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hiya piper...I live in a town called Cd. Hidalgo. I originally moved there because a friend of a friend had a house I could use there for free. That has changed, though. So why am I still here if Morelia is so great? Well, in the two years that I've been here I've grown to like the people and I've developed quite a few close relations. There's also an economic advantage to living in a smaller town: No competition. In Morelia, there are many English Institutes and quite a few Americans. But here, I am the only Gringo in town and I have no competition. It's either study with me or get on a bus for a couple of hours. Having said all that, though, I am planning at least a partial move to Morelia in the near future.
just to touch on a point you made. I left the USA because I wanted to get away from all the materialism. My life is very simple now and that's the way I wanted it. I get the feeling that you want to leave the USA and still want to live like you did in the States. That's fine. To each his own, but I will warn you that you might be very disillusioned. The first few months here are blissful: You have a pocket full of cash and everything's rosy. Then, somewhere around the end of your first year, reality starts to hit hard. Even with your savings and the money you make from working, you will find yourself slowly sliding downhill economically. The problem here is that they nickel and dime you to death. 20 pesos here, 30 there and pretty soon you are living barely from payment to payment. That's how the people live here, they borrow from one to pay another. Of course, all of this can be overcome. I did. But I did so by simplifying my lifestyle even moreso than I had intended. So, Prokofiev is right. If you want to live in luxury and never have to worry about money, save up a dozen or so years and move down south.
When/If you decide to come down I will be more than happy to give you a few names and act as a guide...
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Miller and Prokoliev:
I'm still interested in Chicas...
:)
I'm out of the country (Japan/Korea/Russia), I have limited Internet access, I'll be back Oct/Nov,
Leave some Morelianas for me...
Regards,
Cupido Morboso,
P.S.
I have girlfriend now so....no hobby... for some time...
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Cupido,
Glad to see you're still "here", at least in spirit. Two of my favorite places are Morelia (all of central Mexico) and Barcelona. You seem to have strong connections and good info on both places. Will be in Barcelona again for a month in November. Welcome back.
Miller. The reason I strongly recommend earning and saving some cash$$$ is NOT so one can live in luxury. I've always lived beneath my means as a matter of choice - and you can live simply in the US as well as Mexico. For me, it's a matter of freedom and security. If living in Morelia is a little too expensive for you, how could you ever live in Guadalajara or Mex City, much less NY, London, Paris etc.? Maybe none of this interests you, but the freedom to live or travel where you want, how you want, is very important to me. Security doesn't mean living in a castle with guards to watch over your possessions. But it does mean that you can pay your medical expenses for an operation or long hospital stay. That you don't have to worry about missing work and not eating. I believe you could live a very similar life in the US and still make some money for your future. At a later date, you can then drop out and return to Mexico or where ever with more of a security blanket. I worked in a high paying job for over 20 years yet never bought a car. I took the bus to work - and enjoyed it, while others drove sportscars and bought boats. It all depends on the individual and what they want. I value experiences, not possessions yet I need to have options available. The wealthy man can live where and how he chooses. The poor man has few options. A few sacrifices early in life can assure your future. Peace - P
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Cupido...Welcome Back!!! We thought that we'd lost you to the Pink Team!!! (just kidding).
Proko...I didn't mean to imply that you were looking for luxury. It just seemed that Gpiper was concerned about the big lifestyle change involved in moving to Mexico. Having money aside for emergencies is good and strongly recommended. I came here with a relatively small amount saved and I was lucky enough to not need extra cash for an emergency. I've always lived a gypsy lifestyle (except for the horrible, horrible stint in corporate America) and I've been lucky enough to have an angel on my shoulder the whole time- this is not the case with most people. I wanted to drop out completely because I felt that even the slightest amoung of "security" would hold me down and prevent me from making my lifestyle change. Almost like learning to swim, but never letting go of the boat. To each his own. That's the beauty of life, but I feel that my current hapiness is entirely due to the fact that I made the committment to change with all my heart.
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Prokoliev:
I know this is not the right forum but I must tell you...I love Spain, I like Barcelona (a lot) but I prefer smaller cities, my favorite cities in Spain are (in order):
1.- the Marbella/ Torremolinos/ Fungirola/Malaga/Gibraltar area (Costa del Sol),
2.- Oviedo (Principado de Asturias),
3.- San Sebastian,
4.- Santander/El Sardinero beach,
5.- La Coruņa (suburb) and Santiago de Compostela (Galicia),
6.- Sevilla
7.-Zaragoza
8.- Barcelona
9.- Madrid
I like to visit Spain in Feb/March (I like the weather),
If you want my advice on Spain post your questions on the Spain forum, will be a pleasure to help,
if you return to Morelia and want a GFE/amateur, call Mrs. NORA (tel. 3133486), read my postings about her (old forum), she will set you up with an amateur, don't forget to tell her that a "friend" sent you... it's important or she will hung up,
Regards
CM
Miller: try Nora once or twice, you will not regret it,
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Was back in Morelia several weeks ago, just when the server went down! The weather was good but it rained every day.
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Finally found the hotel "behind the old bus station". Several young girls on the street, somewhat aggressive in looking for tricks. Definitely not shy and several were rather good looking but with that druggie look. Going price still 200 pesos but to my surprise NONE of them would consider a BJ! A 15 min lay is the only thing on the menu. I tried to reason with them, a BJ is cleaner and less work, but they all said no. I couldn't believe it.
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Decided to pass and look at the area by the conservatorio. Several older women there but still no BJ! Maybe I'm paranoid, but I wasn't in the mood for a STD. Finally found a cute morena, late 30's who took me to her hotel for a total of 150 pesos which included the room. Cheap, but no oral. Is this a new rule? Had no problem last time. I ended up getting a HJ (!) while she sat on my face giving me a spectacular view of her goods - which seemed in tip-top working order. Actually was kind of exciting and only $15. More later . . P
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Hello Everyone! (Especially Miller2k & Proko!)
Hey, this is my first post but I've been watching for over a year now on here. I've been scratching at the keys waiting for the discussion forums to come back online (Many thanks Jackson!).
Well, I feel I have a lot in common with Miller2K and Proko -- I love Morelia very much. I have traveled to Mexico at least 2 to 3 times a year for the last five years and I was fortunate enough to spend upwards of 2 to 3 months each trip. I actually had a single, steady girlfriend for over 2 years in the city of Uruapan which is very close to Morelia (85 peso bus ride, $8.50USD)
I agree with Miller2k in terms of Mexicanas as girlfriends, they will wait for you to return, but be careful. They do want to marry and tend to look at living in the US as their best chance to have a good life. I don't agree with that -- the U.S. is where the money's at as Proko advised to another user in the Guad forum, but as Miller2k said, it's not a place for true freedom -- you're a slave to the corporate world unless you make a heck of a lot of money and are not divorced with alimony and support payments and limited visitation with your children. The best thing I've seen is to make your money and get out.
My girlfriend got her own ideas and we broke up... after that I discovered all the fun I was missing!!! Uruapan is a happening city all its own and I'll post soon about my adventures there! Out of three women I met at the strip / sex clubs, all three were very nice, two spent the whole night with me on several occasions and these two gave me exquisite GFE! ($300 to $700 pesos prices as recent as December 2001) None spoke english - I'm fluent in Spanish.
So my question for Miller2k and Proko -- I've zero experience in Morelia. I tried to go to one of the stripper clubs there once that was listed in the old forums and I actually got there too late, it was closed and too late to even get a last minute girl. I like the idea of the SW's behind where the old bus station was, but I'd like to know if there is anything like the massage parlors of Guadalajara that sound REALLY good (I might almost want to live in Guad just for that ;) Is there anything in that same price range that is decent in Morelia ($350 to max of $500 Mexican Pesos)
However, I love Morelia and I have a few friends there and I like the student atmosphere and the restaurants and food. And it's close to my old watering hole of Uruapan in case there is no middle ground between the $200 peso, 15 minute quickie SW and the $1,500 peso 2 hour dancer.
Now I'm looking to live in Morelia unless I get convinced to go to Guad. I'm planning on moving in September of 2003, I've already got some money saved up but want to sock away another year of U.S. wages before I head into Mexico and try out my "Mexicano" approach to living life.
Anyway... I'd like to talk more about that with you Miller2k if we could. I'm curious how you can afford to live in Mexico with what you earn AND still be able to go a "mongering". I plan on cooking my own food and cleaning my own place, so no maid and no chef. Though if I could work out something with one of the chicas and pay her to do my laundry and a little more on the side for some extra $ then that's cool too ;)
Miller, since you are down in the Michoacan area, can you let me know what the going price is for a house in Morelia (2 bedroom or so) or an apartment with a cochera, (parking area) for a truck? If the truck turns into a problem, I'll get rid of it, but I'll be moving with it and legalizing it in Mexico (it's a datsun/nissan 1980 P/U, the kind that are all over that area of Mexico - easy to fix and easy to get parts).
I'm budgeting about $8,000 pesos per month with no more than $2,500 pesos per month going to pay the rent. You can get anything from a small house to a 2 bedroom apartment in Guadalajara for that price. That would leave me with plenty to buy food, go out once in a while to eat at the Colibri restaurant, go catch a movie, etc. Plus, I think I'd have enough for checking out the chicas at least 2X per month, not the $200 peso ones, more like the $500 to $750 peso ones. Call me old fashioned, but I'd like to just have a few regular chicas to choose from, maybe 2 or 3 or 4 with the option of sampling a new tasty chica every once in a while :)
I was originally trying to budget just $8000 USD per year for 6,500 pesos a month, but it'll probably be more like $10,000 USD per year. Either way, working in the U.S. for some months out of the year would probably be what I end up doing like my Mexicano brother counterparts, only at least I'll be spared of having to risk my life crossing over the border since I have valid U.S. and Mexican passports.
O.K. I'll post more later in the weekend. I had some trouble getting this post up. But Miller, you need to visit Uruapan and check it out... It's quite a place and the ladies are very nice at the strip clubs. There are no Gringos hardly there, but there are locals who are returning from working in the U.S. and when they're around, forget it... the ladies are all taken.
-- El Mojado....
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Mojado,
Good to hear from someone new. I went to a Morelia massage parlor (actually a house) back in Feb and wrote about it. Look in the archives. But it was going to be 800 pesos,so it was not cheap. I know of no commercial establishment, like in Guadalajara.
In fact everything seems to be 150 or 200 on the street or 800 to 1000 from outcall services. See Millers and Cupidos recommendations.
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What I like most about Morelia is 1) the climate and 2) the friendly people. It has a more liberal attitude than other parts of Mexico. But it is not as cheap as some other cities.
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As far as other advice as to moving there, it depends on how old you are, do you have Mexican connections or heritage, money, a job and what do you want from life. You already know my take on things. Earn your money in the US and move later. You won't regret it. Miller has chosen another path and is happy. Also despite all our writings about SW's and call girls, in the end a girlfriend or wife is much more important - and I think Miller would agree with that. Pay for play wears thin REAL fast. It may be the spice of life, but it is not the main course. I can't imagine moving there for that reason. But why not have both? Dating Mexicanas has been more interesting and fun (albeit confusing) than 150 peso SW's.
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Miller can tell you more about actually living there and Cupido probably knows the most. Has (or had) a house in Morelia, I believe. Good luck. -P
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Sorry if I've been a bit indifferent about posting lately, there've been a few unpleasant experiences that have made me question the point of posting here...but then a post like Mojado's comes along...
As usual, Proko is right about everything. Having a Mexican girlfriend is much better in the long run than going with SW's, club girls, or escorts (although these have almost always been tremendous experiences for me.) I've taken a break from my "hobby" because I'm now in a steady relationship and I couldn't be happier. When a Mexican woman is in love with you, she will give her entire being to you (almost to the point of making you feel guilty).
But, anyway, it's still great to just have some fun for a while, so I'll answer your questions, Mojado, to the best of my knowledge:
With a decent amount of effort on your part, you can pull in about 8-10 thousand pesos a month (at least 6) and that can pay your bills, pay for a couple of beautiful ladies, and still allow you to take an occasional vacation. I live in a neighboring small town so the cost of living is a lot lower and I can live comfortably (I have internet service, a satellite dish, a steady stream of mail-order products from the USA, and I still have enough to take two trips back to the USA a year. Of course, YMMV. Maybe if I lived in Morelia , with a lot more temptation to spend, I would have less (but I would also be able to charge my students more) So, it's all relative. Rents in Morelia vary from 1,500 to 10,000 pesos, depending on what you are looking for and where. Basically, everything in the city is good and there isn't much of a crime problem (compared to the other big cities). I've seen two bedroom apartments, close to the University area go for about 2,500 pesos. Personally, I would recommend ditching the truck before you come because many people drive insanely here and traffic in the downtown area is terrible. Also, there are some crazy traffic laws here that often are just pretexts from the transit cops to ask for a bribe. For 20-25 pesos a taxista will take you anywhere you need. Every person that I've met who's brought a car from the USA has regretted it. The money from the sale of your truck could mean another few months of easy living.
Morelia is my favorite place in Mexico because, aside from our hobby, the atmosphere is just awesome. The club life at night is small, but very warm and friendly and the people will open their arms to you and help you in the transition as you get accustomed to the city.
If there's anything else that you'd like to know, feel free to e-mail me at: justice4pm@hotmail.com
I'd be happy to help out in anyway possible and maybe you can give me a few tips on Uruapan.
Prokofiev: I've also been shut down with regard to oral sex with the SW's. There was only one time where I was able to get oral sex from a SW, but usually I go for the oral thing with the escorts. They are always game (Even most of the club girls balk at the idea). One SW asked me if the women in the USA were very "caliente". I asked why and she said that American men always ask for oral sex. From what was hinted at, many feel that oral sex is a perversion. Thank the Catholic Church for that! Even the prostitutes have moral hang-ups. But here's a tip, I bought some flavored condoms in the USA and brought them out before I asked for oral. The girl was amused and a bit curious and that was the one time that I got oral sex from a SW. It's worth a try if you don't mind covered BJ's.
Hope I helped....
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Hi Miller2K & Proko!
Thanks for your replies on here.. and yes, I will admit myself that when I was involved with my girlfriend in Mexico it was a very beautiful thing. I was faithful to her our entire relationship and I really cared about her. Not surprisingly, I became very close to her family and I am still in touch with them. They love me to death and were very shocked at her actions and saddened by the end of the relationship. And as strange as it may sound to some, but you two and anyone else who's been loved not just by a Mexicana but by her family, they still care about me a lot and I still visit them every time I am in Mexico out of caring and respect. Plus I made some really special ties there. I've watched some of my "neices and nephews" (They still insist on calling me "Uncle" and treat me as part of their family) grow and learn and I've encouraged them to do well in their studies. They live in a very small town with no paved roads just outside of La Piedad in Michoacan.
So... in many ways I agree with you both -- A mexican girlfriend and a Mexican wife are the only way I would have a girlfriend and marry and would certainly be much better than risking HIV and STD's and bad experiences with SW's and such... but I don't know if I'm ready to "settle down" just yet. And I really would not even touch a U.S. woman (from my area, SF bay area) with my worst enemy's penis!!! I don't know what it's like for other people in less "tech" areas in the U.S. but this is the shit hole of the universe it seems when it comes to really mean, cut-throat and materialistic women. I'm a "nice guy" and they simply eat us up alive here. When I am in Mexico, the women warm up so much to the "nice guy" that it's a wonderful experience... and more so with the SW's They appreciate us all the more because when you treat them with respect and caring they return it 5 times as much.
The women I mentioned in my other post, I gave them food and candy for their children after we had spent the night together. I took them out to the cab and paid the cab fare myself in my pantuflas (slippers) the next morning, and two of these women actually let me come over and see them at their homes and I met their children. It didn't happen right away but that to me is much more valuable than a $200 pesos 15-min "release". And though these women do what they do, they love their children, they honor their children and they deserve our respect even when you're haggling about price. (and no, the children didn't know I was a "John", I was introduced as a visiting teacher from the U.S.)
The women I had these experiences with live in Uruapan. One I lost touch with sadly - she may still be there and if she is, she worked at the stripper club called "Western Dance" and went by the name of "Yasmin". She is in her early 30's now and was widowed when her husband was killed in a drug related situation 6 years ago (He was from Apatzingan, a very rough place notorious for Narcos) and left her with 5 children to raise on her own. Her house was really tiny, cinderblock and tin roof 1 room home with a makeshift "room" on the roof for her oldest sons and in an unincorporated area of Uruapan past the Colonia Sol Naciente where the streets are dirt and the homes have no running water and only a few have electricity. I always brought things for all 5 of the children and some of the neighbor kids whenever I came to Uruapan and that helped keep them thinking I was a teacher and they actually used the materials - notebooks, pencils, pens, and such and appreciated them more than the candy I brought (and toothbrushes too).
This woman (Yasmine) NEVER charged me more than $350 pesos for an entire night with her, and at times I gave her a little more but she never asked for more. She showed me pictures of herself and her family and husband when he was alive from an album she had and she lived better before and she was shown filming her family with a videocamera in one pic and obviously wasn't as impoverished all her life. She has a sister who lives in Col Sol Naciente who lives in a very nice house and she helps Yasmine out with the kids a lot and Yasmine seems to get by. It's a hard life and I know she appreciated my friendship, even though I was a "john".
The other woman, a very attractive 24 year old who celebrates her birthday in late November, has two children and her husband left the U.S. and stopped sending her money after a few months and stopped contact. He could be incarcerated or maybe he figured he'd be better off with another lady here in the U.S. and he could forget about the two kids he had with her. She goes by "Andrea" and was at the "Club Tabledance" in Uruapan. She let me videotape her before we "did the deed" :) She probably would have let me tape the "deed" but I didn't think it was appropriate to do that or ask for that. It would have been one hot video though... she must not have had sex for a while because she just would not stop and after I shot my load she lied with me and cuddled me for a while and then asked me if I had more condoms... That got me going and she "jump started" me literally and I can still remember the sensations! We've stayed in contact via snail mail and she sent me pics of her playing with her kids and I actually met her once at her house and delivered some of those "blo-pens" for her kids and some candy and she received me and hugged me lightly and kissed me on the cheeks in the traditional friend greeting of Mexico. I didn't want to attract any strange attention to her because she is a married woman and lives a few doors down from her parents, so I politely talked with her just inside the doorway and arranged for that evenings "pachanga" later at my hotel.
I plan on seeing her again and definitely in remaining friends no matter what happens. She's sent me some information regarding rentals in Uruapan, but it's just very hard to find much over there and I do not expect her to mail stuff out to me at $15 USD a pop through Mexico Express. I'd rather she spend her money on her kids and I'll find something some other way.
Anyway... these are the kinds of experiences I crave -- it's human contact and that's so lacking in the states at least where I live. I know it's "against the code" to marry one of these ladies but being friends with them is something I want and that comes naturally. I want to know I can trust the woman I'm sleeping with in the event I do fall asleep in her arms. I don't want to wind up like that song "Trendy" Ricky Martin sings (La Vida Loca...)
And I know what happens when you sleep with a woman from this area of the U.S.... she'll cut off your balls rip your wings off, hermano!
So this is a long post and the topic is not the "standard" on here as I've seen over the year I've been reading this site. But in the end, Yes... I would really love to be in a loving relationship with just one woman who appreciated me and truly cared about me. Until that day comes, I'll be checking this site and looking forward to being in Mexico.
Regarding the economics of Mexico, I'll email you at your email more with info and questions on that (and Uruapan, which I'll post again here for the "People"). But I will say this... I don't mind living in an area with little "creature comforts". Just give me some electricity, a Tinaco on my roof that gets warm at mid-day so I can take a shower without freezing my balls off, a 2 burner propane camp stove and two sinks... one for cooking (with maybe a 3/4 HP garbage disposal that I'll bring from the US), and one where I can handwash my clothes on those rippled things. I don't mind washing clothing at all that way. For sensitive stuff, I can always contract it out to someone in the neighborhood after figuring out who would do it for some money and maybe some english help or help with something else. I don't think I want a phone though I'd miss the internet. Still, living over there what would I need the internet for :) Cybercafes are cheap and if you take a used laptop with you as you cross the border (free, not tax) you can write and edit any email you want to send and just cut and paste it at the cybercafe and you're done in 10 minutes and you can send about 5 long messages as attachments or as cut and pasted emails.
Anyway... this is long - hopefully not too long.
Thanks for your comments on here and I'm really glad to hear that you have a wonderful girlfriend now Miller2K! Just don't bring her to the U.S. or she might turn bad :/ I'll tell you more about that in the email, at least my observations of what I have seen happen over the years.
Sincerely,
El Mojado...
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sorry el mojado, you lost me after the 3rd paragraph....too long!!
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MOJADO:
I'd like to help you MOVING TO MEXICO...it's easy if you really want to,
Most EU contries ask anybody who wants to move there to have at least $100,000US in the bank and a minimum $600US monthly income, Most countries have similar rules,
If you want to (permanently) move to Mexico (or any other country) you'll need a similar amount of money, Mexico is not cheap, and you can't work legally if you are not "mexican citizen", or until you are, If you want to live in Mexico, get a mexican passport as soon as possible (2-5 years),
I also recommend to:
1.- buy a house in order to keep a "clean/low" budget, rents are not cheap,
2.- buy local health insurance, Medical Treatment in Mexico is very expensive, if you get sick you can spend all your life savings very fast,
I recommend to buy the Inbursa Plan (www.segurosinbursa.com) with a $10,000 pesos "deducible", instead of the normal $3000, this will cut the annual cost by 70%, Medical Insurance will cost a few hundred dollars a year but may save you a lot of $$$,
3.- TIMING is very important, (ex., today is a good day to move to Argentina, the recent 3.6 to 1 devaluation of the Arg. Peso helps A LOT!!, I believe the Mexican Peso will devaluate VERY soon...)
P.S.
If you have a good house/income and you are an "ok guy", you will have a young, beautiful mexican girl in your bed very soon, you don't have to do anything, she will find you,
Cupido Morboso
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Cupido.....
WELCOME BACK....However, I beg to differ about a couple of the things that you said.
Most Americans think in a "go by the book" way of thinking. The fact of the matter is that Mexico is a wide-open country with very flexible laws. On paper, living in Mexico is a bit of an ordeal. We, as Americans, are used to living by the laws because the system usually works, it's usually fair and just. Mexico (unfortunately for the citizens) is not like that. I moved here with just a little over 8 thousand dollars- no bank account in the USA and no work lined up for myself. I've been here now for more than 2.5 years and I've yet to encounter a problem with my less-than legal status. I even travel back to the USA every so often without a valid visa. The authorities just don't care if I'm here unless I become a political activist or a criminal. And even if they did swoop down on me, the worst they could do is send me back to the USA. I've had steady employment and income since I've been here and, despite the fact that I "can't work", several institutes have offered me jobs. (When I tell them that I'm not legally allowed to work, they laugh out loud and tell me "no hay problema con eso". Hell, they even offer to pay for my false documents).
As for rents....The rent is a lot cheaper than in the States for comparable housing. I can rent a big place in a good location for less than 2 thousand pesos. If you work as a "profesionista", rent is the least of your concerns. And, in the long run, I prefer not to own because of a few whacky property laws that I'm not interested in dealing with.
Medical coverage has yet to be a concern for me. If I needed a serious operation or intensive medical care, I would be on the first plane to the USA, so a medical plan is a moot point. For the little illnesses, they sell penacilin and anti-biotics over the counter, just invest 2 hundred pesos and take some medicine whenever you feel an itch in your throat.
Mojado...I'll send a more detailed message to you via e-mail , answering your questions, tomorrow or ASAP.
Cupido....So how're things going with your lady friend? Hope you are happy and running her ragged...:)
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Miller,
I imagine that the reason you would "be on the 1st plane back to the USA" for medical care is that you don't trust the Mexican hospitals for an operation or major medical, correct? But without either Mexican or US medical insurance - or a fat bank account - how would you pay for medical care in the US? Certainly it's a lot cheaper in Mexico and probably only a little more dangerous, or am I wrong? Have you never been to a Mexican doctor or dentist? And how long can someone do that? The idea of some type of insurance -with a high deductible to cover just the big stuff - seems reasonable to me. And the older you get, the more it matters and the more it bothers you.
-P
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Proko...
The difference in our outlooks probably all boils down to demographics and the reasons that we decide to move down South in the first place. The whole idea of excessive planning and budgeting and worrying about tomorrow is one of the reasons that I left the USA in the first place. I was a slave to maintaining my lifestyle, even if I wasn't fully aware of that urge. Medical coverage and such, to me, would be like taking a generator, a fully-stocked fridge, and a microwave on a camping trip. Of course, if you move to Mexico as a form of retirement and you want to continue with your lifestyle, only in a more relaxed atmosphere....then that's great. Plan away, but I'll warn you that the best plans in Mexico fall apart fairly quickly. So, to each his own.
Personally, I wouldn't trust any Mexican HMO or medical plan. I've seen too many shading dealing with supposed contracts and insurance deals. The one good thing about the USA is that legal contracts are almost always binding. In Mexico, it's an iffy proposition at best. Believe me, one way or the other, insurance or not, you WILL pay. As for the medical treatment in Mexico--- I love Mexico in just about every way, but I would rather do my own operation than go to a doctor here. They ALWAYS want to operate, like they just got their surgical tools and they're itching to try them out. Maybe it's just the doctors that I've experienced, but I would try my luck with a State or Teaching Hospital in the USA any day. I can run down a whole list of horror stories about Mexican doctors ranging from un-sterilized surgical tools to major surgeries for minor ailments to radiation treatments to "cure" various ailments. Of course, as always...YMMV
So, there are various ways to make the move down South and no one is better than the other. It's just odd to me why people would be so obsessive about order and assurances in a land that's so beautiful and carefree. I mean, that's the reason I'm here anyway....but variety is the spice of life, right?
Take care all