Oral Cancer threat for DATY

Research: Oral Sex Puts Men at Risk for Oral CancerApr 19, 2011 – 12:50 PM. READING THIS NOW.

Rates of oral cancer are on the rise among men, and researchers say the culprit isn't the devil you might think.

The rising rates of oral cancer aren't being caused by tobacco, experts say, but by HPV, the same sexually transmitted virus responsible for the vast majority of cases of cervical cancer in women.

Millions of women and girls have been vaccinated against HPV, or human papillomavirus, but doctors now say men exposed to the STD during oral sex are at risk as well and may have higher chances of developing oral cancer.

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An oral cancer screening is given at a free dental clinic in Brighton, Colo. The incidence of the disease is increasing among men who are exposed to the sexually transmitted virus HPV during oral sex. About 65 percent of oral cancer tumors were linked to HPV in 2007, according to the National Cancer Institute. And the uptick isn't occurring among tobacco smokers.

"We're looking at non-smokers who are predominantly white, upper middle class, college-educated men," Brian Hill, the executive director of the Oral Cancer Foundation, told AOL News by phone.

Tobacco use has declined over the past decade, but rates of HPV infections have risen and affect at least 50 percent of the sexually active American population, according to the Centers for Disease Control.

HPV-16, the strain of the virus that causes cervical cancer in women, has become the leading cause of oral cancer in non-smoking men, Hill said, citing research in the New England Journal of Medicine.

"When the No. 1 cause of your disease goes down [tobacco use], you would expect that the incidence of disease would go down, but that hasn't happened," he said."In our world, this is an epidemic."

Dr. Jennifer Grandis, the vice chairwoman for research at the University of Pittsburgh and an expert on head and neck cancers, said doctors have been seeing the HPV virus in most oral cancer tumors. She said the massive push to vaccinate girls and women between the ages of 11 and 26 against HPV should have included boys and men from the beginning. Gardasil, one of the two major vaccines used to prevent HPV, wasn't approved for use in males in the United States until 2009, three years after it was approved for women.

Sponsored Links"The thinking is changing," Grandis told AOL News in a phone interview."But at the time [the vaccine] was licensed, there wasn't such an awareness about head or oral cancers or a willingness to accept that males played a part in the transmission of the virus," she said."I think this idea that we only protect our daughters with the vaccine is nuts anyway, particularly because they're having sex with our boys."

Men have a greater chance of contracting the HPV virus from oral sex than women do from the same behavior, though researchers aren't exactly sure why. Oral cancer has a low survival rate because it is generally not discovered until it has spread to other areas, according to the CDC. Only half of people who've been diagnosed with oral cancer will live longer than five years.

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Sammon,

Interesting and disturbing report, since I am a veteran turf muncher. I wonder if gargling with mouthwash containing alcohol immediately after DATY help prevent cancer by killing or otherwise getting rid of the organisms that cause it? (This is a serious question.)

Word has it that the studies are flawed and that it is a ploy by Merck to sell more vaccine. Lots of discussions on other sites about this. I wouldn't be too worried if I were you.

You may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

[url]http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/oralcav.html[/url]

Here is the information on oral cancer.

[quote]It is estimated that 36, 540 men and women (25, 420 men and 11, 120 women) will be diagnosed with and 7, 880 men and women will die of cancer of the oral cavity and pharynx in 20101X Close.

Table I-1 ([url]http://seer.cancer.gov/csr/[/url] 1975_2007 / results_single / sect_01_table. 01. Pdf) [/quote]Of the most common types of cancer: [url]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/types/commoncancers[/url]

[quote]Cancer Type.
Estimated New Cases.
Estimated Deaths.

Bladder.
70, 530.
14, 680.

Breast (Female – Male)
207, 090 – 1, 970.
39, 840 – 390.

Colon and Rectal (Combined)
142, 570.
51, 370.

Endometrial.
43, 470.
7, 950.

Kidney (Renal Cell) Cancer.
53, 581.
11, 997.

Leukemia.
43, 050.
21, 840.

Lung (Including Bronchus)
222, 520.
157, 300.

Melanoma.
68, 130.
8, 700.

Non-Hodgkin Lymphoma.
65, 540.
20, 210.

Pancreatic.
43, 140.
36, 800.

Prostate.
217, 730.
32, 050.

Thyroid.
44, 670.
1, 690[/quote]What I see is this:

1. Even if ALL cases or oral cancer were caused by HPV, it is still not even in the top 12 types of cancer.

2. It actually says that 7880 people will die of oropharyngeal cancer. (And this does not take into account that a good chunk of those cancers are attributable to smoking.)

3. [url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20081557[/url] This talks about the rates of carcinogenic HPV among the general population. The figure given here is 3. 5%

4. HPV is a causative agent, but not 100% sure to cause cancer.

5. Given that "Nearly all sexually active Americans will come in contact with HPV, according to the Oral Cancer Foundation and the National Institutes of Health." ([url]http://oralcancernews.org/wp/hpv-is-now-the-leading-cause-of-oral-cancer-in-the-us-learn-the-facts/[/url]) , there is a very good chance that you will end up dead of something else. I can surmise that most mongers are smokers (for some reason, excessive sexual activity and cigarettes seem to go together). Should this really be on our top 50 list of things to worry about?

6. Quote: Patients with HPV – even the cancer-causing strain – may never develop cancer and may never transmit the virus to a partner.

The vast majority of individuals have immune systems that recognize the virus as a threat, and easily defeat it.

Doctors instead recommend vigilance. (from the same source as point 4).

[QUOTE=Lorenzo; 1147613]Sammon,

Interesting and disturbing report, since I am a veteran turf muncher. I wonder if gargling with mouthwash containing alcohol immediately after DATY help prevent cancer by killing or otherwise getting rid of the organisms that cause it? (This is a serious question.) [/QUOTE]One guy on the Colombia thread portrayed me as a freak for carrying a monger's douche bag with me. In it contains mouth wash and an anteseptic spray from Lima called "aseptil" (white body red lettering). I use those everytime after I eat. I don't think it eliminates a virus but I could see it helping with bacteria. Right?

Alcohol wipes are another invaluable tool to have on you. If you've never had a condom break you won't know what I mean but for those that do it offers some piece of mind.

I have been told that I am immune to HEP B. My doctor told me so and I've had the series of shots. Therefore I often prefer to eat butt rather than P. This could mean nothing but it makes me feel better and I prefer the taste!

Also worth mentioning is the lack of decent HPV information. I read something similar to what has been posted. There are tons of people with it and doctors IMHO don't really know what the affect will be on population in the future. Its the new trend I guess. Does anyone know why this virus is just making headlines recently? I can't keep up with all the ills in the world anymore. I try to focus on the good stuff.

No eating pussy no BBBJ no dfk. Gettig tired of all the no. What can I do these days that won't put me in the grave?

[QUOTE=Artisttyp; 1147638]One guy on the Colombia thread portrayed me as a freak for carrying a monger's douche bag with me. In it contains mouth wash and an anteseptic spray from Lima called "aseptil" (white body red lettering). I use those everytime after I eat. I don't think it eliminates a virus but I could see it helping with bacteria. Right?

Alcohol wipes are another invaluable tool to have on you. If you've never had a condom break you won't know what I mean but for those that do it offers some piece of mind.

I have been told that I am immune to HEP B. My doctor told me so and I've had the series of shots. Therefore I often prefer to eat butt rather than P. This could mean nothing but it makes me feel better and I prefer the taste!

Also worth mentioning is the lack of decent HPV information. I read something similar to what has been posted. There are tons of people with it and doctors IMHO don't really know what the affect will be on population in the future. Its the new trend I guess. Does anyone know why this virus is just making headlines recently? I can't keep up with all the ills in the world anymore. I try to focus on the good stuff.

No eating pussy no BBBJ no dfk. Gettig tired of all the no. What can I do these days that won't put me in the grave? [/QUOTE]The complete list of things that give you cancer (according to epidemiologists)

Acetaldehyde, acrylamide, acrylonitril, abortion, agent orange, alar, alcohol, air pollution, aldrin, alfatoxin, arsenic, arsine, asbestos, asphalt fumes, atrazine, AZT, baby food, barbequed meat, benzene, benzidine, benzopyrene, beryllium, beta-carotene, betel nuts, birth control pills, bottled water, bracken, bread, breasts, brooms, bus stations, calcium channel blockers, cadmium, candles, captan, carbon black, carbon tetrachloride, careers for women, casual sex, car fumes, celery, charred foods, cooked foods, chewing gum, Chinese food, Chinese herbal supplements, chips, chloramphenicol, chlordane, chlorinated camphene, chlorinated water, chlorodiphenyl, chloroform, cholesterol, low cholesterol, chromium, coal tar, coffee, coke ovens, crackers, creosote, cyclamates, dairy products, deodorants, depleted uranium, depression, dichloryacetylene, DDT, dieldrin, diesel exhaust, diet soda, dimethyl sulphate, dinitrotouluene, dioxin, dioxane, epichlorhydrin, ethyle acrilate, ethylene, ethilene dibromide, ethnic beliefs, ethylene dichloride, Ex-Lax, fat, fluoridation, flying, formaldehyde, free radicals, french fries, fruit, gasoline, genes, gingerbread, global warming, gluteraldehyde, granite, grilled meat, Gulf war, hair dyes, hamburgers, heliobacter pylori, hepatitis B virus, hexachlorbutadiene, hexachlorethane, high bone mass, hot tea, HPMA, HRT, hydrazine, hydrogen peroxide, incense, infertility, jewellery, Kepone, kissing, lack of exercise, laxatives, lead, left handedness, Lindane, Listerine, low fibre diet, magnetic fields, malonaldehyde, mammograms, manganese, marijuana, methyl bromide, methylene chloride, menopause, microwave ovens, milk hormones, mixed spices, mobile phones, MTBE, nickel, night lighting, night shifts, nitrates, not breast feeding, not having a twin, nuclear power plants, Nutrasweet, obesity, oestrogen, olestra, olive oil, orange juice, oxygenated gasoline, oyster sauce, ozone, ozone depletion, passive smoking, PCBs, peanuts, pesticides, pet birds, plastic IV bags, polio vaccine, potato crisps (chips) , power lines, proteins, Prozac, PVC, radio masts, radon, railway sleepers, red meat, Roundup, saccharin, salt, sausage, selenium, semiconductor plants, shellfish, sick buildings, soy sauce, stress, strontium, styrene, sulphuric acid, sun beds, sunlight, sunscreen, talc, tetrachloroethylene, testosterone, tight bras, toast, toasters, tobacco, tooth fillings, toothpaste (with fluoride or bleach) , train stations, trichloroethylene, under-arm shaving, unvented stoves, uranium, UV radiation, Vatican radio masts, vegetables, vinyl bromide, vinyl chloride, vinyl fluoride, vinyl toys, vitamins, vitreous fibres, wallpaper, weedkiller (2-4 D) , welding fumes, well water, weight gain, winter, wood dust, work, x-rays.

[QUOTE=Clandestine782; 1147636]You may be making a mountain out of a molehill.

[url]http://seer.cancer.gov/statfacts/html/oralcav.html[/url]

Here is the information on oral cancer.

Of the most common types of cancer:

[url]http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/types/commoncancers[/url]

What I see is this:

1. Even if ALL cases or oral cancer were caused by HPV, it is still not even in the top 12 types of cancer.

2. It actually says that 7880 people will die of oropharyngeal cancer. (And this does not take into account that a good chunk of those cancers are attributable to smoking.)

3.

[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20081557[/url]

This talks about the rates of carcinogenic HPV among the general population. The figure given here is 3. 5%

4. HPV is a causative agent, but not 100% sure to cause cancer.

5. Given that "Nearly all sexually active Americans will come in contact with HPV, according to the Oral Cancer Foundation and the National Institutes of Health." (

[url]http://oralcancernews.org/wp/hpv-is-now-the-leading-cause-of-oral-cancer-in-the-us-learn-the-facts/[/url]

) , there is a very good chance that you will end up dead of something else. I can surmise that most mongers are smokers (for some reason, excessive sexual activity and cigarettes seem to go together). Should this really be on our top 50 list of things to worry about?

6. Quote: Patients with HPV – even the cancer-causing strain – may never develop cancer and may never transmit the virus to a partner.

The vast majority of individuals have immune systems that recognize the virus as a threat, and easily defeat it.

Doctors instead recommend vigilance. (from the same source as point 4).[/QUOTE]My mother is 91 and has smoked 2 packs a day for 50 years. She has never had cancer. Lots of people who have oral sex will never develop cancers, apparently including those exposed to HPV. However, my wife recently attended a medical talk and an Ears, Nose and Throat surgeon estimated that 70% of all oral cancers are now believed due to HPV, and 100% of anal cancers are likewise caused. Each person has to make their own decision, but HPV can and is passed to men while wearing a condom (low on the uncovered penis or elsewhere on the groin) , so protected sex still has some risk. DATY with a WG is, in my view, crazy. However, to each his own.

Safe sex means no occasional sex, no prostitutes, no skin touch with unknown people. Safe sex means castity and handjobs. At last safe sex means no sex!

I read recently that oral cancers are bigger killers than cervical and testicular combined. Strange that they get nowhere near the publicity of either.

It is quite scary that DATY is now thought of by some as a bigger risk for oral cancer than smoking and drinking. I am seriously thinking of getting the jab, is it easy for me to get? Can you just walk into your doc and he will give it to you off-label?

Can you test for it beforehand too? For all I know, I might already have this particular strain of HPV.

I have been DATYing for years and in Thailand which is said to be a high risk. To date=nothing.

I think this is another BIG farce from our Big powerful Medical organisations to SCARE people.

Check this story out:

[url]http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/02/michael-douglas-throat-cancer-oral-sex_n_3375500.html?icid=maing-grid7[/url]

"There was a walnut-size tumor at the base of my tongue that no other doctor had seen."

How can you not notice a walnut size tumor in your mouth?

The ISG and sister USASG websites are over-run with this story right now. As I've said elsewhere, it was a slow news day, Guys, and the media had to misquote Michael Douglas to get a rousing story. And what tale is more 'hair raising' than 'DATY=throat cancer'?

Attached, please find a more enlightened perspective. As usual, there's a lot more to the story of the cancer causing HPV16 virus, and most of us are more likely to be hit by a car than contract it. As mongers, we ALL engage in sexual activities far more likely to lead to STD transmission than munching the carpet. It's the risk we take to 'play'.

[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/06/03/thanks-to-michael-douglas-it-s-a-great-day-for-dental-dams.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Cheat[/url]%20Sheet&utm_campaign=cheatsheet_afternoon&cid=newsletter%3Bemail%3Bcheatsheet_afternoon

[URL]http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/smartphone-dongle-detects-hiv-syphilis-in-15-minutes/1/417061.html[/URL]

I don't know when the commercial application would be available but boy-o-boy it would give all mongers a peace of mind.

Cheers,

MrA

As far as I know, HPV is most likely to cause vaginal and anal cancer. Penile and oral cancer from HPV are much less common.