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[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2222374]Yesterday, my first day in Pattaya, I found a gem on Beach Road across from the famous Mr. 99 restaurant. Her name is Ning and apparently she has only been in town for a few weeks.
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[/QUOTE]I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2223231]I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone.[/QUOTE]1474 posts and no reports or reviews? I guess every board needs a troll or two that just complains or tries to tell others what to do and their opinion that they think counts. High five!
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2223231]I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone.[/QUOTE]In defense of Mr. Paw, I have had similar experiences, but I haven't been to Pattaya since 2015.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2223231]I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone.[/QUOTE]The only time I seen a girl that quality on Beach Rd, was around the turn of the century, an eon ago, in front of Royal Garden, not even standing up, sitting down smiling at me, turned out to be some hill tribe beauty from northern border, when everyone was asking 500, she wanted 1000, she knew her value. I took her for long time, 500 extra, that was the good old days. After that lucky encounter, never seen someone even half close to that on Beach Rd in this new century.
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[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2223267]1474 posts and no reports or reviews? I guess every board needs a troll or two that just complains or tries to tell others what to do and their opinion that they think counts. High five![/QUOTE]I admit I don't write that many reports or reviews anymore (it gets boring after some time) but I have written quite a lot in the past, when you were still in dia-pers I think.
But at least I am not making up stuff.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2223339]In defense of Mr. Paw, I have had similar experiences, but I haven't been to Pattaya since 2015.[/QUOTE]Me too, but I can easily count the times I found a pretty girl like that on Beach Road on the fingers of one hand.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2223231]I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone.[/QUOTE]Don't believe everything you read on a forum. Anyone can make up shit in this new internet age. Pattaya old hands will chuckle at this one.
Hmmm I saw a 9 out of 10 3 days ago on BR. At around 21:00 was staring at her phone and I normally don't do BR girls. So by the time I realised it That I should act, I was on my way to the gogo's on walking street.
Last 3 days had a walk on BR in hopes of seeing her again. No luck.
You see sometimes a 7 these last days, but if you walk past them and come back 10 minutes later they are gone.
So if a looker appears I can believe she is snatched up in record time.
But in general yes low level in the looks department.
Penthouse magazine published "stories". It would be preferable for members to have a seperate thread for them instead of perpetuating a pissing contest on the Bangkok thread, where members are trying to help others find women for sex, the main goal of ISG. To each his own, but I find it boring. The poster goes on my ignore list along with those that quote him.
[QUOTE=Amjeck;2223677]Don't believe everything you read on a forum. Anyone can make up shit in this new internet age. Pattaya old hands will chuckle at this one.[/QUOTE]No disrespect to those who have been coming to Thailand since the dawn of ages. But just because something has not been done before does not mean it can never be done by anyone. That is precisely why the phrase YMMV came into being.
MP has a unique way of mongering unlike any other punter posting here. Perhaps BKKDog comes close. You can love him or hate him. But to say that he is making this all up does not really add anything to your own credibility.
Over the past 5 trips which covers 5 years I can say I have seen very good looking girls on Beach Road. They were certainly few and far between, but it does happen. I don't recall The Paw ever claiming beauties were plentiful on Beach Road. But his story of finding a beauty on occasion is very believable to me.
I think he has proven beyond the shadow of a doubt that he gets good looking women whether you like his game or not. But his game works and he shares the pictures to prove it.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2223730]The poster goes on my ignore list along with those that quote him.[/QUOTE]So you also put respected posters that quote him (like for example Banana Boi and Natty Bumpo, just to name a few) on your ignore list? That's rather drastic.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224007]But to say that he is making this all up does not really add anything to your own credibility.[/QUOTE]To me it's pretty clear that he's making this all up. Especially his first story about a pretty girl he 'found' on Beach Road, and all the things she did in bed, is simply too good to be true. In the mean time he has posted a second story that is a little bit more credible but most likely not true either. Obviously he has found these girls somewhere because he has pictures of them, but certainly not on Beach Road.
I think these two stories from a man who's usually only hunting in the top agogo's and looks down on low end scenes like Beach Road are a response to HectorG's report about a very pretty student that he found on Beach Road (#26206 in the Pattaya thread). Apparently he didn't believe HectorG's story and therefore made up some of his own.
Why does it not add to my own credibility if I don't believe clear BS?
[QUOTE=Allover;2224039] But his game works and he shares the pictures to prove it.[/QUOTE]Those pictures don't prove that he found them on Beach Road.
Who knows for sure whether a members posts are fact or fiction? Over time however when adventures like sneaking across borders, finding clubs nobody else knows about or can find, situations with girls that are out of sync with most everybody else's experience it is reasonable to entertain some reservations. That said so what, if it's an annoyance use the ignore button. Personally for creative imagination while I prefer Aesop's fables or tales from the Brothers Grimm some posts can be mildly entertaining.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224069]To me it's pretty clear that he's making this all up. Especially his first story about a pretty girl he 'found' on Beach Road, and all the things she did in bed, is simply too good to be true. In the mean time he has posted a second story that is a little bit more credible but most likely not true either. Obviously he has found these girls somewhere because he has pictures of them, but certainly not on Beach Road.
I think these two stories from a man who's usually only hunting in the top agogo's and looks down on low end scenes like Beach Road are a response to HectorG's report about a very pretty student that he found on Beach Road (#26206 in the Pattaya thread). Apparently he didn't believe HectorG's story and therefore made up some of his own.
Why does it not add to my own credibility if I don't believe clear BS?[/QUOTE]Tailoring his "reports" to compete with or outdo others, even when it includes elements he previously derided or looked down on is one of MP's more obvious hogwash giveaway tells.
Remember when he originally slammed some of us for suggesting getting BBFS or BBBJ+CIM would probably qualify as real sex with his overpriced "top quality" girls and might be the only things worth paying his high payment amounts for when it was obvious from his reports he was getting nothing near that kind of service from them? He said something like we were skanks risking our lives with other skanks to do such things, crap like that and how his "top quality" girls would never do or have to do such things for their high ticket prices. LOL. Next thing you know his "reports" were peppered with descriptions of barebacking this one, cum swallowing from that one, anal, free BJ training of another one at her request and so on! So obvious.
Kind of proud to say I was among the earliest to be put on his Ignore list for merely pointing how how many puzzling tells like that show up in his "reports".
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224069]To me it's pretty clear that he's making this all up. [/QUOTE]Making it all up? No, but many story tellers on ISG and other places embellish their stories, some more than others. The only thing I found incredulous about the story was how accommodating this girl was as most of the WGs here are not swallowers, at least not without a tip.
He lost credibility with me way back when he claimed to find such beauties in front of the little shit hole hotel on Soi 4. Details escape me but having walked past there every day the women who are there are truly the bottom of the barrel. Some perhaps as old as I am. It simply did not happen. I've been mongering Thailand for 26 years, 13 as a sexpat. He does have some pics yes. Did you ever notice how many of them are promo from a website?
MP has offered to trade contact. Why not just trade a contact with MP to prove he is lying? How hard can it be?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224069]To me it's pretty clear that he's making this all up.
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Why does it not add to my own credibility if I don't believe clear BS?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224114]Tailoring his "reports" to compete with or outdo others, even when it includes elements he previously derided or looked down on is one of MP's more obvious hogwash giveaway tells.
Kind of proud to say I was among the earliest to be put on his Ignore list for merely pointing how how many puzzling tells like that show up in his "reports".[/QUOTE]I would say the old timers are simply pissed, even jealous, because someone is actually banging cute Thai chicks who won't cast a second glance at them. I don't particularly subscribe to MP's way of humiliating girls at the bars, but I do know that he is the real deal.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2224075]Who knows for sure whether a members posts are fact or fiction? [/QUOTE]True! Applies to everyone.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224199]I don't particularly subscribe to MP's way of humiliating girls at the bars, but I do know that he is the real deal.
[/QUOTE]Real deal in what way? Do you accompany him in his hotel room to witness that he actually does get what he claims to get by overpaying hookers?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224216]Real deal in what way? Do you accompany him in his hotel room to witness that he actually does get what he claims to get by overpaying hookers?[/QUOTE]Applies to every other poster then. Why single out MP?
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2224157]He lost credibility with me way back when he claimed to find such beauties in front of the little shit hole hotel on Soi 4. Details escape me but having walked past there every day the women who are there are truly the bottom of the barrel. Some perhaps as old as I am. It simply did not happen. I've been mongering Thailand for 26 years, 13 as a sexpat. He does have some pics yes. Did you ever notice how many of them are promo from a website?[/QUOTE]I remember that one. I walk past that restaurant-bar practically every day or night too and I swear I can't think of the name of it now because I have never seen anyone standing or sitting near the door except some of the worst and most obvious ladyboys on Soi 4, burnout drunks and old men.
Yet MP pulled that location out of his, uh, hat as the scene of a fortuitous meeting leading to hot sex with not one but two gorgeous young babes us oldtimers can only dream of bedding down for money but, alas, they won't give us so much as a single glance much less a second one. Darn.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224220]Applies to every other poster then. Why single out MP?[/QUOTE]Only because you said you knew he was the real deal.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2224075]Who knows for sure whether a members posts are fact or fiction? Over time however when adventures like sneaking across borders, finding clubs nobody else knows about or can find, situations with girls that are out of sync with most everybody else's experience it is reasonable to entertain some reservations. That said so what, if it's an annoyance use the ignore button. Personally for creative imagination while I prefer Aesop's fables or tales from the Brothers Grimm some posts can be mildly entertaining.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone BS here? I know I have been, rightly so, for getting a location of a covered bath wrong so why risk being known as a liar by posting website pics and claiming to bang them? As soon as I see a pic from a website or any other SM platform I'm suspicious. I know some girls don't like their pics taken naked and a very low percentage not at all so actual pictorial evidence shouldn't be too hard to provide.
I personally can't see any reason to lie here because I believe it's all about sharing information to help others enjoy their experiences.
Rob.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224226]Only because you said you knew he was the real deal.[/QUOTE]You may have extrapolated my words. That happens when you are consumed by your own thinking, lack empathy, quit listening, and see the world with colored glasses. Very sad.
What I meant by real deal is that he gets the hottest girls to go with him. The ones that will not cast a second glance at the old fogeys, even if they would shower the girls with drinks, tips, etc. And these girls will then throw themselves at him, fight over him and take pride in being selected by him.
Anyone can be questioned about what happens inside the room. I am not getting that far.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2224322]Why would anyone BS here? I know I have been, rightly so, for getting a location of a covered bath wrong so why risk being known as a liar by posting website pics and claiming to bang them? As soon as I see a pic from a website or any other SM platform I'm suspicious. I know some girls don't like their pics taken naked and a very low percentage not at all so actual pictorial evidence shouldn't be too hard to provide.
I personally can't see any reason to lie here because I believe it's all about sharing information to help others enjoy their experiences.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. "Tall tales and true". While to you or me, it makes little sense to try to make up stuff, and maybe a lot more sense just to leave out details than to embellish, you can see that some writers have a very imaginative style, that looks suspicious. Other writers write very deadpan like they have no imagination (I think that is probably me). We can all choose what style of reports we like to read. I don't like really imaginative style or sarcastic fake humour. I do enjoy funny experiences though (rather few of those appear these days). I like Natty's recent report because he includes a lot of data on places visited and a quick assessment. Of course helps that I identified that my taste was very similar to his since a long while back (although I am narrower in my likes). So I will take a look at KC1 that he liked.
If the things someone wrote cannot be verified, including supposed factual data, then you have to remain sceptical.
Plenty of times a newspaper reported on something I attended myself, and I had to ask myself, was the reporter actually present. The view presented seemed grossly distorted. We all see the world through different eyes. "Believe nothing of what you hear, and a only 50% of what you see" is a great moto and it pays to be a pessimist. Be careful with interpretations. I also try to allow for many possibilities. On possibility is a report could be largely true, or could be largely twaddle. Obviously some posters get a history of reliable info. That helps. Possibility that a Thai girl is truthful generally (LOL yes some exist. If scarce). It is quite hard to catch my Thai GF on direct lies, unless she is telling it to someone else on the phone while I am present.
The forum could have some Walter Mittys. LOL However we were not present to see exactly what really happened ourselves.
Seems like MP is not developing a track record for reporting reliable useful info. His photos show some nice looking girls, but for sure I don't know where he got them from. That he is able to post them is suspicious. I can't post face pics of any of my girls. That is not on and would get me (and maybe them) into trouble.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224369]You may have extrapolated my words. That happens when you are consumed by your own thinking, lack empathy, quit listening, and see the world with colored glasses. Very sad.
What I meant by real deal is that he gets the hottest girls to go with him. The ones that will not cast a second glance at the old fogeys, even if they would shower the girls with drinks, tips, etc. And these girls will then throw themselves at him, fight over him and take pride in being selected by him.
Anyone can be questioned about what happens inside the room. I am not getting that far.[/QUOTE]Seriously, Gogo girls would throw themselves to MP, (Come on give me a break).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224372] His photos show some nice looking girls, but for sure I don't know where he got them from. T.[/QUOTE]Most of his photos show one thing in common so they are all supposed to be taken by one person.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2224322]Why would anyone BS here? I know I have been, rightly so, for getting a location of a covered bath wrong so why risk being known as a liar by posting website pics and claiming to bang them? As soon as I see a pic from a website or any other SM platform I'm suspicious. I know some girls don't like their pics taken naked and a very low percentage not at all so actual pictorial evidence shouldn't be too hard to provide.
I personally can't see any reason to lie here because I believe it's all about sharing information to help others enjoy their experiences.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Why would anybody BS? Senseless? Yes. Does it happen, are you kidding, of course it does.
So why? Possibly a pathological disorder, perhaps a Walter Mitty complex or most likely somebody who in reality because of deficiencies in looks, personality and resources lives a ho hum boring existence but dreams of being rich good looking with a game to match and who lives out these fantasies online.
Another possible explanation is the attention totally lacking in their everyday life they get when they post outlandish tales.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224372]His photos show some nice looking girls, but for sure I don't know where he got them from. That he is able to post them is suspicious. I can't post face pics of any of my girls. That is not on and would get me (and maybe them) into trouble.[/QUOTE]Sooner or later it will get MP in trouble as well.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224220]Applies to every other poster then. Why single out MP?[/QUOTE]Because he is clearly provoking, exaggerating, embellishing and making things up. Much more so than others.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224199]I would say the old timers are simply pissed, even jealous, because someone is actually banging cute Thai chicks who won't cast a second glance at them. [/QUOTE]No mate, you don't get it. I'm not jealous at all because I'm banging cute Thai chicks as well and most of the time his girls look too ladyboy'ish for me anyway.
But you're right that I'm pissed. I'm pissed because he's harming the board with his BS and gives newbies and other gullible board members a false impression of P4 P in Thailand.
[QUOTE=WindAngel;2224190]MP has offered to trade contact. Why not just trade a contact with MP to prove he is lying? How hard can it be?[/QUOTE]That would mean that my contact must have sex with him. No thank you very much. I care about my girls.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224423]That would mean that my contact must have sex with him. No thank you very much. I care about my girls.[/QUOTE]My girls. Hahahaha. Listen to yourself man. You think little Lek is sitting quietly at home when you aren't banging her? Lmao.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224412]Because he is clearly provoking, exaggerating, embellishing and making things up. Much more so than others.[/QUOTE]Isn't that your opinion? I mean do you know for sure, backed by evidence, that he is exaggerating? I doubt you do.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224416]No mate, you don't get it. I'm not jealous at all because I'm banging cute Thai chicks as well and most of the time his girls look too ladyboy'ish for me anyway.
But you're right that I'm pissed. I'm pissed because he's harming the board with his BS and gives newbies and other gullible board members a false impression of P4 P in Thailand.[/QUOTE]Grapes are sour. Of course we have heard this all before. No one is making a fool of anyone. People are grown up enough to get boots on the ground and find out for themselves. There will always be the aye sayers and the nay sayers.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224453]My girls. Hahahaha. Listen to yourself man. You think little Lek is sitting quietly at home when you aren't banging her? Lmao.[/QUOTE]You know very well that I didn't mean 'my girlfriend(s)'.
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Isn't that your opinion? I mean do you know for sure, backed by evidence, that he is exaggerating? I doubt you do.[/QUOTE]No, I don't. But do you know for sure, backed by evidence, that he's telling the truth? I doubt you do.
Anyway, for me it is so obvious that he's lying that I don't need proof.
Given that MP usually has the girl take a picture with his teddy bear it seems obvious that he does actually have the girl in his room, and that they are usually not promo shots (although what the girl did for how long and how much is not as indisputable). Why would he make up where he found them? It's not like he is getting bragging rights for where he picks up girls. I am puzzled however as to when he took the pool shot, since I didn't see his mentioning going to the pool in his report. Also, she happened to have a bikini with her while she working? Or does he keep a supply of bikinis for such occasions?
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2224491]Given that MP usually has the girl take a picture with his teddy bear it seems obvious that he does actually have the girl in his room, and that they are usually not promo shots (although what the girl did for how long and how much is not as indisputable). Why would he make up where he found them? It's not like he is getting bragging rights for where he picks up girls. I am puzzled however as to when he took the pool shot, since I didn't see his mentioning going to the pool in his report. Also, she happened to have a bikini with her while she working? Or does he keep a supply of bikinis for such occasions?[/QUOTE]Same thing I thought. If you have been reading his post with some regularity you will see the occasional shot lifted from a website. My major point is you don't have to make shit up that happens in Pattaya because anything my friends and I have wished for happens.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2224491]Given that MP usually has the girl take a picture with his teddy bear it seems obvious that he does actually have the girl in his room, and that they are usually not promo shots (although what the girl did for how long and how much is not as indisputable). Why would he make up where he found them? It's not like he is getting bragging rights for where he picks up girls. I am puzzled however as to when he took the pool shot, since I didn't see his mentioning going to the pool in his report. Also, she happened to have a bikini with her while she working? Or does he keep a supply of bikinis for such occasions?[/QUOTE]Possibly some pics from the girl's social media profile. A lot of the girls post nice pics of themselves on their LINE timeline.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224464]No, I don't. But do you know for sure, backed by evidence, that he's telling the truth? I doubt you do. Anyway, for me it is so obvious that he's lying that I don't need proof.[/QUOTE]I think I said in my previous post that we are not talking about what he does with the girl inside the room. Anyone can be questioned on that. We are only talking about his ability to find hot girls.
You have convinced yourself (judge, jury, executioner) that MP is making it all up. Cannot wake up a man who is pretending to be asleep. I will leave this here.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2224491]Given that MP usually has the girl take a picture with his teddy bear it seems obvious that he does actually have the girl in his room, and that they are usually not promo shots (although what the girl did for how long and how much is not as indisputable). Why would he make up where he found them? It's not like he is getting bragging rights for where he picks up girls. I am puzzled however as to when he took the pool shot, since I didn't see his mentioning going to the pool in his report. Also, she happened to have a bikini with her while she working? Or does he keep a supply of bikinis for such occasions?[/QUOTE]The teddy bear is pulling the babes and giving MP sticky seconds. Women are amazed at a talking teddy and more so when they see the size of his hom yai.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224369]You may have extrapolated my words. That happens when you are consumed by your own thinking, lack empathy, quit listening, and see the world with colored glasses. Very sad.
What I meant by real deal is that he gets the hottest girls to go with him. The ones that will not cast a second glance at the old fogeys, even if they would shower the girls with drinks, tips, etc. And these girls will then throw themselves at him, fight over him and take pride in being selected by him.
Anyone can be questioned about what happens inside the room. I am not getting that far.[/QUOTE]Practically everyone gets follow up questions about details in their posts that don't seem to jibe with easily observable reality. I do too. We get side tracked while composing and skip a pertinent sentence or two. Many of us are using our thumbs to type these out on a mobile phone.
When it happens that we are questioned or challenged, I and most others here just reply with clarification. Because we can.
It would never occur to me to put people on Ignore simply because they had legitimate questions about major lapses in the scenario of a post. Unless I was unable to fill in the missing pieces and afraid of being found out.
BTW, doing so would be another huge tell that the big climactic scenes and point of your tall tales was very likely utter hogwash.
Meanwhile, nobody can find a major lapse in easily observable reality that someone can get very hot hookers to follow him to a hotel room if he spent enough money to make that happen, more often than not with dimishing returns in the bed relative to the money spent. Even us oldtimers did and sometimes still do that.
[QUOTE=JimmyBoy99;2224491]Given that MP usually has the girl take a picture with his teddy bear it seems obvious that he does actually have the girl in his room, and that they are usually not promo shots (although what the girl did for how long and how much is not as indisputable). Why would he make up where he found them? It's not like he is getting bragging rights for where he picks up girls. [/QUOTE]Oh, I think in the tale about the two gorgeous babes lingering in front of that tavern he just plucked a location on Soi 4 out of the air that he assumed most of us had passed at some point. Not knowing that spot is so small, confined and virtually without exception a station for 1 or 2 ladyboys with the occasional burnout sitting in a chair. But it gave a specificity to his tale without introducing the kind of complications and followup questions that would have been triggered if he'd said he spotted them standing, say, in front of the Nana Hotel parking lot.
How come when I was in Thailand I never once saw such girls as MP posted with foreigners?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224416]No mate, you don't get it. I'm not jealous at all because I'm banging cute Thai chicks as well and most of the time his girls look too ladyboy'ish for me anyway.
[/QUOTE]I thought the same thing about some of MP's pics I saw. But it's a funny thing about pics. Especially with regard to Thai girls. The camera is not as truthful with them as with others for some reason.
Many of the most desirable Thai girls I know, the ones who turn heads when they walk with me, take uninspiring pics. While some of the hottest pics I've seen turned out to be of girls I would work hard to ignore if they tried to chat me up on the bts train. LOL.
Sometimes it is close though. My current regular non P4P girlfriend, taller than most, slim but curvy, all natural, 21 years old, no baby, no tats, no piercings, comes across as a 9 in some pics. Model quality. In real life I would give her a solid 8, particularly when she is wearing super short pants and lets her long hair down. Naked, she moves up to an 8.5 imo. A real world 8.5, that is, not a go-go bargirl or P4P girl 8.5.
Got to handed to MonkeyPaw, he has managed to get +40 posts, mostly from senior members, just talking about him. He must be LMAO, not to mention that he has played this just the same way, he describes his game with girls in those places. Soon he will have his own thread: MonkeyPaw's Diary. I do enjoy reading his posts, most of them well written, mixing facts, intel with specific details and a good dose of creative license, making the posts very entertaining to read.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224536]I think I said in my previous post that we are not talking about what he does with the girl inside the room. Anyone can be questioned on that. We are only talking about his ability to find hot girls.[/QUOTE]Absolutely correct. The only viable way to prove such a thing is to make a video and either interview the girl, ask her age, details and how much you are being paid for to do what. Then the lucky monger can write his screen name on the girls belly with lipstick, and do the deed while he is holding the camera. However, if I have to go that far to provide proof, I'll just make porn videos with prostitutes for the internet and run a pay site like Epic Cumshot Guy or Cony's Girls and I wouldn't be bothering to post anything here. Because we aren't able to post videos on this board.
Probably a more feasible thing to do is post your passport stamps against a piece of paper with your screen name on it. Then post it along with your FR. These should correspond with the dates on of your trip report. I've done this for the last two trips I've made this year and will do it going forward. It doesn't prove I did any of the mongering I claim to do, and for all anyone knows I just sat in my hotel room wanking off the entire time I was in Bogota weekend before last. However, it does prove where I was during a certain period of time. If everyone who posted here was compelled to do that, in order to retain posting privileges, there would be few people posting on ISG. AFAIK, nobody else has bothered to do this.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224669]I thought the same thing about some of MP's pics I saw. But it's a funny thing about pics. Especially with regard to Thai girls. The camera is not as truthful with them as with others for some reason.
Many of the most desirable Thai girls I know, the ones who turn heads when they walk with me, take uninspiring pics. While some of the hottest pics I've seen turned out to be of girls I would work hard to ignore if they tried to chat me up on the bts train. LOL.
Sometimes it is close though. My current regular non P4P girlfriend, taller than most, slim but curvy, all natural, 21 years old, no baby, no tats, no piercings, comes across as a 9 in some pics. Model quality. In real life I would give her a solid 8, particularly when she is wearing super short pants and lets her long hair down. Naked, she moves up to an 8.5 imo. A real world 8.5, that is, not a go-go bargirl or P4P girl 8.5.[/QUOTE]Time for someone to look into a mirror I guess.
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Sometimes it is close though. My current regular non P4P girlfriend, taller than most, slim but curvy, all natural, 21 years old, no baby, no tats, no piercings, comes across as a 9 in some pics. Model quality. In real life I would give her a solid 8, particularly when she is wearing super short pants and lets her long hair down. Naked, she moves up to an 8.5 imo. A real world 8.5, that is, not a go-go bargirl or P4P girl 8.5.[/QUOTE]Your "current". Sounds like you go through a lot of GFs, so how long do they last, do they know they will be replaced before too long, and what are they looking for with you? Sex or something else. You are still mongering, so can we assume you don't really get enough sex out of GFs? That was the case with me, although my GF (of 13 years) has been providing better these days, so my mongering as dropped off and I am down to just a very few regulars, used sparsely. I did try two new girls this last week which was purely due to my regular P4 P girls list getting so low, however I do go for weeks at time with GF and no mongering now.
Are you happy with risk of catching something, e. G. Chlamydia (very easy to catch and not always noticed), and transferring that to the GF? I put up with using thin Jap condoms when mongering, because I don't want to risk it. I don't even know what percentage of the girls would be willing to do BBFS.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224710]Your "current". Sounds like you go through a lot of GFs, so how long do they last, do they know they will be replaced before too long, and what are they looking for with you? Sex or something else. You are still mongering, so can we assume you don't really get enough sex out of GFs? That was the case with me, although my GF (of 13 years) has been providing better these days, so my mongering as dropped off and I am down to just a very few regulars, used sparsely. I did try two new girls this last week which was purely due to my regular P4 P girls list getting so low, however I do go for weeks at time with GF and no mongering now.
Are you happy with risk of catching something, e. G. Chlamydia (very easy to catch and not always noticed), and transferring that to the GF? I put up with using thin Jap condoms when mongering, because I don't want to risk it. I don't even know what percentage of the girls would be willing to do BBFS.[/QUOTE]I have been seeing this one for more than a year. But not exclusively. I was faithful/exclusive with my wives when we lived under the same roof. But I have rarely been exclusive with gfs. The one I mentioned here is the one I spend the most time with, the go-to one for anything special like a trip out of town, holiday times and events.
Big move; I've given her a drawer in my closet. LOL. Spilling over a little now. She stays overnight 2-3 nights per week, typically on her "Friday" before a free day from her job, which is almost never actually Friday, and the next day and night before she returns to work the morning after that. This is one of those rare times when she is off work for the weekend and is with me now. Taking a shower right now.
But a couple of other non P4P girls might say they are my GF these days.
They drop off the roster when they become too boring. If sexually boring, that usually means when one of my three basic sexual requirements are not met as often as I like; keeping it shaved, BBFS and BBBJ+CIM+Swallow. As I alluded to in another thread, the surprising thing to me is the shaving requirement is the one most likely to go off the schedule and get them dropped. Weird. One would think it would be the BBBJ+CIM+Swallow. But no.
And I really don't like to remind girls to keep up the shaving. A couple of past drop offs might contact me weeks later and ask why I hadn't met with them lately. Usually the "oh I've just been busy" thing works. But when it doesn't I finally tell them it was because I never knew how much hair I would have to fight through when the panties came down. Oh well.
Maybe I would be diagnosed as a sex addict because having regular gfs does not stop me from shopping and partaking of go-go girls and FLs around town or online. Doesn't stop me from searching for new potential regular gfs either.
As far as catching something goes, I don't know what to say except I have been barebacking with girls from around the globe for over 45 years and never gotten sick from sex except a dose of trichomoniasis I got from a university GF back when I was 19. Took some tablets for 3-5 days and it was gone. I've had a vasectomy and I get checked for HIV and syphilis every 1-2 months not because I am concerned about getting it but because I like to have the results document on hand.
Last week I got a comprehensive physician's exam including tons of blood work and checking for STDs for 25,000 baht at Bumrungrad Hospital and every test result was normal except for a slightly higher than ideal bad cholesterol level that was somewhat offset by a good cholesterol level. The doc said I might want to reduce my intake of red meat. Ok.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224721]As I alluded to in another thread, the surprising thing to me is the shaving requirement is the one most likely to go off the schedule and get them dropped. Weird. One would think it would be the BBBJ+CIM+Swallow. But no.
And I really don't like to remind girls to keep up the shaving. A couple of past drop offs might contact me weeks later and ask why I hadn't met with them lately. Usually the "oh I've just been busy" thing works. But when it doesn't I finally tell them it was because I never knew how much hair I would have to fight through when the panties came down. Oh well.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert or a hair scientist but I may have an explanation. There was a time when I shaved my pubic hair. No, not gay. I was body builder and we had to go hairless for competitions and photo shoots. It's not like shaving my face at all. The skin in the nether regions is sensitive and extremely prone to irritation and ingrown hair. After the first shave it feels really good but in one or two days, the area would feel extremely itchy and many times, pimples would form because of an ingrown hair. In order to prevent this, I had to apply lotion and a special cream constantly. In time I learned special techniques to help such as prepping the skin with exfoliating washes, steam and hot towels. Shaving my face takes less than 5 minutes. Shaving my crotch and thighs took half an hour. Repeated shaving only made it worse as the hair became thick and increasingly irritating and prone to ingrown hair. The only relief I had was when I didn't have a photo shoot or a competition and I could let the stubble grow out a bit.
This is why many girls often let it grow out as well. It feels good to not have an itchy, pimply crotch. Having hair feels good and I do not want to go back to the days of having to shave at all. Yes, I did try waxing but it is not cheap when added up. Also, you cannot wax too often. To keep it bare smooth constantly I could not wax. The wax needs a fair amount of hair to grab on to so I would need to let it grow out a bit in order to get a good waxing done. This also means that when waxing short stubbly hair, the waxing lady needs to rip that ***** with added strength and it hurt like a mother fucker.
I used to like a well-shaved pussy but now that I know what it takes to keep the crotch area looking porn star smooth, I let my gfs grow it out and just keep it trimmed.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224536]
You have convinced yourself (judge, jury, executioner) that MP is making it all up.[/QUOTE]Aren't you doing the same thing? You have convinced yourself (judge, jury, executioner) that MP is NOT making it all up.
Same process, just another outcome.
[QUOTE=ArthurBishop;2224673]Got to handed to MonkeyPaw, he has managed to get +40 posts, mostly from senior members, just talking about him. [/QUOTE]Yes, that's the downside of this thread: he already gets too much attention in the 'normal' threads and now he's getting even more attention.
It surprises me that he hasn't responded yet in this thread.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224759]Yes, that's the downside of this thread: he already gets too much attention in the 'normal' threads and now he's getting even more attention.
It surprises me that he hasn't responded yet in this thread.[/QUOTE]He's living the dream, so much attention and here's another to add to his diary.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224757]Aren't you doing the same thing? You have convinced yourself (judge, jury, executioner) that MP is NOT making it all up.
Same process, just another outcome.[/QUOTE]Do we have a hung jury? LOL or perhaps the jury has not reached a verdict. Personally I don't give a shit one way or the other because not reliant on information posted. I always allow for posts that might not be 100% true, and the more flamboyant or stylish the writer, the more suspicious I am. Once someone has posted a lot of varied, verifiable and reasonable stuff, they earn credibility. Never can be 100% sure.
I love a shaved pussy, not just a bristly three four day old shaving job but when it's as smooth as silk and as bald as a coot. BBFS is something else and while I have no issues with anybody who wants to indulge I feel it's irresponsible to engage in it with sex workers who do it either out of ignorance of the risks involved and yes there are risks or financial necessity. As to CIM and swallow I like a good BJ and if my dick is in her mouth when I pop all the better. I get it, to each their own whatever turns you on but I'm at a lost as to why somebody needs the girl to swallow.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224007] But to say that he is making this all up does not really add anything to your own credibility.[/QUOTE]I never made that claim. Read it again!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224772]Do we have a hung jury?.[/QUOTE]Lotsa guys here claim to be hung. I don't.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2224759]Yes, that's the downside of this thread: he already gets too much attention in the 'normal' threads and now he's getting even more attention.
It surprises me that he hasn't responded yet in this thread.[/QUOTE]I will be surprised if he responds or engages, he already got the game started, some people challenging his claims and some people defending him, just the same thing he does in bars with girls, as per his posts. He is probably sitting on his couch showing all these posts to a WG and telling her that MonkeyPaw is not only famous with the girls at the bar, but he is also famous with the guys too. The girl will go back to the bar and tell all the other girls just that, while he keeps building his notoriety or reputation. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2224772]Do we have a hung jury? LOL or perhaps the jury has not reached a verdict. Personally I don't give a shit one way or the other because not reliant on information posted. I always allow for posts that might not be 100% true, and the more flamboyant or stylish the writer, the more suspicious I am. Once someone has posted a lot of varied, verifiable and reasonable stuff, they earn credibility. Never can be 100% sure.[/QUOTE]Get a camera crew to follow him around. We all can learn from a source of power and game.
The photos of various girls in a room with teddy bears and eating what appears to be home cooked meals is proof enough for me. He is a young, wealthy, Asian guy so why is it hard to believe he gets the top go go girls? While there may be some embellishment and some of his methods disagreeable, I find it obvious The Paw isn't just a talker / dreamer. Several members here, both new and old (and respected), have met him in person. He has reached out to first timers and spent time with them which is a good thing. I find his posts helpful, interesting, and above all entertaining. Not many individual posters get a thread dedicated to them so The Paw obviously interests others as well. Don't get too worked up about anything you read in this forum.
[QUOTE=Allover;2224939]The photos of various girls in a room with teddy bears and eating what appears to be home cooked meals is proof enough for me. He is a young, wealthy, Asian guy so why is it hard to believe he gets the top go go girls? While there may be some embellishment and some of his methods disagreeable, I find it obvious The Paw isn't just a talker / dreamer. Several members here, both new and old (and respected), have met him in person. He has reached out to first timers and spent time with them which is a good thing. I find his posts helpful, interesting, and above all entertaining. Not many individual posters get a thread dedicated to them so The Paw obviously interests others as well. Don't get too worked up about anything you read in this forum.[/QUOTE]That is the way I see it. He is not someone who is hiding behind keyboard. He tells you where he is and even how to recognize him. He contributes more detail reports in recent months than any other members. The go go girls in his reports can be tracked down easily, yet I don't see anybody calls him out on those.
He maybe bragging but he also readily admits he gets about 50% GFE. I won't call that bragging.
I have met girls in his reviews and in reviews from the other side. From my experience, he is more accurate on what to expect on look and service. I say this not because I have a great time with the girls on either side.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2223267]1474 posts and no reports or reviews? I guess every board needs a troll or two that just complains or tries to tell others what to do and their opinion that they think counts. High five![/QUOTE]This thread was started for you. Go for it.
[QUOTE=WindAngel;2224947]That is the way I see it. He is not someone who is hiding behind keyboard. He tells you where he is and even how to recognize him. He contributes more detail reports in recent months than any other members. The go go girls in his reports can be tracked down easily, yet I don't see anybody calls him out on those.
He maybe bragging but he also readily admits he gets about 50% GFE. I won't call that bragging.
I have met girls in his reviews and in reviews from the other side. From my experience, he is more accurate on what to expect on look and service. I say this not because I have a great time with the girls on either side.[/QUOTE]Is the jury swinging?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2225042]Is the jury swinging?[/QUOTE]MP should have his own page LOL.
[QUOTE=Midwestern;2224875]You definitely have HPV. It is not detectable in men unless you get symptoms, and most men don't. But when you pass it to a woman, they can die from cervical cancer. Guess you are either ignorant or you don't give a shit. But really. You 99.99 percent have HPV.[/QUOTE]I have been both tested (negative) and vaccinated for HPV. Nice try though.
[QUOTE=ShimShimHeyo;2224753]
I used to like a well-shaved pussy but now that I know what it takes to keep the crotch area looking porn star smooth, I let my gfs grow it out and just keep it trimmed.[/QUOTE]I am fine with closely trimmed, too. But I start by telling the girls I prefer shaved and see where it goes from there. If they are already keeping themselves shaved smooth, great. If they try it and have the kind of problem you mentioned, I am fine with them keeping it closely trimmed. But once the hairs start to criss cross over the pussy lips, I'm out. Or, rather, they're out until they get it back under control. It's mostly a negotiation move; ask for 10, accept 8. Reluctantly.
Girls have asked me how short is short enough if they cannot keep up the shaving as though there is some set measurement they can go by. Like, get out your tape measure or something. I tell them if I need to use my fingers to push the hair aside in order to get my lips and tongue in there to eat their pussy or prevent it from tickling my nose, it is TOO LONG. LOL.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2224892]I love a shaved pussy, not just a bristly three four day old shaving job but when it's as smooth as silk and as bald as a coot. BBFS is something else and while I have no issues with anybody who wants to indulge I feel it's irresponsible to engage in it with sex workers who do it either out of ignorance of the risks involved and yes there are risks or financial necessity. As to CIM and swallow I like a good BJ and if my dick is in her mouth when I pop all the better. I get it, to each their own whatever turns you on but I'm at a lost as to why somebody needs the girl to swallow.[/QUOTE]I have not been able to pop wearing a condom since I first used one back in my early 20's. I have tried dozens of them since then. Now I am 65. Ain't going to happen no matter how many different miracle condoms are invented and I know it. So for me it is either go bareback or stop engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse with a finish. That ain't going to happen either.
My methods for being as safe as possible and my strong recommendation to anyone else engaging in routine barebacking is to be circumcised, get a vasectomy, make sure everything is well lubricated naturally or chemically, mostly go slow and gentle, as much as possible avoid prolonged "rough" play that might create abrasions such as 30 minute long aggressive cowgirl action from your lady, when you finish get up within a few minutes to wash with soapy water and take a leak, get yourself tested for biggies every 1-2 months, try to choose well in terms of anything obviously or visually alarming about your girl's vagina.
Are those fail-safe methods? Nothing is. But I can tell you that virtually every man I know who claims or tries to use a condom every time has at least 1 unplanned child and can relate stories about getting a dose of something nasty multiple times where none of those things have happened to me in over 45 years of barebacking with by now thousands of different women from all around the world.
As far as a blowjob finishing with a swallow instead of a spit goes, I don't understand why anyone would want the girl to spit instead of swallowing. So, if given the choice, I prefer the girl to swallow. The feeling isn't enhanced at the end of a blowjob if the girl swallows instead of spits (unless she stops too soon in order to spit, of course, then it really matters) because there are no nerve endings in the cum itself to transmit pleasure signals to your brain at that moment. Yeah, I get that. Where the pleasure is enhanced is all during the blowjob, when you know the girl will swallow and is in fact trying to get you to cum into her mouth so she can swallow it. That raises the pleasure level of the blowjob considerably, imo, and it does that for many more minutes of the experience, from start to finish actually, than for just the second or two it takes for her to swallow at the end.
Consequently, for this purpose it must be understood from either an agreement beforehand or past experience with the girl that she will swallow and not spit. Swallowing at the end without her making sure you were aware that she would swallow at the end is kind of a wasted opportunity. Maybe it's a nice surprise, but hardly enhances anything in terms of pleasure for the reasons I just stated. It essentially misses and denies the whole point of swallowing at the end instead of spitting.
If you don't think whether your partner swallows or spits at the end of an act of oral sex matters, start spitting out your lady's wetness at the end of a DATY session and see how she feels about it. My guess is she isn't going to feel neutral about it since, hey, she came already so what's the difference whether you spit or swallow, right?
[QUOTE=ArthurBishop;2224929]I will be surprised if he responds or engages, he already got the game started, some people challenging his claims and some people defending him, just the same thing he does in bars with girls, as per his posts. He is probably sitting on his couch showing all these posts to a WG and telling her that MonkeyPaw is not only famous with the girls at the bar, but he is also famous with the guys too. The girl will go back to the bar and tell all the other girls just that, while he keeps building his notoriety or reputation. LOL.[/QUOTE]Do you suppose they'll be particularly impressed when they see the words "Stupid Shit" in the Subject Line of this thread he might proudly claim is devoted to him? LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225071]Do you suppose they'll be particularly impressed when they see the words "Stupid Shit" in the Subject Line of this thread he might proudly claim is devoted to him? LOL.[/QUOTE]Is that a rhetorical question? You are one of the most qualified to answer it, considering that you have written about 20% of the posts in this thread so far. LOL.
[QUOTE=WindAngel;2224947]That is the way I see it. He is not someone who is hiding behind keyboard. He tells you where he is and even how to recognize him. He contributes more detail reports in recent months than any other members. The go go girls in his reports can be tracked down easily, yet I don't see anybody calls him out on those.
He maybe bragging but he also readily admits he gets about 50% GFE. I won't call that bragging.
I have met girls in his reviews and in reviews from the other side. From my experience, he is more accurate on what to expect on look and service. I say this not because I have a great time with the girls on either side.[/QUOTE]Anyone who goes to gogo bars often enough will know who MP is. I figured out who MP was before I officially met him. I had to watch his behavior from afar before I decided he was ok to meet! MP has an open invitation for anyone who wants to meet him. He doesn't hide behind a keyboard. He's even posted very distinguishable photos of himself on this site. As Wind says he tells you exactly which bars to go to if you want to find him. He also specifies what type of drink he drinks.
Like Blancquiceleste, I will vouch he is the real deal. I don't agree with all the crazy shit he does in the bars but I can see the girls actually enjoy when he does it as it break their monotony of the vanilla customer. Poor #174 who can not be barfined at Palace really takes the brunt of his abuse but she seems to love him. If he was really being offensive to a girl to the point it was p1ssing her off I'd be the first to tell him.
I know of or have seen many of the gogo girls he has barfined. We don't really have the same taste but I can safely say there are no dogs in the group. In fact, most of the girls look better in person than the photos he posts. I have met that bear in his photos. It needs a bath!
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225100]Anyone who goes to gogo bars often enough will know who MP is. I figured out who MP was before I officially met him. I had to watch his behavior from afar before I decided he was ok to meet! MP has an open invitation for anyone who wants to meet him. He doesn't hide behind a keyboard. He's even posted very distinguishable photos of himself on this site. As Wind says he tells you exactly which bars to go to if you want to find him. He also specifies what type of drink he drinks.
Like Blancquiceleste, I will vouch he is the real deal. I don't agree with all the crazy shit he does in the bars but I can see the girls actually enjoy when he does it as it break their monotony of the vanilla customer. If he was really being offensive to a girl to the point it was p1 ssing her off I'd be the first to tell him.
I know of or have seen many of the gogo girls he has barfined. We don't really have the same taste but I can safely say there are no dogs in the group. In fact, most of the girls look better in person than the photos he posts. I have met that bear in his photos. It needs a bath![/QUOTE]I don't think anyone has been doubting or questioning the kinds of things you mention here or denying that he is a real person who goes into go-go bars, buys lady drinks, interacts with and barfines decent looking girls.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225063]I have not been able to pop wearing a condom since I first used one back in my early 20's. I have tried dozens of them since then. Now I am 65. Ain't going to happen no matter how many different miracle condoms are invented and I know it. So for me it is either go bareback or stop engaging in penile-vaginal intercourse with a finish. That ain't going to happen either.
Consequently, for this purpose it must be understood from either an agreement beforehand or past experience with the girl that she will swallow and not spit. Swallowing at the end without her making sure you were aware that she would swallow at the end is kind of a wasted opportunity. Maybe it's a nice surprise, but hardly enhances anything in terms of pleasure for the reasons I just stated. It essentially misses and denies the whole point of swallowing at the end instead of spitting.
If you don't think whether your partner swallows or spits at the end of an act of oral sex matters, start spitting out your lady's wetness at the end of a DATY session and see how she feels about it. My guess is she isn't going to feel neutral about it since, hey, she came already so what's the difference whether you spit or swallow, right?[/QUOTE]Well-argued ET. We can all agree au natural is more enjoyable and if covered means no pop then as you say it's either abstinence or BB. The degree we can argue about but the reality is that unprotected sex carries with it a higher risk of STIs. You obviously take precautions through regular testing to ensure you are healthy, so far so good and long may it continue. My point was that the minority of working girls who engage in unprotected sex would not do so if they were well educated in the associated dangers or overlooked these dangers for financial considerations.
As to swallowing. To be honest knowing the girl will is not a turn on but that's just me. Yes if after CIM she contorts her face in disgust, holds her hand over her mouth, rushes to the sink to spit out the offending liquid and loudly gargles mouthfuls of Listerine till the bottle is empty then shit for sure that won't make me feel good. My own experiences have been a discreet discharge while I'm peacefully reclining enjoying the afterglow even sometimes playfully opening her mouth to show what she has just managed to suck from my body. But hey no issues ET whatever turns you on.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2224721]
Maybe I would be diagnosed as a sex addict because having regular gfs does not stop me from shopping and partaking of go-go girls and FLs around town or online. Doesn't stop me from searching for new potential regular gfs either.
[/QUOTE]Yeh yeh we are all sex addicts, no big deal. LOL I can't quite eliminate my desires for young beautiful pussy. I can't even quit bar girls, when I know is not best value for money. I have cut down, so some minor level of control. I still enjoyed looking at some nice naked girls the other day, because pussies were shaved, bodies natural and good, nice tits. Have not seen that for awhile. Perhaps I am not a full addict as have gone for several weeks with no fuck on occasion (not in Thailand).
I don't have a desire to accumulate extra GFs. Too difficult to manage. LOL Just 1 is more than enough on the non-sexual level and less than enough on the sexual level. That is the problem.
You don't really comment on what the girls are looking for. Surely you have worked that out? Perhaps you are being too modest. It is conceivable that girls are looking for a good fuck in some cases. My regular Gik told me exactly what reasons I qualify, so not completely unlucky. LOL I hesitate to write it here though. I can at least write she likes to get help with her rent money. That part is obvious. Also seems to like DATY but not all guys do that to a suitable standard. So my Gik is horny enough and needs a fuck from whoever are the best options at the time, when her official main BF is not around.
You seem to have been very lucky with STDs. I have caught Chlamydia twice over a 25 year period, and I am in the category I don't do bareback normally with miscellaneous girls, so I assure you that while HIV maybe very difficult to acquire, some others are not. You have to asses the likelihood with each girl. Girls willing to do BB with anyone are more risky, and obviously girls with a drug problem etc. Are more risky. Girls with Thai pimp probably more risky too. The good thing is the easily caught diseases are easily curable.
I once had some other unknown urinary tract infection, and was tested, but never found out what it was or if could have been sexually transmitted. One buddy hooked up with low class girls in Bangkok and caught the Gonnor. In his first week here.
I had long term test for Herpes types HSV 1 & 2 (I think called IgG test), since never having any actual symptoms (but heard possible to have no symptoms). One test was positive and another was negative. False positives and negatives are quite possible, so in the end I am still none the wiser. Might get yet another test to see if positives or negatives dominate, or maybe I just don't care any more.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2225100]Anyone who goes to gogo bars often enough will know who MP is. I figured out who MP was before I officially met him. I had to watch his behavior from afar before I decided he was ok to meet!
Like Blancquiceleste, I will vouch he is the real deal. [/QUOTE]Thanks for clearing that up. Hopefully the nay sayers will go away. We must remind them that we can't decide what the other guy experienced when we were not actually present. LOL While the beach road may have a lot of shitty girls, a fluke is always possible.
When guys write that such things are impossible, it makes them look just a little bit jealous, or feeling too superior. It must be impossible for MP to get better than me, right?
Even if guys are sceptical about some report (in general), I always say "who cares"? The forum is just a collection of stories, true or distorted, with hopefully a smattering of useful facts thrown in. I have never been 100% sure that a guy writes bullshit, even if he is new and apparently fishing for publicity for a specific venue. Clearly MP was never in that category. So allow for the possibilities.
One guy wrote he had a 9 inch dick. It is possible if he is the one in 10000. Makes him disadvantaged as will get a lot of refusals and probably never gets full penetration. I don't care if it is true or not. It can be possible. There have to be some freaks around, and no he did not grow it using pills. LOL
Refute incorrect facts, post your own experiences, but don't try to know the other guy's experience too much. Guys that are always posting negative stuff should try to enjoy life more.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225141]You don't really comment on what the girls are looking for. Surely you have worked that out? Perhaps you are being too modest. It is conceivable that girls are looking for a good fuck in some cases. My regular Gik told me exactly what reasons I qualify, so not completely unlucky. LOL I hesitate to write it here though. I can at least write she likes to get help with her rent money. That part is obvious. Also seems to like DATY but not all guys do that to a suitable standard. So my Gik is horny enough and needs a fuck from whoever are the best options at the time, when her official main BF is not around.[/QUOTE]You're right, I did not get a chance to address that question in the previous exchange. When it comes to the non P4P girls I meet around town or online, they are no doubt looking to trade some sexual favors and intimacy for a hoped for long term relationship, ideally leading to marriage or similar support commitment. Pretty much the same as women the world over from the beginning of the time. Sure, I'd like to think they are also very happy to cum in ways they perhaps hadn't or as well or as often as with other guys. But I have no way of knowing for sure if they really mean that. I just do the best I can for them in that way. And I don't think it would change the arrangement and goal from their point of view all that much if they weren't getting that with me.
For girls like that I feel I am giving them the chance to prove there is a reason I would give up the freedom and variety I have now for what they offer. You know those three basic sexual requirements I've mentioned a few times already? Turns out I have not been so convinced by a girl who provides all three with such satisfying and impressive determination and purpose that I am compelled to stay faithful to them for longer than a few days before I am searching for another candidate who might be a better match for me. LOL. But that doesn't mean it is an impossible mission for them to try. As far as practical matters go, I naturally take care of any and all expenses necessary for them to comfortably travel to and from my room to be with me, all expenses while we are together and other pocket money as needed. Nothing like the direct P4P girls to whom I would give 2,000-3,000 for all night. We're talking 200-300 baht kind of pocket money if they don't wave it off without even seeing how much it is. Maybe a minor shopping "spree" that sets me back 1,000-2,000 baht every few weeks.
In the case of the main GF I mentioned in this particular exchange, she has her own decent job and does not need me to support her financially. However, I offer her pocket money, say between 100-300 baht to cover costs of motorcycle taxi travel to and from me every week or so. Most of the time she pushes back those offers with a scowl. Not out of the question that she is trying to make me feel she isn't with me for the money, any amount of money, true or not. She has elbowed her way in to pick up the tab for a couple of things for both of us that cost a couple hundred baht. However, there was that 30,000 baht smart phone I bought her for her birthday! She'd been pining over that one and it was obvious she would not say no to that gift. If she lost her job and needed some monthly support until she got another job, I'd happily do it in her case. She has more than earned it.
[QUOTE]I once had some other unknown urinary tract infection, and was tested, but never found out what it was or if could have been sexually transmitted. One buddy hooked up with low class girls in Bangkok and caught the Gonnor. In his first week here.[/QUOTE]A few years ago I had what the doctor only identified as Non-Specific Urethritis. He prescribed a two-day, four tablet antibiotic regime and it was gone. My dick was sore and there was slight pain on taking a leak (avoiding the coded words here) so I went to a clinic ASAP. Like you, he could not or would not relate it to sex except that I had the night before experienced one of those "rough", overly aggressive cowgirl riding ladies who did not want to stop her aggressive riding until she'd broken her previous orgasm record or something. I knew there was damage being done to my willy around the 15 minute mark but didn't have the heart to say honey we're done. Went on for another 10 minutes at least.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225143]When guys write that such things are impossible, it makes them look just a little bit jealous, or feeling too superior. It must be impossible for MP to get better than me, right?[/QUOTE]Most guys who write reports aren't doing it to share information. In fact, most guys just don't share info and keep the good looking girls for themselves, as a secret. The guys who write reports (this is a free website, you get what you pay for) tend to be self-absorbed narcissists, myself included. They are addicted to external validation from both the girls and the boys. They need to be seen as important because they are unable to view themselves internally as such. Oh and these manipulative gold digging hoes can spot a narcissist a mile away, even if the said hoe is self-absorbed herself. Just having sex isn't enough for some members, they need the hooker to "like" them as well or use "game" without understand that said hooker is just stringing them along to massage their ego (for a fee).
So these p4 p workers are used to dealing with various "kinds" of guys and will put a guy into one such category within seconds of meeting. The 2 biggest I can think of are: guy who needs just sex and guy who needs validation. They have so much experience dealing with so many different guys, it becomes obvious to them which is which and how to proceed with a script. They know how to distance emotional / aggressive types and set up boundaries, string emotionally weak guys on with validation (pretending to like them, going into GFE mode which is fake mostly but the guy thinks it's real), and give guys who just want sex just sex and little talking. They aren't stupid, at least not socially or at that aspect of their job.
I think with reading reports, it's having to deal with people. You have to know the types and know what's going on technically. Know what type of person some is to get an idea and overall gist of what they're saying. Because, people rarely ever speak the truth, even to themselves. All these reports are lies and you have to read in-between the lines and make your own informed (Hopefully) observations to pry information out. Honestly, people just don't like being honest. And I'd reckon to say most all of us, all human beings, have difficulty with grey areas, white-lies, misinformation. People are so accustomed to needing black or white facts.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225183]Most guys who write reports aren't doing it to share information. In fact, most guys just don't share info and keep the good looking girls for themselves, as a secret. The guys who write reports (this is a free website, you get what you pay for) tend to be self-absorbed narcissists, myself included. They are addicted to external validation from both the girls and the boys. They need to be seen as important because they are unable to view themselves internally as such. Oh and these manipulative gold digging hoes can spot a narcissist a mile away, even if the said hoe is self-absorbed herself. Just having sex isn't enough for some members, they need the hooker to "like" them as well or use "game" without understand that said hooker is just stringing them along to massage their ego (for a fee).
So these p4 p workers are used to dealing with various "kinds" of guys and will put a guy into one such category within seconds of meeting. The 2 biggest I can think of are: guy who needs just sex and guy who needs validation. They have so much experience dealing with so many different guys, it becomes obvious to them which is which and how to proceed with a script. They know how to distance emotional / aggressive types and set up boundaries, string emotionally weak guys on with validation (pretending to like them, going into GFE mode which is fake mostly but the guy thinks it's real), and give guys who just want sex just sex and little talking. They aren't stupid, at least not socially or at that aspect of their job.
I think with reading reports, it's having to deal with people. You have to know the types and know what's going on technically. Know what type of person some is to get an idea and overall gist of what they're saying. Because, people rarely ever speak the truth, even to themselves. All these reports are lies and you have to read in-between the lines and make your own informed (Hopefully) observations to pry information out. Honestly, people just don't like being honest. And I'd reckon to say most all of us, all human beings, have difficulty with grey areas, white-lies, misinformation. People are so accustomed to needing black or white facts.[/QUOTE]Interesting post. I agree with much of it. I am one of those members here who does not write many detailed reports about what happened in the bed or alone in the room with this specific girl or that one. But I won't proudly declare that is because I am NOT a "self-absorbed narcissist" or have those tendencies as much as others. For my side of it, I can only say I don't write those kinds of detailed reports because I honestly can't remember exactly when I put which appendage into which orifice, whose legs went this way or that, at what moment I flipped her over and stuff like that. I'm pretty much in the moment when those things are happening and not thinking about how this will look in print.
I am amazed guys remember exact names and badge numbers of girls in the first bar they entered 6 hours before they finally chose another girl in another bar, not to mention the names and badge numbers of girls they bought lady drinks for a week earlier or banged a month earlier! Then again, as you say, maybe some of that "flipped her over" stuff is more literary drama than actual reportage.
I tend to agree with Parkville as well if I didn't misunderstand the gist of his post. I am also one who does not write specifics of what I did with a girl. I try to keep my comments factual and let guys know what bar / area is hot and what is not. There are some posters on here who just post about their successes and imo it comes across as bragging. Oddly these guys never have poor experiences either. It's not difficult to figure out who these guys are. Sometimes I touch a nerve of some members like I did in the Jakarta thread when I said Malioboro had many 40 year old ladies or something like that and the member accused me that I have never set foot in Malioboro.
Yes, I keep some places I go to very close to the vest and do not divulge that information on here.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225063]Consequently, for this purpose it must be understood from either an agreement beforehand or past experience with the girl that she will swallow and not spit. Swallowing at the end without her making sure you were aware that she would swallow at the end is kind of a wasted opportunity. Maybe it's a nice surprise, but hardly enhances anything in terms of pleasure for the reasons I just stated. It essentially misses and denies the whole point of swallowing at the end instead of spitting.[/QUOTE]I 've met a few girls that swallowed and I have to admit that I liked it. Maybe it gives more intimacy with the girl or something like that. But these girls did it because they liked it and they didn't told me beforehand. It's a bit exciting, the moment you've just CIM and look at her being curious, will she swallow or is she going to spit or worst run in the bathroom? It's always been a good surprise for me when they would swallow. But it's been a long time that I didn't met any girl that swallows, I now tend to ask them (only to girls that I see after many sessions) but most of the time it's a no go, I try to persuade them very briefly, but then I don't insist much on it. I guess that I would probably like it less than if she takes the lead and does it by herself without talking about it first.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2225009]This thread was started for you. Go for it.[/QUOTE]The post from MP that you are quoting was originally posted in the Pattaya thread and not in this new thread. It was moved by the admin. You can see that if you go back to the very beginning of this thread.
[QUOTE=Allover;2224939]The photos of various girls in a room with teddy bears and eating what appears to be home cooked meals is proof enough for me. He is a young, wealthy, Asian guy so why is it hard to believe he gets the top go go girls? While there may be some embellishment and some of his methods disagreeable, I find it obvious The Paw isn't just a talker / dreamer. Several members here, both new and old (and respected), have met him in person. He has reached out to first timers and spent time with them which is a good thing. I find his posts helpful, interesting, and above all entertaining. Not many individual posters get a thread dedicated to them so The Paw obviously interests others as well. Don't get too worked up about anything you read in this forum.[/QUOTE]It's not hard to believe that he gets the top go go girls because he's indeed posting pictures of them and several members have met him in person. However I think there's not 'some' embellishment in his stories, like you say, but quite a lot. So when he posted a story in the Pattaya thread about this really pretty girl Ning, and all the things he had done with her in bed, and claimed he found her on Beach Road, I made the following remark:
"I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone."
To my surprise the admin did indeed start a new thread called "Stupid Shit in Thailand" (the title wouldn't have been my choice LOL). Since then things have gotten a little bit out of control, because originally I was only expressing my doubts about the location where he picked up Ning.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2225219]To my surprise the admin did indeed start a new thread called "Stupid Shit in Thailand" (the title wouldn't have been my choice LOL). Since then things have gotten a little bit out of control, because originally I was only expressing my doubts about the location where he picked up Ning.[/QUOTE]I saw others "stupid shit thread" coming out maybe at the same time (at least one for Medellin) so it was probably not a thread for talking about MP. It's you guys that made it his thread by talking only about him. As far as I'm concerned I saw a few suspicious probable BS in some of his posts but I find them entertaining and as he said, at least he provides reports. I would add that his last posts are also quite funny to read.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2225219]It's not hard to believe that he gets the top go go girls because he's indeed posting pictures of them and several members have met him in person. However I think there's not 'some' embellishment in his stories, like you say, but quite a lot. So when he posted a story in the Pattaya thread about this really pretty girl Ning, and all the things he had done with her in bed, and claimed he found her on Beach Road, I made the following remark:
"I think we need a new thread called "Erotic stories and other fantasies". The days you could find a girl like that on Beach Road are long gone."
To my surprise the admin did indeed start a new thread called "Stupid Shit in Thailand" (the title wouldn't have been my choice LOL). Since then things have gotten a little bit out of control, because originally I was only expressing my doubts about the location where he picked up Ning.[/QUOTE]If he is a big time and frequent visitor at gogos, then I am sure the gogo girls have info about him on their secret facebook groups. Just like how he / we shares pictures of girls, the girls share pictures / reviews of guys. I have no idea how this system works from their perspective, but I know for a fact that bargirls have a huge gossip mill online. It usually works by posting a picture of a guy if they know he goes to a certain city / soi like "do any one here know this guy __picture__ with __name__ ?" Or if the guy is really popular, he will have a dedicated thread. I wonder if his stories here match up with the stories that they write about him 5555.
What I do know about these things is they share details like name, occupation, duration, what condo you stay in (hint hint they ALL know where you live if you ever invite 1 over), if you are cheap, how long you last in bed, how good you are in bed, and if you are creepy, etc etc etc. Mostly they will review guys the same way we review girls.
To me, what's stupid shit is you guys spending hours and brain cells and been with discussing who, what, where, how and why of dudes looking to bang prostitutes. I'm in the camp just providing information, not a blow-by-blow description. That being said, I always found mr. Paws posts to be well written and frequently amusing.
That further being said, you can view my opinion as coming from a guy whose idea of mongering is blowing a load in 15 minutes or less, and then go find something more important to do.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225270]What I do know about these things is they share details like name, occupation, duration, what condo you stay in (hint hint they ALL know where you live if you ever invite 1 over), if you are cheap, how long you last in bed, how good you are in bed, and if you are creepy, etc etc etc. Mostly they will review guys the same way we review girls.[/QUOTE]Now there's a book I'd like to read. Since seeing your post out of curiosity I did some checking with some regulars here in Bangkok and alas can find none that either keep or share the kind of detail you mention. I'm not familiar with Pattaya which is obviously a more tight knit expat community and where it may make sense for the girls to know the M. O. Of regular punters but apparently at least with the girls I know it doesn't seem to happen in Bangkok. Then again who knows maybe it does and it's a well-kept secret. Would love to know my ratings if so.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2225506]Now there's a book I'd like to read. Since seeing your post out of curiosity I did some checking with some regulars here in Bangkok and alas can find none that either keep or share the kind of detail you mention. I'm not familiar with Pattaya which is obviously a more tight knit expat community and where it may make sense for the girls to know the M. O. Of regular punters but apparently at least with the girls I know it doesn't seem to happen in Bangkok. Then again who knows maybe it does and it's a well-kept secret. Would love to know my ratings if so.[/QUOTE]It's all in Thai and youth slang, which is the kind which is impossible for google translate to even compute. Any girl will easily deny it, as it is a strict rule to do so. And there isn't 1 single group or even a small handful of groups. There are tons of groups and line chats. Many of them have advertisements about work positions (bar, salary, etc). Some with scams / [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord908][CodeWord908][/url] about going to Singapore. From what I've seen, it's mostly business, then there are the customer ones. These girls are more interested in their Thai BF's, they are not gossiping about customers per se. They are really just posting alerts about what customers are going where and when (business info), and if he is bad / red flag and mostly if he is cheap. It's mostly all business, not so much personal gossipping. But of course, the power of Thai gossip is strong so the business aspect (flagging bad customers) easily spills into drama / gossip as well. So of course, based on what I have heard from mongers, they also talk about gossip stuff like how good he is in bed as well.
Me personally, I couldn't bear to look at such stuff. It's just so uh. Specific to thai's and pretty mundane and it isn't laid out as an easy to browse forum. As usual tech in thailand is like 20 years behind, they do everything in new posts and direct messages. So instead of searching for something, they just post a new thread asking people directly if they know someone and then get results by direct messaging each time. It's really more of a gossip machine / chat.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225183]Most guys who write reports aren't doing it to share information. In fact, most guys just don't share info and keep the good looking girls for themselves, as a secret. The guys who write reports (this is a free website, you get what you pay for) tend to be self-absorbed narcissists, myself included. They are addicted to external validation from both the girls and the boys. They need to be seen as important because they are unable to view themselves internally as such. Oh and these manipulative gold digging hoes can spot a narcissist a mile away, even if the said hoe is self-absorbed herself. Just having sex isn't enough for some members, they need the hooker to "like" them as well or use "game" without understand that said hooker is just stringing them along to massage their ego (for a fee).
[/QUOTE]Why do you care so much about the other guys motives, to make a post, and include the girl pics? His own view of his behaviour might be quite different to your assumptions. Better to analyse yourself as you do.
Could the pics be a form of "bragging" like look how hot my chicks are, so hot that you other guys can't even believe it. I don't really feel the need to decide what his motives were. More like is the information or post funny, entertaining, or any useful info? I don't really care if he has an ego or very confident in him self. I am not keen on those who write very condescending type stuff though, or negative all the time. If he writes about how he has his fun, or what he doesn't like, that is fine for me. It is great he has little concern about the forum posters and does his own thing. I like MPs pics even if they are ill advised, as many other pics appeared that were not worth viewing. He sets a higher standard.
Lets face it. Some of us are bored and have nothing better to do than make some posts. We can easily disappear when we have better things to do or other priorities. Looking at the better side, some guys feel they should share information, to let others experience interesting places too. We are not all jealously guarding our secrets.
The biggest reason for secrecy in the case of many, would be fear of being identified when girl reads the post. Many times I went too far with the detail. Another reason guys don't share, is they are scared to attract psycho cases to their favourite lovely girl. LOL Girls mention the weird shit that customers pull, perhaps I hear a lot more about psycho cases than the normal ones. Some guys have not yet been burned by divulging too much, but they will be.
Everyone can choose which posts or posters they wish to read. Hopefully choose the ones you like, guys. Plenty don't like my posts so don't have to read them. I skip posts too.
I love to criticise guys that are overly negative in their posts particularly when replying to what other posters wrote about their experiences. So knock the knockers.
Seems to have been a history of people second guessing someone else's experiences.
I think Monkeypaw is a top poster in some ways with a good attitude. He posts experiences, where he offers more than so many others. I am only jealous because I don't have much exciting experiences of something new or different to offer. I am stuck repeating same things as before. Yeh could be fun for a stodgy old cout like me to tag along with the Monkey Paw once or twice to see something different.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2225235]I saw others "stupid shit thread" coming out maybe at the same time (at least one for Medellin) so it was probably not a thread for talking about MP. It's you guys that made it his thread by talking only about him.[/QUOTE]You could be right. This is what the admin of the Colombia forum wrote when he started that thread:
"Stupid shit in Medellin.
I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit.
So here's the deal, post it here. You can post all of that stupid, idiotic shit here. The "Medellin Reports" thread is now criticism free.
A2".
However the admin that started this 'Stupid Shit in Thailand' thread did not explain why he started it. So dear admin, if your intentions are the same as the Colombia admin then please make that clear to us. Then from now on anyone can post all kinds of fantasies and made up shit in the pussy threads (I suppose that means the review and field report threads) and if other board members (including seriously people) have comments or doubts they should post that in the 'Stupid Shit in Thailand' thread. Yeah, that makes sense.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225635]Why do you care so much about the other guys motives.[/QUOTE]As an expat who has been here for 6 years and ran into all types again and again, I am weary of rich trust-fund kids. They have common traits of being self centered and seeing people as objects. I do not personally value them on a social level honestly. So I consider most of what he writes to be too out of touch with reality. He is in the upper echelon of wealth, but not by earning it, but by having his diiaper changed by his rich parents service staff all his life.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2225635]
I think Monkeypaw is a top poster in some ways with a good attitude. He posts experiences, where he offers more than so many others. I am only jealous because I don't have much exciting experiences of something new or different to offer. I am stuck repeating same things as before. Yeh could be fun for a stodgy old cout like me to tag along with the Monkey Paw once or twice to see something different.[/QUOTE]Really, Syzy? You could see yourself going along with a guy who claims to have met a "gem" on Pattaya's Beach Road but could not tell if it would be worth 1,000 baht for two hours with her because her "skimpy shorts and t-shirt" hide too much of her body to get a good idea what's underneath? Good lord, does he usually only take FLs who stand stark naked on the street corner?
[QUOTE]When I first saw her standing outside, I noticed Ning had a cute face and light skinned but unsure of how her body would be underneath her skimpy shorts and t shirt. But later I found out with clothes off, that her body was very sexy, with a flat stomach, nice round ass and big firm enhanced tits.[/QUOTE]I see he is still writing these fantasy sex tales like a dude who has never actually experienced a P4P session in Thailand's usual tourist areas but has a vague notion what a "hot" one might be like if he ever did someday. I realize there is no doubt he pays girl to go to his room for a photo session. But the sex passages are way out there and seem only to be wishful fantasy.
And, frankly, I am surprised you seem to be lending credibility to him and actually suggesting you of all people might go along for the ride if he can also hook you up with a Beach Road "gem" who will accept 1,000 baht for a two hour ST including full deep throat cum swallowing and who might even go for a 1 hour ST version of it for only 500 baht. LOL. I'd love to be a fly on the wall when you, Syzygies, and such a hardcore Pattaya street walking "gem" are left alone in the room after that deal has been agreed to and struck.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225674]As an expat who has been here for 6 years and ran into all types again and again, I am weary of rich trust-fund kids. They have common traits of being self centered and seeing people as objects. I do not personally value them on a social level honestly. So I consider most of what he writes to be too out of touch with reality. He is in the upper echelon of wealth, but not by earning it, but by having his diiaper changed by his rich parents service staff all his life.[/QUOTE]Even still, where are the lies in his posts? Nobody is in the bedroom with this guy and why would you care? One of the main principles in mongering is that YMMV. But I have noticed over the years that in many cases if your mileage is different from someone else's then that person is assumed to be lying, which is not necessarily the case.
It seems that you already have preconceived notions of him. I don't see what the big deal is. He talks of going to pick up hookers and paying them. He posts their names and bar numbers. Besides there are other board members that have met him. So besides that he has money and he does some things outside is what considered the norm, why the animosity toward him?
MP reports have more information than 90% of the other reports.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225270]If he is a big time and frequent visitor at gogos, then I am sure the gogo girls have info about him on their secret facebook groups. Just like how he / we shares pictures of girls, the girls share pictures / reviews of guys. I have no idea how this system works from their perspective, but I know for a fact that bargirls have a huge gossip mill online. It usually works by posting a picture of a guy if they know he goes to a certain city / soi like "do any one here know this guy __picture__ with __name__ ?"[/QUOTE]1 a. If it is so secret how do you know about it?
1 b. You know there is a system, but know nothing about it? I know there are aliens and I know nothing about them either.
2. The girls are not going out soliciting, so there is no reason for them to keep "files" on customers. They are cooped up in the bar and the customer comes to find them. They are not cold calling customers based on some gathered data.
3. There are only so many girls in the venues. There are too many customers to count that come through the bars. Easy for us to talk about girl number 123 in such and such bar. Imagine them trying to discuss Henry from Coventry. Is this the Henry with brown hair or the Henry that walks with a limp?
4. When is the last time you saw a hooker whip her phone out to take a picture of a trick?
5. It is hard enough trying to deal with 1 of those chicks at a time. Dealing with more than 1 at a time is like herding cats. Do you really believe that uneducated hookers are as organized to conduct such an undertaking?
6. The only thing these chicks are concerned with from a customer is getting money. They are not trying to sort through all kinds of other trick theory and bullshit algorithms as many mongers try to do. That is too much like work. And the reason they are hookers in the first place is because they are allergic to work. They keep it simple: go with man for money.
7. You really think they do not have anything better to do than talk about falang johns? Sure they are gossiping, but you would have to have a pretty big ego to believe the gossip was about us. After you have given them money you have served your purpose. They are not wasting brain cells on you past that. They have more important Thai shit to do.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225730]1 a. If it is so secret how do you know about it?
4. When is the last time you saw a hooker whip her phone out to take a picture of a trick?
5. It is hard enough trying to deal with 1 of those chicks at a time. Dealing with more than 1 at a time is like herding cats. Do you really believe that uneducated hookers are as organized to conduct such an undertaking?
6. The only thing these chicks are concerned with from a customer is getting money. They are not trying to sort through all kinds of other trick theory and bullshit algorithms as many mongers try to do. That is too much like work. And the reason they are hookers in the first place is because they are allergic to work. They keep it simple: go with man for money..[/QUOTE]Ha ha. You have this down to a tee. Thanks for the laugh. Excellent post.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225706]Even still, where are the lies in his posts?
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So besides that he has money and he does some things outside is what considered the norm, why the animosity toward him?[/QUOTE]I can only say that the poor depraved souls are blinded by envy and hatred, just by the thought that someone else is having a ball while they are stuck behind a keyboard fantasizing about 19 yo with shaved pussies who will do BBBJ + CIM and swallow and BBFS. Hyuk!
[QUOTE]As an expat who has been here for 6 years and ran into all types again and again, I am weary of rich trust-fund kids. They have common traits of being self centered and seeing people as objects. I do not personally value them on a social level honestly. So I consider most of what he writes to be too out of touch with reality. He is in the upper echelon of wealth, but not by earning it, but by having his diiaper changed by his rich parents service staff all his life.[/QUOTE]Not in response to this post specifically, but I think when one is part of the picture its probably impossible to see the frame.
On the Chiang Mai thread there is an active discussion underway about some chap visiting CM who has claimed to find a real cutie on a dating site. Complete with a pic. And a long time resident has responded to that in a way quite similar to what is going down in this thread.
I think there ought to be a name to describe this behavior. I would probably call it BDDS. Bitter, Disillusioned, Disenfranchised Syndrome.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2225793]I can only say that the poor depraved souls are blinded by envy and hatred, just by the thought that someone else is having a ball while they are stuck behind a keyboard fantasizing about 19 yo with shaved pussies who will do BBBJ + CIM and swallow and BBFS. Hyuk![/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah, that Hyuk! was exactly the reaction MP initially had to the idea of anyone expecting or engaging in that kind of behavior with P4P Thai girls, especially someone of high quality standards such as him, until some of us oldtimers pointed out he ought to be getting at least that for the amount of money he claimed to spend. After all, most of us were getting that with perfectly decent if not better girls for far less baht. Now look at his "reports". They're loaded with graphic details about such things. You might have it backwards about who was envious of whom.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2225710]MP reports have more information than 90% of the other reports.[/QUOTE]I am always ready to give props and kudos to anyone providing actionable information. But I'm not sure many guys need to be told where and how to rack up 100,000 baht bar tabs in a single location, even if they just stumbled off the plane at Suvarnabhumi Airport for their first visit to Thailand.
And on the issue of actionable P4P leads, I am not one to give exact names, badge numbers, required baht amounts for BBFS, wild times and so on. But MP certainly is and one might expect several follow up reports from guys who have taken those exact names, badge numbers, etc. and gotten something like the same results. Have you done one? I can only recall one such follow up report. Maybe there have been dozens and I apologize in advance for having missed them. One would think a dozen or so would be about right considering the frequency with which MP cites those exact details.
The only one such follow up report I can recall was a poster who MP took under his wing, arranged a special introduction of him to one of MP's favorite "Top Quality" girls and, lo and behold and darn the luck but if that girl didn't come down with her monthly menses that very night. Totally unexpected since she had only gotten it 28 days before and 28 days before that and, well, who could have predicted such a thing. Apparently, it didn't occur to her to offer one of those "deep throat, cum swallowing" blowjobs MP seems to start getting with his "gems" and "Top Quality" girls before the hotel room door closes behind him. So the guy just ponied up for the drink tab or whatever and everyone went their separate ways.
Again, maybe I've missed all the other follow up reports from guys who have matched the names, badge numbers, baht amounts, disco locations, etc. provided by MP and gotten something quite close to the results he claims to get in his "reports". Results of a sexual nature, I mean, not of a super high bar tab nature.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225706]Even still, where are the lies in his posts? Nobody is in the bedroom with this guy and why would you care?[/QUOTE]His only post I had problems with was when he stated that there are mamasans / pappasans at Hooters. Fairly certain there are none. Obviously, anyone can get a girl (given enough charm or money). Maybe he got confused thinking the guy was a pappasan instead of a friend of the girl he took. If BB said he didn't meet him, I would have put him in my dubious category list.
I would care if I went around Hooters asking for the mamasan.
Another post was Ning. It's extremely difficult to get CIM on Beach Road; swallow seems impossible (But I have never offered a tip...wondering how many will accept). I also have never found the "diamond in the rough" on Pattaya's Beach Road. But I am only out on Beach Road for 1 hour a day for around 7 days a year on my health walk. Obviously, there are unique cases, but those cannot last a long time.
I like his posts because he gives the names of the bars and girls. I will attempt to check them out the next time I am in Thailand.
The working girls are the ones with "game" And they have the "power" to say No! Parkville has adequately described the motivations on both sides of the equation. At least the Bangkok thread has less fantasy posts for now.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2225818]It's extremely difficult to get CIM on Beach Road; swallow seems impossible (But I have never offered a tip...wondering how many will accept).[/QUOTE]I am not a stickler and never have to have a certain thing when it comes to sex. Instead of breaking out a list of things I want a girl to do, I just usually go with the flow. When I feel that I want to skeet in a chick's mouth then I just say give me your mouth and commence to skeeting into it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225829]I am not a stickler and never have to have a certain thing when it comes to sex. Instead of breaking out a list of things I want a girl to do, I just usually go with the flow. When I feel that I want to skeet in a chick's mouth then I just say give me your mouth and commence to skeeting into it.[/QUOTE]I'm happy I'm not the only one who doesn't ask permission. LOL. I usually say " I'm cumming" and point my dick to their mouth. Works every time.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225829]I am not a stickler and never have to have a certain thing when it comes to sex. Instead of breaking out a list of things I want a girl to do, I just usually go with the flow. When I feel that I want to skeet in a chick's mouth then I just say give me your mouth and commence to skeeting into it.[/QUOTE]Haha. Sure, I've done that, too. But when I've done it it's a BBFS+CIM and not really a BBBJ+CIM. Which, if we get a tad bit more technical, I'm guessing turns out to be for you as it was for me much closer to masturbating into (or, far more likely, onto) the girl's mouth in a big hurry at the end. Much like a COB or COF I suppose, although I've never bothered to go for either one of those.
Congrats to you if instead at that moment all or most of your girls dive on your dick and start pumping it with mouth wrapped around tightly and keep it wrapped around tightly until the last squirt. But I'll go out on a limb here and conclude that is not even close to what happens all or most of the time, right? With new, untested for that event girls, I mean. You never or almost never get the slightest cum dodge, head turn or pursed lips welcome at such a moment? Again, congrats to you and others if you don't.
But for those of us who aren't going to spend much time or money in Thailand pulling out of vaginas at the crucial moment to masturbate ourselves to a finish no matter how close to the girl's mouth we can shoot it or even into it every now and then, that doesn't really replace getting a full and complete beginning-to-end BBBJ+CIM in my book.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225730]1 a. If it is so secret how do you know about it?
1 b. You know there is a system, but know nothing about it? I know there are aliens and I know nothing about them either.
2. The girls are not going out soliciting, so there is no reason for them to keep "files" on customers. They are cooped up in the bar and the customer comes to find them. They are not cold calling customers based on some gathered data.
3. There are only so many girls in the venues. There are too many customers to count that come through the bars. Easy for us to talk about girl number 123 in such and such bar. Imagine them trying to discuss Henry from Coventry. Is this the Henry with brown hair or the Henry that walks with a limp?
4. When is the last time you saw a hooker whip her phone out to take a picture of a trick?
5. It is hard enough trying to deal with 1 of those chicks at a time. Dealing with more than 1 at a time is like herding cats. Do you really believe that uneducated hookers are as organized to conduct such an undertaking?
6. The only thing these chicks are concerned with from a customer is getting money. They are not trying to sort through all kinds of other trick theory and bullshit algorithms as many mongers try to do. That is too much like work. And the reason they are hookers in the first place is because they are allergic to work. They keep it simple: go with man for money.
7. You really think they do not have anything better to do than talk about falang johns? Sure they are gossiping, but you would have to have a pretty big ego to believe the gossip was about us. After you have given them money you have served your purpose. They are not wasting brain cells on you past that. They have more important Thai shit to do.[/QUOTE]Actually, I have been shown part of one of these groups, and there are a number of them around, in many countries. As it was explained to me, it is mostly about helping girls avoid / be aware of dangerous customers.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225829]Instead of breaking out a list of things I want a girl to do, I just usually go with the flow.[/QUOTE]I think negotiating a laundry list with a hooker is useless, with very few exceptions, such as BBBJ or anal. You can ask ahead of time if she does certain things, but that's no guarantee it will happen to your liking once you're in the room.
Asking for CIM is one of those uncertain things: unless the girl really wants your repeat business, she can always pull away at the last moment, and would NOT be within your rights to deny her payment for doing that.
We're fortunate Thai hookers tend to be generous: stuff like a BBBJ, getting undressed, not being impolitely rushed, and not showing open disdain for the customer is still the norm. That is not the case in many (most?) pay-for-play markets. For instance, in most places, any kind of BJ is not a given unless agreed upfront, and in Amsterdam, you have to pay extra for taking of the bra.
My reglar Massage w BBBJ gal would happily take me deep and let me shoot, but dang if she'the never ever swallow. Always politely removed herself from our bed, mouth closed to hold my seed, then spit quietly in the bathroom. Nana condos but she's since moved back upcountry.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2225920]I'm happy I'm not the only one who doesn't ask permission. LOL. I usually say " I'm cumming" and point my dick to their mouth. Works every time.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2225989]Asking for CIM is one of those uncertain things: unless the girl really wants your repeat business, she can always pull away at the last moment, and would NOT be within your rights to deny her payment for doing that.[/QUOTE]IMO, it would be within your rights to deny payment if she had agreed to no payment for failure to do so. I have done that with girls who want a second chance to "make you happy" and finish it properly. Good time to add Cum Swallowing to the deal as well. In fact, I won't give a second chance unless that no payment if tricked again deal has been struck. And I have given quite a few second chances with very happy results for me. And third and fourth chances as well under the same conditions. Once tricked on the CIM agreement, I will not neglect to add the "no payment" clause in the discussion in subsequent meetings.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225960]Congrats to you if instead at that moment all or most of your girls dive on your dick and start pumping it with mouth wrapped around tightly and keep it wrapped around tightly until the last squirt. But I'll go out on a limb here and conclude that is not even close to what happens all or most of the time, right? With new, untested for that event girls, I mean. You never or almost never get the slightest cum dodge, head turn or pursed lips welcome at such a moment? Again, congrats to you and others if you don't.[/QUOTE]I have never known a chick in Thailand to try to dodge it. And these are mixed pros and nonpros that I am talking about. But like you said I don't think many will swallow it. I do remember my neighbor swallowing though and then falling asleep. And whenever a chick licks my ass she is generally a swallower too. It is not something that I keep tabs on because like I said it does not matter to me one way or the other. It is always just a spur of the moment go with the flow thing.
Chicks that don't swallow I always hold them down and tickle them before they can run to the bathroom. They will fight to kill to get you to let them up and run to the toilet. But I'm like you have already swallowed the elephant; no sense in choking on the tail. Once when I shot a load in my girlfriend in the Philippines mouth she started crying after. It was her first time and she really did not like it. I felt bad.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225998]I have never known a chick in Thailand to try to dodge it.[/QUOTE]That is quite a statement, Mr. E.
May I ask out of how many different Thai women you have engaged in this never fail, never try to dodge CIM technique of yours so I can be even more astonished and amazed by your response?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225802] SNIP
You might have it backwards about who was envious of whom.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225807] SNIP
Again, maybe I've missed all the other follow up reports from guys who have matched the names, badge numbers, baht amounts, disco locations, etc. provided by MP and gotten something quite close to the results he claims to get in his "reports". Results of a sexual nature, I mean, not of a super high bar tab nature.[/QUOTE]Great analysis. As usual.
[QUOTE=ParkVille;2225270]If he is a big time and frequent visitor at gogos, then I am sure the gogo girls have info about him on their secret facebook groups.
SNIP [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2225730]1 a. If it is so secret how do you know about it?
1 b. You know there is a system, but know nothing about it? I know there are aliens and I know nothing about them either.
SNIP
[/QUOTE]Looking at some BMs here I think the aliens are already among us LOL. (I don't mean the both of you).
And we have ET of course (EihTooms).
It really wouldn't surprise me if these facebook groups exist. I can imagine that especially beer bar, massage and beach road girls like to gossip and exchange information about guys they frequently see during their long boring days / nights.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2225960]
But for those of us who aren't going to spend much time or money in Thailand pulling out of vaginas at the crucial moment to masturbate ourselves to a finish no matter how close to the girl's mouth we can shoot it or even into it every now and then, that doesn't really replace getting a full and complete beginning-to-end BBBJ+CIM in my book.[/QUOTE]The only reason to pull it out, is if the girl does not want to cop the sperm. Only in porn does it need to be pulled out to see where the sperm goes, because they are making a video, and has to include as much degradation of the girl as possible to attract the extreme porn watchers. Where it goes is not an issue (in normal behaviour). Whether she wants to swallow or not is surely up to her. None of our business. We got our cum, hopefully without withdrawing but once the cum is out, what happens to it is of little concern. We got our orgasm already. We don't get to see where the garbage goes after the garbage has been taken away. The japanese woman at the condo was very upset that her garbage was in the garbage bins below and an old Thai women was sifting through that garbage to find what could be sold. Could easily find period blood or sperm in the trash, or bottles to sell. LOL In Thai culture they don't care. Only the Jap woman was so upset about it. Don't know why exactly (a cultural thing).
Like you I don't find that all Thai girls want to cop sperm directly in their pussy or mouth, and even less want to swallow. I never ask for a swallow as not my business (and seems a bit warped to me) but 90%+ spit it out (completely their right). Just like them, I don't want to drink it. Fortunately anal is not my thing, as very few girls are reporting to enjoy anal, and mainly only do it for guys who cum quick. So the odd girl said yes she does anal, but not for me. LOL I have been offered but I could count the number of times on one hand, and some of those offers were for extra payment.
I am sure a lot more girls would be into swallowing if there was a good money bonus. However I would never pay extra for it. Can't see any logical usefulness to it.
One girl was telling me about her freak customer that did want to drink the sperm. We both agreed he must be a bit psycho.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226121]The only reason to pull it out, is if the girl does not want to cop the sperm. Only in porn does it need to be pulled out to see where the sperm goes, because they are making a video, and has to include as much degradation of the girl as possible to attract the extreme porn watchers. Where it goes is not an issue (in normal behaviour). Whether she wants to swallow or not is surely up to her. None of our business. We got our cum, hopefully without withdrawing but once the cum is out, what happens to it is of little concern. We got our orgasm already. We don't get to see where the garbage goes after the garbage has been taken away. The japanese woman at the condo was very upset that her garbage was in the garbage bins below and an old Thai women was sifting through that garbage to find what could be sold. Could easily find period blood or sperm in the trash, or bottles to sell. LOL In Thai culture they don't care. Only the Jap woman was so upset about it. Don't know why exactly (a cultural thing)..[/QUOTE]Years ago in NYC I got a free BJ because some trick wanted the girl to spit some other dudes cum in his mouth. OK. I'm game. Free BJs are the best.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226121]The only reason to pull it out, is if the girl does not want to cop the sperm. Only in porn does it need to be pulled out to see where the sperm goes, because they are making a video, and has to include as much degradation of the girl as possible to attract the extreme porn watchers. Where it goes is not an issue (in normal behaviour). Whether she wants to swallow or not is surely up to her. None of our business. We got our cum, hopefully without withdrawing but once the cum is out, what happens to it is of little concern. We got our orgasm already. We don't get to see where the garbage goes after the garbage has been taken away. The japanese woman at the condo was very upset that her garbage was in the garbage bins below and an old Thai women was sifting through that garbage to find what could be sold. Could easily find period blood or sperm in the trash, or bottles to sell. LOL In Thai culture they don't care. Only the Jap woman was so upset about it. Don't know why exactly (a cultural thing).
Like you I don't find that all Thai girls want to cop sperm directly in their pussy or mouth, and even less want to swallow. I never ask for a swallow as not my business (and seems a bit warped to me) but 90%+ spit it out (completely their right). Just like them, I don't want to drink it. Fortunately anal is not my thing, as very few girls are reporting to enjoy anal, and mainly only do it for guys who cum quick. So the odd girl said yes she does anal, but not for me. LOL I have been offered but I could count the number of times on one hand, and some of those offers were for extra payment.
I am sure a lot more girls would be into swallowing if there was a good money bonus. However I would never pay extra for it. Can't see any logical usefulness to it.
One girl was telling me about her freak customer that did want to drink the sperm. We both agreed he must be a bit psycho.[/QUOTE]Because sperm is a high protein shake, women should really P4's (pay for swallow). Swal; lowing has the advantage of not staining the bed sheets. To imagine that CIM degrades and COH (cum on hair) or CON (cum on nose) does not only shows YMMV.
I doubt the Japanese woman bins her menstrual left overs. Most women flush such crap dowen the toilets and, along with wet wipes, they are a major source of plumbing problems. I do feel for the Japanese woman, not wanting the ferals to root around, rat like, in her discarded bags.
The increased demand for anal is, like the CIM, CON, COH things, a feature of today's virtual society where more mongers want the porno experience they previously jacked off to.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226121] Where it goes is not an issue (in normal behaviour). Whether she wants to swallow or not is surely up to her. None of our business. We got our cum, hopefully without withdrawing but once the cum is out, what happens to it is of little concern. We got our orgasm already. We don't get to see where the garbage goes after the garbage has been taken away. [/QUOTE]Well, see that is where you and I definitely differ. I believe where my cum goes IS my business if she has agreed to make it go somewhere specific as a matter of OUR doing BUSINESS together. Not only in her mouth or down her throat and into her stomach, but in her pussy or up her butthole, in her ear or up her left nostril as well. I'm not going to say, hey, I "got my orgasm", who cares if at that moment she hopped off me, my dick came out of her pussy and I wound up jerking myself off just to get those last squirts out. Not if she and I both agreed that we would fuck bareback until my sperm / semen came into her pussy, I'm not. Will you?
No, there is no law requiring her to honor the BUSINESS deal we struck on that issue. She can hop off, pull away, run to the toilet to spit, do whatever her little heart desires when the time comes and I have nothing to say about it in that respect. Can't throw her in jail, won't be justified in beating her up or anything of the kind. But then I most certainly do reserve and will very likely exercise my right to deny paying her what I agreed to pay for wherever she previously agreed my cum would go.
And, believe it or not, not every woman thinks of sperm / semen as "garbage". At least many of my ladies have not. Unless they work hard to get actual street "garbage" up their snatch or into their mouths as many have even for no money at all with their partner's cum. I don't think of a woman's vaginal secretions as "garbage" and don't treat it as such when it lands in my mouth and slides down my throat when I purposely swallow it instead of spitting it out. Do you? Come on now, not every woman is so diametrically opposite to men in that regard.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226001]That is quite a statement, Mr. E.
May I ask out of how many different Thai women you have engaged in this never fail, never try to dodge CIM technique of yours so I can be even more astonished and amazed by your response?[/QUOTE]Crickets?
Ok. See, this is why we have to challenge at least some of these tall tale fantasy sex scenarios and bring them back down to earth. Not to kill anyone's buzz, but because it does no one, newbies, oldtimers, the business and market in general any good to let these "Can You Top This" fantasy scenarios go on and on and thereby promote the idea that you, MP, Johnny Depp, Leonardo DiCaprio or, yes, even I can easily meet, say, 10 Thai girls, five pros and five non pros and, first time out and unplanned, every one of them will probably provide a CIM finish without even dodging a little bit (or you name the sex scenario) just like that. Five pros not working in BJ Bars, that is.
Some dudes read that stuff and they either think there is something drastically wrong with them for not getting such results so readily or they are so disappointed they dump the whole idea of ever returning to Thailand. Assuming they are choosing girls they actually want to have sex with and not pathetic souls who must either go along with anything and everything or starve in the next couple of hours. Maybe that is fine with some, but I do believe it is not good for any of us in the long run. What actually does happen in Thailand with Thai girls is already pretty darn good. No need to come up with those high flying, never fail, never try to dodge, she started giving me a deep throat and then swallowed all of it and begged for more before I got my shoes off kind of stuff.
And there's another factor to consider. If we don't challenge these things (not saying ALL of them are impossible, just that some are worthy of a challenge), then we have no right to turn our derision on posters who out of the blue ask goofy questions like, "Which go-go bar has beautiful girls who will do anything without hassle for very little money and what time do they usually show up?" LOL. Little wonder some posters, especially first time poster lurkers, think this must be the land of conveyor belt 100% True GFE do anything, get anything on demand P4P girls after they've read some of MP and others' fantasy scenarios. We have to go back and reinvent the wheel every time one of those questions comes up and don't realize how some of us are actually encouraging such thinking by posting those fantasy scenarios.
I'm not a preacher of safe sex but this was an article from today.
Numbers higher than I thought. 16 new cases of reported aids per day. 1. 5 million reported infected. 15,000 reported deaths annually.
[URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/cases-aids-diagnosed/[/URL]
According to that article 2. 3% of Thais have aids or hiv. That is a pretty hard statistic to believe. It would be hard for, me to believe that big a percentage of working girls yet alone the whole population. Or am I misreading it?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2226170]I'm not a preacher of safe sex but this was an article from today.
Numbers higher than I thought. 16 new cases of reported aids per day. 1. 5 million reported infected. 15,000 reported deaths annually.
[URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/cases-aids-diagnosed/[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226001]That is quite a statement, Mr. E.
May I ask out of how many different Thai women you have engaged in this never fail, never try to dodge CIM technique of yours so I can be even more astonished and amazed by your response?[/QUOTE]Seiously man. You think I am out here counting women? Sure I did until I got to about 200. Now I am in the thousands. And you expect me to even single out counting Thai women over Brazilians, Colombians, Dominicans, Americans, and countless other nationalities that I have been with?
Once again your mileage may vary. Just because you can not do something does not mean it is a fantasy if someone else says they have done it. Hell, I can not do a backflip and I can not whistle or pop chewing gum, but that does not mean I believe that nobody else should be able to do it.
The other day there was a poster in the Dominican Republic thread asking how to approach women. I responded saying that I thought that would have been perfected in high school, but I guess not. Maybe he should have thought that since he was unskilled at it, then no other man on the planet could do it either.
The past two weeks when I was home in Pattaya I probably fucked 10 chicks and out of those 3 were P4P. Frankly I don't see what is so unbelievable about doing shit with women. They are not mythical beings. They are just people. The way you guys talk one would think someone was talking about having dinner with an alien.
Jesus Christ. So you say it is not real life because you don't know what it feels like? I just asked various Thai chicks all of who I do not give money to and all 100% every single one said yes. In other words not 1 Thai free, non-pro Thai chick that I just asked said no when I asked if I can cum in their mouth next time. Again, I don't see what the big deal is. But do you now understand that not everything is so far fetched or unbelievable. Any disbelief after this and it should be assumed that you are just trolling.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226161]Crickets?
Ok. See, this is why we have to challenge at least some of these tall tale fantasy sex scenarios and bring them back down to earth. Not to kill anyone's buzz, but because it does no one, newbies, oldtimers, the business and market in general any good to let these "Can You Top This" fantasy scenarios go on and on and thereby promote the idea that you, MP, Johnny Depp, Leonardo DiCaprio or, yes, even I can easily meet, say, 10 Thai girls, five pros and five non pros and, first time out and unplanned, every one of them will probably provide a CIM finish without even dodging a little bit (or you name the sex scenario) just like that. Five pros not working in BJ Bars, that is.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226204]
The past two weeks when I was home in Pattaya I probably fucked 10 chicks and out of those 3 were P4P. Frankly I don't see what is so unbelievable about doing shit with women. They are not mythical beings. They are just people. The way you guys talk one would think someone was talking about having dinner with an alien.[/QUOTE]I don't see anything hard to believe about that claim either. Seems to match mine fairly closely, except my number of non P4P might be typically higher by 1 these days. I suspect most sexually active guys would arrive at that number of different girls in a two week period in a farang area of Thailand unless they lived with a girl who kept close tabs on them.
And, truth be told, I have little doubt that if I tried your method I would achieve even more CIM endings than I do.
In fact, I'm sure if I said nothing about it, didn't "ask permission" and "held her down" at the point of penetration I would probably get a whole lot more BBFS than I do already, which isn't too bad a number as it is without doing it that way. Maybe my rate of success on that count would be as high as 100 out of 100. If I get past the first 12 without getting my ass thrown in a Thai prison, that is. Hehe.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226209]Jesus Christ. So you say it is not real life because you don't know what it feels like? I just asked various Thai chicks all of who I do not give money to and all 100% every single one said yes. In other words not 1 Thai free, non-pro Thai chick that I just asked said no when I asked if I can cum in their mouth next time. Again, I don't see what the big deal is. But do you now understand that not everything is so far fetched or unbelievable. Any disbelief after this and it should be assumed that you are just trolling.[/QUOTE]Well, you're talking about girls you already have a sexual relationship with, right? Not exactly the point of our previous discussion.
And you're also talking about what they're telling you they will do "next time", not what they actually will do.
Get back to us after you've actually tried it with each one and let us know how many dodged a shot or two just a teeny tiny bit at the moment of truth.
BTW, how many Thai girls are you talking about again? 3? 10? 100?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226219]Well, you're talking about girls you already have a sexual relationship with, right? Not exactly the point of our previous discussion.
And you're also talking about what they're telling you they will do "next time", not what they actually will do.
Get back to us after you've actually tried it with each one and let us know how many dodged a shot or two just a teeny tiny bit at the moment of truth.
BTW, how many Thai girls are you talking about again? 3? 10? 100?[/QUOTE]I am not getting back to shit. It is obvious that you are just trolling.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226223]I am not getting back to shit. It is obvious that you are just trolling.[/QUOTE]Funny, from my experience, I kind of thought anyone who would claim, "I have never known a chick in Thailand to try to dodge it" (CIM) was trolling. Unless they only knew 2-3 very carefully selected chicks in Thailand well enough to have tried it, of course.
But anything is possible I suppose, no matter how improbable.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226223]I am not getting back to shit. It is obvious that you are just trolling.[/QUOTE]Mr E, as I said before, you cannot wake up a guy pretending to be asleep.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2226170]I'm not a preacher of safe sex but this was an article from today.
Numbers higher than I thought. 16 new cases of reported aids per day. 1. 5 million reported infected. 15,000 reported deaths annually.
[URL]https://pattayaone.news/en/cases-aids-diagnosed/[/URL][/QUOTE]According to Wikipedia there were 'only' 450,000 infected in 2016: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate[/URL].
So in 2017 this has suddenly more than tripled? Something doesn't seem right. Or maybe the registration has been improved?
[QUOTE=Horatio;2226203]According to that article 2. 3% of Thais have aids or hiv. That is a pretty hard statistic to believe. It would be hard for, me to believe that big a percentage of working girls yet alone the whole population. Or am I misreading it?[/QUOTE]1. 5 million has to be in the whole population. Most numbers are estimates.
Remember that numbers are people that have mostly had Aids for a long time. New reported cases drops, but people having it long time, are dying less quickly than before, so total numbers can increase. The ones with Aids are just not going away unless they die, as almost zero are reported to be cured.
Aids (new cases) was on decline for many years, so that means people for a while may have been getting slightly more careful. Bear in mind, that gays and drug users will be a high proportion of the total, but still plenty of unlucky girls whether hookers or not. Used to be many rural house wives got Aids from their husbands. Every village has kids where both parents died of Aids already. Girls doing BBFS with large numbers of customers or dates for many years are almost bound to catch it eventually. The luck has to run out.
Girls doing it only with regular tested guys with a recent negative certificate run a lot less risk.
Guys tend to go blissfully thinking it is hard to catch from a girl with normal sex practices, however some will be caught out. Better with a hooker who has a recent test certificate too.
Personally I don't go looking for BBFS with lots of new girls just met. Consider ways to reduce your odds, till is more likely you will be struck by lightning or killed in an accident. Aids is not the only risk. Some STDs are caught very easily.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2226555]According to Wikipedia there were 'only' 450,000 infected in 2016: [URL]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_HIV/AIDS_adult_prevalence_rate[/URL].
So in 2017 this has suddenly more than tripled? Something doesn't seem right. Or maybe the registration has been improved?[/QUOTE]The way the numbers and percentages are featured in the PattayaOne report makes it seems to me they are trying to present them to ensure maximum alarm. Perhaps for a presumed greater good. But the breakdown for the vast majority of people having sex in Thailand, even P4P sex in Thailand, would likely be far less alarming than it reads here.
"Meanwhile, figures from the Aids, Tuberculosis and Sexually Transmitted Infections Control Division under the Health Department of the Bangkok Metropolitan Administration show that 80% of HIV infections in Bangkok are transmitted through sexual intercourse."
How are they defining "sexual intercourse" in this study? Is it as it appears in many dictionaries, "Sexual contact between individuals involving penetration", which could include anal intercourse and oral intercourse? Or is it as it appears in other dictionaries; intercourse for the purpose of procreation, which confines it to penile-vaginal sex? I am sure they have the breakdown for how many men likely acquired HIV as the result of penetrating a vagina vs their own anus being penetrated by another man's penis. And for how many co-factors existed such as not being circumcised or having an open sore on their penis during incidence of vaginal sex. Then why not publish them or give links to where you can read about it?
They don't even break it down between how many women acquired it "through sexual intercourse" vs how many men got it that way. But they could. And, BTW, how many cases of HIV infections showed up in Bangkok vs the rest of the country anyway? I mean, as long as they're citing that 80% figure for "sexual intercourse" transmission in Bangkok, why not tell us what that 80% figure is based on? Actually, one might conclude from this report that the vast majority of HIV transmissions they're talking about here were via needles and not through "sexual intercourse", but since they do have enough cases of it being transmitted sexually in Bangkok to be statistically significant, why not cite that 80% figure.
The vast majority of men having sex in Thailand as in the rest of the world would be vaginal intercourse with some oral genital contact accompanying it. Very rarely would receptive anal sex, taking it up their own butt, be on the menu for most men. I would guess that is true of almost every man reading these threads on this site. The more detailed studies for likely transmission show that it is very difficult and rare for a man to acquire HIV through vaginal intercourse and practically unheard of through oral sex, either giving or receiving. Yet we might read these kind of articles and our minds conjure up images of 16 dudes just like us being told by a nurse in some clinic in Bangkok and Pattaya each and every day of the year that they must have gotten HIV from going bareback with Noy or Nam a few months ago. Not hardly.
These are just some interesting facts to reflect on.
1. The first post in "Stupid Shit in Medellin was made by Admin and says "I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit. ".
2. Wikipedia defines an internet troll as "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. "
3. So far this thread has 131 or so posts.
4. 36 of the 131 posts expresses negativity towards me, Monkeypaw.
5. 15 of the total 36 negative comments come from one user.
6. And another 12 of the 36 negative comments, come from a second user.
7. So if my math is correct 27 of the 36 or 75% of the negative comments about me, come from just 2 people.
8. The second post in "Stupid Shit in Thailand" was made by me, Monkeypaw as says ". I guess every board needs a troll or two that just complains or tries to tell others what to do and their opinion that they think counts. ".
9. I have yet to quarrel or argue with anybody in this thread.
10. God is great and works in mysterious ways.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226161]Crickets?
Ok. See, this is why we have to challenge at least some of these tall tale fantasy sex scenarios and bring them back down to earth. Not to kill anyone's buzz, but because it does no one, newbies, oldtimers, the business and market in general any good to let these "Can You Top This" fantasy scenarios go on and on and thereby promote the idea that you, MP, Johnny Depp, Leonardo DiCaprio or, yes, even I can easily meet, say, 10 Thai girls, five pros and five non pros and, first time out and unplanned, every one of them will probably provide a CIM finish without even dodging a little bit (or you name the sex scenario) just like that. Five pros not working in BJ Bars, that is.
Some dudes read that stuff and they either think there is something drastically wrong with them for not getting such results so readily or they are so disappointed they dump the whole idea of ever returning to Thailand. Assuming they are choosing girls they actually want to have sex with and not pathetic souls who must either go along with anything and everything or starve in the next couple of hours. Maybe that is fine with some, but I do believe it is not good for any of us in the long run. What actually does happen in Thailand with Thai girls is already pretty darn good. No need to come up with those high flying, never fail, never try to dodge, she started giving me a deep throat and then swallowed all of it and begged for more before I got my shoes off kind of stuff.
And there's another factor to consider. If we don't challenge these things (not saying ALL of them are impossible, just that some are worthy of a challenge), then we have no right to turn our derision on posters who out of the blue ask goofy questions like, "Which go-go bar has beautiful girls who will do anything without hassle for very little money and what time do they usually show up?" LOL. Little wonder some posters, especially first time poster lurkers, think this must be the land of conveyor belt 100% True GFE do anything, get anything on demand P4P girls after they've read some of MP and others' fantasy scenarios. We have to go back and reinvent the wheel every time one of those questions comes up and don't realize how some of us are actually encouraging such thinking by posting those fantasy scenarios.[/QUOTE]I think the difference between these guys who do get what you question, and guys who do not get it, is that the guys who do get it are what some people call "naturals". Guys who had a pretty active sex / date life back in Blighty, a life most of the other guys would be envious of as far as sex / dating was concerned.
When these naturals, with their experience and confidence come here, their experience will be quite different from that of Joe Average who may have dated one or two Sara Averages during a span of several years in Blighty.
What will happen is that most farangs that come here, at least once they get their bearings, will have a considerably more interesting date / sex life than back in Blighty. Be it with regular girls or p4 p girls, so there's no need to be discouraged.
Joe Average will have much more luck here, and so will Joe Natural. Joe Average here will be a bit closer to Joe Natural in Blighty. Joe Natural? He'll be closer to Joe Casanova here. And if Joe Natural involves in P4 P here, it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel for him. So in Thailand, like in Blighty, their experiences will be different, though better for both.
Chubby guy selling translation books on the sidewalk when phones do it faster and for free. He can't be making any money so how does he stay chubby?
[QUOTE=Breadman;2226641]Chubby guy selling translation books on the sidewalk when phones do it faster and for free. He can't be making any money so how does he stay chubby?[/QUOTE]How do you know he is not making money? Other than your guess that he isn't selling any books.
[QUOTE=Werqweq;2226610]I think the difference between these guys who do get what you question, and guys who do not get it, is that the guys who do get it are what some people call "naturals". Guys who had a pretty active sex / date life back in Blighty, a life most of the other guys would be envious of as far as sex / dating was concerned.
When these naturals, with their experience and confidence come here, their experience will be quite different from that of Joe Average who may have dated one or two Sara Averages during a span of several years in Blighty.
What will happen is that most farangs that come here, at least once they get their bearings, will have a considerably more interesting date / sex life than back in Blighty. Be it with regular girls or p4 p girls, so there's no need to be discouraged.
Joe Average will have much more luck here, and so will Joe Natural. Joe Average here will be a bit closer to Joe Natural in Blighty. Joe Natural? He'll be closer to Joe Casanova here. And if Joe Natural involves in P4 P here, it'll be like shooting fish in a barrel for him. So in Thailand, like in Blighty, their experiences will be different, though better for both.[/QUOTE]Nice overview of a certain aspect of the scene here. However, I would add that the ladies here themselves are not starting from the same place or perspective as Blighty ladies. While there are some constants about women all over the world, there are enough cultural and financial situation differences between the women of Blighty and the women of Bangkok to turn a few assumptions upside down and sideways compared to how things work back home.
Don't ask me how I know, but a lot of Joe Average fellows might be surprised to discover they are more welcome and desirable to a whole bunch of Thai ladies than are many Joe Naturals-turned-Joe Casanovas. Non P4P girls avoid Joe Casanovas like the plague here. Or try to. Many regular Thai women are not only made personally uncomfortable being with a man they know can charm or maneuver his way around the ladies so successfully, they are also consummately aware that all of their relatives, friends and neighbors will see them, the lady, as a foolish moth flying into a blowtorch. She will not be seen as clever and attractive enough to have bagged a fantastic "catch", the envy of all her girlfriends in any way similar to what those Blightly biddies will gush over back home.
The P4P girls? Line ups might want Joe Casanova to choose them to put a feather in their cap about being "hot" enough to be thought a proper match for such a guy. They might want to be seen walking out of the bar with that guy just to show off that they are not only the girl of choice for beer belly old codgers, but for smooth charmers and "super stars" as well. And to make that happen, just being chosen and walking out with Joe Casanova that is, they might say just about anything the guy wants to hear because it is the being chosen and walking out with him that matters at this point, not what actually will occur in the hotel room. The fact that he didn't avert his eyes and reject her in front of her co-workers is already a minor victory. Walking out with him is the big prize.
Back in the hotel room? Joe Casanova will NOT likely be seen as a potential repeat customer. Why would he need to repeat any girl? In fact, what's the real harm in giving ol' Joe Casanova some of the laziest service ever doled out since, hey, not only is it not worth even trying to woo him as a repeat customer, but he is probably getting tons of great service and sex from beautiful girls all the time anyway. No real harm being done here, right? LOL. Except that can't be right if every P4P girl thinks that way. BTW, that is not too different from the way regular, non P4P girls that ol' Joe Casanova meets think, too. Why even try to give this guy great sex since he no doubt gets the best sex all the time from the most beautiful girls? LOL. And I can't possibly compete what what he has had anyway, so why even try. Again, most of that cannot be true if every girl he meets thinks that way.
When P4P freelancers look at Joe Casanova, they generally do NOT see a "customer". Perhaps not for any girl. He must have a lot of real girlfriends, why would he need to pay for sex? According to the P4P girl's way of thinking, that is. However, when they look at Joe Average, they see the word "customer" in huge neon. And if they get the impression they might just be the hottest, sexiest girl this guy has had in a long time if not ever, that will go a long way to giving them confidence and motivating them to give him a quality ride and inspire him to return to her over and over again for that special ride. Unlike Joe Casanova, Joe Average-now-Joe Natural might be worth wooing and impressing as a potential repeat customer.
There are definitely different challenges and results for the Joe Averages vs the Joe Naturals/Casanovas between Blighty and Bangkok, imo.
The problem for ET is that he can't pop with a condom so he pays his money and takes his chances going BB. His getting regularly tested greatly reduces the risk of transmitting but is no protection against catching. I feel we can all agree there is some risk involved, the conversation seems to be about how great that is. Then there is the other argument, she doesn't have to. While yes it's between consenting adults I have always felt the girl is at a disadvantage, either from lack of information of the dangers, to her not caring, to her needing the money. When you break it down it's not advisable but understandable in situations where without going BB finishing in her pussy is a no show.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226657]In fact, what's the real harm in giving ol' Joe Casanova some of the laziest service ever doled out since, hey, not only is it not worth even trying to woo him as a repeat customer, but he is probably getting tons of great service and sex from beautiful girls all the time anyway, no real harm being done here, right?[/QUOTE]How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying? As has been said before, everybody is not good at everything. And this includes some people in the sex industry as well. So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.
I can count on two hands the chicks that deliberately were not trying and none of those were in Thailand. Off hand I would give that to a few Tijuana street girls and a chick at a $6 place in Ecuador. Hell, she was even talking on her phone while I was fucking her. When I called her on it, she said it is only 6 dollars. Well I could not disagree with that!
You think this chick got up and went to work in hopes of not doing a good job in order to spite everyone in the place?
[URL]http://m.worldstarhiphop.com/android/video.php?v=wshh9Vo2sPF0n0WPv1tj[/URL]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226665]How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying? As has been said before, everybody is not good at everything. And this includes some people in the sex industry as well. So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.[/QUOTE]Agreed. One additional factor is that we all enjoy different things so a skilled provider of either sex may be putting in plenty of effort but just not pressing the buttons of the recipient.
I've had friends recommend girls to me as hot and great performers only to find them not enjoyable. Similarly, girls that I have had a great time with have left friends wanting.
I guess the same could be said for timing. Some guys want to pump and run. Others want to dance and romance all night long.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226665]How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying?
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So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.
I can count on two hands the chicks that deliberately were not trying and none of those were in Thailand. [/QUOTE]There are indeed only a few acts of a sexual nature (and that show up on typical sex services offered lists in the P4P industry) that a female can be truly or let's say technically bad at; BBBJ and BBBJ+CIM are the main ones. DFK to some degree. DT would likely be one but probably only bad in the sense that it is agreed to but not really done at all, perhaps similar to DFK in that respect. It's a lot harder for the "receiver" to be bad at fucking, anal sex, DATY or anything that is done TO her. However, there is certainly a way for a girl to be a bad fuck if she goes stiffed legged, is too wiggly or just generally uncooperative about getting into a position the man wants or needs to finish. Otherwise, it would just come down to demeanor and attitude negatively effecting the experience.
I will check this and other threads to find the post you're referring to about some girl not delivering great sex "just to spite" her customer so I can better reply to that one later. So far I haven't read about that.
I don't know, Mr. E, I see your recent mission is to suggest there is something peculiar and unique about someone like me who would claim there are actually a lot of cum dodgers among Thai girls with regard to a CIM finish or that there is such a thing as getting bad sex through lack of conscientious effort from Thai girls. Instead, I would say your claimed experience is the unique one. To suggest that there are no cum dodgers with regard to a CIM finish among Thai women, that they don't even try to dodge it, and if a guy accidentally discovers one it must have happened because he just didn't handle it correctly simply defies belief and all easily observable reality. Or maybe it is because you are just not all that into a BBBJ+CIM or any other CIM finish and rarely even request or go for one.
Are you aware that typically less than half the girls appearing on Smooci Bangkok, virtually all Thai girls, list CIM as a service they are willing to offer, even for very good MONEY? What do you suppose most of those girls would do if you applied your "don't ask permission", "hold her down" or "give me your mouth" approach at the point of orgasm? I'd bet almost everything I own quite a few if not all of them are going to try to dodge some or every one of your squirts no matter how charming and persuasive you've been up to that moment. But you apparently disagree and think it is a true rarity, perhaps even unheard of except for a tiny few misguided punters, for a Thai girl to so much as "try" to cum dodge at the point of orgasm.
Now you're trying to float the idea that one is never likely to encounter a Thai P4P girl who is "deliberately not trying" in her session with a punter. Seriously? This and every similar P4P website I have ever read is peppered with reports from punters, not just me, detailing examples of that very thing happening. But not you. Never you. Fine. Then I can only conclude you are either the most charming, persuasive, never fail, no exceptions and no disappointments sexually compelling punter who ever landed in Thailand or your expectations and demands are quite a bit lower than all of us occasional "complainers" and "failures" painting a different potential picture on these forums and in personal discussions with each other on the ground.
I'm sure you and I would probably also disagree about which one is more likely to be the correct conclusion. (no smiley face emoticon available)
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226850]I will check this and other threads to find the post you're referring to about some girl not delivering great sex "just to spite" her customer so I can better reply to that one later. So far I haven't read about that.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226850] Now you're trying to float the idea that one is never likely to encounter a Thai P4P girl who is "deliberately not trying" in her session with a punter. Seriously? This and every similar P4P website I have ever read is peppered with reports from punters, not just me, detailing examples of that very thing happening.[/QUOTE]Are these two things not one in the same?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226850]I don't know, Mr. E, I see your recent mission is to suggest there is something peculiar and unique about someone like me who would claim there are actually a lot of cum dodgers among Thai girls with regard to a CIM finish or that there is such a thing as getting bad sex through lack of conscientious effort from Thai girls. [/QUOTE]I am not on any kind of mission. All I am doing is telling of my personal experiences. I thought we all agreed that YMMV. So if someone keeps coming and saying that it is not possible to do such and such, if I have a different experience then I will say well that is not how I have experienced it, so it most definitely is possible. It is the same shit in the Angeles City thread. I say just pay after instead of paying before at the bar. You know how many guys said it was not possible to do that? Well maybe they had never tried. I have no idea why they thought it to not be possible. But then other regular posters also spoke up and said they had very well paid after instead of before sometimes. I am not one to say something is not possible just because it has not worked out that way for me.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2226660]The problem for ET is that he can't pop with a condom so he pays his money and takes his chances going BB. His getting regularly tested greatly reduces the risk of transmitting but is no protection against catching. I feel we can all agree there is some risk involved, the conversation seems to be about how great that is. Then there is the other argument, she doesn't have to. While yes it's between consenting adults I have always felt the girl is at a disadvantage, either from lack of information of the dangers, to her not caring, to her needing the money. When you break it down it's not advisable but understandable in situations where without going BB finishing in her pussy is a no show.[/QUOTE]I have not found that lack of information or lack of choice due to financial need is the determining factor in greater likelihood of accepting bareback. On the contrary, the most highly educated and financially secure girls are the ones most likely to be fine with it. With me, that is. School teachers, business professionals, even nurses I have met on the dating sites are much more familiar with and accepting of the scientific study conclusions about how rare if not practically unheard of in their observation for demonstrably heterosexual men who don't share needles to have acquired HIV and that risks and outcomes of other possible transmissions are not automatic death sentences and can be dealt with reasonably. And what a recent negative HIV test result shows. In my experience, girls who are the least educated, least informed, least worldly and most prone to being terrified by rumors and the unknown are the ones most likely to say "no" and not budge from it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226858]Are these two things not one in the same?[/QUOTE]Not as I understand the terms "deliberately not trying" and "just to spite". Not trying and being aware that one is not trying merely because they have no incentive or interest in trying or because they are simply tired or lazy is not the same as proactively trying to be malicious or punish a customer by taking that approach.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226866]I have not found that lack of information or lack of choice due to financial need is the determining factor in greater likelihood of accepting bareback. On the contrary, the most highly educated and financially secure girls are the ones most likely to be fine with it. With me, that is. School teachers, business professionals, even nurses I have met on the dating sites are much more familiar with and accepting of the scientific study conclusions about how rare if not practically unheard of in their observation for demonstrably heterosexual men who don't share needles to have acquired HIV and that risks and outcomes of other possible transmissions are not automatic death sentences and can be dealt with reasonably. And what a recent negative HIV test result shows. In my experience, girls who are the least educated, least informed, least worldly and most prone to being terrified by rumors and the unknown are the ones most likely to say "no" and not budge from it.[/QUOTE]Educated girls will know that your test result lowers the chance of HIV by a large margin, maybe reducing it 99%, since most people with HIV did not get it in the last few weeks. I have a BBFS girl that is using the test result logic. However I know she is not just doing BB with everybody, regardless. She gets tested as well. Is very scared to give her BF something if should actually catch an STD of any type. She is shit scared after any condom accident. Fortunately she does not seem to be able to get pregnant so hasn't used Birth control for some time.
I think was generally accepted that non hookers were more likely to give BB than hookers, and therefore possibly more risky.
Some girls giving a no, are scared of pregnancy as well as STDs. So many young Thai girls get pregnant unintentionally, due to lack of birth control, not knowing how to make it safe properly, or birth control failure, etc. Pregnancy is a far bigger problem than HIV, I think. I known a lot of girls that got pregnant where was not the intention of both partners. I don't know a lot of HIV girls. Only 1 I heard about that I actually met previously (27 years ago). I realise many can be secret.
Double pregnancy protection with condom and also with other measures is a good idea. Some might use morning after pills after a condom accident, I don't know for sure. I have dosed a girl with morning after pills in that event before. The last thing these girls need, is another baby, or 2nd last (after HIV). Many of my girls had a baby already, and a high percentage were not exactly planned.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2226665]How do you give great sex? What is the definition of great sex? Couldn't someone follow all the directions and instructions of what you say and still not be able to deliver great sex even though they were trying? As has been said before, everybody is not good at everything. And this includes some people in the sex industry as well. So to assume that someone that you had never had sex with did not deliver great sex just to spite you is ridiculous.
[/QUOTE]Sure clearly the starfish girls are not trying at all. Can we call it "deliberate"? We certainly could if she is also known to perform well when she likes the customer. Deliberate is a silly word in this context, as extreme disinterest is more likely. However girls actively trying to make it bad certainly exist, and they have even told me so, about not giving their good service to certain customers.
The simple example that is encountered so often is the girl who uses stiff straight stretched legs, to make any penetration as difficult as possible. I call it "dick scared" but that maybe a misrepresentation of the truth, as she may just not want the customer to have a good time, and the sooner it is finished, the better. While more prevalent in Farang hookers, Thais trying to prevent a good time exist. They also are very heavy on restrictions, e. G. No kissing, no DATY, no fingering, don't touch my tits I am ticklish, and maybe even no BJ or a purposefully really bad one, meanwhile claiming all the young guys are happy with her service (LOL).
I do not refer here to girls that perform totally crap out of sheer ignorance and narrow-mindedness. I know that is also a significant percentage.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226888]Educated girls will know ...
Double pregnancy protection with condom and also with other measures is a good idea. Some might use morning after pills after a condom accident, I don't know for sure. I have dosed a girl with morning after pills in that event before. The last thing these girls need, is another baby, or 2nd last (after HIV). Many of my girls had a baby already, and a high percentage were not exactly planned.[/QUOTE]Is abortion a no-no in Thai society? Or is it fairly commonly used?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2226888]Some girls giving a no, are scared of pregnancy as well as STDs. So many young Thai girls get pregnant unintentionally, due to lack of birth control, not knowing how to make it safe properly, or birth control failure, etc. Pregnancy is a far bigger problem than HIV, I think. I known a lot of girls that got pregnant where was not the intention of both partners. I don't know a lot of HIV girls. Only 1 I heard about that I actually met previously (27 years ago). I realise many can be secret.
Double pregnancy protection with condom and also with other measures is a good idea. Some might use morning after pills after a condom accident, I don't know for sure. I have dosed a girl with morning after pills in that event before. The last thing these girls need, is another baby, or 2nd last (after HIV). Many of my girls had a baby already, and a high percentage were not exactly planned.[/QUOTE]I was impressed by the awareness of these issues in an English fluent FL I met on ThaiCupid (I think) a few months ago. She was fine with my recent HIV test result document but asked if I had taken a recent follow up test to show how low my sperm count on emission is since I got my vasectomy. LOL. First time I was ever asked about that. By any female anywhere. Of course, unlike a blood check document, I don't have a document showing that I've had a vasectomy. I assume I got a payment receipt for the procedure decades ago. Probably should have kept it and had it laminated. lol. And, yes, there is some slight chance that a vasectomy can "fail" afterwards if the tubes manage to reconnect inside your scrotum and facilitate more sperm cells joining your semen. So I was quite impressed that she knew enough about how a vasectomy works to also know how one can fail.
In fact, I have not had a follow up test in years to confirm that my sperm count on emission is so low or zero so as not to produce a pregnancy. Maybe not since a few weeks after getting my vasectomy. That is, except for all the empirical evidence results testing I have been engaged in for decades where no pregnancy has occurred after barebacking countless times with countless different women of prime child-bearing age. And, while there is some very slight chance of a "rehealing/reconnecting" of what has been cut in a vasectomy, I think the rare failures are far more likely to occur soon after the surgery, not decades later.
She did come around to feeling comfortable that my vasectomy was good enough reason not to fear pregnancy and my recent blood check document offered enough feeling of safety to go ahead with a bareback session, even though I have not yet gotten back to her to set up a meeting to know for certain what will occur at crunch time.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2226641]Chubby guy selling translation books on the sidewalk when phones do it faster and for free. He can't be making any money so how does he stay chubby?[/QUOTE]Depends on his sales ability and if he really has a product that cannot be got on a phone App. Many phone Apps for teaching a language, leave a lot to be desired IMHO, and I know that many dinosaurs still prefer a book. Not me. Books are too heavy. However I do have a small book of Thai North Eastern Dialect (Isaan). It has a lot of inconsistencies and errors (they could not find a good proof reader obviously). There is no App for this that I know of. Perhaps I need to search again. I can find two learn Lao Apps, but I am not that optimistic they will be good. So many Language Apps are really shitty, or just not in a style that I like. Have to try though.
I believe in learning vocab, pronunciation, and usage of words in a sentence or phrase, plus drills to change the sentence slightly to get a new meaning (for repetition and brain programming purposes). Grammar is typically not an issue, very simple in Asian languages. Vocab should start with most commonly used words more so than subjects or categories. E. g. I don't need to study all the food names (probably know them already LOL). I don't need to start with travel words, sports words, etc. Yet many Apps like to do this. One Lao App in beginners level has a category called Halloween. What a joke! We don't need to talk about that in Lao language. This App is clearly fucked as a learning tool. LOL Basic chit chat must be the beginning. The 2nd App I tried has this. Looks a lot more promising.
There was a really good small English to Thai phrase book years ago, sort of a Dictionary of basics and basic phrases. Books that do single English words to Thai are too difficult to get context and meaning right. I haven't quite seen the App that could best replace it. I learned a hell of a lot from that small book.
If he sells travel guides, I agree would be very stupid to buy them.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2226641]Chubby guy selling translation books on the sidewalk when phones do it faster and for free. He can't be making any money so how does he stay chubby?[/QUOTE]He stays chubby because life has moved on without him. He has not adapted to the changes of the world around him. He is still stuck in the ideas of 30 years past. And because of his inability to progress, he loses out in other aspects of life, like his health. Think about those who cannot change their ways of thinking. Those are the most unsuccessful type of people living miserable lives, while trying to express their beliefs in the old ways, so they can bring others down with them. If he can't change his mentality, he can't change his weight. Standing or sitting all day on the street like those Thai street vendors doesn't help. Most are all unhealthy looking. Therefore it's his "personal hell" to stand on the sidewalk to sell translation books which I doubt is very successful. If he was open minded enough to change and progress, then perhaps he would have success doing something else. Then he can start living life as it should be lived, and lose some weight. Preaching and doing the same old shit, while the world or industry has changed will make guys end up like the chubby guy on the sidewalk. Be progressive. If you see something that works better, than you'the better ask, learn, and adapt. There seems to be many experts and teachers, but those who really know how to live life will forever be students. I don't want ever to be the chubby guy selling books. Be progressive!
[QUOTE=Dena0;2226894]Is abortion a no-no in Thai society? Or is it fairly commonly used?[/QUOTE]I have an ex girlfriend who has a six month old daughter. I broke up with her more than a year ago and she called me out of the blue to tell me she was pregnant with a local guy who deserted her as soon as she told him. She was not asking for money, but some advice from a father figure (yes, I know). I asked her what were her options. She was in a very dire position.
She was about six weeks pregnant and I asked her about an abortion, she said that this option was not negotiable at all, it was completely against Buddhist teachings. She was resigned to having the baby, but she was extremely resentful of the position she was in. She eventually accepted it and gave birth. She now is a content and happy mother and absolutely devoted to her daughter. Her father died three years ago and she lives on the farm with her mother and sister. I help her a little. She has grown up and she has matured greatly since we were together.
So, I think many Thais would not look kindly on abortion.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2226866] how rare if not practically unheard of in their observation for demonstrably heterosexual men who don't share needles to have acquired HIV .[/QUOTE]There most certainly are HIV infected heterosexual men. It's simply a question of how much risk there is and whether she wants to take whatever that risk is by having BBFS with a stranger she has just met. I accept this is greatly reduced when results of a recent test are available.
I also accept you have found lots of ladies from all strata of society who took this risk but in my opinion they are foolish and furthermore I suggest they only do so to please the man which can be for any number of ulterior motives from desperation for a mate, loneliness, horniness, money and yes also out of ignorance.
I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.
[QUOTE=Mostek6502;2227017]So, I think many Thais would not look kindly on abortion.[/QUOTE]I think it is more of a personal decision like almost everywhere else and not a cultural one. A friend of mine was recently pregnant by an American guy. I told her if she was not married then she did not need to have the baby. She argued with me that maybe they would marry later and they loved each other, etc. She never argued that abortion was not acceptable. When she got to be 5 months pregnant the guy disappeared. Then she told me that she did not want to have the baby. Pretty much too late then. All I could do was say I told you so, especially after the baby was born in May and she has been struggling since. She said yes you were right.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2227029]I think it is more of a personal decision like almost everywhere else and not a cultural one. A friend of mine was recently pregnant by an American guy. I told her if she was not married then she did not need to have the baby. She argued with me that maybe they would marry later and they loved each other, etc. She never argued that abortion was not acceptable. When she got to be 5 months pregnant the guy disappeared. Then she told me that she did not want to have the baby. Pretty much too late then. All I could do was say I told you so, especially after the baby was born in May and she has been struggling since. She said yes you were right.[/QUOTE]To quote the Dalai Lama from the NY Times, 11/28/1993.
Of course, abortion, from a Buddhist viewpoint, is an act of killing and is negative, generally speaking. But it depends on the circumstances.
If the unborn child will be retarded or if the birth will create serious problems for the parent, these are cases where there can be an exception. I think abortion should be approved or disapproved according to each circumstance.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227035]If the unborn child will be retarded or if the birth will create serious problems for the parent, these are cases where there can be an exception. I think abortion should be approved or disapproved according to each circumstance.[/QUOTE]For me, if you can't take care of a child then you have no business having one. It is really unfair for the child to be born into a situation as such. I explained that to my own daughter. She decided to have my grandkids anyway. But of course I live in a country where the government gives women free stuff when they can't take care of their kids and throws men in jail when they can't take care of theirs. So my daughter does just fine with the government's help.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2226594]These are just some interesting facts to reflect on.
1. The first post in "Stupid Shit in Medellin was made by Admin and says "I've been trying to use the Medellin forum while I'm here and for some reason some of you guys seem to think that criticizing or reviewing other guys posts on the pussy threads is what this forum is about. It's not, and doing that creates and environment that inhibits growth of the forum because seriously people don't want to deal with your bullshit. ".
2. Wikipedia defines an internet troll as "In Internet slang, a troll is a person who starts quarrels or upsets people on the Internet to distract and sow discord by posting inflammatory and digressive, extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community. "
3. So far this thread has 131 or so posts.
4. 36 of the 131 posts expresses negativity towards me, Monkeypaw.
5. 15 of the total 36 negative comments come from one user..[/QUOTE]Point proven MP. I'm in the Angeles City thread and it's the same problem. Some posters are now complaining about how off topic conversations and the comments are. There are threads with assigned titles like "General Discussions, Politics" but some guys seem to just want to use the main thread like Bangkok or Angeles City to flood random conversations unrelated to sex or hookers. I guess this is like trolling as well. It distracts from the purpose of a information sex board. Hopefully something can be done to change this. Prayers maybe.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2227049]For me, if you can't take care of a child then you have no business having one. It is really unfair for the child to be born into a situation as such. I explained that to my own daughter. She decided to have my grandkids anyway. But of course I live in a country where the government gives women free stuff when they can't take care of their kids and throws men in jail when they can't take care of theirs. So my daughter does just fine with the government's help.[/QUOTE]Same situation. Just a few days ago, my daughter just had a child from some guy who's currently in prison and is now currently living in a shelter. I gave her a few options but she's a stubborn fuck like her mother. If she wants to do things her way, she can go right the hell on ahead. Reality is a hard pill to swallow.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227018]
I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.[/QUOTE]There are risks involved period. If you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen. Picked myself up a hottie tonight that had way too many free tequila shots that the bar gives the girl to loosen them up. And we all know what happens with lose women. Take a step back, other areas the women keep a close watch on the activities. Here the lights are out, the girl is feeling very relaxed ie drunk and there's no telling if the guy really had on an intact condom. She feels something and is satisfied. With the next customer the same thing might happen. Over and over again. Guy isn't spending $60 in lady drinks for no reason at all. Hundreds of drunk gogo girls walking out of the club every night needing to earn a bit more cash, what are the chances she doses off without checking for protection. Accept the risks associated with this hobby, there's a reason why this part of Asia is ripe for catching something. I'm not preaching safe sex at all, quite the opposite. Accept that every point might have a shark in it and deal with it however you feel it needs to be dealt with. Well written responses won't save your ass.
Next time your about to get it on and pull out the condom, pay attention to detail for a change. Notice how the girl didn't inspect the package? Didn't bother to check the condoms integrity. Just accepted that the condom was a normal condom when in fact it was anything but. Girl can want to practice safe sex but when you add liquor, overnight stays and dark rooms to the mix anything goes. She didn't check your condom then she didn't check the condom if the guy who cut off the tip.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227018]
I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.[/QUOTE]The reality is the BBFS women are taking a significantly higher risk than the guy. Mean number of fucks to catch it from a HIV person are much lower. Circumcision could reduce risk for guy even further. I have a BBFS regular, and am completely honest with her. However she knows guys in general, will lie about how many or which girls they did BB with, or have condom accidents, and hence is ultra suspicious, requiring a regular blood test. If the guy did the odd girl BB the risk is pretty low, but of course there is far more emotional thoughts about HIV than knowing exactly the technical risks.
If I did needles, gays, LBs, etc. I sure she would be doing anything with me at all.
Needles and BB ass fucking remain far greater risks, and quite hard to identify males that really caught HIV another way, and they can easily be lying about exactly what they did. There are probably a lot more likely ways to die. Plenty of studies showed persons did not catch it from their HIV partner with certain safer practices. E. g. I think DATY was considered pretty safe. We don't use protection for that and is unlikely to be needed. I think it is possible to catch Chlamydia from a BBBJ (although rare) and that is how I believe I got it once.
For all those village kids, who lost both parents to HIV, would be interesting to know the percentages of the causes, if could be obtained truthfully. Could be a high percentage of cases where needles were involved at least for the guy. Could be that some of the women were ass fucked, using wild speculation, although they could catch it from BBFS. It really isn't that easy for the male partner to get it, one would think, if he is not a bisexual and not a drug user. Can be the male caught from his wife too, but that might be less than 10% of the cases. If fuck the HIV person BBFS enough times, eventually the risks catch up with you or just get unlucky.
I imagine that older guys are thinking that they have only so many years left anyway, so why not enjoy, taking a few faint risks. There are riskier things, like how many Farangs joined the Pattaya Flying Club, "jumping" (or being jumped) off tall buildings. How many guys caught HIV from a blood transfusion? I certainly met at least one Hemophiliac (spelling) years ago that got HIV from blood transfusion. Blood banks don't want any guys that do hookers, but I am not sure that hookers are actually riskier than non P4P population.
I theorise that doing BBFS with a very small number of well known women, is less risky that BB with any girl that is always willing as a matter of course. Early days in Thailand I was less careful as had no wife to pass on any type of STD. So that is the vastly bigger risk. Catching any type of very transmittable STD, and passing on to GF, wife, etc. HIV gets an unproportionate amount of the publicity. There are plenty of STDs including ones I never heard of before.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227018]There most certainly are HIV infected heterosexual men. It's simply a question of how much risk there is and whether she wants to take whatever that risk is by having BBFS with a stranger she has just met. I accept this is greatly reduced when results of a recent test are available.
I also accept you have found lots of ladies from all strata of society who took this risk but in my opinion they are foolish and furthermore I suggest they only do so to please the man which can be for any number of ulterior motives from desperation for a mate, loneliness, horniness, money and yes also out of ignorance.
I am not judging anybody, simply stating the reality that there are risks associated with BBFS for both parties and despite your own experiences I still believe really smart health conscious women aware of these risks are unlikely to go BBFS until they are much more acquainted with the guy.[/QUOTE]I agree. In fact, I would and have gone even further than you and others in my postings regarding if you're going to go bareback, do it as safely and with as much consideration for your partners as possible.
I will repeat now what I have posted several times, almost as many times as the subject has come up, that IF you are going to indulge in a life of bareback fucking, I strongly recommend you get yourself circumcised, get a vasectomy, don't go bareback unless you have a current (within 1-2 months) negative HIV + other STI blood test result document from a qualified clinic, avoid any obvious visual or otherwise seriously problematic and suspiciously unhealthy vaginas, keep every pertinent body part well lubed at all times, avoid as much as possible prolonged "rough" kinds of sexual activities that might cause skin abrasions, always roll out of bed and wash your package with soapy water within minutes after finishing and take a leak (avoiding the Code Word trigger here) soon after.
IMO, for men who routinely engage in bareback fucking AS WELL AS the occasional "forgetting" to wear a condom, being "too drunk" to wear a condom or that the girl "didn't ask me" to wear a condom guys, those pro-active measures and actions that I have taken and that I strongly recommend other barebackers take are the only true technical means to avoid catching as well as infecting your sexual partners with anything nasty along with avoiding unplanned pregnancy.
Understanding and appreciating the reasons women take all kinds of physical and emotional risks with a man and he with her, being more acquainted with the man and he with her, etc. are all nice additions to the mix. But nothing compares with taking those actual pro-active actions and measures I listed above and have repeated several times previously. If anything, those pro-active measures very much trump any well-meaning effort of most guys I have ever known who say they always try to use a condom and so should everyone else. IMO, they are letting themselves off easy with that approach compared to the far more effective pro-active measures they could take instead.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227275]I imagine
I theorise.[/QUOTE]I know. I went up to Nan (north of see Mai) years ago when the hookers there were supposed to have a 75% infection rate. I also read BS about the low risks for makes of catching the clap and got an awful dose in Pattaya, in part as a result of that unscientific advice. There are real risks out there and mercurial theories do not change them. Junkies, bisexuals, homosexuals and ladyboys have high rates. You don't have to be a genius to see how that ups the infection rate in places like Pattaya.
Theories like these are like the Buddhism of the Pattaya hookers, who believe sacrificing a chicken will cure them. The Pattaya "Buddhists" might be more scientific.
The risks are real. Deal with them and be careful about what you read on the Net.
I'm adopting a new approach: bonking airline cabin crew who are glad of the extra $$, more so the Americans who are taxed on their per dime but not on what I pay. I figure the risks are lower as they are unprepared, are only doing one customer a day (I have my suspicions about yesterday's stack them high bonk) and they have to be uber careful). I get a good rate too and so far, so good.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2227301]I strongly recommend other barebackers take are the only true technical means to avoid catching as well as infecting your sexual partners with anything nasty along with avoiding unplanned pregnancy.
Understanding and appreciating the reasons women take all kinds of physical and emotional risks with a man and he with her, being more acquainted with the man and he with her, etc. are all nice additions to the mix. But nothing compares with taking those actual pro-active actions and measures I listed above and have repeated several times previously. If anything, those pro-active measures very much trump any well-meaning effort of most guys I have ever known who say they always try to use a condom and so should everyone else. IMO, they are letting themselves off easy with that approach compared to the far more effective pro-active measures they could take instead.[/QUOTE]You start to get carried away here. I don't see which measure you mention can help the girl not get pregnant.
Also you seem to claim your measures are more effective than a condom, which is extremely fanciful and I doubt there is any evidence for it. Condoms ARE known to be effective against HIV. I don't see any reason to belittle those using a condom at all. They are going to be at less risk of catching many diseases and obviously less likely to cause a pregnancy, one of the highest risks.
I never ever got any girl pregnant, however it must be that some guys are causing unwanted pregnancies somehow, and there are girls claiming to take precautions of some sort that were not effective. After a condom accident I did make sure the girl took other precautions, and naturally condom accidents are fairly rare if lube is used properly and ensure no air bubbles when putting it on, with good technique. For marathon fucks it can be necessary to change the condom. I don't like condoms sure, but put up with some thin Japanese ones, that I supply myself. I have cancelled with girls insisting to use her own thick or wrong sized condom. Would probably be useless for me. Fortunately 98% of girls are O.K. with my condoms, and maybe 99% for Thais. I have definitely met a few Thai girls that accidentally had a baby from a non Thai man, probably a customer in each case. Even more met hookers stupidly getting pregnant to Thai boys, with boy often doing a runner to a new girl at some point. Teenage pregnancies are high, and abortions low. Why would a hooker be so stupid as to have a baby? Hard to fathom. Why not wait?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227275]The reality is the BBFS women are taking a significantly higher risk than the guy. Mean number of fucks to catch it from a HIV person are much lower.[/QUOTE]In addition, over the long term, a typical working girl has an order of magnitude more partners than an typical punter, even if he's unusually active.
In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive. Sure, there's usually semi-informed consent, but regardless of that, condoms are such an exceedingly simple solution that reduce the risk to the girl from substantial to negligible.
Even if I'm fully capable of convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blindfolded for money, should I really be doing that?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227412] I don't like condoms sure, but put up with some thin Japanese ones, that I supply myself. I have cancelled with girls insisting to use her own thick or wrong sized condom. Would probably be useless for me. Fortunately 98% of girls are O.K. with my condoms, and maybe 99% for Thais.
Why would a hooker be so stupid as to have a baby? Hard to fathom. Why not wait?[/QUOTE]I have been using Sagami 0. 01 for nearly a decade now, and in all these years I have not met a single girl who has insisted on using her own condom. 95% of the girls would be from South East Asia or North Asia. The remaining 5% might be from other random places where my travels have taken me. I do not fancy white girls at all, including Eastern European girls. That kind of narrows down my target.
As for hookers getting pregnant, if the father is a foreigner, the baby becomes a passport to freedom and security. If your reference is to the local men, then I am as baffled as you are.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227412]You start to get carried away here. I don't see which measure you mention can help the girl not get pregnant.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][b]Me[/b]=IF you are going to indulge in a life of bareback fucking, I strongly recommend you
(list) get a vasectomy[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][b]Syzygies=[/b]Also you seem to claim your measures are more effective than a condom, which is extremely fanciful and I doubt there is any evidence for it. Condoms ARE known to be effective against HIV. I don't see any reason to belittle those using a condom at all. They are going to be at less risk of catching many diseases and obviously less likely to cause a pregnancy, one of the highest risks.[/QUOTE]Nevermind "seem", I'll come right out and say it bluntly; when I am 10 minutes away from bareback fucking a girl, being circumcised, having had a vasectomy and with a 1 month old negative HIV and other STI test result document in my possession, I will be safer for that girl in terms of preventing pregnancy and not infecting her with something life alteringly serious than the vast majority of punters she is likely to have ever been with. And, were any of them in my position, might now be fumbling with a condom wrapper, if they remember it, aren't too drunk or she has requested and insisted on it. The measures I have taken in order to make sure she will not get pregnant or catch a life altering bug and that I strongly recommend to anyone who is indulging in bareback fucking of various women, will not "slip off", will not "break", will not "tear", will not be "forgotten" in a state of drunkenness or uncontrollable horniness, will not go away because the girl "didn't ask me" to wear a condom and on and on.
In all likelihood, she has never met or been with a man who is circumcised, has had a vasectomy AND is in possession of a current negative blood check result document other than me. I have never sat next to a man in Thailand where the subject has come up who could claim to have just those three known significant precautions on his side as we are both heading out for a night of bar hopping. Those three measures alone make me one of the safest men to have sex with tonight, bareback or not, in all of Bangkok. LOL. And that isn't even mentioning the other safety factors I listed.
Show of hands, and we're obviously on the honor system here, how many guys reading this thread can say they at this moment have taken just those three precautions while at the same time has or would go bareback tonight if the girl was fine with it or can absolutely guarantee their condom will be used 100% properly and stay intact without slipping, tearing, breaking or failing?
The precautions the condom guy is using will only work if he uses them properly every time and they never fail. In fact, for preventing pregnancy, my vasectomy is 20 times more effective than his condom even if he uses it properly 100% of the time (I read that on one of those condom info pamphlets inside the box. LOL). My precautions work whether I give them a thought or not, whether I'm shit-faced drunk or not, whether I'm overwhelmed with horniness or only middling into it, whether I'm clumsy and nervous or sharp as a tack and, moreover, whether I'm with someone who would prefer I use a condom or not.
[QUOTE=Eszpresszo;2224686]Absolutely correct. The only viable way to prove such a thing is to make a video and either interview the girl, ask her age, details and how much you are being paid for to do what. Then the lucky monger can write his screen name on the girls belly with lipstick...[/QUOTE]Perhaps this is close enough? I sorta have a feeling no matter what I do, it will not be good enough. I cry about this every night that I am unable to appease everybody. I really want to be everybody's hero. I often hear people ask me. Where have all the good men gone. And where are all the gods? The Thai girls have even pondered, where's the streetwise Hercules to fight the rising odds?
They ask me if I'm their white knight upon a fiery steed. That's because late at night they toss and turn and dream of what they need. I answer back what kind of hero do they want. To that they say. He's got to be strong. And he's got to be fast. And he's got to be fresh from the fight. He's got to be sure. And it's got to be soon. And he's got to be larger than life! Larger than life! To that I said, you probably are waiting for God.
[QUOTE=Rockerfellar;2224375]Seriously, Gogo girls would throw themselves to MP, (Come on give me a break).[/QUOTE]I just want to ask some simple questions that will perhaps give you a little bit insight in my life. Not here to argue.
1. When you stroll on Walking Street, do the same Russian girls keep staring, eyeing, and smiling at you, even when they've seen you already like 200 times a year for the past 2 years?
2. Are you able to get into the top Go Go bars on Walking Street without any problems?
3. Once in, are you able to bring in other guests, whom they deem as "unwelcomed," with just a nod of your head?
4. Once inside. Are you able to get the most of all of the mamasans, waitstaff to come to your table and give you bows and give you kisses in shoe of respect?
5. Do you have this annoying issue that the mamasans are always bringing you brand new girls, hoping to please you?
6. Do you have this annoying problem that the DJs keeps playing your favorite songs during your stay?
7. Are you able to find or know who is the hottest girl in the bar?
8. Are you able to get her to come for a drink and chat?
9. After the hottest comes drinks with you, are you able to barfine or does she hustle you and goes away?
10. After you barfine her and fuck her, can you make her roll her eyes at you every time you step into that same club because she knows she's been played?
These are some of Monkeypaw's problems. If you are able to get another person to to show their "true" emotions, whether it is via words typed online or by their actions in person. You have what is called the "power" over that person. And for those who feel like backtracking, it's tool late. You've shown your true colors and others have recognized it. Plus last checked, taxi from BKK to Pattaya is still 1200,300 by bus, and I'm still here until end of the month. Is there a problem with the roads?
Interesting comments about going bare, but rarely is discussed that the standard STD tests to NOT check for herpes! Please, especially you married guys, keep that in mind. Your lovely Thai hooker may say she is tested regularly but is she testing for HSV? Probably not.
And realize, too, that even using condoms 100% of the time and correctly, you can still bring home a disease! Happened to me. Earlier this year after my October LOS trip last year, I noticed some white bumps in my pubic region. I thought I knew what they were, but went to doc in partial denial, and was relieved to hear I had some infected hair follicles. They should clear up in a week. Well, I had had them for weeks already. Well, they continued to stick around and I was getting a few more, so I did a closer inspection and I had the bumps where I had no hairs. Yep, I tried to deny it at first, but I knew I had Molluscum Contagiosum (MC). I went back to the doctor and after she again mis-dx'the me, I pointed out the bumps were not where the hairs were, then she agreed I had MC. (I gues this doc doesn't see many STD cases.) Anyway, MC is quite contagious and while it will go away on its own eventually, it is visible and if you have a SO she is likely to get it, so even if she doesn't notice the bumps on YOUR skin, she WILL notice them on hers. The girl I got them from probably had them in her pubic region and I, being presbyopic didn't notice them. Mine are gone now and I am clean again, but it proves we can catch things regardless of condoms and STD tests.
Anyway, the doc ordered an STD test for me, as is standard procedure, and there were the standard checks for gonorrhea, syphilis, chlamydia and HIV, but nothing for HSV. That is one I am most scared of.
And I should note I shower before and after each sexual encounter, so I may have caught my MC during post-sex cuddling. But who knows?
This is a little embarrassing to admit, but I have embarrassed myself plenty here already, but I mention it as something for you dudes to think about. Be safe!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227426]I have been using Sagami 0. 01 for nearly a decade now, ...[/QUOTE]If only they could manufacture those with a bit more girth. It's a puzzle to me why they don't put out a "L" series of sorts. Isn't there a market? Progress on the condom front is so sluggish, the technology is there but getting a product normal-sized men can be comfortable with is like pulling teeth. I am even sometimes afraid they might withdraw polyurethane condoms from sale altogether. They will invent they're bad for global warming or something of the kind.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2227428]My precautions work whether I give them a thought or not, whether I'm shit-faced drunk or not, whether I'm overwhelmed with horniness or only middling into it, whether I'm clumsy and nervous or sharp as a tack and, moreover, whether I'm with someone who would prefer I use a condom or not.[/QUOTE]With all due respect ET for me this is not about whether you personally are a danger to your lady going BB, most likely tests not withstanding you are not. No the conversation is about the risks in going BB with somebody whose health situation is unknown. Having BB with somebody who is not a carrier of an STI other than the risk of pregnancy also nonexistent with a vasectomy, it is safe. The danger is not in transmitting it is in contacting. You can take all the precautions, washing, checking for telltale signs etc but you can never be sure the girl is not a carrier and while nothing is guaranteed by using condoms a bad outcome is significantly reduced.
[QUOTE=XXL;2227503]If only they could manufacture those with a bit more girth. It's a puzzle to me why they don't put out a "L" series of sorts. Isn't there a market? Progress on the condom front is so sluggish, the technology is there but getting a product normal-sized men can be comfortable with is like pulling teeth. I am even sometimes afraid they might withdraw polyurethane condoms from sale altogether. They will invent they're bad for global warming or something of the kind.[/QUOTE]Try the Aoni. 01 latex condom. These are English comdoms available on Ebay and are a better fit for western men. The Sagami (I think) . 02 Large are not too bad either, relatively speaking.
But even with these super thin condoms, I can still barely come in one. And as suggested, keep yourself well lubricated. These all tend to bunch up on me and then rip at the tip, especially if the girl dries out a bit.
I have never had a Thai girl refuse to use one of my super thin condoms. A few have been curious and remark about how thin they are, but no refusals, though one was cautious to the point that after I couldn't come, she pretty much insisted on using hers, which I agreed to. Obviously, it was worse and I gave up soon thereafter. But if we guys don't take precautions to keep them from breaking girls WILL refuse to let us use them, and then we are stuck with the thicker kind, where I personally can't feel a thing.
This thread was started to divert Penthouse Letters from the Bangkok thread. It now has useful information. I'm referring to the info on condoms. It is possible to ignore anything irrelevant. Just a few clicks away.
Why don't the well respected senior members & MP just meet up and settle this topic once and for all?
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2227438]Perhaps this is close enough? I sorta have a feeling no matter what I do, it will not be good enough. I cry about this every night that I am unable to appease everybody. I really want to be everybody's hero. I often hear people ask me. Where have all the good men gone. And where are all the gods? The Thai girls have even pondered, where's the streetwise Hercules to fight the rising odds?
They ask me if I'm their white knight upon a fiery steed. That's because late at night they toss and turn and dream of what they need. I answer back what kind of hero do they want. To that they say. He's got to be strong. And he's got to be fast. And he's got to be fresh from the fight. He's got to be sure. And it's got to be soon. And he's got to be larger than life! Larger than life! To that I said, you probably are waiting for God.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2227574]This thread was started to divert Penthouse Letters from the Bangkok thread. It now has useful information. I'm referring to the info on condoms. It is possible to ignore anything irrelevant. Just a few clicks away.[/QUOTE]Useful info is not stupid shit. Useful info belongs in the General thread.
I had a girl on Thaifriendly threaten to report me to the cops after I asked her how much she wanted for ST. I know this was probably a bluff, but given that it's technically illegal there, I wonder how risky that sort of behavior is, especially since the girl could turn out to be [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord902][CodeWord902][/url].
Any tips on proper etiquette on TF to find WG's and not ruffle non-WG's feathers?
[QUOTE=Lanick;2227652]Why don't the well respected senior members & MP just meet up and settle this topic once and for all?[/QUOTE]Because MP is on ground that the respected seniors are all behind a keyboard.
[QUOTE=XXL;2227503]If only they could manufacture those with a bit more girth. It's a puzzle to me why they don't put out a "L" series of sorts. Isn't there a market? Progress on the condom front is so sluggish, the technology is there but getting a product normal-sized men can be comfortable with is like pulling teeth. I am even sometimes afraid they might withdraw polyurethane condoms from sale altogether. They will invent they're bad for global warming or something of the kind.[/QUOTE]I agree, they are bit a too cozy, but not uncomfortable to the point that my dick feels "choked". Again, needless to say, all men are not endowed in the same way.
The Sagami 0. 02 has a Large version, which I have found to be a great fit. I wish they would start manufacturing the 0. 01 in the Large size too.
[QUOTE=Bkkfan9;2227692]I had a girl on Thaifriendly threaten to report me to the cops after I asked her how much she wanted for ST. I know this was probably a bluff, but given that it's technically illegal there, I wonder how risky that sort of behavior is, especially since the girl could turn out to be
Any tips on proper etiquette on TF to find WG's and not ruffle non-WG's feathers?[/QUOTE]I don't know if you are trolling, but why not treat them as you would treat a woman you are trying to meet back in your home town? Did she have a sign on her page that said hooker? If not, why would you ask such a question? Just say Hello, and let nature take its course. If she is a hooker then it will come out in the wash. The website is Thaifriendly, not Thaihookers. Just so happens that some chicks who are hookers use the site as well. I have met plenty of normal free chicks on that site. Use discretion dude.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2227714]I don't know if you are trolling, but why not treat them as you would treat a woman you are trying to meet back in your home town? Did she have a sign on her page that said hooker? If not, why would you ask such a question? Just say Hello, and let nature take its course. If she is a hooker then it will come out in the wash. The website is Thaifriendly, not Thaihookers. Just so happens that some chicks who are hookers use the site as well. I have met plenty of normal free chicks on that site. Use discretion dude.[/QUOTE]Not trolling, just limited time. I can maybe be on TF 2 hours a day on weekends. Sometimes 30 minutes on weekdays. Time difference is a problem.
Thanks for the advice, just wanted to know if there was a way to identify hookers on TF quickly.
Just a few questions to ask all you doubters.
Do the waters part for you when you want to get to Koh Larn?
Does that bottle of cheap plonk turn to a Grand Cru when you open it?
Does that ugly fugly you bar fined last night turn into a beautiful girl after she has spent a night with you?
Do the satangs in the begging bowls of the unfortunates turn to gold when you pass you hand over them?
Do the people follow you up the mound to listen to you tell them how to up their game?
Can you buy three large double cheeseburgers and feed 500 people?
No? I didn't think so oh ye of little faith.
Then why do you want to question on this forum the power and the glory of the special one who can.
[QUOTE=Bkkfan9;2227728]Thanks for the advice, just wanted to know if there was a way to identify hookers on TF quickly.[/QUOTE]Dude, perhaps TF isn't the best tool for your purpose? Why not just get down to the freelance bars? Nobody would get offended that way. Respect is the key, me thinks.
[QUOTE=Bkkfan9;2227728]Not trolling, just limited time. I can maybe be on TF 2 hours a day on weekends. Sometimes 30 minutes on weekdays. Time difference is a problem.
Thanks for the advice, just wanted to know if there was a way to identify hookers on TF quickly.[/QUOTE]The working girls usually give themselves away by 1/ quoting ST prices straight away or in their profile 2/ Asking if you are in Thailand now or in their profile tell you not to contact them unless you are in Thailand or 3/ Their pics will have them in uniform or at work or 4/ After a couple messages are exchanged will either ask or tell you points 1,2 &3.
They are the hints I look for.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2227423]
In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive.[/QUOTE]That's quite a statement. I think most men who like to bareback are not 'demanding' it from the girls. They simply ask it and if the answer is no they move on to the next girl.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2227498] Yep, I tried to deny it at first, but I knew I had Molluscum Contagiosum (MC). I went back to the doctor and after she again mis-dx'the me, I pointed out the bumps were not where the hairs were, then she agreed I had MC. (I gues this doc doesn't see many STD cases.)[/QUOTE]Thanks for the report and warning us but Molluscum Contagiosum is not an STD. It's a viral infection of the skin that is transmitted in many different ways including direct skin contact. So condoms don't protect against it.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2227462]I just want to ask some simple questions that will perhaps give you a little bit insight in my life.[/QUOTE]All of your questions can be anwered with 'yes' by any man who is spending the same amount of money in the agogo's as you.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2227462]
If you are able to get another person to to show their "true" emotions, whether it is via words typed online or by their actions in person. You have what is called the "power" over that person.[/QUOTE]Or you are just a troll. It's so damn easy what you are doing: annoying people as much as you can so they will respond. Anyone can have 'power' over people that way.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2227828]Or you are just a troll. It's so damn easy what you are doing: annoying people as much as you can so they will respond. Anyone can have 'power' over people that way.[/QUOTE]But aren't you continuously falling into MP's trap by responding?
Guys who are experienced will know what to believe from any member and know which members are truthful, which members only reports the good things in a bragging sort of way, which members are naive to a girl's words and actions, which members think they know it all but really don't, etc.
[QUOTE=Lanick;2227652]Why don't the well respected senior members & MP just meet up and settle this topic once and for all?[/QUOTE]Now there is a dumb idea, as a general principal. It is safer to remain anonymous, and only meet up with Posters with a good track record where you respect their opinions, or at least know you can have fun with them present. Posters generally know who they really would like to meet, and who they definitely prefer to avoid.
Stubbornly held views are hard to shift right.
We must understand that compatibility levels can be very low. Attitudes very different. I don't even like to get "private" messages from guys I don't know.
When you go to MPs, you certainly don't buddies. When in a bar, it is too loud to talk much anyway.
The worst forum poster I ever met was always chatting up lots of girls, showing off, and trying to introduce me to talk to them too when I had zero interest. Better off alone or with guys accidentally met, sometimes.
3 times I met a forum poster together with his GF, and found myself liking his girl much more so, a bit too much. Not really the best idea. In other circumstances I would have tried to hook up with the girls. All three guys were well known on here but many years back. None of those guys are still with the girl, I think but I have no idea how to find those girls.
Sometimes liked a friend of my own ex GF too much too. That was less common though. Maybe only once.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2224157]...It simply did not happen. I've been mongering Thailand for 26 years, 13 as a sexpat. He does have some pics yes. Did you ever notice how many of them are promo from a website?[/QUOTE]You got me. I know when I have been caught red handed in a lie. I have to admit, I have this sick obsession about browsing through various websites showing promo pics of hot girls and then making up fantasies about them. Sometimes I would go too far and try to find other random girls that look very similar to the ones on the promo websites, and take pictures. Just so I can make myself seem more credible. But you have to admit, I do a pretty good job at finding matches that somewhat resembles the website photos. The girl below doesn't quite look 100% like the actual girl in the promo website, but still pretty close. Wouldn't you agree? I've attached both pictures so folks can compare and to show you how hard I work at trying to find similar matches. I'm not perfect. Can't always get the girls to pose for pictures. So I can only do my best. Strangely, my best sure seems slightly, but not by much, better than most on here. There was a time when posted pics on my stories and reports would often showed the number of times they have been viewed. I can honestly say, I didn't click on my own photos 200 times, so apparently I do have an audience and following that knows how read and to enjoy. And for them, it's story time again. I will need a little bit of quiet and some attention please.
"A Story About Licking Leaking Lek".
Getting to fucking a Go Go bar girl is easy. Getting to fucking a hot Go Go bar girl is harder. Now getting to fuck hot Go Go bar girl while she is still wearing her dance or club outfit is the hardest. (Actually, there is one that is more difficult. Fucking a hot Go Go bar girl while "you" are wearing her dance outfit, might be impossible. But I rather not know). Now on with the story of Leaking Lek. It is rumored on somewhere on Walking Street is a girl who gets off on the pleasures of her own hands and is able to gush. She does this on request or just for the hell of it because she wants to. Many have gone in search of her hoping to quench their own thirst for the nectar that flows from her love mound. Because as legend tells it, there are powers, like eternal youth, gained from its consumption. This is a story in search of this mythical nymph named Lek. For those of you who honestly get bored of your own routine when it comes to sex. Variety is the spice of life, but sometimes even that gets boring, same routine with a different girl. How many of us pay attention to ourselves when it comes to what we do in the bedroom? I know I do. I try to change it up, force the issue. But 300 different girls a year? I welcome the opportunity when a girl does something to me "out of the blue" that makes me go "what the fuck?" It's called kink and it can be your best friend when it comes to P4 P. Now of course, this story is only fantasy as others may have suggested many of stories are. But if for some reason, anybody gets the balls to seek the truth and experience "jewel" in this story. There is only one place on Walking Street that you may perhaps find this little "gem. " I'm sure the witty and experienced to Pattaya will be able to follow the "15" step treasure map to her.
After showering, Lek put on the same sexy outfit she dances in, which accentuated her nice body and I couldn't keep my eyes off her amazing tits and ass. She knows how to carry herself and is clean. Lek smells delicious and has a very sexy voice that got me rock hard instantly. She climbed on the bed and began with some soft and very sensual kissing with tongue. Her moaning and passion into kissing is perfect. Loved sucking on her lips and tongue! She is extremely responsive to hands and mouth on her tits. She loves her tits being groped and massaged while sucking and teasing her nipples. Light to deep sucking on her delicious nipples makes her squirm and she strokes me while doing it. I soon lay her back and gently removed her bottoms and start kissing and licking all around her kitty, in her inner thighs, and outer lips. Then dive my tongue deep into her and sucked on her clit. While tongue fucking the most delicious kitty have tasted in awhile, I thought. Why does it taste so yummy? She used this strawberry lube to fill her pussy so it tastes like the candy given after Sunday church. She thoroughly gets into DATY, grinding her hips upwards as she shoves her pussy into my mouth. Seriously, I felt as she was fucking my mouth with her pussy. I never, in my life, felt my mouth being abused by a pussy like that before. It was as if I was getting punished. If they had a emergency 911 phone number just for mouth abuse, I would have called it. I have bruises around my lips to show for. Lek moans, shakes, gets so wet and loved having her clit sucked. I had a finger in her hitting her spot and bringing to brink of orgasm. That's when I clamped my mouth on her kitty and suck her clit good til she came hard. I didn't let her delicious juice escape as she trembled. I was already hot and sweaty for working so hard. But I knew I had to I keep going and she knew that I was not playing about my skill for eating pussy. Tonight she learned that hungry Monkeypaw is a dangerous Monkeypaw.
Soon she was repaying me with such a deep and passionate thankful BBBJ in which she sucked on my dick so hard. I thought l had barfined a vacuum cleaner, not a girl. Her mouth was so hot and wet. Plus the way she went up and down on the shaft while using her tongue on it and flickering the tip was amazing. It was a sight to see this girl with dick in her mouth. WOW! Mmmm. It was not long before I had the urge to taste her again. I wasn't full from my last meal of her shaved pussy. I pulled her hair back to get her mouth off my dick and told her to flip around, suck my cock, while she was spreading her ass to open up that pussy for chow time. Pretty soon had her in 69 so I could suck on her pussy more while she worked her mouth on my dick with no hands. She lost concentration and had to stop sucking while my tongue engulfed that wet pussy. Every time her hands would release her ass cheeks to stop my cock from driving deeper in her mouth, I had her put them back to keep that ass open. She struggled for the next 10 minutes. She then said she needed my dick, and I was ready to fuck. A cover was applied and she slid that magnificent glove of a kitty onto me and was riding deep, slow, and passionately on me while gripping my chest. I squeezed her ass deeper onto me while I sucked her big tits. She then did something amazing. She raised up over me and leaned back, shoved fingers into her pussy. Frantically she shoved one and then another deep into her pussy. Her juices were leaking all over her fingers and even down the inside of her thighs. This is why I call her Leaking Lek. Sliding slowly downward, she laid on the bed, drew her knees up and spread her thighs wide so she could drive her fingers deeper in her shaved * I watched as she plunged two, and then three fingers into her sloppy pussy, rapidly finger fucking herself endlessly, until she let out a loud shriek and had a second orgasm. She thrashed about as her juices squirted all over the bed. It sprayed on me, on her, and on my teddy bear like Christmas rain.
For the next few seconds, she laid there trembling, as if she was left outside in the cold. It looked kind of weird. She looked as if she was convulsing like from seizure. She told me, no more, I cum too much. I was thinking. What about me? Monkeypaw gets no love? That's when Monkeypaw went all selfish because this shit wasn't fair. Leaking Lek was trying to pull a fast one. I then open her legs wide, mounted her, and shoved my cock deep in with a single thrust. I held her arms while pounding that ass missionary and deep into pussy, making her kitty soaked, while my boys smacked those pussy lips. She squirmed, whimpered, moaned, screamed, and mumble some angry Thai words all at once for the next 15 minutes. She kept begging me to please cum, please cum. Then I turned her over doggy, grabbed her by one shoulder and one ass cheek. And using long deep slow strokes, fucked her until I was going faster and faster, punishing her from behind for what she did to my bear. She was screaming so loudly that I could hear dogs barking back at her from outside. I kept pounding her pussy like this for awhile. The sight of me going in and out of her and of those ass cheeks clapping, with the pinkness of her lips clutching me was way too much. She was going to make me cum and I felt it coming. I pulled off the cover, opened up her ass cheeks, sprayed her asshole with warm cum and then watched it drip down her pussy, and then accidentally onto bear. What the hell? I was angry at myself. I had become the same monster to which I was punishing her for. Now I have learned not to cast any stones while living in a glass house. We collapsed onto the soaked bed and my cock was still throbbing that it felt like her kitty was still gripping my dick. When she finally left, I hugged my bear, and together, me and bear bathed, cleansing our souls from what had just happened.
Disclaimer: This story may have been fantasized or fictionalized to protect the identity of all parties involved. Interpretation should cautioned and be used only for entertainment purposes.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2227839]But aren't you continuously falling into MP's trap by responding?[/QUOTE]I try to avoid that by keeping my responses as short as possible and not giving him more attention than he deserves. Of course he doesn't deserve any attention at all IMO but unfortunately he gets quite a lot of attention from other BMs who seem to believe (almost) everything he's saying. Not feeding a troll only works if nobody is feeding him, so if there are people feeding him and believing him I have no choice but to stand up against him and try to do something about it.
Nevertheless I'm aware that it's most likely a waste of time. Sigh.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2227498]Interesting comments about going bare, but rarely is discussed that the standard STD tests to NOT check for herpes! Please, especially you married guys, keep that in mind. Your lovely Thai hooker may say she is tested regularly but is she testing for HSV? Probably not.
[/QUOTE]There are various things to catch regardless of Condoms sure, however that just distracts from condoms being effective for some things. A condom that did not come off or break is unlikely to cause a pregnancy.
I agree that bare backing hookers has plenty of risks, and HSV2 is one of them, although not life threatening. The exact likelihood of catching it seems little known. Similarly for girls with pussy warts HPV, how likely to catch is that. I have felt those warts with finger in pussy on a rare occasion. I might not be keen to BBFS without learning more first. More commonly I find sponge in pussy that can cause condom tears. That is dangerous. I refuse to fuck girls with sponges normally. Can't recall the last exception. Usually can persuade them to take it out, once they finally admit it. Sponges limit penetration too much for me and feel lousy not smooth.
HSV is true is rarely tested. It is not as big a deal as made out for many, since many people did not even know they had it.
Other recover and never get another attack. These are the fortunate ones.
I have tested for it currently. Did not have it at the time. I also did a long term test, called IgG I think.
Unfortunately it did not distinguish between HSV1 (cold sores) and HSV 2 genital herpes.
My first long term test was positive.
Some time later I got another long term test and asked for HSV 2 only test. The result showed negative to HSV1 & HSV2, not what I asked for.
But seemed to indicate I never had either. This time was done by the Red Cross, previously by Ekkamai hospital I think.
The truth is you can get false positives and false negatives, so in the end, I still don't know if ever had either of them.
Seems like there is no reliable test. It is only a faint indicator. Not sure if worthwhile to get any further tests for HSV. Could be a waste of time and money.
What if I get negative again next time. Will it prove anything useful? Not really.
Never had anything that looked exactly like HSV, to my knowledge.
One doctor suggested I had a cold sore, but a skin specialist quickly refuted that and indicated.
Was a simple bacteria infection (easily treatable).
Doctors don't know much about STDs really unless they specialise in it. Normal general practitioners can have misguided education or lack of good education and experience.
One doctor tried to tell me you cannot get an STD from a BJ or from sex with a condom (or from a toilet seat) and yet, I had one, which was immediate counter evidence. So he was essentially trying to say I was lying about what encounters happened. On different occasion caught Chlamydia eye from my finger (was in pussy), so I know how easy it is to catch. Doctors should know too.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2227850]I try to avoid that by keeping my responses as short as possible and not giving him more attention than he deserves. Of course he doesn't deserve any attention at all IMO but unfortunately he gets quite a lot of attention from other BMs who seem to believe (almost) everything he's saying. Not feeding a troll only works if nobody is feeding him, so if there are people feeding him and believing him I have no choice but to stand up against him and try to do something about it.
Nevertheless I'm aware that it's most likely a waste of time. Sigh.[/QUOTE]LMAO. What a lame argument. Like the forum needs a knight in shining armor to protect poor naive rookies from falling into the clutches of the vile MP. Me thinks someone is missing rescuing bar girls, so now resorting to rescue noobs.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227698]Because MP is on ground that the respected seniors are all behind a keyboard.[/QUOTE]Talking about seniors behind a keyboard: recently you have posted in threads under Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, China, Cambodia and The Philippines. And that's just September! It takes quite some time to keep up with the posts in all those countries and write replies to them.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227861]LMAO. What a lame argument. Like the forum needs a knight in shining armor to protect poor naive rookies from falling into the clutches of the vile MP.[/QUOTE]Call it what you like but I just cannot stand trolls and other guys that clutter up the forum with all kinds of BS.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2227910]Call it what you like but I just cannot stand trolls and other guys that clutter up the forum with all kinds of BS.[/QUOTE]Last time I checked, there was no sheriff around these parts. And what you call BS may actually be valuable information to many. So then, who is the one misleading the noobs?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2227907]Talking about seniors behind a keyboard: recently you have posted in threads under Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, Indonesia, China, Cambodia and The Philippines. And that's just September! It takes quite some time to keep up with the posts in all those countries and write replies to them.[/QUOTE]I have boots on ground in Asia. And my posts (barring ones on this thread) are all contributing to the intelligence on the other threads I post. Does not take that long really. Maybe an hour every day. I guess I manage my time quite well.
Wait a second! Am I the chosen one now after MP? I must be blessed indeed.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227915]
Wait a second! Am I the chosen one now after MP? I must be blessed indeed.[/QUOTE]Enjoy it while it lasts, LOL.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2227915]Wait a second! Am I the chosen one now after MP? [/QUOTE]OMG too funny. That made my day.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2227846]"A Story About Licking Leaking Lek"..[/QUOTE]Are the boobs natural? How many hookers has Teddy Bear bonked now? Has he been tested?
[QUOTE=Lanick;2227652]Why don't the well respected senior members & MP just meet up and settle this topic once and for all?[/QUOTE]That has been done (not by me) and nobody has had an unkind word about him even if his style is not their style. I remember The Paw from another board years ago and he operated the same way. Controversial but interesting. I would be happy to buy him a drink or three and watch him in action if the opportunity arose.
Maybe it's because I lived near Hollywood but I always appreciate a good story whether it is fact or fiction.
[QUOTE=Allover;2228042]That has been done (not by me) and nobody has had an unkind word about him even if his style is not their style. I remember The Paw from another board years ago and he operated the same way. Controversial but interesting. I would be happy to buy him a drink or three and watch him in action if the opportunity arose.
Maybe it's because I lived near Hollywood but I always appreciate a good story whether it is fact or fiction.[/QUOTE]Haha. So you remember me gaining national attention with my story about the runaway girls? Haha. So funny! I started contributing to ISG when I started mongering internationally. I figure I took valuable information by lurking, so it was fair I gave back to ISG with my reports. I keep telling folks I am like God when it comes to finding UTRs (under the radar) gems. Below is how many felt about me in the past. I make ISG my home now and encourage other lurkers to subscribe and contribute.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2227423]In addition, over the long term, a typical working girl has an order of magnitude more partners than an typical punter, even if he's unusually active.
In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive. Sure, there's usually semi-informed consent, but regardless of that, condoms are such an exceedingly simple solution that reduce the risk to the girl from substantial to negligible.
Even if I'm fully capable of convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blindfolded for money, should I really be doing that?[/QUOTE]Sure, if the only thing accomplished in convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blind-folded was for the money (them) and for the sadistic thrill of watching it (you), then the exchange would be abnormal and puzzling why many would bother. But since it turns out this kind of "street crossing" provides tremendous intrinsically natural pleasure for at least one party, often for both, and in many cases more than just some money but a significant amount of money for the other party, one can now understand why that kind of "street crossing" is done countless times every day and every hour of every day.
Let's say in your "selfish and borderline abuse by blind-folded street crossing" analogy that my strongly recommended circumcision + vasectomy + recent negative test document precautions add looking both ways up and down the street right before donning the blindfold to determine there are no cars on the street as far as the eye can see, not even a parked one, before stepping off the curb. Ok, we'll allow for that one-in-a-million chance some speed racer going 200 MPH might spin out of control and out of nowhere around the corner about the time we get half-way across that street, just to give a nod to nothing being perfect. I submit a street crossing after taking that precaution, blind-folded, even at the intersection of Sukhumvit and Asok, is very likely safer than crossing the street at Sukhumvit and Asok without a blind-fold during normal traffic conditions.
Then the topic also begs the question; why not do both or all of the above? If you're so concerned about not being selfish or abusive regarding putting a sex worker, a sometimes girlfriend or a booty call at risk of disease or unwanted pregnancy even if you try to use a condom every time, why stop at merely slipping on a condom when it is well-known that in actual, real-world practice and not theoretical or hypothetical white-coated scientists in a sterile lab environment conditions, condoms can and do fail to provide anything near 100% effectiveness? Why not also get circumcised, get a vasectomy and always have a very recent negative blood check document (for at least a couple of biggies) from a qualified clinic in your possession before proceeding with that "street crossing"? Especially since it is as well-known as the data on condom use under real world conditions that establishing those latter precautions are also very effective in avoiding unwanted pregnancy and transmission of disease.
The irony is my (and others) circumcision, vasectomy and blood check procedures WERE performed in approximate white-coated scientists in sterile lab environment conditions while the real world application of a condom, especially with regard to punters and sex workers, is all too often performed under conditions that are a chaotic mess. Not least of which being both parties involved in the procedure have likely had as many as 12-15 alcoholic beverages in the 5-6 hours leading up to the procedure and at least one of the two are either consciously or subconsciously rooting for the procedure to fail to be completed or not even attempted at all.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227516]With all due respect ET for me this is not about whether you personally are a danger to your lady going BB, most likely tests not withstanding you are not. No the conversation is about the risks in going BB with somebody whose health situation is unknown. Having BB with somebody who is not a carrier of an STI other than the risk of pregnancy also nonexistent with a vasectomy, it is safe. The danger is not in transmitting it is in contacting. You can take all the precautions, washing, checking for telltale signs etc but you can never be sure the girl is not a carrier and while nothing is guaranteed by using condoms a bad outcome is significantly reduced.[/QUOTE]Well, I do think much of the discussion has also been about the punter putting the sex worker at risk of both unplanned pregnancy or disease (or boyfriend/husband re the girlfriend/wife) . I understand that might not be your primary concern or what you want to talk about. But I and others have been talking about that part of it as well.
True, the precautions I take cannot guarantee or assure the next girl I meet won't be riddled with disease and pass it along to me. Which can also happen even if you do wear a condom, BTW. But being circumcised certainly can reduce my catching some nasties (and my medical history would support that it probably did) and a recent blood test document can at least tell you how effective your precautions have been through decades of practicing them, to determine whether or not they have been working and are worth continuing.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2227856]There are various things to catch regardless of Condoms sure, however that just distracts from condoms being effective for some things. A condom that did not come off or break is unlikely to cause a pregnancy.
I agree that bare backing hookers has plenty of risks, and HSV2 is one of them, although not life threatening. The exact likelihood of catching it seems little known. Similarly for girls with pussy warts HPV, how likely to catch is that. I have felt those warts with finger in pussy on a rare occasion. I might not be keen to BBFS without learning more first. More commonly I find sponge in pussy that can cause condom tears. That is dangerous. I refuse to fuck girls with sponges normally. Can't recall the last exception. Usually can persuade them to take it out, once they finally admit it. Sponges limit penetration too much for me and feel lousy not smooth.
HSV is true is rarely tested. It is not as big a deal as made out for many, since many people did not even know they had it.
Other recover and never get another attack. These are the fortunate ones.
I have tested for it currently. Did not have it at the time. I also did a long term test, called IgG I think.
Unfortunately it did not distinguish between HSV1 (cold sores) and HSV 2 genital herpes.
My first long term test was positive.
Some time later I got another long term test and asked for HSV 2 only test. The result showed negative to HSV1 & HSV2, not what I asked for.
But seemed to indicate I never had either. This time was done by the Red Cross, previously by Ekkamai hospital I think.
The truth is you can get false positives and false negatives, so in the end, I still don't know if ever had either of them.
Seems like there is no reliable test. It is only a faint indicator. Not sure if worthwhile to get any further tests for HSV. Could be a waste of time and money.
What if I get negative again next time. Will it prove anything useful? Not really.
Never had anything that looked exactly like HSV, to my knowledge.
One doctor suggested I had a cold sore, but a skin specialist quickly refuted that and indicated.
Was a simple bacteria infection (easily treatable).
Doctors don't know much about STDs really unless they specialise in it. Normal general practitioners can have misguided education or lack of good education and experience.
One doctor tried to tell me you cannot get an STD from a BJ or from sex with a condom (or from a toilet seat) and yet, I had one, which was immediate counter evidence. So he was essentially trying to say I was lying about what encounters happened. On different occasion caught Chlamydia eye from my finger (was in pussy), so I know how easy it is to catch. Doctors should know too.[/QUOTE]My recent comprehensive physician's exam two weeks ago did not check for either HSV1 or HSV2 and I did not think to ask for one. Like you, I have never had what one could suspect after checking is a genital HSV2 outbreak. But I had childhood measles, so I assume I have some traces of HSV1 or whatever herpes strain is associated with that in my system as is the case with so many. I suppose that is the reason I have not felt it necessary to get checked for herpes. It is one of the most prevalent viruses on the planet and would likely be a rare case for it not to ever show up to some degree in a test anyway. Meanwhile, I have never had a physician push for me (or anyone else I know) getting tested for herpes. I think when you check the boxes for measles or whatever else on the admission form, that pretty much tells them what they need to know.
Buddy of mine who loves mongering in Pattaya claims to have gotten several maladies needing medical treatment even though he wears a condom during sex "all the time". Even one he got after getting a blowjob wearing a condom! Some guys are just abnormally receptive to getting anything and everything no matter the precautions they take I suppose.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2228067]Haha. So you remember me gaining national attention with my story about the runaway girls? Haha. So funny! I started contributing to ISG when I started mongering internationally. I figure I took valuable information by lurking, so it was fair I gave back to ISG with my reports. I keep telling folks I am like God when it comes to finding UTRs (under the radar) gems. Below is how many felt about me in the past. I make ISG my home now and encourage other lurkers to subscribe and contribute.[/QUOTE]I used to visit your part of the world often and read about the runaways while searching for info about girls. Can't remember all of the details but it did make you famous nationally. Glad you joined us here at ISG. You will be internationally famous in no time if you are not already.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2228156] But I had childhood measles, so I assume I have some traces of HSV1 or whatever herpes strain is associated with that in my system as is the case with so many. [/QUOTE]Can you explain why you mention measles. I had it as a child also, but don't see how relevant. HSV1 is known as "cold sores" and 65% of adult males have had it possibly higher in some countries. There are prophylactics for it, but probably not needed unless a high risk person. Valacyclovir maybe.
I don't know if I ever had cold sores. Did not have anything that looked like it, and I never had the pre tingling sensation often reported, like those who get one know its coming and can start treatment early. If we never had one before are we likely to get it late in life? No idea.
HSV2 is genital herpes but a bit less common. There is also Herpes Zoster (known as Shingles) VZV (perhaps a bit unrelated). This is possible subsequent to Chicken Pox I believe. My brother had this one with belly rashes. Other Herpes types? I heard of Epstein-Barr, human cytomegalovirus, but assume are rare. Human Herpes Virus 6 A and 6 B is little heard of but I read that most people tested have them quite possibly since age 1 month. Associated with some child illness.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2228156]
Buddy of mine who loves mongering in Pattaya claims to have gotten several maladies needing medical treatment even though he wears a condom during sex "all the time". Even one he got after getting a blowjob wearing a condom! Some guys are just abnormally receptive to getting anything and everything no matter the precautions they take I suppose.[/QUOTE]I would take what your buddy says with a grain of salt. Some guys don't even remember what they did after being drunk. LOL You can catch something from finger in pussy and then rub your dick to make it hard even before the condom went on. Some bugs are very easy to catch for some people. Fortunately HIV is not one of them.
Catching Chlamydia in one eye shows the ease of transference to a sensitive area. My dick also had it once. Probably now 20 years since my last STD, yet a buddy had a dose of Gonor in his first week in Thailand. Behaviour matters. Certain behaviours can get something very quick. Choice of girl too! The girl chose him. He had no resistance, in more than one way.
[QUOTE=Chacal60;2225995]My reglar Massage w BBBJ gal would happily take me deep and let me shoot, but dang if she'the never ever swallow. Always politely removed herself from our bed, mouth closed to hold my seed, then spit quietly in the bathroom. Nana condos but she's since moved back upcountry.[/QUOTE]Hi Chacal,
Can you empty your inbox, it's full and I can't answer your last email.
Thank you.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2227423]In addition, over the long term, a typical working girl has an order of magnitude more partners than an typical punter, even if he's unusually active.
In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive. Sure, there's usually semi-informed consent, but regardless of that, condoms are such an exceedingly simple solution that reduce the risk to the girl from substantial to negligible.
Even if I'm fully capable of convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blindfolded for money, should I really be doing that?[/QUOTE]Depends on the street. I think asking for BBFS is comparable to asking someone to cross the street blindfolded in a very quiet rural area after midnight, when there's hardly any traffic.
The problem is (as always in safe sex discussions) that most people think it's comparable to asking someone to cross Sukhumvit Road blindfolded in the rush hour.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227802]Just a few questions to ask all you doubters.
Do the waters part for you when you want to get to Koh Larn?
Does that bottle of cheap plonk turn to a Grand Cru when you open it?
Does that ugly fugly you bar fined last night turn into a beautiful girl after she has spent a night with you?
Do the satangs in the begging bowls of the unfortunates turn to gold when you pass you hand over them?
Do the people follow you up the mound to listen to you tell them how to up their game?
Can you buy three large double cheeseburgers and feed 500 people?
No? I didn't think so oh ye of little faith.
Then why do you want to question on this forum the power and the glory of the special one who can.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2228067]I keep telling folks I am like God when it comes to finding UTRs (under the radar) gems. [/QUOTE]You were right Franciscass. This guy really thinks he's God. (Insert vomiting emoticon here.)
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2228189]Can you explain why you mention measles. I had it as a child also, but don't see how relevant. HSV1 is known as "cold sores" and 65% of adult males have had it possibly higher in some countries. There are prophylactics for it, but probably not needed unless a high risk person. Valacyclovir maybe.
[/QUOTE]No reason except a misstatement on my part. LOL. I did have measles as a child. And the mumps. And scarlet fever. A fun childhood. But I meant to reference chickenpox there. Had that, too. And I definitely had a couple of cold sores along the way. But haven't had any recurrence of anything like those things since I was a kid.
Interesting the way the doctor referenced one benign result on my latest comprehensive exam; he said there are trace indications of "exposure" to this or that virus and showed me something indicating it on the computer monitor screen. Then he laughed and said, BTW, that is totally normal since just being in a hospital meant I have been "exposed" to certain viruses and means nothing with regard to actually being infected by them. The instruments are refined enough to pick up that kind of thing. Impressive. I wonder how many patients hear the first part of that kind of presentation, go deaf from shock, never hear or fully comprehend the next part and then limp out of the hospital certain they are doomed. We joked about how the only thing I could do to improve my exam results was to avoid hospitals at all cost. Oh, and maybe reduce my consumption of red meat a bit. LOL.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227802]Just a few questions to ask all you doubters.
Do the waters part for you when you want to get to Koh Larn?
Does that bottle of cheap plonk turn to a Grand Cru when you open it?
Does that ugly fugly you bar fined last night turn into a beautiful girl after she has spent a night with you?
Do the satangs in the begging bowls of the unfortunates turn to gold when you pass you hand over them?
Do the people follow you up the mound to listen to you tell them how to up their game?
Can you buy three large double cheeseburgers and feed 500 people?
No? I didn't think so oh ye of little faith.
Then why do you want to question on this forum the power and the glory of the special one who can.[/QUOTE]All of those things are nice. But, despite the claims of game and magical powers, there was near zero written evidence (by him) to suggest MonkeyPaw was getting anything close to a True sexual/GFE in Thailand until he finally took heed of the sage advice from the seniors here for how and where to find it and to at least start expecting and negotiating for some in exchange for the massive amount of money he has to spend just to meet girls and take their photo. LOL.
imo, it is still doubtful he has yet to achieve that behind closed doors from the low grade erotic pulp fiction way he composes his sex session scenarios.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2227846]You got me. I know when I have been caught red handed in a lie. I have to admit, I have this sick obsession about browsing through various websites showing promo pics of hot girls and then making up fantasies about them. Sometimes I would go too far and try to find other random girls that look very similar to the ones on the promo websites, and take pictures. Just so I can make myself seem more credible. But you have to admit, I do a pretty good job at finding matches that somewhat resembles the website photos. The girl below doesn't quite look 100% like the actual girl in the promo website, but still pretty close. Wouldn't you agree? I've attached both pictures so folks can compare and to show you how hard I work at trying to find similar matches. I'm not perfect. Can't always get the girls to pose for pictures. So I can only do my best. Strangely, my best sure seems slightly, but not by much, better than most on here. There was a time when posted pics on my stories and reports would often showed the number of times they have been viewed. I can honestly say, I didn't click on my own photos 200 times, so apparently I do have an audience and following that knows how read and to enjoy. And for them, it's story time again. I will need a little bit of quiet and some attention please. SNIP[/QUOTE]Please allow me to revise my judgement of the great Paw. Yup, almost every time you have provided a pic with the cum stained bear in it. Proof enough for me and I stand down. Mostly. The post that I was referring too is the one that took place at The Heidelberg Hotel. This post about VeeVee. [URL]http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?2677-Bangkok-Reports&p=2136144&viewfull=1[/URL]#post2136144.
I will not say that it is impossible to find attractive talent there. It could happen. I stand by my conclusion that in this instance you were just fucking with us rather than sharing valuable intel like you normally do. That place is Hag Central. As for the 2 pics attached, I see very high quality photography and no bear. So perhaps my peace flag is off white? You clearly are a photographer by profession or have missed your calling.
PS sometimes I would rather read your intel than the ever pervasive Theory of Mongering that fills these boards. But that is what happens when the Mongering Capital of the World has been trampled and written about for decades. Unfortunately we cannot all be Natty Bumpo, my vote for BM of The Year.
As so often happens on the forum there is a lot of tooing and froing on an issue yet when you boil it down there really aren't any fundamental differences.
So, I feel we can all agree that if you're circumcised, had a vasectomy, test regularly, wash before and after, check your partner for telltale signs and pray to your god before and after you are being more than responsible and careful in staying healthy.
I feel we can all agree wearing a condom is not an absolute guarantee nothing bad will happen. We all know somebody who always wore a condom but now has 18 grandchildren, somebody who always wore a condom but still contacted a rare virus, his dick shriveled up and disappeared and somebody who also always wore a condom and now goes around carrying his balls in a wheelbarrow.
We can all agree that what goes on between informed consenting adults in what they do and what risks they take is nobody's business but their own.
But let's also admit the reality that unprotected sex is not as safe as protected sex.
To deny that is to join the climate change deniers, the flat earth society, those that tell you the guy sitting beside you in the go go is part of the vanguard from another galaxy and that MP is for real.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2228311]Please allow me to revise my judgement of the great Paw. Yup, almost every time you have provided a pic with the cum stained bear in it. [/QUOTE]Except that the chick in the white shirt holding the teddy bear looks like a post op lady boy. It's not surprising that one gave a good BJ.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2228030]Are the boobs natural? How many hookers has Teddy Bear bonked now? Has he been tested?[/QUOTE]If you are referring to the girl in the story below. I wouldn't know. It's all made up. I only grabbed a girl from the streets who looked like the girl in the promo picture and fed her a homemade meatless spaghetti dinner in exchange for the pictures. Yes, I don't eat meat. That keeps me under a BMI of 21. But you have to admit, I can often find girls who somewhat resemble those pics.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2227846]"A Story About Licking Leaking Lek".
Getting to fucking a Go Go bar girl is easy. Getting to fucking a hot Go Go bar girl is harder. Now getting to fuck hot Go Go bar girl while she is still wearing her dance or club outfit is the hardest. (Actually, there is one that is more difficult. Fucking a hot Go Go bar girl while "you" are wearing her dance outfit, might be impossible. But I rather not know). Now on with the story of Leaking Lek. It is rumored on somewhere on Walking Street is a girl who gets off on the pleasures of her own hands and is able to gush. She does this on request or just for the hell of it because she wants to. Many have gone in search of her hoping to quench their own thirst for the nectar that flows from her love mound. Because as legend tells it, there are powers, like eternal youth, gained from its consumption. This is a story in search of this mythical nymph named Lek. For those of you who honestly get bored of your own routine when it comes to sex. Variety is the spice of life, but sometimes even that gets boring, same routine with a different girl..[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2227802]Just a few questions to ask all you doubters.
Do the waters part for you when you want to get to Koh Larn?
Does that bottle of cheap plonk turn to a Grand Cru when you open it?
Does that ugly fugly you bar fined last night turn into a beautiful girl after she has spent a night with you?
Do the satangs in the begging bowls of the unfortunates turn to gold when you pass you hand over them?
Do the people follow you up the mound to listen to you tell them how to up their game?
Can you buy three large double cheeseburgers and feed 500 people?
Then why do you want to question on this forum the power and the glory of the special one who can.[/QUOTE]Do you find yourself magically transformed into an interesting person after sitting in the back of a plane all night?
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6204801/Bodies-missing-British-millionaire-wife-found.html[/URL]
A report here of a British millionaire murdered by his Thai inlaws. Note how quickly their car was sold and sold again. Dangerous networks Mr Farang knows norhing about.
[QUOTE=Allover;2228184]I used to visit your part of the world often and read about the runaways while searching for info about girls. Can't remember all of the details but it did make you famous nationally. Glad you joined us here at ISG. You will be internationally famous in no time if you are not already.[/QUOTE]Do you remember how I used to post pics of the girls holding my favorite "I've beenMonkeypawed" sign? Those were the good ole days when I was just coming into my own. And I did that shit where prostitution was illegal and banned. It drew attention from everybody on the internet. Monkeypaw was able to turn normal "the girls next door" type into hot hookers. All the professionals seasoned female escorts in the USA got all angry and accused me of being a pimp. I was just bored and having fun. The escorts hated me, some refused to book me, so I would find my own newbies and UTR girls. Then I always shared. Funny as fuck, those days! That's why I keep telling folks here. When will they realize that having Monkeypaw as contributing member on their board is a a GOOD thing.
If anybody wonders what it means to "have been Monkeypawed," then here is a small list of some Monkeypaw antics.
1. If it's sprinkling rain on Walking Street, and a random stranger goes under your umbrella and walks with you. You are getting Monkeypawed.
2. Once inside a Go Go club, if you and your friends are unnecessarily hogging up seats, and a random stranger tells you with his hands to move closer together, so he can sit. Then you've just been Monkeypawed.
3. If the dancer whom you bought a drink for and are sitting with, is smiling, chatting, and filling the drink glass belonging to some random guy on the other side of her. You are getting Monkeypawed.
4. If you sitting with a draft beer mug, minding your own business, and a random customer across the club plays beer pong in your drink. And a ping pong ball has found its way in your mug. You've been Monkeypawed.
5. If you are sitting close to the stage, behaving creepily, and keep getting pounced on the back and side of your head with ping pong balls. You are getting Monkeypawed.
6. If you are a dancer and you hear the bell ring for "buy all ladies on stage a drink," and then you aren't given one by the waitress. You have been Monkeypawed.
7. When you are at a Go Go bar and the waitress brings you back your change from paying the bill. You count your change, decide to leave nothing. But then a random stranger snatches 40 baht from your hands and leaves it on the metal tray. You've been Monkeypawed.
8. If you are leaving the club with the girl you barfined, and on the way out, she smiles, winks, and touches some random guy. You've been Monkeypawed.
9. When you are having sex and hear her yell anything resembling Monkeypaw's real name, or heck, even if your hear an "Oh my God," you are getting Monkeypawed.
10. And lastly, if you find yourself constantly hiding behind a keyboard, always complaining, and trolling a targeted user, instead of going out and living life. You've been Monkeypawed. You are getting Monkeypawed. And you will be Monkeypawed, always.
I could keep going on and on. But mercy. Just keep in mind that should the spirit of Monkeypaw should be a way for living life, freely, and without fear from what others say or think. But to always know that deep down you are true blue and GOOD. That there is true freedom in this world of hell. Most who engage in P4 P on this board already have a bit of this spirit in them. We know that paying for pussy gives us more freedom, while the rest of the world lives in their fantasy land of marriage and relationships. Now those who understand this just step up a bit, and you will enter into Monkeypaw's world.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2228322]
But let's also admit the reality that unprotected sex is not as safe as protected sex.
To deny that is to join the climate change deniers[/QUOTE]There are risks in both driving the car and sitting on the roof of the car. One is exciting and the risks do go up but sitting under that open sunroof let's in some of the danger. The safest alternative is to stay at home on abstinence Blvd. Climate change is like taking a hike in the woods, always pack up the shit you brought in with you. Please start taking those used condoms home with you.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2228322]
But let's also admit the reality that unprotected sex is not as safe as protected sex.
To deny that is to join the climate change deniers, the flat earth society, those that tell you the guy sitting beside you in the go go is part of the vanguard from another galaxy and that MP is for real.[/QUOTE]I don't think I have read anyone disagreeing about that and asserting unprotected sex is as safe as protected (condom) sex. I have only been asserting that there are definitely ways to go bareback and BE safer for the girl (and yourself) than relying only on the way condoms are applied all too often in the real world and not in pristine lab conditions.
So, since you are aware that being circumcised, getting a vasectomy, always having a recent negative blood check document and the other things you mentioned are known to reduce the risk of unplanned pregnancy and transmission of disease and, I would argue, will always be safer for both parties than meaning well but occasionally "forgetting" to put on a condom, being too drunk to put one on properly, having one slip off, break, tear or simply not be insisted upon by the girl crawling into bed with you, have you taken those measures to make sure you and the girl are as safe as you know you could be no matter what happens to or with a condom?
If you have not, then I submit you are also among the climate change deniers and flat earth proponents in thinking you are doing enough to be safer by putting a condom in your pocket on the way out the door to monger.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2228961]If you have not, then I submit you are also among the climate change deniers and flat earth proponents in thinking you are doing enough to be safer by putting a condom in your pocket on the way out the door to monger.[/QUOTE]ET,
With respect you're conflating a situation where condoms are not properly used with when they are properly used. Of course if for whatever reason a condom either malfunctions or is not used then the risks are no different than going BB. In those circumstances I agree with you, the precautions you take puts you in a better position. That said putting on a condom is simple, the girl usually has one or as lots of members do they bring their own. I agree with you they are never a 100% guarantee, you agree with me they are safer than no condom. So we agree? At least I think we agree.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2227423]In addition, over the long term, a typical working girl has an order of magnitude more partners than an typical punter, even if he's unusually active.
In my opinion, given the higher risk of HIV for the women, this makes a man demanding BBFS from a sex worker selfish and borderline abusive. Sure, there's usually semi-informed consent, but regardless of that, condoms are such an exceedingly simple solution that reduce the risk to the girl from substantial to negligible.
Even if I'm fully capable of convincing someone to voluntarily cross the street blindfolded for money, should I really be doing that?[/QUOTE]The guy's logic maybe that he is much less likely to have HIV than she is, since he was tested not long ago. This is true. She may not be being exposed to further risk. It's all those other guys she already did that were ambi-dextrous or drug users, etc.
Girls should say no to any type of weird guys, and better still see his recent test results, and charge him a lot of money and be sure of good birth control, etc.
I know I have put girls out of action temporarily due to uterus bruising not STDs, and I don't even pound at all. You could argue I am selfish to want to fuck girls at all, but it might be using too much imagination. Even kissing the girls can give her a bad cold or the flu. There are always risks of various types.
Even condoms can break and girl can get pregnant. That is more likely than giving her HIV.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2228386]If you are referring to the girl in the story below. I wouldn't know. It's all made up. I only grabbed a girl from the streets who looked like the girl in the promo picture and fed her a homemade meatless spaghetti dinner in exchange for the pictures. Yes, I don't eat meat. That keeps me under a BMI of 21. But you have to admit, I can often find girls who somewhat resemble those pics.[/QUOTE]I know you are only a pimp for the teddy bear. Does Teddy Bear Back them? Does teddy does tree-sums.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2228311]Not say that it is impossible to find attractive talent there. It could happen. I stand by my conclusion that in this instance you were just fucking with us...[/QUOTE]To be able to "fuck" with others, means that person has power over others. A homeless man living on the streets cannot fuck with another person about where to find the best guest friendly hotels. A person with HIV cannot fuck with others about advice for best safe sex practices. A 3 year old cannot fuck with an adult about is Santa Claus real or not. You realize where this conversation is heading right? It goes back what I have always said. We all are playing in different worlds, at different levels, with different powers. Just like P4P, you can't fuck with those who aren't willing.
P.S. Natty gets my vote too. His reviews are better. Mine just have "a life" of their own.
Mr. Paw,
I appreciate your posts, but numbers 4, 5 and 7 in my neck of the woods gets you 86 ed at the best and the shit kicked out of you at the worst. Just my 2 satangs.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2229088]I know you are only a pimp for the teddy bear. Does Teddy Bear Back them? Does teddy does tree-sums.[/QUOTE]The teddy bear protects them from my bad behavior and antics. Like the snake in the bathroom.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2229138]Mr. Paw,
I appreciate your posts, but numbers 4, 5 and 7 in my neck of the woods gets you 86 ed at the best and the shit kicked out of you at the worst. Just my 2 satangs.[/QUOTE]You must either be an Aussie or a Texan. LOL. I'm an Aussie and thinking the same.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2229278]The teddy bear protects them from my bad behavior and antics. Like the snake in the bathroom.[/QUOTE]It looks like Teddy is defending the young lady's honour from the snake, which could have a spy cam in its mouth. How about a photo of teddy face fucking one of the young ladies, or maybe spit roasting her with the snake?
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2228785]
4. If you sitting with a draft beer mug, minding your own business, and a random customer across the club plays beer pong in your drink. And a ping pong ball has found its way in your mug. You've been Monkeypawed.
[/QUOTE]Ping Pong balls are extremely childish and indicate you are dumb enough to be sucked in by the management.
1. Means you are giving random tips, to any stupid girl lucky enough to catch one, or particularly to more aggressive girls.
2. You are happy that the owner rakes in at least 50% of the pong tips.
Girls occasionally get injured in the mad scramble to grab a pong.
If you are smart, you give cash tips to only those that deserve it, and where you are looking to have those girls com back to you in the future. Don't waste 50% of your tips on the owner.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2229458]You must either be an Aussie or a Texan. LOL. I'm an Aussie and thinking the same.[/QUOTE]Alaskan. Ya don't do shit like that in the AK.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2229533]Alaskan. Ya don't do shit like that in the AK.[/QUOTE]LOL. There are some things no one should mess with.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2229494]If you are smart, you give cash tips to only those that deserve it, and where you are looking to have those girls com back to you in the future. Don't waste 50% of your tips on the owner.[/QUOTE]Tips if applied intelligently and regularly yield special attention and better service in your favorite places. I was taught the art of the tip from experts a long time ago. For example one mentor of mine used to like dropping by his favorite Chicago steak house on Friday nights around 8 pm without a reservation. Waiting time normally would have been an hour or more for a walk in customer without a reservation, but he did not need a reservation because he tipped strategically and generously every time he went there. Thus everyone that mattered at that steak house knew him. The owner, the matre 'd, the chef, and the waitresses. The result was he always got a table without waiting. He was always brought his favorite scotch without asking and his meal was always prepared just the way he liked it. It was something to see!
On a similar, but much lesser level, I strategically tip in my favorite Go Go's and Bordellos as well and receive similar results. For example in regards to Crazy House and Baccara, before my Mini quit working there, I never had to buy a drink before entering, My 2 favorite CH waitress know exactly where I like to sit, what I like to order initially, and which girls I come to see. Woe to some poor Korean chap who is taking up too much space in my corner. LOL. Fat waitress will dispatch him with efficiency. It's like they don't know what is happening except they have to move over fast or be verbally abused. LOL. Mamasan knows me well too and gives me special considerations even when she has not seen me for 10 months. All the girls notice the special treatment I receive even though I am currently only seeing 3 CH girls. But my point is, CH is my home bar and I am treated really well there. If you don't care about these kind of things or are not in a position to take advantage of them, then don't tip.
The art of the tip, thus, is to generously tip those individuals who appreciate your tip and are in a position to give you the special attention and service that you seek. To tip others or to tip broadly for non specific reason is a waste IMHO. I partuclarly dislike doorman who have the gaul to ask for a tip for doing absolutely nothing as I am leaving certain bordellos. I blame management for this bad behavior of their employees.
The Ping Pong gimmick is not my thing either. I even dislike witnessing it on those rare occasions when mostly NE Asian punters engage in it in certain Go Go's. Not only do I think it is a conspicuous waste of money, I also think it is demeaning to the girls. It is not question of whether you can afford to throw money away. It is a question of A) Respect for money and B) Respect for the girls. But hey, if some of you guys like to do it, then do it. I am not trying to criticize anyone in particular, but I do think you can get more bang for your buck in other ways. 555.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2229837]
On a similar, but much lesser level, I strategically tip in my favorite Go Go's and Bordellos as well and receive similar results. For example in regards to Crazy House and Baccara, before my Mini quit working there, I never had to buy a drink before entering, My 2 favorite CH waitress know exactly where I like to sit, what I like to order initially, and which girls I come to see. Woe to some poor Korean chap who is taking up too much space in my corner. LOL. Fat waitress will dispatch him with efficiency. It's like they don't know what is happening except they have to move over fast or be verbally abused. LOL. Mamasan knows me well too and gives me special considerations even when she has not seen me for 10 months. All the girls notice the special treatment I receive even though I am currently only seeing 3 CH girls. But my point is, CH is my home bar and I am treated really well there. If you don't care about these kind of things or are not in a position to take advantage of them, then don't tip.
[/QUOTE]You almost fooled me here. For a moment I thought I was reading one of MP's posts about his 'special powers'. Be careful Natty, before you know it you start bragging about your 'game' LOL.
Only joking of course.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2229879]You almost fooled me here. For a moment I thought I was reading one of MP's posts about his 'special powers'.[/QUOTE]555. That's funny.
With the Thai Government seeming to relax regulations on marijunana and kratom for medical use how easy or reliable is it so get some quality weed in Bangkok or Pattaya? Would it still be a no go zone filled with corrupt cops trying to set up poor farang tourists for a cheap payoff or are the authorities catching up to the West?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2229879]You almost fooled me here. For a moment I thought I was reading one of MP's posts about his 'special powers'. Be careful Natty, before you know it you start bragging about your 'game' LOL.
Only joking of course.[/QUOTE]We were in CH 2 weeks ago and the ladies were pretty bad. Then the Japanese and their habit of chain smoking while drinking. A couple of Japanese sat out side our table and when one brought an ashtray I told him no not here and he was humble enough to take it away. I noticed that 80% of the men were Japanese. When we tried to enter we were stopped and told we have to order outside before we entered. I know the fat mamasan and told them to call her. I want a good seat before I ordered. They backed off and a server showed us to our table.
My buddy had an offer from 95 and she was wired up on something, couldn't sit still. He bought her a drink and they discussed prices and he choked. 700 BF and 3000ST. I would rate her as an 6 out of ten. And that s being generous. We also stopped at LoLi__s and the girls were horrible. Noticed many clubs closed in Soi Cowboy. The Coyotes were very quiet and not aggressive. I tried to talk to a few but I don't think that any of them can speak English. Like they are just in from the country and in training on the outside. Went to Thermae on Thursday night and it was closed. Didn't try again as GF just arrived the next day.
RL.
[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2230241]With the Thai Government seeming to relax regulations on marijunana and kratom for medical use how easy or reliable is it so get some quality weed in Bangkok or Pattaya? Would it still be a no go zone filled with corrupt cops trying to set up poor farang tourists for a cheap payoff or are the authorities catching up to the West?[/QUOTE]You are posting in the right forum. Give it a shot and if you can smuggle any phones or tablets into the "Bangkok Hilton" write a post and tell us all how it worked out!!
[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2230241]With the Thai Government seeming to relax regulations on marijunana and kratom for medical use how easy or reliable is it so get some quality weed in Bangkok or Pattaya? Would it still be a no go zone filled with corrupt cops trying to set up poor farang tourists for a cheap payoff or are the authorities catching up to the West?[/QUOTE]Go to Laos or Cambo. Or if you know somebody, you can get away with it upcountry. If the person you know is a "somebody".
Otherwise. Forget it in Bangkok and never in Pattaya. Ya Dong is a good substitute, especially if you get it from a mc taxi dude instead of 7-11.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2230495]Go to Laos or Cambo. Or if you know somebody, you can get away with it upcountry. If the person you know is a "somebody".
Otherwise. Forget it in Bangkok and never in Pattaya. Ya Dong is a good substitute, especially if you get it from a mc taxi dude instead of 7-11.[/QUOTE]Its really too bad that Thailand and SE Asia are still in the stone ages when it comes to marijuana. Sometimes its really nice to chill out with a joint on a beach but I guess not for another few decades with the way things go in these places of the World.
[QUOTE=PaulAlbert;2230241]With the Thai Government seeming to relax regulations on marijunana and kratom for medical use how easy or reliable is it so get some quality weed in Bangkok or Pattaya? Would it still be a no go zone filled with corrupt cops trying to set up poor farang tourists for a cheap payoff or are the authorities catching up to the West?[/QUOTE]I never heard of kratom (GraThom). So had to look it up.
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My GF reckons she can order Ganja (marijuana) from Bangkok and go pick it up from the Post Office. However she pulls my leg a lot, so not sure if she is just kidding. Her own Bush keeled over. Seems its an annual. I had few clues myself, not a smoker of any type. She would not take it into town. That would be dangerous. Police do exist and would want bribes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230626]I never heard of kratom (GraThom). So had to look it up.
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My GF reckons she can order Ganja (marijuana) from Bangkok and go pick it up from the Post Office. However she pulls my leg a lot, so not sure if she is just kidding. Her own Bush keeled over. Seems its an annual. I had few clues myself, not a smoker of any type. She would not take it into town. That would be dangerous. Police do exist and would want bribes.[/QUOTE]Lot of the upcountry folks grow it as a medicinal herb, brewing a tea or mixing it with food. I have seen grannies smoke it. But no Granny is going to get busted, whilst Mr. Stoner Falang is.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2230495]Ya Dong is a good substitute, especially if you get it from a mc taxi dude instead of 7-11.[/QUOTE]Ya dong a substitute for marijuana? Not really as it is a liquor to drink and not to smoke. It's made of Thai white alcohol (very cheap) with some medicinal herbs. You can find many different ones used for healing this or that illness, or to help your dick to get up and many other things that I'm not aware of. And there is no way to find this stuff in a 7-11 as it's not an industrial product.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230626]I never heard of kratom (GraThom). So had to look it up.
[/QUOTE]Now that is a shocker. Something that you didn't know. There was even a big to do a few years back about some white chick dying in Phuket because they used it in some adult beverages.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2230674]Ya dong a substitute for marijuana? Not really as it is a liquor to drink and not to smoke. It's made of Thai white alcohol (very cheap) with some medicinal herbs. You can find many different ones used for healing this or that illness, or to help your dick to get up and many other things that I'm not aware of. And there is no way to find this stuff in a 7-11 as it's not an industrial product.[/QUOTE]1. The first part was a joke.
2. Green bottle. White liquor with herbs I'm told. Lower shelves here in Thonburi. My friend always tries to get me to drink it.
While weed is widely available, caught buying even a few grams is risking a minimum of 50 K potentially a lot more and even possible doing some time. Absolutely not advisable sourcing it on the fly.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2230674]Ya dong a substitute for marijuana? Not really as it is a liquor to drink and not to smoke. It's made of Thai white alcohol (very cheap) with some medicinal herbs. You can find many different ones used for healing this or that illness, or to help your dick to get up and many other things that I'm not aware of. And there is no way to find this stuff in a 7-11 as it's not an industrial product.[/QUOTE]Nope I don't think Ya Dong is going to help get your dick up at all. I previously imagined the Ya Dong at gogo bars used herbs for flavouring only. It does may the girls less self conscious, more raunchy and more horny. I saw one very shy bar girl turned into a raging raunchy ****. LOL This is from the alcohol mostly. I doubt if they put Ganja or similar herbs in the Ya Dong, but you never know. Tasted likes cloves, cinnamon etc. At Crazy House.
GF makes her own Yaa Dong sometimes. Lao Khao (white spirit) with honey and 12 herbs she says. She can't even say which herbs are used. Thais regard almost all herbs "Samoon Phrai" as "Yaa" medicinal. They even consider honey to be a medicine.
Chartreuse is a very strong sweet liquor with herbal flavouring, also good for getting girls drunk, in western countries.
I guess Ya Dong is a bit like a back woods variety (and not so sweet).
Even heard that one bottl of beer per day is "Yaa" medicinal, but more than that bad for your health. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230909]GF makes her own Yaa Dong sometimes. Lao Khao (white spirit) with honey and 12 herbs she says. She can't even say which herbs are used. Thais regard almost all herbs "Samoon Phrai" as "Yaa" medicinal. They even consider honey to be a medicine.[/QUOTE]Its an Asian thing. My ex Japanese used to say, even for normal foods "eat, good for body". Natto. Exceptional for body.
I was told that medical marijuana is on the ballot and will be voted on in 2019. Maybe there is still hope.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230909]Nope I don't think Ya Dong is going to help get your dick up at all.[/QUOTE]Once I was staying with a so called GF in Pattaya and I was prescribed a lot of antibiotics for a skin infection that came from the dirty water they used during Songkran. I had a hard time and my dick couldn't get up at all and back then I didn't want to take Vitamine V or some pills. Then the GF suggested that we go and find some Yaa dong to drink because it was known for making people horny. So we took my bike and made a round of all the places that might have some, and they were all making some jokes when they knew for wich reason we wanted to buy that stuff. They 've got a lot of variety, each one is supposed to heal one illness. Anyway the one that we took had the same effect than alcohol for me, didn't get my tool up but it sent me to sleep pretty quickly. I recall that the GF liked it a lot though. In western Europe the "Bois bandé" that comes from French Antilla is well know for that also (some alcohol liquor with a special piece of wood inside, I drank that also but didn't see the effects).
Another time I had another GF in Bkk who was doing her Yaa dong herself, but that one was for medicinal use only and she would never drink that for getting horny. She was told by a Chinese herborist that by putting these herbs and drinking this stuff everyday, that could heal a cancer.
She didn't want to tell about the cancer but I suspect that she was probably infected by the HPV Virus and someone told her that it will surely become a cancer in the next years and she tried to heal that by a "natural" way.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2230909]They even consider honey to be a medicine.[/QUOTE]There is sufficient evidence to show honey has medicinal properties. The issue with allopathy (the treatment of disease by conventional means, I. E. With drugs having effects opposite to the symptoms) that is most commonly used in the western world, is that it considers all other forms of treatment as inferior and "unscientific". Of course, that is mere narrative so the big pharma companies can continue to make their billions.
Here is a proper research article on the medicinal properties of honey. Read when you have time.
[URL]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3609166/[/URL]
I've seen that this thread has kind of fizzed out with regards to controversy. In other words boredom is creeping in. I haven't found time to respond to most of the comments directed towards me, well. Because I've been a bit busy hunting girls, fucking girls, and living life amongst other important things like eating, sleeping, and showering (with soap). But soon, I promise to bring some 'life" back to this thread. I know a Monkeypawless Stupid Shit in Thailand thread is rather "lifeless" and not as entertaining. And we are all here for the show, aren't we?
Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff. ".
On the way up was a bridge over a cascading stream they had to cross; and under the bridge lived a great ugly troll, with eyes as big as saucers, and a nose as long as a poker.
So first of all came the youngest Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge. Trip, trap, trip, trap went the bridge.
"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll. "Oh, it is only I, the tiniest Billy Goat Gruff, and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the billy goat, with such a small voice. "Now, I'm coming to gobble you up," said the troll. "Oh, no! Pray don't take me. I'm too little, that I am," said the billy goat. "Wait a bit till the second Billy Goat Gruff comes. He's much bigger."
"Well, be off with you," said the troll.
A little while after came the second Billy Goat Gruff to cross the bridge. Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap, went the bridge.
"Who's that tripping over my bridge?" roared the troll. "Oh, it's the second Billy Goat Gruff, and I'm going up to the hillside to make myself fat," said the billy goat, who hadn't such a small voice.
"Now I'm coming to gobble you up" said the troll. "Oh, no! Don't take me. Wait a little till the big Billy Goat Gruff comes. He's much bigger. " "Very well! Be off with you," said the troll.
But just then up came the big Billy Goat Gruff. Trip, trap, trip, trap, trip, trap! Went the bridge, for the billy goat was so heavy that the bridge creaked and groaned under him. "Who's that tramping over my bridge?" roared the troll. "It's I! The big Billy Goat Gruff," said the billy goat, who had an ugly hoarse voice of his own. "Now I 'm coming to gobble you up," roared the troll.
Well, come along! I've got two spears, And I'll poke your eyeballs out at your ears;.
I've got besides two curling-stones.
And I'll crush you to bits, body and bones.
That was what the big billy goat said. And then he flew at the troll, and poked his eyes out with his horns, and crushed him to bits, body and bones, and tossed him out into the cascade, and after that he went up to the hillside. There the billy goats got so fat they were scarcely able to walk home again. And if the fat hasn't fallen off them, why, they're still fat; and so, Snip, snap, snout. This tale's told out.
Lessons to learn from the story.
1. A troll shouldn't really want to fuck with any GOAT, whether smallest or the biggest.
2. Big Billy Goat Gruff and the troll, one represents confidence and the other represents arrogance. Which is which?
3. The troll should just probably stay under the bridge rather than face the Big Billy GOAT, any GOAT for the matter, because there are many many more.
4. Goats share. Trolls think everything belongs to them. My bridge, my fields mentality.
5. Not that I need affirmation of what am, but it's nice that there a hints to who or what I am in this Game of Life. See photo.
Anyone else wonder what ever came of Bangkok Roughguide? If there's already a thread on the forum about this, point the way. I miss that place!
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2236635]I'm not of this world[/QUOTE]Let me guess: you are from the planet of the apes.
Few years ago, the Raja Hotel near Nana was the place to go in case when your dick was tired of Thai pussy and you had an itch for some Russian or European girls. The girls will sometimes linger around the lobby or smoke outside the hotel. But to get access them, you still had to work your way through a pimp and was escorted to a floor where you can walk room to room to room and inspect the girls one by one. Those days are long gone and the white girl freelancer action has dwindle, unless you do the clubs and pay crazy ass prices. Awhile back I asked "where to find them" and got no response from anyone. Sucks don't it? The moment you realize you don't know shit, when being asked something. Now, after receiving no help, I decided to walk around do some recon on my own and got pointed to the Grace Hotel and Royal Garden Hotel near Nana. While there is some talent with regards to Russian and European freelancers in those two hotels, none of them were to Monkeypaw's taste. If I told you why, it will just make some folks a little bit upset because perhaps it is what they like and find as delish. So to save the drama, I won't. Anyways, one night, when headed towards Nana at around 9 ish, I had to take a serious dump from some burn your asshole Indian food I ate earlier. Honestly, I need to stay away from that shit, literally, for it will fuck up your guts. But that garlic naan, it is so damn yummy. I ended up taking a detour down Soi 5 and into the Amari Boulevard Hotel to use their bathrooms. Here is the Monkeypaw helpful hint of the day. If you are ever in need of a nice toilet, and your hotel is far away. Don't be afraid to walk into a 4 or 5 star hotel and use their nice lobby bathrooms. Nobody is going to ask you anything unless you look Thai. What I normally do is walk in and tip the doorman 20 baht. I would then go looking for the restroom. If I can't find it, I will ask him and he always points me into the right direction. He will always remember you courtesy of that 20 baht tip. This only works at 4 or 5 star hotels with huge nice lobbies, not the smaller boutique hotels. This was the first time I had been inside the Amari Boulevard and it was jackpot. In the lobby, on the right, by the coffee shop huddled a bunch of Russian or European girls ranging from early to late 20's at several tables. After I went to the bathroom to release the massive Kraken built up inside my bowels, I walked over to one of those small tables with the two cutest white girls in the group, a blond and brunette. Monkeypaw, of course, having huge balls, is not afraid to hunt alone or like this. I live for this "taking chances" kind of shit. You are in the fucking Land of Smiles and everybody here apparently loves money, so what have you got to lose? Your pride? From some of the stories I've read and some of the photos I've seen, that ship has long sailed away is lost somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle. Take note of these Monkeypaw instructions and follow them carefully. I approached the table with the two girls and pretended that this was my first time to Thailand. This is to gauge if they are tourists or working girls. They smiled and told me about several places to eat and things to do in the area, not once mentioning Nana Plaza which is about 200 meters away. Why you might ask? It's because these girls know that Nana is their competition. So of course I played dumb and asked them about Soi Cowboy which was further away. They asked me why I wanted to go there? I answered because I heard there where pretty girls I can go look at. The Russian girls then told me that they will just take my money with drinks and give me nothing. That was their cue to who they really are and it means "game on. " I need not say more, you just have to be really good at understanding hidden meanings and the subliminal messages sent when hunting. I allowed these Ruskies to think they persuaded me to spend my money and my time with them instead of going to Soi Cowboy, which I had no intention. They wanted 3000 each for a threesome, but I countered them with 2000 each plus tip and a promise to see them as much as I could while I was staying at this same hotel as they. They agreed and escorted me up to their room on the 7th floor because in my room had my American black buddy, who was a former NFL player, quietly and peacefully asleep. In the room, the girls where a bit camera shy until I offered a couple hundred bahts for some faceless pics. Sorry it's the best I could do without my cute teddy bear. The teddy itself is magical. Can we all agree that it has probably seen more hot pussy than most guys alive? But before both girls would even undress, I had to pay the 2000 and tip to each girl up front. Not a big deal as I was already in the room. The threesome in itself, was not a true threesome. There was no girl on girl action, but they did start by giving me a double BBBJ at the same time that lasted about 15 minutes. From there it was a switching girls fuck-a-thon, with no pussy eating or kissing by the girls with each other. They each did take turns riding my mouth with their pussy while the other one was riding my cock. Both girls has pussy piercings and fake boobs. The brunette got mad when I bit her clit and sucked on her clitoris ring. The brunette was also rather lazy and when she came first during doggy, she got tired, quit, and went to take a bath. I think I heard her mumbled "stupid Japanese pervert" on the way to the bathroom, perhaps because I tried to shove a thumb in her ass. I was a bit disappointed, it had only been like 45 minutes worth of fuck and suck by the two. The blonde however, was more accommodating and friendly. After her friend went away, she pulled off the condom and got me hard again with a great sloppy spitty blowjob. She then fucked me hard in various positions for the whole time the other girl was taking a bath and even allowed DFK and finger in her ass during K9. She was loud and very vocal. I tried to get her to call me Putin while I was fucking her in missionary. I have a feeling that taking these girls one at a time would have been better bet. They get kinkier and nastier when alone. I ended up asking to CIM to finish with the blonde. She went to the bathroom to tell the brunette something and came back to give me a nice BBBJ ending with CIM in which she guzzled my creamy stroganoff. Ahhh, it pays off to go exploring on your own with no fear in search of hidden treasures. Now, I know exactly where to go to find some white meat. By the way the desserts and coffee served in the Amari Boulevard lobby is non nom nom.
>>>"You are in the fucking Land of Smiles and everybody here apparently loves money, so what have you got to lose? Your pride? From some of the stories I've read and some of the photos I've seen, that ship has long sailed away is lost somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle. " lmfoa. Absolutely perfect attitude, have to smile as I read and re-read, because it is so true and gives a person a good frame of mind:
" a threesome". Well I've concluded that in my fifties, I have never found a two girls at the same time worth what I could have had one at a time. Probably because I'm a cheap ass, but mostly because I have only one dick, so I tell myself. And they know they have to compete between themselves to win a customer.
"I heard her mumbled "stupid Japanese pervert" on the way to the bathroom. " My highest compliments, and a badge of honor when spoken by a prostitute.
"I have a feeling that taking these girls one at a time would have been better bet. They get kinkier and nastier when alone. ".
Amari Boulevard is a shit hotel to stay at. I stayed there once in the mid 2000's and they charged an 800 baht joiner fee to bring a girl to my room. I told them at the time that if they charge me that, I will never stay there again. Over 10 years and around 100 trips to Thailand later, I have never stayed there again and never will.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2240725]Amari Boulevard is a shit hotel to stay at. I stayed there once in the mid 2000's and they charged an 800 baht joiner fee to bring a girl to my room. I told them at the time that if they charge me that, I will never stay there again. Over 10 years and around 100 trips to Thailand later, I have never stayed there again and never will.[/QUOTE]I suspect they might have asked you to leave right away if you refused to pay. 5555. Hotels don't care a shit about guests unless you are like a Platinum member or you are staying in their Suite.
I am curious to know if the Russian girls were charged a joiner fee to take MonkeyPaw up to their room!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2240799]I suspect they might have asked you to leave right away if you refused to pay. 5555. Hotels don't care a shit about guests unless you are like a Platinum member or you are staying in their Suite.
I am curious to know if the Russian girls were charged a joiner fee to take MonkeyPaw up to their room![/QUOTE]Need to clear some things up. They apparently were not Russian, but from Kazakhstan. I had a second session with the blonde and even went out to dinner with her. She's actually a cool ass chick. It would probably take me about 5-6 times fucking her to actually get bored of her. Most girls fall in the 1-2 category. Anyways, after our meet, she gave me her VK account info. The brunette was no where to be found. No joiner fee, but I'm sure all the Euro girls in the lobby only target those who stay in the hotel. This reminds me of like the Shangri La lobby in Jakarta. Just act like tourist and there should be no issues exploring any hotel lobby for poon.
Bangkok guys are now very lucky. I just had a recent lunch with Kwan at the Emporium Helix and apparently she is out of the Pattaya Go Go bar scene for good. If you don't know who she is, there is a review below. She is one of my all time favorites. Anyways, this was my first time there to the Helix and their indoor garden landscaping for a high end shopping mall is breathtaking. By the way, if you are ever in the mood for a lobster roll sandwich, try Crab and Claw at the Emporium. Just request that they kill the lobster correctly before cooking it. It's the Monkeypaw thing to do. Back to Kwan quitting the clubs. She said she's tired of the long hours and would rather just work Thermae from now on. Getiing fucked by 2-3 customers and making 5-8000 baht before midnight is better than dancing until 4 am for 3000 baht from one guy. She jokingly mentioned that even a 2-3 hour gang bang at a 1000 baht a head would be better. She feels she is that good at making guys cum quick, but I'm not sure she was joking or what. I asked her how many guys she can handle and she giggles "sip, maybe sip et, but only one shot" Dang that's like 11,000 baht in 3 hours worth of work. That's fucking nuts. Her departure from the Go Gos is bad news for me, good news BKKians, since I spend more time in Pattaya than BKK. Besides I'm not to fond of the lack of game when it comes to simply booking a girl and then fucking her. That's too easy. Where is the fun in all that? I don't get to play around and mess with folks. Besides, she was getting lazy on her looks. Her hair is naturally a bit past her shoulders, just like when she dances. But in public at Thermae or at the mall, she wears hair extensions to make it longer. Anyways, as a send off, we did a quick fuck and suck session that night. I was a little annoyed that she wasn't looking her best when she arrived having taken off her hair extensions. But the the way she sucks a dick can always make up for it. I'm going to miss her. I'm over and done.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2233079]Before heading off to Angeles City, I was able to spend one night in Bangkok because I had an early flight in the morning. Around 9 ish, I did a quick stroll through Thermae for shrimp fried rice and to people watch a bit. It's always entertaining to watch all the funny characters do their thing at Thermae. Men scared of certain girls and girls scared of certain men. I did a couple of rounds along the track and didn't see anything that I wanted to poke with my dick. That was until I was headed back to my room nearby. Towards the back and on the way out, I ran into one of my favorites, if not my favorite girl, from Pattaya named Kwan. I've reviewed her before many times in the Pattaya thread. It was a bit weird not seeing her half naked with those big and natural perky tits in a bikini or lingerie, but rather a dress. When I first met her at 19, a couple of years ago, she was a show model at Imagine Club on Walking Street and scared of dick..[/QUOTE]Monkeypaw Tip of the Day:
This one will always be your best advice to get by in life period. If you don't learn anything else from this information board, you should take and keep this one. Most, if not all, posts are of the "my own opinion" type from folks who think they have some kind of expertise just because (well it's probably more entertaining to let them tell you themselves). I would caution others o the words and opinions of many on here. Of course, even myself, for I live by the same rules. I could care less if they have 66,666 posts and are Super Duper Senior Member or a newbie. How is it that some guys can say Baccara has poor talent, while others say it's the best club in Bangkok? How is it some guys say Biergarten is full of uglies, but others have found a few lookers there? How is that some guys think this one is hot, while another doesn't? This is how this world works and how this board operates. It's a jungle out there and it's all about ego and competition for the best looking pussy to some. Isn't that what we all strive for? To walk around with the hottest pussy following side by side, so that others can envy what we have, even for a moment. Of curse this doesn't not pertain to massage shop girls, who guys can't have any control over. So there is no competition there. You make an appointment, you arrive, you pay, and you fuck, and go home. Their schedule is their schedule. That's why there seems to be endless reports about massage shop girls. But have you ever wonder why folks don't want to share "identifying or locating information" when they write up these so called PSE reports about supposedly hot bar girls or freelancers? It's because of "this is my find, my girl, and all mine" attitude. It's the competition kicking in. Really, how hard is it to include a girl's name, a good description, and where she typically stands at Thermae? Is all that shit that difficult to remember? Apparently to some, but yet these same folks can describe to the exact T, of what they had for lunch a week ago and give directions to the location of favorite eatery. But when it comes to detailing girls, they they have just gone senile and stupid all of a sudden. Also, be wary of the this place sucks, she is horrible in bed, or she's ugly comments. Keep in mind, the "white knight" often tries to rescue the girl by keeping all the bad men away and the gets the girl all for themself. Tell me I'm not alone when I say "I have known guys who behave like that. " Be honest, if founded was a so called hidden gem, a hot perfect girl who was selling her ass, how many would want her only available to themselves. How many would share her, make her popular, and take the chance that when they want her, she will be occupied with another? ? So now, you have seen just how generous Monkeypaw has been with your kind. Why? Because I don't give a fuck and I'm better than all this shit. I'm actually amazing alien and out of this world! So my advice is go exploring on your own and forget what anyone says about a venue or a girl. It's your life, your adventure, your journey. Don't let others dictate or limit what you can get out of this game. Don't be afraid to take a chance. To know what success is, you will have to fail. Just keep learning from your mistakes, (but don't make the same failures a habit) and you will be just fine. When you have experienced it all, the good and the bad, you will know your place in this game. The winners will always know the difference between better and worse, and who was the best. And when they all reach that point, they will still remember who was #1.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2240304] They agreed and escorted me up to their room on the 7th floor because in my room had my American black buddy, who was a former NFL player, quietly and peacefully asleep.[/QUOTE]This part does not really make much sense, or ring true. Hard to believe he would need to be sleeping in your room. Surely he would not wish to impose in such a way as to sleep in your room. Any sensible guy would know you might need to use your room for private matters like 3 somes.
Only Indians and Thais share rooms with another guy. Farangs almost never do that. Okay You are not farang but still makes little sense.
Its better to have multiple very cheap rooms than to share a better one. Two rooms with connecting door normally closed could be workable. Not that many girls are going to be into gang bangs unless they like the guys and money is good.
For privacy reasons, I have sometimes had to be having two rooms concurrently. LOL Sharing is not on.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241069]
Only Indians and Thais share rooms with another guy. Farangs almost never do that. Okay You are not farang but still makes little sense.[/QUOTE]I also find that odd. Dude claims to spend a lot of money on girls, yet he shares a room with a guy? An ex NFL player can't afford a room of his own? Unless they are having sword fights together in the room every night, it doesn't seem to make sense. I've been on a lot of trips with buddies and never once have we shared a room.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241094]I also find that odd. Dude claims to spend a lot of money on girls, yet he shares a room with a guy? An ex NFL player can't afford a room of his own? Unless they are having sword fights together in the room every night, it doesn't seem to make sense. I've been on a lot of trips with buddies and never once have we shared a room.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241069]This part does not really make much sense, or ring true. Hard to believe he would need to be sleeping in your room. Surely he would not wish to impose in such a way as to sleep in your room. Any sensible guy would know you might need to use your room for private matters like 3 somes.
Only Indians and Thais share rooms with another guy. Farangs almost never do that. Okay You are not farang but still makes little sense.
Its better to have multiple very cheap rooms than to share a better one. Two rooms with connecting door normally closed could be workable. Not that many girls are going to be into gang bangs unless they like the guys and money is good.
For privacy reasons, I have sometimes had to be having two rooms concurrently. LOL Sharing is not on.[/QUOTE]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241224]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please![/QUOTE]I think you are the one stretching the humor, here.
Unless you know the guy very well, this is simply a bizarre story. So far, you have not said anything about how well you know the guy. I have mongered with many folks that I know really well. We have never entertained the idea of sharing a room, even in a place like Wanchai, Hong Kong, or Tokyo, where the rooms are relatively expensive. MP appears to have a good command of English, hence, his cultural background would not be a justification for such a stupid maneuver.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241224]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please![/QUOTE]English is not my first language but I get what MP is saying and the humour in his writing. Facepalm .
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2241228] We have never entertained the idea of sharing a room, even in a place like Wanchai, Hong Kong, or Tokyo, where the rooms are relatively expensive.[/QUOTE]I think what Blanquiceleste is saying the room being occupied is made up so talking about sharing room is pointless
Because MP also said this.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2240304]This was the first time I had been inside the Amari Boulevard and it was jackpot[/QUOTE]This stupid shit is still more entertaining than other posts. I would just go there to check out the girls and report back if I were in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241224]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please![/QUOTE]Lying to Hookers is fraudulent and a beach of the Monger Code of Practice, Section 5 (c) Clause 7.
Ladies would never lie to extract a benefit so MP should not either. He needs to be referred to the Council for disciplinary action.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2241237]
This stupid shit is still more entertaining than other posts.[/QUOTE]Amen to that. Best Thread ever!!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241224]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2241228]I think you are the one stretching the humor, here.
Unless you know the guy very well, this is simply a bizarre story. So far, you have not said anything about how well you know the guy. I have mongered with many folks that I know really well. We have never entertained the idea of sharing a room, even in a place like Wanchai, Hong Kong, or Tokyo, where the rooms are relatively expensive. MP appears to have a good command of English, hence, his cultural background would not be a justification for such a stupid maneuver.[/QUOTE]I know MP and I agree with blancqui's conclusion.
MP made up the story of a black Ex NFL player sleeping in his room to trick the girls to use their room since MP was staying at a hotel far away. The reason he specified to the girls it was a big black professional athlete was to make the story far fetched to the girls to see if they fall for it.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2241252]Lying to Hookers is fraudulent and a beach of the Monger Code of Practice, Section 5 (c) Clause 7.
Ladies would never lie to extract a benefit so MP should not either. He needs to be referred to the Council for disciplinary action.[/QUOTE]The court system is backlogged with all the charges against me worldwide.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2241025]
Monkeypaw Tip of the Day:
This one will always be your best advice to get by in life period. If you don't learn anything else from this information board, you should take and keep this one. Most, if not all, posts are of the "my own opinion" type from folks who think they have some kind of expertise just because (well it's probably more entertaining to let them tell you themselves). I would caution others o the words and opinions of many on here. Of course, even myself, for I live by the same rules. I could care less if they have 66,666 posts and are Super Duper Senior Member or a newbie. How is it that some guys can say Baccara has poor talent, while others say it's the best club in Bangkok? How is it some guys say Biergarten is full of uglies, but others have found a few lookers there? How is that some guys think this one is hot, while another doesn't? This is how this world works and how this board operates. It's a jungle out there and it's all about ego and competition for the best looking pussy to some. Isn't that what we all strive for? To walk around with the hottest pussy following side by side, so that others can envy what we have, even for a moment. Of curse this doesn't not pertain to massage shop girls, who guys can't have any control over. So there is no competition there. You make an appointment, you arrive, you pay, and you fuck, and go home. Their schedule is their schedule. That's why there seems to be endless reports about massage shop girls. But have you ever wonder why folks don't want to share "identifying or locating information" when they write up these so called PSE reports about supposedly hot bar girls or freelancers? It's because of "this is my find, my girl, and all mine" attitude. It's the competition kicking in. Really, how hard is it to include a girl's name, a good description, and where she typically stands at Thermae? Is all that shit that difficult to remember? Apparently to some, but yet these same folks can describe to the exact T, of what they had for lunch a week ago and give directions to the location of favorite eatery. But when it comes to detailing girls, they they have just gone senile and stupid all of a sudden. Also, be wary of the this place sucks, she is horrible in bed, or she's ugly comments. Keep in mind, the "white knight" often tries to rescue the girl by keeping all the bad men away and the gets the girl all for themself. Tell me I'm not alone when I say "I have known guys who behave like that. " Be honest, if founded was a so called hidden gem, a hot perfect girl who was selling her ass, how many would want her only available to themselves. How many would share her, make her popular, and take the chance that when they want her, she will be occupied with another? ? So now, you have seen just how generous Monkeypaw has been with your kind. Why? Because I don't give a fuck and I'm better than all this shit. I'm actually amazing alien and out of this world! So my advice is go exploring on your own and forget what anyone says about a venue or a girl. It's your life, your adventure, your journey. Don't let others dictate or limit what you can get out of this game. Don't be afraid to take a chance. To know what success is, you will have to fail. Just keep learning from your mistakes, (but don't make the same failures a habit) and you will be just fine. When you have experienced it all, the good and the bad, you will know your place in this game. The winners will always know the difference between better and worse, and who was the best. And when they all reach that point, they will still remember who was #1.[/QUOTE]Very well said.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2241025]B1.[/QUOTE]Someone quoted it in full. I had seen the earlier post but the lack of paragraphs stopped me reading.
Paragraphs exist to give us information in manageable chunks: one paragraph, one idea, not an essay or Cervantes.
There were two ideas or take away in MonkeyPaw's efforts. These are that we should give out names and such like information, and not try to hog them for ourselves. Those take away are negated by two or so simple facts, namely that many experiences with these pussies for rent are, along with their names, of no great relevance, and those who hog hookers for themselves are losers.
I have known quys to do the latter. I got that information by cracking into the emails of the hookers and boy are those guys pathetic? Let me break it down for you. If you give any of these women her asking price, she spreads her legs, swallows your cum, whatever.
The women do have caveats. If they think you are a danger, they ignore you. If they are young and want to mix business with pleasure, Zimermann frames will not cut it with them. If you are young and virile, they may choose to ignore you in preference to an older farang or a Japanese who pays more than the minimum wage.
When you go to the butcher (to hell with vegans), you pay him for his meat. When you take a rice farmer's daughter out of a bar or night club, you also pay her for her meat. And the chance to admire her prison tattoos.
I have easily bonked in excess of 3000 hookers. Those are my findings. YMMV.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241266]MP made up the story of a black Ex NFL player sleeping in his room to trick the girls to use their room since MP was staying at a hotel far away. The reason he specified to the girls it was a big black professional athlete was to make the story far fetched to the girls to see if they fall for it.[/QUOTE]Or it was because it is generally (or should I say stereotypically) believed that people from Russia and the surrounding area are rather racist and thus it would be less likely that they would have insisted on going to his (non-existent) room to have fun with a potential second customer as well.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw]Isn't that what we all strive for? To walk around with the hottest pussy following side by side, so that others can envy what we have, even for a moment.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241287]Very well said.[/QUOTE]Aside from how well it was said, do you really agree that is what we are all striving for in this hobby?
Meanwhile, I see MP is still passively begging for the rest of us, particularly the experienced mongers, punters and seniors, to please give him specific details for exactly who, where and how to find P4P girls who might finally give him some real sex in the room instead of meaningless arm candy on the walk TO the room while, as if this writing, I don't recall reading one Field Report where another member followed MP's specific and detailed info on name, location, badge number, Thermae hiding place or whatever that resulted in any real sex worth reporting. Strange, don't you think?
[QUOTE=ShinyMewtwo;2241352]Or it was because it is generally (or should I say stereotypically) believed that people from Russia and the surrounding area are rather racist and thus it would be less likely that they would have insisted on going to his (non-existent) room to have fun with a potential second customer as well.[/QUOTE]Bingo!
Careful. Demonstrating your ability to easily identify and bust MP on his many blatant and clumsy "tells" is almost certain to get you put on his Ignore list. LOL.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241387]Aside from how well it was said, do you really agree that is what we are all striving for in this hobby?
Meanwhile, I see MP is still passively begging for the rest of us, particularly the experienced mongers, punters and seniors, to please give him specific details for exactly who, where and how to find P4P girls who might finally give him some real sex in the room instead of meaningless arm candy on the walk TO the room while, as if this writing, I don't recall reading one Field Report where another member followed MP's specific and detailed info on name, location, badge number, Thermae hiding place or whatever that resulted in any real sex worth reporting. Strange, don't you think?[/QUOTE]Perhaps you could take a look at my report from last night?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241224]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please![/QUOTE]Ha ha, I failed to read everything carefully, rarely read the whole lot of these posts, about where he was only in there to use the toilet. LOL Only the pics really caught my attention. Still it read like absolute twaddle, so I would be surprised if girls swallowed it too. The bigger the lie, the more believable? LOL Possibly an old but ineffective technique. The more crazy the lie, just shows too much imagination taking over and not plausible in the slightest. MP does demonstrate a very active imagination, and now proves he is a habitual liar, not at all like myself. I lack the imagination to make up stuff, and really just can't be bothered. Hardly ever lie to hookers, takes too much effort to remember all the exact thinks already said and maintain a consistent story.
One wonders if these girls in the Hotel really existed or not. Just a little bit too pretty for me to accept it as true. I never saw any "Russians" (Kazaks or Romanian or whatever) so good looking in Bangkok but perhaps was in the wrong place. Hookers staying in that Hotel? Seems unlikely. More likely lurking there but having no room as well. Maybe he fucked some girl but switched pics to make them look better than what they were. Who would trust this guy, who has a lot of trouble seeing reality distinct from his imagination? LOL We need to see the cum stained Teddy Bear. LOL.
As to humour, I have been guilty of grossly laughable understatement at times. However this time I had failed to notice he was not staying there due to reading snippets of a post. MPs posts show off it bit too much to be humerous for my taste. Slightly more humble behaviour, with things not going to plan, would probably be more funny for me, ala "Ferris Bueller's day off", or "Risky Business" (classic movies). Wild imagination less funny, because you just think "naa, didn't happen like that at all".
Once I was in the situation where a girl wanted to go to my room in Nana area, but I could not do it, because another girl less desirable was already sleeping in my room. This is much more plausible and a true story from long ago. I was stupidly trying to help the girl in my room, but she definitely was not worth it. I was being a sucker!
I guess not many people here read the Angeles City thread. While some that have never followed his advice choose to tear him down, there are others that have followed his advice and want to lift him up.
[QUOTE=Gunners1;2239037]I messaged Elaine thanks for the information and lead from Monkeypaw. Mate if I ever get a chance to meet you I promise to buy you the coldest beer in the bar for connecting with on of the hornyest girls I met in along time.
Again many thanks to monkeypaw for this referral.
Thanks.
G.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2241429]I guess not many people here read the Angeles City thread. While some that have never followed his advice choose to tear him down, there are others that have followed his advice and want to lift him up.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes good advice about the toilets. LOL.
No doubt he knows good stuff and has experience and has excellent taste for pretty girls generally. I just can't be bothered trying to separate fact from imagination. I prefer posts with little imagination thrown in myself. We have to be sceptical sometimes. I have more faith if the Teddy Bear tells us what he saw.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2241429]I guess not many people here read the Angeles City thread. While some that have never followed his advice choose to tear him down, there are others that have followed his advice and want to lift him up.[/QUOTE]First of all, Angeles City in the Philippines ain't Thailand. It is a snap to find plenty of horny, less mercenary bargirls in the Philippines willing to practically give away real sex for almost nothing in return compared with Thailand.
And while I am happy Gunners1 was directed to one by MP, that doesn't say anything about how difficult it would have been for him to score what he scored with the lady, with or without MP pointing to her.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241441] I just can't be bothered trying to separate fact from imagination. [/QUOTE]Well said.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241441]I just can't be bothered trying to separate fact from imagination. I prefer posts with little imagination thrown in myself.[/QUOTE] What he wrote wasn't fabricated. He's just telling you the story he said to the girls to test them out. MP does stuff like this with all the girls. He gets bored otherwise.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241422]We need to see the cum stained Teddy Bear. LOL.[/QUOTE]I've seen it and you don't want to.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241506]What he wrote wasn't fabricated.[/QUOTE]Maybe not in this particular post. But he has for sure made up a lot of BS in other posts.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241387]Aside from how well it was said, do you really agree that is what we are all striving for in this hobby?[/QUOTE]I don't agree with everything MP says. I quoted the entire post for your benefit so you in particular could read it!
I think I have posted enough here for guys to know I don't hobby or post reviews the same way MP does. I do respect that he will hobby and post the way he wants just like you or I will hobby and post how we want. We're all experienced enough to know what works for us and keeps us motivated to hobby.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241422]We need to see the cum stained Teddy Bear. LOL.[/QUOTE]It wouldn't prove anything. Maybe he likes his teddy bear so much that he's holding her (him?) in his arms while masturbating LOL.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2241514]It wouldn't prove anything. Maybe he likes his teddy bear so much that he's holding her (him?) in his arms while masturbating LOL.[/QUOTE]I meant his pics need to have girl somewhat unclothed holding the teddy bear to be more convincing, and not doctored pics. I guess I don't have expertise to tell.
Part 1.
On my last night in Thailand, I found myself back at Go Gos in Pattaya, kicking back, relaxing and sipping on my Schweppes tonic, which only has a whopping 15 calories. By the way tonic water is like a healthy conscious version Sprite and the cool thing about it is that it will glow blue underneath the black lights at the Go Go clubs. Where it's all about looking cool as you can in order to attract the best looking girls (your Monkeypaw Tip of the Day courtesy of Monkeypaw). While watching the girls dance, I debated back and forth on how to I respond back to some of these assertions and comments I've been getting. Should I try to educate those who seem unknowing? Are they really pretending not to see the light? Do they not know how to read between the lines or are they just that stupid? Sometimes, with the way mind works, it comes too easy and I feel as if I'm bullying someone with Trisomy 21. When you are on a different level or different playing field from most, would you step off the gas and let them catch up or just run right over the slow pokes? These questions go on and on and gets me very confused on what to do sometimes with those who have a less game than me. In a way I kind of feel sorry for them. But in a way, I don't because they still profess to know it all when they don't. Anyways, so I decided to enlist some help and ask the advice of one of the sexy dancers on what to do.
Without a word being said, I waived the waitress over. Pointed at a cute model from a group. Did a drink gesture with my hand. And the exact girl that I wanted, came out of that group, walked across the bar, and sat down next to me. Once again, Monkeypaw powers that are very difficult to explain is being displayed. Call, clap, clap (these girls know my type by now). If you think that was easy, perhaps you can try this at a Go Go bar and tell us if it works for you. See a specific girl with your eyes, point to her while she is sitting with friends, and without any words spoken, the exact girl you wanted all along, will come to you. Anyways, back to my little dilemma on what to do. I figure the cute model may be able to lend an ear and give me an idea on how to approach some of these comments. So for the next few minutes, while she was sipping on a SangSom and Coke Zero, I told her about my problem using an analogy, so that I wouldn't reveal anything about this sex board. By the way, I had to buy the extra Coke Zero for her drink at my own suggestion, so it was two drinks total. She initially asked for SangSom and cola, but I was not at all pleased with her current weight. Normally, I like girls 46 kg and under and she told me she was now 48 kg or 106 lbs. Not acceptable for her body frame per Monkeypaw's current standards. But her huge natural perky tits and cute face made up for all that. Monkeypaw can forgive her for the little discrepancy on her weight. Another (Monkeypaw Tip of the Day) is that SangSom is Thai rum, not an actual whiskey as some may have been lead to believe. Knowledge is power, never forget that.
Anyways I proposed to her a scenario where I was an artist of sort. Not only an artist, but one who can can create a drawing, a masterpiece, in which that work of art can convey so many stories, with so many meanings, on so many levels, to so many different people. Some will be inspired, some will be entertained and enthused, while others would dislike and hate. This includes player hate, if anybody even knows what that means. It all depended on the individual's level of intelligence, insight, keenness, perception, awareness, and overall sharpness with the mind. It also depended on how well-versed the person is with at living LIFE in general. It was difficult to tell this to her in a mix of my broken English and half ass Thai, even with my translator app clicking away. But she sat quietly, with her eyes wide, listening patiently to me, at the same time her right hand was gripping and then slowly stroking my inner left thigh. After a few minutes of me talking, I think she was finally understanding the words coming from my mouth and somehow this connection on an intellectual level was being made. And when I concluded and wanted her advice on what to do, I finally asked her "You know what I'm saying?" Her response was priceless. She looked at me with those big eyes, smiled, kiss me on my cheek and said, "Can I have another drink?" I was stunned for a second and stared blankly back at her. Then she pointed at the group of girls and said to me, "My friend too?
Then it hit me. I was at a Go Go bar with half naked girls all around me, with 7000 baht left in my wallet. Not sitting behind a keyboard wishing, whining, or wailing about other people that I haven't have a clue to who the fuck they are. Oh well, I ended up ordering a round of tequilas for all of us, barfining her, and then took her back to my room and fucked the "I don't care about Monkeypaw's silly woes" attitude out her. So after getting sucked, fucked, and drained of all my stress, my mind finally cleared up. And I figured out the kindest thing to do. Motivated by the Hollywood Films Awards coming up November 4, Monkeypaw has decided to just hand out gifts in the form of awards and honors to all those that commented on the Kazakhstan girls. How many words and how much of time in your day have you dedicated to Monkeypaw lately. And of course I've been selfish and not given back. Shame on me. Since many of you have devoted so much effort in responding to my reports that have little to do with you, I thought it would be the kindest thing to do by giving you some Monkey love and a bit of recognition. Soon to come, Part 2, the first ever Monkeypaw Awards Ceremony, with a tribute to My Teddy Bear. Stay tuned.
P.S. Paragraphs does make it easier to read, got it! Now hopefully it makes it easier for some to learn to read between the lines.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241422]The more crazy the lie, just shows too much imagination taking over and not plausible in the slightest. MP does demonstrate a very active imagination, and now proves he is a habitual liar, not at all like myself. I lack the imagination to make up stuff, and really just can't be bothered. Hardly ever lie to hookers, takes too much effort to remember all the exact thinks already said and maintain a consistent story.
One wonders if these girls in the Hotel really existed or not. Just a little bit too pretty for me to accept it as true. I never saw any "Russians" (Kazaks or Romanian or whatever) so good looking in Bangkok but perhaps was in the wrong place. Hookers staying in that Hotel? Seems unlikely. More likely lurking there but having no room as well. Maybe he fucked some girl but switched pics to make them look better than what they were. Who would trust this guy, who has a lot of trouble seeing reality distinct from his imagination? LOL We need to see the cum stained Teddy Bear. LOL.
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[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241547]I meant his pics need to have girl somewhat unclothed holding the teddy bear to be more convincing, and not doctored pics. I guess I don't have expertise to tell.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241470]First of all, Angeles City in the Philippines ain't Thailand. It is a snap to find plenty of horny, less mercenary bargirls in the Philippines willing to practically give away real sex for almost nothing in return compared with Thailand.
And while I am happy Gunners1 was directed to one by MP, that doesn't say anything about how difficult it would have been for him to score what he scored with the lady, with or without MP pointing to her.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241387]Aside from how well it was said, do you really agree that is what we are all striving for in this hobby?
Meanwhile, I see MP is still passively begging for the rest of us, particularly the experienced mongers, punters and seniors, to please give him specific details for exactly who, where and how to find P4P girls who might finally give him some real sex in the room instead of meaningless arm candy on the walk TO the room while, as if this writing, I don't recall reading one Field Report where another member followed MP's specific and detailed info on name, location, badge number, Thermae hiding place or whatever that resulted in any real sex worth reporting. Strange, don't you think?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2241510]Maybe not in this particular post. But he has for sure made up a lot of BS in other posts.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2241514]It wouldn't prove anything. Maybe he likes his teddy bear so much that he's holding her (him?) in his arms while masturbating LOL.[/QUOTE]Three blind mice.
I am truly amazed at the lengths men will go to try and preserve their own ideas of reality. Or is it because of hatred and jealousy? Or is it a clinical condition? Guess I will never know.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241777]Three blind mice.
I am truly amazed at the lengths men will go to try and preserve their own ideas of reality. Or is it because of hatred and jealousy? Or is it a clinical condition? Guess I will never know.[/QUOTE]I doubt I come across as agitated in any way. Pretty relaxed about everything really.
I don't know what fabulous girls MP is getting, and hardly care. Obviously flamboyant and conveys having a fantastic time. We all find our own if we can. As a technical person, I like dealing with facts and evidence, not so much assumptions. I don't care if a post is 100% true or not (just does not matter), just don't want to swallow everything hook, line and sinker, due to the literary license used. Detailed Escort Reviews.
I like posts that contain data that could be useful in some way, sometimes entertaining ones like a recent Nyezhov post (funny ones are so few). Is the girl good, in what way, where can she be found type posts, or where to find other very useful things, be it the best rate money exchange, best condoms, possible STDs, or whatever. Posts that give a fair impression of the style of a venue.
As a monger I feel I am almost retired, going in search of fuck so rarely now. I don't suffer from the monger psychological problem "fear of missing out" that drives some guys to have to try as much as possible. Even my sex addiction has declined a lot, so that I don't just have to get a fuck.
Some years ago there were a few posters on the Thai threads that really were funny and entertaining in general. Wish I could remember their handles. Shanghai Nemo on SH thread cracks me up.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241512]I don't agree with everything MP says. I quoted the entire post for your benefit so you in particular could read it!
I think I have posted enough here for guys to know I don't hobby or post reviews the same way MP does. I do respect that he will hobby and post the way he wants just like you or I will hobby and post how we want. We're all experienced enough to know what works for us and keeps us motivated to hobby.[/QUOTE]I thought that was why you did it, BB. Appreciate the gesture. Especially since it was a post chock full of classic MP "tells".
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241777]Three blind mice.
I am truly amazed at the lengths men will go to try and preserve their own ideas of reality. Or is it because of hatred and jealousy? Or is it a clinical condition? Guess I will never know.[/QUOTE]LOL. Understand and appreciate the sentiment. But even you must realize how ironic and wasted such a defense is for MonkeyPaw, of all people.
Does any other poster go to as great a length to preserve his own ideas of reality and go blind to the slightest challenge to it than MonkeyPaw? He is the only poster here who not only puts anyone who poses a credible challenge to some of the likely hogwash in his posts on Ignore, but WARNED us in advance he would do it (presumably as a pre-emptive strike to somehow impose self-censorship on us. LOL) and regularly implores others NOT to believe any posts that challenge his likely hogwash that might slip through.
The guy is so terrified someone might call him out on his potential bs and shatter his carefully preserved idea of reality, he not only chooses to go blind to it, he hopes everyone else will go blind to it as well, even to the point of imploring them to do so. Btw, you seem to be cooperating over and above the call of duty with his bizarre efforts quite nicely.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2241640]But she sat quietly, with her eyes wide, listening patiently to me, at the same time her right hand was gripping and then slowly stroking my inner left thigh. After a few minutes of me talking, I think she was finally understanding the words coming from my mouth and somehow this connection on an intellectual level was being made. And when I concluded and wanted her advice on what to do, I finally asked her "You know what I'm saying?" Her response was priceless. She looked at me with those big eyes, smiled, kiss me on my cheek and said, "Can I have another drink?" I was stunned for a second and stared blankly back at her. Then she pointed at the group of girls and said to me, "My friend too?[/QUOTE]What a funny story! Has happened to me too.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2241848]Some years ago there were a few posters on the Thai threads that really were funny and entertaining in general. Wish I could remember their handles. Shanghai Nemo on SH thread cracks me up.[/QUOTE]The funniest Guy in my memory in the Thai threads was Nick Frenchy, but funny parts were usually related to the clash between Thai and Western culture, expectations, and standards, the mystification about all things Thai despite being here a long time. His stuff was very amusing without having to stoop to pathetic Sarcasm / irony very much, which is the method of choice of persons that are basically not funny at all. Subtle humour can be the funniest, with just a little slapstick.
You can read his old posts after a search, and some are quite entertaining. Not keen where he reports what some other idiot wrote on another forum but his own experiences are a good read.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241777]Three blind mice.[/QUOTE]Blind people often 'see' more than people who are not blind.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241905]The funniest Guy in my memory in the Thai threads was Nick Frenchy, but funny parts were usually related to the clash between Thai and Western culture, expectations, and standards, the mystification about all things Thai despite being here a long time. His stuff was very amusing without having to stoop to pathetic Sarcasm / irony very much, which is the method of choice of persons that are basically not funny at all. Subtle humour can be the funniest, with just a little slapstick.
You can read his old posts after a search, and some are quite entertaining. Not keen where he reports what some other idiot wrote on another forum but his own experiences are a good read.[/QUOTE]Thanks for remembering his handle! Will look him up.
I deliberately waited a couple of days to return to this thread, as I was certain the blind mice would come for the cheese. LOL. And they do prove my points made in my earlier post. And a couple of new ones to add here. This is great entertainment. Newly observed side effects of blindness:
1. Fragile egos.
2. Diminishing of other senses.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241808]I doubt I come across as agitated in any way. Pretty relaxed about everything really.
I don't know what fabulous girls MP is getting, and hardly care. Obviously flamboyant and conveys having a fantastic time. We all find our own if we can. As a technical person, I like dealing with facts and evidence, not so much assumptions. I don't care if a post is 100% true or not (just does not matter), just don't want to swallow everything hook, line and sinker, due to the literary license used. Detailed Escort Reviews.
I like posts that contain data that could be useful in some way, sometimes entertaining ones like a recent Nyezhov post (funny ones are so few). Is the girl good, in what way, where can she be found type posts, or where to find other very useful things, be it the best rate money exchange, best condoms, possible STDs, or whatever. Posts that give a fair impression of the style of a venue.[/QUOTE]Sure, there is not as much "agitation" as the other two illustrious BMs included here. However, when one is oblivious to one's own actions and its impact around themselves, it is a different level of blindness. No?
About data and facts and other mundane stuff. MP's posts contain as much data as you would care to find on these threads. Bars, their layouts (whether there is a tub or not), names and numbers of girls, their pictures (taken with their consent), vivid descriptions of the experience, etc. Can't say the same for some other posts that you enjoy. Ones that roll over, sneak up to, amble, ramble, waddle and pound. Sure, there are plenty of facts and data in those posts. Dates with cute 20 year olds and random girls off the internet! The mind boggles.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2241860]LOL. Understand and appreciate the sentiment. But even you must realize how ironic and wasted such a defense is for MonkeyPaw, of all people.
Does any other poster go to as great a length to preserve his own ideas of reality and go blind to the slightest challenge to it than MonkeyPaw? He is the only poster here who not only puts anyone who poses a credible challenge to some of the likely hogwash in his posts on Ignore, but WARNED us in advance he would do it (presumably as a pre-emptive strike to somehow impose self-censorship on us. LOL) and regularly implores others NOT to believe any posts that challenge his likely hogwash that might slip through.
The guy is so terrified someone might call him out on his potential bs and shatter his carefully preserved idea of reality, he not only chooses to go blind to it, he hopes everyone else will go blind to it as well, even to the point of imploring them to do so. Btw, you seem to be cooperating over and above the call of duty with his bizarre efforts quite nicely.[/QUOTE]Got to love this strategy. When cornered come out swinging big with the same moves that got you boxed in. Our learned friend here seems to know a lot about BMs putting other BMs on IGNORE lists. Does it ever occur that it could simply a way of cutting down on BS?
The only reason I am continuing this exchange is because it is extremely entertaining to watch blind mice respond to stimulus. Call me twisted if you like.
Not just this, there even a feeble misrepresentation (or perhaps it is just misinterpretation) of another BMs post in a vain attempt to garner support to their own ideas. Call it using a crutch or a cane. There is also dismissal of other BMs who support MP or those who have followed MPs intel and shared their experiences. If you are not with us, you are against us, eh? Sad.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2241917]Blind people often 'see' more than people who are not blind.[/QUOTE]Nice try. Perhaps a result of binge watching Daredevil on Netflix?
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2241025]It's a jungle out there and it's all about ego and competition for the best looking pussy to some. Isn't that what we all strive for? To walk around with the hottest pussy following side by side, so that others can envy what we have, even for a moment. [/QUOTE]I love this point. This is like opening a bag of chips and eating it inside a church. Everyone around will crinkle up their noses and look at you in disgust, but deep down every single one wants some of those chips.
Now I might get some lame comments about how one does not even like to eat chips or how another does not go to church as he follows a different faith or how they are deaf and hence cannot hear the bag of chips being opened or some other random reason. But I am sure you get the picture?! LMAO.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242013]Not sure I have seen more than 2 girls in the whole city, including non pros working in the malls, that I'd leave my room 10 minutes earlier for in hopes that this will be my lucky day to catch her before the mad rush and be graced with her company for an hour, regardless of the money.[/QUOTE]The heart cries out. Blindness can truly be debilitating.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2241991]Thanks for remembering his handle! Will look him up.[/QUOTE]Actually was Nic Frenchy. No letter "K" now I think more clearly.
[quote=Me]Not sure I have seen more than 2 girls in the whole city, including non pros working in the malls, that I'd leave my room 10 minutes earlier for in hopes that this will be my lucky day to catch her before the mad rush and be graced with her company for an hour, regardless of the money.[/quote]
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2242204]The heart cries out. Blindness can truly be debilitating.[/QUOTE]On my last 2 day trip to Pattaya, a couple of months ago, I made a conscious effort to count on my digits the number of Thai girls I passed on the sois, saw on Walking Street, saw inside the bars on Walking Street and in the shops, malls and restaurants that I would spend as much as 500 baht, 1 hour of my time and one squirt of my precious ejaculate on and in those two days and nights I did not get up to four fingers on one hand. Sorry. That's what I see there. Not talking about tourists who come in pairs or whole families to gawk. I'm talking about girls with or without dates/customers who look as though they are on the job and live there, not gazing around or taking photos of this or that site.
It isn't only an issue of basic physical DNA features. The girls who look fairly well put together in terms of youth and fitness ruin it with big ugly tattoos in all the wrong places, weird piercings, braying nasally voices, smoking cigarettes, projecting a decidedly bored and rough demeanor and so on. Not attractive. Not the least bit interesting to me for a fuck or a suck.
Now, mind you, my days of striving to be seen with so-called stunners and envied by other men in the bars or on websites like this one as a primary objective are over. Not because I am now 65. They were over by the time I was 45, maybe even 40 if I really looked back on it further. By then I was no longer emotionally needy in that way and, knowing what I had already had countless times before, my ego and self-esteem could well afford to be more generous of spirit and open to being impressed by other things besides whether the girl was the hottest one in the bar.
I am not a man who needs that. I certainly have a bottom floor standard on looks. That probably would be considered better than average or much better than average in the eyes of most punters. Any compromise on looks is based on demeanor, attitude, delivery of services or at the very least an impression that she will deliver well on service if a first session.
But the standards are lowered in Pattaya vs Bangkok across the board such that MY bottom floor standard "better than average/much better than average" likely choices in Bangkok would be Super Stars on Soi 6 and Beach Road and easily among the top 5% most popular girls in any Pattaya go-go bar I have gone into. They would most certainly be among the most popular with repeat customers who had sampled the kind of True GFE I have gotten with them.
So when I take that arduous and mind-numbingly boring 3-4 hour trek (yeah, even by private taxi these days!) all the way to Pattaya for the purposes of P4P rather than to meet or hang with a friend who wants to go there, it had damn well better be because I will get something much better there in terms or looks, skills, True GFE, lower cost or SOMETHING than I can easily get within a 15 minute walk in any direction from my apartment in Bangkok. As of this writing, that has not happened in the 6-7 trips I have taken to Pattaya over the past half dozen years.
Btw, if you think my statement was so ridiculous, easy to refute or worthy of challenge, why didn't you just reply to it accordingly in the Pattaya Reports thread where I posted it?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2242197]
Got to love this strategy. When cornered come out swinging big with the same moves that got you boxed in. Our learned friend here seems to know a lot about BMs putting other BMs on IGNORE lists. Does it ever occur that it could simply a way of cutting down on BS?
[/QUOTE]Uh. MP's effort to protect his fragile ego and remain blind to any challenge to the likely hogwash in his posts by WARNING everyone he would put them on his Ignore list if they dared to do so and then by further imploring everyone else to ignore their challenges as well in order to help him protect his fragile ego and blindness (your chosen job, I suppose) was in posts written by MP in these threads.
And you know that Private Message thingy we've got here? Turns out at least 3-4 posters who were put on MP's Ignore list were able to check with each other and get a big laugh about how little challenge to MP's fragile ego it takes to get put there. I was able to read their posts and they read mine before we were put on MP's Ignore list. There was nothing in them any more challenging than one would find other, less emotionally fragile posters, including ourselves, shouldering and shrugging off or, better yet, simply clarifying and responding to all the time.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242291]
So when I take that arduous and mind-numbingly boring 3-4 hour trek (yeah, even by private taxi these days!) all the way to Pattaya for the purposes of P4P rather than to meet or hang with a friend who wants to go there, it had damn well better be because I will get something much better there in terms or looks, skills, True GFE, lower cost or SOMETHING than I can easily get within a 15 minute walk in any direction from my apartment in Bangkok. As of this writing, that has not happened in the 6-7 trips I have taken to Pattaya over the past half dozen years.
[/QUOTE]My trips in the period, is a fat zero. Are you saying I should not bother. Originally I thought the attraction of Pattaya was is was an any goes, let it all hang out place, low class, and very cheap. However I gather the days of cheap very beautiful bargirls is over, and hence I missed out. LOL.
So what makes you keep trying?
Natty suggested to me that Yangon could well be a bit like Bangkok many years ago. Very old style. That might be worth me trying, seeing I start to miss the good old days. I doubt I have the right monger's ethic to really appreciate Pattaya any more.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241777]Three blind mice.
I am truly amazed at the lengths men will go to try and preserve their own ideas of reality...[/QUOTE]I think you are catching on quick and I like how where you are going with this. In case folks were wondering, my ideas too, often can be attributed from Hollywood or entertainment influences that I can remember. I think I've learned so much about life and people from watching TV, films, and cartoons. This is just a key for future reference, so take note. Most of what is preface about each can be found and verified in Wikipedia easily, so no need to shoot the messenger. The first two are awards of recognition, the rest are simply honors.
1. The Monkeypaw "Sharing is Caring" Award. This award is given to those who write up a damn good report that makes Monkeypaw's balls tickle. This is rare and I've only handed out a few. The guys who got it, had a good description of the girl (s), details of their encounter, how and where to find her, how much they paid, and a pic or two to share. Can't get better than that, unless I do one myself.
2. The Monkeypaw "two paws up" Award. I have given this award many times when I feel somebody did what Monkeypaw would do in that situation. It recognizes better and good acts that improve the lives others. Let's say you see a hot slim chick with big tits, with toilet paper stuck to her shoe at Thermae. Monkeypaw, in that situation, would tell her something. Let's say you see a funny looking guy, heavily sweating and not smelling hygienically appropriate at Thermae. Monkeypaw would go to 7-11 and buy him some deodorant and then gladly hand it to him to use. Both acts are the Monkeypaw thing to do and deserve a "two paws up," but only of them requires you to be very brave.
3. Blue. A tribute to a very innovative animation series, Blues Clues, in which Steve, the host, presents the audience with a puzzle involving Blue, the animated dog. To help the audience unlock the puzzle, Blue leaves behind a series of clues, which are objects marked with one of her paw prints. In between the discovery of the clues, Steve plays a series of*games. As the show unfolds, Steve and Blue move from one animated set to another, jumping through magical doorways, leading viewers on a journey of discovery, until the end of the story. Those who follow these clue correctly, always gets rewarded. *.
4. The Walking Dead. A tribute to the American post apocalyptic horror television series about the journey, pains, and sufferings of human life and its survival in the months and years that follow a zombie apocalypse. *The Walkers are the brainless dead, that just only care about eating. My favorite quote from this movie is from "The Last Day on Earth" episode when Negan tells Rick, "It sucks don't it? The moment when you realize you don't know shit. "
5. Mr. Magoo. A tribute to one of my favorite cartoon characters of all time, Mr. Magoo. He is a wealthy, short-stature retiree who gets into a series of comical situations as a result of his extreme*near-sightedness, compounded by his stubborn refusal to admit the problem. However, through uncanny streaks of luck, the situation always seems to work itself out for him, leaving him no worse than before. Which is technically the same as when he started, so pretty much a wasting his time and energy. Coincidentally, Mr. Magoo also appears in a Christmas Carol as the cheap skate, Scrooge.
6. Karius and Bactus. A tribute from a short puppet play based on a Norwegian children's book about two tooth trolls named Karius (black haired) and Bactus (red haired). I remember this from grade school. Their names are puns on Caries and Bacteria, and they live inside cavities in the teeth of a boy named*Jens who is as dirty as they come. They seemingly have a very good life, especially when Jens eats white bread with lots of maple syrup. Eventually their homes are destroyed by a dentist who teaches Jens proper*hygiene, which in life, often requires that you brush your teeth with toothpaste and take showers with soap.
7. Dudley Do Right. A tribute based on Dudley Do Right, another cowboy hat wearing cartoon character, who is a dim witted, but conscientious and cheerful Mountie, who is always trying to catch his nemesis,*Snidely Whiplash, and rescue*the damsel in distress,*Nell, his boss's daughter. So he sorta behaves like a White Knight. He succeeds only by pure luck or through the actions of his horse, named "Horse. " Dudley Do Right's horse pretty much acts like "Tonto" to the Lone Ranger, and helps gets Dudley out of jams. This was a segment in the popular series called the Rocky and Bullwinkle Show, which also featured my one of my favorites, Mr. Know It All.
8. Nancy Drew. A tribute to Nancy Drew a fictional amateur detective of the book series, where she is a young high school graduate that spends her time solving mysteries, which she always seems to stumbles upon out of her own nosiness. She likes making everything her business. She is eventually out shadowed by the Hardy Boys who seem more brave, are able to do more, and are involved in more dangerous situations, as boys, while Nancy, a female, is not able to. In*the episode, the Haunting on Heliotrope Lane, many fans complain Nancy and her friends act out-of-character, and that there are frequent mentions of Nancy and her friends being scared, screaming, or "peepee (ing) their pants. " Slowly after that, the popularity of Nancy Drew faded away due to the stereotyping.
9. Gumball. A tribute to a cartoon about a young blue cat named Gumball Watterson and his best friend, a pet fish named Darwin on a show entitled, the Amazing World of Gumball. He always for gets into trouble, often resulting from the same schemes he comes up with. He never seems to learn his lesson and never evolves. One of the funniest episodes is when Gumball and Darwin get very confused when they meet Chi Chi and Ribbit, a pair of siblings that copycat everything they do and say. Reminds me of a slow to think kid I knew back in high school, that when he wanted to bug someone, he would just squinch up his nose and repeat whatever they said.
10. Monkeypaw's Ace in the Hole (if needed).
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242423]My trips in the period, is a fat zero. Are you saying I should not bother. Originally I thought the attraction of Pattaya was is was an any goes, let it all hang out place, low class, and very cheap. However I gather the days of cheap very beautiful bargirls is over, and hence I missed out. LOL.
So what makes you keep trying?
[/QUOTE]I can't say you should not bother. As I recall, you have said all it takes is one girl who meets your spec in a bar to make going in there worth it. So that might be the ratio in all of Pattaya as well, don't know.
The only reason I go to Pattaya now is when a visiting Western friend wants to go and wants me to come along. Or to meet him there if he is in Pattaya already. For instance, I have a friend who works in Japan and when he comes to Thailand he only wants to stay in Pattaya. So I will ride the bus there to hang with him for 2-3 days. It is only because I am there already that I give the girls on the strolls and in the bars a more detailed review and a chance to change my mind about the place. None of them have changed my mind in the past few years but I'm not going to deny them the chance to do so as long as I am out with my friend.
I have also gone there a couple of times with Bangkok girlfriends who just want 2-3 days by the beach or who like Pattaya as a change of pace. I appreciate Pattaya as a change of pace environment too. But those times when I bring a girl FROM Bangkok with me are the only times in the past 6 years or so that I have had what I consider real sex, good, real and satisfying sex, with an attractive young lady in Pattaya. Oh, one time an ex Som's Haven girl left the business and took up a real job in a car dealership in Chon Buri. She Lined me and invited me to come down to stay with her for a weekend off and that sex was great.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482]10. Monkeypaw's Ace in the Hole (if needed).[/QUOTE]Is Monkeypaw's Ace in the Hole his famous recipe for spaghetti alla puttanesca that he serves to all of his bar girls after a shag?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2242197]
Nice try. Perhaps a result of binge watching Daredevil on Netflix?[/QUOTE]Netflix? I'm blind, remember?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2241094]I also find that odd. Dude claims to spend a lot of money on girls, yet he shares a room with a guy? An ex NFL player can't afford a room of his own? Unless they are having sword fights together in the room every night, it doesn't seem to make sense. I've been on a lot of trips with buddies and never once have we shared a room.[/QUOTE]It was a joke from MP to the girls I'm sure. Funny too. And those girls are certainly pretty. Good for you.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242693]I can't say you should not bother. As I recall, you have said all it takes is one girl who meets your spec in a bar to make going in there worth it. So that might be the ratio in all of Pattaya as well, don't know.
The only reason I go to Pattaya now is when a visiting Western friend wants to go and wants me to come along. Or to meet him there if he is in Pattaya already. For instance, I have a friend who works in Japan and when he comes to Thailand he only wants to stay in Pattaya. So I will ride the bus there to hang with him for 2-3 days. It is only because I am there already that I give the girls on the strolls and in the bars a more detailed review and a chance to change my mind about the place. None of them have changed my mind in the past few years but I'm not going to deny them the chance to do so as long as I am out with my friend.
I have also gone there a couple of times with Bangkok girlfriends who just want 2-3 days by the beach or who like Pattaya as a change of pace. I appreciate Pattaya as a change of pace environment too. But those times when I bring a girl FROM Bangkok with me are the only times in the past 6 years or so that I have had what I consider real sex, good, real and satisfying sex, with an attractive young lady in Pattaya. Oh, one time an ex Som's Haven girl left the business and took up a real job in a car dealership in Chon Buri. She Lined me and invited me to come down to stay with her for a weekend off and that sex was great.[/QUOTE]Taking a girl to Pattaya is a bit silly really, unless really can't think of anywhere better. I did that once 25 years ago.
I really don't travel long distances just to get sex anymore (Gave that up but not for that long). However all flights to anywhere seem to have to pass through either Bangkok or Frankfurt. LOL Even that is not essential any more. That is part of my partial retirement. If I have to be somewhere, then I may get too horny and look for something. I don't think I am even likely to visit Pattaya just to see a friend, would have to be mighty important. Use it as an excuse to go to Pattaya sounds okay.
Still preferring my regulars for now. I suppose I have to do Pattaya some time for the hell of it. First time for over 20 years. However better wit till I am really unsatisfied with what I have. Not top priority. Yangon maybe higher!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242291]On my last 2 day trip to Pattaya, a couple of months ago, I made a conscious effort to count on my digits the number of Thai girls I passed on the sois, saw on Walking Street, saw inside the bars on Walking Street and in the shops, malls and restaurants that I would spend as much as 500 baht, 1 hour of my time and one squirt of my precious ejaculate on and in those two days and nights I did not get up to four fingers on one hand. Sorry. That's what I see there. [/QUOTE]I give up man. You seem to set the bar so high, that you yourself have difficulty in jumping over it. So glad you have left Pattaya for lesser mortals.
That said, if there is nothing for you in Pattaya, why read that thread or post in it? Just curious.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242291]Btw, if you think my statement was so ridiculous, easy to refute or worthy of challenge, why didn't you just reply to it accordingly in the Pattaya Reports thread where I posted it?[/QUOTE]Is there a law against it? Worthy of challenge. LMAO. This is just pure entertainment for me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242302]And you know that Private Message thingy we've got here? Turns out at least 3-4 posters who were put on MP's Ignore list were able to check with each other and get a big laugh about how little challenge to MP's fragile ego it takes to get put there. [/QUOTE]Mighty big faction you have there.
Speaking of this thing called PM, have I told you about the number of PMs I get from BMs laughing their faces off at how ridiculous your argument sounds?
I don't block anyone simply because every poster has potential entertainment value, in different ways.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2242904]Mighty big faction you have there.
Speaking of this thing called PM, have I told you about the number of PMs I get from BMs laughing their faces off at how ridiculous your argument sounds?
I don't block anyone simply because every poster has potential entertainment value, in different ways.[/QUOTE]Strange thing that IGNORE list. The other day, I was sharing with some other members the screenshot of my IGNORE list, which is empty. Not one member listed on there. I've said this before. I sure didn't put anyone on there. So perhaps, they need to take this issue up with those above who have more powers. But they are senior members, they should know how to get around all that crap. Heck, common sense says you don't even have to be member or even have a subscription or an account to read anybody's post. So what's the issue again?
So let's rewind in time a bit, and let me recap with a few excerpts from the original post "Russian Roulette: When a Stupid Shit Results in Finding Gems. In their correct chronological order. At any time you can click on the original post link with the last quote to read the entire original report.
1. "Anyways, one night, when headed towards Nana at around 9 ish, I had to take a serious dump from some burn your asshole Indian food I ate earlier ".
2. "I ended up taking a detour down Soi 5 and into the Amari Boulevard Hotel to use their bathrooms ".
3. "This was the first time I had been inside the Amari Boulevard and it was jackpot ".
4. "That was their cue to who they really are and it means "game on ".
5. " I need not say more, you just have to be really good at understanding hidden meanings and the subliminal messages sent when hunting ".
6. "They wanted 3000 each for a threesome, but I countered them with 2000 each plus tip and a promise to see them as much as I could while I was staying at this same hotel as they ".
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2240304]They agreed and escorted me up to their room on the 7th floor because in my room had my American black buddy, who was a former NFL player, quietly and peacefully asleep.[/QUOTE]The last quote above was what got "them" to come from out under the bridge to face-off with the GOATs again. If you don't know what the heck I am referring to. Here' s a link to the wonderful tale of 3 Billy Goats Gruff.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2233785]Once upon a time there were three billy goats, who were to go up to the hillside to make themselves fat, and the name of all three was "Gruff. " [/QUOTE]I could be horribly wrong, which I have been before, but Monkeypaw thinks any reader with a smudge of intellect, mixed with some common sense, and a dash of "game" could probably figure out the intent of the last quote with pretend my buddy, the black NFL football player, in my pretend room at the to hotel, which I didn't belong. If that might be asking too much, which I have asked before, then it is a simple as them re-reading 1-6 again. I've said this many times before, we are not all on the same playing field with the same powers. And yes knowledge is power, so saying "well I didn't know" can't be used as an excuse. But one thing for sure, this stirred up the pot and brought some life to a thread that had been left dead for a week. Didn't want it to die off with a dud post with me being from the planet of the apes, Monkeypaw doesn't go out like that.
As promised, instead of getting in any type of exchange with folks, I'll just do the nice thing and hand out some awards and honors a little later. That way it eases up the tension on those up tight panties. Call this a professional courtesy considering all the dynamic possibilities that I can do with this wonderful mind God has bestowed upon me. Reminds me of a junior version of my Hollywood hero, Hannibal Lecter, who has the capability to literally mindfuck someone to the point where they will chew off their own face and wash it down with a glass of warm milk. All because he considers them rude by his own definition, not giving a shit about what they thought. The mind is a such a powerful thing to have, especially when you are able to control others like good ole Hannibal.
And by the way, I do apologize to "some". Just because I never responded back to your tits with my tats, I still paid quite the attention to the needy. I took my inspiration to do it this way when reading about the Fogey Awards in Bare Magazine this past weekend. And since it also is nearing time for the Hollywood Films Award, I thought I would give all this an entertainment flair, because so many on here have kept me, for lack of a better word, "entertained. " Reminds me of when I was a small child, and I was handed down TEKNO, the robotic dog, to play with. But it was used, old, and required 4 AA batteries shoved up its ass to get it going and act right. I out grew that simple minded robotic dog toy, and then when I got older, my dad got me this stubborn as fuck, black and white, but more white, blue eyed Siberian Husky, who howled and whined all the time for hamburgers. She even gave me this tilted head, "what the fuck look" when the greasy burgers were missing bacon and cheese. Spoiled, evil dog. Food food food was all it barked about. Huskies can be tough to bring up, but I eventually broke her and she became obedient and trained.
She was so much more fun after that. Our favorite game was hide and seek. She was always lost, wandering the house aimlessly, sniffing, howling, in search of God knows who, because I was in my room, doors shut, and asleep. Now as an adult, and as someone who gets bored easily, I was told, I'the either have to find new toys to play with or find new ways to play with old toys. Too difficult, so I now I just travel with my teddy bear, fuck a hot girl every now and then, do a bit of charity, and write up reports. And in the process, I've been lucky to have made a few keyboard buddies that I need to appreciate and honor from time to time. Anyways, in the up coming day or two, let me recognize those who took the time out of their busy day to follow me and comment on my reports.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2242904]
Speaking of this thing called PM, have I told you about the number of PMs I get from BMs laughing their faces off at how ridiculous your argument sounds?[/QUOTE]I think it's ridiculous that these cowards send you a PM instead of posting their opinion on the board.
Too many people in this world are afraid to stand up for their opinion.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2242861]Taking a girl to Pattaya is a bit silly really, unless really can't think of anywhere better. I did that once 25 years ago.
[/QUOTE]It isn't silly if you do it for the reasons I stated in my post, if you really like the girl and if your experience in Pattaya has shown there is not likely to be anyone better there for you than the girl you take.
I am not talking about taking a bargirl to Pattaya where you pay on a daily basis or anything like that.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2242902]I give up man. You seem to set the bar so high, that you yourself have difficulty in jumping over it. So glad you have left Pattaya for lesser mortals.
That said, if there is nothing for you in Pattaya, why read that thread or post in it? Just curious.
Is there a law against it? Worthy of challenge. LMAO. This is just pure entertainment for me.[/QUOTE]That's the thing; my acceptable standards are not all that high, as I explained already. But hope springs eternal. I posted my reply there to a question posed to both pro and con Pattaya visitors. Don't you even read the exchanges you comment on?
You know, virtually all of us post on these boards for the entertainment value. But I'm not getting nearly the entertainment value out of you I was sure you were ripe to provide if you can't keep up.
This thread has definitely gotten entertaining but the hilarity is slowly getting stale. Most of you guys are probably older than me but still behaving like high school students smh. It's like watching a scene out of mean girls.
Now I'm starting to feel sorry for these bg's as I'm getting to learn more about the types of customers they have to deal with 😜. As a matter of fact now I feel like they deserve more than the tequila and coke they have been asking for lately.
In another thread some dudes were wondering why freelancers are starting to ask for more beer well here ya have it. Having to deal with stupid shit on Thailand makes you want to grab another beer (like I'm doing now).
This post is not aimed at anyone in particular but y'all are kinda immature. First guys were fighting over a bg and now they fight over each others writing style and opinions. Thanks for the entertainment but let's keep it moving and spice it up.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2242954]That's the thing; my acceptable standards are not all that high, as I explained already. But hope springs eternal. I posted my reply there to a question posed to both pro and con Pattaya visitors. Don't you even read the exchanges you comment on?
You know, virtually all of us post on these boards for the entertainment value. But I'm not getting nearly the entertainment value out of you I was sure you were ripe to provide if you can't keep up.[/QUOTE]I am almost developing an admiration now. BBBJ+CIM (as described in detail in one of your posts) or BBFS as the minimum acceptable service. THAT is low standard? Now I wonder what high standards would be like.
Wait a minute. Do I admire or do I pity? Tough choice.
Oh. Did I say that I read and post here for my own entertainment? Whether you get anything out of it or not is purely incidental.
I was scrolling through the forum and came across this review. Hands down, no one can compete with Monkey's game! The guy is legendary. You need to visit Patong from the 21st to 26th of December and teach this student of yours.
"Do. Or do not. There is no try. " – Yoda.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2240304]Few years ago, the Raja Hotel near Nana was the place to go in case when your dick was tired of Thai pussy and you had an itch for some Russian or European girls. The girls will sometimes linger around the lobby or smoke outside the hotel. But to get access them, you still had to work your way through a pimp and was escorted to a floor where you can walk room to room to room and inspect the girls one by one. Those days are long gone and the white girl freelancer action has dwindle, unless you do the clubs and pay crazy ass prices. Awhile back I asked "where to find them" and got no response from anyone. Sucks don't it? The moment you realize you don't know shit, when being asked something. Now, after receiving no help, I decided to walk around do some recon on my own and got pointed to the Grace Hotel and Royal Garden Hotel near Nana. While there is some talent with regards to Russian and European freelancers in those two hotels, none of them were to Monkeypaw's taste. If I told you why, it will just make some folks a little bit upset because perhaps it is what they like and find as delish. So to save the drama, I won't. Anyways, one night, when headed towards Nana at around 9 ish, I had to take a serious dump from some burn your asshole Indian food I ate earlier. Honestly, I need to stay away from that shit, literally, for it will fuck up your guts. But that garlic naan, it is so damn yummy. I ended up taking a detour down Soi 5 and into the Amari Boulevard Hotel to use their bathrooms. Here is the Monkeypaw helpful hint of the day. If you are ever in need of a nice toilet, and your hotel is far away. Don't be afraid to walk into a 4 or 5 star hotel and use their nice lobby bathrooms. Nobody is going to ask you anything unless you look Thai. What I normally do is walk in and tip the doorman 20 baht. I would then go looking for the restroom. If I can't find it, I will ask him and he always points me into the right direction. He will always remember you courtesy of that 20 baht tip. This only works at 4 or 5 star hotels with huge nice lobbies, not the smaller boutique hotels. This was the first time I had been inside the Amari Boulevard and it was jackpot. In the lobby, on the right, by the coffee shop huddled a bunch of Russian or European girls ranging from early to late 20's at several tables. After I went to the bathroom to release the massive Kraken built up inside my bowels, I walked over to one of those small tables with the two cutest white girls in the group, a blond and brunette. Monkeypaw, of course, having huge balls, is not afraid to hunt alone or like this. I live for this "taking chances" kind of shit. You are in the fucking Land of Smiles and everybody here apparently loves money, so what have you got to lose? Your pride? From some of the stories I've read and some of the photos I've seen, that ship has long sailed away is lost somewhere in the Bermuda Triangle. Take note of these Monkeypaw instructions and follow them carefully. I approached the table with the two girls and pretended that this was my first time to Thailand. This is to gauge if they are tourists or working girls. They smiled and told me about several places to eat and things to do in the area, not once mentioning Nana Plaza which is about 200 meters away. Why you might ask? It's because these girls know that Nana is their competition. So of course I played dumb and asked them about Soi Cowboy which was further away. They asked me why I wanted to go there? I answered because I heard there where pretty girls I can go look at. The Russian girls then told me that they will just take my money with drinks and give me nothing. That was their cue to who they really are and it means "game on. " I need not say more, you just have to be really good at understanding hidden meanings and the subliminal messages sent when hunting. I allowed these Ruskies to think they persuaded me to spend my money and my time with them instead of going to Soi Cowboy, which I had no intention. They wanted 3000 each for a threesome, but I countered them with 2000 each plus tip and a promise to see them as much as I could while I was staying at this same hotel as they. They agreed and escorted me up to their room on the 7th floor because in my room had my American black buddy, who was a former NFL player, quietly and peacefully asleep. In the room, the girls where a bit camera shy until I offered a couple hundred bahts for some faceless pics. Sorry it's the best I could do without my cute teddy bear. The teddy itself is magical. Can we all agree that it has probably seen more hot pussy than most guys alive? But before both girls would even undress, I had to pay the 2000 and tip to each girl up front. Not a big deal as I was already in the room. The threesome in itself, was not a true threesome. There was no girl on girl action, but they did start by giving me a double BBBJ at the same time that lasted about 15 minutes. From there it was a switching girls fuck-a-thon, with no pussy eating or kissing by the girls with each other. They each did take turns riding my mouth with their pussy while the other one was riding my cock. Both girls has pussy piercings and fake boobs. The brunette got mad when I bit her clit and sucked on her clitoris ring. The brunette was also rather lazy and when she came first during doggy, she got tired, quit, and went to take a bath. I think I heard her mumbled "stupid Japanese pervert" on the way to the bathroom, perhaps because I tried to shove a thumb in her ass. I was a bit disappointed, it had only been like 45 minutes worth of fuck and suck by the two. The blonde however, was more accommodating and friendly. After her friend went away, she pulled off the condom and got me hard again with a great sloppy spitty blowjob. She then fucked me hard in various positions for the whole time the other girl was taking a bath and even allowed DFK and finger in her ass during K9. She was loud and very vocal. I tried to get her to call me Putin while I was fucking her in missionary. I have a feeling that taking these girls one at a time would have been better bet. They get kinkier and nastier when alone. I ended up asking to CIM to finish with the blonde. She went to the bathroom to tell the brunette something and came back to give me a nice BBBJ ending with CIM in which she guzzled my creamy stroganoff. Ahhh, it pays off to go exploring on your own with no fear in search of hidden treasures. Now, I know exactly where to go to find some white meat. By the way the desserts and coffee served in the Amari Boulevard lobby is non nom nom.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JSaint;2243204]I was scrolling through the forum and came across this review. Hands down, no one can compete with Monkey's game! The guy is legendary. You need to visit Patong from the 21st to 26th of December and teach this student of yours.
"Do. Or do not. There is no try. " Yoda.[/QUOTE]Did it dawn on you that MP is a writer and not really a doer? I bet a dollar to a donut hole that he's a walker. As in "money talks and bullshit walks". He will not meet you.
RL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2243209]Did it dawn on you that MP is a writer and not really a doer? I bet a dollar to a donut hole that he's a walker. As in "money talks and bullshit walks". He will not meet you.
RL.[/QUOTE]Especially when his description of the Amari Hotel is not even close to being real.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2243209]Did it dawn on you that MP is a writer and not really a doer? I bet a dollar to a donut hole that he's a walker. As in "money talks and bullshit walks". He will not meet you.
RL.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Not always wise to meet all the guys on a forum. I prefer to know only a very selected few guys that are very sane, and level headed, and laid back. In the far past I met many mongers known on the forum. Only maybe 10 to 20% were compatible.
A lot of the time, experienced mongers in a location just don't need wingmen, the girls are enough. Newbies may need buddies more so, who know how the land lies.
Years ago I got so many PMs, annoying mostly, was easier just to shut down that function. Maybe MP wants to get 200 PMs per day. LOL
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2243209]Did it dawn on you that MP is a writer and not really a doer? I bet a dollar to a donut hole that he's a walker. As in "money talks and bullshit walks". He will not meet you.[/QUOTE]I guess you do not realize that a few months ago he extended invitations to meet up, and has already met and hung out with people from this forum. So, I think you owe somebody a dollar. It would have been smarter to bet your money that someone that criticizes a person will not meet up with that person in order to be proven wrong.
You see, nobody that has met up with the guy has anything negative to say about him and attests to the things that he publicly says he does. But then after that the naysayers will lead you down a rabbit hole saying well in private he does not do the things he says he does in private, which can neither be proven nor disproven.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243294]
You see, nobody that has met up with the guy has anything negative to say about him and attests to the things that he publicly says he does. [/QUOTE]Then why is he such an annoying, self-satisfied prick on this forum?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2243325]Then why is he such an annoying, self-satisfied prick on this forum?[/QUOTE]I don't understand the need for name calling, but this makes no sense at all. It is his life. Should he not be trying to satisfy himself? You do not find a need or want to be satisfied throughout your life? I don't work all these hours to satisfy other people. I do it so I will have enough money to satisfy myself.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2241069]This part does not really make much sense, or ring true. Hard to believe he would need to be sleeping in your room. Surely he would not wish to impose in such a way as to sleep in your room. Any sensible guy would know you might need to use your room for private matters like 3 somes.
Only Indians and Thais share rooms with another guy. Farangs almost never do that. Okay You are not farang but still makes little sense.
Its better to have multiple very cheap rooms than to share a better one. Two rooms with connecting door normally closed could be workable. Not that many girls are going to be into gang bangs unless they like the guys and money is good.
For privacy reasons, I have sometimes had to be having two rooms concurrently. LOL Sharing is not on.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;2241422]Ha ha, I failed to read everything carefully, rarely read the whole lot of these posts, about where he was only in there to use the toilet. LOL Only the pics really caught my attention. Still it read like absolute twaddle, so I would be surprised if girls swallowed it too. The bigger the lie, the more believable? LOL Possibly an old but ineffective technique. The more crazy the lie, just shows too much imagination taking over and not plausible in the slightest. MP does demonstrate a very active imagination, and now proves he is a habitual liar, not at all like myself. I lack the imagination to make up stuff, and really just can't be bothered. Hardly ever lie to hookers, takes too much effort to remember all the exact thinks already said and maintain a consistent story.
One wonders if these girls in the Hotel really existed or not. Just a little bit too pretty for me to accept it as true. I never saw any "Russians" (Kazaks or Romanian or whatever) so good looking in Bangkok but perhaps was in the wrong place. Hookers staying in that Hotel? Seems unlikely. More likely lurking there but having no room as well. Maybe he fucked some girl but switched pics to make them look better than what they were. Who would trust this guy, who has a lot of trouble seeing reality distinct from his imagination? LOL We need to see the cum stained Teddy Bear. LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Syzygies;2241547]I meant his pics need to have girl somewhat unclothed holding the teddy bear to be more convincing, and not doctored pics. I guess I don't have expertise to tell.[/QUOTE]Your quotes definitely deserve some Nancy Drew honors for taking precious time out of your day to want dissect my story. Just relax, read, and thank me for not writing about where to find the best hamburger with a fried egg. And also why would I post pics of girls unclothed with a cum stained bear, so you can play Dudley Doo Right? You did eyeball some of the girls I've been with at the Go Go bars in Nana, like #5 at Rainbow 4. But your biggest honor is the Walking Dead one. Really, got to love Negan's quote. In case you forgotten the specifics of your honors, you can read up below. Enjoy.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482]4. The Walking Dead. A tribute to the American post apocalyptic horror television series about the journey, pains, and sufferings of human life and its survival in the months and years that follow a zombie apocalypse. *The Walkers are the brainless dead, that just only care about eating. My favorite quote from this movie is from "The Last Day on Earth" episode when Negan tells Rick, "It sucks don't it? The moment when you realize you don't know shit. ".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Lefeu;2241228]I think you are the one stretching the humor, here.
Unless you know the guy very well, this is simply a bizarre story. So far, you have not said anything about how well you know the guy. I have mongered with many folks that I know really well. We have never entertained the idea of sharing a room, even in a place like Wanchai, Hong Kong, or Tokyo, where the rooms are relatively expensive. MP appears to have a good command of English, hence, his cultural background would not be a justification for such a stupid maneuver.[/QUOTE]You do a poor job of reading between the lines which means you game or "gamesmanship" level is low. You sir get Walking Dead award.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482]4. The Walking Dead. A tribute to the American post apocalyptic horror television series about the journey, pains, and sufferings of human life and its survival in the months and years that follow a zombie apocalypse. *The Walkers are the brainless dead, that just only care about eating. My favorite quote from this movie is from "The Last Day on Earth" episode when Negan tells Rick, "It sucks don't it? The moment when you realize you don't know shit. "[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Nounce;2241237]I think what Blanquiceleste is saying the room being occupied is made up so talking about sharing room is pointless
Because MP also said this.
This stupid shit is still more entertaining than other posts. I would just go there to check out the girls and report back if I were in Bangkok.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=WhatDHell;2241236]English is not my first language but I get what MP is saying and the humour in his writing. Facepalm .[/QUOTE][QUOTE=BananaBoi;2241266]I know MP and I agree with blancqui's conclusion.
MP made up the story of a black Ex NFL player sleeping in his room to trick the girls to use their room since MP was staying at a hotel far away. The reason he specified to the girls it was a big black professional athlete was to make the story far fetched to the girls to see if they fall for it.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2241224]Christ. Two highly experienced mongers here. And they don't get it? MP was never staying in the hotel to begin with, so it was simply a story made up to see where things would go with the girls.
Please tell me you guys were stretching the humour here. Please![/QUOTE]Blue Clues awards all the way for you four for figuring it out. That's means you have some game, street smarts, and hustle in you.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482]3. Blue - A tribute to a very innovative animation series, Blues Clues, in which Steve, the host, presents the audience with a puzzle involving Blue, the animated dog. To help the audience unlock the puzzle, Blue leaves behind a series of clues, which are objects marked with one of her paw prints. In between the discovery of the clues, Steve plays a series of*games. As the show unfolds, Steve and Blue move from one animated set to another, jumping through magical doorways, leading viewers on a journey of discovery, until the end of the story. Those who follow these clues correctly, always gets rewarded.*
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[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2243171]I am almost developing an admiration now. BBBJ+CIM (as described in detail in one of your posts) or BBFS as the minimum acceptable service. THAT is low standard? Now I wonder what high standards would be like.
Wait a minute. Do I admire or do I pity? Tough choice.
Oh. Did I say that I read and post here for my own entertainment? Whether you get anything out of it or not is purely incidental.[/QUOTE]Yes, the "or" ought to make that minimal requirement quite doable unless the girl is not really in the business of P4P and only a hobbyist hanging around waiting for money for doing almost nothing. But it needs to be a genuine BBBJ+CIM, not a Hand Job with some oral foreplay thrown in. I did not move to Thailand to settle for less than that even if offered for free. And the girl can be less than the hottest girl in the bar, of course. But at least reasonably attractive and fit. I have found that combination of not particularly high standards to be difficult to come by in Pattaya compared with Bangkok.
[QUOTE=JSaint;2243204]I was scrolling through the forum and came across this review. Hands down, no one can compete with Monkey's game! The guy is legendary. You need to visit Patong from the 21st to 26th of December and teach this student of yours.
"Do. Or do not. There is no try. " Yoda.[/QUOTE]I can help you with some of that already; you don't need to tip a doorman 20 baht to use the toilet in a four or five star hotel in Bangkok. And while you might think you are being clever in pretending to be an ill-informed rube, not much chance of that flying if at the same time you want to be seen clever enough to negotiate a quoted 3,000 baht ST into a 2,000 baht ST on the spot. Twice. Oh, and so many more hogwash "tells" in that report. lol. But good luck with your lessons.
[QUOTE=ShinyMewtwo;2241352]Or it was because it is generally (or should I say stereotypically) believed that people from Russia and the surrounding area are rather racist and thus it would be less likely that they would have insisted on going to his (non-existent) room to have fun with a potential second customer as well.[/QUOTE]Blues Clues honors as well. So smart. You have a lot of game and know how to read between lines, think out of the box and all that good shit!
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482]3. Blue - A tribute to a very innovative animation series, Blues Clues, in which Steve, the host, presents the audience with a puzzle involving Blue, the animated dog. To help the audience unlock the puzzle, Blue leaves behind a series of clues, which are objects marked with one of her paw prints. In between the discovery of the clues, Steve plays a series of*games. As the show unfolds, Steve and Blue move from one animated set to another, jumping through magical doorways, leading viewers on a journey of discovery, until the end of the story. Those who follow these clue correctly, always gets rewarded.*
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[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243330]I don't understand the need for name calling, but this makes no sense at all. It is his life. Should he not be trying to satisfy himself? You do not find a need or want to be satisfied throughout your life? I don't work all these hours to satisfy other people. I do it so I will have enough money to satisfy myself.[/QUOTE]It makes perfect sense to me, but maybe you don't know the meaning of self-satisfied:
'excessively and unwarrantedly satisfied with oneself or one's achievements' (according to Google translate).
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2241514]It wouldn't prove anything. Maybe he likes his teddy bear so much that he's holding her (him?) in his arms while masturbating LOL.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2241510]Maybe not in this particular post. But he has for sure made up a lot of BS in other posts.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Mogwai;2243325]Then why is he such an annoying, self-satisfied prick on this forum?[/QUOTE]You without a doubt get so many honors that it puts the next guy in line to shame. Walking Dead, Mr. Magoo, Karius and Bactus, Dudley Doo Right, Nancy Drew, and lastly, Gumball honors all goes to you for your efforts. I appreciate your contributions and comments, but please don't lose sleep over me.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482] 4. The Walking Dead - A tribute to the American post apocalyptic horror television series about the journey, pains, and sufferings of human life and its survival in the months and years that follow a zombie apocalypse.*The Walkers are the brainless dead, that just only care about eating. My favorite quote from this movie is from The Last Day on Earth episode when Negan tells Rick, It sucks dont it? The moment when you realize you dont know shit.
5. Mr. Magoo - A tribute to one of my favorite cartoon characters of all time, Mr. Magoo. He is a wealthy, short-statured retiree who gets into a series of comical situations as a result of his extreme*near-sightedness, compounded by his stubborn refusal to admit the problem. However, through uncanny streaks of luck, the situation always seems to work itself out for him, leaving him no worse than before. Which is technically the same as when he started, so pretty much a wasting his time and energy. Coincidentally, Mr. Magoo also appears in a Christmas Carol as the cheap skate, Scrooge.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2243367]It makes perfect sense to me, but maybe you don't know the meaning of self-satisfied:
'excessively and unwarrantedly satisfied with oneself or one's achievements' (according to Google translate).[/QUOTE]So please fill us in on where this line is where it goes from normally to excessively or unwarrantedly. Unlike many, I have an open mind and am willing to learn.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2243271]A lot of the time, experienced mongers in a location just don't need wingmen, the girls are enough.[/QUOTE]They may not "need" a wingman, but it's more fun hanging out with someone if they are not self centered and go by the bros before hoes creedo. Any experienced monger will realize they can get a girl easily any time and just go with the flow.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2242482]
6. Karius and Bactus. A tribute from a short puppet play based on a Norwegian children's book about two tooth trolls named Karius (black haired) and Bactus (red haired). I remember this from grade school. Their names are puns on Caries and Bacteria, and they live inside cavities in the teeth of a boy named Jens who is as dirty as they come. They seemingly have a very good life, especially when Jens eats white bread with lots of maple syrup. Eventually their homes are destroyed by a dentist who teaches Jens proper hygiene, which in life, often requires that you brush your teeth with toothpaste and take showers with soap.[/QUOTE]And of course, I have forgotten, E. T. , he who walks around with his note from the doctor, like a magical charm to prevents him from getting chlamydia in his eye. You also get the Karius and Bactus award which can be share with the soapless one. Doesn't matter who is black haired and who is red haired, a tooth troll is still a tooth troll.
[QUOTE=Charlie28;2242330]Monkey paw,
You are awesome man. I have read your posts and can understand that you are enjoying the life by fucking beautiful girls and living luxurious life without caring about money that you spend. I am very curious and eager to know the basic idea of your method of earnings. Hope you would not mind. Would you please let me know, how have you been able to spend so much money on these girls? Are you a business tycoon? Please ignore if you don't want to answer. But if you don't mind then please let me know either in open forum or through PM. Waiting for your reply.
Charlie28.[/QUOTE]I bring cash in Thailand, use a credit card, or pull out of an ATM. The same way others do. If you are asking what line of work. I don't work. I think I should, but my father wants me to relax and enjoy. He covers it all. If you think it's an easy life, I almost guarantee that should would not want to go follow my steps to get where I am today. My life is not for the weak hearted or weak minded. It's something that I have yet to meet one person on the face of this Earth that will understand. You and I are world's apart, but still connected in a way where you will only grasp a fraction of what I am or even what I say. It's better that this is a mystery, for now at least. Just remember my favorite color is blue, but I have all colors.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243382]So please fill us in on where this line is where it goes from normally to excessively or unwarrantedly. Unlike many, I have an open mind and am willing to learn.[/QUOTE]Here are some quotes from MonkeyPaw's recent posts. Need I say more?
"I've said this many times before, we are not all on the same playing field with the same powers."
"Call this a professional courtesy considering all the dynamic possibilities that I can do with this wonderful mind God has bestowed upon me."
"While watching the girls dance, I debated back and forth on how to respond back to some of these assertions and comments I've been getting. Should I try to educate those who seem unknowing? Are they really pretending not to see the light? Do they not know how to read between the lines or are they just that stupid? Sometimes, with the way mind works, it comes too easy and I feel as if I'm bullying someone with Trisomy 21. When you are on a different level or different playing field from most, would you step off the gas and let them catch up or just run right over the slow pokes? These questions go on and on and gets me very confused on what to do sometimes with those who have a less game than me. In a way I kind of feel sorry for them. But in a way, I don't because they still profess to know it all when they don't."
"Once again, Monkeypaw powers that are very difficult to explain is being displayed."
"So now, you have seen just how generous Monkeypaw has been with your kind. Why? Because I don't give a fuck and I'm better than all this shit. I'm actually amazing alien and out of this world! So my advice is go exploring on your own and forget what anyone says about a venue or a girl. It's your life, your adventure, your journey. Don't let others dictate or limit what you can get out of this game. Don't be afraid to take a chance. To know what success is, you will have to fail. Just keep learning from your mistakes, (but don't make the same failures a habit) and you will be just fine. When you have experienced it all, the good and the bad, you will know your place in this game. The winners will always know the difference between better and worse, and who was the best. And when they all reach that point, they will still remember who was #1."
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2243294]I guess you do not realize that a few months ago he extended invitations to meet up, and has already met and hung out with people from this forum.[/QUOTE]Let me guess, you are a former black NFL player and he wanted to share a room with you.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2243389]They may not "need" a wingman, but it's more fun hanging out with someone if they are not self centered and go by the bros before hoes creedo. Any experienced monger will realize they can get a girl easily any time and just go with the flow.[/QUOTE]Some of us are more anti social. LOL I am not that much into hanging out. Look some guys are worthwhile and exceptions. However being choosy with friends is a good idea, especially given a percentage of ISGers may be crazy or delusional. There are guys who want to know too much so they gain the power to "out" ISGers, or report to girls what was written on here by Syzygies or whoever.
No interest to meet MP at all. A bit too full on. LOL I met the odd guy that seems to be the right type, to be trusted. Maybe I prefer selected Hookers. At least they are providing what I need. LOL Dicks are not much use to me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2243700]Some of us are more anti social. LOL I am not that much into hanging out. Look some guys are worthwhile and exceptions. However being choosy with friends is a good idea, especially given a percentage of ISGers may be crazy or delusional. [/QUOTE]I share your outlook and your concern. I think over a long period, I've Met 4-5 guys from this board, mostly after exchanges of emails, and the experiences were enjoyable. But like you, I'm pretty cautious.
GE.
My first time at Thermae 2 weeks ago. Was making the perimeter walk and checking out the (mostly young) ladies. About 3/4 the way around a woman, probably 30 ish, in a black dress, smiled, reached out, grabbed my hand and pulled me close. Immediately she stuck her nose right up to my left arm pit and took a whiff. Unusual? I must have passed the smell test because she then smiled and said, "I give you good BJ and boom boom for 2500. Real massage too, you will like." Apparently she works at a MP and had the day off. Funny. My only regret of the vacation is not choosing her, I keep thinking about her.
[QUOTE=GoodEnough;2243741]I share your outlook and your concern. I think over a long period, I've Met 4-5 guys from this board, mostly after exchanges of emails, and the experiences were enjoyable. But like you, I'm pretty cautious.
GE.[/QUOTE]I have met 2 guys from here and both times have turned out to be a good experiences with and one whom I communicate with several times a week even though we are opposite sides of the Pacific. I will be meeting another guy in February for a couple of days. I usually travel with my brother so I don't need the company but I like the different outlooks from guys from different countries.
I always like to get to know the guys via email or line and that way I know I'm not meeting a crazy.
I'm open to meet anyone for at least a beer and after that whatever else goes. It could be my Aussie spirit that makes me so accomodating LOL.
I have some BMs in mind I would like to meet next trip and I will PM when I am a month out from coming.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2243271]Ha ha. Not always wise to meet all the guys on a forum. I prefer to know only a very selected few guys that are very sane, and level headed, and laid back. In the far past I met many mongers known on the forum. Only maybe 10 to 20% were compatible.
A lot of the time, experienced mongers in a location just don't need wingmen, the girls are enough. Newbies may need buddies more so, who know how the land lies.
Years ago I got so many PMs, annoying mostly, was easier just to shut down that function. Maybe MP wants to get 200 PMs per day. LOL[/QUOTE]I Agree completely. Running with the buds can and will be uncomfortable when you want to move on and they want to party or go to another place. I also find that when I am with the bros I drink entirely to much.
I do prefer being a lone wolf in hunt of my prey. Going where I want when I want without the consideration of others and their whims and fancies.
I have seen wingmen get in the way of a building relationship with a new lady. Interrupt a serious negotiation and blow everything. You can go into almost any club or Bar and sit down and get into a nice conversation with anybody. I can as I am approachable and non threating. Better to fly alone and go with your own flow.
RL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2243913]I Agree completely. Running with the buds can and will be uncomfortable when you want to move on and they want to party or go to another place. I also find that when I am with the bros I drink entirely to much.
I do prefer being a lone wolf in hunt of my prey. Going where I want when I want without the consideration of others and their whims and fancies.
I have seen wingmen get in the way of a building relationship with a new lady. Interrupt a serious negotiation and blow everything. You can go into almost any club or Bar and sit down and get into a nice conversation with anybody. I can as I am approachable and non threating. Better to fly alone and go with your own flow.
RL.[/QUOTE]I am a friendly guy and will talk to any Falang I see. Probably have talked to one or two of you. You would remember me, 6'3", buff, kind of a dead ringer for Fabio in his prime, Armani and Piaget? Anyway, regardless, I prefer to work alone, more flexibliity.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2243645]Here are some quotes from MonkeyPaw's recent posts. Need I say more?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2243613]My life is not for the weak hearted or weak minded. It's something that I have yet to meet one person on the face of this Earth that will understand. You and I are world's apart, but still connected in a way where you will only grasp a fraction of what I am or even what I say. It's better that this is a mystery, for now at least. Just remember my favorite color is blue, but I have all colors.[/QUOTE]And another quote from his last post in this thread that was not yet visible when I posted the other quotes, even though he uploaded his post two hours earlier. Can anyone explain this? Are his posts checked by the admin before they are published, even though he's a senior member?
Anyway, regarding this last quote: who does he think he is? God?
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2243913]You can go into almost any club or Bar and sit down and get into a nice conversation with anybody. I can as I am approachable and non threating. Better to fly alone and go with your own flow.[/QUOTE]My thoughts exactly. I would never want to meet a BM who I've never seen or talked to before (with a few exceptions maybe), but it's allright if I get into a conversation with someone in a bar. If it turns out you don't get along with eachother then the conversation will simply end soon enough. Or me or the other person will move on, with or without some excuse.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2244094]Can anyone explain this? Are his posts checked by the admin before they are published, even though he's a senior member?[/QUOTE]Yes it is, but it has nothing to do with him in particular. It's exactly the same for me. My posts appear only 6 or 7 hours later.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2241025]This is how this world works and how this board operates. It's a jungle out there and it's all about ego and competition for the best looking pussy to some. Isn't that what we all strive for? To walk around with the hottest pussy following side by side, so that others can envy what we have, even for a moment. .[/QUOTE]Actually MP, this is what many of us came to Thailand to get away from. The wonderful thing about the scene when I moved here 19 years ago at the young age of 34 was that guys left there egos at home. There was very little competition for gals. Of course the ratio of gals to punters was far more slanted in the dude's favor back then and the scene was more farang and expat oriented. You couldn't walk 10 meters down Suk between Soi 3 and Thermae without hearing "go with you" every 10 meters. GoGo were very well stocked, and Nana Disco was filled every night. When Cowboy and Nana let out at 2 am there would be a stampede of gals all looking to work. Stand outside and you'd be propositioned more times than you could count. It was truly amazing. The proverbial shooting fish in a barrel. It required little to no effort to find a looker who was fun. And that was great. In fact that was the entire point. Thousands of gals to choose from, none more than 25 USD. It was the anthesis of exclusive, and that is what made it great. We were very spoiled.
In addition, I met very few guys who were concerned with stroking their egos. In fact, that type of behavior would just brings laughs and endless p$%% takes from other punters. And if I guy barfined a gal you wanted, it was really no big deal. Grab her tomorrow or the next day, or the next. Quick shower and she might as well be a virgin. The last thing any guys wanted was to compete for gals. Really defeated the purpose of being here and IMHO still does.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2244094]And another quote from his last post in this thread that was not yet visible when I posted the other quotes, even though he uploaded his post two hours earlier. Can anyone explain this? Are his posts checked by the admin before they are published, even though he's a senior member?[/QUOTE]Post are not review by Admin on a first come, first look basis. However, once reviewed they do get posted on the forum on the order received. So, it is common to see a post that was send after your getting posted, but later once yours is posted, it will appear in the right order. Also, timing differences can be explained by the fact that Admin is not on the same time zone as everyone posting.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2244630]Actually MP, this is what many of us came to Thailand to get away from. The wonderful thing about the scene when I moved here 19 years ago at the young age of 34 was that guys left there egos at home.[/QUOTE]I just thought that guys with more money or superior whatever had a better place in line. If some hot chick is walking around with me all it means is that she want me to spend money on her. How alpha is that?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2244630]Actually MP, this is what many of us came to Thailand to get away from. The wonderful thing about the scene when I moved here 19 years ago at the young age of 34 was that guys left there egos at home. There was very little competition for gals. Of course the ratio of gals to punters was far more slanted in the dude's favor back then and the scene was more farang and expat oriented. You couldn't walk 10 meters down Suk between Soi 3 and Thermae without hearing "go with you" every 10 meters. GoGo were very well stocked, and Nana Disco was filled every night. When Cowboy and Nana let out at 2 am there would be a stampede of gals all looking to work. Stand outside and you'd be propositioned more times than you could count. It was truly amazing. The proverbial shooting fish in a barrel. It required little to no effort to find a looker who was fun. And that was great. In fact that was the entire point. Thousands of gals to choose from, none more than 25 USD. It was the anthesis of exclusive, and that is what made it great. We were very spoiled.
In addition, I met very few guys who were concerned with stroking their egos. In fact, that type of behavior would just brings laughs and endless p$%% takes from other punters. And if I guy barfined a gal you wanted, it was really no big deal. Grab her tomorrow or the next day, or the next. Quick shower and she might as well be a virgin. The last thing any guys wanted was to compete for gals. Really defeated the purpose of being here and IMHO still does.[/QUOTE]Hear hear hear! Beyond that, why would anyone want a hot chick just to stroke ones ego? Most of us (well some of us) are secure in ourselves and could not give a shit as to what anyone thinks of us. You have got to be a small person if your self worth is measured by the paid hooker on your arm.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2244692]Hear hear hear! Beyond that, why would anyone want a hot chick just to stroke ones ego? Most of us (well some of us) are secure in ourselves and could not give a shit as to what anyone thinks of us. You have got to be a small person if your self worth is measured by the paid hooker on your arm.[/QUOTE]Is this really the right thread on this forum? I thought it was Stupid Shit not The Real Truth. Hear! Hear! Hear! She is only for my own pleasure and I don't give a shit if anyone else even knows about it.
[QUOTE=PointyStick;2244645]I just thought that guys with more money or superior whatever had a better place in line. If some hot chick is walking around with me all it means is that she want me to spend money on her. How alpha is that?[/QUOTE]Very few people paid more than the standard back in the day. And even if you did, everyone could afford it. ST was 1 k, and that was 25 USD. BF were 400 in Cowboy and drinks were 80 Baht. You could have a very good night for 50 USD. So what if you spent an extra 500 (12 USD) on the gal or on drinks. I mean FFS, if you want to have a really big night in the GoGos and then partake today, you are talking 10 K Baht. Over 300 USD. Sorry, that's a lot of money no matter how you slice is. And yes, there are some smug dudes who are glad that others can't afford it; shame that sort is here. I know almost no residents who hit the GoGos anymore. It's just a waste.
There was almost no competition, very little ego, and it was very relaxed and fun a decade ago. The opposite of what you see today.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2244692]Hear hear hear! Beyond that, why would anyone want a hot chick just to stroke ones ego? Most of us (well some of us) are secure in ourselves and could not give a shit as to what anyone thinks of us. You have got to be a small person if your self worth is measured by the paid hooker on your arm.[/QUOTE]I think a lot of it is cultural differences; for better or for worse. Asian dudes like to have their ego stroked. I saw that 20 years ago when I would go to G Clubs and see the local guys being fawned over by the gals who were feeding their egos. Most Western guys could care less about that and would rather not waste money for that. The scene has changed. It is far more Asian now, and rightly so; there are more Asians participating in the scene than Westerners. The gals shift to accommodate their customer and many Asians are uncomfortable with gals who are forward and uber sl $tty. There are almost no places in LOS that cater to Westerners. Soi 6 does as do a few GoGos. Dollhouse comes to mind. It's still pretty off the hook at times and has a manager that knows how to cater to farangs.
[QUOTE=Crazy4Thai;2244744]Is this really the right thread on this forum? I thought it was Stupid Shit not The Real Truth. Hear! Hear! Hear! She is only for my own pleasure and I don't give a shit if anyone else even knows about it.[/QUOTE]To be fair it was a reply chain from MP's "Stupid Shit". Thankfully there are more logical level headed writers around.
I see a lot of Farangs at airport with pretty ordinary looking Thai girls. These are likely chosen for character qualities and not beauty.
When I want a girl just for fucking purposes, I want a really good looking one. Can't be bothered with just a piece of meat. Looks is part of the sexual excitement.
And a big part for me. Maybe I somehow got conditioned by only looking at stunners in Erotic Arty videos.
Can't be bother looking at porn with ugly or obvious exaggerated surgeries girls, or performing extreme ugly acts. Does nothing for me.
I am a guy who likes pretty face, stunning ass, slim thighs, and beautiful pussy too. If girl is not good in these categories, cuts my interest.
Trophy and showing off thinking seems weird, since mostly we are trying to be not seen mongering by anyone that knows us.
Also I do very few different girls in total, so not about notches, and not about "fear of missing out" to try something else.
More like the best alternative available at the time and just a little variety (some big tits some small), some different skill levels.
I hardly utilise recommended girls at all, Never had any regular girl based on a recommendation, more so recommended places, and particularly by those who share similar taste, such as Natty B for example.
Even I like to watch really beautiful naked girls giggling, I even cut back my gogo bar attendance greatly to be maybe only 1 or 2 visits per month, mainly just going to regular girls. There are good cheaper options, such as private arrangements where no bar visit is necessary. I think I will suggest private meet for my Shark girl too to save wasting time and money in the bar. It has no naked dancing! LOL I don't even drink alcohol normally. So really Shark bar has no attraction other than to BF the girl. If I want to just chat to a girl, there are pubs. I can't be bothered going to Crazy House any more. Just went too far downhill, too much surgeries, and no regular girls there any more.
I can confine Gogo bar visits to when hunting for new regular girls now, and only because they have better looking girls than MPs, and can spend time to check chemistry.
USD $300 is nearing $400 Australian for me. You can get a stunning European girl for that price in Sydney who has been fully reviewed which takes the risk out. I'm not going to rip into Monkeypaw for this attitude because its something a lot of younger guys have to pursue; external validation. It's also utterly pointless and something guy's grow out of with maturity (or not).
I'm in BKK right now and I've decided to stay with the PMP's on Soi 24 at 2000 k. Asian MP's are very cheap in Sydney so its a bit pointless now I realise.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2244780]Very few people paid more than the standard back in the day. And even if you did, everyone could afford it. ST was 1 k, and that was 25 USD. BF were 400 in Cowboy and drinks were 80 Baht. You could have a very good night for 50 USD. So what if you spent an extra 500 (12 USD) on the gal or on drinks. I mean FFS, if you want to have a really big night in the GoGos and then partake today, you are talking 10 K Baht. Over 300 USD. Sorry, that's a lot of money no matter how you slice is. And yes, there are some smug dudes who are glad that others can't afford it; shame that sort is here. I know almost no residents who hit the GoGos anymore. It's just a waste.
There was almost no competition, very little ego, and it was very relaxed and fun a decade ago. The opposite of what you see today.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2244630]Stand outside and you'd be propositioned more times than you could count. It was truly amazing. The proverbial shooting fish in a barrel. It required little to no effort to find a looker who was fun. And that was great. In fact that was the entire point. Thousands of gals to choose from, none more than 25 USD. It was the anthesis of exclusive, and that is what made it great. We were very spoiled.[/QUOTE]Well said. Thailand until 2010 or so was a sight to behold. I truly enjoyed that aspect of no Farang men having to struggle or fight to outdo each other, there was more than enough pussy for everyone, even the least attractive (in every aspect) among us. That was something unique and liberating in Thailand at that time, which I'm afraid might not be repeated anywhere during our lifetimes. The question on my mind was "which interesting Thai girl do I pick tonight", rather than "I hope I finally come across someone decent", or that awful western "how do I get laid, hope I get lucky".
Personally, I think those times have spoiled me to the point that I refuse to go to places where you're supposed to act, spend lavishly and try to outdo other men to get the girl, even if girls are relatively plentiful and attractive. The contempt for the "I'm a big shot and I can get any girl here" types still remains. In the old times, the answer was "sure you can, and so can the fat elderly Fritz there in the corner, if he manages to stumble back to his hotel."
[QUOTE=GigiBuffon;2244642]Post are not review by Admin on a first come, first look basis. However, once reviewed they do get posted on the forum on the order received. So, it is common to see a post that was send after your getting posted, but later once yours is posted, it will appear in the right order. Also, timing differences can be explained by the fact that Admin is not on the same time zone as everyone posting.[/QUOTE]This might all be true but it was not my point. Posts from senior members should be visible immediately because they are not reviewed. So my guess is there's something going on when the posts of a senior member are not immediately visible.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2244838]This might all be true but it was not my point. Posts from senior members should be visible immediately because they are not reviewed. So my guess is there's something going on when the posts of a senior member are not immediately visible.[/QUOTE]There are senior members post that do not get posted right away. Because they have been bad boys arguing and name calling, their posts are subject to review before being posted.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2244838]This might all be true but it was not my point. Posts from senior members should be visible immediately because they are not reviewed. So my guess is there's something going on when the posts of a senior member are not immediately visible.[/QUOTE]As I understand it some members are on a review list. I know I am after myself and the scot who ran DR BJ had some unruly exchanges a while back. That was a long time ago and although I have been a good boy since apparently once on this watch list its permanent. My posts sometimes appear first time on page 2, it depends on many postings there were after yours and how long the moderator took to review. Otherwise I understand your posts are visible immediately.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2244853]There are senior members post that do not get posted right away. Because they have been bad boys arguing and name calling, their posts are subject to review before being posted.[/QUOTE]Not true. I've never been arguing with anyone and my posts are still being reviewed by admin before appearing on the forum.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2244831]Well said. Thailand until 2010 or so was a sight to behold. I truly enjoyed that aspect of no Farang men having to struggle or fight to outdo each other, there was more than enough pussy for everyone, even the least attractive (in every aspect) among us. That was something unique and liberating in Thailand at that time, which I'm afraid might not be repeated anywhere during our lifetimes. The question on my mind was "which interesting Thai girl do I pick tonight", rather than "I hope I finally come across someone decent", or that awful western "how do I get laid, hope I get lucky".
Personally, I think those times have spoiled me to the point that I refuse to go to places where you're supposed to act, spend lavishly and try to outdo other men to get the girl, even if girls are relatively plentiful and attractive. The contempt for the "I'm a big shot and I can get any girl here" types still remains. In the old times, the answer was "sure you can, and so can the fat elderly Fritz there in the corner, if he manages to stumble back to his hotel."[/QUOTE]Very well stated. Could not agree more. Sadly, you are correct. There will never be another place like that in our lifetimes. It is just way to much work to find something decent and there is always a compromise, either looks or performance; I won't even mention money as just about every encounter is poor value for money at present.
I just can't be bothered with those types of places and people either. Nothing brings on more of cringe then someone boasting about what they paid or what they are able to pay. And it's awful that has become part of the scene. Competing for working girls. I can't help but chuckle. It was the gals that were competing for us. And that is exactly the way it should be.
Monkeypaw Tip #1 of the Day: I just wanted to take a brief moment to do the "Monkeypaw does care" type of thing, by helping remind some folks on here, that we are now in the year 2018, with 2019 fast approaching around the corner. Yes sir, that means nobody collects beanie babies anymore, the Spice Girls are not hot, the Macarena is dead, and if you are still wearing a Members Only jacket, you might be the last member to do so. Good idea to keep updating your software, no matter how old and tired your phone is.
Monkeypaw Tip #2 of the Day: There is a difference between confidence with a hint of swagger versus egotistical mixed with arrogance. Those with confidence and swagger have proven track history and have no problem with sharing their success. Their swagger is the real deal only if they back it up. Those who are egotistical, are often hiding, self inflated, and have accomplished little that can even be proven. They too like to give advice as well. But it lacks any details and therefore lacks evidence. Pretty much it's what us Asian folks call "all talk and no wok. ".
Monkeypaw Tip #3 of the Day: I borrowed this one from Confucious who says "it's not wise to accept any "mouth watering" recipes from those who eat their own wet poo poo. " Definitely words to live by, just saying.
P.S. Just wondering if anybody can sense the change in teddy? Call it a transformation of sorts. Pathway.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2244945]Monkeypaw Tip #1 of the Day: I just wanted to take a brief moment to do the "Monkeypaw does care" type of thing, by helping remind some folks on here, that we are now in the year 2018, with 2019 fast approaching around the corner. Yes sir, that means nobody collects beanie babies anymore, the Spice Girls are not hot, the Macarena is dead, and if you are still wearing a Members Only jacket, you might be the last member to do so. Good idea to keep updating your software, no matter how old and tired your phone is.
Monkeypaw Tip #2 of the Day: There is a difference between confidence with a hint of swagger versus egotistical mixed with arrogance. Those with confidence and swagger have proven track history and have no problem with sharing their success. Their swagger is the real deal only if they back it up. Those who are egotistical, are often hiding, self inflated, and have accomplished little that can even be proven. They too like to give advice as well. But it lacks any details and therefore lacks evidence. Pretty much it's what us Asian folks call "all talk and no wok. ".
Monkeypaw Tip #3 of the Day: I borrowed this one from Confucious who says "it's not wise to accept any "mouth watering" recipes from those who eat their own wet poo poo. " Definitely words to live by, just saying.
P.S. Just wondering if anybody can sense the change in teddy? Call it a transformation of sorts. Pathway.[/QUOTE]Nose is different. Biggest change is the shirt. What does the new logo represent?
Now it's been explained to us. George W. Bush #43 described "swagger" It's called "walking" in Texas.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2245116]Now it's been explained to us. George W. Bush #43 described "swagger" It's called "walking" in Texas.[/QUOTE]Yeah. And we know what an amazingly accomplished president worthy of swagger W was.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2245226]The best I have seen is either Vasu near Soi 7/1 or the top of the escalator to Asok BTS. Vasu insists on a copy of your PP. All others I have been to will accept your drivers license. The ones at the airport like everything at the airport is not fair and expensive.
RL.[/QUOTE]Actually the best place that I know of is above Thermae, to the right of the open air restaurant, but only during daytime hours before 4 pm. They are closed Sundays. No ID required, better rates, plus an extra 1000 will get you her phone number and an appointment that evening. Or else you can just wait until the weekend late afternoons, when she works Soi 6 as well. Either way, 1000 gets you a happy birthday like it's your first one.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2244945]Monkeypaw Tip #2 of the Day: There is a difference between confidence with a hint of swagger versus egotistical mixed with arrogance. Those with confidence and swagger have proven track history and have no problem with sharing their success. Their swagger is the real deal only if they back it up. Those who are egotistical, are often hiding, self inflated, and have accomplished little that can even be proven. They too like to give advice as well. But it lacks any details and therefore lacks evidence. Pretty much it's what us Asian folks call "all talk and no wok.[/QUOTE]Shake head emoji.
Coffee shops. Amari Hotel.
Going by the last 2 dozen posts or so, I think its time to set up a thread called Reminiscing the Old Days. That would keep this thread as stupid as it was intended to be. Hmm?
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245235]Actually the best place that I know of is above Thermae, to the right of the open air restaurant, but only during daytime hours before 4 pm. They are closed Sundays. No ID required, better rates, plus an extra 1000 will get you her phone number and an appointment that evening. Or else you can just wait until the weekend late afternoons, when she works Soi 6 as well. Either way, 1000 gets you a happy birthday like it's your first one.[/QUOTE]Dee Money corner of Soi 8 has the best rates in the Suk area. If you want to trudge to Chit Lom, then the green SuperRich is the best in the city.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2245406]Dee Money corner of Soi 8 has the best rates in the Suk area. If you want to trudge to Chit Lom, then the green SuperRich is the best in the city.[/QUOTE]They are all within a few baht of each other.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2245406]Dee Money corner of Soi 8 has the best rates in the Suk area. If you want to trudge to Chit Lom, then the green SuperRich is the best in the city.[/QUOTE]If anyone is short of baht late at night and want to change foreign currency all these places are closed. But there is still the exchanges in the Arab quarter that are open very late, in the alley between soi 5 and the Muslim restaurants. These are the small shops that look like they are selling phone numbers, they don't advertise as money exchanges, you have to ask them at what is the rate for your currency. I've always had a little better rate in one of these shops than Vasu or super rich, and as far as I remember never been asked to produce an ID also.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245235]Actually the best place that I know of is above Thermae, to the right of the open air restaurant, but only during daytime hours before 4 pm. They are closed Sundays. No ID required, better rates, plus an extra 1000 will get you her phone number and an appointment that evening. Or else you can just wait until the weekend late afternoons, when she works Soi 6 as well. Either way, 1000 gets you a happy birthday like it's your first one.[/QUOTE]When was this pic taken? It looks like some of these girls are good looking, particularly number 4 from left looks very good. Nowadays are there really girls like this in soi 6 bars?
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2245449]When was this pic taken? It looks like some of these girls are good looking, particularly number 4 from left looks very good. Nowadays are there really girls like this in soi 6 bars?[/QUOTE]Photo is recent. This is Lust bar. Imo 4th from the left with the silver shoes is the only nice one in that photo. I attached another photo of her. Lust has 2 pretty girls that I have yet to see their photos on the net. Still lots of overweight uglies as all soi 6 bars have. Imo the prettiest girl on soi 6 works at Lust. She was busy the other day with a Japanese guy or I would have grabbed her. It is one of the few bars on soi 6 catering the Japanese. Lots of bell ringing the other day to buy all girls in the bar a drink. I swear this is how the uglies survive.
Soi 6 talent is very high this week for soi 6. At 1000 baht there are many choices for everyone on a budget.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2245543]Photo is recent. This is Lust bar. Imo 4th from the left with the silver shoes is the only nice one in that photo. I attached another photo of her. [/QUOTE]I agree too (shock shock). Thanks for the better view. Even her nose job looks pretty decent. LOL Rare I like the same girl as you, but an obvious class above the others. There seemed to a lot of fatties in the group shot. Still it is pretty normal for a bar to have just 1 or 2 really nice looking girls in amongst the "riff raff" and some bars have zero good looking girls.
I don't do a lot of Oily MP girls in Bangkok any more, because only found one close to this good looking in the last 2 years. Does not mean it's impossible but probably requires a lot of leg work because web pics often make girls look far better than reality. Despite the hatred of bars by many, at least can find the odd girl with a pretty face and a good body. For some the face does not seem to matter, so in that case they have many candidates.
Interesting you mention a bar suitable for Japanese. In Bangkok so many bars are now full of Asian customers, and only the odd 1 or 2 Farangs seen in there. Expats bars are now rather few and tend to be the low surgeries bars with more traditional Thai looks. Then there are bars that cater for both Farangs and East Asians with a good mix, but I fear these are dwindling.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2245410]They are all within a few baht of each other.[/QUOTE]Actually all within a few satang of each other. Only worth traipsing around if you are going to exchange a bundle.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2245588]I agree too (shock shock). Thanks for the better view. Even her nose job looks pretty decent. LOL Rare I like the same girl as you, but an obvious class above the others. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2245543]Photo is recent. This is Lust bar. Imo 4th from the left with the silver shoes is the only nice one in that photo. I attached another photo of her. Lust has 2 pretty girls that I have yet to see their photos on the net. Still lots of overweight uglies as all soi 6 bars have. Imo the prettiest girl on soi 6 works at Lust. She was busy the other day with a Japanese guy or I would have grabbed her.[/QUOTE]Man both of you guys have been doing this longer than I have and are older than me. She has a cute face and that's about it. You can tell she has had a kid from the photo and probably bad baby damage from the way her stomach sits and is shaped. I would guess a Cesarean sec. Plus there is no center cleavage which suggest she has no boobs whatsoever, and that's all padding in the bra. She's has nice long legs, but very skinny. Come on, tell me you can pick up on these clues? I pay attention to the details to the 9's. Call it Monkeypaw intuition. But for 1000, it's okay. If that girl knew about Thermae, she would be rich!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2245588]I agree too (shock shock). Thanks for the better view. Even her nose job looks pretty decent. LOL Rare I like the same girl as you, but an obvious class above the others. There seemed to a lot of fatties in the group shot. Still it is pretty normal for a bar to have just 1 or 2 really nice looking girls in amongst the "riff raff" and some bars have zero good looking girls.[/QUOTE]How can you tell from only one and not really sharp picture that this girl had a nose job? You really have an obsession and see nose jobs everywhere LOL.
And where are the fatties? I see four girls that have some overweight but they are not fat IMO. Many girls in Pattaya are much fatter than these ones.
However I know you like them skinny.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245235]Actually the best place that I know of is above Thermae, to the right of the open air restaurant, but only during daytime hours before 4 pm. They are closed Sundays. No ID required, better rates, plus an extra 1000 will get you her phone number and an appointment that evening. Or else you can just wait until the weekend late afternoons, when she works Soi 6 as well. Either way, 1000 gets you a happy birthday like it's your first one.[/QUOTE]FWIW I have been reading about whether MP is for real or just an entertaining storyteller. Now I am leaning towards you being mostly real. This is the exact place (above Thermae) that I change my money. No lines, good rates & don't have to show ID. Have not tried dating the counter woman though, I mean you can just ask her out? I don't speak Thai so never tried it. Kudos to you man.
Pretend for a minute, that on your way to let's say Walking Street and you saw a group of dinosaurs huddled on the beach reenacting "2 Girls One Cup. " All they did was poo every where and passed it around to each other mouth by mouth. For most of us, seeing these drongos share their own crap for a meal, is first vomit, ignore, and then walk across the street to avoid. But that's for those who fear, believe in live and let live, and want to avoid conflict, which is not always the better thing to do. For others who want the world a better place, an "attempted" correction is always in order. You can do it in one of two ways. Let's take a look at the first approach which is mild and smooth. I like this method when I'm short on time and don't want to waste too much of it. I call this the Mr. E 2 DaPoint approach. Just tell them "Yo, eating kaka is no good for you. It is gross and will make you sick. Food is the way it's supposed to work and 7-11 has plenty of it. " Very straight forward, cuts to the chase, offers simple obvious facts to prove a point, and even suggests a solution. But these are dinosaurs, who could care less, and they just growl back Grrrr!
So another way of dealing with them is a bit more sophisticated, and requires a bit of time and savviness. I like to call this, the Blanq Slate approach. Talk to them as if they don't know any better, perhaps know nothing at all. Even if it means you have to use examples, analogies, metaphors, or simple nursery rhymes to show them the errs of their way and of course, with "some reasoning. " But this only works if they were able to evolve. I often attempt this approach as well, but realize quickly, that I am working at levels beyond their understanding. Just because we share one Earth, doesn't mean we come from the same world. Not all the doorways that life has to offer can be opened by every just because it can breathe. Breathing does not equate to life. Think about that. Anyways, dinosaurs are what they are, because they refuse change and did not adapt. They are mindless, weak spirited, and truth, logic, and reality means little to them. So relax in knowing, without them, there is no you. All one has to do is throw in some condescending humor with the Blanq Slate approach, it shows that you are serious about them being entertainment for all to enjoy.
Then there, of course, is the Monkeypaw way of doing things. Buy them food, maybe some chocolate Fuddy Buddy bars, because Monkeypaw thinks talk is very cheap. Then throw it at them like ping pong balls at Go Go bar. The dinosaurs either get happy or mad, thankful or ungrateful, but eventually one or more amongst them, will pick up the message being sent. They have a single purpose in life, which is to eventually disappear, and nobody will ever know why. So for the time being, it is just entertainment because of their mindlessness. The less brain, the easier it is to lose control of emotions, and the reactions become apparent. Think of it as if you just said, without yelling, to a crowd, in a normal behind the keyboard voice, "Hey dumbass," but it wasn't directed to anyone specific. So what does it say about any of the folks who react, turn around, or reply back, "Where you talking to me?" It means you got one, that inner spirit of theirs knows it's being talked to, and wants to come out. Control their emotions, control their actions. Learn to do that and you will get to play them like pieces on a chess board.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2245543]
Soi 6 talent is very high this week for soi 6. At 1000 baht there are many choices for everyone on a budget.[/QUOTE]What do you get on soi 6 for 1000 Bth, shower + oil massage? Short time with one pop? .
[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2245693]FWIW I have been reading about whether MP is for real or just an entertaining storyteller. Now I am leaning towards you being mostly real. This is the exact place (above Thermae) that I change my money. No lines, good rates & don't have to show ID. Have not tried dating the counter woman though, I mean you can just ask her out? I don't speak Thai so never tried it. Kudos to you man.[/QUOTE]LOL. How are you leaning towards him being for real when other people like BB who have been posting for years have actually hung out with the guy? Of course he is fucking for real! Nobody that has hung out with him has accused him of not being for real.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245742]Pretend for a minute, that on your way to let's say Walking Street and you saw a group of dinosaurs huddled on the beach reenacting "2 Girls One Cup. " All they did was poo every where and passed it around to each other mouth by mouth. For most of us, seeing these drongos share their own crap for a meal, is first vomit, ignore, and then walk across the street to avoid. But that's for those who fear, believe in live and let live, and want to avoid conflict, which is not always the better thing to do. For others who want the world a better place, an "attempted" correction is always in order. You can do it in one of two ways. Let's take a look at the first approach which is mild and smooth. I like this method when I'm short on time and don't want to waste too much of it. I call this the Mr. E 2 DaPoint approach. Just tell them "Yo, eating kaka is no good for you. It is gross and will make you sick. Food is the way it's supposed to work and 7-11 has plenty of it. " Very straight forward, cuts to the chase, offers simple obvious facts to prove a point, and even suggests a solution. But these are dinosaurs, who could care less, and they just growl back Grrrr!
So another way of dealing with them is a bit more sophisticated, and requires a bit of time and savviness. I like to call this, the Blanq Slate approach. Talk to them as if they don't know any better, perhaps know nothing at all. Even if it means you have to use examples, analogies, metaphors, or simple nursery rhymes to show them the errs of their way and of course, with "some reasoning. " But this only works if they were able to evolve. I often attempt this approach as well, but realize quickly, that I am working at levels beyond their understanding. Just because we share one Earth, doesn't mean we come from the same world. Not all the doorways that life has to offer can be opened by every just because it can breathe. Breathing does not equate to life. Think about that. Anyways, dinosaurs are what they are, because they refuse change and did not adapt. They are mindless, weak spirited, and truth, logic, and reality means little to them. So relax in knowing, without them, there is no you. All one has to do is throw in some condescending humor with the Blanq Slate approach, it shows that you are serious about them being entertainment for all to enjoy.
Then there, of course, is the Monkeypaw way of doing things. Buy them food, maybe some chocolate Fuddy Buddy bars, because Monkeypaw thinks talk is very cheap. Then throw it at them like ping pong balls at Go Go bar. The dinosaurs either get happy or mad, thankful or ungrateful, but eventually one or more amongst them, will pick up the message being sent. They have a single purpose in life, which is to eventually disappear, and nobody will ever know why. So for the time being, it is just entertainment because of their mindlessness. The less brain, the easier it is to lose control of emotions, and the reactions become apparent. Think of it as if you just said, without yelling, to a crowd, in a normal behind the keyboard voice, "Hey dumbass," but it wasn't directed to anyone specific. So what does it say about any of the folks who react, turn around, or reply back, "Where you talking to me?" It means you got one, that inner spirit of theirs knows it's being talked to, and wants to come out. Control their emotions, control their actions. Learn to do that and you will get to play them like pieces on a chess board.[/QUOTE]Talk about eating shit. I watched the documentary about the billionaire anti virus inventor, John MacAfee. He sold out and moved to Belize. One of his desires that he did daily was to have his ladies sit in a webbed chair with a hole cut in it. He had them shit in his mouth. The ladies give testimony to this in the doc. Very interesting if you have an hour to spare. I think it was on Netflix or YouTube.
Proof that a genius can be as stupid as hell. I thought, as anyone would, that when the girls were talking about a hanging web chair it was the "Tijuana spinning basket job", we used to get when visiting Tijuana, and in Viet Nam. Each to his own I guess.
RL.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2245866]I thought, as anyone would, that when the girls were talking about a hanging web chair it was the "Tijuana spinning basket job", we used to get when visiting Tijuana, and in Viet Nam. Each to his own I guess.[/QUOTE]LOL. I saw the show and was thinking the same thing as you were. I went to Belize for scuba diving a few months ago and was thinking why the hell would someone move here.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245678] But for 1000, it's okay. If that girl knew about Thermae, she would be rich![/QUOTE]Of course I can see everything you pointed out but I posted a soi 6 girl who imo was the best one in a photo you posted. Correct me if you think another girl in that photo has a better face. You know we don't have the same taste in girls. For 1000 baht that's a half decent find. All girls on soi 6 have some flaw like baby damage, bad teeth. It's why they are there and not taking 5 to 7 k from an Asian tourist. If she were in Tantra she would just be one of the girls and not even in the top 10 lookers but on soi 6 she's a star looks wise.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245678] She's has nice long legs, but very skinny. Come on, tell me you can pick up on these clues? I pay attention to the details to the 9's. Call it Monkeypaw intuition. But for 1000, it's okay. If that girl knew about Thermae, she would be rich![/QUOTE]Sure I can see her belly is not perfect. No tits. I do prefer quite skinny girls, with sometimes quite small tits. Small A cups don't bother me if not badly shaped. Under such a bra, I cannot tell, which is why I am normally not choosing girls dressed like this. I prefer to see them more exposed.
Most of my regular girls have had a baby, so I don't rule them out, unless damage is too ugly. Generally girls with baby are not so dick scared.
She was still clearly the pick of the group in the photo, particularly due to a cute face.
It is rare we see stunners from Pattaya posted. So this girl was prettier than most.
[QUOTE=DelBosque;2245810]What do you get on soi 6 for 1000 Bth, shower + oil massage? Short time with one pop? .[/QUOTE]There are no massages from the girls on Soi 6. Just one fuck for 1000 baht to the girl. Room charge is separate.
[QUOTE=RobertLong;2245866]Talk about eating shit. I watched the documentary about the billionaire anti virus inventor, John MacAfee. He sold out and moved to Belize. One of his desires that he did daily was to have his ladies sit in a webbed chair with a hole cut in it. He had them shit in his mouth. The ladies give testimony to this in the doc. Very interesting if you have an hour to spare. I think it was on Netflix or YouTube.
Proof that a genius can be as stupid as hell. I thought, as anyone would, that when the girls were talking about a hanging web chair it was the "Tijuana spinning basket job", we used to get when visiting Tijuana, and in Viet Nam. Each to his own I guess.
RL.[/QUOTE]I've been to Tijuana quite often over the past twenty years. What is the spinning basket job? I've never heard of it. Is it like the red rope trick done in Shanghai and other parts of China? I might add Tijuana isn't half bad these days. Selection of girls is pretty decent. But short time there is still really short time.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2245880]For 1000 baht that's a half decent find.[/QUOTE]Half decent? It's one of the best finds in the history of soi 6. That soi is tough to find good girls and when you do, you had better move quickly or someone else will take them. She has an as good or better face than any girl I have ever seen MP post. I'm not much into her stomach or her scrawny body, but she's a good looking girl.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2245814]Nobody that has hung out with him has accused him of not being for real.[/QUOTE]Who would wish to hang out with a such a supercilious.... ? Makes me think out of president Trump. Is he for real too? Yeh , sort of.
[QUOTE=SexIsLove;2245693]FWIW I have been reading about whether MP is for real or just an entertaining storyteller. [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246005]Who would wish to hang out with a such a supercilious.... ? Makes me think out of president Trump. Is he for real too? Yeh , sort of.[/QUOTE]Just like trump he's a real storyteller LOL. But just like Trump not entertaining, unless he makes a fool of himself.
I think what it comes down to is the simple fact that the entire scene is just not that fun anymore. And no, that's not a function of age. When I was in my mid 30's, the dudes in their 50's and 60's were having just as much fun as I was. Now instead of fun; it's a lot of work. And that defeats the purpose IMHO.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2246117]I think what it comes down to is the simple fact that the entire scene is just not that fun anymore. And no, that's not a function of age. When I was in my mid 30's, the dudes in their 50's and 60's were having just as much fun as I was. Now instead of fun; it's a lot of work. And that defeats the purpose IMHO.[/QUOTE]I started out in bars when bargirls were dirt cheap for LT booking (1991), then using Soapies a lot, then moved to Oilies about 10 years back, now hardly do Soapies. Something went wrong. Hardly do Oilies now. The standard of girls looks seemed to decline. Find a girl, she doesn't last. Now I am struggling to have fun in bars any more. Overrun by surgeries, Coyotes and Ladyboys. Many bars overrun by Asians (very few Farangs liking the place any more). If I do have fun it is going to cost a lot. So finally I feel I must gradually moving into semi-retirement from mongering. Lost the appetite to go look for exciting new girls.
I mean I go to Billboard recently and see 3 hot girls. In old days I would have felt very positive and just go for it. Now feel like what are my chances of a great time? More likely I will waste the time and money. So much easier to just go and get known girls.
5 years ago I was disagreeing in that I could still find a good time. Crazy House was just opened (and was good for me). LOL Before that I always had a wild time in Sheba. I had the odd special favourite girl in Sukhumvit shops. Now I don't disagree any more. Levels of pessimism get worse. Can't get a good time girl from Thermae or La Belle. What is wrong with me? LOL I can find a good girl somewhere but the success rates keep declining. Need to take plenty of time to check chemistry levels. Maybe just trying to get girls too pretty that are well out of my league.
Still now I know if need a cheap fuck, can go get Pin (ex Boss) cheaply on Soi 4 after 6 PM, if all my regulars not available. Probably still can be fun. Even got her Line detail this time. Face not quite my spec but saucy, and body pretty curvy. Best of all, she prefers Farangs.
There is little doubt in my mind that the golden era was 20 to 40 years ago, before smartphones, before surgeries everywhere, before the Japanese take over of Bangkok mongering for foreigners, before the prevalence of young girls getting fat on junk food. I guess Farangs were considered awesome back then and some of the young Thai girls were awesome to me too. It hurt so much to lose the best girls back then.
I probably was slow to get disgruntled due to being away a lot, and being less demanding for service. LOL However getting a good GFE has always been a requirement.
There has to be no doubt in my mind that the attitude of hookers has declined. If they are very good looking, they seem to believe they don't have to try that hard to please. The money comes to them too easy, perhaps. There exceptions with a good ethic of course.
Peek time was 87 to 90's then its all downhill since then. If you follow bangkokeyes and stickman you can see what's happening now. Very hard work and expensive for a clinical quick time screw. Better places to go now.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246005]Who would wish to hang out with a such a supercilious.... ? Makes me think out of president Trump. Is he for real too? Yeh , sort of.[/QUOTE]I think he is not like that in person, otherwise people will be pissed too.
For all I can tell, MP is pretty generous with his time and knowledge to BMs, new and old. I remember when I was young, my best friends and I used to tease each other to get on each other's nerves. He is young, I just look at it that way, no harm done.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246130]I Many bars overrun by Asians (very few Farangs liking the place any more). If I do have fun it is going to cost a lot. So finally I feel I must gradually moving into semi-retirement from mongering. Lost the appetite to go look for exciting new girls.
[/QUOTE]Rumor has it that there will be a Korean owned go go bar open on the third floor of Nana plaza, what do you think about it?
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2246073]Just like trump he's a real storyteller LOL. But just like Trump not entertaining, unless he makes a fool of himself.[/QUOTE]And just like Trump, his ego is so fragile and his inferiority complex so deep, it is not enough for him to merely praise himself and his methods as in, "This is how I do it. It works great for me! Give it a try". No, he must also try to convince his cult followers that everyone else is full of shit and their suggested methods should only be dismissed and ignored. That is why the most blatant hogwash in his posts, if not he himself, is so worthy of push back.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2246073]Just like trump he's a real storyteller LOL. But just like Trump not entertaining, unless he makes a fool of himself.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2246183]And just like Trump, his ego is so fragile and his inferiority complex so deep, it is not enough for him to merely praise himself and his methods as in, "This is how I do it. It works great for me! Give it a try". No, he must also try to convince his cult followers that everyone else is full of shit and their suggested methods should only be dismissed and ignored. That is why the most blatant hogwash in his posts, if not he himself, is so worthy of push back.[/QUOTE]And our blind mice are back at it again. Nearly 3000 posts between the two. How many of them deliver true value one would wonder?
Speaking of suggested methods we have one here who believes that holding a medical certificate and peeing and washing with soap after BBFS is a safe way to keep off STDs. LOL. Senior members, hah!
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246186]And our blind mice are back at it again. Nearly 3000 posts between the two. How many of them deliver true value one would wonder?
Speaking of suggested methods we have one here who believes that holding a medical certificate and peeing and washing with soap after BBFS is a safe way to keep off STDs. LOL. Senior members, hah![/QUOTE]"Safer than" are the key words. Seriously, you don't actually read any of the posts you trash talk about, right?
It is safer and a more effective way to ensure you will not catch or transmit an STD than really, really intending to use a condom but forgetting it, having it slip off, having it break, tear or fail, being too drunk to use one at all and so on.
Not reading all of MP's reports, now that he has learned from the seniors here that overpaying for standard fare (lick around the edges, if that, slip on a cover and proceed) is not a particularly impressive achievement unless there is at least something special on offer and, therefore, now his reports are sprinkled with accounts of getting BBBJ+CIM+Swallow and BBFS, has he ever mentioned having a recent "medical certificate" in his possession or anything else before or after engaging in those things?
You're his #1 cult follower, so I am sure you must know.
[QUOTE=Allover;2245943]I've been to Tijuana quite often over the past twenty years. What is the spinning basket job? I've never heard of it. Is it like the red rope trick done in Shanghai and other parts of China? I might add Tijuana isn't half bad these days. Selection of girls is pretty decent. But short time there is still really short time.[/QUOTE]Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.
There are still Farangs well pleased, but some of us notice the decline.
I look at Girls sitting outside Dozo massage. Definitely average standard of look is superior. Some over weight yes and not my taste. However some look reasonably good. Saw customers come and go. Not one farang seen. Mostly Asian. As sex monger customers, have we been replaced? Are the better looking girls also better looking for Asians too? Not in all cases, however it seems that many of the better looking girls are working at MPs or bars dominated by Asian customers now (and I am ignoring those catering mainly for Thai).
Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists. All the odd numbered Sois from Asoke up seem to be Japanese or similar Asian dominated now.
I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't, if I am to find the girls with the attitudes that match old times.
Where are the new hunting grounds the Japanese don't occupy?
What makes Japanese customers so much better? Is it just they spend much more money? Or are they more fun, or sexually less demanding?
Let's see now both my Shark girls have probably no Asian customers, only farangs, another regular is exotic type and has prefers Farangs (never fucks Thais), occasionally Asians maybe. I have a Lao girl that cannot speak English nor Japanese giving me a massive advantage. She has so few she can talk to. Yet at her MP she had a mix of Asian and Farang customers. Pretty face beyond the norm. My last Crazy House girl is tall slim and light skinned and could attract Japanese, I don't know. Maybe a bit too kooky and shy. LOL One Crazy girl I did a little in the past preferred Koreans, so for me her performance was not up to scratch. Makes sense, right?
All those girls that now prefer to do Japanese and Korean and other Asian guys have been cut out of our market. Maybe there is a large overlap between those and the surgeries girls. Why have gogo bar prices risen so fast and Oily MP prices stayed pretty much stagnant for last 10 years? But top soapies catering for a lot of Japanese rises have gone sky high?
Have I made a massive mistake here somewhere, or have we been replaced leaving us the girls that can only get Farangs, because Japanese aren't attracted? Then of course a large portion of the girls I can get, don't look exciting enough.
Sit somewhere Near Nana or Cowboy and compare the girls walking out with Farang and the girls walking out with Japanese customers. Which Look better? The Japan guys are with the best looking girls easily (lets forget the Ladyboys section). Sometimes I even think that girl looks so good, where did he find her? Did he barfine one of the top Coyotes?
Several factors count against us compared to 20 and 30 years ago. This factor was just one of them. Time to move to Yangon to find a place trapped in a former time somewhat?
25 to 27 years approx. ago had an amazing experience with a newbie bargirl, possibly from Pat Pong before Nana Plaza times. She enjoyed the sex so much, that she woke me up several times to have some more. Cost would have been 500 Baht for the night not including BF. Can't remember now if my stamina was great or not. Pre Viagra times. Never had that happen to me again. Never seem to find newbies quite that eager any more. Of course most girls don't want to do LT anyway. In those days, was sometimes hard to get rid of bargirls, they were having such a good time or easy time. They really did not want to leave at all. Hence the term arose "you pay the girl to leave". They would just hang with you for days if you did not make any attempt to have them go "home". Sometimes would be crying on leaving, or needing to know when they will see you next. Sometimes guys were weak and ended up being permanently stuck with those girls.
[QUOTE=Nounce;2246169]Rumor has it that there will be a Korean owned go go bar open on the third floor of Nana plaza, what do you think about it?[/QUOTE]Do I need to think about it? Will it pull the best girls out of Billboard and other bars? Not sure? Perhaps if Koreans are not that keen on surgeries, the best girls for me, might go there.
Obvious trend, if true. So many bars open and fail and close, maybe a Korean bar has more chance. Construction is happening in the back right hand corner right now maybe. It's a free market. I was allowed in RB4, but seriously few Farangs were in there. LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246208]
Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists. All the odd numbered Sois from Asoke up seem to be Japanese or similar Asian dominated now.
I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't, if I am to find the girls with the attitudes that match old times.
Where are the new hunting grounds the Japanese don't occupy?
What makes Japanese customers so much better? Is it just they spend much more money? Or are they more fun, or sexually less demanding?
[/QUOTE]Very interesting question this one. Just been 5 days in Pattaya and the picture is clear; Walking street is taken over by Asian customers. Very few farangs spotted in the top bars. Places like Windmill is the exception. The Farang has moved to LK Metro area. This area is really booming and gives high hopes for a continuation of what is lost in walking street. Walking street go-gos are almost all Koreans and Japanese these days. But in my opinion it is no problem; the go-gos and freelance standard around LK Metro is alive and well. Plenty of sexy girls and a good selection for all. In 5 days I only spotted 5 or 6 Koreans here, the rest is all farang. It is a great area and now much more interesting than WS area. For Bangkok it is a more mixed scene of course. Quite different from Pattaya.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2246206]Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]I have partied with Lew in Pattaya and he is a great guy. You will have a ball with him. If you can find twins he will be very happy! Enjoy your travels.
RJ.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2246206]Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Funny thing, I'm in San Diego now but making almost daily trips to Tijuana. Drop me a PM and I'll buy you a beer at Hong Kong or wherever you prefer.
Time for a picture of a Mexican gal with tour teddy bear.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246208]....Not one farang seen. Mostly Asian. As sex monger customers, have we been replaced? ...Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists.....I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't....Is it just they spend much more money?....Let's see now both my Shark girls have probably no Asian customers, only farangs.....But top soapies catering for a lot of Japanese rises have gone sky high.......or have we been replaced leaving us the girls that gets farangs. ....Several factors count against us compared to 20 and 30 years ago [/QUOTE]Let me first tell you that I am an humble Indian. I represent the huge community of brown skinned guys. Buy I'll request you all learned souls not to take this post as racial or fueled by anything close to envy.
In Thailand, there is a saying that goes as if you see a snake and an Indian, first kill the Indian and then the snake. This is because of how how some Indians have captured the big economic power houses in Thailand. Thai girls prefer to fuck all nationalities other than Indians. Bad luck for me. Neither I am one of those rich guys. But yet subjected to that racism.
I personally have no disrespect to my fellows from the west. Thai girls, so to say any girls in prostitution, has known the colour of money. So far, it's color was white. A guy from the west = money. Things have changed. East also started to have money. Japan to start with. China and India is not far behind. As I said, the Professional girls know the color of money. So they know the color of skin.
One thing about the west is that. They thought of colonizing first. Well before the peaceful east. They got an upper hand. . In money and thus the preference among Thai pros. But somewhere down the line they are going to loose it. Change is the only constant they say. So suit yourselves. And enjoy the time to the fullest till Thai pro girls realise it. Asians are coming. And Asians are going to flood Thailand. Bitter truth.
This is just my personal and humble thought. I don't invite any criticism.
Have a nice time when in Thailand.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2246195]"Safer than" are the key words. Seriously, you don't actually read any of the posts you trash talk about, right?
It is safer and a more effective way to ensure you will not catch or transmit an STD than really, really intending to use a condom but forgetting it, having it slip off, having it break, tear or fail, being too drunk to use one at all and so on. [/QUOTE]Gosh, this joker is so predictable. I received at least 20 PMs wagering a beer that there will be a lame ass defense to this poke. And here it is. Got to pay now for those beers, but it will be worth every single satang spent.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2246195]Not reading all of MP's reports, now that he has learned from the seniors here that overpaying for standard fare (lick around the edges, if that, slip on a cover and proceed) is not a particularly impressive achievement unless there is at least something special on offer and, therefore, now his reports are sprinkled with accounts of getting BBBJ+CIM+Swallow and BBFS, has he ever mentioned having a recent "medical certificate" in his possession or anything else before or after engaging in those things?[/QUOTE]If you believe in pushing back his so called tall claims then you should do a better job of reading the posts. Else your fans here will be disappointed that you are slacking on the job.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2246195]You're his #1 cult follower, so I am sure you must know.[/QUOTE]Are you sad you don't have one? And I would know, but I am sure you would not want to know. And if I told you, you would not believe it. A waste of time all around.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246208]There are still Farangs well pleased, but some of us notice the decline.
I look at Girls sitting outside Dozo massage. Definitely average standard of look is superior. Some over weight yes and not my taste. However some look reasonably good. Saw customers come and go. Not one farang seen. Mostly Asian. As sex monger customers, have we been replaced? Are the better looking girls also better looking for Asians too? Not in all cases, however it seems that many of the better looking girls are working at MPs or bars dominated by Asian customers now (and I am ignoring those catering mainly for Thai).
Are we out numbered by Japanese Guys working here or here as sex tourists. All the odd numbered Sois from Asoke up seem to be Japanese or similar Asian dominated now.
I have stressed before I really now have to find girls that prefer Farang customers, or girls that Farangs choose and Asians don't, if I am to find the girls with the attitudes that match old times.
Where are the new hunting grounds the Japanese don't occupy?
What makes Japanese customers so much better? Is it just they spend much more money? Or are they more fun, or sexually less demanding?
Let's see now both my Shark girls have probably no Asian customers, only farangs, another regular is exotic type and has prefers Farangs (never fucks Thais), occasionally Asians maybe. I have a Lao girl that cannot speak English nor Japanese giving me a massive advantage. She has so few she can talk to. Yet at her MP she had a mix of Asian and Farang customers. Pretty face beyond the norm. My last Crazy House girl is tall slim and light skinned and could attract Japanese, I don't know. Maybe a bit too kooky and shy. LOL One Crazy girl I did a little in the past preferred Koreans, so for me her performance was not up to scratch. Makes sense, right?
All those girls that now prefer to do Japanese and Korean and other Asian guys have been cut out of our market. Maybe there is a large overlap between those and the surgeries girls. Why have gogo bar prices risen so fast and Oily MP prices stayed pretty much stagnant for last 10 years? But top soapies catering for a lot of Japanese rises have gone sky high?
Have I made a massive mistake here somewhere, or have we been replaced leaving us the girls that can only get Farangs, because Japanese aren't attracted? Then of course a large portion of the girls I can get, don't look exciting enough.
Sit somewhere Near Nana or Cowboy and compare the girls walking out with Farang and the girls walking out with Japanese customers. Which Look better? The Japan guys are with the best looking girls easily (lets forget the Ladyboys section). Sometimes I even think that girl looks so good, where did he find her? Did he barfine one of the top Coyotes?
Several factors count against us compared to 20 and 30 years ago. This factor was just one of them. Time to move to Yangon to find a place trapped in a former time somewhat?
25 to 27 years approx. ago had an amazing experience with a newbie bargirl, possibly from Pat Pong before Nana Plaza times. She enjoyed the sex so much, that she woke me up several times to have some more. Cost would have been 500 Baht for the night not including BF. Can't remember now if my stamina was great or not. Pre Viagra times. Never had that happen to me again. Never seem to find newbies quite that eager any more. Of course most girls don't want to do LT anyway. In those days, was sometimes hard to get rid of bargirls, they were having such a good time or easy time. They really did not want to leave at all. Hence the term arose "you pay the girl to leave". They would just hang with you for days if you did not make any attempt to have them go "home". Sometimes would be crying on leaving, or needing to know when they will see you next. Sometimes guys were weak and ended up being permanently stuck with those girls.[/QUOTE]Syzygies, pardon me for the unsolicited response here. I still hold you in high esteem as you make significant meaningful contributions to this board. Like the post yesterday about massage shops was illuminating.
I have replicated your entire post here because every single point here point in one direction only IMHO.
RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. You talk about an experience 25 to 27 years ago. It is simply unrealistic to expect that today. Isn't it? Let us be objective and fair here.
There are reports from plenty of elderly farangs on these threads who are visiting LOS today and are having a great time. Natty Bumpo is a star example. No one will debate here about Natty having a ball here every time he visits. Why is that? Because he has embraced the change and he plays the game the girls like to play. FL Hawk reported yesterday about his Day 1 in Pattaya. In his own words he had a great time at the clubs, but the takeaway did not work as planned (and that can happen to anyone). I could pick another dozen examples. FWIW I have been travelling to LOS since 1999. Have not missed a single year. And I still have a great time when I am on ground.
And in stark contrast we have a few people (I never ever thought you would be one of them, ever!) who continue to be dour and never miss an opportunity to complain about how terrible things have become compared to 20 years ago. Sure, its their life, and they are free to think and do as they please. Except that, such an attitude is not helping them get laid as much as they would like. Because a man who gets sex does not complain.
Sure, there are other factors like being a resident vs being a tourist. That is a huge factor IMHO.
So, my mantra is EMBRACE THE CHANGE. And I do believe results will follow. Peace out.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246348]Syzygies, pardon me for the unsolicited response here. I still hold you in high esteem as you make significant meaningful contributions to this board. Like the post yesterday about massage shops was illuminating.
I have replicated your entire post here because every single point here point in one direction only IMHO.
RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. You talk about an experience 25 to 27 years ago. It is simply unrealistic to expect that today. Isn't it? Let us be objective and fair here.
[/QUOTE]For sure I have pointed out my own resistance to change.
I wanted the girls to have something the attitude they used have.
I wanted to get a relaxed GFE from the girl, or the attitude to have fun, rather than be tense and scared.
I wanted them to look like the same Thais they were 20 years ago, instead of the semi westernised look, with freaky noses. If you don't get the good attitude, a hooker is worthless.
I gave up hookers in home country years ago, because only 1 in 10 chance of a good time. I it gets that poor here, I would have to give up.
I always pretty much accepted the change in the prices, as that is critical. Others were less accepting of that. I always accepted pretty much which services the girls wants to provide, within limits. I don't get very excited by a girl that does not allw kissing, no DATY, no touching her pussy, and gives a crappy BJ as well. Then uses stiff straight legs to avoid penetration. How is one supposed to maintain a raging hard cock for that? LOL I resist accepting that I have to take girls away from the top of the looks pool.
Natty Bumpo and I are largely attracted to very similar girls. I like a large percentage of his girls. However they may not all like me, for one reason or another. Some did. We even had same regular girl in common by coincidence in the past, both at a bar and at an MP. To get as good as he does, is costing more than I might want to pay. E. g. Top Shelf girls at La Belle.
Natty is a bit more flexible about looks, but not a huge difference. I don't see him take any girls that are not very good looking. He has a lot more time available for the hobby research. LOL I don't hear about many failures for Natty, so is he fucking lucky, or girls take to his boisterous personality and perform better?
I noticed recently I could do a semi-starfish type girl okay Since she was at least cooperative rather than obstructive, and body very hot. Maybe some guys would not notice something was wrong. Maybe the girl would be more responsive with a younger more handsome guy.
So yes accept the high prices, fish for girls in cheaper categories, like Oilies and street walkers. Clearly we are all too stubborn to change, and say we don't want a GFE anymore. Also I am not going to change and say I want to try new girls instead of take my reliable regulars. All I can do is choose more carefully girls likely to like me, or showing the right signs of being interested. Be prepared to waste more money on so so girls. Take a mongering break for a few months to come back super hot for it.
We observe all the change, but we can't always like it. We can move on and find happier hunting grounds. Many guys moved to Cambodia years ago, or Laos. Probably was over simplification to assume was purely due to not having enough money.
If I was 20 years younger, I would be finding a higher percentage of the Thai girls are attractive, less fussy about the looks. The saying goes in Thailand that Farangs and Indians will take the girls no one else wants. Yet clearly Japanese have broader taste than me. They are liking a much higher percentage of the girls in Crazy House. They like girls I find very beautiful, they like very beautiful lady boys, they like weird looking high surgeries girls too. They don't take the darker skinned girls so much. Indians often take girls that are too over weight for me. Thai men seem to like girls not too slim, more voluptuous girls that look Chinese rather than Thai. I observed many Thais choosing in Soapies quite differently to myself. Who takes all the thick girls in MPs? It is not going to be me to suddenly start liking them.
I have a good diet, and weight reduced, but I cannot change my own decline. Maybe pay for skin improvement clinic, teeth veneers, dye my hair, get more fitness exercise. When I first came to Thailand I was taking girls 10 to 15 years younger. Do I still do that and take girls 45 to 50 YOs? No. They are generally not in good enough condition. GF reaches 39. Her body has finally started to decline from weight gain. She appears to be contented and letting it go now. Previously was very a hot body. Can I accept the change totally?
Embrace the Change:
I'm 64, fat and silly. To me short time is 3. 5 minutes and I don't want anyone, not even my 24 year old US girlfriend in my bed all night (although she really leaves me know choice and I will be stuck with that in the summers). I find only a certain type of girl attractive and I have found as many as I want. I have over 100 Line girls now, of which 20 I can call and schtupp. I have forgotten more about GoGos and strip clubs that some folks will ever know and have only been to 2 or three here this trip, once or twice a month. I go to Thermae for the freak show, I know I can pull anyone I want out of there as long as I am willing to pay for my 3. 5 minutes of fun. If I go to an MP, its for a massage. If I want a Fishbowl, Ill go upcountry and get one fresh in KK or Khorat. The only thing I really want right now is a real Russian, but I will take any Euro girl and may have to go to Khao San and use my charm.
My interests in Thailand have broadened over the past several years and it has more to offer me than just poontang. You young guys can fight with the Asians and Indians and worry about it, me, I'm content.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2246206]Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]How's your Spanish? Certainly makes a difference when playing in Tijuana.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246348]Syzygies, pardon me for the unsolicited response here. I still hold you in high esteem as you make significant meaningful contributions to this board. Like the post yesterday about massage shops was illuminating.
I have replicated your entire post here because every single point here point in one direction only IMHO.
RESISTANCE TO CHANGE. You talk about an experience 25 to 27 years ago. It is simply unrealistic to expect that today. Isn't it? Let us be objective and fair here.
There are reports from plenty of elderly farangs on these threads who are visiting LOS today and are having a great time. Natty Bumpo is a star example. No one will debate here about Natty having a ball here every time he visits. Why is that? Because he has embraced the change and he plays the game the girls like to play. FL Hawk reported yesterday about his Day 1 in Pattaya. In his own words he had a great time at the clubs, but the takeaway did not work as planned (and that can happen to anyone). I could pick another dozen examples. FWIW I have been travelling to LOS since 1999. Have not missed a single year. And I still have a great time when I am on ground.
And in stark contrast we have a few people (I never ever thought you would be one of them, ever!) who continue to be dour and never miss an opportunity to complain about how terrible things have become compared to 20 years ago. Sure, its their life, and they are free to think and do as they please. Except that, such an attitude is not helping them get laid as much as they would like. Because a man who gets sex does not complain.
Sure, there are other factors like being a resident vs being a tourist. That is a huge factor IMHO.
So, my mantra is EMBRACE THE CHANGE. And I do believe results will follow. Peace out.[/QUOTE]You are correct; a visitor and a resident are different, no matter how many times the visitor has come. It is a completely different agenda, set of standards, and set of expectations. Natty comes here from the sex starved US and goes wild for a couple of weeks. I would imagine that I would have an attitude more like his if I was a visitor. But I'm not; I live here. And when I moved here there were many aspects of the scene that were directed at farang expats because there were a lot of us here. At least half of the dudes I would meet in Cowboy especially were expats working of retired here. Yes, there are some foreign expats here now, but far fewer than there were 20 years ago and the new younger expat farang is far less likely to monger. So in turn the market does not cater to them. It caters to tourists pretty much exclusively. Back in the "day" if a bar did not take care of residents it would struggle during low season, which was really low in BKK. That is not the case anymore. FFS, there are farang couples who walk down Cowboy to have a drink and gawk.That would have been unthinkable. Seeing a Western woman in Cowboy in the late 90s was about as likely as seeing an iceberg in the Gulf of Thailand.
And for that matter, not all change is good. Personally as a long term resident I agree with Syz, there have been no positive changes in the Thailand P4 P scene in the last 10 years. So some questions: are there more gals about? are they giving better service? do they have better attitudes? what's their price? is it the same or less work to get them? I'll answer, the gals are bigger, less attractive, there are fewer of them, it's far more expensive, it is more work to find a good one, and overall the service level is a bit less.
Add in an extremely friendly cost of living in Thailand and you had one amazing place to live. All of this combined is why many of us moved here. Did we expect it not to change? Of course not. We were not daft. All of us knew it would change. However, we come from Western nations where the pace of change is far slower than that of a developing nation, and so did not expect such radical shifts in the things we so loved about the place in such a short period of time. Bangkok has changed more in the last 10 years than my home state in the US has in 30.
In addition, the longer one lives here, the more one's eyes change. My friend's wife once said, "when farangs first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work. " Then one day you are out and about and that Isaan look just doesn't do it for you any more. And the surgery to change that look is just as bad. You find yourself attracted to white skinned BKK gals you see in malls and in offices, and Chinese tourist gals with short shorts and slutty attitudes, then when you go have a look at the oilies, the GoGos, or the FLs you see these gals who are way too dark and many way to fat. Then you see 141 gals in HK for 1600 Baht who just blow the doors off the Thais and think WTF?
I could have sex every day here if I wanted, and if the scene was 50% of what is was 10 years ago, I probably would be an almost every day type of guy, even though I am in my 50s.
A common theme I see about people that complain is bar / gogo, as if that is the only way to get a chick. I have a friend in his 60's that has lived in Pattaya 5 years. He fucks a different chick everyday and sometimes twice a day. Can't even get him to check out Philippines. He says but I haven't even fucked everybody here yet. He doesn't really go to bars but just meets chicks out and about everyday. He will give them 1000 or 1500 for ST.
No need to go into a gogo spending all kinds of money. Like in FL Hawk's report the other day. He went to a gogo and spent all kind on drinks and ended up taking a chick for ST 4000 baht including BF. When she went to put on her clothes she looked like a regular chick. Hell, to me they all look like regular chicks. I see no reason to wait until they put on a skimpy outfit and are around some flashy lights, to spend 3 or 4 times more to fuck them. To people that realize the gogo is not the only place to find a chick, not that much has changed. Even a guy posted in the Angeles thread the other day about what a great time he had. But while others were complaining about the bar scene, he found all his chicks online and had no complaints. Fuck those bars and gogos. The object is to get pussy, not pussy that only comes from a bar or gogo.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2246206]Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]Interesting coincidence running into Lew and the girl named Tokyo at Hong Kong. Bet you could never get the girl to understand the irony of it. When in Tijuana, I split time between between HK and Adelitas with an occasional street girl thrown in. Goatscrot, Spanish is not necessary in Tijuana if you are doing short times. With the decline of Thailand in terms of girl quality and cost, Tijuana is a decent option for a short visit. Especially if, like me, you only live a few hours away. I may go to Tijuana for the day this Saturday.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2246389]
I could have sex every day here if I wanted, and if the scene was 50% of what is was 10 years ago, I probably would be an almost every day type of guy, even though I am in my 50s.[/QUOTE]You are living in a city with 10 million people, or maybe even more these days. So there are millions of nice young women out there. Even if only 1% of them is available for P4 P (or free sex with no strings attached) you should be having a ball. But it's not 'point and shoot' anymore like it was before in the bars and in the streets. Unless you're willing to pay crazy prices.
I've said it before: you have to go on line if you want to find affordable girls these days. I know you don't like it and it takes more effort but that's the reality.
Look at EihTooms for example. He's also living in BKK and even older than you but he's still having a ball.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246475]A common theme I see about people that complain is bar / gogo, as if that is the only way to get a chick. I have a friend in his 60's that has lived in Pattaya 5 years. He fucks a different chick everyday and sometimes twice a day. Can't even get him to check out Philippines. He says but I haven't even fucked everybody here yet. He doesn't really go to bars but just meets chicks out and about everyday. He will give them 1000 or 1500 for ST.
No need to go into a gogo spending all kinds of money. Like in FL Hawk's report the other day. He went to a gogo and spent all kind on drinks and ended up taking a chick for ST 4000 baht including BF. When she went to put on her clothes she looked like a regular chick. Hell, to me they all look like regular chicks. I see no reason to wait until they put on a skimpy outfit and are around some flashy lights, to spend 3 or 4 times more to fuck them. To people that realize the gogo is not the only place to find a chick, not that much has changed. Even a guy posted in the Angeles thread the other day about what a great time he had. But while others were complaining about the bar scene, he found all his chicks online and had no complaints. Fuck those bars and gogos. The object is to get pussy, not pussy that only comes from a bar or gogo.[/QUOTE]Hi Mr E.
You make perfect sense for a resident and anyone who lives in Pattaya and goes to gogos for sex is mad. As a twice a year visitor I try to mix it up with a combination of online pros, semi pros, bar girls and gogo girls. Where I live there is nothing like the gogo bars and the idea of having a beer watching girls half my age dancing naked in front of me while one or two of their friends are massaging my member and being absolutely dirty little sluts appeals immensely to me.
For my next visit I'm hoping for a mix of the above plus a couple of amateurs that I have recently met on some dating sites.
Each to their own but I do agree that every night in a gogo is a waste of money.
Rob.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2246475]
No need to go into a gogo spending all kinds of money. Like in FL Hawk's report the other day. He went to a gogo and spent all kind on drinks and ended up taking a chick for ST 4000 baht including BF. When she went to put on her clothes she looked like a regular chick. Hell, to me they all look like regular chicks.[/QUOTE]When the regular girls take their clothes off, you get a nasty shock, or you got lucky. Good luck to FL Hawk if managed to get a nice stunning body girl. I can't criticise a guy who spends medium to big and gets a really fabulous girl. We were not there to see the girl or her performance. We can't judge his deal really.
If they look like regular chicks they don't pass. The only way to reliably see that a girl's body is really great is to see her naked or as close to that as possible. With cheap chicks out on the street, you are more than likely to get a crap body to disaster body. Been burnt too many times. Even with fancy girls sitting down in a soapy fishbowl, can't see the body properly.
Maybe its different in Pattaya and you can see girls on the street so poured into a form fitting outfit that nothing is left to the imagination. In Bangkok I continually see lots of over dressed hookers, to my thinking.
Yes I agree that sitting regularly in a bar is too expensive. However it is not pointless in all cases. Cart bars were a good option but only when they happened to have a really superior girl or too. You could sit, have a drink, feel up the girl and maybe get some clues about her body, maybe fooled.
MPs are full of girls with bad bodies too, even in Addict with fancy uniforms covering them. Those who just want any old piece of meat. Go for on the cheap on the street.
I took only 2 or 3 new gogo bar girls for year. In each case, the fact that their body was vastly superior to others in the bar or in the top 2 or 3 at Billboard, was an important factor. Yes can get a cheap fuck just across the road. I know the girl standing on the street there fucks O.K. Do I want the cheap one? Nah. Seems not. I wanted the stunning body instead. Have a thing for really stunning asses too.
Just try to let it sink in. Some guys want the cheapest. Some are looking for certain qualities and lowest price is not it. I know a Thai girl or two who would like to fuck me regularly for free. I don't take them either. Just were not the quality I had in mind. Some of us want better than what we deserve.
For guys willing to do a super gogo girl regularly (that is me), we collect their details, and can meet them privately failing to incur some bar overheads. Yeh the bar gets boring as hell! Are all girls the same quality for looks. Not even slightly close. Can we expect them all to cost the same.? Unfortunately not.
I want a nice compromise between pretty, great body, good GFE attitude, knows how to make enjoyable fun, and price counts but is not number 1 criteria. Skills comes last for me, but I understand that is number one for some guys, or number two after price.
I have repeated 4 different bar girls this year, 2 MP girls (one of these gone), zero Soapy girls, zero Thermae girls, and zero street walkers, and one long term favourite. The girls wearing the most clothes got repeated the least, like not at all. It just does not work out for all of us. Bars remains a possible place to get girls well worth repeating (with superior bodies). Sitting with the girl for a while can help determine if their is any chance it is going to work. Taking a lot of time to make a decision helps with success rate for difficult guys like me. My GF had such a great body before this year, was very hard to be excited by something of common much less quality.
For those who hate bars, good luck to them, and let me know how to find the most stunning bodies possible.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2246487]Look at EihTooms for example. He's also living in BKK and even older than you but he's still having a ball.[/QUOTE]Any takers? LOL.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246586]When the regular girls take their clothes off, you get a nasty shock, or you got lucky. Good luck to FL Hawk if managed to get a nice stunning body girl. I can't criticise a guy who spends medium to big and gets a really fabulous girl. We were not there to see the girl or her performance. We can't judge his deal really.[/QUOTE]I was neither price policing, criticizing, nor making a judgment. I was simply making a comparison. I hung out with FL a couple of years ago. He is a great guy. But I still would not let him pay for anything, and will not the next time we meet up either, despite knowing how he will object.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246342]
If you believe in pushing back his so called tall claims then you should do a better job of reading the posts. Else your fans here will be disappointed that you are slacking on the job. [/QUOTE]I don't read all of his posts because I am among those he has put on Ignore because I questiioned some if his misleading hogwash. And on this board, putting someone on Ignore apparently not only prevents you from seeing their posts but also prevents them from seeing yours. Weird. But I do see what has been quoted by others.
How could you have been diligently reading my posts in order to find anything and exerything you need to spring into action over to further protect and defend MonkeyPaw's fragile ego and carefully constructed fantasy world and not know that?
BTW, like you, I have never put anyone on Ignore. I never know where a good idea might come from, it is easy enough to skip over stuff and selectively ignore what is of no interest to me and, unlike some, I don't post anything I am terrified would be read and questioned by anyone else.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2246792]I don't read all of his posts because I am among those he has put on Ignore because I questiioned some if his misleading hogwash. And on this board, putting someone on Ignore apparently not only prevents you from seeing their posts but also prevents them from seeing yours. Weird. But I do see what has been quoted by others.
How could you have been diligently reading my posts in order to find anything and exerything you need to spring into action over to further protect and defend MonkeyPaw's fragile ego and carefully constructed fantasy world and not know that?.[/QUOTE]Good point. But if you were so committed to pushing back the hogwash, you would surely know that you can read all posts without logging in with your screen name. Don't have to be Satoshi Nakamoto to figure that out.
Request: Consider breaking up sentences. Long sentences, with poor grammatical construct and no punctuation, are hard to read.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2246487]
I've said it before: you have to go on line if you want to find affordable girls these days. I know you don't like it and it takes more effort but that's the reality.
Look at EihTooms for example. He's also living in BKK and even older than you but he's still having a ball.[/QUOTE]That really is the key for me getting plenty of sweet young pussy, girls that deliver True GFE these days. We can talk about that kind of service, how it was more commonplace in the past and so on in hopes that the younger crew of punters will be inspired to find the balls to expect and demand it so it might become more commonplace today. But that is clearly a lost cause.
However, my embrace of the current online solutions might not satisfy more demanding standards of wild sex, perfect looks or both. I don't screen for that online so I don't know how successful such a hunt would be. I have observed the same higher percentage of fuglies and experienced the same higher percentage of crap service others have noted in the current bar and MP scene. Even so, I still partake of the bar and street girl option often enough.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246799]Good point. But if you were so committed to pushing back the hogwash, you would surely know that you can read all posts without logging in with your screen name. Don't have to be Satoshi Nakamoto to figure that out.
Request: Consider breaking up sentences. Long sentences, with poor grammatical construct and no punctuation, are hard to read.[/QUOTE]Go to that much effort just to read all of MP's posts? Why? I'm fairly certain I could rack up 100,000 baht bar tabs, pay 5000+ baht girl fees and so on and still get relatively mediocre service without his directing me precisely when, where and with whom to do it.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246374] Can I accept the change totally?[/QUOTE]Good observations Syzygies. And I can empathize truly here. But the reality is whether you accept it or not, change will continue to happen. You may not accept or understand it, but you have to embrace and adapt to it. That is the only way forward.
I am a huge fan of rock and metal. The 60's and 70's represented everything for me. I enjoy hearing the songs being played in some bars and clubs occasionally. But I cannot expect that every bar will play these songs. So I try to develop an ear for Hip Hop, House and are&be. Hell, I even try listening to Rap. Because that is what will help me get along with the crowd and eventually have a good time.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2246381]My interests in Thailand have broadened over the past several years and it has more to offer me than just poontang. You young guys can fight with the Asians and Indians and worry about it, me, I'm content.[/QUOTE]This is another way to look at things. No judgement. More power to you sir.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2246389]And for that matter, not all change is good. Personally as a long term resident I agree with Syz, there have been no positive changes in the Thailand P4 P scene in the last 10 years. So some questions: are there more gals about? are they giving better service? do they have better attitudes? what's their price? is it the same or less work to get them? I'll answer, the gals are bigger, less attractive, there are fewer of them, it's far more expensive, it is more work to find a good one, and overall the service level is a bit less.
Add in an extremely friendly cost of living in Thailand and you had one amazing place to live. All of this combined is why many of us moved here. Did we expect it not to change? Of course not. We were not daft. All of us knew it would change. However, we come from Western nations where the pace of change is far slower than that of a developing nation, and so did not expect such radical shifts in the things we so loved about the place in such a short period of time. Bangkok has changed more in the last 10 years than my home state in the US has in 30.
In addition, the longer one lives here, the more one's eyes change. My friend's wife once said, "when farangs first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work. " Then one day you are out and about and that Isaan look just doesn't do it for you any more. And the surgery to change that look is just as bad. You find yourself attracted to white skinned BKK gals you see in malls and in offices, and Chinese tourist gals with short shorts and slutty attitudes, then when you go have a look at the oilies, the GoGos, or the FLs you see these gals who are way too dark and many way to fat. Then you see 141 gals in HK for 1600 Baht who just blow the doors off the Thais and think WTF?[/QUOTE]Some very good explanations here. I always thought I would retire in Thailand some day. Reading all this makes me think if I should.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2246389]In addition, the longer one lives here, the more one's eyes change. My friend's wife once said, "when farangs first come to Thailand, their eyes don't work. " Then one day you are out and about and that Isaan look just doesn't do it for you any more. And the surgery to change that look is just as bad. You find yourself attracted to white skinned BKK gals you see in malls and in offices, and Chinese tourist gals with short shorts and slutty attitudes, then when you go have a look at the oilies, the GoGos, or the FLs you see these gals who are way too dark and many way to fat. Then you see 141 gals in HK for 1600 Baht who just blow the doors off the Thais and think WTF?
[/QUOTE]This is an interesting point. I long maintained that our eyes and perception changed. I don't see girls the same way you do at all, e. G. HK girls are not that pretty for me, generally, and chinese tourist girls draw my eyes at all. So okay Chinese is not my favourite (unless Shu Qi standard LOL. Michelle Yeoh and Lucy Liu quite ugly to me). However there is no doubt that my taste changed a lot. It is easy to look back at my photos from 15 to 25 years ago, and ask myself, "Did I really choose that girl and think she was superior looking at the time?" Not many guys seemed to want to admit that they became much more fussy than before and the girl looks. Girls that were stunning to me 25 years ago, are now still above average, but not stunning, girls that were above average 25 years ago, are not just ordinary (and I would not select them any more). Big jaw or broad nose, and would not give them a second look.
Others are able to like the highly modified surgeries look, but to me it is like seeing the Bajorans in a Star Trek movie. Of the aliens, Seven of 9 was the hot looking one with really stunning face too, despite face schrapnel, because they did not mess with her basic facial features.
My report from year 2048.
I remember the good old days back in 2018 when gogo girls only used to cost 5000 baht for the night. Now a night with a top Thai girl is over 50,000 baht. Ridiculous that a bar thinks they can charge 2,500 baht for a lady drink. Not only that the exchange rate of my home country dollar is now only 50% of what it was back in the good old days of 2018.
Back in the good old days of 2018 it was easy to find a 2 titted girl. Now they all have 3 tits. I hate post surgery girls! At least back in 2018 I could tell the difference between a girl and a ladyboy. Now technology is so advanced I can't tell the difference any longer even after living here for over 30 years! Also sad that so many beautiful girls are getting a workable penis attached too. I'm not sure if I will be going with any more real girls as I simply can't afford them any longer. I may need to get a Beach Road girl for 10,000 baht now instead. Better yet, I may switch to those virtual reality girls. They all provide BBBJ + CIM and all are beautiful since I created them. I also don't have to feed them at 7-11 before and after my session. On the bright side my Palace girlfriend from 2018 is now 49 but still looks super cute. Still the natural Thai look.
Was great when I was still in my 40's and the girls said I looked 30 tops. Now they tell me I look 55 so I feel old. Sure wish Bangkok was still around. Very sad since it sank into the ocean. Very cool that there are now over 30 casinos in Pattaya. Love playing Chonburi Hold'em but I swear I'm being scammed by The House. Really wish the good old days of 2018 were back. That would be wonderful!
Sorry for the quick review. Bring back 2018 please! I miss it so much!
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246842]My report from year 2048.
I remember the good old days back in 2018 when gogo girls only used to cost 5000 baht for the night. Now a night with a top Thai girl is over 50,000 baht. Ridiculous that a bar thinks they can charge 2,500 baht for a lady drink. Not only that the exchange rate of my home country dollar is now only 50% of what it was back in the good old days of 2018.
Back in the good old days of 2018 it was easy to find a 2 titted girl. Now they all have 3 tits. I hate post surgery girls! At least back in 2018 I could tell the difference between a girl and a ladyboy. Now technology is so advanced I can't tell the difference any longer even after living here for over 30 years! Also sad that so many beautiful girls are getting a workable penis attached too. I'm not sure if I will be going with any more real girls as I simply can't afford them any longer. I may need to get a Beach Road girl for 10,000 baht now instead. Better yet, I may switch to those virtual reality girls. They all provide BBBJ + CIM and all are beautiful since I created them. I also don't have to feed them at 7-11 before and after my session. On the bright side my Palace girlfriend from 2018 is now 49 but still looks super cute. Still the natural Thai look.
[/QUOTE]LOL You forget to mention that Syzygies was fortunate and died in 2033 of Dementia, before girls got dicks attached, so he never had to cop a dick up the ass, from his aggressive Mrs. , may his poor tortured soul rest is peace. His hot GF had been very fat by 2030, and died of cancer like so many villagers, but Syzy hardly knew who she was any more, and had not left the village for over 10 years.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246799]
Request: Consider breaking up sentences. Long sentences, with poor grammatical construct and no punctuation, are hard to read.[/QUOTE]ET is one of the experts on sentence convolution, with multiple negatives leading to extra challenges. I like a huge numbers of short almost sentences. LOL Like making Notes.
I spelled Challenges wrong, yet surprisingly the Auto corrector did not fix it. It only changes things wrongly, I think, or maybe only alters words as you type. I had to fix it myself. Annoying.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246842]My report from year 2048.
I remember the good old days back in 2018 when gogo girls only used to cost 5000 baht for the night. Now a night with a top Thai girl is over 50,000 baht. Ridiculous that a bar thinks they can charge 2,500 baht for a lady drink. Not only that the exchange rate of my home country dollar is now only 50% of what it was back in the good old days of 2018.
Back in the good old days of 2018 it was easy to find a 2 titted girl. Now they all have 3 tits. I hate post surgery girls! At least back in 2018 I could tell the difference between a girl and a ladyboy. Now technology is so advanced I can't tell the difference any longer even after living here for over 30 years! Also sad that so many beautiful girls are getting a workable penis attached too. I'm not sure if I will be going with any more real girls as I simply can't afford them any longer. I may need to get a Beach Road girl for 10,000 baht now instead. Better yet, I may switch to those virtual reality girls. They all provide BBBJ + CIM and all are beautiful since I created them. I also don't have to feed them at 7-11 before and after my session. On the bright side my Palace girlfriend from 2018 is now 49 but still looks super cute. Still the natural Thai look.
Was great when I was still in my 40's and the girls said I looked 30 tops. Now they tell me I look 55 so I feel old. Sure wish Bangkok was still around. Very sad since it sank into the ocean. Very cool that there are now over 30 casinos in Pattaya. Love playing Chonburi Hold'em but I swear I'm being scammed by The House. Really wish the good old days of 2018 were back. That would be wonderful!
Sorry for the quick review. Bring back 2018 please! I miss it so much![/QUOTE]You are correct. It will continue to get worse.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2246809]Some very good explanations here. I always thought I would retire in Thailand some day. Reading all this makes me think if I should.[/QUOTE]To be honest with you; if Thailand was like it is now, and I am not just talking about the P4 P scene as there are many more important things when choosing a place to live, back in '99, I would have never moved here.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2246381] I go to Thermae for the freak show, I know I can pull anyone I want out of there as long as I am willing to pay for my 3. 5 minutes of fun. [/QUOTE]Its not quite clear if you consider Thermae visits successful.
Girls have sloppy bodies, or big implants, some don't like Farangs, some are awaiting their Japanese regulars, they are scared to be penetrated and stiffen up, they don't like kissing or they don't like DATY, they are not capable of an expert BJ, and whoops I was expecting at least an hour session. I never asked for a CIM or anal or anything too weird.
I have not had a lucky selection in the Thermae for a many years. I have met girls that chatted very nicely and seemed very keen, but on the bed became dick scared. That is the draw back of picking a very inexperienced girl (she came from Vientiane Laos).
Yes I have had the odd girl from Thermae that was a reasonable fuck. Still I did not like her body once the clothes came off, whether damage or hard tits. If I am going to get very soso service, the body had better be spectacular. There may be girls with spectacular bodies too. I just was not able to get to one or simply could not be sure when over dressed. I am sure I get too distracted looking for a really pretty face (well with the makeup on at least).
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2246933]To be honest with you; if Thailand was like it is now, and I am not just talking about the P4 P scene as there are many more important things when choosing a place to live, back in '99, I would have never moved here.[/QUOTE]You would not have moved here considering the choices available back in '99 but given the paucity of alternatives right now you might still move here right now if "now" was when you had to move. Am I wrong?
That's the quandry we find ourselves in.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246842]My report from year 2048.
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Sorry for the quick review. Bring back 2018 please! I miss it so much![/QUOTE]This one belongs in the ROD for sure. Had me rolling in laughter. Outstanding!!
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2246934]Its not quite clear if you consider Thermae visits successful.
Girls have sloppy bodies, or big implants, some don't like Farangs, some are awaiting their Japanese regulars, they are scared to be penetrated and stiffen up, they don't like kissing or they don't like DATY, they are not capable of an expert BJ, and whoops I was expecting at least an hour session. I never asked for a CIM or anal or anything too weird.
I have not had a lucky selection in the Thermae for a many years. I have met girls that chatted very nicely and seemed very keen, but on the bed became dick scared. That is the draw back of picking a very inexperienced girl (she came from Vientiane Laos)..[/QUOTE]Everyone is different my friend and has different needs and expectations. When I first started coming here, I was all into the GFE and the stunners, and the PSE and making her cum and DATY and Naughtynigelism and anal and whatnot. And I always managed to find what I want.
Now its different. Sex to me right now is just a need like taking a dump, I don't want a Thai GF, I could care less if she comes, I want to unzip, unload and say bye bye and then go off to do my thing without chick baggage. I have enough Line and Tinder messages every day. To me, there is way to much effort in finding the "right" girl. I just want her to look the way I want her to. If I find one in Thermae that looks the way I want, then Ill take her for my quickie. If her performance is not up to GFE par, o well, o sea squirt squirted, time to go find something cool.
Last night I decided I wanted to do a bit of hunting just to get out of the house late, as I am usually home by 11-12. I started off in Spasso. The girls there were gorgeous and fabulous. I know 5-10 K could have gotten one. But what's the point, my GF back home looks better and I'm not here for made up supermodels with roboboobs. If I was, I would have stayed home with mine, watch her put makeup on for three hours, drive her around in her Mercedes, watch her drink herself silly then have fabulous GFE sex and then the next day cater to a rich spoiled 24 year old model with Daddy issues. I just had an itch to go out. Fun to look at though, just like when my GF makes me take her to a club and all the models are dressed up competing with each other.
Then I went to Mixx. Honestly, what a bunch of dogs the CIS girls were. There were some chicks there who could play linebacker for the Cowboys. There was a blond there with tatas bigger than my head. The Viet girls were all enhanced with asses like Kim Kardashian, some of them had cheekbones you could open a can with. Who wants a square faced fat ass Asian or a Conan Russian chick? Not me. There were a couple of slinky Thai girls (what I like, skinny and slinky), but even in my drunken stupor I could see the flaws such as baby damage, pooches (the tighter the clothes the more obvious the pooch) and improperly stuffed bras. In the whole place I would have maybe, maybe, done one CIS girl in a skin tight white pantsuit who attracted my eye, but at 2 am, with a whole bunch of booze under the belt, I just bagged it and went to the local brothel near there and wham bammed the skinniest one. Great. Out till 3:30 am or so, came home feeling like death and now been hungover all day with the Hershey sqeeds, screwed up my Saturday, totally unproductive, wallet lighter from Spasso and Mixx booze and saying I should have just gone to the GoGo and bar fined the cutie that I like. But that would have been boring I reckon.
But no regrets. I guess my point is everyone has a different worldview on being here. Me, its a beautiful country with beautiful people and fabulous food and I can go out anytime I want and bag a girl that suits my eye and spend far less than I do in the states. Last night I dropped about $100 and drank myself silly too (you know what drinks cost in Spasso). If I had found the right one there would have cost me $100 more. Its all about expectations. I know how it feels to be a tourist here and know how it feels to live here too. Each has its moments. Enjoy life, its short.
[QUOTE=XXL;2246937]You would not have moved here considering the choices available back in '99 but given the paucity of alternatives right now you might still move here right now if "now" was when you had to move. Am I wrong?
That's the quandry we find ourselves in.[/QUOTE]Most of us understood your post re its sentence structure and grammar just fine. In fact, I quite liked the way you set up and posed your question. However, bear in mind 2-3 folks here just suffered brain freeze for its relative lack of simple three word sentences (only 1), a potentially disturbing number of negatives in there and with too many words comprised of more than two syllables.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2247031]Everyone is different my friend and has different needs and expectations. When I first started coming here, I was all into the GFE and the stunners, and the PSE and making her cum and DATY and Naughtynigelism and anal and whatnot. And I always managed to find what I want.
Now its different. Sex to me right now is just a need like taking a dump, ......
But no regrets. I guess my point is everyone has a different worldview on being here. Me, its a beautiful country with beautiful people and fabulous food and I can go out anytime I want and bag a girl that suits my eye and spend far less than I do in the states. Last night I dropped about $100 and drank myself silly too (you know what drinks cost in Spasso). If I had found the right one there would have cost me $100 more. Its all about expectations. I know how it feels to be a tourist here and know how it feels to live here too. [/QUOTE]You seem to show attitudes, at times similar to me, at times opposite. Maybe I am failing to work out which phrases are Sarcastic. It is not clear you have really convinced yourself "its a beautiful country with beautiful people". Maybe this phrase does not apply to the entertainment venues you describe. Anyway, post was a bit puzzling to me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2247063]Most of us understood your post re its sentence structure and grammar just fine. In fact, I quite liked the way you set up and posed your question. However, bear in mind 2-3 folks here just suffered brain freeze for its relative lack of simple three word sentences (only 1), a potentially disturbing number of negatives in there and with too many words comprised of more than two syllables.[/QUOTE]Ha ha. Yes it includes complex grammar. However it was intelliglible, with no double negatives, and the sentence terminates in a reasonable length. No complaints from me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2247340]You seem to show attitudes, at times similar to me, at times opposite. Maybe I am failing to work out which phrases are Sarcastic. It is not clear you have really convinced yourself "its a beautiful country with beautiful people". Maybe this phrase does not apply to the entertainment venues you describe. Anyway, post was a bit puzzling to me.[/QUOTE]Maybe it is a cultural difference Syz. It was an excellent read and crystal clear to me. I too have become a bit jaded, but not quite to that extent. And still it is a beautiful country with beautiful people, etc.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2247340]You seem to show attitudes, at times similar to me, at times opposite. Maybe I am failing to work out which phrases are Sarcastic. It is not clear you have really convinced yourself "its a beautiful country with beautiful people". Maybe this phrase does not apply to the entertainment venues you describe. Anyway, post was a bit puzzling to me.[/QUOTE]Naw dude, no sarcasm intended. Your reports are excellent, I love Thailand for the people, the food, the culture, the sights, the sounds, everything. I fell in love with this place years ago, and not just for the poon. Because I mainly stay out of the tourist areas, its very laid back and beautiful to me, not that the tourist areas aren't, it's hard to explain. Like, I have more fun in Maha Chai or Koh Kret or Bang Kachao or Nonthanburi or Nakhom Pathom just walking around looking at sometimes nothing, than I do in Sukhumvit looking at naked girls. Sometimes I ride up and down the Riverboats or the canal boats and just look at stuff. I'm getting ready to start hitting the central cities and up to Isaan, I have plenty of time since I won't go back to the states till Aprilish when the weather starts turning bad here. My hobby is photography and I am making my portfolio hum! I even know the different Buddha styles LOL.
My point that may or may not differ from others is that I want, whenever I want, my quickly to look like I want her to look. That's it. Not interested in girlfriend, or taking them out, or having fun, just hey baby, take the sausage and off I go. To me, some sex is better than others, but none of it is bad. I don't worry about whether this girl costs me 1000 or 2000 or 1500, hell, if I saw the right one in Spasso I would do her for 5 K, as long as she meets my particular look. But its not number 1 on my list. I'm 64, I have forgotten more about pussy than some guys will ever know if they live to be 120.
Life is short, and there is more to Thailand than snatch I guess is what my bottom line is.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2247344]Ha ha. Yes it includes complex grammar. However it was intelliglible, with no double negatives, and the sentence terminates in a reasonable length. No complaints from me.[/QUOTE]His post contained a sentence 36 words long. The post of mine you chimed in to comment on contained a sentence 40 words long.
I'll try lo lop off enough words to keep them at 36 or less from now on. Or is 39 the limit and he just didn't quite get there? If I have one sentence containing only one word do I get credit to go up to 37 on another one? Confer with Blanquiceleste and let me know what you two have ruled on that issue, ok?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2247395]His post contained a sentence 36 words long. The post of mine you chimed in to comment on contained a sentence 40 words long.
[/QUOTE]I don't know which post you are referring to right now, presumably one I commented on from some time ago, but I have found more than one of your posts a little challenging to see precisely what a complex sentence meant, on occasion. I doubt that is being totally unfair. Maybe if I get time, I can look back for the most challenging of them. It's not just the number of words that matters! I know very well, my own written English is not great at times, however I do not try to make anything difficult to follow on purpose.
[QUOTE=XXL;2246937]You would not have moved here considering the choices available back in '99 but given the paucity of alternatives right now you might still move here right now if "now" was when you had to move. Am I wrong?
That's the quandry we find ourselves in.[/QUOTE]Well no. I would not have moved here in 99 if in 99 Thailand was as it is now. LOL. And many factors in play, not just P4P. I should have in retrospect looked for a place that in addition to being fun and not so expensive, offered an easier and clearer path to citizenship. The last thing you want when you are settled and well into your 60s is for the nation you have chosen to move the bar for visas. That is always a possibility here.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2247446]Well no. I would not have moved here in 99 if in 99 Thailand was as it is now. LOL. And many factors in play, not just P4P. I should have in retrospect looked for a place that in addition to being fun and not so expensive, offered an easier and clearer path to citizenship. The last thing you want when you are settled and well into your 60s is for the nation you have chosen to move the bar for visas. That is always a possibility here.[/QUOTE]I know you like the food and many other things in BKK but the woman situation is driving you crazy. Have you considered moving or do you have too many ties to BKK I. E. job, girlfriend, etc? I know some expats have moved on to The Phillippines, Cambodia, and Vietnam due to the changing environment in Thailand. I've thought of moving to BKK or even Pattaya but I am retired and want better healthcare than Thailand offers. Also meeting new friends is much harder now that I am older. From what I read expats often meet and befriend other board members that are regular visitors. I'm not knocking that but I've mongered with a wingman (doesn't monger any more) or solo. In fact I would like to reach out and meet some board members on my next trip. I haven't done that in many years. I've read it is difficult to establish good friendships with Thais. Is that true?
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2246206]Funny thing. You mentioned Tijuana. I'm in Tijuana now. I'm from Hong Kong, ran into Lew Ashby at Hong Club, met a Mexican blonde haired dancer by the name of Tokyo at Hong Kong. The very next day Lew goes to Tokyo, I follow on 12th to Tokyo, we all meet again in Pattaya after that. $100 bucks plus the room for 30 minutes of so so service sucks in Tijuana.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2246295]Funny thing, I'm in San Diego now but making almost daily trips to Tijuana. Drop me a PM and I'll buy you a beer at Hong Kong or wherever you prefer.
Time for a picture of a Mexican gal with tour teddy bear.[/QUOTE]I really didn't expect to meet MonkeyPaw in Tijuana because I don't have full time internet access. But within a few minutes of my post, MonkeyPaw sent me a PM and within 2 hours we were sitting together in Hong Kong Gentlemen's club in Tijuana. Over the next two days we spent about 5 hours right there. I must say, we probably looked like the odd couple because we are extremely different men in just about every respect.
It turns out that MP is an interesting man and he approaches the hobby differently than anyone I've ever met, it's not surprising if he gets different results.
If you get a chance to join him for a drink, do it. It will be an interesting experience.
[QUOTE=Allover;2247456]I know you like the food and many other things in BKK but the woman situation is driving you crazy. Have you considered moving or do you have too many ties to BKK I. E. job, girlfriend, etc? I know some expats have moved on to The Phillippines, Cambodia, and Vietnam due to the changing environment in Thailand. I've thought of moving to BKK or even Pattaya but I am retired and want better healthcare than Thailand offers. Also meeting new friends is much harder now that I am older. From what I read expats often meet and befriend other board members that are regular visitors. I'm not knocking that but I've mongered with a wingman (doesn't monger any more) or solo. In fact I would like to reach out and meet some board members on my next trip. I haven't done that in many years. I've read it is difficult to establish good friendships with Thais. Is that true?[/QUOTE]It's very difficult to make friends with Thai guys. A very wide cultural gap. Lots of great expats in BKK, albeit less than were here a few years ago. Yes, considering other destinations, but if I move it will be to a place with a more temperate climate. I want four seasons! Health care is pretty good in Thailand and insurance is nicely priced.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2245116]Now it's been explained to us. George W. Bush #43 described "swagger" It's called "walking" in Texas.[/QUOTE]So there are 2 more with some serious swagger. Most can't even guess the first. I will be utterly amazed if anyone can guess the second.
You know Dasher and Dancer and Prancer and Vixen.
Comet and Cupid and Donder and Blitzen.
But do you recall?
The most famous reindeer of all?
Hint: Santa asked him to guide his sleigh and after that, he went down in history.
You know Jackson and Jagger and Jordan and Tyson.
Meyers and Ditka and Keaton and Bolton.
But do you recall?
The most famous Michael of all?
Hint: he too was asked to guide, and after that, history doesn't matter anymore.
At 69'yrs old I have swagger from sore muscles and tripping over broken pavement in China. Old and ugly and my daddy was not a major grifter anywhere. Still can get it up with help from the blue and yellow chemicals. Don't need those for dining at the why.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2247031]Then I went to Mixx. Honestly, what a bunch of dogs the CIS girls were... at 2 am, with a whole bunch of booze under the belt, I just bagged it and went to the local brothel near there and wham bammed the skinniest one. [/QUOTE]Nice report. Where was that local brothel, and how much did the wham bam cost?
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2247792]So there are 2 more with some serious swagger. Most can't even guess the first. I will be utterly amazed if anyone can guess the second.
You know Dasher and Dancer and Prancer and Vixen.
Comet and Cupid and Donder and Blitzen.
But do you recall?
The most famous reindeer of all?
Hint: Santa asked him to guide his sleigh and after that, he went down in history.
You know Jackson and Jagger and Jordan and Tyson.
Meyers and Ditka and Keaton and Bolton.
But do you recall?
The most famous Michael of all?
Hint: he too was asked to guide, and after that, history doesn't matter anymore.[/QUOTE]Didn't know Mick Jagger's real first name is Michael. I learn something new every day here.
[QUOTE=Allover;2247881]Didn't know Mick Jagger's real first name is Michael. I learn something new every day here.[/QUOTE]Michael Philip Jagger. Pleased to meet you, hope you guess my name. But what's puzzling you is the nature of my game!! EPIC.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2247834]Nice report. Where was that local brothel, and how much did the wham bam cost?[/QUOTE]I'm sorry, the dude that turned me on to it says I need to keep it to myself, and as he is part of my roof here, I honour his wishes.
I think I know which Michael but won't say it. Personally I thought it was Mike Meyers and his Mojo but he has been eliminated in your riddle.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2248021]I think I know which Michael but won't say it. Personally I thought it was Mike Meyers and his Mojo but he has been eliminated in your riddle.[/QUOTE]Come on there is only one Michael in scripture (meaning all of written language) that even matters. Wonder how many people know?
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2247471]I really didn't expect to meet MonkeyPaw in Tijuana because I don't have full time internet access. But within a few minutes of my post, MonkeyPaw sent me a PM and within 2 hours we were sitting together in Hong Kong Gentlemen's club in Tijuana. Over the next two days we spent about 5 hours right there. I must say, we probably looked like the odd couple because we are extremely different men in just about every respect.
It turns out that MP is an interesting man and he approaches the hobby differently than anyone I've ever met, it's not surprising if he gets different results.
If you get a chance to join him for a drink, do it. It will be an interesting experience.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the kind words. Yep, the Horse and the Monkey may be decades in age difference, but our similar taste for long legged spinners, can be simply stated, as fantastic. A few of the maseros, asked me later if we were in a business meeting of sorts. One even joked asking if you are hiring me to do a hit job on somebody. Funny. On one side, you had a younger colored tattoo sleeved out Asian guy that stood out from everyone with table full of Patron Silver shots, all to myself. And across from me, you had Horsetrader, an older conservative looking white man with a water bottle. Haha. I did offer to buy you a drink on my tab, but you were here clearly for the girls. Anyways, we traded some good info and good chit chat. I think you understand now what game is, and that you've always had it, but of course older gents just sometime refer to it as "wisdom. " But even in wisdom at at any age, requires that we all progress with our minds. Or else that wisdom turns into useless information. Progression is how our spirits stay young inside. It's the key to the fountain of youth. You sir, have found it because you don't settle for less. Monkeypaw 2 Paws up to you.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2246842]My report from year 2048.
I remember the good old days back in 2018 when gogo girls only used to cost 5000 baht for the night. Now a night with a top Thai girl is over 50,000 baht. Ridiculous that a bar thinks they can charge 2,500 baht for a lady drink. Not only that the exchange rate of my home country dollar is now only 50% of what it was back in the good old days of 2018.
Back in the good old days of 2018 it was easy to find a 2 titted girl. Now they all have 3 tits. SNIP [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245742]SNIP All one has to do is throw in some condescending humor with the Blanq Slate approach, it shows that you are serious about them being entertainment for all to enjoy. SNIP [/QUOTE]Funny as fuck, I think someone is catching on. I honestly thought Blanquiceleste was going to do this before you. He was hinting and teasing with some of his responses, but they didn't quite "stretch the story." I kept on waiting to hear more about the fate of those blind mice. Anyways, BB, you took the entertainment part and ran away with it. Two Monkeypaw Paws Up for you as well.
Or this one perhaps.
Hi guys.
I have just RTF and apart from riddles and correct English (in Thailand of all places) has anyone banged a girl in the last 24 hours?
Just asking.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2248278]Hi guys.
I have just RTF and apart from riddles and correct English (in Thailand of all places) has anyone banged a girl in the last 24 hours?
Just asking.
Rob.[/QUOTE]This is radio station Ktalkshit. Post you kewpie doll round the world. Now in a shithole city in a shithole country, just south of Ronnie Reagan Land, SanDiego County. That's TJ
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2247834]Nice report. Where was that local brothel, and how much did the wham bam cost?[/QUOTE]Fairly familiar with area near Mixx. Depends on how far he travelled but there only a few options close by.
Closest is newly opened LE Glamour just beside BTS, worth a visit depends on who's available.
A Thai style fish bowl between Chit Lom and back of Big see on Rathadamri, Cheap and service reflects it.
A rub and tug close by beside the canal, OK if this as much as you want.
Not close as such but accessible are shops on Soi 1 , Pratunam and lower Phetchaburi, taxi driver best way finding those but you will usually be taken to where they get commission not always the better option.
If there others they are a well kept secret.
Never will understand why a member posts I went somewhere but I'm not telling you where. Why mention it then?
[QUOTE=RobJones;2248278]Hi guys.
I have just RTF and apart from riddles and correct English (in Thailand of all places) has anyone banged a girl in the last 24 hours?
Just asking.
Rob.[/QUOTE]My last True GFE bang was two nights ago. A lovely 29 year old FL direct to my room about 8 pm. We laid in my bed afterwards and watched Deadpool 2 on my home theater system. Stayed all night afterwards. 2000 baht plus 200 taxi as she left around 11 am.
But within the 24 hour range I got a teeth rattling great full and complete BBBJ+CIM+Swallow from my regular 21 year old Girlfriend last night after a bit of a heatbreak crisis where she caught me moving a handful of female clothes from a drawer to the laundry basket in my apartment. She thought I was hiding some other girl's undies. The irony is they were HER undies. LOL. I had moved them FROM the laundry basket to that drawer in her absence so visiting girls would not think there is a woman living with me that might come barging in any minute.
Am out with a visiting usa buddy exploring Bkk now while she sleeps away the day off from her regular legit job. I rarely give her any money at all. Maybe 300 baht for taxi to my apartment and lunch every 3-4 all night visits. Oh, I did buy her a nice phone about a year ago.
Both girls are slim and fit. The FL has a couple of dumb tattoos on her chest. Neither has a baby, peircings, a folicle of hair left unshaved or removed on her body and I met each on either ThaiCupid or ThaiFriendly. Forget which.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2248033]Come on there is only one Michael in scripture (meaning all of written language) that even matters. Wonder how many people know?[/QUOTE]Like I said I know which Michael you are referring to. You just supplied another clue above. He's the only Michael who can dance with the Devil.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2248278]Hi guys.
I have just RTF and apart from riddles and correct English (in Thailand of all places) has anyone banged a girl in the last 24 hours?
Just asking.
Rob.[/QUOTE]The riddle is in the stupid shit thread (this thread) and the correct English discussion is in General Reports. So what's the problem?
[QUOTE=RobJones;2248278]Hi guys.
I have just RTF and apart from riddles and correct English (in Thailand of all places) has anyone banged a girl in the last 24 hours?
Just asking.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately not. Just became a "monk" for next 2 months (and regretting it already). Last exquisite one for 2018 on last Sunday. Regular girls I would like to do. LOL Please see Bangkok Thread and Bangkok MPS threads, Pattaya, Other Regions, etc. for mongering topics, hopefully. Got to love it that we have a we have "Stupid Shit" thread, and a General Thread (for non mongering topics), and even Lounge and Chat area.
Guys are always more than welcome to never open certain threads, if the shit is not very interesting, e. G. I hardly open the Photo Gallery Thread, unless some famous poster name would show like NoCBJ4 Me, as example. Never open the "Travel Announcements" thread. Seems to have a point to move stuff to an area that few would want to look at.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2248373]My last True GFE bang was two nights ago.
SNIP
I met each on either ThaiCupid or ThaiFriendly. Forget which.[/QUOTE]WOW! Someone is really tearing it up amidst all this stupid shit. Way to go!
I hope its OK to snip the original post? I hope it won't offend anyone.
So for this trip in Pattaya, I decided to perhaps bring some unity to this board. Over the years, there have been some "generalizations" or disparaging remarks about race, ethnicity, age etc. Typically has to do with the whole Japanese or Asian 2/2/2 theory 2 inches 2 minutes and I have no idea what the last 2 means, 2000 baht? And I'm sure that there has been comments made the other direction as well. So let's settle it all up. I know a 22 year old girl that is willing to accept a gang bang and train getting ran on her. Her only rule is that only one guy can cum at one time. Everything else goes. She doesn't want any bukkake. Neither would I because I don't want another dude's jizz on me. It'll cost 2000 per guy and it gives us all a chance to settle the truth about race, dick size, age, and performance. So what's up, especially to those who have a history of talking all that gibberish? And if your response is "not all but some or most" then I suggest you copy and paste those words in quotes before commenting about that again. And by the way the only bed big enough to accommodate a gang bang is Hilton.
Secondly, anybody wants to break in a tomboy? I've done it before and it was great. See before and after pics of the one I transformed. This one (brown shirt), however, has no boobs though, but add a little make up and she will look pretty. Can't wait to hear some responses to this because you know Monkeypaw always has something up the sleeve.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2248350]Fairly familiar with area near Mixx. Depends on how far he travelled but there only a few options close by.
Closest is newly opened LE Glamour just beside BTS, worth a visit depends on who's available.
A Thai style fish bowl between Chit Lom and back of Big see on Rathadamri, Cheap and service reflects it.
A rub and tug close by beside the canal, OK if this as much as you want.
Not close as such but accessible are shops on Soi 1 , Pratunam and lower Phetchaburi, taxi driver best way finding those but you will usually be taken to where they get commission not always the better option.
If there others they are a well kept secret.
Never will understand why a member posts I went somewhere but I'm not telling you where. Why mention it then?[/QUOTE]It was mentioned just as an aside to the main point. I'm sure that there are places that other fellows go that they have to keep quiet for various reasons.
1. Stirring congee isn't on my list of things to do in LOS.
2. You need a sample of 1000 to extrapolate any useful.
Information so good luck with getting 1000 dudes of each race to show you their junk.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2248502]So for this trip in Pattaya, I decided to perhaps bring some unity to this board. Over the years, there have been some "generalizations" or disparaging remarks about race, ethnicity, age etc. Typically has to do with the whole Japanese or Asian 2/2/2 theory 2 inches 2 minutes and I have no idea what the last 2 means, 2000 baht? And I'm sure that there has been comments made the other direction as well. So let's settle it all up. I know a 22 year old girl that is willing to accept a gang bang and train getting ran on her. Her only rule is that only one guy can cum at one time. Everything else goes. She doesn't want any bukkake. Neither would I because I don't want another dude's jizz on me. It'll cost 2000 per guy and it gives us all a chance to settle the truth about race, dick size, age, and performance. So what's up, especially to those who have a history of talking all that gibberish? And if your response is "not all but some or most" then I suggest you copy and paste those words in quotes before commenting about that again. And by the way the only bed big enough to accommodate a gang bang is Hilton.
Secondly, anybody wants to break in a tomboy? I've done it before and it was great. See before and after pics of the one I transformed. This one (brown shirt), however, has no boobs though, but add a little make up and she will look pretty. Can't wait to hear some responses to this because you know Monkeypaw always has something up the sleeve.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2248502]So for this trip in Pattaya, I decided to perhaps bring some unity to this board. Over the years, there have been some "generalizations" or disparaging remarks about race, ethnicity, age etc. Typically has to do with the whole Japanese or Asian 2/2/2 theory 2 inches 2 minutes and I have no idea what the last 2 means, 2000 baht? And I'm sure that there has been comments made the other direction as well. So let's settle it all up. I know a 22 year old girl that is willing to accept a gang bang and train getting ran on her. Her only rule is that only one guy can cum at one time. Everything else goes. She doesn't want any bukkake. Neither would I because I don't want another dude's jizz on me. It'll cost 2000 per guy and it gives us all a chance to settle the truth about race, dick size, age, and performance. So what's up, especially to those who have a history of talking all that gibberish? And if your response is "not all but some or most" then I suggest you copy and paste those words in quotes before commenting about that again. And by the way the only bed big enough to accommodate a gang bang is Hilton.
Secondly, anybody wants to break in a tomboy? I've done it before and it was great. See before and after pics of the one I transformed. This one (brown shirt), however, has no boobs though, but add a little make up and she will look pretty. Can't wait to hear some responses to this because you know Monkeypaw always has something up the sleeve.[/QUOTE]I'd be up for either. As to the GB, I should go first because I am 2.5 minutes and at my age, nothing comes out. I'm hung like a stud mouse too.
As to Toms, they are my fav. I'm working one right now at the local market who speaks nice English and hope I can score. I just like to show them that this old man munches the clam better than any girl they will meet. That's why I have a 24 year old model girlfriend back home, ain't my wallet of my looks, its my sliver tongue.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2248496]WOW! Someone is really tearing it up amidst all this stupid shit. Way to go!
I hope its OK to snip the original post? I hope it won't offend anyone.[/QUOTE]For me, I am never offended if my post is snipped to quote from it unless doing so changes the meaning in some significant way. That didn't happen here.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2248563]It was mentioned just as an aside to the main point. I'm sure that there are places that other fellows go that they have to keep quiet for various reasons.[/QUOTE]I get it, it was an off the cuff comment on how the night finished and to be honest no disrespect intended I couldn't give a rats ass where you went or who you shagged. What interested me was the rationale behind not mentioning where because your buddy wanted it kept under wraps. I can see why some members don't want to mention girls they have met and had a good time with because they want to keep her as much as possible for themselves. Unless they intend sponsoring her I actually think this is frightfully immature. If she continues to work and he really likes her he should be telling the rest of us so she can make a lot more money, the reason she does what she does in the first place. Not to is a combination of selfishness and jealousy but at least it's understandable. Not wanting to mention the place because you buddy doesn't want anybody to know about it sorry I don't get it. Anyway no big deal just curious as to what the reason could be.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2248496]... (snip snip snip)
I hope its OK to snip the original post? I hope it won't offend anyone.[/QUOTE]Snipping is in fact good practice to avoid cluttering the forum with full texts of previous posts.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2248502] Over the years, there have been some "generalizations" or disparaging remarks about race, ethnicity, age etc. Typically has to do with the whole Japanese or Asian 2/2/2 theory 2 inches 2 minutes and I have no idea what the last 2 means, 2000 baht?..... I know a 22 year old girl that is willing to accept a gang bang and train getting ran on her. Her only rule is that only one guy can cum at one time. Everything else goes. She doesn't want any bukkake. Neither would I because I don't want another dude's jizz on me. It'll cost 2000 per guy and it gives us all a chance to settle the truth about race, dick size, age, and performance. [/QUOTE]Have no idea where you heard '222'. Everybody here has chatted with girls on line I'm sure. And what do they type when they think something is funny? It's '555'. That stands for 5 inches, 5 minutes and 5000 baht. The girls are always laughing about '555', its not just a number they created out of the blue. Five inches might be a generalization 'somewhat' but everybody out there has tried on Japanese condoms and found them far too tight and way too small. Condom companies wouldn't be in business long selling condoms that didn't fit their customer base.
As to the gangbang, I'm in if your in Pattaya in March. As to cumming, a gangbang is more to extend the fucking and not to finish quickly. Always back off before you cum and let another guy take over, then jump back in when the need has passed. Girl should get a good solid 3 hours of non stop fucking if you have 3 to 4 guys. At the end of the gangbang she'll be begging for everyone to finish.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2249011] And what do they type when they think something is funny? It's '555'. That stands for 5 inches, 5 minutes and 5000 baht. The girls are always laughing about '555', its not just a number they created out of the blue. [/QUOTE]You have been misinformed if you were told that's what 555 means for a Thai girl.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2249011]Have no idea where you heard '222'. Everybody here has chatted with girls on line I'm sure. And what do they type when they think something is funny? It's '555'. That stands for 5 inches, 5 minutes and 5000 baht. The girls are always laughing about '555', its not just a number they created out of the blue.[/QUOTE]555 was not created out of the blue. Google translate shows the Thai sound for 5 to essentially be "ha". So, 555 is hahaha. Laughing. The term is not related to the sex industry.
Some old posts describe that Thermae girls prefer Korean and Japanese customers because of 333. Three inches, three minutes, 3000 baht. Perhaps that term originated from some fat, old, sloppy farang who wasn't wanted by the top tier Thermae girls.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2249091]555 was not created out of the blue. Google translate shows the Thai sound for 5 to essentially be "ha". So, 555 is hahaha. Laughing. The term is not related to the sex industry.
Some old posts describe that Thermae girls prefer Korean and Japanese customers because of 333. Three inches, three minutes, 3000 baht. Perhaps that term originated from some fat, old, sloppy farang who wasn't wanted by the top tier Thermae girls.[/QUOTE]Same 333 is used in Philippines threads to denigrate Koreans and Japanese customers by rejected so and so's.
3 inches.
3 minutes.
3000 pesos.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2249091]555 was not created out of the blue. Google translate shows the Thai sound for 5 to essentially be "ha". So, 555 is hahaha. Laughing. The term is not related to the sex industry.
Some old posts describe that Thermae girls prefer Korean and Japanese customers because of 333. Three inches, three minutes, 3000 baht. Perhaps that term originated from some fat, old, sloppy farang who wasn't wanted by the top tier Thermae girls.[/QUOTE]Something created for one thing can be used with another meaning as an inside joke. We all have to admit, nobody here knows exactly what the girl is thinking. I was given told that in front of another farang from his two working girls after another working girl was done with a barfine. Do I know for sure it wasn't a bunch of BS? Absolutely no clue but it sure sounded legit. There's a reason why you see these Japanese guys being hounded at the FKK clubs in Germany, same with the Turkish guys. They finish quickly and the girls can move on to making more money elsewhere.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2249011]Have no idea where you heard '222'. Everybody here has chatted with girls on line I'm sure. And what do they type when they think something is funny? It's '555'. That stands for 5 inches, 5 minutes and 5000 baht. The girls are always laughing about '555', its not just a number they created out of the blue. [/QUOTE]This post has put some life back into this particular thread. Best I have read all week.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2248983]I get it, it was an off the cuff comment on how the night finished and to be honest no disrespect intended I couldn't give a rats ass where you went or who you shagged. What interested me was the rationale behind not mentioning where because your buddy wanted it kept under wraps. I can see why some members don't want to mention girls they have met and had a good time with because they want to keep her as much as possible for themselves. Unless they intend sponsoring her I actually think this is frightfully immature. If she continues to work and he really likes her he should be telling the rest of us so she can make a lot more money, the reason she does what she does in the first place. Not to is a combination of selfishness and jealousy but at least it's understandable. Not wanting to mention the place because you buddy doesn't want anybody to know about it sorry I don't get it. Anyway no big deal just curious as to what the reason could be.[/QUOTE]I don't ask him his reasons for any request he makes of me. "don't tell anyone I told you about here, OK". "don't tell anyone where this place is OK". "I never told you this but,""don't come here without me or _ "please do not be going there." "Do you want to eat? Sure I'll buy. Thank you, we will go _ OK." Always a smile.
As long timers know, the hierarchy and nature of Thai society permits status and power to be indicated by a subtle smile and a manner of speaking and choice of language. Thais understand this implicitly, and understand that a simple smiling request is actually a command. Me, I'm an fat old git, but I'm not stupid so I know that what he wants is fine with me. I never have to worry about things.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2249011]Have no idea where you heard '222'. Everybody here has chatted with girls on line I'm sure. And what do they type when they think something is funny? It's '555'. That stands for 5 inches, 5 minutes and 5000 baht. The girls are always laughing about '555', its not just a number they created out of the blue. Five inches might be a generalization 'somewhat' but everybody out there has tried on Japanese condoms and found them far too tight and way too small. Condom companies wouldn't be in business long selling condoms that didn't fit their customer base.
As to the gangbang, I'm in if your in Pattaya in March. As to cumming, a gangbang is more to extend the fucking and not to finish quickly. Always back off before you cum and let another guy take over, then jump back in when the need has passed. Girl should get a good solid 3 hours of non stop fucking if you have 3 to 4 guys. At the end of the gangbang she'll be begging for everyone to finish.[/QUOTE]555 means Ha Ha Ha, the Thai 5 which is pronounced ha. It is used to indicate laughter on chats or other forms of social media communication in Thailand. It doesn't have anything to do with length, time, or remuneration.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2249091]Some old posts describe that Thermae girls prefer Korean and Japanese customers because of 333. Three inches, three minutes, 3000 baht. Perhaps that term originated from some fat, old, sloppy farang who wasn't wanted by the top tier Thermae girls.[/QUOTE]Actually if you go back almost 20 years when Asian dudes started to appear in Thermae, you would find the origin of the term. The first Asian dudes to appear in Thermae did so in the very early 00's. They were for the most part older Japanese expats and older Japanese guys on golfing holidays. By old, I mean 55 up. At first the gals ignored them, but then a segment started to go with them and within a couple of years the back of Thermae was filled with gals who would only go with these older Japanese guys. Was it money? Of course so. My gang was young, mid 30's, in great shape, spoke Thai, etc, but we weren't about to pay over 1 k for any gal in Thermae. And these older grizzled Japanese guys, almost all of whom smoked like chimneys, were paying more and getting the lookers. Also very quickly the gals who were focused on the Japanese would shun the Farang customers. One friend would take one of the Japanese focused gals on occasion. She would never be seen leaving with him, made him meet her outside. Not only did she not want the Japanese dudes to see her leaving with Hi, she did not want her friends to know she was going with a farang.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2249247]I don't ask him his reasons for any request he makes of me. "don't tell anyone I told you about here, OK". "don't tell anyone where this place is OK". "I never told you this but,""don't come here without me or _ "please do not be going there." "Do you want to eat? Sure I'll buy. Thank you, we will go _ OK." Always a smile.
As long timers know, the hierarchy and nature of Thai society permits status and power to be indicated by a subtle smile and a manner of speaking and choice of language. Thais understand this implicitly, and understand that a simple smiling request is actually a command. Me, I'm an fat old git, but I'm not stupid so I know that what he wants is fine with me. I never have to worry about things.[/QUOTE]Honoring a friends request is admirable and totally understandable. I am aware there are some back street spots in the Pratunam area that for whatever nefarious reason owners prefer are kept under the radar and are almost exclusively visited by Thais. Perhaps this explains your friends reluctance.
[QUOTE=XXL;2249010]Snipping is in fact good practice to avoid cluttering the forum with full texts of previous posts.[/QUOTE]Exactly. People are often quoting an entire post just to comment on a particular part of it. Or they are quoting an entire lengthy field report just to write "Great report!"
Sigh.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2249269]555 means Ha Ha Ha, the Thai 5 which is pronounced ha. It is used to indicate laughter on chats or other forms of social media communication in Thailand. It doesn't have anything to do with length, time, or remuneration.[/QUOTE]I'm with you. 555 for a Thai means hahaha. It has nothing to do with anything sexual. In Spanish it's jajaja.
I have never heard 222, however, back in the early 2000's, the girls used to say 333 about the Japanese customers meaning 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht. They were paying 3000 even way back in the early 2000's so I can't imagine when it was that they were paying only 2000 to qualify for 222. My guess is the Japanese are paying 5 to 7000 now so the girls don't use the joke anymore since they exceeded the length possibility when it went past 3.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2249382]I'm with you. 555 for a Thai means hahaha. It has nothing to do with anything sexual. In Spanish it's jajaja.[/QUOTE]And Santa Claus says ho ho ho. Got it.
Yes. But I'm not too fussed about how Santa Claus might say it. I won't be chatting him up any time soon.
Indonesians say "wkwkwkwk" to indicate a laugh. I think they got that from the old days when the game Pac Man was popular.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2249401]Yes. But I'm not too fussed about how Santa Claus might say it. I won't be chatting him up any time soon.
Indonesians say "wkwkwkwk" to indicate a laugh. I think they got that from the old days when the game Pac Man was popular.[/QUOTE]The Indo laugh is mimicking a witch from one of there legends / kids story.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2249382]I'm with you. 555 for a Thai means hahaha. It has nothing to do with anything sexual. In Spanish it's jajaja.
I have never heard 222, however, back in the early 2000's, the girls used to say 333 about the Japanese customers meaning 3 inches for 3 minutes for 3000 baht. They were paying 3000 even way back in the early 2000's so I can't imagine when it was that they were paying only 2000 to qualify for 222. My guess is the Japanese are paying 5 to 7000 now so the girls don't use the joke anymore since they exceeded the length possibility when it went past 3.[/QUOTE]See gals in Thermae quoting 3 k all the time, and getting it. Amazing. Wouldn't go over 1500 for any of them.
That was back in the 90's when you could get a gal under the table sucking your dick from a small fee. It's gone to shit in there now as they're too fussy about farangs and prefer a quick in out with Jap guys.
One week ago I saw a dermatologist at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya (BHP) for a skin rash. Went home with some medicines, next day the rash was gone, would most certainly have gone away by itself. The price charged was reasonable, something like 1700 thb.
Now today at 3 pm I got a phone call from BHP to remind me of an appointment tomorrow. I had not recollection of any appointment tomorrow and I said so after some talking at cross purposes. One hour after that phone call I got an unanswerable text message saying "Mr. (my name) has an appointment with Dr. (doctor's name) at Dermatology Center on 16/11/18 at 13:00 at Bangkok Hospital Pattaya."
Where I come from after you got dismissed by a doctor for a minor ailment you only came back if explicitely agreed or if the condition didn't improve.
Is it customary for a hospital / doctor to unilaterally decide days later that I should come for a follow-up appointment? The fact that they have been calling me reinforces my suspicion no 2nd appointment was ever agreed on (one never knows with language problems). Otherwise why call me? It was not as though I was having an operation. It was just, at best, a redundant 2nd consultation.
I know we are cash cows. I don't mind being one of sorts. I have good insurance coverage. But this feels eerie.
I have had no serious medical or dental issues so far in Thailand but the few interactions I've had have been tainted by weird little anomalies that do not add up to an encouraging impression.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2249322]MonkeyPaw arrived in town Wednesday and I had the pleasure of meeting him for a night on WS. For those who STILL might not believe he is real and actually is out there hunting women, I will add my confirmation to the growing list of senior members here who can vouch for him. He can be over the top, and he has an interesting philosophy on life, but I witnessed his charm and his game on the ladies, and he kills it! At a couple of points I was in uncontrollable laughter, and for this nerd with a Vulcan-like personality much of the time who is always in control of his emotions, that was an amazing thing! His little tricks with the bugs and now buzzing vibrators and lighters that will shock, I mean, the guys gets attention, he gets the girls and those around him laughing, and if you get a girl laughing, you have won half the battle..[/QUOTE]Because for me it's all about tricks, traps, and trophies or fuck, feed, and fifty. Does anybody even know what all this means? Insight, intellect, spirituality will get you far in my world. And how do I keep getting the both girls and guys to keep playing, knowing what I can do with all these mind games? My powers I keep telling folks about. Here is a hint. Thanks to God, I, me, myself was created and born a leader. Simple research on Google suggests:
All leaders exhibit the same types of leadership power as displayed by (knowledge, skills, and abilities).
Legitimate power.
Information power.
Expert power.
Reward power.
Coercive power.
Referent power.
Charismatic power.
Moral power.
By the way. Anybody know which club that neon sign is from?
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2248789]I'd be up for either. As to the GB, I should go first because I am 2.5 minutes and at my age, nothing comes out. I'm hung like a stud mouse too.
As to Toms, they are my fav. I'm working one right now at the local market who speaks nice English and hope I can score. I just like to show them that this old man munches the clam better than any girl they will meet. That's why I have a 24 year old model girlfriend back home, ain't my wallet of my looks, its my sliver tongue.[/QUOTE]I think you will be able to connect the dots here. Because of your honesty, however brutal it may be, it shows that you have little to no ego. For that, you will get a well deserved Monkeypaw prize. How about a brand new car to play with? Ever heard of a Porche777 ? I think you know what to do with that right? Show me how smart you are and you can thank me for the new car later, but only on the ISG board. No PM needed but it's nice to always to get one, right? The Porche777 is a very fun ride for those who have a silver tongue and likes munching clams. Enjoy your car.
[QUOTE=XXL;2249442]
Is it customary for a hospital / doctor to unilaterally decide days later that I should come for a follow-up appointment? The fact that they have been calling me reinforces my suspicion no 2nd appointment was ever agreed on (one never knows with language problems). Otherwise why call me? It was not as though I was having an operation. It was just, at best, a redundant 2nd consultation.[/QUOTE]I had the same thing happen with a Dermatologist in Houston Texas. I had not scheduled a follow up, but they called me saying I did have one coming up the following week. I called them back saying I did not need a follow up and to cancel that since we never agreed upon it in the first place. A few months later I received the bill for not showing up for the follow up. I called them refusing to pay and asked them to remove that charge. A few months later I received a letter from a lawyer stating they were suing me. It also hit my credit report as a negative.
So it's not just Thailand.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2249407]The Indo laugh is mimicking a witch from one of there legends / kids story.[/QUOTE]My favorite is the Pocong laugh. That one always cracks me up.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2249418]That was back in the 90's when you could get a gal under the table sucking your dick from a small fee. It's gone to shit in there now as they're too fussy about farangs and prefer a quick in out with Jap guys.[/QUOTE]Fun? Was it ever. You'd walk around and gals would grab your johnson. They were forward and aggressive. Liked to drink and dance. Place was a raucous party every night. How could I describe it? Gals were in some ways like Soi 6 gals in Pattaya. Pulled hundreds of gals there from 99-07. Now, bunch of gals standing around with dudes circling. Like a middle school dance. Very little interaction and rarely will you see a gal drinking and having a good time. They all adopt this faux demure attitude because that is what the majority of the current crop of customers want. I was in there the other night with a group of friends and ran into a dude I had not seen in awhile. We were talking and guess some gal was irritated that we were standing in front of her, she kept telling us to move, we didn't, plenty of room for traffic around us, kept pointing for us to walk on, we didn't, finally my friend had to tell her to f& off to get her to shut up. FFS we were drinking and spending money at the bar. The place just is not fun anymore. It's the antithesis. Asian style and Farang style are different. Not better or worse, but different. The gals in Thermae cater to their customer base. It's predominately Asian. And it just ain't my thing.
Lots of young Asian dudes in Thermae as well. I love seeing young dudes in the P4 P scene. Young white men in BKK are not using P4 P. Most farang guys under 40 and almost all under 35 are really anti-P4 P. They cast aspersions at men who participate. Sad really.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2249368]Exactly. People are often quoting an entire post just to comment on a particular part of it. Or they are quoting an entire lengthy field report just to write "Great report!"
Sigh.[/QUOTE]If you are quoting to reply to a post while on your smartphone, it does require much more effort to delete the unnecessary parts and leave the small portion you're replying about. But it can be done. I do wish there was simply a Thumbs Up and Thumbs Down option to eliminate the "I agree" or "Good post" comments after a very long FR has been quoted. But, again, that is mostly an annoyance when you are reading these threads on a smartphone. It is easy to skim past them while on a full sized computer or laptop.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2249408]See gals in Thermae quoting 3 k all the time, and getting it. Amazing. Wouldn't go over 1500 for any of them.[/QUOTE]Any takers for 1. 5? I mean, even the old hags at beergarden start out asking 2 K LT. Certainly there are some lookers in Thermae, but I have never tried. Some have made it known to me that my Western sausage would not be barred, but I never went into negotiations. For me, Thermae is just cheap entertainment for the cost of a couple Singhas when in BKK.
BTW is there anyone who has figured out if there is system for the girls' parking slots? It seems there are often a lot cuties hiding in the back near the staircase. A seniority thing?
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2249681]Fun? rarely will you see a gal drinking and having a good time. [/QUOTE]This is why I don't like Thermae. I find the place no fun at all.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2249568]I think you will be able to connect the dots here. Because of your honesty, however brutal it may be, it shows that you have little to no ego. For that, you will get a well deserved Monkeypaw prize. How about a brand new car to play with? Ever heard of a Porche777 ? I think you know what to do with that right? Show me how smart you are and you can thank me for the new car later, but only on the ISG board. No PM needed but it's nice to always to get one, right? The Porche777 is a very fun ride for those who have a silver tongue and likes munching clams. Enjoy your car.[/QUOTE]Mr. Paw:
Little to no ego?
Paw Dude, I'm fat stoned and silly. Even my mother thinks I'm an idiot. My Team is Millwall, only because of their motto. I drift though life with a smile on my face. Sometimes I go to overpasses at night and watch the traffic and cackle. I talk to the worm guy that slithers down Sukhmavit, but he doesn't understand about the conflict between Noe Jordania's Menshevik view of socialism as opposed to Koba Djugashvilis. At least he listens and makes appropriate gurgling noises.
I do reverse tucks while taking a dump in case there is a hungry Python in the bowl that seeks to remove the what little I have! My idea of a hot date is to put on nice clothes, eat some Moo on a Stick, have a drink with supermodels at Spasso, then roll down to Sanam Luang and look for 300 b toothless gumjobs behind a dumpster! I only have one drink because I don't think bars that would let me in are nice places. I have evolved to the point of never having an ego to begin with. Even my ID thinks I am crazy! I'm so weird I get suspended once or twice a month on the other more family friendly Thailand Board.
I've heard of a Porsche 777. ID love to drive around with you in one, as long as you don't mind first gear only. I don't like to go fast it confuses me, plus I tend to look at stuff on the side of the road because stuff is so cool, especially here. Like wow dude, look at that Rat, its hung bigger than me! Here Khun Rat, have some dried squid! I used to have a 550 CLS and the dealer told me that if I never go over 30 mph, I would ruin it. So I ran it at 125 between Fairbanks and Anchorage and got a ticket and banged the exhaust from playing Bullit on frost heaves. Heavens! Then I sold it and bought a 1981 Ford F-150 6 cylinder 3 speed with mismatched tires. Then I got a ticket for holding up traffic. But hey lets go for a spin. Is it black? Can we hang Amulets from the mirror? Does it have an FM Radio. Can I pretend I'm Paul Walker? Maybe you should drive and or we can sit in a parking lot and Ill make motor noises! I have fake RayBans too! Can we eat Durian in it? Can we take pictures for my IG?
Unfortunately I don't have PMs here because the filthy Americans cut off Credit Card member processing and mailing Baht to Miami is not an option. So I don't know how we can arrange things yet. But for an idiot, I am smart. I would love a Tom. Does she have an ass like a 12 year old boy? Tell her my nickname is Mr. Munch. By the time I am done gobbling her, she will be a frothy as a Thai Tea smoothy!
[QUOTE=PuteNut;2249707]Any takers for 1. 5? I mean, even the old hags at beergarden start out asking 2 K LT. Certainly there are some lookers in Thermae, but I have never tried. Some have made it known to me that my Western sausage would not be barred, but I never went into negotiations. For me, Thermae is just cheap entertainment for the cost of a couple Singhas when in BKK.
BTW is there anyone who has figured out if there is system for the girls' parking slots? It seems there are often a lot cuties hiding in the back near the staircase. A seniority thing?[/QUOTE]It's amazing the pricing these days. Yes, the old hags at the BG wanting 2 k; absurd. And Thermae gals never going below 2. 5 k. Insane.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2249553]Because for me it's all about tricks, traps, and trophies or fuck, feed, and fifty. Does anybody even know what all this means? Insight, intellect, spirituality will get you far in my world. And how do I keep getting the both girls and guys to keep playing, knowing what I can do with all these mind games? My powers I keep telling folks about. Here is a hint. Thanks to God, I, me, myself was created and born a leader. Simple research on Google suggests:[/QUOTE]OMFG (insert puking smiley). I think it's time you look up the meaning of narcissism.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2249778]It's amazing the pricing these days. Yes, the old hags at the BG wanting 2 k; absurd. And Thermae gals never going below 2. 5 k. Insane.[/QUOTE]Why Insane? Prices have to rise eventually, and we even see MPs prices gradually going up. Someone just mentioned Doki Doki charges 3 K for 60 minutes. You still have the option of street walkers at 1 k to 1. 5 K for a 30 min session, right? They don't seem to like it when I want 90 minutes. LOL One street walker girl with body and face NOT really up to standard (a 30 YO mother), but a pretty enthusiastic fuck, was suggesting she would like to get 2 k from me for 60 minutes or 2. 5 K for 90 minutes. i.e. I was ripping her off a bit by taking extended time. LOL At that point I decided she just wasn't hot enough for those prices, and stopped doing her. I do have much hotter girls costing me a little more than I was paying her.
Naturally I would not be taking any old hags from Beer Garten at 2 K or for any other price for that matter. I can't remember when I ever found a girl of interest there, of course not keeping on visiting after a few unsuccessful tries. Likewise I probably won't waste my time in Thermae much more, after no recent girls really any good for looks attitude and service, and price was not really the biggest issue, but certainly did not get any value for money girls.
I am still more happy to pay 2. 5 K to 3 K to meet a hot experienced bargirl regular who specialises in Farangs privately, and avoid the bar overheads for drinks and BF. I did BF a bargirl this year maybe only 5 times. Most of these were non regulars. I also meet an Oily MP girl privately, and avoid the Massage shop overhead. No massage (with hands) is involved. She seems to like the sex well enough and the money.
I can see the whole scene is gradually being taken over by online with private meet ups. I already do mostly private meet ups but I have not progressed to meeting new girls online, being a dinosaur, but I can see it might be necessary. I am yet to know if online is really conducive to checking a girl's looks and attitude in detail. I guess even harder to tell what the girl is really like, than perusing at the Thermae.
My biggest selection criteria, is now becoming getting girls that prefer Farangs, and preferably have a reasonable level of experience with them, (but are still pretty models LOL). This is the area I come unstuck in at the Thermae these days. My intro question for the girl should be "How many Farangs have you fucked and how many did you like? And why do you like them more than Japanese?" LOL.
Hopefully this was slightly assuming, since it is so unrealistic. I am just wanting to warp back to the Thermae of 20 to 30 years ago. Met some fabulous sweet girls in Thermae of the far past for all night bookings.
[URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-RzXnz0az0[/URL]
This youtuber is giving advice if you end up in Thailand. Apparently there are women selling sex in some place called Pattaya. I used to get sex for about 200 baht in the 1980's and I do note the beat has changed. Soon they will have the egg timer. Once the 3 minutes are up, so are you.
Regarding the Japophoibic remarks about 3 Rs, the significance of that was Japanese venturing out beyond their own well-established places and hitting places like Thermae and living to tell the tale. I am sure most proprietors would prefer Japanese who spend m one and behave themselves to Western English language teachers and football hooligans with big egos and bad hygiene habits.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2249892]...
I can see the whole scene is gradually being taken over by online with private meet ups. I already do mostly private meet ups but I have not progressed to meeting new girls online, being a dinosaur, but I can see it might be necessary. I am yet to know if online is really conducive to checking a girl's looks and attitude in detail. I guess even harder to tell what the girl is really like, than perusing at the Thermae.....[/QUOTE]Impossible to assess girls' lower bodies online. Even the ones with a good lower body may not advertise it at all. Only the ladyboys seem to know what "body" entails. Another curse of online dating, at least as far as Tinder is concerned, is multiple accounts. Girls who work only online have more than one account. One Thai girl I sessioned (and who proved a disaster) has between 5 and 10 accounts. I know because I keep blocking her yet she keeps coming back like a bad penny under different aliases. I have had 8 different girls over through Tinder and only one I found worth a repeat. She is now in Bali after her Thai visa expired.
[QUOTE=XXL;2249915]Impossible to assess girls' lower bodies online. Even the ones with a good lower body may not advertise it at all. Only the ladyboys seem to know what "body" entails. Another curse of online dating, at least as far as Tinder is concerned, is multiple accounts. Girls who work only online have more than one account. One Thai girl I sessioned (and who proved a disaster) has between 5 and 10 accounts. I know because I keep blocking her yet she keeps coming back like a bad penny under different aliases. I have had 8 different girls over through Tinder and only one I found worth a repeat. She is now in Bali after her Thai visa expired.[/QUOTE]There are risk in all forms of meeting girls. Online girls can manipulate their pics, there can be some shocks when picking freelancers when they undress and poor performance from go-go and bar girls. Out of my last my last dozen or so on line encounters I have been disappointed with 2 on body shape and 2 with baby damage and one of the body shapes girls was very disappointing in bed as well. I think all in all the girls online will in most cases perform better and will give better value regarding both St and LT encounters regarding time and shots. I think the other variant is if you meet the girl online a day or two before a rapport can be built which makes all the difference and you can let them know your preferences regarding BBBJ and CIM etc.
I find the go-go and bar girls are very time focused, and I can't blame them, but I can't see the value for money they offer in most cases.
My next trip to the LOS is in February and I will be using a larger proportion of On Line girls then Bars and Go-go's.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2250027]
I find the go-go and bar girls are very time focused, and I can't blame them, but I can't see the value for money they offer in most cases.
[/QUOTE]Obviously you book for a set time for an MP session, so you should get your time. I usually take 90 minutes for a new girl try and sometimes book 2 hours with girls I know well. Sometimes I don't use the full time. No big deal.
It is true, Thermae freelancers, bargirls, and street walkers are all time conscious with the last category being the most problem (because we pay them so little). However only a percentage of bargirls are trying to cheat the customer on time (doing a quicky).
Over several years of doing girls from Sheba, Suzie Wong, Doll House, Crazy House, Shark, and even Baccarat, I did not find many girls at all, to be overly time conscious, so my ST would always be 1 hour to 90 minutes. I had much more time conscious girl problems from Nana Plaza bars, but I really think it just depends on the particular girl. You need to asses the levels of girl impatience carefully before choosing.
So I don't agree. I pay well and expect a decent amount of time, and usually get it from well chosen bargirls / gogo girls. My girl problems are generally more due to being restrictive, dick scared, poor body, poor abilities, starfish, etc. It is probably worth asking a girl how long she believes a ST goes for and how long a LT goes for. Most bar girls do not want to do LT at all, and particularly if the money is not right. So pay low, and for sure the girl becomes very time conscious. My bargirl favourites are all girls with experience and stamina, even much more stamina than I can manage. They become a favourite because they simply don't quit. They have an ethic to earn the money. Sure we don't want lazy quickie type girls. That is one reason why most street walkers fail to be adequate for me, in addition to body problems.
The main reason you would choose the wrong body shape from a gogo girl would be double layer bras completely hiding the tits, or something else hiding railway track bellies. So I don't choose Coyotes wearing a double hard and padded bra that means I cannot tell what the tits are like. I like to see girls wearing as little as possible and leaving not much to the imagination. Topless is way better. I found recently I could still enjoy a 5 Star girl with stunning body and very good face, who was at least cooperative in the room if not particularly responsive. She still did not complain about how long I fucked her. So time was not a problem. She just was more placid (semi star fish) rather than wild and orgasmic that I meet more often. She was naked when chosen, so I knew 100% her body was fabulous for my taste (9 out of 10). She could maybe score a 10 if tits and ass were a little fuller. Still hard to take eyes off her. Exciting for me! Pussy turned out to be tight too. I had to start slowly to compensate.
Don't kid yourself. There are plenty of bargirls that can even enjoy a really good fuck and DATY, as well as take the money. They tend not to be so time conscious when enjoying themselves. Most of them are not going to do many more customers the same night, so no big rush, unless they have some party to get to urgently. Natty Bumpo would agree with me, I am sure. He tends to have even better success rates than me and likes similar types of girls.
I even remember one stunning Crazy House girl (Nat / Nut). She wanted to go to Pattaya that night for a birthday party but still needed to make some money first. She was the hottest girl they had at the time. Young, big natural tits (seemed to be still growing), no surgeries and even face was 8 out of 10. She was therefore very keen for me to BF her, and get out of the bar quickly, without worrying about taking many drinks. Mamasan had probably already indicated to her I had a good reputation with several girls. At ST Hotel nearby she still performed very well and so I did not notice time consciousness. So was a damn good fuck on the bed as well as stunning. So immediately after she could have her friend pick her up and charge off to Pattaya. Unfortunately Nat did not last long at CH.
So sure there are bad types of girls that want a quickie, but it is not bargirls in general in my experience. Choose well, and that should not be the worst problem. Bargirls do want to have a fun time to ease the boredom of the place, and make money.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2249634]When are you coming back? Give me the 4000 baht and I will get you in. I don't understand what the big fascination is though.[/QUOTE]1. Mr. E makes this comment.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2249740]The girl I bar fined from Palace said she normally only goes with Japanese. It was a combination of me willing to pay extra and the influence of Monkey Paw over the mamasan that allowed me to get her. And, look at what happened! 6000 baht basically wasted. For 2800 baht I spent the night with a Soi 6 girl who was hot and gave me an awesome GFE. So why should I want to pay 4000 to become a member of a club who has super expensive girls who may not even go with me and if they do will charge me 6000 baht and not even stay and hour and give me a lousy experience? Believe me, I will be thinking about the awesome BBBJ I got from the lowly Soi 6 girl long after I forget the hotness of the high end Palace girl who barely wanted to touch me.[/QUOTE]2. FL Hawk responds to Mr. E's above comment with an experienced he had at Palace about girl.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2249753]It might be that you should be very proud of your results with that 6,000 baht girl. For all anyone knows, you actually got better treatment from that girl in the privacy of a hotel room than MonkeyPaw has ever gotten from any of his so-called "Top Quality" recommended Thai girls. Maybe even better than his teddy bear gets.[/QUOTE]3. ET responds to FL Hawk post, making this all about Monkeypaw. Do trolls even know they are trolls? Dude? You must have a man crush on somebody. In case you were wondering, yes they are shaved clean and not hairy. Girls like them that way.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2249726]Mr. Paw:
Little to no ego?
Paw Dude, I'm fat stoned and silly. Even my mother thinks I'm an idiot. My Team is Millwall, only because of their motto. I drift though life with a smile on my face. Sometimes I go to overpasses at night and watch the traffic and cackle. I talk to the worm guy that slithers down Sukhmavit, but he doesn't understand about the conflict between Noe Jordania's Menshevik view of socialism as opposed to Koba Djugashvilis. At least he listens and makes appropriate gurgling noises.[/QUOTE]Clap clap clap! He finally gets it. This guy here always had a bit of potential, but now you have definitely shown the entire ISG whole board you can play along with the best. This is what the best of the best does. It's our minds. Most will get lost in translation, confused, and have no idea to what the hell is going on in this conversation. All because they are not on the same level of understanding to where the devil is in the" details". This is how we keep lurkers and trolls away from secrets, treasure maps, and hidden gems. They are not smart enough, not wise enough, and not spiritually high enough to decipher anything that is written. They are truly lost in their own egos and too busy pointing the finger everywhere, even up their own chute. Previously, you mentioned the annoyance of some Chinese at Thermae for their rudeness and behavior, correct? And of course you, like many, want to correct that behavior. It's the Monkeypaw thing to do just like the dirty not washing your hands thing. So believe it or not, our minds are similar. But we can't go around slapping the rude out of folks can we now? But given the same opportunity to peg the same rude folks with a ping pong ball at a Go Go bar. Then what? Ping pong balls get tossed all the time at Go Go bars. Can a customer really complain to management if 1, 2, 3 balls hits him or her in the head? Not really. Now you see how Monkeypaw punishes those who behave badly? My ping pongs are reserved for ding dongs. Just don't act like a ding dong and you will be safe from the Paw and those who think like the Paw. And trust me, you want to think like the Paw. Just have fun with it, punish with a little love, but do it in a way that you can get away with it and you won't end up in the Bangkok Hilton. Use that mind of yours to get back at those who are rude, yes even the Chinese guys (and I'm from Hong Kong), but in the correct, smart, and cunning way. It's a crowded bar, shoes get stepped on all the time. That's a given. Go buy some shoe black polish, dab a bit under your own shoe, and have a few bumping accidents with the rude pushy guys who wear white sneakers in there. When they like to hog those bar stools, sometimes I dab of shoe polish on the seat looks as if somebody had an accident in their pants. Enjoy.
P.S. You've driven a 1994 Porcha right? Now try driving a Porche777, not Porsche777 as you wrote it. I may be spelling it wrong. But you can figure it out.
Out of some curiosity generated by some pictures in the PG, I ended up reading some FRs in the Dubai thread.
Guess what? Monkey Paw you are famous there! People diligently read your posts and quote from them. And they wish there was more life in their own threads. Perhaps a roadshow there might be an idea?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2250334]Out of some curiosity generated by some pictures in the PG, I ended up reading some FRs in the Dubai thread.
Guess what? Monkey Paw you are famous there! People diligently read your posts and quote from them. And they wish there was more life in their own threads. Perhaps a roadshow there might be an idea?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JoeKarnavic;2248673]SNIP. But it is heartening to see some good new FRs which is the spirit of this forum. I wish our forum is as lively as Bangkok forum which has some excellent posters, I read every posts by super seniors there who have 2000 plus posts, never miss banter around Monkey Paw who is unique character. I have some of his quotes which I will copy below to humor you guys. SNIP.
Quote by Monkey Paw (This is just to show what entertaining level a poster can go).
"A Story About Licking Leaking Lek"..[/QUOTE]If you were referring to the above post, then Monkeypaw is flattered to be recognized on other threads all across ISG. That means I'm famous! But Monkeypaw already sort of knew that if you look at post #200 of the SSIT (this thread). Even in other sites when posters refer to the Paw as "the greatest literary mind of our time. " I'm just happy with "greatest mind" and it keeps growing. I can see it's getting boring again, but hope is coming soon. And a little life will get injected in the near future. Now we should let FL Hawk have his moment. He will give credit where it's due. Besides me, Lew Ashby, FL, Dart, BB, and Phazze93 been tearing it up in Pattaya and too busy to post anything. Like I've said before, if you are a actually at ground zero hunting, it's a chore to write up a review. I talk about it with FL every day and even he admits that it's impossible to write up as much as some of these posters and play at the same time. Unless somebody is fibbing. Tsk tsk tsk. During the meantime while we wait, let's take time to give "thanks" to the teddy who has brought ISG so much joy this past year. Mogwai and ET, can you "bow your heads" and lead us in prayer to the teddy bear this Thanksgiving?
Hi Guys.
There has been a bit of chat about losing the desire to bang girls in Thailand thru a longer then 1 week stay! I have only had 5 day stays in Pattaya so I have little knowledge of it but thru my stay I do notice a mid week slump where the lack of sleep and constant banging has taken its toll and I either crash and burn in bed at 10 pm or find myself knocking out zzzz with a LT freelancer.
I can not take full credit for the following as Lew Ashby and myself came up with this concept when reminiscing on a recent Pattaya jaunt. Of course it is best used in a group of 2 or more but this should break up any doldrums that may sent in. Behold I give you the "Pattaya 8 Day Challenge", this can be changed to any city in the world.
1/ PICK UP FROM BUS. PICK UP A GIRL WHILE TRAVELLING IN THE BAHT BUS.
2/ PICK UP FROM ANY MALL. PICK UP A GIRL FROM ANY OF THE SHOPPING MALLS. 3/ PICK UP HOTEL STAFF. PICK UP ANY MEMBER OF HOTEL STAFF. IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT DEPARTMENT THEY WORK 4/ PICK UP ANY SERVER FROM ANY RESTAURANT, CAFÉ ETC. MUSTN'T BE A BAR.
5/ PICK UP ANY MALL WORKER. PICK UP ANY GIRL WHO WORKS IN ANY MALL, SHOP ETC. CAN NOT BE MASSAGE.
6/ PICK UP ANOTHER BM GIRL. VERY LOOSE TO VERIFY BUT AS ACCURATE TO DESCRIPTIONS IN POST AS POSSIBLE. START TAKING NOTES OF NAMES, VENUES AND BADGE NUMBERS.
7/ PUBLIC SEX. A SEXUAL ACT OF ANY NATURE IN A PUBLIC AREA. CAN BE HJ IN OPEN BAR ON ONE OF THE SOI'S OR SEX OR BJ AT THE HOTEL POOL. THE GREATER THE ACT IN THE MORE OPEN AREA THE MORE POINTS OUT OF 10. NO EXTRA PAYMENT ALLOWED.
8/ SWAPPING PARTNERS. CONVINCE A GIRL ONCE BACK IN THE HOTEL TO HAVE ANY FORM OF SEX WITH AT LEAST ONE OTHER GUY.
I know its not everyone's cup of tea but what the hell its better then laying around feeling sorry for ones self because there is too much pussy, LOL.
I know by reading the forum over several years that many of these have been done but to get them all in one trip should be worthy of a special mention.
All the best.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2252425]There has been a bit of chat about losing the desire to bang girls in Thailand thru a longer then 1 week stay! [/QUOTE]Perhaps its more fatigue than loss of desire. Perhaps it has to do with routine. Perhaps age. Perhaps company or the lack of it. Perhaps the quality of girls you shag. Perhaps its the hotel room you stay in. Perhaps food. Perhaps its the absolute loss of connection with the real world outside the bubble. Perhaps its the knowledge that this will end in a few days. I can think of so many more factors contributing to this phenomenon. And this is not theorizing. Because I have tried to correct several factors in isolation. None have worked conclusively.
I have such DMU feelings when I am in ONE SINGLE LOCATION for more than 5 days, but when I cover 2 or 3 different locations over a 15 - 20 day period or more, then I do not feel this way. Also, lately, I don't get the time to hobby for more than 2 weeks at a stretch these days. Problem solved.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2252425]I can not take full credit for the following as Lew Ashby and myself came up with this concept when reminiscing on a recent Pattaya jaunt. Of course it is best used in a group of 2 or more but this should break up any doldrums that may sent in. Behold I give you the "Pattaya 8 Day Challenge", this can be changed to any city in the world.[/QUOTE]5555. What a list! But I have to break it to you, this stuff is all too easy in Pattaya, especially #1 to #5. Not sure if sex in the balcony in broad daylight counts for points on #7. All in a single trip, of course.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2252439]Perhaps its more fatigue than loss of desire. Perhaps it has to do with routine. Perhaps age. Perhaps company or the lack of it. Perhaps the quality of girls you shag. Perhaps its the hotel room you stay in. Perhaps food. Perhaps its the absolute loss of connection with the real world outside the bubble. Perhaps its the knowledge that this will end in a few days. I can think of so many more factors contributing to this phenomenon. And this is not theorizing. Because I have tried to correct several factors in isolation. None have worked conclusively.
I have such DMU feelings when I am in ONE SINGLE LOCATION for more than 5 days, but when I cover 2 or 3 different locations over a 15 - 20 day period or more, then I do not feel this way. Also, lately, I don't get the time to hobby for more than 2 weeks at a stretch these days. Problem solved.
5555. What a list! But I have to break it to you, this stuff is all too easy in Pattaya, especially #1 to #5. Not sure if sex in the balcony in broad daylight counts for points on #7. All in a single trip, of course.[/QUOTE]Hi Blanq.
Numbers 1 to 5 very achievable LOL and 6,7 & 9 feasible but a push in 8 days. I think where the blues set in is when you are travelling alone and when you are with your mates you have each other to bounce off and motivate you to participate. This may sound anal but I have started to set an action plan with quite specific goals to achieve to keep myself focused. It works in the business world and to a degree in this hobby we are participating in, we are conducting business transactions daily.
Anyhow a bit of SSIT to start the day and you guessed I am not very busy this morning 5555.
Rob.
Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]What a situation that shouldn't happen. I don't understand why you would go to Thailand and limit yourself to one girl for 4 weeks, I like to limit myself to 2 to 3 a day. LOL. Being married myself the last thing I want is my missus finding out about my extra curriculum activities. To quote Forrest Gump "stupid is as stupid does!" First why tell her your real name? I will use my real first name but never my surname. How the hell did she get a copy of his licence? He doesn't use the room safe and keep his official forms of identity safe? 1000 TBH a day is SFA so why wouldn't he pay that?
I hope this guy learns from this and improves his game.
His actions truly belong in Stupid Shit in Thailand thread.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]A psycho Thai / Pina / Indo wih your details in suburbia for the sake of $900. . . That's value for money.
Much easier just to say she's going to get 5 k spending money only at the start then everyone knows where they stand and can make decisions accordingly.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]The girl should double her fee for going thru all this. Hope she took pictures of themselves together at scenic spots to prove her story and nail the guy.
He should honor his agreement.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2252845]How the hell did she get a copy of his licence? He doesn't use the room safe and keep his official forms of identity safe?[/QUOTE]That's a heck of a good question, probably lots of chances with 28 days together. I've seen it and it looks like a valid drivers license to me. His license picture is clearly the same person that appears in the vacation pictures. I have to admire her for being smart enough to take a picture of it.
The vacation pictures show fancy hotels, nice restaurants, and getting massages on beautiful beaches. They visited Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Krabi, Ranong, and Chiang Mai. And this guy can't save $35 per day to pay the girl as promised. He doesn't care that she and her children are now suffering.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252865]That's a heck of a good question, probably lots of chances with 28 days together. I've seen it and it looks like a valid drivers license to me. His license picture is clearly the same person that appears in the vacation pictures. I have to admire her for being smart enough to take a picture of it.
The vacation pictures show fancy hotels, nice restaurants, and getting massages on beautiful beaches. They visited Hua Hin, Koh Samui, Krabi, Ranong, and Chiang Mai. And this guy can't save $35 per day to pay the girl as promised. He doesn't care that she and her children are now suffering.[/QUOTE]Knowing the girls' appetite for social media, and that he was married, who the fuck has ANY photos taken with any girl, anywhere? With compromising ones in multiple places!! On her phone!!
They can and may pop up anywhere.
I'm struggling to think of any positive outcome from having photos of Lucy Thai and Brian the clerk anywhere. 😲.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2252889]Knowing the girls' appetite for social media, and that he was married, who the fuck has ANY photos taken with any girl, anywhere?[/QUOTE]Besides that, the longer you stay with 1 person, the more your chances of getting caught. Mfs that are catching and releasing are not getting caught up like that. It is mfs that are building a relationship over time with the same chick that are getting busted.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2252850]The girl should double her fee for going thru all this. Hope she took pictures of themselves together at scenic spots to prove her story and nail the guy.
He should honor his agreement.[/QUOTE]Agreed. It will cost him a lot more in the long run if his wife leaves him. Foolish decision on his part.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
[/QUOTE]If I were her friend, I would strongly encourage her to do exactly that and question why she would delay doing it by another day. However, I don't think engaging in some kind blackmail attempt by warning him ahead of time is a good idea. That could open her to legal problems added to her financial ones.
But as a lovely act of sweet and satisfying revenge? Go for it, honey!
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]What a muppet! Knobheads like these deserve to be nailed. Stiffing a hooker is a classless low life act.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2252931]But as a lovely act of sweet and satisfying revenge? Go for it, honey![/QUOTE]Agree. For once.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2252850]The girl should double her fee for going thru all this. [/QUOTE]If her blackmail ploy works, then she could milk him for a lot more.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2252848]A psycho Thai / Pina / Indo wih your details in suburbia for the sake of $900.[/QUOTE]Why call the girl psycho? I don't think anyone would tolerate not being paid after doing a job. Anyone would use all the leverage available to get the promised sum. And more, as compensation towards breach of trust.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2252845]I like to limit myself to 2 to 3 a day. LOL. [/QUOTE]You sir, are a legend. Mucho respeto!!
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife..[/QUOTE]There are always two sides but assuming her story is true and accurate I feel she should fix an amount she feel she deserves. I would suggest at least double what she was promised as compensation for what he put her through. I would increase this by 50% for every week that goes by after she contacts him. Before she does anything she should gather all the information she can re his whereabouts I. E. Go online to confirm address and any other details she can dig up and then let him know what she intends to do if he refuses to pay up. This would include posts to his Facebook account and any other social media platform along with a sample of what she will send to his home address. Revenge is a dish best served cold so she should take her time planning how to get even.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2253004]What a muppet! Knobheads like these deserve to be nailed. Stiffing a hooker is a classless low life act.
[/QUOTE]What about all the punters who are cheated by hookers everyday, especially in Thailand? No need for anyone to do anything. He will get his comeuppance.
Guys, blackmail is a major crime in Thailand. I don't condone what this guy did in anyway but he does not need to pay her anything now. He should take any evidence of her blackmail to the police to file a report.
So this poor Isaan hooker has a car and a mini army of children she abandoned to take a free holiday. There was also no discussion of payment during the month or no calls to send money back for the sick children and the sicker buffalo during that month. The married farang, meanwhile, allows the hooker access to his papers and doesn't pay her, knowing there could be marital consequences if things go pear shaped. Yeah, right.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2253091]Guys, blackmail is a major crime in Thailand. I don't condone what this guy did in anyway but he does not need to pay her anything now. He should take any evidence of her blackmail to the police to file a report.[/QUOTE]This asshole owes her money via a verbal agreement for services rendered. No need for her to put asking for what she is owed in a form leaving her open to charges of blackmail, something dickhead would be unlikely to want to pursue or a case the police would want to take on. A gentle reminder that she knows where he lives and wants to share some intimate reminders with him of their time together should be enough to get his attention.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2253004]
[QUOTE=Goferring;2252848]A psycho Thai / Pina / Indo wih your details in suburbia for the sake of $900. . . That's value for money.[/QUOTE]
Why call the girl psycho? I don't think anyone would tolerate not being paid after doing a job. Anyone would use all the leverage available to get the promised sum. And more, as compensation towards breach of trust.[/QUOTE]We are using different definitions of "psycho". I mean angry and seeking retribution not crazy and unreasonable.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]30 000 reais is very cheap for 28 days, If the girl is good looking with good attitude, it's not expensive.
[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2253212]30 000 reais is very cheap for 28 days, If the girl is good looking with good attitude, it's not expensive.[/QUOTE]You mean 30,000 baht. It depends on several factors as to whether it would be considered cheap or not. Are we saying cheap for the guy or cheap for the girl? Is he fucking this chick 3 times per day or once every 3 days? Also have to add in all the other expenses. Getting her there, paying for her food and other shit. So it is costing the guy way more than 30,000 baht to whisk a chick away on vacation. 30,000 baht is only payment to the girl.
If the girl is some amazing superhooker making 5000 baht per day is it cheap? She would be losing 110,000 baht for 28 days by going away with some dude.
If the girl is a regular chick that works at the cable company making 10,000 baht per month is it cheap? You are giving her 3 x her salary to go on vacation.
A chick once told me that for 10,000 baht per month she could go back home and would not have to be a hooker anymore. I don't know how sick these kids were, but the other day I said I pay 500 for a doctor visit that includes 5 days worth of medicine. I think it costs 30 baht to go to a public hospital.
In general I give hookers 1000 baht per day. If I was taking them for multiple days then I would entitle myself to a multi-day discount. Just like going shopping; when you buy in bulk, you get a discount. You are paying for her time in bulk and it saves her from the stress of having to look for other customers during that time.
It appears that most guys look at it as the monger being lucky. I look at it as the chick being lucky. He could choose any chick to take and if he does not find one then he could sit there and jack off and still have a pocket full of money. If a chick does not get chosen then she does not have rent or food money and could be out on the street starving to death. A guy can go without pussy much longer than a woman can go without food and a roof over her head.
[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2253212]30 000 reais is very cheap for 28 days, If the girl is good looking with good attitude, it's not expensive.[/QUOTE]The girl is an ordinary woman in her late 30's who has 2 children. IMHO, her pictures are slightly prettier than average. Good value for money or not, it's disappointing that the farang didn't make the agreed payment.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
[/QUOTE]Not sure I fully believe this story although is slightly feasible. Guys are unwise to cheat Thais who may well find a means of getting him back. We don't know if he accidentally ran out of money or just wanted to stiff her.
Firstly 30 K seems rather too low for 28 days. Lets assume he gets 2 fucks per day, although there maybe a very small percentage of guys who don't actually want the girl for sex purposes (yes hard to believe for us red blooded males but have heard of it). This should make the Thai girl suspicious already. A smart girl would not go for so long with a guy unless she knows him very well. The other thing is she should take progress payments including 5 K deposit as a minimum. When I took Thai girls on long holidays, I paid them better than this and sometimes paid them on a nearly daily basis. This would help to keep the girl absolutely at ease, having a fun time, and with no money worries. She can put her cash in the deposit machine from time to time.
It takes time to develop mutual trust.
In the end, the story does not quite ring true with me, unless the girl is really super dumb and nave. MPs now have full up front payments and even bars are trying to have the girl get paid in advance, because of the danger of guys who never intended to pay for sex but take a freebie.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2253146]We are using different definitions of "psycho". I mean angry and seeking retribution not crazy and unreasonable.[/QUOTE]No offence mate. The girl could be anything. Angry, seeking revenge, crazy, unreasonable, even schizophrenic or psychopathic. The issue here is the monger stiffed her after having a good time and in that process he screwed her earning potential for those number of days. He should pay up or face the music.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253331]You mean 30,000 baht. It depends on several factors as to whether it would be considered cheap or not. Are we saying cheap for the guy or cheap for the girl? Is he fucking this chick 3 times per day or once every 3 days? Also have to add in all the other expenses. Getting her there, paying for her food and other shit. So it is costing the guy way more than 30,000 baht to whisk a chick away on vacation. 30,000 baht is only payment to the girl.
If the girl is some amazing superhooker making 5000 baht per day is it cheap? She would be losing 110,000 baht for 28 days by going away with some dude.
If the girl is a regular chick that works at the cable company making 10,000 baht per month is it cheap? You are giving her 3 x her salary to go on vacation.
A chick once told me that for 10,000 baht per month she could go back home and would not have to be a hooker anymore. I don't know how sick these kids were, but the other day I said I pay 500 for a doctor visit that includes 5 days worth of medicine. I think it costs 30 baht to go to a public hospital.
In general I give hookers 1000 baht per day. If I was taking them for multiple days then I would entitle myself to a multi-day discount. Just like going shopping; when you buy in bulk, you get a discount. You are paying for her time in bulk and it saves her from the stress of having to look for other customers during that time.
It appears that most guys look at it as the monger being lucky. I look at it as the chick being lucky. He could choose any chick to take and if he does not find one then he could sit there and jack off and still have a pocket full of money. If a chick does not get chosen then she does not have rent or food money and could be out on the street starving to death. A guy can go without pussy much longer than a woman can go without food and a roof over her head.[/QUOTE]Mr E, the point here is the loser reneged on a deal. Not done. What the money means for the girl and how it compares to her regular earning potential has no relevance.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253331]
In general I give hookers 1000 baht per day.[/QUOTE]In other words, you don't mind going with girls who are the bottom of the barrel.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2253432]Mr E, the point here is the loser reneged on a deal. Not done. What the money means for the girl and how it compares to her regular earning potential has no relevance.[/QUOTE]I know the original. But I was replying to MFS saying how cheap it was.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2253441]In other words, you don't mind going with girls who are the bottom of the barrel.[/QUOTE]Nope. I just go with chicks who realize that I know the true value of things in Thailand. I understand that the price of tea in China has nothing to do with the price of tea back home.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253448]Nope. I just go with chicks who realize that I know the true value of things in Thailand. I understand that the price of tea in China has nothing to do with the price of tea back home.[/QUOTE]I thought the true value of things anywhere is what people are willing and prepared to pay for it. If a chick realizes that no one is willing and prepared to pay her more than 1000 baht for a day of her time and sexual favors, then I suppose 1000 baht will do it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253331]If a chick does not get chosen then she does not have rent or food money and could be out on the street starving to death.[/QUOTE]That only applies to the bottom of the barrel girls. The top girls do not have that problem.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2253448]Nope. I just go with chicks who realize that I know the true value of things in Thailand. I understand that the price of tea in China has nothing to do with the price of tea back home.[/QUOTE]Exactly. A good judge is what the local lads are paying. One look at Fin Fin Fan will tell you everything you need to know. Very few gals over 2 k.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2253594]Exactly. A good judge is what the local lads are paying. [/QUOTE]I have found that the locals pay MORE than foreigners for the top quality girls, but they pay less than foreigners for the low quality girls.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2253710]I have found that the locals pay MORE than foreigners for the top quality girls, but they pay less than foreigners for the low quality girls.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2253594]Exactly. A good judge is what the local lads are paying. One look at Fin Fin Fan will tell you everything you need to know. Very few gals over 2 k.[/QUOTE]I think it very much depends on where the girl typically markets her wares or if she markets them anywhere at all. If you're encountering girls who market their wares in typical farang red light districts, then 1000 baht for a day (Mr. E said "a day", not per ST, so not sure if we're talking about the same thing anymore) is quite low and the girl is bound to be in very, very low demand at anything more than that amount. But maybe not in Pattaya, for instance. Personally, I can't think of a girl I've seen or been with in Pattaya that I'd pay as much as 1,000 baht for a ST. But that is another story.
However, if the girl is only marketing her wares on local Thai sites and in venues frequented only by locals, then 1000 baht for ST is probably fine. Again, not sure about 1,000 baht "a day". That still sounds low for what most punters would find acceptable on Fin Fin Fan and so on.
Still, on dating sites and in encounters around town, you can meet girls who aren't marketing their wares anywhere really and the only amount of baht you are competing with is what the old lady who owns the place pays that girl to wash clothes, sweep floors or serve pad thai. She might be unemployed entirely. In that case, replacing what they usually get paid in their regular job for "a day" of companionship and sex is doable for 1,000 baht. Even in Bangkok red light areas. And it is entirely possible that such a girl is younger, slimmer, cuter and better in bed than many pro P4P girls who market their wares in the usual way.
For several months I have been seeing a 29 year old once a week or so that I met on a Thai dating site (she didn't even post a photo!) whose looks, skills and loving attention in the bed would easily command 3,000 for ST via most farang red light district venues and bars, not including the barfine. But she didn't choose to go that route for whatever reason. I only give her 2,000 for all night that begins sometime around 6PM and ends the next day whenever we wake up and feel like parting ways, usually well after 12noon. I have only ever given her that amount and she has never balked or asked for more.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253773] Personally, I can't think of a girl I've seen or been with in Pattaya that I'd pay as much as 1,000 baht for a ST. But that is another story.[/QUOTE]Cmon ET, I can't recall where you go to in Pattaya but I'll be in Bangkok in a few days. Tell me where there is a lineup better than Palace agogo and I will be there instantly. Walk in to Palace at 9:30 pm on a weekend night and sit for the 3 rotations. I'll even pay for your drink next time you're in town. There are other gogo bars I could name but Palace is the one that is most diverse to attract those with both Farang and Asian taste in women. If you hang out at beer bars, Soi 7, Soi 8, Beach Road, low end gogo bars like Windmill and Crazy House, and only infrequently go to Soi 6 then yes I agree with you but even then there are exceptions on the rare occasion. In fact, met a 19 year old who looks like a cute kpop singer in a grungy beer bar yesterday and ended up being late meeting the guys on WS. I didn't want to leave her and ended up leaving WS early to go see her again. She's been in Pattaya for 4 days now. One of the prettiest girls I ever met in Thailand was a girl from Burma who also worked in a beer bar.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2253710]I have found that the locals pay MORE than foreigners for the top quality girls, but they pay less than foreigners for the low quality girls.[/QUOTE]Totally agree here. Most mongers think that their money and skin give admission to anywhere they wish.
The reality is that 99% would be scared off by the true low end market and will not be permitted access to the high end.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2253710]I have found that the locals pay MORE than foreigners for the top quality girls, but they pay less than foreigners for the low quality girls.[/QUOTE]If they are interested in pursuing a relationship, then maybe, but for a one off; no.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2253797]Cmon ET, I can't recall where you go to in Pattaya but I'll be in Bangkok in a few days. Tell me where there is a lineup better than Palace agogo and I will be there instantly. Walk in to Palace at 9:30 pm on a weekend night and sit for the 3 rotations. I'll even pay for your drink next time you're in town. There are other gogo bars I could name but Palace is the one that is most diverse to attract those with both Farang and Asian taste in women. If you hang out at beer bars, Soi 7, Soi 8, Beach Road, low end gogo bars like Windmill and Crazy House, and only infrequently go to Soi 6 then yes I agree with you but even then there are exceptions on the rare occasion. In fact, met a 19 year old who looks like a cute kpop singer in a grungy beer bar yesterday and ended up being late meeting the guys on WS. I didn't want to leave her and ended up leaving WS early to go see her again. She's been in Pattaya for 4 days now. One of the prettiest girls I ever met in Thailand was a girl from Burma who also worked in a beer bar.[/QUOTE]Is Palace where FLHawk took a girl twice armed with MP and others' expert Pattaya "game", paid god knows how much, and got nothing but the pleasure of chatting with her and finding out she was not up to snuff when it came to actual GFE sexual satisfaction?
I am sure some go-go bars in Pattaya have a handful of overpriced lookers. But I wasn't talking about girls based only on their looks. I was talking about girls I have seen and have "experienced". I have seen, interviewed and taken many girls in Pattaya. But for the past 5-6 years and maybe 9-10 visits, there is not one I would pay as much as 1,000, scratch that, 200 baht to meet or "experience" again.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253773]For several months I have been seeing a 29 year old once a week or so that I met on a Thai dating site (she didn't even post a photo!) whose looks, skills and loving attention in the bed would easily command 3,000 for ST via most farang red light district venues and bars, not including the barfine. But she didn't choose to go that route for whatever reason. I only give her 2,000 for all night that begins sometime around 6PM and ends the next day whenever we wake up and feel like parting ways, usually well after 12noon. I have only ever given her that amount and she has never balked or asked for more.[/QUOTE]This is what we call a semi-hooker, or casual or part time. Some might not even classify her as a hooker. There are girls that want sex. They may feel that they prefer Farangs or non Thai men. They may not refuse a small amount of monetary help.
Used to be a lot more common 20 to 30 years ago where a lot of Thermae girls were semi-hookers. Looking for a good time with a guy, and picking up a bit of bonus pocket money (as a gift). In the old days girls in Thermae were not just looking to make x amount of money in a rather short ST. Yes they could use some extra money when the regular job paid poorly, but they were looking for a good time too, not just to give service.
Therefore I don't think this girl is at all relevant to mainstream hooker discussions and their prices, nor even the talent pools in Pattaya.
I also had a regular girl for sometimes ST and sometimes LT sessions. Certainly no clock watching. Okay She needed some help with the rent, etc. She certainly said it was not about the money for her. She would not be fucking me, if not horny and having a good time, and liking my tongue and dick. Added bonus is I don't pry into her business, no interest in her official BF, don't ask difficult questions, show zero jealousy levels, etc. Easy and laid back and reliable and not selfish in bed. She is a horny girl but does not do Thai men, and has certain specs to met by a candidate guy. Older than your girl, but still hot enough. So I understand well enough, that normal mongering can decline a lot, when you have a special semi-P4 P girl that gives a lot more for a lot less. I have just the one special girl like this, outside of the regular GF. Not that easy to find someone very suitable (for liasons that can only happen when both our partners are absent). I did have a another regular Thai girl, a bit like this outside of Thailand, for many years, but in the end she started to get a bit too old (must be close to 50 now) to be really exiting any more and I was in her location less and less. So nothing has occurred for last few years and I assume ended. She was once a hooker, but retired maybe 15 to 20 years ago, retaining some sexual needs. At another time, had a Thai casual "girlfriend" who was a part time hooker in Germany. She was looking for a little more than just sex, but it was not to be paid.
Some girls want a husband, some want a 2nd boyfriend of sorts, who treats them better than the official primary BF / Partner / husband, some need not much more than the sex. Some need small money but don't want to become a full time hooker.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253848]
I am sure some go-go bars in Pattaya have a handful of overpriced lookers. But I wasn't talking about girls based only on their looks. I was talking about girls I have seen and have "experienced". I have seen, interviewed and taken many girls in Pattaya. But for the past 5-6 years and maybe 9-10 visits, there is not one I would pay as much as 1,000, scratch that, 200 baht to meet or "experience" again.[/QUOTE]How can it be the Bangkok hookers were really good sometimes, and even worth repeating, but impossible to find any good ones in Pattaya? Does not seem to make any sense unless you can explain why the Pattaya girls should be so bad in general or is it just an unfair attitude towards them?
Sounds slightly like my Thermae experience when all girls tried for last few years were pretty worthless, to me. Not one worth repeating (without bringing price into it).
Surely Pattaya must have some girls that really like old Farangs? Some must be capable of a good time. Are you saying all of those are just too ugly?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2253865]Used to be a lot more common 20 to 30 years ago where a lot of Thermae girls were semi-hookers. Looking for a good time with a guy, and picking up a bit of bonus pocket money (as a gift). In the old days girls in Thermae were not just looking to make x amount of money in a rather short ST. Yes they could use some extra money when the regular job paid poorly, but they were looking for a good time too, not just to give service.[/QUOTE]Remember it well. Still going strong when I moved here almost 20 years ago. End of the month was rent time and all the part-timers would come out. I even got driven to the ST hotel in a gals car once. So many office gals looking to supplement their salaries and as you said, have a little fun. Truly a great time. Nothing like that in Thermae now. What used to be a nightly party has devolved into some sort of boring middle school dance with dudes walking around in circles looking at bored gals, forcing a smile, none of whom are drinking any partying. Meh.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2253594]Exactly. A good judge is what the local lads are paying. One look at Fin Fin Fan will tell you everything you need to know. Very few gals over 2 k.[/QUOTE]Thai mileage varies. Most would not be sen dead with a dark-skinned Issaan bottom ender. Once I watched Thai officer cadets on parade. All were white skinned.
Is anyone doing a PhD on all this price variation and differentiation? I guess Thermae is a mainstream tourist as it comes now. I got some terrific bonks and experiences out of that place. One of them was fantastic the first few times but then took the egg timer route. I could do a PhD on her alone.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2253884]some sort of boring middle school dance with dudes walking around in circles looking at bored gals, forcing a smile, none of whom are drinking any partying. Meh.[/QUOTE]That is how I see it too. Like a 1950's "American Graffiti" scene, but without cars or fun. Just a meat market with a ton of rather ordinary looking bored girls. I wish the girls were more outgoing or more lively and dressed better. None look that good to me in their drab street clothes. As a result I haven't taken a girl out of Thermae in years although I still stop in occasionally when I am walking by on my way somewhere else, somewhere better.
All that said, it is hard to knock success. Whatever management is doing wrong in our mutual opinions, they must be doing something very right from a commercial point of view. When I last dropped by Thermae on a drizzly Wednesday night in October around 11pm, the place was packed to the rafters with girls along all 4 walls and all around the island bar with NE Asians clogging up the walk around. So if the joint was filled to capacity on an ordinary Wednesday night in low season. I wonder what it will be like in December/January.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2253927]That is how I see it too. Like a 1950's "American Graffiti" scene, but without cars or fun. Just a meat market with a ton of rather ordinary looking bored girls. I wish the girls were more outgoing or more lively and dressed better. None look that good to me in their drab street clothes. As a result I haven't taken a girl out of Thermae in years although I still stop in occasionally when I am walking by on my way somewhere else, somewhere better.
All that said, it is hard to knock success. Whatever management is doing wrong in our mutual opinions, they must be doing something very right from a commercial point of view. When I last dropped by Thermae on a drizzly Wednesday night in October around 11pm, the place was packed to the rafters with girls along all 4 walls and all around the island bar with NE Asians clogging up the walk around. So if the joint was filled to capacity on an ordinary Wednesday night in low season. I wonder what it will be like in December/January.[/QUOTE]You would have loved it in the early 00's Natty. It was so much fun. A party every night. Management has always catered to the clientele. Most gracious wait staff in the city. Love those dudes.
This question definitely belongs here. I will be needing about 1/2 an hour per day access to a computer when I am next in Pattaya to write my reports. I can on my phone but it turns a quick process into a lengthy one due to small keys and fat fingers. I will obviously check if the hotels I'm booked into has a business centre but any suggestions. I did a laptop that I used exclusively for my hobby but it has died and it's hard to justify the expense of buying a new one for one or two uses a year.
Thanks.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2254124]This question definitely belongs here. I will be needing about 1/2 an hour per day access to a computer when I am next in Pattaya to write my reports. I can on my phone but it turns a quick process into a lengthy one due to small keys and fat fingers. I will obviously check if the hotels I'm booked into has a business centre but any suggestions. I did a laptop that I used exclusively for my hobby but it has died and it's hard to justify the expense of buying a new one for one or two uses a year.
Thanks.
Rob.[/QUOTE]There should be some internet shops around.
I suggest you buy a small tablet <$100 and use free hotel Wifi or other local WiFi.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2254124]This question definitely belongs here. I will be needing about 1/2 an hour per day access to a computer when I am next in Pattaya to write my reports. I can on my phone but it turns a quick process into a lengthy one due to small keys and fat fingers. I will obviously check if the hotels I'm booked into has a business centre but any suggestions. I did a laptop that I used exclusively for my hobby but it has died and it's hard to justify the expense of buying a new one for one or two uses a year.[/QUOTE]There are hotels like LK Residence with computers in the lobby. Some hotels rent laptops. There are also internet cafes spread around Pattaya. You can type 'internet cafe' on Google map to search. If all else fails go to PowerBuy and type your reports from the laptops for sale.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2254124]This question definitely belongs here. I will be needing about 1/2 an hour per day access to a computer when I am next in Pattaya to write my reports. I can on my phone but it turns a quick process into a lengthy one due to small keys and fat fingers. I will obviously check if the hotels I'm booked into has a business centre but any suggestions. I did a laptop that I used exclusively for my hobby but it has died and it's hard to justify the expense of buying a new one for one or two uses a year.
Thanks.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Thanks for the responses. I am thinking about the cheap tablet option, plenty here for less then $100 AUD.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2254207]Thanks for the responses. I am thinking about the cheap tablet option, plenty here for less then $100 AUD.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Actually this report belongs in the General section. It is not at all "Stupid Shit" and that is a relatively new section for more specific purposes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2253865]This is what we call a semi-hooker, or casual or part time. Some might not even classify her as a hooker. There are girls that want sex. They may feel that they prefer Farangs or non Thai men. They may not refuse a small amount of monetary help.
Used to be a lot more common 20 to 30 years ago where a lot of Thermae girls were semi-hookers. Looking for a good time with a guy, and picking up a bit of bonus pocket money (as a gift). In the old days girls in Thermae were not just looking to make x amount of money in a rather short ST. Yes they could use some extra money when the regular job paid poorly, but they were looking for a good time too, not just to give service.
Therefore I don't think this girl is at all relevant to mainstream hooker discussions and their prices, nor even the talent pools in Pattaya.
-snip-[/QUOTE]In our first exchange on the dating site email page, I asked her what she was looking for here. Her response was, "sex for money". So there was no doubt she was a freelancer working the dating sites. I could just as well have met her in Thermae or in one of the usual discos. If I didn't pay her anything, she would not have come to spend the night with me more than that one time. LOL. This is not a case of a girl looking for a boyfriend and then hitting him up every now and then for financial help.
Of course, I have no idea how or where Mr. E is meeting his 1000 baht a day maximum girls and if they fit either or both categories.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2254125]There should be some internet shops around.
I suggest you buy a small tablet <$100 and use free hotel Wifi or other local WiFi.[/QUOTE]With a Bluetooth keyboard. Soooo much easier.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2253872]How can it be the Bangkok hookers were really good sometimes, and even worth repeating, but impossible to find any good ones in Pattaya? Does not seem to make any sense unless you can explain why the Pattaya girls should be so bad in general or is it just an unfair attitude towards them?
Sounds slightly like my Thermae experience when all girls tried for last few years were pretty worthless, to me. Not one worth repeating (without bringing price into it).
Surely Pattaya must have some girls that really like old Farangs? Some must be capable of a good time. Are you saying all of those are just too ugly?[/QUOTE]I don't know how it can be impossible to find any good ones in Pattaya either and that is why I never said that. I said of the ones I have seen, met, interviewed and been with I would not pay so much as 200 baht to repeat the experience. I was just there again about two weeks ago because a visiting usa friend had never been there and wanted to check it out. I did not search out the 2-3 go-go bars where there are supposedly a few great lookers headlining the show and commanding thousands and thousands of baht to pretend not to know how to get off a nice, well-meaning man having paid those thousands and thousands of baht.
From what I gather, the handful of great lookers in Pattaya work in relatively semi-secret go-go bars on Walking Street, never enter or emerge from those bars alone to be seen in public and try hard never to be seen walking to and from the hotels with their high paying customers. So I guess I have missed seeing them all these times. Again, not that their looking stunningly great means all that much to me by itself. It doesn't. But walking around the place again for the umpteenth time, I just didn't see more than 1-2 girls at most who had the looks (doesn't have to be top quality stunner for me) and projected demeanor that would inspire me to spend the time and money to find out just how godawful they are in bed after all.
IMO, Pattaya is a place where P4P girls who cannot cut it in Bangkok go to see if they can scrounge up work with customers who themselves find it more challenging than others to get girls to go with them in Bangkok. That is the girl-customer Match Made in Pattaya Heaven. I am not talking about the rare few guys who go there to hone their mastery of Pattaya "game" and also do well in Bangkok. But look around at the overwhelming demographics of customers walking along Beach Road, cruising up and down Walking Street, going in and out of the bars there and you will be hard pressed to find many that Thai girls are not quite vocal about wanting to avoid as a matter of cultural bias or from personal experiences that did not go well.
It is utterly logical that girls who cannot afford to turn down anyone in those demographics would flock to Pattaya to finally earn rent money where agreeing to go with and being seen with those customers is more locally accepted. And it is just as logical that girls who can afford to turn them down would for the most part not bother to relocate out of Bangkok in favor of a destination where they are sure to be swamped and surrounded by them day and night. Maybe there are some who must stay in Pattaya for family reasons. But that doesn't mean they are going to far outshine their Pattaya sisters on delivering a True GFE session in a location where they clearly never have to do that to make money.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254248]Of course, I have no idea how or where Mr. E is meeting his 1000 baht a day maximum girls and if they fit either or both categories.[/QUOTE]I suspect the 1000 baht per day figure was a derivative of something I reported. That was a late 30's semi hooker (not a hottie) who agreed to a month luxury vacation for 30,000 baht, but her farang welshed and didn't pay her.
Taking my third trip to Pattaya soon and have a couple unplanned days I could spend in Bangkok. In my past trips I've only visited Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Thermae on my way in and out of BKK. Where or how (social media?) can I find the girls in Bangkok that are better than Pattaya girls?
[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2254269]Taking my third trip to Pattaya soon and have a couple unplanned days I could spend in Bangkok. In my past trips I've only visited Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Thermae on my way in and out of BKK. Where or how (social media?) can I find the girls in Bangkok that are better than Pattaya girls?[/QUOTE]ThaiFriendly was VERY productive for me on a recent visit.
[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2254269]Taking my third trip to Pattaya soon and have a couple unplanned days I could spend in Bangkok. In my past trips I've only visited Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy and Thermae on my way in and out of BKK. Where or how (social media?) can I find the girls in Bangkok that are better than Pattaya girls?[/QUOTE]Better for you? I have no idea. But I find better girls for me almost anywhere in Bangkok, including the places you mentioned. I would add ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. But those are going to be a bit trickier for someone spending only a couple of days in Bangkok except for the outright blunt "sex for money" freelancers working them. Then again, I have a very sweet and "innocent" non pro 28 year old girl in my bed right now who I met on ThaiFriendly. She said she would never have sex with a man other than her boyfriend, I made it clear I am NOT her boyfriend, and yet we fucked fully True GFE last night, our very first meeting.
[QUOTE=Ebauche;2254270]ThaiFriendly was VERY productive for me on a recent visit.[/QUOTE]Yes, ThaiFriendly has been working much better for me than ThaiCupid lately. In Bangkok, that is.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254255]IMO, Pattaya is a place where P4P girls who cannot cut it in Bangkok go to see if they can scrounge up work with customers who themselves find it more challenging than others to get girls to go with them in Bangkok. That is the girl-customer Match Made in Pattaya Heaven. I am not talking about the rare few guys who go there to hone their mastery of Pattaya "game" and also do well in Bangkok. But look around at the overwhelming demographics of customers walking along Beach Road, cruising up and down Walking Street, going in and out of the bars there and you will be hard pressed to find many that Thai girls are not quite vocal about wanting to avoid as a matter of cultural bias or from personal experiences that did not go well.
It is utterly logical that girls who cannot afford to turn down anyone in those demographics would flock to Pattaya to finally earn rent money where agreeing to go with and being seen with those customers is more locally accepted. And it is just as logical that girls who can afford to turn them down would for the most part not bother to relocate out of Bangkok in favor of a destination where they are sure to be swamped and surrounded by them day and night. Maybe there are some who must stay in Pattaya for family reasons. But that doesn't mean they are going to far outshine their Pattaya sisters on delivering a True GFE session in a location where they clearly never have to do that to make money.[/QUOTE]Actually there are a lot of BKK gals that work in Pattaya because they don't feel comfortable working in BKK. I have found quite a few gems amongst the fodder on Soi 6 and in the discos.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254273]Better for you? I have no idea. But I find better girls for me almost anywhere in Bangkok, including the places you mentioned. I would add ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid. But those are going to be a bit trickier for someone spending only a couple of days in Bangkok except for the outright blunt "sex for money" freelancers working them. Then again, I have a very sweet and "innocent" non pro 28 year old girl in my bed right now who I met on ThaiFriendly. She said she would never have sex with a man other than her boyfriend, I made it clear I am NOT her boyfriend, and yet we fucked fully True GFE last night, our very first meeting.[/QUOTE]Jajjajajaj you must be a charmer. Ooops I mean 555 or 333 or kwkwkwkw or whatever it is here. Ok I'll try those same places again. Maybe harder for me in Bangkok not speaking Thai.
[QUOTE=LuckyNuts;2254285]Jajjajajaj you must be a charmer. Ooops I mean 555 or 333 or kwkwkwkw or whatever it is here. Ok I'll try those same places again. Maybe harder for me in Bangkok not speaking Thai.[/QUOTE]The key to it perhaps being easier for some of us who live here is not so much "charm", although there is an element of it at play with regard to speaking a minimum of basic Thai and putting some girls more at ease. It is that we (or I) don't give a shit if the girl says no to the way I want things. I just move on to another one. By now I know there is a never ending stream of girls waiting in the bull pen or to be added to the roster. In Pattaya, it isn't hard to find girls who will do what I want the way I want it. I am sure 90% of the girls lined up on Soi 6 would say Yes. And a decent percentage in the go-go bars too. The challenge is to find one I would even want to ask in the first place combined with her saying Yes and actually meaning it back in the room. That is way too much unnecessary work to do after a grueling and boring 2-3 hour trip to Pattaya when that combination for me is abundantly available right here in Bangkok.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254296]The key to it perhaps being easier for some of us who live here is not so much "charm", although there is an element of it at play with regard to speaking a minimum of basic Thai and putting some girls more at ease. It is that we (or I) don't give a shit if the girl says no to the way I want things. I just move on to another one. By now I know there is a never ending stream of girls waiting in the bull pen or to be added to the roster. In Pattaya, it isn't hard to find girls who will do what I want the way I want it. I am sure 90% of the girls lined up on Soi 6 would say Yes. And a decent percentage in the go-go bars too. The challenge is to find one I would even want to ask in the first place combined with her saying Yes and actually meaning it back in the room. That is way too much unnecessary work to do after a grueling and boring 2-3 hour trip to Pattaya when that combination for me is abundantly available right here in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]A Pattaya trip for me is as much about getting out of BKK, breathing "cleaner" air, spending a day on Jomtien beach during the week when there is almost no one there, having some decent farang food, and some good beers at a reasonable price. Getting laid is part of it as well, but there are times I go and don't ever partake.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2253797]Cmon ET, I can't recall where you go to in Pattaya but I'll be in Bangkok in a few days. Tell me where there is a lineup better than Palace agogo and I will be there instantly. Walk in to Palace at 9:30 pm on a weekend night and sit for the 3 rotations. I'll even pay for your drink next time you're in town. [/QUOTE]I should have responded earlier. I would have told you to save your money for a drink because it will be a no show in all probability. You know why? Because I would have told you that our illustrious friend will find a way to explain the true meaning of what he posted, argue over the semantics, logical and lexical and try to appear intelligent.
And that is exactly what has happened, just I thought.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253848]But I wasn't talking about girls based only on their looks. I was talking about girls I have seen and have "experienced".[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254255]I don't know how it can be impossible to find any good ones in Pattaya either and that is why I never said that. I said of the ones I have seen, met, interviewed and been with I would not pay so much as 200 baht to repeat the experience.[/QUOTE]And now add the "holier than thou" angle. Put down the girls and put down other mongers.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254255]IMO, Pattaya is a place where P4P girls who cannot cut it in Bangkok go to see if they can scrounge up work with customers who themselves find it more challenging than others to get girls to go with them in Bangkok. That is the girl-customer Match Made in Pattaya Heaven. I am not talking about the rare few guys who go there to hone their mastery of Pattaya "game" and also do well in Bangkok. But look around at the overwhelming demographics of customers walking along Beach Road, cruising up and down Walking Street, going in and out of the bars there [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2254489]I should have responded earlier. I would have told you to save your money for a drink because it will be a no show in all probability. You know why? Because I would have told you that our illustrious friend will find a way to explain the true meaning of what he posted, argue over the semantics, logical and lexical and try to appear intelligent.
And that is exactly what has happened, just I thought.
And now add the "holier than thou" angle. Put down the girls and put down other mongers.[/QUOTE]You think that pointing out that great "line ups" in terms of looks had little or nothing to do with what I posted is torturing semantics?
Man, you're dense.
I never like posting photos of girls I know but here are some Pattaya bar girls. These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars. I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. Am I correct? I'm very glad these girls can't cut it in BKK and have to come to Pattaya. I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok. Please help me and let me where I can find one.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]I never like posting photos of girls I know but here are some Pattaya bar girls. These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars. I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. Am I correct? I'm very glad these girls can't cut it in BKK and have to come to Pattaya. I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok. Please help me and let me where I can find one, ET.[/QUOTE]In terms of looks, they're fine. But, now, now, BananaBoi, you are not really as intellectually stunted as another poster here to think my objections are based only on looks, right?
In the past couple of years, I took girls who looked very much like your first and second pics from Thermae. Both did bareback with me (oh, AND CIP!), which is what I negotiated in the bar. Paid 2,500 baht. Maybe 3,000 baht for one of them. Can't say I am all that into the looks of the next two. The last one has potential, but those big bolt-ons would probably be very distracting to me and not in a good way. Again, only talking about their looks here, which is probably no more than half of what would interest me in taking a girl. As you of all people must know by now, BananaBoi.
Do all of those girls do bareback with customers who negotiate it with them beforehand for the going rate or a little more than that? How about a BBBJ with a full CIM finish?
So those are just girls you met in bars around town and NOT go-go girls from those highly praised WS go-go bars? Hmm. Ok.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254503]All of those girls do bareback with customers who negotiate it with them beforehand? How about a BBBJ with a full CIM finish?[/QUOTE]I don't do BBFS because I'm not old enough to risk my life for the momentary satisfaction so in that regard BBFS can only be a maybe. I also have a Thai GF who I care enough not to infect. I have NEVER had a single girl in Thailand ever say to me don't cum in my mouth so I can only think CIM is available. I can't finish that way so I can't confirm if they swallow or not.
Thermae used to have girls this hot 2 years ago but you have to admit the talent has gone way down or it's the same girls that I have already gone with. Hottest girl I ever met at Thermae was named Ritar, now 'retired'.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254507]I don't do BBFS because I'm not old enough to risk my life for the momentary satisfaction so in that regard BBFS can only be a maybe. I also have a Thai GF who I care enough not to infect. I have NEVER had a single girl in Thailand ever say to me don't cum in my mouth so I can only think CIM is available. I can't finish that way so I can't confirm if they swallow or not.
[/QUOTE]I hope you realize that Blanquiceleste is bound to come crashing down on you any minute now in his typical motherly fashion for playing "semantics" games, right? LOL. No, just kidding. He won't.
Sorry, but I'm going to have to call that response a "no" to both BBFS+CIP and BBBJ+CIM for those girls, based on your stated experience with them. Or at least an "I don't know". We only know you have done neither with any of them. Again, based solely on your statements above. Unless I misunderstand, regardless whether a Thai girl has ever said "Don't cum in my mouth", your following statement that you can't finish that way tends to eliminate any possibility that they have ever had to prove they are truly ready and willing to actually finish you that way, no?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars[/QUOTE]I have probably never seen any chicks in local bars that look as good as 4 of those chicks. The 2nd one looks pretty basic though. Outside of the gogo bars Pattaya is 98% skanks from what I have seen. Those chicks look way too good even for Soi 6. Even anything top tier in a soapy in Patts is pretty basic in the face. They look like gogo quality girls to me. I would imagine that is the way the Thais would arrange them from a business perspective.
[QUOTE=Franga;2254524]I have probably never seen any chicks in local bars that look as good as 4 of those chicks. The 2nd one looks pretty basic though. Outside of the gogo bars Pattaya is 98% skanks from what I have seen. Those chicks look way too good even for Soi 6. Even anything top tier in a soapy in Patts is pretty basic in the face. They look like gogo quality girls to me. I would imagine that is the way the Thais would arrange them from a business perspective.[/QUOTE]With all due respect it's likely because you don't live here and go hunting high and low on a daily basis. I search every side soi there is to find that hidden gem. These bars are not on the beaten path. A hint - 2 of these girls are from a bar near Hollywood. These girls are from bars I have never heard mentioned (I may have once) on this board so I can only assume none of you know about them. A tourist is here for average 1-3 weeks. I certainly didn't find girls like this outside a gogo bar when I was still a tourist. OK, maybe my Burma Girl who worked at a bar on Soi Lengkee and one who worked out of Candle Bar on Soi 7 or 8 (she is now a gogo girl).
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254503]In the past couple of years, I took girls who looked very much like your first and second pics from Thermae. Both did bareback with me (oh, AND CIP!), which is what I negotiated in the bar. Paid 2,500 baht. Maybe 3,000 baht for one of them. [/QUOTE]
Good work. This goes again the general stereotype on here that Thermae girls are not good providers. I personally really enjoy my Thermae girls. Just wish there were some new ones.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254529]With all due respect it's likely because you don't live here and go hunting high and low on a daily basis. I search every side soi there is to find that hidden gem. These bars are not on the beaten path. A hint - 2 of these girls are from a bar near Hollywood. These girls are from bars I have never heard mentioned (I may have once) on this board so I can only assume none of you know about them. A tourist is here for average 1-3 weeks. I certainly didn't find girls like this outside a gogo bar when I was still a tourist. OK, maybe my Burma Girl who worked at a bar on Soi Lengkee and one who worked out of Candle Bar on Soi 7 or 8 (she is now a gogo girl).
Good work. This goes again the general stereotype on here that Thermae girls are not good providers. I personally really enjoy my Thermae girls. Just wish there were some new ones.[/QUOTE]I was in Thermae last Wednesday. Approached the most attractive chick I have ever seen there. After negotiating price for 4 K ST (yes she was that hot for me) besides it was her first time P4P, she turned me down! I did another round and as I was walking past she called me over and said let's go. As we were heading out there was another hitch. She told me she wanted the cash up front. I said that's not how it is done and she was ready to head back to the bar. So I agreed half up front and half layer.
As to the action it was all covered but she was horny as hell. Subsequently I met her outside Thermae another couple of times.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254500]You think that pointing out that great "line ups" in terms of looks had little or nothing to do with what I posted is torturing semantics?
Man, you're dense.[/QUOTE]Yeah. I am dense.
Someone else care to explain the first sentence?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]I never like posting photos of girls I know but here are some Pattaya bar girls. These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars. I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. Am I correct? I'm very glad these girls can't cut it in BKK and have to come to Pattaya. I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok. Please help me and let me where I can find one.[/QUOTE]Way better looking than anything you will find in the BKK bars for sure. They are all amazing looking.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254529]Good work. This goes again the general stereotype on here that Thermae girls are not good providers. I personally really enjoy my Thermae girls. Just wish there were some new ones.[/QUOTE]There was a time up until about three years ago I would have been among those saying Thermae girls "only like Japanese customers" or were not good providers. Then, after returning there and giving it the old college try a few more times, I noticed and might have been one of the first to report here that things have changed in Thermae and that the "Japanese only" thing was officially over. After mine, other posters began to investigate and post similar reports.
I would say girls in any venue can and will be good providers as long as the punter negotiates well for it and stands by his decision to get what he wants and not accept too much less.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]I never like posting photos of girls I know but here are some Pattaya bar girls. These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars. I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. Am I correct? I'm very glad these girls can't cut it in BKK and have to come to Pattaya. I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok. Please help me and let me where I can find one.[/QUOTE]I know you regularly visit the gogos a lot but I didn't realize you worked the town looking for gold nuggets everywhere. Props to you and if I lived there I would do the same thing. As to the quality of girls in your recent pics, they are excellent. The 2nd and last pic are especially appealing to me. Much respect to you.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254702]I would say girls in any venue can and will be good providers as long as the punter negotiates well for it and stands by his decision to get what he wants and not accept too much less.[/QUOTE]Agreed, unfortunately the latter part of your post is what most dudes don't stick to. They let the provider get away with far less than agreed upon. Us "residents" are far more likely to stand our ground.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2254668]Yeah. I am dense.
Someone else care to explain the first sentence?[/QUOTE]Yes, I am afraid so. You see, to "torture semantics" is just another way of saying what you accused me of in the related post:
Torture:
Inflict severe pain on.
"most of the victims had been brutally tortured".
Synonyms: inflict pain on, [B]ill-treat, abuse, mistreat, maltreat[/B], persecute.
"they have tortured suspects in order to extract confessions".
Semantics:
[B]the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text.[/B]
Plural noun: semantics.
"such quibbling over semantics may seem petty stuff".
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2254755]Agreed, unfortunately the latter part of your post is what most dudes don't stick to. They let the provider get away with far less than agreed upon. Us "residents" are far more likely to stand our ground.[/QUOTE]What surprises me is how many guys don't even think a chat/negotiation about "For What?" ought to go hand-in-hand with virtually every quote from a girl re "How Much". And then they complain that they got this act covered, that didn't happen, she never did this and that. They thought they won the "negotiation" by talking the girl down from 2500 to 2000 without considering how godawful the girl can make it if you have not connected the "For What?" to the "How Much" part.
I would feel I won the negotiation if she agreed to 2500 UP from 2000 after she agreed to a True GFE, no tricks and no pay if it doesn't actually happen that way for me. Guys, that can actually be negotiated and agreed to if that kind of result is important to you. And then you are on the road to near certain Heaven your way from the moment you take that first step toward your hotel room and not need to have another conversation or confrontation about it again. Kudos to you if you also can bring down her asking price. But, seriously, are you going to walk away from that kind of low, low, low risk deal for 500 baht?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254763]What surprises me is how many guys don't even think a chat/negotiation about "For What?" ought to go hand-in-hand with virtually every quote from a girl re "How Much".[/QUOTE]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.
You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?
One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.
I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254798]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.
You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?
One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.
I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.[/QUOTE]I agree 100%. There is no way to effectively predict performance in advance.
My most successful experiences in USA, Mexico, and Thailand have been when I could feel that the girl liked me and wanted to go with me more than some other punter. The girl needs to look good enough, but there is no point in working on the hottest girl around if she seems more interest in chatting with her friends or if she is going from man to man looking for anyone to bar fine her.
My lifetime best professional sex was with an average looking Butterflies gogo girl, but she clearly picked me from the crowd to work on.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254798]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.
You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?
One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.
I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.[/QUOTE]I agree with you, spontaneous is preferred; it's a shame that we have to resort to negotiations these days. On the occasions I do negotiate, I ask them if they have seen a "sex movie," then I tell them that is want, or I might tell them I want them to be like they are with a boyfriend they really like.
Sadly, I think the expectations of so many dudes is so low that the performance bar has been lowered to ridiculous standards.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254760]Yes, I am afraid so. You see, to "torture semantics" is just another way of saying what you accused me of in the related post:
Torture:
Inflict severe pain on.
"most of the victims had been brutally tortured".
Synonyms: inflict pain on, [B]ill-treat, abuse, mistreat, maltreat[/B], persecute.
"they have tortured suspects in order to extract confessions".
Semantics:
[B]the meaning of a word, phrase, sentence, or text.[/B]
Plural noun: semantics.
"such quibbling over semantics may seem petty stuff".[/QUOTE]Thank you.
This man (now I am not sure) is a scream! Someone give this guy here a medal. Pure entertainment.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2254913]Thank you.
This man (now I am not sure) is a scream! Someone give this guy here a medal. Pure entertainment.[/QUOTE]That's nothing. I'm still laughing about some fool who paid 2.5 million rupiah for a BATS girl in Jakarta.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2254798]The problem is that "for what" promises mean very little, it all depends on the execution. If the girl has a bad attitude, she can perform a token act, but in a way that doesn't please the customer much, if at all.
You can't meaningfully agree on a "True GFE", given that even most of mongers would not fully agree what it means. You can agree on the BBBJ, but it could end up being brief and poorly done. You can agree on DFK, and it might end up being minimal, forced and with a frown. You can agree on CIM, but if she does fine otherwise and pulls out, are you really not going to pay her?
One non-standard service that you can meaningfully agree on is anal. No way for a girl to do that without having a dick well inside her ass. Another one is BBFS, though it's madness with a working girl, especially one who readily agrees to it. Unfortunately, these days BBBJ needs to be added to the list, though it used to be 100% standard and expected just a few years ago. Almost anything else you can try to specify, but if a girl wants to avoid it or do a minimal job, there's no way to hold her to it.
I prefer my sessions to be spontaneous and friendly, rather than just checking items from a checklist, while the girl tries to resist you on each item.[/QUOTE]I largely agree, too. But when I referred to a "True GFE", I was mostly using that as a euphemism for what matters to me; BBFS+CIP. And, as you said, that is a non-standard service that you can meaningfully negotiate. Sure, the girl can go as stiff as a statue in the room and make it nearly impossible to accomplish. But, thankfully, that is very rare.
However, that also brings in the other part of the negotiation I have on occasion put into it. Sadly, these days it is sometimes necessary for me to add the "or I will not give you any money. You ok?" to the discussion. Mind you, I only add that part when I am hot enough for the girl but have that nagging feeling she is also a trickster. On the one hand, it eliminates some girls who cannot accept that proviso that I am very happy to be eliminated. And on the other hand, I have quite often had that girl who seems a bit too full of herself and capable of being a trickster agree and the rest of the night goes far better than I ever thought it would.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2255168] for what matters to me; BBFS+CIP.[/QUOTE]You really should consider Phnom Penh. Most bar girls there jump on you BBFS whether you want it or not. I don't think khmer girls know what condoms are. Oddly, they think a BJ is disgusting.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2255181]You really should consider Phnom Penh. Most bar girls there jump on you BBFS whether you want it or not. I don't think khmer girls know what condoms are. Oddly, they think a BJ is disgusting.[/QUOTE]Or pretty much anywhere in PI.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]If you agree to pay the girl, you pay her. Yes, she is naive. She should have seen the money every few days.
It is not blackmail on the girls part, she is just ensuring he meets the verbal contract he agreed to. He is reprehensible for doing this, and deserves it.
[QUOTE=PonkeyMaw;2250427]Hey guys,
I've been on this forum for a really long time and had my first trip to Pattaya I fucked up. I thought I knew what I was doing but it turned out I probably had the worse series of events happen to me. [/QUOTE]Are you sure the fucked up part didn't began from the moment you try to make a play on the Monkeypaw branded name? Monkeypaw is loved in the spirit world, and the good spirits don't fancy those that try to play him out. But lesson learned right? Now let's dive right into Monkeypaw's final report on my two weeks in Pattaya, shall we?
Part 1.
For those who have been long awaiting a Monkeypaw style report, Christmas has come early this year and Santa having ho ho hoed for the last two weeks or so, has granted your wish to cure you of this thing called boredom. And "no," I don't want nor do I need anybody to sit on my lap, not even the hottest Go Go bars girls, because then it means that they are something special to me and therefore can tie me down. I'm a Playboy, by nature (so basically I monger to save from breaking the normal girls' hearts and not really a monger), so nobody on this planet is that particular to me to get that privilege. Definitely, not a bunch fuddy duddies behind a keyboard, who may actually enjoy that kind of experience. So anyways, I just finished up two weeks in heaven, two weeks in hell, whatever you want to call it. The same conclusion still holds true as it did before. Pattaya is still #1 for Monkeypaw and Monkeypaw is still #1 for Pattaya. But, finally, I have some time with this little break from Thailand, due to flying back 31 hours to the States to take my Earth mom to the airport in Houston. Yep, that's the Monkeypaw thing to do because it shows you have true freedom from all evil and from this world. Monkeypaw is free from the influences of money, people, sex, pleasure, sleep, food, or even Father time. I do the things I do and when I do it, due to a higher calling, a higher power always guiding me. (can't' believe I just said do-do-do-due all in one sentence) But anyways again, it means when I feel the need to fulfill an oath, and not disappoint, you better hold on to your horses because only God can stop me then. Still on the topic of airport, my arrival at BKK around 6 am went more smooth than previous visits. The immigration officer, who was a lady, looked at my passport and said "Mister, you already have 10 tourist stamps this year. " To which I replied, "Yes, for a total of 299 days for holiday in Thailand this year, I know" with a grin. She then, of course, asked "Why you come so many many to Thailand and why you cannot get visa?" I was thinking very hard to what to say. Let's see, previously the excuses told were as follow.
1. I've already told them that my family sponsored two orphaned baby elephants in Thailand.
2. My family donated millions of bahts to Thai charities for abandoned children.
3. That I enjoy the sexual freedom and the girls at the Go Go bars that can only be found in Pattaya and Bangkok.
4. The last one I used was that I was married in Bangkok before, so I often travel here in order to reminisce the wedding to my departed wife.
So what should Monkeypaw say this time? Heck, after a few seconds of eerie silence, I just told her the truth. "I don't work. I don't go to school. Look at all these tattoos over my body. Who is going to hire me for a job?" (Honestly, I wanted to tell her, one of my nicknames is anh-Thai, so I'm thinking my daddy made Thailand as a place for me to find myself and play in) Then, I told her to look at some of those 30 day visa exempt stamps this year. 6 of those 10 stamps can be distinguished as coming from supervising immigration officers who have pulled me to the side, interviewed me, made a phone call or two, and then let me pass right along with their special stamp and a smile. I did however, left out the part that I heard the same words over and over again from them, "Please don't get in any more trouble with the police. " The lady immigration officer just sat there smiling, listening, and flipping through all the pages of my passport. As I spoke. She then finally said to me, "I think you come Thailand many. You sure you no have girlfriend here?" and then still stamped my passport for the 11th time this year. Monkeypaw just smiled back, took my passport, and said to her, "I do have girlfriend here. Her name Thailand. " Yep, immigration is entertaining as always, but this time it only took a few minutes and I was on my way.
For this trip, I decided to use the bus to shuttle to hotel service from BKK to Pattaya offered by Bell Travel. It was only 280 baht and offered a reclining seat so I can nap on the two hour ride. Could have paid 1000 baht for a private car, but those seats don't recline, plus I needed time to freshen up and eat after my long flight. Folks may wonder, MP, you aren't hurting for cash, why go cheap? Go reread the previous two sentences before this one and you will understand. To get to my level, you aren't stupid, logic m mind always rules. There is a reason and rationale for everything I do. It's all a part of a bigger plan that 99.9% of folks couldn't even begin to fathom and understand. Did I lose you yet? Even on ISG, all you have to do is look closely at my earliest posts, the attention it garnered, and follow me up until today. You then might be able to catch on that "the tortoise is about to whip ass on the hare. " Monkeypaw is that cold. By the way, while I was waiting on the bus and eating at the food court, I was approached by a very unattractive girl. She said to me "You don't remember me?" I frowned, shook my head, realizing she had no make up on and hoped it wasn't one the girls I took before in Bangkok. BB, can you guess who it was? Hint: meow meow (yeah don't want to see that without her liquid face with painted colors).
Now it's story time. Can I get a clap, your hands everybody. And everybody clap your hands? (By the way, does anyone know where that line came from?) It was famous movie 1980's movie that should have taught folks, brains over brawn, and having smarts can get you all the hot pussy in life. Here's a clip [URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mRG2oAQhso[/URL] By the way, notice the "Blue M" at the beginning of the video. Might be important later on a pop quiz. Let's try to keep up and see how many underlying meanings you can get out of this report. There are so so many Blues Clues.
"Over 30 years ago, when I was but a tiny baby, I was crawling half naked onto a busy street in Bangkok. (This is when I would pretend to crawl with my hands and show a few baby pictures of me. The look on the faces of those who view these pictures were always were in awe at how cute the tiny version of Monkeypaw was a baby.) Then before I was about to get ran over and splatted on the road by a speeding tuk tuk, this tall farang tourist from America, from out of nowhere, ran towards me and scooped me away from the imminent danger. The curious and caring tall farang, then went searching for my parents only to find my two dirty brothers eating garbage and spoiled som tum out of a trash dumpster. My brothers didn't like to sharing with me, so that's why I had crawled away, alone, all by myself, (this is when I made a pouty face and kissy lip) in search of something to eat. I (would then rub my belly in front to say I was hungry.) To make a long story short, the then young, tall farang realized that we three were abandoned and orphaned, and adopted all of us, and sent us to different parts of the world to live a better life. Now we are all in Pattaya enjoying the end of the world as we know it."
The girls at the club would ask, who are your brothers? I would point to Phazze93 (staring back at me a little lost) and to Lew Ashby (too busy trying to grab titties). And this is our dad, pointing to FL Hawk, who was sitting there minding his own business sipping on a Diet Coke. When asked, the guys played along graciously with this story. Even FL Hawk told them, "Look at us now, I have definitely failed as a father. " The girls would smile, laugh, and roll their eyes at me all at once. But heck, it only takes one sucker out of the bunch to believe that story and give MP the experience of a lifetime, or not. Actually, all it was, is a subliminal call out that can be heard loud and clear to the hottest girls in that bunch or any bunch. They know, "this guy here obviously has alot of game and he is the one I want to play with, win lose, or draw. " This is the story we stuck with from bar to bar on this trip, when the girls we were drinking with at the Go Go bars asked how do we knew each other? It was always the Paw, also known under many nicknames as MP, Monkeypaw, Monkey, anh-Thai, Doc, Ducky, Mouse, Ut Deus, and perhaps one more name that some of you may already know, meeting up with good ole dad, FL Hawk, and my two bros Phazze93 and Lew Ashby, with visits from our long lost cousin Banana Boi, and even a guest appearance from time to time by Dart13, our Russian bodyguard. We were an odd looking bunch strolling on Walking Street, but things were always kept interesting, especially at Palace.
So since we are on the topic of games and hustle. For those who are scared to death to step into a top club like Palace because you fear these girls, there's not much to be said. The fear is real, the best and hottest girls will take your lunch, eat it, and share with their friends while watching you starve to slow and painful death. It's probably better that you just sit behind the computer and play "keyboard cowboy" and make up as many (as Bruce likes to say) yippee ki-yay excuses as you can not to venture into places like this. If money is the issue, then say money is the issue. But don't for an instant, think that these girls aren't top notch at their game, not hot enough, or not smarter than those of you that aren't even brave enough to play with them. So silly tricks like carrying a photoshopped doctor's note saying you don't have a disease in order to get BBFS will get you laughed by all the girls at Palace, which means ran out of Walking Street. But heck, if you got big balls that hang low enough, you can still try it. Just make sure you tuck those low hangers in to hide me. Also let me know when. And if it works, Monkeypaw will be the first one to download Adobe Acrobat software. Until then, some of us, will however, take a moment in silence, to listen to any other concerns and woes, you may have for not showing up. Moment over.
Also, I'll let Phazze93, FL Hawk, and Lew Ashby give details to what happened when they try to play with the top end trophy girls. At least I will give them a chance to speak out first to tell their side of the story. But hopefully, doing this in person with the Paw, one can really appreciate how in the fuck do I run all this game on the girls and get away with it. I'm that good. And I've been told by so many people even outside P4 P and all aspects of life as well. I once had this white girl in college turned herself into a stripper to paid for my apartment, food, and bills, while I was lazy doing nothing. My dad said, why you let this poor girl do this with all that you have. Devil made me do it dad was my only excuse. (But it was really me testing my game at an early age) Anyways back to my new found friends. These guys came with a shit load of money in their pockets, that made Monkeypaw's wallet seemed slim and my own budget of 8,000 baht a night seemed small. But of course, I'm not a weekend warrior or sex tourist on a holiday. I do this shit almost every fucking day and the 8,000 baht a day budget is just my daily fee for entertainment and almost like gym membership which gives me access to 2 hours of cardio with a sexy girl each night. One of us had so much money that "somebody" dropped a stack of it and was called back by a door girl to pick it up. Wonder, if you weren't with MP, you think they would have been called to back? Do you think we would have gotten all that prime seating with the excellent views in the middle of the bars? Only God knows right? All I can say, is I'm glad everybody who I met had a good and entertaining time. Yes, FL Hawk, the cool wet napkins is for customers they deem important. And that was you that night. Sorry, about the confusion there. By the way, I use those to wipe my shoes clean.
Now moving on to more important things. Monkeypaw always comes prepared to play games back with everybody who wants to play with him. And by everybody, I mean everybody. Be honest, yes even you, Lew, FL, Phazze, and BB. Do you guys ever get this feeling that Monkeypaw is fucking with all of us, just like he is fucking around with all the girls? Hahaha, you'll never know. But it's fun though, right? And like I told you all before, I bring LIFE to everything and everybody around me. It's entertainment from this world that we live in. And one day soon, you will really know what this world is and you will appreciate our time together. This time, on the menu for our fun and entertainment at the Go Go clubs were the following.
1. Cockroaches being thrown into the lady drinks. Yeah, MP and the rest of the guys really doesn't give a fuck.
2. Scorpions and centipedes being thrown on stages full of dancing and then screaming girls.
3. Go Go dancers, waitresses, mamasans, security, and random customers (whom we don't even know) getting electrocuted and shocked by lighters and laser pointers.
4. Girls hair getting pulled to make sure it's real and not fake extensions.
5. Dancers getting stung and popped in the ass with 20 baht missiles being launched by our hand made rubber band sling shots. FL for being in his 60's was popping them in their asses the hardest that it left red marks.
6. Miniature vibrators attacking the girls in the clubs, along with some wandering hands.
7. Buzzing cock rings handed to a few waitresses a souvenirs from Monkeypaw. That's is as close to an orgasm that these waitresses will get from me.
8. And to Lew, Monkeypaw two paws up for you. You've got some balls for riding fat bull like that. We were just joking. See how this Monkeypaw thing works?
9. And there was also some dancing on the stage when it was full of girls going on at Palace (I shall keep it anonymous, but not me).
10. And lastly, for the lucky girls that get chosen to go with me, the sex toys in my room and snake in the shower awaited you after all the above has been witnessed. But yet they still go, why? Because I am Monkeypaw and I do this shit for a living.
And I will ask you all this. You all had a feeling that all the other customers hated the attention we got, plus some of the girls were annoyed, right? But the whole time, you always felt safe with Monkeypaw and it was going to be just fine. The girls you chose still came when we called them and nobody was going to give us any trouble or kick us out, right? That's what is called respect , knowing that you are in the company of presence of something so much bigger than you, or what Monkeypaw likes to call a bigger spirit. You can look it as MP raises hell or brings LIFE to everywhere I go. Whatever you want to call it, you will NEVER call it boredom. In case you are unsure, ask FL Hawk, somebody who is twice his 3 adopted sons' age, who is typically reserved as a corpse, coming out of his shell to thoroughly enjoy himself with us, and living it up Monkeypaw style. I keep telling folks that Monkeypaw has the ability and power to get people to come out of their cocoon, become brave, and do some things that they are not accustomed to. But have peace of mind in knowing, that perhaps you aren't the only one, and even Monkeypaw has done more embarrassing things as well. Not many people have stripped down to their boxer shorts in front of Citibank at Asoke junction in hopes of transforming in an angel and flying away. Perhaps, a story for another night, or perhaps not.
To be continued.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2255168]I largely agree, too. But when I referred to a "True GFE", I was mostly using that as a euphemism for what matters to me; BBFS+CIP. [/QUOTE]If that is the case then 90% of the hookers that I meet in Thailand and P. I. are true GFE.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256780]If that is the case then 90% of the hookers that I meet in Thailand and P. I. are true GFE.[/QUOTE]That was certainly my experience in the P. I., too. But not in Thailand. If 90% of the hookers I have met (and wanted to have sex with) in Thailand offered or accepted BBFS+CIP, that would mean BBFS+CIP was as standard in Thailand's P4P scene as it is in the P. I., which I never found to be the case for me. I could never rely on 90% of the Thai P4P girls I want to have sex with agreeing to BBFS+CIP. Certainly not for the going rate at a given venue or slightly above the going rate.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]I never like posting photos of girls I know but here are some Pattaya bar girls. These are not even gogo girls but rather just from local Pattaya area bars. I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. Am I correct? I'm very glad these girls can't cut it in BKK and have to come to Pattaya. I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok. Please help me and let me where I can find one.[/QUOTE]All well above average and all with the semi westernised look I think. Yes girls prettier than A1 do exist, although hard to find I guess, try Billboard. I can't name a specific one that is still to be found. 2 or 3 Crazy House girls long gone were that pretty to my taste at least (maybe less westernised). You have seen pic of Donut my favourite in the past. I actually slightly prefer A4, I think with a very natural look, and definitely don't go for the "Morticia Adams" white sharp face and with exaggerated eyes. I would not give a second glance to A3 either. Just not the style I like.
Yes I agree, not easy to do better in Bangkok bars and especially not in MPs.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256790]That was certainly my experience in the P. I., too. But not in Thailand. If 90% of the hookers I have met (and wanted to have sex with) in Thailand offered or accepted BBFS+CIP, that would mean BBFS+CIP was as standard in Thailand's P4P scene as it is in the P. I., which I never found to be the case for me. I could never rely on 90% of the Thai P4P girls I want to have sex with agreeing to BBFS+CIP. Certainly not for the going rate at a given venue or slightly above the going rate.[/QUOTE]Well there is the difference. You are going on the offering accepting agreeing principle which ruins the mood. You are making it transactional. I just say lets go fuck and see what leads to what.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2256824]Well there is the difference. You are going on the offering accepting agreeing principle which ruins the mood. You are making it transactional. I just say lets go fuck and see what leads to what.[/QUOTE]If I were fine with choosing primarily random girls on the street, I wouldn't care about what leads to what either. I would also just say let's go fuck. And then if at crunch time in the room the girl refuses to fuck me bareback or give me a proper blowjob, I could just say, "No problem. Nice chatting with you. Bye."
However, if I am more into girls for whom buying a Lady Drink, paying a barfine and assuming to pay at least some basic amount of fee to her, I see little reason to pay all that upfront just to see what happens. Particularly since if at least one of those two above things doesn't happen, I won't be engaging in sex to completion. Besides, it is so easy to get "what happens" cleared up prior to spending much of anything. And with dating site girls there is almost no reason not to cover everything from shaved pussy to BBFS+CIP to BBBJ+CIM (and often Swallow) before I spend so much as a baht.
Meanwhile, I don't "need" to have 90% of the Thai girls I meet agree to BBFS+CIP with me and still have a life filled with so many cute young girls of my taste willing to do that with me I could fill a month with a different one every day and not repeat one. Then there would likely be all new ones on the roster by the end of that month. My rate of success on that count seems to be high enough without reaching 90% of every Thai girl I meet to make it very, very easy to walk away from a girl who does not respond well to my so-called transactional approach and find another one who will.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2256797] Yes girls prettier than A1 do exist
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I actually slightly prefer A4, [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]
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I personally have yet to meet a girl as pretty as A1 in Bangkok.[/QUOTE]I like A1 and A4 too but they look very much alike. Aren't they one and the same?
And I like A5 as well. A2 and A3 don't do it for me.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2256848]If I were fine with choosing primarily random girls on the street, I wouldn't care about what leads to what either. I would also just say let's go fuck. And then if at crunch time in the room the girl refuses to fuck me bareback or give me a proper blowjob, I could just say, "No problem. Nice chatting with you. Bye."
However, if I am more into girls for whom buying a Lady Drink, paying a barfine and assuming to pay at least some basic amount of fee to her, I see little reason to pay all that upfront just to see what happens. Particularly since if at least one of those two above things doesn't happen, I won't be engaging in sex to completion. Besides, it is so easy to get "what happens" cleared up prior to spending much of anything. And with dating site girls there is almost no reason not to cover everything from shaved pussy to BBFS+CIP to BBBJ+CIM (and often Swallow) before I spend so much as a baht.
Meanwhile, I don't "need" to have 90% of the Thai girls I meet agree to BBFS+CIP with me and still have a life filled with so many cute young girls of my taste willing to do that with me I could fill a month with a different one every day and not repeat one. Then there would likely be all new ones on the roster by the end of that month. My rate of success on that count seems to be high enough without reaching 90% of every Thai girl I meet to make it very, very easy to walk away from a girl who does not respond well to my so-called transactional approach and find another one who will.[/QUOTE]I am more of the 'get in the room and see if she goes for BBFS' type of guy. I am curious though how you go about asking? Do you buy the lady drink first or do you wait until she says she will do BBFS' before buying her a drink? Or do you try to charm her first and then bring it up?
Mr. Paw, you owe me a bottle of screen cleaner.
You can make it up to me by reccomending a girl who will accept 100 baht a minute haha.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2254501]I'm pretty sure most guys would consider paying 1000 baht for them. [/QUOTE]Those were 1000 baht girls?
[QUOTE=Breadman;2256964]I am more of the 'get in the room and see if she goes for BBFS' type of guy. I am curious though how you go about asking? Do you buy the lady drink first or do you wait until she says she will do BBFS' before buying her a drink? Or do you try to charm her first and then bring it up?[/QUOTE]I use a different approach under different circumstances. The girl usually doesn't bring it up directly but gives me an opener to broach the subject if she says something most guys hear and don't recognize as an opportunity to broach the subject; I ask what will we do in the room? She says "Everything!" We've all heard that a thousand times, right? I say oh really? Let's find out if that is true or not. In my case I cannot wear a condom, but I got a vasectomy many years ago and I am very safe (can show a recent medical document if she wants to see it, which she rarely does). You ok to boom boom with me no condom?
A more likely scenario is I ask if she will do something special for me if I barfine her; which is give me a blowjob with a cum inside mouth finish. Will you do that for me? If she says yes, then I am usually fine with taking her to my room to "see what happens" with no discussion in the bar about BBFS. I now have a commitment from her to give me a BBBJ+CIM (yes, yes, I know that commitment can be broken, too). But I might have asked that question for only one reason and it isn't because I actually WANT her to give me a BBBJ+CIM. It is merely used to establish a floor, the bottom line default sexual act below which I would not accept an agreement to take a girl. By the time we get into the room and while we are there, the whole subject of why I want a BBBJ+CIM instead of boom-boom (with condom) might have been broached and cleared up yes or no. Or, more likely, I will become, like you, a "get in the room and see if she goes for BBFS" kind of guy. Many times we have never gotten around to me finishing with BBBJ+CIM and instead move right into BBFS+CIP. But if it turns out she is NOT going to allow a BBFS+CIP, then I will just have to muddle through somehow with her giving me that full and complete BBBJ+CIM instead. And that is a gamble I am fine with taking. LOL.
Other times I have been in go-go bars with so-called "Special" girls whose barfine is higher than the other girls, girls that frankly would believably rank as any "top girl" I have ever seen walking the streets or entering the best bars in any Thai red light district, and asked them (over a Lady Drink) why are they considered so "special"? Whatever answer they give, I feel totally justified in then asking them the "uncool" question if by "special" that means they are ok to go bareback with me (boom boom no condom)? A higher percentage of those higher priced barfine girls than most guys would predict will in fact give you an undisturbed and straight up "Yes, if you want" reply. That might also include paying her 500 baht more than the going rate to go along with the higher barfine, BTW. I am talking about a 1,500 baht barfine vs a 700 baht barfine.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2256979]Those were 1000 baht girls?[/QUOTE]No. My posting of the photos was in response to ET saying he wouldn't pay 1000 baht for any girl in pattaya. IIRC he has since responded that since I can't confirm BBFS or BBBJ CIM with these girls they are still not worth 1000 baht to him.
Even if I did know the answer I certainly would not be posting that information on a public board. That information is for people I meet and trust.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257061] he wouldn't pay 1000 baht for any girl in pattaya.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't go that far, but I definitely do not like Pattaya and much prefer Bangkok. Same with Indonesia. I much prefer Jakarta over Bali.
Hi Guys.
I see a lot talk every now and then about having game when it comes to pulling hookers in Ago go's, Beer Bar's and other establishments in Pattaya! My idea with hookers is that all the game you need is money. I have a pal in Pattaya at the moment who has pulled a Hooters girl, now that is having game. My idea of game is getting laid for free by quality girls. My next trip is in February and I will be in Pattaya for 8 days and I am setting myself a target of 5 non hookers of any description, so that will exclude any payment other dinner, drinks and / or movie. I am in my late 50's not handsome, not fashionably dressed and over weight so if I pull this off I truly must have game. My target age group will be 20 to 30's but I will take on older ladies who are in good condition.
Now I know I am going to get shouted down by some members and lectured by others about the true meaning of game in their eyes but those of us who don't have heads in dark places will appreciate my post. I acknowledge that you guys who live there get free girls all the time and so you should.
I would love to hear other members idea regarding this subject as my friends and myself do chuckle when we read about having game when paying girls for sex.
Rob.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257170]Hi Guys.
I see a lot talk every now and then about having game when it comes to pulling hookers in Ago go's, Beer Bar's and other establishments in Pattaya! My idea with hookers is that all the game you need is money. I have a pal in Pattaya at the moment who has pulled a Hooters girl, now that is having game. My idea of game is getting laid for free by quality girls. My next trip is in February and I will be in Pattaya for 8 days and I am setting myself a target of 5 non hookers of any description, so that will exclude any payment other dinner, drinks and / or movie. I am in my late 50's not handsome, not fashionably dressed and over weight so if I pull this off I truly must have game. My target age group will be 20 to 30's but I will take on older ladies who are in good condition.
Now I know I am going to get shouted down by some members and lectured by others about the true meaning of game in their eyes but those of us who don't have heads in dark places will appreciate my post. I acknowledge that you guys who live there get free girls all the time and so you should.
I would love to hear other members idea regarding this subject as my friends and myself do chuckle when we read about having game when paying girls for sex.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Bravo Rob. You are right on the money with this. However with members like MP, game is pulling the most in demand go go girls and yes he is paying them. In my opinion, game is getting free pussy without paying the girl but have you ever thought about another aspect of this so called "game"?
What about pulling a hot working girl, paying her but getting exactly what you want from her. For example, one punter bar fines a hot girl, pays the premium price and gets a starfish. Another punter pulls the same girl but gets a true GFE in the sense of BBFS, CIP, CIM, and maybe pays a lower price. This in my opinion is also "game".
Anyways, at the end of the day, I could give a rats ass about Game. My goal is to fuck hot girls and get them to do what I want and have a blast doing it. Life is short so we must live everyday to the fullest!
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257170]My idea of game is getting laid for free by quality girls. I am in my late 50's not handsome, not fashionably dressed and over weight so if I pull this off I truly must have game.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Thousands of guys get free rides every day in Pattaya. We call them tuk tuk drivers. Nice work if you can get it.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2257180]Bravo Rob. You are right on the money with this. However with members like MP, game is pulling the most in demand go go girls and yes he is paying them. In my opinion, game is getting free pussy without paying the girl but have you ever thought about another aspect of this so called "game"?
What about pulling a hot working girl, paying her but getting exactly what you want from her. For example, one punter bar fines a hot girl, pays the premium price and gets a starfish. Another punter pulls the same girl but gets a true GFE in the sense of BBFS, CIP, CIM, and maybe pays a lower price. This in my opinion is also "game".
Anyways, at the end of the day, I could give a rats ass about Game. My goal is to fuck hot girls and get them to do what I want and have a blast doing it. Life is short so we must live everyday to the fullest![/QUOTE]Hi Dog.
I have had only one bad experience in my limited time in Thailand and that was with a young street walker outside of Nana Hotel on a Thursday mid afternoon! Sent her packing with half of the 1000 agreed upon, I don't I even got my dick wet. I have had some great encounters and I put it down to showing a bit of respect to the girls and it is surprising what they will do for you.
All the best.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2257061]No. My posting of the photos was in response to ET saying he wouldn't pay 1000 baht for any girl in pattaya. IIRC he has since responded that since I can't confirm BBFS or BBBJ CIM with these girls they are still not worth 1000 baht to him.
Even if I did know the answer I certainly would not be posting that information on a public board. That information is for people I meet and trust.[/QUOTE]Before that takes on a life of its own, which they tend to do here, I would like to point out that what you were responding to by posting those pics was not really that I "wouldn't pay 1000 baht for any girl in pattaya":
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253773]-snip-
Personally, I can't think of a girl I've seen or been with in Pattaya that I'd pay as much as 1,000 baht for a ST. But that is another story.
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[/QUOTE]Then another post:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2253848]-snip-
I am sure some go-go bars in Pattaya have a handful of overpriced lookers. But I wasn't talking about girls based only on their looks. I was talking about girls I have seen and have "experienced". I have seen, interviewed and taken many girls in Pattaya. But for the past 5-6 years and maybe 9-10 visits, there is not one I would pay as much as 1,000, scratch that, 200 baht to meet or "experience" again.[/QUOTE]And with regard to my question about whether they were up for certain sexual acts:
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2254503]-snip-
Do all of those girls do bareback with customers who negotiate it with them beforehand for the going rate or a little more than that? How about a BBBJ with a full CIM finish?
-snip-[/QUOTE]Surely, you would not feel too uncomfortable about posting info about their availability for the BBBJ+CIM part of my question especially if, for instance, the girls you post pics of and clearly identify worked in a bar somewhat known for specializing in BJs or girls who work in MPs where BBBJ+CIM is somewhat the norm. And, as far as anyone knew at the time, some or all of those girls might have been working in such a venue. We still don't know.
However, BananaBoi, I am with you in not being comfortable about posting specifics about girls with whom I have engaged in BBFS+CIP and solely as related to that particular activity. But mostly in Thailand because there is still a stigma for girls to be known for offering it in Thailand. On the other hand, I assume you would not hesitate to post pics and specifics about girls you were with in Phnom Penh even after you stated that those girls will jump on you without a mention of the word condom, right? Maybe you would feel the same way regarding The Philippines.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257170]Hi Guys.
I see a lot talk every now and then about having game when it comes to pulling hookers in Ago go's, Beer Bar's and other establishments in Pattaya! My idea with hookers is that all the game you need is money. I have a pal in Pattaya at the moment who has pulled a Hooters girl, now that is having game. My idea of game is getting laid for free by quality girls. My next trip is in February and I will be in Pattaya for 8 days and I am setting myself a target of 5 non hookers of any description, so that will exclude any payment other dinner, drinks and / or movie. I am in my late 50's not handsome, not fashionably dressed and over weight so if I pull this off I truly must have game. My target age group will be 20 to 30's but I will take on older ladies who are in good condition.
Now I know I am going to get shouted down by some members and lectured by others about the true meaning of game in their eyes but those of us who don't have heads in dark places will appreciate my post. I acknowledge that you guys who live there get free girls all the time and so you should.
I would love to hear other members idea regarding this subject as my friends and myself do chuckle when we read about having game when paying girls for sex.
Rob.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2257180]Bravo Rob. You are right on the money with this. However with members like MP, game is pulling the most in demand go go girls and yes he is paying them. In my opinion, game is getting free pussy without paying the girl but have you ever thought about another aspect of this so called "game"?
What about pulling a hot working girl, paying her but getting exactly what you want from her. For example, one punter bar fines a hot girl, pays the premium price and gets a starfish. Another punter pulls the same girl but gets a true GFE in the sense of BBFS, CIP, CIM, and maybe pays a lower price. This in my opinion is also "game".
Anyways, at the end of the day, I could give a rats ass about Game. My goal is to fuck hot girls and get them to do what I want and have a blast doing it. Life is short so we must live everyday to the fullest![/QUOTE]Rob and Bkkdog, you guys just cited pretty much what I try to spend my time, money and precious ejaculate on in this hobby.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257170]I am setting myself a target of 5 non hookers of any description, so that will exclude any payment other dinner, drinks and / or movie. I am in my late 50's not handsome, not fashionably dressed and over weight so if I pull this off I truly must have game. My target age group will be 20 to 30's but I will take on older ladies who are in good condition.[/QUOTE]I know it is good to have goals, but in this case you are setting yourself up for failure. Fucking with women is already like herding cats. Getting chicks is part game and part luck. You really don't just set out to do it as you have said you will do. You just fall into situations that lead you to that. It is best to start off with no expections, read the signals, and swing accordingly at the balls that are thrown to you.
Definitely no game or anything else needed when fucking with hookers. For years I have said just walk up to them and say let's go. You know what they are there for and they know what you are there for. An example of this can be seen when you hit a chick up on WeChat or Thaifriendly. You say hello and she responds with prices for short time or long time.
I thought the whole idea of fucking with hookers was so you wouldn't have to go through all the games or mating rituals that you do with non-pros. You can just cut to the chase and start fucking. Funny how guys still like to go through the mating rituals in a hoarhouse. They want to buy them drinks and try to chat them up in the name of thinking they will receive better service, and in true cat fashion they end up wandering away to their friends or some other punter in the place.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257301] Getting chicks is part game and part luck. You really don't just set out to do it as you have said you will do. You just fall into situations that lead you to that. It is best to start off with no expections, read the signals, and swing accordingly at the balls that are thrown to you.[/QUOTE]Perhaps that is the best Game of all: quickly being able to get the best out of situations as they present themselves. 😁.
Just out of curiosity, do you guys mind posting some pics of the girls you're pulling freebies with?
Wondering what type of girl you guys are thinking of
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2256650]
Part 1.
For those who have been long awaiting a Monkeypaw style report, Christmas has come early this year and Santa having ho ho hoed for the last two weeks or so, has granted your wish to cure you of this thing called boredom. And "no," I don't want nor do I need anybody to sit on my lap, not even the hottest Go Go bars girls, because then it means that they are something special to me and therefore can tie me down. I'm a Playboy, by nature (so basically I monger to save from breaking the normal girls' hearts and not really a monger), so nobody on this planet is that particular to me to get that privilege.[/QUOTE]Part 2 or Part "Deus".
Honestly, after reading some of these thoughtless discussion about BBFS+CIP, whether game is needed (for the 100th time), and advice on trophy girls in the top Go Go bars (from so called sexperts who don't even step foot inside of them), Monkeypaw is really tempted to immediately instill some useful knowledge to the minds of the mindless. Because for one, it's the Monkeypaw thing to do, correct those who need correction. You know, it's like the feeling you get when you see another member brag about a PSE experience with a hot piece of ass he just met off ThaiFriendly, but then posts a pic of something that looks more like a ladyboy instead of a girl? But also, since I have a history of volunteering and doing charity work with those with mental disabilities, those who need some enlightenment will always hold a soft spot in the Paw's heart and another one between the Paw's balls. So after a few minutes of head nodding and chuckling at some of these posts, I have to restrain myself from intervening because Monkeypaw does have a report to finish. And sometimes I like to let others dig their own graves deeper, knowing Monkeypaw holds the final trump cards. Yes, mercy on your souls, shall Monkeypaw ever decides to pull them out. However I did ask God, (as if I didn't know the answer already), "Why would God create those whose seem brainless?" God answered, "The devil can create as well."
Onwards to the second part of my report which I like to call, "the fall from grace in order to ascend. " The previous trip (before this last 2 week excursion) in Pattaya was a month long, and ended in just a "meh" and not a bang. In messaging with a few members on the board, I told them that basically my last 5 girls on that Pattaya trip were barfined repeat of girls that I have fucked before. The girls were still hot (plus or minus a kilo or two), the Go Go bar experience was still entertaining, and their service was still excellent, but there was absolutely no challenge whatsoever in getting them. That made me bored. Monkeypaw always likes challenges, but at that time, the Paw found himself in a little rut. So I made like the wind and broke for Tijuana, only to be met with a bunch of non hygienically clean big assed Mexicanas to which I reported on in the Tijuana thread. Cleanliness is next to Godliness, and I am who I am, so I was utterly disgusted and limited my activities to just simply searching for the best shrimp and fish tacos while in Mexico. I regrouped and then headed back to Pattaya to meet up with those who wanted to experience the Monkeypaw in living color action, especially FL Hawk. That dude can write and write. Sometimes I re-read his reports so I can get sleepy and want to take a nap. Still that's some good shit there! If FL Hawk weren't doing what he does, my dad would hire him just to follow me around and be my personal scribe. We wouldn't pay him though, perhaps offer him a little salvation in exchange for his work. All FL Hawk has to do is document Monkeypaw's life experiences and teachings just like they did with Jesus. But he should probably help out if anybody gets the urge to nail my ass to a cross. Now back to Pattaya and the girls. I needed a slump buster and somebody to break the rut that I was in. Urban dictionary defines a "slumbuster" as:
When you're in a slump, you need an easy score to get your confidence back up and break*the slump, a slumpbuster. Often this means lowering your standards, and sleeping with someone you would never otherwise associate with. The term is obviously negative, and can even damage the reputation of someone who uses it; it implies that the "slumpbuster's" only purpose is to screw someone who's desperate for sex, and also implies that the person invoking the term uses women for sex.
So the first thing I did when I arrived to Pattaya was headed off to Soi 6. Tons of slump busters there, but I was looking for a particular, magical one that "the transcended" of Pattaya always talked about. Now if you are a seasoned monger and you know your shit about Pattaya, and of course, believe in a little luck. There is an urban legend about a crossed eyed, Thai girl, that works at the Thai Rose Bar, on the right hand side as you enter Soi 6 from Second Road. Rumor has it, that guys from all around the world, near and far, come to her when they see their luck with girls as running out or they don't have any at all. Meaning their sorry asses keep on getting rejected over and over by the better looking girls all their lives and at all the pay for play venues in Pattaya. In some parts, she is also known to some, as a ceremonial "right of passage" into manhood, that must be partaken for first timers in Pattaya. Hence, that's why you see a lot of farang dads bring their late teenage sons to Son 6 in order to break them into fucking girls. But I was only in a little rut, so no big deal for me. Those who have experienced her magic previously had given me some good advice before I ventured into her lair. I was told, the key here, is not to stare at her directly in the eyes, at least in the beginning. Just like the Medusa they warned. Hell, I'm not even sure that is possible with one eyeball looking one way, and the other one spinning around and doing loops in its socket. Whatever the case, I kept in mind to minimize looking directly into her gaze, wherever in which direction it may be. When I arrived at Thai Rose, I asked the girls up front about "she who has no name" and just pointed to my eyes. They took me inside and led me to her. I paid the 1000 to her and 300 for the use of the room, no drink required. I was there for some serious game changing luck, not because I was thirsty. I had that, I mean business look on my face, that often intimidates most people, so there was no push for me to buy anything else. Besides it was like only 2 pm and they had no other customers.
I had two choices here: 1. I could throat fuck her deeply until I cum or 2. I could bang her missionary until I cum. No other choices on the menu when asking for the Thai Rose slump buster special. This was what I was told. Why you might ask? Because legend has it, that if her eyes come uncrossed the moment you cum and bust your nut inside of her mouth or her pussy (with a condom I hope, unless your name is. Ah never mind too easy), your slump is broken and you will have years of good luck with girls. So only these two options allow you to see her eyes uncross and face change. And if her eyes do not uncross when you cum, then the slump and bad luck will continue, getting worse, until you fuck a woman twice your own weight. Yes, then you have to carry a portable scale everywhere you go in Pattaya in order to find a girl that qualifies. I weigh 68 kilos, I raghwe not ness with that. Now if you can't cum at all with her supposedly, world renowned, dick sucking skills or with missionary sex in that hour, you might as well get dressed and head your ass over to Pook Bar down the Soi. It's over for you with women and you might as well get used to tall ladyboys with biceps bigger than your. Sorry, but that's just how the world works, dim sum, lose sum. Monkeypaw opted for choice numero uno with the BJ and deep throat. I've never had a problem cumming this way. I would just close my eyes and imagine my favorite porn scene with Riley Reid and my jizz would spew out in a matter of minutes.
From the moment my cock was in her mouth, I was like "wait a minute, this feels like heaven. " Her dick sucking skills were the best that I've ever experienced in my life. Even better than anything at the former Dr. BJ in Bangkok. It felt as if I wanted to cum within less than minute of her sucking my dick. The way she licked, sucked, puckered, and squeezed my balls, I actually didn't want her to make me finish so quickly. Spit was drizzling down her mouth and onto her naked tits. I had to yell out to her "slowly!" and then she she started doing things with her mouth, tongue, and hands in sequence that I could predict like clockwork. The feeling was sensational, this crossed eyed girl was edging me with her mouth. She could sense when I was nearing my peak and about to lose my load, and she would drop me back down to just a "feel damn good stage" and then work me back up again. She did this over and over for at least 30 more minutes. It was driving me crazy. Finally, I told her okay, I want you to make me cum and you swallow okay? Little Miss Muffet, then went NSNQCIM berserko on my dick and a few minutes later when I was about to cum, I grabbed her by the ears and shouted "Oh My God! Dammit, look at me! Look at meeee. " She then stared up at me, my now pulsating cock still in her mouth, and fear in her both of her eyes, with about a gallon of hot white cum oozing from the side of her mouth. That moment, that gaze, we connected at a spiritual level and she knew exactly who or what Monkeypaw was. Those dark brown eyes of her became uncrossed magically and her face briefly turned "angelic" to me. The struggles I endure to become what I am. Monkeypaw pulled his throbbing dick out her mouth and stood there in conquest and relieved. My slump was finally over and I was ready to hit Walking Street with the other ISG members again, and battle some more.
To be continued.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257314]Just out of curiosity, do you guys mind posting some pics of the girls you're pulling freebies with?
Wondering what type of girl you guys are thinking of[/QUOTE]I will in February when I return. If you read correctly instead of being quick to judge you will see it is a goal I have set. But I predicted such post LOL.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2257312]Perhaps that is the best Game of all: quickly being able to get the best out of situations as they present themselves. 😁.[/QUOTE]3 hotel changes for one LOL.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257301]I know it is good to have goals, but in this case you are setting yourself up for failure. Fucking with women is already like herding cats. Getting chicks is part game and part luck. You really don't just set out to do it as you have said you will do. You just fall into situations that lead you to that. It is best to start off with no expections, read the signals, and swing accordingly at the balls that are thrown to you.
Definitely no game or anything else needed when fucking with hookers. For years I have said just walk up to them and say let's go. You know what they are there for and they know what you are there for. An example of this can be seen when you hit a chick up on WeChat or Thaifriendly. You say hello and she responds with prices for short time or long time.
I thought the whole idea of fucking with hookers was so you wouldn't have to go through all the games or mating rituals that you do with non-pros. You can just cut to the chase and start fucking. Funny how guys still like to go through the mating rituals in a hoarhouse. They want to buy them drinks and try to chat them up in the name of thinking they will receive better service, and in true cat fashion they end up wandering away to their friends or some other punter in the place.[/QUOTE]If it comes off I am a happy man if not well I will just go to a bar or an ago go. LOL.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257319]I will in February when I return. If you read correctly instead of being quick to judge you will see it is a goal I have set. But I predicted such post LOL.[/QUOTE]
Woah woah woah settle down big boy. No need to get your tits twisted. Where did I judge? I'm just asking a question since beauty is subjective.
My idea of a 10 could be an 8 in your eyes. Your idea of a 10 could be a 4 in my eyes. (w / the latter probably being more likely haha).
Just teasing. But perhaps take a second to stop being so focused on measuring your epeen with other old dudes on a mongering forum & relax huh?
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257314]Just out of curiosity, do you guys mind posting some pics of the girls you're pulling freebies with?
Wondering what type of girl you guys are thinking of[/QUOTE]This is not the place to find guys posting brag pics of girls they managed to fuck unless they are hookers, and even then face pics are not so likely. Still you can post your pics if you want.
Yes we will never know mostly if guys are fucking hags or beauties, however there is a shortage of good lookers in the Photo gallery, generally, such that I don't even open those threads normally.
On Soi Cowboy I observe guys going past with a very beautiful girl. 90% of those guys were probably Japanese or Korean. Most Farangs are getting the dregs, either by accident or design. Maybe less fussy, on average or wanted the girls to be every cheap. I could say that 90%+ of the guys with a Ladyboy are also Japanese. 90% of the guys with ugly girls are not east Asian guys. I am omitting high surgeries girls from this comment, because of my known bias against them. Times are tough for us Farangs. In Thermae, the best girls to my taste show no interest in me, generally, and I show no interest in the lower standard 70 to 80% of them. The place is not well suited to me. A really hot girl who prefers Farangs is just not that likely to be there any more. Yes there maybe girls who take both equally well. All my favourite bargirls seem to prefer Farangs, and are appreciated more so by non-Japanese though.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2257345]This is not the place to find guys posting brag pics of girls they managed to fuck unless they are hookers, and even then face pics are not so likely. Still you can post your pics if you want.
Yes we will never know mostly if guys are fucking hags or beauties, however there is a shortage of good lookers in the Photo gallery, generally, such that I don't even open those threads normally.[/QUOTE]I really just asked because I was genuinely curious. Not trying to put anybody down or anything? To each their own.
More so just to gauge perspective. While beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there is still a level of objectivity when it comes to measuring beauty.
With there being so many opinions, age ranges / generations on this board, I just don't think it would hurt to at least try and standardize what girls can qualify as stunners hot cute average, etc.
Would be beneficial for new members when referencing tips / suggestions on how to get each type of girl.
Agreed on the photo gallery. No offense intended, but you wouldn't be able to pay me to fuck most of those girls. But again, there is a huge range of age, standards, etc. on this board.
You'll never find me bashing a dude because I don't like the hooker he banged lol. Whatever floats your boat.. as long as you're happy.
Hotspot through your phone so no need for more than wifi on the tablet. Even a kindle will work. Get a keyboard that doubles as a hard case to protect the tablet screen.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2254207]Thanks for the responses. I am thinking about the cheap tablet option, plenty here for less then $100 AUD.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Happens more often than you would image. Some of the stories I hear is that the guy only pays partial. 50-70%. It just makes it harder for the next guy but plenty of girls out there. Think the advice for the girl is to accept per diem payments. As for mail, many different types will send letters to the home front. Don't give out your home address. Pointless if you are doing your housekeeper like many guys I know.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2252840]Over the last few days I've been talking to my favorite ThaiFriendly girl about one of her girlfriends. The girlfriend just finished a 28 day vacation with a married farang who promised to give her 30,000 baht at the end of the vacation. In the end, the farang said they spent too much money and he didn't have anything to give her. Of course, the girl stopped her normal job to take this trip so she doesn't get her normal income. This girl is now back in Isaan without the ability to make her payments for rent, car, phone, and electricity. She doesn't even have money to buy food for herself and her children.
She has a copy of the farang's driver's license and is talking about sending letters and intimate selfies in the mail addressed to his wife.
I don't know how much of this is true, but, I know it has happened in the past. In fact, an unmarried friend of mine did something similar to a girl after a 3-week trip. Eventually my friend sent money via Western Union, but it wasn't without a fight.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257314]Just out of curiosity, do you guys mind posting some pics of the girls you're pulling freebies with?
Wondering what type of girl you guys are thinking of[/QUOTE]Bingo. In my opinion, a story without a photo tells us quite little. I always assume the worst looking scrag possible if they don't share a photo. Unfortunately, sharing photos is not popular on this site like it was 10 years ago. I'm not sure why it changed. I have also stopped sharing photos simply because almost nobody else does anymore, and if I do share a photo these days, the result is that my inbox gets bombarded with PMs asking for contact information from guys I've never even heard of before. In the past, I would share photos and others would also share theirs, then we would swap numbers.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257301]Getting chicks is part game and part luck. You really don't just set out to do it as you have said you will do. You just fall into situations that lead you to that. It is best to start off with no expections, read the signals, and swing accordingly at the balls that are thrown to you.[/QUOTE]There is a restaurant that we like to go to in the LK Metro area. Over a year ago Cool showed me a chick's facebook and the pictures were like wow. I said who the hell is that? He said it is the waitress. I said no way dude. So I haven't seen her in the restaurant in a long time, probably since that day.
Yesterday I was trolling Tinder and saw her so I clicked the like. She clicked the like back and we started talking. It was after midnight. I tried to get her to come over but she wouldn't. I'm spitting all kind of game. She said I have a boyfriend and I am not trying to do him like that. I said he is not my homeboy so what's up? But she refused. So some other broad ended up coming over.
I wake up today and the waitress sent me a message apologizing that she fell asleep and just woke up. She said she was about to get ready and go eat. I said me too and asked if she wanted to go together. She said sure. I told her that I had to go bowling after and that she could tag along if she liked.
So she came over and we head to Tequila Reef. Left there and went bowling. Left there and went to Central Festival for dessert. Then we went back to my place. She put her helmet inside her bike signaling that she would come in.
We watched a bunch of cartoons that I had downloaded. Big Mouth, Duck Tales, The Simpsons, and Family Guy. Then she asked for a towel and went to the bathroom and came out wearing just the towel. I said what is your boyfriend going to say? She said nothing because you don't know him remember? Now she is next to me asleep.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257434]Bingo. In my opinion, a story without a photo tells us quite little. I always assume the worst looking scrag possible if they don't share a photo. Unfortunately, sharing photos is not popular on this site like it was 10 years ago. I'm not sure why it changed. I have also stopped sharing photos simply because almost nobody else does anymore, and if I do share a photo these days, the result is that my inbox gets bombarded with PMs asking for contact information from guys I've never even heard of before. In the past, I would share photos and others would also share theirs, then we would swap numbers.[/QUOTE]Same thing after my May trip. One girl was actually hurt by a guy I gave her contact detail to so I am very hesitant.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257347]I really just asked because I was genuinely curious. Not trying to put anybody down or anything? To each their own.
More so just to gauge perspective. While beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there is still a level of objectivity when it comes to measuring beauty.
With there being so many opinions, age ranges / generations on this board, I just don't think it would hurt to at least try and standardize what girls can qualify as stunners hot cute average, etc.
Would be beneficial for new members when referencing tips / suggestions on how to get each type of girl.
Agreed on the photo gallery. No offense intended, but you wouldn't be able to pay me to fuck most of those girls. But again, there is a huge range of age, standards, etc. on this board.
You'll never find me bashing a dude because I don't like the hooker he banged lol. Whatever floats your boat.. as long as you're happy.[/QUOTE]You have nailed it. We all have different goals to achieve and they vary from punter to punter. Some guys have to be seen with the hottest girls in town and others are happy to go with plain Janes. Some guys have bigger budgets. The important thing is that every one enjoys themselves and goes home happy.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257339]Woah woah woah settle down big boy. No need to get your tits twisted. Where did I judge? I'm just asking a question since beauty is subjective.
My idea of a 10 could be an 8 in your eyes. Your idea of a 10 could be a 4 in my eyes. (w / the latter probably being more likely haha).
Just teasing. But perhaps take a second to stop being so focused on measuring your epeen with other old dudes on a mongering forum & relax huh?[/QUOTE]A 10 is great but if she is a dud in the bedroom is she still a 10? When parading thru Walking Street with a 10 your ego is inflated but in reality if she doesn't perform is it worth it? Apart from FL Hawk every poster here seems to forget about their dud fucks and quickly sweep them under the carpet but I can guarantee you most of those dud fucks are in the stratosphere you call a 10. And to be honest I don't really care who rates the girl / s I go with because I have seen something I like in them and unless someone else is paying them it shouldn't be of any concern to them.
On a side note please don't take my post too seriously as I don't and I am not that concerned about opinions of people I don't know so nothing taken personally here.
Anyone can answer or respond to this, this relates to the comment of showing proof that you are clear of STDs. Question is simple, I was under the impression that is you took a test in Thailand that showed that you aren't clean that you could be refused entry. Am I off base? Is there not a risk where you are living in Thailand and tests show that you are say hiv positive. Would taking such tests not risk your ability to live in Thailand?
On one hand you want to know if you caught something, on the other hand you have to wonder if taking the test in Thailand they are reporting on those who have something serious. Are you risking your retirement by taking this type of test where you live?
It's a funny thing about photos. They often mislead more than inform. Our phones are chock full of photos of our friends and ourselves with big grins on our faces pointing to the monument, the theme park ride or whatever and it is clear the intent was to suggest that level of happiness permeated the whole day's adventure. What a great time we all had! In reality the only times a big grin was plastered on our face was for the two seconds it took to get through those damn photo shoots.
Girls who look like stone fox 10s in photos come across as no more than above average in person. Girls whose photos elicit grimaces of disapproval from my friends turn those same guys into fawning puppies when they meet her in person. I told you, dude.
And our relationship to the photos we and others display goes goofy. We say we don't care what others think, but we do. We say we wouldn't judge, but we do. We just can't help ourselves I suppose.
Phazze93 seems like a good guy and I am sure he means well and means what he says as often if not more than anyone. But, Phazze, didn't you notice that almost every sentiment expressed in this post regarding photos of the girls contradicts the previous one? You conclude by bashing virtually everyone who posted a photo of their latest conquest in the photo gallery yet we'll never catch you bashing a dude on that issue? Good thing no offense was intended though. LOL. Again, we ALL are like that with regard to photos. Photos have an undue almost magical effect on us sometimes.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2257347]I really just asked because I was genuinely curious. Not trying to put anybody down or anything? To each their own.
More so just to gauge perspective. While beauty is in the eye of the beholder, there is still a level of objectivity when it comes to measuring beauty.
With there being so many opinions, age ranges / generations on this board, I just don't think it would hurt to at least try and standardize what girls can qualify as stunners hot cute average, etc.
Would be beneficial for new members when referencing tips / suggestions on how to get each type of girl.
Agreed on the photo gallery. No offense intended, but you wouldn't be able to pay me to fuck most of those girls. But again, there is a huge range of age, standards, etc. on this board.
You'll never find me bashing a dude because I don't like the hooker he banged lol. Whatever floats your boat.. as long as you're happy.[/QUOTE]I'm not even sure what the point is in displaying a trophy photo of a girl we banged. To make others jealous? To elicit their approval? To squeeze out a bit more pleasure from the experience by showing her off in public? I usually feel I have had so much pleasure with the girl already, I not only do not need to squeeze out any more later, but fiddling with the experience any further by posting her photo online can only add a negative effect to it. I can't think of any reason it might improve it. Maybe her finding out will upset her or change how she is with me next time, if there is a next time. Who knows.
I am generally fine and even happy to share photos of my conquests or girlfriends with guys I know more personally on Line or on my phone if we are sitting next to each other. But even then I wonder if there is enough benefit to it vs potential downside. One very good friend of mine looks at a pic of one of my girls and says, "Oh, she isn't as good looking as your other girl, so-and-so." Hey, dude, who asked for your opinion? Actually, I kind of did by showing him her photo. But what happened to plain old, "Nice. She looks great!" to any photo I show you? LOL. Now I've got this idiot's somewhat unsolicited opinion rolling around in my head whenever the three of us are together and I start to wonder if maybe I should be with so-and-so more often than this one. But I like this one much better!
Works just as stupidly the other way. Some guy looks at a photo of me with a particular girl and he says, "Man, what a great photo. She is beautiful and you two look perfect together!" Meanwhile, I was just thinking about dropping this one from the roster out of pure boredom. Now I start to reconsider and wind up having two additional boring sessions with her I would have enjoyed much more with the one whose pic that dude grimaced over before. LOL.
Photos more often than not don't really tell others much of anything very important. But they do give them a chance to express unsolicited and all too often unwelcome and unhelpful opinions about this body part or that one. I do the same thing. I suppose it is useful if it is a photo of our girl sitting on our best friend's lap and sticking her tongue in his ear or of the girl we are warning others stole our tablet during last night's session.
[QUOTE=Breadman;2257652]Anyone can answer or respond to this, this relates to the comment of showing proof that you are clear of STDs. Question is simple, I was under the impression that is you took a test in Thailand that showed that you aren't clean that you could be refused entry. Am I off base? Is there not a risk where you are living in Thailand and tests show that you are say hiv positive. Would taking such tests not risk your ability to live in Thailand?
On one hand you want to know if you caught something, on the other hand you have to wonder if taking the test in Thailand they are reporting on those who have something serious. Are you risking your retirement by taking this type of test where you live?[/QUOTE]I think the idea is to screen out or deny entry for people who have a somewhat casually "contagious" type of disease. In that regard, HIV (as one example) is not one of them. It isn't like you can give it to someone else by coughing in their face on the skytrain. When I applied for my first retirement visa at the Thai Consulate back in the USA, I had to provide a letter from my doctor showing that I'd been tested for this and that disease and was all clear. HIV was definitely not one of them and, as I recall, neither was any other sexually transmitted disease. However, that was about 7 years ago. Maybe requirements have changed since then.
Subsequent annual visa extensions do not require me to provide a doctor's letter. So, again, that suggests nothing revealed in a medical check up, no matter how serious, is a reason for them to search you out and deport you.
I don't know what happens if your test at, say, Thai Red Cross, comes up positive for something serious while they probably have your name, passport number and phone number on file. I have never heard of someone being kicked out because of something found in one of those tests. Not saying it can't or doesn't happen though.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257654]It's a funny thing about photos.
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Girls who look like stone fox 10s in photos come across as no more than above average in person. Girls whose photos elicit grimaces of disapproval from my friends turn those same guys into fawning puppies when they meet her in person. I told you, dude.....[/QUOTE]This may be true of Tinder style pics but a mommy body will usually come across as a mommy body on a full body pic. The photo galleries on this forum are meant to make the forum more attractive to prospective new customers so I don't like to critisize. I also do not want to hurt the posters' feelings. Who am I to critisize since I very rarely post any pics myself. But were I to speak my mind it would often be "don't tell me you flew half way round the world for that!"
I'm not even speaking of the series of close-ups of genitalia. They have the same effect on me as pages from a veterinary manual.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257654]It's a funny thing about photos. They often mislead more than inform. [/QUOTE]I do believe that more often than not, a photo taken by your own phone when you are with the girl most often does tell the story. I do agree that sometimes girls simply aren't photogenic and look much better in real life than in the photo, but most times a real life photo does give a very good indication of what a girl looks like. Glamour shots, photoshopped pics, and pics using filters are worthless. Unfortunately, most of these girls use those edited photos as their social media profile pics.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257664] Unfortunately, most of these girls use those edited photos as their social media profile pics.[/QUOTE]Yes. And some of these girls are brilliant masters at knowing exactly how to turn their head and body this way or that to make themselves look even better than they do in person!
I met a 30ish year old woman on a dating site whose face looked quite lovely. Very attractive. I showed other guys her pic and they all expressed the same, "Man, I'd tap that any time" sentiment. Terrific smile. And her body looked pretty good too.
In person, she turned out to be one of the ugliest women I have ever sat across a coffee shop table from or seen in public. No exaggeration. It wasn't because she had used old photos of her back when she looked good. It is hard to imagine that woman ever looking good. It was because she knew exactly the right angle to make it appear she had lovely, even and appealing features, those "standards of beauty" that one can argue do exist in the world.
How do I know that? Because she took a selfie of the two of us together at the coffee shop and sent it to my Line account. So it was a totally current photo with no clever lighting or photoshop tricks. I looked the same as I looked in the mirror that day. But she looked just as fine and doable as she looked in every other photo I ever saw of her on her dating site profile and Line account! That is when I noticed that she held her head and smiled in exactly the same way in every photo, including our selfie. Brilliant. She knew how to make herself look "Camera Beautiful" and put her face and body in that position for every photo.
Her Line account Timeline is full of hearts in the eyes love stickers from a dozen or more guys who apparently have only seen her pics and chatted with her on the dating site and on Line but never met her in person.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257654]I'm not even sure what the point is in displaying a trophy photo of a girl we banged. To make others jealous? To elicit their approval? To squeeze out a bit more pleasure from the experience by showing her off in public? I usually feel I have had so much pleasure with the girl already, I not only do not need to squeeze out any more later, but fiddling with the experience any further by posting her photo online can only add a negative effect to it.[/QUOTE]Great post. I was in Cuba with my dad. He had his cell phone in the safe and told me to use mine to take pictures of his girl so he could brag to his friends.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257674]In person, she turned out to be one of the ugliest women I have ever sat across a coffee shop table from or seen in public. No exaggeration. It wasn't because she had used old photos of her back when she looked good. It is hard to imagine that woman ever looking good. It was because she knew exactly the right angle to make it appear she had lovely, even and appealing features, those "standards of beauty" that one can argue do exist in the world.[/QUOTE]LOL. Yeah it happens. That is why I have to see a normal picture that someone else took at a distance. Not that closeup shit full of flowers and stars and app magic (that I call witchcraft.).
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257654]
I'm not even sure what the point is in displaying a trophy photo of a girl we banged. To make others jealous? To elicit their approval? To squeeze out a bit more pleasure from the experience by showing her off in public? [/QUOTE]I just like to look at girls, so I enjoy the photos.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257603]You have nailed it. We all have different goals to achieve and they vary from punter to punter. Some guys have to be seen with the hottest girls in town and others are happy to go with plain Janes. Some guys have bigger budgets. The important thing is that every one enjoys themselves and goes home happy.[/QUOTE]Post of the year. Here in Bangkok, I am content with finding a pleasing to my eye one who I can wham bam as cheaply and efficiently as possible. If I want GFE / PSE with a supermodel I'll wait till I get home to my GF.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257606]A 10 is great but if she is a dud in the bedroom is she still a 10? When parading thru Walking Street with a 10 your ego is inflated but in reality if she doesn't perform is it worth it? Apart from FL Hawk every poster here seems to forget about their dud fucks and quickly sweep them under the carpet but I can guarantee you most of those dud fucks are in the stratosphere you call a 10. And to be honest I don't really care who rates the girl / s I go with because I have seen something I like in them and unless someone else is paying them it shouldn't be of any concern to them.
On a side note please don't take my post too seriously as I don't and I am not that concerned about opinions of people I don't know so nothing taken personally here.[/QUOTE]Ofc, 10 that sucks in bed is essentially un-rated. But in fairness, as much as I have been saying 10's 10's 10's. I didn't actually find any 10's during my trip haha.
The one palace girl I took multiple times was a 9 on stage in terms of looks and an 8. 5 outside the club in terms of looks & an 7. 5-8 in terms of performance. Numbers I'm ok with considering how difficult it is to find true 10's.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2257654]
Phazze93 seems like a good guy and I am sure he means well and means what he says as often if not more than anyone. But, Phazze, didn't you notice that almost every sentiment expressed in this post regarding photos of the girls contradicts the previous one? You conclude by bashing virtually everyone who posted a photo of their latest conquest in the photo gallery yet we'll never catch you bashing a dude on that issue? Good thing no offense was intended though. LOL. Again, we ALL are like that with regard to photos. Photos have an undue almost magical effect on us sometimes.
[/QUOTE]LOL I was serious with the no offense part.
Its just a range of standards. I won't bash as in. Even if I don't agree with your taste, I won't bash you for having a good time & if that is what you like.
Again, whatever makes you happy. You do you.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2257686]I just like to look at girls, so I enjoy the photos.[/QUOTE]Preach.
Rather see a lot of photos than none at all.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2257773]Post of the year. Here in Bangkok, I am content with finding a pleasing to my eye one who I can wham bam as cheaply and efficiently as possible. If I want GFE / PSE with a supermodel I'll wait till I get home to my GF.[/QUOTE]Thanks dude. I didn't know my wife and your GF are identical twins LOL.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2257684]LOL. Yeah it happens. That is why I have to see a normal picture that someone else took at a distance. Not that closeup shit full of flowers and stars and app magic (that I call witchcraft.).[/QUOTE]That lady was a turning point in my dating site methods a couple of years ago. From that experience forward, one of the first things I do after we move from the dating site email chat to our Line accounts is to casually ask if she is ok to video chat for one minute now "just to say Hello". If she says no due to being at work or having company but without stating a more specific time when she can do it then I am very hesitant to bother chatting much further. She likely doesn't look anything like her photos and knows as soon as the guy sees her on video the fun and flirty exchanges come to a screeching halt. It also means she will likely never be available to meet in person either. She is a waste of my time.
My other early take away from that experience was to be wary whenever the girl displays several pics where she is posed (particularly facially) in exactly the same angle with exactly the same expression or smile on her face. That has been carefully practiced and experimented with to hide as many weird flaws as possible.
Another thing to be wary of, although that was not the problem here, is a girl who looks pretty good, displays many photos of her smiling, but none where her smile shows teeth.
Strangely enough, I have had very good experiences with some girls who at first displayed no photos at all on the dating site. They just clicked interested in me. Usually, I will ignore the no photo contact on those sites. But sometimes I reply politely and go with it a while. I can't exactly explain why. Maybe all the other things listed are favorable; her location is very near where I live, her age, her height and weight description, no kids, only looking for Romance/Dating, she says something in the email message that is intriguing, whatever. But 3-4 times it has turned out when we move to our Line accounts, the girl is good looking, we meet and we have a great time in bed. They just didn't like the kind of attention and comments they were getting when they posted their photos so they deleted them.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2258041]Thanks dude. I didn't know my wife and your GF are identical twins LOL.[/QUOTE]Are they both named Beulah?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2258086]Are they both named Beulah?[/QUOTE]That is definitely mine LOL.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257606]A 10 is great but if she is a dud in the bedroom is she still a 10? When parading thru Walking Street with a 10 your ego is inflated but in reality if she doesn't perform is it worth it? Apart from FL Hawk every poster here seems to forget about their dud fucks and quickly sweep them under the carpet but I can guarantee you most of those dud fucks are in the stratosphere you call a 10. And to be honest I don't really care who rates the girl / s I go with because I have seen something I like in them and unless someone else is paying them it shouldn't be of any concern to them.
On a side note please don't take my post too seriously as I don't and I am not that concerned about opinions of people I don't know so nothing taken personally here.[/QUOTE]Without taking you too seriously, like are there any 10's on Walking street? This ego about parading on some street is a big mystery to me. Some of us don't wish to be seen by others we know. We take a good looking girl for our own enjoyment, anonymously. Most girls tried, we don't even have pics of. They can be forgotten quickly, particularly if were a dud and not repeated. The risk of forgetting duds quickly, is the possibility to accidently pick the same girl again after a few months or years.
I have reported plenty of dud fucks (although not in Pattaya Thread), as I am perhaps not as easily satisfied by a girl as when I was younger, and I appeal to the young girls less. The one thing that keeps my dud fuck reports down, is reluctance to try a new girl, without being very certain I cannot do without her. Repeats reduces dud fucks a hell of a lot. A great fuck is not going to be boring me in a big hurry especially if is good looking or has a hot body. As you may expect, I don't look at nasty ugly porn, only pretty porn, stunning girls, even some of them are somewhat similar in looks to my regular girls (but non Asian variations). I repeat one girl who is not a GFE really, rather passive, but not restrictive, purely because her body is a 9 and her face is 7. 5. She even allows tongue kissing but is just somewhat shy and passive about it.
I have zero interest to fuck ugly girls regardless of their cost or skills, or special services. Looks are important for some of us, but there has to be a compromise. Once one has had one or more well above average looking girlfriends, possibly with a great body, it becomes hard to drop the standards down to a much inferior looking girl. This has to make obvious sense. My GF was still very hot for me at 38 YO. I know some guys really don't care what a girls face looks like, but that is not all of us.
Rating schemes for a girl should be completely separate for her face, for her body, for her PSE skills, her GFE level and enthusiasm. No point to say a girl is not a 10 because she was a dud fuck. If her body is a 10 it remains a 10. Could be she just did not have any chemistry with the guy and was a dud fuck, but still capable of being great for a different guy.
Please keeps looks rating and performance ratings completely separate. There is probably no correlation between the two and some claim an anti-correlation, due to stunning girls being too lazy to provide good service, or just don't care. However I find that even stunning girls can be horny and them having an orgasm is possible if can get them in the mood, and some girls seem to enjoy even without a cum.
I know many guys don't care about girls having fun, just want to pay money for a service, however I am more of a doer than a receiver, so not many girls I kept repeating who did not appear to be getting any fun (unless they are just so hot I cannot give them up). I don't repeat any girls who resist DATY, for fear of being stimulated perhaps.
Some of us missed out on experiencing sex with a lot of young pretty girls when we were 18 to 30 (collected a GF/wife mistake too soon), so maybe in mongering we try to make up for lost youth. What is the point to pay a lot for ordinary to ugly girls? O.K. if very cheap or free I guess. O.K. if better than a wank.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2258618]Without taking you too seriously, like are there any 10's on Walking street? This ego about parading on some street is a big mystery to me. Some of us don't wish to be seen by others we know. We take a good looking girl for our own enjoyment, anonymously. Most girls tried, we don't even have pics of. They can be forgotten quickly, particularly if were a dud and not repeated. The risk of forgetting duds quickly, is the possibility to accidently pick the same girl again after a few months or years.
I have reported plenty of dud fucks (although not in Pattaya Thread), as I am perhaps not as easily satisfied by a girl as when I was younger, and I appeal to the young girls less. The one thing that keeps my dud fuck reports down, is reluctance to try a new girl, without being very certain I cannot do without her. Repeats reduces dud fucks a hell of a lot. A great fuck is not going to be boring me in a big hurry especially if is good looking or has a hot body. As you may expect, I don't look at nasty ugly porn, only pretty porn, stunning girls, even some of them are somewhat similar in looks to my regular girls (but non Asian variations). I repeat one girl who is not a GFE really, rather passive, but not restrictive, purely because her body is a 9 and her face is 7. 5. She even allows tongue kissing but is just somewhat shy and passive about it.
I have zero interest to fuck ugly girls regardless of their cost or skills, or special services. Looks are important for some of us, but there has to be a compromise. Once one has had one or more well above average looking girlfriends, possibly with a great body, it becomes hard to drop the standards down to a much inferior looking girl. This has to make obvious sense. My GF was still very hot for me at 38 YO. I know some guys really don't care what a girls face looks like, but that is not all of us.
Rating schemes for a girl should be completely separate for her face, for her body, for her PSE skills, her GFE level and enthusiasm. No point to say a girl is not a 10 because she was a dud fuck. If her body is a 10 it remains a 10. Could be she just did not have any chemistry with the guy and was a dud fuck, but still capable of being great for a different guy.
Please keeps looks rating and performance ratings completely separate. There is probably no correlation between the two and some claim an anti-correlation, due to stunning girls being too lazy to provide good service, or just don't care. However I find that even stunning girls can be horny and them having an orgasm is possible if can get them in the mood, and some girls seem to enjoy even without a cum.
I know many guys don't care about girls having fun, just want to pay money for a service, however I am more of a doer than a receiver, so not many girls I kept repeating who did not appear to be getting any fun (unless they are just so hot I cannot give them up). I don't repeat any girls who resist DATY, for fear of being stimulated perhaps.
Some of us missed out on experiencing sex with a lot of young pretty girls when we were 18 to 30 (collected a GF/wife mistake too soon), so maybe in mongering we try to make up for lost youth. What is the point to pay a lot for ordinary to ugly girls? O.K. if very cheap or free I guess. O.K. if better than a wank.[/QUOTE]The whole 10 is not to be taken seriously. It seems like a form of bullying to a degree that some guys use to boost their already inflated egos. I personally target the slightly above average girls who give the vibe of giving a good time. If I was collecting trophies I would be more inclined to have their heads on walls. LOL.
I can have fun with in bed with a "frigid" stunner who only sees me as a john but alas not with a mommy body MILF who worships the ground I stand on. Had I been born 20 years later I would have been perfectly happy fucking the sexbots that will come on the market 15 years from now. I guess I am also a good client for girls who are not at all into their clients because I don't insist on special blowjobs or tongue kissing etc. Ninety percent of the sex is doggy-style. This enables the girl to not look at me and switch off (especially since my cock is probably better than my looks), maybe fantasizing she is being fucked by her loverboy. This may be why I have been well-accepted by many top-girls in German FKKs despite my not being a big spender.
I can be mightily aroused by a good faker, even if her faking is gross. I pretend to be taken in by the faking so in the end it is she who is being taken for a ride, not I.
As I age and become uglier, my standards of female attractiveness do not go down an inch, that's for sure.
Well it had to arrive eventually, but I was hoping for another few years.
Taking a final short-cut through Soi Cowboy coming from the BTS to my hotel to do a bit of perving, sorry, research for the site I had only stepped a few meters into the soi and I hear the call.
'Papa, welcome'. (My Translation: Hey grandad, come in here and look at all the nubiles).
Now, not very good advertising in my mind. I know the cultural differences play a part here and respect for elders is inbuilt in Asian communities, but it hurt my sensibilities nevertheless. Anyway, brave face and onward.
Plenty of young, slim, fit looking girls on the soi at 9. 30 PM that evening. Oh yeah with plenty of camel-toe on view too. Now that's good advertising.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2258618] {SNIP}Rating schemes for a girl should be completely separate for her face, for her body, for her PSE skills, her GFE level and enthusiasm. No point to say a girl is not a 10 because she was a dud fuck. If her body is a 10 it remains a 10. Could be she just did not have any chemistry with the guy and was a dud fuck, but still capable of being great for a different guy.{SNIP}.[/QUOTE]MY own "scale" goes from 0 to 4.
0 is a woman you would not FKK.
1 is a woman that you would.
2 is a woman that you would DATY then FKK.
3 is a woman that you would FKK (BB) then DATY.
4 is a woman that you'd DATY after your buddy FKK'ed her (BB).
I have met a few 3's. But no 4's.
[QUOTE=PVMonger;2258745]
0 is a woman you would not FKK..[/QUOTE]I'm not sure if you know what FKK means. FKK is the German abbreviation for "Freie Krper Kultur". This means nudist or something like that. FKK in terms of mongering refers to the many FKK clubs / sauna club where sex is available with knockout women for 100 euro per hour in Germany, Austria, Switzerland, etc.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2258041]Thanks dude. I didn't know my wife and your GF are identical twins LOL.[/QUOTE]Great taste, guys.
[QUOTE=David2;2258803]Great taste, guys.[/QUOTE]The love of my life LOL.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2258619]The whole 10 is not to be taken seriously. It seems like a form of bullying to a degree that some guys use to boost their already inflated egos. I personally target the slightly above average girls who give the vibe of giving a good time. If I was collecting trophies I would be more inclined to have their heads on walls. LOL.[/QUOTE]A 10 girl is a myth. The minute she talks to me, she becomes a 9. That is just me.
[QUOTE=David2;2258803]Great taste, guys.[/QUOTE]These twins look like the two oldest prostitutes in Amsterdam (also twins) LOL.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/living/1601577/these-twin-grandmothers-have-slept-with-an-eye-watering-355000-men-between-them
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2258770] FKK is the German abbreviation for "Freie Krper Kultur". This means nudist or something like that. [/QUOTE]Freikörperkultur. Literally translated: free body culture.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2258961]A 10 girl is a myth. The minute she talks to me, she becomes a 9. That is just me.[/QUOTE]I know I mentioned 10's in multiple posts. But I think I did clarify. I never actually found a 10 in thailand yet.
Highest I've found has been a 9 WHILE she's on stage, 8. 5 after she gets dressed, 8 in bed. Thats the best I've had. If you've really got true taste for 10's, you won't find any amongst working girls. A 10 most likely knows they're a 10 in terms of looks. And wouldn't need to fuck dudes for a living.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2258961]A 10 girl is a myth. The minute she talks to me, she becomes a 9. That is just me.[/QUOTE]My GF at home is a 10 plus for Instagram model looks, a 10 plus for performance, a 10 plus for brains, a 10 plus for having a trust fund and a 10 plus for being under 25. That's a 50 plus.
She loses 10 points for leaving my heart in my throat when she punches the accelerator on her M5, 10 points for yelling at other drivers, 10 points for being obsessive about her looks, 10 points for being a know it all, 10 points for making an old man like me perform constantly, 10 points for not being able to cook, 10 points for narcissism, 10 points for bossiness and 10 points for being a Princess. -90.
Thus, she is a minus 40.
Now a skinny pretty woman with no gag reflex who doesn't speak English and charges by the minute. That's a 10. If her daddy owns a liquor store, and she can cook, Ill marry her.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2259006]I know I mentioned 10's in multiple posts. But I think I did clarify. I never actually found a 10 in thailand yet.
Highest I've found has been a 9 WHILE she's on stage, 8. 5 after she gets dressed, 8 in bed. Thats the best I've had. If you've really got true taste for 10's, you won't find any amongst working girls. A 10 most likely knows they're a 10 in terms of looks. And wouldn't need to fuck dudes for a living.[/QUOTE]Excellent point.
However, I would suggest you take a trip to The Pimp at least once. Blow that 25 K baht in one night and you will see a few on-stage 10's.
https://www.instagram.com/nnimiko/
A sample. There are pics of her workmates too. I am sure there will be many here who will not agree this girl is top notch, that is why its said "beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder".
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2259006]I know I mentioned 10's in multiple posts. But I think I did clarify. I never actually found a 10 in thailand yet.[/QUOTE]I think 10's don't exist. There's not a single woman on the face of the earth who is 100% perfect in every aspect.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2259006]I know I mentioned 10's in multiple posts. But I think I did clarify. I never actually found a 10 in thailand yet.
Highest I've found has been a 9 WHILE she's on stage, 8. 5 after she gets dressed, 8 in bed. Thats the best I've had. If you've really got true taste for 10's, you won't find any amongst working girls. A 10 most likely knows they're a 10 in terms of looks. And wouldn't need to fuck dudes for a living.[/QUOTE]Just go to Bumrumgrad Hospital's Plastic Surgery section and find the babews with the very rich sugar daddies. Of course, you would need game for that.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2259022]I think 10's don't exist. There's not a single woman on the face of the earth who is 100% perfect in every aspect.[/QUOTE]Maybe Ivanka Trump.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2259011]Excellent point.
However, I would suggest you take a trip to The Pimp at least once. Blow that 25 K baht in one night and you will see a few on-stage 10's.
https://www.instagram.com/nnimiko/
A sample. There are pics of her workmates too. I am sure there will be many here who will not agree this girl is top notch, that is why its said "beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder".[/QUOTE]She's attractive, tall & slim. But for me she's not a 10. Closer to a 8. 5-9? Her face is more cute than sexy (rounder). Nice body though.
The last stunner I found in bkk was probably an 8? Similar in figure, but had sharper features, particularly her face which was nice. If it weren't for her mediocre fake tits & a few tacky tattoos, she would have been a 8. 5-9.
Never been to The Pimp, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to drop 25 k for a girl lol. What would be the terms of 25 k? 30 min? Haha.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2259040]Just go to Bumrumgrad Hospital's Plastic Surgery section and find the babews with the very rich sugar daddies. Of course, you would need game for that.[/QUOTE]LOL. Thats funny
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2259300]She's attractive, tall & slim. But for me she's not a 10. Closer to a 8. 5-9? Her face is more cute than sexy (rounder). Nice body though.
The last stunner I found in bkk was probably an 8? Similar in figure, but had sharper features, particularly her face which was nice. If it weren't for her mediocre fake tits & a few tacky tattoos, she would have been a 8. 5-9.
Never been to The Pimp, but I'm not sure if I'm ready to drop 25 k for a girl lol. What would be the terms of 25 k? 30 min? Haha.
LOL. Thats funny[/QUOTE]This discussion show how diverse the attraction we have for women. I completely disagree with any thin frail soft model type. And Smoothy, Ivanka Trump? Maybe 20 years ago. I personally like the athletic type with some body that looks healthy. Has a little strength and shape. Ie: a volleyball player or ladies football. I guess it's where your from and your background. Every man has his own taste in women.
RL.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2259046]Maybe Ivanka Trump.[/QUOTE]She gets 2 penalty points because of her daddy LOL.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2259011]Excellent point.
However, I would suggest you take a trip to The Pimp at least once. Blow that 25 K baht in one night and you will see a few on-stage 10's.
https://www.instagram.com/nnimiko/
A sample. There are pics of her workmates too. I am sure there will be many here who will not agree this girl is top notch, that is why its said "beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder".[/QUOTE]For faces, they look pretty good to me. Far above average. Yes some 9's. For bodies, I see quite a lot of disaster area boobies of rather ugly shapes. I would be just as happy in Billboard most likely with the skinny natural girls, although average face standard would be lower overall. Maybe can find about 3 girls in Billboard I would classify as really pretty, but enough if I can get to them. Then depends if they like me or not.
Yes each to their own. I really hate over exaggerated surgeries. Just my desire for the real natural shape and not rock hard coconuts. A good more subtle tit job, yes I can do it. Guys that are big boob crazed (regardless of shape) may see things completely different to me.
I might prefer to blow 3K, 8 times, or 2.5K, 10 times (etc.) over 25k just once, with no guarantee I am going to gel with the girl or get a great fuck, or I just don't appeal to her in any way whatsoever. However I have nothing against those that want to go with an such an expense. There is such a thing as value for money for me. You can tell I never drove a really expensive car, right?
Most of us probably know a hot young pretty thing for 3k or a lot less maybe, right, that performs good enough and is so enjoyable as to do regularly? So as a person who does not get bored with a superior girl so easily, I would do her 8 times, or even overnight bookings, rather than take a chance on one girl. The "Pimp" girl's face might be only 20% better, so to pay many times the cost, does not seem worth it, given I don't have a limitless budget. The Pimp is obviously there for rich guys that can afford it. That is not me any more. I hate the gamble and possible wastage of a large amount.
I already use/waste significant amounts on dependents.
Yes I have a skinny pretty girl with smallish tits, an exquisite fuck. Comes from a super poor family with nothing, needs money badly but has a very reasonable cost. Even if zero English, no problem. I would rather collect these types of girls, and do them very often, rotate them for variety, perhaps with another with big naturals, or alternate between shy girl and wild girl, whatever. LOL
On a tangent, I find Ivanka Trump to be about an 8 to 8.5 for the face, so well above average, not quite perfection.
In the end, most of us just have to weigh up what a girl offers compared to her price (money and time), and decide our preference or priority sequences.
Maybe I am wrong to assume the purpose of the girl is for sex only. However I am not much more complex than that when mongering, maybe a small amount of boozing if in the mood after the sex.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2259010]My GF at home is a 10 plus for Instagram model looks, a 10 plus for performance, a 10 plus for brains, a 10 plus for having a trust fund and a 10 plus for being under 25. That's a 50 plus.
She loses 10 points for leaving my heart in my throat when she punches the accelerator on her M5, 10 points for yelling at other drivers, 10 points for being obsessive about her looks, 10 points for being a know it all, 10 points for making an old man like me perform constantly, 10 points for not being able to cook, 10 points for narcissism, 10 points for bossiness and 10 points for being a Princess. -90.
Thus, she is a minus 40.
Now a skinny pretty woman with no gag reflex who doesn't speak English and charges by the minute. That's a 10. If her daddy owns a liquor store, and she can cook, Ill marry her.[/QUOTE]Wow. What are you doing posting and mongering amongst us low lifes if you have such a gem 10/10 on your hands LOL.
[QUOTE=Bkkdog;2259427]Wow. What are you doing posting and mongering amongst us low lifes if you have such a gem 10/10 on your hands LOL.[/QUOTE]Well I'm here and she's there. Plus she's a minus, remember.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2259365]She gets 2 penalty points because of her daddy LOL.[/QUOTE]Ya, I hate it when girls have a billionaire father.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2257318]Part 2 or Part "Deus".
Honestly, after reading some of these thoughtless discussion about BBFS+CIP, whether game is needed (for the 100th time), and advice on trophy girls in the top Go Go bars (from so called sexperts who don't even step foot inside of them), Monkeypaw is really tempted to immediately instill some useful knowledge to the minds of the mindless. Because for one, it's the Monkeypaw thing to do, correct those who need correction. [/QUOTE]Part 3 The Rat.
This is a continuation of the above report. Sorry it's taken me awhile to finish up, but been I've bit busy sleeping and stuff, well that's until I saw that we've reached #666 for this thread. Then like clockwork, my inner spirit kicks in to fulfill my duty to root out you know what. Something about that number that triggers something inside of me. Guess it is because of who I am and what I was created for. Anyways, let's finish up reporting on my last two weeks in Pattaya, hanging out with FL Hawk, Banana Boi, Lew Ashby, Dart13, and some other guys not a part of this board. So in case you were wondering, it's a "fucking hell yeah," that Monkeypaw is able to come down from wherever, and possibly blend in with you folks. I think I do a good enough job of pretending to live amongst the common folk, just like Clark Kent sort of. But like everybody has always mentioned, there's something different about the Paw and the way the girls treat him. If I told you the actual 100% truth, you'the be either in great awe or in great fear, "if" you believed it was true. I'm glad to see that some off you folks have decided to waive the white flag with the Paw, while a few still try to sneak in a little something now and then. Yep, I take notice to that shit. I enjoy watching you dig yourself a little deeper and deeper until the rain comes, then you'll drown yourselves in all that bullshit. Nonsense that you write about. Until then, keep following my posts, because I know you do, whether you want to admit it or not. Like I mentioned before, when ISG had its glitch in the system that allowed us to see how many number of times our photos and posts were viewed, mine always hit around the 180-200 mark. And trust me, it wasn't because I was doing it myself. Nothing wrong with guys admitting the truth and saying they look forward to a Monkeypaw report or pics, because even I know they are entertaining as fuck! You don't have to worry, my dick doesn't get hard to flattery. I've been used to that shit all my life, so my response is to keep on keeping on.
Back on the topic of girls pics, I wanted to chime in first on some thoughts about the debate on posting them or not. All you have to do is admit the insecurity of your personal selections in girls, if you all you do is talk about others who post and you don't do any of your own. Now if you do post pics, feel free to talk shit to everybody else. You have that right because you are at the top of the food chain. Also, if you really don't give a flying rat's ass about what other guys think, post the damn pics. All the guys I hung out with have pics of the girls they hooked up with on this trip, whether it's, by LINE, Facebook, WeChat, or the camera. Why isn't nobody sharing? IMHO it is because you for some reason think it's "your" girl because you fucked her and there is a rapport. News flash, she is not your girlfriend! They were prostitutes when you met them and prostitutes after you left. And no matter how many other people they fuck, from now until you meet them on your next trip, it's highly unlikely the snugness of their pussies will change. So share that shit, post them pics, tell us where you found them, or at least identify them with some names and numbers. That way if Monkeypaw or anybody finds them to be hot, let us have our chance to stick our dicks in them as well. And please don't give me that I want to protect their safety lame ass shit excuse. Really, that shit is weak. Especially, when the same dudes are sharing and identifying Smooci and massage shop girls. Bar and club girls, not so much. What's the problem?
Are you saying these Go Go bar girls don't have a choice on who they fuck as well? Or you saying the Go Go bar girls aren't smart enough to screen their own customers. Top girls at the bars and way smarter, more cunning, more deceptive, and have much more game than 99.9 % of mongers. These top end girls will make you feel stupid. Ask Lew, ask Phazze93, ask FL Hawk what happened with some of the top girls? The only one that they dislike playing with is the Paw. I don't want sound rude to my acquaintances, but to everybody that I have met, these top girls still have way much more hustle in them than you brought with you. In time maybe you can learn and get better at playing. I feel sorry for the other ones where the average to below averages looking girls can get you to fly half way across the world to pay them for sex. Think about that. But the most stupidest excuse I've heard yet for not sharing pics is the white knight theory that somebody may "out" them. First, they work in a public place that sells sex. Secondly, if you don't know by now, and most of you don't know from your obvious silly comments, this world of sex for sale has unwritten rules. One is get labeled as a "snitch" in a Go Go bar environment is very very bad news for you. Think about how the conversation goes with a white knight snitch and a Go Go bar girl.
White Knight: I know online a website some guy posted pictures of you and said what you do for boom boom. I can show you. (Fumbling through ISG threads).
Go Go girl: Is it good or bad?
White Knight: he say you do this, you do that, and have your photos.
Go Go girl: I work a Go Go. I boom boom customers, that my job. Sometimes I take photos. But I can always choose. So why I need to know?
White Knight: Well, ummm. I just want to show you, err. (Now comes the awkward silence). He say you boom boom no condom.
Go Go girl: What if he lie? Why you tell me? He your friend?
White Knight: Ummm. No, I just want help you.
Go Go bar girl: Help me how?
Good luck answering the last question. See how stupid this conversation is getting and sounds? Congratu-fucking-lations, you just earned a nice jacket as a snitch. Now go wear it proudly because it becomes a part of your reputation wherever you go. Everybody in this P4P industry or any underground non-mainstream lifestyle, hates a snitch. That means you have no game whatsoever and will resort to the lowest, lamest, weakest tactic by tattle telling, thinking it will win you favors with the girls. Nope. You by snitching to the girls are saying that you will "out" anybody if you don't get your way. And there is no good reason why you telling the girl all of this. What's the point? From that moment that you are labeled by the girls as a snitch, they will play you out and have you running home back to your momma broke as a tooth fairy in a house full of meth heads. Trust Monkeypaw on this. This is the world I've learned to live in, full of drugs, sex, violence, and hustle, not some yuppie suburbia where you came from. But the reason I can relate to those who are oblivious to this is because I also spent my some life on your side as well. I excel at both worlds, books smarts combined with of streets and and extra helping of prison smarts. That's why those who have met the Paw always have this feeling as if, '"Monkeypaw comes off as knowing his shit ".
Now, I don't mind sharing pics and pointing out where to find the girls because it doesn't increase the competition for me. I'm confident that if I went into bar with the mindset on a particular girl I was hunting for the night, I will get her no matter who or where she was sitting. Isn't that the definition of a hunt. Are you guys actually "hunting?" Find a target, catch the target, and then nail that target. Or you guys going into a bar and the girls dictate who you end up with. You don't choose them, they choose you. Can't remember how may times, I've asked a guy, "Is that the hottest girl here?" And then they answer back, she's pretty hot. I would then say, "Go for it. " And then, it's excuses after excuses until they end up with an average looking girl who did nothing but smiled at them. Not sure what the hell is registering that cerebral cortex of theirs. A smile = she likes me? That is obvious game by the average looking girls. Because the top ones don't need to smile at anybody. So then comes the realization of the truth, which is a motherfucker. Everybody's 3000 baht is not worth the same amount, so I need to spend more or settle for less in terms of looks. It's like trying to go hunt a lion, but you end up with a half rotted dead fish that had washed ashore. I don't know if I can ever relate to those who fail like this. But feel free to live vicariously through the Paw. To be honest, a few of the girls on this past trip were not better looking than many of those from my previous trips because I am running out of girls. I try my hardest to bang new talent and not repeat. It's how this whole "playboy" thing works. The last thing I want is girls thinking they own me or have me whipped. So I need new girls, that's why I want to see what some of these posters have under these rocks left unturned, when they claim about being with stunners. I admit, I want to fuck your stunners, so point them out because I'm running out of girls to bang. I need some new talent to dick down. I've shown my cards, shared, and now waiting patiently for others to do the same. Or at this point, am I really number fucking one at this game, because I have yet to see or met anyone who can keep up?
To be continued (girls, girls, girls, with pics next).
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2260369]Part 3 The Rat.
This is a continuation of the above report. Sorry it's taken me awhile to finish up, but been I've bit busy sleeping and stuff, well that's until I saw that we've reached #666 for this thread. Then like clockwork, my inner spirit kicks in to fulfill my duty to root out you know what. Something about that number that triggers something inside of me. Guess it is because of who I am and what I was created for. [/QUOTE]Part 4 Girls, girls, girls.
So as promised, form the last report (above). After paying my dues to the legendary slump buster of Soi 6, here is a review of all the girls I fucked on this past trip. I don't take notes like FL, so I try to go by strict memory. But there is enough identifying information in case anybody has an itch to find and play with these girls.
Palace Agogo (IMHO and the opinions of those who regularly frequent Go Go bars still #1 Agogo in Thailand).
1. Natcha (pictured in the red and black bikini next to the water), model, slim, one of best body at Palace, fake tits.
Services rendered: BBBJ, LFK, MPCFS, and COT.
Paid: 2000 barfine, 4 lady drinks, 3000 plus 100 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of story: To be honest, this was just a gratuity fuck to tick off #188, coyote, who used to be her best friend and roommate. More on this later, but the session was just so so and not really anything special or GFE. Sometimes, a little drama is needed to entertain me because I get so bored, so I like to play with all these girl's emotions. I think a few other folks folks can relate as well (wink wink).
2. Mo #101 (not pictured), coyote, short hair, very slim, huge fake tits, and has feather tattoo below her right front shoulder.
Services rendered: GFE, BBBJ, DATY, long intense 45 minutes of 69 ing, DFK, MPCFS, and CIM.
Paid: 1000 barfine, 2 lady drinks, 3000 plus 200 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of story: Seen her over a year now and it's finally her turn to get on this Monkey dick and get a ride of a lifetime. I have always seen her staring at me from the corner of my eye, but I just ignored her because it wasn't her time yet. All these girls need to learn patience and that Monkeypaw will call you whenever he calls you, just wait until your turn. Chill out and keep working those kegel muscles to keep the pussy tight. So she was the girl I told her to wait for me until I come back after 11 pm. Previously FL reported on this girl in case if folks are still wondering if I make this shit up.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2250160]I am sure we visited another club or two, but I have to agree Palace overall was the best. Monkey was patiently waiting on me to pick someone. At Palace, he had previously told the girl he wanted to wait on him, so he was under no time pressure, but it was time for me to fish or cut bait. I said let's go back to Palace, and when we did his girl came over to sit. [/QUOTE]And like a trained dog, Mo did because she has heard the rumors on what happened to the last girl who didn't wait and broke that promise. I also had to run a shit load of game and hustle that was pleasing to her ears to get the session above. I told her that I always liked her. But one time I was sitting with another girl and I pointed to her. The other girl told me, she (Mo) only like farangs, not tattooed up Asians. That was because she had told me that Mo had a bad experience with a Korean guy with tattoos. Of course all this shit was made up on the spot, but it worked like a charm. In the room, I'm sure she would have been agreeable to BBFS from the way she acted, but of course Monkeypaw doesn't roll that way. After our 69 session, I bent her over doggy and she was already grabbing my cock to put in her pussy. I hadn't even pulled out the condom yet. That shit is for the weak and those who have no sense of control of themselves. And clearly, that's not me. Monkeypaw is strong. Good session by a very tiny girl, tits on a stick should be her nickname.
3. Bom #444 (pictured in black panties and bra with tattoo on her neckline), model, fake tits.
Services rendered: BBBJ, DATY, LFK, COT, MPCFS, and decent fuck but not quite GFE.
Paid: 2000 barfine, 2 lady drinks, 3000 plus 100 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of story: Previously about 8 months ago, I saw Bom and thought she was "a new model". She was better looking than most that night awhile back, so I had mamasan bring her over from off stage. She gave me a slight cold shoulder (first drink ordered was tequila shot) and started with some game playing. Within 30 seconds, I realize this girl just lazy and just wanted to get off stage for the time being. I told her before she even finished her shot, "I need you to do me a favor and go back on stage and back to dancing. Keep the drink ticket for your salary, but the tequila is mine. " And with that I took her shot glass and chugged it down. Asshole move or not? Think about that. She called mamasan over and was told that if I wasn't going to buy her anymore drinks, she needs to go back on stage, to which she did, but all mad and angry like hooker who didn't get paid. Later, I found out that she was not new, but a returning popular model that I wasn't aware of. She had been gone over a couple of years, so we were not acquainted at all. Soon after that, when she kept seeing Monkeypaw over and over again at Palace, she of course started inquiring and found out who I was that gave her the boot. She asked around and the girls there talked. This was where the Paw's reputation kicked in. If you are a "hot girl," Monkeypaw would have already fucked you, they told her. I play off of their insecurities like that. She probably told them that I once wanted to barfine her, but of course nobody believed her. So Mom started sending friends over to me that kept pointing her out again, asking "Why don't you barfine her?" I told them shit like, "Her boob job is ugly and sucks. Look at how her nipples point upwards. " And of course, I did that knowing it will get back to her. There were times when she and another model would go around selling tequila off the trays. When they got to me, I would buy her friend one and NOT buy her one. I would tell her friend to drink it slowly in front of me while Bom had to stand there in awkwardness, empty handed. She was getting very upset because she think she is a top 5 model at Palace, and Monkeypaw can make anybody feel bottom of the barrel. Finally, on this night it was around midnight, and I wanted to see if I can make a girl flip with my game. She was nervously dancing in front of me, trying to avoid eye contact with me. And after 8 months of torture, I smiled at her and called her down for a drink. The game and hustle I had to spit at her is legendary and she apologized for the first nighty we met. In the room, during our session I can tell, she would have taken 2 sessions to break. Meaning a second barfine along with, "let me be one of your main girls" would have gotten the full GFE with CIM experience with Bom. She was embarrassed about how she was actually getting super wet and enjoying the experience with a guy that she just wanted to capture as a trophy to impress her model friends. I play that game all the time. I'll keep her on the list in case I get bored again. Now Phazze93's model girl keeps telling him that Bom wants to go with me again. She wants to be in the same class as Fha and Fern as the only 2 models I have taken multiple times at Palace. To that I said, it's all game, maybe next time. I want her to seriously beg for some Monkey love for the second round to happen.
4. Fern #401 (pictured sitting in white bikini) model, slender all natural body.
Services rendered: CBJ, LFK, DATY, MPCFS, non GFE but so much better than the starfish treatment she gave me the first time we went.
Paid: 2000 barfine, 2 lady drinks, plus 1 for her friend (whom I've banged before), 3000 plus 100 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of Story: Fern is number #1 at Palace amongst all the girls in terms of rank. Honestly, she may be the #1 girl of all Walking Street in revenue generated. She is very well known. She gets special treatment from the mamasans because she is able to pull in 45-55 drinks per night just for herself, not even including the drinks for her friends and staff. I did the math and her 500 drinks per 10 day contract puts her salary as a Palace model at around 35,000 for 10 days (13,000 for reaching 50 drinks and 50 baht x 450 for the remaining drinks). Include her take out rate which ranges from 5,000 to 8,000 (1-2 customers) per night and she makes in the range of 85,000 to 115,000 baht per 10 days. This was Monkeypaw and Fern's second time around and it was so much better than the session 5 months ago. You can read up on how it went the first time.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2190364]Last night at Palace I barfined a model #401, named Fern. According to most of the girls there, Fern is one of the top girls if not the top girl in hustling drinks for the bar. The day before, she got 42 drinks from customers. We have seen each other for about 2 years now, but last night was the first time I approached her when I saw her standing alone. She had been on my list to do, but for some reason she and I never connected. Before last night I have already barfined about 10 other models from Palace. Apparently her scheme was just to go and let me barfine her so that it kept he status as one of the top girls there. Meaning it looked odd to the other girls working there that after 2 years, I never took her. I think it's an ego and competition thing amongst the girls at each club. Anyways, she was lame in bed. No BJ, complained too much about everything. Still at least I got her off my check list. Most guys she won't even sit with unless she knows you have lots of money or status. Total damage was 10,000 including drinks, barfine, and for the girl for 3 hours. Wonder if anybody has had better luck with her?
Of note, she does have one of the sexiest slender all natural body in the entire Walking Street.[/QUOTE]So I have to eat my own words here, which I don't mind doing. Just like when I finally went to Windmill and took the hottest one there. It was something I thought I would never do. So after saying I would not repeat with Fern, I did. I was rather lucky that it was her 10th day and she was ending a contract. Fern had made beyond her quota in drinks and was waiting until she could go home at 1 am. She had no intention of going with a customer that night. I saw her sitting alone around midnight, and we chatted a bit before she agreed to go fuck short time. After we finished, she told me she could be "more friendlier" in bed, if I promised only barfine her and no other girls at Palace. She cared less about others on Walking Street clubs. To that, Monkeypaw said, "Nope. " She isn't going to break my spirit and whip me for this one girl one club thing. Don't care of she was top girl in Thailand, not going to happen with the Paw. Even Fern has got to get old eventually. Why not lie and play her out? Because her reputation is very trustworthy amongst the girls at Palace. She has a lot of friends and her word carries a lot of weight, so I rather not make this one angry at me.
5. Fha #434 (pictured in the dark red dress with silver neck choker holding teddy), model, petite, fake tits.
Services rendered: BBBJ, GFE, PSE, 69 ing intense session, DATY, CIM, sex toys, MPCFS, but she tried her damnedest to get me to BBFS.
Paid: 2000 barfine, 4 lady drinks plus one for her friend, and 5000 plus 100 tip for 5 hours.
Rest of story: Fha which means "blue," and ironically also my favorite color, is more of a let me make my drink quota, grab my customer, and go type of girl. So warning, if you are sitting buying her drinks for awhile, be very cautious of her intent not to go. She typically works less than one hour per night, unless she is hustling a shit load of drinks from a sucker. Fha was sort of my number one girl in there and the one model I have repeated with the most. I have used up every hole in that sweet sexy body of hers. IMHO she looks better than Fern, even Banana Boi thinks she may be #1 in terms of looks, but her hustle is not as good as Fern. When she can, she will get her customers to buy her friends drinks as well, but she's not as demanding. She has a bit of a conscience and is not cut throat, unless it's one of those weekend warriors or holiday millionaire customers, which all these girls have NO respect or sympathy for. And Fha doesn't not get along with the mamasans, who would rather she come in early and make the entire club a shit load of money because of her looks. She, instead, takes care of herself first and doesn't need to be popular amongst the girls or mamasans at Palace. The night I took her again, I was sitting with Phazze93 when she came in late. Honestly, I had no intention of grabbing her and even tried to hide from her. That night, as soon as she came in and changed into her bikini, she walked straight towards me and Phazze93 and sat next to me. I offered her the drinks because she has always been good to me. I was to be her first and only customer that night. Her spell on me was that strong, plus it was past 11:30 and I didn't feel like looking around anymore. She wanted to go bar hopping a bit and get drunk for some reason that night, so we strolled to a few other Go Go bars. Then when we finally made it to my room and showered, we had a long chat about life. How she wanted to go away on a vacation and just" tired" of it all. In other words, she lost her Korean sponsor. It was all game by her, even the attempted drunkenness. I was already peeping her out earlier in the night. We then had a long PSE session, were she attempted several times to let me fuck her bare and raw. I told her "no" each time and she started crying. Who does she think she is playing with? Like I mentioned before, Monkeypaw isn't weak and doesn't fall for that shit. Everything ended with a long intense 69 session that had my cum oozing from her mouth, a quick meal of some spicy stir fry noodles, and 100 baht for her taxi ride home. She said she was drunk and begged to sleep over. I ended letting her keep the 100 baht for a tip and used GRAB to get her home. That's straight up, unheard of, Monkeypaw, "playboy" type of shit there. I'm almost positive 99% of you guys would have fallen for that shit, bareback the girl, let her sleep over, and bareback her again the next day. Not sure what to say, but weak is all I can think of. Anyways, Fha must of heard that Fern got a chance to fuck me twice a few nights before and felt threatened. Tsk, tsk, tsk the Paw sometimes knows too much.
6. Mia (I have one a pic of her but it was taken by Lew and has him in it, so I need to wait on his permission), model, short hair last shoulders, nice body, fake tit, so so face.
Services rendered: BBBJ, DFK, MPCFS, no DATY my choice.
Paid: 2000 barfine, 2 lady drinks, 3000 plus 100 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of the story: Mia is a model that has been stalking me for like months on months and I never once bought her a drink. She recently started wearing glasses at work, which I find highly unattractive on her face, not that it is the most loveliest anyways with or without. Her body is banging though, perhaps top 5 body at Palace, in that category. Anyways, Lew Ashby and I ended up hitting Palace way after midnight. I did not want to get stuck with Fha (from above) again, but sure enough, guess who was there when we came in? Thank God, some farang called both of them over for drinks. He was sitting next to us and chatting to Lew Ashby on the ins and outs about Palace, the girls, and such. He was such a Palace expert, while I just sat there quietly, ignoring their conversation. Lew liked Mia, but she did not like his antics. He tried to barfine her but she wasn't having any of that. The customer that Fha and Mia were sitting with bought a shit load of drinks for the two girls and for a few of their friends as well. The bill was over 10,000 baht I believe (he showed Lew) and the night was not over. Then like clockwork, Fha sent Mia over to ask if I wanted to take her out tonight. To which I said, "no" because I see her making drinks for so many of the girls and the club, it would be unfair. What I really meant was "no," I want to find some new pussy that is going to let me fuck and then go in peace. The customer chatting with Lew intended to barfine both of the models, Mia and Fha, so he was racking up a big bill to impress them. It was my last night in Pattaya, so I called Mia over and asked if she wanted to go fuck. Honestly, I know she's friends with Fha, and I need to break that spell that Fha had on me. Mia of course turned to her right and asked Fha in Thai, if it was okay. Fha rolled her eyes at me, but told Mia, it was okay and that I was a good customer. So I bought Mia 2 drinks and paid the barfine. While she was changing, Fha told me that it was fine I took Mia because she has always liked me since she started working. This is all so high-schoolish, but ooh so fun. The farang customer just kind of sat there looking lost at what was transpiring in front of his face. Here he is, buying these two models, their friends, and the mamasans a crap load of drinks (probably reaching 12,000 baht by now) and yet, they are talking to the another customer (me) sitting 5 feet away and not him. On top of that, I only paid for 2 drinks and took one of his two models that he intended to grab. Classic Monkeypaw. I did leave him with Fha, who was my number one girl at Palace as a parting gift. So you see, I'm not greedy at all, nor am I overly jealous. Not sure what ended up happening there with her and him. Like an angel, I played cupid for Lew and he grabbed another model that I knew and fucked when she was at Fahrenheit. On the way out, the customer that was sitting with Fha and bought all the drinks, just gave me a nod, then smiled, and gave me a fist bump. I guess he recognized a true player when he saw one. The session with Mia was weird, too lovey dovey for a first session. She was talking way too much and telling all about her life. I really just wanted fuck her brains out and to break the spell by Fha, not enjoy it too much. But the way that Mia fucks in doggy, I was able to cum in her pussy with the condom on. She knows her angles and her arches. By the way, she demands to be fucked at least an hour or so and she wants to cum badly. She's told me she heard good things about the way I fuck and she is very vocal, telling you exactly what she wants in bed. Thank goodness, Lew was able to take her after I left. That's my excuse now to get rid of Mia. You fucked my buddy, so it's over for us (sniff, sniff, sniff). Best way to do charity.
7. Far (pictured with her photo saying Nongfar with sunglasses on her head), coyote, natural big, perky tits.
Services rendered: BBBJ, DATY, DFK, MPCFS, ANAL, CIM.
Paid: 4000 for an hour, plus 400 for short time room and 2 condoms.
Rest of story: I first met and fucked Far when she worked at Sensations, before she switched to Palace. She is only a part time coyote, so basically she comes in when she wants to but is charged by the bar her first two drinks to work that night and only gets 50 baht per drink afterwards, no salary. Girls who are part time usually come into work to find "holiday boyfriends. " What they do is look and stalk for newbies that are here for a short time holiday. They will go with a customer and give a customer a helluva experience to capture him and sucker him into getting them over and over again. They will often tell the customer that they have to pay their barfine everyday of 1500 so that they do not have to go into work plus 5000 baht per day for the girl. These part time girls will then pocket all that money for themselves and become a "holiday girlfriend" for 3 or 4 days, while going on shopping sprees, to the beach, getting wine and dined, and then fucked. If their hustle is really good, the guy goes back home with the girl constantly on their mind and they can get him to send over some money as well. Or at the least, get the guy to come back soon and take the same girl to do the same shit all over again. Until tonight, I hadn't seen Far for awhile. It had been over 6 months, since I took her from Palace. She came into the bar with a customer but in street clothes, so I assumed she was not working but just visiting friends with one of her "holiday boyfriends. " She saw me and smiled. I quickly LINEd her to say "Hi" and to confirm that she was with one of those "holiday boyfriends. " Long story short, she is one of those few girls that enjoy and know how to anal fuck and it was rare to have her in my sights, so with LINE, I offered her 4000 baht for a quickie (for me that's less than an hour) upstairs. Within minutes, we met outside. She had left her guy inside the club, saying that she needed to go outside to smoke. Not sure what excuse she made up after we were done, but poor old sap looked like he was pussy whipped and will believe anything she will say. We then headed upstairs above Palace to fuck. Far is willing to do ass to mouth, but you have to take off the condom. She knows how to prepare her ass properly and cleanly for a thorough ass plowing. Crazy thing is that the short time hotel offered no tooth brushes and after she finished me with a CIM, Far went back downstairs, and I watched that guy keep kissing her for the next few minutes. Nasty girl, yuck! He's lucky Monkeypaw drinks plenty of pineapple juice and likes to eats fruits.
The rest of these girls do not have much of a story line because it was simply I came, I saw, and I conquered with them. No need to game play because they were all new (besides Miza) or this was the first time they caught my attention. These girls were all the best looking ones at that time, in their respective place of work, and I was able to grab my first choice of girls. Easier than taking a shit after some bad Mexican food.
Baccara Agogo.
1. Miza (pictured black dress with black button in the center with wavy long brown hair), slim, fake tits.
Services rendered: BBBJ, DATY, DFK, MPCFS.
Paid: 1000 barfine, 3000 pus 500 tip for hour and a half, plus 2 lady drinks.
Rest of story: Not quite GFE, but was able to cum while fucking her doggy. She can bang a whole hour with no complaints. Very loud girl that squirms a lot, very Japanese submissive style fuck. So not sure was it faked or what? But still, very fun. This was our second session. First was when she worked at Sensations.
Sensations Agogo.
1. Forgot her name (only girl pictured with two photos hugging my bear), short hair, very pretty Korean style face, slim, petite, with fake tits, and nice ass.
Services rendered: GFE, DFK, PSE, BBBJ NSNQ, DATY, intense 69 ing, sex toys, MPCFS, and CIM.
Paid: 1500 barfine, 5 lady drinks, 5000 plus 100 tip for 5 hours.
Rest of story: Stole her from a group of young Korean guys who she obviously knew from the way they acted. Took her to Palace to show her off and introduce her to the girls and mamasans (in case she wanted a better venue to work) and then to go watch the shows with the guys and their girls at Imagine Club on a very wet and rainy night. Very hot session by a hot girl.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2252216] MP showed up then we left for Sensations, where he bar fined a really cute girl. She was new and she was pretty hot, and he likes to BF the new, hot girls at one of this favorite clubs and show them off. [/QUOTE]What's Up Agogo.
1. Forgot her name (pictured eating my delicious peppered fish and rice), slim, fake tits, nice ass, with a small tattoo above her right boob.
Services rendered: GFE, BBBJ, DATY, DFK, CIM, sex toys, MPCFS.
Paid: 1000 barfine, 4 lady drinks, 3000 plus 200 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of Story: She was a new girl working at What's Up for only 2 weeks but very fun in bed. The girls at What's Up and most bars, have learned to help me get the new girls in exchange for a drink or two. It's our deal. That we have with each other. Call it a professional courtesy. Those who want to pussy block, get Monkeypaw's attention. They end up getting clowned and embarrassed by the Paw. That is well known all over Walking Street. Ruthless.
Shark Agogo.
1. Tipp 636 (not pictured but very cute, slim, with natural average sized perky tits).
Services rendered: BBBJ, GFE, DATY, DFK, MPCFS, CIM.
Paid: 1000 barfine, 4 lady drinks, 3000 plus 200 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of story: Was walking back down Soi 15 to catch a motorbike taxi. I had already had an earlier session with Far in the short time room above Palace. Saw this cute girl holding a sign at Star around 1 am and invited her inside for a drink. Funny thing is she has seen the Paw for over a year walking with "many many girls" as she puts it because Soi 15 is often where we catch our motorbikes taxis. Nice session by a new cute girl.
Nightwish Bar.
1. Tan (black blouse and long black hair).
Services rendered: BBBJ, DFK, MPCFS, CIM.
Paid: 1000 plus 200 tip for an hour, 3 lady drinks plus 400 for short time room.
Rest of story: Only cute girl there slim with fake tits. Of note, I've always found CIM as pretty standard for me at Soi 6 bars. I've taken like 7 girls ever from Soi 6 and always had a CIM finish. Hell, they even have BJ bars on Soi 6. So if you are getting rejected or aren't getting CIM at a BJ bar on Soi 6, you have some serious issues, Or unless that whole BBFS reputation is biting you right in the ass. So, not too wise to be a fool and go around asking girls for BBFS in a closed environment like that beforehand. Even a newbie would know that if the girl tells you "no," and her friends asked her what's the problem with him (this is Soi 6 mind you, where nobody gets rejected), it won't take long for that BBFS jacket to get placed on you. The whole Soi 6 will know in no time at all. I bet the girls like that and have no problem pointing you out wherever you go.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2252305] I met up with MP at Night Wish and he chose to BF a lady from there, but despite it being a busy night, I saw no one else that I particularly wanted to BF. I did stop is to say Hello, to Jin at Horny Bar. She was feeling ill, and she looked ill.[/QUOTE]Toy Box.
1. Nam (not pictured).
Services rendered: BBBJ, DFK, MPCFS, CIM.
Paid: 1000 plus 100 tip for an hour, 3 lady drinks plus 400 for short time room.
Rest of story: Cutest girl there at the time, but one shower room shared for the entire hallway is just nutty. Some old dude walked in the bathroom as I was showering. Rooms are crappy, but the fuck was decent. Credit card acceptance there is a life saver with 1000 minimum.
Sabai Room.
1. Girl #56 (not pictured).
Services rendered: Typically soapy experience, but did do a short BBBJ in tub, LFK, DATY, MPCFS, COB.
Paid: 2500, plus 200 tip, plus 1 drink.
Rest of story: #56 has one of the prettiest faces I've seen since mongering, decent body with huge fake tits. Besides the BBBJ in the tub, typical soapy experience. She was smiling at me the day I went with BB and Phazze93, but gone when we finished touring the other soapies upon my return to grab her. So I just came back the next day and bang the shit out of that pussy.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2252786] Sabai Room was next. Not a great lineup but it had 2 nice girls. These turned out to be the prettiest soapie girls we saw. I didn't write down the numbers but off the top of my head they were 28 and 56. [/QUOTE]To be continued.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2259011]Excellent point.
However, I would suggest you take a trip to The Pimp at least once. Blow that 25 K baht in one night and you will see a few on-stage 10's.
https://www.instagram.com/nnimiko/
A sample. There are pics of her workmates too. I am sure there will be many here who will not agree this girl is top notch, that is why its said "beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder".[/QUOTE]Absolute not my style of girl. Her body is great of course, but the face is rather plain. More like the style that Japanese and Korean guys would like. The are many ladies. Even in Soi Cowboy. That have a far more attractive face. And with a body to match.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2261871]Absolute not my style of girl. Her body is great of course, but the face is rather plain. More like the style that Japanese and Korean guys would like. The are many ladies. Even in Soi Cowboy. That have a far more attractive face. And with a body to match.[/QUOTE]No the face is not at all rather plain.
Ha ha. Tastes vary obviously. Can you post your style of face? I thought the face was very good but not impressed by lump shape of the fake boobies.
[QUOTE=Aviator12;2261871]Absolute not my style of girl. Her body is great of course, but the face is rather plain. More like the style that Japanese and Korean guys would like. The are many ladies. Even in Soi Cowboy. That have a far more attractive face. And with a body to match.[/QUOTE]When I first moved to Thailand my tastes were similar to yours. Boy has that changed. As one friends Thai wife once said, "When farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " She's kind of spot on. Once that switch flips you will look at the gals on Cowboy and wonder how you were ever attracted to them. Believe me, it'll happen to you.
When I am on Cowboy, which is a rare event, I can pick the northern gals (Chiang Mai, Chaing Rai, etc) from the Isaan gals instantly. There are very few northern gals, but they are the only ones that work for me these days.
I know this is a stupid question, that's why in this thread.
I sit on the corner of Cowboy and watch guys going past with their girl, unfortunately clothed of course. Which guys are with the prettiest girls? The number of times a Japanese guy (or Koren or Singapore) etc. Has a girl that impresses me with her looks is moderately high, if we ignore the lady boys and the ones with too much surgeries (for my taste). Quite common for me to think, fuck, where did he find that girl? Looks pretty hot.
Yet with Farangs walking past, the frequency I am impressed is significantly lower. Maybe the Farangs are choosing more raunchy girls. I guess the frequency of Asian guys in total is probably out-numbering the Farangs, but the point is still there. I think the Asian guys have overall better taste. Maybe they are coming up with high amounts of money for some Coyote girl, since I don't get to know where the girl came from. Maybe she is no good on the bed. Maybe she is not even from Cowboy at all. I am going by looks alone.
The number of girls walking on cowboy on the arm of an East Asian guy, that impress me for looks is even higher than Thermae girls, for both faces and body. Thermae girls are notorious for conservative dress hiding the body.
Yet I go in the Cowboy bars and fail to find so many good looking girls. That is why I start to suspect these impressive girls are not from Cowboy.
I admit my tastes in Thai girls have changed a lot in 27 years. Most of my pics of Thai girls from yesteryear don't impress me much any more. The odd exception. I became more fussy, for sure. My taste for very natural looking girls would still be very much classified as a Farang one, but still I do admire many classy girls with classy East Asian guys. I don't do well competing with those East Asian guys (e.g. in the Thermae), so I have to normally pick girls that prefer Farangs, if any pretty ones are left over.
I do like Issan girls, providing they are extra pretty. No bias toward Northern or southern girls. No prejudice and skin colour not a factor. Evaluate each girl on her own merits. All my regular girls these days are Issan, Lao, Khmer, Bangkok, etc. Have had some really great Northern girls in the past, especially in soapies (don't find many in the gogos), just none at present. The best three girls I ever had at Crazy House (best looking too: Nut, Donut, and May-Lee), I don't even remember where they came from. Wasn't that important, or my bad memory setting in. All long gone now and I get bored in this bar now.
Before for I start, Monkeypaw would like to point out this simple fact. Some folks on here have been playing checkers, while the Paw has been playing chess. Look at a couple of responses to this quote from Aviator12 about the girl in question previously posted by Blanquiceleste.
"Absolute not my style of girl. Her body is great of course, but the face is rather plain. More like the style that Japanese and Korean guys would like. The are many ladies. Even in Soi Cowboy. That have a far more attractive face. And with a body to match. " -Aviator12.
And the responses he got:
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2262767]I know this is a stupid question, that's why in this thread. I sit on the corner of Cowboy and watch guys going past with their girl, unfortunately clothed of course. Which guys are with the prettiest girls? The number of times a Japanese guy (or Koren or Singapore) etc. Has a girl that impresses me with her looks is moderately high, if we ignore the lady boys and the ones with too much surgeries (for my taste). Quite common for me to think, fuck, where did he find that girl? Looks pretty hot.
Yet with Farangs walking past, the frequency I am impressed is significantly lower. Maybe the Farangs are choosing more raunchy girls. I guess the frequency of Asian guys in total is probably out-numbering the Farangs, but the point is still there. I think the Asian guys have overall better taste. -SNIP [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2262762]When I first moved to Thailand my tastes were similar to yours. Boy has that changed. As one friends Thai wife once said, "When farangs first come to Thailand their eyes don't work. " She's kind of spot on. Once that switch flips you will look at the gals on Cowboy and wonder how you were ever attracted to them. Believe me, it'll happen to you. -SNIP [/QUOTE]Funny thing is that Monkeypaw already knew this and when I pointed this out (almost a year ago), I received nothing but backlash and arguments. Lots of anger. What's up with that? I guess the old saying that "the truth hurts," really does hurt and stings more when it came from Monkeypaw. With just a handful of posts back then. But even then, didn't some of you folks just get the hint that "this guy sorta knows his shit?" Now today, thanks to this awesome memory bestowed by God, I really enjoy saying this almost a year later, with the utmost pleasure, "I told you so. " The tortoise will always win over the hare when it comes to "race," because of the simple fact that one has a life span of 150 years, while the other just 7 years. When you try play this game or "race," it is all about the long run. I think you may be finally getting it. People don't know jack shit until finally the truth is revealed to them. Count yourself lucky, because others will never know the truth. The following post was from the Paw back in January. Checkmate.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2131330]SNIP- And besides, statistically speaking Asians, not most westerners, are usually the best judge for what counts as beauty in Asian culture. It's the same like everywhere in the world. I've seen so many Westerners on their first trip to an Asian country and pay for sex with the most below average looking Asian hooker. I ask if they would have pay for sex with street crack working girls in the USA? They say "no way. " I say back. "Why are you doing that here in Thailand?[/QUOTE]Part 5: Palace Girls Versus the Paw.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2261180]Part 4 Girls, girls, girls.
So as promised, form the last report (above). After paying my dues to the legendary slump buster of Soi 6, here is a review of all the girls I fucked on this past trip. I don't take notes like FL, so I try to go by strict memory. But there is enough identifying information in case anybody has an itch to find and play with these girls.
Palace Agogo (IMHO and the opinions of those who regularly frequent Go Go bars still #1 Agogo in Thailand).
1. Natcha (pictured in the red and black bikini next to the water), model, slim, one of best body at Palace, fake tits.
Services rendered: BBBJ, LFK, MPCFS, and COT.
Paid: 2000 barfine, 4 lady drinks, 3000 plus 100 tip for 2 hours.
Rest of story: To be honest, this was just a gratuity fuck to tick off #188, coyote, who used to be her best friend and roommate. More on this later, but the session was just so so and not really anything special or GFE. Sometimes, a little drama is needed to entertain me because I get so bored, so I like to play with all these girl's emotions. I think a few other folks folks can relate as well (wink wink). -SNIP
[/QUOTE]So it's story time again, and as promised, more on the above Natcha from Palace (pictured with tattoos in the red and black bikini and also pictured in the middle wearing black top with three girls in the photo). Now, I can't say enough about Palace, but Monkeypaw can't wait for the holidays to be over with. Then I can get my ass back to Thailand at the end of December for an extended two month stay this time and a non stop fuckathon. Maybe this turn, I'll spend a week or so in Bangkok before heading to Pattaya. Back on the topic about Palace. It's like Candyland for grown ups, with so much games and hustle, that it makes the Man from Iran's Bars in Soi Cowboy look shabby when it comes to scams. The biggest difference is that it is always packed at peak hours with customers and hot girls. Unlike those other bars at Soi Cowboy. So not only do you get a chance to play with the girls but against the guys as well. Good luck to anybody going there. Just ask Lew Ashby how Fern #401, made him feel after he called her down for a drink. By the way, Lew isn't old, farang, fat, or cheap, but it didn't matter to Fern. She sat to his left and while the Paw was sitting to his right. But I did warn him ahead of time that she is #1 girl at Palace and not easy to at all. But take some refuge in the fact that out of respect for the Paw, even though she ignored him completely, she only took Lew for 1 drink, which wasn't even finished before she got bored and walked away. Fern didn't even excuse herself. Lew Ashby turned to me and said, "She didn't even say Hello, ask me my name, or anything at all. " I only smiled at him and said back, "Welcome to Palace and trying to play with the trophy girls. " We then both watched as Fern took 4 drinks plus another 2 for her friends from the next guy, who sat across from us. He was also young, Asian, and had lots of money as well. She did it less than 10 minutes and walked away from him. The look on his face when the waitress then handed him a 1300 baht bill for 10 minutes of her company was priceless. He got upset, paid the bill, and walked out of Palace a bit angry. He might as well have gone into Moulin Rouge and got played with the Russian girls. Phazze93, also hit that same wall when he called #174 down for a drink. She just sat there, smiled a bit, and got up and left after a few sips of her Coke.
[QUOTE=Phazze93;2256387] SNIP- EXCEPT #174 at Palace. Who seemingly has also turned down everyone else on this board LOL. If anyone manages to get her. Share please. Cheers you fuckers.[/QUOTE]Actually the Paw was given the choice to barfine her to take her out awhile back. It was agreed to just be limited to only barhopping and dining. Not sure it was game by her to limit what the rest of the club knows or doesn't know. About what she does outside the club. But for 1500 barfine plus 3000 baht for her wasn't worth the risk, just so that Monkeypaw can hold the title as being the only guy to ever take her out of the club. If she stuck to the terms, almost 5000 baht was just wasted out the door. But guess we will never know. Good luck for anybody thinking that game is not required and it's all about money. Yes, this includes young Asian guys as well. So keep on thinking that it is easy as see a girl, buy a drink, and barfine and fuck with the better looking girls at the go go bars. Like I said before, these top girls are pros at spotting out weekend warriors and holiday millionaires, their favorite guys to hustle and break. Have you ever seen the Thai girls make the double "O" with both their hands and other girls stick their fingers inside of it, followed by the hands toss over the shoulders? They usually do this when they are barfined and on the way out the door with their customer. It is the universal sign for "I've got a sucker. " he fucks me, while I fuck him out of his money, his family, and his life and then throw his ass away. Thank God, I've reached a point where they don't do that shit with their hands to me. I think they know Monkeypaw plays back harder and better than they do. How, you ask? My game is better, so I win.
Like I said before, Monkeypaw is still #1 for Palace and Palace is #1 in Thailand. Yep, it's transitive effect for all those that passed algebra, if A=be and be=see, then true as well is A=see. Get the picture? Sorry to interrupt for this important announcement: My favorite color is still "blue. " And because it's blue, evil and chaos always seem to follow me wherever I go. But it's okay, I'm strong and like the Energizer bunny, I am built to last and keep on going, and going, and going. Girls at Palace and most all bars are always in competition with one another. Who makes the most money, who gets the most customers, who gets the most drinks, who is the most popular? Natcha has always considered herself a top 5 at Palace. She comes in at around midnight and typically on works for an hour to hawk out a customer, preferably a sponsor type, and milk him for everything. She was a ways down the list for me because for 1, I did not like hunting past midnight and 2, I've always thought she was too "fake" in terms of looks. Don't get me wrong, her body is banging and one of the best I've seen, but the rest of her didn't appeal to me until after I've already barfined and fucked over 40 or so girls at Palace. She was was never worth me having to come back late night past midnight to Palace and risk running into Fha #434. To her and most of the girls at Palace and on Walking Street, Monkeypaw is seen as a trophy they desire. It's not that I'm the most handsome, have the nicest body, buy the most drinks, or pay the most money. It's my aura, my reputation, and my spirit they want to break. All the girls at Palace act like huntresses, and I'm the legendary winged lion, Cazrameck, that they hope to capture. The word at Palace is that if Moneypaw picks you to play with him, then consider yourself one of the hotter girls or better looking ones amongst the rest. Girls need validation, but "only" from those qualified to give it. Some random schmuck of a customer calling a girl in a bar "beautiful or pretty" doesn't quite cut it for them. Who the hell are you? Honestly, do you think if you have no style, bad hygiene, or don't take care of your body that your opinion counts to them? They are want that money, unless you are the Paw. Put yourself in their shoes and empathize. If an unflattering person tries to flatter you, do you take their words seriously? They need their point to be proven to other girls by someone who everybody knows and whose opinion they respect. If your dog likes your cooking that's one thing, but if Chef Gordon Ramsay says it's delish, jack-fuckihg-pot! That's Monkeypaw for you. The girls know, play real hard, capture the Paw, make him yours and you have done something that no other girl has done before. And of course, it's all about bragging rights at Palace amongst the girls.
Before the night that I took Natcha, she's always been terrified to look at the Paw in the eyes. She had heard the stories. He's picky, he's an ass, he criticizes and tears down girls' looks, if he doesn't like something about you and you try to hustle him. In other words if a dancer comes at me for a drink and Monkeypaw "politely" declines, but she keeps at it, trying to make me feel cheap or guilty, then she gets ripped a new asshole to the sound of, "I don't like how your nose job looks. You need to go back to Bangkok and ask the doctor for a refund. " She then will leave me alone forever, unless she gets drunk and tries to kick me (yes that's happened before). Lord forbid she tells another girl what I said, because it always has some truth to it. The other girls already know the aesthetic facts about their co-worker's face, but now they also know, "This guy can tell a good nose job from a bad nose job. Hmmm. I wonder what he thinks about me?" One of my favorite things to do to impress the girls is to look at their boob jobs and guess exactly how many CC's it is. They are amazed at how accurate or close I come. Once again, Monkeypaw is building his reputation as somebody who knows what beauty is or at least in their eyes what to should be. And he pays attention to details. Awhile back, I had taken her best friend #188 (pictured on the right with the Supergirl outfit, with a white dress on the right of Natcha wearing the black top in the pic with 3 girls, and leaning down, hand in the chin with the pic full of girls). She has been the only girl I let sleep with me from Palace and we went to grab lunch the next day. I was drunk that night, and like a witch, she almost had me spelled. She was that close to capturing Monkeypaw and getting bragging rights at Palace. She told everybody at Palace that I took her long time and fed her the next day. I didn't like that at all. Don't know how many times I've heard girls tell me, "You cooked for that one (another girl), why not me or you let her sleep with you, why not me?" Now, I try to not get drunk as much, because all it does is lead me down a path of "no good" and bareback sex that is not worth the drama. #188 and Natcha belong to a popular click of girls at Palace that have been with and trophied Monkeypaw. As you can see from the photos included, every girl that has the cute monkey logo has been Monkeypawed (which means tied down to the bed and fucked in all sorts of ways with my dick and sex toys) until they cum repeatedly and some even squirt everywhere. They of course don't share those details with each other because it better left untold. All they know is that they heard rumors that I have gone with one of their best friends in their circle. You should see the look on "all" their faces when I show up in a club with brand new pretty girl from another go go bar and they happen to be having birthday party, and everybody is in attendance. The feeling I get when I can walk into an environment, command attention via looks and stares from girls, knowing what I've done to them, is amazing. Perhaps you can relate, or maybe not. But that type of shit makes me feel inhuman in good way. Reminds me of when my father enrolled me at an all woman's university (almost all), just to learn from, play with, and bang girls. Too easy.
The drama at the club happened on several occasions. Of course, I do the Monkeypaw thing that needs to be done each time, which is smile at all the girls, wink at all of them, kiss the new girl I brought to the club in front of them, and then tell the waiter to send over to them a new bottle of Black Label and put it under my tab. Everything I do has a connection leading back to me. Most are not even aware what's happening. They just feel at this moment, it's very awkward and something is going on to make them feel either special, silly, or stupid. It's the Paw effect on folks. Anyways, Monkeypaw then let's them sulk in the drama and confusion for the rest of the night. Watching them kind of looking at one another and wonderig "why I sent the free bottle over and who did what with me," is priceless. I tell you the stuff I do is "legendary. " They love it and hate it at the same time. The last one in those group photos to be fucked by me was Natcha. She was the very last for that reason that I had a feeling and knew she wasn't going to be that great in bed. And sure enough she was just so so. To her I was just a trophy. Since I fucked all of her friends, she wanted to be in the "Monkeypaw Fucked Me" club as well. I took solace in then fact that by taking her, I was getting back at #188 for almost gaming me out previously. Monkeypaw revenge, plus I was able to take in my daily 90 minutes of cardio in fucking Natcha, is a two for one deal. Anyways, with that fuck, the Paw broke up their friendship and now the girls don't talk to each other anymore. They were already on shaky ground anyways. Boo hoo, cry me a river. In P4P, there is no loyalty and if you think about it, the whole world is one giant P4P isn't it? No such thing as free sex. Think about that, only the highly intelligent will understand that statement. Monkeypaw and my kind are known or will be known to break up families, friends, or any other bonds you can think of without hesitation, but all for the sake of this thing called good. Natcha and her friends is not the first time that I've done that to with a tight knit group of girls. I've done that with the girls from Rainbow inside Nana, pictured in the white dresses, aside from the birthday girl in black. Each girl who has the monkey logo has been dicked down and thrown away. All those girls worked in Nana and are besties with one another. In one picture, Monkeypaw showed up with the girl wearing the black dress standing on the left side with her arms folded. Just like Rudolph, the other girls didn't let her participate in any reindeer games. You can see that in the photo. Even then, we still took the table next to them. I bought them a bottle because it was the center girl, Nam Cha, in black dress, birthday. Then Monkeypaw watched the jealousy worked its magic through the entire group of girls. Crazy that I can walk up to a group of girls who are supposed to be good friends and say, "I fucked you, I fucked you, I fucked you, and so on and so on. " Also I played a little drunk, so I can flirt with the entire table and be able to get away with it by blaming the alcohol. I took several opportunities to tell certain girls how great a fuck they were previously, while others listen in. Creating tenison is so much fun sometimes. But technically, all I was doing is telling the truth and being charitable. Nothing wrong with that. It's their own ego that often makes people upset. Monkeypaw was fine and having a blast, just like my time spent on this board with you folks keeping me entertained.
To be continued.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2264213]Funny thing is that Monkeypaw already knew this and when I pointed this out (almost a year ago), I received nothing but backlash and arguments. Lots of anger. What's up with that? I guess the old saying that "the truth hurts," really does hurt and stings more when it came from Monkeypaw. With just a handful of posts back then. But even then, didn't some of you folks just get the hint that "this guy sorta knows his shit?" Now today, thanks to this awesome memory bestowed by God, I really enjoy saying this almost a year later, with the utmost pleasure, "I told you so. " The tortoise will always win over the hare when it comes to "race," because of the simple fact that one has a life span of 150 years, while the other just 7 years. When you try play this game or "race," it is all about the long run. I think you may be finally getting it. People don't know jack shit until finally the truth is revealed to them. Count yourself lucky, because others will never know the truth. The following post was from the Paw back in January. Checkmate.[/QUOTE]Actually MP, I have posted this quote several times; the first time perhaps 10 plus years ago, so it is you that are late to the party! All in fun there sir! Another anecdote you might like. We were in Thermae in about '08 and got to talking to a Japanese guy who owned a club in Tokyo. He spoke excellent English and was a hoot to talk with. After a few minutes he asked us which girls we were attracted to. We pointed a few out and he looked perplexed and said, "You have good taste. " Then he said, "Do you mind if I ask you a question?" No, of course we said. To which he replied, "Why do white guys like girls that look like monkeys?" We laughed and I told the story of my friend's gal who make the statement I quoted in the post. It's simple; when we first come here our eyes don't work, but once they do, it's a eye opener. Literally!
The what's "hot / attractive" to Asian eyes. Or farang eyes. Etc is a speculative exercise in stupidity although one can have some fun playing it.
What does it really matter to the white guy who's happy with his girl's looks if the Asian guy thinks she's a dog?? (or monkey?) And vice versa?
That's putting aside the other great factor (sometimes the greatest) which is body and the type of body the guy will be attracted to. Personality and "raunchiness" is another factor, though unrelated to looks.
Then, there is the "sexy" vs "beautiful" debate. Those two adjectives, though similar are not identical.
I've had these arguments / discussions with many Koreans.
One of the most lively was always their claim that the (young) Lucy Liu was ugly. Or at least average at best.
My personal tastes generally speaking run counter to most Asian guys (for e.g. I like darker skinned Thai girls and darker skin generally). to which I say - that's good for me.. and them.
P.S. at the risk of being over "generalizing", I will say that Asian tastes are vulnerable to "herd instinct"(s). For e.g. if one girl will be considered "beautiful" to say 3 Koreans, odds are she will be considered "beautiful" to 95 out of a 100 of them. This would not be the same in a group of farangs.
pp.s. I will say I admire Mr. Paw's taste in women. Very facially attractive girls. But he's into plastic tits for e.g. which are almost an immediate turn off for me. Vive la difference
[QUOTE=Catire;2264579]The what's "hot / attractive" to Asian eyes.[/QUOTE]Rich Thai women have told me the AAsian spinners look like that as a punishment for what they got up to in a previous life. I asked an Isaan LBFM how many Thais she had serviced. The answer was one (tuk tuk drivers excluded).
All other factors kick in. Brown = working under the sun = poor. Africans like their heifers big and meaty. We like little Barbie dolls as we can look alpha.
One thing: poor women seem to be better animals in bed as richer sisters are trained not to let themselves go.
Observing what kind of women men choose while mongering tells you very little about their "taste" in women generally or what level of beauty they are used to enjoying in the real world back home.
Let's call it the Hugh Grant and Elizabeth Hurley vs Devine Brown Syndrome. LOL. Maybe do a Google Search on the names if you aren't familiar with that story. It is a common, classic human nature story, BTW.
It is entirely possible that Caucasian monger you see with less than beautiful dates married the Prom Queen back home or dated almost nothing but starlets, models and beauty contest winners. So he has had his fill of vacuous porcelein princesses and is now directing his "very good taste" in women in a different direction. Namely, more pleasures in the bed.
By contrast, it is entirely possible that Asian punter you see with "top quality" lookers could not get a girl above a 5 to so much as look at him in the real world back home. So now his mongering money is devoted to puchasing head-turners he can strut around in hopes of finally having someone at his side that will impress other men, the lousy sex he his getting with his expensive dates be damned.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2264610]Observing what kind of women men choose while mongering tells you very little about their "taste" in women generally or what level of beauty they are used to enjoying in the real world back home.
Let's call it the Hugh Grant and Elizabeth Hurley vs Devine Brown Syndrome. LOL. Maybe do a Google Search on the names if you aren't familiar with that story. It is a common, classic human nature story, BTW.
It is entirely possible that Caucasian monger you see with less than beautiful dates married the Prom Queen back home or dated almost nothing but starlets, models and beauty contest winners. So he has had his fill of vacuous porcelein princesses and is now directing his "very good taste" in women in a different direction. Namely, more pleasures in the bed.
By contrast, it is entirely possible that Asian punter you see with "top quality" lookers could not get a girl above a 5 to so much as look at him in the real world back home. So now his mongering money is devoted to puchasing head-turners he can strut around in hopes of finally having someone at his side that will impress other men, the lousy sex he his getting with his expensive dates be damned.[/QUOTE]This is an interesting, and apt observation, although I would be careful with generalizing / suggesting that most Asian punters have wives / gfs of "5" while farangs have "prom queens".
Even those kinds of rating are highly speculative. For e. G. I generally hate the typical "golfer" wife / GF. Most farang, especially Americans consider them the prototypical "prom queens".
[QUOTE=Catire;2264616]This is an interesting, and apt observation, although I would be careful with generalizing / suggesting that most Asian punters have wives / gfs of "5" while farangs have "prom queens".
Even those kinds of rating are highly speculative. For e. G. I generally hate the typical "golfer" wife / GF. Most farang, especially Americans consider them the prototypical "prom queens".[/QUOTE]I don't think I was generalizing that way.
However, I will generalize in another way that applies to my point; the Japanese women I have dated were without a doubt the most sexually accommodating women I have had from any country. But I think Thai women by and large are better looking in body and face than Japanese women. So here we have Japanese punters choosing Thai P4P girls by putting a premium on their looks while at the same time the rap on them is they expect and demand far less sexually from their hookers than their Caucasian counterparts.
I do believe many of those Japanese dudes are buying here what they aren't used to getting in the real world back home in terms of better proprtioned bodies and more symetrical faces. And for the most part they are not particularly starving for great sex.
[QUOTE=Catire;2264579]The what's "hot / attractive" to Asian eyes. Or farang eyes. Etc is a speculative exercise in stupidity although one can have some fun playing it.
What does it really matter to the white guy who's happy with his girl's looks if the Asian guy thinks she's a dog?? (or monkey?) And vice versa?[/QUOTE]I agree. Makes no sense to chase after the next man's standard of beauty. That shit changes with the times and places and is purely subjective. In the western world fat women used to be the standard of beauty. It is still that way in many places in Africa.
I tend to like my Asians darker and my Latinas lighter. That is not to say that I shy away from either side. (Besides, my dad's family is darker, and my mom's family is lighter, so no prejudice from me.) I just go with the flow, not seeking out a single type. I like whoever likes me.
My first recollection of a Thai girl was when I was less than 10 years old and my uncle had a Penthouse magazine under his mattress. Inside, there was a dark skinned Thai chick and she looked so beautiful to me. On my roster I have chicks from ghostly white to dark chocolate around the world. There is nothing that makes one better than the other. Besides, monkeys are cute! Nobody ever goes around saying that was one ugly ass monkey.
Maybe your grandfathers didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground:
[URL]https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2012/03/07/exotic-dancers-in-1890-and-the-plump-body-ideal/[/URL]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2264632]Maybe your grandfathers didn't know their ass from a hole in the ground
[/QUOTE]I hate seeing picks of supposedly "hot" women from yesteryear. More likely they were just raunchy types. Mostly very plain faces and too voluptuous for me. Fat thighs for example. Looks have changed a lot. I notice that more 20 YO girls can be better looking than they were when I was 20, even I have got much fussier. So I see the change of looks even since 40 years ago.
Why do I like exotic darker skinned slim model types with cute little upturned nose, and nice gap between the legs accentuating a peachy high ass? No idea why and who cares. Just that is what looks sexy to me.
Actually I have no prejudice against light skinned girls as long as not too pale. Ha ha. Light skinned red heads are more than acceptable, even with freckles.
Still great I can find young hot Thai girls (for my spec) that need me to fuck them (for economic reasons) but still can enjoy the sex too, even the guy is older than their father. Poorly educated, maybe low English, often single mothers where a 10 K per month waitress job is not enough to pay the bills and support other family members. They desperately need a sugar daddy or 3.
In general MPaw has fairly good taste but you can't get all pretty girls in a group pic. Of those latest pics, the first girl has ugly implants, and maybe only one or two of those girls in the whole set would interest me. Actually it is not easy to be sure from the odd still pic. The number of extremely pretty girls in any place is likely to be quite low, and heaps of average girls. Other places have heaps of below average girls. In second last set, I like the 2nd last girl in black, and maybe the pole dancer. Nongfar O.K. too. So that is a reasonable overlap. MP accepts obvious surgeries much more than I would, clearly. Surgeries can make girls look a little strange (unnatural plastic dolls) to me.
Billboard has a fairly hot line up but still I only find a small number to be really pretty. I think when I was 35, I was happy with any reasonable looking girl that wanted to fuck me, since coming from a bad situation in the home country made me easier to please.
I believe that having a pretty Thai GF with slim hot body for the last 13 years has helped reset my taste in Thai girls. I don't take average looking girls any more. They have to look special in some way and too many defects are hard to take. Only a certain amount of compromise becomes possible. Wearing a fucking condom is a big compromise already. Can I do a girl with body or face well behind the GF standard? Not really. Not that desperate to get the dick in a hole any more. More excitement is needed.
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Why do I like exotic darker skinned slim model types with cute little upturned nose, and nice gap between the legs accentuating a peachy high ass?
....[/QUOTE]I like the "high ass" look too. Upturned nose, upturned ass, upturned tits. And the void between the legs. Ideally you should be able to look at the sunset between a girl's thighs. The light triangle (different from the bush triangle). I'll post a real example of the high ass effect later in the foreign workers thread.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2264632]I tend to like my Asians darker and my Latinas lighter. That is not to say that I shy away from either side. (Besides, my dad's family is darker, and my mom's family is lighter, so no prejudice from me.) I just go with the flow, not seeking out a single type. I like whoever likes me.[/QUOTE]I am kind of the opposite. I like my Asians lily white and my Latinas and whites nicely tanned.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2264892]I am kind of the opposite. I like my Asians lily white and my Latinas and whites nicely tanned.[/QUOTE]Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, how a guy wanting white skin can like western girls tanned. Okay With Latinas you are probably stuck with dark skin, no choice, so that I can follow.
Western girls should not try to get tanned, dries out the skin and makes them age quickly, plus skin cancers etc. Most Asians are far more sensible and try to stay out of the sun. So their natural colours are acceptable to me.
I don't care about skin or hair colour much. The green girl Zoe Saldana in "Guardians of the Galaxy" or the blue Mystique (Rebbeca Romijn) with orange hair would be fine for me if smoothed out the skin so she does not look alien. Helps they have fab sleek but curvy bodies. Seven of 9, always fabulous for my taste, so sleek, slim face, cute little nose. Looks less alien than most of the Bangkok surgeries girls to me. Despite strange colours, these girls don't have weird noses or tits or chin, etc.
Not so keen on the new Mystique (Jennifer Lawrence). Not quite my type.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2265294]Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, how a guy wanting white skin can like western girls tanned.[/QUOTE]Does taste have to make sense?
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2265294]Doesn't seem to make a lot of sense, how a guy wanting white skin can like western girls tanned. Okay With Latinas you are probably stuck with dark skin, no choice, so that I can follow. Western girls should not try to get tanned, dries out the skin and makes them age quickly, plus skin cancers etc. Most Asians are far more sensible and try to stay out of the sun. So their natural colours are acceptable to me. I don't care about skin or hair colour much. .[/QUOTE]Like eggs, I prefer mine sunny side up. A perky bum, jauntily stuck up at a 45 degree angle to ease anal entry, then allowing her to lie down and on thee side before bonking her like a pin ball machine. Bonking from the back not only puts one in control but avoids having to look too long at the face or, indeed, to do a passport check.
My taste vary. Sometimes a strong legged woman who'd be good in the rice paddy if she could consider working for a living. Other times, a little snub nose Barbie type who'd be no good working in a rice paddy but who makes up for it by rodeo romping.
Much like alcohol. Cheap beer, cheap wine but good wine for good occasions.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2265294]Seven of 9, always fabulous for my taste, so sleek, slim face, cute little nose.[/QUOTE]Jeri Ryan (Seven of 9), one of my all time favourites. Stunning and a great actresses.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2265653]Jeri Ryan (Seven of 9), one of my all time favourites. Stunning and a great actresses.[/QUOTE]Mine too. But I always wondered what the other eight looked like.
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It is entirely possible that Caucasian monger you see with less than beautiful dates married the Prom Queen back home or dated almost nothing but starlets, models and beauty contest winners. So he has had his fill of vacuous porcelein princesses and is now directing his "very good taste" in women in a different direction. Namely, more pleasures in the bed.
[/QUOTE]While I can understand somewhat, not the case for me. I expect all my Thai girls to be better looking than my ex Farang wife, and be more enjoyable on the bed as well. If they are pretty and have a fabulous sexy body, it helps with my enjoyment.
Of course many years ago I did experience the magic of some Thai girls in my own country, and soon realised I had a strong preference for Asian girls, unless the Farangs were exceptional (and out of my league). had been keen on a couple of Chinese girls not available to me too. In my own country Thai girl hookers performed sexually way better than Farang hooker girls on average, completely different attitude. Never had a bad fuck Japanese girl either (fairly small sample). Indo and Philippina girls also appealed to me.
Enjoyed one Indo girl umpteen times till she got deported back to her home country. Face and body 9 points each. A sexy dancer with attitude great. One could fall for her, she was so dreamy good. She was only supposed to provide sexy dance strip shows, but was a private room, so anything was possible if both wanted it. Did I want to go get a strip show from farang girls working at the same place? Nah! She was in a different league completely.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2264213]Before for I start, Monkeypaw would like to point out this simple fact. Some folks on here have been playing checkers, while the Paw has been playing chess. -SNIP
[/QUOTE]Looking at all the fish flavored candy and Blue Tongue Painter Lollipops that I have brought as gifts to give to the bar girls reminded me about those less fortunate than me on ISG. Anyways, if anybody walks into a bar and all the girls tongues are blue, Monkeypaw is somewhere nearby. So as a present to the others, some insightful thoughts and my very last mention of game. And that's a Monkeypaw promise.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2257170]Hi Guys.
I see a lot talk every now and then about having game when it comes to pulling hookers in Ago go's, Beer Bar's and other establishments in Pattaya! My idea with hookers is that all the game you need is money. I have a pal in Pattaya at the moment who has pulled a Hooters girl, now that is having game. My idea of game is getting laid for free by quality girls. My next trip is in February and I will be in Pattaya for 8 days and I am setting myself a target of 5 non hookers of any description, so that will exclude any payment other dinner, drinks and / or movie. I am in my late 50's not handsome, not fashionably dressed and over weight so if I pull this off I truly must have game. My target age group will be 20 to 30's but I will take on older ladies who are in good condition. Now I know I am going to get shouted down by some members and lectured by others about the true meaning of game in their eyes but those of us who don't have heads in dark places will appreciate my post. I acknowledge that you guys who live there get free girls all the time and so you should. I would love to hear other members idea regarding this subject as my friends and myself do chuckle when we read about having game when paying girls for sex.
Rob.[/QUOTE]Monkeypaw sees the hamster wheels trying to churn in the head and some logic maybe developing between the ears, but I still don't see a hamster. But you did ask for members' ideas regarding the subject, so of course, Monkeypaw has to chime in. The reason being is because I feel the need to not let people stay stupid no matter the circumstances. It's like somebody sticking a cellphone up their ass, thinking that's how booty calls are made. As funny as that is, I need to correct that behavior rather just laugh and ignore it.
Game.
1. You mentioned "all the game you need is money. " So if I gave 3000 baht to a naked, mute, illiterate, smelly, dirty homeless man, he will have no issues paying girls for sex for short time? He has money, so is it still a no brainer? But wait, what about his clothes, hygiene, being able to read and speak English, Thai, or whatever? Everything I just mentioned can be done better by the next person. And the better it's done, the stronger their game. It becomes their "style. " Build on that style consistently, then you have a "reputation. " Your reputation is your game. Ask yourself, "Who am I?
2. Gamesmanship (per Wikipedia) is described as "whatever dubious methods possible to achieve the desired end. " So, yes, even conversations and lies are a part of game, if to gets you the desired results. To get paid sex from hookers (your desired end result), you are saying no lies or hustle is needed and that you are in full transparency? No wife, no girlfriend, no kids, no friends to play game with or to tell lies? Remember, "whatever dubious methods to achieve the desired end. " If you have to lie to someone, anyone, in order to have sex with the girl, it's a part of the game. Deal with it. You are in the game and may not even know it.
3. But you are somewhat right, show them the cash and it's almost a guarantee that "somebody" will fuck you. But you realize that is just a fact of life right and has to do nothing with P4 P? Yes, that's P as in "play," as in a game to be played. Also, who that "somebody" is or what she (perhaps he) looks like or "how" they will fuck you, well that's all up to how much game you have. Can't have an outcall escort without hotel or home, but you can still get pay a street crack working girl to go behind the bushes. See what I mean? Same logic as guys thinking the nicer the hotel, the nicer the girl. As long as you don't feel stupid or any regrets, no worries there on "who" fucks you. I don't judge.
4. But keep in mind, there are those who get constantly fucked over in life with game, that don't even know they are getting screwed in the ass with no lube. A guy who gets married for "love" to one girl, for better or for worse, will eventually realize, that the devil and society played one of the biggest games on him. He just just signed a contract for the most expensive hooker in his life. So still thinking no need for game? Because it takes game to recognize game. That's where ignorance is bliss comes from. So the question that needs to be answered is that is there such a thing as being so stupid that you don't even know you are stupid?
As for Thailand, just having money alone doesn't allow everybody to (correct me if I am wrong) 1. Go inside any bar 2. Select the hottest girl 3. Pay the barfine for her and 4. Go then get to fuck her. This is what the "ID" part of your mind wants, your instinctual behaviors that you "think" you are entitled to the best. I got money, no game is needed, I can fuck all hot girls. Then, there is a thing called "ego", meaning your own sense of self and who you actually are, that will kick in and limit you. Perhaps, you start hearing a little voice questioning, "what if" she doesn't like me, my looks are not okay, she is trying to hustle me, or she has another customer? Insecurities kick in because there is such a thing as "rejection" and "competition", and that shit is well alive and happens. At at that moment, you will look around the bar at other customers, and start second guessing that perhaps the lady at the currency exchange booth may have ripped you off. For some reason, there is a YMMV note attached to the 3000 baht in your wallet because it's not worth the same as another guy's. I have the money, so what the fuck is up? Did I fly half way across the world to get rejected in a 3rd world country by a bunch of poor rice farmers' daughters who won't take my money? Could have saved me the trouble if my standards and expectations were lowered. Now, this is your "super ego" or conscience is speaking to you. That's what is called the voice of reason and sense. It's your choice to listen to it or not. But keep ignoring that voice, and your life keeps sucking and perhaps it get worse.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2250160] SNIP- Trying to describe the night with MonkeyPaw (Banana Boy had to bail) is impossible. When he arrived he was so excited to be back on WS that we skipped dinner and headed straight to Windmill, as the main clubs had not yet open. People don't flock to him, but he commands attention by his personality and his willingness to engage people, tip them and take care of them. I have no idea if his stories are true or are pure BS or somewhere in the middle. As long as he treats people well when I am around, I will let him be whatever he is or wants to be. At the least, he is entertaining and he never ignored me nor put a hoe before me. Regardless of his true story, the dude has Game. He immediately found the (subjectively) hottest girl there, and she was so hot (subjectively, in my opinion) I can't believe she would be working there. -SNIP [/QUOTE]So my final thought on game is this. So if you got game, you will always get the hotter girl. See quote above. If you have Monkeypaw type game, you get them all. Lucky for you guys, Monkeypaw shares, just like with the girl (blonde in skirt pictured) in the above quote. I'm sure FL Hawk has already attested, that the Paw will give you when and whatever he wants to give you. But you first, have to break your own ego, ask and it's still up to me. Stay away from the top end go go bars if you have no clue about what game and hustle is. The hotter girls will always be out of reach for you unless you feel like getting fucked with no lube, but the uglier ones will be available. Stick to the lower end establishments that is fitting for your own level of play that requires little to no smarts because the girls themselves have little to no smarts. Now, if you or anybody else think no game is needed for the better looking girls at the bars, and that everybody's money counts as the same amount. Let's hang out. I'll be in Pattaya and Bangkok from the end of December until mid February 2019. Come sit down next to me at a club and let me pick your girl. Don't worry, most guys say I have very good taste in girls and she will be one of the top girls in the bar. If she agrees to fuck you, I'll pay for her. If she doesn't, you pay for only my drinks. If you think it's a set up between the Paw and the girl, my drinks usually total around only 1000 baht, not enough for a girl lose out on the 3000 baht for herself if she goes with you. All they care about is the money right? It should be easy because "all the game you need is money. " And technically, you don't even need that, because it's going to be Monkeypaw's money. So any takers? By the way, you can always ask Lew or Phazze93, both young, Asian, and had bigger wallets than Monkeypaw, if rejection and the need for game is REAL. But like I said before, plan X, why, Z is always available if A through W doesn't pan out. But it's okay to keep doing whatever you are doing, because Monkeypaw needs to be entertained by others than just the go go bar girls. If you've ever enjoy sitting at Thermae and watching the "dynamics," interactions and guys failing, I think you know what I mean.
Free Sex.
Secondly, you mentioned "My idea of game is getting laid for free by quality girls. As my friends and myself do chuckle when we read about having game when paying girl for sex. " You are 50 something years old. You should be wise as fuck by now. Why haven't you realize yet, that there is no such thing as free sex? Did you just descend from the Heavens one morning with a pocket full of cash that you didn't have to work for and flew to Thailand on your invisible angel wings? There are costs and expenditures associated with you just being alive and in your present situation. I'll make it easier for you to understand. Is the sex from a wife or girlfriend really free? Or are there other costs associated with marriage that needs to be accounted for? Still don't quite understand? I want to invite you to a free dinner in Hong Kong in which Monkeypaw will pay the bill for you to eat. All you have to do is show up at the restaurant. So how free is that Big Mac and fries now? If you still think the meal is free from cost, then you might as well encourage guys to get married, for all the free sex of a lifetime. And I apologize if you already fell victim to that bullshit already. But, that's the same nonsense logic that you portray to those who can think on a higher level. The moment you bust your little nut, your head will clear. Start adding up all the money spent, work done, and time invested for that single moment of reward. It wasn't free was it? Because there is no such thing as free sex, only cheaper sex like Mr. E correctly points out. So you and your friends may "chuckle when reading about having game when paying for girls for sex," but I find it even more silly, that guys would pay 1000 dollars or more plus hotel and accommodations, to fly to Thailand to have sex with homely looking girls, even for "free. " When you are finished with your trip, add up the total costs from beginning to end for everything that was necessary for you to get the sex. Yes, even the clothes on your back, unless you showed up naked to meet them and had sex in the clouds in the sky. Divide that amount by the total number of girls you fucked. Then visualize the faces and bodies of those girls. If you have pics, that's the best. Match each of those girl's photos with the dollar amount configured for each. Then ask yourself, I paid this much for that? That's how much you know whether God loves you or the devil has your soul. Only person I know that has free sex is me. I don't work and don't even know where my money comes from. I am unable to associate the cash I spend to any earnings or work that I have done in my lifetime. So yep, it's all free for me because I am free from this world. And, if you were wondering, my favorite color is still blue.
2. My "Game Plan," My Reward, My Experiences.
"However with members like MP, game is pulling the most in demand go go girls and yes he is paying them. In my opinion, game is getting free pussy without paying the girl but have you ever thought about another aspect of this so called "game"? What about pulling a hot working girl, paying her but getting exactly what you want from her. For example, one punter bar fines a hot girl, pays the premium price and gets a starfish. Another punter pulls the same girl but gets a true GFE in the sense of BBFS, CIP, CIM, and maybe pays a lower price. This in my opinion is also "game". Anyways, at the end of the day, I could give a rats ass about Game. My goal is to fuck hot girls and get them to do what I want and have a blast doing it. ".
"I don't know what MPs success rate is at getting girls to do what he wants. He mostly talks about how his game is number 1 and he gets to be with the top rated girls in the bars. But his "Game Plan" as you so call it, in my opinion, will get you the top rated girls but it won't get you what you want in the bedroom on a consistent basis. Show me a punter who can get the top rated girls and get them to do everything that he wants in the bedroom such as BBFS, CIP, CIM and so on and then I will listen to him. I am 80% of my way there but haven't reached that 100% success rate yet but I am having fun trying and getting what I want most of the time. ".
My Game Plan.
Looking at those two quotes above by BKKDog, apparently Monkeypaw has definitely got a fan that desperately needs some of my attention. Funny thing here is that my "game plan" is just my life. Nothing written, nothing set in stone, and I wing the rest of it time. There are those who can try to mimic some aspects of it, but they can never be me. To be honest, the truth about my life is probably too much for anyone to bear. So my game plan is really having no game plan. It's my style, my aura, my reputation, and the image of how others (whose opinions matter) perceive me. That's it. All I know is that everywhere I go, I command attention and respect when it's warranted. Thats' why I get treated differently. I can sit in a bar for 30 minutes and buy one drink and not be thought of as a Cheapie Charlie. My conversations get listened to and I know how to bring out other's emotions, while keeping mine so calm. Everybody, who knows me in person, can confirm "Monkeypaw has a shit load of game. " If we go back to the definition of game or gamesmanship as "whatever dubious methods possible to achieve the desired end. " Substitute out the word "methods" with "knowledge, skills, and abilities. " All of it then reads like this, "Monkeypaw has a shit load of dubious knowledge, skills, and abilities possible to achieve the desired end. " Meaning simply, if I use my mind, my game, there is a good chance that whatever I desire will happen. So if I target something, more than likely it's going to be a bullseye. Scary isn't it? Aren't you happy my favorite color is still blue?
My Reward.
So what has all this game has gotten me as a reward?
1. Being #1 at Palace, the #1 go go bar in all of Thailand. That, itself, means I have enough game to do something, no other has claimed to do. Think about that and what it means to win against the girls at Palace. Beat them, meaning if you can take out the top 15 hottest girls at Palace (according to the girls) and fuck them for the standard amount, you pretty much can do whatever you want with the rest of the go go bar world.
2. And on top of that, Monkeypaw has done that for not only Palace, but all the top bars with all the top girls on Walking Street, Nana, and Soi Cowboy. Then for extra padding, all the pretty dancing girls below the trophy ones. And of course, not to be out done by getting all the rest of the girls at the bars with a decent face and decent body as well. So unless she is fat, ugly, too old, or sloppy, there is a good chance Monkeypaw has fucked her already.
3. I still am able to point, click, choose, and fuck girls at a 99.9% success rate without rejection and on the first try. Why does nobody find this amazing besides me? There is only one person I know that can walk into any go go bar, find out the the top or best looking one in the bar at that time, and it's a done deal. I know of no other guy being able to do this in my circle (guys with a shit load of money and / or status), or any other circle. I have had girls ask me, "No other guy gets away with this shit, how do I do it?" If you have this ability as well, come on let's go hang out and enjoy our powers together hunting girls. Or is it just only me?
4. Monkeypaw is the trophy for the girls. I've been told this is the conversation the girls have with each other when I find new talent at a bar. One girl will tell the other one, "If he asks to barfine you, you should go with him. " The new girl will ask, "Why?" The other girl will say, "They say he is nice, not cheap, and known for taking only the prettiest girls. " And that's how and why all the top girls, whether new or old, come flocking to the Paw. Once the girls know you have taste, it's all good. I warn people all the time about taking an ugly girl on the first try from a bar You are tainted afterwards. You honestly think that the best looking girl will go with you, knowing you have no taste? Stick with hot girls and you keep getting hot girls. It's like dating all the ugly Bettys in high school then trying to ask out the head cheerleader next. If you are like Monkeypaw, you can work your way down from the top, instead of trying to start at the bottom. But even I know, I don't want to venture down too far or it ruins my reputation. That's when you can always pretend you are drunk and can't see straight. I'll just pass.
5. And if Monkeypaw is #1 at this game at the go go bars, everything else from Thermae, gent clubs, night clubs, on downwards to soapies, Thai Friendly or whatever, where not a lot of game is needed, is ALL available to the Paw. Meaning, if I visited those places which I may have already, I will get the best they have to offer as well, and not have to spend the most. Why? Because nobody plays better than those trophy girls at Palace. And unless you have accomplished the whole #1 at Palace thing, you cannot ever fathom what the Paw is saying. Simply stated, Monkeypaw at anytime can play with any of your girls, but you can not necessarily play with all of the ones he's gotten before. No wonder some of you guys are hiding those stunners in your pockets and not sharing. And all this time, the Paw has been so unselfish to identify and share with the whole board. Tsk. Tsk. Tsk.
Speaking of sharing, thanks Greenbud for pointing out #300 (hugging the bear) from Tantra as having a hot body. You guys keep pointing out the hot girls at the go go bars, Monkeypaw will keep knocking them out. Monkeypaw was able to fuck #300 and the pussy was tight. I've included a pic of her with her hair all messed up from being freshly fucked. See even the Paw has made the time to give credit when good info was sent his way and shared. Enjoy.
[QUOTE=GreenBud;2259676] SNIP - At Soi 6, it seems the first price all the girls ask for is 1000 Baht for short time (for standard stuff). I'm wondering what percentage will accept 700. I just hate to negotiate with girls that will suck my dick, especially for $9 USD.
- Note: For my girl rating scale, I use a Bell curve. For all you non-engineering geeks out there, the shape of the curve is a bell. Most of the girls are average, around a 5. Very few high scores.
- IMO, many of the girls on Soi 6 are on the ugly side. Checked last month and the last 2 days around 3 PM. There are 5's around; only a few 6's; no 7's.
- At WS Tantra go-go, many 6's. I thought Nos. 129, 140, 242, 300, and 304 are 7's. I thought No. 322 is a 7.5. I liked the body of No. 300.
- At Infinity, I thought No. 403 is a 7. IMO, she's about 10 pounds overweight, although many people like the full figure type. I prefer skinny. I slipped a 20 Baht bill in her bikini, and I fondled her breast. She liked it (the money I assumed, LOL), and she gave me a wai. For less than a dollar! That's why I love Pattaya.[/QUOTE]So if you think about it, those 1 through 5 rewards listed above (there are more greater ones, but nobody on Earth will understand), are still fucking amazing. What else would anybody want? What's hilarious is the backlash that I often get from others who can't even get the attention of the top girls. But what about this girl? What about that one? What about this bar? What about that club? Did you fuck all of them? To make better sense of how silly those questions sound. It's like walking along with Mike Tyson, in his prime, through downtown New York and pointing at random strangers and asking, "bet you can't kick his ass, or his ass, or his ass over there. " Or even better, It's like God defeating the Satan, but now, all the other demons are saying you haven't taken on me, or this one, or that one. Shit becomes pointless. Go back to trying to understand what the concept of being "#1 at the #1" truly means. I reign over Palace like a King, but I'm too smart to know it's better to just be the Prince, in order to play and have my fun.
My Experiences.
The best advice some of the senior members have told me is that, "There really is nothing that anybody on the board can tell you or offer when to comes to girls. You already get the best, hottest, and prettiest girls. " So the only thing left for them to question or attack is "he might get the hottest girls, but what kind of experience does Monkeypaw get?" Other posters can easily see through that line of questioning.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2224369]You may have extrapolated my words. That happens when you are consumed by your own thinking, lack empathy, quit listening, and see the world with colored glasses. Very sad. What I meant by real deal is that he gets the hottest girls to go with him. The ones that will not cast a second glance at the old fogeys, even if they would shower the girls with drinks, tips, etc. And these girls will then throw themselves at him, fight over him and take pride in being selected by him. Anyone can be questioned about what happens inside the room. I am not getting that far.[/QUOTE]The answer is, "I can get any experience that I want. " It's all about how much game, money, and time, I want to invest in each girl. " I am in control of most of my experiences. If you want to know what I'm talking about, then do it yourself. Go to the top clubs and take out all the top hottest girls one by one by one. When you've reach that point, we will be in the same level and you will understand everything without me having to explain it all. For now, it's like me talking to a bunch of 3 year olds about the reality of Christmas, Jesus, and Santa Claus. We are not on the same playing level, so it all will not make sense. And since, I do this shit almost every day, Monkeypaw has grown so much spiritually, since I started playing. I'm at the point where I can easily choose the girl, any girl at the bars without fear of rejection. With a civilian, more lies have to be told, which I rather not do. I don't enjoy lying or breaking hearts. So this is where my "super ego," my conscience, always kicks in. I come from a better place. You can moan and whine that you think Monkeypaw has a self inflated ego. But even then, you sound very stupid. A self inflated ego is all about yourself, no empathy towards others, and selfishness to your own needs. Yet here is Monkeypaw, a single guy, not married, no kids, no wife or girlfriend to deceive. I take first world money and spend it in a third world country, repeatedly doing charity. I am not cheap and often spread the wealth. Want to call it ego because I throw money to even the poor ugly girls by making it rain in the club? I call it charity. I love myself enough to try to reward myself with the best looking girls, in the safest manner to protect my health, my body, my mind, and the girl, without trying to sacrifice too much pleasure and enjoyment. Then on top of that, I share with others who don't share with me. So all that sounds like a selfish person, right? It only sounds like narcissism because deep down, your inner spirit recognizes what I am. That inner spirit of yours is a little angry. It's best to keep it in check because "the good" always win out. Now because I've learned play that way, and since somebody asked, these are the exceptional experiences for myself that I've gotten, while growing as a player in this game.
1. Indescribable bliss without even needing to have sex or be touched, where it feels as if your soul is being lifted from your body and nothing matters anymore. A state of pure happiness, euphoria, and energy. I felt as if I was one with the universe. It was nice that I had a naked girl next to me, but even then, her existence didn't matter anymore. - This is my secret.
2. Sex for 4 hours straight with two girls, pure adrenaline, with constant dopamine and serotonin release, no tiredness, and my body felt as if was floating, while our bodies were melting in one another the whole time. Every moment felt as if I was having an orgasm with every touch and there was no need to even cum. It felt that good for all 4 hours. - This too is my secret.
3. I can cum twice without a refractory period. That means I can cum again in "less than one minute" apart from the first ejaculation because my dick stays rock hard for minutes after. The second one is always more explosive in cum and 10 times more intense that it makes me scream and shiver. Think about that, two orgasm less than one minute apart.
4. I can cum when I want to, whether it's 2 minutes or 2 hours or not even. I have control over when to shoot my load.
5. I can cum in a condom regularly, no problem.
6. I can regularly make the girls cum, no problem.
7. And of course, with history, I have done everything else that most of you guys "relish," like BBFS, CIM, GFE, PSE, 5-somes, bondage, toys, plus much much more. By the way GFE is not what she does. I hope you know that by now. GFE is a "feeling" you get. DFK, BBBJ, BBFS does not constitute real GFE. That can only be felt as if a girl is really into you, connected, and that none of what she does is for show or extra tip. Hard to explain unless you've felt it before. Just saying.
So technically, for the experience, I can choose 1-7 or a combination of those every time I have sex with a girl or two. Trust me, if you've ever experience 1 and 2, you would care less about anything else on that list. So my take is that since there are some guys who can't get the prettiest girls at the go bars to pay attention to them, they get a little butt hurt. So now they need to direct their attention to BBFS. When has this been the "standard of service" that everybody should be striving for in a country like Thailand with such a high prevalance HIV? There is also research data online that suggests HIV prevalences among female sex workers, as high as 20% in Bangkok and the prevalence of STDs amongst the clients (the johns) of female sex workers in Thailand is as high as 26%. Scary numbers to want to keep taking chances if you ask me. Next thing you know, the same guys who suggest BBFS as the standard for an excellent experience, will say I bet you can't get to be the girl's boyfriend, then after that is marry them, then after that is have a kid with them. See if you can do all that Monkeypaw. Come on, how stupid does that shit sound? I'm too smart for that shit to fall down to your level. Let me stick with just being a "playboy" and getting all the hottest and prettiest girls that are tough to play with. Let me also stick with my own rewards and experiences above. If you think you have accomplished something by having BBFS with weak minded prostitutes, especially while having a girlfriend or being married, the more power to you. Just sounds a little silly to me, that's all. To the Paw, it just means that you know your limits in life, and that you cannot play with the smarter people. Hardly impressive to Monkeypaw. But it also means that if you ever run into someone who has more game than you, that person will have you doing flips like a trained dog and you wouldn't even know what's happening. But you keep doing your thing, I've just grown beyond that and try to resist even though it's available to me. I just love myself that much to take care of myself. Besides I've seen many people die of AIDS while volunteering at AIDS hospice in Houston. It's like when I stopped eating red meat because I've seen what goes on in slaughterhouses. Nothing nice, all gruesome. And there were the times, I tested myself after a few BBFS excursions in the past, my stress level was so high each time I went to draw blood. I can't imagine people wanting to put themselves through all the stress and anxiety to test themselves over and over again because they can't control their urges. Glad I'm not alone in these sentiments.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2265363]For me condom use is a no brainer. Too many incurable STDs going around. For guys who already have an untreatable STD I suppose they think its ok to have bareback sex.[/QUOTE]I play this game with some level of respect for myself and for others. Are some that weak or perhaps, they just enjoy preying on the weak? Unless, all of this talk about BBFS is nothing but a ploy or smokescreen, to get newbie guys to make fools of themselves because misery loves company. It's like a bunch of old "has beens," who cannot get the girls they want, got together and said, "Our time is up. Let's encourage guys to walk into bars with fake doctor notes stating they are STD free and demanding BBFS from the girls. " Also let's get everybody to just ask the girls in advance, from ThaiFriendly, Nana, Soi Cowboy, Walking Street, and Thermae, will they do BBFS with CIP? Use your common sense here. If I didn't know any better, that type of behavior will get a guy "labeled" because these girls in this industry, know each other and they do share info and talk about customers. Once a guy is marked, labeled, and jacketed as unsafe and dirty, the best girls avoid him. That means less competition for me, if all along I just wanted all the top girls for myself. The more fools out there, the better it is for me. The top girls didn't get to be the best because they go out spreading their legs to fuck without a condom and to cum inside their pussy. So with that, let me stick to my BBBJ and CIM as the barest I would ever want to go to minimize the risks. Everything else in the bedroom let me keep to myself as my own heaven or hell to live out. And everyday, I thank God for showing me who I am not. My favorite color is still blue.
To be continued.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2267016]
Game.[/QUOTE]A question for you, can you have "game" without sufficient money to get the top girls?
[QUOTE=Nounce;2267267]A question for you, can you have "game" without sufficient money to get the top girls?[/QUOTE]I'm sorry to say this, but "game" is worth jack shit when applied to prostitutes. Although the "pick up" information is amusing to read, if Mr Paw was really that talented, he would be getting hot looking girls in London, New York and Houston for the price of a cocktail and dinner. I'm talking about educated girls with proper jobs who aren't prostitutes. Why fly half way around the world to pick up barely literate, rice farmers' daughters in a sleazy go go bar to prove how good you are?
Mr Paw's theory also fails to take into account that the majority of punters don't necessarily want to pick up the hottest hooker from Palace. They don't need the stress and are perfectly happy banging a 6.
I know good looking guys who like picking up SWs in my country who have hot wives or girlfriends at home. Remember Hugh Grant and Divine Brown? And that was when he was dating Liz Hurley who would have been a 10. If you read Mr E's book on life, just fuck anything that moves. He seems to be having a better time than anyone.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267297]If you read Mr E's book on life, just fuck anything that moves. He seems to be having a better time than anyone.[/QUOTE]What is all this talk about moving? My motto is a hole and a heartbeat; heartbeat optional.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2267016]
Monkeypaw sees the hamster wheels trying to churn in the head and some logic maybe developing between the ears, but I still don't see a hamster. But you did ask for members' ideas regarding the subject, so of course, Monkeypaw has to chime in. The reason being is because I feel the need to not let people stay stupid no matter the circumstances. It's like somebody sticking a cellphone up their ass, thinking that's how booty calls are made. As funny as that is, I need to correct that behavior rather just laugh and ignore it.
[/QUOTE]Your constant use of illeism to signal your power and status is getting a little tiresome man.
Maybe the average punter is happy to just bumble along without eating the tasty treats at the top go go bars. Who gives a fuck?
Agreed. Its like a successful HLS educated guy going to some trailer park and picking up a meth addicted white trash chick and somehow proclaiming this is the height of game. Game is only worthwhile if it achieves a notable objective. For these girls selling fishball noodle soup by the side of the road would propel them up a social class.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267297]Why fly half way around the world to pick up barely literate, rice farmers' daughters in a sleazy go go bar to prove how good you are?
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[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267361]Your constant use of illeism to signal your power and status is getting a little tiresome man.
Maybe the average punter is happy to just bumble along without eating the tasty treats at the top go go bars. Who gives a fuck?[/QUOTE]You don't have to read MP reports. I don't, because I don't like the style and delusions of grandeur. Likewise some hate my reports and don't have to read them.
I like factual reports with not much imagination, but a little bit of subtle humour. Nic Frenchy was the master at writing useful but amusing reports in the past. Unfortunately we don't all have the talents to be that amusing. e.g. irony or sarcasm, trying to be funny, does not work for me as a reader.
Read those posters that provide something useful, at least some of the time. It may well be as little as a suggested venue for finding hot girls, or what sort of behaviours are tolerated and considered O.K.
I find it amusing that anyone has time to type 2 paragraph report when on the ground, so how much time in someone's lonely existence can they find time to write their version of "Mein Kamph"?
Money, Power and Influence but very sad and lonely.
Depends how quickly you can type. I can type around 90 words per minute.
imo a Live Update when you are actually in a bar is the most useful thing. It tells me if I should go to that bar or not that evening. A guy followed my Live Update to check out Thermae last week and he thanked me for it because there were a ton of girls that night. If someone told me Kinnaree was crap the other day while they were there would have saved me 500 baht in taxi.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2267409]I find it amusing that anyone has time to type 2 paragraph report when on the ground, so how much time in someone's lonely existence can they find time to write their version of "Mein Kamph"?[/QUOTE]His version of Mein Kampf would probably be called My Game, LOL.
O shit, maybe I gave him inspiration now.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2264610]Observing what kind of women men choose while mongering tells you very little about their "taste" in women generally or what level of beauty they are used to enjoying in the real world back home.
Let's call it the Hugh Grant and Elizabeth Hurley vs Devine Brown Syndrome. LOL. Maybe do a Google Search on the names if you aren't familiar with that story. It is a common, classic human nature story, BTW.
It is entirely possible that Caucasian monger you see with less than beautiful dates married the Prom Queen back home or dated almost nothing but starlets, models and beauty contest winners. So he has had his fill of vacuous porcelein princesses and is now directing his "very good taste" in women in a different direction. Namely, more pleasures in the bed.
By contrast, it is entirely possible that Asian punter you see with "top quality" lookers could not get a girl above a 5 to so much as look at him in the real world back home. So now his mongering money is devoted to puchasing head-turners he can strut around in hopes of finally having someone at his side that will impress other men, the lousy sex he his getting with his expensive dates be damned.[/QUOTE]My GF at home, when made up, is a 10. But she makes me work. It's my job to please her.
Here, I like one that's my style and takes care of me for the 5 minutes I need LOL.
[QUOTE=RobJones;2267409]I find it amusing that anyone has time to type 2 paragraph report when on the ground, so how much time in someone's lonely existence can they find time to write their version of "Mein Kamph"?
[/QUOTE]Some guys are bored and nothing better to do. No work to be done. Not currently in a knock shop. Maybe not even in Bangkok or Pattaya. I could be bored even when at home with Thai Mrs. As she is not a clingy type and doing her own thing.
Personally I prefer a post with some information detail. The worst posts for me are a smart ass one liner like in Twitter. I am not on Twitter at all, naturally. I once posted on a German forum, and was criticised by the moderator for rather short "twitter like" posts. My German was not good enough to write extensively, so I gave only essential info on the girl and venue.
Anyway, obviously most of us are not constantly in bars and MPs. Not on sex holiday either. Mongering opportunities can be infrequent, and even 4 times a week is not frequent.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267297]I'm sorry to say this, but "game" is worth jack shit when applied to prostitutes. Although the "pick up" information is amusing to read, if Mr Paw was really that talented, he would be getting hot looking girls in London, New York and Houston for the price of a cocktail and dinner. I'm talking about educated girls with proper jobs who aren't prostitutes. Why fly half way around the world to pick up barely literate, rice farmers' daughters in a sleazy go go bar to prove how good you are?
Mr Paw's theory also fails to take into account that the majority of punters don't necessarily want to pick up the hottest hooker from Palace. They don't need the stress and are perfectly happy banging a 6.
I know good looking guys who like picking up SWs in my country who have hot wives or girlfriends at home. Remember Hugh Grant and Divine Brown? And that was when he was dating Liz Hurley who would have been a 10. If you read Mr E's book on life, just fuck anything that moves. He seems to be having a better time than anyone.[/QUOTE]What happens for MP personally behind closed doors as a result of his game/pick up methods is anyone's guess. But the evidence for him being incapable of influencing or transfering those methods to anyone tagging along with him in the Thai P4P scene keeps mounting.
We fairly recently got the two latest detailed reports from fellows who tagged along with him and might have benefited from stray Magic Pixie Dust landing on them. But there was no evidence of it in their reports.
One was a horror story of a repeated waste of thousands of baht with no rewarding sexual conclusion in sight until he went on his own to the place most likely to find it for very little baht anyway; Soi 6 in Pattaya.
The other one merely demonstrated that if you are young, fit, Asian and willing to spend a lot af baht, you too might be able to score fully covered, far from True GFE (imo) sessions with some of the handful of really good looking girls in a few Walking Street go-go bars.
In both cases, no Magic Pixie Dust worked or appeared to be required.
To be fair, there is no one with Magic Pixie Dust for the Thai P4P scene who can make great things happen for others if they just tag along and follow, imo.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2267803]What happens for MP personally behind closed doors as a result of his game/pick up methods is anyone's guess. But the evidence for him being incapable of influencing or transfering those methods to anyone tagging along with him in the Thai P4P scene keeps mounting.
We fairly recently got the two latest detailed reports from fellows who tagged along with him and might have benefited from stray Magic Pixie Dust landing on them. But there was no evidence of it in their reports.
One was a horror story of a repeated waste of thousands of baht with no rewarding sexual conclusion in sight until he went on his own to the place most likely to find it for very little baht anyway; Soi 6 in Pattaya.
The other one merely demonstrated that if you are young, fit, Asian and willing to spend a lot af baht, you too might be able to score fully covered, far from True GFE (imo) sessions with some of the handful of really good looking girls in a few Walking Street go-go bars.
In both cases, no Magic Pixie Dust worked or appeared to be required.
To be fair, there is no one with Magic Pixie Dust for the Thai P4P scene who can make great things happen for others if they just tag along and follow, imo.[/QUOTE]Let's debunk Mr Paw's claims even further. Syzygies mentioned that the top girls at the top go go bars are pulling in 150,000 THB a month. This is entirely feasible, but it means they are giving their tonsils and pussies are fairly good workout. With a combination of salary, drink commissions and about 20 bar fines, they would get there. Now if these girls were so particular about who they went with and only waited for professional pick up artists with "game" like Mr Paw to enter the scene and to woo them, they'd starve to death. I haven't included sponsorship income as we will never know the extent of this, and in any case, it is rather fickle.
Ego also affects these girls in a bad way. This is a natural response when everyone is telling them how beautiful they are, the fact they are earning a fortune (by Thai standards) each month and they have a contact list for hundreds of wealthy foreign suitors. While they might accept a barfine, whether they are going to provide GFE, BBBJ CIM, BBFS CIP etc back in the room is questionable. Only Mr Paw knows whether this actually happened. My experience in banging hundreds of Asian hookers over 30 years is that the average looking girls (6-7) consistently provide the best experience. The truly beautiful ones (9-10) rarely deliver (except of course in Burgos Street!) as they firmly believe their shit doesn't stink.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2267803]To be fair, there is no one with Magic Pixie Dust for the Thai P4P scene who can make great things happen for others if they just tag along and follow, imo.[/QUOTE]I have always said to walk up to them and say lets go fuck. That is what they are there for. Buying them all kinds of drinks and shit gets you the same thing as the pixie dust.
The Paw's methods have been witnessed by credible posters here. They have confirmed he has a unique style (game). His photos offer proof that he gets top girls. If nothing else his reports are entertaining. Just enjoy them or skip past them. Don't take your self so seriously that you feel the need to debunk his claims. If you feel the need to debunk or challenge his claims, I say congratulations. You have been monkeypawed.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267823]While they might accept a barfine, whether they are going to provide GFE, BBBJ CIM, BBFS CIP etc back in the room is questionable. Only Mr Paw knows whether this actually happened. .[/QUOTE]I don't think he ever bragged about this. In my opinion, he is quite humble about it. Maybe that is why he is contantly talking about "game".
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267823]the average looking girls (6-7) consistently provide the best experience.[/QUOTE]I think MP will agree with you on this but he is bored and got too much time on his hands.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2267823]The truly beautiful ones (9-10) rarely deliver (except of course in Burgos Street!) as they firmly believe their shit doesn't stink.[/QUOTE]My understanding from reading is that he is trying to improve his statistic and get the truly beautiful ones to deliver the best experience. I will probably make the same choice as you but he is free to do what he pleases with his time.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267825]I have always said to walk up to them and say lets go fuck. That is what they are there for. Buying them all kinds of drinks and shit gets you the same thing as the pixie dust.[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. Any more effort than that is too much.
[QUOTE=Allover;2267875]The Paw's methods have been witnessed by credible posters here. They have confirmed he has a unique style (game). His photos offer proof that he gets top girls. If nothing else his reports are entertaining. Just enjoy them or skip past them. Don't take your self so seriously that you feel the need to debunk his claims. If you feel the need to debunk or challenge his claims, I say congratulations. You have been monkeypawed.[/QUOTE]Not really. There is always value in questioning questionable claims. And there is knowledge to be shared by identifying, challenging and debunking suspected hogwash. MonkeyPaw serves a purpose in acheiving those ends. He doesn't have to, of course. But it seems he just can't help himself.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267825]I have always said to walk up to them and say lets go fuck. That is what they are there for. Buying them all kinds of drinks and shit gets you the same thing as the pixie dust.[/QUOTE]How does this work out for you? I'm not being facetious. It's a legitimate question.
Given all the chatter about dressing appropriately, Game etc, if a average male walks up to a stunner in a GoGo carrying the price of entry and asks point blank, what's the chance of success?
Using the direct approach with 10's has never been terribly successful for me elsewhere so I'm keen to hear others' experience in LOS.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2268124]How does this work out for you? I'm not being facetious. It's a legitimate question.
Given all the chatter about dressing appropriately, Game etc, if a average male walks up to a stunner in a GoGo carrying the price of entry and asks point blank, what's the chance of success?
Using the direct approach with 10's has never been terribly successful for me elsewhere so I'm keen to hear others' experience in LOS.[/QUOTE]LOL. I have never gotten that. Well that is a lie; actually I have. I used to go to the hooker spot in Rio with a suit and crocodile shoes on. Soon I was in shorts and flip flops telling the doorman to let me in because I am a regular.
Me and my wingman were going around Pattaya all day and it came time to go to the disco. I mentioned something about going to take a shower and putting on nicer clothes. He said man I am not about to get dressed up for hookers. He was right. Since then I have been wearing shorts and flip flops just like he was.
As mongers, it seems we are trying to buy into a fantasy. But as I always say, the girls know why they are there, but it seems we do not. We are trying to apply real world pick up principles to a horehouse, which is ridiculous. They are there for the money, not your cologne or nice clothes. (Has a chick in Kinnaree ever told anyone in here that they would not go to the room with them?)
If a chick does not want to go with you, then she does not want to go with you. Your clothes or how many drinks you have bought do not have shit to do with it.
I was in Florida and another board member took me to a strip club. I cut to the chase with the girl and asked her how much to come to the hotel. She told me to go to the back room and get some private dances first and we can discuss it later. (I equate that to buying lady drinks.) I said I am not that stupid. Why am I going to go in the back room and spend the money that I could be giving you to fuck?
That is the same way guys spend all this money on drinks then find out the chick will not come with them for whatever reason. Establish that the chick will come with you first then spend your money warming her up or having fun or whatever after that.
I know chicks from the disco that all my friends have fucked but will not go with me for whatever reason. You think if I go home and change clothes they will come? Hell no! My clothes do not have shit to do with whether a hooker is coming or not. As with any normal woman, they know within 2 minutes whether they will fuck you or not. The shit is random. If a chick says she will not go with you then move on to the next before spending all kinds of money on her.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268148]
If a chick does not want to go with you, then she does not want to go with you. Your clothes or how many drinks you have bought do not have shit to do with it.
That is the same way guys spend all this money on drinks then find out the chick will not come with them for whatever reason. Establish that the chick will come with you first then spend your money warming her up or having fun or whatever after that.
[/QUOTE]What I want to know is can Mr E go into Windmill, Palace or Bacarra, go up to a 10, point and shoot? If so, what is your success rate with this method?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267825]I have always said to walk up to them and say lets go fuck. That is what they are there for. Buying them all kinds of drinks and shit gets you the same thing as the pixie dust.[/QUOTE]I agree things don't have to be that complicated. I never feel like that if I wanted a particular girl I needed to do special things for her to go with me. My problem is that I am very particular to which girls I want to go with or even buy a drink for. Looks are important for me but just as important I want a girl who is smiley, fun, and has a happy demeanor. If I wanted a b1tch I'd still be with my model hot ex.
[QUOTE=Engine Driver;2268150]What I want to know is can Mr E go into Windmill, Palace or Bacarra, go up to a 10, point and shoot? If so, what is your success rate with this method?[/QUOTE]
I've never seen anyone over a 7 at Windmill. Different scale system or taste?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2267825]I have always said to walk up to them and say lets go fuck. That is what they are there for. Buying them all kinds of drinks and shit gets you the same thing as the pixie dust.[/QUOTE]To a certain extent I agree with you. However some of us (at least myself), need to spend a bit of time with the girl to work out if she really appeals to me, or if likely she will be a disaster. Rushed decisions are likely to be wrong. In one bar Crazy House, I rarely BFed a girl the first time I met her, and I was that wary. Some stunners were exceptions and I acted much quicker.
Many years ago I liked two particular girls at Long Gun, Noi and Ning. They were more than happy to drink with me and give me their time in the bar, but neither wanted to fuck me. Ning was a show dancer and rarely went with a guy. She claimed she much preferred roly poly teddy bear type guys, so I did not make the grade. Ha ha. Noi was a tall stunner with perfect body. She claimed she did not want to go with me because we were friends. Plenty of guys wanted her. After many refusals (on different occasions), she finally went with me and was crap on the bed, very reticent and restrictive. No kissing, no BJ. I guess my dick was supposed to be hard for her automatically, where kissing usually works well for me. One of the weakest ever for bed performance. The lesson is, if she doesn't want you, she means it, and it is difficult for me to be excited by a girl who does not want anything. She probably wanted some younger spunky guy. We remained friends as before however, with me still wishing she could be into it with me. However no acting from her. Totally true stories. We just cannot expect all attractions to be mutual. So when I get a girl that acts all lovey dovey and passionate, it makes such a huge difference to my fun and enjoyment.
Not exactly going to happen if go straight up and suggest a fuck, I think. My first Billboard girl, I fluked it, as she was so warm and so pretty as well, still it took a little bit of time in the bar for her to become so lovey dovey (maybe alcohol loosened her up a bit too) and for me to know she would be great. She did not last long there as a hooker, got a BF (sponser I presume) real quick.
When a girl in Twisters did not want to go with me, scared of Farang dick, etc., I had learned my lesson and just had to accept it. So yes would not matter how many drinks one bought for her, no help at all. Always best to find out if a girl might be keen early on, but tricky if have not yet decided if I want her or not. The girl being good looking and keen is a good start though.
Then you get girls supposedly very keen, but cannot go as it is their period. Ha Ha.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2268150]What I want to know is can Mr E go into Windmill, Palace or Bacarra, go up to a 10, point and shoot? If so, what is your success rate with this method?[/QUOTE]This is a weird question to me. Can you walk into Hertz and rent a car? Can you go into McDonald's and buy a burger? These are hores we are talking about here. What is needed to get them besides the fact that you are paying them? I guess the saying, "Couldn't get laid in a horehouse" is rooted in truth. Evidently some guys actually can't get laid in a horehouse.
As I was saying before, can you walk into Kinnaree and get the best girl? Can you walk into a soapy and get the best girl? So what makes a gogo so different? You don't have to romance or impress hookers; you only have to pay them.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268148]I was in Florida and another board member took me to a strip club. I cut to the chase with the girl and asked her how much to come to the hotel. She told me to go to the back room and get some private dances first and we can discuss it later. (I equate that to buying lady drinks.) I said I am not that stupid. Why am I going to go in the back room and spend the money that I could be giving you to fuck?
[/QUOTE]ROTFLMAO. I was at Insanity grooving on the music and the totally hot Coyote Dancer dancing on the platform came down and said "I work here". I said "really? She said, "Yes, you look nice, you buy me drink? I said "Well, ID rather just skip all that, how much for short time?
She gave me a dirty look and left. Couldn't even ask if she did CIM.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2268308]
Many years ago I liked two particular girls at Long Gun, Noi and Ning. They were more than happy to drink with me and give me their time in the bar, but neither wanted to fuck me. Ning was a show dancer and rarely went with a guy. She claimed she much preferred roly poly teddy bear type guys, so I did not make the grade. Ha ha. Noi was a tall stunner with perfect body. She claimed she did not want to go with me because we were friends. Plenty of guys wanted her. After many refusals (on different occasions), she finally went with me and was crap on the bed, very reticent and restrictive. No kissing, no BJ. I guess my dick was supposed to be hard for her automatically, where kissing usually works well for me. One of the weakest ever for bed performance. The lesson is, if she doesn't want you, she means it, and it is difficult for me to be excited by a girl who does not want anything. She probably wanted some younger spunky guy. We remained friends as before however, with me still wishing she could be into it with me. However no acting from her. Totally true stories. We just cannot expect all attractions to be mutual. So when I get a girl that acts all lovey dovey and passionate, it makes such a huge difference to my fun and enjoyment.[/QUOTE]I had sex with pretty much all of the showgirls at Long Gun back in those days. I was "friends" with the mamasan and she hooked me up. The top show girls in those days most times did not go home with any guy until the end of the night. Those girls are valuable to draw guys in to watch the shows and buy drinks. But that mamasan used to allow them to go with me short time then they would return and dance again. I spent a lot of money buying that mamasan drinks, but she always hooked me up with the hottest girls in the place. And it seemed she had a word with the girls before I took them home telling them to provide me good service. Prior to meeting that mamasan, I would get crap service on occasion, but after meeting her all the girls were great. Unfortunately, the talent has been non existent there for a good many years now. Back in the day, that place was a goldmine of hotties.
Yes, you can always cut to the chase in a Go Go or bar. The direct method works in most cases, ie you can have the girl you want unless she is already spoken for, but I prefer to take advangage of the Go Go & FL bar set up which encourages the customer to invite a girl over for a drink and have a little audition before making the decision to take her or not. A girl's serxy appearance is absolutely necessary. I don't enjoy shagging unattractive girls. Who does? But good looks alone is not sufficient. I seek out friendly girls who want to show me a good time and in the proces have a pretty good time themselves. In bordellos, which I frequent a lot in BKK, Jakarta, Gelang, and Macau, the customer doesn't usually have the benefit of an audition, a get to know her time, so he must rely on a girl's body language, facial expressons, and the reputation of the house. Some bordellos like the former Lord (BKK), Emporium Hotel (Jakarta), and Rio Sauna (Macau) have excellent reputations and their girls are trained and managed quite well, but other bordellos not so much and service in these latter places can vary widely depending on the girl. In the end everybody must choose the method that works best for them. We all are looking to have the best time we can given our individual preferences and tastes in girls and our various personal and financial contraints.
Natty's rather hit it on the head. Guys want different things from the experience. There are really three parts to the experience:
1) The club.
2) The girlfriend.
3) The sex.
Some guys are pretty transactional and just want sex with a pretty girl. Nothing wrong with that! So that is number 3 — and frankly the easiest to get. Most any format can lead here, whether escort incall / outcall, gogo, massage, Clinica, brothel, bar or what have you. Find pretty girl, have sex, pay. Easy.
Getting number 2 is a real challenge and strongly related to number 1. And when I say "girlfriend", I mean the connection part where, for whatever reason it "feels like" you both want to be there and are into each other. This is related to 1 because it is very hard to establish this with massage / Clinica, brothel lineup or incall / outcal for that matter. And for some of us (me!) this is the most important part. The experience is 10 x better when it feels more than physical.
Finally the club / format. Bars, Gogos, Boates, and even FKK to some extent provide two important parts of the experience. First, you preview the "girlfriend" part more extensively. While you can never be 100% sure in-venue chemistry translates to in-room chemistry, you can be 100% sure that if there is little / none it is not going to get better!
Secondly, the bar / gogo / FKK is a "king of the world" experience. There are 50 girls here, mostly naked or at least sexily dressed and they all want to go to the room with me! It's a candy store. Who doesn't love this part? I sure as heck do. First time I went to an FKK I about came in my shorts just from the club experience itself. Surely it can't be legal! Yet it is.
So it all depends how much each of us values parts 1, 2, and 3. For me, all three are critical and so I love the gogo / bar / Boate format best (Most FKKs now are really short on connection-time — still love them anyhow.).
In my last post I outlined the utilitarian reason why I spend a good deal of pre-barfine time in Go Go's and FL pickup bars buying attractive working girls drinks and that was to screen out low performers and possible duds. But I left out the most important reason which is that I enjoy engaging in a little hanky panky in bars especially with potential NEW girls of my choosing. Perhaps it is a direct link to my misbegotten youth when my friends and I used to down a few ludes and head out to a favorite bar to party & pick up regular girls. I used to do a lot of wild stuff back in the day. Nowadays, I still enjoy asking a dancer over to my table, offering her a drink, moving to a back booth to play around with her and sometimes simultaneously with a couple of her friends. The goal is always to find a suitable barfine for the night, but who says you can't have a whole lot of fun along the way.
Now every bar has a slightly different bar culture. Some Go Go's and pick up bars are more conducive to fooling around with the girls than other bars. For example, Crazy Horse, Twister and Billboard are very hanky panky pro while Baccara and RB4 are not. So, I end up spending more time, buying more Tequila rounds, and partying around more in bars like CH and Twister than say Baccara or RB4. I still barfine girls out of the later 2 bars, but it is much quicker enter, select, decide and exit foray. Point of fact, I do not recall ever kissing a girl on ground floor Baccara, yet despite that, I still bafine from there ocasionally because I like some of their girls.
My favorite, almost anything goes, bars are Bottoms Bar in Makati, Malio Club in Jakarta, and CH & Twister in BKK in that order. Note: these bars also have the critical prerequisite: they each have a good selection of sexy girls. LOL. I don't give a fig for almost anything goes bars where the girls are not attractive. Interestingly, there are quite a number of those kind of bars in BKK, Pattaya, and Manila. I stay away. 555.
PS: I don't think these recent posts from yesterday & today on the direct point & shoot vs the indirect buy a girl a couple of drinks barfining methods belong in the "STUPID" thread. I thought this thread was set up mainly to handle one crazy BM's loony reports, pontifications and the resulting fallout. No offense intended. 555.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2268469]My favorite, almost anything goes, bars are Bottoms Bar in Makati, Malio Club in Jakarta, and CH & Twister in BKK in that order. Note: these bars also have the critical prerequisite: they each have a good selection of sexy girls. [/QUOTE]These bars are also at the higher end of town, cost wise. If I'm spending $20 on a 30 minute ST, that's not a lot to lose on a poor selection. The risk of loosing $400 and a whole night makes more time and money spent on the selection process justifiable in my eyes.
I'd agree that the selection period doesnt need to be onerous and can be a fun night in itself. 😁
[QUOTE=Admin;2223373]Thread Starter.[/QUOTE]Ok. This is a rant and it's about the condition of sidewalks in Thailand and Bangkok specifically. I lived in Bangkok during the winter of 2015 and 2016 and thought the sidewalks were in horrendous condition. This year they are even worse. Check out near Soi 8 going in both directions and the opposite side of street headed towards Thermae and the high end hotels. Really abyismal. Of course, this extends to virtually every sidewalk area stretching from Siam to OnNut and beyond.
Last Sunday, I went to the Ari neighborhood for dinner though and was pleasantly surprised by the area. The sidewalks, albeit with telephone poles stuck in the middle, were in significantly better condition than further down on SUK. Plus traffic was negigible and I could feel a nice calm ambience all through this neighborhood. It's the last stop on BTS line before MoChit. Check it out. Some nice restaurants here as well plus some interesting shops and coffee hangouts.
With all the tax dollars coming in, one would think the city could improve the condition of the sidewalks but unlikely to happen. Is the city responsible for maintenance or the individual owners in front of the sidewalk?
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With all the tax dollars coming in, one would think the city could improve the condition of the sidewalks but unlikely to happen. Is the city responsible for maintenance or the individual owners in front of the sidewalk?[/QUOTE]One could rant about the standards of many things, e. G. Non inforcement of road rules, too many drunk drivers, abysmal layout of power lines and poles, extremely frequent transformer blow-ups and other power outages. All very normal here. Even persons jumping off 5th floor of building did not hit the ground, rather hit the vast arrays of power lines on the way down. May have saved them if not electrocuted.
Walking pavements are continually ripped up and redone, due to problems with pipes and conduits underneath whether contain water, drainage, sewer, whatever. Also due to poor standard of the work not intended to last long. You learn to take care when walking due to uneven walks, sudden dips, holes, etc.
Believe it or not, sidewalks were far worse in 1991, including excessive foul stinks from drains everywhere. Always danger of foot going down some hole. Also severe danger to bash head on low hanging signs, trees, etc. , if taller than the Thai people. Even bashed my head on the aircon in a bus once. Less than 6 foot above the floor. Doorways into toilets were typically less than 6 foot high also.
Either things are a lot better or I just got used to it. Don't bash the head any more. Don't put foot into slimy sludge accidentally. Automatically more vigilent for problems.
The new government is Image conscious but action is a bit limited, and sometimes window dressing the problems, with unwelcome change, like cleaning out street stalls selling food and other stuff.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2268390]
Getting number 2 is a real challenge and strongly related to number 1. And when I say "girlfriend", I mean the connection part where, for whatever reason it "feels like" you both want to be there and are into each other. This is related to 1 because it is very hard to establish this with massage / Clinica, brothel lineup or incall / outcal for that matter. And for some of us (me!) this is the most important part. The experience is 10 x better when it feels more than physical.
[/QUOTE]The GFE part is important to some of us, not really repeating girls that are just mechanical fucks, or clearly not into it at all, even making it difficult. In the 1990's I had a lot of great GFEs in soapies, especially ChaoPraya 2, but does seem harder to get in the modern day. Am I just too old now, maybe, but I think girls attitudes have changed too.
In former times, perhaps sometimes today, a girl might fuck the guy bareback in the bath or on bodyslide mat, when getting carried away, and it seemed like she was too horny to wait to get on the bed (even if not actually true).
Still when I go see a girl, and she just can't keep her tongue out of my mouth for very long, it does keep me in the mood big time. I feel the dick stirring just thinking of her kisses. Obviously I am a guy extremely oriented to get a customer well hooked. Ha ha.
I like to see what style the girl has, for a new girl. Not just pull the trigger immediately and request a fuck.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2268530]The GFE part is important to some of us, not really repeating girls that are just mechanical fucks, or clearly not into it at all, even making it difficult. In the 1990's I had a lot of great GFEs in soapies, especially ChaoPraya 2, but does seem harder to get in the modern day. Am I just too old now, maybe, but I think girls attitudes have changed too.
In former times, perhaps sometimes today, a girl might fuck the guy bareback in the bath or on bodyslide mat, when getting carried away, and it seemed like she was too horny to wait to get on the bed (even if not actually true).
Still when I go see a girl, and she just can't keep her tongue out of my mouth for very long, it does keep me in the mood big time. I feel the dick stirring just thinking of her kisses. Obviously I am a guy extremely oriented to get a customer well hooked. Ha ha.
I like to see what style the girl has, for a new girl. Not just pull the trigger immediately and request a fuck.[/QUOTE]They all should provide GFE or pse right off the bat without us having to spend time having to probe, question, et al. It's their job. Now if a customer wants to spend time romancing, playing, etc, theu should provide that as well. We're the customer ffs, seems so many guys forget that.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2268549]They all should provide GFE or pse right off the bat without us having to spend time having to probe, question, et al. It's their job. Now if a customer wants to spend time romancing, playing, etc, theu should provide that as well. We're the customer ffs, seems so many guys forget that.[/QUOTE]However girls cannot just switch on sexual desire. Maybe some are great actresses, but there are plenty who don't try to put on an act, and plenty who try but are obvious. For many guys its irrelevant. Just as well since if you are the 5th or more customer of a girl in the Oily or BJ shop, she is just providing a service and that is all. That type of service is not really my scene normally. Mostly I take fresh girls as their first customer for the day, and likely their only customer. This increases chances they are really into it with no need to put on an act, almost like my Thermae girls in the early 90's who were horny very part time girls.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2268549]They all should provide GFE or pse right off the bat without us having to spend time having to probe, question, et al. It's their job.[/QUOTE]Just as all carsalesmen should give a fair appraisal of his cars faults, a fair comparison against competitor models and not try to make a sale based upon short term profits.
I understand what you are saying but it is an ideal world rather than reality where any occupation tries to maximize their income with minimal effort. The best that we can hope for is that they are looking at long term return when customers return or refer them to others rather than income in the next 60 minutes.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2268592]However girls cannot just switch on sexual desire. Maybe some are great actresses, but there are plenty who don't try to put on an act, and plenty who try but are obvious. For many guys its irrelevant. Just as well since if you are the 5th or more customer of a girl in the Oily or BJ shop, she is just providing a service and that is all. That type of service is not really my scene normally. Mostly I take fresh girls as their first customer for the day, and likely their only customer. This increases chances they are really into it with no need to put on an act, almost like my Thermae girls in the early 90's who were horny very part time girls.[/QUOTE]It's not about their desire. They need to be good actresses. Yep, I miss the Thermae part-timers. They were fun.
I teach the girls to say "give it to me" over and over again during sex. That's a turn on for me.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2268592]However girls cannot just switch on sexual desire. Maybe some are great actresses, but there are plenty who don't try to put on an act, and plenty who try but are obvious. For many guys its irrelevant. Just as well since if you are the 5th or more customer of a girl in the Oily or BJ shop, she is just providing a service and that is all. [/QUOTE]
It doesn't Katharine Hepburn level acting to have a nice GFE attitude, give a bit of DFK and eye contact along with all the standard services, which is sufficiently convincing for most guys. Indeed, some girls can overdo the acting and are obvious fakes, but it's not necessary (for me at least), a plain "I don't mind being here and fucking, and will try to make it good" is sufficient. I've had girls in 10-customer per day low-end venues who could pull off a decent enough friendly attitude on a regular basis.
Thai culture places general emphasis on getting along and being pleasant (as well as superficial deference to those perceived to have higher social standing). In the past, that has made for a great attitude of hookers on average. Unfortunately, times are changing. Part of the problem might be that Farang as a group are no longer held in especially high regard either.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2267898]Could not agree more. Any more effort than that is too much.[/QUOTE]That works for you, but some guys are looking for something different. I can remember each and every Thai hottie I have had. Even knowing Hawk's Law, I continue to try to find that super hottie, one who will give me that GFE I long for. I continually fail at it, but with very few exceptions, I still want to be with them again as they are so hot. I cannot, OTOH, remember each GFE or PSE I have received on Soi 6. So, given Hawk's Law, I know that I will never be able to walk up to such a dream girl and simply demand what I wish for. To have any chance of breaking Hawk's Law, I will need game. I am too old and too cheap to toss out 10,000's of TBH to otherwise buy it.
If guys are happy with what they are getting with the blunt approach, then excellent. Just accept that some vacationing dudes enjoy the chase of going after the hottest of the hot. We many never be totally satisfied (and maybe that is for the best for if they gave a GFE we might fall in love with them), but at least it provides some entertainment.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2268334]This is a weird question to me. Can you walk into Hertz and rent a car? Can you go into McDonald's and buy a burger? .[/QUOTE]The girls I tend to want would compare closer to La Tour the'Argent more than Hertz or McDonalds! That said, I usually settle for Outback or Taco Bell.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2269388]To have any chance of breaking Hawk's Law, I will need game. [/QUOTE]Engine Driver's Theory is that there is already one egotistical maniac on this board. LOL.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2269131]It doesn't Katharine Hepburn level acting to have a nice GFE attitude, give a bit of DFK and eye contact along with all the standard services, which is sufficiently convincing for most guys. [/QUOTE]Most of the girls did not go into prostitution because they want to have GFE sex with all of their customers. This is not a job most of them dreamed of having. It is simply a way to get money. I was acquainted with a lady close to my own age, and she once made a subdued pass at me. I thought about it for a second, but quickly realized that she was fat, had drooping skin and tons of wrinkles, and while I could probably get some decent sex from her, I couldn't possibly imagine kissing her and having our tongues in each other's mouth. I figured I would throw up. I would rather wait to have sex with a young Thai woman in 5 months than do this old fattie. I presume these same Thai girls are equally grossed out by some of us, and the fact some will actually do DFK with me and seem to enjoy it is something I find amazing. We may think it is part of the job, but they may think they are doing enough simply stripping down and spreading their legs for us.
1. Monkeypaw's Final Report at #333.
My first night in Bangkok was celebrated with an awesome time with an awesome girl. At this point, I can act like she doesn't have name like some folks in their reports, or I can just call her Kwan. Before our meet up at Thermae, I had strolled to Nana and Soi Cowboy and there wasn't any new talent that caught my eye. It was slow and early for a Sunday night. Around 9 ish, Monkeypaw made a detour to Thermae, but took the Soi 15 back entrance across from the Hooters. Monkeypaw Final Tip: Use this entrance if you want to not have to buy a drink just to look. This is where the girls and customer smoke to avoid the ladyboys out by the stairs in the front of Sukhumvit. As I walked by the bathroom, I saw Kwan one of my all time favorite and she was not only smoking, but literally smoking hot. I forgot that this is where she likes to stand to chat up customers who smoke. Her icebreaker is to always ask or bum a cigarette from a customer. She doesn't really smoke herself. It beats the same old "Hello, what's your name, where you from, how long you holiday yada, yada, yada. " At this point, I could choose not describe her looks or her body like some folks in their reports or better yet, I'll include photos below of Kwan. Because when Monkeypaw says a girl is smoking hot, he wants the whole world to know what his idea of smoking hot is, not just some random "beauty eye beholder" crap. Long story short, I walked in after telling her "Hi," did a round in Thermae, and there was nothing better looking than Kwan. Went back to the bathroom area and we agreed on 3000 for ST. Last time I grabbed her it was only 2500, but I guess she is gaining popularity. At this point, I can whine about raised prices for sex like some folks, or blame it on an entire race of customers, but I rather just get exactly what I want in terms of looks, and pay what she asked. That's because, I know her stomach is flat, those tits are nice and perky, and the ass is round and firm. At this point, I can just write up a hot and detailed session without any other identifying or locating information on the girl like some other folks, but let's just finish it with "the experience I got was GFE with a CIM finish that she swallowed every drop that was worthy of a Monkeypaw 2 Paws Up. ".
2. It's Just a Number's Game.
[QUOTE=StinkyFeet;2261698]Numbers are universally easier to understand than ground or above ground or below ground nonsense. Not everyone understands English. Logical right?[/QUOTE]The countdown that Monkeypaw has been doing has luckily gotten to this point. I can do my final report in at #333, something I had foreshadowed way back when.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2245240] SNIP- There were a few more. Still hopelessly searching for #333 -SNIP.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2245328] SNIP- I'm still hoping for my #333 as well, but not at Tantra. Good report by the way and thanks for including the numbers. Monkeypaw 2 Paws Up for you.[/QUOTE]Interesting how all the stars aligned and everything seems like a coincidence, but Monkeypaw is pretty sure, that we are all a part of a bigger plan, with some holding a bigger role than others. How important is this? It means I'm balanced in body, mind, and spirit. I know already who I am and my purpose in life. I'm also believer that numbers are important as it is how the universe communicates with us. Since I can remember, the numbers 66,666 have always followed me around. From the street address I lived on, to the phone numbers I had, all the way to random times that it's appeared to my eyes like in the photo inside the taxi. Whether it's the mark of the beast, the devil's sign, or whatever evil that lies with the 6's, it's a part of me. Does to scare me? Nope, because I know my core. My favorite color is still blue. Or better yet, well stated by BB.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2248380] -SNIP He's the only Michael who can dance with the Devil.[/QUOTE]3. The Perfect 10.
So as a parting gift (since I need to devote less time writing lengthy posts as per Rob, who doesn't apparently know that Dragon speech recognition software exists. You and some other folks still need to get 20/20 in 2020.), I'll clear up this whole 10 and stunner thing as a last favor. It's always been subjective to "your own" history. So it's that simple. Use the scale below and pick only one number that the girl you are rating would fall under. You go by "your own" previous experience and let her numbers fall where they may. That's how beauty works. It's always society's (the majority) opinion that counts to what is beauty, not our own. That's how beauty pageants work. So it's better to have a standard scale that os easy to follow.
(Read carefully and pick only one based on "your own" history for the girl).
1. I'd rather experiment on the Japanese sex doll.
2. I have to be drugged, drunk, forced, dared and loss.
3. Have to pay me 2500 baht for short time (No BFE).
4. Only BBBJ worthy, but not tell anybody.
5. I'the do her, but not tell anybody.
6. Full GFE worthy. Willing to tell others. Seen in public together.
7. I'm willing to "PAY" her money for her services. Plus #6.
8. Better looking than 80% of all girls I've "been with "before. Plus #6 and #7.
9. Better looking than 90% of all girls I've "been with" before. Plus #6 and #7.
10. Better looking than "All or 100%" of the girls I've "been with" in my entire life. The "BEST. " Plus #6 and # 7.
I included a sample of this well agreed on "hot girl. " Feel free to upload your own pic, share, and get an idea where she stands using "anonvote", which is the site for creating anonymous polls.
[URL]http://www.anonvote.com/strawpoll/s12829v[/URL]
4. Another Parting Gift.
My all time favorite scene from one of the best movies ever made, if anyone can guess. Pay attention to the sound bite right around the 2:03 mark.
[URL]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-_6560AW1zQ[/URL]
5. Bait and Switch.
Not sure why some folks on here still trying to bait Monkeypaw into talking anymore about "game. " I remember my promise from my last post, it's done and over with it. Shit is pointless. A promise is a promise, so go back and read my previous report. That was my "last mention of game. " But thinking back on my younger years, before I really experienced P4P, I did some pretty crazy ass shit. I guess once again, it's just my life, because I have what is called "LIFE. " Just going around letting people entertain me with fish candy and cockroaches, while I wait for my time.
1. In the USA and HK, I fucked models, employees and coworkers (at very job I've worked which is over a dozen), and so many girls (with boyfriends or already married) in their homes while their spouses were away. And yes, even fucked strippers in America for no money exchanged because I had straight-line access to the "goodies. " All free, even the "goodies."
2. Fucked so many random girls with just one phone conversation. While living in the USA when I was younger, I used the phone book to pranked call girls at random. Then I went to their houses that same night to fuck, just from that single conversion as our only rapport. A handful of times, I ran away because they lied about what they looked like.
3. At the suggestion of my father, enrolled in nursing program in Texas, at all women's university. It was hell getting accepted, but they finally let me in. While there, I fucked an hot Asian nursing student who eventually became a nurse (easy and obvious), another beautiful Asian regular student who wasn't a nursing student and didn't want to be a nurse that ended up being a nurse, a hot white girl nursing student with huge fake tits, who failed nursing school and became something else, an older (early 40's) but sexy nursing professor, and lastly a cute young Hispanic who was an actual nurse. I eventually got kicked out of the program for my bad behavior. At least it helped cured my boredom to past some time.
4. Took the girl next door who was attending community college, broke, and watering her grass. Shaved her pussy and fucked her on first meeting ever, in her mom's house. After fucking her again on the second meeting the next day, I talked her into becoming working girl for money and passed her around on another USA sex forum board. Some of you guys from the other board may have remembered her as the spinner Asian Alexis.
5. Dated a hot law student, a blonde white girl, while I was fresh out of high school. And convinced her to become a stripper because I wanted to move out of the house and my parents didn't want to give me any money. After she got me an apartment under my name paid out for a year, I dumped her. Now she's a successful corporate lawyer in Houston.
6. Picked up and fucked two legal aged runaway teenagers, one white, one Latina, from the bus stop for only two Jack in the Box tacos each. On top of that, it was buy 1 get 1 free 2 for 99 cents Taco Tuesday. They ended up staying with me for 3 days with non stop fucking and sucking, until I finally took them back home because of my conscience. This story was famous on another sex board in the USA.
7. Met, took to a motel, and fucked a really hot and sexy (2 months pregnant) white girl while she was leaving the at the doctor's office. Her boyfriend had ran off on her. After I fucked her, I convinced her that night to post on Craigslist and make some money selling her ass. I stole from her $40 while she was showering, because I had paid for the motel for her. I didn't wanted to be her pimp, just shown her the light. Hit and run.
8. Fucked 4 different Asian bridesmaids at one wedding. Simply amazing feat. (Picture attached).
9. Picked up a cute white girl, who needed a ride home from a night club in Houston. No drinks, no dancing, she only wanted a ride. On the way home we (a buddy and I) got her agree to a threesome including DP action at her apartment. After we were done and when she was showering, we ran off without even saying "bye. " We had promised tp take her to IHOP, but decided to renege.
10. When I was in high school, I needed some extra school clothes, so I got this cute white girl working at the Palais Royal, to agree to let us drop her off her home. This was our first encounter outside of her job. On the way to her house, she was sucking my dick in the front seat, while my friend was driving and kept fingering her. All this, in his ragged ass Dodge Dart with hole in floor that he bought for $100. Afterwards, we admitted that the reason we were always at her section in the store was that we were stealing clothes all the time. The next day, we went up to Palais Royal again, and she let us steal some more clothes. Then I blocked her number.
Now I see why my father said it is better I just do P4 P and let him foot the bill. They weren't ready for me. Once I've reached my reward at being #1 at the #1, nothing else needs to be proven. Unless anybody feels froggy and wants to jump.
[QUOTE=MonkeyPaw;2267016] SNIP- Let's hang out. I'll be in Pattaya and Bangkok from the end of December until mid February 2019. Come sit down next to me at a club and let me pick your girl. Don't worry, most guys say I have very good taste in girls and she will be one of the top girls in the bar. If she agrees to fuck you, I'll pay for her. If she doesn't, you pay for only my drinks. If you think it's a set up between the Paw and the girl, my drinks usually total around only 1000 baht, not enough for a girl lose out on the 3000 baht for herself if she goes with you. All they care about is the money right? It should be easy because "all the game you need is money. " And technically, you don't even need that, because it's going to be Monkeypaw's money. So any takers? -SNIP[/QUOTE]Amazing there are still no takers for a free session, paid for by yours truly, with a hot Go Go dancer. Unless it's a checkmate and "you've been Monkeypawed."
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2269394]Most of the girls did not go into prostitution because they want to have GFE sex with all of their customers. This is not a job most of them dreamed of having. It is simply a way to get money. I was acquainted with a lady close to my own age, and she once made a subdued pass at me. I thought about it for a second, but quickly realized that she was fat, had drooping skin and tons of wrinkles, and while I could probably get some decent sex from her, I couldn't possibly imagine kissing her and having our tongues in each other's mouth. I figured I would throw up. I would rather wait to have sex with a young Thai woman in 5 months than do this old fattie. I presume these same Thai girls are equally grossed out by some of us, and the fact some will actually do DFK with me and seem to enjoy it is something I find amazing. We may think it is part of the job, but they may think they are doing enough simply stripping down and spreading their legs for us.[/QUOTE]For the purposes of procreation, Nature/Natural Selection has determined that, while there is definitely a time limit on when a human female can produce healthy offspring, if at all, there is no such time limit for human males. Women stop producing eggs at a certain age, these days I suppose at around age 50. Men virtually never stop producing sperm. 95 year old men can still father children. That being the case, Nature/Natural Selection has provided that women are not nearly as turned off by the prospect of having sex with an old man as men are turned off by the prospect of having sex with an old lady.
Some females can certainly be "equally grossed out" by the prospect of engaging in sexual activity with some older men. But it is not really built into the female brain that they would be "equally grossed out" by it in general. Thankfully.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2269394]Most of the girls did not go into prostitution because they want to have GFE sex with all of their customers. This is not a job most of them dreamed of having. It is simply a way to get money. I was acquainted with a lady close to my own age, and she once made a subdued pass at me. I thought about it for a second, but quickly realized that she was fat, had drooping skin and tons of wrinkles, and while I could probably get some decent sex from her, I couldn't possibly imagine kissing her and having our tongues in each other's mouth. I figured I would throw up. I would rather wait to have sex with a young Thai woman in 5 months than do this old fattie. I presume these same Thai girls are equally grossed out by some of us, and the fact some will actually do DFK with me and seem to enjoy it is something I find amazing. We may think it is part of the job, but they may think they are doing enough simply stripping down and spreading their legs for us.[/QUOTE]Doesn't really matter why they went into it. It is the path they chose. There are plenty of others they could have chosen. Sorry, whether you are fixing my car, serving my food, or attending to me sexually, I have certain expectations. If you don't want to do the job correctly and well, then be a FL where you have more freedom of choice, or choose another career.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2269472]Doesn't really matter why they went into it. It is the path they chose. There are plenty of others they could have chosen. Sorry, whether you are fixing my car, serving my food, or attending to me sexually, I have certain expectations. If you don't want to do the job correctly and well, then be a FL where you have more freedom of choice, or choose another career.[/QUOTE]+1 on that, Goatscrot.
[QUOTE=FLHawk;2269388]That works for you, but some guys are looking for something different. I can remember each and every Thai hottie I have had. Even knowing Hawk's Law, I continue to try to find that super hottie, one who will give me that GFE I long for. I continually fail at it, but with very few exceptions, I still want to be with them again as they are so hot. I cannot, OTOH, remember each GFE or PSE I have received on Soi 6. So, given Hawk's Law, I know that I will never be able to walk up to such a dream girl and simply demand what I wish for. To have any chance of breaking Hawk's Law, I will need game. I am too old and too cheap to toss out 10,000's of TBH to otherwise buy it.
If guys are happy with what they are getting with the blunt approach, then excellent. Just accept that some vacationing dudes enjoy the chase of going after the hottest of the hot. We many never be totally satisfied (and maybe that is for the best for if they gave a GFE we might fall in love with them), but at least it provides some entertainment.[/QUOTE]There is a difference between residents and visitors, that is true. However, for us "old school mongers" who have been engaging in P4 P for 20 plus years and have been doing the BKK thing since the 90's, we remember a time when you could get the best lookers easily and the egos of punters played little to no part in the scene. Almost all of us came over here to escape the silly games back home. We had and still have no desire to "chase" women or pursue them. That would completely defeat the point of being here. Competition to over gals in a P4 P scene? What a ridiculous notion.
Thailand was easy. You could not walk 10 meters on Suk at night without hearing, "go with you, go with you. " The same held true with walking street. It required zero effort to find a great looking gal whose performance was going to be ok. When Cowboy and Nana closed you could stand outside of either and the gals who did not get a BF would come up to you and try to get you to take them. It was quite unreal. And hey, it was never more than 25 USD for the most part, so expectations were not the same. That being said, I've yet to meet a P4 P gal who is worth over a hundred US to me.
Every once in awhile you'd see a mild altercation between two guys in Nana Disco over a gal. The rest of us would just laugh. Too many gals to put forth that much energy.
Sadly the current crop of punters has a very different mindset and have created an environment that puts the customer at a disadvantage. Not being demanding enough, overpaying, and the most ridiculous of all; competing for working girls.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2269465]
Some females can certainly be "equally grossed out" by the prospect of engaging in sexual activity with some older men. But it is not really built into the female brain that they would be "equally grossed out" by it in general. Thankfully.[/QUOTE]He he. While girls may not be totally grossed out by it, I am amazed that some young girls really get into enjoying it big time (me being over 60), while others can be the star fish no response type, and alcohol is capable of helping change a girl from controlled non-responsive to a bit wild for it. DATY has been particularly effective tool for me to change girls from just taking it, to wanting to cum (but not all girls). So putting a bit of effort into turning a girl on, has its benefits.
I wonder if it is also true that us old guys can get totally grossed out by a girl with a bad body, sloppy, fat, etc. And a tired old face, where the reverse does not seem to matter so much with girls, whether the guy is young or old. Some girls even seem to like fat guys more. Seems that guys vary, some accepting plain to terrible looks, with only the fuck mattering, and others like me failing to have the excitement to fuck ugly girls. Even some popular girls, well known on this forum, were pretty unappealing to me. Best I not name them now (have done it before). Don't know if this is really a biological mechanism, or fuelled by looking at beautiful girls originally in magazines, but latter in the internet. Even having slight fantasies about some favourite female movie stars, years ago.
My first Farang wife was probably only a bit better looking than average (not a fatty). Not we have the opportunity to take extra good looking girls for sex, I guess we take them because often out of our league in normal life. However my Thai long time GF now, is both pretty, great body, and more than 20 years younger than me. Here we can get such a girl, so why not. If I see the GF naked, it does still make me feel horny, after all these years. Good ass and tits. Could not say that for all my past GFs. She is not even naggy / bitchy complainer. Bad temper only occasionally. That is hugely important for me to not get sick of the sight of her, after many years.
It is always a worry though that GF is almost hitting the formula of half my age plus 7 years right now. Actually just 1 year over that. Will she still be appealing in 5 to 10 years when fails to fit the formula. Last night had the hots for young girl from a couple staying at my Hotel. I guess she is Thai but unsure as did not hear her speak Thai. Probably at least 10 years younger than my GF, in perfect condition. I was real impressed by his taste for a naturally beautiful girl.
I think it is a bit weird if a guy does not have a roving eyes for hot girls. The biological imperative to impregnate as many women as possible, and result in the best and most offspring. Women I don't think have the same imperative to be impregnated by many different guys. Just choose the best one for her offspring, be he rich, powerful, or whatever. It is just not natural for us to stick to fucking one girl, and religion cannot force us into sticking to one girl. Only certain low brained animals have one mate for life, even then some are playing up.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2269483]
Women I don't think have the same imperative to be impregnated by many different guys. Just choose the best one for her offspring, be he rich, powerful, or whatever..[/QUOTE]Far be it from me to guess what goes on inside the brains of women, but it should be noted that college age and early 20's farang females in particular can be prolific in shagging guys that they find "hot", just for the sake of fucking, instead of longer term "security".
It should be acknowledged that societal / cultural norms play a powerful double standard that also curtails their natural drive (s). Do men get shamed for being "sluts" to nearly the same degree?
After 25 the girls begin to realize the the biological clock is ticking and even more importantly, that their window of catching the "hot AND rich guy" is about to / or is closing so it's now or never time to parlay her features into the best future long term deal she can get. (I'm generalizing but I think everyone gets and agrees with the general idea).
[QUOTE=Catire;2269555]Far be it from me to guess what goes on inside the brains of women, but it should be noted that college age and early 20's farang females in particular can be prolific in shagging guys that they find "hot", just for the sake of fucking, instead of longer term "security".
[/QUOTE]I can imagine young girls trying lots of young guys, in order to find one or two that give the girl a great time, I. E. Not too selfish in the sex. Find out how good and bad a fuck can be. Young guys don't have the experience and training to know exactly how to do it right, and what various girls need, varies. I recall took me 2 or 3 months to work out how to get my first farang GF off. She did not even know what a cum was like at first. Turns out a quite unusual technique was needed (not at all typical). Eventually fluked it. Then always had to be done that way from then on.
Does the guys' skills and performances matter? Surely these girls want to get it off too. They might prefer slightly older more experienced guys or are they happy to get themselves off in cowgirl as long as the guy does not pop too quick.
One young Thai girl (platonic waitress friend of mine but studying economics) was complaining to me about her young French guy who always popped too quick and went flaccid too quickly when ever she tried to get off in cowgirl position. I. e. She wasn't getting a cum, because he was a bit useless. I suggested to dose him with Viagra in the hope he would stay up longer and then his pop might not be so urgent. He might consider holding it for a while. Also to train him up in DATY since so many young inexperienced guys either don't do DATY or "suck" at it. Alternative was for her to find a new Gik guy. She did feedback that the Viagra was a good help.
Many modern young girls do want to enjoy sex and not think about babies hopefully, but young Thai girls in the village seem to still be expected to make babies unfortunately, or even get pregnant on purpose without permission from the boy as means to try to force the Thai boy to marry them rather than just using them as a temporary sex partner. Unfortunately many boys dump the girl and move on to the next one even before the baby gets born. This is the horror young Thais low class society. Such a high percentage of Thai girls are having a baby in teens or early 20s. Many of these young girls have no intention to raise the baby, dumping the child with the girl's mother or the boy's mother, and going off to work in Bangkok. The young couples often split. Many very young children, are crying when the real mother visits because the child does not know his own mother. I see and hear about these things all too often.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2270712]Surely these girls want to get it off too. They might prefer slightly older more experienced guys or are they happy to get themselves off in cowgirl as long as the guy does not pop too quick.[/QUOTE]I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2270733]I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.[/QUOTE]One FKK girl testified she got off with a client no more than twice a week, otherwise it got too exhausting for her. This reduced the odds for each individual monger.
So looking at some condos on property websites I see mention of transfer fees. I saw something that mentioned I believe 1 mil on a particular 1,500,000 baht condo? What does it mean by that? HOA fees appear to be dirt cheap, but I wouldn't want to get suckered on transfer fees. I believe that transfer fees are shared 50/50 with buyer and seller?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2270733]I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.[/QUOTE]Have you looked into sex dolls? They are getting increasingly lifelike. I have a regular back in farangland who I can make cum a minimum of 4 times a session. Blonde 6 ft something MILF and nasty. If she just laid there I'm sure I would have not seen her a second time.
[QUOTE=XXL;2270750]One FKK girl testified she got off with a client no more than twice a week, otherwise it got too exhausting for her. This reduced the odds for each individual monger.[/QUOTE]Makes perfect sense. Only people that are not getting sex regularly think it is really good to be getting off all the time. If you have to fuck for a living who wants to (or even can) be getting off 5 times a day. It ain't as fun when you have to do it for a job. That is why I laugh when I read reports saying she was really in to it.
[QUOTE=Magaman;2270824]So looking at some condos on property websites I see mention of transfer fees. I saw something that mentioned I believe 1 mil on a particular 1,500,000 baht condo? What does it mean by that? HOA fees appear to be dirt cheap, but I wouldn't want to get suckered on transfer fees. I believe that transfer fees are shared 50/50 with buyer and seller?[/QUOTE]Not a very good location. I assume that the area is far from the central district. Everything I looked at was average 6 M +. I stayed in a tower condo on Soi 24, the room was new and the view was nice. The size was 27 SM, it sold for 12.5 MB. And they were selling units in a sales area on the entry. I was shocked at that price, in Honolulu we have some of the highest priced condos in the US, but nothing is that small for that price. I hope someone can answer your question on transfer fees.
RL.
[QUOTE=Magaman;2270824]So looking at some condos on property websites I see mention of transfer fees. I saw something that mentioned I believe 1 mil on a particular 1,500,000 baht condo? What does it mean by that? HOA fees appear to be dirt cheap, but I wouldn't want to get suckered on transfer fees. I believe that transfer fees are shared 50/50 with buyer and seller?[/QUOTE]Stay off websites. You get the best prices when you are on the ground walking around. Go into the lobby and look on the board to see who is selling. But if you had to go to a website I would say maybe bahtandsold. Try to catch someone that has to leave the country and is desperate to get rid of their place. I don't know the HOA fees that you saw. I guess it depends on the amenities. In my buddy's new place that cost 1 million baht, the association fees are like $1000 per year he said.
[quote=pointystick;2270859]have you looked into sex dolls? They are getting increasingly lifelike. I have a regular back in farangland who i can make cum a minimum of 4 times a session. Blonde 6 ft something milf and nasty. If she just laid there i'm sure i would have not seen her a second time.[/quote]lol lol lol lol lol.
[QUOTE=PointyStick;2270859]Have you looked into sex dolls? They are getting increasingly lifelike.[/QUOTE]I have two of them and they are awesome. The only problem is I am lazy and don't like to clean them after use. So I have my maid clean them and that has a cost associated with it.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271078]I have two of them and they are awesome. The only problem is I am lazy and don't like to clean them after use. So I have my maid clean them and that has a cost associated with it.[/QUOTE]I just take a bath with mine.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2270733]I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.[/QUOTE]
Agree 1000%
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2269478]There is a difference between residents and visitors, that is true. However, for us "old school mongers" who have been engaging in P4 P for 20 plus years and have been doing the BKK thing since the 90's, we remember a time when you could get the best lookers easily and the egos of punters played little to no part in the scene. [/QUOTE]
Isn't the biggest factor the fact that you are 20+ years older? If you are 60 now don't you think you would still have a much higher success rate at getting the top girls if you were currently here as a guy in his mid to late 30s? Age matters for men just like age matters for the girls we choose!
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271080]I just take a bath with mine.[/QUOTE]Sounds romantic.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271080] If you are 60 now don't you think you would still have a much higher success rate at getting the top girls if you were currently here as a guy in his mid to late 30s? Age matters for men just like age matters for the girls we choose![/QUOTE]I think it goes both ways depending on the girl. When I first arrived in Asia, I could easily get the non pro girls. I can't do that so easily now 20 years later. But the hard core girls are every bit as easy now as they were back then, maybe easier. I still remember when I first arrived, there was a seriously hard core pro girl who was an absolute stunner. I thought she was the hottest girl in Jakarta. She was a free lancer who used to always go with older guys. She only went with me a few times and she would always choose the older guys over me or the other younger guys when the opportunity was there to go with an older guy. I asked her if she did that because they paid her more money and she told me that was not the case, that they gave her the same money. I could hardly believe it. I thought I was fairly good looking at that time and figured any girl would want to be with me over some old coot for the same price. But her explanation was that many times those old guys didn't even want sex, they just want to go home and cuddle. She preferred that over getting drilled all night by young guys even if they were good looking. (I think she also had a local boyfriend, so that had a lot to do with her choices.) Then again, that was prior to viagra, so I am guessing that had tilted the scales some since then.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271080]Isn't the biggest factor the fact that you are 20+ years older? If you are 60 now don't you think you would still have a much higher success rate at getting the top girls if you were currently here as a guy in his mid to late 30s? Age matters for men just like age matters for the girls we choose![/QUOTE]Well, perhaps partially. I'm early 50's by the way, still have my hair (555), and in very good shape (gym 5 days a week), non-smoker, etc etc. Probably look better now than I did in my early 30's. One of the reasons for choosing Thailand is 20 years ago it was the dudes in their 50's and 60's that had the hottest gals, be it pro or non-pro. Personally I think the influx of Asian punters and the change in attitude towards Westerners is more to blame. Don't think anyone would put forth that we are more "welcome" here than we were 20 years ago. Gals would rather go with Asian guys. For the age question, just head into Thermae. Older Japanese guys who look like they are already embalmed pull the hotties all the time.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2271138]Well, perhaps partially. I'm early 50's by the way, still have my hair (555), and in very good shape (gym 5 days a week), non-smoker, etc etc. Probably look better now than I did in my early 30's. One of the reasons for choosing Thailand is 20 years ago it was the dudes in their 50's and 60's that had the hottest gals, be it pro or non-pro. Personally I think the influx of Asian punters and the change in attitude towards Westerners is more to blame. Don't think anyone would put forth that we are more "welcome" here than we were 20 years ago. Gals would rather go with Asian guys. For the age question, just head into Thermae. Older Japanese guys who look like they are already embalmed pull the hotties all the time.[/QUOTE]I'd also add in the fact that gals have a lot more options now as far as decent paying jobs.
Hope I am allowed to ask this but does anyone know if there is a Japanese or Korean sex board that talks about Thailand? Just curious to see what it says more than anything. Will depend on Google translate. Not sure if you are allowed to post board names on here either so PM me if you prefer.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2271138]Gals would rather go with Asian guys.[/QUOTE]I agree that is the trend in Thailand. If that's a problem for you, you are in the wrong country. Move to Indonesia. White men are treated like rock stars in Indonesia.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271241]Hope I am allowed to ask this but does anyone know if there is a Japanese or Korean sex board that talks about Thailand? Just curious to see what it says more than anything. Will depend on Google translate. Not sure if you are allowed to post board names on here either so PM me if you prefer.[/QUOTE]I have seen Japanese posts translated to English and also seen Thai forums. Neither are particularly enlightening. They deal in vagueness, smart comments, expressions of excitement, and comparison to other things, rather than calling a spade a spade. Very indirect hinting at things. In the end, I found I learned absolutely nothing.
Most forums are pretty bad for any detail. ISG is probably by far the best, despite low quality posts often appearing. A few years back one forum staring with W seemed to be highly fixated on Annies for unknown reason, and mostly 2 and 3 line smart ass comments. Others can have a different opinion but most forums were quite useless for a Farang like me. Even I can read Thai very well, they use a lot of words that are not real words (not in a dictionary) either teenage slang, or made up words, or words that are imitating the sound of something like "Ka-boom" for example, is not a real word. "Boom boom" is also not a real word but in this case we know it is a euphemism for fucking. So not normal conversational Thai, not formal or technical Thai, rather bullshit Thai. Lots of repeat word marks, e. G. To mean "good good good good", or "yes yes yeeeeeeees". This sort of rubbish, like the writer is on drugs, or about to cum at the time.
Never seen Korean forum translated.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2270733]I don't give two shits if a girl I am paying gets off or not.[/QUOTE]The topic at the time was young girls wanting to fuck guys. I hate the "Shag" word. Part of special UK crude language. 555. Fuck seems much nicer to me.
Paying hookers is another thing. However I prefer hookers who appear to be having a good time regardless of a cum or not. Girls not into it really spoils my fun. I have been able to fuck girls showing little or zero response if they have really hot bodies to compensate and are not at all obstructive, When it comes to obstructive girls including the stiff legs type, then I really can't do them at all. Maybe psychologically it would seem like having to try to are*pe them. Big kissing girls usually seem to be in the mood. That matters.
Most of my girls cum relatively easily, where I am much more difficult, except for the ex CH girl who cums with fair difficulty but makes it occasionally. I am not really doing many girls that will have a lot of subsequent guys on the same day, and hence resist getting carried away to preserve their energy. This would happen a lot if you are an early customer in an MP. If you are the late customer, girl may already be "fucked out". Most of my regular girls (in fact all them) appear to want the DATY before sex unless they are having a period and concerned about smell or blood, much like many guys would want a BBBJ first. None seem in a big hurry to get the dick in.
One hooker Mali from Shark claimed to have cum 3 times (on last occasion), but I did not necessarily believe her. However she possibly had no reason to bullshit, so may have been true. Last time saw her she was with a customer in Billboard and claimed to have not been working Shark for a few weeks. Maybe staying with the customer full time.
So while many of you are taking mechanical girls or starfish, it is not my favourite thing. "Lovey Dovey" potentially orgasmic girls works for me big time, failing that, having a 9 points body, letting me have fun with it, relaxed and no obstructions. This later type would be a hot girl I had in 5 Star. Very deadpan, but still managed to enjoy her great body. No clue if she started to enjoy the DATY or not. Can't even remember the name now. Have to look back to old report, even have done her twice.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2271291]The topic at the time was young girls wanting to fuck guys. I hate the "Shag" word. Part of special UK crude language. 555. Fuck seems much nicer to me.
Paying hookers is another thing. However I prefer hookers who appear to be having a good time regardless of a cum or not. Girls not into it really spoils my fun. I have been able to fuck girls showing little or zero response if they have really hot bodies to compensate and are not at all obstructive, When it comes to obstructive girls including the stiff legs type, then I really can't do them at all. Maybe psychologically it would seem like having to try to are*pe them. Big kissing girls usually seem to be in the mood. That matters.
Most of my girls cum relatively easily, where I am much more difficult, except for the ex CH girl who cums with fair difficulty but makes it occasionally. I am not really doing many girls that will have a lot of subsequent guys on the same day, and hence resist getting carried away to preserve their energy. This would happen a lot if you are an early customer in an MP. If you are the late customer, girl may already be "fucked out". Most of my regular girls (in fact all them) appear to want the DATY before sex unless they are having a period and concerned about smell or blood, much like many guys would want a BBBJ first. None seem in a big hurry to get the dick in.
One hooker Mali from Shark claimed to have cum 3 times (on last occasion), but I did not necessarily believe her. However she possibly had no reason to bullshit, so may have been true. Last time saw her she was with a customer in Billboard and claimed to have not been working Shark for a few weeks. Maybe staying with the customer full time.
So while many of you are taking mechanical girls or starfish, it is not my favourite thing. "Lovey Dovey" potentially orgasmic girls works for me big time, failing that, having a 9 points body, letting me have fun with it, relaxed and no obstructions. This later type would be a hot girl I had in 5 Star. Very deadpan, but still managed to enjoy her great body. No clue if she started to enjoy the DATY or not. Can't even remember the name now. Have to look back to old report, even have done her twice.[/QUOTE]Part of their job is to act like they are into it in a convincing fashion, even if they are not.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271268]I agree that is the trend in Thailand. If that's a problem for you, you are in the wrong country. Move to Indonesia. White men are treated like rock stars in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]Yes, that seems to be the case. Guess regular trips are in order. I remember when the white man was treated like a rock star here in LOS. Sure miss it.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2271554]Yes, that seems to be the case. Guess regular trips are in order. I remember when the white man was treated like a rock star here in LOS. Sure miss it.[/QUOTE]There are still areas in Pattaya at least where Farang is King. Soi 6, soi 7, Soi 8, LK Metro, iBar, Redcar, most G clubs and BJ bars, ThaiFriendly, almost any outdoor beer bar complex, Beach Road freelancers, massage streets like Soi 25 and Soi Honey, and some Walking Street gogo bars like Sapphire, Windmill, Taboo, Heaven Above, Atlantis, Living Dolls, etc. This list entails likely 75% of what Pattaya has to offer, excluding Thai bars which I have yet to read a report of on here.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2271268]I agree that is the trend in Thailand. If that's a problem for you, you are in the wrong country. Move to Indonesia. White men are treated like rock stars in Indonesia.[/QUOTE]I don't know if age or race is the main reason. I have read many reports by newbies in Chinese forums. There are just so many newbies visiting Thailand, and many are taken advantage of by the girls. Some almost sound like scams that were ridiculous.
Like here, they also complain about high roller, Japanese, and Korean. I guess Japanese and Korean probably are also complaining about the same thing.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2271560]There are still areas in Pattaya at least where Farang is King. Soi 6, soi 7, Soi 8, LK Metro, iBar, Redcar, most G clubs and BJ bars, ThaiFriendly, almost any outdoor beer bar complex, Beach Road freelancers, massage streets like Soi 25 and Soi Honey, and some Walking Street gogo bars like Sapphire, Windmill, Taboo, Heaven Above, Atlantis, Living Dolls, etc. This list entails likely 75% of what Pattaya has to offer, excluding Thai bars which I have yet to read a report of on here.[/QUOTE]But for the most part, and I will acknowledge there are exceptions, those places employe some pretty mediocre looking gals. Mind you, dark skin, baby, hard Isaan face, crosses them off my list.
As a non user, I've always been told that vitamin V and Cialis assist in maintaining a strong erection but may limit the ability to ejaculate at all, let alone many times. Now I read in the Soapy pages that guys are getting 4+ shots away in an hour or two.
I could possibly manage that for the first day or two after arrival but then it's one or two a DAY max. However, staying hard all night is easy for the first 2 or 3 weeks if I'm with someone I find visually arousing. Again, I'll stay hard for ages but there may only be one shot for the evening.
So my question is, what are guys using to permit multiple shots per day or evening (or even in rapid succession over an hour or two) when they don't have an issue getting or remaining erect? Do Viagra and Cialis provide the same effect of to they act differently? Have I been misinformed on the stamina vs ejaculation trade off?
Cheers, G.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2275924]So my question is, what are guys using to permit multiple shots per day or evening (or even in rapid succession over an hour or two) when they don't have an issue getting or remaining erect? Do Viagra and Cialis provide the same effect of to they act differently? Have I been misinformed on the stamina vs ejaculation trade off?[/QUOTE]I think you are missing the recovery aspect that ED meds can provide. Yes; they can slow you down some for round one, but they can also get you ready quicker for round two and beyond.
SL.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2275924]As a non user, I've always been told that vitamin V and Cialis assist in maintaining a strong erection but may limit the ability to ejaculate at all, let alone many times.[/QUOTE]I'm sure everybody responds a little differently, but I agree with your comments. First, the ED meds help me get hard. Second, they do not help me get repeated orgasms. In fact, for me they tend to make me slower to reach climax, which is a good thing for the first girl of the day. But for the 2nd or 3rd girl of the day, I might get nice and hard but not be able to finish. And finally, for me these characteristics are true with both Viagra and Cialis. I don't know about Levitra, I only tried it one time and it was ineffective for everything.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2275924]As a non user, I've always been told that vitamin V and Cialis assist in maintaining a strong erection but may limit the ability to ejaculate at all, let alone many times. [/QUOTE]This is my experience as well. When I'm using ED meds more than two days in a row, even when I only have one romp a day, I can hardly get to the finish anymore.
So I consider them as a backup and only take them occasionaly when I can't get or stay strong for one reason or the other.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2276948]This is my experience as well. When I'm using ED meds more than two days in a row, even when I only have one romp a day, I can hardly get to the finish anymore.
So I consider them as a backup and only take them occasionaly when I can't get or stay strong for one reason or the other.[/QUOTE]Every one must be different. I only use ED meds when planning on fucking more then once a day as the mind is willing but. You know the rest. I can usually finish 75% off the time. Without I can finish after one session but after 2 days of sex 3 times a day I have trouble getting an erection up to 12 hours between encounters. I will pill up daily when I am in Pattaya.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2275992]I think you are missing the recovery aspect that ED meds can provide. Yes; they can slow you down some for round one, but they can also get you ready quicker for round two and beyond.
SL.[/QUOTE]Thanks for this. When you say "recovery" do you mean the ability to maintain an erection only or to be able to continie to ejaculation?
As I am now, ie unmedicated, I have the choice of a short to medium session to ejaculation or an all nighter with out. If I have not ejaculated I can get hard again basically at will so I'm wondering what benefit, if any, EDs would provide me? It looks as if they assist in maintaining an erection, which is generally not a problems for me if I find the girl's looks or performance arousing, but do not assist with multiple ejaculation, which I would find nice but not essential.
Thanks Again, G.
PS. I should mention that my trips are usually several weeks so my comments are about days or weeks in, not the first day or two.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2277417]Thanks for this. When you say "recovery" do you mean the ability to maintain an erection only or to be able to continie to ejaculation?
As I am now, ie unmedicated, I have the choice of a short to medium session to ejaculation or an all nighter with out. If I have not ejaculated I can get hard again basically at will so I'm wondering what benefit, if any, EDs would provide me? It looks as if they assist in maintaining an erection, which is generally not a problems for me if I find the girl's looks or performance arousing, but do not assist with multiple ejaculation, which I would find nice but not essential.
Thanks Again, G.[/QUOTE]ED meds will help you get hard and stay hard. They will often delay ejaculation. In the case of Cialis, anejaculation is very common. Cialis is also called a weekend drug in that one dose on Friday night and you're good to go the whole weekend. Viagra only lasts about 4 hours and you have to remember to pop a pill as soon as you pay the barfine.
What ED drugs will not help you with is improving libido. Not much point in getting a boner when you don't really want to fuck.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2277420]ED meds will help you get hard and stay hard. They will often delay ejaculation. In the case of Cialis, anejaculation is very common.[/QUOTE]Thanks sounds like they may not be for me. Getting or staying hard is rarely an issue but multiple pops (or even one after an all night sessuon) would be good. However, it looks as if EDs will not assist there.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2277420]ED meds will help you get hard and stay hard. They will often delay ejaculation. In the case of Cialis, anejaculation is very common...[/QUOTE]It would be more accurate to say ED drugs do nothing to enhance ejaculation. I don't think they delay or impede it. It's just that they enable you to have intercourse in cases when without them you couldn't have intercourse let alone ejaculate. I don't believe the "desensitisation" story. Any impression you ejaculate quicker when not on ED drugs is because you then need to finish quicker (before detumescence sets in).
It is a story analog to that of Viagra increasing the chances of sudden death. If Viagra prevented old men from dying it would be the first ever drug with death as medical indication.
[QUOTE=XXL;2277486]It would be more accurate to say ED drugs do nothing to enhance ejaculation. I don't think they delay or impede it.[/QUOTE]Based on my personal experience, I agree with your first sentence, but disagree with your second sentence. For me, this is true for both Viagra and Cialis. It might be different for other people.
[QUOTE=XXL;2277486] I don't think they delay or impede it.[/QUOTE]Cialis does impede ejaculation for many men, as do a range of anti-depressant drugs (SSRIs). Anejaculation is well documented for Cialis. Numerous double blind tests have been conducted to show that this is common, particularly after the first pop. Google is your friend.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2277890] Cialis does impede ejaculation for many men, as do a range of anti-depressant drugs (SSRIs). Anejaculation is well documented for Cialis. Numerous double blind tests have been conducted to show that this is common, particularly after the first pop. Google is your friend.[/QUOTE]My impression was that without Cialis there would be either no 2nd pop or there would be one equally devoid of ejaculation. As to google being my friend I seem to find studies that say things like "Treatment with tadalafil 10 or 20 MG was associated with significant increases in ejaculatory and orgasmic function (vs placebo) across all baseline ED, EjD, and OD severity strata. ".
[URL]https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1111/j.1464-410X.2012.11656.x[/URL]
SSRIs have nothing to do with ED drugs.
Besides, do people who report such anejaculations wait till the effects of the ED drugs die out in order to have successful ejaculations? If sildenafil causes anejaculation just bide your time for a couple of hours and you're in business right? That this is not the case brings us back to what we can be sure of, namely ED drugs can do nothing to accelerate the semen cycle.
When I take viagra, I always developed hiccups an hour or two after first ingesting the drug. However, cialis does not affect me in this way. Has anyone experienced this type of hiccup? They are frequently severe and can last several hours so at some point it becomes not worth it. But I don't find cialis to be as effective. I am sure this has happened to others but there have been more than a few times when I took the viagra in anticipation of something happening that did not for a variety of reasons. All I was left with was a fantastical case of hiccups.
As far as ejaculation, I certainly notice viagra impedes or delays ejaculation. However, I have on a few occasions experienced multiple pops even staying hard for a long time, which seemed to accentuate my pleasure and ejaculatory response. I am 70 now but a couple of years ago in Thailand, I took 50 MG of Viagra before having sex with this horny lassie who was also a prolific squirter and I mean prolific! I came 4 times in a twelve hour period including one dry run for a total of five orgasms. She was about 25 and just literally could not get enough. Maybe that's a factor that needs to be considered too. So far this visit, I have not run into the type of girls I did a few years ago. A lot of disinterested pros once back in the room who expect you to do all the work and want to hit and run you. I am quite frustrated at the type of girls I seem to be meeting. Oh where are the semi pros?
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They are accelerating into the stratosphere. How much higher can they go? May as well go somewhere cheaper.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;2278021]When I take viagra, I always developed hiccups an hour or two after first ingesting the drug. They are frequently severe and can last several hours so at some point it becomes not worth it.[/QUOTE]Yes, that's a side effect of Viagra, happens to me too sometimes, albeit not as severe. A glass of water with a sachet of Eno (they sell them at every 7-11, orange or lemon flavor) quickly fixes the hiccup issue for me, might be worth a try.
[QUOTE=Tomasb;2278021]Oh where are the semi pros?[/QUOTE]
Mostly the thing of the past. Sure, if you look enough (especially online) you might come across one eventually, but they're not exactly common these days and getting more and more scarce.
Girls still working in the industry are increasingly the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. Comparing average girls on the BTS to leftovers encountered a walk around lower Sukhumvit at night makes me want to weep.
Thanks. I will try that. However, last night I took a viagra followed by a random glass of ginger ale I just happened to have available. Remarkably, no hiccups.
Yes, I see these gorgeous girls on BTS all the time but alas never in the clubs or bars. Yesterday, for the SuperBowl I got up early to go to a restaurant on Soi 13. I walked from Soi 11 to 13 and was propositioned by two hookers in that one block at 6:30 am. Only in Thailand.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283057]Yes, that's a side effect of Viagra, happens to me too sometimes, albeit not as severe. A glass of water with a sachet of Eno (they sell them at every 7-11, orange or lemon flavor) quickly fixes the hiccup issue for me, might be worth a try.
Mostly the thing of the past. Sure, if you look enough (especially online) you might come across one eventually, but they're not exactly common these days and getting more and more scarce.
Girls still working in the industry are increasingly the bottom of the bottom of the barrel. Comparing average girls on the BTS to leftovers encountered a walk around lower Sukhumvit at night makes me want to weep.[/QUOTE]
I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs. I did not forcefully grab her hands, just gently moved them away. Anyway, she got me to about 95%, and I took hold of junior to give him a couple of tugs to get him ready, and after about 20 seconds he was set to explode so I let him go and gently tried to put him inside her mouth, all the while she was still on her hands and knees and her face was no more than a foot away from junior. She grabbed hold of him and would not let him inside her mouth! Junior is of average size, but if he was 15 inches I could have understood her reluctance to let him in! I tried to take her hand off so as I could stick him inside her mouth but it was too late, junior started to 'leak' and she backed off and made it clear that the session was over and stood up. I gave junior a few tugs and finished myself off and I shouted out, in annoyance, asking "why did you do that" and "why wouldn't you let me CIM", and she grabbed her top and left the room.
I was really pissed off and kept shouting, which is the worst thing you can do in Thailand, all disputes should be settled without shouting or raising your voice, no matter what the provocation, it's the Thai way of doing things. Then the female manager came up and asked that I go downstairs to sort it out.
So I went downstairs and explained what had happened and said she needed to give me a full refund, but she pointed to the NO REFUND sign and refused. I raised my voice again and yes, I know I should not have done so! I made it clear I was not going to leave unless I had a full refund. I told her to call the police, she said OK and made a phone call. I had no way of knowing who she called, but a few minutes later a Thai man came in, asked what the problem was, I told him I had already explained to the manager and that I wanted a refund. He pointed to the sign, I raised my voice again and told him I was not going anywhere without a full refund, he then shouted back and told me to "get out" and pulled out a gun! This was in full view of the manager and about six girls who had come to the waiting area to see what all the commotion was about. He cocked it back, and pointed it at me and waved it at me, but I stood my ground and faced him down. Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
Anyway, after a few minutes things got a bit calmer and I asked the Thai man who he was, the manager, the owner, or who? He said he was a policeman, I told him "no you're not", and I asked the manager who he was and she also said he was a policeman. No way was he a policeman. I told the manager that I was going to call the police, and I did and told them I had been threatened by a man with a gun and that I had been denied a service in a massage shop and refused a refund. A few minutes later the man with the gun left the shop. If he had been a real policeman he would have hung around until the police showed up.
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
So, I politely and calmly explained to the police about the man with the gun, asked them if they were aware that it was a BJ shop (they were) and then explained about the failure of the shop to provide the CIM service I had paid for and the refusal by the shop to refund me. They then talked with the female manager. The police asked me what I wanted, I told them I wanted a full refund (I had already made up my mind to accept at least half back, I knew it would end up as haggle, it always does), they suggested to the shop a 50% refund and asked me if I would accept that, I said I would. The manager then said 500, I said no, 650, and that was it, the manager gave me a refund of 650 and I thanked the police and left. I heard two of the policeman questioning the manager about the man with the gun, wanting to know who he was, I'm certain that they would have found out who he was and had a word with him, I doubt if he would have been arrested, rather I think the police would have shaken him down for some money for his recklessness.
When I got outside I waited for a few minutes for the police to come out, two of them did and I thanked them again and told them I didn't want the money and tried to give it to one of them, but it was politely refused. I set off and had just got back to the top of soi 33 near Sukhumvit when the same two police rode up and stopped alongside me on their motorbike to ask me if all was OK, and if everything was all right, I said yes, thanked them, and said I really do not want the money and gave it to one of them, he smiled and thanked me and took it! I thanked them again, and they rode off, and I headed down to soi Cowboy in a taxi to finish the evening off.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.[/QUOTE]Man, that's some balls you have. Happy to hear that drama turned out so good.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]-snip-
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
-snip-
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
-snip- [/QUOTE]Yep, after living here a while there are times when our understanding and appreciation for the "Thai way" just reaches a breaking point and we snap. I have certainly snapped a few times, raised my voice beyond all local norms, shouted back at nosy busy-body taxi drivers who linger in front of the hotels on my soi to SHUT THE FUCK UP! after one of them said something cute in Thai about having seen me with so many ladies when I walked by with a new one and the others laughed (they have never done it again. none of them), stood my ground in go-go bars demanding a refund same as you did in the BJ Bar (but never had a gun pulled on me!) and so on.
Not something either one of us would recommend to anyone else, right? And I do remind myself to be more careful next time after I have snapped. But your reading of the situation and feelings were right this time. Mine have been right about it so far, too. So far.
With that in mind, it's great to hear the shop lost a lot of business defending and protecting that little scammer. I hope they took all of the refund out of her portion of the Pay Upfront bill. I don't recall Paying Upfront at a BJ Bar in the past. But I can tell you that unless the BJ that follows me Paying Upfront is one of the best I have ever experienced in a year, I would never go back to such a shop a second time.
[QUOTE=Werqweq;2283410]Man, that's some balls you have. Happy to hear that drama turned out so good.[/QUOTE]I call it stupidity / arrogance tempered with luck.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs. I did not forcefully grab her hands, just gently moved them away. Anyway, she got me to about 95%, and I took hold of junior to give him a couple of tugs to get him ready, and after about 20 seconds he was set to explode so I let him go and gently tried to put him inside her mouth, all the while she was still on her hands and knees and her face was no more than a foot away from junior. She grabbed hold of him and would not let him inside her mouth! Junior is of average size, but if he was 15 inches I could have understood her reluctance to let him in! I tried to take her hand off so as I could stick him inside her mouth but it was too late, junior started to 'leak' and she backed off and made it clear that the session was over and stood up. I gave junior a few tugs and finished myself off and I shouted out, in annoyance, asking "why did you do that" and "why wouldn't you let me CIM", and she grabbed her top and left the room.
I was really pissed off and kept shouting, which is the worst thing you can do in Thailand, all disputes should be settled without shouting or raising your voice, no matter what the provocation, it's the Thai way of doing things. Then the female manager came up and asked that I go downstairs to sort it out.
So I went downstairs and explained what had happened and said she needed to give me a full refund, but she pointed to the NO REFUND sign and refused. I raised my voice again and yes, I know I should not have done so! I made it clear I was not going to leave unless I had a full refund. I told her to call the police, she said OK and made a phone call. I had no way of knowing who she called, but a few minutes later a Thai man came in, asked what the problem was, I told him I had already explained to the manager and that I wanted a refund. He pointed to the sign, I raised my voice again and told him I was not going anywhere without a full refund, he then shouted back and told me to "get out" and pulled out a gun! This was in full view of the manager and about six girls who had come to the waiting area to see what all the commotion was about. He cocked it back, and pointed it at me and waved it at me, but I stood my ground and faced him down. Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
Anyway, after a few minutes things got a bit calmer and I asked the Thai man who he was, the manager, the owner, or who? He said he was a policeman, I told him "no you're not", and I asked the manager who he was and she also said he was a policeman. No way was he a policeman. I told the manager that I was going to call the police, and I did and told them I had been threatened by a man with a gun and that I had been denied a service in a massage shop and refused a refund. A few minutes later the man with the gun left the shop. If he had been a real policeman he would have hung around until the police showed up.
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
So, I politely and calmly explained to the police about the man with the gun, asked them if they were aware that it was a BJ shop (they were) and then explained about the failure of the shop to provide the CIM service I had paid for and the refusal by the shop to refund me. They then talked with the female manager. The police asked me what I wanted, I told them I wanted a full refund (I had already made up my mind to accept at least half back, I knew it would end up as haggle, it always does), they suggested to the shop a 50% refund and asked me if I would accept that, I said I would. The manager then said 500, I said no, 650, and that was it, the manager gave me a refund of 650 and I thanked the police and left. I heard two of the policeman questioning the manager about the man with the gun, wanting to know who he was, I'm certain that they would have found out who he was and had a word with him, I doubt if he would have been arrested, rather I think the police would have shaken him down for some money for his recklessness.
When I got outside I waited for a few minutes for the police to come out, two of them did and I thanked them again and told them I didn't want the money and tried to give it to one of them, but it was politely refused. I set off and had just got back to the top of soi 33 near Sukhumvit when the same two police rode up and stopped alongside me on their motorbike to ask me if all was OK, and if everything was all right, I said yes, thanked them, and said I really do not want the money and gave it to one of them, he smiled and thanked me and took it! I thanked them again, and they rode off, and I headed down to soi Cowboy in a taxi to finish the evening off.[/QUOTE]Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
I wouldn't call that balls. Plain stupidity in a foreign country. I have done some similar stupid things but not to that point. I knew when to walk away. It was only small money. Not even worth the risk. Upside was very small. No John Wayne here.
Newbies disregard his post.
My 2 baht advice is to put in your will for cremation to save on cost, time and shipping back to home country.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I have lived in Thailand for many years .[/QUOTE]Far too many by the sounds of it.
[QUOTE=Dg8787;2283443]Stupid. Stupid. Stupid. [/QUOTE]If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo!
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told..[/QUOTE]Well done for standing your ground. If more people stood their ground, there would be less scams / stealing in bars, by girls, by taxis.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was. She gave junior a wash, took her top off and got to work.
About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees. She seemed to be under the impression that she was doing me a favour by giving me a BJ, and that I should do as I was told.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs. I did not forcefully grab her hands, just gently moved them away. Anyway, she got me to about 95%, and I took hold of junior to give him a couple of tugs to get him ready, and after about 20 seconds he was set to explode so I let him go and gently tried to put him inside her mouth, all the while she was still on her hands and knees and her face was no more than a foot away from junior. She grabbed hold of him and would not let him inside her mouth! Junior is of average size, but if he was 15 inches I could have understood her reluctance to let him in! I tried to take her hand off so as I could stick him inside her mouth but it was too late, junior started to 'leak' and she backed off and made it clear that the session was over and stood up. I gave junior a few tugs and finished myself off and I shouted out, in annoyance, asking "why did you do that" and "why wouldn't you let me CIM", and she grabbed her top and left the room.
I was really pissed off and kept shouting, which is the worst thing you can do in Thailand, all disputes should be settled without shouting or raising your voice, no matter what the provocation, it's the Thai way of doing things. Then the female manager came up and asked that I go downstairs to sort it out.
So I went downstairs and explained what had happened and said she needed to give me a full refund, but she pointed to the NO REFUND sign and refused. I raised my voice again and yes, I know I should not have done so! I made it clear I was not going to leave unless I had a full refund. I told her to call the police, she said OK and made a phone call. I had no way of knowing who she called, but a few minutes later a Thai man came in, asked what the problem was, I told him I had already explained to the manager and that I wanted a refund. He pointed to the sign, I raised my voice again and told him I was not going anywhere without a full refund, he then shouted back and told me to "get out" and pulled out a gun! This was in full view of the manager and about six girls who had come to the waiting area to see what all the commotion was about. He cocked it back, and pointed it at me and waved it at me, but I stood my ground and faced him down. Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened.
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper. I have had other disputes in bars, but have always managed to remain calm, and have always managed to resolve the problem, always in my favour, by being calm, polite, and persistent, but last night I was really pissed off.
Anyway, after a few minutes things got a bit calmer and I asked the Thai man who he was, the manager, the owner, or who? He said he was a policeman, I told him "no you're not", and I asked the manager who he was and she also said he was a policeman. No way was he a policeman. I told the manager that I was going to call the police, and I did and told them I had been threatened by a man with a gun and that I had been denied a service in a massage shop and refused a refund. A few minutes later the man with the gun left the shop. If he had been a real policeman he would have hung around until the police showed up.
I was in the waiting area in the shop until about 10 pm when six police showed up, and during the time before they arrived three customers came in but were told by the manager that they were closed (they actually close at midnight), she sent them away because of the continuing noisy argument I was having with her, it never looks good from a customer point of view when you walk in and there is an irate customer sounding off, the manager even told me I was causing them a loss of business, and that made me more determined to keep at it! They refused me a 1.3 k refund but lost at least 3.9 k worth of business!
So, I politely and calmly explained to the police about the man with the gun, asked them if they were aware that it was a BJ shop (they were) and then explained about the failure of the shop to provide the CIM service I had paid for and the refusal by the shop to refund me. They then talked with the female manager. The police asked me what I wanted, I told them I wanted a full refund (I had already made up my mind to accept at least half back, I knew it would end up as haggle, it always does), they suggested to the shop a 50% refund and asked me if I would accept that, I said I would. The manager then said 500, I said no, 650, and that was it, the manager gave me a refund of 650 and I thanked the police and left. I heard two of the policeman questioning the manager about the man with the gun, wanting to know who he was, I'm certain that they would have found out who he was and had a word with him, I doubt if he would have been arrested, rather I think the police would have shaken him down for some money for his recklessness.
When I got outside I waited for a few minutes for the police to come out, two of them did and I thanked them again and told them I didn't want the money and tried to give it to one of them, but it was politely refused. I set off and had just got back to the top of soi 33 near Sukhumvit when the same two police rode up and stopped alongside me on their motorbike to ask me if all was OK, and if everything was all right, I said yes, thanked them, and said I really do not want the money and gave it to one of them, he smiled and thanked me and took it! I thanked them again, and they rode off, and I headed down to soi Cowboy in a taxi to finish the evening off.[/QUOTE]I would highly suggest others not to try this. All the money in the world is not worth your life, simply my 2 cents.
[QUOTE=Werqweq;2283410]Man, that's some balls you have. Happy to hear that drama turned out so good.[/QUOTE]Actually I'd say it's not about my balls, rather it was more about the Thai man with the gun being a weasel who I felt posed no threat to me. Yes, he had a gun, but he felt no more threatening to me at the time than an old granny with a rolled-up newspaper! Some people have an air of menace about them, and have an intimidating presence, but that Thai man looked and acted more like an immature kid than someone willing to use a gun. I really don't think he had the balls to use it, but if he had I really don't know how I would have reacted. There is a possibility that the gun was not loaded, or was not a real gun, but I do know for a fact that Thailand has a lot of guns, and a lot of people carry them.
I have thought about the incident a lot since it happened. If he had fired a warning shot, would I have left? Or would I have jumped on him to try and overpower him? If he had fired at me but missed, would I have left, or would I have jumped on him and tried to overpower him? I think a lot of men are capable of murder, it depends on the circumstances, if I had, at the moment he pointed his gun at me, felt threatened and in fear of my life, maybe I would have jumped on him and it would have been a kill or be killed situation. At the moment when he pointed the gun at me, if I had reacted by trying to jump him or by pulling out a knife or gun, maybe he would have felt threatened and in fear of his life and reacted by shooting me. But at no time did I do anything to cause him to fear for his life.
I have never been mugged, or had a knife pulled on me, and up till Monday night had never had a gun pulled on me. How would I react if a similar situation were to occur again? I really don't know but hope it doesn't, because I don't go around looking for trouble. All I wanted on Monday night was a BJ!
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2283437]Not something either one of us would recommend to anyone else, right?[/QUOTE]Absolutely not! I posted here, not to brag, but simply to let others know about what had happened. If anything, it was more about my stupidity than bravery!
[QUOTE]With that in mind, it's great to hear the shop lost a lot of business defending and protecting that little scammer. I hope they took all of the refund out of her portion of the Pay Upfront bill.[/QUOTE]My guess is that out of the THB1.3 k fee that the shop takes from a customer, the shop takes at least 800. But whatever amount they take, I can guarantee that the shop kept the 650 they had from me, and would in no way have given anything to the girl. And the chances are that they would have fined her for the loss of business they suffered when they had to turn customers away when I was sounding off!
Seems to me MD was being unreasonable in the room and I can imagine the girl being frightened of his behavior. Did he reserve a refund umm doubtful?
How he handled it back at reception is another question. Demanding a refund for a service paid for and you feel was not delivered is perfectly fair. What do you do if it is refused? Simply walk away post on ISG and chalk it up to experience. I don't think so.
As I said I feel he was out of order in the room but I applaud him standing up to intimidation. Meekly walking away because you are afraid of the consequences some say is smart, for me its cowardice.
He read the situation correctly and got half his money back.
Giving it to the police was a big mistake.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33)
He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun.[/QUOTE]Thank you for sharing this, it's good to know how far things can go, and it's useful to know the name of the shop so we can all keep our distance from it.
What you did was crazy brave, for no benefit whatsoever. I'm sure you're already aware of all that you did wrong, but one thing you did right is calling the police after being thereatned with a gun. That's a serious crime (counts as "assault with a deadly weapon" in most countries, even if it's just a threat and he didn't actually shoot), and shouldn't casually be allowed to slide, not even in Thailand.
The big "no refund" sign is a big red flag, it shows that people have been dissatisfied and asked for a refund before, probably on multiple occasions. However, IMHO, in such places, if any sexual activity happens (which it clearly did) and you do ejaculate, you're not entitled to a refund if you're unhappy with exactly how it went. You can ask, of course, and they should oblige if they're customer-minded, but you're not really entitled to one. I'm surprised the police actually negotiated a partial refund for you, it's probably because the shop pays money to their station, and they preferred not to deal with the assault charges (which are the real issue here).
[QUOTE=Gargano19;2283483]I would highly suggest others not to try this. All the money in the world is not worth your life, simply my 2 cents.[/QUOTE]Agreed. My life is worth more than 1300 baht. If the dude really didn't look the part and actually felt threatened then there is a higher chance he would have used the firearm.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]
If anything, at that moment, I was not scared and I'm sure he sensed that I was not scared, he looked like a little wimp, he was about a foot shorter than me, skinny, and in his 30's (I'm in my early 60's and of slim / average build). He really did not look the part, waving his gun about, rather I think he felt like a big man because he had a gun. I said to him "are you going to use it, go on then" but he backed down, I had a gut feeling that he was more mouth than action, maybe the gun was not loaded, though of course I could have been wrong and he could have shot me.
I have lived in Thailand for many years and there are daily news reports of Thai men with guns losing their tempers and murdering friends and family members and neighbours, and it is never wise to cause a Thai man to lose face or lose their temper.[/QUOTE]I think your actions are basically justified although I can't say I would have done the same thing. Some French guy got shot by an off-duty policeman over some love triangle recently but I'm sure the guy pointing the gun at you didn't want to go to jail over a 1300 baht blow job so in that situation it's almost certainly a bluff. Good to hear that the police helped you out. I assume it was the regular police rather than the tourist police. I agree that you should press charges rather than let it drop.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283548]-snip-
However, IMHO, in such places, if any sexual activity happens (which it clearly did) and you do ejaculate, you're not entitled to a refund if you're unhappy with exactly how it went. You can ask, of course, and they should oblige if they're customer-minded, but you're not really entitled to one.[/QUOTE]With all due respect, my opinion is it very much matters how and where one ejaculates when a BBBJ+CIM has been agreed to. I suppose an exception might be when a punter is so fast on the trigger that he ejaculates before the requested act even begins. Or if he is the one who changes direction of things and goes for FS or whatever.
But in the case of a BBBJ+CIM, if the girl agrees to provide a CIM finish for the money and she dodges or pulls away at crunch time as she did in this case, she did not provide what he paid for and I think he is very much entitled to a refund.
Normal restaurant analogies don't exactly work re certain sexual acts like a BBBJ+CIM. After all, when a tray of food is placed before us and it is clearly not what we ordered, that is the moment to point it out and get the order right. If we see that a Big Mac was placed on the tray instead of the Filet o' Fish we ordered but we gobble it down anyway, we are not entitled to a refund. We got food in our mouth and our belly. We ought to pay for it. It doesn't matter if it wasn't what we ordered once we have eaten it.
But that isn't how the moment of ejaculation works at the end of a blowjob. Once an orgasm is on its way, there is no stopping it to have a discussion with the lady about her getting the order wrong and please bring me a Filet o' Fish instead of a Big Mac, I'll wait.
So, with that huge difference in mind, here is a different kind of restaurant analogy re a BBBJ+CIM; If you were blind, ordered a Filet o' Fish, was assured by the server that the sandwich in that wrapper on your tray is indeed a Filet o' Fish and definitely not a Big Mac, but after taking a big bite of the thing and some of it going down your throat you realized you'd been lied to, then imo you definitely deserve a refund. Even though just like the example above you got food in your mouth and down your throat. The huge difference being you did not know until it was too late that you'd been lied to and did not get what you ordered.
And, no, I don't think that restaurant analogy works further with regard to simply getting your Filet o' Fish order right after you've taken a bite of a Big Mac. Most male humans will not have another orgasm the "right way" within minutes of having one the way he did not want it. It isn't the same as just taking one bite out of a sandwich and then trading it in for another one. Besides, in the case of that BJ Bar I seriously doubt anyone would have offered the customer another BJ to "have it your way" within minutes of getting it the wrong way.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]I went to 7-Heaven last night (BJ shop on a small soi just off Sukhumvit soi 33), it was my first visit. I had read about the place on the forums here, and the reviews I saw were positive. I chose a girl called 'Soda' from the photos on their iPad, was told strictly money up front so paid the THB 1.3 k fee (all subsequent prices are in THB) as shown on the menu for a BJ, and made a point of asking the cashier (in Thai) if the service was for CIM, and she confirmed that it was. I rarely pay up front for my mongering, you lose control over the situation.
There is a notice on the pay desk in 7-Heaven stating no refunds, but I thought at 1. 3 k I did not have much to lose. So Soda came out and escorted me upstairs into a spare room, she looked more or less as she did in the pic on the iPad, slim, fairly pretty, probably late twenties. I made a point of asking her, in Thai, if the service included CIM and she confirmed that it was..[/QUOTE]I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]About half way thru the BJ her attitude, which had been OK up till that point, changed, from the moment when I told her I wanted to change from lying down on the bed to sitting down at the edge of the bed and for her to get down on her knees.
She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way.[/QUOTE]Rereading your account which is refreshing for its honest portrayal of what happened I offer the following as a possible explanation of her behavior.
As you mention everything was going well until you changed position and moved her hands from holding your dick.
She may then for whatever reason have felt you wanted to face fuck her, something she hadn't signed up for.
She is in my opinion entitled to hold your dick while giving head and allowing you to come in her mouth. Changing position and taking her hands off "junior" could have alarmed her and made her apprehensive about what was going on.
Possible?
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2283631]But in the case of a BBBJ+CIM, if the girl agrees to provide a CIM finish for the money and she dodges or pulls away at crunch time as she did in this case, she did not provide what he paid for and I think he is very much entitled to a refund.[/QUOTE]I guess we won't agree on this, but in a BBBJ+CIM deal, BBBJ is over 90% of the work. You're not entitled to a full refund if your restaurant meal (which you consumed in its entirety) was missing the truffle on top, no matter how much you wanted that truffle. Now, in a [I]very[/I] fancy posh restaurant where you pay over the odds to get the food as perfect as possible, they [I]might[/I] apologize profusely and comp your meal, but most hooker establishments are far from that category, especially one with a big sign saying "no refunds" (translation: we know we're crappy as other have complained before).
The broader point is that sex industry has very few service guarantees. Now, if a girl promises A+ or BBBJ and doesn't deliver at all, that's obvious grounds for raising a fuss, but if the dispute is about something like CIM or decent DFK that's more or less a side benefit, I think legitimately all we can do is give zero tip, chalk it up to experience, and move on. Trying to do otherwise means being one of those customers who cheats girls by fucking but not wanting to pay (on some pretext).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2283702]I guess we won't agree on this, but in a BBBJ+CIM deal, BBBJ is over 90% of the work. You're not entitled to a full refund if your restaurant meal (which you consumed in its entirety) was missing the truffle on top, no matter how much you wanted that truffle.[/QUOTE]Ah, see I believe it is the way the act finishes that defines the act and not what occurred 90% of the time prior to the finish. An agreed upon BBBJ+CIM that finishes with the girl pulling her mouth away while she gives you a handjob to a finish is a handjob with some oral foreplay thrown in (which is a better finish than what Mdemde described. He had to take matters into his own hands; masturbation).
Do you suppose if a girl in a massage shop spent 90% of a session giving her customer a handjob and in that last 10% of the session mounted him (at his request) and he finished inside her pussy that she would only charge him 10% of the cost of FS and 90% of the cost of a handjob? Somehow I think that girl and anyone managing that shop would fully agree with me that the sex act is defined by how it finishes and not by what happened 90% of the time before the finish.
No, they would charge that customer 100% of the cost of FS. If the customer balks, some shops might even consider having a goon brandish a gun to make sure that full amount for FS got paid before the customer was allowed to leave.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2283465]If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo![/QUOTE]Mdemde should be simply glad and thank his stars he has lived to tell us this tale. Insane. Stupid. Lapse of reasoning and judgment.
DO NOT TRY THIS ANYWHERE, EXPERIENCED OR OTHERWISE!
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]............... Was it bravery on my part? Or stupidity? I have never had a gun pulled on me before, but I did not actually feel threatened....................[/QUOTE]Total stupidity. Bravery is Che Guevara engaging fully armed soldiers with a defective gun. Stupidity is willingness to die for spraying jizz on carpet rather than in mouth. You're lucky you are alive to tell the tale and not causing grief to family and friends who would have heard that you were shot in a blow job bar and that the only down side for you was having to clean soiled underwear.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2283729]Stupidity is willingness to die for spraying jizz on carpet rather than in mouth. You're lucky you are alive to tell the tale and not causing grief to family and friends who would have heard that you were shot in a blow job bar and that the only down side for you was having to clean soiled underwear.[/QUOTE]There's no way he would have been shot dead in the middle of the BJ bar in that part of Suk. This would bring too much bad publicity to these massage shops while the authorities are trying to clean the reputation of the Thai massage shops. The Thai guy that pulled a gun was probably very stupid.
But he knew he would have been in a very big trouble if he pulled the trigger, and would have put all the owners of massage places in a big trouble too. I'm glad that Mdemde stood his ground if he felt he had been scammed. When it comes to foreigners, some of these Thai people think they can easily get away with wathever they want. I 'm not saying the reason he got engaged in this affair was worth it, but it's good to always show them that we are not afraid also. Spudipidity was the reaction of the manager (that first agreed to the service that didn't arrive and then by calling that cowboy) and obviously the reaction of the Thai guy that thought that pulling a gun would solve a commercial affair. I understand that Mdemde has been living in Thailand long enough that he feels the need to not let any of these scammers take advantage of him. If you're reading these lines Mdemde, kuddos to you for standing your ground in front of these f*ckers. Now if I were you, I would not go again in that part of the city in a near future, and would even consider moving from Suk if you're staying there. You made them lose face, some policemen got involved too, who knows what could cross their mind if they see you again in a place that's not related to massage shops.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]Anyway, she got me to about 95%[/QUOTE]It is really funny that you mentioned that she got you about 95% and yet you are asking for 100% refund. This shows how unreasonable you are! The girl needs to be paid anyhow, asking 100% refund is like you are asking them to give you a entirely free session of BJ. How about the charges for rooms, A/C, cleaning utilities for your junior?
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2283530]Seems to me MD was being unreasonable in the room and I can imagine the girl being frightened of his behavior. Did he reserve a refund umm doubtful?
How he handled it back at reception is another question. Demanding a refund for a service paid for and you feel was not delivered is perfectly fair. What do you do if it is refused? Simply walk away post on ISG and chalk it up to experience. I don't think so.
As I said I feel he was out of order in the room but I applaud him standing up to intimidation. Meekly walking away because you are afraid of the consequences some say is smart, for me its cowardice.
He read the situation correctly and got half his money back.
Giving it to the police was a big mistake.[/QUOTE]It seems the girls are very frightened as Mdem mentioned that he did start shouting at the girl. No matter how, it is really unreasonable to ask for full refund for a service paid and done, even it is not delivered as expected, especially it is being stated in the counter "No Refund" and Mdem already accepted upfront. I can imagine that the girl at the counter looks terrified when Mdem is shouting and asking for full refund. What I usually do is that, instead of shouting loud to the girls (this will scare them bro), I would speak calmly and complain to the manager about my dissatisfaction about that particular girl. I am sure if the girl is that bad, many customers would have did the same complain and eventually the shop wouldn't want to keep her as staff!
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs.[/QUOTE]While everything is from Mdem's point of view, there are times where I get to know from Thai night girls that there are customer who is very un-thoughtful, forcing them to deep throat or didn't bother to give them space for breathing. Could this be the reason why she is trying to put one hand to hold on junior while giving BJ? Though, I salute you for your bravery. Calling police was the right move. But asking for refund and paying the police was just stupid.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]Anyway, she got me to about 95%[/QUOTE]It is really funny that you mentioned that she got you about 95% and yet you are asking for 100% refund. This shows how unreasonable you are! The girl needs to be paid anyhow, asking 100% refund is like you are asking them to give you a entirely free session of BJ. How about the charges for rooms, aircond, cleaning utilities for your junior?
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2283530]Seems to me MD was being unreasonable in the room and I can imagine the girl being frightened of his behavior. Did he reserve a refund umm doubtful?
How he handled it back at reception is another question. Demanding a refund for a service paid for and you feel was not delivered is perfectly fair. What do you do if it is refused? Simply walk away post on ISG and chalk it up to experience. I don't think so.
As I said I feel he was out of order in the room but I applaud him standing up to intimidation. Meekly walking away because you are afraid of the consequences some say is smart, for me its cowardice.
He read the situation correctly and got half his money back.
Giving it to the police was a big mistake.[/QUOTE]It seems the girls are very frightened as Mdem mentioned that he did start shouting at the girl. No matter how, it is really unreasonable to ask for full refund for a service paid and done, even it is not delivered as expected, especially it is being stated in the counter "No Refund" and Mdem already accepted upfront. I can imagine that the girl at the counter looks terrified when Mdem is shouting and asking for full refund. What I usually do is that, instead of shouting loud to the girls (this will scare them bro), I would speak calmly and complain to the manager about my dissatisfaction about that particular girl. I am sure if the girl is that bad, many customers would have did the same complain and eventually the shop wouldn't want to keep her as staff!
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2283297]She kept trying to put one hand on junior whilst she had it in her mouth, presumably to stop it going in all the way, and I kept taking her hand away and putting her hands on my legs.[/QUOTE]While everything is from Mdem's point of view, there are times where I get to know from Thai night girls that there are customer who is very un-thoughtful, forcing them to deep throat or didn't bother to give them space for breathing. Could this be the reason why she is trying to put one hand to hold on junior while giving BJ? Though, I salute you for your bravery. Calling police was the right move. But asking for refund and paying the police was just stupid.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2283465]If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo![/QUOTE]Call this. Natural selection.
[QUOTE=Turgid;2283729]Total stupidity. Bravery is Che Guevara engaging fully armed soldiers with a defective gun. Stupidity is willingness to die for spraying jizz on carpet rather than in mouth. You're lucky you are alive to tell the tale and not causing grief to family and friends who would have heard that you were shot in a blow job bar and that the only down side for you was having to clean soiled underwear.[/QUOTE]Mdemde may have felt brave, but the guy in the shop likely did not feel threatened by on old man in his 60's who loses his temper if he finishes on the floor.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2283752] I'm glad that Mdemde stood his ground if he felt he had been scammed. [/QUOTE]Some folks here seem to have balls that are bigger than their brains. I hope they do not reproduce.
No personal offence.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2283946]Some folks here seem to have balls that are bigger than their brains. I hope they do not reproduce.
No personal offence.[/QUOTE]All talk and no real tough guy balls. Tough guys do not cry to the cops nor do they rat out the place. Whining because he didn't get to CIM. Tell it to your mother.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2283645]I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?[/QUOTE]Watching too many Charles Bronson and Clint Eastwood movies.
[QUOTE===*****man;2283571]I assume it was the regular police rather than the tourist police. I agree that you should press charges rather than let it drop.[/QUOTE]Yes, it was the regular police. But I will not be pressing charges, apart from the fact that I don't want to end up in the Bangkok Post as a 'foreigner threatened with gun in Bangkok massage parlour' and then have the story picked up by the press in my home country, the court system here is corrupt and favours not only the wealthy over the poor, but also the locals over the foreigner. It would be a long, drawn out and time consuming process with most likely a counter charge from the man with the gun accusing me of assaulting him and backed up with (paid-for) witnesses, that is how they play the system. I would then have to surrender my passport and would be unable to leave the country until the case was over, which would be at least a year or two. And I would need to engage a lawyer, they don't come cheap here and are notoriously corrupt. Everything here is corrupt and as a foreigner the cards are stacked against you. It really is not worth the hassle. But if it had occurred in my home country then I most definitely would press charges.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2283752]Now if I were you, I would not go again in that part of the city in a near future, and would even consider moving from Suk if you're staying there. You made them lose face, some policemen got involved too, who knows what could cross their mind if they see you again in a place that's not related to massage shops.[/QUOTE]That's a bit over-dramatic. To people like that, all farangs are the same so it's unlikely they would even recognise him.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2283465]If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.[/QUOTE]You are being kind. I call BS on 90% of it.
That he had an experience in the room that did not meet his expectations is believable. The rest of the story varies from unlikely to highly implausible.
SL.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2283752]If you're reading these lines Mdemde, kuddos to you for standing your ground in front of these f*ckers. Now if I were you, I would not go again in that part of the city in a near future, and would even consider moving from Suk if you're staying there. You made them lose face, some policemen got involved too, who knows what could cross their mind if they see you again in a place that's not related to massage shops.[/QUOTE]I actually live well away from Sukumvit. The reason I gave the THB 650 that I got back from 7-Heaven to the police was as a bribe of sorts, to thank them for what they did and to get them on my side IE leave them with a favourable impression of me. A smile, a thank you, and a cash sum always goes down well with the Boys in Brown! The police have no reason to come after me, though I did cause the weasel with the gun to lose face in front of all the Thai staff at 7-Heaven who saw him having to back down to a foreigner. Will he come after me? I don't think he will, I'm sure that the police have by now tracked him down and warned him off. It is always a high-profile case and bad publicity for Thailand if anything bad happens to a foreigner. If anything does happen to me then the police will know who will be their first suspect, and he will know it as well, it would be very risky for him.
[QUOTE=Sunlover2;2283987]You are being kind. I call BS on 90% of it.
The rest of the story varies from unlikely to highly implausible.
SL.[/QUOTE]Of course I have no way of backing up my story, but feel free to challenge any part of it. I have nothing to gain from telling a pack of lies. But it should be easy to verify one part of my story, I invite any poster here to visit 7-Heaven tonight or tomorrow night or whenever under the guise of going for a BJ. Then start chatting with the manager, and tell her you went there last Monday night at about 10 pm hoping to have a BJ but you saw the place was full of police so were frightened and left. Then ask her what the problem was. Then wait to see what she says. She will most likely laugh it off as something like 'only farang causing problem' but that will be confirmation of one part of my story. That the police were there. Then you can either go for a BJ (I suggest you give 'Soda' a miss), or make an excuse and leave. But like I said, feel free to challenge any part of my story and I will do my best to respond.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2283658]Rereading your account which is refreshing for its honest portrayal of what happened I offer the following as a possible explanation of her behavior.
As you mention everything was going well until you changed position and moved her hands from holding your dick.
She may then for whatever reason have felt you wanted to face fuck her, something she hadn't signed up for.
She is in my opinion entitled to hold your dick while giving head and allowing you to come in her mouth. Changing position and taking her hands off "junior" could have alarmed her and made her apprehensive about what was going on.
Possible?[/QUOTE]When I took her hands off of junior, which I had to do at least three of four times, I did so slowly and gently, she had no cause for alarm. I did not go for a HJ with CIM as a finish. For me, a proper or standard BJ is given when the female makes full use of her tongue as well as by thrusting her mouth up and down on junior, and when the female stops for a rest, I then like to continue for awhile by gently holding her mouth still and then letting me do the thrusting, never forcefully. This, to me, is a normal BJ, with minimal or no hand work from the female and is how I have always been serviced.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2283645]I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?[/QUOTE]I had not been drinking. I challenged him because though he was threatening me, he did not look menacing, if anything he looked pathetic. He was a weasel trying to act tough. He had a gun, of course he could have used it, but he did not frighten me at all.
[QUOTE=Paolo99;2283752]There's no way he would have been shot dead in the middle of the BJ bar in that part of Suk. This would bring too much bad publicity to these massage shops while the authorities are trying to clean the reputation of the Thai massage shops. The Thai guy that pulled a gun was probably very stupid...........[/QUOTE]If the Thai guy is stupid enough to pull out a gun in those circumstances he is stupid enough to have his finger slip on to the trigger.
[QUOTE=CzarNicholas;2283645]I feel your pain.
But just a warning to everyone out there, if I'm ever pointing a gun at someone and they make this comment to me, they are going to have their brains splattered all over the walls in about 0.5 seconds! "are you going to use it, go on then".
Its game over!
Were you drunk?
Why would you say that to somebody with a pistol in your face?[/QUOTE]Too true! Let's call it Thai Roulette and this time you survived. I for sure am a hothead. But with a gun pointed at me? I would like to think that would cool me right the fuck down.
[QUOTE=NattyBumpo;2283465]If the original post does not belong in the "Stupid Shit in Thailand" thread I don't know what does.
Do you remember a few years back there was an incident that made all the BKK newpapers and internet. Apparently an expat got into a heated argument with a taxi driver half his size. The driver stopped his car, picked up a machete in the trunk, and hacked the expat to death. What a way to go! But not more stupid than arguing at gun point in a blow job bar with a Thai pimp over $20. Bravo![/QUOTE][BLUE]Some of you guys misunderstand what the stupid shit thread is for. It's the internet and there will always be trolls who put up dubious posts, part of using the forum is learning to identify them, it's not hard, they self identify, and then ignore them. The subject of the forum doesn't matter, there will always be people who need to bloviate, auto repair, angry cats, travel forums or hookers.
The stupid shit isn't the original post, the stupid shit is the 38, yeah really 38 I counted them, posts that have now come as a result of the first one. They are spread over four pages and anybody who's coming here to read about fucking hookers in Bangkok had to wade through them.
That's why I moved it all to the stupid shit thread, including this one.
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I've just recently moved to Bangkok and have a few quick reports. Most of them have been about blowjobs. Frankly struggling to justify paying every time I want my whistle wet, which is what it can cost at an oily, gogo, etc. That said, I still want my whistle-wetter to be something attractive. Which is unfortunately a real limitation in Bangkok BJ shops.
The first place I went was to "the L word". I don't want to get code worded out, but you know the place. Walked up and saw a cutie, waved at her and she happily jumped up and took me upstairs. What followed was an exceptional BJ. As she started, she took my hands and put them on her head, forcing herself down. I took the hint and happily face fucked her to an embarrassingly quick completion. It was an all-in-all amazing experience. Her name was Ma. Price was ฿800, and I gave her the change as well.
The second visit I came back to the same place. But. Honestly no one there was in any way appealing. One woman jumped up but she was. To put it politely even if she wasn't really old she wouldn't have been great looking. There were a few passable ones in there, but with this woman up in my face I couldn't really pick any of them. Definitely no Ma. Anyway, I just said "Um. No thanks. I think I'm good. " and left. I crossed the road and went to the famous Wood Bar. TBH my experiences there were not great, but the last time I went was literally years ago, so one bad provider doesn't mean much. Wood has one advantage over Ls. Instead of walking down a blind alley to get pounced by whoever, they do a little line-up for you. Frankly the talent in that line-up wasn't great. I asked about price and was told ฿1000, which is more than Ls. I was on a pretty tight budget and not that keen on any of them so again I decided on a no go.
Third trip out I went back to Ls. No Ma again, but no scary woman, and one was alright, so I picked her. Kind of cute face, friendly, nice big titties on display. The act was. Alright. Nothing world class. Afterwards she said some things with a laugh. Pointed at her mouth and my old fella. And I kind of went "Well, yeah, that's why I came here. " It was about two minutes later I realised what she was saying. Just after I'd paid. Now I don't know exactly what she'd been eating. Tom Yum maybe? I'm no expert. But I know for sure that you shouldn't eat spicy food for lunch when you suck dicks for a living. Ugh. The burning. So on the way home I stopped in at a 7-11 and bought a small bottle of milk. For rinsing purposes. Still, by the time I finished my walk home, everything had settled down. I drank the milk.
Fourth trip out I'd heard about the famous Som's Haven, but never got to go. I did also find out that there was a less catchily-named Duangporn's Haven. It's located just near the Asok intersection and then down an alley, Analisa Massage is in the same alley. Anyway, I walked up and though there were no real lookers, a chubby girl jumped up like it was her turn. Inside she explained that it was a BJ bar, and the price was. Which is 100 less than I thought. I asked if the BJ was with her and she said it was. I was. Not keen and despite her attempts to explain her mad BJ skills, I asked for someone else and picked. Frankly the least worst. That experience was. Alright. Taking me into and out of a shower room seemed like a lot of effort and ceremony for a BJ and certainly wasn't the deal at any other I've been too, which is more of a quick wipe and off we go. I wasn't feeling it much, and it was a pretty ordinary BJ. So it took time for me to get interested. I started feeling her up a bit and that helped the process to completion, but wouldn't be a recommendation. On the way out there was a hottie who hadn't been there when I arrived. Dammit.
I just want to see Ma again, but unfortunately the BJ bars you have to roll the dice and take your chances.
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[QUOTE=Mdemde;2284014]I had not been drinking. I challenged him because though he was threatening me, he did not look menacing, if anything he looked pathetic. He was a weasel trying to act tough. He had a gun, of course he could have used it, but he did not frighten me at all.[/QUOTE]Do you think it was worth the risk? I've done some stupid shit in Thailand like hanging out of the back of a train drunk trying to light a cigarette but I dialed down on that shit pretty fast. I think your life is worth more than blowing in a prostitutes mouth but that's just my opinion.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2284383][BLUE]
The stupid shit isn't the original post, the stupid shit is the 38, yeah really 38 I counted them, posts that have now come as a result of the first one. They are spread over four pages and anybody who's coming here to read about fucking hookers in Bangkok had to wade through them.
That's why I moved it all to the stupid shit thread, including this one.
A2[/BLUE][/QUOTE]I understand and agree with you that the original post was not stupid shit. But why do you classify the responses to that post, that were (given the subject) inevitable and IMO not stupid at all, as stupid shit? Just because they are off topic? If that's the reason then I wish you good luck with keeping the Thailand threads on topic.
There are lots of examples of pint sized Thais blowing obese farangs away with 45's, 38's and so on as they prefer the Monkey House to losing face. The house will always take the locals' side. Being a virtual Clint Eastwood can be fun but it is no fun to those who try to rinse and repeat in real life.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2284383][BLUE]Some of you guys misunderstand what the stupid shit thread is for. It's the internet and there will always be trolls who put up dubious posts, part of using the forum is learning to identify them, it's not hard, they self identify, and then ignore them. The subject of the forum doesn't matter, there will always be people who need to bloviate, auto repair, angry cats, travel forums or hookers.
The stupid shit isn't the original post, the stupid shit is the 38, yeah really 38 I counted them, posts that have now come as a result of the first one. They are spread over four pages and anybody who's coming here to read about fucking hookers in Bangkok had to wade through them.
That's why I moved it all to the stupid shit thread, including this one.
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[QUOTE=Mogwai;2284421]I understand and agree with you that the original post was not stupid shit. But why do you classify the responses to that post, that were (given the subject) inevitable and IMO not stupid at all, as stupid shit? Just because they are off topic? If that's the reason then I wish you good luck with keeping the Thailand threads on topic.[/QUOTE][BLUE]They weren't reviews. They weren't about some guy sticking his dick in a chick, they weren't on topic at all. And let me say it again, there were 38 of them taking up 4 pages. Nobody except the 5 or 6 guys involved in it care about it at all. The majority of people who come to this site, myself included want to know about getting pussy in Thailand. They really don't give a shit if some guy thinks another guy is lying.
That's why this thread is here. You can call as many people as you want liars on this this thread, you can call them douchabags, jackwhistles, assholes, dickweeds, I don't care. You can pretty much call them anything you want as long as you don't talk bad about their moms.
The purpose of this website is simple, it's been the same forever, and it is crystal clear "The purpose of this Forum is to provide for the exchange of information between Men on the subject of finding Women for Sex" it's so elegant in it's simplicity. 38 posts arguing with a guy about his truthiness has nothing to do with getting pussy.
I have no illusions that this will keep the Thailand thread on track, we would nearly have to burn it down to do that. I'm in Thailand right now, I was thinking about going to one of the high dollar spas like Utopia or La Belle and I wanted to check if I was remembering correctly how bad they suck for falangs and ran into 38 posts calling a guy a liar. It was excessive even by Thailand standards so I moved them and posted the admonishment about why I did. I know it will be the same tomorrow, it probably is the same right now, I'm sure a couple guys have already picked it back up.
I'm going back home in a few weeks and I'll most likely be fucking my regulars before I go. Since the ISG isn't my direct responsibility I probably won't look at the Thai forums until I come back so what happens happens.
You asked, so I thought I would answer. I just wish guys would fight on the fight thread, it would make the forum a lot more usable and would attract a lot more new guys and the amount of info would get better. I guess I'm a dreamer.
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[QUOTE=Turgid;2284138]If the Thai guy is stupid enough to pull out a gun in those circumstances he is stupid enough to have his finger slip on to the trigger.[/QUOTE]I'm no expert but you are very lucky in general you haven't seen a Thai man really go off. Although it is my experience no different than those who haven't experience it? Due to their education, cuddle and being brainwashed Thai men are immature since they are pushed to grow up fast in their culture but their brains haven't been fully developed. One of my favorite saying to my son friends when they visit the house " you look like a man have a dick but what you got up top " sadly in general many of these guys are mental midgets. Years back I had a lot of problems more than my share of confrontations with Thai men I had to pretty much re-invent myself so I could live here somewhat in peace. Being Asian, once they realized you aren't Thai tough to explain the look but they pretty much give you the head toe going over and here it comes " you are in Thailand my country I'm not going to lose face over this to a foreigner? Snap!
There have been recent stories reported Thai vs. Thai of a Army officer pulling out a gun during a driving incident that CCTV caught, recently just off Sukhumvit in Bangkok where an off duty police in a confrontation with a French guy who won the battle pulled out his gun chase down the Frenchmen in broad daylight and shot him to death.
Sure this might happen anywhere in the world, hope people never experience it because until you do many don't have an idea of what I'm talking about? They act first in rage and worry later! None of this means here in a confrontation you should take it likely because one slip and it is over I once did turn my back and nearly lost my life.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2284482]There are lots of examples of pint sized Thais blowing obese farangs away with 45's, 38's and so on as they prefer the Monkey House to losing face. The house will always take the locals' side. Being a virtual Clint Eastwood can be fun but it is no fun to those who try to rinse and repeat in real life.[/QUOTE]Gave me the best advice I ever got about Thailand so far. "Thais are the nicest people in the world right up to the moment they aren't and when they aren't somebody is going to die. " I've always taken that to mean "don't fuck with Thais. " It has served me well so far. I can't imagine getting myself into a position where a Thai would be waving a gun at me and if it ever happened challenging them would be the last thing I would do.
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P.S. Well, maybe except from behind the keyboard. Then I might.
Just saying.
[QUOTE=Beijing4987;2284395]To put someone the ignore list takes clicking on "settings", clicking on ignore list, typing the posters handle, then clicking one last time to confirm. To undo the ignore only takes on click.[/QUOTE]If I may kind sir, click their name, click "Add to ignore list" and bobs your uncle it's done.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2284010]When I took her hands off of junior, which I had to do at least three of four times, I did so slowly and gently, she had no cause for alarm. I did not go for a HJ with CIM as a finish. For me, a proper or standard BJ is given when the female makes full use of her tongue as well as by thrusting her mouth up and down on junior, and when the female stops for a rest, I then like to continue for awhile by gently holding her mouth still and then letting me do the thrusting, never forcefully. This, to me, is a normal BJ, with minimal or no hand work from the female and is how I have always been serviced.[/QUOTE]First let me say I am not judging you, just trying to figure out what might have caused her attitude to change.
When you say she stopped for a rest and you then took her head in your hands and continued with the blow job that is by my definition face fucking. She no longer has any control over what was happening except to pull away altogether. I don't doubt that you felt what you were doing was OK and other girls have had no issue with it but obviously this girl had.
Perhaps she had some similar experience in the past that went sour.
When you book a girl for a BJ except for delivering agreed CIM or number of pops how she does it is not part of the agreement. When it's not delivered in the specific way you want but still qualifies as a BJ I. E. Sucking your dick, it's difficult to argue you should get a refund.
If everybody who wasn't satisfied with how a girl performed and demanded a refund can you imagine the reception area with guys screaming she wasn't enthusiastic enough I want my money back.
Only you and she know for sure what went down and it would be very interesting to hear her side of the story.
Unlike most members I applaud you for standing your ground. You read the situation correctly realized he was not a serious player and off he went.
When I know I am within my rights I have stood up to taxi driver scammers and other rip off merchants including police trying to extort.
Bringing up isolated lurid incidents of a machete hacking and guns being used does not reflect what normally happens in a face off, More often than not a calm polite and firm refusal to be taken advantage of gets you through without any trouble.
[QUOTE=PointyStick;2284408]Do you think it was worth the risk?[/QUOTE]It was risky, yes. But it all happened so quick, and I was really angry and really pissed off about what had happened with the girl, and as we all know being in that state can affect judgement. But I honestly did not fear for my life. If he (the Thai man that pulled the gun) had been a bit bigger, and had an air of menace about him maybe I would have backed down. I really don't know. If he had fired a warning shot I would most likely have reacted differently. Maybe I would have fled, maybe I would have jumped him. Maybe he knew that if he fired a warning shot I would have jumped him and that caused him to back down. It all happened so quick and without warning, I did not think about the risk to me when it happened, I reacted instantly by challenging him. Others might have fled, others might have reacted the same as I did, others might have jumped on him and kicked the shit out of him. Was I foolish? Yes, because I could have lost my life!
I have never been mugged but have often thought about how I would react if I was. But I had never thought that I would ever have a gun pulled on me in a BJ shop.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2284687]If everybody who wasn't satisfied with how a girl performed and demanded a refund can you imagine the reception area with guys screaming she wasn't enthusiastic enough I want my money back.[/QUOTE]It wasn't so much as to how she performed, it was the fact that I paid for a BJ with a CIM finish. I made a point of asking the manager before I paid at reception and the girl before she started, and both confirmed that yes it would be a CIM finish. But I did not get a CIM finish. That was the whole point of the BJ, being able to finish and shoot my load inside her mouth! She prevented me from finishing inside her mouth. She stopped at the critical moment. She short changed me. She ripped me off. I don't slap girls around and have never had rough sex, I did not do anything to cause her to be scared or frightened of me. The manager tried to rip me off by point blank refusing a refund. I was pissed off with both the girl and the manager.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2284498] "Thais are the nicest people in the world right up to the moment they aren't and when they aren't somebody is going to die. " I've always taken that to mean "don't fuck with Thais. " It has served me well so far.[/QUOTE]Learned that one 30 years ago, it should be emblazoned at customs in Swampy.
[QUOTE=Admin2;2284498]I've always taken that to mean "don't fuck with Thais. " It has served me well so far. [/QUOTE]
I fucked with hundreds of Thais so far (as I imagine most people on this forum did) and never had any trouble.
[QUOTE=Mdemde;2284793]It wasn't so much as to how she performed, it was the fact that I paid for a BJ with a CIM finish. I made a point of asking the manager before I paid at reception and the girl before she started, and both confirmed that yes it would be a CIM finish. But I did not get a CIM finish. That was the whole point of the BJ, being able to finish and shoot my load inside her mouth! She prevented me from finishing inside her mouth. She stopped at the critical moment. She short changed me. She ripped me off. I don't slap girls around and have never had rough sex, I did not do anything to cause her to be scared or frightened of me. The manager tried to rip me off by point blank refusing a refund. I was pissed off with both the girl and the manager.[/QUOTE]+1 agree. IMO, even if you did something innocuous like touching her ears or her face while she was blowing you and she used that as an excuse not to deliver what she took your money for, she and the management should have given you a full refund. She must have had dozens of men touching her ears or face during a blowjob in her life. And if it annoyed or scared her so much that she could not proceed with the agreed upon service it is simple enough to ask the customer not to do it or move the man's hands away.
As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2285003]+1 agree. IMO, even if you did something innocuous like touching her ears or her face while she was blowing you and she used that as an excuse not to deliver what she took your money for, she and the management should have given you a full refund. She must have had dozens of men touching her ears or face during a blowjob in her life. And if it annoyed or scared her so much that she could not proceed with the agreed upon service it is simple enough to ask the customer not to do it or move the man's hands away.
As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."[/QUOTE]Only the two people in the room know what actually happened. Does this girl have a history of not delivering on CIM, if so yes it's a straight up rip off. If she doesn't and most customers are happy with her performance it would suggest something out of the ordinary happened to cause the change in her behavior half way through the session. Gently touching a girls ear or face while she is sucking is perfectly fine, taking her hands away and holding her head in both hands is something entirely different and could conceivably give a girl cause for concern to what the customer is really after.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2285003]As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."[/QUOTE]You hit the nail on the head (pardon the pun).
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2284968]I fucked with hundreds of Thais so far (as I imagine most people on this forum did) and never had any trouble.[/QUOTE]Fucked with, or just fucked. I've fucked a few dozen Thai's (thank you ladies) but I have only once, for a very short time until I remembered I was a guest in their country, fucked WITH a Thai.
I also learned something yesterday. It's not a bad thing to talk like Warner Oland playing Charlie Chan when giving directions to a moto taxi. I told him FoRest and he nodded his head I jumped on and he went the wrong way so I directed him. When we got there he looked at me and said FoLest! I told him with a straight face sollee and have told all the rest FoLest since then and they all knew right where it was.
I haven't spoken like that because it seemed somehow bad in my head. Live and learn.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2285003]As far as I know nobody pays for JUST a "BBBJ" as oral foreplay with no expectation of a finish in some specific way. It is not an act that stands alone as something any punter searches out and pays for; "Just give me some oral foreplay for a few minutes and I'll be on my way, thanks. 500 baht? Fine."[/QUOTE]I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2286890]I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.[/QUOTE]Ah. But I'll bet you would have asked for your money back if she had only hovered her ass 12 inches above your cock or if she had rubbed her ass over your right foot instead.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2286890]I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.[/QUOTE]Ah. But I'll bet you would have asked for your money back if she had only hovered her ass 12 inches above your cock or if she had rubbed her ass on your right shoe instead.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2287305]if she had rubbed her ass on your right shoe instead.[/QUOTE]It depends. How much does a quality shoe shine cost these days?
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2287317]It depends. How much does a quality shoe shine cost these days?[/QUOTE]LOL. If he has to pay 500 baht for the left shoe too, I think 1,000 baht might be a tad bit pricy.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2286890]I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.[/QUOTE]For 500 k (16,000 USD) I wouldn't mind as well to do this. I have a small ass so if you close your eyes you won't feel the difference LOL.
About to start my 28 days trip to Thailand and the currency is definitively not in my favor. All currency right now are doing poorly against the baht. Because of it, I will have to plan better and be more efficient punting, 10% lost in 90 days which might translate one girl less.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2286890]I gave one of the Hooters girls 500 k just to rub her ass on my cock through my pants.[/QUOTE]500 k or 500 baht?
[QUOTE=Siamsin;2290262]Day 7.
It was Monday and my final night in Bkk before I hit Patts for 6 days. I had a few business meetings in the morning which I wrapped up early, so I had more time to play.
My plan was to finally meet a girl from Uthai Thani who I had also met on TF 2 months back. She was 21, cute and apparently a virgin. I had sent her some money to travel to Bkk to meet me. We were to spend the night together, then head to a destination 1 hour outside Bkk, spend the night there and we'd go our separate ways with me heading to Pattaya. Now this was a big gamble I was taking as firstly, I wasn't sure if she would pitch and secondly I didn't know if I'd like her that much to spend 2 nights with her. It's not really my style to go with girls LT, however, I did end up having 2 overnight affairs on my trip.
It's obvious why I'd do something this crazy, and it's because I wanted to take her virginity. We had discussed it prior to my arrival and she was quite content to let me be her first. 11 am I get a Line call, she had arrived in Bkk and was at a coffee shop near Ekkamai Bts. I head over and finally meet her. Let's just say she's very photogenic. In reality without filters she was still cute, but not what I anticipated. She had great legs, slightly tanned complexion, short, small bust, a bit of acne being covered up with makeup, cute smile, braces. We ordered some coffee's and something to eat. She started talking about how good it was to finally meet, how much she looked forward to this moment, how we go so well together and all that kind of stuff. Didn't really bother me, until she started going on about love, a distant relationship, meeting her family and going to visit her sickly father, and even about coming to live with me in my country. Errrr. What?.[/QUOTE]Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. [blue][Deleted by Admin][/blue] It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.
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[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290310]Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. Take a look at the shit you post. It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.[/QUOTE]Though I'm guilty of appreciating SiamSin's posts in start and it's hard to find moral line on this forum (considering it's sex in exchange of money) but now I'm feeling it too, especially after reading about sending the girl back after she travelled all the way to meet him, yes he gave her money but everything can't be escaped by throwing money. He should have been cautious before asking her to come all the way.
SiamSin shouldn't glorify these incidents and may be review his future FRs more before posting.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290310]Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. Take a look at the shit you post. It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.[/QUOTE]I think SiamSin just has a way of saying things in a more humorous way in keeping with how many men talk about these things among themselves but not necessarily exactly the way he said it to the lady in person. "luring a virgin from miles away"? Being involved quite a bit with dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid, I can assure you there are very, very few, maybe NO truly "innocent" Thai girls on those sites. I mean "innocent" in the same way we think of the word in the West.
I realize you did not use the word "innocent", but it seems to have been implied that she was an "innocent", unknowing virgin. Here's the thing; NO truly "innocent" Thai girl would ever go online to present herself in a virtual line up and then reply and respond to the idea of meeting a total stranger (a farang!), especially if there was the probability of sex happening. From a Thai male's point of view, that is less than a half step away from being a stone cold prostitute. Most "innocent" Thai girls have likely not even been left alone with a boy old enough to fuck them without grandma monitoring the situation nearby. We are a bit misled about the concept of "innocence" based on the girls we meet in and around the red light districts of Bangkok and Pattaya. Truly "innocent" Thai girls would never even pass through either of those places unless it was with their family.
And I would almost be willing to bet serious money that girl BROUGHT UP the idea of SiamSin paying for her trip to Bangkok and pestered him at least a half dozen times to transfer it quick quick quick before he finally did so. That is sure the way it has been with me and the "innocent" Thai girls living in the outlying areas I meet on those dating sites. That is, IF they really and truly do live in those outlying areas and are not instead pocketing the few hundred baht bus fare for the trip and merely hopping on their boyfriend's motorcycle to meet their generous farang in the bus terminal at the designated time all the way from Sukhumvit Soi 101. LOL. The chance of her now being a little lamb lost in the Big City with no idea what to do or where to go with the additional money he gave her is very remote.
Steve9696,
If you read the entire post you would realise that I said she's cute, but not what I anticipated (This happens a lot when meeting girls online). Never said she was ugly. I also pointed out that she was 'apparently' a virgin! It could all have been a hoax. The only reason that I didn't go through with it was the obvious emotional attachment that may arise. I believe that this is relevant to the board, considering that other punters may find themselves in a similar situation, using the online avenues I did. As much as I am guilty of wording the reports in a non-typical and more descriptive approach, my point was quite simple, if a punter finds himself in a situation with a virgin, maybe think twice especially if there will be no further commitment from his part thereafter.
The way I look at it, I was never disrespectful nor did I hurt her in anyway. If anything, she got to travel to the capital city, go around shopping and seeing attractions, spend a night there, and head back home without spending a cent. She sent me photos of her at Siam Paragon and MBK, 2 places she wanted to visit. We're still friends on Line, and chat occasionally.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290310]Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly..[/QUOTE]"Horrifying" is a bit too much, no?
We are talking about girls that are going to spend hours of intimate time with random guys that they've never met before in exchange of money. These girls have probably done it hundred times with hundreds foreigners, they have probably seen a lot worst than Siamsin and certainly from people of their own country also.
I don't think he did anything wrong, the girl that said she was a virgin was probably not virgin anyway, the girl in the MP is fooling dozens of customers a month with her out of shape body.
I like Siamsin's posts, especially the stolen pics. It's when you start getting emotional with these girls that you realise that they were not as kind as you thought and you get badly burnt.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2290368]I think SiamSin just has a way of saying things in a more humorous way in keeping with how many men talk about these things among themselves but not necessarily exactly the way he said it to the lady in person. "luring a virgin from miles away"? Being involved quite a bit with dating sites like ThaiFriendly and ThaiCupid, I can assure you there are very, very few, maybe NO truly "innocent" Thai girls on those sites. I mean "innocent" in the same way we think of the word in the West.
I realize you did not use the word "innocent", but it seems to have been implied that she was an "innocent", unknowing virgin. Here's the thing; NO truly "innocent" Thai girl would ever go online to present herself in a virtual line up and then reply and respond to the idea of meeting a total stranger (a farang!), especially if there was the probability of sex happening. From a Thai male's point of view, that is less than a half step away from being a stone cold prostitute. Most "innocent" Thai girls have likely not even been left alone with a boy old enough to fuck them without grandma monitoring the situation nearby. We are a bit misled about the concept of "innocence" based on the girls we meet in and around the red light districts of Bangkok and Pattaya. Truly "innocent" Thai girls would never even pass through either of those places unless it was with their family.
And I would almost be willing to bet serious money that girl BROUGHT UP the idea of SiamSin paying for her trip to Bangkok and pestered him at least a half dozen times to transfer it quick quick quick before he finally did so. That is sure the way it has been with me and the "innocent" Thai girls living in the outlying areas I meet on those dating sites. That is, IF they really and truly do live in those outlying areas and are not instead pocketing the few hundred baht bus fare for the trip and merely hopping on their boyfriend's motorcycle to meet their generous farang in the bus terminal at the designated time all the way from Sukhumvit Soi 101. LOL. The chance of her now being a little lamb lost in the Big City with no idea what to do or where to go with the additional money he gave her is very remote.[/QUOTE]Have to agree 100% with this perspective.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290310]Wow. I try not to judge. I really do. But first the face pics. Then the stolen moment pics. Now luring a virgin from miles away. You pick a girl and then send her away telling her she is too ugly. Take a look at the shit you post. It is horrifying. These girls are human beings.[/QUOTE]Trust me there are plenty more guys that have done worse shit. How do you think 7 / 10 prostitutes are single mothers?
There is nothing wrong with face pics IMHO. There are plenty of folks who post face pics. Same goes for "stolen moment" pics. How do you know it is not a screen grab from a video that was filmed with consent? I am certain he is not the first guy sending away a girl because she was not visually appealing. Sure, I may have personal views that are different. But it is the BM's right to post as he feels. There is an Administrator to decide it is appropriate or not.
Best way to ask a "normal girl" (7-11, coffee house, etc) worker if they do ST or LT without offending them? I see her often on Holiday so don't want to make it weird if she don't.
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2290507]Have to agree 100% with this perspective.
Trust me there are plenty more guys that have done worse shit. How do you think 7 / 10 prostitutes are single mothers?
There is nothing wrong with face pics IMHO. There are plenty of folks who post face pics. Same goes for "stolen moment" pics. How do you know it is not a screen grab from a video that was filmed with consent? I am certain he is not the first guy sending away a girl because she was not visually appealing. Sure, I may have personal views that are different. But it is the BM's right to post as he feels. There is an Administrator to decide it is appropriate or not.[/QUOTE]Sure. I am not saying that we should censor his posts. And yes there are worse guys on the planet. That doesn't change the fact that I think his behavior is douchey. And I am glad I am granted the freedom to say so. I know that tigers can't change their stripes and hoping they will is futile. But I think sometimes people should step back and examine their behavior (me included!) and we may sometimes conclude "damn. That was a shitty thing to do. " And perhaps make a slight change to our future actions. Maybe a vain hope. But it is my hope nonetheless.
[QUOTE=Siamsin;2290419] I also pointed out that she was 'apparently' a virgin! It could all have been a hoax. The only reason that I didn't go through with it was the obvious emotional attachment that may arise. I believe that this is relevant to the board, considering that other punters may find themselves in a similar situation, using the online avenues I did. As much as I am guilty of wording the reports in a non-typical and more descriptive approach, my point was quite simple, if a punter finds himself in a situation with a virgin, maybe think twice especially if there will be no further commitment from his part thereafter.
The way I look at it, I was never disrespectful nor did I hurt her in anyway. If anything, she got to travel to the capital city, go around shopping and seeing attractions, spend a night there, and head back home without spending a cent. She sent me photos of her at Siam Paragon and MBK, 2 places she wanted to visit. We're still friends on Line, and chat occasionally.[/QUOTE]Based on the conversation you described, you are the hunter but I can see you could become hunted at some point if you go thru with it.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290577]That doesn't change the fact that I think his behavior is douchey.[/QUOTE]Maybe rewording my entire story would sound less 'douchey' in your books Steve. It would go something like this.
Met a girl that I had chatted to from TF at a coffee shop. She arrived from Uthai Thani to meet me in Bkk at my expense. An okay looking girl and a apparently a virgin. We had discussed having sex on our chats. She was really happy to finally meet me, but her constant mention of love, a relationship and meeting her family, got to me. I decided I couldn't go through with this, so I made up an excuse to leave, gave her enough money to stay the night in BKK, shop and travel home the next day. Is that better Steve?
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290577] "damn. That was a shitty thing to do." [/QUOTE]Perhaps if I went through with having sex with her and claiming her virginity, promising to meet her family and ensuring that I would continue a distant relationship with her, all the while whispering sweet words of love in her ear, but as soon as the 2 nights were over and she left, I blocked her and ended all contact with her, and you said that was 'a shitty thing to do' I would agree 100%.
However, meeting a girl for the first time and not being happy with an emotional attachment that may arise (catching feelings) if we had to have sex, knowing that my intention was purely sexual but not her's, then giving her money for her troubles is certainly not a shitty thing to do, I believe it was the right thing to do.
[QUOTE=Steve9696;2290577] "damn. That was a shitty thing to do."[/QUOTE]IMO these are 'shitty' things to do and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular:
1. Having a wife that you apparently love, took vows with, have kids with, but she doesn't know that you sleep with prostitutes, post about it on a forum, then go home and kiss her like nothing happened. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
2. Having sex with poor prostitutes and offering them extra money for BBFS because it 'feels' better but endangers the girl, yourself, your wife and future punters. I think that's pretty 'shitty' and pretty selfish.
3. Knowingly having an STD, not doing anything about it, but still punting for BBFS without concern for the lady's medical bills or her well being. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
But if me paying a girl for no sex is 'douchy' and a 'shitty' thing to do, then I must apologise for not conforming to the norm Steve.
[QUOTE=Siamsin;2290619]Maybe rewording my entire story would sound less 'douchey' in your books Steve. It would go something like this.
Met a girl that I had chatted to from TF at a coffee shop. She arrived from Uthai Thani to meet me in Bkk at my expense. An okay looking girl and a apparently a virgin. We had discussed having sex on our chats. She was really happy to finally meet me, but her constant mention of love, a relationship and meeting her family, got to me. I decided I couldn't go through with this, so I made up an excuse to leave, gave her enough money to stay the night in BKK, shop and travel home the next day. Is that better Steve?
Perhaps if I went through with having sex with her and claiming her virginity, promising to meet her family and ensuring that I would continue a distant relationship with her, all the while whispering sweet words of love in her ear, but as soon as the 2 nights were over and she left, I blocked her and ended all contact with her, and you said that was 'a shitty thing to do' I would agree 100%.
However, meeting a girl for the first time and not being happy with an emotional attachment that may arise (catching feelings) if we had to have sex, knowing that my intention was purely sexual but not her's, then giving her money for her troubles is certainly not a shitty thing to do, I believe it was the right thing to do.
IMO these are 'shitty' things to do and I'm not pointing fingers at anyone in particular:
1. Having a wife that you apparently love, took vows with, have kids with, but she doesn't know that you sleep with prostitutes, post about it on a forum, then go home and kiss her like nothing happened. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
2. Having sex with poor prostitutes and offering them extra money for BBFS because it 'feels' better but endangers the girl, yourself, your wife and future punters. I think that's pretty 'shitty' and pretty selfish.
3. Knowingly having an STD, not doing anything about it, but still punting for BBFS without concern for the lady's medical bills or her well being. I think that's pretty 'shitty'.
But if me paying a girl for no sex is 'douchy' and a 'shitty' thing to do, then I must apologise for not conforming to the norm Steve.[/QUOTE]Easy enough to ignore me, but instead you wrote a considered response. I appreciate that. And thanks to all forum guys who make for interesting dialog. And always thanks to all the WGs, especially those that make us believe it's real for an hour. Hats off to them.
[QUOTE=Hack351;2290528]Best way to ask a "normal girl" (7-11, coffee house, etc) worker if they do ST or LT without offending them? I see her often on Holiday so don't want to make it weird if she don't.[/QUOTE]Why not ask her out like a normal person? Why try to make everyone out to be hookers?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2290698]Why not ask her out like a normal person? Why try to make everyone out to be hookers?[/QUOTE]That would be my recommendation too. But chances are very good that it will turn into some form of P4P anyway if the girl inserts into the conversation how strapped for cash she is, that her family needs money, her baby needs clothes or whatever. Not meaning that she is a hooker exactly or that he is only a customer. It is just a reality of life and imo fair for a man who is boffing an extremely low income girl to give her a gift (money) to "help her family" or to "buy her baby new clothes."
And it is entirely possible she will refuse an offer of money. It happens. But if the "gift" offer is made as close as possible to her mentioning how low on cash she is then it will be a natural response to what she just said and he should not be worried about having insulted her out of the blue.
If the idea is he really doesn't want to have a dating relationship with the girl and only wants to fuck, pay and leave (or her to leave), then he will need to tighten up the spaces between Hello, My Baby Need Clothes, I Can Help You, The Fuck Session, Here Let Me Help You and Bye (until next time). LOL.
Personally, I think the instant the girl mentions anything about needing money it is game on with that sequence of events and she will appreciate the speed and efficiency with which the man grasped the situation and acted on it rather than feel insulted by it.
My experience anyway. YMMV.
[QUOTE=EihTooms;2290734]That would be my recommendation too. But chances are very good that it will turn into some form of P4P anyway if the girl inserts into the conversation how strapped for cash she is, that her family needs money, her baby needs clothes or whatever. Not meaning that she is a hooker exactly or that he is only a customer. It is just a reality of life and imo fair for a man who is boffing an extremely low income girl to give her a gift (money) to "help her family" or to "buy her baby new clothes."
And it is entirely possible she will refuse an offer of money. It happens. But if the "gift" offer is made as close as possible to her mentioning how low on cash she is then it will be a natural response to what she just said and he should not be worried about having insulted her out of the blue.
If the idea is he really doesn't want to have a dating relationship with the girl and only wants to fuck, pay and leave (or her to leave), then he will need to tighten up the spaces between Hello, My Baby Need Clothes, I Can Help You, The Fuck Session, Here Let Me Help You and Bye (until next time). LOL.
Personally, I think the instant the girl mentions anything about needing money it is game on with that sequence of events and she will appreciate the speed and efficiency with which the man grasped the situation and acted on it rather than feel insulted by it.
My experience anyway. YMMV.[/QUOTE]OK, that's the avenue I thought to take. I just wasn't sure if there was a shortcut to P4P conversation.
1 more question before I arrive. My last trip I came back with both chlamydia and gonorrhea. I like BB too much I don't care about the shot in the ass or the 2 horse pills they give you but I don't want to be judged by my primary care Dr. Is there something I could buy at a pharmacy or a clinic the day I go back to ward off any possibilities? I'll be in Pattaya.
In November I posted about a girl who went on holiday with a farang who didn't pay the agreed 30,000 baht fee. This is the friend of one of my Thaifriendly girls. Older girl who is a bit chunky, not pretty.
Today I asked how the girlfriend was doing financially. It turns out that getting stiffed by the farang convinced her to start a new way of dealing with farang men. She basically finds farang men on Thaifriendly and Thaiflirting. She spends hours each night video chatting with these men, telling them how much she cares for them and doing video masturbations. After a few days of sucking them in she tells them her financial problems. Can't pay rent. Can't pay kids' tuition. Can't pay power bill. Sometimes she makes plans to meet them in Bangkok, but says she doesn't have money to buy travel things (clothes, suitcase, etc.). She now has several men sending money to her. Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it. She has no intentions of meeting any of these farang men, just wants to collect their pity money. I'm surprised she is successful at this, she speaks almost zero English.
I suspect this is a pretty standard Thai girl scheme for money.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2299080]She now has several men sending money to her. Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it.[/QUOTE]I have said before that women have told me they do not ask for anything, guys just force it upon them. No surprise when reading reports of guys being with chicks that don't even want money but they sneak it into their bags or tell them to buy something for their child or whatever. I remember when I first started going to Philippines and posted about fucking normal women and not having to give them anything. I was ridiculed by guys saying you are supposed to give them something anyway. Talking about they are just shy to ask. I have met plenty of chicks that have not been shy to ask, so if they need it that bad then I am sure they would ask. Besides, if they keep coming back over and over for even years sometimes and you have not given them anything, then that theory has lost its wind.
I am of the school of not giving them shit, that way I know who is with me for me and who is with me because they want money and other tangible goods. I pay hookers. I don't pay or "help" chicks that claim not to be a hooker. We can go out and live it up and take trips together, but no dough! Hell, she made it all these years without my money, why would she need it now?
At the beginning of last month I spent some time with a chick who works at a clinic in Colombia. Two weeks after, she told me that she wanted me to get her a phone just like mine. She saw how I could take pictures in the water at the beach and all. Samsung Note 9. $1000. I told her no. She has not said a word to me since.
As I write this a chick is just leaving my room. She works at the cable company in Pattaya. She has been over here a million times, usually late at night and she gets up for work early the next day. This morning she was asking if I had a girl over here because there is hair in the bathroom that is not hers. She said but she is not mad. This chick had never asked me for anything until one minute ago when she asked me to give her money to get food. I went and got my wallet and gave her 200 baht. She thanked me and I walked her out.
Big difference between the two chicks. And I would say big difference between me and a lot of other mongers. I have friends though that do the same shit and they should definitely know better. A while back a married friend that has mongered all over the world was talking about sending a Pattaya bar girl monthly remittances because it seemed she really wanted better for her life. I don't know if he ever started doing it, but that is the kind of shit going on out there.
Another chick that I mess with told me a gang of stories about guys. She said one guy told her the next time he comes he is going to buy her some land. She said she does not know if he is telling the truth or not, but last time gave her 50,000 baht for staying with him for 10 days. Meanwhile I gave her 1200 baht for staying with me about 18 hours.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2299112]I have friends though that do the same shit and they should definitely know better. A while back a married friend that has mongered all over the world was talking about sending a Pattaya bar girl monthly remittances because it seemed she really wanted better for her life. I don't know if he ever started doing it, but that is the kind of shit going on out there.
Another chick that I mess with told me a gang of stories about guys. She said one guy told her the next time he comes he is going to buy her some land. She said she does not know if he is telling the truth or not, but last time gave her 50,000 baht for staying with him for 10 days. Meanwhile I gave her 1200 baht for staying with me about 18 hours.[/QUOTE]Yup.
In the province I live in Isan the stories I hear and have heard from current providers, retired ones and their family members reflect these comments.
I see the land, houses and new Isuzu the-Max's from "Lor Falang with good heart" money daily.
If you have nothing better to do with your coin good on you. Your Bar girls husbands, boyfriends and family are living it up and need more.
Having skimmed the posts, I would like to ask if folk can help me put int a TV proposal. Basically there are TV shows where the crew look at shoddy workmanship alleged handymen or tradesmen did on buildings and how they over charged for same. The show then gets a professional crew in to fix up the damage, usually gratis.
I would pitch as follows: We get guys who have been done over and shaken down by the hookers of Thailand and the Philippines. After hearing their sob stories, then we send in the happy brigade, seasoned hookers to give them what they need on the house. We could have an are and X rated version of this show. Sponsors would not be an issue. Takers?
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2299080]
Most are sending around 5,000 baht per week. One farang sent 25,000 baht for her daughter's tuition. She doesn't even need to ask for the money, men just offer it. She has no intentions of meeting any of these farang men, just wants to collect their pity money. I'm surprised she is successful at this, she speaks almost zero English.
I suspect this is a pretty standard Thai themgirl scheme for money.[/QUOTE]This is chicken shit money for many mongers, so I suspect they don't really care. It's just a bit of light amusement for them and makes them feel good. No harm. Mongers are not going to go poor and girls aren't going to get rich. Each benefits a little, so let it continue!
I can understand Mr E's approach to payment, but me and many mongers feel better if we give the girls some money.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299295]This is chicken shit money for many mongers, so I suspect they don't really care. It's just a bit of light amusement for them and makes them feel good. No harm. Mongers are not going to go poor and girls aren't going to get rich. Each benefits a little, so let it continue!
I can understand Mr E's approach to payment, but me and many mongers feel better if we give the girls some money.[/QUOTE]Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.
A very wise monger I know goes so far as to pay them per session at the usual rate even when he takes them on a trip (pays for the trip as well). He'll also "loan" gals he's known for a time up to two sessions worth of money. But that loan is paid with the next two sessions.
Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors. In fact, it makes you a mark in the gal's eye. It means she no longer has to earn. Your giving it for free. And she will never give it for free.
The conversation on getting it for free amuses me. Those members who argue for it being perfectly acceptable are the same members who regularly glorify in paying the girls less than scale. Wrapping it up in self-serving justification waffle is a snow job. Let's call it out for what it is, it's simply being cheap and worse in some cases taking advantage of mostly vulnerable impressionable uneducated girls. I accept there is not the occasional genuine boy meets girl romance but come on guys don't be a cheap charlie pay the lady or leave the bed.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2299129]Having skimmed the posts, I would like to ask if folk can help me put int a TV proposal. Basically there are TV shows where the crew look at shoddy workmanship alleged handymen or tradesmen did on buildings and how they over charged for same. The show then gets a professional crew in to fix up the damage, usually gratis.
I would pitch as follows: We get guys who have been done over and shaken down by the hookers of Thailand and the Philippines. After hearing their sob stories, then we send in the happy brigade, seasoned hookers to give them what they need on the house. We could have an are and X rated version of this show. Sponsors would not be an issue. Takers?[/QUOTE]I'll help and I have TV experience.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2299379]Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.
Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors.[/QUOTE]On the contrary, sending money to "take care" wins you the real title of boyfriend. A customer is one who gives money per session. I always tell working girls that I like to be customer, not boyfriend.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2299379]Giving them money for nothing ruins a perfectly good working girl and will change the relationship you have with her forever. Honeslty, you're hiring them for a job. They view you as a customer, so view them as you would any service provider.
A very wise monger I know goes so far as to pay them per session at the usual rate even when he takes them on a trip (pays for the trip as well). He'll also "loan" gals he's known for a time up to two sessions worth of money. But that loan is paid with the next two sessions.
Sorry, sending money to a working girl, whether you can afford it or not and no matter how it makes you "feel" , wins you no real favors. In fact, it makes you a mark in the gal's eye. It means she no longer has to earn. Your giving it for free. And she will never give it for free.[/QUOTE]Mate, who cares if it ruins a girl? If the mongers want to send money for doing nothing, isn't it their prerogative? Seriously, a monger spills more than that chicken shit money at the pub on Fridays. If a girl is ruined, then there's only another few million or so left in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia. Everyone is getting too concerned about what a monger can and can't do with his money.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2299406]On the contrary, sending money to "take care" wins you the real title of boyfriend. A customer is one who gives money per session. I always tell working girls that I like to be customer, not boyfriend.[/QUOTE]Perhaps that is true in some cases, but not the specific case that I mentioned. She has no intention of meeting any of her customers, but, she will make plans to spend holiday with you but she has no intention of actually showing up at the designated meeting place. She doesn’t care that a farang flew half way around the world to spend his holiday with her. For her, it's a business. Chat, video sex, and her sob stories results in farang money being wired to Issan. That has become her only source of money since November.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2299437]Perhaps that is true in some cases, but not the specific case that I mentioned. She has no intention of meeting any of her customers, [/QUOTE]The case I was talking about is if a guy has met and fucked a hooker here and sends money afterwards. I was not talking about the catfishing and scamming that your friend's friend is doing.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299432]Mate, who cares if it ruins a girl? Everyone is getting too concerned about what a monger can and can't do with his money.[/QUOTE]I don't give a fuck what anyone does with their money. The effects of doing that is what concerns me. In the 20 years that I have been mongering I have personally seen Costa Rica, Rio de Janeiro, and Sosua, Dominican Republic ruined because of this kind of shit. And from the looks of it, those same guys are working on ruining Medellin, Colombia right now. Doesn't much affect me because I learn languages, get normal chicks, and go to spots that locals go to.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2299455]I don't give a fuck what anyone does with their money. The effects of doing that is what concerns me. In the 20 years that I have been mongering I have personally seen Costa Rica, Rio de Janeiro, and Sosua, Dominican Republic ruined because of this kind of shit. And from the looks of it, those same guys are working on ruining Medellin, Colombia right now. Doesn't much affect me because I learn languages, get normal chicks, and go to spots that locals go to.[/QUOTE]Exactly. That is the point.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299432]Mate, who cares if it ruins a girl? If the mongers want to send money for doing nothing, isn't it their prerogative? Seriously, a monger spills more than that chicken shit money at the pub on Fridays. If a girl is ruined, then there's only another few million or so left in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia. Everyone is getting too concerned about what a monger can and can't do with his money.[/QUOTE]Point is it doesn't just ruin one gal, it ruins the entire scene. Changes expectations of not just that one gal, but all the ones she communicates with.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2299406]On the contrary, sending money to "take care" wins you the real title of boyfriend. A customer is one who gives money per session. I always tell working girls that I like to be customer, not boyfriend.[/QUOTE]I'd say it earns you the title of "patsy. " She isn't your "girlfriend" unless you are at least living in the same country as she is. Chances are even then she has more than one "boyfriend. ".
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299432]If a girl is ruined, then there's only another few million or so left in Thailand, Philippines and Indonesia.[/QUOTE]Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2299390]The conversation on getting it for free amuses me. Those members who argue for it being perfectly acceptable are the same members who regularly glorify in paying the girls less than scale. Wrapping it up in self-serving justification waffle is a snow job. Let's call it out for what it is, it's simply being cheap and worse in some cases taking advantage of mostly vulnerable impressionable uneducated girls. I accept there is not the occasional genuine boy meets girl romance but come on guys don't be a cheap charlie pay the lady or leave the bed.[/QUOTE]Agreed. Even the ladies who aren't giving it up regularly for cash can still always use some help. I like to give gifts.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2299825]Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.[/QUOTE]Technology disrupters have entered just about every industry. Look at taxis, hotels, food delivery, motor vehicles, book sales and movies. Why should the mongering industry be any different?
There are mongers who will always yearn for the good old days when bar fines were 100 baht, girls asked for 300 baht all night with 4 pops CIM, there were no Indians or Russians in Pattaya, when AC wasn't teaming Koreans, the bars were all rocking and there was no internet. Unfortunately, those days are gone and mongers just need to adapt. To say that the sponsors have destroyed it for everyone is a bit ridiculous. The girls now have access to technology and there is very little unemployment in the shithole countries in which we monger in. These are the only things which have changed.
If it's any consolation, the average western monger has seen his wealth dramatically rise to unprecedented levels over the past 20-years (despite the GFC). Stocks have risen, property has risen and he's probably had five promotions at work. I don't see any mongers bleating about that.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2299825]Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.[/QUOTE]A very spot on analysis. Sad but true.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299950]Technology disrupters have entered just about every industry. Look at taxis, hotels, food delivery, motor vehicles, book sales and movies. Why should the mongering industry be any different?
There are mongers who will always yearn for the good old days when bar fines were 100 baht, girls asked for 300 baht all night with 4 pops CIM, there were no Indians or Russians in Pattaya, when AC wasn't teaming Koreans, the bars were all rocking and there was no internet. Unfortunately, those days are gone and mongers just need to adapt. To say that the sponsors have destroyed it for everyone is a bit ridiculous. The girls now have access to technology and there is very little unemployment in the shithole countries in which we monger in. These are the only things which have changed.
If it's any consolation, the average western monger has seen his wealth dramatically rise to unprecedented levels over the past 20-years (despite the GFC). Stocks have risen, property has risen and he's probably had five promotions at work. I don't see any mongers bleating about that.[/QUOTE]Have to say I agree with Croc on this one. Yes, in many aspects of life technology has led to better service and ease. With mongering, it's the opposite. It's led to hordes of mongers who have very low expectations of the gals they take, higher prices, bad attitudes, and on and on. How do you "adapt" to that? It's like being sold a car that that has fewer features, is less technologically advanced, and performs worse than you old car for 5 times the price. And the amazing thing is that so many of the new punters are ok with this. How many times on the forum do we read, "well she didn't do what she promised but I tipped her anyway."
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2299950]there is very little unemployment in the shithole countries in which we monger in. [/QUOTE]It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2300031]It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.[/QUOTE]Correct, however the rise in salaries in Thailand no where justifies the crazy increase in p4 p prices and is absolutely no excuse nor reason for the decreased performance standards or the terrible attitudes. That lies at the feet of the punters, who have become far less demanding.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2300031]It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.[/QUOTE]The other day I was at Pattaya Bazaar and ran into a chick that I know who works there. She started talking about another chick that we know in common that always goes to the discos. The disco chick had borrowed up to 10 K from the Bazaar chick and never paid it back over 2 years. The disco chick called the Bazaar chick's boyfriend and caused him to break up with her. The Bazaar chick did not want to be friends with the disco chick anymore at which time she paid her her 10 K back. We both said that was weird.
As I have always said that most hookers these days are hookers because they are lazy. The Bazaar chick goes on about how the disco chick talks about how she can make 2000 or 3000 for a short time. The Bazaar chick realizes that is not steady employment. She said she makes enough at the bazaar to pay her bills and send money back home and she has a motorbike and a car (I am thinking the former boyfriend may have helped somewhat). Meanwhile I always see the disco chick walking and hardly ever with a customer at the discos. So the disco chick spends hours on end hoping for money, while the bazaar chick is spending the same amount of time actually making money and is not complaining about anything.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2300036]Correct, however the rise in salaries in Thailand no where justifies the crazy increase in p4 p prices and is absolutely no excuse nor reason for the decreased performance standards or the terrible attitudes. That lies at the feet of the punters, who have become far less demanding.[/QUOTE]We also need to factor in that each day, thousands of first time mongers are coming to Thailand from China, India and Korea. The burgeoning middle class from these countries now wants to taste foreign pussy and no one is going to stop it. 20 years ago, the western monger did not encounter this problem and had free reign over the chicks.
The girls can drop their standards because the new mongers don't know what to expect and have no performance benchmark for comparison.
Sure, technology, low unemployment, higher salaries and greater competition from new mongers means the game now sucks. But so what, we just need to adapt and find our niche.
[QUOTE=EngineDriver;2300227]We also need to factor in that each day, thousands of first time mongers are coming to Thailand from China, India and Korea. The burgeoning middle class from these countries now wants to taste foreign pussy and no one is going to stop it. 20 years ago, the western monger did not encounter this problem and had free reign over the chicks.
The girls can drop their standards because the new mongers don't know what to expect and have no performance benchmark for comparison.
Sure, technology, low unemployment, higher salaries and greater competition from new mongers means the game now sucks. But so what, we just need to adapt and find our niche.[/QUOTE]I agree with your first paragraph. Yes, the influx of hordes of Asian first time mongers has really effected (read practically ruined) the p4 p scene for in Thailand. I remember my first trip to Nom Penh in the late 90s. Ran into a dude I had met in Bkk a few months before the first night. He literally grabbed me by my collar and said, "This is what you pay them," and proceeded to list the prices at all the venues. And added, "If you pay more you'll ruin it for all of us including yourself." He's right. Sadly the natural progression is for it to be ruined. It's inevitable and with the ease of travel and the ease of gathering information, places will lose their luster quickly. Thailand was amazing for decades. The decline happened very quickly. Mongers wanting good scenes need to choose places that are edgy and where there is very little for tourists these days. Methinks the final run for us over 50s will be a country in the north of South America once it stabilizes just a wee bit. Probably get at least a few good years where it is cheap and lots of fun.
I don't see much of a niche left to tell you the truth. Many of us have no want to spend hours on the net shifting through the chaff. Even there it's tough to find a gal that ticks all the boxes. The beauty of the scene in Thailand was its ease. Walk down Sukhumvit at night and get propositioned every 15 mtrs, go to a soapy and you'd have a hundred gals to look at, hit a pse oily and you'd have a hard time choosing, go to Thermae and it was a party every night with aggressive gals grabbing your package. That's all gone and it's not coming back. What's replaced it is less fun, harder work for the monger, and considerably more expensive. Honeslty if it were better and more expensive, we'd all be happy.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2300265].... Honeslty if it were better and more expensive, we'd all be happy.[/QUOTE]For me, this is exactly true. I can only spend 7 or 8 weeks in Thailand per year and with that short of a season I don't worry much about girl money. If I pay an extra 1,000 baht per day that means my vacation costs went up by only 15%; that's not a big deal. Perhaps it is people like me who screw up the pricing for the mongers who have 365 days of access.
I don't think that money is the issue for quality. The best professional experience of my life was with an average looking Butterflies girl who only charged 2000 baht short time, but she was an excellent performer and stayed about 12 hours. I think I tipped her about 1000 baht.
Right now the stupid shit in Thailand is probably the election tomorrow.
Corruption still reigns supreme. In the province the next door neighbour say she will vote for No. 6 on the ticket, I think it's from Chuan's party or is that Aphisit's party, more comebacks? She says she got paid 300 Baht for her vote. There are even people setup to take the voters' ID details to make sure they voted for who they said they would when paid.
Naturally people who get elected have to use nefarious means to get back some of the money the invested to get elected.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2300310]Perhaps it is people like me who screw up the pricing for the mongers who have 365 days of access.[/QUOTE]A socialist friend of mine I set up top be a millionaire complained that in Tunisia the Germans were ruining it for everyone by tipping. This socialist millionaire would prefer folk worked for nothing. Jacking up the prices and gentrying the P4P industry does have its advantages as it weeds out the crap and brings more money in by encouraging women tourists who spend m ore. Guys just spend money on beer, flat screen TVs to watch sport and putting their penises into warm, moist places.
Expecting hookers to open up for peanut is silly when better options are now available to them as they are to us.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2300361]Right now the stupid shit in Thailand is probably the election tomorrow.
Corruption still reigns supreme. In the province the next door neighbour say she will vote for No. 6 on the ticket, I think it's from Chuan's party or is that Aphisit's party, more comebacks? She says she got paid 300 Baht for her vote. There are even people setup to take the voters' ID details to make sure they voted for who they said they would when paid.
Naturally people who get elected have to use nefarious means to get back some of the money the invested to get elected.[/QUOTE]1000 THB a household where I am.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2300371]A socialist friend of mine I set up top be a millionaire complained that in Tunisia the Germans were ruining it for everyone by tipping. This socialist millionaire would prefer folk worked for nothing. Jacking up the prices and gentrying the P4P industry does have its advantages as it weeds out the crap and brings more money in by encouraging women tourists who spend m ore. Guys just spend money on beer, flat screen TVs to watch sport and putting their penises into warm, moist places.
Expecting hookers to open up for peanut is silly when better options are now available to them as they are to us.[/QUOTE]Well, he probably did not expect people to work for nothing, Making 1 or 1. 5 k baht for 30 min to an hour of work in Thailand is quite a bit more than the 300 Baht a day min wage. Jacking up the prices has no advantages. It simply makes it "exclusive" which is exactly what folks came to Thailand to escape. Nothing worse than the "I can afford it and you can't" crowd. It's nice to have a scene everyone can enjoy. That's really the point.
[QUOTE=HorseTrader;2300310]For me, this is exactly true. I can only spend 7 or 8 weeks in Thailand per year and with that short of a season I don't worry much about girl money. If I pay an extra 1,000 baht per day that means my vacation costs went up by only 15%; that's not a big deal. Perhaps it is people like me who screw up the pricing for the mongers who have 365 days of access.
I don't think that money is the issue for quality. The best professional experience of my life was with an average looking Butterflies girl who only charged 2000 baht short time, but she was an excellent performer and stayed about 12 hours. I think I tipped her about 1000 baht.[/QUOTE]You get guys who are paying for an expensive Hotel, and eat in expensive restaurants, which is fine, maybe splurge money on drinks, but then want to pay very stingy for a girl. That is what I find to be a "mean" attitude. If they value the sex so much less than their room, and dinner, why take the sex at all? Seems like they just need a hole to stick the dick in. Can go get a cheap BJ at the BJ shop. Can roll the dice with street walkers. However they need not whinge about prices. Street walkers are still cheap.
Makes a lot more sense to me if guys looking for a quality room, and quality food, and paying more, also do so with taking higher quality girls, or alternatively more of them. These days I try to work to some sort of budget due to being in Thailand a lot more than 6 weeks per year. I used to spend far more. The first way to reduce spend is by eating healthy Thai food (yes its possible to find that largely vegetable based. Ignoring all the junky stuff Thais eat) and cheaply. Then stay in a very Moderately priced accommodation. Room has to have a desk to work at, and comfortable bed, and preferably not noisy, and location has to be convenient for either me or the visiting girls. Finally make private meetings with favourite girls to cut out bar fees, drinks, massage fees to management etc. , but I need a quality girl, with good looks, good fun, good performance.
The prices got a lot higher, we have to accept it, or take the desperate girls willing to go lower. The advantage of regular girls, is you don't have to bicker the price. They know I pay fairly, not always exactly the same. There can be a bonus for working them extra hard or for longer time. They are extra keen to visit me when business is low.
Do I want to pay very cheaply for a crap rushed session with a girl with a body gone bad? Or will I pay somewhat more for the girl with pretty face, good body, plenty of time no rush, fun and skills? I prefer the later. Lowest price is not everything for some of us. Even endlessly changing girls is not important to me. It is about getting the best experience for time invested for me. For some reason I can not find very plain faced girls that exciting, nor high surgeries girls, nor fat, damaged or saggy bodies. Over the years, just got used to looking at much higher quality. Not every pussy is equal too. Too me, it makes sense that girls should come for a wide range of prices. They are not all equally desirable or worth exactly the same money. A bad fuck is not worth the same as a good fuck. That obvious to me but others disagree. Some girls I would not be interested to fuck for free.
In the 80's and early 90's this place was Utopia, you could get a girl for the whole night for 500 Baht Plus BF, maybe far less in the 80's. Even my Thermae girls were wonderful. Unfortunately something went wrong, and prices took off at some period when I was not mongering. Still, cheaper countries exist, if mongering is not illegal there. Out of the city in Cambodia where girls have no English.
Seems that everyone has very different priorities, especially for how to use money.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2300614]Do I want to pay very cheaply for a crap rushed session with a girl with a body gone bad? Or will I pay somewhat more for the girl with pretty face, good body, plenty of time no rush, fun and skills? I prefer the later. [/QUOTE]Why are these the only 2 options? Of course you could pay cheaply for a girl with a pretty face, good body, plenty of time, fun and skills. You could also pay somewhat more for a crap rushed session with a girl with a body gone bad. Paying more does not necessarily get you a better anything, as well as paying less does not necessarily get you a worse anything.
And besides from how she looks, there is not much of anything that can be assured before the session takes place. I remember one chick that I met on Tinder.. She had the worst fucking attitude, but once that dick went up in her it was like she was a totally different person. As soon as the dick came out, back to being the same asshole.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2299825]Unfortunately, the mongering scene in all of these countries has long been in serious and irreversible decline, and in Thailand the regular dating scene is going to shit too (relative to what it was only a few years ago). I'm 100% certain about this for Thailand and Indonesia, not closely familiar with the Philippines.
Ten years ago, when decent girls were cheap and plentiful, I would have agreed with you. An occasional sponsor might have even done us a favor overall, since the girls had something to aspire too, and would be nicer to Farang customers in hopes of maybe snagging a regular or semi-regular sponsor.
However, these days, the scene has changed massively, we're left scraping the bottom of the barrel. Throw the sponsors into this mess, and you have bottom-end girls, who already charge high prices for not much service, thinking they're worth even more. Slightly more skilled ones are even dropping out of the straight-out PFP scene altogether, moving to chasing sponsors online.[/QUOTE]In the glory years of the 80's and 90's tourism figures into don muang were only around 250,000 per annum now its 20 million so you see where they have become spoilt by too much money. In the crash of 97 I was getting over 90 bahts to the pound and st was 3-500 and even all night was a 1000 to bang them day and night. It was so good I used to see regular guys on the plane that were booking 3 plane seats for every 2 months visits. Yes scraping the barrel indeed,that's why many old timers are going elsewhere as its bad value now.
Up to 2013 my regular gals were 2000 a pop then they jacked up their rates to 5000 a pop overnight. So that led me to find other places. In the glory years it was all westerners now its tons of Russians Indians and Chinese.
Hi guys,
Would be visiting Busan and Seoul for holiday.
Any suggestions for best hostess bars? And escort services? Or erotic spas and saunas in the above cities?
Anand.
[QUOTE=Anandraj3669;2301567]Would be visiting Busan and Seoul for holiday.
Any suggestions for best hostess bars? And escort services? Or erotic spas and saunas in the above cities?[/QUOTE]Have you tried the South Korea forum?
Just did a trip to Bangkok and Pattaya and had signed up for Thai Friendly using a handle that had 'freelance' in it thinking the girls who did freelance would see it and understand what I was looking for and would respond, didn't happen. So I deleted that account and opened another using a more reasonably named handle, still not too many replies. So I upgraded to premium which put my messages to the top of their inbox and that seemed to really turn around the lack of responses. I didn't use it much in Bangkok, mainly in Pattaya and did ten girls on that site. Of those ten I'd say half of them looked as good as their photo's, the rest were acceptable and didn't get turned away but it did sour me to using it too often when Soi 6 was so close. I was with a Thai Friendly girl for several days who had over 1700 messages that she basically just ignored. She also had her LINE ID on her account for a bit and her LINE kept popping up on her phone and she'd just swipe those chats away.
I finally hit the cancel feature on Thai Friendly and even though it says you get a full refund if you cancel within 14 days I was still charged and no option came up to ask for the refund. I uninstalled the app from my phone but then changed my mind and put it back on. Since I had deleted my old account that was premium the handle that came up was the old one with 'freelance'. I hit the password and it let me log in. I then signed in on my laptop under the freelance and noticed something odd. It had transferred my premium membership to the old account. I was then allowed to change the handle again since it was listed as premium. Under my account where it lists when you were charged for your membership, first billed etc it just says: No order found. I am curious if this glitch might have given me a free premium account or if I'll be billed a second time for it. Should find out in ten days or so.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2301231]In the glory years of the 80's and 90's tourism figures into don muang were only around 250,000 per annum now its 20 million so you see where they have become spoilt by too much money. In the crash of 97 I was getting over 90 bahts to the pound and st was 3-500 and even all night was a 1000 to bang them day and night. It was so good I used to see regular guys on the plane that were booking 3 plane seats for every 2 months visits. Yes scraping the barrel indeed,that's why many old timers are going elsewhere as its bad value now.
Up to 2013 my regular gals were 2000 a pop then they jacked up their rates to 5000 a pop overnight. So that led me to find other places. In the glory years it was all westerners now its tons of Russians Indians and Chinese.[/QUOTE]Just spot on. And the more that is paid, the worse the service gets.
In the glory years guys got hitched up with Thai women and as those guys died off the Thai women got London houses worth a million or more, but that avenue will close off due to all the money hungry short timers who will never really get to know the punters on GFE expeditions. So no juicy inheritance won't be coming their way any more.
[QUOTE=Kerrstar;2300031]It's not just that unemployment is low, it's also that salaries have increase a lot. I'm sure a lot of mongers here would remember 15 to 20 years ago when you could pick up a nice looking regular girl on a Friday night who was just out to make some extra money because she had run out before her next payday. They would only be out for a few night a month. They would be girls from banks, insurance companies, etc. Where the pay was quite low. These days they make enough to live on and send money home.[/QUOTE]Yes the nana disco at the nana hotel was packed with normal gals who wanted to earn some extra cash and they were all mostly hot lookers. I had mates who used to fly in from Hong Kong just for the weekend at the nana as the scene was so good. But unfortunately the management of the disco started bag checks and charging so they killed it off. The waitresses in the disco used to harass the drinkers to buy more drinks and [url=http://isgprohibitedwords.info?CodeWord=CodeWord140][CodeWord140][/url] guys off.
These women used to stay all night for a good session and brekkers and even come back later for another session.
All history now and silly high prices being asked.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2310978]In the glory years guys got hitched up with Thai women and as those guys died off the Thai women got London houses worth a million or more, but that avenue will close off due to all the money hungry short timers who will never really get to know the punters on GFE expeditions. So no juicy inheritance won't be coming their way any more.[/QUOTE]That is a 2 way street. Not many punters these days are traveling to the other side of the world to be tied down with 1 chick. I have tons of chicks that are not hookers and I don't have to give money to, yet I am not trying to settle down with one of them. And who are all these punters you claim are leaving millions of baht/dollars/pounds/euro to hookers?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2311076]That is a 2 way street. Not many punters these days are traveling to the other side of the world to be tied down with 1 chick. I have tons of chicks that are not hookers and I don't have to give money to, yet I am not trying to settle down with one of them. And who are all these punters you claim are leaving millions of baht/dollars/pounds/euro to hookers?[/QUOTE]They met up back in the glory days and built a Thai house or took them back home with them. Its all different now with the demise of the GFE market. They're more like hard hookers now in stead of easy going women who had a job in the day and did some work occasional to make ends meet. That's how different it has become now. That new punters can't appreciate.
I myself built a house in nong khai when I met this Thai women, it didn't cost much in 1997, and I gave it to my Thai daughter and her as I don't go there much now.
Cost was less than 10,000 pounds at the time.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2310984]Yes the nana disco at the nana hotel was packed with normal gals who wanted to earn some extra cash and they were all mostly hot lookers. I had mates who used to fly in from Hong Kong just for the weekend at the nana as the scene was so good. But unfortunately the management of the disco started bag checks and charging so they killed it off. The waitresses in the disco used to harass the drinkers to buy more drinks and guys off.
These women used to stay all night for a good session and brekkers and even come back later for another session.
All history now and silly high prices being asked.[/QUOTE]It was a very different time in almost every way. The only thing similar to today was you paid the gals. BKK was a much more free-wheeling city then, the atmosphere was relaxed, the vast majority of punters were from Europe or North America, and yes, like it or not this was a factor (Asian men and Western men have very different wants when it comes to P4 P, so nothing racist here, I'm just stating a fact), and almost all the gals were looking for a boyfriend and they were giving you that hard sales pitch every time they were with you. For the most part they were skinnier, sexier, and wanted to party and have a good time every night. Currently their is a photo exhibit at Smalls Bar on Suan Plu Road of gals from Qbar in the early 00's. Man, what a time. Just looking at those photos brings the difference into focus. Made me very nostalgic. The scene is simply a shadow of its former self. If you think spending hours on the internet is more fun and exciting then having countless clubs and other venues that were hopping till all hours and packed with gals, almost all of whom were on the game, then well, I just don't know what to tell you. BKK was vibrant at night, it came alive after dark; daytime was just something you had to get through before you got out there amongst it at night. From the soapies, GoGos, to the beer bars, yes, BKK had lots of beer bars in the late 90's early 00's, to the discos, to Thermae, to the street, you were just surrounded and engulfed by the "scene. " It was ever present and always a factor and around you. It was almost as if Sukhumvit Road was simply a setting for the "scene. " Do yourself a favor and get to Smalls in the next week or so to see the photo exhibit.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2311202]They met up back in the glory days and built a Thai house or took them back home with them. Its all different now with the demise of the GFE market. They're more like hard hookers now in stead of easy going women who had a job in the day and did some work occasional to make ends meet. That's how different it has become now. That new punters can't appreciate.
I myself built a house in nong khai when I met this Thai women, it didn't cost much in 1997, and I gave it to my Thai daughter and her as I don't go there much now.
Cost was less than 10,000 pounds at the time.[/QUOTE]I know so many guys who have been with their ex-P4P girlfriends and wives for nearing 20 years now. Yes, some did not work out but so many did. Now, the expectations are quite different.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2311202]They met up back in the glory days and built a Thai house or took them back home with them. Its all different now with the demise of the GFE market. They're more like hard hookers now in stead of easy going women who had a job in the day and did some work occasional to make ends meet. That's how different it has become now. That new punters can't appreciate.
I myself built a house in nong khai when I met this Thai women, it didn't cost much in 1997, and I gave it to my Thai daughter and her as I don't go there much now.
Cost was less than 10,000 pounds at the time.[/QUOTE]Maybe I am just not getting it. I don't see any freaking demise. I get tons of GFE from hookers and non-hookers alike. That does not mean I am trying to build somebody a damn house or have them move in with me!
You must be one of those hopeless romantic types. Maybe it is you, because none of my friends ever complain about not being able to get GFE. I would say maybe it is your age, but I have friends of all age groups that have no problem with this. Also, money can not buy you love. So what is with this trading a house for someone to like you? I have plenty of women treating me well without me having to buy them shit.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2311529]Maybe I am just not getting it. I don't see any freaking demise. I get tons of GFE from hookers and non-hookers alike. That does not mean I am trying to build somebody a damn house or have them move in with me!
You must be one of those hopeless romantic types. Maybe it is you, because none of my friends ever complain about not being able to get GFE. I would say maybe it is your age, but I have friends of all age groups that have no problem with this. Also, money can not buy you love. So what is with this trading a house for someone to like you? I have plenty of women treating me well without me having to buy them shit.[/QUOTE]You must be like buying a side of beef online like all the new punters now. Stickmans photos shows a miserable selection of pigs with tatts and braces so you must have low standards, if not show us some of your women which you claim, where's your proof.
As I said it was so good in the 80's and 90's guys wanted to have a house there to stay in which many did you must be too hard up to build a house where you want to live for some comfort. I own houses where I want to live as I enjoy them.
Attractive women don't need to do GFE nowadays as there plenty of high paying jobs in BKK. Plus living expenses and rents mean they need a reliable source of salary to live on. Bars find it hard to find staff except skanks and pigs of low horizons. And the places where FLs used to hang out to find a long term payer no longer exist. I had really lovely women stay with me in a hotel room for days and weeks with trips down to samui and Phuket as a couple and I paid them off at the airport when I left. This used to be common among tourists and pals of mine so you got to know the women well during their stays with you. They just used to go home to change clothes every evening then come back to the hotel or I used to buy them some new clothes that they wanted to wear.
Women in BKK have gotten too well off to do GFE. Except rough old women who can't find a good paying job in an office or even 7-11 or a shoe factory.
The grace and the nana disco and thermae 1 were the major places where guys used to find some very attractive women for long periods but they no longer exists as they used too in the 90's.
Prices on smoochi are indicative of what you will pay nowadays for short timers. All spoilt by guys paying them too much cash and many have a Thai pimp boyfriend living with them so they need more cash to pay him off as well.
The market has changed big time in BKK. All deterioration over recent years. So you may as well find some better places in my opinion. All this is well known if you have read stickmans blog over the years as he has it all covered since he started his blog and Bernard trink his predecessor covered the bar scene.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2311879]Attractive women don't need to do GFE nowadays as there plenty of high paying jobs in BKK.[/QUOTE]So since you are complaining it must mean you can not get a normal woman that is not a hooker? I thank the stars for attractive women that have good jobs, so I do not have to give them money! I have even been fucking hookers and once they got good jobs they said I no longer needed to give them money for fucking. But for you it means the demise of getting pussy. Sad, dude.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2311748]You must be like buying a side of beef online like all the new punters now. Stickmans photos shows a miserable selection of pigs with tatts and braces so you must have low standards, if not show us some of your women which you claim, where's your proof.[/QUOTE]What the fuck does Stickman have to do with me? I'm not about to show you pictures of chicks that I fuck for you to beat off to. I have nothing to prove to you. Why don't you show us some of your women which you claim you can not get GFE from.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2311879]Attractive women don't need to do GFE nowadays as there plenty of high paying jobs in BKK. Plus living expenses and rents mean they need a reliable source of salary to live on. Bars find it hard to find staff except skanks and pigs of low horizons. And the places where FLs used to hang out to find a long term payer no longer exist. I had really lovely women stay with me in a hotel room for days and weeks with trips down to samui and Phuket as a couple and I paid them off at the airport when I left. This used to be common among tourists and pals of mine so you got to know the women well during their stays with you. They just used to go home to change clothes every evening then come back to the hotel or I used to buy them some new clothes that they wanted to wear.
Women in BKK have gotten too well off to do GFE. Except rough old women who can't find a good paying job in an office or even 7-11 or a shoe factory.
The grace and the nana disco and thermae 1 were the major places where guys used to find some very attractive women for long periods but they no longer exists as they used too in the 90's.
Prices on smoochi are indicative of what you will pay nowadays for short timers. All spoilt by guys paying them too much cash and many have a Thai pimp boyfriend living with them so they need more cash to pay him off as well.
The market has changed big time in BKK. All deterioration over recent years. So you may as well find some better places in my opinion. All this is well known if you have read stickmans blog over the years as he has it all covered since he started his blog and Bernard trink his predecessor covered the bar scene.[/QUOTE]Agree with everything that you have said and will add, the number punters (namely Asian punters on holiday) has increased and the supply of gals has decreased. A good looking gal can call the shots and does not have to perform. The new mongers I see are not like the hardened demanding Western dudes that used to rule the scene. They are very naive guys who will pay what is asked without bargaining (just have a wander into some of the GoGos where they flash a sign in front of the dudes showing the price ST / LT fee + BF) and demand very little. They don't expect GFE or PSE from the provider. Some have very little experience with any nightlife of any kind as is seen in their behavior in clubs. Just head to some of the discos in Bangkok and on Walking Street for prime examples. Reminds me of my first middle school dance when I was 13 and the boys hung out in groups and just stared sheepishly at the gals. Syz made such a great point a couple of weeks ago. In the 80's, 90's, and early 00's, customers were almost exclusively Western with a few Japanese thrown in and for the most part the Japanese scene was separate (Soi Thaniya and a few select GoGos). Gals were more open, less "dick scared," and wanted to party and have fun because that is what the Western dudes wanted. A gal who is a bit wild and not in the least demure. With the decline in numbers of the Western punter and the rise in numbers of the Asian punter the culture of these haunts has changed as has the gals.
An average GoGo gal can make well over 50 k a month without even putting forth much effort. 100 k a month is not so hard to reach. That's a huge amount of money for a local. And if you want to look at what the top gals at Baccara are making, it'd flush you red. So we are left with the bottom of the barrel if we want either. Better job opportunities outside the P4 P realm, more punters who are less demanding, it's all added up to make a pretty dismal scene. And I don't think it will change.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2311921]So since you are complaining it must mean you can not get a normal woman that is not a hooker? I thank the stars for attractive women that have good jobs, so I do not have to give them money! I have even been fucking hookers and once they got good jobs they said I no longer needed to give them money for fucking. But for you it means the demise of getting pussy. Sad, dude.
What the fuck does Stickman have to do with me? I'm not about to show you pictures of chicks that I fuck for you to beat off to. I have nothing to prove to you. Why don't you show us some of your women which you claim you can not get GFE from.[/QUOTE]Now, we must be attractive to have a good job? Their job will never be as well paid as their job as a hooker unless they have a job as a businesswoman, medical professional, lawyer, politician.
They talk about attractive women, but they are really attractive for everybody? The same happens to Brazil, dudes always talk about Rio in the past, they alway say girls were more attractive. Nothing changed in Brazil when it comes to attraction but only those dudes changed. When you start mongering for the first time, you will always think about when you mongered for the first time because you was young and start having sex with girls or because you were married for a long time and just started enjoying your life because you never experienced it.
[QUOTE=Berrys66;2311748]show us some of your women which you claim, where's your proof.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2311921]I'm not about to show you pictures of chicks that I fuck for you to beat off to.[/QUOTE]Whenever I read any report on girls that does not include photos, I just consider the girls to likely be dogs and disregard the report. Without photos, it didn't happen.
[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2312034]Now, we must be attractive to have a good job? Their job will never be as well paid as their job as a hooker unless they have a job as a businesswoman, medical professional, lawyer, politician.
They talk about attractive women, but they are really attractive for everybody? The same happens to Brazil, dudes always talk about Rio in the past, they alway say girls were more attractive. Nothing changed in Brazil when it comes to attraction but only those dudes changed. When you start mongering for the first time, you will always think about when you mongered for the first time because you was young and start having sex with girls or because you were married for a long time and just started enjoying your life because you never experienced it.[/QUOTE]Not really. Re Brazil.
For e. G. In Brazil, in Rio there was Help. You can easily divide Rio into the "Help" period / phase and the post Help phase. I also agree nothing in Thailand has come close to matching the old Thermae late at night vibe.
I remember guys in Indonesia talking about the Tanamur Disco in Jakarta. Looks like the old little street of bars in South Jakarta is now also dead. the Stadium is gone. Red Square is gone. I have heard of no place coming anywhere close to the vibe and the opportunity in those locales of old. Cuba of mid to late 90's was mind blowing and that will never ever return either.
I suppose it's a mix of good and bad. I agree social media brings increased opportunities in many ways. But a big part of me also greatly misses the good old days in such places, which will never return.
What most people fail to realize is that the "long term trend" for this "hobby" is a fairly steep descent. (for both economic and social / societal and even political reasons).
[QUOTE=Catire;2312122]Not really. Re Brazil.
For e. G. In Brazil, in Rio there was Help. You can easily divide Rio into the "Help" period / phase and the post Help phase. I also agree nothing in Thailand has come close to matching the old Thermae late at night vibe.
I remember guys in Indonesia talking about the Tanamur Disco in Jakarta. Looks like the old little street of bars in South Jakarta is now also dead. the Stadium is gone. Red Square is gone. I have heard of no place coming anywhere close to the vibe and the opportunity in those locales of old. Cuba of mid to late 90's was mind blowing and that will never ever return either.
I suppose it's a mix of good and bad. I agree social media brings increased opportunities in many ways. But a big part of me also greatly misses the good old days in such places, which will never return.
What most people fail to realize is that the "long term trend" for this "hobby" is a fairly steep descent. (for both economic and social / societal and even political reasons).[/QUOTE]Could not agree more. The decline has been fast and steep. Last 5 years has seen venues disappear and attitudes change. Can't think of a single place in Asia that is as good or better than it was 20 years ago, for all the reasons you stated in your last sentence. Stadium was just unreal. Also the old Martini's and Sharky's in Nom Penh. Good times they were.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2312149]Could not agree more. The decline has been fast and steep. Last 5 years has seen venues disappear and attitudes change. Can't think of a single place in Asia that is as good or better than it was 20 years ago, for all the reasons you stated in your last sentence. Stadium was just unreal. Also the old Martini's and Sharky's in Nom Penh. Good times they were.[/QUOTE]I liked Tanamur better than Stadium, but both rocked. No other discos anywhere in Asia compare to those two. I think Tanamur was voted best night spot in Asia for over 10 years in a row.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312090]Whenever I read any report on girls that does not include photos, I just consider the girls to likely be dogs and disregard the report. Without photos, it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]That is ridiculous thinking. Berry is saying he can not get GFE. You are saying that because he did not post pics, then it means he actually can get GFE?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312090]Whenever I read any report on girls that does not include photos, I just consider the girls to likely be dogs and disregard the report. Without photos, it didn't happen.[/QUOTE]Why do you even bother reading this board then? If we follow your logic all that everyone here writes is make believe.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2312191]Why do you even bother reading this board then? If we follow your logic all that everyone here writes is make believe.[/QUOTE]I wouldn't say that everything is make believe. There is some factual information given about places and events. However, I never trust anyone saying they were with a hottie if they do not provide photos. One man's 10 is another man's 2.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2312168]That is ridiculous thinking. Berry is saying he can not get GFE. You are saying that because he did not post pics, then it means he actually can get GFE?[/QUOTE]Naw, I'm not saying anything about Berry. I am saying you claiming that you do get GFE is meaningless as far as I can see because you aren't posting photos. Anyone can get GFE from a girl who most guys consider to be less desirable. I don't consider that something to be intriguing. If you claim the chicks are decent or even hot, that may be your view of reality, but it may or may not be reality for the rest of us.
However, if a photo accompanied the claim, then we can all come to our own conclusion based on our own perception of reality, beauty, and desirability.
I can understand people not wanting to post photos. That's fine, and of course you don't have to try to impress anyone with your photos or even stories of your prowess and conquests. I really don't care one way or the other. I have no idea if your girls are great catches or girls most guys wouldn't walk across the street for a freebie. However, I do feel it prudent to assume the girls to be dogs whenever I read any story that specifies any girl but does not include a photo. I think it's only common sense. Too many times guys on here have claimed they were with a 9, then when I find out which girl it really was, she was a 4 in my eyes. If someone is getting GFE from a 9, that's awesome. If she's a 4, that swings the pendulum 180 degrees. And of course, all of us guys have different tastes. A photo can work wonders.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312341]However, I never trust anyone saying they were with a hottie if they do not provide photos. One man's 10 is another man's 2.[/QUOTE]I'd agree with your comment on different ratings. However, this makes the inclusion of photos as justification all the more pointless.
If someone shows his #10 who is statuesque, buxom and curvaceous, some will likely complain that she is too big.
If someone posts another who is tall, lythe with a dancer's ass, others will complain that she is titless and skinny.
Who is right?
Cheers. G.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2312357]I'd agree with your comment on different ratings. However, this makes the inclusion of photos as justification all the more pointless.
If someone shows his #10 who is statuesque, buxom and curvaceous, some will likely complain that she is too big.
If someone posts another who is tall, lythe with a dancer's ass, others will complain that she is titless and skinny.
Who is right?
Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]I only care about my own rating. But the photos definitely allow perspective.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312360]I only care about my own rating. But the photos definitely allow perspective.[/QUOTE]Yep Real photos and clear are worth more than the ratings. Need several guys to rate a girl as top, to get any felling of the possibility she might be good, and I like to see the ratings of certain guys who taste is very similar to my own. Pics are more of a means of ruling girls out, for me, rather than anything that positive.
Fake pics only lead to disappointment.
So I know Smoothy taste is not that similar to mine. However at Least I know Smoothy likes raunchy, I like slim and pretty, less raunchy. I don't take other guys recommended girls in general. Never got a girl to keep repeating from a recommendation at all, that I can recall. We just have to know when our personal taste is different. Had to find all my girls for myself.
I find venue recommendations more useful, as a place to check out and see if anyone appeals.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2312357]I'd agree with your comment on different ratings. However, this makes the inclusion of photos as justification all the more pointless.
If someone shows his #10 who is statuesque, buxom and curvaceous, some will likely complain that she is too big.
If someone posts another who is tall, lythe with a dancer's ass, others will complain that she is titless and skinny.
Who is right?
Cheers. G.[/QUOTE]Agree. On top of which, since when do photos tell us which girls we would fuck or not given the opportunity unless the photos show extreme conditions we are certain are not for us? The vast majority in the middle can go either way depending on the circumstances.
"does not look like the photos" might be the most oft repeated refrain on these forums where public photos are accessible.
Photos can mislead as easily if not more easily as to inform. I am sure every one of us could post photos of girls where the angle, the lighting, the year taken and so on would for all the world look like a solid 8 or 9 where in person even the guy proudly posting the photo would probably take a pass on fucking her for free.
And by the same token, I'll bet we have all shown a photo of a girl to a friend that elicted near outright laughter but when that same asshole critic meets the girl in person he suddenly turns unto a stalker trying to get any information about her he can in order to contact her when you are not around.
95% of the time the only thing that matters is how the girl looks and comes across in person. Possibly, full body video clips taken in a very well lit setting yesterday might be more helpul. But even that won't be the way she will come across in person.
[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2312034] The same happens to Brazil, dudes always talk about Rio in the past, they alway say girls were more attractive. Nothing changed in Brazil when it comes to attraction but only those dudes changed. When you start mongering for the first time, you will always think about when you mongered for the first time because you was young and start having sex with girls or because you were married for a long time and just started enjoying your life because you never experienced it.[/QUOTE]Speaking generally you're probably right, but as far as I'm concerned I'm 100% sure that the quality of girls (by their look) in Pattaya for example has declined a lot.
My first trip there was in 1997 and I don't even remember seeing a lot of stunners, but there was a lot of slim girls looking quite cute. Then I had a long break when I couldn't go back there from 2000 until 2009. From 2009 to 2012 I could still spot many cuties in many places of the town, from 2012 until 2015 most of the girls were of very bad quality while prices went up dramatically. It's not only the way that we see them that changed, but also the place attracts a lot more girls that are not good looking at all while the cute ones are being outnumbered by far.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312162]I liked Tanamur better than Stadium, but both rocked. No other discos anywhere in Asia compare to those two. I think Tanamur was voted best night spot in Asia for over 10 years in a row.[/QUOTE]They were in a league of their own. Never seen people partying harder than in discos in Indo back in the day. Truly amazing. The world is far more conservative than it was 20 years ago. I think late Boomers and early Gen X'rs are the most libertine folks on the planet. The Mils are very uptight with so many different things. Their attitudes about gender and sex have spayed and neutered them.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312352]Naw, I'm not saying anything about Berry. I am saying you claiming that you do get GFE is meaningless as far as I can see because you aren't posting photos. Anyone can get GFE from a girl who most guys consider to be less desirable. I don't consider that something to be intriguing. If you claim the chicks are decent or even hot, that may be your view of reality, but it may or may not be reality for the rest of us.[/QUOTE]Why would anyone go out looking for a chick that is going to be desirable to Smoothy? By that same token what Berry is saying is also meaningless because we do not know if the chicks he claimed he used to get GFE from were hotties because he posted no pictures. Maybe those chicks were dogs, and fast forward to today, not even the dogs will touch him with a 10 foot pole, so now he complains.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2312428]They were in a league of their own. Never seen people partying harder than in discos in Indo back in the day. Truly amazing. The world is far more conservative than it was 20 years ago. I think late Boomers and early Gen X'rs are the most libertine folks on the planet. The Mils are very uptight with so many different things. Their attitudes about gender and sex have spayed and neutered them.[/QUOTE]The millenials in developing countries have not been spayed and neutered by these concepts spread around in Anglophone university sphere.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2312149]Could not agree more. The decline has been fast and steep. Last 5 years has seen venues disappear and attitudes change. Can't think of a single place in Asia that is as good or better than it was 20 years ago, for all the reasons you stated in your last sentence. Stadium was just unreal. Also the old Martini's and Sharky's in Nom Penh. Good times they were.[/QUOTE]You should have been in Russia in the 90's. Insane. The Hungry Duck. Ror those who were ever there, nothing in this world will ever compare.
[QUOTE=Catire;2312458]The millenials in developing countries have not been spayed and neutered by these concepts spread around in Anglophone university sphere.[/QUOTE]Less so, but it is happening in developing countries as well. And that trend will continue.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2312371]So I know Smoothy taste is not that similar to mine. However at Least I know Smoothy likes raunchy, I like slim and pretty, less raunchy. [/QUOTE]I do like raunchy at times! But I'm not sure you can generalize that I only like raunchy based on that one photo I posted of Ice (the wild looking tattoed and pierced girl from Crazy House). You probably forget because she wasn't as memorable as Ice, but I also posted this photo of the girl in the pink dress who you said you did like. Both girls were from Crazy House, and I liked them both, but they were quite different.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312512]I do like raunchy at times! But I'm not sure you can generalize that I only like raunchy based on that one photo I posted of Ice (the wild looking tattoed and pierced girl from Crazy House). You probably forget because she wasn't as memorable as Ice, but I also posted this photo of the girl in the pink dress who you said you did like. Both girls were from Crazy House, and I liked them both, but they were quite different.[/QUOTE]I like tattoo girls with pierced pussies but it's a pity the girl doesn't look Asian. She looks Indian. Are there many Asian looking girls with pierced pussies and tattoos?
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2312463]You should have been in Russia in the 90's. Insane. The Hungry Duck. Ror those who were ever there, nothing in this world will ever compare.[/QUOTE]Would have loved to have done Eastern Europe and Russia in the early 90's. Hot Czech gals for 10 USD. What an amazing time that must have been.
[QUOTE=Catire;2312458]The millenials in developing countries have not been spayed and neutered by these concepts spread around in Anglophone university sphere.[/QUOTE]Actually what has happened in Asia is just as bad. Gals in Asia have become much more conservative in the last decade. See a lot of braless gals? Short shorts? Number of belly shirts in decline? Most gals are dressing as frumpy as can be. They strive to be "pretty" but in a very asexual and non-seductive manner. I see this with almost all Asian gals, although you do see some pretty slutty Chinese chicks now and then. Even the mode of dress in Pattaya has become tame. 15 years ago you would see gals showing a lot more skin. The "good girl" image is way more in force. Everyone wants to be Hi-so and to be seen as "classy. " Sexy and seductive is beneath them and reserved for the "poor people. ".
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2312718]Would have loved to have done Eastern Europe and Russia in the early 90's. Hot Czech gals for 10 USD. What an amazing time that must have been.[/QUOTE]Luanda Angola may be a good option currently. Their currency has fallen and the girls there are hot, wild, partiers. They have black girls with a Portuguese mix and the Brazilian culture. By far the best looking girls in Africa if you ask me. I had wild times at places like Stadium and Tanamur in Jakarta, but I had some similar wild times at the night spots in Angola. They do like to party.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2312720]Actually what has happened in Asia is just as bad. Gals in Asia have become much more conservative in the last decade. See a lot of braless gals? Short shorts? Number of belly shirts in decline? Most gals are dressing as frumpy as can be. [/QUOTE]
Non-PFP girls dressing more conservative is not a good trend, but it doesn't bother me too much. After investing the requisite effort (sometimes considerable), one will be naked in the bedroom anyway. The amount of effort is going up, partly because just being a Farang is not much of an immediate status boost as in the old times, but that's a different topic.
What bothers me far more is that hookers and borderline girls are much fewer in numbers. Worse yet, out of the few that remain, most have so unmistakably bottom-of-the-barrel, piece-of-trash hooker-looks with fake thick eyebrows, extensive tattos, awful nosejobs and worse boobjobs. While some punters might find it sexy, rauchy and appealing, to me it gives out an impression of trash that I not only wouldn't fuck, but feel bad being around. Case in point, Smoothy's first picture a few posts ago (no offense to Smoothy, I understand sexual attraction works in mysterious ways).
Gone are the times when a huge number of working girls I came across in Thailand were rather normal, cute, pleasant women, to the point that you could easily be surprised and delighted they were actually on the game and available for 1000 baht. They were so nice you could easily imagine spending a few pleasant hours / days / months in their company or even marrying one as some Farang did. Back then (not so long ago, just 5-10 years or so), even short times were 2-shot leisurely affairs for me. These days, even if I find someone somewhat sexy, I wouldn't want to stick around after the first pop, let alone negotiate and pay for two.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2312720]Actually what has happened in Asia is just as bad. Gals in Asia have become much more conservative in the last decade. See a lot of braless gals? Short shorts? Number of belly shirts in decline? Most gals are dressing as frumpy as can be. They strive to be "pretty" but in a very asexual and non-seductive manner. I see this with almost all Asian gals, although you do see some pretty slutty Chinese chicks now and then. Even the mode of dress in Pattaya has become tame. 15 years ago you would see gals showing a lot more skin. The "good girl" image is way more in force. Everyone wants to be Hi-so and to be seen as "classy. " Sexy and seductive is beneath them and reserved for the "poor people. ".[/QUOTE]I heard / read that this was due to pressure from the Thaksin govt. They put the clamps on old Thai "sluttiness".
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2312914]Case in point, Smoothy's first picture a few posts ago (no offense to Smoothy, I understand sexual attraction works in mysterious ways).[/QUOTE]No problem. I didn't marry her. She's so unique looking, I had to fuck her. I also fucked a midget I pulled from Kiss bar soi cowboy once. She had a beautiful face and great upper torso, but those stumpy legs were a real turn off in bed so I won't do that again. I can't say I regret giving it a try though!
[QUOTE=Catire;2312968]I heard / read that this was due to pressure from the Thaksin govt. They put the clamps on old Thai "sluttiness".[/QUOTE]The funny thing is that when studying Thai history I learned that the women were damn near naked before the farang showed up and made them cover themselves. I wish you farang would make up your got damn minds. Do you want them covered or naked?
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2312982]The funny thing is that when studying Thai history I learned that the women were damn near naked before the farang showed up and made them cover themselves. I wish you farang would make up your got damn minds. Do you want them covered or naked?[/QUOTE]I want them with sexy lingerie on.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2312982]The funny thing is that when studying Thai history I learned that the women were damn near naked before the farang showed up and made them cover themselves. I wish you farang would make up your got damn minds. Do you want them covered or naked?[/QUOTE]LOL no I'm serious. I read or heard somewhere that before Thaksin came to power the social climate in Thailand was different. Girls were super mini skirts, etc.
And then the social mores (pushed by the government) changed.
[QUOTE=Catire;2313069]LOL no I'm serious. I read or heard somewhere that before Thaksin came to power the social climate in Thailand was different. Girls were super mini skirts, etc.
And then the social mores (pushed by the government) changed.[/QUOTE]I was serious too. The Thais used to walk around the same as you see the Africans and Native Amazons in the National Geographic pictures.
"Historically, both Thai males and females dressed themselves with a loincloth wrap called chong kraben. Men wore their chong kraben to cover the waist to halfway down the thigh, while women covered the waist to well below the knee. [b]Bare chests and bare feet were accepted as part of the Thai formal dress code, and are observed in murals, illustrated manuscripts, and early photographs up to the middle1800's.[/b]
On 15 January 1941, Plaek Pibulsonggram issued a Thai cultural mandate to modernize and Westernize Thai dress, by deeming the long-practiced customs of wearing underpants, wearing no shirt, or wearing a wraparound cloth, as forms of inappropriate public attire. ".
[QUOTE=Catire;2313069]LOL no I'm serious. I read or heard somewhere that before Thaksin came to power the social climate in Thailand was different. Girls were super mini skirts, etc.
And then the social mores (pushed by the government) changed.[/QUOTE]I seem to even remember mid 2000's the government decreed that even the university outfits on the girls were getting a little too tailored and revealing. Those were the good old days on the sky train LOL.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2311940]Agree with everything that you have said and will add, the number punters (namely Asian punters on holiday) has increased and the supply of gals has decreased. A good looking gal can call the shots and does not have to perform. The new mongers I see are not like the hardened demanding Western dudes that used to rule the scene. They are very naive guys who will pay what is asked without bargaining (just have a wander into some of the GoGos where they flash a sign in front of the dudes showing the price ST / LT fee + BF) and demand very little. They don't expect GFE or PSE from the provider. Some have very little experience with any nightlife of any kind as is seen in their behavior in clubs. [/QUOTE]I have nothing against anyone or any race for that matter. However, I want to make an observation and invite some thoughts.
If you look at the FB page of Sapphire in Pattaya, which is acknowledged by almost everyone as a tourist trap, all you will see in their pics are white dudes getting shit-faced. So is it fair to say that the girls there who have golden pussies and princess attitudes have been spoiled rotten by the same western mongers?
The fact is the world has changed. Some folks have more disposable income than others and they choose to blow it the way they want. Some of us here don't seem to have that luxury or that will. Why complain about those who can afford it and won't flinch dropping 10 K baht a night?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2313146]I have nothing against anyone or any race for that matter. However, I want to make an observation and invite some thoughts.
If you look at the FB page of Sapphire in Pattaya, which is acknowledged by almost everyone as a tourist trap, all you will see in their pics are white dudes getting shit-faced. So is it fair to say that the girls there who have golden pussies and princess attitudes have been spoiled rotten by the same western mongers?
The fact is the world has changed. Some folks have more disposable income than others and they choose to blow it the way they want. Some of us here don't seem to have that luxury or that will. Why complain about those who can afford it and won't flinch dropping 10 K baht a night?[/QUOTE]I don't flinch at all. If she meets my style, Ill pay the 10 K and work hard at making it a longer than 30 second experience.
I don't get involved in the negotiation gig and rarely stick my tongue in the honey pot. I'm too busy. And I don't care what others do.
Anyway, how would I find a girl from ASM?
[QUOTE=Blanquiceleste;2313146]I have nothing against anyone or any race for that matter. However, I want to make an observation and invite some thoughts.
If you look at the FB page of Sapphire in Pattaya, which is acknowledged by almost everyone as a tourist trap, all you will see in their pics are white dudes getting shit-faced. So is it fair to say that the girls there who have golden pussies and princess attitudes have been spoiled rotten by the same western mongers?
The fact is the world has changed. Some folks have more disposable income than others and they choose to blow it the way they want. Some of us here don't seem to have that luxury or that will. Why complain about those who can afford it and won't flinch dropping 10 K baht a night?[/QUOTE]Why? Simple. As the prices have gone up, the service and quality has gone down. And yes, western punters tend to be more demanding as to what they want and expect from P4P gals.
[QUOTE=Catire;2312968]I heard / read that this was due to pressure from the Thaksin govt. They put the clamps on old Thai "sluttiness".[/QUOTE]I have been here on and off since 1991 well before Thaksin. With Thaksin came a crack down on what goes on behind closed doors. Not really out in public. The crack down was for girls too young, and all the Thai Yai girls from Myanmar in the Soapy MPs, etc. Also making places close earlier instead of adult stuff ranging on till 4 am. Crack down of forcing girls to have medical exam certificates, trying to reduce STDs perhaps. I think they have reduced. I never caught anything recently.
In 1991, Thais were very demure in public, but could be very slutty hidden away. The exception would be Pattaya, where I am no expert, having only visited there twice and both times briefly. I was always told that anything goes in Pattaya where it definitely does not in public in Bangkok.
Girls on the street today in Bangkok dress far more sexy than when I first came to Thailand. Even 10 years ago, I would say the dress was still a lot more conservative. In the modern day, have girls wearing very tight leotards to show off the exact shape of their legs, ass, and maybe even camel toe pussy. Never saw that in my early days here. Girls did not want to appear to be hookers, if they were not. Thai girls were very reluctant to hold hands with a farang, and you could not kiss in public even on the cheek.
Example of slutty in 1991, hidden away in the "dirty" bars, would be going upstairs to Patpong Rose bar, and seeing a girl sitting naked with legs spread so male customer could do the full deep pussy exam with fingers stuffed in there. Or upstairs in the Kangeroo bar girls would get your pants down quickly and we would get their pants down quickly too. Multiple girls per male customer. Many wore shorts with no knickers underneath. Live sex shows were plentiful, sometimes including volunteer customers at Kangaroo bar I think. Just about anything goes. BJs and DATY in the bars, not uncommon. I would say overall their is less raunchy behaviour in bars now, other than we now have some bars with girls dancing nude and fully shaved pussy, but girls are much more sexy in public, than years ago. Influenced heavily by Korean sexy videos I think.
On a tangent:
So many Thais have visited Korea and failed to come home, that there is now starting to be a crack down. For all the Thais currently in south Korea, I don't know what percentage are working as hookers, and how many restaurants, etc. But probably mostly illegal workers.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2313734]So many Thais have visited Korea and failed to come home, that there is now starting to be a crack down. For all the Thais currently in south Korea, I don't know what percentage are working as hookers, and how many restaurants, etc. But probably mostly illegal workers.[/QUOTE]I know a few gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313741]I know a few top looking gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.[/QUOTE]Yes you are more likely to meet these types of girls that appeal more to Koreans I guess. I simply heard that around the local Thai village, quite a number of the Issan people living there are now in South Korea. I did not dare ask what percentage were young girls. The info was most had been there for significant time and probably over stayed or were not really tourists. Definitely working for money was the intention.
It used to be possible for Thais to travel to Korea pretending to be tourists I think, as part of AEC (Asia Economic Community). They may have had to have Guarantors, I don't know. If intending to work in restaurants, guarantors might be available. Same for hookers. However now that some days, hundreds of Thais were arriving in Korea on a particular day, they are starting to not allow them in mostly, was the story I heard.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313741]I know a few gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.[/QUOTE]I've heard of similar stories in the Philippines. One girl said the money was fantastic but she needed the help of a regular foreign customer to basically escape their clutches.
Cheers. G.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2313745]I simply heard that around the local Thai village, quite a number of the Issan people living there are now in South Korea. I did not dare ask what percentage were young girls. The info was most had been there for significant time and probably over stayed or were not really tourists. Definitely working for money was the intention.[/QUOTE]This information is correct from what you have heard from the villagers. Many Issan people are working in South Korea. The large factories regularly employ many people to assemble motor parts, smartphone hardware and farmers to work in agriculture and of course girls and katoeys to work in cough cough. Massage. I have personally met and spoke with these people. Some of the massage girls are making 50,000 THB per month for what they say is easy work. The factory and farm hands considerably less however better than the 300 THB per day they get around here.
One beauty brought her sponsor from Korea to look around the village and meet her family. He didn't get out of the van.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313741]I know a few gogo girls who went to Korea with their Sponsors. Most have not returned but some have after the money dried up. Also know some who went to jail for a year in Korea for working in sex shops.[/QUOTE]I knew quite a few Indonesian girls who went to Japan for a few years back in the early 2000's. When they came back, they raved about the great money they made in Japan and wanted to go back there as soon as possible.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2313734]I have been here on and off since 1991 well before Thaksin. With Thaksin came a crack down on what goes on behind closed doors. Not really out in public. The crack down was for girls too young, and all the Thai Yai girls from Myanmar in the Soapy MPs, etc. Also making places close earlier instead of adult stuff ranging on till 4 am. Crack down of forcing girls to have medical exam certificates, trying to reduce STDs perhaps. I think they have reduced. I never caught anything recently.
In 1991, Thais were very demure in public, but could be very slutty hidden away. The exception would be Pattaya, where I am no expert, having only visited there twice and both times briefly. I was always told that anything goes in Pattaya where it definitely does not in public in Bangkok.
Girls on the street today in Bangkok dress far more sexy than when I first came to Thailand. Even 10 years ago, I would say the dress was still a lot more conservative. In the modern day, have girls wearing very tight leotards to show off the exact shape of their legs, ass, and maybe even camel toe pussy. Never saw that in my early days here. Girls did not want to appear to be hookers, if they were not. Thai girls were very reluctant to hold hands with a farang, and you could not kiss in public even on the cheek..[/QUOTE]I'd say that 10 years ago the dress was far sexier than it is today.
[QUOTE=Bouvis;2313756]One beauty brought her sponsor from Korea to look around the village and meet her family. He didn't get out of the van.[/QUOTE]Too funny. Can't say I can blame him.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2312902]Luanda Angola may be a good option currently. Their currency has fallen and the girls there are hot, wild, partiers. They have black girls with a Portuguese mix and the Brazilian culture. By far the best looking girls in Africa if you ask me. I had wild times at places like Stadium and Tanamur in Jakarta, but I had some similar wild times at the night spots in Angola. They do like to party.[/QUOTE]Just not into black girls.
[QUOTE=Crocodilexp;2312914]Non-PFP girls dressing more conservative is not a good trend, but it doesn't bother me too much. After investing the requisite effort (sometimes considerable), one will be naked in the bedroom anyway. The amount of effort is going up, partly because just being a Farang is not much of an immediate status boost as in the old times, but that's a different topic.
What bothers me far more is that hookers and borderline girls are much fewer in numbers. Worse yet, out of the few that remain, most have so unmistakably bottom-of-the-barrel, piece-of-trash hooker-looks with fake thick eyebrows, extensive tattos, awful nosejobs and worse boobjobs. While some punters might find it sexy, rauchy and appealing, to me it gives out an impression of trash that I not only wouldn't fuck, but feel bad being around. Case in point, Smoothy's first picture a few posts ago (no offense to Smoothy, I understand sexual attraction works in mysterious ways).
Gone are the times when a huge number of working girls I came across in Thailand were rather normal, cute, pleasant women, to the point that you could easily be surprised and delighted they were actually on the game and available for 1000 baht. They were so nice you could easily imagine spending a few pleasant hours / days / months in their company or even marrying one as some Farang did. Back then (not so long ago, just 5-10 years or so), even short times were 2-shot leisurely affairs for me. These days, even if I find someone somewhat sexy, I wouldn't want to stick around after the first pop, let alone negotiate and pay for two.[/QUOTE]Concur. It's getting to the point where it is almost not even worth it for me anymore. I only partake about once a month. And even then the majority of the time I think, I could have jerked off and saved the money. I really don't like choosing between old uglies who perform and young lookers who don't and expect you to pay dearly for it. Neither has become the best option most of the time.
[QUOTE=BananaBoi;2313936]Too funny. Can't say I can blame him.[/QUOTE]Yes LMAO. He just sat there peeping out the window. Another arrival I witnessed here was during Songkran when a girl brought her Japanese sponsor to experience the friendly locals. He at least got out and walked around a bit. I said greetings to him but he didn't appear to want to chat. It's not that bad here in the sticks in Isan, a little "National geographic" but you can work with it.
[QUOTE=Bouvis;2313756]This information is correct from what you have heard from the villagers. Many Issan people are working in South Korea. The large factories regularly employ many people to assemble motor parts, smartphone hardware and farmers to work in agriculture and of course girls and katoeys to work in cough cough. Massage. I have personally met and spoke with these people. Some of the massage girls are making 50,000 THB per month for what they say is easy work. The factory and farm hands considerably less however better than the 300 THB per day they get around here.
One beauty brought her sponsor from Korea to look around the village and meet her family. He didn't get out of the van.[/QUOTE]Very Interesting.
Funny about taking the sponsor to the village. My Thai GF was never keen to have me visit the area of Bangkok where she used to live, fearing gossip, before she was really sure we were a permanent thing. So while I met her brother and daughter, was several years before meeting the village relatives, and there had never been any Farangs there in that village (nor Koreans I guess). So I am the only Farang there. The whole Amphoe does have some other Farangs, but I never met them.
Don't need any any local "Bros" at all, and have very few Farang buddies / acquaintences in Bangkok as well. I am just not a very social animal, I guess, but have significantly more female regular contacts than guys, especially if omit work contacts.
One monger buddy OS suddenly dropped me from contact, as he seemingly decided to drop monger buddies as being a bad influence, ha ha. Yet he was a much more wayward prolific big spending monger than me. No idea if he has been successful in cutting his mongering budget, or giving it up completely. I had cut back a lot before he did. He was a very stressed guy, so over eating and mongering were his releases. At first I was concerned he might have died from heart attack, however hope he is doing well now.
Hopefully most guys mongering here in Thailand are relatively stress free.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313834]I'd say that 10 years ago the dress was far sexier than it is today.[/QUOTE]How is that? More bare legs years ago rather than very tight spandex now? Not sure I can see the more conservative dress now. I see very tight stuff now showing exactly what the great ass is like.
Right now I do see many girls dressed very demurely and others dressed hot a bit like hookers. Not sure if all the girls dressed like hookers actually are hookers or not, but I assume so if any ass cheek is hanging out of short cut off shorts, as that is just a bit too sexy for the BTS travel. I don't think we saw that 10 years ago, but maybe my memory is bad.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314078]Very Interesting.
Funny about taking the sponsor to the village. My Thai GF was never keen to have me visit the area of Bangkok where she used to live, fearing gossip, before she was really sure we were a permanent thing. So while I met her brother and daughter, was several years before meeting the village relatives, and there had never been any Farangs there in that village (nor Koreans I guess). So I am the only Farang there. The whole Amphoe does have some other Farangs, but I never met them.
Don't need any any local "Bros" at all, and have very few Farang buddies / acquaintences in Bangkok as well. I am just not a very social animal, I guess, but have significantly more female regular contacts than guys, especially if omit work contacts.
One monger buddy OS suddenly dropped me from contact, as he seemingly decided to drop monger buddies as being a bad influence, ha ha. Yet he was a much more wayward prolific big spending monger than me. No idea if he has been successful in cutting his mongering budget, or giving it up completely. I had cut back a lot before he did. He was a very stressed guy, so over eating and mongering were his releases. At first I was concerned he might have died from heart attack, however hope he is doing well now.
Hopefully most guys mongering here in Thailand are relatively stress free.[/QUOTE]My GF is also not high on me meeting her family. Though, few days back, when she had couple of extra glasses of gin and tonic, she asked if I want to meet her parent (she was going to meet them next day). I didn't explicitly said no, but showed some hesitation, she got the hint and blurted that "she was kidding".
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314083]How is that? More bare legs years ago rather than very tight spandex now? Not sure I can see the more conservative dress now. I see very tight stuff now showing exactly what the great ass is like.
Right now I do see many girls dressed very demurely and others dressed hot a bit like hookers. Not sure if all the girls dressed like hookers actually are hookers or not, but I assume so if any ass cheek is hanging out of short cut off shorts, as that is just a bit too sexy for the BTS travel. I don't think we saw that 10 years ago, but maybe my memory is bad.[/QUOTE]Oh man, gone are the days of short tight university uniforms, gone for the most part are the days of the belly shirt, gone are the days of short shorts with a little butt teasing. Asian gals for the most part are dressing rather frumpy.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2314107]Oh man, gone are the days of short tight university uniforms, gone for the most part are the days of the belly shirt, gone are the days of short shorts with a little butt teasing. Asian gals for the most part are dressing rather frumpy.[/QUOTE]I guess I have not been mixing with Uni girls over these years (a bit old to be going for Uni girls unless they are part time hookers). Okay Was one Accountancy student studying outside Bangkok, who worked at Crazy House on some weekends to get funds needed to finance the studies so definitely could not work full time, so was seeing her arrive in plain clothes then totally nude on stage, definitely not in her school uniform. Very pretty and all natural slim, so took her no more than 10 to 20 minutes to get a customer, no problems. I think she rarely danced a full rotation on stage before being called off. I have seen a some Soapy girl hookers in their school uniforms many years ago. They were very conservative outfits, at least knee length skirts.
I have seen some short shorts with butt teasing in just this last year or two, but probably were hookers on their way to work. I was quite shocked to see it. I still am surprised by the tight hugging gym outfits these days being worn on the street leaving nothing much to the imagination. So short shorts and mini skirts are less sexy to me. I don't have the psychology to be thinking of trying to see up short skirts to see the knickers like Japanese guys. Hence I like girls to be dancing just fully nude. In bars, skirts with no knickers underneath seems very silly to me.
Not sure if their is still a lot of that, or very limited now.
I am hating the double layer bras of Coyotes, because can't see what the tits are like at all.
[QUOTE=Goatscrot;2313972]Just not into black girls.[/QUOTE]If you are from the USA, that's understandable. I don't like most black girls in the USA because too many are ill mannered, entitled, loud mouths. But black girls in Angola are much more charming. There are also mixed blood girls there due to the Portuguese colonization days. The women there are damn hot. Unfortunately, the city of Luanda is pretty shitty. But the beaches are excellent and rife with hotties wearing g-strings.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2314208]If you are from the USA, that's understandable. I don't like most black girls in the USA because too many are ill mannered, entitled, loud mouths. But black girls in Angola are much more charming. There are also mixed blood girls there due to the Portuguese colonization days. The women there are damn hot. Unfortunately, the city of Luanda is pretty shitty. But the beaches are excellent and rife with hotties wearing g-strings.[/QUOTE]I love hot black girls with big luscious lips, if they are pretty and not fat, especially from West Indies, Dominican Republic, South America, even some African countries like Ghana, Kenya, etc. And overall you would have to say they are better at sex than Thais. However I think we must recognise that there are guys that are strongly biased about skin colour and race since they were young, and they won't change. In Europe I meet plenty of guys that would not consider an Asian girl at all, nor a black girl. Hard to understand why. I almost would not consider a girl from my home country any more, even though I had some great young hookers there many many years ago. Just too hard to find the hot good ones.
I hardly do any black girls here in Bangkok, but that is only because the quality is not impressive. I have met some stunning half black girls that were way hotter than the white girls, e. G. Black mother and German father girls could be super stunning.
I really liked clubs with girls originating from a wide variety of countries, and Cuban semi-black girls were fabulous even if they had zero English (who cares). Used to do regularly a Uni student in Germany Kelly who came from Puerto Rico, but sounded like an American. Very amazing for deep tongue kissing. Funny accent. When she mentioned "Hidden valley Ranch Dressing" it sounded to me like "wrench Dressing" so I had no clues what she was talking about. ha ha. I don't know if "Hidden Valley" was ever heard of where I come from. Not the sort thing I would buy, most likely.
I could say I am not that into Indian girls, especially if hairy arms, however would not be true. I would easily take one if pretty enough. I once wanted to do a secretly Pakistani girl who was a stripper. I have certainly had Turkey, Uzbek, and Khazak girls, and Myanmar girls, maybe just a fluke, no Indian girls that I can recall. Maybe no Norwegian and Finnish either, but not because they were not my taste. LOL
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314271]I love hot black girls with big luscious lips, if they are pretty and not fat, especially from West Indies, Dominican Republic, South America, even some African countries like Ghana, Kenya, etc. And overall you would have to say they are better at sex than Thais. However I think we must recognise that there are guys that are strongly biased about skin colour and race since they were young, and they won't change. In Europe I meet plenty of guys that would not consider an Asian girl at all, nor a black girl. Hard to understand why. I almost would not consider a girl from my home country any more, even though I had some great young hookers there many many years ago. Just too hard to find the hot good ones.
I hardly do any black girls here in Bangkok, but that is only because the quality is not impressive. I have met some stunning half black girls that were way hotter than the white girls, e. G. Black mother and German father girls could be super stunning.
I really liked clubs with girls originating from a wide variety of countries, and Cuban semi-black girls were fabulous even if they had zero English (who cares). Used to do regularly a Uni student in Germany Kelly who came from Puerto Rico, but sounded like an American.[/QUOTE]Its all pink on the inside. Hot is hot, sometimes the colour makes it hotter.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2314364]Its all pink on the inside.[/QUOTE]I doubt many guys judge girls on the color of the inside of their pussy.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314271]I love hot black girls with big luscious lips, if they are pretty and not fat, especially from West Indies, Dominican Republic, South America, even some African countries like Ghana, Kenya, etc. And overall you would have to say they are better at sex than Thais.
I hardly do any black girls here in Bangkok, but that is only because the quality is not impressive.[/QUOTE]It's a shame that the quality of the African providers here is so poor or lately non existent. I too like to mix it up with the occasional ebony sex machine. Some of the southern Thai girls can be very dark and really are a thing of beauty. Damn, good memories years ago in Phuket at Rock Hard. I had a session with a half Thai / African provider. She had great big black tits, a tiny wist, an African bubble butt, slightly curly hair and big dark Thai eyes. She was very black.
[QUOTE=Nyezhov;2314364]Its all pink on the inside. Hot is hot, sometimes the colour makes it hotter.[/QUOTE]I think the smell of a girl matters a lot more than her colour. My ex farang wife, was not the best at smelling great in the pussy region. Bad underarm smells would put me off selecting a girl for a GF these days as well. That is one thing that makes Thais so good. They can have Som Tam salad or Smokers breath (Ganja breath is not my favourite haha but makes girls hornier), Thai underarms and pussy are usually real sweet.
I would do the green girl Zoe Saldana from Guardians of the galaxy no problem, and the blue Mystique for from X-men (Rebecca Romjin. Spelling? And of course 7 of Nine. They always ensure the aliens look close enough to human. They don't give them weird horrible eyes, mouths, and noses. The point is though, that the colour of the skin does not matter, and Borg face shrapnel / decoration does not detract that much. Its a bit similar to tats and piercings.
So think the shape, curve, softness, firmness, bounciness of the important features of a girl, face and body, are what matters, not her colouration so much. Hair colour again could be anything at all, pink, green, white, I don't care that much. My GF tried to do a funky hair colour for Songkran. Turned out a bit different to what she intended. Ha ha.
Even have to agree with Goat on one thing. Unshaved pussy definitely attracts negative points when evaluating a girl, longer pussy hair even worse. Bald pussy is much nicer. The more body hair on a girl overall (other than on the head), the less I like it. Smooth nude is the go.
Colour inside the pussy not important, but girls with exceptionally pretty pussy definitely get significant bonus points. One of my regular bargirls has pussy not that tight but extremely perfect looking pretty pussy, so hard to give her up. Messy layout pussy attracts negative points. No clues if girls evaluate dick appearance or not, however know very well some girls like small and some like larger. Again I think very clean dick that smells good has to be important.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314480]I would do the green girl Zoe Saldana from Guardians of the galaxy no problem, and the blue Mystique for from X-men (Rebecca Romjin. Spelling? And of course 7 of Nine. They always ensure the aliens look close enough to human. They don't give them weird horrible eyes, mouths, and noses. The point is though, that the colour of the skin does not matter, and Borg face shrapnel / decoration does not detract that much. Bald pussy is much nicer. Messy layout pussy attracts negative points.[/QUOTE]All those Aliens you mention are very doable. Messy pussy layout (MPL?) is a winner for me. I just can't get enough of the Hope Solo rare beef type of pussies. I haven't encountered too many MPL's of that level on Thai women.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314480]
and the blue Mystique for from X-men (Rebecca Romjin. Spelling? [/QUOTE]It's Rebecca Romijn. You switched the i and the j, which is understandable if you're not Dutch. (Romijn is a Dutch name.)
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2314984]It's Rebecca Romijn. You switched the i and the j, which is understandable if you're not Dutch. (Romijn is a Dutch name.)[/QUOTE]Fancy giving away that I am not Dutch. Ha ha. However I have been to Nederlands a few times so I ought to have seen the 'ij' spelling in words enough times. Always amazed at how gutterally words had to be pronounced so taxi driver would understand the destination.
I did not want to see Rebecca replaced as Mystique in X-men but I guess she got a bit older. I don't really have the hots for the new one Jennifer Lawrence.
Once asked a Dutch guy, how come you call "orange Juice", "Sinaasappel juice" (I mean funny really like "Sin-ass-apple" what has it got to do with apples?" he quickly came back: "Yeh what have Pineapples got to do with apples as well?" he had a good point there.
I think of tits as like coconuts, if convex enhancements, and as like Papayas if a bit saggy.
[QUOTE=Bouvis;2314514]All those Aliens you mention are very doable. Messy pussy layout (MPL?) is a winner for me. I just can't get enough of the Hope Solo rare beef type of pussies. I haven't encountered too many MPL's of that level on Thai women.[/QUOTE]Personally I have never heard of Hope Solo but perhaps Americans will understand what that is about. Never seen the Abbrev MPL either, but for sure I am not into that. Neat pretty pussies for me. Tiny clit can be a problem for DATY, trying to stay on it, so I prefer at least average size.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315005]Personally I have never heard of Hope Solo.[/QUOTE]A simple good search on hope solo pussy, and you will learn easily enough. Raunchiest ragged out pussy I've ever seen.
If I can't remember their names and faces, I doubt I will remember their pussies.
My dick ain't got eyes.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2315016]A simple good search on hope solo pussy, and you will learn easily enough. Raunchiest ragged out pussy I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]OMG that's nasty. Total opposite of what I like. I like clean pussies with zero meat.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2314998]
Once asked a Dutch guy, how come you call "orange Juice", "Sinaasappel juice" (I mean funny really like "Sin-ass-apple" what has it got to do with apples?" he quickly came back: "Yeh what have Pineapples got to do with apples as well?" he had a good point there. [/QUOTE]Why is it called 'orange juice' in English, referring to the color instead of the fruit? An orange colored juice could be anything LOL.
But seriously, I have looked it up and 'Sinaasappel' was originally 'China's appel', because they were coming from China. Over the years 'China' degenerated to 'Sinaas', which sounds similar in Dutch.
However I don't know where the 'appel' part comes from. Maybe just because they have the shape of an apple?
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2315016]A simple good search on hope solo pussy, and you will learn easily enough. Raunchiest ragged out pussy I've ever seen.[/QUOTE]I searched Hope Solo only without pussy and got American female soccer goalkeeper. Did not look any further. Actually I am not even curious enough to see the nasty pussy. I am sure I would not be impressed.
Actually one of my regulars has bigger pussy lips than I would like, but I have to ignore it. At least cannot fall off the bigger than average clit. Other regulars have very pretty pussy to make up for it.
I hate ugly porno pics so much, that I generally stay out of the photo gallery thread here and careful only to do pretty porn, no nasty stuff.
My new girl last night, not only had a great taunt ass, but also amazingly pretty pussy. She may have noticed gazing at her pussy during the fuck more then her face. I did tell her that her pussy was outstandingly nice a few times. She was all natural, with main body negative being small tits with sag. I ignored the tits mostly but lying down, you don't notice the sag so much.
Finished in prone fucking which gave me great view of the ass and pussy and a great feel (tits not in view at all). She would turn her head so could still tongue kiss. Now if a girl had a crappy ass, I would do a different position to not look at it so much. If she had messy pussy, I would choose positions to hide it likely.
When choosing girls from a nudie bar, there is no need to select a messy pussy girl, nor girls with any other off-putting features. I like nudie bars a lot for these reasons. Girls that are not nude maybe hiding something. When no girl is perfection from head to toe, we compromise. My most usual compromise will be on how good the tits are. Big or small can be O.K. I will even take surgeries girls if is a good subtle job. Not keen on large scale piercings, but minor piercings and even tongue piercings are O.K. Almost any colour girls and tats have to be tolerated.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315050] Girls that are not nude maybe hiding something.[/QUOTE]Sure, it could be a surprise, killer body.
For me, unwrapping is half the fun. As they say, life is like a box of chocolates and I've been lucky to get more strawberry coconut than inedible hard centers. My fine sense of braille limits the number of times I'm too disappointed. 😎.
Enjoy. G.
[QUOTE=Goferring;2315058]Sure, it could be a surprise, killer body.
For me, unwrapping is half the fun. As they say, life is like a box of chocolates and I've been lucky to get more strawberry coconut than inedible hard centers. My fine sense of braille limits the number of times I'm too disappointed. 😎.
Enjoy. G.[/QUOTE]I am thinking your message is like, if they are over dressed, a bit of grouping may not go amiss. In bars I would want to pull Coyote girls bras aside to really see the tits underneath. Some of these bras are so hard and so stuffed that feeling the outside would not really work. Really not enough girls have really great bodies for me to use the box of chocolates approach. However I did get extremely lucky with recent MP girl who had tits well covered.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315050]I searched Hope Solo only without pussy and got American female soccer goalkeeper. Did not look any further. Actually I am not even curious enough to see the nasty pussy. I am sure I would not be impressed.[/QUOTE]If you've ever seen a video of a girl's pussy that has been double fisted on a daily basis, or have had a bowling ball shoved up her pussy, their pussy will look similar.
[QUOTE=Smoothy;2315438]If you've ever seen a video of a girl's pussy that has been double fisted on a daily basis, or have had a bowling ball shoved up her pussy, their pussy will look similar.[/QUOTE]That's not quite English, so I have to guess: "similar ".... to each other or to Hope Solo nasty pussy, or extremely wide gaping one? Anyway, I am sure I don't need to see any of these things.
I assume bowling ball is a slight exaggeration, ha ha. I like moderately tight squeezing pussy (not too narrow from doctor stitching it up) but relatively straight and long without too severe uterus cervix obstruction since it is typically only 4 inches in (finger reachable).
Have met one or two girls with absolutely cavenous pussy inside with dick flopping around in there lucky to feel the walls of pussy at all. That does not make for a good fuck. Maybe those girls would have to offer tighter ass. One of these girls was in Bacarra, so I could not imagine she would get repeat Asian customers, maybe only giant dick customers. If pussy grips one's skinny finger quite nicely, that is a good sign. I like to put a finger in deep to check no foam "Luuk jiap" (fluffy chick) obstructions. I hate fucking a piece of foam just 4 inches in, or trying to. The feel is just not right. I always ask girls to remove such obstructions. All too common. Happens maybe 10% of girls tried. I guess it would not matter for a 3 inch dick.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2315822] I guess it would not matter for a 3 inch dick.[/QUOTE]Maybe that's why I've never noticed it.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2270877]Makes perfect sense. Only people that are not getting sex regularly think it is really good to be getting off all the time. If you have to fuck for a living who wants to (or even can) be getting off 5 times a day. It ain't as fun when you have to do it for a job. That is why I laugh when I read reports saying she was really in to it.[/QUOTE]I love to cycle.
I was in a new bike shop I found the other day, and was chatting with the owner.
I was saying woww you "have it made" you love bikes and get to work with them all day etc etc etc.
He said hahaha, it ruined his hobby, now bikes are work and he has to find other things to do for pleasure!
[URL]http://www.bangkokeyes.com/[/URL]
Read the history of BKK bars in this months issue.
Let's move the lady boy topic here. The pattaya thread is bombarded by ladyboys. LOL Let's talk about shit here.
[QUOTE=MongerForSex;2347638]Let's move the lady boy topic here. The pattaya thread is bombarded by ladyboys. LOL Let's talk about shit here.[/QUOTE]LOL you my friend are a mind reader.
[QUOTE=MrEnternational;2350179]Man that was post of the year. I have tears in my eyes from laughing so hard and will put it in ROD. Only problem I see is that you should have put you read instead of you learned, because a lot of the info was either incorrect or outdated.[/QUOTE]I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings.
I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.
There are 3 or 4 people that post good reports and good information and the rest is just trolling and in-fighting which drags the boards down.
Cheers!
[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350345]I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings.
I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.
There are 3 or 4 people that post good reports and good information and the rest is just trolling and in-fighting which drags the boards down.
Cheers![/QUOTE]Are you a troller or one of the 4 people?
[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350345]I agree. I wish I had said "I read" instead of "I learned" because I really did not learn much from the postings.
I tried to be sarcastic enough to let the reader know that it was done a bit tongue in cheek.
There are 3 or 4 people that post good reports and good information and the rest is just trolling and in-fighting which drags the boards down.
Cheers![/QUOTE]Self confessed sarcastic tongue in cheek troller here. I'm confused Linyio,(I know, nothing new there) , but if you did not t learn much from the postings what was the purpose of your post. Just to let everybody know you had been reading the forum and getting lots of details on the Pattaya scene ass ways and confusing people. I always read up on where I'm going but the idea of summarizing what I read or learned and posting it on that country's thread makes absolutely no sense. Well intentioned maybe but possibly better you wait check it out for yourself and then give your in real time impressions.
Cheers.
[QUOTE=SmartBoyMgg;2347999]Hello forum,
I am reaching Pattaya on 19th, and I am a first time traveller to Thailand. I am staying at Soi 8, and intend to have some fantastic time.
I request seniors to help me about the places where I can find sex. I intend to have soapy massage at one the MPs and also take one girl to my room. Also let me know the prevailing rates.
Thank you.[/QUOTE]Maybe start by changing your handle to NotSoSmartBoyMgg?
Rtff, cheers.
[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]I am planning my next trip as a visit to Asia, specifically to Pattaya. Being the responsible monger I am I read back the forum from October of 2018, roughly 130 pages.
... to the girl for sex.[/QUOTE]Every once in a while, one fires up the browser, logs into ISSG and stumbles upon an original contribution!
After wiping the tears from my eyes, all one can do is acknowledge Gracias, Linyjo!
Hope I don't miss reading your trip report!
[QUOTE=Linyjo;2350003]
I have 50 more pages to go, which I am sure will only add to my wealth of wisdom.[/QUOTE]Please continue with the 'Stupid shit in Thailand' thread. Looking forward to hearing from you what you've learned there.
[QUOTE=Mogwai;2350678]Please continue with the 'Stupid shit in Thailand' thread. Looking forward to hearing from you what you've learned there.[/QUOTE]That's the right thread for people no trolling. There is no troller there, only good and informative posts.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2350654] I'm confused Linyio,(I know, nothing new there) , but if you did not t learn much from the postings what was the purpose of your post. [/QUOTE]Let me try to clear up your confusion. The point of the post was to summarize what I read over all those pages into small data bytes that are easy to read and understand. Like the Cliff notes of the forum.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2350654]Just to let everybody know you had been reading the forum and getting lots of details on the Pattaya scene ass ways and confusing people.[/QUOTE]I am not sure why anyone would be confused by a summary of other peoples advice and experience.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2350654]I always read up on where I'm going but the idea of summarizing what I read or learned and posting it on that country's thread makes absolutely no sense. [/QUOTE]To me, contributing to the board and future mongers makes perfect sense. Provide them with the cliff notes of the last 130 pages and share the information from the boards in a simple way all in one posting.
[QUOTE=Franciscass;2350654]Well intentioned maybe but possibly better you wait check it out for yourself and then give your in real time impressions.[/QUOTE]I will add my impressions after I visit but that does not discount or invalidate the information already provided by others. My summary was of other peoples musings, I will add my own when I post my trip reports.
[QUOTE=Dena0;2350669]Every once in a while, one fires up the browser, logs into ISSG and stumbles upon an original contribution!
After wiping the tears from my eyes, all one can do is acknowledge Gracias, Linyjo!
Hope I don't miss reading your trip report![/QUOTE]Thanks man. Nice to know someone appreciated reading my summary. I will definitely add my experiences when / if I make it there.
Cheers Bro.
[QUOTE=Linyjo;2353919]Let me try to clear up your confusion. The point of the post was to summarize what I read over all those pages into small data bytes that are easy to read and understand. Like the Cliff notes of the forum.
I am not sure why anyone would be confused by a summary of other peoples advice and experience.
To me, contributing to the board and future mongers makes perfect sense. Provide them with the cliff notes of the last 130 pages and share the information from the boards in a simple way all in one posting.
I will add my impressions after I visit but that does not discount or invalidate the information already provided by others. My summary was of other peoples musings, I will add my own when I post my trip reports.[/QUOTE]I still find it exceedingly odd but you do have your fans Linyio so perhaps there was some merit to your summation of 130 pages which I imagine took some time and effort.
[QUOTE=Linyjo;2353920]Thanks man. Nice to know someone appreciated reading my summary. I will definitely add my experiences when / if I make it there.
Cheers Bro.[/QUOTE]What you wrote looked like a very good summary, and I even got a chuckle or two, without me reading the whole thing (I was busy on other things). Could be very valuable to newbies, in particular.
Now instead of saying, "Read the Fucking Forum", we can refer guys to your post to read.
Many guys just post a lot of shit with zero useful information. Then there are the smart asses. The better your post, the more there will be knockers, who possibly never or rarely posted anything useful. There will always be shit dumpers, on the forum, really negative types. Treat it as praise that you got their attention. I am amazed that posters that think sarcasm is actually funny, since it requires so much talent to make sarcastic remarks (whoops I was sarcastic myself).
Being new to the forum, you are seen as fair game. Guys don't like it if new posters start showing them up.
Unbelievably, I think the Thailand forum has improved. It was significantly more negative a few years back, but some guys left.
I often wonder what motivates the shit dumpers, if they are not disagreeing with your points. Jealous of the attention your post got. Not many posts are important and get a lot of interested readers.
I hope your own experiences will make as good reading. Always things to be learned from our experiences, I just wish I could refrain from making the same mistakes again.
[QUOTE=Syzygies;2354260]What you wrote looked like a very good summary, and I even got a chuckle or two, without me reading the whole thing (I was busy on other things). Could be very valuable to newbies, in particular.
Now instead of saying, "Read the Fucking Forum", we can refer guys to your post to read.
Many guys just post a lot of shit with zero useful information. Then there are the smart asses. The better your post, the more there will be knockers, who possibly never or rarely posted anything useful. There will always be shit dumpers, on the forum, really negative types. Treat it as praise that you got their attention. I am amazed that posters that think sarcasm is actually funny, since it requires so much talent to make sarcastic remarks (whoops I was sarcastic myself).
Being new to the forum, you are seen as fair game. Guys don't like it if new posters start showing them up.
Unbelievably, I think the Thailand forum has improved. It was significantly more negative a few years back, but some guys left..[/QUOTE]Very well said about the posers and trolls. I agree with you and noticed the same thing. In fact, I noted it in my first summary how useless a lot of the commenters are. They just want to stir shit, because they are either bored or jealous.
I think it's obvious that some members are commercial and have an agenda. Driving conversation towards certain places and dumping on other places. They also troll members they see as a threat or those in opposition to their opinions.
As far as being the new guy, I am new to the Thailand thread but not to the boards. My first post was in 2015 and I was a long time lurker before that, so I'm well versed in the trolls and the shit stirring malcontents. I usually just take the high road and ignore them as my time and effort is worth more than that.
[URL]https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7842273/British-man-50-killed-trying-light-firework-Thailand-New-Years-Eve.html[/URL]
These fireworks are aimed at kids who don't have a lot of baht. I have met several missing arms from "accidents". Do not have anything to do with them. If you see people with them, walk away quickly. They are lethal.
Although I could write a hundred quips here, sarcasm does not look well on a tomb stone.
[QUOTE=PedroMorales;2408543]
Although I could write a hundred quips here, sarcasm does not look well on a tomb stone.[/QUOTE]Someone close to me in Thailand once injured a kid's eardrum with a fireworks explosion, totally accidental but sickening. Dangerous stuff to be avoided if possible.