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To all,
I was considering on spending a month in Seoul, Korea, next summer, and I was wondering:
(1) What good internet sites/travel agents one should investigate for renting apartments?
(2) Where the safer/better parts of Seoul would be located?
(3) What price range should I consider?
I am looking for a 1-2 bedroom apartment with AC for a month of enjoying in Seoul, and I can only find apartments for about $US 2000-5000 per month.
Thanks, and regards to all.
-play2
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To play2:
1) Forget the sites, they're a bunch of rip offs. There are waaaay cheaper places you can get by just walking around.
2) Seoul is safe. It doesn't really matter where you live. I used to live in L.A. and even L.A. isn't too bad. You can walk around late at night, just watch your back. Here in Seoul, I never worry. Besides, there's always people around, no matter how late it is, so don't worry about the crime.
3) Price range: You can get a decent sized place for about 500,000won/month I think. That's about $400 or so. I'm paying 950,000won/month for my place. About $800. It's about 720 sq. ft. I'm also in Sinchon area. I'm within 3 minute walk of Ewha Women's University too, so that's good. :)
In my area, since there's several universities here, there's lots of apartments for rent here. Ranging from 300,000 to 1,000,000. Roughly $250 - $850. One bedroom will probably cost you about $800 or so/month. There's lots of places around my neighborhood. In fact, the building I'm in has a vacancy for a 1 room I believe. Probably same price as mine, give or take 100,000/month. It will also come furnished, with bed, table, microwave, fridge, TV, AC, etc.
I'm about a 15-20 minute walk to the Sinchon Subway station. However, there's a bus that stops right in front of my building that'll take me to the Subway station for 450 won (maybe 35 cents?). There's a few restaurants in my area, within 1-2 minute walking, as well as a few markets. Some bars/cafes as well.
Of course, you can live anywhere though. Haha, maybe you can look at renting one of the empty glass houses in Miari or something. However, I was told they go for about 5,000,000won/month (about $4,000). Still at least 2 stories, with a basement. Maybe 15 rooms total, so you can start a motel business perhaps? Anyway, hope this info helped.
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Hi All,
I will be in Seoul for a few days next week. I've been reading the reports here and there is a lot of info. Unfortunately, 90% of the reports do not include directions to get to these various locations.
Apparently, there is a Glass House area near Hooker Hill but I've no clue how to find it. My friend tells me that there is a small Glass House are near Yongson Station.
Anyway, I would like specific information on how to get to the various Glass House areas. I'm also interested in the Bath Houses that also offer a good massage (including a Chaji Massaggy). Info on Massage Parlors (not "Real" massage parlors) with fairly young agashis would be nice.
Any assistance is appreciated.
Moscow Man
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Oh man, what a great time I just had!
I'm back from about 80 minutes of fun in Jangam-dong. A friend of mine, who knows all of these places, decided to take me out tonight. We went in his car, and we started with a tour of 588. Saw the same girls I always see, said hello to a few of my 'regulars'.
Then we drove a little more, and we ended up in Jangam-dong (or was it Jangan-dong?). There's a car market there. Sort of like Yongsan electronics, but with cars instead. Well, that's what my friend told me anyway. Then we parked the car and got out. I noticed a subway stop, but damnit, I can't quite remember the name right now. Starts with a "J" though. Exit #2.
Anyway, we walk in. My friend is quite the talker. He gives the manager his business card (he has his own auto dealership for foreign cars). Then he tells the manager that I'm from America and I'm his client and I'm about to buy a Porsche from him so he's treating me out. He then asks the manager to get me the best girl in the place.
So I go in a little booth, then this petite hottie comes in. Really pretty face, too. I was surprised to see how good looking she was. She tells me to undress and gives me some shorts. I put them on and lay down in the chair.
She then proceeds to put lotion on my face, as well as aloe, and some other stuff. Lotion on my hands, feet, etc. Massages me feet, hands, head, shoulders, etc.
Afterwards, we went to a private room that contained a shower room. In the shower room there was a table. She told me to lay face down. So I did. She then massages me some more. She also rubs a soapy sponge all over to clean me up. Then she pours milk all over me, as well as on herself (which was quite a hot sight to see). She then starts massaging my feet with her breasts. She moves up to my legs, ass, my back. I was in heaven.
Then I turn over, she washes my body with a soapy sponge. Then cleans me off, and pours more milk on me and herself. Again, it was hot to see her pouring milk on herself. The way her skin was shining. Then she rubs me all over with her body.
Afterwards, she cleans me off, then she shampoo'd my hair. Then brushed my teeth, cleaned off some more, etc. Then went into her bedroom to dry off. She then came and told me to lay on my stomach. I did, and she gave me a tongue massage all over my body, and then started eating my ass. Nice.
Then I turned around, and she gave me a tongue massage on my front body. Sucked my nipples, etc. Then she started with the bbbj. Her skills in that department were average. Then she also used some mouthwash to give me head. Nice, refreshing feeling. It was like Yongjukol. Anyway, she put the condom on with her mouth, then got on top.
Then I took her from behind, and finished in that position. She had the kegel muscle thing going, so every few seconds or so her pussy would just tighten up. Very nice.
After finishing, she lead me into the shower room once more and cleaned me off. Then I dried myself off, and had a cigarette with her. I then put on my clothes, and left.
As I walked out, I checked how much time I spent in there. 85 minutes was how long I was getting serviced in there. Very nice. What was the cost? It was a mere 80,000. However, I did tip 10,000 (which is very rare for me to tip) because I was in such a good mood.
So in 588 you can get 15 minutes (even though I usually spend 25) for 60,000. However, at this place I went to, you just put in another 20,000 and you can spend nearly 90 minutes, and be totally pampered. It was an amazing experience.
I guess this is the type of place Pinkl is? I was considering going there. However, Yeoksam station is a bit far from me. Tonight I had a friend drive me to this place that I'm reporting on. He goes there pretty frequently. Well, I can say, that I won't be going to 588 as much as before. Miari is still okay, because I like the whole karaoke/beer aspect of it.
I'm sorry I don't have the name or exact location of the place. However, in that Jangam-dong area, there's supposed to be lots of those types of places. My friend told me the place we went to is the best though. He said there's some similar ones in Kangnam, but they charge 140,000.
Anyway, next time I go, I will remember to get a business card, and remember to remember the damn subway stop it was located at. Or I'll just ask my friend tomorrow (it's 3:27am now).
Okay folks, there it is! My first "turkey tang" experience. I hope you all enjoyed the report. I also hope you guys enjoyed my 588, and Miari reports as well. I also have a Yongjukol report, but that is posted on a different website. Maybe I'll copy it and post it here. Then I had my room salon experience, but that sucked. Pretty soon I'll request senior membership!
PS: I'm not sure if they take foreigners there. I don't think it'll be a problem, but I did not see any in there. The manager said they have 30 girls there, too.
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Moscow Man
If you go to a Seoul report logged on 02-11-04, by Play Thing, you will be able to click onto a map of Yongsan's RLD, as well as read his excellent directions on how to get there.
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Hey Byung.
I'm glad you had a great time.
Just to pinpoint some mis-information.
The area name is Jang-ang Dong, and it is not "Turkey-Tub" It is the two-pole Barbershop. No Turkey-Tub will cost you only 80,000won.
Jangang-Dong is the well known area for two-pole Barbershop to the locals. It's is cheaper and the girls a young and cute if you choose the right one. "Paradise" just pop-up in my head right away.
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Byung,
Great report on the Turkey Tang on Jang Am Dong. Reports like these make me wish I was in Seoul by now. It's remarkable how service in those places is aimed to please the customer rather than "bam bam cya" attitude in other places. I'm stucked here in L.A, which is a monger's worst place to be on this entire World. My current job prevents me from traveling to other parts of the World. Back in 1998 I visited Seoul and I had an unforgettable GF Experience in 588 (the first time i went there). I guess you can call that a biginner's luck since the girl was a 9 with a 9 body and her service was a 10. Another good time I had was in Flushing, NY, an inhouse place where i got serviced by this girl who looked like this korean actress whose name i forgot and had a very delitious body and tecnique. $70 for 80 min of paradise... that's just an awesome deal. Wish I was in Seoul. Keep those great reports comming Byung.
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Byung,
Welcome to the Wondeful World of Korean BBS.
The place you went is called "Jang-An Dong" and full of BBS purely geared for screwing a girl. The competition among the shops is pretty strong there, meaning good service for us mongers.
First thing first, here is how to get there:
Jang-An dong is East of the Seoul CBD, about 20~30 min drive depending on the traffic. Again, subway is the sure way to get there. Get the Line #5, and get off at Jang-Han-Pyung Station, before the Gun-ja Station. Go to the exit #3 (#2 will do the same trick, if I remember correct) and you are in the area. Just any building in front of you has at least 1 BBS, all the way up to Kyung-Nam hotel, about a mile long north.
Now, the second part :Which BBS to go?
The answer is any out there, as long as they take you. I'm pretty sure if you can not speak Korean, they would not accept you. I heard some would take the Japanese, but not sure of it. So, bring your Korean friend, or pretend you can speak some Korean.
The key phrase is this: Say this to the counter boy.
"Shewl-su it-ur-yo ?"
(Can I have a rest?)
not, "Mur-ri kkak-ul-su it-ur-yo"
(Can I have a hair-cut?)
If you speak the second phrase, they will simply kick you out, guessing that you are a clueless foreigner asking for a haircut. The first one is THE PHRASE used by the Korean mongers in every situation - RLD, BBS, Turkish Bath- and declaring that he KNOWS what's going to happen.
A Friendly Reminder !
If you've never been there, you will get disturbed when the girl asks you to move to other place. Other place? Yes, they have a secret door leading to the backside of shop where the real action begins. Have you ever seen the wall vaporized into a hallway? Another quite interesting experice, I would say.
Play Thing
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First and foremost I have to decalare that this post is about the xenophobic sentiments of the Korean working girls, and does NOT endorse any racism argument.
After asking few (lots of?) working girls/madams, I sense there is a hierachy among the foreigners in Korea they will accept as a customer.
1. Japanese
Easy to understand. Japanese is the language most working girls wanna to learn. It was always easier to find a Japanese-speaking girl than an English one. The madam who claims "We don't take any foreigners", at the mention of Japanese, told me to reconsider in that case.
(2. Chinese )
As long as it's a quick bang-bang, they seem not to care about the Chinese. But a madam at the Turkish Bath told me they will not accept the Chinese, and when I asked the reason, she said "they are dirty" - a typical Korean misconception.
I can go on and on this Chinese case, but that's not the main interest of this forum, I guess.
3. Caucasian
We can count as much as 50 different Caucasian ethnic groups and just one lump sum of Caucasian? The problem is, Koreans can't distinguish any of them. Would you believe if someone tells you Jean Renot (French) and Sean Connelly (Scots) look very similar to each other?
As long as you accompany Korean friends, you can access any mongering place. If you are a single-venture type, right now, you are limited to the Hooker Hill (Itaewon), YoungSan RLD, hotel lobby-girls, out-calls(?), also some new BBS type place in Kangnam(Finkl comes to mind, if they accept). What you miss goes like this: KTV (room salon), Upscale KTV (10%, what we call), Turkish Bath and its variants, and some really lousy brothel.
4. Black
We don't discriminate the Black ppl. They are treated same as the White - another foreigner. Sometimes I got slight negative response from the girls, but once they accept the White, no reason not to the Black.
5. SW asians
Sadly this is where the discrimination kicks in. Unless the girl is really adventurous, everyone I asked are not sure of this. Right now, Korea has imported lots of SW asian labour forces, and that's the root of this evil.
The Korean xenophobia has 2 different roots.
First is the well-known language barrier. Most working girls can not explain what they do provide and do not. The same goes for most mamasans. And they are afraid of anything goes wrong with the expats. This increases the tension among them, and they solve the problem by simply rejecting the foreigners at all. (Maybe recent economic recess will change this attitude.)
The other consideration is "the reputation" of the shop. There are ppls who dislike the shops rumored to serve the foreigners. This is exacly what happened in Miari RLD few months ago. YongSan RLD serves the foreigners, because it's a relatively small RLD and not the first choice among the Koreans. So they are free from this kind of gossip talks.
Out for lunch, I will write more when I feel like to.
Play Thing
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This is my first report in Seoul as this was my first trip there. Thanks for all the postings and directions. I found Yongsan RLD very easily, but 588 was a little confusing.
So I was in Seoul early this week. I hit the yongsan RLD very early on Monday, around 2 pm, maybe it was too early. About 25% of it was open for business, but was staffed by older ladies. So I passed on Yongsan.
I decided to hit 588 at about 7'ish. I heard from some reports that this area or the A row girls are unfriendly to foreigners and that only Japanese are the only foreigners allowed. I pretended to be Japanese and was able to get service from one of the girls. I am chinese, but I speak very little japanese. Once I got in, I reverted to English. I apologize in advance to the other mongering brothers if my posting doesn't help you.
Looks were really good, say a 8. This girl was very cute and she wasn't covered in makeup like so many of the 588 girls. Body wise was a 8, for me I like slim, short, small perky boobs, and a nice ass which she had. I chose her because she was the least aggressive girl. I was walking around and a lot of 588 girls were very loud in calling to me. Price was 60,000 Won for 15 minutes. 70,000 for 20 minutes and I forgot what she wanted for an hour. So I chose 15 minutes. Service was just par. She started with cleaning and then kissing the body. Then proceeded with a short CBJ. After that I asked her to ride me and finished in missionary.
The really disappointing part was that she didn't wait for me to get dress and walk me to the front. She got dressed quickly and went to to the front to wait for another costumer. I don't know if this only was because of me or only in Korea. At least in other Asian countries I've tried, the girl escorts you to the exit.
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Checked-out the BBS in Iteawan down the street from the Outback Steak House yesterday afternoon, and found the service to be pretty good for 60,000 won. Photoman gave an earlier report on it last April, so I had to try it out. I Got a pretty decent massage by a lady in her thirties, followed by a BBBJ and finish by HJ. A clean-up, followed by a few more minutes of message, and away I went after tipping her 20,000 won. About one hour of unhurried service and very relaxing. There were other girls there, but I never got a look at them. Definately going back when I'm in the area again.
Travaholic
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>>Another good time I had was in Flushing, NY, an inhouse place where i got serviced by this girl who looked like this korean actress whose name i forgot and had a very delitious body and tecnique. $70 for 80 min of paradise... that's just an awesome deal. -CanCan<<
Ok, I'm working on my first trip to seoul since starting this hobby, and I should be there in a month or so and will report back.
However, CanCan please tell me more about the place in Flushing. I am currently on assignment in NYC and Flushing is but a stone's throw away and I have seen a lot of real cuties walking around there. While I don't mean to doubt you, I find your claim hard to believe since from all I have seen including asian-only places they run in the $120-160 range. I have heard of some very nice korean amps in LA, so not sure why you say it's so bad. Of course, from all I am told even from the best looking kgirls here that the girls in korea (not to mention everything else in the world) is 10x better in Seoul. But you've piqued my interest so please corroborate if you will.
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Urgh, what a night. I have to say i'm a little disappointed with my first 588 experience. I really thought that with a Korean guide I would be in... not to be. Let me take it back a little.
Me and my buddy (both white guys) started out in Shinchon hanging around the bars and clubs looking for some cuties. Not much happening there, so went to our favorite rock bar where they play old vinyls and the pitchers are cheap... rock on! So this was cool, although not successful. After some mingling and chatting, we both honed in on a couple of korean chicks who were pretty wasted and up for some action. Things were going well until another friend decided that there would be no action (I am so sick of chicks like this, but every hot korean seems to carry one around with them). Anyway, so that was a blowout. But we did meet a Korean guy who was totally wasted but who seemed charitable enough to want to give us a tour of the 588 RLD.
So after getting there, getting out and getting cash I was entirely ready to get it on. We go walking around through the grid of narrow streets and the guy is asking me, "you want this girl? you want that one?" I'm kinda picky so I take a while. They're all pretty damn hot though so I don't get too far before I find a damn hot chick and who has a body to die for. I walk up to her smiling, already imagining her riding me. But as soon as I get within 5 meters, she closes her little door in my face! Our new friend opens it up and talks to her in korean for a while, but it yields the same result. So for the next hour we proceeded to walk up and down the street asking each and every girl, even the ones I didn't want to bone. Now, I'm pretty resilient but there's only so much rejection a guy can take, especially when they are hookers that are rejecting you. Our new friend said that it was because they were scared of our dicks, but who knows.
Really thought that I'd be able to join the 588 club and report back on my success. Ah well, I really want to try Jang-An-Dong and will give that a shot later this weekend. I'm gonna practice Playthings "I want a rest" phrase and say it oh-so-coolly when I walk in there. Byung, thanks for the report on that place. I think I have found my new holy grail in Seoul.
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Hello all!
I am a long time viewer but just got my upgrade so I hope I will be able to contribute from time to time.
I currently live in Bucheon so I am always looking for new places to monger, especially at BS's. I have long since given up on Hooker Hill for the most part but occasionally go back to look up new and naive talent.
Just this past weekend I went to scout out a few places around Bucheon station. I live at Songnae station and decided to take the 20 minute walk to Bucheon to check out a few places along the way. I stopped by 2 BS near JungDong but they would not take foreigners. Oh well, their loss.
I stepped out of Bucheon station at the South side exit and hung a left towards the small RLD next to the station. About 25 meters or so there is a BS. You go down a long, concrete hallway (watch your head, the ceiling is low!), down a few steps and voila!. I asked how much and was quoted 80K. Whoa! too much I said and countered with 60K but was refused. The mamasan was adamant about the 80K.
I left, crossed the street at the market, and tried a BS next to a musical instrument shop. Went in, the woman was a little shocked to see a white guy but quoted 60K and I agreed. She was maybe mid 40's and a little shop-worn but seemed agreeable. Got onto the table, had a decent foot washing and then a half-assed massage for about 10 minutes. Not too bad but could have been better. Next, without warning, she ripped off my shorts (good sign) and bent over for a BBBJ. Before I knew it she was bobbing up and down like a jack hammer and making the most God-awful gagging noises I have ever heard. I thought she was in her final death throes. I told her to slow down and jerked her panties down (she did not stop me) and tried to get a little finger action but she immediately started complaining that it hurt. I was not even inserting my finger. She would not let me, and she continued to go at it like a jack hammer and telling me to hurry up and cum. Not even 2-3 minutes had lapsed! She began making those terrible gagging noises again and I finally told her to stop, got up and dressed, and high-tailed it out of there.
A terrible experience so stay away from there. So my question is this. Does anyone have any good BS experiences in or near Bucheon? The RLD appears to be off limits. Everytime I go by there the girls will not even look at me. I have found a few good An-ma's but for the money, a good BS cannot be beat. I enjoy Finkle but it takes nearly an hour and half for me to get there by subway and 2 hours by car.
So until then, happy mongering!
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The BBS's at Jang-An Dong, do they take foreigners with little or no hassle.
I did some BBS looking around my neighbourhood. Oh nelly, I saw some dregs. I hope these ones are hotties that screw for a cheap amount of money!