Sao Paulo Reports

I will be in SP in a few weeks. I am looking for a good theraputic massage, with extras. HJ or BJ is fine.

Hotel service a plus, and some English required. I will probably be staying at the Renaissance.

Thanks.

Just to be fair and balanced.

Kin is still among the top choices I have for value. There are much cheaper and MUCH more expensive. There is better service, and MUCH worse, on average. For people like me, with limited frequency and budget, but abhor short-time / limited service events, Kin is still pretty good- WAY better than across the street at Berrini's.

A few days ago, I saw Cleo, formerly the exquisite hot model who they paraded on the front page of the now-invisible website. She used to offer unbelievable service and quality.

So, she (not I) has aged. She might even be around 35. Looking at her naked, she could tone about 3-7 kilos. But, she is beautiful inside and out. Slow to start, LFK, then DATY, then DFK will make her a forever fan, and she offers one of the most satisfying hours in the universe.

I and another poster panned Kin a bit. But, of the many places I have tried in SP, I continue to buy into the value.

That said, my love is not unconditional, and I will endeavor to post.

Hi guys.

Been posting in the Rio thread since moving there in Oct.

Any sense of how the SP scene will be during the work week after Christmas and before New Year's? Like Tues / Weds that week? One school of thought is that many girls go back to their homes and it will be thin talent.

Pondering a quick getaway trip and Fortaleza is way too expensive (RT flights for R$1100-R$1300)

Cartman

[QUOTE=Eric Cartman; 1102151]Hi guys.

Been posting in the Rio thread since moving there in Oct.

Any sense of how the SP scene will be during the work week after Christmas and before New Year's? Like Tues / Weds that week? One school of thought is that many girls go back to their homes and it will be thin talent.

Pondering a quick getaway trip and Fortaleza is way too expensive (RT flights for R$1100-R$1300)

Cartman[/QUOTE]I have been here that week many times. Not the best, but certainly doable. My thought would be to stick with the big places and areas. In other words, avoid the small clinicas. Instead, enjoy the BIG clinicas and the R. Augusta scene. That very cool list of top providers might be a great source, also.

If you are used to Rio, you might find Sao Paulo TOO MUCH WORK during that period. But, not impossible.

Clinica Redway comes to mind. They seem to work all holidays, so being in the vicinity of one shouldn't matter.

FT

[QUOTE=Full Throttle; 1102233]I have been here that week many times. Not the best, but certainly doable. My thought would be to stick with the big places and areas. In other words, avoid the small clinicas. Instead, enjoy the BIG clinicas and the R. Augusta scene. That very cool list of top providers might be a great source, also.

If you are used to Rio, you might find Sao Paulo TOO MUCH WORK during that period. But, not impossible.

Clinica Redway comes to mind. They seem to work all holidays, so being in the vicinity of one shouldn't matter.

FT[/QUOTE]Thanks, FT

For all of you business people out there, this is why you need to take care of your customers because they will venture out and find something better if you don't!

This one stood out because it is within walking distance of the Hilton Morumbi (and other hotels nearby) , it gets good and frequent reviews on the local forum, and the price is still pretty good at 80R / 30 min. 120R / hour. 160R 4-handed 1 hour (promotion).

Like many of these places, it was just an ordinary house in an okay neighborhood near where Sto. Amarro crosses Rique Petroni Jr. The only thing that makes it stand out is the large lettering on the wall indicating the address. In fact, I think that if you were to walk through all of the neighborhoods in Sampa knocking only on doors where the address numbers are in red and greater than 8", you will never need a forum again for guidance in finding professional girls!

Anyway, they buzz you in by the carport and you walk down indoor-outdoor hallway about 50' long, then turn right open another door, and enter the reception area. There are two seating areas partially separated by a curtain. There were 2 managers working, neither as nice or fun as the ones at Kin, but it is nice, for once, not to want to bang the one female you can't.

At 3pm on a Monday. 6 girls presented themselves to me. One was a no-go for most. 3 were okay, and 2 were particularly attractive, Sara and Jessica. A guy there gestured to me in such a way to indicate that Jessica may have strong oral skills. Sara, very highly-reviewed locally, was my very interesting, eventual choice.

Sara took me down the hallway to a nicely appointed room, with a never-to-be-used massage table, a rubber bed that she brought a sheet for, and an attached bathroom and shower. The temperature in the room was fine.

She is around 24, died blondish hair. 5'4", no kids, and shaved clean. She may weigh 115 pounds, or maybe less. She is not overly athletic but rather soft and pleasing to the touch. No flab or anything, just nice and feminine. Among the interesting things is her skin tone. She is extremely fair, even lighter than I, which is saying something. And, there are no signs of tan lines anywhere. Keep in mind, it is the equivalent of June 14th there, and the weather has been very hot.

Another interesting thing is her tattoo. She only has one, but it is a full-color work of feminine art on her back, a flower arrangement of sorts. I asked her about it, thinking how much more normal it is for one to begin with a small tattoo somewhere, then graduate to the bigger, more detailed ones. She had an answer, but I have no fricking idea what it was.

So, the event was very sweet, but, in keeping with her persona, not overly aggressive or naughty. Very nice, long DFK, a BBBJ for as long as you can stand, DATY also for LONGER than most can stand, as it took 30+ minutes, multiple fingers and every trick in the book to finally make her get off. Sex available in whatever positions you want and, according to some local reports, anal is available. With the size of her conventional area, which is pleasantly teency-weency, I would wonder if you would even want anal with her. She asked that I avoid CIM, but that was the only stated restriction during our session.

I think this will be a nice alternative for $40R less for 30 minutes and $20R for an hour compared to Kin.

Ful Throttle,

Clinica Novo Cancioneiro was formerly Casa do Hector. As everybody knows Hector moves two or three years ago to Espaço Morumbi (former Cubo Verde on Chafic Maluff Street, very close to the Morumbi shopping Centre).

Casa do hector 1 was one of my favorite place a couple of years ago. Read my former posts (in 2007 or 2008) I was among the first to visit Clinica Novo Cancioneiro when they reopened. The place was spotted by the LE and that's the reason why Hector moved to another location. That's also why they change from a privê to a clinic.

I don't know if it's the same girl at the reception. A former « hectorette ». She was good looking (but the last time I saw her she gained a lot of weight).

I'll be back there soon.

So I went to cafe foto last night. I had not been there since they renovated it. The space is amazing very high end spot. Beutifull space. There were about 30-40 girls and not to many guys (arived at 1:30am) I picked out a nice 5 ft tall dirty blond hair girl with great implants. Her name was samantha. She wanted $500 for 3 hours in my hotel. I grab about 4-5 drinks with my buddy and tried to get her down to $400. Back at my room she was very very very sexyyyyy and it was well worth the cost.

Entrance fee-$150.

Drinks-$200.

Girl-$500.

Anal-didn't ask.

Got the facebook and the number.

Also went to francebel which was amazing. Great facility. Nice sauna. The girl I choose gave such a good massage that I almost didn't go through with the deed. I would highly recommend this place.

Girl-$150 for 1. 5 hrs.

Entrance- don't remember

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1103152]Ful Throttle,

Casa do hector 1 was one of my favorite place a couple of years ago. Read my former posts (in 2007 or 2008) I was among the first to visit Clinica Novo Cancioneiro when they reopened. The place was spotted by the LE and that's the reason why Hector moved to another location. That's also why they change from a privê to a clinic.

[/QUOTE]Please excuse my ignorance, but what's the difference between a privê and a clinica? Why would LE be interested in Hector and his operation?

[QUOTE=Jose Lima; 1103587]So I went to cafe foto last night. I had not been there since they renovated it. The space is amazing very high end spot. Beutifull space. There were about 30-40 girls and not to many guys (arived at 1:30am) I picked out a nice 5 ft tall dirty blond hair girl with great implants. Her name was samantha. She wanted $500 for 3 hours in my hotel. I grab about 4-5 drinks with my buddy and tried to get her down to $400. Back at my room she was very very very sexyyyyy and it was well worth the cost.

Entrance fee-$150.

Drinks-$200.

Girl-$500.

Anal-didn't ask.

Got the facebook and the number.

[/QUOTE]

Is that $ US or Reais R?

No matter what it was. 850 is way too much. Thanks for inflating the prices for the rest of us.

[QUOTE=Tiradentes; 1104091]Is that $ US or Reais R?

No matter what it was. 850 is way too much. Thanks for inflating the prices for the rest of us. [/QUOTE]Look sampa is expensive now. Cafe Foto is one of the most expensive places in Sampa, everyone knows that. If someone wants to go there and spend R$850 then that is their business and it isn't pushing up the price for anyone. I really don't think your comment is a correct assessment of the situation!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy;1104108]Look sampa is expensive now. Cafe Foto is one of the most expensive places in Sampa, everyone knows that. If someone wants to go there and spend R$850 then that is their business and it isn't pushing up the price for anyone. I really don't think your comment is a correct assessment of the situation![/QUOTE]I concur with Bubba Boy: São Paulo IS an expensive city. According to an annual survey conducted by a serious firm (I don't believe which one) São Paulo is the second most expensive city of the world after Oslo.

For many years the average price for an indy was R$200. Now it's more like 250 or even R$300. (But you can still bargain it down to R$200 and less).

[QUOTE=Sui Generis; 1104110]I concur with Bubba Boy: São Paulo IS an expensive city. According to an annual survey conducted by a serious firm (I don't believe which one) São Paulo is the second most expensive city of the world after Oslo.

For many years the average price for an indy was R$200. Now it's more like 250 or even R$300. (But you can still bargain it down to R$200 and less). [/QUOTE]You can have quite many GdP for R$150 for 1. 5hrs + motels.

[QUOTE=Bionicman;1104125]You can have quite many GdP for R$150 for 1. 5hrs + motels.[/QUOTE]Absolutely, I tend to find my average price is about R$ 125 for all girls that I do business with in Rio and I guarantee you 90% of the girls I do are way hotter than 90% of the girls at the really expensive places. Having said that, every now and again I like to go crazy at the more expensive joints, particularly when in Sampa. If you have the money you should take advantage of that, life is too friggin short!

My point is I don't think it is correct for somebody to say by going to the more expensive places that it affects the price in the average run of the day places. It is a completely different market. Paying R$850 at the ultra high end doesn't do jack shit for the prices at my R$ 125 a pop places!

[QUOTE=Bubba Boy; 1104230]Absolutely, I tend to find my average price is about R$ 125 for all girls that I do business with in Rio and I guarantee you 90% of the girls I do are way hotter than 90% of the girls at the really expensive places. Having said that, every now and again I like to go crazy at the more expensive joints, particularly when in Sampa. If you have the money you should take advantage of that, life is too friggin short!

My point is I don't think it is correct for somebody to say by going to the more expensive places that it affects the price in the average run of the day places. It is a completely different market. Paying R$850 at the ultra high end doesn't do jack shit for the prices at my R$ 125 a pop places! [/QUOTE]I agree on your conCLUsions and ii am also a "spender" (ie if you can afford, why not)

What is often debated here in ISG (any forum) is the tendency to pay, eg. 300 for a girl usually demanding 200 or 1500 for a girl demanding 1200 or 1000 (whatever currency) and not under the form of a tip a the end.

That is an action inflating prices and that should be avoided (rather than condemned, as anyone can do what he wants with his money)

On this I somehow agree. But I less agree on the flaming around that.

On the other hand the more I look at the web pages of the GdP, and having experimented also a few in SP (see a report of a few weeks ago) I have to say that the 150/200 GdP have nothing less than some Cafè Foto girls (might even be that some double act as "individual GdP" at popular rates daytime and then go for the high market as a CF girl, automatically entitle to demand for more.

Something liek this happens in Singapore: the same girl has two different prices. One for the her OT bar's 'resdiential' and another (higher) one for the nearby Brix (inside Hyatt).

A few girls confirmed this to me.

Each one his own, but as the Cafè Foto (or alike) venues do not guarantee much service quality (as a clinica often does, for instance) better take the risk with a g. Reat (and reasonably cheaper) GdP than paying the extras of a Cafè Foto venue.