The best place is River Palace. Not everyone is working at Arena at River Palace it's 99%
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The best place is River Palace. Not everyone is working at Arena at River Palace it's 99%
[QUOTE=Sharalumi]Will be visiting Kiev briefly on Thursday staying in the centre. Form what I understand Arena seems to be the current best place wher I can choose some young lady for the evening. Anyone care to meet up on Thursday?[/QUOTE]
I may be heading out of town for a few days on Thursday, but maybe not till Friday - not certain yet. If I'm in town, no problem meeting up.
CD is right - for a sure thing, River Palace is the place to go. Lots of hot, young girls - virtually all working. But prices aren't cheap - expect to pay minimum $150/hour, $300/night - and those are on the low end. Girls generally ask $300/hour, $500/night....and not all will negotiate lower.
PM me and I'll send you my contact info...
Street, it was my experience hot girls were asking $150/hr or $250-300 for the night. But of course the night being a subjective term. How much of the night is left at 2-3am...$500, insane - I think thats the girl's way of facing you.
If you are new to Kiev and only there for a short time River Palace is your only sure bet. If you want to spend $300 and can't get laid there its time to do some soul searching.
As I mentioned in past posts, when I first started going to RP you could see happy couples leaving all the time - any girl in the club $100-150, every once in a while you woud get a princess holding out for $200. Once again I noticed there were very few people actually closing the deal. I think RP is more of a lifestyle now for the girls and guys. A lot of the hot girls will have a sugar daddy, a local bf and doing the club p4p circuit. Very few semi pro's now it would seem, clubs like 112 are a slightly better place to find them.
Hello fellows,
I will be in Kiev from 14 oktober on. Possibly a week. Depends on the scene. Was there before couple of times and know places like River Palace.
Would be nice having a drink and go for the hunt with someone who reads this forum. By the way: I am from Holland. Greetings.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Street, it was my experience hot girls were asking $150/hr or $250-300 for the night. But of course the night being a subjective term. How much of the night is left at 2-3am...$500, insane - I think thats the girl's way of facing you.[/QUOTE]Cd, to be fair, I didn't actually negotiate prcing with many girls. My numbers are based on just a couple (though I chatted with many more). My numbers are based more on discussions with other guys who were there, who hit the place more often. I wasn't really looking to take a girl from there. As you know, if you're around Kiev enough, and speak Russian, there are girls, just as hot, for much more reasonable pricing. And much better attitudes to boot.
That said. With the girls I did talk to. It did seem some were strictly part-timers. They have normal jobs but claim, anyway, to hit RP only sparingly, to supplement their meager salaries. But then again, just by the looks of it, most of the girls there are hard core regulars.
[QUOTE=Cruiser D]Street, it was my experience hot girls were asking $150/hr or $250-300 for the night. But of course the night being a subjective term. How much of the night is left at 2-3am...$500, insane - I think thats the girl's way of facing you.
If you are new to Kiev and only there for a short time River Palace is your only sure bet. If you want to spend $300 and can't get laid there its time to do some soul searching.
As I mentioned in past posts, when I first started going to RP you could see happy couples leaving all the time - any girl in the club $100-150, every once in a while you woud get a princess holding out for $200. Once again I noticed there were very few people actually closing the deal. I think RP is more of a lifestyle now for the girls and guys. A lot of the hot girls will have a sugar daddy, a local bf and doing the club p4p circuit. Very few semi pro's now it would seem, clubs like 112 are a slightly better place to find them.[/QUOTE]
Cruiser,
You may be on to something. I am not a RP regular, but one vibe I often did get was that some girls really didn't seem to care if they got chosen or not. There was no "desperation" or "need" to score a night's work. This is of course bad for the monger.
Maybe some girls there simply don't need the money and instead of hanging out in a bar or cafe somewhere paying their own drinks or lounging around at home watching Fabrika on TV, they'd rather have some swarthy guys slobber all over them buying them overpriced cocktails.
In any case, you are right in your advice that unless you use the internet sites or go to a salon (which isn't easy for non-Russian speakers to navigate) your best bet is really River Palace.
I think for a newbie to realistically plan, he should expect to pay 30 Grv taxi there and 50 Grv back and about $60 at the club on drinks etc. + about $300 for the girl, who will stay about 4 hours. Of course everything can be less if the monger is clever, but since when is the newbie monger clever?
Oh yes, forgot to mention the most fun part about RP, but Dr. Skank picked up the slack...."getting there and away".
Getting There: Its not near any public transport, but any cabbie will know how to get there. From center, shouldn't be more than 30 grivens, as Dr. Skank points out. Firm negotiating and/or stopping a beater cab can get the job done for 20 to 25.
Getting Home: There are always cabs sitting out front. They collude. 50 Grivens, minimum. If you speak no Russian, I suspect they may even try to hit you up for more. Solution: Get the phone number of the cab that brought you there - call him when you are ready to leave - he'll come pick you up (that's if he's still awake at 3 am....).
The most fun is negotiating with all the cabs out front, going from one to another, listening to them insist on 50 grivens. Once you've haggled with the last cab, they figure they've got you. But wait! You've already called your cab to come pick you up! And here he is!
[QUOTE=Street Sleuth]Solution: Get the phone number of the cab that brought you there - call him when you are ready to leave - he'll come pick you up (that's if he's still awake at 3 am....).
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Often the girls will have a favorite cabby they can call as well and you can agree on a price with her.
[QUOTE=Street Sleuth]Oh yes, forgot to mention the most fun part about RP, but Dr. Skank picked up the slack...."getting there and away".
Getting There: Its not near any public transport, but any cabbie will know how to get there. From center, shouldn't be more than 30 grivens, as Dr. Skank points out. Firm negotiating and/or stopping a beater cab can get the job done for 20 to 25.
Getting Home: There are always cabs sitting out front. They collude. 50 Grivens, minimum. If you speak no Russian, I suspect they may even try to hit you up for more. Solution: Get the phone number of the cab that brought you there - call him when you are ready to leave - he'll come pick you up (that's if he's still awake at 3 am....).
The most fun is negotiating with all the cabs out front, going from one to another, listening to them insist on 50 grivens. Once you've haggled with the last cab, they figure they've got you. But wait! You've already called your cab to come pick you up! And here he is![/QUOTE]
Some taxi cabs are even asking for 100 grivnas... and then go down to 50...
In getting there might that you have the Dnipro Metro station, just on the bridge, but then you have to cross the road along the river a little trick, just 100 meters but dangerous, and then there is no mentro in the night!
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Yeah, RP isn't near any public transportation unless you count the Dnipro metro station across the street. :) Anyone know if any short buses run to RP? I bet you could make a fortune charging 10uah pp from Bessarabska and Maydan running on the hour - of course you'd be found floating in the Dnipro about a week later when the taxi mafia catches up to you.
The good Doctor is right 30uah to RP and 50uah from RP is current normal pricing. If you are a taxi king such as myself you can easily get 20 and 30. I went to RP three times last trip, my druges pay for the taxi there - it's never my idea to go to RP and I paid for it back - 30uah - one girl had a car and 50uah (A Kiev newbie from ISG wanted to get home ASAP with his date). Me no speaka the Russki, but I do know how to walk to the curb and find a cheaper cab. I've had drivers actually quote me 100uah or more - 100uah is the current taxi service rate to go to Borispol, which I pointed out to them. They counted with RP is a high class club. I counted with, while laughing no RP is not. Arena, Decadance, Tsar are, RP is so so club.
I am fairly sure on my pricing of the girls Street. I hang with a group of sexpats who the staff at RP know by name. When a girl says $300/hr or $500/night she is really saying, no I really don't want to fuck you (for whatever reason) but if you are stupid enough to pay that I'll spread my legs for you - can you feel the love? :)
Dr, it's been my experience that only newer pro's have a favorite cabbie. I picked up a semi pro gem at 112 last winter - or I should say she picked me up. She was on me within 15 minutes of me being in 112. She was fantastic ($100) and had a cabbie she used to use all the time. This trip she had put on a kilo or two (too much club food and drinks), didn't do BBBJCIM with me anymore but she still liked to get sprayed. She wanted to leave after 90 minutes - it was late/early around 5-6ish and keep hitting me up for more money over the $100 - I gave her 30uah for a taxi. She sms'ed me a few times after that to meet. I alway replied with sure, if you want to have sex for free. Oh yeah my point, not only had she lost any shred of innocence she had but she had also ditched her 'favorite' taxi driver. Who she (they) might be paying to hang around outside in case anything happens. Kiev girls are a lot of things but stupid genereally isn't one of them, greedy (the proper usage of the term, not the stupid Russian bimbo use of the term when they mean to say 'cheap', of course the ironic part being they are the ones generally being greedy) generally is. :)
metro to rp - not worth bothering, as cabs can be grabbed relatively cheaply in the center, and i'm not into shooting across ukrainian high-speed traffic, if i can avoid it.
metro from rp - not open.
cd - yes, i get it. you are amazing, and the rest of us are worthless. it comes through in your posts often enough. in fact, when you go outside, you snap your fingers, and a harem of women drop to their knees, "please, cd, please can we smoke your johnson....". when cabs stop for you, they say, "normally, i'd charge you 30 griven, but because you are so hot, you make me gay, so i'll only charge 20."
CD,
Looks like you were wrong about the Mark D guy. He went and posted a list of all kinds of sites....some of which I could vouge for.
Are you going to apologize to him, or are you just going to continue to try and run every new poster off the boards, so you can keep your tight little junior-high-school girl clique?
Actually Street what makes it all the more worse is you speak Russian and I don't. I usually start a conversation with privet dyevushka! kak dela? and then follow it up with a quick, I hope you speak English because that is all the Russian I know -it's quite the ice breaker, but once again I'll give most of the credit to my tie. My luck with the ladies in Kiev and sometime unluck with them has been noted by many ISG members in person, I don't have anything to prove. Sometimes I do get into a war of words online but that is generally due to someone misrepresenting or misinforming. Things like - there is no public transportation to RP - when there is indeed a metro station 100m across the street, at an intersection where there is quite a few traffic lights.
Traffic in Kiev has gotten so bad it usually better to take the metro during peak hours and at least get out of the ring of traffic before catching a cab. Would I take the metro instead of a cab to go to RP, no. RP is never a first choice of mine but I can be easily talked into it because I always have fun there. I can't remember the last RP girl I took home - maybe just before Eurovision in 05. The only thing sadder then waiting for the 5am bargin at RP is waiting for the metro to open at 6am. :)
Bottom line is your assement of RP is flawed. It may be what you personally experienced. What I base my experience on is my own - 9 trips to Kiev averaging about 5 weeks per trip. And the experience of some sexpat buddies who live in Kiev at least half the year and are heavy vistors to RP - I wonder if there is a RP anonmous group. :).
As far as Mark D making two brief posting saying how great this one website is and two girls in particular I'll stay with my first impression that he is a shill. There are some user here who information rings true and I have told many to turn to for advice - Dr S, Uke Boy, Irish Lad, 109 - all of whom I hope to see again this winter. Am I an expert on Kiev? I think so, and so do the people who ask me for directions in Russian during the weekend. ;)
Sleuth,
Like Cruiser, I make no apologies about my comments to Mark D's posts. Why? Very simple.
There have been many posts by actual shills for the agencies here who started off exactly as Mark D did. They were rightly attacked and they also defended their postings but they were shills and employees of those agencies. Do we need them here? No.
Also, Mark D's list of sites can fully be found in many posts in this forum. He gives us nothing new except a list that you may not have to search through more than a few posts to compile. In fact, I can add a few more but it would be senseless since it would be the same girls and the same fake photos.
As for RP, I have not been there in years. No need.
As a fluent Russian speaker there are literally millions of ladies out there who speak no English and who are available, all ages sizes and types. I have had many misses but the hits have also been more than I can even handle at times. And almost always it has been in local places and at local events. And this, Cruiser, as you know, is someone in the 50+ category and hirsute challenged! Yet my success rate would make many much younger men jealous to no end.
You heard it, straight from the horse's mouth!
UB knows what he's talking about.
I vouch for him.
Bez just can't pa ruski to read and write or figure out what anyone is saying on the phone, so its not as easy for the Bez, but they understand me enough to keep me coming back for more. Bez gets by.