I am going to Rio for my 1st time in APril and hang gliding WAS the 1st thing I wanted to do. I'm really not so sure anymore.
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I am going to Rio for my 1st time in APril and hang gliding WAS the 1st thing I wanted to do. I'm really not so sure anymore.
When going out drinking in bars and termas and even place like MP what is the rule for paying your bar bill? Is it paid once the drink arrives? (which I think is safer). Or is it paid at the end when you leave the place.
Do different places have different rules, only I would prefer to pay as I go to prevent unwanted drinks added etc, but don't want to look silly if this is not the done thing in Rio.
Thanks
[QUOTE=Koolkid]When going out drinking in bars and termas and even place like MP what is the rule for paying your bar bill? Is it paid once the drink arrives? (which I think is safer). Or is it paid at the end when you leave the place.
Do different places have different rules, only I would prefer to pay as I go to prevent unwanted drinks added etc, but don't want to look silly if this is not the done thing in Rio.
Thanks[/QUOTE]Pay at the end. I don't think I've ever paid as it's served, unless I only wanted one drink. This applies to ALL restaurants as well. You may lose count in the termas, as your attention is drawn elsewhere. LOL
[QUOTE=Chingon]Pay at the end. I don't think I've ever paid as it's served, unless I only wanted one drink. This applies to ALL restaurants as well. You may lose count in the termas, as your attention is drawn elsewhere. LOL[/QUOTE]
Centaurus, because they trust and love everyone so much, requires payment (especially from newbie gringos) upfront. You can tell them you are not sure you want a girl and they will charge you R$120 (instead of R$400). However, should you decide to take a girl they will insist that you pay the remainder (R$280) right then. They are nice enough to trust that you will pay for your drinks and any food when you leave (but will most likely pad the bill -- so ask for a printout).
Oh, and do not forget to tip everyone in sight. In reality, they will not let you forget.
[QUOTE=Koolkid]When going out drinking in bars and termas and even place like MP what is the rule for paying your bar bill? Is it paid once the drink arrives? (which I think is safer). Or is it paid at the end when you leave the place.
Do different places have different rules, only I would prefer to pay as I go to prevent unwanted drinks added etc, but don't want to look silly if this is not the done thing in Rio.
Thanks[/QUOTE]
Usually the bill is paid when you are ready to leave and you ask for "a conta," the bill. Some places will give you the complete accounting with little slips of paper attached. It is acceptable and a good idea to study this accounting BEFORE you pay. Some smaller bars will collect when they deliver your drink. Some vary between the two practices depending on how crowded the bar is.
Some will attempt to pad the bill, most do not do this but occasionally mistakes are made. Itīs only human.
[QUOTE=Poucolouco]
Some will attempt to pad the bill, most do not do this but occasionally mistakes are made. Itīs only human.[/QUOTE]
Well I wouldn't be so sure. Most bars on Av. Atlantica will try to slip something extra on your bill.
Most notorious one is Balcony. They have couple of morons who keep doing that all the time.
Normal bars do not have this kind of practise.
Also many bars have a comanda, a card where they mark what you have consumed and then you'll pay when leaving.
[QUOTE=Poucolouco].....Some will attempt to pad the bill, most do not do this but occasionally mistakes are made. Itīs only human.[/QUOTE]
But it is only fucking typical brazilian that everytime.....occasionaly....they make mistakes....you ALWAYS are gonna to pay more, NEVER less....yes it is human and coincidentally....yes...for sure.... LOL
[QUOTE=Lukasek]But it is only fucking typical brazilian that everytime.....occasionaly....they make mistakes....you ALWAYS are gonna to pay more, NEVER less....yes it is human and coincidentally....yes...for sure.... LOL[/QUOTE]
To tell you the truth, I am with Poucolouco on this. Most of the time, any errors are in their favor, but I have come across situations were it was actually less, simply because they are so bad at math. BTW, the same happens here in Mexico, where I've been living for six years now: most waiters are just so bad at calculating in their head, they just do make a lot of mistakes. And then of course, there are clearly places where they routinely try to rip you off, no doubt about it. In all the places commonly frequented by mongers along Av. Atlantica, I have only had 2 or 3 problems with this over the years, during hundreds of visits to these establishments. Honestly, it's really not very common in my personal experience.
Of course, if someone is getting hammered out of his mind, the chances of getting ripped off increase dramatically. Since paying as you go along is not common, I suggest asking the waiter for a piece of paper where you can tick off drinks. I repeat: YOU keep track of your drinks for your own sake, not THEM. Sends a message that you're not a fool, too :)
EA
From the bill of minibar at Transamerica Hotel in Curitiba, from the 3 beers instead of 2 at Lagoa da coincecao in Floripa, even this afternoon at Ipanema, the bill of chair and drinks at the beach.....I have many examples from my experience and even more, if you start to ask to other turists....I am here almost 7 weeks, not 7 days....and everytime the errors were in their favor....never found a place as Brazil, where everybody has its dick out waiting to put it inside your ass....but obviously it is human, coincidentally that brazilians has problem with math....overwise I am sure their errors were in my favour, is not it ?
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/americas/03/05/lkl.brazil.custody/index.html[/url]
[quote]CNN) -- An 8-year-old American boy is caught in the middle of an ugly custody battle so high profile that Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is using her clout to try to bring the boy home.
David Goldman's legal battle to gain custody of his son has drawn the attention of Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.
In 2004, David Goldman dropped off his wife, Bruna, and then-4-year-old son, Sean, at the airport for a two-week vacation in Brazil. Shortly after she arrived in her native country, Bruna told David she wanted a divorce and planned to stay in Brazil with their son.
Bruna later remarried and got pregnant, but she died while giving birth last summer. Goldman thought he was getting his son back, but a Brazilian family court judge granted custody of Sean to Bruna's new husband.
Goldman talked with CNN's Larry King about the international legal battle he is waging to gain custody of his son. The following is an edited version of the interview.
Larry King: What caused the breakup of the marriage?
David Goldman: I don't know. Apparently, she decided she wanted to live in Brazil, where she said she had more friends and more family and where she was known.
King: Did you feel happily married?
Goldman: Yes, I thought we were happily married.
King: So this was a call out of the blue?
Goldman: I was completely blindsided and crushed.
King: What did you do then?
Goldman: Well, I (got) a phone call. My mom tracked it down as being Father's Day, about three days after they arrived. The first call was they got there safe, everything was OK. Then, I got a phone call and a very serious voice -- a voice they didn't recognize, really, as being, you know, it was out of her normal tone.
Bruna says, "David, we need to talk. You're a great guy. You're a wonderful father, but our love affair is ended, is over. I've decided I want to live in Brazil and you need to come down to Brazil immediately and sign 10 pages of papers with my attorney." There was a list of demands on these papers. One was giving her full custody. Another was to never go to the courts to file any claims of kidnapping or criminal charges.
King: Did you get to talk to your son?
Goldman: I got to talk to my son. In fact, I got to speak with all of them in the beginning, while they were still trying to get me to go down there and be trapped in this custody battle. At that point, I wasn't the enemy until I didn't meet her demands and I did go to the courts.
King: Well, when you went (to Brazil), who did you see? What did you do?
Goldman: I went to the courts. I went to every ruling on every court proceeding and with the guise that they would honor the Hague Treaty and return (my) son. And every time, it just got worse and worse.
In the first instance, they kept Sean for over a year before they made this ruling. And then they said, 'Well, you know, yes, he was taken unlawfully and he should have been returned, but now he's settled with the mother. These are Brazilian judges who have admitted that he's been held unlawfully and wrongfully.
King: How did you hear she died?
Goldman: I have friends who, kind of, have an ear to the ground in Brazil, and there were some articles that came out in some local Brazilian newspapers and they did some on the Internet and said she'd passed away.
King: Did you try then to get the child back legally?
Goldman: Yes. As soon as I was notified, I called both counsel in Brazil and in the U.S., and they said it should be over. You know, we have stacks of court records and all these treaties and it's always been about Bruna and David, Bruna and David. There's no more Bruna. By all matters of law, international and national and Brazilian law, no one has a legal claim of custody but the living, biological parent. Go down to Brazil and bring your son home.
King: What happened in court?
Goldman: In this past court, we finally got a visitation ruling. But when I went down the first time to bring my son home, we find out that this man doesn't file custody, but he files to remove my name from a Brazilian birth certificate that they had issued for my son, who was born in Red Bank, New Jersey. And with that, they gave him a provisionary guardianship -- a provisionary.
King: Obviously, he wanted the boy?
Goldman: Obviously.
King: When you were (with him?
Goldman: Oh, he was -- I just saw him this last February for the first time.
King: At eight years old, did he ask you why he's not with you?
Goldman: He asked why I haven't come to see him in all this time. And that was very, very painful -- and the anguish on his face when he asked me that question. And I didn't want to tell him that the situation that I'm not allowed -- that they weren't allowing me, they're holding him. So I just told him that I had been there many times with his grandmother, with his grandfather, with his cousins, with family friends to see him, sometimes staying for up to two weeks and the courts -- it was difficult.
King: How long did you have with him?
Goldman: I saw him for two days a total of about six hours.
King: How did you say goodbye?
Goldman: It was very, very difficult. I just kept telling him the whole time how much I love him, how much I miss him.
King: Did you tell him you were going to try to get him back?
Goldman: No. I told him I'm going to always try to be with him. I don't want him to be put in any type of awkward situation or uncomfortable situation. I just told him I love him, I miss him and everyone at home loves him. And he remembers things at home. We spoke English.
King: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has raised the Goldman case with the Brazilian government. Anything you'd say to her?
Goldman: I'm just -- I'm so grateful and thankful that -- that she's helping me and she knows what's right and sees what's right and she cares about children and parents' rights to be with their own flesh and blood[/quote]
What the fucking company is this ?
I went right now to airport to change my return date, it is 13:10 and....the office was closed, cause they open when they have a flight !!!
So in one city of more than 12 million of inhabitants, the only office of national british airline is in airport and open just few hours per day ????
Ok next time I will call for sure, but who could imagine thing like this ?
Wellcome to Brazil one more time I guess.....
P.S. the good thing, I stop a couple of taxis in the street and I was able to negotiate from copa to galeao and back to copa for only 50 reais LOL and it seems to me a real good price :)
P.S.S. I know I can rebook the flight from one agency travel here in copa, but they yesterday told me, they cannot print me the new ticket and I will have to pay it once at airport, so to make long short I do not trust this way too much and by internet, I tried too, did not work.
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Good Luck Amico
Question: Are the flights usually full go to Brazil from the US in early December?
I ask b/c I want to go back there during that time but I usually go during May or June.
Don't blame the britons or the brazilians, in my experience it is quite normal that airway companies offices at airport are only open at time of their flights, not only in this country but in many airports around the world.
Have you tried to make changes through their website ?
As far as printed ticket, do you really need this ?
It is years already I don't travel with a printed ticket.
[QUOTE=Lukasek]What the fucking company is this ?
I went right now to airport to change my return date, it is 13:10 and....the office was closed, cause they open when they have a flight !!!
So in one city of more than 12 million of inhabitants, the only office of national british airline is in airport and open just few hours per day ????
Ok next time I will call for sure, but who could imagine thing like this ?
Wellcome to Brazil one more time I guess.....
P.S. the good thing, I stop a couple of taxis in the street and I was able to negotiate from copa to galeao and back to copa for only 50 reais LOL and it seems to me a real good price :)
P.S.S. I know I can rebook the flight from one agency travel here in copa, but they yesterday told me, they cannot print me the new ticket and I will have to pay it once at airport, so to make long short I do not trust this way too much and by internet, I tried too, did not work.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Sky Boy]Question: Are the flights usually full go to Brazil from the US in early December?[/QUOTE]
[b]YES!!! VERY FULL!!!![/b]
Many Brazilians living in the US make reservations for Christmas travel to Brazil starting in August and September! This year, 2009, may be slightly different due to the recession/depression that is making air travel unaffordable to many.