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[QUOTE=Breadman]Maybe it wasn't about the mystery guy, it might have been she just didn't like you or something you were doing. No attack intended with this comment. Its happened to me a couple of times, girls that just did it for me turning me down flat.
Getting turned down or cut short by a stunner is really no big deal in a club with lots of other high quality talent...but when its done at a club with limited resources, its hard to go drilling somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Gee I wonder why, my friend :-)
beffen- not as intimidating genitally as my friend the breadman
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[QUOTE=Beffen1]Duralong- no offense and I hate to break it to you but there was no guy hiring her to just sit with her friends. Definately not. For whatever reason, after the 40 minutes in the room with you, she had enough of you or of work altogether. Maybe she had pussy pain. Maybe you remind her of a pimp who beat her. Maybe she was afraid she was falling in love with you or you with her. Whatever, she didn't want to continue. And when you went to the reception to inquire, and then she went to talk to reception, she obviously told the reception to back her up on her excuse, which they did for her. It's so obvious...[/QUOTE]
Obvious?! Looks like everybody here has a different interpretation of the facts and a different opinion on them.
I still continue to believe that the girls told me the truth at the end. Do you see a reason for them telling me a lie? Wouldn't it be simpler for them to tell me the plain truth, even in case it were what you say? Moreover all your hypoteses are in contradiction with some of the facts.
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Hi Duralong,
I've been following this discussion from the first time I read your very excellent report about your recent experience at this club.
I must say as soon as I read carefully exactly what your wrote, I immediately shared your view that you had been shafted. I admitt that I am also a bit surprised (read: mildly disappointed) in the rather unsypathetic responses to your disappointing session and post-session experience with Lara that night from other members here. I don't know if HB is condoning what happened to you, but he sure thinks it's within the parameters of acceptable behaviour within an FKK club. Personally, I go the other way, completely in your camp and say: Es ist nicht Cricket!
You are quite correct when you say there are rules, and if at Acupulco or any other club this kind of rule applies, then somebody should make it bloody clear from the outset that this Lara was like Cinderella and would at the stroke of some magic hour would turn into something else and become the "property" of another session. Right? Nobody, even yourself, dear Duralong, has yet to point out who the first culprit in this sad story is: Lara, herself, who damn well should have pointed out that there were strict and severe time limits to your session BEFORE you entered the room.
And it sure seems from your description that she really didn't give a toss about you and your feelings of rejetion and dissatisfaction afterwards! Really, I was reading this and up to that point where she --basically--aborted the session with you, I was thinking: Hey, kisses like a princess, etc., yeah, I might just visit this club when I'm in Germany in a few weeks, and give this girl a spin. But now: After I read how cold she was to you and didn't even try to stretch things even a tad in your favour, I'm thinking: What a *****!
Okay, lack of communication is at the heart of this story, but I am a big believer in body language and emotional empathy between two session partners. And fuck: You were a return customer almost a Stammgast! Scheisse, that's what I say: And the club reception could, if they had chose to, shown a bit more "Mitleid" or compassion in dealing with you. They might have had executive authority to juggle things slightly in your favour if they wanted to.
I guess at the end of the day: Learn some Deutsch, mann so you can avoid some of these misunderstandings and prempt some of this disappointment.
But from my perspective you were not treated with great respect by Lara or the club, even if some phantom Lurker in the shadows was "paying good money" for her time. It's fucking unsocial practise, that is what I say. In my mind, Lara could have stood up a bit for you if she wanted or even cared or understood what was going on from your perspective, Duralong. Or am I out of sorts here?
Anyway, great report(s)!
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Thank you for your support Ortos. It's very much appreciated.
However, having been a witness of the story (yes I was there :) ) I must say that I cannot blame Lara for her behavior. She has been very kind with me all the time, except at the end, when she became upset.
I think that she simply didn't understand me, then she was unable to explain me better the situation. Definitely I believe that misunderstanding has a great part in this thing, and yes I should learn some Deutsch, but the problem is time, time, time.
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[QUOTE=Duralong] I must say that I cannot blame Lara for her behavior. She has been very kind with me all the time, except at the end, when she became upset.
I think that she simply didn't understand me. Definitely I believe that misunderstanding has a great part in this thing, and yes I should learn some German, but the problem is time, time, time.[/QUOTE]
So after all of this...if you see Lara at the club on your next visit, what then? As Ortos said you were a repeat client and she didn't give you the respect you deserve. And from your posts its obvious how much getting the session cut short bothered you. Will you give your business back to Lara or let her know she lost your business?
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[QUOTE=Breadman]So after all of this...if you see Lara at the club on your next visit, what then? As Ortos said you were a repeat client and she didn't give you the respect you deserve. And from your posts its obvious how much getting the session cut short bothered you. Will you give your business back to Lara or let her know she lost your business?[/QUOTE]
Uhh... to recall a song: "I go weak in the presence of beauty" :)
I think that if I see Lara again I will try to clarify things. I don't know if we can rescue the “feeling” we had, but I will try to, and if she will “forgive” me for having "stressed" her (as for me I already have forgiven her of not having understood how bad I was feeling) I will definitely repeat with her (hoping the poor man :( is not around). Won’t you?
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[QUOTE=Duralong](hoping the poor man :( is not around). [/QUOTE]
What do you mean by this statement?
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[QUOTE=Duralong]I think that she simply didn't understand me, then she was unable to explain me better the situation. Definitely I believe that misunderstanding has a great part in this thing, and yes I should learn some Deutsch, but the problem is time, time, time.[/QUOTE]
That matches my interpretation of the facts. And by the way - some ISGlers tend to forget that the girls are there to make money, it is their job, business. Try to make the customer happy and get as much (money) out of him as possible.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]That matches my interpretation of the facts. And by the way - some ISGlers tend to forget that the girls are there to make money, it is their job, business. Try to make the customer happy and get as much (money) out of him as possible.
HB[/QUOTE]
Exactly...and making the customer (Duralong) happy and extracting as much (money) as possible out of him is something that Lara failed miserably.
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[QUOTE=Ortos]Exactly...and making the customer (Duralong) happy and extracting as much (money) as possible out of him is something that Lara failed miserably.[/QUOTE]
From our view - yes. From her view - maybe not. What if the guy that booked her for the whole day is a regular guest of hers? And she saw Dura as just a one time event? Then she took as much money out of the situation as possible.
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]From our view - yes. From her view - maybe not. What if the guy that booked her for the whole day is a regular guest of hers? And she saw Dura as just a one time event? Then she took as much money out of the situation as possible.
HB[/QUOTE]
I believe this was the case, although Ortos’ ironic comment points out how the girl didn’t manage at best the situation, but it was not all her fault.
Anyway, call me a fool, but I don’t think that paid sex can be reduced in such cynical terms as HB and others suggest.
Extrapolating from the case at hand and speaking in more general terms I want to say what follows.
Everyone needs to enjoy, at least in part, what he/she does. If one is forced to do something just for the money, that’s the receipt for a bad life and most likely for failure.
I am unable to do something that I don’t like just to earn money. I can sustain that only for a short time. If you are in that condition you should consider seriously changing your job.
And so I think is for these girls. Those who make it just for the money are bad providers for sure, and I tend to avoid them.
I recounted you already of many experiences I had, when I recalled I was in paid sex only when it came time to pay. Many of you reported on fantastic experiences as well.
Were these exaggerated or not, good providers exist for sure. But obviously some kind of sympathy must arise and be established between the client and the provider to achieve a high quality intercourse.
Thus I believe it cannot be the same with everybody for any provider. However, as I am no James Bond, but just an ordinary guy in look, in my experience, to achieve this, kindness and sensitivity are the important factors, although looking good first and sexual performance later may help in supporting the girl’s “sympathy” for you.
I believe I succeeded in this purpose with Lara, she enjoyed the session with me, but she had to deal also with her regular supporter. Then bad luck, misunderstandings and a sequence of errors by me, by her and by the receptionist, turned the thing for the worse.
As I told you I hope to recover things with her, if not I will make a reason of it and look for yet another good girl :)
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[QUOTE=Duralong]Everyone needs to enjoy, at least in part, what he/she does. If one is forced to do something just for the money, that’s the receipt for a bad life and most likely for failure.
I am unable to do something that I don’t like just to earn money. I can sustain that only for a short time. If you are in that condition you should consider seriously changing your job.
And so I think is for these girls. Those who make it just for the money are bad providers for sure, and I tend to avoid them. [/QUOTE]
It is a little more divers. There's quite a lot of (especially, but not only) non-German girls who do have some kind of manager, friend, husband, pimp and don't have the free will to decide what or where to work. But even then you do find perfect service providers amongst them, and that also includes giving you the impression of non-pay sex until it comes to the point of being paid. And there's also girls that do work for their own wallet and will give you shitty service - and will stay in the business for a long time; I've seen that in clubs but more often in "Laufhäusern".
Situations where it really "clicks" are quite rare, they do happen, sure, I have experienced that. And this is the kick most guys are looking for.
[QUOTE=Duralong]I recounted you already of many experiences I had, when I recalled I was in paid sex only when it came time to pay. Many of you reported on fantastic experiences as well.[/QUOTE]
That's just what you were looking for. And what good service providers will give to you. Even if it is all fake and an artificial world inside the clubs.
[QUOTE=Duralong]good providers exist for sure. But obviously some kind of sympathy must arise and be established between the client and the provider to achieve a high quality intercourse. [/QUOTE]
D'accord. Without that it will only be mechanical sex - which on the other hand can also be quite satisfyfing. ;)
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]From our view - yes. From her view - maybe not. What if the guy that booked her for the whole day is a regular guest of hers? And she saw Dura as just a one time event? Then she took as much money out of the situation as possible.
HB[/QUOTE]
What if? What if? What if? You and me can speculate until we're blue in the face. The point is Duralong was a repeat customer, and the other guy did NOT book her for the whole day, just (according to her story) from a certain time, and then he didn't even go to the room with her. In this case, Lara could have gone another 30 mins (or even 15mins) with Duralong, and stretched the situation to his favour, if she wanted to.
Good business etiquette would dictate that once you are in the room with a girl, you should have some lee-way or preferred status in this situation, unless it was made crystal clear from the outset that this was a Cinderella story, where at the stroke of a certain time, you lover/princess would suddenly drop everything and turn into a cold, aloof *****...
O
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[QUOTE=Ortos]What if? What if? What if? You and me can speculate until we're blue in the face. [/QUOTE]
Good point. So let's close the discussion and come back to "Fuckten, Fuckten, Fuckten" ... ;)
HB
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[QUOTE=Hessen Bub]Good point. So let's close the discussion and come back to "Fuckten, Fuckten, Fuckten" ... ;)
HB[/QUOTE]
Amen, Brother
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[QUOTE=Duralong]HB there should be rules, and there are rules, even in a free market.
Also when there aren't rules, we know what it's fair and what it's offensive to others. I tend not to offend or do disagreable things for other people. I am happy also when other people around me are happy. Do you prefer to live in a jungle instead?
Anyway, I won't sustain this dispute any longer. I am surprised to read all these comments against my point of view, rather than people supporting it. What kind of guys are you?
Isn't it that one of you is the *nice* guy who ruined my day?[/QUOTE]
Duralong,
I read all your reports with interest. You are a good writer, have interesting perspective and certainly with brilliant insight. You are not a cynic.
There are laws, there are morals (may be not appropriate word in this hobby) and there is courtesy. There are some people that can rationalize discourteous behavior as long as the are not breaking any laws. If a person has lot of money, gets on a bus, buys up all the tickets so no else can sit, does not care others are inconvenienced, obviously is not doing anything illegal but most people would still call him a dick and would not approve of that kind of behavior. So, I hear you and so do lot of other people.
BTW, keep posting. Don't let people who don't know you ruin your day.