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[QUOTE=Jymondor;2133862]...Day 4. GIA.
I picked Kristina...
...I kept her 4 hrs. One of the best sessions in my long mongering history. Damage 8000 (4 hrs) + 200 (taxi) + 2000 (GEEK). Not cheap, but I have not enough registers in my brain to calculate how much it would cost the same with such a young girls in Toronto.
Day 5. GIA.
No more experiments. GIA has proven itself as only reliable option in Kiev.
I booked Alexa. Totally different experience than Kristina.
She is quite new. GIA site honestly mentioned that Alexa is new...
Conclusion. I'the rather pay more GIA than will keep experimenting with cheaper alternatives. I am not about longer relationships, so I did not try adventures with mamba / tinder girls. However I maybe will dedicate one day of the next venue to try "hidden" agency or maybe some indy. Just because of it is some gambling.[/QUOTE]Excellent honest report. Kiev is certainly a little different from Toronto).
Kristina is exactly as you described. A true treasure, not much of a talker. Sweet, shy, and rather active in missionary. Cannot forget her long legs stretched making a V in the air, while hearing her heavenly voice coming again and again. One of the best for making love to.
Alexa is different indeed. She is not that new, working at least since 2016, she did take a break from GiA though. I had great sessions with her, and also not so good. Sometimes Alexa is a little on the lazy side. Good to see her trying harder for customers. She is definitely gifted in many ways, including intellectual abilities, and knows how to use her best skills and qualities.
Sincerely glad you enjoyed it, and found time to post informative detailed report.
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Really?
[QUOTE=Jymondor;2134337]As you buy SIM card in Kiev, all three sizes will be in the package.[/QUOTE]How civilized! Thank you.
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This is my point. Why are the girls going to work for anything less than $100 an hour, when they can go to Rio or Gia, or go to another country. Maybe if your are doing the street game, but highly unlikely for High End Girl for anything less.
Also, girls have many other options to make money in Kiev, They can do the dating sites, write letter and do video chat!! They can easily make $15-25 an hour and no sex, in the states that is nothing, but in Kiev that is a lot. I am not talking about top level girl just normal girls.
I just do not understand why guys go to bang a 5 or 6's, in Kiev and pay top dollar. Yes, they will go to your apartment and tell you are the best thing in the world, since sliced bread. If you are into this, then I guess it is okay. I have traveled all over the world and I am average guy, with a nice budget, but I never pay more then $200. I can go to any country and bang 7 and 8's, with occasional 9, probably never had a 10. I guess most guys would rate these girls as 10's, but they are not. In Kiev now it is almost impossible now to get anything above 6, but your are paying between 100-200 hour, plus travel expenses, this is big waist of money. You can bang top level girl in many countries if this is your budget.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;2134461]Hi Howie,
Your nickname looks familiar from FKK threads.
I just returned from FKK Sharks. Quiet Sunday, expectedly thin LU, but I managed two fabulous rooms. Well known Kenyan Ellie and relatively new milfy Cornelia with outstanding performance without upselling. I enjoyed there yesterday and planning to be tomorrow. After five straight days mongering in Kiev, this is quite of change. Sharks still works perfectly for me. I cannot say whether is worse or better than Kiev. It is impossible to compare. Totally different things.
Yes, I went through the ads on Relax portal. It is one of many very similar resources. They might have a different design, but one key feature is common for all of them: if something there looks TGTBT it means not true. I communicate with the guys on Kiev-x forum. Local dudes post reports about their experience with the prostitutes..[/QUOTE]
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Nice, the redhead is cute. Sorry the other girls are marginal, but looks like you are having fun!
[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2134528]Good explanation. Students may have relatives, classmates, careers, better sponsors long-term sponsors ahead of them. Therefore they hide their real faces.
Few years ago I met one very energetic 18 yo. She did the opposite: posted her own pic with open face and more, and then claimed that this was a photo-modeling session sold for money for call-girls to use, and she didn't sell herself any other way, that she was a wealthy lady above all that nonsense. I knew for sure the opposite was true. She did everything.
Anyway. Here are a few with blurred faces and such, but pic are real. More important, I thoroughly enjoyed each one of them:.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Deer1234;2134561]How civilized! Thank you.[/QUOTE]All types of SIMs are available at Point of Sale. Sometimes they simply cut larger SIM cards with punch-cutters right there in front of you to make a smaller one. Kyivstar is one of the local carriers. There's a big office on Kreshchatyk next to Passage and another one in Bessarabsky Market. Smaller kiosk are all over Kiev.
There could be a waiting line at the Airport. I have my driver / events manager bring the SIM cards to the airport. Send me PM please, if you want his phone / Viber number. Reliable guy, speaks English. I do not benefit from referencing him.
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[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2134546]Alexa is different indeed. She is not that new, working at least since 2016, she did take a break from GiA though. I had great sessions with her, and also not so good. Sometimes Alexa is a little on the lazy side. Good to see her trying harder for customers. [/QUOTE]I wouldn't say that Alexa tried harder for me. She just let me try harder on her. I can accommodate many types of the girls. I test the girls first few minutes to understand what type is she. First of all, I decide whether to keep her more than one hour or not. If I am going to keep her, the next decision, what I will do next. Variants:
1. Relax and follow the girls. Sometimes it could be an exciting experience. It works with the enthusiastic experienced girls.
2. Take initiative and force PSE session. Works with different types of girls, but each girl has her own limits. The session could be totally ruined if I overestimate girl's suitability for hardcore action.
3. Turn it to the play and show the girls tricks I learned around the world. My favourite type of session. It works for the enthusiastic girls regardless of experience. The session with Kristina was like that. She liked to learn pussy slide but did not accept forced BBBJ a.k.a. face-fucking, which is more suitable for the Variant 2.
4. Make it nice and soft in GND stile. It works for lazy and passive but good looking sensual girls like Alexa. The main condition of this variant: the girls must be sweet enough to get pleasure kissing and caressing her.
5. Go out with the girl for a dinner after the first pop and then back to the bed. Works for nice looking good talkers. Usually, this is a perfect stimulation for more enthusiastic second part of the date.
This strategy really helps. The session is always disappointing if it does not meet the expectation. So I make my expectation at the beginning and build my session accordingly. If the girl is so lousy so I cannot imagine what she can be used for, I let her go as pre-paid hour expires.
Usually, I book a girl for 16:00 or 17:00. This gives me another chance in case if the arrived girl is useless.
Actually this is beauty of the mongering. Some gambling. Like a Pocker game. Not always you get the cards you want to see. But you can play and win if the strategy is right.
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2134562]This is my point. Why are the girls going to work for anything less than $100 an hour, when they can go to Rio or Gia, or go to another country. Maybe if your are doing the street game, but highly unlikely for High End Girl for anything less.[/QUOTE]I spoke to GIA / RIO girls. There is screening there with many candidates for one position. Also, GIA / RIO girls publically show their faces. Not many girls can step over that.
Many Ukrainian girls work abroad. But they cannot work in EU countries legally.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2134562]Also, girls have many other options to make money in Kiev, They can do the dating sites, write letter and do video chat!! They can easily make $15-25 an hour and no sex, in the states that is nothing, but in Kiev that is a lot. I am not talking about top level girl just normal girls.[/QUOTE]$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that.
[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2134562]I just do not understand why guys go to bang a 5 or 6's, in Kiev and pay top dollar. Yes, they will go to your apartment and tell you are the best thing in the world, since sliced bread. If you are into this, then I guess it is okay. I have traveled all over the world and I am average guy, with a nice budget, but I never pay more then $200. I can go to any country and bang 7 and 8's, with occasional 9, probably never had a 10. I guess most guys would rate these girls as 10's, but they are not. In Kiev now it is almost impossible now to get anything above 6, but your are paying between 100-200 hour, plus travel expenses, this is big waist of money. You can bang top level girl in many countries if this is your budget.[/QUOTE]I cannot say for all. But I pay top dollars for my convenience. I don't want any obligations or any relationships longer than the paid time of the session.
I cannot go to any country to find nice looking girls at the affordable price. My destinations dictated by the business needs.
I do not sort girls with the 1 to 10 scale. There are quite a few 9+ looking girls in German FKK clubs. Price is the same as for lower class girls. But I do not hunt them. Visually I can see them in all details sitting on the sofa in the main area. In most of the cases, beauties are poor performers because they can make good money only being beautiful. "Optickfickers" pay just being in the room with them. Many of beauties do not kiss and even do not let touch the pussy from outside. If the girl is a top looker and acceptable performer there is a long line of the waiting men. She barely seen in the main area. Evita at FKK Sharks is an example.
I remember only one top looker I managed a couple good session. She kissed under conditions that session is one hour or more. I employed Variant 4 from my previous post. It was Nastia at FKK Sharks. There are many posts about her at the Sharks thread including mine. She is not there anymore.
I was hunting beauties in the past. But now I am OK with the young pretty girls. Not sure where they are on that scale. Alexa looks way better than Kristina. But time with Kristina was much better than with Alexa.
Of course, I am not talking about uglies. In my standards, the girl's face must be kissable, body nice and firm. She can be shorter or taller, breast of any size, but not saggy. I cannot tolerate bad overweight. Also, pussy type is important to me. Fortunately, GIA website describes the pussy type. So the pussy type was a part of the decision to chose Kristina and Alexa.
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[QUOTE=Jymondor;2134856]...Usually, I book a girl for 16:00 or 17:00. This gives me another chance in case if the arrived girl is useless.
Actually this is beauty of the mongering. Some gambling. Like a Pocker game. Not always you get the cards you want to see. But you can play and win if the strategy is right.[/QUOTE]Great way to put it. We certainly have a lot in common.
#3 I tried on MILF. She paid back and more! I am not sure who was teaching who, because at the end of our second date she cranked it up, and I could barely catch up with her stamina.
Kristina for me was more like GND, #4 in your classification. I liked her so much, that I didn't dare to push for rough, there was a hint from me, which she declined in the most elegant manner. Love them peasant girls turning into ladies after a year or two in Kiev. I am actually curious, how would you rate Kristina's beauty 1-10? I would say face to face in missionary she is at least a 9. Eyes like magnets, young tender breasts, fresh skin, delicious nipples, and those curves all over her body! Although, if I was to meet her in the street, I would say 6.
Alexa is perhaps 7-8 looks, and anywhere from 3 to 8-9 performance, depending on her mood.
To be honest, not too many girls are truly beautiful at GIA, but there's some assured level of class and decency, it is not going to be less that 6 in looks, and performance often is inversely proportional to physical beauty.
Here is Elvira, I mentioned few posts below. When I first met her in a cheap long dress and high heels, I had serious doubts, but promiscuity took over, and we started kissing in the elevator on the way up to my apartment. She is only 5'3" and knows she has to work hard to gain credibility, which she did, making me above and beyond being happy before proceeding with #5 in your classification (Theater with food and drinks, and then back to apartment):
[URL]http://ua-sex.com/girl/664[/URL]
I would rate Elvira up-close beauty (in lingerie right next to me, while moaning from being fingered) at least at 8, and performance at 8-9. I would give her 5-6 in the street. Such is my twisted mind, I find some ladies more beautiful, when they are in my arms ready to be taken.
5'9" - 6'0" girls certainly touch vanity, but I like creative short girls just fine. Personality goes a long way. And in terms of personality here comes Bogdana. Also not at GIA anymore, but boy could she fuck! Her usual trick was saying: "Why did you stop? Don't you like me?
[URL]http://ua-sex.com/girl/535[/URL]
Bogdana was 6-7 both in my kitchen, and in my bedroom. She scored 9-10 on performance. My rectus femoris (front thigh muscles) were hurting after pumping her. She also half-jokingly complained about inner thighs shaking and aching after a long doggie and CG. She left GIA over a year ago.
There is Veronika. Recently returned to GIA, disappeared, returned, and disappeared again few days ago, maybe misbehaved and got kicked out after customer complaints, maybe went for a long trip with someone, maybe had too much from one of us. Like Alexa, she enjoys it some, but mostly works there for money (aren't they all? 8-9 looks in and out, bubble butt, great breasts, long legs. Pleasure while fucking her for the first time, just due to physical attributes. She is the only one at GIA though, that refused to kiss. Despite DFK stated on the website. And GIA doesn't have a surcharge for DFK, girls either do or do not, end of discussion. My lower head got the best of me, I decided to continue with Veronika after arrival, and would give her 8 for mating skills. Went for #5 (fuck, fuck again, then theater and nice restaurant), after which there was time for extra-curriculum activities, but I sent her away, because she has some insecurity in behavior, teenage inferiority even at 24 yo leading to attempts of patronizing, condescending behavior, which IMO is a big no-no in this Line of Business. Hence: Good-bye, Sweetie, and no more money for you:
[URL]http://ua-sex.com/girl/580[/URL]
I see more and more suspicious reviews at GIA websites (the agency manages at least 4 or 5). Some customer reviews are obviously copy and paste done to lure more of us, some are marketing done by the girl herself, or on her behalf. It is a balancing act between pretending they are honest and objective, and the need to moderate. They certainly do not post every feedback. Girls themselves (Alexa) complained about the latter.
Would I use GIA girls during my next visit? I would do pocker / gambling first for 1300/2000 UAH from trusted agency first. Then learn mamba- it's about time! Then after having enough variety in the first few days call up my tried and true troops (well tested girlfriends of the past). And whenever in dire circumstances I would definitely call GIA. It is more of a sure thing, and due to progressive exponential scale it is cheaper for 6-10 hours, and especially for multiple days gigs.
Cheers!
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I agree about Rio / GIA, they are the best options in Kiev, but when you add in your travel expenses then they both start getting very expensive and I fell there are countries with better options. If you can afford them, then it is a good option. My post's are mostly to target the guys that are on budgets, looking for top level girls or in Kiev for a short period of time, they will probably be real disappointed and do not want them to be taken advantage of. There are many Sams in Kiev and if you are not careful you can be taken advantage of very quickly.
As far as how much girls can make in Kiev you would be surprised, how much ex-girlfriends and here friends were making, in the dating industry. There is a lot of lonely guys out there.
[QUOTE=Jymondor;2134868]I spoke to GIA / RIO girls. There is screening there with many candidates for one position. Also, GIA / RIO girls publically show their faces. Not many girls can step over that.
Many Ukrainian girls work abroad. But they cannot work in EU countries legally.
$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that.
I cannot say for all. But I pay top dollars for my convenience. I don't want any obligations or any relationships longer than the paid time of the session.
I cannot go to any country to find nice looking girls at the affordable price. My destinations dictated by the business needs..[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=Jymondor;2134868]...Alexa looks way better than Kristina. But time with Kristina was much better than with Alexa...[/QUOTE]You nailed it, man! Agree on all points in your post, including the criteria for selecting escorts.
Alexa is cute. Kristina's face improves significantly when her eyes are right next to you. IMHO Kristina's body is better regardless of the distance).
There's more fish in the sea though, not only these two, even at GIA. And yes, they try to screen the talent. I also admire certain freedom they give to their employees. Girls are not forced to work against their will, desire to earn money makes them to. Smart management. I wonder who established business processes there?
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[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2134884]Kristina's face improves significantly when her eyes are right next to you. IMHO Kristina's body is better regardless of the distance).[/QUOTE]Bingo! This is exactly the reason why I stop hunting beauties. As you pull girl's face closer to your eyes impression totally changed. Face lines and proportions do not matter anymore. Smiling eyes is that what you see. If girl's eyes do not smile while kissing the chance of good date is low. I've been in the situations when I start kissing real beauty but her eyes are dead, the face looks not as beautiful as from the distance. Kristina is the perfect example how much better the face can look if it is closer. Also, kissing Kristina I don't see her teeth. She definitely needs the brackets.
[QUOTE=PhotoSlider;2134884]There's more fish in the sea though, not only these two, even at GIA. And yes, they try to screen the talent. I also admire certain freedom they give to their employees. Girls are not forced to work against their will, desire to earn money makes them to. Smart management. I wonder who established business processes there?[/QUOTE]I don't know who are those people. But I know they have very powerful support (the roof) at the very high offices, because GIA has exclusive right to work openly in spite this business is illegal in Ukraine. I bet you that fat chunk of money we pay to the girls go straight to these high-end offices.
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[QUOTE=DramaFree11;2134883]My post's are mostly to target the guys that are on budgets, looking for top level girls or in Kiev for a short period of time, they will probably be real disappointed and do not want them to be taken advantage of. [/QUOTE]In my experience moneywise the best options are FKK in NRW. Say Acapulco in Velbert. 35 Euros entrance and 40 Euros 1/2 hrs with the girl. There is a selection there for any test. Much less upselling than in Hessen. I cannot guarantee the wedding night at 40 Euros, but I managed many good sessions there. I quit visiting NRW for the Frankfurt clubs. More $$ but much better facilities in terms of staying. Better wellness, better food, better main area. Girls are totally naked and this is important to me too. In NRW girls wear at least something. But not a huge difference in the lineups.
I keep trying affordable options in Kiev. I am sure it is possible to find acceptable variants.
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[QUOTE=Jymondor;2135036]...I don't know who are those people. But I know they have very powerful support (the roof) at the very high offices, because GIA has exclusive right to work openly in spite this business is illegal in Ukraine. I bet you that fat chunk of money we pay to the girls go straight to these high-end offices.[/QUOTE]I am not talking about protection. AFAIK they are protected by police at some level, and about 50% of what we pay goes to all sorts of overhead. My question is about business processes within GIA. There is good decision making by some experienced people. Is it homegrown Ukrainian, or someone imported with education and exposure to external markets?
Another question: does GIA read ISG? Girls or management? I certainly hope noone spills anything outside of
our Forum.
[blue]This is an open website Forum. Anybody can find the site.
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[QUOTE=Jymondor;2134868]...$15-25 an hour? Easily? In Kiev? Not likely. Very few girls are lucky like that...[/QUOTE]Very few girls are lucky to earn that much. That's why prices are still competitive, and gentlemen keep traveling to Ukraine. Some have adequate fun returning with elevated spirits, some feel misguided, cheated and deceived. Such is life.
Every Ukrainian girl is dreaming about making $15-25/ hour or more on a consistent basis, and they are spreading rumors, trying to force prospective buyers of their commodities to think that way.
Reality is far from that. Some work as city tour guides, translators, webcam models, travel companions. Most of the time it is short gigs here and there in constant pursuit of reliable male provider for their manicure spa and other ongoing expenses, because we do want our ladies to look great, don't we? That is why girls juggle short-term customers, cancel cheaper dates in favor of more lucrative ones, and try to hook up with longer-term sponsor without forgoing the daily hunting routine. One of the best GIA girls explained it matter-of-factly: "I will visit you from time to time when you are here. And when you are away, and I need money, - I simply make a call".
Moments of fun and glory do not last that long for these ladies. Up until 25-28 on average, depending on self-discipline. It is similar to life in professional sports, and by that age they either have to have a reliable sugar daddy, or get married, or gain sufficient financial freedom by having private residence and certain bank account. Not a simple task for a young person.
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Kiss.
Hi,
Well I would suggest that try your luck on a girl-to-girl basis. Often you can call and ask the operator, but when you are wiht the girl, it really comes down to the "vibe" you have with the girl.
No guarantees, but you try and worse case scenario, she may say no.
[QUOTE=KY694;2106305]Thanks for the report.
I have a stupid question.
In some massage places, you can pay extra to get "kiss".
But the webpage does not explain if it is the girl kissing your body / you kissing the girls' body / mutual lip / mutual french kiss.
I am of course looking for french kisses.
I have read a few websites from massage salons, none of them give an explanation.
Can you share the contact of the apartment (website? Where you paid 1000 UAH?[/QUOTE]