing my load.

do you think i'm addicted to sex? i often just think i am normal.[/quote]
cock sure,
wanking yourself multiple times a day is really nothing to worry about, except maybe friction burns on your tool. you're not killing kittens and it's not going to make you blind like mama said. i don't know how old you are, what kind of work you do or your financial position but you might want to consider relocating to where you can feed your need. there are plenty of countries where you can root real fresh holes instead of your palm as many times as you can get it up each day. the best part is that it doesn't have to break the bank. isg member born loser5 is living a life with few material comforts but abundant pleasures of the flesh in the philippines.

it's really all up to you if you want to remain in your present circumstances spanking the monkey, flogging the dolphin, choking the chicken and working the dutch rudder. if you are american and can't or wouldn't leave the us consider moving closer to the southern border where you can visit pros in mexico or cut your spending drastically by making cuts in major expenditures to obtain more cash for mongering abroad. take a clue from the mexican illegals. they get paid a fraction of what the average american makes but they're never short of cash.

[QUOTE=Cock Sure]Do you think I'm addicted to sex? I often just think I am normal.[/QUOTE]
Our tendency to want what we can't have can be very powerful, especially when it comes to sex. If we rarely get it (or we've never had it at all), we can spend a whole lot of time thinking about it. If you think about sex, you get horny and if you get horny, you masturbate...and the more often you orgasm, the more often you want sex. It creates a bit of a cycle. I don't think that's the slightest bit abnormal. I reckon most of us have been there. ;)

Hi!

How do I completely stop masturbating? I have to daily masturbate if I want my day to be a normal one. If I miss masturbation one day then I will be in trouble, like my car will get knocked, or something real bad.

Guys, I'm serious this has really happened to me.

Could it be some kind of psychological problem.

Please I need help.

What do you think of Tiger Woods and his "sex addiction"?

I don't think bagging a dozen or two ladies over the course of several years counts as a sex addiction, any more than watching dirty movies in your hotel room during lonely business trips signifies an addiction to porn. It is just loneliness and opportunity coinciding.

When I look at the definition of sexual addiction, it talks about obessive behaviour, constant fantasizing and pursuing pussy to the detriment of other aspects of your life.

I'm betting Tiger Woods did not have to devote excessive time or energy to feed his "addiction" - he probably just had to smile or maybe just stop beating the girls off. And it doesn't look like his recreational sex interferred with his golf performance or priorities - until outed by his wife.

But he has allowed himself to be labelled and "treated" as if he was a pervert, rather than just a super-healthy guy with normal urges and abnormal opportunities to indulge them.

I'd feel sorry for him if he wasn't being so lame about this.
He should have just come out the day after the lid blew off saying, "Hey, this is between my wife (or ex) and me and hey, it's kind of normal on the sports celebrity (or rock star) circuit."

He should have let Elin divorce him (with her settlement proportionately reduced by his diminished wealth and income prospects, which she directly contributed to destroying) and let it be known that he was now a free agent, sexually speaking. Watch the line up form! Then all the talk would be about what a "catch" or Romeo he was, rather than a liar and cheater.

When in doubt, brazen it out!

[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]What do you think of Tiger Woods and his "sex addiction"?[/QUOTE]

I imagine this is his life line to save the marriage. That is he was told that if he seeks professional help, she will stay with him and I guess he wants her to stay.

Myself I see it as wimpy behavior. The poor guy is going to be on a very tight leash from now on if he gives in to this. Let's face it, "sexual addiction" is sort of how you see it. Are not most of us in some way "addicted" to sex? The therapy industry has gotten a hold of it and I can imagine it is a good money maker for them, convincing mongers who get caught that they are addicted and need expensive therapy to be cured.

Don't get me wrong, for sure sex can have an addictive nature. But clamping the lid on tighter may not be the best way to deal with it. Unless, that is, you want to save your marriage as very few women would let their man off the leash to explore these things properly.

[QUOTE=Angus Magee]I imagine this is his life line to save the marriage. That is he was told that if he seeks professional help, she will stay with him and I guess he wants her to stay.

Myself I see it as wimpy behavior. The poor guy is going to be on a very tight leash from now on if he gives in to this. Let's face it, "sexual addiction" is sort of how you see it. Are not most of us in some way "addicted" to sex? The therapy industry has gotten a hold of it and I can imagine it is a good money maker for them, convincing mongers who get caught that they are addicted and need expensive therapy to be cured.

Don't get me wrong, for sure sex can have an addictive nature. But clamping the lid on tighter may not be the best way to deal with it. Unless, that is, you want to save your marriage as very few women would let their man off the leash to explore these things properly.[/QUOTE]
It is a shame American Media is putting so much pressure on Tiger woods. Considering Sex is healthy and good for the body and mind what Tiger did was normal . I feel there is really no need for him to get help. He is not a drug abuser or did any violent crime. He should divorce his wife and carry on with his dilly dallies. He has enough money to do anything he wants already. Imagine what the sex will be like with his wife with the infidelity hanging around.
He will never have a satisfying sex experience if he is going to stay married. He will be on a tight leash worthy of a dog not of a human.
I do not see the reason for his apologies as if he has committed murder. It is not like he is the first person to cheat on his wife.

[QUOTE=Sammon]I do not see the reason for his apologies as if he has committed murder. It is not like he is the first person to cheat on his wife.[/QUOTE]You are right, he didn't commit murder, HOWEVER, he did lie to his wife about what I can only suppose was some of sort of agreement that he wouldn't sleep with other women.

I am currently single but have been married and made a similar agreement with my wife that I would not have sex with other women.

When I broke that agreement, without telling her, and she found out, there was hell to pay. And, frankly, I can understand her wrath. I lied to her about something that she held very sacred, sexual fidelity.

I now know that if I ever marry again, I can only do so if my spouse accepts my occasional sexual activity outside our marriage.

Now, ideally, that activity would sometimes include her in some sort of three- or more-some activity.

I, for one, will never again enter into a relationship where I have to be anything other than honest about my sexual preferences and actions.

I respectfully suggest that you guys are missing the point about the reason for Tiger's apology and expression of remorse. It's all about endorsements. Tiger became the first athlete in history to rake in a billion dollars because of product endorsements, not through golf purses. A few of his sponsors dropped him and a few are hanging on, but I can assure you that you would never again have seen his face in a product endorsement if he had not made this public apology, and even then it will be a while until we see him in one--probably not until after he resumes playing and wins a major tournament.

As it stands, I think Tiger has already done irreparable damage to himself in this area and that his income will never again be what it was before. As far as endorsements for products catering to families or--especially--to women, forget it. After a while he will probably go back to endorsing products like sporting equipment, shaving stuff, and the like, but I repeat, he will never have the income he had before. So I don't think his apology was wimpy at all; I think it was a matter of economic necessity. I think if a few hundred million dollars rode on my making a public statement of remorse, I would grvel too. Wouldn't you?

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I respectfully suggest that you guys are missing the point about the reason for Tiger's apology and expression of remorse. It's all about endorsements.[/QUOTE]Lorenzo, I respectfully suggest that your analysis is certainly at least half true. I agree a large component of his apology speaks to his desire to ride the endorsement gravy train as far as he can.

However, I believe he possesses, perhaps, a deeper slice of humanity, and truly does feel remorse and seeks reconciliation with his wife, his family, and his fans.

Neither your nor I will ever know for sure. We can only speculate.

[QUOTE=Cybertron]Hi!

How do I completely stop masturbating? I have to daily masturbate if I want my day to be a normal one. If I miss masturbation one day then I will be in trouble, like my car will get knocked, or something real bad.

Guys, I'm serious this has really happened to me.

Could it be some kind of psychological problem.

Please I need help.[/QUOTE]

Think of it this way. Think of yourself (your body) as a car. We all know cars are made of parts, just like the human body is made of parts. We all know that automotive parts only have a certain life and you can only get so many miles on a car or its parts. Do you want to be wasting the miles you have in your dick on your hand? I think not. I prefer to extend the life of mine and I hope to have 18-20 year old chick's bouncing on my cock when I'm well into my later years of life. I mean, I hope that I can still get it up and perform in my later years.

I also think I experience better performance, longer sessions, bigger loads, by not wasting time and miles on masterbation.

Just my honest opinion.

Fitz

[QUOTE=Lorenzo]I respectfully suggest that you guys are missing the point about the reason for Tiger's apology and expression of remorse. It's all about endorsements...

As it stands, I think Tiger has already done irreparable damage to himself in this area and that his income will never again be what it was before. As far as endorsements for products catering to families or--especially--to women, forget it. After a while he will probably go back to endorsing products like sporting equipment, shaving stuff, and the like, but I repeat, he will never have the income he had before. So I don't think his apology was wimpy at all; I think it was a matter of economic necessity. I think if a few hundred million dollars rode on my making a public statement of remorse, I would grvel too. Wouldn't you?[/QUOTE]
I agree that sponsorships are a major element in his current strategy, but I think he has it wrong. The toothpaste is out of the tube and nothing he says is going to get it back in. He can't go back to being Mr. Clean. He needs to rebrand himself. Lots of stars make lots of money on endorsements based on their skills and dominance in a field of activity, not on being saints. He has to accept that he is out of the sainthood business and recalibrate accordingly. But this does not have to be a bad thing. Britney Spears worked the virgin angle for years, then when that was no longer credible switched over to the sex-pot/bad girl persona. Not that she is a role model of anything, except an object lesson that you cannot stay a virgin for ever.

He has rebranded himself as a cheater, a pervert and a wussy, fleeing from his wife's anger and offering her millions to not kick him out of his house. I'm not buying that cologne!
Instead he should rebrand himself as a real man, unafraid to be who he is, yet accepting the consequences of his actions. I'll buy that kind of car or watch!

Woods is like a guy who has taken a bad fall, he should have (and still should) get right back on the horse and prove that he is still the best golfer in the world (if he is) and the biggest draw.
That will make sponsors sit up and take notice.

Bill Maher's take on sexual addiction & Tiger Woods. Yes it is decidedly left wing but he still gets off some pretty good zingers.

Sex addiction starts at 1:38

[url]http://www.videosift.com/video/Real-Time-With-Bill-Maher-Feb-27-2010-NEW-RULES[/url]

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[QUOTE=Gentleman Travel]I agree that sponsorships are a major element in his current strategy, but I think he has it wrong. The toothpaste is out of the tube and nothing he says is going to get it back in. He can't go back to being Mr. Clean. He needs to rebrand himself. Lots of stars make lots of money on endorsements based on their skills and dominance in a field of activity, not on being saints. He has to accept that he is out of the sainthood business and recalibrate accordingly. But this does not have to be a bad thing. Britney Spears worked the virgin angle for years, then when that was no longer credible switched over to the sex-pot/bad girl persona. Not that she is a role model of anything, except an object lesson that you cannot stay a virgin for ever.

He has rebranded himself as a cheater, a pervert and a wussy, fleeing from his wife's anger and offering her millions to not kick him out of his house. I'm not buying that cologne!
Instead he should rebrand himself as a real man, unafraid to be who he is, yet accepting the consequences of his actions. I'll buy that kind of car or watch!

Woods is like a guy who has taken a bad fall, he should have (and still should) get right back on the horse and prove that he is still the best golfer in the world (if he is) and the biggest draw.
That will make sponsors sit up and take notice.[/QUOTE]
I do not understand Tiger Woods. Is he apoligising because he is a real man? If so Hugh Hefner should have been buried with apologies.
what is Tiger afraid of? He has enough money even if he splits half his fortune with his wife. Afraid of loosing kids? Not with the American system.
He has a god given gift of golf he can use to make lots of money.
You think sex with his wife will be any better with his wife constantly feeling he has cheated?
IMHO he should have admitted his transgressions, divorce his wife, fight for custody of children or atleast decent sharing time and move on and fuck more girls. Once he is single nobody will bother who he is with.
Sex has proven to be good for your body, mental status, general well being for your manhood and self confidence whether sex happens inside marriage or outside.
So far he came across as a whimp listening to media, sponsors, wife, lawyers etc.
Commmon Tiger be a man!

But I can't understand why celebrities and, for that matter, anyone, still bothers to apologize for doing anything egregious that they did of their own free will(and loved every minute of it and would do it again "in a heart beat", if they thought that could "get away with it"!) and, had they not been involuntarily "caught", would have continued "ad infinitum"!

Don't they realize that no one believes them or the pathetic excuses they make to "save their own asses", even with their "exhalted" celebrity status, and attempt to "pawn off" the blame of their actions to personal failings and/or external uncontrollable("the devil made me do it!) factors is truly a pathetic joke(on them!).

They would have been much "better served" and shown more character just to let the "chips fall where may" and to keep their mouths shut!

If personal familial, financial and/or social ruin is the outcome, so be it as "they made own their bed(sic) in life, now let them lay in it! " as they have no one and nothing to blame except themselves!

Here's another "take" on the Tiger Woods "saga" who's author(unknown) is a little more charitable than I am:

"This whole idea of someone's weakness being an "addiction" or a disease is at best, disingenuous.

"My definition of a "disease" is something a child has at St Jude's hospital. It is something they had no control of, and struck them because of nothing they did. When a drug abuser chooses to take drugs they do it of their own free will. When a "sex addict" chooses to cheat on their spouse, they do it of their own free will. When either one chooses to do it a second and third time, they choose it themselves. It is not random, and it is not something they cannot avoid, if they want to bad enough. Children with diseases don't have that choice.

So don't try to justify Tiger's problems as something he just could not help doing. He is a grown man with more money than most people will ever see in their lifetime. If you are an "addict" then get help, but don't try to salvage your reputation by making us feel sorry for you."

[QUOTE=Lexb]But I can't understand why celebrities and, for that matter, anyone, still bothers to apologize for doing anything egregious that they did of their own free will(and loved every minute of it and would do it again "in a heart beat", if they thought that could "get away with it"!) and, had they not been involuntarily "caught", would have continued "ad infinitum"!

Don't they realize that no one believes them or the pathetic excuses they make to "save their own asses", even with their "exhalted" celebrity status, and attempt to "pawn off" the blame of their actions to personal failings and/or external uncontrollable("the devil made me do it!) factors is truly a pathetic joke(on them!).

They would have been much "better served" and shown more character just to let the "chips fall where may" and to keep their mouths shut![/QUOTE]In the end, Tiger won. 5 months on and it's all but forgotten. He said what the public wanted to hear and they forgave him. It's what alot of us would have done if we had multi-million dollar contracts to save. But having a think about it, I'm sure he could have gotten away by doing as you said and saying he enjoyed it, etc. The "bad boy" of golf would be a good marketing ploy.

[QUOTE=Johnny Maldiva]In the end, Tiger won. 5 months on and it's all but forgotten. He said what the public wanted to hear and they forgave him. It's what alot of us would have done if we had multi-million dollar contracts to save. But having a think about it, I'm sure he could have gotten away by doing as you said and saying he enjoyed it, etc. The "bad boy" of golf would be a good marketing ploy.[/QUOTE]

He did win, its now a thing of the past. But I disagree that the "bad boy" image would have destroyed his income. He lost lots of his sponsors during the early stages of this public affair. However, once he said he would take time to reconcile with his wife, and was sorry for what he did, companies began to back him again. TAG Hagur watches initially stated that they were dropping him from all future advertisements, but then a few months later (after his apology), the company changed their website to support Tiger.

I think if he went the "bad boy" route, he will still be in the "dog house". All women want an apology when men do something wrong, that's what the public wanted too.

[QUOTE=Alwayshard45; 1094826]He did win, its now a thing of the past. But I disagree that the "bad boy" image would have destroyed his income. He lost lots of his sponsors during the early stages of this public affair. However, once he said he would take time to reconcile with his wife, and was sorry for what he did, companies began to back him again. TAG Hagur watches initially stated that they were dropping him from all future advertisements, but then a few months later (after his apology) , the company changed their website to support Tiger.

I think if he went the "bad boy" route, he will still be in the "dog house". All women want an apology when men do something wrong, that's what the public wanted too. [/QUOTE]It's quiet intriguing to me why public want to hear celelbrities' apology as if it's from his / her heart!

How they [public] would have reacted had he said that I did no wrong, I have taken care of my wife and kid physically, mentally, financially! About the escorts I picked up wherever I went, I paid them well for their time!

There is no unfairness or exploitation anywhere!

Reader's comments solocited.

[QUOTE=Fitz1971; 990454]Think of it this way. Think of yourself (your body) as a car. We all know cars are made of parts, just like the human body is made of parts. We all know that automotive parts only have a certain life and you can only get so many miles on a car or its parts. Do you want to be wasting the miles you have in your dick on your hand? I think not. I prefer to extend the life of mine and I hope to have 18-20 year old chick's bouncing on my cock when I'm well into my later years of life. I mean, I hope that I can still get it up and perform in my later years.

I also think I experience better performance, longer sessions, bigger loads, by not wasting time and miles on masterbation.

Just my honest opinion.

Fitz[/QUOTE]U must be suffering from ADHD, meaning there is deficiency of dopamine in your prefrontal cortex. Try any one of the following and check whether it helps you to overcome deficiency and hence habbit-

1] take tablet Ritalin.

2]Do regular aerobic exercise like running

3] Try pranayama / breathing control.

4]Get married and have planned regular sex

5] U can masterbate as there is nothing wrong with it except unless you develop guilt about it

[quote=cock sure; 925946]alas, my skills with attracting and bedding women are poor due to inexperience.

so what can a man like me do? just keep on masturbating? i'd rather have real pussy than the imagined type. i am very frustrated.

btw i would never [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url] or molest a woman so don't worry about me in that regard. but i have an appetite that is ever present, even can be a few minutes after releasing my load.

i often just think i am normal. [/quote][url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord123][CodeWord123][/url]- avoid doing anything like that as being wasteful, against basic freewill of woman who constitute 50% of population and you can languish in jail!

u must develop patience by improving dopamine as i explained at another blog so that you can attract woman and also your staying power

sex enhances dopamine in your brain.pfc and hence you like it and that makes you impatient about it.

[QUOTE=Fitz1971; 990454]Think of it this way. Think of yourself (your body) as a car. We all know cars are made of parts, just like the human body is made of parts. We all know that automotive parts only have a certain life and you can only get so many miles on a car or its parts. Do you want to be wasting the miles you have in your dick on your hand? I think not. I prefer to extend the life of mine and I hope to have 18-20 year old chick's bouncing on my cock when I'm well into my later years of life. I mean, I hope that I can still get it up and perform in my later years.

I also think I experience better performance, longer sessions, bigger loads, by not wasting time and miles on masterbation.

Just my honest opinion.

Fitz[/QUOTE]Well. I for one will be honest here.

As a teenager, I masterbated as many times a day as I possibly could. Many times, I rubbed my dick raw to the point of bleeding but could not stop. The orgasm was just a greater prize. I didn't do it for lack of sex with other girls, I had PLENTY of attention, was a nice looking sought after guy. I just had a HUGE SEX DRIVE.

I am now 48 years old. On an ordinary day I will masterbate once in the morning and once before sleep, like a schedule. Depending on the day, if I have "alone" time, I will MB more. Sometimes, I see an inspiring ass in a nice pair of jeans and relieve myself in the bathroom stall. I have MB'd as many times as 8 in a day.

My masterbation sessions do not seem to affect my actual companion sex, in fact, I believe enhance them.

I have worried many times that this is a PROBLEM but have been reassured that IF it does not inhibit my ability to work (provide for myself) and other social activities, that there is no reason to worry. I function normally with respect to the rest of my life, and no one around me would have any idea I MB so much. The most recent occasion I told myself "self, you have a problem" is when I had such a throbbing that I just HAD to get a nut. Unfortunately, I was unable to maintain an erection. I was still able to have an ejaculation with a soft dick. Something I've done a few times. Once with a woman. I went soft but she kept grinding on my soft dick outside her pussy and I came. But it happens.

For me, without the orgasms during the day, I simply become disfunctional. Quite the opposite of the definition of addition.

to see if you qualify as a 'sex addict'. (and yes, there is also a link to becoming a 'certified sex addiction therapist'. not sure if the additional qualification of being a 'sex addict' actually helps!). (it did give mr.w00ds an excuse for his 'behavior')

[url]http://www.sexhelp.com/sast.cfm[/url]

[quote=allsaints; 1104552]to see if you qualify as a 'sex addict'. (and yes, there is also a link to becoming a 'certified sex addiction therapist'. not sure if the additional qualification of being a 'sex addict' actually helps!).

[url]http://www.sexhelp.com/sast.cfm[/url]

[/quote]whether i am addicted or not, i like my addiction and there are volumes of information on how orgasms benefit men's health. psychiatrists can draw their imaginary lines of propriety all they want, but for me. i'm going to relieve my throbbing knob.

Good for you, Dude!

[QUOTE=Bobsthrobbinknob;1104555]Whether I am addicted or not, I like my addiction and there are volumes of information on how orgasms benefit men's health. Psychiatrists can draw their imaginary lines of propriety all they want, but for me. I'm going to relieve my throbbing knob.[/QUOTE]

[quote=allsaints; 1104552]to see if you qualify as a 'sex addict'. (and yes, there is also a link to becoming a 'certified sex addiction therapist'. not sure if the additional qualification of being a 'sex addict' actually helps!). (it did give mr. w00ds an excuse for his 'behavior')

[url]http://www.sexhelp.com/sast.cfm[/url][/quote]so i took the test, and low and behold, according to them i'm a sex addict (and need their help). funny thing is, compared to a lot of you sick bastards i think i'm pretty normal. just kidding. but the tells in this test are that they use the same questions that the anti alcohol tests use to prove you're an alcoholic: "has alcohol ever effected your performance the next day?" duh, if you've ever bent one on you've had a hangover. if you're near perfect you only did it once, but most of us have to learn that lesson a few times, i don't think everyone who's ever had a hangover is an alcoholic."has sex ever interfered with your career?", well, unless you're an amoeba i'll bet it has. you wouldn't be a sexual being if it didn't. the question should be has sex ruined your career, but even then you might just have had bad luck. so, after taking this test i still don't know whether my proclivities and the time and resources i devote to the pursuit of sex (both solo and with others) are normal or cause for great alarm. what i do know is another do-gooder ngo is trying to make money off of me. no thanks.

[QUOTE=Fitz1971; 990454]Think of it this way. Think of yourself (your body) as a car. We all know cars are made of parts, just like the human body is made of parts. We all know that automotive parts only have a certain life and you can only get so many miles on a car or its parts. Do you want to be wasting the miles you have in your dick on your hand? I think not. I prefer to extend the life of mine and I hope to have 18-20 year old chick's bouncing on my cock when I'm well into my later years of life. I mean, I hope that I can still get it up and perform in my later years.

Fitz[/QUOTE]Or on the other hand (pun intended) , think of sex like a game. The more you practice, the better the performance.

If your balls don't know what they are supposed to do how would they produce the optimum sperm?

It is not a matter of what you think, we are trying to establish some scientific bases here.

Just completed the sex test, I would say that most of the users of this website are addicts according to the web site. I say you can make a test to prove anything. I would go further to say that a great majority of men would fall into the sex addict category. Haaaa online sex addicts test.

Guys,

I see that rates of web hosts are getting crazy. It means are ready to pay a lot of money to web hosts. However, This is a small service for the paid price.

If we consider average rate per minute is $2. 50 (and it is a nice average). It means one hour video chat with an host will cost $150. Two hours $300. You pay so much money and the girl will almost do nothing for you.

On the other hand, a sex worker in the RLD of Amsterdam or in London will cost 200 euros ($261) and you ll have a great service. So. Save your money to travel. Plan mongering trip but don't waste your money on webcam girls.

Here is a good website to help you stop webcam girls:

[url]http://stopcamgirls.com/[/url]

I would go further to say that a great majority of men would fall into the sex addict category.

Yes totally agree, I would bet everyone who posts on here is on that side of ledger. To be honest I am happy being addicted, never want to quit. EVER.

[QUOTE=JoeBaker75;1269930]I would go further to say that a great majority of men would fall into the sex addict category.[/QUOTE]

I always see my self lying in a bed with some escorts.

I lurk into escorting website like [url]www.adultsearch.com[/url] Erosguide city vibe. And etc.

Just to see some pictures of provider posting their ads. And I usually meet some kind and sweet

Providers, hahah I often masturbate by looking at their sexy photos and when time comes.

I'm going to call them.

As far as I'm concerned, this term 'sex addict' is thrown around far too much, and really like many of these disorders started in Hollweird. The bottom line is sex feels good and people want to feel good. The true disorder is when someone can't feel good or is frigid.

From the time men hit preadolescence we are wired to procreate and pursue sex. The real shame is when people or entities make one feel ashamed for having urges out of our control.

Most men that do have an issue sexually are not sex addicts, but rather are sexually deviants. This crosses over from pursuing women for sexual gratification and relationships to enjoying harming a woman, or sexually perverse behavior. I think pornography viewing is perfectly natural as well. Men are visually stimulated and naked women in the act of sex is pleasurable to us. Now clearly, if a man is glued to his computer all day, masturbating repeatedly to the point he turns away from former hobbies or human relationships and to the extent there is an interference in daily routine and life, there is an issue. At this point however we are dealing with obsessive behavior rather than sexual addiction.

I think one of the greatest causes of social tension in our society is the indoctrination as young children in the belief that sex is dirty and that normal sexual feelings and desires should be suppressed. This leads to massive frustration, broken marriages, and feelings of guilt and shame for something that is entirely normal. The Christian church is behind most of this.

Women really suffer from this, and it often translates into sexual dysfunction or frigidity. My wife is a former stripper from Mexicali. We talked allot about her clients. Most were married to women who cut them off sexually or drastically reduced sex, and whom were prudes in the bedroom. The majority pursued oral sex in particular because wives won't perform it. She said most dumped on her about how frustrated they were, how they just wanted their wives to be sexy and have a little nasty sex on occasion, and overwhelmingly they said they would not frequent sex clubs if their wives were more receptive, attempted to be sexy on occasion, and would open up sexually.

The good thing for me is my wife knows this! So, when I want nasty I get it. Last night was blissful!

I am always surprised why women (in general) want to have only one partner. I love having different girls, it's the little things that make it interesting, they way this girl moans or this girl flinches when you go in the first time or this girl does this and that.

Are most men interested in sex with many partners or this part of sex addict behaviour?

I really have no idea why I can't just never stick to just one.

[QUOTE=SuperRaven; 1336554]I am always surprised why women (in general) want to have only one partner. I love having different girls, it's the little things that make it interesting, they way this girl moans or this girl flinches when you go in the first time or this girl does this and that.

Are most men interested in sex with many partners or this part of sex addict behaviour?

I really have no idea why I can't just never stick to just one.[/QUOTE]I think we are programmed to go after many women. For us quantity is more important then quality because we recuperate fast, less then a day and we ca go for another round. Women have minimum of 9 months recuperation period and that is why for them quality is more important then quantity. That is why they are attracted to handsome (healthy) , rich (good provider) , powerful or famous (leader) kind of guys. That is why they cannot understand why Arnold Shwarzeneger screwed his house maid (poor Hispanic) when he is with such beautiful and prominent Kennedy wife of his. They simply cannot understand how sweet that is. Their brain is just different then ours.

I get incredibly bored very fast. It is enough for me to screw exceptional FKK girls few times to get me not to pick them again but some new ones. Imagine just how is with wife when she is nowhere near age, skills and imagination of FKK girls.

I think sex addict is way overused term, coined by women whose guys wanted to screw any other women but her. They had to make sense out of it.

Cheers.

Hi,

Yes I would agree on your points, I only add that I have heard of girls who do think like men, but I bet same as you that they are few and far between.

[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1336666]I think we are programmed to go after many women. For us quantity is more important then quality because we recuperate fast, less then a day and we ca go for another round. Women have minimum of 9 months recuperation period and that is why for them quality is more important then quantity. That is why they are attracted to handsome (healthy) , rich (good provider) , powerful or famous (leader) kind of guys. That is why they cannot understand why Arnold Shwarzeneger screwed his house maid (poor Hispanic) when he is with such beautiful and prominent Kennedy wife of his. They simply cannot understand how sweet that is. Their brain is just different then ours.

I get incredibly bored very fast. It is enough for me to screw exceptional FKK girls few times to get me not to pick them again but some new ones. Imagine just how is with wife when she is nowhere near age, skills and imagination of FKK girls.

I think sex addict is way overused term, coined by women whose guys wanted to screw any other women but her. They had to make sense out of it.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1336666]I think sex addict is way overused term, coined by women whose guys wanted to screw any other women but her. They had to make sense out of it.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]I had never thought of this angle. Well stated!

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I would like to know more about porn addiction. Its effect and cures. Has anyone undergone treatment for it?

It's really all full of shit, someone does not like you doing something, then OMG its bad and thus an addiction. Studying to much or socialising are all addictions. Like lying, if someone finds out you are lying then its bad if they don't then everything is fine.

[QUOTE=MrWonderful;1358014]I would like to know more about porn addiction. Its effect and cures. Has anyone undergone treatment for it?[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=SuperRaven;1358371]It's really all full of shit, someone does not like you doing something, then OMG its bad and thus an addiction. Studying to much or socialising are all addictions. Like lying, if someone finds out you are lying then its bad if they don't then everything is fine.[/QUOTE]Well said. Guys should start to believe that as long as you're not offending anyone, then whatever you're doing is ok.

[QUOTE=Hedonian;1336666]I think we are programmed to go after many women. For us quantity is more important then quality because we recuperate fast, less then a day and we ca go for another round. Women have minimum of 9 months recuperation period and that is why for them quality is more important then quantity.[/QUOTE]Agreed, it's fantastic to be able to screw many women and then just simply forget about them. I tell you, if I had to remember all the girls I screwed in 2012, that would be close to impossible as there were so many (ok, living in Bangkok really helps).

I can't know what women really think (as I am not one) but I can tell you that as a man, I would not be able to live with only 1 woman. Different faces, boobs, pussies, ah, I love variety.

[QUOTE=NicFrenchy; 1364338]Agreed, it's fantastic to be able to screw many women and then just simply forget about them. I tell you, if I had to remember all the girls I screwed in 2012, that would be close to impossible as there were so many (ok, living in Bangkok really helps).

I can't know what women really think (as I am not one) but I can tell you that as a man, I would not be able to live with only 1 woman. Different faces, boobs, pussies, ah, I love variety.[/QUOTE]I tried for many years to deny the interest I had in dating and bedding many many women. Put up the false " happily married man " front. Recently thats all changed and I'm loving it now as Ronald Mcdo might say. I couldn't live again as that guy. Maybe one day in the future perhaps, but right now my dance card is marked for 5 dates a week. Manila trip will see me have 7 bonks in 6 days etc. Its all good and its the way I was programmed to be.

[QUOTE=Lugalzaggizi;1364423]Women in general want monogamy, but they want to be desired by more than one partner.[/QUOTE]Agreed, Men need to be Loved, women need to be Wanted.

[QUOTE=FreebieFan;1364362]I tried for many years to deny the interest I had in dating and bedding many many women. Put up the false " happily married man " front. Recently thats all changed and I'm loving it now as Ronald Mcdo might say. I couldn't live again as that guy.[/QUOTE]Better late than never.

I live and work in Thailand so I also have my Dance card Full quite often.

Hedonian!. This is so true. And a very good way to explain it!

[QUOTE=Hedonian; 1336666]I think we are programmed to go after many women. For us quantity is more important then quality because we recuperate fast, less then a day and we ca go for another round. Women have minimum of 9 months recuperation period and that is why for them quality is more important then quantity. That is why they are attracted to handsome (healthy) , rich (good provider) , powerful or famous (leader) kind of guys. That is why they cannot understand why Arnold Shwarzeneger screwed his house maid (poor Hispanic) when he is with such beautiful and prominent Kennedy wife of his. They simply cannot understand how sweet that is. Their brain is just different then ours.

I get incredibly bored very fast. It is enough for me to screw exceptional FKK girls few times to get me not to pick them again but some new ones. Imagine just how is with wife when she is nowhere near age, skills and imagination of FKK girls.

I think sex addict is way overused term, coined by women whose guys wanted to screw any other women but her. They had to make sense out of it.

Cheers.[/QUOTE]

I read a theory that one of the reason that most young men (under 45 years) do not have a good private economy is because they use too much of there time thinking about sex or hunting after sex. When they get older they change focus and their economical situation improves. Any thoughts?

[QUOTE=Kuma Pamper;1378173]I read a theory that one of the reason that most young men (under 45 years) do not have a good private economy is because they use too much of there time thinking about sex or hunting after sex. When they get older they change focus and their economical situation improves. Any thoughts?[/QUOTE]I don't think there is much doubt about that. Young men waste a lot of time, energy, and resources in the process of finding sex. Nature drives men to seek sex from the moment they enter puberty. A lot of the teenage years are spent trying to attract females, often to the detriment of academic performance. It doesn't stop in college where young guys spend money on clothes, cars and apartments that they can't afford. Some of the money comes from parents and part time jobs but most of it comes from student loans that these young studs will spend decades paying off with interest. The pattern continues after college compounded with marriage, kids, divorce, alimony and child support. All of these can be considered costs associated with sex. However, older guys are not exactly immune from having a bad economy due to hunting sex. Lots of elderly guys blow their retirement accounts chasing young poon in all the usual monger destinations. Others marry girls 40 or 50 yrs their junior and take them back to their home country only to have their bank accounts cleaned out and find themselves out of house and home after she pops out a kid or two then sues for divorce. Mongering comes with hotel bills, airfare, bar fines, service fees, etc. It's not exactly a cheap hobby for those seeking clean high quality sex workers. Now the post below made me double over with laughter but going broke just to bust a nut isn't uncommon for Westerners at all.

[QUOTE=Newton York; 1385522]Hmm. I think Czech companion is too pricey for me, maybe if I can afford it someday. I get what you mean with k5 relax, I feel like I got lucky that way the first time I went to showpark last year, but this time around, not so much. It's like with karolina at sweet paradise. I couldn't find anything like her ever again no matter how many times I tried. I suppose 2 or 3 days if I can book the right girl in advance. Thing of it is I'm completely broke man. Completely, utterly broke. I basically shot my whole wad, in every sense of the word on this trip. But man, it was worth it. I think by the time I can afford to go back to prague, the existing best-privat line up would be completely different, I doubt I'll be able to go back at least until 2 to 3 years from now. Damn this bad economy, losing my job is bad enough, but I can hardly make ends meet now. I think that shows just how extreme I am when it comes to poon. That I'd rather go broke than not fuck wh. Man, I fucking love wh. I wish I could afford the fkk experience man, but right now I can't even afford to go to montreal and it's right next door. Unless I can find a job soon, I think I'm basically retiring from the hobby. It's funny how life works out man, I've finally found some meaning in my life, I've finally found a vacation spot on this planet that I absolutely love, I finally found something that keeps me going and it's Czech prostitutes, but then fate has it's own plans I suppose.

In the end, between choosing to visit Bangkok or going back to prague again, I'm so glad I went with prague again. It makes me sad though, odds are if I ever get to go back, most of the chicks would have retired, but who was it that said "I get older, but the chicks stay the same age, heh heh". Man, fuck this economy dude. When I had a good job I was making it rain in stupid strip clubs in NY and Vegas, never knowing that I shoulda saved up all that cash for primo prague poon. Hindsight is always 20/20 ain't it? I just didn't know back then. Hell, I was so clueless I didn't even think enough to seriously consider Bangkok. I could write a whole damn thesis on the korean incall scene in New York (I ain't talking about the semi legit AMP middle aged crap either, I'm talking about the quality dames) , even some of the escorts here, but I was so wrapped up in my work I never thought to get on a freakin' plane and fly to someplace that was truly worth it. It's like when I had cash, I only knew enough to taste the samples, and now that I have access to the whole damn candy store, I've ran out of cash. Life is cruel my friends. Life is cruel indeed. Enjoy the mongering fellow hobbyists, if I ever get my financial shit together again, I'll report here, until then, see you around fellas. Happy mongering and fuck safe.[/QUOTE]

I have been a prolific *****mongerer since the age of 13 and have bedded 1000+ women but now I am thinking of taking a break. The whole exercise of mongering seems to be so vacuous & vapid. It's like going thru the motions. I feel empty & pointless after banging a working girl. No new value or enjoyment is really derived. I might take a break and try some intellectual engagement / dating some women. There has got to be more to life than humping women and getting high. At least I really hope there is. I might even become asexual and abstain for a while. Civilian or professional, pussy is just pussy ultimately. I have a high level of skepticism as to whether the dating thing can ever work for people like us who've been to the other side and experienced great pleasure and variety. /rant

[QUOTE=TonyIndian;1390918]I have been a prolific *****mongerer since the age of 13 and have bedded 1000+ women but now I am thinking of taking a break. The whole exercise of mongering seems to be so vacuous & vapid. It's like going thru the motions. I feel empty & pointless after banging a working girl. No new value or enjoyment is really derived. I might take a break and try some intellectual engagement / dating some women. There has got to be more to life than humping women and getting high. At least I really hope there is. I might even become asexual and abstain for a while. Civilian or professional, pussy is just pussy ultimately. I have a high level of skepticism as to whether the dating thing can ever work for people like us who've been to the other side and experienced great pleasure and variety. /rant[/QUOTE]You are supposed to feel vacuous and empty after busting your nuts! There is no higher plane of enlightenment or extra-dimensional experience obtained through the biological function of expelling your semen. The sensation of being physically and spiritually spent after ejaculating your currency, and losing your precious bodily fluids, is completely normal in the mongering profession.

Latin proverb: After sexual intercourse every animal is sad, except the cock (rooster) and the woman.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1391082]You are supposed to feel vacuous and empty after busting your nuts! There is no higher plane of enlightenment or extra-dimensional experience obtained through the biological function of expelling your semen. The sensation of being physically and spiritually spent after ejaculating your currency, and losing your precious bodily fluids, is completely normal in the mongering profession.[/QUOTE]

There is no such thing as addiction when it comes to this matter. As a matter of fact it is good for the health. It was proven that during intercourse your stamina will increase and your physical health will strengthen. So doing intercourse at any pace will definitely good for your health, good for your cardio / heart funcion too.

[QUOTE=One Eyed Man;1391312]Latin proverb: After sexual intercourse every animal is sad, except the cock (rooster) and the woman.[/QUOTE]Hehehe that's why the French call it "la petite mort"

Symptoms of Sexual Addiction.

[quote]By Michael Herkov, PH. D.

While there is no official diagnosis for sex addiction, clinicians and researchers have attempted to define the disorder using criteria based on chemical dependency literature. They include:

Frequently engaging in more sex and with more partners than intended.

Being preoccupied with or persistently craving sex; wanting to cut down and unsuccessfully attempting to limit sexual activity.

Thinking of sex to the detriment of other activities or continually engaging in excessive sexual practices despite a desire to stop.

Spending considerable time in activities related to sex, such as cruising for partners or spending hours online visiting pornographic Web sites.

Neglecting obligations such as work, school or family in pursuit of sex.

Continually engaging in the sexual behavior despite negative consequences, such as broken relationships or potential health risks.

Escalating scope or frequency of sexual activity to achieve the desired effect, such as more frequent visits to prostitutes or more sex partners.

Feeling irritable when unable to engage in the desired behavior.[/quote]

[QUOTE=Ilasan;1474845]Symptoms of Sexual Addiction.[/QUOTE]No such thing as sexual addiction. What next? Will there be something called "breathing addiction?" Symptoms include always trying to inhale deeply, breathing through mouth even though sufficient to just breath through nostrils.

According to this article, sexual intercourse is not only fun and good exercise, it also improves your immune system.

[url]http://dailyhealthpost.com/beyond-heart-health-and-burning-calories-4-new-reasons-to-have-sex/[/url]#axzz2kGh17YNi.

So I think governments around the world should promote sex, rather than trying to prevent it.

More sex= healthier people!

So would checking this ISG forum every five minutes considered sexual addiction?

No seriously. What's the threshold between normal use and abuse in your view?

There is quite a lot of neuroscience published in the last five years confirming that internet porn is an addiction, that causes erectile dysfunction in young males and other symptoms misdiagnosed as social anxiety, ADHD or other disorders. This talk summarizes the research: [url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/garys-tedx-talk-great-porn-experiment[/url]. The main web site (yourbrainonporn. Com) has a variety of other interesting material you can read. Especially interesting are the stories of men who have given up all internet porn and masturbation and report significant improvement in their sex lives and overall motivation and well-being. Food for thought.

[QUOTE=TonyIndian;1390918]I have been a prolific *****mongerer since the age of 13 and have bedded 1000+ women but now I am thinking of taking a break. The whole exercise of mongering seems to be so vacuous & vapid. It's like going thru the motions. I feel empty & pointless after banging a working girl. No new value or enjoyment is really derived. I might take a break and try some intellectual engagement / dating some women. There has got to be more to life than humping women and getting high. At least I really hope there is. I might even become asexual and abstain for a while. Civilian or professional, pussy is just pussy ultimately. I have a high level of skepticism as to whether the dating thing can ever work for people like us who've been to the other side and experienced great pleasure and variety. /rant[/QUOTE]Hey man, I totally understand where you are coming from. Maybe it's a different level but I've had very similar feelings. For me they are satiated when I have some pros or non pro fuck buddies who are my friends. There is no pressure of an actual relationship but there is mutual emotion, caring, chemistry, etc. If I don't have that, I go nuts. If it is just a string of faceless pussies, it gets boring so fast. You also mentioned getting high, well whatever drug it is it's always an escape from the world and it all feels just a little more foreign when you get back, right? Same thing with pros vs dating. You start going out with a woman and you're thinking, fuck, I a spending this time on money that I could be spending cutting straight to the fucking chase.

That said, it's not hopeless. Try dating, look for people who are not cold calls, girls you meet organically. Make a pact with yourself not to *push hard* to sleep with them. You've been sleeping with girls as soon as you met them, how's that going? Try engaging intellectually first. If that doesn't work, here is another suggestion, try having two sets of female friends. One that is a set to fuck and suck, and one that is strictly based on shared interests, common personality traits, etc. I find this serves me very, very well. Many of my best friends are women and unlike when I was younger, I never had any intention of sleeping with them.

Lastly, if you're thinking "there's more to life," well, there is. With anything-prosties, dope, being heavily infatuated with a woman, masochism, sadism, etc-you get caught up in these rushes that become compulsions. Honestly of them I think being in the early stages of being in love is probably the strongest and most detaching, though I've never been a heroin addict LOL. These things disconnect you from life's simple pleasures and the satisfaction of working hard in order to see something through.

So, if you do take a break from sex, drugs or both, make sure your time is filled with some productive that you enjoy. If you just sit around depriving yourself, you will be miserable and probably better off once you (quickly) slide back into your old habits. Cheers and good luck.

[QUOTE=Chocha Monger;1391082]You are supposed to feel vacuous and empty after busting your nuts! There is no higher plane of enlightenment or extra-dimensional experience obtained through the biological function of expelling your semen. The sensation of being physically and spiritually spent after ejaculating your currency, and losing your precious bodily fluids, is completely normal in the mongering profession.[/QUOTE]I don't think he meant physically or even intellectually, I think he meant emotionally.

[QUOTE=PianoPlayer; 1529868]There is quite a lot of neuroscience published in the last five years confirming that internet porn is an addiction, that causes erectile dysfunction in young males and other symptoms misdiagnosed as social anxiety, ADHD or other disorders. This talk summarizes the research:

[url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/garys-tedx-talk-great-porn-experiment[/url]

The main web site (yourbrainonporn. Com) has a variety of other interesting material you can read. Especially interesting are the stories of men who have given up all internet porn and masturbation and report significant improvement in their sex lives and overall motivation and well-being. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]I didn't mean porn in my question about ISG, in fact, if one's interested in porn, there are a lot of other places where one can find free porn.

well i think i am a sex addict. i think about sez 24/7 and spend a ton of money on hookers. i moved to a different city to have easier access to paid sex. i keep paying for sex even though i want to stop, i can't stop.

not sure what to do, i am only 26 but i just want to fuck hot women. paid sex is so easy and the women so hot and slutty, that's my thing. not sure if i can ever be normal ie a girlfriend, not sure after all this paid sex if i could just drop it.

to me its scary that sex rules over my life. maybe i need to see a therapist.

[quote=mr oreilly;1534308]to me its scary that sex rules over my life. maybe i need to see a therapist.[/quote]you need to take a trip to cebu.

[quote=mr oreilly; 1534308]well i think i am a sex addict. i think about sez 24/7 and spend a ton of money on hookers. i moved to a different city to have easier access to paid sex. i keep paying for sex even though i want to stop, i can't stop.

not sure what to do, i am only 26 but i just want to fuck hot women. paid sex is so easy and the women so hot and slutty, that's my thing. not sure if i can ever be normal ie a girlfriend, not sure after all this paid sex if i could just drop it.

to me its scary that sex rules over my life. maybe i need to see a therapist.[/quote]compared to a lot of other vices, i don't find p4p to be that bad. as long as it's not disrupting your professional life and finances, i don't see a problem with it.

in my case, if i didn't bang hookers, i would live a life that even a mormon missionary would find boring. i don't do drugs, rarely drink, don't gamble anymore, so p4p is really the only "exciting" thing in my life, the only thing that gets my juices flowing, so to speak.

if paying for pussy is the worst thing you do, be thankful. i had friends in my 20s destroy their lives with drugs and alcohol. now that i'm in my 30s, the rest of my friends are getting screwed by their ex-wives, or stuck in dead end, miserable jobs. be thankful you have none of these problems.

[quote=mr oreilly;1534308]to me its scary that sex rules over my life. maybe i need to see a therapist.[/quote]tell me about it. i have a pussy pack-a-day habit myself. don't worry, just wait it out. likely by the time you hit 60, you will be over it. enjoy life and celebrate your habits, asianrain

[QUOTE=Asian Rain;1534559]Likely by the time you hit 60, you will be over it[/QUOTE]Me thinks no. Age doesn't cure addictions. I'm 52 now and it has gotten worse and at least one of my friends is in his mid sixties and no signs of slowing down. Why the fuss anyway? Pussy is for fun, as much and as often as you like. Just add more other pleasures to your life as well and I'm sure that feeling of emptiness goes by.

[QUOTE=Bareback Jack;1534566]Me thinks no. Age doesn't cure addictions. I'm 52 now and it has gotten worse and at least one of my friends is in his mid sixties and no signs of slowing down. Why the fuss anyway? Pussy is for fun, as much and as often as you like. Just add more other pleasures to your life as well and I'm sure that feeling of emptiness goes by.[/QUOTE]I am in my seventies and the sex drive is as high as it ever was. Perhaps one does not cum as often but the pleasures of sex rank really high. Women have menopause and in a different way men do. It just is a more gradual decline. One can decrease the rate of aging with a good sex life to maintain those rampant hormones.

[QUOTE=PianoPlayer; 1529868]There is quite a lot of neuroscience published in the last five years confirming that internet porn is an addiction, that causes erectile dysfunction in young males and other symptoms misdiagnosed as social anxiety, ADHD or other disorders. This talk summarizes the research:

[url]http://yourbrainonporn.com/garys-tedx-talk-great-porn-experiment[/url]

The main web site (yourbrainonporn. Com) has a variety of other interesting material you can read. Especially interesting are the stories of men who have given up all internet porn and masturbation and report significant improvement in their sex lives and overall motivation and well-being. Food for thought.[/QUOTE]Hah, thinly disguised anti-masturbation site. Big on hearsay and light on science.

[QUOTE=Adelino; 1529227]So would checking this ISG forum every five minutes considered sexual addiction?

No seriously. What's the threshold between normal use and abuse in your view?[/QUOTE]There is no good definition of "addiction", only of "addiction" that is harmful, I. E. It becomes "abuse": as long as your social, professional, family, cultural, . Life is not significantly impaired by your "addiction", I wouldn't worry.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1534600]Hah, thinly disguised anti-masturbation site. Big on hearsay and light on science.[/QUOTE]I would agree with it to a degree. Watching porn all the time and wanking all day, on top of moving into more extreme porn to get turned on, is definitely not a good thing. Normal use of porn is okay, but there are some people, like I was, who watch it all the time and masturbate like 3 times a day, that ain't normal

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1534600]Hah, thinly disguised anti-masturbation site. Big on hearsay and light on science.[/QUOTE]Actually what I took from this was that I would enjoy PFP with real chicas more if I lay off the porn. The tolerance and dopamine effects of the infinite supply of on-line porn sound perfectly plausible. I did not mean to suggest that ISG was the equivalent of porn, and was not replying to any prior posts.

[QUOTE=PianoPlayer;1534633]Actually what I took from this was that I would enjoy PFP with real chicas more if I lay off the porn. The tolerance and dopamine effects of the infinite supply of on-line porn sound perfectly plausible. I did not mean to suggest that ISG was the equivalent of porn, and was not replying to any prior posts.[/QUOTE]I fully agree with you and the logic behind that website. I have noticed results from abstaining from porn; its not all bs.

[QUOTE=Mr OReilly;1534808]I fully agree with you and the logic behind that website. I have noticed results from abstaining from porn; its not all bs.[/QUOTE]That website appeals to naive logic: it is the same as saying that you will appreciate one slice of dry bread more than always eating good food if you first starve yourself.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1535122]That website appeals to naive logic: it is the same as saying that you will appreciate one slice of dry bread more than always eating good food if you first starve yourself.[/QUOTE]I understand your point of view as well. The issue is when porn is watched too much and your tastes morph. For example when normal porn doesn't get you off and you have to go to more extreme levels to get off.

I am not saying never pull your goalie, I am just saying that I agree with the site to the degree that porn can be harmful to real life sex because it will morph your views on sex.

[QUOTE=Wolvenvacht;1534601]There is no good definition of "addiction", only of "addiction" that is harmful, I. E. It becomes "abuse": as long as your social, professional, family, cultural, . Life is not significantly impaired by your "addiction", I wouldn't worry.[/QUOTE]There a line between addiction and human necessity. Such as food, water, sleep, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url], human interaction, feeling of well being. Most of those like eating can be abused and may be classified as an addiction.

But really?

I don't see normal functioning good people who have a high sex drive or thin people who constantly pig out as having problems. Just a high sex drive and high metabolism. No harm no foul.

My current GF eats like a cow all day long. She is rail thin. Eating disorder / addiction or high metabolism?

But if you are eating to obesity and poor health or damaging important aspects of your life (family, wallet, work) through excess, even of good habits such as sleep then you might need to seek help.

How many have ruined their lives due to a high sex drive? Probably not many.

The tail does not wag the dog and in regards to porn, porn is just an aid to someone having a high sex drive and not the proportional amt of frequency of sex to satiate that drive. Blaming porn is like blaming lube.

And why is it a bad thing to have a body that craves orgasm 4-5 times a day? My body craves 6 hours of sleep a night. My girl needs a solid 9. Should she seek help?

Worse things:

Uncontrollable shopping and debt, smoking, drinking, drugs, violent tendencies, gambling, crime, and really bad karaoke performances.

[QUOTE=Sailor Jim; 1535308]There a line between addiction and human necessity. Such as food, water, sleep, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url], human interaction, feeling of well being. Most of those like eating can be abused and may be classified as an addiction.

Worse things:

Uncontrollable shopping and debt, smoking, drinking, drugs, violent tendencies, gambling, crime, and really bad karaoke performances.[/QUOTE]I agree totally with Sailor Jim.

A balance towards a little more needs than some others I would not consider an addiction. Addictions impact more than individuals in many most negative ways.

I do believe that consistently repeated bad karaoke performances can be considered addictions. ROLMFAO!

Thanks for that Jim!

Do you know some good porn games? I could be for example something similar to.

[url]http://pusooy.net/main.php?site=pusooy[/url]

Hello,

What happens to a sex addict who's supply is cut off suddenly. That's the phase I am going through right now. What medication I can take to help me get over it?

CT

[QUOTE=Cybertron; 1562650]Hello,

What happens to a sex addict who's supply is cut off suddenly. That's the phase I am going through right now. What medication I can take to help me get over it?

CT[/QUOTE]Sex addiction is not a physical addiction: your body does not get withdrawal symptoms. Jerk off if your balls are hurting or even better get a hot young thing in your bed and let her milk you of your excess sexual energy.

[QUOTE=Otari;1556718]Do you know some good porn games? I could be for example something similar to.

[url]http://pusooy.net/main.php?site=pusooy[/url][/QUOTE]Try this if you like rpg sex detective game.

[URL]http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/494636[/URL]

I looked into chemical castration. I did some research and if you don't have the willpower to stop, its something you can look at. I just can't pull the trigger and go through with it at the moment.

[QUOTE=SailorJim;1535308]There a line between addiction and human necessity. Such as food, water, sleep, [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord112][CodeWord112][/url], human interaction, feeling of well being. Most of those like eating can be abused and may be classified as an addiction.

But really?

I don't see normal functioning good people who have a high sex drive or thin people who constantly pig out as having problems. Just a high sex drive and high metabolism. No harm no foul.

My current GF eats like a cow all day long. She is rail thin. Eating disorder / addiction or high metabolism?

But if you are eating to obesity and poor health or damaging important aspects of your life (family, wallet, work) through excess, even of good habits such as sleep then you might need to seek help.

How many have ruined their lives due to a high sex drive? Probably not many.[/QUOTE]Could have not said it better myself. I thought I was a sex addict, but really it's just that, thankfully, we have longer life spans, more leisure time, abundance, and hotter women than say, 50-100-1000's of years ago.

In fact, sexual frustration leads to a lot of those worse things mentioned.

I have seen that many addiction can be overcome if you can keep yourself busy with some work which interests you so that it occupy most of your brain activity. Try jerking off and slowly reduce the number of times you jerk off until you feel control over it. All the best man! I hope you overcome it soon.

[QUOTE=Cybertron;1562650]Hello,

What happens to a sex addict who's supply is cut off suddenly. That's the phase I am going through right now. What medication I can take to help me get over it?

CT[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Speed2487;1780280]I have seen that many addiction can be overcome if you can keep yourself busy with some work which interests you so that it occupy most of your brain activity. Try jerking off and slowly reduce the number of times you jerk off until you feel control over it. All the best man! I hope you overcome it soon.[/QUOTE]Also stop watching porn too or semi porn.

Sex addiction (the compulsive sexual behavior described here) should not be confused with disorders such as pedophilia or bestiality.

For some people, sex addiction can be very dangerous and lead to great difficulties in relationships. Like drug or alcohol dependence, it has the potential to negatively affect a person's physical and mental health, personal relationships, quality of life, and safety.

It has been kind of scary for me. It started in January 2009 with a prostitute and just kind of went from there. I didn't start keeping track until things have really gotten out of hand the last few years.

Sexual addiction sucks your energy. Sex (or even masturbation) is hard on the heart, hard on the body. It can also suck your money dry, depending on what you are doing. It makes you feel tired all the time. It hurts your self discipline and takes a toll on esteem. You are also more impulsive and find it harder to control other urges.

What I've learned is engaging in a sex act with another person is similar to doing drugs like marijuana or alcohol on a spiritual level. When a person drinks alcohol or smokes pot it kind of opens the door to negative forces.

Hey,

I stopped doing drugs and drinking, can't I be a little bit addicted?

I have been doing this since I was a teenager. I don't consider my mongering as an addiction. It is the way I procure my sexual needs that otherwise would not be met in the civilian world. (smile)

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2534152]I have been doing this since I was a teenager. I don't consider my mongering as an addiction. It is the way I procure my sexual needs that otherwise would not be met in the civilian world. (smile)[/QUOTE]Hahah I'm al probably a sex addict but I guess there are worse things I could be spending my time and money on.

[URL]https://www.exberliner.com/features/zeitgeist/assisted-loving/[/URL]

This is a good thread topic and some good posts. Considering the age profile of SEAsian expats, the above link should be of interest to them and others in old folks' homes or with terminal ailments. Having sex with such folk is a dirty job but someone has to do it. It is even in the Old Testament, an aging King David getting his rocks off with hookers a fifth of his age. Mind you, elsewhere, God tells Hosea to marry a hooker. This would suit some of the cuckolds here.

I guess we will have to soldier on, and pay the hookers, our own one armed bandits.

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I have serious urge to watch porn when alone and believe this is messing my sex life. Any tips to let go of this urge?

[QUOTE=Alengeo90;2664138]I have serious urge to watch porn when alone and believe this is messing my sex life. Any tips to let go of this urge?[/QUOTE]Have a woman with you 24 x7?

[QUOTE=Alengeo90;2664138]I have serious urge to watch porn when alone and believe this is messing my sex life. Any tips to let go of this urge?[/QUOTE]Block porn sites on your wifi router, apps to block on phone. Take up some hobby that involves community meets, learn music, etc.

Just add something to your schedule that makes you less alone.

Many say it causes issues, however working girls love it and even normal girls too. Many have their own private photos and vids right on their phone. Try sharing porn with open minded girls you meet, send them your favorite vids and don't send dick pics! At least until they ask.

Have had a great summer of trading vids and pics with local girls in my area and have made all of them my fuck*****s. I was friendly and patient but once I was able to establish they like the adult vids I have helped them with their x rated urges.

[QUOTE=Artisttyp;2534152]I have been doing this since I was a teenager. I don't consider my mongering as an addiction. It is the way I procure my sexual needs that otherwise would not be met in the civilian world. (smile)[/QUOTE]I agree. Saying you have a "sex addiction" is like saying you have a "food addiction". We all have these natural urges, some guys pig out (albeit sex, food, etc.) to the point where it affects health, money, and relationships negatively. Then instead of admitting personal responsibility, they claim to have an "addiction".

[QUOTE=Alengeo90;2664138]I have serious urge to watch porn when alone and believe this is messing my sex life. Any tips to let go of this urge?[/QUOTE]I used to skip work just to watch porn, better lately. But usually a daily thing.