Dutch sounds like a smart guy!
i agree with almost everyhthing that dutch wrote and if you are a newbie and follow his instructions you will do fine in help. there are terma guys, there are help guys and some guys like to go to places that only the locals go. i like the termas but i don't go there much because i don't like the fact that i have to pay the same prices for every girl. at help, i can get a top quality girl, all night for less money than an hour in a terma.
i would just add a few things. i beleive the quality of the girls outside of help is usually much lower than the quality inside. if you come to rio to meet girls and have a good time i say, go in help, have a drink and watch. if you just relax and watch you will see how the game is played and you will be able to see which girls to stay away from and which girls are the gems.
talk to guys there that appear to know what they are doing. don't be shy, i have been going to rio for a long time and i love to help guys out. most guys that go to rio are pretty cool and if you strike up a conversation with them, let them know you are new they will help you out.
dutch said it but i want to make clear. relax! you are in control, remember to stay in control of the conversation. i think that most guys get into to trouble because they allow the women to take control because they are aggressive. the most aggressive girls are usually the girls that will give you problems later.
i tell first timers who ask me, you pick the girls, don't let them pick you! good job dutch.
[quote=dutch44]rio, beginners guide and tips for help - copacabana - january 2009
well.....whatever people think about help, it's there and it does have some advantages too. it's a great disco and the atmosphere can be magic at times.
anyway, because this forum is about 'working girls', i thought i create a short list of information and tips for 'beginners' visiting rio for the first time and going to help. it's based on my own experiences and my point of view and some of you may disagree with it or have additional tips. be my guest. most of what i wrote can be found in bits an pieces on this forum or is just plain obvious for the 'experienced' mongers. but still i hope it may be useful to some.
1) help is easy to find at the avenida atlântica in copacabana and there are plenty hotels or apartments close to it. any taxi driver will know it. it opens at 23h00 and closes around 04h00 or 05h00. entrance fee before midnight at this moment (january 2009) is 28 r$ and after midnight 38 r$. most people line up and get in just before midnight.
if you get a hotel, make sure you check beforehand that it is girl-friendly. so you can bring someone, without cost, to your room. most hotels will however require the wg to bring her passport and leave it at the reception. when you rent an apartment, make sure it will have a 24 hour doorman (most of them have this) for security. better safe than sorry.
2)in front of help is a verandah where the working girls (wg's or garotas) start gathering from 22h00 onwards. it's fun to watch the scence and have a drink there. there will be a good many wg's that stay at the verandah and dont even go inisde for dancing. once reason being that some of them don't want to invest the entry fee.
3) taking a girl from the help verandah: typically the girls here will accept lower rates than inside. once it gets late (after 02h00) prices will do down. you may be able to find a wg here that agrees to as little as 100r$ for 1 hour. (you pay the taxi on top of that. may be like 20 r$ to copa/ipanema both ways). more common wg rate is r$ 150-200 for 2 hours. be sure to check the wg well, there are some nasty favela girls there that you may not want inside your apartment/hotel causing trouble.
4) taking a wg from inside help (the disco). prices are a little higher, simply because of the entrance fee and the 'investment' the wg's make in their dresses, clothes, jewelry. you will find favela wg's there, but also 'princesses' that wear expensive clothes and want higher fees. typical requested fee may be r$ 300 for 2 hours. but when it's late, this may come down to 200 r$, but usually not much lower. some of the princesses will start with 500 r$ or more. that's way too much. that would be more than a minimum monthly wage in brazil!. unless you don't care about money or ruining the pricing the rest of us, you should not accept it and negotiate it down towards 300 r$ or less, even if the wg princess looks like a supermodel!
5)scanning a wg: this is a very important part and should not be underestimated, including the agreements you make with her.
6) approaching: there will be wg's that approach you, others that only look at you, and some that 'apparently' ignore you. those may be local girls (none wg's) or princesses that demand very high prices because they think they are special. i prefer the ones that look, but dont try to grab me.(and think i'm an easy target) i observe that particularly 40+ year old gringo's give in to these more aggressive ones to easily. it can be hard resist that young fresh, dancing sexy lady that grabs your hand and takes over. i did it once and regretted it.
7) now step by step the approaching process:
tip1: never rush, take your time and speak with the girl, check the chemistry. of course speaking some (minimal) portuguese will be required. most wg's in rio do not speak english or very very little english. if the girl does not speak english and you do not speak portuguese, it will not make things better. perhaps you don't care and just want 60 minutes of 'fast fun'. but it will mean you miss out on most of, it not all, of the gfe. (girlfriend experience)
tip2: do not go with the wg to her own place. always bring her to a safe place that you know and can trust. (like your hotelroom or apartment) at night: always take a taxi. (dont go walking anywhere at night, and that includes the beach) do not take the taxis parked in front of help (they cost 2-3 times more). take only the onces that happen to pass by on the ave. atlantica and have a meter. (tem metro?, do you have a meter?). if no meter, don't get that taxi. fee to most places in copa or ipanema (starting from help) should be around 8-15 r$, depending on distance.
tip2: if the wg wants to rush it, slow her down and say that you are not in a hurry and want to talk or dance a bit. never let her take too much initiative. you are the customer and the customer is king. she should respect that. just as you should respect that she is a person, has feelings too and wants to be treated well.
tip3: make clear agreements about everything. a,the price. b: how long she will stay (best: at what time she will leave your apartment/hotel) the time starts when you enter the room. you could even write all of it on a piece of paper if the communication feels fuzzy. i've seen too many screwups with people that thought that tln (all nights) means many hours, whereas the girl thinks she can leave in 1 hour, because it is already 04h00 in the morning.
tip4: ask here what she does and does not do? faz tudo? (do you do everything?), or you may find out in your hotel that she refuses to do things you like. like 'i dont like to kiss, do bj etc)
tip5: make sure she knows what you like and want to do.
tip6: hygiene: always wear your rubbers. if you like oral, rinse your mouth afterwards with antiseptic mouthwash (like listerine). when she gives you a bbbj, wash your little john with soap and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord134][CodeWord134][/url] afterwards. (i'm not a medical doctor, but these tips are just to help protect you. if you want 100% safe sex in rio, stay at home!)
tip6: make sure she knows that you pay here at the end when she leaves and all is done. if not, you may find yourself in a situation where she rushes things and leaves right after you're 'done' (in say 30 minutes), even if you agreed to 2 hours. (because she's already got her money, right?)
tip7: hide expensive stuff, computers, digital cameras and your money, when you bring a help wg in your room. things may 'disappear' if you're not careful. put money in a locker or heavy suitcase.
tip8: when you negotiate, stay friendly with her, but dont be afraid to be very clear. when there is anything you don't like, say it right away. bring it in a diplomatic way, as in: "sorry, we dont fit well together, i hope you will find somebody else". nobody likes to be rejected, including wg's. if you say it this way, she may understand and give in to your wishes and be a fun night afterall. in some cased if the girls likes you, you could spend several nights at reduced rate. don't overpay.
tip9: brazilian women do not like 'weak' men. if you just came in from europe or the usa, as the typical gringo, cave in to her aggressive approach, pay her 500 r$ for 1 single hour and don't speak a single word of portuguese, she will (rightly so) think you are just a stupid gringo. and that's how she will treat you. expect fake moaning (after 10 minutes, pretending she has an orgasm when you just touch her) and expect her trying to 'finish' you with lightning speed. so she can rush back to help and make more money. don't overpay.
tip10: however if you do the scanning well, if you are clear about what you want and pay, negiotiate, speak some portuguese, make some jokes, and treat her with respect, you may find a real gem now and then. even at help. outside help the chances are better though. you may find yourself a steaming hot, lively, funny girlfriend, if only for 1 night or a few hours. you may find yourself wondering how it is possible that such women exist. even if most, if not all of it, is a game, there can be real pleasure and fun in this game. that means for you, and for her.
any questions? don't ask me.....check and read this forum!
enjoy rio and stay safe...
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Where to watch super bowl in Rio?
Hello,
A quick question. Where is a good place to watch the Super Bowl in Copacabana or Ipanema tonight? I'd like to see it (together with my chica) and not just silent TV screen but sound too.
Thanks! Felipe
2 magic numbers 250 and dezoito (18)
I went out with the financial analyst from Banco do Brasil last night, had drinks in the Fasano with her, I wanted to check that place out for future place to hang for non pros, maybe later in the week when I'm alone.
This girl is very nice, I think I'm going to concentrate all my efforts on her, taking her to dinner tonight, I'm going to pursue this one hard, she is pretty, smart, classy, should be fun
After she went home because she has to work at about 11 PM I went to Help, entered about 12:30, place was empty so I did some scouting, had some conversations with a couple of stunners just for education purposes. I asked them what the going rate is? They said 400 reais and the Americans and Europeans are paying it. What a shame.
The place started to fill up by 1:30 2, I spoke to a couple of nice girls and some not so nice, one started dancing with me, it was going good then asks me can you pay me 400 reais, I said no, she walked away, Good.
Then I see a nice little package, dark hair really cute from Fortaleza, we talk, she seems like a good one, I ask how old she is, she is 18, very sexy number, I ask her how much, she says 250, another sexy number. But i hesitate thinking she would be immature. I take another walk around, many good looking girls but I won't pay the 400. I go back to this baby and say lets go.
Back in the apto, she was a little nervous I can see, told me to keep the key in the door, which I usually hide. Then like a kid was jumping up and down on the bed, it was fun. She turned out to be so sweet, body so new and perfect and for an old man like me who has been pretty active past couple of days it was so tight and wet and hot I gave up the first one rather quickly and she talked me through it, it was perfect. I have some pics but will post at a later date. She doesn't usually go to Help but her business phone broke because she is on Hotside name Ingridi so she came to help for some business, my lucky night.
One other thing, I read a post here that a guy said he saw a gdp in Help he knew from 2007 and he was surprised she was still going to Help. Last night I ran into a GDP I knew from 1997, so embarrasing because she comes up to me when I was talking to a young hot chick and this old timer comes and talks to me as if I've been doing her, back in 1997 she was one of the hot ones on the A list of Help but unfortunately not now, but I saw her later working on an old man for business, good for her.