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Earlier on, there was action of SWs off Quinta av. Last time I was there: nothing except a girl challenged in the tooth-section, that was really pityful, yet I refrained from accepting her offer. Some Transvestites, which I left out, of course. What about today?
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It is nice to see a recent report. I will be going in August. So I am eager to read the rest of your report. Alexdude keep up the details, they are appreciated.
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Ok, here we go again (this is the continuation of my previous post)......
Where was I? oh... yes, "La Maison". This is a bar where you can have a beer, and see the show (not very amusing, since it's all local Cuban jokes, hard to understand to anyone but Cubans). There are many good looking ladies, but on Saturdays you need to arrive early, or you'll never get a table, cause the place will be packed. It's always convenient to have a table, because it's easier to invite a lady to have a beer with you, or a drink, and they somehow seem to be more interested in men sitting down, rather than the ones at the bar. Many of the best looking working girls seem to hit that bar at night, say around 10 PM, (I noticed a couple that during the day used to hang out at my hotel's pool. Yes, they give the doorman a tip to let them work, and pay the fee to eat lunch and the right to use the pool, although it's almost impossible to take one of them to your room for the reasons already discussed in the forum). One more thing, at "La Maison", you have to be a really good negotiatior or they will, and I mean they will rip you off. Many of the good looking girls (8s, 9s) will ask for 100 USD. There is where your bargaining skills have to kick in. Buy them a shot of rum, if they're having a beer, start flattering her, tell her that you're not rich but like her so much, and how she's worth much more than that , but you don't have that kind of money on you, bla bla bla. For me it worked 80 % of the time, and I was able to have the girl for say 45-50 bucks plus the "casa" fee (never pay more than 15 bucks for this). If everything works, you can bang a great looking woman for two or three hours for 60-70 USD.
3.- There's also the "restaurant" or "cafeteria" action. If the locals see that you're a lonely foreigner having dinner, they will almost certainly approach you (men or women, men offering to introduce you to a female "friend" interested in meeting extranjeros, or the women themselves asking you to buy them something). This works too, and is a lot cheaper. One night I was having a beer and a pizza in a cafeteria right around the corner from the National Aquarium, (the place where you can see the dolphins), I don't remember the name, but it's a small place, the kind that has the chairs and tables bolted to the floor, not very expensive, out in the open air. Well, that night, this dude approached me, and asked if I was interested in " female company". I said yes, we had a few cold ones, and took off with one of his friends in an old Russian car. Then we arrived at his amiga's place, bought like 30 beers and started drinking (the 3 of us, in her house). We talked for a while (I'm fluent in Spanish). This girl was good looking, in her late 20's, great ass, blond hair, nice tits, tanned skin. When we were done drinking, she asked if I wanted to come with to her room, to watch TV. She said that after that, she expected a "regalito" (little present), a perfume, t-shirt, tennis shoes, or money, but she never mentioned a price. So, we did our thing in her room, and she was pretty good. The BBBJ was excellent, not rushed at all, she let me play with her all I wanted (put my dick between her tits while sucking it). We did doggie style, she rode me like a cowgirl and asked me to go down on her. She seemed to be enjoying it, and so was I! I used the 3 condoms I was carrying in my wallet cause we did it another 2 times. It was unbelievable, really. I gave her 50 bucks when we were done. After that , they called me a cab and I went to sleep to my hotel.
This happened on my last day in Cuba. It made the whole experience worthwhile. Had it not been for this, it wouldn't have been so nice. The weird thing is that it happened when I wasn't looking for it, I was just having my beer and pizza.
In conclusion, you can still have fun in Cuba, but you need to know where to look and have a bit of luck, because the police is such a pain in the ass, and most of the girls are money-oriented plus they want to rip you off. So I guess this time I just got lucky, considering this was my first trip to Cuba.
In this trip, I also went to Costa Rica. Hopefully I'll post the report soon in the Costa Rica forum.
Have fun and avoid rip offs.
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Thanks for the really great reports on La Habana alexdude!
So what's your conclusion now: Don't go to Cuba for mongering purposes or just forget certain places in the capital?
You said you would leave for Costa Rica. I personally don't like the szene in San Jose too much but tastes differ I guess, reading the posts on the CR/SJO board...
What do you think: How does CR compare to Cuba?
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Hey Charly and all of of you guys interested in Cuba,
To answer to your questions,
You can still have a good time in Cuba, but as you said, there are certain places to forget if you're looking for the GFE. The big, well known places, like discos and places like la maison, are full of girls who want to rip you off (who are well aware of the fact that you're a foreigner and that your wallet contains greenbacks). It can still be good (if you don't overpay and follow some of the general guidelines that in my humble opinion work), but will be strictly business (unless the girls actually likes you for some reason). But there's also the downside of having to deal with the police.
So, having that in mind I can answer your second question, how does CR compare? Well, you can also find good quality there, get a good deal, and do it freely (the girl can come with you to your hotel, you can be in out in the street with her no problem no one gets jailed !.... etc.). So, if you are more of a negotiatior and an experienced or not so experienced monger, shoot for Costa Rica!
On the other hand, if you speak at least some Spanish, and are looking for more personal treatment (plus you're willing to go through all the hassle, spend more time looking for the GFE), then Cuba is still an option, and you can have unbelievable experiences (like the one I told you about, I still can't believe it myself).
You also have to consider that going to Cuba is a whole new experience all by itself (whole different world), it can be interesting from the tourist's point of view, and it can be very annoying at the same time (you realize that Cubans are not free, you see all the hardship that they have to go through, and you can't use your credit cards! Don't bother to leave home with your Amex card, or with any card issued by an American bank, won't work so bring lots of cash or another non American card).
To wrap this up: Cuba's appeal as a sexual destination is disappearing, although being smart and with a bit of luck you might still find something really unique. If you just want to spend money and get laid, go somewhere else, Cuba won't be worth all the trouble.
Hope this helps.
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All,
I see prices quoted in the last postings that are way too high and are surely going to raise the price-level for next mongers to come.
Just for comparison, I had one nice girl for a night in Santiago. We never talked about money and I just gave her 10 US$ + shampoo in the morning. I admit I had some remorse afterward and I think I should have given her 20$.
Just keep in mind that the average wage is about 223 pesos (US$10) per month, which includes teachers, engineers and carpenters. Doctors are slightly higher at US$15.
Cheers,
Latrell
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Latrell,
Well, when did you last go? I have news for you: Price levels have ALREADY been raised. I agree with what you say about wages, but these girls seem to have noticed that they can charge what has been discussed. Believe me, I tried to negotiatie, and at least in Havana, there was no way they would do it for 10 + shampoo! At least not at the places I visited.
But maybe you got lucky and this girl you talk about wasn't a pro, and that is entirely possible like I've repeatedly pointed out. And there, it is 100 % up to you what you give the girl. From my personal point of view, I would have felt misserable if I had given the girl I told you about 10 bucks (and like you say, we never discussed price, and she never rushed me, could have stayed with her longer). But again, this is my personal opinion (I think she earned her 50 bucks, plus I took into account that these people are really poor and don't have many choices to make money, plus I was really grateful and happy).
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I just want to totally concur with alexdude's assessment of the situation in Cuba and comparitively with Costa Rica. A couple of years ago I would've gone to Cuba hands down, but now there is no comparison, I would easily choose Costa Rica for mongering. The only advantage Cuba ever had was price, and as some have indicated that is going up. Add to that all the hassle and bs (see my post below) and this is not a difficult decision. The glory days of mongering in Cuba are over. Yes, you can and will have adventure there, but strictly speaking of sex it ain't happening any more.
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@alexdude
I was in Santiago in January 2003 and the girl was a non-pro (I think). I must recognise I paid 25$ in Havanna for a girl from the "Emperador" bar (in Vedado) but that was the most expensive I ever paid in Cuba. The havanna pros are definetily good at bargaining but that does not mean you should accept their prices.
My feeling is that 50$ is way too high anyway. If the girl was a pro, the pimp got most of it anyway and probably had a good time with the money in some disco with his friends... They will try probably to get 70$ out of the next "Yuma" (Stranger) the next time....
cheers,
Latrell
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Made it back from my first trip to Havana. There is nothing like Cuba in this part of the world! I had no reservations for flights from Cancun to Havana or for a place to stay before I left. No problems, I wrote down on the immigration form that I was staying at the National. Once in the cab, I asked the driver to find me a casa - which he did. I went by myself and I do not speak spanish.
Within three hours of being in Havana, a guy whom I was talking to for about 15 minutes was taken away by the police. When the officer asked for my papers and I told him I forgot my passport in my casa, he didn't make a big deal out of it, he just escorted this guy to a car with three other cops, two of which got in the car with him and drove away.
Things are exactly the way people on this board have described the situation in Havana.
I did have a great time - although I ran out of money. Five days before my return flight to Cancun, I realized I was VERY low on funds. Too many ladies, too many dinner guests at the resturant, and too many "drinks on me" at the bars really took it's toll. Prices for the girls was always $70 a night. I knew there was no way to have money wired to be, like Western Union or using an ATM, so I told my "live-in" girlfriend that I would be leaving the next day to come home - no money. She suggested that I have the money wired Western Union to her, and that way it would work - So, I get my hopes up that I'll be able to get some more money and I can stay longer. I email my brother in the States and tell him what to send the money and email a conformation number back to me. Of course it didn't work. The only way to send money to Cuba from the States is to the military on Guan. Bay. After reading his email, I head back to my casa, pack my stuff up within a few mintutes - taxi is waiting for me - I ask the landlord for the $ back for the days I had already paid for, and leave for the airport. I didn't realize just how close I came to getting myself in a VERY ugly mess! When all was said and done, I left Cuba with only a few dollars! I had just enough money to pay for the taxi, the 25$ depature fee, and the $25 fee to Areocarib for leaving a few days early.
Although I have many funny stories about my adventure, there is really nothing I can contribute to the board as far as any new info.
Thanks for all the replies to my questions I had before I left. Now, if I would just have followed all the great advice on the board my trip would have been all that more enjoyable.
Chris
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Report from Havanna
goodness gracious, what are people doing wrong in Havanna? This place is buzzing with all the action you want right now.
If you donīt get laid right in your first night, itīs only because youīre pissed with too many mojitos.
Actually, nobody can walk for more than a few steps without getting "the eye" or something more substantial in terms of offers right now.
Pick up the "autostop" girls on 5ta avenida or just walk the Malecon will get you the most beautiful chicas you can imagine - as long as youīre not looking for blonde, white Farrah Fawcett Majors type girls (I never got the hang of it anyway, white american beauty fails me totally).
I had the most rewarding GFE there ever, and I travel frequently to the place. Cost me nothing apart from inviting her and her family to my casa, where I cooked oriental-style cuisine with flavours theyīve never experienced before (brought the stuff from home, and used imported beef/pork for the barbecue from the mercados diplomaticos).
In turn I was rewarded with flavours of the most beautiful, tight pussy you can lay hand (or anything else) on.
My advice is: get a car in the airport (and a good map) and be free to savour on the beauties. Sit in any of the national diners (pollo, pollo, pollo...) and pick the nicest lady to accompany you. Donīt be shy, lots of them arenīt either.
Still the love-life of cubans, and the mulatas and african-cubans in particular is really more relaxed than ours.
If youīre with a non-pro, a bbbj is something special and canīt be automatically expected. But with luck, some spanish (get the "hot spanish" phrase-book, if you can find it or bl**dy well learn the d*rn language) youīll end up with the best sex you had for years. Itīs so wonderful to hear and understand the words "te quiero", "quisiera sentirte como h()mbre ahora", "damelo duro". If I recall them right from the memory. I actually was concentrating on other things than language at the moment.
But hey, if you do it like I did (met this girl in an internet partnersearch-site), you might ending up married to her.
We had a lot of encounters and something happened to me I hadnīt known for 20 years: 4 to 6 hours of uninterrupted pleasure with few pauses and her having at least two (real, I swear) orgasms every night. Several were fake for my pleasure, I donīt mind.
She wanted to watch TV in my room (she said) and there was nothing else than a bed to make oneself comfortable on. Guess what....
BTW:
Why do women watch porn films right to the end? They wanna know if the girls going to be married to the guy in the end....
yours truly.
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Well It's time for another little trip to Havana, leaving the 23rd through Veradero. We always are met by our local buddy/driver and we stay at the same private 2bedroom apt for the week in Centro Habana at the Super Cake. No Family hassles, secure, no bribing sec guards, etc what a pain that must be. In Feb when we last went the Johny was already dead. There was plenty of action to be found at the Society of Rosalia de Castro, Hit the disco or just have a sandwich upstairs at the bar. Still plenty of street action, but the real beauties are running scared in the daylight. As always in such situations its always hit or miss, sometimes you get lucky, sometimes you can't find anything. Try the Casa de la Musica at night, or simply strike up a conversation with some gentleman who speaks english at one of the Malecon bars and let him do the work. If you want nice girls you are going to need a guide. Simply allow one to find you, walk the streets near the National, or over near the Hotel Habana Libre, or in Old Havana, be dicreet and find a guide for a couple of days. Be selective, you don't want some young punk. Most can save you days off your trip and hours of worry as to where to party and where to go. If your in a group get a driver for the week and save a fortune on taxis or a rental car. On our first trip we found a spanish classy looking gentleman who spoke some english and he found us our casa, driver friend with whom we still meet every trip. A guide will know tons of girls, dozens, hundreds, simply tell them your looking for a nice novia for the week and take a drive. Before you know it you'll be whistling at some girls door or picking one off the street. Don't let anyone push you around, stay away from the hard pros at the bar if you can, an average girl will be happy with a much smaller present a night as they haven't paid ten bucks to get in a bar, taxis, bribes bouncers, cops, they won't be sporting a cell phone, and they won't have the dirty little tricks.
The odds of meeting such a girl on your own is slim, unless you speak some spanish and get lucky. I've never had any luck on the Malecon at all at any time, nor on the prada, La Maison is full of Cubans having fun just like any 10 dollar all you can haul place, good luck finding girls there as they don't go there as there aren't any tourists, the swimming at night is nice though and its a good place to take your novia. If you want to high roll, hit the big Cabaret on the weekend and wait till the disco after, you'll see the hotties then, or hit the house of fashion and find a model after the show. Just wait outside right after the fashion show. I don't know if club impanema is still open, and there is a disco in the hotel accross from the Wakamba restaurant I'm not sure what nights. There is always lots to do in Havana, there is a lot less action now but you would have to be broken not to get laid twice or three times a day. It'll take 6 trips just to do everything once. Its important to be discreet, a car and driver really saves time and money let me tell you, and helps with transporting the ladies and yourselves. It will only take one three taxi trip around looking for an open club on a weeknight to see the value of your own driver. If your gonna pay a couple of grand on a trip whats an extra hundred for a driver/guide to make your trip a ten. Always ask to see ID, If she doesn't have one shes under 16 and your placing your freedom in her hands. Don't do drugs you'd have to be crazy, might as well play russian roulette. Any smart girl you meet will simply follow you back to your casa on the other side of the street or in a taxi or a block behind, get used to it its the way of life in Cuba. But if this is all to much hassle by all means go to Costa Rica or Brazil, more fun for me. I'll report back when I get back.
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Just one more comment on immigration/import:
If you intend to bring one of the most wanted articles in Cuba to your GF, donīt bother. VCR sets are forbidden to take into the country. In the webpage of the aduana it says the regulation only applies to VCRs from USA or travellers coming in from the USA, but this is definitely not true: coming oin from Mexico, non-american passport, VCR produced in Corea got me a to be called violador and, of course the VCR being taken away.
Bet on it, itīs going to be sold on the street for at least 200 US$. Cost me in Walmart, D.F. well under 100 US$. Anyway, the laptop I brought for my sweetheart waqs not criticised, even while I was carrying another laptop for my own use.
yours, truly
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The Good, the Bad and the Ugly.
A three part series on my two week trip to Havana
8/5/to 8/15/2003
Part 1# The Good
In my mongering travels to Costa Rica, Mexico and Cuba....the Cuban women were the most beautiful and passionate I have met. Hands down. The countryside is beautiful as well. True enough; the buildings in the city are in desperate repair. The everyday common people were very friendly and deeply sincere. Albeit much panhandling and scamming, but these folks are trying to survive. I imagine anyone with the balls to travel from the US to Cuba has enough street sense to handle this.
Also, thank you to Jackson and WSG as it was the most valuable resource I found. I even cut and pasted my favorite articles from the WSG Cuba site, printed them out and brought them with me. Lastly, if you are thinking about traveling there, the one book I would recommend is "Cuba" by Christopher Baker. Also, the most helpful thing I carried with me while in Cuba was a small spiral notebook and pen. I found myself using this all the time. Plus I wrote many notes. phones numbers, addresses and such.
Mongering
During my 15 day stay I spent intimate time with about 12 chicas. Ages 18 to 23. I am very, very choosy, I scout for 9's and 10's but will settle for an 8. I paid $30 to $40 for one hour get-to-together in my casa. So keep that in mind as you read.
1: Pan De La Paris...this little bakeshop is next to the Hotel Inglaterra and across the street from Parquee Central. I pulled five girls from here. You don't need to know Spanish or have an interpreter. Just USD's and a friendly smile. Just sit at one of the tables on the sidewalk cafe and they will start to walk by giving you the eye.
2: La Rumpa [aka Calle 23] between Presidente Ave and the Malecon. Even if you have a driver, walk this street at night around 11pm to 2am. With a driver I found it difficult to see the girls clearly as the street lights are not very bright. I pulled four girls from here.
3: Calle 5, Miramar: This is the main thoroughfare in Miramar, the most fashionable location in Havana. During the daytime there are many beautiful chicas waiting by the side of the road. They tend to want more money than the locations above. The police seem to have a hands off order regarding Miramar and the chicas. As I saw them standing near police without concern. Don't bother at night as this becomes the transvestite location.
4: The Malecon: I really don't recommend the Malecon, as it is two miles long and most of it is dark at night. Driving by at night it's difficult to ascertain exactly how attractive a woman is. So walking is the best method I found. Too much work for this ******.
5: Les Jardines: A open air bar 2 miles west of Marina Hemingway in Miramar. I was advised to try this by one of Fidel Castro's body guards. A friend of my drivers. One night there were several beautiful young chicas, but the second visit yielded nothing. Worth a try.
Of the women I met, all but two gave me bbbj and two even swallowed. Sometimes I needed to sweeten the pot with another five bucks to help motivate them. I evaluated their performances and the final score was 3x 10's , 3 x 9's , 5 x 8's and 1 x 0. Not bad for twelve chicas.
Scuba Diving
I was so fortunate to have a world class dive master. Alberto Delgado speaks English, is very professional and courteous. He is PATI and IANTO certified. I received my PATI open water certification from him. Only $250. That's a great deal folks. We dove at many different locations around Havana and the outskirts. By the way, if you're American, your certification will read either France or Spain, as to avoid problems. The dives ranged from 50 to 110 feet. The coral, shipwrecks and marine life were excellent. Water clarity was 75 to 150 feet. In comparison, the best I have experienced was the Marietta Islands in Banderas Bay, Puerto Vallarta, Mexico.
I paid my driver $100 extra above the daily rate of $30 to drive me, Alberto and his girlfriend and my driver and his wife to the Bay of Pigs. The Playa Giron site. It's about 300 mile round trip. It was fascinating to see the Cuban country side and meet some of its people. Much more laid back then in the city. I enjoyed the trip, but really, as had been mentioned on this site before, the diving isn't any better than the sites in the Havana area. Alberto's email is aldel78@yahoo.com
The People
It quickly became apparent that the people of Cuba were the most beautiful aspect of my visit. The Cubans are a deeply sincere people and I found myself growing daily in admiration for their quiet, resilient attitude towards a life that is extremely difficult. The gentleman who set me up with my driver was a college professor of Physics at a University. His yearly income was $180. My dive masters' girlfriend is an English teacher at the high school level. Her yearly income was $120. My dive master told me he makes $70 a month. He is considered a very successful Cuban. True, you will meet your fair share of street hustlers and etc., but a "no gracias" generally does the trick.
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Part 2# The Bad [but manageable]
The Food
The food is rough. However, having taken many notes from this site and various books I managed ok. I lost 8 pounds during my stay. Also, avoid street food. I got the runs and a five day sore throat.
1: Tres Chinitos: in Viejo...excellent food, good service, total for shrimp creol, flam desert, a glass of white wine and a tip $13
2: La Palenque: in Miramar: excellent food, very fast service, their roast pork is world class, I ate here several times. Total cost with two beers and tip $12
3:El Ajibe: in Miramar: excellent food, service varies from average to poor, roast chicken is excellent. Total $12 . Watch all the 50, 60 and 70 year old touristas with their hot 20 year girlfriends. I would estimate it was 50% of the restaurant and this place seats about 250.
4: Gringo Viejo: in Vedado calle 21, very good food, excellent service. total $15
5: Pan.Com: in Miramar, good fast food sandwiches, service good, total $8
6: La Fountain: in Miramar, good food, really lousy service, way too expensive total $45. I would not go back here.
7: Mamy's: in Miramar, a privately owned paladare, excellent food, average service, too expensive as the top 5 restaurant s above provide the same at much lower cost.
My Driver
My driver did an very good job the first week. After the trip to Bay of Pigs I felt like I was a part of his family. Herein lies my mistake. The next day I paid him the rest of the money due him for the remainder of my trip. His service began to drop off each day after that. I found myself waiting on the sidewalk with a guest for 30 minutes. Apparently he thought, "I have your money...so watta ya gonna do?". I could have complained to the police, but it wasn't worth the hassle. After a few days of this I fired him, thus losing my money, but such is life. I would recommend paying daily or two days at a time.
Johnny's Rio Club in Miramar
My issue with Johnny's is this: all these girls have cell phones, push-up bras and are definitely professionals. I prefer college students, non-pro or semi non-pro girls. I visited Johnny's twice. I would estimate that 20% of the girls are 8's or higher and they all want $100, though I believe you could talk them down to $70 or so. I found equally beautiful women in the areas mentioned above for $30 to $40. Plus Johnny's charges a $10 cover....however, I would recommend visiting at least once just to see it.