The global freedom scores are the more pertinent, and here Ukraine scores 61 in 100, Russia 19.
[URL]https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores[/URL]
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The global freedom scores are the more pertinent, and here Ukraine scores 61 in 100, Russia 19.
[URL]https://freedomhouse.org/countries/freedom-world/scores[/URL]
[URL]https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/31/ukraine-banned-landmines-harm-civilians[/URL]
[QUOTE=Questner;2785217][URL]https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/31/ukraine-banned-landmines-harm-civilians[/URL][/QUOTE]Wow the Raschists are using a butt-tonne of illegal landmines. That is disgusting and once UA takes back it's land will be a problem for a long time.
Slava Ukraini.
[QUOTE=Questner;2785217][URL]https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/01/31/ukraine-banned-landmines-harm-civilians[/URL][/QUOTE]So we get another link from a guy who still hasn't the balls to formulate an argument. Sadly that's mostly all we get from the far right crowd that swallows hood link and rinker the nonsense through their Facebook feeds, but lack any intellectual increduity to evalutate it. Whatever nonsense sounds good to them they parrot and pass along. Yawns.
[QUOTE=VinDici;2785353]Slava Ukraini.[/QUOTE][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM[/URL]
[QUOTE=Paulie97;2785731][URL]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIUoFuSuvTM[/URL][/QUOTE]Ten years ago it was "Ukraine for Ukrainians". Now it's "Stand with Ukraine". No thanks, I saw how you treated folks exactly in your situation.
[QUOTE=Riina;2785869]Ten years ago it was "Ukraine for Ukrainians". Now it's "Stand with Ukraine". No thanks, I saw how you treated folks exactly in your situation.[/QUOTE]Ukraine for Ukrainians? LOL.
More bullshit please! Never let the truth get in the way of a good propaganda slogan, tovarisch.
Ursula in Kiev: the first case in history of medicine where a drug addict was attended by a gynecologist.
[QUOTE=Riina;2785869]Ten years ago it was "Ukraine for Ukrainians". Now it's "Stand with Ukraine". No thanks, I saw how you treated folks exactly in your situation.[/QUOTE]Lets just grow a pair and admit it. Russia is changing borders with aggressions, murdering children and cilvilians. They tried to steal the entire country but failed because of Ukrainian strength and NATO. You come here, cowardly, in a hooker forum defending Russia. Ok, the Russian bodies will keep piling up, and it's because of the murderous actions you wish to defend. That's really all that needs to be said.
Last time I was in Kiev, I had a disturbing experience. Jumping around in a club with college cuties, I thought I was in paradise. The hotties looked so lovely and innocent. Then the tide went out and the ugly showed itself. A group of Indian girls walked into the club and every single Ukrainian girl in that place showed their complete disgust right in the face of these poor girls just looking to go out and have some fun. It's in the detail what a society is about. Ukraine has always been an illusion to silly foreigners.
[QUOTE=Riina;2786923]Last time I was in Kiev, I had a disturbing experience. Jumping around in a club with college cuties, I thought I was in paradise. The hotties looked so lovely and innocent. Then the tide went out and the ugly showed itself. A group of Indian girls walked into the club and every single Ukrainian girl in that place showed their complete disgust right in the face of these poor girls just looking to go out and have some fun. It's in the detail what a society is about. Ukraine has always been an illusion to silly foreigners.[/QUOTE]If those Indian girls had had the good taste to get botox lip implants surely they'd have been welcomed into the EU wannabe sisterhood.
It's said that life in Ukraine under former President, a candy business magnate, was not sweet, and life under the present snorting clown is not funny.
You can take a quiz on how many articles of the recent Ukrainian Constitution are bluntly violated: [URL]https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Ukraine_2019?lang=en[/URL].
Interesting history fact: an inauguration of Hetman of Ukrain Pavlo Skoropadskyi in 1918 was held in a circus Hippo Palace (the building has been since demolished). It's all started as a joke.
[QUOTE=Riina;2786923]Last time I was in Kiev, I had a disturbing experience. Jumping around in a club with college cuties, I thought I was in paradise. The hotties looked so lovely and innocent. Then the tide went out and the ugly showed itself. A group of Indian girls walked into the club and every single Ukrainian girl in that place showed their complete disgust right in the face of these poor girls just looking to go out and have some fun. It's in the detail what a society is about. Ukraine has always been an illusion to silly foreigners.[/QUOTE]Pre-invasion Ukraine is a country that no longer exists. Pre-invasion attitudes will, for many (if not most) be completely transformed along the lines of "who helped us, who was against us, and who stood silent."
When the war is over, people from Poland, the Baltics, and Nordics will be treated like close family. They pitched in early and gave whole-heartedly. Next will come countries like the US and UK, who helped, but could have done more and done it sooner. Toward the lower end of acceptability will be those countries, like Germany, who helped grudgingly after much internal and external pressure.
Held at arms length (or worse) will be countries who stood silently on the sidelines, or leaned against Ukraine without crossing too many lines. These might include Hungary, Serbia, and Croatia.
Finally will be those countries that Ukrainians will view as co-belligerents and-or Russia enablers. China, India, and Iran will be on that list. Given what Ukrainians have experienced, it's hard to see how they will forget or forgive.
FWIW, any pre-invasion experiences in Ukraine should probably be flushed down the toilet. The world has forever changed.
[QUOTE=Questner;2787121]It's said that life in Ukraine under former President, a candy business magnate, was not sweet, and life under the present snorting clown is not funny.
You can take a quiz on how many articles of the recent Ukrainian Constitution are bluntly violated: [URL]https://www.constituteproject.org/constitution/Ukraine_2019?lang=en[/URL].
Interesting history fact: an inauguration of Hetman of Ukrain Pavlo Skoropadskyi in 1918 was held in a circus Hippo Palace (the building has been since demolished). It's all started as a joke.[/QUOTE]Lincoln suspended habeas corpus. FDR had internment camps. The real barometer will be what happens after the war is over. Zelensky won't be president forever and the fact that Ukraine sees its future within the EU means they'll need to keep moving forward toward European standards and norms.
[QUOTE=Jmsuttr;2787134]Pre-invasion Ukraine is a country that no longer exists. Pre-invasion attitudes will, for many (if not most) be completely transformed along the lines of "who helped us, who was against us, and who stood silent."
When the war is over, people from Poland, the Baltics, and Nordics will be treated like close family. They pitched in early and gave whole-heartedly. Next will come countries like the US and UK, who helped, but could have done more and done it sooner. Toward the lower end of acceptability will be those countries, like Germany, who helped grudgingly after much internal and external pressure.
Held at arms length (or worse) will be countries who stood silently on the sidelines, or leaned against Ukraine without crossing too many lines. These might include Hungary, Serbia, and Croatia.
Finally will be those countries that Ukrainians will view as co-belligerents and-or Russia enablers. China, India, and Iran will be on that list. Given what Ukrainians have experienced, it's hard to see how they will forget or forgive.
FWIW, any pre-invasion experiences in Ukraine should probably be flushed down the toilet. The world has forever changed.[/QUOTE]"Pre-invasion Ukraine is a country that no longer exists. " This is very true.
I have no problem with drawing up lists of the Ukraine's allies, enemies and the non-committal. I just don't think the Ukraine war will have far lasting repercussions with the Ukrainians' perception of other countries around the world.
Germany's prestige will take a temporary hit within the Ukraine. That won't last long because Germany's economic might will eventually pull in the Ukraine. I also suspect the Germans will play a big part in the post-war reconstruction. German business will not want to miss out.
China is big enough and powerful enough to make small inroads in the future Ukraine. The Chinese are always limited by cultural differences and suspicions around the world.
Poland and the Baltics will likely develop a closer kinship with the Ukraine, but again it will lack economic importance.
In peacetime, money speaks volumes.